| 00:10.35 | blast007 | huh, actually it's not just -solo bots.. I can't shoot at all |
| 00:10.47 | blast007 | let me rebuild and make sure it's not just something wonky here |
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| 00:22.16 | JeffM | even had logging code to make sure the global ID stuff was coming back correctly. |
| 00:22.28 | JeffM | maybe a change after broke it though |
| 00:22.51 | JeffM | I'm on my own tonight, so I will have time to test it out. |
| 00:22.52 | blast007 | on linux I generally can't shoot |
| 00:23.11 | blast007 | on Windows, if the shot ends early the reload on that shot stops |
| 00:23.26 | JeffM | hmm ok |
| 00:23.45 | blast007 | (at least on a linux bzfs - let me try a Windows bzfs) |
| 00:24.41 | JeffM | I'm building all now |
| 00:28.58 | blast007 | seems to behave the same with a windows bzfs |
| 00:29.10 | JeffM | k |
| 00:29.37 | JeffM | there is an interaction between the endshot and the slot, but it's only supposed to clear the shotptr, not change the reload |
| 00:29.48 | JeffM | the reload is just at timer. |
| 00:31.30 | JeffM | yeah I can dupe here. |
| 00:31.38 | JeffM | looking into it. |
| 00:31.46 | JeffM | but you can shoot on windows right? |
| 00:32.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:32.51 | JeffM | found the reload issue. |
| 00:32.53 | blast007 | when I shoot someone, that shot no longer reloads, though |
| 00:32.54 | JeffM | fixing now |
| 00:32.55 | blast007 | k |
| 00:33.12 | blast007 | also.. when I shoot any of the tanks running from linux, at least, they can't respawn :) |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM | yeah, it's assuming a valid shotptr, that isn't the case anywmore. |
| 00:33.21 | blast007 | and I'm hearing shot end sounds all around me |
| 00:33.36 | blast007 | (from the linux client) |
| 00:33.39 | JeffM | hmm |
| 00:33.50 | JeffM | the endshot message didn't change at all |
| 00:33.58 | blast007 | oh.. there's bullets frozen on my screen.. |
| 00:34.01 | JeffM | something must be packing oddly |
| 00:34.45 | blast007 | I think ever shot that the windows client fired is sitting frozen on the linux client, or something.. definitely seeing more than 5 shots |
| 00:35.18 | JeffM | so it's not getting a valid vector, interesting. |
| 00:35.38 | blast007 | yeah, when I left the game on the windows client, all those shots went away on the linux client |
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| 00:35.50 | JeffM | so that fixes the reload issue. |
| 00:35.55 | blast007 | rebuilds |
| 00:36.01 | JeffM | let me build a linux server and see what I can see |
| 00:36.26 | JeffM | I may need to install ubuntu or something on one of the other machines here to try client stuff. |
| 00:36.46 | JeffM | the fedora machine is kinda busted. |
| 00:41.57 | JeffM | rummages around in a closet for a computer |
| 00:43.28 | blast007 | here's what I'm seeing on Linux: http://static.bzexcess.com/misc_screenshots/these_are_the_shots_that_never_end.png |
| 00:43.49 | blast007 | just the shot explode animation/sound playing constantly |
| 00:43.49 | JeffM | sweet |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM | so the endshot isn't happening |
| 00:44.23 | JeffM | I had that problem once during development but then I fixed it.... |
| 00:44.46 | JeffM | the shots wern't getting pulled from the shotlist on the client |
| 00:44.59 | JeffM | and each update they "expire" again |
| 00:45.14 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:45.27 | JeffM | they are supposed to be "expiring" once, trigger the effect, then all "expired" shots get pulled from the list. |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM | that all happens in UpdateShots and UpdateShotsForPlayer in ShotList.cxx |
| 00:48.27 | JeffM | I have a theory |
| 00:48.33 | JeffM | care to make to small code changes and test? |
| 00:50.01 | JeffM | change those 2 functions to look like this, https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Il05ZnBY/ |
| 00:53.53 | JeffM | what's the command line to have solobots? |
| 00:55.02 | blast007 | -solo X, where X is the number you want |
| 00:55.14 | blast007 | and with that change, shots end correctly |
| 00:57.47 | JeffM | but they don't move still right? |
| 00:58.46 | blast007 | I can't remember if they moved before.. I *think* they did, because stuff blew up. |
| 00:58.51 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:58.59 | blast007 | let me verify |
| 00:59.09 | JeffM | I'm wondering if there is a buffer issue somewhere |
| 00:59.31 | JeffM | beecause we set the limit to -1 on a full 32 bit int, so the 65k shot limit message confuses me. |
| 00:59.47 | JeffM | but that could happen if pack or unpack was off by 2 bytes or soemthing. |
| 01:01.03 | JeffM | ok, no I see the issue on windows too. time to debug the server |
| 01:01.08 | JeffM | or get a pizza |
| 01:01.09 | JeffM | not sure |
| 01:01.30 | spldart | Hard to go wrong with pizza |
| 01:02.12 | spldart | And yes I'm actually playing around in release and master just to see what's what. |
| 01:03.34 | JeffM | hmm 2nd Gen i3-2120 with a radeon HD 6350, that count as midrange or low end for bzflag? |
| 01:05.00 | spldart | Can someone jog my memory. How to start a simple random 'local' map for testing purpose? |
| 01:05.07 | JeffM | run bzfs |
| 01:05.07 | blast007 | 'bzfs' |
| 01:05.26 | blast007 | or 'bzfs -j +ms 5 +f good +r' |
| 01:05.28 | spldart | nice |
| 01:05.41 | JeffM | is that what you use for testing blast007 ? |
| 01:05.48 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:06.07 | spldart | so Your off the listserver with that? |
| 01:06.41 | JeffM | yeah just running bzfs doesn't put you on the list |
| 01:06.58 | JeffM | you need to add -public and a bunch of stuff like authorization keys to get on the list |
| 01:07.05 | JeffM | it's actualy HARD to get on the list |
| 01:07.06 | spldart | And a local client will still find it? |
| 01:07.30 | JeffM | just type in 127.0.0.1 for the server |
| 01:07.33 | JeffM | or localhost |
| 01:07.34 | blast007 | our local server detection is kinda iffy |
| 01:07.40 | spldart | Yeah. I'm waiting to do that later. Been years though since I hosted public. I'm getting back into the swing of things. |
| 01:07.44 | JeffM | port 5154 |
| 01:07.54 | spldart | that I remember ;) |
| 01:08.26 | spldart | I used to host 5153 for old proto, 5154 for current proto and 5155 for the head proto |
| 01:08.34 | spldart | many years ago. |
| 01:09.27 | spldart | Back then it was 1.7, 2.x, ?.? |
| 01:14.29 | spldart | Sry. Forgot to say thanks :)' |
| 01:17.04 | blast007 | The release price of the HD 6350 was.. $23.. it's the lowest end HD 6000 series card :) |
| 01:19.08 | blast007 | it might do OpenGL 4.5 though? |
| 01:21.29 | spldart | hehe... both 2.4.15 and 2.5.3 spit out +ms as bad argument |
| 01:21.38 | spldart | What did I do wrong? |
| 01:22.11 | blast007 | oh, sorry, it's -ms |
| 01:22.19 | spldart | ah |
| 01:23.29 | spldart | Well that got the binary goin... now to try to molest it with a client :) |
| 01:24.33 | blast007 | JeffM: the AMD HD 6350 is only about 15% faster than the iGPU in that i3. And a bit slower than an Intel HD 2500, and FAR slower than an Intel HD 4000 |
| 01:30.18 | JeffM | blast007: heh |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM | it was my dad's computer |
| 01:30.58 | JeffM | its one of those skinny dell optiplex machines with a low profile card |
| 01:31.38 | JeffM | https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Optiplex-390-SFF-Desktop/dp/B01M0LMXBQ |
| 01:31.39 | spldart | Slowly this is coming back to me. So shooting is dead in head... I mean master? |
| 01:31.54 | JeffM | we are working on bugs wiht it |
| 01:32.39 | spldart | Hopefully. I can make myself useful again. If not. I'll try not to be to much of a nuisance. o_O |
| 01:33.57 | spldart | Again.. Muchos gracias :) |
| 01:34.46 | JeffM | blast007: think there is a decent radeon driver for it under ubuntu? |
| 01:35.01 | blast007 | probably |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM | and I can't slap a better card in it |
| 01:35.43 | JeffM | card has a super high pin count DVI connetor, came with a splitter that takes it out to 2 regular DVI connectors |
| 01:35.47 | blast007 | it's a good system to use as a low-end example of a GL 3.2 capable system |
| 01:36.02 | JeffM | ok good |
| 01:37.34 | blast007 | I've got an even slower GL 3.2 capable card :) |
| 01:37.41 | blast007 | Radeon HD 2400 Pro |
| 01:38.14 | spldart | Speaking of video cards. If I may. Are 2.0 and 3.0 pciexpress cards so cripped in 1.0 or 2.0 that they are not worth trying? |
| 01:38.18 | JeffM | ok, found the flag limit problem, fixing |
| 01:38.22 | blast007 | 42 GFLOPS.. I think that's like 1.8 Raspberry Pi's |
| 01:38.51 | blast007 | depends which card, spldart |
| 01:39.15 | blast007 | some of the lower end ones might not be stressing the bus too much |
| 01:39.56 | spldart | brb |
| 01:40.23 | blast007 | http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Radeon-HD-6350-vs-ATI-Radeon-HD-2400-PRO/m10261vsm8931 |
| 01:43.32 | JeffM | ubuntu simplest to put on a test machine? |
| 01:44.04 | spldart | imho |
| 01:44.29 | blast007 | sure |
| 01:44.51 | JeffM | it's got a windows drive already in it so it'll have that for testing |
| 01:44.55 | JeffM | with windows 10 |
| 01:45.13 | blast007 | Debian isn't much more difficult, but Ubuntu gives you a clicky clicky interface for proprietary drivers/firmware |
| 01:46.21 | spldart | Been watching my brother play with lots of proprietary hardware lately. Esp vid hardware. Constantly having better luck with Ubuntu |
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| 02:09.34 | spldart | Newer kernel helps with clicky clicky interface ;) I'm not distracted now. Just tired. |
| 02:11.39 | spldart | blast :) I can't remember if I'm 1.0 or 2.0 but this 730 isn't cutting it for an upgrade and now considering a 1030 or 1050. I was just wondering how hobbled these cards would be on older slower pci express. |
| 02:12.17 | spldart | 730 has faster 2d than 9800gt but sllightly slower 3d than 9800gt. |
| 02:13.02 | JeffM | I'm a little saddened by the fact that the first drive I found that I didn't care about was a 1TB drive... |
| 02:13.09 | JeffM | that used to be HUGE |
| 02:13.24 | spldart | And yes. If I had known that so much more of my old hardware would have given up the ghost in such rapid succesion i would not have attempted a half arsed upgrade like I did. |
| 02:13.59 | spldart | Right? I just tossed a 2tb and it almost made me sick :/ |
| 02:15.27 | JeffM | ok with current code. I can shoot from a windows client to a linux server |
| 02:15.38 | JeffM | it'll take me a bit to get a linux client setup |
| 02:17.04 | spldart | so.. in my bzflag master. do a git pull start the build then restart my bzfx with blast switches and try it? |
| 02:18.22 | JeffM | Sure |
| 02:18.29 | JeffM | See if you can shoot |
| 02:19.10 | spldart | No. But I didn't make clean. I just pulled and built |
| 02:19.37 | JeffM | You should not have to make clean |
| 02:20.33 | spldart | then no shoots |
| 02:21.17 | blast007 | JeffM: I've got one of these in two computers: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994143 |
| 02:21.37 | blast007 | and then I bought 8 old refurbished 80GB drives - and 7 of them worked :) |
| 02:21.46 | blast007 | and I think one still had data.. |
| 02:21.48 | spldart | mmMMmm hot docking |
| 02:23.44 | JeffM | I have one of these, with like 8 drives in it , https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811182566 |
| 02:23.47 | spldart | server 2.5.3.20180616-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0225) client 2.5.3.20180616-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0225) I know you prolly don't need it but there it is for the no shoots in debian stable |
| 02:23.52 | JeffM | it runs a plex server. |
| 02:24.37 | spldart | Cream |
| 02:24.53 | JeffM | it's kinda junky |
| 02:25.07 | JeffM | cooler is too high |
| 02:25.53 | spldart | Yeah but a stack of drives just waiting to server your every whim?!? |
| 02:26.04 | JeffM | they ain't fast |
| 02:26.25 | spldart | Is it serving you or a legion? |
| 02:26.29 | JeffM | I'd honestly redo it in an ITX case with 3 4tb drives and a SSD |
| 02:26.57 | JeffM | I have 150 meg upload, so it hosts a few other people |
| 02:27.03 | spldart | ah |
| 02:29.01 | JeffM | and now I have a second phone to lug around, too much hardware |
| 02:32.33 | spldart | oh snap.. never mind the nvid 1030/1050. Did they deprecate vga? I'm hdmi primary vga secondary which was fine for the 730. 8-[ I guess I must shed analog if I want to proceed. MO MONEY! |
| 02:33.30 | JeffM | umm yeah VGA is very rare these days |
| 02:33.41 | JeffM | display port and HDMI are most common |
| 02:33.45 | JeffM | DVI if you are lucky |
| 02:35.18 | spldart | DVI is adequately represented. 'display port' was the only output on the rig I got for mom for her birthday. I have never used that before. Well crap... I've done wedged myself into a technological dead end o_O |
| 02:36.11 | spldart | Guess I'll just be happy for one year then SPLURGE on all new hardware. |
| 02:38.08 | spldart | *looks forware to tropical disturbance* |
| 02:39.10 | JeffM | really vga only shows up on laptops for super old projectors |
| 02:39.25 | JeffM | displayport is very common these days |
| 02:39.35 | JeffM | think of it as super HDMI |
| 02:41.30 | spldart | I know. It's just. I was out of the game for so long I gave 'display port' a right miss. |
| 02:46.49 | spldart | Time to pass out methinks. Having a wonderful time :) |
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| 02:56.43 | JeffM | solo bots seem to work on windows |
| 02:58.56 | JeffM | wow, whatever libx11-xcb-dev is, it takes forever to unpack |
| 03:11.13 | JeffM | how do you configure for debug? |
| 03:41.04 | JeffM | I am able to shoot in a debug build on linxu.... |
| 03:41.13 | JeffM | those are always fun :( |
| 06:24.18 | short_circuit | Odd.. It says "Reloaded in 3.5" up top in my no firing client. I'm rebuilding from scratch to try again. |
| 06:34.25 | short_circuit | No change for that dollar. |
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| 13:16.01 | JeffM | ok, that actualy helped me. it's NOT a linux vs windows thing, it's a debug vs release thing. There is an uninied variable in reload construction. |
| 13:16.13 | JeffM | I can dupe the issue on windows in a release build |
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| 13:34.48 | JeffM | tested on linux in release, is good now |
| 13:44.19 | blast007 | huh. well I can shoot now, but I get kicked for not using UDP. :P |
| 13:45.08 | blast007 | dunno what was up with that.. |
| 13:45.09 | blast007 | works now |
| 13:45.13 | JeffM | I don't get that |
| 13:45.29 | blast007 | I restarted the server and client and that went away |
| 13:46.31 | JeffM | the code that was using the bad var was not needed, so I rewrote it |
| 13:46.58 | JeffM | it was still trying to use the currently held flag to get your shortest reload time |
| 13:47.09 | JeffM | now it checks all slots for the one that will finish first. |
| 13:50.39 | blast007 | also, reloads are running twice as fast as they should because UpdateShotSlots(dt) is being called in both BaseLocalPlayer::update and LocalPlayer::doUpdate |
| 13:51.05 | JeffM | ohh that's not good :) |
| 13:51.15 | JeffM | ok, I'll look into that. |
| 13:53.37 | JeffM | yeah ok, I need to move the pause stuff into the base class |
| 13:54.27 | JeffM | when you were paused, the old code would go an add your paused DT to all the shot lifetimes so that the base reload timer would not end. |
| 13:54.39 | JeffM | I changed it to just NOT update the reload timers when paused |
| 13:55.06 | JeffM | but they happened in different spots so the code got duped when it shoudln't ahve |
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| 14:00.45 | JeffM | that should fix that |
| 14:46.55 | JeffM | And itâs good that I have a low end system to test under 2 operating systems now |
| 15:24.43 | JeffM | thanks for that testing command line blast007 , turns out I broke +f good in my flag branch :) |
| 15:28.11 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:29.10 | JeffM | I re-did all the comand line handling for forced flags, disallowed flags, and limits to make them apply to all flags, built in and plugin created. |
| 15:32.50 | JeffM | blast007: what do you think of a plugins_enabled and plugins_available set of dirs to load plugins instead of -loadplugin ? |
| 15:38.13 | blast007 | not a fan of that |
| 15:40.01 | blast007 | are you able to respawn after dying? |
| 15:40.46 | blast007 | I think the server still thinks I'm alive |
| 15:44.26 | blast007 | hmm, no, my state is dead |
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| 15:48.15 | blast007 | sigh.. and now I can respawn.. |
| 15:50.03 | spldart | Yay shoots! |
| 15:50.33 | blast007 | seems that respawns break if you have bots |
| 15:55.36 | spldart | ooOOoo... confirmed |
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| 15:58.14 | JeffM | interesitng |
| 15:58.21 | JeffM | death shoudln't have changed at all |
| 16:00.33 | JeffM | yeah I respawn fine |
| 16:00.40 | JeffM | let me try a release build |
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| 16:02.10 | blast007 | this is a debug build |
| 16:02.33 | spldart | Ugh! is that me or irc :/ |
| 16:02.43 | blast007 | start a server, run a client with -solo 5, bots will die, but never respawn, and you as well can't respawn if you die |
| 16:03.21 | blast007 | state in server-side PlayerInfo is still PlayerAlive |
| 16:03.23 | JeffM | are you running in a debugger? |
| 16:03.30 | JeffM | hmm |
| 16:03.33 | blast007 | yeah, but it happens when not as well |
| 16:03.38 | spldart | Obviously I'm not debug build. But that's my symptom too. |
| 16:03.38 | spldart | Haven't debug built in over 10 years o_O |
| 16:03.39 | blast007 | this is on linux too |
| 16:03.49 | JeffM | I can see it on a release build on windows |
| 16:03.57 | blast007 | let me try with a server there |
| 16:05.04 | JeffM | the only way that could happen is if msgKilled wasn't sent |
| 16:05.24 | JeffM | the server calls victim->setDead(); |
| 16:07.10 | spldart | OK.. sorry. xfinity in my area. I'll be in and out :/ |
| 16:07.30 | blast007 | I'm getting the 'killed by' messages on a remote client |
| 16:07.54 | JeffM | then what would be setting the state to alive on the client.... |
| 16:08.01 | JeffM | I'm puttin in some breakpoints |
| 16:09.15 | JeffM | yeah it's not getting into playerKilled |
| 16:09.24 | blast007 | the client is dead, but the server thinks we're alive |
| 16:11.25 | JeffM | a sanity check is failing |
| 16:11.39 | JeffM | gaahhh.. friggin shot salt |
| 16:12.20 | JeffM | fixing |
| 16:17.20 | JeffM | so local bots tell the vissible client they died and generate the killed message there, they don't wait for the server to say they died :) |
| 16:17.48 | JeffM | that means that if the server modifiees the death, it's not shown on the bot host computer. |
| 16:18.14 | JeffM | the issue was that the server was rejecting the MsgKilled |
| 16:18.18 | JeffM | so it never changed states |
| 16:18.27 | JeffM | and NEVER sent it back over the wire. |
| 16:18.51 | JeffM | so this is a case where solobot testing can produce different results from real client testing. |
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| 16:21.34 | blast007 | yeah, the solo bots are...special |
| 16:21.41 | JeffM | that should fix that issue |
| 16:21.50 | blast007 | don't they also share a TCP link with the actual player? |
| 16:21.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:22.08 | JeffM | thats why IDs are sent with most messages |
| 16:22.34 | JeffM | the death sanity check now looks for shot IDs that the server knows are active, or very recently ended. |
| 16:23.33 | JeffM | and since the GUIds take a long time to recycle there is no real chance of an ID collision. |
| 16:24.08 | JeffM | so should be good now |
| 16:26.28 | spldart | Huzzah! |
| 16:27.01 | spldart | Either I have gotten worse or the bots have gotten better 0_0 |
| 16:27.22 | spldart | XD |
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| 18:38.31 | spldart | Welp. Phone internet it is then 8~/ |
| 20:22.27 | spldart | Window shopping newegg. Oh buddy if I'm still around in 6 months or so the next PC I build is gonna spoil me rotten XD! |
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| 23:05.25 | the_map | why wouldn't you be around in six months? |
| 23:47.32 | spldart | Sorry. Never mind. |
| 23:48.59 | spldart | Offered my daughters that old 9800 Geforce... They are on tight college budgets so I thought one might scoop it up.... "It's trash" is the response. God I fee old. |
