| 00:00.53 | sag_ich_nicht | stabs people at random |
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| 00:36.30 | Repo | [WAR] 10huduf: 03Metaphaze * r19 HUDUFSlashCommands.lua: Double-check that our libslash functions subscribed |
| 00:36.32 | Repo | and if not just register manually. Change loading |
| 00:36.35 | Repo | string slightly for more feedback to me. |
| 00:38.13 | Repo | [WAR] 10huduf: 03Metaphaze 04HUDUF v1.01 * r20 : |
| 00:38.14 | Repo | Small change to libslash registration to hopefully correct an issue a couple people are having. |
| 00:38.16 | Repo | Tagging as HUDUF v1.01. |
| 00:43.52 | Repo | [WAR] 10huduf: 03Metaphaze 04HUDUF v1.01 Release * r21 : |
| 00:43.54 | Repo | Misunderstood rules for what counts as a release on war.curse.com This is the same as v1.01 but has the word release in it so it should be updated on war.curse |
| 00:43.57 | Repo | Tagging as HUDUF v1.01 Release. |
| 01:16.54 | Ackis | ughs |
| 01:16.56 | Ackis | I hurt so much |
| 01:17.03 | Ackis | and the GF just bought a puppy |
| 01:21.24 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
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| 01:52.24 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod * r26 / (3 files in 1 directory): *fixed typo which made bin sizes much smaller than intended |
| 01:52.25 | Repo | *removed mod file for easily embedding; (simple file entry in mod needed to embed) |
| 01:52.30 | Repo | *fixed bug in periodic latch allowing double execs after the latch is reopened |
| 01:52.36 | Repo | *better memory usage/cleaned up leftover variables; updated debug messages to be clearer |
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| 02:35.26 | Zhinjio | guh |
| 02:40.23 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod 04zTime v0.6r1 * r27 : Tagging as zTime v0.6r1. |
| 02:42.21 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztimelib: 03zMod 04zTime v0.6 * r28 : Tagging as zTime v0.6. |
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| 02:52.14 | Repo | [WAR] 10ztweaks: 03zMod * r14 / (3 files in 1 directory): embedded ztimelib for easier usage |
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| 03:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | ganks his guild leader |
| 03:21.16 | sag_ich_nicht | lol zombies. |
| 03:21.23 | sag_ich_nicht | actually |
| 03:21.25 | sag_ich_nicht | not guild leader |
| 03:21.26 | sag_ich_nicht | raid leader |
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| 03:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 03:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | so |
| 03:47.34 | sag_ich_nicht | I just went up to kalcegos |
| 03:47.36 | sag_ich_nicht | alone. |
| 03:47.37 | sag_ich_nicht | as zombie. |
| 03:47.41 | sag_ich_nicht | he didn't like that. |
| 03:47.42 | sag_ich_nicht | :3 |
| 03:59.50 | Repo | [WoW] 10broker_guildcraft: 03CodeRedLin 07master * d0cd1c6 / (3 files in 1 directory): [new] |
| 04:00.25 | Repo | [WAR] 10moth: 03Astika * r25 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 04:00.26 | Repo | some additional donotwant code to hide MouseOverTarget + DefaultTooltip windows for mouseover objects |
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| 06:44.47 | charon | morning |
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| 08:06.56 | Aiiane | a belated good morning to you, cha |
| 08:06.59 | Aiiane | *charon |
| 08:07.08 | Aiiane | (damn you, ChanServ!) |
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| 08:21.13 | Aiiane | on a side note, implementing BLAST in python is fun and easy. |
| 08:26.25 | charon | goes for pretty much anything in python ;) |
| 08:32.09 | Grum | charon: except for finding out what funny name a module has which you need ;) |
| 08:32.09 | Aiiane | yeah... one of the things I particularly love being able to do is just "if x in y:" |
| 08:38.03 | Grum | Aiiane: 'x' a value 'y' a list orso? |
| 08:40.00 | charon | actually, 'y' has to implement __contains__, that's it |
| 08:40.08 | charon | lists work, but hashes or sets are faster |
| 08:40.28 | charon | the string version does substring search |
| 08:42.44 | Grum | :) |
| 08:42.57 | Aiiane | nods |
| 08:43.26 | Aiiane | I forget charon |
| 08:43.42 | Aiiane | does __contains__ for a dict search keys or values? |
| 08:43.47 | charon | keys |
| 08:43.52 | Aiiane | that's what I thought |
| 08:44.11 | charon | if you need to search a dict for values, you're probably doing it wrong ;) |
| 08:44.12 | Aiiane | and since dict is basically a glorified hash table |
| 08:44.14 | Aiiane | yeah |
| 08:44.15 | Aiiane | heh |
| 08:44.24 | charon | dict _is_ a hash table, no glory there |
| 08:44.51 | Aiiane | well, glorified in the syntactic sugar sense |
| 08:45.04 | charon | hehe |
| 08:45.30 | Grum | so how easily can you nest dicts? :) |
| 08:45.47 | Aiiane | very easily |
| 08:46.20 | Aiiane | a = { { "foo": "bar" }, "morefoo":"morebar" } |
| 08:46.28 | Aiiane | er, forgot a key |
| 08:46.38 | Aiiane | a = { "fufu":{ "foo": "bar" }, "morefoo":"morebar" } |
| 08:46.43 | Grum | and to access "bar" you do? |
| 08:46.49 | Aiiane | a["fufu"]["foo"] |
| 08:47.05 | Grum | easy enough indeed :) |
| 08:47.22 | Grum | keys are strings or can be anything? |
| 08:47.29 | Aiiane | anything iirc |
| 08:47.39 | charon | anything that implements __hash__, which means no "mutable objects" |
| 08:47.41 | Aiiane | well, there might be some requirement |
| 08:47.42 | Aiiane | yeah |
| 08:47.54 | Aiiane | but effectively anything that you'd want to make a key, generally |
| 08:47.59 | Grum | a function? |
| 08:48.04 | Aiiane | if you're using dicts as keys, you're doing it wrong |
| 08:48.11 | Grum | not nessasarely |
| 08:48.14 | charon | functions and custom classes test for identity by default, so they're not mutable and can hash |
| 08:48.28 | charon | (whereas lists and dicts test for equality) |
| 08:48.52 | charon | strings are immutable by design, and there's the immutable-version-of-list type 'tuple' if you need a more complicated key |
| 08:49.40 | charon | there's also an immutable set type, and i suppose you could easily find or make an immutable dict type, but i've never needed either and i've done a fair bit of python coding |
| 08:50.39 | charon | (the "contract" being that objects that test __eq__() must also __hash__() the same, and __hash__() must never change across the lifetime of the object) |
| 08:53.10 | Grum | static flt :p |
| 08:53.37 | charon | ? |
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| 09:19.38 | Repo | [WoW] 10guild-log: 03Dridzt 06dridzts-clone 041.4-30000-release * r3 : Tagging as 1.4-30000-release. |
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| 09:27.27 | Repo | [WoW] 10rpb-20: 03Asuah * r10 / (4 files in 1 directory): Debuffs are now trackable. |
| 09:37.22 | Repo | [WoW] 10rpb-20: 03Asuah 042.1.0 * r11 : |
| 09:37.23 | Repo | Added debuff support, can now track Rupture, Poisons, Blade Twisting, Expose Armor. |
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| 09:52.38 | Repo | 24d39ad: - If have more 2 second between 2 frame update, clock callback is called one timne with new time (and not 1 for every second) |
| 09:52.42 | Repo | d7735a8: - #1 (date local variable is added) |
| 09:52.57 | Aiiane | ffs |
| 09:53.07 | Aiiane | why are there 8 copies of Necrosis in the curseforge approval queue |
| 09:54.32 | Grum | someone was in a hurry? |
| 10:07.22 | Repo | [WAR] 10libdatetime: 03Garko 07master * beta-0.4.1-1-g4d3e55c LibDateTime.lua: [+1 commit] - #2 (resolve problem with format string) |
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| 11:55.43 | Repo | Fix for characters that had not unlocked opposing team subtypes. |
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| 11:56.27 | charon | was that just a commit to a tag? |
| 11:57.34 | charon | oh, nm, just a funny message. |
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| 13:29.06 | netcurse | back in america ;) |
| 13:34.11 | charon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.24 | charon | because it's harder to fake one if you write it in camel case. |
| 13:43.13 | Elkano | poor you |
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| 14:03.33 | Grum | charon: its more unique =) |
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| 14:05.19 | ashb | the texture for minimap icons should be in one of hte .mpq's somewhere right? |
| 14:05.48 | Grum | yes |
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| 14:34.32 | ashb | it will still be called Interface/Minimap/POIICONS (give or take case)? |
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| 14:46.47 | ashb | i can't see most/any of the UI textures actual;ly |
| 14:46.54 | ashb | i must be looking in the wrong place |
| 14:51.16 | ashb | ah in the obvious enGB/locale-enGB.MPQ |
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| 15:14.33 | ashb | ah they poiicons is now 256x256 instead of 128x128 |
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| 16:05.18 | Elkano | hmpf.. why does CC fail to download EBB for me :/ |
| 16:06.18 | Elkano | ah, ok zip file damaged... |
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| 16:12.50 | Qanik | anybody else having the problem that the curse client is not recognizing any installed addons? |
| 16:19.51 | Elkano | netcurse, ckknight, ... ping? |
| 16:19.58 | ckknight | howdy, Elkano |
| 16:20.00 | ckknight | how are you? |
| 16:20.30 | Elkano | fine in theory though I've got a bug with syndication to curse... |
| 16:20.43 | Elkano | the file at wowace works fine, the one at curse doesn't |
| 16:20.45 | ckknight | k, what's not syndicating right? |
| 16:21.03 | Elkano | ebb |
| 16:21.33 | Elkano | tryed to resyndicate by setting it back to alpha and then again to release but that didn't work |
| 16:21.41 | ckknight | got a link for me? |
| 16:21.53 | Elkano | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/elkbuffbars.aspx |
| 16:22.29 | Elkano | r132... but I just set it to beta, so maybe it'll change in the next few minutes a bit |
| 16:23.16 | ckknight | I see 2.2.2 - r132 on curse |
| 16:23.20 | Elkano | yeah |
| 16:23.20 | ckknight | do you not? |
| 16:23.25 | ckknight | okay, what's the problem? |
| 16:23.55 | Elkano | when you download the file either via the curse client or manualy from curse it's broken |
| 16:23.55 | Qanik | what does the line "Ignore check on file succeeded" in the curse client log mean? |
| 16:24.26 | ckknight | the zip is bad? |
| 16:24.44 | Elkano | seems so, yes. although the zip on wowace is working fine |
| 16:24.55 | ckknight | hrm |
| 16:26.13 | ckknight | okay |
| 16:26.25 | ckknight | apparently they never added md5sum checking like I wanted |
| 16:26.32 | ckknight | it should've been caught |
| 16:27.34 | Elkano | anything I can do to fix it besides pushing a new revision? |
| 16:28.14 | ckknight | for right now, I think that's your best bet |
| 16:28.21 | ckknight | download the file, copy the changelog, re-upload |
| 16:28.24 | Elkano | k |
| 16:28.27 | ckknight | or make a new revision |
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| 16:48.57 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 16:49.06 | sag_ich_nicht | which MORON changed errormonster so I can't define custom filters anymore? |
| 16:49.08 | sag_ich_nicht | raaaaaage |
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| 16:52.47 | Gnarfoz | sag_ich_nicht: the author, probably. |
| 16:52.58 | Gnarfoz | brb reboot |
| 16:53.41 | Stanzilla | probably NYI in the new version |
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| 17:05.58 | sag_ich_nicht | sigh |
| 17:06.29 | sag_ich_nicht | grrrr |
| 17:06.35 | sag_ich_nicht | function to toggle autocast. |
| 17:08.06 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.07 | sag_ich_nicht | fail. |
| 17:08.17 | sag_ich_nicht | meh fine enough out of combat |
| 17:08.48 | sag_ich_nicht | altho that probably won't work either |
| 17:09.26 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 17:09.27 | sag_ich_nicht | figures. |
| 17:09.29 | sag_ich_nicht | retards. |
| 17:12.11 | Stanzilla | . |
| 17:15.40 | Repo | [WoW] 10shockandawe: 03Pericles * r54 / (5 files in 2 directories): ShockAndAwe: - |
| 17:15.41 | Repo | dry coding of export fixes |
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| 17:37.05 | charon | i wonder if all the tickets about the syndication being slow are some kind of caching issue |
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| 18:19.01 | Funkeh` | when is the autofill shit on curse.com going to go? :( |
| 18:20.31 | Kody- | Which autofill? |
| 18:20.33 | Kody- | The search? |
| 18:22.31 | ckknight | yea, it's pretty bullshit as-is |
| 18:22.38 | ckknight | try to search for drdamage |
| 18:22.45 | ckknight | it does the longest thing first rather than the shortest |
| 18:22.46 | ckknight | and such |
| 18:23.15 | Kody- | sounds like something for the feedback forums |
| 18:25.15 | Grum | ckknight: fixed carto3? |
| 18:25.21 | ckknight | nope |
| 18:25.25 | Grum | why not? :) |
| 18:25.30 | ckknight | I've been very busy |
| 18:25.36 | Grum | fixing addons? |
| 18:26.07 | charon | deploying commits for me ;) |
| 18:26.27 | ckknight | working on curseforge |
| 18:26.35 | ckknight | I'm revamping the codebase |
| 18:26.51 | Grum | what about your addons? that all stopped working? :) |
| 18:27.34 | ckknight | oh, I didn't realize I was receiving a paycheck for writing addons |
| 18:27.40 | ckknight | maybe they got my address wrong. |
| 18:28.27 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.55 | ckknight | because I am getting a paycheck for working on curseforge |
| 18:29.18 | ckknight | guess which one gets more priority |
| 18:29.37 | Grum | i dont even want to know how many hours per day you work for CF ^^ |
| 18:29.44 | Grum | must be close to 16 |
| 18:29.57 | ckknight | usually around 14 |
| 18:30.34 | ckknight | I should have time this weekend to work on it |
| 18:30.39 | Grum | hope you get paid well for the overhours |
| 18:30.59 | ckknight | nope |
| 18:31.03 | Grum | o.O |
| 18:31.16 | Grum | no payment? |
| 18:31.21 | ckknight | no |
| 18:31.29 | ckknight | Alabama is an at-will state |
| 18:31.34 | Grum | <ckknight> guess which one gets more priority <-- .... |
| 18:31.45 | Grum | i know what i'd choose in that case |
| 18:31.47 | ckknight | so they don't need to pay for overtime for people in my field |
| 18:31.53 | ckknight | well, I enjoy working on curseforge |
| 18:31.55 | Grum | so you dont need to work overtime! :p |
| 18:31.59 | ckknight | and it's partially expected me to work long hours |
| 18:32.06 | ckknight | yes, but if I didn't, then I wouldn't have a job |
| 18:32.07 | Grum | is that in your contract? |
| 18:32.15 | sag_ich_nicht | see |
| 18:32.32 | sag_ich_nicht | this is why I don't like america |
| 18:32.33 | sag_ich_nicht | :3 |
| 18:32.39 | ckknight | not to my knowledge, but I could be fired at any time, technically |
| 18:32.45 | ckknight | so I just try to do good work |
| 18:32.51 | Grum | i know the drill ckk; i also know that not getting paid for the time you waste is acceptable in the beginning .. and then suddenly people start depending on that .. and bye bye life |
| 18:32.53 | sag_ich_nicht | (I am not saying this is a bad thing, I am just saying this is why I don't like it) |
| 18:33.04 | Grum | ckknight: you can do good work in the paid hours |
| 18:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum stop |
| 18:33.17 | Grum | or are you compensating for those hours in the unpaid ones? :) |
| 18:33.17 | ckknight | yea, but then this project would take two weeks instead of one |
| 18:33.30 | Grum | ckknight: you'd get paid 2 weeks if it takes 2 weeks right? |
| 18:33.36 | Grum | so right now you get paid half for double your effort |
| 18:33.37 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight is a die hard capitalist, if he were the boss, he'd expect the same from his workers |
| 18:33.41 | netcurse | it's also about working on a field you are passionate about |
| 18:33.51 | Grum | netcurse: i know; been there done that |
| 18:33.53 | ckknight | my boss, Adamar, works more hours than me |
| 18:33.59 | Grum | ckknight: i hope he gets paid |
| 18:34.06 | ckknight | yes |
| 18:34.12 | ckknight | netcurse is the CEO, btw |
| 18:34.34 | ckknight | Adamar is my supervisor in this office, though |
| 18:34.45 | ckknight | and he does work a shit-ton |
| 18:34.55 | Grum | i did the 14hrs per day, 12+ in the weekenddays for over 3 years |
| 18:34.59 | ckknight | so *shrug* |
| 18:35.01 | Grum | its not worth it :) |
| 18:35.03 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse used to hang around in abandoned places and link new curse designs to people |
| 18:35.09 | sag_ich_nicht | (fact) |
| 18:35.12 | Grum | so netcurse; do you get paid overtime? :) |
| 18:35.36 | Dashkal | ewww... 14 hour days |
| 18:35.42 | netcurse | i started curse for my guild mates, so we all had the same addon versions |
| 18:35.45 | netcurse | not for a pay check :) |
| 18:35.52 | Dashkal | Work out what you're making an hour.. I did that for awhile, then realized I was getting paid less than my cashier work |
| 18:35.58 | Grum | ckknight: also after that 3 years i didnt *EVER* want to see a PC again; i had a total burnout towards pcs and coding which used to be the only thing i wanted to do |
| 18:36.08 | ckknight | I like what I code on, though |
| 18:36.13 | Grum | yeah so did I |
| 18:36.16 | ckknight | I enjoy what I'm working on |
| 18:36.17 | Grum | for hours and hours |
| 18:36.19 | ckknight | if I didn't, then I'd work less |
| 18:36.21 | Grum | you also love coding addons |
| 18:36.22 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:35] <Grum> its not worth it :) <--yeah, but would your 3 years younger self have believed being told that? |
| 18:36.30 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: nope |
| 18:36.33 | sag_ich_nicht | QED |
| 18:36.36 | Grum | i hit the wall hard after 3 years |
| 18:36.39 | sag_ich_nicht | so stop trying |
| 18:36.42 | Grum | and it sucked |
| 18:36.51 | Grum | well; i'm not saying he shouldn't work |
| 18:36.56 | Grum | he just should work on the right stuff :) |
| 18:36.59 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me |
| 18:36.59 | ckknight | I loved coding addons because I was unemployed and had nothing better to do |
| 18:37.01 | sag_ich_nicht | I'm hungry |
| 18:37.07 | ckknight | all I do is code, it's what I'm good at |
| 18:37.08 | Grum | 'the other passion' ... or the one that once was ... the zillions of addons |
| 18:37.09 | ckknight | I enjoy it |
| 18:37.21 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight is a codemonkey |
| 18:37.22 | ckknight | whether it be coding mods or working on websites or whatever |
| 18:37.25 | sag_ich_nicht | he doesn't care what he's coding |
| 18:37.30 | ckknight | wrong. |
| 18:37.35 | ckknight | I have to like what I'm coding |
| 18:37.40 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 18:37.45 | ckknight | good thing what I'm working on I like |
| 18:37.46 | sag_ich_nicht | my statement was inaccurate |
| 18:37.54 | sag_ich_nicht | he doesn't care what he's coding as long as he likes it |
| 18:37.57 | Grum | ckknight: so from that point i can deduct you dont like coding on your addons at this moment |
| 18:38.00 | sag_ich_nicht | there. |
| 18:38.08 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 18:38.12 | sag_ich_nicht | that's false logic |
| 18:38.13 | sag_ich_nicht | don't go there |
| 18:38.17 | ckknight | Grum: that's not right |
| 18:38.26 | ckknight | I like coding both my addons and on curseforge |
| 18:38.27 | sag_ich_nicht | ~assault Grum |
| 18:38.28 | purl | ACTION hits Grum in the mouth with an iron bar |
| 18:38.28 | Stanzilla | he likes both but money coding > no money coding |
| 18:38.38 | ckknight | but since I see my goals long-term being fulfilled better by working on curseforge, I'll do that |
| 18:38.39 | Grum | there is not more money in coding in unpaid overtime |
| 18:38.54 | ckknight | by working hard, it's likely that I'll get a raise eventually |
| 18:38.57 | Grum | netcurse will hate me ;) |
| 18:38.59 | Dashkal | ckknight: Here's a more relivant question: Do you see yourself putting maintainence time into your addons in the forseeable future? |
| 18:39.07 | ckknight | or at least, there will be reason to ask for a raise |
| 18:39.15 | ckknight | Dashkal: yea, but mostly on weekends. |
| 18:39.22 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 18:39.31 | Grum | ckknight: you could also ask for a raise if you deliver good work and not work 'free overtime' 6 hrs per day :) |
| 18:39.33 | sag_ich_nicht | the same moment I typed "~assault Grum" |
| 18:39.36 | sag_ich_nicht | some mob aggroed ingame |
| 18:39.38 | Dashkal | ckknight: sweet. Your answer settled my question of weather or not your addons were effectively dead or not :p |
| 18:39.40 | sag_ich_nicht | and it made the attacking sound |
| 18:39.45 | Grum | sag_ich_nicht: karma |
| 18:39.57 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: nah, nice coincidence |
| 18:40.02 | ckknight | Dashkal: granted, I'm more than willing to accept other author's help to maintain my addons |
| 18:40.03 | sag_ich_nicht | it didn't aggro onto me |
| 18:40.11 | sag_ich_nicht | it aggrod the warrior to the left of me |
| 18:40.18 | Grum | ckknight: you have 0 comments in your code; its not easy to get started in it ;) |
| 18:40.19 | Dashkal | ckknight: fair enough. But the fact is I have other priorities with my free time, so I don't make that offer |
| 18:40.29 | ckknight | Grum: I know, my more recent stuff is a lot better |
| 18:40.35 | Dashkal | It's easier just to switch to other functionally equivalent but maintained addons |
| 18:40.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ~realmen |
| 18:40.40 | ckknight | Dashkal: yea, I wasn't asking you |
| 18:40.50 | sag_ich_nicht | oh common, purl doesn't have that? |
| 18:41.01 | ckknight | Dashkal: but like, there are people helping out with PitBull and Cartographer and Parrot |
| 18:41.03 | Grum | ckknight: i'm not trying to bash you without cause; it would be great if you could spend some time on fixing addons that gazillions of people use |
| 18:41.09 | Dashkal | yep, I've seen that |
| 18:41.24 | ckknight | Grum: yea, but I have to way return on investment |
| 18:41.25 | Grum | and there is the warning not to work yourself over the top ... it will catch up .. trust me |
| 18:41.28 | ckknight | weigh* |
| 18:41.30 | Dashkal | I do note that those are the class 'ckk' addons that are still in use as well :p |
| 18:41.34 | Dashkal | classic* |
| 18:41.36 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 18:41.39 | sag_ich_nicht | ~realprogrammers |
| 18:41.55 | netcurse | you guys want a perfectly working wowace/cf and curse updater |
| 18:41.59 | netcurse | so let him work :p |
| 18:42.06 | Grum | ckknight: i went from coding ~16 hours per day to hating even thinking of coding ... |
| 18:42.08 | Dashkal | where my metric for which addons are in use comes entirely from discussion in these three irc channels :p |
| 18:42.10 | Grum | netcurse: that is called planning |
| 18:42.16 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, realprogrammers is <reply> Real Programmers don't use Pascal: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html |
| 18:42.17 | purl | okay, sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:42.20 | sag_ich_nicht | ~realprogrammers |
| 18:42.21 | purl | Real Programmers don't use Pascal: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html |
| 18:42.29 | Dashkal | netcurse: to be honest, working addons are more useful to me :p |
| 18:42.56 | Stanzilla | ^same |
| 18:43.12 | Grum | so netcurse; will you value ckk less if he works 10 hours per day instead of 16? while he's paid for 8? |
| 18:43.24 | ckknight | I think I get paid for 9. |
| 18:43.26 | Dashkal | to be clear. working addons > 'perfect' curseforge. Curseforge works |
| 18:43.42 | ckknight | it's a tiered system. I work on tools to make devs happy, then devs write addons that make users happy. |
| 18:43.44 | Grum | ckknight: 45hrs a week? |
| 18:43.46 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, realmen is <reply> Real men don't eat quiche. |
| 18:43.47 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: okay |
| 18:44.06 | ckknight | Grum: yes, that includes a 1-hour lunch break, though |
| 18:44.26 | sag_ich_nicht | which means, 40h job |
| 18:44.29 | sag_ich_nicht | aka 9-5 |
| 18:44.37 | Grum | if i were you i'd take 2-3 hours more 'you time' per day |
| 18:45.11 | ckknight | but I enjoy working on what I'm working on |
| 18:45.21 | ckknight | so that feeds my intellectual hunger |
| 18:45.29 | Grum | frenzy on your addons ;) |
| 18:45.33 | netcurse | Grum, we are in a very intense time here. We have lots to do on cf/Curse client and author reward program |
| 18:45.38 | Grum | you please way more people than your 1 boss =) |
| 18:45.54 | ckknight | but my 1 boss pays me... |
| 18:45.55 | netcurse | to make all of that happen in a decent timing, we are expecting everyone to work a lot yes |
| 18:46.02 | Grum | ckknight: for 9 hrs per day ;) |
| 18:46.16 | netcurse | if we were 6 months forward i think ckk would have a lot more free time |
| 18:46.17 | Grum | netcurse: expecting people to work more than what they get paid for? |
| 18:46.37 | Grum | why not rewards the people doing the work by actually paying them :) |
| 18:46.43 | Grum | or returning the overtime in free time |
| 18:46.48 | Grum | -s |
| 18:47.15 | netcurse | look Grum |
| 18:47.16 | Grum | and i know it doesnt work like that ... |
| 18:47.21 | Grum | you dont have to explain :) |
| 18:47.22 | sag_ich_nicht | "# Real Programmers don't need comments-- the code is obvious." <--ckknights motto |
| 18:47.32 | netcurse | you live in one of the biggest communist country |
| 18:47.37 | netcurse | this is america |
| 18:47.41 | Grum | euh? |
| 18:47.43 | netcurse | this is a small company |
| 18:47.43 | charon | sag_ich_nicht: well, he codes a lot of python which comes pretty close to "the code is obvious" |
| 18:47.45 | ckknight | Grum: where do you live? |
| 18:47.48 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse get the fuck out |
| 18:47.51 | ckknight | (jw) |
| 18:47.51 | Grum | Netherlands :) |
| 18:47.53 | sag_ich_nicht | socialism != communism |
| 18:48.01 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: don't talk to him like that |
| 18:48.03 | netcurse | from here .nl looks communism |
| 18:48.05 | netcurse | :) |
| 18:48.11 | Grum | right and usa looks like retardism |
| 18:48.12 | sag_ich_nicht | netcurse: then go read up on facts |
| 18:48.15 | Grum | but lets not go there |
| 18:48.18 | sag_ich_nicht | no, it doesn't |
| 18:48.26 | netcurse | :D |
| 18:48.33 | sag_ich_nicht | go read up on facts, both of you |
| 18:48.43 | netcurse | i ve live 20 years in europe |
| 18:48.47 | netcurse | i don't need to read facts my friends |
| 18:48.50 | Grum | from my point of view: you pay people for what you ask them to do; if they do more you reward them accordingly or let them know it will not be rewarded in any way |
| 18:49.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Grum: yeah but he knows it will not be rewarded. |
| 18:49.18 | Grum | no; he thinks this behaviour will grant him a raise |
| 18:49.30 | Grum | which is just a dangling bone which will never be given |
| 18:49.33 | sag_ich_nicht | no, he does it because he likes doing it as he has stated. |
| 18:49.38 | Grum | or if it is given; it is so far overdue that its worth shite |
| 18:49.47 | sag_ich_nicht | he has not once mentioned a raise. don't put words into other peoples mouths, that's my job |
| 18:49.54 | Grum | euuh? he did |
| 18:49.56 | ckknight | I figure I have to show that I'm worth something before asking for that |
| 18:50.07 | Grum | [20:37:57]+<ckknight> or at least, there will be reason to ask for a raise |
| 18:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 18:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | my bad |
| 18:50.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:50.15 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P sag_ich_nicht' action |
| 18:50.16 | Dashkal | ckknight: agreed on that philosophy |
| 18:50.21 | Grum | ckknight: you show that by leaving good work |
| 18:50.24 | Dashkal | I'm waiting for this project to be complete before I ask for that |
| 18:50.27 | AckisWork | hey netcurse can I have a raise? :P |
| 18:50.48 | Grum | you dont show that by doing unpaid overtime (at least not this amount .. 6 hours .. dude that is 3/4th of your day) |
| 18:51.05 | netcurse | you guys don t realize what's happening here. We are in a very tought economy time and we all our income are advertising based |
| 18:51.16 | Grum | netcurse: i know exactly what is happening |
| 18:51.16 | ckknight | when the company is more financially stable and it's obvious that I've done good work, I'll ask for a raise |
| 18:51.18 | netcurse | we are a group of people that ar LUCKY to work on something they LOVE |
| 18:51.21 | ckknight | but I don't think it's warranted until then |
| 18:51.59 | Grum | netcurse: that is so fucking easy to abuse |
| 18:52.18 | Grum | (and yes i know; i've been a ckk 7 years back ><) |
| 18:52.24 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 18:52.58 | ckknight | a large part of me working for curse is that I get to work on things that I like doing |
| 18:52.58 | Grum | netcurse: can you promise that ckk will get what he should when he asks for it? (aka; ~15-20% raise oros) |
| 18:53.09 | ckknight | if I didn't like what I was doing, then I wouldn't be working here |
| 18:53.14 | Dashkal | uh, Grum, that's more than a little inappropriate... |
| 18:53.15 | ckknight | so by liking what I'm doing, I want to work more on it |
| 18:53.33 | netcurse | Grum, you work for a governement syndicate? |
| 18:53.41 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:53] <+Dashkal> uh, Grum, that's more than a little inappropriate... <--agree'd |
| 18:53.53 | Dashkal | While this situation looks unfair to you (not without reason I admit) do consider that ckk and netcurse agree that the current situation is fine |
| 18:54.01 | Grum | hehe |
| 18:54.05 | Grum | ofc netcurse will agree =) |
| 18:54.52 | Dashkal | if both agree that the status quo is fine, then that's really their concern. You have made your opinion on the matter clear. But that particular question borders on interference |
| 18:55.06 | Arrowmaster | looks like i stumbled in on something i dont want to even bother trying to read the backlog on |
| 18:55.06 | netcurse | i've never ask ckknight to work 14 hours a day btw |
| 18:55.18 | ckknight | yea, I do that of my own accord |
| 18:55.19 | Grum | i know because that would legally bind your ass to something ^^ |
| 18:55.25 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: it's fun though |
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| 18:55.34 | Grum | wtb 3/16 hours of addon coding time from ckk ^^ |
| 18:55.35 | netcurse | europe vs america |
| 18:55.39 | sztanpet | Grum is just pointing out that the situation can be easily abused |
| 18:55.46 | Arrowmaster | Grum: fuck no |
| 18:55.47 | sztanpet | and it usually does get abused |
| 18:55.52 | Dashkal | Grum: I have willingly and of my own volition with no request or expectation worked 10+ hours in a day to get something done. Don't assume it doesn't happen |
| 18:55.59 | Arrowmaster | that would increase the amount of time i have to spend fixing his stuff! |
| 18:56.09 | Grum | Dashkal: same; i worked even more ... in the end .. not worth it |
| 18:56.16 | Grum | no matter how cool the stuff is you deliver |
| 18:56.19 | Grum | your time == money |
| 18:56.24 | Dashkal | Grum: I've also quit a job due to the expectation being there. |
| 18:56.27 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: I do appreciate what you've done, what I plan to do next for my addons is make them more maintainable, not less |
| 18:56.27 | netcurse | Grum look |
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| 18:56.32 | netcurse | i'm 23 CKK is 21 |
| 18:56.32 | Dashkal | I've been on both sides of this |
| 18:56.39 | netcurse | we are YOUNG |
| 18:56.45 | Dashkal | <-- 26 |
| 18:56.51 | Grum | YOUNG and EXPLOITABLE? |
| 18:56.53 | Grum | labelfest! |
| 18:56.58 | ckknight | yea, and I don't even have a college degree, so that puts me in somewhat of a bind |
| 18:57.02 | netcurse | ok i'm out of here :) |
| 18:57.06 | ckknight | have fun, netcurse |
| 18:57.08 | Dashkal | netcurse: laters |
| 18:57.11 | netcurse | bbl |
| 18:57.13 | Grum | ckknight: me neither |
| 18:57.15 | Dashkal | ckknight: do you at least have a two year? |
| 18:57.22 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: you know its just one of my long running jokes |
| 18:57.30 | ckknight | Dashkal: I did one year, then my professors told me I knew more about the subject than them |
| 18:57.47 | ckknight | so I gave up and moved to the big city (a.k.a. San Francisco) |
| 18:58.07 | Dashkal | ckknight: Might I suggest picking up that piece of paper part time? Shit does happen, and if nobody knows you that piece of paper becomes more important than all your skill |
| 18:58.26 | ckknight | oh yea, I am not discounting getting it |
| 18:58.31 | AckisWork | has 4 pieces of paper :( |
| 18:58.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah im 2 classes away from my 2 year degree, and thats probably as far as im going to go |
| 18:58.32 | ckknight | the school I was at wasn't great for CS |
| 18:58.55 | ckknight | but I figured I'd start working and see how that goes, and it's gone pretty well thus far |
| 18:58.58 | Dashkal | I have my Diploma (two years). It'll do, but I do eventually intend to go back for my Bachelors |
| 18:59.31 | sztanpet | CS is an autodidactic thing anyway, there are a shitload more places where they dont require a paper of anykind, just a show of skill |
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| 18:59.51 | Dashkal | this is true as well. My current job is mine due to a show of skill |
| 19:00.01 | Grum | same for ckknight |
| 19:00.09 | Dashkal | My current boss saw a good chunk of my skill and hearing that I had quit my former job hired me on the spot |
| 19:00.13 | ckknight | quite true, Grum |
| 19:00.23 | Dashkal | Now I work like hell to maintain his opinion of me :p |
| 19:00.46 | Grum | ckknight: i doubt you'll have lots of trouble getting a job after curse; but until then .. omg .. more fixed addons! .. please? ;) |
| 19:01.08 | Dashkal | heh, I'm still hoping curse stays alive and well |
| 19:01.21 | ckknight | Grum: working in something I'd want to work on might be an issue, though, I don't want to get stuck on something I don't like doing |
| 19:01.27 | ckknight | and I have bills and all |
| 19:01.28 | Dashkal | I have my objections to some of what curse is doing (not going into that here), but I'm a very firm believer in competition |
| 19:01.45 | Grum | ckknight: not if you are not location bound tbh |
| 19:01.58 | ckknight | Grum: true, I can go wherever I want, pretty much |
| 19:02.03 | ckknight | side note |
| 19:02.05 | ckknight | oh, btw, who here hates the curse client? |
| 19:02.06 | Tinyboom | anyone else not able to update addons with CC atm? |
| 19:02.09 | Grum | Dashkal: competition to get in the job; but not working +6hours for free per day :) |
| 19:02.12 | ckknight | raise a hand |
| 19:02.12 | Dashkal | ckknight: <---- |
| 19:02.15 | Grum | <--- |
| 19:02.19 | Grum | o/ |
| 19:02.28 | Dashkal | removes zombified arm and raises it with the other |
| 19:02.35 | charon | raises his stuffed tux |
| 19:02.41 | Grum | curseclient should have been build from the spirit of WAU |
| 19:02.42 | ckknight | well, we're probably going to expose an API for premium users to use |
| 19:02.49 | Grum | that client had a good look/feel |
| 19:02.54 | ckknight | premium = all authors + people who pay us $2.99/month |
| 19:02.57 | AckisWork | exposes himself for ckknight to use |
| 19:03.05 | Grum | ckknight: cool |
| 19:03.07 | Tinyboom | don't hate it, but waiting for it to improve... |
| 19:03.10 | Dashkal | oh thank god. I was hearing hints that that wouldn't happen to avoid abuse. Did you find a way to avoid the abuses Kaelten was afraid of? |
| 19:03.27 | ckknight | yea, Kaelten and I have come up with a good solution |
| 19:03.31 | Dashkal | oh good |
| 19:03.33 | ckknight | it won't take long for us to implement |
| 19:03.40 | ckknight | half a day or so |
| 19:03.50 | Dashkal | nice |
| 19:03.51 | Grum | you can do it in 4 out of your 6 hours today |
| 19:04.07 | ckknight | Grum: nah, Kaelten's gonna be in charge of that project |
| 19:04.20 | ckknight | we're gonna have file links that work once and exist for 5 minutes, and have a simple JSON protocol for fetching info |
| 19:04.35 | ckknight | probably. |
| 19:04.42 | Dashkal | ooo, windows. Yeah, I can see how that'll help |
| 19:04.48 | Grum | nice |
| 19:05.00 | Dashkal | eagerly awaits API specs |
| 19:05.09 | Dashkal | I'll have my own private client whipped up pronto |
| 19:05.11 | ckknight | since each link is fetchable only once, it'll prevent people from posting up download links to non-premium users |
| 19:05.14 | ckknight | Dashkal: that is the idea. |
| 19:05.24 | ckknight | we're gonna work with a few of you to get clients going |
| 19:06.44 | Dashkal | I wouldn't put too much expectation in me... we have seen how well my big ideas go :( |
| 19:06.49 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 19:07.05 | Dashkal | Just once I'd like to see one of these bigs ideas come to completion without a paycheque involved |
| 19:07.16 | ckknight | since this is a value-added thing for premium, and we're gonna develop it in a secure way (e.g. if you share your API key, you will get banned from the system) |
| 19:07.16 | Dashkal | -s |
| 19:07.31 | Grum | ckknight: euuh |
| 19:07.34 | Dashkal | Surprised you aren't just using our curse crednetials rather than an API key |
| 19:07.41 | ckknight | Dashkal: same difference. |
| 19:07.42 | Grum | ok; so every user should enter their own API key? |
| 19:08.05 | Dashkal | ckknight: important difference. If it's curse crendentials I can more easily release the code (It's going to be 2-clause BSD or EPL) |
| 19:08.06 | Grum | or can the api-key be fetched from the user/pass you provide to log in? |
| 19:08.08 | ckknight | Grum: yea, but you'll be able to fetch that with a username/pass or regenerate on-the-fly |
| 19:08.14 | Grum | hehe |
| 19:08.16 | Dashkal | kk, good enough |
| 19:08.23 | Dashkal | nevermind then |
| 19:08.28 | ckknight | Dashkal: what's EPL? |
| 19:08.40 | Grum | eastern plague lands |
| 19:08.43 | ckknight | lulz |
| 19:08.44 | Dashkal | Eclipse public licence (I'm considering using the RCP) |
| 19:08.51 | ckknight | I'm fond of MIT |
| 19:08.57 | Dashkal | MIT is fine as well |
| 19:09.10 | ckknight | it's equivalent to 2-clause BSD |
| 19:09.28 | Dashkal | It'll be fully open no matter which I pick. Someone wants to take it and sell it lolol go ahead. Still needs premium to work |
| 19:09.43 | Grum | yeah and that is what will make it work |
| 19:09.57 | Grum | i hope someone will come up with a good client |
| 19:10.01 | Grum | which curse can then use themselves |
| 19:10.06 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:10.11 | Grum | (no kidding) |
| 19:10.34 | Grum | just fork it and force adds in it so non-premium can also use it |
| 19:10.47 | Dashkal | Now (highly unlikely pie-in-the-sky thinking here) If it's useful I may consider making a closed and add-supported version using the normal API if people are interested. |
| 19:10.54 | ckknight | the current client uses a complex auth system |
| 19:11.04 | ckknight | to prevent other clients from tapping into it and not showing ads |
| 19:11.09 | Dashkal | good plan |
| 19:11.14 | ckknight | frankly the system is bullshit if you ask me |
| 19:11.21 | ckknight | but that's just me ;-) |
| 19:11.24 | Dashkal | (part of my implication is I'd swap out the auth module and obsfucate the damn code) |
| 19:11.42 | sztanpet | what? security through obfuscation like complexity? |
| 19:11.49 | Grum | ckknight: tbh; you should just show the adds in the main window |
| 19:11.52 | Grum | instead of in a popup |
| 19:11.58 | ckknight | well, don't think about that, because it's extremely unlikely we'd release the specs to you |
| 19:12.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:12.05 | Dashkal | *cackles* |
| 19:12.07 | ckknight | this is just for premium peoples |
| 19:12.20 | Dashkal | it'll be EPL anyway. If by some joke you like my client just steal it |
| 19:12.28 | Grum | yeah but curse might be able to use an opensource client which spawns from opening the API |
| 19:12.28 | Dashkal | or MIT or 2-clauseBSD or whatever |
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| 19:14.05 | Dashkal | But the design in my head is pretty much just to remake a WAU-style interface and be done with it |
| 19:14.32 | sztanpet | wau could have been so much nicer too |
| 19:14.57 | Dashkal | sztanpet: all I really want is the ability to easily check a box and press a key to install new addons, and to simply press a key to update. |
| 19:15.05 | Dashkal | I do not want to think |
| 19:15.07 | sztanpet | exactly |
| 19:15.46 | Dashkal | Most likely it'll end up done in Swing/JGoodies. It's for me anyway so the anti-JVM people can just deal |
| 19:16.27 | ckknight | well, we want to foster a community of openness, so we'll allow you to host your code on curseforge and such, just as long as it doesn't do anything nasty like screen scraping (even from other sites) |
| 19:16.28 | sztanpet | aw |
| 19:16.42 | ckknight | we won't have an issue with you connecting to another site's sanctioned API |
| 19:16.52 | ckknight | not going to set some bullshit curse-only limitation |
| 19:17.05 | Dashkal | oh good |
| 19:17.08 | ckknight | but no screen scraping or other bullshit |
| 19:17.26 | ckknight | or any kind of deliberate circumvention |
| 19:17.36 | Dashkal | Actually, I think I may very well end up going OSGI. Pluggable source modules |
| 19:17.50 | Dashkal | Though more likely swing than RCP. I'm good at swing. RCP was years back |
| 19:18.58 | Grum | What is the 'nicest' LDB-display-addon? |
| 19:19.16 | Dashkal | Grum: My preference is fortress. Add kgPanels and you have any kind of look you want |
| 19:19.34 | Dashkal | Disclaimer: It does not support auto-hide of entire groups of connected pieces |
| 19:19.39 | Dashkal | so no bar auto-hide |
| 19:19.41 | Grum | i prolly want to 'recreate' my fubar-bars |
| 19:19.49 | Grum | and get rid of fubar meanwhile :) |
| 19:19.51 | Dashkal | It'll do bars, just no auto-hide |
| 19:19.55 | Grum | fine with me |
| 19:19.59 | Grum | autohiding is useless ;) |
| 19:20.04 | Dashkal | They snap together like lego. Snap them side to side and turn off the border |
| 19:20.34 | Dashkal | I don't consider it useless. I'd love to have my main bar, and an aux block that auto-hides |
| 19:21.46 | Dashkal | But having my aux block show only what the mouse is over just feels strange |
| 19:22.57 | Dashkal | ckknight: how much documentation will exist here? I'm talking about things like schemas and such for the interface. |
| 19:23.02 | charon | i wonder if we should, um, "educate" people about the point in alpha builds... it seems most commits on wowace are immediately followed by a beta tag |
| 19:23.14 | ckknight | Dashkal: it will be a very simple API that will use JSON to communicate |
| 19:23.27 | ckknight | Dashkal: we will provide full documentation when we publish |
| 19:23.33 | Dashkal | ckknight: danke |
| 19:23.36 | sztanpet | charon absolutely |
| 19:23.42 | Dashkal | loves documentation |
| 19:23.47 | ckknight | granted, it won't be very much of anything |
| 19:23.50 | ckknight | probably less than a page |
| 19:23.53 | ckknight | cause we want to keep it simple |
| 19:23.57 | Dashkal | Doesn't have to be long, just concise |
| 19:24.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:24.39 | Dashkal | More importantly, it needs to remain current in the face of protocol changes. But now I' |
| 19:24.44 | Dashkal | I'm just pushing my design philosophy |
| 19:25.00 | ckknight | suggestion: don't start until we actually finish with it |
| 19:25.07 | Dashkal | is one of those people who writes the javadoc before the code in the function |
| 19:25.35 | Dashkal | ckknight: this is why I'm considering OSGI. I do it right and any breakable code will be isolated |
| 19:25.43 | sztanpet | oh btw, could you make the list of addons smaller, like when an addon wasnt updated for years or it didnt get a download for over a month it wouldnt show up in CC |
| 19:26.05 | ckknight | sztanpet: I don't handle CC |
| 19:26.06 | Dashkal | The curse bundle will conform to a generic "addon source" API |
| 19:26.28 | sztanpet | i just threw my idea out into the open |
| 19:26.39 | ckknight | Dashkal: you'll basically POST to different urls with standard form data, receiving an application/json response which will consist of data about what you requested |
| 19:26.57 | Dashkal | sztanpet: Kolie isn't here. I strongly suggest you post that freq against the curse client project on curseforge (it ends up on a tracker he sees) |
| 19:27.17 | Dashkal | ckknight: Sounds good. |
| 19:27.30 | Dashkal | As long as you don't think you're going to backtrack, I can get to work on the UI and such |
| 19:27.52 | Dashkal | And this gives me the chance to learn true OSGI. I've only ever worked in eclipse |
| 19:28.53 | sag_ich_nicht | sighs |
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| 19:52.56 | Dashkal | JSON is nice and simple. I like it |
| 19:54.48 | doom0r | there a good way to let two authors know they have active devel addons with the same name on cf? |
| 19:54.55 | doom0r | it kills search on curse.com |
| 19:54.59 | doom0r | and confuses |
| 19:55.07 | charon | i'm trying to write a goodbye message for my guild and raid, but i just can't find any kind words :( |
| 19:55.16 | Dashkal | ckknight: how do you feel about mods that are really ads for larger versions? |
| 19:57.32 | doom0r | charon: well, what's the reason? |
| 19:57.53 | charon | shrugs |
| 19:58.18 | doom0r | so.... you're just leaving for the hell of it? |
| 19:58.34 | doom0r | "Sorry guys, need to do something new." |
| 19:58.36 | charon | tbh, i just don't want any raid obligations any more so i can do whatever i like |
| 19:58.59 | doom0r | "Sorry guys, I'm hitting the casual path." |
| 19:59.29 | charon | i'm just saying, somehow it feels odd. normally you'd remember the good stuff and forget bad memories. but the fun seems transient and i mostly remember guild politics and drama |
| 19:59.56 | doom0r | shouldn't be too hard, i've woke up to having a guild dumped on me with it's gbank ganked by the old guild master |
| 19:59.56 | Dashkal | Sorry, I've decided that the hardcore path just isn't fun anymore and have decided to retire into a more casual playstyle. |
| 20:00.04 | charon | and no, that's not the casual path, that's the "do something else with my life" path :p |
| 20:00.14 | Dashkal | Sorry, I'm quitting wow. Laters |
| 20:00.17 | doom0r | vbulletin forums locked and a long message posted saying oh well |
| 20:00.25 | Dashkal | Not much explanation needed for that, really |
| 20:00.30 | doom0r | agrees with Dashkal |
| 20:01.01 | Dashkal | What are they gonna do, send you nasty in-game mail? :p |
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| 20:01.30 | charon | oh i'm not afraid of consequences. it just feels wrong to leave them with a one-liner or whatever |
| 20:01.48 | charon | i spent half the nights every week for a full year with those people |
| 20:01.52 | doom0r | don't one-line and quit |
| 20:01.57 | doom0r | start a discussion |
| 20:01.58 | Dashkal | Then make it plain that you're leaving because you're not having fun with it anymore. That other priorities are simply more important to you now. |
| 20:01.59 | charon | hehe |
| 20:02.39 | Dashkal | It's not like burnout is a new concept. People walk away from the game for that reason all the time |
| 20:03.36 | doom0r | i stopped playing for 7 months, came back this patch |
| 20:03.40 | doom0r | just stopped |
| 20:03.46 | doom0r | people understand |
| 20:04.37 | Dashkal | I totally vanished from live to dick around on beta (not quite the same thing) for burnout reasons. I was ready to just let my subscription subside if not for WotLK. |
| 20:05.03 | charon | dunno, maybe beta would have "saved" me |
| 20:05.21 | charon | never got a key though |
| 20:05.23 | Dashkal | You could always just sit tight for three weeks and play again |
| 20:05.44 | Dashkal | Stop now, remove the icon from your desktop, and leave it be for the three weeks |
| 20:06.16 | charon | my desktop doesn't have any icons... but that's another matter |
| 20:06.56 | ckknight | Dashkal: don't have any issue with them, really |
| 20:07.01 | Dashkal | You know what I mean. Remove the temptation and leave it be until nostalgia/curiosity makes you interested again. WotLK is (opinion only) worth every penny just for the leveling experience. As in it would make a fine single-player RPG |
| 20:07.08 | ckknight | Dashkal: I personally have issues with obfuscated addons (e.g. Carbonite |
| 20:07.10 | ckknight | Quest) |
| 20:07.44 | Dashkal | approved then. Just a piece of what basically ammounts to shareware in the queue is all |
| 20:08.27 | Dashkal | Doesn't bother me in the slightest, just wanted a policy call before I hit the button |
| 20:13.17 | charon | btw, any bored cf mod around? this list is still open apparently: [Sun Oct 19 2008] [11:05:15] <charon> curseforge tickets 770, 771, 776, 757, 759, 756 and 750 all belong to other projects |
| 20:13.20 | charon | (ok i only checked 750) |
| 20:13.39 | Dashkal | Is moving mod or admin? |
| 20:13.58 | charon | i woudln't know, i'm an ordinary user now. i abandoned my only addon... |
| 20:14.33 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 750 |
| 20:14.34 | Repo | Dashkal: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 20:14.37 | Dashkal | cute |
| 20:14.44 | Dashkal | ckknight: repo broke |
| 20:15.24 | Dashkal | admin. I can't move them |
| 20:15.26 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:15.37 | ckknight | oh yea, forgot to fix that |
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| 20:18.13 | Dashkal | @ticket curseforge 750 |
| 20:18.20 | Repo | Dashkal: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 20:18.58 | ckknight | comments_comment.content_type_id |
| 20:18.59 | ckknight | ah. |
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| 20:20.09 | ckknight | @ticket curseforge 750 |
| 20:20.15 | Kody- | http://kotaku.com/5067776/activisons-ex-is-now-playboys-miss-november-and-she-prefers-rock-band |
| 20:20.20 | Repo | ckknight: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/750-curse-client-weirdness/. 750 - CurseClient Weirdness. Reported by: egingell. Type: Defect. Updated: 9 days ago. Component: Packager. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Votes: 0. Comments: 0 |
| 20:20.38 | Dashkal | Kody-: *snickers* nice |
| 20:23.57 | ckknight | hehe, Kody- |
| 20:26.20 | Repo | [WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki * r249 / (2 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:26.22 | Repo | - Fix Assign Cats button under Advanced Config. It was erroring out. |
| 20:26.51 | ckknight | meow |
| 20:28.41 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 20:28.48 | Dashkal | tbag, cats, *blinks* |
| 20:29.04 | AckisWork | GetTradeSkillLine = Skillet.GetTradeSkillLine <-- ERROR when Skillet:GetTradeSkillLine uses self, how can I reference his function properly? |
| 20:29.43 | nevcairiel | write a wrapper or make sure it works right :P |
| 20:30.33 | AckisWork | what would a wrapper do for me? and two I wanted to make sure it works right so I asked in the channel :P |
| 20:30.37 | Shefki | Dashkal: ? |
| 20:30.46 | Dashkal | Shefki: I was just confused is all |
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| 20:31.56 | doom0r | they all say that about college |
| 20:35.53 | Repo | [WoW] 10tbag-shefki: 03Shefki * r250 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:35.53 | Repo | - Remove code to change the default keybindings as it is really unnecessary now. |
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| 20:40.53 | Repo | Added in support for DDM external functions that redirect to the object's DDM functions |
| 20:40.54 | Repo | Xml: |
| 20:40.56 | Repo | Fixed up ZDDM_OnLoad(), simplifying it. |
| 20:41.44 | doom0r | just need on access toggle options now there shefki |
| 20:43.49 | Shefki | doom0r: ? |
| 20:44.00 | doom0r | i didn't see any way to toggle when it auto shows |
| 20:44.15 | doom0r | like open bank, gbank, mailbox |
| 20:44.16 | doom0r | so on |
| 20:44.31 | doom0r | i use it now, but not THAT often |
| 20:45.00 | doom0r | and since it takes up so much real estate, nice to not have it on the screen when i don't need it |
| 20:46.24 | doom0r | either that or if mailbox or bank opened it, closing that should close it |
| 20:47.07 | Aii | ckknight: ping |
| 20:47.13 | doom0r | i.e. if i open the bank, bagnon opens and tbag does, if i close the bank by walking away, bagnon closes and tbag doesn't iirc |
| 20:47.13 | ckknight | hey Aii |
| 20:47.26 | Aii | i know the localization system isn't completely done yet |
| 20:47.37 | Aii | but what would be the url to add another language's entry to the localization table? |
| 20:47.46 | Aii | i.e. if I have http://war.curseforge.com/projects/blackbox/localization/1-respawntext/ |
| 20:47.54 | Shefki | I intentional don't close bags because the next open causes a resort. Sometimes I want the bag to stay open to prevent a resort. |
| 20:48.04 | Aii | how would one go about adding, say, frFR |
| 20:48.39 | doom0r | ic |
| 20:49.05 | Shefki | e.g. I take stuff out of my mailbox and am going to the ah. I want the stuff to stay in the emtpy slot categories just to make it easier to find them. |
| 20:49.13 | Shefki | Rather than sorting in with all the other stuff. |
| 20:49.14 | doom0r | right |
| 20:49.31 | doom0r | well, just a toggle to when it auto opens then? |
| 20:49.45 | doom0r | not a deal breaker, but somethign to look forward to |
| 20:50.50 | Shefki | Yeah but it's not gonna happen until i redo the config. |
| 20:51.49 | doom0r | np, just throwing it out there :) |
| 20:56.38 | Shefki | doom0r: Open an enhancement ticket on it so I'll remember. |
| 20:56.47 | doom0r | nods |
| 20:59.42 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight I'd ask netcurse but he's not here, have you given thought to household premium accounts or something? :P |
| 20:59.57 | ckknight | you should wait for netcurse |
| 21:00.04 | ckknight | I think it's a reasonable idea, mind you |
| 21:00.06 | Repo | [WoW] 10zdkp: 03Ziggedy * r14 / (3 files in 1 directory): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 21:00.07 | Repo | ZiggaDKP: |
| 21:00.08 | Repo | Fixed drop down menu names to the new names in the xml file. |
| 21:00.10 | Repo | Xml: |
| 21:00.14 | Repo | Fixed drop down menu names to the new names in the xml file. |
| 21:00.45 | doom0r | has posted |
| 21:01.21 | *** join/#curseforge Celess (n=chriskog@cpe-67-9-166-233.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 21:01.23 | Aii | ckknight: any answer for my question? or is it just "not now" |
| 21:01.36 | Celess | missed what was it? |
| 21:01.38 | ckknight | oh, sorry, didn't read it |
| 21:01.46 | ckknight | create-phrase, Aii |
| 21:01.54 | Aii | i have a phrase already |
| 21:01.57 | ckknight | um |
| 21:01.58 | Aii | i want to add other languages |
| 21:02.00 | ckknight | go to /frFR/ |
| 21:02.21 | Aii | k |
| 21:03.36 | Aii | It's not a hurry, but perhaps if you or kaelten got a chance you could add the language links to a dropdown or something? |
| 21:03.50 | Celess | haz question about ace2 ace3 and rock, i see most of ones i have stil on ace2 few on rock and few onace3, both rock and ace3 are leaner and more efficent, right? |
| 21:04.23 | ckknight | my recommendation: don't make a new addon using Rock |
| 21:04.26 | ckknight | it's stagnated |
| 21:04.37 | Celess | its yours right? |
| 21:04.41 | ckknight | true |
| 21:04.54 | ckknight | you're more secure long-term to do things yourself or use Ace3 |
| 21:04.56 | Dashkal | You'll prolly wanna go ace3 or bare metal |
| 21:04.57 | Shefki | Still think the flags for localization should be somewhere on the main page on curse rather than burried under the More information tab. |
| 21:04.59 | ckknight | I'm fond of the former |
| 21:06.01 | Aii | also ckknight |
| 21:06.17 | ckknight | yes? |
| 21:06.20 | Celess | i noticed the embeds.xml, then noticed a few even doign seems liek newer things of putting the libs back in teh toc file and putting soem comment inthere, what is the comment about, its liek a tag, and is that teh new thing? |
| 21:06.20 | Aii | I've entered frFR and esES versions now, but the localization page still only lists English (100%) |
| 21:06.22 | Shefki | I generally think frameworks makes it easier to write something quickly. But I think they also drag a lot of unnecessary complexity into the loading process that creates its own problems. |
| 21:06.27 | Aii | so dunno if that's just not finished yet, or a bug |
| 21:06.29 | ckknight | Aii: now that is odd. |
| 21:06.38 | ckknight | Aii: link? |
| 21:06.42 | Aii | http://war.curseforge.com/projects/blackbox/localization/ |
| 21:06.53 | Shefki | So if you can stand to do the "bare metal" route I think long term it's more stable. |
| 21:07.47 | Dashkal | Shefki: I'd disagree. The framework has the advantage of shielding you from API changes from blizzard |
| 21:07.57 | Celess | i like fubar alot, fubar needs ace, and is fubar 3.5 is ace 3.0 right? so more efficient to use its libs if use any at all, like if everyoen went bare metal or used ace3 then its the leanest overall |
| 21:08.38 | Dashkal | I discarded FuBar because it's design is (opinion warning) outdated. I much prefer the LDB system. The providers and display mods are disconnected |
| 21:09.19 | Celess | is it a bar at top jsut liek fubar? |
| 21:09.28 | Dashkal | LDB isn't anything but a bridge |
| 21:09.50 | Dashkal | It's a broker. Some mods contribute data, some display it |
| 21:10.03 | Celess | spell LDB out? |
| 21:10.17 | Celess | is it he one that puts windows all over screen? |
| 21:10.19 | Dashkal | ~ldb |
| 21:10.20 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ldb is a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
| 21:10.26 | Dashkal | LibDataBroker |
| 21:10.33 | Dashkal | It doesn't do ANTHING to your ui in and of itself |
| 21:10.38 | Dashkal | I use Fortress as my display addon |
| 21:10.56 | Celess | yes but by default they tend to have each a window |
| 21:11.15 | Celess | very incubator-sih |
| 21:11.16 | Dashkal | That's how fortress works, there are options |
| 21:11.21 | sztanpet | fortress has a lot less costumisability then fubar |
| 21:11.30 | Dashkal | That said, you can glue the parts side-by-side to make a bar |
| 21:11.50 | Celess | so is ther a plugin that makes a bar like fubar? |
| 21:11.56 | Dashkal | sztanpet: have a look at the current version |
| 21:12.01 | Dashkal | Celess: do you need auto-hide of the bar? |
| 21:12.33 | Dashkal | if not, Fortress will make bars. (Auto-hide is implemented but is screwy, each piece auto-hides, not the whole stuck-together group) |
| 21:12.38 | Celess | i dotn for me but im thinign about al peoepl in guild and those around that might want to jsut have thier bar and no thought, and nto care what we see as elegant in back end |
| 21:12.50 | Celess | dotn have to know they need3-4 things to make a fubar |
| 21:13.19 | Dashkal | Then use fubar *shrugs* But LDB is the current flavour. You will see many more LDB data sources than fubar plugins |
| 21:13.37 | Dashkal | There are bridges to and from fubar as well. broker2fubar lets FuBar display LDB sources. |
| 21:13.42 | sztanpet | Dashkal did about 2-3 days ago |
| 21:13.51 | Dashkal | fubar2broker lets fubar plugins show up on LDB displayers |
| 21:14.32 | Dashkal | sztanpet: Fortress + kgPanels for art will get you anything fubar could |
| 21:14.53 | sztanpet | including spacing? |
| 21:15.16 | Dashkal | sztanpet: not sure about spacing offhand. |
| 21:15.17 | Celess | one fo coolest things about fubar, to me the best part looking through a users eyes, you ptu it on, and suddenly you have what wanted, the icons cluttering their minimap go away and they have all these thigns not had before woth the right click menus, no more /blah wtf |
| 21:15.40 | Dashkal | If you're looking for a magic no-brain solution, stick with fubar and get broker2fubar if you want LDB sources |
| 21:16.11 | Celess | well thers what i like and wwhat makes things available to acverage person |
| 21:17.21 | Dashkal | Funny thing about the "average person". They're capable of considering stats and gear and optimal specs, but the moment you talk about addons they get stupid |
| 21:17.22 | Celess | if ther are brokers tehn i wont worry, was msotly worroed about what lib path to follow for ace and rock |
| 21:18.06 | Celess | its because they are familiar with stats, adn plugins much harder than seems, each one differnt, why i think fubar was a swetspot |
| 21:18.15 | Dashkal | It's also obsolete |
| 21:18.22 | Aii | Dashkal: stats are numbers, you learn those in 1st-2nd grade |
| 21:18.23 | Aii | :P |
| 21:18.33 | Aii | the average person never passed 4th :P |
| 21:18.34 | Dashkal | Aii: My schooling always skipped stats |
| 21:18.38 | Dashkal | I never learned the |
| 21:18.39 | Dashkal | m |
| 21:18.57 | Dashkal | Celess: LDB offers an important thing to end users: They now have the ability to choose how their little stat blocks get displayed. |
| 21:19.00 | Celess | well to translate that into what wow is about takes some time though, it sliek beign lost, lots fo things to click on and figure out to get there. |
| 21:19.06 | Dashkal | To a user who cares how their UI looks, this is gold |
| 21:19.45 | Celess | i def nto sayign anytign that takes away form value add of LDB, jsut calign out soemting i liked :) |
| 21:20.01 | Celess | and i def care abut hwo my UI looks |
| 21:20.41 | Dashkal | ButtonBin and TitanBar are the two LDB displayers that are true bars. Fortress and StatBlockCore are the lego-like ones. I use Fortress and just glue the pieces together (they snap together) as a bar |
| 21:20.49 | Celess | and you are right, one solved the prob of wher the eff are my tings and hwo get to play with them, the other solves prob of omg i nto sur hwo to get what want form say recount, or whatever |
| 21:20.56 | Celess | both very veyr important |
| 21:21.30 | sztanpet | drunk? |
| 21:21.42 | Celess | no not had my coffee yet |
| 21:22.19 | Celess | what libs does LDB use? |
| 21:22.31 | Dashkal | FuBar is a LDB displayer only via the broker2fubar hack, which is just that, a hack |
| 21:22.37 | Dashkal | Celess: LDB _is_ the lib |
| 21:22.47 | Dashkal | No ace, no rock, no nothing. Just a single source file |
| 21:22.52 | Celess | okies |
| 21:23.25 | Dashkal | Both displayers and sources include that file in there code (it's one of those embedded auto-updating dealies) and it just works |
| 21:24.27 | Celess | i think really im trign to fid out aobut convergance of things post 3.0 wow, and what was goign on with ace3 and rock, i know better nwo, il use the stub and enough to get fubar to work as is ec[ected already, and stay with my smal simple frame work for use with my addons, which is as bare metal is want to get |
| 21:25.08 | Celess | yes i like things like that |
| 21:25.14 | Dashkal | To (grossly) simplify. Ace3 is the only framework. LDB handles data blocks. Recount is the damage meter, and Omen is not required |
| 21:25.41 | Aii | ckknight: yeah, the other languages don't show up anywhere (not on the individual phrase page, either) |
| 21:26.01 | Celess | jsut works, seems liek rock and ace3 tried to get leaner too, and stick to core idea more too. i loked at code for AceLibrary long time ago, lib stud is huge differnce |
| 21:26.11 | Aii | Dashkal: you forgot 'people are zombies' |
| 21:26.22 | Dashkal | Aii: Braaiiiinnnnsssss! |
| 21:26.38 | Celess | lol libstud |
| 21:26.48 | ckknight | Aii: I think it's cause WAR isn't hooked up for other languages. |
| 21:27.26 | Celess | adn i get what you are sayign about LDB beign excatly what its supposed to be |
| 21:27.54 | Aii | ckknight: >< |
| 21:27.57 | Aii | ckknight: can it be? |
| 21:28.06 | ckknight | sure, what languages does WAR support? |
| 21:28.09 | Aii | one sec |
| 21:28.16 | Aii | i have them listed in AceLocale3 WAR |
| 21:28.16 | Dashkal | Celess: LDB is Tekkub's work. So it's pretty minimal. |
| 21:28.22 | Dashkal | Leave the complexity to the displayers and sources |
| 21:28.29 | Celess | people got bit lost for bit pushign in one direction, it was good for evolution of this whole thing |
| 21:28.36 | Celess | yeah |
| 21:29.24 | Aii | ckknight: enUS, frFR, deDE, itIT, zhCN, zhTW, ruRU, jpJP, koKR |
| 21:30.01 | Aii | oh, I think japanese might actually be jaJP |
| 21:30.20 | Aii | I'll have to fix that |
| 21:30.23 | ckknight | can you double-check for me? |
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| 21:30.45 | Repo | export before conversion to Editbox |
| 21:30.50 | Aii | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2596.html says jaJP |
| 21:31.05 | Aii | (WAR doesn't actually use language codes, it uses a numerical enumeration) |
| 21:31.06 | ckknight | we'll go with that, then |
| 21:31.22 | Aii | (numerical enumeration is /totally/ not redundant) |
| 21:32.00 | Celess | is the new thing to put the libs backin toc? what is: |
| 21:32.02 | Celess | #@no-lib-strip@ |
| 21:32.02 | Celess | Libs\LibStub\LibStub.lua |
| 21:32.02 | Celess | Libs\CallbackHandler-1.0\CallbackHandler-1.0.xml |
| 21:32.04 | Celess | about? |
| 21:32.28 | ckknight | Celess: check the knowledge base for repository keyword substitutions |
| 21:32.37 | Celess | so thats the new thing |
| 21:32.45 | Celess | okies i go look |
| 21:33.50 | Repo | [WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza * r112 / (8 files in 5 directories): +Added sound options. |
| 21:33.51 | Repo | +Added some stock sound files. |
| 21:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 21:34.26 | sag_ich_nicht | guess what I just found with my level 44 hunter who has bow of searing arrows equiped |
| 21:34.38 | Aii | that you're a noob? |
| 21:35.12 | Repo | [WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza * r113 WIM.lua: (Message trimmed by 10 lines) |
| 21:35.13 | Repo | +Added Tab Management module. (Auto grouping of windows.) |
| 21:35.13 | Repo | *Avoid any chances of dividing by 0 in window animation. |
| 21:35.15 | Repo | *Changed window behavior priorities to: Arena, Combat, PvP, Raid, Party, Resting Other. |
| 21:35.19 | Repo | *Fixed bug when running WIM on WOTLK. |
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| 21:35.52 | sag_ich_nicht | Aii: no, I just found bow of searing arrows! |
| 21:36.36 | Repo | [WoW] 10wim-3: 03Pazza 04v3.0.3b * r114 : v3.0.3b package |
| 21:36.48 | ckknight | Aiiane: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/blackbox/localization/ |
| 21:36.53 | ckknight | Aiiane: does WAR not have spanish? |
| 21:38.20 | Aii | WAR has spanish... esES |
| 21:38.27 | ckknight | k, wasn't in your list |
| 21:38.33 | Aii | hm |
| 21:38.47 | Aii | must have forgot it |
| 21:39.12 | ckknight | so it has everything WoW has plus jaJP and itIT, then? |
| 21:40.15 | Aii | think so |
| 21:40.25 | Aii | also, is there a reason the menubar on the localization page isn't the project menubar? |
| 21:40.50 | ckknight | not in there? cause I haven't released it, cause it's not done |
| 21:40.58 | ckknight | you're using an alpha product |
| 21:41.15 | ckknight | there's no way to import |
| 21:41.18 | ckknight | that's the main issue |
| 21:41.26 | Aii | I know |
| 21:41.32 | nevcairiel | get to work, then :D |
| 21:41.35 | Aii | I'm not worked up or anything about it |
| 21:41.42 | Aii | just pointing out stuff that still needs doing :P |
| 21:42.22 | Aii | ckknight: I seem to recall you had a page that would generate a basic table, though? Do I recall correctly, and if so what was the url-addition for that? |
| 21:42.28 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: What are the chances that there's a condition for BT4's fade/show based on "are any of the items on this bar on cooldown"? |
| 21:42.37 | Antiarc | I have a bar: [nocombat]fade;[combat] show |
| 21:42.44 | Antiarc | And I'd like something like [cooldowns]show |
| 21:42.45 | Antiarc | Or something |
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| 21:45.11 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: it supports anything you can do in macros, so ask blizzard .. as in, not going to happen :P |
| 21:45.59 | Antiarc | ah well. I can write something custom to hack it in |
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| 21:48.21 | nevcairiel | i cant add new conditionals to the list, because the blizz code directly parses it and sets the attributes, cant do that from insecure code |
| 21:48.29 | Antiarc | you can change alpha insecurely though, yes? |
| 21:48.35 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 21:48.42 | Antiarc | That's all I want |
| 21:48.57 | Antiarc | Faded out 20% when not in combat and nothing is on cooldown |
| 21:48.59 | Antiarc | 100% alpha otherwise |
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| 22:57.45 | Dashkal | woot, just got the helm from a trick or treat bag |
| 22:57.50 | Dashkal | two more rares to go *sighs* |
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| 23:51.06 | Dashkal | noms on Kaelten's brains |
| 23:51.52 | Kaelten | what did I ever do to you! |
| 23:52.01 | Dashkal | nom om om om om |
| 23:52.07 | Dashkal | Braaaiiinnnsssss! |
| 23:52.22 | Kaelten | dies of brain loss |
| 23:52.34 | Dashkal | In other news, I'm loving the zombie event |
| 23:53.05 | Kaelten | fun? |
| 23:53.22 | Dashkal | I get a sadistic joy out of ganking my own faction :p |
| 23:53.44 | Kaelten | hasn't played yet :( |
| 23:53.51 | Dashkal | Get zombied -> you're now scourge. Horde and alliance both. Team up and go eat some braaaiiinnnsss! |
| 23:54.09 | Kaelten | heh |
| 23:54.14 | Kaelten | enjoying it I take it? |
| 23:54.15 | Dashkal | It's in phase 2. Either be in a major city and take part or stay as far away as you can |
| 23:54.27 | Dashkal | Well, I will more when I'm home and can actually play |
| 23:54.58 | Kaelten | heh |
| 23:55.02 | Kaelten | I just don't have anywhere to play |
| 23:55.04 | Gnarfoz | it's made of awesomeness |
| 23:55.44 | Kaelten | I'd really like to be able to find a server to play in, and someone to party with but I've been SoL so far |
| 23:55.53 | Dashkal | My offer is still open |
| 23:56.06 | Dashkal | Since 3.0 hit I've been on live rather than beta |
| 23:56.11 | Kaelten | tries to remember offer |
| 23:56.18 | Kaelten | fails for his lack of brain |
| 23:56.26 | Dashkal | Alliance Maelstrom-US (RPPvP) |
| 23:57.53 | Kaelten | pvp.... |
| 23:57.54 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 23:57.59 | Kaelten | at least they let you transfer that way again |
| 23:58.01 | Dashkal | That would be the catch |
| 23:58.07 | Kaelten | ya... I'm not sure about that |
| 23:58.20 | Dashkal | Banana Syndicate is really good about responding to ganks |
| 23:58.22 | Dashkal | So you'd have backup |
| 23:58.39 | Dashkal | It's what makes it bearable to me :p |
| 23:59.11 | Dashkal | But oh man is level 58 gonna suck... |
| 23:59.25 | Dashkal | Cause you can damn well put money on there being a welcoming crew in hellfire |
| 23:59.36 | Kaelten | well, I have a 70 and a 60 I'd end up transfering if I started playing there |
| 23:59.42 | Dashkal | *nods* |
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| 23:59.56 | Dashkal | I'd suggest rolling new and getting to know the guild but with the zombie event you aren't getting anywhere |