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| 11:44.59 | bk | apt-br1: find XML::LibXML module |
| 11:45.02 | bk | apt-br1: find XML::LibXML |
| 11:45.05 | bk | apt: find XML::LibXML |
| 11:45.12 | bk | dpkg: find XML::LibXML |
| 11:45.21 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'XML::LibXML' (3): libxml-simpleobject-libxml-perl ;; libxml-libxml-iterator-perl ;; libxml-libxml-common-perl. |
| 11:45.29 | troubled | bk: can i help you? |
| 11:45.59 | troubled | xk: oh :) |
| 11:46.16 | troubled | xk: can you identify plz? |
| 11:46.20 | xk | already done. |
| 11:46.32 | troubled | heya, ltns :) |
| 11:46.37 | xk | no idea who you are ;) |
| 11:46.50 | troubled | hehe, friend of don, tim simon et all |
| 11:46.53 | xk | ah |
| 11:46.58 | troubled | work on infobot as well with em |
| 11:47.17 | troubled | i know of you from the bot code, and the channel access list etc. |
| 11:47.22 | xk | ;) |
| 11:48.22 | troubled | just thought i would check why someone came into the channel and fired off 20 commands to all the bots thats all |
| 11:48.37 | xk | well... the first few just didn't repond. |
| 11:49.29 | troubled | btw, did hear about the blootbot->infobot rebranding? |
| 11:49.35 | xk | no? |
| 11:49.43 | xk | i haven't heard anything. |
| 11:49.49 | troubled | oh...hmmm. well, blootbot svn is stale now |
| 11:50.00 | xk | so what happened? |
| 11:50.14 | troubled | we moved it back over to infobot's svn, and imported the old infobot cvs into svn after the blootbot rev's |
| 11:50.53 | troubled | i made sure the rev's stayed the same, as well as the uuid. so you should be able to just switch to the infobot url |
| 11:51.00 | troubled | dpkg: blootbot |
| 11:51.00 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 11:51.03 | troubled | dpkg: infobot |
| 11:51.03 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 11:51.16 | xk | so my code base is now infobot? |
| 11:51.48 | troubled | yup, i just created a new dump of blootbot head from last week, then put the old infobot cvs code into /infobot-old |
| 11:51.57 | xk | hehehehhhehhehe |
| 11:52.01 | troubled | :) |
| 11:52.14 | troubled | sec, let me see if your already in sf.net access for svn |
| 11:52.27 | xk | nah... i "left" the project many many many years ago. |
| 11:52.32 | xk | I am "done" with it. |
| 11:53.35 | xk | I am surprised that my code base was used... because the last I heard of infobot... they were trying to use POE::IRC or something? |
| 11:53.38 | troubled | ahh. well, if you had access in blootbot svn i could always put you in infobot for historical reasons :) |
| 11:54.11 | troubled | well thats the plan, we havent started with POE yet though. just cleaning up a bit and getting a few things figured out before hand |
| 11:54.39 | troubled | im fairly new to the code, so I cant really just port it unless I start fresh and scrap everything |
| 11:54.54 | xk | heh |
| 11:55.04 | troubled | atm im in the process of trackin down that damn null chan hash bug :) |
| 11:55.09 | xk | ahhhh |
| 11:55.22 | troubled | says its deleteing it, but doesnt do anything but tell you hehe |
| 11:55.43 | xk | i guessed i am using perl's data structures in the wrong way :) |
| 11:55.50 | troubled | gonna setup a tied hash and try caller() on it as suggested by someone since the perl debugger doesnt help when you dont know the location |
| 11:56.49 | xk | I know how it is caused. |
| 11:56.54 | xk | i just don't know how to solve it correctly. |
| 11:57.19 | xk | something must be checking $chan{ $x }{ $y }... but _just_ before it... $chan{ $x } is deleted. |
| 11:57.21 | troubled | well, i though it was from UserExtra.pl perhaps. they seem to think that a null hash should store stats |
| 11:57.42 | troubled | ya, figured im after a null $chan, but which one is the problem hehe |
| 11:57.45 | xk | so perl being perl, creates $chan{}, because of the access to $chan{ $x }{ $y } |
| 11:57.49 | troubled | theres like 10 files that could cause it |
| 11:58.37 | xk | i'm just going from what I can remember from 4-5 years ago - the last time I touched/read the code. |
| 11:59.09 | troubled | should be ok once i setup the tied hash for %channels and track it |
| 12:00.00 | troubled | i was surprised to find out one of the modules actually expects a ref to that has in there for stats, just shouldnt have the null one in there. and it only appears ~15min after I say something in a channel |
| 12:01.28 | troubled | s/has/hash/ |
| 12:03.17 | xk | hmmm |
| 12:04.40 | xk | any access to the chan hash should be wrapped by a function or two. |
| 12:05.47 | xk | must be a reason why it happens. |
| 12:05.59 | troubled | im running it in the dbg atm. so if your around for a few minutes, i can paste you the hash dump to see what i mean. just got to wait for it to break on ircCheck again |
| 12:06.15 | xk | ok |
| 12:06.28 | troubled | i was assuming it was related to UserDCC, which seems to fire up every line almost |
| 12:06.57 | troubled | could explain why $chan would be null. although its odd it only happens after something is said in a channel. well, shouldnt be long now :) |
| 12:20.02 | troubled | xk: http://pastebin.ca/752417 |
| 12:20.38 | troubled | line #3 is expected, but after you speak, empty has gets created. wondering if it was meant to go into #3 |
| 12:21.19 | xk | hmm |
| 12:21.20 | troubled | initially though, the only chan would be #1 with #botpark |
| 12:21.39 | troubled | the next one that comes is the stats hash in #3, but after you speak the null's appear |
| 12:22.08 | troubled | also, the null hash doesnt actually get deleted, but thats a quick fix after I track down the cause |
| 12:24.26 | xk | personally I would write a function to check the state of the hash before _EACH_ access to the hash, aswell as the keys being used on the hash. |
| 12:24.45 | xk | only way to nail it down. |
| 12:25.27 | troubled | actually, someone a few hours ago gave me a good solution, use a tied has in a new class for %channels and call caller() on FETCH and STORE |
| 12:25.45 | troubled | i can just put a debug in there to spit out the caller when it gets set to null |
| 12:26.26 | troubled | i rather like that solution and wish we used a custom class for all the hashes. would give a nice place to enabled debug info for all things hash :) |
| 12:26.53 | xk | hmmm. |
| 12:26.55 | xk | yeah. |
| 12:27.19 | troubled | of course, if I had my way, i would probably abstract the db access via tied hash class as well, but there are just some things that dont work for the sql in hashes without sequential select expenses |
| 12:28.57 | troubled | ie: the first sort keys %hash, would pull in the entire sql table, which wouldnt be too cool on memory |
| 12:31.48 | troubled | actually, one big change im mulling over is to turn the factoids part of the bot into a module instead, and have a configuration option to define the "default" module to check when issuing commands. this way i could say make google the default if thats what my channel uses, then !foo, will default to doing say a google search. just not sure about the cost for putting factoids into a forker :/ oh well, dont matter until we start |
| 12:37.32 | xk | hmmm... go wild on the code - it's free for others to change for the better. |
| 12:38.22 | xk | using the forker stuff is useful for stuff that takes _ages_ to respond with... (eg: finding debian files + updating them)... which I didn't want to hold up the bot. |
| 12:39.08 | xk | plus for stuff that used more ram |
| 12:39.35 | xk | If I were to have another go - I would simplify the configuration bit. |
| 12:39.39 | xk | it's just way too complicated. |
| 12:39.42 | xk | and split into two files |
| 12:39.45 | troubled | i hear that hehe |
| 12:39.57 | troubled | tim was askin to finally move everything to sql where possible |
| 12:40.38 | troubled | im hesitant to do too much though since a POE rewrite will literally make 50% of the code redundant |
| 12:40.59 | xk | so what happened re: POE? |
| 12:41.06 | xk | I thought that was being done in 2002 or so. |
| 12:41.12 | xk | and it STILL hasn't happened? heh. |
| 12:41.27 | troubled | i have no idea what happened back then, i only came into the code this year |
| 12:42.02 | troubled | plus ive only dabbled here and there with POE, but from what I can tell, it would make some things easier to deal with. the flood throttling code for one |
| 12:42.34 | troubled | right now I can flood any bloot/infobot off line by calling !+factstats help and /msg bot factstats help, at the same time |
| 12:43.36 | troubled | seems the queue code treats each of the 3 types seperately. POE should address that for the most part. but I dont like how poe defaults to sending via FIFO. would sooner have some sort of weigthed queue so that it doesnt block for 2 minutes while a really big paste goes out |
| 12:44.29 | troubled | as for the porting, i figure im better off slowly converting stuff to more OO like classes. then I can keep alot of the work for POE and just turn stuff into wheels and filters |
| 12:45.27 | troubled | atm though, i seem to be the only person actively doing any work though. everyone else is busy with other stuff. hard to catch us all on irc at the same time :( |
| 12:46.02 | xk | yep |
| 12:47.36 | troubled | anyways, i wont bore you anymore with the code. your contributed your part. time for me to carry the flame for a bit hehe :) |
| 12:48.04 | troubled | so, you seen EE lately? |
| 12:48.48 | xk | nah. i don't irc any more. |
| 12:49.20 | xk | anything in the last few years - I wouldn't have a clue ;) |
| 12:49.50 | troubled | oh...did you hear about lilo then? |
| 12:50.24 | xk | ahhh... yeah. |
| 12:50.51 | xk | via a web source. |
| 12:50.53 | troubled | :( just concerned about EE as well. not too often you get founding members disappear from irc |
| 12:51.06 | troubled | heh ya, think i woke up to /. headlines for that one |
| 12:52.56 | xk | so no email addresses to contact? |
| 12:53.27 | troubled | well, he was an oper last time I checked, surely someone knows. /me checks |
| 12:54.09 | troubled | Last Seen: 24 weeks 6 days (7h 33m 19s) ago. dbarclay10 (at) yahoo.ca |
| 12:54.24 | troubled | well, not too bad, but ya, theres email |
| 12:55.27 | xk | how come greycat is listed as 1year 32 weeks? |
| 12:55.34 | xk | i saw him a few weeks ago on this chan |
| 12:55.59 | troubled | not sure, i see him often as well. probably just not identified |
| 12:56.17 | troubled | same ident name as you in fact :) |
| 12:56.35 | troubled | FactBot: seen greycat |
| 12:56.36 | FactBot | troubled: i haven't seen 'greycat' |
| 12:56.46 | troubled | bah, useless bot hehe (not in #debian) |
| 12:56.51 | xk | troubled: yeah - that's who I stole the idea from! :) |
| 12:56.57 | troubled | :) |
| 12:57.08 | troubled | my db logs have him though, sec |
| 12:57.23 | xk | so what's the deal with irc.debian.org pointing to oftc? |
| 12:57.35 | troubled | 2007-10-22 08:44:19 freenode greycat i=rfc1413 wooledge.org "I'll be back." |
| 12:57.44 | troubled | oh wow, you are out of date hehe |
| 12:57.47 | xk | like... what was the idea behind it |
| 12:57.50 | xk | troubled: yeah :) |
| 12:57.50 | troubled | they split off and went their own way |
| 12:58.19 | troubled | they run some hybrid fork or something and their own services now |
| 12:59.16 | troubled | think weasel is one of the guys in charge there now. had some differences or something from what i remember hearing. that was like a few years ago though |
| 12:59.54 | troubled | pop your head in #freenode and im sure a few faces will stand out. Dave2 is active in tehre atm |
| 13:00.09 | troubled | RichiH is up atm as well |
| 13:00.59 | troubled | i popped em a notice for ya ;) |
| 13:01.09 | xk | richih ;) |
| 13:01.12 | xk | no idea who is dave2 |
| 13:01.32 | troubled | he's staff now, but he's been around #debian for ages as well |
| 13:01.39 | xk | hmmm |
| 13:02.14 | troubled | might be on the access list, but they added @freenode/staff/* so that might be where he got it from |
| 13:05.04 | troubled | hmmm, caphuso long time gone :( |
| 13:05.12 | xk | yeah, he's another name that i remember. |
| 13:05.29 | troubled | im sure ive spoke to you a few times :/ |
| 13:05.43 | troubled | do you remember debstats.doesntexist.org? |
| 13:05.49 | xk | no. |
| 13:05.52 | troubled | hmmm |
| 13:06.15 | troubled | ive been here since like 2002 |
| 13:06.32 | troubled | xk: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/pound_debian/ |
| 13:07.05 | xk | sussudio i remember :) |
| 13:07.08 | xk | bob2 i remember |
| 13:07.08 | troubled | :) |
| 13:07.16 | xk | asg |
| 13:07.16 | troubled | they are both around still |
| 13:07.54 | troubled | rahul is still around |
| 13:08.05 | troubled | penix as well |
| 13:08.15 | xk | tarzeau! |
| 13:08.24 | troubled | he's still here :) |
| 13:09.16 | xk | hmm... i dunno - i just don't have the time any more to be on irc. |
| 13:09.41 | troubled | dont feel bad. i take a year or two off with only occassional appearences as well |
| 13:10.07 | troubled | mostly to say hi and keep my reg active. although I doubt you have to worry since you have big channels on your access list |
| 13:10.13 | xk | heh |
| 13:10.30 | xk | keep active? I think I didn't turn up for 2 years, and it was still active! |
| 13:10.32 | troubled | after 60 days though, people can get your nick dropped otherwise though |
| 13:10.49 | troubled | again, they wouldnt for a nick like your though most likely |
| 13:10.52 | xk | :) |
| 13:10.59 | xk | I'll keep that in mind |
| 13:11.00 | troubled | hopefully hehe |
| 13:11.09 | xk | yeah - my original nick was bk |
| 13:11.24 | troubled | ahh, that explains it hehe |
| 13:11.32 | troubled | figured you just didnt feel like being disturbed |
| 13:11.47 | troubled | soon as you /nick'd though, i was like "YOU!!!" ;) |
| 13:11.53 | xk | :) |
| 13:12.02 | troubled | you owe me some hair :p |
| 13:12.33 | xk | anyway... i'll see if it's possible to turn up more often in the future. |
| 13:12.57 | troubled | np, dont be a stranger. im sure don and the rest will notice the wall of text here :) |
| 13:13.16 | xk | nice talking to someone who remembers me ;) |
| 13:13.32 | troubled | hehe np. guess ill catch you around |
| 13:13.48 | xk | ok. lates. |
| 13:13.50 | xk | for another time! |
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| 18:37.33 | CIA-36 | * Fix NULL chan being created in %channels |
| 18:37.33 | CIA-36 | * Updated BUGS list |
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