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| 07:55.55 | *** topic/#debian is If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || If you don't know how to compile a kernel, don't start to learn now. just wait for the 2.6 .deb, ok? || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT IN ALL 2.4 KERNELS < 2.4.23 DSA: http://xrl.us/66p || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 07:56.02 | fearl | ~wb |
| 07:56.03 | | It's great to be back! |
| 07:56.06 | streuner | heh |
| 07:56.10 | philips | ~emacs rules |
| 07:56.18 | philips | !emacs rules |
| 07:56.19 | fearl | ~insult emacs |
| 07:56.21 | somiaj | ~kick apt |
| 07:56.23 | | bugger off sod! |
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| 07:56.24 | cromd | but azreal, i'm getting the error on the messages i'm sending, not the ones i'm receiving |
| 07:56.24 | Xenocide | another angel of the seal has arrived |
| 07:56.25 | somiaj | !kick apt |
| 07:56.30 | somiaj | there...(: |
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| 07:56.44 | doodeedaa | hey |
| 07:56.52 | somiaj | ~start a bot war |
| 07:56.59 | azreal | cromd: grr |
| 07:57.11 | doodeedaa | does anyon have ready made kernel 2.6, i know how to compile, but the machine it will be on is a very slow box |
| 07:57.14 | cromd | sorry azreal, i didn't mean to offend, forget it |
| 07:57.18 | Korn | ~kick dpkg |
| 07:57.21 | | bugger off sod! |
| 07:57.21 | doodeedaa | 2.4 is currently running on it - runs fine |
| 07:57.30 | Korn | ~blow dpkg |
| 07:57.31 | azreal | nah, im not offended |
| 07:57.35 | somiaj | doodeedaa: do you have access to a faster machine of the same arch. |
| 07:57.38 | dondelelcaro | doodeedaa: so compile on another box, and install it. |
| 07:57.47 | Azhrarn | spooky |
| 07:57.50 | Xenocide | doodeedaa: your best bet is to either wait for the kernels to hit apt, or check apt-get.org |
| 07:57.50 | doodeedaa | i don't have a another linux box at the moment |
| 07:57.52 | dondelelcaro | fearl: because I've written it that way. |
| 07:57.54 | cromd | sorry to have bothered you good peoples ... take care ... enjoy each other |
| 07:57.55 | doodeedaa | ok |
| 07:57.58 | somiaj | fearl: my guess is they are smart...(: |
| 07:58.03 | cromd | fare thee well |
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| 07:58.08 | azreal | cromd: just miscommunication is all |
| 07:58.21 | JeffH | can someone help me with a hostname resolution problem? two of my 3 machines resolve just fine, the 3rd won't. |
| 07:58.23 | fearl | somiaj: heh, thats as far as I got with an explanation too :) |
| 07:58.24 | Xenocide | but dont expect apt-get.org packages to do everything properly |
| 07:58.31 | somiaj | ~hug dondelelcaro |
| 07:58.34 | | ACTION hugs dondelelcaro |
| 07:58.46 | NakedApe | JeffH, details? |
| 07:59.01 | Korn | ~kix |
| 07:59.09 | Korn | ~kix ko |
| 07:59.13 | fearl | ~lart Korn |
| 07:59.17 | doodeedaa | ah looks like i have to compile it |
| 07:59.23 | dondelelcaro | if you must play with the bot, /msg it. |
| 07:59.26 | Korn | ~kick fearl |
| 07:59.28 | | bugger off sod! |
| 07:59.32 | fearl | HAHA |
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| 07:59.39 | fearl | ~kick Korn |
| 07:59.41 | | bugger off sod! |
| 07:59.44 | azreal | ~kick me |
| 07:59.46 | | bugger off sod! |
| 07:59.46 | Korn | ha |
| 07:59.47 | fearl | ~fuck you then |
| 07:59.50 | | ACTION humps you then's leg in public |
| 08:00.02 | streuner | wtf, play with the bot in #debian-bots |
| 08:00.05 | helix | ah, late night debian |
| 08:00.08 | azreal | hehe |
| 08:00.19 | JeffH | NakedApe: I have a network with a router and 2 machines. The router has each of my machine's ip's/hostnames in it's /etc/hosts file.. I can 'ping router', 'ping shelby' but get an error when I 'ping fastback' The error is 'ping: unknown host fastback' |
| 08:00.25 | somiaj | 00:00 < helix> ah, late night debian, no looks like it just became early morning...(: |
| 08:00.25 | fearl | streuner: forgive us, we truly have nothing better to do :) |
| 08:00.35 | philips | "Apt gone WIILLLDDD!!" |
| 08:00.54 | helix | somiaj: yes :) |
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| 08:01.01 | NakedApe | JeffH, could you /msg me your hosts file from the router? |
| 08:01.01 | Xenocide | fearl: there's always bash.org |
| 08:01.05 | streuner | fearl: maybe, but there might be others who has an question... |
| 08:01.11 | fearl | JeffH: stupid question, is fastback in /etc/hosts ? |
| 08:01.16 | streuner | s/has/have/ |
| 08:01.24 | Azhrarn | Hah, there's always some crucial Nethack to be done |
| 08:01.25 | fearl | s/in/defined |
| 08:01.31 | JeffH | fearl: of course. |
| 08:01.59 | JeffH | from router:/etc/hosts: 192.168.0.100 fastback fastback.harriscomputersolutions.com |
| 08:02.08 | doodeedaa | i wonder how fast is it compared to 2.4 kernel |
| 08:02.14 | fearl | Azhrarn: no decent nethack clients for winblows that I know of |
| 08:02.26 | Azhrarn | http://noegnud.sf.net |
| 08:02.35 | Xenocide | nethack pales in comparison to crack-attack |
| 08:02.46 | Xenocide | and the DOS tile version of nethack does fine |
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| 08:03.09 | fearl | Azhrarn: http://www.linuxgames.co.za/noeGNUd/ <-- apparently it moved here, just so you know |
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| 08:05.11 | philips | all fear gravity!!! |
| 08:05.12 | helix | ~hug gravity |
| 08:05.18 | | ACTION hugs gravity |
| 08:05.18 | Xenocide | i remember seeing a gauntlet like version of nethack around |
| 08:05.21 | Xenocide | with superdeformed characters |
| 08:05.32 | gravity | Awww |
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| 08:05.44 | tracy | well hello there |
| 08:06.00 | NakedApe | JeffH, are you using only hosts to resolve names or do you have DNS as well? |
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| 08:06.41 | azreal | none of the mame roms of gauntlet i found worked :P |
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| 08:07.10 | Azhrarn | fearl: The dlaods are still on sf |
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| 08:08.19 | NakedApe | JeffH, try "getent hosts fastback" and tell me what you get back. |
| 08:08.42 | philips | ~hug NakedApe |
| 08:08.45 | | ACTION hugs NakedApe |
| 08:09.07 | philips | ohh the humanity |
| 08:09.50 | streuner | NakedApe: do you ever see an ape with clothes? ;-) |
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| 08:10.12 | Matthew_I | are motif and cde proprietary? |
| 08:10.22 | gravity | Matthew_I: Motif isn't anymore, but cde is |
| 08:10.35 | gravity | Matthew_I: Motif has some new license that's still non-free, iirc |
| 08:10.40 | Matthew_I | ok thanks |
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| 08:11.17 | philips | anyone know of a good manual or faq on configuring FVWM. |
| 08:11.27 | Azhrarn | fearl: http://azhrarn.underhanded.org/slashgfx.jpg |
| 08:11.55 | philips | Or does anyone know of another very standard WM that I can keep around for running on various Unix platforms? |
| 08:12.20 | streuner | Anyone knows a good doc to learn sql? |
| 08:12.24 | Xenocide | well, blackbox is a good old standby |
| 08:12.42 | Xenocide | streuner: the oracle manual has a few links. |
| 08:12.53 | Xenocide | but really, it depends on the db you're working wit |
| 08:12.56 | gravity | Windowmaker is pretty standard, although not as much as fvwm |
| 08:13.26 | streuner | Xenocide: mysql |
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| 08:14.11 | Xenocide | ... why? |
| 08:14.34 | streuner | http://www.workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ |
| 08:14.37 | Xenocide | ill never understand peoples fascination with mysql |
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| 08:14.50 | Korn | ~mysql |
| 08:14.51 | | SQL (Structured Query Language) database server. URL: http://www.mysql.com/ |
| 08:14.55 | Xenocide | postgres seems better in nearly every way |
| 08:14.58 | Xenocide | ~postgres |
| 08:15.17 | Xenocide | ~postgreSQL |
| 08:15.20 | | i heard postgresql is very modular, it can be built to be quite small supposedly. |
| 08:15.47 | Xenocide | but i try to keep away from databases alltogether |
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| 08:16.28 | Wyzard | Xenocide: I think it's mostly because PostgreSQL used to be non-free, so people used MySQL instead |
| 08:16.30 | JeffH | What's the file that you specify the order of resolution between 'file', 'dns' and 'nis'? |
| 08:16.52 | Xeroline | nsswitch.conf |
| 08:16.57 | JeffH | thanks |
| 08:17.01 | Xeroline | sure. |
| 08:17.05 | Xenocide | when was postgres nonfree? |
| 08:17.10 | Wyzard | Xenocide: Notice that MySQL's website says "the world's most-popular open-source database", not "the world's *best* open-source database" :-) |
| 08:17.18 | Xenocide | hah |
| 08:17.36 | Wyzard | PG started out as a proprietary product, actually |
| 08:17.39 | Wyzard | Ingres |
| 08:17.50 | Wyzard | Later versions were named Postgres ("after Ingres") |
| 08:18.03 | Wyzard | And it was renamed to PostgreSQL when SQL support was added |
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| 08:18.14 | Wyzard | I don't know the details though |
| 08:18.16 | Xenocide | in 92? |
| 08:18.25 | Xenocide | it was started in 86 |
| 08:19.19 | Xenocide | ive never heard good things about mysql performance. doesn't seem to scale well |
| 08:19.34 | colde | need to install driver-2 disk for installing debian ... the floppy disk shecksume deoes not match shecksume mode when it was written any idea ?? |
| 08:19.51 | Wyzard | I'd believe that it's faster, but that's because it hardly *does* anything |
| 08:19.56 | Wyzard | No triggers, FK checking, etc. |
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| 08:20.02 | Xenocide | heh. |
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| 08:20.21 | Xenocide | well, kuro5hin was having problems keeping up with the data under mySQL |
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| 08:20.44 | fearl | colde: umm, download a new floppy image? and its checksum... |
| 08:20.52 | subdolus | Can anyone give me some linkage to docs/howtos/mailing lists etc. regaurding the D-Link -650+ and Debian? |
| 08:20.54 | Wyzard | I discovered a few days ago that v3.23 can't join more than two tables except with inner joins |
| 08:21.06 | Wyzard | You can't do a ((t1 left join t2) inner join t3) |
| 08:21.15 | fearl | subdolus: I bet google can provide you with some links... |
| 08:21.22 | basho | anyone knows if it's possible to install debian on a root partition with raid 0 ? |
| 08:21.31 | basho | or is raid 1 necessary? |
| 08:21.45 | Xenocide | Wyzard: iffer struenner a few sql guides if you know any, since you're clearly experienced ;) |
| 08:21.47 | colde | fearl :: did download driver2.bin |
| 08:21.50 | Xenocide | err, offer |
| 08:21.51 | fearl | basho: its possible, how you go about doing it though is another question entirely |
| 08:22.07 | Xenocide | i had one or two back when i was in databases class |
| 08:22.10 | basho | fearl, do you know any howto? |
| 08:22.30 | fearl | basho: google 'debian install raid 0' - should enlighten you |
| 08:22.30 | Wyzard | I mostly just refer to the MySQL and PostgreSQL online docs |
| 08:23.24 | sonne | basho: don't !!!! raid0 will cause you way to much grief |
| 08:23.31 | Xenocide | postgreSQL came around in 95 |
| 08:23.39 | basho | fearl, well, can't see it's that enlightening... have a look yourself... |
| 08:23.57 | basho | sonne, hmmm yah gotta be a tough thing i suppose |
| 08:23.59 | Xenocide | so i dont think the liscence stopped many people from using it, since that was just before the .com bubble and the prevailance of the net |
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| 08:24.23 | colde | bacho :: raid 1 |
| 08:24.37 | sonne | basho: use raid 1 |
| 08:24.49 | bpence | Justin_: how's it going today? |
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| 08:24.53 | basho | yo... i guess so... found a howto about that already |
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| 08:24.58 | basho | will do then |
| 08:25.02 | bpence | how to I unzip bz2 files? |
| 08:25.09 | gravity | bpence: bunzip2 |
| 08:25.14 | bpence | thanks |
| 08:25.30 | fearl | basho: I get alot of hits... what was I supposed to see? I am not gonna look into any as I don't wish to accomplish raid 0 with debian... |
| 08:25.57 | soleil | hmm |
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| 08:26.30 | fearl | (10 pages worth in all |
| 08:26.32 | fearl | ) |
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| 08:27.03 | Wyzard | I'm looking for advice... I just got a new hard drive, so now's an ideal time to rearrange stuff on my disks, and I'm wondering if I should stick with Reiser, or switch back to ext3 since it has ACLs and security labels in 2.6 |
| 08:27.22 | basho | fearl, just give me one link that describe how raid 0 install can be done... i only got rubbish as results |
| 08:27.37 | Xenocide | Wyzard: what do ACLs get you? |
| 08:27.48 | Xenocide | military contracts? |
| 08:28.23 | zeeble | Wyzard ext3 is dcently stable, however if you are happy with reiserfs, stick to it |
| 08:28.27 | Nurbs | raid 0 for / doesn't make too much sense in many cases, used / data is often in-cache anyway |
| 08:28.35 | fearl | Wyzard: only you can really answer that, however I don't think ReiserFS is peticularly liked anywhere... ReiserFS's fsck apparently sucks, and I used to experience alot of curruption with Reiser... |
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| 08:29.15 | Nurbs | I've had reiser corruption a few days ago, but that could've been caused by 2.6 test kernels :) |
| 08:29.32 | Wyzard | This is a PC so I don't have any pressing need for ACLs (though they would allow me to create multi-user Arch repositories) |
| 08:29.39 | philips | I have never had any problems with Reiser |
| 08:29.58 | sonne | Wyzard: however reiserfs is faster... but beware that there is no data logging patch for 2.6. so crashes can lead to some data corruption |
| 08:30.08 | somiaj | I use ext3 and an happy with it and see no reason to change, it has worked well for both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. |
| 08:30.12 | soleil | philips: NDISWrapper supports Centrino |
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| 08:30.23 | sonne | (can happen with ext3 too but not as likely ...) |
| 08:30.26 | Nurbs | data logging doesn't guarantee no corruption either |
| 08:30.33 | philips | soleil: Ya I am working on it right now |
| 08:30.33 | Wyzard | sonne: ext3 doesn't do data journaling by default either though, right? |
| 08:30.43 | soleil | philips, will you let me know how it goes? |
| 08:30.44 | philips | soleil: downloading drivers, thanks |
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| 08:31.05 | philips | soleil: sure, email? |
| 08:31.14 | philips | soleil: I am shutting down the beast for the night |
| 08:31.34 | sonne | there is no fs that does full data journaling... but the 'ordered' mode of ext3/reiserfs are hacks which keep everything consistent in most of the cases |
| 08:32.15 | Nurbs | also depends on the underlying storage system of course |
| 08:32.16 | Wyzard | I'm mostly looking at the speed of reiser vs. the widespread support of ext3 (and the presence of tools like debugfs) |
| 08:32.47 | Wyzard | Nurbs: three Seagate 7200rpm ATA100 drives, LVM, no striping |
| 08:32.57 | Nurbs | Wyzard: uh |
| 08:33.07 | basho | from what i can see the problem lies with booting from the raid 0 |
| 08:33.32 | Nurbs | Wyzard: well, you don't have any guarantee about 100% data consistency is what I meant to say |
| 08:33.44 | basho | guess one needs a normal /boot partition for that purpose |
| 08:33.53 | Wyzard | I didn't stripe them since disks can't be added to a stripe set, though it might be worth considering now that I don't have room in this case for any more disks anyway |
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| 08:33.56 | NakedApe | Looking for a Heimdal guru to help with a ksu problem |
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| 08:34.17 | sonne | Wyzard: all I can say is that reiserfs 3.6 on recent 2.4 kernels _with_ datalogging patches (which are not available on 2.6) is working nicely. if you want to go for speed use reiserfs... if for data security ext3 which is much more often used and thus well tested |
| 08:34.40 | Nurbs | I'm happily using XFS ;) |
| 08:35.25 | Nurbs | in case the fs really does get screwed in some weird way I normally don't repair it anyway and use a backup |
| 08:35.38 | sonne | Nurbs: for me XFS/jfs fall in the reiserfs category ... they are just faster for different setups |
| 08:35.51 | Nurbs | fscking with reiser on 2.6 wasn't able to repair my fs |
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| 08:36.26 | fearl | basho: apparently, on install, there is a module called 'raid0'... modconf + raidtools2 will apparently be all you need too... this page seems enough for me: http://discypus.jp/pukiwiki/pukiwiki.php?cmd=read&page=Linux%2FSoftwareRaid (yes I know its japenese, but the menu's it displays is still english) |
| 08:36.44 | sonne | Wyzard: then keep 1 disk as a backup at least |
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| 08:37.04 | sonne | Nurbs: most likely you uses outdated reisertools ... |
| 08:37.22 | Nurbs | sonne: hmm, could be. latest in sid/experimental |
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| 08:37.39 | Wyzard | hmm... thinking about it now, I do have a few gigabytes free on a different disk that'd work nicely as backup space |
| 08:38.03 | bpence | Does anyone know a link to the patch for 2.4.23? |
| 08:38.15 | bpence | I can't seem to find it on kernel.org |
| 08:38.22 | mwilson | You're not looking. |
| 08:38.24 | sonne | Nurbs: it is only that I don't have heard of any reiserfs problem for 1/2 year now (all were hardware problems) ... for 2.4 that is ... |
| 08:38.33 | fearl | apparently all you need do is "load kernel drivers and modules >> md modules >> raid0" during install and it should supposedly work... apt-cache search raid should show raidtools2, you will prolly need that |
| 08:38.42 | basho | fearl, cool, thx but the page seems to only say something about Raid 1 |
| 08:38.43 | bpence | mwilson: well, actually I am, but I'm not finding it, or else I'm on the wrong part of kernel.org |
| 08:39.13 | mwilson | Wow... there it is. What a concept, when you actually do something for yourself. |
| 08:39.13 | fearl | Thats what they are showing, however raid0 is in the same list, I find it hard to beleive the process will be much different, just a different module |
| 08:39.36 | bpence | mwilson: was that directed towards me? |
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| 08:40.00 | Nurbs | sonne: I was running 2.6 test kernels for some time. At one point XFS got screwed, at another reiser. XFS I could at least repair :) It might have been some driver combination of course, but I'll probably never know. |
| 08:40.04 | mwilson | Pretty much, yeah. |
| 08:40.24 | bpence | mwilson: yet another reason I like south korea, the people aren't the asses I remember from the states. |
| 08:40.27 | mwilson | Considering I didn't even know where I was looking and I found it within 30 seconds. |
| 08:40.29 | Nurbs | sonne: for 2.4 I'd have considered hardware problems more probable (did some checks here, too, anyway) |
| 08:40.37 | bpence | mwilson: I'm a newbie, and all I can find are debian packages files. |
| 08:40.45 | mwilson | You COULD just say "I don't want to have to look for it". |
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| 08:40.52 | mwilson | But instead people lie about it. |
| 08:41.00 | amphi | bpence: it does appear to be on the front page of kernel.org... |
| 08:41.22 | skinny | hi :) anybody had a repository for xfree 4.3, mine has error on download! |
| 08:41.22 | fearl | bpence: you seem to be egging on a respected member of this channel... I suggest you stop if you really want any help |
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| 08:41.27 | INVOKE | .net |
| 08:41.41 | Wyzard | I guess I'll go for ext3 |
| 08:41.42 | bpence | amphi: I see a prepatch for 2.4.24, and a full src for 2.4.23, but not the patch to 2.4.23 |
| 08:41.42 | mwilson | Somehow I wouldn't count me in the "respected" column. |
| 08:41.55 | mwilson | "tolerated", more likely. |
| 08:42.14 | bpence | fearl: and I am normally respectful towards everyone else in here, because they are typically respectful towards me, but he's not, so I'm not. |
| 08:42.23 | amphi | bpence: the link I'm looking at on the front page points to 2 |
| 08:42.24 | fearl | mwilson: last I checked you were :) At the very least you are one of the more intelligent of the active folks round here :P |
| 08:42.28 | mwilson | <shrug> Deal with it. |
| 08:42.36 | Wyzard | bpence: 2.4.23 is on the front page of kernel.org |
| 08:42.48 | amphi | bpence: sorry, I lurched - points to http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/patch-2.4.23.bz2 |
| 08:42.55 | mwilson | Three different links on the front page... to the full tarball, to a patch, and to the changelog, and you can't find any of them. |
| 08:43.33 | bpence | well, I'm in lynx right now looking at it, is that what all those F V VI and C links are? I can't see where they go to |
| 08:43.36 | fearl | bpence: you know two negatives only make a positive when multiplied together, you should have learned that in high school |
| 08:43.44 | mwilson | There's a new trick... it's called actually loading the browser. |
| 08:43.45 | Wyzard | bpence: The 'V' link is the patch. |
| 08:43.47 | fearl | which is what your actions are reminding me of |
| 08:43.49 | amphi | bpence: I'm looking at it in w3m :) |
| 08:44.01 | mwilson | And I was looking at it in links. |
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| 08:44.12 | bpence | Wyzard: thank you, that's all I needed to know. |
| 08:44.13 | sonne | Nurbs: I will probably stay on ext3 here (2.6)... and with reiserfs for the really large storage stuff... (and 2.4) |
| 08:44.19 | mwilson | So far, you're not scoring very highly on the "gee, it needs a browser test". |
| 08:44.20 | amphi | bpence: the 2.4.23 link points to th patch |
| 08:45.15 | fearl | sonne: I thought reiserfs was only really usefull when dealing with databases and such? not necissarily for large scale storage... thought that was more XFS and maybe JFS? |
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| 08:45.43 | bpence | amphi: well, I just didn't know that the V link was a link to the patch, and since it doesn't say it's the patch, and I'm not able to see what it links to without clicking on every link on the page, I didn't know. |
| 08:46.08 | mwilson | Why is it SO hard for people to just say "I didn't want to do anything for myself?" |
| 08:46.22 | bpence | mwilson: how old are you, honestly? |
| 08:46.30 | fearl | mwilson: would you help someone that said that? lol |
| 08:46.38 | amphi | bpence: I'm sure there's a key for seeing what links point to in lynx, although I don't recall what it is |
| 08:46.45 | mwilson | fearl: No, probably not. But it's better than lying about it. |
| 08:46.58 | fearl | bpence: age has nothing to do with it, this channel has just drove him insane... |
| 08:47.03 | bpence | amphi: me either, and since my X isn't loading right now, I can't use a 'real' browser. |
| 08:47.04 | fearl | j/k |
| 08:47.26 | Nurbs | bpence: try l |
| 08:47.30 | Wyzard | OK, using mke2fs, is the "dir_index" option worthwhile on a /home partition? |
| 08:47.39 | Nurbs | bpence: even though that shows only the links I think... *shrug* |
| 08:47.49 | bpence | fearl: well, probably, I'm just getting to the point that I was setting up linux boxes before most people even knew what the internet was, I just haven't been around linux for like 4 or 5 years, so I've forgotten everything, and what I haven't forgotten has changed. |
| 08:47.58 | mwilson | Ah, now lynx is somehow not a real browser. |
| 08:48.07 | Nurbs | bpence: but ? or something gets the help :) |
| 08:48.09 | sonne | fearl: for many small files reiserfs is best... for large ones xfs |
| 08:48.17 | bpence | see guys, now who is egging who on? |
| 08:48.22 | bpence | =) |
| 08:48.25 | mwilson | And I see we've not forgotten to throw in the obligatory "I've been doing this longer than you" comment. |
| 08:48.46 | sonne | fearl: and guess what ? users use to create many small files here instead of big ones :) |
| 08:49.00 | bpence | mwilson: it's just a good thing I'm in the military and am use to dealing with people that think their shit don't stink |
| 08:49.04 | Nurbs | sonne: still, many people recommend strongly against reiser for mail servers. that's just an observation... don't wanna have a pointless argument about that ;) |
| 08:49.26 | mwilson | bpence: Oh, I know mine does. The difference between you and me is I don't lie about what I've done and what I haven't. |
| 08:49.51 | amphi | bpence: if you hit h in lynx and then choose 'keystroke commands', it shows you - '=' was probably what you wanted |
| 08:49.56 | Nurbs | sonne: guess it's mostly the initial problems that reiser had (as 2.4 had in general...) |
| 08:50.18 | bpence | mwilson: I have nothing to prove, my resume says it all, so how about we just stop this pissing contest because I don't really care, and it's doing nobody in this channel a bit of good to listen to it. |
| 08:50.23 | sonne | Nurbs: which is strange as reiserfs does really sync on sync (which ext3 does not...) ... but I don't habe a deep funded knowledge what kind of problems could occur there... |
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| 08:50.55 | mgoetze | hi all |
| 08:51.00 | sonne | Nurbs: yes... until 2.4.17 came out they changes sooo much in the kernel which broke reiserfs quite often (and even ext3 once) |
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| 08:51.38 | bpence | amphi: thanks, I'll remember that for the next time X gets broken (probably about 10 minutes as my luck has it) |
| 08:51.40 | Nurbs | I hope my system will become rock solid when I switch to the nv drivers instead of nvidia... :) |
| 08:51.57 | mgoetze | i have libapache-mod-perl installed, but using a PerlModule directive in httpd.conf gives me an "Invalid Command" error... anything else i need to do to get mod_perl running? |
| 08:52.19 | Wyzard | Nurbs: I haven't had crashes from nvidia in ages |
| 08:52.42 | Nurbs | Wyzard: which kernel(s)? how long does your X server run? |
| 08:52.43 | amphi | bpence: why does your X get broken with such monotonous regularity |
| 08:52.44 | philips | soleil: It works |
| 08:53.08 | mwilson | amphi: His resume is apparently too powerful for it. |
| 08:53.31 | Wyzard | Nurbs: 2.4.22, and I'm usually logged in (running X) for a week or two at a time |
| 08:53.33 | Nurbs | Wyzard: I do have some X crashes and even some machine hangs, but I'm not sure yet whether it's the nvidia driver. |
| 08:53.36 | mwilson | Nurbs: Mine's been up 22 days. 2.4.23, nVidia 4396 |
| 08:53.37 | bpence | amphi: because I keep trying to get dri to work, so I keep breaking it. |
| 08:54.10 | amphi | bpence: ah... I have an old card, so I am spared such suffering |
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| 08:54.35 | Nurbs | I'll try some boot time options like disabling ACPI and such, too. |
| 08:54.36 | bpence | amphi: yeah, the radeon 9000 with all the good stuff apparently is a pain in the arse to get working. |
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| 08:56.12 | Wyzard | Is ext3's "dir_index" feature worthwhile for a /home partition? |
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| 08:57.04 | bpence | amphi: I've got it working, but dri is not working, which is wierd, because XFree86.0.log say dri enabled, but glxview says dri: no |
| 08:57.11 | bpence | glxinfo I mean |
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| 08:59.50 | bpence | When applying this patch, it says Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected: assume -R? [no] should I say yes or no here? |
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| 09:00.41 | Nurbs | you probably shouldn't apply the patch because it is probably applied? |
| 09:00.49 | amphi | bpence: are you patching a vanilla kernel, or a debian one? |
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| 09:01.15 | bpence | amphi: just a standard downloaded debian image of 2.4.22-1-k7 |
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| 09:02.39 | amphi | bpence: AFAIK the debian kernels have patches already, so that patch may not apply properly, dunno - I use vanilla kernel src |
| 09:03.14 | bpence | amphi: what's AFAIK? |
| 09:03.26 | mutek | bpence: as far as I know |
| 09:03.28 | amphi | bpence: 'as far as I know' |
| 09:03.30 | bpence | ahh.. |
| 09:04.03 | azreal | i thought it was a fucking asshole i know? |
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| 09:04.10 | mutek | bpence: much more fun is ianal, which is nothing to do with your arse, and says 'I am not a lawyer'. Or pehaps it is to do with your arse..? |
| 09:04.22 | mutek | :-) |
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| 09:05.29 | bpence | well, how stable is 2.6.0? |
| 09:05.35 | mutek | bpence: does the kernel debian readme file list the patches already applied, btw? |
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| 09:06.16 | Nurbs | bpence: depends a lot on your system :) |
| 09:06.23 | bpence | mutek: I dunno, I just did the apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7. so I never saw a readme :) |
| 09:06.33 | Nurbs | bpence: it might be a good idea to apply the -mm1 patch, on many machines |
| 09:07.01 | mutek | bpence: I've just looked on here, and you can find more info in /usr/share/doc/kernel-<your-image>/ |
| 09:07.11 | bpence | well, the whole thing I'm trying to do is get the kernel with the newest version of the radeon.o driver. I need > 1.5.0, and I've got 1.1.1 |
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| 09:07.24 | mutek | bpence: there's a file called README.Debian.1st.gz which lists patches applied |
| 09:07.30 | SlayerXP | morning. |
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| 09:08.09 | amphi | Nurbs: what's in the mm1 patch? |
| 09:08.24 | Nurbs | amphi: check kernel.org |
| 09:08.41 | mutek | bpence: and changes.gz indicates exactly which kernel tree was the original as well. |
| 09:09.00 | amphi | Nurbs: thanks - you were recommending it above, would you care to indicate why? |
| 09:09.02 | Nurbs | amphi: I'd guess about 100 patches :) |
| 09:09.30 | mutek | bpence: but, afaik ianal |
| 09:09.37 | bpence | mutek: =) |
| 09:09.47 | Nurbs | amphi: It contains many experimental patches, but also a large number of fixes for certain drivers. nForce mobos for example, but also ethernet drivers and other things |
| 09:09.50 | Momo | salut tout le monde |
| 09:09.50 | mutek | O;-) |
| 09:10.07 | bpence | Momo: english mon amie |
| 09:10.12 | hairy_potter | Momo: IIRC, monde means monday? :) |
| 09:10.15 | amphi | Nurbs: uhuh - preempt also? |
| 09:10.16 | mutek | Momo: bonkour |
| 09:10.19 | hairy_potter | no no |
| 09:10.22 | Nurbs | amphi: preempt fixes? |
| 09:10.27 | hairy_potter | Momo: or isn't it lundie? |
| 09:10.29 | mutek | Momo: bonjour - je suis desolle |
| 09:10.30 | Nurbs | amphi: preempt itself is in 2.6 anyway |
| 09:10.46 | mutek | hairy_potter: world |
| 09:10.52 | amphi | Nurbs: oh, sorry, I'm thinking of 2.4 |
| 09:11.01 | mutek | hairy_potter: it all meant 'hi everyone' |
| 09:11.02 | Nurbs | amphi: ok :) |
| 09:11.06 | Momo | hairy_potter: monde means world |
| 09:11.20 | hairy_potter | je m'apelle suraj kumar. j'ai 23 ans. je ne pas une SLR. :( |
| 09:11.23 | hairy_potter | Momo: ic |
| 09:11.42 | amphi | hairy_potter: a self-loading rifle? |
| 09:11.42 | hairy_potter | or is it un SLR? ;/ |
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| 09:11.54 | hairy_potter | amphi: Single Lens Reflex :) |
| 09:11.55 | Momo | hairy_potter: do you know aishwarya rai ???? |
| 09:11.57 | mutek | amphi: single lense reflex? |
| 09:12.01 | ModestCargo | merry Christmas everybody!! |
| 09:12.04 | hairy_potter | Momo: oui |
| 09:12.11 | ModestCargo | i got some shibby gifts this year |
| 09:12.15 | hairy_potter | Momo: i mean, i have seen a couple of her movies, etc.,. |
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| 09:12.20 | mutek | ModestCargo: ahh - that was yesterday - today we box. |
| 09:12.30 | ModestCargo | yeah i guess |
| 09:12.30 | mutek | Anyone know why we box, today? |
| 09:12.38 | ModestCargo | its 2:12 am boxing day here |
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| 09:12.52 | mutek | ModestCargo: ah - early there. 9:12 here |
| 09:12.55 | Momo | hairy_potter: i have seen "devdas" |
| 09:13.03 | hairy_potter | what is a boxing day? (are you guys talking about the sport 'boxing'? ;/) |
| 09:13.03 | mutek | ModestCargo: been boxing for several hours now... :-) |
| 09:13.07 | hairy_potter | Momo: ic. |
| 09:13.16 | ModestCargo | ive been into the eggnog...:D |
| 09:13.21 | mutek | hairy_potter: boxing day is the day after xmas day, but I don't know /why/ it's called that. |
| 09:13.33 | ModestCargo | jesus my grandpa was into the egg nog |
| 09:13.34 | mutek | ModestCargo: haha :-) |
| 09:13.35 | hairy_potter | Momo: You should see 'Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam'. She is very pretty in that movie. (and she showed that she can act as well!) |
| 09:13.37 | ModestCargo | holy christ |
| 09:13.54 | hairy_potter | ModestCargo: its his birthday! |
| 09:13.54 | interoz | in 2.6 the following: ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device . should i just remove hdd=ide-scsi or i need some other kernel parameter to pass? |
| 09:14.05 | ModestCargo | on the f0ne he was like "meway chrisma jesses" |
| 09:14.28 | ModestCargo | man |
| 09:14.30 | mutek | ModestCargo: hehe - |
| 09:14.35 | ModestCargo | - |
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| 09:14.52 | xxenon | interoz - you only remove ide-scsi |
| 09:15.07 | ModestCargo | just finished watching Bad Boys II and Dumb and Dumberer |
| 09:15.10 | interoz | xxenon: fine, thanks |
| 09:15.21 | xxenon | ModestCargo - both are very bad ... |
| 09:15.22 | ModestCargo | the first one was better (diumb and dumber) |
| 09:15.27 | mutek | interoz: is there any reason to upgrade to 2.6, btw? (Other than device drivers not in 2.4, that is)? |
| 09:15.31 | ModestCargo | bad boys II was alright |
| 09:15.54 | hairy_potter | Momo: est-ce que vous avez une voiture? J'ai une livre de 'lord au le ringes' |
| 09:15.57 | ModestCargo | Hmm i thought Debian had 3 out... |
| 09:15.59 | hairy_potter | hehe |
| 09:16.07 | interoz | mutek: well, for laptops i believe so, since otherwise i'd have to apply several patches (preemptible acpi cpufreq...) |
| 09:16.12 | mutek | ModestCargo: not seen either, to be honest. Watched 'the bourne identity' yesterday - v.good, if you like that kind of story. |
| 09:16.22 | ModestCargo | ah yea, supposed to be good |
| 09:16.22 | xxenon | hairy_potter - sorry ? |
| 09:16.30 | ModestCargo | might rent it tomorre |
| 09:16.31 | fearl | mutek: better responsiveness due to the new scheduler and I/O subsystem would be at the top of my list of reasons to upgrade... |
| 09:16.37 | hairy_potter | xxenon: dont be sorry |
| 09:16.46 | Andy_007 | Merry christmas, everyone!(although this blessing's late because I couldn't connect to the Internet yesterday) |
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| 09:16.52 | ModestCargo | ha ha |
| 09:16.52 | xxenon | hairy_potter - I speak french but still havent understood ... |
| 09:16.53 | interoz | heh |
| 09:16.54 | mutek | interoz: aha - acpi support - yeah - thanks. New scheduler - yeah - playing movies - could help, which 2.6 are you using? |
| 09:17.01 | ModestCargo | Merry Xmas Bond |
| 09:17.04 | hairy_potter | xxenon: thats my french. nobody understand it. :)) |
| 09:17.08 | Peaker | Andy_007: You mean Happy Hannukah? :) |
| 09:17.17 | interoz | mutek: 2.6.0 |
| 09:17.20 | hairy_potter | s/understand/understands/ |
| 09:17.22 | skinny | Hi, how can resolve this problem after a apt-get dist-upgrade ? =trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man6/xmame.6.gz', which is also in package xmame-common. |
| 09:17.28 | mutek | hairy_potter: I've a landrover and I've read lotr! |
| 09:17.29 | Andy_007 | he |
| 09:17.33 | mutek | interoz: ta |
| 09:17.37 | mutek | fearl: thanks |
| 09:17.45 | interoz | mutek: np |
| 09:17.47 | xxenon | hairy_potter - LOTR is "Le seigneur de anneaux" in french |
| 09:17.51 | xxenon | s/de/des |
| 09:17.55 | ModestCargo | heh |
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| 09:18.03 | ModestCargo | nly one op here |
| 09:18.03 | hairy_potter | xxenon: ah. is there a french translation really? |
| 09:18.11 | fearl | skinny: install both packages implictly at the same time |
| 09:18.12 | ModestCargo | wonder why |
| 09:18.16 | xxenon | hairy_potter - yes, like Der Herr Der Ringe in german |
| 09:18.17 | mutek | xxenon: ah - yeah, droit de seigneur .. .yeah - makes sense... |
| 09:19.05 | fearl | skinny: ie apt-get install xmame-command <other package providing that file> |
| 09:19.18 | hairy_potter | xxenon: ic |
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| 09:19.31 | fearl | skinny: if that doesn't work, install each seperatly... |
| 09:19.58 | mutek | ls |
| 09:20.55 | gravity | Heh |
| 09:20.56 | skinny | fearl, ok, but the problem is also that it give me the error dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xmame_0.74.1-1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 09:21.02 | fearl | mutek: psst, try another terminal... |
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| 09:22.21 | fearl | skinny: assuming you are root, I don't understand why that could be without being at the system myself... thats the multi-system-emulator package right? |
| 09:22.26 | hairy_potter | and now the kawfee has left :( |
| 09:22.50 | mutek_ | hairy_potter: I recommend coffee for that. |
| 09:22.59 | fearl | skinny: could maybe try apt-get -f install <both packages> |
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| 09:24.12 | skinny | fearl, :( sorry same error : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:24.21 | fearl | skinny: worst comes to worst, apt-get -d (download only) install <both packages> and get dpkg to do it, it usually obliges... |
| 09:24.31 | skinny | ok |
| 09:24.34 | skinny | :) |
| 09:24.46 | Joris | I'm looking for an ftp configuration that can (easily) chroot users, and supports ftp-over-ssl |
| 09:24.57 | hairy_potter | mutek_: cauphy is a better alternative |
| 09:25.03 | hairy_potter | mutek_: kauphy rather |
| 09:25.05 | fearl | skinny: hmm, it happen to mention anything about "apt-get -f install" in the error message, if so do that |
| 09:25.15 | oskie | Joris: proftpd? |
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| 09:25.26 | interoz | which is the irc bot channel? |
| 09:25.34 | hairy_potter | interoz: #debian-bots |
| 09:25.44 | fearl | interoz: debian-bots apparenttly |
| 09:25.49 | somiaj | Joris: I'm a fan of vsftp |
| 09:25.50 | Joris | oskie: haven't seen ssl docs for proftpd |
| 09:25.57 | Joris | somiaj: so am I, but it doesn't do ssl |
| 09:26.01 | oskie | Joris: there's probably a module for it somewhere |
| 09:26.05 | interoz | thanks hairy_potter and fearl |
| 09:26.19 | Wyzard | hmm, this is interesting |
| 09:26.33 | somiaj | Joris: why not just use sftp? |
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| 09:26.54 | Elmchen | hello |
| 09:26.57 | Wyzard | Can anyone think of why when I make an ext2 filesystem on a 200GB device, mount and e2fsck would fail to recognize it, yet a reiserfs on the same device works fine? |
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| 09:27.01 | Joris | somiaj: it complicates the no-login thing |
| 09:27.16 | Joris | somiaj: users should be allowed to ftp, but not login |
| 09:27.22 | Andy_007 | ÕâÀïÓÐÖйúµÄÅóÓÑÂ𣿠|
| 09:27.27 | nevyn | Wyzard: cause ext2 is shit? |
| 09:27.40 | nevyn | Wyzard: at that size you really want to be using XFS imho |
| 09:27.44 | hairy_potter | Wyzard: is it because ext2 supports only $x GB? ($x < 200GB) |
| 09:27.52 | somiaj | Joris: why not just prevent them from loging in but still be able to connect via sftp (I belive that is possible, never tried though...:) |
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| 09:28.24 | Wyzard | hmm... looks like I'll be sticking with reiserfs after all, then |
| 09:28.45 | hairy_potter | Wyzard: xfs is better, even |
| 09:29.21 | hairy_potter | Wyzard: somebody said xfs can do all that reiserfs can do plus it can handle large files well. |
| 09:29.22 | Joris | somiaj: it's probably possible, but it requires complex configuration |
| 09:29.25 | Wyzard | hairy_potter: Not in 2.4... I don't trust the fact that kernel-patch-xfs suggests kernel-patch-kdb |
| 09:29.40 | Joris | somiaj: ... wich almost guarantees errors (either security or functionality errors) |
| 09:29.47 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:29.56 | nevyn | Wyzard: why's that a bad thing? |
| 09:29.57 | hairy_potter | Wyzard: been a long time since I used Linux, but isn't 2.4.20+ or something supposed to have xfs native? |
| 09:30.06 | Wyzard | nope |
| 09:30.10 | Nurbs | yes |
| 09:30.13 | Nurbs | 2.4.23+ |
| 09:30.18 | Wyzard | ah |
| 09:30.25 | nevyn | the XFS team have done huge additions to KDB so it supports XFS triggers. |
| 09:30.31 | Wyzard | But neither 2.4.23 nor 2.6 are packaged yet... that's mostly why I'm waiting |
| 09:30.50 | Andy_007 | ûÖйúÈË```´ó¼Ò88 |
| 09:31.08 | Nurbs | mkay. always using my own kernels |
| 09:31.42 | Wyzard | I'm waiting for kernel-source packages, not kernel-image packages :-) |
| 09:32.03 | Nurbs | I'm just using make-kpkg |
| 09:32.04 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:32.17 | Wyzard | I use make-kpkg too |
| 09:32.27 | nevyn | I stoped using kernel-source packages after being unable to patch them to a more recent kernel |
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| 09:34.42 | Wyzard | Nurbs: Will make-kpkg work with 2.6? |
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| 09:35.07 | nevyn | Wyzard: I think not.... |
| 09:35.11 | Nurbs | yes |
| 09:35.13 | nevyn | Wyzard: new build system... |
| 09:35.16 | Nurbs | it will |
| 09:35.20 | Wyzard | hmm, cool |
| 09:35.21 | Nurbs | uh, at least on sid |
| 09:35.24 | nevyn | Nurbs: ok it does.. |
| 09:35.28 | nevyn | that's neat |
| 09:35.44 | Wyzard | I guess that's since kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 has been around for a while |
| 09:35.48 | Nurbs | I've been using it since 2.5.7x somewhere, dunno if it works on woody already |
| 09:36.00 | Nurbs | test9 was ages after that :) |
| 09:36.11 | Wyzard | So maybe I'll just build 2.6 tonight and then use XFS on this disk |
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| 09:36.36 | nevyn | who is the 2.6 maintainer? |
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| 09:36.41 | Active2 | XFS is a nice filesystem :) |
| 09:37.11 | fearl | anyone know what ETA stands for? |
| 09:37.24 | gravity | fearl: Estimated Time of Arrival |
| 09:37.25 | Wyzard | Estimated Time to Arrival |
| 09:37.32 | fearl | nevyn: eventually it will be Andrew Morton |
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| 09:37.49 | somiaj | nevyn: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.0-test9 should tell you. |
| 09:37.57 | fearl | Wyzard: damnit, I knew that, heh, thankyou |
| 09:38.09 | fearl | nevyn: why would it? |
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| 09:39.25 | fearl | nevyn: I think I have his last name spelled wrong, but thats who its supposed to be... Linus released the first 2.6 kernel though, but he should be giving it up to Andrew soon |
| 09:39.25 | skinny | fearl, last thing... I deleted manually the *.deb. If I try to make apt-get dist-ugrade it still download previous packages. Where is the file that has in memory the packages I have to download? |
| 09:39.38 | soleil | i'm downloading the iso's for woody with Jigdo... theres 7 cds? |
| 09:39.49 | colde | is it possible to install debian over eternet ?? |
| 09:40.08 | fearl | colde: I have never done it any other way... |
| 09:40.10 | amphi | soleil: I think I have 8, with US and non-US cd 1 (woody) |
| 09:40.33 | wufei | skinny; /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 09:40.34 | fearl | Fuck downloading the whole woody repository, there all old packages :-/ |
| 09:40.53 | somiaj | soleil: do you need them all? if you have a decent net cd you should only need the first one, then just get what its missing from the internet with apt. |
| 09:41.09 | somiaj | soleil: decent net connenction |
| 09:41.10 | skinny | wufei, not the sources.list... :) |
| 09:41.11 | fearl | wufei: no, its something like /var/apt/cache/archives |
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| 09:41.23 | wufei | aha |
| 09:41.28 | colde | fearl : need to configure divice driver modules |
| 09:41.36 | fearl | skinny: if thats wrong, try the other way around with cache and apt |
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| 09:41.56 | redrick | Bah. Humbug. |
| 09:42.10 | somiaj | fearl: /var/cache/apt/archives . . . (: |
| 09:42.14 | fearl | ~install guide |
| 09:42.24 | fearl | ~listkeys install |
| 09:42.25 | wufei | skinny; did you do "apt-get update" first? |
| 09:42.42 | skinny | wufei, yes I did |
| 09:42.42 | fearl | ~damnit |
| 09:42.51 | colde | fearl : but network is first to set up .. |
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| 09:43.24 | fearl | colde: no, network is setup later, the install guide explains how to use your own kernel for installation image... |
| 09:43.27 | herbi | hi |
| 09:43.31 | fearl | I just can't find it right now |
| 09:43.35 | fearl | ~hi herbi |
| 09:43.37 | herbi | where can i get an advisory on this local root exploit? |
| 09:44.14 | colde | fearl : have no |
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| 09:44.57 | jetx | wtf do you get libxrandr2 |
| 09:45.10 | jetx | dpkg doesn't know |
| 09:45.11 | dpkg | from memory, doesn't know is not at all |
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| 09:45.40 | jetx | dpkg doesn't know is unknown |
| 09:45.41 | dpkg | ...but doesn't know is already something else... |
| 09:45.44 | jetx | dpkg doesn't know is unknown |
| 09:46.08 | somiaj | fearl: s/hi/greet/ |
| 09:46.50 | colde | fear : where to get the kernel-modules are they on cd ?? |
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| 09:48.23 | somiaj | colde: for the most part they come for with the kernel package, what ones you looking for? |
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| 09:51.57 | lord_rob | hi ! which package is "libctutils.0" in ? |
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| 09:52.18 | somiaj | ~tell lord_rob about search |
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| 09:52.52 | SpiritC | hi :) |
| 09:53.46 | SpiritC | anyone has problems with apache restarting in testing ? i get this Starting web server: apache/etc/init.d/apache: line 70: 5865 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON |
| 09:54.35 | somiaj | SpiritC: check the bts yet? |
| 09:54.58 | SpiritC | yep... but the closest i found was some prob with virtual hosts |
| 09:55.00 | somiaj | !tell lord_rob about search |
| 09:55.08 | gunebakan | Hi All, I need to install a media/video player what's your favorite(s)? Do you know that I can fid them as debian packages? |
| 09:55.10 | SpiritC | i tried disabling them but... same |
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| 09:56.13 | wuhuu | good morning |
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| 09:56.27 | somiaj | gunebakan: you can apt-get install zine, mplayer is good, though they decided to hate debian, so you can only find unoffical packages, also apt-cache show movie may help. |
| 09:56.37 | magix | hi all, who have a old memory SIMM 2 X 16 ram I looking for |
| 09:56.41 | magix | ? |
| 09:56.44 | wuhuu | howto set my MozillaFirebird as my standard web-browser ? |
| 09:56.45 | somiaj | SpiritC: I have no reason to run apache, just trying to be helpful |
| 09:56.58 | SpiritC | somiaj: tnx :) |
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| 09:57.34 | somiaj | wuhuu: standard in terms of what, you may want to look at update-alternatives but it could also depend if your using kde or gnome, or what ever program your in to. |
| 09:57.58 | somiaj | !tell bsdi386 about away |
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| 09:58.25 | SpiritC | somiaj: found the problem... perl was updated yesterday so libapache-mod-perl breaks apache now |
| 09:58.30 | SpiritC | and found a bug report also |
| 09:59.14 | wuhuu | every web-link should be opened Firebird instead of www-browser |
| 09:59.50 | somiaj | SpiritC: good work...(: |
| 10:00.15 | SpiritC | somiaj: thos apt-listchanges mails sure are usefull :) |
| 10:00.43 | Nurbs | wuhuu: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and www-browser? |
| 10:00.56 | Nurbs | that's system-wide, though |
| 10:00.57 | somiaj | wuhuu: update-alternatives will set up system wide defaults, though not all programs use them, so it depends on where you click on that link, if you use varrious apps with links you may have to tell each app what browser to use. |
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| 10:01.27 | Nurbs | it would be cool if alternatives could work on a per-user basis. should check that out... |
| 10:01.52 | somiaj | SpiritC: yea, perl seems to have issues a lot in my experience, but apt-listchanges is quite useful tool and is almost a must if you are using teating/unstable |
| 10:02.27 | somiaj | Nurbs: yea, though I force the two other people who use my computer to like my defaults..(: |
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| 10:02.50 | oskie | hello |
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| 10:03.10 | god_dog | hi |
| 10:03.17 | wuhuu | for example a link in XChat to be opened with it |
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| 10:03.53 | somiaj | wuhuu: in the case of XChat check out the xchat config, I'm sure there is an option there. |
| 10:04.24 | wuhuu | k, and what about a simple link in example an e-mail |
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| 10:05.14 | somiaj | wuhuu: that would most likey depend on the email client your using, some programs listen to the system defaults, but others don't. |
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| 10:05.25 | b14s | hi |
| 10:05.41 | wuhuu | yeah system defaults how to change them ? |
| 10:05.43 | b14s | can i keep users in their home-s? in ssh |
| 10:05.47 | zugzug | hey ive been using guarddog to manage my firewall ive put so it accepts ident/auth connections but whenever i try to connect to a irc server i always get no ident response |
| 10:05.54 | b14s | so they can leave it, but /tmp is okey |
| 10:06.03 | bl4s | h |
| 10:06.16 | somiaj | wuhuu: didn't you hear what you have been told three times, look into update-alternatives |
| 10:06.38 | wuhuu | <-- newbie |
| 10:06.55 | wuhuu | I'll try it |
| 10:06.59 | wuhuu | thx so far |
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| 10:07.28 | somiaj | bl4s: I don't recall seing a chroot optoin in sshd_config though you may want to double check the man page |
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| 10:07.44 | zugzug | could anyone help plz? |
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| 10:08.12 | bl4s | okey |
| 10:08.41 | somiaj | zugzug: I prefer it that way, identd is a program you can run to identify yourself if you want, but you'll have to open up the port that it runs on, I suggest not running it. |
| 10:08.44 | lover | Is there any way to run multiple linux distros at the same time on a single machine? |
| 10:08.44 | bl4s | and i installed oidentd from .deb now i can start it with oidentd command, how can i install it as a deamon? |
| 10:09.06 | lord_rob | Since i upgraded sid, my text mode console is borked. My keyboard works only in qwerty (it's an azerty keyboard). Also setleds doesn't work (cannot load "libctutils.0"). Anyone having the same problem ? |
| 10:09.25 | zugzug | somiaj o ok :) |
| 10:09.30 | lover | For example, i want to run say redhat,slackware and debian at the same time... Can i do it using vmware? |
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| 10:10.02 | somiaj | lover: yea multiple partitions, they could all share the same swap, and maybe the same home partition, though sharing the same home partition could mess with personal configs if they differ a bit in the different distros. |
| 10:10.22 | _diego_ | lover: yes. But also using UserModeLinux |
| 10:10.46 | lover | _diego_, what is usermode linux? |
| 10:11.11 | _diego_ | it's a linux kernel that run as a linux process |
| 10:11.36 | somiaj | bl4s: check /etc/init.d it probably put an init script you can use to start/stop/reload the dameon |
| 10:12.15 | somiaj | _diego_: so you run a kernel on top of the one your running? |
| 10:12.17 | _diego_ | lover: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:12.31 | bl4s | somiaj: no init script. |
| 10:12.47 | somiaj | bl4s: well then hit the man files, never messed with it myself. |
| 10:12.51 | bl4s | only /usr/local/sbin/oidentd |
| 10:13.04 | _diego_ | somiaj: yes |
| 10:13.07 | somiaj | bl4s: also /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> is a usefull place to look up such things. |
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| 10:13.24 | somiaj | _diego_: what's the point? (just sees no use for it at this time) |
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| 10:14.38 | _diego_ | somiaj: it's quite the same with vmware... You can use it, for testing a new distro, without rebooting or using a different machine |
| 10:15.30 | somiaj | _diego_: duh...its defiently bed time..(:, yea I can see the use of it now, proably makes working on kernels a lot easier...(: |
| 10:16.16 | _diego_ | somiaj: ..or to debug the kernel, or to build virtual PC on the same PC. |
| 10:16.19 | somiaj | though you could get some good recursions going on with that....(: |
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| 10:19.28 | jimpop | has anyone gotten Ximian/Evolution to compile and run on Sarge? |
| 10:19.38 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:20.10 | jimpop | i wonder how easy it is |
| 10:20.16 | quaqo | Hello! |
| 10:20.26 | jimpop | i wonder if it will break other things |
| 10:20.46 | somiaj | jimpop: that would probably depend on your skill..(:, have you checked for premade debs? |
| 10:20.55 | jimpop | ;) |
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| 10:21.11 | jimpop | no, i havn't seen any existing debs |
| 10:21.33 | jimpop | there are some for woody, but those break other Sarge pkgs |
| 10:22.04 | jimpop | why has Ximian turned a cold shoulder to non-RPM based systems? |
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| 10:23.46 | somiaj | jimpop: go ask Ximian...(: |
| 10:23.52 | jimpop | lol |
| 10:24.09 | somiaj | jimpop: I don't use either so I don't know much about them. |
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| 10:24.40 | jimpop | what is a good alternative email client, something that supports multiple email accounts, plus IMAP and POP? |
| 10:24.43 | motu | can i mount a remote folder, thro ftp or any other protocol? |
| 10:25.05 | colde | need to install kenrel-modules for installing debian over network, cold not fing them on driver-2.bin |
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| 10:26.05 | somiaj | motu: I belive there is an ftp mount, but isn't really used, if you want to mount other file systems on your network use nfs for other *nix machines and smbmount (samba) for windows shares. |
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| 10:26.49 | somiaj | jimpop: alternative to what, I like mutt, simple text based. |
| 10:27.05 | Hugl3 | what is the the 'teg' in sources.list for SID software ? |
| 10:27.16 | SlayerXP | jimpop: apt-get install evolution |
| 10:27.20 | motu | somiaj: i think my alternatives r either ftp or ssh |
| 10:27.25 | SpiritC | evolution or sylpheed |
| 10:27.31 | motu | how do i do a ftp mount? |
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| 10:28.08 | motu | jimpop: i like netscape 7.1's mail client and kmail best |
| 10:28.27 | somiaj | motu: I dont' know I just recall hearing someone talk about it. |
| 10:28.37 | motu | ok |
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| 10:28.55 | motu | cuz i wanna mount my home folder in school |
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| 10:29.04 | jimpop | Netscape is ok, but doesn't scale well for lots of email (even in folders), esp email with large attachements. |
| 10:29.22 | knoppix | hi |
| 10:29.28 | jimpop | SlayerXP: Package evolution has no available version.... |
| 10:29.51 | SlayerXP | jimpop: what tree are you sitting on? |
| 10:29.56 | jimpop | somiaj: alternatative for Evolution |
| 10:30.02 | jimpop | Sarge |
| 10:30.02 | colde | need to install kernel-modules for installing debian over network, cold not find them on driver-2.bin any ideea ?? |
| 10:30.37 | SlayerXP | jimpop: not a clue then |
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| 10:30.54 | jimpop | SlayerXP: np, thx anyway |
| 10:33.37 | somiaj | jimpop: I see evolution in sid. |
| 10:33.56 | saloxin | colde: on one of the other floppy's? What network card? |
| 10:34.26 | jimpop | somiaj: maybe I'll give that a try. |
| 10:34.45 | Hugl3 | what deg src would be for sid ? |
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| 10:35.05 | saloxin | Hugl3: s/stable/sid/g |
| 10:35.29 | Hugl3 | saloxin: thx |
| 10:36.50 | oskie | colde: you could try the floppies at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. but they are still alpha quality |
| 10:37.37 | somiaj | jimpop: thunderbird may be worth a try if you like the more mozilla/netscape feal mail client |
| 10:37.51 | jimpop | is it possilble to have stable and testing entires in the same sources.list? |
| 10:38.17 | jimpop | somiaj: i've been looking at tbird, and it is my next choice if I can't get evo working |
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| 10:38.57 | skinny | fearl, I resolved my prob with a bed option "dpkg --force-all -i /var/cahce/apt/archives/NAMEPACK.deb " ;) |
| 10:39.07 | colde | oskie ::not on cd ?? |
| 10:39.09 | somiaj | jimpop: you can have multiple sources, though you should look into pinning (/msg dpkg pinning) to weight how it looks though the sources for packages to install. |
| 10:39.30 | skinny | fearl, ops BAD not bed :))) |
| 10:39.34 | jimpop | somiaj: thx |
| 10:40.11 | somiaj | skinny: just be careful with --force-all you may find yourself in a worse place than where you started. |
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| 10:41.12 | skinny | somiaj, ok.. I will not use it anymore!! ;) |
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| 10:42.29 | somiaj | skinny: well that's good, I wouldn't go that far, but just be extreamly careful cause that is one way to fuxor a debian box... |
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| 10:43.13 | mooh | is anybody here using pterm? |
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| 10:46.50 | colde | saloxin : which floppy`s ?? |
| 10:47.01 | saloxin | colde: which network card? |
| 10:47.43 | saloxin | colde: the bf24 floppies - all 6 of them, usually does the trick |
| 10:48.11 | colde | saloxin : ahaaa .. |
| 10:48.20 | saloxin | colde: if you have a cdrom drive, use the netinstall cd. It's much more reliable |
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| 10:50.32 | hackeron | nathanvi: huh?? |
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| 10:50.40 | colde | saloxin : no have just a laptop without cdrom , just a floppy - drive and a ethernet conection to a linux maschin wich is not working till now |
| 10:50.57 | saloxin | colde: what netwrok card? |
| 10:51.04 | nathanvi | hackeron: ups |
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| 10:51.26 | nathanvi | hackeron: i'm here. What's up? |
| 10:51.49 | colde | don`t know but might it be importend to know these ?? |
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| 10:52.17 | saloxin | colde: if you have a shell (ctrl+alt+F2) type 'lspci' |
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| 10:53.05 | colde | saloxin :: no have none .. |
| 10:53.28 | saloxin | colde: start making all those floppies :( |
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| 10:54.14 | colde | have two , driver-1 and 2 |
| 10:54.30 | b0x | why you guys up so late |
| 10:54.41 | saloxin | b0x: it's early here in Norway:) |
| 10:54.47 | b0x | oh |
| 10:54.50 | b0x | 5 in morning here |
| 10:54.50 | b0x | haha |
| 10:54.59 | saloxin | 12:00 noon here |
| 10:55.05 | b0x | wow |
| 10:55.05 | b0x | well nvm then |
| 10:55.13 | Hugl3 | how i can see the list of installed packages? |
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| 10:55.34 | saloxin | Hugl3: dpkg -l | less |
| 10:55.43 | saloxin | Hugl3: or aptitude/dselect |
| 10:55.48 | tux-helper | dpkg --get-selections| grep installed |
| 10:55.49 | dpkg | tux-helper: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:56.01 | saloxin | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:56.01 | dpkg | yes master |
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| 10:56.45 | colde | saloxin :have two , driver-1 and 2 |
| 10:57.29 | saloxin | colde: what flavour of installation kernel are you trying to use? |
| 10:57.44 | colde | saloxin : default .. |
| 10:57.49 | colde | saloxin : default .. woody |
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| 10:59.30 | azreal | i got an idea, how about a debian-installer team webcam? |
| 10:59.34 | saloxin | colde: I think you need all floppies in a set. For a modern kernel, try something like all 6 of the bf24 floppies -> ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
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| 11:00.03 | azreal | we can watch them plugging away at it, sleeping, getting drunk etc? |
| 11:00.04 | saloxin | azreal: distributed installation party? sounds cool |
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| 11:02.56 | colde | saloxin : what abaout kernel-config |
| 11:03.29 | saloxin | colde: that's only there for you information, to tell you what this version of the kernel supports |
| 11:03.38 | saloxin | colde: leave it for now :) |
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| 11:04.50 | colde | saloxin : mees to use just to edit the drivers.tgz -file yes ?? |
| 11:05.25 | saloxin | colde: what? the subdirectory /images-1.44/ contains premade floppy images |
| 11:05.46 | saloxin | colde: I don't understand what you mean |
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| 11:08.07 | colde | saloxin :: ahh was on cd , have found 4 floppy (dreiver. -files ) |
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| 11:08.36 | colde | saloxin :: had just fond two on cd ... |
| 11:09.44 | saloxin | colde: ah, ok. beware that the cd contains 5 different versions. I recommend the bf24 series. You have to pick 1 set and use all of them from the same set. mixing won't work |
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| 11:14.31 | colde | saloxin :: will get the files from ftp : you told , course cd- version dit not inclouded kernel- modues , hope to dind them on fte ftp - driver files ... |
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| 11:15.43 | LBM | a tool to sniff broadcast, need to debug a game-server |
| 11:15.47 | saloxin | colde: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/bf2.4/ <- replace de with your country code |
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| 11:15.54 | LBM | ? |
| 11:16.16 | saloxin | LBM: tcpdump or ethereal |
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| 11:17.11 | colde | saloxin :: the first file you give might work ... |
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| 11:18.14 | galois | could someone responsible for topics make it more in line with #debian practice? Everyone seems to recommend compiling your own kernel! |
| 11:18.14 | LBM | saloxin: i tried ethereal, but i can't figure how to capture only broadcast packets - can you help? |
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| 11:20.08 | saloxin | LBM: something like tcpdump dst 10.0.0.255 orso? |
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| 11:23.38 | LBM | saloxin: thanks, tcpdump broadcast also worked |
| 11:24.18 | qazix | galois, it's a lot easier to tell people to just apt-get install a kernel package instead of recommending that everyone compile their own kernel. |
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| 11:25.40 | galois | qazix: agreed, but then you get an initrd kernerl |
| 11:26.31 | qazix | galois, it might suck yes, but It Works(R). Telling a relative newbie to compile a kernel is not a good idea, especially if they don't yet know their system's specs. |
| 11:27.14 | galois | qazix: I successfully rendered my sytem unbootable with an initrd kernel |
| 11:27.24 | zinx | uhm |
| 11:27.39 | galois | zinx: silliness probably |
| 11:27.43 | zinx | initrd shouldn't be doing anything unless you tell it a ramdisk |
| 11:27.45 | zinx | to load |
| 11:27.58 | zinx | silliness not involving initrd, probably :) |
| 11:28.02 | galois | zinx: I did as the install instructions told me to |
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| 11:28.06 | zinx | oh. |
| 11:28.10 | zinx | well, your fault then :) |
| 11:28.19 | galois | following the instructions? |
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| 11:28.26 | galois | bah :) |
| 11:28.30 | zinx | i doubt those were the right instructions to follow ;) |
| 11:28.37 | zinx | sounds more like 'how to make your own boot floppy' instructions |
| 11:28.44 | galois | instructions in the deb |
| 11:28.51 | galois | nope |
| 11:29.11 | qazix | galois, what package did you install? |
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| 11:29.31 | galois | pointing lilo.conf at /initrd with the relevant command |
| 11:29.37 | galois | qazix: 2.4.23 |
| 11:29.50 | zinx | 2.4.23 isn't a package |
| 11:30.01 | galois | ok 2.4.22 then |
| 11:30.06 | zinx | neither is that |
| 11:30.07 | qazix | that's not a package either |
| 11:30.09 | zinx | he's asking for the package name |
| 11:30.12 | zinx | not the kernel version |
| 11:30.15 | galois | no idea |
| 11:30.21 | qazix | erm, ok o_O |
| 11:30.39 | galois | was kernel-image-2.4.23-i386 at a guess |
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| 11:30.55 | galois | it was the correct one for the hardware |
| 11:31.09 | galois | about 1 month ago |
| 11:31.26 | qazix | hmm, I updated my firewall more recently and it doesn;'t have any 2.4.23 packages. |
| 11:33.09 | qazix | 2.4.23 packages aren't in sid yet |
| 11:33.32 | galois | it was the kernel from the security advisory so it was a patched 2.4.22 |
| 11:33.39 | galois | just remembered |
| 11:34.00 | qazix | indeed. and it does depend on initrc and other stuff |
| 11:34.03 | galois | *the* meaning the exploint in the topic |
| 11:34.06 | qazix | *initrd |
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| 11:35.17 | cyberyo | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/113.html |
| 11:35.56 | Wyzard | Does anyone here use 2.6 with lvm10? |
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| 11:37.11 | Wyzard | I just built and booted a 2.6, but /etc/init.d/lvm fails because under 2.6 it tries to use an option ("--ignorelockingfailure") which vgchange doesn't understand |
| 11:37.34 | Wyzard | I don't think I did anything particularly out-of-the-ordinary, so I'm wondering if others have had this problem |
| 11:37.36 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: yes? |
| 11:37.51 | bob2 | Wyzard: is that the old or new LVM system? |
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| 11:38.16 | Wyzard | bob2: If by "old" you mean lvm1 rather than lvm2, then yes |
| 11:38.24 | bob2 | Wyzard: I'm using it right now. |
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| 11:38.37 | bob2 | Wyzard: assuming it's the one the DM patch on 2.4 uses. |
| 11:38.46 | bob2 | Wyzard: (I know jack shit about it's history) |
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| 11:38.58 | nwo | with which command could I see which fonts are available? |
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| 11:39.09 | Wyzard | bob2: The version I'm using doesn't need the DM patch... that's lvm2 that requires it |
| 11:39.26 | Wyzard | bob2: Run /sbin/lvmiopversion and tell me what it prints (should be a single integer) |
| 11:39.37 | bob2 | nwo: depends. "xlsfonts" shows you X's core fonts, "fc-list" shows you what fontconfig knows about. |
| 11:39.44 | bob2 | Wyzard: one sec, other end of the house. |
| 11:39.51 | Wyzard | k, sorry |
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| 11:40.22 | nwo | bob2: yes xlsfont, and there was a graphical tool which was also very nice |
| 11:40.38 | bob2 | Wyzard: 200 |
| 11:40.43 | bob2 | nwo: xfontsel? |
| 11:41.02 | nwo | bob2: thanks that exactly what I needed :) |
| 11:41.08 | zignig | bob2: blehlo |
| 11:41.14 | bob2 | zignig: blahdios/ |
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| 11:41.19 | PDani | hi |
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| 11:43.11 | Wyzard | bob2: And your /etc/init.d/lvm script works? You must be using lvm2... mine tries to use an invalid option when that command returns 200 |
| 11:44.19 | PDani | i'm using 2.6.0, and a sound blaster audigy soundcard with alsa. i would like to use midi-stuffz, i compiled every midi-related things into the kernel. i read the midi-howto, etc. But i can't listen to any midi files with pmidi, rosegarden, brahms, or anything else. i realized, that i have no volume control in the alsamixer related to midi.Have anybody a good idea? |
| 11:44.53 | udo | hi |
| 11:45.38 | bob2 | your isp is *really* popular. |
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| 11:46.58 | NakedApe | Any Heimdal ksu wizards around? |
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| 11:47.22 | b0x | bob2: WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT |
| 11:47.29 | bancus | does anyone know the bash equivilent of the tcsh command "rehash"? |
| 11:48.08 | bob2 | hash? |
| 11:48.13 | bob2 | it's rehash in zsh, too. |
| 11:48.20 | mwilson | hash -r, just like the documentation says. |
| 11:48.22 | bob2 | b0x: put your crackpipe down. |
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| 11:50.55 | streuner | bob2, b0x: can i interupt you with your small talk? |
| 11:51.12 | bob2 | of course. |
| 11:51.34 | bob2 | #debian is 20% tech help, 20% smalltalk and 60% non-sequitor flaming. |
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| 11:52.02 | streuner | anyone knows how give this file http://www.workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ispmail.sql into mysql? |
| 11:52.30 | bob2 | streuner: mysqladm < foo.sql |
| 11:52.43 | streuner | bob2: ah, thanks. |
| 11:53.01 | galois | bob2: and 10% bot abuse |
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| 11:53.47 | bob2 | galois: right, I forgot that and the gratuitous sexual innuendo. |
| 11:55.10 | dondelelcaro | always need sexual innuendo coupled with violence... |
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| 11:55.28 | dondelelcaro | !love fembots |
| 11:56.36 | nevyn | !botsnacks |
| 11:56.37 | dpkg | thanks, nevyn |
| 11:56.39 | dondelelcaro | !love a fembot |
| 11:56.42 | nevyn | !botsex |
| 11:56.43 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 11:56.49 | nevyn | bored |
| 11:57.02 | carles | http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/26/iran.quake/index.html |
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| 11:59.53 | dondelelcaro | carles: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Maps/10/60_30.html http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/uscvad.htm |
| 12:00.02 | PDani | bye |
| 12:00.32 | Nyle\away | finally, I'm learning enough slowly to manage things myself without asking too many questions. Thanks for all your help guys. Merry Xmas and take it easy |
| 12:00.36 | colde | saloxin :: what was the ftp - adress of debian for down loading driver-disks ?? |
| 12:01.02 | bob2 | what a s;pw day |
| 12:01.17 | robink | colde: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386 (I think) |
| 12:01.33 | dondelelcaro | carles: and more importantly, http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/ |
| 12:02.05 | dondelelcaro | bob2: your right hand has moved a bit... |
| 12:02.16 | bob2 | yes, this is an odd keyboard. |
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| 12:02.34 | lyrzine | hie |
| 12:02.44 | bob2 | my gateway has destroyed two harddisks in two days, and now I'm out of spare disks,. |
| 12:02.46 | robink | Hello lyrzine |
| 12:02.47 | bob2 | hence, *shudder* windows xp *whudderwhudder* |
| 12:02.54 | nevyn | eww |
| 12:03.14 | oskie | do you think, that in the future, there will be cloisters with monks or nuns devoting their life to coding kernel internals? |
| 12:03.17 | lyrzine | where in debian distrib, i can look the log of service launch in init.d |
| 12:03.41 | bob2 | oskie: it's called "freebsd core team". |
| 12:03.50 | zinx | oskie: after the fall soon to come, computers will be but a memory |
| 12:03.56 | oskie | bob2: hehe |
| 12:04.04 | robink | bob2: "whudder"? |
| 12:04.13 | bob2 | dunno how many nuns there are, hwoever. |
| 12:04.20 | streuner | lyrzine: /msg dpkg french |
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| 12:04.51 | oskie | zinx: but the monks will keep archives of the information somehow.. maybe that's why they will be the first and only kernel coders in the future? |
| 12:05.03 | zinx | hah |
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| 12:06.30 | colde | robink :: couldnot find packages there ... |
| 12:07.43 | colde | robink :: have found |
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| 12:08.18 | bender_ | hi, debian newbie here. i'm just wondering what my options would be if i wanted to use debian on a server and have some what recent packages, as opposed to the ones in "stable" where cyrus imapd is still version 1.5 |
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| 12:08.39 | saloxin | bender_: backports... see www.apt-get.org |
| 12:08.41 | bender_ | is it advisable to run testing or unstable on a server or should i use backports on stable |
| 12:09.22 | bender_ | saloxin: thanks. checking it out now |
| 12:09.37 | streuner | How can i verify that the given command work? |
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| 12:10.08 | oskie | KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Invalid argument - keymap loading fails |
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| 12:10.37 | bender_ | one more thing. are debian packages signed using an official set of gpg keys so i can some how set up apt to reject packages when the signatures look suspicious? |
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| 12:11.03 | NakedApe | bender_: no, not yet |
| 12:11.30 | bender_ | =( |
| 12:11.35 | bender_ | that's unfortunate |
| 12:11.44 | NakedApe | work in progress |
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| 12:13.48 | bender_ | NakedApe: when you say "work in progress" does that imply that it is aimed for an upcoming release of debian or just when it's ready? |
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| 12:15.05 | saloxin | bender_: debsigs already exists, but it's not used yet |
| 12:15.34 | galois | saloxin: not used by the maintainers? |
| 12:15.54 | oce | hi, I'm using alsa driver. I want to listen to mp3 file and when it is played also to listen to a .wav file. if it was OSS I would do play -d /dev/dsp1 but of course it won't work. I can I do it? thanks |
| 12:15.55 | saloxin | galois: .deb are not currently signed. yet I hope |
| 12:16.03 | galois | ok |
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| 12:16.57 | galois | once they start could there be an offical trusted list for woody backports, etc |
| 12:17.19 | galois | just a list of people who are known to be fairly decent sorts :) |
| 12:17.34 | bender_ | is it just too much work to verify the integrity of all the packages out there right now at ftp.debian.org? just curious why it isn't mandatory to sign packages |
| 12:17.42 | saloxin | galois: hehe. Getting signed versions of ssh etc would be nice |
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| 12:18.19 | b0ef | I've compiled linux-2.4.19 with the capabilites.h file edited to make linux have posix 1e capabilities. I've recompiled jack --enable-capabilites but jackstart still reports that the kernel has capabilites disabled. Anyway to confirm that the kernel really has capabilites? |
| 12:18.27 | bender_ | i would just be content with signed packages from the official debian project |
| 12:18.30 | saloxin | bender_: it's on it's way. I don't know what is holding it up.. |
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| 12:20.44 | Nyle\away | hi, is there a debian package for a GIU user account manager for fluxbox |
| 12:20.55 | Nyle\away | back: linux. P: on L: on |
| 12:21.55 | galois | saloxin: worth a section in the weekly update? |
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| 12:22.36 | saloxin | galois: if you track down what the status is and what the plans are. My knowledge is limited :) |
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| 12:22.59 | galois | I was hoping to delegate ... |
| 12:23.01 | galois | :) |
| 12:23.17 | nwo | how is the system load calculated? it includes more than just the CPU, doesn't it? |
| 12:23.31 | bob2 | it's the length of the run queue. |
| 12:23.44 | bob2 | how many processes are ready to run at a particular time. |
| 12:23.45 | Nyle | Is there a debian package for a GIU user account manager for fluxbox? |
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| 12:23.55 | bob2 | it doesn't include those blocking on io, iirc. |
| 12:24.01 | bob2 | Nyle: for fluxbox? or for X? |
| 12:24.06 | Nyle | X |
| 12:24.08 | bob2 | Nyle: fluxbox doesn't even have a toolkit. |
| 12:24.15 | bob2 | Nyle: kuser or something. |
| 12:24.15 | Nyle | i know |
| 12:24.17 | Nyle | i meant X |
| 12:24.24 | bob2 | but all giu user thingys are pretty shit. |
| 12:24.31 | Nyle | i don't run kde |
| 12:24.35 | Nyle | i run xdm/flux |
| 12:24.40 | bob2 | yadayada. |
| 12:24.43 | Nyle | will kuser work with that |
| 12:24.44 | nwo | bob2: and its always an average? a system load of 1 is the average? |
| 12:24.55 | bob2 | Nyle: of course. |
| 12:24.59 | Nyle | ok |
| 12:25.08 | bob2 | nwo: eh? it's an average over one, five and fifteen minutes. |
| 12:25.33 | Nyle | btw, they might be shit, but they are easier to learn with. |
| 12:26.05 | bob2 | Nyle: well, not in this case. |
| 12:26.08 | saloxin | galois: hm, tempting little holiday activity :) |
| 12:26.14 | Nyle | either way |
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| 12:26.18 | bob2 | Nyle: if you type "adduser", it will ask you for a username, realname, etc... |
| 12:26.19 | nwo | bob2: Its not measured as absolute figure, its an average figure, where 1 is what my PC has as average. |
| 12:26.25 | Nyle | true |
| 12:26.36 | Nyle | but having a gui is easeier, like I said earlier |
| 12:26.47 | bob2 | well, that's of course subjective. |
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| 12:26.58 | bob2 | and I'd wager something people are trained to believe. |
| 12:26.58 | bob2 | but anyway. |
| 12:26.58 | Nyle | just as everything is relative |
| 12:27.29 | Nyle | btw, I did not know that adduser asks you |
| 12:27.42 | Nyle | i thought you had to supply a complete command with switches n stuff |
| 12:28.02 | bob2 | try it. |
| 12:28.08 | Nyle | I will |
| 12:28.18 | bob2 | very few commands in Debian are inherently dangerous. |
| 12:28.42 | bonez39 | bob2: which are top on your 'dangerous' list? |
| 12:28.49 | nevyn | rm |
| 12:29.03 | bob2 | yeah, rm. |
| 12:29.04 | nevyn | to run as root. |
| 12:29.08 | nevyn | dpkg -r |
| 12:29.09 | dpkg | nevyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:29.10 | bob2 | ah, yes, good point. |
| 12:29.11 | Nyle | hey |
| 12:29.19 | bob2 | dpkg -r isn't very dangerous. |
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| 12:29.31 | nevyn | hrm |
| 12:29.31 | bob2 | it can be undone within seconds, with no dataloss. |
| 12:29.34 | Pryon | eek. Sounds dangerous to me |
| 12:29.38 | Nyle | if i have NO kde or gnome installed, just X and fluxbox, can I still use SOME gnome/kde apps? |
| 12:29.40 | nevyn | bob2: ummm.. dpkg -r libc6 |
| 12:29.46 | bob2 | -P is, but no newbie knows about purging, anyway ;-) |
| 12:29.51 | bob2 | Nyle: of course. |
| 12:29.55 | Nyle | great |
| 12:29.57 | bob2 | nevyn: try it. |
| 12:30.08 | bob2 | dpkg will complain VERY loudly. |
| 12:30.08 | dpkg | bob2: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:30.11 | nevyn | Nyle: yesish. the applications are going to pull in a bunch of libraries. |
| 12:30.15 | nevyn | bob2: I know. |
| 12:30.34 | bob2 | nevyn: anyone who says "yes" that many times deserves to have an unusable system ;-) |
| 12:30.45 | bob2 | freebsd's installer is very pimp and very debian-ish. |
| 12:31.00 | nevyn | bob2: anyone who types "I understand what I'm doing may be a BAD IDEA do it anyway" |
| 12:31.04 | colde | cold not configure device-driver and nmodules by installing debian on lypto ( mo modules found in /target/lib/modules/2.2.20 ) any idea ?? |
| 12:31.07 | saloxin | galois: http://dpkg-sig.turmzimmer.net/ |
| 12:31.09 | nevyn | or whatver it is.. |
| 12:31.15 | bob2 | yeah. |
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| 12:32.17 | galois | saloxin: thanks |
| 12:33.02 | kzar | My pc worked fine last night. But when I try and boot it up now, instead of writing "lilo" and then carying on booting it gets as far as "li" and stops! any ideas?!? |
| 12:33.17 | bob2 | chill. |
| 12:33.27 | bob2 | and get out a bootdisk and boot from it. |
| 12:33.28 | colde | cold not configure device-driver and modules by installing debian on laptop ( mo modules found in /target/lib/modules/2.2.20 ) any idea ?? a ?? |
| 12:33.39 | bob2 | colde: your question makes no sense. |
| 12:33.43 | bob2 | colde: what isn't working? |
| 12:33.55 | kzar | what caused the problem do you think? I havnt got a boot disk. Shal I just use the debian cd? |
| 12:34.02 | bob2 | kzar: yes |
| 12:34.16 | colde | bob2 wait .. |
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| 12:34.29 | bob2 | kzar: the lilo README will explain what "li" means. |
| 12:34.49 | kzar | so its not like my whole hard drive from li onwards is buggered? |
| 12:34.58 | galois | kzar: rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
| 12:35.00 | kzar | phew :) |
| 12:35.07 | kzar | thanks v. much :) |
| 12:35.14 | kzar | il go try |
| 12:35.16 | galois | if that is your root partition |
| 12:35.24 | bpence | sooooooo hot! |
| 12:35.29 | bob2 | it's fairly unlikely your disk is toast. |
| 12:35.34 | bpence | you guys just missed a good show... |
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| 12:35.41 | kzar | what caused the piss up u think bob? |
| 12:35.47 | kzar | I don't think I really did anything |
| 12:35.55 | bob2 | did you move the disk around? |
| 12:35.59 | bob2 | repartition it? |
| 12:36.05 | bob2 | install a new kernel or remove an old one? |
| 12:36.09 | kzar | no but it is mounted to the pc crapily |
| 12:36.15 | colde | bob2 : try to install debian on a laptop via ethernet have no cdrom just floppy have used rescue.bin and roo.bin from cdrom (linux maschine ) and driver.bin ... from ftp ... |
| 12:36.34 | kzar | oh well il go try that rescue thing |
| 12:36.43 | colde | bob2 :: cold not configure devive driver and modules |
| 12:36.54 | bob2 | colde: what NIC do you have? |
| 12:37.08 | galois | colde: there is a netinstall floppy image |
| 12:37.14 | colde | bob2 :: no mofules found in /target/lib/modules/2.2.20 |
| 12:37.48 | colde | bob2 :: NIC ?? |
| 12:37.55 | streuner | colde: NIC= Ethernetcard |
| 12:38.07 | nevyn | NIC == Network Interface Card |
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| 12:38.42 | colde | streuner :: have no ethernetconnection till now |
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| 12:38.59 | bpence | Is it possible to patch from 2.4.22 up to 2.6.0? |
| 12:39.10 | nevyn | bpence: no/ |
| 12:39.15 | streuner | colde: was für ne vermaledeite Netzwerkkarte du hast, will er wissen |
| 12:39.23 | bpence | nevyn: alright, thanks. |
| 12:39.29 | bob2 | bpence: yes |
| 12:39.34 | kairo | what's documantation I check the supported scsi controllers on the woody? I need check if adaptec |
| 12:39.36 | bob2 | bpence: but there is no point at all |
| 12:39.37 | nevyn | no someone will go contradict me. even if there was a patch the difference is so great it'd hardly be worth it. |
| 12:39.38 | kairo | www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/ kernel/0010.0/0626.html - 6k - Cached |
| 12:39.43 | kairo | oops |
| 12:39.51 | bob2 | bpence: the some of the patches will FAR greater than the size of the tarball. |
| 12:39.59 | bob2 | nevyn: heh :) |
| 12:40.05 | colde | streuner :: streuner f ?? |
| 12:40.07 | kairo | what's documantation I check the supported scsi controllers on the woody? I need check if adaptec 29160 it's supported. |
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| 12:40.22 | bob2 | kairo: have you read the install guide? |
| 12:40.24 | mfbian | do you think any linux will fit on my 4G P2-300 128M laptop? i need some workstation program and openoffice |
| 12:40.39 | bob2 | gah, of course it will. |
| 12:40.51 | nevyn | mfbian: yeah debian will run fine on that imo |
| 12:40.51 | caphuso | OO won't |
| 12:40.53 | bpence | bob2: I assume there's no built image yet, so I'll have to build the source, right? |
| 12:40.59 | colde | bob2 :: any ida ?? |
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| 12:41.11 | nevyn | caphuso: rubish. it's gonna take 30 seconds to start but it'll be ok... |
| 12:41.15 | mfbian | OO won't? |
| 12:41.18 | bob2 | OO is horrific on any machine. |
| 12:41.29 | streuner | colde: Realtek 8029 or 8139 or 3Com or whatever |
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| 12:41.34 | bob2 | bpence: apt-cache --names-only search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 12:41.35 | caphuso | mfbian: it'll be too slow to be able to work decently with it |
| 12:41.38 | mfbian | i need an office suite do some typing and excel |
| 12:41.59 | colde | streuner : on linux is Realteck 8029 |
| 12:42.00 | nevyn | mfbian: kword/abiword/vi and gnumeric |
| 12:42.14 | mfbian | need to open ms office document |
| 12:42.19 | colde | streuner :: on linux ?? |
| 12:42.28 | mfbian | abiword need gnome? |
| 12:42.31 | nevyn | mfbian: abiword opens lots of word docs. |
| 12:42.47 | nevyn | mfbian: openoffice opens the ones that abiword can't open |
| 12:43.01 | streuner | colde: you need ne2k-pci then |
| 12:43.09 | bob2 | even modern word won't work on a p2-300 128mb. |
| 12:43.14 | bpence | bob2: thanks.. I didn't think there was an image out for it. |
| 12:43.18 | nevyn | mfbian: install both and use abiword where you can cause it'll be way faster on that hardware and sit through opening openoffice when you have to. |
| 12:43.23 | colde | streuner :: driver-packges ?? |
| 12:43.43 | Flane | hi, anyone experience with kernel 2.6 and cpufreq ? |
| 12:44.01 | mfbian | what about ms excel? which program can deal with it |
| 12:44.15 | bob2 | gnumeric |
| 12:44.18 | bob2 | openoffice |
| 12:44.19 | nevyn | mfbian: gnumeric |
| 12:44.22 | nevyn | or openoffice |
| 12:44.26 | bancus | gnumeric handles it pretty well |
| 12:44.30 | nevyn | gnumeric is actually very good |
| 12:44.39 | bancus | the latest versions should be able to handle it perfectly |
| 12:44.44 | bancus | although you'd need to run sid for that |
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| 12:45.03 | nevyn | mfbian: it's certainly doable anyway |
| 12:45.04 | bancus | but even older versions should handle it well enough |
| 12:45.10 | nwo | is the system load an absolute value? so if I have a load of 5 is that hight or low? |
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| 12:45.21 | nevyn | I have a PIII 500 with 128meg that I run kde on quite happily. |
| 12:45.23 | bob2 | nevyn: do you have 5 cpus? |
| 12:45.30 | bob2 | nwo: ^ |
| 12:45.40 | nevyn | bob2: ? |
| 12:45.40 | nwo | bob2: 1 cpu |
| 12:45.44 | bancus | what? |
| 12:45.45 | nevyn | ah |
| 12:45.49 | bob2 | nwo: then five is rather high. |
| 12:45.57 | bancus | I've had loads greater than 1 on a single CPU |
| 12:45.58 | mfbian | does abiword2 require gnome? |
| 12:46.06 | bancus | mfbian, abiword-gnome package does |
| 12:46.07 | nwo | bob2: so 1 per CPU is a good thing? |
| 12:46.11 | bpence | I'm getting a Gdk-CRITIAL **: file gdkfont.c: line 220 (gdk_font_ref): assertion 'font := NULL' failed. I get that twice while starting ymessenger, and then it seg faults. what causes that? ymessenger was working fine before, now it's bombing. |
| 12:46.11 | bob2 | bancus: of course. |
| 12:46.17 | bob2 | nwo: very, very, very roughly. |
| 12:46.18 | mfbian | i don't want gnome or kde |
| 12:46.29 | netbrain | Failed to load module glide (a required submodule could not be loaded.) where can i find the libglide2x.so file? what deb package? |
| 12:46.30 | nevyn | nwo: the lower the number is the better. |
| 12:46.40 | bob2 | mfbian: blahblah, what does that mean? it uses gnome libraries, so libapt will pull them in. |
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| 12:47.07 | colde | streuner :: where to use ne2k ?? |
| 12:47.16 | nevyn | nwo: the load shows the number of processes that are runnable and waiting for time on the cpu(s) |
| 12:47.24 | bob2 | mfbian: you don't need to be running the gnome panel for it. |
| 12:47.27 | nevyn | nwo: so the lower the better.. |
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| 12:47.52 | strerror | whats the name of the openldap package in SID? i cant seem to find the server just the utils |
| 12:47.54 | nwo | nevyn: a load of 1 are how many processes waiting? |
| 12:48.04 | bob2 | strerror: slapd. |
| 12:48.13 | nevyn | 1 process that want's to run can't because the cpu is busy |
| 12:48.16 | strerror | bob2: thanks |
| 12:48.25 | nevyn | and it's an average over time and stuff.. |
| 12:48.37 | bob2 | nwo: my gateway often has a load average of 0.01 |
| 12:48.45 | nwo | nevyn: and how do you get real values instead of integers? |
| 12:48.53 | nevyn | nevyn@chuckie:~$ uptime |
| 12:48.54 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.03 | nevyn | nwo: it's an average over time. |
| 12:49.14 | bob2 | it's the average over one minute |
| 12:49.36 | nevyn | bob2: no it's not |
| 12:49.46 | nevyn | it's the average for 1 minute 5 minutes and 10 minutes |
| 12:49.51 | nevyn | that's why 3 numbers |
| 12:49.54 | nwo | nevyn: I got it |
| 12:50.13 | linuxfreck | it'S 1, 5 and 15 minutes though |
| 12:50.19 | bob2 | nevyn: I meant just the first one. |
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| 12:50.21 | colde | bob2 :: where is ne2k important for ? driver-packages ? |
| 12:50.25 | bob2 | nevyn: scroll up, I already said that :) |
| 12:50.34 | bob2 | colde: it's your network card driver. |
| 12:50.57 | nevyn | linuxfreck: blah I just read the manpage..corruption during transfer.. |
| 12:51.03 | nevyn | brain's need crc checking |
| 12:51.10 | bob2 | ECC! |
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| 12:51.54 | strerror | anyone else running SID with 2.6. SMP boxes had any problems ? my smp machine is sitting at a loadavg of 1 even though there is no IO wait / cpu usage that I can see |
| 12:52.03 | NakedApe | Has any Heimdal gurus found their way in here yet? :) |
| 12:52.15 | bob2 | ~guru |
| 12:52.18 | | guru is, like, the ever-immodest Tim Riker |
| 12:52.21 | bob2 | ~gurus |
| 12:52.26 | bob2 | bah |
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| 12:53.34 | colde | bob2;; is he impotant for coose of downloadfiles ?? |
| 12:53.49 | oven | good morning :) |
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| 12:55.26 | colde | bob2 :: and where to find i so ?? |
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| 12:55.39 | bob2 | colde: is german your native language? |
| 12:55.46 | Chameleon21 | ello all |
| 12:56.15 | colde | bob2 :: yes |
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| 12:56.30 | bob2 | !+german |
| 12:56.30 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 12:57.01 | oven | does make-kpkg work with kernel 2.6? I read a comment on kerneltrap which states that it doesn't |
| 12:57.17 | kairo | bob2: /part |
| 12:57.19 | kairo | ops |
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| 12:57.41 | bob2 | oven: did for me three days ago |
| 12:57.41 | netbrain | anyone have ati radeon 9600 pro supported in x? |
| 12:57.56 | oven | bob2 - ok, thanks. Then I'll give it a try :) |
| 12:57.59 | bob2 | www.xfree86.org |
| 12:58.10 | tux-helper | netbrain : needs drivers or xfree4.3 |
| 12:58.11 | colde | bob2 :: Ehernetcard of Laptop ( where sth system is to inetall is REady - LInk |
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| 12:58.26 | oven | bob2 - did you use your 2.4 config as a starting point, or did you start from scratch? |
| 12:58.35 | bob2 | colde: deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 12:58.40 | netbrain | tux-helper: where can i get drivers. from official site? |
| 12:58.50 | bob2 | oven: start over, you'll have loads of problems if you try to oldconfig up. |
| 12:59.22 | oven | bob2 - ok |
| 12:59.39 | tux-helper | netbrain : read this http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=82287e644813b6a61fb1ee9b9dacb6cc&showtopic=3529 |
| 13:00.09 | colde | bob2 : its more intresting to talk the problems |
| 13:00.12 | netbrain | ok.. thanks.. |
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| 13:00.47 | tux-helper | netbrain direct link http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=16&submit.y=13&submit=GO%21que |
| 13:01.36 | bob2 | colde: huh? |
| 13:02.35 | netbrain | hm. to bad i cant copy & paste |
| 13:02.44 | netbrain | fuck.. |
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| 13:02.55 | bob2 | this is why everyone should us GPM. |
| 13:02.59 | tux-helper | netbrain: why can't u copy and paste? |
| 13:03.07 | bob2 | also, you can use the vesa X server for now. |
| 13:03.10 | netbrain | cus im in console. without mouse. |
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| 13:03.35 | netbrain | is irssi logging by default? |
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| 13:03.43 | ecstatix | netbrain: gpm works in console silly |
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| 13:03.54 | netbrain | ecstatix: yeh.. right.. |
| 13:04.01 | mfbian | netbrain: you can set it to login servers by default |
| 13:04.14 | oven | netbrain - use screen; then you will be able to copy/paste without a mouse |
| 13:04.22 | bob2 | gpm *does* work on a console. |
| 13:04.25 | bob2 | if you configure it correctly. |
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| 13:05.09 | netbrain | okay.. anyways.. tux-helper could you be so kind to mail the addr. to me? |
| 13:05.22 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:05.32 | netbrain | hehe.. stop it :D |
| 13:06.17 | oskie | where can I find old releases of packages, e.g. sysvinit 2.85-4.1? |
| 13:06.28 | nevyn | snapshot.debian.org |
| 13:06.36 | colde | streuner :: does ready-link also works under ne2k ?? |
| 13:06.43 | nwo | which command line tools give you nice information about your sys status? |
| 13:06.54 | nevyn | what kind of nice information? |
| 13:07.42 | netbrain | hey.. gpm worked.. hahah first time ever! |
| 13:07.48 | colde | bob2 :: huh did not help |
| 13:07.54 | netbrain | thanks guys |
| 13:07.57 | bob2 | colde: what are you talking about? |
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| 13:08.09 | colde | ethernet .. |
| 13:08.09 | bob2 | colde: load the ne2k-pci moduel. "modprobe ne2k-pci". |
| 13:08.35 | colde | bob2 it is redylink !! |
| 13:08.52 | colde | bob2 :: readylink !! |
| 13:09.04 | oven | colde - it might be ne2k-compatible. |
| 13:09.17 | colde | oven :: great .. |
| 13:09.25 | bob2 | what does "readylink" mean? |
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| 13:10.05 | colde | oven .:: so it might be no problem if i found the right driver - packages |
| 13:10.18 | azreal | what would be the fastest image viewer for loading 5 meg average pics off a cd, i would have thought qiv would have been much faster, but its not seeming to be performing too well either |
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| 13:10.57 | colde | oven :: but does modules have to installed via ethernet of via floppy ?? |
| 13:10.58 | bob2 | copy them off the cd |
| 13:11.07 | bob2 | anything hitting the cd drive is going to be slow as shit. |
| 13:11.12 | azreal | jpegs to be more specific, qiv uses imlib. is there a faster way? |
| 13:11.13 | bob2 | colde: load the goddamn module with modprobe. |
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| 13:11.26 | bob2 | root_: create a user account and come back. |
| 13:11.30 | oven | colde - modprobe ne2k-pci |
| 13:11.39 | oven | colde - just type that into your console, as root. |
| 13:11.53 | azreal | bob2: well its a 40x cd, on a scsi u160 controller, i would expect it to be pretty fast, no? |
| 13:11.57 | ecstatix | Am running Debian Unstable and KDE, the system locks up at times and I have to do a cold boot. anyone had that problem and a fix? |
| 13:12.15 | bob2 | azreal: it will be orders of magnitued slower than your harddisk. |
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| 13:12.21 | bob2 | azreal: and the seek time is HORRENDOUS. |
| 13:12.23 | oven | azreal - the latency of cd-roms are pretty high. Seek time is about ten times that of a hard drive |
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| 13:12.35 | afaik | I thought to set my ip to, say 192.168.0.50 on a dhcp client, I just typed "ifconfig eth 192.168.0.50 netmast 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255"? |
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| 13:12.55 | azreal | oki |
| 13:12.56 | bob2 | assuming that line is correct, yes. |
| 13:12.59 | bob2 | or edit /neneint |
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| 13:13.10 | azreal | i will just copy them then |
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| 13:13.32 | debian | ecstatix: no |
| 13:13.32 | colde | oven :: ok try to install my networkconnection first .. |
| 13:13.59 | oven | colde - no need to do that. If the module loads without errors, it will probably work |
| 13:14.01 | ecstatix | debian you using the kde available in testing? or how did you install KDE? |
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| 13:14.26 | colde | oven :: aha ... |
| 13:14.27 | ecstatix | debian mine is a spanking new setup, less than 2 weeks old, and i have'nt messed around much |
| 13:14.36 | debian | ecstatix: I'm using sid |
| 13:14.37 | bob2 | !+crash |
| 13:14.38 | dpkg | if you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms submissions text boxes. |
| 13:14.44 | bob2 | !+crashs |
| 13:14.47 | bob2 | !+crashes |
| 13:14.48 | dpkg | This is not windows. Things do not "crash". Your application might core, your kernel might oops, but it does not "crash". If you're talking about crashing, it better be planes or heads, not your Debian GNU/Linux System. |
| 13:14.51 | ecstatix | debian this is like X freezes at times. me too = sid |
| 13:14.52 | bob2 | ecstatix: ^ |
| 13:15.00 | bob2 | ecstatix: soemthing outside KDE is seriously broken. |
| 13:15.16 | Flane | hi, how can i get my current cpu freq ? |
| 13:15.20 | ecstatix | bob2 well, all other WMs work fine. |
| 13:15.29 | ecstatix | Flane less /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 13:16.02 | ecstatix | bob2 all other meaning icewm, fvwm, xfce, ion, wmaker, blackbox and gnome/metacity/sawfish |
| 13:16.09 | Flane | ecstatix: but there is only minimum CPU freuquenz - maximum - policy and nothing else --- seems only to be the header |
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| 13:16.21 | azreal | anyone able to dock gkrellm in wmaker, i cant for some reason, the man page says "maybe it will dock" which is pretty vague |
| 13:16.23 | bob2 | ecstatix: again, it's not physically possible for KDE to hardlock your machine. |
| 13:16.29 | bob2 | azreal: gkrellm -w |
| 13:16.40 | bob2 | ecstatix: is it consuming all ram or cpu or something? |
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| 13:16.52 | azreal | bob2: i tried that, i just end up with a plain old icon |
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| 13:17.13 | debian | ecstatix: all we can say is 'no' when you don't find any logs or error message |
| 13:17.18 | azreal | bob2: if i dock that, it just sits there blank, no app |
| 13:17.26 | kzar | is lame in apt-get ? |
| 13:17.48 | bob2 | kzar: it's not in Debian, no. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 13:17.53 | bob2 | kzar: it's in that archive, however. |
| 13:18.08 | ecstatix | debian is there some place where the error logs would be? what happens is X locks up with a "could'nt connect to something, etc) and stops, and i cant get to any tty. |
| 13:18.10 | bob2 | azreal: oh, dunno then, I've only ever "docked" it in *box and kahakai. |
| 13:18.17 | quick | i got a problem with ip-forwarding :( [dsl-modem -> dsl-router -> debian-server -> win-client] nearly everything works, but the debian server does not act as a router, i tried much but didnt get it work |
| 13:18.20 | debian | ecstatix: and bob2 is right. It's almost impossible for kde to hardlock your system. If you could find another box you might still be able to ssh into it |
| 13:18.23 | ecstatix | debian which log file would carry a log of those things? |
| 13:18.40 | bob2 | quick: "doesn't act as a router"? |
| 13:18.41 | Aquarina | what package is the 'c librarys'?! |
| 13:18.50 | bob2 | Aquarina: libc6, you have it already. |
| 13:18.57 | queuetue | I'm doing a net install form us.debian.org, and the apt package was corrupt for three tries, then worked fine. Is this anything to be alarmed about? |
| 13:18.58 | ecstatix | debian i understand. I update-rc.d'ed and removed sshd 2-3 days back from startup |
| 13:18.59 | debian | ecstatix: you can ask in #debian-kde about ath. |
| 13:19.00 | quick | yea, does not forward the packets |
| 13:19.02 | bob2 | Aquarina: if you mean, "which package has the basic C header files?", then libc6-dev |
| 13:19.04 | Aquarina | yes... i think i have! |
| 13:19.06 | bob2 | quick: did you tell it to? |
| 13:19.09 | ecstatix | debian thanks! |
| 13:19.13 | quick | yes! |
| 13:19.14 | debian | ecstatix: good luck |
| 13:19.22 | bob2 | Aquarina: if you mean "what do I need to build basic C and C++ programs on Debian?", then install build-essential |
| 13:19.23 | quick | i installed ipmasq and set ip_forward to 1 |
| 13:19.31 | Aquarina | bob2: i'm having problems to compile the kernel |
| 13:19.46 | Aquarina | is it because i might not have those? |
| 13:19.54 | bob2 | Aquarina: yes, of course. |
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| 13:20.01 | ecstatix | debian also, i would like to know if there is a nice way to log, and put logs into a particular area of the drive from /var/log and clean it up occasioanlly. Is there a automatic script for doing it or something? |
| 13:20.02 | bob2 | you at least need a C compiler to compile C code. |
| 13:20.04 | Aquarina | bob2: ;) |
| 13:20.15 | Aquarina | but... i do have gcc |
| 13:20.26 | bob2 | you need binutils |
| 13:20.35 | bob2 | and other stuff I can't think of right now |
| 13:20.48 | Aquarina | er... think I also have that... how can i be shure? |
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| 13:20.49 | ecstatix | Aquarina /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes. read that |
| 13:20.52 | oven | Aquarina - just apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:20.53 | quick | :/ |
| 13:21.07 | beta3 | bob2: build-essential should solve this issue |
| 13:21.10 | oven | Aquarina - if you have everything in it, nothing will be installed. If not, things are gonna work better. |
| 13:21.16 | bob2 | beta3: yes |
| 13:21.18 | bob2 | Aquarina: install build-essential |
| 13:21.21 | Aquarina | ecstatix: i read that! |
| 13:21.24 | Aquarina | ok |
| 13:21.43 | bob2 | quick: can you ping the internal interface of your debian machine from your internal network? |
| 13:21.48 | oven | ecstatix - sounds like you need logrotate |
| 13:21.48 | ecstatix | Aquarina if you read the Changes file, and did what they asked you to, you should have _everything_ needed for kernel compile |
| 13:21.50 | quick | yes |
| 13:21.55 | Aquarina | i'll investigate those... is that a metapackage? |
| 13:22.00 | quick | bob2: every ethernet device works |
| 13:22.11 | ecstatix | oven that name sounds exactly like i want to do. will read. |
| 13:22.15 | bob2 | quick: that's nto what I asked... |
| 13:22.51 | Aquarina | ecstatix: it says I need what the kernel 2.4 said... I downloaded the 2.4 to look into and it mentioned 2.2.... |
| 13:22.53 | quick | bob2: i can ping the debian server from the win client, but cannot ping the dsl-router from the winclient |
| 13:23.08 | bob2 | quick: can you ping the extrenal interface of the debian machine from the client? |
| 13:23.20 | ecstatix | Aquarina what kernel do you want to build? |
| 13:23.25 | Aquarina | 2.6 |
| 13:23.44 | ecstatix | Aquarina well, in addition to all that, you will need module-init-tools |
| 13:23.48 | quick | bob2: i can ping both |
| 13:23.51 | ecstatix | Aquarina apt-get that too |
| 13:24.06 | Aquarina | ecstatix: i did that olready |
| 13:24.19 | ecstatix | Aquarina well, then no reason why it won't build |
| 13:24.20 | oven | quick - what are the addresses of the two network interfaces in your linux box? |
| 13:24.29 | Aquarina | 'already'?! 'allready'?! them english!... |
| 13:24.30 | quick | 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.2.1 |
| 13:24.43 | oven | quick - and the win box is .2.2? |
| 13:24.47 | quick | yes |
| 13:24.51 | quick | and the router is 1.1 |
| 13:25.26 | Aquarina | ecstatix: i'll look into build-essencial |
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| 13:25.36 | ecstatix | its essential |
| 13:25.44 | Aquarina | lol ok |
| 13:25.59 | quick | can u help oven? |
| 13:26.38 | kzar | im trying to rip cds to mp3. Im using mp3c. Its working ok except I don't seem to have LAME encoder installed and I cant find it using apt-get. Is there a better program than mp3c or how could I install lame? |
| 13:26.39 | oven | quick - and what does ` cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ` tell you? |
| 13:26.50 | beta3 | kzar: find one |
| 13:26.51 | quick | i put in "1" |
| 13:26.57 | zeeble | Aquarina you might want to goto /usr/src/linux/scripts and run the ./ver_linux |
| 13:27.07 | quick | its "1" |
| 13:27.08 | oven | quick - yes, but just type cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward anyway |
| 13:27.11 | bob2 | kzar: I already answered you. |
| 13:27.18 | quick | yes its 1 i tried with cat... |
| 13:27.23 | oven | quick - good. |
| 13:27.29 | bob2 | kzar: with a complete and correct answer. |
| 13:27.31 | kzar | bob2: u didn't really whats mplayer got to do with it? |
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| 13:27.40 | queuetue | During this net install, I keep getting corrupt packages, and the install restarts... |
| 13:27.48 | mg_|1| | When i bind -x '"\e[24~": echo test' and then press F12 error appears: bash_execute_unix_command cannot find keymap for command |
| 13:27.50 | oven | quick - can you disable the firewalling on the linux box for a moment? |
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| 13:27.56 | hippo | hi, will kernel 2.6 work w/ woody or does it need som userspace upgrade also? |
| 13:27.59 | quick | how ? |
| 13:28.04 | quick | i think i didn install a fire wall there |
| 13:28.15 | bob2 | kzar: did you actually read what I wrote. |
| 13:28.17 | zeeble | Anyone got the LiteOn 811 S DVD Writer? or a 411 model? |
| 13:28.24 | bob2 | queuetue: what are you installing from? |
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| 13:28.51 | kzar | bob2: maybe I missed the relevant bit? I thought I did though |
| 13:28.59 | queuetue | bob2: us.debian.org |
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| 13:29.13 | bob2 | queuetue: are you behind some sort of retarded microsoft proxy? |
| 13:29.21 | oven | quick - type `iptables -L` to see if there are any rules that might stop your packets |
| 13:29.32 | queuetue | bob2: No, a debian NAT then straight to the Internet. |
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| 13:30.05 | jondo | Hello. |
| 13:30.07 | bob2 | kzar: as I said, it's in marillat's archive of slightly illegal software. |
| 13:30.35 | kzar | bob2: so I cant apt-get it? |
| 13:30.37 | jondo | Where can I find a more up to date version of cdrdao that supports ata-cd so I can use my shiny new DVD burner? |
| 13:30.43 | bob2 | kzar: ffs, nevermind. |
| 13:30.49 | kzar | k lol |
| 13:30.50 | bob2 | jondo: does it exist? |
| 13:30.50 | queuetue | Is us.debian.org ok? Should I try a different mirror? |
| 13:30.58 | bob2 | kzar: it's *IN* that archive. |
| 13:31.06 | Ubel | hello |
| 13:31.20 | kzar | ahh |
| 13:31.26 | bob2 | queuetue: http.us.debian.org resolves to a half dozen machines, it's unlikely that you're getting corrupt packages from all of them. |
| 13:31.34 | bob2 | queuetue: how are you installing? cd/floppy? |
| 13:31.49 | jondo | bob2: Apparently. Kernel 2.6.0 says it supports ata-cd. And my burning front end (K3B) says that I need a more up to date version in order to use ata-cd |
| 13:31.51 | Aquarina | zeeble: sory, i was on the other console |
| 13:32.08 | queuetue | bob2: Boot from cd - bootbf2.4 |
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| 13:32.12 | xxenon | jondo - 10.0.3 ? |
| 13:32.17 | bob2 | queuetue: a netinst iso? |
| 13:32.27 | queuetue | bob2: Yes. |
| 13:32.37 | Aquarina | zeeble: what ./ver_linux does? |
| 13:32.42 | xxenon | jondo - err 0.10.3 I meant |
| 13:32.55 | jondo | xxenon: cdrdao is at version 1.1.7? |
| 13:33.03 | xxenon | jondo - k3b version |
| 13:33.03 | bob2 | queuetue: did the md5sum match? |
| 13:33.40 | zeeble | Aquarina its a script supploed by the kernel developers to chech the versions of software installed on your machine. You then compare it against the kernel requirements |
| 13:33.41 | jondo | xxenon: K3B version is 0.10.99 (october 20 cvs) |
| 13:33.59 | queuetue | bob2: For the iso? I'm going to say yes (I don't remember checking, but I do regularly, and I've installed 10 or 15 other boxes with this same disk...) |
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| 13:34.03 | Aquarina | zeeble: ok tks |
| 13:34.04 | xxenon | jondo - I had a warning too, but it still worked |
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| 13:34.18 | jondo | really.. with cdrdao 1.1.7? |
| 13:34.22 | bob2 | queuetue: ok, cool. some of the packages it will install come from the cd, the corruption could be there. |
| 13:34.31 | jondo | xxenon: and no SCSI-emu? |
| 13:34.44 | xxenon | jondo - nope, simply ide cd |
| 13:34.52 | jondo | xxenon: Cool. |
| 13:34.59 | jondo | xxenon: I'll give it a whirl. |
| 13:35.01 | queuetue | bob2: No, I'm definitely getting bad data form the servers - it just reported that the server was unavailable, an dit always dies on a different package. |
| 13:35.10 | bob2 | queuetue: hmmm, I don't really know what else to suggest. |
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| 13:35.15 | bob2 | queuetue: is your net connection ok? |
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| 13:35.49 | P_ablo | where i can find info about free space on partition in /proc ??? |
| 13:35.56 | queuetue | bob2: No complaints otherwise... I'm not getting errors with anything else. |
| 13:36.25 | colde | owen :: ok have probed modprobe ne2k-pci but didnt?`t work , still no /lib/modules/2.4.18... availble ... |
| 13:36.52 | zeeble | P_ablo less /proc/meminfo |
| 13:37.04 | zeeble | P_ablo http://rute.sf.net |
| 13:37.04 | bob2 | P_ablo: are you sure it's in there? |
| 13:37.07 | bob2 | queuetue: hmmm |
| 13:37.29 | P_ablo | bob2: no im not |
| 13:37.35 | P_ablo | zeeble: ill check, thanks |
| 13:37.49 | queuetue | No one else is reporting a problem? |
| 13:38.00 | Nyle | hi |
| 13:38.08 | Nyle | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: c compiler cannot create executables |
| 13:38.10 | colde | oven :: ok have probed modprobe ne2k-pci but didnt?`t work , still no /lib/modules/2.4.18... availble ... |
| 13:38.11 | streuner | colde: it is prolly compiled in kernel NOT as module |
| 13:38.15 | queuetue | I suppose it's on my end, then - I'll double check the network, swap out the card, etc... |
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| 13:38.20 | bob2 | queuetue: as I said, it goes to quite a few different servers, it's highly unlikley that the problem is with Debian's servers... |
| 13:38.22 | Nyle | it won't let me do ./configure |
| 13:38.24 | bob2 | Nyle: install build-essential |
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| 13:38.37 | Nyle | whats that |
| 13:38.39 | bob2 | Nyle: it will let you run it, you just don't have gcc and headers installed. |
| 13:38.46 | galois | ~tell Nyle about kp |
| 13:38.49 | Nyle | i did |
| 13:38.50 | bob2 | Nyle: blah, I'm not your mommy. |
| 13:38.57 | Nyle | i installed gcc and c and make |
| 13:38.58 | bob2 | Nyle: apt-cache show build-essential |
| 13:39.24 | galois | Nyle: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package |
| 13:39.34 | bob2 | he's not building a kernel. |
| 13:39.42 | ecstatix | heh |
| 13:39.43 | galois | ok, sorry |
| 13:39.46 | bob2 | unless the kernel has been autoconfisised while I wasn't looking :) |
| 13:40.07 | bob2 | kp is good general advice, anyway :) |
| 13:40.09 | ecstatix | galois what does a galois mean? similar to a galosh? |
| 13:40.11 | Nyle | what am i supposed to be lookin for |
| 13:40.16 | Nyle | i think its installed |
| 13:40.17 | bob2 | Nyle: install build-essential |
| 13:40.19 | bob2 | ffs |
| 13:40.21 | bob2 | check |
| 13:40.25 | galois | ecstatix: french mathematician |
| 13:40.28 | ecstatix | gcc --version |
| 13:40.30 | Nyle | don't lose your patience |
| 13:40.32 | Nyle | chill |
| 13:40.32 | ecstatix | galois oh ok |
| 13:40.34 | bob2 | randomly talkign crap on IRC is pointless. |
| 13:40.35 | colde | streuner :: modues cold not be loaded ... |
| 13:40.41 | bob2 | Nyle: dpkg -l build-essential |
| 13:40.49 | Nyle | looks like i have it |
| 13:40.49 | bob2 | Nyle: you don't have it installed, hwoever. |
| 13:40.54 | fearl | bob2: holy shit, hows life been treating ya? |
| 13:41.05 | P_ablo | zeeble: nothing interesting in cat /proc/meminfo |
| 13:41.13 | bob2 | Nyle: did you read the legend at the top of the output, explaining what the first two characters mean? |
| 13:41.22 | ecstatix | P_ablo what do you want to look for? |
| 13:41.29 | queuetue | bob2: Hrm. The interface had stopped working. I could not ping the gateway, so I did an ifconfig down and re-set it up in the installer... Any idea what that's all about? |
| 13:41.32 | bob2 | fearl: hmmm, not too shabby. drowning in slightly broken hardware, but otherwise good. yourself? |
| 13:41.48 | Nyle | i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 13:41.51 | bob2 | queuetue: hmmm, that's nto good. any badness in the output of "dmesg" |
| 13:41.55 | Nyle | apt-cache show build-essential |
| 13:41.57 | Nyle | i did that |
| 13:41.58 | P_ablo | ecstatix: free space on partition |
| 13:41.59 | bob2 | GR |
| 13:42.01 | P_ablo | but not swap |
| 13:42.04 | Nyle | and it showed me a whole crapload of stuff |
| 13:42.04 | bob2 | Nyle: no |
| 13:42.09 | zeeble | P_ablo oh. that. df -h |
| 13:42.11 | Nyle | dependencies |
| 13:42.13 | Nyle | maintaner |
| 13:42.16 | Nyle | installed size |
| 13:42.18 | bob2 | Nyle: come on, stop it. if you don't understand something, say that at the beginning. |
| 13:42.21 | fearl | bob2: other then a broken heart, everything is fine... pretty good christmas, doing good at school... I can't complain too much |
| 13:42.27 | bob2 | Nyle: "dpkg -l build-essential" |
| 13:42.28 | Nyle | so obviously i have it |
| 13:42.29 | kzar | bob2: thanks for the help with that archive thing. I got it working :) |
| 13:42.34 | bob2 | Nyle: read the first two chars and the legend above them. |
| 13:42.47 | Nyle | what first twho chars |
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| 13:42.50 | Nyle | wtf are you going on about |
| 13:42.50 | bob2 | Nyle: no, apt-cache knows nothing about what you actually have installed, it knows what apt can install. |
| 13:42.51 | Nyle | WHERE! |
| 13:42.55 | P_ablo | zeeble: i want to use that in php script so that i prefer /proc |
| 13:42.56 | bob2 | stop being a moron. |
| 13:43.03 | bob2 | Nyle: dpkg -l build-essential |
| 13:43.09 | bob2 | Nyle: on the last line, the first two characters. |
| 13:43.22 | bob2 | fearl: good to hear. |
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| 13:43.27 | Nyle | it says th |
| 13:43.32 | bob2 | yes |
| 13:43.35 | zeeble | P_ablo there is already a php script available. check out http://phpsysinfo.sf.net |
| 13:43.38 | bob2 | which means it is NOT installed |
| 13:43.41 | bob2 | install it |
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| 13:43.51 | queuetue | bob2: I already blamed the card and rebooted with another one. |
| 13:43.54 | zeeble | P_ablo maybe that will tell you which file to look at |
| 13:43.54 | Nyle | dude |
| 13:43.59 | Nyle | what are you talking about |
| 13:44.03 | Nyle | what two characters |
| 13:44.07 | Nyle | where on which lalst goddamn line |
| 13:44.09 | P_ablo | zeeble: thanks |
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| 13:44.14 | Nyle | be more specific |
| 13:44.18 | motu | how do i create a mount point on the local machine that points to a directory in a remote machine's UNIX file system |
| 13:44.18 | streuner | colde: anyway, what are you trying to do, your i-net-connection seems to work? |
| 13:44.29 | bob2 | Nyle: no |
| 13:44.36 | bob2 | Nyle: install the build-essential package |
| 13:44.48 | bob2 | Nyle: then learn to be polite, then read the full output from dpkg. |
| 13:44.51 | fearl | Nyle: ummm, th presumably, you are gonna make bob2 insane dude, just install the package like he said about 5 mins ago |
| 13:44.57 | nevyn | motu: nfs/samba/coda pick one |
| 13:44.57 | bob2 | queuetue: hm, very, very odd. |
| 13:45.02 | Phoboo | Hello debian folks, anybody who know how to shange the default xterm? ( that will execute console commands in the main meny ) |
| 13:45.13 | Nyle | ITS already fukin installed |
| 13:45.15 | Nyle | godamn |
| 13:45.19 | bob2 | Nyle: hwo do you know that? |
| 13:45.20 | Nyle | are you so thick!? |
| 13:45.22 | nevyn | Phoboo: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 13:45.24 | motu | nevyn: itll work over internet? |
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| 13:45.27 | Nyle | cuz it says so in front of my face |
| 13:45.31 | bob2 | Nyle: WHERE? |
| 13:45.35 | Phoboo | nevyn: thax! |
| 13:45.35 | nevyn | motu: yes |
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| 13:45.39 | colde | streuner :: modues cold not be loaded ... |
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| 13:45.41 | Nyle | in the terminal i typed it in |
| 13:45.46 | bob2 | Nyle: For fuck's sake. |
| 13:45.49 | bob2 | Nyle: are you stupid? |
| 13:45.50 | nevyn | Phoboo: if it still executes xterm then file a bug on the package. |
| 13:45.51 | zeeble | motu are you really fat? |
| 13:45.55 | bob2 | Nyle: WHAT FUCKING COMMAND SAYS IT IS INSTALLED? |
| 13:45.57 | Nyle | does it sound like im stupid? |
| 13:46.04 | streuner | colde: which context? |
| 13:46.06 | colde | streuner : no it linux maschine ... |
| 13:46.07 | bob2 | if you reply with "apt-cache", I will beat you to death with a man page. |
| 13:46.08 | motu | zeeble: ? |
| 13:46.16 | Nyle | fine |
| 13:46.17 | zeeble | Nyle do gcc --version and tell what you get |
| 13:46.17 | Nyle | whatever |
| 13:46.19 | fearl | Nyle: '/exec -o dpkg -l build-essential | grep ^ii' <-- do this |
| 13:46.22 | Nyle | tell me what to type |
| 13:46.23 | beta3 | Nyle: your a fucking moron |
| 13:46.25 | Nyle | i'll fuckin do it |
| 13:46.28 | bob2 | Nyle: exactly, I'm write, don't ignore me. |
| 13:46.30 | oskie | is there a friendly overview of channels on this net? /list is so stupid.. |
| 13:46.34 | bob2 | Nyle: dpkg -l build-essential |
| 13:46.40 | streuner | colde: yeah, of course, but what are you trying? |
| 13:46.44 | bob2 | Nyle: will show that it is NOT installed. hence, install it. |
| 13:46.44 | beta3 | bob2: s/write/right/ |
| 13:46.51 | bob2 | er, right ;-) |
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| 13:47.14 | Nyle | it spit out a few lines |
| 13:47.21 | Nyle | pn |
| 13:47.24 | Nyle | first two chars |
| 13:47.28 | bob2 | exactly. |
| 13:47.31 | colde | streuner :: installing on laptop ... |
| 13:47.32 | bob2 | which means it is NTO installed. |
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| 13:47.37 | bob2 | as I said fifteen minutes ago. |
| 13:47.40 | hippo | Nyle: apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:47.40 | Nyle | u didn't tell me to do this last time |
| 13:47.44 | bob2 | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 13:47.48 | Nyle | i was looking at the cache command |
| 13:47.53 | streuner | colde: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 13:47.55 | Nyle | i didnt see those two chars there |
| 13:47.55 | Nyle | duh |
| 13:47.56 | zeeble | easier way is prolly to type tasksel, select C and C++ development in the Development section and go ahead |
| 13:47.58 | Nyle | wrong command |
| 13:47.59 | Nyle | anyway |
| 13:48.01 | Nyle | lets move on |
| 13:48.05 | bob2 | 00:42:50 bob2 | Nyle: no, apt-cache knows nothing about what you actually have |
| 13:48.09 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.11 | bob2 | 00:46:07 bob2 | if you reply with "apt-cache", I will beat you to death with a man page. |
| 13:48.13 | fearl | Nyle: or simply 'dpkg -l build-essential | grep ^ii' yourself, if nothing returns, its not installed, it it does list a version, bob is sorry for being rude... if it returns nothing, you need to apologize |
| 13:48.15 | bob2 | etc, etc. |
| 13:48.23 | zeeble | bob2 calm down: |
| 13:48.23 | bob2 | Nyle: install the build-essential package |
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| 13:48.27 | colde | don`t know its an old one but works .. |
| 13:48.33 | Nyle | i am |
| 13:48.36 | bob2 | we've been through this too many times. |
| 13:48.37 | quick | ove? |
| 13:48.39 | quick | oven |
| 13:48.45 | streuner | colde: what brand, siemens? |
| 13:48.46 | bob2 | and don't call me a moron unless you are VERY sure. |
| 13:48.54 | beta3 | bob2: the flow of idiots is high this morning |
| 13:48.55 | colde | streuner modules cold not be load , how to load them form harddisk ?? |
| 13:48.55 | zeeble | heh |
| 13:48.56 | Nyle | when did i call u a moron |
| 13:48.56 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:49.14 | mfbian | i did |
| 13:49.21 | beta3 | bob2: sometimes they don't understand anything more blunt than your a MORON |
| 13:49.22 | oskie | bob2: you were the one who called him moron! |
| 13:49.23 | colde | streuner cold be .. |
| 13:49.27 | zeeble | Nyle go ahead and correct your error. just dont do it again. |
| 13:49.31 | Nyle | oh just cuz im new to linux, means im an idiot |
| 13:49.32 | beta3 | oskie: no that would be me |
| 13:49.34 | streuner | colde: siemens, dell, ibm or what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 13:49.38 | bob2 | 00:45:20 Nyle | are you so thick!? |
| 13:49.45 | Nyle | -7:48a- beta3: bob2: the flow of idiots is high this morning <- quiet a mature thing to say |
| 13:49.56 | bob2 | anyway |
| 13:49.59 | Nyle | most linux gurus i come across are assholes |
| 13:50.01 | oskie | <bob2> stop being a moron. <- maybe it was addressed to someone else |
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| 13:50.04 | bob2 | read mroe carefully in future. |
| 13:50.08 | beta3 | Nyle: I wouldn't be talking, you live in a shack |
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| 13:50.11 | bob2 | and there won't be problems. |
| 13:50.13 | colde | streuner : is no name on it .. |
| 13:50.17 | nevyn | beta3: trailer.... |
| 13:50.22 | Nyle | * Added *!*beta3@beta3.registered.freenode to ignore list |
| 13:50.24 | Nyle | bugger off |
| 13:50.27 | zeeble | Nyle they're not. its just that some people make others behave the wrong way. |
| 13:50.28 | beta3 | nevyn: is that some kind of upgrade |
| 13:50.32 | nevyn | heh |
| 13:50.34 | fearl | Nyle: if you are new to Linux and picked Debian as your first experience... yes... it shows you didn't even attempt to research your options, and jumped head in, thats your fault... |
| 13:50.34 | Nyle | eitherway |
| 13:50.37 | Nyle | no more arguments |
| 13:50.40 | Nyle | just chill |
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| 13:50.43 | Nyle | and help each other out |
| 13:50.51 | Nyle | don't have time to get personal |
| 13:50.54 | Nyle | merry xmas |
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| 13:51.19 | Nyle | now its installed |
| 13:51.21 | queuetue | Now, the machine won't boot - complains about a bad EIP value and dbootstrap dies (solid grey screen) |
| 13:51.22 | zeeble | Nyle if you just go and read the debian user manual, admin manual, you'd save yourself lots of effort and prolly become a "guru" really fast |
| 13:51.23 | Nyle | now what |
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| 13:51.25 | zakame | hello, i'm on a public box! |
| 13:51.29 | Nyle | dude |
| 13:51.34 | bob2 | queuetue: that sounds like a hardware problem. |
| 13:51.43 | bob2 | fearl: yeah, amen. |
| 13:51.46 | beta3 | !say Nyle, try reading it helps |
| 13:51.47 | dpkg | Nyle, try reading it helps |
| 13:51.48 | Nyle | I have exactly 10 browser windows open, different manuals and handbooks |
| 13:51.49 | twistednerve | having a problem on my dvd drive where when I enable dma, it appears to take when I run hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd, but if I then immediately run hdparm /dev/hdd, it will show disabled. Anyone know anything about this? |
| 13:51.57 | jondo | xxenon: It worked! ;) |
| 13:52.02 | streuner | colde: take a look at the back of the laptop, there must be something which indicates some infos at least... |
| 13:52.04 | bob2 | twistednerve: are you using ide-scsi? |
| 13:52.12 | twistednerve | bob2, not yet. |
| 13:52.17 | twistednerve | need to? |
| 13:52.26 | bob2 | no |
| 13:52.26 | Nyle | well, the packge is installed, now what? |
| 13:52.28 | zeeble | Nyle 10 is'nt really helpful. first read the "user" manual and then the "Admin"manual. too many cooks spoil the broth, right? |
| 13:52.29 | beta3 | !say Nyle: The manual is there for a reason, RTFM |
| 13:52.30 | dpkg | Nyle: The manual is there for a reason, RTFM |
| 13:52.31 | twistednerve | wait, maybe I am. |
| 13:52.38 | Nyle | oh my fucking god |
| 13:52.39 | bob2 | Nyle: now do whatever you were trying to do before. |
| 13:52.40 | twistednerve | bob2: I might be, just realized. |
| 13:52.40 | Nyle | just shut up |
| 13:52.48 | bob2 | Nyle: that test will pass, another may or may not fail. |
| 13:52.51 | Nyle | don't tell me what to read and what not to read man |
| 13:52.52 | Nyle | damn |
| 13:52.55 | chemicallyrelian | is the dvd drive a rw or ro ? |
| 13:52.57 | bob2 | Nyle: you said you had beta3 on /ignore |
| 13:52.57 | twistednerve | bob2: will that cause a problem? |
| 13:53.01 | colde | streuner :: there is no need for this ... |
| 13:53.02 | beta3 | bob2: good old dpkg say :) |
| 13:53.04 | Nyle | i been reading a crapload |
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| 13:53.08 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:53.09 | Nyle | user manual |
| 13:53.13 | zakame | gcompris from gnome-fifth-toe doesn't work... it segfaults. any hints? |
| 13:53.14 | Nyle | linux handbook |
| 13:53.16 | bob2 | twistednerve: ide-scsi will break it, afaik,. |
| 13:53.22 | Nyle | and whatever docs i found on debian site |
| 13:53.26 | bob2 | zakame: from Debian? |
| 13:53.27 | streuner | colde: we need some infos, otherwise we can't help |
| 13:53.36 | twistednerve | bob2: is there a version of the kernel where it is fixed? |
| 13:53.36 | zakame | yep, unstable... |
| 13:53.44 | bob2 | Nyle: dpkg knows about installed packages. apt-cache knows about installable packages. |
| 13:53.45 | zophyx | Nyle: i think you'll be a typical linux guru |
| 13:53.48 | azreal | Nyle: penthouse forum? |
| 13:53.53 | beta3 | bob2: I got accepted into debian-installer crew |
| 13:53.54 | Nyle | i see |
| 13:53.58 | Nyle | i did not know that |
| 13:53.59 | bob2 | Nyle: the first two letters in each line of dpkg -l output are critical to understand. |
| 13:54.03 | zeeble | then how come you dont get it? the manual tells you to use dpkg, apt-utils etc properly. anyway. to each his reception capability from a manual |
| 13:54.07 | beta3 | bob2: now I have to apply for maintainer ship |
| 13:54.09 | bob2 | twistednerve: 2.6, aiui. |
| 13:54.12 | bob2 | beta3: you did? |
| 13:54.16 | bob2 | beta3: -boot? |
| 13:54.17 | Nyle | ahh |
| 13:54.19 | beta3 | bob2: yes, yes |
| 13:54.20 | twistednerve | bob2: thank you very much |
| 13:54.23 | Nyle | i understand a little now |
| 13:54.29 | beta3 | bob2: I think i have to run to DMV to get an id today |
| 13:54.32 | Nyle | so the biuld essential package is installed |
| 13:54.40 | Nyle | I can go ahead with my compiling? |
| 13:55.03 | bob2 | beta3: congrats, good work. |
| 13:55.05 | bob2 | Nyle: yes |
| 13:55.07 | ecstatix | Hmm, how do i tell apt-get to install all of webmin-* except webmin-sendmail? |
| 13:55.09 | Nyle | thanks man |
| 13:55.14 | colde | streuner :: yes |
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| 13:55.22 | queuetue | bob2: I hope it's ram - th eonly thing I can change tight now. :) |
| 13:55.23 | bob2 | Nyle: read the package description of buid-essential to understand what it's for. |
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| 13:55.40 | Nyle | let me install synaptic |
| 13:55.48 | Nyle | thats the only one im familiar with |
| 13:55.49 | queuetue | It was. Phew. :) |
| 13:55.49 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:55.56 | ecstatix | aptitude is nice too |
| 13:55.56 | bob2 | queuetue: ah, excellent. |
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| 13:56.03 | beta3 | bob2: https://alioth.debian.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=1382 |
| 13:56.38 | elephantman | What is the best command line ftp tool ? I use 'lftp' but i'd like to know if there is a better one, i mean with commands closer from debian system commands |
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| 13:56.59 | bob2 | elephantman: lftp is the best I've seen. |
| 13:56.59 | ecstatix | elephantman ncftp |
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| 13:57.04 | Nurbs | ftpfs... |
| 13:57.06 | azreal | elephantman: ncftp |
| 13:57.11 | bob2 | elephantman: the commands are from the FTP standard, which is not quite the same as unix. |
| 13:57.17 | beta3 | zftp is the best bob2 |
| 13:57.23 | Nyle | btw |
| 13:57.24 | colde | streuner :: are the modules included in driver-packages ?? |
| 13:57.33 | ecstatix | Nurbs ftpfs? |
| 13:57.34 | Nyle | im using damnsmalllinux |
| 13:57.36 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 13:57.36 | elephantman | ecstatix: ok i will try this one |
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| 13:57.47 | zakame | elephantman : sftp |
| 13:57.55 | beta3 | bob2: the one that comes with zsh |
| 13:57.57 | nevyn | ecstatix: apt-get install $(apt-cache search webmin-*|awk '{ print $1}'|grep -v webmin-sendmail) |
| 13:58.00 | elephantman | bob2: ok thanx - i meant commands like 'cp' or 'ln' etc... |
| 13:58.14 | nevyn | you might have to do something in there to strip newlines |
| 13:58.15 | bob2 | ln can't work. |
| 13:58.16 | elephantman | azreal: ok thanx |
| 13:58.23 | Nurbs | ecstatix: yeah, I think based on some user-space filesystem patch for the kernel. will allow you to mount ftp directories somewhere |
| 13:58.28 | Nyle | is there a MS explorer like file manager package? |
| 13:58.30 | elephantman | zakame: thanx - i'll check this one too |
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| 13:58.51 | Nurbs | ecstatix: which does of course enable you to use all commands one does use on the shell :p |
| 13:59.03 | ecstatix | nevyn thanks. can you point me to a good sed/awk guide, for dummies, and some power bash scripting? |
| 13:59.03 | streuner | colde: you want install debian on your laptop, right, what media do you use? |
| 13:59.05 | zakame | Nyle : explorer.exe |
| 13:59.07 | bob2 | Nyle: konqueror |
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| 13:59.14 | streuner | colde: floppy, CD? |
| 13:59.19 | ecstatix | Nyle emelfm, gentoo |
| 13:59.34 | Nurbs | Nyle: nautilus, endeavour |
| 13:59.41 | azreal | ecstatix: unix power tools is a gret book, expensive though |
| 13:59.44 | Nurbs | Nyle: xffm |
| 13:59.45 | beta3 | bob2: getting really irritated with this stupid Nyle |
| 13:59.45 | Nyle | the thing is, I have X, fluxbox, and base system. I don't have kde/gnome base or anything installed, niether do I want it installed. |
| 13:59.50 | colde | streuner :: still floppy |
| 13:59.55 | Nyle | i'll try gentoo |
| 13:59.56 | Nyle | thanks |
| 14:00.02 | nevyn | ecstatix: ummm there's the oreilly one? |
| 14:00.06 | Nyle | hey |
| 14:00.11 | Nyle | another problem with configure |
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| 14:00.19 | beta3 | !dpkg say Nyle, the best file manager we have is ls, cp and mv. If your too incompetent to learn those, you should not be here.\ |
| 14:00.20 | dpkg | Nyle, the best file manager we have is ls, cp and mv. If your too incompetent to learn those, you should not be here.\ |
| 14:00.42 | zakame | beta3 : hehe...\ |
| 14:00.42 | nevyn | someone give me a fast way to kill newlines in a stream? |
| 14:00.46 | Nyle | you don't have a gtk installation which permits devel !! please get a gtk package with gtk-config or pkg-config conf |
| 14:00.47 | murdoch | lol they say there will be spinderman on tv at Xmas eve ... (alittle l8t for that now) lol |
| 14:00.49 | Nyle | help |
| 14:00.54 | bob2 | nevyn: tr '\n' ' ' |
| 14:00.55 | ecstatix | azreal the one by jerry peek/tim o reilly? that was one fo teh books i saw at the store, it seemed too fat for a newbie like me, but that was 2 weeks back. now i am 2 weeks old with linux, maybe should try that |
| 14:00.58 | oven | streuner - I'd use the debian/stable cd and then switch to unstable by editing /etc/apt/sources.list after the system is installed |
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| 14:01.05 | zinx | Nyle: what the hell help could you need with a message like that? |
| 14:01.06 | bob2 | Nyle: you need to ask answerable questions. |
| 14:01.07 | ecstatix | nevyn there is a sed/awk book from orelly? |
| 14:01.11 | oven | streuner - then you must apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a few times |
| 14:01.12 | azreal | Nyle: just develop your own model of how things work from experience, dont get discouraged because of someone elses variances of opinion |
| 14:01.16 | beta3 | !say Nyle, we have a tool called apt-cache search. USE IT DUMBASS! |
| 14:01.17 | dpkg | Nyle, we have a tool called apt-cache search. USE IT DUMBASS! |
| 14:01.19 | zinx | Nyle: it's pretty f'n clear. |
| 14:01.19 | bob2 | Nyle: how could anyone possibly help you solve the configure error withotu seeing it? |
| 14:01.31 | zakame | Nyle : rtfm, rtfm, rtfm. |
| 14:01.45 | streuner | oven: wrong nick... |
| 14:02.04 | oven | streuner - sorry :) |
| 14:02.04 | Nyle | yeh... |
| 14:02.11 | oven | I wasn't paying attention |
| 14:02.20 | bob2 | Nyle: so paste the error to #flood |
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| 14:02.37 | Nyle | you don't have a gtk installation which permits devel !! please get a gtk package with gtk-config or pkg-config conf |
| 14:02.42 | Nyle | u missed that one bob |
| 14:02.46 | azreal | ecstatix: yes, that one, i call it my bible, you can open it up and read it at any place, and learn something new |
| 14:02.46 | Nyle | thats the error |
| 14:02.52 | beta3 | !find gtk devel |
| 14:02.59 | azreal | ecstatix: ive read it cover to cover though |
| 14:03.01 | bob2 | Nyle: so install the GTK headers |
| 14:03.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gtk devel' returned no results. |
| 14:03.09 | beta3 | !find libgtk |
| 14:03.10 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libgtk' (15 shown; 77 total): libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev ;; libgtk-canvas1 ;; libgtk-canvas1-dev ;; libgtk-imlib-perl ;; libgtk-perl ;; libgtk-pixbuf-perl ;; libgtk-ruby1.6 ;; libgtk0-java ;; libgtk0-jni ;; libgtk1.2 ;; libgtk1.2-common ;; libgtk1.2-dbg ;; libgtk1.2-dev ;; libgtk1.2-doc ;; libgtk2.0-0. |
| 14:03.13 | bob2 | Nyle: which version does it want? |
| 14:03.15 | Nyle | waitin on synaptic to get done |
| 14:03.18 | zakame | libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 14:03.21 | ecstatix | azreal ok. my brother asked me to buy it. he's a old time *nixer. though i have'nt done it |
| 14:03.21 | azreal | ecstatix: i have an older version though |
| 14:03.22 | Nyle | it doesn't say |
| 14:03.25 | zakame | or libgtk2.0-dev |
| 14:03.28 | bob2 | Nyle: it has to say |
| 14:03.29 | Nyle | says checking for gtk12 |
| 14:03.35 | bob2 | then libgtk1.2-dev |
| 14:03.38 | Nyle | so i get 1.2 |
| 14:03.42 | nevyn | ecstatix: there's several books that are good.. sed and awk springs to mind. I know people who find mastering regex's very useful |
| 14:03.42 | azreal | ecstatix: it comes with a cd with lots of scripts on it, they really like bash |
| 14:03.44 | queuetue | bob2: is ncurses surprisingly large? It was ripping along, but now it's been sitting at ncurses for a few minutes. |
| 14:04.04 | bob2 | queuetue: libncurses5? |
| 14:04.19 | ecstatix | nevyn a good reading list for a *nix user? |
| 14:04.22 | azreal | ecstatix: its like $70 bux though, but i consider it to be worth the $$ |
| 14:04.32 | queuetue | bob2: Well, the ncurses-bin package. |
| 14:04.40 | bob2 | !+info ncurses-bin |
| 14:04.45 | nevyn | hrm |
| 14:04.46 | dpkg | ncurses-bin: (Terminal-related programs and man pages), section base, is required. Version: 5.3.20030719-4 (sid), Packaged size: 199 kB, Installed size: 456 kB |
| 14:04.47 | queuetue | Yeah, it died again. Darn. |
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| 14:04.57 | bob2 | not too big. |
| 14:05.01 | ecstatix | azreal its cheap where i stay. locally printed in my country |
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| 14:05.11 | Nyle | hey |
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| 14:05.13 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 14:05.14 | azreal | ecstatix: hmm, nice |
| 14:05.16 | Nyle | i got the package all by my self |
| 14:05.17 | ecstatix | azreal would work out to $10 |
| 14:05.17 | queuetue | Nothing in dmesg. |
| 14:05.18 | Nyle | yay! |
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| 14:05.24 | nevyn | I quite like "the unix programming environment." by kernighan and pike. it's old. but everything in it will work in bash.. and it's small |
| 14:05.28 | azreal | ecstatix: holy crap |
| 14:05.32 | motu | nevyn: for mounting om nfs/samba/coda, does the server have to use those protocols as well or does a sshd server suffice |
| 14:05.44 | azreal | ecstatix: i wish i could buy books for that cheap |
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| 14:05.55 | zeeble | ecstatix you from india or what? |
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| 14:06.04 | ecstatix | zeeble yes |
| 14:06.06 | Nyle | btw, i got linux 3 days ago, and i havn't slept since.. i even installed stage 3 gentoo twice, been reading so much on it im fried |
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| 14:06.29 | nevyn | motu: the server also needs to be using those protocols |
| 14:06.33 | amundsen | anyone with antialiased fonts here ? i tried to turn them on with no succes |
| 14:06.36 | zeeble | ecstatix figgurs. you can go ahead and buy a lot of stuff. most ORA books are nice. |
| 14:06.42 | overflow | Hi, How can I change the default temporal apt-get dir (/var/cache/apt/) ??? |
| 14:06.48 | amundsen | i don't know where am i going wrong |
| 14:06.54 | nevyn | motu: there's a way to do a remote filesystem mount over sshd.. using... userspace filesystems |
| 14:06.55 | murdoch | Nyle, Keep on the fighting.. ;) tierd?? :D |
| 14:06.56 | bob2 | amundsen: in what programs? |
| 14:06.59 | Lafourmi | I'm fed up : I download the debian cd 2 time since this morning, and each time , at the 99 % when the indicator shows 1 second left , it fails ; it doesn't stop , it doesn't fails , but I have not my image :( |
| 14:07.00 | bob2 | amundsen: what version of Debian? |
| 14:07.09 | Nyle | not in the least bit |
| 14:07.11 | bob2 | Nyle: lufs |
| 14:07.12 | zeeble | amundsen edited your X config file? to put the ttf font paths at the top? |
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| 14:07.17 | zakame | Lafourmi : poor thing |
| 14:07.20 | beta3 | amundsen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:07.20 | amundsen | bob2, woody with xfree 4.2.1 and kde 3.1.4 |
| 14:07.22 | Nyle | soon as bob helped me, im energetic again |
| 14:07.27 | bob2 | zeeble: that won't help get AA'd fonts. |
| 14:07.35 | Nyle | i'll probably be up until sunday night |
| 14:07.36 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:07.42 | interoz | Lafourmi: try wget instad of konqueror |
| 14:07.43 | zeeble | bob2 true |
| 14:07.44 | motu | nevyn: u got any urls i can read or keywords i should search for? just "userspace filesystems"? |
| 14:07.51 | bob2 | amundsen: does that support AA'd fonts? |
| 14:07.54 | Lafourmi | interoz, I'm on windows ... |
| 14:07.57 | bob2 | amundsen: is it using fontconfig? |
| 14:08.03 | beta3 | bob2: umm, how do you change the logon banners and messages |
| 14:08.12 | amundsen | bob2, fontconfig is installed |
| 14:08.17 | interoz | Lafourmi: www.downloadaccelerator.com would do |
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| 14:08.20 | bob2 | beta3: on a tty? |
| 14:08.26 | bob2 | amundsen: does "fc-list" list any fonts? |
| 14:08.34 | Lafourmi | interoz, ok, will try , that's strange anyway |
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| 14:08.38 | overflow | Hi, How can I change the default temporal apt-get dir (/var/cache/apt/) ??? |
| 14:08.47 | bob2 | overflow: man apt.conf |
| 14:08.47 | interoz | hey beta3! |
| 14:08.55 | bob2 | overflow: if it's possible. |
| 14:08.58 | beta3 | bob2: yeah |
| 14:09.00 | beta3 | sup interoz |
| 14:09.12 | interoz | beta3: nothing. merry christmas and happy new year |
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| 14:09.13 | amundsen | bob2, i don't have fc-list command |
| 14:09.21 | Nyle | let me see if I have got this right so far, people new to linux are idiots? |
| 14:09.25 | beta3 | interoz: thanks, but Im Jewish/Atheist :) |
| 14:09.31 | Nyle | or dumbasses, as one would put it |
| 14:09.31 | bob2 | beta3: /etc/issue |
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| 14:09.46 | bob2 | beta3: or /etc/motd, it depends on the setup. |
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| 14:09.50 | bob2 | Nyle: no |
| 14:09.50 | interoz | beta3: anyway ;) |
| 14:10.04 | bob2 | Nyle: nto at all. |
| 14:10.11 | zeeble | Nyle not quite.; there are lots of new users here, and all of us started out. there is a difference, some chose to read documentation and try out a lot oof things on their own |
| 14:10.15 | beta3 | bob2: how do I make /etc/issue show up in colors |
| 14:10.17 | bob2 | Nyle: but there is a particular way to ask for and receive help that works better for everyone. |
| 14:10.23 | nevyn | motu: you don't control the remote machine? |
| 14:10.24 | bob2 | beta3: include escape sequences. |
| 14:10.34 | chemicallyrelian | i got a stock deb 3.0, updated kernel to 2.4.18-5 and the eth0 isn't loading automagically and i have to do a modprobe 8139too then dhclient eth0 to get it up. |
| 14:10.43 | bob2 | Nyle: for example, I told you hwo to fix your configure problem within about 10 seconds, literally. |
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| 14:10.47 | queuetue | bob2: 7th time's a charm - all downloaded perfectly. Wierd. |
| 14:10.51 | Nyle | that was addressed to the people who called me such names. I wasn't being rude or anything, just frustrated at not getting one answer. So many peole told me to do so many things in under one minute, I got befuddled |
| 14:10.56 | bob2 | Nyle: and we then had a ten minute "discussion". |
| 14:11.07 | bob2 | Nyle: dude, you got your answer within seconds. |
| 14:11.08 | motu | nevyn: no, its my schools unix system |
| 14:11.13 | beta3 | chemicallyrelian: echo 8139too >> /etc/modules |
| 14:11.17 | zakame | gcompris crashes, seems #224887 is the culprit... |
| 14:11.17 | Nyle | and I'm still befuddled |
| 14:11.19 | beta3 | chemicallyrelian: then it will load on boot |
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| 14:11.22 | bob2 | queuetue: heh, might want to let memtest86 hammer it for a while if you can spare it. |
| 14:11.32 | beta3 | !tell chemicallyrelian about man interfaces |
| 14:11.44 | bob2 | beta3: escape sequences are where I get off, though.. |
| 14:12.00 | zeeble | Nyle heh, its like that. see how may people are here, 610. if all of them answered you, it would drive you nuts. that's why it is a good idea to read a lot, there is a steep learning curve initially, but once you get the hang of it, you will be able to get the hints on irc channels a lot faster |
| 14:12.07 | queuetue | bob2: I will - it's an mp3 system for the car, so I can't use it until the case is finished, anyway. |
| 14:12.21 | bob2 | queuetue: ah, neat. how will you control it? |
| 14:12.34 | nevyn | motu: if you run kde you can access it using a kio slave... |
| 14:12.41 | Nyle | dude, I HAVE been reading. I'm 3 days old with any kind of linux, and have already gone though gentoo stage 3 twice. I've got half an LFS on its way, and fuckit.. nevermind |
| 14:12.57 | nevyn | fish://schoolunixhost/ login and it'll let you copy files and stuff |
| 14:12.58 | queuetue | bob2: IR remote control, and an lcd on the dash. |
| 14:13.11 | motu | nevyn: i use kde, how do i do that? |
| 14:13.12 | motu | heh |
| 14:13.14 | nevyn | Nyle: the reading never stops. |
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| 14:13.24 | Nyle | never |
| 14:13.28 | zeeble | true. |
| 14:13.29 | zakame | Nyle :the fun never ends. |
| 14:13.32 | nevyn | motu: you may need to install kio-fish or something |
| 14:13.33 | Nyle | nope |
| 14:13.35 | Nyle | sure doesn't |
| 14:13.40 | debian | Nyle: man, you really need some sleep |
| 14:13.49 | Nyle | this is the most fun I've had with computers ever since i got on em |
| 14:13.53 | nevyn | heh |
| 14:13.54 | motu | nevyn: k... i hace it installed |
| 14:13.58 | Nyle | the mroe I use linux, the more I hate windows |
| 14:14.00 | simonrvn | weeehaaa |
| 14:14.11 | murdoch | =) |
| 14:14.16 | Nyle | sleep.. |
| 14:14.18 | Nyle | no can do |
| 14:14.18 | zakame | yo go! |
| 14:14.20 | nevyn | motu: you can get a kernel patch and stuff to do userspace filesystems that other apps can use... |
| 14:14.23 | Nyle | im up on half a gram of meth man |
| 14:14.26 | Nyle | can't sleep |
| 14:14.29 | bob2 | queuetue: oh, bery cool. |
| 14:14.32 | ecstatix | Nyle meth? |
| 14:14.38 | Nyle | nevermind |
| 14:14.52 | debian | Nyle: misspelling is first sign of mental disorientation |
| 14:15.03 | motu | nevyn: url? |
| 14:15.08 | Nyle | definitely |
| 14:15.15 | nevyn | umm |
| 14:15.16 | bob2 | half a gram, you could be a kernel hacker by the time you come back down ;-) |
| 14:15.24 | debian | Nyle: and now you imagine 610 people here hating you because you're a newbie |
| 14:15.42 | Nyle | i don't care if you or all hate me or not |
| 14:15.48 | pmfp | Using a ASUS P4P800 (ICH5 chipset), what happens if you have one SATA 80 GB drive, and an other 120 GB, can you use the 80 GB in RAID 0 and the rest in linear mode? |
| 14:15.54 | Nyle | im here to get help so long as im and others are civil, its all g ood |
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| 14:15.57 | bob2 | nodboy hates you. |
| 14:15.59 | debian | Nyle: you show your care enough for me to notice |
| 14:16.02 | Nyle | there is no need for hostility |
| 14:16.08 | bob2 | debian: chill, man. |
| 14:16.17 | zinx | *yawn* |
| 14:16.20 | bob2 | pmfp: with software raid? |
| 14:16.21 | debian | bob2: I thought I'm chilling hi |
| 14:16.32 | beta3 | debian: dude, I hate this Nyle guy |
| 14:16.40 | pmfp | bob2: nope, hardware |
| 14:16.45 | mtnman | bob2: how can you be so sure that nobody hates him? :) |
| 14:16.47 | bob2 | pmfp: yes, you could create a 80GB partition on it to mirror the 80gb disk |
| 14:16.55 | beta3 | !say Nyle, you always want something to be handed to you on a plate. |
| 14:16.56 | dpkg | Nyle, you always want something to be handed to you on a plate. |
| 14:17.00 | bob2 | pmfp: does it have actual raid, or that stupid intel/promise software crap? |
| 14:17.02 | debian | beta3: oh great. I'm trying to calm someone down, just to provoke another. :) |
| 14:17.04 | bob2 | beta3: dude. |
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| 14:17.09 | ecstatix | hehe |
| 14:17.13 | bob2 | beta3: come on man, go hack on d-i or something. |
| 14:17.14 | nevyn | motu: http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ that looks interesting... but there's a more general solution I've seen... |
| 14:17.20 | bob2 | trolling newbies is below you. |
| 14:17.36 | pmfp | bob2: the intel chipset doesn't use Promise software raid... |
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| 14:17.46 | ecstatix | who wrote the d-i installer here, beta3 ? |
| 14:17.52 | bob2 | pmfp: does it use intel software raid? |
| 14:17.55 | beta3 | ecstatix: Im on its devel team |
| 14:17.56 | Nyle | -8:16a- dpkg: Nyle, you always want something to be handed to you on a plate. <-- and you've known me how long exactly? shhh... |
| 14:18.10 | pmfp | bob2: no |
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| 14:18.29 | ecstatix | beta3 well, it did'nt work out for me. broke while asking me to select the keyboard :( that was like 2 weeks back |
| 14:18.32 | beta3 | bob2: this is funny watching him complain to dpkg |
| 14:18.42 | bob2 | ecstatix: file a bug |
| 14:18.43 | beta3 | ecstatix: the new one? |
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| 14:18.55 | debian | Nyle: he said that? oh God, he's such an arrogant bastard. :) |
| 14:19.07 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 14:19.10 | Nyle | who cares |
| 14:19.15 | beta3 | debian: he has me on ignore |
| 14:19.19 | motu | nevyn: ok thanx! gimme a hudge if u find that more general solution 2, k? =) ill try this |
| 14:19.21 | ecstatix | beta3 well, 2 weeks back. December 1st week. Idunno which version it was, i got the latest ISO with the installer. |
| 14:19.29 | shinu | any good popup blocker to work with SQUID |
| 14:19.32 | Nyle | do you have nothing better to do than pick fights online, for fucks sake, shut up and chill |
| 14:19.35 | beta3 | ecstatix: its different everyday |
| 14:19.42 | debian | beta3: you miss the fun of IRC |
| 14:19.43 | Nyle | just chill... |
| 14:19.48 | ecstatix | shinu squidguard |
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| 14:19.53 | ecstatix | shinu squidguard.org |
| 14:19.58 | beta3 | debian: we have dpkg say for a reason |
| 14:20.23 | murdoch | Is there a new installer for Debian.. heard something about that? |
| 14:20.28 | debian | ~hug beta3 |
| 14:20.31 | | ACTION hugs beta3 |
| 14:20.32 | beta3 | !say Nyle, your a big boy now. Start acting like one. |
| 14:20.33 | dpkg | Nyle, your a big boy now. Start acting like one. |
| 14:20.35 | ecstatix | beta3 well, then i was too green to know old from new, or what/where to look at for problems. i am sure i have'nt learnt a lot, but |
| 14:20.48 | shinu | right now iam using adzapper but it is failing to BLOCK certain explicit entertaintment |
| 14:20.49 | debian | ~rolf |
| 14:20.50 | debian | ~rofl |
| 14:20.54 | zinx | what ever would i do without #debian |
| 14:20.59 | Nyle | ok configure went fine, errors on make. fluxconf.c warning: implicit declration of fuction |
| 14:21.04 | Nyle | is that errors in the coding |
| 14:21.09 | Nyle | or am i still missing something |
| 14:21.11 | zinx | that isn't an error |
| 14:21.15 | zinx | it specificly says "warning:" |
| 14:21.24 | ecstatix | shinu squidguard.org add whatver you want |
| 14:21.26 | sugapablo | question: how do I determine the io=0xNNN and irq # for my NIC card? |
| 14:21.37 | zinx | why are you trying to compile fluxbox, by the way... it is fluxbox, isn't it? |
| 14:21.37 | Nyle | it also says make[1]: leaving directory /home/root/fluxconf |
| 14:21.38 | beta3 | ~say Are we supposed to say "Don't worry, I'll make it better."? |
| 14:21.40 | | okay, beta3 |
| 14:21.42 | Nyle | no |
| 14:21.45 | ecstatix | Nyle why are you compiling fluxconf is'nt it downloadable as a .deb? |
| 14:21.48 | ecstatix | apt-get it |
| 14:21.49 | Nyle | im trying to compile fluxbox config util |
| 14:21.51 | zinx | oh |
| 14:21.51 | beta3 | !say Are we supposed to say "Don't worry, I'll make it better."? |
| 14:21.51 | bob2 | beta3: estop it. |
| 14:21.52 | dpkg | Are we supposed to say "Don't worry, I'll make it better." |
| 14:21.56 | beta3 | bob2: ok fine |
| 14:21.58 | nevyn | motu: here it is... http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/intro.html |
| 14:22.02 | zinx | !dpkg find fluxcon |
| 14:22.04 | debian | apt dpkg |
| 14:22.05 | | bugger all, i dunno, debian |
| 14:22.06 | dpkg | fluxconf: (FluxBox configuration utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 14:22.07 | zinx | whoops |
| 14:22.10 | bob2 | Nyle: do you know what make errors look like? |
| 14:22.14 | zinx | jawohl |
| 14:22.14 | bob2 | Nyle: they don't look like that. |
| 14:22.28 | shinu | ecstatix , thanx pal c u later |
| 14:22.31 | zinx | it's looking like it's not it stable though |
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| 14:22.54 | Nyle | i have never maked anything before |
| 14:22.59 | Nyle | i don't know |
| 14:22.59 | zinx | now uh, fluxconf is for gtk 2.0 anyway.. |
| 14:23.10 | zinx | is gtk 2.0 in stable? |
| 14:23.10 | ecstatix | does anyone here run xfce4? what are the packages/addons i need to get? |
| 14:23.11 | Nyle | well it said i need 1.2 |
| 14:23.15 | bob2 | zinx: nope |
| 14:23.18 | Nyle | so i got that one |
| 14:23.26 | bob2 | ecstatix: apt-cache search xfce4 |
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| 14:23.52 | Nyle | ls |
| 14:23.57 | zinx | Nyle: well, in any case, nothing you've pasted suggests an error during the build |
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| 14:24.05 | ecstatix | bob2 ok |
| 14:24.10 | beta3 | ecstatix: http://people.debian.org/~manty/testing/netinst/i386/daily/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:24.11 | Nyle | ok |
| 14:24.20 | beta3 | ecstatix: that one is built daily |
| 14:24.31 | zinx | Nyle: if it brought you back to the prompt without anything saying 'error:' or 'Error', then it probably built properly |
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| 14:24.43 | Nyle | ok |
| 14:24.54 | zinx | (and you should read 'INSTALL' for further information) |
| 14:25.09 | bob2 | and README |
| 14:25.25 | zinx | ja |
| 14:25.26 | Nyle | already been read |
| 14:25.35 | colde | how to get modules for installatin debian with floppy`s ?? |
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| 14:25.43 | ecstatix | beta3 well, i got a nice setup and i dont want to reinstall again and hopefully, this wont break for a long time. but there is my desktop machine, when/if i install linux, i will try that out |
| 14:25.44 | bob2 | colde: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 14:26.04 | ecstatix | i fear the debian install though |
| 14:26.08 | Boboo | hello everyone :) |
| 14:26.27 | NakedApe | I'm looking for a Heimdal guru to help with ksu |
| 14:26.32 | wifi-tam | anyone know of syncing software to sync with an ipaq running ppc 2002? |
| 14:26.52 | Boboo | okay,a stupid question,how can i mount my flash disk on debian linux? |
| 14:27.02 | bob2 | NakedApe: this really isn't the palce to ask. |
| 14:27.04 | ecstatix | usb? |
| 14:27.10 | Boboo | yeah |
| 14:27.29 | bob2 | NakedApe: find a kerberos mailing list. |
| 14:27.34 | NakedApe | So where would I ask? Can't find any kerberos related IRC and the mailing list seems dead... |
| 14:27.40 | ecstatix | Boboo if your kernel supports USB, you can mount it somewhere |
| 14:27.41 | Boboo | i trained mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb but it didn't work :( |
| 14:27.56 | ecstatix | Boboo error? |
| 14:28.01 | NakedApe | Also it is liekly an issue with Debians Heimdal |
| 14:28.04 | beta3 | bob2: It appears as tho d-i is going to be delayed yet again, because Im going to implement lvm2 |
| 14:28.23 | tpk_ | beta3: well that's good news |
| 14:28.29 | beta3 | tpk_: it is |
| 14:28.34 | bob2 | NakedApe: then find a kerberos list to help you, then if they claim it should work, file a bug. |
| 14:28.36 | tpk_ | nobody else's installer does lvm |
| 14:28.37 | ecstatix | beta3 current debian installs dont support lvm, right? |
| 14:28.43 | tpk_ | it's about time! |
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| 14:28.45 | bob2 | beta3: doesn't it curreclty support lvm? |
| 14:28.46 | wifi-tam | how many people are working on the debian installer? |
| 14:28.51 | beta3 | tpk_: it supports lvm1 currently, and it will soon support both |
| 14:28.58 | Boboo | it said it isn't a valid block device. |
| 14:29.03 | beta3 | bob2: only the near deprecated version |
| 14:29.04 | NakedApe | Don't you think I've tried... I'm getting seriously frustrated... |
| 14:29.05 | simonrvn | NakedApe: try with mit's.. and maybe #kerberos too. if not, #ldap |
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| 14:29.14 | tpk_ | beta3: last installer i messed with was woody's |
| 14:29.17 | ecstatix | Boboo does /mnt/usb exist? |
| 14:29.19 | bob2 | beta3: ah |
| 14:29.23 | beta3 | tpk_: depends if I want to put in evms too |
| 14:29.27 | Boboo | sure. |
| 14:29.27 | Nyle | alright |
| 14:29.30 | bob2 | Boboo: which device does "dmesg" say it is? |
| 14:29.32 | Nyle | I got it compiled and working |
| 14:29.35 | Nyle | you guys are great |
| 14:29.37 | asg | beta3: I'm awake now :) Happy belated holiday |
| 14:29.40 | ecstatix | Nyle good luck. |
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| 14:29.46 | Nyle | thanks bro |
| 14:29.47 | amundsen | hi |
| 14:29.49 | beta3 | asg: happy hannukah :) |
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| 14:30.03 | asg | beta3: :) |
| 14:30.08 | Nyle | im gonna go compile a few more packages, get some practice in.. be back sometime |
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| 14:30.28 | bob2 | good luck. |
| 14:30.49 | beta3 | bob2: whats that usb keyboard module |
| 14:30.52 | DocOliver | have a small problem, accidentaly selected a package for deletion, but I want to undo that. How can I do this? |
| 14:31.05 | bob2 | beta3: hid |
| 14:31.13 | bob2 | DocOliver: in dselect? |
| 14:31.45 | DocOliver | Boboo: will that just revert the unistall flag? |
| 14:31.50 | DocOliver | bob2 even |
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| 14:32.12 | veleno | i'm trying to disable apic : i put these in lilo.conf :append="acpi=off noapic"but in dmes i still see: APIC controller detected and enabled... |
| 14:32.14 | bob2 | what? |
| 14:32.21 | Gujin | hello, anyone know of a good GUI utility for configuring a printer (CUPS or LPD) ? |
| 14:32.27 | bob2 | veleno: does it work on the linux command line? |
| 14:32.32 | bob2 | sugapablo: turn that crap off. |
| 14:32.39 | bob2 | Gujin: http://localhsot:631/ with cups |
| 14:32.40 | jadawin_ | Gujin: printtool |
| 14:32.41 | asg | Gujin: lynx http://localhost:631 (cups) |
| 14:32.42 | bob2 | DocOliver: what? |
| 14:32.50 | debian | ~tell sugapablo about away |
| 14:32.52 | Gujin | anything graphical? |
| 14:32.57 | beta3 | asg: I got accepted into d-i crea |
| 14:33.00 | debian | .... |
| 14:33.02 | beta3 | asg: devel team |
| 14:33.02 | jadawin_ | Gujin: iy is grphical |
| 14:33.02 | DocOliver | bob2: if I do it in dselect, will it just revert the flag... |
| 14:33.04 | debian | who run apt? |
| 14:33.04 | asg | beta3: congratz! |
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| 14:33.12 | asg | debian: /msg <bot> who owns you |
| 14:33.17 | beta3 | asg: https://alioth.debian.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=1382 |
| 14:33.21 | DocOliver | bob2: the package is still there, it's just marked for deletion |
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| 14:33.41 | bob2 | DocOliver: gah, did you use dselect to schedule it for removal or not? |
| 14:33.48 | debian | asg: nice trick |
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| 14:34.05 | veleno | bob2: how can i try via the linux command line? |
| 14:34.21 | bob2 | veleno: when it's booting and says "lilo:" type "Linux noapic" |
| 14:34.25 | asg | beta3: nice, you're in esteemed company |
| 14:34.26 | bob2 | no quots, of course. |
| 14:34.50 | ecstatix | how do you start xfce4? i added exec xfce4 in my .xinitrc, but it does'nt start |
| 14:35.03 | ecstatix | xfce4: not found |
| 14:35.04 | colde | bob2 : have found just articles for booting from floppy not for installing from floppy ... |
| 14:35.12 | beta3 | asg: I have to merge lvm2 into the installer |
| 14:35.20 | asg | ecstatix: did you type 'xfce4_setup' to gen a new .xsession file for you? |
| 14:35.20 | DocOliver | bob2: I used debfoster, and accidentaly marked it |
| 14:35.33 | asg | beta3: cool. That'll be a great addition. |
| 14:35.37 | veleno | bob2: i can try now, but i need to have that in lilo....isn't that the right way to do that? |
| 14:35.40 | ecstatix | asg no. i just apt-get install xfce4 |
| 14:35.46 | beta3 | asg: so we will now have lvm 1 and 2 |
| 14:36.04 | asg | ecstatix: type 'xfce4_setup' and the resultant .xsession will take care of things. |
| 14:36.10 | asg | beta3: nice |
| 14:36.18 | bob2 | veleno: putting it in the lilo config file means it will be added for every boot. comment out that line, rerun lilo and try passing it at the command line. |
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| 14:37.21 | Knight_Lord | Can i use the "ati" driver with an ATI Radeon 9600XT? |
| 14:37.31 | sugapablo | bob2: what crap? |
| 14:37.34 | sugapablo | no away messages? |
| 14:37.36 | ecstatix | asg thanks, it worked. but i use my .xinitrc for other WMs. How do i add it so that .xinitrc can run xfce |
| 14:37.42 | bob2 | sugapablo: yes |
| 14:37.43 | asg | sugapablo: 09:38 * sugapablo is away: I'm busy |
| 14:37.44 | Knight_Lord | If not where can i download some drivers that work? |
| 14:37.52 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: what does the XFree86 page say? |
| 14:38.00 | asg | ecstatix: just add what's in .xsession to .xinitrc |
| 14:38.00 | sugapablo | sorry, my bad. never had anyone complain about that in other channels |
| 14:38.07 | ecstatix | asg oh, ok |
| 14:38.13 | Boboo | well,okay,i tried "dmesg" |
| 14:38.16 | Knight_Lord | bob2 i have no idea browser still not workign with no X |
| 14:38.19 | asg | ecstatix: they are the same file basically, though .xsession is there to support *dm's while .xinitrc doesn't |
| 14:38.19 | nevyn | hrm |
| 14:38.28 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: so use lynx then. |
| 14:38.29 | Boboo | mess info |
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| 14:38.42 | bob2 | Boboo: does it mention your drive at all? |
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| 14:38.44 | asg | sugapablo: np, there are a lot of people in here and if everyone had one, we would never get any conversation in :) |
| 14:38.55 | sugapablo | asg: makes sense |
| 14:38.57 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
| 14:39.00 | DocOliver | bob2: tried dselect, but it adds a ton of packages I never selected |
| 14:39.03 | Boboo | bob2:yeah. |
| 14:39.08 | ecstatix | asg so i can cat everything from my .xinitrc to the new xsession, right? |
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| 14:39.31 | DocOliver | bob2: feels like it's suggesting I need ftp, and wants to install it to |
| 14:39.35 | colde | is it possible to copy multiple directories and files vie dd ?? |
| 14:39.36 | veleno | in dmesg i see a lot of "sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive." any hints?.... |
| 14:39.37 | bob2 | Boboo: paste what it says about it to #flood |
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| 14:39.49 | bob2 | colde: dd doesn't copy files or directories. |
| 14:39.50 | c-101 | Good Afternoon |
| 14:40.03 | Boboo | bob2: k |
| 14:40.07 | asg | ecstatix: yeah, the commands in .xsession will work the same in .xinitrc |
| 14:40.09 | bob2 | DocOliver: don't use dselect. I was only asking if that's how you marked packages for deletion earlier. |
| 14:40.17 | twistednerve | bob2: have scsi emulation disabled, and ide-scsi not loading, dma still somehow manages to turn itself off when I try to watch a dvd. |
| 14:40.19 | colde | bob 2 : need still module s for installation .. |
| 14:40.24 | rss | hi all, i'm look for a books and cdroms collection organiser preferrably for console/gtk/gnome can you recommend me one ? |
| 14:40.47 | DocOliver | bob2: on a side question then, why does dselect behave like this ? |
| 14:40.48 | ecstatix | asg thanks a lot. xfce4 looks really great |
| 14:40.55 | Nyle | while trying to make another program, i got make[3]: ** [fbdesk] Eror1 Leaving dir /home/root/fbdesk... then all-recursive error1 and then ***all Eror2 |
| 14:41.04 | Nyle | so i finally got an error during make |
| 14:41.12 | bob2 | DocOliver: dselect is marking all Suggested packages for instakllation. apt-get only cares about Depends. |
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| 14:41.22 | bob2 | colde: did you try the german channel? |
| 14:41.27 | bob2 | rss: bookshelf or something. |
| 14:41.35 | bob2 | Nyle: so paste it to #flood |
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| 14:41.43 | bob2 | twistednerve: nto sure...anything on google? |
| 14:41.59 | colde | bob 2 : no .. |
| 14:42.04 | DocOliver | bob2: any idea on how to stop that ? |
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| 14:42.10 | bob2 | DocOliver: you can't. |
| 14:42.17 | bob2 | DocOliver: or: "don't use dselect". |
| 14:42.31 | twistednerve | bob2: tons of stuff, nothing seems to apply. |
| 14:42.32 | rss | bob2 is `bookshelf' a package name ? |
| 14:42.35 | twistednerve | :( |
| 14:42.42 | DocOliver | bob2: that is my current approach ;) |
| 14:42.51 | jegarto | hello pepop?e |
| 14:42.53 | bob2 | rss: or bookcase... |
| 14:42.53 | DocOliver | bob2: would be nice if one could remove dselect |
| 14:42.55 | jegarto | people |
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| 14:43.02 | DocOliver | bob2: but then I guess it all falls apart |
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| 14:43.22 | DocOliver | bob2: IE, why would I have software installed that I don't use |
| 14:43.31 | bob2 | DocOliver: you can't remove it, btu you can not use it. |
| 14:43.46 | bob2 | twistednerve: anything in "dmesg"? |
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| 14:43.52 | rss | bob2 bookcase is for kde and my hard disk's capacity is 1.2 gb and have 40 mb left and installing bookcase needs 50 mb approx. |
| 14:43.54 | qershor | hello |
| 14:44.01 | abcnew | helo |
| 14:44.02 | bob2 | rss: ok then. |
| 14:44.13 | rss | any other alternative ? |
| 14:44.27 | DocOliver | bob2: so how do I alter the remove flag then? |
| 14:44.28 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.28 | Boboo | anyone using damnsmall linux? |
| 14:44.37 | bob2 | I only know that one because someone mentioned it a few days ago., |
| 14:44.37 | qershor | has anyone here managed to install xebian on a xbox? |
| 14:44.45 | bob2 | Boboo: this is #debian |
| 14:44.48 | abcnew | what output of 'uname -pi'? |
| 14:44.49 | bob2 | qershor: #xbox |
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| 14:45.03 | Boboo | bob2: it's based on debian |
| 14:45.04 | tux-helper | hi jegarto |
| 14:45.15 | bob2 | abcnew: -i is not a valid flag to GNU uname. |
| 14:45.19 | asg | ecstatix: you're welcome |
| 14:45.24 | bob2 | Boboo: so is my momma, she's still off-topic. |
| 14:45.26 | rss | ok then i'll use gnumeric for now |
| 14:45.32 | Boboo | bob2: and i can't find the certain room i am afraid. |
| 14:45.33 | bob2 | DocOliver: um, I don't know. |
| 14:45.37 | chemicallyrelian | rss, whats your partiton scheme like? maybe you could shift some stuff from /usr into /tmp or /var/? |
| 14:45.40 | hippo | abcnew: uname: invalid option -- i |
| 14:45.42 | bob2 | Boboo: try their user mailing list or something. |
| 14:45.53 | bob2 | DocOliver: as I said, I don't use dselect :) |
| 14:45.59 | tux-helper | hi jegarto |
| 14:46.07 | bob2 | DocOliver: if you haven't exited yet, Q should get you out withotu sasving anything, however. |
| 14:46.22 | Boboo | bob2: fine,see you around. |
| 14:46.25 | abcnew | uname 5.0? |
| 14:46.41 | DocOliver | bob2: debfoster did it for me, si I have to find a way to alter the flag |
| 14:46.44 | abcnew | -i print the hardware platform? |
| 14:46.54 | rss | another thing, i've to have a database of questions of different topics so is there any wiki kind of thing which lets me post questions selecting different categories |
| 14:46.59 | rss | i checked freshmeat |
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| 14:47.09 | bob2 | abcnew: mp, it doesn't. what does "cat /etc/debian_version" print out on your machine? |
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| 14:47.10 | Gujin | OK I configured my printer using cups and it's all workin. What print command should I use in mozilla so I can print? |
| 14:47.12 | ecstatix | ok, installed xfce4. now i have a WM i really like the look/feel of. will come back using that/xchat |
| 14:47.14 | ecstatix | heh |
| 14:47.16 | jegarto | i try connect to nets remote with a modems |
| 14:47.17 | jegarto | im try using mgetty + pppd |
| 14:47.17 | jegarto | mgetty response the call modem , but dont start link |
| 14:47.19 | jegarto | i think, what the problem its in pppd |
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| 14:47.19 | bob2 | Gujin: lp or lpr |
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| 14:47.41 | Atila | world here |
| 14:47.47 | hippo | abcnwe: what about uname --help ? |
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| 14:47.50 | rss | but i could find anything having different categories like |
| 14:47.53 | Fare | hi |
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| 14:48.12 | Fare | what's the package for a good interactive X configuration maker? |
| 14:48.15 | twistednerve | bob2: there it is hdd: cdrom_decode_status: status=051 ~~~ SeekComplete Error |
| 14:48.22 | twistednerve | bob2: DMA disabled. |
| 14:48.26 | bob2 | Fare: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:48.34 | Atila | hi jeffico |
| 14:48.37 | bob2 | twistednerve: ah, it hit an error and disabled DMA. |
| 14:48.44 | twistednerve | bob2: y |
| 14:48.45 | Gujin | This is the default command lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} and it's not working.. |
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| 14:48.58 | Fare | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 14:49.01 | bob2 | Gujin: install cupsys-bsd |
| 14:49.07 | rss | another thing if i have to remove msttcorefonts do i have to delete and modify the files myself ? |
| 14:49.08 | Gujin | cups is installed |
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| 14:49.10 | bob2 | twistednerve: no idea why or how to fix it, sorry. |
| 14:49.12 | bob2 | Gujin: install cupsys-bsd |
| 14:49.15 | Gujin | I can print using other applications |
| 14:49.18 | bob2 | rss: mp |
| 14:49.21 | bob2 | rss: er, no. |
| 14:49.25 | rss | apt-get remove removes only the meta package |
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| 14:49.34 | Gujin | ok i will try that thanks bob2 |
| 14:49.48 | twistednerve | bob2: you helped me find part of the problem, that helps a ton, thank you. |
| 14:49.50 | winter_muted | hello! how do i make gcc-2.95 the default compiler? every time i do dist-upgrade to unstable, i get a 3.x compiler as my default gcc |
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| 14:50.03 | bob2 | the only problem with this cd is the lack of "bang and blame" |
| 14:50.03 | abcnew | own uname ah |
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| 14:50.05 | Gujin | winter_muted: link /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 |
| 14:50.10 | bob2 | winter_muted: of course. why do you want to modify it? |
| 14:50.19 | nevyn | winter_muted: why do you want to do that? |
| 14:50.19 | nevyn | winter_muted: don't upgrade to unstable..... |
| 14:50.25 | quant | i have just installed clam antivirus to check my email for viruses. i got one sent to me, and clam email me (postmaster) telling me of the email that had been sent, it said that it was not delivered, but it was... what might be wrong? |
| 14:50.31 | galois | any ideas on what L40 40 40 40, etc means on boot? |
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| 14:50.44 | bob2 | galois: the lilo readme explains it. |
| 14:50.46 | winter_muted | nevyn: I get strange segfaults with 3.2 |
| 14:50.52 | galois | bob2: heading there in a sec |
| 14:50.57 | bob2 | galois: it's code for "something is really fucked, use a boot disk and fix me" |
| 14:50.57 | movie | hi |
| 14:50.59 | Fare | darn. ain't exactly what I need. it's for a thin client that has debian binaries on NFS, but a hand-made /etc (mostly symlinks to the debian server) |
| 14:51.01 | bob2 | winter_muted: then fix your code. |
| 14:51.05 | movie | hello |
| 14:51.11 | winter_muted | bob2: not in my code |
| 14:51.16 | galois | bob2: which is what I am trying now :) |
| 14:51.21 | movie | hi everybody |
| 14:51.22 | winter_muted | when compiling anything with gcc3.x |
| 14:51.29 | bob2 | winter_muted: gcc segfaults? |
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| 14:51.36 | asg | ~hi movie |
| 14:51.38 | winter_muted | bob2: illegal instruction |
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| 14:51.43 | rss | so do i have to remove msttcorefonts the hard way ? |
| 14:51.55 | bob2 | winter_muted: gcc dies with an "illegal instruction" error? |
| 14:51.59 | movie | hi asg |
| 14:52.01 | movie | hehe |
| 14:52.05 | winter_muted | bob2: don't know why. everything is fine with gcc 2.95 |
| 14:52.07 | abcnew | 'uname -p' = unknown?? |
| 14:52.12 | Gecko | Hey, does anyone have a link to a howto about doing your linux paranoidly secure, with encrypted disks and everything? |
| 14:52.16 | bob2 | abcnew: read the changelog. |
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| 14:52.26 | bob2 | winter_muted: gcc dies with an "illegal instruction" error? |
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| 14:52.27 | nevyn | winter_muted: segfaults in your application when compiled with 3.3 or segfaults from gcc? |
| 14:52.30 | ecstatix | I have the screenshot, where do i put it so others can see? I actually want a recommendatios for the X setup that i can point out if someone puts it somewhere |
| 14:52.37 | rss | Gecko switch off the machine |
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| 14:52.41 | asg | movie: if you have any questions, please go ahead and ask in channel |
| 14:52.41 | beta3 | mmm, love honey nut cheerios |
| 14:52.47 | abcnew | bob2: with -p? |
| 14:52.48 | Gecko | rss: lol |
| 14:52.53 | bob2 | winter_muted: if yes, something is majorly broken. |
| 14:52.57 | netbrain | how am i supposed to unpack rpm files in debian? |
| 14:52.58 | quant | i have just installed clam antivirus to check my email for viruses. i got one sent to me, and clam email me (postmaster) telling me of the email that had been sent, it said that it was not delivered, but it was... what might be wrong? |
| 14:53.00 | bob2 | winter_muted: ie massive disk or memory corruption. |
| 14:53.01 | asg | beta3: I've always been partial to cocoa crispies |
| 14:53.08 | rss | netbrain use alien |
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| 14:53.15 | bob2 | quant: depends entirely on your MTA, try their channel. |
| 14:53.18 | ecstatix | netbrain: install rpm, install alien, mc also unpacks rpms |
| 14:53.25 | netbrain | what is alien? an rpm unpacker? |
| 14:53.26 | quant | bob2: oh right, thanks |
| 14:53.27 | bob2 | abcnew: read the coreutils changelog in sid. |
| 14:53.32 | bob2 | netbrain: /msg dpkg info alien |
| 14:53.36 | rss | netbrain use alien to convert rpm into deb |
| 14:53.38 | beta3 | asg: I like that honey nut toaster oatmeal the best |
| 14:53.40 | Fare | is there just a binary that will write me a XF86Config-4 ? |
| 14:53.40 | bob2 | netbrain: converts between package formats |
| 14:53.46 | beta3 | asg: toasted* |
| 14:53.47 | abcnew | bob2: thanks |
| 14:53.59 | bob2 | Fare: xf86config or something. but why? it's not going to change very often. |
| 14:54.01 | rss | netbrain alien is cross package converter |
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| 14:54.10 | Covener | fare: XFree86 -configure |
| 14:54.12 | Fare | bob2: it's going to change NOW |
| 14:54.20 | rss | netbrain see apt-cache show alien |
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| 14:54.25 | winter_muted | bob2: no, hardware is tested, several times. maybe some strange 'static in my chipset', but it doesnt happen with gcc-2.95 beats me. but it would be nice if gcc asked which gcc version I'd like to have as default gcc. |
| 14:54.31 | nevyn | is there a way to reset the terminal without changing the terminal size? |
| 14:54.35 | winter_muted | update-alternatives should work for that ? |
| 14:54.45 | bob2 | winter_muted: no, it doesn't for a very good reason |
| 14:54.50 | bob2 | winter_muted: update the symlin kyourself |
| 14:54.59 | bob2 | winter_muted: or, better still figure out wtf the problem is. |
| 14:55.00 | Covener | nevyn: you can fix the font w/ echo ^O i believe |
| 14:55.14 | netbrain | thanks |
| 14:55.26 | winter_muted | bob2: I've done that for some time already. just bored of manual symlinking |
| 14:55.51 | bob2 | wintermute: /usr/local/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 |
| 14:56.03 | bob2 | wintermute: but seriously, something on your machine is quite badly toasted. |
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| 14:56.25 | wintermute | bob2: you're right :( |
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| 14:56.35 | Fare | ouch. XFree86 -configure killed the machine :( |
| 14:56.50 | oskie | XFree86 is dead, long live XFree86 |
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| 14:58.46 | qwerty- | hi, can someone tell me what do i need to do, I've just installed debian on my system |
| 14:59.00 | nevyn | qwerty-: read the userguide? |
| 14:59.09 | rss | qwerty- ENJOY! |
| 14:59.15 | nevyn | qwerty-: read the administrators guide? |
| 14:59.24 | TT | what do you want to do qwerty? |
| 14:59.24 | bob2 | !+htod |
| 14:59.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, htod is qref.sf.net, newbiedoc.sf.net and http://www.tldp.org, or holy trinity of documentation |
| 14:59.47 | azreal | whats the reccomended way of removeing scripts from rc$.d? i have before just broke the links by linking them to /dev/zero, so in case i need them again, but update-rc.d is fixing them |
| 15:00.21 | bob2 | leave one alone |
| 15:00.28 | bob2 | and update-rc.d won't touch the rest |
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| 15:01.20 | qwerty- | TT i want to have stable debian, latest packages, install kernel 2.6 and install X Desktop + fluxbox-devel (latest version).. |
| 15:01.32 | azreal | bob2: what do you mean? |
| 15:01.32 | wintermute | theres a thing called rcconf |
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| 15:01.53 | bob2 | azreal: leave one of the symlinsk alone. |
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| 15:02.02 | bob2 | azreal: or, better still, why are you touching them at all? |
| 15:02.18 | ecstatix | can anyone http host a png img for me for sometime? |
| 15:02.27 | azreal | bob2: because i do not want lpd loading, i do not want nfs-common running, etc. |
| 15:02.52 | bob2 | azreal: so remove them then |
| 15:02.52 | bob2 | easy |
| 15:03.38 | azreal | bob2: i did |
| 15:03.50 | bob2 | xremove != purge |
| 15:03.53 | bob2 | purge them |
| 15:04.08 | azreal | bob2: i thought re-linking them, and leaving the names there was abetter way though |
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| 15:04.42 | azreal | bob2: i removed them again, so its not a big deal, i was just wodering |
| 15:04.50 | wintermute | sometimes you wantv some files from a package, but don't want it to run on boot |
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| 15:06.22 | boffer | how do I downgrade a system from sid to woody? |
| 15:06.26 | hippo | wintermute: update-rc.d then |
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| 15:06.39 | zakame | hello! anybody knows a place where i can find good gnome2.4 panel backgrounds? |
| 15:07.11 | bob2 | boffer: reinstall. |
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| 15:07.21 | bob2 | zakame: art.gnome.org? |
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| 15:07.54 | zakame | bob2, tried that.... |
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| 15:09.39 | bob2 | boffer: or google, but it will be horribly painful. |
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| 15:09.47 | bob2 | boffer: and may not be possibel at all. |
| 15:10.30 | iamarock | hello |
| 15:10.37 | galois | is there a LBA work around for lilo? |
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| 15:11.11 | caphuso | galois: a what? |
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| 15:13.22 | galois | caphuso: lilo can't seem to find the kernel error 0x40 |
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| 15:13.32 | galois | caphuso: lilo can't seem to find the kernel, error 0x40 |
| 15:13.40 | beta3 | bob2: decided on not getting a T1 |
| 15:13.45 | bob2 | good |
| 15:13.50 | beta3 | bob2: I can get a Wireless DS3 for the same price |
| 15:13.51 | bob2 | I'd have to kick your arse if you did |
| 15:13.52 | boffer | bob2: well, the installation is a year and 4 months old, so I was hoping that woody would have caught up with the old sid packages |
| 15:14.02 | beta3 | bob2: I just ordered it |
| 15:14.04 | galois | boffer: backport? |
| 15:14.06 | Knight_Lord | Does ATI only provides the drivers in RPM format? |
| 15:14.11 | zinx | yes |
| 15:14.15 | bob2 | boffer: you have a large selection of massive security holes there. |
| 15:14.20 | galois | beta3: where are you? |
| 15:14.21 | zinx | there are third-party debs for ATI's drivers |
| 15:14.26 | bob2 | beta3: don't tell me how fast that is. |
| 15:14.27 | beta3 | galois: near philadelphia |
| 15:14.28 | boffer | oops, sorry |
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| 15:14.36 | Knight_Lord | zinx where to get them? |
| 15:14.39 | beta3 | bob2: 45MBITS symmetrical |
| 15:14.41 | caphuso | galois: and you think a "LBA work around" (whatever that's supposed to be) will fix that? |
| 15:14.43 | galois | beta3: cool, impressively cheap then |
| 15:14.48 | zinx | Knight_Lord: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:14.50 | ecstatix | http://www.symonds.net/~zeeble/screenshot.png what is a good font to use in the xchat window insteaed of the one there |
| 15:14.51 | beta3 | galois: I got it for like 1000 |
| 15:14.55 | galois | caphuso: I hoped so yes |
| 15:15.01 | beta3 | bob2: no limits :) |
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| 15:15.02 | Knight_Lord | zinx thanks :-) |
| 15:15.04 | galois | beta3: a month? |
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| 15:15.07 | beta3 | galois: yes |
| 15:15.08 | OwO | I followed the directions in the HOWTO at LinuxOrbit to make a Custom kernel. However after compiling and running lilo I get the error message Warning /proc/partitions does not match /dev Then it mentions my boot partition and Fatal: open /initrd.img No such file |
| 15:15.08 | galois | beta3: you reselling? |
| 15:15.12 | beta3 | galois: yeah |
| 15:15.15 | caphuso | 0x40 "Seek failure". This might be a media problem. Try booting again. |
| 15:15.16 | galois | beta3: good :) |
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| 15:15.20 | boffer | galois: trying to downgrade from sid to woody, and the sid installation is a year and four months old |
| 15:15.21 | bztunk | beta3: you're going to pay 1000$ per month for teh intarwebnet? lol :D |
| 15:15.27 | beta3 | galois: I was thinking about hosting a freenode server here |
| 15:15.33 | Knight_Lord | zinx do you know if i can get 9600XT working with the ati driver (with no acceleration)? |
| 15:15.34 | bztunk | beta3: oh resell heh, of course |
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| 15:15.51 | pneuma | wow i can no longer submit a bug to debian because the mail server now rejects my mail. what a drag. |
| 15:15.54 | knt | hi all, am i able to repair bad blocks with e2fsck commands -p (preen) option? |
| 15:16.05 | bob2 | pneuma: complain on a list. |
| 15:16.11 | zinx | Knight_Lord: yes, but i'd personally specify 'radeon' explicitly ('ati' just automatically chooses one of several) |
| 15:16.13 | galois | caphuso: well I am an optimist, plus the media seems to be fine (booted ok from a rescue disk) |
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| 15:16.18 | zinx | Knight_Lord: it may be neccesary to specify the ChipID |
| 15:16.21 | pneuma | bob2: good idea. because i'm using a valid smarthost. |
| 15:16.26 | beta3 | bztunk: its need for speed :) |
| 15:16.28 | zinx | Knight_Lord: setting it to the 9600 pro or 9600 something |
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| 15:16.48 | beta3 | bob2: Wireless DS3 == much better deal, and 30x faster |
| 15:16.49 | caphuso | galois: good. go enable your "LBA work around" and be happy |
| 15:16.53 | bztunk | beta3: yeah i know hehehe. I want to start my isp just for speed :D |
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| 15:17.11 | OwO | I followed the directions in the HOWTO at LinuxOrbit to make a Custom kernel. However after compiling and running lilo I get the error message Warning /proc/partitions does not match /dev Then it mentions my boot partition and Fatal: open /initrd.img No such file How can I correct this ? |
| 15:17.13 | caphuso | i still don't know WTF a "LBA work around" is |
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| 15:17.23 | Knight_Lord | zinx it's because i have a "no device found" error and i'm not sure if it's because of the driver or if it has a deeper source |
| 15:17.23 | caphuso | why would you want to work around LBA? |
| 15:17.25 | pneuma | "The recipient does |
| 15:17.26 | pneuma | not accept mails from 'gmx.net' over foreign mailservers" yet my ISP forces me to use their mail server (not GMX) so I am screwed |
| 15:17.35 | veleno | in dmesg (linux 2.6.0-stable) i see this: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 0.9.7 (Thu Sep 25 19:16:36 2003 UTC).ALSA device list: #0: Sound Blaster Live! (rev.5) at 0xd800, irq 10. alsa is built-in the running kernel, but when kde starts, it complains about missing /dev/dsp...how can i fix this? |
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| 15:17.40 | bztunk | pneuma: you can add a gpg signature and stuff like that to get a lower spam rating |
| 15:17.41 | zinx | Knight_Lord: it's because the driver doesn't have your card in its list of cards |
| 15:17.41 | galois | caphuso: old mobo which does not support lba addressing |
| 15:17.42 | OwO | chemicallyrelian - I have / |
| 15:17.47 | galois | and I have no idea what one is either |
| 15:17.49 | ecstatix | i dunno why there si no howto written that tells you to put the boot image in /boot, instaead of / |
| 15:17.57 | GoE | veleno: enable OSS API Emulation |
| 15:17.57 | zinx | Knight_Lord: set ChipID to the 9600 or 9600 pro (check /usr/share/misc/pci.ids) |
| 15:17.58 | pneuma | bztunk: its not a spam-related rejection |
| 15:18.00 | bztunk | veleno: alsa don't use /dev/dsp |
| 15:18.13 | bztunk | pneuma: oh no? heh ok |
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| 15:18.16 | beta3 | veleno: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 15:18.16 | veleno | GoE: in the kernel? |
| 15:18.23 | Wolfram2 | hi |
| 15:18.26 | TT | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.40 | caphuso | galois: aha... then your "LBA work around" is a simple "#" |
| 15:18.47 | GoE | veleno: indeed |
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| 15:19.00 | pneuma | bztunk: the message does not indicate it is. whether having a gpg signature would also bypass the reject in the message is another story |
| 15:19.05 | beta3 | bob2: do you think it would be to my benefit to become a debian mirror :) |
| 15:19.05 | galois | caphuso: it is? right ... off to lilo.conf |
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| 15:19.47 | bztunk | beta3: i don't know how it would benefit you heh |
| 15:19.57 | bztunk | beta3: you'll get, i don't know.. props? |
| 15:20.01 | Covener | galois: have toom at the head of your disk for a /boot? |
| 15:20.11 | beta3 | bztunk: well, all the people I resell to, will have a chance of a fast debian mirror |
| 15:20.16 | galois | Covener: ? |
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| 15:20.32 | Knight_Lord | zinx my pci.ids doesn't have any reference to Radeon 9600 |
| 15:20.41 | pneuma | man i hate my ISP. the block all SMTP traffic except to their servers yet then their server as a smarthost does not support TLS. idiots. |
| 15:20.45 | galois | Covener: I have a /boot yes |
| 15:20.46 | OwO | chemicallyrelian - There is an OLD img in /boot called /boot/initrd.img-2.4.22-1-386 |
| 15:21.10 | kj | @/nick 193857 |
| 15:21.14 | zinx | Knight_Lord: darn |
| 15:21.20 | zinx | Knight_Lord: you get to scour the web for it then :/ |
| 15:21.24 | bztunk | ! |
| 15:21.29 | kj | =/nick tekstnick |
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| 15:21.56 | OwO | Ah... well, giving up is not great |
| 15:22.06 | zinx | Knight_Lord: actually, here it is: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/?i=1002 |
| 15:22.11 | OwO | I did have a directory called initrd CREATED in the / directory |
| 15:22.19 | OwO | but it was empty |
| 15:22.23 | Covener | galois: and it's at the front of your diskand you're still having lilo trouble? |
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| 15:22.43 | bztunk | janlibicek: you like to change nicks? |
| 15:22.53 | libusehvlavacova | yes |
| 15:23.00 | galois | Covener: no idea if it is at the front of my disk |
| 15:23.04 | OwO | Would someone knowledgable explain how initrd.img is created during a custom kernel build ? |
| 15:23.07 | bztunk | libusehvlavacova: stop trying to overtake the channel lol |
| 15:23.20 | galois | OwO: iirc lilo can create them |
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| 15:23.42 | OwO | galois - And if lilo gives and error ? |
| 15:24.00 | galois | OwO: no idea, as you can probably tell I am not expert at this |
| 15:24.17 | galois | OwO: just read lilo docs and noticed an option suggesting it could create them |
| 15:24.28 | OwO | galois - Well, thanks anyways. :) |
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| 15:25.58 | galois | Covener: lilo -v gives a warning of warning: LBA32 addressing assumed |
| 15:26.17 | Covener | galois: is the error in loading the kernel or the root fs? |
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| 15:26.49 | gunebakan | I need a CD writer software, is there anybody can suggest a software? What is your best? |
| 15:26.49 | Knight_Lord | Does the nForce2 AGP works in kernel 2.6? |
| 15:26.58 | Knight_Lord | Or do i need a special patch? |
| 15:27.05 | Ikarus_ | gunebakan: cdrecord |
| 15:27.09 | asg | gunebakan: cdrecord |
| 15:27.25 | streuner | gunebakan: or/and cdrdao |
| 15:27.27 | gunebakan | is it in woody? |
| 15:27.40 | galois | Covener: kernel |
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| 15:27.47 | asg | !info cdrecord woody |
| 15:27.48 | galois | Covener: lilo can run the menu |
| 15:27.49 | dpkg | cdrecord: (A command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 4:1.10-7 (woody), Packaged size: 337 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
| 15:28.12 | galois | Covener: just then gives error 0x40 repeatedly, ctrl berings back the menu |
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| 15:29.51 | galois | Covener: bbias, retrying now |
| 15:29.58 | gunebakan | is there any gtk gui based CD Record Software? |
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| 15:30.19 | asg | gunebakan: xcdroast |
| 15:30.36 | gunebakan | it works with gnome? |
| 15:30.40 | asg | gunebakan: or apt-cache search cd record software |
| 15:30.46 | azreal | gunebakan: frontends to cdrecord though, i like gcombust, there are lots though |
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| 15:31.22 | asg | gunebakan: just try them all and find the one you like the most |
| 15:31.32 | gunebakan | thanks all |
| 15:31.52 | eugynon | is there a tool to make a kernel-config? |
| 15:32.04 | lazarus | eugynon: make menuconfig |
| 15:32.32 | lazarus | eugynon: you really have read ZERO docs before asking that, huh? :( |
| 15:32.44 | eugynon | lazarus: well, i seem to forget something everytime i use it... |
| 15:32.57 | lazarus | eugynon: the docs are right there, use them, not us |
| 15:32.57 | eugynon | lazarus: autoconfig tool i mean... not menuconfig |
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| 15:33.10 | beta3 | asg: I need to run to DMV to go get a photo id so i can become an official DD :) |
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| 15:33.19 | lazarus | eugynon: you can't autoconfig a kernel, that would be ludicrous |
| 15:33.32 | asg | beta3: :) off you go then. Congratz again :) |
| 15:33.38 | lazarus | beta3: how lame |
| 15:34.00 | azreal | if drugs were legal and you had to pick them up at the DMV, there would be no drug problem |
| 15:34.16 | beta3 | asg: not yet |
| 15:34.18 | Knight_Lord | zinx How do i set the ChipID option? |
| 15:34.19 | lazarus | eugynon: how can some software decide what you do or do not want to do with your machine? |
| 15:34.38 | PuReMaSsAcRe | Brazil in the area |
| 15:34.46 | beta3 | asg: Im trying to figure out how to write a cron job to check on my tracking of my ups package |
| 15:34.53 | lazarus | PuReMaSsAcRe: youo make no sense |
| 15:35.04 | surrounder | hi, I've got a problem concerning X11, I don't know how it happened, but it takes up to 5 minutes to start even fluxbox at this point :S |
| 15:35.07 | asg | beta3: hah |
| 15:35.09 | lazarus | PuReMaSsAcRe: what are you asking? |
| 15:35.09 | beta3 | asg: totaltrack@ups.com and stick the tracking number in the body |
| 15:35.19 | asg | beta3: try perl LWP |
| 15:35.31 | eugynon | lazarus: would be nice to get a working kernel config thou... cant use lsmod, but i have all the module stuff implemented in kernel... |
| 15:35.37 | surrounder | tried to reinstall it..didn't help a bit |
| 15:35.44 | beta3 | asg: wouldn't it be easier to setup a sendmail cron job |
| 15:35.45 | lazarus | eugynon: what? |
| 15:36.11 | caphuso | eugynon: "can't use lsmod"? |
| 15:36.11 | lazarus | eugynon: how is it you can't handle make menuconfig? |
| 15:36.22 | asg | beta3: didn't know they supported email alerts |
| 15:36.33 | beta3 | asg: ok so i have to write an email message |
| 15:37.12 | asg | beta3: echo 'blah' | mutt -s 'blah' <recipient> |
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| 15:37.59 | beta3 | asg: huh |
| 15:38.01 | beta3 | ??? |
| 15:38.24 | asg | beta3: we are probably talking across purposes then :) |
| 15:38.37 | beta3 | asg: it has to be in the body |
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| 15:39.22 | amundsen | is xfree 4.3.0 in sid ? |
| 15:39.25 | caphuso | amundsen: no |
| 15:39.34 | ecstatix | experimental |
| 15:39.42 | amundsen | ok |
| 15:39.54 | ecstatix | someone recommend good games for linux |
| 15:40.05 | ecstatix | small and relaxing |
| 15:40.06 | simonrvn | apt-cache search games |
| 15:40.11 | lazarus | ecstatix: vimtutor |
| 15:40.11 | beta3 | asg: thats real nice, ups's mta uses tls |
| 15:40.13 | beta3 | asg: 2003-12-26 10:40:04 1AZu4K-0007Ks-5O <= customer.service@ups.com H=xavier4.ups.com [153.2.242.135] P=esmtp X=TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24 S=2058 id=200312261539.hBQFdfn10782@monolith3.ups.com |
| 15:40.15 | asg | beta3: then create the mail message with optional From, To, and Subject headers as necessary and the body and use 'mail <message recip@domain' |
| 15:40.18 | ecstatix | lazarus: hehe |
| 15:40.25 | ecstatix | lazarus: that is not relaxing |
| 15:40.34 | simonrvn | yes it is :) |
| 15:40.34 | lazarus | ecstatix: have some coffee |
| 15:40.35 | asg | ecstatix: nethack |
| 15:40.36 | ecstatix | lazarus: its like saying C-X C-H |
| 15:40.52 | lazarus | ecstatix: you've done too much emacs |
| 15:40.53 | beta3 | asg: that worked anyway |
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| 15:40.57 | asg | beta3: *nod* |
| 15:41.00 | ecstatix | lazarus: XEmacs |
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| 15:41.12 | surrounder | ohooh, flamewar in the air... |
| 15:41.22 | ecstatix | lazarus: the editor i really like in console is jed and in X is scite |
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| 15:41.44 | lazarus | ecstatix: is there a jedtutor though? |
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| 15:41.46 | anonimo | does anyone have a trust usb2 380 spacecom webcam? |
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| 15:42.00 | ishai | alrighty - im pretty po'd about my western digital hard drive |
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| 15:42.08 | Knight_Lord | I should have an entry in dmesg about AGP right? |
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| 15:42.12 | ecstatix | lazarus: no |
| 15:42.18 | beta3 | asg: I put this in my crontab |
| 15:42.21 | ishai | I didnt know they ever did udma-66 drives |
| 15:42.24 | beta3 | asg: @hourly echo '1Z 181 253 03 0554 009 9' | mutt -s '1Z 181 253 03 0554 009 9' totaltrack@ups.com |
| 15:42.30 | Knight_Lord | How can i tell if my AGP has been detected? |
| 15:42.30 | ishai | I thought it was all udma 100 |
| 15:42.43 | ishai | sorry - "ultra ata" |
| 15:43.02 | ecstatix | lazarus: jed is like emacs i think, most key bindings |
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| 15:44.10 | interoz | we are looking for some irc bot, we don't have a real clue yet, is there a list of them with feature comparsion so we can pick one? |
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| 15:45.04 | colde | streuner :: still have to nerve you with my questions ... |
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| 15:45.46 | lazarus | interoz: not in #debian |
| 15:45.48 | simonrvn | "still have to /bug/ you with my questions..." |
| 15:45.55 | queuetue | When I try to bring up eth0, I get "no such device" ... How do I know what device it's trying to use? |
| 15:45.58 | lazarus | interoz: why are you looking here rather than google? |
| 15:46.01 | colde | streuner could stil not install my modules couse they not on /lib/modules/2.4.18... |
| 15:46.07 | interoz | lazarus: i was sent here from simonrvn |
| 15:46.51 | lazarus | interoz: strange |
| 15:47.06 | interoz | :) |
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| 15:47.34 | simonrvn | interoz: apt-cache search irc bot |
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| 15:47.54 | colde | how to get /lib/modules/2.4.18... for installtion debian via floppy ?? |
| 15:48.01 | interoz | simonrvn: thanks |
| 15:48.08 | interoz | ilTizio: apt-cache search irc bot |
| 15:48.22 | LoRez | colde: use the drivers disks when you install |
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| 15:48.38 | lazarus | simonrvn: i don't think so |
| 15:48.40 | lazarus | simonrvn: eagle - Printed circuit board design tool |
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| 15:48.59 | lazarus | simonrvn: it doesn't look for the combination, just any of the strings |
| 15:49.11 | colde | LoPez :: did, but istalled only the two first ones |
| 15:49.27 | newt3k | hi, and stuff |
| 15:49.28 | galois | hmm same problem as before |
| 15:50.02 | lazarus | simonrvn: on google at least you can refine your search, i've not found a means to do so with apt-cache |
| 15:50.26 | newt3k | would anybody be able to tell me how to change the IRQ on my crappy SB16PnP? |
| 15:50.39 | lazarus | newt3k: read the printed manual |
| 15:50.40 | newt3k | without using some dos utility lol |
| 15:50.52 | agney | I am having problems with profiles on samba. when users logon in a diferent version of windows (xp or 2003) the profile crash. how can I forward profiles based on windows version ? |
| 15:51.17 | galois | agney: you want to seperate win9x from nt users? |
| 15:51.23 | Knight_Lord | When i start X should the log say soemthing about AGP? |
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| 15:51.44 | newt3k | lazarus: i have no manual with the soundcard (cause its old and stuff) ill try the creative site i guess |
| 15:51.46 | galois | otherwise they *should* be generally compatible |
| 15:52.15 | agney | galois: I am already doing this. but I can not separete NT from 2003 for example. and they have different profiles struct |
| 15:52.44 | galois | do they? Didn't realise ms changed it with 2003 |
| 15:52.47 | Knight_Lord | How do i know if my AGP was detected? |
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| 15:52.51 | galois | agney: you using samba 3.0.x? |
| 15:53.02 | simonrvn | funny, with that very search i turned up 8 irc bots, out of 14 results |
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| 15:53.10 | galois | agney: iirc they introduced 2003 compatibilty in 3.0 |
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| 15:53.31 | agney | galois: yes. 3.0 |
| 15:53.46 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: lspci |
| 15:53.47 | beta3 | this is debian not winblowz |
| 15:53.49 | colde | queuetue :: try route ... |
| 15:53.52 | saloxin | Knight_Lord: dmesg for kernel support, /var/log/XFree86.0.log for X support |
| 15:53.52 | galois | not sure then, try #samba (and wait a while) |
| 15:53.58 | asg | agney: also check http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html |
| 15:53.58 | beta3 | agney: galois: take it to #windows |
| 15:54.03 | beta3 | :) |
| 15:54.07 | Fare | Knight_Lord: dmesg | less ?? |
| 15:54.15 | colde | Lopez :: any idea ?? |
| 15:54.19 | queuetue | colde: No, I mean the interface won't come up. Says device not found... |
| 15:54.21 | galois | beta3: meh, this is linux not windows |
| 15:54.29 | can | anyone know any different between ibook and powerbook? |
| 15:54.33 | jarping | as I apply to the patch modconf-linux2.6.0-patch to sources of modconf-0.2.44??? |
| 15:54.34 | galois | now my lilo problem is linux |
| 15:54.35 | Fare | can: pricing |
| 15:54.47 | galois | can: power, looks |
| 15:54.54 | agney | beta3: I am talking about samba. not about windows. |
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| 15:55.10 | can | Fare: which is more power? and latest? |
| 15:55.13 | simonrvn | ok people, just cool it.. |
| 15:55.19 | dexcophan | i want to retrieve the list using apt from unmounted fat32. whut arg to put on? |
| 15:55.22 | Knight_Lord | I got one line on dmesg saying agpart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe0000000 |
| 15:55.25 | can | galois: got any pics URL for that? |
| 15:55.27 | galois | can: powerbook is more powerfull both are recent |
| 15:55.28 | simonrvn | can: go see the site. and ask in a proper ppc channel |
| 15:55.30 | Knight_Lord | And that's all |
| 15:55.33 | galois | can: apple.com |
| 15:55.36 | agney | asg: topic 3 is waht I was looking for. thanks a log |
| 15:55.41 | agney | s/log/lot |
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| 15:55.44 | jarping | as I apply to the patch modconf-linux2.6.0-patch to sources of modconf-0.2.44??? patch -p1 patch-li..... not working!! |
| 15:55.45 | asg | agney: you're welcome |
| 15:55.46 | can | simonrvn: okay. :) |
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| 15:55.57 | simonrvn | can: #debianppc |
| 15:55.59 | colde | queuetue :: try to edit /etc/networks/interfaces and ask the experts ... |
| 15:56.00 | agney | galois: thanks too. |
| 15:56.04 | galois | agney: samba.org has a link to samba 3 book |
| 15:56.08 | can | simonrvn: tks. |
| 15:56.22 | simonrvn | network not networks, networks is a file |
| 15:56.33 | riotrick | hi |
| 15:56.36 | agney | galois: I will try everything. thanks :) |
| 15:56.38 | Knight_Lord | saloxin but i get no AGP references in the Xfree log |
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| 15:56.44 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
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| 15:57.43 | colde | how to get /lib/modules/2.4.18... for installtion debian via floppy ?? |
| 15:57.46 | newt3k | where is the location of the config files for sound cards in debian? i hate different distros lol |
| 15:57.51 | saloxin | Knight_Lord: I do |
| 15:58.15 | saloxin | newt3k: use modconf |
| 15:58.17 | asg | newt3k: /msg dpkg audio |
| 15:58.33 | newt3k | aha.. tools =) |
| 15:58.36 | newt3k | ill try those thank you |
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| 15:59.43 | saloxin | newt3k: you can even try sndconfig |
| 15:59.56 | as13 | how to login to a installation without shadow files and passwords ? it is debootstrapped |
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| 16:00.20 | saloxin | as13: just push enter on password prompt? |
| 16:00.30 | as13 | what if to copy shadow from working system? |
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| 16:00.50 | newt3k | well i already have the module installed, i just can't get the stupid PnP card to use a free irq.. apt-getting sndconfig |
| 16:00.58 | as13 | saloxin if so easy... it says login incorrect |
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| 16:01.15 | saloxin | newt3k: isa card? |
| 16:01.23 | newt3k | yessir |
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| 16:01.44 | chemicallyrelian | maybe add lines to the module file? |
| 16:02.05 | chemicallyrelian | options sb io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1 |
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| 16:02.17 | saloxin | newt3k: pci cards now share irq's without a problem. can't remember wether isa does this... |
| 16:02.30 | zinx | saloxin: definitely not |
| 16:02.44 | zinx | that's one of the things PCI was created to solve |
| 16:02.51 | saloxin | zinx: heh, isa should be shot |
| 16:02.59 | beta3 | asg: I love cron :)\ |
| 16:03.06 | zinx | saloxin: it already has been :) |
| 16:03.09 | newt3k | lol |
| 16:03.14 | colde | saloxin :: how to get modules for installation over ethernet with installing debian on floppy`s ?? |
| 16:03.15 | asg | beta3: yes |
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| 16:03.27 | oskie | newt3k: AFAIK, just because it is ISA PnP doesn't mean it will use *any* IRQ... there are only a limited set of choices |
| 16:03.37 | saloxin | colde: did you get all 6 floppies for bf24? |
| 16:03.49 | newt3k | yeah, it says 7 is busy.. but i only have ONE other card and no peripherals lol |
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| 16:03.57 | newt3k | thats apparently what its set to |
| 16:04.10 | saloxin | newt3k: cat /proc/interrupts and see what is there? |
| 16:04.10 | colde | saloxin :: had get 4 of 4 |
| 16:04.36 | newt3k | lol 7 isnt being used either |
| 16:04.38 | saloxin | colde: for bf2.4 install you need 6 floppies. SIX!! root, boot, 4 driver floppies |
| 16:04.38 | newt3k | oh the pain ;) |
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| 16:05.11 | colde | saloxin :: had all ones |
| 16:05.31 | saloxin | newt3k: /msg dpkg isapnp sound |
| 16:05.50 | colde | saloxin :: root and boot !! |
| 16:05.56 | saloxin | !tell colde about ig |
| 16:06.10 | Chameleon21 | just put in a cdrom in a linux box, whats the syntax to detect it with discover package? man page is not very helpful :( |
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| 16:06.35 | colde | have read them, but no modules where installed ... |
| 16:06.36 | newt3k | i might have configg-ed it.. time for a test |
| 16:06.54 | Chameleon21 | LoRez, ? |
| 16:07.03 | saloxin | Chameleon21: dmesg | grep -i cd-rom |
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| 16:07.11 | colde | Chameleon21 :: have no cdrom .. |
| 16:07.13 | satanik | hello all |
| 16:07.26 | colde | Lopez :: any idea ?? |
| 16:07.28 | satanik | how are you? |
| 16:07.40 | LoRez | colde: are you talking to me? |
| 16:07.56 | LoRez | because there isn't anyone in here named lopez |
| 16:08.01 | satanik | can i get help. |
| 16:08.01 | satanik | ? |
| 16:08.15 | LoRez | satanik: not without asking a question. we're not psychic |
| 16:08.18 | asg | satanik: just ask |
| 16:08.25 | satanik | ok |
| 16:08.47 | colde | LoPez:: yes still missing my modules in /lib/modules |
| 16:08.53 | satanik | i want start a script when my debian start |
| 16:09.14 | LoRez | colde: if you're talking to me, address me, not LoPez |
| 16:09.21 | satanik | but i know not where i put the script |
| 16:09.36 | asg | satanik: look at /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:09.51 | asg | satanik: alternatively, you can add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 16:09.52 | satanik | asg> yes |
| 16:10.02 | satanik | asg> ok |
| 16:10.07 | colde | LoPez :: had you .. |
| 16:10.12 | asg | satanik: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example if you use the former recommendation |
| 16:10.15 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to use ATI drivers with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:10.24 | LoRez | colde: are you just dumb, or does your R key not work? |
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| 16:10.45 | satanik | asg> but before i used redhat and i copy script in /etc/ini.d/ |
| 16:10.53 | satanik | asg> and its good |
| 16:11.03 | satanik | asg> but in debian is not fonctional |
| 16:11.05 | LoRez | colde: do I have any idea about what? |
| 16:11.06 | asg | satanik: you can do that too (use update-rc.d to add the necessary runlevel symlinks) |
| 16:11.09 | interoz | /etc/ini.d/ ? |
| 16:11.21 | asg | satanik: if you took the script from redhat, they use functions that debian doesn't have |
| 16:11.27 | satanik | interoz> not scuse |
| 16:11.28 | colde | LoPez:: still missing my modules in /lib/modules |
| 16:11.38 | plugwash | colde are you the same guy that uses that nick on quakenet? |
| 16:11.39 | satanik | asg> not is a script in bash |
| 16:11.45 | asg | satanik: you'll have to rewrite the script to remove the redhatiness from it |
| 16:12.05 | LoRez | colde: and you're still missing an R |
| 16:12.15 | asg | LoRez: you think boiling oil will help? |
| 16:12.20 | satanik | asg> is a script just to change my ip in start and turn on sound |
| 16:12.22 | colde | LoPez:: try to install debian with floppy?s and maybe if it is possible over a eternetconnection this will be installed . |
| 16:12.38 | mage | I don't need scsi-emulation for an ide cd writer with kernel 2.6, true ? |
| 16:12.42 | satanik | asg> because i have knoppix and it dont save |
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| 16:12.46 | satanik | config |
| 16:12.58 | colde | LoPez : will loock for are |
| 16:13.00 | asg | satanik: #knoppix will be more helpful regarding knoppix questions |
| 16:13.18 | satanik | asg> ok thx i go to it |
| 16:13.25 | satanik | asg> very thx |
| 16:13.30 | Knight_Lord | mage for what i heard yes |
| 16:13.35 | asg | satanik: you're welcome |
| 16:13.41 | mage | okay :p |
| 16:13.45 | galois | anyone have any top tips on how to get lilo to find a kernel on a large disk when the mobo doesn't recognise it? |
| 16:13.47 | satanik | asg ok |
| 16:14.05 | queuetue | What's the "right" way to tell debian to load my es1371 driver (audio card) on boot? |
| 16:14.11 | saloxin | galois: grub |
| 16:14.12 | asg | queuetue: modconf |
| 16:14.27 | mage | queuetue: /etc/modules |
| 16:14.40 | LoRez | he really is that blind |
| 16:14.43 | galois | saloxin: that would be an alternative to lilo :) |
| 16:15.21 | saloxin | galois: lilo uses drive geometry from bios to load 2nd stage and kernel. If this bios/mobo is borked, so are you I believe ;-) |
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| 16:15.47 | galois | saloxin: so I will need to use grub |
| 16:15.51 | asg | LoRez: maybe he has lost his left index finger and is using 'P' to compensate? |
| 16:16.28 | saloxin | galois: grub rocks. You get a boot shell and can mount most filesystems directly. |
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| 16:16.40 | LoRez | asg: he can seem to hit the 'r' just fine in the word try |
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| 16:17.46 | colde | LoRez :: sorry massage understoot now ... |
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| 16:19.04 | chemicallyrelian | where does apt store the list of cdrom drive paths? mine is trying /cdrom/ but i want it to try /mnt/cdrom |
| 16:19.18 | LoRez | chemicallyrelian: /etc/fstab |
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| 16:24.10 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 16:24.22 | galois | saloxin: less easy to follow than lilo though |
| 16:24.47 | galois | saloxin: lilo I just edit lilo.conf, run lilo and reboot |
| 16:24.57 | saloxin | galois: it's a little different. the debian docs in /usr/share/doc/grub/ is nice though. |
| 16:25.01 | galois | r007: son't irc as root |
| 16:25.04 | Chameleon21 | how do i tell debian i just chucked in a new cdrom ? |
| 16:25.21 | galois | saloxin: easy enough I won't screw it up 1st time? |
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| 16:25.43 | saloxin | galois: erm, you might want a bootfloppy |
| 16:25.56 | galois | saloxin: atm using the install CD |
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| 16:26.05 | saloxin | galois: ah ok. |
| 16:26.08 | Corpus | Hi |
| 16:26.40 | santaclaws | I installed galeon from testing and when I start it I am told that it could not get it's schema from gconf and to go read the galeon faq. I read the galeon faq and did what it said and i still get the same error.. any ideas? |
| 16:26.54 | neewt | Anyone here running pine+imap? |
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| 16:27.26 | ilTizio | neewt: here i am, let's see if i can help ;-) |
| 16:27.34 | illuzion | hi |
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| 16:28.03 | ilTizio | neewt: just ask your question |
| 16:28.20 | illuzion | anyone expirienced with kernelupdates? |
| 16:29.22 | illuzion | :-) kernel panic generates user panic :-) |
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| 16:29.53 | neewt | ilTizio, I dont want to enter my "imap-password" every time I login to my imap-account. I've seen that I should create a file with the password in it. But is this enabled by default if i installed it by getting the source from apt? |
| 16:30.04 | trans_err | xine has a lot of a/v sync problems any suggestions? |
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| 16:30.13 | caphuso | trans_err: try mplayer |
| 16:30.15 | erik | hey, is there any easy way to set up a VPN with debian? |
| 16:30.15 | Ikarus_ | neewt: Pine is evil |
| 16:30.15 | asg | trans_err: mplayer |
| 16:30.29 | neewt | Ikarus_, pine is simple too :) |
| 16:30.36 | shaddai | erik: use vtun |
| 16:30.39 | Ikarus_ | neewt: mutt is atleast as simple |
| 16:30.49 | ilTizio | neewt: never used anything which doesn't ask a password ;-) |
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| 16:31.17 | erik | shaddai: hm, thanks |
| 16:31.18 | galois | neewt: you could run fetchmail |
| 16:31.25 | neewt | ilTizio, well, it asks a password from the client, but I dont have to specify it, the client does it with automatic |
| 16:31.37 | neewt | galois, i want to run imap, why would i want fetchmail? |
| 16:31.45 | mfbian | how can i config mutt to read from pop3 server |
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| 16:31.58 | ilTizio | neewt: if you compile pine from source you'll get the same package you get with apt-get, |
| 16:32.01 | asg | mfbian: read the reference in /usr/share/doc/mutt |
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| 16:32.15 | galois | neewt: to allow you to fetch your mail from teh imap server and store your pass |
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| 16:32.34 | ilTizio | neewt: I know what you mean, I use pine+imap too ;-) |
| 16:32.50 | neewt | ilTizio, and you enter your pass every time? |
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| 16:33.17 | ilTizio | neewt: yes I do :) |
| 16:33.35 | neewt | thats a bit annoying, Im thinking of trying mutt |
| 16:33.42 | ilTizio | neewt: I also use password (well keyphrase) each time i use ssh ;-) |
| 16:34.21 | erik | use gnus |
| 16:34.55 | asg | ~start an mua war |
| 16:35.02 | erik | heh |
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| 16:35.23 | asg | !kick apt |
| 16:35.37 | nichos_ | how can i set debian to have certain modules load at boot? |
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| 16:35.46 | neewt | nichos_, modconf |
| 16:35.46 | erik | nichos_: /etc/modules |
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| 16:35.54 | nichos_ | thanks guys |
| 16:35.56 | mslt80 | hello all |
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| 16:36.14 | jenova | HI ALL |
| 16:36.15 | oskie | check out the fools at http://www.mplayerhq.hu.. they're changing from Debian to Slackware because 'Debian sucks' .. geez |
| 16:36.29 | erik | oskie: yeah, mplayer guys are great trolls |
| 16:36.33 | zinx | oskie: mplayer guys hate debian |
| 16:36.48 | erik | it's because debian won't include mplayer due to its failure to comply to DFSG |
| 16:37.01 | mslt80 | i've just installed woody, does anyone have suggestions of what .deb packages i should install. i know "X" and all that stuff, but what are some good packagesthat I should install?? |
| 16:37.06 | oskie | I think their only reason for hating debian is because they don't understand licensing |
| 16:37.16 | mfbian | erik: no |
| 16:37.43 | mfbian | it's better to compile mplayer instead of add it as binary package |
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| 16:37.58 | erik | nah |
| 16:38.04 | erik | mplayer has good debian packages |
| 16:38.07 | gigh | I have apm loaded, but when i shutdown my system using KDM, it doesnt shut off on its on, it just says "power down" |
| 16:38.07 | erik | at marillat.free.fr |
| 16:38.35 | mslt80 | gigh my system does the same thing |
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| 16:38.48 | Chameleon21 | how do i tell debian i just inserted a new CDROM |
| 16:38.48 | Chameleon21 | ? |
| 16:38.49 | erik | gigh: compile ACPI into kernel |
| 16:38.51 | gigh | when i use knoppix, it shuts it off ok |
| 16:38.53 | streuner_ | oskie: read the whole article |
| 16:38.54 | erik | Chameleon21: mount it? |
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| 16:39.07 | gigh | erik ill check that out, thanks |
| 16:39.08 | oskie | streuner_: what article? |
| 16:39.11 | Chameleon21 | erik: nop |
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| 16:40.03 | streuner_ | oskie: they were cracked, i think it make them angry... |
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| 16:40.30 | oskie | streuner_: that's the reason for reinstalling, not for changing to slackware.. |
| 16:40.48 | Chameleon21 | erik: get "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exists" |
| 16:40.50 | asg | oskie: and staying current with d-s |
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| 16:42.11 | streuner_ | oskie: "The old OS was installed 3 years ago, so time to clean up the mess" |
| 16:42.44 | oskie | streuner_: yeah, aren't they upgrading it? |
| 16:43.50 | Chameleon21 | mount /mnt/cdrom returns an error: mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist, how can i fix it ? |
| 16:44.15 | streuner_ | oskie: http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2003-December/022821.html |
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| 16:44.24 | asg | Chameleon21: man MAKEDEV |
| 16:45.01 | Chameleon21 | thanx asg for the life of me couldnt remember the command lol, was trying mkdev lol |
| 16:45.04 | oskie | streuner_: yeah I've read it... |
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| 16:45.46 | streuner_ | oskie: the real reason is, that the one guy who admin the box, have more knowledge about slack then debian... |
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| 16:45.58 | oskie | streuner_: heh .. ok |
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| 16:46.52 | Sebulba02 | talking about mplayer again? |
| 16:47.03 | oskie | yeahs |
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| 16:47.15 | GoE | what about mplayer? |
| 16:47.36 | Sebulba02 | Goto that link and read what they said about debian |
| 16:47.45 | streuner_ | http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2003-December/022821.html |
| 16:47.47 | oskie | "they're changing from Debian to Slackware because 'Debian sucks'.." |
| 16:47.59 | GoE | well? |
| 16:48.03 | GoE | it's a Free world |
| 16:48.07 | GoE | if they think it sucks, they change |
| 16:48.10 | asg | Chameleon21: you're welcome |
| 16:48.22 | GoE | We should appreciate the freedom the GPL gives us to make such decisions |
| 16:48.27 | Sebulba02 | Thats how I see it, its their opinion. |
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| 16:48.39 | GoE | I mean yes, it's a bit childish, the way they put it |
| 16:48.41 | asg | GoE: they think it sucks because their administrator was not paying attention to security updates |
| 16:48.44 | GoE | but the actualy change is their choice |
| 16:48.49 | GoE | so? let them |
| 16:48.59 | mslt80 | do they have a .deb package for mplayer? official or unofficial? |
| 16:48.59 | GoE | *actual change |
| 16:49.14 | asg | mslt80: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 16:49.18 | GoE | (gentoo's the real stuff anyway :P :P) |
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| 16:50.00 | Saw^ | What's a simple program that makes ogg's/mp3's from cd's? |
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| 16:50.15 | Sebulba02 | Saw^: grip |
| 16:50.20 | GoE | Saw^: It's a bit of an overkill, but K3B is very good at it (and uses CDDB) |
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| 16:50.38 | Saw^ | well I think both use cddb =) |
| 16:50.41 | GoE | but grip looks ugly, k3b looks sexy :) |
| 16:50.53 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 16:50.55 | Saw^ | I've used grip before, just didn't remember any names =] |
| 16:50.56 | scruffy | the cack monkeys at mplayerhq.hu need to visit w3.org. |
| 16:51.01 | Sebulba02 | haven't tried k3b |
| 16:51.02 | GoE | although K3B is a bit of an overkill, since it's primarily a cd writing app |
| 16:51.05 | Saw^ | thanks guys |
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| 16:51.28 | stever | howdy |
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| 16:51.57 | stever | anyone ever run syslog without running it as user root? |
| 16:53.31 | gwidion | Hello...I'd need some help to configure ide-scsi emulation uner a 2.6 kernel. |
| 16:53.37 | asg | stever: probably; any particular reason you don't want to? |
| 16:53.38 | stever | i have my www-data user running the syslog daemon (for reasons) and it works great, execpt when i tell it to get network syslogs (-r). i get a bind error (permission denied) when i run it, does anyone know what device is causing the problems? |
| 16:53.51 | asg | stever: have it bind to a port >1023 |
| 16:53.53 | mage | gwidion: you don't need scsi-emulation no more |
| 16:53.54 | stever | asg: it needs to be staopped and start4ed by the web server |
| 16:53.59 | stever | ahhhhh |
| 16:54.01 | RelDrgn | stever: only root can use ports below 1024 |
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| 16:54.21 | LarstiQ | stever: ehm, why? |
| 16:54.34 | stever | so then i will need to config all the hosts to send to ports above 1024 then |
| 16:54.34 | gwidion | mage - ok, but I didi not figure out how to burn cd s without it either. Which client (front end) should I try? |
| 16:54.40 | asg | stever: yes |
| 16:54.51 | mage | you need a new version of cdrecord |
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| 16:55.02 | asg | stever: or specifically the port >1023 that you bind syslogd to |
| 16:55.12 | WhirlAxe | in a tty console how do you prevent the cursor from blinking ? |
| 16:55.15 | stever | LarstiQ and all, it is for a box that I am making for clients, the interface relies heavily on www-data being able to move the logs, start/stop daemon etc. |
| 16:55.31 | asg | WhirlAxe: man setterm |
| 16:55.37 | LarstiQ | stever: it sounds wrong somehow :) |
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| 16:55.46 | stever | i know but i havent much time |
| 16:55.52 | LarstiQ | ah |
| 16:55.56 | stever | heh |
| 16:56.02 | gwidion | how new? |
| 16:56.08 | asg | stever: instead of that, you could use Unix groups + sudo |
| 16:56.13 | mage | the lastest |
| 16:56.29 | stever | out of curiousity, how would i go about letting other users bind to ports lower than 1023? |
| 16:56.32 | gwidion | UI mean, I think my cdrecord is ok. I cannot figure out the front-ends... I mean, I do not intend to feed cdrecord parans by hand. |
| 16:56.35 | mage | and use --device=atapi or something like this, check manual |
| 16:56.35 | WhirlAxe | asg: setterm -blink acts on the prompt, not on the small _ that follows your chars entry |
| 16:56.56 | motu | hmm, i did a dist-upgrade, now i dont have a ftp group anymore... and proftpd wont lets users connect - how to fix? |
| 16:57.00 | stever | i tried unix groups and put www-data in root wheel but still didnt work (ugly i konw) |
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| 16:57.10 | RelDrgn | WhirlAxe: be more specific |
| 16:57.16 | LarstiQ | stever: asg has a good suggestion |
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| 16:57.30 | asg | WhirlAxe: setterm -cursor off ? |
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| 16:57.36 | WhirlAxe | RelDrgn: i want the cursor not to blink but still be there |
| 16:57.41 | stever | sudo eh? i'll check into it thx! |
| 16:57.47 | asg | stever: I referenced groups in regards to moving logs etc. |
| 16:57.54 | WhirlAxe | asg but i wanna keep the cursor without the blink |
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| 16:58.26 | netbrain | why does my mp3 stop everytime there is harrdisk usage? |
| 16:58.43 | netbrain | then it starts again afterwards |
| 16:58.44 | gwidion | mage, maybe I could try this in gtoaster later on. But right now, I turned emulation back on. My problem is, I have a got a /dev/scd0, but somehow I feel like I should have a /dev/scsi/target*/lun*/cd ...How do I create this later device? |
| 16:58.44 | stever | i see, so it is sudo that will give the user permission or the binary permission? i am not that familiar with sudo or setuid |
| 16:58.44 | asg | WhirlAxe: hmmm, I don't know. Sorry. |
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| 16:58.56 | asg | netbrain: what kernel? |
| 16:58.59 | netbrain | 2.6.0 |
| 16:59.01 | asg | !tell helpmeh about root |
| 16:59.06 | WhirlAxe | netbrain: describe "my mp3" |
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| 16:59.17 | Covener | stever: the manpage has complex examples -- sets of users/groups permissions on arbitrary commands |
| 16:59.20 | netbrain | xmms playback |
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| 16:59.26 | stever | ty! |
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| 16:59.30 | netbrain | if that is correct english |
| 16:59.34 | WhirlAxe | you have low end pc ? |
| 16:59.41 | asg | netbrain: did you enable the preempt kernel patches? (also, for X issues, set the nice value to something other than -10) |
| 16:59.48 | Pryon | particularly bad disk controller? |
| 16:59.56 | Covener | netbrain: might want to try hdparm -u1 on the disk in question and see if it has any effect |
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| 16:59.58 | netbrain | asg: i don't think so.. |
| 17:00.14 | netbrain | Covener: yeh. that might be it. thanks |
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| 17:00.40 | Covener | netbrain: make sure dma is enabled as well, would make your system drag in general |
| 17:00.47 | asg | netbrain: iirc, there is an issue with X's niceness and the 2.6 kernel. /msg dpkg 2.6 help (for a link to issues) |
| 17:00.56 | stever | did a man on sudo and came up with nothing? |
| 17:01.05 | asg | stever: apt-get install sudo && man sudoers |
| 17:01.15 | stever | ty! |
| 17:01.40 | netbrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.52 | Covener | netbrain: ide chipset? |
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| 17:02.03 | roi | . |
| 17:02.04 | Covener | netbrain: or old/wacky drive maybe? |
| 17:02.05 | netbrain | kt600 |
| 17:02.08 | netbrain | i think.. |
| 17:02.11 | roi | ~tell roi set up x |
| 17:02.23 | asg | roi: you can also '/msg <bot> <factoid>' |
| 17:02.35 | netbrain | msi kt6 delta |
| 17:02.39 | roi | what's the bot's name? |
| 17:02.41 | roi | nick i mean. |
| 17:02.41 | netbrain | running chipset via kt600 |
| 17:02.49 | asg | roi: dpkg, apt, modconf |
| 17:03.05 | asg | roi: apt is a little flaky, dpkg is your best bet. |
| 17:03.22 | oskie | ravenbird is the bot's name |
| 17:03.24 | ravenbird | oskie: i haven't a clue |
| 17:03.30 | Covener | netbrain: you recompile your kernel by any chance and leave out the via-specific ide stuff? |
| 17:03.40 | asg | oskie: simonrvn's bot, though I don't know if he keeps up with the factoid database |
| 17:03.49 | oskie | asg: oh |
| 17:03.52 | netbrain | probably.. or maybe i just didnæt load the modules. |
| 17:04.09 | netbrain | i allmost tore my hair of just trying to get sound to work. |
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| 17:04.12 | asg | ravenbird: 2.6 help |
| 17:04.12 | ravenbird | asg: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:04.15 | asg | oskie: see |
| 17:04.26 | Covener | netbrain: I believe it's CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX |
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| 17:04.44 | ocZio^hm | Hi all, is there a file creation restriction for the chars ? I mean can I create a file with a name like this ".@]s!e/Pem^^é" ? :) |
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| 17:05.02 | netbrain | Covener: ill check the config file |
| 17:05.05 | oskie | ocZio^hm: slash (/) and nullbytes cannot be put in filenames |
| 17:05.21 | ocZio^hm | ok / for the dir, and null ? you mean \0 ? |
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| 17:05.40 | oskie | ocZio^hm: yeah... other than that, there are not restrictions... |
| 17:05.42 | ToreSB | Oh...just...great. |
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| 17:05.51 | netbrain | Covener: you were right.. |
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| 17:05.59 | netbrain | looks like im gonna reboot |
| 17:06.23 | ocZio^hm | kewl so any extended ascii will be ok like "%ööï||[{##~"" ? :) |
| 17:06.42 | roi | Guys, I need some help documents of setting up x, I always get some errors, I need some "guide" that refers to Geforce. |
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| 17:07.04 | asg | roi: /msg dpkg set up x (also, /msg dpkg nvidia) |
| 17:07.22 | roi | asg, I know. I've been using debconf as well |
| 17:07.26 | roi | always had errors. |
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| 17:07.35 | asg | roi: did you read the 'nvidia' factoid? |
| 17:08.01 | roi | asg, I'm reading it currently. |
| 17:08.06 | roi | asg, I hope its helpful |
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| 17:08.34 | ToreSB | Grandma threw out everything in my room |
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| 17:09.34 | ToreSB | http://tore.nortia.no/stuff/room2.jpg <- everything... |
| 17:10.26 | netbrain | what is not correctly chmodded when i the vol doesn't change when mving the vol slider in xmms? is it /dev/mixer? |
| 17:10.37 | phxhawke | i think i have that fish book here somewhere :) |
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| 17:11.17 | eeyore- | morning people! |
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| 17:11.34 | oskie | hey eeyore |
| 17:11.51 | phxhawke | ToreSB: oh, man that sucks man...(just hit me when you meant everything...) |
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| 17:12.18 | debian | eeyore-: this is darkness moment in the night you incensitve clod. :) |
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| 17:13.01 | da | my sound doesnt work but my audio driver detects my card using drivers soundcore sound uart401 ac97_codec via82cxxx_audio |
| 17:13.05 | sTone_heAd | incestitive |
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| 17:13.37 | ToreSB | phxhawke: Except the desk. |
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| 17:13.57 | ToreSB | phxhawke: Luckily, she didn't find my collection of antique software... |
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| 17:14.12 | phxhawke | ouch, and i mean, ouch! |
| 17:14.19 | debian | ToreSB: I found a 'Pong' game console in your room. :) |
| 17:14.30 | ToreSB | debian: ...It's not there anymore. |
| 17:14.41 | ToreSB | debian: It did give me much fun before that though :) |
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| 17:14.56 | debian | ToreSB: and an IBM 'PC' |
| 17:15.00 | roi | Guys, I forgot - what is the command to exit some text file in vi? |
| 17:15.03 | ToreSB | debian: ...no? |
| 17:15.08 | da | :q |
| 17:15.25 | debian | ToreSB: the one with two floppy drive? |
| 17:15.30 | roi | thanks da. |
| 17:15.34 | da | sure |
| 17:15.44 | da | vim-tutor might be a good idea |
| 17:15.46 | phxhawke | anyone know if there WILL be a 2.4.23 deb? |
| 17:15.47 | ToreSB | debian: There's a HP150 there though - could run some DOS programs... It had a touchscreen and was the first computer to take 3.22" floppies into commercial use |
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| 17:16.08 | phxhawke | 3.22"? |
| 17:16.15 | debian | ~tell phxhawke about kernel-2.4.23 |
| 17:16.36 | debian | ToreSB: a touchscreen back then. :O |
| 17:16.56 | debian | !tell phxhawke about kernel-2.4.23 |
| 17:16.58 | ToreSB | debian: I know - it was a pretty advanced machine for its time. Rare as hell. |
| 17:16.59 | zinx | debian: touch screens are simpler than they seem |
| 17:17.02 | mtnman | toressb: i used to have an hp150 on my desk in 1985 |
| 17:17.05 | debian | damn lagacy apt database |
| 17:17.16 | phxhawke | !tell phxhawke about kernel-2.4.23 |
| 17:17.31 | mage | ~stop |
| 17:17.33 | debian | zinx: the point is that they've no market value in pc market. |
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| 17:17.44 | debian | zinx: s/ve/had |
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| 17:18.16 | mtnman | toresb: had the hp150, an hp110, and a terminal to the mpe machine on my desk in 1985 |
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| 17:18.22 | ToreSB | mtnman: Wow - they're nice, eh? GNUPLOT still can talk to it - I've graphed eth0 traffic :) |
| 17:18.32 | phxhawke | oh well, no official ones then. at least i dont have to install 2.6.x yet :) |
| 17:19.04 | mtnman | toresb: i haven't looked at a 150 since 1986, though i still have a 110. |
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| 17:19.06 | gwidion | Just did it...And am her4e now to face the headeaches, phxhawke |
| 17:19.14 | da | can anyone help me get my sound working? my card is detected by the audio driver but no sound as yet |
| 17:19.33 | debian | phxhawke: I think the source can be trusted |
| 17:19.42 | mtnman | da: have you opened a mixer to check your levels? |
| 17:19.53 | da | no mixers |
| 17:19.53 | debian | da: are you in audio ground? |
| 17:19.57 | debian | group even |
| 17:20.05 | beta3 | herbert has 2.6 in his private repo |
| 17:20.12 | da | recommended mixer? |
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| 17:20.20 | mtnman | da: apt-get install aumix or similar. adduser [yourusername] audio. |
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| 17:20.55 | mtnman | da: note that changes to groups take effect on your next login. |
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| 17:21.06 | phxhawke | now, once i have the sucker on my drive i can upload it to my firewall as well :) |
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| 17:21.18 | da | aumix says aumix: error opening mixer |
| 17:21.22 | bghfhfg | Is there a Debian GameBoy Advance emulator? |
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| 17:21.32 | phxhawke | gwidion: did you install 2.6? |
| 17:21.36 | mtnman | da: are you a member of the audio group? |
| 17:21.39 | gwidion | yes. |
| 17:21.43 | da | nvm |
| 17:21.49 | da | forgot to relogin |
| 17:21.50 | bghfhfg | What? |
| 17:21.51 | phxhawke | gwidion: how is it so far? |
| 17:22.02 | da | levels are normal |
| 17:22.15 | gwidion | Just working fine...My system is upo to date, so I could not feel any performance increases... |
| 17:22.24 | gwidion | I am j7st having an issue with the cdwriter. |
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| 17:22.31 | mtnman | da: what app are you running to test audio output? |
| 17:22.45 | phxhawke | what kind of issue? |
| 17:22.45 | da | ive tried mpg123 xmms |
| 17:22.55 | phxhawke | and what kind of cd-writer? |
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| 17:23.12 | mtnman | da: i use "saytime" to check audio output since it is a very simple program. |
| 17:23.16 | da | or rather mpg321 |
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| 17:24.04 | mtnman | da: it may sound silly, but check your speaker cabling. be sure it is plugged into the correct jack on the soundcard. |
| 17:24.19 | TGM | how do you execute a file if you aren't in that directory, i tried ./home/me/rcfirewall.txt but it doesn't work |
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| 17:24.30 | da | yea ive just connected it recently |
| 17:24.33 | rsx | you cant execute a text file |
| 17:24.35 | da | i made sure it was right |
| 17:24.42 | TGM | uh |
| 17:24.43 | phxhawke | TGM: make sure that it has exec permissions |
| 17:24.46 | ocZio^hm | TGM remove '.' and chmod +x it |
| 17:24.47 | TGM | it does |
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| 17:24.58 | TGM | i use it a lot |
| 17:24.58 | paulproteus|lapt | I get "User is not authorized to run X server". I don't know how to make him authorized. |
| 17:25.10 | da | sox: Unable to set audio speed to 8000 (set to 48000) |
| 17:25.14 | TGM | do i have to give my directory X maybe? |
| 17:25.17 | da | a newline and thats all it does |
| 17:25.19 | da | doesnt close |
| 17:25.24 | frodo | audioctl |
| 17:25.33 | da | and doesnt say the time either |
| 17:25.35 | phxhawke | TGM: no, just the file |
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| 17:25.46 | mtnman | da: what app gave you that output? |
| 17:25.49 | gwidion | <phxhawke> and LG cdwriter. I know that atapi cd writing should owork. However, I intend to use front end prograns such as gtoaster and k3b ...So I am trying to switch scsi emulation back on. |
| 17:25.52 | da | saytime |
| 17:25.57 | ocZio^hm | TGM ? :/ without '.' should work /home/me/firewall.txt |
| 17:25.59 | TGM | phxhawke: it does |
| 17:26.00 | paulproteus|lapt | Does anyone know how to make a user authorized to start an X server? dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common doesn't help. |
| 17:26.04 | TGM | oh ok |
| 17:26.07 | TGM | lemme try without the . |
| 17:26.13 | gwidion | But the new devfs disconfgiured my ide-scsi setting and a I am unable to access my cdrom. |
| 17:26.13 | mtnman | da: what sound driver are you running? |
| 17:26.16 | Covener | paulproteus|lapt: Xwrapper.config |
| 17:26.23 | da | via82cxxx_audio |
| 17:26.26 | TGM | yep |
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| 17:26.33 | TGM | thanks ocZio |
| 17:26.34 | da | it also locks speed at 48000 |
| 17:26.38 | da | in dmesg |
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| 17:26.39 | ocZio^hm | yw |
| 17:26.39 | mtnman | da: i'm not familiar with that driver. |
| 17:26.54 | da | mtnman: neither am i |
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| 17:27.03 | paulproteus|lapt | Covener: Thanks, I'm checking it out now. |
| 17:27.06 | mtnman | da: perhaps google will enlighten. |
| 17:27.14 | phxhawke | gwidion: hmm, well i wont have to worry about the ide-scsi then, i only have 2 ide harddrives and the rest is scsi :) |
| 17:28.17 | as13 | how to make system not toask for login? |
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| 17:28.33 | Covener | asl3: i know kde has an option for that in the kdm config |
| 17:28.35 | gwidion | heh...just go in 2.6 them... |
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| 17:28.51 | phxhawke | gwidion: need the compiler :) |
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| 17:29.16 | as13 | Covener in console |
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| 17:29.30 | karsten | What's listmaster@debian.org's name these days? Pascal? |
| 17:29.31 | gwidion | Hah...I got a read made package. I am a desktop user, would not risk setting up kernel compile options. |
| 17:30.21 | phxhawke | gwidion: bah, no adventure in that >;) |
| 17:30.35 | Covener | asl3: maybe change your inittab to give getty some extra parameters? like telling it to run bash as your login program instead of login |
| 17:31.06 | paulproteus|lapt | Xwrapper.config says "allowed_users=console". I'm trying to have the user "mythtv" (with id 105) start X. |
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| 17:31.27 | gwidion | I do not want adventure. I just wnat to use my computer. |
| 17:31.48 | phxhawke | paulproteus|lapt: startx doesn't work? |
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| 17:32.02 | Covener | paulproteus|lapt: manpage for Xwrapper.config (allowed entrys rootonly,console,anybody) |
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| 17:32.40 | paulproteus|lapt | Covener: Thanks. |
| 17:32.54 | RelDrgn | paulproteus|lapt: if mythtv is logged into the console, then mythtv can start x |
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| 17:33.30 | paulproteus|lapt | RelDrgn: Ah, I see. |
| 17:33.44 | roi | guys, I've setted up xserver, but when I'm trying to get it runnig(startx) the only error i get is: No devices detected", I have geforce. |
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| 17:33.51 | RelDrgn | or you can change the config to "anybody" |
| 17:34.06 | Covener | roi: using open driver or binary? |
| 17:34.17 | RelDrgn | roi: run "XFree86 -configure" and follow its instrucitons. Whatever program you used screwed up |
| 17:34.33 | roi | RelDrgn, I've been using debconf. |
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| 17:35.55 | paulproteus|lapt | RelDrgn: apt-get install discover |
| 17:35.56 | paulproteus|lapt | ;) |
| 17:36.17 | treke | -configure has almost never worked for me :) |
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| 17:36.35 | Covener | sles8 and rhel as 2.1 both did real well on generating an X11 config at work |
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| 17:36.49 | bpence | the problem with -configure is that X has to already be configured somewhat properly to use it |
| 17:36.50 | treke | usually resulted in a locked up system |
| 17:36.51 | roi | RelDrgn, the "XFree86 -configure" doesn't seem to be working, it seems it loads x and that's it.. |
| 17:36.55 | RelDrgn | configure has never not worked for me ;P i know some of the stuff (like getting the refresh rates from the monitor) requires very modern hardware |
| 17:37.11 | RelDrgn | roi: what version of X are you using? |
| 17:37.23 | roi | RelDrgn, command me? |
| 17:37.26 | Covener | reldrgn: i think getting the monitor id is easier and they maintain tables |
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| 17:38.36 | roi | RelDrgn, I mean, how do i check which x version i am using |
| 17:38.57 | Covener | roi: shoul be at the top of the logs you've been reading to debug your problem |
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| 17:39.53 | roi | I'm running 4.1.0.1 |
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| 17:40.02 | treke | anyone had a problem with the debian installer snapshots from http://www.soziologie.ch/~steinlin/d-i/? I can get up to the point where the kernel should get installed, but it just silently fails. |
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| 17:40.29 | streuner_ | treke: /j #debian-boot |
| 17:40.43 | treke | gracias |
| 17:40.46 | RelDrgn | hm, then -configure should have told you it created a XF86Config.new file and thatyou need to fill in the mouse, and to use this command to test the config file before installing it |
| 17:41.13 | hyksos | hi, is there anywhere a simple gui-tool to make a running app to app with highest priority? |
| 17:41.31 | lordons | i have a sound card audigy 2 but it doesn't work |
| 17:41.53 | lordons | i ve kernel 2.4.18 bf24 |
| 17:42.02 | RelDrgn | lordons: I know the original audigy will work with ALSA |
| 17:42.17 | karsten | hyksos: various GUI top tools. |
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| 17:42.33 | karsten | phxhawke: 'lspci' or 'lshw' |
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| 17:42.35 | roi | RelDrgn, what do you mean by that? that I should edit the new XF86Config manually? |
| 17:42.36 | hyksos | karsten :? |
| 17:42.39 | RelDrgn | hyksos: .... thats a oneliner command with "nice". Also, you have to be root to improve the priorit of an app |
| 17:42.50 | karsten | hyksos: You're familiar with 'top'? |
| 17:42.56 | hyksos | karsten :yes |
| 17:43.06 | karsten | hyksos: There are various GUIfied 'top' tools. For eg: KDE & GNOME. |
| 17:43.07 | lordons | RelDrgn, with kernel 2.4.22 o 2.4.18? |
| 17:43.25 | hyksos | karsten :but with top i cant set priority |
| 17:43.30 | phxhawke | karsten: audigy rev 3 |
| 17:43.34 | RelDrgn | roi: it will tell you what it did not detect (usually the mouse, though sometimes it gets the mouse ) and you follow the directions it spits out ot add whatever to the file |
| 17:43.57 | treke | hyksos: GNOME has one, kde probably does also |
| 17:44.02 | karsten | hyksos: Yes you can. 'nice'. |
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| 17:44.14 | karsten | hyksos: Only root can *increase* process priority though. |
| 17:44.28 | RelDrgn | lordons: ALSA is sperate from tdh kerenl (until 2.6) |
| 17:44.29 | roi | RelDrgn, how do i open the "file" and follow the directions? |
| 17:44.44 | karsten | phxhawke: OK. What next? |
| 17:44.55 | lordons | RelDrgn, but how can i install alsa? |
| 17:45.07 | RelDrgn | lordons: www.alsa-project.org |
| 17:45.41 | phxhawke | karsten: audigy midi port and audigy firewire |
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| 17:45.52 | lordons | yes i downloaded driver and library but the sound card doesn't work |
| 17:46.07 | bonez39 | is there an analogous application for linux similar to Naturally Speaking or Via Voice? for voice recognition? |
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| 17:46.23 | hyksos | karsten :and start a tool with nice as normal-user isnt working |
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| 17:46.31 | RelDrgn | lordons: did you install the driver? are you running the driver? and like I said, did you check alsa's page to see if the audigy 2 is even supported? |
| 17:46.40 | phxhawke | lordons: you need to make sure that the volume is actually up. by default it usually leaves the volume at 0 |
| 17:47.11 | RelDrgn | bonez39: there used to be a linux version of one, but I don't know what happened to it |
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| 17:47.20 | lordons | phxhawke, the card doesn't work no volume |
| 17:47.35 | karsten | phxhawke: I don't know configuration on that specific card. But if you're going to try configuring it, "I think it is..." doesn't do you much. "I know it is..." does. |
| 17:47.39 | karsten | ~tell phxhawke about sound |
| 17:47.41 | RelDrgn | roi: look, when you ran XFree86 -conifgure, it should have said something like " |
| 17:47.42 | coolnewbie | how do i give rw permission for a ext2 drive for an user other than root |
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| 17:48.00 | karsten | hyksos: WTF are you trying to do? |
| 17:48.00 | Covener | coolnewbie: maybe disk group and check the permissions on the device node |
| 17:48.11 | karsten | ~tell phxhawke about audio |
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| 17:48.22 | bonez39 | RelDrgn: any ideas on where to search? |
| 17:48.22 | RelDrgn | "Your XF86Config file is /root/XF86Config.new" and then listed things that it couldn't tdetect: "XFree86 is not able to detect your mouse. Edit the file and correct the Device." |
| 17:48.30 | Covener | coolnewbie: sorry, put your user in the 'disk' group and make sure the device is owned by groupd isk and writable by group |
| 17:48.36 | bonez39 | what's that apt site..repository of software? |
| 17:48.39 | karsten | phxhawke: Hrm... nevermind. apt apparently forgot a lot. |
| 17:48.41 | RelDrgn | and then finally "To test the server, run 'XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new'" |
| 17:48.57 | RelDrgn | did it not tell you this? |
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| 17:48.59 | hyksos | karsten :i try to setup realplayer with the highest priority for livestreams, so that i can always watch and work a little (slow) bit |
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| 17:49.07 | phxhawke | karsten: oh, i have it working, it's using the emu10k1 driver :) |
| 17:49.20 | roi | RelDrgn, no - it didn't. it tries to load up x, and then shows the errors |
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| 17:49.44 | RelDrgn | roi: then are you dead certain you're using X 4.1.0.1 and that you don't have both 3 and 4 installed togetehr or something? |
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| 17:50.04 | coolnewbie | covener:wouldnt that all the disks includinf root accesable i need only a purticular drive to be RW enabled |
| 17:50.17 | coolnewbie | covener:wouldnt that make all the disks includinf root accesable i need only a purticular drive to be RW enabled |
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| 17:51.02 | Joona--- | How do I edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 17:51.12 | Joona--- | I need to add a mirror there.. |
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| 17:51.37 | RelDrgn | joona: typically with a text editor. |
| 17:51.44 | TGM | What is ipmasq-kmod? i uninstalled ipmasq but this is still in my /etc/init.d folder |
| 17:51.57 | phxhawke | the only quirk i noticed was that artsd decided to drop off the sound or just scramble the sound outright. be that was about a week into running it. after that i have not heard any audio problems. |
| 17:52.13 | coolnewbie | joona:you can use the cmd vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:52.44 | RelDrgn | tgm: its probably a script that oads the various ipmasq modules. Try dpkg --purge packagename to remove all that cruft |
| 17:53.05 | Joona--- | RelDrgn, I haven't got anything working yet. I need to add a mirror to sources.list so I can download and install hotplug to get my usb mouse work.. |
| 17:53.05 | roi | RelDrgn, it writes to me: XFree86 has found a vaild card configuration. Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. Please forward scanpci -v output to XFree86 support team |
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| 17:53.19 | RelDrgn | roi: which geforce is this? |
| 17:53.31 | soleil | so which of the 7 woody cd's that i downloaded do i actually need for install |
| 17:53.38 | roi | RelDrgn, Geforce4 mx 440 with AGP |
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| 17:53.56 | RelDrgn | roi: weird, thats exactly what I'm using right now. |
| 17:53.56 | streuner | TGM: usually the scripts in /etc/init.d/ aren't removed, only the runlevel-link, so it has no effect at all. |
| 17:53.57 | nk_ | again me and my burning problems... anyone could tell me a good burning suite for debian? I need to burn vcd's and audio cds... |
| 17:54.04 | knoppix | yo |
| 17:54.07 | nk_ | xcdroast sucks on those functions... |
| 17:54.10 | RelDrgn | roi: try nvidia's drivers then, from www.nvidia.com |
| 17:54.16 | coolnewbie | joona:you can use apt-setup |
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| 17:54.42 | RelDrgn | roi: (you probably want the second ot the most recent driver, /. says people have been having problems wiht the most recent in certain setups) |
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| 17:55.06 | roi | RelDrgn, I did the "/msg dpkg nvidia" shit.. and at nvidia.com I don't know what to choose for linux. and I don't have x, so how the fuck can i surf and download? |
| 17:55.37 | Nilbus | Processes aren't responding to a SIGTSTP (20) after I close the terminal they were started from. Is there a way I can get around that? |
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| 17:56.14 | nk_ | hey hoh, anyone? |
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| 17:56.18 | RelDrgn | roi: links ;) also, at least in sid, there are packages that download and install the drivers for you, try apt-get install nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx, and read their directions |
| 17:57.21 | roi | RelDrgn, I did install nvidia-glx-src, and i couldn't install nvidia-kernel-src |
| 17:57.28 | RelDrgn | Nilbus: well, in order for a process to live beyond its terminal it has to either fork twice and reparent to init, ignore signals, or be disowned by the shell. Guess which one that process chose to do ;) |
| 17:57.36 | RelDrgn | roi: why couldn't you? |
| 17:58.44 | Nilbus | RelDrgn: ignore signals. That's something that could be hacked then, couldn't it. |
| 17:59.29 | RelDrgn | Nilbus: well, you could use a signal that can't be ignored or caught, like -9. but then you wouldn't be able to do anything in that process like clean up or anything, it would just die |
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| 18:00.27 | roi | RelDrgn, well, first of all, "apt-get install nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx" has no installation candidate, and when i try to install "nvidia-kernel-src" it says: Sorry, nvidia-kernel-src is already the newest version |
| 18:01.01 | RelDrgn | roi: hm, the package names are diffrent in sid then :P |
| 18:01.03 | simonrvn | someone ask for me? |
| 18:01.22 | roi | Reldrgn, what the heck sid is? |
| 18:01.32 | RelDrgn | roi: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-src it installed the source somewhere (/usr/src/nvidia-kernel/) |
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| 18:01.40 | RelDrgn | roi: unstable version of debian |
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| 18:02.02 | RelDrgn | whoops, file listing is -L |
| 18:02.10 | roi | RelDrgn, and I'm having whatsoever sid? |
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| 18:02.33 | RelDrgn | roi: you're probably on woody (stable version) if you've got 4.1.0.1 |
| 18:02.45 | soleil | how can i use a custom kernel for the install? |
| 18:02.55 | simonrvn | !find xserver-xfree86 woody |
| 18:02.58 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.1.0-16woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 4233 kB, Installed size: 12228 kB |
| 18:02.59 | RelDrgn | soleil: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 18:03.13 | soleil | RelDrgn, thanks! |
| 18:03.57 | nk_ | mh... testing is sid? |
| 18:04.00 | simonrvn | no |
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| 18:04.08 | nk_ | so testing is sarge? |
| 18:04.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:04.11 | RelDrgn | testing is sarge |
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| 18:04.29 | nk_ | ah ok... stable = woody, testing = sarge and probably unstable sid then... thx |
| 18:04.45 | simonrvn | yes. and sid will NEVER release |
| 18:04.49 | interoz | what is | in english math? |
| 18:04.51 | soleil | RelDrgn, what if i dont have debian available already? |
| 18:04.57 | RelDrgn | sid will always be sid. |
| 18:05.07 | nox- | interoz or |
| 18:05.10 | RelDrgn | soleil: nf, thatsalways bothered me too ;) |
| 18:05.31 | simonrvn | RelDrgn: because sid is always a bad boy |
| 18:05.41 | RelDrgn | soleil: if you have *any* linux, you can download the .deb and extract it using "ar" |
| 18:05.42 | interoz | nox-: nope, i mean " for every x | x<0 " |
| 18:05.45 | roi | RelDrgn, "dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-src" - "dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-src (--install): Cannot access archive; no such file or directory. Erros were encountered while processing. Dude, I'm sick of it, I'm having every single fucking problem there could be in X |
| 18:05.48 | nk_ | how do you mean that, sid stays sid... aren't there packages that get from sid to sarge and finally to woody? |
| 18:06.00 | simonrvn | nk_: no |
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| 18:06.01 | RelDrgn | roi: thats why I said whoops, -L is file listing |
| 18:06.15 | simonrvn | nk_: woody doesn't get new stuff. only security updates |
| 18:06.19 | RelDrgn | roi: that installed the source stuff, you need to see where it installed it to, and compile it |
| 18:06.19 | soleil | hmmm. |
| 18:06.32 | nox- | interoz ah. for every x where x < 0, i think |
| 18:06.34 | motu | how does uid/gid work? |
| 18:06.38 | simonrvn | nk_: sarge only gets stuff from sid that have no rc bugs. |
| 18:06.41 | RelDrgn | roi: (also try /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-src) |
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| 18:07.01 | interoz | nox-: so you read it just as 'where'? |
| 18:07.12 | RelDrgn | formally I believe that usage translates to "given that" |
| 18:07.24 | nk_ | simonrvn: hm...ah, I see. therefore I am outdated of so much versions... guess I'll leave stable on my servers but on my workstation I should upgrade to sarge... changing my sources.list the "stable" entries with "testing", apt-get update and apt-get upgrade should give me a clean sarge-system, shouldn't it? |
| 18:07.28 | nox- | interoz i would, but english isnt my 1st language so... |
| 18:07.29 | soleil | Is gnome2.4 in stable? (packages.debian.org is down) |
| 18:07.36 | oskie | my "Linux 2.6.0 + VMware" christmas project has official failed. |
| 18:07.40 | interoz | nox-: ta |
| 18:07.57 | simonrvn | nk_: might have to run a couple of times, but eventually yes |
| 18:08.04 | Nilbus | RelDrgn: Is the fact that the process is ignoring signals controlled by the process itself? or the OS? |
| 18:08.09 | lowcrash | oskie: why? |
| 18:08.14 | simonrvn | nk_: sid is safer, though. updates are daily |
| 18:08.17 | RelDrgn | Nilbus: process itself. |
| 18:08.26 | simonrvn | or near daily |
| 18:08.29 | nk_ | simonrvn: mh... so you wouldn't advice me to do so? sid is safer? |
| 18:08.30 | oskie | lowcrash: programs (init, bash, etc) segfault randomly ... |
| 18:08.47 | ^Th3Dud3^ | I just wondered if anyone knows an approximate date when Debian 3.1 `Sarge' is expected? january? feb? 2005? |
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| 18:09.06 | RelDrgn | nk: sarge doesn't get any updates (even security ones) unless they've been "working" in sid for a while. |
| 18:09.08 | simonrvn | nk_: safer = security updates. sarge isn't getting any such things. security updates in sid are marked priority=high |
| 18:09.23 | stever | still got some questions about sudo |
| 18:09.23 | simonrvn | what RelDrgn said |
| 18:09.34 | nk_ | ah I see... but the source-code isn't that stable in sid... |
| 18:09.37 | roi | RelDrgn, what the heck am I looking for? at nvidia-kernel-src I only have Readme.debian, changelog.debian.gz and copyright, however, at /usr/src i'm having nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz, sorry for being stupid, because just now i got it.. i need to compile the tar.gz, ta. |
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| 18:09.42 | RelDrgn | which of course means that sid gets the packages that don't work |
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| 18:09.56 | stever | can someone tell me if my sudoers file is correct? |
| 18:09.56 | RelDrgn | roi: read Readme.debian |
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| 18:10.16 | fatal__ | aren't there a testing repo on security.debian.org these days? |
| 18:10.20 | lazarus | stever: man 5 sudoers |
| 18:10.21 | oskie | roi: cd /usr/src ; tar xvfz nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz ; cd linux-2.x.xx ; fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image ; cd .. ; dpkg -i *.deb |
| 18:10.31 | hyksos | the curios is that my music-livestream with xmms is running all the time without a millisecond of stopping, but all other apps ,stopping or working very very slow, what's the secret of xmms? i also tested a slow-realplayer livestream, 150kbps as fast as the 128kbps music-stream,but the movie stream stops while doing other things |
| 18:10.32 | roi | RelDrgn - I did. /msg dpkg nvidia, it's all there.. |
| 18:10.33 | bpence | I get this error when X exits, what's it mean? |
| 18:10.33 | bpence | deallocvt: error while loading shared libraries: libconsole.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.09 | oskie | bpence: apt-get install libconsole fixes that |
| 18:11.12 | stever | lazarus: i did that but a few things still arent clear |
| 18:11.19 | lazarus | stever: such as? |
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| 18:12.06 | bpence | oskie: thanks |
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| 18:12.25 | stever | specifiying that the user run as root in the "NAME" field, here is my sudoers file, hope i dont get kicked for spamming |
| 18:12.28 | stever | Host_Alias LOCAL=stalwart |
| 18:12.28 | stever | User_Alias USERS=www-data |
| 18:12.28 | stever | Runas_Alias ROOT=root |
| 18:12.28 | stever | Cmnd_Alias LOGGER_START=/etc/init.d_old/sysklogd start |
| 18:12.28 | stever | Cmnd_Alias LOGGER_STOP=/etc/init.d_old/sysklogd stop |
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| 18:12.31 | RelDrgn | roi: right. so in that readme.debian there are instructins on how to compile that |
| 18:12.35 | roi | oskie, what should be instead of the 2.x.xx? I mean, how do i check? |
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| 18:12.57 | stever | hate it when that happens :-) |
| 18:12.58 | bpence | I get this error also while X is running. Any ideas? KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt! |
| 18:13.04 | bpence | I get it a bunch of times. |
| 18:13.29 | stever | ive setup a host file directive Host_Alias LOCAL=stalwart |
| 18:13.30 | oskie | roi: in order to use the nvidia-kernel-src module , you probably need to compile a kernel of your own... so you should have some directory /usr/src/linux-2.x.xx .. see the manpage for make-kpkg in the package kernel-package |
| 18:13.35 | bpence | oskie: thanks, that libconsole did fix it. |
| 18:13.41 | stever | got my user aliases |
| 18:13.43 | stever | User_Alias USERS=www-data |
| 18:13.57 | stever | run as alias |
| 18:13.59 | stever | Runas_Alias ROOT=root |
| 18:14.00 | oskie | bpence: no problem ... someone must've screwed up the console packages :) |
| 18:14.12 | stever | my command |
| 18:14.14 | stever | Cmnd_Alias LOGGER_START=/etc/init.d_old/sysklogd start |
| 18:14.27 | stever | but this one is the one that I cant figure |
| 18:14.27 | bpence | oskie: well, I'm sure that someone is me.. I keep trying to get the most current stuff on here, but it seems like each time I install a new package, it messes up another one |
| 18:14.30 | stever | USERS LOCAL=LOGGER_START,LOGGER_STOP |
| 18:14.40 | oskie | bpence: no, not you, the debian maintainers.. i have the same problem |
| 18:15.00 | bpence | oskie: WOW! you mean for once, I wasn't the one that screwed up! WOO HOO! |
| 18:15.02 | stever | how do i tell it that USERS should run LOGGER_START as ROOT? |
| 18:15.07 | bpence | =) |
| 18:15.07 | roi | oskie, I don't have anything like linux-2.x.xx |
| 18:15.08 | oskie | bpence: hehe.. :) actually the bug is here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=225064 |
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| 18:16.07 | bpence | oskie: you dont have any idea about that other error I just posted do you? |
| 18:16.12 | stever | would it be like this? USERS LOCAL(ROOT)=LOGGER_START,LOGGER_STOP |
| 18:16.15 | oskie | roi: then get kernel sources from some kernel mirror (ftp.yourcountrycode.kernel.org), unpack it in /usr/src, cd linux-x.xx.x ; make menuconfig ; fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 18:16.30 | interoz | roi: uname -r |
| 18:16.46 | oskie | bpence: what error is that? |
| 18:16.46 | tempo_ | is there an application that creates or transform .docs to pdf files? |
| 18:16.57 | bpence | KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt! |
| 18:17.07 | bpence | oskie: I get it like 10-20 times while X is running |
| 18:17.14 | Mave | tempo_: openoffice.org can transform docs to pdf |
| 18:17.17 | oskie | tempo_: .docs as in microsoft word? doubt it ... there's ps2pdf/pstopdf and assorted tools though.. |
| 18:17.18 | TGM | How do you create a symlink? |
| 18:17.25 | RelDrgn | bpence: sounds like KDE's theme is corrupt |
| 18:17.29 | oskie | bpence: hmm weird... i don't know (i don't use KDE) |
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| 18:17.39 | stever | lazarus: does this look right? >>>> USERS LOCAL(ROOT)=LOGGER_START,LOGGER_STOP |
| 18:17.45 | oskie | Mave: it can? nice... |
| 18:17.48 | bpence | RelDrgn: well, yeah, but KDE loads fine with all it's colors and everything. |
| 18:18.00 | bpence | oskie: well, figured I'd ask ya, just in case =) |
| 18:18.13 | bpence | RedDrgn: can it be corrupt and still work? |
| 18:18.30 | Mave | oskie: version 1.1 has a button to convert. older versions had a pdf-writer printer |
| 18:18.37 | RelDrgn | bpence: could be some sounds or something that didnt load... |
| 18:18.38 | tempo_ | oskie, how do i create a ps file? |
| 18:18.50 | RelDrgn | bpence: or it could be not corrupt at all, and just "seem" that way ;) |
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| 18:19.09 | RelDrgn | (maybe some theme for a different version of KDE or something? |
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| 18:19.27 | oskie | tempo_: not sure... there are tools to convert text files and other files to PS (postscript)... and most web browsers can transform html pages to PS.. but your best bet is probably OpenOffice |
| 18:19.33 | bpence | RelDrgn: well, that narrows it down at least =) lol. How can I figure out exactly what is messed up? does KDE have an error log or anything, or does it just go to the XFree86.0.log? |
| 18:19.52 | tempo_ | oskie, ok. thanks |
| 18:20.05 | coolnewbie | if i add a user to group disk will he have access to all mounted file systems |
| 18:20.43 | RelDrgn | no idea, I don't use KDE ;) |
| 18:21.00 | oskie | coolnewbie: no, he won't |
| 18:21.01 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: no, he will have access tothe devices themselves. |
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| 18:21.06 | matte | hey |
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| 18:21.12 | bpence | RelDrgn: well, once again, I guess it doesn't hurt to ask, right? lol |
| 18:21.26 | matte | what's the adres for x-windows site? |
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| 18:21.42 | cupis | matte: xfree86.org ? |
| 18:21.48 | matte | thanks |
| 18:21.53 | RelDrgn | matte: which X site? |
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| 18:22.29 | fatal__ | is it a spelling error in DSA 403 or does 2.4.18-14 i386 package really exist? |
| 18:22.36 | roi | oskie, that's fucking a lot to compile a kernel of your own.. |
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| 18:23.15 | RelDrgn | oskie: if you've never installed any of the tools to compile anything, then you've got a lot to catch up on |
| 18:23.37 | coolnewbie | RelDrgn:then what would happen,i want give a user RW access to a single ext2 partition |
| 18:23.40 | roi | lazarus, I've seen that, it's a lot to do |
| 18:23.46 | lazarus | roi: no |
| 18:23.49 | oskie | well, thank you lazarus :) |
| 18:23.59 | lazarus | roi: install some app and read the docs? you can't handle that? |
| 18:24.08 | lazarus | roi: you don't belong on linux then |
| 18:24.26 | roi | lazarus, i'm capable of doing that, but im lazy. |
| 18:24.32 | oskie | at least not on debian, unfortunately |
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| 18:24.34 | lazarus | roi: then you don't belong on linux |
| 18:24.47 | oskie | lazarus: don't say that |
| 18:24.51 | lazarus | roi: we are not here to read the docs for you |
| 18:24.53 | roi | lazarus, nah, i do. |
| 18:25.02 | lazarus | roi: learn to read, ,bye |
| 18:25.04 | oskie | lazarus: linux should be for the lazy too, though |
| 18:25.09 | lazarus | oskie: bullshit |
| 18:25.10 | roi | lazarus, no one asked you to read the docs for me. |
| 18:25.26 | lazarus | oskie: if someone can't rtfm, they should go elsewhere |
| 18:25.27 | oskie | lazarus: yeah it should, only you and I aren't going to help them |
| 18:25.41 | lazarus | oskie: there's plenty of os for the clueless |
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| 18:25.50 | oskie | lazarus: but none as good as linux |
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| 18:25.56 | lazarus | oskie: they can buy a mac |
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| 18:26.09 | oskie | lazarus: no, they'd be zealots |
| 18:26.11 | roi | lazarus, jeez, agrassive helpers, yey. |
| 18:26.16 | gp | hello lazarus |
| 18:26.20 | lazarus | gp: hello |
| 18:26.34 | fiber | hello... i just tried installing debian but i wasn't able to install any packages. my PCMCIA networking adapter doesn't work (although it's "ON") and neither does my cd-rom so i don't know what to do... could someone please help |
| 18:26.36 | lazarus | roi: we aren't here to read your fucking docs for you |
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| 18:27.05 | roi | lazarus, Quote me, i want to see when i asked for someone to read the docs for me |
| 18:27.10 | paulswm | lazarus: at least roi wasn't so lazy he wouldn't google for the xfree web site like someone else here just now |
| 18:27.11 | coolnewbie | fiber:did you try mounting the cdrom |
| 18:27.18 | lazarus | roi: 18:24 <roi> lazarus, i'm capable of doing that, but im lazy. |
| 18:27.20 | roi | lazarus, you understand the things to how you want em to be |
| 18:27.21 | lazarus | 18:23 <lazarus> roi: install some app and read the docs? you can't handle that? |
| 18:27.35 | lazarus | roi: so go read, bye |
| 18:27.37 | roi | lazarus, did i ACTUALLY said i need you to read the docs? |
| 18:27.44 | lazarus | roi: so go read, bye |
| 18:27.44 | fiber | coolnewbie: unknown device /dev/hdc1 |
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| 18:28.17 | fiber | coolnewbie: although dmesg has hdc, but with a DriveReady SeekComplete Error |
| 18:28.17 | danilo_ | hi, i want to install a mail server some help? |
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| 18:28.40 | lazarus | danilo_: Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
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| 18:28.59 | legolas | hellp people! a ot of users here. |
| 18:29.08 | legolas | is there a channel for 68k-users only? |
| 18:29.10 | coolnewbie | fiber:try ths mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 18:29.33 | lazarus | legolas: #mk-linux ? |
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| 18:29.52 | matte | anyone might know how to solve a lil problem with the dirs when i try to startx, it says the /usr/bin/X11/X doesn't exist |
| 18:30.06 | fiber | coolnewbie: i'm getting ATAPI errors |
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| 18:30.19 | roi | could someone direct point me to a linux kernel source archive? |
| 18:30.22 | fiber | coolnewbie: then it sais "cdrom: open failed" and "mount: no medium found" |
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| 18:30.45 | lazarus | legolas: #debian-ppc64 |
| 18:30.50 | lazarus | legolas: #mklinux |
| 18:31.03 | coolnewbie | lazarus:i want give a user RW access to a single ext2 partition what should i do |
| 18:31.10 | paulswm | fiber: have you got a disk in the cdrom |
| 18:31.13 | legolas | lazarus: those are ppc! |
| 18:31.13 | lazarus | roi: ftp.fi.kernel.org |
| 18:31.33 | lazarus | coolnewbie: ONLY that partition? |
| 18:31.43 | coolnewbie | lazarus:yes |
| 18:31.49 | lazarus | coolnewbie: or in addition to the rest? |
| 18:31.57 | lazarus | coolnewbie: you can't |
| 18:32.01 | legolas | anyway my problem is that I updated and now X doesn't start anymore giving a load of broken references... |
| 18:32.20 | coolnewbie | lazarus:in addition to the rest |
| 18:32.23 | lazarus | coolnewbie: if he can't read /bin or /usr/lib ... how can he run apps? if he can't read /etc ... |
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| 18:33.12 | coolnewbie | lazarus:in addition to the rest, imeant one more ext2 partion |
| 18:33.29 | lazarus | coolnewbie: create a group, man chgrp, man chmod, man vigr |
| 18:33.52 | lazarus | coolnewbie: do as appropriate, then add that user to the group and relog |
| 18:34.45 | lazarus | coolnewbie: is this for ONLY that user (and root)? |
| 18:34.57 | coolnewbie | lazarus:yes |
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| 18:35.10 | lazarus | coolnewbie: no need to create a grgoup probably then |
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| 18:35.30 | lazarus | coolnewbie: look in /etc/group to make certain no one else is in that users group, first |
| 18:35.45 | lazarus | coolnewbie: grep coolnewbie /etc/group |
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| 18:35.59 | lazarus | coolnewbie: grep maanu /etc/group |
| 18:36.13 | lazarus | coolnewbie: whatever user/group name |
| 18:36.27 | lazarus | coolnewbie: anyone else in it/ |
| 18:36.30 | lazarus | coolnewbie: anyone else in it? |
| 18:36.45 | coolnewbie | lazarus:wait |
| 18:36.48 | lazarus | coolnewbie: k |
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| 18:37.22 | lazarus | coolnewbie: this is *one* way to do it btw, there may be benefits to doing it some other way |
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| 18:37.39 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 18:38.08 | lazarus | knoppix: debian != knoppix |
| 18:38.16 | lazarus | knoppix: and #debian != #knoppix |
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| 18:38.33 | lazarus | knoppix: looking to install debian rather than knoppix? |
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| 18:41.07 | lazarus | coolnewbie: well? |
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| 18:41.37 | coolnewbie | lazarus:grep /etc/gname dosent seem to work |
| 18:41.53 | lazarus | coolnewbie: where did i tell you to do that? |
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| 18:42.13 | lazarus | coolnewbie: grep manu /etc/group |
| 18:42.25 | Oryn | anyone got vmware to work on 2.6.0 yet? |
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| 18:42.34 | h1de | How can I add a domain to my network config? |
| 18:42.39 | gp | Oryn: I failed..heh. |
| 18:42.46 | lazarus | coolnewbie: what user did youo have in mind? manu? |
| 18:43.15 | Oryn | gp: yea it didn't compile |
| 18:43.16 | coolnewbie | lazarus:audio:x:29:manu manu:x:1000: it shows this |
| 18:43.26 | lazarus | coolnewbie: okay |
| 18:43.31 | lazarus | coolnewbie: is tht the user you want? |
| 18:43.38 | gp | Oryn: yup |
| 18:43.41 | coolnewbie | lazarus:yes |
| 18:43.45 | gp | Oryn: they've changed stuff in there..heaps of it.. |
| 18:43.54 | lazarus | coolnewbie: group manu has no additional members |
| 18:44.11 | coolnewbie | lazarus:no |
| 18:44.14 | lazarus | coolnewbie: as manu, do this: |
| 18:44.14 | Oryn | gp: it did compile on one of the test releases |
| 18:44.20 | colde | is it nessasary to give up comands - arguments for mudules by installing kernel ?? |
| 18:44.36 | lazarus | coolnewbie: mkdir pornmountpoint |
| 18:44.45 | lazarus | coolnewbie: (name it differntly if you want) |
| 18:44.49 | gp | Oryn: what options are you using? |
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| 18:45.07 | lazarus | coolnewbie: mkdir /home/manu/pr0n |
| 18:45.12 | lazarus | coolnewbie: whatever :) |
| 18:45.17 | Oryn | gp: dunno, was a long time ago |
| 18:45.27 | coolnewbie | lazarus:done |
| 18:45.51 | lazarus | coolnewbie: if this is ONLY for user manu, there's no reason not to mount it *under* that user's $HOME |
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| 18:46.18 | coolnewbie | lazarus:sure |
| 18:46.21 | lazarus | coolnewbie: now, ,do you want this fs to be only mounted manually or automatically on boot? |
| 18:46.43 | Korn | what happend with xmms skins |
| 18:46.47 | lazarus | coolnewbie: add appropriate lines to /etc/fstab (man 5 fstab) if yuo want it automounted |
| 18:46.49 | coolnewbie | lazarus:auto ,it is already in fstab |
| 18:47.03 | Oryn | gp: there are 2 things stopping me going over to 2.6 vmware and ltmodem |
| 18:47.12 | lazarus | coolnewbie: okay, change the mountpoint to that new dir then, so it is under your $HOME |
| 18:47.37 | lazarus | coolnewbie: as root, umount /old/mount/point |
| 18:47.55 | lazarus | coolnewbie: as root, mount /home/manu/pr0n |
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| 18:48.13 | Korn | can someone help me to put a firewall cause my iptables dont work any ideas? |
| 18:48.16 | Korn | ~iptables |
| 18:48.17 | | it has been said that iptables is shown in the howto as well (the one in Wiki) or found at http://www.iptables.org/documentation/index.html |
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| 18:49.00 | coolnewbie | lazarus:done |
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| 18:49.15 | lazarus | coolnewbie: as manu, man chmod, chmod -R o-rwx /home/manu/pr0n |
| 18:49.36 | lazarus | coolnewbie: as manu, man chmod <-- this is so you know what command i just told you |
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| 18:50.05 | lazarus | coolnewbie: don't blindly type commands some fool on irc tells you |
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| 18:50.38 | Oryn | apt, nice bot |
| 18:50.44 | | ACTION lowers bot's priority |
| 18:50.44 | coolnewbie | lazarus:done |
| 18:50.53 | lazarus | coolnewbie: you read the whole man page that fast? |
| 18:51.03 | coolnewbie | lazarus:ok |
| 18:51.32 | Nurbs | rofl |
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| 18:51.37 | rane | I am using the latest 2.6-test kernel, and my mouse is not working at all, and gpm is even running, is there something I have to also add or modify to allow this to run? |
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| 18:51.54 | coolnewbie | lazarus:i meant the command |
| 18:51.59 | lazarus | rane: no you are not |
| 18:52.02 | Nurbs | rane: the latest 2.6 test kernel? 2.6 is already out. |
| 18:52.04 | coolnewbie | lazarus:i am reading |
| 18:52.13 | rane | via apt-get |
| 18:52.15 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0 |
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| 18:52.39 | tsw_ | any ideas why xvidtune wont work with nvidia drivers? |
| 18:52.39 | KimI | Which application should I use for auto-mounting/unmounting an USB memory stick? |
| 18:52.52 | rane | 2.6.0-test9-1-386 |
| 18:52.54 | initech | KimI: autofs? |
| 18:52.54 | Nurbs | rane: test9 then. |
| 18:52.55 | rane | is what I am using |
| 18:53.18 | lazarus | rane: test9 is far frrom the last test kernel |
| 18:53.28 | lazarus | rane: what do you consider test11? |
| 18:53.42 | lazarus | rane: go get the real 2.6.0 and use that |
| 18:53.43 | initech | test11 is almost the same as .0 |
| 18:53.56 | rane | is there a stable .deb kernel-image |
| 18:53.58 | rane | of 2.6 |
| 18:54.01 | lazarus | rane: 18:52 <lazarus> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0 |
| 18:54.09 | Nurbs | you can create one with make-kpkg |
| 18:54.10 | lazarus | rane: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:54.13 | initech | rane: not from an official source |
| 18:54.14 | LoRez | rane: no, 2.6 wasn't out when stable froze |
| 18:54.23 | lazarus | LoRez: good answer :) |
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| 18:54.33 | lioner | re |
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| 18:54.37 | initech | LoRez: huh? |
| 18:54.42 | l4vim | helo |
| 18:54.49 | lazarus | LoRez: sadly though, we'll see what excuse they use when sarge releases, since i'll bet it uses some lame 2.4 |
| 18:54.56 | LoRez | initech: having problems with english today? |
| 18:55.01 | l4vim | I have a problem with "make menuconfig" in 2.6.0 kernel on SID |
| 18:55.09 | l4vim | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 18:55.11 | LoRez | l4vim: install libncurses5-dev |
| 18:55.17 | lioner | artsc.h in which package is? |
| 18:55.19 | initech | no, just thinking that "stable" froze some year and a half ago |
| 18:55.34 | LoRez | initech: then 2.6 wouldn't be in it, now would it? |
| 18:55.40 | lioner | damn packages.debian.org ;/ |
| 18:55.51 | lazarus | initech: you seem to be having comprehension troubles? |
| 18:55.55 | rane | so there is nothing I can do to at least get my mouse working without having to get the stable kernel |
| 18:55.57 | LoRez | dpkg: find artsc.h |
| 18:56.09 | lazarus | rane: that's not what you asked |
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| 18:56.15 | initech | LoRez: well that's what i get for jumping in without reading back :-( |
| 18:56.23 | lazarus | rane: you want 2.6.0, /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:56.27 | l4vim | LoRez : thnx, I'll |
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| 18:56.35 | lazarus | rane: you want gpm, /msg dpkg gpm |
| 18:56.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'artsc.h' (1 shown): (/usr/include/kde/artsc/artsc.h) in libdevel/libartsc0-dev. |
| 18:56.45 | lazarus | rane: you want gpm, lynx /usr/share/doc/gpm/ |
| 18:56.59 | LoRez | l4vim: there ya go, read what dpkg said |
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| 18:57.06 | rane | it was working when I used 2.4 |
| 18:57.20 | lioner | LoRez thanks. I have installed it, but mplayer have some problem with it. |
| 18:57.21 | coolnewbie | lazarus:irrespective of what we do root will always have all rights is it like that |
| 18:57.38 | lazarus | coolnewbie: that is root, by definition |
| 18:57.51 | lazarus | coolnewbie: don'tt allow root access to those you do not trust ultimately |
| 18:57.53 | coolnewbie | lazarus:ok |
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| 18:58.10 | LoRez | coolnewbie: grsec or selinux or anything similar will allow you to restrict root's access |
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| 18:58.17 | initech | lazarus: i don't even allow root acces to those i trust :-) |
| 18:58.43 | lazarus | initech: *ultimately* |
| 18:58.48 | coolnewbie | lazarus:why di\o they say do not use irc clients like xchat as root |
| 18:59.00 | lazarus | coolnewbie: /msg dpkg root |
| 18:59.06 | lioner | And seconf thingie. I have synaptics on Acer TravelMate 242XC. Anybody made it working? |
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| 18:59.51 | coolnewbie | lazarus:thanks |
| 19:00.07 | machoney | can you tell me how can I format ext2 partition from command line |
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| 19:00.38 | Nurbs | man mkfs, man mkfs.ext2 |
| 19:00.59 | icecold | mke2fs |
| 19:01.01 | lazarus | coolnewbie: np |
| 19:01.15 | machoney | OK. I think I have bad blocks. Any solutions? |
| 19:01.25 | nk_ | machoney: mkfs -t ext2 /dev/yourhd |
| 19:01.29 | Nurbs | same thing :) |
| 19:01.32 | icecold | man badblocks |
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| 19:01.47 | publunch | hello |
| 19:01.49 | Aqua_ | how can I mount my windows partition to get files from ot to debian please_ |
| 19:02.00 | machoney | thnx |
| 19:02.07 | lazarus | Aqua_: man mount |
| 19:02.12 | icecold | mount -t vfat /dev/<hdanum> /mnt/ |
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| 19:02.28 | Aqua_ | icecold: thank you very much! |
| 19:02.28 | initech | Aqua_: is it fat or ntfs? |
| 19:02.35 | Aqua_ | initech: NTFS |
| 19:02.43 | machoney | last question. Is that possible that I broke my hard drive using hdparm -c 3 command |
| 19:02.45 | DarK | oii |
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| 19:03.02 | initech | Aqua_: well you can mount ntfs rw, but it's experimental, ymmv |
| 19:03.04 | DarK | eu sou do brasil |
| 19:03.07 | icecold | Aqua_: You need NTFS support compiled in kernel. |
| 19:03.17 | Korn | hey i have a question how do you closed ports with, iptables? |
| 19:03.18 | icecold | 2.6 had NTFS write priv |
| 19:03.19 | DarK | algum brasileiro |
| 19:03.45 | publunch | Does anyone here admit to knowing how to get sound configured and working? |
| 19:03.50 | Aqua_ | How can I activate the NTFS support in the kernel_ |
| 19:03.56 | DarK | any one heard of KURUMIM LINUX??? |
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| 19:04.04 | Korn | nope no one DarK |
| 19:04.14 | Korn | have you try Debian? |
| 19:04.16 | icecold | Aqua_: You can ro NTFS but to get write recompile 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:04.24 | initech | Aqua_: try mounting it with "-t ntfs" already |
| 19:04.47 | chance2105 | I get this error from cdrecord: 'cdrecord.mmap: Invalid argument. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer.' I'm using an Atapi CD-RW, and I'm using SCSI emulation. What does this mean? |
| 19:04.59 | icecold | chance2105: As root? |
| 19:05.08 | chance2105 | icecold: no, as a regular user |
| 19:05.22 | icecold | chance2105: You don't have priv, try as root. |
| 19:05.27 | chance2105 | icecold: Lemme try it, and give you a report. |
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| 19:05.35 | DarK | It' base in the KNOPPIX ... you know it??? (KORN)??? |
| 19:05.40 | bonez39 | publunch: what sort of problem are you having? |
| 19:05.44 | kr0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.44 | DarK | based |
| 19:05.45 | Aqua_ | initech, icecold: it worked ! |
| 19:05.49 | Aqua_ | thank you!!! |
| 19:05.51 | icecold | yep |
| 19:06.04 | Aqua_ | =) |
| 19:06.24 | DarK | and came from debian... korn |
| 19:06.34 | machoney | Last question again. Is that possible that I broke my hard drive using hdparm -c 3 command |
| 19:07.08 | chris` | I doubt it |
| 19:07.19 | icecold | machoney: No, hdparm has to be set each time that the computer is restarted, just restart comp for sake of simplicity. |
| 19:07.40 | icecold | machoney: this will get to old hd setting |
| 19:07.48 | machoney | OK. |
| 19:07.53 | chris` | Or just change it again with hdparm |
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| 19:07.55 | yuran | Korn, close ports with iptables: iptables -A INPUT -d localhost/port -j DROP |
| 19:08.15 | icecold | chris`: yes. or man hdparm and read what you did machoney. |
| 19:08.21 | Korn | yuran thanks =) |
| 19:08.42 | machoney | Is that possible that after mkfs bad blocks will disapear |
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| 19:09.08 | Korn | yuran but i want to close the 22 port and when i type nmap still shows that is open |
| 19:09.11 | icecold | machoney: Which fs are you using now? |
| 19:09.16 | machoney | ext2 |
| 19:09.29 | icecold | machoney: man badblocks |
| 19:09.38 | coolnewbie | lazarus:the command worker whaen i gave chmod as root and added +rwx how did it know it was for usser manu was it because the mount is in /home/manu |
| 19:09.43 | chance2105 | icecold: No. As root, cdrecord reports that same error. |
| 19:09.48 | Korn | ~closing ports |
| 19:09.52 | yuran | Korn, maybe you also have a rule to accept packets on port 22 |
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| 19:10.07 | Korn | oh so what can i do then yuran ? |
| 19:10.09 | machoney | thkx. Bye |
| 19:10.16 | icecold | chance2105: are you giving it the correct dev name? |
| 19:10.45 | chance2105 | icecold: /dev/scd0 .. yup |
| 19:10.55 | yuran | Korn, look for a good tutorial about iptables :/ |
| 19:11.08 | icecold | chance2105: no do a cdrecord -scanbus the as -dev=0,0,0 or whatever |
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| 19:12.29 | chris` | cdrecord allows passing the dev as the /dev device as well |
| 19:14.16 | chance2105 | icecold: cdrecord -scanbus is reporting the same error, both for a regular user and as root. |
| 19:14.47 | icecold | chance2105: What is the error again? |
| 19:15.01 | chance2105 | icecold: cdrecord.mmap: Invalid argument. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. |
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| 19:15.54 | Korn | where is usual the iptables config? |
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| 19:17.16 | Korn | ~iptables |
| 19:17.18 | | i guess iptables is shown in the howto as well (the one in Wiki) or found at http://www.iptables.org/documentation/index.html |
| 19:17.37 | chance2105 | icecold: I'm getting an odd dmesg error that doesn't make sense to me. care to flood? |
| 19:17.51 | icecold | chance2105: I think it may be a scsi emulation problem with the kernel. |
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| 19:18.31 | debian | chance2105: you scsi emulation to burn CD/DVD |
| 19:18.41 | chance2105 | icecold: Ok. That's where I'm standing too. |
| 19:18.43 | debian | chance2105: s/you/you don't need/ sorry |
| 19:19.11 | icecold | chance2105: What scsi info did you compile in kernel? |
| 19:19.20 | chance2105 | debian: I realize. :) What version of cdrecord do I need for that? |
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| 19:19.31 | chance2105 | icecold: You mean, what options? |
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| 19:19.35 | quant | "You MUST run the configure script as normal user, not root." i downloaded the file, tried to untar it as a normal user and i get lots of errors... how can i fix this? |
| 19:19.54 | icecold | chance2105: When choosing what to compile in kernel what did you choose? |
| 19:19.59 | motu | how do i set a module (.o file) to be loaded at bootup? |
| 19:20.05 | debian | chance2105: Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jo?=g Schilling |
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| 19:20.17 | motu | that is, whats the name of the modprobe conf |
| 19:20.19 | debian | chance2105: this is straight out of my sid |
| 19:20.25 | icecold | debian: good idea |
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| 19:21.10 | chance2105 | debian: Okie, that's what I have. |
| 19:21.30 | Korn | hey why when i put this iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP and i put nmap localhost it shows me that the ssh is still open any help plZ? |
| 19:21.36 | debian | chance2105: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 19:21.53 | debian | icecold: I lost a lot of hair with scsi emulation |
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| 19:22.32 | icecold | chance2105: check out http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 and see if that is what you did. |
| 19:22.41 | debian | Korn: this one is easy. your nmap locally? |
| 19:23.02 | Korn | ?? |
| 19:23.11 | icecold | Korn: local network |
| 19:23.26 | debian | Korn: do you realize that it doesn't go thru the INPUT chance? |
| 19:23.32 | debian | s/chance/chain |
| 19:23.34 | debian | damn! |
| 19:23.36 | Korn | basho: local: can only be used in a function |
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| 19:24.39 | chance2105 | icecold: CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y |
| 19:24.45 | chance2105 | icecold: ok, lemme check it out. |
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| 19:25.10 | Korn | there we go thanks Justin_ |
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| 19:26.16 | chance2105 | icecold: Ok, lemme just describe to you what I did, if you don't mind. Basically, I compiled up 2.6 using make-kpkg. |
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| 19:27.14 | icecold | chance2105: You need to make sure that you compiled the correct things in the kernel. |
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| 19:27.35 | icecold | chance2105: more specifically http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949&page=4 |
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| 19:28.27 | publunch | hey, is the modutils package in sarge up-to-date? Like http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html tells me that it needs to be, to get a 2.6 kernel working properly. I am getting the QM_MODULES: function not implemented error message. |
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| 19:29.26 | publunch | Dare I try the sid modutils? |
| 19:29.40 | cupis | publunch: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 19:29.43 | chance2105 | Justin_: So Justin, what _do_ you recommend, exactly? |
| 19:30.00 | icecold | pulu: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 19:31.08 | icecold | s/pulu/publunch wow! |
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| 19:31.41 | psychonate | hello I've heard that if one burns in "mode2" (no error correction) he/she can get up to 800 mb on an 80 min cdr. Is this correct, and if so- does one use DAO? |
| 19:32.13 | publunch | icecold, cupis, installing module-init-tools now, will I need to reboot? |
| 19:32.15 | zinx | psychonate: you can fit 2336*75*80*60 bytes in mode2 |
| 19:32.21 | icecold | psychonate: with overburn. |
| 19:32.30 | icecold | publunch: are you installing the kernel? |
| 19:32.47 | zinx | psychonate: you don't get any error correcting data, though, so if your disc gets scratched you lose |
| 19:33.06 | publunch | icecold: I've just installed the kernel, and rebooted about half an hour ago. |
| 19:33.31 | icecold | publunch: were you getting depmod errors while installing? |
| 19:34.36 | publunch | icecold: no, I managed to build a kernel that works. I'm just trying to get one or two nice things like sound to work now. |
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| 19:35.33 | icecold | publunch: dpkg -P kernel-image-2.6 or whatever, then reinstall dpkg -i kernel-.. update grub/lilo and reboot |
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| 19:36.07 | icecold | publunch: then edit /etc/modules and you're golden |
| 19:36.28 | publunch | hmm - ok - thanks - bbiab - rebooting |
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| 19:37.22 | chance2105 | Is there a way to use make-kpkg in such a way so that you can use multiple -rev tags (multiple compiles on the same tree) without make-kpkg barf? |
| 19:37.38 | chance2105 | Not on the same command: multple, serial compiles. |
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| 19:37.47 | psychonate | zinx: well I plan on burning AVI's |
| 19:38.00 | psychonate | zinx: I've heard that the error correction doesn't really matter for those |
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| 19:38.35 | psychonate | "But if it's a movie and not data then you don't need the error correction. Data must be spot on or it won't work, that's why it needs error correction." |
| 19:38.46 | psychonate | that was from a forum |
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| 19:39.59 | cromd | greetings all, i've just set up a 2nd mail server and am getting the following reply from exim whenever i try to send email to it: 'too many "received" headers - suspected mail loop'. Google doesn't give much by way on this that i can make any sense of, does anybody know what sort of thing i need to do to fix this? |
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| 19:40.38 | Caelum | cromd: check the exim log? |
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| 19:40.54 | Caelum | cromd: did you set up MX records for your domain? |
| 19:41.03 | cromd | yes Caelum, it certainly mentions this, but for the rest of it, it's a bit over my head |
| 19:41.23 | psychonate | can someone point me to a nice howto on mode2 burning |
| 19:41.23 | n00bzin | where can I find a tutorial about recompiling a kernel? |
| 19:41.31 | Jawoota | do kernel-source packages contain all the headers in kernel-headers packages? |
| 19:41.33 | h1de | How can I add a domain to my network config? |
| 19:41.43 | cromd | Caelum, yes i did, internally to my network, with bind9 |
| 19:41.52 | icecold | n00bzin: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 19:42.00 | chance2105 | godless, I love Athlons for compiling. |
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| 19:42.25 | icecold | h1de: edit /etc/hosts |
| 19:42.33 | Saw^ | Could anybody explain me why I get kernel panic (Reason something like "specify root=") when trying to use kernel 2.6.0? |
| 19:42.34 | n00bzin | thx icecold |
| 19:42.35 | chance2105 | err heh .. sorry godless .. unintentional |
| 19:42.50 | n00bzin | do u only have that guide? |
| 19:43.03 | chance2105 | Saw^: Check your /etc/lilo.conf. You need a 'root=' line so that the kernel knows how to find what is your root filesystem. |
| 19:43.09 | h1de | icecold: but what should i put there? |
| 19:43.11 | icecold | Saw^: Hard question something wrong with kernel config |
| 19:43.24 | cupis | Saw^: because you failed to compile in appropriate support for your harddisk/root filesystem? |
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| 19:43.31 | Saw^ | That's where the problem is, root is defined in lilo.conf |
| 19:43.36 | chance2105 | Saw^: all of the above |
| 19:43.56 | icecold | h1de: localIP name name |
| 19:44.20 | coolnewbie | is athcool usefull |
| 19:44.23 | Saw^ | And I'm pretty much sure that ext2 support is compiled into that kernel... |
| 19:44.39 | chance2105 | Saw^: mine's .. root=/dev/hda2. Depends on how you're partitioned up. I'd rather think tho, that if it's worked before, it's some of the other suggestions. |
| 19:45.07 | cupis | Saw^: pretty sure? I'd check. Also make sure your have support for your IDE chipset compiled in, and support for IDE disks (or whatever you are using). |
| 19:45.11 | Saw^ | chance2105: yeh, it works with other kernels (2.4.18 and 2.2.20) but not with the new one |
| 19:45.32 | tempo | i get this msg when i try to generate a .pdf file - Usage: ps2pdfwr [options...] (input.[e]ps|-) [output.pdf|-] ? |
| 19:45.48 | icecold | tempo: use man pages |
| 19:46.03 | Saw^ | cupis: well at least ext2 was compiled in |
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| 19:46.32 | tempo | icecold: i tried to do /usr/bin/txt2html filename.txt | /usr/bin/html2ps | /usr/bin/ps2pdf > filename.pdf |
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| 19:47.14 | streuner | tempo: openoffice can produce pdf's |
| 19:47.16 | icecold | tempo: your usage is wrong, consult the man pages and make sure you're doing it correct. |
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| 19:47.25 | icecold | openoffice kicks ass |
| 19:47.30 | tempo | streuner: i didn't see that option in openoffice |
| 19:47.32 | vodkaabsolute | hi all |
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| 19:47.42 | streuner | tempo: look harder. |
| 19:47.47 | icecold | tempo: it's by print |
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| 19:47.57 | tempo | streuner: under save as? |
| 19:48.01 | chance2105 | Wheeee .. brb. |
| 19:48.16 | streuner | tempo: do you need some glasses? :-) |
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| 19:49.00 | vodkaabsolute | i'm trying to change locale with dpkg-reconfigure locales but when it finish and i launch ./locale , locale are not changed |
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| 19:50.04 | mage | vodkaabsolute: you need to logout/login |
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| 19:50.24 | vodkaabsolute | mage ..i'll try tnx |
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| 19:51.42 | vodkaabsolute | mage...true...i have just tryed it in a new tty and it changend |
| 19:52.02 | chance2105 | icecold: Still no luck. I enabled one, rather obscure option that the link you sent to me suggested. |
| 19:52.25 | tempo | streuner: 8-) sure |
| 19:52.33 | chance2105 | icecold: Short: I left atapi cd-rom support enabled, and use an 'append=' line. |
| 19:52.49 | Active2 | how can i do some traffic shaping ? are there some things in the kernel (maybe QoS) or something else ? |
| 19:53.29 | streuner | Active2: userland app is shaperd |
| 19:53.38 | chance2105 | icecold: debian: Is there anything special I need to know about burning straight to the cd-rw .. using the /dev/hdx convention? |
| 19:53.48 | Active2 | streuner: thanks |
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| 19:54.45 | MR_Bacardi | Hey, my new keyboard (Microsoft Wireless Desktop Elite) causes my debian keep saying the errors: "keyboard: unknown scancode e0 01" and "keyboard: unknown scancode e0 59", why does it do that? And how do I get it to stop? Don't have X installed and the speciel keys don't have to work, the half of them can't work without X installed, but the errors comes even when I just use the normal keys (a-z)... |
| 19:55.08 | Covener | chance2105: not a thing, just feed it in the -dev like you would a bus/target/lun |
| 19:55.13 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: what do you expect from ms? |
| 19:55.17 | icecold | chance2105: make sure you clear it. |
| 19:55.25 | zinx | MR_Bacardi: which kernel? |
| 19:55.27 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: surely not compatibility? |
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| 19:55.34 | initech | especially from something called "ms elite" |
| 19:55.40 | chance2105 | icecold: Clear .. ? |
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| 19:55.51 | MR_Bacardi | Kernel Version 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 19:55.58 | zinx | hmm |
| 19:55.59 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:56.13 | initech | "ms elite" should translate as "you my bitch" |
| 19:56.15 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: /topic |
| 19:56.36 | chance2105 | Covener: So basically, its a drop-in replacement for already existing apps. |
| 19:56.38 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: you have bigger problems, like that insecure kernel |
| 19:56.44 | icecold | chance2105: cdrecord -vvv -speed=4 -dev=... -blank=fast <file> |
| 19:56.48 | chance2105 | err 'correct usage' |
| 19:56.56 | streuner | MR_Barcardi: which version of debian do you use? |
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| 19:57.56 | MR_Bacardi | streuner - Kernel Version 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 19:58.10 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: that is not what he asked you |
| 19:58.19 | streuner | MR_Barcardi: run 'dpkg -l libc6' and tell us the output (only one line) |
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| 19:58.52 | Covener | chance2105: it does throw some debugs that mention that it's an unintended consequence of the way cdrecord works |
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| 19:59.07 | Saw^ | should my initrd.img version 2.4.18 work with 2.6.0? |
| 19:59.17 | Saw^ | Kernel 2.6.0 |
| 19:59.17 | streuner | hell, no |
| 19:59.20 | Saw^ | =) |
| 19:59.28 | Covener | chance2105: cdrecord author is very critical/cynical of linux ide |
| 19:59.32 | lazarus | what is with people today? |
| 19:59.49 | MR_Bacardi | 2.2.5 - 11.5 |
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| 20:00.00 | lazarus | lol |
| 20:00.13 | tempo | streuner: help! i'm blind. what version of openoffice do you have? |
| 20:00.27 | streuner | tempo: i had the version of sid. |
| 20:00.36 | hax | how do i locate the largest files and subdirectories in a directory? |
| 20:00.48 | initech | hax: du |
| 20:00.50 | Covener | hax: du |sort -n is good |
| 20:00.52 | MR_Bacardi | I'm new in linux, so I don't know what to do... |
| 20:01.14 | wasabi | um im having a weird partitioning problem |
| 20:01.23 | cromd | greetings all, i'm getting a 'too many "recieved" headers - suspected mail loop' reply from exim when i attempt to mail to my 2nd mail server, does that sound like a DNS issue or is that something i've misconfigured with exim? |
| 20:01.25 | MR_Bacardi | Defently can't compile a kernel myself |
| 20:01.25 | wasabi | im trying to create a 4th partition, but fdisk thinks it can start at 1 |
| 20:01.31 | hax | Covener: it shows each directory as 4kb though, which i guess is the inode size |
| 20:01.32 | wasabi | when partition 1 is already started at 1 |
| 20:01.36 | streuner | MR_Bacardi: check out usenet (groups.google.com) if you get any problems with that keyboard ... |
| 20:01.39 | wasabi | ... so I have two partitions covering the same drive space |
| 20:01.40 | wasabi | that's weird. |
| 20:01.45 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: why not, it isn't rocket sciencee |
| 20:01.47 | vodkaabsolute | MR_Bacardi: read the manual in the documentation section of the debian site |
| 20:01.51 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 20:02.14 | Covener | hax: mine shows filesizes. |
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| 20:02.26 | Covener | hax: well, totals for the directories obviously |
| 20:02.30 | icecold | MR_Bacardi: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 20:02.37 | hax | Covener: oh wait, yeah, you're right |
| 20:02.40 | hax | thanks |
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| 20:02.56 | rodrigo | commando to look for a file? |
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| 20:03.03 | streuner | tempo: Don't say you run woody? |
| 20:03.03 | Covener | rodrigo: find |
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| 20:03.08 | rodrigo | apt-get search file? |
| 20:03.11 | icecold | rodrigo: locate |
| 20:03.21 | Covener | rodrigo: apt-cache search package |
| 20:03.26 | tempo | streuner: i am not saying that. i am running sid |
| 20:03.44 | rodrigo | ho |
| 20:03.45 | rodrigo | ty :) |
| 20:03.48 | MR_Bacardi | and what does it help compiling a new kernel? Does that make my debian support my new keyboard? Wich have alot of speciel keys... |
| 20:03.54 | streuner | tempo: it should in 'File' -> 'Print' |
| 20:04.24 | tempo | streuner: my version is 1.0.3 |
| 20:04.29 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: /topic |
| 20:04.39 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: your kb is the least of your problems |
| 20:04.45 | icecold | tempo: file -> export to PDF |
| 20:04.45 | DelEat | I want to adjust my volume with an OSD display - I know it can be done - anybody remember the pkg/src ??? |
| 20:04.49 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: first fix your security problems |
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| 20:05.08 | hax | cfdisk shows my ext3 partition as having 60GB total, but df shows it as 56GB, why? |
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| 20:05.41 | MR_Bacardi | okay, but I'll wait with that until tomorrow or something like that, don't have the time to compile a new kernel now |
| 20:05.47 | plugwash | hax i can see several possibilitys |
| 20:05.49 | Gathond | hax: 5 % is default reserved for root (wont show up if a user runs df) |
| 20:05.49 | tempo | streuner: got it. thanks |
| 20:05.54 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: well, then use your "old" kb until you have time |
| 20:06.04 | rodrigo | that it programs can use to lower music in debian? |
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| 20:06.08 | hax | Gathond: i am running df as root |
| 20:06.08 | icecold | MR_Bacardi: Don't be afraid of linux. |
| 20:06.13 | hax | plugwash: like? |
| 20:06.19 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: what icecold said |
| 20:06.24 | icecold | hax: swap. |
| 20:06.26 | Gathond | hax: then i would think that cfdisk shows GB and df GiB |
| 20:06.35 | lazarus | MR_Bacardi: if you won't do such simple things, then linux isn't for you |
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| 20:06.41 | DelEat | onscreen display of volume changes??? |
| 20:06.58 | hax | icecold: hda3 is 60422.91MB in cfdisk |
| 20:06.59 | rodrigo | ? |
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| 20:07.05 | hax | icecold: df -m shows it as 56718 |
| 20:07.09 | jholt | udev blows worse than devfs |
| 20:07.34 | chance2105 | icecold: I've honestly never used cdrecord by the command line, so I'm working through it. cdrecord -vvv -speed=20 -blank=fast -dev=/dev/hdc <image> is griping. It throw an error, but does not burn. |
| 20:07.58 | hax | Gathond: i'm pretty sure thats not it |
| 20:08.10 | metalifloyd | anyone seen this error when trying to load frozen-bubble on a current sid system? |
| 20:08.11 | metalifloyd | Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/SDL_perl/SDL_perl.so' for module SDL_perl |
| 20:08.25 | hax | Gathond: 4GB is a lot to be missing |
| 20:08.30 | chance2105 | icecold: 'cdrecord.mmap: Invalid argument. Cannot open SCSI driver. Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.' That's about the jist of it. |
| 20:09.13 | icecold | chance2105: I told you what I suggest, compile the kernel like the website I gave you and then try again. It works believe me. |
| 20:09.28 | Gathond | hax: its about the same my 80 GB disk lost |
| 20:09.28 | chance2105 | icecold: Apologies. That's exactly how I compiled it. |
| 20:09.36 | icecold | I'm getting sick of all the obvious questions, people please check man pages... |
| 20:09.39 | chance2105 | icecold: It's ok if you dont know, just say so. :) |
| 20:09.51 | lazarus | chance2105: READ the fscking man page! |
| 20:09.56 | hax | Gathond: that sucks |
| 20:09.56 | hax | alot |
| 20:10.10 | icecold | chance2105: I would need to see dmesg, there are about 20 things that could be miss configured. |
| 20:10.12 | Gathond | hax: its just 2 different ways to measure it |
| 20:10.23 | Gathond | some following the standard for numbers some not :) |
| 20:10.26 | icecold | chance2105: I would also have to see your .config file. |
| 20:10.44 | lazarus | icecold: alterrnatively, ,he could jusst follow the documentation |
| 20:10.50 | hax | Gathond: confusing |
| 20:10.53 | chance2105 | I seriously doubt it's the config. I've done this more than 50^n times. |
| 20:10.56 | Gathond | hax: yes |
| 20:10.59 | icecold | lazarus: exactly, thank you! |
| 20:11.27 | DelEat | xvolume is the one... |
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| 20:11.30 | Caelum | found an article on how to get Steam CS to work in wine! http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17 |
| 20:11.33 | hax | Gathond: well, between /root and /home, i'm only using 42GB |
| 20:11.44 | hax | Gathond: should a linux install really be close to 20gb? |
| 20:11.45 | lazarus | icecold: where are those other fools now? the ones that read tthe docs for people and made them think that is what #debian is for :( |
| 20:11.46 | hax | that seems excessive |
| 20:11.49 | chance2105 | Hey! Since honesty doesn't work .. and evidently, people don't know how to stand their ground .. that's ok by me, too. |
| 20:11.52 | icecold | Debian has very good documentation that people overlook, if some of these people would just check it out life would be good. |
| 20:12.06 | Gathond | hax: anyways the difference between GB and GiB is about 7 percent ... with 60 Gb thats about 4 so it fits |
| 20:12.08 | Covener | chance2105: no -dev,just dev= |
| 20:12.35 | icecold | lazarus: we need #debian-noreaddocs and #debian-readandstillhaveproblems |
| 20:12.39 | hax | Gathond: interesting |
| 20:12.42 | lazarus | icecold: if those fols read the docs for people, ,then they should commit to beeing ehre to handhold 24/7 |
| 20:12.42 | n00bzin | icecold, i have XFS on my box, how do i enable XFS support when recompiling the kernel? |
| 20:12.42 | Gathond | hax: depends on the linux install and what you use it for/too ... but 20 GB for programs seems alot |
| 20:13.01 | hax | Gathond: gentoo, and nothing out of the ordinary |
| 20:13.02 | surrounder | I'm using it on a 4,3 GB HD and it works great |
| 20:13.10 | icecold | n00bzin: make surre it's supported by kernel. like 2.6 |
| 20:13.11 | lazarus | n00bzin: make menuconfig |
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| 20:13.16 | Gathond | hax: GB = 10^9 GiB = 2^30 |
| 20:13.22 | Whistleboy | anyone familiar with the best way to setup Matrox cards (stock driver, off of Matrox sight, matroxfb, etc.). I have a G550 that I would like to get working on the 2.6 kernel, and haven't had to configure these cards in a long time. |
| 20:13.30 | icecold | n00bzin: what kernel are you compiling? |
| 20:13.43 | lazarus | n00bzin: read the help for each item in make menuconfig and configure appropriately |
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| 20:13.46 | Gathond | problem is that everybody uses GB ... they just dont always agree on what it means |
| 20:13.46 | ercin | how can i clean&rebuild package cache ? |
| 20:13.50 | hax | Gathond: GiB is such an unnecessary measurement |
| 20:13.50 | n00bzin | icecold, 2.4.23 |
| 20:13.54 | hax | Gathond: whats the i stand for, anyway? |
| 20:14.05 | lazarus | ercin: dselect update |
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| 20:14.28 | icecold | n00bzin: please check is xfs is supported otherwise you may need to get the xfs patch. |
| 20:14.34 | Gathond | hax: the i is there because GB is already taken :), and a 2^x based prefix is quite nice when working with binary numbers |
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| 20:14.36 | icecold | n00bzin: 2.6 has xfs for sure. |
| 20:14.40 | zinx | TokenGoth: it was not the least bit confusing before the hard drive manufacturers decided to change their marketing |
| 20:14.41 | zinx | erh |
| 20:14.42 | ercin | lazarus, thx |
| 20:14.47 | zinx | Gathond |
| 20:14.47 | lazarus | ercin: np |
| 20:14.53 | zinx | TokenGoth: sorry :P |
| 20:15.05 | Gathond | hax: http://www.cofc.edu/~frysingj/binprefixes.html |
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| 20:15.08 | n00bzin | icecold, but the 2.6 is stable? its finally stable? |
| 20:15.15 | icecold | noo: yes!!!! |
| 20:15.17 | lazarus | n00bzin: READ |
| 20:15.18 | chance2105 | Covener icecold: Thanks for your help. |
| 20:15.22 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0 |
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| 20:15.44 | icecold | n00bzin: www.kernel.org |
| 20:15.47 | lazarus | where do these people come from that refuse to read? |
| 20:15.51 | jholt | root's in the house |
| 20:15.52 | metalifloyd | has anyone got frozen-bubble to work with libsdl-perl 2? |
| 20:15.53 | lazarus | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
| 20:15.57 | moustic | hello yes 2,6,0 : great !! |
| 20:15.58 | Gathond | zinx: actually science have used SI units far before that, it was the CS guys who used SI prefixes for binary values that almost matched |
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| 20:16.06 | abolande_ | hax: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 20:16.07 | n00bzin | lazarus, i read it.. |
| 20:16.13 | icecold | metalikop: did you apt-get install frozenbubble? |
| 20:16.34 | n00bzin | lazarus, but i dunno know if is really stable |
| 20:16.39 | icecold | metalikop: it should resolve depends |
| 20:16.40 | lazarus | n00bzin: READ |
| 20:16.41 | metalifloyd | icecold: yes but it fails to run because of conflicts with libsdl 2 |
| 20:16.48 | hax | Gathond: hah, thats a solid page |
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| 20:17.01 | n00bzin | lazarus, OK |
| 20:17.14 | lazarus | n00bzin: or go tell linus you think he is a liar, but don't waste our time in #debian |
| 20:17.14 | icecold | n00bzin: yes 2.6 is stable, check www.kernel.org Please read... |
| 20:17.32 | Gathond | actually just to confuse even more some also used MB as 1000 KB with KB = 1024 bytes ... just to muddle the pond even more |
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| 20:17.33 | lazarus | dpkg: nickometer n00bzin |
| 20:17.34 | dpkg | 'n00bzin' is 49.000% lame, lazarus |
| 20:17.47 | bpence | ok, once again, how can I mount my NTFS partition? |
| 20:17.53 | lazarus | bpence: man mount |
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| 20:18.00 | bpence | thanks |
| 20:18.10 | lazarus | bpence: man mount, once again, i told you this hours ago right? |
| 20:18.16 | gp | I cant believe i had a car crash last night, I feel like crying :-( |
| 20:18.23 | lazarus | gp: why? |
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| 20:18.31 | gp | lol bpence |
| 20:18.32 | hax | Gathond: heh, i've got gibis :P |
| 20:18.33 | youssef | part |
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| 20:18.47 | gepeto | Hey guys, one of my partitions died (/home) and now I need to boot from a CD, yet my specific server will not detect more than 16megs if I dont pass memory=256 in the lilo.conf file... which of course hasn't been done on the iso I have.. anyone knows if I can specify this at bootup ? |
| 20:18.49 | gp | lazarus: dunno.. I love my car, Im usually a good driver.. the wet weather got the better of me.. ;) |
| 20:19.04 | surrounder | gp: what kindda car? |
| 20:19.11 | gp | hit a gutter :/ kind of bent the wheel and stuff |
| 20:19.16 | gp | surrounder: are you american? |
| 20:19.27 | surrounder | gp: nope, but I like american cars ( old ones ) |
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| 20:19.42 | gp | surrounder: oh ok.. I've got an aussie car.. Holden Commodore? |
| 20:19.44 | lazarus | gepeto: man bootparams |
| 20:20.02 | surrounder | gp: will search for a pic if I got X again :) |
| 20:20.10 | gp | hehe |
| 20:20.12 | gepeto | lazarus: but I can't boot it to do that ;) |
| 20:20.21 | gp | I bought nice wheels for it :-/ |
| 20:20.25 | gepeto | I like Aussie Fords ! Mad max wheels weeee |
| 20:20.29 | gp | It will cost me $2000+ I think :-/ |
| 20:20.33 | surrounder | uuuuhhh |
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| 20:20.47 | gp | new wheel, fix damage on side of car |
| 20:20.50 | gp | :< |
| 20:20.56 | gp | hopefully they can fix it before I go back to work |
| 20:20.57 | gepeto | gp: here in Canada insuring your wheels is way too expensive if they aren't stock |
| 20:20.59 | msc | hi ppl.. I wanna download debian , what should I download? generic or vanilla? or both of them? |
| 20:21.00 | gp | (1 week) |
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| 20:21.03 | gepeto | so expensive nobody does it heh |
| 20:21.03 | lazarus | gepeto: why are you LYING to us? 20:20 CTCP VERSION reply from gepeto: irssi v0.8.6 - running on Linux i686 |
| 20:21.12 | gepeto | lazarus: I cant boot a box with LILO on it |
| 20:21.15 | gp | gepeto: my car is insured, but I'm not going to ruin my record just to get a wheel fixed..heh |
| 20:21.21 | gepeto | this is my desktop which doesnt have lilo on it |
| 20:21.23 | tommyj | how do I make a diff patch? I just need the diff option... |
| 20:21.24 | lazarus | gepeto: you are on linux, hence you have man pages |
| 20:21.35 | gepeto | does that mean I have the man pages for that stuff... no |
| 20:21.41 | mcgroarty | anyone know how you specify the app used for 'mailto:' -- ? |
| 20:21.41 | lazarus | gepeto: you are on irc, hence you have google |
| 20:22.05 | gepeto | Maybe the proxy blocks google |
| 20:22.05 | msc | lazarus: you talk nonsense.. he can ask |
| 20:22.20 | surrounder | gp: I spend my saturdays working in a store who sells exclusive car ( ok, that is terrible english, sorry) and we have a DMC Delorean :D |
| 20:22.21 | lazarus | msc: talk to icecold about that |
| 20:22.22 | Gathond | gepeto: on the CD's boot prompt just type what ever else you would type + the additional argument |
| 20:22.24 | coolnewbie | lazarus:how do i check if a program is starting automatically during bootup for example clamav virusupdater freshclam how can i prevent that |
| 20:22.29 | gp | oh well, lucky I saved up some money and can afford to fix it. what a waste of money..*cries* |
| 20:22.33 | lazarus | icecold: msc seems to think we are here to read the docs to ppl |
| 20:22.43 | mcgroarty | 'mailto' is one of Google's least-useful searches :) |
| 20:22.44 | gepeto | Gathond: thanks, I'll unplug my monitor and try that now (freakin' headless box...) .. and pray it works |
| 20:22.48 | gepeto | be back in a while :) |
| 20:22.55 | lazarus | coolnewbie: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:24.05 | lazarus | msc: READ the info on www.debian.org |
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| 20:24.17 | msc | yeah I read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html |
| 20:24.26 | lazarus | msc: we are not here to make decisions for you, nor to do youor basic reading |
| 20:24.29 | msc | but my english is not so good.. maybe someone be more spesific |
| 20:24.46 | lazarus | msc: READ the website and you will find there are many translations |
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| 20:25.02 | msc | it doesn't have Kannadian |
| 20:25.07 | msc | or Arabic |
| 20:25.07 | lazarus | msc: READ the website and don't pick a url with .en. in it |
| 20:25.19 | lazarus | msc: no go troll elsewhere |
| 20:25.23 | lazarus | msc: now go troll elsewhere |
| 20:25.40 | msc | hahah you're just funny |
| 20:25.47 | lazarus | msc: troll elsewhere |
| 20:26.04 | msc | if you just shut up, ppl can ask questions.. |
| 20:26.06 | msc | move on buddy |
| 20:26.08 | lazarus | msc: troll elsewhere |
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| 20:26.15 | msc | and don't flood |
| 20:26.18 | lazarus | msc: troll elsewhere |
| 20:26.44 | songpenguin | Hi, could someone help me set up my soundcard? |
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| 20:27.06 | cromd | lasarus, where do you draw the line on that kind of the thing? For the newbie who is genuinely happy to do the required work but doesn't know how to understand the references ... at what stage do you tell her/him that you're not interested in helping them? |
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| 20:27.31 | lazarus | cromd: some fool who says he read www.deebian.org and didn't see the billion other languages? |
| 20:27.41 | lazarus | cromd: i don't support liars |
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| 20:27.49 | Elmchen | hello |
| 20:28.10 | jholt | songpenguin, what type of soundcad do you have? |
| 20:28.12 | msc | lazarus you ain't call me fool or If I ever find you , I kill your as |
| 20:28.14 | msc | ass |
| 20:28.33 | msc | just move on.. I got a problem and it's not yer business |
| 20:28.34 | songpenguin | jholt crystal sound fusion. it's a onboard |
| 20:28.39 | cromd | exactly lazarus .... for someone who really hasn't got the point or doesn't know how to look properly ... even if you don't support liars, how do you decide at what point a person is not worth putting your time aside for? |
| 20:28.56 | songpenguin | jholt: onboard crystal sound fusion |
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| 20:29.14 | cromd | lazarus, i'm not casting this in a pejorative light, i know there are infinite problems and you have only so much time to attend to helping people |
| 20:29.30 | lazarus | cromd: http://www.debian.org/intro/cn |
| 20:29.41 | songpenguin | jholt: I loaded cs46xx module wich used to work but it does'nt seem to be working now |
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| 20:29.47 | lazarus | msc: take your threats elsewhere fool |
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| 20:30.00 | hax | rofl |
| 20:30.04 | hax | ethugs pwn j00 :P |
| 20:30.12 | paulswm | cromd: lazarus has been dealing with more than a fair share of dimwits today |
| 20:30.14 | Ikarus_ | msc: you do know that lazarus can now sue you |
| 20:30.16 | b0ef | hmm, I just lost my mouse. When I run mev I get no output. Anything else I can try?. |
| 20:30.18 | jholt | songpenguin,is the mixer turned up? |
| 20:30.28 | Ikarus_ | msc: making threats is illegal in almost all countries |
| 20:30.29 | msc | you won't get it ha? .. |
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| 20:30.37 | Covener | b0ef: hop out and back into X maybe? |
| 20:30.42 | msc | yeah... sue me haha |
| 20:30.44 | msc | 81.215.68.186 |
| 20:30.48 | lazarus | Ikarus_: including turkye ... he'll probably get his hands chopped off |
| 20:30.48 | cromd | i have to admit lazarus, i'm looking through this and can't quite find the reference to deciding at what stage to stop helping people. Where are talking about on this url? |
| 20:30.50 | msc | this is my ip... find me and sue |
| 20:30.54 | b0ef | Covener: yeah, tried that |
| 20:31.29 | lazarus | cromd: this fool says he wants us to read him the docs because english isn't his native tongue, what a fscking troll |
| 20:31.31 | Ikarus_ | lazarus: with some luck |
| 20:31.35 | cromd | paulswm ... i kind of gathered that, i think lazarus is perfect for this type of question and now is the perfect time to ask it, when he's had a few |
| 20:31.44 | b0ef | It was working nice, suddenly it's gone. |
| 20:31.47 | msc | ahah lazarus you say I'm trolling?.. you don't have any idea about Turkiye.. |
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| 20:32.04 | lazarus | cromd: no one who refuses to read docs for themselves should be helped ... clear enough? |
| 20:32.07 | zinx | msc: so you're saying all turkish people are asshole trolls? |
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| 20:32.15 | zinx | msc: that's a bit racist, don't you think? |
| 20:32.20 | cromd | lazarus ... i'm not asking this question very well, i don't care about "this fool" ... what i'm curious about is your decision making process |
| 20:32.20 | surrounder | msc: what a surprise... |
| 20:32.23 | lazarus | zinx: lol |
| 20:32.34 | msc | ah I cracked up |
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| 20:32.37 | hax | lazarus: what about perlre? ;) |
| 20:32.40 | lazarus | cromd: this particular fool just fit into that category |
| 20:32.41 | Covener | I think I like the trolls better than the pseudo-intellectuals |
| 20:32.50 | songpenguin | jholt: nonono, you don't see, when I run xmms it says that either I don't have the right output plugin selected (checked that) or my card is'nt configured correctly |
| 20:33.14 | lazarus | Covener: feel free to start yourr own channel for them |
| 20:33.24 | jholt | songpenguin, oh ok what permissions are set /dev/dsp? |
| 20:33.27 | Ikarus_ | msc: My neighbours are from Turkey, they are pretty decent people, unlike you |
| 20:33.41 | n00bzin | lol |
| 20:33.49 | lazarus | Covener: /invite msc can be your first act |
| 20:33.53 | jholt | songpenguin, ls -la /dev/dsp0 in case you need the command |
| 20:34.02 | msc | I can't answer you all , but you all can go to hell |
| 20:34.07 | Covener | lazarus: the bad end of that wasn't directed at you |
| 20:34.19 | cromd | so lazarus, what you're saying is that as long as someone's prepared to wade through the documentation and make an attempt to understand it, then they're worthy of help? Have i got that right? |
| 20:34.28 | lazarus | Covener: that's okay, if you like trrolls, it can still apply |
| 20:34.43 | lazarus | cromd: s/worthy/more worthy/ |
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| 20:34.45 | mbalmer | msc: http://www.debian.org/index_tr.html (Turkish) |
| 20:35.00 | msc | the translation is SUCKS don't you get it? |
| 20:35.14 | lazarus | msc: stop trolling |
| 20:35.23 | cromd | that's what i thought lazarus ... what i'm curious about is what's the rung you have to climb? (and i suppose the preceeding rungs to get there)? |
| 20:35.38 | lazarus | msc: you expect us to believe that you instead choose to come here and ask in an ENGLISH-ONLY channel, per the rules? |
| 20:35.52 | songpenguin | jholt: user root group audio user: read write exec group: read write noexec |
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| 20:36.08 | cromd | lazarus, i've combed that url, done a few searches on it, still can't find the reference |
| 20:36.13 | lazarus | cromd: ask paulswm or those that have been here how i've handheld the newbies that did rtfm today |
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| 20:36.22 | msc | you are never gonna get it.. forget it man , it's just too complicated for you |
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| 20:36.35 | marcel_ | merry christmas |
| 20:36.40 | jholt | songpenguin, and the user is in the audio group? |
| 20:36.40 | lazarus | cromd: this fool claims he can't read the website because it is in english |
| 20:36.52 | songpenguin | no |
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| 20:37.06 | songpenguin | jholt: no, I'll go do that |
| 20:37.09 | songpenguin | brb |
| 20:37.13 | marcel_ | i cant seem to mount my usb card reader |
| 20:37.26 | Covener | marcel_: ide-scsi and usb mass storage loaded? |
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| 20:37.39 | paulswm | cromd: nobody's working here anyway, it's just folks giving free time to help, lazarus doesn't have to justify who he helps or not, he can do it on a coin toss if he wishes |
| 20:37.41 | lazarus | cromd: 20:24 <msc> but my english is not so good.. maybe someone be more spesific |
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| 20:38.17 | lazarus | paulswm: thank you |
| 20:38.19 | marcel_ | Covener, yes, but something strange here, when i do sg_map, i get /dev/sg1 but no /dev/sda1 mapped to it |
| 20:38.29 | paulswm | msc <-- turkey from Turkey |
| 20:38.30 | cromd | lazarus ... i'm not doing the pejorative thing at all at all, there's no need to get defensive, in fact i've been saving this question up for someone like you because i know how much help you selflessly give everybody, you've certainly helped me out a couple of times when i was in a scrape ... i'm just curious about where you draw the line and what you expect of them |
| 20:38.50 | msc | paulswm: you are BRILLIANT! that's just hilarous |
| 20:38.54 | lazarus | cromd: again, if ppl refuse to rtfm |
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| 20:39.10 | msc | paulswm: I couldn't even think that stupid laugh for years! |
| 20:39.15 | lazarus | cromd: or lie |
| 20:39.39 | msc | paulswm: do you know anything about clichés ? |
| 20:39.42 | lazarus | cromd: or are not on debian, either |
| 20:39.42 | cromd | Justin, i'm not sure where hell comes into it, but you don't need a reference, and lets face it, there isn't one ... that's why i don't know ... that's why i'm asking, how do you make these decisions? I don't think it's a moral issue though, Justin |
| 20:39.45 | af_ | I got, msc is a kuuxian from kuux |
| 20:39.49 | marcel_ | Covener, do you follow? |
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| 20:40.57 | cromd | yes lazarus, i realise the rtfm concept applies, but as you implied, theres more to it than that, there's degrees of worthiness, what's the next phase after rtfm? |
| 20:41.08 | songpenguin | jholt: the error message went away! thanks! |
| 20:41.11 | lazarus | cromd: lying |
| 20:41.35 | jholt | songpenguin, your welcome |
| 20:41.37 | Covener | marcel_: Not familiar w/ those steps you're taking. |
| 20:41.45 | bizkit | i'm using qmail |
| 20:41.47 | lazarus | cromd: not long ago someone stated they couldn't read a man page because they could not boot the box ... they were on a linux box however |
| 20:41.49 | bizkit | err. |
| 20:41.54 | redrick | bizkit: Condolences. |
| 20:41.57 | cromd | so, so far, we've got honest, be on topic (like the right !@#$! OS) and rtfm ... which sounds pretty fair to me ... would you say that was it? |
| 20:42.03 | marcel_ | Covener, the device is recognized |
| 20:42.27 | marcel_ | Covener, mount /dev/sda1 doesnt work |
| 20:42.28 | bizkit | i'm using qmail and vpopmail, and i'm only able to login with virtual accounts, local (unix) users are not able to login anymore, any ideas? |
| 20:42.31 | bizkit | redrick: sorry ;) |
| 20:42.32 | lazarus | cromd: tell me youo have no internet access and can't access google ... on irc! |
| 20:42.33 | msc | hey I gotta go, lazarus I love you! see you another time |
| 20:42.42 | Covener | marcel_: is usb mass storage and ide-scsi loaded? |
| 20:42.44 | paulswm | hax: yeah, me too |
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| 20:42.50 | marcel_ | Covener, yes |
| 20:43.00 | lazarus | cromd: there are a number of other methods these fools insult our intelligence as well |
| 20:43.05 | cromd | ahh ... lazarus ... i can understand how that claim works ... if you are IRCing from one box, talking about the box with a problem, and don't even know how to download a package or it's man pages then i suppose that claim could be genuine |
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| 20:43.39 | lazarus | cromd: "you all suck ; help me with lilo.conf" |
| 20:43.52 | paulswm | lazarus: rotfl |
| 20:44.01 | systems | :) |
| 20:44.09 | lazarus | paulswm: you laught because you know it's trtue, you've seen it ;) |
| 20:44.14 | hax | lazarus: the only thing more annoying than that is having people actually help them |
| 20:44.33 | cromd | justin, i'm not saying anybody should or shouldn't do anything, it's just that i've done help desk type work before where the rules are well and truly laid down (and didn't work either i might add) and i'm interested in how a system like this evolves on its own ... although i have to admit i didn't expect people to be so defensive about it |
| 20:44.37 | paulswm | lazarus: yes, I'm amazed almost every time I join |
| 20:44.42 | lazarus | hax: yeah, those that see 5 ppl say "rtfm" and then the fool tells them the command line :( |
| 20:45.02 | hax | lazarus: that really annoys me |
| 20:45.09 | lazarus | hax: me too |
| 20:45.15 | DelEat | how can I see which device ALSA is using as mixer? |
| 20:45.16 | cromd | i'm sorry hax, i'm not quite sure what you're saying/asking ... my english is reasonable, could you put it in another way? |
| 20:45.22 | lazarus | cromd: it's called common sense |
| 20:45.23 | wasabi | stfu and rtfm or go back to your llama farm |
| 20:45.29 | hax | cromd: nevermind, it wasnt important |
| 20:45.30 | redrick | cromd: It doesn't evolve on its own. We take orders from orbiting flying saucers. |
| 20:45.43 | lazarus | cromd: there is no boss here writing a procedure manual |
| 20:45.46 | paulswm | wasabi: llama farm, that's good, heh |
| 20:45.49 | Covener | It's my experience that most manpages are poorly written, cutting through the cruft is useful |
| 20:45.53 | lazarus | cromd: well, okay, not counting those flying saucers |
| 20:46.04 | hax | Covener: google > manpages |
| 20:46.32 | cromd | lazarus, that's happened to me often ... stuck with a windows box for my connectivity, possible in another building from the problem box |
| 20:46.55 | hax | lazarus: sometimes rtfm gets annoying though, like if you tell me to du -c, i see it as fair for me to ask you what -c does |
| 20:47.07 | lazarus | hax: no |
| 20:47.08 | hax | lazarus: cause you can answer in seconds where it'd take me much longer to look it up |
| 20:47.13 | lazarus | hax: strtong disagreement |
| 20:47.16 | redrick | cromd: Sucks to be you. You going to get to the point, or are you going to bore us all to death? |
| 20:47.16 | hax | lazarus: really? |
| 20:47.18 | Covener | Looking up a flag should take seconds. |
| 20:47.18 | Pryon | hax : in which case RTFM is the appropriate response |
| 20:47.22 | lazarus | hax: rm -(you know) |
| 20:47.32 | Covener | Once you know what the flag is, I think you have your anecdots backwards. |
| 20:47.40 | cromd | lazarus ... anything starting off with "you all suck ..." obviously isn't part of the equation ... i'm not particularly interested in the people who have no respect for the system (although talk about them by all means if you wish to, i've no problem with that), i'm more interested in the real work you do here |
| 20:47.43 | lazarus | hax: and i say -rf means "really free" or something |
| 20:48.01 | lazarus | hax: they have to rtfm on their own, not trtust the advice of some fool on irc |
| 20:48.31 | lazarus | cromd: maybe you aren't here enough |
| 20:48.51 | lazarus | cromd: it's not uncommon for those who insult the channel denizens to then ask for support here |
| 20:48.52 | hax | lazarus: i guess, i usually answer anyway though, depending how friendly the guy i'm helping is |
| 20:48.53 | cromd | justin_ that's fine, i'm not having a go at anybody for having distanced themselves from any "unwritten rules" ... no-one needs to get on the defensive, although they can do that too if they feel a bit challenged, thats fine too |
| 20:49.12 | redrick | cromd: Bored, now. |
| 20:49.36 | zetrax | hax: When you got the clue you needed, it would also be nice if you took the time to understand it. man <command> and search for the parameter isnt that hard. I agree if you dont understand it then, ask again.. |
| 20:49.45 | lazarus | cromd: you're ugly. make me breakfast <-- it's about that bad sometimes, comical almost |
| 20:49.53 | cromd | lazarus ... very elegant abstraction of what, if we look at it honestly, is a bit of a misnomer ... i mean the very fact that you get idiots like me asking the question goes to show that the common-ness of the sense is not serving me very well, eh? :) |
| 20:50.08 | lazarus | cromd: heh |
| 20:50.09 | cromd | that's fine hax, although i still don't understand |
| 20:50.19 | hax | zetrax: if its a simple question, yeh, but if in the process of telling me how to fix something unrelated to the command itself, i usually answer |
| 20:50.26 | cromd | redrick, that's what i was trying to expose :) |
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| 20:50.36 | lazarus | hax: one other excecption i'll make, personally |
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| 20:50.47 | wifi-tam | anyone know what a AportisDoc is? |
| 20:50.57 | lazarus | hax: someone i've been working with a few hours already some night, someone doing appropriate levels of work those hours |
| 20:51.07 | lazarus | hax: they'll get some "freebies" probably |
| 20:51.11 | hax | lazarus: heh, yeah, thats what i mean |
| 20:51.24 | cromd | exactly lazarus, i know there's no procedure manual written here ... understandings are come to and general human nature run's the show (something i champion myself, by the way), that's what i'm asking about |
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| 20:51.38 | lazarus | hax: there's a few in ehre today that i'll not name, that i know are nodding ;) |
| 20:51.43 | redrick | wifi-tam: Sure. http://linuxmafia.com/palmos/development/doc-format |
| 20:51.45 | hax | heh |
| 20:51.45 | cromd | LOL ... darn ... thought you were going to let me photograph one |
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| 20:51.59 | hax | i need to stop irc'ing and start figuring out how to manage all these files |
| 20:52.05 | lazarus | lilo: greetings |
| 20:52.10 | hax | i really need to learn one of those id3 renaming tools |
| 20:52.13 | lilo | hey lazarus |
| 20:52.17 | hax | so many duplicate files |
| 20:52.18 | hax | re lilo |
| 20:52.21 | wifi-tam | redrick: thanks. it's for my ppc..but i reckon it is for palm :-/ |
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| 20:52.51 | redrick | wifi-tam: Should be pretty good support for PalmDoc on Linux PPC. |
| 20:53.10 | lazarus | lilo: interesting discussion on when not to help going on :) someone who lies, insults, refuses to rtfm, being a few of those mentioned so far that don't warrant burning yourself out on :) |
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| 20:53.21 | crotte01 | HI What is the definitve installation 'howto' for a 2.4.21-xfs kernel + a Speedtouch 330 DSL modem Ta! Anyone |
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| 20:53.26 | wifi-tam | redrick: unfortunately it isn't linux on my ppc (which is the only device that i have running an ms product) |
| 20:53.47 | lazarus | lilo: "hideously off-topic" being one not explicitely mentioned either :0 |
| 20:53.47 | cromd | justin_ ... very sorry about that ... i didn't realise how offensive that was (and genuinely don't understand why it would be either, but that's just my ignorance) anyway, sorry everyone about offending you all about not having a go at you ... i honestly didn't realise it was an issue and certainly wouldn't have mentioned it if i thought it was |
| 20:53.56 | wifi-tam | crotte01: have you tryed speedtouch.sf.net or #speedtouch ? |
| 20:53.58 | redrick | wifi-tam: Well, I don't have specific info. on MacOS support, but imagine it's likewise fine. |
| 20:54.00 | cromd | justin_ ... thanks for pointing that out mate :) |
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| 20:54.12 | Saw^ | I made a deb of the kernel-image and when installing it, it gives many warnings with something like "module xxx ignored, due to loop." What causes this? |
| 20:54.21 | holycow | does anyone know of tutorial for upgrading to the 2.4.23 kernel? i'm googling up a mess of different ways to do it. can apt-handle the kernel upgrade? |
| 20:54.27 | wifi-tam | redrick: yeah, thanks for the help anyway |
| 20:54.39 | crotte01 | wifi-tam I DLed the Speedbundle package - no stupifying results - loloking for better if there IS :) |
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| 20:54.49 | Gathond | holycow: does 2.4.23 offer anything you need the debian version of 2.4.18 dont ? |
| 20:54.57 | holycow | yes security |
| 20:54.59 | wifi-tam | crotte01: i guess that is the best you'll get :-/ |
| 20:55.03 | lazarus | cromd: /msg okay? |
| 20:55.26 | crotte01 | wifi-tam Gosh :( Even the docs conflict about setting it up |
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| 20:55.39 | redrick | wifi-tam: I note in passing that my URL, posted before, _does_ include MacOS implementations such as Documents To Go. Enjoy! |
| 20:55.46 | crotte01 | wifi-tam Back to the drawing board ' as they say' |
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| 20:55.56 | galois | holycow: kernel-package build-tools and the tarball |
| 20:56.03 | wifi-tam | redrick: s/ppc/pocket pc 2002. sorry |
| 20:56.14 | cromd | redrick ... you've lost me a little but i will try ... i'm sorry if i'm boring you, genuinely i am ... just use that filter thing if it's getting to you, there's no point having to put up with that, eh? :) as to the other, there's no "point" per sec ... just teasing out a strand of thought from my earlier days of help-desk, thinking alound and asking a few people about it |
| 20:56.15 | TimEmerick | holycow: Here's how I did it... http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 20:56.24 | legolas | I upgraded to unstable. I now don't have "cc" or "c++" and neiterh "gcc" and "g++" but only the versioed file |
| 20:56.27 | holycow | galois, the only way is recompiling the old fashined way? |
| 20:56.31 | holycow | i dont believe that |
| 20:56.40 | legolas | is there an automatic procedure to fix with some links or should I just create them myself ? |
| 20:56.42 | crotte01 | wifi-tam ......and having gone the DSL road, OI've lost my FAX and (french) Minitel options as there's no dialling feature with DSL modems |
| 20:56.42 | paulswm | holycow: believe it |
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| 20:57.02 | lazarus | cromd: one other issue that comes with this grgoup of volunteer helpers, unlike your helpdedsk days (two actually) |
| 20:57.03 | redrick | holycow: Looking for a precompiled 2.4.23 image in .deb, then? |
| 20:57.09 | holycow | thank you rime :) |
| 20:57.11 | wifi-tam | crotte01: fark...i had that problem before with a speedtouch modem |
| 20:57.14 | cromd | you're right about that lazarus, i'm not here nearly as often as i'd like to be, i wish i could just stay here all the time, it'd be better than any university degree, that's for sure :) |
| 20:57.18 | TimEmerick | holycow: I recompiled with the Very Verbose Instructions I sent you. It was a piece of cake. |
| 20:57.27 | Gathond | holycow: security fixes are backported to the debian package with 2.4.18 |
| 20:57.29 | pole | http://setpyul.com/log <- this is what i get when i plug in my usb hdd... can anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong? this is 2.6.0 btw... |
| 20:57.34 | lazarus | cromd: if you don't know the material as well as "that guy over there who is active right now" i thiink people often remain silent |
| 20:57.38 | crotte01 | wifi-tam Aha, and did you find a solution? |
| 20:57.40 | Gathond | holycow: the brk thing is fixed in 2.4.18-12 |
| 20:57.44 | holycow | redrick, no i'm just confused as to the info i googled up. some of it says compile from tar, others suggest that apt offers a few time saving steps |
| 20:57.46 | lilo | (hey hax) |
| 20:57.57 | holycow | i'm looking for the debian way of course :) |
| 20:58.00 | redrick | holycow: As Gathond says, if you're looking for the brk() security fix, it's in the backport kernels. |
| 20:58.00 | lazarus | cromd: and the other: i'm about to leave in 5 minutes, and that's a 15 minute issue |
| 20:58.00 | hax | lol |
| 20:58.03 | lazarus | cromd: :) |
| 20:58.03 | hax | lilo: long day? |
| 20:58.10 | holycow | time thats awesome i needed that, thank you :) |
| 20:58.13 | lilo | hax: hmmm, long year 8) |
| 20:58.20 | holycow | gath oh really? |
| 20:58.23 | hax | heh, you know it |
| 20:58.32 | wifi-tam | crotte01: no lol. i bought a router |
| 20:58.42 | lazarus | cromd: here, unlike your paid days, we can elect to just not address a "call" :) |
| 20:58.50 | legolas | no help/opinions? what did you do ? |
| 20:58.52 | Gathond | holycow: yes, stables 2.4.18 kernel package has a -12 version with that bug fixed ... it should be on security.debian.org |
| 20:58.55 | redrick | holycow: Well, I can offer more confusing info. sources. ;-> "Information" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian has a kernel section. |
| 20:58.58 | galois | holycow: you want a kernel which isn't packaged |
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| 20:59.07 | galois | holycow: thus you must first build a package |
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| 20:59.13 | crotte01 | wifi-tam well-heeled :) I keep my old dial up modem in COM1 just for FAXes and Minitel use, but it's a pretty inelegant solution :) |
| 20:59.14 | medusaXX | hi |
| 20:59.16 | holycow | red *nod* thats actually the answer i'm aming at :) |
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| 20:59.24 | lazarus | lilo: happy boxing day :) hang in there the year is almost done :) |
| 20:59.25 | snoke | witch is newer 2.6 or 2.6.0-test9 ? |
| 20:59.27 | holycow | galois: *nod* :) k. |
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| 20:59.31 | paulswm | holycow: you can compile it the debian way once you get the tarball |
| 20:59.31 | lilo | lazarus: hehe, thanks :) |
| 20:59.37 | cromd | lazarus, that's most unfortunate when that happens ... people being nasty to those they help ... i remember when i was working for computerbank and we were giving away computers and networks, people would be quite different when they were getting something for free ... they expected more, as if they deserved it inherrently and we were their slaves (not everyone mark you, but enough for it to be a noticeable phenomena) and |
| 20:59.37 | cromd | ight nasty about it ... we had a joke about it ... where's my free nelson mandela ... that's pretty well what it was like too |
| 20:59.38 | lazarus | snoke: test* is old |
| 20:59.39 | medusaXX | i installed a 2.6 kernel and now my apache webserver segmentation faults when starting |
| 20:59.41 | redrick | snoke: The former. |
| 20:59.43 | wifi-tam | crotte01: seriously. get a router, it's the way to go |
| 20:59.43 | medusaXX | any ideas? |
| 21:00.02 | paulswm | lazarus: thanks for the entertainment, which is not exactly how you saw the day :) |
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| 21:00.06 | cromd | lazarus, i'm not sure about that /msg thing ... what does that mean? |
| 21:00.16 | crotte01 | wifi-tam OK I'll speak to Father Christmas - maybe he has some left overs:) |
| 21:00.17 | legolas | lazarus: do you have symlikgs from gcc to gcc-3.0 for example? |
| 21:00.31 | jholt | snoke, go into the ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6 and check the dates on both files |
| 21:00.39 | wifi-tam | crotte01: they are pretty cheap these days |
| 21:00.43 | bpence | Anyone have any idea how to make a Logitech Quickcam Messenger work? |
| 21:00.44 | paulswm | lilo: a statistical spike in the numbers of dimwits and trolls today |
| 21:00.45 | crotte01 | ~lart crotte01 |
| 21:00.51 | wifi-tam | lol |
| 21:01.00 | galois | crotte01: failing that best buy ... |
| 21:01.04 | cromd | aha ... good point lazarus ... here it's a community thing whereas help-desk is very one-to-one ... if you flounder you pretty well do it on your own :) |
| 21:01.20 | lilo | best to just back away quietly when you don't want to support somebody....in particular, if you think someone wants attention, maybe no one will give it to them, and that may help some |
| 21:01.26 | crotte01 | galois go on :) |
| 21:01.27 | nion | Anyone have any cron experience? I'm trying to get cron to run an import command (auto screenshot thing) but for some reason it'll execute the command once, but then it won't again |
| 21:01.33 | tommyj | how do I force an umount? |
| 21:01.34 | lilo | almost anything you say about it will give them attention though |
| 21:01.38 | tommyj | -f doesn't seem to work |
| 21:01.45 | lilo | calm helps |
| 21:01.57 | tommyj | and how do I kill all processes with one specific file opened? |
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| 21:01.59 | paulswm | lilo: valium, too :) |
| 21:02.06 | galois | crotte01: I meant the store :) but netgear ones make cheap stylish additions to your home |
| 21:02.07 | legolas | are debian users alwas so friendlY ? +-( |
| 21:02.08 | cromd | lazarus, that was a complete pain in the neck with helpdesk, if you didn't deal with something quickly and smartly, you could easily lose your 15 minute break :-( |
| 21:02.12 | lazarus | paulswm: it's been fun :) |
| 21:02.15 | galois | legolas: generally we are |
| 21:02.24 | crotte01 | galois OK THX |
| 21:02.24 | cromd | LOL ... not address a call ... what a luxery :) |
| 21:02.24 | lilo | paulswm: well, IRC is funny; sometimes we just get up and take a walk.....these things happen :) |
| 21:02.27 | paulswm | lazarus: happy boxing day from us here in florida |
| 21:02.29 | legolas | galois: :-) |
| 21:02.55 | lazarus | paulswm: gracias :) y tu |
| 21:02.56 | crotte01 | OK guys & gals - Back to the piano. THX for your communal help - router-wise |
| 21:02.58 | tommyj | this just happened; my external usb-harddrive suddenly stopped responding and I got this message in all terminals: FarSite kernel: journal-601, buffer write failed |
| 21:03.13 | legolas | galois: it takes me a few seconds to create the symlinks. I wanted to know though if debian could create and so manage them automatially |
| 21:03.20 | lazarus | cromd: one more thing, about here vs there |
| 21:03.24 | galois | crotte01: have fun (missed what the problems were earlier) |
| 21:03.43 | galois | legolas: not a clue I am afraid |
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| 21:03.51 | lazarus | cromd: "user: do the following dangerous thing" will usually get many cries of "user: NO! DON'T!" |
| 21:03.59 | galois | legolas: I would guess it would, but no actual knowledge |
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| 21:04.07 | tommyj | and now I've got processes just hanging trying to access the drive |
| 21:04.13 | paulswm | lilo: you are right about quietly ignoring, that's a good approach |
| 21:04.14 | crotte01 | galois OK Pbs were accessing FGAX & (FRA)Minitel with a DSL Modem (Speedtouch 330) there NOT being any dial out feature incorporated |
| 21:04.14 | tommyj | anyone? help? |
| 21:04.20 | crotte01 | FAX |
| 21:04.37 | redrick | cromd: I mention in the LUG HOWO that there's a culture clash between the gift culture and the value-everything-at-acquisition-cost culture. |
| 21:04.44 | DelEat | how do I tail stdout? |
| 21:05.00 | TimEmerick | crotte01: fax?? |
| 21:05.02 | cromd | justin_ ... if no-one's offended then no need to perpetuate it then ... leave it be ... we don't need it (not having a go at you mate, but if everybody's ok, then that's good, enough said and all that :) |
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| 21:05.11 | crotte01 | TimEmerick Yep FAX |
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| 21:05.26 | bizkit | i'm using qmail with vpopmail and i changed the /etc/init.d/qmail to use /var/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw instead of the qmail checkpassword utility, and now _only_ virtual accounts work, local unix users can't login |
| 21:05.38 | holycow | :D |
| 21:05.39 | TimEmerick | crotte01: looking to setup fax or just throwing things out for fun? ;-) |
| 21:05.56 | cromd | lazarus, that's a very good point, here you |
| 21:06.03 | crotte01 | TimEmerick Trying to find a solution to send Faxes with a Speedtouch 330 |
| 21:06.06 | galois | holycow: screen is your friend :) |
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| 21:06.18 | galois | crotte01: you willing to pay for it? |
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| 21:06.23 | lazarus | cromd: that said, i've seen some seriously dangerous "advice" that wasn't challenged then :( |
| 21:06.25 | cromd | lazarus, sorry about that ... but it's a good point, here you've got people helping people helping people ... i reckon it's beautiful :) |
| 21:06.34 | crotte01 | TimEmerick The solution prolly exists but I haven't come across it |
| 21:06.46 | lazarus | cromd: all the clueful were snoozing over their caffeine? :) |
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| 21:06.49 | galois | crotte01: get a splitter (phone/data) and plug a modem into the phone part |
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| 21:06.56 | crotte01 | TimEmerick If I can avoid it, obviously not :) |
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| 21:07.07 | Supaplex | what package owns /usr/share/groff/1.17.2/font/devhtml/DESC ? I don't have the package installed (yet...) |
| 21:07.10 | galois | crotte01: if you can pay then use an email -> fax service |
| 21:07.11 | angelgabriel | which CD iso's do I need to download in order to do a full debian install? |
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| 21:07.16 | crotte01 | galois yep |
| 21:07.24 | cromd | per haps, but it just goes to show that if you don't know the answer, like really know it, then you're probably better off not stuffing someone around i suppose |
| 21:07.27 | lazarus | cromd: one other nice thing about here vs there too, re: community ... you know the perl slogan? TMTOWTDI |
| 21:07.27 | crotte01 | galois OK |
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| 21:07.41 | angelgabriel | I've looked at an RSYNC repository, and there are TWELVE iso files |
| 21:07.43 | streuner | angelgabriel: one |
| 21:07.47 | Supaplex | angelgabriel will you have an internet connection on the system you plan to install on? |
| 21:07.49 | lazarus | dpkg: +TMTOWTDI |
| 21:07.49 | crotte01 | bb-much-l |
| 21:07.49 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 21:07.50 | galois | crotte01: as well ask how to use a T1 to send faxes |
| 21:07.52 | cromd | sorry lazarus, the perl slogan is a new one for me ... how does it go? |
| 21:08.01 | crotte01 | galois k |
| 21:08.02 | lazarus | cromd: (dpkg ^^) |
| 21:08.04 | streuner | angelgabriel: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:08.04 | crotte01 | bye* |
| 21:08.14 | tempo | i have two VirtualHost's (apache httpd.conf) - for some reason only the first one is working. the second one always goes to the DocumentRoot of the first one. why is that? |
| 21:08.31 | simonrvn | look at your config for the answers |
| 21:08.38 | galois | anyone familiar with grub? |
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| 21:08.53 | streuner | !tell galois about ask |
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| 21:09.13 | nk_ | hi guys. I |
| 21:09.21 | lazarus | cromd: here i'll tell someone that can't umount how to tell what process has the file open, someone else will tell another, someone ele chimes in a third |
| 21:09.24 | galois | streuner: thanks, it is fairly quiet in here atm |
| 21:09.43 | nk_ | m in real trouble. upgraded my system from woody to sarge... on reboot, only "LI" stands there and system hangs... any way to recover my system? |
| 21:09.52 | lazarus | cromd: o if "fuser" doesn't work ... :) also, everyone learns 3 that might only have known 1 |
| 21:09.59 | nk_ | booting from debian-install-disc into rescue mode fails, cause root fs is not mountable -> kernel panic |
| 21:10.01 | cromd | ah sorry about that lazarus, i've just got what you're talking about with messaging ... i've got some funny settings on this X-Chat client and haven't quite worked them out yet ... (i always preferred bitchx :) |
| 21:10.01 | lazarus | cromd: s/o/so/ |
| 21:10.25 | lazarus | cromd: yeah, that person /msg'd me later, so we figured it out :) |
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| 21:10.35 | galois | is "grub-install /dev/hda" fairly foolproof for a given value of fool? |
| 21:10.41 | michael1234 | ok how do you activate the tunnel module in the kernel |
| 21:10.42 | lazarus | cromd: i prefer irssi btw :) |
| 21:11.08 | TimEmerick | anybody have any links to convert a RH system to debian? |
| 21:11.08 | cromd | i've heard about it, people rave about it ... what are the advantages to irssi? |
| 21:11.10 | tommyj | anyone? how do I force unmounting of a filesystem? |
| 21:11.18 | lazarus | nk_: /msg dpkg LI |
| 21:11.21 | galois | nk_: netinstall cd -> rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 21:11.33 | tommyj | even though there's processes using the filesystem (which I can't kill, don't know why) |
| 21:11.48 | Gathond | tommyj: -f |
| 21:11.52 | streuner | tommyi: still in a shell, which is in path of the mounted FS? |
| 21:11.59 | tommyj | Gathond: I just get umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 21:12.03 | qwerty- | can someone tell me why dont I have /usr/src/linux ? |
| 21:12.12 | snoke | can i set some where when make-kpkg runs make add it a param -j ? or add default to make run -j option ? |
| 21:12.16 | Pryon | no kernel source installed? |
| 21:12.16 | galois | qwerty-: you don't have the source installed? |
| 21:12.23 | tommyj | streuner: nope |
| 21:12.25 | Gathond | but im not sure it will let you if something uses it .. since that woulr potentially destroy the filesystem unmounting it during a write operation |
| 21:12.32 | qwerty- | Pryon how do I install source? |
| 21:12.32 | lazarus | snoke: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 21:12.45 | nk_ | lazarus, galois: well my disk isn |
| 21:12.52 | Pryon | qwerty- : 'apt-get install kernel-source-<appropriate version here> |
| 21:12.55 | Pryon | ' |
| 21:12.56 | snoke | lazarus: ok, thx |
| 21:12.59 | nk_ | 't too large... anyway, I CAN'T bootup into rescue mode :/ |
| 21:13.11 | nk_ | started knoppix right now... but I can't edit the lilo.conf there... |
| 21:13.14 | lazarus | nk_: you use your rescue media,. not the hard drive |
| 21:13.18 | tommyj | streuner: the drive suddenly stopped respoinding, and now I've got 2 processes hanging, trying to access the drive... |
| 21:13.22 | legolas | qwerty-: did you isntall the sources? |
| 21:13.24 | cromd | lazarus, what are the advantages to irsii? |
| 21:13.39 | tommyj | streuner: fuser -k -v -m didn't manage to kill them |
| 21:13.40 | nk_ | lazarus: well... but I'm right, that I have to insert debian isntall-disc with boot-param "rescue"? after that I get a kernel panic... |
| 21:13.45 | lazarus | cromd: long long list :) but one big one is excellent muulti-network suppport |
| 21:13.45 | streuner | tommyj: did you try to kill the processes? |
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| 21:13.51 | tommyj | streuner: ifcourse. |
| 21:13.53 | tommyj | *of |
| 21:13.54 | qwerty- | Pryon i did that: i installed 2.4.22, and ln -s kernel-source-* linux |
| 21:14.04 | qwerty- | Pryon what's next |
| 21:14.05 | tommyj | streuner: but no use :( |
| 21:14.15 | protoloco__ | What this means ?? |
| 21:14.17 | Pryon | qwerty- : you must unpack the source before you make that link |
| 21:14.18 | protoloco__ | root@linux log # /etc/init.d/snort restart |
| 21:14.18 | protoloco__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.18 | protoloco__ | start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 29422: No such process |
| 21:14.23 | cromd | multi-network support's got to be worth investigating ... i might give it a whirl later, thanks for mentioing it lazarus |
| 21:14.30 | tommyj | protoloco__: snort is not running |
| 21:14.32 | lazarus | nk_: yuo're in the knoppix thing now, mount your root and edit the /mountpointhere/etc/lilo.conf |
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| 21:14.34 | streuner | tommyj: reboot, if you can. |
| 21:14.43 | tommyj | streuner: that's my ONLY option!? |
| 21:14.44 | Korn | anyone know a good Mail client? to received and send? |
| 21:14.50 | lazarus | cromd: multiprotocol too :) /verion me :) |
| 21:14.56 | magix | Korn: qmail |
| 21:15.04 | protoloco__ | tommyj, yes, but why ? |
| 21:15.06 | lazarus | cromd: oops |
| 21:15.11 | streuner | tommyj: there should be others, but don't know it yet ;-) |
| 21:15.13 | lazarus | Irssi 0.8.9(20031210) - http://irssi.org || SILC 1.0 (plugin) - http://silcnet.org |
| 21:15.14 | tommyj | protoloco__: because I don't want to reboot :P |
| 21:15.17 | lazarus | cromd: ^^^] |
| 21:15.21 | qwerty- | Pryon as sorry i did that to tar -jxvf ..than ln -s ... |
| 21:15.24 | holycow | korn, thunderbird has always been good to me |
| 21:15.25 | holycow | *shrug* |
| 21:15.28 | galois | qwerty-: tar -xvvjf kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2 |
| 21:15.38 | Supaplex | I have 2 default routes to the internet. one via cablemodem, and the other via dsl. I have an alias interface of eth0:1 to cover dsl (backup). I want all connections to try cable first (eth0), then failback to dsl (eth0:1). Does a metric on the routing table have anything to do with this, or should I look in something else? (and what?) |
| 21:15.43 | lazarus | cromd: some third protocol too, big in obsd developer circles, which i can't recall the name of offhand |
| 21:15.56 | tommyj | streuner: ok thanks |
| 21:16.04 | galois | Korn: thunderbird |
| 21:16.09 | magix | blle |
| 21:16.15 | Korn | ~search packages |
| 21:16.18 | tommyj | anyone? how can I kill processes I can't manage to kill with kill -9 ? |
| 21:16.21 | qwerty- | galois i did that |
| 21:16.28 | Pryon | qwerty- : if you did 'tar jxvf kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz; ln -s kernel-source-2.4.22 linux' then I don't know what your problem is :-/ |
| 21:16.29 | lazarus | tommyj: BRS |
| 21:16.29 | paulswm | Korn: my vote's also for thunderbird |
| 21:16.35 | tommyj | lazarus: BS? |
| 21:16.37 | tommyj | *BRS |
| 21:16.46 | streuner | ~brs |
| 21:16.47 | magix | vote qmail |
| 21:16.50 | galois | in which case you should have a kernel-source-2.4.23 directory |
| 21:16.51 | Korn | E: Couldn't find package thunderbird |
| 21:16.52 | qwerty- | Pryon is thats all? do i have to add in /etc/lilo.conf something....* |
| 21:16.53 | qwerty- | ? |
| 21:16.56 | tommyj | `brs |
| 21:16.56 | lazarus | dpkg: +BRS |
| 21:16.57 | dpkg | somebody said brs was the Big Red Switch |
| 21:17.08 | streuner | haha |
| 21:17.10 | Pryon | qwerty- : lilo doesn't care if you've got the source installed |
| 21:17.10 | tommyj | lazarus: bleeeh |
| 21:17.16 | `Butthead | tommyj: is it a zombie process? |
| 21:17.24 | qwerty- | Pryon well I want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.0 |
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| 21:17.35 | lazarus | qwerty-: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:17.37 | tommyj | `Butthead: how do I know? |
| 21:17.51 | `Butthead | tommyj: does it have the word defunct?? |
| 21:17.58 | galois | qwerty-: download the 2.6 source |
| 21:18.02 | `Butthead | what you do a ps aux? |
| 21:18.06 | galois | place it in /usr/src |
| 21:18.10 | Korn | so whats a good client to check mail plz? |
| 21:18.10 | galois | extract |
| 21:18.11 | lazarus | tommyj: zombies are alreddy dead, you can't kill them |
| 21:18.13 | cromd | lazarus, i've not checked any of this stuff out (linux is so big it scares me, and not just sometimes :), there's a lot more to IRC than i even suspected |
| 21:18.18 | galois | Korn: thunderbird |
| 21:18.27 | galois | Korn: mozilla.org |
| 21:18.30 | Korn | but i cant download it how do you download thunderbird galois |
| 21:18.32 | Korn | oh mozilla.org |
| 21:18.38 | tommyj | `Butthead: yes, the 'D' status symbol? |
| 21:18.41 | lazarus | cromd: if you get into it, here's my recommendation: learn the basics, play for a week |
| 21:18.42 | streuner | Korn: gkrellm |
| 21:18.42 | nk_ | lazarus: hm... what should I choose for map=/directory? I tried /boot/map and /mnt/hda1/boot/ but both can't be created cause it's a read-only fs |
| 21:18.44 | holycow | apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird |
| 21:18.47 | holycow | thats how korn |
| 21:18.58 | tommyj | lazarus: well, what is using my drive then? |
| 21:18.58 | galois | holycow: thanks |
| 21:18.59 | Korn | oh ok thnx |
| 21:19.01 | lazarus | cromd: then learn one command WELL each day, /help foo :) /help connect for example |
| 21:19.05 | `Butthead | tommyj: no it iwll say defunct, what are you trying to kill? |
| 21:19.17 | tommyj | `Butthead: ps aux? |
| 21:19.21 | galois | grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda |
| 21:19.21 | galois | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 21:19.21 | galois | The file /boot/boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
| 21:19.22 | tommyj | `Butthead: I did ps aux... |
| 21:19.23 | lazarus | tommyj: you haven't told me enough info |
| 21:19.24 | galois | suggestions? |
| 21:19.26 | holycow | if you are stable go to backports.org and add one or two of their mirrors to your sources.list file in /etc/apt |
| 21:19.35 | holycow | if you are using stable i mean |
| 21:19.37 | qwerty- | does anyone have 2.6.0? |
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| 21:19.43 | galois | qwerty-: kernel.org |
| 21:19.45 | lazarus | nk_: you mounted your hd ro? |
| 21:19.46 | cromd | lazarus, that's a bloody good idea, sounds a lot like bhudda actually, what did he say, something like the journey of a thousand steps ... :) |
| 21:19.54 | lazarus | cromd: :) |
| 21:20.02 | qwerty- | galois I mean installed on his machine |
| 21:20.09 | paulswm | holycow: heh, "if you are stable" |
| 21:20.09 | nk_ | lazarus: hm... no. it's something like chroot /mnt/hda1 or s.th.? :/ |
| 21:20.09 | holycow | galois: no prob :) |
| 21:20.10 | galois | qwerty-: I did have |
| 21:20.23 | holycow | paulswm: hehe :) |
| 21:20.24 | `Butthead | tommyj: what are you trying to kill? |
| 21:20.27 | lazarus | cromd: the basics bit is to be able to work, to know your comfort zone ... the /help part is to grow |
| 21:20.32 | qwerty- | did? why dont you have it now? |
| 21:20.44 | Flane | hi, anybondy can tell me a mirror of xfree 4.3 for woody ? |
| 21:20.45 | lazarus | nk_: uunsure |
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| 21:21.00 | streuner | Flane: /msg dpkg xf4.3 debs |
| 21:21.02 | galois | Flane: apt.org |
| 21:21.04 | lazarus | Flane: seen apt-get.org yet? |
| 21:21.11 | tommyj | lazarus: sorry, suddenly my external USB-drive stopped responding, and all my processes accessing that filesystem terminated. I got this message from syslog in all terminals: FarSite kernel: journal-601, buffer write failed ... now I'm trying to umount the filesystem but it says Device or resource busy... There's 2 processes accessing the filesystem, but I can't manage to kill any of them with kill(all) -9! |
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| 21:21.16 | Flane | lazarus, galois: thnx |
| 21:21.17 | tommyj | `Butthead: xmms and ls |
| 21:21.18 | galois | *cough* apt-get.org |
| 21:21.29 | tommyj | `Butthead: read message to lazarus |
| 21:21.32 | cromd | lazarus: makes sense ... i too easily get my work hat on well before i've hit the work and start so focused i almost carve myself up ... no room for growth with that model ... i've got to make a change |
| 21:21.36 | lazarus | tommyj: ouch |
| 21:21.41 | tommyj | lazarus: yep :S |
| 21:21.50 | tommyj | hope there's nothing wrong with the drive :S |
| 21:21.54 | liter_is_better | Is it possible to extract a .deb from an installed system? |
| 21:21.55 | lazarus | cromd: yeah, one /help foo per day :) |
| 21:21.56 | galois | anyone got any leads on my grub error? |
| 21:21.57 | `Butthead | tommyj: thats becuse the USB will still try to access the drive. |
| 21:21.58 | tommyj | lazarus: is the only way to reboot? |
| 21:22.04 | lazarus | tommyj: hmmm |
| 21:22.12 | lazarus | tommyj: probably no, but let me think |
| 21:22.24 | tommyj | `Butthead: oh? don't think so... |
| 21:22.26 | nk_ | lazarus: hm... sry, but could you tell me the command? I know that it's quite lame now from me, but I have to recover my system fast and can't read mans now... but I'll do when the system runs again immediately, I promise |
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| 21:22.32 | `Butthead | tommyj: I had that problem, you ahve to get the USB drive back into the system, remount it, then you can unmount it properly |
| 21:22.34 | lazarus | tommyj: which two processes? |
| 21:22.34 | SheDevil | I need help with people really experienced with hardware... I'm trying to get an asus motherboard working, and I'm having problems... is there somewhere I can go (I looked in #hardware)? I need someone really basically obsessed with hardware... |
| 21:22.43 | nk_ | i still can't write lilo.conf, though I did chroot /mnt/hda1 |
| 21:22.45 | TimEmerick | any ideas on how to switch from Red Hat to Debian without destroying my data and /etc/files? |
| 21:22.46 | tommyj | lazarus: 'xmms' and 'ls' |
| 21:22.47 | `Butthead | tommyj: when ever my USB drive crashes, I get the same problem. |
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| 21:22.53 | lazarus | tommyj: hmm |
| 21:23.05 | SheDevil | Lilo freezes (I just get the "L") and a windows boot disk takes (almost exactly) 3 minutes to boot |
| 21:23.05 | tommyj | `Butthead: hmm, does that happen often? |
| 21:23.08 | `Butthead | tommyj: let me guess xmms was playing mp3's off the drive? |
| 21:23.16 | SheDevil | I got the motherboard and processor yesterday. |
| 21:23.18 | tommyj | `Butthead: bingo |
| 21:23.22 | `Butthead | tommyj: only when the USB drive goes all stupid. |
| 21:23.25 | lazarus | nk_: can you do the mount remount rw thing? |
| 21:23.26 | interoz | nk_: repeat the problem please |
| 21:23.26 | redrick | TimEmerick: Keeping your data's no problem, but /etc isn't generally very compatible across any two distributions. |
| 21:23.31 | JoePenguin | TimEmerick: put the contents of /etc/files into a seperate partition which you will not format when you install another distro |
| 21:23.32 | tommyj | `Butthead: what to do? |
| 21:23.41 | lazarus | interoz: i think he needs /mnt/hda1 to be rw |
| 21:23.49 | interoz | lazarus: using knoppix? |
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| 21:23.52 | JoePenguin | TimEmerick: oh. you mean everything in /etc |
| 21:23.58 | lazarus | interoz: semi, yeah |
| 21:24.11 | lazarus | interoz: debian is hosed, knoppix was his rescue method |
| 21:24.12 | nk_ | interoz: well, my system doesn't come up any more. hangs while showing LI. now I started knoppix, I am in the root shell and try to repair the mbr |
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| 21:24.31 | lazarus | interoz: his goal is to repair debian |
| 21:24.32 | interoz | lazarus: he need to mount -bind /dev /hdX/dev |
| 21:24.33 | redrick | TimEmerick: I'd put a date-stamped tarball of /etc somewhere with your files, then _refer_ to it in customising the replacement Debian system. Can't just reuse the contents, unfortunately. Been there. |
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| 21:24.41 | `Butthead | tommyj: yeah then if you want to get those process to stop, you have to get the USB drive remounted, its just like when you lose a NFS mount. IT will sit there for a while. See if yo ucan get the drive back up, remounted to the same mount point you typed ls in and the same mount point xmms is playing from (well trying to play from) |
| 21:24.41 | tommyj | `Butthead: the usb drivers are listed in lsmod |
| 21:24.42 | lazarus | interoz: tell him :) |
| 21:24.47 | DelEat | damn, xvolume is a nice tool! |
| 21:24.48 | interoz | lol |
| 21:24.56 | interoz | nk_: mount -bind /dev /hdX/dev |
| 21:24.57 | publunch | Thanks for the help people |
| 21:24.57 | elephantman | Is it possible to plug a scanner & a printer on a debian server AND to access thoses ressources from windows clients using windows scanning software (or printing software) ? |
| 21:25.01 | `Butthead | tommyj: so, is the drive hooked up, mounted, and working? |
| 21:25.11 | streuner | nk_: why don't you use a resuce-floppy?+ |
| 21:25.13 | tommyj | `Butthead: not yet ... |
| 21:25.15 | tommyj | lemme try |
| 21:25.15 | TimEmerick | Joe: yeah. I'm not sure what to nuke and what to keep if I switch distro's. Data is on a separate partition. I would probably just copy /etc over to the data partition. Then what? reformat root partition when installing debian? |
| 21:25.18 | `Butthead | elephantman: yes, use samba |
| 21:25.22 | publunch | Tomorrow's problem is printing. But that is tomorrow's problem. |
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| 21:25.24 | interoz | nk_: where hdX is what you chrooted before |
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| 21:25.36 | tommyj | `Butthead: impossible to mount it |
| 21:25.44 | cromd | elephantman ... i've not done it, but i know it's possible, seen it done with a scanner |
| 21:25.45 | `Butthead | elephantman: I dont think you will get teh scanner tho, but you will get a network printer. |
| 21:25.58 | tommyj | `Butthead: argh, now the mount process is hanging too |
| 21:25.59 | nk_ | interoz: hm... so in my case mount -bind /dev /hda1/dev :/ but it fails... I just get the mount-help... |
| 21:26.03 | `Butthead | tommyj: see at this point I would have lost patients, and rebooted. |
| 21:26.09 | lazarus | tommyj: -o remount |
| 21:26.13 | DelEat | is there a place (man page?) where I can see a list of colors that .Xdefaults apps will accept??? |
| 21:26.14 | cromd | it's possible ... from what i heard it only involved having the right drivers |
| 21:26.15 | tommyj | lazarus: ok, thanks.. |
| 21:26.16 | TimEmerick | JoePenguin: Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:26.17 | `Butthead | tommyj: CTRL+ALT+SYSREQ+U |
| 21:26.22 | lazarus | tommyj: worth a try |
| 21:26.25 | interoz | nk_: mount -bind /dev /mnt/hda1/dev or whatever the path is |
| 21:26.31 | elephantman | `Butthead: ok thanx |
| 21:26.40 | interoz | nk_: exit the chroot'd enviroment |
| 21:26.44 | tommyj | lazarus: nope, no reply. maybe turn on and off the drive (haven't done this after the problems occur) |
| 21:26.46 | elephantman | `Butthead: you are shure about the scanner |
| 21:26.47 | oskie | actually Alt+PrtScr (SysRq) will do |
| 21:26.48 | nk_ | yes... now it works |
| 21:26.58 | interoz | nk_: okay, try to run lilo now |
| 21:26.58 | nk_ | your command I mean interoz ... mount... and now? |
| 21:26.59 | `Butthead | elephantman: no. |
| 21:26.59 | lazarus | tommyj: yeah, try that once |
| 21:27.08 | tommyj | `Butthead: how often has your USB drive hung? |
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| 21:27.15 | nk_ | interoz: Fatal: creat /boot/map: Read-only file system |
| 21:27.16 | lazarus | tommyj: and then try it with a $TIMEOUT between off and on |
| 21:27.18 | `Butthead | tommyj: once. |
| 21:27.24 | interoz | nk_: then lazarun was right |
| 21:27.35 | lazarus | tommyj: 30s? 180s? no idea |
| 21:27.36 | tommyj | `Butthead: oh... how long was it turned on that time? |
| 21:27.36 | `Butthead | tommyj: its a digital camera, an dthe batteries died. |
| 21:27.37 | interoz | nk_: remount it rw and do the same thing |
| 21:27.45 | tommyj | `Butthead: oh |
| 21:28.08 | nk_ | okay, I'll try. thx so long |
| 21:28.09 | cromd | wait a tick elephantman ... i'll try and find the reference for you |
| 21:28.10 | tommyj | nope, no reply... |
| 21:28.12 | `Butthead | tommyj: but I take it your drive dosent have an external power source? |
| 21:28.13 | lazarus | interoz: can you handle nk_ so i can goo? |
| 21:28.24 | interoz | lazarus: i hope ;) take care |
| 21:28.28 | lazarus | interoz: thanks |
| 21:28.31 | tommyj | `Butthead: it does have an external power source. |
| 21:28.50 | lazarus | `Butthead: can you handle tommyj so i can go? |
| 21:28.56 | streuner | nk_: tldp.org LILO-Resue-HOWTO might help... |
| 21:28.58 | `Butthead | tommyj: oh, well then unplug it, plug it back it |
| 21:29.06 | tommyj | `Butthead: k... |
| 21:29.12 | streuner | s/Resue/Rescue/ |
| 21:29.15 | interoz | lazarus: sale season? ;) |
| 21:29.19 | `Butthead | tommyj: "reboot" the drive so to say, and see if the USB mounted drive comes back |
| 21:29.23 | redrick | `Butthead: Scanner software I know of on Linux: SANE-compatible, and proprietary VueScan. See "Help Resources" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Hardware |
| 21:29.24 | `Butthead | lazarus: ? sure |
| 21:29.29 | lazarus | `Butthead: tommyj: leave it unplugged 2 monutes too, ,if it doens't work the first trty |
| 21:29.35 | tommyj | `Butthead: that's what I tried |
| 21:29.36 | DelEat | rgb.txt |
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| 21:29.40 | nk_ | streuner: ah nice... thx for this one |
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| 21:29.47 | apnm | re |
| 21:29.49 | tommyj | `Butthead: this doesn't look good: output from dmesg: SCSI disk error : host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 8000000 |
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| 21:29.54 | streuner | nk_: TOM Rescue floppy won't work to repair LILO... |
| 21:30.02 | tommyj | `Butthead: pm? |
| 21:30.05 | `Butthead | redrick: I have a scanner that works in linux, but thanks, elephantman wants the scanner/printer combo to work over a smb mount from a windows to linux |
| 21:30.07 | lazarus | `Butthead: tommyj: sometimes things want to "timeout" and sometimes hardware wants to clear it's little internal "mind" |
| 21:30.08 | nk_ | interoz: well... I reboot knoppix now, UMOUNT /dev/hda1, remount it RW and after this procedures again trying your mount --bind-command? |
| 21:30.12 | apnm | fuffy, thx, klappt jetzt, aber gibts ne alternative, sodass es mit dem nat klappt ohnen nen username einzutragen |
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| 21:30.17 | nk_ | streuner: unfortunately now floppy drive in my system... :/ |
| 21:30.25 | interoz | nk_: exactly, but no need to reboot |
| 21:30.30 | `Butthead | tommyj: give it a minute |
| 21:30.34 | tommyj | lazarus: hmmm... |
| 21:30.36 | tommyj | `Butthead: k |
| 21:30.38 | elephantman | `Butthead: i will report if it works |
| 21:30.40 | `Butthead | tommyj: like lazarus just said. |
| 21:30.45 | streuner | nk_: well, then i saved the next hint ;-) |
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| 21:30.51 | interoz | nk_: and yes, after it all, lilo should run |
| 21:31.27 | `Butthead | elephantman: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/introduction.html <--- go there, it will give you step by step ways to share linux printer to a networked windows computer |
| 21:31.34 | tommyj | `Butthead: lazarus: dmesg also says: kernel BUG at prints.c:341! |
| 21:31.35 | tommyj | invalid operand: 0000 |
| 21:31.41 | nk_ | interoz: well... I'm not sure. I think running the upgrade to sarge changed my lilo.conf somehow, though I said don't change... guess I saw just a line like install=...boot.b or s.th... I'll remove it |
| 21:31.43 | tommyj | and then a stack dump |
| 21:31.49 | redrick | `Butthead: What I was suggesting is that, if there's any network access to Linux scanning, it would have to be via one of those two software options, so look there. |
| 21:31.51 | elephantman | `Butthead: thanx |
| 21:32.03 | `Butthead | redrick: ah. well. |
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| 21:32.18 | `Butthead | tommyj: Did you just try to rebuild the kernel or something? |
| 21:32.20 | interoz | nk_: not likely. try running lilo -v (verbose) and see the problem first |
| 21:32.27 | tommyj | `Butthead: no... |
| 21:32.32 | `Butthead | tommyj: or do like a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:32.35 | liter_is_better | I am trying to get some old debs to work with a dated "Testing" system that isn't connected to the internet. I have a few computers which were set up at the same time about a year and a half ago. On one system I have the package that isn't on the others. Is it possible to re-pack a .deb from an installed system so that I could put it on the other computer? |
| 21:32.36 | tommyj | `Butthead: that happened after the SCSI disk error |
| 21:32.39 | tommyj | `Butthead: noep |
| 21:32.41 | tommyj | *nope |
| 21:33.05 | cromd | elephantman ... just checked it out, i was mistaken, not a scanner but a camera ... sorry about that |
| 21:33.07 | ljlane | liter_is_better: dpkg-repack |
| 21:33.17 | `Butthead | okay, if you havent tried already, "reboot" the USB drive now. See if it restarts |
| 21:33.18 | tommyj | `Butthead: I compiled a new kernel for about 12 days ago... |
| 21:33.19 | elephantman | cromd: ok |
| 21:33.25 | tommyj | `Butthead: ok |
| 21:33.42 | `Butthead | tommyj: everythings worked since? You rebooted the system 12 days ago? |
| 21:33.53 | `Butthead | tommyj: and it all worked? |
| 21:33.53 | cromd | elephantman ... although ... you could run the gimp through ssh ;-) |
| 21:33.57 | liter_is_better | thank you |
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| 21:34.23 | tommyj | `Butthead: it all worked, but it has not been up for 12 days... |
| 21:34.38 | tommyj | `Butthead: ok, dmesg says new USB device ... |
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| 21:34.43 | tommyj | *trying to mount* |
| 21:34.46 | `Butthead | no |
| 21:34.49 | `Butthead | dont try to mount it |
| 21:34.56 | `Butthead | see if the existing mount grabs it |
| 21:35.12 | `Butthead | do you still have the screen you type ls in? |
| 21:35.12 | tommyj | `Butthead: nope |
| 21:35.16 | `Butthead | or did you close it? |
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| 21:35.23 | lazarus | liter_is_better: man dpkg-repack |
| 21:35.25 | steve4 | hello |
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| 21:35.40 | tommyj | `Butthead: closed it.. but it was not responding at all (well, input worked but no response from the process) |
| 21:35.49 | tommyj | `Butthead: no reply from ls either |
| 21:35.53 | tommyj | `Butthead: it's dead |
| 21:36.00 | tommyj | `Butthead: I guess reboot is the only way |
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| 21:36.13 | `Butthead | well |
| 21:36.17 | `Butthead | try to remout it |
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| 21:36.28 | tommyj | `Butthead: I had the same problem when I accidentally turned off the drive while it was mounted... :P |
| 21:36.43 | tommyj | `Butthead: I've tried, no response. I've got about 7 mount processes hanging now.. |
| 21:36.44 | galois | anyone know how to recreate a grub stage 2 file? |
| 21:36.49 | `Butthead | tommyj: heh, yes, you have to unmount before you turn it off. |
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| 21:37.00 | tommyj | `Butthead: I figured that out ;) |
| 21:37.16 | `Butthead | tommyj: you could try the sysreq unmount commant |
| 21:37.17 | `Butthead | erm |
| 21:37.18 | `Butthead | command. |
| 21:37.25 | `Butthead | and then remount the root system. |
| 21:37.29 | `Butthead | and start over. |
| 21:37.32 | `Butthead | Or just reboot it |
| 21:37.35 | oskie | galois: recreate? by compiling grub, I presume |
| 21:37.36 | tommyj | `Butthead: eep? |
| 21:37.44 | nk_ | interoz: well... did so, all commands successful (including yours) BUT... says I should edit my lilo.conf first... so I did lilo -C /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf but after that I get again "Fatal: creat /boot/map: read-only fs (guess it's the knoppix ram disc or s.th.) |
| 21:38.00 | tommyj | `Butthead: what does the sysreq unmount command do? |
| 21:38.06 | icecold | nk_: remount rw |
| 21:38.25 | `Butthead | tommyj: if you compiled the mayic sysreq key support into you kernel, hit CTL+ALT+sysrq+U |
| 21:38.28 | streuner | nk_: do you have the installCD handy? |
| 21:38.40 | nk_ | icecold: hm... but it's normal that after all the commands /etc is the knoppix etc and not mine? |
| 21:38.42 | `Butthead | it does an emergency unmount of all file systems. |
| 21:38.52 | `Butthead | and clears /etc/mtab |
| 21:38.54 | `Butthead | oh |
| 21:38.55 | nk_ | streuner: sure, but I can't boot into rescue-mode, I get a kernel panic that /dev/hda1 is not mountable |
| 21:38.57 | `Butthead | try that |
| 21:39.00 | galois | oskie: um ... I get error reading /boot/grub/stage2, how will recomipling help? |
| 21:39.11 | holycow | okay, if i upgrade via apt... how would i know that the 2.4.18-12 patch was applied? according to lists.debian.org, one can either apt-get upgrade with the security sources in the list file or download the .deb manually and install with dpkg ... how do i make sure the patch has been applied? |
| 21:39.12 | oskie | galois: you mean you can't boot your system? |
| 21:39.12 | `Butthead | try clearing /etc/mtab |
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| 21:39.28 | galois | oskie: that is when performing grub install |
| 21:39.33 | galois | oskie: that is when performing grub-install |
| 21:39.49 | `Butthead | thats worked for my for hung NFS mounts before. I cant see USB being any different. |
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| 21:40.00 | oskie | galois: so do you have a /boot/grub/stage2 file? how big is it in bytes? |
| 21:40.02 | streuner | nk_: what FS? |
| 21:40.07 | nk_ | streuner: ext3 |
| 21:40.09 | icecold | holycow: Are you asking how can you check which kernel is installed? |
| 21:40.10 | galois | yes and 1 sec |
| 21:40.15 | `Butthead | tommyj: edit /etc/mtab and remove the line(s) that have your USB drive. |
| 21:40.29 | tommyj | `Butthead: ok, 2 sec. |
| 21:40.31 | `Butthead | tommyj: then try to mount it again |
| 21:40.33 | nk_ | streuner: I could boot it up again to give you the whole failure-message |
| 21:40.38 | `Butthead | tommyj: if that dosent work, reboot. |
| 21:40.41 | galois | oskie: 103656 bytes |
| 21:40.44 | tommyj | `Butthead: it's not there :p |
| 21:40.46 | holycow | ice... okay yes :) heh i can google that, nm :) naturally the patch would update the kernel ident |
| 21:40.47 | steve4 | i need some help because my box don't want to boot anymore...the pb comes from lilo. I've just upgrade my woody to a sarge using apt-get upgrade (i modified the source.list ) but lilo doesn't work anymore....i get the two letters "LI" at boot time and nothing more. My box is "frozen". Can someone help help me ? |
| 21:40.55 | streuner | nk_: that's the reason why i use ext2 |
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| 21:41.00 | galois | oskie: should I reinstall? |
| 21:41.02 | tommyj | `Butthead: ok. I'll just reboot |
| 21:41.07 | nk_ | steve4: you're my man :) exactly same problem on my box right now... |
| 21:41.09 | interoz | nk_: are you sure you mounted it rw? |
| 21:41.09 | oskie | galois: sounds about right ... and when you run grub-install it complains that it cannot read the stage2 file? |
| 21:41.11 | icecold | steve4: need to upgrade using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:41.12 | `Butthead | tommyj: no line like none /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 |
| 21:41.15 | `Butthead | ? |
| 21:41.21 | galois | oskie: 1 further sec :) |
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| 21:41.29 | nk_ | interoz: well... yes. went into /mnt/hda1/etc and created a test-file there |
| 21:41.36 | galois | oskie: The file /boot/boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
| 21:41.37 | `Butthead | erm |
| 21:41.43 | steve4 | icecold: ok but i can't get the prompt |
| 21:41.45 | `Butthead | tommyj: no line like: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 |
| 21:41.46 | galois | oskie: seen it |
| 21:41.48 | icecold | steve4: I've had that problem before, need to rerun lilo |
| 21:41.54 | interoz | nk_: what does it say if you just write 'mount' ? |
| 21:41.54 | Frieza | Hy guys... |
| 21:42.08 | interoz | hy Frieza |
| 21:42.11 | icecold | steve4: download a bootable cd and then mount rw and run lilo |
| 21:42.12 | oskie | galois: hmm.. somehow it is looking in the wrong place... do you have a separate drive mounted on /boot? |
| 21:42.20 | nk_ | interoz: a lot... and "/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw)" |
| 21:42.23 | icecold | steve4: or boot disk |
| 21:42.26 | streuner | nk_: what with d-i backup iso? maybe it have ext3 in kernel? |
| 21:42.33 | streuner | s/what/what's |
| 21:42.36 | interoz | nk_: well it is rw ;) |
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| 21:42.45 | galois | oskie: I had the root-directory as /boot so it was looking for /boot/boot/grub/stage2 |
| 21:42.54 | interoz | nk_: can you now chroot /mnt/hda1 and run lilo -v ? |
| 21:43.04 | nk_ | interoz: indeed :) hm... well I guess the problem is, that my /mnt/hda1 is not the root-dir and so the pathes in lilo.conf are not correct... |
| 21:43.05 | oskie | galois: well, put / for root instead? i'm not sure.. |
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| 21:43.24 | nilb | hey all |
| 21:43.27 | galois | oskie: has worked, will see if the menu appears later |
| 21:43.31 | nk_ | interoz: yes... succeeds... moment please |
| 21:43.57 | steve4 | icecold : i haven't got the boot disk but i have a bootable cd. I've tried to mount my linux partition using the shell of the bootable cd but it seems to not work. I try again. |
| 21:43.58 | Frieza | Can I ask something? |
| 21:44.01 | nilb | can anyone tell me what version of gnome comes installed in the current version of sarge? |
| 21:44.02 | galois | Frieza: yes |
| 21:44.09 | Frieza | OK... |
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| 21:44.27 | interoz | Frieza: almost everything but those kind of question. just ask |
| 21:44.32 | nk_ | interoz: mh... just one warning "/proc/partitions does not exist. disk scan bypassed. last line: "Writing boot sector. /boot/boot.0300 exits - no boot sector backup copy made |
| 21:44.39 | icecold | nilb: apt-cache search gnome |
| 21:44.50 | nk_ | interoz: reboot now might be successful? |
| 21:44.59 | Frieza | I am using Knoppix(installed on HD) at the moment because my Debian CDs got broken... |
| 21:45.09 | interoz | nk_: should work i guess. come back to tell me in any case |
| 21:45.16 | galois | nilb: aptitude is nice |
| 21:45.17 | Frieza | And Id like to configure my WinModem... |
| 21:45.18 | nilb | oh yeah? its just that i'm pretty new to debian, i've been using redhat & mandrake |
| 21:45.25 | nilb | and im intending to switch now |
| 21:45.36 | Frieza | Debian is the best... |
| 21:45.42 | steve4 | icecold : can i tell you in real time what i do ? |
| 21:45.43 | nk_ | interoz: I'll stay here :) I'm on my second machine at the moment here... |
| 21:45.46 | streuner | nilb: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:45.46 | icecold | nilb: Switch, it'll help a lot of heart aches. |
| 21:45.49 | galois | nilb: sid or woody are good mmkay |
| 21:46.02 | Frieza | And... I found kernel modules only for the 2.4.18 mdk kernel... |
| 21:46.02 | interoz | nk_: smart ;) waiting for good news then |
| 21:46.05 | bpence | ps aux |
| 21:46.14 | bpence | sorry :) mouse went nuts |
| 21:46.17 | nilb | icecold, galois: how 'unstable' is sid? |
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| 21:46.30 | nk_ | interoz: wow... lilo is there again :) now booting up... hopefully no more errors... |
| 21:46.38 | Hugl3 | hello all. while running a script i get : Can't locate MPEG/MP3Info.pm in @INC |
| 21:46.40 | icecold | nilb: If it is a how system I would just run a mixed system. |
| 21:46.42 | Hugl3 | what is wrong with it ? |
| 21:46.49 | galois | nilb: slightly bloody edge stable |
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| 21:46.59 | icecold | nilb: Then you can get the best of both worlds! |
| 21:47.00 | galois | nilb: woody is nuclear bunker stable |
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| 21:47.48 | nilb | galois: i downloaded woody yesterday and did the install |
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| 21:48.02 | galois | nilb: look for backports for a server |
| 21:48.15 | Frieza | Cya guys! :) |
| 21:48.24 | galois | nilb: off now, good luck |
| 21:48.30 | nilb | i wasn't happy with it so i'm thinking of getting sarge |
| 21:48.35 | holycow | okay, so if i have security.debian.org in my sources.list and pat-get upgrade, will that apply the -12 update to the 2.4.19-bf2.4 kernel? sorry to ask this q, buts not stated explicitly anywhere and i hate to make assumptions. i didnt see any kernel patches applied during the upgrade either so does it mean the kernel must be recompiled manually? |
| 21:48.37 | icecold | steve4: yes |
| 21:48.46 | cheecheeo | after I make a kernel image with make-kpkg kernel_image, do I just dpkg -I the .deb? |
| 21:48.49 | nilb | galois: thanks for the help |
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| 21:49.14 | steve4 | icecold : what shoul i do at the "boot" prompt while booting using a cd ? use the "rescue boot=/dev/hdxx" command or type "enter" and get a shell to mount my linux partition ? |
| 21:49.15 | icecold | holycow: How long have you ran this system? |
| 21:49.24 | holycow | 2 weeks |
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| 21:49.46 | yaman | hello.. i edited /etc/modules and added a line with 8139too on it, but when i reboot, i get this: "Skipping module 8139too, assuming enabled in kernel"...its not enabled in the kernel, but if i do a modprobe after login everything works great. i just upgraded to 2.6.0-test9, so maybe thats a problem? |
| 21:49.46 | initech | cheecheeo: yes |
| 21:49.53 | cheecheeo | initech: thanks :) |
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| 21:50.31 | nilb | icecold: just for about an hour, it seems to use an older version of Xfree86 so gives me some problems with my videocard and mouse. Apparently doesn't detect my ethernet card either |
| 21:50.46 | fearl | yaman: if the module shows up with lsmod, don't worry about it... |
| 21:50.57 | nk_ | interoz: well... some nvidia failures now... guess can fix it. I appreciate your help so much, thx! |
| 21:50.58 | fatal__ | yaman: thats probably discover not finding the 8139too module.... |
| 21:50.59 | simonrvn | yaman: check what that module is set to in /proc/config.gz (zcat /proc/config.gz|less) |
| 21:51.05 | billyoc | Has anyone seen this error with Sid: "Cannot open font file for font Bitstream Vera Sans 10"? It happens when using Gnome(HEAD). |
| 21:51.15 | icecold | nilb: you must configure modules in install. Is this what you're asking? |
| 21:51.38 | yaman | fearl: it doesnt show up unless i modprobe it manually |
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| 21:52.06 | yaman | simonrvn: i dont have a /proc/config.gz |
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| 21:52.20 | interoz | nk_: it can be an nvidia problem. i dont have nvidia i cant be much help. glad you have your lilo back anyway. take care |
| 21:52.21 | simonrvn | yaman: check /boot then |
| 21:52.22 | yaman | fatal__: should i be using discover anyways? im new to deb, and i told it to enable |
| 21:52.27 | holycow | okay let me rephrase the original question: do the security updates in any way automatically apply patches to the kernel or would recompiling a kernel generally be mandated for such things? |
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| 21:52.38 | yaman | simonrvn: nope |
| 21:52.42 | nilb | icecold: while in the modules menu i wasnt able to figer out what module to use for my integrated ethernet card so i skipped that thinking that it would do an autodetect |
| 21:52.55 | simonrvn | yaman: you have no kernel config file? check your source tree then |
| 21:53.01 | icecold | holycow: No patches are applied only kernel-images are installed for security updates. |
| 21:53.24 | yaman | simonrvn: well i set it as a module, if thats what youre asking.. |
| 21:53.38 | yaman | simonrvn: and i know i did because when i modprobe for it, it comes up :) |
| 21:53.44 | fearl | nilb: you are using Debian, if you don't have discover or kudzu installed, it won't autodetect anything |
| 21:53.45 | nk_ | interoz: ah... I see. nvidia can't build it's module, cause the kernel was compiled using another version of gcc (compiled it under woody, now runnin sarge) I'll recompile the kernel now and after that install the nvidia drivers again... yeah, lilo is back :) |
| 21:53.52 | icecold | nilb: You must know ethernet card brand when installing what kind of card wireless? |
| 21:53.57 | fearl | nilb: what kinda nic you have? |
| 21:54.05 | Myren | ugg. there is no #fltk. that sucks. |
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| 21:54.20 | simonrvn | yaman: you don't really need discover |
| 21:54.32 | nilb | fearl: its an integrated sis card |
| 21:54.36 | yaman | simonrvn: new to debian... is there a configuration program i can run to disable it? |
| 21:55.03 | yaman | probably debconf-* ? |
| 21:55.09 | holycow | ice, thank you, although your answer is a bit confusing. so if kernel images are installed for security updates, therefore one must compile an image for the sytem in question ... is that the correct interpretation of your statement? |
| 21:55.13 | nilb | icecold: when on mandrake it was identified by eth0, dunno if thet helps at all |
| 21:55.14 | interoz | nk_: or you can compile nvidia with 2.95. but since you moved i suggest to recompile your kernel. dont forget to apt-get install ccache ;) |
| 21:55.30 | fearl | nilb: that doesn't help... mine at home is a sis900, this sound familier? if so, try modprobe sis900 and see if that helps |
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| 21:55.47 | nk_ | interoz: well - yes I do. I prefer compiling the kernel from sources, not the debian way :) |
| 21:55.55 | icecold | nilb: no it doesn't. Debian has modules config page but I don't know if your nic is supported. |
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| 21:56.06 | icecold | nilb: in those modules. |
| 21:56.09 | simonrvn | yaman: dpkg -P discover libdiscover1 |
| 21:56.19 | icecold | nilb: with the 2.2.20 kernel |
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| 21:56.38 | fearl | nilb: eth0 is simply the first nic connected to your computer, means nothing... the device will be recognized as /dev/eth0 when you get it working on debian too... |
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| 21:57.12 | yaman | simonrvn: ok, we removed it.. was that the only way? |
| 21:57.31 | nilb | fearl: fearl: i'll try that when i boot to deb. On the other hand i'm intending to get sarge soon, so i'm wondering whether it is easier to upgrade from woody or just do a new install. I'm thinking more of a clean install |
| 21:58.05 | icecold | nilb: must upgrade from woody with that installer. |
| 21:58.21 | icecold | nilb: but it's very easy! :) |
| 21:58.21 | nilb | icecold: apt? |
| 21:58.26 | nk_ | steve4: you solved your problem? |
| 21:58.27 | icecold | nilb: yes |
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| 21:58.38 | Myren | anyone have pointers for getting started with fltk doing a tablet-pc program? turning absolute mouse data into a big graphics file? |
| 21:58.43 | icecold | nilb: you can do it now if you want. |
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| 21:59.01 | holycow | heh, okay, lets try this from a different angle: is it possible for kernel to have a 'security patch' applied, or must one always recompile a kernel if any security issue or otherwise arise? |
| 21:59.29 | lunarknight | Hi, I'm not sure which netinst iso to get for debian at http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 21:59.45 | simonrvn | yaman: well, since you don't need it, might as well remove it :) |
| 21:59.47 | oskie | holycow: the kernel will almost always need to be recompiled |
| 21:59.49 | steve4 | nk_, icehold : i'm booting using a bootable cd but i get a ' warning : unable to open an initial console' and 'kernel panic : no init found. Try passing init= option to kernel ' msgs when i use the 'rescue boot=/dev/myrootpartition'. What should i do ? |
| 21:59.57 | icecold | holycow: Security with make the kernel and distribute *not* as a patch but will require you to get the kernel-image. What kernel are you worried about? |
| 21:59.59 | master | ok, im still having that problem i was having with X last night, i have debian3.0r2, a amd 1700+, and a nvidia geforce 4 ti 4200, when i do a xf86cfg, or a X - configure it tries to use WMware drivers, if i do a xf86condif and select all the correct drivers, it returns (EE) no devices detected no screens found. if i do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and configure it exactly as it should be, it returns the error ne device |
| 22:00.02 | initech | holycow: of course if you are using a debian packaged kernel, you can download a patyched version, otherwise, you should recompile |
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| 22:00.15 | nilb | icecold: i will have to first get the ethernet card issue sorted first, if its not a big deal. other wise i'll simply download new isos from my mandrake box burn them and reinstall deb |
| 22:00.19 | jawad``` | heey there |
| 22:00.27 | holycow | aha! |
| 22:00.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.39 | jawad``` | can u help me guys plz ? |
| 22:00.41 | holycow | oskie: thankyou, that corners it :) |
| 22:00.56 | oskie | master: try the nvidia drivers.. they work best... also use debian testing, newer X in there |
| 22:00.56 | icecold | nilb: yeah, then change sources file to unstable, apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 22:01.02 | nk_ | master: you have to download the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 22:01.08 | redrick | karsten: Know any other notable write-ups on chroot/debootstrap installation of Debian, other than yours, Erik Jacobson's, and Jim Dennis's. |
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| 22:01.20 | holycow | icecold: i'm running woody standard kernel whatever comes with it 2.4.18-bf2.4 and what i would like to do is patch for the recent kernel exploit |
| 22:01.26 | master | nk_ havent tried that yet, i just installed kernel headers. |
| 22:01.32 | oskie | nk_ (master): there are debian packages that will download the drivers automaticly |
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| 22:01.50 | plugwash | !real kernel |
| 22:01.50 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 22:01.51 | nk_ | master: you have to! since the nvidia drivers of xfree are only till geforce 3 |
| 22:01.58 | holycow | icecold: its not really important i just would like to round out my knowledge of the differnt issues at hand ... upgrading kernel its self versus patching it |
| 22:01.59 | oskie | holycow: download a new kernel, compile and install it .. that's what i recommend :) |
| 22:02.00 | master | oskie : i was thinking about using testing, but i was more for stability and support |
| 22:02.11 | master | nl_ o ok thanx, i didnt know that |
| 22:02.11 | icecold | holycow: An apt-get update, apt-get upgrade will install the kernel-package, this was awhile ago and I'm sure it's been upgrade. Within the last month. |
| 22:02.11 | yaman | simonrvn: ok.. so rebooting might work now |
| 22:02.15 | steve4 | what is the "init" parameter at bootime for lilo ? |
| 22:02.25 | nilb | icecold: do i have to enter the ftp server for the unstable version in the source.list file? if so would any of debian mirrors work? |
| 22:02.25 | simonrvn | yaman: why do you want to reboot? |
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| 22:02.38 | oskie | master: testing is to be considered stable at the moment... I'd say :) and it'll be better supported here (!) |
| 22:02.46 | icecold | holycow: or apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23 or whatever. |
| 22:02.51 | lazarus | oskie: you mislead |
| 22:02.59 | yaman | simonrvn: to see if it will automatically modprobe 8139too..? |
| 22:03.01 | lazarus | oskie: testing != stable |
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| 22:03.12 | icecold | nilb: the debian mirrors will work but change them to unstable. |
| 22:03.15 | simonrvn | yaman: if it'S in /etc/modules, it should load |
| 22:03.29 | lazarus | master: if you want stablility, choose woody (stable) |
| 22:03.32 | simonrvn | yaman: just run /etc/init.d/module-init-tools start |
| 22:03.41 | oskie | lazarus: i know, but stable is old... |
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| 22:03.56 | yaman | simonrvn: well thats what my problem was.. it *is* in /etc/modules, but when i boot up i get this mesg: "Skipping module 8139too, assuming enabled in kernel" and its not enabled in the kernel, so after i login i have to manually modprobe and setup the network |
| 22:04.02 | icecold | oskie: old but stable. |
| 22:04.05 | holycow | icecold: *nod* okay what if one just does apt-get upgrade... assuming the kernel patch is applied with that process... how does one tell? uname -srv just gives me 2.4.18-bf2.4 which is the original kernel? does the nomenclature change somehow with kernel patches? |
| 22:04.09 | nilb | icecold: ok, thanks. off i go. i'll see if i get the ethernet adapter going first. I'll be joining in when i get that to work |
| 22:04.12 | master | lazarus : im running woodie stable 3.0r2 |
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| 22:04.17 | nilb | bye everybody |
| 22:04.18 | lazarus | oskie: stable means unchanging, testing is not unchanging |
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| 22:04.24 | lazarus | master: good |
| 22:04.29 | yaman | simonrvn: it thinks everything is already in the kernel. i think its outdated, i just installed a new kernel where everything was modulized |
| 22:04.30 | master | ok, where are the kernel headers installed to by default in debian? |
| 22:04.36 | re_garcia | how can I get my sound modules loaded by modprobe? |
| 22:04.38 | yaman | master: /usr/src/ |
| 22:04.49 | oskie | lazarus: this has been discussed, and there's no point in discussing it further |
| 22:04.51 | master | hrm, nvidia drivers dont think there installed |
| 22:04.59 | icecold | holycow: I think it stays the same. Not sure, but with an apt-get upgrade it will install. Don't worry. It's Debian! |
| 22:05.06 | holycow | oskie: *nod* my preference is to go to 2.4.23 as well, that still leaves open the question of how to tell if a kernel has been patched with apt-get ... |
| 22:05.12 | lazarus | oskie: please stop misleading people then |
| 22:05.12 | streuner | yaman: so you have that driver compiled into kernel and in /etc/modules? |
| 22:05.13 | icecold | Nilbus: Sounds good! |
| 22:05.17 | simonrvn | yaman: try running depmod -a after you reboot |
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| 22:05.21 | oskie | lazarus: i'm not misleading people |
| 22:05.22 | holycow | icecold: sweet :) i see what your saying i would just haveto try the exploit |
| 22:05.26 | lazarus | oskie: testing != stable |
| 22:05.34 | yaman | streuner: no, i have driver compiled as a module |
| 22:05.37 | holycow | icecold: awesome thank you for helping, greatly appreciate it :) |
| 22:05.41 | oskie | lazarus: testing is stable software |
| 22:05.44 | steve4 | Can someone tells me how to use the "init" parameter at bootime using a bootable cd to rescue my system ? |
| 22:05.48 | icecold | holycow: no prob, glad to help! |
| 22:05.51 | master | yaman : hehe dselect never unbziped em :D |
| 22:05.53 | lazarus | oskie: no, that is a lie |
| 22:05.59 | Hugl3 | strange.. why i can do 'mysql' in console, but can't see any process running on port 3306 ? |
| 22:06.22 | lazarus | dpkg: +stable |
| 22:06.23 | dpkg | from memory, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days, or where the horses live The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r2). |
| 22:06.50 | streuner | yaman: what do you use woody? |
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| 22:07.00 | oskie | holycow: well, i don't believe there are any stock 2.4.23 debian kernels at the moment.. but the 2.4.22 ones are probably patched (the changelog in /usr/shared/doc/<packagename> will tell) |
| 22:07.02 | icecold | dpkg: beats it |
| 22:07.03 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, icecold |
| 22:07.04 | yaman | streuner: yes |
| 22:07.11 | yaman | master: yeah, you have to do that yourself |
| 22:07.28 | streuner | yaman: DHCP? |
| 22:07.32 | yaman | streuner: no |
| 22:07.35 | yaman | streuner: static |
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| 22:08.13 | lazarus | anyone know where to get this? lg-issue97 does not appear to be available |
| 22:08.16 | lazarus | lg-subscription depends on lg-issue97 |
| 22:08.26 | lazarus | it's been basically a month now |
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| 22:09.02 | enum | Hugl3: the client probably uses unix domain sockets |
| 22:09.10 | ulitz | how can i reconfigure x? |
| 22:09.17 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:09.22 | Hugl3 | enum, so what can i do about it ? |
| 22:10.02 | streuner | yaman: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 22:10.24 | steve4 | ulitz : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... i use this command. |
| 22:10.38 | enum | Hugl3: about what? |
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| 22:10.55 | yaman | streuner: what field are you interested in? |
| 22:10.59 | Hugl3 | enum, i want it to be litened on 3306 port.. as always :/ |
| 22:11.14 | streuner | yaman: version, of course |
| 22:11.23 | cheecheeo | hmm, I used make-kpkg kernel_image to make a 2.4.23 .deb and then dpkg -I installed it, and rebooted and still only have 2.4.18 in the grub boot menu, what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:11.28 | yaman | streuner: 2.3.2ds1-10 |
| 22:11.30 | master | ok, just tried using the nvidia drivers, it says it cant find any interface for the kernel im using (2.2.20) and that it will have to compile its own, then after about 1sec into the compile it crashed and dumps a log into /var/log/nvidia-sompthin, i check the log and it reports that a different compiler is being used than the one used to compile the kernel, now what? |
| 22:11.34 | ulitz | i tried it but i was looking for something else... thanks |
| 22:11.40 | diod | Hi all .. got a pbm with gaim (v0.72/Sid), each time I try to open a buddy (Yahoo), it goes awya (crashes) |
| 22:11.41 | icecold | Cheethoe: update grub |
| 22:11.41 | enum | Hugl3: remove skip-networking from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 22:11.42 | streuner | yaman: and you run woody? |
| 22:11.44 | oskie | cheecheeo: you probably still have kernel-image-2.4.18-something installed |
| 22:11.55 | simonrvn | !+listkeys cursor |
| 22:11.55 | oskie | cheecheeo: but you should've had 2.4.23 entries in the grub menu as well? |
| 22:11.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cursor' by key (1 shown): cursor. |
| 22:12.04 | yaman | streuner: unless i did something wrong... |
| 22:12.08 | twistednerve | having a hard time enabling dma on an ATAPI dvd player, I can enable it, but when I start playing a dvd, it gets SeekComplete Errors and dma is then disabled, any ideas? |
| 22:12.11 | streuner | yaman: 2.6.0-test9 isn't in woody |
| 22:12.11 | icecold | Cheethoe: man grub |
| 22:12.12 | simonrvn | !+listkeys theme |
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| 22:12.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'theme' by key (12 shown): gnome theme ;; themes.org ;; xdm themes ;; themes ;; gnome themes ;; theme files ;; themer ;; themesorg ;; netscape theme contest ;; theme ;; icon themes ;; gtk-theme. |
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| 22:12.29 | yaman | streuner: i have testing/unstable sources in my sources.list. but i built it manually anyways |
| 22:12.29 | simonrvn | apologies for the spam |
| 22:12.35 | cheecheeo | oskie: I was hoping to be able to run 2.4.23 from grub, yes |
| 22:12.36 | enum | cheecheeo: did you run update-grub? |
| 22:12.47 | yaman | streuner: brb reboot |
| 22:12.47 | Hugl3 | enginerd, thx. it works now |
| 22:12.51 | yaman | simonrvn: thanks, trying now |
| 22:12.57 | cheecheeo | enum: just did |
| 22:12.58 | oskie | cheecheeo: well, if it wasn't in the menu something went wrong.. check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:13.10 | diod | Anyone using gaim here ? |
| 22:13.19 | simonrvn | yaok |
| 22:13.28 | simonrvn | .. |
| 22:13.30 | re_garcia | diod: me |
| 22:13.32 | cheecheeo | enum: oskie yeah, update-grub seemed to do the trick, just reboot now? |
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| 22:13.40 | oskie | cheecheeo: yep |
| 22:13.46 | cheecheeo | cool, be right back |
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| 22:13.52 | diod | garcia: which version ? using Sid or Woody ? |
| 22:14.02 | master | ok, just tried using the nvidia drivers, it says it cant find any interface for the kernel im using (2.2.20) and that it will have to compile its own, then after about 1sec into the compile it crashed and dumps a log into /var/log/nvidia-sompthin, i check the log and it reports that a different compiler is being used than the one used to compile the kernel, now what? |
| 22:14.09 | re_garcia | woody, gaim .74 |
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| 22:14.53 | diod | re_garcia: where can one find 0.74 ?? |
| 22:14.58 | holycow | master... to get my nv drivers to compile i had to uninstall whatever gcc i had install the one for the kernel |
| 22:14.59 | kzar | how would i search for all .m3u files on my hard drive? |
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| 22:15.08 | yaman | streuner: im an idiot. testing :-/ |
| 22:15.11 | holycow | and also install the kernel headers for the kernel running as well |
| 22:15.16 | diod | kzar: man find |
| 22:15.21 | kzar | k |
| 22:15.28 | master | holycow: well can you help me with that then? |
| 22:15.38 | yaman | simonrvn: works now ;) |
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| 22:15.51 | holycow | master unfortunately that would be like the blind leading the blind, i'll just destroy your system as i'm a new |
| 22:15.52 | holycow | b |
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| 22:16.05 | re_garcia | diod:http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php |
| 22:16.10 | streuner | yaman: what did you change? |
| 22:16.30 | yaman | streuner: i removed discover |
| 22:16.37 | diod | re_garcia: they've got a deb pkg there ? |
| 22:16.37 | holycow | what i can suggest is to answer the following questions: a) what kernel are you running b) what gcc version was used to compile it c) find out current gcc version d) uninstall current gcc with apt e) install required gcc with apt |
| 22:16.39 | master | holycow : im relitivly new myself, like i said lastnight i have some expirence with redhat 6.x and 7.x and a tad bit in slack, but nothing like debian |
| 22:17.06 | yaman | next topic... i'm trying to install the NVIDIA drivers. i have the kernel headers/source unpacked, but its lookin for a file called 'modversions.h' that i dont have |
| 22:17.26 | re_garcia | diod: no... I've built from source |
| 22:17.32 | holycow | then ... f) find out what headers are on your system if any g) uninstall any wrong header packages h) apt-cache search headers ... to find list of header packages... and install the ones you need |
| 22:17.41 | diod | re_garcia: ok |
| 22:17.47 | yaman | nm, did google |
| 22:17.48 | streuner | yaman: /msg dpkg modversions.h , but you may try #nvidia |
| 22:17.54 | lazarus | yaman: /topic |
| 22:17.59 | holycow | i hope that outlines the steps in a bit more detail for you, i cannot offer anything of more detail unfortunately :/ |
| 22:18.09 | re_garcia | diod: I think you can get backports for this, but I was unable to find for 0.74 |
| 22:18.33 | diod | re-garcia: in fact, I've never been able to use gaim |
| 22:18.53 | re_garcia | diod: because of the protocols? |
| 22:18.53 | nk_ | hi there. after updating to sarge I don't have my menu-bar fonts in icewm :/ i reset them with icdpref to ones that were available but no success :/ |
| 22:18.57 | diod | re_garcia: each time I dbl-click on a buddy, it woulmd crash |
| 22:19.19 | oskie | master: i'd start by upgrading kernel to 2.4.23 |
| 22:19.20 | diod | re_garcia: i dunno .. my buddies ar on yahoo |
| 22:19.40 | holycow | master: debian is a lot easier than both... biggest issue i run into is taking what you need done and decompiling it to a set of plain english steps ... various sources of info on the ent always assume certain amount of knowledge and never reference any background info so you gotta read between the lines |
| 22:19.41 | d666 | GIVE ME TEN REASONS TO INSTALL DEBIAN UNSTABLE |
| 22:19.46 | yaman | lazarus: thanks |
| 22:19.47 | Firehand | hi is there a problem known with woody's dpkg on sparc architekture? i tried to install ssh but somewhere during the unpacking phase dpkg quits with a segmentation fault... |
| 22:19.56 | re_garcia | diod: it works fine for me...of course sometimes it crashes... |
| 22:19.58 | nk_ | d666: you're not so outdated like you are with woody |
| 22:19.59 | streuner | d666: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:20.14 | icecold | d666: If you can't figure it out maybe you shouldn't. |
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| 22:20.33 | ModestCargo | lol |
| 22:20.41 | master | oskie : well can i sptget the latest kernel? |
| 22:21.00 | oskie | master: you can get sources from ftp.kernel.org |
| 22:21.04 | icecold | master: not 2.6 yet. |
| 22:21.23 | master | icecold: what about the latest 2.4? |
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| 22:21.44 | diod | re_garcia: can you leave offline msgs to offline buddies ? |
| 22:21.45 | icecold | master: apt-cache search kernel |less and check it! It's fun! |
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| 22:22.52 | re_garcia | diod: yes |
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| 22:23.23 | diod | re_garcia : so it is not working at all here |
| 22:23.42 | re_garcia | diod: what version you have? |
| 22:24.08 | diod | re_garcia: 0.72-1 (last gaim from unstable) |
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| 22:24.27 | doodeedaa | hey |
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| 22:24.49 | doodeedaa | i am building a debian package of my customized kernel, but is there way to set the machine and machtype to i586 |
| 22:25.18 | streuner | doodeedaa: well, you take the option for your CPU |
| 22:25.22 | sTone_heAd | doodeedaa, on package or kernel? |
| 22:25.26 | doodeedaa | i do echo $HOSTTYPE and echo $MACHTYPE i get i386 and i386-pc-linux-gnu |
| 22:25.36 | doodeedaa | streuner: ? |
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| 22:25.49 | doodeedaa | should i set the hosttype to i586 |
| 22:25.56 | doodeedaa | and machtype to i586 |
| 22:26.20 | streuner | doodeedaa: run 'make menuconfig' and choose the right option for your CPU |
| 22:26.32 | doodeedaa | streuner i already have |
| 22:26.37 | elephantman | Cups is asking me for a username/password => How can i desactivate this ? |
| 22:26.38 | doodeedaa | i chose 586 |
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| 22:27.11 | doodeedaa | is it b/c of gcc compile ? |
| 22:27.13 | elephantman | I need the simplest printer install method - my case i just one printer on parallel |
| 22:27.23 | doodeedaa | b/c the current kernel is designed for i586 |
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| 22:27.25 | enum | doodeedaa: these values are normal |
| 22:27.27 | danac | does anyone know how to back up their mbr so that windows doesn't trash it when it installs? |
| 22:27.38 | master | well while im upgrading kernels whats the package i should apt-get install for grub? |
| 22:27.39 | Ikarus_ | elephantman: apsfilter ? |
| 22:27.44 | doodeedaa | enum: so everything is fine |
| 22:27.51 | ljlane | master, grub |
| 22:27.53 | elephantman | Ikarus_: what is this ? |
| 22:28.00 | LoRez | danac: it will get trashed, just have a boot disk handy to reinstall it from linux |
| 22:28.14 | interoz | cyberyo_: night |
| 22:28.25 | danac | what do i use to make a boot disk? |
| 22:28.37 | Ikarus_ | elephantman: a printer setup tool and filter |
| 22:28.40 | danac | LoRez i've never done that before |
| 22:28.49 | LoRez | danac: man mkboot |
| 22:28.50 | icecold | danac: man mkboot |
| 22:28.50 | enum | doodeedaa: I get the same on a -k7 kernel |
| 22:29.02 | doodeedaa | enum: so everything is fine then |
| 22:29.03 | doodeedaa | i see |
| 22:29.47 | doodeedaa | is there a flag for gcc that i can set so when i run kernel-image package that it will compile for arch type of i586 |
| 22:30.01 | diod | re_garcia: shit !! Ran it from a xterm and it segfaulted !! |
| 22:30.33 | oskie | doodeedaa: you can also say that you want the kernel compiled for Pentium/586 when doing make menuconfig |
| 22:30.35 | elephantman | Ikarus_: ok |
| 22:30.48 | doodeedaa | oskie: did that already |
| 22:30.53 | ircdevil | nite all |
| 22:31.03 | oskie | doodeedaa: and you want the package to contain '586' in the name? |
| 22:31.08 | Covener | danc: dd if=/dev/hda of=backup-hda.mbr count=1 bs=512 |
| 22:31.09 | streuner | doodeedaa: what CPU do you have, anyway? |
| 22:31.22 | doodeedaa | streuner: its a p200 cpu |
| 22:31.24 | doodeedaa | i586 |
| 22:31.28 | icecold | doodeedaa: just config with 586 support. It will work. |
| 22:31.48 | doodeedaa | icecold: what about gcc options - is it better to be at defualt or use some i586 flags when compiling |
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| 22:31.59 | doodeedaa | oskie: yes |
| 22:31.59 | Covener | danc: if you want a backup of partition table you should do sfdisk -d too |
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| 22:32.23 | icecold | doodeedaa: Just use the defaut. How are you trying to compile? With make-kpkg? |
| 22:32.27 | oskie | doodeedaa: supposedly it's possible to set something called extraversion.. etc.. you probably pass some command line option to make-kpkg ... check the manpage |
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| 22:32.31 | doodeedaa | icecold yes |
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| 22:32.51 | elephantman | I dont understand what is the "location" of the printer |
| 22:33.05 | icecold | doodeedaa: Just compile with 586 support. Are you worried about the .deb name? |
| 22:33.21 | doodeedaa | icecold: not really worried about the name |
| 22:33.47 | doodeedaa | but i just installed a configured i586 kernel but i when i do echo $machtype i see i386 |
| 22:33.48 | streuner | doodeedaa: you have to do *nothing*, make-kpkg kernel_image make the right kernel-deb, after you choose the right CPU-type in 'make menuconfig' |
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| 22:33.52 | icecold | doodeedaa: Compile with 586 using normal make-kpkg and then install. That is all. Any more questions? |
| 22:33.53 | cheecheeo | grub isn't taking keyboard commands, is it because I'm using a usb keyboard? |
| 22:34.07 | doodeedaa | icecold: if thats the case - then i am covered, thanks |
| 22:34.17 | doodeedaa | so i was doing things right along anyway |
| 22:34.22 | chance2105 | MangMug, my CD burning broke. |
| 22:34.24 | icecold | doodeedaa: Yep! Have fun! :) |
| 22:34.27 | doodeedaa | heh |
| 22:34.27 | doodeedaa | thanks |
| 22:34.32 | chance2105 | err umm .. that was meant to read 'man' |
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| 22:34.38 | diod | what does it mean I need to be identified to join a #channel ? |
| 22:34.44 | Covener | chance2105: thought you got it resolved? |
| 22:34.51 | oskie | diod: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:34.52 | Covener | diod: registered w/ nickserv |
| 22:34.59 | RichiH | diod: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:35.07 | chance2105 | Covener: No. The first round earlier in the day didn't get me anywhere, so I took a break. |
| 22:35.36 | streuner | diod: in general you need a password to be an identified user, you nick is protected then... |
| 22:35.40 | diod | ok thanx guy |
| 22:35.57 | doodeedaa | this kernel 2.6.0 be better damn good - |
| 22:35.59 | diod | but i really don't need to protect this nick ;) |
| 22:36.08 | doodeedaa | b/c the default woody kernel was working fine |
| 22:36.23 | chance2105 | Covener: I reverted back to 2.4 image that worked with burning earlier. Now, cdrecord is respondig as if there's no SCSI device to access. |
| 22:36.36 | Covener | chance2105: cdrecord -scanbus give any errors? |
| 22:36.40 | chance2105 | Covener: Mounting and unmounting work through the SCSI interface. |
| 22:36.44 | icecold | doodeedaa: Keep the old for backup. Then install 2.6, there are a few things to config when this is done. |
| 22:37.11 | hax | anyone know if there are rio sport drivers for linux? (google reveals nothing) |
| 22:37.18 | doodeedaa | ah this si funny |
| 22:37.21 | doodeedaa | when its compiling |
| 22:37.26 | doodeedaa | i see arch set to i386 |
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| 22:37.31 | chance2105 | Covener: cdrecord.mmap: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/scd0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 22:37.32 | danac | LoRez: i don't quite understand the man file for mkboot, do i just want to run mkboot /dev/fd0? |
| 22:37.33 | doodeedaa | arch=i386 |
| 22:37.35 | doodeedaa | hmm |
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| 22:37.39 | doodeedaa | why is it doing that |
| 22:37.42 | icecold | danac: yes. |
| 22:37.45 | Covener | chance2105: what dev= are you using in 2.4? |
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| 22:37.51 | doodeedaa | i want it to optimized for i586 only |
| 22:37.51 | Jacobo221 | hi, again |
| 22:37.54 | danac | icecold: thanks |
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| 22:37.57 | chance2105 | Covener: /dev/scd0 |
| 22:37.58 | Covener | chance2105: should be a bus,target,lun form |
| 22:37.59 | icecold | doodeedaa: Are you on the 586 machine now? |
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| 22:38.08 | Covener | chance2105: you want something ot the effect of 0,0,0 in 2.4 |
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| 22:38.13 | doodeedaa | icecold: yes |
| 22:38.26 | icecold | doodeedaa: Do a uname -a and report what it says. |
| 22:38.26 | Jacobo221 | how can I make mplayer play a video in fullscreen mode? |
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| 22:38.39 | Covener | Jacobo221: manpage, mplayer -fs -fstype ? |
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| 22:38.51 | danac | icecold: it's saying "Creating a lilo bootdisk..." but i'm running grub, does that matter? |
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| 22:38.57 | streuner | Jacobo221: or try to hit the 'F' button. |
| 22:39.00 | gp | what is a vow of silence? |
| 22:39.02 | icecold | danac: no. |
| 22:39.12 | julekenny | I've installed both KDE and Blackbox on my computer, however for my user - i want to start blackbox by default instead of KDE.. anyone who can help me with this? |
| 22:39.14 | Covener | gp: monks that abstain from speaking |
| 22:39.15 | Jacobo221 | Covener: but that plays the video in a square and sets the rest of the screeen black... |
| 22:39.18 | doodeedaa | icecold: its shows i586 b/c its my preivous build kernel |
| 22:39.25 | streuner | gp: the oppersite of THAT? ;-) |
| 22:39.30 | Covener | Jacobo221: -vo xv, or get xv support in your X server |
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| 22:39.35 | Jacobo221 | streuner: but the video is still in it's size, with a black background |
| 22:39.40 | icecold | doodeedaa: just #kernel and ask for help there if you're still having trouble. |
| 22:39.46 | doodeedaa | ok |
| 22:39.47 | doodeedaa | cool |
| 22:39.50 | Jacobo221 | Covener: ok, I'm going to see |
| 22:40.26 | chance2105 | Covener: Same message. For those numbers, I checked out /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord. I used dev=1,3,0 |
| 22:40.36 | Jacobo221 | Covener: thanks, that was it, thanks a lot |
| 22:40.38 | Covener | chance2105: you should use the return of -scanbus |
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| 22:40.48 | icecold | What do you guys think the average age for people in this channel is? High school, college, grad school, working world? |
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| 22:40.59 | Covener | Jacobo221: you can stash that in ~/mplayer/config (vo=xv), no idea why it's not your default |
| 22:40.59 | Belmont | Jacobo221: You can also use -sws if your machine is fast enough. |
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| 22:41.01 | chance2105 | Covener: Still, I get the very same message. |
| 22:41.08 | chance2105 | Covener: cdrecord -scanbus fails |
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| 22:41.13 | Covener | chance2105: as root? |
| 22:41.19 | chance2105 | Covener: yup. |
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| 22:41.45 | Covener | chance2105: priv msg the output? |
| 22:41.46 | icecold | chance2105: did you disable ide? |
| 22:41.54 | chance2105 | Covener: The messages are acting exactly as if it were under 2.6 .. different message, same places. |
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| 22:42.21 | gwidion | Hello..could someone help with devfs ? |
| 22:42.30 | mage | devfs is deprecated |
| 22:42.31 | icecold | gwidion: man devfs |
| 22:42.31 | oskie | gwidion: tell us what's wrong |
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| 22:42.56 | chance2105 | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J?rg Schilling |
| 22:42.56 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/sg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 22:42.56 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. |
| 22:42.56 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. |
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| 22:43.00 | mage | lame. |
| 22:43.05 | Belmont | mage: why is devfs depreciated? It seemed like a nice idea.... |
| 22:43.07 | muncc2beo | I need to log out of X, but I have an rxvt terminal open, and its doing stuff (ssh'ed to a remote system, and compiling something). Is it possible to log out of X, but not loose what's going on in the terminal? |
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| 22:43.16 | chance2105 | Covener: :p smooth move |
| 22:43.18 | oskie | chance2105: check permissions on /dev/sg0 |
| 22:43.20 | mage | Belmont: it has been replaced by udev on 2.6.x |
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| 22:43.23 | danac | icecold: cp: writing `/tmp/boot4788/vmlinuz': No space left on device, what should i do? |
| 22:43.24 | somiaj | chance2105: don't do that, paste in #flood if you need to do stuff like that. |
| 22:43.24 | Covener | chance2105: /query |
| 22:43.32 | gwidion | oskie: I installed kernel 2.6.0 and my cdwriter settings went out. ATAPI reocrding is not ready for desktop - so I want to use ide-scsi emulation meanwhile. |
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| 22:43.35 | GrayThunder | how do i enable swat? |
| 22:43.38 | oskie | Belmont: it's only deprecated because none of the kernel coders knows how to maintain it |
| 22:43.53 | Jacobo221 | Covener: it was the default, but I changed it because I thought the x11 would be better ;-) |
| 22:44.00 | chance2105 | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J?rg Schilling |
| 22:44.00 | gwidion | oskie: I need to know how to enable a ide-scsi device, whcih will be in /dev/scsi/host0/.../cd |
| 22:44.00 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/sg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 22:44.00 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. |
| 22:44.00 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. |
| 22:44.00 | chance2105 | cdrecord.mmap: Also make sure that you have loaded the sg driver and the driver for |
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| 22:44.02 | Covener | Jacobo221: ah! |
| 22:44.02 | holy_cow | *hmmm* it seems there is a 2.4.23 kernel package in apt repositories afterall |
| 22:44.10 | Covener | doh :( |
| 22:44.12 | Jacobo221 | Belmont: thanks too, I'm going to try |
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| 22:44.17 | mage | !tell chance2105 about flood |
| 22:44.17 | holy_cow | heh, lets permanently screw up this system :) brb |
| 22:44.19 | chance2105 | Let's do this in flood, ok? heh |
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| 22:44.21 | somiaj | chance2105: don't do that again! |
| 22:44.22 | oskie | gwidion: did you load the ide-scsi module? |
| 22:44.25 | streuner | what a moron |
| 22:44.29 | Gepeto_ | hey guys, I hadnt rebooted for maybe.. 3 months.. now when I try to login it says '(none) login:' and I cant login as user or root... I did fsck all my drives and everything looks OK...anyone has an idea ? |
| 22:44.36 | LoRez | chance2105: didn't you read the topic? |
| 22:44.48 | mage | Gepeto_: it's your hostname/domainname |
| 22:44.57 | gwidion | oskie : yes. |
| 22:44.58 | chance2105 | Kids, it's OK. I've been here for a year, I know the rules. |
| 22:45.04 | oskie | Gepeto_: possible some files in /etc were screwed... boot with kernel option init=/bin/sh to fix this |
| 22:45.05 | mage | !tell chance2105 about flood |
| 22:45.08 | LoRez | well shit.. nm... it's not in the topic |
| 22:45.11 | mage | you don't |
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| 22:45.22 | LoRez | ah, it's in the onjoin |
| 22:45.25 | gwidion | oskie: devfs itself doesn't seen to be running, and I do not know how to change that. |
| 22:45.28 | Gepeto_ | oskie: my stupid IRC client on my mac changed what was before bin with a smiley |
| 22:45.36 | oskie | gwidion: well, as long as ide-scsi is loaded prior to ide-cd (and ide-cd is not compiled into the kernel), everything should work automaticly... |
| 22:45.48 | oskie | gwidion: devfs works automaticly, inside the kernel |
| 22:45.51 | chance2105 | mage: Thanks, but no thanks. |
| 22:46.00 | chance2105 | mage: The attempt was to flood over /msg. |
| 22:46.11 | chance2105 | mage: didn't work. |
| 22:46.12 | icecold | twice?? |
| 22:46.15 | gwidion | oskie. ok, but some files I read, told taht here should be a /dev/.devfs file ...it is not there. |
| 22:46.19 | oskie | Gepeto_: i n i t = / b i n / s h |
| 22:46.33 | chance2105 | LoRez, somiaj goes for you too .. damn yall need anti-anxiety meds or somethin |
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| 22:46.39 | Gepeto_ | oskie: Problem is lilo boots right away.. I'll boot a cd and modify lilo.conf maybe, thanks |
| 22:46.39 | gwidion | BTW, after I installed it, the cd settings stopped working with kernel 2.4 as well. |
| 22:46.53 | oskie | gwidion: hmm, i've never heard of that file... tried cdrecord -scanbus? |
| 22:46.54 | yaman | is there a way to specify to apt-get what version of a program to fetch? |
| 22:47.06 | oskie | Gepeto_: hmm, that might work... |
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| 22:47.13 | LoRez | chance2105: no, we all need to follow the basic rules so this channel of 600+ people doesn't get out of hand |
| 22:47.52 | LarstiQ | Would anyone know something about an empty qt2-designer package in sid, ie, there's no binary in there? The source package also doesn't want to build. |
| 22:47.52 | chance2105 | And people here wonder why people don't come to the room. Sheesh. |
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| 22:48.10 | gwidion | oskie: yes. it failed with No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
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| 22:48.16 | GrayThunder | how do i enable swat in sarge/samba 3.0.0? |
| 22:48.19 | Jacobo221 | Belmont: thanks for the tip, I don't really understand why that -sws option should work to make the video in fullscreen mode, but I'll read the man page carefully.thanks |
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| 22:48.26 | streuner | chance2105: install an irc-client which you can handle... |
| 22:48.27 | Covener | chance2105: that MAKEDEV clear things up in 2.4? |
| 22:48.37 | oskie | chance2105: that's simply the rule here. paste no more than 1 (or possible 2) lines of text... |
| 22:48.45 | gwidion | Before it was configured in /dev/scd0 |
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| 22:48.53 | Covener | ok ok, peter got the memo |
| 22:49.01 | somiaj | chance2105: just respect the rules and don't be a dick about it, we told you nicely the first time, so just grow up and move on, or go get help elsewhere. |
| 22:49.13 | muncc2beo | After using modconf to load my sound card driver, and installing xmix, and adding myself to the "audio" group, do I need to log out of KDE and log back in? |
| 22:49.16 | oskie | gwidion: hmm.. cat /proc/scsi/scsi .. does it mention your IDE CD/DVD-burning drives? |
| 22:49.17 | lazarus | chance2105: 1 - this isn't a room, this is an irc channel |
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| 22:49.31 | GrayThunder | i have enabled it in inetd.conf and restarted inetd, but that didnt help |
| 22:49.31 | lazarus | chance2105: 2 - there are 640 in this channel |
| 22:49.35 | gwidion | oskie: no. they are not in there. |
| 22:49.36 | icecold | chance2105: people don't come to this room but for some reason there are 640 people here....? |
| 22:49.46 | lazarus | chance2105: 3 - we don't need more than that, less would be better |
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| 22:50.21 | ToreSB | Why do scots use kilts? |
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| 22:50.30 | chance2105 | Covener: Not yet |
| 22:50.34 | oskie | gwidion: well, either ide-scsi support isn't compiled into the kernel or ide-cd was loaded prior to ide-scsi |
| 22:50.37 | ToreSB | Because a sheep can hear a zipper from miles away |
| 22:50.39 | ToreSB | ^_^ |
| 22:50.39 | lazarus | ToreSB: they fear nudity? |
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| 22:50.41 | Ikarus_ | ToreSB: they like a breeze around their privates |
| 22:51.11 | ToreSB | I just saw it on TV :) |
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| 22:51.19 | gwidion | oskie : I saw a "cdrom"module ther. maybe it was that. |
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| 22:51.24 | Gepeto_ | oskie: I just mounted everything and tried to chroot for fun...and it fails...segfault...bad eh? |
| 22:51.43 | gwidion | oskie: yes..I unloaded the cdrom module,a nd it appeared under /proc |
| 22:51.45 | ToreSB | I've actually got a viable idea for a program |
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| 22:51.49 | ToreSB | I'm going to dev it |
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| 22:51.54 | oskie | Gepeto_: you shouldn't need to chroot though... |
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| 22:52.03 | oskie | Gepeto_: if you are only interested in installing lilo, that is |
| 22:52.12 | Gepeto_ | I shouldn't...but it shouldn't segfault |
| 22:52.16 | gwidion | oskie However: root@r2d2 lun0]# eject /dev/scd0 |
| 22:52.16 | gwidion | eject: unable to open `/dev/scd0' |
| 22:52.16 | gwidion | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.19 | Gepeto_ | unless bash is corrupt or something |
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| 22:52.29 | oskie | Gepeto_: true.. dunno... |
| 22:52.31 | ToreSB | A curses editor for ditty - EDITty |
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| 22:52.35 | enum | vs |
| 22:52.37 | maffelu_ | ls |
| 22:52.39 | maffelu_ | helo |
| 22:52.41 | enum | gwidion: try eject -0 |
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| 22:53.08 | maffelu_ | I am having problems with my nvidia drivers, my X won't start, and I've installed the drivers properly |
| 22:53.11 | chance2105 | Covener: How do I issue makedev? |
| 22:53.24 | gwidion | oskie: did not work. |
| 22:53.25 | Covener | chance2105: it's MAKEDEV,on caps. Check the manpage real quick. |
| 22:53.25 | enum | gwidion: forget it, wrong thought :) |
| 22:53.28 | wasabi | Just how "good" is dpkg at keeping a system clean? During the life of a system, upgrading from woody to sid, etc, can files get "forgotten" and left behind? |
| 22:53.31 | maffelu_ | is there anything else you have to do then running the nvidiafoo.run driver file? |
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| 22:53.35 | oskie | gwidion: it sounds like you need to recompile the kernel.. |
| 22:53.37 | chance2105 | Covener: I have no manpage for MAKEDEV. |
| 22:53.38 | wasabi | Like if you upgrade and a /etc file is no longer required, what happens to it? |
| 22:53.43 | gwidion | oskie : i think it should be in /scsi/host0/.../cd now... |
| 22:53.45 | somiaj | maffelu_: well you must of done something wrong, do a lsmod and make sure the nvidia driver is loaded in the kernel. |
| 22:53.55 | streuner | maffelu_: 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 22:54.09 | chance2105 | Covener: Ok, I found one. |
| 22:54.10 | maffelu_ | somiaj I did, and it's there, that's the strange part |
| 22:54.13 | edward | where can i get old debs? |
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| 22:54.19 | Covener | chance2105: install makedev package if you don't have this stuff |
| 22:54.24 | maffelu_ | somiaj, X just freezes upon startup |
| 22:54.25 | gwidion | oskie: too soon..I just installed precompiled. I have to fi this, for at least be able to go back to 2.4.23 for burning |
| 22:54.29 | streuner | edward: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:54.38 | chance2105 | Covener: It's currently installed. |
| 22:54.41 | Belmont | Jacobo221 -sws works because it doesn't ask for HW (or external SW) support in scaling the video. It limits it to internal software scaling capabilities in mplayer. For that reason, it is also much slower on a system w/o cpu time to spare. |
| 22:54.45 | somiaj | maffelu_: how about your XF86Config-4 file, did you make the changes it asked for, have you checked the X log or ~/.xsessions-errors. |
| 22:54.52 | oskie | gwidion: well, you can always run lsmod to see if ide-cd and ide-scsi is loaded... |
| 22:54.58 | edward | streuner: thanks man, just what i was looking for |
| 22:55.07 | somiaj | maffelu_: freezes, can you give more. |
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| 22:55.12 | doodeedaa | is gcc3.0 package broken in woody - i had to create a symlink to gcc3.0 to gcc |
| 22:55.22 | streuner | edward: welcome |
| 22:55.26 | doodeedaa | that is what i am using to compile kernel 2.6.0 |
| 22:55.40 | oskie | doodeedaa: use gcc-3.3 |
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| 22:56.00 | streuner | doodeedaa: 2.95 compile 2.6.0 kernels just fine |
| 22:56.17 | gwidion | oskie: Now ide-cd isn't, and the others are allright. I have to figure out how to create the /dev//scsi/.../cd device ... |
| 22:56.18 | nk_root66 | how can I execute an x-program as root, while I'm running x as a user? need that for GUI-install stuff |
| 22:56.20 | somiaj | doodeedaa: the suggested gcc for kernel compiling is stil 2.95, though 3.2 or 3.3 work fine for me as well. |
| 22:56.28 | lazarus | doodeedaa: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Dec 7 13:08 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 22:56.32 | tux-helper | who was the one with networkproblems? |
| 22:56.36 | chance2105 | doodeedaa: If it gives comfort, on my fully Woody box I have issues compiling 2.6. |
| 22:56.36 | lazarus | doodeedaa: that's not mpart of gcc3.3 |
| 22:56.37 | doodeedaa | oskie: does woody have 3.3 |
| 22:56.44 | somiaj | nk_root66: lookinto sudo |
| 22:56.45 | lazarus | doodeedaa: that is part of gcc |
| 22:56.58 | lazarus | doodeedaa: gcc: /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 22:57.06 | oskie | gwidion: ide-scsi should be there, so should ide-cd... try modprobe ide-cd otherwise |
| 22:57.11 | doodeedaa | lazarus: yeah i had to create my symlink |
| 22:57.15 | oskie | doodeedaa: i don't know, but i doubt it... |
| 22:57.19 | doodeedaa | ok |
| 22:57.21 | somiaj | doodeedaa: in woody just use gcc-2.95 to compile the kernel, its the suggested version anyways. |
| 22:57.23 | Gepeto_ | oskie: well I cant reinstall Lilo (cause my recovery cd is devfs...it blows up pretty bad it seems) .. is there a hotkey I can hold while powering it up to force lilo NOT to boot default image ? |
| 22:57.23 | doodeedaa | 3.0 should be fine |
| 22:57.24 | lazarus | doodeedaa: apt-get install gcc |
| 22:57.26 | interoz | is there a way for me to close port 27000 ? |
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| 22:57.37 | lazarus | interoz: sure |
| 22:57.46 | lazarus | interoz: don't install a listener there |
| 22:57.48 | somiaj | interoz: yea, kill the program that opened it. |
| 22:57.50 | Covener | interoz: fuser/lsof to find what's listening on it, then kill that |
| 22:57.53 | interoz | wb lazarus. |
| 22:57.53 | E-s_r_a_a | selam |
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| 22:57.58 | lazarus | interoz: thanks |
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| 22:58.04 | E-s_r_a_a | türkçe bilen var mý? |
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| 22:58.17 | lazarus | E-s_r_a_a: english in #debian |
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| 22:58.28 | interoz | Covener: and if i just want to close the port without killing the prog? is it possible? |
| 22:58.29 | gwidion | oskie: ok, it loaded. And now? |
| 22:58.31 | Sadist | :) |
| 22:58.32 | oskie | Gepeto_: you can always copy a kernel to disk... |
| 22:58.34 | somiaj | E-s_r_a_a: try #debian-<laguange code> |
| 22:58.47 | oskie | gwidion: you should have more devices in /dev now.. I think |
| 22:58.48 | lazarus | interoz: a port is "opened" because something listens on it |
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| 22:58.59 | lazarus | interoz: you want to kill the listener |
| 22:59.02 | Covener | interoz: it would have to be some interface in the actual program, or if you are running firewall stuff on your machine you coul dprobably kill it that way |
| 22:59.02 | edede | proftpd is killing my clients when they upload more than 700k ..anybody know why? or how to fix it |
| 22:59.18 | somiaj | interoz: you cn't close the port but you can block it, look into iptables and a firewall (though if you don't want it open you should really kill the program that opens it) |
| 22:59.39 | somiaj | edede: are you sure its proftpd? if so check the configs would be my guess. |
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| 22:59.43 | paulswm | hey lazarus, you really suck, tell me the command to install mozilla-thunderbird RIGHT NOW, I can't be bothered to look it up |
| 22:59.47 | edede | somiaj: it is |
| 22:59.48 | paulswm | lazarus: :> |
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| 22:59.58 | Knight_Lord | I have one thing to say about the i810 ALSA driver compared to the OSS driver using the nForce2 audio chip. That ALSA drive sucks really bad |
| 23:00.05 | edward | http://www.evilgeniuses.org.uk/~edward/brokenfonts.png <-- any ideas why my fonts look like this? |
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| 23:00.15 | somiaj | edede: check the config and man pages and see if for somereason you have a download cap. |
| 23:00.37 | edede | somiaj: the client is uploading from mac os x panther |
| 23:00.46 | Covener | edward: have fontconfig installed? |
| 23:00.50 | gwidion | oskie: HArd to know... :-) MAKEDEVFS left more than 5000 devices there. |
| 23:00.51 | edward | Covener: yep |
| 23:00.51 | interoz | somiaj: lazarus: Covener: thanks guys |
| 23:00.51 | somiaj | Knight_Lord: nForce sucks....(: |
| 23:01.03 | tbenita | Hi, I am currently using a Sarge as one of my production servers (I know it's verry bad, do't rock please) and I have an issue with mod_perl (sigfault)... Should I downgrade to Woody ? |
| 23:01.06 | Covener | edward: that's gtk2 app right? |
| 23:01.09 | edward | most gnome apps the fonts are fine |
| 23:01.10 | Knight_Lord | somiaj nForce drivers suck, not the hardware |
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| 23:01.18 | Covener | edward: running gnome, gnome-settings-daemon,or have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0? |
| 23:01.19 | edward | but some gtk2 apps, and all kde have fonts like that |
| 23:01.20 | oskie | gwidion: hmm.. that would ruin the whole point of devfs, creating a huge amount of devices manually in /de |
| 23:01.21 | gwidion | oskie: I gotta go. However you did help me to figure out a couiple of things. Thank you. I will google after it, with what I learned now later on. |
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| 23:01.39 | edward | no ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 23:01.44 | somiaj | edede: well that's the best I can do to help you with, I don't know what the problem is just ideas of where to begin the serach...(: |
| 23:01.44 | oskie | gwidion: ok.. come back some other time and we'll continue :) |
| 23:01.55 | gwidion | Thanks. |
| 23:01.56 | edward | gnome-settings-daemon is running |
| 23:01.59 | Covener | edward: have you set your font stuff up in gnome-control-center? |
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| 23:02.17 | Covener | edward: or even just gnome-font-properties |
| 23:02.20 | somiaj | Knight_Lord: well with nvidia keeping everything closed sorced I don't really care how good the hardware is they still suck, I for one would not waste my money on an nforce board when there are others out there just as good and better supported. |
| 23:02.36 | chance2105 | Ugh. MAKEDEV sg , for generic SCSI devices doesn't create sg0. :| |
| 23:02.37 | edward | Application font: Sans 7 |
| 23:02.43 | edward | Desktop font: Sans 7 |
| 23:02.49 | chance2105 | Supposed to, tho. |
| 23:02.55 | edward | Terminal font: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 7 |
| 23:02.58 | Covener | chance2105: kill yours first |
| 23:03.03 | oskie | edward: could be a lack of TrueType fonts, i.e. no good fonts installed |
| 23:03.17 | mEEgo | Hello people, the new installer cd "sarge", what kernel installs ? , beacuse i need to install sid, and i was thinking if use that cd , or isntall minimal woody and then upgrade to sid, whats the best/recomended option ? |
| 23:03.24 | Covener | edward: might want to run through http://www.cede.psu.edu/~covener/fonts.html |
| 23:03.25 | edward | can you recommend a truetype fonts deb i should install? |
| 23:03.31 | somiaj | chance2105: I missed what you were trying to do, but for my debian machines I have never needed to created the sg devices they have been already. |
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| 23:03.38 | paulswm | somiaj: good point, all I ever seem to see nowadays is questions from ppl in various stages of lostness with nvidia |
| 23:03.51 | Covener | edward: ttf-bitstream-vera and make them your sans/sans-serif fonts |
| 23:03.51 | edward | Covener: interesting, thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 23:04.16 | chance2105 | Covener: Ah. Deleting all of the 'sg' device, and re-running MAKEDEV got me there. |
| 23:04.17 | Covener | edward: can do that in your ~/.fonts.conf very quickly |
| 23:04.21 | enum | mEEgo: give the new installer a try and if it breaks write a bug report :) |
| 23:04.21 | chance2105 | Ok, testing cdrecord. |
| 23:04.33 | enum | mEEgo: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 23:04.41 | edward | ttf-bitstream-vera is installed |
| 23:04.46 | chance2105 | That did the trick. :) Toshiba DVD-RW shows as 0,0,0 |
| 23:04.51 | Covener | edward: i have ones you can take on that url |
| 23:05.06 | somiaj | paulswm: I think nvidia should of just stuck with video cards. (: |
| 23:05.09 | Covener | edward: that or cut/paste stanzas |
| 23:05.29 | chance2105 | somiaj: I simply don't know. I've allowed the various frontends (k3b) to configure my systems, always. Some odd reason, sg0 got changed to a symlink to scd0. |
| 23:05.42 | hax | i have a bunch of files i want to rm listed in remove.txt, how do i rm -f them? |
| 23:05.57 | enum | mEEgo: the 25-12-2003 daily build is broken though, try either an earlier or a later build |
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| 23:06.02 | Covener | hax: cat remove.txt|xargs rm (or something thereabout) |
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| 23:06.29 | somiaj | chance2105: Oi, yes that can be a problem, the only reason have ever needed to mess with the sg devices was for cdparanoia..I hope ya got it worked out now...(: |
| 23:06.40 | oskie | rm `cat remove.txt` .. but be careful, one wrong filename in remove.txt and you'll remove the wrong files |
| 23:06.54 | hax | oskie: there's too many arguements to do that with |
| 23:06.55 | squalliz | somebody from canada? |
| 23:06.56 | chance2105 | somiaj: It's been an all-day affair. :) seems its working, tho |
| 23:06.58 | hax | Covener: what is this xargs thing about? the man page isnt very helpful |
| 23:07.15 | oskie | hax: then xargs will work |
| 23:07.21 | lazarus | paulswm: :P |
| 23:07.22 | Covener | hax: takes a number of lines and slaps them together on a line in front of the cmd |
| 23:07.22 | somiaj | chance2105: well I'm glad, good work! |
| 23:07.33 | Covener | hax: try echo in there instead of rm |
| 23:07.39 | tbenita | Hi all, does anybody have sigfaults with mod_perl in sarge ? |
| 23:07.47 | lazarus | paulswm: the command begins with rm, let me look the rest up |
| 23:08.02 | edward | fc-list|egrep "Andale Mono|Vera Sans" <-- this doesn't show Andale Mono |
| 23:08.05 | paulswm | lazarus: -fr? :> |
| 23:08.13 | hax | Covener: why doesnt that say it has too many arguements? |
| 23:08.14 | lazarus | paulswm: could be :) |
| 23:08.14 | Covener | edward: msttcorefonts package |
| 23:08.16 | somiaj | tbenita: look in the bts, I belive the perel upgrade or one of its parts is messed. |
| 23:08.23 | edward | Covener: oh right, i skipped that bit |
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| 23:08.35 | hax | Covener: ls `cat list.txt` tells me too many arguements, cat list.txt | xargs ls works fine |
| 23:08.39 | hax | i dont understand |
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| 23:08.56 | tbenita | somiaj: what is the bts ? |
| 23:09.00 | somiaj | !bts |
| 23:09.01 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
| 23:09.13 | nk_root66 | hi there. I got no font in the menubar anymore. strange thing is, that I got the fonts if starting x as root... any suggestions would be highly appreciated |
| 23:09.13 | paulswm | lazarus: you're just a sucker for punishment, popping your head up over the trench again :) |
| 23:09.55 | eeyore- | what's the story with ATI support under linux now? is it "better" than Nvidia performance-wise? |
| 23:09.58 | chance2105 | Yeah, it works. |
| 23:10.07 | chance2105 | Covener: Thanks for your patience. |
| 23:10.12 | Covener | chance2105: np |
| 23:10.18 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- i just installed 9600XT today and it was quite a journey |
| 23:10.21 | eeyore- | i'm looking to (finally) upgrade my geforce2 to something newer |
| 23:10.31 | somiaj | hax: my understanding is bash(shells) only reserve so much memory for the command line, if your line is to long it won't process it, so that is what xargs is for. |
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| 23:10.36 | chance2105 | somiaj: I get fristrated with this room, easily. Hate to say. |
| 23:10.47 | chance2105 | somiaj: I'm sure some people in this room get frustrated with me. :) |
| 23:10.49 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- but performance is good i think (i'm getting about 3300 fps in glxgears) |
| 23:10.53 | hax | somiaj: so is it calling ls multiple times? |
| 23:10.55 | tbenita | somiaj: ok thanks ; is there a way to get the old packet back ? |
| 23:10.56 | eeyore- | since i'm planning to skip a generation or so :) i don't mind the 9600 range. in this range, the 9600 / geforce4 ti 4800 are quite comparable price-wise |
| 23:11.10 | eeyore- | Knight_Lord: tried ut2k3 yet? |
| 23:11.16 | Knight_Lord | eeyore- nope |
| 23:11.22 | somiaj | tbenita: check /var/cache/apt/archives, you might have the deb sitting there of the old version |
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| 23:11.51 | chance2105 | But, I've been using deb now for 1 1/2 years. It's my first UNIX. I've frequented this room for a year. |
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| 23:12.46 | chance2105 | I am consistently frustrated by people who (1) seriously _do not know_ or, worse yet, do not admit they don't know the solution to a problem |
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| 23:13.17 | Sebulba02 | Hmm. |
| 23:13.26 | eeyore- | chance2105: are you monopolizing the soapbox? |
| 23:13.34 | chance2105 | eeyore-, Hell yeah :) |
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| 23:13.48 | somiaj | chance2105: just rember we are all volenteers who see a lot of stupidity and other issues and some of us point it out and others of us belive we need to point people to places they can solve the problems themselves instead of being told how, as for the rules they have just been devoloped to try to make things run smoothly as possible here...(: |
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| 23:15.13 | lazarus | chance2105: onece again, this is *not* a "room" |
| 23:15.17 | chance2105 | somiaj: :) |
| 23:15.26 | master | ok, i just installed the latest kernel, and got the nvidia drivers installed, now when i do a startx, i get this: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initilize the NVIDIA kernel module and the next line: (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** im pretty sure i have /etc/X11/XF86config and /etc/X!!/XF86config-4 right, what should i try now? |
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| 23:15.30 | edward | Fonts still aren't happy |
| 23:15.37 | af_ | I see a room here :) |
| 23:15.44 | edward | (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID". |
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| 23:15.52 | Covener | edward: nah |
| 23:16.02 | eeyore- | master: did you install nvidia-kernel-source package and build it along with your kernel? |
| 23:16.05 | Covener | master: reinstall nvidia binary drivers |
| 23:16.15 | edward | Covener: i ran through your checklist |
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| 23:16.21 | LightKnight | edward: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow x-ttcidfont-conf |
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| 23:16.29 | master | Covener : i just installed them after i installed this kernel |
| 23:16.46 | somiaj | master: before you reinstall the nvidia drivers you may want to just 'modprobe nvidia' and make sure its in the kernel. |
| 23:16.51 | eeyore- | edward: (WW) = warning, not errors, can be ignored |
| 23:16.53 | master | ok |
| 23:16.59 | Covener | edward: so everything looks bad still? |
| 23:17.11 | edward | Covener: no, hardly any of ths stuff i use looked bad |
| 23:17.12 | snoke | anyone can help how install grub to promise fasttrack software raid conroller ? |
| 23:17.17 | edward | just the occasional app |
| 23:17.20 | edward | which wasn't gnome2 |
| 23:17.20 | mEEgo | enum, thanks |
| 23:17.35 | master | somiaj : it is in the kernel |
| 23:17.35 | edward | but since i made some changes my fonts have got even smaller |
| 23:17.45 | edward | i can hardly read this gnome terminal |
| 23:18.09 | master | eeyore- : and where is this nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 23:18.11 | somiaj | snoke: don't ask to aks, first after you install grup, go read /usr/share/doc/grub then come back with a specific question. |
| 23:18.15 | icecold | snoke: which fs? |
| 23:18.25 | tbenita | somiaj: bts gives an error : "sensible-browser: No file or folder of this type" another bug ? |
| 23:18.32 | eeyore- | master: it's a debian package. apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 23:19.01 | snoke | icecold: ext3 on (hd0,0) witch is /boot |
| 23:19.07 | master | eeyore- i seem to recall installing it before i upgraded kernels... do i have to reinstall it or...? |
| 23:19.11 | edward | right, i have nice fonts again for most of my desktop |
| 23:19.17 | somiaj | master: if its in the kernel but having troubles loading X my guess is either something is wrong with the nvidia module and you need to rebuild it, or something is wrong with your XF86Config. |
| 23:19.37 | eeyore- | master: you can install the package. but, it doesn't do you ANY GOOD unless you RECOMPILE KERNEL |
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| 23:20.22 | master | eeyore- : ahh, so i cant just install it, well i installed kernel-image, is there any easy way of recompliling it? |
| 23:20.39 | somiaj | eeyore-: umm, why can't he just complie the nvidia module agasint the kernel he is running? |
| 23:21.26 | somiaj | master: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-src (it might be source instead of src) |
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| 23:22.14 | z|bandito | didn't i see something about viewing images in the console recently? |
| 23:22.15 | master | somiaj : it says i already have the newest version :D |
| 23:22.21 | z|bandito | or like a text browser that supports images? |
| 23:22.24 | eeyore- | master: install kernel-source-2.4.22, cd /usr/src, unpack kernel source, unpack nvidia kernel source, unpack any other modules you want to make. check /usr/src/modules for completeness, cd kernel-source-2.4.22, make-kpkg --config menuconfig --revision custom.01 --append-to-version -1-custom kernel_image modules_image kernel_headers |
| 23:22.29 | snoke | somiaj: i know how grub works in normal case.. but question is how install grub to promise fasttrack software raid. grub says /dev/ataraid/d0 is not corresponding bios drive |
| 23:22.45 | somiaj | master: well then onto step 2, and read some docs |
| 23:22.54 | RainbowW | is there something wild and new i need to know about using 2.6.0 with lilo and sid? i'm using the upgrade howto at kerneltrap.org, and i'm getting inability to mount root even with the root= option in lilo.conf |
| 23:23.12 | z|bandito | you can't put your boot partition on a raid device unless it is hardware raid |
| 23:23.37 | z|bandito | afaik |
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| 23:23.47 | somiaj | eeyore-: I still don't see why you are suggesting he compile a new kernel when he doesn't need to. |
| 23:23.54 | paulswm | snoke: I don't think grub will boot software raid device, only lilo can do that |
| 23:24.03 | eeyore- | somiaj: you probably never will |
| 23:24.36 | edward | http://www.evilgeniuses.org.uk/~edward/desktop1.png <-- that's what my fonts look like for the whole desktop |
| 23:24.42 | snoke | paulswm: yes it can, i done that ones but dont remember any more how |
| 23:24.58 | master | is there any way to dump a session in BitchX to console? |
| 23:25.34 | z|bandito | lilo would probably need to be on a seperate boot partition or boot floppy if your / is on md0 though, right? |
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| 23:25.59 | icecold | edward: need antialiasing enabled. |
| 23:26.02 | master | ok, im going to my work where i can get on broadband |
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| 23:26.11 | master | ill be on in like 20 mins |
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| 23:26.49 | deejoe | master: you can run bitchx-text, if I recall correctly |
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| 23:26.50 | edward | icecold: you think? |
| 23:26.54 | paulswm | z|bandito: not sure, I don't think so, I remember reading about it, but I don't use raid myself so never tried it. |
| 23:26.58 | icecold | edward: yes. |
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| 23:27.00 | edward | my gnome apps are fine |
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| 23:27.38 | icecold | edward: gnome app fonts or what are you talking about? |
| 23:27.47 | z|bandito | maybe lilo can load into the drive MBR or something at a lower level than grub |
| 23:27.51 | edward | gnome font preferences has font rendering set to subpixel smoothing |
| 23:28.01 | edward | icecold: no, the gtk2 app and kphone, which is kde |
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| 23:28.46 | edward | Cronos II is my demo app with crazy looking fonts |
| 23:28.56 | paulswm | z|bandito: lilo uses physical disk addresses on boot becuase it can build a map on install, and it soesn't need to know about filesystems. grub can only boot from filesystems which it itself understands |
| 23:29.16 | paulswm | z|bandito: scuse the crappy typing |
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| 23:29.41 | z|bandito | lol |
| 23:29.55 | paulswm | :) |
| 23:30.03 | z|bandito | i see |
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| 23:32.24 | elkrammer | how do i change de apt frontend? i want to change back from gnome apt fronend to classic dialog |
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| 23:33.26 | yaman | does anyone have the faintest clue what "rm api" is? |
| 23:33.46 | somiaj | elkrammer: umm, do you mean the debconf way of asking questions about backage configs? |
| 23:33.47 | nvz | elkrammer: dpkg-reconfigure dpkg I think |
| 23:34.08 | nvz | elkrammer: no wait, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 23:34.08 | somiaj | elkrammer: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 23:34.11 | icecold | dpkg: beat it |
| 23:34.37 | elkrammer | somiaj, nvz: thanks a lot :D |
| 23:34.39 | elkrammer | that worked |
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| 23:35.18 | somiaj | elkrammer: for future reference that is not a apt frontend. |
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| 23:35.39 | edward | okay, i was wrong, the app in the screenshot is gtk1.2 |
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| 23:36.43 | paulswm | oh-oh |
| 23:36.46 | djw | um nice |
| 23:36.58 | paulswm | Snta again no doubt |
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| 23:37.20 | somiaj | go debhelper |
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| 23:37.30 | CSWookie_ | Has anyone here used 2.4.22 kernel? is it solid? |
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| 23:38.36 | tele | is there a kernel-source-2.6 (final release) package somewhere? |
| 23:38.37 | phogg | CSWookie_: as compared to what? The 2.4.21 kernel? |
| 23:38.46 | somiaj | CSWookie_: I'm sure there are many people here who have used the 2.4.22 kernel, and its fairly solid if you have it patched against the recent local root exploite. |
| 23:39.12 | somiaj | tele: nope, test9 is the latest I've seen in debian, though you can use the one from kernel.org with no problems...(: |
| 23:39.14 | Brakki | gya |
| 23:39.17 | enum | tele: people.debian.org/~herbert |
| 23:39.18 | Brakki | i can't mount my cd drives |
| 23:39.26 | tele | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:39.32 | ModestCargo | Brakki why ot? |
| 23:39.33 | CSWookie_ | somiaj: I asked because 2.4.19 had been creepy at me. |
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| 23:39.55 | adamhall | there's 2.4.23 too, and i lik eit |
| 23:40.09 | somiaj | CSWookie_: what do you mean creepy? I have had no problems with any of the 2.4 kerneles since .18 |
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| 23:40.29 | edward | should xfontsel only list one size for bitstream vera sans? |
| 23:40.32 | somiaj | edward: slow and steady fixes the box. |
| 23:40.37 | CSWookie_ | somiaj: It's ben a while... i just rememebr having problems, and IO'm getting my dad set up. Thanks all. |
| 23:40.40 | edward | it only shows size 17 |
| 23:40.51 | alem | anyone here running licq ? |
| 23:40.57 | edward | if i set .gtkrc to size 17 the fonts look okay, but to big |
| 23:41.07 | Brakki | MoesdtCargo: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, or too many mounted file systems |
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| 23:41.34 | Brakki | s/MoesdtCargo/ModestCargo |
| 23:41.36 | somiaj | CSWookie_: well just realize problems are not always the kernels fault, if in doubt I suggest you get the premade 2.4.22 kernel image from debian. |
| 23:41.37 | alem | i am doing ./configure on debian but it cant detect qt |
| 23:41.53 | alem | trying to compile licq qt-gui |
| 23:42.00 | adamhall | Brakki: tab autocomplete is a good thing |
| 23:42.06 | oven | alem - apt-get install libqt3-dev |
| 23:42.09 | Brakki | anybody know why gcc can't create executables? |
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| 23:42.16 | Brakki | NEATO |
| 23:42.22 | somiaj | alem: I've seen that issue before with other people, I think you may have to point ./configure directly at the qt libarys, look at ./configure --help |
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| 23:42.25 | icecold | Brakki: wow! |
| 23:42.31 | holycow | hey :) |
| 23:42.46 | tbenita | somiaj: I found the bug with bts : the issue was in perl 5.8.2; I found the 5.8.0 pachages in /var/cache/apt/archives , installed them back and everithing works ! Many thanks ! Thierry. |
| 23:42.51 | alem | somiaj: where are they located ? |
| 23:42.59 | RainbowW | I'm getting a kernel panic trying to mount root under both 2.4.18 and 2.6.0, but not 2.2.20. sid gcc 3.3 and lilo. root=/dev/hda2. is there something i'm missing about specifying where root is? does the kernel have to be linked from /, or can it reside solely in /boot which is /dev/hda1? |
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| 23:43.24 | somiaj | alem: dpkg -L libqt-dev (or what ever the package that contains the header is called to look) I don't use qt so don't know. |
| 23:43.41 | Brakki | so then |
| 23:43.41 | alem | somiaj: i allready have it installed |
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| 23:43.43 | holycow | k. so i installed the 2.4.23 kernel package... man debian rox... i ran into one issue i'm certain is as a result of something else... now i dont have eth0 listed when i do ifconfig but tap0. i haven't been able to google any usefull info on this... what is tap0 and how can i get the system back to use eth0? |
| 23:43.44 | Brakki | my optical drives |
| 23:44.00 | somiaj | alem: dpkg -L list the files in the package so you can see where things are located. |
| 23:44.09 | nk_root66 | huh guys, strange problem. I can view the content of my home-dir with typing "ls" but I can't view it with "ls -la" then the box hangs and must be breaked with CTRL-C. any hints? |
| 23:44.28 | mcarugno | hi there, i'm trying to use the icewm's 'startup' script, but i can't get it to work |
| 23:44.30 | b0rked | hey got a question, using ext3, do I still need to remount the filesystem read only in the case of an error, in other words, do I need errors=remount-ro in my /etc/fstab for an ext3 entry? |
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| 23:44.45 | somiaj | RainbowW: did you compile all those kernels yourself? are you using initrd? |
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| 23:44.58 | enum | nk_root66: does "getent passwd" or "getent group" also hang? |
| 23:45.10 | Award | With 2.6 using xcdroast I still get a long delay while it's trying to find the medium...allegedly ATAPI is the reccommended interface for an IDE drive with 2.6. Are there any other possible causes? |
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| 23:45.25 | RainbowW | somiaj: 2.2.20 is the stock idepci. 2.4.18 is the debian sid version for k7. 2.6.0 is custom compiled. i've never learned how to do an initrd or why i'd want to, so you can guess the answer. :) |
| 23:45.29 | nk_root66 | how can I see how many persons are logged in at the time? |
| 23:45.48 | ljlane | nk_root66: w or who |
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| 23:46.10 | Sebulba02 | holycow: tap0 is a tuntap device, do you have the module for your eth0 loaded? |
| 23:46.16 | re_garcia | is anybody using Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller ? with kernerl 2.6? |
| 23:46.26 | oven | RainbowW - I presume you have compiled ide and ext2 _into_ the kernel? |
| 23:46.28 | DCH | how do I start the GUI of debian, or is there one? |
| 23:46.33 | oven | RainbowW - that is; not as a module? |
| 23:46.35 | RainbowW | oven: yes. |
| 23:46.42 | gp | lol, the GUI of debian |
| 23:46.47 | hax | rofl gp |
| 23:46.52 | gp | hax |
| 23:46.59 | somiaj | RainbowW: well if you get a kernel panic when your trying to mount / there could be lots of issues, one is your root fs isn't compiled into the kernel, in the case its not compiled into your kernel but compiled as a module you need to use initrd so it can load the module then mount the root fs. |
| 23:47.03 | oven | dch - apt-get install kde :) |
| 23:47.06 | hax | gp: he must be using a bad japanese irc client |
| 23:47.17 | hax | you have no chance to survive make your time! |
| 23:47.42 | gp | LOL |
| 23:47.42 | DCH | are you making fun of me? |
| 23:47.55 | re_garcia | DHC: startx |
| 23:47.55 | gp | lol hax |
| 23:47.59 | hax | DCH: yeah, and its working out pretty well |
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| 23:48.10 | phogg | DCH: debian, like all linux distros, does not have a GUI. It has X, and a bevy of nifty window managers. |
| 23:48.11 | RainbowW | somiaj: ext2 is compiled monolithic, just like the rest of my kernel atm. |
| 23:48.12 | DCH | noob haters |
| 23:48.22 | hax | DCH: i'm just kidding :P |
| 23:48.28 | oven | DCH - you need to install kde and kdm. That also implies installing xfree86, which is the 'gui', or whatever |
| 23:48.36 | hax | kde is pretty evil, imho |
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| 23:48.41 | holycow | Sebulba02 how weird, i've never heard of a tuntap device |
| 23:48.42 | adamhall | yeah it is |
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| 23:48.56 | somiaj | dch: the gui in debian is Xwindows, to get it apt-get install x-window-system, though once you have it you may want to put other stuff on top of it more to your liking. |
| 23:48.58 | oven | hax - if he doesn't know which 'gui' to use, I suggest he starts with kde |
| 23:48.58 | basho | hmmm kde aint look more evil than gnome to me |
| 23:49.00 | holycow | Sebulba02 let me check about module that makes sense |
| 23:49.05 | gp | xwindows? lol |
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| 23:49.21 | hax | oven: fair enough :P |
| 23:49.30 | basho | actually i always found kde faster than gnome... although im still preferring gnome cause it feels better |
| 23:49.31 | somiaj | kde is evil.....turn them onto gnome...(: |
| 23:49.45 | basho | somiaj, aah dont believe everything RMS says ;-) |
| 23:49.48 | DCH | i am a longhardened windows user just learning linux, gimme a break |
| 23:50.09 | oven | DCH - yes. Type `apt-get install kde kdm` into your console, as root |
| 23:50.14 | Sebulba02 | holycow: alrighty |
| 23:50.18 | oven | DCH - if you are root, the prompt is a # sign. |
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| 23:50.29 | DCH | ya, i knew that |
| 23:50.30 | basho | am not sure if Debian is the distro to start as a noob... DCH is a tough guy hehe |
| 23:50.32 | hax | DCH: here's how it works: you've got the XFree86 system, thats what lets you have video... then you have kde/gnome/wmaker/fvwm, and a bunch of other windows managers... those run inside of X to give you what you think of as a 'gui' |
| 23:50.37 | phogg | basho: That's Perens. RMS should be in favor of KDE, since it forces apps to be GPL if they want to play. |
| 23:50.41 | somiaj | DCH: install x-window-system then after you get that working either install gnome or kde (those are the two most popular desktops to use) |
| 23:50.59 | DCH | which is better? |
| 23:51.00 | hax | DCH: kde/gnome are 'desktop environments' and come with login managers such as kdm and gdm |
| 23:51.10 | oven | somiaj - if he attempts to install kde, i suppose x-window-system will be installed as a requirement |
| 23:51.10 | basho | phogg, actually RMS was always in favor of Gnome (over KDE) cause that very ol license issue with qt |
| 23:51.20 | DCH | are cisco boards compatable w/ debian |
| 23:51.22 | hax | DCH: wmaker/blackbox/whatever are true window managers and dont come with any of that |
| 23:51.27 | oven | DCH - they are quite equal, and people argue abouth which is better. |
| 23:51.33 | somiaj | oven: yea though getting X working the first time isn't that simple, so why not take smaller steps. |
| 23:51.37 | hax | DCH: for a nub, you probably want KDE, eventually you'll want wmaker |
| 23:51.39 | somiaj | !better |
| 23:51.39 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 23:51.45 | basho | DCH, if they are compatible with Linux they are compatible with Debian (no clue though) |
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| 23:51.51 | master | ok, im back |
| 23:51.54 | phogg | basho: I think he's gotten over that by now. I remember seeing a bit about him hanging out with the KDE folks at some con a while back. |
| 23:52.05 | Covener | dch: boards? |
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| 23:52.17 | oven | somiaj - well, ok |
| 23:52.21 | hax | phogg: blaspheme! |
| 23:52.28 | DCH | a pcmcia wireless lan card and a pcmcia to pci adapter |
| 23:52.37 | phogg | hax: I saw it on slashdot! It must be true. |
| 23:52.40 | oven | DCH - but those suggesting that you try a different distribution might be right |
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| 23:52.44 | DCH | bot by cisco |
| 23:52.49 | Covener | dch: i use minopci air350 and pcmcia aironet 350 |
| 23:52.50 | hax | DCH: the wireless one is almost definitely supported, maybe not the pci thing |
| 23:52.53 | master | i know that debian has many kernel patches from the vinalla kernel, can someone help walk me through getting the latest source from kernel.org, and patching it with all debians patches, and installing nvidia drivers please? |
| 23:52.53 | oven | DCH - Debian is particularly difficult for new users of linux |
| 23:52.54 | basho | phogg, maybe he just isn't taking this personally.. he's a nice guy in private life after all i suppose |
| 23:53.01 | holycow | crap, http cache proxy server seems to startup ? wtf? theres no squid on here? damn |
| 23:53.03 | hax | oven: no more so than gentoo |
| 23:53.08 | oven | DCH - I'd try RedHat, if I were you. |
| 23:53.10 | Covener | dch: is the pci thing made by cisco or TI? I've used ones from TI fine w/ debian |
| 23:53.12 | basho | DCH, you gotta find out if its supported in the linux wireless project or wherever |
| 23:53.17 | nk_root66 | anyone of you installed azureus? |
| 23:53.17 | oven | hax - agreeable :) |
| 23:53.22 | DCH | cisco |
| 23:53.23 | hax | oven: you're just full of helpful newbie advice, arent you? ;0 |
| 23:53.33 | DCH | i was told to use debian to run a webserver |
| 23:53.35 | hax | first kde? now redhat? |
| 23:53.48 | oven | hax - well, you've got to be pragmatic about it :) |
| 23:54.00 | hax | DCH: if you're not planning on using it as a desktop, apache does run on windows :P |
| 23:54.04 | basho | DCH, well running the webserver is easy.. but setting up a wireless card isn't :P |
| 23:54.05 | oven | hax - if you've never used linux before, which would be less difficult; kde or window maker? |
| 23:54.21 | basho | DCH, actually for running a webserver i'd recommend debian, too |
| 23:54.25 | phogg | DCH: if it's a server, you do not need x windows |
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| 23:54.36 | basho | yeah phogg is right... |
| 23:54.38 | master | who in here wants to vote oven a blastphamus troll? he's on irc.debian.net and in #debian and he's reccomending redhat :D |
| 23:54.43 | basho | DCH, apt-get install apache does the trick |
| 23:54.51 | hax | oven: apache on win32 would be least difficult, really |
| 23:54.58 | hax | oven: if his only reason is to run a apache |
| 23:54.58 | DCH | well, id feel more comfortable with running a gui for a while |
| 23:55.03 | oven | hax - yes, but I wouldn't recommend that :) |
| 23:55.10 | master | oven, when i first started with linux, i felt right in place with windowmaker |
| 23:55.19 | DCH | winnt is VERY insecure |
| 23:55.28 | hax | DCH: oh, you want security? |
| 23:55.30 | Covener | dch: that's a very dumb statement |
| 23:55.30 | DCH | thats why i went to linux |
| 23:55.31 | master | win* is insecure |
| 23:55.33 | hax | yeah, you're gonna have to run debian then :) |
| 23:55.39 | DCH | true |
| 23:55.39 | basho | DCH, if you needed comfort you'd use Xandros Linux |
| 23:55.40 | danac | i'm compiling a kernel with alsa from source, and i read a howto that said to use export ALSA_CARDS= to specify cards to compile drivers for, it's still compiling drivers for EVERYTHING, any ideas on how to trim things down a bit? |
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| 23:56.05 | master | i know that debian has many kernel patches from the vinalla kernel, can someone help walk me through getting the latest source from kernel.org, and patching it with all debians patches, alsa, and installing nvidia drivers please? |
| 23:56.10 | oven | DCH - did you install debian using a cd? |
| 23:56.15 | Sebulba02 | danac: --with-cards is what you want. |
| 23:56.16 | hax | DCH: you do realize the 'gui' is essentially just a place to keep a bunch of terminal windows in, right? |
| 23:56.23 | phogg | DCH: perhaps you should try out knoppix? It installs easily, is debian-based, and will give you a GUI with no fuss. |
| 23:56.26 | basho | from what i heard Xandros is debian based commercial linux with a lot of nifty comfortable extras |
| 23:56.35 | basho | yeah Knoppix is the best for noobs |
| 23:56.37 | oven | phogg - a webserver on knoppix? |
| 23:56.39 | danac | Sebuilba02: at what stage to i issue that argument? |
| 23:56.45 | Sebulba02 | danac: are you compiling alsa or the kernel? |
| 23:56.45 | master | i reccomend knoppix to everyone |
| 23:56.46 | phogg | oven: why not? |
| 23:56.51 | basho | oven, aah he needs the gui to get comfortable first anyway |
| 23:56.54 | DCH | i installed with the cd, yes |
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| 23:57.32 | oven | phogg - then he'd have to fiddle with read-only file systems |
| 23:57.35 | hax | DCH: what kind of video card do you have? |
| 23:57.42 | redrick | basho, master: Knoppix has some drawbacks if one aims to apt-get maintain an HD installation. |
| 23:57.44 | danac | Sebuilba02 both, make-kpkg kernel_image then odules_image |
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| 23:57.54 | phogg | oven: Knoppix does not have to be booted from CD. |
| 23:57.57 | DCH | not sure, lemme check |
| 23:58.00 | danac | modules_image i mean |
| 23:58.09 | oven | phogg - sorry, I didn't know that |
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| 23:58.21 | hax | DCH: most are supported, but you're going to want to check your monitors refresh rates and your video card before you install X |
| 23:58.29 | hax | DCH: cause you'll need that information to get it working decently |
| 23:58.31 | Sebulba02 | danac: Oh, sorry. I thought you'd gotten the alsa src. My bad. It could be maybe it is compiling only that for your card, some cards have a lot to compile. |
| 23:58.37 | master | redrick : yes but i reccomend it to n00bs who still run win32 and dont know how to repartition, hell most of them havent even heard of fdisk |
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| 23:58.48 | nk_root66 | hi there. lame question: how do I add a path so that the command is runnable from all dirs? |
| 23:58.52 | DCH | it is an s3 ViRGE |
| 23:59.12 | oven | DCH - have you edited a file called '/etc/apt/sources.list' since you installed, in order to 'upgrade' to debian/unstable? |
| 23:59.19 | basho | nk_root66, you have to add it to $PATH |
| 23:59.19 | Sebulba02 | nk_root66: export PATH=$PATH:/new/path |
| 23:59.20 | master | can someone help me patch a vinilla kernel with debian patches, alsa, and nvidia drivers? |
| 23:59.28 | basho | yay |
| 23:59.33 | hax | DCH: i'm not familiar with that specific card, but i'm pretty sure you'll be good with that |
| 23:59.35 | danac | Sebulba02 ok then maybe it is really working after all |
| 23:59.38 | danac | thanks |
| 23:59.38 | DCH | i installed like ten minutes ago, found no gui and shut down |
| 23:59.47 | nk_root66 | and steadily? I mean that it consists after reboot? |
| 23:59.48 | DCH | it is a well supported card |
| 23:59.50 | Sebulba02 | danac: Maybe, dunno. Depends on the card. |
| 23:59.51 | hax | DCH: you're not in linux now? |
| 23:59.57 | DCH | no |
