| 00:00.00 | Dashkal | I got confused by the lack of a link. Turns out it was by design since I had no published files. |
| 00:00.16 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 00:00.16 | Kaelten | ya. |
| 00:00.29 | Kaelten | now projects with no files are even stricter moderated |
| 00:00.42 | Kaelten | they aren't visible on CF by anyone without right perms |
| 00:00.57 | Dashkal | That's about it for mid-to-high priority (in my opinion) tickets. |
| 00:01.19 | Kaelten | well what else do you got? |
| 00:01.21 | Kaelten | while we're reviewing |
| 00:01.23 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:01.34 | Dashkal | heh, sec |
| 00:01.47 | Dashkal | 217 (phantom loss of login) |
| 00:01.53 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/28-request-email-forwarding-by-author-username/ |
| 00:01.58 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/53-feature-request-multiple-ssh-keys-for-committing/ |
| 00:02.01 | Kaelten | the logout still happening? |
| 00:02.14 | Dashkal | I haven't seen it in a bit, but I haven't been watching for it |
| 00:02.24 | Dashkal | the ticket is still alive, though |
| 00:02.29 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/217-randomly-temporarally-lose-my-login-session/ |
| 00:02.31 | Kaelten | k, there is a chance some of the other changes we've made could have fixed it |
| 00:02.39 | Kaelten | since we couldn't reproduce its hard to confirm its dead |
| 00:02.40 | Dashkal | gotta love the heisenbug |
| 00:02.43 | Dashkal | mmm mmm race conditions |
| 00:03.02 | Kaelten | pretty much |
| 00:03.13 | Dashkal | the email forward freq I'm not holding my breath on. I see good reasons _not_ to do it as well. |
| 00:03.25 | Kaelten | well I honestly think it'd be a very cool thing to do |
| 00:03.36 | Dashkal | As a user, I'd love it :p |
| 00:03.38 | Kaelten | its just that setting it up would be... fun. |
| 00:03.47 | Dashkal | erm? email forwarding is pretty simple |
| 00:04.07 | Kaelten | well I've no experiance setting up receiving email servers |
| 00:04.10 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 00:04.18 | Kaelten | but i'd love to do it. |
| 00:04.28 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/86-request-special-commit-messages-to-interact-with-tickets/ |
| 00:04.33 | Kaelten | know if exim4 can do it? |
| 00:04.40 | Dashkal | That one has a grey ticket icon for me for no apparent reason |
| 00:04.45 | Dashkal | I believe any of the major ones can |
| 00:04.50 | Dashkal | sendmail has done it for years |
| 00:04.55 | Dashkal | postfix as well |
| 00:05.18 | Kaelten | hrm, ya |
| 00:05.54 | Dashkal | I've never actually done anything beyond setting up local mail with exim (echo "Hello" | mail is amazingly handy sometimes) |
| 00:06.06 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:06.21 | Dashkal | And I did it through debian's lil setup script |
| 00:06.23 | Kaelten | if you see any good tutorials with exim4 for it attach it to the ticket |
| 00:06.43 | Kaelten | from where I sit the goods outway the cons |
| 00:06.46 | Dashkal | http://www.xmn-berlin.de/~marte/exim/exim4_mysql_amavis_spamassasin.html |
| 00:06.54 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:06.57 | Kaelten | that was quick |
| 00:06.59 | Dashkal | google :p |
| 00:07.08 | Dashkal | if you use that db, anyway. if not I'll keep looking |
| 00:07.09 | Kaelten | damn them and their all knowingness |
| 00:07.19 | Kaelten | I'm holding out for the mundaneum |
| 00:07.30 | Kaelten | ya I use mysql |
| 00:08.49 | Dashkal | I only skimmed over that page. currently skimming the exim wiki for an example that isn't so hard on my poor eyes |
| 00:09.02 | Kaelten | oh? dark schemes bad? |
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| 00:09.40 | Dashkal | That looks like a first gen html coded by hand page |
| 00:09.54 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:09.59 | Kaelten | have you seen the new movement in weblogs |
| 00:10.27 | Kaelten | http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2008/jun/15/minimal/ |
| 00:10.32 | Dashkal | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch09.html |
| 00:10.55 | Dashkal | Seeing that more and more |
| 00:11.57 | Dashkal | I imagine that part of the manual is exactly what you need to do forwarding via username. If I'm right you'd be able to do everything you need with a couple crafty SQL statements against your existing DB |
| 00:12.21 | ckknight | Kaelten: you keep hocking that, but I seriously doubt it'll catch on in a big way |
| 00:12.50 | Dashkal | select email from users where username='%foo%' and email is not null or some such |
| 00:13.03 | Dashkal | and allowForward = true :p |
| 00:13.37 | Kaelten | Dashkal: seeing the minimalistic thing more and more? |
| 00:13.48 | Dashkal | Lots of blogs are doing that, yesh |
| 00:13.50 | Dashkal | yeah* |
| 00:14.06 | Kaelten | yeah, I bet it will catch on with a group of them |
| 00:14.09 | Dashkal | But I only see it so much since I tend to get blogs in aggregate |
| 00:14.17 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 00:14.18 | Kaelten | ya |
| 00:14.26 | Dashkal | I'm all about the metablog |
| 00:14.26 | Kaelten | I like it up to a point |
| 00:14.31 | Dashkal | planeteclipse and co |
| 00:15.05 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 00:15.13 | Kaelten | I really would like to finish my blog |
| 00:15.21 | Kaelten | I never got done with it, heh |
| 00:15.45 | Dashkal | added the links to the ticket |
| 00:16.04 | Dashkal | that leaves http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/131-create-project-must-specify-localized-languages-when/ and one other |
| 00:16.11 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/74-request-multiple-repositories-that-syndicate-to-curse/ |
| 00:16.21 | Dashkal | should reword the second to just ask for multiple apart repos in general |
| 00:17.04 | Kaelten | ya, multiple part repos is an interesting thing too |
| 00:18.26 | Dashkal | My personal use case for that one opens a real can-o-worms, though... |
| 00:18.31 | Dashkal | One I'm trying to avoid |
| 00:18.41 | Kaelten | oh? |
| 00:19.10 | Dashkal | If you don't want to generate your personal Nexus RSA key in lua, the only alternative would be, well, outside of wow. Meaning external tool and copy-paste into wow. |
| 00:19.47 | Kaelten | if its a standard openssh style rsa key I already have one you can link to |
| 00:20.10 | Dashkal | Well, the private key will have to be in text sutable for copy-paste into a wow edit box. |
| 00:20.44 | Kaelten | http://www.curseforge.com/users/generate-keys/ |
| 00:21.19 | Kaelten | that looks suitable to me |
| 00:21.26 | Dashkal | That sort of idea, yes |
| 00:22.14 | Dashkal | long as I ultimately get all the important numbers into wow I'm golden |
| 00:22.20 | Dashkal | But like I said, I'm trying to avoid that need |
| 00:22.28 | Dashkal | If I can generate a key in under a minute, it won't matter. |
| 00:22.42 | Kaelten | all depends on how many bits you need |
| 00:22.53 | Kaelten | python can do it pretty quickly |
| 00:22.58 | Kaelten | nothing like C though |
| 00:23.02 | Dashkal | It's the prime detection code |
| 00:23.07 | Kaelten | ya |
| 00:23.15 | Dashkal | and the added requirement of not hammering the poor user's UI |
| 00:23.23 | Kaelten | coroutine? |
| 00:23.33 | Dashkal | LibTaskManager task :D |
| 00:23.47 | Kaelten | libtaskmanager? |
| 00:23.50 | Kaelten | missed that one |
| 00:23.57 | Dashkal | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/libtaskmanager/ |
| 00:24.14 | Dashkal | Not done, but I need it for nexus so it'll get done soon as I have tasks to feed it |
| 00:24.40 | Kaelten | hehe, nice |
| 00:25.17 | Dashkal | The task selection code needs a lil tweaking, but it's good enough for what I need |
| 00:25.46 | Dashkal | I have situations where I really could be generating a key in one "thread" and needing to do an md5 hash of a few hundred messages. |
| 00:26.05 | Kaelten | ouch |
| 00:26.30 | Dashkal | that's worst case: new user in a guild that makes heavy use of nexus |
| 00:27.21 | Dashkal | so the poor player is now downloading a ton of forum posts and crafting lists (and maybe the event calendar too), needing to validate anything he looks at, and all the while he's making his own key so he can post. And oh yeah! He might wanna play without having 1 FPS :p |
| 00:28.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:28.07 | Kaelten | thats not important! |
| 00:28.11 | Kaelten | comeon! |
| 00:29.52 | Kaelten | I just hope that WAR has good support |
| 00:30.05 | Dashkal | war... psh :p |
| 00:30.22 | Kaelten | :P |
| 00:30.31 | Kaelten | I'd love to have Ace for it during beta |
| 00:30.32 | Kaelten | that'd rock |
| 00:30.40 | pewpewarrows | I agree |
| 00:30.50 | Dashkal | :p |
| 00:31.14 | pewpewarrows | who's on the Ace porting project right now btw, just you Kaelten? |
| 00:31.24 | Dashkal | I'm actually designing Nexus to have ties to wow itself only where it absolutely must (the UI and the comm layer) for easy porting to other games |
| 00:31.34 | Kaelten | more or less, not much of a project until we have the ability to do something |
| 00:31.38 | pewpewarrows | true |
| 00:32.12 | pewpewarrows | well when the API is not under NDA anymore, I'll be more than happy to pitch in |
| 00:32.16 | Stanzilla | you're writing Ace for WAR? |
| 00:32.26 | Kaelten | its on my list of projects i'd love to do |
| 00:32.26 | pewpewarrows | I'm assuming youll be using curseforge for it :P |
| 00:32.34 | Kaelten | ;) |
| 00:32.39 | Kaelten | definately |
| 00:34.34 | Zyuu | I love firefox 3 |
| 00:34.36 | Zyuu | Reported Web Forgery! |
| 00:34.36 | Zyuu | This web site at www.sorbahuntsville.org has been reported as a web forgery and has been blocked based on your security preferences. |
| 00:34.36 | Zyuu | Web forgeries are designed to trick you into revealing personal or financial information by imitating sources you may trust. |
| 00:34.37 | Zyuu | Entering any information on this web page may result in identity theft or other fraud. |
| 00:35.07 | Kaelten | whats sorbahuntsville.org? |
| 00:35.18 | Kaelten | besides I get a 403 on it |
| 00:35.23 | pewpewarrows | webdeveloper and firebug are available, all that's left is yslow compatibility on ff3 |
| 00:35.35 | pewpewarrows | and then the triforce of firefox web design will be complete |
| 00:35.37 | Zyuu | I decided to test Firefox 3 and visited a "your paypal account has been limited" scam email |
| 00:35.46 | Zyuu | and it detected it |
| 00:35.48 | Zyuu | nice nice |
| 00:35.53 | Kaelten | pewpewarrows: I have yslow update earlier today |
| 00:35.59 | pewpewarrows | oh really? |
| 00:36.06 | Kaelten | yep its running |
| 00:36.25 | pewpewarrows | lol yes |
| 00:36.32 | pewpewarrows | just installed it |
| 00:36.36 | Zyuu | test it yourself |
| 00:36.36 | Zyuu | http://www.sorbahuntsville.org/g2data/cgi-bin/ |
| 00:36.40 | Zyuu | that's the url |
| 00:36.54 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 00:36.58 | Kaelten | its paypal! |
| 00:37.06 | Kaelten | I clicked "ignore this warning" a few times |
| 00:37.09 | Zyuu | you better login! |
| 00:37.13 | Kaelten | and it took me to something that looks a lot like paypal |
| 00:37.25 | Zyuu | yeah |
| 00:37.38 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:37.52 | Kaelten | bobdole@never.cum password: jackasses |
| 00:38.05 | Zyuu | its so stupid |
| 00:38.06 | Kaelten | then it says that I don't match their records! |
| 00:38.11 | Kaelten | sighs |
| 00:38.12 | pewpewarrows | oh noes! |
| 00:38.24 | Kaelten | actually one of the better forgeries |
| 00:38.31 | Kaelten | most I see are horrible. |
| 00:38.33 | pewpewarrows | Oh lord I've missed yslow |
| 00:38.46 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:40.10 | Kaelten | lol hellboy2 and the iphone are coming out on the same day |
| 00:40.50 | Zyuu | I bought an iphone recently |
| 00:40.52 | Zyuu | makes me mad :P |
| 00:40.55 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:40.56 | Zyuu | I want the new |
| 00:40.57 | pewpewarrows | :P |
| 00:41.09 | pewpewarrows | don't they offer some sort of step-up program? |
| 00:41.13 | pewpewarrows | I thought I read about that |
| 00:41.14 | Zyuu | www.telia.se/iphone |
| 00:41.19 | Kaelten | my phones getting ready to die |
| 00:41.21 | Kaelten | so its good timing |
| 00:41.21 | Zyuu | its even coming out in Sweden |
| 00:41.23 | Kaelten | in the US it depends on your purchase date |
| 00:41.27 | pewpewarrows | Kaelten, same here |
| 00:41.32 | Zyuu | not in Sweden pewpew |
| 00:44.42 | Kaelten | so just curious, would anyone here be crazy enough to want the email messages I'm working on via SMS? |
| 00:45.10 | pewpewarrows | from curseforge? |
| 00:45.18 | Zyuu | every commit please |
| 00:45.18 | Kaelten | ya |
| 00:45.29 | Zyuu | ckknight |
| 00:45.31 | Zyuu | did you get the invite email |
| 00:45.34 | Kaelten | just for you Zyuu |
| 00:45.41 | Zyuu | id visit you personally |
| 00:45.47 | Kaelten | invite email? |
| 00:45.58 | Zyuu | just for tvtorrents.com |
| 00:46.04 | Kaelten | heh |
| 00:46.05 | pewpewarrows | I definitely wouldn't use it unless it had heavy filtering capabilities |
| 00:46.18 | Kaelten | well here is the email system I'm working on |
| 00:46.47 | Kaelten | on a per subscription basis you'd be able to specify frequency and delivery options, |
| 00:47.15 | Kaelten | and a subscription would be like "new tickets on x project" or "new files on x project" |
| 00:47.36 | Zyuu | http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1089107&page=0&vc=#Post1089107 |
| 00:47.38 | Zyuu | hah finally |
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| 00:48.27 | Kaelten | heh |
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| 00:52.21 | kaelten_ | pewpewarrows: would that be filtered enough? |
| 00:52.23 | kaelten_ | bah |
| 00:52.25 | kaelten_ | damn wireless |
| 00:52.36 | pewpewarrows | I think so, yeah |
| 00:53.41 | pewpewarrows | I'd like the option to be emailed about a milestone of an addon I'm following. |
| 00:54.45 | kaelten_ | hrm? |
| 00:55.54 | pewpewarrows | From the frontpage news. |
| 00:56.03 | pewpewarrows | I remember reading about milestones as a feature |
| 00:56.11 | pewpewarrows | idk, maybe I interpreted it wrong |
| 00:56.33 | kaelten_ | yes milestones are in |
| 00:56.36 | pewpewarrows | because oftentimes a new release isn't that big a deal to me from an end-user perspective |
| 00:56.39 | kaelten_ | so I can say the 1.0 milestone |
| 00:56.52 | pewpewarrows | but if a big new feature is added |
| 00:57.02 | kaelten_ | ah, so you'd like to know when a milestone has been completed |
| 00:57.07 | pewpewarrows | right |
| 00:57.11 | pewpewarrows | that's what I meant ;) |
| 01:07.43 | Dashkal | hmm, my freq tickets all fit on one page. Either this is a good thing or I need to request more features :p |
| 01:08.20 | Kody- | Request more features IMO |
| 01:08.28 | Kody- | ckknight is running low on things to do! |
| 01:09.07 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 01:09.16 | Dashkal | Is he currently on CF? |
| 01:12.22 | Kody- | He's working on a few things for Curse.com I think |
| 01:12.38 | Kody- | The new Curse.com that is (with backend code that actually works properly) |
| 01:13.28 | kaelten_ | ya, he had a day or two he worked on curseforge, but he's back on curse.com now |
| 01:14.34 | kaelten_ | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/06/17/the-cake-is-a-lie-ie-team-bakes-a-treat-for-mozilla |
| 01:14.35 | kaelten_ | lol |
| 01:16.23 | Dashkal | I figured :p |
| 01:16.40 | Dashkal | But I don't care that much about curse.com atm... only because I rarely use the main site. |
| 01:16.44 | Dashkal | So no freqs :p |
| 01:17.26 | kaelten_ | well give me fore freqs for CF :) |
| 01:17.47 | Dashkal | heh |
| 01:18.07 | Dashkal | Actually, thinking about it, the current set of active ones pretty much cover what I'd like to see. |
| 01:18.11 | Dashkal | It's a very solid product |
| 01:18.40 | kaelten_ | :) |
| 01:18.42 | kaelten_ | glad you think so |
| 01:18.47 | Dashkal | Erm, strike that. I'll be after you for an improved externals interface. Right about the point where I'm ready to use it and understand what I want from it. |
| 01:18.56 | kaelten_ | lol |
| 01:19.07 | kaelten_ | well my idea is to have a list of edit boxes |
| 01:19.11 | Dashkal | An arcane text bos is not a pretty interface :p |
| 01:19.13 | Dashkal | box* |
| 01:19.39 | kaelten_ | awe |
| 01:19.41 | kaelten_ | why not? |
| 01:19.45 | Dashkal | *shudder* |
| 01:20.00 | kaelten_ | also we're talking about having a community contest for a better logo |
| 01:20.41 | Dashkal | No artistic talent whatsoever :p |
| 01:20.49 | Kody- | What's wrong with the current logo? |
| 01:20.53 | Dashkal | That too |
| 01:21.22 | kaelten_ | I liked the old one better |
| 01:21.35 | Kody- | Well... |
| 01:21.47 | Kody- | I did too, but that's not gonna save it :P |
| 01:21.52 | kaelten_ | I know |
| 01:21.57 | kaelten_ | which is why I suggest the contest. |
| 01:22.36 | Dashkal | yeah, I tried to brainstorm ideas for the externals and came up blank. Will definitely need to explore my own requirements before posting any tickets. |
| 01:23.01 | kaelten_ | well my idea si to have multiple text boxes per row and have a row per external |
| 01:23.40 | Dashkal | I'm thinking requirements that are even more general than that. Asking the question "what will this accomplish regarding my package"? |
| 01:23.55 | kaelten_ | ah |
| 01:24.28 | kaelten_ | the purpose is so that for example Ace3 in your addon you could say check out from here and zip it in my package under this directory. |
| 01:24.43 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 01:25.02 | Dashkal | I need to understand how Nexus will handle its deps first. I'm not decided on how I'm going to package the sucker |
| 01:25.12 | kaelten_ | heh |
| 01:25.18 | kaelten_ | good luck on that |
| 01:25.43 | Dashkal | And each of the four components will have their own deps. And each of them may be split into one or more folders depending on what parts of those end up load-on-demand |
| 01:25.52 | Dashkal | making one hell of a mess if I don't think it through |
| 01:25.57 | kaelten_ | lol |
| 01:26.02 | Dashkal | So yeah, I'll get back to you when I understand what I want :p |
| 01:26.03 | kaelten_ | good luck on that |
| 01:27.06 | Dashkal | Much like a certain ah addon I don't want to highlight, I'm going to have seporate directories for the different components. But I might, for example, make the config stuff LoD. The lod portion would have deps (Like AceGUI) that the core would not. |
| 01:27.30 | kaelten_ | *nods* |
| 01:27.36 | kaelten_ | OneBag is kinda split up like that |
| 01:27.59 | kaelten_ | But because everything depends on the OneBag core mod I work under the assumption that all of OneBag's deps are present |
| 01:28.01 | Dashkal | People aren't gonna mess with the nexus core config after getting it up once, so why would they want all those frames loading? |
| 01:28.29 | Dashkal | But that means a new folder under addons with its own embedded libs. *sigh* |
| 01:28.46 | Dashkal | Someone care to tell me what I was smoking when I came up with this crazy concept? |
| 01:29.11 | kaelten_ | gloryweed? |
| 01:29.47 | kaelten_ | crazysauce? |
| 01:30.16 | Dashkal | someone slipped some nightmare vine in my earl grey |
| 01:31.00 | Dashkal | on the plus side I've *finally* digested enough of the book that I can start prototyping UIs in xml now |
| 01:31.39 | Dashkal | Though that won't happen until I get out of tortage :p |
| 01:31.47 | kaelten_ | lol |
| 01:31.55 | kaelten_ | read the chapter about uis without xml |
| 01:31.55 | Dashkal | I'm loving my assassin |
| 01:32.05 | kaelten_ | its much saner |
| 01:32.07 | kaelten_ | brb |
| 01:32.16 | Dashkal | I intend to do it that way when I do it for real |
| 01:34.37 | Dashkal | ok, it's really late. I'm going home now |
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| 02:41.56 | kaelten_ | heya dash |
| 02:42.30 | kaelten_ | ok guys I just fixed a bug where the new svn passwords weren't getting propagated properly. I've fixed it and sync'd the passwords people had tried to set |
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| 11:53.32 | cncfanatics | yo ppl |
| 11:54.30 | Zyuu | arrowmaster, to restore it you have to follow the steps provided |
| 11:54.40 | Zyuu | its just a normal tool that modify the registry etc |
| 11:54.41 | Zyuu | hey cnc |
| 11:54.44 | cncfanatics | why is the svn pw stored in plaintext ? |
| 11:54.48 | cncfanatics | can't it be encrypted ? :o |
| 11:55.54 | cncfanatics | I'm thinking it shouldn't be too hard to modify the sources of the svn server to store it in md5 or so |
| 11:57.10 | cncfanatics | anyone ? :o |
| 12:04.29 | charon | what's the point? |
| 12:04.59 | cncfanatics | I think its a bit stupid to store plaintext passwords :p |
| 12:05.05 | charon | but think it through |
| 12:05.23 | charon | either the client somehow reconstructs the password from the storage, in which case it wasn't secure in the first place |
| 12:05.42 | charon | or the client sends the md5 to the server and the server verifies that, in which case the md5 is really the password and it wasn't secure in the first place |
| 12:05.47 | charon | either way you lose |
| 12:06.09 | charon | unless you protect the password with crypto and decrypt it with a password prompt, but then you might as well not save it in the first place. |
| 12:06.45 | cncfanatics | well, I supose the password is salted with some salt known to the server |
| 12:07.27 | charon | that doesn't change anything |
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| 12:08.27 | charon | and the md5 authentication you're thinking of is different, it means the server sends a challenge, and the client sends back an md5 hash that he can only compute if he has both challenge and plaintext password |
| 12:11.16 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.24 | cncfanatics | silly svn |
| 12:12.01 | charon | huh? |
| 12:12.20 | cncfanatics | why does svn work with a retarted system that needs plain text passwords on the server ? |
| 12:13.08 | charon | oh you mean the server side. then i probably misunderstood you all the time |
| 12:13.20 | cncfanatics | -.- |
| 12:13.21 | charon | but all my svn servers use mod_dav_svn and apache's auth |
| 12:13.25 | charon | which does support md5 |
| 12:14.25 | charon | "all" sounds so pretentious... both of them. |
| 12:14.43 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 12:14.52 | cncfanatics | "all" and "both of them" give a totaly different impression :p |
| 12:15.59 | charon | well, one of them does have a user base in the two figures and a post-commit hook a la files.wowace.com whose output gets 1000-1500 hits every week |
| 12:16.04 | charon | so it's not just another toy project |
| 12:16.27 | cncfanatics | nice stuff |
| 12:22.06 | ckknight | cncfanatics: no, we can't encrypt the password unless the server and all clients upgrade to svn 1.5, which is not released yet. |
| 12:22.41 | ckknight | in other news, I just released Cartographer3 v0.3 |
| 12:22.50 | Zyuu | whats new? |
| 12:23.21 | ckknight | from v0.2, mostly polish |
| 12:23.41 | ckknight | I added an option to change the point where the textures change |
| 12:23.50 | ckknight | using Blizz options |
| 12:24.23 | ckknight | changed the strata to FULLSCREEN |
| 12:24.41 | ckknight | and fixed a bug with corpse pois on login |
| 12:25.00 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/?filter_status=+&filter_milestone=v0-3 |
| 12:26.03 | Chompers | oooh, time to test |
| 12:30.53 | cncfanatics | ckknight: <3 |
| 12:32.12 | ckknight | I plan to use milestones from here on out |
| 12:32.28 | ckknight | basically choose the tickets I deem necessary for the next release and tag once those tickets are done |
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| 13:16.25 | Kaelten | g'morning everyone |
| 13:19.30 | Elkano | morning Kaelten |
| 13:20.16 | Kaelten | hows it going elk? |
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| 13:48.01 | Kaelten | hiew pew pew and p3lim |
| 13:48.08 | pewpewarrows | heya |
| 13:48.58 | p3lim | hellu |
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| 14:26.59 | Elkano | fine Kaelten, just downed Gruul with a random group ^^ |
| 14:27.21 | Chryso | Gruul ? |
| 14:28.13 | Elkano | yeah |
| 14:29.06 | Chryso | <-- a guy who left WoW like 2 or 3 years ago ^^ |
| 14:29.15 | pewpewarrows | Hehe |
| 14:29.25 | pewpewarrows | don't worry about it Chryso, you didn't miss much |
| 14:30.26 | Chryso | and i gain a lot :) |
| 14:30.34 | Chryso | retrieved my old patience ^^ |
| 14:30.37 | pewpewarrows | :D |
| 14:37.46 | Chryso | ouch |
| 14:37.58 | Chryso | can't find the dependency in the new warhammer version |
| 14:38.08 | Chryso | need to update my work working copy :( |
| 14:38.22 | Chryso | oups wrong chan sorry |
| 14:38.29 | pewpewarrows | might want to switch channels Chryso ;) |
| 14:43.56 | ckknight | I need votes for http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/278-add-id-to-ticket-name-references/ |
| 14:43.58 | ckknight | whether up or down |
| 14:46.32 | pewpewarrows | done |
| 14:47.14 | ckknight | also, what would be a good format? 1234: Name or 1234 - Name or 1234-Name or what? |
| 14:47.21 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 14:47.29 | ckknight | I'm inherently uncreative with these things |
| 14:47.30 | nevcairiel | Name (123) ? |
| 14:47.36 | pewpewarrows | hmm |
| 14:47.38 | nevcairiel | hm maybe not |
| 14:47.41 | nevcairiel | (123) name? |
| 14:47.43 | cncfanatics | ckknight: 1234 - name |
| 14:47.45 | cncfanatics | imho |
| 14:47.53 | ckknight | nevcairiel: I think keeping it on the front would be best, since it's on the front in the url and the like |
| 14:47.54 | pewpewarrows | I agree with cncfanatics |
| 14:48.02 | pewpewarrows | I think I've seen that formatting the most |
| 14:49.40 | cncfanatics | btw, <3 whoever implemented the packager |
| 14:50.19 | Chryso | [1234] name |
| 14:50.24 | ckknight | cncfanatics: me |
| 14:52.05 | cncfanatics | ckknight: cheers for that |
| 14:53.23 | cncfanatics | ckknight: didn't you get put on another project then cf though ? :o |
| 14:53.34 | ckknight | yea |
| 14:53.42 | ckknight | curse.com's premium stuff |
| 14:57.25 | nevcairiel | so what do i get for my premium account? |
| 14:58.04 | ckknight | lack of ads |
| 14:58.08 | ckknight | other stuff |
| 14:58.14 | ckknight | there's a list somewhere |
| 14:58.19 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 14:58.25 | ckknight | I don't know off the top of my head |
| 15:00.01 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: enhanced functionality from the new curse client, no ads, more site features |
| 15:00.01 | cncfanatics | who's the "big boss" of curse anyway ? |
| 15:00.09 | Kaelten | netcurse |
| 15:00.42 | Kaelten | he's the CEO |
| 15:01.42 | ckknight | big boss = shareholders, imo |
| 15:02.26 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 15:12.37 | ckknight | okay, apparently http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/278-add-id-to-ticket-name-references/ is implemented on the site now |
| 15:13.26 | Chryso | ckknight, seems like it is not always true :) see yahoo :) |
| 15:13.36 | Chryso | his name is really netcurse ? |
| 15:13.56 | pewpewarrows | no, just his irc nick |
| 15:14.17 | Chryso | k |
| 15:14.18 | ckknight | Chryso: his name is Hubert, his nick is netcurse |
| 15:14.25 | Chryso | k, tx |
| 15:14.38 | ckknight | Chryso: what about Yahoo? |
| 15:14.59 | Chryso | the CEO went against one of the major shareholders when refusing microsoft offer no ? |
| 15:15.32 | ckknight | overall the ones wanting to merge were minority shareholders |
| 15:15.43 | Chryso | k |
| 15:15.43 | ckknight | had they been majority, it could've been overruled easily |
| 15:25.10 | charon | i should learn to spend my time more effectively... when i come to the office in the morning, i read mail and comics till i'm awake enough for real work. late in the afternoon i'm usually so clever that i can give maple problems that take minutes to hours to compute. it would be far more effective if i came up with said problems in the morning and spent the long wait on comics :( |
| 15:25.50 | pewpewarrows | feeds are the devil |
| 15:26.38 | nevcairiel | charon: solution, get up earlier, do your "free time" before work, when you get smart go to work, and sleep after work |
| 15:26.47 | pewpewarrows | it's gotten to the point that I wrote a bash script to prevent me from going to google reader before noon :P |
| 15:26.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:27.08 | nevcairiel | i would kill that script when it stops me from accessing stuff |
| 15:27.17 | nevcairiel | even if i decided to run it just a day earlier |
| 15:27.17 | charon | nevcairiel: what, earlier than 11am? |
| 15:27.29 | nevcairiel | yea :P |
| 15:27.30 | charon | (kidding) |
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| 16:30.43 | Zyuu | hey guys |
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| 16:31.32 | pewpewarrows | heya |
| 16:36.41 | Zyuu | man my net was down |
| 16:36.43 | Zyuu | for awhile |
| 16:37.11 | pewpewarrows | how long is awhile? |
| 16:39.55 | Zyuu | several hours |
| 16:39.56 | Zyuu | =( |
| 16:39.59 | Kaelten | ouch |
| 16:40.01 | Kaelten | that sucks |
| 16:40.09 | nevcairiel | more time for sleep |
| 16:40.18 | Zyuu | yeah since I like to take care of some stuff when I wake up |
| 16:40.20 | pewpewarrows | yeah I'd just take a nap |
| 16:40.21 | Zyuu | but I didnt today |
| 16:40.24 | Zyuu | so now I have to work longer |
| 16:40.33 | Zyuu | I went and bought cat stuff, I get a kitten on Friday :) |
| 16:40.37 | pewpewarrows | oh nice |
| 16:40.40 | pewpewarrows | name it yet? |
| 16:40.43 | Zyuu | Luna |
| 16:40.49 | pewpewarrows | ^^ |
| 16:40.58 | Zyuu | Bengal cat :D |
| 16:40.59 | Zyuu | yay |
| 16:41.08 | Zyuu | anyway time to work |
| 16:41.09 | pewpewarrows | hehe |
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| 17:02.06 | Dashkal | Mwrarfv |
| 17:02.39 | pewpewarrows | god bless you? |
| 17:09.28 | Dashkal | Unlikely |
| 17:09.53 | pewpewarrows | :P |
| 17:19.46 | Dashkal | bah, that slouken post regarding the UI fix for 2.3 just makes me wonder what they found |
| 17:19.52 | Dashkal | erm, 2.4.3 |
| 17:22.21 | nevcairiel | i know it, i know it! |
| 17:23.02 | charon | probably that chinese macro mod thingy? |
| 17:23.06 | Dashkal | to take the bair or not to take the bait? |
| 17:23.18 | Dashkal | what the hell... oh do you? |
| 17:23.43 | nevcairiel | can you link me to the post so i am sure to speak of the same thing? |
| 17:24.20 | Dashkal | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/7116597659.htm |
| 17:24.31 | nevcairiel | ah yeah |
| 17:24.33 | nevcairiel | same thing |
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| 17:26.17 | Hjalte | What was the problem, that was edited out? |
| 17:27.54 | cncfanatics | weird thingy on curseforge, some ticket says it has 5 votes in the listing |
| 17:27.58 | cncfanatics | but when I click on it I only see 3 votes |
| 17:28.17 | Dashkal | is one a +2 and the other a +3? |
| 17:28.17 | cncfanatics | caching issues ? |
| 17:28.18 | pewpewarrows | cached? |
| 17:28.27 | cncfanatics | aaah, thats how it works |
| 17:28.30 | cncfanatics | +3 and 2x + 1 |
| 17:28.32 | cncfanatics | I see :) |
| 17:28.41 | pewpewarrows | or that :P |
| 17:28.51 | cncfanatics | shld rename the tabs from votes to score then |
| 17:28.54 | cncfanatics | votes is to ambigous |
| 17:29.13 | Dashkal | waits for someone to make the obvious reply |
| 17:29.40 | Stanzilla | hm |
| 17:29.50 | Stanzilla | cncfanatics: ticket! |
| 17:29.52 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 17:30.07 | Dashkal | :p |
| 17:30.08 | pewpewarrows | :P |
| 17:30.49 | cncfanatics | its just a damn string to change :p |
| 17:31.13 | Dashkal | cnc, look at the current tickets for CF. His todo list is a touch long atm :p |
| 17:31.25 | Dashkal | even trivial changes need to get in the queue or face being forgotten |
| 17:31.32 | pewpewarrows | right |
| 17:32.34 | ckknight | cncfanatics: ticket. |
| 17:33.54 | Dashkal | bash needs proper associative arrays *sighs* |
| 17:34.14 | pewpewarrows | amen to that |
| 17:34.19 | Dashkal | $(eval echo \$${foo}bar) is kinda strange... |
| 17:34.25 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 17:34.42 | pewpewarrows | I mostly just use python these days |
| 17:35.08 | Dashkal | I'm dealing with enough command-line tools right now that this is simpler for me, but I've been tempted to jump |
| 17:35.33 | Dashkal | Python would be wonderful if he had start/end markers for it's blocks instead of indentation *sighs* |
| 17:35.48 | ckknight | hehe |
| 17:35.51 | pewpewarrows | :P |
| 17:36.02 | pewpewarrows | I got used to it really quickly |
| 17:36.18 | Dashkal | I can handle it well enough, it just annoys me having whitespace be so significant |
| 17:36.29 | pewpewarrows | yeah I can understand that |
| 17:37.05 | Dashkal | sadly my boss doesn't know python so I can't use it for this purpose. |
| 17:37.15 | Dashkal | And I don't know perl so I can't use that one |
| 17:37.24 | pewpewarrows | even if they just had backwards support to add end labels to everything like they do for if's |
| 17:37.26 | pewpewarrows | endif |
| 17:37.31 | pewpewarrows | endclass |
| 17:37.36 | pewpewarrows | for example |
| 17:37.37 | Dashkal | *nods* that would be enough |
| 17:37.59 | ckknight | pewpewarrows: ick |
| 17:38.05 | pewpewarrows | ugly, I know |
| 17:38.08 | pewpewarrows | :P |
| 17:38.14 | ckknight | I prefer the rubyesque "end" rather than the VB-esque "endclass" |
| 17:38.17 | Dashkal | personally I like braces, but then I've been doing C and family for a long long while |
| 17:38.26 | pewpewarrows | ckknight: I agree |
| 17:38.35 | cncfanatics | <3 braces indeed |
| 17:53.52 | Dashkal | Uh oh, the bitter gnome returns... (2.4.3 PTR forums are up) |
| 17:54.04 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 17:54.45 | Dashkal | Lets see how hostile he is this time around |
| 17:55.24 | AckisWork | 2.4.3? |
| 17:55.34 | Dashkal | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/7116398867.htm |
| 17:56.04 | AckisWork | ahh no patch notes? |
| 17:56.08 | AckisWork | like "trolls now have boots" |
| 17:56.14 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: don't forget that exploit. Once it's patched I'm gonna want details :p |
| 17:56.34 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:56.39 | nevcairiel | i bet you can google it |
| 17:56.46 | Dashkal | good point |
| 17:57.11 | nevcairiel | its pretty easy too |
| 17:57.19 | nevcairiel | the thread already points you in the right direction |
| 17:58.04 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 17:58.06 | Dashkal | oh nice |
| 17:58.12 | Dashkal | too bad they're fixing that |
| 17:58.49 | AckisWork | exploit? |
| 17:59.08 | Dashkal | Not too interested in the details (it'll be fixed soon anyway) I just wanted to know what it did |
| 17:59.10 | AckisWork | that "mod" that's out that allows you to play the game without annoyances? |
| 17:59.36 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 17:59.44 | nevcairiel | that exploit that allows realtime comm :P |
| 17:59.47 | Dashkal | AckisWork: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/7116597659.htm |
| 18:00.17 | AckisWork | ehh what's bad about realtime comm? |
| 18:00.52 | AckisWork | (PS: I get grumpy when having to do sunwell trash and I don't have the good ole decursive :P) |
| 18:01.06 | Dashkal | I've never understood their aversion myself |
| 18:01.58 | pewpewarrows | I don't understand why a result comes up in google, and when I try to view the cache of it, it tells me it doesn't exist |
| 18:54.27 | cncfanatics | hmmm, can I suggest something for wowdb in here ? |
| 18:54.49 | cncfanatics | related to counting pattern drops, is it possible to only count kills from the people who have the profession required for seeing the pattern ? |
| 18:54.55 | cncfanatics | because atm the rates are WAY inflated |
| 18:59.57 | ckknight | cncfanatics: patterns don't drop for everyone? |
| 19:00.10 | ckknight | cncfanatics: note: this is actually a CurseProfiler issue, which I wrote |
| 19:01.03 | Dashkal | ckknight: BoP patterns will not drop for those without the prof |
| 19:01.04 | Dashkal | BoE will drop regardless |
| 19:01.04 | Dashkal | erll, unbound |
| 19:01.40 | Dashkal | For those not paying attention in one of the other channels, the 2.4.3 patch notes are up on the official site and mmo-champion.com |
| 19:01.47 | ckknight | cncfanatics: make a ticket for CurseProfiler 2.0 |
| 19:02.08 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/curse-profiler-2/ |
| 19:09.54 | cncfanatics | ckknight: you didn't know ? :o |
| 19:10.52 | ckknight | how would I know? I don't play WoW much |
| 19:10.55 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:10.59 | ckknight | I played some this morning |
| 19:11.01 | ckknight | dinged 19 |
| 19:11.01 | cncfanatics | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/curse-profiler-2/tickets/2-bo-p-pattern-drop-counting/ |
| 19:12.13 | cncfanatics | :s |
| 19:12.16 | cncfanatics | GET A 70 |
| 19:12.23 | Dashkal | *snickers* |
| 19:12.28 | Dashkal | I'm ahead of you on that server then :p |
| 19:12.39 | cncfanatics | btw Dashkal |
| 19:12.43 | cncfanatics | thanks a lot for your help on java |
| 19:12.45 | Dashkal | Then I heard that you won't need a 55 on the server to roll on that server so I stopped |
| 19:12.48 | cncfanatics | got 97% for my java :p |
| 19:12.48 | Dashkal | welcome, cnc |
| 19:12.52 | Dashkal | very nice |
| 19:15.48 | Zyuu | http://news.curse.com/details/10889/ |
| 19:18.44 | ckknight | you're late, Zyuu |
| 19:24.13 | Kaelten | holy shit paladins can now get their mount at 30? |
| 19:24.15 | Kaelten | can everyone? |
| 19:24.23 | Kaelten | holy shit they can |
| 19:24.24 | Kaelten | damn |
| 19:24.27 | Dashkal | :D |
| 19:24.28 | pewpewarrows | really? |
| 19:24.29 | nevcairiel | yeah everyone |
| 19:24.29 | pewpewarrows | wow |
| 19:24.32 | Dashkal | Desolace doesn't suck anymore! |
| 19:24.38 | Kaelten | no it still sucks |
| 19:24.43 | Dashkal | ok, not as much |
| 19:24.45 | Kaelten | just won't take as long to get through it |
| 19:24.48 | nevcairiel | stranglethorn is nicer now! |
| 19:24.51 | Dashkal | Half my time in that damn zone was running it |
| 19:25.03 | Dashkal | ganklethorn will always suck :p |
| 19:25.06 | pewpewarrows | who levels in desolace anymore after the leveling patch? |
| 19:25.14 | Kaelten | heh |
| 19:25.15 | Dashkal | I still do a few in there |
| 19:25.26 | Dashkal | I like being at 42 when I leave dustwallow |
| 19:25.54 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 19:26.27 | Dashkal | I just do the first wave. centaur ears, magrim centaur, koklar centaur, then they send you off to swamp of sorrows and I drop quests and gtfo |
| 19:28.20 | Kaelten | heh |
| 19:28.26 | Kaelten | I've never done the centaur quests |
| 19:28.29 | Kaelten | always skipped them |
| 19:28.42 | Dashkal | Good grinding XP. Like Nessingwary, do it with rested xp for a nice boost |
| 19:28.51 | Kaelten | the Lua changes are very minor it looks like though |
| 19:29.07 | pewpewarrows | yeah |
| 19:29.12 | Kaelten | * Custom categories in the UI Options panel will be alphabetized, and subcategories shown in the order they were registered. Subcategories will also be re-sortable by AddOn code. |
| 19:29.12 | Kaelten | * Double quotes within strings will be correctly escaped in combat logfile output. |
| 19:29.13 | pewpewarrows | nothing significant there |
| 19:29.34 | Dashkal | If that's it, nothing is going to break |
| 19:31.39 | Kaelten | lmao Haris Pilton has launched a new line of bags and jewelry. Check her out in the Worldâs End Tavern! |
| 19:34.03 | nevcairiel | ah they implemented the better blizz options :) |
| 19:34.24 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: they did? I missed anything about making it resizable... |
| 19:34.37 | nevcairiel | any addon can make it resizable |
| 19:34.42 | nevcairiel | and by better i dont mean that addon |
| 19:34.57 | Dashkal | ahh. misunderstood |
| 19:35.02 | Dashkal | want out of the box rezizable :p |
| 19:42.02 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: you not going to notice my next few commits to wowace ok? |
| 19:42.11 | Kaelten | pardon? |
| 19:42.27 | Arrowmaster | your going to ignore my next few commits on wowace, k? |
| 19:43.20 | Kaelten | whats in them? |
| 19:43.28 | AckisWork | waves the magic wand to make Kaelten forgot |
| 19:43.32 | Arrowmaster | nothing at all |
| 19:43.55 | Kaelten | wonders if he should remove arrow's svn access real quick |
| 19:44.04 | Arrowmaster | no really theyre nothing at all |
| 19:44.06 | AckisWork | it's for a good reason |
| 19:44.10 | Arrowmaster | since theyre going to be deletes |
| 19:44.44 | Kaelten | what are you deleting? |
| 19:44.50 | Arrowmaster | Alar2.0, i mean LordFarlander, is at it again |
| 19:44.56 | Kaelten | oh? |
| 19:45.33 | Arrowmaster | new 'Rock' versions of existing SpecialEvents libs (that nobody but him is going to use) |
| 19:45.37 | AckisWork | - SpecialEvents-Mount-2.0 ported to Rock ala LibSpecialEvents-Aura-3.0 |
| 19:45.58 | Kaelten | :s |
| 19:46.03 | Kaelten | wtf? |
| 19:46.11 | Arrowmaster | ammo already foribly renamed his damn LibHelper-1.0 |
| 19:46.20 | AckisWork | I just don't understand why... aren't they libstubbed aka framework independent? |
| 19:46.31 | Arrowmaster | and i want to do the deletes so dont even think about doing it before me |
| 19:46.35 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: at least it's not "HealperLib-1.0" |
| 19:46.50 | AckisWork | s/HealperLib-1.0/HelperLib-1.0/ |
| 19:47.17 | Kaelten | what did he rename it o? |
| 19:47.29 | Arrowmaster | LibLordFarlander or something |
| 19:47.31 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:47.45 | Arrowmaster | actually better idea, ill fucking move them into that |
| 19:47.49 | Stanzilla | Ammo renamed it |
| 19:48.05 | Kaelten | what? |
| 19:48.05 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 19:48.17 | Stanzilla | his LibHelper-1.0 ^^ |
| 19:48.21 | Arrowmaster | the guy is Alar2.0, hes totally fucking clueless |
| 19:50.35 | Kaelten | shakes head |
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| 19:55.45 | Arrowmaster | you didnt see those k |
| 19:56.05 | ckknight | k. |
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| 19:59.03 | Kaelten | hrm? I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 19:59.53 | Snago | lol, speak of the devil |
| 20:00.14 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:01.54 | nevcairiel | specialevents-aura-3.0 should've never existed either, though |
| 20:01.57 | nevcairiel | not as a rock-lib anyway |
| 20:02.04 | nevcairiel | its only being used by pitbull i bet :P |
| 20:02.57 | AckisWork | I wonder if we're at the point to retire Babble2.2 :P (rhetorical question, don't argue) |
| 20:03.22 | nevcairiel | i dont have -2.2 anymore in my addon set |
| 20:03.34 | AckisWork | nor do I |
| 20:04.10 | nevcairiel | anyway, if someone really wants to port the special events shit |
| 20:04.14 | nevcairiel | do it with callbackhandler |
| 20:04.16 | nevcairiel | and not rock o.O |
| 20:05.18 | sylvanaar | politics ----> |
| 20:05.41 | nevcairiel | its not politics |
| 20:05.47 | nevcairiel | its just practicallity |
| 20:05.55 | nevcairiel | not like anyone is going to use it, if it requires rock |
| 20:05.55 | sylvanaar | demagogy too |
| 20:06.01 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 20:06.41 | nevcairiel | callbackhandler is maybe 100 lines of code that handles all what you need for providing a event-driven library |
| 20:07.04 | cncfanatics | callbackhandler is probably very near the code someone would write if he needed callbacks in the first place |
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| 20:09.01 | sylvanaar | didnt both of you write it? |
| 20:09.26 | sylvanaar | or work on it |
| 20:09.58 | nevcairiel | i fixed some stuff in it |
| 20:10.01 | nevcairiel | mikk wrote it |
| 20:10.06 | nevcairiel | cnc didnt have anything todo with it |
| 20:10.42 | sylvanaar | ah, i see |
| 20:14.04 | cncfanatics | I don't have anything to do with any lib on wowace :p |
| 20:14.10 | sylvanaar | so, who is doing the community building for the curseforge? |
| 20:14.39 | sylvanaar | ooops i called it the curseforge |
| 20:15.37 | sylvanaar | is that Zyuu? or is Zyuu mostly doing liason type stuff |
| 20:19.12 | ckknight | no |
| 20:19.28 | ckknight | sylvanaar: somewhere in between Kaelten, myself, and ZealotOnAStick |
| 20:21.16 | ckknight | why? |
| 20:21.21 | ckknight | wanna build a community? |
| 20:21.31 | ckknight | I can make you the prince of the prairie |
| 20:21.55 | sylvanaar | i was just curious about what you guys have planned wrt that |
| 20:22.08 | ckknight | there are plans |
| 20:22.24 | ckknight | I think the current goal is to get a few more important features out first |
| 20:22.42 | ckknight | IRC bot, emails-on-demand |
| 20:22.44 | ckknight | etc. |
| 20:23.20 | sylvanaar | are you going to do the svn1.5 thing? they are still on track for release in about a week or so |
| 20:23.21 | Dashkal | watches hapily as his active ticket list shrinks |
| 20:24.28 | sylvanaar | yeah - being able to ping a CIA bot would be good too |
| 20:24.58 | ckknight | sylvanaar: once they release |
| 20:25.16 | ckknight | I think we might initially just ping CIA, then possibly later make our own bot |
| 20:25.50 | sylvanaar | yeah, that way ppl can have their own bots |
| 20:26.27 | Dashkal | oh that just gave me an idea... |
| 20:26.33 | ckknight | it was more so that we could have cool things like ticket reporting on IRC and the like |
| 20:26.45 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: I'm open to the 1.5 thing but I won't be jumping on it right at release |
| 20:27.20 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: can has for wowace too plx? |
| 20:27.58 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 20:28.00 | sylvanaar | Kaelten i know - you will have to have to have your own beta test of it anyways |
| 20:28.11 | Kaelten | yep, more or less |
| 20:28.18 | Kaelten | but I hear it has spiffy new features. |
| 20:28.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:28.23 | Kaelten | so I'm definately interested |
| 20:28.25 | nevcairiel | that why i want it :) |
| 20:28.28 | pewpewarrows | such as? |
| 20:28.29 | sylvanaar | its a major upgrade |
| 20:28.40 | Kaelten | I'd also like to wait until ubuntu (or at least debian) has a stable package for it |
| 20:28.55 | Kaelten | even if I have to go in and edit the dependencies to make it install it'll be worth it. |
| 20:28.55 | sylvanaar | they call it the most significant release since 1.0 on their site |
| 20:28.56 | Dashkal | Kaelten: <3 |
| 20:29.01 | nevcairiel | that can be a while :P |
| 20:29.05 | Dashkal | I do not want to have to compile 1.5 myself to use it :p |
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| 20:29.10 | nevcairiel | debian and stable packages.. |
| 20:29.16 | pewpewarrows | lol |
| 20:29.17 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:29.22 | pewpewarrows | well said nevcairiel |
| 20:29.22 | nevcairiel | they are years behind with stuff |
| 20:29.27 | Dashkal | wait, deb? deb will be years after ubuntu :p |
| 20:29.32 | pewpewarrows | but.... STABLE... ^^ |
| 20:29.34 | Dashkal | <--- too slow |
| 20:29.44 | Kaelten | well the servers are ubuntu |
| 20:29.46 | Dashkal | once it hits hardy-backports you're golden |
| 20:30.00 | nevcairiel | ubuntu will probably be faster |
| 20:30.00 | Dashkal | but waiting for the next one will be awhile |
| 20:30.29 | Dashkal | 1.5 won't hit stable until 9.04 |
| 20:30.35 | Dashkal | erm, 8.10 |
| 20:30.41 | Kaelten | hrm, trying to figure out if I'm running 7.1 or 8.04 |
| 20:30.47 | Dashkal | cat /etc/issue |
| 20:30.53 | ckknight | Kaelten: .10 â .1 |
| 20:31.00 | Kaelten | 7.10 |
| 20:31.13 | nevcairiel | they dont introduce updates like a new svn into a existing version of the os? |
| 20:31.13 | Dashkal | you may never see a 1.5 package for 7.10 |
| 20:31.14 | nevcairiel | wtf? :) |
| 20:31.25 | pewpewarrows | using irc from excel and having those decimals truncated? |
| 20:31.26 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: new things like that show up in -backports |
| 20:31.34 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: only the LTS and the most recent short term package |
| 20:31.35 | pewpewarrows | laughs at his poor attempt at humor |
| 20:31.59 | Kaelten | 8.04 is the new LTS |
| 20:32.24 | Dashkal | Might consider doing the upgrade process :p Though I have no idea how to run the tool on a server |
| 20:32.31 | nevcairiel | tortoise already has a 1.5 beta and windows CLI will be released by the svn guys too .. so i am fine =) |
| 20:32.48 | Kaelten | ya upgrading is scary |
| 20:32.49 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 20:32.52 | Kaelten | can just fail |
| 20:32.58 | Dashkal | I wonder if SVN2 will have enough to lure me back from git :p |
| 20:33.00 | Arrowmaster | my server is debian testing so i have no clue when ill see it |
| 20:33.10 | ckknight | Dashkal: git = svn2? :-P |
| 20:33.17 | Dashkal | lol |
| 20:33.19 | pewpewarrows | yes |
| 20:33.19 | Kaelten | subversion 1.4.6 is the current package for intrepid |
| 20:33.20 | nevcairiel | svn just needs to implement proper branches |
| 20:33.20 | ckknight | heh, no |
| 20:33.38 | pewpewarrows | nods at nevcairiel |
| 20:33.38 | Dashkal | branching it has. it's merge support that needs to be cleaned up |
| 20:33.44 | Arrowmaster | well some of the only advantages svn has over git will be gone in svn2 |
| 20:34.06 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: branching is ugly too, it just creates a copy in some other path |
| 20:34.08 | Arrowmaster | droping partial checkouts |
| 20:34.18 | Dashkal | the detached tree feature is also partially responsible for the abysmal performance |
| 20:34.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:34.22 | Kaelten | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-subversion/branches/1.5.x/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 20:34.33 | Dashkal | long as the history is preserved, why is this a bad thing? |
| 20:34.43 | Dashkal | (relating to the branching is a copy) |
| 20:35.06 | Arrowmaster | svn is perty bad on preserving history |
| 20:35.08 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: they're dropping partial checkouts? |
| 20:35.13 | Dashkal | agreed, and this needs fixing |
| 20:35.19 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: its ugly in the repo view |
| 20:35.21 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: yeah the detached tree ones |
| 20:35.26 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: a branch could be _anywhere_ |
| 20:35.29 | nevcairiel | not centralized |
| 20:35.30 | Kaelten | so there is a 1.5 debian source package |
| 20:35.32 | Dashkal | yes, yes it can :p |
| 20:35.47 | Dashkal | which I agree with. Developer tells the tool how to work, not the other way around |
| 20:36.00 | nevcairiel | i want to look at a file, and being told "there is branch a b and c" |
| 20:36.25 | Kaelten | I'm happy with hg, but then again I'm partial to python |
| 20:36.36 | pewpewarrows | :) |
| 20:36.42 | nevcairiel | even cvs did proper branches :) |
| 20:36.44 | Dashkal | but partial checkouts are something I use, though as long as nesting is easy I'll survive |
| 20:37.11 | nevcairiel | didnt they extend partial checkouts in 1.5 even? |
| 20:37.14 | Dashkal | linus's stance that "Just make a second repo if you want that" is a negative |
| 20:37.41 | Dashkal | I want to be able to specify the nesting points so when I pull the entire thing I get the _entire thing_. |
| 20:38.12 | sylvanaar | sparse checkouts? |
| 20:38.21 | Kaelten | linus has had... some interesting theories at times |
| 20:38.33 | pewpewarrows | to put it mildly |
| 20:38.39 | Arrowmaster | svn already has sparse checkouts, 1.5 is just extending it |
| 20:38.52 | sylvanaar | 1.5 clients already have it yeah |
| 20:39.05 | Arrowmaster | 1.4 has it |
| 20:39.10 | sylvanaar | it is a client side feature |
| 20:39.11 | Arrowmaster | svn checkout -N |
| 20:39.22 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 20:39.31 | sylvanaar | well, then do an update on that checkout |
| 20:41.03 | Dashkal | oh yeah, that's the other problem I have with loss of partial checkouts: if you move a file from across the nesting point you lose history |
| 20:41.26 | nevcairiel | i think we clarified already that svn is bad at keeping history =P |
| 20:41.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah i agree thats a problem, but unlikely to be easyly fixed |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | the new merge featuers in 1.5 are nice though |
| 20:41.44 | Dashkal | I've more than once written a chunk of code for one module, then realized with a couple tweaks it can be made use of in more than one so I "promote" it to a dependancy |
| 20:42.01 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: in this specific case, svn beats git |
| 20:42.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah svn is really bad at keeping history, its like if you do a move depending on if you use a WC or a URL it might or might not keep history |
| 20:42.07 | sylvanaar | yeah - they are, they fix most of the everyday annoyances of svn |
| 20:43.06 | Dashkal | unless git has a way I don't know of of importing a file complete with it's revision history into a repo? |
| 20:44.20 | Arrowmaster | add it as a remote and pull it in as a treeish? |
| 20:44.43 | Arrowmaster | pull it into a branch |
| 20:44.56 | Arrowmaster | then merge it and delete the branch? |
| 20:45.10 | Dashkal | hmm |
| 20:45.19 | Dashkal | specific case might help. |
| 20:45.31 | Dashkal | Program with three modules. A, B, and Lib. |
| 20:45.41 | Dashkal | I write some code in A, revise it a few times, then realize B can use it too |
| 20:45.44 | Dashkal | so I promote it to Lib |
| 20:46.00 | Dashkal | A, B, and Lib each have their own git repos as per "preferred style" |
| 20:46.05 | Arrowmaster | i think it would be file specific |
| 20:46.50 | Dashkal | The end case is I want to be able to look at the code file in Lib and from there see it's revision history even for revs done while it was in A |
| 20:47.10 | Arrowmaster | well theres history rewriting |
| 20:47.35 | sylvanaar | revisionist revision history |
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| 20:47.57 | Dashkal | I think you have something there with branch/commit all revisions/merge |
| 20:50.17 | charon | Dashkal: if you want to promote something to a library, submodules might come in handy, but i hear the UI for that is "evolving" |
| 20:50.45 | charon | basically the same feature as externals, except it also tracks what precise commit of the submodule you had in a certain commit of the top project |
| 20:50.57 | Dashkal | ooo, must look into that |
| 20:51.06 | Dashkal | ckknight: will that kind of thing work on CF? |
| 20:51.16 | sylvanaar | thats my issue with git - no ui, command line only |
| 20:51.22 | Dashkal | git-gui? |
| 20:51.28 | sylvanaar | omg lol |
| 20:51.30 | ckknight | I use TextMate for my git stuff |
| 20:51.34 | sylvanaar | no that doesnt count |
| 20:51.50 | Dashkal | I haven't had a need to use the command-line yet. I just choose to |
| 20:51.59 | ckknight | Dashkal: issue with curseforge is that we want to support cross-vcs submodule/external things |
| 20:52.06 | ckknight | so a git project can have an svn lib |
| 20:52.18 | ckknight | and such. |
| 20:52.27 | Dashkal | unless I misunderstood the plans, that cross/vcs bit is exclusive to packaging, not source checkouts |
| 20:52.33 | ckknight | right |
| 20:52.34 | Dashkal | cross-vcs* |
| 20:52.40 | ckknight | you can commit whatever the hell you want :-P |
| 20:52.43 | ckknight | practically |
| 20:52.50 | ckknight | nothing stops you from having submodules |
| 20:52.56 | Dashkal | I was just wondering if git submodules worked with CF's git repos |
| 20:52.59 | Dashkal | kk |
| 20:53.22 | Dashkal | I'm not making seperate projects for each nexus module, so that's where that can come in handy |
| 20:54.33 | ckknight | well, each submodule is basically a separate repo |
| 20:54.35 | ckknight | so you know |
| 20:54.44 | ckknight | you could abuse the cloning system theoretically |
| 20:54.50 | Dashkal | points to his ticket asking for multiple repos |
| 20:55.24 | Kaelten | points to the sun |
| 20:55.40 | ckknight | which ticket? |
| 20:55.59 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/74-request-multiple-repositories-that-syndicate-to-curse/ |
| 20:56.25 | Dashkal | I need to revise the thing now that I understand what I need it for better |
| 20:57.10 | sylvanaar | all my file extension tickets are missing, did they get deleted or merged? |
| 20:57.22 | Kaelten | fixed I believe |
| 20:57.26 | ckknight | sylvanaar: select "All" instead of "All Open" |
| 20:57.31 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 20:59.24 | sylvanaar | i think the "tickets i filed" in my profile should be "my open tickets" |
| 20:59.42 | sylvanaar | should i make a ticket for that? |
| 20:59.47 | Dashkal | I'll +2 that one... |
| 21:01.57 | ckknight | make a ticket |
| 21:02.08 | sylvanaar | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/285-change-wording-on-the-profile-page-from-tickets-i-filed/ |
| 21:04.42 | sylvanaar | there may be a better wording, its mostly about adding the "open" part |
| 21:06.37 | ckknight | Open Tickets I Filed? |
| 21:06.38 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 21:07.25 | Dashkal | (re #wowuidev) yet another reason I won't post in that damn forum |
| 21:07.51 | nevcairiel | you should say that there :P |
| 21:08.31 | sylvanaar | yeah, Open Tickets I Filed sounds wierd |
| 21:08.46 | Dashkal | Nah, I don't want to go into reasons why I dislike Hortus (and explaining that I know he didn't do it) in that channel |
| 21:09.16 | sylvanaar | oh ok i assume that none of you use ie |
| 21:11.17 | sylvanaar | theres a bug with the dropdown menus in IE |
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| 21:15.34 | Kaelten | Dashkal: ? |
| 21:15.51 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: again? |
| 21:15.54 | Kaelten | what is it this time? |
| 21:15.54 | Dashkal | Kaelten: Got a specific question? That was a long statement :p |
| 21:16.00 | Kaelten | Dashkal: ? |
| 21:16.09 | sylvanaar | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/286-website-dropdown-menus-become-stuck-in-ie/ |
| 21:16.11 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:17.09 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: being looked into |
| 21:17.58 | Kaelten | but no I don't use IE, on a mac and IE 5.5 doesn't look that appeasing |
| 21:18.42 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 21:19.45 | Arrowmaster | WIN! |
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| 21:20.33 | sylvanaar | i keep saying im going to get a mac again - but i never do. I left that ship back at OS 7.1 |
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| 21:21.52 | ckknight | hehe |
| 21:22.48 | sylvanaar | lets see when os 7 was released....ckk may have actually been 7 |
| 21:22.59 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:23.04 | ckknight | it's been a while. |
| 21:23.06 | Dashkal | I used to hack system 6... |
| 21:23.14 | Dashkal | My school hated me |
| 21:23.25 | Kaelten | lol |
| 21:23.33 | Dashkal | at ease + hypercard + file move XCMD = broken security |
| 21:23.33 | Kaelten | I had a old mac, not sure what it was running. |
| 21:23.41 | sylvanaar | oh 6 finder/multifinder still back then (dark ages) |
| 21:23.56 | Dashkal | if you move the at ease prefs out of where it expected them, the password was unset |
| 21:24.05 | Dashkal | _even if at ease was running at the time_ |
| 21:25.46 | sylvanaar | yeah, why am i calling it os 7, it was system 7 (lets not forget how long it was system 7 either) |
| 21:26.00 | Dashkal | That's when I left as well |
| 21:26.24 | sylvanaar | they dropped the ball so badly, im amazed they survived it |
| 21:26.37 | Dashkal | cult of steve :p |
| 21:27.35 | sylvanaar | it sounds so bad now, "beaten by windows 95" |
| 21:28.06 | Dashkal | at the time win95 was really good |
| 21:28.12 | Dashkal | it was competing with 3.1... |
| 21:28.15 | sylvanaar | i know - thats what i am saying |
| 21:29.45 | Kaelten | they've turned it around though |
| 21:30.17 | Dashkal | XP is pretty decent. Vista has some good points but is too much form over function |
| 21:30.32 | Dashkal | I can't comment on OSX. I dislike how closed apple is |
| 21:30.45 | sylvanaar | windows 95 was better than System 7 from a technical perspective, it had preemptive multithreading - that was such a major defeat for apple |
| 21:33.37 | ckknight | Dashkal: I find both XP and OS X to be closed systems, which I dislike, but they have better ISV support than Linux/BSD and OS X provides me unix tools to get the job done |
| 21:34.13 | sylvanaar | I was an apple fanboi |
| 21:34.44 | Dashkal | Apple doesn't do near enough to attract developers. When I saw the terms on the iphone devkits I swore never to touch them. It looks more like they'd actively prefer never to allow anyboyd outside their company to make software for their hardware |
| 21:35.09 | sylvanaar | that's not far from the truth |
| 21:35.30 | ckknight | I think that'll change a bit with the next version |
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| 21:36.36 | sylvanaar | yeah, i am buying the 3G iPhone next month, i managed to hold off for a year |
| 21:37.14 | Dashkal | holds out for the openMoko |
| 21:38.19 | sylvanaar | i actually owned an Apple Newton, i threw it out just last year when i was moving. |
| 21:38.58 | Kaelten | Dashkal: openMoko? |
| 21:39.10 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: probably could have sold it on ebay for a nice bit of change |
| 21:39.10 | sylvanaar | googles |
| 21:39.18 | sylvanaar | Kaelten really? |
| 21:39.19 | Dashkal | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 21:39.31 | Kaelten | its a collectors item at this point |
| 21:39.42 | sylvanaar | lol, great |
| 21:39.44 | Kaelten | and apple mania is at a all time high |
| 21:39.58 | sylvanaar | well, that sucks. |
| 21:40.15 | sylvanaar | I threw out some other crap along those same lines too |
| 21:40.19 | Kaelten | http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-Newton-2100-upgraded-Message-Pad_W0QQitemZ110260481078QQihZ001QQcategoryZ51046QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:40.27 | Kaelten | 100 bucks and someone bid |
| 21:40.54 | sylvanaar | wow, lol, my newton was an earlier model |
| 21:41.21 | sylvanaar | the second model they built |
| 21:41.38 | sylvanaar | er, no it was the first model. |
| 21:41.56 | Kaelten | heh, ya, who knows. it was one of their things that was a little ahead conceptionally, and a little subpar on what it was actually could do |
| 21:42.08 | sylvanaar | yeah, it was slow as hell |
| 21:42.25 | Kaelten | looks like a 300 is going between 20 and 50 |
| 21:42.36 | sylvanaar | that sounds like the one |
| 21:43.51 | Kaelten | sounds like openmoko wants to be kinda like what google is doing (or is it the other way around?) |
| 21:44.07 | Dashkal | openmoko is more hardware. google is more software |
| 21:44.11 | Dashkal | but similar ideas, yes |
| 21:44.11 | Kaelten | ah |
| 21:44.30 | Kaelten | still neat stuff |
| 21:44.38 | Kaelten | my cell phone is in the process of a slow death |
| 21:44.46 | Dashkal | I want one. Just waiting for a phone provider in my area that doesn't consume souls |
| 21:44.57 | Kaelten | oh, good luck |
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| 21:45.09 | Dashkal | I had a ... disaggreement with one of the majors. Turns out what they did was blantently illegal. |
| 21:45.09 | sylvanaar | well, if they didnt then you would have to pay them more |
| 21:45.17 | Dashkal | will happily pay more for that |
| 21:45.38 | Dashkal | Keep the fucking subsidies and let me pay for what I use and _walk away_ when I don't want it anymore |
| 21:45.47 | sylvanaar | see, thats what you say now |
| 21:46.10 | Dashkal | After the fiasco with Rogers. That's what I say always. Since then I've just refused to use a cel period |
| 21:46.57 | Kaelten | heh |
| 21:47.07 | sylvanaar | i had a thing with verizon like that |
| 21:47.11 | Kaelten | is esMX in use yet? |
| 21:47.40 | Dashkal | I fell behind, so they cut me off. This is fine. The problem is they continued to charge for service they were no longer providing, which is apparently illegal under BC law. The only way I got out was to force them to put me in collections. |
| 21:47.51 | Dashkal | At which point I paid in full and never spoke with them again. |
| 21:47.58 | Kaelten | ya I had verizon do that to me |
| 21:47.58 | sylvanaar | mexican spanish? |
| 21:48.04 | Dashkal | The credit hit was worth it to be rid of them |
| 21:48.06 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: ya its been announced. |
| 21:48.36 | Dashkal | So now it's pay-as-you-go or nothing. |
| 21:48.57 | sylvanaar | you know that you can usually buy out your contract |
| 21:49.19 | sylvanaar | its often pretty cheap |
| 21:49.54 | Dashkal | sylvanaar: that's the kicker. I had completed the contract and was in month-to-month |
| 21:50.33 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 21:50.56 | Dashkal | They were giving me bullshit of "implied extension" which I later found out was total shit |
| 21:51.04 | sylvanaar | i wonder what is different about esES and esMX ? |
| 21:51.32 | Tuller | language :) |
| 21:51.34 | Dashkal | Spanish and Mexican are apparently two different languages at this point (coming from a friend of mine who speaks Castillian spanish) |
| 21:51.35 | sylvanaar | or enUS and enGB for that matter |
| 21:51.45 | Tuller | colour |
| 21:51.58 | Dashkal | enUS and enGB have different spellings. Color/Colour, Neighbor/Neighbour. Choice/Choise |
| 21:52.01 | nevcairiel | enGB is 100% similar to enUS |
| 21:52.07 | nevcairiel | in wow |
| 21:52.09 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 21:52.09 | sylvanaar | yeah, there are local languages in mexico that are not related to spanish |
| 21:52.23 | Tuller | like spanish! |
| 21:52.27 | Dashkal | but mexican and spain spanish have grammitical differences if I remember correctly |
| 21:54.25 | Tuller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dialects_and_varieties |
| 21:54.28 | Tuller | thanks, wikipedia! :) |
| 22:02.29 | sylvanaar | you ever read the history page on the wikipedia pages? |
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| 22:12.07 | Tuller | sometimes |
| 22:14.05 | sylvanaar | I dont see how its going to work now that its reaching a sort of critical mass |
| 22:14.50 | Dashkal | wikipedia is a wonderful reference for anything that isn't controversial... I stay the hell away from the rest. |
| 22:14.56 | sylvanaar | if that's where people get their facts, and anyone can change the text there.... |
| 22:15.02 | sylvanaar | yeah, exactly |
| 22:15.47 | nevcairiel | you can always check the history to be sure that its no page that two parties fight about |
| 22:16.27 | Dashkal | well, there's some pages that are just useless. Take for example googleBomb("miserable failure"); |
| 22:17.03 | Dashkal | nevermind the content or what you think of the man. So many hands were in that page's source I wouldn't even dream of trusting a word on it to actually be factual by anything other than coincidence |
| 22:17.26 | Dashkal | On the other hand, I'm reasonably certain of the accuracy of the pages on design patterns |
| 22:17.57 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:18.02 | nevcairiel | i got a nice book about those |
| 22:18.20 | Dashkal | the gang of four book is on a bookshelf next to me :p |
| 22:18.40 | nevcairiel | gang of four? |
| 22:19.18 | Dashkal | http://www.amazon.com/Design-Patterns-Object-Oriented-Addison-Wesley-Professional/dp/0201633612/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213827546&sr=1-1 |
| 22:19.31 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 22:19.35 | nevcairiel | thats the one i have |
| 22:19.39 | nevcairiel | only in translated version |
| 22:19.40 | Dashkal | damn good book |
| 22:19.49 | nevcairiel | and a nicer cover! |
| 22:19.50 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:19.51 | Dashkal | but before that I used wikipedia |
| 22:20.12 | nevcairiel | our professor on software design suggested that book |
| 22:20.17 | nevcairiel | so i read some parts in the library |
| 22:20.20 | nevcairiel | and went home with it :p |
| 22:20.33 | nevcairiel | or rather, i orderd it online i think |
| 22:21.14 | nevcairiel | after reading some parts of the book, his class was getting boring though |
| 22:21.25 | nevcairiel | he is teaching alot of those pattern on usage examples |
| 22:21.30 | nevcairiel | *yaaawn* |
| 22:22.18 | nevcairiel | anyway, yeah a good book |
| 22:22.24 | Dashkal | :p |
| 22:22.34 | Dashkal | It certainly taught me a lot about low level design |
| 22:34.35 | sylvanaar | on my shelf too |
| 22:37.21 | charon | "Help Microsoft stamp out piracy. Give Linux to a friend today!" |
| 22:46.42 | sylvanaar | it has some vague language |
| 22:48.25 | sylvanaar | http://humorix.org/articles/2000/06/medialess/ |
| 22:48.33 | sylvanaar | and its old |
| 23:08.03 | ckknight | ASP.NET hurts my brain |
| 23:11.47 | Dashkal | use a real DBMS :p |
| 23:12.03 | Dashkal | erm, I might have mt TLAs mixed up |
| 23:18.40 | ckknight | ASP.NET is not a DBMS |
| 23:18.45 | ckknight | it's a web framework for .NET |
| 23:22.05 | Dashkal | yeah, I realized that a few moments later |
| 23:22.08 | Dashkal | but the sentiment still applies :p |
| 23:22.28 | Dashkal | mmm, vendor-tied to microsoft |
| 23:26.45 | ckknight | basically, I wasn't hired to do .NET work, but I have done some like 2 years ago, so they stick me on a large ASP.NET project with very little guidance or direction |
| 23:26.47 | ckknight | sighs |
| 23:27.34 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 23:28.47 | ckknight | I'm good at python and ruby web development, but ASP.NET is so fucking different that those skills are basically invalidated |
| 23:28.52 | ckknight | sighs |
| 23:28.55 | ckknight | I don't feel well |
| 23:29.36 | Dashkal | I don't blame you. |
| 23:31.43 | ckknight | actually I did do one hobby website with .NET, but that was with MonoRail, which is an MVC framework, hence very, very different from what ASP.NET is |
| 23:36.25 | Dashkal | Please say your company is smarter than this... http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/18/2213232 |
| 23:37.08 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:37.11 | ckknight | I use my own laptop |
| 23:37.20 | ckknight | not the company's |
| 23:37.34 | ckknight | also, I don't think they're really watching what's on the computers anyway |
| 23:37.56 | Arrowmaster | my friend works at a company that uses ASP.NET and he hates the place, mostly because theyre morons though |
| 23:38.23 | ckknight | most people are smart and hard-working here |
| 23:38.31 | Dashkal | I'm just thinking that even if I were to find that shit on someone's laptop, that's the _first_ think I'd check for, not the last |
| 23:39.02 | Arrowmaster | they use a cookie to detect if the user has selected to have the site remember their login name and password, so when they detect that cookie they HARDCODE the username and password into the login box as the defaults......... |
| 23:40.34 | ckknight | wtf |
| 23:40.39 | Dashkal | My favorite web site snafu was actually using JSP (raw JSP is the fucking devil). He had his cookies setup so that deep linking was impossible -- you'd always redirect to the front page. Sounds like a feature? Once you got redirected click the bookmark again and it worked. Dude had no idea how to have anytihng other than the front page build the bookie |
| 23:40.49 | Dashkal | bonus points: this twit was my prof for web development |
| 23:40.57 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: why not just store the user id in an AES-encrypted cookie store? |
| 23:43.02 | Arrowmaster | because theyre morons |
| 23:43.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont even think their password db is encrypted at all |
| 23:43.57 | ckknight | ugh. |