| 01:14.04 | Agatha | (Sorry my IRC endpoint crashed; hopefully I didn't miss anything.) |
| 01:14.04 | Agatha | By the by, the catalogue I mentioned earlier is completed. I wrote it up here: https://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=20473 |
| 01:18.30 | Zehra | Looks good and I think the idea is mostly well thought of. |
| 01:19.10 | Zehra | If you can, you may wish to use some drivethrough/shootthrough objects as indicators from where to shoot from, as a bit of a guide. |
| 01:20.29 | Zehra | This could be included within a world via a certain option/setting and provided as a type of "tutorial map". |
| 01:21.47 | Zehra | Thinking of it on second thought, I now am reminded of one of Jefenry's maps which did make use of solo bots IIRC to make a type of shooting range. |
| 01:23.07 | Zehra | Same could be done here as a bit of a practice map, as well as use death objects to improve handling of solo bots. |
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| 05:58.21 | FusionDude | any mac gurus around? |
| 06:00.29 | blast007 | No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. |
| 06:00.44 | Flash | sure, transplant my kidney |
| 06:01.24 | Flash | I got a new iMac; it came with Catalina, and against my better judgement I updated to Big Sur |
| 06:01.44 | Flash | I have this game I've been playing for years, and on Big Sur, the window is just blank |
| 06:02.00 | Flash | I have source, but I don't know diddly about graphics |
| 06:20.25 | blast007 | any output if you run it from the terminal? |
| 06:21.49 | Agatha | "tutorial map" <- @Zehra hmmm, it's an interesting concept, though I don't have time to make such a map (I really already didn't have time to make this chart as it is . . .). Certainly, someone should be able to make it now that I've made all the data, though! |
| 06:22.13 | Flash | that's the only way I run it |
| 06:22.39 | Flash | unfortunately, the preferences are set to full screen |
| 06:22.55 | Flash | but it does quit cleanly with a couple of escapes |
| 06:24.48 | blast007 | are you compiling it yourself? |
| 06:24.57 | Flash | more or less. It has a Makefile |
| 06:26.24 | blast007 | k, was just wondering if maybe they had an old version of SDL or similar library in their bin |
| 06:27.52 | Flash | the old SDL is a possibility ... the bad thing about Apple's migration tool is it copies EVERYTHING so it's possible I have some crap I shouldn't |
| 06:29.28 | Flash | makefile includes this: |
| 06:29.31 | Flash | https://www.crossway.org/articles/5-myths-about-spiritual-gifts/ |
| 06:29.35 | Flash | no not that |
| 06:29.42 | Flash | CXXFLAGS=-pipe -isysroot $(XCODE_HOME) -Wall $(OPTIMIZE) $(DEBUG) -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers/ -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_ttf.framework/Headers/ -I/Library/Frameworks/SDL_mixer.framework/Headers/ -DPREFIX=L\"$(PREFIX)\" $(PROFILER) |
| 06:29.44 | blast007 | if you have an external drive, you could install a clean copy of Big Sur on that and see if the problem still happens |
| 06:30.00 | Flash | I'm hardware poor |
| 06:30.48 | Flash | you are helping ... this is a clue |
| 06:30.49 | blast007 | mmm, so I'm assuming that's SDL1 then.. |
| 06:30.50 | Flash | XCODE_HOME=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk |
| 06:31.57 | blast007 | haven't tried SDL 1 on Big Sur yet |
| 06:32.53 | blast007 | I don't think targeting an old SDK is necessarily a problem. BZFlag targets an older SDK so that it can still, in theory, run on older versions of macOS |
| 06:33.20 | blast007 | I don't know if we actually *try* running it on anything that old though :) |
| 06:33.38 | Flash | this is a pretty old game. I think I first played it on MacOS 9; I think I found source and started compiling in 10 |
| 06:38.52 | Flash | can I safely just delete stuff in /Library/Frameworks? And reinstall? |
| 06:43.47 | blast007 | my Big Sur only has some iTunesLibrary.framework symlink in /Library/Frameworks, so anything other than that should be safe to at least move somewhere else |
| 06:44.50 | Flash | yeah, I recognize some of this old stuff ... R.framework, Python.framework |
| 06:47.22 | Flash | anything from 2015 and earlier I should probably get rid of |
| 07:42.05 | Flash | good news (for me): there's a homebrew recipe for it. |
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