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| 00:20.07 | Aiiane | nevcairiel: you around? |
| 00:20.52 | nevcairiel | kind of |
| 00:21.41 | nevcairiel | whats up? |
| 00:32.27 | Repo | [WAR] 10textureviewer: 03DarthVon * r17 TextureViewer.lua: |
| 00:32.29 | Repo | - Fixed bug with guidelines never returning once you enter a slice and clear it. |
| 00:41.24 | Stanzilla | server down? |
| 00:41.41 | nevcairiel | kinda slow |
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| 01:36.15 | Repo | [WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza * r89 / (6 files in 3 directories): - locale wasn't detecting enGB correctly. |
| 01:36.16 | Repo | - added options ui for history. |
| 01:36.17 | Repo | - added delete buttons to history frame. |
| 01:36.19 | Repo | - wim wasn't setting last tell target correctly. |
| 01:50.41 | Repo | [WAR] 10ace3: 03Aiiane * r12 / (4 files in 2 directories): Added tag WAR-3.0.2 for changeset f477f2fe6bd0 |
| 01:50.43 | Repo | Added AceTimer port. |
| 01:55.02 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles * r12 / (3 files in 2 directories): ShockAndAwe: - |
| 01:55.03 | Repo | alpha - nightly commit |
| 01:55.04 | Repo | Massive overhaul of the Uptime frame - fixed a couple of memory leaks - should run a lot faster and a lot less memory |
| 01:55.07 | Repo | Unable to commit DE & FR locale files due to UTF error |
| 01:55.28 | sztanpet | lolz |
| 01:56.07 | sztanpet | @project ShockAndAwe |
| 01:56.08 | Repo | sztanpet: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/shockandawe/. ShockAndAwe. Game: WoW. Leader: Pericles. Updated: 46 seconds ago |
| 01:57.01 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles * r13 ShockAndAwe.toc: ShockAndAwe: - |
| 01:57.02 | Repo | version flag change still unable to commit locale files |
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| 03:42.38 | Arrowmaster | git changelog.txt created with LF instead of CRLF..... |
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| 05:13.10 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes * r10 / (6 files in 1 directory): |
| 05:13.12 | Repo | refactor common functionality from BackpackIcon/Character into a common class Container |
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| 05:34.24 | Zhinjio | Good evening, folks. |
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| 06:01.10 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod 04Stable 0.4 * r14 : (Message trimmed by 1 line) |
| 06:01.11 | Repo | Tagging as Stable 0.4 r2. |
| 06:01.13 | Repo | *removed excessive functions to make it more line the traditional model of a lib (this includes any ByName functions as they can be easily implemented in any addon that uses zTime, and some might not use them) |
| 06:01.22 | Repo | *better debug/error handling |
| 06:01.28 | Repo | *fixed comments to be consistant |
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| 07:10.37 | Repo | [WAR] 10junkdump: 03Daegalus * r64 / (5 files in 1 directory): Added tag 1.0rc5 for changeset c39692f40008 (Message trimmed by 5 lines) |
| 07:10.38 | Repo | Added: Basic Profile System |
| 07:10.43 | Repo | Added: Support for BackpackLock, will not sell anything that is locked. |
| 07:10.49 | Repo | Added: Tooltip on "Sell Junk" button to show you can right-click it. |
| 07:10.55 | Repo | Fixed: Layering of button |
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| 08:10.46 | Adirelle | hrm, weren't mod devs supposed to get curse premium accounts for free ? |
| 08:11.53 | sag_ich_nicht | yes, we were |
| 08:12.08 | Adirelle | well, according to CC, this is not my case anymore |
| 08:12.29 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm what. |
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| 08:13.26 | Adirelle | at login the Curse Client, it display "regular" where it used to display "Premium" |
| 08:13.43 | Adirelle | and I have the right to see the ad and wait 5 secondes before each addon installation |
| 08:14.45 | sag_ich_nicht | "right" |
| 08:15.14 | Adirelle | yes, I actually forgot the quotes |
| 08:16.48 | Adirelle | I think I'd have to wait until someone of the Curse staff shows up |
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| 08:21.15 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: dito, btw |
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| 08:24.58 | Adirelle | hrmf, can't find where Kaelten said that on the foruù |
| 08:25.00 | charon | morning |
| 08:25.02 | Adirelle | forum* |
| 08:25.07 | Adirelle | morning charon |
| 08:28.56 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: right here http://www.wowace.com/announcements/the-road-ahead-or-how-i-finally-got-the-forums-off/ |
| 08:29.25 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: thanks |
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| 08:31.45 | Gnarfoz | btw, get the 2.0.0.14 build, at least it doesn't have the forced wait =) |
| 08:37.40 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: it seems it does |
| 08:38.03 | Gnarfoz | how so? it says in the changelog that it's gone and I don't think I'm experiencing it? ^^ |
| 08:38.30 | Gnarfoz | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe |
| 08:40.56 | Adirelle | trying again |
| 08:42.16 | Adirelle | my bad, it did have some waiting to *close* the installing windows |
| 08:42.25 | Adirelle | no to install the addon itself |
| 08:42.40 | Adirelle | and it seems it did it onyl once |
| 08:44.03 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: ok now that's clear, it seems the ad has to be displayed at least 8 seconds or so |
| 08:44.32 | Adirelle | so the install windows display a "close" button but if you click it too early, it just displays some cooldown before closing |
| 08:44.35 | Adirelle | countdown* |
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| 09:05.37 | Repo | [WoW] 10cc-gloss: 03Bruners * r2 / (5 files in 2 directories): initial |
| 09:07.15 | Repo | [WoW] 10gcraft: 03C0DA 07master * ce141d4 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+3 commits] |
| 09:07.16 | Repo | ce141d4: Fix bug with incomplete items being inserted without a subcategory. |
| 09:07.17 | Repo | 4fbc2ce: Fix bug with Enchanting (which has obviously no subcategories) and with items variable not being available when tradeskills are scanned for the first time. |
| 09:07.20 | Repo | 1cf7a43: Fix bug with Show Connected Crafters |
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| 09:22.33 | Repo | [WoW] 10cc-gloss: 03Bruners 04v1.0 * r3 : Tagging as v1.0. |
| 09:22.53 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: ah, that's not too bad, I guess |
| 09:23.12 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: how laggy =P |
| 09:23.26 | Gnarfoz | breakfast :> |
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| 09:23.39 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: that means that updating 5 addons takes 45 secondes at least |
| 09:23.48 | Gnarfoz | mhh |
| 09:23.57 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes * r14 / (8 files in 3 directories): Add quest interaction window |
| 09:24.00 | Gnarfoz | well, except for when you're switching over, that's not happening often |
| 09:24.12 | Adirelle | that shouldn't |
| 09:24.33 | Gnarfoz | also, we were currently having the problem of not having premium anymore... ckknight? (probably not the right guy to talk to for this ^^) |
| 09:24.48 | sb | hmm right, "regular" |
| 09:24.51 | sb | wtb premium acc! |
| 09:25.05 | Adirelle | Gnarfoz: I suspect ckknight not to be Chuck Norris and to sleep sometimes |
| 09:25.11 | Adirelle | ~seen ckknight |
| 09:25.22 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (5h 47m 10s) #norganna (5h 47m 10s) #wowuidev (5h 47m 10s) #wowace (5h 47m 10s) #curseforge (5h 47m 10s), last said: 'I'll inform the right people'. |
| 09:25.22 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: blasphemy |
| 09:25.57 | Adirelle | erm... let's say it is afk to kick some bad guys' asses |
| 09:26.28 | Arrowmaster | hopefully they get some statistics on how many updates are actually getting sent to people with the client now vs old wowace with repack on every external change and decide to give one button updating to all and other features to compete with crap like wowmatrix |
| 09:27.08 | Gnarfoz | hmmm |
| 09:27.17 | Gnarfoz | wasn't the CC supposed to *not* pick no-lib zips/ |
| 09:27.18 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 09:27.36 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: thats a problem in the curse site actually right now |
| 09:27.38 | Adirelle | I'd bet this is in the bug list |
| 09:27.43 | Gnarfoz | kk :\ |
| 09:27.43 | Gnarfoz | AddonLoader-r80902-nolib |
| 09:27.44 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 09:27.52 | Adirelle | ~lart CurseClient |
| 09:27.52 | purl | follow's CurseClient with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 09:27.58 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll wait until monday to switch over to CC |
| 09:28.00 | Arrowmaster | some are getting set as the default download |
| 09:28.04 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. reinstalling all addons) |
| 09:28.13 | Arrowmaster | so even downloading them from the site gives the wrong one |
| 09:28.17 | Gnarfoz | *grabs backup, unpacks* |
| 09:28.32 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/haider112.html ;D |
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| 09:29.38 | Adirelle | Arrowmaster: they plan to allow alpha downloads (the option is even there in CC .14), hopefully not too many people will use it |
| 09:29.50 | dafire | hi |
| 09:30.00 | sb | i will use it! :P |
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| 09:30.19 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: hopefully addon authors will tag stuff as beta or release once in a while... |
| 09:30.44 | Arrowmaster | imho alpha shouldnt be available from the client.... |
| 09:30.47 | Adirelle | yes |
| 09:30.58 | Gnarfoz | I don't want to be in a "this addons works in LK, too, but only if you jump through hoops to get the alpha version off wowace" situation |
| 09:31.02 | Adirelle | Arrowmaster: according to Kolie, it won't until some times |
| 09:31.14 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod * r15 / (5 files in 2 directories): *proper curse packaging |
| 09:31.24 | sb | then tell vhaarr to tag those LDB (ora, bigwigs, closetgnome) changes as beta :p |
| 09:31.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Gnarfoz: I know |
| 09:31.54 | Repo | [WoW] 10guildcraft: 03OrionShock 06wotlk-branch 04v3.1.4 beta * r104 : Tagging as v3.1.4 beta. |
| 09:32.02 | vhaarr | sb: grrr |
| 09:32.04 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod * r16 / (2 files in 1 directory): *typos/minor stuff |
| 09:32.06 | Gnarfoz | sb: yeah, see? I doubt he's gonna... |
| 09:32.18 | Arrowmaster | i just want to see them fix up the client to be more appealing, like one button updating for all, no 5 sec waits and such, and make it so people dont leave and use wowmatrix |
| 09:32.21 | Adirelle | Arrowmaster: as alphas aren't syndicated to curse.com and CC only uses Curse.com ATM, they have to add some code to pull alphas from cf/wowace |
| 09:32.41 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod 04Stable 0.4r3 * r17 : Tagging as Stable 0.4r3. |
| 09:33.37 | sb | vhaarr: sorry ;) |
| 09:34.11 | vhaarr | sb: I don't want to tag every commit I do |
| 09:35.02 | vhaarr | tbh I could just set up a cron job to tag anything I commit to every 6 hours |
| 09:35.16 | Gnarfoz | no, but working ones that include relevant changes (like: "now works with wotlk, too") should probably be tagged? :> |
| 09:35.17 | sb | i know, thats why we need alpha support on curse :p |
| 09:35.19 | Arrowmaster | just edit the zip to beta |
| 09:35.42 | Arrowmaster | does the client support betas yet? |
| 09:36.00 | vhaarr | point is I don't want to do any manual process like that, anything I commit should be available to the end user |
| 09:36.01 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: installing them, prolly, updating them properly - probably not |
| 09:36.04 | vhaarr | I don't care if it breaks for them |
| 09:36.11 | Gnarfoz | it has switches for release/beta/alpha preference, dunno if it actually does anything yet |
| 09:36.29 | orionshock | vhaarr: then do the ugly thing then, dev in /tags |
| 09:36.31 | orionshock | :D |
| 09:36.33 | Gnarfoz | vhaarr: well, just include 'beta' in every version number, I guess |
| 09:36.49 | Gnarfoz | or how ever the regex autodetection works |
| 09:37.05 | orionshock | Gnarfoz: that only works for /tags dir, not /trunk iirc |
| 09:37.30 | Gnarfoz | hmm I don't even know if he's using svn or something else |
| 09:37.45 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets/ < is the menu bar broken for anyone else? |
| 09:38.03 | Arrowmaster | always has been |
| 09:38.12 | charon | orionshock: developing in /tags is a good idea, since the packager will (or at least should) outright refuse to recreate the same tag zip again. |
| 09:38.28 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: not on all addons, though :\ I only see it sometimes |
| 09:38.44 | Arrowmaster | oh i think its a lenght problem |
| 09:38.57 | Arrowmaster | the "My WowAce" is pushed down |
| 09:39.06 | [SW]Dodge | it happens if the addon name is to long |
| 09:39.10 | Aiiane | (02:37:54) vhaarr: point is I don't want to do any manual process like that, anything I commit should be available to the end user |
| 09:39.12 | Adirelle | CC .14 does handle beta right |
| 09:39.18 | Aiiane | that's a rather bad stance to take for software dev :/ |
| 09:39.25 | Arrowmaster | his stuff is stable |
| 09:40.18 | Arrowmaster | ask for a special repo setting to tag everything as beta instead of alpha but only allow mods to enable it |
| 09:41.17 | vhaarr | Aiiane: no it isn't, what the hell are you talking about? |
| 09:41.32 | vhaarr | explain yourself |
| 09:41.42 | Arrowmaster | theres an option for it, but the service that provides data to the client doesnt support it yet |
| 09:41.43 | Aiiane | vhaarr: I suppose it depends on how you actually use the repo |
| 09:42.00 | vhaarr | Aiiane: no it doesn't |
| 09:42.19 | Aiiane | vhaarr: when you're dealing with a client that auto-installs latest available packages? yes, it does |
| 09:42.26 | vhaarr | not for me |
| 09:42.37 | vhaarr | and so now you can explain to me why that makes me a bad developer |
| 09:42.37 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr's stuff is always stable |
| 09:43.19 | Aiiane | im just not going to push this argument, not worth it |
| 09:44.37 | Arrowmaster | i got up early, im tired and going to bed early |
| 09:45.05 | vhaarr | Aiiane: then perhaps you should retract your statement |
| 09:45.52 | Aiiane | vhaarr: no, because I haven't necessarily changed my mind, I just don't see the point in attempting to convince you of its validity further |
| 09:46.13 | vhaarr | Aiiane: but you did see the point in using your statement to undermine my abilities? |
| 09:47.07 | Aiiane | I think you're taking a random comment more personally and seriously than you should. |
| 09:47.32 | vhaarr | well that should've been apparent from my first response, so you should've warned me then |
| 09:47.33 | Adirelle | actually his/her statement wasn't about abilities but choices |
| 09:47.39 | dafire | the only solution is to set the repo to not create an alpha version on every commit |
| 09:48.02 | dafire | or commit breaking stuff on purpose to educate the user to not use the feature ;) |
| 09:48.07 | vhaarr | Adirelle: the ability to make a good choice then, please stay out of it |
| 09:48.09 | Aiiane | and at no point here have I stated anything about what curse/curseforge/wowace should/shouldn't or will/won't do |
| 09:49.31 | vhaarr | Aiiane: however, I do agree with you when it comes to outsider commits like localization updates (you have no idea how many times those break things) |
| 09:49.58 | Adirelle | vhaarr: actually I agree with what Aiiane said : *generally* speaking, making every commit available to the end user is not a good idea |
| 09:50.08 | vhaarr | perhaps not |
| 09:50.13 | vhaarr | for me it's fine |
| 09:51.12 | vhaarr | but yeah I guess the problem will go away once the CC supports alpha releases |
| 09:51.22 | Aiiane | vhaarr: I've seen the "fixed ___ (damn localization)" commits enough to get a sense :P |
| 09:51.26 | vhaarr | but I'll probably have to tag for 3.0/wrath, and that annoys me |
| 09:51.44 | [SW]Dodge | vhaarr: it supports alpha (in latest .14 build) |
| 09:52.17 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: the data feed that gives the CC data, does not however, so that option is nil and void =P |
| 09:52.51 | [SW]Dodge | ah... ok :D |
| 09:53.55 | [SW]Dodge | but then go and make the data feed providing beta and alpha :) |
| 09:55.38 | nevcairiel | it provides beta |
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| 09:55.40 | nevcairiel | just not alpha yet |
| 09:56.22 | [SW]Dodge | tehn... do that it does :) |
| 09:57.46 | [SW]Dodge | well, i just hope CC wont FAIL on patchday :P |
| 09:59.30 | Gnarfoz | I bet it will, sadly |
| 09:59.31 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 09:59.35 | [SW]Dodge | damn. i let the Old Ironjaw go ;( didnt loot him ._. |
| 09:59.42 | [SW]Dodge | Gnarfoz: yea me too :D |
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| 10:00.09 | ZorbaBeta | any admins around? I updated Questhelper a number of hours ago, the .zip's been accepted, and the webpage is still not updated |
| 10:02.37 | Aiiane | I think the sync might just be generally down at the moment |
| 10:02.53 | Aiiane | Had a few of the WAR authors mentioning things hadn't been updated in a few hours either |
| 10:03.20 | Aiiane | the sync process probably went off to blizzcon too :P |
| 10:03.52 | dafire | nevcairiel: ? |
| 10:04.06 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 10:04.43 | dafire | what about a simple "LibLoader" addon ? adding that to toc instead of just removing the LoadOnDemand should be doable by script :9 |
| 10:05.41 | nevcairiel | that still requires every library to add some sort of X-Library header |
| 10:05.56 | dafire | only if the addon name differs from the lib name |
| 10:07.01 | dafire | it would not be a complex thing to try to load an addon with the library name if getlibrary can't find it |
| 10:07.01 | nevcairiel | feel free to propose and to write one :P |
| 10:07.41 | nevcairiel | that would be an acceptable solution to replace the LoadOnDemand tag with LoadManager: LibLoader |
| 10:07.59 | Gnarfoz | why go back to a situation we already had before? :< |
| 10:08.16 | dafire | Gnarfoz: because the current way don't work with 3.0 |
| 10:08.21 | nevcairiel | LoadManager has one advantage, its not required |
| 10:08.26 | nevcairiel | if the addon in question isnt there |
| 10:08.28 | nevcairiel | its not LoD |
| 10:08.44 | Gnarfoz | dafire: "the current" way that already never got implemented in ace3 and libstub because it was a bad idea in the first place? |
| 10:09.11 | dafire | Gnarfoz: the current way is that wow loads optdep libraries |
| 10:09.28 | Gnarfoz | I'm talking about ace2 enabling necessary libraries |
| 10:09.28 | dafire | and it does not do it with 3.0 anymore |
| 10:09.32 | Gnarfoz | I know. |
| 10:09.41 | nevcairiel | Only issue i see is that the LibLoader addon has to load _before_ anything else |
| 10:09.55 | nevcairiel | or it won't be able to hook into LibStub |
| 10:10.00 | Gnarfoz | but only when they're marked as LoD. and they *are* actually Required Deps, not optional ones. .toc rewriting is the way to go, IMHO. ;> |
| 10:10.56 | Aiiane | just be glad you're not working with WAR .mod files which don't even have an OptDeps field :P |
| 10:10.57 | nevcairiel | can you assure that one addon loads before all others? |
| 10:11.30 | nevcairiel | i know on Windows its just "give it a name that starts with some funny char", but does that guarantee load order on OSX and linux? |
| 10:11.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not 100%, I think |
| 10:11.53 | Gnarfoz | one way would be to have every addon have it as a Dependency. ;D |
| 10:12.00 | nevcairiel | not viable |
| 10:12.02 | Gnarfoz | I know. |
| 10:12.35 | dafire | is there no way to hook the getlibrary function ? .9 |
| 10:12.43 | Gnarfoz | just saying, IMHO .toc rewriting for no-lib versions is probably the least painful thing. allow having 2 different '## Dependencies:' toc fields |
| 10:12.58 | Gnarfoz | and use one in the no-lib version, the other in the normal one |
| 10:13.12 | Gnarfoz | so that no-lib versions actually require their necessary libs |
| 10:13.27 | nevcairiel | dafire: that should be easy, however you need to make sure LibLoader loads before _anything_ else loads |
| 10:13.35 | dafire | why ? |
| 10:13.36 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't be hard to do? it's close to what @no-lib-strip@ does, already |
| 10:13.59 | nevcairiel | dafire: if AddonA loads and requests LibraryX, but LibLoader didnt load yet, it breaks? :) |
| 10:14.44 | nevcairiel | maybe blizzard was smart enough to load any LoadManager before everything else |
| 10:14.47 | nevcairiel | guess its testing time |
| 10:14.55 | dafire | that would be smart |
| 10:15.17 | dafire | Gnarfoz: i have a ticket for that for weeks :9 |
| 10:15.27 | Gnarfoz | dafire: link it, it needs votes. |
| 10:16.24 | dafire | but it would require changing all mods that use libraries .9 |
| 10:16.30 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 10:16.38 | Gnarfoz | it's an easy thing to do :[ |
| 10:16.56 | Gnarfoz | could even be done through the 'what does this addon include' thingy that's already in place |
| 10:17.42 | [SW]Dodge | why not just asking blizz to "fix" that problem? :> |
| 10:18.03 | nevcairiel | we did, but its never making it into 3.0.2 release |
| 10:18.07 | Gnarfoz | because it was just a "well, this is the best we can do" thing before |
| 10:18.18 | Gnarfoz | (the OptDep thing) |
| 10:18.40 | dafire | yeah ... new stuff is already going into 3.0.3 .. 3.0.2 is frozen |
| 10:18.51 | Gnarfoz | disembedded libs are *required* deps, not optional ones - we were basically abusing the feature for something it wasn't meant for |
| 10:19.19 | dafire | Gnarfoz: not really... many addon that contain babble only need to load them on non english clients |
| 10:19.33 | dafire | and those are huge .) |
| 10:19.44 | Gnarfoz | hah, you wish, many addons *fail* if you don't have babble even though you're on enUS |
| 10:19.58 | Gnarfoz | the only ones that don't have probably been touched by ellipsis :D |
| 10:20.27 | Gnarfoz | not that it's relevant because babble should have 'if getlocale' blocks anyway? that crap should be GC'd then |
| 10:25.35 | *** join/#curseforge Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 10:31.59 | *** join/#curseforge vhaarr (n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr) |
| 10:36.56 | Grum | Who put an 'Uninstall' button next to the 'Update' button in the Curse Client? |
| 10:37.00 | Grum | that is just fail on UI design :) |
| 10:37.24 | nevcairiel | only because you cant click! :P |
| 10:37.47 | Grum | thats like blaming a dyslectic he cant type |
| 10:38.19 | Grum | WTB log; i just tossed something away and there is no way to see what it was ;'( |
| 10:38.23 | Gnarfoz | (they actually can't read) |
| 10:38.45 | Adirelle | they should put the |
| 10:38.45 | Grum | really? ;) |
| 10:39.02 | ZorbaBeta | man, there should at least be a confirmation dialog there :P |
| 10:39.03 | Adirelle | s/put the/releast the .14 version/ |
| 10:39.19 | Adirelle | it has some log windows |
| 10:39.22 | Adirelle | -s |
| 10:39.22 | Grum | its annoying! |
| 10:39.27 | Repo | [WoW] 10cc-gloss: 03Bruners * r4 .pkgmeta: pkgmeta bladder |
| 10:39.31 | Grum | do you have it? |
| 10:39.33 | Grum | gib plx :p |
| 10:39.45 | ZorbaBeta | the curse client seems to be kind of perpetually broken :( |
| 10:39.46 | Gnarfoz | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe |
| 10:40.15 | Adirelle | actually, if you reinstall all your addons by hand, it works more or less |
| 10:40.24 | Adirelle | that's a still beta |
| 10:40.31 | Grum | so? |
| 10:40.41 | Gnarfoz | Adirelle: yeah, but... even that doesn't work right now... :\ |
| 10:40.42 | Grum | Adirelle: why reinstall them by hand? |
| 10:40.47 | Grum | and how does it solve dependencies atm? |
| 10:40.52 | Grum | just all 'with externals' ? |
| 10:41.01 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 10:41.03 | ZorbaBeta | if I want an automatic updater to work, I don't expect "install everything by hand" to be part of the update process :P |
| 10:41.05 | Grum | NOOOOOOOO |
| 10:41.11 | Grum | i dont want that crap |
| 10:41.12 | Grum | grrr |
| 10:41.24 | Gnarfoz | whee 500% login times. |
| 10:42.45 | Grum | does it download at a reduced speed on purpose orso? o.O |
| 10:43.15 | Stanzilla | I think so, for non premium there is delay somewhere |
| 10:43.24 | Grum | wth |
| 10:43.29 | nevcairiel | not in download speed afaik though |
| 10:43.32 | Grum | if i go to the site its instantly downloaded |
| 10:43.37 | Grum | via this Curse Client |
| 10:43.41 | Repo | [WoW] 10cc-gloss: 03Bruners 04v1.1 * r5 : Tagging as v1.1. |
| 10:43.42 | Grum | it takes more than 2 minutes already o.O |
| 10:44.03 | Grum | ok thats it |
| 10:44.09 | Grum | i'm writing a tool that just does it |
| 10:44.10 | Grum | GRRR |
| 10:45.33 | Adirelle | grum: resintalling by hand make CC registers them |
| 10:45.46 | Adirelle | Kolie chosen the 'work with the database, change the file accordingly' approach |
| 10:45.54 | Grum | o.O |
| 10:46.05 | Adirelle | which is debatable |
| 10:46.10 | Grum | is it maybe .14 which is slow? |
| 10:46.11 | Adirelle | but this is the way it works |
| 10:46.15 | Grum | its trying to download Fizzle |
| 10:46.20 | Grum | which is some kb's big ... |
| 10:46.35 | Adirelle | actually it isn't slow downloading on purpose |
| 10:46.57 | Grum | then i dont want to know how this server will behave next wednesday |
| 10:47.44 | Adirelle | the client just makes sur you see the ad at least 8 seconds or so for each addon... |
| 10:47.47 | Adirelle | sure* |
| 10:49.27 | Repo | [WoW] 10luggage: 03Nimbal * r45 / (7 files in 3 directories): * Added open / close trigger for bags at various locations |
| 10:49.28 | Repo | * Added key bindings |
| 10:49.36 | Grum | var curseTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-5601129-1"); ... _gat is undefined ... |
| 10:49.39 | Grum | wtg! |
| 10:50.08 | Repo | [WoW] 10luggage: 03Nimbal 04v1.04 * r46 : Tagging as v1.04. |
| 10:51.31 | Grum | its really cute and all; you can make a selection in the 'find addon'-section |
| 10:51.34 | Grum | and select more than 1 |
| 10:51.39 | Grum | but you can never install more than 1 at a time o.O |
| 10:52.22 | ZorbaBeta | adirelle, wait, it seriously considers its database to be authoritative? |
| 10:52.28 | ZorbaBeta | eugh |
| 10:53.18 | Grum | i still wonder which addon i by accident delete just a min ago |
| 10:53.54 | Grum | why does it start doing stuff when i close down my wow-client? O.O |
| 10:54.25 | nevcairiel | because it doesnt do stuff while the client is running! |
| 10:54.30 | Grum | it actually does |
| 10:54.36 | Grum | it just installs the addons i tell it to |
| 10:54.42 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles * r14 / (2 files in 2 directories): ShockAndAwe: - |
| 10:54.43 | Repo | commit with all updates bar locales - which had their UTF-8 codes broken - reverting to |
| 10:56.15 | Grum | oh geez .... |
| 10:56.45 | Grum | why does it keep telling me my wow opened and closed? o.O |
| 10:56.52 | Grum | *i know* ... |
| 10:57.37 | Adirelle | ZorbaBeta: it seems it does |
| 10:57.47 | Adirelle | anyway, me hungry ! |
| 10:57.48 | Grum | erm it just said 'wow-data send' .. what wowdata? o.O |
| 10:57.49 | Adirelle | bye |
| 10:58.36 | Gnarfoz | Grum: curse profiler, wowdb stuff, etc. |
| 10:58.43 | Grum | i never installed anything like that |
| 10:58.50 | Grum | so wtf is it sending :) |
| 10:58.51 | Gnarfoz | CC did. |
| 10:58.55 | Grum | o.O |
| 10:58.57 | Grum | *WHY* |
| 10:59.35 | nevcairiel | because it can? :) |
| 10:59.43 | Grum | what is the addon called? |
| 10:59.45 | ZorbaBeta | because they want to get data from you, even if you don't want them to? |
| 10:59.54 | nevcairiel | curseprofiler |
| 11:00.11 | Grum | i dont have that addon |
| 11:00.12 | nevcairiel | you can uninstall it |
| 11:00.14 | Grum | what did it send? |
| 11:00.20 | nevcairiel | probably wdb cache files |
| 11:00.24 | Grum | GRRRRR |
| 11:00.35 | Grum | where is the option to turn that off |
| 11:00.36 | Gnarfoz | http://www.curse.com/client/ < maybe you should have read that before just installing and then flipping out afterwards. |
| 11:01.25 | Repo | [WAR] 10libtimer: 03solariz * r11 LibTimer.lua: Project abandoned |
| 11:01.28 | Grum | ok; good reason to never have it running |
| 11:01.32 | ZorbaBeta | maybe they shouldn't be installing data-gathering addons without asking the user |
| 11:01.43 | Grum | they should not send data without having an option not to send it |
| 11:01.53 | Grum | i dont want them to waste my upload just because i exit wow o.O |
| 11:02.03 | Gnarfoz | 'waste', uhm yeah. |
| 11:02.13 | Grum | yes waste |
| 11:02.19 | sb | Grum: you dont want to violate the TOS just because you exit wow :p:p |
| 11:02.49 | Grum | err? |
| 11:03.24 | sb | go read your blizzard/wow TOS :) |
| 11:03.47 | Grum | just explain without making me ead it |
| 11:04.03 | sb | well - you agree not to use datamining-software ;) |
| 11:04.16 | Grum | lol |
| 11:04.18 | Grum | L O L :P |
| 11:04.33 | Gnarfoz | or perhaps, you should grow up :> |
| 11:04.37 | Grum | erm? |
| 11:04.45 | Gnarfoz | dunno, or start reading pages that tell you what software does |
| 11:04.45 | Grum | I'm ok with it; if i get to choose that it happens |
| 11:04.53 | Gnarfoz | instead of complaining and loling afterwards. :D |
| 11:04.54 | Grum | or if it actually explains what it does |
| 11:05.01 | Grum | it says: 'collect data' |
| 11:05.03 | Grum | yes .. my CC ? |
| 11:05.08 | Grum | wtf do you do |
| 11:05.17 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know about you, but I don't expect to have to dig through documentation to find out that a program is going to install stuff on my hard drive without telling me and then upload data to a commercial service |
| 11:05.18 | Gnarfoz | sure, because it points your webcam to your wallet |
| 11:05.51 | ZorbaBeta | that kind of thing should be mentioned explicitly when it starts up, with an option to opt-out. or better, an option to opt-in. |
| 11:05.51 | Grum | also; i am not a premium member; i do not want to send crap to curse; especially unasked |
| 11:05.51 | Gnarfoz | how is 'description on the page you download it from' 'dig through documentation' |
| 11:05.59 | Grum | you download it from a link given in here |
| 11:06.02 | Grum | after that it says nothing |
| 11:06.04 | Gnarfoz | no, you don't. |
| 11:06.05 | Grum | and just uploads all your files on your pc |
| 11:06.37 | Gnarfoz | you download it from http://www.curse.com/client/ |
| 11:06.51 | Gnarfoz | that I gave you a beta link I picked up in here is something entirely different |
| 11:07.00 | Grum | and there it says; and i quote: 'The client collects game data and submits is to our database sites' |
| 11:07.01 | Gnarfoz | can't be blamed for you using pre-release stuff. |
| 11:07.04 | Grum | what does it do? |
| 11:07.13 | Gnarfoz | collect data. you were NOT unaware of it. |
| 11:07.19 | Grum | *WHAT* does it do? |
| 11:07.28 | Gnarfoz | you could have chosen to not install it with such an ambiguous statement on that page |
| 11:07.31 | Gnarfoz | but you did... |
| 11:07.38 | Grum | gamedata is actually also my CC |
| 11:07.41 | Grum | as its data related to the game |
| 11:07.42 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 11:07.44 | Grum | so wtf did it just send |
| 11:07.56 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, I'm sorry, but you're being kind of a dick. |
| 11:07.59 | Gnarfoz | your "CC" (actually your "CC number") is not stored anywhere on your computer, hopefully |
| 11:08.09 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: I'm arguing the other side, not being a dick. |
| 11:08.12 | ZorbaBeta | grum, I don't know what exactly it does, but chances are it includes nothing more than quest information, monster location information, and the like |
| 11:08.15 | Grum | that doesn't matter; it has all my tax data on it |
| 11:08.23 | Gnarfoz | your wow install has tax data? |
| 11:08.29 | Grum | i do not want it to send anything unless it bloody well explicitly states what it is sending |
| 11:08.40 | Grum | its on my disk; its up to me where i hide it |
| 11:08.49 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, the two are not mutually exclusive. I'm on Grum's side here, programs shouldn't send data without specifically asking the user |
| 11:09.07 | ZorbaBeta | and putting a notice on a buried webpage that you don't even have to look at to install the software is not "specifically asking" |
| 11:09.17 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: it says that on the info page to the client, so you knew, in theory. |
| 11:09.29 | sb | sending isnt the problem |
| 11:09.33 | Gnarfoz | I'm saying that even though it isn't very specific it *does* state that it transmits ... stuff. if that's not explicit enough for you, why do you use it? |
| 11:09.34 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, bad logic. have you ever clicked through a EULA without reading it? |
| 11:09.34 | Grum | not know what it sends is my problem |
| 11:09.46 | sb | the problem is that the default setting violates the wow TOS :/ |
| 11:09.51 | sb | by sending that data |
| 11:09.52 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: sure, but i dont complain then afterwards if it sayed something in there |
| 11:09.54 | ZorbaBeta | "it existed somewhere on a page that you might have looked at" is not sufficient. |
| 11:10.10 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: actually, you have to visit that page, because getting a link to a BETA release from someone not even affiliated with curse can't be blamed on curse? :< |
| 11:10.25 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, what, even if the eula said "you owe us lots of money"? |
| 11:10.33 | ZorbaBeta | I'm pretty sure you'd complain in a lot of situations. |
| 11:10.37 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: such statements are not valid, anyway. |
| 11:10.46 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, it's legally uncertain at the moment |
| 11:10.48 | Gnarfoz | sorry, I'm in a country with sane laws. |
| 11:10.54 | Gnarfoz | it's not valid here. :> |
| 11:11.07 | ZorbaBeta | and the legal validity doesn't really change my point - namely, that having a comment that exists somewhere on a webpage is not adequate explanation |
| 11:11.21 | Gnarfoz | 'somewhere on a web page' being the page where you installed the app from? |
| 11:11.24 | ZorbaBeta | if there was a buried comment of "oh by the way we also copy your WoW username and password", would you think that was okay? |
| 11:11.26 | Grum | ok; why does wow have the EULA ingame on every minor upgrade? |
| 11:11.30 | Grum | why not just have it on a webpage? |
| 11:11.31 | ZorbaBeta | well, he didn't - he installed it off a link in here |
| 11:11.32 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: that info is not accessible. |
| 11:11.37 | Grum | BECAUSE YOU BLOODY DAMN WELL READ IT THEN! >< |
| 11:11.37 | ZorbaBeta | sure it is |
| 11:11.43 | ZorbaBeta | you just install a keylogger |
| 11:11.46 | ZorbaBeta | badabing badaboom |
| 11:11.48 | Gnarfoz | Grum: because they're based in the US where the situation is not clear? |
| 11:12.19 | Grum | right; so every software company with an EULA popping up on first use is situated in the US? |
| 11:12.21 | Gnarfoz | two-factor auth ftw, but... yeah, now suddenly CC is malicious software? |
| 11:12.25 | Grum | if not; why do people do it? |
| 11:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | I'm considering it so at this point, personally :P |
| 11:12.39 | Gnarfoz | Grum: no, but probably has it as a target marketplace or doesn't know better. :) |
| 11:12.48 | Grum | Gnarfoz: any software is malicious when it sends data without stating what it sends |
| 11:12.55 | Gnarfoz | uhh neat definition. |
| 11:13.27 | Gnarfoz | gtfo and write your own updater? please own up on: <Grum> i'm writing a tool that just does it |
| 11:14.11 | Gnarfoz | or recommend stuff to kolie or netcurse. they do have eyes/ears ;) |
| 11:14.30 | Grum | its just sad that from a perfectly working wowaceupdater you go down the drain this far to get this abomination |
| 11:14.32 | Gnarfoz | my banking software also sends data and doesn't state exactly what it sends... |
| 11:14.53 | Grum | hence malicious software until proven otherwise :) |
| 11:14.54 | Gnarfoz | Grum: so? it would have gone down the drain anyway because it costs money to host that shit... |
| 11:15.04 | Grum | then find a spot that sponsors it |
| 11:15.07 | profalbert | better CC than nothing |
| 11:15.07 | Gnarfoz | hahaha |
| 11:15.12 | Gnarfoz | 50TB of traffic a month |
| 11:15.15 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that |
| 11:15.18 | ZorbaBeta | there's plenty of ways to make money without having to resort to near-malware |
| 11:15.20 | Gnarfoz | curse WAS sponsoring wowace for a long time now. |
| 11:15.26 | nevcairiel | 50TB in a month _without_ a patch |
| 11:15.32 | *** join/#curseforge Hjalte (n=chatzill@62.242.38.50) |
| 11:15.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 11:15.45 | Grum | i dont get why this solution will get less trafic |
| 11:15.47 | Gnarfoz | Grum: btw, JWU works, I heard. |
| 11:16.02 | Grum | if only it is because all the people get RSI from clicking 3 times per addon to update |
| 11:16.11 | Gnarfoz | ... heard of premium accounts? |
| 11:16.15 | nevcairiel | Grum: because you dont get updates for every trunk commit |
| 11:16.30 | Grum | nevcairiel: i've said before; commiting devwork into trunk is fail |
| 11:16.38 | nevcairiel | Grum: no its not |
| 11:16.39 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, they're not actually concerned much with the bandwidth use. if they were, they'd be making more steps to reduce it. it clearly hasn't been a priority of theirs |
| 11:16.43 | nevcairiel | updating from trunk is fail |
| 11:16.48 | Grum | yup |
| 11:26.11 | *** join/#curseforge charon (n=thomas@unaffiliated/charon) |
| 11:27.39 | Grum | sb: happen to have a link to the piece of text stating you cant use data-mining tools? |
| 11:27.48 | sb | uhm |
| 11:27.49 | Grum | i know its to be found in the ToU of the Armory |
| 11:29.24 | Grum | what does 'Close client on X' mean? o.O |
| 11:29.38 | sb | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20224&rhtml=true?rhtml=y#dsmdm |
| 11:29.48 | nevcairiel | if it should shutdown when you press the X in the corner or hide to systray |
| 11:30.00 | sb | "If a player is found to have altered the data stream or performed any data mining...." |
| 11:30.23 | Grum | right; so it question should be: 'Keep running in systray' |
| 11:30.52 | Grum | or simpler: 'Show systray icon' and make it inherent to that |
| 11:31.00 | charon | 'Data stream manipulation can be [...] the "sniffing" of packets for any reason.' |
| 11:31.01 | charon | lolwut |
| 11:31.25 | nevcairiel | not like its proofable in any way you did that |
| 11:31.26 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:31.37 | charon | "he's running wireshark! HE'S A HACKER!" |
| 11:32.17 | Grum | i'll just make a ticket for it |
| 11:33.30 | Gnarfoz | charon: welcome to Germany as of 2007? :< |
| 11:33.43 | Gnarfoz | or was it 2k8? I don't even know, but we have a law that makes that reality :( |
| 11:33.50 | nevcairiel | i think 07 |
| 11:34.04 | Gnarfoz | StGB 202c |
| 11:34.08 | Gnarfoz | I think :D |
| 11:34.13 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, I'm pretty sure that technically speaking you're basically just not legally allowed to use computers now |
| 11:34.27 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: huh? ;D |
| 11:34.42 | ZorbaBeta | I seem to remember that the strictest reading of that law prohibits Windows, OSX, and Linux as well :P |
| 11:34.47 | Gnarfoz | well yeah, you could probably lay it out that, way :D |
| 11:35.07 | Gnarfoz | it's still stupid in its entirety |
| 11:35.22 | ZorbaBeta | agreed |
| 11:35.48 | nevcairiel | yeah its 202 a to c |
| 11:36.04 | nevcairiel | its illegal to write packet sniffers in germany now |
| 11:36.14 | Gnarfoz | or use them |
| 11:36.16 | Grum | GRRRRRRRRR FUCKING STACK OF FAIL WEBSITE |
| 11:36.17 | Gnarfoz | or possess them! |
| 11:36.18 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 11:36.35 | Grum | changing the 'Type' of a ticket just bluntly overwrites all the text you had in the Description |
| 11:36.39 | Grum | hurrray! |
| 11:36.51 | Gnarfoz | sounds like JS disabled or something |
| 11:37.09 | Grum | no its not |
| 11:37.12 | Grum | its just broken |
| 11:37.21 | charon | Gnarfoz: seems i'm lucky to live a bit further south huh |
| 11:37.45 | Gnarfoz | charon: indeed |
| 11:37.56 | Gnarfoz | at least border controls will go away soon for you, too ;) |
| 11:38.04 | nevcairiel | "...darauf hingewiesen, dass der gutwillige Umgang mit Hackertools durch IT-Sicherheitsexperten nicht vom § 202c StGB erfasst werde. Auch die Bundesjustizministerin Brigitte Zypries verwies im Juli 2007 mehrfach darauf, dass dieser Paragraph nur die Vorbereitungshandlungen zu Computerstraftaten unter Strafe stelle." (sry for the german :P) |
| 11:38.44 | Stanzilla | hai, I'm a nice hacker |
| 11:40.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's hilarious |
| 11:40.58 | nevcairiel | so i can continue to use it to figure out wtf is broken with my apps =P |
| 11:42.02 | charon | i can't find any of the buzzwords on admin.ch's law collection |
| 11:42.24 | charon | shrugs |
| 11:42.39 | *** join/#curseforge Adirelle (n=adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:43.02 | Gnarfoz | well, your neighbours to the east are one step further ahead, anyway |
| 11:43.08 | Adirelle | ~seen ckknight |
| 11:43.10 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (8h 4m 58s) #norganna (8h 4m 58s) #wowuidev (8h 4m 58s) #wowace (8h 4m 58s) #curseforge (8h 4m 58s), last said: 'I'll inform the right people'. |
| 11:43.10 | Gnarfoz | their politicians kill themselves! |
| 11:43.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:43.20 | charon | haha |
| 11:43.29 | nevcairiel | poor at |
| 11:44.04 | Gnarfoz | ah I think not too many do mind |
| 11:44.27 | Gnarfoz | well, loss of life may be tragic in gernal, etc. but... |
| 11:44.58 | Gnarfoz | gah I hate it when I can't find the triggers that uncover map areas :X |
| 11:45.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wtb accurate data on that :\ |
| 11:45.12 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:45.25 | nevcairiel | i usually just fly to the center of that area |
| 11:45.27 | nevcairiel | that usually works |
| 11:45.40 | Gnarfoz | Kalimdor/Azeroth :( |
| 11:45.51 | nevcairiel | then run to the center! |
| 11:46.01 | Gnarfoz | well, I did! |
| 11:46.02 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 11:46.06 | nevcairiel | has full kal/az + outlands discovered |
| 11:46.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, figure.s |
| 11:46.24 | Gnarfoz | *figures |
| 11:46.33 | Gnarfoz | and I'm reaping the benefits, so to speak <3 |
| 11:46.44 | Gnarfoz | yet, I can't seem to hit the POI that wow wants me to hit |
| 11:46.48 | Gnarfoz | ah, here it is |
| 11:46.48 | nevcairiel | i mostly did it to validate my mapster data =P |
| 11:46.50 | Gnarfoz | Grom'dol farm xD |
| 11:46.58 | Gnarfoz | yes, I know. hence my reaping. ;) |
| 11:47.16 | nevcairiel | but come 3.0, i want to do loremaster |
| 11:47.16 | Gnarfoz | actually, that's not true. this is live, I'm using Carto2 :D |
| 11:47.20 | nevcairiel | with low-lvl quest radar |
| 11:47.24 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 11:47.35 | Gnarfoz | even though some insane guys are doing it *now*, like kd3 |
| 11:47.41 | nevcairiel | i started |
| 11:47.43 | Gnarfoz | I'll only do it then. |
| 11:47.47 | nevcairiel | but i got silly after searching for some quests |
| 11:47.49 | Gnarfoz | when I'm bored at 80 |
| 11:47.59 | nevcairiel | one month of 70 before addon |
| 11:48.03 | nevcairiel | can do it in that time |
| 11:48.04 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, I'm actually planning on gathering that data in questhelper soon ;) |
| 11:48.05 | Gnarfoz | oh, right |
| 11:48.22 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: what data? where I have to go *exactly* to uncover a zone part? |
| 11:48.30 | ZorbaBeta | yup |
| 11:48.30 | Gnarfoz | (not that I'd use QH even if it had that data) |
| 11:48.33 | nevcairiel | thats kinda silly data |
| 11:48.44 | nevcairiel | i mean, comeone :P |
| 11:48.46 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, it's helpful if you're trying to help people out with the "exploration" achievements |
| 11:48.49 | ZorbaBeta | and it's easy enough to gather. |
| 11:48.55 | ZorbaBeta | plus I think it might be pretty on a map. |
| 11:48.56 | Gnarfoz | exactly my case. ;) |
| 11:49.10 | Gnarfoz | it'd be just like Foglight modules but with "hard" edges |
| 11:49.19 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, in a future version you'll be able to boot up questhelper and say "GET ME THESE ACHIEVEMENTS" and it'll be "okay, here's the best path" |
| 11:49.24 | Gnarfoz | whee Barrens done |
| 11:49.26 | nevcairiel | where is the fun in achievements if you just follow some arrow :( |
| 11:49.27 | ZorbaBeta | don't hold your breath, but it's on the radar :) |
| 11:49.54 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I personally don't really consider that achievement very fun. I mean, most of the locations are "run to the center of the whatever" |
| 11:50.04 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: then why do them |
| 11:50.08 | nevcairiel | they are just fun |
| 11:50.11 | nevcairiel | no gain |
| 11:50.16 | ZorbaBeta | because I want the checkmarks :D |
| 11:50.22 | ZorbaBeta | hell, why do anything in WoW |
| 11:50.27 | ZorbaBeta | because you want the pretty numbers to be larger |
| 11:50.31 | nevcairiel | to have fun :D |
| 11:50.38 | ZorbaBeta | because you enjoy the sense of completion, perhaps |
| 11:50.45 | nevcairiel | I'm a healer, i shit on big numbers =P |
| 11:50.51 | ZorbaBeta | and sometimes because you enjoy the journey. it all depends. :) |
| 11:50.55 | ZorbaBeta | what, you don't stack +heal? ;) |
| 11:51.05 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, no |
| 11:51.08 | charon | wtb mercurial help... "hg pull" says "pulling from http://hg.curseforge.net/www/curseforge-packager/mainline" and then "abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error" |
| 11:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | hell, I'm a tank. I have plugins just so I can actually see numbers that I can brag about |
| 11:51.27 | dafire | charon: you broke it! :9 |
| 11:51.40 | nevcairiel | I'm a druid too, so i dont usually heal with big-number heals either |
| 11:51.54 | dafire | it says 500 also if you browse it with a browser |
| 11:51.56 | ZorbaBeta | ah, fair 'nuff. you just get lots of spam of little numbers :P |
| 11:51.58 | dafire | so it's broken |
| 11:52.36 | nevcairiel | however i can produce the biggest crit heals in game compared to other classes |
| 11:52.41 | nevcairiel | i just dont do it =P |
| 11:53.01 | dafire | as a warlock i can produce the biggest crit heals for healers .p |
| 11:53.03 | charon | ckknight: hg.curseforge.net is broken, i can't clone or pull http://hg.curseforge.net/www/curseforge-packager/mainline any more |
| 11:53.11 | nevcairiel | dafire: rogues can too |
| 11:53.15 | dafire | damn |
| 11:53.25 | nevcairiel | they need to spec that, however |
| 11:53.44 | dafire | to bad they changing the warlock shields |
| 11:54.28 | Gnarfoz | crit LoH > you |
| 11:54.43 | sb | ZorbaBeta: do you have some numbers for questhelper? (aka how many completed wotlk quests do you have???? :p) |
| 11:54.46 | nevcairiel | LoH doesnt count |
| 11:54.48 | charon | ckknight: and i won't mind if you put it off till monday, it's distributed after all ;) |
| 11:54.50 | Gnarfoz | pffshh |
| 11:55.09 | ZorbaBeta | sb, I put up a graph a while back, but I don't actually have numbers |
| 11:55.16 | ZorbaBeta | I have relative numbers ;) |
| 11:55.20 | nevcairiel | questing in wotlk is so trivial |
| 11:55.30 | nevcairiel | the hubs are self-contained |
| 11:55.34 | nevcairiel | no cross-hub quests |
| 11:55.38 | nevcairiel | well rarely, anyway |
| 11:55.49 | ZorbaBeta | http://mediabeta.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/4922/10015/locale.png |
| 11:55.57 | ZorbaBeta | it's a little out of date, I have more now |
| 11:56.04 | ZorbaBeta | but I'm not sure what the scale on that bar actually is |
| 11:56.10 | sb | nevcairiel: i dont care for my primary char |
| 11:56.19 | sb | i wont use QH there |
| 11:56.26 | sb | but i will use it for alt-leveling |
| 11:56.31 | nevcairiel | sometimes i think i'm the only person who actually enjoys leveling =P |
| 11:56.42 | ZorbaBeta | I tried enabling the default scale and it told me I had several thousand quests, which I'm pretty sure is incorrect, and I didn't feel like mucking about with the code to figure out what it was doing. so. :) |
| 11:56.49 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah, I'm probably disabling QH on my main for Wrath |
| 11:56.56 | sb | i love to do it one (!) time :p |
| 11:56.58 | Stanzilla | I hate leveling :P |
| 11:56.59 | sb | but thats it ;) |
| 11:57.06 | nevcairiel | I already did it one time |
| 11:57.11 | nevcairiel | short of two zones i skipped |
| 11:57.13 | nevcairiel | and kept for live .) |
| 11:57.32 | ZorbaBeta | I intentionally didn't |
| 11:57.38 | nevcairiel | but my brain is kinda funny that way, done a quest once, i remember it perfectly |
| 11:57.41 | ZorbaBeta | I did three quests to verify that QH was working |
| 11:57.43 | ZorbaBeta | no more :P |
| 11:58.04 | ZorbaBeta | (and two of those were "welcome to northrend, go talk to this dude") |
| 11:59.04 | nevcairiel | maybe thats why i never ever considered QH to be helpful, i do all quests once because i like the story |
| 11:59.12 | nevcairiel | second char i already know all quests and remember them |
| 11:59.19 | nevcairiel | so i can map out my own path pretty efficient |
| 11:59.24 | Grum | Why does CurseClient think i have Bongos3 installed when i havent got that addon? o.O |
| 11:59.40 | ZorbaBeta | I personally really like the mapping thing - I'm tired of placing little markers on my map to figure out the fastest way to get between them |
| 11:59.42 | ZorbaBeta | I hate running around :P |
| 11:59.47 | ZorbaBeta | that's why I like QH, the fastest-path stuff. |
| 11:59.55 | nevcairiel | i never have that problem |
| 12:00.02 | nevcairiel | i can visually optimize stuff pretty good |
| 12:00.09 | ZorbaBeta | also because it's an intellectually interesting problem to work on, but that's why I'm maintaining it, not why I'm using it |
| 12:00.43 | Grum | wth .. why cant i find 'bongos3' on the whole of curse and still it thinks its installed? |
| 12:00.55 | ZorbaBeta | I have some neat data collection ideas that none of the big sites use. we'll see how well they work! :D |
| 12:01.17 | Grum | why does 'find' fail on curse because by manually typing the url http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/bongos3/ it can find it ? o.O |
| 12:01.39 | dafire | i wonder how when they plan to release D3 |
| 12:01.47 | dafire | s/how// |
| 12:01.48 | Grum | i think in a cartboard box |
| 12:02.04 | Grum | when its done; and then 1 month earlier :p |
| 12:02.08 | ZorbaBeta | dafire, it's Blizzard. They'll release it when it's done. :) |
| 12:02.21 | dafire | i wonder when they plan to have it done :) |
| 12:02.22 | Grum | no they release it a month before its done ;) |
| 12:02.28 | ZorbaBeta | (as opposed to Duke Nukem Forever, which has been delayed, and is now scheduled to be released 6 months after it's done) |
| 12:02.47 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 12:02.59 | dafire | they say their when it done thing but i guess vivendi gets better estimates ;) |
| 12:03.00 | Gnarfoz | also, Azshara is a bitch to uncover :( |
| 12:03.16 | ZorbaBeta | I love how there's a little unfinished quest hub in Azshara |
| 12:03.23 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: did you actually play on level 60? =) |
| 12:03.41 | Gnarfoz | uhm yes |
| 12:03.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm playing uninterrupted since march 2005 :) |
| 12:03.51 | Gnarfoz | *i've been |
| 12:03.53 | ZorbaBeta | some of the little unfinished game stubs make me kind of sad |
| 12:04.05 | nevcairiel | how come you never discovered azshara then? =P |
| 12:04.05 | ZorbaBeta | you just know someone had a bunch of ideas for that spot, and never had time to put them in |
| 12:04.10 | Gnarfoz | but I'm switching mains for LK :) |
| 12:04.18 | nevcairiel | that explains stuff |
| 12:04.26 | Gnarfoz | paladin is a post-bc char that I created because rogues sucked SO bad in 2.0 (before 2.1) |
| 12:04.31 | Grum | LOL |
| 12:04.59 | Gnarfoz | 360degree chain cleaves on nearly everything, no CC unless you spec for it... (and then it's in the WRONG TREE for PVE :X) |
| 12:05.02 | nevcairiel | so you are going back to rogue, or what? |
| 12:05.06 | Gnarfoz | seriously, that sucked |
| 12:05.07 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 12:05.16 | Gnarfoz | when I hit 70 on the paladin, 2.1 came out, basically |
| 12:05.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:05.23 | Grum | i just get: 'a directory called xrs has been found' please select which of the 2 addons it should be: 'XRaidStatus (Recommended), XRS (WowAce)' ... i select the first and press 'View Addon information' (orso) and end up on: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/grid-o-ra2-layouts.aspx |
| 12:05.33 | Gnarfoz | so instead of actually going through with it *then* |
| 12:05.35 | Gnarfoz | I went back to the rogue then |
| 12:06.01 | Gnarfoz | I do excel at what rogues do, single target DPS that is, but yes it gets boring after some time ;) |
| 12:06.34 | Grum | is anyone actually using the Curse Client to manage their addons? |
| 12:06.56 | Grum | or did anyone actually effectively made the switch from WAU to Curse Client without running in to all kinds of crap? |
| 12:07.01 | Gnarfoz | not yet, =] |
| 12:07.14 | Gnarfoz | simply running the last versions WAU had, at the moment |
| 12:07.22 | nevcairiel | Grum: for a smooth change, delete addons dir, reinstall addons from CC without import |
| 12:07.23 | Gnarfoz | it still has too many quirks |
| 12:07.24 | ZorbaBeta | grum, I've heard nothing but trouble from the client, although admittedly most of that is due to the client breaking QuestHelper repeatedly |
| 12:07.36 | Grum | nevcairiel: the client just doesnt work |
| 12:07.38 | Gnarfoz | what nev said is the sanest thing to do |
| 12:07.41 | ZorbaBeta | personally I'm staying far away from it |
| 12:07.43 | Grum | its not sane; it takes ages |
| 12:07.50 | Grum | you take over wowace; you provide a way to move over |
| 12:07.59 | ZorbaBeta | it sounds like it's badly designed and painfully buggy. so. |
| 12:08.00 | Gnarfoz | heh, I have premium... or at least I had until yesterday |
| 12:08.02 | Grum | also installing all with externals is a severe downgrade to what wowace was |
| 12:08.17 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 12:08.20 | Grum | i'd like to have premium as well and i will actually get it if the shit is working |
| 12:08.22 | Gnarfoz | disembedding was never for the masses. :P |
| 12:08.33 | nevcairiel | Just update manually Grum, screw you |
| 12:08.34 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:08.42 | Grum | i dont trust the thing |
| 12:08.45 | Grum | it says i have Bongos3 |
| 12:08.48 | Gnarfoz | also "you take over wowace" is bs |
| 12:08.48 | Grum | I DO NOT HAVE IT ON MY PC! >< |
| 12:09.03 | Gnarfoz | they were hosting it for way longer already. |
| 12:09.06 | Grum | Gnarfoz: they didnt takeover wowace? |
| 12:09.12 | Gnarfoz | not now they didn't |
| 12:09.19 | Grum | they now change it |
| 12:09.26 | Gnarfoz | yes =o |
| 12:09.28 | nevcairiel | Curse financed wowace for a few years already |
| 12:09.31 | Grum | you just said wowace had 50tb of traffic; they jsut broken it for all those users :) |
| 12:09.44 | ZorbaBeta | grum, good way to reduce bandwidth costs, at least :) |
| 12:09.45 | Gnarfoz | the hugest chunk of traffic was files.wowace.com |
| 12:09.48 | Gnarfoz | and that's still there right now. |
| 12:10.00 | nevcairiel | Grum: the other option would've been to shut down wowace completly, short of the forums maybe. the traffic was unpayable |
| 12:10.01 | Gnarfoz | so I doubt the traffic has gone down even a notch... |
| 12:10.16 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: meh without updates WAU doesnt do much |
| 12:10.16 | Grum | i'm just curious what their idea is? |
| 12:10.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, but files. works regardless... |
| 12:10.30 | Grum | atm its just plainly broken |
| 12:10.48 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, I still think you could've provided a smarter diff API layer to reduce bandwidth consumption considerably |
| 12:10.51 | Grum | and replacing something working with something which isnt .. is not really userfriendly |
| 12:10.53 | ZorbaBeta | (hell I think you could be doing that now) |
| 12:11.00 | Gnarfoz | Grum: this is wowace, WHO CARES ABOUT USERS :P |
| 12:11.06 | Gnarfoz | (sry, had to.) |
| 12:11.08 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 12:11.11 | Grum | erm .. wowace actually did care :p |
| 12:11.18 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 12:11.22 | Grum | it worked right? ;p |
| 12:11.22 | Gnarfoz | no? wowace hated WAU with a passion |
| 12:11.29 | Gnarfoz | and authors actively did things to fuck users :p |
| 12:11.52 | Gnarfoz | it worked != it was intended to take off like it did ^^ |
| 12:12.03 | Grum | at least it didnt find addons i didn't have; link to completely unrelated pages; just not work as it says on the tin |
| 12:12.17 | Gnarfoz | well, anyway - who made WAU? |
| 12:12.20 | Grum | or break the Blizzard ToU |
| 12:12.28 | Gnarfoz | it wasn't even an official wowace program IIRC |
| 12:12.33 | Grum | i dont know; but compared to the Curse client it made me curse way less |
| 12:12.46 | nevcairiel | its the Curse Client, of course it makes you curse |
| 12:12.50 | Gnarfoz | in the beginning it wasn't that good, either, but... CC is young :) |
| 12:13.13 | Gnarfoz | but this time at least, the updater is from the guys running the site |
| 12:13.15 | Grum | CC should not be live without it actually working or having WAU being able to provide updates |
| 12:13.22 | Gnarfoz | so there's more of a motivation to make it as good as they can |
| 12:13.35 | Grum | yes lol and they didnt even look at a working client when they started making this one o.O |
| 12:13.37 | Gnarfoz | WAU works, too? you just can't get updates anymore because files.* isn't updating itself |
| 12:13.46 | Grum | sigh |
| 12:13.49 | Grum | so WAU is useless right now |
| 12:13.52 | Grum | because the files wont update |
| 12:13.53 | Gnarfoz | sigh indeed! |
| 12:13.56 | nevcairiel | Grum: you're running a pre-release version of CC right now, and you complain its totally broken .. just wait for the next official release :P |
| 12:14.01 | Grum | so this fucking wednesday you are fucked in the poophar |
| 12:14.05 | Gnarfoz | you're making it sound oh-so-easy just because you're annoyed :D |
| 12:14.20 | Grum | no its not easy; WAU broke as well lots of times |
| 12:14.30 | Gnarfoz | and it sometimes took its sweet time to be fixed |
| 12:14.32 | Grum | but right now you had WAU and you get CC ... and CC is broken and WAU is turned off |
| 12:14.35 | Grum | jeej? o.O |
| 12:14.55 | nevcairiel | CC works aceptable if you start with a clean addon dir |
| 12:15.00 | Grum | YES but if you own CC you do not turn of WAU until CC is actually working |
| 12:15.02 | nevcairiel | if you're too lazy, too bad |
| 12:15.05 | Stanzilla | i liek ma manual downloads :D |
| 12:15.32 | Gnarfoz | I'll rebuild my UI on tuesday on beta, anyway |
| 12:15.40 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: my plan exactly |
| 12:15.42 | Gnarfoz | or better, monday |
| 12:15.48 | Gnarfoz | because US patchday is one day earlier than ours :D |
| 12:15.49 | Grum | how to get the right versions then? |
| 12:15.55 | Gnarfoz | manually, probably |
| 12:15.56 | Grum | of addons? |
| 12:16.02 | Gnarfoz | if it's not in a good shape until then |
| 12:16.04 | Grum | how? does curse provide 3.0 addons? |
| 12:16.12 | Gnarfoz | sure? |
| 12:16.15 | Gnarfoz | or go to wowace |
| 12:16.16 | nevcairiel | Grum: its not curse that provides addons |
| 12:16.20 | nevcairiel | the devs do that |
| 12:16.21 | Gnarfoz | worst case: svn |
| 12:16.23 | Grum | Gnarfoz: wowace isnt updated anymore o>O |
| 12:16.29 | Gnarfoz | ermm |
| 12:16.29 | nevcairiel | www.wowace.com |
| 12:16.29 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes * r15 / (5 files in 3 directories): Add tome's quest window |
| 12:16.30 | Gnarfoz | www.wowace.com |
| 12:16.31 | nevcairiel | go suck it |
| 12:16.40 | Gnarfoz | *why* are we talking to you? :( |
| 12:16.53 | Grum | you just said files.wowace isnt updated anymore :p |
| 12:17.02 | Gnarfoz | files != www? |
| 12:17.08 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/ <-- alphas, betas, 3.0 betas. take what you want |
| 12:17.16 | Grum | you didnt say www ;) |
| 12:17.26 | dafire | it's more files ~=www |
| 12:17.27 | Gnarfoz | I said "files" is not updated anymore |
| 12:17.32 | Gnarfoz | "wowace" is not "files" anymore |
| 12:17.41 | Gnarfoz | wowace is now a curseforge + different skin page |
| 12:17.48 | Grum | ok; now i dont get it anymore |
| 12:17.56 | dafire | you never got it |
| 12:17.58 | Gnarfoz | it itself = source of addons + ticket tracking + forums + wiki + etc |
| 12:18.00 | Grum | everyone is complaining files.wowace generated so much traffic |
| 12:18.06 | Grum | but now they keep it online with static files ..... |
| 12:18.13 | nevcairiel | Grum. for the transition |
| 12:18.14 | dafire | no it's different now |
| 12:18.15 | dafire | .9 |
| 12:18.21 | Grum | nevcairiel: what transition? |
| 12:18.30 | Gnarfoz | old wowace, new wowace? |
| 12:18.42 | dafire | wowace integration into curse.com |
| 12:18.52 | Grum | the files are nto changed anymore; what is there to transition? |
| 12:18.59 | Gnarfoz | switch from 'bunch of custom scripts' -> 'curseforge software' |
| 12:19.01 | dafire | the files go to curse.com now |
| 12:19.03 | nevcairiel | you can still get addons from there |
| 12:19.12 | Grum | but you get outdated files right? o.O |
| 12:19.16 | nevcairiel | you dont need daily updates |
| 12:19.19 | Gnarfoz | the files are now on www.wowace.com? and they're updated alright. |
| 12:19.21 | nevcairiel | they still all work fine. |
| 12:19.29 | Grum | until next wednesday |
| 12:19.39 | nevcairiel | not that many addons will actually break. |
| 12:19.44 | Gnarfoz | since authors actually use the new wowace |
| 12:19.48 | Gnarfoz | there are even updated addons for LK. |
| 12:19.52 | Gnarfoz | or 3.0 |
| 12:19.53 | dafire | wowace.com is for developers now... the release files go to curse.com |
| 12:20.03 | Adirelle | Grum: they are still some old projects, but most of the files from files.wowace.com should now show up on curse.com |
| 12:20.06 | Gnarfoz | or if you point people directly to wowace |
| 12:20.10 | Gnarfoz | they too can get stuff from there |
| 12:20.26 | Adirelle | and new files will only be available through the new www.wowace.com and curse.com |
| 12:20.32 | Grum | well just shut down files.wowace.com? its not working anymore and it generates traffic :p |
| 12:20.45 | nevcairiel | it will be shut down sometime |
| 12:20.53 | Gnarfoz | you do remember that the source for EVERYTHING on files.wowace.com (the old svn) was taken and split up and integrated into the new wowace? and that automatically syndicates all release versions to curse.com? :) |
| 12:20.55 | nevcairiel | but for now its a good archive |
| 12:21.03 | Gnarfoz | it's working fine as an archive |
| 12:21.16 | nevcairiel | any sane updater will not generate traffic on it |
| 12:21.59 | Grum | guess they silently love traffic |
| 12:22.30 | Gnarfoz | they love the masses of users that are implied by traffic, I guess. |
| 12:22.41 | Grum | so; does Curse Client touch your WTF/SavedVars? |
| 12:22.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 12:23.33 | Adirelle | beside, maybe, I'm unsure, if the CurseProfiler was installed,then it might upload the collected data |
| 12:23.46 | nevcairiel | yeah it reads the CurseProfiler SV |
| 12:23.48 | nevcairiel | but thats it |
| 12:24.43 | dafire | it installs wow spyware .) |
| 12:25.01 | Adirelle | anyway, I'm somehow tired and I have to tale some na |
| 12:25.09 | Adirelle | p+p |
| 12:25.27 | Adirelle | gah |
| 12:25.28 | Adirelle | bye |
| 12:25.41 | Grum | i'll go do what you said nevc |
| 12:25.49 | Grum | if it then still not works i have reasons to bitch more ;) |
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| 12:26.21 | nevcairiel | someone claimed that JWU works too |
| 12:26.23 | nevcairiel | so *shrug |
| 12:26.29 | Grum | ok; i removed my addons folder from my wowdir; installed an empty one; now it still lists a shitload of addons |
| 12:26.32 | Grum | now? help? |
| 12:26.38 | Grum | *how |
| 12:26.57 | dafire | i think you have to remove the curse save files |
| 12:27.02 | Grum | where? |
| 12:27.03 | nevcairiel | thats supposed to be fixed in an upcoming version, delete some .log file from the CC dir, or manually hit uninstall on all :P |
| 12:27.07 | Grum | and why doesnt 'Refresh' work? |
| 12:27.14 | Grum | kk |
| 12:27.17 | Grum | bug is ok |
| 12:28.39 | Grum | what file to delete? there was an SQLlite file .. i tossed that ... |
| 12:29.02 | nevcairiel | that shouldve done it |
| 12:29.03 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 12:29.07 | Grum | didnt |
| 12:29.37 | dafire | are you looking in your documents and settings applications folder à |
| 12:29.40 | dafire | ? |
| 12:29.42 | nevcairiel | wowaddons.log |
| 12:29.48 | nevcairiel | in the appdata/Curse Client dir |
| 12:29.57 | Grum | ah! |
| 12:30.41 | Grum | C:\Documents and Settings\<user>\Local Settings\Application Data\CurseClient |
| 12:30.45 | Grum | convenient :p .. |
| 12:31.48 | nevcairiel | you might want to set the CC to download beta releases |
| 12:31.52 | nevcairiel | or well |
| 12:31.58 | Grum | i'm not doing it for 3.0 yet |
| 12:31.58 | nevcairiel | it might pick up on some 3.0 versions then :D |
| 12:32.01 | Grum | yeah |
| 12:32.15 | nevcairiel | wonder what happend to free premium |
| 12:32.18 | Grum | sigh please wait 4 seconds .. o.o |
| 12:32.27 | nevcairiel | Grum: are you using .13 still? |
| 12:32.33 | Grum | i reinstalled .13 yeah |
| 12:32.40 | nevcairiel | the delay was supposed to be removed in 14 |
| 12:32.48 | nevcairiel | which wasnt released yet, officially, though |
| 12:33.11 | Gnarfoz | I linked it to him, earlier |
| 12:33.20 | Gnarfoz | alas, free premium for authors was probably never in |
| 12:33.27 | Gnarfoz | was just general premium? for everyone? |
| 12:33.28 | Grum | yeah but i reinstalled .13 |
| 12:33.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: thats not a client thing, though |
| 12:33.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I know, I know... :| |
| 12:33.44 | Gnarfoz | USians are all asleep, though |
| 12:33.44 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 12:33.45 | nevcairiel | they should give free premium to everyone for a week after 3.0 |
| 12:33.48 | Grum | 0.14 actually gives javacsript bugs |
| 12:33.49 | nevcairiel | just to smooth the move .( |
| 12:34.20 | Grum | EEWWWWW it opens internet explorer eventhough my firefox is the defautl browser ;'( |
| 12:34.42 | nevcairiel | heh i hate apps that do that |
| 12:34.47 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't for me? |
| 12:34.50 | Gnarfoz | opens firefox just fine |
| 12:34.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:34.58 | Grum | when i click on a banner btw |
| 12:35.05 | Gnarfoz | ah, I don't click banners. :p |
| 12:35.05 | nevcairiel | eww you clicked a banner |
| 12:35.08 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:35.12 | Grum | not by choice! |
| 12:35.15 | Gnarfoz | the addon info link opens firefox |
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| 12:35.28 | Gnarfoz | but... well, they're using MSHTML for the ads |
| 12:35.29 | nevcairiel | i'll write it on my list for kolie |
| 12:35.32 | Gnarfoz | which is a Bad Idea (tm) |
| 12:35.36 | nevcairiel | maybe he can change it |
| 12:35.40 | dafire | it uses ie to show banners... so you better update all security fixes for ie if you use cc |
| 12:35.45 | Gnarfoz | yay keyloggers via ads in CC |
| 12:35.46 | Grum | you know |
| 12:35.50 | Gnarfoz | dafire: exactly |
| 12:36.05 | nevcairiel | there is no real easy way to display HTML in a app |
| 12:36.10 | nevcairiel | using the IE contorl is the easiest |
| 12:36.11 | Grum | its actually faster to do: 'open website' and then click download, manual, unpack o.O |
| 12:36.12 | Gnarfoz | they're using wxwidgets already, why not use webkit or something :\ |
| 12:36.17 | Gnarfoz | ie control on mac? |
| 12:36.23 | Gnarfoz | they have to have something in place for mac, anyway |
| 12:36.36 | nevcairiel | wxwidgets takes care of that, anyway |
| 12:36.41 | nevcairiel | it uses a native lib |
| 12:36.46 | dafire | nevcairiel: that's wrong.. wxwidgets has a html widget |
| 12:36.55 | dafire | but it can't display flash and fancy stuff |
| 12:37.02 | dafire | so i guess it's not an option |
| 12:37.29 | Grum | sigh |
| 12:37.31 | nevcairiel | Grum: yeah well that damn delay is gone next version |
| 12:37.42 | Grum | 'Find an addon' doesnt show if you happen to have installed that addon already |
| 12:37.43 | nevcairiel | and in premium its pretty smooth |
| 12:37.58 | nevcairiel | make a suggestion =P |
| 12:38.02 | Grum | well, fun part is that without premium you cannot install more than 1 addon at the same time |
| 12:38.05 | Grum | i will nev; i will |
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| 12:38.26 | nevcairiel | anyway i'm out for an hour or so |
| 12:38.27 | Grum | also those stupid pop-up boxes in the right bottom of your screen are ANNOYING |
| 12:38.29 | dafire | i thought they fixed that you can go on testserver with a beta account |
| 12:38.44 | nevcairiel | dafire: i could |
| 12:38.54 | dafire | it only showed me colderra |
| 12:39.12 | Grum | also; where is the option to have sane dates! |
| 12:39.16 | nevcairiel | dafire: use ptr client :p |
| 12:39.17 | Grum | i dont want MM/DD/YYYY |
| 12:39.30 | nevcairiel | dafire: or change the server list |
| 12:39.31 | Grum | use my bloody locale! i didnt set it up for no reason |
| 12:39.33 | Gnarfoz | iso dates ftw |
| 12:39.37 | dafire | with the ptr client... and then it told me that i miss the wotlk files .9 |
| 12:39.38 | Grum | indeed |
| 12:39.43 | Grum | no stupid fail dates |
| 12:39.43 | dafire | whatever i use beta now :) |
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| 12:39.55 | nevcairiel | dafire: btw, PTR and Beta are not on the same patch revision anymore |
| 12:39.59 | nevcairiel | beta is 9056 or so |
| 12:40.00 | nevcairiel | er |
| 12:40.02 | nevcairiel | PTR is |
| 12:40.03 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 12:40.15 | Gnarfoz | obviously, beta was going to overtake PTR at some point |
| 12:41.24 | Grum | we need an extra colum showing which directory is getting installed! |
| 12:41.47 | dafire | i wished all authors would merge there ptr versions now.. and don't wait until patchday |
| 12:41.48 | Grum | so you dont get people calling their addon 'BigWigs' and having a laugh when you visit a barber to make a bigwig on your head! |
| 12:41.58 | dafire | s/there/their/ |
| 12:42.24 | orionshock | dafire: realistically if it is working on beta, then it is viable for PTR.. |
| 12:42.26 | Repo | [WAR] 10libstats2: 03pwerelds * r2 / (15 files in 7 directories): Initial commit. |
| 12:42.27 | Repo | * Check the project page at http://war.curseforge.com/projects/libstats2/ for a bit of info |
| 12:42.29 | Repo | * Use the ticket system for suggestions/ideas, or catch me on IRC, you'll find me in #WARUIDev (Freenode) as Werelds. |
| 12:42.55 | dafire | orionshock: yes.. i mean with the live version .. so you can start updating your addons now .) |
| 12:43.55 | orionshock | hehe, i already have... sorta, i cloned my mainline repo to a wotlk-branch repo and developed there. tho.. i do have one problem.. i'm gonna need to get an admin to switch the 2 at one point. or ghetto move my wotlk trunk to mainline trunk... |
| 12:43.57 | orionshock | >.> |
| 12:44.27 | dafire | use git... there you can pull from whatever repo you want and merge |
| 12:44.41 | orionshock | im not going to use git |
| 12:44.44 | orionshock | i is simple |
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| 12:46.28 | Pneumatus | you should be able to merge your branch into trunk with svn too |
| 12:46.41 | dafire | when it's on a different repository ? |
| 12:46.45 | orionshock | won't be able to keep history, because in effect they are different repos |
| 12:47.02 | orionshock | i can ghetto merge.. but i loose direct history.. |
| 12:47.13 | dafire | I'll use git just because it's so easy to move your repository somewhere else if necessary ;) |
| 12:47.41 | Pneumatus | ah, in that case i think you need to dump an svn log and probably get an admin to merge it in or something |
| 12:47.49 | Pneumatus | if you want to preserve history |
| 12:48.06 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes 041.2-beta * r17 : Add quest interaction and tome windows |
| 12:48.07 | Repo | Big refactor |
| 12:48.20 | dafire | it get's worse if you work in both repositorys the same time .9 |
| 12:48.24 | Repo | [WAR] 10miniworldmap: 03silverq * r4 / (3 files in 2 directories): Added toggle button |
| 12:48.34 | orionshock | if i wana do that, i might as well just donate 100$, and then ask for that Pneumatus |
| 12:49.19 | Pneumatus | or you could just ghetto merge and preserve the original branch for your revision history |
| 12:49.21 | orionshock | dafire: nope, development froze at r51, i might have taged it, then cloned then started in on wrath changes. |
| 12:49.48 | Repo | [WAR] 10miniworldmap: 03silverq 041.1 * r5 : Tagging as 1.1 |
| 12:49.55 | orionshock | Pneumatus: i think asking ck or kael to just switch repos around is easier because the wrath branch has all the original history in it. |
| 12:49.58 | Pneumatus | or manually check out each branch revision and commit each one |
| 12:50.15 | orionshock | Pneumatus: ya, fk that... |
| 12:50.24 | Pneumatus | :> |
| 12:54.26 | orionshock | thinking of.. |
| 12:54.50 | orionshock | ckknight: how bad / hard would it be to swap the mainline repo on a project with it's clone? |
| 12:58.58 | nevcairiel | easy, he just has to do it |
| 12:59.30 | orionshock | oh.. well in a week or 2 i'll ask, if there is time |
| 12:59.36 | orionshock | after 3.0 hits or so |
| 12:59.59 | nevcairiel | so 4 days |
| 13:00.23 | orionshock | ... |
| 13:00.43 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes 041.2-release * r18 : Add quest interaction and tome windows |
| 13:00.44 | Repo | Big refactor |
| 13:00.44 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:03.28 | orionshock | & tbh, i think i did pritty good with my wrath branch.. it's a "feature-complete" addon atm. |
| 13:04.01 | orionshock | and the code IMO is alot better than the original stuff. |
| 13:04.15 | orionshock | no more AceOptions table with 300+ checkboxes in it :\ |
| 13:05.43 | Pneumatus | which reminds me |
| 13:05.52 | Pneumatus | i need to convince my new guild to start using guildcraft at some point |
| 13:06.01 | Pneumatus | seeing as all the people in my current version are from a guild im no longer in :> |
| 13:06.15 | orionshock | hehe... in 3.0 people in the guild don't even need the mod |
| 13:06.32 | Pneumatus | they just need to link their tradeskills? |
| 13:06.48 | orionshock | yep, they link it, you open it and == boom insta add |
| 13:07.11 | Pneumatus | i assume it will still sync as well though |
| 13:07.17 | Pneumatus | for those with it installed |
| 13:07.26 | orionshock | just be careful, if you don't get all their links in one stint, it acts weird.. |
| 13:07.46 | Pneumatus | will it allow you to add non-guild tradelinks to the db? |
| 13:07.51 | orionshock | Pneumatus: automatically, no more selecting what to share or even opening the trade window. |
| 13:08.05 | orionshock | unfortunately the add-by-link is locked to in guild.. |
| 13:08.08 | orionshock | atm |
| 13:08.29 | Pneumatus | would be nice if it would accept anyone's links at some point anyway :) |
| 13:08.55 | orionshock | in early versions before i was able to decode the links it did.. i need to go rip that rev out and re create it. |
| 13:12.33 | Grum | reinstally my addons with Curse Client increases the AddOns folder with 15mb o.o .. free 25% that wow has to parse extra ftw |
| 13:13.12 | Lukian | Grum, uh yeah, because it doesn't support nolib yet? :p |
| 13:13.34 | nevcairiel | I'll just always use svn if possible |
| 13:13.37 | nevcairiel | or Git for that matter |
| 13:13.47 | Repo | [WoW] 10goingprice_allakhazam: 03Neikos * r242 / (2 files in 1 directory): Updating to version 2.4.1223730776 |
| 13:13.49 | Repo | [WoW] 10goingprice_allakhazam: 03Neikos 042.4.1223730776 * r243 : Tagging version 2.4.1223730776 |
| 13:14.19 | Grum | humz suddenly combuctor gives an error as well ;"( |
| 13:14.24 | orionshock | nevcairiel: how do u tag in git? is there like a directory you tag to?? |
| 13:14.48 | nevcairiel | git tag -a <name here> |
| 13:14.51 | Grum | ah .... |
| 13:14.51 | Grum | ## Interface: 30000 |
| 13:15.00 | Grum | why does CurseClient download 3.0 files? |
| 13:15.00 | orionshock | humm... |
| 13:15.15 | orionshock | Grum: b/c that addon is a 3.0 addon not a 2.4 |
| 13:15.19 | nevcairiel | Grum: because some author posted it as release |
| 13:15.34 | nevcairiel | Grum: soem times addons work for both, and the author increased the .toc already |
| 13:15.35 | Pneumatus | either that or someone already commited a 3.0 to their repo and tagged it |
| 13:15.36 | nevcairiel | who knows! |
| 13:15.43 | Grum | sigh ..... |
| 13:15.46 | Grum | FAIL! |
| 13:15.48 | nevcairiel | its the authors fault =P |
| 13:15.53 | Grum | i need a 'what toc does this release have' |
| 13:16.08 | nevcairiel | 30000 .toc works fine on 2.4 |
| 13:16.13 | nevcairiel | if the mod is compatible for both |
| 13:16.21 | Grum | it errors |
| 13:16.22 | Grum | so it is not |
| 13:16.23 | nevcairiel | (fine as in needs Load out of Date) |
| 13:16.26 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 13:16.30 | nevcairiel | which mod? |
| 13:16.32 | Pneumatus | you need to enable out of date, which 90% of people have enabled anyway |
| 13:16.33 | Grum | so the author fails |
| 13:16.35 | Grum | Combuctor |
| 13:16.49 | Grum | it dies in a flaming ball of fail :P |
| 13:17.05 | nevcairiel | yeah tuller only has the 3.0 version up |
| 13:17.08 | Grum | funny |
| 13:17.10 | Pneumatus | Combuctor doesnt have any pre-3.0 files |
| 13:17.12 | nevcairiel | he never actually released it before |
| 13:17.13 | Grum | so it just downloads beta? |
| 13:17.21 | Grum | eventhough i never said it should? |
| 13:17.23 | Grum | F A I L |
| 13:17.29 | nevcairiel | if it doesnt find any release file, it goes down a level |
| 13:17.33 | nevcairiel | its a feature, not a bug :p |
| 13:17.47 | Grum | thats a bug |
| 13:17.52 | nevcairiel | no, its intended |
| 13:17.53 | Grum | or it should show that it does it |
| 13:18.01 | Grum | it should show it will install the beta |
| 13:18.07 | Grum | and that it is for TOC 30000 |
| 13:18.20 | Grum | so more information would make it a feature |
| 13:18.23 | Grum | notes it down |
| 13:18.27 | Grum | more ticketmaking later :) |
| 13:19.19 | nevcairiel | are you on .14 now or still 13? |
| 13:19.35 | Grum | 13 |
| 13:19.44 | Grum | using the thing people use now :) |
| 13:19.52 | Grum | and i just wasted 15mb of loading time :( |
| 13:20.48 | orionshock | Grum: if no one ever told you about the speed and disembedded libs, would you care? |
| 13:21.19 | orionshock | *..about the load speed still? |
| 13:21.26 | Grum | did wowace have it? yes; should curse have it? yes |
| 13:21.32 | Grum | do i notice? yes |
| 13:21.43 | Grum | how can you notice it unless you know the difference? |
| 13:21.53 | Grum | LibCrayon-3.0\LibCrayon-3.0.lua:243: Obsolete library registered. Crayon-2.0 is already registered at version 52899. You are trying to register version 33000. ... huh? :p |
| 13:22.00 | orionshock | if no one ever told you the correlation would you still care about the load speed? |
| 13:22.37 | Grum | no-one ever told me the correlation; my brain just deducted: 'less files to parse equals to more less time wasted' |
| 13:22.46 | Grum | s/more // |
| 13:23.20 | orionshock | meh... |
| 13:23.29 | orionshock | in that case, your just cursed... |
| 13:24.09 | Grum | because my brain works? |
| 13:24.10 | orionshock | and btw Grum, that error means that you have a dated lib somewhere and that some author ( ckknight ?) didn't write Crayon-3.0 |
| 13:24.18 | orionshock | 's compat correctly ? |
| 13:24.35 | Grum | i have no idea; XRS came with LibCrayon-3.0 |
| 13:24.40 | Grum | as I just found out |
| 13:24.42 | Grum | no idea why |
| 13:24.55 | Grum | other than that there is no LibCrayon on my system |
| 13:25.02 | Grum | so i have no idea why it breaks :P |
| 13:25.12 | orionshock | right.. re read the error and think about it.. |
| 13:25.30 | Grum | i just did a search for libcrayon; there is nothing :( |
| 13:25.42 | Grum | oh wait; old libs might not have a lib prefix |
| 13:25.44 | orionshock | Crayon-2.0 is already registered at version <New>. You are trying to register version <Old>. |
| 13:26.13 | orionshock | and LibCrayon3 had a v2 compat layer in it too.. |
| 13:26.21 | Grum | meh clash ftl |
| 13:26.28 | orionshock | yep.. |
| 13:27.12 | orionshock | time to sleep |
| 13:27.12 | orionshock | night all |
| 13:27.12 | Grum | so erm; this error doesnt make sense; why doesit it just load 3.0 and put a compatlayer in place? |
| 13:29.22 | Grum | LOL! |
| 13:29.37 | Grum | it does try to do it but it does a AceLibrary:Register(Crayon20, "Crayon-2.0", MINOR_VERSION*1000) .... |
| 13:29.43 | Grum | 1000 should be a higher number to make it work ... |
| 13:30.24 | Grum | changing it to 2000 and it worked hehe |
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| 13:31.56 | nevcairiel | I'll try to fix that issue on all libs later today |
| 13:32.00 | nevcairiel | just didnt get around to it yet |
| 13:32.28 | nevcairiel | its only about 2000 mouse clicks i have to do :/ |
| 13:34.16 | Grum | ckknight: in libcrayon-3.0 please do the 'AceLibrary'-register call for 2.0 support with a higher number than 1000; 2000 will do the trick; the last 2.0 rev was 52899; see also http://www.wowace.com/projects/libcrayon-3-0/tickets/1-backwards-compat-is-broken/ |
| 13:34.29 | Grum | ah well its reported and hilited; he'll fix it! ;) |
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| 13:45.19 | Repo | [WAR] 10lib_surveyor: 03Nevir27 * r7 LibSurveyor.lua: Fixing the totally broken CreatePin in regard to pin types |
| 13:46.07 | Repo | [WAR] 10lib_surveyor: 03Nevir27 04v0.12 * r8 : Pin type was all effed up in create pin - fixing that |
| 13:50.49 | nevcairiel | Grum: that issue is already fixed in the lib |
| 13:51.03 | nevcairiel | your addon just bundled an old one |
| 13:51.21 | Grum | that is even worse |
| 13:51.28 | Grum | why does it do that? |
| 13:51.54 | nevcairiel | because tagged releases never repack |
| 13:52.06 | Grum | if you bundle libs then on updates it should update |
| 13:52.10 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:52.18 | Grum | erm ... |
| 13:52.24 | nevcairiel | it should keep the version you tested it with |
| 13:52.37 | nevcairiel | and thats what it does |
| 13:52.51 | Grum | there needs to be a better way to make these things update somehow |
| 13:53.05 | nevcairiel | the error you have is because you installed one addon that still had the "old wowace" version of Crayon-2.0 |
| 13:53.10 | Grum | because right now the update path would be that every author has to monitor all the libs they use and manually press update |
| 13:53.13 | Stanzilla | oh, jörg haider died, go party sag_ich_nicht |
| 13:53.33 | nevcairiel | Grum: you only need to update if it was broken |
| 13:53.46 | Grum | does the author get a warning when a lib they depend on gets an update? |
| 13:53.50 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:53.52 | Grum | if so then the author was just late or slacking |
| 13:53.53 | Grum | that sucks |
| 13:54.04 | nevcairiel | you dont have to update your addon for every lib update |
| 13:54.08 | Grum | how can you know which version got packed with your release? |
| 13:54.08 | nevcairiel | if it works, then just keep it |
| 13:54.12 | profalbert | Grum: the author can subscribe to the lib-projects |
| 13:54.31 | Grum | i think there should be an interface that just shows upgrades compared with your release |
| 13:54.34 | nevcairiel | Grum: in the second you press "Tag" you get whats in trunk |
| 13:54.39 | Grum | that would make it obvious which stuff has been updated |
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| 13:55.30 | Grum | or actually; i think every one should be able to see which versions of a lib the release got packed with and maybe a 'report' button to make sure they can inform the author of a lib upgrade that needs to be included in the release; so he can repackage it |
| 13:56.10 | nevcairiel | I repeat: if your addon works, you dont need the latest lib |
| 13:56.16 | Grum | can you actually decided as an author you do want the updated version of libA but not libB ? or does it just pack 'whatever the current state is' when you smack release? :) |
| 13:56.19 | nevcairiel | and most authors use their own stuff |
| 13:56.35 | nevcairiel | Grum: it gets most recent of everything right now |
| 13:56.43 | Grum | mmm that seems suboptimal |
| 13:56.55 | nevcairiel | its always been like that |
| 13:57.03 | Grum | yeah true |
| 13:57.03 | profalbert | you can point to the tags in the .pkgmeta, right? |
| 13:57.11 | Adirelle | profalbert: yes |
| 13:57.14 | nevcairiel | profalbert. for svn you can, yes |
| 13:57.28 | Grum | profalbert: so that would give you a limit to a certain version if its on svn; that might be a workable workaround |
| 13:57.55 | nevcairiel | Grum: except that now the author can control that, you dont get automated updates of libs that might break your addon |
| 13:58.05 | Grum | yeah that is fine |
| 13:58.22 | profalbert | except when the CC supports disembedded sometime |
| 13:58.32 | Grum | but it would be nice to be able to get an overview of which lib-version got packed so it can be compared to the current lib-versions; so the author can easily see what has been changed and if that would affect him. |
| 13:58.37 | nevcairiel | well disembed users are on their own anyway |
| 13:58.56 | nevcairiel | meh devs that care idle on irc and pay attention |
| 13:59.04 | nevcairiel | most libs dont change anymore these days |
| 13:59.08 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 13:59.18 | nevcairiel | we need smarter rss feeds |
| 14:00.17 | profalbert | well. Threat-2.0 would have been a real problem |
| 14:00.37 | nevcairiel | so once a week we wouldve retagged Omen |
| 14:00.38 | profalbert | imagine omen back then w/o lib-updates |
| 14:01.18 | profalbert | hmm, right no problem with a maintained mod |
| 14:01.52 | nevcairiel | I _think_ Alphas are supposed to be rebuild |
| 14:01.56 | nevcairiel | but its not in yet |
| 14:02.00 | nevcairiel | or turned off |
| 14:02.03 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 14:02.05 | Grum | yeah; it would just be nice if you could retroactively see what revisions of libs ended up in a release |
| 14:02.28 | Grum | would be at least nice for the author :) |
| 14:02.30 | ckknight | hey all |
| 14:03.25 | profalbert | but what if I made modB which works lib libC-24, but is broke with libC-25, but another modA loads libC-25 before modB is loaded |
| 14:03.55 | vhaarr | then the person who made libC is an idiot |
| 14:04.24 | nevcairiel | lib changes shouldnt break any existing functionality |
| 14:04.30 | nevcairiel | if they do, the lib author is really an idiot |
| 14:05.17 | profalbert | well maybe libC had a bug in 24 that was fixed in 25, modA had a workaround that is broken with 25 |
| 14:05.41 | nevcairiel | then you should fix your mod :p |
| 14:06.52 | profalbert | indeed |
| 14:07.19 | nevcairiel | or notify the lib author yourself and make sure its fixed before you release your mod |
| 14:07.48 | profalbert | what I want to say is: it's not that useful to pack old libs because they are the ones the mod was tested with |
| 14:08.03 | profalbert | it is useful for bandwidth-purposes ofc |
| 14:08.29 | nevcairiel | well at least your mod works if someone just downloads it |
| 14:08.36 | nevcairiel | now consider your mod got the 25 itself |
| 14:08.41 | nevcairiel | so it wouldnt even work alone |
| 14:09.14 | profalbert | but it also means more weird tickets, with comments like "works fine for me" ;) |
| 14:09.37 | nevcairiel | thats why i use svn myself, and just fix errors directly in the alphas :) |
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| 14:14.22 | ckknight | vhaarr: fixed hg.curseforge.net |
| 14:16.19 | vhaarr | cool perhaps I can try it then, when I'm done converting all my addons |
| 14:16.37 | vhaarr | there's no way I can do that + get LDB support in FuBar for 3.0 |
| 14:17.15 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles * r16 / (4 files in 2 directories): ShockAndAwe: - |
| 14:17.16 | Repo | Version 2.71 |
| 14:17.17 | Repo | Added German translations thanks to Bekeon on wowinterface.com |
| 14:22.13 | Stanzilla | Grum: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=241344#post241344 |
| 14:22.14 | Stanzilla | :D |
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| 15:34.48 | Repo | [WoW] 10luggage: 03Nimbal 04v1.06 * r50 : Tagging as v1.06. |
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| 16:01.05 | Adirelle | ckknight: any clue on http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14406 ? or is it the field of action of Kaelten or netcurse ? |
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| 16:53.27 | Repo | ShockAndAwe: - |
| 16:53.27 | Repo | Version 2.71 |
| 16:53.30 | Repo | Added German translations thanks to Bekeon on wowinterface.com |
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| 17:12.42 | Repo | Version 2.81 |
| 17:12.44 | Repo | Fixed spark point to no longer be offset by its width on GCD bar |
| 17:13.33 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles 04v2.81 * r20 : ShockAndAwe: - |
| 17:13.34 | Repo | Release to Curse of v2.81 |
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| 18:14.19 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:53] <Stanzilla> oh, jörg haider died, go party sag_ich_nicht <--uh no |
| 18:14.26 | sag_ich_nicht | there can only come worse ppl after him |
| 18:14.34 | sag_ich_nicht | maybe ppl that unite the BZÃ back with the FPÃ |
| 18:14.40 | sag_ich_nicht | and then we're fucked |
| 18:14.51 | Stanzilla | would be funny :P |
| 18:16.20 | sag_ich_nicht | NOT |
| 18:21.13 | Repo | [WAR] 10nrarity: 03Nemes * r29 NRarity.mod: Add dependencies |
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| 19:19.04 | nevcairiel | ckknight: Git branch commits make it repack the master and reupload the same file again, lol |
| 19:19.10 | nevcairiel | ckknight: example: http://www.wowace.com/projects/bartender4/files/ |
| 19:19.34 | Repo | [WoW] 10ouf_dafire: 03dafire 07master * v0.1b2-2-g5607036 oUF_Dafire.toc: [+1 commit] disable the externals for now |
| 19:23.29 | nevcairiel | stops branch commits |
| 19:23.34 | nevcairiel | or pushes rather |
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| 19:27.45 | nevcairiel | eww forced push |
| 19:28.24 | dafire | yeah :( i tried gitX and name / email settings were wrong .9 |
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| 19:43.03 | Repo | Fixed: Forgot to include a reset to the internal monitoring of which slots have already been added to the list. Making sells at later points impossible. |
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| 19:57.31 | Repo | [WoW] 10drag-queen: 03piranther * r15 / (9 files in 4 directories): |
| 19:57.31 | Repo | - Merge the 30000 branch with trunk. This revision is now meant to work with wow 3.0.2. It still works with 2.4 but requires that you "load out of date interfaces". None of the NEW frames are supported YET. But it appears all the old stuff is working again. |
| 19:58.38 | Repo | [WAR] 10nstancehighlighter: 03Nemes * r15 NStanceHighlighter.lua: |
| 19:58.39 | Repo | Fix error that occurs when a non-stance using toon uses NSH for the first time |
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| 20:00.07 | Repo | - oops! Remove accidental commit of AceEvent-3.0 and add AceEvent-3.0 to my svn:externals |
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| 20:16.03 | Repo | Add Bank, Guild Vault, Trade, Auction House, Merchant, Mail and Backpack List View |
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| 21:32.31 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, ckknight, I pushed a new version of Questhelper about a day ago and it still hasn't shown up on the website. Suggestions? |
| 21:32.50 | nevcairiel | blame that suckers going to blizzcon and not fixing the page :P |
| 21:32.55 | ckknight | hrm, lemme try something |
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| 22:11.04 | Aiiane | (14:34:48) ckknight: hrm, lemme try something |
| 22:11.07 | Aiiane | head for the hills |
| 22:11.20 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:11.34 | nevcairiel | fix the git packager, qq! or at least take a note and fix it on monday =) |
| 22:12.59 | waallen | is there the reason for which bartender4 latest push isn't downloadable yet? |
| 22:13.28 | nevcairiel | the push was to a branch |
| 22:13.31 | nevcairiel | branches dont pack |
| 22:13.42 | waallen | alright |
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| 22:29.38 | Repo | Version 2.82 |
| 22:29.39 | Repo | Fixed GCD bar visible by default on entering world |
| 22:29.43 | Repo | Fixed missing French localisation entries (still needing translation) |
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| 22:57.56 | Repo | Release v2.90 to Curse |
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