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| 17:05.34 | CaptainRoberts[m | Is bzflag going to keep the mac as a platform if Apple transitions to ARM and removes openGL support from future macs? |
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| 17:38.28 | blast007 | CaptainRoberts[m: besides switching our rendering code to work, a potentially limiting factor would be developers *with* an ARM-based Mac. |
| 17:38.51 | blast007 | I have no interest in a mac newer than the 2014 mac mini I picked up |
| 17:39.44 | CaptainRoberts[m | both are understandable problems. I do not see apple making any kind of openGL driver for new hardware. |
| 17:42.04 | blast007 | There is moltenGL (OpenGL ES 2.0 to Metal), but that's not a free solution (neither $$$ nor freedom) - that's $400/year for up to tow developers/testers. Or there's moltenVK (Vulkan to Metal), which is open-source. |
| 17:42.46 | CaptainRoberts[m | you guys want to rewrite the entire thing in vulkan just for that? |
| 17:42.57 | CaptainRoberts[m | that will cut out the low end intel GPUs |
| 17:43.00 | CaptainRoberts[m | and a lot of other stuff |
| 17:43.43 | blast007 | right now the rough plan is to start moving to GL 2.0 and migrate stuff to shaders, then migrate to something like GL core profile 3.1 or 3.3. |
| 17:44.42 | blast007 | then once we're on GLSL shaders, something like bgfx ( https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx ) could target a bunch of APIs, including Metal |
| 17:45.05 | CaptainRoberts[m | any reason to not migrate to an engine that has a replaceable render back-end instead? like Uhro or something like that? |
| 17:45.44 | blast007 | Uhro3D may be a possibility as well. I've briefly looked at that before. |
| 17:46.06 | CaptainRoberts[m | it is very nice |
| 17:46.12 | blast007 | Urho3d* |
| 17:47.00 | CaptainRoberts[m | yeah |
| 17:50.48 | CaptainRoberts[m | + |
| 17:52.58 | CaptainRoberts[m | Apple sure doesn't seem to be making it easy to make open source games. |
| 18:04.19 | blast007 | doesn't make them money :) |
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