| 00:00.24 | macsforme | I didn't consider binding forward/backward to a different stick than right/left... I think you could do that already, although using one stick would seem more natural |
| 00:01.12 | macsforme | the slower movement isn't a huge disadvantage, but it is significant enough to be noticed |
| 00:01.18 | blast007 | and I did see a different on the joystick properties screen for my Saitek vs my Xbox One controllers |
| 00:01.23 | blast007 | difference* |
| 00:02.23 | blast007 | so, I'm still curious how most games would handle this |
| 00:03.09 | macsforme | like JeffM said, I don't think most games have movement like ours |
| 00:03.33 | blast007 | that doesn't explain it though |
| 00:03.45 | blast007 | even when it's controlling two of the same types of movement (like, walking a character around) there would be a difference between the two controllers |
| 00:04.06 | blast007 | would I be able to walk diagonally faster with my Saitek? |
| 00:04.45 | JeffM | blast007: no, code usualy scales the speed |
| 00:04.54 | blast007 | relative to what? |
| 00:05.15 | macsforme | I would imagine your overall movement vector is clamped... you wouldn't have the problem of people with other controllers being able to exceed that |
| 00:05.16 | JeffM | the length of the comptuted vector |
| 00:05.26 | JeffM | so you take your X and Y values, and normalize the vector |
| 00:05.31 | macsforme | I'm not sure what would be easier... just multiplying the factors by sqrt(2) and clamping them (so you lose some sensitivity at the extents), or do some weird math to map the circle onto a square |
| 00:05.39 | JeffM | with a gamepad, that normalization ends up being the same value as what you got in |
| 00:05.47 | JeffM | with a square stick, it fixes it |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM | macsforme: it's not odd math, it's just vector normalization |
| 00:06.29 | macsforme | yeah you just helped me realize that :) |
| 00:06.40 | blast007 | so with a square stick, does it just reach the 100% speed at the 70% position? |
| 00:06.53 | JeffM | depends how you do it |
| 00:07.01 | JeffM | or what you want out of it |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM | I mean you can have the same issue with keys, if you use them as "Axes" |
| 00:07.53 | JeffM | and I bet some games do just let the curve be odd |
| 00:08.16 | JeffM | it probalby "Feels right" since the stick is the same distance from center as it is when it's full vertical or full horizontal |
| 00:10.06 | JeffM | I recall the windows joystick configuration tool asking "Move your axes in a circle" maybe it helped it calibrarate for that |
| 00:14.04 | JeffM | guuuuuuuhhhh.. stupid lights on the saitek draw too much power over USB and cause the throttle to report ghost button presses.... |
| 00:15.09 | JeffM | because acording to matcatz... everything needs color changing LEDs |
| 00:19.35 | macsforme | so we could just add a switch to map x and y to a square, and that should do it, right? |
| 00:20.03 | macsforme | in SDL, at least, the x and y values are processed in the same function |
| 00:20.34 | JeffM | I still don't htink they should be mapped to the same stick by default |
| 00:21.19 | macsforme | I think it defaults to the first two axes |
| 00:21.34 | JeffM | probably |
| 00:21.34 | macsforme | some controllers/joysticks don't have more than that |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM | does it get the names of them? |
| 00:22.05 | macsforme | just 0 and 1 on mine |
| 00:22.18 | JeffM | that makes it quite hard to detect stuff |
| 00:23.53 | macsforme | SDL appears to just handle the joystick by an integer ID (although I believe you can get more info about it with other functions) |
| 00:24.25 | JeffM | there does seem to be that game controller API, does it replace the joystick API? |
| 00:24.36 | JeffM | it had more stuff for settting up controler mapings |
| 00:27.24 | macsforme | I haven't really messed with it much |
| 00:28.34 | blast007 | on Windows it's X, Y, Z, Rz - beyond that I'm not sure |
| 00:31.42 | blast007 | JeffM: and note that I'm using a Saitek gamepad, not a stick |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM | ahh... so wicked old :) |
| 00:34.03 | JeffM | clearly this is the best bzflag controller...http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/farmsim.html |
| 00:34.13 | blast007 | an old P2500 rumble, and I also have 3 P2600's that are mostly the same, but I think they may have 4 buttons on top instead of 2, and they swap out a 'mouse emulator' for the 'digital toggle' |
| 00:34.53 | blast007 | haha, that may actually have enough buttons to map all our controls :P |
| 00:35.33 | blast007 | probably enough left over that you could have some quick keys for sending 'lol' and 'I meant to do that' quick keys |
| 00:36.21 | JeffM | use the dpads on the wheel for that |
| 00:37.42 | JeffM | I would love the MUD part, but with out the stick, and just a shelf to put the HOTAS stick on |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM | having a bunch of buttons in front of the stick would be sweet |
| 00:38.14 | JeffM | that and places to put labels |
| 00:40.03 | macsforme | is there any good reason to have a dead zone for a joystick? after playing with it for a while I just found that it was very difficult to make precise movements |
| 00:40.21 | JeffM | if your joystick has any drift |
| 00:40.38 | JeffM | so like hands off it's not 100% center, you'd sloooowwwly drift left or right |
| 00:40.52 | JeffM | setting a dead zone can help that |
| 00:45.55 | blast007 | does SDL set a deadzone? |
| 00:46.14 | blast007 | with Windows I can generally do that in the joystick properties |
| 01:07.24 | macsforme | it does, I believe |
| 01:07.40 | macsforme | or rather, our SDL handling code does |
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| 02:22.11 | macsforme | my gamepad consistently reads 0,0 at the origin |
| 02:22.34 | macsforme | game controller, rather... it's a steelseries nimbus |
| 02:23.29 | macsforme | it looks like there's a small dead zone built in |
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| 03:10.27 | macsforme | okay, maybe not completely consistently |
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| 04:56.25 | JeffM | it can get worse as they get older |
| 04:56.53 | JeffM | it's less apperant on gamepads style sticks, more on larger sticks with more mechanical bits and bobs |
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| 07:07.52 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15allejo closed pull request #70: ADD API access to handicap system (062.4...062.4_handiman_api) 02https://git.io/vDCBf |
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| 07:09.28 | allejo | doesn't seem like there's a demand for it. if anyone wants that functionality then i'll reopen/clean it up |
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| 12:38.50 | BZnotify | [13bzflag.org] 15blast007 pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vDHcJ |
| 12:38.50 | BZnotify | 13bzflag.org/06master 1479bce03 15Scott Wichser: Document the game modes and add a note that servers can limit or disable teams. |
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| 12:39.04 | blast007 | if someone wants to document how to install the game on macOS, that'd be appreciated |
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| 16:02.20 | allejo | Drag + drop to Applications folder? Or `brew cask install bzflag`? |
| 16:47.56 | JeffM | allejo: it would be needed buy the proposed plug-in to make rabits faster. I would not expect that API to be used by a server that currently uses handicap, I would expect it to be used by a server that runs a plugin that knows it needs to use handicap to alter tank paramaters. |
| 16:48.45 | JeffM | the current default method of setting handicap by score is lame and nobody uses it, but once you can set it using plug-in defined arbitary code, it becomes much more useful |
| 16:49.08 | JeffM | wanna make a guy who just got a kill streak slower? set his handicap |
| 16:49.28 | JeffM | wanna make a guy who just joined better, set his handicap |
| 16:52.47 | JeffM | I don't care if it gets added or not, I just want to make sure the intention is understood |
| 16:53.40 | JeffM | It's not to enhance current handicap servers it's to allow new functionality that just happens to use handicap as a way to affect players |
| 16:54.29 | JeffM | Since that is the only in protocol way of changing attributes of specific tanks |
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