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| 00:44.55 | blast007 | The_Noah: BZFlag uses both TCP and UDP |
| 00:58.44 | The_Noah | is there any difference in performance with TCP vs UDP? |
| 01:00.49 | The_Noah | blast007: is there a way to force it to use only TCP or UDP? |
| 01:15.44 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag uses both simultaneously. Protocol messages that are less time-critical (e.g., chat) go via TCP. Protocol messages that must be delivered ASAP go via the UDP connection. |
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| 01:21.07 | blast007 | The_Noah: why are you wondering? are you having some issue with connecting? |
| 01:32.26 | The_Noah | i have a firewall on a few of my computers that blocks some UDP |
| 01:42.22 | blast007 | in the past at least, some antivirus/firewalls have flagged BZFlag as a web browser because we made an HTTP/HTTPS connection at startup, and then they blocked all UDP traffic |
| 02:43.50 | The_Noah | is there any way to get around it without disabling the firewall? |
| 02:46.49 | blast007 | yeah, by fixing your firewall |
| 02:47.51 | blast007 | what firewall is it? |
| 02:48.07 | The_Noah | Netnanny |
| 02:48.33 | blast007 | that's a web content filter, not a firewall |
| 02:48.55 | The_Noah | whatever |
| 02:49.12 | The_Noah | so it sees the HTTP(S) request and then blocks all BZFlag traffic? |
| 02:49.24 | blast007 | I have no idea |
| 02:49.32 | blast007 | I don't use netnanny |
| 02:49.46 | The_Noah | what happens is i can view the list just fine, connect, and play, its just when i shoot the server kicks my for "not using UDP" |
| 02:49.49 | The_Noah | haha |
| 02:49.52 | blast007 | "Net Nanny provides a content-control software marketed primarily towards parents as a way to monitor and control their child's computer activity. The software allows a computer owner to block and filter Internet content, place time limits on use, and block desktop PC games." |
| 02:50.19 | The_Noah | ya well its not my computer so i cant take it off |
| 02:50.26 | The_Noah | im just allowed to use it |
| 02:50.45 | The_Noah | and sadly Netnanny doesnt allow a white list (STUPID) |
| 02:51.06 | blast007 | not much you can do then |
| 02:52.25 | The_Noah | ok |
| 02:53.56 | The_Noah | afk |
| 03:08.23 | JeffM | TCP solo is bad for games |
| 03:08.43 | The_Noah | i know |
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| 16:45.07 | blast007 | I'm planning to reorganize all the old downloads so that they follow our current directory structure. Then I want to make a better set of index pages for the download.bzflag.org site. |
| 16:46.05 | blast007 | After that, what do we want to do about the SourceForge files? previously BulletCatcher said it would be nice to keep at least the source files there as some RPM .spec files might point there. |
| 16:46.48 | blast007 | If we're going to keep the source files the SF site, I'd rather we also add the releases since 2.4.2. |
| 16:46.58 | blast007 | Same for binary releases. |
| 16:47.11 | blast007 | I don't want the "latest" releases on the SF site to be 2.4.2 :) |
| 16:48.00 | blast007 | I have all the old SF files archived ( https://download.bzflag.org/sf-archive/ ), though I'd do another sync and compare to make sure. |
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| 18:31.16 | allejo | iirc one of the concerns with posting binaries to SF (and github) was that we couldn't have analytics. hence the reason for opting to use solely download.bzflag.org |
| 18:31.32 | allejo | well the concern was posting binaries to github. but the same would apply to SF |
| 18:31.45 | blast007 | SF has stats though |
| 18:32.23 | allejo | ah. so no objections to having stats being in two separate locations? |
| 18:33.16 | blast007 | I either want *all* our releases on SF or *none* of them |
| 18:33.30 | blast007 | that's my only concern with the SF site |
| 18:33.39 | blast007 | I don't want people mistaking 2.4.2 as the latest |
| 18:34.21 | blast007 | before I tell OpenSUSE to stop using our outdated 2.4.2 SF source, I want to know where I should tell them to go instead |
| 18:36.13 | The_Noah | why not just have binarie downloads on bzflag.org? |
| 18:38.11 | allejo | personally, I'd prefer to have everything in one location. if we update SF now, we'll have to remember to always keep it up to date |
| 18:38.52 | blast007 | binaries I care less about |
| 18:38.59 | blast007 | I figure those can just go away on the SF site |
| 18:39.04 | blast007 | main concern is source |
| 18:39.39 | blast007 | (and the old subversion repo on SF) |
| 18:40.12 | blast007 | I'd want to ensure I have a good local sync of the old subversion and then nuke it. |
| 18:44.36 | allejo | I'd favor backing up the SVN repo and nuke it entirely from SF. then have OpenSUSE point to github and downloads.bzflag.org :D |
| 21:04.43 | The_Noah | what happend to ChanServ? its gone on my channels too? |
| 21:05.36 | blast007 | read the global notice |
| 21:05.45 | The_Noah | where? |
| 21:05.50 | allejo | panic at the freenode |
| 21:06.24 | blast007 | probably in the first tab? is there a server tab or a "Freenode" tab? |
| 21:06.43 | The_Noah | oh thanks |
| 21:06.56 | The_Noah | im on the web interface, and its called "Status" |
| 21:07.40 | allejo | if you're gonna stick around IRC, why not get a dedicated client |
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| 21:08.12 | The_Noah | idk |
| 21:08.20 | The_Noah | im planning on making one (dont say i shouldnt) |
| 21:08.52 | blast007 | you shouldn't |
| 21:09.21 | The_Noah | i said dont say that! |
| 21:09.23 | allejo | you shouldn't |
| 21:09.27 | The_Noah | ^-_-^ |
| 21:09.33 | The_Noah | why not? |
| 21:09.48 | blast007 | because there's plenty of great IRC clients already |
| 21:09.54 | The_Noah | :\ |
| 21:10.05 | The_Noah | so why not make the next great one? |
| 21:10.41 | blast007 | what will be different about yours? |
| 21:11.03 | The_Noah | idk yet i havnt started making it |
| 21:11.21 | The_Noah | what do you like in an IRC client? |
| 21:13.38 | The_Noah | i already have all the code for communicating with a server, i just need a GUI |
| 21:14.26 | blast007 | I like one that doesn't need a GUI |
| 21:15.02 | The_Noah | so you like text-based IRC clients? |
| 21:15.04 | allejo | i prefer a gui |
| 21:15.13 | blast007 | yes, I use irssi |
| 21:15.22 | The_Noah | ill make it with a GUI and without |
| 21:15.49 | The_Noah | (GUIs are nice) |
| 21:16.03 | blast007 | allejo: do you use quassel? |
| 21:16.39 | allejo | blast, yea |
| 21:17.23 | blast007 | The_Noah: Quassel is pretty cool as well. You run a central core that does the actual communication with IRC servers, and then you connect one or more front-end interfaces to that core. |
| 21:17.52 | The_Noah | hmm |
| 21:18.38 | The_Noah | so the core is always running, then you just launch a GUI or terminal? |
| 21:18.59 | blast007 | it can be set up that way, yeah - or at least a GUI, dunno if it has a TUI version |
| 21:19.25 | allejo | don't think a text-only version exist. but if you want to build something, build a text version that connects to quassel core |
| 21:19.43 | The_Noah | i already made a IRC core |
| 21:19.51 | The_Noah | so i can build it around that |
| 21:19.58 | blast007 | there's also alternatives to IRC, like Matrix (which is a decentralized, federated communication platform/protocol) |
| 21:20.44 | The_Noah | and im making my own chat *proticol* |
| 21:20.52 | The_Noah | and dont say i shouldnt be doing that |
| 21:21.57 | allejo | you shouldn't be doing that |
| 21:22.02 | blast007 | ÊÉÉ¥Ê buıop Çq Ê,up×noÉ¥s noÊ |
| 21:22.22 | The_Noah | blast007: how did you do that? |
| 21:22.28 | blast007 | do what? |
| 21:22.35 | The_Noah | ÊÉÉ¥Ê buıop Çq Ê,up×noÉ¥s noÊ |
| 21:22.42 | The_Noah | upside-down text? |
| 21:22.46 | blast007 | looks normal to me |
| 21:23.03 | The_Noah | are you a bat? |
| 21:23.30 | The_Noah | p: ¡¡¡Êá´ pá´p á´ :ã¥00ÊsÉlq |
| 21:23.46 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:23.51 | The_Noah | http://www.upsidedowntext.com/ |
| 21:25.28 | blast007 | what language did you write your IRC core with? |
| 21:26.00 | The_Noah | Python |
| 21:26.08 | The_Noah | i was doing it in C, but i couldnt get it to work |
| 21:26.17 | The_Noah | i also built a bot on top of my core |
| 21:28.38 | The_Noah | why? |
| 21:28.49 | blast007 | was just wondering |
| 21:28.52 | The_Noah | ok |
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| 21:36.47 | allejo | so I'd like to revisit testing builds on travis |
| 21:37.02 | allejo | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/pull/89 |
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| 22:29.14 | allejo | i.e. close that PR or see what compromise we can reach to get it testing |
| 22:30.24 | blast007 | for the linux-side, was it working against SDL 1.2? and was there some issue with their mac environment? |
| 22:31.55 | allejo | yea, it's building against 1.2 for linux. macOS env should have been fixed but if not, I had a workaround that fixed that issue it was facing |
| 22:32.12 | allejo | see https://travis-ci.org/allejo/bzflag/builds/285422595 for successful builds |
| 22:32.39 | allejo | however, another concern was that we couldn't run ./configure as debug |
| 22:33.31 | blast007 | oh right, that |
| 22:33.55 | blast007 | any idea why they don't have the latest Ubuntu LTS? |
| 22:34.29 | blast007 | or are they waiting for Bionic Beaver? |
| 22:35.12 | allejo | they're typically always one LTS version behind |
| 22:35.25 | allejo | give or take a few months after an LTS release |
| 22:35.33 | allejo | say thing for other services, e.g. circleci |
| 22:38.08 | allejo | https://blog.travis-ci.com/2017-06-19-trusty-updates-2017-Q2 trusty was *just* deployed in june |
| 22:39.05 | allejo | https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/7260 |
| 22:39.22 | allejo | no ETA for xenial |
| 22:55.36 | blast007 | is there a way we can self-host some CI system? |
| 22:57.11 | blast007 | at least for linux |
| 22:57.57 | allejo | I mean, we *could* but do we *want* to? |
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| 22:58.36 | allejo | https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted#continuous-integration |
| 23:00.51 | allejo | also, running --enable-debug on macOS leads to a lot of warnings being treated as errors and iirc, macsforme wasn't quite sure what was causing them or it was a C++ thing |
| 23:02.29 | blast007 | so the mac CI doesn't build with XCode? |
| 23:04.10 | blast007 | if the mac CI is using the autotools build process, I don't think that's a relevant test anyway |
| 23:04.48 | allejo | ah no, at the moment i think i had it test with autotools. i can look into it building it with xcode |
| 23:16.21 | blast007 | https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/languages/c/#C11-C%2B%2B11-(and-Beyond)-and-Toolchain-Versioning |