IRC log for #curseforge on 20080926

00:02.24HjalteKolie: The problem is, that all the addons I haven't manually updated, says "Installed Version: 09/25/2008" and "Latest Version: 09/25/2008".
00:02.42KolieThe reason is, you chose to uhh...
00:02.47KolieNot install the latest from curse.com
00:02.54KolieWe set the date to today, you only get updates in the future.
00:03.09KolieWe assume yours is the latest basically.
00:03.20Koliethe "latest" may be a year old copy of cruft.
00:03.28KolieYou did the right thing :)
00:03.39HjalteKolie: So when will it check my addons - tommorow?
00:03.45KolieIt checks every hour actually.
00:03.54KolieAnd it compares the date you have, with the date of the addon from the feed
00:04.07Kolieif date you installed > date of last release, then it will update/flag it.
00:04.20HjalteI see.
00:04.29KolieSo basically, you have the same addons you always did, but if a new one shows up on curse, then you get that one when its out.
00:06.01HjalteI'm just used to updaters that "update" all addons to begin with, so that it knows the version of each addon. I do see however, that this takes up a lot of bandwith.
00:06.42HjalteWill people still be able to use programs like java wow updater with the new curse and wowace?
00:07.37YssarilHjalte: prorbably not unless they get updated since the way addons are stored gets changed
00:08.18ckknightHjalte: well, files.wowace.com is going away
00:09.04netcursethe CC will be availiable on windows and mac
00:10.55Yssarilbtw ckknight did you ever figure out why my .pkgmeta didnt work? the package-as: part to be exact
00:11.04ckknightdamn
00:11.08ckknightnever looked into that, guy
00:11.09ckknightsorry
00:11.28ckknightwhat project?
00:11.31Yssarilckknight: np you guys have alot on your mind i guess
00:11.44ckknightcurrently I'm just reading SQLAlchemy docs
00:11.55ckknightI finished my weekly task list
00:11.56ckknight:-P
00:12.08Yssarilhttp://beta.wowace.com/projects/libshare-10/
00:12.17ckknightdocs are important though, we're likely gonna switch to SQLAlchemy after the wowace transition
00:24.57ckknightYssaril: all fixed.
00:27.30Yssarilckknight: was it on my end?
00:27.35ckknightnope, all me
00:27.43ckknightit was actually cause you had a . in the name
00:27.51ckknightand the packager thought it was a bad name
00:28.01Yssarilahh
00:28.25Yssarilckknight: add some sort of packager log so we can check it for errors?
00:28.32ckknightalready exists
00:28.37ckknightwe're gonna make it public after wowace launch
00:28.46Yssarila cool
00:28.56ckknightand actually, that issue didn't say anything in the log or anything like that
00:29.21ckknightit runs purify_package_as on the data, if it's okay, it lets it pass through, otherwise it goes back to the short name
00:29.27Yssarilalso when adding a tag its kinda confusing if you actually did something maybe some sort of qeued tag's page for your projects?
00:29.55ckknightyou'll get the public packager log, just keep your kilt on
00:30.13Yssarilhehe :)
00:30.44Yssarilnow i just need someone to make my code all pretty and not so convoluted :)
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00:41.50Repo[WAR] 10charview: 03Flisher * r5 / (7 files in 1 directory):
00:41.51RepoThe Frame Now autoshow, first XML debug and SavedVariable Debug test
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01:21.10krypsIs Zyuu around?
01:23.27krypsIS anyone around?
01:23.32krypsBad timing?
01:28.38ckknightwaves at kryps
01:28.50krypsHey
01:28.53ckknightpatience is a virtue, not everyone's looking at their IRC screens
01:29.35Repo[WAR] 10alertfilter: 03Aiiane * r17 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added tag 1.1.3 for changeset 291404ca8d0d
01:29.36RepoFixed a small bug.
01:30.17ckknightwhat's up, kryps?
01:30.44krypsckknight, true that.  my bad.  this would be the first time I suddenly decided to assume that everyone here may have been based out of UK, which would mean you'd all be sleeping right now.  :)
01:31.02ckknightI'm in America
01:31.03ckknightCST
01:31.10ckknightjust got home, watching The Wire
01:31.28krypsyeah, my bad.  I was used to other scenes I'm involved in.  ;)   didn't think twice about the curse community.
01:31.57krypserr, used to = thinking of
01:32.07ckknightwell, curse was originally based in France
01:32.12ckknightthen it moved to San Francisco
01:32.23ckknightbut our dev team is in Alabama (where I am) now
01:32.23krypsahh
01:32.47krypscurseforge is thee area for all of curse development right?  
01:33.19ckknightwell, curseforge is a place for addon authors and power users to hang out, addon authors handle all addon management through curseforge
01:33.35ckknightnormal users (98% of people) should just keep on using curse
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01:34.03krypsyeah, for all games on curse, right?  including wow?
01:34.11krypsthis isn't just an AoC division, right?
01:34.24krypsit's for all divisions, correct?
01:34.29ckknightyep, everything
01:34.34krypscool
01:34.35ckknightaoc.curseforge.com is the aoc part
01:34.39krypsyup
01:35.45krypscurseforge is linked to curse, right?
01:36.01ckknightsure is
01:36.13ckknightevery 5 minutes, curse pings curseforge, updates anything that changed
01:36.36krypsyeah, that's what I mean.  it's a different type of link (relationship)
01:36.46ckknightyea
01:36.51ckknightit's two separate databases
01:37.01ckknightcurse acts kind of as an aggregator
01:37.07krypsi created an account, and it seemed to create me an account on both sites.  curseforge.com, and a seperate account on curse.com with the same name 'kryps'
01:37.22ckknightalso wowdb and wardb
01:37.29ckknightand I think a few other sites
01:37.32ckknightwe have a linked auth system
01:37.33krypswow
01:37.41ckknightit's pretty snazzy
01:37.56krypsim so happy to be talking to ops of curse.  curse is thee mod site for WoW, and other games.
01:38.11krypshappy you have an irc, and active channel
01:38.15kryps+server
01:38.23ckknightI'm better known as an addon author
01:38.29ckknightme working at curse is merely incidental
01:38.57krypshaha
01:39.11krypsi c wut u did thar  ;)
01:39.23krypsdon't worry, i dont want to bother you with management questions or requests  :)
01:39.44ckknightshrugs
01:39.46ckknightit's all good
01:39.49krypsim just glad there is a curse irc server
01:40.13krypswhat game you mod for
01:40.17kryps?
01:40.32ckknightWoW
01:40.37ckknightI might start for WAR soon
01:40.44krypsaww
01:40.53ckknightwhat?
01:41.01Repo[WAR] 10squared: 03Aiiane * r31 / (7 files in 1 directory): Added tag 1.5 for changeset ceb33bc0cd04
01:41.02krypsdon't leave WoW :(
01:41.03RepoADDED: Range/LOS blacklist and associated fading of unit boxes. In order for range fading to do anything, you must set a friendly-targeted ability for Squared to check - set option "rangefading-ability" to the ability name or id#. By default, fading is updated every frame, if for some reason this causes performance issues for your system, try setting option "rangefading-freq" to how often you want it to update (in seconds - 0.2 might be a good value to tr
01:41.28ckknightkryps: who said anything about leaving?
01:41.36krypsheh
01:42.00krypsnice multitasking
01:42.04krypscool then
01:42.11krypswhat mods have you made for woW?
01:42.32ckknightFuBar, Cartographer, PitBull, Parrot, CowTip, Chinchilla, most of Ace2, a whole bunch of libraries
01:42.51krypswtf
01:43.08ckknightwhat?
01:43.09krypsI'm actually talking to the author of fubar, cartographer, pitbull, and ace2?
01:43.24ckknightsure am
01:43.28krypscan someone pinch me please
01:43.34ckknight~whaleslap kryps
01:43.35purlACTION beats kryps upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
01:43.42krypslol
01:44.04krypsholy **** man
01:44.12krypsbows before ckknight.
01:44.23ckknightyep.
01:45.57ckknightyou play WAR yet?
01:46.14krypsI actually am a designer/editor by heart.  I like to make things, modify things, especially for games.  I used to make levels for several first-person shooters, and script configs for them, etc.  knew all the console commands off by heart.  
01:46.26krypsI haven't played WAR yet, and there is a reason for that.
01:46.35ckknightwhy's that?
01:47.03ckknightI'm definitely not a designer, just a developer. My UIs are minimalistic at best
01:48.01krypsyes, I mean developer/editor ;)
01:48.04krypsmy life has been a little strange.  you see, I used to play quake.  WoW is my first mmorpg.  but back in '96 up to '03, I was playing pro quake.  anyways, quake was the game I did all my editings with.  levels, configs, etc.  when I started playing WoW, I loved it.  but for some reason, never got into the scripting/api language for it.  maybe it was laziness.  
01:48.56krypsanyways, for some reason I went to play AoC.  I think at the time, I was pissed off that I couldn't find good players in WoW.  anyways, couple weeks ago by, and for some reason I find myself making a UI mod for AoC.  maybe it was because it was easy when I briefly looked into it -- just editing values of .xml files, and changing graphics.  
01:49.08krypsthen I realized, nothing can compete with WoW.  so I went back to WoW now
01:49.09ckknightalright
01:49.15ckknightI disagree
01:49.24ckknightWAR's the most polished game I've seen since WoW
01:49.24krypsnow I'm wondering if I want to go through all that again with something like WAR
01:49.34ckknightmuch better than AoC was at launch
01:50.03krypsbut you see, WoW has already been through 3 years of gameplay and player experience.  look at all the mods that have been flowing through now these days.  will WAR have anything?  does WAR even provide an API to mod with?  unlike AoC
01:50.11krypsoh
01:50.13krypsinteresting
01:50.30krypsi meant, developer experience
01:50.33kryps3 years
01:50.35krypsbtw
01:50.44ckknightWAR has a much better API than AoC
01:51.03ckknightWoW has a more polished API than WAR, definitely, no doubts there
01:51.15krypsat least it provides an API.  but will it be as solid and as popular as the WoW realm?
01:51.24krypsahh
01:51.32krypswill WAR be as solid and popular as WoW?
01:51.34krypsin general
01:51.53krypsI dunno, I think I'm looking to play 'thee' mmorpg, and not several mmorpgs
01:51.59ckknightof course it won't be as popular
01:52.03krypswouldn't you want to stick with 'one' main game?
01:52.11ckknightbut it'll probably keep 1+ mil subs stable
01:52.24ckknightno. I played spore last week, it's quite fun
01:52.30ckknightwhy be dull and just do one thing?
01:53.12krypswell, the more you play it, the better you get.  we all want to be the best at what we do.  if you play a whole bunch of games, then your time/practice/experience is then split amongst all those games, and you're only half as good in all games, as opposed to be really good in one game
01:54.13krypsI speak from experience from my 10 year streak of pro gaming in Quake.  at least, that's just the way I feel I guess.
01:57.55ckknightI don't really do much in the way of FPSes
01:58.05ckknightthe last one I played seriously was America's Army
01:58.10krypsmaybe I'm wrong.  maybe I can achieve my goal of beating the game I play by having enough time to play two games.
01:58.27ckknighthow do you beat an MMO?
01:58.38krypsclear all dungeons
01:58.51ckknightyou do realize it's just a big timesink, right?
01:58.59ckknightmaximization of fun is the only real thing you should strive for
01:59.08ckknighteverything else is pretty pointless all-in-all
01:59.10ckknightin my opinion
01:59.31ckknightI mean, what is the point of life? just clearing all dungeons?
01:59.35krypshmm, strong opinion.  i have a different feeling about the timesink part.
01:59.53ckknightoh?
02:00.09krypshmm, now that I think about it, you're right, but
02:00.26krypshmm, my mind went blank
02:01.18krypsokay, fun for me would really be to beat the last dungeon of the game.  i didn't mean to say clear 'all' dungeons
02:01.32ckknightlast dungeon? they keep making more so that you keep playing
02:03.10krypsokay, true that.  you're right, im on the same page with you..  i've been through this before in my head -- this was one of the things that frustrated me with WoW
02:03.42ckknightWAR's fun and new, and its RvR system is pretty sweet
02:03.48ckknightif you like doing that kind of thing
02:03.51krypsRaid vs Raid?
02:04.02ckknightrealm vs realm, it's how they call PvP
02:04.07ckknightour whole office is playing, so it's pretty sweet
02:04.25krypshow did you get your whole offife to play?  that's impossible
02:04.26ckknightthis is my char: http://www.wardb.com/profile.aspx?id=26316
02:04.48ckknightthere's 6 people in our office, we all are curse developers, thus making us interested in MMOs
02:04.58ckknightplaying an MMO together is a way to build team spirit
02:05.03ckknightalso, it's fun
02:05.32krypswell damn rights, but thats pretty rare to get an office job where all 6 of you are into MMOs
02:05.45krypsdamn, i wish the guys at my office were.  they're all my age and everything.  bah
02:05.59ckknightpeople in our office are 21-30
02:06.03ckknighthow old are you?
02:06.59kryps26
02:07.04ckknightalright
02:07.11ckknightI'm 21
02:08.13krypspardon my appearance in this channel so far.  doesn't seem like 26, but im really exciting because 1: curse has irc, 2: irc is active, 3: talking to op, and 4: op is author of several prime mods for WoW
02:08.21krypsexciting = excited
02:09.21ckknightit's all good, don't sweat it
02:09.51krypsanyways, if I had local friends that played WoW, I would've been at the end already, then I could go idle for a bit on WoW and play WAR.  anyways, after hearing what you said, I think I'll give WAR a shot regardless.
02:10.15ckknightit's a cool game, I need a better graphics card in my comp, though
02:10.20ckknightmy work comp gets okay FPS
02:10.23krypswhat do you ahve currently?
02:10.25krypshave*
02:10.32ckknightmy laptop is a 1-year-old MacBook Pro
02:10.38ckknightgraphics is the bottleneck
02:10.44ckknightI have a 128 MiB GeForce
02:11.06krypsdo you know off hand if an 8800 gt will do the job?
02:11.09ckknightthe work comp which has less RAM, less CPU, and 258 MiB GeForce runs at 35 fps, whereas my laptop runs at 5 fps
02:11.16ckknight256*
02:11.25ckknightkryps: how much memory does that one have?
02:11.31ckknightthe answer is probably
02:11.52kryps512mb ddr3
02:12.02ckknightyou'll be more than fine
02:12.10ckknighthow much RAM you got in your machine?
02:12.17kryps4gb
02:12.48ckknightyea, I don't see any reason you'd have an issue
02:13.32krypscool
02:14.15ckknightif you really want excitement, btw, you should ping netcurse
02:14.39krypshmm, I'm going to have to figure out where to find time to get into WoW modding (because of a sudden inspiration), and play WoW, and play WAR.  :)
02:15.06ckknight*thumbs up*
02:15.13kryps[20:14] [netcurse PING reply]: 0secs
02:15.31ckknightI mean talk to him in the channel
02:15.39ckknighthe's the CEO, btw
02:15.54ckknightFrench, though, so take that into consideration
02:16.00krypssuper cool
02:16.13krypsahh, thanks for the French NOTE.  that's good to know, actually.
02:16.29ckknightlol
02:18.27krypshow do you find the time?  i work full time just like you -- when I get home, I only have like 4 hours left of an evening, where some of that is used up for making dinner, etc.  
02:19.56ckknightI neglect my addons.
02:20.03ckknightalso, we're releasing a new curse.com tomorrow
02:20.14ckknightand doing the wowace transition Monday probably
02:20.21ckknightand my brother's getting married next week
02:20.22ckknightthings are busy
02:20.30ckknightthey need to legislate more hours in the day
02:20.33krypsLOL
02:20.49krypsdamn rightz you are busy.  
02:20.50ckknightwrt dinner, you should just get a live-in personal assistant
02:21.07krypsI used to say something like that too.  "we need 48 hour days!" i would yell.  heh
02:21.16netcursehey
02:21.31krypswoah
02:21.41krypsim not worthy to speak to netcurse
02:21.47netcurseshut up
02:21.48netcurse:)
02:21.51krypshaha :)
02:23.08krypsthanks for making curse.
02:23.31netcurseno skill just luck :0
02:23.37krypsturns around and mumbles to himself "nice one kryps, idiot"
02:24.14ckknight~lart kryps
02:24.14purltakes kryps to the vet for a "special" visit
02:24.33krypsI actually do web development for a living, and I can understand the skill behind programming a web application like curse, and properly making a database to handle the traffic you get, and proper hosting service for the traffic you get
02:24.52netcurse:)
02:25.00netcursewell right now curse.com is only 30% of our traffic
02:25.20ckknightkryps: what kind of web development?
02:25.39kryps(x)html, css, javascript, php, mysql, etc.
02:25.55krypsalso a graphics designer
02:26.02kryps2d, and 3d
02:26.19ckknightalright
02:26.22krypsnetcurse, oh, so curse.com isn't on a dedicated server?
02:26.29netcursewe have 22 servers :)
02:26.33ckknightwe have many servers
02:26.37krypsoh, lol
02:26.49krypsckknight, why do you ask?  :)
02:26.54ckknightjust want to know
02:26.58netcursewe host many sites
02:27.19ckknightcurseforge is done in python, current curse.com is done in python/django, new curse.com is done in .NET/Community Server
02:27.31netcursecurse.com, curseforge.com, wowace.com, wowdb.com, wardb.com, conanarmory.com, worldofrais.com, arenajunkies.com, diablofans.com
02:27.58ckknightwarhammeralliance.com
02:28.02krypsim sorry, you left python/django for .net?  hmm.
02:28.17netcursewarhammeralliance and aionsource also
02:28.18netcurse:P
02:28.31krypsnetcurse, wow
02:28.52ckknightkryps: well, the main issue is that the lead developer was pretty bad, he did a lot of nasty things and a lot of things wrong. He hacked the internal django core and such to "make things faster", which just caused horrible issues overall
02:29.21krypsahh
02:29.28netcursehttp://beta.curse.com
02:29.55ckknightcurseforge.com, although also django-based is much better architected and gets much better performance. That being said, we're slowly moving away from django to other options (SQLAlchemy, Jinja, Werkzeug, etc.)
02:30.45ckknighthere's a fun stat:
02:30.55ckknightthe entire curse stack as it stands can take 40 reqs/sec
02:30.59ckknightthis is multiple servers
02:31.08ckknighta single box for the new curse.com can take 12 reqs/sec
02:31.14ckknightgranted, we run it on 3 boxes
02:31.20ckknighterr, 120 reqs/sec
02:31.21netcurse120 req/s
02:31.30netcurse:p
02:31.34krypsnice
02:32.19ckknightso we'll be able to do almost 10x what we could, which means that we'll be able to withstand WoW 3.0, if you ask me
02:32.23Yssarilhow may reqs/sec do you guys get during patchdays?
02:32.32ckknightwhich curse hasn't been able to do for a while
02:32.45ckknightI don't know the stat, netcurse, you know?
02:33.00netcurselast patch days we peaked at nearly 1 million page views per hour
02:33.09netcurseand all the servers were overloaded
02:33.15netcursethe 2.0 i mean
02:33.31ckknight~1000000 / 3600
02:33.32purl277.777777777778
02:33.54ckknight278 reqs/sec isn't anything to scoff att
02:33.56ckknightat*
02:34.08Yssarilhmm if it can handle 120 now how could it handle 278 back then?
02:34.25netcursethe first version of the curse v3 was much lighter than right now
02:34.59Yssarilso i can expect curse to be down for patchday ?
02:35.02netcurseno
02:35.04netcursewe won't
02:35.04ckknightno, Yssaril
02:35.15ckknightif you remove login support and output cache the pages, you can get higher numbers on the current curse
02:35.24Yssarilic
02:35.40netcurseand we spent an outrageous of money on new servers
02:35.43netcurseamount*
02:36.36krypsjust tell me this, ckknight, and netcurse.  you guys plan on sticking around for a while?  as long as WoW and WAR are alive, will you be active in those areas?
02:36.38Yssarilbasically turn on a low bandwidth version for peak and then crank it up after peak again
02:37.12ckknightkryps: depends, I don't have any grand schemes to go anywhere, though
02:37.27netcursebandwitdh is not the issue, we can burst up to 2 gigs/s :)
02:37.37Yssarildamn
02:37.45netcursethe problem with curse has always been the servers overloaded
02:38.00netcursethe new curse achitecture has been built from the fround up to scale :)
02:38.45netcurseground
02:39.00netcursescalability is all about the people behind the code..
02:39.00ckknightyea, curse's issue has been the web stack, not the media stack, for the most part
02:39.05Repo[WoW] 10bagpress: 03smcn * r9 core.lua: - fix event handlers
02:39.13ckknightand we don't want to put up a low-bandwidth version, that feels like cheating
02:39.16Yssarilrofl just noticed my IRC client picked orange and black for your name coloring netcurse (same colors as curses theme)
02:39.24netcursenice :P
02:40.09krypsckknight, it sounds like I have nothing to offer you -- except maybe some graphic work.  I know that if I get in WoW modding, I may have some questions to ask anyone here(preferably you) -- only after I've utilized the manuals, reference material, and attempted it myself.
02:40.25ckknighthehe
02:40.37ckknightdon't worry so much, just do what you can
02:40.48krypstrue that.  
02:40.52krypspretty smart for 21.
02:41.15ckknightI blame the government training programs
02:41.29Yssarilkryps: may i recomend making a forum account over at wowace if nobody on IRC can help you you usually get a decent responce on the forums within 12-24 hours
02:42.49krypsckknight, yeah, but you've made good points that come from life experience in general.  your family, or the people you've socialized with in your life time.
02:42.56ckknighthehe
02:43.05krypsYssaril, yeah, definately! :)
02:43.43ckknightreading Nietzsche helps, too
02:43.48ckknightamong other philosophers
02:44.09ckknightI like optimistic nihilism
02:44.30krypshmm, interesting
02:44.38krypscool
02:46.28krypsman, 1.5 hours just went by since I joined in here.  all I wanted to do was respond to a message I had on curse.com, hehe.  
02:46.35krypswas worth every minute though, of course.
02:46.35ckknightlol
02:46.40ckknightalright then
02:46.43ckknightfeel free to come back
02:47.00krypsno no, im staying here :)
02:47.11ckknightthat's fine
02:47.13krypsi didn't think i'd find real active people here.  
02:47.20krypsusually ends up being bots/idlers
02:47.28krypsin the other scenes i've been involved in
02:47.38ckknightwe have about 3 bots here
02:47.39krypsand, author of cartographer, fubar, etc.  lol
02:47.46ckknightpurl, lua_bot, Repo
02:47.53Dashkal*beep* Unable to conprehend instruction *beep*
02:47.54netcurse#wowace #wowuidev are good channel also :)
02:48.02krypsyeah, that was #5 on my list.  more users, less bots, in curse irc.  woot
02:48.09ckknightDashkal: I'll comprehend your mom's instruction
02:48.26DashkalBut if you executed it it you'd be a smear at the base of a cliff...
02:48.33ckknightkryps: we also have #WARUIDev if you get into that :-P
02:49.33krypsahh, true that netcurse.  my bad.  this channel will be good for my curse questions.  ;)
02:51.13ckknightit's all good, and don't worry too much about staying on-topic
02:51.21ckknightconversation is better than silence
02:51.31kryps:)
02:53.41krypsso yeah, about that message I mentioned.  :)
02:53.43kryps[20:51] <purl> You have 1 messages awaiting, from: sylvanaar (botmail read)
02:53.50krypshow do I read it?
02:56.39ckknight~botmail
02:56.49ckknightwell /msg purl botmail
02:57.38krypsheh, looks like his message says "register your nick with nickserv"
02:57.38krypslol
02:57.49krypsthis must have been 2 months ago, when I stopped playing AoC
02:58.08krypsanyways, cool, thanks.
02:58.41ckknightyea, register your nick with nickserv then
02:58.47ckknight<PROTECTED>
03:01.05krypsyeah.  you see, I got this message from the website.  I then came on irc now, and couldn't join this channel without an identity.  so I registered my nick before I came here.  hehe
03:01.24ckknightah
03:02.07ckknightah, yea
03:02.12ckknightwe had a spammer earlier
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03:03.00krypsahh
03:10.13Yssarilckknight: btw when will preffered accounts go live?
03:10.29ckknightpreferred accounts?
03:10.32ckknightyou mean premium?
03:10.52Yssarilyea
03:11.08ckknightnot sure about that, actually. I know everyone's getting free premium for a little while
03:11.13ckknightand authors are keeping free premium
03:11.34ckknightand that paid premium will happen before WoW 3.0
03:11.38ckknightthat's about all I know for timing
03:12.37krypsI saw this WoW mod recently called 'Classic ThreatMeters' --- it looks like it's a mod that enables the official blizzard threat meters(that were disabled at an earlier patch).  If these are actual Blizzard threat frames, then wouldn't this be ideal to use instead of all the other ones out there, including Omen?
03:13.16ckknightwell, blizzard provides a proper Threat system with WoW 3.0
03:13.20ckknightwith proper numbers et al
03:13.28ckknightOmen will switch to that API in 3.0
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03:14.30ckknightBlizzard's only show at 70%, 90%, and then every percent thereafter
03:14.30ckknightwhereas with a custom addon, you can ping every frame and get up-to-date numbers
03:15.05krypshmm, why wouldn't Blizzard make it ping every frame then?
03:16.13krypseveryone would want up-to-date numbers
03:17.52ckknightpotential latency issues
03:17.57krypsyeah
03:18.09ckknightalso, their way of display is through floating combat text
03:19.37krypseww
03:25.33Antiarcckknight: You don't get data updates from Blizzard except at 70/9x+
03:25.43ckknightoh?
03:25.47AntiarcYeah
03:25.47ckknightI guess I was mistaken, then
03:25.51AntiarcFor saving bandwidth
03:25.59ckknightokay
03:26.09AntiarcSo even with a custom UI you'll have the same "stuttery" threat display
03:27.23ckknightI call shenanigans
03:30.35netcursekryps you are using the curse client
03:30.56krypsI am?
03:31.00netcursehttp://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.12.exe
03:31.02netcurseinstall this
03:31.21ckknightyou should say "are you", not "you are", to phrase it as a question
03:31.23netcurseand let me know if you have any issues :P
03:31.30netcurseyou are right
03:31.36netcurse:)
03:31.57netcurseit's late, my brain stop thinking
03:32.04netcurseand i start to speak french
03:32.06netcurse:{
03:34.23krypsDo I want the client to scan my computer for addons?  Is this for authors, or for gamers?
03:34.31ckknightfor users
03:34.37ckknightyea, you want it to
03:36.26krypsokay
03:36.30krypsproblem
03:37.12netcursetell us all about it
03:37.14krypsremeber I was talking about how curseforge.com and curse.com are linked.  it created my account on both sites automatically?  well, i had a problem 2 months ago where my password was not the same on both sites.  What can I do to check my password?
03:37.42netcurselog on curse.com
03:38.12netcursecurseforge and curse share the same login tho
03:40.21krypsim using the client software right now, and it's asking me to login
03:40.30netcurseyes
03:40.46netcurseyou can log in fine on curse.com ?
03:41.43krypsyes
03:41.53netcurseand you can't log in the client?
03:41.54krypsbut only because my browser's cookies
03:42.08krypsit using some password that isn't my password
03:42.15netcurse-_-
03:42.17netcursereset it
03:42.18netcurselol
03:42.24krypsi couldn't
03:42.27krypslet me try again
03:43.33Repo[WAR] 10pisssss: 03danboo * 0.2-3-gb16c60b / (2 files in 1 directory): (2 revisions total)
03:43.34Repo- aliased PISSSS.Lock and PISSSSS.Unlock to PISS.Lock and PISS.Unlock
03:43.36Repo- added ability to save a static sort method with PISSSSS.Lock() and PISSSSS.Unlock()
03:43.42Repo- update the sort header buttons after applying the current sort method and order
03:44.45Repo[WAR] 10pisssss: 03danboo 070.3 * 0.3 / (2 files in 1 directory): (5 revisions total)  (Message trimmed by 3 lines)
03:44.46Repo- aliased PISSSS.Lock and PISSSSS.Unlock to PISS.Lock and PISS.Unlock
03:44.51Repo- added ability to save a static sort method with PISSSSS.Lock() and PISSSSS.Unlock()
03:44.57Repo- update the sort header buttons after applying the current sort method and order
03:45.03Repo- added some function comments
03:50.04krypsokay, I filled in my current password and my new password, and clicked Save Changes, and I get a message "No such user and password."
03:51.11ckknightwhere you changing?
03:51.15ckknightcurse.com?
03:51.21krypshttp://my.curse.com/account/profile/password/
03:51.43krypsit doesn't like my current password i think
03:52.06krypsmy current password is supposed to be: curse424
03:52.17krypsbut i think curse.com is using a different password from my browser cookies
03:52.21ckknighthrm
03:52.29ckknightclear your cookies or use a different browser
03:52.34ckknighttry to log in then
03:52.42krypsif i clear my cookies then i won't ever be able to login again
03:52.48ckknighturg
03:52.48krypsi couldn't login from work
03:52.58krypsdidn't like password
03:53.00ckknightisn't there a "forgot password?" thing that'll email you?
03:53.07krypslet me check
03:53.37krypsgoing to log out, and log in through a different browser
03:57.45krypsLOL
03:57.52krypsworking now
03:57.56krypsi reset it
03:57.56krypsmy bad
03:58.05krypsi realized what the problem was
03:58.09krypsthe whole time i was trying to login as 'kryps
03:58.12kryps'kryps'
03:58.25krypsbecause my name is kryps.  but i didn't realize that there is 'login' and there is 'name'
03:58.32krypsmy login is kryps1
03:58.33krypslol
04:00.53krypscool, im in the client
04:01.44krypssorry about all the line breaks in my typing there, heh.
04:02.36netcurse:)
04:04.00krypsi swear i tried forgot password before and either never got the email or something.  maybe not.  i can't remember :(
04:04.10krypswell, i feel better now
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04:12.04krypsok, wait a sec
04:12.11krypsnow curse.com is calling me 'kryps1'
04:12.22krypsso I guess login and name are the same thing after all
04:12.31krypsi have two accounts?  'kryps' and 'kryps1' ?
04:19.18ckknightlol, kryps
04:31.12kryps:)
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04:53.34Repo[WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki * r194 / (5 files in 1 directory):
04:53.35RepoBrewfest Pony Keg and Goblin Gumbo Kettle really didn't need their own rules.
05:26.27krypsckknight, how's the engine for warhammer?  is it similar to wow or aoc?  do you also know if you can dismount instantly, or do you have to wait for the animation of your character getting off the mount slowly.
05:26.40ckknightdon't know
05:26.42ckknightsorry
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05:48.53Aiianeinstant dismount kryps
05:49.12kryps:)
05:57.50Repo[WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza * r68 / (6 files in 4 directories):
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05:57.51Repo- fixed bug in hooks, caused error when tab key was pressed in chateditbox.
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11:44.04ZorbaTHutthis "needs approval" system is kind of annoying :(
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15:06.05*** topic/#curseforge is Welcome to #curseforge! | Please tell us what you think we're doing wrong and/or right at http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/. | WoW Discussion: #WoWUIDev | WAR Discussion: #WARUIDev
15:30.30Repo[WAR] 10closetgoblin: 03GnomeTank * r19 ClosetGoblin.lua:
15:30.31Repo* Removed the "unique" item check as a temporary fix for issues people are having with two of the same item.
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15:37.10Repo[WAR] 10closetgoblin: 03GnomeTank 04v1.0beta6 * r20 : Tagging as v1.0beta6.
15:38.49ckknightneed advice on http://www.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/what-to-do-after-creating-a-project/
15:59.18Arrowmasterso ive been kinda MIA hows the move going?
16:00.23nevcairielcurse is still slowing everything down
16:00.30nevcairielmonday is the new date
16:00.39ckknightyep
16:00.47ckknightactually, curse has been ready
16:00.52ckknightthe curse client's slowing down curse
16:04.14nevcairielslaps Kolie around a bit with a large trout
16:04.35Kolienevcairiel?
16:04.43nevcairielyou are slowing things down
16:04.46KolieI'm not slowing down curse.
16:05.32KolieThere is one outstanding issue, and I haven't found anyone with it to test.
16:05.44KolieI thought u meant website, we are talking schedules?
16:08.26netcursekolie
16:08.27netcurseexcuses
16:08.29netcurse:)
16:15.55ckknightyes, we're talking schedules
16:16.23nevcairielKolie: if noone has the issue, there is no issue!
16:17.55Repo[WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03motd2k * r10 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added basic UI
16:18.03KolieMy boss gets th issue :)
16:18.16nevcairielso test it with him
16:18.19nevcairielproblem solved?
16:18.20nevcairiel;)
16:18.21KolieHes busy :)
16:18.31nevcairielblame it on user failure
16:20.45Kolieyea and the error is totally wack. Its %1 is not a valid Win32 application. but if you run the exe manually, magically it works.
16:20.52KolieCreateProcess for the lose.
16:22.39nevcairielmaybe it trys to run something wrong?
16:24.41KolieWell it works for a vast majority of the population.
16:25.20nevcairielmaybe the system is just fucked up
16:25.50KoliePossible.
16:25.57nevcairieldoes it always occur or just randomly?
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16:30.02KolieAlways, for select few.
16:30.42KolieI haven't talked to anyone directly except for adamar who had it.
16:30.58krypsIs there a person named Zyuu here?
16:31.15krypsI received a message from him 2 months ago.
16:31.33Repo[WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03Octane666 * r11 / (2 files in 1 directory):
16:31.34Repo- Now turns off default tell receive and send filters for all chat windows.
16:31.36Repo- Fixed .mod
16:32.00Kaeltenkryps: nope, but what can I do for you?
16:33.31krypsKaelten, well, nothing really.  Just wanted to say thanks for responding to my ticket.  I don't remember what my ticket was about, but he responded with great enthusiasm
16:33.39Kaeltenlol
16:33.44Kaelten:)
16:34.02krypsDid he used to work for curseforge?
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16:34.08Kaeltenyes
16:34.12krypsAhh
16:34.16nevcairielzyuu quit?
16:34.30nevcairieland i was wondering why he want around anymore
16:34.34Kaeltenhe's no longer working on curseforge.  
16:34.46krypsAnyone know why he no longer working on curseforge?
16:34.51ckknightyes, we know
16:35.09krypshaha, okay :)
16:36.45AckisWorkis he with curse still?
16:37.08Kaeltennetcurse: ?
16:37.16netcurseIt was too complex because he's in sweden
16:37.38netcurseWe decided to focus our operations in the US
16:37.53ckknightlousy swedes
16:37.56ckknightshakes fist
16:38.01nevcairielthat reminds me, you should really recruit some EU moderators for CF
16:38.13ckknightyea
16:38.17netcursesaid the same thing to Kaelten 1hour ago
16:38.22nevcairielapproval thingys always hang around for ever until you guys wake p
16:38.24nevcairiel*up
16:38.38Kaeltennevcairiel: aren't you an EU moderator?
16:38.40Kaelten:)
16:38.53nevcairielI soon have another page to take care of!
16:38.57Kaeltenhehe
16:39.35KaeltenBut yes, we do want to find some good people in the EU
16:39.36nevcairielbtw, how hard would it be to completly disable .zip file uploading for wowace? :D
16:39.50sbsoon = monday??? :P *hides*
16:39.58nevcairielwe hope sb
16:40.09sbnevcairiel: huh? disable zip uploading?
16:40.25nevcairieluse repositories, dont use creepy pre-built .zips
16:40.30sboh okay, upload != generation, right?
16:40.35sbor creation
16:40.36sbwhatever :)
16:40.39netcursewowace won't support manual uploading
16:40.51nevcairielthat was on my list to ask =P
16:41.49ckknightnevcairiel: actually, it's already disabled I thought
16:41.53ckknightwe will not have uploading on wowace
16:41.56ckknightno reason to start now
16:42.21Stanzillagood thing
16:42.37AckisWorkanyone know what the hell Games Day 2008 is?
16:43.27sbgames or gamers?
16:43.43AckisWorkthere's an event called Games Day 2008
16:44.21sbthere is some microsoft event called Gamers Day (according to google :p)
16:44.35nevcairielNow that i think of it, i bet Kaelten moved wowace to monday on purpose, so he doesnt have to waste his weekend with moderation work :P
16:44.45Kaeltenlol
16:44.53Kaeltenno, we're wanting to get the servers in place first
16:45.07Kaeltenno reason to have a down time on our first day up
16:45.10AckisWorkgoogle isn't helping me :(
16:45.26sbgoogles hates you!
16:45.29sb-s
16:45.50Kaeltenbut ya we also won't be allowing pack creation on wowace
16:46.01Kaeltenand the repositories default to being open rather than closed
16:46.42sbpack creation = package containing files from multiple projects?
16:46.50Kaeltensb: kinda
16:47.02Kaeltenmore like a project that is nothing but pointers to other projects
16:47.23Kaeltenits for things like guilds to go in and say "get this pack to raid"  and the like
16:47.45sbah, but curse supports those "pointers"?
16:47.55Kaeltenit will yes
16:47.56sbthat would be some really cool feature :P
16:48.00sbnice
16:48.05sberrr wait
16:48.19Kaeltenhrm?
16:48.51sbdoes that mean you can set pointers to ANY project or only to curse-tagged projects?
16:49.02Kaeltenany project on wowace or curseforge
16:49.16sbah okay, so only pack-hosting isnt possible on wowace
16:49.28sbbut its possible to use wowace projects as package contents
16:49.33sbokay... %-)
16:49.43Kaelten:)
16:49.54sband speaking of some other nice to have things... ;)
16:49.57Kaeltenthey'll be firmly segregated out from the projects as well
16:50.25Kaeltenand because of the integration with the curse client the whole thing will be easy to install and it'll help you keep it up to date
16:50.42sbsome client management would be great in that curse client... so you can manage multiple game copies with only one curse client installation
16:50.49sb(e.g. wow beta, wow live, wow ptr)
16:51.01Kaeltenhrm  that'd fall under Kolie's workload :)
16:52.21Repo[WoW] 10luggage: 03Nimbal * r28 / (3 files in 1 directory): * Added option to hide Blizzard bank frame
16:52.22Repo* Minor changes to default settings
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16:53.37Kaeltenwe're also going to be adding support for it so that you can upload SV files for it
16:53.42Kaeltenand have that sent down with it
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17:00.57Dashkaloh my... I just ran across this lil gem: http://entrian.com/goto/
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17:13.03netcursehttp://beta.curse.com/client/
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17:35.38TinyboomKolie: ping
17:49.52AckisWorkhttp://wow.curseforge.com/projects/bejeweled/
17:51.54DashkalI was wondering when it would hit curseforge
17:52.51ArrowmasterClass1.01 up now nice
17:55.32ArrowmasterClassdid they run it through luasrcdiet again?
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18:06.02GnarfozArrowmasterClass: did
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18:13.53DashkalOh wow I feel stupid... I just now clicked as to why Mecrurial abbreviates to hg *facepalms*
18:22.32sbAckis: wahh, stop it :)
18:22.55sbAckis: cant see those jewels anymore - i'm already blind :/
18:25.58Kody-Sweet, new client page is up: http://beta.curse.com/client/
18:26.01Kody-Much better than before :P
18:26.49StanzillaKody-: wtb screenshots sub-page
18:27.36KolieTinyboom?
18:28.34Tinyboomhey:) any eta on disembedded libs in CC? :)
18:29.46nevcairielnever
18:29.47nevcairiel:D
18:29.55Tinyboommeh :p
18:30.01Tinyboomme no like...
18:30.17Tinyboomargh.... bejeweled is so addictive....
18:31.43sbyup :(
18:38.04ckknighttinyboom: and now you can play in-game!
18:38.52Tinyboomwhich is even worse, i had kicked the habit i thought :p now I have to compete agains guildies :p
18:39.15DashkalIs that evil thing 3.0-ready?
18:49.35[Liquidor]Haha guys. Check this out, some guy thought engineers were THIS godly apparently: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8516/paidnamechangeengiwo1.png
18:54.25Dashkal...
18:54.29Dashkalfacepalms
18:54.41Dashkal"Faith in human intelligence"--
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19:34.29GnarfozYAY UPPERCASE LETTERS @ curse client page
19:35.07Stanzillathe page needs a screenshot section
19:35.52Kody-[12:34] <Gnarfoz> YAY UPPERCASE LETTERS @ curse client page -- this is standard practice for pages like that :P
19:36.25Kuja^mmm, will there be a linux client sometime in the future?
19:36.34Gnarfozyeah, for "you are dumb, let me shove these buzzwords into your face" pages
19:37.09StanzillaKuja^: yes but not officially supported
19:37.33Kuja^as long as it works, i don't care
19:38.31Dashkalwhat does "not officially supported" mean?  "If it don't worth I don't care"?  This isn't exactly a commercial product...
19:44.20Kody-Kuja^:  The client is built so that it can support Linux, but developing the Mac OS version takes precedence since WoW is available on Mac
19:46.44Repo[WAR] 10achievementhelper: 03Ackis * v0.27-1-ge5abe76 AchievementHelper.lua:
19:46.46RepoAdded /wah slash command, click another target (for when you're gearless) and removed the tell stuff.
19:48.19Dashkalfinally notices the current poll
19:48.22Dashkalnice
19:49.57Kaeltenbut serious where IS MY APPLE KEY!
19:50.26Shefkilol
19:50.38ShefkiMy Apple key is labeled Start on my keyboard. :(
19:50.44DashkalI wanted my SysRq :p
19:50.45Kaeltenlame
19:50.58Kaeltenhow about that little black button on the back of your powersupply
19:51.11ShefkiYeah well Razer didn't make a mac keyyboard when I bought my Tarantula
19:51.20Kaeltenheh
19:51.28KaeltenI want a nice ergonomic mac keyboard
19:51.51ShefkiI have a Tarantula because I wanted hardware remaping.
19:52.05ShefkiI plug this into lots of different things.
19:52.15ShefkiI always want caps lock remapped to Escape.
19:52.23ShefkiAnd not all OSes are very happy about that.
19:55.12Kaeltenheh the weird oddities some people have with their keymappings
19:55.13Kaeltenhehe
19:55.34Repo[WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03motd2k * r19 / (5 files in 1 directory):
19:55.35RepoAdded a button attached to the MiniMap frame (wow stylie) to toggle SpamMeNot console
19:55.45ShefkiBahh log into beta to see restart in 1:15
19:56.25ShefkiOhh well it was up long enough for me to run the unit test I wanted to check.
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19:57.07Repo[WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki * r196 / (5 files in 1 directory): Add Titanium Seal of Dalaran to TOYS.
19:58.38Repo[WAR] 10achievementhelper: 03Ackis * v0.27-2-g724f68e AchievementHelper.mod:
19:58.40RepoUpdate .mod file, this was all dry-coded so I'm not tagging yet.
20:04.04Kaeltenab: just checked and I don't think we're charging VAT
20:04.27Kaeltenbah wrong channel
20:05.58Repo[WoW] 10obituary: 03GraemeF * r18 Obituary.lua:
20:05.58RepoGot head around LibSink (I hope!) and got rid of redundant options.
20:06.24netcursehttp://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.13.exe
20:06.27netcurseplease install ths
20:06.28netcursethis
20:06.36netcurselast build before new curse goes up
20:06.39ShefkiThat would be hard.
20:06.50netcurseand everyone is premium starting today :)
20:07.06Repo[WoW] 10obituary: 03GraemeF 040.3-beta1 * r19 : Tagging as 0.3-beta1.
20:07.12ShefkiMac version?
20:07.29Dashkalhrm, majorly slow link on beta.curse.com: http://beta.curse.com/articles/spore-en-other/14991.aspx
20:07.37netcursemac vesion will work in a few days :)
20:07.46Stanzilla<@netcurse> and everyone is premium starting today :) < what does that mean?
20:08.05netcurseeveryone has auto updating
20:08.06Kody-Dashkal: loaded instantly for me
20:08.36DashkalI just restarted it and it still won't load, but other pages will (My profile, for example)
20:08.45Kody-Stanzilla:  To explain a bit more, everyone who uses the client will have access to a trial version of Premium until October 6th
20:08.59Stanzillaah, ok
20:09.04Dashkalhrm, I see my curseforge avatar doesn't share with beta.curse.com.  Intentional?  (Not exactly a big deal for me to upload it again)
20:09.47Kody-Dashkal:  Yeah, those profiles are unique
20:09.47ckknightDashkal: sadly
20:09.47DashkalSome things did share (Curseforge drew from my original curse one)
20:10.28Dashkalthere we go, anti-spore loaded this time
20:10.31Dashkalmust be a glitch *shrugs*
20:11.09Kody-Could have been the ad network
20:11.50Repo[WoW] 10bagpress: 03smcn 04v2.1 * r10 : Tagging as v2.1.
20:14.40DashkalThere we go, all setup.
20:20.56Repo[WoW] 10data-tools: 03kagaro * r44 / (4 files in 1 directory):
20:20.57RepoReworked internals of the parser core, should not properly handle everything and much easier to read.
20:22.12netcurseanyone having issue with http://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.13.exe
20:23.30sbnetcurse: no problems here...
20:24.25Tinyboomnone other than that sometimes the cc-links kill my iexplore :p memo to self: set ff as standard dammit...
20:25.22kagaronetcurse: im waiting for the mac client, then ill report back any bugs i find
20:28.16Kody-TC: Thanks, looks like that's due to us not having the "About" page on the new Curse yet.  I'll add that to known issues/file a ticket so we get that created
20:29.36Kaeltennetcurse: mac goes huh?
20:32.04netcurseJustin comitted into having an open beta client
20:32.07netcursefor mac
20:32.09netcursewithin 10 days
20:32.52sbmhhhm
20:33.04sbdo you want to keep your client "closed"?
20:33.10sbor is there going to be some open client api?
20:33.43sbto allow others to create their own updater client
20:33.47netcurseIt will be closed for now, this decision might change depending how things are going.
20:35.12netcurseWe hope to be able to bring a quality PC and mac client for 99% of the users
20:35.48sbclosed + enforcing the use of your client or closed + tolerating reverse engineered protocols and writing/using own clients? ;)
20:36.03sb(no, i dont plan to.. but i think others will :p)
20:36.42netcursewe don't want people to build clients that will give premium features for free and remove the ads
20:36.49netcursewe might tolerate some things :)
20:37.19AckisWorklike me!
20:37.21netcursewe don't want the WAU situation to happen
20:37.25netcurseagain
20:37.41sbWAU situation?
20:37.50Dashkalnetcurse: Can you expose the feeds only to premium users?
20:37.54sbmhhhh okay, you got a point.. download limit would work server-side, but ads... yes.. that sucks :)
20:38.16sbDashkal: oh... i like that idea :o
20:39.03netcursethat could work daskhal, i need to discuss this more with the dev team
20:39.05Stanzillanetcurse: will there be a curse client "lite" that only does addon updating?
20:39.28netcursethe curse client only update your stuff right now, the new module is very basic and don t even see it TBH :)
20:39.38sbnetcurse: that would be great, and would allow premium users to write their own update scripts / applications and such
20:39.47Dashkalnetcurse: It's basically what I'm waiting for.  I'm not keen on the curse client itself (no fault on curse's part, I just dislike closed source updaters) so I'm happy to do it myself.  Just need access :p
20:39.56StanzillaI meant without the datamining etc^^
20:40.06sband since they are already premium you dont have to care about ads/download limitations/....
20:40.08nevcairielif by "updates your stuff" you also mean your char profile and your contributions to wowdb .... :P
20:40.15Stanzillayes
20:40.19Stanzillathats what I dont want :P
20:41.37Kody-I doubt we'll ever remove that from the client for any form of "client lite" version
20:41.56Dashkalall the more reason why I want to just do it myself...
20:42.12ShefkiNo offense but I won't run an updater that includes data mining.
20:42.13nevcairielexpose feeds for premium users, and i'll beat Dashkal to a client =P
20:42.17ShefkiYou want ads to support it great.
20:42.32ShefkiBut I have no interest in updating my profile or feeding your other website with data.
20:42.53Kody-Shefki:  You can easily disable that on the WoW side of things
20:42.54sbmhh.. isnt datamining against blizz tos?
20:43.03Shefkisb: Sorta
20:43.15Dashkalsb: technically, but you'll note that wowhead/wowdb/etc are official fansites.
20:43.34ShefkiThey say no in the TOS but then tolerate it.
20:44.01KaeltenShefki: you can uninstall the profilers without issue
20:44.26ShefkiAs long as the updater doesn't insist on reinstalling/reenabling them I can live with that.
20:44.44nevcairieldoes it fetch the cache files like the wowhead client does? ;)
20:44.48Kody-It never touches your enabled/disabled addon settings
20:44.55Kody-nevcairiel: Yes
20:44.55KaeltenShefki: no it won't reinstall it
20:45.02nevcairielCan i turn that off too?
20:45.05Kody-That's where the data comes from aside from the profiler
20:45.41AckisWorkimo the profiler should auto install the miner with every run :D
20:45.59sbmhh - my point is that curse client users would technically violate the blizz tos just by using the update function here :o
20:46.07Shefkithreatens Ackis with bodily harm.
20:46.15nevcairielimho it should ask you if you want to help feed wowdb with data, and just give you the option not to
20:46.59sbnevcairiel: ack
20:47.00nevcairieldecoding the cache files is against the tos, and by that sb is right. you force tos breakage on every CC user
20:47.13ShefkiI'm even fine with a default opted-in state that allows you to opt-out.
20:48.20sbit doesnt matter if blizz tolerates datamining, i even think they are happy about it.. but since its in the tos, its some strange situation :)
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20:48.56Josh_Borkequestion about curseforge, can you browse project repos in a web browser?
20:49.06Kody-sb: I can agree with and understand that
20:49.09ShefkiJosh_Borke: Nope.
20:49.14Kody-Adding it to our suggestions list
20:49.17nevcairielJosh_Borke: thats planned
20:49.22Josh_Borkeok, thanks
20:49.28Josh_Borkethat's what i wanted to know :-)
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20:49.35Kaeltenwatch your fans ladies and gents
20:49.54Dashkal@ticket curseforge 347 <-- Josh_Borke
20:49.54Stanzillais shit incomming?
20:49.55RepoDashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/347-repository-browser/. 347 - Repository browser. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 2 days ago. Component: Repositories. Status: Accepted. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Kaelten. Votes: +51. Comments: 7
20:50.18AckisWorkDRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA DRAMA LAMA
20:50.20AckisWorkhi
20:50.24DashkalYou could vote for it, but at this point I imagine they got the idea :p
20:51.06AckisWorkI voted -3 for it
20:51.34DashkalThen multiplied that by negative one?
20:51.39AckisWorksince it was a dashkal ticket and I vote all of his down
20:51.47Dashkal*cackles*
20:52.08DashkalI forget what I voted down of yours.  I think it was related to some sort of curse/curseforge crossing feature
20:52.17AckisWorkforums
20:52.20ShefkiSpeaking of which, I never did get around to filing the ticket on the change I wanted to the packaging.
20:52.33DashkalI stand by that too.  Unless they're filing detailed tickets, users can GTFO
20:52.53AckisWorkeh I'm ambivilent about it
20:55.52Kaeltennew curse is alive!
20:56.08AckisWorkAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
20:56.11AckisWorkMURLOCS
20:56.11nevcairielno shit?
20:56.13AckisWorkand
20:56.14AckisWorkGNOMES
20:56.16AckisWorkAHHHHHHH
20:56.46netcursehttp://www.curse.com/
20:56.47netcurse:)
20:56.54DashkalCongratulations
20:57.56Zhinjiosexah
20:57.59Zhinjiograts
20:58.01Zhinjionice and clean
20:58.03Zhinjiotransition
20:58.16nevcairielnice and clean transition?
20:58.22nevcairielwut where
20:58.25netcursehttp://www.curse.com/
20:58.39nevcairielthey had to push that back for like 3 weeks, thats not nice and clean :P
20:58.55ShefkiNow go fix ticket 624. :P
20:59.02nevcairielalso it lost my profile picture in the process
20:59.08Dashkal@ticket curseforge 624
20:59.08RepoDashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/624-allow-alpha-builds-to-be-tagged/. 624 - Allow Alpha builds to be tagged. Reported by: Shefki. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 26 seconds ago. Component: Packager. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0
21:00.01netcurse10% cpu use
21:00.09StanzillaKaelten: http://www.staneck.de/upload/files/ad54d9-wowdbbox.png < opera
21:00.22nevcairielyou lost my profile picture
21:00.23Stanzillaand gz for launching :D
21:00.23Kaeltenwhat browser stan?
21:00.24nevcairielscrew you :(
21:00.30Kaeltennevcairiel: er you're probably wrong though
21:00.31StanzillaKaelten: read again :P
21:00.35Kaeltenah opera
21:00.38Stanzilla^^
21:00.43nevcairielwrong?
21:00.51Kaeltennevcairiel: profile portrait and avatar is different in the new site
21:00.52nevcairielI had one before, it even shows up on curseforge
21:01.05Kaeltenwe imported all the current pics as avatars
21:01.13Kaeltenwhich don't show up on your profile page for some reason
21:02.10AckisWorkcurse.com <--- KEYLOGGER ahahaha
21:02.17AckisWorkfirst
21:02.51nevcairielI clicked through all my profile/account settings and cant find my old avatar anywhere
21:02.53nevcairielso i blame you
21:02.58nevcairieland search for the img on my hdd :P
21:03.29nevcairielLast sign-in: 06-03-2008
21:03.33nevcairielthat cant really be right
21:03.40AckisWorkwill this avatar be tied to CF ones/etc?
21:07.42krypsStanzilla, opera died last year.  curseforge should only worry about ff, ie6, ie7, and safari
21:08.52ckknighthey, I use Opera
21:09.03Kody-Stanzilla:  Thanks, adding to issues list and filing a ticket
21:09.07nevcairielie6 should be dead too :P
21:09.18ckknightour numbers for ie6 are like 7% or so
21:09.23ckknightI believe
21:09.29nevcairielthats practically dead
21:09.55nevcairieltracking IE is a bitch though, they have a different user agent for different versions of .Net installed
21:09.55Stanzilla:)
21:09.58nevcairielits teh evil
21:10.10Repo[WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03Octane666 * r21 / (5 files in 2 directories): - Changed "Paused" button in to a "Clear" button
21:10.11Repo- Localized a lot of text
21:10.16Repo- Hid unused options
21:10.18ckknighthey all moderators
21:10.20Kaeltenno the avatars are not networked
21:10.24Kaeltenthey're per site
21:10.26ckknightyou'll now get emails if things are in the approval queue
21:10.33ckknightevery hour, it'll check for new things
21:10.57nevcairieloh my
21:11.03nevcairieladds a new folder
21:11.09Stanzillahaha :D
21:12.23AckisWork@ticket curseforge 623
21:12.24RepoAckisWork: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/623-notifications-for-items-in-approval-queue/. 623 - Notifications for items in approval queue. Reported by: Ackis. Type: Enhancement. Updated: 6 hours ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0
21:12.27AckisWorkvictory :D
21:12.29ckknightlol
21:12.42ckknightyou won't get emails about the same project/file twice
21:12.51ckknightand it'll be a lump email, not one per
21:12.56ckknightand it's per-site
21:13.07nevcairielso a top of 48 mails a day
21:13.08ckknightso if you are a wowace admin and a curseforge admin, you'll get two emails if they both have stuff
21:13.09nevcairieljoy
21:13.21AckisWorkcackles at nevcairiel
21:13.26ckknightnote: if there's nothing in the queue, you don't get any emails
21:13.56sbnevcairiel: so go, make wowace changes now :p
21:14.12nevcairielthey were to slow with their curse thingy
21:14.18nevcairielso hopefully monday now <.<
21:14.21ckknightsb: Monday
21:14.22sbhehe, i know :P
21:14.27ckknightwe're hopefully gonna do the server move Sunday
21:14.44sboh, you didnt do the server move before launch?
21:14.53sbor is it another server?
21:14.55sbor servers...
21:15.15ckknightwowace/curseforge is 3 servers
21:15.34ckknightnot sure how many boxes the old wowace is
21:18.39netcurse2
21:18.52ckknightThe pages load too fast, it's not like Curse at all. Is there some way to slow things down? I'm feeling nostalgic.
21:19.10Shefkilol
21:19.29Shefkilocates a bunch of zombie machines to help increase the load.
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21:21.27digmousesummons a bunch of Corehounds to pull curse.com slow
21:22.35Repo[WoW] 10test-delta: 03ckknight * r16 .hgtags: Added tag v0.1 for changeset 7e14e56749bc
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21:24.39Dashkalhttp://notalwaysright.com/this-little-piggy-went-to-hll/436
21:24.40AckisWorkso I found my avatar but it's in a weird spot... account settings
21:25.32AckisWorkand all my friends got nuked! ahhhh
21:25.55netcursesorry about that
21:27.07netcursewe are friend again now
21:27.08netcurse:)
21:27.09Dashkalnuke's Ackis' myspace and facebook
21:27.15Dashkalmmm, extra ' marks
21:29.16AckisWorklol don't have a myspace :P
21:29.52Dashkalnotes the lack of denial of facebook
21:29.56AckisWork:P
21:30.00AckisWorkhave a facebook :D
21:30.03DashkalFigured
21:30.09DashkalI don't want a link :p
21:30.12AckisWorkomg Dashkal be my friend!
21:30.17AckisWorkfacebook = fun and games dude
21:30.20DashkalAnd that would be why :p
21:30.30DashkalI have no interest in facebook
21:30.36DashkalMy life is private
21:30.53AckisWorkno the games on it
21:30.53AckisWork:P
21:30.59AckisWorkfacebook games = fun at times
21:31.01DashkalI'd rather not sell every detail to facebook's business partners
21:31.27AckisWorkyou'd still get viagra spam no matter what :P
21:32.24AckisWorkhaha my avatar is animated /victory
21:33.40DashkalI like my staff head :p
21:33.49AckisWorkbe my friend!!!
21:34.20DashkalGiven my intense dislike for facebook, why would you assume I want to use the facebook-like features of another site?
21:34.43AckisWorkus canucks need to stick together!
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21:35.24Repo[WAR] 10spam-me-not: 03Octane666 040.3-beta * r23 : Tagging as 0.3-beta.
21:35.50DashkalWe do.  We're here representing in this channel.  My god I feel sorry for the rest of the people.
21:36.01AckisWorklol
21:46.37Repo[WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Dessa * r197 localization.deDE.lua: deDE update
21:46.47Arrowmasterwtf 17 kb/s download from curseforge
21:46.58Arrowmasterwho broke it!
21:51.29Repo[WoW] 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r17 / (13 files in 3 directories): Brought current to wowace 82088 (Alpha)
21:54.40sylvanaarhey i thought we fixed the problem where the packager didnt accept hyphens in the folder name..hrm
21:57.26sylvanaarmust be more to the story
21:58.35KolieCC is launched officially.
21:58.37Kolieyay
21:58.59sylvanaaryay
21:59.13sylvanaarhave a drink on me
21:59.56Koliemy paypal is justin@everdev.com send it over :)
22:00.54netcurseslaps Kolie around a bit with a large trout
22:02.19sylvanaarhey i got a donation from someone - first one
22:02.26sylvanaarcouple weeks ago
22:02.27Koliegrats.
22:02.35KolieFirst one?
22:02.37sylvanaaryes
22:02.40KolieIm suprised your box isnt stuff.
22:03.55sylvanaarits stuffed with spam
22:04.22netcursei had a big donation buton on the original curse-gaming
22:04.40netcursei got 400 usd in 4 months, enought to pay for 1 of the 3 servers for 1 month : )
22:04.50netcurseback in the days
22:05.33ckknightnevcairiel: get an email?
22:07.24DashkalI got it
22:08.10DashkalAny way to get those email addys in bcc?
22:09.25AckisWorkspams Dashkal
22:09.46DashkalAckisWork: given that that's a private email, that would be the idea :p
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22:19.08DashkalI have strange issues.... If I accidentally select some text just before clicking a hyperlink, I actually have to hit back and deselect the text or it bugs me.
22:25.13Quaiche|workIs the CF commit-bot no longer running here?
22:25.28Dashkalpokes Repo
22:25.35Dashkal@ticket curseforge 1
22:25.49RepoDashkal: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1-cannot-report-comments/. 1 - Cannot report comments. Reported by: Dashkal. Type: Defect. Updated: 96 days ago. Status: Verified. Priority: Medium. Assignee: ckknight. Votes: 0. Comments: 1
22:26.08DashkalLagged all to hell, but alive.  Perhaps a back-end script?
22:26.15ckknightI'll restart it
22:26.17ckknightthere's some bug
22:26.31Dashkalhuh, cool.  I didn't realized I posted the first ticket
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22:27.53Dashkal@ping
22:27.54Repopong
22:28.11Dashkaloh good, you left that one alive
22:33.42DashkalAckis: after the earlier conversation I'm going to take great pleasure in clicking this link...
22:34.21ckknight?
22:36.15DashkalAckis actually went and tried to add me as a friend (I hate social networking)
22:36.30Kody-lol
22:36.41Kody-Is your friends list empty ingame too? :P
22:37.04Dashkalheh, no
22:37.11DashkalMostly out of guild alts for people, though
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22:39.37ckknightI accepted Ackis' friend request
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22:45.49Kody-I'm going to just because I'm a nice guy (and it looks creepy with just coworkers as friends)
22:46.11ckknightlol
22:46.26ckknightand if Ackis comes to work with us? creepy again.
22:48.35Kody-Yeah then only Aiiane is on there as a non-coworker
22:48.39Kody-Hmm, must find more friends!
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22:51.35Dashkal:p
22:57.49QuaicheSo if I wanted my script to access the curse PSYN files, I need to register the app and create an API Key? Is that how it works?
22:59.55ckknightthat is the eventual idea to my knowledge, we'll probably require premium for that, though
23:00.02QuaicheUnderstood
23:00.27Dashkalckknight: premium + md5 HTTP authentication for feed access...
23:00.56QuaicheHey Dashkal, did we get our XSD yet? :)
23:01.03ckknightI know that Kaelten is pushing hard for something like that
23:01.06ckknightI think it's a good idea as well
23:01.21DashkalQuaiche: not a peep on that today, but I didn't poke them.  They're kind of busy with the curse/wowace rollout :p
23:01.29Quaichehehe
23:01.42QuaicheI noticed that the "Projects" part of myCurse seems to be gone today.
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23:02.00ckknightQuaiche: yea, we're going to link to curseforge.com/home
23:02.04ckknightwhich lists your projects
23:02.12QuaicheFair enough
23:02.21QuaicheAlways wondered about the double
23:02.31QuaicheThe only reason I went there was to see comments all in one place
23:02.36QuaicheGonna make commens on cf/home?
23:03.32ckknighthrm
23:03.36ckknightfile a ticket
23:03.39ckknightmaybe we can come up with something
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23:44.41Repo[WoW] 10data-tools: 03kagaro * r46 wowdb_recipes.rb: fixed missing spellid for trainer recipes
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23:52.34krypshelp
23:53.13Shefki?
23:53.23krypsCurseClient.exe crashed during an update it was doing when I booted my comptuer
23:55.57krypsHALP
23:56.02krypsj/k ;)
23:56.28Kody-So the client didn't crash?
23:56.36krypsno but really, it did crash.  It spent about 5 minutes processing new addons.  Why?  What was is processing?
23:57.00Kody-The first time it runs it builds a list of what you have, what needs to be updated, etc.
23:57.16Kody-From then on that list is only added on to or subtracted from when you install/uninstall addons
23:57.54krypsI installed the client yesterday.  It scanned my computer for addons.  I clicked 'skip folder' every time.
23:58.24krypsSo now I'm wondering what folder it was processing, because I have 10 AddOns folders.
23:58.30krypsAddons2, Addons3, etc.
23:58.35Kody-Oh, that may be why it took so long then
23:58.58krypsoh
23:59.03Kody-Are you able to run it now even though it crashed?
23:59.23krypswell, it's still open because I haven't clicked 'Send Error Report' or 'Dont Send' yet.  :)
23:59.45krypsill click Dont Send
23:59.48krypsand run it again
23:59.49krypsone sec

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