| 00:04.22 | DHS | [wow] wim-3: 03pazza * r32 / (3 files in 2 directories): forgot to add some files to svn |
| 00:15.08 | DHS | [wow] prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r5 / (35 files in 6 directories): Prat 3.0 (Dev): |
| 00:15.08 | DHS | Bring up to wowace r80437 |
| 00:17.26 | ckknight | sylvanaar: you don't need to prefix your commits. |
| 00:21.37 | ckknight | so you know |
| 00:22.49 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 00:23.18 | sylvanaar | its a tortoise svn-prop |
| 00:23.46 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 00:23.51 | ckknight | yea, it's cool either way |
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| 00:47.07 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023782474&sid=2000 |
| 00:51.24 | sb | oh :) |
| 01:08.39 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me, how the hell do i get kageros data-tools to work |
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| 01:13.22 | ckknight | Good morning, Vietnam! |
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| 02:00.22 | Zyuu | good night USA |
| 02:01.30 | Kody- | bye |
| 02:11.02 | DHS | [wow] nazscrooge: 03gramg * r19 README.txt: - Added Readme |
| 02:11.19 | DHS | [wow] nazscrooge: 03gramg 041.5 * r20 : Tagging as 1.5. |
| 02:14.24 | ckknight | Zyuu: are you approving UI Packs? |
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| 02:20.20 | Kody- | probably |
| 02:20.34 | Zyuu | no, we talked on msn already |
| 02:20.36 | Zyuu | anyway night |
| 02:28.45 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if Zyuu actually looked at that zip file for Enhanced Newbie Package 2.4 before approving it? since none of us wanted to download a 100MB+ zip |
| 02:29.12 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: well, the site does a scan on all zips in the approval queue anyway |
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| 02:30.48 | Arrowmaster | (Automatic) Changed short name from '%s' to '%s', since project has been deleted for over a week. |
| 02:30.53 | Arrowmaster | gg |
| 02:30.58 | ckknight | whoopsie doodle |
| 02:32.09 | ckknight | k, fixed |
| 02:32.17 | ckknight | tomorrow's will fill in the %s's |
| 02:32.44 | ckknight | but it basically changes it from whatever to project-<id> |
| 02:33.03 | ckknight | this case was g-ui => project-7601 |
| 02:33.08 | Arrowmaster | i noticed |
| 02:35.56 | Arrowmaster | im noticing again that after somebody deleted a ui pack that the authors uploaded more files for it |
| 02:36.33 | ckknight | that should be fixed now |
| 02:37.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 02:37.34 | Arrowmaster | page 4 of activity log |
| 02:37.58 | Arrowmaster | Delete Project â Live UI |
| 02:38.11 | Arrowmaster | then above it create file |
| 02:38.36 | Arrowmaster | end bottem of page3 |
| 02:38.44 | Arrowmaster | deletion of both those files |
| 02:39.20 | Arrowmaster | then a little above that, creation of 2 images for that project |
| 02:39.58 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 02:40.17 | Arrowmaster | ones lives_ui |
| 02:40.23 | Arrowmaster | and the others lives-ui |
| 02:40.35 | ckknight | found the issue |
| 02:40.44 | Arrowmaster | but thats only the images |
| 02:41.17 | Arrowmaster | the files were deffently on the same deleted project |
| 02:41.37 | Aiiane | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/526-use-appropriate-units-for-file-sizes/ <-- my nitpicky ticket for the day :P |
| 02:42.06 | ckknight | okay, well, fixed the issue with uploading to files on projects that are deleted |
| 02:42.11 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: neither activity log on the projects shows everything |
| 02:42.24 | ckknight | oh? |
| 02:42.27 | Arrowmaster | look at lives_ui and select view activity log |
| 02:42.39 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt show the creation and deletion of files |
| 02:42.52 | Arrowmaster | and lives-ui is just blank |
| 02:42.58 | Arrowmaster | even though it had images added |
| 02:43.09 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: it's because it doesn't merge in the activity logs of child objects |
| 02:43.24 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 02:43.32 | Arrowmaster | child objects? |
| 02:43.42 | ckknight | files are children of repositories |
| 02:43.46 | ckknight | repositories are children of projects |
| 02:43.53 | ckknight | they all have their own activity logs |
| 02:44.00 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 02:44.17 | Arrowmaster | is that a 'bug' or 'feature' |
| 02:44.26 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 02:44.28 | Aiiane | or an "im too lazy" |
| 02:44.29 | Aiiane | :P |
| 02:44.44 | ckknight | it's not really a laziness issue, it's more an issue of complexity |
| 02:44.45 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: that would fall under 'feature' |
| 02:44.54 | Aiiane | lol arrow |
| 02:45.07 | Aiiane | ckknight: I don't use lazy in the derogatory sense |
| 02:45.13 | ckknight | ~laziness |
| 02:45.14 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 02:45.14 | Arrowmaster | its only a bug if you plan to fix it |
| 02:45.14 | Aiiane | more in the "not going to obsess over it" sense |
| 02:54.42 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: what did you need? |
| 02:55.02 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: i couldnt get the dbc thingy to work |
| 02:55.24 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: check the test.rb file it has a sample of reading the worldmap.dbc |
| 02:55.36 | Arrowmaster | i was using the test.rb |
| 02:55.39 | Aiiane | ~incompetence |
| 02:55.39 | purl | i heard incompetence is the fact that when you truly believe you can make up for a lack of ability by doubling your effort, there's no limit to what you can't do. |
| 02:55.42 | Aiiane | :D |
| 02:55.53 | kagaro | did you extract the dbc files? |
| 02:55.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:56.04 | Arrowmaster | got a format mismatch first |
| 02:56.12 | kagaro | which file are you trying to use? |
| 02:56.14 | Arrowmaster | since it seems you have an extra I |
| 02:56.30 | Arrowmaster | WorldMapArea.dbc |
| 02:57.04 | kagaro | ohh i know why Arrowmaster , they added a field to worldMap in wrath client files |
| 02:57.16 | kagaro | that test was setup against wrath files |
| 02:57.19 | kagaro | not live |
| 02:57.23 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 02:57.39 | Arrowmaster | but i removed the extra I from the format string and it still errors |
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| 02:58.02 | kagaro | whats the errorits giving? |
| 02:58.03 | Arrowmaster | d = DBCFile.new("WorldMapArea.dbc","iiisffffI") |
| 02:58.25 | Arrowmaster | ./dbc_file.rb:44:in `load': undefined method `unpack' for nil:NilClass (NoMethod |
| 02:58.25 | Arrowmaster | Error) |
| 02:58.47 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curseforge.com/admin/activities/project-7706-live_ui/ |
| 02:59.19 | ckknight | kagaro: trying to splat? |
| 02:59.20 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:59.33 | kagaro | its a decode error |
| 02:59.36 | ckknight | ah |
| 03:00.33 | kagaro | ill unpack my live client files and see whats gong on Arrowmaster |
| 03:02.01 | kagaro | as it it got a column index off |
| 03:02.12 | kagaro | so the io.read returned nil |
| 03:02.15 | Ackis | anyone have a suggestion for an online diff tool? |
| 03:05.34 | kagaro | what version of ruby you got Arrowmaster ? |
| 03:06.02 | kagaro | i just ran it against live dbc file for WorldMapArea and it works correctly |
| 03:06.02 | Arrowmaster | 1.8.7 i think |
| 03:06.13 | kagaro | hmm i have 1.8.6 installed |
| 03:07.26 | Arrowmaster | ok it didnt work with WotLK one either |
| 03:07.59 | Aiiane | obviously it just hates you arrow |
| 03:08.11 | kagaro | ill add some extra null checks gimme a few mins |
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| 03:09.47 | Arrowmaster | ok even with 1.8.6 it didnt work |
| 03:09.56 | Arrowmaster | how are you extracting the dbc file? |
| 03:10.40 | kagaro | mpq extractor |
| 03:11.08 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 03:11.24 | DHS | [wow] data-tools: 03kagaro * r8 dbc_file.rb: DataTools: added extra null read checks. |
| 03:11.33 | Arrowmaster | the apparently only decent mpq extractor available.... |
| 03:11.37 | Arrowmaster | too bad it only runs on mac |
| 03:11.57 | kagaro | what are you using to extract it with Arrowmaster ? |
| 03:12.05 | Arrowmaster | mywarcraftstudio |
| 03:12.15 | Arrowmaster | since nothing else works on windows |
| 03:13.52 | kagaro | hrmm there is a sourceforge project for the extract lib |
| 03:13.58 | kagaro | libmpq |
| 03:14.12 | kagaro | lmme check to see if it got windows support |
| 03:14.54 | Arrowmaster | website is fucked |
| 03:14.56 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: do an update to your data tools and try again, hopefull the extra checks will get you some data |
| 03:15.18 | ckknight | website is fucked? |
| 03:15.26 | Arrowmaster | the libmpq one |
| 03:15.38 | ckknight | oh |
| 03:15.40 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:15.50 | ckknight | in any event, did you see the new activity log? |
| 03:15.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:15.56 | Arrowmaster | looks good |
| 03:16.00 | ckknight | I got it to include child objects through a dirty, dirty hack |
| 03:16.08 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: where did you see that on SF? |
| 03:16.18 | Arrowmaster | the only site i found for it is broken |
| 03:16.30 | kagaro | could have sworn i saw a link on the wikipedia entry for MPQ |
| 03:16.39 | Arrowmaster | http://freshmeat.net/projects/libmpq/ |
| 03:17.29 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 03:17.34 | Arrowmaster | it was firefox blocking it |
| 03:17.41 | Arrowmaster | because the cert is bad |
| 03:17.50 | kagaro | yeah add an exception for it |
| 03:18.31 | kagaro | i have no idea what warcrafstudio is using |
| 03:19.00 | Arrowmaster | neither do i |
| 03:19.13 | Arrowmaster | but its the only thing that i found to work after TBC |
| 03:19.26 | Arrowmaster | especially with common.mpq |
| 03:19.43 | Arrowmaster | most just blow up on common.mpq because of size |
| 03:19.51 | kagaro | wow |
| 03:23.03 | kagaro | if it builds on windows i might make a ruby binding for it and package as a gem |
| 03:24.29 | Arrowmaster | well its useless to me |
| 03:24.57 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: try https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=193005 |
| 03:25.16 | kagaro | says cross platform mpq tool dunno |
| 03:25.29 | Arrowmaster | 'It allows in-memory patching of game data files, ' |
| 03:25.32 | Arrowmaster | not touching |
| 03:26.42 | kagaro | ohh yeah that would be bad |
| 03:26.46 | Zhinjio | whats a better way to phrase "Player Spec" using more commonly accepted words |
| 03:27.01 | Zhinjio | (eg, melee dps, caster dps, tank, healer) |
| 03:27.38 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: can you check something for me, live Patch-2.mpq |
| 03:27.47 | kagaro | yeah |
| 03:28.00 | Arrowmaster | World/wmo/Dungeon |
| 03:28.08 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: you wana use the mpq files under enUS (or whatever lang) |
| 03:28.32 | Arrowmaster | QT_Sunwell/Dock/Sunwell_Dock.wmo |
| 03:28.39 | Arrowmaster | is not valid right? |
| 03:28.44 | Arrowmaster | its a different path isnt it? |
| 03:29.10 | kagaro | yeah data/<locale>/patch-<locale>-2.mpq |
| 03:29.26 | Arrowmaster | wmo files arent in the locale ones |
| 03:29.34 | kagaro | those are model files |
| 03:29.36 | kagaro | arent they |
| 03:29.44 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 03:29.52 | Arrowmaster | need them for making maps |
| 03:30.22 | Arrowmaster | and when 2.4 came out i could never get these from mywarcraftstuido |
| 03:30.26 | Arrowmaster | it always errors |
| 03:30.38 | Arrowmaster | because i think its really a different path |
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| 03:30.50 | kagaro | it is |
| 03:31.36 | kagaro | on my patch-2 its: world/wmo/qt_sunwell_dock/.../wmo |
| 03:31.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah theres your test for a functional mpq prog |
| 03:32.11 | Arrowmaster | so currently there is nothing 100% functional for windows |
| 03:32.47 | Arrowmaster | unless i want to go digging in wowmodelviewer |
| 03:33.54 | kagaro | yeah ive been on a mac so long i forgot all about windows |
| 03:34.38 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: maybe this one ? http://www.zezula.net/ |
| 03:34.49 | kagaro | the have MPQ editor to explore teh mpq windows style |
| 03:34.58 | Arrowmaster | too old |
| 03:35.34 | Arrowmaster | mpq format changed slightly with TBC |
| 03:38.40 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 03:43.14 | kagaro | does it work Arrowmaster ? |
| 03:43.21 | Arrowmaster | trying |
| 03:44.43 | Arrowmaster | not sure if it was your commit or not but it doesnt error |
| 03:45.47 | kagaro | loop throw the records and inspect each row, see if they got populated with data, the test program should dump silithus data out |
| 03:46.15 | Arrowmaster | test program gave me ' = {0.0,0.0},' |
| 03:47.37 | Arrowmaster | sec let me grab a wotlk one |
| 03:48.28 | kagaro | should have dumped Silithus = {3483.333984375,2322.916015625}, |
| 03:48.28 | kagaro | in the test program after r = d.get_record(40) add puts r.inspect |
| 03:49.52 | Arrowmaster | ok its totally fubar |
| 03:51.16 | Arrowmaster | only the first 15 have values, but all the names are blank |
| 03:51.32 | kagaro | how big is the dbc file? |
| 03:51.32 | Arrowmaster | with both WotLK and TBC files |
| 03:51.40 | Arrowmaster | 4k |
| 03:51.53 | Arrowmaster | 4.26 |
| 03:52.07 | kagaro | it should be 3246 bytes |
| 03:52.20 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 03:52.34 | kagaro | for wrath data or live data? that was the size for live |
| 03:52.57 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: you got a linux box handy ? |
| 03:53.09 | Arrowmaster | sorta handy |
| 03:53.21 | kagaro | mpq-tools should work properly on linux |
| 03:54.05 | Arrowmaster | 3246 for live yeah |
| 03:54.40 | kagaro | you wana email it to me sal.scotto@gmail.com ill look to see what the deal is |
| 03:54.42 | Arrowmaster | maybe its because my ruby install is so fucked up |
| 03:54.52 | Arrowmaster | since i dont know what im doing |
| 03:55.08 | kagaro | im just using teh base io libraries |
| 03:55.32 | Arrowmaster | trust me i think i might have fucked it up well |
| 03:55.47 | kagaro | heh, shoot me the file, lets eliminate the mpq extraction tool if we can |
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| 03:58.41 | ckknight | Aiiane: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/526-use-appropriate-units-for-file-sizes/ is now fixed |
| 03:58.49 | Aiiane | ty |
| 03:59.08 | ckknight | I use proper SI units, though |
| 03:59.09 | ckknight | :-P |
| 03:59.17 | ckknight | B, KiB, MiB, GiB, TiB |
| 04:00.47 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: ok it works for me , must be your ruby install |
| 04:00.57 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 04:01.16 | kagaro | for the mpqeditor one |
| 04:01.24 | kagaro | and studio one |
| 04:01.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah that damn "one click installer" never even changed my path |
| 04:02.01 | Arrowmaster | probably why |
| 04:02.37 | Arrowmaster | why cant this be as simple as lua, just need a single exe or an exe and dll |
| 04:03.27 | kagaro | I did it in ruby cause I got ruby on all my machines at home, where as I only have lua on my desktop |
| 04:04.41 | Arrowmaster | well ive been wanting to learn ruby anyway which means installing it |
| 04:04.52 | Arrowmaster | atleast now i know im going to have to fight with it to get it to work |
| 04:05.43 | kagaro | its gota be a path conflict of some type. like io.dll is being loading from 1 version and used on another |
| 04:06.18 | kagaro | I would suggest maybe installing cygwin and add ruby to your sigwin install, plus you get bash |
| 04:06.35 | Arrowmaster | already have bash from msys |
| 04:09.58 | kagaro | well im off to bed, let me know if you have success Arrowmaster |
| 04:10.40 | Aiiane | ckknight, how are Gi and Ti the proper prefixes o_O |
| 04:10.48 | Aiiane | well, gi i can understand |
| 04:10.51 | Aiiane | but Ti? |
| 04:10.56 | Aiiane | and Mi? |
| 04:11.10 | ckknight | Kibibyte, Mebibyte, Gibibyte, Tebibyte |
| 04:11.29 | Aiiane | o.0 |
| 04:11.52 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Prefixes |
| 04:12.02 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: im disowning you |
| 04:12.09 | ckknight | are you? |
| 04:12.10 | Arrowmaster | you can nolonger call yourself a geek |
| 04:12.14 | ckknight | why's that? |
| 04:12.28 | Arrowmaster | because your using the i crap |
| 04:12.41 | ckknight | o noes, the proper way |
| 04:12.46 | Arrowmaster | its not proper |
| 04:13.03 | ckknight | yes, it is |
| 04:13.22 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 04:13.27 | ckknight | prove me wrong? |
| 04:14.56 | Arrowmaster | i cant because offically it is just because some people that dont know the difference between base2 and base10 number systems decided 'it was wrong' and they needed for force everybody to change what theyd been using for years |
| 04:15.18 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 04:15.22 | Arrowmaster | i can prove you wrong |
| 04:16.03 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=1000+kilobytes+to+megabytes |
| 04:16.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=1024+kilobytes+to+megabytes |
| 04:16.23 | Arrowmaster | see google never lies |
| 04:17.05 | ckknight | google's not perfect and google's not a standards organization |
| 04:17.19 | Arrowmaster | its not a standard if nobody follows it |
| 04:17.21 | Arrowmaster | which nobody does |
| 04:17.25 | Arrowmaster | because its wrong |
| 04:17.58 | ckknight | I don't see how it's wrong at all |
| 04:18.07 | ckknight | and you can't say that nobody follows it |
| 04:18.21 | ckknight | I've seen places follow |
| 04:18.48 | Arrowmaster | abrevating it as MiB is fine |
| 04:18.53 | Arrowmaster | but its still a megabyte |
| 04:19.28 | Arrowmaster | and anybody that says a megabyte is 1000 kilobytes is wrong |
| 04:19.45 | Arrowmaster | hell the harddrive manufacturs have been sued and lost over it |
| 04:20.01 | ckknight | clearly, a megabyte = 1024000 bytes |
| 04:20.26 | Arrowmaster | only for 3.5 inch floppies |
| 04:20.28 | ckknight | (actually used to describe 1.44 MiB disks |
| 04:20.30 | ckknight | ) |
| 04:21.13 | Arrowmaster | but still |
| 04:21.15 | Arrowmaster | 12:11:06a @(ckknight) Kibibyte, Mebibyte, Gibibyte, Tebibyte |
| 04:21.17 | ckknight | in any event, no, I'm not changing it from MiB and such |
| 04:21.18 | Arrowmaster | you wrote them out |
| 04:21.22 | Arrowmaster | you are nolonger a geek |
| 04:21.37 | Arrowmaster | abrevations are fine |
| 04:21.38 | ckknight | ...no |
| 04:22.12 | ckknight | I was explaining what they were |
| 04:22.22 | ckknight | in real life, I usually call them kilobytes and whatnot |
| 04:22.31 | ckknight | but I know that's not accurate |
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| 07:52.16 | charon | morning |
| 07:54.58 | charon | lol |
| 07:54.59 | charon | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/223-ticket-changes-not-comments/ |
| 07:55.02 | charon | TICKET NECROMANCY |
| 07:55.12 | charon | actually, OFF-TOPIC TICKET NECRO |
| 07:55.16 | charon | or is that ticket off-topic necro? |
| 08:01.59 | Aiiane | ..the hell? |
| 08:02.33 | Aiiane | waves magic-wand-of-wtf and makes comment go away. |
| 08:02.54 | charon | :-( |
| 08:03.06 | charon | IOW, everyone in here except me has a beta key and CF admin rights? |
| 08:03.11 | charon | what on earth am i doing wrong. |
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| 08:10.31 | Aiiane | karma? >.> |
| 08:13.19 | charon | i hate that all the negative votes have "... opposed" strings... there's no way to say "i don't care the least about this feature", i.e. deprioritise |
| 08:13.45 | charon | the only tickets that you can really vote down are misplaced ones and requests for Bad And Wrong features. |
| 08:13.57 | Aiiane | just dont vote on tickets you dont care about |
| 08:14.01 | Aiiane | apathy = 0 |
| 08:14.56 | charon | but then that's the same as "i haven't seen this ticket" |
| 08:15.20 | Aiiane | which, if you're apathetic, it should be |
| 08:16.03 | Aiiane | the vote system is just designed to scale from "I actively want to see this" to "I actively don't want to see this" |
| 08:16.06 | Aiiane | if you dont care dont vote :P |
| 08:16.20 | nevcairiel | or vote it down so other stuff gets fixed first! |
| 08:16.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:17.00 | charon | i was tempted to write a ticket to change the "sum of votes" model to an average |
| 08:17.15 | charon | but then that's not really good either because a single +3 vote is the best you can get already |
| 08:18.04 | charon | maybe an average with an extra 0 vote? |
| 08:18.22 | charon | a "the system is inert" vote |
| 08:20.31 | Aiiane | eh |
| 08:20.39 | Aiiane | average and total both have their benefits and drawbacks |
| 08:20.44 | nevcairiel | except the lower numbers, whats the difference to the absolute now? You essentially need the same number of negative votes to get it down |
| 08:21.04 | Aiiane | as it is now |
| 08:21.16 | Aiiane | it's easy to tell if one ticket is massively popular, and another is just 2-3 people that +3 it |
| 08:21.22 | Aiiane | average, it's harder to tell that |
| 08:22.17 | Aiiane | if 10 people +3 a ticket and 2 people -3 it, versus 5 people +3ing a second ticket and 1 person -3ing it |
| 08:22.31 | Aiiane | you probably want to implement both, but you want the 10-person one done first, likely |
| 08:23.11 | charon | shrugs |
| 08:24.03 | charon | with an extra 0 vote, it's not just the same as the sum of the votes in a way that you can't see the number of voters |
| 08:24.09 | Aiiane | sure, but it's not as clear |
| 08:24.15 | charon | consider that 15/6 is 2.5 and 30/11 is 2.72 |
| 08:24.29 | charon | it would make 0 votes sensible :p |
| 08:25.04 | charon | your 10*+3 / 2*-3 example falls down because the way the votes are labelled, nobody votes -3 unless it's Bad And Wrong |
| 08:25.06 | Aiiane | um, it'd be 12/7 |
| 08:25.21 | Aiiane | and 24/13 |
| 08:25.24 | charon | in which case you'd probably want to consider their arguments, not just implement it anyway |
| 08:25.28 | Aiiane | remember the -3 votes from my example |
| 08:25.59 | charon | well yes i was trying to point out that it is very hard to reach 3 with a 0 vote, not figuring out your example |
| 08:26.37 | Aiiane | just because they're labeled some way doesnt mean people will use those exact definitions |
| 08:26.47 | DHS | [wow] naz-guild-recruiter: 03gramg * r8 / (3 files in 2 directories): |
| 08:26.47 | DHS | Convert to using AceLocale-3.0 in my quest to port from Ace2 to Ace3. |
| 08:26.53 | Aiiane | have you ever looked at the ratings system for movies or whatnot... user ratings are typically max one way or the other |
| 08:27.20 | Aiiane | hopefully most people using the ticket system will be better at that, but you never know :P |
| 08:27.36 | Aiiane | anywho, sleeptime for me |
| 08:29.11 | charon | maybe it's just me feeling bad whenever i vote something down :p |
| 08:29.17 | charon | night aii |
| 08:35.57 | DHS | [wow] naz-guild-recruiter: 03gramg * r9 / (3 files in 1 directory): - Convert to AceDB-3.0 |
| 08:35.57 | DHS | - Moved zone data out of core.lua into it's own file |
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| 08:53.44 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: i found the problem, you need to call io.binmode after io = File.open(file) in dbc_file.rb |
| 09:02.54 | DHS | [wow] test-git-project: 03anmoch * d0298a69a7cc /: |
| 09:02.54 | DHS | Threat-2.0: Created development repository, in branches right now so that it doesn't get packaged. |
| 09:02.54 | DHS | git-svn-id: http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Threat-2.0/Threat-2.0@60839 48e1f902-e210-0410-a839-a0138e9d5bd5 |
| 09:03.02 | charon | meh, he didn't integrate the changes |
| 09:03.17 | nevcairiel | test-git-project eh? |
| 09:03.34 | charon | i wanted to mess with the bot report to make it oneline in any case |
| 09:04.05 | charon | in a way that either shows the updated ref and the tip commit's subject, or if there were several ref updates, a condensed summary of them without any commits mentioned |
| 09:04.31 | charon | "master[new] Threat-2.0: Another attempt to fix Vanish on Veras Darkshadow (Illidari Council). His vanish buff doesn't reliably fade all the time I think, so we use his Vanish spell cast instead." |
| 09:04.37 | charon | "master[+6] next[forced -2 +3] foo[del tag] tmp[new tag]" |
| 09:04.51 | charon | but apparently ckk was too busy |
| 09:54.20 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god |
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| 10:58.59 | DHS | [wow] data-tools: 03kagaro * r9 dbc_file.rb: DataTools: updated dbcfile to use binmode for windows. |
| 10:59.30 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: updated |
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| 11:17.10 | sag_ich_nicht | http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/videoenhancement/videoEnhancement.htm that's awesome (and scary) |
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| 13:44.07 | cncfanatics | ckknight: in carto, the waypoint arrow disappears when opening the world map |
| 13:44.12 | cncfanatics | and doesn't reappear after closing it |
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| 13:46.57 | charon | ~emulate ckknight |
| 13:46.58 | purl | Write a ticket! |
| 13:47.01 | charon | hah! |
| 13:50.16 | ckknight | cncfanatics: 2 or 3? |
| 13:52.30 | cncfanatics | 3 |
| 13:53.29 | cncfanatics | anyway, gtg |
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| 14:03.37 | DHS | [wow] portalfu: 03crazybenny * r8 / (3 files in 1 directory): another code cleanup |
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| 14:07.54 | ckknight | waves |
| 14:08.13 | charon | morning ckknight |
| 14:08.15 | sb | morning ckk!? :o |
| 14:08.26 | ckknight | ? |
| 14:11.32 | sb | join + wave = morning! |
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| 14:12.06 | ckknight | yea |
| 14:12.13 | ckknight | I just got into work |
| 14:19.28 | charon | besides |
| 14:19.30 | charon | ~UGT |
| 14:19.30 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:19.43 | charon | so time doesn't really matter. |
| 14:20.08 | Stanzilla | ~uat |
| 14:20.08 | purl | well, uat is Universal Antiarc Time. Created in #wowace, it is the measure of the One True Time. All other times are imposters and will be shot on sight, especially so-called "Universal" Fisker Time, which is just a sorry excuse for supposed "time" and will instead just be laughed at. |
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| 14:30.20 | Kaelten | g'morning guys |
| 14:31.01 | AckisWork | morning |
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| 14:54.09 | AckisWork | new report that makes me /facepalm |
| 14:54.26 | AckisWork | on a better note, I won the drawing for a figureprint thingy |
| 14:59.27 | sb | oh, grats |
| 14:59.35 | sb | still wtb eu-figurepring :/ |
| 15:00.19 | sb | would be the _perfect_ present for my gf, but... *sigh* still no eu launch |
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| 15:18.54 | charon | wonders what a figurepring might be |
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| 16:15.47 | ckknight | anyone up? |
| 16:16.26 | AckisWork | yup |
| 16:17.51 | Gnarfoz | yea |
| 16:18.13 | ckknight | check http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/528-jabber-support/ |
| 16:18.18 | ckknight | there's an activity log |
| 16:18.21 | ckknight | tell me how it looks |
| 16:18.35 | AckisWork | looks good |
| 16:18.39 | AckisWork | is that for everyone? |
| 16:18.55 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:19.06 | ckknight | and comments will no longer be made for activities |
| 16:19.07 | AckisWork | very nice |
| 16:19.22 | AckisWork | one concern is it takes up a lot of space |
| 16:19.38 | ckknight | any suggestions? |
| 16:19.49 | AckisWork | ie: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/arl/tickets/41-spelling-correction/ |
| 16:20.02 | AckisWork | do like you did for comments and combine entries, only display the top 5, etc |
| 16:20.07 | ckknight | e.g., not i.e. |
| 16:20.16 | AckisWork | grammar police :P |
| 16:20.21 | AckisWork | I always use ie |
| 16:20.22 | nevcairiel | ckknight: remove the auto-comments on some status changes then |
| 16:20.32 | Gnarfoz | grammar police is important! |
| 16:20.35 | ckknight | nevcairiel: no new ones will be created |
| 16:20.49 | Gnarfoz | also, yes, looks good :) |
| 16:21.01 | Throngy | are there any status messages that wouldn't fit on one line? |
| 16:21.02 | ckknight | no, i.e. => id est => that is, e.g. => exempli gratia => for example |
| 16:21.07 | ckknight | yes, Throngy |
| 16:21.09 | ckknight | if the descriptions change |
| 16:21.26 | ckknight | I could fit it on the right |
| 16:21.28 | ckknight | and truncate it |
| 16:21.34 | ckknight | lemme do that, show you how it looks |
| 16:21.50 | Throngy | ok |
| 16:27.31 | ckknight | damn css not being friendly |
| 16:29.24 | Kaelten | css friendly, lol |
| 16:29.39 | Throngy | could you make the status changes look more like the comments? |
| 16:29.54 | ckknight | Throngy: then it'd take up even more space |
| 16:30.06 | Throngy | pop all but the message on the top line and job done |
| 16:30.19 | ckknight | I'm trying to change a col's width and it won't let me |
| 16:33.14 | ckknight | ah, fixed |
| 16:34.40 | Throngy | suppose the only thing left is ti squeeze the whole thing onto one line, but you could let the message wrap if it needs to |
| 16:35.31 | Throngy | anyways i get to go home now :D see you later |
| 16:39.17 | ckknight | check http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/arl/tickets/41-spelling-correction/ now |
| 16:40.07 | Gnarfoz | looking good |
| 16:40.16 | AckisWork | that looks a lot better |
| 16:40.39 | AckisWork | there seems to be an extra line break at the end of the list |
| 16:40.52 | AckisWork | after Create XylanTrueheart 08/15/2008 15:36:15 and the close of the box |
| 16:41.01 | AckisWork | (nitpicking) |
| 16:41.31 | ckknight | there's not, it's just the outer table margin |
| 16:42.20 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 16:44.03 | ckknight | check now, AckisWork |
| 16:44.43 | AckisWork | nice |
| 16:44.45 | AckisWork | better |
| 16:44.49 | AckisWork | let me check a diff ticket |
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| 16:46.06 | AckisWork | yah that works |
| 16:47.29 | Kaelten | ckknight: "Changed status from 'n' to 'New' |
| 16:47.35 | ckknight | yea, saw that |
| 16:47.37 | ckknight | fixing it now |
| 16:49.17 | ckknight | k, should be fixed for new changes |
| 17:13.18 | ckknight | AckisWork: tweaked it again |
| 17:13.51 | AckisWork | I'm not noticing a difference |
| 17:14.20 | ckknight | I took out the left column |
| 17:14.27 | ckknight | that was "Edit" for all but the first |
| 17:15.00 | AckisWork | ahh |
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| 17:22.43 | Kaelten | ckknight: we might shoudl redo it as a right hand sidebar |
| 17:22.45 | Kaelten | but meh |
| 17:22.50 | ckknight | maybe so |
| 17:22.57 | Kaelten | I get a feeling I'll be redoing a lot of the templates after the wowace templates are done |
| 17:23.04 | ckknight | yea |
| 17:23.06 | ckknight | it works for now |
| 17:23.10 | ckknight | and will be easy to revamp |
| 17:24.42 | Dashkal | bwrarf |
| 17:24.51 | Dashkal | ok, the b is two keys to the left... how did I do that |
| 17:24.52 | AckisWork | sup Dashkal |
| 17:25.07 | AckisWork | you're hung over and throwing up? |
| 17:25.15 | Dashkal | all, 'wrarf' is all left hand. Just my right was off. Carry on :p |
| 17:25.29 | Dashkal | no, that'll be over next week. I'll be out of town camping |
| 17:26.13 | AckisWork | Dashkal: look at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93899 and tell me what I'm doing wrong kk? |
| 17:26.30 | Dashkal | well first, you're ugly.... no onto the code |
| 17:26.40 | Dashkal | what are you going for? |
| 17:26.42 | AckisWork | well that was a statement of fact |
| 17:27.03 | Dashkal | lol |
| 17:27.14 | AckisWork | I want to add tabs to the merchant window: Armour, Weapon, Other, when I click Armour I want sub-tabs to appear underneath the first row: CLoth, Leather, Mail, etc |
| 17:27.29 | Dashkal | nested tabs? You're way over my head here |
| 17:27.34 | AckisWork | the problem is two-fold: I get an error when I click on any tab, and no sub-tabs below |
| 17:28.18 | AckisWork | well the first layer of tabs don't work at all |
| 17:28.42 | Dashkal | which would suggest you incorrectly hooked to selecting a tab and broke the normal beheviour |
| 17:28.52 | Dashkal | but I'm guessing here, I don't do UI stuff |
| 17:29.00 | AckisWork | yah UI stuff stinks |
| 17:29.13 | AckisWork | text based ftw! :D |
| 17:29.23 | Dashkal | Though I guess I'll find that out for myself when I actually get started on this damn bar mod |
| 17:31.04 | AckisWork | I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this mod :( |
| 17:31.28 | Dashkal | eh, worst I can see from this issue is you'll need to rethink your UI |
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| 17:37.56 | Dashkal | Sweet! I got drawn for figureprints |
| 17:38.07 | AckisWork | you too? |
| 17:38.11 | AckisWork | I ordered mine about 2 hours ago |
| 17:38.18 | nevcairiel | what the hell is figureprints? |
| 17:38.24 | Dashkal | Mine will have to wait. Camping first, then I'll get sav in good gear |
| 17:38.39 | Dashkal | http://figureprints.com/ |
| 17:38.43 | Dashkal | Your character printed in 3d |
| 17:39.18 | Dashkal | And I do mean your character. They pull your stats (and a couple extras) from the armory and use a plaster printer to make it |
| 17:39.38 | nevcairiel | pretty expensive for some equip i'm dropping in a few month =P |
| 17:40.02 | Throngy | gratz guys :) hope you have the gear you want to be printed |
| 17:40.12 | Dashkal | I've got some gear my char looks pretty sweet in |
| 17:40.23 | DHS | [wow] ouf_dafire: 03dafire * 7b7eab39e4dc / (3 files in 1 directory): (3 revisions total) |
| 17:40.23 | DHS | included font + player/target portrait |
| 17:40.23 | DHS | work in progress |
| 17:40.26 | DHS | initial commit |
| 17:40.37 | Dashkal | Earthwarden, some pvp, some moonglade. Looks better than the melted crayon it sounds like |
| 17:40.38 | nevcairiel | I would just wear my full T6 + the other gizmos, but not for that price |
| 17:41.41 | Throngy | ckknight: activity log looks great now - gj :) |
| 17:43.00 | Dashkal | I don't know if I know that dafire character... |
| 17:43.20 | dafire | my characters name is not dafire .9 |
| 17:43.35 | Dashkal | oh, then I guess I shouldn't have approved that project :p >.> |
| 17:43.38 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I wore fill T6 w/ KJ staff |
| 17:43.44 | AckisWork | s/fill/full/ |
| 17:44.53 | dafire | thats me: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eredar&n=Kendra |
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| 17:45.21 | Dashkal | hrm, $130... this is hard to justify.. but I wants it |
| 17:45.36 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.01 | Dashkal | ckknight: wow armory module for DHS? |
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| 17:49.29 | Dashkal | huh, there's a Savrine on eu on teh Shattrath realm |
| 17:49.48 | Dashkal | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Savrine |
| 17:49.56 | Dashkal | I'm in my pvp gear, though. |
| 17:54.45 | dafire | i have no pvp gear.. I plan to do more pvp with wotlk |
| 18:06.28 | Dashkal | I just did some casual battlegrounds with the guild. I did arena exactly enough for that S3 chest I'm wearing and got sick of it |
| 18:07.02 | Dashkal | I was actually saving for a weapon but I just couldn't stand any more arena as a feral |
| 18:11.15 | Primer | "Your comments session for this project has expired. Please refresh for a new session." |
| 18:11.21 | Primer | clicks refresh... |
| 18:11.29 | Primer | ...and nothing changes |
| 18:11.42 | Primer | Happens all the time, so I'm sure you're aware of it |
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| 18:23.31 | dafire | does anybody know how the blizzard target debuff window works ? is it using scale to make debuffs bigger when only few are there ? |
| 18:25.46 | Dashkal | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/war-on-terror-boardgame-branded-criminal-by-police-889287.html |
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| 18:32.39 | Kody- | morning! |
| 18:32.43 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 18:32.52 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 18:32.57 | Arrowmaster | now i need to download a 100mb ui pack to check something |
| 18:34.20 | nevcairiel | 100mb ui pack of what? |
| 18:36.18 | Arrowmaster | that stupid enhanced newbie package |
| 18:37.04 | Arrowmaster | i think i might have a good reason to completely delete the project |
| 18:39.28 | Kody- | So... have you guys gotten your beta keys yet? Reminded them again yesterday that they hadn't sent out the original batch |
| 18:39.42 | Arrowmaster | they hadn't? |
| 18:39.43 | nevcairiel | I dont think they send them yet |
| 18:39.45 | Kody- | No :/ |
| 18:39.47 | Arrowmaster | then how did i get 2? |
| 18:39.51 | Kody- | No idea :P |
| 18:40.08 | nevcairiel | wowi and opt-in? I dunno |
| 18:40.15 | Kody- | Neth told me she's filtering double submissions by us and wowi though so that each person only gets 1 key |
| 18:40.16 | nevcairiel | or you didnt happen to be in the first batch? |
| 18:40.16 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder if i actually got an optin and it was my wowi one i ended up giving away |
| 18:40.20 | Kody- | So yeah, probably opt-in |
| 18:40.30 | Kody- | Oh you were in batch 2 actually, Arrowmaster |
| 18:41.06 | Arrowmaster | well i use a different email address on my blizz account than on wowi or curse |
| 18:41.11 | Arrowmaster | and i got 1 to each address |
| 18:41.22 | Kody- | Yeah, opt-in for sure then |
| 18:41.39 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 18:41.48 | Arrowmaster | im like the only person in my guild that got an optin then |
| 18:42.00 | nevcairiel | we have 4 opt-ins or so |
| 18:42.02 | nevcairiel | one wwi |
| 18:42.06 | nevcairiel | and my author key :) |
| 18:42.34 | AckisWork | I got my wwi and one in the e-mail, not sure if it was opt-on or another |
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| 18:52.20 | ckknight | waves |
| 18:53.13 | ckknight | Dashkal: I wouldn't have an issue with that. You code it :-P |
| 18:53.43 | Dashkal | ckknight: If I coded it, it would be in java :p |
| 18:53.53 | ckknight | then no module |
| 18:53.56 | ckknight | do it in python |
| 18:53.57 | Dashkal | cackles |
| 18:53.58 | ckknight | there are guides |
| 18:54.02 | ckknight | supybot |
| 18:54.14 | Dashkal | jython :p |
| 18:54.35 | ckknight | that's backwards |
| 18:54.44 | ckknight | jython is python that runs on the JVM |
| 18:54.57 | Dashkal | run the bot under jython, and it can access java code |
| 18:55.17 | Dashkal | I'm kidding of course, but it _is_ doable |
| 18:55.29 | ckknight | in any event, no |
| 18:55.39 | ckknight | also, you should learn python, it could be good for you |
| 18:55.48 | Dashkal | and neither do I wish to relearn python over an armory bot |
| 18:56.20 | Dashkal | The problem with learning python is I have no compelling reason to retain that knowledge right now. A single one-shot project wouldn't be worth the time it would take unless I was getting paid |
| 18:56.31 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: muahahaha i will have my revenge now, check the reports |
| 18:56.57 | ckknight | lol |
| 18:57.00 | Arrowmaster | now to delete this fucking 100mb zip off my computer |
| 18:58.00 | ckknight | moderators can't delete projects, can they? |
| 18:58.04 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:58.08 | Arrowmaster | or even files |
| 18:58.28 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 18:58.31 | Arrowmaster | i think i can delete files |
| 18:59.03 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: crisis averted |
| 18:59.35 | Arrowmaster | yes! |
| 19:01.05 | charon | Dashkal: but python can keep track of all your ducks and make sure they all quack :( |
| 19:01.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:02.37 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: did you read the comments on that newbie pack page? |
| 19:02.48 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 19:08.27 | Aiiane | how the hell could you call that a "newbie" package anyways |
| 19:08.33 | Aiiane | it'd be freaking information overload for a newbie |
| 19:11.40 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:13.01 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: you should have seen the size when extracted |
| 19:21.40 | Pneumatus | less newbie, more like every addon in existance pacakge |
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| 19:36.14 | DHS | [wow] ouf_dafire: 03dafire * 3f8703520262 dafire.lua: (2 revisions total) |
| 19:36.14 | DHS | scale targets debuffs in relation to number of debuffs between 1.5 and 1.0 |
| 19:36.14 | DHS | some fixex - layout changes player, target, tot |
| 19:39.27 | AckisWork | makes the CurseForge addon pack |
| 19:46.23 | Kaelten | ~lart AckisWork |
| 19:46.23 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down AckisWork's throat until AckisWork puts on 150lbs |
| 19:47.09 | AckisWork | zomg |
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| 19:51.12 | ckknight | lulz |
| 19:51.19 | ckknight | AckisWork is a fatty now |
| 19:51.25 | AckisWork | I was before |
| 19:52.04 | ckknight | gz? |
| 19:52.18 | AckisWork | gz? |
| 19:52.21 | AckisWork | gzip? |
| 19:53.11 | ckknight | gratz |
| 19:53.25 | AckisWork | o |
| 19:53.30 | AckisWork | hah |
| 19:56.19 | pastamancer | gzip's Ackis to make him skinny |
| 19:57.44 | Dashkal | after the Krispy Kream bit you might wanna use bz2 |
| 19:58.53 | AckisWork | you zip me up like that after so much Krispy Kream, I might just drop a tar ball |
| 19:59.16 | Dashkal | ok, I actually facepalmed that was so bad... |
| 20:01.04 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 20:16.19 | Kaelten | Dashkal: you haven't figured that ackis has a talent for puns and making himself seem slightly homoerotic |
| 20:18.04 | Dashkal | Forewarning doesn't automatically avoid the facepalm at a particularally bad pun |
| 20:20.42 | AckisWork | slightly homoerotic? :( I try to be flaming |
| 20:20.52 | Kaelten | trust me I was being nice |
| 20:20.57 | Kaelten | and no you can't have my babies |
| 20:21.10 | Kaelten | :P |
| 20:21.22 | AckisWork | awwww |
| 20:21.30 | AckisWork | pouts. |
| 20:21.37 | AckisWork | Just wait til BlizzCon |
| 20:21.42 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:21.46 | Kaelten | you bringing your gf? |
| 20:22.02 | AckisWork | Kaelten wakes up with a condom beside him, his pants down, and the condom filled with "hand cream" |
| 20:22.05 | AckisWork | yes |
| 20:22.05 | AckisWork | :D |
| 20:22.22 | AckisWork | she always looks at me weird when I mention something stupid that goes on IRC |
| 20:22.24 | Kaelten | good I'll have to get her to protect me |
| 20:22.42 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:22.56 | AckisWork | she'll do it... for the price of murky ;) hahaha |
| 20:24.57 | Dashkal | wow. 15 minutes to sellout |
| 20:28.04 | Stanzilla | pats homoerotic Ackis |
| 20:28.33 | AckisWork | where? O_o |
| 20:29.07 | Dashkal | meh, AoC UI in the file queue |
| 20:31.23 | ckknight | Dashkal: approve it |
| 20:31.25 | ckknight | AoC UIs are fine. |
| 20:31.48 | Dashkal | I wouldn't even begin to know where to look to validate sucha beast |
| 20:32.04 | Zhinjio | G'morning, worthies. |
| 20:35.54 | Kaelten | Dashkal: no clue honestly. |
| 20:36.05 | Kaelten | Did someone approve something called Hamster UI? |
| 20:36.10 | Dashkal | Hrm, what program is Endeavor using to zip up his stuff? |
| 20:36.17 | Dashkal | Cause the libs don't extract correctly |
| 20:36.21 | Kaelten | heh |
| 20:36.31 | Dashkal | the folders are called Libs\Ace*** |
| 20:36.56 | Dashkal | someone on windows extract the thing and approve it for me :p |
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| 20:54.59 | charon | maybe he has broken svn externals |
| 20:55.16 | charon | some addons on wowace had the same problem |
| 20:55.38 | charon | was endless fun when we plugged a drive with 'Libs\Stuff' directories into a vista with an ext3 driver |
| 20:55.49 | charon | it would silently fail to copy anything if such paths were involved |
| 20:57.56 | Dashkal | heh |
| 20:58.02 | Dashkal | Yeah, I'm gonna leave that file alone :p |
| 21:00.37 | Zhinjio | AckisWork: have you pushed anything today? |
| 21:00.40 | Zhinjio | on ARL? |
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| 21:20.25 | ckknight | @ticket curseforge 303 |
| 21:20.26 | DHS | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/303-timestamps-on-tickets/. 303 - Timestamps on tickets. Reported by: ZealotOnAStick. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 58 seconds ago. Status: Fixed. Priority: High. Assignee: ckknight. Votes: +13. Comments: 0 |
| 21:20.30 | ckknight | ^-- fixed now |
| 21:20.52 | ckknight | hrm, wonder if this works... |
| 21:20.56 | ckknight | @ticket curseforge 303 is now fixed |
| 21:20.56 | DHS | ckknight: (ticket takes the short name of a project or game/short-name and the ticket number) -- Returns details about the ticket |
| 21:20.59 | ckknight | aw. |
| 21:21.16 | ckknight | oh well |
| 21:21.57 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 347 |
| 21:21.57 | DHS | Dashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/347-repository-browser/. 347 - Repository browser. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 12 hours ago. Component: Repositories. Status: Accepted. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Kaelten. Votes: +37. Comments: 6 |
| 21:22.03 | Dashkal | How's progress on that one? |
| 21:22.24 | Kaelten | ckknight: can you step in here a moment please? |
| 21:22.26 | Kaelten | Dashkal: slanted for after the wowace upgrade |
| 21:22.28 | Kaelten | its a big job |
| 21:22.33 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 21:22.37 | ckknight | Kaelten: but I'm comfy |
| 21:22.39 | Dashkal | So wowace is losing it's browser? |
| 21:22.50 | Kaelten | Dashkal: for a little while ya :( |
| 21:22.54 | Dashkal | yechy |
| 21:24.25 | Dashkal | hrm, I thought you marked 217 as fixed |
| 21:24.30 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 217 |
| 21:24.31 | DHS | Dashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/217-randomly-temporarally-lose-my-login-session/. 217 - Randomly temporarally lose my login session. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Defect. Updated: 77 days ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 1 |
| 21:24.58 | ckknight | wowace site is looking cool |
| 21:25.10 | Dashkal | link? |
| 21:25.27 | ckknight | it's on Kaelten's laptop :-P |
| 21:25.32 | ckknight | no soup for you |
| 21:25.33 | Dashkal | forward a port :p |
| 21:25.45 | ckknight | that's his decision to make |
| 21:26.04 | netcurse1 | or... beta.wowace.com ? |
| 21:27.13 | Dashkal | netcurse1: how about beta.curse.com ;) |
| 21:27.41 | Kaelten | I was planning doing a beta.wowace.com |
| 21:27.46 | Kaelten | although right now its more alpha |
| 21:27.46 | Kaelten | heh |
| 21:28.01 | Kaelten | since a lot of pages are broken in small ways |
| 21:28.10 | Kaelten | the changes in navigation is requiring some code changes |
| 21:28.12 | netcurse1 | beta.curse.com = 24 august |
| 21:28.16 | Aiiane | no worse than wotlk beta Kaelten :P |
| 21:28.29 | Dashkal | ooo, right after I get back home from my camping trip then |
| 21:30.04 | Aiiane | phew... half of my room is moved now :) |
| 21:30.27 | Aiiane | (the half not including the computer :P) |
| 21:30.41 | Zhinjio | smiles. |
| 21:30.45 | Zhinjio | glad you like it, ckk |
| 21:31.10 | Kaelten | Heya zhin |
| 21:31.10 | Zhinjio | now if I could just get the damn mysql thinger working on my local machine... |
| 21:31.14 | ckknight | Zhinjio: you were working on the template? |
| 21:31.22 | Kaelten | he did a lot of the bone. |
| 21:31.30 | Kaelten | I've been working on inner pages and code changes |
| 21:31.34 | ckknight | here we go |
| 21:31.36 | Zhinjio | I helped. |
| 21:31.43 | ckknight | @ticket curseforge 303 is now fixed |
| 21:31.43 | DHS | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/303-timestamps-on-tickets/. 303 - Timestamps on tickets. Reported by: ZealotOnAStick. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 12 minutes ago. Status: Fixed. Priority: High. Assignee: ckknight. Votes: +13. Comments: 0 |
| 21:32.17 | Dashkal | taught it to ignore everything after the '303' or does that actually fix it? |
| 21:32.24 | Kaelten | ckknight: does that actually flagged it as fixed or just announce it? |
| 21:32.33 | ckknight | Kaelten: just announces |
| 21:32.41 | ckknight | I haven't added anything to manipulate the db |
| 21:32.42 | Zhinjio | it was alot of "Ok, how's this look Kaelten"..."No, thats all screwed up, I meant this way or that way blah blah" ... oh <two hours pass> "ok, how about this???" |
| 21:32.45 | Zhinjio | etc etc |
| 21:32.58 | Kaelten | repeat ad nasuem |
| 21:33.09 | ckknight | nauseam |
| 21:33.11 | AckisWork | Zhinjio: sounds similar ;) |
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| 21:33.18 | ckknight | mmm... nauseam |
| 21:33.21 | ckknight | like Museum |
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| 21:33.28 | ckknight | only more queasy |
| 21:33.35 | AckisWork | grammar police! |
| 21:33.44 | ckknight | spelling police in that case |
| 21:33.48 | Aiiane | STOP! GRAMMAR TIME |
| 21:33.53 | Zhinjio | I admit though, I'm pretty darn happy with the way it came out in the end. |
| 21:34.07 | AckisWork | yah but I wanted to be consistent with my comments from earlier ie: me saying ie instead of eg |
| 21:34.08 | AckisWork | haha |
| 21:34.14 | Aiiane | so Zhinjio, did kaelten show you all of my little nitpickings |
| 21:34.26 | Zhinjio | Aiiaiiaieeeee |
| 21:34.28 | Zhinjio | (no) |
| 21:34.28 | Kaelten | not yet, but that was on my side mostly |
| 21:34.33 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 21:34.34 | Aiiane | lol :) |
| 21:34.50 | Zhinjio | see, now that I know that, you're in trouble. |
| 21:34.55 | Zhinjio | I yell like that allatime. |
| 21:35.01 | Zhinjio | (when I'm frightened) |
| 21:35.09 | Zhinjio | or when Ellipsis jumps me |
| 21:35.57 | Kaelten | although now zhinjio is ignoring my ims |
| 21:35.58 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:36.10 | AckisWork | I thought I was the only one |
| 21:36.15 | Zhinjio | not! |
| 21:36.22 | Zhinjio | I didn't hear it bong at me |
| 21:36.23 | Zhinjio | er... |
| 21:36.41 | Kaelten | lol |
| 21:37.03 | AckisWork | Zhinjio: the PM's you sent me last night I think I lost them btw, WAR crashed on me when I was tabbing to view them and locked my PC up so I rebooted and went to bed |
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| 21:39.37 | AckisWork | Zhinjio: - gui2 - switcher working with known professions -> sweet! :D |
| 21:40.30 | Kaelten | Dashkal: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7d2873ea6935b81b83e16ed1a1003cfe.png |
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| 21:40.57 | Nechckn | Knock, knock... We had a rather nastey surprise courtesy of the wowmatrix clients suddenly downloading huge amounts of data from our servers. Have you all noticed a marked increase in such traffic as well? |
| 21:41.20 | Kaelten | Nechckn: they've been leeching off of wowace for a long time |
| 21:41.22 | Kaelten | and curse |
| 21:41.35 | Kaelten | then they advertise for themselves to make all the money |
| 21:41.39 | Nechckn | right... but I mean like a big increase over the bast 2 weeks |
| 21:41.51 | Aiiane | (I feel bad for having to ask this, but which site do you work with again Nechckn? wowi? :X) |
| 21:41.53 | Nechckn | s/bast/last/ |
| 21:41.59 | ckknight | @ticket curseforge 223 is now marked as fixed :-) |
| 21:41.59 | DHS | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/223-ticket-changes-not-comments/. 223 - Ticket changes not comments!. Reported by: StrangeWill. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 14 seconds ago. Status: Fixed. Priority: High. Assignee: ckknight. Votes: +6. Comments: 1 |
| 21:42.24 | Kaelten | no idea honestly. |
| 21:42.24 | Nechckn | norganna.org/auctioneer/gatherer/enchantrix, Aiiane |
| 21:42.26 | Kaelten | Nechckn: is on the auctioneer team |
| 21:42.28 | Kaelten | Nechckn: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7d2873ea6935b81b83e16ed1a1003cfe.png |
| 21:42.29 | Aiiane | ah right |
| 21:42.36 | Aiiane | I thought I remembered your name from somewhere :) |
| 21:42.46 | Dashkal | ckknight: that's really sweet looking |
| 21:42.48 | Dashkal | bah |
| 21:42.52 | Dashkal | Kaelten: ^^ |
| 21:42.56 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:42.59 | netcurse1 | nechckn why don't you ask them to take down your addons if they leech your bandwitdh |
| 21:43.01 | ckknight | mmm... salmon |
| 21:43.09 | Kaelten | ckknight: no salmon is darker and redish |
| 21:43.11 | Kaelten | :P |
| 21:43.15 | ckknight | what is that? |
| 21:43.26 | ckknight | white-people-flesh colored? |
| 21:43.28 | Nechckn | It's been requested in the past, netcurse1 |
| 21:43.45 | Kaelten | call it parchement |
| 21:43.46 | netcurse1 | what can we do kaelten/ckknight to help? |
| 21:44.00 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: and they havent? |
| 21:44.02 | ckknight | C&D letters? |
| 21:44.06 | Nechckn | nope |
| 21:44.17 | DHS | [wow] ouf_dafire: 03dafire * 7bc75b49bb05 dafire.lua: (2 revisions total) |
| 21:44.17 | DHS | combopoints for druid/rogue |
| 21:44.17 | DHS | changed name,level side on target and player |
| 21:44.21 | Kaelten | netcurse1: well, C&D DMCA letters, or sue them for an injunction |
| 21:44.35 | Hjalte | Kaelten: That's not bad. I hope the updater that you guys are making will be awesome. |
| 21:44.40 | Arrowmaster | well you guys would probably have a lot easyer time than curse or wowace on trying to parse your log messages to find a good way to identify wowmatrix and block it |
| 21:44.48 | ckknight | Hjalte: it actually is pretty shiny, and I'm not just saying that |
| 21:44.48 | netcurse1 | i guess we could start with a C&D letter |
| 21:45.07 | Nechckn | but it's not so much that it's even there- sort of a given. But, as of late, they changed their client to circumvent our mirroring, resulting in a rather huge bill for b/w overage. |
| 21:45.08 | ckknight | hey, they took down my addons |
| 21:45.10 | ckknight | lulz |
| 21:45.14 | ckknight | that's pretty shiny |
| 21:45.14 | Nechckn | That's why we noticed it |
| 21:45.32 | Kaelten | Nechckn: would you guys be interested in being party to do a joint C&D letter? |
| 21:45.37 | netcurse1 | nechckn, you want us to host your site for free ? :) |
| 21:45.37 | Arrowmaster | if thats the case then yes C&D their ass |
| 21:46.02 | Nechckn | Possibly Kaelten, would have to go over that with Norgs and MentalPower|Work, etc |
| 21:46.08 | Kaelten | Nechckn: *nods* |
| 21:46.29 | Nechckn | Well, you do already, netcurse1 =) at least partially |
| 21:46.37 | Kaelten | heh |
| 21:46.42 | netcurse1 | a good chucnk |
| 21:46.44 | netcurse1 | hehe |
| 21:46.55 | Kaelten | I'm surpised they don't pull the files off of curse. I know thats what they do for QuestHelper |
| 21:46.56 | Nechckn | we have our own more as a means to serve out "specialized" configurations |
| 21:47.09 | Arrowmaster | QuestHelper is only on curse though |
| 21:47.37 | Arrowmaster | how exactly did they circumvent your mirroring? |
| 21:47.54 | Nechckn | hardcoded the main server |
| 21:47.59 | Kaelten | jeez |
| 21:48.01 | Kaelten | thats lowdown |
| 21:48.04 | Nechckn | indeed |
| 21:48.16 | Arrowmaster | well how does your mirroring work? |
| 21:48.27 | Nechckn | so, now there is a nice "your kind of connection is not allowed" notice |
| 21:48.30 | netcurse1 | Nechckn feel free to follow up with Kaelten then and see how we can do something all together |
| 21:48.51 | Nechckn | but- that was implemented yesterday and already the new site has this huge amount of traffic again |
| 21:49.05 | Kaelten | I haven't varified but I assume they use one of the standard browsers connection string. |
| 21:49.07 | Dashkal | I assume their agent is something akin to IE6? |
| 21:49.20 | Nechckn | Yes... one second |
| 21:49.21 | Kaelten | Nechckn: you can redirect to the curse pages for the time being if it'd help you guys |
| 21:49.55 | Kaelten | there is no reason for you guys to have such a huge bill. |
| 21:50.06 | Arrowmaster | well wowmatrix pulls a list of files and urls from their own server, which they get from other places like the wowace latest.xml |
| 21:50.29 | Arrowmaster | do you know how they update from you guys? |
| 21:50.34 | netcurse1 | mannualy |
| 21:50.38 | netcurse1 | i guess |
| 21:50.46 | Dashkal | lil php magic can take care of that right quickly |
| 21:50.49 | Kaelten | they screen scrape the download page |
| 21:50.53 | netcurse1 | :p |
| 21:50.59 | Kaelten | I've wiresharked the request |
| 21:51.05 | Dashkal | URLs that changed based on the date or some such :p |
| 21:51.12 | Dashkal | -d |
| 21:51.20 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: wait the client is doing the scraping? |
| 21:51.25 | Kaelten | Dashkal: that doesn't work when they just pull a fresh copy. |
| 21:51.32 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: I know I saw it request the addon page |
| 21:51.53 | Nechckn | User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)\r\n |
| 21:52.02 | Nechckn | That's them |
| 21:52.06 | Arrowmaster | FunWebProducts? |
| 21:52.12 | Nechckn | yepper |
| 21:52.24 | Kaelten | FunWebProducts? |
| 21:52.26 | Kaelten | ... |
| 21:52.49 | netcurse1 | lawl |
| 21:53.10 | Nechckn | the funwebproducts site is just too funny in, and of, itself |
| 21:53.15 | Arrowmaster | if the client is doing the scraping then that is low since they really would of had to hardcode your main server |
| 21:53.20 | Kaelten | Aol 9 has that in some of their agent strings |
| 21:53.41 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking they did scraping and made a combined download listing |
| 21:53.42 | netcurse1 | we are going to revamp the curse addon basic and advanced search and we are counting on all you guys to give us feedbacks very soon |
| 21:53.49 | netcurse1 | the goal is to make a search that doesn't suck |
| 21:53.50 | Dashkal | Kaelten: They'd have to pull copies as often as you change the URL. And with some php magic, the url changes every X minutes... |
| 21:54.02 | Kaelten | Dashkal: they pull it as they update though |
| 21:54.04 | Kaelten | thats the problem |
| 21:54.13 | Pneumatus | google that user agent |
| 21:54.47 | Nechckn | Well.. for some reason they started downloading not only the "Full Suite" like what we post at curse.. but if anyone has any of our products, they download everything |
| 21:55.29 | Nechckn | this just started a little over a week ago- and it's not like a one-time thing either, it seems to be every day for every client IP |
| 21:55.47 | Nechckn | it does not say "oh, we have that version" let's move on to the next |
| 21:56.01 | Nechckn | it says " oh look, get everything!!" =) |
| 21:56.09 | Arrowmaster | youve verified that it is wowmatrix though? |
| 21:56.19 | Arrowmaster | by using it yourself im guessing? |
| 21:56.22 | AckisWork | you know I was thinking about this issue the other day... the problem with automatic updates is that they leach bandwidth, why not create a client that pulls ads from the site it's downloading from? |
| 21:56.37 | Arrowmaster | AckisWork: security |
| 21:57.23 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster yes |
| 21:57.54 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if it uses that same useragent on macosx |
| 21:59.07 | Pneumatus | FunWebProducts is a spy/adware application |
| 21:59.10 | Nechckn | dunno... and again, it's not so much that folks use it to get the s/w but you all know the reasons why it's "suboptimal" |
| 21:59.19 | Pneumatus | some gay searchbar type affair |
| 21:59.29 | Nechckn | they have all kinds of stuff Pneumatus |
| 22:00.12 | Arrowmaster | if they are hardcoding and not just using whatevers available from the OS like WAU does, then an exact dump of all the headers they send and the exact order might be able identify it from other clients |
| 22:01.14 | Arrowmaster | i would investiage but i dont have a VM to install it in |
| 22:01.23 | Arrowmaster | and wont install it on my desktop |
| 22:01.53 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster that's the best idea right there. They have a ton of users though, which makes me a sad Panda |
| 22:02.17 | Arrowmaster | ton of users can be solved if they nolonger have the popular addons |
| 22:03.01 | netcurse1 | i would guess they have 50k users at least |
| 22:03.07 | Aiiane | get them to take down the norganna addons, and omen |
| 22:03.27 | Arrowmaster | your situation is also a good example to add to the list of things to say when explaining why wowmatrix is bad to try and get them to stop using it |
| 22:03.30 | netcurse1 | WAU has 500, the CC has 400 or so last i checked |
| 22:04.58 | Arrowmaster | 500k and 400k? |
| 22:05.16 | Kaelten | ya |
| 22:05.16 | Aiiane | one would assume so Arrowmaster :P |
| 22:06.50 | Nechckn | Quick question about the upcoming "points" thing- will there be a way to use those for the CC service fee? |
| 22:07.20 | netcurse1 | all authors |
| 22:07.23 | netcurse1 | will have premium |
| 22:07.32 | Nechckn | Ahhhh ok, cool, cool! |
| 22:07.48 | Pneumatus | zomg |
| 22:07.50 | Pneumatus | best news evar |
| 22:08.09 | netcurse1 | not the newbie compilation authors tho |
| 22:08.12 | netcurse1 | =P |
| 22:08.22 | netcurse1 | kaelten is doing a special system for them |
| 22:08.26 | Pneumatus | compilation + author, does not compute |
| 22:08.27 | netcurse1 | so they don t annoy everyone anymore |
| 22:08.36 | AckisWork | netcurse1: what about my CurseForge compilation? |
| 22:08.47 | AckisWork | :P |
| 22:08.49 | Kaelten | AckisWork: it gets deleted |
| 22:08.51 | Kaelten | :P |
| 22:08.54 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 22:08.55 | Pneumatus | AckisWork is the secret author of enhanced newbie package, i heard |
| 22:09.02 | AckisWork | no I'm not |
| 22:09.12 | AckisWork | if I was, it would've had dry-coded in it's description |
| 22:09.15 | Dashkal | netcurse1: Anything for the actual compiliation authors? That is to say the ones who take the time to write the code to integrate everything properly rather than just zip up the interface folder. |
| 22:09.45 | Kaelten | Dashkal: Its really hard to say, judging betweent he two is a difficult thing |
| 22:09.47 | Pneumatus | do they even exist apart from Mazzle and Cosmos? |
| 22:10.13 | Jim-Bim | btw news about first wave keys? : / |
| 22:10.14 | Arrowmaster | i think spartanui or something is like a new mazzle |
| 22:10.15 | netcurse1 | we will do them manually |
| 22:10.19 | Dashkal | Pneumatus: They're rare, but I've seen them from time to time in supported UI threads |
| 22:10.37 | Kaelten | we'llhave to do something special for them. |
| 22:10.38 | netcurse1 | We ll accept as full projects some UI compilation if we see real work |
| 22:10.50 | Dashkal | fair enough then |
| 22:10.56 | netcurse1 | http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff127/tetrabinary/Two/Three/yahooanswers.jpg |
| 22:11.06 | Arrowmaster | i would suggest being extremely strict on them though |
| 22:11.10 | Pneumatus | the problem really is the fact you have to give people a massive list of instructions to dick around with 55,000,000 different SV files to rename characters, etc :< |
| 22:11.11 | Dashkal | Not like this is exactly common. Seems just too tempting to zip up Interface and WTF and call it good |
| 22:11.13 | Nechckn | that sounds like the best idea |
| 22:11.19 | Kaelten | netcurse1: lol |
| 22:11.35 | netcurse1 | if you don't click on my link you are missing something |
| 22:11.35 | Arrowmaster | as in make sure they follow the license of everything they include too |
| 22:11.36 | netcurse1 | =P |
| 22:11.37 | Dashkal | A good one would just drive the configuration manually on first load :p |
| 22:11.45 | Pneumatus | curse should come up with some kind of super-packagemancer, that automatically does replaces in WTF of packs, and drops them in the right place |
| 22:11.57 | Pneumatus | not that there's much call for it |
| 22:11.58 | Nechckn | well, it's easy to just say, "We decide what counts as an "Author". Anyone questioning their status can talk to CKK." |
| 22:11.59 | AckisWork | netcurse1: I hope that wasn't a real question |
| 22:12.07 | Nechckn | That'll scare them off right there, I tell ya. |
| 22:12.17 | ckknight | flexes |
| 22:12.20 | netcurse1 | i think it was ackis |
| 22:12.28 | AckisWork | that's... disturbing |
| 22:12.30 | Dashkal | AckisWork: With the population of the states? I would expect it was. |
| 22:12.34 | AckisWork | is GA in the "south"? |
| 22:12.43 | Kaelten | AckisWork: ya |
| 22:12.56 | Kaelten | but then again I'm from the south nearly my whole life.... so be careful what you say |
| 22:12.57 | AckisWork | God help us heh |
| 22:12.58 | Kaelten | :P |
| 22:13.09 | AckisWork | You are? I'm sorry to hear that |
| 22:13.11 | Aiiane | back in a few mins, running to the mailroom |
| 22:13.27 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 22:13.38 | Kaelten | ~lart AckisWork |
| 22:13.38 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up AckisWork |
| 22:14.19 | Dashkal | Kaelten: Oh god and I had such a high impression of you. Dashed to pieces with that admission |
| 22:14.28 | Kaelten | ~lart Dashkal |
| 22:14.28 | purl | blasts Dashkal to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 22:14.36 | Dashkal | Of course one of my best friends is from and still in SC |
| 22:14.55 | Dashkal | missing a word in there somewhere... brain fail |
| 22:16.00 | Kaelten | :P |
| 22:21.25 | gramg | Why would @project-version@ sometimes show the tag name and sometimes the revision number? |
| 22:21.53 | ckknight | gramg: because if it's a tag, it'll show @project-version@ |
| 22:21.59 | ckknight | if it's not, it'll show the revision number |
| 22:22.08 | gramg | both are tags |
| 22:22.16 | gramg | well . . . think so lemme run another test |
| 22:22.17 | *** topic/#curseforge by ckknight -> Welcome to #curseforge! | Please tell us what you think we're doing wrong and/or right at http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/. | Your feedback will shape the future of this project. | No more new UI Packs will be accepted as CurseForge projects | Let's crush WowMatrix |
| 22:22.27 | ckknight | crush? |
| 22:22.36 | ckknight | Wowmatrix are fuckers |
| 22:22.39 | ckknight | I told em to remove my addons |
| 22:22.44 | ckknight | so they removed them from their website |
| 22:22.50 | ckknight | but you can still download them through their app |
| 22:22.53 | Aiiane | ... |
| 22:23.35 | gramg | yea both are tags ckknight |
| 22:23.41 | ckknight | svn, git, hg? |
| 22:23.44 | gramg | svn |
| 22:23.53 | Pneumatus | have the ace admins tried working out what their host is for scraping the addon list to try and block it? |
| 22:23.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:23.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 22:23.56 | ckknight | file a ticket |
| 22:24.24 | gramg | kk |
| 22:24.44 | Pneumatus | no doubt if you blocked their download list scraper, it would have problems |
| 22:25.14 | Pneumatus | but the problem is probably moot once files. dissapears |
| 22:25.50 | ckknight | still |
| 22:25.55 | Kaelten | gotta run pick up my kids |
| 22:25.55 | ckknight | they are a sons of a bitches :-P |
| 22:26.18 | Dashkal | Wait... 'Kids'? Plural? |
| 22:26.44 | gramg | ckknight, http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/529-project-version-not-consistant-with-svn/ |
| 22:27.19 | gramg | and thx for changing the activity from comments :) |
| 22:29.10 | ckknight | Dashkal: typo, he only has his daughter |
| 22:29.16 | ckknight | gramg: :-) |
| 22:29.34 | Dashkal | Ok, I thought that was odd |
| 22:30.01 | gramg | More information: I am pretty sure I tagged it using svn rather than using the webform like I usually do |
| 22:30.47 | ckknight | just svn cp and all? |
| 22:30.56 | Pneumatus | hmm |
| 22:31.03 | Pneumatus | what license is libgnome distributed under |
| 22:31.23 | gramg | <nods> |
| 22:31.27 | Dashkal | as in the GNOME desktop? I believe it's LGPL |
| 22:31.37 | Pneumatus | i think wowmatrix may be in license violation |
| 22:31.45 | Dashkal | might just be GTK, though |
| 22:31.58 | Dashkal | GTK isn't viral. You can make closed source GTK apps |
| 22:32.10 | Pneumatus | lgpl is though, isnt it? |
| 22:32.19 | Dashkal | negatory, that's what the l is for |
| 22:32.30 | Dashkal | lets you link against it without tainting your code |
| 22:32.42 | ckknight | no, Pneumatus |
| 22:32.57 | ckknight | Pneumatus: lgpl allows you to use it as a library without requiring open-sourcing |
| 22:33.13 | Dashkal | I rather like the LGPL, actually. It's a good compromise between BSD and the viral mess the GPL is. |
| 22:33.21 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:33.24 | ckknight | but I like MIT |
| 22:33.42 | Dashkal | MIT, BSD 2 clause. Same thing in practice |
| 22:34.44 | Pneumatus | libgnome ships with GPL2 |
| 22:34.53 | Pneumatus | ive just checked an archive out |
| 22:35.03 | Dashkal | *nods* GNOME itself is GPL, doesn't surprise me |
| 22:35.10 | Dashkal | but wowmatrix would be GTK, not GNOME |
| 22:35.15 | Pneumatus | hmm |
| 22:36.19 | Pneumatus | looks like it contains libgtk, libgnomevfs, libgnome-2.0, libpango and a bunch of other random stuff |
| 22:36.26 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 22:36.40 | Dashkal | I didn't know libgnomevfs would compile on windows |
| 22:36.56 | Dashkal | send a lil note to the GNOME crew then and let them nuke wowmatrix from orbit :p |
| 22:37.05 | Pneumatus | im looking at the linux binary |
| 22:37.24 | Dashkal | ahh, sadly all that would do is make them stop supporting linux. Wouldn't much dent their userbase |
| 22:37.36 | Dashkal | but they might not actually be using gnome |
| 22:37.47 | Dashkal | could just be a snafu in their build script |
| 22:40.18 | *** join/#curseforge gramg_ (i=dmangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:41.18 | Pneumatus | i wish there was a better version of strings, that actually pulled out strings not random printable characters |
| 22:57.13 | Dashkal | Pneumatus: hack the source to require a \0 at the end of each match? |
| 23:12.05 | Dashkal | The newbie package is back? O.o |
| 23:14.14 | ckknight | link |
| 23:15.05 | Dashkal | erm, no |
| 23:15.07 | Dashkal | a response |
| 23:15.09 | Dashkal | http://www.curseforge.com/admin/reports/26-project-enhanced-newbie/ |
| 23:16.53 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:17.19 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:17.42 | ckknight | meh |
| 23:17.55 | ckknight | actually it wasn't because of bandwidth |
| 23:18.04 | ckknight | that's far too conniving |
| 23:18.08 | Dashkal | I figured. |
| 23:18.09 | ckknight | we deleted it cause UI packs are ghey |
| 23:18.18 | Dashkal | He obviously didn't :p |
| 23:20.34 | Tuller | packs are not inherently bad :P |
| 23:20.44 | Dashkal | I'm not touching ConanStats with a 20' pole |
| 23:21.24 | Dashkal | Inherently, no. Huge zips of interface/wtf with no real work... different story :p |
| 23:21.31 | ckknight | Tuller: not my decision, netcurse said no more packs |
| 23:22.02 | ckknight | yea, if you don't feel like messing with exes, just leave em, Dashkal |
| 23:22.05 | Tuller | guild compilations, and uis are betterish |
| 23:22.10 | ckknight | but don't delete it, it's quite possibly legitimate |
| 23:22.24 | Tuller | though one of those is best left as a forum post |
| 23:22.30 | Dashkal | ckknight: That's exactly what I plan. I can't look into it. No windows malware scanner here |
| 23:23.01 | Dashkal | Might consider getting clamAV installed and just scann any uploads, though |
| 23:23.02 | ckknight | well, I sent a notice to wowmatrix's hosting provider |
| 23:23.05 | Dashkal | ooo |
| 23:23.09 | ckknight | we'll see how that goes |
| 23:23.28 | *** join/#curseforge AFK (n=IceChat7@99.145.96.50) |
| 23:23.51 | ckknight | howdy, AFK |
| 23:23.57 | AFK | Hi |
| 23:24.02 | ckknight | how's your day going? |
| 23:24.14 | AFK | Not bad |
| 23:24.34 | ckknight | I'm getting hungry |
| 23:24.41 | ckknight | I need a woman to make me dinner |
| 23:25.06 | AFK | Can't you cook |
| 23:25.17 | ckknight | yea, but why should I? |
| 23:25.23 | ckknight | also, I like eating with someone else |
| 23:25.24 | AFK | lol |
| 23:25.25 | ckknight | it's comforting |
| 23:25.39 | AFK | Is mom around? |
| 23:25.47 | ckknight | on the other side of the country |
| 23:26.19 | AFK | Which one? |
| 23:26.34 | ckknight | God's country: America! |
| 23:26.36 | ckknight | woo! |
| 23:26.42 | Dashkal | ~lart ckknight |
| 23:26.42 | purl | takes ckknight to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 23:26.44 | Dashkal | damn trator |
| 23:26.54 | ckknight | spell traitor right, at least |
| 23:26.58 | ckknight | and how am I a traitor? |
| 23:27.11 | Dashkal | You defected! |
| 23:27.13 | ckknight | I learned the error of my evil, Canadian ways. I'm a full red-blooded American now! |
| 23:27.24 | Dashkal | ~rmallet ckknight |
| 23:27.24 | purl | ACTION beats ckknight about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 23:27.37 | ckknight | @load Insult |
| 23:27.37 | DHS | ckknight: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:27.41 | ckknight | @insult Dashkal |
| 23:27.41 | DHS | Dashkal - You are nothing but a folly-fallen thimbleful of spur-galled poopy. |
| 23:27.45 | Dashkal | @insult ckknight |
| 23:27.45 | DHS | ckknight - You are nothing but a goatish bag of common-kissing IPC. |
| 23:27.47 | ckknight | @unload Insult |
| 23:27.48 | DHS | ckknight: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:27.51 | Dashkal | too slow |
| 23:27.54 | ckknight | blast. |
| 23:28.32 | AFK | So whats going on with Wow Matrix? |
| 23:29.47 | AFK | I just read the topic . |
| 23:29.49 | DHS | [wow] ouf_dafire: 03dafire * e7e7ecb7966e dafire.lua: |
| 23:29.49 | DHS | when run on wotlk show current threat against target in targettarget bar |
| 23:29.52 | ckknight | well, I sent an email to their providers |
| 23:29.58 | ckknight | telling them all the addons they're infringing |
| 23:30.07 | ckknight | http://www.theplanet.com/legal/ for info |
| 23:30.18 | ckknight | I explained the situation, gave all the necessary details |
| 23:30.22 | ckknight | and hopefully they'll get back to me |
| 23:30.34 | ckknight | and/or shut down wowmatrix.com |
| 23:30.59 | Dashkal | that'd be nice |
| 23:31.12 | ckknight | well, I explained how I was the majority copyright holder in Ace2 |
| 23:31.26 | ckknight | and that roughly half of the addons on their service used Ace2 |
| 23:31.32 | ckknight | and were thus infringing |
| 23:31.43 | ckknight | granted, things are hazy due to the whole free software situation |
| 23:31.47 | ckknight | but we'll see how things pan out |
| 23:32.31 | AFK | How does the copyright read ? |
| 23:32.43 | ckknight | Ace2 is LGPL |
| 23:33.00 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 23:33.05 | ckknight | but some other stuff is not free software |
| 23:33.08 | ckknight | such as Cart3 or PitBull4 |
| 23:33.08 | Dashkal | Wouldn't that make an infringement claim a lil... moot? |
| 23:33.14 | Dashkal | Those are different |
| 23:33.14 | ckknight | which is provided by their service |
| 23:33.26 | ckknight | hey, I just listed what was mine that was up there |
| 23:33.30 | ckknight | if they dispute it, that's fine |
| 23:33.37 | ckknight | we'll boil it down to those two |
| 23:33.47 | ckknight | I'm just trying to cause a ruckus |
| 23:34.24 | Dashkal | heh |
| 23:34.52 | AFK | Biggest problem usually is distribution as a stand alone.....right? |
| 23:35.47 | AFK | Seems tricky. |
| 23:37.39 | AFK | Would it be different if you just allowed users to download only if they are registered and logged in? |
| 23:38.09 | Dashkal | That would kill wowmatrix alright, but wouldn't do curse any favours |
| 23:38.47 | ckknight | truth |
| 23:38.52 | AFK | Sure it would it would save bandwidth also. |
| 23:38.55 | ckknight | this'll mostly be fixed when we move to the new curse |
| 23:39.06 | ckknight | we're gearing up a new media server and such |
| 23:39.15 | ckknight | bandwidth isn't a huge issue |
| 23:39.20 | ckknight | except on patch days |
| 23:39.25 | ckknight | and even then, it's not bad |
| 23:39.35 | ckknight | what hurts on patch days is CPU load |
| 23:39.43 | ckknight | new curse.com will be ready for the WoW 3.0 patch, though |
| 23:39.43 | Dashkal | I've heard those figures. You have an interesting definition of 'not bad' there |
| 23:39.51 | ckknight | "manageable" |
| 23:40.17 | AFK | Its a common practice and it has to be done with the Curse client also...right? |
| 23:40.49 | ckknight | Curse client does require login to download |
| 23:40.56 | ckknight | least, I believe so |
| 23:42.38 | AFK | Well you guys have a great product and thats all that matters. |
| 23:42.52 | ckknight | :-) |
| 23:43.04 | ckknight | AFK: you're the one who had an addon pack on CF, right? |
| 23:43.14 | ckknight | or am I mistaken? |
| 23:43.23 | AFK | Yeah it was just taken down. |
| 23:43.27 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 23:43.32 | AFK | Ace 3 |
| 23:43.37 | ckknight | well, quite soon, we'll have a proper addon pack system |
| 23:43.48 | ckknight | should be a lot more manageable, too |
| 23:44.01 | ckknight | it'll be like a project only separate |
| 23:44.12 | ckknight | we're waiting on the wowace transition |
| 23:44.19 | AFK | Are you sure I can't have Ace3 in my package though? |
| 23:44.21 | ckknight | cause technically with most packs, there's legal issues with including addons from other sites |
| 23:44.41 | ckknight | AFK: if you check Ace3's license, Kaelten put in a provision to not redistribute Ace3 in its full form |
| 23:44.46 | ckknight | technically making it not open source |
| 23:44.53 | ckknight | which I personally think is bullshit, but *shrug* |
| 23:45.07 | AFK | Right but you guys are kind of partnered though. |
| 23:45.21 | ckknight | no, Kaelten's my coworker ;-) |
| 23:45.28 | ckknight | we both work at Curse on CurseForge |
| 23:45.36 | ckknight | and Ace3 is his |
| 23:45.41 | AFK | Well I do apologize though. |
| 23:45.43 | ckknight | it's just a library thing |
| 23:46.05 | ckknight | no real issue, and we'll be happy to have your pack on curseforge once the packs system goes up |
| 23:46.06 | Nechckn | ckknight will/does rock work with beta? |
| 23:46.12 | ckknight | Nechckn: should work fine |
| 23:46.19 | Nechckn | okey dokey |
| 23:47.01 | ckknight | if you run into an issue, tell me |
| 23:47.03 | Nechckn | just trying to figure which ones to use with beta until folks start mentioning that they are "wotlk"-compatible |
| 23:47.11 | Nechckn | Will do, thank you. |
| 23:47.25 | Dashkal | ckknight: did you ever get a "wotlk ready" flag working for curse? |
| 23:47.38 | ckknight | I want one, need to talk to Kaelten about it |
| 23:48.01 | Dashkal | I know wowi got their up just a few days back (they had a category before, but now live addons can be flagged) |
| 23:48.19 | ckknight | well, there's really 3 states |
| 23:48.23 | ckknight | works in live |
| 23:48.25 | ckknight | works in wotlk |
| 23:48.27 | ckknight | works in both |
| 23:49.01 | ckknight | side note: non-mainline repositories will now make packages if it is specified to do so |
| 23:49.23 | ckknight | branches still don't have their own packages, though, which probably won't go in |
| 23:49.48 | Dashkal | wtb ability to just ask the packager to package up a given ref :p |
| 23:50.06 | Dashkal | and yes, I made a ticket |
| 23:50.21 | Dashkal | @ticket 218 |
| 23:50.21 | DHS | Dashkal: (ticket <project> <ticket-num> or <game>/<project> <ticket-num>) -- Returns details about the ticket |
| 23:50.26 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 218 |
| 23:50.26 | DHS | Dashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/218-request-manual-interface-to-the-packager/. 218 - Request: Manual interface to the packager. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 20 days ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: +20. Comments: 2 |
| 23:52.23 | Dashkal | Totally offtopic: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/626ce8beee |
