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02:19.04ephi, just thought i'd pop in
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09:30.25TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 02 23:24 => [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:9, Bz Incorporated:1
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10:23.32AlexandrTheGreatg'morning/afternoon everyone and bot friends
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11:22.45AlexandrTheGreatif anyone is there..i have a question
11:23.11AlexandrTheGreati've been asked if you can control spawning (where you will spawn) in any way
11:23.24AlexandrTheGreati said no, but i am not positive
11:23.45AlexandrTheGreatoh, hi up
11:29.48Upsetterhey alex
11:30.08AlexandrTheGreati thought i'd check here for the answer
11:30.53Upsetteryeah, i saw u on bz, so was asking you  there
11:31.06AlexandrTheGreati was wondering about this just the other day
11:32.24Upsetterits not whining, but if i spawn, i have always my back to the middle of map, and for 80 % i spawn on the other side of map
11:32.33Upsetterwhere no enemy is
11:33.22AlexandrTheGreatbad luck day i thin
11:33.24AlexandrTheGreatthink
11:33.39Upsetteraaaah, thats not the right answer ;)
11:33.39AlexandrTheGreati wonder if there are programming rules of spawning tho
11:33.54AlexandrTheGreatmaybe there are some programming issues about where you spawn
11:34.37AlexandrTheGreatwhen you want to spawn on the other side of the map, then you don't  :)
11:35.00Upsetterhmm, i often wonder about the spawns, i think its not good solved
11:35.02TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 02 20:22 => Bz Incorporated:10, T42 (tea for two):0 || Aug 02 20:20 => Bz Incorporated:4, [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:4
11:35.21Upsetterbut im not a coder, i have no knowledge about that
11:35.35AlexandrTheGreati bet pimpi knows, but he seems to be away
11:37.07Upsetterbtw. i am here on channel the second time, is it everytime, that here are only about 10 ppl? its not much...
11:37.28AlexandrTheGreati have been here only a week, but usually i see a few more
11:37.40Upsetterok, just wondering
11:37.45AlexandrTheGreatthere are bots here too..sssh...they get mad easy
11:37.55Upsetter:)
11:38.15AlexandrTheGreatusually meno is here, brad, cbg, nth
11:38.22AlexandrTheGreatkierra
11:38.25AlexandrTheGreatbarons
11:38.28AlexandrTheGreatand more
11:38.37AlexandrTheGreatmeno is busy moving
11:38.55AlexandrTheGreatthere is the dev channel
11:39.07AlexandrTheGreatthey will surely know, but i've never gone there before
11:39.48Pimpinellawhat do i know?
11:39.58AlexandrTheGreatah!!
11:40.04AlexandrTheGreatpimpi...
11:40.06TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 02 21:27 => Bz Incorporated:6, Pillbox:2 || Aug 02 20:24 => Bz Incorporated:6, T42 (tea for two):5
11:40.16AlexandrTheGreatcan a player control where he will spawn?
11:40.18AlexandrTheGreatand...
11:40.30Pimpinellayeah, there's a spawn algorithm
11:40.33AlexandrTheGreatdoes the programming make you spawn according to rules, or is it random?
11:40.35Pimpinellano, he cant
11:41.03Pimpinellathe server tries to find a "good" place to spawn
11:41.06AlexandrTheGreatif you know the algorithm, does it help you determine where to spawn?
11:41.25Pimpinellapartially, but not really
11:41.34AlexandrTheGreatso it comes down to luck?
11:42.01Pimpinellait tries not to make you spawn between foes
11:42.11AlexandrTheGreati see...
11:42.25AlexandrTheGreatany other rules?
11:42.38Pimpinellaon viper e.g. this result in the fact, that you mostly spawn on the side controlled by your team
11:42.51AlexandrTheGreataha...
11:42.58Pimpinellanot sure, never really read the spawn code
11:43.08AlexandrTheGreatit is an interesting question
11:43.10Pimpinellait used to be client side
11:43.38AlexandrTheGreathow far can you control your spawn
11:43.43Pimpinellawith the result that cheaters used it to spawn where they liked
11:43.48Pimpinellanot at all
11:43.55AlexandrTheGreatah!! so there WAS a cheat
11:44.10Pimpinellait's server side now, so you can't control it anymore
11:44.25AlexandrTheGreati see. thank you very much!
11:44.47Pimpinellaon the other hand the server has much less information to determine a good spawning place
11:44.52AlexandrTheGreatother than not spawning between foes....any other rules the server follows?
11:45.12Pimpinellaso it happens, that you spawn in front of a bullet
11:45.24AlexandrTheGreatoh, i thought that only happened to me ;)
11:45.24Pimpinellathe client could handle this much better
11:46.06Pimpinellai don't know much about the rules, but i could have a look at the code
11:46.07AlexandrTheGreatsounds like a small price to pay in order to eliminate the cheat possibility
11:46.15Pimpinellayeah
11:46.26AlexandrTheGreatif you get a chance, i'd be curious
11:46.40AlexandrTheGreatdon't waste a lot of time tho
11:46.45Pimpinelladunno who made the current version of it, chestal maybe
11:47.01Pimpinellak, maybe i can spent a lil time on it later
11:47.10Pimpinellaback to work for now ;)
11:47.20AlexandrTheGreatty very much!
11:47.21*** topic/#bzleague by Pimpinella -> The watering hole of the bzaddicts. || #bzleague guidelines are at http://bzleague.com/bzleagueGuide || TRB Quote: "It's at work where I'm lacking" || AMP = Advanced Mouse Playstyle || DV->USA 11 days!
11:47.31Upsetterthx for information
11:47.38AlexandrTheGreat:)
11:47.44Pimpinellaonly 11 days :)
11:47.48AlexandrTheGreatyah!
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11:49.44kierraalex
11:54.17AlexandrTheGreathi!
11:54.28AlexandrTheGreatg'morning
11:54.45AlexandrTheGreatpimpi just changed the sign to 11 days
11:55.04AlexandrTheGreati think u should put neil diamond's coming to america on your profile!
11:55.09AlexandrTheGreatheh
11:55.13kierrayay, he is so good
11:55.16kierraalex
11:55.24AlexandrTheGreatdon't tell the kids that
11:55.28AlexandrTheGreathe's kinda old
11:55.35AlexandrTheGreatoh..pimpi?
11:55.49kierrai'm going to cut and paste something to you in pm, alex
11:55.53AlexandrTheGreatok
11:56.15AlexandrTheGreati meant neil is old. sorry pimpi  ;)
12:10.47PimpinellaAlexandrTheGreat: some tings about spawn algo
12:11.02Pimpinelladon't spawn near corners in ctf
12:11.30Pimpinellanot on buildings unless -sb
12:11.35TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 03 12:08 => Vitamin bz:8, [TLZ] The Legendary ZeeBrothers:0
12:11.57Pimpinellaprefer low altitude over high
12:12.21Pimpinellanot in sigh line of L
12:12.43Pimpinellanot too near to SW or SR or BU
12:13.14Pimpinellanot in siht line of a normal shot tank within a certain distance
12:13.20Pimpinellasight
12:15.08Pimpinellanot on obstacles where the tank might get stuck
12:17.32Pimpinellanot too near to an enemy player
12:20.35AlexandrTheGreatbak
12:20.51AlexandrTheGreatwow...
12:21.01AlexandrTheGreatthat is interesting!
12:21.16Pimpinellarandom points are tested against these requirements. some requirements are reduced on every failed ttempt
12:21.26AlexandrTheGreatwhat does..."not on buildings unless -sb" mean?
12:22.00Pimpinella-sb is a server commandline option allowing spawn on buildings
12:22.09AlexandrTheGreatsuper bullet?
12:22.13AlexandrTheGreatoh
12:22.45AlexandrTheGreatthanx pimpi, that is just what a wanted to know!
12:23.30AlexandrTheGreati have spawned on buildings
12:23.41Pimpinellaif it took more than 10 ms to find a spawning point the player is just dropped from maxWorldHeight intothe world
12:23.52AlexandrTheGreatoh!
12:24.14Pimpinellamost servers have -sb if they have -j (jumping)
12:24.21AlexandrTheGreatahhhh
12:24.27Pimpinella<PROTECTED>
12:24.34AlexandrTheGreatso you can spawn on buildings, but it happens very rarely
12:24.35Pimpinella<PROTECTED>
12:24.50Pimpinellaoriginal from source ;)
12:25.04AlexandrTheGreatso you could drop in anywhere
12:25.09Pimpinellano, on gu it happens all the time
12:25.16AlexandrTheGreati'll have to take notice
12:25.25AlexandrTheGreati thought i usually spawned on ground
12:25.31Pimpinellaespecially if it's crowded
12:25.49Pimpinellai really often spawn on 2. level
12:26.05AlexandrTheGreatplayers have asked me about all this
12:26.21AlexandrTheGreatso now i can answer more intelligently, ty!!
12:26.51Pimpinella;)
12:26.55Pimpinellanp
12:27.15AlexandrTheGreati'll save this to a file....:)
12:28.16Pimpinellayour xchat should log this anyway
12:28.30Pimpinellaunless you configured it not to do so
12:28.40AlexandrTheGreatoh!
12:28.51AlexandrTheGreatno, i didn't touch anything, i promise  ;)
12:28.58Pimpinellahehe
12:29.10Pimpinelladunno about the defaults on osx though
12:29.42AlexandrTheGreati see a "Raw Log" but it's blank
12:29.58AlexandrTheGreatoh..it's not checked off
12:30.06Pimpinellahere everything is logged to $HOME/.xchat2/xchatlogs/
12:30.15AlexandrTheGreatnow it is logging!
12:30.59AlexandrTheGreatare you charging me for this?   :)
12:31.51Pimpinellaoooooooooooooooooh, my prices are high, but this time i did it for free ;)
12:31.57AlexandrTheGreatwhew
12:32.25Pimpinellaoff to get some work done :/
12:32.29AlexandrTheGreatok, ty again!!
12:36.08AlexandrTheGreattesting
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13:47.17TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 03 00:45 => Rulers Of The Force (ROƒ):3, Pillbox:2
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14:38.44kierradmp
14:43.23[dmp]kierra: :)
14:45.47kierranow I recognize you
14:45.58kierrai forget who meacan is
14:46.22[dmp]ah
14:46.34[dmp]perhaps i should just drop it again
14:46.52kierrano, with time it'll take hold
14:47.41[dmp]i just hate installing computers
14:48.12kierrame too, b/c i dont know how :)
14:48.28[dmp]:)
14:49.44[dmp]i hate it because i just want it to run as before. I dont really care if i need to install driver xyz v 2382.12 or 2383.13.
14:50.22kierralol, its greek to me, dmp
14:51.31[dmp]basically; Im too lazy :)
14:51.44[dmp]i need to teach gf how to do it :}
14:52.15kierrahow kind of you
14:54.24[dmp]doing "something with computers" automatically makes you the wizard that can help everyone with all problems if they are related to computers. I think most geeks know about this.
14:55.56kierrayou must have a servant's heart....an admirable quaility
14:56.14[dmp]e.g. i made a website for single-parents, thats fine. Then she suggested that we meet to discuss how we're gona handle it in the future. Fine too. And she told me, that i could also just fix her computer :(
14:56.19[dmp].. or no guts :-)
14:57.05kierrayou're just a guy who cant say no
14:57.10[dmp]computers are still too complicated to most people
14:57.16kierrayou're in a terrible fix
14:57.22orange[dmp]: you're right, it's very hard to say no
14:57.40kierrayou always say 'come on, lets go
14:57.42orange(hello all :-)
14:57.51[dmp]hello orange :)
14:57.53kierrajust when you ought to say nix
14:57.53orangepeople call me... mostly family
14:57.57kierrahi orange
14:59.53[dmp]but i need to see if i can rescue my gfs madonna' pictures. otherwise im sure I'll be hearing alot of "No's" in near future :)
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15:18.25kierrabaron
15:19.40Pimpinellawho set +m again? is this intended?
15:19.58kierra?
15:20.02kierranot me
15:20.12Pimpinellamoderate bit
15:20.37Pimpinellaonly users with voice can talk
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15:20.54Pimpinellashout
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15:21.27kierrawhat happened?
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15:22.00kierrahello birdie
15:22.01Pimpinelladid you say something after i stripped voice from you?
15:22.14Birdiehey kierra
15:22.25kierrayou stripped voice from me?  :(
15:22.28Birdiesorry: hi kierrolitos
15:22.41Pimpinellajust for demonstration
15:22.44kierrai tried to change nick to nick/away
15:25.33Birdiewhy would people take away your voice *cough laugh* ?=P
15:25.39kierra:P
15:25.47kierralol
15:25.53kierrayou are so bad, birdie
15:26.01Birdieau:)
15:27.36Birdiebtw wizart: i lost 118(!) points in those matches vs tea, i dont even have 1500 anymore:(
15:31.20kierrag2g cook for barons
15:31.23kierracu later
15:34.29wizartouch
15:35.22wizartFunny thing is: I can't remember playing vs teatree before.
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16:23.18Birdiewizart: me neither
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17:26.37AlexandrTheGreathi brad
17:27.03AlexandrTheGreatand birdie and everyone i missed
17:27.16AlexandrTheGreatok, ok..bots too
17:27.37brad2901hi Alex
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17:27.41AlexandrTheGreathey
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18:12.19TheLastSpartanNew news from matches: Aug 03 18:00 => Bz Incorporated:8, Pillbox:2
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19:11.07kierrathonolan ping
19:18.57Birdiecan you do it with me to?
19:19.18kierrado what with you?
19:19.25kierraBirdie ping?
19:20.50Birdiei mean
19:20.54Birdiethe thing you need from thono
19:20.57Birdiecan i help you?
19:21.12kierraoh, i was just going to chat with an old teamie
19:21.21Thonolanpong
19:22.32kierrahi thono
19:23.17Thonolanhey :)
19:23.33kierrahow goes it
19:24.03Birdieau so no chat with an old rusty bird?
19:24.15kierraaw, birdie
20:15.38kierracu guys later
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