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| 01:52.40 | the_map | bug report, Linux Mint, 2.4.12: when setting hunt on obs mode I cannot hit enter to select someone - I have to click |
| 01:53.23 | blast007 | which SDL? |
| 01:53.59 | the_map | same as a player |
| 01:54.26 | the_map | how do I find out which SDL? |
| 01:54.41 | blast007 | the version string will either say -SDL or -SDL2 |
| 01:54.41 | the_map | my version string has MAINT-linux-gnu-SDL (0221) |
| 01:54.47 | the_map | ok, yeah |
| 01:54.49 | the_map | SDL |
| 01:54.53 | blast007 | so SDL 1.2 |
| 01:57.58 | blast007 | do you have Enter set as a fire key? |
| 01:58.03 | the_map | yeah |
| 01:58.38 | the_map | wait, hold on |
| 01:59.30 | the_map | I have ` mapped to fire |
| 01:59.38 | the_map | and that key works for selecting hunt |
| 02:00.07 | blast007 | yeah, it's the fire keys that set it, not Enter specifically |
| 02:00.15 | the_map | :| |
| 02:02.21 | the_map | thanks for your help |
| 02:07.06 | macsforme | JeffM: you get one with a developer subscription, which I think is $99/year |
| 02:07.30 | JeffM | How long does it last for? |
| 02:09.53 | macsforme | 5 years, I think... although I'm not sure if the app will fail to launch or not after the key expires |
| 02:10.58 | the_map | o.O |
| 02:22.39 | blast007 | I was thinking that for app signing it was for when the app was signed, not when the app was launched |
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| 16:24.19 | JeffM | blast007: looks like apple changed it this year |
| 16:24.20 | JeffM | https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/20/mac-apps-fail-launch-expired-apple-certificates/ |
| 16:24.32 | JeffM | so unmaintained apps just die |
| 16:25.11 | JeffM | "We knew our developer certificate was going to expire on Saturday, but thought nothing of it because we believed those were only necessary when publishing a new version. Apparently that's not the case. In reality it had the unexpected side effect of causing macOS to refuse to launch 1Password properly" |
| 17:02.51 | JeffM | found some more info, |
| 17:02.52 | JeffM | https://manytricks.com/blog/?p=4431 |
| 17:03.20 | JeffM | looks like there is a difference between the cert and the "developer ID provisioning profile" whatever that is. |
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| 17:24.58 | blast007 | so old releases will fail to run in X years? |
| 17:30.02 | JeffM | it may depend on what features it defines in it's profile |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM | but maybe |
| 17:30.45 | JeffM | it looks like in some cases it depoends on the developer profile being active |
| 17:31.02 | JeffM | so all those mac builds are inherently tied to macsforme 's personal account |
| 17:38.04 | blast007 | https://developer.apple.com/support/certificates/ see the "Developer ID Application Certificate" section. Sounds like the provisioning profile is only "to take advantage of advanced capabilities such as CloudKit and push notifications" |
| 17:39.06 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:40.57 | blast007 | also, "If your membership expires, users can still download, install, and run your Developer IDâsigned applications. " |
| 17:41.11 | JeffM | so he can use his key from today and be fine |
| 17:41.14 | JeffM | that's good |
| 17:41.37 | blast007 | unless that page lies :) |
| 17:41.52 | JeffM | the only thing that could screw bzflag is if macsforme becomes evil and starts making malware with his key |
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| 22:10.58 | macsforme | that has always been a risk, for anyone who makes an official binary :P |
| 22:12.45 | blast007 | good thing I've always been evil |
| 22:17.41 | macsforme | however, my bitcoin portfolio has been flourishing lately, so thanks, all |
| 22:19.25 | JeffM | macsforme: sure in the bzflag bin, but with apple because it's signed, bzflag could be punished for actions you take in OTHER bins unrelated to bzflag. That is not a risk on windows and linux |
| 22:19.54 | JeffM | if you went evil, and we did not accept your new bins, you could still get the old bins banned |
| 22:20.31 | JeffM | it's a slightly different risk with a longer tail |
| 22:23.39 | macsforme | one could argue that having no way way to revoke old builds that theoretically could contain malware is an equal or greater risk (not that I support the idea of requiring app signing in general) |
| 22:26.58 | JeffM | simiar, the signing thing is just on top of that |
| 22:27.07 | JeffM | so it's an additional small risk |
| 22:27.41 | JeffM | the point is, no mater how much the builds were checked, they could be revoked even if they DON'T contain malware |
| 22:28.27 | JeffM | the malare in teh build is of course a much greater risk |
| 22:30.36 | macsforme | I wonder how many or what percentage of users play on an old client version |
| 22:31.05 | JeffM | does update notification work on OSX? |
| 22:32.08 | macsforme | as in the MOTD? |
| 22:32.11 | JeffM | my guess is the % is higher for linux users due to how package managers push updates |
| 22:32.15 | blast007 | I don't even use update notification on Windows anymore |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:32.28 | JeffM | then probalby a lot of people :) |
| 22:32.33 | macsforme | I was going to say, it works, but it works even if you have the latest version :P |
| 22:33.01 | macsforme | any particular reason, blast007? |
| 22:33.27 | blast007 | for those that want to run old versions, it nags you EVERY TIME you launch the client |
| 22:34.22 | blast007 | and because the MOTD request isn't tied to a specific user, the best I could do is track which IP address I've notified and only show it once per X hours/days/weeks for that IP |
| 22:34.43 | macsforme | well, right now it nags everyone, regardless of what version you're running |
| 22:35.11 | blast007 | no, with Windows, you can make it throw up an upgrade dialog |
| 22:35.29 | macsforme | oh |
| 22:35.37 | blast007 | asks you if you want to download the new installer, and if you choose yes, it downloads it, executes it, and quits the client |
| 22:36.28 | blast007 | and older clients can't access HTTPS URLs, so I'd have to serve an HTTP URL for them, which I don't do for the downloads.bzflag.org domain |
| 22:36.32 | JeffM | do you track it with list server stats? |
| 22:36.52 | blast007 | I think |
| 22:37.13 | blast007 | it's probably in logs |
| 22:37.21 | blast007 | not a nicely searchable database |
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