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| 00:58.09 | The_Hand_of_Mike | I suppose the wiser question is âWhat should be the format of my report?â What info would be helpful? |
| 00:58.26 | The_Hand_of_Mike | the above came directly from the crash report, which is the OSX window that replaces the app |
| 00:58.41 | The_Hand_of_Mike | but I can pull stuff from system.log or kernel.log or anywhere else youâd like |
| 00:59.08 | The_Hand_of_Mike | I repviously mentioned the Audio Units error it spews |
| 00:59.23 | The_Hand_of_Mike | but I donât mean to flood IRC with this stuff, Iâm just venting a little |
| 01:12.13 | macsforme | The_Hand_of_Mike: if you click "report" (or whatever it is), you should get the full error message... don't actually report it, but if you copy that information and provide it to us that would be helpful |
| 01:15.36 | The_Hand_of_Mike | itâs a LOT of info |
| 01:15.53 | The_Hand_of_Mike | (itâs gone now, too: your choices are Report and OK) |
| 01:16.08 | macsforme | ~pastebin |
| 01:16.08 | infobot | from memory, pastebin is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 01:17.01 | macsforme | if the crashing is a "habit" then perhaps it will happen again soon |
| 01:38.40 | The_Hand_of_Mike | OK, I have 2 more saved. Who wants them? |
| 01:38.51 | The_Hand_of_Mike | pastebin? Really? |
| 01:39.26 | macsforme | just pastebin them and share the link in here |
| 01:40.53 | The_Hand_of_Mike | ok |
| 01:42.34 | The_Hand_of_Mike | 5:20 crash http://pastebin.com/dErp4hJ8 |
| 01:43.05 | The_Hand_of_Mike | 5:23 http://pastebin.com/KbRp551B |
| 01:43.58 | The_Hand_of_Mike | if it would help, let me know what other logs / data I can give |
| 01:44.07 | macsforme | what map were you on? |
| 01:44.12 | The_Hand_of_Mike | BTW, this is ONLY since 2.4.8, I never had a lick of trouble on this machine with 2.4.6 |
| 01:44.32 | The_Hand_of_Mike | 5:20 was QuickShot 5:23 was Apoc |
| 01:45.28 | The_Hand_of_Mike | oh 1 more thing |
| 01:45.57 | The_Hand_of_Mike | when I first installed 2.4.8, I was running 10.11.5, sometime int he last cpouple weeks it upgraded to 10.11.6 |
| 01:46.17 | The_Hand_of_Mike | I am 90% sure it crashed under 10.11.5 as well |
| 01:46.28 | The_Hand_of_Mike | 2.4.6, however, did not crash under 10.11.5 that I recall |
| 01:47.26 | macsforme | are you doing anything specific when it crashes, or is it always at a random time? |
| 01:47.32 | The_Hand_of_Mike | seems random |
| 01:47.46 | The_Hand_of_Mike | no big jobs otherwise, if thatâs what youâre aksing |
| 01:48.10 | The_Hand_of_Mike | no audio ripping, no downloading, no streaming, no FEA or CFL or BigData or any of that |
| 01:48.49 | The_Hand_of_Mike | not even Officeâ¦Firefox and SOMETIMES iTunes are all I run while tanking; lag possibilities otherwise |
| 01:49.15 | macsforme | I meant doing anything specific in the game, like joining, driving around, changing menus, etc. |
| 01:49.23 | The_Hand_of_Mike | O. |
| 01:49.32 | The_Hand_of_Mike | no, sorry, just the usuall Mike being Mike |
| 01:50.04 | macsforme | playing or observing? |
| 01:50.12 | The_Hand_of_Mike | playing (good question) |
| 01:52.05 | macsforme | your second crash appears to be deep inside of operating system code... probably not much we can do about that |
| 01:52.54 | macsforme | I think I may have had a crash like your first one, but just once |
| 01:54.14 | macsforme | that one is tough |
| 02:13.07 | blast007 | macsforme: depends if it's accurate or not. memory corruption that our code causes could make it look like it's crashing somewhere deep in OS code, right? |
| 02:14.46 | macsforme | true, and the first one does look like there is some corruption |
| 02:15.09 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Iâm not blaming anything |
| 02:15.24 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Iâm just the combat photographer, not the analyst |
| 02:16.13 | macsforme | The_Hand_of_Mike: you are positive this does not occur in 2.4.6? |
| 02:16.25 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Positive. |
| 02:17.40 | The_Hand_of_Mike | Other bizarre 2.4.8 behaviour includes: random flag dropping; ocassional followup-shots missing (esp visible in Ducati); laser too effective against N and T |
| 02:18.21 | macsforme | that time it crashed on quickshot, was that the first server you joined after starting the client? |
| 02:18.27 | The_Hand_of_Mike | laser issue: I have shot and been shot at (there are 4 of us that play on a copymap) and the T and N holders can be literally 2 tanks away and still get hit drom laser |
| 02:18.37 | The_Hand_of_Mike | it was, actually, yeah |
| 02:18.42 | allejo | not it. i barely touched the 2.4.8 release |
| 02:18.57 | The_Hand_of_Mike | yes, allejo, but you did not bring me fondue. |
| 02:22.39 | blast007 | there are *barely* any code changes in 2.4.8 that should affect the client |
| 02:23.16 | blast007 | macsforme: did the version of SDL2 differ between 2.4.6 and 2.4.8? |
| 02:24.22 | macsforme | I don't think so... I don't think I've messed with that in some time |
| 02:25.42 | blast007 | k |
| 02:26.05 | blast007 | wasn't sure if it was still the 2.0.3 mercurial bleeding edge version |
| 02:27.16 | macsforme | no, the last few releases have used the official SDL 2.0.4 framework iirc |
| 02:27.53 | blast007 | last few would be all of them this year. was thinking at least 2.4.4 was pushed before 2.0.4 was released, but maybe not |
| 02:28.08 | blast007 | I wasn't yet using SDL2, so I wasn't paying close attention ;) |
| 02:30.36 | macsforme | incidentally, there is SDL 2.0.5 now, but with their track record of breaking stuff on mac I'm not in a rush to go through the trouble of testing it |
| 02:31.25 | blast007 | that's what users are for ;D |
| 02:31.35 | blast007 | ducks |
| 02:31.36 | The_Hand_of_Mike | ACK |
| 02:32.19 | blast007 | so what else do we want in 2.4.10? can we release that next weekend? |
| 02:32.38 | blast007 | s/next/this upcoming/ |
| 02:50.57 | the_map | well, first all, we still need to get mike some fondue |
| 02:51.10 | the_map | *first of all |
| 02:59.04 | The_Hand_of_Mike | yes please |
| 02:59.10 | The_Hand_of_Mike | or BBQ |
| 02:59.20 | The_Hand_of_Mike | comfort food, in any case |
| 02:59.51 | Zehra | hmm |
| 03:00.09 | Zehra | i'm really wondering what the release will be named :) |
| 03:00.55 | Zehra | BZFlag 2.4.10 "fill in the blank" ;) |
| 03:11.40 | The_Hand_of_Mike | 2.4.10: To Fortune! |
| 03:11.48 | The_Hand_of_Mike | or just Fortune |
| 03:13.43 | Zehra | "final countdown" |
| 03:14.21 | blast007 | "nine eight..." |
| 03:22.27 | the_map | binary |
| 03:23.11 | allejo | "two" |
| 04:01.43 | macsforme | so this is roughly a compilation of the config.h in MSVC/build/, the config.h in Xcode, and the config.h generated automatically by gnu make on Ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/4EfM2YM7 |
| 04:05.40 | macsforme | a future step will be to grep through our code for those macros and see how many are actually in use and/or necessary |
| 04:07.42 | macsforme | my best guess is that if we require modern compilers in general (which we do, for c++11), many of those HAVE_x macros could be eliminated |
| 04:14.53 | macsforme | to reiterate, I would really like to nail down which operating systems (and versions thereof) we want to actively support going forward, and whether it is necessary to support the graphical client on each (specifically solaris and bsd), so we can eliminate some of our old cruft |
| 04:16.07 | macsforme | all I've heard is from BulletCatcher, who suggested windows, mac, linux, solaris, and bsd (iirc) |
| 04:24.50 | BulletCatcher | I don't think any developers do testing on BSD systems, but we got a minor configure patch for improved BSD support a mere 4 years ago so perhaps it just works there. |
| 05:35.07 | The_Hand_of_Mike | doesnât linux require a split-discipline? |
| 05:35.47 | The_Hand_of_Mike | either way, Win, Mac, Lin should cover 90% of players, yes? |
| 10:57.49 | blast007 | The_Hand_of_Mike: more like 99.5% |
| 11:01.52 | blast007 | as of Oct 11 2013, based on either list server hits or my own join database (I forget which) <+blast007> latest unique IP/bzid counts: Windows: 5765/619, OS X - 2101/275, Linux - 2938/264, FreeBSD - 6/2, OpenBSD - 3/2, Solaris - 1/1, Android - 4/3 |
| 14:13.30 | macsforme | android?! |
| 14:14.06 | blast007 | think it was some chat-only client |
| 14:14.29 | macsforme | ah |
| 14:15.11 | blast007 | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20131011.html.gz |
| 14:18.08 | macsforme | some more recent numbers would be interesting (okay... mostly I am curious about my embedded port usage) |
| 14:20.55 | macsforme | as far as BSD support, seems like most (all?) mainstream BSD distributions have SDL (not sure how new it is on each), so keeping support for those platforms may not require much work assuming SDL is functional on those platforms |
| 14:31.38 | blast007 | http://ports.su/devel/sdl2 https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=sdl2&stype=all&sektion=devel |
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| 21:08.54 | JeffM | anyone know how MsgTimeUpdate and MsgScoreOver work together? |
| 21:31.24 | JeffM | also, am I correct in seeing that when a resource is fetched from the interwebs, all that is used is the file name, not the server. so if two servers had mypic.png you'd only ever get one of them? |
| 21:58.31 | blast007 | JeffM: where are you seeing that abour online resource files? maps use the full URL as does the CacheIndex.txt and the actual cache locations are based on the URL segments. |
| 21:59.11 | JeffM | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/On4gwTIK/ |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM | maybe it doesn't use that filepath when it actually saves |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM | or maybe I'm reading it wrong |
| 22:00.14 | JeffM | I can't debug |
| 22:10.04 | blast007 | MsgFetchResources doesn't seem to get sent to the clients by anything except the bz_sentFetchResMessage, which isn't called by anything in our project |
| 22:10.58 | JeffM | sweet |
| 22:10.59 | blast007 | (the function should probably be called bz_sendFetchResMessage) |
| 22:11.16 | JeffM | or be removed entirely :) |
| 22:11.24 | The_Hand_of_Mike | JeffM: wouldnât that introduce the option of contaminated images? |
| 22:11.52 | JeffM | The_Hand_of_Mike: hence my concern |
| 22:12.03 | The_Hand_of_Mike | just reinforcing |
| 22:12.14 | JeffM | but if it's not used for map images then I don't care |
| 22:19.35 | blast007 | it's apparently used for nothing |
| 22:21.31 | blast007 | I imagine it was maybe for the remote sound effects? maybe? |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM | I think it was used by the custom sound plugin to force people to download sounds |
| 22:21.53 | blast007 | just a bit flawed in implementation |
| 22:22.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:22.07 | JeffM | in more than one way |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM | I'll just add it to the list of messages the unit test logs, but are ignored everywhere else |