| 00:03.08 | Foo_man_choo | Ugh!Multiple video cards, multiple drivers [free and non-free] multiple versions of bzflag... I can't figure why I'm getting spanned multi monitor 80% of the time and single 20% of the time :( |
| 00:03.44 | blast007 | you should install Windows ;) |
| 00:03.50 | blast007 | ducks |
| 00:03.52 | Foo_man_choo | My only fix is to shutdown, disconnect one monitor, reboot then st... |
| 00:03.58 | Foo_man_choo | flings poo at blast |
| 00:04.07 | blast007 | too late, I already ducked |
| 00:04.12 | Foo_man_choo | indeed |
| 00:04.23 | Foo_man_choo | Keep your head down.. I got mroe poo |
| 00:04.28 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:05.56 | Foo_man_choo | I just can't figure why nouveau, nvid old, nvid 340, nvid 375 and card 9800 gt, card gt 730 all have the same spanning monitor issue :( |
| 00:06.04 | Foo_man_choo | deb 9 |
| 00:06.33 | Foo_man_choo | I throw money at the problem. It just wont go away. |
| 00:06.38 | blast007 | did you ever ask on their IRC or forums? |
| 00:06.42 | Foo_man_choo | Unless I unplug a monitor and reobot |
| 00:06.52 | Foo_man_choo | hrm |
| 00:07.13 | Foo_man_choo | I guess I could harass #debian |
| 00:07.37 | Foo_man_choo | Then again.. I'm now considering a 1030 or 1050 ti |
| 00:08.19 | Foo_man_choo | Usually I get dissed though on the whole free game thing :( |
| 00:08.40 | blast007 | free game thing? |
| 00:09.01 | blast007 | oh, a free game with the purchase of a video card? |
| 00:09.05 | Foo_man_choo | We aren't as mainstream |
| 00:09.39 | Foo_man_choo | uses -window again |
| 00:12.47 | Foo_man_choo | Yeah.. window |
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| 00:41.05 | Juesto | sup |
| 00:41.21 | Juesto | macsforme: hey |
| 00:43.30 | Juesto | so yeah i did config correctly and it doesn't work |
| 00:45.22 | Foo_man_choo | I feel associated with a zeitgeist I'd rather not be associated with 9X |
| 00:52.20 | macsforme | hello Juesto |
| 00:52.41 | macsforme | remind me what we are talking about? |
| 01:00.53 | blast007 | adding additional fonts to the macOS .app |
| 01:04.48 | macsforme | why do I have no memory of this conversation? :P |
| 01:05.21 | blast007 | because you weren't part of it, yet |
| 01:05.39 | macsforme | ah |
| 01:06.10 | blast007 | it's several screens up in the backlog |
| 01:10.13 | macsforme | ah, didn't scroll back up far enough |
| 01:12.32 | macsforme | Juesto: yeah it should work as far as I know... if you want to send me your config (minus password) and your modified game .app, I'd be happy to take a look |
| 01:12.59 | macsforme | or you could try running with a few -ddddd and see if it spits out any issues |
| 01:14.05 | macsforme | also the .app is signed, so I don't know what happens exactly when you change the contents |
| 01:14.52 | macsforme | see if you have the data directory pointed at something else in your config |
| 01:18.44 | macsforme | I'll try copying ProFont in on my end to see what it does |
| 01:38.05 | Juesto | macsforme: it's the standard build |
| 01:38.13 | Juesto | didn't compile |
| 01:40.32 | macsforme | well, it just worked for me with a fresh build... let me try copying them into the official 2.4.14 .app |
| 01:41.47 | macsforme | that worked too |
| 01:43.24 | macsforme | not sure what to tell you |
| 01:45.14 | macsforme | you have "set consoleFont ProFont" in your configuration? |
| 01:46.40 | macsforme | and you have no "set directory ...." pointing somewhere else? |
| 02:49.53 | Juesto | macsforme: that's right |
| 03:20.27 | macsforme | I don't know, then... if you want to send me your application and configuration, I can look into it |
| 03:23.43 | Juesto | I'll check permissions |
| 03:28.23 | Juesto | apparently writing over samba makes it 0600 |
| 03:28.33 | Juesto | sorry for the hassle |
| 03:48.44 | Juesto | ugh |
| 03:49.05 | Juesto | i have list but i get server not found when i try to connect |
| 04:08.23 | Juesto | ... |
| 04:49.56 | JeffM | Maybe they deprecated sockets and now everyone has to use there new api âpacketâ |
| 05:18.20 | Juesto | JeffM: I'm on Sierra |
| 05:18.40 | Juesto | another server worked |
| 05:19.11 | Juesto | question, how do i build the cache txt? |
| 05:19.19 | Juesto | is it really necessary for the game? |
| 05:20.01 | JeffM | Anything the game needs should be auto generated |
| 05:21.19 | Juesto | i literally have 25fps |
| 05:21.26 | Juesto | 26 at most |
| 05:21.39 | Juesto | 271ms fixed lag |
| 05:21.40 | Juesto | lol |
| 05:21.51 | Juesto | time: 0/1/271ms |
| 05:21.53 | JeffM | Low FPS can add lag |
| 05:22.03 | JeffM | What video card? |
| 05:22.07 | Juesto | it's mac |
| 05:22.11 | Juesto | igfx, iris |
| 05:22.13 | Juesto | at least |
| 05:22.35 | Juesto | lol |
| 05:22.39 | JeffM | Apples gl drivers also suck, |
| 05:22.52 | JeffM | Changing some settings may help |
| 05:23.12 | Juesto | apparently using a software causes the system to have low fps unless it's gone or in foreground anywhere on the screen even a tiny bit |
| 05:23.27 | Juesto | 300 fps but still same timing |
| 05:24.23 | JeffM | Boot camp that sucker |
| 05:25.35 | Juesto | mac mini late 2014 i5 8gb configuration |
| 05:26.30 | Juesto | at least it's something okay |
| 05:26.37 | Juesto | okay-ish |
| 05:27.30 | Juesto | may i ask random offtopic question? |
| 05:42.39 | JeffM | So a current Mac mini |
| 05:42.50 | JeffM | You can always ask things |
| 07:29.12 | Juesto | how one extracts the music from a wii? eg, how do i grab the raw sound of the mii channel music? |
| 07:30.28 | Juesto | not trusting downloads out there because 1) they are compressed 2) bad recording 3) fake 4) artifacts/bad quality |
| 07:30.55 | Juesto | that's more a question for dolphin but I'm banned |
| 07:34.12 | Juesto | this is more a question about converting the target not the actual extraction |
| 07:34.54 | Juesto | >current mac mini |
| 07:35.13 | Juesto | nope, it's time for a new one to come |
| 10:10.29 | blast007 | Juesto: but it is a current mac mini |
| 10:10.40 | blast007 | if you buy one know, you get the same as what you have |
| 11:18.31 | JeffM | Yeah they havenât updated it since 2014 |
| 11:23.37 | blast007 | s/know/now/ |
| 11:38.34 | JeffM | And they will gladly charge you the same price for a 5 generation old cpu. |
| 11:38.54 | JeffM | They must make so much profit on that little guy |
| 11:44.44 | JeffM | At some point intel has to stop making haswell parts |
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| 12:11.56 | blast007 | wow, even I figured they probably dropped the price a *little* bit.. but no.. https://web.archive.org/web/20150719050352/https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini vs https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini |
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| 13:42.22 | Charles123 | hi |
| 13:42.43 | blast007 | hello |
| 13:42.49 | Charles123 | hi blast |
| 13:44.53 | Charles123 | can i get unbanned from allejo's server now or i need to carry on till one of us give up? |
| 13:44.56 | Charles123 | lol |
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| 13:45.26 | blast007 | had a feeling |
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| 14:12.41 | JeffM | Yeah itâs the exact same price as launch |
| 14:30.58 | JeffM | Intel lists the entire set of cpus as discontinued |
| 14:32.12 | JeffM | And no new hardware was announced at the wwdc |
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| 14:40.16 | DaynaC | I have a DDoS Website, and i have customers... i won't lose anything, also keep in mind that i am just using a few Mbit/s... i won't lose money. And if i want i will write a script to DoS all bzflag ports on allejo's server so that nobody can play on allejo's server, and i won't stop if you ignore me, then ignore me as much as you want. And i am using VPN to write this so you can't say i am blackmailing you... Let's DoS for the next 30 |
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| 14:54.54 | JeffM | allejo: I have some plans to help your custom flag plugin when Iâm done with my shot stuff |
| 15:13.16 | JeffM | I have a git question, if I do a bunch of commits to a branch, is there a way to combine them all into one before pushing or making a PR? |
| 15:17.07 | blast007 | make a backup first, and then see if this does what you're wanting: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6934752/combining-multiple-commits-before-pushing-in-git#6934882 |
| 15:18.59 | JeffM | oh, that's what squash is |
| 15:19.09 | JeffM | looks like there is a clicky way https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12528854/how-to-perform-rebase-squash-using-tortoisegit |
| 16:13.42 | blast007 | https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/commit/ca1dd6a9eb18e977b7630da20743776ffd95ff3e is pkg-config a new dependency we have now? on a clean Debian install, 2.4 no longer builds after this |
| 16:14.09 | blast007 | ./configure: line 3894: syntax error near unexpected token `ncurses,' |
| 16:14.10 | blast007 | ./configure: line 3894: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ncurses, ncurses,' |
| 16:45.11 | blast007 | "contains multiple platforms" ? |
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| 16:45.27 | blast007 | it's Windows only right now |
| 16:56.55 | JeffM | whoot... it actualy compiles :) |
| 16:56.58 | JeffM | now to make it work |
| 17:03.48 | blast007 | those two lines describe my OpenAL branch so far ;) |
| 17:04.03 | JeffM | big changes are fun arn't they? :) |
| 17:04.25 | JeffM | I've got the client working from a global shot list, with GUIDs |
| 17:04.35 | JeffM | and all the shots are now smart pointers |
| 17:04.55 | JeffM | and the circular crap with shot paths, shots, and shot strategies is now resolved |
| 17:05.10 | JeffM | and the reload is decoupled from the shot lifetimes. |
| 17:05.24 | JeffM | and no more shot salt values. |
| 17:09.50 | JeffM | the very fact that a salt value had to be computed for shots should have shown that the local ID thing was flawed. |
| 17:19.10 | tupone | JeffM: I use git rebase -i |
| 17:20.02 | tupone | I reorganize the commit in the sequence I want and the squash what I want |
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| 17:24.04 | JeffM | linx gets it from the package managers of that distro |
| 17:24.19 | JeffM | I belive he'll eventualy get it setup for OSX |
| 17:24.23 | JeffM | that's the plan |
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| 17:24.41 | JeffM | we don't want to provide depdencies for evertyhing |
| 17:24.47 | JeffM | we used to do that by including them in the sources. |
| 17:24.57 | JeffM | that's what we are moving away from. |
| 17:25.11 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:25.48 | JeffM | he'll get to OSX at some point |
| 17:26.07 | JeffM | if you want to make an OSX script feel free, submit it as a pull request to that repo |
| 17:30.22 | JeffM | you may want to discuss that with macsforme, he's making changes to the osx build system I believe using premake |
| 17:30.43 | JeffM | we don't activly try to keep irix working |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM | nor any of the others. |
| 17:31.27 | JeffM | not officially mintained |
| 17:31.34 | JeffM | yeah we just don't ensure they work |
| 17:31.40 | JeffM | someone can make them work, but it won't be us |
| 17:35.43 | blast007 | I removed the rest of irix support a while back |
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| 17:36.11 | Juesto | so there we go, officially unsupported ;) |
| 17:36.23 | Juesto | oh lol |
| 17:36.27 | Juesto | didn't realize that |
| 17:36.55 | JeffM | there is only so much the project can be expected to maintain, and irix and stuff can't do newer GL and things. |
| 17:37.29 | blast007 | and I have a lot of computers, but an SGI workstation isn't one of them |
| 17:37.32 | Juesto | ah, well newer versions can be adapted to older versions |
| 17:37.42 | Juesto | older platforms* |
| 17:37.45 | JeffM | I had an SGI, just could never get the OS installed |
| 17:37.55 | blast007 | Juesto: nope... |
| 17:38.02 | Juesto | oh? |
| 17:38.09 | blast007 | it's not just about getting it to complile |
| 17:38.30 | blast007 | you won't have good enough hardware to run 2.6 on an irix system |
| 17:38.48 | Juesto | huh |
| 17:39.01 | blast007 | so even if you could shoehorn in a gcc version that supported C++11, it wouldn't run |
| 17:39.11 | Juesto | so we've reached the point where bzf is beyond the older systems capacity |
| 17:39.12 | blast007 | irix is dead |
| 17:39.30 | blast007 | yeah, we're targeting like 2008+ now |
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| 17:39.56 | Juesto | ah, cloak reminder |
| 17:40.05 | JeffM | IRIX7 only supported GL 1.3 |
| 17:40.38 | Juesto | bzf ever ran on beos? |
| 17:40.44 | JeffM | once |
| 17:40.46 | JeffM | long ago |
| 17:40.58 | Juesto | ah |
| 17:41.12 | Juesto | wondering about haiku's ogl support |
| 17:41.18 | blast007 | it might still work, but I don't think anyone tests it |
| 17:41.21 | Juesto | how about unix and bsd? |
| 17:41.36 | blast007 | bsd should be similar to linux |
| 17:41.37 | JeffM | people have built the server for BSD I know |
| 17:41.43 | Juesto | haiku's the "successor" of beos afaik |
| 17:41.46 | JeffM | yeah that's not that far off the track |
| 17:42.01 | JeffM | yeah they had it runing on haiku at some point too |
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| 17:42.05 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15macsforme closed pull request #62: premake build system (062.4...06premake) 02https://git.io/vMp6F |
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| 17:42.22 | Juesto | right, there's a widespread gnu ports for bsd |
| 17:42.33 | Juesto | oh huh |
| 17:42.54 | Juesto | i think standard make would do just fine on mac actually |
| 17:43.02 | Juesto | not really necessary to have premake |
| 17:43.11 | JeffM | it can, that's how it used to build |
| 17:43.18 | JeffM | but you want to use xcode to sign it and all that |
| 17:43.23 | JeffM | and build the bundles |
| 17:43.24 | Juesto | right |
| 17:43.39 | JeffM | you CAN build linux style on OSX, but it runs linux style |
| 17:43.54 | blast007 | Juesto: afaik, the premake would make the xcode project files |
| 17:44.03 | Juesto | ah right |
| 17:44.08 | Juesto | just like cmake |
| 17:44.11 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:44.11 | JeffM | yeah that's the point of it, to auto gen platform specific stuff |
| 17:44.23 | Juesto | i see |
| 17:45.29 | Juesto | about what i asked earlier, I guess nobody has an idea |
| 17:45.41 | Juesto | earlier or yesterday |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM | that type of thing isn't usualy discussed here |
| 17:45.54 | blast007 | this isn't wii support |
| 17:45.54 | Juesto | right |
| 17:45.55 | JeffM | we kind of respect copyright because that's what keeps bzflag open source. |
| 17:46.09 | Juesto | blast007: i know... |
| 17:46.55 | Juesto | well... xcode can do CLI builds i guess? |
| 17:47.08 | Juesto | i mean, one could do .app via make |
| 17:47.16 | JeffM | sure if you set it up right |
| 17:47.24 | Juesto | dolphin does it that way |
| 17:47.27 | JeffM | it's just easier to develop in xcode for the people that work on bzflag in xcode. |
| 17:47.51 | Juesto | cmake -> gnu make generator -> make .app |
| 17:47.59 | Juesto | yeah of course |
| 17:48.55 | JeffM | and windows could be done in minGW with make, but who wants that? |
| 17:49.00 | Juesto | i would just leave both options open to mac users |
| 17:49.10 | blast007 | mac users can already build via make |
| 17:49.16 | JeffM | the vast majority of mac users don't build ether |
| 17:49.20 | Juesto | but not an .app |
| 17:49.23 | JeffM | mac users are clicky people |
| 17:49.31 | blast007 | no, because that's not what you do when you build with make |
| 17:49.40 | blast007 | make is the unixy way, not the apple way |
| 17:49.50 | blast007 | so it builds and installs the unixy way |
| 17:49.52 | JeffM | you are using the unix tools, you get a unic build :) |
| 17:50.13 | Juesto | now i wonder why dolphin does .app builds with make lol |
| 17:50.23 | blast007 | because they can |
| 17:50.28 | JeffM | or it's easier for them |
| 17:50.28 | Juesto | xD |
| 17:50.31 | Juesto | oh well |
| 17:50.48 | JeffM | more than likely they have no mac developers so some linux guy "just figured it out" the only way they knew how |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM | do they do windows builds in minGW too? |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM | I've seen projects that go makefile all the way and go through all kinds of packaging hoops |
| 17:51.16 | Juesto | no, that's msvc |
| 17:51.22 | JeffM | usualy when all the devs are linux only |
| 17:51.28 | JeffM | then they have some windows devs |
| 17:51.29 | Juesto | lol |
| 17:51.42 | JeffM | every project is different |
| 17:52.13 | Juesto | but hey, one can learn some methods from different projects :) |
| 17:52.26 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:52.34 | blast007 | like bad ones from BZFlag |
| 17:52.41 | JeffM | they may be stupid methods :) |
| 17:52.49 | Juesto | im like, why not a make rule for .app creation |
| 17:53.03 | blast007 | because that's more work for us for no gain |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM | becuse it's not worth the overall effort to maintain |
| 17:53.12 | Juesto | aw |
| 17:53.22 | blast007 | we already have one way of making .app files, and that's the way we'll keep using |
| 17:53.30 | blast007 | there's no need to have 50 ways to build |
| 17:53.37 | JeffM | and it signs them so we can have them run without warnings. |
| 17:53.39 | Juesto | xcode is chunky |
| 17:53.54 | blast007 | well stop using 2014 low-end tech |
| 17:53.59 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:54.01 | JeffM | or bootcamp it |
| 17:54.05 | macsforme | I actually use a command-line tool to sign the builds, not Xcode |
| 17:54.10 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:54.23 | Juesto | lol, this mini does 4k60 in final cut pro x |
| 17:54.30 | JeffM | good for it |
| 17:54.37 | JeffM | so did a laptop from 2013 |
| 17:54.38 | blast007 | Juesto: yet you can't run an IDE? |
| 17:54.56 | Juesto | blast007: i can, it's just slow |
| 17:55.00 | macsforme | Juesto: it can edit it, but it just can't play it back at that rate, right? :P |
| 17:55.13 | JeffM | the mac mini was proudly anounced to have the latest intel 4th generation CPUs, 8th gen are currently shipping.... |
| 17:55.22 | Juesto | macsforme: it can, exported |
| 17:55.42 | macsforme | the 2014 mac mini cannot drive a 4k display at 60Hz |
| 17:55.50 | JeffM | I do wonder if apple is just burning through all the old stock on those chipsets |
| 17:55.51 | macsforme | this is a widely known fact |
| 17:56.05 | JeffM | or if intel is making more just for them. |
| 17:56.11 | Juesto | it certainly cannot but it can play such video quality |
| 17:56.30 | Juesto | probably stock |
| 17:56.32 | Juesto | who knows |
| 17:57.01 | blast007 | they know a guy |
| 17:57.06 | Juesto | oh? |
| 17:57.26 | blast007 | sells bulk quantities of old Intel processors from the trunk of his car |
| 17:57.31 | Juesto | macsforme: do you fully cli build? |
| 17:57.56 | macsforme | no, I build with Xcode and then use codesign on the terminal |
| 17:58.01 | Juesto | ah |
| 17:58.10 | Juesto | xcode cli or just gui? |
| 17:58.19 | macsforme | if Xcode was set up to sign by default, I don't think that would work when someone else checks out the code and doesn't have my keys on their system |
| 17:58.27 | macsforme | Xcode GUI |
| 17:58.35 | Juesto | it can be configured to do gui signing |
| 17:58.44 | blast007 | can you have a 'release + signed' build target? |
| 17:58.44 | Juesto | ah yes |
| 17:58.46 | macsforme | I just explained why I don't do that |
| 17:58.48 | Juesto | that's the thing |
| 17:59.16 | Juesto | well, bzf qualifies for app store but the license doesn't |
| 17:59.25 | blast007 | Juesto: the license is fine |
| 17:59.28 | blast007 | we're dual licensed |
| 17:59.36 | macsforme | blast007: probably, but this way seems simpler to me |
| 17:59.47 | Juesto | so, why it's not on the apple's app store |
| 18:00.35 | macsforme | I believe one of the reasons was that Apple requires IPv6 support |
| 18:00.45 | Juesto | dafuq |
| 18:00.51 | Juesto | really? |
| 18:00.52 | macsforme | at least on the iOS side |
| 18:01.12 | macsforme | also, language please |
| 18:01.24 | Juesto | whoops :( |
| 18:01.52 | blast007 | "We will be reviewing on an IPv6 network, so if your app isnât compatible with the IPv6 addressing, it may fail during review." https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#software-requirements |
| 18:02.14 | Juesto | so add support? |
| 18:02.29 | Juesto | doesn't really matter whatever there's ipv6 servers |
| 18:02.42 | blast007 | adding support isn't just a button |
| 18:02.50 | blast007 | we have to write a new authentication system too |
| 18:03.39 | Juesto | oh right |
| 18:03.41 | Juesto | detp |
| 18:03.47 | Juesto | derp |
| 18:04.08 | Juesto | I'm sure you can take some shortcuts there |
| 18:04.15 | blast007 | IPv6 support is a goal for 2.6 |
| 18:04.22 | Juesto | ah good |
| 18:09.05 | macsforme | blast007: how do you package the dependencies after you build them? do you manually create the containing folder and copy the output-* and licenses directories to it? |
| 18:09.34 | blast007 | yeah, I just highlight the three directories and right click and use 7zip's context menu |
| 18:17.45 | Juesto | :p |
| 18:18.22 | Juesto | macsforme: you working on tidying mac bzf i guess? |
| 18:20.17 | macsforme | yes, there are several things to do |
| 18:21.49 | macsforme | Juesto: also, if you ever get tired of Apple dragging their feet on Mac mini updates (as I did), I am building one of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2ZSie7zeU |
| 18:25.55 | macsforme | blast007: what do we want for a directory structure for our dependencies going forward, assuming people will copy the dependencies directory straight into the bzflag source code root directory? |
| 18:26.35 | Juesto | macsforme: ah, that's a simple hwid change :) |
| 18:26.45 | Juesto | nothing that new |
| 18:27.05 | Juesto | ah hardware... |
| 18:27.15 | Juesto | well that's the most complicated part |
| 18:27.45 | macsforme | something like dependencies/IDE-[release|debug]-architecture/...? |
| 18:28.11 | macsforme | yes, it will be a 12-core 3.46GHz Xeon system |
| 18:29.08 | macsforme | should end up under $2k too, counting the value of the SSD and GPU I already have |
| 18:33.21 | JeffM | macsforme: that reminds me of the G3 upgrades for the old PPC systems |
| 18:33.53 | macsforme | yeah sorta |
| 18:34.14 | JeffM | "Shove this in your case, and it's sort of a G3/G4 |
| 19:00.56 | JeffM | the server will have a better idea of the reload state of each player when I'm done with my changes too, that will help SSPs shoot. |
| 19:01.15 | JeffM | currently the reload times are only updated/checked when a client fires a shot or updates a GM |
| 19:01.34 | JeffM | the server can't check at any point in time to see how the reloads are going. |
| 19:01.47 | Juesto | lol huh |
| 19:01.55 | JeffM | oh the server is very dumb |
| 19:02.01 | JeffM | it had very little info about shots |
| 19:02.12 | JeffM | it did not track where they were |
| 19:02.14 | blast007 | macsforme: I'm leaning towards having them dump the output-* and licenses directories into a 'dependencies' folder at the root of the source |
| 19:02.27 | Juesto | better |
| 19:03.01 | Juesto | but it's partially leaning back |
| 19:08.01 | blast007 | and yeah, <platform/environment>-<release|debug>-<arch> is fine with me |
| 19:12.06 | macsforme | okay, sounds good |
| 19:20.08 | JeffM | I'm also splitting up shooting and adding a new message, clients will send MsgFireShot, servers will send MsgShotBegin |
| 19:21.00 | JeffM | the client will still create the local shot with MsgFireShot so no behavior changes, the messages just make more sense going forward, the client is saying/asking to fire a shot, and it's not a real shot until the server gives it back with a start. |
| 19:21.13 | JeffM | it'll make future authoritive server stuff read better. |
| 19:23.27 | blast007 | JeffM: sounds good |
| 19:24.52 | JeffM | and MsgMakeBoomBoom was too long |
| 19:28.58 | allejo | +1 for MsgMakeBoomBoom |
| 19:34.37 | JeffM | I have added plan outline comments to the 4 issues I've assigned to myself |
| 19:37.20 | JeffM | there is no way to do issue dependencies in github is there? |
| 19:38.30 | allejo | https://probot.github.io/apps/dep/ |
| 19:38.44 | allejo | that's the closest you'll get |
| 19:39.22 | JeffM | yeah, was hoping for more :) |
| 19:40.17 | allejo | an org owner would have to configure that bot, else just mention issue #'s |
| 19:42.31 | macsforme | blast007: does "set origroot=%~dp0" give the full path of the directory containing the script? |
| 19:44.13 | blast007 | yep |
| 19:50.09 | blast007 | it might get the path in 8.3 name format |
| 19:52.38 | blast007 | on Windows 7, at least, I'm getting the full names. someone on Windows 10 was getting shortened names. https://superuser.com/questions/1284369/how-to-get-dp0-in-long-name-format |
| 19:52.51 | blast007 | (should work regardless) |
| 20:08.47 | macsforme | so the libpng source code in the bzflag-dependencies repository doesn't have a configure script? |
| 20:10.31 | macsforme | I thought official releases from them already come with one generated |
| 20:11.18 | blast007 | I probably pulled it from their git |
| 20:11.38 | blast007 | I'll probably just stop doing that and grab release tars |
| 20:17.53 | macsforme | that would make things easier on the mac side of things |
| 20:22.05 | blast007 | I had started off using git subtrees for most everything, but then I noticed that curl/c-ares tags didn't match their release files and other issues like that |
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| 21:28.53 | Juesto | macsforme: if you're up to ready 2.4 deps for mac let me know |
| 21:32.09 | macsforme | I don't know if it will go in 2.4 or not |
| 21:32.39 | macsforme | it probably could, but it's part of the bigger change over to premake on macOS |
| 21:33.08 | macsforme | which is going into master |
| 21:33.09 | blast007 | I think it's more useful for 2.6 because of the additional dependencies |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM | there is already a 2.4 build for players to use, and there should not be that much dev on 2.4, the few devs that may do backports can get help getting setup |
| 21:45.56 | JeffM | yay... I can shoot |
| 21:46.11 | JeffM | the shots never end, and you can only shoot once. but that's better than notthin |
| 21:52.30 | blast007 | "Everybody gets one..." |
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| 21:59.22 | JeffM | at least the client side SmartBullets⢠seem to be working. Server can't create a shot record to save it's life but the client's working. |
| 22:17.17 | JeffM | now you get more than one, but the third and higher shot never move. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jhxGPcac/ |
| 22:21.39 | macsforme | anyone know of a way to build SDL 2 in debug mode with gnu make? there's nothing in configure -help, and all I could find was this: https://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?p=36158 |
| 22:22.32 | macsforme | I guess I could see how the -dbg versions of their packages are built in linux, if they even still do that |
| 22:23.42 | macsforme | yeah, I guess they don't build them anymore (on debian at least) |
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| 22:25.00 | Juesto | I'm trying to get a mac bzf compiled |
| 22:25.03 | Juesto | and 2.4 |
| 22:25.14 | Juesto | yes I'd prefer to have the deps together |
| 22:25.23 | JeffM | macsforme: https://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?p=36158 |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM | they say -g |
| 22:26.46 | Zehra | Random question, how many zones can be added in a specific place/placed inside each other? |
| 22:26.58 | JeffM | N |
| 22:28.54 | JeffM | they are just map objects |
| 22:29.47 | Zehra | whew |
| 22:30.00 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.25 | Zehra | I was concerned of possible conflict with too many zones or having too many of them would mess with BZFS. |
| 22:32.56 | JeffM | how? |
| 22:33.38 | blast007 | the bits would get too hot and would expand to fill the entire known universe |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM | ZoneList is just a vector |
| 22:34.46 | JeffM | so it'll go until the OS won't allocate anymore chunks |
| 22:35.01 | Zehra | oh, okay. |
| 22:35.40 | Zehra | I really haven't seen maps making excessive use of zones, so I was a bit skeptical if there was more reason for this. :/ |
| 22:36.02 | JeffM | generaly you don't need that many |
| 22:36.19 | JeffM | and I don't belive you have controll over the sort order that will be used for nested zones. |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM | so that may not be as useful as you think |
| 22:39.30 | Zehra | That's good, I sort of was concerned if there had to be any other specifics to it, which might cause unintended effects. |
| 22:39.52 | JeffM | you didn't read what I said did you? |
| 22:40.50 | Zehra | I might be misunderstanding this, but I thought that there might be some sort of limits or having to set zones before the other...etc.. |
| 22:41.18 | JeffM | no, there are no limits, but if you have nested zones and expect ONLY the inner most zone to have an effect, you'll be wrong |
| 22:41.27 | JeffM | every zone is treated seperately |
| 22:41.45 | Zehra | That's what I'm glad to hear. |
| 22:41.51 | JeffM | if you are expecting zome kind of zone interaction, you won't go to space today. |
| 22:42.07 | JeffM | did you finish your flag assignment plugin rewrite? |
| 22:42.52 | Zehra | I'm going to test it very soon. |
| 22:43.13 | Zehra | I'm planning on using zones, so I can control where and the amount of points used. |
| 22:43.26 | JeffM | can I see what you have so far? |
| 22:44.05 | Zehra | Let me get ready for a copy paste, I'm using parts of the custom zone plug-in for it, along with wwzones. |
| 22:47.03 | Zehra | https://pastebin.com/CUgFHg7W |
| 22:48.02 | Zehra | Still some errors to work out, but basically this is what I'm trying to do. |
| 22:48.57 | JeffM | so a zone can only have one flag? |
| 22:49.00 | JeffM | why not have a list of them? |
| 22:50.34 | allejo | because that's the same plugin in our repo and he hasn't modified to support more than one flag? |
| 22:50.43 | allejo | s/same/sample/ |
| 22:50.54 | JeffM | the word "nubs" did look familiar |
| 22:52.38 | Zehra | Anyways, the goal is not to have a bunch of flags stuck with a single limit... :p |
| 22:53.05 | JeffM | they don't have to have a single limit, but a zone could define multiple flags each with it's own limit |
| 22:53.07 | JeffM | it's just a list |
| 22:53.41 | JeffM | you get all the lines in the map object, you can just do GM 1,3 \r\n SB 4,6\r\n |
| 22:54.28 | Zehra | I'm pretty clueless with making this happen. My skill is not yet at that level. |
| 22:54.40 | JeffM | hmmmm, probalby should add arbitary key/value pairs to flag instances when I redo the flag API |
| 22:54.51 | JeffM | Zehra: we know hence why we keep telling you to learn the basics, but you won't |
| 22:55.04 | allejo | ^ |
| 22:55.33 | JeffM | with arbitary data, you could attach the score limits to the actual flags. |
| 22:56.31 | allejo | on a related note, I'd want to have arbitrary data attached to players too |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM | when I finish the shot and flag type stuff, what you can do in a plugin will be a little bit awesome. |
| 22:56.38 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:56.43 | JeffM | that's easy |
| 22:57.08 | JeffM | barely and inconenience. |
| 23:01.20 | JeffM | dude, it's already in the header, it's just not hooked up |
| 23:03.49 | allejo | *coughs* |
| 23:04.15 | JeffM | it's almost done |
| 23:06.42 | JeffM | I'm not 100% sure how that code ever compiled.... |
| 23:06.56 | Zehra | Mine? |
| 23:06.58 | JeffM | no |
| 23:07.01 | JeffM | bzfs |
| 23:07.16 | blast007 | Zehra: your code we are pretty sure about |
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| 23:09.37 | BZnotify | [13bzflag] 15JeffM2501 pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vh2eQ |
| 23:09.37 | BZnotify | 13bzflag/06master 1493d5226 15JeffM2501: add support for custom data for players that the API can access |
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| 23:09.41 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 23:11.16 | allejo | :D |
| 23:11.23 | JeffM | Zehra: are you using some odd editor? |
| 23:12.18 | Zehra | I'm using Visual Studio. |
| 23:12.38 | JeffM | ok, then you just don't care about having nice indents. |
| 23:14.31 | JeffM | ok, so I'm rebasing my branch to the commit I just made |
| 23:14.44 | JeffM | I had a conflict in GameKeeper.h |
| 23:14.57 | JeffM | I resolved it by editing the file to keep both changes. |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM | now it wants me to commit. that's going to commit to my local, not the upstream master that I'm rebasing from right? |
| 23:16.07 | allejo | upstream wouldn't change unless you push |
| 23:16.19 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM | just making sure, because this stuff is so very not ready for primetime |
| 23:17.06 | JeffM | it's not even ready for cable local access at 3AM |
| 23:23.25 | Juesto | oof |
| 23:26.10 | allejo | does VS support javadoc style (/**) comments for documenting functions? |
| 23:29.44 | JeffM | not in C++ |
| 23:29.49 | JeffM | C# has a /// thing |
| 23:30.20 | allejo | yea, it's /// + xml. so c++ gets no love from vs? |
| 23:30.41 | JeffM | less |
| 23:30.59 | JeffM | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vX7NRpRs/ |
| 23:31.10 | JeffM | that? |
| 23:31.19 | allejo | yea |
| 23:31.50 | JeffM | it probalby requires something like reflection in order to build up the param list |
| 23:32.01 | JeffM | and VC doesn't do a lot of that, but they do work on it. |
| 23:33.22 | JeffM | hmm looks like it may be a thing you can turn on for C++ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/ide/xml-documentation-visual-cpp |
| 23:34.10 | allejo | bleh |
| 23:34.40 | JeffM | there are probably add-ins that do it. |
| 23:34.44 | allejo | I was wondering if there could be a common ground for documenting at least something like the bzfsAPI header across IDEs/platforms |
| 23:35.03 | JeffM | we can rewrite the API in C# |
| 23:35.27 | allejo | not exactly what I had in mind lol |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM | fine. |
| 23:35.36 | JeffM | we'll do the entire server then |
| 23:36.01 | allejo | sold |
| 23:36.39 | JeffM | then you could just write plugins in python |
| 23:37.31 | allejo | what about javascript support? |
| 23:37.41 | JeffM | yeah javascript.net |
| 23:37.54 | Zehra | There was at least 4 plug-ins for different programming languages made... Lua, Ruby, JavaScript and Python. |
| 23:38.20 | JeffM | anything that can compile down to a CLR dll |
| 23:38.26 | JeffM | Zehra: yes they mostly failed. |
| 23:38.35 | allejo | I'm terrified that this actually exists, https://github.com/JavascriptNet/Javascript.Net |
| 23:38.50 | JeffM | that's how to imbed JS in .net |
| 23:39.31 | JeffM | iron python does the same thing for python |
| 23:41.18 | JeffM | updateshot |
| 23:41.21 | JeffM | ww |
| 23:42.51 | JeffM | should 2.5 be using it's own copy of the client config? |
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| 23:50.25 | macsforme | if there have been any changes to the client configuration, probably |
| 23:51.15 | JeffM | Yeah is added the skin id |
| 23:51.50 | JeffM | So I guess that means every time 2.4 is run, the skin goes back to the default |