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| 04:37.51 | JeffM | I think Iâll make a menu that shows all the sub folders in the data dir as available themes. Then all you have to do to get an optional texture pack is throw it in the dir. colorblind can just be a theme that is shipped by default. |
| 04:42.45 | allejo | to satisfy my requirements for this project, I'd also need to be able to set colors for the radar/scoreboard/etc. |
| 04:42.57 | allejo | which are available through localsets |
| 04:43.20 | allejo | do you have any ideas on reading localset variables from the data dir too as part of a theme? |
| 04:49.52 | JeffM | Yeah remove them from localset and read them from a file |
| 04:50.14 | JeffM | Then the theme can have an overriding file |
| 04:50.20 | JeffM | I can hook that up too |
| 04:50.25 | JeffM | Pretty easy |
| 04:50.58 | JeffM | Bedbugs is overused for stuff like that |
| 04:51.05 | JeffM | Bzdb |
| 04:51.24 | allejo | agreed |
| 04:51.45 | JeffM | Treat it like texture data |
| 04:52.02 | allejo | if that's moved to a theme file, then that'd make it far easier to maintain in 2.6 |
| 04:52.03 | JeffM | If you want, store it in a special texture |
| 04:52.14 | JeffM | Yeah files good |
| 04:53.01 | JeffM | Make me a list of all the local sets |
| 04:55.17 | allejo | might not be a full list, just pulled from a forum post: roguecolor, redcolor, greencolor, bluecolor, purplecolor, observercolor, rabbitcolor, huntercolor, rogueradar, redradar, greenradar, blueradar, purpleradar, observerradar, rabbitradar, hunterradar |
| 04:55.51 | JeffM | Can you send that to me in an email? |
| 04:57.02 | allejo | sure |
| 04:59.03 | JeffM | Should be pretty easy to hook up |
| 05:02.07 | JeffM | The only real issue will be forcing texture manger to reload |
| 05:02.30 | JeffM | But it may be ok to force a context rebuild |
| 05:05.08 | allejo | waits for it to be abused if it causes lag |
| 05:05.14 | allejo | ducks |
| 05:19.48 | Juesto | wat |
| 13:03.09 | JeffM | allejo: itâs the same as alt tab in and out, so people can do that today. |
| 13:31.00 | Juesto | sup |
| 14:27.18 | JeffM | the direction normal to the vector from the point on the surface that I am standing on that passes through the center of mass of the gravitational body that surface is influenced by. |
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| 16:43.43 | JeffM | theme settings would go best in the display menu? |
| 16:45.23 | allejo | votes yes |
| 16:45.39 | allejo | either that or GUI |
| 16:45.49 | JeffM | the GUI generaly refers to the hud |
| 16:46.00 | JeffM | this changes everything BUT the hud :) |
| 16:46.23 | JeffM | so GUI is the last place it should go |
| 16:46.35 | allejo | then display it is |
| 16:48.24 | Juesto | hud stuff should be split in its own setting |
| 16:48.28 | Juesto | setting category |
| 16:49.46 | blast007 | GUI Settings could be renamed to something else as well |
| 16:50.16 | blast007 | is there just going to be a single 'theme' setting? or is there going to be things like sliders to adjust team colors? |
| 16:51.20 | blast007 | and what is the goal of themes? do we really need custom texture packs? |
| 16:51.39 | JeffM | a single theme setting |
| 16:51.47 | JeffM | mostly for tanks and stuff |
| 16:51.53 | JeffM | and colorblind |
| 16:52.11 | JeffM | basicly it'll be the color bind setting, but it will support other setups if people want. |
| 16:52.19 | blast007 | wasn't colorblindness modes going to potentially be done with shaders? |
| 16:52.19 | JeffM | sliders suck, presets are better |
| 16:52.35 | JeffM | the more I read the more that may not work |
| 16:52.40 | blast007 | k |
| 16:52.50 | JeffM | the best way to handle color blindness is to make things be different patterns |
| 16:52.52 | JeffM | rather then colors |
| 16:52.55 | allejo | ^ |
| 16:53.01 | blast007 | I'd still thing colorblindness mode should be specifically that, not a "theme" |
| 16:53.06 | JeffM | a color blind persons color range is just too small |
| 16:53.20 | JeffM | what's the issue allowing people to add more dirs to the folder? |
| 16:54.05 | JeffM | there is no maintenance cost, and the system has to exist for colorbindness |
| 16:54.16 | blast007 | I don't want people to have to much around putting files in places |
| 16:54.23 | blast007 | muck* |
| 16:54.24 | JeffM | it would mean I don't have to write OSDir getNextDir |
| 16:54.34 | JeffM | they don't HAVE to |
| 16:54.36 | JeffM | they can if they want |
| 16:54.39 | JeffM | but they don't HAVE to |
| 16:54.48 | JeffM | it's optional |
| 16:54.50 | blast007 | there's also going to be multiple places to look |
| 16:55.00 | JeffM | how so? |
| 16:55.27 | blast007 | if we do snaps/flatpak, the filesystem that the game lives in is containerized |
| 16:55.42 | blast007 | so I don't know if they can even access the files within there |
| 16:55.45 | JeffM | ok, then it's another search path, the system is already doing that. |
| 16:55.51 | JeffM | that part is trivial |
| 16:55.59 | JeffM | but I can hold off on it if you want. |
| 16:56.14 | blast007 | I think it should be fleshed out a bit more |
| 16:56.27 | JeffM | k |
| 16:56.41 | JeffM | having an external data dir to check first is trival for textures |
| 16:56.49 | JeffM | just tell me how to find it, and I can add that super easy. |
| 16:56.49 | blast007 | I'd like the colorblindness mode to be obvious, and "theme" doesn't immediately bring that to mind |
| 16:56.54 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:57.16 | JeffM | allejo: do you want me to add the colorblind menus then all you have to do is fill in the files in the dirs? |
| 16:57.37 | blast007 | now maybe it could still be a theme, but there would be a separate colorblindness option that overrides/disables the other theme setting |
| 16:58.11 | allejo | JeffM: sure |
| 17:03.56 | JeffM | ok, then texture manager will continue to look for a texture prefix dir, and I'll have the menu set it to one of 2 colorblind types. |
| 17:04.12 | JeffM | and if a theme system is needed later, it can set the same thing |
| 17:04.24 | JeffM | if a third tier search dir is needed, it's easy to add |
| 17:04.31 | JeffM | for containerized stuff |
| 17:04.56 | JeffM | I split the file location stuff into a sub function that can try to find an asset |
| 17:05.10 | JeffM | so it can be called on multiple paths in a search order |
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| 17:05.42 | JeffM | probalby should merge that all into an asset loader, or just into OSFile/Dir |
| 17:06.32 | gartral | hey all, just popping in to say that I've submitted BZFlag to the PenguSpy database, hopefully it gets accepted! |
| 17:07.01 | JeffM | I think I'm also going to write a 9slice quad renderer |
| 17:11.20 | blast007 | gartral: cool, thanks |
| 17:15.20 | gartral | erm... on the forums the "what kinf of vehicles do play in this game" question told me "tanks" was wrong... what am i missing here? |
| 17:15.41 | blast007 | let me check, might be singular 'tank' |
| 17:16.24 | gartral | ok, it's a moot point anyway, it changed questions to "what's the name of this game" and accepteed BZFlag |
| 17:16.53 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:17.22 | blast007 | (I did change it to include the plural) |
| 17:18.02 | gartral | sweet! |
| 17:21.25 | blast007 | macsforme: is the intent to support OpenGL ES for the 2.6 release? if so, we should use something other than GLEW, as it does not support ES. Seems like libepoxy would be a reasonable choice: https://github.com/anholt/libepoxy/blob/master/README.md |
| 17:22.38 | JeffM | if I add any drawing code, I'll be sure to put it in distinct drawing classes so that it's easy to modify |
| 17:23.06 | blast007 | and if we're targeting GL 2.1 or 3.3, CEGUI may now be a viable UI system. "We currently offer implementations for OpenGL 2.X, OpenGL 3.2+ Core Profile, ... and OpenGL ES (experimental)" |
| 17:23.19 | gartral | ok... that was weird, not related to bzflag but my controller just bugged out and wouldn't fire, then steam's OSK popped up and minimized bzflag.. i didn't think that was possible >.> |
| 17:23.32 | JeffM | I thought you wanted 2.6 to be an easy/quick thing to get out. |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM | adding a lib will take time. |
| 17:25.00 | blast007 | I'm not sure if it'll be faster to switch to that if we're wanting unicode support and needing to create new dialogs/widgets. |
| 17:25.17 | JeffM | there is a LOT more testing involved in changing to a lib |
| 17:25.33 | blast007 | (and mouse support) |
| 17:25.47 | JeffM | heh, I was going to hide the mouse :) |
| 17:25.51 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:26.00 | JeffM | and repalce it with a real input GUI |
| 17:26.48 | JeffM | maybe I'll mock that up in unity first |
| 17:26.52 | blast007 | real input GUI being what? |
| 17:27.19 | JeffM | a single on screen GUI item that shows the positions of a tanks input axes |
| 17:27.30 | JeffM | regardless of if it's mouse, kebyaord, gamepad, or joystick |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM | and is independent of actual screen pixels |
| 17:27.45 | blast007 | oh, I was referring to mouse support in the menus |
| 17:27.47 | JeffM | thus allowing for an actual mouse sensitivity |
| 17:27.49 | JeffM | I know |
| 17:27.59 | JeffM | I was going to hide the cursor |
| 17:28.08 | JeffM | because it would not be needed |
| 17:28.23 | JeffM | I'm not sure mouse input makes sense while a game is on |
| 17:28.33 | JeffM | the tank will drive based on your clicks |
| 17:28.46 | JeffM | or do you want to disable mouse driving while the menu is up? |
| 17:29.14 | blast007 | I'd disable all tank movement while the menu or chat input area is up :) |
| 17:29.33 | Juesto | yes that too |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM | ok, then that's fine |
| 17:29.44 | JeffM | the cursor can be hidden while the menu is closed. |
| 17:29.48 | Juesto | mouse isn't disabled when you open the menu |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM | I just don't want them to conflict |
| 17:30.26 | JeffM | my input design should make some things more responsive too |
| 17:30.32 | Juesto | I'd add the line used in observer when you drag the mouse for touch driving indicator |
| 17:30.43 | JeffM | the current system actual has 2 dead areas and people don't realize it. |
| 17:30.52 | Juesto | which |
| 17:31.14 | JeffM | the active input area is a square torus |
| 17:31.15 | blast007 | yeah, I didn't realize until sometime last year that the max speed is reached at the edge of the mouse box |
| 17:31.31 | JeffM | yeah, so if you keep pusing "up", you go past it |
| 17:31.44 | JeffM | and it takes that much time to get back from the top of the screen back into the active area |
| 17:32.20 | JeffM | I'll switch to relative mouse inputs, and have the system track the input axes indepdently in the GUI |
| 17:32.24 | blast007 | on non-Windows platforms, when you have mouse confined to the mousebox, it also can go past that and then snaps back repeatedly, whereas Windows I actually restrict it. |
| 17:32.33 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:32.39 | JeffM | the cursor should not be shown |
| 17:32.53 | JeffM | a cursor is not a good input device for driving a tank :) |
| 17:32.56 | blast007 | so it would be nice if the OS cursor wasn't there cuz it looks even more silly on non-Windows platforms |
| 17:33.15 | JeffM | cursors are for clicking and dragging and bzflag does nether of those while driving. |
| 17:33.24 | JeffM | yeahSDL can turn it off |
| 17:33.27 | JeffM | has a plan |
| 17:33.55 | JeffM | and you'll be able to actualy have *Gasp* a crosshair to aim your friggin tank with |
| 17:35.46 | JeffM | my goals to help you is mostly for quality of life stuff |
| 17:43.45 | Juesto | the restriction for the mouse should be the mouse box not the window |
| 17:44.05 | JeffM | I'm getting rid of the mousebox |
| 17:44.17 | JeffM | it's hard to explain, I need to draw some pictures. |
| 17:46.50 | JeffM | this is a rough idea https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0dJyRdzL/newHUDMockup.png |
| 17:47.28 | JeffM | this is a simpler version of the same idea. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nhxJZxek/Simpler_No_Cursor.png |
| 17:55.21 | Juesto | JeffM: that simple one is more accurate to me, closer to the original |
| 17:55.38 | JeffM | yes, that is why that version exists |
| 17:55.49 | JeffM | it's harder to use, but it is closer to the origonal |
| 17:55.59 | JeffM | the origonal that was made for a mouse cursor that doens't exist anymore |
| 17:56.08 | JeffM | but that is why I want to mock it up |
| 17:56.57 | JeffM | remember that new players don't know about the origonal, so keeping things the same for the 30-40 players that exist now is exceptionally limiting. |
| 17:57.09 | JeffM | and at time determental |
| 17:57.45 | Juesto | harder how |
| 17:58.09 | JeffM | for instance here, the "old" way doesn't have a crosshair |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM | so you are saying you can never have a crosshair, because it's always been a dead sone mouse box |
| 17:58.45 | gartral | you don't really *need* a crosshair >.> |
| 17:58.48 | Juesto | JeffM: how about just a crosshair, altitude and speed as is minus the cursor box |
| 17:58.49 | JeffM | that prevents you from providing an optimal GUI |
| 17:58.59 | Juesto | oh right |
| 17:59.12 | Juesto | but one can't really tell where the center is |
| 17:59.27 | JeffM | it's just that the idea of always doing it "the way it was" prevents you from coming up with the best solution in some cases |
| 17:59.29 | gartral | you learn quick, or you die |
| 17:59.29 | JeffM | exactly |
| 17:59.40 | JeffM | that's not very nice to new players |
| 17:59.54 | JeffM | all the new players you want to bring in from that site you just submited bzflag to |
| 18:00.27 | JeffM | change just for change sake is often unwise, but change for a real reason should not be looked down upon simply because it is change. |
| 18:01.25 | JeffM | people think bzflag was carefully designed to be the way it is, especially in the GUI. It's not, it was just what the author could do way back in the day with the OS and hardware he had. |
| 18:01.27 | Juesto | JeffM: what are those red and blue things |
| 18:01.31 | gartral | i got into bzflag because of that >.> it's a silly added difficulty to an already silly game, and i think it's better for it, adding a crosshair is going to make it too easy and new people are going to get bored quickly.. just my opinion though |
| 18:01.42 | JeffM | Juesto: there is no blue |
| 18:01.47 | Juesto | the good news is that the retro touch is kept |
| 18:01.53 | Juesto | on the oldnew concept |
| 18:02.07 | JeffM | you mean green? |
| 18:02.46 | JeffM | there are bars that show your current speed compared to your desired speed, if accleration is enabled on the server. |
| 18:03.04 | JeffM | you may want to go 100% speed, but it takes time to get to that speed, so the bar fills up |
| 18:03.27 | JeffM | the red is the dead zone |
| 18:03.52 | Juesto | ah okay |
| 18:03.56 | Juesto | makes sense |
| 18:04.13 | Juesto | i would put a transparent indicator |
| 18:04.19 | Juesto | of the same arrow |
| 18:04.33 | JeffM | yeah I made them extra solid and thick for the pixture to show them better |
| 18:04.35 | gartral | you know what I just realized? BZFlag doesn't have a controller set up where I can asign buttons to functions |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM | they'd be more ghosty in a real implementaiton. |
| 18:04.48 | Juesto | gartral: it's input one |
| 18:04.53 | Juesto | you assign there |
| 18:05.04 | Juesto | where you change the binds |
| 18:05.07 | JeffM | bzflag is a very old game, it was made before controllers |
| 18:05.18 | Juesto | controllers can be used |
| 18:05.31 | JeffM | yeah they are treated as joysticks |
| 18:05.36 | Juesto | they must be mapped like you would for a keyboard, right? |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM | lyeah |
| 18:06.00 | JeffM | bzflag doesn't know what contorlle ryou have, so it doesn't show you the buttons to assign actions too |
| 18:06.11 | JeffM | all it knows is the actions, and you assign buttons to them |
| 18:08.02 | Juesto | and not all actions are listed, JeffM |
| 18:08.12 | JeffM | yes, that is by design |
| 18:08.26 | JeffM | bzflag sill knows them, the Menu just chooses not to show them ;) |
| 18:09.44 | gartral | JeffM: ok, but I can't push forward on my controllers left stick and assign that as "fowrward key" in the binds. |
| 18:09.57 | JeffM | no, because that's not a key |
| 18:09.59 | JeffM | that's an axis |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM | like I said, it's a joystick |
| 18:10.17 | JeffM | keys are ether on or off |
| 18:10.25 | JeffM | axis go from 0% to 100% |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM | your sticks are not just on or off. |
| 18:11.26 | Juesto | axis is analog |
| 18:11.30 | JeffM | they should map to the XYZ and R axes |
| 18:11.43 | JeffM | depending on what you have |
| 18:11.45 | Juesto | the sticks have buttons nowadays |
| 18:11.56 | JeffM | yeah on the detent |
| 18:12.08 | JeffM | has done a lot with input mapping |
| 18:12.11 | gartral | JeffM: where do I assign the axis as "go"? cause right now left ad right on left stick goes forward and backward respectively and forward and right on right stick are turn right and left.. (this controller is just plain weird anyway, that's actually how it presents itself to the system) |
| 18:12.23 | Juesto | do bzf have xinput support via sdl? |
| 18:12.29 | JeffM | no |
| 18:12.38 | Juesto | should? |
| 18:12.50 | JeffM | no |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM | I don't belive SDL does xinput |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM | just DX |
| 18:13.45 | JeffM | bzflag does it's own DX calls to get support for force feedback |
| 18:13.50 | gartral | Juesto: xinput should die in the raging fires of the deepest pits in hell, several times, in each. |
| 18:14.00 | JeffM | xinput is a little odd |
| 18:14.14 | JeffM | it's good for xbox controllers, that's about it |
| 18:14.38 | JeffM | cross platform input is a little odd these days |
| 18:14.49 | gartral | JeffM: and god help you if you have a third party xbox controller |
| 18:15.00 | JeffM | yes, hence why it's a little odd |
| 18:15.22 | gartral | hence my comment on how, where and how many times it needs to die |
| 18:15.23 | JeffM | I have a n input manager that tries several APIs to get all the devices it can |
| 18:15.34 | JeffM | hatred leads to suffering. |
| 18:16.09 | JeffM | so you set your joystic axes on the input seetings menu, not the key mapping menu |
| 18:16.18 | JeffM | there are sections for Joystick X and Y axes |
| 18:16.19 | Juesto | JeffM: xbox and clones, PlayStation uses xinput, some logitechs too |
| 18:16.28 | JeffM | set those to the axes you want on your stick. |
| 18:16.46 | JeffM | Juesto: depends on your driver. |
| 18:17.00 | Juesto | well officially stated |
| 18:18.06 | gartral | JeffM: read my message above about how my controller maps. I need individual mappings, per direction agnostic of total axis. |
| 18:18.48 | JeffM | bzflag doesn't support that |
| 18:19.05 | gartral | the real solution would be to get a real controller, but I'm broke @.@ |
| 18:19.23 | JeffM | you can always modify bzflag's code to do what you want |
| 18:19.55 | JeffM | but it sounds like you just have the wrong axes selected |
| 18:19.56 | gartral | won't most servers reject a modified build of the client? |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM | how do they know? |
| 18:20.31 | gartral | there's no client checksum mechanism? |
| 18:20.33 | JeffM | how many axes do you have to choose from in the joystick X axes |
| 18:20.44 | JeffM | oh god no, how would people do development |
| 18:20.52 | JeffM | the bzflag server is in no way authoritive |
| 18:21.01 | JeffM | bzflag was not meant to be played on the internet |
| 18:21.05 | JeffM | it's a LAN game |
| 18:21.28 | gartral | JeffM: X, Y, Z, Rz |
| 18:21.37 | JeffM | try each one of them |
| 18:21.41 | JeffM | see what works out |
| 18:21.52 | JeffM | my guess is you want Z and R |
| 18:22.39 | JeffM | since it defaulted to X and Y and those are the horizontal axes |
| 18:22.45 | JeffM | or maybe Z and Y |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM | one of those combinations should give you what you want |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM | FPS style controls |
| 18:24.47 | gartral | I have, -+X is left/right on stick 1, +Z is down on left stick, +Rz is up on left stick,up right stick is -Y left on right is -Z, right on right -Rz, down right is +Y. the stickes literally map their axis totally fubar |
| 18:25.16 | JeffM | then you may be screwed |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM | or mod the client |
| 18:25.51 | gartral | it's not a BZFlag issue, it's a driver issue, and I lack the skills to modify the relevent driver for this $15 off-brand PS3 controller |
| 18:26.51 | gartral | i wonder... if I add bzflag to steam will bzflag see steam's virtual controller? hmmm.... |
| 18:27.11 | JeffM | anything that registers with directX should show up |
| 18:27.27 | gartral | JeffM: Ubuntu, no directx |
| 18:27.40 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:27.45 | JeffM | then I don't know what that uses |
| 18:27.48 | JeffM | whatever SDL reads |
| 18:28.05 | gartral | right |
| 18:28.22 | JeffM | IIRC there are a few joystick APIs on linux |
| 18:29.05 | gartral | JeffM: there are 5, 6 if you count steam |
| 18:29.38 | JeffM | so it's just as awesome as audio on linux then..... |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | the problem with standards on Linux is that there are so many of them :) |
| 18:31.05 | gartral | JeffM: audio is in better shape than joystick support. Pulse does a good job if it's a little clunky at times, phonon is catching up, and jack... welll... if you HAVE to use jack... then... |
| 18:31.42 | gartral | JeffM: "Heeey... I have an idea on how to do this better" said every api programmer, ever. |
| 18:32.11 | gartral | brb testing steam |
| 18:32.14 | blast007 | gartral: haven't read all the scrollback, so maybe this was answered, but you assign gamepad/joystick buttons on the kep mapping screen |
| 18:32.28 | JeffM | he was trying to assign an axis |
| 18:32.33 | blast007 | k |
| 18:32.41 | JeffM | up on the stick to the forward key |
| 18:32.48 | JeffM | and that don't work like that |
| 18:33.25 | gartral | blast007: my controller is a crack-head -+X is left/right on stick 1, +Z is down on left stick, +Rz is up on left stick,up right stick is -Y left on right is -Z, right on right -Rz, down right is +Y |
| 18:33.40 | gartral | also steam works! yay for virtual remapping |
| 18:33.49 | JeffM | yeah he can't use the normal axes, beacuse his controll does not do linear axis mapping. |
| 18:34.08 | JeffM | it's probalby impelmented in the driver as a hat |
| 18:34.27 | gartral | JeffM: nope, d-pad is the hat, and that works fine |
| 18:35.35 | gartral | JeffM: also I can asign hat as buttons in bzflag, |
| 18:37.26 | gartral | hilarious but totally impractical idea: get my USB atari-style stick and play with that, supplimenting with keyboard! |
| 18:38.27 | gartral | or my wiimote... hmm how would I assign that though >.> |
| 18:39.34 | gartral | derp wiimote and classic controller, that'd be like... perfect |
| 18:40.38 | gartral | brb f this ps3 controller's bs axes |
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| 18:44.48 | Juesto | wiimote: impossible! that got a ton of motion sensors |
| 18:45.03 | Juesto | and very few buttons |
| 18:45.52 | gartral | back |
| 18:47.17 | gartral | Juesto: the classic controller plugs into the ass of the wiimote, and has plenty of buttons and two stick, though it down kinda present with like 8 axes, 12 if you have a motion+ controller |
| 18:47.51 | blast007 | JeffM: looks like SDL2 supports Xinput http://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_HINT_XINPUT_ENABLED |
| 18:48.24 | Juesto | ah okay, it still could be converted to wireless or compatible wired, gartral |
| 18:48.37 | Juesto | yes |
| 18:49.03 | Juesto | blast007: will bzf compile with xinput yet? |
| 18:49.29 | blast007 | Juesto: afaik, we don't currently use SDL for joysticks/gamepads on Windows |
| 18:49.50 | Juesto | why |
| 18:49.52 | blast007 | iirc, I was having difficulty getting force feedback to work |
| 18:49.56 | Juesto | and in linux/mac? |
| 18:50.20 | blast007 | I believe Linux and macOS use it for that |
| 18:50.39 | Juesto | check please? |
| 18:50.51 | blast007 | hands Juesto the bill |
| 18:51.01 | Juesto | nono |
| 18:51.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:51.16 | blast007 | I don't have a mac to verify and I don't have a Linux system nearby |
| 18:51.18 | Juesto | believe < being sure |
| 18:51.47 | Juesto | i do have xinput controller but no batteries and it's wireless |
| 18:52.02 | Juesto | xbox 360 for Windows one |
| 18:52.09 | blast007 | Xinput is a Windows thing |
| 18:52.37 | Juesto | well there's support/ports on linux/mac |
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| 22:49.55 | JeffM | so HUDDialog, HUDui, HuduiControl, HuduiDefaultKey,HuduiLabel,HuduiList,HUDTextureLabel, and HuduiTypeIn all have nothing to do with the hud |
| 22:50.03 | JeffM | yet HudRenderer does.... |
| 22:51.16 | JeffM | I sugest renaming all the HUDui stuff to Menu, and leave HUD has the actual in game GUI |
| 22:52.58 | blast007 | is any of it used for typing chat? |
| 22:53.06 | JeffM | I will look |
| 22:56.30 | JeffM | no, that seems to be something called the "ControlPanel" |
| 22:59.50 | JeffM | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kTxSF41d/ |
| 23:00.23 | JeffM | 4 distinct rendering stages, game hud, radar, chat, menus (called of course "dialogs" in this one place in the code) |
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| 23:42.19 | Guest10527 | Good evening. I have not played bzflag in several years but when I tried to connect with my old login it still says I have to log in with a global account. Is there a web page or something that I can use to reset my old password? |
| 23:46.29 | blast007 | Guest10527: our logins are currently tied to our forum system, so you can use the password reset functionality here: https://forums.bzflag.org/ucp.php?mode=sendpassword |
| 23:50.25 | Guest10527 | Sweet. I guessed my old password and got it right on the forums |
| 23:50.49 | Guest10527 | We are literally talking 5 years ago here. |
| 23:50.55 | Guest10527 | thanks for the help. |
| 23:51.09 | Juesto | okay unknown guy |
| 23:51.49 | Guest10527 | Renny |
| 23:52.49 | blast007 | Guest10527: cool |
| 23:53.20 | blast007 | the forum username/password can be used as the callsign/password on the Join Game menu |
