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| 20:26.27 | The_Noah | in case anyone cares, im ending BZFlag NUI |
| 20:30.07 | The_Noah | theres been glitches, and i have NO clue why, and i didnt modify any of the code where the glitches is, so i cant fix it ;( |
| 20:50.23 | blast007 | what kind of glitches? |
| 20:51.42 | The_Noah | when playing, rendering objects sometimes jerks |
| 20:51.48 | The_Noah | parts of them |
| 20:52.07 | blast007 | like, parts of 3D objects like tanks? |
| 20:52.12 | The_Noah | i have no clue, i havent changed the code in a while, and it just started yesterday |
| 20:52.23 | The_Noah | not tanks, but yes, 3D objects |
| 20:55.08 | The_Noah | OH! i think i know what it is........ sometime my screen glitches, but its never happend when playing BZ...... |
| 21:00.38 | The_Noah | i guess that could be it, ill have to do some testing |
| 21:12.56 | JeffM | yeah you probalby jacked with the state table |
| 21:13.06 | JeffM | bzflag does some REALLY odd state management for openGL |
| 21:13.11 | JeffM | it's super easy to break |
| 21:13.37 | JeffM | it's leftover from when changing GL state values was slow in software rendering |
| 21:13.45 | JeffM | so it would try to minimize things like blending or color changes. |
| 21:13.53 | JeffM | so it only changes stuff it knows changed. |
| 21:14.09 | JeffM | so if you don't use the state system and change GL manualy, it screws up the drawing calls after |
| 21:14.41 | The_Noah | ??? |
| 21:14.53 | JeffM | how much do know know about openGL 1.1? |
| 21:15.20 | The_Noah | 1.1? well, i know some about OpenGL in general...... |
| 21:15.34 | The_Noah | i changed nothing with 3D stuff |
| 21:15.50 | JeffM | doesn't matter, it's all GL :) 2d and 3d |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM | so you know that openGL is a state machine right? |
| 21:16.12 | The_Noah | idk |
| 21:16.18 | JeffM | once you set something like color or blending it's that way untill it changes again. |
| 21:16.28 | The_Noah | i havnt changed the code for almost a week, and it started yesterday |
| 21:16.30 | JeffM | even textures and stuff are all states in the machine. |
| 21:16.45 | The_Noah | but its random, and hard to explain |
| 21:16.50 | JeffM | you've probalby had the issues and just never seen it |
| 21:16.58 | The_Noah | and i havnt changed blending or anything |
| 21:17.06 | JeffM | it's probalby not random, but based on the order of what is drawn in the rendering pipeline. |
| 21:17.10 | JeffM | what did you change? |
| 21:17.25 | The_Noah | that renders? just the HUD UI |
| 21:17.27 | JeffM | the bzflag render pipeline is super pragile |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM | HOW did you change the UI? |
| 21:17.47 | The_Noah | typing |
| 21:17.51 | The_Noah | in HUDRender.cxx |
| 21:18.12 | The_Noah | moving things, changing colors, and adding a few more things |
| 21:18.20 | JeffM | colors are states |
| 21:18.26 | The_Noah | ok..... |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM | blending was just one example |
| 21:18.46 | JeffM | did you call direct GL calls or just re-order bzflag code? |
| 21:18.52 | The_Noah | ALL colors that i changed, there is a color after it that i DIDNT change |
| 21:19.00 | JeffM | ok good, |
| 21:19.05 | The_Noah | re-order BZ |
| 21:19.19 | JeffM | that should be ok, since they are all state aware |
| 21:19.20 | The_Noah | no direct calls, unless it was already in the code |
| 21:19.25 | JeffM | you recently update your video driver? |
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| 21:19.29 | The_Noah | no |
| 21:19.35 | JeffM | update linux? |
| 21:19.38 | The_Noah | no |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM | odd |
| 21:20.06 | The_Noah | agreed |
| 21:20.15 | JeffM | then you'll have to step through in a debugger and compare the moded code to the original. |
| 21:20.39 | The_Noah | but i didnt change anything that should affect it |
| 21:20.47 | JeffM | welcome to software development |
| 21:20.52 | blast007 | do you have another machine you can test on? |
| 21:20.55 | The_Noah | no |
| 21:21.08 | The_Noah | unless you compile it for Windows for me |
| 21:21.18 | blast007 | is the issue consistently reproducable? |
| 21:21.25 | JeffM | you are at stage 3 of the 6 stages "That shouldn't happen" |
| 21:21.34 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZonkGbeo/390179_1.jpg |
| 21:21.35 | The_Noah | no, its random, and isnt always happening |
| 21:21.52 | blast007 | have you tried an unmodified client to see if it happens there as well? |
| 21:21.58 | JeffM | the only true random bugs are hadware related. |
| 21:22.03 | The_Noah | nice pic |
| 21:22.09 | JeffM | you just haven't found the condition yet |
| 21:22.12 | The_Noah | no... |
| 21:22.36 | The_Noah | well, i have one, but im not sure if its unmodified |
| 21:22.52 | JeffM | so get a clean tree, build and test |
| 21:25.00 | The_Noah | its building..... |
| 21:35.35 | The_Noah | just wondering, will BZFlag compile faster with: a faster DISK, or a faster CPU, or more RAM? or a compination? |
| 21:36.02 | JeffM | depends on what your bottleneck is |
| 21:36.12 | The_Noah | in general |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM | it's a very complex issue |
| 21:36.25 | JeffM | what compiler are you using? |
| 21:36.39 | The_Noah | whatever is in the make file |
| 21:36.48 | JeffM | so GCC |
| 21:36.53 | The_Noah | i guess |
| 21:36.54 | JeffM | how many cores do you have? |
| 21:36.58 | The_Noah | 2 |
| 21:37.09 | The_Noah | 2GHz |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM | then more cores would probalby help you first, as I doubt your disk bound. |
| 21:37.22 | The_Noah | ok |
| 21:37.25 | blast007 | how much RAM? |
| 21:37.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:37.33 | The_Noah | 4GB (3.5 usable) |
| 21:37.35 | JeffM | you can check to see what is being stressed |
| 21:37.39 | blast007 | more RAM can help offset slower disks |
| 21:37.41 | JeffM | oh god a 32 bit system? |
| 21:37.49 | The_Noah | no, 64-bit |
| 21:37.55 | JeffM | onboard graphics? |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM | probalby a laptop |
| 21:38.15 | The_Noah | yes |
| 21:38.18 | The_Noah | 9 years old! |
| 21:38.23 | JeffM | why? |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM | but do some basic investegations, use your resource monitors |
| 21:38.38 | The_Noah | because its all i have :D |
| 21:38.43 | blast007 | that's as old as my laptop |
| 21:38.53 | The_Noah | lawl |
| 21:39.05 | blast007 | but I also bought it recently |
| 21:39.11 | JeffM | he loves old stuff |
| 21:39.15 | JeffM | and slow stuff |
| 21:39.26 | blast007 | it's not *that* slow :) |
| 21:39.41 | The_Noah | you have a Pi 3, right? |
| 21:39.51 | blast007 | I have a lot of Pi's |
| 21:40.00 | The_Noah | nice |
| 21:40.12 | The_Noah | i cant see my disk usage, but my CPU is at 100% |
| 21:40.16 | blast007 | Pi 1B rev 1, Pi 2B rev 2, Pi 1A, Pi2, Pi3 |
| 21:40.33 | The_Noah | i have a Pi zero, Pi zero W, and Pi 3 |
| 21:41.14 | The_Noah | i made a handhelp gaming "console" using my zero (not W :( ) |
| 21:41.25 | The_Noah | handheld* |
| 21:41.35 | blast007 | JeffM: the CPU in my laptop has a very similar single-thread performance to that of an i3-5005U (though for multi-threaded it's about half since that i3 has hyperthreading) |
| 21:42.07 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM | slap an SSD in it |
| 21:42.44 | The_Noah | on this computer, i can get as high a frame rate as i can, but on a nice desktop, i can only get 60 FPS, why? |
| 21:42.47 | The_Noah | lawl |
| 21:42.48 | blast007 | and my main work laptop has an i3-5005U |
| 21:42.52 | blast007 | oh, I already did :) |
| 21:42.52 | The_Noah | i need a SSD in this |
| 21:42.59 | blast007 | SSD, 8GB RAM |
| 21:43.02 | JeffM | The_Noah: vsync is probalby on |
| 21:43.11 | The_Noah | how do i disable it? |
| 21:43.19 | JeffM | usualy part of the driver settings |
| 21:43.25 | The_Noah | oh, bummer |
| 21:43.41 | The_Noah | i really wanted to see how many FPS i can get out of it |
| 21:43.45 | JeffM | there is also a frame rate limiter in the bzflag config. |
| 21:43.52 | The_Noah | FINALLY DONE COMPILING!!! |
| 21:44.02 | JeffM | there are a bunch of things that can limit frame rates |
| 21:44.06 | The_Noah | oh ya! |
| 21:44.18 | blast007 | newer clients can *maybe* turn vsync off |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM | if your display is limited to 60hz, more frames just increases tearing |
| 21:44.35 | blast007 | I know we at least can turn it on, but I don't know if we force it off for the other options |
| 21:45.05 | The_Noah | ok |
| 21:45.28 | The_Noah | now that ive made my new UI, i cant stand the old one :cringe: |
| 21:45.48 | The_Noah | at least i have my texture pack, 4K! |
| 21:48.19 | The_Noah | i have to test it more for glitches, but im getting double FPS??????????? |
| 21:49.43 | The_Noah | it has glitches, i guess its my screen...... |
| 21:50.47 | The_Noah | hello? |
| 21:51.05 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:51.22 | JeffM | intel onboard video is notoriously buggy |
| 21:51.33 | JeffM | my guess is your pakcage manager updated the driver or changed something. |
| 21:51.50 | The_Noah | oh |
| 21:52.17 | The_Noah | but how on earth am i getting DOUBLE FPS? even the same version i installed a while ago doesnt get this many FPS! |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM | driver may have changed how it syncs |
| 21:52.52 | JeffM | or is doing some BS double buffering |
| 21:53.05 | The_Noah | isnt double buffering good? |
| 21:53.12 | JeffM | bzflag is not a graphically intensive game |
| 21:53.17 | JeffM | depends on what you are doing |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM | double double buffering can be bad :) |
| 21:53.29 | The_Noah | ok |
| 21:53.38 | The_Noah | maybe thats what i need to fix with me game :P |
| 21:53.46 | JeffM | you want a context flipflop |
| 21:54.17 | The_Noah | whats that? |
| 21:54.26 | JeffM | what normal double buffering does |
| 21:55.11 | The_Noah | WOW, installing BZ again gave me double FPS on all my clients!! |
| 21:55.21 | The_Noah | um ok |
| 21:56.03 | The_Noah | is C++ faster then C? |
| 22:02.45 | The_Noah | double buffering gives me ~10 FPS more for my game, and its graphics are basically none |
| 22:02.54 | The_Noah | have you tested BZ with bouble buffering? |
| 22:06.13 | blast007 | I use whatever my driver defaults to for the most part |
| 22:07.33 | The_Noah | how could i add double buffering?? |
| 22:18.02 | JeffM | but if the driver is doing double buffering on top of bzflag's double buffering, it may make bzflag think it's drawing twice as many frames. |
| 22:18.40 | JeffM | bzflag already does double buffering |
| 22:18.50 | JeffM | more than likely that is not the cause of your gains |
| 22:19.05 | JeffM | you probalby got an updated driver that does more with hardware |
| 22:19.21 | JeffM | you really don't know that much about programing do you? |
| 22:20.28 | JeffM | generaly C and C++ use the same compiler |
| 22:20.34 | JeffM | C is a subset of C++ |
| 22:21.01 | JeffM | if you are going to do graphical development then you should pay attention to your computer, like when and what gets updated. |
| 22:21.07 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 22:25.47 | The_Noah | built-in |
| 22:25.57 | The_Noah | i know a lot about programming |
| 22:26.07 | JeffM | in what langauge? |
| 22:26.12 | The_Noah | several |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM | python and a javascript? |
| 22:26.22 | The_Noah | i just dont know a lot about graphics |
| 22:26.49 | The_Noah | Python, Bash, Batch, C, kinda C++, HTML, CSS, JS, Java, PHP, and more |
| 22:27.18 | JeffM | you should know the capabilities of your graphics chip |
| 22:27.25 | JeffM | most onboards are intel |
| 22:27.36 | JeffM | you really shoudl make sure you have the best driver for it. |
| 22:29.23 | The_Noah | BZFlag OpenGL driver says: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset |
| 22:29.48 | JeffM | yeah that's a pretty old chipset |
| 22:30.22 | JeffM | Mesa could be running in hardware or software mode |
| 22:30.54 | The_Noah | is there a way i could tell? im on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS |
| 22:31.11 | JeffM | I am not a linux expert, I'd do some research |
| 22:32.19 | The_Noah | Intel 45 Express Chipset | GPU: Intel GMA 4500MHD |
| 22:33.12 | JeffM | a 10 year old chipset |
| 22:34.36 | JeffM | it was the last of the line before Intel "HD" graphics. |
| 22:34.42 | The_Noah | ive heard that OpenGL Mesa is slow, is that true? |
| 22:34.49 | JeffM | Mesa is a wraper |
| 22:34.50 | The_Noah | thats sad...... |
| 22:34.57 | JeffM | software mesa can be slow |
| 22:35.04 | JeffM | because it's... done in software |
| 22:35.14 | JeffM | but mesa can be the wraper around a hardware driver |
| 22:35.17 | JeffM | and that can be fast |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM | the GMA series doesn't provide all the functions that openGL can do |
| 22:35.40 | The_Noah | if i run glxinfo, one of the first lines is: direct rendering: Yes |
| 22:35.41 | JeffM | so mesa is there to fill in the parts that the chipset is missing. |
| 22:35.47 | JeffM | that's good then |
| 22:35.51 | The_Noah | ah i see |
| 22:35.57 | JeffM | so it is using the chipset for some part of rendering |
| 22:35.58 | The_Noah | so its hardware rendering: |
| 22:36.03 | The_Noah | YAY! |
| 22:36.12 | JeffM | if you were previously not using direct rendering it woudl have been slower |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM | or if they updated the code to do MORE on the chip it may get faster |
| 22:36.34 | blast007 | that's the same GPU in my laptop |
| 22:36.38 | JeffM | but that may also be why you are getting rendering artifacts. |
| 22:36.39 | The_Noah | lawl |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM | the GPU could be screwing up it's hardware rendering. |
| 22:37.11 | The_Noah | would the rendering artifacts be just for OpenGL or ALL of my screen? even the desktop? |
| 22:37.14 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.27 | JeffM | depends what API's other things use |
| 22:37.55 | JeffM | you probably arn't using GL composting for your desktop on a GMA chipset, that would be slow |
| 22:38.06 | blast007 | I am |
| 22:38.07 | JeffM | so the desktop is probalby just frame buffer mode |
| 22:38.12 | JeffM | you'd have to check |
| 22:38.27 | JeffM | I don't know what ubutu does these days |
| 22:38.53 | JeffM | and even if the deskop was using the chipset that doesn't mean it's doing the same operations as bzflag. |
| 22:38.59 | blast007 | pretty sure Gnome 3 does compositing |
| 22:39.11 | The_Noah | theres "how to install mesa on ubuntu 16.04" so im guessing it uses OpenGL |
| 22:39.25 | blast007 | don't follow silly guides like those |
| 22:39.35 | The_Noah | sometimes my screen glitches, but BZFlag never has |
| 22:39.40 | The_Noah | im not :D |
| 22:39.44 | The_Noah | until now |
| 22:39.46 | JeffM | check your update history |
| 22:39.57 | blast007 | "so I'm guessing it uses OpenGL" what are you referring to? |
| 22:40.05 | The_Noah | ive never updated, all updates that have happend if theyve happend are automatic |
| 22:40.13 | The_Noah | Ubuntu Desktop |
| 22:40.16 | The_Noah | for rendering |
| 22:40.23 | JeffM | you think who did the update matters? |
| 22:40.36 | The_Noah | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.00 | JeffM | it doesn't matter if you did the update or if ubuntu did it automaticly, stuff still got updated. |
| 22:41.04 | JeffM | and updates mean changes |
| 22:41.10 | The_Noah | yes |
| 22:41.12 | JeffM | you say nothing changed, but something did change. |
| 22:41.19 | JeffM | so you are wrong when you say nothing changed. |
| 22:41.25 | JeffM | because the system did change. |
| 22:41.27 | blast007 | Ubuntu is generally a bit less stable than say, Debian |
| 22:41.35 | The_Noah | i installed BZ again, i was playing 20 minutes before i did, and it had the normal frame rate |
| 22:41.38 | blast007 | at least Debian Stable |
| 22:41.48 | JeffM | installing bzflag does nothing to your video driver |
| 22:41.57 | The_Noah | i know |
| 22:41.58 | blast007 | that could be thermal throttling |
| 22:42.01 | The_Noah | im just saying what i did |
| 22:42.15 | JeffM | possibly |
| 22:42.23 | The_Noah | the temps are fine |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM | or the config got blown out and he had a limiter |
| 22:42.35 | The_Noah | ive never had the problem |
| 22:42.35 | blast007 | are you running on battery? |
| 22:42.48 | JeffM | the CPU throttles so the temps stay fine :) |
| 22:42.56 | The_Noah | JeffM there was no limiter, and i installed the same version |
| 22:43.04 | The_Noah | blast: im on battery pluged in |
| 22:43.30 | JeffM | well then your computer is unstable , congratulations :) |
| 22:43.37 | The_Noah | meow |
| 22:43.42 | JeffM | don't do your taxes on it |
| 22:43.46 | The_Noah | :D |
| 22:44.02 | The_Noah | i guess i should copy all my NUI work :D |
| 22:44.17 | The_Noah | is looking for his flash drive |
| 22:45.18 | JeffM | version control systems exist for a reason. |
| 22:45.23 | blast007 | or fork the bzflag github repo, put your changes into the 2.4 branch, and push it up to github |
| 22:45.41 | blast007 | easier to merge in new changes that we put in that way, too |
| 22:45.46 | The_Noah | ill stick with my flash drive :D |
| 22:45.55 | The_Noah | i will some day |
| 22:46.22 | blast007 | you will if you ever want it merged into BZFlag :) |
| 22:46.53 | The_Noah | :O |
| 22:47.05 | The_Noah | so put it on Github? and whats forking? |
| 22:47.16 | The_Noah | i dont use Github :D |
| 22:47.27 | JeffM | you will if you want to be part of bzflag development |
| 22:47.35 | JeffM | you make a copy of bzflag that's tied to your account |
| 22:47.37 | The_Noah | thats why im learning to use it! |
| 22:47.39 | JeffM | you make changes to that copy |
| 22:47.49 | JeffM | and keep the copy on github updated |
| 22:47.55 | The_Noah | ok |
| 22:48.13 | JeffM | then when you want to submit the changes you bsicly say "hey you should take the changes from this fork" |
| 22:48.25 | JeffM | and if it's good, a bzflag developer merges the code into the main codebase. |
| 22:48.27 | blast007 | https://guides.github.com/activities/forking/ |
| 22:48.42 | JeffM | it's a pretty standard development process. |
| 22:48.51 | The_Noah | so, NUI is based off of 2.4.10, but the files that it changed have only a slight differece then 2.4.12, is it it fine just to put those differences is? |
| 22:49.11 | JeffM | no, your fork is a complete copy of bzflag |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM | it's so a bzflag developer can test it in your codebase |
| 22:49.25 | JeffM | you don't just post a patch |
| 22:49.30 | blast007 | you would start with the 2.4 branch, which is 2.4.13, and put your changes into that |
| 22:49.34 | The_Noah | i know, let me axplain |
| 22:49.44 | The_Noah | explain* |
| 22:50.28 | The_Noah | NUI uses 2.4.10, and the files that are modifed for it, are only slightly different then 2.4.12, so is it ok to but the 2.4.12 differences in it, and the rest of the code be stock 2.4.12? |
| 22:50.54 | JeffM | no, like blast said, you need to start with the 2.4.x branch |
| 22:51.04 | JeffM | it's flagged as 2.4.13 |
| 22:51.08 | JeffM | you make your changes to that code |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM | and commit it to your fork |
| 22:51.30 | JeffM | it's your job to make sure your code works with the current codebase, not a bzflag developers |
| 22:51.49 | JeffM | more than likely there are no diffs between the branch and your code in that area |
| 22:51.59 | JeffM | so it should be trivial for you to merge. |
| 22:52.01 | The_Noah | ok, i see |
| 22:52.33 | The_Noah | if what i make gets merged into BZFlag stock, then do i get my name in the devs list? just wondering...... |
| 22:52.49 | JeffM | yes, if you assign copyright over to Tim |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM | and agree to the developer conditions in the document. |
| 22:53.08 | The_Noah | so basically, i say what i made is Tims? |
| 22:53.09 | blast007 | iirc, DEVINFO covers the copyright part |
| 22:53.11 | blast007 | no |
| 22:53.18 | The_Noah | whats iirc? |
| 22:53.24 | blast007 | if I recall correctly |
| 22:53.32 | JeffM | you grant Tim eternal copyright to it and that he can do whatever he wants with it. |
| 22:54.08 | The_Noah | ok i see |
| 22:54.12 | blast007 | it'd be good to read DEVINFO |
| 22:54.16 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:54.21 | The_Noah | do i currently have copyright over my own version? |
| 22:54.24 | blast007 | it covers our coding conventions |
| 22:54.48 | blast007 | the parts you have written |
| 22:54.48 | JeffM | you have copyright over your changes, but because of the bzflag license you are required to give people a copy of your modified source code if they ask for it. |
| 22:55.09 | JeffM | your changes are known as a "derived work" |
| 22:55.14 | blast007 | required to provide code *if* you distribute a binary |
| 22:55.19 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:55.37 | The_Noah | ah ok |
| 22:55.49 | The_Noah | i just forked it, so its the latest version? |
| 22:55.57 | JeffM | that is all the versions ;) |
| 22:56.06 | JeffM | the fork is the entire codebase and all it's history |
| 22:56.12 | JeffM | each branch is a version |
| 22:56.43 | The_Noah | so..... |
| 22:56.44 | JeffM | you clone the fork to your computer and have it use a specific branch as your working directory |
| 22:57.45 | The_Noah | ummm....... sorry ive never used Github |
| 22:57.55 | JeffM | you should read up on it |
| 22:58.15 | JeffM | it's how all projects with more than a single person will work |
| 22:58.50 | The_Noah | ok, so just read about Github and forking, then tell y'all? |
| 22:59.06 | blast007 | tell us what? |
| 22:59.31 | JeffM | once you read and underatand about it, it will be clear to you what you have to do |
| 22:59.40 | The_Noah | that ive updated my fork with NUI |
| 22:59.47 | JeffM | no, you would submit a pull request |
| 22:59.50 | The_Noah | ok i see |
| 22:59.54 | JeffM | that is something the documents will cover |
| 23:00.05 | JeffM | none of the process is manual :) |
| 23:00.20 | JeffM | whats the largest project you've ever worked on? |
| 23:00.22 | The_Noah | well, thanks for all the help, i gotta go, thanks again! ive always wanted to help with BZFlag, and now i can!! |
| 23:00.41 | The_Noah | ive only worked on self-projects |
| 23:00.53 | The_Noah | i would say my Webbrowser, VOS, or 3D game |
| 23:00.57 | blast007 | JeffM: this 9 year old laptop can muster up 40 to 90 FPS on Rat's Nest (one of the fanciest looking maps in BZ), at least with radar turned off |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:01.10 | The_Noah | lawl |
| 23:01.12 | The_Noah | bye |
| 23:01.41 | blast007 | and I'm sure the radar performance hit could be reduced with some simplified objects for radar rendering and then setting noradar on the actual objects |
| 23:01.45 | JeffM | bets 14 |
| 23:02.22 | allejo | 1 dollar, Bob |
| 23:02.55 | JeffM | that means you think I've gone over ;) |
| 23:03.45 | blast007 | oh, actually I was using the Enhanced radar, not the Fast one. It's ... faster with.. Fast. :) |
| 23:03.48 | allejo | slams his hand on his desk declaring, "I have seen enough 'The Price is Right' to know this" |
| 23:04.44 | blast007 | 36 to 70 FPS with radar on :) |
| 23:05.08 | allejo | I blame Drew Carrey |
| 23:05.39 | blast007 | 126 to 150 on a ducati map |
| 23:06.45 | blast007 | and that's with HD resolution! (*cough* 720p is HD... it's running 1280x800) |
| 23:16.10 | JeffM | did the guy who sold you a TV also tell you 480P was HD too? :) |
| 23:44.04 | *** join/#bzflag The_Noah (6163fde4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.99.253.228) |
