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| 00:52.28 | blast007 | I'm working on mid-game team changing for 2.6. I have it mostly working. Instead of the 2.99.x way where it instantly changed your team, this is making it take effect on the next spawn (except for rabbit chase servers, and except when changing to/from observer). |
| 00:52.51 | blast007 | How should the player score be handled? Should it reset when changing teams? |
| 00:54.16 | blast007 | For the standard behavior, that is. |
| 00:55.00 | blast007 | rabbit chase switching from hunter to/from rabbit wouldn't reset, of course. |
| 00:57.29 | blast007 | Currently when I do when switching from an alive tank to observer is that I send a self kill death to that tank from the server and then send a team change message. If I die, switch to observer, and then quickly switch back to a playable tank, I still have the _explodeTime wait and am in the explosion arc. I suppose I should fix that state up when switching to observer. |
| 00:58.17 | blast007 | This could also eliminate the MsgNewRabbit message, since I could just set teams with MsgSetTeam - and we could even have multiple rabbits. :) |
| 01:44.35 | macsforme | I think scores should persist |
| 01:46.58 | blast007 | even when switching to observer and back? |
| 01:48.26 | macsforme | what would be the purpose of that? to take a quick break, or as an alternative to the idle kick? |
| 01:50.23 | blast007 | are you asking what the point of switching to observer and back is? or asking what's the point of saving (or not saving) the score when switching to observer and back? |
| 01:50.44 | macsforme | the point of switching to observer and back |
| 01:57.42 | blast007 | the same point of rejoining as observer and then rejoining as a normal player |
| 01:58.48 | blast007 | I think for now I'd leave it where it retains the score |
| 02:16.36 | allejo | if switching from playing team to playing team, scores should persist. if it moves from player to observer, then it'll reset the score |
| 02:16.57 | allejo | throw an API event when a switch happens and let plug-in devs decide on whether or not to reset scores |
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| 04:22.14 | Delusional | if you take peopleâs score, they wonât like that one bit. |
| 04:26.16 | blast007 | Delusional: we already do |
| 04:26.36 | blast007 | you don't retain your score when you switch teams currently, since you have to rejoin |
| 04:29.47 | allejo | just because we do it now, doesn't mean people like it :p |
| 04:29.57 | Delusional | oh, i forgot⦠thatâs not how it works on my server |
| 04:30.35 | blast007 | allejo: sure. just sounded like he was implying it would be a change. |
| 04:30.54 | Delusional | currently have 24 plugins running |
| 04:30.58 | blast007 | because of the "won't", instead of "don't" |
| 04:31.36 | allejo | how about if it's an optional parameter? if you do it in-game then it'll reset. if it's done via an API call, leave it to the plug-in dev to decide |
| 04:31.58 | allejo | because you may want to have some sort of balancing functionality and you don't want to penalize the players who get swapped |
| 04:31.59 | blast007 | I intend to have the API make it optional |
| 04:32.12 | blast007 | I'm just wondering how we want the default behavior |
| 04:33.12 | allejo | what do other games do? |
| 04:34.33 | Delusional | the choosing of which player to switch, and how long are teams uneven before you switch, those are additional questions. One way to do it would be after teams are uneven x seconds, announce ânext player to die on X team gets switched to Y teamâ. that can allow a team to choose the player it gets |
| 04:34.33 | blast007 | sell hats |
| 04:36.12 | allejo | i don't want to encourage players to reset their score by rejoining nor discourage them from volunteering to balance out the teams |
| 04:36.15 | allejo | unless it's obs |
| 04:36.26 | allejo | don't store stuff for obs |
| 04:38.04 | Delusional | if one teamâs combined player score (avg) is way higher than the other⦠thatâs when the weak team leaves (in my opinion this is the most common scenario)⦠in this case it might be good to take the strongest player from the strong team, and put them on the weaker team. |
| 04:42.47 | Delusional | as long as your trying to make teams more fair, may as well make them as fair as possible |
| 04:47.08 | Delusional | here has to be a delay too⦠you canât start switching players the moment teams are uneven. 20 seconds at least, probably more |
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| 13:32.33 | macsforme | losing one's score is likely one of the factors that most discourages players from switching to the other team in the case of an imbalance in numbers or strength |
| 14:21.20 | blast007 | I'm also in favor of retaining scores when switching between playable teams. |
| 16:38.39 | blast007 | for the observer side, I'm on the fence. As a server admin, I certainly recall having to rejoin as observer to observe a suspicious player, losing my score in the process. But I also don't want observer to be a "hey, I'm going to watch a movie and don't want to lose my score" kind of thing. |
| 16:39.09 | blast007 | So perhaps a defined time limit for how long observer will preserve your score? |
| 16:40.01 | blast007 | preferrably some fixed time limit so it's consistent across servers |
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| 23:58.49 | Delusional | if youâre gonna do that, may as well let them leave completely for fifteen minutes, while saving score |
| 23:59.21 | macsforme | it would make sense to me for scores to be lost upon switching to observer... but I'm not strongly inclined either way |