| 00:00.07 | ckknight | I'm contemplating merging the project + file approval pages, so it's a one-stop shop |
| 00:00.08 | ckknight | could be easier that way |
| 00:00.10 | ckknight | not sure yet |
| 00:00.34 | Net- | =) |
| 00:00.43 | Net- | are you going to work on the localisation tool |
| 00:00.47 | Net- | in the next few days |
| 00:00.48 | ckknight | I want to |
| 00:00.54 | ckknight | I was contemplating working on it tomorrow |
| 00:01.09 | Net- | oki cool, that would be sweet to have before the ace transition |
| 00:01.16 | ckknight | cause I really think it'll be a major boon |
| 00:01.25 | ckknight | although I think that we'll be perfectly fine without it |
| 00:01.37 | ckknight | with it, it'll make many more people happy in their pants |
| 00:01.46 | ckknight | all because of CurseForge :-P |
| 00:03.08 | Aiiane | ckknight, if you do, make sure its clear which are files and which are projects |
| 00:03.08 | ckknight | Aiiane: oh yea, there'd be a separation between the two |
| 00:03.08 | ckknight | but it'd be on one page |
| 00:03.08 | ckknight | is all |
| 00:04.07 | ckknight | I've been thinking about the localization app, how to do it and all |
| 00:04.11 | ckknight | I think I have a pretty good idea |
| 00:05.23 | ckknight | it'd be project-based and each translation would be its own row in the db, which'd then be many-to-many with language |
| 00:05.41 | ckknight | but it'd likely end up looking like norganna's system |
| 00:05.54 | ckknight | I just gotta make sure it has a good import/output system |
| 00:06.14 | ckknight | I'm also wondering about having separate sections per-project |
| 00:06.28 | ckknight | which I could make it hook into the component system if I do that |
| 00:06.28 | ckknight | not sure |
| 00:06.47 | ckknight | in any event, I'll try to get a working, basic implementation going |
| 00:07.02 | ckknight | at which point people can futz around with it and give feedback, and it can be tweaked at that point in time |
| 00:07.10 | Net- | ya |
| 00:07.58 | ckknight | one idea I have as well, once people start using it, is that you could push a button to guess and fill in any translations from other projects |
| 00:08.09 | ckknight | and possibly have it guess from babelfish or what have you |
| 00:08.18 | ckknight | but mark those with a flag saying they need to be looked over |
| 00:08.40 | ckknight | at which point one of the foreigners can check it and either change it to what it should be or mark it as correct |
| 00:09.13 | ckknight | seeing as I'm hyped up on caffeine and guarana and whatever else they stick in those energy drinks, I might get a start on this tonight |
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| 00:13.57 | DHS | Weekly build 2.4.2.27-Beta |
| 00:13.58 | DHS | Update changelog for 2.4.2.27-Beta |
| 00:14.02 | DHS | More ally Zangar tweakings |
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| 00:14.17 | DHS | [wow] tourguide: 03tekkub 072.4.3.32-Beta * 2.4.3.32-Beta / (351 files in 12 directories): (746 revisions total) (Message trimmed by 1133 lines) |
| 00:14.18 | ckknight | hey, DHS recovered |
| 00:14.20 | ckknight | lol |
| 00:14.23 | DHS | Weekly build 2.4.3.32-Beta |
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| 00:14.36 | ckknight | it should have a limiter plugin on it |
| 00:16.45 | ckknight | oh well |
| 00:24.11 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche * r13 AutoText.lua: Added SayMessage to public API for external FuBar support |
| 00:29.18 | PProvost | ckknight: Another idea for pkgmeta - copy file |
| 00:29.34 | ckknight | explain the premise and a real-life use case |
| 00:29.56 | PProvost | For things like common readme, license files, etc that you want put into each addon folder you create with move-folders |
| 00:32.02 | PProvost | Is the syntax for a move-folders line src: dest or the other way 'round? |
| 00:34.33 | ckknight | source -> dest |
| 00:35.22 | PProvost | thought so... just wanted to check |
| 00:35.29 | ckknight | and documented in the knowledge base |
| 00:35.45 | PProvost | I'm reading that page, but it actually doesn't really say which is src and which is dest |
| 00:36.02 | PProvost | It assumes you understand the structure of the mythical Monkey project :) |
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| 00:37.55 | ckknight | bah |
| 00:38.05 | ckknight | (I'm hacking the bot right now, thus the join/leaves) |
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| 00:39.12 | ckknight | ah, finally |
| 00:39.15 | ckknight | @project curseforge |
| 00:39.15 | DHS | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/. CurseForge.com. Leader: Kaelten. Authors: Khalib, ckknight. Updated: 3 minutes ago. Tickets: 118/534 |
| 00:39.21 | ckknight | I added the Tickets thing to the end |
| 00:39.24 | ckknight | it's open/total |
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| 00:40.38 | PProvost | Does the svn post-commit hook process every file? It is tossing on a file that is being deleted in this commit. Weird. |
| 00:41.16 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:41.18 | ckknight | what's it saying? |
| 00:41.28 | PProvost | svn: 'pre-commit' hook failed with error |
| 00:41.30 | PProvost | trunk/Libs.xml has a syntax error: |
| 00:41.32 | PProvost | IndexError: string index out of range |
| 00:41.37 | PProvost | And Libs.xml is being moved to a sub folder |
| 00:41.48 | ckknight | k, hang on |
| 00:41.55 | PProvost | t |
| 00:41.57 | PProvost | ty |
| 00:42.53 | Guest15268 | hello i need some help when someone is free to help me |
| 00:43.35 | ckknight | try now, PProvost |
| 00:43.39 | ckknight | Guest15268: what's up? |
| 00:43.43 | Guest15268 | im so lost with this new cureforged thing. i cant update my project and i cant get (Subversion, Git or Mercurial) to install on windows can any of you guys help me? |
| 00:43.50 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche * r14 / (14 files in 3 directories): |
| 00:43.50 | DHS | Refactored the main addon and the FuBar plugin into two addons |
| 00:43.50 | DHS | Updated .pkgmeta to move the addons around right in the package |
| 00:43.55 | PProvost | Better. Thanks ckknight |
| 00:44.14 | ckknight | Guest15268: first question: do you need svn, git, or mercurial? |
| 00:44.31 | ckknight | Guest15268: and/or do you want to use a source control mechanism? |
| 00:44.46 | Guest15268 | i tryed to download them they seem to be for linux i looked up serveral ways to make them windows compatable and cant get them to work |
| 00:45.25 | Guest15268 | and im linux retarded lol |
| 00:45.33 | ckknight | linux is irrelevant in this convo |
| 00:45.40 | ckknight | mind answering my question? |
| 00:45.58 | Guest15268 | i dont have any of them. but i tryed to install them they are for linux |
| 00:46.07 | ckknight | do you _need_ them? |
| 00:46.18 | ckknight | if you think you do need them, why? |
| 00:46.31 | Guest15268 | from what i understand i need them to update the comments etc. of my project |
| 00:46.39 | ckknight | that is false |
| 00:46.43 | Guest15268 | o? |
| 00:46.54 | Guest15268 | how do i update my details etc.? |
| 00:46.57 | ckknight | comments are all handled on the site, you don't need any extra software |
| 00:47.16 | ckknight | Guest15268: what's the link to your project? |
| 00:47.16 | PProvost | Hmmm... what TZ is the packing script in? Here in the US it is still 8/16 but my most recent checkin shows as 8/17 in my files section |
| 00:47.20 | Guest15268 | well not the comments that people can leave for the addon but the details of the mod |
| 00:47.21 | ckknight | PProvost: UTC |
| 00:47.25 | PProvost | k |
| 00:47.30 | Guest15268 | one sec |
| 00:47.30 | ckknight | Guest15268: right, what's the link to your project? |
| 00:47.54 | Guest15268 | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/titan-panel-honor-grind-fan-u/ |
| 00:48.17 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/titan-panel-honor-grind-fan-u/descriptions/enUS/edit/ |
| 00:48.30 | ckknight | also, http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/titan-panel-honor-grind-fan-u/edit/ |
| 00:48.34 | PProvost | How long should it take for the packager to run? mins? |
| 00:48.52 | Guest15268 | OMG lol |
| 00:49.03 | Guest15268 | i should have came here a long time ago |
| 00:49.15 | Guest15268 | now i feel really stupit lol |
| 00:49.20 | ckknight | PProvost: every 20 minutes |
| 00:49.28 | PProvost | ty |
| 00:49.33 | ckknight | Guest15268: you can reach these pages by going to Project Actions in the top right of your page. |
| 00:49.35 | Guest15268 | thanks alot ckknight |
| 00:49.40 | ckknight | Guest15268: you'll see "Edit Project" and such |
| 00:49.49 | ckknight | and "Manage Descriptions" |
| 00:49.56 | Guest15268 | well i tryed that and it didn't work so well unless of course i went to the wrong place |
| 00:49.58 | PProvost | Wanted to test that pkgmeta, so I guess I can only check it every 20 mins. Any way to force it from my end? |
| 00:50.22 | Guest15268 | i go to manage discriptions and i get to this page http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/titan-panel-honor-grind-fan-u/descriptions/ |
| 00:50.42 | ckknight | yep |
| 00:50.50 | PProvost | Guest15268: Then click the language you want to manage |
| 00:50.53 | ckknight | then Description Actions -> Edit English |
| 00:51.28 | Guest15268 | OMG yea i see it now. |
| 00:51.42 | Guest15268 | thanks man that helps me sooo much |
| 00:52.20 | ckknight | np |
| 00:53.12 | PProvost | ckknight: would be nice if the packager ran immed if the .pkgmeta file changes :P |
| 00:53.58 | ckknight | PProvost: immed? |
| 00:54.09 | ckknight | oh, immediately |
| 00:54.17 | ckknight | well, basically, it runs every 20 minutes currently |
| 00:54.30 | ckknight | theoretically, we could drop it down to every 1 minute and nothing would be harmed |
| 00:54.38 | ckknight | it's there because Kaelten likes it at 20 minutes |
| 00:54.42 | PProvost | Yeah, got that. Just thinking that when I make a change to the pkgmeta, I'd like to see the results asap |
| 00:54.46 | ckknight | frankly, I'd rather have it at every minute |
| 00:54.50 | PProvost | To see if it did what I expected |
| 01:00.02 | Dashkal | @ticket 218 |
| 01:00.02 | DHS | Dashkal: (ticket <project> <ticket-num> or <game>/<project> <ticket-num>) -- Returns details about the ticket |
| 01:00.06 | Dashkal | whistles innocently |
| 01:00.09 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 218 |
| 01:00.09 | DHS | Dashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/218-request-manual-interface-to-the-packager/. 218 - Request: Manual interface to the packager. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 21 days ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: +20. Comments: 2 |
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| 01:13.28 | PProvost | Hey ckknight another question |
| 01:13.35 | ckknight | shoot |
| 01:13.36 | PProvost | Does externals get processed before or after move-folders? |
| 01:14.02 | PProvost | In other words, are the paths in externals the paths that would be before the move or after? |
| 01:14.10 | ckknight | move-folders is last |
| 01:15.30 | ckknight | technically, it does a redirect before it goes into the zip, nothing is actually "moved", just placed in a different location |
| 01:15.53 | PProvost | kthx |
| 01:17.54 | Dashkal | Hrm, the frost wyrm at the login screen looks amazing, but it's rather jarring not hearing it roar |
| 01:28.27 | Dashkal | ckknight: When trying to change the strata in carto3 in wotlk: http://pastey.net/93978 |
| 01:28.35 | Dashkal | happens both with 0.9.1 and the latest alpha |
| 01:28.51 | ckknight | okay, I'll check it out |
| 01:29.22 | Dashkal | not entirely sure its your code given where that stacktrace points |
| 01:30.16 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche * r15 / (7 files in 3 directories): |
| 01:30.16 | DHS | More work getting the FuBar plugin extracted and packaged correctly |
| 01:31.16 | ckknight | Dashkal: technically LibSimpleOptions-1.0 is mine :-P |
| 01:31.24 | ckknight | PProvost: why are you Quaiche on curse? |
| 01:31.26 | Dashkal | oh, well then :p |
| 01:31.56 | PProvost | I've used both for a while. Already had that on curse.com so just reused it when you guys started CF |
| 01:32.07 | PProvost | Quaiche is my game name |
| 01:32.22 | PProvost | I use it here occasionally too |
| 01:35.44 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:35.54 | ckknight | things are simpler when you have one handle across the board |
| 01:35.58 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:38.13 | PProvost | Yeah. |
| 01:38.19 | Quaiche | lol |
| 01:38.40 | Quaiche | When I created the Curse.com account I didn't know these things would become one system |
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| 02:12.04 | Aiiane | so ckknight |
| 02:12.11 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 02:12.18 | ckknight | Quaiche: we can rename you on curse |
| 02:12.25 | Aiiane | what's our policy on people uploading zips to projects with WowMatrix.dat's in them :P |
| 02:13.07 | ckknight | delete, state reason why |
| 02:13.23 | ckknight | WowMatrix.dat are known to be comprimised or some bullshit answer |
| 02:13.42 | Aiiane | Meh. "Please do not upload zip files with WowMatrix.dat in them." |
| 02:13.59 | Aiiane | why give detail when straightforward will suffice |
| 02:14.07 | ckknight | true |
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| 02:14.36 | Quaiche | ckk I may have you do that for me |
| 02:14.45 | Kolie | ckknight: any email reply? |
| 02:14.45 | ckknight | that's an eventually situation |
| 02:14.50 | ckknight | Kolie: to what? |
| 02:15.06 | Kolie | That email from friday. |
| 02:15.26 | ckknight | no, not yet |
| 02:15.29 | Kolie | aww. |
| 02:33.00 | Aiiane | blah...wtb a "UNIT_SPELL_CHANNEL_SUCCESSFUL" event |
| 02:33.52 | ckknight | no soup for you |
| 02:35.18 | Aiiane | well, I'm trying to figure out whether a summon went off successfully or not ckknight |
| 02:35.31 | Aiiane | but its looking like im just going to have to provide an educated guess |
| 03:00.35 | PProvost|away | IF the target goes from out of range to in range that should do it |
| 03:02.01 | PProvost|away | So I missed the WowMatrix discussion. What have they done to make everyone so upset? Someone said something about bypassing mirrors? |
| 03:06.25 | Aiiane | PProvost: doesn't work for my needs |
| 03:06.29 | Kolie | PProvost: its mostly to do with the exorbant bandwidth fees incurred on innocent sites. |
| 03:06.53 | PProvost | Basically any all-in-one updater will violate that, right? |
| 03:08.52 | Kolie | From what I hear, auctioneer has a major bandwidth bill. |
| 03:09.10 | Kolie | And wowmatrix didnt exactly ask to use those downloads. |
| 03:10.06 | Aiiane | PProvost: Most all-in-one updaters don't run their own ads |
| 03:10.23 | Aiiane | or hardcode the main server in so that the distribution/load-balancing system doesn't kick in |
| 03:11.46 | PProvost | Except for the ads though, this isn't any different than a few thousand (or more) players writing their own shell script to do it, right? I'm not disagreeing, just trying to understand the issue. Personally, I use a script. :) |
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| 03:14.32 | Aiiane | PProvost: a few hundred to thousand users writing their own script isnt an issue |
| 03:14.42 | Aiiane | to compare, WAU has something like 500k users |
| 03:14.46 | Aiiane | that's when it becomes an issue |
| 03:15.01 | Aiiane | I think net guessed that wowmatrix has at least something like 50k atm? |
| 03:15.11 | Kolie | they are screen scraping websites, and hot linking to said contents, both acts are pretty frowned upon. |
| 03:15.42 | PProvost | haha... this is something Kaeten and I have been talking about for more than a year |
| 03:16.02 | PProvost | You can't stop that. It is the nature of the way the web works. But I suppose you can be pissed off if you want to be. |
| 03:16.21 | PProvost | Not sure CF should ban the dat file though... seems... well... political. |
| 03:16.36 | PProvost | Dunno... need to think about that |
| 03:17.01 | Aiiane | It's not so much of a straight-up issue |
| 03:17.04 | Aiiane | as one of respect |
| 03:17.26 | Aiiane | For instance, ckknight asked them not to distribute his addons |
| 03:17.31 | PProvost | Things never are when open-source gets involved with addons |
| 03:17.36 | Aiiane | so they took them off their website... but still offered them in the client |
| 03:17.45 | ckknight | I sent them a C&D notice yesterday |
| 03:17.46 | PProvost | His addons are open source. GPL in fact. |
| 03:17.51 | ckknight | no, PProvost |
| 03:17.52 | ckknight | not all of em |
| 03:18.08 | PProvost | They were... didn't know you started using a new license |
| 03:18.29 | ckknight | yea, all rights reserved on my new stuff |
| 03:18.36 | ckknight | too much asshattery with distribution otherwise |
| 03:18.37 | PProvost | No more OSS for you eh? |
| 03:18.43 | Kolie | Not respecting copyright law is how the web works? |
| 03:20.58 | Aiiane | the thing is PProvost |
| 03:21.03 | Aiiane | copyright isn't the only issue |
| 03:21.07 | Aiiane | when you're pulling off someone's server |
| 03:21.29 | PProvost | I hear ya. I've got a few myself. |
| 03:21.30 | Aiiane | its not quite as clear-cut |
| 03:22.06 | Aiiane | I'm not even sure whether there's been any legal precedent set for how much you can restrict who is allowed to access your servers and/or for what purposes |
| 03:22.19 | PProvost | But absent authentication, what you're saying is, this client (Firefox for example) is allowed, but this client (WowMatrix) isn't. Ultimately they're both HTTP clients asking for information. |
| 03:22.35 | Aiiane | but if you say "WowMatrix, please don't access our server" |
| 03:22.35 | Kolie | They are distributing things that arent theres through their software. |
| 03:22.37 | Aiiane | explicitly |
| 03:22.46 | Aiiane | and they change their supplied user info to evade that |
| 03:22.49 | Aiiane | are they at fault? |
| 03:23.00 | Aiiane | or are you just s.o.l |
| 03:23.06 | PProvost | Another viewpoint: They are being a domain specific HTTP client |
| 03:23.17 | Aiiane | PProvost: like I said |
| 03:23.26 | Aiiane | the question is whether sites should be allowed to choose what clients access them |
| 03:23.27 | Aiiane | or not |
| 03:23.42 | PProvost | Obviously hosts can do that. |
| 03:24.02 | PProvost | I'm not sure it is a battle worth fighting. |
| 03:24.05 | PProvost | You can't win |
| 03:24.30 | PProvost | I could write WowMatrix as a Firefox extension. Then it really is Firefox. Is that a problem? |
| 03:24.48 | Kolie | Just because it can be done, it doesn't make it right, or that it should be done. |
| 03:25.24 | Kolie | And as mentioned, is the method of doing so that is the main cause of prblems. |
| 03:25.38 | PProvost | The ads? |
| 03:25.53 | Kolie | Load distribution ignoring, ads, scraping other sites... |
| 03:26.25 | Aiiane | its a lot of individual factors |
| 03:26.33 | Aiiane | that on their own might be ignored/not cared about |
| 03:26.49 | Aiiane | but together become a problem |
| 03:29.13 | PProvost | Any author who uses an OSS license shouldn't care about that. I totally understand why ad-supported sites like Curse, WowAce, whatever, may not like it. That is about money. But if you are an author, who has published on an OSS license, you should be happy to have anyone distribute it. |
| 03:29.53 | Aiiane | unless you happen to care for the wellbeing of the ad-supported sites |
| 03:30.08 | PProvost | Then you shouldn't have put it under an OSS licence my friend. |
| 03:30.45 | Aiiane | No; rather, they should use their own servers to serve content to their own client |
| 03:30.51 | Aiiane | that has nothing to do with the license of the content |
| 03:31.07 | Aiiane | that has to do with the TOS of the server you're pulling the content from |
| 03:31.41 | PProvost | Ahh... TOS on publicly available HTTP content streams. There's an interesting idea. |
| 03:31.48 | Net- | well what's funny is |
| 03:31.53 | PProvost | Not sure how the lawyers would decipher that. |
| 03:31.55 | Net- | wowmatrix has ads in their client |
| 03:32.01 | Net- | and have us pay their bandwitdh |
| 03:32.06 | Net- | :) |
| 03:32.50 | Kolie | TOS on websites are enforcable, theres ample case law. |
| 03:33.06 | Aiiane | exactly |
| 03:33.15 | Aiiane | just because it's available doesn't mean it's public domain |
| 03:35.36 | PProvost | not sure about there being ample case law for sites that are hosting stuff who's license explicitly states that is has to be made available free to anyone who wants it |
| 03:35.53 | PProvost | I'm talking about the content license, not the site license |
| 03:35.59 | PProvost | Not sure that's been tested |
| 03:36.16 | Aiiane | the thing is |
| 03:36.23 | Aiiane | you always have the option to provide content |
| 03:36.25 | Kolie | this has nothing to do with the content |
| 03:36.30 | Aiiane | or to not provide it |
| 03:36.42 | Kolie | and everything to do with wowmatrix not providing it, and taking it from the people who do provide it directly. |
| 03:37.09 | Aiiane | if i have a piece of GPL code on my computer |
| 03:37.15 | Aiiane | and you ask me to email it to you |
| 03:37.18 | Kolie | I would love to have a service offering mb size downloads to thousands of users, and never see a bit of the bandwidth. |
| 03:37.19 | Aiiane | I'm not required to email it to you |
| 03:37.26 | Aiiane | I just can't charge you for it if I do email you |
| 03:38.19 | Aiiane | however, I *could* charge you for the bandwidth of my email |
| 03:38.25 | Aiiane | because that's completely unrelated to the code itself |
| 03:38.57 | Aiiane | but id be strung up in a court if I tried to only charge for emails that contained the code |
| 03:39.16 | Aiiane | because then its not unrelated anymore |
| 03:39.27 | PProvost | Hmmm |
| 03:39.31 | Aiiane | but screen-scraping is bad regardless of what's being scraped |
| 03:39.36 | Aiiane | thus it's unrelated to the content |
| 03:39.39 | PProvost | lol |
| 03:39.40 | Aiiane | it's totally bandwidth related |
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| 03:41.43 | Aiiane | and so while no, you can't prevent the average person from writing a shell script to do it |
| 03:42.01 | Aiiane | you *can* prevent some organized entity from making it so commonplace that it becomes a major issue |
| 03:42.24 | Aiiane | same thing with copyright law, really |
| 03:42.34 | Aiiane | you can't prevent indivdual issues |
| 03:42.45 | Aiiane | but you most certainly can go after the big-time bootleggers |
| 03:43.12 | Aiiane | (although the recording industry hasn't really seemed to have realized the first half of that yet) |
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| 07:16.11 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche * r16 AutoText_FuBar/AutoText_FuBar.lua: Fixed a couple of bugs in the FuBar module |
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| 08:26.48 | charon | morning |
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| 09:16.50 | DHS | [wow] poot-poot: 03koldman * r60 pootpoot.lua: Fixed taunt resist toggle |
| 09:18.34 | DHS | [wow] poot-poot: 03koldman 04v0.1.7c * r61 : Tagging as v0.1.7c. |
| 09:26.14 | starlon | charon, you there? |
| 09:26.23 | charon | no |
| 09:26.25 | charon | hides |
| 09:26.46 | starlon | casts perception. |
| 09:26.47 | starlon | ah hah |
| 09:26.47 | charon | damn. |
| 09:27.23 | starlon | hey did you ever get your beta key? |
| 09:27.25 | charon | no |
| 09:27.25 | starlon | k |
| 09:27.25 | starlon | me either |
| 09:27.25 | starlon | just wondering |
| 09:27.30 | charon | sucks :( |
| 09:27.37 | starlon | yeah :( |
| 09:27.52 | charon | then again this prevents me from wasting the little holidays i have on WoW |
| 09:28.03 | starlon | lol |
| 09:59.10 | DHS | [wow] lorhin: 03carancu * r4 / (4 files in 2 directories): |
| 09:59.10 | DHS | Localized the new gui. And fixed a bug that made it impossible to change the flip vertical/horizontal settings. |
| 10:01.10 | charon | hmm, i wonder if i should poke at the git bot reporting hook again |
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| 10:31.00 | nevcairiel | Kolie: ping |
| 10:36.46 | netcurse | he's sleeping |
| 10:37.01 | netcurse | i think he's going to california |
| 10:37.03 | netcurse | tomorrow |
| 10:37.56 | nevcairiel | I wanted to yell him about his broken client =( |
| 10:38.00 | nevcairiel | *at him |
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| 10:45.26 | netcurse | please do |
| 10:45.49 | netcurse | are you in 1.0.6.0? |
| 10:46.10 | netcurse | if you are going to play and mod WAR #waruidev btw :) |
| 11:01.03 | nevcairiel | The popup for updating addons is already annoying enough, i didnt realize you even had to wait 5 seconds once it opens before you can download |
| 11:01.10 | nevcairiel | that will seriously piss people off |
| 11:01.54 | nevcairiel | also if i hit Exit in the menu, i expect a application to "Exit", and not minimize to try =P |
| 11:01.56 | nevcairiel | *tray |
| 11:07.29 | netcurse | for the exit thing we decided we ll keep it that way |
| 11:07.39 | netcurse | as a premium you won't see the popup |
| 11:07.54 | nevcairiel | I know, but thats not the point |
| 11:08.00 | nevcairiel | I dont use update clients anyway |
| 11:08.38 | nevcairiel | A popup with a extra button already is alot, now waiting 5 seconds, thats just evil |
| 11:08.44 | netcurse | we must have the 5 sec delay or people won't look at the ads, we will have a very low click rates and advertisers won't want to be on the client, and we ll have the same problem as now, where ads network will never pay for the system |
| 11:09.14 | nevcairiel | Maybe thats just me, but i wouldnt click it no matter how long it shows =P |
| 11:09.24 | netcurse | i wanted to have only direct campains on the client so we never have virus problems.. |
| 11:10.00 | nevcairiel | I would rather see a alternating ad-banner directly in the client |
| 11:10.03 | nevcairiel | and remove the delay |
| 11:10.08 | nevcairiel | isnt that possible? |
| 11:10.21 | netcurse | we ll have to test performance |
| 11:10.38 | netcurse | it's not like i like these things, the problem is honnestly |
| 11:11.09 | netcurse | we compete with people like IGN,gamespot, 1up, mtv network, etc for any money |
| 11:11.19 | nevcairiel | Well as it looks right now, its nearly faster to use Curse.com directly, then the client |
| 11:11.34 | netcurse | and they have a much bigger brand than us, lot more traffic, sales people everywhere in the US |
| 11:12.11 | netcurse | so if we want to even be considered for advertising dollars, we have to be able to show the same performance as these sites ;/ |
| 11:12.40 | netcurse | ads network right now with the shitty economy are very very low |
| 11:13.15 | netcurse | that s our problems anyway, just wanted you to have some insigt of why we are doing things like this |
| 11:13.29 | netcurse | it's not because we *like* it :) |
| 11:13.57 | netcurse | it won't be faster for the normal user nev |
| 11:15.25 | nevcairiel | well the thing is, alot of the people that used wowace dont really "like" Curse, and if the client stays like that, they'll switch to other pages anyway |
| 11:15.59 | nevcairiel | Even i never look at my projects on curse, because only idiots use it and post stupid comments, i get my feedback from other places =P |
| 11:17.34 | netcurse | that's what happen when you have millions of people not tech savy at all. |
| 11:17.41 | netcurse | using your software |
| 11:19.44 | netcurse | but i don't think it's fair to call all curse users idoiots |
| 11:19.56 | netcurse | you are saying that 4.3 millions people are idiots :P |
| 11:20.05 | nevcairiel | a lot more then that |
| 11:20.07 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 11:20.40 | netcurse | what would be the incentive for people to get premium also if they can just click very quilky on eacvh addon |
| 11:20.53 | netcurse | when wowace has its new software, the number of releases will go down |
| 11:22.30 | netcurse | all i can say nev is, we are going to give a try to that system, the whole organization to make a premium program and author reward program is heavy |
| 11:22.35 | netcurse | i believe we can make it working |
| 11:22.49 | netcurse | we have invest a lot of ressource into it |
| 11:27.50 | netcurse | but we'll adjust things anyway if we see major problems |
| 11:28.03 | netcurse | i think we have show a very open mindset on the client development so far |
| 11:28.33 | netcurse | food brb :) |
| 11:28.45 | nevcairiel | Personally, i hate apps that decide whats good for me, if i want to close a app, it should go close, and not wander off to hide in my tray ;) |
| 11:28.57 | nevcairiel | I update addons with it, not like it has any benefit for me to run in background |
| 11:29.29 | netcurse | soon you ll want it open all the time :P |
| 11:29.38 | nevcairiel | I wont even install it, but ok :) |
| 11:29.48 | netcurse | you ll get free premium |
| 11:29.55 | netcurse | so it will work automaticly |
| 11:30.06 | nevcairiel | I update using svn or git |
| 11:30.17 | netcurse | :) |
| 11:30.18 | nevcairiel | that way i can directly fix errors that i notice |
| 11:30.23 | netcurse | alright |
| 11:30.27 | netcurse | brb |
| 11:33.52 | nevcairiel | pokes ckknight |
| 11:34.00 | ckknight | I have been poked. |
| 11:34.49 | nevcairiel | The files.xml for every project, can you include the file-type there? (Release, Beta, Alpha) |
| 11:37.00 | DHS | [wow] raidassass: 03graemef * r2 / (5 files in 1 directory): Initial commit - just prints some stuff out at the moment. |
| 11:37.33 | nevcairiel | also, approve my file upload on BT3 =P |
| 11:38.18 | ckknight | k |
| 11:38.53 | ckknight | make a ticket about the xml thing |
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| 11:50.33 | DHS | [wow] raidassass: 03graemef * r3 embeds.xml: Adding embeds.xml |
| 11:57.20 | ckknight | I'm watching the movie Babel now |
| 11:57.27 | ckknight | I'd tap the deaf girl |
| 11:59.24 | ckknight | now the real question is |
| 11:59.28 | ckknight | would she be a screamer? |
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| 12:19.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: probably |
| 12:20.03 | ckknight | that what I was thinking |
| 12:20.07 | ckknight | though she probably wouldn't realize |
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| 12:20.30 | sag_ich_nicht | all girls are screamers by default unless they inhibit the screaming, which is retarded |
| 12:20.54 | sag_ich_nicht | most don't even realize that they do inhibit it, it's a trained reflex mostly from hiding from parents or similar while in puberty |
| 12:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | (or from shame, which equals pretty much to the same thing) |
| 12:25.34 | sag_ich_nicht | so a deaf girl wouldn't be very likly to inibit it since she is less like to be concerned by it |
| 12:26.44 | ckknight | well, since she wouldn't be used to talking, she wouldn't be used to using her vocal chords at all |
| 12:41.35 | DHS | [wow] goingprice_allakhazam: 03neikos * r158 / (2 files in 1 directory): Updating to version 2.4.1218976857 |
| 12:41.38 | DHS | [wow] goingprice_allakhazam: 03neikos 042.4.1218976857 * r159 : Tagging version 2.4.1218976857 |
| 12:42.09 | DHS | [wow] cheesesls: 03dieck * r14 CheeseSLS/gui-lootframe.lua: files was missing |
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| 13:24.13 | Net- | http://forums.curseforge.com/showthread.php?p=141#post141 |
| 13:24.21 | Net- | who rejected his addon ?> :P |
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| 13:46.37 | Pneumatus | rejected because its an un-autorised copy of protected work, perhaps? |
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| 14:01.51 | Net- | no clue |
| 14:01.51 | Net- | :P |
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| 14:26.56 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=13242.msg237437#msg237437 I am going to stab whoever is responsible for this |
| 14:34.44 | nevcairiel | man blizz finally did something good |
| 14:35.03 | nevcairiel | beta server has a queue now, once you get through, its not lagging :) |
| 14:35.24 | nevcairiel | only problem is the login server hanging on authenticating half of the time now =P |
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| 14:54.08 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel lol |
| 14:54.10 | sag_ich_nicht | that's awesome |
| 14:54.16 | sag_ich_nicht | too bad I have to farm 5k honor on live atm |
| 14:54.21 | sag_ich_nicht | because i got 1650 rating now |
| 14:54.55 | nevcairiel | well right now the beta login isnt working again <.< |
| 14:54.58 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
| 14:55.25 | sag_ich_nicht | I hope this PT3 issue gets fixed soon |
| 14:55.28 | sag_ich_nicht | REALLY annoying |
| 14:55.35 | nevcairiel | its probably in the data miner |
| 14:55.36 | sag_ich_nicht | it's sorting all my bags wrong |
| 14:55.37 | sag_ich_nicht | >( |
| 14:55.38 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
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| 14:55.40 | nevcairiel | that creates the categories |
| 14:56.01 | sag_ich_nicht | I bet there are a million other inconsistencies because of this issue |
| 14:56.06 | Net- | slaps sag_ich_nicht around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:56.13 | sag_ich_nicht | (why the hell is it ALWAYS me that discovers those issues) |
| 14:56.15 | sag_ich_nicht | Net- what you want? :P |
| 14:56.42 | Net- | why your name means i didn't say it |
| 14:56.47 | Net- | because you are a TROLL? |
| 14:56.49 | Net- | :) |
| 14:57.32 | sag_ich_nicht | Net-: actually, meaning wise it means "I won't tell you" |
| 14:57.40 | sag_ich_nicht | so basicially I won't tell my nickname |
| 14:57.44 | sag_ich_nicht | which is a recursive paradox |
| 14:57.49 | Net- | :) |
| 14:57.53 | Net- | are you going to the GC? |
| 14:57.59 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 14:58.02 | Net- | why not |
| 14:58.30 | sag_ich_nicht | because it's more than 1000km away? |
| 14:58.36 | sag_ich_nicht | I was at the first GC including the concert |
| 14:58.45 | sag_ich_nicht | but I can't afford to go to it anymore |
| 14:58.50 | sag_ich_nicht | need a job badly 8( |
| 14:58.56 | Net- | ah ;/ |
| 14:59.48 | sag_ich_nicht | also I'd probably just walk up to the blizzard booth and randomly punch people in the stomach |
| 15:00.10 | nevcairiel | its usually to crowded at the blizzard booth to even get your fist up |
| 15:00.27 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel that's a good thing |
| 15:00.37 | sag_ich_nicht | means I can punch them and they won't know who did it |
| 15:00.48 | sag_ich_nicht | there probably will be millions of scrubs crowding it |
| 15:01.15 | sag_ich_nicht | so I have to PANCH them |
| 15:01.51 | sag_ich_nicht | also I still have the mario kart double dash lanyard that I... acquired from the nintendo both at the first GC |
| 15:02.31 | sag_ich_nicht | do they still have the stupid separate areas depending on FSK/USK rating? |
| 15:03.17 | nevcairiel | not completly different areas |
| 15:03.29 | nevcairiel | 18+ Content just has a check |
| 15:03.36 | nevcairiel | and they have to have some walls or so |
| 15:03.53 | nevcairiel | at least thats how it was 2 years ago |
| 15:03.56 | nevcairiel | when i went there |
| 15:04.22 | sag_ich_nicht | last time I was there(first GC ever) they had areas for 16 and for 18 years and you had to be 12 years at least to attend |
| 15:04.41 | Jim-Bim | so you cheated to get in? |
| 15:04.49 | sag_ich_nicht | no need to |
| 15:04.52 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 15:05.08 | sag_ich_nicht | the ommiting of information isn't cheating. |
| 15:05.10 | sb | with 18+ with pr0n? |
| 15:05.14 | sb | -with |
| 15:05.17 | Jim-Bim | you wanna tell me you were at least 12 years old? |
| 15:05.40 | sag_ich_nicht | of course |
| 15:05.44 | Jim-Bim | I see |
| 15:05.50 | Jim-Bim | where are you from? |
| 15:06.00 | Jim-Bim | 1000km doesnt sound like germany |
| 15:06.38 | sb | sounds like .at :p |
| 15:07.14 | sag_ich_nicht | if you'd bother to /whois you'd know that already |
| 15:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 15:08.02 | sag_ich_nicht | lern2irc! |
| 15:08.24 | Jim-Bim | that was a whois, which didn't indicate at for me :P |
| 15:08.34 | Jim-Bim | well, maybe its chatzilla's fault |
| 15:08.36 | sag_ich_nicht | set /away when you leave! use /back when you return! lern2/whois! get a working identd! |
| 15:08.40 | sag_ich_nicht | copy paste the whois |
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| 15:09.00 | sag_ich_nicht | don't hit ctrl+F4 accidentially! |
| 15:10.21 | nevcairiel | whois only tells me a IP which doesnt resolve to any hostname for me, and i doubt anyone would go do a whois lookup on the ip :) |
| 15:10.27 | Jim-Bim | AT - Austria |
| 15:10.49 | Jim-Bim | asking is easier! |
| 15:10.56 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:10.58 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not easier |
| 15:11.00 | sag_ich_nicht | it's LAZIER |
| 15:11.13 | nevcairiel | Lazy = Easy! |
| 15:11.13 | sag_ich_nicht | learn the difference, it could safe your life and your face some day |
| 15:11.14 | Jim-Bim | same for me |
| 15:11.17 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 15:11.18 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not |
| 15:11.19 | sag_ich_nicht | go away |
| 15:11.21 | sag_ich_nicht | slacker |
| 15:12.11 | Jim-Bim | btw were there any news about first wave keys? |
| 15:13.58 | sag_ich_nicht | dunno |
| 15:30.42 | Kolie | nevcairiel? |
| 15:31.18 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:31.36 | nevcairiel | I played with the curse client, and i see it uploads some kind of hardware survey, wtf is it sending? |
| 15:32.09 | Kolie | Check out the wowace thread on the the topic, but its basically ram free hd free cpu speed etc. |
| 15:32.19 | Kolie | I use it for correlating crash data. |
| 15:32.36 | Kolie | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14581 |
| 15:32.40 | Kolie | It was well went over here. |
| 15:32.56 | nevcairiel | Yeah i only read that when people started flaming |
| 15:33.30 | Kolie | That topic is what started the flaming actually, then you came in :) |
| 15:37.11 | nevcairiel | The usage of it is not really user-friendly though |
| 15:37.19 | Kolie | Hmm, It looks like my reply is non existant, it was a really complete list of hardware info. |
| 15:37.25 | nevcairiel | Whats supposed to happen when i click "Update All" in non-premium mode? |
| 15:37.36 | nevcairiel | seems like nothing happens at all |
| 15:38.19 | nevcairiel | Its not really intuitive :) |
| 15:38.54 | Kolie | I'll explain that actually. |
| 15:39.01 | Kolie | its identical for prem/non prem |
| 15:39.09 | Kolie | what happened is, I was playing wow at the time |
| 15:39.27 | Kolie | and I wanted to be able to check for updates before I played, rather then wait an hour for the next check |
| 15:39.38 | Kolie | hitting that button checks all the addons in your list for updates immediatly |
| 15:39.47 | nevcairiel | maybe rename it |
| 15:39.52 | nevcairiel | to say "Check for Updates" |
| 15:40.01 | nevcairiel | Update All sounds like "download new versions and install" |
| 15:40.05 | Kolie | I know :) |
| 15:40.38 | nevcairiel | also the client got seriously confused when i renamed my addons dir |
| 15:40.47 | Kolie | you have to repoint it there. |
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| 15:41.11 | nevcairiel | nah i renamed my addons dir so it doesnt mess up my addons, so it was supposed to build me a new one :) |
| 15:41.42 | nevcairiel | but it thought i had CurseProfiler installed, and refused to reinstall it :D |
| 15:42.21 | Kolie | lol do you know how many non existant directory checks i have... theres another one for me. |
| 15:42.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:44.07 | sag_ich_nicht | asdasdasd |
| 15:44.27 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on there's a parrot wotlk branch? |
| 15:44.28 | sag_ich_nicht | DO WNAT |
| 15:44.29 | sag_ich_nicht | *WANT |
| 15:45.08 | nevcairiel | msbt > parrot |
| 15:45.11 | sag_ich_nicht | go away |
| 15:45.37 | nevcairiel | I prefer addons with their original author still working on them |
| 15:45.44 | nevcairiel | not some fill-in guy patching it up to work :) |
| 15:46.37 | sag_ich_nicht | pff |
| 15:47.16 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't care who works on it as long as it works and fits my needs, and I like the way it works and I don't want to reconfigure everything AGAIN so there :P |
| 15:53.09 | *** join/#curseforge Ominous (n=Ominous@85-210-108-186.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 15:58.03 | Pneumatus | oooh |
| 15:58.13 | Pneumatus | cf tickets now have an activity log? |
| 15:58.25 | Pneumatus | sexleg. |
| 15:58.34 | *** join/#curseforge netcurse (n=hthieblo@118.Red-80-25-112.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:09.07 | Kolie | It was split from comments Pneumatus |
| 16:13.31 | *** join/#curseforge dieck (n=dieck@p5B22E402.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:14.05 | netcurse | mm |
| 16:14.21 | netcurse | i ll answer the last post on the wowace ownership thread |
| 16:14.39 | DHS | [wow] cheesesls: 03dieck * r17 CheeseSLS/CheeseData.lua: example data update with changed variable names |
| 16:17.09 | Kolie | netcurse: dont feed the trolls. |
| 16:17.28 | netcurse | i won't |
| 16:17.39 | netcurse | i'm not a good troller |
| 16:17.44 | netcurse | especially in english :( |
| 16:17.45 | Kolie | actually |
| 16:17.49 | Kolie | that guy didnt seem to be a troll |
| 16:18.21 | nevcairiel | nah that post was fine |
| 16:18.28 | netcurse | 1) Will the CurseUpdater be shared repository with CurseForge.com ? |
| 16:18.44 | nevcairiel | Now we have to answer that for you? |
| 16:18.46 | Kolie | curse client uses the curseforge packages yes |
| 16:18.46 | netcurse | is he asking if the projects will be shared between CF/wowace/curse? |
| 16:18.46 | nevcairiel | But, yes |
| 16:19.03 | nevcairiel | He is asking if the Updater can get packages from CF too |
| 16:19.12 | netcurse | i wasn't sure to get the question nev, sorry :) |
| 16:19.14 | Kolie | Thats its main source. |
| 16:19.44 | nevcairiel | the Curse Updater will get packages from CF and from WoWAce |
| 16:19.49 | nevcairiel | from what i understand =P |
| 16:20.26 | sag_ich_nicht | the curse updater will also be a dick and want your money to have the same functions that WAU has right now. |
| 16:20.29 | Kolie | the curseforge software, speaks psyn, and can be configured to push to the addon service |
| 16:20.45 | Kolie | sag_ich_nicht: The curse client in its free mode will behave as the curse client always has. |
| 16:21.22 | Kolie | We have had a free version of the client forever, and we are not renigging on the free features it has always provided. |
| 16:21.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: I know. so? updating the bloody addons addon by addon IS FUCKING HARD with 471 addons |
| 16:21.49 | Kolie | We are extending its features, and the free stuff has been improved quite a bit, its a complete rewrite, hwever one click udate every addon is not available. |
| 16:22.02 | Kolie | Not every 470 addon updates at once :) |
| 16:22.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: I know |
| 16:22.04 | nevcairiel | Thats what you get for using disembed :) |
| 16:22.08 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: go away |
| 16:22.14 | Kolie | Disembedded is god. |
| 16:22.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: you realize someone will come up with an updater that will just SVN pull the stuff in one click |
| 16:22.39 | sag_ich_nicht | :3 |
| 16:22.48 | Kolie | sag_ich_nicht: I do realize it. Your point? |
| 16:22.52 | sag_ich_nicht | oh nothing |
| 16:23.08 | nevcairiel | its easier right now to just scrap CF for the file links |
| 16:23.17 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: or that |
| 16:23.55 | nevcairiel | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/bartender3/files.xml --> follow link. search for .zip link, download, but meh, easy to shut-down if abused |
| 16:24.13 | nevcairiel | *files.rss |
| 16:24.24 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: so you just scrape it different |
| 16:24.25 | netcurse | alright answered |
| 16:24.30 | sag_ich_nicht | it's not preventable |
| 16:24.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: I'm just saying that moving from a free to a pay model (which is what you do since WAU won't work anymore, claiming anything different is doublespeak) has never worked for anyone |
| 16:25.03 | Kolie | sag_ich_nicht: I dont claim to do anything. |
| 16:25.06 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 16:25.09 | Kolie | I work on the curse client. |
| 16:25.13 | sag_ich_nicht | I didn't say you claimed it |
| 16:25.37 | sag_ich_nicht | I just said it preemptivly before someone makes such a claim |
| 16:25.38 | nevcairiel | most people will realize that addons dont update on a daily basis anymore |
| 16:25.40 | Kolie | Im not moving from a free to a pay model. |
| 16:25.57 | nevcairiel | and that from their 500 addons they only have to update 10 per week |
| 16:26.00 | nevcairiel | if even that many |
| 16:26.07 | Kolie | The curse client is adding extra features, for which you can pay, that extend free functionality it always provided. |
| 16:26.20 | netcurse | sag_ich_nicht, wau has been free forever because of us paying the thousands of dollars of bills every month for more than a year now |
| 16:26.33 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: I know |
| 16:26.36 | netcurse | maybe we should have shut it down at that time, so it would not be a problem |
| 16:26.42 | netcurse | right now |
| 16:26.45 | sag_ich_nicht | don't missunderstand me |
| 16:26.51 | Gnarfoz | instead, ignore him |
| 16:26.52 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 16:26.56 | Kolie | hes trolling :) |
| 16:26.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz go away |
| 16:26.59 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 16:27.01 | Gnarfoz | <3 |
| 16:27.03 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm not for once actually |
| 16:27.28 | nevcairiel | You can never stop people writing scraper apps |
| 16:27.31 | nevcairiel | however |
| 16:27.38 | nevcairiel | the majority of users will use a official client |
| 16:27.40 | netcurse | We know that it will not be easy, that is why we are investing a ton of ressource into making this the best experience possible, especially for the authors. |
| 16:27.43 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: I'm not saying the current move is wrong |
| 16:27.44 | nevcairiel | let those few hundred use their scraper |
| 16:27.49 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm just saying it won't work ;) |
| 16:27.58 | *** join/#curseforge shingo (n=shingo@p5B055580.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:28.18 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: /2 spam will prevent that |
| 16:28.32 | nevcairiel | People get careful these days |
| 16:28.37 | nevcairiel | a random .exe from some weird page |
| 16:28.46 | nevcairiel | you never know |
| 16:28.51 | sag_ich_nicht | except it won't be some random .exe from some weird page |
| 16:29.17 | sag_ich_nicht | e.g. JWowUpdater isn't some random .exe from some weird page too, in the end |
| 16:29.30 | nevcairiel | no, but its advertised in the official wowace forums |
| 16:29.33 | nevcairiel | your new scraper wont be |
| 16:30.24 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: no, it'll just be advertised in the offical forums instead which curse can't prevent, gg |
| 16:30.42 | nevcairiel | haha official forums |
| 16:30.48 | nevcairiel | i dont download anything posted on there |
| 16:30.54 | nevcairiel | never |
| 16:31.05 | sag_ich_nicht | it doesn't matter |
| 16:31.06 | sag_ich_nicht | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect |
| 16:31.24 | nevcairiel | thats different |
| 16:31.39 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it's not. someone will post the updater on the forums, the admins will delete it, and then boom |
| 16:31.54 | nevcairiel | Alot of people will realize that they need 5 clicks per week to update their addons with the official client |
| 16:32.03 | nevcairiel | so why use another one to get that down to 3 clicks <.< |
| 16:32.15 | sag_ich_nicht | it's always been that way and if you think any different you'll just make me go "I told you so" and dance my troll dance around you |
| 16:32.17 | Kolie | right click -> Update, download button? |
| 16:32.17 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 16:32.20 | Kolie | It is 3 clicks |
| 16:32.27 | nevcairiel | Kolie: per-addon =P |
| 16:32.27 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 16:32.29 | sag_ich_nicht | it's one button |
| 16:32.30 | sag_ich_nicht | F10 |
| 16:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | atm :P |
| 16:32.40 | Kolie | No.. its not. |
| 16:32.43 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: need to start and exit the tool too |
| 16:32.44 | sag_ich_nicht | it's in WAU. :P |
| 16:32.48 | netcurse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.51 | netcurse | are you an addon author? |
| 16:32.52 | Kolie | I do not write wau. |
| 16:33.00 | netcurse | or just a troll |
| 16:33.02 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: yes I am |
| 16:33.04 | netcurse | ok |
| 16:33.08 | netcurse | you'll get free premium anyway |
| 16:33.16 | netcurse | so you are getting 2 upgrades. |
| 16:33.47 | netcurse | a better client(when you are premium), and you will earn points that will give you at least free game cards, and up to a console depending of your addon sucess. |
| 16:34.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ...I lol'd at what you just tried and you missunderstood what I'm saying. I would get the premium updater anyway because the service of the hosting is worth it |
| 16:34.02 | netcurse | and a much better project management system. |
| 16:34.10 | Kolie | Dont you make a simple combat log that isnt. |
| 16:34.11 | sag_ich_nicht | but I'm saying that it won't work in general |
| 16:34.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: but I already did |
| 16:34.28 | netcurse | so it worth it for you but it won't work? |
| 16:34.32 | netcurse | :) |
| 16:34.35 | sag_ich_nicht | ~project NotSimpleCombatLog |
| 16:34.43 | sag_ich_nicht | oh who killed that |
| 16:34.45 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 16:34.52 | sag_ich_nicht | .project NotSimpleCombatLog |
| 16:34.53 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 16:34.58 | sag_ich_nicht | screw you, syntax |
| 16:35.05 | netcurse | sag, you know that we have a user client base of 900k people |
| 16:35.10 | netcurse | bewteen the CC and the WAU |
| 16:35.49 | netcurse | it's not like we starting from nothing |
| 16:36.29 | netcurse | anyway maybe we'll fail, and we'll have to change the model |
| 16:36.31 | netcurse | who knows. |
| 16:37.12 | Kolie | netcurse: apparently sag_ich_nicht knows. |
| 16:37.14 | sag_ich_nicht | i've seen this before, imho you WILL get quite a few users, but you won't get what you expect :) |
| 16:37.24 | netcurse | what do we expect? |
| 16:37.30 | netcurse | i don't know myself. |
| 16:37.35 | sag_ich_nicht | more users than you'll get :P |
| 16:37.41 | Kolie | We dont expect a 100% conversion, not even close. |
| 16:37.58 | sag_ich_nicht | I know. |
| 16:38.05 | netcurse | i would be happy if the revennues can pay for the staff, the server costs, and the author reward program. |
| 16:38.20 | netcurse | my goal is not higher than that ; ) |
| 16:38.22 | Kolie | authors rewards are sex. |
| 16:40.24 | netcurse | i m signing monday the hardware for the new curse 3.0 patch ready |
| 16:40.36 | netcurse | we are going up to 22 huge servers |
| 16:41.27 | netcurse | most of them are double xeon quad cores 2.5 G, between 8 to 32 giga of ram |
| 16:41.48 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.intodns.com/curseforge.com still waiting for you to fix that :P |
| 16:42.00 | sag_ich_nicht | (what I'm saying is: get your own DNS servers :P) |
| 16:42.20 | nevcairiel | Kolie: we get sex as a reward? how does that work out? |
| 16:42.28 | netcurse | only for germans |
| 16:42.31 | netcurse | as it's legal there |
| 16:42.33 | nevcairiel | (Also, yay for rewarding library authors, Ace3 ftw) |
| 16:42.38 | nevcairiel | netcurse: well good for me =P |
| 16:42.41 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: it's legal for austrians as well |
| 16:42.48 | netcurse | that's true |
| 16:43.00 | Kolie | meh netcurse i have better in my apartment |
| 16:43.15 | netcurse | when i started curse.com, i went 1 year in Heidelberg to live very cheaply |
| 16:43.19 | netcurse | with the team |
| 16:43.27 | netcurse | i love germany :) |
| 16:43.35 | netcurse | my mother is swiss german |
| 16:44.41 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: so I'll get a visit from my GF as reward from the points? :P |
| 16:44.51 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: nice page, where'd you dig that up |
| 16:44.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: from your mom |
| 16:45.12 | sag_ich_nicht | or google |
| 16:45.17 | Gnarfoz | my mom will give you a visit as a reward, but she doesn't know shit about DNS :p |
| 16:45.26 | netcurse | ol |
| 16:45.31 | sag_ich_nicht | after dnsstuff.com became pay to use |
| 16:46.39 | Kolie | we said author rewards not punishment Gnarfoz |
| 16:46.49 | Gnarfoz | touché |
| 16:46.51 | sag_ich_nicht | I miss my GF 8( |
| 16:47.09 | Gnarfoz | I miss mine, too |
| 16:47.11 | netcurse | looks like she doesn't miss you |
| 16:47.14 | netcurse | =P |
| 16:47.20 | Gnarfoz | might be because there isn't one atm |
| 16:47.21 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 16:47.33 | sag_ich_nicht | sigh |
| 16:47.36 | DHS | [wow] mynpc: 03xamdnarg * r25 MyNPC.toc: Xam - Author precision |
| 16:47.37 | sag_ich_nicht | she's in germany |
| 16:47.38 | sag_ich_nicht | -_- |
| 16:47.43 | netcurse | where are you at sag? |
| 16:47.46 | sag_ich_nicht | vienna |
| 16:47.47 | sag_ich_nicht | >.> |
| 16:47.49 | netcurse | ah |
| 16:47.56 | netcurse | cool |
| 16:48.03 | sag_ich_nicht | not cool |
| 16:48.10 | sag_ich_nicht | nearly no bloody jobs here atm |
| 16:49.09 | sag_ich_nicht | specially when you have little work experience, i've already considered applying for the junior admin position at blizz EU multiple times, but I have france, so that's a no go :P |
| 16:49.11 | netcurse | http://my.curse.com/users/nerdylatina/ wtf ? |
| 16:49.32 | Kolie | hell |
| 16:49.32 | Kolie | yea |
| 16:49.53 | Kolie | lawl |
| 16:49.56 | sag_ich_nicht | and it's getting more and more of a problem |
| 16:50.02 | netcurse | she wants to be my friend |
| 16:50.08 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm moving to a new apartment in 2 months |
| 16:50.13 | sag_ich_nicht | and without a job that's kind of a problem |
| 16:50.27 | netcurse | why france is a no go? |
| 16:50.32 | sag_ich_nicht | because I hate france |
| 16:50.33 | sag_ich_nicht | duh |
| 16:50.40 | netcurse | i hate you also |
| 16:50.43 | netcurse | ;( |
| 16:50.48 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 16:50.50 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 16:50.55 | netcurse | france is nice |
| 16:50.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 16:51.00 | sag_ich_nicht | france is nice |
| 16:51.18 | sag_ich_nicht | the french aren't, except for very few |
| 16:51.23 | netcurse | .. |
| 16:51.28 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:51.29 | netcurse | that's not true. |
| 16:51.34 | netcurse | It's just harder to make friends |
| 16:51.38 | netcurse | because of the culture |
| 16:51.40 | sag_ich_nicht | it is if you're foreign |
| 16:51.40 | sag_ich_nicht | I know |
| 16:51.57 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm intentionally making over-the-top statements |
| 16:51.59 | netcurse | but if you work at blizz, they have plenty of german people |
| 16:52.05 | sag_ich_nicht | I know |
| 16:55.25 | sag_ich_nicht | I don't like leaving vienna either :P |
| 16:56.08 | netcurse | hehe |
| 16:56.31 | netcurse | yet you complain |
| 16:56.33 | netcurse | :) |
| 16:56.35 | sag_ich_nicht | of course I complain |
| 16:56.38 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm from vienna! |
| 16:56.48 | netcurse | you are victim of the economy |
| 16:57.17 | netcurse | move to the US |
| 16:57.20 | netcurse | full employement |
| 16:57.25 | netcurse | in the tech area |
| 16:57.46 | nevcairiel | and full fail in all other sections :) |
| 16:58.02 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god go away |
| 16:58.08 | netcurse | nevcairiel and his anti US |
| 16:58.10 | netcurse | :) |
| 16:58.11 | sag_ich_nicht | do not want shitty health care and social security |
| 16:58.40 | netcurse | california and most states force companies to pay for that. |
| 16:58.50 | netcurse | so until you work you are fine |
| 16:59.01 | Kolie | my health care is fine thank you |
| 16:59.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Kolie: that's what you think |
| 16:59.12 | sag_ich_nicht | :) |
| 16:59.18 | nevcairiel | Obviously people that always lived in the US dont realize what they miss out on |
| 16:59.26 | sag_ich_nicht | correct |
| 16:59.33 | netcurse | i ve lived in france and in the US |
| 16:59.34 | nevcairiel | come to germany, we're welfare contry #1 |
| 16:59.34 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:59.38 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 16:59.39 | sag_ich_nicht | you're not |
| 16:59.39 | nevcairiel | *country |
| 16:59.47 | nevcairiel | well close to 1 anyway =P |
| 16:59.51 | Kolie | Thats what I think? Ofcourse it is, I receive good healthcare, as do my family member. |
| 17:00.01 | netcurse | because Kolie work |
| 17:00.05 | netcurse | if you don't work ys |
| 17:00.06 | netcurse | yes |
| 17:00.07 | Kolie | My gf has an operation tmw. |
| 17:00.11 | netcurse | you are fucked in the US |
| 17:00.12 | netcurse | :) |
| 17:00.23 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: Hartz IV proves that you aren't a welfare country at all :P |
| 17:00.30 | netcurse | in California it's not too bad, it's a social state |
| 17:00.41 | sag_ich_nicht | there are some people like ckknight that WANT a system like the US has, except they want it even more "hardcore" |
| 17:00.44 | sag_ich_nicht | and that's fine to |
| 17:00.46 | sag_ich_nicht | *too |
| 17:00.50 | nevcairiel | Wait, wasnt it in the US, they like ask you if you have insurance before even treating you in a hospital?^^ |
| 17:00.52 | sag_ich_nicht | but only if it's COMPLETELY that way |
| 17:01.07 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: depends on what they treat you for |
| 17:01.30 | sag_ich_nicht | if it's life threatning and requires immediate action they'll act immediately |
| 17:01.37 | sag_ich_nicht | but don't you dare get into a "working" state |
| 17:01.42 | sag_ich_nicht | second you do that you get kicked out |
| 17:03.19 | netcurse | depends |
| 17:03.25 | sag_ich_nicht | bullet from a robbery that hit you while you were in the story buying your stuff raped your facial bones? they'll fix it up with the cheapest and thus ugliest methods available if you don't have insurance |
| 17:03.29 | netcurse | the thing in the US lots of hospitals are privately owned |
| 17:03.46 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: a county will do the same thing |
| 17:04.52 | netcurse | i know that if you have a heart attack they have to keep you |
| 17:04.54 | netcurse | :P |
| 17:05.25 | netcurse | i finnaly got my visa anyway now |
| 17:05.28 | netcurse | i m hear to stay |
| 17:05.32 | sag_ich_nicht | in germany or austria they'll fix your damn face properly so it looks close to what it was before if it was caused by that robbery, e.g. |
| 17:05.36 | sag_ich_nicht | *here to stay |
| 17:05.36 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 17:05.41 | netcurse | here yes |
| 17:05.41 | netcurse | :) |
| 17:05.55 | Kolie | if you arent having a heart attack why are you in the hosbital. |
| 17:05.56 | DHS | [wow] data-tools: 03kagaro 04v0.1 * r11 : Tagging for beta |
| 17:06.27 | sag_ich_nicht | where is my bloody |
| 17:06.37 | sag_ich_nicht | oh there |
| 17:06.42 | sag_ich_nicht | opens his usenet folder |
| 17:07.15 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: you know that Günter Wallraff writes for Die Zeit again? |
| 17:07.19 | DHS | [wow] raidassass: 03graemef * r4 / (3 files in 1 directory): Attempt to use LibGuild-1.0 to get ranks. |
| 17:08.05 | *** join/#curseforge kagaro (n=kagaro@cpe-065-190-128-061.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 17:08.22 | nevcairiel | didnt he usually write shit for Bild? |
| 17:08.28 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 17:08.29 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 17:08.32 | sag_ich_nicht | never |
| 17:08.44 | sag_ich_nicht | he went into Bild undercover |
| 17:08.49 | sag_ich_nicht | and raped their sorry ass afterwards |
| 17:09.12 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: http://images.zeit.de/text/2008/19/Wallraff-19 you might wanna read that :P |
| 17:09.31 | sag_ich_nicht | no wait |
| 17:09.33 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.zeit.de/2008/19/Wallraff-19 |
| 17:09.33 | sag_ich_nicht | that |
| 17:10.43 | netcurse | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY , amerika@ rammstein |
| 17:11.06 | netcurse | i always liked the clip :) |
| 17:11.43 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
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| 17:38.22 | Vangual | is that psyn protocol used anywhere outside curse also? |
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| 19:14.54 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche 04v1.0-Beta2 * r17 : Tagging as v1.0-Beta2. |
| 19:19.21 | Kaelten | Vangual: It was originally developed by AudinLothar(sp) |
| 19:19.30 | Kaelten | We've extended it some. |
| 19:21.23 | Vangual | is there any rfc or docs anywhere? my google attempts yielded only very few useful results |
| 19:32.14 | Kaelten | no not yet. |
| 19:42.58 | sylvanaar | what was |
| 19:45.14 | Kaelten | sylvanaar: the psyn format |
| 19:45.57 | sylvanaar | Kaelten ah |
| 19:52.49 | DHS | [wow] autotext: 03quaiche * r18 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added project icon and excluded in pkgmeta |
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| 20:47.26 | Jim-Bim | does someone know the highest number of GetCurrentMapZone for the new continent? |
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| 21:04.10 | charon | waves |
| 21:22.19 | DHS | [wow] cheesesls: 03dieck * r18 CheeseSLS/events.lua: removed debug output |
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| 21:37.51 | [Endeavour] | Just read about the WAU changes and i was wondering if Curse actually has a svn like wowace? i mean, uploading via Turtoise svn was really cool |
| 21:50.30 | netcurse | hello Endevour |
| 21:50.41 | netcurse | did you try curseforge.com ? |
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| 23:26.09 | Ackis | i am so sunburnt :( |
| 23:57.48 | Aiiane | having no documentation for libbars is frustrating :| |