| 00:05.45 | kierra | Howdy |
| 00:07.24 | sk8 | jeffm how can I PM you on here |
| 00:13.59 | sk8 | Yes it will be a tedious process, but computer security is really cool. |
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| 00:22.14 | *** topic/#bzflag is BZFlag has been acquired by Facebook VR Group Oculus VR! http://bzflag.org/news || http://BZFlag.org || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || http://bzflag.org/help || Channel Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.10 released! https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19401 |
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| 00:36.32 | TheRedBaron | Ok, so |
| 00:36.46 | TheRedBaron | what dirt did you guys have on Tim, or what was the final offer? |
| 00:37.40 | TheRedBaron | that and, Hi guys |
| 00:39.09 | blast007 | the press release on the site has the information we're allowed to share at this time |
| 00:39.28 | TheRedBaron | aw blast007, you're no fun |
| 00:40.33 | TheRedBaron | well, Congratulations are in order. Permission to pour a glass of the good scotch? |
| 00:41.58 | Zehra | hi TheRedBaron |
| 00:42.04 | blast007 | thanks. we're excited to see where this takes us. |
| 00:42.12 | TheRedBaron | Zehra: evening |
| 00:42.51 | Zehra | :) |
| 00:44.23 | TheRedBaron | Zehra: not being rude, do I know you under a different alias? |
| 00:45.17 | Zehra | probably |
| 00:45.35 | TheRedBaron | blast007: can you at least give me a CIA esque answer? |
| 00:45.56 | TheRedBaron | blast007: specifically to this: http://www.bash.org/?737124 |
| 00:46.13 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" ? |
| 00:46.29 | TheRedBaron | blast007: I was hoping for more a confirm/deny |
| 00:47.10 | TheRedBaron | Zehra: don't be a tease now, reveal thyself |
| 00:47.40 | blast007 | they used to use the name Flak18 |
| 00:48.07 | Zehra | i used Silverline |
| 00:48.16 | Zehra | i'm not sure who flak was or is |
| 00:48.20 | Zehra | =P |
| 00:48.27 | blast007 | sure, sure |
| 00:52.12 | TheRedBaron | blast007: Other than the press release, you under a full NDR? can bar-room convo/questions be answered? |
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| 00:55.46 | blast007 | I really can't go into much more detail than what is there, sorry. |
| 00:56.12 | TheRedBaron | understandably |
| 00:56.47 | blast007 | lawyers and contracts are "fun" :) |
| 00:57.33 | TheRedBaron | oh god i know |
| 00:57.43 | TheRedBaron | My baby sister just passed the bar last year |
| 00:58.33 | TheRedBaron | what used to be simple questions, aren't |
| 01:00.37 | TheRedBaron | And speaking of which. Can bzflag, as of march 30th, continue to exist? Doesn't the GPL cover that? |
| 01:03.52 | blast007 | the code that has already been released as LGPL will remain that way |
| 01:04.34 | TheRedBaron | blast007: understood. thats what I figured. Thanks |
| 01:04.56 | the_map | will the current version continue to exist once the VR version is implemented? |
| 01:04.58 | blast007 | (though the last release is actually dual licensed LGPL 2.1 and MPL 2.0) |
| 01:07.09 | blast007 | the_map: if you're meaning if the game will continue to function after a certain time, *maybe* |
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| 01:07.56 | the_map | the news page also said that the login system is switching to facebook; will there be no other way to login? |
| 01:08.00 | blast007 | the existing versions will not work with the current global auth once we finish migrating to Facebook logins. |
| 01:08.34 | the_map | so, if I understand correctly, a facebook account will be required to play bzflag? |
| 01:08.39 | blast007 | we may be able to release a version of 2.4 that works with the new login system (or it may need to be a 2.6) |
| 01:10.54 | JeffM | My team won't have the transforming tanks until 2.7 |
| 01:13.38 | TheRedBaron | So auth domains were part of the sale. |
| 01:14.38 | TheRedBaron | understandably, current vers won't work with new auth. anyway to keep old auth, or at least back port the data to new auth domain? |
| 01:16.42 | blast007 | well, there is a separate Oculus platform SDK that has the pieces we'll use for the game itself. (Which does stuff like identity, friends list, social interactions, etc) |
| 01:16.59 | blast007 | it'll be a bit of a bumpy ride for some of it |
| 01:18.10 | the_map | if it's ok I ask, will a facebook account be required for auth in the future? |
| 01:18.39 | blast007 | for some of the the websites at least, yeah |
| 01:18.42 | blast007 | for the game, maybe |
| 01:18.46 | JeffM | probably |
| 01:18.54 | the_map | D: |
| 01:18.55 | JeffM | no reason to keep two auth systems f |
| 01:19.03 | Zehra | thinks they won't be able to edit the wiki after this |
| 01:19.03 | JeffM | specialy for the ike 30 playrs that use the old one |
| 01:19.14 | JeffM | it'll get turned into a group page probably |
| 01:19.26 | blast007 | you'll need to have *some* kind of account with Facebook, whether with Facebook.com or an Oculus account |
| 01:19.37 | TheRedBaron | but the existing group pages! (don't laugh they do exist) |
| 01:19.42 | TheRedBaron | (yes, i'm using humor) |
| 01:20.02 | JeffM | oh I'm sure that will be suborned |
| 01:20.33 | blast007 | it's going to be a very different ecosystem |
| 01:20.50 | JeffM | once it gets unified it'll be less confusing, more standarized |
| 01:21.02 | blast007 | game servers will not be run players, for instance |
| 01:21.30 | JeffM | indeed, they really liked the cloud based design I had |
| 01:21.30 | blast007 | so there won't be a need for the global groups |
| 01:22.08 | JeffM | Suni thinks she can teach the facebook news bots to admin game servers |
| 01:22.17 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:22.33 | JeffM | I mean they do already know all the bad words |
| 01:22.57 | TheRedBaron | has anyone told trepan? |
| 01:23.47 | JeffM | he was not responsive to the coprygithg rewuest so we will be pullig all his code |
| 01:24.57 | TheRedBaron | Its trivial, but morbid curiosity |
| 01:25.13 | TheRedBaron | how much code will have to be pulled due to non responsive devs? |
| 01:25.13 | JeffM | he wasn't offered a job though |
| 01:25.20 | JeffM | most engine stuff is in UT anyway |
| 01:25.25 | JeffM | not much |
| 01:25.44 | JeffM | honestly 99% of it will be scrapped |
| 01:25.57 | blast007 | we'll save the maths |
| 01:26.10 | JeffM | ehhhhh |
| 01:26.21 | blast007 | okay, okay, they'll both have numbers |
| 01:26.30 | JeffM | ehhhhhh |
| 01:26.59 | blast007 | fine, switching to letters |
| 01:27.19 | JeffM | that one guy wanted to do it all in webGL |
| 01:27.29 | TheRedBaron | sorry, I have to use a lawyer term, because I annoyed the younger sister after reading OpenSSL is moving to apache 2.0. They didn't want to employ estoppel by acquiescence ? |
| 01:28.00 | JeffM | I dunno, that was someone else's job |
| 01:28.11 | JeffM | I just saw the job offer and signing bonus |
| 01:30.36 | JeffM | Packing sucks https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RynCBSuW/1491010227.JPG |
| 01:32.02 | Zehra | it sure does =P |
| 01:35.25 | TheRedBaron | Well again, congrats. And holy crap, would have never imagined it |
| 01:36.34 | TheRedBaron | Got a lot of fond memories of bzflag. Quite a few of them translate to RL friendships that persist to this day |
| 01:37.24 | kierra | And in laws! |
| 01:38.12 | macsforme | sees dark times ahead for alpha1 |
| 01:38.48 | Zehra | sees the same thing that macsforme sees |
| 01:38.50 | JeffM | pfffft that was coming anyway |
| 01:38.57 | blast007 | was he the one who didn't want to make a github account? |
| 01:39.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:39.20 | Zehra | he didn't even want to register for IRC too =P |
| 01:39.25 | blast007 | but he probably won't buy a headset anyway |
| 01:40.39 | JeffM | or a windows machine |
| 01:40.55 | JeffM | or a graphics card that can handle it |
| 01:41.03 | JeffM | intel graphics are right out |
| 01:41.24 | JeffM | 2 gig cards or nothin |
| 01:41.37 | blast007 | I'm hopeful for a Linux SDK soon-ish |
| 01:41.55 | blast007 | the drivers are getting better there, which I think was the limiting factor |
| 01:42.07 | JeffM | I'd not hold your breath |
| 01:42.29 | macsforme | and then someday Apple may start making computers that "don't suck" |
| 01:42.29 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: if you meet Carmack, you have to let us know |
| 01:42.45 | JeffM | macsforme: or you know a desktop machine at all |
| 01:42.54 | JeffM | TheRedBaron: that was last week man |
| 01:42.56 | JeffM | he's cool |
| 01:43.11 | JeffM | he stoped by for lunch during a metting |
| 01:43.19 | TheRedBaron | well, know I hate you more |
| 01:43.21 | TheRedBaron | *now |
| 01:44.37 | TheRedBaron | (not really, I don't hate you) |
| 01:46.56 | JeffM | I'm just glad Palmer quit, he was against the entire thing |
| 01:59.19 | macsforme | don't worry JeffM, there are some really exciting things "in the pipeline" |
| 02:00.10 | blast007 | ooo, are they gonna put a CPU from 2016 in their new mac mini? |
| 02:02.02 | JeffM | blast007: no, a really fancy iphone cpu |
| 02:10.46 | blast007 | I'm just waiting for macOS 11 so that they're one better than Microsoft |
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| 03:12.18 | Bulldozer_ | Hey guys |
| 03:12.25 | the_map | waves |
| 03:12.39 | Bulldozer_ | I downloaded the beta that was released today |
| 03:12.52 | Bulldozer_ | Iâm concerned about the new in game login screen |
| 03:12.53 | Bulldozer_ | https://forums.bzflag.org/download/file.php?id=17076 |
| 03:13.02 | Bulldozer_ | Is all of that really necessary? |
| 03:13.22 | the_map | you might want to check your link |
| 03:16.40 | Bulldozer_ | letâs try that again |
| 03:16.40 | Bulldozer_ | https://forums.bzflag.org/download/file.php?id=17077 |
| 03:19.40 | the_map | it's probably default for signing in with facebook; idk, I don't use facebook |
| 03:20.40 | the_map | I'm also not really the one to ask about this either though, tbh |
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| 14:52.07 | Zehra | the wiki isn't linked in the main site anymore... |
| 14:52.26 | Zehra | i think this means official documentation is coming very soon =) |
| 14:57.27 | JeffM | the wiki is sometimes more trouble than it's worth |
| 14:57.38 | JeffM | at work we found it is a poor documentation platform. |
| 15:01.01 | Zehra | it doesn't work well because many people will write things very differently |
| 15:01.14 | JeffM | and you can't strucutre it like documentation needs to be |
| 15:02.40 | Zehra | it becomes a mess which is unsorted |
| 15:03.10 | blast007 | Facebook doesn't like wikis |
| 15:03.27 | blast007 | we're going to convert the documentation to Facebook pages |
| 15:05.07 | Zehra | i think i won't be seen there |
| 15:05.17 | Zehra | i'll be using CL =P |
| 15:08.07 | blast007 | we'll be removing CL because of the Real Name policy. people don't need privacy these days. |
| 15:08.19 | blast007 | same with ST and MQ |
| 15:08.24 | JeffM | isn't privacy illegal in the US now? |
| 15:08.31 | blast007 | pretty sure |
| 15:09.06 | Zehra | will find a new way to remain hidden |
| 15:09.35 | Zehra | i'll rename myself so it's a slash command and makes it impossible to mention my name |
| 15:09.37 | JeffM | administrators see everything |
| 15:10.23 | blast007 | why would we have slash commands in the new game? |
| 15:10.34 | Zehra | ack =P |
| 15:10.44 | JeffM | guhhh how did I collect so many computers |
| 15:32.03 | JeffM | heh, MS is closing CodePlex, about time |
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| 21:16.10 | *** topic/#bzflag by blast007 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || http://bzflag.org/help || Channel Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.10 released! https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19401 |
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| 22:47.08 | Zehra | wonders about the plug-in on urban jungle for april fools |
| 22:52.46 | Zehra | btw |
| 22:53.02 | Zehra | does anyone have an archive of pieinthesky? |
| 22:53.19 | Zehra | seems it wasn't released anywhere =P |
| 22:59.16 | blast007 | not all maps were released for use |
| 23:02.22 | Zehra | it kind of would be nice to have it |
| 23:02.51 | Zehra | even if not for public use |
| 23:03.12 | Zehra | since some of options would be nice |
| 23:06.05 | Zehra | since it would be possible to use the exact options and not have a copyright violation too |
| 23:07.57 | blast007 | what? |
| 23:08.38 | blast007 | private use of copyrighted content for which you don't have a license is still a copyright violation |
| 23:16.31 | Zehra | it basically would prevent anyone from using /saveworld too |
| 23:17.43 | Zehra | i think copyright provides an exception for archive purposes |
| 23:18.20 | Zehra | i'd have to check on that, since i'm not 100% sure on what exceptions could apply |
| 23:20.44 | Zehra | if i understand correctly... |
| 23:21.08 | Zehra | i think copyright is mostly on how the things are set and not on the actual object |
| 23:21.51 | Zehra | so like the world size and object positions are what are copyrighted along with a few other things |
| 23:22.15 | Zehra | and if something is too simple to be covered under original design |
| 23:22.30 | Zehra | it fails under copyright laws |
| 23:22.59 | Zehra | i think options are what basically can't be copyrighted |
| 23:23.08 | Zehra | although the map is |
| 23:24.59 | blast007 | the /saveworld command doesn't give you free reign to do what you want with anything |
| 23:25.22 | blast007 | just like the 'save image' option in a browser doesn't give you free reign to do what you want with an image |
| 23:27.00 | Zehra | i think that there's a section which is called "fair use" |
| 23:27.34 | Zehra | and from my understanding |
| 23:27.35 | blast007 | there's also "asking the copyright owner for permission" |
| 23:27.45 | blast007 | so how about we just stop this pointless discussion? |
| 23:27.56 | Zehra | yup |
| 23:28.30 | Zehra | goes to work on figuring out the configurations themselves |
| 23:29.44 | Zehra | changes this to making similar configurations |
