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| 00:17.50 | [dmp] | DeathBarrel: Please stop the "Hi *gg*"-posts. It aint exactly helping |
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| 09:54.35 | [dmp] | morning kierra |
| 10:01.33 | kierra | hey, morning |
| 10:01.56 | kierra | I'm making bread |
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| 16:03.33 | [dmp] | bzcontest time :) |
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| 18:48.18 | kierra | menotume? |
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| 20:21.46 | TheRedBaron | ~seen privia |
| 20:21.47 | jbot | privia <~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzleague, 19d 4h 48m 41s ago, saying: 'where at ZzZ?'. |
| 20:21.55 | orange | hey trb |
| 20:22.01 | TheRedBaron | hi |
| 20:22.15 | orange | feeling a little beat up recently? I hope not |
| 20:22.24 | TheRedBaron | too true... |
| 20:22.37 | TheRedBaron | i've felt beat up since last june.... |
| 20:23.39 | orange | just to be clear, neither I nor anybody else I know ever thought there was any question of actual cheating... not even a remote hint of it |
| 20:23.57 | TheRedBaron | more and more often i contemplate taking Fanta's recent course of action. |
| 20:24.00 | TheRedBaron | bah... |
| 20:24.14 | TheRedBaron | DB has been accusing me of cheating since last june... |
| 20:24.26 | TheRedBaron | ever since my team started beating his. |
| 20:24.39 | TheRedBaron | then fanta when we started beating his... |
| 20:24.41 | orange | oh |
| 20:24.51 | TheRedBaron | I'm just waiting for the others to start chiming in... |
| 20:25.00 | TheRedBaron | Bamf... Chestal... etc... |
| 20:25.35 | TheRedBaron | I thought about disbanding barons awhile ago... but bzg talked me out of it |
| 20:26.38 | TheRedBaron | Now I'm reconsidering it... and just from now on, dropping "The Red Baron" and using something else... |
| 20:27.38 | orange | hmmm |
| 20:27.57 | orange | that's not really an answer though... people will just find out who you are eventually anyway |
| 20:28.45 | TheRedBaron | well, never playing BZ is not a solution either... |
| 20:29.11 | orange | nope |
| 20:29.12 | TheRedBaron | ~seen skit |
| 20:29.13 | jbot | TheRedBaron: i haven't seen 'skit' |
| 20:29.29 | TheRedBaron | i don't know what i'll do. |
| 20:29.44 | orange | I don't know why you need to do anything, myself. |
| 20:29.46 | TheRedBaron | maybe drop the ducati league and only play the GU league... |
| 20:29.52 | orange | just stay the course |
| 20:30.01 | orange | good players will *always* get accused of cheating |
| 20:30.27 | orange | I had a guy on pillbox one time ask "how can I make my shots curve like orange's do? I'm not saying he's cheating, I just want to be able to do the same thing" :-) |
| 20:30.30 | TheRedBaron | well apparently everyone hates the enhanced mouse, are for having it "banned" or source code compensation... etc. |
| 20:30.33 | orange | and I'm not even good :-) |
| 20:31.20 | orange | if it tickles bugs in bzflag, it should be fixed |
| 20:31.58 | TheRedBaron | but it doesn't! |
| 20:32.44 | TheRedBaron | I cannot play without the mouse enhancement... Not with a trackball |
| 20:33.11 | TheRedBaron | your thumb is no where near fast enough, or have the range of motion, compared to your typical mouse. |
| 20:33.13 | orange | if there's any question, it should be examined, don't you think? But that doesn't mean stop using it... it just means that it may make it a bit different if it does have a bug |
| 20:33.30 | TheRedBaron | then where is the bug? |
| 20:33.48 | orange | if I had to guess, if there is a bug, it's in the dead-reckoning stuff |
| 20:34.23 | orange | but I'm no bzflag developer |
| 20:36.43 | TheRedBaron | hm |
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| 20:37.18 | orange | seriously though, if anyone is questioning, it's worth investigating... it implies no fault or wrongdoing on your part that you use it, but if there is a bug, it should be fixed... some people think there may be |
| 20:37.28 | orange | I haven't seen it enough to even have an opinion about that |
| 20:38.02 | TheRedBaron | personally, on my radar, which i view 99.999% of the time.. I've never seen bullets "go thru me" |
| 20:38.17 | TheRedBaron | I think there is more to it then the "mouse enhancement" |
| 20:38.33 | TheRedBaron | perhaps they are using a size 10 radar in comparison to my size 28 |
| 20:38.47 | TheRedBaron | perhaps their max zoom is only .25 compared to my .20 |
| 20:39.07 | TheRedBaron | perhaps they have the shotlength feature and do not realize the rear of the bullet does the killing |
| 20:39.11 | TheRedBaron | and expect the tip to kill them. |
| 20:39.22 | TheRedBaron | why single out the mouse? |
| 20:39.35 | orange | it's a factor, that's all |
| 20:39.40 | orange | it's a variable, it's worth considering |
| 20:39.56 | TheRedBaron | but they aren't treating it as a factor... they are claiming its the source |
| 20:40.11 | orange | I hear your frustration... remember not everybody (not even most?) said anything even close to that |
| 20:41.33 | TheRedBaron | maybe i need to change my glasses than... that's all I'm seeing. |
| 20:42.03 | TheRedBaron | even CapN speaks out against it... |
| 20:42.18 | TheRedBaron | and that hurts... I remember the "good ole days" playing against him. |
| 20:42.24 | TheRedBaron | long before the league or ducati |
| 20:43.18 | orange | hmmm, I'll have to reread |
| 20:43.35 | orange | because most people I saw objected to the way the information was handled, not to the use of the settings |
| 20:43.55 | orange | including me |
| 20:45.03 | TheRedBaron | I stated I waited for people to ask me about this information... no one did, they just pointed and yelled "CHEATER!!" |
| 20:45.40 | TheRedBaron | those that did ask, I gladly shared it. Tokimi, xvaliant. mikkel, dotman, carnage, thonolan, riseman, and a host of others! |
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| 20:46.45 | TheRedBaron | So i decided, I didn't want those calling me cheaters to have the information. and thus handled the information as confidential. not to be publically proclaimed |
| 20:47.24 | orange | that's what I think, ultimately, was a bad call... just my opinion, and I hope you don't take offense. |
| 20:47.36 | TheRedBaron | well what would you do? |
| 20:47.36 | orange | I have a lot of respect for you... you've always been a great guy... still are :-) |
| 20:47.48 | TheRedBaron | go teach the person who calls you cheater how to beat you? |
| 20:48.14 | orange | a lot of those arguments intentionally miss the point and misdirect the discussion |
| 20:49.20 | TheRedBaron | Thanks orange... |
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| 20:52.22 | TheRedBaron | It still hurts though... |
| 20:54.03 | orange | I hear you... just read it with more positive thoughts |
| 20:54.09 | TheRedBaron | !lart TheRedBaron |
| 20:54.11 | orange | perhaps you'll find more support than you thought :-) |
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| 21:30.08 | TheRedBaron | well i must go. |