| 00:00.03 | Kraig | no one |
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| 00:00.27 | Kraig | asac: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt.html try this one |
| 00:00.32 | pato | or anyone here have xfree86 4.3? |
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| 00:00.37 | asac | Kraig: thx for that one |
| 00:00.37 | simonrvn | @tell pato about root |
| 00:00.51 | simonrvn | @tell root___ about root |
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| 00:00.54 | flan | ok I understand that QM_MODULE not implemented means I need the module_init_tools package... however, when I go to install the module_init_tools package it conflicts with modutils... know of any work around? |
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| 00:01.07 | pme | bwahaha. |
| 00:01.12 | simonrvn | @tell root_____ about root |
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| 00:01.42 | intero | martijn: spaze? |
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| 00:01.56 | martijn | spaze? |
| 00:02.14 | pme | @keep telling root_* about root until root_* figures out that he's still irc'ing as the root user. |
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| 00:02.25 | intero | nothing, forget it, martijn |
| 00:02.55 | flan | ok terrific back to the drawing board |
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| 00:03.32 | simonrvn | thank $deity for an improved scheduler in 2.6 |
| 00:03.59 | simonrvn | cef: i very much doubt it |
| 00:04.14 | pme | hm, it didn't bitch at me about @keep. I wonder if that's a real command and I broke something. |
| 00:04.25 | cef | simonrvn: me either.. *grin* |
| 00:04.40 | simonrvn | @+keep |
| 00:04.47 | simonrvn | !keep |
| 00:04.58 | simonrvn | ~keep |
| 00:05.04 | martijn | anyone have the deb-mirror near hand for nvidia-kernelmodules? |
| 00:05.22 | martijn | i know dpkg stores the information but i cant find it |
| 00:05.43 | petemc | ~ |
| 00:05.48 | dondelelcaro | martijn: dpkg -L nvidia-kernelmodules |
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| 00:06.08 | Kraig | flooders |
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| 00:06.30 | tapas | hi, is there a "debian way" to get mathml fonts in mozilla? |
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| 00:07.10 | martijn | i hate nvidia |
| 00:07.26 | dasunt | martijn: Tried ATi yet? |
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| 00:07.40 | fritz | anyone using sim icq client on debian ? |
| 00:07.49 | martijn | nopes have too do with this stupid card |
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| 00:08.27 | Kraig | nvidia is for patient people |
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| 00:08.48 | simonrvn | nvidia is for people that don't care if they have crappy binary-only drivers |
| 00:09.05 | Kraig | but works |
| 00:09.07 | beta3 | nvidia is for the people that truly aren't free |
| 00:09.08 | stonie | hello all |
| 00:09.11 | tapas | simonrvn: hehe, they work nicely here :) |
| 00:09.17 | martijn | lol is there anyone who likes nvidia |
| 00:09.18 | qazix | simonrvn, for great 3D performance there really is no other option (ATi's fglrx sucks. badly. IMO) |
| 00:09.27 | cafuego | simonrvn: These days there are worse things than binary-only nvidia drivers. |
| 00:09.31 | beta3 | I use dri |
| 00:09.33 | beta3 | :) |
| 00:09.39 | stonie | where this host logged when u login?: "Last login: Sun Dec 28 21:40:56 2003 from dsl-112.12..12.3.arcor-ip.net" |
| 00:09.46 | qazix | dri here too, but the perf isn't that great :( |
| 00:09.49 | dondelelcaro | stonie: in lastlog |
| 00:09.54 | stonie | thought so |
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| 00:10.04 | tapas | i would love if vendors would create binary only drivers for their h/w. i always wonder why they aren't more generous on docs though.. |
| 00:10.08 | simonrvn | cafuego: things so non-open and non-free that you're selling out your soul and your computer to $$$ ? :) |
| 00:10.11 | nimbler | anyone, know of any tools that decode java byte code back to source? |
| 00:10.14 | tapas | but bin only is better than nothing |
| 00:10.38 | hanasaki | how can i run a command on every file in a directory? |
| 00:10.39 | asac | nimbler: jad |
| 00:10.43 | hanasaki | i am in bash |
| 00:10.44 | dondelelcaro | tapas: sure, but binary only means that I won't be buying their video cards, thank you very much. |
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| 00:10.52 | nimbler | asac: thanks |
| 00:10.54 | stonie | thx |
| 00:10.56 | Yan^ | hello people, I tried to install x-windows for the newly installed debain , but failed, could somebody help? |
| 00:10.57 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: using find |
| 00:11.01 | martijn | im going too try again thanx guys cu later |
| 00:11.04 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: find . -type f |xargs foo |
| 00:11.14 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 00:11.29 | cafuego | simonrvn: 'NDISWRAPPER' - a kernel module that lets you use WINDOWS binary-only drivers for your unsupported wifi cards. |
| 00:11.31 | docelic | well, Yan^, saying how it failed would help :) |
| 00:11.35 | cwd | what's the name of the app that scans the files on my box and tells me which ones are from debian packages, and which arent? |
| 00:11.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell Yan^ about set up x |
| 00:11.39 | cwd | i totally forget |
| 00:11.49 | tapas | dondelelcaro: yes, that's your choice.. |
| 00:12.23 | simonrvn | cafuego: eeeeeeeeew |
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| 00:12.34 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yah |
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| 00:13.04 | cafuego | simonrvn: So really, nic manufacturers don't need to write Linux drivers anymore at all, we'll just use the windows ones. |
| 00:13.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: fuck them, fuck them witha big rubber dick |
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| 00:13.56 | cafuego | <heee> |
| 00:13.57 | Kraig | simonrvn: that sound cool, now, we will pay them ! |
| 00:14.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I think we're into the massive dildo range... perhaps A Clockwork Orange size? |
| 00:14.17 | simonrvn | Kraig: ? |
| 00:14.19 | Kraig | jeje |
| 00:14.23 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 00:14.31 | simonrvn | hehehee |
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| 00:15.29 | pme | Never saw any of the movie versions. |
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| 00:16.28 | petemc | stanley kubrick was one of few directors that could make a movie better than the book |
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| 00:17.11 | dondelelcaro | http://cinemaspace.berkeley.edu/AlexCohen/ClockworkOrange/art_death.mov |
| 00:17.22 | dondelelcaro | death by oversized phallus ^^^^^ |
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| 00:17.31 | simonrvn | some folks say "your choice" some of them saying implicitely 'oh it's ok if you use closed source stuff', but you're only helping to repress yourself, and helping corps. like nvidia, m$hit, and many others do s/w *only* for money, and not to provide a service (as well as make money, though i don't see the point of money, complicates things). |
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| 00:18.15 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: its in the same range as its your choice to commit suicide... but don't expect #debian to help you. |
| 00:18.41 | nimbler | asac: dude, that jad thing is quite possibly the coolest program ever! |
| 00:18.54 | simonrvn | ...and the whole point to s/w, at least as far as i see it, is to make a computer run, and be reliable. if you can't even see what you're getting in the source, how can you be sure that your server say, is a secure one? |
| 00:18.55 | qazix | simonrvn, right now, the only choice for better-than-decent 3D performance is CSS drivers. |
| 00:19.06 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: *nods* |
| 00:19.15 | pato | where i can get xfree4.3? |
| 00:19.18 | cwd | what's the name of the app that scans the files on my box and tells me which ones are from debian packages, and which arent? |
| 00:19.19 | Kraig | nimbler: asac is no longer here |
| 00:19.22 | pato | experimental is so slow |
| 00:19.25 | qazix | simonrvn, the next closest thing is DRI for ATi cards, but that's lacking some things (S3TC most significantly) |
| 00:19.25 | dondelelcaro | pato: from experimental. |
| 00:19.27 | simonrvn | qazix: only gamers and opengl programmers care about '3d performance' |
| 00:19.38 | dondelelcaro | pato: there are mirrors of experimental, you know... |
| 00:19.38 | qazix | simonrvn, indeed, and i'm one of those =P |
| 00:19.52 | simonrvn | what, gamer or opengl programmer? |
| 00:19.57 | qazix | gamer. |
| 00:20.11 | pato | dondelelcaro, no i dont, where i can find it? |
| 00:20.28 | qazix | Q3 Urban Terror is still my MP game of choice, and I play it in Linux. |
| 00:20.31 | elmig | since when performance isn't a good thing? |
| 00:20.45 | elmig | for everyone? |
| 00:20.48 | pme | simonrvn: You don't see the point of money? It's very useful to roll up and set on fire, when you need something to light a fat cigar with. |
| 00:20.55 | Azhrarn | when it invalidates your argument? |
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| 00:21.08 | simonrvn | pme: good point :) |
| 00:21.37 | Kraig | but that means it make us be lazy people |
| 00:21.43 | Kraig | i doubt we want that |
| 00:21.46 | xirtam | hey i have a box without network support. kernel module for eth0 is loaded. i can configure the networkcard. on ifconfig eth0 up i get: SIOCSIFFLAGS resource or device busy ... any ideas about that? |
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| 00:22.14 | Azhrarn | Possibly wrong module |
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| 00:22.29 | xirtam | no the module is ok ... |
| 00:22.44 | Kraig | weird |
| 00:22.47 | Azhrarn | Which module? |
| 00:22.54 | Azhrarn | And which card? |
| 00:23.00 | pato | apt |
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| 00:23.17 | muncc2beo | Anyone having sound working on a 2.6.0 kernel - can you tell me which version of alsa-base you use? |
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| 00:23.42 | pato | dondelelcaro, where do i find the mirrors? |
| 00:23.47 | xirtam | 8139too |
| 00:23.54 | qazix | muncc2beo, 0.9.8-3 |
| 00:23.59 | xirtam | realtek card 8139 |
| 00:24.10 | muncc2beo | qazix: hmmm, some guy on #alsa says I need 1.0rc2 |
| 00:24.11 | petemc | muncc2beo: with the oss emulation, you dont need any alsa stuff installed, it should just work |
| 00:24.16 | Azhrarn | urgh realtek is a pain in the ass |
| 00:24.32 | qazix | muncc2beo, nope. I've been using 2.6 [test] kernels for a while and haven't had a prob. |
| 00:24.36 | xirtam | Azhrarn: but this card worked very well for me ... |
| 00:24.53 | xirtam | lsmod |
| 00:25.15 | Azhrarn | realtek in general is a pain |
| 00:25.19 | Azhrarn | which kernel do you have? |
| 00:25.36 | xirtam | 2.4.18 |
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| 00:25.55 | pato | r |
| 00:26.03 | Azhrarn | hrmm, not sure if 8139too was being used in that kernel yet, should be though |
| 00:26.17 | Azhrarn | the module had a different name previously |
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| 00:27.38 | Azhrarn | try using discover, it may do the right thing |
| 00:27.39 | spiekey | hi |
| 00:27.54 | Azhrarn | or try loading rtl8139 instead |
| 00:28.15 | spiekey | when i start X and go back into my console then fonts are all pixely and the last line is missing, its too low down. |
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| 00:28.47 | spiekey | any idea? |
| 00:29.09 | Azhrarn | err actually rtl8139 should have went out with 2.4.2 |
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| 00:30.47 | Azhrarn | xirtam: not sure assuming the module is compiled correctly. Try explicitly calling ifdown and such on the interface, and then bringing it back up |
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| 00:31.47 | pato | where do i find the mirrors of experimental?? |
| 00:32.11 | Steven_ | experimental and unstable are the same thing I think |
| 00:32.40 | cef | Steven_: nope |
| 00:32.53 | cafuego | No, they're not. |
| 00:33.12 | cafuego | pato: Do you think it would be a good idea to use experimental if you can't even find how to set it up? |
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| 00:33.23 | Azhrarn | don't think experimental has mirrors? |
| 00:33.34 | Azhrarn | not much point |
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| 00:34.53 | cef | Azhrarn: depends how the mirroring is done. afaik, I know of 2 sites that have experimental mirrored because of the way the mirror script duplicates things |
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| 00:35.48 | Azhrarn | isn't experimental pretty much a glorified uplaod queue for unstable? :) |
| 00:36.17 | dondelelcaro | Azhrarn: no. |
| 00:36.17 | [Jan] | hellow, i just installed courier-imap server, and i can't get it reading my ~/Maildir :( |
| 00:36.39 | cef | Azhrarn: just cos it hit experimental, doesn't mean it'll make it as is into sid |
| 00:36.41 | dondelelcaro | Azhrarn: stuff in experimental is for testing specific packages that make drastic changes. |
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| 00:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Azhrarn: they often conflict with themselves, hose systems, or do other bad things. |
| 00:37.17 | Azhrarn | heh |
| 00:37.24 | cef | dondelelcaro: or where upstream versions are horribly unstable by default and need broader testing than just a few people can do |
| 00:37.26 | lightweight | experimental has xfree 4.3 :) |
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| 00:37.35 | dondelelcaro | cef: yerp. |
| 00:37.39 | docelic | kzar, wb :) |
| 00:37.49 | cef | lightweight: like I said to dondelelcaro, .... *grin* |
| 00:37.52 | [Jan] | hellow, i just installed courier-imap server, and i can't get it reading my ~/Maildir :( |
| 00:37.54 | [Jan] | anyone alive? ;p |
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| 00:38.19 | lightweight | jan: and what do the logfiles say |
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| 00:38.31 | [Jan] | lightweight: notthing, thats the problem :( |
| 00:38.35 | kzar | docelic: thanks :) i have a new question :D how can i add an insmod ide-scsi command to make my cdrom work? |
| 00:38.35 | evon | how do i make a user a part of ssh eg in command? |
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| 00:38.45 | lightweight | which manual did u follow? |
| 00:38.45 | dondelelcaro | evon: huh? |
| 00:39.04 | evon | in the ssh group or ftp group |
| 00:39.23 | lightweight | jan : u from holland? |
| 00:39.45 | [Jan] | lightweight: i used debian default configuration, but i really can't find a manual wich tells me where the users Mailir is located |
| 00:39.49 | [Jan] | no, belgium;) |
| 00:40.04 | cef | [Jan]: maildir's are usually in the users home directory |
| 00:40.14 | lightweight | by default they are not |
| 00:40.21 | [Jan] | well, mine is in ~/Maildir |
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| 00:40.36 | lightweight | i had the same problem |
| 00:40.42 | y0y0 | hey guys |
| 00:40.45 | [Jan] | cef: you have got a good howto ? |
| 00:40.47 | cef | hrm.. that isn't fun then |
| 00:40.53 | [Jan] | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.10 | pato | where do i get a list of debian experimental mirrors? |
| 00:41.11 | cef | [Jan]: don't use courier-imap, sorry, otherwise I might be able to help |
| 00:41.18 | xirtam | how can i set an other irq for a module? |
| 00:41.19 | dondelelcaro | evon: you don't want a user in the ssh group. |
| 00:41.21 | y0y0 | I was trying to fix the sound on my machine and ran accross the QM_MODULES not implemented error |
| 00:41.32 | lightweight | im using it but i don't have enough time to check sorry |
| 00:41.33 | cef | [Jan]: last mail system I set up used all qmail tools.. |
| 00:41.33 | [Jan] | cef: what do you purpose? wu-imapd? |
| 00:41.33 | evon | hmm why |
| 00:41.54 | [Jan] | qmail is to much work for a mailserver with only _one_ user ;) |
| 00:41.55 | y0y0 | so I went to get the module-init-tools and it conflicted with modutils... I haven't been able to get any further. |
| 00:42.00 | cef | [Jan]: keep with courier.. it looks nice, just haven't set it up myself |
| 00:42.04 | dondelelcaro | evon: because there's no reason for a user to be in the ssh group, ever. |
| 00:42.12 | y0y0 | can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 00:42.26 | [Jan] | lightweight: id you did have the same problem, where did you change it ? |
| 00:42.27 | evon | ok but i cant access my debian from ssh |
| 00:42.40 | dondelelcaro | evon: that's because you don't have sshd running. |
| 00:42.45 | dondelelcaro | evon: dpkg-reconfigure ssh and enable sshd |
| 00:43.12 | dondelelcaro | evon: and in the future, when you're asking questions here, state the exact problem, instead of what you think the solution is... |
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| 00:43.31 | lightweight | im going too check my config jan hold on |
| 00:43.34 | [Jan] | look, a joris :) |
| 00:43.39 | evon | ok thanx ill keep that in mind |
| 00:43.46 | iceman | can one search in man pages? |
| 00:44.04 | caphuso | iceman: depends on how evil your pager is |
| 00:44.11 | Kraig | lol |
| 00:44.23 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.24 | caphuso | not that i know of a pager that wouldn't allow you to search in... |
| 00:44.26 | Azhrarn | hmmm... |
| 00:44.32 | snoke | dpkg-scansources give error prototype mitmatch in testing, how i fix it ? |
| 00:44.35 | [Jan] | damn, i'm hungry |
| 00:44.44 | Azhrarn | and the init.d file for courier seems to check $MAILDIR |
| 00:45.11 | iceman | caphuso: but well, turns out you can |grep :) |
| 00:45.23 | [Jan] | Azhrarn: are you talking to me ? |
| 00:45.26 | caphuso | iceman: you're doing something incredibly wrong |
| 00:45.27 | Azhrarn | yes |
| 00:45.34 | caphuso | iceman: how the hell are you reading man pages? |
| 00:45.35 | [Jan] | ok, lets test :) |
| 00:45.39 | Azhrarn | just grepping my config fiels for maildir stuff |
| 00:45.42 | petemc | iceman: you should be able to use /<search string> within the man page |
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| 00:45.57 | Azhrarn | I dont rememebr having to change much for courier-imap after I had qmail installed |
| 00:46.15 | iceman | caphuso: man blabla|grep word |
| 00:46.17 | iceman | thats what I did |
| 00:46.18 | lightweight | i did not changed courier either but i changed exim for sure |
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| 00:46.40 | caphuso | iceman: good.... now tell us which pager you use. it's probably either "more" or "less" |
| 00:46.45 | Azhrarn | you may just need to define it in /etc/profile |
| 00:46.49 | iceman | caphuso: what the hell did you think? |
| 00:46.56 | iceman | yes, it's more or less |
| 00:47.00 | iceman | actually both.. |
| 00:47.01 | tbbw | hello anyone know how i let normal users use the soundcard? coz i can only play music as root.. and a happy new year btw :) |
| 00:47.05 | iceman | but not on the same box.. |
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| 00:47.20 | petemc | tbbw: adduser username audio, logout, back in |
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| 00:47.37 | tbbw | petemc - thanx man ill try that :) |
| 00:47.44 | caphuso | iceman: good. then read both the man pages for more and less and you'll learn lots of interesting things that will make your man pages reading much more pleasant |
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| 00:48.38 | caphuso | especially less has a few nice features |
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| 00:49.33 | EgoG3 | anyone around here who can help me get my sparc running? |
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| 00:50.00 | trovador | anyone here burn cd's with an IDE drive in kernel 2.6? |
| 00:50.04 | Azhrarn | helps to state a problem first EgoG3 |
| 00:50.13 | tbbw | petemc - it worked fine thanx alot man :) |
| 00:50.17 | Toastafari | Hi all, anyone know why rhythmbox can't play vorbisfiles in unstable? |
| 00:50.24 | [Jan] | Azhrarn: doesn't seems to do the trick |
| 00:50.29 | EgoG3 | Azhrarn: dumb newbie controller |
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| 00:50.37 | EgoG3 | doesnt know how to use the box :P |
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| 00:51.15 | EgoG3 | doesnt go any further after it tries to boot the webserver |
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| 00:52.16 | cef | trovador: just use the ide-cd module instead of ide-scsi .. ide-scsi is a hack, and ide-cd allows writing now |
| 00:52.18 | veleno | how can i have dhclient to be launched at the startup on eth1 instead of eth0 by default? |
| 00:52.44 | cef | veleno: edit /etc/network/interfaces and change the details |
| 00:53.14 | dondelelcaro | Toastafari: check the bts... but it looks like there isn't an open bug. File a bug report using reportbug |
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| 00:53.37 | Azhrarn | ah ha |
| 00:53.37 | dondelelcaro | Toastafari: I assume it plays other sounds and you're unstable is up to date, right? |
| 00:53.44 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.45 | y0y0 | ok I am having trouble installing sound on my machine I have it enabled in the kernel and when I modprobe snd-intel8x0 it tells me QM_MODULE not implemented |
| 00:53.54 | veleno | cef: thx |
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| 00:53.58 | [Jan] | Azhrarn: hmm |
| 00:54.02 | caphuso | y0y0: install module-init-tools |
| 00:54.02 | Justin__ | !tell y0y0 about 2.6 problems |
| 00:54.06 | Toastafari | yup, up to date and it plays mp3's fine |
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| 00:54.16 | Swat2-sleep | apt qos? |
| 00:54.17 | | Swat2-sleep: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:54.18 | trovador | cef: for both reader and writer? |
| 00:54.22 | veleno | !tell veleno about 2.6 problems |
| 00:54.38 | Swat2-sleep | yes i have apt. |
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| 00:55.16 | y0y0 | justin__ / caphuso thanks |
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| 00:55.40 | Swat2-sleep | anyone have/know of any good reading material on QOS ? |
| 00:55.57 | cef | trovador: correct |
| 00:56.04 | Azhrarn | hmm, I think I found a bug |
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| 00:56.26 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.26 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.26 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.31 | cef | trovador: you may need a new version of cdrecord, but if you're running sid you should be ok.. think testing is ok too |
| 00:56.40 | Azhrarn | it should set MAILDIR=$MAILDIR I believe |
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| 00:56.56 | trovador | cef: i'm running sid.. |
| 00:56.58 | caphuso | Azhrarn: that would be a noop |
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| 00:57.02 | Sebulba02 | Azhrarn: no, -z checks for null strings |
| 00:57.06 | Azhrarn | ahh |
| 00:57.14 | trovador | cef: i use k3b preferebly.. |
| 00:57.21 | Toastafari | anyone know why kernel 2.6.0 isn't in apt yet? I've been using test9 for ages now |
| 00:57.25 | Azhrarn | I do too much perl scripting, just assumed it was checking defined ;) |
| 00:57.32 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:57.32 | cef | Swat2-sleep: setting it up? the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control HOWTO. http://www.lartc.org/ afaik |
| 00:57.37 | caphuso | Azhrarn: man [ |
| 00:57.45 | cef | trovador: yeah, but it uses cdrecord to talk to the writer |
| 00:57.57 | Azhrarn | ;) |
| 00:58.12 | Swat2-sleep | thanks Cef |
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| 00:59.20 | trovador | cef: ok.. i'll try that.. thx. |
| 00:59.53 | trovador | is there a way to play .ape files in xmms directly? |
| 01:00.09 | cef | Toastafari: there is lots of things wrong with 2.6.0 still.. give it time |
| 01:00.33 | [Jan] | it's not working at all |
| 01:00.34 | [Jan] | pff |
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| 01:01.28 | Kraig | Shadow Gallery Rules! |
| 01:01.35 | Azhrarn | [Jan]: Did you restart imapd? |
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| 01:01.42 | [Jan] | Azhrarn: yes ... |
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| 01:01.50 | chuchete | hiii |
| 01:02.31 | lilliput | hi all is there any good tut to remember the debian way to compile a new kernel ..? |
| 01:02.43 | refs | yes |
| 01:02.44 | Azhrarn | kernel-package comes with one |
| 01:02.46 | lightweight | anyone have a mirror for xfree 4.2 and woody? |
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| 01:02.51 | lightweight | sorry 4.3 |
| 01:03.05 | Azhrarn | in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 01:03.07 | trovador | lilliput: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 01:03.17 | refs | lilliput: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html read this |
| 01:03.25 | lilliput | and with a little late hhhappy x-mas |
| 01:03.38 | lilliput | refs, thx |
| 01:06.41 | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ | Have body here, that can to talk in portuguese with me? |
| 01:07.42 | refs | this is an english chanell |
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| 01:08.03 | caphuso | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_: try the brasilian debian channel (#debian-br) |
| 01:08.04 | Azhrarn | #debian-es? |
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| 01:08.10 | mage | ~portuguese |
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| 01:08.32 | mage | ~lart apt |
| 01:08.37 | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ | (refs): I Know |
| 01:08.44 | NoUsesKnown | hello people! |
| 01:08.47 | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ | But I am from Brazil |
| 01:09.12 | Azhrarn | well then #debian-br would probably work |
| 01:09.20 | mage | and I'm from Belgium. |
| 01:09.36 | [Jan] | congrats :) |
| 01:09.42 | mage | ~brazil |
| 01:09.44 | [Jan] | i'm to ;) |
| 01:09.59 | mage | hehe |
| 01:10.02 | mage | which city ? |
| 01:10.04 | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ | ([Jan]): de onde você é? |
| 01:10.07 | Azhrarn | Don't worry, many people have normal productive lives despite that |
| 01:10.11 | [Jan] | antwerp |
| 01:10.22 | [Jan] | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_: euh? |
| 01:10.35 | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ | eh |
| 01:10.37 | mage | _W-E-S-L-L-E-Y_ |
| 01:10.47 | mage | 1) change your nick |
| 01:10.48 | [Jan] | mage: you are from? :) |
| 01:10.52 | mage | 2) speak english |
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| 01:11.04 | mage | Linkebeek |
| 01:11.16 | mage | little village near Brussels |
| 01:11.18 | [Jan] | hmm, never heard of it |
| 01:11.20 | [Jan] | oh, ic :) |
| 01:11.24 | mage | it's normal :) |
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| 01:11.28 | [Jan] | hehe |
| 01:11.58 | mage | so.. time to sleep now |
| 01:12.33 | [Jan] | good night mage |
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| 01:18.02 | Serialkiller | asg : you around? |
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| 01:19.46 | trovador | cef: i'm trying the ide-cd module, but when i do a cdrecord -scanbus i still get an error..? |
| 01:20.20 | trovador | cef: how can i know if i set it up correctly? |
| 01:20.31 | Serialkiller | i am trying to add a hd to my computer and i cannot figure this out . i make the partition in fdisk ( linux ) and then i run mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdb1 and it says no space |
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| 01:20.57 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: you wrote the partition out, right? |
| 01:21.03 | petemc | Serialkiller: did you write your changes to disk before exiting? |
| 01:21.12 | cafuego | le tme just mock you |
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| 01:21.21 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: yea i can see it in fdsik |
| 01:21.24 | hanasaki | how can i tell spamassassin/amavis-new to ignore files from a speciffic domain? meaning they are never called spam |
| 01:21.48 | cafuego | hanasaki: whitelist |
| 01:21.53 | hanasaki | hmm thanks |
| 01:21.54 | ToreSB | It's a bad sign if your laptop goes *CLICK* right? |
| 01:22.05 | caphuso | ToreSB: depends |
| 01:22.11 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: well, its probably your harddrive thats going click... but usually, yes. |
| 01:22.14 | Serialkiller | petemc: yea i wrote it |
| 01:22.40 | cef | trovador: you have to tell it to use the ide device, not the scsi one |
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| 01:22.48 | ToreSB | Well, my harddrive has been downloading some music files lately (Finally I found digital versions! I've got 'em on vinyl) |
| 01:22.58 | ToreSB | And I've been seeing 3 day uptimes |
| 01:23.06 | ToreSB | I'm on test9 |
| 01:23.08 | Serialkiller | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.08 | Serialkiller | /dev/hdb1 1 4865 39078081 5 Extended |
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| 01:23.24 | ToreSB | The crashes always occur when I'm *away* from the computer |
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| 01:24.04 | ToreSB | And the clicks are louder than the disk arm seek noises |
| 01:24.22 | ToreSB | It's as if the arm was running a jump koan |
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| 01:24.45 | caphuso | ToreSB: you should start making full backups about right now |
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| 01:25.20 | ToreSB | caphuso: On what - my grandma took all my other comps... She has her way with timings. |
| 01:25.20 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: uh, that's an extended partition, not a partition that you can make a file system on. |
| 01:25.32 | ToreSB | caphuso: Would SMART diags tell me anything? |
| 01:25.35 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: you need to make a logical partition under the extended partition. |
| 01:25.36 | cef | trovador: -scanbus is only for scsi (or using the ide-scsi emulation, which is broken in 2.6) |
| 01:25.43 | caphuso | ToreSB: maybe |
| 01:25.50 | ToreSB | caphuso: I ran 50% of a short test and I got 0 faults |
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| 01:25.56 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: yea i just made a primary on it. that will work right? |
| 01:25.57 | trovador | cef: cool! it's burning in k3b! thx =) |
| 01:26.07 | cef | trovador: woo! |
| 01:26.18 | trovador | cef: notice any difference in performance versus usign the scsi-emulation? |
| 01:26.25 | caphuso | ToreSB: doesn't necessarily mean that it's not broken :-/ |
| 01:26.31 | cef | trovador: ide-cd is faster.. much faster |
| 01:26.36 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: a primary will work, sure. |
| 01:26.50 | ToreSB | caphuso: I'm getting similar behaviour on another laptop |
| 01:26.57 | ToreSB | They both occur at high uptimes |
| 01:27.00 | hanasaki | how can spamassissin be called from amavis-new? its installed and amavis is finding clamv automatically |
| 01:27.17 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok now its saying kernel still uses old table, the new one will be used at next reboot |
| 01:27.31 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: yeah, so you'll have to reboot. |
| 01:27.56 | trovador | cool |
| 01:27.57 | caphuso | ToreSB: do the disks in those two laptops heat up a lot if they are up a lot? |
| 01:28.27 | CueballUK | Is SSH insecure at all? |
| 01:28.37 | ToreSB | caphuso: I don't know |
| 01:28.42 | hanasaki | everything is insecure .. its a matter fo degree |
| 01:28.50 | hanasaki | use v2 |
| 01:28.55 | CueballUK | I do |
| 01:28.59 | ToreSB | CueballUK: No... the protocol itself is extremely secure. (v2) |
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| 01:29.14 | ToreSB | But then you have things like keyloggers and stuff. |
| 01:29.20 | CueballUK | Yeah |
| 01:29.22 | CueballUK | I know |
| 01:29.31 | caphuso | and dumb users with even more dumb passwords |
| 01:29.43 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: whats this mean? ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 01:29.55 | CueballUK | Pass - letmein |
| 01:29.55 | ToreSB | Serialkiller: Just what it says |
| 01:29.56 | CueballUK | LoL |
| 01:29.57 | shaddai | caphuso: as usual PEBKAC |
| 01:30.22 | ToreSB | The root password for a major High Street bank was control at one point |
| 01:30.33 | hondas | whats a good dvd burner to get that will be well supported in linux? |
| 01:31.12 | Serialkiller | ToreSB: What is PIO , and why is system bus speed 33mhz, i have p4 533, and via with 533 fsb.. should that really be 33mhz? |
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| 01:31.39 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: that's your FSB, not the PCI bus. |
| 01:31.44 | shaddai | Serialkiller: it isn't bus speed but IDE bus |
| 01:31.48 | [Cliff] | hi |
| 01:31.54 | [Cliff] | i'm trying to use pam_pgsql |
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| 01:32.15 | [Cliff] | but on the logs it seems that PAM is trying to authenticate NOUSER no matter what username i use |
| 01:32.18 | ToreSB | Serialkiller: Well, PIO is Programmed-IO probably.. |
| 01:32.20 | [Cliff] | anyone has suggestions on this? |
| 01:32.23 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok thats cool, but how do i check and see what speed it should be? |
| 01:32.28 | ToreSB | I'm not too confident on that sort of stuff. |
| 01:32.47 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: it probably should be 33MHz unless you have a PCI-X pci bus, or something else wierd. |
| 01:33.05 | Serialkiller | ToreSB: Cool.. somewhere my sys is lagging, and i am trying to find out why |
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| 01:33.26 | ToreSB | Serialkiller: Do you have windows on your other partition? |
| 01:33.39 | Serialkiller | ToreSB: nope |
| 01:33.43 | Serialkiller | also PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:11.1. Please try using pci=biosirq. |
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| 01:33.56 | ToreSB | Serialkiller: Hm, it could have been contageous :P |
| 01:34.24 | Serialkiller | VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci00:11.1 |
| 01:34.24 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: Well, it's the IDE bus it's talking about now, isn't it...? |
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| 01:34.52 | cafuego | !find tcscan |
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| 01:35.00 | shaddai | Serialkiller: what kernel are you using ? |
| 01:35.01 | De_Mon | whats the best way to make sure fetchmail keeps running? it seems to have died on me. Im thinking nightly cron.daily or crontab |
| 01:35.02 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: yeah, but since its attached to the PCI bus it runs at 33 MHz |
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| 01:35.05 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tcscan' returned no results. |
| 01:35.22 | Justin__ | cafuego: transcode |
| 01:35.27 | Justin__ | i think:) |
| 01:35.29 | cafuego | Justin__: yeah |
| 01:35.35 | cafuego | Justin__: Justa dding marillat |
| 01:35.37 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: while sleep 1; do fetchmail; done |
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| 01:35.56 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: obviously you have to run fetchmail so it doesn't daemonize (which is its default) |
| 01:35.58 | nz | hey, i am getting an error message that says "hdi lost interupt" |
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| 01:36.29 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro the daemon died and i just want it to restart in such an event next time. |
| 01:36.39 | deejoe | In my experience fetchmail only daemonizes w/ -d |
| 01:36.42 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: Ah, okay :) |
| 01:36.45 | lebowski | anyone any idea why the initrd kernel I've installed would be failing with unable to find root device 0302 ? |
| 01:37.32 | De_Mon | it was running as a systemwide fetchmail daemon till it died |
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| 01:38.12 | chimaera | are there any known issues with keyboards connected to usb? i switched mite from ps/2 to usb and now have various issues: one key # is not working (qwertz-layout), i have an f-lock key to toggle between f-keys and special mapping which isnt working also. everything runs fine with ps/2. any idea? |
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| 01:38.18 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: well, your best bet is to figure out why it died. Start it in a shell with ulimit -c -1; then check the coredump |
| 01:38.36 | cafuego | chimaera: No idea, usb keyboard+mosue works fine here, always has. |
| 01:38.45 | [Jan] | what IMAP server can handle Maildir's beside courier-imap ? |
| 01:38.54 | buht | hey all, are there any good walkthrough/guide/how-to's on running a nameserver ? bind and all that? i want to follow a howto while i read a couple books |
| 01:38.58 | dondelelcaro | [Jan]: uw-imap iirc. |
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| 01:39.32 | tapo | Quick question: Is there any way to make an MPEG file play at boot? |
| 01:39.37 | [Jan] | dondelelcaro: hmm, Maildir support b0rken, seems like mailbox only ;( |
| 01:39.41 | chimaera | cafuego: do you have special keys? |
| 01:39.50 | dondelelcaro | tapo: uh, why? |
| 01:39.51 | cafuego | tapo: ANy reason you want bootup to be slow? |
| 01:39.59 | tapo | (Full Screen) |
| 01:40.05 | cafuego | chimaera: Only a Fn key. |
| 01:40.06 | evane|work | is there a problem with people.debian.org... was trying to link a friend the blade xfs and non-xfs netinstall cd and getting perm denied errors |
| 01:40.07 | shaddai | cafuego: show off at school parties |
| 01:40.19 | cafuego | school? whazzat? |
| 01:40.19 | tapo | I have no idea, cause it will be cool I guess. And the bland, text only boot process is kinda annoying. |
| 01:40.27 | shaddai | cafuego: something weird ;) |
| 01:40.35 | dondelelcaro | tapo: you mean the informative, usefull text only boot process? |
| 01:40.40 | lowks | using apt how do i check if a package is installed in a system ? |
| 01:40.42 | tapo | (Coming from a Mac, I love my useless, pretty widgets.) |
| 01:40.51 | dondelelcaro | tapo: there are various ways of hiding the text boot process... |
| 01:40.54 | lebowski | [Jan]: what's wrong with using courier? |
| 01:40.56 | Sebulba02 | lowks: dpkg -l | grep 'packagename' |
| 01:41.10 | dondelelcaro | tapo: but most of them suck. Moreover, you should rarely be booting your machine. |
| 01:41.13 | [Jan] | lebowski: courier is not reading my ~/Maildir :( |
| 01:41.15 | lowks | Sebulba02: thanks |
| 01:41.15 | tapo | dondelecaro: exactly. I don't like text boot. |
| 01:41.16 | chimaera | cafuego: i gues thatrs the same principle here. mhh i guess i switch back to ps/2. man, i hate it when wintendo does things i cant get managed with linux ;) |
| 01:41.25 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 01:41.36 | lebowski | [Jan]: it should do, out of the box for debian as well |
| 01:41.38 | tapo | dondelecaro: It's a laptop, so I shut it down often. |
| 01:41.49 | dondelelcaro | tapo: put it to sleep... |
| 01:41.55 | dondelelcaro | tapo: that's what laptops do best. |
| 01:42.19 | [Jan] | lebowski: hm ;( |
| 01:42.36 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro i belive you're missunderstanding me... it was a random fatal error, and syslog seems to have died at the same time, the system seems to have recovered except fetchmail didn't restart. |
| 01:42.40 | [Jan] | lebowski: ~/Maildir or ~/Mail ? |
| 01:42.43 | tapo | dondelecaro: sleep crashes it, and from linuxlaptop.org there's no fix for my model. and I don't want to run ACPI on this thing in fear that it will stop the fan and overheat. |
| 01:42.43 | lebowski | [Jan]: check your logs and check the courier config |
| 01:42.49 | lebowski | ~/Maildir |
| 01:42.51 | dondelelcaro | tapo: what model do you have? |
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| 01:43.21 | tapo | dondelecaro: Sony Vaio PCG-FXA32. But that's beside the point. Any purdy boot options you can suggest? :-P |
| 01:43.25 | De_Mon | I want to ensure that if something like this happens again, that fetchmail does restart. Is that best doen through a nighly cronjob or another way? |
| 01:44.11 | De_Mon | tapo without ACPI wouldnt the fan just run at full blast |
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| 01:44.22 | dondelelcaro | tapo: http://bootsplash.org/ |
| 01:45.24 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: just check to see that fetchmail is running in a cronjob, or start it in the way that I suggested. |
| 01:45.26 | hiwk | If I am to install ALSA, is it best to do it apt-get style (and get stone age versions) or compile them from source? |
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| 01:45.57 | tapo | De_Mon: Right now, the fan is running at full blast under APM. From what I hear, running under ACPI is sketchy and could stop the fan completely for too long, causing it to overheat. |
| 01:46.24 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: a simple kill -O `pidof fetchmail` || /etc/init.d/fetchmail start; will answer. |
| 01:46.31 | evane|work | hiwk: you on sid? if so sid is up to date and i much prefer the deb build method |
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| 01:46.46 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok bud i rebooted |
| 01:46.52 | hiwk | evane|work: "sid"? |
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| 01:47.04 | evane|work | hiwk: aka unstable release |
| 01:47.15 | hiwk | evane|work: stable :) |
| 01:47.25 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: whats next? |
| 01:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: now mkfs.ext2 should work |
| 01:47.47 | hiwk | evane|work: but I have cursed stable a number of times |
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| 01:48.05 | bob2 | hiwk: get the source from sid. |
| 01:48.36 | hiwk | bob2: do I have to upgrade the whole system to sid in order to get alsa via apt-get? |
| 01:48.37 | Serialkiller | so mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdb or hdb1? |
| 01:48.38 | lowks | how do i query what version of a software is available ? |
| 01:48.45 | lowks | apt-cache show pkgname ? |
| 01:48.51 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: /dev/hdb1 assuming that's the partition you made. |
| 01:49.22 | bob2 | hiwk: probably not. |
| 01:49.26 | bob2 | lowks: yes |
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| 01:49.37 | lowks | ok thanks |
| 01:49.55 | hiwk | is unstable genarally preferable over stable? |
| 01:49.59 | bob2 | hiwk: no |
| 01:50.14 | mfbian | no, unstable just got newer software |
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| 01:50.25 | ToreSB | What is the newest kernel in apt? |
| 01:50.28 | mfbian | but unstalbe is "unstable" |
| 01:50.33 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro: kill -O ? if thats supposed to kill fetchmail and restart it, a simple '/etc/init.d/fetchmail start' works just as well. |
| 01:50.48 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: there's a 2.6.0-test9 or something. |
| 01:50.52 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: man kill |
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| 01:51.04 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro i did there is no -O |
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| 01:51.09 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: Gah, 2.6.0 is out and they're still in test9?? |
| 01:51.10 | evane|work | hiwk: eww stable and this is desktop/normal use machine? that is just subjecting yourself to unnecessary pain imo... |
| 01:51.18 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: It's build-from-source day! |
| 01:51.20 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: 0 0 n/a exit code indicates if a signal may be sent |
| 01:51.22 | ToreSB | -_- |
| 01:51.29 | DebSharkY | Hi |
| 01:51.37 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: nah, it just happens to be whats in the archive at this time. |
| 01:51.46 | evane|work | hmm apache.org documentation is not helping me one bit today ;_; |
| 01:51.48 | hiwk | evane|work: laptop. would you recommend unstable? |
| 01:51.50 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: it'll go away shortly, and be replaced by a real 2.6.0 |
| 01:51.57 | dondelelcaro | (well, probably a real 2.6.1) |
| 01:52.08 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: Yes, but the archive should be able to do better than test9 |
| 01:52.20 | DebSharkY | I need help :-( |
| 01:52.25 | evane|work | hiwk: well i presonally prefer unstable but at least use testing |
| 01:52.32 | bob2 | yeah, that damn herbert xu |
| 01:52.33 | ToreSB | DebSharkY: Oh REALLY? |
| 01:52.34 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: probably, but new still hasn't been processed, so it will be a bit. |
| 01:52.39 | bob2 | always slacking off! |
| 01:52.46 | DebSharkY | How can i know witch drive is mounteble |
| 01:52.58 | DebSharkY | i have lots of hd* and sd* |
| 01:52.58 | Justin__ | bob2: he is ;) i wonder why there is no 2.4.23 package yet |
| 01:53.00 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: has anything from NEw been processed since the compromise? |
| 01:53.07 | Justin__ | DebSharkY: fdisk -l |
| 01:53.14 | dondelelcaro | bob2: not to my knowledge... [but I'm not ftpmaster. ;-)] |
| 01:53.17 | DebSharkY | and i'm searching for a sata raid drv |
| 01:53.31 | bob2 | Justin__: they exist, just not in Debian. the ftpmasters haven't processed the NEW package queue in many, mnay weeks. |
| 01:53.33 | De_Mon | dondelelcaro ahh yes, using a number instead of a letter |
| 01:53.51 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: heh, put that as one of your interests on your NM applicatyion ;-) |
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| 01:54.16 | buht | apt, find nslookup |
| 01:54.19 | buht | :) |
| 01:54.20 | DebSharkY | Justin_: Thanks, but fdisk -l only shown-me hda* |
| 01:54.23 | buht | weee |
| 01:54.26 | dondelelcaro | bob2: no thanks... I don't need people yelling and screaming at me... ;-) |
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| 01:54.42 | DebSharkY | Justin_: Sorry about my english :-) |
| 01:54.50 | ToreSB | apt, find JOKES |
| 01:55.21 | Justin__ | DebSharkY: then you only have hda |
| 01:55.23 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: I think you're looking for the fortunes and fortunes-off files |
| 01:55.38 | Justin__ | bob2: oooh :-) |
| 01:55.44 | green-ears | is there a apt-get for the java plugin for sid |
| 01:55.53 | ToreSB | dondelelcaro: No, I wasn't - I was wondering if it had the emacs JOKES file in the registry |
| 01:56.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell green-ears about java |
| 01:56.18 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:56.20 | evane|work | green-ears: i know a unoffical source for java |
| 01:56.22 | dondelelcaro | ToreSB: yeah, wasn't familiar with the JOKES file... |
| 01:56.23 | bob2 | Justin__: people.debian.org/~herbert/, iirc. |
| 01:56.23 | bob2 | Justin__: TINC. |
| 01:56.24 | bob2 | green-ears: no. |
| 01:56.26 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: np |
| 01:56.42 | ToreSB | apt, find porn |
| 01:56.49 | ToreSB | tee hee :P |
| 01:56.54 | dondelelcaro | pornview |
| 01:57.06 | ToreSB | Hahahahaha |
| 01:57.21 | Justin__ | no, this is funny: |
| 01:57.25 | Justin__ | !+find pussy |
| 01:57.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pussy' (3 shown): (/usr/bin/pussy) in net/sendfile ;; (/usr/share/psi/iconsets/stellar/emoticon_pussy.png) in net/psi ;; (/usr/share/texmf/tex/opustex/base/opussys.tex) in non-free/tex/opustex. |
| 01:57.40 | bob2 | tarzeau needs to package porn-get. |
| 01:58.06 | ToreSB | bob2: Indeed. :D |
| 01:58.18 | evane|work | deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/ |
| 01:58.19 | ToreSB | porn-get install hentai :P |
| 01:58.24 | Justin__ | dondelelcaro: i dont think there exists a recent mozilla compatible java for ppc, it sucks |
| 01:58.26 | evane|work | crap |
| 01:58.31 | evane|work | stupid putty |
| 01:58.39 | dondelelcaro | Justin__: oh, probably not... I don't use java, so I wouldn't know. |
| 01:58.58 | lebowski | hmmm... it looks like the initrd isn't loading my sis ide driver. Anyone any idea how to specify what modules to load for initrd? |
| 01:59.00 | DebSharkY | Justin_: Ok, my promisse fasttrak sata raid not detected by k2.6 |
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| 01:59.20 | Justin__ | DebSharkY: enable support for it then |
| 01:59.26 | bob2 | haha promise and raid in the same sentence. |
| 01:59.29 | muncc2beo | Given this command: mencoder dvd://1 -cache 24576 -chapter 2-2 -ovc frameno -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o TheRising.avi |
| 01:59.30 | DebSharkY | Justin_: But thanks, i will try another ways |
| 01:59.40 | muncc2beo | What format will TheRising.avi be? |
| 01:59.50 | DebSharkY | Justin_: How, in kernel config |
| 01:59.56 | Justin__ | DebSharkY: uh huh |
| 02:00.13 | giwe | How do I convert a string variable to a numerical one in bash? |
| 02:00.21 | DebSharkY | Justin_: i think i have to patch the kernel and compile again |
| 02:00.28 | Justin__ | muncc2beo: #mplayer ? |
| 02:00.39 | muncc2beo | Justin__: thanks |
| 02:00.46 | bob2 | giwe: bash is typeless. |
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| 02:01.09 | zignig | bob2: or topless ? |
| 02:01.18 | dondelelcaro | giwe: if it can be numerical, it automagically becomes numerical |
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| 02:01.24 | giwe | bob2: It is complaing I don;t have numerical value when doing operation. |
| 02:01.34 | arauko | bob2: hi dude... check http://bluewall.ucssa.co.za , suggestions are welcome |
| 02:01.52 | netbrain | how can i make a deb package from a source prog? |
| 02:02.07 | lebowski | netbrain: read the debian developers guide |
| 02:02.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell netbrain about newmaint |
| 02:02.22 | bob2 | giwe: is it numeric? |
| 02:02.49 | bob2 | giwe: echo it and see. |
| 02:02.52 | giwe | bob2: I think it is not, so I must convert it somehow. |
| 02:02.57 | giwe | bob2: okay. |
| 02:03.36 | bob2 | giwe: "convert"? if it consists of digits, bash will be haoppy to do maths on it. |
| 02:03.53 | bob2 | this may be a good time to move to perl :) |
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| 02:04.12 | giwe | bob2: got the problem. it was prepending an alpha string. thanks. |
| 02:04.27 | giwe | bob2: the echo tip was good. thanks. |
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| 02:07.21 | rune | hi, how to init 0 after 10 minutes ? |
| 02:07.42 | hiwk | Build ALSA driver with debugging code? |
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| 02:07.51 | wuhuu | hello |
| 02:08.08 | wuhuu | gotta problem installing my alsa |
| 02:08.40 | wuhuu | alsamixer returns alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: |
| 02:08.41 | hiwk | rune: I'm not sure, but perhaps shutdown -h 10 |
| 02:09.02 | somiaj | wuhuu: you got the correct sound module loaded for your sound card? |
| 02:09.10 | rune | hiwk but I want to use `at` command |
| 02:09.19 | wuhuu | jep emu10k1 |
| 02:09.31 | wasabi | Trying to access a windows formatted floppy on Linux, what device file should I be mounting? |
| 02:09.35 | somiaj | wuhuu: that isn't alsa, that is oss, snd-emu10k1 you mean? |
| 02:09.40 | wasabi | I assume fd0 is floppy drive one, and 1440 is 1.44 mbs |
| 02:09.45 | wasabi | but what is h1440 and u1440 |
| 02:10.03 | Justin__ | wasabi: use mtools |
| 02:10.17 | wasabi | I have the floppy already, just wanna mount it |
| 02:10.22 | wasabi | just dunno what device to mount. P0 |
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| 02:10.41 | wuhuu | hmm.... |
| 02:10.45 | Neuro1ogic | wasabi mount /dev/floppy |
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| 02:10.55 | wuhuu | i got an SB Live! 5.1 |
| 02:11.13 | abios | when it comes to the bios, is msdos a necessary evil? |
| 02:11.18 | wasabi | Neuro1ogic, I don't have that. :) |
| 02:11.30 | dalhagen | abios: What do you mean? |
| 02:11.33 | wuhuu | and the loaded module is emu10k1 |
| 02:11.35 | abios | is there any clone of killcmos for Linux? i searched freshmeat and could not find one and yes! i did google too! |
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| 02:11.56 | abios | ideally it should be a linux bootable floppy including such utility! |
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| 02:12.22 | abios | i need to reset a bios password whose password i forgot *without* resorting to msdos or opening the case! |
| 02:12.53 | abios | a windoze loser bet me money i could not easily do it *without* resorting to msdos(inc emulators) and without opening the case |
| 02:13.11 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 02:13.36 | Justin__ | easy, 1) unplug the power supply |
| 02:13.42 | Justin__ | 2) wait 100 years or so |
| 02:13.42 | bob2 | 2) wait 3 weeks |
| 02:13.44 | wasabi | oh i see |
| 02:13.46 | wasabi | mtools is neat |
| 02:13.49 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:13.49 | Justin__ | bob2: only 3? |
| 02:13.51 | dalhagen | All I can tell you is that there is a kernel module called 'devbios' which should allow you write access to the eeprom. But you'll have to know yourself what to write to it. |
| 02:13.57 | arauko | what is the name of the windownmaker package, i don`t find it in apt-cache search? |
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| 02:14.15 | DebSharkY | i can't find promise fasttrak drivers |
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| 02:14.37 | Justin__ | DebSharkY: its in the kernel |
| 02:14.54 | dalhagen | Anyway, is there a 'Debian initrd for dummies' sort of HOWTO floating around? I can't for the life of me get kernel-package by myself to make such an initrd. |
| 02:15.01 | Neuro1ogic | wasabi mount /dev/fd0 |
| 02:15.02 | Justin__ | dalhagen: dont use initrd |
| 02:15.19 | DebSharkY | Justin_: not to my controler |
| 02:15.21 | bob2 | arauko: yo're not looking very hard. |
| 02:15.24 | bob2 | arauko: wmaker. |
| 02:15.32 | DebSharkY | Justin_: not my controler drivers |
| 02:15.33 | bob2 | dalhagen: if you're building your own kernel, just don't use initrd. |
| 02:15.43 | dalhagen | Uhm, if I don't use initrd, then the next system update won't be able to find my root filesystem. |
| 02:15.53 | arauko | bob2: i only find this wmaker-data |
| 02:15.57 | arauko | bob2: it isn`t there |
| 02:15.59 | dalhagen | Which is on EVMS. |
| 02:16.14 | vipe | dalhagen: ah, was just gonna ask the same question |
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| 02:16.16 | Justin__ | eh, fun |
| 02:16.24 | Skfarek | hi guys |
| 02:16.31 | bob2 | dalhagen: build the modules into your kernel then. |
| 02:16.38 | Skfarek | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 02:16.48 | bob2 | hah |
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| 02:16.56 | Skfarek | there are some dead link and i can't download netinstall iso |
| 02:17.01 | matt_ | how do i tell which process is using a certain port on my computer? |
| 02:17.04 | dalhagen | bob2: EVMS doesn't discover devices until after init boots, now. ;/ |
| 02:17.04 | bob2 | Skfarek: then google. |
| 02:17.14 | bob2 | Skfarek: it takes all of five seconds. |
| 02:17.20 | bob2 | matt_: netstat -puant | grep port_number |
| 02:17.22 | arauko | bob2: other idea? |
| 02:17.25 | bob2 | matt_: (as root). |
| 02:17.31 | bob2 | arauko: no, it's in the wmaker package. |
| 02:17.47 | matt_ | bob2: thanks 1e6 |
| 02:17.53 | arauko | bob2: yeah.. but theres no wamker in the result |
| 02:18.06 | dalhagen | I have a suspicion I'd have to use an initrd for Linux 2.6 as well. Because of /sys |
| 02:18.08 | DebSharkY | Justin_: Promise PDC26 Serial ATA controller |
| 02:18.15 | bob2 | arauko: ok...it's still in the wmaker package, however. |
| 02:18.43 | arauko | bob2: ok, found it, thks |
| 02:18.52 | bob2 | dalhagen: you'll need to use a Debian kernel-source, aiui, and use the --initrd option to make-kpkh. |
| 02:19.05 | vipe | dalhagen: i don't think you can avoid an initrd if your / is encapsulated as an evms device. however. try to avoid it. if you will ever have a problem with your / in evms, you will be in deep shit to recover it |
| 02:19.15 | dalhagen | I am using a Debian kernel source. |
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| 02:19.28 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
| 02:19.41 | GeeSeCillo | someone use a emulator for playstation games under linux ppc? |
| 02:19.56 | dalhagen | vipe: Know where I could find a new 500MB hard drive then? ;) |
| 02:19.56 | vipe | dalhagen: I would leave / /usr and /var out of evms |
| 02:19.57 | bob2 | GeeSeCillo: did you post to the debian-user list about this? |
| 02:20.00 | abios | i'm starting to think i am going to lose the bet in front of an audience of windoze losers!. the one who made the bet thinks debian linux is a piece of geek crap. i'll leave the auditorium in disgrace! |
| 02:20.08 | GeeSeCillo | bob2, nope |
| 02:20.18 | dalhagen | vipe: Ack. |
| 02:20.23 | vipe | dalhagen: you won't :) |
| 02:20.50 | duncan|bikeride | do you know a smtp-auth patch that applies cleanly to qmail-src in debian sid? |
| 02:20.54 | Azhrarn | It's not usually a good idea to make a bet unless you know you can do something |
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| 02:21.02 | [Jan] | lebowski: well, i just did a clean install of courier-imap, and i have a Maildir in my homedir, and nothing ... |
| 02:21.23 | bob2 | GeeSeCillo: what does google say? |
| 02:21.38 | dalhagen | vipe: My main reason for evms is to be able to hot-resize things when needed. |
| 02:22.09 | GeeSeCillo | bob2, i finding on google but nothing ;( |
| 02:22.32 | vipe | dalhagen: I know. I'm reading a few manuals at the moment to install it |
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| 02:22.46 | ljlane | What is the woody version of postgresql? |
| 02:23.04 | vipe | dalhagen: i think it can be compared with veritqas (if you know veritas) |
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| 02:23.12 | vipe | s/veritqas/veritas/ |
| 02:23.18 | dalhagen | No, I don't know them. |
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| 02:23.28 | ljlane | n/m |
| 02:23.34 | bob2 | !info postgresql woody |
| 02:23.55 | dpkg | postgresql: (Object-relational SQL database, descended from POSTGRES.), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.2.1-2woody4 (woody), Packaged size: 1514 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB |
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| 02:24.46 | vipe | dalhagen: I'm not surprised ;) |
| 02:24.47 | [Jan] | anyone who can help me with courier-imap? I installed it, i'm able to login, my mail is in ~/Maildir , but i don't see any email with my imap-client :( |
| 02:24.48 | ryuujin | After installing the right kernel headers via apt what is needed to activate these? |
| 02:24.59 | bob2 | ljlane: the postgresql maintainer had 7.4 debs for woody in his homedir on people.d.o. |
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| 02:25.02 | jelque | can wget finish a download that got interupted? |
| 02:25.12 | bob2 | [Jan]: what do your logs say? |
| 02:25.15 | vipe | dalhagen: it cost you about a 2 year sallary :( |
| 02:25.17 | ljlane | bob2, hrmmm.... |
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| 02:25.22 | bob2 | jelque: yes, read the fine man page, -c in particular. |
| 02:25.26 | [Jan] | bob2: nothing, i even turned verbose loggin on |
| 02:25.28 | bob2 | ryuujin: nothing. |
| 02:25.35 | arauko | what is the paclage to install X? |
| 02:25.41 | [Jan] | bob2: |
| 02:25.43 | [Jan] | Dec 29 03:19:55 viper imaplogin: LOGIN: DEBUG: ip=[::ffff:10.2.40.1], command=CAPABILITY |
| 02:25.43 | [Jan] | Dec 29 03:19:55 viper imaplogin: DISCONNECTED, ip=[::ffff:10.2.40.1], headers=0, body=0 |
| 02:25.50 | jelque | bob2: thanks |
| 02:25.54 | [Jan] | but i'm not tetting any wiser of that |
| 02:26.01 | bob2 | arauko: x-window-system-core |
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| 02:26.11 | arauko | bob2: i thoguth so, thanks |
| 02:26.11 | ryuujin | bob2 okay.. can you remember what i need to ask apt to get info on how to install nvidia drivers instead of nv (got geforce fx5600, isn't supported in the current drivers on my system) |
| 02:26.12 | bob2 | [Jan]: does "fetchmail -c" against it work? |
| 02:26.17 | RainbowW | I have kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 installed and it works. Some custom-compiled kernels I've done (gcc 2.95, 2.4.23 and 2.6.0) do not work. What package to install to get the source and .config of 2.4.18-bf2.4, and have a working place to start? |
| 02:26.22 | bob2 | ryuujin: /msg dpkg geforce4 |
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| 02:26.31 | yaman | hello |
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| 02:26.44 | debian_user | high |
| 02:26.46 | bob2 | RainbowW: look in /boot |
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| 02:26.57 | SpArTaK | hi, when i transfer files over NFS with kernel 2.6.0 the progress / speed is way off like at times it goes to 80 MB/sec and just stalls at some finally ending up at 99% and just sitting there untill the file actually gets copied im wondering if there is something im doing wrong or is this a bug? |
| 02:27.14 | yaman | i want to install debian on my laptop, but it doesnt have the necessary module on the CD.. i tried compiling it myself, but the install CD doesnt even have make installed... does anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:27.37 | bob2 | !+nfs |
| 02:27.37 | trans_err | yaman: make and put on a floppy |
| 02:27.44 | dpkg | [nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or http://www.j-mulders.demon.nl/unix/nis-rpc/doc/rpc/nfs-v2-protocol-specification.html for some gory details.. No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 02:27.45 | bob2 | !+linux nfs |
| 02:27.50 | yaman | trans_err, i dont have any other machines running 2.4 kernels |
| 02:27.57 | yaman | trans_err, and my laptop doesnt have a floppy drive |
| 02:28.01 | bob2 | yaman: what module? |
| 02:28.05 | trans_err | yaman: hrm |
| 02:28.05 | yaman | bob2, bcm4400 |
| 02:28.30 | debian_user | where i find packages for windowmaker? |
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| 02:28.48 | debian_user | i have a rpm but doesnt work |
| 02:29.09 | bob2 | debian_user: why on earth would you use an RPM on Debian? |
| 02:29.10 | Justin__ | debian_user: wmaker |
| 02:29.13 | vipe | debian_user: apt-get install wmaker |
| 02:29.15 | bob2 | debian_user: install the wmaker package. |
| 02:29.19 | RainbowW | debian_user: apt-get install wmaker ... or ... apt-get install alien. |
| 02:29.22 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:29.37 | Justin__ | wmaker needs its description fixed |
| 02:29.43 | Justin__ | or renamed |
| 02:29.43 | [Jan] | bob2: euh, it will make a POP3 connection, right? |
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| 02:30.43 | debian_user | couldn't find wmake ^ |
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| 02:30.54 | bob2 | [Jan]: or imap. |
| 02:30.56 | vipe | debian_user: man sources.list |
| 02:31.15 | yaman_ | Sorry, still having somhe netw\ork problems |
| 02:31.21 | yaman_ | i missed everything after saying the module name |
| 02:31.40 | [Jan] | bob2: my mail is stored in ~Maildir true procmail, and other users in /var/spool/... |
| 02:31.52 | [Jan] | but /etc/defaults/courier has Maildir |
| 02:31.54 | ryuujin | bob2 you wouldn't happen to know which files i should download from blade's backport debian repository? |
| 02:31.56 | bob2 | yaman: when was that driver merged into the 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:32.07 | bob2 | ryuujin: for what? |
| 02:32.11 | [Jan] | and i think the pop3 daemon is checking /var/spool/... |
| 02:32.17 | ryuujin | bob2 to make it work.. |
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| 02:32.25 | bob2 | [Jan]: all the courier daemosn check the same palce. look in /etc/courier/ |
| 02:32.43 | bob2 | ryuujin: oh, just xserver-xfree86, afaik. |
| 02:32.45 | namirhaA | i just installed apache thru apt-get, is there any reason why I am unable to connect to the webserver unless i use it locally with 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:32.52 | ryuujin | bob2 okay, i'll try that |
| 02:32.55 | discordia | how can i translate the canonical file into canonical.db for postfix ? |
| 02:32.57 | bob2 | ryuujin: check www.xfree86.org to see if you need x4.2 or 4.3. |
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| 02:33.11 | bob2 | discordia: postmap canonical |
| 02:33.21 | bob2 | namirhaA: where can't you connect from? |
| 02:33.21 | [Jan] | bob2: 1 message (1 seen) for jan at viper.home.smets.cx. |
| 02:33.30 | ryuujin | bob2 methinks it's 4.3 but i can only check via lynx which isn't the best browser.. |
| 02:33.31 | discordia | also doch postmap ... hmmm |
| 02:33.34 | bob2 | namirhaA: can you ping the host from the palce you can't access the webserver? |
| 02:33.35 | discordia | thx bob2 |
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| 02:33.44 | debian_user | vipe: it open a manual |
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| 02:34.28 | yaman__ | argh. |
| 02:34.29 | vipe | debian_user: paste me your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 02:34.30 | yaman__ | ok |
| 02:34.34 | yaman__ | im here to stay now. |
| 02:34.38 | Brutus | totally off topic, but i'm also wondering if kernel currently supports it: what is that pad and pen you buy for around 120$ cost? |
| 02:34.46 | yaman__ | bob2, trans_err: did you have any additional comments? |
| 02:34.49 | Brutus | s/cost/called |
| 02:34.49 | Brutus | o_o |
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| 02:35.02 | ryuujin | bob2 i couldn't make you check for me? |
| 02:35.11 | Brutus | yaman__ why are there three of you here? :p |
| 02:35.27 | namirhaA | bob2, yes |
| 02:35.37 | bob2 | Brutus: wacom tablet? |
| 02:35.42 | namirhaA | bob2, I am able to ping, im just unable to connect thru the network ip, "192.168.2.16" |
| 02:35.42 | bob2 | ryuujin: bleh. |
| 02:35.43 | yaman__ | Brutus, ghosts |
| 02:35.47 | bob2 | yaman__: when was it supported? |
| 02:35.58 | Brutus | bob2, exactly, thank you...and um, kernel support? |
| 02:36.00 | bob2 | namirhaA: can you telnet to port 80? |
| 02:36.03 | yaman__ | bob2, i dont know how long its been supported... but it is in the 2.4.2* kernels |
| 02:36.09 | ryuujin | bob2 i take that as a no. |
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| 02:36.53 | bob2 | Brutus: well supported by the kernel and X, at least if it is actually a wacom tablet. look carefully before you buy. |
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| 02:36.56 | namirhaA | bob2, no |
| 02:37.05 | bob2 | ryuujin: blah, I'm asking around. |
| 02:37.05 | bob2 | yaman__: try installing sarge then, it has a 2.4.22 kernel by default. |
| 02:37.32 | yaman__ | bob2, well it needs to have the module on the CD or enabled in the kernel |
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| 02:37.55 | bob2 | namirhaA: run "netstat -puant | grep 80" as root on the sebwerver. is apache actually listebning on the lan ip? |
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| 02:38.01 | pzrael | alright, i'm going to be dual booting xp /linux with two hds. can i safely just install each OS on a separate disk and have XPs MBR stuff detect the linux os? |
| 02:38.02 | ryuujin | bob2 okay ^_^ |
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| 02:38.22 | yaman__ | bob2, sarge is testing, right? |
| 02:38.47 | debian_user | vipe? |
| 02:38.59 | ryuujin | hum.. |
| 02:39.14 | ryuujin | omg, yaman, what's with the clones?! |
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| 02:39.54 | namirhaA | bob2, it just says 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:40.37 | yaman__ | ryuujin, theyre not clones... two of them are dead |
| 02:40.38 | vipe | debian_user: ? |
| 02:41.11 | ryuujin | yaman__ dead? |
| 02:41.24 | bob2 | yaman__: yes. |
| 02:41.28 | namirhaA | bob2, maybe it has something to do with inetd |
| 02:41.28 | pzrael | sigh... oh wells, we'll see if this format scheme works |
| 02:41.31 | debian_user | can you look in query pls? |
| 02:41.33 | vipe | yaman__: register your nick with nickserv. you will be able to kill your ghost |
| 02:41.36 | bob2 | namirhaA: then you have a network or firewall issue. |
| 02:41.49 | bob2 | pzrael: just leet lilo boot both. |
| 02:42.06 | yaman__ | vipe, i think i have to be using a nick to register as it... i'll do it later, after theyve pinged out |
| 02:42.14 | debian_user | how i can open my source.list? |
| 02:42.21 | yaman__ | ryuujin, my network went down while connected b ut the IRC server hasnt noticed yet |
| 02:42.24 | vipe | debian_user: i ignore private messages from unregistered users and don't messages me. use #flood as I asked |
| 02:42.37 | bob2 | debian_user: with a text editor. |
| 02:42.47 | vipe | yaman__: :) |
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| 02:43.01 | vipe | bob2: lol |
| 02:43.02 | namirhaA | heh |
| 02:43.05 | ryuujin | yaman__ sounds weird. |
| 02:43.21 | yaman__ | bob2, the link on debian.org for sarge netinst cd's is dead |
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| 02:43.44 | mool | I'm getting a segfault trying to start apache after a Sarge update yesterday. The error is line apachectl line 171: 788 Seg fault $HTTPD. Any help? |
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| 02:43.51 | bob2 | yaman__: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 02:43.51 | vipe | yaman__: read the topic |
| 02:43.55 | slidesinger | I have a fujitsu p-2040 laptop with a dvd. It is widescreen and I have the following modes working: 1280x768, 1024x600, and 800x480. 800 x 480 is close to fullscreen for the dvd, so I'm thinking there must be one more size below that. Does anyone know how I would find out what the size is? The monitor has the same aspect ratio as hdd tv, whatever that is. |
| 02:43.59 | bob2 | mool: are you using mod_perl? |
| 02:44.00 | debian_user | basho: /etc/apt/sources.list permission denied?! <- have first typed su |
| 02:44.08 | mool | bob2: yes |
| 02:44.10 | lugorX | 1 |
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| 02:44.23 | bob2 | mool: coment it out and see if apache runs properly. |
| 02:44.26 | yaman__ | bob2, awesome, thanks |
| 02:44.29 | vipe | debian_user: you can only sources.list as root |
| 02:44.32 | mool | bob2: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 02:44.42 | pzrael | and btw, how can i make it so log files from my iptables firewall script goto a set file. i looked in /etc/syslog.conf but i'm confused =\ |
| 02:44.52 | debian_user | hum when i type su, then i'm not root?! |
| 02:44.58 | vipe | debian_user: btw, if you 're not used to vi, take a copy first ;) |
| 02:45.17 | vipe | ~tell debian_user about su |
| 02:45.23 | debian_user | to vi? |
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| 02:45.34 | bob2 | debian_user: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:45.40 | vipe | ok, apt doesn't know su | hehe |
| 02:45.47 | debian_user | open sources.list |
| 02:45.50 | debian_user | ah ok |
| 02:46.02 | Serialkiller | when someone logs in to ssh where is the connection logged to? |
| 02:46.07 | ryuujin | bob2 any idea? |
| 02:46.08 | mool | bob2: OK, that worked, but pretty much breaks a lot of my site. What happened to mod_perl? |
| 02:46.13 | debian_user | can i open root screen? or must i logout? |
| 02:46.24 | bob2 | Serialkiller: /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:46.36 | vipe | debian_user: if you do `id -a`, does it say uid=0(root) ? |
| 02:46.37 | slidesinger | debian_user: if you are used to EMACS but don't want the overhead, try jed. If you don't know what EMACS is, ignore this message. |
| 02:47.09 | slidesinger | Serialkiller: port 22 |
| 02:47.25 | debian_user | yes v ipe |
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| 02:47.43 | debian_user | gid=0 and groups=0 |
| 02:47.48 | vipe | debian_user: ok, now paste /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 02:47.48 | slidesinger | Serialkiller: less /etc/services | grep ssh |
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| 02:48.10 | debian_user | permission denied |
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| 02:48.37 | debian_user | must first logout |
| 02:48.38 | vipe | debian_user: what command did you used ? |
| 02:48.46 | vipe | debian_user: ? |
| 02:48.47 | debian_user | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:49.09 | debian_user | id -a then /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:49.15 | tag | How big of a deal is it to switch distros on a live box? |
| 02:49.15 | vipe | ofcourse it says permission denied |
| 02:49.17 | ecstatix | hi |
| 02:49.27 | vipe | you are trying to execute a regular file |
| 02:49.36 | Matthew_I | how can I check what bootloader is being used? |
| 02:49.39 | debian_user | hum?! |
| 02:49.45 | debian_user | what must i type?! |
| 02:49.48 | vipe | debian_user: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:49.53 | debian_user | k |
| 02:49.57 | ryuujin | Matthew_I look at what it's called when booting.. |
| 02:49.58 | vipe | and paste the output in #flood |
| 02:50.17 | slidesinger | debian_user: type su - at the prompt, then type the root password when prompted. |
| 02:50.28 | Matthew_I | how can I check what bootloader is being used from a shell script |
| 02:50.29 | cafuego | !bobfont |
| 02:50.29 | dpkg | well, bobfont is http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 02:50.39 | debian_user | its working already thx desinger |
| 02:50.44 | mool | tag: I've done a switch from RH to Debian which wasn't too difficult. Just untar the file system and change all your pointers and such. |
| 02:51.03 | tag | untar the file system? |
| 02:51.05 | slidesinger | debian_user: as opposed to logging out and logging in as root, that is. |
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| 02:51.28 | ryuujin | methinks that is just a bit too easy. |
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| 02:51.42 | pzrael | thats how i upgraded from windows =) |
| 02:52.02 | namirhaA | ok i have 2 more easy questions, how do i get my ETH0 to start on bootup, with DHCP |
| 02:52.05 | ryuujin | that comment wasn't really neede. |
| 02:52.28 | ecstatix | is there a xchat 2.0.6 .deb? |
| 02:52.37 | mool | tag: I'm looking for the page on how to do it. Just a second... |
| 02:53.05 | slidesinger | debian_user: You should also check out the following sites which contain some very nice tutorials to familiarise you with the basics of linux and the command line. http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/rute.html.gz http://linuxcommand.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:53.24 | pzrael | namirhaA: are you trying to resolve eth0 with dhcp, or run dhcpd on eth0? |
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| 02:53.36 | debian_user | thanks desinger, can i need, i will learn ^ |
| 02:53.37 | ryuujin | namirhaA put 'auto eth0' on 1 line in /etc/network/interfaces/ and on the next line you write: 'face eth0 inet dhcp' (do not use the ' ' !) |
| 02:53.37 | mool | tag: but basically you grab the base install of Debian, untar it to your root dir and reboot after fixing a whole bunch of things. |
| 02:54.00 | tag | heh |
| 02:54.04 | tag | sounds like FUN |
| 02:54.12 | tag | I'm doing this remotely |
| 02:54.13 | ryuujin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.13 | deejoe | s/face/iface/ |
| 02:54.28 | ryuujin | yeah, iface |
| 02:54.42 | ryuujin | now that's my fault :( |
| 02:54.42 | deejoe | :) |
| 02:54.46 | namirhaA | ryushe, great, exactly what i was lookin for |
| 02:54.50 | namirhaA | er |
| 02:54.52 | namirhaA | ryuujin |
| 02:55.04 | ryuujin | as Jan just said: no comment. |
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| 02:55.11 | ecstatix | nick complete does'nt really help on a channel where there are 600 people:) |
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| 02:55.14 | pzrael | or you could just make a script that runs "dhclient eth0" |
| 02:55.15 | ryuujin | is it really that hard to type my nick correctly? |
| 02:55.17 | muncc2beo | Is there some kind of hostility between debian and mplayer? |
| 02:55.25 | ryuujin | ecstatix fix it youself. |
| 02:55.25 | namirhaA | ryuujin, yep |
| 02:55.26 | rahul | ecstatix: it does, if you use a decent IRC client |
| 02:55.31 | ryuujin | namirhaA no. |
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| 02:55.48 | ecstatix | rahul: explain -decent-. I use either irssi or xchat |
| 02:55.49 | namirhaA | ryuujin, actually it is, gibberish names are always hard to get right |
| 02:55.50 | pzrael | i thought irc users were incredibly anal until i noticed tab autocompletes =) |
| 02:55.53 | ryuujin | r-y-u-u-j-i-n; without the -. x.x |
| 02:55.59 | pietvw | Howdy Guys... :) |
| 02:56.01 | rahul | ecstatix: one is decent, the other is not. guess :] |
| 02:56.08 | ryuujin | namirhaA and yours isn't 'gibberish' ? O.o |
| 02:56.12 | ecstatix | rahul: which one is'nt, xchat? |
| 02:56.14 | slidesinger | Different question.....how can I find out which resolution X is currently in? |
| 02:56.23 | rahul | ding ding! we have a winner. |
| 02:56.26 | namirhaA | ryuujin, mine you can pronounce, yours....you cant unless your born in china |
| 02:56.40 | pzrael | slidesinger: with a ruler, a magnifying glass, and a lot of time. |
| 02:56.41 | Covener | slidesinger: xdpyinfo, xvidtune, xrandr |
| 02:56.43 | ryuujin | slidesinger countring the pixels.. |
| 02:56.50 | bob2 | mool: perl's ABI changed without telling anyone, so everything needs to be rebuitl. try getting libapache-mod-perl and libperl from sid. |
| 02:56.58 | slidesinger | Covener: thanks |
| 02:57.00 | namirhaA | slidesinger, sadly they're tellin the truth :) |
| 02:57.01 | ryuujin | namirhaA IT'S JAPANESE YOU PRICK! |
| 02:57.09 | ecstatix | heh |
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| 02:57.10 | namirhaA | chinese japanese dirty knees |
| 02:57.12 | mool | bob2: ugh, thanks. |
| 02:57.15 | Justin__ | namirhaA: your name being backwards and all... |
| 02:57.16 | namirhaA | all the same to me |
| 02:57.32 | ryuujin | you're ignorant, that's your problen. |
| 02:57.38 | ryuujin | and i don't know how to type.. that's mine.. |
| 02:57.42 | namirhaA | lol |
| 02:57.43 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:57.52 | namirhaA | Justin__, o u know my name eh |
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| 02:58.01 | slidesinger | namirhaA: hmmm, I guess that's something to bring up with jg the next time I chat with him. Anything else concerning X I should pass on? |
| 02:58.15 | namirhaA | slidesinger, no clue |
| 02:58.24 | ecstatix | eh, why does sylpheed have jpilot as a suggested package? |
| 02:58.38 | Ahriman | >:| |
| 02:58.41 | Sebulba02 | ecstatix: to allow syncing with a pda? |
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| 02:58.48 | Justin__ | namirhaA: you had one too many a's |
| 02:58.49 | Ahriman | someone regged my nick |
| 02:58.50 | Ahriman | damnit |
| 02:58.50 | ecstatix | Sebulba02: maybe. |
| 02:58.56 | ryuujin | ecstatix why not? |
| 02:58.57 | Ahriman | Justin__, yep, i typed it too fast |
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| 02:59.06 | ryuujin | Ahriman maybe youself? O.o |
| 02:59.08 | ryuujin | damn. |
| 02:59.14 | ecstatix | ryuujin: you're japanese. are you hiroy? |
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| 02:59.20 | hksdu | I am using cable modem and router at home, I cannot receive file from DCC, which port I have to forward in firewall so I can receive? |
| 02:59.20 | sladegen | !^5 |
| 02:59.21 | dpkg | sladegen: ^5 |
| 02:59.26 | ryuujin | ecstatix am i japanese? |
| 02:59.28 | ecstatix | ryuujin: i mean the sylpheed developer? |
| 02:59.30 | namirhA | haha |
| 02:59.32 | bob2 | ryuujin: 4.3, methinks. |
| 02:59.37 | mool | tag: alright... this is how I did it a few years ago on a PPC machine. Should be similar to what you want to do but if at all possible a clean install would probably be best. |
| 02:59.39 | bob2 | stop this crap. |
| 02:59.44 | mool | tag: http://www.jonh.net/cgi-bin/lppcfom/fom?_recurse=1&file=227#file_572 |
| 02:59.46 | Spork_Boy | so I got a Gyration usb mouse... it works nicely, but every now & then, it just stops (mouse is responding, pointer isn't) and I have to reload the module. any clues on how to fix this? or at least get it to auto-reload? |
| 03:00.07 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: does anythign happen in syslog when it stops working? |
| 03:00.21 | vipe | defining /usr/bin/wmaker in ~/.xinitrc is enough right? or am I forgetting something? |
| 03:00.35 | ecstatix | vipe: exec wmaker is enough |
| 03:00.35 | bob2 | ~/.xsession |
| 03:00.37 | ryuujin | bob2 yeah, i came to that conclution too, now i just need to figure out how to install it.. last time something went wrong and i couldn't start any window-manager other than fluxbox or blackbox :( (methinks it was my own error, anyways, need guidance this time) |
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| 03:00.44 | Spork_Boy | bob2: there's some GetModeLine stuff in the terminal... lemme check the file. |
| 03:01.00 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: not there, in /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:01.36 | bob2 | hksdu: you don't need to forward ports, you need a better "router". linux with netfilter will work. |
| 03:01.57 | hksdu | bob2: what problem is that? |
| 03:02.12 | bob2 | ryuujin: add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://debian.fabbione.net/debian-ipv6 woody ipv6 |
| 03:02.15 | hksdu | bob2: is it because my router doesn't know how to route for mIRC? |
| 03:02.29 | ryuujin | bob2 hope it works with ipv4 :/ |
| 03:02.30 | bob2 | ryuujin: then apt-get update, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:02.31 | vipe | debian_user: create a file ~/.xsession and write 'exec wmaker' in it (without the quotes!) |
| 03:02.36 | bob2 | ryuujin: then remove or comment out that line, then apt-get update again. |
| 03:02.37 | Spork_Boy | could it be... Dec 28 20:05:17 James kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 272 |
| 03:02.38 | Spork_Boy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.39 | bob2 | ryuujin: it does. |
| 03:02.40 | Matthew_I | how can I check what bootloader is being used from a shell scrip |
| 03:02.45 | namirhA | hksdu, just put yourself in the DMZ |
| 03:02.45 | ryuujin | okay.. |
| 03:02.50 | nmx | has anoyone had any luck getting xv to work with a radeon 9800? |
| 03:02.54 | bob2 | hksdu: it's because your router doesn't udnerstand DCC. |
| 03:02.57 | bob2 | Matthew_I: you can't. |
| 03:03.05 | hksdu | namirhA: what is DMZ? |
| 03:03.12 | Matthew_I | bob2: thanks |
| 03:03.12 | hksdu | bob2: ic |
| 03:03.13 | namirhA | hksdu, de-militarized zone |
| 03:03.16 | hksdu | bob2: thanks |
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| 03:03.18 | namirhA | hksdu, most routers have one |
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| 03:03.32 | namirhA | hksdu, your still behind the router, but no firewall |
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| 03:03.43 | namirhA | everything gets forwarded to you |
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| 03:03.51 | theSpear | I was wondering what it would take to install coldfusion on a *nix server? |
| 03:04.11 | Azhrarn | vmware? :) |
| 03:04.13 | cafuego | theSpear: money |
| 03:04.18 | Steven_ | a miracle |
| 03:04.26 | theSpear | no.. |
| 03:04.30 | ryuujin | bob2 newest version.. :/ |
| 03:04.30 | Steven_ | yes |
| 03:04.37 | theSpear | uhm |
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| 03:04.42 | theSpear | well i mean as in physically |
| 03:04.44 | cafuego | theSpear: You pay them money, they give you the software to run with apache. |
| 03:04.46 | Steven_ | j/k, I don't know actually |
| 03:04.47 | malloc_ | i thought cold fusion ran on *nix |
| 03:04.48 | theSpear | installation time and stuff |
| 03:04.49 | Spork_Boy | bob2: I know the device is keyboard-related, and there are a LOT of things like "Dec 28 20:05:17 James kernel: keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 272" in there (also 273 on same msg, and "last message repeated X times" where 3<x<47) |
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| 03:05.26 | OwO | lspci indiI know I have a SBLivce PCI card. lspci confirms it. When I do an insmod emu10k1 I get a large number of "Unresolved symbols" |
| 03:05.30 | bob2 | ryuujin: pastwe the output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86" into #flood. |
| 03:05.32 | hksdu | namirhA: nope, I need to specify the ports, cuz it only forwards common ports like HTTP, FTP |
| 03:05.41 | bob2 | OwO: that means the module wasn't built properly. |
| 03:05.46 | bob2 | OwO: just use a Debian kernel. |
| 03:05.52 | OwO | I have installed on a stand alone machine Debian 2.4.18 |
| 03:05.53 | cafuego | OwO: modprobe, not insmod. |
| 03:05.53 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: but nothing about the mouse? |
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| 03:06.14 | rks | HOw can i put a package on hold? |
| 03:06.37 | cafuego | rks: echo "<package> hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:06.38 | mool | tag: sorry that faq is so dated and ppc specific. It also doesn't touch on remotely switching which will take a lot of extra configuration. Why do you need to do this? |
| 03:06.52 | malloc_ | theSpear: coldfusion runs on Linux,AIX,HP-UX, Mac OS X and Solaris |
| 03:07.00 | Spork_Boy | bob2: nope... but the module actually claims the device is a keyboard. |
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| 03:07.12 | OwO | bob2 I am. My question is, how do I get sound to work if there are conflicting methods described in the docs ? |
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| 03:07.54 | vipe | OwO: are the correct modules loaded ? |
| 03:08.02 | bob2 | OwO: a) what docs? b) it will Just Work if you use a Debian kernel and modprobe. |
| 03:08.02 | sillybilly | Any networking experts around? |
| 03:08.02 | rks | cafuego and how can i unhold a package? |
| 03:08.11 | Spork_Boy | bob2: actually, it says it's both: |
| 03:08.12 | vipe | OwO: do you write access yo all your audio devices ? |
| 03:08.13 | HotCool | OwO: what kernel are you using? |
| 03:08.15 | Azhrarn | define expert |
| 03:08.17 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: oh, ok. very weird. |
| 03:08.21 | Spork_Boy | Dec 28 21:05:51 James kernel: input0: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [Gyration GyroPoint RF Technology Receiver] on usb1:7.0 |
| 03:08.21 | Spork_Boy | Dec 28 21:05:51 James kernel: input1,hiddev0: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Gyration GyroPoint RF Technology Receiver] on usb1:7.1 |
| 03:08.25 | bob2 | vipe: he hasn't loaded the module yet. |
| 03:08.50 | Spork_Boy | there's a keyboard (optional) that goes with the same reciever.. it kinda just assumes you have it too. |
| 03:08.52 | OwO | VVipe Unfortunately in the ;/usr/src/linu/x/Documentation/Sound directory there is no specific infomation on the modules to use for an SBLive PCI card. |
| 03:08.58 | sillybilly | anyone who has installed nic drivers for debian internetwork install (floppy) |
| 03:09.01 | namirhA | ohohohoh another question, how do i get my Console video to go through a diff video card? I have onboard that cannot be shut off, and another video card, it shows up in LSPCI |
| 03:09.16 | OwO | HotCool - On that stand alone machine 2.4.18 |
| 03:09.22 | bob2 | OwO: ignore that. install a Debian kernel and "modprobe emu10k1" and it will work. |
| 03:09.30 | Covener | namirhA: probably bios setting to init the offboard vid first |
| 03:09.47 | namirhA | Covener, its a pentium 75 btw |
| 03:09.57 | vipe | OwO: i know which module you need, give me a second. I'll have a look in my kernel config |
| 03:09.58 | namirhA | mobo is sux |
| 03:10.03 | bob2 | sillybilly: you mean using the driver disks? |
| 03:10.04 | OwO | bob2 OK.. after the modprobe emu10k1 would something like cat sound.au > /dev/dsp work ? |
| 03:10.05 | HotCool | You should have had an option on install for a SBLive card |
| 03:10.07 | bob2 | vipe: OwO it's emu10k1. |
| 03:10.11 | bob2 | OwO: as root, yes. |
| 03:10.18 | bob2 | OwO: does modprobe work with no errors? |
| 03:10.32 | sillybilly | no, if you need to install a module for your nic |
| 03:10.33 | OwO | bob2 lemme check on that machine. |
| 03:10.46 | Azhrarn | try installing discover |
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| 03:11.07 | bob2 | sillybilly: during the install? |
| 03:11.15 | bob2 | sillybilly: you need to read the install guide, it explains all this. |
| 03:11.15 | sillybilly | yep |
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| 03:11.25 | OwO | bob2 okkay it sort of works... but its terriblty distorted. None-the-less, its a start. |
| 03:11.37 | vipe | bob2: k, thx |
| 03:11.41 | sillybilly | ok |
| 03:11.48 | OwO | bob2 thanks. Now on to ALSA... |
| 03:11.49 | bob2 | OwO: drop the volume in "aumix" and crank your speaker volume. |
| 03:12.00 | OwO | bob2 yes. |
| 03:12.02 | bob2 | OwO: sblive cards seem to have horribly crap amplifiers. |
| 03:12.09 | OwO | hrmmm... |
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| 03:12.31 | Covener | owo: i've found keeping it under 80% in the mixer and you're good |
| 03:12.38 | zeeble | hi. are there any problems with the gcc upgrades for today in unstable? |
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| 03:12.52 | rahul | zeeble: you tell us |
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| 03:13.07 | rahul | zeeble: this isn't a developers' channel, really |
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| 03:13.15 | zeeble | rahul dunno. i just checked the changelog. just asking around before the upgrade |
| 03:13.19 | debian_user | anyone know a tool with msn messenger protocol? |
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| 03:13.27 | Covener | debian_user: gaim does |
| 03:13.32 | zeeble | debian_user amsn, ayttm, gaim, kopete |
| 03:13.34 | rahul | zeeble: why do you think this would be the best place to ask? |
| 03:13.40 | debian_user | thanks |
| 03:13.45 | namirhA | rahul why are u being a dick |
| 03:13.50 | namirhA | rahul its a simple question |
| 03:13.55 | zeeble | rahul umm, people in a different time zone might have done it earlier |
| 03:13.55 | Crell | Has anyone had any luck with the ATI Radeon AIW 7500 under Sid? I want to see what I have to do to it before I upgrade the kernel, so I only need to do it once. :-) The ATI site doesn't list anything older than 8000 or so as a supported card, but I could have sworn the 7500 was Linux-friendly these days. |
| 03:14.07 | rahul | namirhA: it's the WRONG place to ask it, moron |
| 03:14.13 | bob2 | zeeble: check the bts and install apt=-listchanges |
| 03:14.13 | zeeble | namirhA its part of using linux. and being lame enough to ask here. |
| 03:14.19 | bob2 | debian_user: gaim. |
| 03:14.21 | rahul | zeeble: and do you really think they'll be here? |
| 03:14.28 | namirhA | lol |
| 03:14.34 | rahul | bob2: well, he said he already looked at the changelog |
| 03:14.39 | debian_user | couldn't find package amsn |
| 03:14.42 | zeeble | rahul danke. point taken. |
| 03:14.52 | debian_user | gaim found ^ |
| 03:14.56 | zeeble | bob2 i checked the changelog. just asking of there's any issues after install |
| 03:15.07 | bob2 | zeeble: if there were, it would be in the BTS. |
| 03:15.09 | debian_user | gaim |
| 03:15.13 | bob2 | zeeble: if it was fatal, it would be in the topic. |
| 03:15.17 | rahul | seriously, how can you use unstable and NOT know of the BTS? |
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| 03:15.33 | asg | Serialkiller: yeah, just got back from the pub. |
| 03:15.59 | Spork_Boy | okay.. question #2.. is there a way I can do a command or button of some sort to set my monitor to standby mode on demand? |
| 03:16.08 | zeeble | rahul are you trying to tell me that whenever there has been a problem in unstable, it has been listed in the BTS? though i agree, the BTS would be the best place to check |
| 03:16.18 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: xset can do it. |
| 03:16.25 | zeeble | anyway, thanks |
| 03:16.35 | bob2 | zeeble: if someone had found it here, they would have reported it already. |
| 03:16.41 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: as can xscreensaver. |
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| 03:16.53 | Spork_Boy | bob2: know how offhand, or do I need to look that up myself? |
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| 03:17.08 | asg | Spork_Boy: as can 'finger -> monitor button' |
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| 03:17.15 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: xset dpms off |
| 03:17.21 | debian_user | gaim: unable to sign on: protocol not supported? wtf? have load the plug-in |
| 03:17.24 | iceman | how can I check what ports for example samba uses? If it's not in my /etc/services |
| 03:17.24 | Spork_Boy | bob2: you're one of the most knowledgeable ppl I've seen in my long history of being in support channels. |
| 03:17.25 | malloc_ | there are some serious problems with xscreensavers ability to "lock" a window |
| 03:17.31 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: etc, you'll need to read the manpage to decide which exact option you need. |
| 03:17.41 | asg | iceman: google samba ports list |
| 03:17.52 | ecstatix | this gkrellmweather plugin, how does it work, it gets a RSS feed from the weather station? |
| 03:17.57 | bob2 | iceman: if it's running, "netstat -puant | grep samba" as root. |
| 03:17.59 | Spork_Boy | asg: not from across the room it can't. I gotta get outta bed to do that, which totally defeats the purpose of being able to work my lights from there :p |
| 03:18.12 | bob2 | ecstatix: it uses wget to pull from the american national seather service webpage. |
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| 03:18.19 | bob2 | malloc_: file bugs! |
| 03:18.20 | debian_user | bob2? gaim not work |
| 03:18.23 | asg | Spork_Boy: ah, the genetically enhanced finger is out of the question then :) |
| 03:18.27 | muncc2beo | OK, I'm probably missing something really obvious, but when I try to play a DVD with mplayer, I get this: |
| 03:18.28 | solinux | hello |
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| 03:18.30 | muncc2beo | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 03:18.30 | muncc2beo | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 03:18.30 | debian_user | loaded plugins: libmsn |
| 03:18.31 | bob2 | debian_user: you'll need the latest version for (haha) msn. |
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| 03:18.41 | bob2 | Spork_Boy: hah, I do my best. |
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| 03:18.56 | muncc2beo | The funny thing is, I was just playing another DVD, took that one out, and put in a new one. Any ideas? |
| 03:19.02 | debian_user | latest version of gaim? where i can download? |
| 03:19.04 | bob2 | muncc2beo: do you have read access to whatever /dev/dvd poitns at? is it pointing at the correct device? |
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| 03:19.14 | muncc2beo | yes, /dev/hdc |
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| 03:19.26 | muncc2beo | rw-rw-r-- |
| 03:19.28 | vipe | debian_user: recently m$ the protocol there msn, you 'll need to upgrade gaim. |
| 03:19.32 | debian_user | it gaim apt-get not the newest? |
| 03:19.36 | malloc_ | bob2, im pretty sure it is an architectural problem rather than a xscreensaver problem, whenever a window is created after the screensaver is running that is also always on top it will display on top of the screensaver until the screensaver changes |
| 03:19.37 | solinux | muncc2beo what about adding you to the cdrom group ? |
| 03:19.40 | vipe | s/the/changed the/ |
| 03:20.06 | muncc2beo | solinux: ok, I did that, but I was just playing another DVD a second ago |
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| 03:20.15 | bob2 | debian_user: gaim in woody is old. |
| 03:20.22 | debian_user | k |
| 03:20.24 | netbrain | what is the X11 devel files? |
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| 03:20.27 | vipe | debian_user: are your running woody ? |
| 03:20.27 | bob2 | malloc_: hmm...it is? |
| 03:20.29 | debian_user | search newer version |
| 03:20.29 | bob2 | netbrain: xlibs-dev |
| 03:20.32 | ecstatix | what do i change in /etc/fstab so i can see the /mnt/windows partitions as normal user, instead of su ing to root? I want to access some files, etc on those partitions |
| 03:20.34 | vipe | debian_user: I guess so |
| 03:20.35 | mfbian | mplayer team said debian sucks and they transfer to slackware |
| 03:20.40 | bob2 | debian_user: look for gaim on www.apt-get.org |
| 03:20.41 | netbrain | bob2: thanks |
| 03:20.49 | asg | bob2: we had IM in woody? thought we were using the TCTTC protocol for that then :) |
| 03:20.49 | bob2 | mfbian: the mplayer devs need to put their crackpipe down. |
| 03:20.54 | ljlane | ecstatix, ntfs or vfat? |
| 03:20.54 | muncc2beo | solinux: bob2: The drive spins up, but I still get that error |
| 03:21.02 | bob2 | mfbian: they're pissed off that mapleyer isn't in Debian. |
| 03:21.03 | ecstatix | ljlane: vfat |
| 03:21.11 | mfbian | bob2: so you don't use their crap do you |
| 03:21.15 | malloc_ | mfbian, mplayer crashes so much and requires so many root privs that it reminds me of windows |
| 03:21.17 | john____ | Anyone know why the Debian XFS net install images folder is forbidden? |
| 03:21.18 | bob2 | mfbian: I do indeed. |
| 03:21.26 | bob2 | mfbian: but I shower right after every use ;-) |
| 03:21.28 | mfbian | wwhy isn't mplayer in debian? |
| 03:21.44 | rahul | mfbian: because debian doesn't want the legal liability |
| 03:21.44 | ecstatix | bob2: that tells what you use mplayer to watch :) |
| 03:21.46 | malloc_ | mfbian, because mplayer is probably illegal in alot of places in the world |
| 03:21.55 | ljlane | ecstatix, look at the fstab examples here and change ntfs to vfat: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html |
| 03:21.58 | bob2 | john____: because people.debian.org was compromised and eduard bloch hasn't checked it and mvoed it back to his ~/public_html yet. google for "debian xfs netinst" and you'll find a bazillion mirrors. |
| 03:22.07 | mfbian | and debian is all legal? |
| 03:22.09 | vipe | bob2: i guess you 're an ogle'r ? |
| 03:22.09 | ecstatix | ljlane: thanks |
| 03:22.19 | bob2 | malloc_: doesn't xscreensaver still lock the whole screen, even if a new one is visible for a little while? |
| 03:22.22 | rahul | mfbian: it tries to be. |
| 03:22.22 | Justin__ | !tell mfbian about mplayer |
| 03:22.25 | bob2 | ecstatix: oi! |
| 03:22.34 | Crell | mplayer works fine for me through the kplayer frontend. |
| 03:22.35 | rahul | mfbian: why would debian want to be shut down because of one package? |
| 03:22.46 | bob2 | mfbian: mplayer violates (potentially) a whole bunch of patents. |
| 03:22.46 | rahul | mplayer works fine for me through the mplayer frontend |
| 03:22.54 | muncc2beo | what does mplayer have against debian anyway? (or vice-versa)? |
| 03:22.54 | Justin__ | !+vfatrw |
| 03:22.55 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 03:22.57 | Justin__ | ljlane: ^^ |
| 03:23.08 | malloc_ | bob2, i'm not sure if xscreensaver denies access to the windows (ie. denies input) but it definately allows them to be displayed in the right circumstances |
| 03:23.14 | rahul | muncc2beo: mplayer works fine in debian/. |
| 03:23.16 | bob2 | mfbian: also, they have a history of not keeping very close track of all the code they use. it may not be actually possible for ANYOEN to distribute mplayer at all. |
| 03:23.16 | nevyn | mfbian: mplayer isn't going into debian that said so does xine.. but they ship that. |
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| 03:23.29 | asg | ~tell root_ about root |
| 03:23.34 | nevyn | bob2: *cough* xine. |
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| 03:23.40 | bob2 | mfbian: someone was auditing it to make sure that it was ok and cuold go in, but they seem to have got bored. it comes up on the lists every now and then. |
| 03:23.41 | Crell | Any video format with actual market share is owned by a huge company that gets cranky if you don't pay them a huge extortion fee. mplayer doesn't bother paying. |
| 03:23.42 | mfbian | how do you install mplayer in debian? why isn't it in package? is it so difficult to do? |
| 03:23.45 | ljlane | Justin__, ah, thanks |
| 03:23.48 | bob2 | nevyn: yes, but xine doesn't violate anyone's copyright. |
| 03:23.57 | bob2 | nevyn: patent violatiosn are generally ignored until someone sues them. |
| 03:23.59 | mfbian | is there xine package for debian? |
| 03:23.59 | Crell | mfbian: There's 3rd party feeds that work fine for me. |
| 03:24.01 | ecstatix | ljlane: oh. so all i have to do is add the "user" option to fstab, for the vfat partitions. Ok. How do i get fstab to be read without rebooting? so i dont have to restart to be able to access the partitions |
| 03:24.02 | asg | mfbian: /msg dpkg mplayer (all is revealed) |
| 03:24.02 | xerophyte | Does anybody use Nessus |
| 03:24.04 | Justin__ | bob2: according to the mplayer people it does |
| 03:24.05 | bob2 | mfbian: it's *in* Debian. |
| 03:24.09 | john____ | thanks bob2 |
| 03:24.16 | bob2 | Justin__: and they've been proven wrong several times. |
| 03:24.25 | debian_user | how i can delete ftp's in sources.list? |
| 03:24.31 | ljlane | ecstatix, not just user, also uid and gid. Check what that bot said. |
| 03:24.42 | Justin__ | bob2: well it was said that "foo" was why mplayer wasnt in debian, and mplayer people said "foo" is in xine, xine is in debian |
| 03:24.58 | ljlane | ecstatix, and you will not need to reboot, just remount |
| 03:25.00 | mfbian | but xine is in debian, and mplayer is not.. |
| 03:25.03 | ecstatix | ljlane: yeah, i copy pasted the line. what i want to do now is that the file should be reread |
| 03:25.12 | ecstatix | ljlane: how? like mount -a? |
| 03:25.14 | bob2 | Justin__: no, the patent issues are beign ignored. |
| 03:25.22 | Justin__ | bob2: for various values of "foo" |
| 03:25.24 | ljlane | ecstatix, that should do |
| 03:25.24 | mfbian | it seems that debian and mplayer team don't like each other.. |
| 03:25.26 | bob2 | mfbian: becuase of CODE issues, not patent ones. |
| 03:25.30 | malloc_ | Justin__, probably libdvd-css which isnt in debian, but is required by xine to play DVDs, eliminating much of Xine's purpose |
| 03:25.33 | ecstatix | ljlane: thanks |
| 03:25.38 | Justin__ | malloc_: nope, not that |
| 03:25.57 | bob2 | Justin__: mplayer keeps using code from other people and makign technical GPl violations. everytime they're called on it, they fix it and say "see, no more!". |
| 03:25.59 | malloc_ | all i do is add the mplayer source from apt-get.org and go on with life |
| 03:26.17 | bob2 | Justin__: they've done it enough that debian-legal wants the source audited before it gets accepted into Debian. |
| 03:26.18 | RainbowW | "i have no root and i want to scream." joy. i love it when i screw up grub. |
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| 03:26.25 | mfbian | i personally find mplayer the best software in unix. i can play those dvds in mplayer that can't be played in windows media player |
| 03:26.31 | mfbian | no need powerdvd or anything |
| 03:26.31 | hanasaki | how can i tell what version of reiser i am using? |
| 03:26.48 | ljlane | hanasaki, maybe /var/log/dmesg |
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| 03:26.53 | debian_user | http://apt-get.org/list/?site=291 <- how i can install this packages? |
| 03:26.54 | Crell | Except for the DVD menu, unless someone knows how to get to the extended features/tracks. :-) |
| 03:26.55 | hanasaki | ah thanks ljlane |
| 03:26.56 | Justin__ | bob2: heh, if only xine didn't suck at so many simple things :-) |
| 03:27.04 | malloc_ | mfbian, mplayer is useful but i would hardly call it the *best* |
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| 03:27.14 | ecstatix | hanasaki: reiserfsck -V |
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| 03:27.20 | Covener | mfbian: I wouldn't go that far, it has some serious quirks and issues,hence the rewrite |
| 03:27.26 | ecstatix | hanasaki: grep for a line that says reiserfsprogs |
| 03:27.38 | hanasaki | ecstatix: bgrep in what? |
| 03:27.41 | malloc_ | mfbian, have you tried mplayer with -vo aalib ? |
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| 03:28.02 | mfbian | i just don't know why that guy keeps saying "debian sucks, debian sucks sucks" |
| 03:28.03 | ecstatix | hanasaki: if you have kernel source, look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes it tells you what to do |
| 03:28.08 | hanasaki | ok |
| 03:28.10 | hanasaki | thanks folks! |
| 03:28.16 | rahul | mfbian: so ignore him |
| 03:28.30 | ecstatix | ljlane: thanks, that worked! |
| 03:28.31 | asg | mfbian: because they have no idea about how to administer an Internet connected system |
| 03:28.31 | debian_user | bob2? how i can add packages from this site? |
| 03:28.37 | ryuujin | mfbian who keeps saying that? |
| 03:28.39 | initech | mfbian: because he doesn't like debian? he's a crappy admin as well, from reading that thread |
| 03:28.52 | shaddai | debian_user: by editing /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:29.01 | mfbian | ryuujin: the mplayer core developer |
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| 03:29.06 | mfbian | aarpi |
| 03:29.13 | netbrain | what is the gtk development files? |
| 03:29.15 | ryuujin | mfbian fuck him, we don't need him, do we? O.o |
| 03:29.21 | Serialkiller | how do i import a reg into winex3? |
| 03:29.22 | asg | netbrain: apt-cache search gtk dev |
| 03:29.33 | netbrain | asg: did that. but a lot of results |
| 03:29.36 | bob2 | netbrain: which version? |
| 03:29.40 | mfbian | hehe |
| 03:29.52 | mfbian | without him you don't have mplayer.. what do you think |
| 03:30.02 | netbrain | bob2: hehe.. i dunno |
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| 03:30.20 | ecstatix | I have another basic linux install question - why do people say you need to have 2X ram as swap partition? In some old howtos, i see that they recommened2X swap because they are using 8M, 32M RAM, what's the use of having a 2G swap when you use like 256M/512M of RAM? |
| 03:30.29 | ryuujin | netbrain apt-cache search gtk dev > gtkdev, afterwards you use your favorite filereader(nano, vi, pico, emacs et cetera) and open gtkdev |
| 03:30.36 | ecstatix | is'nt there something called mplayer-xp? |
| 03:30.43 | Covener | mfbian: most people got along fine w/ aviplay then ffmpef |
| 03:30.46 | mfbian | http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2003-December/022821.html that guy |
| 03:30.52 | malloc_ | ecstatix, at one point there was |
| 03:30.58 | bob2 | netbrain: you'll need to find out. |
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| 03:31.03 | ecstatix | malloc_: ok |
| 03:31.06 | bob2 | netbrain: libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:31.09 | asg | ecstatix: it's really academic at this point. It is always advised to have at least as much swap as ram if you dump kernel core in swap if it oops's |
| 03:31.10 | shaddai | ecstatix: to copy entire ram to swap, you need twice the ram size |
| 03:31.11 | Covener | ecstatix: i believe the fork attempted to move to a more threaded model |
| 03:31.19 | mfbian | Covener: don't lie man, tell me you don't have mplayer installed |
| 03:31.20 | shaddai | ecstatix: but now, you can use smaller swap partition I guess :) |
| 03:31.24 | bob2 | ecstatix: there isn't any point nowadays. |
| 03:31.29 | Covener | mfbian: sure I do, why? |
| 03:31.42 | ecstatix | shaddai: you mean for suspend to RAM, ACPI thinggie? |
| 03:31.50 | ecstatix | bob2: hmm, ok. |
| 03:31.53 | shaddai | ecstatix: no |
| 03:32.00 | ecstatix | shaddai: then? |
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| 03:32.22 | Covener | mfbian: but it's not like w/out mplayer we'd be lost in unix for video |
| 03:32.24 | bob2 | asg: does the kernel actually dump core on an oops? |
| 03:32.30 | shaddai | ecstatix: then you should notice that copying the whole ram to swap is something extremely rare :) |
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| 03:32.47 | asg | bob2: dunno, a poor choice of words on my part admittedly. |
| 03:32.48 | ecstatix | shaddai: heh, i guess so. :) |
| 03:32.52 | malloc_ | Covener, mplayer is pretty much the only way to play wmv files on UNIX |
| 03:33.09 | shaddai | ecstatix: that is what I was told bye someone who worked on the linux kernel |
| 03:33.16 | zignig | ryuujin: is a brave man. |
| 03:33.23 | asg | ryuujin: you must not use Java progs then |
| 03:33.26 | ecstatix | ryuujin: how much ram do you use? |
| 03:33.52 | zignig | ryuujin: or has 4G of ram. |
| 03:33.52 | bob2 | early 2.4 kernels needed at least the same again as swap for ram, since it kept pages in BOTH at the same time |
| 03:34.22 | ryuujin | ecstatix 1024 mb rd 400fsb dual chanel |
| 03:34.22 | bob2 | that hasn't been the case since the new 2.4 VM, tho, so like 2.4.12 |
| 03:34.23 | malloc_ | 2.6 swaps worse than windows |
| 03:34.23 | Covener | malloc_: do they use the windows dlls for wmv? |
| 03:34.23 | zignig | malloc_: really ? |
| 03:34.24 | malloc_ | Covener, yep |
| 03:34.28 | ecstatix | shaddai: ok. heh, i hav 256M ram and a 250M swap, but u have never seen swap getting used. except once in a while |
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| 03:34.38 | malloc_ | Covener, which is why mplayer cant play wmvs on PPC yet |
| 03:34.39 | ryuujin | 2.6 is so hard on your cpu.. |
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| 03:34.54 | mfbian | malloc_: why |
| 03:35.02 | bob2 | malloc_: depends how much ram you have. |
| 03:35.05 | asg | ryuujin: well, at least you are getting your money's worth |
| 03:35.05 | ecstatix | ryuujin: nice. next time i buy a laptop, i will go for one with atleast that much RAM :) |
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| 03:35.11 | Covener | malloc_: isn't that code ripped from avifile for the most part? |
| 03:35.23 | malloc_ | ryuujin, yeah i dont know how people think that 2.6 is faster, bob2: i have 512 megs of ram and 1GB swap |
| 03:35.35 | noo2gentoo | Is the 2.6 VM more tuneable than the 2.4 VM? |
| 03:35.38 | mfbian | 1 G swap. lol |
| 03:35.41 | bob2 | malloc_: that's a fuckload of swap. |
| 03:35.47 | bob2 | malloc_: why so much? |
| 03:35.53 | mfbian | you newbie malloc_ |
| 03:35.56 | zignig | malloc_: its the 386 thats letting you down ;) |
| 03:36.02 | malloc_ | bob2, i use the 2X rule |
| 03:36.13 | malloc_ | zignig, my kernel is compiled for K7 |
| 03:36.19 | Covener | On my machines that I run a lot of java on I do a few gb |
| 03:36.20 | mfbian | 2X rule is bullshit |
| 03:36.32 | zignig | malloc_: weel then , thats why its not running on you 386 very well :P |
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| 03:36.35 | bob2 | malloc_: the 2x rule is wrong with 512MB of RAM |
| 03:36.45 | bob2 | since you'll almost never hti swap at all. |
| 03:36.53 | Aphrum | How can i make gnome start up applications after gnome starts up |
| 03:36.53 | netbrain | anyone here wouldn't happen to know why the volume slider im xmms or aumix doesn't work? something to do with the kernel modules? |
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| 03:36.58 | malloc_ | bob2, under 2.6 im hitting swap ALL the time |
| 03:37.09 | Covener | netbrain: using alsa and no oss compat? |
| 03:37.10 | bob2 | bah! |
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| 03:37.22 | asg | bob2: then again, if he has enough of a system to have 512, he probably has an assload of drive space so who cares |
| 03:37.26 | netbrain | Covener: a intergrated soundcard. VIA* |
| 03:37.28 | bob2 | netbrain: did you add yourself to the audio group, or did you just chown /dev/dsp? |
| 03:37.36 | bob2 | asg: yeah, good point. |
| 03:37.45 | netbrain | did just chown |
| 03:37.53 | asg | bob2: and in the unlikely event that he ever needs it, at least he'll have it :) |
| 03:37.53 | ecstatix | bob2: one of my brother's classmates has a brand new machine with 2G ram, and he installed redhat 9 on it and the installer made 4GB of swap. my brother had gone to see his setup and he came back ranting |
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| 03:38.02 | ryuujin | asg sure do, this computer is so fucking fast at everything.. and with udma66 enabled even i canot follow when moving data from one s-ata raid to another :p |
| 03:38.21 | bob2 | netbrain: you did it wrong. addyourself to the audio group. |
| 03:38.22 | malloc_ | sorry i only have 500 megs of swap, i thought i had 1GB |
| 03:38.22 | Covener | ryu; what kind of transfer rates? |
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| 03:38.27 | bob2 | netbrain: /msg dpkg audio |
| 03:38.39 | ryuujin | Covener udma66 is 133mb/sec |
| 03:38.39 | bob2 | ecstatix: hehe. |
| 03:38.46 | malloc_ | basically any time i leave the system sit for more than 2 hours it swaps everything to disk for no reason |
| 03:38.57 | bob2 | ryuujin: no disk in the universe gets more than ~50MB/s off the platter. |
| 03:38.58 | Aphrum | How can i make gnome execute applications after gnome starts up |
| 03:38.58 | Azar | happy hollidays guys |
| 03:38.59 | Covener | ryuujin: that the rate you see? |
| 03:39.08 | bob2 | malloc_: have you filed a bug? that's horrendous. |
| 03:39.13 | noo2gentoo | my laptop does that, malloc_ :) |
| 03:39.15 | initech | bob2: and that itself is rare |
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| 03:39.15 | malloc_ | and 2.6 has all these pauses too, i would switch back to 2.4 but modprobe is busted when i boot 2.4 |
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| 03:39.19 | Aphrum | is there some property window or or file i can edit |
| 03:39.19 | ecstatix | Aphrum: put then in .xsession or .xinitrc in your home drive |
| 03:39.23 | RainbowW | so if dmesg on a generic kernel says AMD-768 OPUS IDE (rev 03) UDMA100 controller, on my custom kernel, then, "AMD and nVidia IDE support" is the correct option? |
| 03:39.24 | Azar | anyone read about nVidia XFree86 Driver for Linux 1.0-5328 ? |
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| 03:39.31 | ryuujin | bob2 you wouldn't know the keyword for dpkg when installing a swapdrive after installation has finished? |
| 03:39.33 | Covener | bob2: he did say raid, and cheap disks can exceed 50 on theoutter cylinders i believe |
| 03:39.35 | bob2 | Aphrum: the session manager thing in the control panel. |
| 03:39.38 | ecstatix | hanasaki: found out your reiserfs version? |
| 03:39.44 | bob2 | ryuujin: do you have any free space on your disk? |
| 03:39.47 | bob2 | Covener: ah. |
| 03:39.52 | ryuujin | Covener no, as bob2 said it's max is 50mb/sec.. i've only seen 43mb/sec |
| 03:39.55 | ryuujin | bob2 lots |
| 03:40.01 | bob2 | RainbowW: at a guess, yes. |
| 03:40.03 | ryuujin | ~50 gb |
| 03:40.07 | bob2 | RainbowW: as in unpartitioned? |
| 03:40.08 | bob2 | ryuujin: ^ |
| 03:40.09 | malloc_ | Covener, disks are usually faster on the inside, which is why my swap is on the first partition |
| 03:40.23 | bob2 | malloc_: that means it has to seek all the way back to the middle, tho. |
| 03:40.42 | Covener | malloc_: swap is supposed to be in the middle I thought, to minimize seeks. that's the way aix defaults at least |
| 03:40.49 | ryuujin | uhm, i will have after i partitioned with partition magic.. i'll be sure to create the filesystem for linux swap too~ |
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| 03:40.54 | ecstatix | yes, swap in the middle |
| 03:40.54 | ryuujin | bob2 ^ |
| 03:40.54 | Justin__ | bob2: drives have more than one thingy, theres not only one beginning middle and end |
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| 03:41.06 | rahul | malloc_: swap is more latency-sensitive |
| 03:41.10 | Justin__ | and supposedly with modern drives you hvae no idea where its actually putting the sectors |
| 03:41.19 | ecstatix | atleast that's what i read during my documentation reading during install |
| 03:41.22 | bob2 | ryuujin: you could just make a swapfile. |
| 03:41.26 | rahul | you really want to go something like /var, swap, /usr, /home |
| 03:41.26 | bob2 | Justin__: hm, good point. |
| 03:41.34 | malloc_ | Covener, i had a 512 meg swap, and 9.5GB main so i didnt want to break it up in two a 4.75 / 0.5 / 4.75 split |
| 03:41.35 | bob2 | malloc_: install modutils then. |
| 03:41.35 | rahul | Justin__: only a couple sectors |
| 03:41.37 | ecstatix | yes, and a /usr/local |
| 03:41.54 | rahul | Justin__: the only relocation done is when a sector fails |
| 03:42.03 | Justin__ | rahul: sure about that? |
| 03:42.07 | rahul | Justin__: yep |
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| 03:42.25 | Justin__ | there was a whole thread on lkml about it and andre hedrik said otherwise heh |
| 03:42.30 | rks | bob2 is there a way to get an application to startup in a specific workspace? |
| 03:42.33 | malloc_ | bob2, i have modutils installed |
| 03:42.41 | ryuujin | bob2 i'd preffer a partition when i have the capability.. i mean, i know how to make it in partition magic, so i just need to know how to activate it? (anyways, it's just mounting /dev/hdax, right? (x for random figure)) |
| 03:42.51 | rahul | Justin__: probably he said exactly what I'm saying now |
| 03:43.04 | cafuego | With a normal workstation, go with 9Gb / and 500mb swap |
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| 03:43.20 | ecstatix | ryuujin: whn you need swap, you format a small partition as type swap and then swapon the partition |
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| 03:43.32 | Covener | malloc_: afaik disks perform best in the outtermost cylinders |
| 03:43.33 | rahul | Justin__: you'll be wrong less than 1% of the time |
| 03:43.35 | ryuujin | ecstatix eh? |
| 03:43.39 | d3nm3n | Iam going to buy a new system soon my question how well is Intels P4 or AMD 64 -System supported under linux can linux profit from HT or 64 Bit Arch? |
| 03:43.42 | pepo | xDDD |
| 03:43.45 | Acid`X | xDDDD |
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| 03:43.59 | Justin__ | rahul: i thought he said something different, like with he different platters and everything |
| 03:44.00 | ryuujin | lafarcaina you shouldn't irc as root, you're advised to quit and login as a regular user. |
| 03:44.06 | rahul | Covener: "perform" isn't exactly a term with a single definition |
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| 03:44.18 | bob2 | rks: no idea. if you're that serious, use a proper WM like sawfish, which makes it easy. |
| 03:44.18 | malloc_ | Covener, HD tach gives you a pretty good idea of what happens : http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach |
| 03:44.24 | bob2 | malloc_: then you have an old, broken version. |
| 03:44.31 | nevyn | d3nm3n: HT is reasonably well understood and supported at this time (but not in smp configurations) amd64 is less well understood |
| 03:44.33 | rks | bob2 how could i do it with sawfish? |
| 03:44.35 | rahul | Justin__: the sectors are placed on each platter in turn. first track on first platter, first on second, etc |
| 03:44.43 | ryuujin | ecstatix i was thinking of automounting it? |
| 03:44.45 | malloc_ | bob2, i have modutils 2.4.25-3 |
| 03:44.47 | bob2 | ryuujin: no, you make the partition, run "mkswap" on it, then "swapon" it. |
| 03:44.53 | bob2 | malloc_: is that the latest from sid? |
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| 03:44.57 | noo2gentoo | d3nm3n -- my guess is that the risks of HT outweigh the benefits for most workloads |
| 03:44.58 | malloc_ | bob2, yep |
| 03:45.03 | mlm_ | can anyone tell me what -lGL mean as a flag for gcc |
| 03:45.05 | bob2 | rks: it lets you specify which workspace a certain program starts on? |
| 03:45.12 | bob2 | mlm_: "link in the GL library". |
| 03:45.13 | nevyn | noo2gentoo: what risks? |
| 03:45.16 | malloc_ | bob2, let me just verify that it is still broken i havent tried 2.4 in two weeks |
| 03:45.17 | Covener | rahul: disk performance isn't very subjective |
| 03:45.19 | iceman | is there an app that lets you see file system activity in real time? |
| 03:45.21 | c5 | can i configure the network and install apt when im finished with the installation? |
| 03:45.28 | zignig | c5: yes |
| 03:45.34 | bob2 | malloc_: purge and reinstall modutils and module-init-tools and see if it helps. |
| 03:45.37 | zignig | c5: run apt-setup |
| 03:45.40 | ryuujin | bob2 oww, makes sence.. except for the 'swapon' part (console command, i take).. |
| 03:45.42 | rahul | Covener: that's not what I said. I said what I said because it's NOT subjective, but it can't be defined one way. |
| 03:45.44 | noo2gentoo | well ... for one thing, I've seen it bring the cursed Windows OS to its knees |
| 03:45.45 | mlm_ | bob2: what exactly does it mean to "link in ..."? |
| 03:45.52 | ryuujin | does anyone know how to activate udma with hdparm |
| 03:45.54 | asg | iceman: iostat in the sysstat package most likely |
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| 03:45.56 | rahul | Covener: swap performs better where the disk "performs" worse |
| 03:45.57 | d3nm3n | noo2gentoo can you explain that a bit? |
| 03:45.59 | noo2gentoo | and Intel doesn't support it with linux |
| 03:46.00 | malloc_ | bob2, will do, just finishing an apt upgrade right now |
| 03:46.03 | Covener | rahul: rahul, that's why you need to read the context. |
| 03:46.06 | nevyn | noo2gentoo: hrm.. that's not a problem... |
| 03:46.16 | Covener | rahul: and that's not disk performance |
| 03:46.19 | nevyn | vendor support is irrelevant |
| 03:46.23 | noo2gentoo | well ... the windows problem had to do with SQL Server |
| 03:46.32 | bob2 | ryuujin: read the hdparm manpage, carefully, it can horriblyu break things. |
| 03:46.34 | nevyn | and windows having problems is not my problem. |
| 03:46.43 | rahul | Covener: the discussion I was in was about where to place swap |
| 03:46.44 | malloc_ | ryuujin, use append=hdX=dma in lilo.conf instead of hdparm |
| 03:46.45 | c5 | zignig But i have to configure my network. i got no internet on it :/ |
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| 03:46.54 | bob2 | mlm_: hwo much do you know about binary executables and dynamic libraries? |
| 03:46.58 | rahul | noo2gentoo: and that doesn't bring the system to its knees without HT? |
| 03:46.58 | noo2gentoo | it depends on your workload |
| 03:47.17 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. why is bind9 listening in on port 1094? I've been searching for what it's doing there but can't find anything. anyone know? |
| 03:47.24 | zignig | c5: ah , man 5 interfaces , and lspci and modconf to find/install the correct module. |
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| 03:47.35 | noo2gentoo | it works fine without HT ... someone got confused about which processors are real and which ones are shadow |
| 03:47.35 | Covener | rahul: that was a sidetrack to the disk throughput discussion |
| 03:47.39 | rahul | CaT[tm]: so that it doesn't need to be run as root |
| 03:47.43 | rahul | Covener: ok |
| 03:47.45 | malloc_ | CaT[tm], is it rndc? |
| 03:47.49 | nevyn | the only issue I'm aware of with HT and linux is with SMP HT and scheduling being an unsolved problem. |
| 03:47.53 | d3nm3n | noo2:I mainly need the cpu for compiling so i thought i choose P4 with HT |
| 03:48.10 | CaT[tm] | malloc: lsof says named |
| 03:48.15 | mlm_ | bob2: aahhh...so link those in so you don't become dependant on them at runtime? |
| 03:48.19 | noo2gentoo | well ... SMP and HT being an unsolved problem is what *I* call a serious risk |
| 03:48.21 | PrideF | I'm tyring to get gnome to allow me to do more than logout from the "logout" menu option (2.4 on debian sid). I've read a few things about getting permissions to /sbin/shutdown but I've tried a few things with no luck. Anyone have experience getting it working? |
| 03:48.25 | shaddai | CaT[tm]: and rndc is part of named |
| 03:48.27 | malloc_ | CaT[tm], what does grep 1094 /etc/services say? |
| 03:48.28 | asg | rahul: it would be a crappy nameserver if no other one knew it was running on 1049 |
| 03:48.35 | bob2 | mlm_: well, it tells gcc that it WILL be dependant on that at runtime. |
| 03:48.35 | rahul | noo2gentoo: it's solved. just use it. |
| 03:48.37 | noo2gentoo | HT is usesless without SMP, right? |
| 03:48.42 | CaT[tm] | rahul: how does that work? I want to stop it listening on every address on the box. |
| 03:48.43 | bob2 | mlm_: use -static to link things in statically. |
| 03:48.44 | c5 | zignig How shall i know what module i shall have?. hehe here is 100´s |
| 03:48.56 | rahul | noo2gentoo: depends what you call SMP. HT gives two virtual processors for one CPU. |
| 03:48.56 | noo2gentoo | with a UP kernel, all HT does is cut your cache in half, right?? |
| 03:48.57 | nevyn | noo2gentoo: it's only a problem if you buy an SMP P4.. |
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| 03:49.07 | CaT[tm] | malloc: nothing :) |
| 03:49.14 | nevyn | noo2gentoo: uniprocessor HT works fine |
| 03:49.18 | rahul | CaT[tm]: port has nothing to do with address. look at the docs and do what you want it to do |
| 03:49.18 | malloc_ | CaT[tm], weird... |
| 03:49.22 | mlm_ | bob2: then if you use static....then it will make the exe larger...right? |
| 03:49.34 | bob2 | mlm_: *hugely*. |
| 03:49.37 | CaT[tm] | rahul: I've been trying. know what I should be looking for specifically? |
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| 03:49.44 | rahul | noo2gentoo: um... intel use virtual-addressed cache? |
| 03:49.48 | ryuujin | malloc_ where should i put that text? |
| 03:49.48 | nevyn | noo2gentoo: it's more complicated than that but close enought... |
| 03:49.52 | rahul | noo2gentoo: I seriously doubt that |
| 03:50.00 | noo2gentoo | so ... I have one physical processor ... HT enabled ... SMP kernel ... that works? |
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| 03:50.02 | malloc_ | CaT[tm], perhaps it has opened a connection to another nameserver on 1094? |
| 03:50.16 | rahul | CaT[tm]: something with the word listen in it probably |
| 03:50.22 | CaT[tm] | malloc: rather. I've been trying to get bind to show up only on those ips on this box it is meant to do work on. got 953 (which is rndc) and 53 but this is elluding me. |
| 03:50.34 | rahul | noo2gentoo: sure. why not? |
| 03:50.36 | CaT[tm] | malloc: if so its head it up for ages :) |
| 03:50.44 | mlm_ | bob2: so what happens if I don't use -lGL for a GL program? |
| 03:50.46 | CaT[tm] | rahul: I could only find 3. they don't seem to be it. |
| 03:51.01 | Covener | malloc_: hdtach 0mb...xmb is outtermost to innermost |
| 03:51.02 | rahul | mlm_: it won't link. |
| 03:51.05 | malloc_ | ryuujin, in lilo.conf before your kernel specific configurations |
| 03:51.08 | ecstatix | is there some MUA that can download my Hotmail mails from their server? like Outlook/Express? |
| 03:51.08 | noo2gentoo | it was a year ago the last time I compared HT and non-HT on a P4 Xeon ... kernel was 2.4.15 IIRC |
| 03:51.13 | ryuujin | malloc_ should it be append="hda=dma" or append=hda=dma ? |
| 03:51.17 | bob2 | mlm_: then it will fail to build. |
| 03:51.21 | bob2 | ecstatix: gotmail, iirc. |
| 03:51.27 | malloc_ | Covener, interesting :) |
| 03:51.30 | mlm_ | aahhhhhhhhh |
| 03:51.34 | rahul | noo2gentoo: well, duh. that didn't have anything close to HT support. |
| 03:51.39 | noo2gentoo | the clock numbers were quite bizarre ... it appeared to run slower on a HT than a non HT |
| 03:51.47 | ecstatix | ryuujin: append="hda=dma" |
| 03:51.48 | bob2 | mlm_: it needs to figure out where the symbols come from at build time. |
| 03:52.01 | bob2 | noo2gentoo: yes, cache thrashing is bad, m'kay. |
| 03:52.08 | ecstatix | bob2: thanks |
| 03:52.18 | ryuujin | malloc_ so putting it just after the header (that's commented out) will do just fine? because there's a commented out line that's called append="" |
| 03:52.47 | rahul | ryuujin: that will add those options to all linux images |
| 03:52.49 | malloc_ | ryuujin, comment out that line and modify it |
| 03:52.51 | noo2gentoo | so is there a 2.4 kernel that does work with SMP HT? |
| 03:52.54 | malloc_ | er... uncomment that line |
| 03:52.55 | mlm_ | bob2: why can't the compiler find it...shouldn't it be able to figure it out from the #includes? |
| 03:52.57 | loneiguana | whenever I try to use apt-get I get the following error |
| 03:52.57 | loneiguana | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 03:52.57 | d3nm3n | noo2gentoo: so you wouldnt recommand p4 with ht what do you use? |
| 03:53.13 | bob2 | mlm_: no. |
| 03:53.16 | ryuujin | malloc_ okay, done.. can i use udma66 too? (i had that in windows) |
| 03:53.25 | asg | loneiguana: using sid? checked the bts? |
| 03:53.28 | bob2 | loneiguana: run "debsums" to look for disk corruption. |
| 03:53.49 | noo2gentoo | my personal preference is for the fastest (gerund deleted) single processor I can get my hands ... well ... close to :) |
| 03:54.01 | loneiguana | asg: I'm pretty new to debian, what are sid and bts? |
| 03:54.16 | asg | loneiguana: nevermind, follow bob2's advice for now |
| 03:54.16 | noo2gentoo | hands on is a problem ... I don't do heat sink :) |
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| 03:54.50 | loneiguana | debsums doesn't appear to be installed |
| 03:54.58 | malloc_ | ryuujin, put idebus=66 in there too, but usually linux will pick that up automatically (even if you have UDMA133 only use idebus=66) |
| 03:55.09 | rahul | um |
| 03:55.15 | rahul | malloc_: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
| 03:55.18 | noo2gentoo | I'm tentatively planning to get an Opteron next summer |
| 03:55.26 | malloc_ | rahul, is that now bad form? |
| 03:55.32 | d3nm3n | well what about future upgrading p4 or amd? |
| 03:55.33 | rahul | malloc_: it ALWAYS was |
| 03:55.46 | rahul | malloc_: idebus is the CLOCK speed. |
| 03:55.55 | rahul | it's usually tied to the pci bus. |
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| 03:56.06 | noo2gentoo | I have an Athlon laptop and an Athlon T-bird desktop now |
| 03:56.08 | rahul | and I think it's only used for PIO, anyway. look at your dmesg. |
| 03:56.15 | ryuujin | rahul what do i need to change then, if i want to run udma66 |
| 03:56.25 | rahul | ryuujin: nothing. use the right driver. |
| 03:56.28 | noo2gentoo | I have an old Celeron 400 laptop running Knoppix |
| 03:56.33 | cafuego | ey, what's the package called that provides an interface to a gnupg/pgp keyserver? |
| 03:56.34 | ryuujin | rahul which is? |
| 03:56.46 | rahul | ryuujin: the one specifically for your controller |
| 03:56.47 | malloc_ | cafuego, gpg |
| 03:56.49 | noo2gentoo | I'm happy with AMD ... I have P4s at work |
| 03:56.56 | ryuujin | rahul now you lost me |
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| 03:56.59 | deb | cafuego: gnugp |
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| 03:57.05 | abcnew | javascript? |
| 03:57.37 | rahul | ryuujin: um... use the driver that's specifically for your controller. it'll optimize the settings by talking to the controller and the drive. |
| 03:57.45 | cafuego | deb/malloc: Yeah I have that, but in 'seahorse' the server intraface is greyed out. |
| 03:57.50 | d3nm3n | noo2gentoo:iam fine with my t-bird 1400 too but i think i can double the performance with an hardware upgrade :) |
| 03:57.53 | malloc_ | bob2, any idea on this problem, im running XFS and if my computer crashes when i restart i have to manually fsck and reboot |
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| 03:58.02 | noo2gentoo | I haven't come up with an application that works well in SMP ... so I just buy fast UPs and spend the rest of the money on something I can use ... RAM :) |
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| 03:58.15 | ryuujin | rahul ..and if i don't know the name of my controller? (in this case i don't) |
| 03:58.19 | rahul | noo2gentoo: any app that's multithreaded. |
| 03:58.28 | Covener | noo2gentoo: pick any two |
| 03:58.31 | rahul | ryuujin: you don't know what you bought? |
| 03:58.36 | d3nm3n | noo2gentoo: or a good raid controller :) |
| 03:58.42 | wethion | why is it when I try and install alien, dpkg wants to remove Perl, X, and the kitchen sink? |
| 03:58.46 | bob2 | malloc_: do you have the XFS tools installed? |
| 03:58.49 | loneiguana | I ran debsums, it showed a list of files with '0k' after them |
| 03:58.58 | malloc_ | rahul, SMP is always a diminishing returns problem, a 3000mhz UP will almost always be faster than 2X 1500mhz SMP |
| 03:58.59 | bob2 | wethion: which bastardised mnix of distros are you using? |
| 03:59.04 | malloc_ | bob2, yep |
| 03:59.05 | bob2 | loneiguana: any without OK? |
| 03:59.07 | noo2gentoo | but I'm ready for a 64-bit machine ... I suppose I could buy an old slow Alpha on eBay :) |
| 03:59.10 | bob2 | loneiguana: any oopses in "dmesg"? |
| 03:59.11 | asg | wethion: a hybrid woody / sid box? |
| 03:59.12 | ryuujin | rahul uhm, i'm not that well into specifict hardware, but everyone i talked to that knows everything (or close to everything) says it's pretty damn good |
| 03:59.14 | wethion | bob2: deb unstable. |
| 03:59.15 | rahul | malloc_: 3000MHz UP with twice the cache |
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| 03:59.20 | bob2 | wethion: just unstable? |
| 03:59.34 | rahul | ryuujin: that's the most useless statement I've seen today... |
| 03:59.40 | wethion | asg: just updated and upgraded yesterday.. yes, unstable |
| 03:59.45 | ryuujin | rahul might be, but wait a sec.. |
| 03:59.50 | loneiguana | a couple had 'debsums: no md5sums for pkgname' |
| 04:00.02 | rahul | "what kind of engine does your car have?" "everyone said it's pretty damn good" |
| 04:00.05 | ecstatix | ryuujin: it might be a hpt366 |
| 04:00.17 | asg | wethion: what does 'apt-cache policy alien' list as the install candidate? |
| 04:00.24 | noo2gentoo | I should change my nick ... this is a Debian channel :) |
| 04:00.31 | rahul | ecstatix: it might also be a via, or an intel piix, or ... |
| 04:00.31 | bob2 | loneiguana: check dmesg for oopses then |
| 04:00.32 | asg | wethion: what for 'perl' |
| 04:00.38 | ecstatix | rahul: :) |
| 04:00.49 | malloc_ | shouldnt dmesg list it/ |
| 04:01.01 | ryuujin | e |
| 04:01.04 | ryuujin | damn.. |
| 04:01.11 | wethion | asg: installed: none, candidate: 8.41, ver table 8.41 0 |
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| 04:01.19 | ryuujin | ecstatix i have a report from a system tool somewhere.. |
| 04:01.35 | malloc_ | i always get a kick out of seeing libgcc install, it seems weird for a compiler to use libraries (yet it makes complete sense) |
| 04:01.54 | loneiguana | bob2: dosen't look like anything is wrong in dmesg |
| 04:01.56 | Supaplex | ~uupdate |
| 04:01.58 | | uupdate will upgrade a source code package from an upstream revision. eg, dpkg-buildpackage (see the man page) |
| 04:02.07 | dselect-weenie | well ... at some point this week, I'm going to bite the bullet and build a 2.6 kernel on my Athlon T-bird |
| 04:02.07 | asg | wethion: and perl? |
| 04:02.08 | Supaplex | good bot. |
| 04:02.22 | dselect-weenie | I've got a week off from work ... |
| 04:02.24 | wethion | asg: Perl vers, 5.8.0-17 |
| 04:02.26 | bob2 | loneiguana: try memtest86 for a while, I guess. |
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| 04:02.33 | wethion | candidate 5.8.2-2 |
| 04:02.36 | malloc_ | dselect-weenie, it is a waste of time IMHO. 2.6 is really slow on my athlon even with libc-686 |
| 04:03.05 | asg | wethion: when you upgraded to sid, did you use 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
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| 04:03.22 | dselect-weenie | slow on kernel stuff or slow getting out of the way of applications? |
| 04:03.28 | paul | hey guys.. |
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| 04:03.38 | malloc_ | dselect-weenie, slow in the GUI |
| 04:03.44 | dselect-weenie | KDE? |
| 04:03.56 | paul | is it possible to perform a dist-upgrade to testing with p.d.o down atm? |
| 04:04.00 | malloc_ | KDE, GTK, GTK2 |
| 04:04.04 | asg | paul: yes |
| 04:04.21 | bob2 | paul: yes |
| 04:04.24 | paul | thanks |
| 04:04.27 | Supaplex | paul use a mirror |
| 04:04.29 | asg | dselect-weenie: but you are still a dselect weenie :) |
| 04:04.32 | wethion | asg: Hrm- I was ummm.. otherwise away from computers for a while, and after a few months of no upgrades, I just did the first last night. am wondering if things went awry.. am going to try a dist-upgrade and see what happens. |
| 04:04.33 | bob2 | paul: packages.d.o is just a webinterface, it doesn't do anything else. |
| 04:04.46 | dselect-weenie | yeah ... the "= |
| 04:04.50 | malloc_ | it would be much better if the KDE people worked on building apps and the GNOME people worked on building toolkits |
| 04:04.53 | ecstatix | dselect-weenie: you dont use any gtk apps? |
| 04:04.53 | ryuujin | rahul: check out http://home1.stofanet.dk/report.htm |
| 04:04.59 | dselect-weenie | yeah ... the "=" key is your friend |
| 04:05.12 | ryuujin | argh |
| 04:05.12 | asg | wethion: do that because your perl version (5.8.0-17) is old which indicates that you need to get N'Sync |
| 04:05.21 | paul | i take it this apt is not nearly as knowledgeable as the old one? |
| 04:05.23 | dselect-weenie | I use the KDE desktop ... I don't use the KDE apps as such |
| 04:05.31 | ryuujin | rahul sorry, wrong link |
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| 04:05.38 | wethion | asg: *WOW* well, there might be a bit of the problem.. N'Sync ain't the word.. sheesh.. |
| 04:05.38 | paul | apt: dist-upgrade? |
| 04:05.39 | | paul: no idea |
| 04:05.42 | malloc_ | dselect-weenie, what kind of apps do you run? motif? |
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| 04:05.49 | dselect-weenie | Koffice sucks big time along side of OpenOffice 1.1 |
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| 04:06.09 | ryuujin | rahul http://home1.stofanet.dk/vores_hjemme/report.htm <- check out that report.. it might have the answer |
| 04:06.10 | paul | anyone want to advise me of a site detailing the procedures for a smooth dist-upgrade or walk me through it real quick? |
| 04:06.23 | wethion | asg: 182 upgraded, 86 new, and only 8 not upgraded.. :) |
| 04:06.29 | dselect-weenie | mostly desktop-neutral stuff -- texmacs, R, xmaxima are the three biggies |
| 04:06.41 | malloc_ | dselect-weenie, the problem is by the time open office starts up you can have your document written in Koffice, well not quite but sometimes it feels like it |
| 04:06.55 | Supaplex | ~squares |
| 04:06.56 | | don't trip man! those square charaters are cause by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz |
| 04:07.17 | dselect-weenie | I got turned off in RH 7 something by the grungy look of Gnome relative to KDE and never went back |
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| 04:07.36 | ecstatix | dselect-weenie: install xfce4. |
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| 04:07.47 | rahul | ryuujin: um, just tell me what ide controller you're using. |
| 04:07.57 | dselect-weenie | is xfce4 in Knoppix? |
| 04:08.31 | rahul | dselect-weenie: I dunno. is this #knoppix? |
| 04:08.49 | ryuujin | rahul: Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller |
| 04:08.50 | wethion | Oh, has anyone found a way to do pppoe to verizon without rp-pppoe? |
| 04:08.56 | rahul | dselect-weenie: gnome and kde look like whatever you choose for them to look like |
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| 04:09.10 | rahul | ryuujin: so enable support for intel ide controllers in your kernel config |
| 04:09.22 | rahul | wethion: yes. use the kernel's pppoe. |
| 04:09.35 | dselect-weenie | then there's the dragon :) |
| 04:09.42 | ryuujin | rahul modconf that is? |
| 04:09.49 | cafuego | wethion: Like with debian pppoe? |
| 04:09.58 | cafuego | wethion: ... which IS rp-pppoe? |
| 04:10.02 | rahul | ryuujin: probably not, but I dunno how your kernel is set up |
| 04:10.11 | asg | wethion: :) |
| 04:10.23 | rahul | cafuego: I thought rp-pppoe was the userspace thing. |
| 04:10.32 | ryuujin | rahul it's the bf24 setup from the debian installation.. |
| 04:10.33 | rahul | (all userspace, that is) |
| 04:10.44 | zakame | hello! |
| 04:10.49 | asg | hi! |
| 04:10.51 | rahul | ryuujin: well, then compile a kernel that's right for your needs |
| 04:11.04 | cafuego | rahul: it can use a kernel plugin (which makes the kernel think /dev/ethX is a serial port for pppoe, nothing else) |
| 04:11.25 | loneiguana | any ideas on the dpkg segfaulting? |
| 04:11.34 | cafuego | rahul: If DSL won't work without that module, it won't work with either. |
| 04:11.34 | ryuujin | rahul i'm too damn stupid to do that, last time i tried to compile my own kernel i nearly fucked up the hdd for good since the partition table was unable to be recovered (don't even ask how i did it) |
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| 04:11.41 | rahul | cafuego: ok |
| 04:11.51 | paul | what is the correct procedure for doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to testing? i need some newer programs such as gaim etc.. |
| 04:11.57 | zakame | is there some program that scans for the libs of a linux system, then determines which libs can be removed/purged? |
| 04:12.02 | asg | paul: sarge == testing |
| 04:12.08 | wethion | rahul: believe me I tried, verizon DSL, from what I can gather sniffing packets and talking to questionably trained non-linux techs, demands some odd character string passed to the DSLAM before authentication can complete. Spent two days reading and tweaking to no avail. irked me, rp-pppoe (Roaring Penguin etc.) JFW'ed. |
| 04:12.29 | rahul | ryuujin: maybe you should use windows XP, then, if you're that unwilling to read the help. |
| 04:12.47 | ecstatix | no |
| 04:12.49 | rahul | zakame: better to use aptitude from the start |
| 04:12.50 | malloc_ | pppOE is the dumbest technology i've ever seen |
| 04:12.56 | paul | asg ok.. well i have the older stable disk's i just installed off.. what is stable now? woody? |
| 04:13.07 | zakame | paul : what a joke! |
| 04:13.10 | rahul | wethion: what else did you use that didn't work? |
| 04:13.11 | cafuego | malloc_: MS Bob was pretty dumb too. |
| 04:13.13 | asg | paul: yes, woody is the current stable release |
| 04:13.25 | asg | paul: potato was the previous one? |
| 04:13.29 | paul | zakame: ? |
| 04:13.30 | ryuujin | rahul i want to get helped, and i want to read it, but asking me to compile a kernel when the only output i had of it was a nearly broken hdd is a bit too much imho; it scared me pretty much, because i don't want to ruin this computer. |
| 04:13.31 | asg | paul: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:13.42 | dselect-weenie | zakame ... deborphan?? |
| 04:13.48 | paul | asg: 3.0 |
| 04:13.48 | asg | cafuego: but the parrot was cool |
| 04:13.51 | rahul | ryuujin: you screwed up because you didn't read |
| 04:13.53 | asg | paul: that's woody |
| 04:13.57 | wethion | malloc_: Yes, however, I owe my previous DSL provider more than I can pay, and have to go with Verizon for the time being. bleh, no static, ports 80 and 21 blocked.. feh. |
| 04:14.02 | Acid`X | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.07 | ecstatix | ryuujin: you can compile a new kernel, and keep the older kernel too. if the old kernel does'nt work, no big deal, revert back t the old one. |
| 04:14.09 | ryuujin | rahul or because i missed something, but hell, i'm still scared of screwing up. |
| 04:14.11 | cafuego | shit |
| 04:14.13 | rahul | ryuujin: I have no idea how you managed to screw up that badly, but I guess that's what happens when you do things randomly |
| 04:14.14 | asg | paul: to go to testing, '/msg dpkg stable->testing' or use backports (www.apt-get.org) |
| 04:14.19 | cafuego | can anyone tell me my icq number? |
| 04:14.19 | paul | asg: ok then..:) i need to dist-upgrade from woody to sarge then |
| 04:14.21 | rahul | ryuujin: you missed it because you didn't read it |
| 04:14.35 | ecstatix | ryuujin: just make sure you dont mess with current files and you have your bootloader setup properly |
| 04:15.05 | asg | cafuego: not unless it is your ipv6 addy :) |
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| 04:15.30 | ryuujin | rahul do you know how i did things? i followed the danish debian guide step for step and you really don't know me either, so how can you say that i don't read things if you're not sitting right next to me monitoring my every move? |
| 04:15.51 | malloc_ | looks like he got you rahul |
| 04:16.05 | zakame | dselect-weenie : is that a package? |
| 04:16.25 | rahul | ryuujin: what is a danish debian guide? Why do you need a fancy guide? it's all right in front of you? bf2.4 works, so you can compile a kernel that works and has what you need. |
| 04:16.30 | malloc_ | ryuujin, the intel controllers should have a module already built in the kernel |
| 04:16.32 | ecstatix | well, the kernel howto at tldp.org is nice. i followed that |
| 04:16.33 | dselect-weenie | yeah ... "deborphan" looks at libraries and sees if anything uses them |
| 04:16.43 | cafuego | and bloody icq.com seems dead |
| 04:16.45 | rahul | ryuujin: what you're saying is that it's impossible for you to know how to compile a kernel. |
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| 04:16.46 | zakame | dselect-weenie : oops, sorry i asked, i did an apt-cache... |
| 04:16.48 | ecstatix | rahul: the danish debian guide is the Debian Guide in Danish |
| 04:16.51 | ecstatix | bleh |
| 04:16.57 | zakame | dselect-weenie : thanks! |
| 04:17.04 | ecstatix | i guess the Debian Guide is about as official as you can get |
| 04:17.15 | rahul | ecstatix: well, I have no idea what that is, anyway. I just use make-kpkg and make menuconfig before that to configure the kernel. |
| 04:17.17 | ryuujin | rahul no, and you just said i don't read things? what's wrong in using a guide? does that make me a frikking newbie?! |
| 04:17.32 | rahul | ryuujin: what does being a newbie have to do with anything? |
| 04:17.43 | ryuujin | gravity a guide for debian...? |
| 04:17.47 | zakame | ok, here's another question: can i setup exim 3.35 not to use a smarthost but to send emails all by itself, on a dialup system? |
| 04:17.48 | asg | gravity: 'Aardapfelsnacks (TM)' |
| 04:17.52 | gravity | ryuujin: There isn't one, really. |
| 04:17.53 | rahul | ryuujin: whether you're a newbie or not, you still have to read what it is you're doing. |
| 04:18.01 | ryuujin | gravity www.debianguiden.dk |
| 04:18.11 | malloc_ | zakame, yep |
| 04:18.18 | gravity | ryuujin: There's tons of different guides in English. There's an install guide, an admin guide, faq, quickref, but no one "guide" |
| 04:18.18 | ryuujin | pitty if you don't understand danish. |
| 04:18.21 | gravity | Which is why I wonder |
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| 04:18.30 | rahul | ryuujin: but you just need to install the packages and use them, really |
| 04:18.34 | cafuego | asg: Please choose a single language when making up words, don't mix & match. |
| 04:18.54 | ryuujin | rahul nevermind me asking, this leads nowhere. |
| 04:18.57 | wethion | manual that is... |
| 04:19.00 | asg | cafuego: oh, but it is so much fun |
| 04:19.02 | rahul | ryuujin: just do it, ffs. |
| 04:19.06 | zakame | malloc_ : can you point me to a howto on that? :-) |
| 04:19.15 | ryuujin | rahul which packages? |
| 04:19.18 | rahul | ryuujin: if it's not already doing what you want it to do, you'll need to recompile |
| 04:19.18 | betrieb | hello on X my mouse pointer is just a "black box like" thing who can i get a mouse arrow? |
| 04:19.21 | malloc_ | cafuego, all made up words come from the same language which is none |
| 04:19.21 | gravity | I don't think this guide exists in English |
| 04:19.24 | d3nm3n | ryuujin: you can copy your current (working) kernel conf into the new kernel dir then type 'make oldconfig' so you dont have to do everything by yourself |
| 04:19.27 | cafuego | asg: No, rewally. |
| 04:19.35 | asg | cafuego: touche |
| 04:19.44 | rahul | ryuujin: the kernel source, whether from debian or kernel.org, kernel-package, and libncurses5-dev |
| 04:19.59 | malloc_ | zakame, just set it up like a normal SMTP server, it should queue until you connect to the internet |
| 04:20.16 | rahul | d3nm3n: he'd want to remove features, not just see the ones added since that version |
| 04:20.29 | ryuujin | rahul it'll take me ages to download those things.. |
| 04:20.29 | ecstatix | gravity: care to do a apt-cache search debian-guide? |
| 04:20.32 | zakame | malloc_ : set it up in eximconf? |
| 04:20.39 | malloc_ | yeah |
| 04:20.52 | rahul | ryuujin: and it'll take you even longer to code your driver from scratch |
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| 04:21.06 | ryuujin | rahul i can't argue with that. |
| 04:21.19 | c5 | when i shall intall my network card. What shall i have for command-line argument? |
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| 04:21.22 | malloc_ | i think there is a specific option for setting up a dial up system to flush the queue upon connection |
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| 04:21.33 | dselect-weenie | well ... time for me to head to the Linux box again |
| 04:21.44 | rahul | c5: what command line? just load the driver and read "man interfaces" |
| 04:21.52 | asg | c5: ifup eth0 (after configuring the interface by reading 'man 5 interfaces') |
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| 04:22.02 | rahul | c5: that is, either use modconf to load the driver or compile it into the kernel to begin with |
| 04:22.17 | ryuujin | rahul which kernel would you surgest i choose? |
| 04:22.18 | ecstatix | what is a memory technology device - MTD? |
| 04:22.19 | tommyj | hello, I have a problem. I've got this external USB2 hard-drive. It's mouned using scsi emulation (don't ask me why..) and is formated to reiserfs. Now, this has happend twice now, pretty close in time; Suddenly the hard-drive is not responding from my computer. Every process trying to access it hangs and it's impossible to kill those processes or unmount the hard-drive properly (umount -f works partly) because the drive is busy. I got a message in all terminal |
| 04:22.26 | tommyj | and then a stack trace... |
| 04:22.29 | rahul | ryuujin: 2.4.23 or whatever that new 2.4 one was |
| 04:22.45 | rahul | ecstatix: a thing that can store stuff |
| 04:22.54 | bancus | where is the dpkg cache file lock? |
| 04:22.54 | zakame | malloc_ : trying it out... |
| 04:23.02 | rahul | ecstatix: a "device" with the "technology" to have a "memory" :) |
| 04:23.04 | LoRez | tommyj: you use usb mass storage with usb drives. it makes them look like scsi drives. |
| 04:23.29 | ecstatix | rahul: ok. know of a good book where i can learn about the linux kernel/linux programming etc? I know little C and C++. |
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| 04:23.40 | tommyj | this is really wierd, because I had not done anything special to the drive when this happened. I tried now to reboot the computer without shutting down the external hard-drive and the drive mounts perfectly, so it seems it's something in my system causing the problem... |
| 04:23.45 | ecstatix | rahul: or atleast good places to start |
| 04:23.46 | bob2 | ecstatix: "linxu device drivers", google for it. |
| 04:23.49 | bob2 | ecstatix: (free online). |
| 04:23.51 | rahul | ecstatix: beats me. I don't usually learn this kind of stuff from books. |
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| 04:23.51 | tommyj | any help? please? |
| 04:23.53 | bob2 | ecstatix: and www.kernelnewbies.org |
| 04:24.00 | tommyj | LoRez: ok... thanks |
| 04:24.10 | rahul | ecstatix: I tend to learn basic prinicples from books |
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| 04:24.12 | d3nm3n | tommyj: you should enable verbose usb error reporting in your kernel conf |
| 04:24.16 | ecstatix | bob2: yes, the device drivers book is at tldp.org. thought it was too much for me |
| 04:24.33 | ecstatix | rahul: well, i am at the below the basic principles level right now |
| 04:24.34 | tommyj | d3nm3n: recompile kernel? do you want to see the logs? |
| 04:24.36 | rahul | ecstatix: any books on OS design should be good for learning unix kernel design, because that's all they tend to talk about |
| 04:24.43 | ecstatix | rahul: ok |
| 04:25.00 | cafuego | ~lart k3b |
| 04:25.02 | rahul | as far as academic OS research goes, unix is all that exists :) |
| 04:25.09 | bob2 | ~lart people who use k3b |
| 04:25.15 | bob2 | rahul: MICROKERNELS. |
| 04:25.23 | rahul | bob2: bah, big diff. |
| 04:25.29 | ecstatix | its only after i installed linux that i am interested in how the comp works rather than doing something spiffy with it |
| 04:25.33 | cafuego | bob2: I'm having a perv at it, I'm not USING it. |
| 04:25.35 | gravity | k3b isn't that bad |
| 04:25.37 | rahul | bob2: now you have unix underneath the kernel, too |
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| 04:25.42 | gravity | Although arson is way better |
| 04:25.43 | d3nm3n | tommyj: iam no usb expert but error message can get you closer to a solution :) |
| 04:25.57 | jstevens | new install, machine has magic filter installed by default. copied an /etc/printcap from another working print-server, but cannot print from this new server to the printer. any Ideas? |
| 04:25.58 | ecstatix | k3b is weird. it shows my ide writer 10 times! |
| 04:25.59 | Demosthenes | ok people, how about a way to insert a "stub" package, ie, tell apt that somethings already installed when it isn't? |
| 04:26.04 | tommyj | d3nm3n: ok, I'll put them online. 2 seconds |
| 04:26.05 | rahul | really, even MS Windows is so close to unix, it's sad. |
| 04:26.14 | Demosthenes | jstevens: what print software? |
| 04:26.19 | bob2 | Demosthenes: equivs. |
| 04:26.22 | bob2 | Demosthenes: but why? |
| 04:26.25 | asg | Demosthenes: equivs |
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| 04:26.31 | gravity | Demosthenes: That just sounds... bad... |
| 04:26.42 | jstevens | Demosthenes: magicfilter / lpr |
| 04:26.48 | asg | gravity: useful for Sun JVM's etc... |
| 04:27.03 | gravity | asg: Ah, I always just use the blackdown debs |
| 04:27.07 | asg | rahul: don't make me Xenixsmite you ;) |
| 04:27.10 | rahul | asg: um, use alien for that |
| 04:27.11 | cef | zakame: Re: Exim look at the -q option in the man page. it's all about how it handles queued mail. You can run the server without a queue, and manually run 'exim -q' to process the queue (which could be run from interfaces or if-up.d scipts perhaps) |
| 04:27.13 | Demosthenes | jstevens: have you verified standard lpr works outside magic filter? |
| 04:27.19 | rahul | asg: heh. |
| 04:27.27 | Demosthenes | bob2: so, tell me more about equivs ;] |
| 04:27.31 | jstevens | Demosthenes: I see the print job show up in the spool directory, but it just hangs there |
| 04:27.34 | asg | rahul: use alien for what? |
| 04:27.37 | Demosthenes | asg: part of my scheme to take over the world. |
| 04:27.40 | rahul | asg: sun's jvm |
| 04:27.44 | ryuujin | i'm fucked now.. |
| 04:27.45 | bob2 | Demosthenes: install and read the README. |
| 04:27.47 | bob2 | Demosthenes: but why? |
| 04:27.51 | Demosthenes | jstevens: communication problem with the printer? |
| 04:28.00 | asg | rahul: nah, I'd rather just d/l them and use equivs ;) |
| 04:28.02 | cef | s/without a queue/without queue processing/ |
| 04:28.04 | ecstatix | bob2: kernelnewbies is nice, thanks! |
| 04:28.04 | fearl | asg: grrr, apt-cache show alien and tell me how it might come in handy |
| 04:28.06 | rahul | asg: erm. bad idea. |
| 04:28.07 | zakame | cef : thanks, looking it up ;) |
| 04:28.14 | ryuujin | how do you spell anonumous? (if that isn't spelled right) |
| 04:28.17 | Demosthenes | bob2: looking for the equivalent of gentoo's "stub" packages to get around forced dependencies. |
| 04:28.18 | rahul | asg: alien restructures them to work better in debian |
| 04:28.21 | rahul | anonymous |
| 04:28.24 | ecstatix | ryuujin: anonymous |
| 04:28.27 | fearl | ryuujin: anonymous |
| 04:28.30 | jstevens | Demosthenes: kinda hesitant on saying that. it's a Cat5 connection. and the other box is printing fine as I type |
| 04:28.32 | asg | rahul: never been a problem for me (I keep them in /usr/local though) |
| 04:28.35 | bancus | eponymous |
| 04:28.37 | bancus | =P |
| 04:28.38 | rahul | asg: eew |
| 04:28.45 | oneiFreak | ryuujin: anonymous |
| 04:28.50 | Demosthenes | jstevens: yes, but can the box failing to print ping the printer? |
| 04:29.05 | asg | rahul: would rather keep Java completely out of Debian's sight |
| 04:29.11 | Demosthenes | jstevens: basically start from the printer, and work your way back to the software |
| 04:29.23 | bob2 | Demosthenes: that's a REALLY REALLY bad idea. |
| 04:29.31 | Demosthenes | bob2: i agree. |
| 04:29.39 | rahul | asg: what's the point? so that other packages can't find the jvm properly? |
| 04:30.00 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'm pushing the limits of the package manager to learn the darn thing. |
| 04:30.05 | tommyj | d3nm3n: http://farsite.deworks.net/pub/logs/ |
| 04:30.12 | Demosthenes | bob2: gimme some credit, i'm looking at moving my servers over from gentoo to debian. ;] |
| 04:30.13 | jstevens | Demosthenes: it pings fine |
| 04:30.16 | bob2 | Demosthenes: Debain very, very rarely has non-essential dependencies. |
| 04:30.16 | tommyj | d3nm3n: pm? |
| 04:30.25 | bob2 | Demosthenes: what are you forcing in this case? |
| 04:30.27 | rahul | asg: browsers won't find it properly |
| 04:30.30 | ecstatix | why do people seem to prefer gnome or kde? is it because some of the other desktop packages are less marketed? |
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| 04:30.36 | Demosthenes | bob2: i've done LFS many times, the only diffs between distros is the admin tools... |
| 04:30.37 | gravity | Demosthenes: If the packages are non-essential, it's a bug and should be filed accordingly |
| 04:30.45 | asg | rahul: no, we use specific versions for certain software; the equivs was originally used for tomcat |
| 04:30.53 | Demosthenes | gravity: nothing yet. ;] |
| 04:30.58 | bob2 | ecstatix: they're designed for newbies. |
| 04:30.59 | gravity | Good to hear :-) |
| 04:31.14 | Demosthenes | bob2: still back on the emacs thing. found a problem, have to know the solution. |
| 04:31.37 | ryuujin | rahul gonna take ~1100 seconds.. beats me what that is in human time. |
| 04:31.40 | ryuujin | god i hate lynx |
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| 04:32.07 | jstevens | Demosthenes: I got it.. had to manually start lpd... thanks! |
| 04:32.09 | bob2 | Demosthenes: which bug #? |
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| 04:32.11 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'm fully aware i can bork either the package i'm installing, or the package management. ;] |
| 04:32.25 | Justin__ | ryuujin: who is forcing you to use lynx? |
| 04:32.26 | rahul | asg: well, that has nothing to do with a typical user of software. |
| 04:32.28 | ecstatix | bob2: hmm, but xfce is just soooo much better, as is icewm. and they work beautifully and you can use kde and gtk apps there too |
| 04:32.37 | ryuujin | Justin__ satan himself. |
| 04:32.47 | Demosthenes | bob2: same thing i asked last night. i'm trying to install emacs on base woody and sticking to the stable tree. emacs21 on there requires X, which I don't want on my servers. |
| 04:32.55 | asg | rahul: yeah, you're probably right |
| 04:32.59 | tommyj | d3nm3n: this is exacly the same errors I'm getting: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0307.1/1083.html |
| 04:33.09 | bob2 | ecstatix: same with every window manager. |
| 04:33.10 | ecstatix | ryuujin: try and install elinks or w3m, they are easier to use than lynx |
| 04:33.14 | Demosthenes | bob2: yes its silly. i just don't take "no" or "it can't do that" well. |
| 04:33.30 | bob2 | Demosthenes: it won't work if you fake your X libraries. |
| 04:33.30 | ryuujin | ecstatix nah, nevermind |
| 04:33.31 | ecstatix | bob2: ok. i guess its everyone's preference. |
| 04:33.33 | bob2 | Demosthenes: it won't even run. |
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| 04:33.59 | d3nm3n | tommyj:cant help you with that |
| 04:34.08 | bob2 | Demosthenes: the only solution which will work is to build it without X support. |
| 04:34.19 | bob2 | Demosthenes: which is done for you in sarge and sid. |
| 04:34.20 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'd think it'd stand a chance of running with the --no-window parameter. |
| 04:34.23 | oneiFreak | Demosthenes: install "emacs21-nox" |
| 04:34.25 | bob2 | Demosthenes: no. |
| 04:34.29 | Demosthenes | oneiFreak: not in stable. |
| 04:34.30 | bob2 | oneiFreak: not in woody. |
| 04:34.44 | bob2 | Demosthenes: it is built against the X libraries. |
| 04:34.46 | oneiFreak | Demosthenes & bob2: sorry for not seeing that. |
| 04:34.49 | bob2 | Demosthenes: if they aren't there, it won't run. |
| 04:34.58 | ryuujin | bob2 if you find that site with xfree86 4.3 debian repository on, you're more than welcome to tell me.. i really need my gui :( |
| 04:35.04 | asg | Demosthenes: you're going to run emacs bloat and you're worried about xlibs installed? |
| 04:35.12 | Demosthenes | asg: X on a server?!? ;] |
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| 04:35.18 | asg | Demosthenes: X libs, not X |
| 04:35.22 | bob2 | it's the client libraries. |
| 04:35.26 | bob2 | !info xlibs woody |
| 04:35.31 | dpkg | xlibs: (X Window System client libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.1.0-16woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 1195 kB, Installed size: 4976 kB |
| 04:35.35 | bob2 | 1.2MB. |
| 04:35.38 | bob2 | !info emacs21 |
| 04:35.41 | dpkg | emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.3+1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5840 kB |
| 04:35.45 | bob2 | 2MB. |
| 04:35.48 | tommyj | d3nm3n: k, thanks for reply anyway |
| 04:36.09 | ken | can anyone tell me if I ned java to run limewire? |
| 04:36.13 | tommyj | can anyone help me with my USB-disk I/O errors and hangups? |
| 04:36.14 | Demosthenes | bob2: i appreciate the input. it may seem foolish, but i'll try it til i break it. ;] |
| 04:36.17 | gravity | ken: Yes, you do |
| 04:36.25 | rahul | ryuujin: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 04:36.31 | ken | thanx |
| 04:36.38 | bob2 | Demosthenes: you have to rebuild it, it will NOT even run if you don't. |
| 04:36.49 | ryuujin | rahul tried that; i cannot load anything but blackbox/fluxbox with that |
| 04:36.59 | bob2 | Demosthenes: but have fun... |
| 04:37.00 | cafuego | That's not right, I'm sure emacs is > 500mb. |
| 04:37.00 | Demosthenes | bob2: out of curiosity, can you use portions of unstable for specific packages? |
| 04:37.09 | bob2 | Demosthenes: yes. |
| 04:37.20 | bob2 | Demosthenes: but it will upgarde all the base stuff, so you might as well just use unstable. |
| 04:37.33 | bob2 | Demosthenes: if you really, really, really don't want to install xlibs, rebuild emacs from source without X support. |
| 04:37.35 | Demosthenes | bob2: forces a base upgrade? |
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| 04:37.48 | bob2 | Demosthenes: no |
| 04:37.57 | bob2 | Demosthenes: it Depends on at least sid's libc6, which will pull in other stuff. |
| 04:38.04 | Demosthenes | bob2: actually, i'm looking down the road here... i tend to prefer older tested base on my servers, but i might want new things like nmap and nessus current... |
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| 04:38.32 | ken | gravity: I tried to install it, but I'm new to Debian and I guess you know what I mean, I can't seem to install an rpm |
| 04:38.40 | bob2 | Demosthenes: then you rebuild them for woody. |
| 04:38.46 | bob2 | ken: don't install an rpm. |
| 04:38.53 | ken | ? |
| 04:38.53 | tommyj | what is famd? |
| 04:38.56 | bob2 | Demosthenes: www.apt-get.org, see if someone else has done it for you. |
| 04:38.59 | gravity | ken: Debian doesn't use rpm's. We try and avoid them at all cost |
| 04:39.00 | bob2 | ken: don't install rpms on Debian. |
| 04:39.00 | ecstatix | ken you ideally want to install a .deb, or at worst install from src. |
| 04:39.02 | bob2 | ken: ever. |
| 04:39.03 | ryuujin | rahul but it beats not having a gui at all, i'm going for it, just after downloading the kernel image and mozilla firebird |
| 04:39.03 | gravity | ken: We use .deb's |
| 04:39.03 | Demosthenes | bob2: *nod* ok. |
| 04:39.18 | ecstatix | tommyj: checks for file changes i think. |
| 04:39.23 | ken | ok I'll try it thanx again |
| 04:39.31 | ecstatix | tommyj: some sort of security daemon |
| 04:39.37 | bob2 | no |
| 04:39.42 | Demosthenes | bob2: can you tell i'm a control freak and minimalist? LFS and Gentoo have catered to that. debian's the first binary distro i've willingly considered in years. ;] |
| 04:39.42 | bob2 | fam = file alteration monitor. |
| 04:39.46 | tommyj | ecstatix: hmm, why does it have one of my files open all the time? |
| 04:39.50 | d3nm3n | tommyj: have you researched return code = 8000000 what stands for? |
| 04:39.53 | bob2 | it notifeies programs when a file or directory changes. |
| 04:39.57 | ryuujin | would ken try installing an rpm again? |
| 04:40.06 | tommyj | d3nm3n: no, where could I do that? |
| 04:40.15 | tommyj | d3nm3n: google? |
| 04:40.20 | ken | I guess not |
| 04:40.21 | bob2 | Demosthenes: it can easily be bent to your will. |
| 04:40.30 | ecstatix | bob2: what does it do? check file change times and logs the changes as well? |
| 04:40.38 | d3nm3n | tommyj: wasnt there a list of return code's in your kernel package? |
| 04:40.42 | Demosthenes | bob2: most of its for servers, i'm impressed with the backlevel support. trying to selectively patch/update an out of date LFS or Gentoo box is hell. |
| 04:40.48 | tommyj | d3nm3n: don't know, where? |
| 04:40.50 | Demosthenes | ecstatix: kernel interface. |
| 04:40.50 | d3nm3n | tommyj: i renember some of them are listed |
| 04:40.54 | bob2 | ecstatix: no, it's so things like filemanagers can redraw the screen when you delete a file. |
| 04:40.58 | tommyj | d3nm3n: ok, in what files? |
| 04:41.02 | bob2 | ecstatix: aide or tripwire keep tracks of changes. |
| 04:41.08 | oneiFreak | ecstatix: man famd |
| 04:41.09 | ecstatix | bob2: okie |
| 04:41.18 | d3nm3n | tommyj:docs of your kernel src package |
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| 04:41.30 | ecstatix | oneiFreak: can i see manpages of stuff i removed? |
| 04:41.31 | bob2 | ecstatix: you could potentially use it to watch for intrustions or whatever, I guess. |
| 04:41.37 | tommyj | d3nm3n: ok, thanks, I'll look |
| 04:41.44 | ecstatix | bob2: yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 04:41.47 | ryuujin | bob2 i'll be able to boot with append="hda=dma" if i typed 'lilo' and it didn't complain, right? (i hate having to go through rescue) |
| 04:41.52 | oneiFreak | ecstatix: google it :P |
| 04:42.05 | wethion | missed => misses |
| 04:42.23 | ecstatix | oneiFreak: sorry, i think its still installed, its manpage opened :) i updated rc.d to remove it |
| 04:42.34 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 04:42.35 | bob2 | ryuujin: your kernel may or may not like it. |
| 04:42.39 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 04:42.44 | bob2 | :-) |
| 04:43.11 | gravity | !hug helix |
| 04:43.18 | ryuujin | bob2 my kernel handles 'hdparm -d1 /dev/hda' just fine.. |
| 04:43.34 | wethion | helix: do you have a twin called double? :> |
| 04:43.35 | bob2 | ryuujin: ok... |
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| 04:43.55 | helix | wethion: gosh, you're clever |
| 04:44.21 | ryuujin | bob2 shouldn't that provide enough proof that it'll work? or is that just luck? |
| 04:44.27 | bob2 | !+xhost+ |
| 04:44.28 | wethion | helix: I pride myself on the razor-like edge of my wit. ;0 |
| 04:44.36 | bob2 | !+xhost_+localhost |
| 04:44.44 | helix | wethion: that's good. we all need to believe in something, even if it doesn't exist |
| 04:44.48 | bob2 | !listkeys overfiend |
| 04:44.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'overfiend' by key (2 shown): overfiend ;; overfiendsphallus. |
| 04:44.52 | bob2 | ryuujin: no idea. |
| 04:44.57 | helix | ew |
| 04:44.59 | gravity | !overfiendsphallus |
| 04:44.59 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 04:45.02 | bob2 | !listvals overfiend |
| 04:45.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'overfiend' by value (7 shown): demonishi ;; thinks that ;; xhost_+ ;; topic-pi ;; tinc ;; xhost +localhost ;; xf4. |
| 04:45.08 | gravity | Wow. That's oooold |
| 04:45.10 | ryuujin | bob2 i'll just have to try after downloading firebird. |
| 04:45.15 | bob2 | !xhost +localhost |
| 04:45.15 | dpkg | [xhost +localhost] <Overfiend> xhost +localhost should only be done by people who would paint their hostname and root password on an interstate overpass. |
| 04:45.26 | gravity | Haha |
| 04:45.37 | tommyj | d3nm3n: can't find it |
| 04:45.48 | ryuujin | and who wouldn't want to do that? |
| 04:46.49 | ecstatix | ok, a netstat -tualp shows 5 entries, 2 kopete(msn and yahoo), 1 xchat, 1 ssh and one udp. the udp entry is udp 0 0 *:bootpc *:* what's the udp thing for? i am on a DHCP Lan |
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| 04:48.02 | bpence | Does anyone know of a package for playing video files (.mpg, etc)? |
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| 04:48.17 | gravity | bpence: xine |
| 04:48.28 | gravity | bpence: Also mplayer, but you have to do a bit more work to get it |
| 04:48.28 | wethion | bpence: mplayer |
| 04:49.06 | bpence | gravity: is xine the package name? |
| 04:49.12 | ecstatix | bpence: yes |
| 04:49.16 | gravity | bpence: I think so. Or xine-ui |
| 04:49.26 | Justin__ | !+xine-ui |
| 04:49.26 | dpkg | xine-ui is probably not-very-good(tm) try sinek, totem, or gnome-xine instead |
| 04:49.42 | gravity | xine-ui isn't too bad |
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| 04:49.45 | Justin__ | yes it is, it's horrible |
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| 04:49.58 | bpence | great, thanks for the help. |
| 04:49.59 | cafuego | works fine here |
| 04:49.59 | ecstatix | wth is sinek? |
| 04:50.09 | wethion | is there a jigdo like tool for apt-get? |
| 04:50.19 | Justin__ | works fine until you try and use it:-) |
| 04:50.32 | cafuego | Justin__: works fine as in "it displays dvds just fine" |
| 04:50.43 | Justin__ | cafuego: thats not xine-ui, thats libxine |
| 04:50.52 | ecstatix | heh |
| 04:51.26 | Justin__ | xine-ui is the shitty "skinnable" xlib gui |
| 04:51.41 | cafuego | Yes, that displays and works fine too. |
| 04:51.42 | gravity | I didn't love totem myself |
| 04:51.59 | gravity | I wish there was something I liked better than mplayer though |
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| 04:52.14 | Justin__ | cafuego: except when you try to use the prefernces, or the playlist, or the file browser... |
| 04:52.21 | ecstatix | hmm, totem looks like quick time |
| 04:52.24 | cafuego | mplayer made a fuss when it got to > 2Gb in the video file. |
| 04:52.25 | wethion | that is to say a util that'll try and measure the available bandwidth of a selection of debian mirrors to determine which has the most room to spare for upgrades? |
| 04:52.35 | cafuego | Justin__: Like I said, it _works_ _fine_ _here_ |
| 04:52.40 | ecstatix | wethion: apt-get install apt-spy |
| 04:52.50 | Justin__ | cafuego: because you are likely starting it, then hiding the gui |
| 04:52.54 | wethion | ecstatix: thanks much. |
| 04:53.09 | cafuego | no Justin__, that stayed open. |
| 04:54.01 | cafuego | streuner: awake? |
| 04:54.11 | Penguin32 | hey folks, I just did an install and my usb mouse is not working in X, having a look at dmesg it appears something funny is happening in the USB setup, can someone assist me to resolve this please |
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| 04:54.44 | yaman | i could have sworn there was a kernel-source-2.4.23 package that i installed on my other system before formatting |
| 04:54.49 | crash | Penguin32, do /msg apt usbmouse |
| 04:54.59 | cafuego | yaman: In testing/unstable probably. |
| 04:55.08 | crash | Penguin32, in the irc channel |
| 04:55.12 | ryuujin | When upgrading xfree86 to experimental, is there anything more required than the apt update? (like nvidia driver update et cetera)? |
| 04:55.21 | bob2 | of course. |
| 04:55.26 | Penguin32 | crash: as far as I can make out from dmesg it appears to be trying to set things up more than once, never seen anything like it before |
| 04:55.30 | ecstatix | yes |
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| 04:55.47 | yaman | cafuego: i have testing/unstable on |
| 04:55.51 | ryuujin | okay.. well, i tried it before.. shouldn't be that hard |
| 04:56.09 | wethion | ecstatix: apt-spy = *nice* thanks again. |
| 04:56.14 | somiaj | yaman: it doesn't apear to me that the source for 2.4.23 has been patched and packaged. |
| 04:56.21 | cafuego | ryuujin: You don't need an experimental xfree86 with your scary binary-only driver |
| 04:56.37 | Penguin32 | crash: said, no idea |
| 04:56.45 | ryuujin | cafuego huh? |
| 04:56.58 | Justin__ | !tell Penguin32 about usbmouse |
| 04:57.02 | cafuego | ryuujin: Do you use the nvidia driver for your gfx card? |
| 04:57.11 | Desiac | anyone have anyideas how i could be getting collisions on my eth1 if it connects to a switch, and there are only 2 computers connected to the switch, eth1 and a client |
| 04:57.15 | somiaj | yaman: you'll have to grab the source from kernel.org if you want 2.4.23 |
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| 04:57.30 | somiaj | Desiac: bad switch? |
| 04:57.33 | ryuujin | cafuego yes, it's a nvidia geforce fx5600 |
| 04:57.37 | crash | Penguin32, that used to work :D |
| 04:57.45 | Desiac | somiaj: yeah thats all i can think |
| 04:57.49 | ecstatix | somiaj: there is a kernel-image-2.4.23 |
| 04:57.52 | cafuego | ryuujin: Why would you bother going to an experimental xfree86 version then? |
| 04:57.58 | wethion | Desiac: have you used a sniffer to see if you have a screamer? |
| 04:58.14 | yaman | somiaj: was it taken out of the apt repositories? |
| 04:58.28 | yaman | somiaj: i have it on my other system right now.. |
| 04:58.33 | ryuujin | cafuego because my gfx card is only supported in 4.3 and none else. |
| 04:58.48 | Penguin32 | crash: I have installed it before, no problems, but something appears to be different this time, I don't thing you people are understanding what I am saying, the bootup does not appear to be normal for some reason |
| 04:58.52 | cafuego | ryuujin: No, your card is supported by the proprietary driver. |
| 04:58.54 | wethion | Desiac: dunno if it'll work, but that's what I'd try. Use Ethereal to see if you have a node just spewing packets. |
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| 04:59.10 | pinguinox | hi |
| 04:59.13 | yaman | theres a kernel-source-2.4.23 somewhere... i know it |
| 04:59.17 | crash | Penguin32, did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 04:59.19 | somiaj | yaman: maybe I haven't updated, but I have seen them get the source package out and I do know it takes a little while for them to get it patched, tested and then released as a package. |
| 04:59.24 | Desiac | wethion: not sure wat u mean, i started ethereal and sniffied for a cpl of miniutes while the collisions were occuring, couldn't see anything out of the ordinary |
| 04:59.37 | ryuujin | cafuego huh? use words that i understand 6.59am :p |
| 04:59.42 | pinguinox | does anybody know if I can run debian on an IBM multiprocessor server?? |
| 04:59.44 | pinguinox | does anybody know if I can run debian on an IBM multiprocessor server?? |
| 05:00.00 | pinguinox | please send private |
| 05:00.06 | ryuujin | omg... |
| 05:00.07 | bob2 | pinguinox: stop it. |
| 05:00.12 | gravity | Multiprocessor, multiquestion, multipunctuation. |
| 05:00.16 | ryuujin | methinks me better hide. |
| 05:00.16 | bob2 | pinguinox: www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 05:00.29 | ryuujin | yaay! |
| 05:00.31 | pinguinox | thanks! |
| 05:00.33 | ryuujin | and fucking yaay! |
| 05:00.34 | Penguin32 | crash: no I didn't, I am far from an expert on the USB drivers, but the output seems to suggest that its trying to load the drivers twice, I have no idea how that could happen from an install, but that appears to be the case. So I am assuming the problem is caused by some sort of driver conflict |
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| 05:00.55 | wethion | Desiac: occasionally, a NIC or some other network hardware will get broke and just spew packets constantly. causes all sorts of havoc. |
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| 05:01.08 | somiaj | yaman: ahh there I see it now, it must have been put up in the last few days, maybe try a different mirror if it hasn't made it around to all of them yet. |
| 05:01.29 | crash | Penguin32, is this a new system ? |
| 05:01.43 | ryuujin | My xfree86 is finaly working! \^_^/ |
| 05:01.48 | ecstatix | congrats |
| 05:01.55 | wethion | Yay, my upgrade is finally done downloading. Christ, I feel like I have to shave that took so long. |
| 05:01.55 | ecstatix | that was a fast download |
| 05:01.57 | Penguin32 | crash: just a new install, my hard drive died, had to buy a new one and I have just finished reinstalling the system |
| 05:02.07 | yaman | somiaj: is there a way to check what repository a certain package is available from(on the computer that has it) |
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| 05:02.24 | ecstatix | less packages.gz on that server |
| 05:02.27 | gravity | ryuujin: Congratulations |
| 05:02.29 | ryuujin | bob2 thanks for all the time you took to help me, even if it didn't excatly solve my problem, i certainly got some clues to what to do next time when i'm sick of experimental :) |
| 05:02.33 | ryuujin | gravity ty~ |
| 05:02.33 | paul | asg: ok, just did "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it finished out cleanly, but.. |
| 05:02.34 | crash | Penguin32, ahh try unplugging your usb mouse and plugging it in again |
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| 05:02.56 | bob2 | ryuujin: heh, np, glad it's working. |
| 05:03.03 | paul | asg: upon doing apt-get upgrade again, its showing 374 packages not upgraded..? |
| 05:03.05 | bob2 | Penguin32: can you paste the output to #flood? |
| 05:03.14 | Penguin32 | bob2: will do |
| 05:03.18 | Desiac | wethion: yeah just googled it, thanks mate :) |
| 05:03.18 | ryuujin | bob2 upgrading gnome now, so i hope it's going to worh there too |
| 05:03.25 | ryuujin | 2.4 would be cool |
| 05:03.52 | ryuujin | with mozilla firebird and my own xchat build |
| 05:04.03 | ryuujin | ..and maybe xmame. |
| 05:04.08 | ecstatix | Is there a reason why xchat 2.0.6 is not available as a .deb? |
| 05:04.15 | crash | time for bed nightall |
| 05:04.27 | paul | i guess asg is gone.. |
| 05:04.29 | bob2 | !+info xchat sid |
| 05:04.30 | ryuujin | ecstatix well, it was, but then the dcc bug was found and it was removed. |
| 05:04.31 | zignig | ryuujin: don't do it ! , you waste years playing those old game , ( memble mumble arkanoid ) |
| 05:04.32 | Justin__ | ecstatix: because 2.0.5 is the latest? |
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| 05:04.38 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 234 kB, Installed size: 628 kB |
| 05:04.38 | somiaj | ecstatix: because irssi-text is better...(: |
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| 05:04.52 | ryuujin | zignig been there, done that, still doing it. :p |
| 05:04.54 | paul | anyone know why it is showing 374 packages not upgraded after doing a stable->testing dist-upgrade? |
| 05:04.54 | ecstatix | ryuujin: ok |
| 05:04.59 | GomoX | hi |
| 05:05.04 | ryuujin | zignig you're just envious |
| 05:05.05 | zignig | ryuujin: hehehehe , have you got r-type or silkworm ? |
| 05:05.06 | Justin__ | paul: because you did an upgrade not a dist upgrade |
| 05:05.12 | bob2 | paul: only you can know that. |
| 05:05.12 | ecstatix | Justin__: heh, 2.0.6 is the latest, but it has to be patched |
| 05:05.20 | ryuujin | zignig both, and saint dragon |
| 05:05.23 | bob2 | ecstatix: guess the maintainer hasn't bothered tet. |
| 05:05.31 | mwilson | paul: Uh, perhaps because 374 packages DIDN'T CHANGE? |
| 05:05.36 | Penguin32 | bob2: can't unfortuantly the old mouse I am using won't let me do it |
| 05:05.37 | paul | Justin__: i followed the instructions given by dpkg |
| 05:05.50 | mwilson | paul: Or do you require that every single package you have installed must change? |
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| 05:05.58 | GomoX | if i simply edit /etc/passwd to change a username to some other one, will i run into trouble with file ownerships, permissions or just editing /etc/group will be fine? |
| 05:06.00 | paul | mwilson: The following packages have been kept back |
| 05:06.00 | paul | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.04 | paul | etc.. |
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| 05:06.09 | Justin__ | 00:01 < paul> asg: upon doing apt-get upgrade again |
| 05:06.14 | Penguin32 | there are two section on finding the usb hub, which is nuts |
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| 05:06.28 | bob2 | GomoX: the username will be encoded in lots of places. |
| 05:06.43 | yaman | somiaj: that did it, thanks |
| 05:06.46 | ryuujin | zignig got ~5000 roms.. |
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| 05:07.09 | Penguin32 | infact I just noticed the first one is saying there are 4 ports, but in fact there are only 2 |
| 05:07.11 | RainbowW | holy crap. X and gnome2.4 started on the FIRST TRY. i'm impressed. very, very impressed. |
| 05:07.37 | ecstatix | these commands like vipw, are they special ones or just a link to a script that does vi /etc/passwd? |
| 05:07.37 | cafuego | oh dear |
| 05:07.41 | zignig | RainbowW: woot , well done ;) |
| 05:07.42 | paul | mwilson: hmm, i actually did upgrade rather than dist-upgrade. |
| 05:07.48 | GomoX | i just added this user, AFAIK all i changed was /etc/sudoers and i added the user to a few groups. I can edit those two, but - the real question is - are the file owners saved as UIDs or as usernames in ext2/3? |
| 05:07.58 | theWuN | i am trying to use grep on a file, but i think theres something goin rong somewhere. In the file, there are three lines. 123,abc,and 1a2b. But when i use cat file | grep [^1], I get all three lines. Whats goin on here? |
| 05:07.59 | bob2 | GomoX: uid |
| 05:08.01 | cafuego | this is being h3x suxx0rz |
| 05:08.08 | bob2 | GomoX: but other files include usernames. |
| 05:08.22 | Penguin32 | ok, its loading the kernel driver for a usb keyboard, but I have not got a usb keyboard, could this be the problem? |
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| 05:08.36 | JimButton | theWuN: you grep for a character which is not '1' |
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| 05:08.49 | JimButton | theWuN: and all three lines contain at least one of them |
| 05:08.59 | theWuN | JimButton: not the line that is abc |
| 05:09.05 | JimButton | theWuN: yes, it does |
| 05:09.10 | theWuN | what is it? |
| 05:09.12 | JimButton | theWuN: for example the 'a' matches |
| 05:09.18 | JimButton | theWuN: a is not 1 |
| 05:09.18 | theWuN | 0_o |
| 05:09.24 | theWuN | OOHH |
| 05:09.26 | theWuN | right! |
| 05:09.27 | GomoX | bob2: like what? |
| 05:09.29 | theWuN | thank you! |
| 05:09.33 | cafuego | interesting bug, gnome-terminal refuses to refresh when Xinerama runs. |
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| 05:10.01 | bob2 | GomoX: emacs? vim? lots. |
| 05:10.04 | mwilson | cafuego: If there's something stupid to do, never fear but a Gnome application will find it. |
| 05:10.07 | theWuN | JimButton: well, how come when i use grep [^1]* nothing comes up then |
| 05:10.23 | Penguin32 | how do you stop it loading un unwanted kernel driver at boot time? |
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| 05:10.40 | ecstatix | is there a regexp builder package? i dont know howto write them properly |
| 05:10.46 | mfbian | just wondering if my lexmark x75 3in1 printer is supported in linux? |
| 05:10.47 | Justin__ | theWuN: grep '[^1]*' |
| 05:10.56 | JimButton | theWuN: the * gets substituted by the shell |
| 05:10.57 | durin42 | i need to set up a webmail script in perl, but it needs suidperl. where can i get that for debian? |
| 05:11.06 | theWuN | stupid shell |
| 05:11.14 | theWuN | thankgs guys |
| 05:11.18 | gravity | ecstatix: man perlre |
| 05:11.27 | ecstatix | grav:ok |
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| 05:11.31 | GomoX | bob2: oh but i havent used the user, its a morphix (knoppix like customizable distro) user ive created to "morph" in a chroot. I just realized it should be called "morph" and not "morphix", all i did was moving and chown'ing files all the afternoon :/ |
| 05:11.31 | GomoX | ill see if im lucky, i guess :) |
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| 05:11.38 | bob2 | mfbian: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 05:11.48 | bob2 | Penguin32: remove it from /etc/modules |
| 05:11.51 | ryuujin | NOOOOO! |
| 05:11.54 | bob2 | Penguin32: or possibly remove "hotplug". |
| 05:12.03 | ryuujin | gnome2.4 makes some weird fucking annoying error |
| 05:12.08 | Penguin32 | bob2: ok, will do that and see if it works, hotplug is not installed |
| 05:12.13 | bob2 | GomoX: then editing /etc/passwd and /etc/group should be enough. |
| 05:12.22 | durin42 | ryuujin so turn it off... |
| 05:12.30 | Justin__ | vipw handles locking and stuffs |
| 05:12.37 | wethion | ryuujin: is there another kind? |
| 05:12.43 | bob2 | and makes sure you don't fuck the format. |
| 05:12.59 | durin42 | wethion the submarine sound that comes with macs is pretty sweet |
| 05:13.11 | gravity | ecstatix: Also man regex |
| 05:13.14 | icecold | Is it a bad idea to have apt-get update and install as a cron job? |
| 05:13.20 | bob2 | icecold: yes. |
| 05:13.22 | durin42 | icecold yes |
| 05:13.24 | icecold | why? |
| 05:13.37 | icecold | I mean upgrade. |
| 05:13.39 | durin42 | icecold because debian is run by imperfect humans, and things can break |
| 05:13.40 | JimButton | icecold: you want to at least see when you kill your system |
| 05:13.41 | ecstatix | gravity: yeah, i read man regex earlier, but got confused. that's why looking for a easy fix till i can understand |
| 05:13.57 | ecstatix | icecold: you'd have to trust the developers a lot to allow that |
| 05:14.05 | icecold | as testing or stable? |
| 05:14.11 | gravity | ecstatix: Ah. Hmm... there should be a good tutorial on the web somewhere. I learned from the "Learning Perl" book. It's got a fantastic tutorial on it. |
| 05:14.29 | wethion | durin42: Ah, yes, leave it to apple to come up with a relaxing way to say your system is deep sixing. Cool. |
| 05:14.34 | ecstatix | gravity: the book by tom chritiansen and randal schwartz? maybe i can start with that |
| 05:14.35 | durin42 | icecold either way, don't do it. be a good sysadmin. some of the packages will need help too. |
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| 05:14.55 | ryuujin | Failed to activate 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDeamon' and then some error code.. anyone knows what that error is all about? |
| 05:15.00 | durin42 | wethion : the bottle and basso are nice too. i always liked sosumi though |
| 05:15.02 | gravity | ecstatix: Yeah. It's really well done. It's not all of perl, but it's definitely enough to get you started. And the re chapter is top nothc |
| 05:15.03 | ryuujin | it's gnome2.4.. |
| 05:15.12 | mfbian | bob2: how can i check if my lexmark x75 scanner and usb web cam works with linux? |
| 05:15.22 | bob2 | mfbian: google. |
| 05:15.24 | icecold | durin42: Ok, it seams so easy when dealing with testing or stable with break very very rarely. |
| 05:15.34 | ecstatix | gravity: i went to the store for Unix Power tools and got it this weekend. its great. And chekced on some other books, like a book called Programming Perl - it was away over my head as well as Perl Cookbook. I came back with only one |
| 05:15.37 | mfbian | is there linux scanner or linux webcam |
| 05:15.39 | ryuujin | oh well, reboot.. |
| 05:16.12 | durin42 | icecold all you need is for it to happen once. i pondered it, then realized the debconf stuff could get mad real fast |
| 05:16.32 | gravity | ecstatix: Ah. You *need* Programming Perl. The camel book is a must. And I love UPT, but I don't have the new edition. I'm going to pick it up very soon though, I love my old edition. |
| 05:16.49 | durin42 | gravity who published PP, orielly? |
| 05:16.53 | gravity | durin42: Yep |
| 05:16.56 | guk | Does anyone have a APC Back-Up ES 500 UPS here and got it working in linux ? |
| 05:16.58 | gravity | Who else? :-) |
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| 05:17.05 | RainbowW | Okay so I take back what I said about X and Gnome 2.4 working on the first try. I seem to have lost my screen on logout. |
| 05:17.13 | durin42 | gravity orielly books kick @$$ |
| 05:17.28 | gravity | ecstatix: Programming Perl will make a lot more sense to you after you have Learning Perl. They complement each other nicely. |
| 05:17.31 | wethion | ecstatix: get "100 linux server hacks", another insanely useful reference. |
| 05:17.31 | ecstatix | gravity: well, let me get and read learning perl first. I think the learning series if for beginners and the programming series is for people who have learnt |
| 05:17.41 | ecstatix | ok |
| 05:17.44 | gravity | ecstatix: And you'd be amazed at what's in the perl manpages. There's a perlintro manpage that I highly recommend reading. |
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| 05:18.05 | RainbowW | at least the three finger worked :( |
| 05:18.10 | durin42 | ecstatix perl is like a "swiss army chainsaw for unix" |
| 05:18.21 | ecstatix | gravity: are there some good perl apps for which code i can read and learn? |
| 05:18.38 | ecstatix | durin42: swiss army uses a chainsaw? a knife is better ;) |
| 05:18.53 | cafuego | durin42: Why do oreilly kick obfuscated perl? |
| 05:18.55 | wethion | ecstatix: check out gnu world order and the perl monks page. |
| 05:18.56 | gravity | ecstatix: Hmmm... well there's tons of perl apps in debian. Most of them are pretty difficult to start off with, at least the ones I know of. |
| 05:19.00 | durin42 | ecstatix don't use matt's script archive |
| 05:19.04 | durin42 | cafuego lol |
| 05:19.07 | gravity | ecstatix: I'll try and think of some though, and I'll get back to you on that. |
| 05:19.08 | bob2 | *couh* configure-debian *cough* |
| 05:19.25 | guk | Im thinkin someone should help me with this USB based APC UPS |
| 05:19.26 | ecstatix | heh |
| 05:19.28 | gravity | bob2: I don't want to subject people to my crap :-) |
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| 05:19.38 | ecstatix | configure-debian is perl? |
| 05:19.42 | cafuego | guk: How much are you willing to pay? |
| 05:19.42 | guk | somthing about a 166MMX with USB makes it even more diffucult ... since it's not "standard" hardware |
| 05:19.50 | guk | $0 |
| 05:19.50 | modconf | i heard 0 is 1, or 0, or a number damnit!! |
| 05:19.55 | gravity | ecstatix: But yeah. I wrote configure-debian. I'm not entirely proud of it right now, but it's decently written if you're looking for C-like code |
| 05:20.06 | wethion | guk: I agree, who will help this poor benighted soul? |
| 05:20.08 | cafuego | $how many bots do we need? |
| 05:20.09 | modconf | cafuego: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:20.16 | guk | Who will help poor guky <3 |
| 05:20.23 | guk | I need me UPS to tell me intresting stats |
| 05:20.25 | durin42 | gravity what is configure-debian, my system doesn't have it... |
| 05:20.34 | ecstatix | gravity: heh, ok. will get started. i have a nice school holiday for christmas and new year |
| 05:20.37 | guk | c'mon ... this is a linux channel someone HAS to have a UPS |
| 05:20.53 | durin42 | guk: not looking like it.... |
| 05:20.54 | bob2 | guk: demanding help annoys people. |
| 05:21.03 | gravity | durin42: It's not in stable yet. It's not finished right now, but it'll become a central frontend to standard debian programs like update-rc.d and dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:21.04 | guk | im not demanding ... |
| 05:21.06 | bob2 | s/people/& who might help you/ |
| 05:21.07 | guk | im asking nicely |
| 05:21.15 | cafuego | guk: I have a UPS but not a USB one. |
| 05:21.17 | bob2 | guk: you're still sounding whiney. what does google say? |
| 05:21.24 | guk | google tells me fuck all ... |
| 05:21.25 | wethion | guk: sorry can't help, my entire house is battery backup-ed. |
| 05:21.32 | gravity | ecstatix: Cool :-) Perl is great, just take care to be very clean in what you write, or you will hate yourself later. Perl is very nice about letting you be stupid with it |
| 05:21.35 | durin42 | gravity aaah. good idea |
| 05:21.39 | guk | but some kid who has the same thing as me but got it working and needs help on somthing unrleated |
| 05:21.42 | guk | and how to buy the stupid thing |
| 05:21.51 | ecstatix | gravity: ok |
| 05:21.51 | cafuego | guk: Next time, check compatibility first and THEN buy the hardware, eh? |
| 05:21.54 | guk | I don't even know if USB is working on here ... it's SO old |
| 05:21.56 | guk | no no |
| 05:22.00 | bob2 | guk: have you tried all the apc things in Debian? |
| 05:22.00 | guk | I did ... it's supported |
| 05:22.06 | guk | apc ... |
| 05:22.07 | guk | hmm |
| 05:22.13 | cafuego | guk: Well then install it and use it. |
| 05:22.15 | guk | leme take a peek |
| 05:22.16 | gravity | durin42: Right now, as it is, it's basically a frontend to dpkg-reconfigure. When you don't know what package to dpkg-reconfigure, you can choose it from a menu |
| 05:22.18 | durin42 | Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister == PERL |
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| 05:22.34 | durin42 | gravity that has frustrated me on occasion |
| 05:22.36 | guk | I need to get USB working ... and that im lost on ... since my USB is built into my IBM PC 350 (1996) |
| 05:22.41 | guk | so im kinda ... frazzled |
| 05:22.42 | gravity | durin42: Me too. That's why I wrote it :-) |
| 05:22.45 | yaman | 'make menuconfig' is complaining about not having a file called crt1.o... what package is that in? |
| 05:22.53 | cafuego | yaman: gcc |
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| 05:23.05 | cafuego | or what that libc6-dev? |
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| 05:23.21 | durin42 | cafuego could that be in libncurses5-dev? |
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| 05:23.45 | cafuego | durin42: No. |
| 05:23.54 | cafuego | durin42: i'm fairly sure it's in gcc. |
| 05:24.04 | guk | apcd - APC Smart UPS daemon |
| 05:24.04 | guk | apcupsd - APC UPS Power Management |
| 05:24.05 | guk | which one ? |
| 05:24.06 | durin42 | cafuego i miss p.d.o now :( |
| 05:24.06 | yaman | cafuego: i already have gcc installed |
| 05:24.07 | cafuego | !find crtl.o |
| 05:24.14 | yaman | !find crt1.o |
| 05:24.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'crtl.o' returned no results. |
| 05:24.21 | cafuego | duh |
| 05:24.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'crt1.o' (5 shown; 7 total): (/usr/lib/oskit/unix/crt1.o) in devel/oskit ;; (/usr/lib/checker/i686-pc-linux-gnu/chkr-crt1.o) in devel/gccchecker ;; (/usr/lib/{Mcrt1.o|Scrt1.o|crt1.o|...}) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/{crt1.o|gcrt1.o}) in oldlibs/libc5-altdev ;; (/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib/{crt1.o|gcrt1.o}) in libdevel/libuclibc-dev. |
| 05:24.25 | cafuego | stupid font |
| 05:24.32 | cafuego | libdevel/libc6-dev |
| 05:24.34 | guk | powstatd - Configurable UPS monitoring daemon |
| 05:24.39 | guk | now ... is any of this USB compatable |
| 05:24.40 | ecstatix | its in the devel pachage |
| 05:24.42 | ecstatix | yeah |
| 05:24.47 | yaman | ok, i was trying libc5 |
| 05:24.48 | durin42 | cafuego i didn't know dpkg was so capable |
| 05:24.48 | yaman | thanks |
| 05:24.51 | guk | from the looks of it most UPS's are Serial |
| 05:25.00 | wethion | hrm, just got a seg-fault reported by apt while installing the mozilla snapshot. |
| 05:25.11 | durin42 | yaman you making 2.6? |
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| 05:25.59 | ecstatix | wethion: where do you get a mozilla snapshot to install via apt from? |
| 05:26.17 | durin42 | !find suidperl |
| 05:26.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'suidperl' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/suidperl) in perl/perl-suid. |
| 05:26.39 | durin42 | !botsnack botsnack botsnack |
| 05:26.40 | dpkg | aw, gee, durin42 |
| 05:26.59 | durin42 | yeeehaw! |
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| 05:28.14 | ecstatix | in the xchat channel members tab, why are some nicks black while others grey? |
| 05:28.35 | wethion | ecstatix: it's a package, mozilla-snapshot or somesuch. |
| 05:28.51 | ecstatix | wethion: ok |
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| 05:29.35 | wethion | ecstatix: I don't even know why I still bloody have it, all I ever use is Galeon or lynx in a pinch. <shrug> |
| 05:30.04 | ecstatix | wethion: mozilla-firebird is a better candidate to install, and maybe opera |
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| 05:31.07 | bob2 | yaman: install build-essential |
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| 05:32.09 | somiaj | ecstatix: opera is in debian? (I don't see it in my apt-cache) |
| 05:32.10 | wethion | Debian is the Babelfish of the computing world. |
| 05:32.12 | ecstatix | is there some tabbed console based browser as well? |
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| 05:32.44 | ecstatix | somiaj: apt-cache search opera-static |
| 05:33.03 | somiaj | ecstatix: no results |
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| 05:33.26 | ruckerz | is there a fortran 90 compiler debian package? |
| 05:33.49 | somiaj | ecstatix: dpkg here can't find it either in sid. |
| 05:34.03 | ecstatix | ecstatix: well |
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| 05:34.10 | ecstatix | ecstatix: it does for me |
| 05:34.14 | GomoX | bob2: well there *was* something else i had to edit |
| 05:34.16 | ecstatix | err, somiaj |
| 05:34.24 | bob2 | ruckerz: no |
| 05:34.33 | somiaj | ecstatix: did you get/make opera yourself? |
| 05:34.34 | L00thar | Could someone please explain to me if there is some common denominator behind how some X/Gnome programs stop loading when run from GUI -- but run just fine when launched from the commandline? Let's say a program ran fine from GUI before an apt-get upgrade, but suddenly now must be run from console. |
| 05:34.35 | bob2 | ruckerz: you can build f90 from the gcc sourcetree if you like, however. |
| 05:34.43 | ruckerz | bob2: ew... hmmm |
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| 05:34.57 | ecstatix | somiaj: no, its there in my apt-cache search. though there is a package available from opera.com |
| 05:35.04 | GomoX | bob2: /etc/shadow, duh |
| 05:35.10 | ecstatix | somiaj: can i paste my sources.list so you check? |
| 05:35.12 | bob2 | GomoX: hah, right. |
| 05:35.19 | GomoX | i was getting weird su errors o_O |
| 05:35.30 | somiaj | ecstatix: did you download and install the one from opera.com, apt-cache search will show packages you have installed that aren't in the sources.list. |
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| 05:35.51 | ecstatix | somiaj: hmm, dont remember now to be sure |
| 05:35.52 | wethion | has anyone here had experience installing a radeon 9600 and using the --force-overwrite? |
| 05:36.06 | bob2 | L00thar: any errors in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 05:36.08 | bob2 | L00thar: hah |
| 05:36.16 | somiaj | ecstatix: well my guess is you got it from opera.com, though thanks for the info, I might check it out. |
| 05:36.26 | ecstatix | somiaj: it works nice though |
| 05:36.39 | gravity | !hump bob2 |
| 05:36.45 | gravity | Damn it |
| 05:36.53 | bob2 | oi. |
| 05:37.03 | bob2 | don't hump the bob2! |
| 05:37.04 | gravity | That's purposeful and public :-) |
| 05:37.07 | L00thar | bob2: I've never had, to my recall. But ~/.gnome-errors and ~/.xsession-errors are another issue too. |
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| 05:37.23 | rks | Is there a way to seta keyboard shortcut for changing workspaces in gnome with sawfish |
| 05:37.48 | bob2 | rks: of course. |
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| 05:37.59 | bob2 | rks: open the sawfish configurator and go to the keyboard tab |
| 05:38.04 | bob2 | bind away! |
| 05:38.07 | bob2 | or learn rep. |
| 05:38.19 | somiaj | ecstatix: well it looks like opera is non-free explains why I don't see it. |
| 05:38.19 | Whistleboy | anyone know how to get a SCSI scanner to work for a non-root user? I've added the user to scanner and saned groups, but the scanner itself (/dev/sg0) is in group root. Should it be in the scanner group? |
| 05:38.40 | rks | bob2 the sawfish configurator, what's the command for that? cause i see in my menu a keyboard-shortcuts |
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| 05:38.58 | bob2 | sawfish-<wab> |
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| 05:39.01 | bob2 | tab, even. |
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| 05:39.32 | rks | bob2 i don't see sawfish-configurator |
| 05:39.43 | bob2 | whatever it's called. |
| 05:39.47 | rks | bob2 i have sawfish sawfish-ui sawfish-client |
| 05:39.51 | bob2 | ui |
| 05:39.59 | bob2 | client is a command line lisp interpreter. |
| 05:40.18 | wethion | what's the util to list pci cards in a system? |
| 05:40.34 | cafuego | lspci |
| 05:40.43 | gravity | bob2: I <3 REM :-) |
| 05:40.49 | mwilson | Whistleboy: It has to be read/write by the user. Set it however you like. |
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| 05:41.02 | mfbian | which linux file system is best |
| 05:41.09 | L00thar | fat12 |
| 05:41.12 | ecstatix | who knows |
| 05:41.15 | bob2 | gravity: hah, me too. just got their greatest hits, as the don't-own-any-cds-lamer I am. |
| 05:41.16 | mwilson | Define "best". |
| 05:41.20 | wethion | cafuego: Yep, thanks. |
| 05:41.23 | bob2 | gravity: lacking "bang and blame", sadly. |
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| 05:41.41 | gravity | bob2: Ah, I can't bring myself to buy it because I have all the CD's, even though I really want the bonus b-sides disk |
| 05:41.41 | bob2 | powerdns or are you wandering into djbland>? |
| 05:41.42 | L00thar | mfbian: ext2/3 is very common and good. |
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| 05:41.55 | mfbian | like... good performance, fast access, fast recovery, mature... like ufs.. |
| 05:42.02 | mwilson | bob2: Nah... I don't need bind. Dnsmasq does it for me these days. |
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| 05:42.04 | gravity | bob2: That's a horrible omission. Bang and Blame is fantastic |
| 05:42.15 | mfbian | not like beta, or testing file system |
| 05:42.17 | bob2 | seriously, how shit can windows be? |
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| 05:42.26 | bob2 | I don't even know HOW it's possible to stall while PLAYING A CD. |
| 05:42.32 | rks | bob2 how can i make an application automatically startup in a certain workspace using sawfish and gnome2? |
| 05:42.35 | L00thar | mbp2: ext2 with ext3 is fast. reiserfs might be faster. |
| 05:42.49 | ecstatix | mwilson: what is dnsmasq? |
| 05:42.53 | bob2 | rks: add it to the matched window section in sawfish-ui. |
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| 05:43.17 | bob2 | gravity: yeah, all I have to console me are my mp3s and a variety of live versions ;-) |
| 05:43.25 | yaman | !find startx |
| 05:43.28 | mwilson | bob2: I'm not quite sure how dnsmasq is doing its thing... I installed it on the gateway and bind was still there, but they did not conflict. Or did not appear to conflict. |
| 05:43.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (3 shown): (/usr/bin/startxfce) in x11/xfce ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 05:43.37 | bob2 | yaman: insall x-window-system-core |
| 05:43.41 | yaman | bob2: thanks :) |
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| 05:44.04 | mwilson | bob2: I expected it to try to bind to port 53, and the documentation implies it, but it didn't seem to care. :) |
| 05:44.08 | bob2 | mwilson: hm, did it manage to, uh, bind port 53? |
| 05:44.16 | bob2 | mwilson: hah, very useful. |
| 05:44.23 | gravity | bob2: The live versions rock :-) |
| 05:44.29 | RainbowW | the build-qmail-built qmail deb provides mta, does it not? |
| 05:44.37 | Whistleboy | mwilson: on the scanner, is that normal operation to have to add it in like this? |
| 05:44.40 | mwilson | bob2: No, I don't know how it could have, since bind was still running. |
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| 05:44.44 | bob2 | RainbowW: is that from qmail-src? |
| 05:44.45 | mwilson | Whistleboy: To add what in? |
| 05:44.49 | Eildon | no "bang and blame" damn.. |
| 05:44.49 | bob2 | RainbowW: if so, "yes". |
| 05:44.49 | RainbowW | bob2: yes. |
| 05:45.09 | bob2 | Eildon: does have e-bow the letter, hwoever. |
| 05:45.17 | RainbowW | bob2: good, cuz removing exim also killed mutt, at, and gato. :) |
| 05:45.23 | bob2 | I still don't know what a "e-bow" is. |
| 05:45.29 | Whistleboy | mwilson: the permissions on the /dev/sg0 device. Just curiout if I have screwed something up in upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 05:45.33 | bob2 | RainbowW: hah, I bet. |
| 05:45.37 | gravity | bob2: It's an instrument |
| 05:45.47 | bob2 | gravity: ahhh |
| 05:46.04 | giwe | I have a root partion of about 200M containing a custom kernel. Anyone can point out the steps that I can take to create a bootable cd? |
| 05:46.09 | gravity | bob2: They use it in the song. It's basically this little C-shaped piece of plastic that causes the guitar string to vibrate as though you're using a bow (for violins, etc) |
| 05:46.13 | songpenguin | Help... I installed xine and did all of the things that the howto and faq said (made a /dev/dvd link and installed libdvdcss0) but it still wont work. does anyone know how to get this to work? |
| 05:46.23 | gravity | bob2: The name of the song is amazingly uncreative :-) |
| 05:46.24 | mwilson | Whistleboy: Uh, as you yourself observed, /dev/sg<n> is a SCSI-generic device. Anything might be connected to it. Why are you surprised that you might have to set permissions and ownership according to whatever you might have installed on it? |
| 05:46.28 | Whistleboy | mwilson: and thanks, that did the trick! |
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| 05:47.07 | bob2 | gravity: ahhh. that's a little disappointing, I figured it was soemthign far cooler. |
| 05:47.33 | RainbowW | oh what an ANNOYING way to set up qmail :( |
| 05:47.58 | gravity | bob2: Yeah. The lyrics of the song are literally a letter Michael Stipe wrote to someone. It's that dull |
| 05:48.03 | Justin__ | !tell songpenguin about doesn't work |
| 05:48.09 | gravity | ecstatix: I just found this: man perlretut |
| 05:48.17 | bob2 | RainbowW: postfix! |
| 05:48.27 | mwilson | One less heavy daemon running that I didn't need any more anyway. |
| 05:48.30 | RainbowW | bob2: apt-get remove qmail; manual install from a fresh tarball. :) |
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| 05:48.54 | songpenguin | Justin__: my dvd's wont play on xine |
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| 05:49.09 | qazix | anyone happen to have a link for up-to-date info on building DRI from cvs? |
| 05:49.12 | ecstatix | gravity: thanks |
| 05:49.13 | bob2 | mwilson: so no local DNS at all? |
| 05:49.17 | gravity | ecstatix: No problem |
| 05:49.29 | gravity | Hopefully that'll save you some cash :-) |
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| 05:49.47 | songpenguin | Justin__: it says there is no avaliable input plugin |
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| 05:50.00 | Justin__ | songpenguin: it says a bit more than that |
| 05:50.06 | songpenguin | here |
| 05:50.28 | ecstatix | gravity: i dont have a man perlretut |
| 05:50.35 | ecstatix | gravity: need any special package for that? |
| 05:50.49 | gravity | ecstatix: Really? It's in my perl-doc package. |
| 05:50.53 | gravity | ecstatix: I'm on sid though |
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| 05:51.05 | ecstatix | gravity: i'm sid too. |
| 05:51.18 | gravity | ecstatix: perl-doc then |
| 05:51.27 | gravity | ecstatix: Or, http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlretut.html |
| 05:51.29 | ecstatix | gravity: was'nt installed. apt-getting |
| 05:51.33 | gravity | Ok |
| 05:52.05 | ecstatix | how do you find out which file si provided by which package? |
| 05:52.12 | Justin__ | !tell ecstatix about search |
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| 05:52.38 | flan | ok |
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| 05:53.18 | ecstatix | Justin__: umm, i am trying to learn using regex's in the first place |
| 05:53.25 | flan | anyone know what type of keylogger they used in the debian debacle? |
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| 05:53.42 | Justin__ | ecstatix: and your point is? |
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| 05:54.46 | songpenguin | Justin__ : it says on the terminal output "Sorry, xine doesn't play encrypted DVDs. The legal status of CSS decryption is unclear and we will not provide such code" . the HOWTO says I need libdvdcss0, wich I installed but it still des not work! |
| 05:55.03 | Justin__ | "howto"? |
| 05:55.30 | Justin__ | run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh like everyone else |
| 05:55.51 | beta3 | bob2: Ill pay you 15 american dollars to help me research asterik |
| 05:56.04 | Justin__ | beta3: my roomate said it sucks :-) |
| 05:56.14 | bob2 | beta3: hah |
| 05:56.17 | songpenguin | Justin__ on the xine website |
| 05:56.24 | beta3 | Justin__: its a fucking PITA |
| 05:56.27 | Justin__ | but I asked him what it does compared to cisco ip phone stuff |
| 05:56.28 | zignig | beta3: RTFM ? |
| 05:56.40 | beta3 | zignig: try 2000 lines of configuration files |
| 05:56.43 | Justin__ | songpenguin: why didnt you do what the package said to when you installed it? |
| 05:56.44 | songpenguin | Justin__: thanks, Ill try that! |
| 05:57.06 | zignig | beta3: cool , I hope you got a supply of jolt on hand :P |
| 05:57.17 | beta3 | zignig: ran out, and no beer, IM screwed |
| 05:57.38 | beta3 | Justin__: well asterisk is kinda important, I need the sip pbx |
| 05:57.54 | mwilson | Justin__: 'cause he's special, of course. |
| 05:58.05 | mwilson | hm, I could get used to how easy dnsmasq is to set up. |
| 05:58.08 | zignig | beta3: oh no ! |
| 05:58.37 | zignig | beta3: what interface cards are you using , or pure IP phones ? |
| 05:58.37 | Justin__ | mwilson: using prerouting to fake a local dns server? |
| 05:58.39 | bob2 | beta3: a PABX system? |
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| 05:59.00 | mwilson | Justin__: Huh? No, it's just a caching forwarder. |
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| 05:59.10 | beta3 | zignig: Im buying an FXO card so I can use my home phone |
| 05:59.11 | Justin__ | mwilson: ooh right the pacakge |
| 05:59.18 | beta3 | bob2: PBX, Private Branch Exchange |
| 05:59.23 | mwilson | Justin__: But I like how it works with /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:59.28 | beta3 | bob2: its what you get when you call into the office |
| 05:59.38 | yaman_ | ok... i hope someone in here is familiar with Wireless internet... anyways, ive loaded the drivers for my wireless card, and i've set the key & essid with iwconfig, and when i go `iwlist eth1 scanning` iit shows me my access point and some others... i dont know where to go from there |
| 05:59.40 | bob2 | beta3: I know what a PABX is. |
| 05:59.48 | zignig | beta3: cool, you can do caller id tool , very funky. |
| 05:59.49 | beta3 | pabx? |
| 05:59.50 | mwilson | Justin__: I finally pulled bind off my gateway. |
| 06:00.00 | bancus | where is the dpkg/apt cache file lock? |
| 06:00.05 | beta3 | zignig: yeah, you can configure it and Ill pay you a crapload of cash |
| 06:00.16 | zignig | beta3: what $15 bucks |
| 06:00.21 | bob2 | beta3: PBX then. |
| 06:00.23 | gravity | Hehe |
| 06:00.23 | zignig | beta3: :P |
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| 06:00.29 | bob2 | bancus: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 06:00.32 | beta3 | zignig: Ill up it to 50 if you do it right now |
| 06:00.36 | bancus | thanks a lot |
| 06:00.48 | zignig | beta3: read the docs , learn the config , and sell _your_ talents to other people. |
| 06:00.56 | cef | beta3: what are you doing? |
| 06:01.02 | zignig | beta3: i don't need asterix at the moment. |
| 06:01.07 | beta3 | cef: setting up asterisk, nothing is more than a bitch |
| 06:01.24 | cef | beta3: tried #asterisk ? |
| 06:01.36 | beta3 | cef: been there, its like a gentoo channel |
| 06:01.41 | beta3 | its all talk and bs |
| 06:01.43 | cef | beta3: hehehe *grin* |
| 06:02.11 | guk | alright ... I got my USB working ... my kernel shows the UPS connected and running ... but I can't find where in /dev my USB is located ... it's not in /dev/usb and it's not in /dev/ttyUSB* where could it be ... |
| 06:02.12 | beta3 | if I can't get any progress in 10 minutes Im switching to ser |
| 06:02.25 | Justin__ | beta3: you want to pay someone, and asterisk is like the one thing i've never played wit |
| 06:02.49 | beta3 | Justin__: you play with it, and document, ill pay you |
| 06:03.01 | Justin__ | beta3: dont you need hardware for it?/ |
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| 06:03.04 | beta3 | the docs on asterisk suck more than cyrus docs |
| 06:03.12 | catalyst | ps |
| 06:03.14 | beta3 | Justin__: no just use a softphone and a headset or mic |
| 06:03.21 | cef | beta3: which is saying something, cos they really suck! |
| 06:03.22 | Justin__ | beta3: whats a softphone? |
| 06:03.37 | beta3 | Justin__: kphone, gnophone, linphone etc ... |
| 06:03.42 | Justin__ | oooh ok |
| 06:04.16 | mwilson | STILL no buildd does X. |
| 06:04.57 | guk | hiddev0: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 500 FW:801.e5.D USB FW:e5] on usb1:2.0 |
| 06:05.00 | guk | I got this |
| 06:05.00 | beta3 | Justin__: you look into that, Im going to look into ser, it can be configured with a web interface |
| 06:05.06 | guk | but I don't know where my USB is located in /dev |
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| 06:05.56 | Semper-Fi | hey |
| 06:05.59 | Semper-Fi | where is the ld config |
| 06:06.00 | Semper-Fi | ? |
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| 06:06.14 | flan | /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 06:06.30 | Semper-Fi | ah |
| 06:06.31 | Semper-Fi | thanks |
| 06:06.48 | flan | yup don't forget to run ldconfig after you save the file |
| 06:06.49 | theturtle | hi |
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| 06:07.04 | theturtle | what mpeg encoding tools are out there for linux? |
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| 06:07.17 | trans_err | mjpegtools |
| 06:07.22 | Semper-Fi | hmm |
| 06:07.26 | Semper-Fi | its not in there |
| 06:07.39 | Semper-Fi | perhaps you can help me with my problem flan |
| 06:07.50 | Semper-Fi | i was trying to get my netmd to work |
| 06:07.59 | loneiguan1 | Whenever I try to install anything with apt dpkg segfaults, any ideas? |
| 06:08.06 | guk | Okay ... my kernel is telling me hiddev0: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 500 FW:801.e5.D USB FW:e5] on usb 1:2.0 ... meaning it found the USB and it's working ... but I can not find it in /dev I need this for my UPS software ... would any of you know where it could possably be ? |
| 06:08.10 | theturtle | how do windows tools compare to linux? |
| 06:08.14 | Semper-Fi | and then my xmms is messed up and its mention libgnetmd.so.0 as a problem |
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| 06:08.30 | De_Mon | theturtle they suck |
| 06:08.36 | guk | apt-get remove apt-get :/ |
| 06:08.39 | Semper-Fi | so i uninstalled my gnetmd crap sence it didnt work and now i get this other problem |
| 06:08.42 | Jeedo | how would i add a new directory into cvs without cvs add every file and subfile in it |
| 06:08.51 | Semper-Fi | can i pm you the msg flan? |
| 06:08.54 | Jeedo | is there nothing like a cvs add -r folder command? |
| 06:09.05 | mwilson | Oh, yippie skippie... instead of dropping modconf, they add support for 2.6 to it. |
| 06:09.06 | flan | holy shit marine |
| 06:09.10 | RainbowW | so is fb support in the kernel required for X on a Matrox g450? |
| 06:09.13 | Justin__ | Jeedo: find|xargs cvs? |
| 06:09.15 | flan | or rather semper-fi |
| 06:09.19 | flan | what did you do |
| 06:09.21 | bob2 | guk: find /dev/|grep hid |
| 06:09.23 | Jeedo | Justin__: nah |
| 06:09.28 | Semper-Fi | nothin man |
| 06:09.41 | Semper-Fi | turns out libgnetmd tried to install a puglin into xmms |
| 06:09.48 | Semper-Fi | and i dont see it anywhere |
| 06:09.48 | Jeedo | that doesnt work |
| 06:09.58 | bob2 | Semper-Fi: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:10.12 | Semper-Fi | bob2, fix xmms |
| 06:10.30 | theturtle | de_mon lots of ppl use tmpgenc and cce , i can't imagine they would if it sucked :/ |
| 06:11.00 | guk | bob2: nothing ... it finds nothing |
| 06:11.12 | loneiguan1 | whenever I run apt-get I get this error |
| 06:11.12 | loneiguan1 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 06:11.21 | bob2 | guk: grep hid /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 06:11.23 | guk | bob2: I don't understand ... the USB is working the kernel is finding it and showing me it see's me UPS ... but there is no /dev for it |
| 06:11.27 | bob2 | loneiguan1: run memtest86 |
| 06:11.40 | bob2 | guk: blah,blahm nothing exists in /dev utnil you create it,. |
| 06:11.43 | mwilson | RainbowW: Gods, no. Where would you get that idea from? |
| 06:11.46 | bob2 | Semper-Fi: purge that package then. |
| 06:11.51 | bob2 | RainbowW: no, you don't. |
| 06:11.57 | guk | bob2: oh :) |
| 06:12.16 | loneiguan1 | bob2: it's a server and doesn't have a monitor attatched, is there anything I can do that I can see in ssh? |
| 06:12.46 | guk | bob2: now that command you gave me what exactly does it do ... where is the USB dev located now that I typed it in |
| 06:13.39 | bob2 | loneiguan1: no. |
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| 06:13.54 | bob2 | loneiguan1: if it's woody, it's almost certainly disk corruption or bad memoery. |
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| 06:14.07 | bob2 | guk: the grep is just for my benefit. did it pritn anything out? |
| 06:14.15 | guk | no ... nothing out |
| 06:14.22 | guk | just did the line and din't complain or nothing |
| 06:14.31 | guk | which sounds like from your "tone" it's something bad |
| 06:14.36 | bob2 | no |
| 06:14.47 | guk | oh ? |
| 06:14.47 | bob2 | just means MAKEDEV doesn't know hwo to generate the hid devices. |
| 06:15.00 | guk | uh oh ... and how would this get solved ? |
| 06:15.21 | bob2 | no idea. |
| 06:15.26 | Justin__ | beta3: what ar eyou trying to do with asterisk? |
| 06:15.38 | guk | oh no :( |
| 06:15.46 | guk | I need my nifty USB to work :'( |
| 06:15.49 | bob2 | Justin__: deliver enterprise-level PBX/VoIP telephony to his growing customer base. |
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| 06:16.20 | Justin__ | grr, my thinkpad is broke |
| 06:16.31 | Justin__ | On-line, battery status low: 6% |
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| 06:16.38 | denon | ok -- stupid question, but is there a CURRENT netinst iso that will install stable? |
| 06:16.46 | Justin__ | its been online since 50%, stupid connecter is broke |
| 06:16.49 | bob2 | "current"? |
| 06:17.05 | Justin__ | i think he wants one with 2.4.2x |
| 06:17.26 | denon | that new beta installer is cool, but it only installs testing afaik |
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| 06:17.38 | denon | Ive got that old Lord whatshisname one, but its ancient |
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| 06:17.41 | pepo | xDDD |
| 06:17.57 | ecstatix | denon: ieure |
| 06:18.26 | denon | ecstatix: hmm? |
| 06:18.59 | ecstatix | denon: there a netinst iso by a guy called ieure from debian.org, and on different mirrors as well. it works nice. |
| 06:20.06 | denon | hmm .. cant find em in english anyway .. |
| 06:20.24 | ecstatix | denon: wait |
| 06:21.33 | ecstatix | denon: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/ |
| 06:21.41 | mwilson | Justin__: Your battery won't charge any more? |
| 06:21.50 | Justin__ | mwilson: it will, the connecter is broken |
| 06:21.54 | denon | enat |
| 06:21.56 | denon | neat, even |
| 06:22.04 | Justin__ | i lost my 60 day uptime when i got home :-/ |
| 06:22.10 | denon | so the new deb is gonna make kernel upgrades easier huh? |
| 06:22.20 | Justin__ | i can use the doc to change it easy since that uses the other port |
| 06:22.40 | Justin__ | the blasted 4 prong power connecter is bent or something, if i jam it in the right way it works |
| 06:22.41 | mwilson | I don't have the dock for mine. |
| 06:22.47 | mwilson | 4-prong? |
| 06:22.50 | Justin__ | i have 2! |
| 06:22.53 | mwilson | I thought you had a 600. |
| 06:22.59 | Justin__ | 760e |
| 06:23.01 | mwilson | ah |
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| 06:23.13 | modconf | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 06:23.13 | Justin__ | the _bad_ thing is the laptop thinks its online |
| 06:23.15 | mwilson | 600 is a cannon plug |
| 06:23.26 | Justin__ | so apm sits there as it goes to 0% |
| 06:23.43 | bob2 | denon: eh? kernel ugrades are already pretty damn easy. |
| 06:23.45 | ecstatix | does'nt it have acpi support? |
| 06:23.46 | denon | ecstatix: hmm .. that guy's seems to be really oold |
| 06:23.54 | denon | bob2: Im a fbsd guy, this is all new territory to me :) |
| 06:23.56 | ecstatix | denon: what kernel do you need? |
| 06:24.13 | beta3 | Justin__: Im trying to build my personal pbx |
| 06:24.13 | mwilson | ecstatix: Any number of things don't have ACPI support. |
| 06:24.16 | denon | ecstatix: shrugs .. something farily modern, and an installer new enough to support LVM |
| 06:24.43 | Justin__ | beta3: run asterisk -r and you get a console |
| 06:24.49 | ecstatix | denon: i dunno about lvm |
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| 06:25.01 | mwilson | ecstatix: Or have ACPI support you don't want to use. |
| 06:25.04 | ecstatix | mwilson: can acpi and apm be run simultaneously? |
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| 06:25.51 | mwilson | ecstatix: Further, if the laptop hardware is saying that the charger is on-line, and the battery isn't charging, what difference is it going to make if you find out that information via APM, or ACPI? |
| 06:26.01 | ecstatix | heh |
| 06:26.16 | mwilson | ecstatix: After all, if you actually bother to think about it... |
| 06:26.19 | Justin__ | beta3: and it would seem 'dial' makes a whole lot of noise |
| 06:27.02 | ecstatix | denon: you can ask for the new debian installer, its called d-i and is in alpha/beta or something. you could download that and try out |
| 06:27.18 | mwilson | Justin__: I'm going to get the dock for my 600 as soon as I decide for sure which one I want, as there are several. |
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| 06:28.17 | denon | ecstatix: it doesnt install stable |
| 06:28.20 | denon | ecstatix: only testing |
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| 06:29.49 | wethion | can someone do me a favor and pop over to hitachi's site and look up the vitals (sync, refresh, max res, etc.) on a CM640U monitor? It's a 17" CRT. |
| 06:30.13 | mwilson | wethion: Oh, yes... anyone should be happy to help out such a lazy-ass. |
| 06:30.14 | bob2 | !+setup x |
| 06:30.15 | dpkg | hmm... set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 06:30.20 | wethion | It's also older, prolly 4 yrs or so. |
| 06:30.59 | wethion | mwilson: I have no X, and lynx is not getting along well at all with hitachi's *very* graphics laden site, thanks for asking. |
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| 06:32.12 | bob2 | cough read-edid cough |
| 06:32.52 | gravity | Hehe |
| 06:33.09 | wethion | mwilson: so quite frankly, stuff it. I was asking for a hand, not a terrier spouting bullshit up my ass. |
| 06:33.18 | bob2 | cough read-edid cough |
| 06:33.25 | wethion | bob2: I assume that was for me , thanks, am looking now. |
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| 06:33.37 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:33.47 | gravity | That's my lucky lung, so it'll help you wethion |
| 06:33.56 | bob2 | #debian is a no-smoking channel, take that billy outside young man! |
| 06:33.57 | denon | so am I to assume that there's no current netinst ISO or any type of network installing iso of STABLE? |
| 06:34.10 | gravity | Awww maaaaaan! |
| 06:34.13 | bob2 | wtf does "current" mean? |
| 06:34.15 | RainbowW | is there a howto on getting X to love a USB mouse? |
| 06:34.21 | bob2 | if you want a particular kernel version, say that. |
| 06:34.27 | bob2 | RainbowW: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 06:34.27 | Azhrarn | err, a network installing ISO? |
| 06:34.31 | denon | bob2: in the past year or two |
| 06:34.36 | Azhrarn | isn't that kind of an oxymoron? |
| 06:34.38 | RainbowW | bob2: danke |
| 06:34.47 | gravity | RainbowW: zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz |
| 06:34.48 | denon | Azhrarn: you know what I mean, a netinst |
| 06:34.51 | bob2 | RainbowW: basically, point it at /dev/input/mice and use imps/2 for a scroll mouse, ps/2 for a non-scrolly one. |
| 06:34.53 | mwilson | denon: There's not? Boy, you'd better tell the Debian people... they sure think there is. |
| 06:34.56 | denon | or some other installer that installs off the ftp.. |
| 06:35.09 | bob2 | denon: read the install guide and make your own boot floppy. |
| 06:35.15 | bob2 | denon: or google and find a 2.4.22-based one. |
| 06:35.19 | Azhrarn | debootstrap if you already have another flavor of linux to run it |
| 06:35.20 | bob2 | denon: or bootstrap from knoppix |
| 06:35.26 | bob2 | denon: or from sarge |
| 06:35.33 | Justin__ | beta3: i figured out how to do something :-) |
| 06:35.34 | denon | mwilson: im serious here .. all the shit I find is either download 8 floppies, use jiggawho and get a buncha CDs, or download a 2year old netinst iso |
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| 06:36.11 | mwilson | denon: Wow... I didn't know that ISO's had expiration dates. Gee, thanks for letting me know that, I was worried. |
| 06:36.15 | wethion | mwilson: that *was* a bit harsh, my apologies. |
| 06:36.15 | theturtle | Anyone know if K3B will do Svcd to Dvd conversion? |
| 06:36.21 | Azhrarn | you can get just one cd with jigdo if that's all you want |
| 06:36.31 | gravity | Ugh. jigdo. |
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| 06:36.34 | mwilson | denon: Do they spoil and start to smell when they get past this imaginary date? |
| 06:37.01 | denon | mwilson: you know, ordinarily I'm a twit like you, mocking the newbies trolling through .. its interesting to see it from the other side |
| 06:37.16 | flan | ok is there a deb out for kernel-2.4.23? |
| 06:37.28 | mwilson | denon: No, I'm not "mocking the newbies"... I'm trying to point out that you're a dumb-ass. |
| 06:37.38 | denon | you're not doing a very good job |
| 06:37.53 | bob2 | denon: why do you need a newer install disk? |
| 06:38.11 | denon | bob2: well, something that supports LVM on install |
| 06:38.18 | mwilson | denon: Apparently you can't be bothered to do the slightest thing for yourself, such as read the installation guide, or, horror of horrors, actually look at the web site. |
| 06:38.32 | mwilson | Ahhhhhh... NOW he wants LVM in the image he uses. |
| 06:38.42 | denon | no, I wanted that 10 minutes ago |
| 06:38.51 | mwilson | Do you think possibly you could list ALL the features you think it should have at once. |
| 06:38.52 | denon | your text was flooding the window, you must not have noticed. |
| 06:39.09 | beta3 | Justin__: what did you figure ouy |
| 06:39.34 | zignig | bleh ! |
| 06:39.38 | Justin__ | beta3: edit manager.conf, enable it and uncomment the user |
| 06:39.42 | gravity | Bleh! |
| 06:39.44 | beta3 | Justin__: ok |
| 06:39.47 | helix | bleh. |
| 06:39.48 | beta3 | Justin__: giving it ago |
| 06:39.51 | Justin__ | then you can run astman localhost and connect to it |
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| 06:40.01 | Justin__ | seems to be a call manager of sorts |
| 06:40.12 | beta3 | astman? |
| 06:40.15 | Justin__ | yeah |
| 06:40.28 | beta3 | what the hell is that |
| 06:40.34 | Justin__ | asterisk manager |
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| 06:40.46 | beta3 | o |
| 06:40.49 | denon | bob2: reading the docs, i'm a bit baffled of the 'recommended' method for netinst .. lord such's has a 2.4.x kernel, but I cant seem to find anything else 'supported' for stable |
| 06:40.50 | beta3 | thats interesting |
| 06:40.56 | gravity | Kind of like "assman", like "I'm an assman, myself. I like the booty" |
| 06:41.00 | Justin__ | most of the other filesy ou dont have to touch |
| 06:41.10 | beta3 | Justin__: I have sip.conf setup |
| 06:41.11 | ecstatix | denon: ieure also has 2.4.x kernel |
| 06:41.20 | bob2 | denon: none of the netinst isos are "official", if that's what you mean. |
| 06:41.21 | beta3 | Justin__: it SHOULD allow me to connect to fwd |
| 06:41.27 | gravity | Aaaar! Me booty! |
| 06:41.58 | ecstatix | there's another netinst iso available specifically for some dell. |
| 06:41.59 | Justin__ | iax.conf seems to be important, i dunno if you need to use what it does, but yeah, sip.conf you have to change |
| 06:41.59 | denon | bob2: I got the impression some were more recommended than others (hence their being listed on debian.org). I'd rather install something from there than from some random mailing list, if you know what I mean :) |
| 06:42.10 | zms | hi |
| 06:42.11 | denon | ecstatix: yep, was looking at that one too |
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| 06:42.26 | beta3 | Justin__: what does ast man do for me |
| 06:42.28 | denon | mark or someone it was |
| 06:42.37 | wethion | bob2: edid exceedingly useful, thanks. Just entered it into my notebook in fact. |
| 06:42.39 | Justin__ | beta3: nothing yet, i think it manages calls |
| 06:42.43 | zms | is there xfree86-4.3 backport available for woody? |
| 06:42.46 | bob2 | wethion: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 06:42.46 | denon | iax.conf is used if you're using IAX .. sip.conf if you're using SIP .. |
| 06:42.49 | bob2 | zms: not atm |
| 06:42.54 | denon | you dont need both unless you're using both protocols |
| 06:42.55 | bob2 | wethion: automates it all |
| 06:43.01 | Justin__ | ah, cool |
| 06:43.04 | denon | astman is a client, you dont need it at all |
| 06:43.06 | beta3 | Justin__: sudo astman localhost |
| 06:43.25 | zms | no source other than people.debian.org/~mmagallo ? |
| 06:43.31 | Justin__ | and voicemail.conf you have to change |
| 06:43.36 | denon | only if you use voicemail |
| 06:43.44 | zms | that's what the searches lead me to. |
| 06:43.49 | Justin__ | i think he wants voicemail:) |
| 06:43.55 | ecstatix | denon: what sort of hardware are you installing it on? |
| 06:43.56 | denon | all you really need to touch is extensions.conf and sip/iax or zapata/zaptel stuff |
| 06:44.00 | wethion | bob2: I have just installed an ATI Radeon 9600, and have to use ATI's drivers, afaik, so I'm kinda SOL when it comes to quick and easy... |
| 06:44.15 | denon | ecstatix: ironically, some little dell poweredge 400SCs |
| 06:44.26 | wethion | besides, this is more fun. |
| 06:44.39 | beta3 | Justin__: there are configuration programs for the programs that don't need them, asterisk needs one |
| 06:44.51 | Justin__ | heh |
| 06:45.00 | beta3 | Justin__: it makes filling out a .config for a kernel by hand easy |
| 06:45.09 | ecstatix | denon: well, then go ahead and install from any netinst iso. the ieure and lordsutch's iso will do fine for the hardware. though i doubt there is lvm support. i am not really sure about lvm |
| 06:45.18 | wethion | If I wanted braindead, I'd go back to M$. |
| 06:45.24 | zms | is xfree86 4.3 part of sarge? (sorry if that question sounds stupid) |
| 06:45.25 | RainbowW | Where is the kernel option for USB mice? I have USB, USB HID, but no USB mice option that I can find. This is -not- a PS/2 mouse. |
| 06:45.32 | gravity | zms: Not yet, hopefully it will be |
| 06:45.48 | denon | ecstatix: so does the version of the installer/etc really matter, if I do an apt upgrade or whatever later? |
| 06:45.53 | zms | thanks gravity |
| 06:46.03 | denon | ecstatix: (does that really upgrade everything? sans the kernel I assume) |
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| 06:46.12 | zms | so what are you guys using? |
| 06:46.17 | deadcat | sid |
| 06:46.25 | gravity | zms: For what? |
| 06:46.43 | zms | sid, woody, sarge? and for X? |
| 06:46.57 | gravity | I'm using sid right now, sometimes I use woody |
| 06:47.12 | denon | aw man, lordsutch's iso is gone too |
| 06:47.16 | gravity | 4.3 is useless for me. I need 4.4 |
| 06:47.24 | denon | someone really outta update debian.org |
| 06:47.29 | ecstatix | denon: you install the base system, choose what you want to track, like stable, or unstable, edit your source.list for apt appropriately and do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:47.30 | zms | is there xfree 4.2 available for woody? |
| 06:47.43 | gravity | zms: apt-get.org will have the info on how to get it |
| 06:47.43 | bob2 | zms: yes |
| 06:47.44 | zms | denon: right said |
| 06:47.44 | ecstatix | denon: it will handle everything, _including_ your kernel upgrade |
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| 06:48.04 | zms | gravity: checking.. |
| 06:48.15 | denon | ecstatix: oh? I spose I just need to install the source packages to get that .. makes sense |
| 06:48.20 | denon | im used to old school thinking :) |
| 06:48.31 | denon | get the source .. compile .. update .. |
| 06:48.35 | denon | this whole package thing ...... :) |
| 06:48.40 | ecstatix | denon: yeah, you can choose to do that too |
| 06:48.52 | gravity | But why bother? |
| 06:48.53 | ecstatix | denon: all packages or only the kernel source for compile? |
| 06:49.04 | denon | well .. fbsd make world |
| 06:49.07 | denon | so everything |
| 06:49.33 | denon | I'll just use this dell one |
| 06:49.36 | denon | it cant be too far wrong |
| 06:49.40 | ecstatix | denon: well, if you want stuff that way, then maybe you'd look at gentoo/sourcemage/crux/arch linux |
| 06:49.41 | denon | 2.4.2 |
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| 06:50.09 | denon | ecstatix: yeah .. I like the looks of gentoo, but I have some debian running already, and I hate to run too much misc crap .. we dont run much linux as it is |
| 06:50.16 | Justin__ | beta3: if you run asterisk -r, then type dial 500 what happens? |
| 06:50.45 | denon | so we have solaris,sunos,hpux,freebsd,debian |
| 06:50.48 | denon | why bother adding another |
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| 06:51.41 | ecstatix | denon: well, then go ahead |
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| 06:51.53 | bob2 | you should run ENTERPRISE GENTOO |
| 06:51.53 | ecstatix | i am sure you have linux versed admins to do the install. |
| 06:52.02 | ecstatix | bob2: what is enterprise gentoo? |
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| 06:52.18 | bob2 | the legendary GENTOO stabiliy in a system specially designed for the ENTERPRISE. |
| 06:52.22 | gravity | Haha |
| 06:52.28 | deadcat | (= |
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| 06:52.44 | denon | nah, we're not big on linux as a whole .. fbsd is our main push |
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| 06:52.59 | deadcat | denon: we? |
| 06:53.06 | ecstatix | denon: anyway, good luck. go ahed and install |
| 06:53.19 | beta3 | Justin__: let me see |
| 06:53.27 | beta3 | Justin__: Im recompiling asterisk with a special nat patch |
| 06:53.38 | Justin__ | beta3: or i guess use gphone and dial 500 with that too |
| 06:54.03 | beta3 | Justin__: No such command 'dial' (type 'help' for help) |
| 06:54.13 | Justin__ | hmm? |
| 06:54.27 | deadcat | beta3: Justin__: are you guys talking about an answering machine using linux? whats the prog? |
| 06:54.36 | Justin__ | imac*CLI> dial 500 |
| 06:54.36 | Justin__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.46 | beta3 | deadcat: asterisk |
| 06:54.49 | deadcat | cool. |
| 06:54.51 | beta3 | Justin__: weird, I don't get that |
| 06:54.58 | Justin__ | beta3: sid? |
| 06:55.17 | beta3 | Justin__: yeah |
| 06:56.37 | gino | apt-get or dpkg ? |
| 06:56.50 | beta3 | Justin__: you did help me find something important tho |
| 06:56.56 | Justin__ | oh? |
| 06:57.23 | beta3 | Justin__: I think I know how to get kphone working with asterisk |
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| 06:58.22 | bob2 | deadcat: PBX software. |
| 06:58.32 | deadcat | cool. |
| 06:59.42 | ecstatix | how do you add mouse support to a ncurses application? |
| 07:00.11 | deadcat | i opened up my dwl650+ wireless card. anyone know what i need to add external connecter? those pigtail connecter thing. |
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| 07:01.47 | yaman | hello. im trying to get my wireless lan up... ive been able to load the broadcom drivers with ndiswrapper, and ive set the proper options with iwconfig. also, iwlink shows my access point in its scanning list... however, when i run ifconfig on the device, its still not connected... does anyone have any ideas that might help me figure out whats wrong? |
| 07:01.51 | bob2 | ecstatix: install gpm. |
| 07:02.20 | deadcat | yaman: dhcp or static ip? |
| 07:02.35 | arauko | anyone usng blackbox??.... |
| 07:02.38 | arauko | how good is it? |
| 07:02.44 | deadcat | ok |
| 07:02.58 | ecstatix | bob2: well, i have it installed. i was asking from the application developer's perspective. how do they add support for mouse? like some ncurses apps have mouse support, others dont |
| 07:03.04 | deadcat | fluxbox is better with tab support. |
| 07:03.17 | arauko | deadcat: ooh nice.. got ny link? |
| 07:03.23 | bob2 | ecstatix: oh, dunno. |
| 07:03.27 | sladegen | ecstatix: try: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/mouse.html |
| 07:03.28 | deadcat | arauko: fluxbox.org |
| 07:03.38 | ecstatix | sladegen: thanks! |
| 07:03.51 | ecstatix | sladegen: did'nt know there was a ncurses howto |
| 07:03.57 | arauko | deadcat: thks |
| 07:04.07 | arauko | deadcat: you using it? |
| 07:04.22 | yaman | deadcat: static ip |
| 07:04.28 | deadcat | arauko: no. wmaker here.. fluxbox when they have better support for scrolling mouse hehe |
| 07:04.40 | arauko | deadcat: :) |
| 07:04.42 | deadcat | yaman: wep key? |
| 07:04.47 | yaman | deadcat: yes |
| 07:04.50 | sladegen | or proly the same.... http://web.cs.mun.ca/~rod/ncurses/ncurses.html#mouse |
| 07:04.54 | arauko | deadcat: im looking for something in the middle, not too big neither too small |
| 07:05.21 | deadcat | arauko: look at xfce.org, fluxbox.org, you might like one of those |
| 07:05.29 | ecstatix | arauko: tried xfce or icewm? |
| 07:05.37 | ecstatix | arauko: xfce4 is lovely |
| 07:05.39 | arauko | deadcat: thks, ill look at those.. now checking fluxbox |
| 07:05.55 | arauko | ecstatix: thanks, ill look at those too |
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| 07:07.06 | deadcat | yaman: try to reload those setting again. i have to load them 2s to get it to work. |
| 07:07.31 | Justin__ | pwm! |
| 07:07.41 | helix | !gravity |
| 07:07.41 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp |
| 07:07.44 | bob2 | bah! |
| 07:07.47 | gravity | :-) |
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| 07:08.02 | speaker | Hi all- anyone using damnsmall linux (varation of debian) ? |
| 07:08.10 | Justin__ | beta3: kphone never asks for a password |
| 07:08.26 | bob2 | speaker: they probably have their own channel. |
| 07:08.27 | arauko | ecstatix: what is the site to xfce4? |
| 07:08.35 | speaker | looking for the sourcelist to apt-get openoffice- |
| 07:08.44 | speaker | bob2 thanks :-) |
| 07:08.50 | deadcat | arauko: xfce.org |
| 07:08.53 | bob2 | openoffice is in sarge. |
| 07:08.55 | bob2 | and sid. |
| 07:08.55 | ecstatix | arauko: xfce.org |
| 07:09.15 | arauko | thanks |
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| 07:09.33 | deadcat | arauko: i run that on my 400mhz laptop. to convince ppl to switch to debian+xfce4 hehehe |
| 07:09.34 | yaman | deadcat: you mean the iwconfig essid and iwconfig key commands? |
| 07:09.51 | arauko | deadcat: and it worked? :) |
| 07:09.53 | deadcat | yaman: ya.. although i have a function that does all those for me.. |
| 07:10.03 | deadcat | arauko: fot 3-4 (= |
| 07:10.10 | deadcat | ^fot^got |
| 07:10.11 | yaman | deadcat: you have the same card as me? |
| 07:10.21 | arauko | deadcat: cool |
| 07:10.29 | deadcat | yaman: dont know. i have a dwl650+ using acx100 |
| 07:10.36 | arauko | deadcat: yeah.. im reading now.. seems pretty cool, a lot of features |
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| 07:11.17 | deadcat | arauko: ya. very theme-able. but you cant run stuff in the root window though. )=. like xpenguins or root-tail |
| 07:11.19 | yaman | deadcat: what security mode is yours set to? |
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| 07:11.33 | deadcat | yaman: restricted with 128bit |
| 07:11.38 | arauko | deadcat: oooh.. |
| 07:11.46 | daralc | is there a pay-for-music solution for linux? |
| 07:11.59 | deadcat | yaman: deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?sysconfig and look for interfaces, i have my settings there. |
| 07:12.15 | arauko | deadcat: intentional i guess.. to avoid security risks? |
| 07:12.24 | deadcat | arauko: go to that ^^ page.. i have few screenshots of my xfce4 on my laptop. |
| 07:12.40 | arauko | deadcat: on it.. nice screenshots |
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| 07:13.00 | arauko | deadcat: seems better than most of the wm i checked |
| 07:13.22 | deadcat | arauko: depends of ppl's taste.. |
| 07:13.32 | arauko | deadcat: true |
| 07:13.42 | arauko | deadcat: i think thats what i was looking for |
| 07:13.57 | arauko | deadcat: ii was checkijg blackbox.. but.. i don`t know... |
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| 07:15.06 | arauko | deadcat: what about its support for mouse wheel? :) |
| 07:15.17 | deadcat | arauko: yes. (= |
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| 07:15.27 | ecstatix | deadcat: leftie? |
| 07:15.30 | arauko | cool |
| 07:15.38 | deadcat | ecstatix: whats the f is that?(= |
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| 07:15.51 | sladegen | well isnt wheel app specific really... |
| 07:16.30 | deadcat | sladegen: ya. but fluxbox doesnt support scrolling to shade the window. |
| 07:16.56 | Justin__ | deadcat: pwm does :-) |
| 07:17.07 | beta3 | so hot in here |
| 07:17.13 | Justin__ | you just bind something to button 4 or 5 |
| 07:17.16 | deadcat | Justin__: ya.. wmaker/xfce4 does too. thts why i dont use fluxbox eyt. (= |
| 07:17.17 | sladegen | ahhh nice then.... shade forever !-) |
| 07:17.19 | gravity | Eww |
| 07:17.20 | Justin__ | beta3: you get khone to connect? |
| 07:17.33 | RainbowW | Shouldn't the mouse appear in the listing in /proc/bus/usb/devices, if it's being detected? |
| 07:17.55 | arauko | RainbowW: yes |
| 07:17.58 | deadcat | Justin__: i am too laz to click. i want to scrol the mouse to shade.. |
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| 07:18.19 | deadcat | RainbowW: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 07:18.26 | Justin__ | deadcat: i have double click shade, and wheel maximizes it horizontall or vertically |
| 07:18.41 | deadcat | cool. |
| 07:18.48 | sladegen | but fvwm is nice in its genericity... good wm has to be generic. then one sticks with it and in time adopts it to his own tastes whims... not authors ideas on what wm is supposed to do or not. |
| 07:18.52 | RainbowW | deadcat: don't i wish. |
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| 07:19.10 | RainbowW | deadcat: It's apparently not being recognized, which is problematic, as you might guyess. |
| 07:19.36 | Justin__ | RainbowW: install hotplug? |
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| 07:19.57 | deadcat | RainbowW: module loaded? usbmouse i think. |
| 07:19.58 | RainbowW | Justin__: already installed. Rebooting now to make sure it's right ... it may not have been. Hotplug for 2.6.0? |
| 07:20.17 | Justin__ | RainbowW: if you are using 2.6.0, you compiled it yourself... |
| 07:20.20 | RainbowW | deadcat: Where is the switch in menuconfig? I'm not finding it and I dunno why. |
| 07:20.29 | Justin__ | and likely left out the usb stuff ... |
| 07:20.31 | yaman | deadcat: just curious, when you do `iwlist eth0` do you have a value for Link Quality: and Noise? |
| 07:20.33 | deadcat | RainbowW: dont know. just modprobe it |
| 07:20.50 | RainbowW | deadcat: Where is the switch to compile the module tho? |
| 07:21.03 | deadcat | yaman: iwlist dont work for me. i use wavemon and iwconfig only. kismet works too heheh |
| 07:21.19 | deadcat | RainbowW: switch? let me check my .config |
| 07:21.24 | RainbowW | Justin__: Only the mouse. It sees the other USB stuff, like the modem ... |
| 07:21.45 | bob2 | RainbowW: HID support in USB |
| 07:21.49 | bob2 | RainbowW: and "input core". |
| 07:21.52 | bob2 | RainbowW: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 07:21.57 | deadcat | RainbowW: CONFIG_USB_MOUSE=m |
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| 07:22.11 | deadcat | RainbowW: # USB Human Interface Devices (HID) <-- under here |
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| 07:22.50 | RainbowW | bob2: Both HID and input core are on. There are other anomolies, so it may be my .config is corrupt? For example, I can't get anything under Fusion MPT device support, when I press select. |
| 07:23.16 | yaman | deadcat: i see. well, your configuration taught me how to use wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces, but it still doesnt work with my card :( |
| 07:23.27 | bob2 | RainbowW: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 07:23.32 | RainbowW | bob2: Yes. |
| 07:23.46 | bob2 | RainbowW: the Fusion stuff probably depends on something else that you don't have installed, but I couldn't guess what. |
| 07:23.48 | calamari_ | anyone know of an installation control system for linux.. for example I'd run a program before I installed something, then when I was done I would terminate it. Any changes during that session could be undone (files/dir's created, files/dir's changed) |
| 07:24.07 | RainbowW | Tell ya what. Looks like it's time for a backup of .config just in case, a mrproper, and a retry. |
| 07:24.17 | deadcat | yaman: damn.. i usually load it 2s and thats all. have you tried without wep? |
| 07:24.20 | jm_ | calamari_: dpkg |
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| 07:25.09 | calamari_ | jm: if I understand your suggestion, that wouldn't help if I compiled something myself and did a "make install" |
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| 07:25.23 | bob2 | calamari_: use checkinstall |
| 07:25.24 | bob2 | calamari_: or package it yourself. |
| 07:25.40 | sladegen | calamari_: installwatch.... at the extreme |
| 07:25.45 | jm_ | calamari_: you can use checkinstall, then there are install replacements that keep track of it |
| 07:25.46 | yaman | deadcat: on |
| 07:25.49 | yaman | deadcat: no |
| 07:26.41 | calamari_ | great! thank you guys :) |
| 07:26.54 | deadcat | yaman: sorry. my wireless knowledge only go so far.. maybe Justin__ or cafuego can help you.. |
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| 07:26.59 | jm_ | assuming make install uses install tool anyway |
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| 07:27.22 | honda | hey.. how or where do i look to make sure the kernel realizes my network card is in place |
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| 07:27.38 | deadcat | honda: dmesg |
| 07:27.43 | [LuPoZ]CreatorX | guten tag |
| 07:27.59 | bob2 | honda: dmesg. |
| 07:28.19 | yaman | cafuego, Justin__ : want to get a little closer? |
| 07:28.43 | sladegen | jm_: not really... installwatch/checkinstall intercepts system calls... important thing is used programs must not be statically linked from what i've read/understood |
| 07:28.58 | calamari_ | was just reading that too :| |
| 07:28.58 | deadcat | yaman: HAHHAHAH |
| 07:29.00 | Justin__ | yaman: paste iwconfig nd ifconfig into #flood |
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| 07:30.10 | honda | so then if it reconizes it and can't talk to the dhcp server but the cable is good... where might the problem lie? i did recently install dc_gui (not sure if that would interfear.... |
| 07:30.38 | cheecheeo | is there a curses frontend for the mule network? |
| 07:30.38 | helix | bob2: bleh to your blockage |
| 07:30.53 | yaman | deadcat: :) thanks for the help |
| 07:31.01 | Justin__ | yaman: ping 192.168.0.7 |
| 07:31.06 | bob2 | honda: /msg dpkg kernel options for dhcp |
| 07:31.11 | bob2 | helix: it was a good reply, too. |
| 07:31.12 | yaman | Justin__: from a different computer? |
| 07:31.18 | Justin__ | no |
| 07:31.19 | bob2 | helix: naye, a GREAT reply. |
| 07:31.24 | helix | yeah yeah |
| 07:31.53 | helix | i'm referring to your msg crap |
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| 07:31.53 | yaman | Justin__: well it works, but its going through eth0.. tcpdump says so |
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| 07:32.05 | Justin__ | yaman: is eth0 on 192.168.0.x? |
| 07:32.10 | yaman | Justin__: yes |
| 07:32.14 | Justin__ | dont do that |
| 07:32.18 | yaman | Justin__: but even when eth0 is down, it doesnt work |
| 07:32.19 | Justin__ | put wireless on 192.168.1.x |
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| 07:32.25 | yaman | Justin__: i dont think i can... |
| 07:32.31 | Justin__ | why not? |
| 07:32.31 | yaman | Justin__: its a router setting, no? |
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| 07:32.43 | Justin__ | oh |
| 07:33.01 | Justin__ | accoring to what you pasted, its never tried to use it |
| 07:33.09 | yaman | Justin__: the card? |
| 07:33.12 | Justin__ | yeah |
| 07:33.16 | Justin__ | all the numbers are 0! |
| 07:33.26 | Justin__ | which i don't think is normal |
| 07:33.31 | exobyte | can mount be used to mount a .bin/.cue file? |
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| 07:33.43 | Justin__ | exobyte: you dont need to mount it |
| 07:34.20 | exobyte | Justin__: why not? |
| 07:34.20 | yaman | Justin__: because i reloaded it... i know, thats definitely not normal.. and i think the problem lies with Link Quality being 0 |
| 07:34.20 | Justin__ | bin cues are almost alwas vcds, which you can just play |
| 07:34.20 | [LuPoZ]CreatorX | anybody german? |
| 07:34.20 | yaman | Justin__: well its normal in the sense that its just been loaded :) |
| 07:34.20 | [LuPoZ]CreatorX | please |
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| 07:34.33 | Justin__ | yaman: run wavemon, is the first bar 0/90 o rwhatever? |
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| 07:34.50 | Nurbs | [LuPoZ]CreatorX: /msg dpkg german |
| 07:34.51 | gravity | [LuPoZ]CreatorX: #debian-de |
| 07:34.53 | exobyte | Justin__: well- lets's say it's an image of starcraft, which I want to emulate (I have a legit copy of starcraft) |
| 07:34.54 | Justin__ | i think thats link qulity, i forget, but its the one that matters |
| 07:34.55 | yaman | Justin__: when i run wavemon, i get fatal error; failed to get range information |
| 07:35.04 | Justin__ | heh |
| 07:35.08 | Invisible_Optik | Anyone have problems with the asus A7n266-vm and chipset drivers and Debian? I know that nvidia has some RPM's for REdhat and Mandrake, but I am looking to switch to Debian |
| 07:35.16 | Justin__ | either you are way to far away, or that driver doesnt work |
| 07:35.17 | Nurbs | [LuPoZ]CreatorX: #debian.de :) |
| 07:35.18 | [LuPoZ]CreatorX | thx @ gravity |
| 07:35.23 | yaman | [LuPoZ]CreatorX: nein |
| 07:35.43 | [LuPoZ]CreatorX | thx @all :) |
| 07:36.25 | yaman | Justin__: im three feet away :-{ |
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| 07:39.22 | yaman | how do i find the BusID of a pci device? |
| 07:39.44 | yaman | i have 0x0001 from scanpci |
| 07:39.55 | yaman | but i dont know how that translates into XF86Config-4 language :) |
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| 07:40.11 | bob2 | don't bother, leave it blank. |
| 07:40.17 | maffelu | VENDETTA! |
| 07:40.24 | yaman | bob2: it cant find the device..- |
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| 07:41.51 | yaman | deadcat: what card are you using again? is it pcmcia? |
| 07:42.25 | deadcat | yaman: dlink dwl650+ using acx100 driver |
| 07:43.04 | deadcat | yaman: http://www.linuxant.com/company/ this MIGHT help. doubt it though |
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| 07:43.51 | deadcat | yaman: nice essid. hehehe.. very creative |
| 07:44.27 | jason_ | hmm, btdownloadgui shows up as "python2.2", thus you cannot "killall btdownloadgui". is there any other way to accomplish that? |
| 07:45.02 | deadcat | jason_: kill -9 pid ? |
| 07:45.14 | Xenocide | you could tell a specific process number to die |
| 07:45.16 | deadcat | jason_: or killall python2.2 |
| 07:45.21 | yaman | deadcat: WHOREHOUSENET? thats not actually my ssid.. hehe |
| 07:45.26 | Xenocide | unless it respawns things |
| 07:45.45 | deadcat | yaman: arg (=its mine now.. patten it. heheh |
| 07:45.47 | Xenocide | recovering from a forkbomb properly can be diffficult |
| 07:45.48 | yaman | deadcat: is it a pcmcia card? |
| 07:45.53 | yaman | deadcat: lol |
| 07:45.57 | deadcat | yaman: mine is |
| 07:46.05 | jason_ | deadcat: hmm, actually i was looking more for a way to do "killall -s SIGSTOP" and then later "killall -s SIGCONT" from a cronjob, but the problem is that I don't know the pid's |
| 07:46.32 | deadcat | jason_: grep and awk does |
| 07:46.33 | Justin__ | jason_: skill or pkill or whatnot should work |
| 07:46.36 | Justin__ | killall sucks |
| 07:46.37 | jason_ | deadcat: or perhaps I could just wrap btdownloadgui in a shell script which would put its pid in a file? |
| 07:46.40 | Xenocide | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:46.51 | jason_ | deadcat: ahh, why didn't I think of that! |
| 07:46.58 | jason_ | Justin__: thnks, will look into that |
| 07:47.32 | deadcat | jason_: murder(1) is cool too (= |
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| 07:47.52 | yaman | ok, wireless later then... on to X |
| 07:48.00 | deadcat | hehe |
| 07:48.42 | jason_ | deadcat: hmm, not getting anything from apt-cache search murder |
| 07:49.37 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:49.41 | RainbowW | there's no option for CONFIG_USB_MOUSE in 2.6 apparently? I've added it three times to .config and it's gotten removed each time I've run make ... |
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| 07:50.40 | deadcat | RainbowW: i think its part of something else in 2.6. which makes usb mouse work without loading anything.. |
| 07:50.43 | jason_ | Justin__: excellent, pkill -f "python2.2 /usr/bin/btdownloadgui" was exactly what i needed |
| 07:50.55 | deadcat | thats what i read from a 2.6 test howto |
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| 07:53.29 | yaman | when I run xf86cfg, i get this message at the end: XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. |
| 07:53.45 | deadcat | yaman: dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 |
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| 07:54.46 | yaman | deadcat: i cant run that if dpkg is running? |
| 07:54.49 | arauko | to be able to run any wm im force to install x-window-system-core ? |
| 07:54.52 | jason_ | deadcat: are you the irc'er formerly known as greycat? |
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| 07:54.54 | deadcat | if any of you interested in a 11G card. fry's has a airlink+ 11G for $40 no rebate |
| 07:55.09 | deadcat | jason_: no that dude is still here. (= |
| 07:55.13 | arauko | i mean.. isn`t there any others lightweight packages? |
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| 07:55.36 | bob2 | arauko: what? have you looked at what it Depends on? |
| 07:55.37 | jason_ | deadcat: i assume it has linux support? |
| 07:55.45 | L00thar | Again: Could someone please explain to me if there is some common denominator behind how some X/Gnome programs stop loading when run from GUI -- but run just fine when launched from the commandline? Let's say a program ran fine from GUI before an apt-get upgrade, but suddenly now must be run from console. |
| 07:55.54 | deadcat | jason_: not sure. thats why i want you guys to try out first (= |
| 07:55.56 | deadcat | hahahah |
| 07:56.00 | jason_ | lol |
| 07:56.08 | arauko | bob2 yeah... but i was just asking if theres been other lightweight options |
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| 07:56.24 | bob2 | arauko: look at it. what do you think is optional? |
| 07:56.28 | yaman | deadcat: its not showing my driver in the list! |
| 07:56.57 | deadcat | yaman: try this list: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html |
| 07:57.00 | ercin | is here some sylpeed user ? |
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| 07:57.15 | arauko | bob2 look where?... apt-cache search x-window-system-core? |
| 07:57.35 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: DISPLAY in your WM has gotten mucked. |
| 07:57.39 | yaman | deadcat: X |
| 07:57.43 | arauko | bob2 i mean, not optional for it, optional for the wm |
| 07:57.43 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: well, most likely anyway. |
| 07:57.55 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: That could very well be the problem. |
| 07:58.05 | azreal | is it just me, or is the menu package annoying? |
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| 07:58.16 | RainbowW | What does the hotplug error mean: input pci** can't synthesize pci hotplug events usb** can't synthesize root hub events". Am I missing yet another kernel option? |
| 07:58.32 | bob2 | arauko: what are you talking about? |
| 07:58.41 | dondelelcaro | azreal: ? |
| 07:58.49 | arauko | bob2 i get it.. :) |
| 07:58.50 | bob2 | arauko: x-window-system-core is the minimum stuff you need to get an X server running on a local machine. |
| 07:59.20 | arauko | bob2 yup.. i know that.. but i was asking if theres something more minimal than it |
| 07:59.23 | L00thar | Ever since I've left my village, they've been looking for their lost idiot. |
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| 07:59.34 | bob2 | arauko: it's defined as the minimum. |
| 07:59.44 | arauko | bob2 thanks |
| 07:59.44 | dondelelcaro | arauko: yes, there is, but if you can't figure out how to install it, you shouldn't bother. |
| 08:00.05 | azreal | dondelelcaro: after i installed menu, because fluxbox wanted it, i had to figure out how it had screwed up my local wmaker menu from working |
| 08:00.26 | arauko | dondelelcaro youre talking about a package?.. or somethng custom created by myself? |
| 08:00.28 | zms | gravity? |
| 08:00.40 | azreal | dondelelcaro: apparently, after purgeing menu, it still left behind traces of stuff to cause problems |
| 08:00.43 | dondelelcaro | arauko: if you don't know specifics, just install x-window-system-core |
| 08:00.56 | deadcat | azreal: why not just rm -r ~/GNUstep? |
| 08:00.59 | arauko | dondelelcaro get it... thks |
| 08:01.03 | dondelelcaro | azreal: that's probably because the wmaker menu has ben adjusted. |
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| 08:01.16 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Any linx to the clearest dox on DISPLAY? One of the things holding me -- and milions of people -- back in GNUnix is Documentation Hell... |
| 08:01.19 | dondelelcaro | azreal: the debian menu system installs itself into the system wide menu files by default. |
| 08:01.22 | azreal | deadcat: because it has all of my user setting, that i prefer |
| 08:01.24 | zms | gravity: I installed Xfree86 4.2 and have been able to work with woody!! Thank you! |
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| 08:01.53 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: DISPLAY is just the environmental variable that tells an xclient which X server to connect to. |
| 08:02.06 | yaman | i havent |
| 08:02.06 | ercin | any sylpheed user ? |
| 08:02.23 | streuner | ercin: /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:02.34 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: man X; read about DISPLAY NAMES |
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| 08:02.38 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Ya, but it got messed-up some time ago, and I don't really know how to go about fixing it. It's set for the non-root user. |
| 08:02.47 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: I will start there. |
| 08:03.00 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: uh, it should be set for user currently using the X server. |
| 08:03.01 | Penguin32 | can someone point me to a page please, were I can download a glibc 2.3 package |
| 08:03.03 | ercin | in message windows when i user numeric -enter- it does not act as enter :) |
| 08:03.12 | ercin | can someone correct this ? |
| 08:03.14 | bob2 | Penguin32: no. |
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| 08:03.18 | azreal | dondelelcaro: if i were to define my local menu in ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMRootmenu, would that solve the problem, as it is set to "menu.hook", which i do not really understand |
| 08:03.19 | bob2 | Penguin32: why do you want to that? |
| 08:03.23 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: you should _NOT_ be using X as root |
| 08:03.30 | Penguin32 | bob2: because ymessenger demands it |
| 08:03.30 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: I don't. |
| 08:03.32 | dondelelcaro | azreal: yes. |
| 08:03.52 | deadcat | ercin: do you have to turn the numlock thing on? |
| 08:03.56 | bob2 | Penguin32: that won't help. find a version of it for woody. |
| 08:03.57 | azreal | dondelelcaro: to solve that before, i had allways just removed the "menu.hook" statement |
| 08:04.04 | azreal | dondelelcaro: k, thanx |
| 08:04.12 | ercin | deadcat, that must not matter |
| 08:04.20 | deadcat | o |
| 08:04.20 | Penguin32 | bob2: yeah well its a bit odd I agree, but this is the version they are offering for woody |
| 08:04.30 | gravity | zms: Great to hear. :-) |
| 08:04.36 | Penguin32 | bob2: tried to find an older version without success |
| 08:05.22 | bob2 | Penguin32: it won't work on woody. |
| 08:05.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: 2.6? do you only have to get module-*-tools right? |
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| 08:05.38 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no, using 2.4.23-ben1 |
| 08:05.42 | deadcat | o |
| 08:05.47 | deadcat | ben1? |
| 08:05.48 | Molls | speak spanish?? |
| 08:05.52 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 08:05.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 08:05.56 | Molls | alguien habla espa?ol |
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| 08:06.03 | betrieb | i try to compile 2.6 with debian testing i ran into problems i think because of gcc 3.3 any ideas on that? |
| 08:06.03 | Molls | ok |
| 08:06.05 | Penguin32 | bob2: it does work, I had it running before I did my reinstall, but I don't know were I got the package from now |
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| 08:06.17 | RainbowW | betrieb: Use 2.95. |
| 08:06.19 | bob2 | Penguin32: glibc 2.3 is from sid. please don't install it on woody. |
| 08:06.31 | bob2 | betrieb: 2.95 is still the recommended kernel compiler. |
| 08:06.50 | streuner | betrieb: 2.95 is ok. |
| 08:06.52 | Penguin32 | bob2: you convince yahoo to use the correct version and I will go along with you |
| 08:06.57 | betrieb | how can i get 2.95 with testing? |
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| 08:07.25 | RainbowW | betrieb: apt-get install gcc-2.95 |
| 08:07.27 | dondelelcaro | Penguin32: yahoo? |
| 08:07.43 | streuner | !info gcc-2.95 sarge |
| 08:07.55 | bob2 | betrieb: /msg dpkg 2.4bug |
| 08:07.56 | dpkg | gcc-2.95: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:2.95.4-19 (sarge), Packaged size: 914 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
| 08:07.59 | Penguin32 | dondelelcaro: see above |
| 08:08.01 | betrieb | oh that easy? :-) |
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| 08:09.20 | yaman | where the heck does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write to? after running it i still have no XF86Config file |
| 08:09.35 | yaman | XF86Config-4 even |
| 08:09.37 | bob2 | scottlu: turn that off. |
| 08:09.39 | Penguin32 | Will someone give me a link were I can download a glibc 2.3 package please |
| 08:09.41 | streuner | !tell scottlu about away |
| 08:09.43 | bob2 | yaman: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:09.50 | yaman | bob2: its not there |
| 08:10.07 | bob2 | yaman: did it actually ask you for info? |
| 08:10.11 | yaman | bob2: yes |
| 08:10.11 | bob2 | yaman: no errors? |
| 08:10.15 | yaman | bob2: no errors |
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| 08:10.57 | dondelelcaro | Penguin32: use gaim, not ymessenger. |
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| 08:11.16 | dondelelcaro | Penguin32: or recompile ymessenger to use the version of libc that's actually in woody. |
| 08:11.16 | Penguin32 | I wll use what I want to use thx dondelelcaro |
| 08:11.19 | Penguin32 | gaim sucks |
| 08:11.19 | krayzone | hey waz up room, im new to debian, and i just booted up and i get a enterrunlevel, now sure what that means, can anyone help me? |
| 08:11.21 | cafuego | streuner: I got gnome working. yay me. |
| 08:11.21 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure just upgrading libc6 will horribly break things. |
| 08:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Penguin32: well, if you upgrade libc, you _WILL_ break your system. |
| 08:11.35 | streuner | cafuego: hm, what was it? |
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| 08:11.41 | bob2 | krayzone: it prints the text "enterrunlevel"? |
| 08:11.45 | krayzone | yeah |
| 08:11.56 | Penguin32 | no I won't as I know it works, I did it previously, ran for months without problem |
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| 08:11.58 | krayzone | andi have to enter a number, but not to sure what number to enter |
| 08:12.06 | cafuego | streuner: No idea, I resorted to a fresh reinstall. |
| 08:12.25 | cafuego | streuner: obviously soemthing got corrupted somewhere |
| 08:12.29 | streuner | cafuego: something was fscked in that system. |
| 08:12.42 | cafuego | yah |
| 08:12.44 | zamolxes | hello. i have this big problem here. i migrated this small network server from slackware 8.1 to woody. It connects to the internet through a ppp connection, and should act as a gateway for the other computers. |
| 08:12.56 | zamolxes | iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 08:13.14 | cafuego | zamolxes: -I requires a number param. |
| 08:13.17 | zamolxes | this is the iptables rule that did the job. it worked on the old system, don't really know what's wrong.. |
| 08:13.20 | zamolxes | oh. |
| 08:13.24 | bob2 | krayzone: that's not anything in the default install. |
| 08:13.25 | zamolxes | it was an older version, params changed |
| 08:13.27 | bob2 | krayzone: enter 2. |
| 08:13.28 | zamolxes | ? |
| 08:13.29 | krayzone | its not |
| 08:13.36 | krayzone | all ok |
| 08:13.48 | zamolxes | cafuego: it was an older version and params changed? |
| 08:13.48 | bob2 | what? |
| 08:13.50 | cafuego | zamolxes: use 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE' |
| 08:13.54 | krayzone | so if i enter 2, it sits and does nothing, i enter 5 and it said no more process left in this process |
| 08:13.55 | betrieb | okay i did remove gcc-3.3 and install gcc-2.95 but gcc -v still says 3.3.2 how to make 2.95 default? |
| 08:14.08 | bob2 | krayzone: so remove whatever's doing it. |
| 08:14.11 | cafuego | zamolxes: No, -I has always required a rule number to enter. |
| 08:14.13 | bob2 | betrieb: read what people tell you. |
| 08:14.19 | bob2 | betrieb: /msg dpkg 2.4bug |
| 08:14.25 | krayzone | well how do i know whats doing it? |
| 08:14.30 | streuner | betrieb: change the symlink of gcc to 2.95 |
| 08:14.39 | zamolxes | ok, let's see thanks. i'm not really a network administrator, more like a programmer, this is a 'home server' hope i'm not troubeling you with my question. let me check now.. |
| 08:14.40 | RainbowW | betrieb: You don't need to remove 3.3.2. 2.95 will coexist nicely. Meanwhile, do as bob2 says and learn to edit Makefiles. |
| 08:14.45 | krayzone | well ill telk you what, im fin to enter 2 and ill be back if i have any problems, but thanks for the information you gave me |
| 08:15.11 | bob2 | that was silly. |
| 08:15.14 | dondelelcaro | or at least learn how to CC="gcc-2.95" make foo |
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| 08:15.18 | bob2 | he installed something specially to do that. |
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| 08:16.12 | Anarion | i installed the freeswan kernel patch but i still get the error Kernel support for ipsec not found |
| 08:16.24 | betrieb | bob2: okay thank u that will help i think |
| 08:16.28 | Anarion | why doesn't it work? |
| 08:16.31 | dondelelcaro | Anarion: uh, did you build a kernel with the patch? |
| 08:16.40 | bob2 | betrieb: yes. |
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| 08:16.46 | cafuego | Anarion: You didn't patch the kernel? You didn't enable ipsec in the config? |
| 08:17.08 | Anarion | actually nope i just installed the patch via dpkg |
| 08:17.20 | cafuego | well |
| 08:17.26 | dondelelcaro | Anarion: you need to build a kernel with the patch applied then. |
| 08:17.34 | Anarion | ou well and how;) |
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| 08:17.45 | yaman | hmm... how come the list in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt show the radeon module? |
| 08:17.54 | RainbowW | this is pissing me off |
| 08:17.57 | zamolxes | cafuego: well as I see the rule number isn't mandatory , it uses the default 1 if none specified. |
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| 08:18.16 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
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| 08:19.15 | yaman | AntiProxy: query |
| 08:19.16 | zamolxes | cafuego: and using -o ppp0 didn't change anything. anyways, it worked before i don't know what's wrong.. eth0 is up, (in fact i am on the test workstation right know, working with a ssh client on the server) |
| 08:19.17 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:19.33 | AntiProxy | there's a dependency problem with fetchmail/fetchmailconf which i'm trying to override, but simply the -f switch isn't cutting it |
| 08:19.39 | streuner | cafuego: well, KDE didn't work too, so my guess was rather X... |
| 08:19.53 | AntiProxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.04 | bob2 | AntiProxy: sid? |
| 08:20.14 | AntiProxy | bob2: yup |
| 08:20.21 | bob2 | AntiProxy: file a bug. |
| 08:20.30 | bob2 | AntiProxy: apt-get -f would never help with a problem like that. |
| 08:20.35 | AntiProxy | well, that's one long term solution .) |
| 08:20.47 | AntiProxy | what about a quicker one for now? or it's just not possible with apt? |
| 08:20.48 | bob2 | AntiProxy: use the previous version. |
| 08:21.01 | AntiProxy | i'll have to add the testing sources.. |
| 08:21.07 | AntiProxy | i miss packages.debian.org |
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| 08:21.12 | AntiProxy | heh, i'd have been done by now |
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| 08:21.16 | simonrvn | finally updated my spamassassin config =) |
| 08:21.19 | osho | hi |
| 08:21.58 | bob2 | AntiProxy: no, you don't need testing. install the previous version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:21.59 | cafuego | streuner: yeah, except X worked fine with any standalone wm. |
| 08:22.16 | AntiProxy | bob2: i have apt-proxy installed, it cleaned up the old version ( i looked ) |
| 08:22.28 | cafuego | zamolxes: What is the outgoing interface? eth0 or ppp0? or eth1? |
| 08:22.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: Can you msg me your irssi startup cfg? |
| 08:22.58 | streuner | cafuego: hm, yep - so it should be a package which is necessary for KDE and GNOME? |
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| 08:23.23 | cafuego | streuner: yeah, I had both fully instaleld, so a package for both, which managed to root itself somehow. |
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| 08:23.30 | zamolxes | cafuego: the ougoing interface is ppp0. the workstations access the server through eth0. |
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| 08:23.59 | cafuego | zamolxes: Then what I pasted will work correctly on the server, provided you don't have any other rules in the POSTROUTING table. |
| 08:24.05 | Groundy | libatm-dev1 : trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libatm.so', which is also in package atm-dev ?? should i uninstall atm-dev 1st ? |
| 08:24.08 | Chameleon21 | hi all |
| 08:24.19 | bob2 | AntiProxy: dang. |
| 08:24.23 | bob2 | Groundy: file a bug. |
| 08:24.34 | zamolxes | cafuego: oh. let me check. i could have some rules i accidentaly put trying to 'fix' it |
| 08:24.46 | AntiProxy | bob2: doing that.. i think snapshot.debian.org should solve my case for now though... checking as we speak |
| 08:24.50 | bob2 | Groundy: if someone hasn't already. |
| 08:24.52 | bob2 | AntiProxy: .net |
| 08:24.55 | cafuego | zamolxes: After that rule is in place, you need to enable ip forwarding in the kernel too. |
| 08:25.03 | Groundy | bob2: checking now, |
| 08:25.13 | Anarion | well if i just take the 2.6er kernel it won't work i guess ? |
| 08:25.16 | AntiProxy | bob2: sorry, yeah that .) |
| 08:25.25 | Groundy | bob2: i assume that it's an old version of atm-dev, that has not yet 'lost' the file |
| 08:25.25 | cafuego | zamolxes: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 08:25.45 | bob2 | Groundy: looks like it. |
| 08:25.56 | bob2 | Groundy: or maybe that libatm-dev should Replace: atm-dev, but doesn't. |
| 08:26.10 | Groundy | bob2: yea, |
| 08:26.23 | Groundy | bob2: the bugs page for atm-dev seems to think it's a meta-package |
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| 08:27.27 | bob2 | Groundy: do you need atm-dev and libatm1-dev installed at the same time? |
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| 08:27.29 | zamolxes | cafuego: ugh that was the problem. thanks. can I read some docs on that? i don't want to run into this sort of problems in the future. thanks again |
| 08:27.33 | Chameleon21 | we are running a webserver in our office and DNS records are updated and everything is working fine from the outside. However when i try to enter our external ip or dns name in to the browser from inside the LAN i get request timed out, how can i fix that ? |
| 08:27.43 | Groundy | bob2: i think atm-dev requires libatm-dev1 |
| 08:28.00 | Anarion | will it work if i just take a new 2.6er kernel from kernel.org compile it and use it with woody? |
| 08:28.05 | RainbowW | Chameleon21: investigate split horizon dns. |
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| 08:28.19 | jm_ | Anarion: of course not |
| 08:28.28 | Paul | can i purge and remove all packages from my system at the same time? |
| 08:28.51 | bob2 | !depends atm-dev |
| 08:28.55 | dpkg | atm-dev: depends on libatm1-dev |
| 08:28.58 | jm_ | Paul: no, you can't remove all packages |
| 08:28.58 | bob2 | Paul: no. |
| 08:28.59 | Anarion | so what shall i do*g* |
| 08:29.10 | Paul | how about most of them? |
| 08:29.13 | bob2 | Anarion: what do you want to do? |
| 08:29.14 | bob2 | Paul: WHY? |
| 08:29.20 | cafuego | zamolxes: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/* |
| 08:29.25 | jm_ | you need to find out what new tools 2.6 requires and then see if it's available for woody somewhere |
| 08:29.31 | Anarion | well i need klips |
| 08:29.41 | Paul | so i can upgrade to unstable? |
| 08:29.54 | bob2 | Paul: why would you want to remove everything to do that? |
| 08:29.56 | streuner | it's basically only module-init-tools what you need for 2.6.0 |
| 08:30.08 | bob2 | is woody's binutils recent enough? |
| 08:30.14 | Molls | ALGUIEN QUE ME AYUDE A INSTALAR EL GAIM ????????????????????? |
| 08:30.21 | yaman | WOW. |
| 08:30.22 | cafuego | NO SE!@!!! |
| 08:30.22 | Paul | because one packages must have firewalled my box and i don't know what it was |
| 08:30.31 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 08:30.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 08:30.32 | streuner | If you using DHCP you need to compile dhcp-client (backport), then you need a backport for debhelper |
| 08:30.35 | cafuego | !tell Molls about spanish |
| 08:30.42 | Paul | and now i can't get online with the box |
| 08:30.43 | bob2 | Molls: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 08:30.47 | Anarion | i can just take a 2.4 version and patch it.... |
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| 08:31.00 | bob2 | Anarion: 2.4 version of what? |
| 08:31.08 | yaman | bob2: i love you. |
| 08:31.09 | cafuego | POR FAVOR USEN #DEBIAN-ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 08:31.21 | yaman | cafuego: i love you too. |
| 08:31.21 | bob2 | Paul: shorewall? ipmasq? read your bootup messages. |
| 08:31.23 | Zap-W | what program is usually responsible for setting enviroment MAIL="/var/mail/user" ? |
| 08:31.25 | bob2 | yaman: and I love you too! |
| 08:31.30 | bob2 | Zap-W: bash. |
| 08:31.34 | cafuego | yaman: hablas dildomania usted? |
| 08:31.35 | jm_ | Zap-W: login |
| 08:31.43 | Zap-W | !@ |
| 08:31.44 | dpkg | it has been said that @ is where it's at |
| 08:31.57 | yaman | cafuego: do i speak dildo? all i know is hablas is speak and usted is a title... i dont dildo... |
| 08:32.12 | gravity | feh on your bash |
| 08:32.14 | Zap-W | i ment from what file does it usually read it |
| 08:32.23 | jm_ | spool file |
| 08:32.31 | Anarion | of the kernel i just need to get freeswan working and this as fast as possible |
| 08:32.36 | Zap-W | i dont see it in .bashrc , or .bash_profile or /etc/profile |
| 08:32.40 | cafuego | Zap-W: It doesn't. it get set via pam I expect |
| 08:32.42 | adamhall | dildo? |
| 08:32.43 | menteco | where can I get a debian package for hdrbench? |
| 08:33.08 | yaman | who has a lovely X4.3 deb repository for me? |
| 08:33.18 | bob2 | zssssssssssssssssh. |
| 08:33.25 | jm_ | yes, it's set by login |
| 08:33.26 | bob2 | Anarion: freeswan or ipsec? |
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| 08:33.34 | streuner | *cough* /msg dpkg xf4.3 debs *cough* |
| 08:33.49 | Anarion | well freeswan |
| 08:33.52 | bob2 | !+xf4.3 debs |
| 08:33.52 | dpkg | XF4.3 debs are avaiable at deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/{woody},{sarge},{sid}/i386 ./ (sources.line), keep in mind that these debs are NOT maintained. |
| 08:33.53 | gravity | bob2: Yep :-) |
| 08:34.01 | bob2 | Anarion: why? |
| 08:34.03 | yaman | wow, its not even funny how i have a 33 line log with dpkg and i never though of the abbreviation xf4.3. thanks. |
| 08:34.11 | bob2 | Anarion: freeswan doesn'tr work with 2.5 |
| 08:34.19 | gravity | Or you can wait a week (hopefully) for the 4.3 debs to hit sid |
| 08:34.21 | Paul | bob2, well im watching when it boots... and it looks like rp_filter starts just before it tries to get the dhcp address? |
| 08:34.24 | Anarion | coz i want a vpn:) |
| 08:34.48 | bob2 | Anarion: do you know the difference between ipsec and freeswan? |
| 08:35.10 | Anarion | actually i don't nope:) |
| 08:35.17 | Paul | oh nevermind.. i see the problem... it can't find my module for the network card |
| 08:35.20 | Paul | thats odd... |
| 08:36.55 | zamolxes | hmm it seems an awful amount of virii are sent from this network over email. I want to cut the access from people inside to outside smtp servers. How would i do this? i still want the mta on the server to be able to connect to other hosts on port 25, but not the users directly. |
| 08:37.00 | yaman | Ok. bob2/streuner: it would be nice if the URL that dpkg reports wasnt empty |
| 08:37.17 | Anarion | where's the difference then? |
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| 08:37.38 | bob2 | Anarion: ipsec is a standard for VPNs over IP. freeswan is an implemtnation of it. |
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| 08:37.42 | bob2 | yaman: oh well. |
| 08:37.52 | Anarion | ah i c |
| 08:37.56 | streuner | yaman: empty? |
| 08:37.59 | cafuego | zamolxes: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -p tcp -d ! <local ip address> --dport 25 -j REJECT |
| 08:38.05 | yaman | streuner: there are no files at all in that ftp directory |
| 08:38.23 | cafuego | zamolxes: That kills all client -> external IP port 25 connections |
| 08:38.31 | streuner | yaman: edit /etc/apt/sources.lines |
| 08:38.45 | yaman | streuner: sources.list? |
| 08:38.52 | deadcat | whats splash=silent in grub? |
| 08:38.55 | streuner | yaman: yep |
| 08:38.58 | cafuego | zamolxes: You can also do soemthing tricky, which is reroute all those smtp connects to your own smpt server. |
| 08:39.09 | yaman | streuner: well of course, but it doesnt work because there are no files in that directory |
| 08:39.23 | cafuego | zamolxes: Alternatively you can reject any non-root/non-mail-user to-port-25 connections |
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| 08:39.44 | bob2 | Anarion: the 2.4.23 kernels in Debian include another ispec implementation, no rebuild required. |
| 08:39.48 | zamolxes | cafuego: no, since i don't have an antivirus installed on the mta, it would be the same. |
| 08:40.02 | zamolxes | cafuego: <Local ip addres> is the server address, right? |
| 08:40.05 | cafuego | zamolxes: That's easy enough, amavisd-new |
| 08:40.11 | cafuego | zamolxes: yes |
| 08:40.16 | zamolxes | oook.. |
| 08:40.19 | Anarion | that's good |
| 08:40.22 | yaman | If i enable radeonfb in the kernel, does that stop the radeon module from building? |
| 08:40.26 | cafuego | zamolxes: Which smtpd are you using? |
| 08:40.30 | cafuego | yaman: no |
| 08:40.31 | zamolxes | postfix |
| 08:40.37 | cafuego | zamolxes: HA! |
| 08:40.41 | zamolxes | i changed it from exim this morning |
| 08:40.50 | cafuego | zamolxes: Shall I give you a few config fiels which will make your life MUCH easier? |
| 08:40.58 | streuner | yaman: which entry do you have in sources.list? (only one line, pls) |
| 08:41.03 | zamolxes | cafuego: be my guest . |
| 08:41.06 | zamolxes | cafuego: thanx |
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| 08:41.46 | deadcat | ad-hoc mode is FUCKING nice.. no need to carry my cross-over cat5 around no more (= |
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| 08:42.54 | zamolxes | cafuego: i tried that body_checks thing i found in a howto on tldp, but doesn't seem to work. any known issues? |
| 08:43.00 | cafuego | zamolxes: It's a few rules that kill most spam/virus emails. |
| 08:43.25 | zamolxes | mime_header_checks in main.cf? |
| 08:43.36 | yaman | streuner: deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/sarge/i386/ ./ |
| 08:43.57 | zamolxes | thanks ;) |
| 08:44.08 | streuner | yaman: and you run apt-get update? |
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| 08:44.32 | kalessin | I have an ensoniq 1370 based card. I can play sounds without problem. when I try to record anything, all I get is a wav file with periodic clicking in it. I have all inputs set to 'capture', I'm trying to record from the line-in, and the sound on the line-in is echoed to the speakers. anybody know how I might go about fixing this? |
| 08:44.41 | cafuego | zamolxes: http://www.cafuego.net/postfix-filter.tgz |
| 08:44.51 | cafuego | zamolxes: it's the header_checks and body_checks |
| 08:45.00 | cafuego | zamolxes: I need to go and eat dinner, bbl. |
| 08:45.16 | yaman | streuner: yes, it doesnt work. |
| 08:45.27 | r_perle | kalessin: what mixer app are you using? |
| 08:45.29 | Zap-W | anyone know if the pam_mail.so works with Maildir? |
| 08:45.46 | zamolxes | cafuego: ok. thank you. dig in :) . just had breakfast+coffee myself |
| 08:46.00 | kalessin | r_perle 'alsamixer'. I should have mentioned that I'm using the alsa drivers from unstable under kernel 2.4.23 |
| 08:46.09 | streuner | yaman: at the end of i386 you edit a backsplash, i386/ just edit that |
| 08:46.15 | Anarion | how can i get precompiled kernel versions via apt-get then? |
| 08:46.31 | Anarion | i only know how to get the source |
| 08:46.34 | kalessin | r_perle I've also tried setting things with aumix, but it doesn't make a difference. |
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| 08:47.27 | yaman | streuner: same thing |
| 08:47.41 | yaman | streuner: (the error) |
| 08:47.51 | bob2 | Zap-W: what's it do? |
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| 08:48.35 | Anarion | argh |
| 08:48.40 | jm_ | bob2: prints status of your mailbox whn you login for example |
| 08:48.41 | r_perle | kalessin: hm, i'm using aumix, let me check things out |
| 08:48.48 | bob2 | zsh does that. |
| 08:48.51 | bob2 | surely bash does too. |
| 08:48.56 | jm_ | yes, but so can login |
| 08:49.06 | Zap-W | bob2 : supousidly it notfies the user with "You have new mail" |
| 08:49.09 | yaman | brb |
| 08:49.28 | bob2 | jm_: so that's the point of it? |
| 08:49.35 | kalessin | r_perle I'm using 'arecord' to do the recording, but other apps that record from the sound card (mencoder when I try to capture video from my tuner card) also don't get sound. |
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| 08:49.53 | Zap-W | supposedly |
| 08:50.02 | jm_ | bob2: it can also export MAIL |
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| 08:50.09 | deadcat | Zap-W: dont /etc/profile has few lines for that? |
| 08:50.23 | bob2 | jm_: why wouldn't someone just set that in their shell environment? |
| 08:50.47 | jm_ | bob2: the same reason you provide users with default PATH |
| 08:50.55 | Zap-W | but the pam module is responsible for saying you have new mail no? |
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| 08:51.17 | orlando | hi all, i'm trying to configure my X, it's is 640x480. how can i change it ? |
| 08:51.19 | jm_ | Zap-W: no, it only checks it when you login, your shell prints it later on |
| 08:51.26 | deadcat | can someone tell me how to pronounce "ad-hoc" ? i go a d h o c |
| 08:51.36 | bob2 | jm_: yeah, but you set that in /etc/profile, not with pam_path |
| 08:51.44 | bob2 | Anarion: one sec. |
| 08:51.47 | deadcat | orlando: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:51.53 | jetscreamer | orlando dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:52.03 | jm_ | bob2: no, he said pam_mail ;) besides, it's pam_env |
| 08:52.12 | orlando | thanks |
| 08:52.23 | Zap-W | jm_ how does it know when to check |
| 08:52.30 | zakame | cef ; hi, i'm back from the dead... tried that -q exim flag, it's already on my ip-up.d/exim script... |
| 08:52.41 | jm_ | Zap-W: bash ? it keeps an eye on your spool file |
| 08:52.53 | zakame | where is bashish |
| 08:52.54 | r_perle | kalessin: ok, my aumix setup to record is - set 'line' to record (press space bar to toggle) and set level with 'rec' level |
| 08:52.55 | deadcat | Zap-W: export MAILCHECK=5 |
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| 08:53.43 | kalessin | r_perle Yes. I've got the 'line' level up to 100%, and it is toggled on to record. |
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| 08:53.55 | Anarion | i'll just get the 2.4.18 source code and patch it that should work... |
| 08:53.59 | Groundy | bob2: hrm, must have been a soft error, i just re-ran the apt-get upgrade and it ran cleanly |
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| 08:54.08 | streuner | !forget xf4.3 debs |
| 08:54.08 | dpkg | i forgot xf4.3 debs, streuner |
| 08:54.11 | r_perle | kalessin: try using the 'rec' channel level |
| 08:54.18 | yaman | does anyone have *any* idea why radeon wont show up in `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` ? |
| 08:54.19 | Zap-W | it isn't working with my Maildir , enviroment is set to the Maildir directory there is new mail yet it dosent report about it |
| 08:54.19 | streuner | yaman: sorry that was my mistake. |
| 08:54.22 | bob2 | Anarion: no |
| 08:54.24 | yaman | streuner: np |
| 08:54.27 | kalessin | r_perle I do not have a 'rec' channel. |
| 08:54.34 | Anarion | so what should work then? |
| 08:54.40 | yaman | streuner: i'll just twork on 4.2 |
| 08:54.42 | r_perle | kalessin: hm. |
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| 08:54.53 | deadcat | yaman: theres a module i think. you might have to load that. |
| 08:54.55 | streuner | yaman: they exist for sid, but not for sarge and woody there. |
| 08:55.23 | yaman | deadcat: i have loaded the radeon module |
| 08:55.25 | Anarion | i can't get newer versions when i'm running woody... |
| 08:55.28 | deadcat | Zap-W: deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?dotfiles i have .bash* there. |
| 08:55.37 | zakame | is there a replacement for the nvidia binary drivers to get accelerated X? |
| 08:55.49 | arauko | Anarion why not? |
| 08:55.49 | r_perle | kalessin: i've got: Vol, Pcm, Spkr, Line, Mic, CD, Rec, 0Gain, Line1, PhoneIn, Video |
| 08:56.03 | Anarion | don't know it just doesn't find it |
| 08:56.04 | Anarion | *g* |
| 08:56.12 | Anarion | i don't know anything anyway |
| 08:56.22 | bob2 | Anarion: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/ ./ |
| 08:56.48 | bob2 | Anarion: put that in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and run "apt-get update", then paste the output of "apt-cache --names-only search kernel-image-2.4.23" to #flood |
| 08:57.04 | kalessin | r_perle my card is original Ensoniq AudioPCI. < shrug > maybe that makes a difference? |
| 08:57.20 | Zap-W | deadcat : and? |
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| 08:57.34 | deadcat | Zap-W: some vars about MAIL there. |
| 08:57.37 | Anarion | thx |
| 08:57.45 | Zap-W | i am using dash |
| 08:57.52 | Zap-W | what file |
| 08:58.02 | deadcat | is "ad-hoc" pronounce "ad hock" or ad-hog"? |
| 08:58.04 | streuner | yaman: ATI have drivers for 4.1,4.2 and 4.3... |
| 08:58.09 | deadcat | Zap-W: nevermind |
| 08:58.22 | zakame | any ideas on this? rhythmbox on gnome2.4's having a lot of buffer underruns. i'm on ALSA 0.9.8... snd-via82xx |
| 08:58.22 | RainbowW | hock |
| 08:58.32 | deadcat | k |
| 08:58.33 | simonrvn_ | @test |
| 08:58.34 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn_, you're still online. |
| 08:58.40 | yaman | streuner: theres one in the kernel.. right? |
| 08:58.47 | debian | @penixstrike simonrvn_ |
| 08:58.48 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:58.52 | deadcat | RainbowW: ad-hoc is a weird name. (= |
| 08:59.05 | Zap-W | deadcat : do you know how to get the shell to work with Maildir? |
| 08:59.16 | deadcat | Zap-W: i know know bash |
| 08:59.24 | deadcat | only know |
| 08:59.27 | r_perle | kalessin: yeah, mine's the audioPCI too, maybe there were different chipsets used? |
| 08:59.28 | Zap-W | deadcat : it's similar |
| 08:59.31 | RainbowW | how to tell how many partitions are on a disc from the command line without fdisk? |
| 08:59.41 | RainbowW | Zap-W: "the shell"? huh? |
| 08:59.43 | Zap-W | deadcat : in bash |
| 08:59.45 | deadcat | Zap-W: then try MAILPATH, thats what i use. |
| 08:59.47 | jm_ | RainbowW: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 09:00.53 | jetscreamer | rythmbox has a funky install script bork iirc |
| 09:00.56 | kalessin | r_perle possible. I think I'm just going to go best buy tomorrow and get a cheap replacement. |
| 09:00.59 | Zap-W | deadcat : you have MAILDIR |
| 09:01.29 | Zap-W | i have both MAIL and MAILDIR , |
| 09:01.34 | deadcat | Zap-W: i have MAILCHECK and MAILPATH |
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| 09:02.19 | r_perle | kalessin: d'you check out google and usual docs? |
| 09:02.22 | deadcat | Zap-W: export MAILPATH='/path/to/your/mail?you have new mail in $_' |
| 09:02.26 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.55 | kalessin | r_perle yep. checked google, read through all the howtos I could find on and off of alsa-project.org, even posted a 'helpme' email to alsa-users and to comp.os.linux.hardware. |
| 09:03.28 | kalessin | r_perle the only responses I've gotten to any of that are "oh, well it should work if you're doing what you say you're doing." |
| 09:03.36 | Zap-W | deadcat : in what file is that? |
| 09:03.41 | deadcat | do you guys install all those alsa-lib, alsa-utils stuff AFTER you compile your kernel with alsa support or before? |
| 09:03.45 | Zap-W | the line you just pasted |
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| 09:03.50 | deadcat | Zap-W: in my ~/.bash_profile |
| 09:04.01 | Taoub | how to set a quote which will give all users in a group 5mb disk space(each one)? |
| 09:04.12 | r_perle | kalessin: what a drag. good thing audiopci is a low cost card. |
| 09:04.23 | r_perle | kalessin: but they do sound good. |
| 09:04.33 | deadcat | Taoub: edquota -p userwith5mb rest of the bitches. |
| 09:04.41 | Zap-W | deadcat : it isn't there |
| 09:04.43 | kalessin | r_perle Indeed. the part that bothers me is that with the 2.4.x kernel drivers, it -can- record. just not in duplex mode. |
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| 09:04.50 | streuner | jetscreamer: one wish in furture, can you adress people with their nicks, because it's somethimes hard to follow the discussion then? |
| 09:04.54 | deadcat | Zap-W: i guess thats the old one. |
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| 09:04.56 | kalessin | r_perle and since the way of the future is ALSA, I'm notivated to get something that works with alsa. |
| 09:05.08 | streuner | s/furture/future/ |
| 09:05.21 | kalessin | r_perle this stupid sound card is the only think keeping my freevo box from actually recording tv for me. |
| 09:05.22 | Taoub | deadcat, i gotta do this for all users in a group??? |
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| 09:05.48 | deadcat | Taoub: you can use awk to do it for you. use awk to go through the passwd file. |
| 09:06.02 | r_perle | kalessin: oh well. if you are recording music or want high quality sound otherwise, i can recommend the m-audio audiophile 24/96 |
| 09:06.26 | Taoub | deadcat, is there anothe way? |
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| 09:06.49 | deadcat | Taoub: dont know. this is not that hard. |
| 09:06.53 | r_perle | kalessin: they are ~$130 |
| 09:06.59 | ayanshola | hi all |
| 09:06.59 | kalessin | r_perle I'm sure my crappy 20$ speakers provide more distortion than even the cheapest soundcard I could find. |
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| 09:07.09 | kalessin | r_perle I just want it to work, for now. |
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| 09:07.27 | orlando | my changes in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 isn't work. can someone send me this file ? |
| 09:07.39 | Taoub | deadcat, it's not hard, but i will have to add another record everytime i add user |
| 09:07.42 | r_perle | kalessin: yeah, even pretty cheap cards sound decent now. |
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| 09:08.01 | streuner | orlando: no, what videocard do you have? |
| 09:08.05 | guk | ahaha |
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| 09:08.11 | guk | that exploit shit never gets old |
| 09:08.12 | helix | that was quick |
| 09:08.16 | deadcat | Taoub: no. after you add a new user. just run "edquota -p userwith5mb newuser" |
| 09:08.18 | gravity | What the hell was that? |
| 09:08.19 | helix | we have another ninja op |
| 09:08.20 | simonrvn | go play somewhere else MIRC kiddie |
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| 09:08.32 | guk | Then people shouldn't run mIRC |
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| 09:08.35 | guk | and we wouldn't have mIRC kiddies |
| 09:08.42 | kalessin | heh.. if I got a 130$ sound card, that would probably be the single most expensive component in this box. well, with the exception of my big-ass hard drive. |
| 09:08.42 | ayanshola | thx simonrvn! |
| 09:08.47 | simonrvn | guk: irssi-text 0.8.9 :) |
| 09:08.52 | guk | Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 09:08.54 | guk | of course |
| 09:09.04 | RainbowW | How does one go about mknoding for hdi, hdj, hdk, and hdl? |
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| 09:09.10 | Zap-W | deadcat : it isnt working , MAILPATH line |
| 09:09.18 | jm_ | RainbowW: man mknod, read devices.txt |
| 09:09.25 | deadcat | help with this pls: linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards : am i suppose to apt-get this and compile it? cus kismet was complaining that i havent loaded this |
| 09:09.30 | Zap-W | sec |
| 09:09.33 | deadcat | Zap-W: wheres you rmail? |
| 09:09.39 | r_perle | kalessin: haha, i'm building a dumpster machine too. it has cost the price of a mouse. |
| 09:09.45 | Nurbs | RainbowW: doesn't MAKEDEV create those if you tell it to? |
| 09:09.48 | deadcat | Zap-W: MAILPATH and MAILCHECK=5, 5 is 5 sec |
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| 09:10.03 | bob2 | Zap-W: why don't you just set MAIL in /etc/profile? |
| 09:10.07 | bob2 | oh, you are. |
| 09:10.27 | deadcat | bob2: any idea about linux-wlan-ng? |
| 09:10.39 | kalessin | r_perle oh, this isn't a dumpster machine. it's the frankenstien's monster that became of the machine my parents bought me when I graduated HS (~8 years ago) |
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| 09:10.40 | Taoub | deadcat, you don't understand me.. i wanna do it automaticly without any scripts ... crontab a.. and etc |
| 09:10.45 | Taoub | anyway 10x |
| 09:11.01 | r_perle | kalessin: nice. |
| 09:11.27 | bob2 | deadcat: it's some command line tools, afaict. |
| 09:11.33 | kalessin | r_perle everything in that case has been replaced at least twice with the exception of the floppy drive. I doubt that I've used the floppy drive twice. |
| 09:11.41 | deadcat | Taoub: you can. put the long ass line with awk -F field2maybe /etc/passwd | edquota -p oneuser ... something like that in crontab |
| 09:12.06 | Zap-W | deadcat : do you know about QMAIL_DIR in /etc/login.defs? |
| 09:12.08 | deadcat | Taoub: i dont remember the line. but you can run that each hr to check for user in thta group |
| 09:12.13 | deadcat | Zap-W: no. |
| 09:12.25 | r_perle | kalessin: sounds like my machine, though not that old. has gone through 3 mobos |
| 09:12.56 | Taoub | deadcat, ok but try to undestand, that thereis no users in /etc/passwd , only in virtual proftpd passwd file.... i couldn't do this by script |
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| 09:13.13 | r_perle | speaking of hardware, anyone using a via epia mini-itx machine? |
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| 09:13.29 | deadcat | bob2: cus kismet claims to support prism cards. but when i use my old prism2 card, kernel loads the driver automatically. but when running kismet. it failed. saying something about my wlan-ng blah blah blah.. |
| 09:13.56 | deadcat | Taoub: ohhhhhhhhhhh (= |
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| 09:14.26 | kalessin | r_perle I've actually only gone through two mobos. I've been pretty happy with this intel se440bx2 that I'm currently running. |
| 09:14.32 | deadcat | bob2: nevermind the wlan-ng.. do you use alsa? do you apt-get alsa-* before or after you cmopile the kernel wiht alsa support? |
| 09:14.32 | Taoub | deadcat, so i wanna add quote for a group, but with limits for eache users in a gtoup |
| 09:14.43 | kalessin | r_perle though the acer board i had before that wasn't worth it's own weight in cow dung. |
| 09:14.48 | dippo | anyone know of a utility that will probe your system for detailed (as possible) reports on what hardware you have? |
| 09:14.53 | r_perle | kalessin: i have settled on intel also. |
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| 09:15.07 | jm_ | dippo: tried discover ? |
| 09:15.18 | r_perle | nobody is running one of those ubercool mini-itx machines? |
| 09:15.22 | dippo | hm, i well, I have it installed, but it never occurred to me to look at it in that context |
| 09:15.28 | deadcat | dippo: dont use discover use a live cd. (= |
| 09:15.36 | jm_ | r_perle: I've seen asus terminator in action, is that similar ? |
| 09:15.41 | kalessin | r_perle the only problem I see with intel boards is that you can't really overclock them. but I've never really been excited by overclocking anyway. < shrug > |
| 09:15.51 | dippo | even something that just peruses /proc would be sufficient, insomuch as i wouldn't have to do it myself |
| 09:16.05 | streuner | deadcat: which live-CD do you recommend, gentoo or knoppix? |
| 09:16.15 | r_perle | kalessin: no need to overclock here, just a hassle |
| 09:16.28 | deadcat | streuner: knoppix. do the gentoo live cd actually work? heheh |
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| 09:17.01 | kalessin | r_perle with my screaming-fast 800MHz P-III, I just have trouble seeing why it'd even be worth trying. I might get up to 900MHz if I'm lucky. yay. |
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| 09:17.34 | deadcat | kalessin: i have p3 800 as well.. hehehe.. nice eh? |
| 09:17.53 | r_perle | kalessin: yep. i enjoy the speed for photoshop and encoding mp3s, otherwise... |
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| 09:18.09 | RainbowW | hah |
| 09:18.10 | kalessin | deadcat the scary part is when it outperforms an XP box with a processor that's twice as fast. |
| 09:18.12 | JoePenguin | r_perle, i have an uber-cool mini-itx machine as a server @ home |
| 09:18.20 | RainbowW | I have a pair of Athlon MP 2000's. |
| 09:18.23 | Taoub | deadcat, any ideas? |
| 09:18.28 | deadcat | kalessin: i hear that.. |
| 09:18.35 | deadcat | Taoub: sorry.. no dice. |
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| 09:19.25 | RainbowW | what's the maximum partition size for ext3? |
| 09:19.37 | uws | Bigger than your disk I suppose |
| 09:19.46 | uws | 160Gb was no problem for me :) |
| 09:19.47 | r_perle | JoePenguin: ah, i have a question: what power supply are you using? |
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| 09:19.53 | RainbowW | that's a good thing. :) |
| 09:20.18 | Zap-W | how do i duplicate a line in VI? |
| 09:20.32 | deadcat | any.one make pringle antenna? |
| 09:20.36 | deadcat | Zap-W: yyp |
| 09:20.46 | Dewi | deadcat , that's a familiar name |
| 09:20.50 | RainbowW | Zap-W: :q!, nano $FILE :) |
| 09:20.52 | Dewi | deadcat , you're not from brisbane are you? |
| 09:21.12 | deadcat | Dewi: nah.. sf,ca,usa |
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| 09:21.37 | Dewi | deadcat : just checking... used to know a deadcat at our user group |
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| 09:22.11 | Zap-W | deadcat : mail is working now |
| 09:22.12 | deadcat | Dewi: hehe.. i need to go to my local LUG.. need some hardware help from them.. cant find shit online. |
| 09:22.16 | deadcat | Zap-W: good |
| 09:22.22 | JoePenguin | r_perle: it's an external "brick" 100-240V power supply |
| 09:22.43 | JoePenguin | r_perle: it looks like something that comes with a laptop |
| 09:22.48 | r_perle | JoePenguin: do atx-type ps work with mini-itx? |
| 09:22.53 | r_perle | oh... |
| 09:22.58 | r_perle | i dig |
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| 09:23.26 | JoePenguin | r_perle: my mini-itx box looks like this: http://meshbook.com/images/2688.jpg |
| 09:23.54 | JoePenguin | r_perle: a little different, but you get the idea |
| 09:24.11 | bob2 | deadcat: the alsa userland tools or the kernel stuff? |
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| 09:24.35 | deadcat | bob2: userland tools. kernel stuff comes with 2.6 anyway. |
| 09:24.50 | r_perle | i'm looking for the very cheapest way, dont want to buy $90 case for $85 mobo |
| 09:25.10 | arauko | how do i install with apt from a directory containing all the packages needed? |
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| 09:25.12 | r_perle | thinking i'll make own case, as is the thing to do |
| 09:25.23 | deadcat | bob2: is it always a good idea to emulate oss in alsa? |
| 09:25.41 | deadcat | arauko: dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 09:26.02 | arauko | deadcat i don`t know... would that resolve dependencies? |
| 09:26.17 | streuner | arauko: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 09:26.20 | deadcat | arauko: if they are in the same dir.. or if not. apt will get it for ya |
| 09:26.37 | bob2 | deadcat: yeah, includ the emulation, lots of stuff isn't ported to ALSA yet. |
| 09:26.45 | arauko | streuner deadcat thnkas |
| 09:26.45 | deadcat | bob2: thanks. |
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| 09:26.58 | bob2 | deadcat: the userland stuff can be installed whenever. but alsaconf won't work under 2.6, and think the init scripts are the same. |
| 09:27.03 | deadcat | arauko: dpkg-scanpackages is to create your own repository. |
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| 09:27.20 | arauko | deadcat ooh i see.... |
| 09:27.34 | arauko | deadcat i suppose that would work then |
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| 09:27.47 | deadcat | arauko: dpkg -i *.deb or your own repo? |
| 09:27.48 | Karsh | hello people!!! |
| 09:27.58 | deadcat | Karsh: what up dawggg ! (= |
| 09:27.59 | arauko | deadcat both? |
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| 09:28.16 | Karsh | =) |
| 09:28.22 | deadcat | arauko: ya. i make a repo on my laptop to serve for my home desktop. 56k at home heheh |
| 09:28.39 | arauko | :) |
| 09:28.46 | dippo | is there any way to identify what brand motherboard a machine has within linux? |
| 09:29.05 | deadcat | abcnew: dont mesg me. chat here. |
| 09:29.16 | bucky | huh? |
| 09:29.37 | deadcat | arauko: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?debian?id=deb.repository <-- this little howto might hlep you get started on your own repo. hehehe. works for me. |
| 09:29.40 | streuner | dippo: open the case, it works in linux and windows ;-) |
| 09:29.46 | dippo | i don't have physical access |
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| 09:29.59 | bob2 | dippo: there isn't a general method under any OS. |
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| 09:30.03 | dippo | i figured as much |
| 09:30.07 | bob2 | dippo: you can see the chispet from "lspci" and "dmesg", tho. |
| 09:30.08 | streuner | dippo: and you can't aks someone? |
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| 09:30.24 | dippo | well, i could try the "bribe the on-call guy at the coloc facility" technique |
| 09:31.08 | jm_ | dippo: one option woul dbe to use something like vmware or plex or whatever that shows you BIOS info |
| 09:31.45 | dippo | that bios is artificial |
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| 09:31.55 | arauko | deadcat is there any way to see all the packages i got installed? |
| 09:32.05 | deadcat | arauko: dpkg -l |
| 09:32.10 | jm_ | in what way ? it has art picture for background and sings a song ? |
| 09:32.15 | arauko | deadcat thanks |
| 09:32.31 | deadcat | arauko: and those .debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 09:32.45 | deadcat | later yall. 130am here. )= |
| 09:32.53 | deadcat | happy new year!!!!! hehehe |
| 09:33.15 | jm_ | deadcat: it's only 29th ;) |
| 09:33.45 | deadcat | jm_: DOHHHHH hahahahahah |
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| 09:34.48 | oskie | i receive many spam mails, but never have I received so many fake microsoft upgrades with "hidden" exe files.. did you get that too recently? |
| 09:34.59 | jm_ | oskie: it's a virus |
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| 09:35.24 | jm_ | or worm or whatever |
| 09:35.28 | streuner | oskie: no, i get many spam, someone spam me with Paris :-)) |
| 09:35.45 | oskie | jm_: yeah I suspected so.. it must be highly efficient |
| 09:36.02 | azreal | oskie: i did, i was so pissed about it |
| 09:36.20 | RainbowW | i wish cp were faster |
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| 09:36.38 | azreal | oskie: i got rid of them with a filter, i was getting like 30+ a day |
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| 09:36.59 | oskie | azreal: hmm ok! |
| 09:37.21 | Coke | Where is the fbdev option in linux menuconfig? can't find it. |
| 09:37.28 | azreal | oskie: i was sick of downloading them |
| 09:37.46 | oskie | azreal: they're quite big too ... 150KB or so |
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| 09:38.03 | azreal | oskie: yep |
| 09:38.18 | png | anyone here running postfix/mysql/pam/sasl/smtpauth in unstable? |
| 09:38.20 | Cobain | i have /storage set up as the mount point for my ntfs drive.. i tried using that ntfs.sys and when i changed my mind and went back now regular users cant access it.. how do i change access when i try to chmod it says "chmod: changing permissions of `/storage/': Read-only file system" and does nothing |
| 09:38.22 | streuner | oskie: pretty normal, no worries... |
| 09:38.27 | png | probably not, because it doesnt work :) |
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| 09:39.23 | oskie | azreal, streuner: but why do WE get so many posts? it doesn't appear to be the same sender... i doubt many people out there keep my address in their Outlook address-book or whatever |
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| 09:39.50 | azreal | oskie: i think its a virus |
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| 09:40.11 | azreal | oskie: i mean, worm/virus, auto email bomb thing |
| 09:40.29 | xuelinz | hi, There is no IPv6 mod in kernel-2.4.18-bf2.4? |
| 09:41.01 | streuner | xuelinz: grep ipv6 .config? |
| 09:41.12 | azreal | oskie: trying to propagate more of them, im sure there are a large number of idiots who have installed those patches, hence more emails, etc etc... |
| 09:41.25 | xuelinz | ok. |
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| 09:42.04 | png | seriously, anyone here running postfix with smtpauth? |
| 09:42.06 | oskie | azreal: yeah but how does the virus find more addresses? that's what interests me. because appears to spread like spam on drugs |
| 09:42.39 | bob2 | xuelinz: no, there isn't. |
| 09:42.47 | bob2 | png: lots of people, no doubt. |
| 09:42.55 | bob2 | maybe not in unstable, though. |
| 09:42.59 | azreal | oskie: its gets them from public db's of email addresses, mailing lists, etc. |
| 09:43.04 | bob2 | if it used to work and doesn't now, file a bug. |
| 09:43.06 | oskie | azreal: i'm going to see if clamav detects this virus... |
| 09:43.07 | gravity_ | xuelinz: The bf kernels are pretty minimal. They're meant for basic install and that's about it. |
| 09:43.21 | png | bob2: well, it doesnt work |
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| 09:43.24 | bob2 | xuelinz: 2.4.21 has greatly improved ipv6 support. 2.4.23 fixes a major security hole. tru using it. |
| 09:43.28 | bob2 | png: then file a bug. |
| 09:44.41 | RainbowW | i'm still wishing cp were faster |
| 09:45.00 | gravity_ | heh |
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| 09:45.27 | oskie | azreal: Worm.Gibe.F according to clamav :) |
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| 09:46.35 | azreal | oskie: hehe |
| 09:46.37 | png | can anyone recommend me a MTA-imap-pop3 combination that works with smtpauth/mysql and in unstable? |
| 09:46.54 | oskie | also called Swen.. |
| 09:46.56 | xuelinz | thank you, bob2, gravity |
| 09:47.26 | bob2 | png: surely this isn't a production machine, because you're using unstable. |
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| 09:47.42 | png | bob2: no its not, still im trying to get a mailsystem to work |
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| 09:48.18 | bob2 | png: so file a bug |
| 09:48.28 | bob2 | png: and use postfuix from a month ago or whatever. |
| 09:48.37 | bob2 | but seriously, this is why you don't use unstable on machines you care about. |
| 09:48.55 | png | well, I dont care about this machine really |
| 09:49.15 | png | im trying to learn how to set-up a mailsystem |
| 09:49.23 | png | this is my experimental machine |
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| 09:49.31 | gravity_ | Or, if you're crazy and have the time, don't update your unstable until you know it's safe to do so (which is basically impossible) |
| 09:49.50 | png | well, looks like I have to reinstall then |
| 09:49.53 | png | and go to stable |
| 09:50.05 | gravity_ | png: Or install an old version of the package |
| 09:50.20 | png | then all the dependencies will be screwed |
| 09:50.26 | png | I would rather downgrade |
| 09:50.29 | gravity_ | Will they be? |
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| 09:50.42 | gravity_ | It's your decision. I'd agree with you, for what you want, stable is by far the better choice. |
| 09:51.08 | png | is testing better than unstable when it commes to broken packages and stuff? |
| 09:51.21 | gravity_ | Sometimes |
| 09:51.35 | png | who is administrating the postfix packages anyways, this is the second bug I have filed in a postfix package |
| 09:51.38 | gravity_ | Broken stuff in testing tends to stay broken longer, but it's often less likely to be broken |
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| 09:52.00 | gravity_ | Testing also has the additional problem of security updates. |
| 09:52.06 | gravity_ | You need to manage those yourself. |
| 09:52.08 | png | postfix-mysql was broken a long time |
| 09:52.12 | ludwig | last time i went to testing, it was broken the week i upgraded |
| 09:52.22 | ludwig | just my luck. heh |
| 09:52.34 | png | well |
| 09:52.37 | gravity_ | testing is shaping up more and more now though, thankfully |
| 09:52.38 | png | time to downgrade then |
| 09:52.44 | ludwig | so now i'm in unstable/experimental :) |
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| 09:54.18 | arauko | what is the option i have to pass to insmod to ignore the version of the module? |
| 09:54.22 | arauko | what is the option i have to pass to insmod to ignore the version of the module? |
| 09:54.24 | arauko | sorry |
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| 09:54.45 | streuner | ignore the version? |
| 09:54.47 | png | just a guess, but try -f |
| 09:54.49 | png | force |
| 09:54.51 | arauko | streuner yup |
| 09:55.03 | arauko | pnpi tried that, it din`t work |
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| 09:55.25 | yaman | what are some console tools i can use to check laptop battery status, etc? basically acpi stuff |
| 09:55.27 | gravity | W00t |
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| 09:56.04 | jm_ | yaman: it's not visible in /proc ? |
| 09:56.15 | yaman | jm_: just kidding, its there |
| 09:56.17 | yaman | thanks |
| 09:56.29 | yaman | deadcats: i got wireless working! |
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| 09:56.44 | streuner | yaman: he is gone. |
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| 09:57.06 | yaman | oh well |
| 09:57.08 | mackstann | i'm running the 2.6.0-test9 package, and i seem to have no device for my usb mouse |
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| 09:57.13 | yaman | does anyone know what his website with the configuration files was?} |
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| 09:57.21 | Cobain | does make defconfig in 2.6 probe my hardware? |
| 09:57.41 | glick_ | scuse me, im trying to test my dcc, can i send someone a config file to test it pleasE? |
| 09:57.42 | mackstann | it's detected by the kernel when i plug it in, and it's just a normal mouse (worked in 2.4), but nothing in /dev seems to correspond to it |
| 09:58.17 | colde89 | how to make mke2fs on /dev/fd0 ?? |
| 09:58.18 | ludwig | is /dev completely different in 2.6? |
| 09:58.43 | L00thar | For those who squirrel away golden nuggets of information, I have a nice one: I found out how to run X programs from root in a user's session: run 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/<user>/.Xauthority' as root in a console -- and run your X program. Put it in root's .bashrc for that matter, I guess Any comments on how terrible/awful/irresponsible this is? |
| 09:58.52 | jm_ | mackstann: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 09:58.53 | glick_ | anyone? |
| 09:58.58 | zakame | is ths some good place or what... |
| 09:59.01 | arauko | when i do apt-cdrom add comes up = E: erro mounting cdrom |
| 09:59.06 | ludwig | L00thar: try using sudo instead |
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| 09:59.15 | mackstann | jm_: tried it. actually, just msg'ed dpkg about usbmouse and i found that modprobing mousedev fixes it :) |
| 09:59.21 | L00thar | ludwig: Is that better? |
| 09:59.26 | ludwig | L00thar: yup |
| 09:59.42 | L00thar | ludwig: sudo in what way? |
| 09:59.47 | ludwig | L00thar: sudo someprogram |
| 09:59.50 | streuner | yaman: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html ? |
| 09:59.56 | ludwig | it'll run as root |
| 10:00.00 | L00thar | ok... |
| 10:00.09 | ludwig | and it will work fine in X11 |
| 10:00.16 | L00thar | ludwig I'll try that. |
| 10:00.32 | colde89 | mke2fs /dev/fd0 did not work (floppy 0 probe faild) any idea ?? |
| 10:01.38 | ludwig | L00thar: of course, you have to edit /etc/sudoers by using visudo so you'll have permission to run programs as root |
| 10:02.02 | L00thar | ludwig: Damned if it didn't work. |
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| 10:02.15 | ludwig | did it work fine? |
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| 10:03.42 | L00thar | ludwig: I'm just a bit confused, because I only understand sudo really for root-access programs I explicitly run in console as a user. |
| 10:05.07 | L00thar | ludwig: Is it because I'm running a root program -- but I already have the user acess to the X server? |
| 10:05.26 | L00thar | access |
| 10:05.30 | ludwig | huh? |
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| 10:05.59 | oskie | colde89: what kind of floppy drive is this? do you have a disk in the drive? |
| 10:06.03 | ludwig | let's see. i think it keeps your user environment. that's why it works |
| 10:06.13 | L00thar | ludwig: usually you want to run a root program which requires _root_ acces.. |
| 10:06.15 | ludwig | you don't have to duplicate the same environment for root |
| 10:06.16 | L00thar | access |
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| 10:06.27 | ludwig | yes. sudo will work just fine for that |
| 10:06.31 | L00thar | didn't say that. |
| 10:06.36 | jm_ | loth;/msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; or use sudo |
| 10:06.47 | jm_ | L00thar ^^^^^^^ |
| 10:06.52 | colde89 | oskie :: mean no name floppy is in |
| 10:07.00 | ludwig | jm_: there you go :) |
| 10:07.05 | ludwig | great work |
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| 10:07.38 | oskie | colde89: hmm I don... if you run "dmesg" it might tell you more |
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| 10:07.44 | oskie | colde89: (I don't know) |
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| 10:08.47 | colde89 | oskie ::end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 |
| 10:08.55 | L00thar | liferea sux |
| 10:08.59 | oskie | colde89: maybe the floppy disk is broken |
| 10:10.23 | zakame | is there a way to replace all syscalls? |
| 10:10.52 | oskie | zakame: strace maybe does something like that |
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| 10:11.55 | zakame | i'm trying to build a honeypot, where almost all syscalls ar (null), except net code... but no outward traffic, that's null too... |
| 10:12.56 | colde89 | oskie :: seems now to work ...a wonder have you an idea where to get the module ne2k-pci |
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| 10:13.13 | oskie | zakame: hmm ok, interesting |
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| 10:13.40 | oskie | colde89: it should be in the kernel-image-x.y.zz-... module |
| 10:13.52 | oskie | colde89: did you modprobe ne2k-pci? |
| 10:14.06 | Coke | Hello. I just got a 2.4.23 kernel with framebuffer support running, but when trying fbset -i I get the error "/dev/fb0: no such device". What could be wrong? |
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| 10:14.23 | oskie | Coke: you do have a file /dev/fb0? |
| 10:14.51 | ca | hello, how do i install a ttf font on debian so that i can use it to view sites on mozilla |
| 10:15.22 | zakame | is it possible to have an infinite number of linux kernels operating at the same time in only one machine using only its local resources? |
| 10:15.26 | colde89 | have a new installation on laptop without cdorm module is not installed |
| 10:15.32 | oskie | ca: most ttf fonts install to /usr/share/fonts/truetype .. but i guess more than that is needed |
| 10:15.37 | Coke | oskie: sure, otherwise it would have said "file not found" |
| 10:15.52 | oskie | Coke: oh.. well, does /proc/devices contain 'fb' or some such? |
| 10:15.54 | ca | oskie: yes, go on.. |
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| 10:16.39 | Coke | oskie: yes. on major 29 |
| 10:16.40 | zakame | ca: you need to build a fonts.dir for that one... |
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| 10:16.48 | stinger | hy there |
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| 10:17.19 | stinger | after apt-get update today i can't use startx anymore |
| 10:17.24 | oskie | ca: well, i don't know if it will work, but copy the ttf file in there, restart X, and run some program like gnome-font-properties.. there you can see if the new font has appeared |
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| 10:17.34 | ca | zakame: heh, and is that somethign that is possible or some vague xfree thing? |
| 10:17.39 | RainbowW | stinger: That's what you get for running sid. Don't do that anymore if you want a working system all the time. |
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| 10:17.50 | Zap-W | can anyone recommend on a light weight WM that uses fontconfig |
| 10:17.52 | colde89 | oskie :: is installed from floppy so kernel-images semms not to be installed ... |
| 10:17.55 | oskie | Coke: strange.. dmesg doesn't tell more? |
| 10:17.56 | stinger | i am in sarge |
| 10:18.03 | zakame | ca: apt-get install mkttfdir |
| 10:18.05 | stinger | not in sid |
| 10:18.13 | Coke | oskie: dmesg doesn't tell anything that has the words "buffer" or "fb" in it. |
| 10:18.16 | oskie | colde89: what does dpkg -l kernel-image-\* | grep ^ii tell you? |
| 10:18.21 | prophecy | black box? |
| 10:18.29 | stinger | i have pb with libfontconfig |
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| 10:18.36 | bouil | hi |
| 10:18.41 | Coke | oskie: but the device is in /proc/devices |
| 10:19.01 | oskie | Coke: maybe some other module is missing .. like support for 2,4,8,.. bitplanes |
| 10:19.03 | stinger | RainbowW i use sarge |
| 10:19.35 | colde89 | oskie :: dpkg not found |
| 10:19.47 | Coke | oskie: no, I have those checked as well. |
| 10:20.06 | oskie | colde89: is this debian? |
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| 10:21.09 | oskie | Coke: strange indeed.. |
| 10:21.14 | colde89 | oskie :: yes will, first stopp and install in floppy , network will be a finer way ... |
| 10:21.26 | stinger | ls |
| 10:21.36 | oskie | colde89: so this is during installation? |
| 10:21.52 | colde89 | oskie :: yep |
| 10:22.09 | shaddai | jussssssssieeuuuuuuuuu |
| 10:22.50 | oskie | colde89: hm.. are you using old or new installer? #debian-boot might help if it is the new.. |
| 10:23.29 | oskie | colde89: if it is the new one, ne2k-pci should be in some installer package on the CD.. or the net_drivers floppy! |
| 10:23.35 | stinger | RainbowW i got it...:) |
| 10:24.26 | stinger | RainbowW ldd libfontconfig show that this lib link too old lib in /usr/local/lib |
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| 10:24.55 | colde89 | oskie :: then they shold be installed strange .. |
| 10:24.55 | stinger | RainbowW mn /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib_old |
| 10:25.11 | zakame | there, my honeypot's done... |
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| 10:25.19 | stinger | RainbowW and it works |
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| 10:27.43 | azreal | is there anything that can "browse" tar balls, for instance to preview images, etc? |
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| 10:28.03 | zakame | azreal : file roller |
| 10:28.05 | bob2 | azreal: guitar or karchiver |
| 10:28.08 | azreal | much like winzip is able to do :-\ |
| 10:28.09 | stinger | see you all |
| 10:28.16 | protoloco | Who have used Swatch .. with snort ?? |
| 10:28.21 | azreal | thanx :) |
| 10:28.23 | protoloco | Who have used Swatch .. with snort or just Swatch |
| 10:28.59 | protoloco | WHo have used Swatch to send alerts to the mail by swatch ?? |
| 10:29.51 | mesja | ive got my pcmcia wireless card semi-working; that is, it seems to find the access point and associate itself. Unfortunately, it fails to send and receive data properly (I can't even ping the access point). Any ideas? |
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| 10:29.58 | mage | ~pools |
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| 10:30.08 | zakame | gzip -dc tarball | tar xfp... |
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| 10:30.19 | mage | mesja: which chip ? |
| 10:30.25 | cafuego | mesja: set up the card with wireless_tools |
| 10:30.30 | yaman | how do i remove all packages related to XFree86? and all their configuration files, etc |
| 10:30.41 | cafuego | yaman: try debfoster |
| 10:30.42 | yaman | ..whats the name of the package that all the others depend on, if there is one |
| 10:30.51 | mesja | its a horrible TI chip, im using the acx100 driver |
| 10:31.03 | yaman | mesja: wireless? |
| 10:31.03 | mage | mesja: check /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts and /etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
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| 10:31.20 | protoloco | WHo have used Swatch?. A program that sends alerts to the mail. |
| 10:31.30 | mage | !tell protoloco about repeat |
| 10:31.46 | cafuego | protoloco: based on the response to your previous 3 questions, nobody. |
| 10:31.50 | bob2 | yaman: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:31.55 | bob2 | protoloco: stop repeating. |
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| 10:32.07 | bob2 | protoloco: I have, but I'm not going to respond to such an open-ended question. |
| 10:32.18 | mesja | cafuego: what in particular needs to be setup with wireless_tools? i thought id done all that correctly |
| 10:32.18 | fatal__ | anyone know a place to find out how php4 vs. apache2 is progressing? (what issues remain, which has been solved, and so on) .. both whats happening in debian and also php in general.... |
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| 10:32.38 | protoloco | bob2, the problem is that Swatch use by default sendmail and i use Postfix, how could i change to swatch to send the mails by postfix ?? |
| 10:32.41 | protoloco | bob2, :P |
| 10:32.45 | cafuego | mesja: You'll want the mode and essid to be correct, at a minimum. |
| 10:32.57 | bob2 | protoloco: you mean it uses /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 10:33.00 | mesja | cafuego: yep, got that much :) |
| 10:33.03 | RainbowW | protoloco: Take a hint. We neither know nor care. Now buzz off. |
| 10:33.09 | mage | protoloco: postfix install an sendmail bin for compatibility. |
| 10:33.13 | bob2 | fatal__: the debian-apache list, maybe? |
| 10:33.16 | cafuego | mesja: Running dhcp on it? |
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| 10:33.30 | yaman | bob2: i rebuilt kernel with support for radeon card after i installed x... dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 does not show my card |
| 10:33.37 | mesja | cafuego: no, thought id try and get it working staically first |
| 10:33.40 | protoloco | bob2, yes ? well i saw in a txt that use sendmail, but i dont know where do i have to configure to change it.. |
| 10:33.52 | bob2 | protoloco: leave it, as mage said. |
| 10:34.03 | mage | protoloco: why the fuk are you using both sendmail and postfix ? |
| 10:34.07 | bob2 | yaman: your kernel support has nothing to do with X there. |
| 10:34.12 | protoloco | mage, no i just use POstfix |
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| 10:34.12 | bob2 | mage: he's not. |
| 10:34.15 | zakame | how do i break into the shell? |
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| 10:34.22 | fatal__ | bob2: seems like all php4/apache2 treads on any mailinglist is dedicated to flamewars... but I'll have a look... thanks. |
| 10:34.27 | bob2 | yaman: you need the radeon X driver. |
| 10:34.30 | mage | protoloco: then /usr/bin/sendmail is install by _postfix_ |
| 10:34.37 | mage | +ed |
| 10:34.42 | bob2 | fatal__: heh, it's still considered experimental by the php people, last I heard. |
| 10:34.45 | protoloco | =? |
| 10:34.59 | protoloco | mage, what do u mean that is installed by postfix ? |
| 10:35.25 | cafuego | fatal__: Well, basically they don't play well together. |
| 10:35.31 | fatal__ | bob2: some kind of roadmap would be nice so people don't need to wander around in darkness waiting for something to happen... ;) |
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| 10:35.42 | mage | protoloco: it's for compatibility |
| 10:35.44 | bob2 | fatal__: heh. |
| 10:35.46 | xmas-Dave | Hi guys, how can you tell what's using a CD rom drive? |
| 10:35.52 | mage | all mail server install such a file |
| 10:35.55 | xmas-Dave | I'm trying to eject a CD from my DVD rom; it's saying it's in use. |
| 10:35.55 | cafuego | xmas-Dave: lsof |
| 10:35.58 | xmas-Dave | Hm |
| 10:36.04 | xmas-Dave | lsof |grep cdrom? |
| 10:36.05 | bob2 | fatal__: I'm not sure how it can ever really work...apache2's threaded model requires ALL of the libraries php uses to be threadsafe. |
| 10:36.07 | cafuego | xmas-Dave: tip: unmount it. |
| 10:36.12 | pbrook | xmas-Dave: fuser -m /cdrom |
| 10:36.14 | protoloco | ohh ic |
| 10:36.15 | bob2 | fatal__: which will take AGES, if it ever happens. |
| 10:36.17 | eaz | so is there any way to make fonts look better in say... firebird? on sites designed for IE (that is most of the time) the fonts are small, blurry and hard to read... hate it |
| 10:36.26 | xmas-Dave | I've tried... says it's busy. |
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| 10:36.38 | cafuego | xmas-Dave: What does 'pwd' say? |
| 10:36.42 | yaman | bob2: bob2: X is supposed to be equipped with it.. |
| 10:36.42 | fatal__ | bob2: well... if we never start nothing will ever happen... ;) |
| 10:36.48 | mage | xmas-Dave: check you're not in the same directory than your mount |
| 10:36.57 | xmas-Dave | pbrook: Ah... that worked. Thanks. |
| 10:36.59 | cafuego | mesja: s/than/as/ |
| 10:37.04 | cafuego | s/mesja/mage/ |
| 10:37.12 | bob2 | eaz: increase the fontsize? |
| 10:37.20 | bob2 | fatal__: heh, true enough. |
| 10:37.23 | eaz | bob2, that doesn |
| 10:37.26 | bob2 | yaman: is it? |
| 10:37.32 | xmas-Dave | cafuego: "famd" was using it. |
| 10:37.36 | eaz | bob2, that doesn't really help |
| 10:37.39 | cafuego | fatal__: Well, to be fair, apache 1.3 works fine. |
| 10:37.51 | protoloco | mage, i dont have /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 10:38.00 | bob2 | protoloco: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 10:38.05 | cafuego | And the last thing I need in the world is to move all virtual server configs across. |
| 10:38.06 | yaman | bob2: thats what i thought.. |
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| 10:38.22 | mage | protoloco: it's /usr/sbin/sendmail in fact. |
| 10:38.26 | yaman | bob2: because ATI doesnt have any for Mobility cards |
| 10:38.28 | bob2 | yaman: dpkg -L xserver-xfree86 | grep radeon |
| 10:38.59 | fatal__ | cafuego: I'd rather use apache2 then patch 1.3 with unofficial (sometimes known broken) patches..... but thats just me. |
| 10:39.00 | protoloco | exelent |
| 10:39.02 | protoloco | thanks |
| 10:39.04 | yaman | bob2: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o |
| 10:39.16 | cafuego | fatal__: Why would you need to patch it, though? |
| 10:39.30 | bob2 | yaman: does selecting it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 help? |
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| 10:39.42 | zakame | is there an alternative for ssh? |
| 10:39.54 | fatal__ | cafuego: need some extra features.... which has higher priority then php.... |
| 10:39.59 | mage | why do you want an alternative ? |
| 10:40.53 | yaman | *sigh* |
| 10:41.04 | yaman | bob2: it would be nice if dpkg-reconfigure decided to write to the configuration file at all. |
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| 10:41.18 | madness | zakame: there's some encrypted telnet stuff, but why you'd want to use it over ssh is beyond me |
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| 10:41.39 | bob2 | yaman: I've never, ever, ever heard of it not writing it. |
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| 10:42.06 | zakame | madness :just like your name implies... |
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| 10:42.38 | madness | zakame: aparently :P |
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| 10:43.10 | Nurbs | one reason not to use ssh could be the bugginess of OpenSSH and other SSH implementations... |
| 10:43.14 | mesja | cafuego: i can even use dhclient to successfully get the wireless card an ip address through dhcp... seems like it must be something pretty trivial that's keeping it from being able to ping the base |
| 10:43.21 | tarzeau | i use lsh-server and lsh-client! |
| 10:43.26 | zakame | i nned something that can encrypt, though something that would _not_ encrypt well... |
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| 10:44.03 | uws | How do I let "diff" only output filenames? |
| 10:44.33 | PhiberOptik | trying to apt-get install kdm (3.1.4-1) but i get this error dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): |
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| 10:44.57 | cafuego | mesja: Check the firewall, make sure the base is in fact pingable. |
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| 10:45.14 | pbrook | mesja: You checked that the routes are setup properly? |
| 10:45.16 | PhiberOptik | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30 |
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| 10:46.09 | mesja | cafuego: it is, i can ping it through the standard nic. i need to setup routes? im just pinging the access point, which is on the same subnet |
| 10:46.28 | cafuego | WOO! |
| 10:46.43 | gravity | PhiberOptik: It's probably a bug in the package, unless it told you more during the configuration portion of the install. |
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| 10:46.57 | clown | is there a special way to compile a kernel for a other system (to get Debian installed on that system) on my own system? I'd could use make-kpkg but that leaves me with a .deb which is useless?! |
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| 10:47.12 | mesja | pbrook: im just trying to ping the access point, which is on the same subnet, do i need routes? |
| 10:47.17 | zakame | is there some sort of multi-route server that can use any type of network (DECnet, TCp, sneakernet, USPS)? |
| 10:47.20 | yaman | bob2: it *is* supposed to write te /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, right? |
| 10:47.24 | cafuego | clown: No, that .deb can be ftp'd and installed. |
| 10:47.24 | PhiberOptik | gravity: Errors were encountered while processing: kdm |
| 10:47.30 | bob2 | yaman: yes. |
| 10:47.33 | pbrook | They should be setup automatically, but you never know... |
| 10:47.43 | gravity | PhiberOptik: Before that |
| 10:47.55 | clown | cafuego: but Debian is not installed on that system; I need that kernel to bootstrap the installer (special hardware) |
| 10:48.03 | pbrook | PhiberOptik: I'm seeing this also, It's a buggy package. |
| 10:48.19 | PhiberOptik | pbrook: can u get kde3 to work? |
| 10:48.21 | cafuego | clown: alien -t the deb and voila, a tarballs with kernel+modules. |
| 10:48.24 | PhiberOptik | gdm works tho |
| 10:48.25 | L00thar | sneakernet?? Isn't that 'by foot'? |
| 10:48.30 | yaman | bob2: well, its not... but its ok because i have my own XF86Config that has worked before |
| 10:48.33 | PhiberOptik | cant start kde ;( |
| 10:48.40 | pbrook | Yes, I'll see if I can find how I worked around it. |
| 10:48.41 | clown | cafuego: "alien -t" ???? |
| 10:49.00 | zakame | L00thar : yes, that's what i meant by "any network" |
| 10:49.12 | clown | cafuego: I need it on a floppy to boot the system with. |
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| 10:49.23 | yaman | bob2: and the problem is that it dies with an error No screens found.. thats why i am unsure about X actually knowing it has the radeon driver.. i dunno im clueless |
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| 10:49.29 | PhiberOptik | pbrook: k |
| 10:49.35 | bob2 | yaman: disable use of the framebuffer. |
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| 10:49.56 | L00thar | zakame: I prefer UPS. Not the powerbar. |
| 10:50.04 | zakame | yaman: ditch X, use asciiX |
| 10:50.27 | L00thar | qazix: is there ANY point to having a framebuffer on an x86 machine? |
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| 10:50.43 | zakame | L00thar : UPS? good choice... they're the ones moving the Mint... |
| 10:51.21 | yaman | zakame: wha? |
| 10:51.24 | pbrook | L00thar: So you can have high res virtual consoles, or if XFree86 doesn't support your card. |
| 10:51.34 | yaman | bob2: i have radeonfb disabled.. but im using vesafb or vgafb, cant remember |
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| 10:52.04 | yaman | bob2: for a larger console screen, you know |
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| 10:52.08 | PhiberOptik | back ;p |
| 10:52.14 | L00thar | pbrook: hi-res virtual consoles? |
| 10:52.19 | glick_ | scuse me when i do apt-cashe search gaim it only shows what it is, is there anyway i can get more info from a non installed package, i.e. the version number and such? |
| 10:52.33 | jm_ | glick_: apt-cache show package |
| 10:52.35 | zakame | yaman : asciiX... the world looks sweet on 2048x1024 7-bit clean ascii... |
| 10:52.41 | glick_ | thanks |
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| 10:53.20 | eaz | when I use the xfree86-driver for my radeon mobility card I can't play video with mplayer... have to use the closed source binary driver from ATI |
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| 10:54.03 | glick_ | hmm unable to locate package gaim when i use the show option |
| 10:54.05 | yaman | eaz: how did you get xfree86 to work with radeon mobility! |
| 10:54.08 | PhiberOptik | hm, gdm started, and i choose KDE and it gave me this error: stdin: is not a tty | + WM=kde2 |
| 10:54.18 | yaman | eaz: and where'd you get the closed source driver....... |
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| 10:54.23 | arauko | im trying to load my nvidia module, but X11 can`t find the driver, where do i have to put it??... i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it doesn`t show nvidia.ko, ideas? |
| 10:54.24 | eaz | yaman, from ati |
| 10:54.27 | PhiberOptik | looks like i have to change that to kde3 but how ;P |
| 10:54.40 | yaman | eaz: i couldnt find anything on their site... of course it was also really hard to navigate in links |
| 10:54.55 | bob2 | yaman: in the X config. |
| 10:55.03 | bob2 | glick_: apt-cache search gaim |
| 10:55.07 | eaz | yaman, yeah.. it's kinda stupid.. i'll give you the link.. hold on |
| 10:55.09 | jm_ | arauko: you'll have to edit config file manually |
| 10:55.14 | bob2 | arauko: blah, the .lo is for the kernel, not X. |
| 10:55.16 | glick_ | bob2, that finds it |
| 10:55.30 | glick_ | but apt-cashe show gaim does not |
| 10:55.34 | eaz | yaman, http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=20&submit.y=14&submit=GO%21 |
| 10:55.41 | arauko | bob2 i know i edited my XFree86-4 with only nvidia |
| 10:55.53 | yaman | bob2: i dont have it enabled |
| 10:55.55 | jm_ | it's apt-cache |
| 10:55.58 | yaman | eaz: thanks |
| 10:56.12 | arauko | jm_ yeah.. i edited the file manually... and it doesn`t find the driver |
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| 10:56.48 | PhiberOptik | where do i change WM=kde2 to WM=kde3, gdm is trying to start kde2.. |
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| 10:56.55 | yaman | eaz: eyughhh rpm |
| 10:56.57 | TomTom | hi! what process is "mdrecoveryd" |
| 10:56.58 | bjmg | hi |
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| 10:57.02 | eaz | yaman, yeah.. use alien |
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| 10:57.20 | zakame | PhiberOptik : why don't you use kdm? |
| 10:57.39 | bob2 | yaman: are you sure? |
| 10:57.41 | PhiberOptik | zakame: because its a buggy package, someone had the same problem ;/ |
| 10:57.42 | eaz | yaman, what version of xfree86 are you running btw? |
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| 10:58.04 | zakame | PhiberOptik : are you using kde/unstable? |
| 10:58.11 | PhiberOptik | zakame: yes |
| 10:58.17 | yaman | eaz: 4.2 |
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| 10:58.22 | PhiberOptik | but there was no problem with 3.1.4 on gentoo tho |
| 10:58.32 | yaman | bob2: i dont see it anywhere |
| 10:58.43 | eaz | yaman, hmm.. ok... I have 4.3.. and when I tried to compile the driver it kinda failed on me. had to edit the source a bit, heh |
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| 10:58.46 | zakame | PhiberOptik : can you start kde3 with startx? |
| 10:58.46 | bob2 | yaman: then try enabling it. |
| 10:58.59 | jm_ | arauko: did you install nvidia drivers then ? |
| 10:59.25 | PhiberOptik | zakame: i could try ;) but gdm just restart itself all the time :) |
| 10:59.41 | yaman | eaz: i tried installing 4.3, but configuring it didnt work.. i'll just stick with 4.2 unless i cant get it to work |
| 10:59.51 | eaz | yaman, ok |
| 10:59.58 | zakame | PhiberOptik : did you /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 11:00.10 | PhiberOptik | working on it |
| 11:00.35 | eaz | oh.. anyone? how do I store the settings I do with xset btw? I don't want a friggin screensaver but I do want DPMS to be used! |
| 11:00.53 | PhiberOptik | zakame: k gdm is down |
| 11:01.09 | yaman | eaz: is the dhriver name 'fglrx' then? |
| 11:01.20 | eaz | yaman, yeah.. that's the one |
| 11:01.23 | jm_ | eaz: you can specify those options in XF86Config-4 |
| 11:01.43 | PhiberOptik | zakame: hm i just started kdm ;) |
| 11:01.51 | eaz | jm_, I couldn't find any documentation about the options available in that file |
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| 11:02.14 | jm_ | eaz: in other words, you never did man XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 11:02.35 | eaz | ah |
| 11:02.47 | bjmg | I tried to build sim (ICQ) 0.9.2 by myself as an debian package for debian sid (with kde cvs from orth) but the resulting binary does not work at all. does someone know where I can find a (working) debian package (or just the debian/ directory)? |
| 11:02.50 | PhiberOptik | zakame: okey, i started kdm and choose kde3 as session type.. and it didnt work, kdm just restarted itself |
| 11:03.20 | zakame | PhiberOptik : did you have all the appropriate libs installed? |
| 11:03.36 | PhiberOptik | zakame: zakame yes i think so |
| 11:03.54 | yaman | eaz: did you get compatibility errors from the deb you created out of their rpm? it doesnt like xlibmesa3-gl |
| 11:04.06 | zakame | PhiberOptik : check again... did you alsa upgraded your xlibs? |
| 11:04.32 | pbrook | PhiberOptik: Myabe the kdm install error is preventing other things from installing properly. |
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| 11:05.07 | PhiberOptik | is there a command to see which packages apt-get couldnt isntall? |
| 11:05.14 | eaz | yaman, yeah.. I did.. but it worked by forcing it. |
| 11:05.27 | zakame | PhiberOptik : apt-get check |
| 11:05.30 | azreal | what does the debian swirl symbolize? |
| 11:06.10 | PhiberOptik | zakame: it doesnt show me anything, it run smoothly ;) |
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| 11:06.50 | PhiberOptik | zakame: libgd1 was kept back, i dont need that right? |
| 11:06.58 | tarzeau | azreal: a flower |
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| 11:07.06 | tarzeau | azreal: a vagina! |
| 11:07.10 | zakame | PhiberOptik :get it. you never know... |
| 11:07.16 | azreal | bah |
| 11:07.20 | tarzeau | azreal: i don't know |
| 11:07.23 | tarzeau | azreal: what do you think? |
| 11:07.34 | azreal | someone told me it had something to do with an artifact or something |
| 11:07.44 | pbrook | PhiberOptik: I hacked the kdm postinst script to install without configuring kdm: Put "exit 0" near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.postinst , then do apt-get install kdm. |
| 11:07.45 | tarzeau | azreal: maybe if you zoom in enoug, a pussy could look exxactly like that, no? |
| 11:07.53 | tarzeau | azreal: who? |
| 11:08.00 | azreal | my friend |
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| 11:08.07 | pbrook | PhiberOptik:Worked for me, but I was upgrading an already installed kdm. |
| 11:08.17 | zakame | azreal : the debian logo is as mysterious as life itself... one wouldn't look very far to remember the words of Agent Smith... |
| 11:08.18 | tarzeau | azreal: i only know artifacts in nethack |
| 11:08.29 | azreal | i didnt know what the fuck he was talking about though, he said he read it someplace |
| 11:08.37 | tarzeau | azreal: have you seen the films toy story 1 + 2? |
| 11:08.40 | PhiberOptik | pbrook: that goes for me too so i gonna try it |
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| 11:08.56 | yaman | eaz: its a Big Fat Liar. it says device not found |
| 11:08.58 | tarzeau | azreal: that space monster has a debian sign on his chin |
| 11:09.00 | azreal | tarzeau: yes, i dont remember a lot of details from them though |
| 11:09.14 | azreal | hmm, ok |
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| 11:09.27 | eaz | yaman, ack.. that sucks. what mobility card did you have again? |
| 11:09.33 | tarzeau | azreal: have you checke www.d./logos and /banners ? |
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| 11:09.38 | tarzeau | azreal: the official logo is a bottle |
| 11:09.44 | tarzeau | azreal: with that swirl on top |
| 11:09.50 | tarzeau | azreal: it could be a blessed magic lamp |
| 11:09.51 | zapw | how do i delay the time by 2 hours with the date command? |
| 11:09.55 | tarzeau | azreal: that you just rubbed |
| 11:09.57 | azreal | ok :) |
| 11:09.58 | tarzeau | and something comes out of it |
| 11:10.15 | tarzeau | zapw: date -s-2hours |
| 11:10.21 | intero | which pkg holds program 'defaults' ? |
| 11:10.27 | yaman | eaz: U1 |
| 11:10.29 | azreal | its a deep subject :) |
| 11:10.30 | tarzeau | intero: every |
| 11:10.52 | tarzeau | azreal: why don't you ask on the appropriate debian mailinglist? |
| 11:10.57 | intero | every? |
| 11:11.00 | tarzeau | azreal: i don't think this question is answered in any faq |
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| 11:11.09 | tarzeau | intero: where it makes sense, or be more specific with your question |
| 11:11.11 | zapw | why is UTC time delayed by 2 hours from my localtime |
| 11:11.13 | eaz | yaman, and what is that? |
| 11:11.21 | tarzeau | intero: proftpd package has proftpd.conf |
| 11:11.29 | tarzeau | zapw: where do you live? |
| 11:11.39 | PhiberOptik | pbrook: wiie, Setting up kdm (3.1.4-1) ... |
| 11:11.41 | intero | tarzeau: 'defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSAppKitUserBundles "path"' |
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| 11:11.44 | PhiberOptik | ty guys ;) |
| 11:11.47 | azreal | tarzeau: i will, or next time i see my friend, ill ask him what he was going on about |
| 11:11.52 | eaz | yaman, supported cards are listed when you run a fglrxconfig |
| 11:12.00 | Wulf4 | hi |
| 11:12.43 | tarzeau | azreal: don't forget to tell me |
| 11:12.49 | tarzeau | azreal: happy new year! |
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| 11:13.15 | zapw | tarzeau : israel |
| 11:13.41 | tarzeau | Zap-W: hey would you like to be a debian cd shelling shop for israel? |
| 11:13.44 | azreal | tarzeau: happy new year! |
| 11:13.51 | tarzeau | Zap-W: you could be on www.debian.org/CD/vendors |
| 11:13.56 | tarzeau | Zap-W: nad i'd host you the website for it |
| 11:14.01 | azreal | tarzeau: ill make it a point to tell you ;) |
| 11:14.08 | zakame | where isit? |
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| 11:14.12 | Zap-W | tarzeau : sure |
| 11:14.37 | tarzeau | Zap-W: really? can you make a little homepage like this one: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-turkey/ or www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-armenia/ |
| 11:15.01 | tarzeau | Zap-W: you just have to mention contacts, your email address a price and how to pay |
| 11:15.20 | tarzeau | Zap-W: set a price too (try to be fair on this) |
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| 11:15.39 | Zap-W | no problem |
| 11:15.41 | tarzeau | Zap-W: you can send me the .html page with email to gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:15.59 | Zap-W | ok |
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| 11:16.04 | tarzeau | Zap-W: debian is going to have a vendor in every country ! |
| 11:16.12 | Zap-W | :) |
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| 11:16.30 | Zap-W | i always wanted to spread debian in israel |
| 11:16.40 | tarzeau | Zap-W: that is great, is there a LUG in israel? |
| 11:16.49 | Zap-W | sure |
| 11:16.53 | Zap-W | iglu.org.il |
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| 11:17.09 | [PL]ds_ster | How to turn on timestamps into BitchX :D ? |
| 11:17.16 | tarzeau | Zap-W: are you on www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ and www.linuxcounter.org too? |
| 11:17.50 | Zap-W | just a sec |
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| 11:18.55 | Zap-W | sec |
| 11:19.10 | Griffon26 | is it possible to install an older version of glibc alongside my current glibc so I can compile for another platform that only has the old one? |
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| 11:19.34 | chimaera | ]ja denke auch nicht, das dies etwas bringt. |
| 11:19.34 | chimaera | Vielleicht sollte ich es auch einfach hinn |
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| 11:19.46 | tarzeau | apt german |
| 11:19.48 | | tarzeau: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:19.53 | chimaera | sorry.. wrong window.. |
| 11:20.01 | bob2 | [PL]ds_ster: #bitchx |
| 11:20.20 | Zap-W | tarzeau : what was the address again? linuxks? |
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| 11:20.32 | tarzeau | Zap-W: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:21.00 | Zap-W | who is hosting linuks? |
| 11:21.04 | tarzeau | Zap-W: me :) |
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| 11:21.21 | pbrook | Griffon26: Maybe dpkg-cross. N.B. you may also need cross-compiling gcc&binutils (toolchain-source) |
| 11:21.28 | zakame | best new product of the year: Linux Altair Kit |
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| 11:21.36 | Zap-W | i am hosting wwe.game-host.org , but it's empty atm :) |
| 11:21.47 | Zap-W | ok |
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| 11:22.12 | chimaera | i get varous messages from modprobe that loading modules failed: net-pf-10. error = 256. in this example, i dont have ipv6 compiled in, but how to get rid of the msg? is it /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (2.6)? |
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| 11:22.48 | teknotus | Is it possible to make a pin that will only get x-window-system, and it's dependencies from experimental, and everything else will come from a different version? |
| 11:22.52 | tarzeau | Zap-W: debian-cd-turkey and debian-cd-armenia |
| 11:23.06 | jm_ | chimaera: alias it to off |
| 11:23.06 | tarzeau | Zap-W: i'm trying to have more countries in there, arab countries are missing mostly all |
| 11:23.23 | tarzeau | Zap-W: you could be israel and i found someone else two days ago to make kuwait |
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| 11:23.34 | [PL]ds_ster | Zap-W: Or palestina :D |
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| 11:23.58 | zakame | teknotus : yes. but for me, it was gnome2.4... |
| 11:24.00 | Zap-W | no i am not palestina :) |
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| 11:24.19 | chimaera | jm_: in /etcmodprobe.d/aliases? |
| 11:24.35 | teknotus | zakame: can you tell me how? |
| 11:24.41 | [PL]ds_ster | Zap-W: it's near :D |
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| 11:24.47 | tarzeau | is there anyone living in a country not mentioned in www.debian.org/CD/vendors ? |
| 11:24.57 | jm_ | chimaera: not sure with new modutils, old one used /etc/modutils/ which was used to construct /etc/modules.conf |
| 11:24.57 | intero | can i ask dpkg (the bot) about a file to know in which package it is? |
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| 11:25.12 | jm_ | intero: you have my permission |
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| 11:25.20 | tarzeau | jm_: hehehe :) |
| 11:25.32 | intero | jm_: hehe :D _how_ can i do that? |
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| 11:25.47 | jm_ | tarzeau: I live in such a country |
| 11:26.04 | petemc | intero: /msg dpkg find foo |
| 11:26.06 | jm_ | intero: /msg dpkg find sl |
| 11:26.07 | tarzeau | jm_: and would you like to sell debian cd's? |
| 11:26.08 | intero | thanks |
| 11:26.12 | jm_ | tarzeau: no ;) |
| 11:26.59 | tarzeau | jm_: do you have a friend near you who would like to? |
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| 11:27.12 | Zap-W | tarzeau : i am reading debian.org/CD/vendors now.. |
| 11:27.14 | zakame | teknotus : you need to pin all three distro branches (woody,sarge,sid) then make woody the default release... then apt-get -t (woody|sarge|sid) -u installl pkg |
| 11:27.26 | jm_ | tarzeau: well we have shops selling stuff like suse/RH - maybe they have debian too |
| 11:27.41 | tarzeau | jm_: we have that shops too, but ours don't sell debian! |
| 11:27.48 | jm_ | tarzeau: let me check quickly |
| 11:27.53 | nico123 | Hi, is there any mean to fetch a version of a debian package that has been deleted from the archive ? I once heard of a site mainting a database of all packages that live(d) in the archive, but can't find it again... |
| 11:27.53 | intero | tarzeau: do you understand this command? <MrBIOS-TS> intero: you need to do a 'defaults write NSGlobalDomain GSAppKitUserBundles "(/path/to/WildMenus.themeEngine)" |
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| 11:28.12 | fatal__ | nico123: snapshot.debian.net or something like that... |
| 11:28.21 | tarzeau | intero: it is something in $HOME/GNUstep/ but i don't know |
| 11:28.23 | jm_ | tarzeau: yes they have it, but it costs a fortune |
| 11:28.28 | tarzeau | intero: just ask in there what he exactly means |
| 11:28.38 | intero | tarzeau: fine, thanks |
| 11:28.55 | teknotus | zakame: do I pin experimental at all? I thought I had to pin it to get anything at all from it. |
| 11:29.06 | nico123 | fatal__: thanks a lot ! |
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| 11:29.29 | Zap-W | tarzeau : what connection do you have? |
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| 11:29.54 | tarzeau | Zap-W: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/cablecom/ that cablemodem, with 2000/400 |
| 11:29.59 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 11:30.13 | zakame | teknotus : modify recipe as you see fit. |
| 11:30.18 | tarzeau | Zap-W: i'm working on fixed ip's, www.linuks.mine.nu/cablecom-petition/ and my network sucks www.linuks.mine.nu/cablecom/ |
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| 11:31.01 | Zap-W | tarzeau : i have a small 24/7 server on my adsl modem , i could use that for hosting my vendor site if you like.. |
| 11:31.34 | tarzeau | Zap-W: i would like it at me, but if you want you can do it at you |
| 11:31.43 | tarzeau | Zap-W: anyways i would like to know when it's up |
| 11:33.11 | jenipapo | I found a problem in a dependency between mrproject and libmrproject |
| 11:33.21 | jenipapo | I contacted the responsable |
| 11:33.35 | jenipapo | but the problem remains (in sarge) |
| 11:33.42 | Zap-W | tarzeau : your email is gurkan@linuks.mine.nu ? |
| 11:33.42 | jenipapo | how to do? |
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| 11:34.00 | ludwig | jenipapo: install the version that works? |
| 11:34.04 | tarzeau | Zap-W: yes |
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| 11:34.53 | ludwig | jenipapo: are there any dependencies that prevent you from installing it? |
| 11:34.53 | jenipapo | ludwig: I am unable to choose the right one. As soon as I enter in dselect, I cant choose the version package |
| 11:35.03 | Zap-W | tarzeau : ok , when it's ready i will send you the html page , the email address and the cost.. |
| 11:35.15 | jenipapo | ludwig: not directly |
| 11:35.30 | ludwig | jenipapo: is aptitude in sarge? i like it better than dselect. |
| 11:35.32 | jenipapo | the responsable said it is a dependency problem |
| 11:36.06 | Zap-W | tarzeau : i had a problem with my desktop the heatsink fell of the chip and fried the cpu , i am working on a backup system , dont have much there yet.. |
| 11:36.17 | jenipapo | ludwig: I used aptitude but the bug in in the dependencies inside mrproject no in the packaging manager |
| 11:36.27 | ludwig | oh ok |
| 11:36.28 | tarzeau | Zap-W: thank you! |
| 11:36.56 | jenipapo | ludwig: mrproject is 9, lib is 10 |
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| 11:37.05 | jenipapo | for example |
| 11:37.26 | jenipapo | the responsable said |
| 11:37.45 | jenipapo | you have to have the same version, and get away! |
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| 11:38.23 | zakame | wwhat the hell just happened? |
| 11:38.23 | ercin | is there a tool to modify xmodmap file ? |
| 11:38.26 | jm_ | ercin: any editor will do,or try xkeycaps |
| 11:38.30 | codebreaker | if sarge will be released, will be there the kernel 2.4.22 available or only 2.4.20 ? |
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| 11:38.55 | ercin | jm_, thx i think xkeycaps will do it well :) |
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| 11:39.15 | Nurbs | codebreaker: I'd imagine 2.4.23 |
| 11:39.30 | Nurbs | codebreaker: but one can't really say yet :) |
| 11:39.53 | simon | Hi, I'm getting framing errors on a nic. Is there anything I can do to prevent this? |
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| 11:40.28 | codebreaker | Nurbs: thanks. i only need to know wich kernel right now to install on my new hardware. because the ide is not fully suported and copying 500mb from hda to hdc needs 2m23 |
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| 11:41.16 | zakame | can one instance of the linux kernel run on multiple machines? |
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| 11:41.52 | tarzeau | zakame: you can have processes run on another machine |
| 11:41.56 | tarzeau | zakame: using www.mosix.org |
| 11:42.16 | tarzeau | zakame: why would you like to run one kernel on multiple machines? |
| 11:42.26 | tarzeau | zakame: different machines? same machines? |
| 11:42.35 | codebreaker | oh. what is the linux-kernel-headers for an packe i get when installing something form sarge? normally i need to seperate install them :8 |
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| 11:42.59 | sladegen | or Beowulf ;P |
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| 11:43.31 | zakame | tarzeau : _all_ machines >:-D |
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| 11:44.12 | tarzeau | zakame: i think you've had too much christmas beer |
| 11:44.13 | tarzeau | (or wine) |
| 11:44.38 | zakame | tarzeau : no, i'm serious. |
| 11:45.15 | jel | zakame: are you by chance trying to netboot? |
| 11:45.53 | hairy_potter | s/does/did/ |
| 11:45.54 | zakame | jel: no, not netboot... i'm building a system that needs no boot, not even a kernel... |
| 11:45.56 | sladegen | oh, 3l should do it... |
| 11:46.37 | jel | zakame: all systems need to boot. Otherwise, they're doorstops :) |
| 11:46.46 | myXtie | maybe it doesn't even need a computer ;) |
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| 11:47.07 | sladegen | talk about virtual computing |
| 11:47.10 | jel | lol |
| 11:47.34 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: why not? |
| 11:47.39 | zakame | jel : not this one... i've seem to manage to build a system that self-reconstructs itself... all it needs is memory, electricity and losts of love... |
| 11:47.47 | tarzeau | hairy_potter: red or white? |
| 11:47.51 | zakame | s/losts/lots |
| 11:48.35 | jel | zakame: :) |
| 11:49.13 | sladegen | and kernels are paying you alimony? right? |
| 11:49.19 | zakame | jel: and its so small it fits in one bit... |
| 11:49.53 | chimaera | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.10 | hsaliak | chimaera: get mod-init-tools |
| 11:50.11 | jm_ | chimaera: did you read man update-modules ? |
| 11:50.18 | zakame | chimaera : dpkg -L module-init-tools |
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| 11:51.33 | chimaera | jm_: yes, but i gues its still writen for 2.4 |
| 11:51.52 | jm_ | chimaera: I thought module-init-tools and modutils can't coexist - or can they ? |
| 11:51.59 | hsaliak | they can |
| 11:52.07 | jm_ | then dpkg -L it and find a similar tool |
| 11:52.22 | jm_ | yeah it would be stupid for them to Replace each other or somesuch |
| 11:52.43 | chimaera | jm_: seem like its man modprobe.conf |
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| 11:52.54 | jm_ | chimaera: ok, a bit different then |
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| 11:54.03 | bizkit | anyone knows howto create folders above INBOX using courier-imap? (i can just create subfolders of INBOX) |
| 11:54.23 | sladegen | chimaera: perheps you forgot make modules_install ekhmmm ;) |
| 11:54.44 | zakame | how is gstreamer/unstable? you folks in here had any experience with it? |
| 11:54.47 | jm_ | no he has different problem, i.e. trying to figure out where to alias something to off |
| 11:54.58 | Nicolo` | is there a tool to display all available fonts in my debian box? (i'd like something that displays all the names in different fonts) |
| 11:55.08 | jm_ | Nicolo`: xlsfonts |
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| 11:55.43 | Nicolo` | jm_ : i get only the names |
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| 11:55.46 | SlayerXP | join #swlug |
| 11:55.53 | SlayerXP | err |
| 11:56.08 | Nicolo` | i'd like to have something graphical, with the names written in that name's font |
| 11:56.13 | sladegen | Nicolo`: no you get everything |
| 11:56.28 | jm_ | Nicolo`: xfontsel/gtkfontsel |
| 11:56.55 | linuxtech|work | msg nickserv identify mytopsecretpassword |
| 11:56.55 | sladegen | perheps even kfontsel ;() |
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| 11:57.23 | Nicolo` | ok, thanks a lot, it's working now :) |
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| 11:59.25 | chimaera | sladegen: shouldnt be make-kpkg responsible for this? ;) |
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| 11:59.50 | sladegen | dont know never ever used it ;( |
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| 12:00.06 | jm_ | heh |
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| 12:00.13 | mage | wtf |
| 12:00.21 | sladegen | dang... |
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| 12:00.38 | chimaera | *gg* |
| 12:00.49 | chimaera | the nets going down. finally ;) |
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| 12:01.52 | tacocat | I wonder if it being noon in GMT has anything to do with it. top of the hour seems suspicious |
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| 12:02.08 | martin | Hi, I've a Problem with my Cups Deamon. The Problem is, that libgnutls.so.7 has no version information. I tried to uninstall and reinstall, but it didn't work, Can anybody help? |
| 12:02.29 | sladegen | tacocat: dhcp? |
| 12:02.30 | PhiberOptik | pff, net down? |
| 12:02.47 | PhiberOptik | hm maybe its back again ;p |
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| 12:03.22 | Coke | Hello. Can grub display images in the menu like lilo? |
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| 12:03.39 | jm_ | Coke: yes |
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| 12:03.41 | SlayerXP | Coke: what do the docs says on the matter? |
| 12:03.50 | codswallop | has anyone got bitlbee with msn support working on woody? |
| 12:04.13 | Coke | SlayerXP: I haven't found anything about it in the documentation on the GNU GRUB page. |
| 12:05.09 | codswallop | when i compile bitlbee it fails in the link step with /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgnutls |
| 12:05.13 | Coke | jm_: could you direct me to where I can read about this? |
| 12:05.15 | SlayerXP | Coke: google gave me the right answer on the first page of hits |
| 12:05.24 | SlayerXP | Coke: there's a debian specific howto in fact. |
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| 12:05.34 | sladegen | still Coke even if you will most probably need to enable fb... |
| 12:05.41 | SlayerXP | "GRUB Splash Image Howto |
| 12:05.41 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:05.43 | tacocat | sladegen: huh? |
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| 12:05.45 | Coke | SlayerXP: I searched for "grub logo framebuffer" |
| 12:06.02 | SlayerXP | ~tell elmig about away |
| 12:06.14 | SlayerXP | Coke: I didn't. |
| 12:06.31 | codswallop | although the packages gnutls3 and libgnutls7 are both installed :S |
| 12:06.33 | sladegen | tacocat: rats... net down... dhcp leases... duh |
| 12:06.42 | Coke | SlayerXP: no, your search was right on the money. |
| 12:06.49 | tacocat | Yes.... Might be... |
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| 12:07.42 | Coke | SlayerXP: pity it only supports 14 colors. |
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| 12:08.31 | sladegen | codswallop: is it even linked with them libs? if not you might need to recompile/exercise a bit... just a random didbit |
| 12:09.14 | SlayerXP | Coke: back in the good old days of the acorn electron, we had 8 colours, and we were grateful for them. |
| 12:10.37 | sladegen | Coke: stop dubious embelishments and try doing something serious with your shiny worth in 10s of 1000s of $$ on the black market linux box |
| 12:10.45 | jm_ | Coke: GRUB has got nothing to do with FB |
| 12:11.00 | sladegen | jm_: but logo has |
| 12:11.06 | Anarion | uhm bob2 |
| 12:11.08 | Anarion | still here? |
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| 12:11.24 | jm_ | sladegen: better think again |
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| 12:11.53 | sladegen | try me ;P |
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| 12:12.08 | jm_ | he asked about GRUB splash images, not about "logo" |
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| 12:12.51 | sladegen | jm_: and was even smart enough to look for "grub ... framebuffer" in google ;() |
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| 12:13.45 | jm_ | sladegen: well you can also try searching for grub randomword and hope it will give you useful results ;) |
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| 12:14.13 | codswallop | sladegen: i dunno... how do i find that out? |
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| 12:14.22 | Bangers | anyone have any experience with pxegrub |
| 12:14.34 | jm_ | Bangers: yes, people on GRUB mailin list do |
| 12:14.36 | sladegen | heh yea no matter ... wanna see mu $PS1 ;?) |
| 12:14.37 | jm_ | mailing |
| 12:15.05 | sladegen | codswallop: ldd `which <binary_name>` |
| 12:15.07 | elmig | how can i check wich packets need to be installed to use a packet? Suppose, to use mozilla i would need X, ... |
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| 12:15.20 | jm_ | elmig: check Depends field |
| 12:15.49 | Bangers | jm_, is there a archive for the mailing list? Preferably jsut for pxegrub? |
| 12:15.51 | elmig | where? |
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| 12:16.03 | jm_ | Bangers: they have archives for GRUB list |
| 12:16.16 | jm_ | apt-cache show package_name displays all headers |
| 12:16.20 | codswallop | sladegen: well my _currently_ installed bitlbee doesn't require the library. the one i'd like to compile is failing to link because it says it can't find it. so there's nothing to feed to ldd as of yet |
| 12:16.25 | jm_ | there's also apt-rdepends or somesuch in unstable |
| 12:16.45 | sladegen | codswallop: -dev packages |
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| 12:17.43 | codswallop | sladegen: ack, broken packages |
| 12:17.46 | sladegen | codswallop: and install checkinstall... might be more clean of a mess ;)) or maint-guide |
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| 12:18.39 | alessandro_ | hi |
| 12:19.15 | sladegen | codswallop: if its failing at link time try ./configure it and tell where, which libs are... edit Makefile in a pinch? |
| 12:19.45 | alessandro_ | should I install sid for powerpc via Internet? |
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| 12:20.52 | png | anyone here with apache problems, using unstable? I cant start apache since my last upgrade |
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| 12:21.11 | KugXel | nas |
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| 12:21.24 | xukun | Hi all |
| 12:21.25 | KugXel | como puedo ver mi version de kernel?? |
| 12:21.30 | Sebulba02 | png: what version is your last update/ |
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| 12:21.50 | KugXel | whow I can see my kernel version?? Thks |
| 12:21.56 | caphuso | KugXel: uname -r |
| 12:21.59 | Sebulba02 | KugXel: uname -a |
| 12:21.59 | SlayerXP | KugXel: uname -r |
| 12:22.04 | Sebulba02 | -r , sorry |
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| 12:22.18 | png | ii apache 1.3.29.0.1-3 |
| 12:22.31 | Sebulba02 | png: I'm running that fine. |
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| 12:22.45 | KugXel | thks |
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| 12:22.54 | png | Im trying to start it with /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 12:22.59 | png | but it says nothing, just dies |
| 12:23.03 | Sebulba02 | do the error logs say anything? |
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| 12:23.09 | KugXel | exit |
| 12:23.11 | png | no |
| 12:23.13 | png | nothing |
| 12:23.19 | xukun | I have created a samba pdc. Joined with the windows xp client but when I try do samething like updating norton I get the masage that I don't have a permission to do this |
| 12:23.21 | sladegen | Sebulba02: better start interigation by asking him about err message |
| 12:23.37 | xukun | please help me |
| 12:23.42 | png | well |
| 12:23.57 | png | the error log says: Processing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d, Processing config file: /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin |
| 12:24.03 | Sebulba02 | sladegen: I just wanted to make sure we were on the same version, I can't update offen on dialup, before I started asking him everything. |
| 12:25.43 | Sebulba02 | png: Uh, try moving that config out of there? |
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| 12:26.24 | codswallop | sladegen: problem is i'm getting circular dependency problems when i try to install the gnutls-dev package |
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| 12:27.30 | gpn | Sebulba02: I tried to comment that out |
| 12:27.34 | gpn | still doesnt start |
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| 12:28.08 | Sebulba02 | gpn: Move it out of that directory |
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| 12:28.17 | KrisZ_[88] | hi all |
| 12:28.19 | sladegen | codswallop: hmmm ... Conflicts: gnutls0, gnutls0.4... |
| 12:28.37 | gpn | Sebulba02: but I commented it out |
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| 12:28.54 | sladegen | codswallop: you dont need gnutls i would wager... |
| 12:28.58 | Sebulba02 | gpn: Doesn't matter, apache on startup tries to read that directory for all config files |
| 12:29.11 | gpn | oh ok |
| 12:29.16 | KrisZ_[88] | does evrybody speak hungarian? |
| 12:29.17 | codswallop | sladegen: eh? why not? |
| 12:29.56 | jm_ | KrisZ_[88]: hungarians supposedly |
| 12:30.01 | SlayerXP | KrisZ_[88]: most martians don't no. |
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| 12:30.13 | sladegen | codswallop: bkoz its the same thing with diff name? do apt-cache show libgnutls7 and look at Conflicts: line |
| 12:30.13 | gpn | Sebulba02: still doesnt start |
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| 12:30.26 | SlayerXP | KrisZ_[88]: and the french are notorious for speaking french. |
| 12:30.28 | gpn | # pid file /var/run/apache.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run? |
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| 12:30.36 | SlayerXP | you'd think they'd invented or something |
| 12:30.56 | Sebulba02 | gpn: does it give you the option to force it? |
| 12:31.07 | codswallop | sladegen: so why doesn't the thing link? i do have the libgnutls7 package installed |
| 12:31.13 | gpn | Sebulba02: no nothing |
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| 12:31.27 | gpn | rimbo:/etc/apache# /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 12:31.28 | gpn | Starting web server: apacheProcessing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 12:31.30 | gpn | . |
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| 12:31.42 | Sebulba02 | gpn: it always says that |
| 12:31.47 | xukun | how can give the windows client an administrative rights after joining the samba domain? |
| 12:32.02 | gpn | Sebulba02: I checked all logs, nothing is showing |
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| 12:32.36 | sladegen | codswallop: u have no idea... im sorry i even started. no place and time to tech you compiling... its a pain you brought on yourself ;() |
| 12:33.00 | sladegen | s/u/i/ |
| 12:33.04 | codswallop | sladegen: ok. thanks for trying :) |
| 12:33.10 | Sebulba02 | gpn: did it says it failed? or just silently stop again? |
| 12:33.23 | gpn | no, it just silently dies |
| 12:33.36 | Anarion | i always get such stupid address combinations in my apt-get how must my sources.list entry look like that i get normal adresses??? |
| 12:33.38 | Anarion | http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/binary-i386/dists/woody/kernel-image-2.4.23-i386/binary-i386/initrd-tools/binary-i386/modutils/binary-i386/modutils_2.4.25-2.backports.org.1_i386.deb |
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| 12:33.44 | KrisZ_[88] | has debian linux 3.0 got hungarian language? |
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| 12:33.56 | jm_ | KrispET: for installation ? |
| 12:33.59 | Anarion | szia *g* |
| 12:34.00 | jm_ | KrisZ_[88] ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:34.31 | sladegen | codswallop: are you even sure its failing at the linking stage??? if you know about this i would think youd manage... |
| 12:34.33 | gpn | how can I make apache tell me whats wrong :| |
| 12:34.41 | KrisZ_[88] | ^^^^^^^^? |
| 12:34.43 | Sebulba02 | gpn: tell it to stop , then try to start again. |
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| 12:34.48 | codswallop | sladegen: yes i am. i got it working now. thanks again! |
| 12:34.59 | jm_ | read a line above the one with ^^^^^^ |
| 12:35.11 | gpn | Sebulba02: nothing |
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| 12:35.18 | KrisZ_[88] | y/n ? |
| 12:35.27 | jm_ | yup |
| 12:35.39 | KrisZ_[88] | thx |
| 12:35.40 | gpn | Sebulba02: if I reinstall apache, it works again, but when I reboot it stops working |
| 12:35.48 | Sebulba02 | gpn: I dunno, there should be something in /var/log/apache/error.log of whats wrong. |
| 12:35.49 | jm_ | heh he misunderstood ;) |
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| 12:35.57 | gpn | Sebulba02: its nothing there |
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| 12:36.24 | sladegen | gpn: tell apache to debug itself |
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| 12:36.39 | gpn | sladegen: how? |
| 12:36.54 | sladegen | man apache??? |
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| 12:37.02 | gpn | isnt this a helpchannel? |
| 12:37.07 | sladegen | man -k .... man man? |
| 12:37.14 | jm_ | no we don't help people who use unstable ;) |
| 12:37.24 | sladegen | gpn: i dont even have apache installed right now.... |
| 12:37.26 | gpn | oh, thats nice |
| 12:37.36 | rsff | guys, for some reason, I can't type accents like á or ã or é when using Openoffice... Any ideas what the problem could be? |
| 12:37.36 | Sebulba02 | gpn: and that might be more of an #apache question also |
| 12:37.37 | jm_ | no it's not nice, it's smart |
| 12:37.49 | sladegen | and i dont remmeebr every f$%^& oprions |
| 12:37.53 | rsff | also GDM is not translated (althought, i'm pritty suremy system is set to portuguese. |
| 12:38.10 | gpn | [info] mod_unique_id: using ip addr 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:38.36 | Anarion | well but even the new selfcompiled version of apache2 worked without any dep problems on my woody box |
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| 12:39.15 | sladegen | rsff: how pretty are you... if very i dont think i can help ;) |
| 12:40.05 | rsff | sladegen: huh. Then you probably didn't have to say anything... but thanks for the efford anyway. |
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| 12:40.19 | tux-helper | OT how do i register my nick? |
| 12:40.27 | jm_ | /msg nickserv help |
| 12:40.42 | tux-helper | thx |
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| 12:40.55 | rnc | Setting up debconf (1.3.22) ... |
| 12:40.55 | rnc | Sorry: MemoryError: () |
| 12:40.55 | rnc | dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure): |
| 12:40.56 | dpkg | rnc: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:41.02 | rnc | any idea on how to debug it ? |
| 12:41.12 | Skaagy | I have some strange issue while running lilo - it just hangs there, on two of my machines. |
| 12:41.16 | LoonaTick | apt lagged? |
| 12:41.20 | | Uhm. Maybe. |
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| 12:41.29 | Skaagy | when running strace lilo, I see an invalid ioctl call error |
| 12:41.32 | rsff | dpkg tell Skaagy about root |
| 12:41.33 | LoonaTick | at least i dont see no root :p |
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| 12:41.50 | Skaagy | rsff: Look again at my info... this is a windows machine... |
| 12:41.57 | rsff | ah. |
| 12:41.58 | rnc | ? |
| 12:41.58 | rsff | sorry |
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| 12:42.19 | rsff | Skaag: where does it hang? |
| 12:42.33 | rsff | Where is that root user? |
| 12:42.36 | Skaag | it just waits there forever. I know for a fact that the lilo.conf file is good. |
| 12:42.45 | rnc | anyone having problems with debconf on sid ? |
| 12:42.47 | Skaag | rsff: It shouts that about me for some reason, altough the user is rewt and not root |
| 12:43.03 | rsff | funky. |
| 12:43.06 | rnc | i keep getting "Sorry: MemoryError: ()" and then nothing can get upgraded/removed with apt |
| 12:43.13 | sladegen | -t tried? |
| 12:43.23 | Skaag | sladegen, me? |
| 12:43.37 | Skaag | yes, it hangs just the same. just waits there. |
| 12:43.50 | rsff | Skaag: you mean it enters on lilo (the little red screen) and then just sits there with no timer, or does it hang there. |
| 12:44.00 | rsff | Skaag: as in crash. |
| 12:44.28 | Skaag | no i mean i'm in a shell, and i'm trying to run lilo so it will rewrite the settings |
| 12:44.30 | sladegen | ohhh.... you mean lilo while booting or ... while liloing? |
| 12:44.36 | Skaag | while liloing |
| 12:44.52 | Skaag | On one of the boxes I have this raid controller: 00:01.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c895 (rev 02) |
| 12:44.54 | rnc | debconf uses python ? |
| 12:44.54 | sladegen | -v -v ??? when it stops might be disk write? |
| 12:44.59 | rnc | i mean, is it written in python ? |
| 12:44.59 | Skaag | on the other it's a DEC Raid controller |
| 12:45.20 | Skaag | yes, it pauses forever on this action: |
| 12:45.20 | Skaag | pf_hard_disk_scan: ndevs=1 |
| 12:45.37 | Skaag | raid_setup returns offset = 00000000 ndisk = 0 |
| 12:45.37 | Skaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.37 | Skaag | Reading boot sector from /dev/ida/c0d0 |
| 12:45.41 | sladegen | Skaag: i recently overheard some talk about gcc miscompiling LILO... might be it? sid? |
| 12:45.49 | Skaag | unstable... |
| 12:45.50 | Skaag | yes |
| 12:45.53 | Skaag | hm... |
| 12:46.45 | sladegen | some newest gcc.... so it might be it... then again. |
| 12:46.52 | Dewi | does anybody know how to completely disable visual bells in screen? |
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| 12:47.13 | sladegen | man readline? |
| 12:47.37 | caphuso | Dewi: man screen, search for vbell |
| 12:47.41 | jm_ | indeed |
| 12:47.50 | Dewi | caphuso : I did... there is "vbell" which disables only once, for one window |
| 12:50.32 | rnc | grrr |
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| 12:50.33 | Dewi | caphuso : many commands have a "def" version which changes the default, but not vbell |
| 12:50.33 | seto | hello all .. can I mount an image iso , on my hdd in rw ? |
| 12:50.33 | rnc | how do I manually "configure" (the apt step) package 'debconf', in order to debug why i get this apt error while installing anything ? |
| 12:50.33 | BuX13 | hi |
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| 12:50.33 | jm_ | rnc: take a look at the scripts ... |
| 12:50.33 | seto | i use this .. mount /plop.ixo /plop -o loop,rw,nodev .. |
| 12:50.33 | rsff | seto yes |
| 12:50.33 | seto | but I can write in /plop ... |
| 12:50.33 | Dewi | can an ISO be r/w? |
| 12:50.33 | rsff | Yes. |
| 12:50.33 | Dewi | it's not really a read-write filesystem... |
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| 12:50.34 | rsff | That's how they make Knoppix images, for example. |
| 12:50.34 | rnc | jm_: ok, but where are debconf postinstall/etc scripts located ? |
| 12:50.34 | jm_ | rnc: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 12:50.34 | rnc | jm_: thx |
| 12:50.34 | caphuso | Dewi: it didn't occur to you that simply dumping the vbell command in your ~/.screenrc would do the trick? |
| 12:50.34 | Nurbs | they don't mount ISO rw to create a knoppix image I bet |
| 12:50.34 | Nurbs | one does use mkisofs or similar |
| 12:50.34 | Dewi | caphuso : does .screenrc get loaded for each window I create? |
| 12:50.34 | rsff | Nurbs: sure they do. Except they use Chroot to change the image. |
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| 12:50.34 | Dewi | caphuso : I'm pretty sure it doesn't |
| 12:50.34 | caphuso | Dewi: it gets loaded when you start screen |
| 12:50.42 | seto | Nurbs yes they dont mount iso . they make a partition and copy all of the cdrom into it .. (sorry for my bad english) |
| 12:50.47 | jm_ | Dewi: you can issue screen commands in screen too, read its help |
| 12:50.49 | Dewi | caphuso : so "vbell off" will change visual bells off for my first screen only |
| 12:50.56 | Nurbs | rsff: "change the image"? |
| 12:50.59 | Dewi | caphuso : all additional windows will still have it |
| 12:51.00 | caphuso | Dewi: and for any other |
| 12:51.02 | seto | rsff , you say yes it s possible ... what command do you use ? |
| 12:51.06 | caphuso | Dewi: nonsense |
| 12:51.09 | Dewi | caphuso : that's not what it says in man... but you may be right |
| 12:51.10 | rsff | seto: I have no idea... |
| 12:51.32 | seto | rsff they use chroot with the new partition .. |
| 12:51.37 | rsff | Nurbs: Yeah. they mount the image as it was a partition, then chroot to it, and then us apt-get to install/uninstall things... |
| 12:51.41 | Dewi | caphuso : or do new windows copy all their settings from an existing window? |
| 12:51.46 | caphuso | Dewi: no |
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| 12:52.01 | seto | but now i want to make a new knoppix .. and i havent enought space on my hdd .. tomake an new partition .. |
| 12:52.05 | seto | no idea ? |
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| 12:52.32 | rsff | seto, Nurbs: sorry. correction. they don't mount the ISO image, but rather the action OS image that is in the ISO. |
| 12:52.39 | rnc | jm_: i think i've found a bug then. Related to python2.3, UTF-8 and a compile step on the postinst script. I'll try the bugtracker once i've cleared it up |
| 12:52.47 | rsff | s/action/actual |
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| 12:53.06 | jm_ | rnc: why not check BTS first ? |
| 12:53.08 | Dewi | brb - restarting screen |
| 12:53.21 | rnc | jm_: doing it right now :) |
| 12:53.38 | seto | rsff .. hmm yes i try |
| 12:54.06 | rsff | seto: there is a file in the Knoppix homepage/CD that tells you how to change the image. |
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| 12:54.51 | seto | rsff yes I know , and in this file it say to me , make a new partition , bott the cdrom .. use cloop ... and chroot .. |
| 12:54.59 | Nurbs | rsff: how sure are you? |
| 12:54.59 | seto | but I dont want to boot the cdrom .. |
| 12:55.01 | Dewi | nice |
| 12:55.03 | Dewi | it works |
| 12:55.08 | rsff | Nurbs: pritty sure. |
| 12:55.19 | rsff | Nurbs: but not incredably certain to put my life on it. |
| 12:55.19 | seto | sorry formy bad english |
| 12:55.22 | Nurbs | rsff: because I for sure can't mount ISO 9660 rw on 2.6 |
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| 12:55.32 | Nurbs | rsff: and that's with a loopback image on hdd... |
| 12:55.34 | jm_ | Nurbs: you're rigyht about that, it's RO only fs |
| 12:55.46 | rsff | Nurbs: That's what I just said. Knoppix people odn'tmount the ISO, they mounthe compressed OS image ON the iso, and then chroot to it. |
| 12:55.55 | Nurbs | rsff: doh :) |
| 12:56.03 | Nurbs | rsff: overread that |
| 12:56.08 | rsff | ;-) |
| 12:56.10 | Nurbs | :) |
| 12:56.39 | sladegen | seto: and you dont have to make new partition... you can make it in a file too |
| 12:56.41 | seto | the unpack the iso .. on hdd .. and mount with cloop the boot.img ... |
| 12:56.51 | caphuso | rsff: then what do they need cloop for? |
| 12:56.55 | seto | sladegen ok |
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| 12:57.42 | rsff | Nurbs: How is 2.6? |
| 12:57.42 | Nurbs | rsff: unstable. |
| 12:57.42 | Nurbs | rsff: at least here... :) |
| 12:57.42 | seto | lol |
| 12:57.42 | rsff | They say its faster... |
| 12:57.42 | rsff | is it? |
| 12:57.42 | Nurbs | yes, a lot |
| 12:57.42 | rsff | cool. |
| 12:57.42 | caphuso | rsff: ah, scratch that. i misread you :-( |
| 12:57.42 | SlayerXP | 2.6.0 certainly locks X faster than 2.4 |
| 12:57.48 | Nurbs | SlayerXP: that, too :) |
| 12:58.03 | Nurbs | rsff: more responsive, way more disk throughput (about 20% here) |
| 12:58.09 | rsff | caphuso: :-) |
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| 12:58.16 | sladegen | oh just dont use X... i dont and am almost happy |
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| 12:58.36 | Nurbs | until test9 it ran stable here :\ |
| 12:58.47 | seto | ok i go to test 2.6 , the morphix will be wait |
| 12:58.55 | Skaag | ok sladegen and rsff, it does look like the problem is due to a new lilo |
| 12:59.06 | rsff | I need a stable X system, So I guess I won't be compiling 2.6 for a while... |
| 12:59.08 | rsff | :-( |
| 12:59.23 | Skaag | rsff: I use 2.6 with X for a while now (since test3) |
| 12:59.28 | Skaag | what's the problem? |
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| 13:00.09 | rsff | Skaag: People just said that 2.6 release isn't very stable with X... |
| 13:00.19 | rsff | yet |
| 13:00.21 | sladegen | yea might be only specific to some drivers.... i hope because i would really like to see if suspending will work in 2.6 |
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| 13:00.45 | seto | with the nv diver X work ? |
| 13:00.53 | Skaag | 2.6.1 should be ok... |
| 13:00.56 | Skaag | when it comes out ;-) |
| 13:00.56 | streuner_ | rsff: crap |
| 13:01.02 | rsff | ?? |
| 13:01.16 | seto | 2.6.1 is out ? |
| 13:01.22 | streuner_ | rsff: what should be NOT stable? |
| 13:01.26 | streuner_ | seto: no |
| 13:01.42 | rsff | streuner_: what do you mean. What should be unstable where? |
| 13:01.49 | rsff | when? huh? WTF? |
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| 13:02.00 | streuner_ | <rsff> Skaag: People just said that 2.6 release isn't very stable with X... |
| 13:02.04 | seto | kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 and this is good ? |
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| 13:02.32 | sladegen | seto: if you really must.... www.kernel.org |
| 13:02.44 | rsff | Anybody here happily running the 2.6 kernel with the NV driver, and still having problems with X? |
| 13:02.50 | seto | I just want to try 2.6 |
| 13:02.56 | streuner_ | rsff: it's most likely misconfigured Xf86Config.... |
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| 13:03.25 | streuner_ | rsff: try #nvidia |
| 13:03.37 | rsff | \join #nvidia |
| 13:03.38 | rsff | oops |
| 13:03.44 | rsff | wronb backslash. |
| 13:04.08 | witless | hi. i have to load several modules every time i boot (eepro100, ati-agp, and radeon) - can i get these to load automatically on boot? |
| 13:04.35 | rsff | witless: which kernel are you using? |
| 13:04.36 | streuner_ | witless: edit /etc/modules |
| 13:04.38 | witless | 2.6.0 |
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| 13:04.49 | caphuso | witless: add them to /etc/modules |
| 13:04.53 | witless | thx |
| 13:05.13 | rsff | I think I'm gonna do it. |
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| 13:06.03 | witless | any opinions on which driver is better: eepro100, or the one by intel - e100 ? |
| 13:06.19 | seto | what is better 2.6.0 test 10 or 2.6.0 |
| 13:06.33 | _diego_ | witless: intel version works better in hard condition... |
| 13:06.35 | Griffon26 | seto: 2.6.0 of course |
| 13:06.38 | sladegen | latter |
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| 13:06.41 | witless | thx diego |
| 13:06.49 | seto | ok .. |
| 13:06.54 | streuner_ | seto: the whole test-series runs pretty stable here and 2.6.0 too. |
| 13:07.02 | Griffon26 | seto: 2.6.0-testxx are test versions that were released before 2.6.0 was final |
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| 13:07.14 | rsff | TTYl guys. |
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| 13:07.22 | witless | does unstable have a 2.6.0 kernel now? i got mine from kernel.org |
| 13:07.25 | alem | where does debians proftpd read the config from ? |
| 13:07.31 | seto | ok thx Griffon26 ... but why 2.6.0 isn t in debian package ? |
| 13:07.43 | Dewi | /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 13:07.46 | Skaag | ok actually it's the same lilo binary - it works ok on one box, it does not work ok on another box |
| 13:07.48 | alem | it doesnt seem to read from there |
| 13:07.51 | Griffon26 | dunno |
| 13:07.53 | Dewi | alem : mine does |
| 13:07.59 | Dewi | alem : default everything |
| 13:08.08 | Griffon26 | can anybody tell me how risky it is to downgrade glibc? |
| 13:08.16 | streuner_ | witless: yesterday there weren't any 2.6.0 kernel-images avaiable, only 2.6.0-test(X), but i think it should be in the mirrors soon. |
| 13:08.18 | Dewi | alem : have you restarted the daemon? (unless you're running inetd) |
| 13:08.23 | alem | how come it shows the version before login, even though i use defferlogin ? |
| 13:08.33 | caphuso | Griffon26: from what to what |
| 13:08.34 | caphuso | ? |
| 13:08.52 | alem | a friend gave me his proftpd.conf, but it didnt apply the changes |
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| 13:09.05 | alem | also it still shows the banner |
| 13:09.13 | Griffon26 | 2.3.2 to 2.2.4 iirc, I know they are incompatible, which is why I want to do the downgrade in the first place |
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| 13:09.57 | sladegen | is there a way to have both versions of glibc btw? |
| 13:10.03 | caphuso | Griffon26: you can't just downgrade glibc like that |
| 13:10.05 | streuner_ | no |
| 13:10.15 | caphuso | not without risking some major fuckup |
| 13:10.16 | Dewi | alem : if proftpd is running all the time, you will need to get it to load the file again |
| 13:10.25 | sladegen | not even with pining or the like? |
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| 13:10.51 | zakame | hello again! |
| 13:10.53 | caphuso | sladegen: pinning doesn't solve any of the problems related to downgrading |
| 13:10.54 | Dewi | alem : /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 13:10.56 | irvken | ok, then I managed to install and boot a kernel, however i then had no network access so I had to edit the vmlinux ln in / tp point to the old kernel so I could I reboot and get back on the net. What might I have missed, or do i have to redo something after booting with the new kernel? |
| 13:11.07 | sladegen | how about making some glibc-compat??? |
| 13:11.09 | Griffon26 | caphuso: I was afraid of that. The problem is that someone put apt-get upgrade in a cron job and now we have 2.3.2 while we still need to compile for another computer that has 2.2.4 |
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| 13:11.11 | alem | it is not in init.d |
| 13:11.13 | Stickman | hi |
| 13:11.20 | Dewi | irvken : maybe the new kernel isn't automatically probing your network hardware |
| 13:11.25 | Dewi | irvken : you may need to install the module manually |
| 13:11.28 | Stickman | please tell me where Debian strore passwords for login ? |
| 13:11.38 | caphuso | oh, stupid admins |
| 13:11.42 | Dewi | irvken : for this I generally use "modconf" |
| 13:11.54 | jm_ | Stickman: it would largely depend on your configuration, but default is shadow file |
| 13:11.54 | alem | ok thnx |
| 13:12.05 | alem | how come debain doesnt load apm at startup ? |
| 13:12.34 | Stickman | jm_: if its so trouble please tell me what i must do to rename existing account? |
| 13:12.51 | Griffon26 | caphuso: if you see another solution, it would be most welcome =] |
| 13:12.51 | alem | i have to load it every time manualy, because my comp. wont power down |
| 13:12.56 | Mave | alem: apm is optional |
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| 13:13.18 | Mave | alem: learn to use modconf, /etc/modules |
| 13:13.21 | jm_ | Stickman: you have to do that manually |
| 13:13.22 | alem | Mave: how can i make it load at startup |
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| 13:13.40 | Stickman | jm_: how? |
| 13:13.48 | sladegen | alem: you have ACPI only in kernel?.... |
| 13:14.01 | caphuso | Griffon26: you have basically three possibilities: 1) forcing the downgrade, hoping for the best. 2) reinstall woody from scratch or restore a backup. 3) set up a small woody chroot |
| 13:14.04 | jm_ | Stickman: with an editor, they're text files |
| 13:14.28 | Stickman | jm_: which files i must edit? |
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| 13:14.39 | SlayerXP | Stickman: are you an MCSE? |
| 13:14.51 | jm_ | Stickman: man 5 passwd ; man 5 shadow |
| 13:14.52 | Stickman | SlayerXP: no |
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| 13:15.17 | sladegen | Stickman: man usermod |
| 13:15.28 | B0ZNACU | hi there. does anyone know what is the name of the package that i must install in order to have java applets working? |
| 13:15.31 | Stickman | thanks |
| 13:15.37 | witless | hmmm... i seem to be unable to maximize/resize mplayer on unstable with 2.6.0 kernel. any ideas? |
| 13:15.40 | Shadur | jm_: doesn't usermod handle that? |
| 13:15.44 | jm_ | ahh usermod supports it, I missed it earlier |
| 13:15.52 | Stickman | :) |
| 13:15.54 | jm_ | I was looking for an option with two arguments ;) |
| 13:15.58 | SlayerXP | Stickman: running a debian server is like running a car. it's usually a good idea to know where the brakes are before you start. and which side of the road to drive on. and what a car looks like. |
| 13:16.01 | irvken | Dewi: I did ls mod after booting the new kerenl and there was nothing there at all why might that be |
| 13:16.38 | Dewi | irvken : lsmod only lists the modules currently loaded |
| 13:16.42 | Stickman | SlayerXP: i compile debian 2 months ago |
| 13:16.56 | witless | slayerxp: but if there's a guy who looks like your boss chasing you with an axe, sometimes you just jump in and drive like hell. |
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| 13:17.14 | SlayerXP | Stickman: you compiled it? what on earth for? |
| 13:17.21 | Stickman | ech install |
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| 13:17.26 | Dewi | irvken : to add new modules, you can use "modconf" (unless the module is trying and failing to load for some reason) |
| 13:17.46 | Dewi | irvken : oh, you mean nothing *at all*? no modules? |
| 13:18.16 | Dewi | irvken : in that case, sounds like the new kernel can't find its modules |
| 13:18.36 | sladegen | SlayerXP: no with debian you better have serious background in chemistry and physics of internal combustion engines ;) |
| 13:18.42 | Dewi | irvken : I'm not too experienced so I'm not sure how that woul d happen / how to fix it, sorry |
| 13:18.52 | zakame | what is goin on here? |
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| 13:19.39 | sladegen | blind leading dumb |
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| 13:20.10 | Mave | where can I set klogd console output log level ? looks like it needs a /etc/defaultklogd |
| 13:20.18 | jm_ | Mave: via sysctl |
| 13:20.27 | jm_ | i.e. /msg dpkg printk console |
| 13:20.41 | Mave | jm_: that's ok too. thanks |
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| 13:20.57 | razor | pato, dont irc as root |
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| 13:21.19 | witless | anyone successfully using icewm-GNOME in place of metacity on unstable? |
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| 13:22.14 | Shay | pato, cuak |
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| 13:22.21 | Stickman | to use usermod i must creat another account?? |
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| 13:22.35 | pato | Shay, cuak cuak |
| 13:22.41 | Shay | pato, :) |
| 13:22.49 | sladegen | Stickman: -l option |
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| 13:23.52 | Stickman | knoppix@Testament:/etc$ usermod -l stickman |
| 13:23.53 | sladegen | rml&rtvetud |
| 13:23.54 | Stickman | usermod: user stickman does not exist |
| 13:23.58 | hairy_potter | whats a cuak? |
| 13:24.13 | Shay | hairy_potter, it's how a duck does |
| 13:24.21 | Shay | hairy_potter, pato in spanish means duck |
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| 13:24.26 | sladegen | usermod -l stickman <user_name> |
| 13:24.29 | Shay | hairy_potter, and pato is from .cl |
| 13:24.32 | Shay | (chile) |
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| 13:24.57 | Stickman | knoppix@Testament:~$ usermod -l stickman knoppix |
| 13:24.58 | Stickman | usermod: unable to lock password file |
| 13:25.06 | hairy_potter | ah |
| 13:25.16 | hairy_potter | Stickman: hello |
| 13:25.17 | sladegen | beeeeeeeeeeee f$%^& root |
| 13:25.24 | Stickman | su |
| 13:25.26 | amon-re | How do I configure the nameservers? There is no /etc/resolv.conf... |
| 13:25.26 | hairy_potter | because in english, men say 'hello' ;) |
| 13:25.44 | jm_ | amon-re: so create it ? |
| 13:26.20 | CueballUK | How can I stop the DNS sent by my ADSL modem via DHCP being used for the system? |
| 13:26.46 | jm_ | CueballUK: doesn't dhcp client have an option for that ? |
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| 13:27.33 | CueballUK | I tried supersede domain-name-servers 195.137.42.35 but this never worked |
| 13:28.00 | Stickman | how to do a new home directory for new user? |
| 13:28.27 | sladegen | Stickman: read.... read.... 'man man' 1st of all |
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| 13:28.54 | Stickman | sladegen: i reading that but i dont know how command must look |
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| 13:29.47 | Eildon | man adduser ? |
| 13:29.57 | sladegen | you want your ass be wiped for you by friends and parents all your life? |
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| 13:30.16 | Gnea | Running Sid on an athlon 900 (asus a7v133 mobo) with all SCSI (no ide devices) latest gcc 3.3.3 segfaults constantly - kernel builds, ./configure's etc... is it just me or are there others who have seen this behavior lately? |
| 13:30.18 | sladegen | there is magical SEE ALSO section... and man -k .... |
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| 13:32.01 | sladegen | Gnea: might be.... using latest gcc means living dangerously ;) |
| 13:32.25 | Mave | Stickman: best way for learning is trying |
| 13:32.46 | Gnea | sladegen: hehe true, i'm gonna downport to 3.2 and see if that fixes it |
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| 13:33.27 | Stickman | Mave: YEAH Victory :)) |
| 13:33.32 | Stickman | now reboot :) |
| 13:33.54 | sladegen | Stickman: why reboot? |
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| 13:34.17 | sladegen | relogin |
| 13:34.18 | X^O^R | hello folks... |
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| 13:35.01 | X^O^R | could i request some help? |
| 13:35.12 | sladegen | no ;P |
| 13:35.12 | hairy_potter | X^O^R: if you asked your question |
| 13:35.13 | Sebulba02 | that depends |
| 13:35.17 | Shay | X^O^R, no |
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| 13:35.23 | X^O^R | :) well |
| 13:35.39 | X^O^R | i was a bit reluctant, anyway: i want to try out debian |
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| 13:35.54 | ftmiranda | I kinda need some help.... I need to obtain the ip address of a machine, I used the ifconfig eth0 to display the eth0 information.. now I need to filter only the ip address of it... could I have some help with that? |
| 13:35.59 | hairy_potter | X^O^R: go ahead... try it! :^) |
| 13:36.01 | X^O^R | i have been a user of red hat, and quite new to linux on the overall |
| 13:36.05 | caphuso | ftmiranda: /msg dpkg myip |
| 13:36.16 | Shay | X^O^R, read the Debian reference manual :) |
| 13:36.19 | X^O^R | some one recomended debian and i bieng new to it, downloaded woody |
| 13:36.23 | shaddai | ftmiranda: awk is your friend |
| 13:36.23 | ftmiranda | caphuso, what? |
| 13:36.35 | Shay | X^O^R, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 13:36.35 | X^O^R | only to find out that to 'enhance' my experience i should try sarge |
| 13:36.45 | ftmiranda | shaddai, I know but how? can you help me please? |
| 13:36.51 | caphuso | ftmiranda: what what? |
| 13:36.52 | X^O^R | now, which cd image out of the 12 do i need? |
| 13:36.55 | shaddai | ftmiranda: google is your friend |
| 13:37.08 | ftmiranda | caphuso, you said something that I dindt understand |
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| 13:37.32 | Gnea | cool, 3.2 isn't segfaulting |
| 13:37.35 | caphuso | ftmiranda: just type that in your IRC client |
| 13:37.41 | sladegen | X^O^R: proly the first one... |
| 13:38.09 | ftmiranda | caphuso, but I need that on Linux... I need to filter the ip address of the command ifconfig eth0 |
| 13:38.14 | X^O^R | what about the other 11? |
| 13:38.23 | caphuso | ftmiranda: stop thinking |
| 13:38.28 | caphuso | ftmiranda: just do what i told you |
| 13:38.32 | caphuso | *sigh* |
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| 13:38.40 | sladegen | X^O^R: apt-get should get you rest later |
| 13:39.05 | sladegen | or actually what you will actually need |
| 13:39.12 | sladegen | duh |
| 13:39.20 | caphuso | X^O^R: why the hell would you want to waste another 600mbytes to download something you don't need? |
| 13:39.28 | xst | I was wondering: What does people use for GUI mail client out there? |
| 13:39.44 | shaddai | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.47 | pw | gooey mail clients? |
| 13:39.49 | shaddai | is it that hard ? |
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| 13:39.57 | pw | smear mutt with jam. That'll make it gooey. |
| 13:39.58 | jm_ | xst: sylpheed-claws |
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| 13:40.14 | xst | What about ximian? |
| 13:40.43 | xst | ...Evolution, I mean... |
| 13:40.55 | X^O^R | well, thats exactly what i wanted to clear... :) do i need all those images or not... |
| 13:41.03 | caphuso | X^O^R: you need none of them |
| 13:41.12 | X^O^R | none?? |
| 13:41.12 | azreal | how can i filter root-tail /var/log/syslog through ccze? |
| 13:41.27 | X^O^R | caphuso: could you please elaborate? |
| 13:41.28 | caphuso | X^O^R: yes, none. you already have woody downloaded, install that, then dist-upgrade |
| 13:41.32 | debian_user | how i can delete ftp's of sources.list??? |
| 13:41.34 | xukun | does any one know How I can give a samba user an administrative permission. I can not seem install or do anything on the winxp client after joining the samba domain |
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| 13:41.40 | caphuso | debian_user: with an editor |
| 13:41.49 | debian_user | k |
| 13:42.07 | X^O^R | caphuso: but then that would mean an upgrade which would take a lot of time, right? |
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| 13:42.14 | caphuso | X^O^R: no |
| 13:42.23 | witless | anyone here following the development of UserLinux? |
| 13:42.30 | X^O^R | caphuso: forgive my ignorance, but howcome? |
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| 13:42.45 | sladegen | X^O^R: shorter then pulling allllll of it net |
| 13:42.49 | caphuso | X^O^R: forgive my ignorance, but why would it take a lot of time? |
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| 13:43.04 | sladegen | from* |
| 13:43.15 | caphuso | it'll certainly be faster than downloading the sarge ISO(s) and install from scratch |
| 13:43.20 | X^O^R | caphuso: i dont know - but its a complete distro and all?? |
| 13:43.44 | X^O^R | caphuso: well actually i have a friend who works in a local ISP and he can download the ISO |
| 13:43.47 | sladegen | X^O^R: but you will not install all packages |
| 13:43.59 | X^O^R | caphuso: what do yo mean? |
| 13:45.11 | caphuso | X^O^R: i mean that you shouldn't use debian |
| 13:45.16 | caphuso | problem solved |
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| 13:46.05 | debian_user | how i can make a new session as root?! |
| 13:46.15 | debian_user | without log out? |
| 13:46.29 | pato | when i do ./configure |
| 13:46.29 | lebowski | debian_user: 'su' |
| 13:46.30 | asterix | debian_user: You have to edit it with a text editor then erase the line that includes ftp adress |
| 13:46.48 | pato | the flags that gcc tooks, are in some palce? |
| 13:46.51 | pato | place |
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| 13:47.06 | clown | Is there a special Debian-way to compile a kernel for a other system (to get Debian installed on that system) on MY system? I need a special kernel for that machine to bootstrap the install proces... |
| 13:47.07 | jm_ | pato: CFLAGS="-O6 -Wall" ./configure |
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| 13:47.18 | debian_user | yes i have, but unable to write the file @ asterix |
| 13:47.21 | sladegen | pato: in Makefile... |
| 13:47.37 | asterix | debian_user: use su command then type your root password |
| 13:47.44 | pato | jm, if i do export CFLAGS="dadadsada" and then ./configure |
| 13:47.49 | debian_user | hm i'm on the text editor asterix? |
| 13:47.50 | pato | will it be tooked? |
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| 13:48.12 | debian_user | can i edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a command? |
| 13:48.21 | bizkit | what can i use to send local mails out of a script? which tool do i need? (using postfix). |
| 13:48.23 | amon-re | debian_user: vi |
| 13:48.29 | jm_ | pato: yes |
| 13:48.29 | X^O^R | caphuso: ah but then - if not debian then what? |
| 13:48.30 | sladegen | debian_user: yes sed |
| 13:48.31 | caphuso | bizkit: mutt |
| 13:48.32 | debian_user | vi? |
| 13:48.46 | amon-re | yes, vi |
| 13:48.48 | asterix | debian_user: yes, vi is complicate, but you can use mcedit, it's so easy, but you must be root |
| 13:48.48 | caphuso | X^O^R: i don't care. just something that's not debian |
| 13:49.02 | bizkit | caphuso: mutt out of a script? thanks, i'll have a look. |
| 13:49.08 | debian_user | thanks i try it |
| 13:49.09 | X^O^R | caphuso: you seem a bit touchy... :) well |
| 13:49.29 | X^O^R | caphuso: thanx anyway - i will give it a try none the less |
| 13:49.53 | pato | jm_ thx |
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| 13:51.38 | LoRez | caphuso: pipe it to the sendmail command |
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| 13:52.17 | debian_user | hm how i can save in vi? |
| 13:52.25 | witless | :w |
| 13:52.27 | LoRez | debian_user: :w |
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| 13:52.32 | debian_user | thx |
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| 13:53.19 | sladegen | :help |
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| 13:53.38 | LoRez | jc|ibook: don't do that |
| 13:53.41 | bizkit | caphuso: and what do i need to do that mutt doesnt open etc.? it should send the mail with the given arguments, without asking anything more.. just sending it :> |
| 13:53.42 | jc|ibook | sry |
| 13:53.42 | Sebulba02 | pinging yourself? |
| 13:53.45 | jc|ibook | wrong channel |
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| 13:54.21 | Sebulba02 | ack |
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| 13:54.29 | Sebulba02 | :P |
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| 13:55.31 | creeq | how can i output just some line in the middle of the file? |
| 13:55.36 | creeq | eg. tail/head for end/beginning |
| 13:55.41 | jm_ | creeq: sed |
| 13:55.44 | creeq | thx |
| 13:55.45 | creeq | :> |
| 13:55.57 | sladegen | awk |
| 13:56.26 | witless | is it normal that /usr/X11R6/bin is accessible by root only? there are X utils in there, and apps like pgaccess. |
| 13:56.36 | jm_ | witless: of course it isn't |
| 13:56.53 | witless | dind't think so. wonder why it's set up that way... |
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| 13:57.05 | jm_ | someone must have been messing with it manually |
| 13:57.09 | sladegen | its not |
| 13:57.20 | witless | it's a new install and i'm te only one on this system |
| 13:57.31 | jm_ | ok s/someone/witless/ :) |
| 13:57.37 | Sebulba02 | heh |
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| 13:57.51 | sladegen | must be gnomes |
| 13:58.04 | witless | maybe installing the dri trunk? |
| 13:58.37 | sladegen | Elephant is a mouse with operating system. |
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| 14:00.24 | uws | ~+spell searchable |
| 14:00.27 | | possible spellings for searchable: search able search-able reachable researchable teachable watchable switchable satiable catchable matchable sociable unsearchable detachable |
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| 14:01.11 | LoRez | uws: was that for anybody else's benefit but your own? |
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| 14:01.45 | riki | hi, how can I set console message t not appear on all terminal? |
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| 14:02.19 | shaddai | riki: by editing /etc/syslog.conf ? |
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| 14:02.38 | jm_ | riki: what is console message ? |
| 14:02.45 | pw | What is it about Debian's libfreetype6.so that makes it draw fonts so much nicer than other distros? |
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| 14:03.03 | pw | I actually steal libfreetype6.so from my Debian system to put on others! |
| 14:03.16 | netbrain | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=netbrain+samba&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=opr0w05mfg0g09di%40news.online.no&rnum=1 <-- can anyone help me with this issue? |
| 14:03.23 | riki | jm_: I see al messages from kernel appear on my terminal (local) and I am unable to sue vi |
| 14:03.26 | ]{arhu | pw, different version? |
| 14:03.29 | riki | use |
| 14:03.30 | Eclipser | pw, thief |
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| 14:03.34 | jm_ | riki: ahh /msg dpkg printk console |
| 14:03.42 | pw | Eclipser: Shocking, innit? |
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| 14:03.49 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 14:04.01 | asterix | I've been using knoppix with KDE, now i want to change it to gnome, when i try to apt-get install gnome it says "Package gnome has no available version, but exists in the database..." |
| 14:04.05 | pak | atr |
| 14:04.18 | Eclipser | #knoppix ... |
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| 14:04.34 | ]{arhu | pw, atleast at some point on debian there was a freetype lib (possibly a bug) that made anti-aliasiation some what uglier |
| 14:04.41 | riki | jm_: thank you |
| 14:04.58 | pw | ]{arhu: I don't think so. Example: one box simply has libfreetype6.so.6.3.5 symlinked; it shipped with the distro's 6.3.4. Result: happy pw. |
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| 14:05.16 | zignig | bleh ! |
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| 14:05.39 | sladegen | pw: what distro? |
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| 14:05.56 | pw | sladegen: so far, I've done this on Red Hat (eek!) and SuSE. |
| 14:06.07 | grendel | hi, I'm using debian sid and I've got a problem with CDrecord. When as usual I try cdrecord -scanbus I've got a strange output. I am root, sg and ide-scsi are loaded, in lilo.conf I've got append="hdc=ide-scsi". I don't know what to do. |
| 14:06.08 | netbrain | asterix: apt-cache search kde? |
| 14:06.12 | pw | That is, pinched the libfreetype6 shared library from a Debian system. |
| 14:06.16 | zignig | pw: suse I will exuse , but RH ! bleh ! |
| 14:06.27 | pw | zignig: bleh indeed! I had no choice. |
| 14:06.39 | zignig | pw: the things we do. :P |
| 14:06.41 | asterix | netbrain: i need gnome |
| 14:06.54 | pw | ~tell asterix about knoppix |
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| 14:07.06 | sladegen | pw: might be... but i would think it very improbable. i stole some fonts from slackware into debian so it evens out ;) |
| 14:07.19 | pw | sladegen: I'm wondering if it's compiled differently. |
| 14:07.38 | asterix | pw: I installed knoppix on my disk |
| 14:07.42 | zignig | pw: depends on the distro , but source is available , this is Liunx |
| 14:07.49 | zignig | or Linux rather. |
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| 14:08.24 | sladegen | like ]{arhu said ... anti-aliasing.... and TT fonts... if its for server distro might have missed it. but i doubt it ;() |
| 14:08.31 | pw | asterix: it's still knoppix - go ask questions in #knoppix :) |
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| 14:09.21 | asterix | pw: Yes, but i use it as a debian, doesn't it? :) |
| 14:09.56 | riki | how can I set messages appear only in tty8 as example? |
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| 14:10.22 | dobby | hello big big problem. i compiled my new kernel 2.4.23 installed it but lilo faild with the argument: file boot-menu.b not found. i really dont know what to do please help! |
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| 14:11.38 | jm_ | dobby: well i's obvious - fix it |
| 14:11.42 | jm_ | it's even |
| 14:12.09 | lebowski | dobby: change the entry in lilo.conf to boot.b instead of boot-menu.b |
| 14:12.11 | dobby | jm_: who? |
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| 14:12.16 | jm_ | dobby: who what ? |
| 14:12.34 | dobby | lebowski: thats all? |
| 14:12.40 | lebowski | dobby: that will work |
| 14:12.59 | dobby | lebowski: ok try it thanks |
| 14:14.21 | uws | the big lebowski? |
| 14:14.30 | catalyst | any idea why gtk1.2 app crash with this error? " Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) serial 2898 error_code 8 request_code 62 minor_code 0 " |
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| 14:16.11 | sladegen | catalyst: simple, watson, a bug! |
| 14:16.46 | catalyst | sladegen: for which package? gdk-imlib1? |
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| 14:17.50 | sladegen | too little info but even with more this kind of error seems very singular |
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| 14:19.51 | sladegen | research it, upgrade/downgrade... strace it, debug it... |
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| 14:19.56 | toothpick | When I chroot into a debootstrap environment...what is the next step to give the chroot environment network activity? |
| 14:20.18 | toothpick | I thought I was supposed to edit the /etc/resolv.conf file...but is there something before that that I am missing? |
| 14:20.21 | Taib | hi people... anyone with an HighPoint HPT 370 ATA Raid controller? |
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| 14:20.35 | sladegen | copy /etc/resolv.conf should be enough |
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| 14:21.38 | Taib | i'm trying to use it with a debian sarge/sid (installed on a "normal" disk) but i can't make the kernel to see the partitions on the disks connectet to that chip (i'm not going to use hw raid) |
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| 14:23.20 | toothpick | sledgegen before the chroot? |
| 14:23.32 | toothpick | cp /etc/resolv.conf /clembox/etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 14:24.24 | sladegen | before/after.... static ip? ... i dont grok dhcp that well |
| 14:24.54 | toothpick | cp /etc/resolv.conf /clembox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:24.55 | toothpick | cp: `/etc/resolv.conf' and `/clembox/etc/resolv.conf' are the same file |
| 14:25.14 | sladegen | und dont work? |
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| 14:25.37 | toothpick | no in the chroot I have no internet access. |
| 14:26.21 | grendel | I'm tring to modify lilo.conf launching lilo but I've got an error telling: Warning: RAID1 install implied by omitted 'boot=' |
| 14:26.21 | grendel | fatal__: No images have been defined. |
| 14:26.21 | grendel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.28 | sladegen | hmmmm SOA#1 ;( |
| 14:26.43 | SlayerXP | grendel: yes, someone does. |
| 14:27.06 | grendel | who? don't tell me... god? |
| 14:27.10 | sladegen | grendel: man lilo.conf i wager |
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| 14:27.41 | grendel | boot=hda is defined in the file |
| 14:28.00 | grendel | boot=/dev/hda precisely |
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| 14:31.09 | Gnea | grendel: /dev/hda is the whole device, not a partition |
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| 14:31.26 | netbrain | the 2.6.0 kernel is giving me a hard time. i have set the option that the kernel should autoload modules. but it doesn't load anything. so my usb keyboard on boot doesnt |
| 14:31.27 | witless | SlayerXP, what's with the chronic sarcasm? |
| 14:31.29 | netbrain | work!!! and without that i can't get anywhere. is there any way to set a default /etc/modules file? |
| 14:31.30 | amon-re | How do I configure my IP address? I'd like to make it static. |
| 14:31.53 | Gnea | amon-re: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:32.17 | ryuujin | netbrain: eh? my usb keyboard works fine.. have you checked your bios settings accordingly to the fact that you use a usb keyboard? |
| 14:32.26 | grendel | Gnea: yeah I know, but it works |
| 14:32.40 | netbrain | ryuujin: yes.. im using it now in the old.kernel |
| 14:32.50 | Gnea | grendel: it's wrong, but ok |
| 14:32.54 | SlayerXP | witless: I was answering a poorly phrased question. If people don't get the answers they actually wanted, they should learn to be more concise. |
| 14:33.02 | netbrain | the problem is that it isn't loading any modules whatso ever.. |
| 14:33.19 | grendel | Gnea: I've got it on another PC working well, no changes the system have specify /dev/hda |
| 14:33.22 | ryuujin | netbrain: do you have a module for your old.kernel? |
| 14:33.29 | netbrain | yup. |
| 14:33.31 | cdb | hey folks. i have an nvidia riva tnt2 card and i compiled/installed nvidia-kernel-source via make-kpg modules_image when I compiled my kernel. when I do startx it complains it can't find module "nvidia" even though I can modprobe nvidia just fine. any ideas what else i need to do? |
| 14:33.50 | witless | it would be more productive and less alienating to say "be more precise." |
| 14:34.01 | Gnea | grendel: just so you know, you're telling the kernel that /dev/hda is the root partition, not /dev/hda1 or whatever / is |
| 14:34.05 | godzirra | Hey guys, anyone here use htdig? How can I get it to index cgi's, but not index cgi parameters? i.e. I want to index test.cgi, but not test.cgi?1, test.cgi?2, test.cgi?3, etc etc. |
| 14:34.20 | Gnea | grendel: read your dmesg and you'll notice it on the kernel command line |
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| 14:35.02 | Gnea | grendel: or rather, the boot partition |
| 14:35.19 | Gnea | grendel: actually, that is right... forget what i said, the coffee is still sinking in :P |
| 14:35.22 | tkgkp | grendel: cat /proc/partitions |
| 14:35.42 | Dewi | SlayerXP : seemed fairly straightforward to me |
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| 14:36.09 | Gnea | cdb: did you remember to edit your X config file? |
| 14:36.12 | dobby | hello i installed a usb memory stick enabled all support for usb in kernel. but when i want to mount it it sais wrong fs type, any ideas? |
| 14:36.15 | grendel | tkgkp: ok but, to do what? |
| 14:36.26 | Dewi | dobby : what fs are you trying to use? |
| 14:36.28 | Gnea | dobby: is it formatted? |
| 14:36.41 | dobby | Dewi: ext3 |
| 14:36.45 | tkgkp | this display You information |
| 14:36.57 | Dewi | dobby : is the memory stick formatted in ext3? |
| 14:37.05 | Gnea | dobby: you formatted it to ext3 already? |
| 14:37.05 | dobby | Gena: i did mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda |
| 14:37.15 | godzirra | anyone know? |
| 14:37.16 | Gnea | uh |
| 14:37.24 | dobby | Dewi: yes i think |
| 14:37.25 | Dewi | dobby : I dunno... my usb flash thing is FAT formatted... so I'd use -t msdos to mount it |
| 14:37.36 | dobby | okay |
| 14:37.39 | Gnea | technically it's vfat by default |
| 14:37.47 | ryuujin | hum.. beats me.. |
| 14:37.48 | Gnea | dobby: but you didn't encounter any errors? |
| 14:37.56 | Gnea | dobby: when u formatted it, that is |
| 14:37.58 | pennywise_clown | is it possible to provide scp with '-i' parameter using dupload? the identity i used isn't default in my profile.. |
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| 14:38.24 | Gnea | pennywise_clown: have u tried it? |
| 14:38.27 | cdb | Gnea: I changed "nv" to "nvidia" and commented out load "GLcore" and load "dri", yes. |
| 14:38.28 | dobby | Gena: no |
| 14:38.43 | Gnea | dobby: btw it's Gnea not Gena |
| 14:38.45 | LoRez | pennywise_clown: man scp |
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| 14:39.29 | dobby | Gnea: sorry! |
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| 14:39.40 | pennywise_clown | lorez: my question is about dupload |
| 14:39.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:40.08 | dobby | Gnea: now it sais unable to read /dev/sda |
| 14:40.13 | LoRez | pennywise_clown: then man dupload or utsl |
| 14:40.41 | Gnea | dobby: probably because you didn't format it right - it might be one device but a partition is a partition |
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| 14:41.16 | Gnea | dobby: i've got smartmedia and compact flash, they all use /dev/sdX1 |
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| 14:41.29 | Gnea | so the idea is the same |
| 14:41.50 | dobby | Gnea: so how can i format a whole device? |
| 14:42.07 | Gnea | dobby: you don't! it's just like a harddrive - you've got partitions that you format |
| 14:42.19 | dobby | Gnea: ok |
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| 14:42.46 | Gnea | likely just one parition, in your case it's /dev/sda1 that you want to manipulate, not /dev/sda.. hopefully you didn't kill it |
| 14:43.13 | pennywise_clown | lorez: yes, i've man'ed both so will use the source. tnx. cool |
| 14:43.25 | cdb | ergh. never mind. i'm a dumbass. forgot to install nvidia-glx |
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| 14:43.44 | Giavol | Hello. Which of the following packages supports the widest range of UPS devices and is easiest to configure: genpower, upsd, powstatd, nut |
| 14:44.10 | Gnea | Giavol: have you apt-cache show <packagename> on each or read their respected webpages? |
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| 14:45.12 | bizkit | what tool should i use to create a user with its own databse and all permissions to this db, but no permissions to any others for mysql? |
| 14:45.29 | arturaz | does run_parts run symlinks? |
| 14:45.44 | Gnea | bizkit: i always used the command line mysql client and RTFM |
| 14:45.45 | Giavol | Gnea: well, I am asking here because I am searching for first-hand experience. Of course, if nobody here has used any of these UPS packages I will dig a little more and pick one. |
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| 14:45.57 | bizkit | Gnea: thanks |
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| 14:46.35 | Gnea | Giavol: it's been awhile since i setup a UPS.. a few years, in fact.. mine's an APC 700 i don't recall what i used at the time (it's currently not connected due to some major hardware updates going on at the moment) |
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| 14:47.35 | LoRez | Giavol: why do you need to support a wide range of ups devices? |
| 14:47.35 | arturaz | rasnet:/etc/ppp# ./ip-up |
| 14:47.35 | arturaz | ./ip-up: line 49: 19111 Bus error run-parts /etc/ppp/ip-up.d --arg="$1" --arg="$2" --arg="$3" --arg="$4" --arg="$5" --arg="$6" |
| 14:47.38 | arturaz | what's this? :/ |
| 14:47.46 | pimenas | Giavol: nut should be a good choice. |
| 14:47.46 | glamdring | i need a .config file to the linux 2.6 kernel any help? |
| 14:48.24 | fatal__ | glamdring: make config |
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| 14:48.57 | amon-re | ifconfig doesn't seem to have loaded eth0, how do I make it load? |
| 14:49.04 | oskie | Bus error is an indication of something bad |
| 14:49.08 | fatal__ | amon-re: ifup eth0 |
| 14:49.12 | glamdring | fatal__: i always screw up with the configuration and it gives me a pass properparameter to kernel at boot time |
| 14:49.16 | Giavol | pimenas: Thanks, based on the packages' descriptions, nut is my choice too, but I wanted to hear opinion from people who have already set up UPS-es |
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| 14:49.41 | fatal__ | glamdring: then don't compile a kernel by yourself :P |
| 14:49.47 | amon-re | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 14:49.53 | amon-re | Hmm, that didn't work |
| 14:50.11 | fatal__ | amon-re: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add configuration for eth0 .... (man interfaces) |
| 14:50.33 | Giavol | LoRez: I need a wide variety because I don't know the model of the UPS I am supposed to set up. I will know it when I arrive on site. I only know it is older than 3-4 years. I just want to be as prepared as possible - I don't want to waste time in research I can do at home. |
| 14:51.04 | LoRez | Giavol: and it's too difficult to ask a site contact what it is? |
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| 14:52.17 | Giavol | LoRez: yes. Most people there have not even used a computer for anything than MS Word. |
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| 14:52.47 | glamdring | fatal__:good advice .. but i need to get it working .. :) |
| 14:52.52 | tsw | Giavol: just go to the site and bill for every hour you search for right setup :) |
| 14:53.04 | Giavol | tsw: good idea ;-) |
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| 14:54.32 | tsw | Giavol: once had to do that way, customer didnt want to by new tape drive so when i got to the site there was an old tapedrive waiting, if I remember correctly it cost them 100e or so to get it working.. not very good drive.. |
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| 15:01.44 | jameson | Hi! Is there some way to figure out how a certain font is licensed? |
| 15:01.52 | godzirra | So does anyone know about htdig? |
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| 15:02.27 | Zap-W | does a cirrus 2mb vide card have MMIO space? |
| 15:02.40 | Zap-W | what is mmio |
| 15:03.04 | jameson | (Meaning, if I pick a font with, say, xmbdfed, how can I figure out whether that font is licensed in some way compatible with the GPL?) |
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| 15:05.38 | amon-re | Hmm, I still can't get eth0 up. It keeps saying `unknown device'. Do I need to load a kernel module? |
| 15:05.49 | LoRez | amon-re: probably |
| 15:06.16 | amon-re | I looked into modprobe, but it didn't get me very far. |
| 15:06.17 | oskie | is there a graphical frontend for DVD-burning in linux other than gcombust? |
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| 15:07.02 | LoRez | amon-re: try modconf |
| 15:07.04 | bob2 | amon-re: what sort of card do you have? |
| 15:07.23 | amon-re | I have an asantéFAST ethernet card... FriendlyNET |
| 15:07.35 | petemc | oskie: k3b |
| 15:07.58 | oskie | petemc: ah, nice |
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| 15:10.04 | amon-re | I can't really find an appropriate mod |
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| 15:10.18 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 15:10.23 | bob2 | amon-re: google or install the "discover" package. |
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| 15:10.57 | beta3 | morning bob2 |
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| 15:12.20 | bob2 | beta3: howdy. |
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| 15:13.05 | beta3 | bob2: still reading docs on ser and asterisk |
| 15:13.09 | amon-re | discover doesn't find anything. :( |
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| 15:13.26 | beta3 | bob2: ok I ve decided that Im going to interface sip with ser and have asterisk route to ser |
| 15:13.46 | bob2 | amon-re: so it's not a PCI card? |
| 15:13.47 | beta3 | bob2: ser can rewrite packets for nat |
| 15:13.58 | bob2 | beta3: hm, what is this for? |
| 15:14.04 | beta3 | bob2: my PBX |
| 15:14.24 | amon-re | yes, it is |
| 15:14.26 | finger | I get this error while comping |
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| 15:14.37 | beta3 | bob2: I gotta test some phone calls right now |
| 15:14.38 | finger | (cd .libs && rm -f libstdc++.so.5 && ln -s libstdc++.so.5.0.4 libstdc++.so.5) |
| 15:14.39 | finger | ../libtool: line 1: 29694 Segmentation fault $LN_S $realname $linkname |
| 15:14.40 | beta3 | brb |
| 15:14.45 | beta3 | on sip with my dad :) |
| 15:14.45 | vanguard | Hello ! |
| 15:14.57 | finger | can I fix it somwhow? |
| 15:15.01 | Gnea | finger: what version of gcc? |
| 15:15.05 | vanguard | I have al little problem, can someone help me ? |
| 15:15.06 | finger | 3.3 |
| 15:15.13 | Gnea | finger: downgrade to 3.2 |
| 15:15.17 | bob2 | beta3: but where and why do you have a PBX? |
| 15:15.24 | finger | but i build it as a cross-platform |
| 15:15.27 | Gnea | 3.3 is highly unstable, i just ran into the same problem the past week |
| 15:15.31 | Gnea | oh well |
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| 15:15.33 | Gnea | rebuild it |
| 15:15.45 | finger | and I cannot find in the Makefile where it does that |
| 15:15.51 | bob2 | um are you sure that's gcc segfaulting there? |
| 15:15.55 | amon-re | It's a PCI card, and I know that it's working (but not in Debian) |
| 15:15.58 | beta3 | bob2: I have my FXO, it connects to landline, so I can call in from anywhere in the world and make local telephone calls and vice versa |
| 15:15.58 | Gnea | bob2: quite sure |
| 15:16.03 | finger | Gnea: that is what I am doing... |
| 15:16.09 | finger | I am building gcc |
| 15:16.09 | vanguard | O.k., I ask into the open: |
| 15:16.34 | funnyguy | libtool is segfaulting, not gcc |
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| 15:16.46 | Gnea | my money's on gcc |
| 15:16.48 | finger | nope..... the (cd is segfaulting |
| 15:16.52 | vanguard | How can I force to take a new kernel-modulew to take over the correct kernel-version ? |
| 15:17.08 | bob2 | Gnea: why? |
| 15:17.17 | bob2 | Gnea: where do you see gcc segfaulting in that command? |
| 15:17.18 | funnyguy | "../libtool: " |
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| 15:17.33 | finger | I had this error before |
| 15:17.33 | funnyguy | Gnea : see above, libtool is segfaulting |
| 15:17.34 | vanguard | I am running Debian, with 2.4.20-3-686, and all new modules say: wrong kernel-version. |
| 15:17.36 | bob2 | vanguard: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:17.50 | finger | and when I removed form the Makefile the (cd to the dir... it worked |
| 15:17.58 | vanguard | I want to compile usbdnet.c in kernel. |
| 15:18.02 | Gnea | the root problem is gcc 3.3 |
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| 15:18.13 | finger | actually not cd... the probles is ln -fs |
| 15:18.18 | funnyguy | finger : because then it wouldn't execute the Makefiole in the subdir, hence leaving that entire directory out |
| 15:18.20 | bob2 | funnyguy: no, libtool is a shell script. |
| 15:18.28 | Gnea | when i replaced gcc 3.3 with 3.2, gcc AND libtool stopped segfaulting |
| 15:18.33 | bob2 | funnyguy: libtool itself is not segfaulting. |
| 15:18.39 | vanguard | But when I want to load it, it says: This is compiled vor 2.4.20, and running kernel is 2.4.20-3-5686 |
| 15:18.42 | bob2 | LIBTOOL IS NOT SEGFAULTING. |
| 15:18.43 | funnyguy | bob2 : i know this, something in it is dying |
| 15:18.43 | vds | I`m upgrading my testing and configuration script for foomatic-filters seems not to work correctly it doesn`t terminate, suggestions ? |
| 15:18.50 | vanguard | 2.4.20-3-686 |
| 15:18.51 | Gnea | recompiled 2.4.23 with 3.2 and ALL kernel panics went away |
| 15:18.53 | funnyguy | but libtool doesn't call gcc, or anything |
| 15:18.57 | bob2 | vanguard: so install the correct version of kernel-headers and build it. |
| 15:19.04 | finger | Gnea: same here |
| 15:19.09 | bob2 | Gnea: file bugs. |
| 15:19.20 | finger | but gcc 3.3 is now building itself |
| 15:19.20 | Gnea | bob2: yeah i gotta figure out how to do that |
| 15:19.20 | bob2 | funnyguy: "libtool gcc" does not use libtool's inbuilt sh C compiler. |
| 15:19.23 | vanguard | I installed. But what do I have to do with the kernel-headers. |
| 15:19.32 | finger | and crashez |
| 15:19.39 | vanguard | Must i copy them into the 2.4.20 tree ? |
| 15:19.41 | Gnea | libtool has a built-in c compiler separate from gcc? |
| 15:19.42 | bob2 | vanguard: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:19.54 | bob2 | Gnea: no, I was being sarcastic. |
| 15:20.00 | Gnea | bob2: :) |
| 15:20.32 | finger | wholy shiet... I was useing libtool from woody |
| 15:20.38 | Gnea | lol |
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| 15:20.55 | Bklyn | Has something changed w/r/t bind9 config? |
| 15:21.05 | Bklyn | rndc fails to connect to named now |
| 15:21.14 | vanguard | Hmm... I didn't quite understand. in /usr/src I hve two directories: kernel-source-2.4.20 (linked to /usr/src/linux) |
| 15:21.29 | vanguard | and the oither is kernel-headers-2.4.20-3-686 |
| 15:21.35 | bob2 | vanguard: the kernel source is useless. install the package I told you to. |
| 15:21.41 | bob2 | vanguard: good. |
| 15:21.47 | finger | cd is in base-files? |
| 15:21.51 | bob2 | vanguard: but WHY are you building this module at all? |
| 15:22.00 | Gnea | vanguard: because the kernel-headers is for that specific kernel-2.4.20-3-686 |
| 15:22.12 | bob2 | finger: it's a shell built in. |
| 15:22.16 | vanguard | I need thje module "usbdnet" for my Zaurus. |
| 15:22.19 | finger | in what package |
| 15:22.25 | finger | I know what cd is |
| 15:22.26 | bob2 | finger: ie isn't a binary ie isn't in a package. |
| 15:22.33 | vanguard | And they told me, to patch the modules. |
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| 15:23.04 | Gnea | vanguard: basically you need to make sure you're using the source package specific to that design... and AFAIK, the zaurus is still on the 2.4.19 branch, unless it's a new update |
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| 15:23.17 | vanguard | Additionally, there is the same probnlem with another module, I needed to compile ( a wrapper ??) , its for mir WLAN-Card. |
| 15:23.24 | vanguard | Same problem. |
| 15:23.37 | bob2 | you're building them wrong. |
| 15:23.43 | vanguard | Yes. |
| 15:23.47 | vanguard | Wrong version. |
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| 15:23.50 | Gnea | vanguard: you need to have a consistant kernel tree |
| 15:23.51 | bob2 | pouitnpoint them both at the headers dir as your source tree. |
| 15:23.54 | finger | so? in what package is cd base-files? |
| 15:24.00 | finger | base-utils? |
| 15:24.02 | vanguard | Dioing insmod -f works well. |
| 15:24.03 | zignig | bleh ! |
| 15:24.08 | Gnea | finger: dpkg -S `which cd` |
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| 15:24.27 | Covener | finger: it's in your shell (bash, tcsh, etc) |
| 15:24.38 | bob2 | 02:22:17 bob2 | finger: it's a shell built in. |
| 15:24.38 | vanguard | From the beginning: I installed both: Kernel-source and Headers. |
| 15:24.39 | Gnea | er yeah |
| 15:24.43 | Gnea | forget what i just said |
| 15:24.45 | finger | thanks |
| 15:24.50 | djj | hi,when I switch off ,the pc stays at "power-off" but doesn't shut down the power supply as with 2.4.22 ;I just switch to 2.6.0 for fun;what should I look at ? |
| 15:24.51 | vanguard | But I have now two diretories. |
| 15:24.58 | StFS | anybody heard anything about when the debian packages for kernel 2.4.23 (source) and 2.6 are coming? |
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| 15:25.01 | bob2 | vanguard: you don't need the kernel-source. |
| 15:25.09 | vanguard | One of them is linked to /usr/src/linux. |
| 15:25.11 | bob2 | djj: APM or ACPI support. |
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| 15:25.14 | Gnea | StFS: 2.4.23 was out yesterday |
| 15:25.16 | bob2 | StFS: they are out. |
| 15:25.21 | StFS | oh??? |
| 15:25.23 | djj | bob2: apm |
| 15:25.25 | vanguard | Ok, which one I need ? Only the headers |
| 15:25.28 | vanguard | ? |
| 15:25.30 | Gnea | StFS: apt-get update |
| 15:25.31 | bob2 | vanguard: you've linked the wrong one. |
| 15:25.36 | StFS | ahh... crappy mirror ;) thanks! |
| 15:25.41 | diadicic | Anybody know anything about Mozilla and fonts? |
| 15:25.42 | bob2 | vanguard: as I keep saying, you don't need the kernel source at all. link the headers to /usr/src/linux |
| 15:25.47 | vanguard | Ah, I have to link the headers ? |
| 15:25.52 | Gnea | diadicic: such as..? |
| 15:25.55 | bob2 | djj: then include APM support. |
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| 15:25.59 | StFS | Gnea: no... I'm on a local mirror that apparently isn't updated often enough for me ;) |
| 15:26.15 | bob2 | !info kernel-source-2.4.23 |
| 15:26.20 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.4.23: (Linux kernel source for version 2.4.23 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.23-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28916 kB, Installed size: 29036 kB |
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| 15:26.34 | diadicic | Gnea: well I just installed Mozilla fire bird and when I open it the fonts look terrible. |
| 15:26.35 | finger | maybe the problem is ln, since I am useing sid and ln is from woody |
| 15:26.40 | zignig | bob2: brk hack , >2.4.24 ! |
| 15:26.41 | vanguard | O.k., I will try this. |
| 15:26.45 | finger | (fileutils) |
| 15:26.47 | bob2 | finger: no. |
| 15:26.51 | ryuujin | bob2: morning :p |
| 15:26.53 | Covener | diadicic: did you specify fonts or do you just mean the defaults? |
| 15:26.54 | vanguard | Thanks !!!!!!# |
| 15:26.56 | Gnea | finger: not likely |
| 15:27.09 | Covener | diadicic: Have you installed any the truetype fonts and configured fontconfig at al? |
| 15:27.13 | vanguard | I have just another problem, maybe you have abn idea. |
| 15:27.18 | bob2 | zignig: eh? |
| 15:27.33 | zignig | bob2: ahh , /topic |
| 15:27.34 | finger | it is walways crashing when compiling something that uses ln -s |
| 15:27.34 | bob2 | paulswm: some people *need* to be called a wanker before they can de-wanker-fy. |
| 15:27.48 | paulswm | bob2: thanks :) |
| 15:27.52 | djj | bob2: apm has been loaded as module;modprobe.conf says options apm power_off=1 ;is there something differennt with modules.conf and modprobe.conf now with 2.6 |
| 15:27.53 | vanguard | I compiled a new kernel, everything started fine, but there is no kernel-messages oin the konsole. |
| 15:28.01 | ludwig | paulswm: awesome. did you call him a bloody wanker? :) |
| 15:28.08 | vanguard | Any idea ? |
| 15:28.16 | Gnea | vanguard: that's odd... dmesg? |
| 15:28.19 | bob2 | vanguard: 2.6? |
| 15:28.21 | diadicic | Covener: no I didnt install the truetype fonts, I figured since my old version of mozilla looked ok that the new one should be fine. |
| 15:28.30 | vanguard | 2.6, 2.4 ! |
| 15:28.32 | vanguard | Both ! |
| 15:28.40 | bob2 | djj: just loading the apm moduel should be enough, if your system supports apm. |
| 15:28.43 | bob2 | vanguard: /topic |
| 15:29.03 | snoke | i have ne2000 nic card, how i can get it's irq and io adress ? |
| 15:29.16 | Gnea | bob2: but by the time 'power off' occurs, wouldn't apm be unloaded and thus not work right? sorry, i haven't messed with apm much... |
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| 15:29.33 | Covener | diadicic: specifying diff ones may help then -- might want to side-by-side the font options in both apps |
| 15:29.39 | vanguard | O.k., I have read. :)))) |
| 15:29.44 | bob2 | Gnea: no, the kernel doesn't unload modules as part of the shutdown sequence. |
| 15:29.48 | Gnea | snoke: isa or pci? |
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| 15:29.57 | snoke | Gnea: isa |
| 15:30.03 | Gnea | snoke: pnp? |
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| 15:30.11 | Gnea | bob2: interesting... |
| 15:30.53 | diadicic | Covener: have no idea what you mean by side-by-side the font |
| 15:30.53 | snoke | Gnea: dunno is it enabled but i think it is not sure |
| 15:31.02 | Covener | diadicic: compare the two settings. make firebirds fonts the same as mozilla-1.5 |
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| 15:31.33 | snoke | Gnea: but modprobe ne ask those io and irq |
| 15:31.39 | Gnea | snoke: try the pnpdump command (in the isapnptools package) if you get some uncommented lines about it then it's there... should include pnp support in the kernel then if it's not there or just load the module |
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| 15:31.57 | diadicic | Covener: ok cool |
| 15:32.18 | snoke | Gnea: ok i try that |
| 15:32.22 | vanguard | bob2: Thank you very very much for your help !!!!! |
| 15:32.50 | vanguard | I try to compile now, hope it is running. |
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| 15:34.11 | paulswm | whoops, OS locked up, had to push the BRB |
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| 15:34.25 | finger | f$ck... still didn\t fix it |
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| 15:34.34 | finger | the problem is at libstdc++.la |
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| 15:34.41 | finger | and I cannot find it in the Makefile |
| 15:34.42 | sudo | hi, I have just started to use debian, what is the proper way to search for packages ? I am using apt-get |
| 15:34.58 | vanguard | apt-cache |
| 15:34.59 | bob2 | finger: run debsums to look for disk corruption. |
| 15:35.01 | RelDrgn | interesting, freenode's got some pretty spiffy features |
| 15:35.11 | bob2 | sudo: apt-cache search keyword |
| 15:35.15 | bob2 | finger: and "dmesg" to look for a kernel oops. |
| 15:35.23 | sudo | ok, thanks |
| 15:35.24 | djj | bob2: I remark apm.o becomes apm.ko ,do I have to change something or "lsmod gives apm" should be ok ? |
| 15:35.26 | vanguard | sudo: Try apt-cache string |
| 15:35.35 | bob2 | djj: modprobe apm |
| 15:35.40 | bob2 | vanguard: that won't work. |
| 15:35.43 | bob2 | tism.wanker.com |
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| 15:35.51 | vanguard | Why not ? |
| 15:35.59 | vanguard | I am using this always. |
| 15:36.00 | mentor | paulswm: Being wrong doens't necessarily imply being a wanker :/ |
| 15:36.07 | elmig | anyone played with graphviz? |
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| 15:36.16 | vanguard | string is the expression I am looking for., |
| 15:36.16 | paulswm | mentor: oh, in this case it very much did |
| 15:36.20 | vanguard | :))) |
| 15:36.23 | bob2 | vanguard: no you're not. |
| 15:36.30 | bob2 | vanguard: you use "apt-cache search string" |
| 15:36.36 | vanguard | Yes !!! |
| 15:36.49 | vanguard | Sry, you are right !!! (ashamed) |
| 15:37.09 | paulswm | mentor: he was dissing Americans: "I found an Irish penny in my change so i consider myself part Irish", thats what I responded to |
| 15:37.47 | snoke | Gnea: there is no uncommented line so i need to give nemodule it's io/irq? |
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| 15:38.20 | oskie | Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 <- that's pretty old, isn't it? |
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| 15:38.31 | bob2 | oskie: yes. |
| 15:38.45 | bob2 | oskie: it probably has a huge number of security issues, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 15:39.25 | vanguard | bob2: Do you know , if DRM will run on kernel 2.6 ? I have heard, DRM will not run on 2.6-386 . |
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| 15:39.38 | vanguard | What is "Microsoft" ??? hihi |
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| 15:40.30 | bob2 | DRM? he X thing? |
| 15:40.48 | vanguard | Yes. I have a notebook with Radeon 7500. |
| 15:40.49 | petemc | digital rights management? |
| 15:41.07 | jenipapo | A dependency problem: |
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| 15:41.20 | jenipapo | mrproject uses libmrproject |
| 15:41.37 | jenipapo | but the versions doesnt matche |
| 15:41.42 | snoke | petemc: direct rendering managment i think |
| 15:41.47 | sladegen | how about RMS --- ? |
| 15:41.56 | vanguard | snoke: Thats correct. |
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| 15:42.04 | jenipapo | what to do? |
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| 15:42.10 | snoke | vanguard: right |
| 15:42.10 | bob2 | jenipapo: file a bug if no one else has. |
| 15:42.11 | dobby | how can i create a new partition when i have space left on my /dev/hda2 ? |
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| 15:42.15 | sudo | wow, debian is pretty nice |
| 15:42.30 | automatic_jack | since packages.debian.org is apparently going to be down indefinitely, what do I do when I need to find out what package includes the file libdpstk.so.1? |
| 15:42.33 | Gnea | snoke: possibly... but if it isn't pnp then you will probably want to read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/ |
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| 15:42.34 | zignig | asg: quack |
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| 15:42.44 | jenipapo | bob2: i sent an email to the packet responsable |
| 15:42.44 | sudo | just came back to linux world from BSD(still in bsd) and tried gentoo, gentoo sucked pretty bad |
| 15:42.49 | jenipapo | put it does nothing |
| 15:42.50 | sgeigerbot | sudo: It was picked as the most popular linux distro by Linux Journal readers this year... |
| 15:42.52 | vanguard | dobby: try fdisk. |
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| 15:43.10 | zignig | asg: hows the fish ? |
| 15:43.16 | asg | sgeigerbot: you get your 'apt-cache policy <blah>' issues worked out? |
| 15:43.27 | dobby | vanguard: i dont want to kill my partition just resize |
| 15:43.29 | vanguard | And when you already have a partition, use mkfs.xxxx (xxxx depends on your preferred filesystem) |
| 15:43.29 | Gnea | sudo: gentoo has a lot of really good concepts, which happen to be derived from BSD |
| 15:43.33 | asg | zignig: I had bacon, not kippers for breakie ;) |
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| 15:43.36 | Covener | vanguard: i have an m9000 in my laptop |
| 15:43.43 | bob2 | dobby: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 15:43.49 | vanguard | dobby: Do you have Partition Magic ? |
| 15:43.56 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: are you comfortabl with your botsexuality? |
| 15:43.57 | sgeigerbot | asg: I didn't have issues with it. I just didn't know what it was... Still don't but at least I know it's a woody thing. |
| 15:43.59 | zignig | asg: kippers , we need them lickety split. |
| 15:43.59 | Covener | vanguard: and I need to fetch updates from dri project to get things working even in 2.4 |
| 15:44.09 | asg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 15:44.22 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Are you comfortable with a loaf of vegemite shoved up your ass? |
| 15:44.23 | asg | zignig: well, my cats would like 'em at any rate |
| 15:44.55 | sgeigerbot | asg: thanks for asking |
| 15:44.56 | sudo | which perl from apt-cache should I use for 5.8.2? |
| 15:44.58 | zignig | asg: evil pandimensional beings , _cats_ |
| 15:45.00 | dobby | vanguard on linux? |
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| 15:45.04 | asg | sgeigerbot: you're welcome |
| 15:45.11 | vanguard | Covener: M9000 has other drivers. the m7500 has old drivers, and it is bad to install them (bad English , eh ?) |
| 15:45.23 | asg | zignig: not evil, just bad tempered, callous, officious, ... |
| 15:45.33 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Just kidding. Hey, the other day I wanted to give you some encouragement about your job situation. I think you really know your stuff... |
| 15:45.40 | vanguard | dobby: No , it is an independent partitioner. |
| 15:45.53 | zignig | asg: ah , yes much like vogons in fact :) |
| 15:45.59 | asg | zignig: quite |
| 15:46.21 | vanguard | Boots up from diskettes, starting DOS. Then you have a graphical tool to resize. |
| 15:46.26 | zignig | hanging in the air just like bricks don't |
| 15:46.27 | oskie | bob2: well, about that Microsoft-IIS/4.0 server - it's an ISP about a mile (or a block) from here... maybe I should pay them a visit, electronically :P |
| 15:46.32 | automatic_jack | anyone...? |
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| 15:46.36 | vanguard | On linux I only know "parted". |
| 15:46.47 | bob2 | oskie: hahaha |
| 15:46.52 | bob2 | oskie: root their box and install Debian on it. |
| 15:46.58 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: perhaps use cfdisk instead? |
| 15:47.08 | vanguard | But it is nopt graphical, and you must really know what you do. |
| 15:47.12 | zignig | bob2: I had an idea for a virus that does that. |
| 15:47.20 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: not sure.... |
| 15:47.26 | zignig | bob2: FAI+nessusd , mwhahahahaha |
| 15:47.30 | oskie | bob2: hah :) that would be interesting to do - "remote installation of debian" on a windows box :) |
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| 15:47.40 | sladegen | sgeigerbot: he wanted to resize... supposedly |
| 15:47.42 | elmig | possible... |
| 15:47.55 | elmig | first resize partition, debootstrap |
| 15:48.01 | vanguard | cfdisk will be maybe better. sgeigerbot is right. |
| 15:48.02 | finger | I think I got it |
| 15:48.04 | elmig | cross fingers... |
| 15:48.24 | finger | :) yep.. |
| 15:48.27 | finger | works |
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| 15:48.35 | vanguard | I prefer Partition Magic. It was on CD , and free. |
| 15:48.50 | vanguard | An old version (5.0) , but it works. |
| 15:48.51 | finger | I had to remove the || exit $? at the end of the eval with ln -s |
| 15:48.52 | zignig | vanguard: but no source ? |
| 15:49.10 | vanguard | No source ( you mean PM ??) |
| 15:49.18 | zignig | vanguard: yes |
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| 15:49.26 | automatic_jack | since packages.debian.org is apparently going to be down indefinitely, what do I do when I need to find out what package includes the file libdpstk.so.1? |
| 15:49.29 | sgeigerbot | sladegen: I think Partition Magic is still probably the best bet, but here are some options: resize2fs, qtparted, ext2resize, parted, gpart |
| 15:49.32 | sladegen | who needs source ?;P |
| 15:49.40 | finger | I do.. |
| 15:49.46 | petemc | !tell automatic_jack about search |
| 15:49.47 | finger | :p |
| 15:49.50 | bob2 | automatic_jack: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:49.50 | zignig | sladegen: we all do. |
| 15:49.56 | vanguard | qtparted ? This sounds graphical. |
| 15:50.06 | sladegen | automatic_jack: apt-get install apt-file |
| 15:50.06 | finger | calling 'make build' for buildenv [0.K.] Yupyyyyyyyy |
| 15:50.34 | zignig | sladegen: :) |
| 15:50.51 | automatic_jack | thanks, thanks, and thanks :) |
| 15:51.10 | vanguard | Using those tools I prefer graphical tools. It is so easy, to make mistakes..... |
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| 15:51.29 | godzirra | Anyone use htdig with cgi scripts? How can I get it to index cgi's, but not index cgi parameters? i.e. I want to index test.cgi, but not test.cgi?1, test.cgi?2, test.cgi?3, etc etc. |
| 15:51.33 | vanguard | By the way: How can I resize logica volumes ? |
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| 15:51.40 | sladegen | tho i was parly serious... if someone needs source then he most probably uses gentoo... there goes again my reputation ;() |
| 15:51.56 | djj | bob2: apm was already loaded; and I still have this non shut down- in 2.4.22 ti did shut down properly so I guess apm works;but... |
| 15:51.57 | elmig | nop |
| 15:51.58 | vanguard | My "/" mewanwhile is a little to small. |
| 15:52.11 | atm2 | Hi, I am runnin debian unstable and would like to come back to testing (sid). How to downgrade the system. |
| 15:52.12 | elmig | uses apt-build, apt-src or apt-get -b |
| 15:52.14 | automatic_jack | waht the hell - it was in libdps1 pacakge. |
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| 15:52.24 | automatic_jack | not at all what I Was expecting :) |
| 15:52.28 | zignig | atm2: you can't |
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| 15:52.45 | atm2 | zignig: Must be kidding. |
| 15:52.55 | atm2 | zignig: There must be a way. |
| 15:53.07 | atm2 | zignig: something with downgrade. |
| 15:53.08 | automatic_jack | thanks again :) |
| 15:53.17 | zignig | atm2: copy /etc/ |
| 15:53.17 | vanguard | atm2: You can downgrade, but only after the upograde. |
| 15:53.18 | angelgabriel | i've just installed a base system using the a sarge iso burned to cd, and there is no network suport, how do I add this? |
| 15:53.32 | tux-helper | is it possible too use dd to make a backup of a debian system? or will a tarball do ? |
| 15:53.40 | vanguard | angelgabriel: Try modconf. |
| 15:53.42 | zignig | atm2: and dpkg --get-seletion > file , and reinstall |
| 15:53.47 | bob2 | angelgabriel: how badly do you want to downgrade? |
| 15:53.52 | vanguard | Then install the network drivers. |
| 15:53.57 | paulswm | atm2: reinstall, that's the way |
| 15:54.14 | angelgabriel | bob2 - It's a brand new install, not a system critical system |
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| 15:54.30 | elmig | reinstall - the windows way |
| 15:54.30 | vanguard | Do they run ? If yes, edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 15:54.32 | paulswm | atm2: save your /etc, */local and /home directories |
| 15:54.34 | angelgabriel | vanguard: modconf ... ? |
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| 15:55.59 | zignig | bob2: bleh ! |
| 15:56.14 | vanguard | angelgabriel: When your card-drivers are loaded, then you can edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:56.23 | bob2 | bah |
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| 15:56.44 | vanguard | angelgabriel: After that do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 15:56.48 | sladegen | haba haba |
| 15:56.56 | vanguard | Chack with "ifconfig" |
| 15:57.00 | vanguard | a=e |
| 15:57.02 | MagicHands | is there a "network neighbourhood" equivalent in linux? |
| 15:57.04 | jetscreamer | yeah you can't reinstall linux because the data/fs descriptors doesn't go away |
| 15:57.10 | pato | how can i test if my 3d acceleration (DRI, openGL) is working? |
| 15:57.19 | vanguard | MagicHands: What do you mean ? |
| 15:57.19 | atm2 | paulswm: zignig: vanguard: OK, but I wish to downgrade all the system. So can't I do that with apt-get dist-downgrade?? |
| 15:57.23 | elmig | pato: glxgears |
| 15:57.25 | bob2 | jetscreamer: wtf does that sentence mean? |
| 15:57.26 | Covener | pato: glxinfo, glxgears |
| 15:57.35 | witless | i'm a recent convert to debian from red hat. using red hat, if i execute "su - otheruser", i can run programs as that user and display them on my X display. what do i need to do this on debian? |
| 15:57.37 | asg | MagicHands: linneighborhood |
| 15:57.39 | bob2 | atm2: how badly do you want to downgrade? |
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| 15:57.44 | bob2 | witless: use sudo |
| 15:57.49 | vanguard | atm2: You can reverse the last upgrade. Not more. |
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| 15:57.52 | bob2 | witless: or "sux" |
| 15:57.52 | bob2 | witless: or "su -m" |
| 15:57.56 | atm2 | bob2: what a question. I just want to. |
| 15:57.57 | bob2 | witless: or "ssh -X root@localhost" |
| 15:58.04 | godzirra | So does anyone know abuot my htdig problem, or know where I can find more information about it? |
| 15:58.11 | jetscreamer | it means cfdisk / mkfs don't erease everything |
| 15:58.12 | pato | ok, thx |
| 15:58.13 | MagicHands | vanguard: i want an icon on my desktop, clicking on which I'll be able to see all the windows machines(shares) on my network |
| 15:58.15 | bob2 | atm2: wtf? it's a huge amount of effort, do you care enuogh to do it? |
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| 15:58.28 | atm2 | bob2: of course I do |
| 15:58.32 | vanguard | Try "LinNeighbourhood" |
| 15:58.33 | bob2 | jetscreamer: you mean they don't erase the partition table? |
| 15:58.35 | sgeigerbot | MagicHands: these might be of interest to you: konqueror, linneighborhood, komba, gnomba, nbtscan, xfsamba, browselist, xsmbrowser |
| 15:58.36 | vanguard | Or "lisa" |
| 15:58.42 | bob2 | atm2: as in possibly days. |
| 15:58.48 | vanguard | I prefer "LinNeighbourhood" |
| 15:58.58 | sudo | from apt-get, is there a way to have a apache that has php and mod_perl support in it? |
| 15:59.01 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: I was thinking of mentioning that one, but I have never had luck with it. |
| 15:59.06 | atm2 | bob2: OK, gibe me a hint. |
| 15:59.06 | MagicHands | sgeigerbot: wow! *thanks* |
| 15:59.14 | vanguard | In combination with samba you can see all shares. |
| 15:59.15 | zignig | sgeigerbot: oh , Factiod master; how goes the accumulation ? |
| 15:59.28 | paulswm | atm2: there isn't an apt-get dist-downgrade, at least not in my version of apt-get in testing |
| 15:59.32 | witless | bob2: doesn't seem to be working. still getting this error: |
| 15:59.36 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: nope. |
| 15:59.40 | witless | Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server |
| 15:59.40 | witless | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 15:59.40 | bob2 | sudo: nope. |
| 15:59.42 | MagicHands | vanguard: ok. thanks |
| 15:59.47 | sgeigerbot | zignig: Why are you so interested in my bot-uality? Are you a robosexual (like bob2)? |
| 15:59.52 | bob2 | sudo: install php4 and libapache-mod-perl |
| 15:59.52 | vanguard | Lisa ( or klisa) p.e., is also fine. |
| 15:59.55 | zignig | sgeigerbot: no |
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| 15:59.57 | bob2 | witless: using which command? |
| 15:59.59 | sudo | ok |
| 16:00.00 | witless | su -m |
| 16:00.13 | witless | su -m otheruser |
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| 16:00.21 | bob2 | atm2: google for "debian downgrade", and be prepared for hours and hours of painful fiddling. |
| 16:00.25 | bob2 | witless: use sudo then. |
| 16:00.30 | witless | ok |
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| 16:00.40 | angelgabriel | vanguard: my /etc/network/interfaces file is empty, save for some few comments, i can edit this by hand, right? |
| 16:00.49 | jetscreamer | nah bob2, and i don't have enough facts to explain what i've seen, but what i know is that sometimes the data and/or the description of the file system types seems to hang around after re-partitioning and/or mkfs'ing |
| 16:00.54 | StFS | Hi... is there a channel where I can ask kernel config questions? |
| 16:00.56 | vanguard | Yes, by hand, angelgabriel |
| 16:00.57 | atm2 | paulswm: So you suggest to uninstall all applications, chang the source.list on testing and apt-get dist-upgrade?? |
| 16:00.59 | sgeigerbot | Can someone reminde me: Is Network Neighborhood in Windows more or less an SMB browser? or is it something else? |
| 16:01.03 | sgeigerbot | ...too |
| 16:01.09 | vanguard | Examples are in the readmes. |
| 16:01.10 | zignig | StFS: #kernel ? |
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| 16:01.13 | jetscreamer | like the inodes don't go away maybe |
| 16:01.15 | bob2 | angelgabriel: yes. |
| 16:01.17 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 16:01.20 | StFS | zignig: thanks |
| 16:01.31 | zignig | StFS: :) |
| 16:01.35 | bob2 | jetscreamer: mkfs destroys and re-creates the inodes. |
| 16:01.45 | vanguard | atm2: Can't you not reinstall everything ? |
| 16:02.04 | atm2 | vanguard: give me a command. |
| 16:02.17 | atm2 | vanguard: I will check that out. |
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| 16:02.29 | vanguard | atm2: No , i mean, a new installation. |
| 16:02.35 | witless | sux --untrusted -m - otheruser works :-) |
| 16:02.36 | vanguard | With formatting. |
| 16:02.37 | zignig | atm2: I find that rebuilding the box from scratch is a good idea , cruft is a _BIG__ problem. |
| 16:02.50 | vanguard | I think, this will be more easy. |
| 16:03.07 | atm2 | vanguard: Nah, sure I can do that. But there must be a better and simplier way. |
| 16:03.13 | vanguard | Secure everything you need with rsync on another host. |
| 16:03.19 | paulswm | atm2: I didn't suggest anything. I suggest you do what bob2 said. If it were me, I'd save /etc, /home, /opt and */local, wipe everything and start again. Then I'd use my saved /etc to fix my configuration. Oh, and don't forget to do dpkg -l >filename so you know what you had installed. |
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| 16:04.07 | zignig | atm2: in fact buy a new disk and transfer :P |
| 16:04.23 | ryuujin | How can i remove ipv6 tunneling over ipv4 via modprobe -r if modprobe -r ipv6 (removing the ipv6 module) fails with: 'device or ressource busy' ? |
| 16:04.23 | atm2 | zignig: ;) smarties. |
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| 16:04.48 | jetscreamer | ryuujin, edit /etc/modules unless somebody thinks that's a bad idea |
| 16:04.52 | zignig | atm2: seriously ,debian goes up smoothly , but not down ;? |
| 16:04.53 | vanguard | atm2: An for the future make a seperate partition for these directories. |
| 16:04.54 | angelgabriel | bob2: vanguard: I'm working on it now.... will let you know in a second if I blow it up or not! |
| 16:05.07 | ryuujin | jetscreamer what should i edit?' |
| 16:05.13 | sladegen | atm2: why did you even do it... in he first place? ... its a bit like installing MD 9.2 and then asking if you can go back to 9.0.... bah |
| 16:05.22 | vanguard | So you never loose data when upgrading, new installtion or crash. |
| 16:05.26 | atm2 | zignig: Installing everyting from scrath is an easy thing. Really noone knows how to simply downgrade?? |
| 16:05.31 | colde89 | need to install ne2k-pci on loptop |
| 16:05.36 | jetscreamer | edit out the name of the module |
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| 16:05.51 | jetscreamer | in /etc/modules |
| 16:05.57 | vanguard | colde89: Try the eepro module. |
| 16:06.00 | zignig | atm2: the system does not have a reverse install path. it is the debian way. |
| 16:06.02 | ryuujin | jetscreamer is that a text file? |
| 16:06.13 | sgeigerbot | atm2: just a sec |
| 16:06.15 | Covener | ryuujin: do you have an ipv6 interface up? or some module that depends on ipv6? |
| 16:06.18 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 16:06.21 | atm2 | zignig: The debian way must be changed for a better. |
| 16:06.32 | ryuujin | Covener i don't have ipv6 on my isp and nor on my router |
| 16:06.33 | sgeigerbot | atm2: You can reverse an apt-get upgrade/update for a package? Try to install the previous version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ However, to downgrade the whole dist--well, that...I don't think is practical. |
| 16:06.37 | atm2 | sgeigerbot: Alright. |
| 16:06.38 | paulswm | atm2: it's not that no-one knows, it's that it can't really be done |
| 16:06.51 | zignig | atm2: rule 1 : always run stable on prod machines . |
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| 16:07.01 | Covener | ryuujin: ifconfig -a has no inet6 interfaces? |
| 16:07.02 | colde89 | vanguard :: need ready-link |
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| 16:07.05 | vanguard | atm2: And NEVER use wildcards !!!!! |
| 16:07.24 | ryuujin | Covener i can't check, this is the old kernel.. i just installed 2.4.23 |
| 16:07.28 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: it is ne2k-pci or not ?? |
| 16:07.29 | paulswm | atm2: because you installed the least stable distro, and you changed your mind, now it's *debian's* fault???? |
| 16:07.33 | vanguard | colde89: Try ne2000 |
| 16:07.36 | zignig | ryuujin: uname -a |
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| 16:07.48 | vanguard | I think, this works. |
| 16:07.58 | jetscreamer | colde89, wrong guy :) |
| 16:08.02 | sudo | msg bob2 is apache already installed? I see a lot of apache files alying around, but i dont see the binary |
| 16:08.02 | buht | hey guys, i remotely rebooted my debian box while its keyboard/mouse were not active (because they are on a kvm switch)... now the console gets garbage when i move the mouse and the keyboard isnt responding when the switch is on it... can i unload and reload whatever occurs during startup for the keboard/mouse initialize? |
| 16:08.13 | ryuujin | zignig i know what kernel i'm using. I installed ipv6 which i shouldn't have done and now i can't remove it. |
| 16:08.14 | atm2 | paulswm: Nah, Debian will do what I want. If it can't do that then I must modify it. |
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| 16:08.31 | Rza`` | any ob3 userS? |
| 16:08.31 | jetscreamer | colde89, http://scyld.com/network |
| 16:08.33 | colde89 | vanguard :: module not found .. |
| 16:08.37 | bob2 | sudo: don't /msg me. |
| 16:08.40 | vanguard | buth: remove the entries from modules.conf. |
| 16:08.46 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know how to remedy this? (Rebooting didn't help.) The program tiger is telling me these sorts of things on my home Linux box: "NEW: --WARN-- [kis012w] Program apache (pid 14825, parent 582) is using a deleted file: 0 96894 /tmp/session_mm_apache0.sem +(deleted)" What do you suppose that means? |
| 16:08.46 | bob2 | sudo: what's your actual question? |
| 16:08.48 | buht | that way i dont need to reboot the sucker while the video switch? |
| 16:08.50 | atm2 | OK... EOT |
| 16:08.54 | vanguard | Try modconf. |
| 16:08.54 | paulswm | atm2: I koe it sux, I've done some reinstallations myself for different reasons, but after five or six, you really get the hang of it :) |
| 16:09.02 | paulswm | s/koe/know/ |
| 16:09.08 | buht | vanguard : but i do want them loaded upon reboot next time when the switch is on the right one |
| 16:09.17 | vanguard | And maybe youre card is named in it. |
| 16:09.17 | sudo | i am just trying to get apache with perl and php |
| 16:09.33 | buht | vanguard : id like to telnet in and (modconf possibly?) reload the keyboard and mouse |
| 16:09.34 | __Pulsar__ | buht: I resolved similar problems by switching console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 , F7 and back. But this was with X |
| 16:09.46 | ryuujin | bob2 you wouldn't know an easy way to remove ipv6 interface when the error i get while removing it via modconf is: 'device or ressource busy' ? |
| 16:09.47 | bob2 | sudo: install apache, php4 and libapache-mod-perl. |
| 16:09.47 | buht | __Pulsar__ ill try that 1 sec. |
| 16:09.58 | vanguard | Hmm, comment it out. |
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| 16:10.02 | bob2 | ryuujin: you want to unload the ipv6 module? |
| 16:10.08 | asg | sudo: and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/{package} for each |
| 16:10.11 | vanguard | When your system isa up, comment it in. |
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| 16:10.14 | buht | __Pulsar__ no luck, the keyboard already does not respond.. i need to reload it via telnet or something, that possible? |
| 16:10.18 | zignig | ryuujin: drop the interface , give it a zero ip |
| 16:10.20 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: I was wondering whether removing the route would help you temporarily... |
| 16:10.22 | vanguard | Next time it will be started. |
| 16:10.39 | zignig | ryuujin: whatever that is in ipV6, 0::::: ? |
| 16:10.43 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot if my isp doesn't support ipv6, no. |
| 16:10.56 | buht | vanguard : so u want me to comment something out of the modules? and then comment it in? then what? |
| 16:10.56 | Covener | ryuuj told me he couldn't run ifconfig, so i don't know what kindof help he expects |
| 16:11.01 | ryuujin | bob2 yes, my intranet nor isp supports it.. |
| 16:11.13 | vanguard | And, when it is up, you can test it with modprobe or insmod (in case you must give parameters with it) |
| 16:11.14 | buht | vanguard : as of right now, what can i do to reload my keyboard and mouse while the video switch is on the right one? |
| 16:11.25 | ryuujin | Covener i'm on another kernel than the one that's fucked. |
| 16:11.28 | __Pulsar__ | buht: Maybe killing the getty-Processes may help |
| 16:11.30 | vanguard | Try rmmod |
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| 16:11.37 | buht | __Pulsar__ tried |
| 16:11.39 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: just remove it from the /etc/modules file |
| 16:11.43 | vanguard | rmmod modulename |
| 16:11.46 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: site not found .. |
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| 16:12.05 | buht | vanguard : its not a module, its loaded as a kernel option i think? |
| 16:12.08 | zion71 | I have a new debian server with a 3com NIC card. I can only see the internal network but not the internet |
| 16:12.11 | zion71 | any ideas |
| 16:12.14 | __Pulsar__ | buht: Do you have X installed, by the way ? |
| 16:12.14 | jetscreamer | scyld down? omfg |
| 16:12.19 | buht | __Pulsar__ nope :( |
| 16:12.19 | vanguard | sgeigerbot: removing from /etc/modules might not always work. |
| 16:12.25 | Covener | zion71: default route set? |
| 16:12.30 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 16:12.32 | fflush | how do i create a dummy mysql-server package, i need to create one installed mysql using binaries form mysql ab! |
| 16:12.35 | bob2 | ryuujin: which kernel version? you can't unload it, usually. |
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| 16:12.46 | asg | fflush: equivs |
| 16:12.46 | fflush | s/installed/becouse i installed/g |
| 16:12.48 | bob2 | ryuujin: it causes no harm to leave installed, though. |
| 16:12.48 | Covener | fflush: apt-cache show equivs |
| 16:12.53 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: url for ne2000 .. |
| 16:12.54 | zion71 | covener: netstat -rn has the proper route info |
| 16:12.54 | fflush | asg: thx |
| 16:12.58 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: on the next reboot it will work...so that's good enough for him, I think. |
| 16:13.01 | jetscreamer | 2.6 has that forced module unloading but i dunno how good it works |
| 16:13.21 | __Pulsar__ | buht: I am not the real expert on this, but maybe you should boot... |
| 16:13.25 | buht | sgeigerbot : i dont want to reboot thats why im here :) |
| 16:13.26 | zion71 | covener: Destination 0.0.0.0 GW 192.168.168.17 Genmask 0.0.0.0 |
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| 16:13.42 | buht | unless its my only option? |
| 16:13.44 | Covener | zion; and the gw is reachable? |
| 16:13.57 | vanguard | buth: You can unload it manually. And edit it out in modules.conf. When system is up, edit it in. |
| 16:14.03 | zion71 | covener: yes...I could see as far the the firewall public IP..after that nothing |
| 16:14.17 | jetscreamer | http://www.scyld.com/network/ne2k-pci.html |
| 16:14.26 | vanguard | So you prevent the kernel from loading it. |
| 16:14.28 | Covener | zion71: firewall config maybe? |
| 16:14.31 | __Pulsar__ | buht: Do you have USB-Keyboard/Mouse or PS2 ? |
| 16:14.34 | buht | vanguard : the system is up. |
| 16:14.40 | buht | __Pulsar__ ps2 |
| 16:14.44 | sgeigerbot | buht: another option is to leave the module loaded... |
| 16:14.45 | jetscreamer | you need to know your chipset colde89 |
| 16:14.51 | vanguard | I have the same problem with my ir-device. |
| 16:14.55 | zion71 | covener: i have changed IP Address to another ranged that I am on and it still does not work. |
| 16:15.06 | buht | right now, the box is up, i need to reload the keyboard/mouse if possible, so tty1 works :) |
| 16:15.07 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: ready-link or not ?? |
| 16:15.09 | zion71 | covener: I could only see the internal (two different IP Ranges) |
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| 16:15.22 | __Pulsar__ | buht: So it is unlikely that you use modules for keyboard/mouse -> reload kernel = reboot |
| 16:15.29 | vanguard | It is starting an then the screen is full with errors: IRDA nor response (in konsole) |
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| 16:15.32 | buht | __Pulsar__ damn! hehehe ok |
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| 16:15.37 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: pcmica |
| 16:15.39 | jetscreamer | huh what? |
| 16:15.42 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:15.48 | buht | no way out of this one it looks like |
| 16:16.06 | zion71 | covener: did I miss anything during the installation that may cause this |
| 16:16.20 | __Pulsar__ | buht: If you would find another way, I would like to know it too ;-) |
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| 16:16.38 | jetscreamer | dunno, never touched pcmcia cards |
| 16:16.42 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 16:16.47 | angelgabriel | bob2: vanguard: thanks guys, it worked!! |
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| 16:17.07 | colde89 | jetscreamer :: ok .. |
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| 16:17.10 | buht | __Pulsar__ ok im gonna go mess around with ideas... ill bbl |
| 16:17.10 | vanguard | :))) angelgabriel: Fine !!!! |
| 16:17.13 | buht | thanks all! |
| 16:18.18 | vanguard | bob2: How du I "su" in KDE ? su -p ???? |
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| 16:18.33 | __Pulsar__ | Does anybody Audio Recording on an elder PC (350 MHz) ? |
| 16:18.53 | Skaag | is that a valid question? |
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| 16:19.02 | zion71 | covener: any ideas? |
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| 16:19.09 | zophyx | huisker doo ! |
| 16:19.28 | jetscreamer | ooops worng button |
| 16:19.40 | bob2 | vanguard: sudo. |
| 16:19.40 | jetscreamer | hey i remember that game |
| 16:19.51 | jetscreamer | as seen on tv |
| 16:19.57 | __Pulsar__ | I am looking for a simple graphic tool that shows me the input level on my soundcard |
| 16:20.02 | finger | bye |
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| 16:20.07 | __Pulsar__ | (like Krecord input level) |
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| 16:20.19 | asg | __Pulsar__: aumix |
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| 16:20.40 | vanguard | No, bob2, not for a single command. I will use "users"-windowmanager for some root-programs. |
| 16:20.51 | __Pulsar__ | asg: no, aumix shows me the slider, but not the actual sound level (i am using gamix for alsamixing) |
| 16:20.54 | vanguard | Like nmap, or ethereal. |
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| 16:20.57 | tux-helper | were can i find apt-cache mirror? i know it was something with apt-cache.org or something? |
| 16:21.14 | asg | __Pulsar__: ah, okay |
| 16:21.15 | Skaag | enough with that root warning |
| 16:21.22 | vanguard | bob2: I tried su -p, but some paths are not seen. |
| 16:21.31 | zinx | vanguard: huh? you can use sude for nmap and ethereal |
| 16:21.36 | zinx | erh, sudo |
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| 16:22.12 | sgeigerbot | zinx: If you don't know what sudo does, you should install it on a box and get familiar with. If you can, just "apt-get install sudo" right now. However, instead of using sudo, you can simply become root (with "su") and then run the command without sudo. |
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| 16:22.23 | fairburn | hi people!! |
| 16:22.28 | Mave | "the way of su" |
| 16:22.30 | asg | fairburn: some of us are cats |
| 16:22.39 | Skaag | some of us are pigs |
| 16:22.40 | vanguard | zinx: Yes, but not every program runs corrct with sudo. Must be a rights-problem withe the X-server. |
| 16:22.40 | Skaag | oink |
| 16:22.46 | sgeigerbot | fairburn: ...others are bots |
| 16:22.55 | tarzeau | i'm a dolphin |
| 16:23.07 | tarzeau | they have better sex! |
| 16:23.11 | sgeigerbot | fairburn: We don't care for specism in this forum. |
| 16:23.17 | asg | tarzeau: is dvorak or qwerty better with flippers? |
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| 16:23.25 | sgeigerbot | http://www.dolphinsex.org |
| 16:23.36 | sladegen | su -; export DISPLAY=whatever; link .Xauthority.... |
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| 16:24.01 | __Pulsar__ | sladegen: bob2: NO ! |
| 16:24.12 | zinx | vanguard: those programs won't run "right" with su either |
| 16:24.12 | __Pulsar__ | become root in the shell |
| 16:24.24 | zinx | vanguard: just give root a cookie. |
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| 16:24.33 | __Pulsar__ | then do xauth merge ~username/.Xauthority |
| 16:24.35 | zinx | vanguard: then they'll run right with both. |
| 16:24.41 | __Pulsar__ | then you can start the X-Program as root |
| 16:24.51 | Mave | zinx: hm will he increase my quota too ? |
| 16:24.52 | __Pulsar__ | DO NOT use xhost or so. |
| 16:24.53 | zinx | sgeigerbot: i dunno what you think you're talking about, kid :) |
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| 16:25.01 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: eeeew, that's a real site with actual instructions for doing it with dolphins |
| 16:25.04 | zinx | Mave: wha? |
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| 16:25.29 | vanguard | zinx: Hmm... I tried su -p. in 90 percent it works. In 10 percent not. |
| 16:25.33 | asg | paulswm: *shudder* |
| 16:25.35 | vanguard | Thats fancy. |
| 16:25.35 | Mave | zinx: if I give him a cookie will he increase my hd quota ? |
| 16:25.45 | zinx | vanguard: just give root a cookie. man xauth. |
| 16:25.47 | bob2 | use sudo. |
| 16:25.48 | asg | Mave: only if it has M&M's in it |
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| 16:25.55 | zinx | Mave: :/ |
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| 16:26.03 | vanguard | Not so important. In 10 percent, I switch to root KDE :))) |
| 16:26.15 | paulswm | asg: "Whether you masturbate or mate a fin, male or female, always spend time with them afterwards." Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwww |
| 16:26.21 | sladegen | vanguard: bad habbit |
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| 16:26.29 | __Pulsar__ | vanguard: Don't |
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| 16:26.35 | asg | paulswm: at least they are emotionally cognizant |
| 16:26.37 | vanguard | sladegen: Yes, but it works. |
| 16:26.45 | tarzeau | paulswm: dolphins are beautiful |
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| 16:26.50 | tarzeau | there's also a sex guide for horses! |
| 16:26.59 | __Pulsar__ | vanguard: Did you try the xauth merge |
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| 16:27.06 | paulswm | asg: yes but on a childish level |
| 16:27.11 | sladegen | vanguard: better stick with windows and powermongering then ;() |
| 16:27.18 | amon-re | I can't get out of the Video Modes list in the Xsever-xfree86 config screen. |
| 16:27.22 | amon-re | What do I do? :| |
| 16:27.28 | jetscreamer | hit tab |
| 16:27.37 | amon-re | ah ;) |
| 16:27.38 | asg | paulswm: true |
| 16:27.38 | vanguard | sladegen: Oh no !!!!! Please, no windows !!!!! |
| 16:27.46 | sgeigerbot | __Pulsar__: why not simply use sudo? |
| 16:27.52 | Mave | tarzeau: of course. race horse couplation is very important |
| 16:27.58 | vanguard | I have no windows since 1995 |
| 16:28.09 | __Pulsar__ | sgeigerbot: sudo gives the shell root permission. |
| 16:28.20 | paulswm | tarzeau: yes, but that dosn't mean one has to screw them |
| 16:28.20 | jetscreamer | vanguard, i'll be sure and tell the xfree ppl |
| 16:28.26 | ullulf | is there a prog that can verify that you are running x in 1600x1200@85Mhz? |
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| 16:28.38 | asg | ullulf: xdpyinfo |
| 16:28.39 | __Pulsar__ | sgeigerbot: But does not allow the Xserver (running as 'user') to display windows from root. |
| 16:28.41 | Zap-W | The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error Can't find file "us,il" for symbols include |
| 16:28.43 | tarzeau | ullulf: xvidtune |
| 16:28.47 | Zap-W | !! |
| 16:28.47 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 16:28.51 | vanguard | With SuSE , you can use su - |
| 16:28.52 | jetscreamer | gksu |
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| 16:28.54 | Zap-W | what am i missing here |
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| 16:29.07 | tarzeau | vanguard: you can also do rpm -e rpm on suse |
| 16:29.07 | vanguard | but..... SuSE............. :(((( |
| 16:29.19 | Mave | vanguard: redhat can too |
| 16:29.24 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: kdesu in kde |
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| 16:29.27 | Mave | vanguard: use gksu |
| 16:29.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:29.43 | vanguard | Yes, but i think, SuSE and Redhat are wide open. |
| 16:29.50 | madness | tarzeau: or indeed rm /bin/rm :P |
| 16:29.53 | vanguard | Thats not what I want. |
| 16:30.04 | vanguard | :))) |
| 16:30.09 | ullulf | asg&tarzeau: cheers |
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| 16:30.21 | sladegen | seems diff if you propose running kde as root |
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| 16:30.34 | jetscreamer | you could chmod -R 777 /* |
| 16:30.37 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 16:30.48 | paulswm | jetscreamer: heh |
| 16:30.57 | Zap-W | d |
| 16:30.57 | Mave | chmod -R 07777 /* |
| 16:30.58 | fairburn | asg:man species ... hmm |
| 16:31.03 | vanguard | sladegen: It is really seldom running KDE as root. An exception !!! |
| 16:31.06 | tarzeau | Mave: no |
| 16:31.07 | __Pulsar__ | jetscreamer: Do not tell such things without disclaimer (kids should not do that alone ;-) |
| 16:31.08 | sladegen | jet: yup |
| 16:31.19 | marcool | does somebody know a site that gives the standard (maybe Posix) organisation of a unix system ? (can't remember the name... :( ) |
| 16:31.22 | vanguard | I always work as normal user !!!!! |
| 16:31.29 | tarzeau | vanguard: we all do |
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| 16:31.36 | vanguard | (Must I really this expalin ????) |
| 16:31.49 | vanguard | tarzeau: I know !!!! |
| 16:31.53 | tarzeau | marcool: www.unix.org ? |
| 16:31.54 | sladegen | vanguard: so i said... bad habbit. they die hard and are born easily |
| 16:32.01 | Mave | marcool: search for FHS on google |
| 16:32.04 | tarzeau | marcool: www.posix.org |
| 16:32.10 | paulswm | marcool: the Filsystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) is prolly on the ldp site and it's in a denian package, debian-docs maybe |
| 16:32.16 | Mave | marcool: nevermind |
| 16:32.17 | tarzeau | Mave: oh come on that sucks |
| 16:32.20 | vanguard | I know, what you mean, sladg |
| 16:32.21 | jetscreamer | what paulswm said |
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| 16:32.24 | marcool | tarzeau, have a look at posix.org... nothing to do |
| 16:32.27 | tarzeau | marcool: www.debian.org is the linux standard |
| 16:32.33 | Mave | tarzeau: FHS ? |
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| 16:32.46 | marcool | tarzeau, not talking about linux standard.. :/ |
| 16:32.50 | tarzeau | Mave: they require you to have /opt |
| 16:33.04 | tarzeau | marcool: wtf are you here for? |
| 16:33.05 | sladegen | apt-get install debian-poilicy |
| 16:33.11 | tarzeau | marcool: this is #debian here |
| 16:33.12 | Mave | tarzeau: what's wrong with it ? it's optional to use |
| 16:33.13 | jetscreamer | what is /opt for anyway. mine's empty. |
| 16:33.14 | marcool | in fact my problem is about having or not /local |
| 16:33.27 | sladegen | policy* |
| 16:33.28 | tarzeau | marcool: i've never seen /local |
| 16:33.29 | systems | If you don't know how to compile a kernel, don't start to learn now. just wait for the 2.6 .deb, ok? |
| 16:33.30 | paulswm | jetscreamer: additional packages, like Oracle for instance |
| 16:33.32 | marcool | ususaly you put binaries for which you don't have sources in /opt |
| 16:33.34 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i use it :-D |
| 16:33.35 | systems | elaborate |
| 16:33.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:33.41 | marcool | on Su_n there is /local |
| 16:34.05 | Mave | jetscreamer: /opt is for packages which don't use standard directries like lib and bin |
| 16:34.06 | LoonaTick | quotacheck: Block 3: Block 9 in tree referenced twice || quotacheck: WARNING - Some data might be changed due to corruption. || quotacheck: Block 9: Duplicated entries. || quotacheck: ID 518 has more structures. User intervention needed (use -i for interactive mode or -n for automatic answer). |
| 16:34.06 | tarzeau | marcool: what's su_n? |
| 16:34.14 | LoonaTick | anyone know how I can fix that? |
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| 16:34.20 | marcool | s/su_n/sun |
| 16:34.23 | Mave | jetscreamer: like sun jdk/jre |
| 16:34.25 | sgeigerbot | systems: Why are you telling someone not to learn to compile akernel?????? |
| 16:34.26 | smcavoy | Hello, I've got a imap server (cyrus, accounts use pam_pgsql) setup on a debian box, with postfix as the mta. I would like to have the server "sort" my mail for me, should I be using procmail for this even though my local account is not the same as the mail account? |
| 16:34.29 | tarzeau | marcool: sun what? solaris? openstep? netbsd? debian? |
| 16:34.39 | systems | i am not it's from the topic |
| 16:34.43 | systems | i dont understand it |
| 16:34.43 | marcool | Solaris of course |
| 16:34.45 | tarzeau | marcool: i've never seen /local in solaris 6 .. 9 |
| 16:34.47 | sgeigerbot | systems: Sounds like: Just stay dumb because you can probably always stay dumb... |
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| 16:34.50 | jetscreamer | sgeigerbot, he just pasted the topic |
| 16:34.54 | bob2 | BSD: when even linux nerds aren't smelly enough. |
| 16:34.55 | Deanocide | how do you get man files for C functions |
| 16:35.08 | zion71 | Hello...I have a new debian server with a 3com NIC card. I can only see the internal network but not the internet |
| 16:35.09 | paulswm | bob2: rofl |
| 16:35.14 | tarzeau | Deanocide: manpages-dev |
| 16:35.17 | bob2 | Deanocide: manpages-dev |
| 16:35.20 | tarzeau | Deanocide: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 16:35.35 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: not my fault this time! |
| 16:35.41 | marcool | tarzeau, i'm not a sun specialist, i see it sometimes..., and most of our script at work use that f*cking /local |
| 16:35.44 | systems | heh |
| 16:35.48 | bob2 | smcavoy: cyrus has sieve, which I hear is nice. |
| 16:35.51 | systems | i kill the topic |
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| 16:36.07 | tarzeau | marcool: i am, and i've never seen it well, what kind of software do you use, what work do you do? what company? |
| 16:36.07 | Covener | marcool: not a dir i've ever seen either -- work on sun and aix quite often at work |
| 16:36.11 | Mave | tarzeau: bad thing about /opt is that it's not under /usr IMO |
| 16:36.11 | bob2 | zion71: you'll need to provide a lot more detail. |
| 16:36.14 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: yes, I think it should say: Knoppix questions: fsck off :> |
| 16:36.16 | sgeigerbot | bob2: You may take the loaf out now. |
| 16:36.17 | jetscreamer | where does one find out a tentative timetable for a 2.6 deb |
| 16:36.20 | bob2 | I've never seen /local on solaris, too. |
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| 16:36.25 | smcavoy | bob2: for cyrus 1.5? |
| 16:36.28 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Bzzzt. Wrong. |
| 16:36.33 | bob2 | smcavoy: um, not sure. |
| 16:36.36 | tarzeau | bob2: it's their people who create it, probably |
| 16:36.38 | bob2 | paulswm: amen! |
| 16:36.38 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: j/k |
| 16:36.42 | marcool | Mave, usually /opt is a Symlink for /usr/local |
| 16:36.43 | tarzeau | bob2: and then they go out of diskpace on / |
| 16:36.46 | tarzeau | bob2: idiots :) |
| 16:36.52 | bob2 | tarzeau: sure, but it doesn't seem widespread, afaict. |
| 16:36.53 | Mave | tarzeau: I prefer not to use but for some broken software it' good to have an /opt |
| 16:37.01 | bob2 | smcavoy: #cyrus maybe? |
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| 16:37.05 | tarzeau | Mave: i prefer not to touch broken software, or fix it |
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| 16:37.14 | bob2 | jetscreamer: people.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 16:37.15 | Covener | marcool: maybe you have one admin doing all this, i've never seen that either |
| 16:37.21 | paulswm | marcool: non standard to symlink /opt to /usr/local, they are meant for entirely different purposes, see the HFS |
| 16:37.27 | smcavoy | bob2: good idea. |
| 16:37.28 | paulswm | s/HFS/FHS/ |
| 16:37.28 | sgeigerbot | ~seen the use of single quotes in this channel |
| 16:37.35 | | i haven't seen 'the use of single quotes in this channel', sgeigerbot |
| 16:37.35 | jetscreamer | ahh hsenor xu, thankie |
| 16:37.35 | asg | bob2: drwxr-xr-x 10 root other 512 May 17 2002 /usr/local |
| 16:37.39 | asg | bob2: on a 2.6 box |
| 16:37.39 | Mave | tarzeau: I mean broken like JDK which doesn't follow usual /usr structure |
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| 16:37.49 | anxia | anyone has problems woth mozilla interface on sid?? |
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| 16:37.59 | amon-re | How do I configure X11? |
| 16:38.11 | sgeigerbot | amon-re: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 16:38.21 | asac | anxia: what problems du you mean? |
| 16:38.25 | jetscreamer | LOL!thanks bob2 |
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| 16:38.40 | Mave | tarzeau: for those packages it's better to isolate them in /opt rathet than putting under /usr/local. except /opt is under / |
| 16:38.48 | anxia | asac, i only get a yellow window with red words, i think some mozilla inter code |
| 16:38.52 | amon-re | When I installed the X server, a configuration screen came up, how do I get that screen back? |
| 16:38.59 | Covener | mave: what do youmean under /? |
| 16:39.04 | asg | amon-re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:39.13 | asac | anxia: reinstall didn't help? |
| 16:39.24 | bob2 | asg: Debian? that's odd, it should be root.staff. |
| 16:39.26 | anxia | it works for root, but not for common users |
| 16:39.31 | asg | bob2: no, Solaris 2.6 |
| 16:39.32 | Mave | Covener: /opt is under root partition. unþess you give it a dediacated part |
| 16:39.48 | Covener | mave: if you're installing software in /opt, it would be it's own filesystem |
| 16:39.49 | asac | mave you tried to move the .mozilla folder away? |
| 16:39.54 | Mave | Covener: or link under /usr/local |
| 16:39.58 | bob2 | asg: oooh, solaris 2.6, I get it. |
| 16:40.02 | bob2 | I'm a little slow :) |
| 16:40.08 | anxia | asac, i did it, nothing changes |
| 16:40.16 | asg | bob2: no worries, I'm still trying to get over the post-holiday hangover ;) |
| 16:40.17 | Mave | asac: no |
| 16:40.25 | asac | anxia: what extensions have you installed |
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| 16:40.39 | anxia | flash player and java plugin |
| 16:40.43 | asac | mave: sorry that message was not for your :) |
| 16:40.45 | Covener | mave: on the machines we use at work, /opt is half the storage availabel on the machine |
| 16:40.45 | Mave | Covener: yes but files will be in /'s partition right ? |
| 16:40.56 | Covener | mave: no, it's a seperate filesystem. |
| 16:41.02 | jetscreamer | my god the man worked on it on christmas day! (xu on 2.6) |
| 16:41.05 | paulswm | asg: I recommend 50/50 post and brandy, about 6 oz, drink in one go |
| 16:41.08 | Mave | Covener: those are not Linux I guess |
| 16:41.09 | vanguard | bob2: Das hat funktioniert mit den HGeaders !!!!!! |
| 16:41.14 | ercin | how can i use custom font as default kernel font ? |
| 16:41.14 | paulswm | s/post/port/ |
| 16:41.15 | vanguard | Sry |
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| 16:41.19 | jetscreamer | port, orpos.. nm |
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| 16:41.23 | Covener | mave: Same under linux, why would you install db2 or oracle onto your root fs? |
| 16:41.34 | vanguard | bob2: It works withe the headers !!!! |
| 16:41.37 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: Not everyone in the world is a Christian. |
| 16:41.48 | jetscreamer | ah good point sgeigerbot |
| 16:41.58 | Mave | Covener: I'm telling exactly same thing. It must not be in / partition. but must be put in /usr/local |
| 16:42.01 | Covener | mave: it's silly to think that sysadmins just haven't thought of this |
| 16:42.04 | bob2 | vanguard: cool. |
| 16:42.06 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: In fact, that's an understatement--most people aren't. |
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| 16:42.23 | vanguard | Yes !!! Can I delete the the sources ? |
| 16:42.25 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: narrow be the gate, and few there be that find it, is why |
| 16:42.27 | Covener | mave: what? what is wrong w/ a /opt filesystem? |
| 16:42.31 | asg | paulswm: hehe, I'm just finishing a few bottles of Fosters. That'll do the trick. |
| 16:42.42 | paulswm | asg: heh |
| 16:42.58 | Mave | Covener: you need a /usr file system too. and /usr and /opt are similar like both read-only |
| 16:43.02 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: perhaps...or perhaps because there are more people in China and India than in the rest of the world--that's my bet. |
| 16:43.03 | vanguard | I mean /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.20 |
| 16:43.13 | sladegen | sgeigerbot: and i would even say most christians arent christian ;( |
| 16:43.25 | qtio | would fatal hardware failures be in any log? I leftmy computer on for three days and nothing was running on it and it was frozen when I came back this morning... |
| 16:43.36 | sgeigerbot | sladegen: please...leave that one alone. |
| 16:43.37 | bob2 | vanguard: yes. |
| 16:43.38 | Mave | Covener: why create another partition when you can put /usr and /pot in same one ? |
| 16:43.48 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: Christanity is on the increase in China, not sure about India |
| 16:43.52 | bob2 | qtio: depends on what the error was. |
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| 16:43.54 | vanguard | qtio: Loook at kmsg.log, or messages |
| 16:43.58 | mwilson | qtio: Well, think about it this way... if it was fatal, and the computer froze, at what point could it have put something in a log? |
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| 16:44.21 | mwilson | qtio: Now, there may be events LEADING to the freeze that got logged, but the actual event? Doubtful. |
| 16:44.24 | adrighem | does anyone else have the problem of gnome progs hanging on a fcntl64 call? |
| 16:44.35 | Covener | mave: I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about |
| 16:44.41 | vanguard | bob2: When I have understood you corrctly, so I only have to installed the kernel-headers |
| 16:44.43 | vanguard | ? |
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| 16:44.52 | McCabe | anyone know of a software that will take a dir structure and make as many cd iso's as needed (mkisofs does not seem to be able to do this?) |
| 16:44.52 | qtio | the same thing happened with this box in windows, i assumed it was a windows problem |
| 16:44.57 | Mave | Covener: I think we're talking about differnet things. |
| 16:45.01 | mwilson | Why would you assume that? |
| 16:45.21 | adrighem | fcntl64(18, F_SETLKW, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_CUR, start=0, len=0}.....and then nothing... |
| 16:45.29 | qtio | Up until xp that was sort of normal behavor for windows |
| 16:45.41 | mwilson | Except that it wasn't, of course. |
| 16:45.46 | sladegen | qtio: memtest86... it perheps? |
| 16:46.02 | mwilson | Start by grabbing a copy of memtest86, let it grovel over the box for 24 hrs or so. |
| 16:46.04 | Covener | mave: you have some crazy presupposition that /opt is in the root fileystem if it's not symlinked into /usr |
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| 16:46.15 | paulswm | qtio: well if it's happening on two different OSes, that sure sounds like either hardware or BIOS, memory maybe |
| 16:46.25 | jetscreamer | that reminds me |
| 16:46.32 | mwilson | Covener: Dunno about yours, but I have a real /opt. Why would I want it under /usr? :) |
| 16:46.44 | tempo | i have a situatioin where i have 2 static ip's that go to the same box behind my firewall. i want to have one of those ip to be private (only certain wan ip can access it) and the other ip to be open to everyone. each ip will point at a different site. how should i go about doing that if i need to allow either a certain wan ip address or everyone to access my box on the firewall? |
| 16:46.52 | asg | paulswm: heh, just saw your d-u post |
| 16:46.52 | paulswm | qtio: did you make any hardware cahnges which caused this to start happening in Windows or Linux? |
| 16:46.58 | bob2 | vanguard: yes. |
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| 16:47.09 | Covener | mwilson: i dunno, maybe to rebel against your roots |
| 16:47.28 | eeyore- | qtio: do you have power management on? might be suspend/resume-related |
| 16:47.40 | Mave | Covener: so you create 2 extra partitions for /usr and /opt ? they are not different from fs characteristics (mount options etc) |
| 16:47.42 | qtio | paulswm no, in fact i've stripped everything except the bare essentials when i instlled |
| 16:47.47 | falmarian | anybody know how to get German characters in Linux without using XKB? |
| 16:48.03 | Covener | mave: you may create them, sure |
| 16:48.04 | paulswm | asg: not sure which post you mean |
| 16:48.21 | qtio | eeyore not a bad idea, but it looks like this happened 2and a half to three days after i last used it |
| 16:48.22 | asg | paulswm: 100% wanker </british> ... |
| 16:48.25 | mwilson | Covener: Rebel against my roots? /opt isn't normal anyway. I don't see any reason for it to have it's own partition (there's usually little there), or for it to be under /usr. |
| 16:48.31 | ercin | how can i use custom font as default kernel font ? |
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| 16:48.37 | mwilson | Covener: But I'm willing to be told differently if you have a reason. |
| 16:48.37 | jetscreamer | when i cp dirs, from/onto the same name, how do i tell it to not erase/overwrite the entire dir but leave existing files that are not duplicated alone? (aka windows cut&paste behavior) |
| 16:48.46 | paulswm | asg: oh yeah, I really shouldn't have done that but it felt good :) |
| 16:48.54 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 16:48.57 | eeyore- | qtio: what did that mean? |
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| 16:49.01 | Mave | Covener: That's slightly inefficent from disk space consideration viewpoint. merging them would be better. This is my point. |
| 16:49.09 | Covener | mwilson: alot of the pain-in-the-ass commercial software is happiest stashed in /opt |
| 16:49.19 | jetscreamer | yeah, merge instead of overwrite |
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| 16:49.25 | paulswm | asg: and you read the post, you could see that I was just stating an obvious fact :) |
| 16:49.28 | mwilson | Covener: I know this. But what does this have to do with the root-vs-symlink argument? |
| 16:49.40 | qtio | eeyore - i left it running over my 4 day weekend and 2.5-3 days into it it froze |
| 16:49.42 | mwilson | qtio: Just get memtest86 and start from there. |
| 16:49.43 | Mave | Covener: but if your commercial crap want to write under /opt story chancges dramatically of course |
| 16:49.57 | Covener | mave: that's what /opt is for. |
| 16:50.02 | Mave | Covener: FHS forbids that and uses /var/opt |
| 16:50.05 | qtio | mwilson - yeah Ive already installed and am about to run it |
| 16:50.16 | Mave | Covener: this is where we talk appales and bananas. |
| 16:50.24 | mwilson | qtio: Installed what? You don't run it from an OS, you boot into it. |
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| 16:50.42 | inch` | hi :( |
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| 16:50.49 | asg | paulswm: yeah |
| 16:50.56 | eeyore- | var/opt my ass. /var is private, local to the machine. /var/opt does not make sense for "shared opt" |
| 16:50.57 | inch` | i have one big problem - i lost my project :( |
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| 16:51.10 | Covener | mwilson: that part of the arg was mave telling me it was silly to ever use /opt "because it's in /'s partition" |
| 16:51.11 | asg | inch`: restore from backups |
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| 16:51.24 | Mave | eeyore-: nearly all /var is local except mail and spool |
| 16:51.26 | inch` | all data is in lost+found, what must i do if i wont recover it? |
| 16:51.31 | mwilson | Covener: Uh, that makes zero sense, I hope you told him? |
| 16:51.59 | eeyore- | qtio: hmm. does the machine get hot? overheat? |
| 16:52.00 | Covener | mwilson: it was a beautiful argument. Strong men wept |
| 16:52.01 | inch` | please, help me - it realy serous problem :( |
| 16:52.15 | sgeigerbot | inch`: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=193 |
| 16:52.21 | amon-re | Could someone clarify the output of lspci? |
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| 16:52.35 | Mave | Covener: no I said it's silly to create a partion for opt and another for usr |
| 16:52.36 | asg | inch`: start going through the files in lost+found; recreate your project structure and put the files back in it |
| 16:53.09 | Mave | Covener: and I'm talking about strict FHS usage. |
| 16:53.15 | inch` | asg: i dont understand... i have there olu iniodes numbers, like this #12345 |
| 16:53.16 | paulswm | eeyore-: not directed at you |
| 16:53.18 | Covener | mave: guess you're right, <Mave> Covener: yes but files will be in /'s partition right ? |
| 16:53.21 | eeyore- | paulswm: :-D |
| 16:53.27 | mwilson | amon-re: There's a reason not to read the man page? |
| 16:53.31 | sladegen | and what if someone makes his /var a reiserfs optimized for small files... bleh just symlink /home into /usr/local and be done with it... i recetly visited FreeBSD with this kind of setup |
| 16:53.32 | asg | inch`: yes, that's why you have to *look* at them and determine what they are |
| 16:53.36 | mwilson | Covener: Wtf ford "root's partition" mean? |
| 16:54.01 | mwilson | s/ford/does/ |
| 16:54.06 | eeyore- | qtio: bear with me here ... do you notice the crash simply because you're "activating" the machine? say, press a key, move a mouse ... |
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| 16:54.09 | mwilson | I have NO idea where "ford" came from |
| 16:54.10 | Mave | Covener: that was not a conclusion.. |
| 16:54.16 | Covener | mave: i'll second that |
| 16:54.17 | asg | mwilson: was wondering :) |
| 16:54.18 | inch` | asg: it it long list of this inodes :( |
| 16:54.28 | eeyore- | qtio: because i've had two or three machines with various cards/kernel combos that would die on wake up ... |
| 16:54.50 | asg | inch`: yes, if you don't have backups of your project files, you will have to manually decide which is which and put them in the right place from your memory of your project |
| 16:54.53 | asuffield | inch`: then you've got a lot of work to do |
| 16:55.03 | qtio | eeyore no it doesnt seem to be - the date on the screen was the 26th |
| 16:55.07 | eeyore- | qtio: most notably with BX2000+ (gigabyte) board with 3dfx voodoo3 card :-D |
| 16:55.13 | jetscreamer | ford fairlane |
| 16:55.25 | Mave | mwilson: uhm ford -> word ? |
| 16:55.30 | asg | jetscreamer: a surprisingly funny film |
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| 16:55.43 | qtio | eeyore- Let me check to see if i have any logs after the 16th |
| 16:55.45 | jetscreamer | yeah i just found the dvd and snagged it |
| 16:55.50 | asuffield | mwilson: left hand one character to the right |
| 16:55.53 | Covener | jetscreamer: haha, very nice |
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| 16:55.55 | inch` | ok |
| 16:55.58 | inch` | thx |
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| 16:56.06 | eeyore- | qtio: yeah, don't rule out the subsystems interaction yet (software raid, framebuffer, etc.) |
| 16:56.12 | inch` | will be very hard night :( |
| 16:56.16 | inch` | bye |
| 16:56.22 | eeyore- | qtio: SMP can also trip up some subtle bugs |
| 16:56.25 | asg | ~asuffield++ |
| 16:56.36 | mwilson | asuffield: That must be it. :) |
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| 16:57.16 | eeyore- | qtio: also, do you have removable devices like USB/firewire hard drives? |
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| 16:57.28 | clown | Is there a special Debian-way to compile a kernel for a other system (to get Debian installed on that system) on MY system? I need a special kernel for that machine to bootstrap the install proces... |
| 16:57.35 | asg | clown: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:57.56 | asg | clown: unless the arches are different |
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| 16:59.06 | clown | asg: Thanks, not flaming here, but I know about make-kpkg but what use is the .deb to me? How can I put that into a floppy and boot from it? |
| 16:59.25 | asg | clown: you need to make a custom boot disk |
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| 16:59.32 | clown | asg: correct |
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| 16:59.37 | jetscreamer | after yo make the custom kernel |
| 16:59.37 | asg | clown: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
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| 16:59.44 | asg | clown: there are helpful instructions there |
| 16:59.47 | qtio | eeyore- no i dont, also i didnt find anything that looked usuable in apt-cache for SMP |
| 17:00.07 | thomas_ | problem: my system starts bdflush, which uses almost the whole cpu for about 5 sec. does any1 know anything about that? |
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| 17:01.06 | danilo_ | does anyone has connected to msn network with centericq succefully |
| 17:01.23 | amon-re | What do the numbers "00:0a.0" of the lspci output mean? |
| 17:01.28 | thomas_ | and how can bdflush be executed though i have it not installed? |
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| 17:01.56 | ryuujin | Does someone in here use gaim? |
| 17:02.01 | arturaz_ | how i can add custom revision to debian package to keep it from upgrading? |
| 17:02.11 | jetscreamer | my kids use gaim |
| 17:02.21 | ryuujin | for msn, that is |
| 17:02.22 | bob2 | amon-re: pci id's. |
| 17:02.24 | Groundy | arturaz_: i've always added a custom changelog entry |
| 17:02.24 | bob2 | thomas_: isn't it a kernel thread? |
| 17:02.27 | jetscreamer | all i know is how to apt get it |
| 17:02.42 | bob2 | arturaz_: "dch -i" |
| 17:02.44 | clown | asg: thanks, great page |
| 17:02.46 | fairburn | man somebody really should sit down and write something like the genkernel fro debian |
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| 17:02.55 | danilo_ | someone can help me to connect to msn with centericq |
| 17:02.57 | bob2 | danilo_: do you have a REALLY recent one? |
| 17:03.05 | bob2 | fairburn: "genkernel"? |
| 17:03.23 | danilo_ | bob2: i have 4.9.8 msn pathced |
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| 17:03.41 | amon-re | danilo_: MSN decided to drop support for third party MSN clients and I do not think centericq supports it yet |
| 17:03.47 | sgeigerbot | danilo_: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
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| 17:04.00 | thomas_ | bob2: yes it is i think. |
| 17:04.02 | paulswm | fairburn: s/somebody really shoudl/I volunteer to/ |
| 17:04.04 | revengeslayer | anyone can tell me if the 2.6.0 kernel is stable enough or not? |
| 17:04.06 | pearlbear | anyone having problems with apache segfaulting in testing? |
| 17:04.14 | thomas_ | bob2: but it seems not to be running rightly |
| 17:04.18 | danilo_ | amon-re: there is a patch |
| 17:04.22 | fairburn | bob2:its something that figures out what hardware u have and compiles a kernel image .. |
| 17:04.23 | sgeigerbot | revengeslayer: "stable enough"? It's considered stable |
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| 17:04.38 | revengeslayer | sgeigerbot are you sure ? |
| 17:04.39 | fairburn | paulswm:yeah i knew that was coming .. :) |
| 17:04.45 | paulswm | fairburn: :-> |
| 17:04.57 | sgeigerbot | revengeslayer: Well, I'm taking Linus Torvalds word for it. |
| 17:04.59 | danilo_ | sgeigerbot: when i tried to connect the message is: could not resolve hostname |
| 17:05.07 | paulswm | fairburn: I saved mwilson some typing :> |
| 17:05.23 | fairburn | hey its torvalds birthday today .. didnt know that |
| 17:05.28 | sgeigerbot | danilo_: do you have your dns servers set up right? |
| 17:05.28 | bob2 | fairburn: why bother? use a Debian kernel and you don't have to care. |
| 17:05.44 | revengeslayer | sgeigerbot ok |
| 17:05.45 | revengeslayer | =) |
| 17:05.46 | fairburn | bob2:i didnt get that |
| 17:06.04 | amadeus_ | Hello! I would like to move server from RH 8.0 to latest stable debian. I would also like to keep current /home partition, which is formatted as ext3. How can i do that? Thanks for your help. |
| 17:06.05 | danilo_ | sgeigerbot: i didnt know that i need dns servers to use msn client |
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| 17:06.19 | fairburn | bob2: i meant it takes of the pain of sitting and doing the make menuconfig |
| 17:06.24 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: he was here yesterday. |
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| 17:06.37 | sgeigerbot | danilo_: you need to have settings that let your dns resolver ask dns servers how to resolve names |
| 17:06.47 | bob2 | amon-re: you dont' need to do anything except read the install guide, Debian supports ext3 just fine. |
| 17:06.50 | fairburn | bob2:off* |
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| 17:07.10 | LoonaTick | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.12 | jetscreamer | amadeus_, 2.2.20-idepci doesn't have ext3 support, be sure and use bf24 |
| 17:07.28 | bob2 | fairburn: ahy are you building a kernel at all? |
| 17:07.28 | bob2 | amadeus_: ^ |
| 17:07.30 | danilo_ | sgeigerbot: i can resolve hostnames.. the problem is centericq cant resolve members.hotmail.com |
| 17:07.46 | sgeigerbot | danilo_: can you resolve it? |
| 17:07.48 | LoRez | LoonaTick: vmware does that by setting promisc mode on the interface and responding to the fake arp requests |
| 17:08.05 | danilo_ | sgigerbot: yes i can make a ping to it |
| 17:08.07 | fairburn | bob2:i am trying to compile the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:08.12 | bob2 | fairburn: /topic |
| 17:08.19 | LoonaTick | LoRez: is there a how-to available? |
| 17:08.20 | bob2 | fairburn: users don't need to build kernels. |
| 17:08.29 | bob2 | fairburn: if they decide to do so, they should know how to do it properly. |
| 17:08.32 | sgeigerbot | danilo_: sounds like an application problem. If you can change the name to a number in the config file, try that. |
| 17:08.34 | LoRez | LoonaTick: that was your howto =) |
| 17:08.36 | LoonaTick | I need to do this because i want more ip's on the machine, for each static IP I need another mac address |
| 17:08.38 | LoonaTick | hehe |
| 17:08.45 | LoonaTick | ouch |
| 17:08.49 | fairburn | bob2:ok ..lol |
| 17:08.58 | LoRez | LoonaTick: how many? |
| 17:09.14 | amadeus_ | jetscreamer, if i boot installation process with bf24 then will be lso apropriate kernel install and used after installation? |
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| 17:10.00 | LoRez | LoonaTick: you might just be able to add arp entries to the same effect as well, dunno how distinct the ip addresses will be though |
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| 17:10.49 | Covener | LoonaTick: you actually need the diff mac address? |
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| 17:11.24 | jetscreamer | amadeus_, you'll need to upgrade your kernel after that also, but! i dunno what kernels are available on the woody v2 cd |
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| 17:11.51 | bob2 | drupal is pretty cool. |
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| 17:12.28 | lunarknight | Can anyone help me get direct rendering to work on my radeon 7000 pci card? |
| 17:13.32 | lunarknight | i guess i'm going to keep on trying different configurations.. be back |
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| 17:13.38 | erwin_ | I don't get my X working.... if I start X I'll see fatal server error:Addsreen/Screeninit failed for driver 0 ( can someone help me?? ) Is't my video driver?? It's a nvidia tnt2??? Maybe my monitor?? |
| 17:14.01 | tech13 | anyone work with cups for printing on debian? |
| 17:14.15 | jetscreamer | erwin /msg dpkg nvidia and use nv driver |
| 17:14.20 | bob2 | erwin_: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 17:14.28 | bob2 | tech13: lots of people. are you takign a survey? |
| 17:14.30 | erwin_ | ok thanks! |
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| 17:14.48 | bob2 | amadeus_: read the install guide and use the bf2.4 kernel flavour. easy. |
| 17:15.00 | tech13 | i'm having problems changing my default printer using cups and trying to printing from kmail |
| 17:15.18 | jetscreamer | erwin_, and google for your monitor specs so you can put the refresh rates... and DONT use framebuffer option |
| 17:15.27 | tech13 | lpoption -d printer2 didn't change it, xpp, options 'set this as default' didn't change it either.. |
| 17:15.54 | tech13 | man lpoption doesn't mention the -d option that was in section 4 of the help. |
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| 17:16.06 | sgeigerbot | bob2: The truth is that we don't, as a community, attempt to figure out which (OS|person|distro|jelly doughnut) is most (secure|easy to use|intelligent|dilligent|good looking|sexy|able to make the best vegemite toast). We rely on an 'unpopularity' contest to figure that out. Popularity is a fickle thing, though. |
| 17:16.09 | amadeus_ | bob2, thanks. |
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| 17:16.36 | anxia | tech13, have you tried to do it on the web interface?? |
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| 17:16.50 | anxia | tech13, http://localhost:631 |
| 17:17.02 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: indeed. |
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| 17:17.11 | tech13 | i recall seeing it in the web interface, but i don't remember where in the interface i saw it. |
| 17:17.15 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: can you think of a method that would satisfy everyone, though? |
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| 17:18.05 | sse2 | any kernel hackers here? |
| 17:18.10 | danilo_ | some text based msn client that *work* in linux? |
| 17:18.18 | sse2 | I've got a challenge |
| 17:18.18 | mage | danilo_: centericq |
| 17:18.36 | danilo_ | mage: do you use it? |
| 17:18.44 | qtio | when i scroll up in konquerer past the top of the page, konquerer jumps a few pages back in its queue. Does anyone know what might cause this? |
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| 17:18.50 | danilo_ | mage: really use it |
| 17:18.56 | mage | danilo_: no I use gaim |
| 17:19.10 | mage | but centericq is the best text-based icq/msn/... client |
| 17:19.11 | danilo_ | mage: i try it and dont work for me |
| 17:19.14 | sse2 | use aMSN |
| 17:19.40 | danilo_ | sse2: Console text based without X msn client |
| 17:20.00 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Do what dictators do: Kill everyone who doesn't agree. |
| 17:20.14 | tech13 | anxia: where in the web interface is it? i don't see it on http://localhost:631/printers, nor in the modify/config printer sections. |
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| 17:20.19 | sse2 | ok |
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| 17:20.34 | sse2 | hey I'm gonna start with a project |
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| 17:20.51 | sse2 | I'm gonna add virtual SMP to the kernel |
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| 17:21.04 | sse2 | you have one CPU |
| 17:21.17 | jetscreamer | timeslice |
| 17:21.25 | sse2 | but one CPU will emulate multiple CPU's |
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| 17:21.51 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: I'll get right on it. do you like knoppix/morphix? |
| 17:22.01 | sse2 | good for testing SMP if you don't have SMP |
| 17:22.04 | Covener | sse2: ever taken a computer architecture course? |
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| 17:22.10 | sse2 | yes |
| 17:22.18 | Covener | sse2: how'd you do :( |
| 17:22.23 | sse2 | espessially x86 |
| 17:22.25 | sgeigerbot | bob2: ;-) Umm...is this question a matter of life or death? |
| 17:22.37 | knt | hi all, when i try to type "modprobe rtc" taking such an err: "FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)". what could be ther eason of it? |
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| 17:22.39 | sse2 | well it's like threads |
| 17:22.50 | Covener | NC law says you have to honk your horn as you change lanes! |
| 17:22.52 | sse2 | u use the timer for timeslicing |
| 17:22.53 | sgeigerbot | bob2: I think you should ask the newbies first, then mwilson, and then me... |
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| 17:23.21 | erwin_ | dpkg-nvidia |
| 17:23.21 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: lol |
| 17:23.35 | anxia | tech13: /usr/sbin/lpadmin -d printer |
| 17:23.49 | erwin_ | dpkg nvidia |
| 17:23.49 | dpkg | [nvidia] "apt-get install nvidia-glx-src" and "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src" and then read the README.debian at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-* --> and in the glx when it says "modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" it means to comment out "load" "GLcore" and "load" "dri" and add the line "load" "glx" if it isn't already there. See also /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz, or ask me about nvidia debs |
| 17:23.55 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.19 | erwin_ | dpkg setup x |
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| 17:24.19 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 17:24.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.33 | sse2 | the only problem is that the kernel must see multiple processor and act on the emulated CPU's like real ones |
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| 17:26.30 | jetscreamer | nv5328 seems to be a massive improvement |
| 17:26.48 | tech13 | anxia: it just asked for my user password multiple times. i gave my user password (a couple times thinking i had typod), then the root password incase it was a misprint in the question... then junk (ctrl-c, ctrl-z, ctrl-g), then i just killed it. |
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| 17:27.12 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 17:28.00 | jetscreamer | hell even i knew better than to 'netasroot' my first install |
| 17:28.03 | paulswm | sse2: sounds like a lot of work just to test SMP apps. Everything else will run slower. But it certainly sounds like a fun and interesting exercise - good luck! |
| 17:28.06 | anxia | tech13: su to root, and then "/usr/sbin/lpadmin -d your_printer_name" |
| 17:28.22 | jetscreamer | if you're gonna make smp apps you probably have an smp machine lying around |
| 17:28.58 | oneifreak | plugwash: thats sure safe |
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| 17:29.22 | LoneTech | simulating smp sounds like a somewhat redundant excercise to me. |
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| 17:29.35 | qtio | plugwash wouldnt telling people that you're planning on doing that defeat the purpose? |
| 17:29.50 | paulswm | sse2: you don't have to build it into the kernel though, you could write a prototype emulator and run tasks inside it, no? |
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| 17:29.59 | tech13 | anxia: thank you, that worked. so, is my setup foobared since it won't let the user change the default printer? |
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| 17:30.03 | eeyore- | fun article here, http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13350 |
| 17:30.04 | sladegen | plugwash: must be running open system... |
| 17:30.17 | anxia | tech13, no, only root can do that |
| 17:30.46 | tech13 | anxia: http://localhost:631/sum.html#5_4 suggests users should be able to as well |
| 17:30.46 | paulswm | eeyore-: just as long as it's not about animal sex or anything, I'll take a look... |
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| 17:31.35 | qtio | hey eeyore you said something earlier about SMP and this box is a dual processor with only one processor in it... would that effect anything, or perhaps settings in the bios? |
| 17:31.41 | sladegen | paulswm: its worse it must be about IT industry... *shudder* |
| 17:32.14 | paulswm | sladegen: it *is* about animal sex: there's a picture of a gorilla and they mention Microsoft |
| 17:32.15 | bob2 | qtio: what motherboard? |
| 17:32.43 | sladegen | paulswm: should have read that spam more carefully |
| 17:32.55 | sse2 | paulswm: other apps won't be slow because I've found something for that problem |
| 17:33.19 | paulswm | sse2: you're going to bypass your code unless it's an SMP app, right? |
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| 17:33.22 | qtio | bob2: its a VP6 |
| 17:33.27 | c5 | my network aint working. ive reinstalled debian 3 times now. What module shall i install |
| 17:33.29 | sladegen | it is both micro and soft.... |
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| 17:33.47 | sse2 | when there is nop SMP app running |
| 17:33.59 | jetscreamer | c5 the nic module that's written for your chipset |
| 17:34.01 | sse2 | the extra CPU's aren't emulated |
| 17:34.02 | eeyore- | paulswm: it's about a flat quater for microsoft, jumping ship, microsoft culture, etc. |
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| 17:34.10 | paulswm | sse2: ah |
| 17:34.14 | c5 | jetscreamer How do i check my chipset? |
| 17:34.20 | eeyore- | qtio: what motherboard is this? |
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| 17:34.24 | bob2 | c5: depends on your card. what is it? |
| 17:34.30 | qtio | eeyore- its a vp6 |
| 17:34.35 | sse2 | so other apps won't be slower |
| 17:34.41 | jetscreamer | i usually look at the card and read the chip but that's me |
| 17:34.42 | paulswm | eeyore-: yeah, just skimmedit. Perhaps I should be unloading some MSFT stock |
| 17:34.53 | c5 | Gigafast ethernet ee100-axp |
| 17:34.56 | paulswm | s/skimmedit/skimmed it/ |
| 17:35.05 | betoreyez | where can I know which video card is inside? |
| 17:35.11 | c5 | bob2: Gigafast ethernet ee100-axp |
| 17:35.14 | tarzeau | betoreyez: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 17:35.18 | tarzeau | betoreyez: dump the video rom |
| 17:35.19 | jetscreamer | c5 http://scyld.com/network will have the info |
| 17:35.21 | tarzeau | betoreyez: or use lspci |
| 17:35.49 | danilo_ | how can i remove a directory in a console |
| 17:35.51 | eeyore- | paulswm: you have some? horrors! should buy DSWL or NTE instead ;-) |
| 17:35.57 | sladegen | or watch for it advertsing during bootup/bios phase |
| 17:36.00 | betoreyez | tarzeau: thanks |
| 17:36.01 | paulswm | sse2: put up a web page with your design, etc and how it's going, I'd be very interested to read it |
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| 17:36.08 | jetscreamer | danilo_, rm -R or rmdir if it's empty |
| 17:36.44 | danilo_ | jetscreamer: is not empty and i dont want it ask me for each file... |
| 17:36.55 | jetscreamer | rmdir -R dirname |
| 17:36.58 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 17:37.00 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:37.03 | jetscreamer | rm -R dirname |
| 17:37.03 | paulswm | eeyore-: MSFT has been very good to me, but nothing lasts for ever :( |
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| 17:37.08 | sladegen | -i perheps |
| 17:37.16 | jetscreamer | stock |
| 17:37.16 | eeyore- | qtio: abit? hmm. i'd try upgrading its bios, *and* play around with PCI card (shuffle them around), try to reduce interrupt/dma sharing as much as possible |
| 17:37.21 | sladegen | oh ooops |
| 17:37.32 | jetscreamer | nvda is ok |
| 17:37.43 | cuse | Anybody familiar with Sodipodi |
| 17:37.46 | eeyore- | qtio: it's *supposed* to be impossible to have "problems" with PCI interrupt/dma sharing, but in actual practice, esp. on abit boards, things are a little different than theory |
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| 17:37.57 | paulswm | sse2: that's the most interesting project I've heard of in a long time, migt be interested in collaborating if you need the help |
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| 17:38.20 | paulswm | sse2: maybe not a lot of use, but very interesting |
| 17:38.20 | sladegen | cuse: its ok... there is fork of it with very high/good intentions |
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| 17:39.00 | cuse | sladegen: you mean something better than Sodipodi? What is it's name? |
| 17:39.02 | chris2 | paulswm: he just left the channel |
| 17:39.18 | paulswm | chris2: crap, thankx |
| 17:39.22 | qtio | eeyore- thanks ill try that as well as the memtest86, are there any other diagnostic tools that might help? |
| 17:39.32 | jetscreamer | i hate it when i do that paulswm |
| 17:39.59 | paulswm | jetscreamer: yeah like I *need* more opportunities to feel like a dimwit |
| 17:40.05 | sgeigerbot | cuse: karbon14 and kontour might do vector graphics... sketc, xfig, tgif, gestalter also come to mind |
| 17:40.20 | sgeigerbot | cuse: I think Flash does the best job...but it's commercial. |
| 17:40.31 | sladegen | not better but aiming to be more then svg app ... inkscape |
| 17:40.35 | Active2 | hi all |
| 17:40.36 | eeyore- | qtio: linux, lspci -v does good job of listing resources for PCI cards/onboard components |
| 17:41.01 | paulswm | jetscreamer: it really appealed to an ol' hacker like me |
| 17:41.18 | sladegen | http://www.inkscape.org/ |
| 17:41.31 | Active2 | i'm using anjuta and want to program some gtk+ programs now you can set in the settings menu compiler flags and so but there are no compiler flags for gtk+ 2.0 only for 1.2 and that is to old ;) |
| 17:41.37 | eeyore- | qtio: also, while you're at it, check to make sure your bios isn't playing tricks with "factory overclocking" and try to keep your CPU/RAM timings to "standard" as much as possible |
| 17:41.39 | Active2 | When compiling anjuta i see this: |
| 17:41.41 | Active2 | checking for gtk+-2.0... yes |
| 17:42.00 | Active2 | so there is gtk+-2.0 support |
| 17:42.07 | cuse | sgeigerbot: no I know flash, but thats not what im looking for and btw. AFAIK the best commercial tool for vector graphics is "Freedraw", i guess that was its name. But im only interested in a free tool, so is anone of these tools you mentioned "better" than Sodipodi? |
| 17:42.08 | Active2 | what can be the problem of this ? |
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| 17:43.13 | qtio | eeyore- am i right in thinking that in lspci i shouldnt be seeing devices with the same IRQ? the usb and the Mass storage device (onboard raid) are sharing 10 |
| 17:43.26 | LoneTech | when I messed around a bit with that sodipodi was the nicest to me, but there are others I didn't try, I think |
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| 17:43.57 | LoneTech | qtio: they will show up with the same irq. typical mobos only use 4 or so irq lines and rotate them across slots. |
| 17:43.58 | Skaag | can I somehow check if a box has more than 1 cpu without checking in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 17:43.59 | eeyore- | qtio: not entirely. some devices (and drivers) seem OK with sharing interrupts/DMA lines |
| 17:44.07 | sladegen | yea sodipodi steals ideas from gimp... |
| 17:44.15 | Zap-W | can anyone name a qt3 or gtk2 text editor which dosent depend on gnome or kde?? |
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| 17:44.20 | eeyore- | qtio: some devices (and drivers) in linux (and XP) seem to have more trouble, probably a driver bug |
| 17:44.28 | jetscreamer | nedit |
| 17:44.35 | LoneTech | skaag: yes. it shows up all over in things like system load, interrupt statistics etc. |
| 17:44.50 | Skaag | LoneTech, only if the kernel is SMP... what if it's not? |
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| 17:45.05 | mofino | How do I prevent' |
| 17:45.07 | mofino | er |
| 17:45.18 | eeyore- | qtio: on the other hand, some motherboards tell you up front things like "don't put bus mastering card in slot 1 because it will disable onboard USB2.0 device", etc. so there's sometimes a hardware design choice that dictate what you can put where |
| 17:45.27 | mofino | How do I prevent 'apt-get -qy upgrade' from prompting with a curses window? |
| 17:45.30 | paulswm | qtio: eeyore's right, IRQ sharing is all right mostly, expect you don't want for instance your AGP card and a modem sharing the same IRQ |
| 17:45.34 | mofino | I need to get apt-get going from a script. |
| 17:45.42 | sladegen | dmesg? i think it should show multiple cpus... |
| 17:45.44 | LoneTech | skaag: then I suppose you'll have to probe for the presence of an smp bios or something. it's something I'd rather not do around the OS. |
| 17:45.58 | Skaag | ok thanks |
| 17:46.50 | eeyore- | qtio: to expand on what paulswm is saying ... you also don't want "high bandwidth" devices sharing interrupts either (e.g., network card / IDE or SCSI controller) |
| 17:46.52 | pimenas | mofino: --assume-yes doesn't work? |
| 17:46.54 | tweek71 | Hello...I have a debian server that can only see the internal but nothing outside the network. The netstat -rn displays correctly and the resolv.conf is okay too(for DNS). I am not sure what else I can do... any ideas? |
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| 17:47.03 | jetscreamer | alias a='apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 17:47.03 | paulswm | qtio: eeyore- is right again, I can't put a modem in PCI 1 because it interferes with my AGP (ABIT KG7-RAID) |
| 17:47.22 | mofino | pimenas, no I just tested it, it brought up the "Do you to install man setuid?" slang window. |
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| 17:47.37 | mofino | pimenas, when running apt-get -yq upgrade |
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| 17:48.03 | LoneTech | mofino: that's from debconf and not apt though.. perhaps it's separate from the "do not ask if I really want to download" etc |
| 17:48.09 | cuse | Is there a way to join lines in Sodipodi? I know there's a button to do this, but it seems I'm not able to select two nodes from two different lines |
| 17:48.12 | sladegen | tweek71: setup gw? |
| 17:48.41 | LoneTech | cuse: perhaps you must join the objects first? I'm not running it right now |
| 17:48.44 | mofino | LoneTech, well any ideas on how to tell debconf not to be such an asshole and toss a window up in the middle of a cron job? :) |
| 17:48.52 | paulswm | qtio: generally, and I'll have to wash my mouth out with soap and water, XP is pretty good at setting up interrupts, you can always take a look in device manager and compare with debian, although your problem seems to be with both OSes |
| 17:49.06 | LoneTech | mofino: um, reconfigure debconf? |
| 17:49.13 | mofino | LoneTech, will do. |
| 17:49.33 | LoneTech | it does have settings for interface to use and question priority. |
| 17:49.46 | mofino | LoneTech, indeed. That may help. |
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| 17:49.54 | LoneTech | though I don't know if it can ever guarantee non-interactivity |
| 17:49.56 | randey | mofino : man apt_preferences may help |
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| 17:50.20 | cuse | LoneTech: yes, that did it :) thanks! |
| 17:50.26 | LoneTech | oh, "non-interactive" is an option |
| 17:50.26 | mofino | randey, ahh |
| 17:50.37 | mofino | LoneTech, yeah -q |
| 17:50.38 | qtio | paulswm could this just be a faulty motherboard? I've had these problems from the day Ive bought it and irregardless of the equipment ive plugged into it |
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| 17:50.53 | mofino | Ahh |
| 17:50.57 | mofino | "noninteractive" |
| 17:50.59 | mofino | Nifty. |
| 17:51.07 | qtio | paulswm though it seems to be much less frequent in debian |
| 17:51.25 | sgeigerbot | cuse: have you tried inkscape yet? |
| 17:51.30 | eeyore- | paulswm: palmolive? it has a "nice, piquant, after-dinner flavor, heady but with just a touch of mellow smoothness" :-D (a christmas story) |
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| 17:51.37 | paulswm | qtio: I guess it could be, seeing as how you've stripped everything down |
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| 17:51.45 | cuse | sgeigerbot: no, is it better than sodipodi? |
| 17:51.52 | paulswm | eeyore-: lol |
| 17:51.57 | sgeigerbot | cuse: not sure...but potentially... |
| 17:52.01 | eeyore- | qtio: generally i stay away from Abit equipment :-) |
| 17:52.07 | sgeigerbot | cuse: I see that it even has a Windows version. |
| 17:52.14 | qtio | eeyore- i think i will as well ;) |
| 17:52.23 | cuse | sgeigerbot: dont care about a windows version :) |
| 17:52.27 | paulswm | eeyore-: I love ABIT stuff |
| 17:52.34 | mofino | Here's a question I think I know the answer too, but I'll ask anyway. Is it possible to automagically use a backup set of apt sources? |
| 17:52.36 | eeyore- | qtio: ASUS is pretty much rock solid. Gigabyte has loads of extra equipments. |
| 17:52.49 | eeyore- | qtio: Abit is for overclockers who don't mind a few rough spots |
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| 17:53.01 | mofino | eeyore-, like a working motherboard? |
| 17:53.02 | mofino | heh |
| 17:53.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.13 | eeyore- | mofino: well :-D |
| 17:53.16 | jetscreamer | make one |
| 17:53.16 | dsmith | Greetings Kind Debian people. What is the name of the shell comand that generates a series of numbers on stdout? Like the scheme function iota. |
| 17:53.23 | LoneTech | mofino: how do you mean? if you have multiple sources, apt normally falls back to the lower ones when the first ones do not respond. |
| 17:53.26 | tweek71 | sladegen: the gw has been setup under /etc/networks/interfaces and still no go |
| 17:53.36 | paulswm | eeyore-: I've been running my mobo for over 2 years, no probs, everything works great, typical "engrish" docs, though |
| 17:53.41 | mofino | LoneTech, ahh then nevermind. |
| 17:53.42 | eeyore- | dsmith: "seq"? |
| 17:53.44 | LoneTech | dsmith: you might mean seq |
| 17:53.45 | tweek71 | sladegen: any other ideas or suggestions |
| 17:53.47 | sgeigerbot | cuse: For your own use, of course not.. Same here. But still, I know people that use Windows, and it's always nice to be able to help them with a program that I might want to use. I have several friends hooked on Gimp, and one of the reasons is because they can share Gimp with their friends (without breaking laws). They like that...even though they use Windows. |
| 17:53.48 | sladegen | oy oy tweek71 dont msg... so what route says....? restarted ? |
| 17:53.51 | pimenas | dsmith: seq ? |
| 17:53.58 | dsmith | Seq. Soounds good. |
| 17:54.06 | dsmith | Yes! |
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| 17:54.08 | dsmith | THanks! |
| 17:54.10 | mofino | LoneTech, so I just specify a series of sources then? |
| 17:54.19 | LoneTech | yes. |
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| 17:54.24 | mofino | Too easy. |
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| 17:54.37 | sgeigerbot | cuse: Btw, the newest version of gimp is MUCH BETTER.... |
| 17:54.39 | LoneTech | only thing is, apt-get update will be a bit miffed if some sources do not work |
| 17:54.42 | tweek71 | sladegen: netstat -rn states DEST:0.0.0.0 GW:192.168.168.17 |
| 17:54.42 | Zap-W | i need an gtk2 or qt3 email client any recommendations? |
| 17:54.53 | sgeigerbot | cuse: they have been doing some really nice work. |
| 17:54.53 | Zap-W | i need an gtk2 or qt3 email client which dosen't depend on kde or gnome any recommendations? |
| 17:54.57 | tweek71 | sladegen: I also restarted the services..and nada |
| 17:54.57 | mofino | LoneTech, like miffed return non-zero miffed? |
| 17:55.12 | mofino | LoneTech, like not update miffed? |
| 17:55.13 | LoneTech | zap: yes, I recommend not repeating questions so much. and sylpheed. |
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| 17:55.37 | LoneTech | mofino: non-zero, I think.. may want to check that. |
| 17:55.38 | sladegen | tweek71: how is it all setup... man im not a feary... |
| 17:55.39 | cuse | sgeigerbot: just looking at the screenshots, it really look exactly like sodipodi, except that it has another title |
| 17:55.47 | mofino | LoneTech, will do. Thanks much. |
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| 17:56.07 | joseph | what does it take to get an nforce mobo working on debian? |
| 17:56.24 | coolnewbie | i am using sarge i cant play any games(which needs graphic card support) installed using apt-get i use nvidia geforce |
| 17:56.25 | mofino | joseph,did you try? |
| 17:56.28 | LoneTech | joseph: an attempt? |
| 17:56.33 | sladegen | tweek71: try #flood |
| 17:56.45 | pimenas | joseph: a kernel perhaps? |
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| 17:56.51 | Steven_ | where can I find the patch for the random match in netfilter ? (fabrice marie) |
| 17:57.08 | sgeigerbot | cuse: Hmmm...could be a fork, I guess. |
| 17:57.20 | tweek71 | sladegen: basic setup..the server is only handling DNS services. One connection to a switch, then it goes to a firewall and out to the internet. I am on a different segment of the network with a different IP range. The DNS server is 192.168.xxx.xxx segment (DMZ) and I am on a 10.5.xxx.xxx segement(Trusted). |
| 17:57.41 | sgeigerbot | Steven_: If you have that much info, why don't you google for it? |
| 17:57.48 | cuse | sgeigerbot: yes but it doesn't seem it forked far away :) |
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| 17:57.49 | Steven_ | sgeigerbot : I can't find it |
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| 17:58.12 | tweek71 | sladegen: other servers in the DMZ have no problems connecting outside to the internet |
| 17:58.16 | Steven_ | sgeigerbot : I found a bunch of patches on the netfilter site, but I can't believe that's it |
| 17:58.20 | joseph | mofino: I need to know beforehand if i have to download a driver for the install |
| 17:58.30 | sgeigerbot | Steven_: you are asking the wrong person. Sorry. |
| 17:58.32 | eeyore- | paulswm: engrish .... on my last trip to thailand, sitting on a store shelf was this line of product branded FCUK. i kid you not :-D we bought a deodorant spray for a gag present ;-) |
| 17:58.36 | paulswm | aaaarrrrrrggggghhh someone said nvidia, ppl talk more about nvidia than michael jackson |
| 17:58.49 | paulswm | prolly cos the both are perverted |
| 17:58.50 | LoneTech | joseph: not to install, but expect some work to get network, audio and graphics working right. |
| 17:58.56 | paulswm | s/the/they/ |
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| 17:58.57 | sirReal | i've got 3 different mail accounts I want to access, all POP. is there a way to set up a mail server on my box so that when i connect to it, i download mail from all 3 accounts? i'd like to be able to use kmail locally but ssh in and use mutt. |
| 17:59.11 | sladegen | tweek71: sorry i missed you... dang hardware |
| 17:59.15 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: FCUK, not FUCK |
| 17:59.33 | pimenas | sirReal: look for fetchmail |
| 17:59.34 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: mind the placements of the C and U, otherwise it wouldn't be engrish any longer |
| 17:59.34 | qtio | eeyore- we have a store out here called FCUK french connection UK |
| 17:59.35 | joseph | LoneTech: ok thanks, I will try and see how far we get. |
| 17:59.39 | LoneTech | sirreal: quite possible, but I do not know kmail. |
| 17:59.43 | tweek71 | sladegen: basic setup..the server is only handling DNS services. One connection to a switch, then it goes to a firewall and out to the internet. I am on a different segment of the network with a different IP range. The DNS server is 192.168.xxx.xxx segment (DMZ) and I am on a 10.5.xxx.xxx segement(Trusted). other servers in the DMZ have no problems connecting outside to the internet |
| 17:59.44 | paulswm | eeyore-: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=spermmouse.jpg&category=Computer&date=2002-10-06 |
| 17:59.47 | Steven_ | sgeigerbot : ok, no problem |
| 18:00.21 | sirReal | pimenas: will do . thanx. |
| 18:00.30 | eeyore- | paulswm: is that for real? |
| 18:00.41 | eeyore- | looks like a logitech |
| 18:00.50 | paulswm | eeyore-: re-brande :) |
| 18:01.24 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: okay |
| 18:01.38 | sladegen | hmmm.... so you have 2 interfaces in the server? |
| 18:01.48 | razerboy | what is the alias sound-service-0-3 meant to point to? |
| 18:01.49 | paulswm | eeyore-: yes, for real. how about this, topical w/jackson and all: http://www.engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=santa-please-stop.jpg&category=Signs/Posters&date=2003-12-19 |
| 18:01.57 | tweek71 | sladegen: nope..just one nic card |
| 18:01.59 | coolnewbie | i am using sarge i cant play any games(which needs graphic card support) installed using apt-get i use nvidia geforce |
| 18:02.07 | tweek71 | sladegen: simple setup |
| 18:02.14 | eeyore- | i like "Scanner something error happens" messagebox |
| 18:02.29 | sladegen | and its on 192.168. segment? |
| 18:02.59 | pimenas | coolnewbie: have u read the guides at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-xxx/ ? |
| 18:03.00 | tweek71 | sladegen: correct |
| 18:03.06 | joseph | Is ther something like supermount available in debian? |
| 18:03.08 | sladegen | ping <gw_ip> dont work? |
| 18:03.09 | LoneTech | that non-free nvidia thingy is really an FAQ. and the answer is still in the topic at #nvidia |
| 18:03.18 | eeyore- | paulswm: seen the "Angel Relief" chocolate yet? sounds like Ex-Lax if you asked me |
| 18:03.18 | coolnewbie | no |
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| 18:03.34 | paulswm | eeyore-: just the thing when you need to wash out your mouth w/soap and water: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=soap.jpg&category=Toiletries&date=2003-07-23 |
| 18:03.39 | LoneTech | joseph: yes. |
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| 18:03.55 | eeyore- | paulswm: do you have these bookmarked on purpose? :-D |
| 18:04.06 | tweek71 | sladegen: ping works to the gateway...once it passes the public IP of the firewall..it fails |
| 18:04.35 | qtio | eeyore- speaking of christmas story and engrish ive been singing deck the haws with baws of horry fa ra rara ra ra ra ra ra (from the end of christmas story) all week. |
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| 18:04.41 | paulswm | eeyore-: I bookmarked the site when LoRez (I think) pointed it out to me yesterday |
| 18:04.44 | sladegen | traceroute <outside_ip> too/ |
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| 18:05.01 | ryuujin | Does someone in here use gaim for msn? |
| 18:05.03 | LoRez | paulswm: wasn't me |
| 18:05.04 | J_P | hi all |
| 18:05.05 | sse2 | Are there any kernel hackers here? |
| 18:05.12 | LoRez | ryuujin: yes. use the latest version |
| 18:05.16 | mage | ~pools |
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| 18:05.25 | sgeigerbot | ~swimming pools |
| 18:05.33 | sgeigerbot | ~polls |
| 18:05.34 | sladegen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.40 | paulswm | LoRez: must have been ToresB (?) then |
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| 18:05.45 | eeyore- | qtio: love that movie |
| 18:05.47 | joseph | thanks all. |
| 18:05.49 | plugwash | !swimming pools |
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| 18:05.59 | mage | ~stop |
| 18:06.18 | mage | apt's seems dead again |
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| 18:06.29 | plugwash | dpkg doesn't seem to be here either |
| 18:06.30 | dpkg | plugwash: no idea |
| 18:06.35 | ryuujin | LoRez: what's the latest version number |
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| 18:06.44 | LoRez | ryuujin: #gaim |
| 18:06.50 | J_P | what software do this: two users logged in one linux machine by ssh, and user 1 like see all work of user 2. What software do this ? |
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| 18:07.17 | eeyore- | paulswm: there's a product i found in various Ranch-99 stores (southern CA) branded "Nudy". they're supposed to be haircare products. |
| 18:07.24 | sgeigerbot | J_P: screen |
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| 18:07.31 | CodeWarrior_ | hello friends |
| 18:07.31 | LoneTech | j_p: if you mean watching the interactive session, screen can do that, given the cooperation of the users and that the admin trusts screen. |
| 18:07.32 | paulswm | eeyore-: this is the one I was looking for, got distracted with the others. last one, I promise: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=car_air_freshener.jpg&category=Toiletries&date=2003-03-17 |
| 18:07.37 | McCabe | is there a command to copy a dir strucure without copying any files? |
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| 18:07.46 | potato | hi |
| 18:07.49 | potato | was anybody able to configure spamassassin+vpopmail ? |
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| 18:08.07 | eeyore- | McCabe: of the top of my head, find . -type d -exec mkdir -p {} \; |
| 18:08.11 | sgeigerbot | potato: #spamassassin might be more help |
| 18:08.11 | qtio | potato theres a qmail room you can get better help in |
| 18:08.11 | CodeWarrior_ | I'm still trying to watch some DVDs with mplayer, but nothing running yet ! is there anybody can help me about that ? |
| 18:08.13 | pimenas | McCabe: find -type d -exec .... |
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| 18:08.23 | eeyore- | McCabe: uh, ... -exec mkdir -p /some/other/place/{} \; |
| 18:08.24 | paulswm | eeyore-: Nudy, that's good. And I haven't seen the Angel one you mentioned, although I believe ther's an Angel Sweet Asse chocolate or somthing like that |
| 18:08.24 | McCabe | thanks! |
| 18:08.26 | J_P | LonelyOne yes.. is possible ? |
| 18:08.31 | vanguard | re |
| 18:08.33 | c5 | But there is not so meny Modules to choose for my network card.. Isnt there any default module i can install? |
| 18:08.33 | potato | qtio it seems that there's noone !afk in #qmail |
| 18:08.37 | J_P | LonelyOne with screen ? |
| 18:08.39 | McCabe | pimenas, eeyore-: thanks! :) |
| 18:08.39 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: Neither I nor anyone else here, I suspect, can read your mind, so I don't know whether I can help you. Try asking the *real* question before you ask that. Btw, by asking your question, you may learn something...and so might someone else. |
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| 18:08.44 | oskie | CodeWarrior_: try #mplayer |
| 18:08.45 | potato | i'll ask for help in #spamassassin, thx |
| 18:08.57 | J_P | sgeigerbot thank you! :-) |
| 18:09.03 | vanguard | c5: Most modules are compatible. |
| 18:09.05 | tweek71 | sladegen: traceroute just hits on hop and then dies |
| 18:09.12 | CodeWarrior_ | sorry sgeigerbot |
| 18:09.24 | sgeigerbot | J_P: Screen quick-start: "apt-get install screen" run with "screen" Create new window with "Ctrl-a c" use "Ctrl-a Ctrl-a" to go to the previous window. "Ctrl-a 2" will take you to the third window if you have one ("Ctrl-a 1" ..to the second window). "Ctrl-a d" will detatch your screen session. Use "screen -r" to reattach your screen session. "man screen" for many cool features, but the ones mentioned above are all you nee |
| 18:09.24 | sgeigerbot | d. |
| 18:09.39 | CodeWarrior_ | oskie, right but I didn't get it using Woody + mplayer (from marillat). |
| 18:09.48 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: Don't apologize for being stupid. Just be stupid. The Being-Stupid-And-Apologize-For-Being-Stupid Protocol v. 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Being-Stupid Protocol. ;-) |
| 18:09.49 | sladegen | tweek71: #flood and show me your ifconfig and route... |
| 18:09.57 | paulswm | wow, there has been a lot of changes in sarge over the last two days. |
| 18:10.02 | c5 | vanguard Yes. but the line i shall write?. whats that for line? and when i shall install there is written "busy something" installation failed |
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| 18:10.12 | qtio | eeyore- paulswm hey thanks for your help... im going to get some work done.. i guess if i cant solve the problem with all your tips ill just get a ASUS mb. |
| 18:10.25 | vanguard | c5: What hardware do you have ? |
| 18:10.30 | CodeWarrior_ | I receive a msg saying that mplayer doesn't show encrypted DVDs but I have libdvdcss2 instaled |
| 18:10.33 | paulswm | qtio: ABIT (grin) - good luck, buddy |
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| 18:10.49 | c5 | vanguard: Gigafast ethernet ee100-axp |
| 18:11.13 | vanguard | c5: Then try eepro100 |
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| 18:11.18 | qtio | paulswm dont you mean chagrin? |
| 18:11.29 | paulswm | qtio: very elegant |
| 18:11.31 | jim_ | i want some functions for jsp pages. in php the doc package is phpdoc. for jsp ?? |
| 18:11.34 | paulswm | :) |
| 18:11.40 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: are you starting mplayer with "mplayer dvd://" ? |
| 18:12.04 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: sure, and form GUI gmplayer too |
| 18:12.21 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: I got libdvdcss2 from free.marillat.fr too |
| 18:12.39 | CodeWarrior_ | but it seems I don't have the right lib |
| 18:12.51 | vanguard | c5: Might be, the e1000 runs , too. |
| 18:12.52 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: Not sure what to do. |
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| 18:12.54 | paulswm | or DiamcondCrapsOutOneDayAfterWarrantyExpires |
| 18:12.57 | c5 | vanguard: Yes. and what Command line argument? |
| 18:13.16 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: I would wonder if you have compatible versions of the various packages... |
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| 18:13.40 | vanguard | Hmm.... there is some modprobe-command, which shows any possible commandline-argument with explanation. |
| 18:13.45 | eeyore- | paulswm: oh if it's just one day you surely could talk them into exchanging it |
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| 18:13.48 | muncc2beo | In /etc/lilo.conf, where do I put kernel command line args, (eg, hdd=ide-scsi)? |
| 18:13.51 | vanguard | Does anybody know, which ? |
| 18:13.56 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: do you run mplayer from marillat ? |
| 18:14.03 | Steven_ | has anyone here ever worked with patch-o-matic under debian ? does patch-o-matic exist in debian ? because I can't find it |
| 18:14.03 | LoneTech | vanguard: no, but take a look at modinfo |
| 18:14.11 | vanguard | I am to lazy, to look into man modprobe. |
| 18:14.13 | J_P | sgeigerbot ok |
| 18:14.23 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: rumour has it, mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/; download the source and build your own .deb with just one command in the source directory: "fakeroot debian/rules binary"; you may need to install libpng2-dev and libgtk1.2-dev first,libsdl1.2-dev if you want SDL support, or see http://marillat.free.fr/ for sources.list, or able to play Sorenson Video 3 without libwine now! (--enable-qtx-codecs), or dh_testdir |
| 18:14.23 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.28 | paulswm | eeyore-: actually it's worse, I had an 80GB die after just two weeks, and two 40s die after about 18 months |
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| 18:14.48 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: no...I got it from mplayerhq.hu....and compiled it. |
| 18:14.50 | paulswm | eeyore-: it's not like I'm running them hot or anything |
| 18:15.23 | eeyore- | paulswm: odd. i haven't had that bad a luck with any drive. the closest i come to are the IBM drives which all died within one week of each other and taking out my array in the process. beyond that one unmitigated disaster, no complaints |
| 18:15.28 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: but can you run dvds using it ? |
| 18:15.48 | vanguard | Does anybody know about wlan-cards ? I have a AT1772. |
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| 18:16.03 | vanguard | And looking for a driver. |
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| 18:16.23 | Web52|Doochy | Hi i did install oidentd and psybnc i did get psybnc to support oidentd.. But when i start the psybnc and when the users get connected they all have the same vhost |
| 18:16.25 | vanguard | The one I have is only running with 2.4.18 |
| 18:17.25 | vanguard | And i failed compile it to 2.4.20 |
| 18:17.27 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: google? |
| 18:17.39 | vanguard | No, google doesnt help. |
| 18:17.45 | sgeigerbot | vanguard: also, have you tried using grep to look through the kernel sources? |
| 18:18.10 | vanguard | sgeigerbot: There is only a wrapper-driver. |
| 18:18.28 | c5 | vanguard: Symbol for parameter debug not found. Incorrect Parameters. what shall i have as Command argument |
| 18:18.33 | vanguard | And I cannot compile it. Compilation crashes. |
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| 18:18.43 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 18:18.50 | Web52|Doochy | cant any help |
| 18:18.50 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
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| 18:19.49 | iscsi | Web52|Doochy: possible |
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| 18:19.57 | vanguard | c5: Try modinfo -p modulname |
| 18:20.00 | Web52|Doochy | Hi i did install oidentd and psybnc i did get psybnc to support oidentd.. But when i start the psybnc and when the users get connected they all have the same vhost |
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| 18:20.10 | paulswm | eeyore-: yes, it's odd. I bought 4x40GB drives nearly two years ago, and two of them died after 18 months within a month of each other. I then added 4x80GB drives, and one has just died. They're well spaced in my case (Antec plus1080amg), and the case temp is constant at 80F/27C |
| 18:20.22 | eeyore- | hmm, good advice: "I'm not sure [whether] it's POSSIBLE to kill Lantana. If you plant it, it will groooooooow." (Butterfly Gardening for Ninnies) |
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| 18:20.45 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: yes, mplayer plays DVDs on my machine. |
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| 18:20.55 | spo0nman | paulswm: iv noticed if you run your box 24x7 most disks fry out in a year or two |
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| 18:21.12 | joseph | How can i get sarge to create ext3 file systems instead of ext2? |
| 18:21.18 | joseph | on install |
| 18:21.19 | eeyore- | paulswm: but are the drives hot to the touch? |
| 18:21.22 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: also, you might want to try using xine to play DVDs. In my experience, this is nicer anyway... |
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| 18:21.37 | eeyore- | paulswm: have you checked your 5/12 volt lines? |
| 18:21.40 | grew | joseph: just upgrade after you install |
| 18:21.42 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: xine lets you use the dvd menu system |
| 18:22.10 | paulswm | spo0nman: yes, that must be the case, I'm using my system a lot more than I used to, prolly have it up and running on average at least 10 hrs/day |
| 18:22.12 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: is there a .deb pkg to Xine ? |
| 18:22.27 | vanguard | joseph: tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 |
| 18:22.37 | spo0nman | paulswm: a disk must be able to endure 10 hrs a day |
| 18:22.40 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: apt-get install xine-ui |
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| 18:23.01 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: for woody ? |
| 18:23.02 | sgeigerbot | CodeWarrior_: apt-get xine-lib |
| 18:23.04 | sgeigerbot | ~xine |
| 18:23.06 | sgeigerbot | !xine |
| 18:23.06 | dpkg | somebody said xine was a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. |
| 18:23.30 | grew | lol typos in dpkg |
| 18:23.46 | paulswm | eeyore-: no, they're not hot, my voltages are fine, the first one happened in an Enlight case with a different power supply. |
| 18:23.56 | LoneTech | the "complete" thingy is no longer necessary, is it? vanilla xine has a working dvd plugin with menu support that can link to libdvdcss at runtime. |
| 18:24.07 | joseph | ok thanks. |
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| 18:24.13 | RelDrgn | well, it is the sound driver form, but you have to set it from null to whatever you use ;) |
| 18:24.42 | grew | RelDrgn: either way, its incorrect :D |
| 18:24.43 | paulswm | eeyore-: I live in Central Florida, though, and there are occasional probs with thunderstorms, I've lost two modems over the last three years |
| 18:24.45 | sgeigerbot | LoneTech: no idea |
| 18:24.47 | vanguard | joseph: think of changing fstab ! |
| 18:24.58 | LoneTech | gtg |
| 18:25.09 | eeyore- | paulswm: the IBM drives i lost were probably due to heat (and crap design, hence the lawsuit) |
| 18:25.10 | mwilson | LoneTech: You still have to get DeCSS from somewhere. |
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| 18:25.53 | RelDrgn | grew: its harder to explain the "to get sound set the goto" ;) |
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| 18:26.34 | paulswm | spo0nman: I think the 80G which I lost in two weeks was faulty from the start. It rattled like a Model T from the get-go, but the diags said it was fine, then I got the dreaded death-watch "click-click... click-click", got everything off it and the diags said it was dead |
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| 18:27.02 | paulswm | eeyore-: IBM = It's Being Mended |
| 18:27.15 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM! |
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| 18:29.21 | paulswm | I'm not very good at Arabic (or Arabic spelling), but someone told me that IBM = Inch'Allah Bukrah Maleesh = God willing, maybe tomorrow |
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| 18:29.35 | debian | Anyone else got kernel oops with 2.4.23? |
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| 18:30.19 | nixhed | can someone point me to a howto do alsa on unstable? |
| 18:30.23 | Web52|Doochy | Hi i did install oidentd and psybnc i did get psybnc to support oidentd.. But when i start the psybnc and when the users get connected they all have the same vhost |
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| 18:31.00 | mwilson | Why do cluebies think anyone cares about their BNC's? |
| 18:31.36 | eeyore- | BNC? |
| 18:32.01 | sgeigerbot | What's psybnc? |
| 18:32.16 | ljlane | eeyore-: IRC bouncer, sort of a proxy thing |
| 18:32.17 | grew | mwilson: in many cases a bnc is necessary to get on many irc servers |
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| 18:32.27 | grew | mwilson: for example, if your network blocks ident requests |
| 18:32.31 | eeyore- | ljlane: ah, thank you |
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| 18:32.36 | mwilson | grew: So what. |
| 18:32.45 | fishy | mwilson: I care about my BNC :) |
| 18:32.52 | eeyore- | so just run fake identd already |
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| 18:33.09 | spo0nman | wasnt bnc a sort of network cable |
| 18:33.16 | eeyore- | spo0nman: that, too |
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| 18:33.24 | fishy | Web52|Doochy, just use Fakeidentd |
| 18:33.27 | eeyore- | spo0nman: bayonette something something |
| 18:33.40 | grew | eeyore-: you cant run fake identd in a NAT environment |
| 18:33.49 | grew | network connector? |
| 18:33.55 | hippie | It's like listening to someone talk about how drunk they were, or how much sleep they haven't had, or something cute their cat has done. |
| 18:33.58 | fishy | grew: yes you can |
| 18:34.09 | paulswm | grew: I've got identd service shut down, but I can still get on here despite the "No identd (auth) response", or perhaps I'm missing something, never was much good at network stuff |
| 18:34.24 | grew | fishy: uhm, if port 53 incomming isnt forwarded to your box, you arent going to get ident requests to that machine |
| 18:34.39 | mwilson | grew: Too bad, so sad, see how much I care. |
| 18:34.40 | grew | paulswm: the server you are connecting to allows connections without ident, not all do |
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| 18:34.48 | debian | hippie: you must have a miserable real life. :) |
| 18:34.51 | mwilson | grew: I can't? Since when? |
| 18:35.02 | fishy | grew: I mean with port fowarding |
| 18:35.10 | sgeigerbot | grew: well, most people have pat devices...so thhe's probably confusing the two... it would work with pat. |
| 18:35.11 | hippie | debian: I cannot disagree. |
| 18:35.14 | paulswm | grew: thanks for the enlightenment, I am a 30-year programmer but a network dimwit |
| 18:35.15 | lunarknight | Hi.. I'm using radeon 7000, my XFree86.0.log says [dri] PCI cards not yet supported.. but before I used a different distro before debian and it supported dri with my graphics card. What do I need to upgrade/install? plz help.. i'm suffering from slow graphics ^_^... |
| 18:35.22 | grew | mwilson: i never said you cant do anything..... |
| 18:35.22 | debian | hippie: hey j/k |
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| 18:35.35 | mwilson | [10:33] <grew> eeyore-: you cant run fake identd in a NAT environment |
| 18:35.41 | grew | mwilson: if you do not admin the nat box, you cant exactly install an identd on it now can you? |
| 18:35.43 | mwilson | grew: You didn't, huh? |
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| 18:35.55 | grew | mwilson: note fake |
| 18:35.57 | mwilson | Ahh! Now the qualifiers come. |
| 18:36.01 | fishy | paulswm: the ~infront of a hostmask means there is no Ident |
| 18:36.08 | CodeWarrior_ | sgeigerbot: friend, I'll try to compile it from source. thanks... bye bye |
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| 18:36.19 | mwilson | Shove that foot in a little deeper, why don't you? |
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| 18:36.42 | paulswm | fishy: thanx, I'm learning something today. I'll try turning identd on and see what happens, later |
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| 18:36.56 | fishy | nah |
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| 18:37.04 | fishy | don't bother |
| 18:37.04 | Aphrum | I am in gnome 2.4 and i am trying to set my preferred applications but only my preferred text editor gets set. my web broswer. and email client never get set |
| 18:37.20 | paulswm | fishy: but can't I then get hammered by identd requests? |
| 18:37.25 | grew | mwilson: i should have added the word *always* in that statement, but then again it wasnt directed at you, and since you 'dont care' im not exctly sure why you are responding |
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| 18:37.32 | g0th | hi |
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| 18:37.44 | debian | grew: you must be new here. :) |
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| 18:37.47 | g0th | I had a crash and can't get my system to boot now :( |
| 18:37.59 | fishy | paulswm: mainly just FTP and IRC sites check ident |
| 18:38.00 | sgeigerbot | debian: He's been drooling in here for some time now |
| 18:38.00 | paulswm | debian: rotfl, hahaha |
| 18:38.08 | aw | g0th: need to be more specific. |
| 18:38.10 | grew | debian: no definately not |
| 18:38.12 | grew | lol sgeigerbot |
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| 18:38.15 | g0th | I tried the rescue disk, i.e. rescue root=/dev/hda4 but it din't find anything |
| 18:38.18 | debian | :D |
| 18:38.20 | Aphrum | I am in gnome 2.4 and i am trying to set my preferred applications but only my preferred text editor gets set. my web broswer. and email client never get set, anyone know what to do? |
| 18:38.20 | paulswm | fishy: just wondering about possible DOS attacks, is all |
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| 18:38.29 | eeyore- | grew: the whole point of fake identd is to *fake* it |
| 18:38.30 | g0th | then I tried to mount hda4 but it didn't work! :( |
| 18:38.35 | g0th | can anyone help me? |
| 18:38.41 | g0th | the messages were: |
| 18:39.06 | g0th | mount: Mounting /dev/hda4 on /target failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:39.10 | grew | eeyore-: true, the point i was trying to make was that in cases where you do not have controll if the firewall/nat box between you and the internet, a bnc can be necessary |
| 18:39.15 | grew | s/necessary/useful |
| 18:39.16 | g0th | mount: Mounting /dev/hda4 on /target failed: No such device |
| 18:39.23 | debian | g0th: waht command did you type? |
| 18:39.36 | g0th | mount -t auto/ext2/ext3 /dev/hda4 /target |
| 18:39.47 | debian | whoa |
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| 18:39.52 | g0th | the disk shows fine with fdisk |
| 18:39.59 | chris | I have installed the latest version of debian and having problems with FTP cleint that is installed by default. I can connect to other hosts but if I try say an ls, it get |
| 18:40.02 | chris | 9a – 6p |
| 18:40.10 | sambatron | hello, how do I debian use scsi emulation for recording cds ? |
| 18:40.11 | chris | n error |
| 18:40.15 | eeyore- | g0th: *exactly* like that? -t auto/ext2/ext3 ? |
| 18:40.16 | g0th | could it be an issue that the disk is 80gb? |
| 18:40.16 | vanguard | g0th: You must give moint a mountpointg. |
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| 18:40.19 | sgeigerbot | g0th: mount -t auto <device> <target> |
| 18:40.22 | g0th | no ;) |
| 18:40.26 | g0th | -t ext2 |
| 18:40.28 | dasunt | Is Apache::ASP capable of running most Microsoft ASP scripts, or is it just for perl? |
| 18:40.28 | g0th | -t ext3 |
| 18:40.30 | g0th | -t auto |
| 18:40.33 | paulswm | sambatron: read the CD Writing howto |
| 18:40.34 | vanguard | i.e. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk1/ |
| 18:40.48 | eeyore- | g0th: okay, so why is it not working? what's the complaint from mount? |
| 18:40.52 | sambatron | paulswm : I know how to write |
| 18:40.57 | g0th | I did that |
| 18:41.02 | sambatron | paulswm : I just need the lilo options |
| 18:41.04 | felipe | How my common user can acess my partition windows? |
| 18:41.12 | g0th | mount: Mounting /dev/hda4 on /target failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:41.14 | vanguard | Knoppix mounts all not writable. |
| 18:41.20 | vanguard | Check this. |
| 18:41.22 | debian | sambatron: you don't need scsi emulation for cd recording |
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| 18:41.40 | sambatron | realy ? cdrecord says I do |
| 18:41.45 | debian | sambatron: you don't |
| 18:41.50 | eeyore- | g0th: really. fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda4 ? show me? |
| 18:41.52 | vanguard | And if so, make some writable directories and mount them rw to this directory. |
| 18:41.52 | debian | sambatron: what version? |
| 18:41.57 | sambatron | woody |
| 18:42.03 | felipe | mount> only root can do that |
| 18:42.07 | debian | sambatron: oh...cdrecord -v? |
| 18:42.15 | vanguard | I do so this way, and it works. Be carefull. |
| 18:42.17 | g0th | it's shown |
| 18:42.20 | sgeigerbot | felipe: mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 ...and make sure the user is in the right group |
| 18:42.21 | paulswm | sambatron: hd?=ide-scsi in your append, where ? is your devide, if you've set up your module config OK that'll do the trick |
| 18:42.28 | g0th | do I have to type it? |
| 18:42.32 | McCabe | is there an easier way to do addition (and similar) in bash than "TOTALSIZE=`echo "$TOTALSIZE + $FILESIZE + 512" | bc -i -q`" ? |
| 18:42.33 | debian | sambatron: sorry cdrecord -version |
| 18:42.37 | sambatron | debian: 1.10 |
| 18:42.40 | grew | dasunt: to run it you must have a mod_perl enabled apache, and be careful i wouldnt trust that thing as far as i could throw the server running it |
| 18:42.43 | paulswm | sambatron: I think that's in the CD Writing howto |
| 18:42.44 | aw | felipe: you need to add an entry to /etc/fstab so that your users can mount it. |
| 18:42.49 | eeyore- | spo0nman: Bayonet Neil Concelman |
| 18:42.58 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.14 | sambatron | could you give me a hint, I'm in a hurry |
| 18:43.15 | eeyore- | spo0nman: or "British Naval Connector", or "Bayonet Nut Connector" |
| 18:43.16 | sambatron | ? |
| 18:43.19 | debian | sambatron: mine is Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 in sid, and I don't need scsi emulation |
| 18:43.19 | felipe | In Root i enter: mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win |
| 18:43.20 | chris | does anyone have any problems with the ftp clinet on woody 3.0r2? |
| 18:43.28 | hippie | eeyore-: Blue Nipple Cover |
| 18:43.31 | sgeigerbot | chris: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 18:43.39 | sambatron | there is a lilo option to make the kernel use scsi emulation |
| 18:43.53 | sambatron | but I don't know where to find it |
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| 18:43.57 | g0th | so can anyone tell me what this error message means? |
| 18:44.11 | eeyore- | McCabe: do it in bash itself |
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| 18:44.25 | Korn | hey i have a really Simple Question let's say i want to put an Aterm theme for example aterm -txttype and -bg black -fg yellow And to open the theme i just want to put in the terminal korn and it will open with the terminal with my colors anyone know how to do it? |
| 18:44.33 | dasunt | grew: Thank you. |
| 18:44.37 | McCabe | eeyore-: yeah, but i cant get it to work, do you have a simple sample? |
| 18:44.50 | paulswm | g0th: "/dev/hda4 * 790 3429 21205800 83 Linux" is an error message? |
| 18:44.57 | grew | dasunt: see www.apache-asp.org, or PLEASE DONT RUN IT |
| 18:44.58 | grew | hehe |
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| 18:45.02 | eeyore- | McCabe: typeset -i a; typeset -i b; let a=100; let b=$a+200; echo $b |
| 18:45.03 | g0th | no, the fdisk output |
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| 18:45.14 | McCabe | eeyore-: ahh.. thanks ! :) |
| 18:45.16 | dasunt | grew: I'm googling, and I'm not finding a few sites/recent usenet posts that say its not cross-scriptable. |
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| 18:45.34 | chris | i installed woody 3.0r2 and when I try to use the default tp cleint, I can connect to remote host but un able to put files or ls. It throws back 200 PORT: Command successful 425 Can't open data connection. |
| 18:45.36 | vanguard | paulswm: seem to be the size, cluster and filetype (83 at the end) |
| 18:45.41 | dasunt | grew Thank you again. |
| 18:45.45 | g0th | eeyore-: you wanted to see the output |
| 18:45.46 | Korn | hey i have a really Simple Question let's say i want to put an Aterm theme for example aterm -txttype and -bg black -fg yellow And to open the theme i just want to put in the terminal korn and it will open with the terminal with my colors anyone know how to do it? |
| 18:45.51 | g0th | there it was |
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| 18:46.05 | eeyore- | paulswm: oh yeah, hang on |
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| 18:46.10 | paulswm | vanguard: oh |
| 18:46.19 | vanguard | oh ? |
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| 18:46.31 | mwilson | chris: You're behind a NAT. |
| 18:46.39 | sgeigerbot | !google bnc |
| 18:46.47 | paulswm | vanguard: just acking your explanation of the message |
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| 18:46.55 | vanguard | :))) |
| 18:46.58 | chris | well,I am using the box for nat, but it has a public ip |
| 18:47.01 | sgeigerbot | knoppix: hi! |
| 18:47.03 | vanguard | Was just an idea... |
| 18:47.08 | eeyore- | g0th: odd. invalid argument. hmm. what type of partition is it? |
| 18:47.12 | mwilson | Korn: You don't. Aterm doesn't do "themes". |
| 18:47.18 | g0th | ext3 |
| 18:47.19 | eeyore- | g0th: i mean, what kind of *partition table* is it? |
| 18:47.22 | mwilson | chris: What does that have to do with it? |
| 18:47.34 | g0th | oeh, normal? |
| 18:47.37 | hippie | g0th: the mountpoint does exist, and it is a directory, right? |
| 18:47.42 | g0th | yes |
| 18:47.46 | eeyore- | g0th: could it be windows dynamic disk? |
| 18:47.52 | paulswm | vanguard: I kind of glazed over, couldn't make sense of it |
| 18:47.53 | g0th | it works with the exact same command line for hda3 |
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| 18:48.26 | vanguard | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.29 | vanguard | 790 |
| 18:48.33 | chris | quit |
| 18:48.42 | vanguard | This coul be the blocks. |
| 18:48.42 | g0th | eeyore-: no |
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| 18:49.05 | g0th | I only have 4 partitions |
| 18:49.16 | vanguard | 3429 cyl, and 21 sectors. |
| 18:49.17 | g0th | one vfat, one swap, 2 ext3 |
| 18:49.17 | eeyore- | g0th: what does "dmesg" say near the end (as it relates to your access of /dev/hda4) |
| 18:49.31 | vanguard | 205800 Byte ? |
| 18:49.40 | g0th | hmm |
| 18:49.42 | vanguard | 83 Filteype (Linux) |
| 18:49.42 | g0th | interesting |
| 18:49.50 | knoppix | ccmsn??? please! |
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| 18:49.54 | g0th | couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features... |
| 18:50.02 | g0th | there it is |
| 18:50.03 | g0th | hmm |
| 18:50.04 | eeyore- | g0th: i see |
| 18:50.09 | g0th | what do I need to get it working? |
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| 18:50.10 | Justin__ | g0th: you did format it right? |
| 18:50.14 | g0th | yes |
| 18:50.18 | Justin__ | in what kernel? |
| 18:50.21 | g0th | I hope it's not lost :(( |
| 18:50.28 | eeyore- | g0th: was that made from 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:50.29 | g0th | it's 20gb, no backup |
| 18:50.30 | paulswm | g0th: tune2fs -l /dev/hda4 |
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| 18:50.33 | g0th | yes |
| 18:50.44 | eeyore- | g0th: i'd try "dumpe2fs" and see the optional features first, just for kick |
| 18:50.49 | g0th | no tune2fs |
| 18:51.00 | g0th | there's no tune2fs on the disc |
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| 18:51.14 | g0th | shall I just get a newer boot disc? |
| 18:51.18 | g0th | like knoppix? |
| 18:52.00 | eeyore- | g0th: is the problem one of not being able to boot? or something worse? because you could simply boot with grub floppy |
| 18:52.00 | paulswm | g0th: sure, you're going to need stuff to diag, like tune2fs, if you have knoppix that sounds like a good idea |
| 18:52.00 | debian | g0th: just curious, what distro are you using right now? |
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| 18:52.20 | debian | g0th: woody or testing? |
| 18:52.44 | vanguard | g0th: Try lnx-bbc, its pretty good. |
| 18:52.44 | eeyore- | g0th: or, are you actually having problems with /dev/hda4 itself (outside of this "rescue" mode you're using) |
| 18:52.48 | g0th | eeyore-: well where do I get this floppy? |
| 18:52.53 | g0th | all I need is a rescue boot |
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| 18:52.59 | g0th | debian sid |
| 18:53.10 | sgeigerbot | g0th: If you are asking whether to have a knoppix CD on hand: YES!!! |
| 18:53.11 | debian | g0th: try parted and check the disk |
| 18:53.20 | vanguard | g0th: lnx-bbc is a rescue-disc. |
| 18:53.26 | eeyore- | g0th: you just need to be able to boot? go get a debian install floppy or something |
| 18:53.27 | razerboy | do debian news come in rss? |
| 18:53.28 | g0th | I gave one away without copying it :( |
| 18:53.31 | g0th | so I download it again |
| 18:53.42 | g0th | eeyore-: I did ;) |
| 18:53.42 | sladegen | are you mounting as root? ... duh stupid question.... |
| 18:53.44 | g0th | it doesn't work |
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| 18:53.56 | Justin__ | g0th: try mounting it as -t ext2 |
| 18:53.57 | g0th | as it doesn't support those "features" |
| 18:54.10 | sladegen | e2fsprogs are required... $PATH ???? |
| 18:54.10 | g0th | it won't work with this (debian 3.0 installation cd) |
| 18:54.11 | eeyore- | Justin__: "unsupported optional features" (probably a 2.6 thing) |
| 18:54.17 | g0th | will it work with knoppix? |
| 18:54.35 | sgeigerbot | g0th: "it"? What is "it"? |
| 18:54.45 | g0th | well a rescue boot |
| 18:54.53 | eeyore- | g0th: before you decide what does/doesn't work, try the following |
| 18:54.54 | g0th | that I can boot my root fs from the cd |
| 18:54.59 | bonjasky | montar floppy? |
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| 18:55.16 | g0th | I tried it using debian 3.0 installation cd |
| 18:55.18 | eeyore- | g0th: put the debian install cd into the drive, boot it. at the boot screen, you have a lilo prompt |
| 18:55.21 | sladegen | head /dev/hda4 | file - |
| 18:55.23 | paulswm | g0th: is /dev/hda4 your root partition? |
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| 18:55.27 | g0th | yes |
| 18:55.32 | sgeigerbot | g0th: you can do chroot once you have booted from the cd |
| 18:55.36 | Justin__ | sladegen: file -s /dev/hda4 |
| 18:55.41 | g0th | I can't mount hda4!! |
| 18:55.49 | buht | has anyone successfully integrated "Radvd" for ipv6 from linux, and gotten windows XP to auto-configure its ipv6 addy from radvd broadcasts? |
| 18:55.51 | eeyore- | g0th: at the lilo prompt, try "rescue root=/dev/" ... oh nevermind then |
| 18:55.55 | g0th | I tried that |
| 18:55.58 | g0th | exactly! |
| 18:56.02 | g0th | that's what I want! |
| 18:56.04 | Justin__ | g0th: why dont you just boot off the drive? |
| 18:56.08 | g0th | rescue root=/dev/hda4 |
| 18:56.17 | g0th | I tried that and it didn't find the root |
| 18:56.20 | eeyore- | g0th: go beg someone for a grub boot floppy :) |
| 18:56.25 | paulswm | g0th: then get knoppic or bbc or something, boot up and then run tune2fs -l /dev/hda4 and see what it says |
| 18:56.25 | Justin__ | g0th: it? |
| 18:56.30 | fatal__ | buht: I'm using radvd.... but I don't have winxp ... |
| 18:56.39 | eeyore- | Justin__: the kernel on debian install cd doesn't like /dev/hda4 |
| 18:56.42 | sgeigerbot | g0th: use knoppix to figure out which is the root partition. This is the sort of thing you should have documented. |
| 18:56.42 | g0th | Justin__: the kernel on the cd |
| 18:56.43 | buht | fatal__ : damn, :) i cant get my XP box to auto-configure itself for ipv6 |
| 18:56.47 | Justin__ | g0th: why dont you just boot off the drive? |
| 18:56.49 | g0th | paulswm: ok |
| 18:56.57 | eeyore- | Justin__: because he has no bootloader capable of doing that |
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| 18:57.01 | g0th | Justin__: "L 99 .... 99" instead of LILO |
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| 18:57.14 | buht | fatal__ : i can manually configure the XP ipv6 addy and ping6 each other but i dont know how to setup the XP routes right, so i wish i could get radvd to work with XP |
| 18:57.16 | eeyore- | Justin__: which leads back to "go get grub boot floppy" |
| 18:57.18 | paulswm | g0th: I know it's a pain, but you need to get an idea of whether the superblock looks OK |
| 18:57.19 | g0th | no, my bootloader is capable |
| 18:57.26 | Justin__ | yeah that would be most simple |
| 18:57.26 | felipe | How I can change Fstab?? |
| 18:57.32 | g0th | atm I'm downloading knoppix |
| 18:57.36 | felipe | can i |
| 18:57.42 | eeyore- | g0th: no, lilo does not count as a "capable" boot loader |
| 18:57.50 | g0th | hey, lilo works |
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| 18:57.55 | g0th | I just can't run it :( |
| 18:57.57 | eeyore- | g0th: does it work *now*? |
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| 18:58.02 | g0th | yeah |
| 18:58.05 | g0th | if I could run it |
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| 18:58.11 | eeyore- | g0th: so it *doesn't work* now |
| 18:58.14 | g0th | it couldn't install itself 100% |
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| 18:58.22 | g0th | the same would happen with grub |
| 18:58.27 | vanguard | felipe: edit it . |
| 18:58.31 | paulswm | eeyore-: lilo's great, you just go wash your mouth out with that homo soap :) |
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| 18:58.34 | g0th | I had a system crash |
| 18:59.00 | g0th | anyway thx |
| 18:59.06 | gordonjcp | eeyore-: lilo *is* a capable boot loader. It loads boot images, and not much more |
| 18:59.07 | g0th | just one thing: |
| 18:59.09 | gordonjcp | ideal really |
| 18:59.11 | felipe | Yes, but how I add my Partition ?? |
| 18:59.12 | sladegen | did lilo work earlier? |
| 18:59.15 | mwilson | hm, I had to get a new key for ProDVD |
| 18:59.18 | paulswm | g0th: come back when you're on knoppix |
| 18:59.18 | g0th | Am I lost if knoppix fails? |
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| 18:59.19 | vanguard | felipe: mount -a |
| 18:59.34 | fatal__ | buht: maybe you'll have to enable autoconfiguration in windows in some way...... maybe you can find something on microsoft.com/ipv6 .. there you have alot of docs .... or you should be able to find a radvd howto with google.... IIRC there is one over at oreilly that tells you how to configure a freebsd router with tunnel + radvd for use with windows clients. |
| 18:59.37 | paulswm | g0th: we'll help you figure it out |
| 18:59.41 | g0th | ETA is 50 minutes |
| 18:59.45 | g0th | ok |
| 18:59.45 | g0th | thx |
| 18:59.47 | g0th | bbl |
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| 19:00.27 | paulswm | gordonjcp: I'm with you on lilo |
| 19:00.32 | dud- | when are the 2.6 debs expected? |
| 19:00.35 | felipe | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win vfat ????? |
| 19:01.15 | Justin__ | !tell felipe about vfatrww |
| 19:01.18 | Justin__ | !tell felipe about vfatrw |
| 19:01.20 | razerboy | any replacement for tar that just sits and waits for the file to grow when it encounters an unexpected eof? |
| 19:01.30 | gordonjcp | paulswm: keep it simple... |
| 19:01.31 | vanguard | felipe: ?????=noauto,ro |
| 19:01.42 | vanguard | felipe: or whatever u want. |
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| 19:02.01 | paulswm | gordonjcp: exactly a nice small booot loader that doesn't need to grok filesystems |
| 19:02.09 | gordonjcp | yup |
| 19:02.22 | lunarknight | Hi.. is there an easy way to get xfree 4.3 ? |
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| 19:02.25 | ElJota1 | What is a good tool to re-partition a hard drive. I have redhat and I want to resize it to install debian in a part of it |
| 19:02.36 | vanguard | lunarknight: Yes ! |
| 19:02.37 | c5 | whats the newest debian verision?. and how do i check what verision i have? |
| 19:02.45 | paulswm | gordonjcp: anyway "lilo"'s a nicer name than "grub", ha ha |
| 19:02.52 | lunarknight | vanguard: how how?~... |
| 19:02.53 | eeyore- | is there a "start bootloader war" in dpkg? |
| 19:03.07 | djw | if there isn't there should..... |
| 19:03.18 | vanguard | lunarknight: hihi, try apt-cache search xfree |
| 19:03.19 | gordonjcp | paulswm: indeed |
| 19:03.19 | alum | Hi all, can anybody tell me what is right syntax of added routing tables in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:03.23 | sladegen | c5: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:03.57 | c5 | 3.0 i have. is ther any newer ones? |
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| 19:03.59 | lunarknight | vanguard: it doesn't so any versions.. just shows.. xfree-common |
| 19:04.02 | vanguard | then install , using apt-get install packagename. |
| 19:04.15 | vanguard | use the -f option. |
| 19:04.17 | Active2 | when i do pkg-config --list-all i don't get gtk2 while gtk+-2.0 is installed and there is also a gtk+-2.0.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig ?? |
| 19:04.31 | eeyore- | OT rambling (again): i noticed yesterday that when i got into my jeep just after a nasty NASTY ut2k3 game in which i got owned (bad!), my driving really really sucked. wonder if it was adrenaline that was doing that for me. i swore i drove it like a bunny. wonder what all that tense gameplay was doing to my body :-) |
| 19:04.44 | eeyore- | well hey, uh. ut2k3 was running on my debian, OK? |
| 19:04.44 | lunarknight | vanguard: -f?... |
| 19:04.53 | fatal__ | alum: hm... usually you use "interfaces" to keep settings for you interfaces... not routing tables.. ;) ... but I guess the proper way to add routes is to use "up ip route add 1.2.3.0/24 dev whatever" on an interface. |
| 19:04.55 | vanguard | Yes, it shows theconmtents. |
| 19:05.07 | Seb_ | hrm, should mirros.kernel.org really be doing stuff like that: "SHELLCODE x86 inc ebx NOOP [Classification: Executable code was detected] [Priority: 1]: {TCP} 204.152.189.120:80 -> myip:6" ? Or is snort confused ? |
| 19:05.08 | sladegen | c5: i think stable woody is 3.0-r2 ... then there is testing and unstable |
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| 19:05.21 | fatal__ | alum: have a look at man interfaces ... |
| 19:05.35 | lunarknight | vanguard: i think there's only 4.1 in my list |
| 19:05.35 | tarzeau | bob2: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg |
| 19:05.57 | eeyore- | Seb_: just a fluke? |
| 19:06.01 | vanguard | lunarknight: Which version are you running ? stable ? |
| 19:06.03 | alum | fatal__: Thanks |
| 19:06.18 | lunarknight | vanguard: no clue.. |
| 19:06.32 | lunarknight | vanguard: just installed yesterday |
| 19:06.47 | vanguard | lunarknight: check your /etc/apt/sources-list |
| 19:06.49 | lunarknight | bye bye windows T_T... |
| 19:06.59 | Seb_ | eeyore-: heh, my internal dictionary doesn't recognize 'fluke' :) What do you mean exactly ? :) |
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| 19:07.00 | lunarknight | can i add more sources? which are some good ones? |
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| 19:07.27 | Seb_ | eeyore-: k, got it. Well maybe, yeah... |
| 19:07.29 | eeyore- | Seb_: i take that back. let me check and cover my ass :-) |
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| 19:07.32 | vanguard | Yes, you can. |
| 19:07.43 | vanguard | Look at debian.org- |
| 19:07.48 | Seb_ | eeyore-: but mirrors.kernel.org sending shellcode sounds like a bad accident, though... :) |
| 19:07.59 | vanguard | lunarknight: there is an explanation. |
| 19:08.06 | vanguard | I am running unstable. |
| 19:08.10 | lunarknight | so basically, i can go to apt-get.. I found some xfree4.3 sources.. and I can just add that to this list... and then i can use it? |
| 19:08.12 | eeyore- | Seb_: yeah, so i'm checking :) |
| 19:08.24 | eeyore- | Seb_: you say it's to port 6 on your machine? |
| 19:08.27 | Seb_ | eeyore-: how/what would you check ? |
| 19:08.29 | Seb_ | eeyore-: yes |
| 19:08.33 | lunarknight | sounds too easy ^_^... *Tries it* |
| 19:08.41 | eeyore- | Seb_: check for signature of any attack of that type |
| 19:08.55 | Seb_ | eeyore-: hrm no, sorry,it' |
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| 19:09.04 | Seb_ | s port 65462 |
| 19:09.35 | vanguard | lunarknight: There must be a binary ! |
| 19:09.46 | qtio | does anyone know what an acceptable or average amount of bad ram is (as found by memtest86), Im trying to decide whether to use the BadRam patch or just to get new ram. |
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| 19:10.04 | lunarknight | I found a xfree 4.3 compiled for woody on apt-get.org.. but how do i know if I'm using woody?.. |
| 19:10.05 | eeyore- | Seb_: oh if it's something like that, could it be just random patterns in the data stream that *just* happens to match the things snort is looking for? that's not far-fetched |
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| 19:10.32 | vanguard | lunarknight: look at the line in sources list. |
| 19:10.38 | Seb_ | eeyore-: indeed. But why would this mirrors.kernel.org attempt to connect to my box, to start with ? I haven't even browsed to kernel.org for like 2 weeks now... |
| 19:10.53 | vanguard | There is either stable, testing or unstable. |
| 19:10.57 | lunarknight | vanguard: it says stable |
| 19:11.09 | Seb_ | eeyore-: the TCP connection itself is actually as surprising to me as the payload it was supposedly carrying |
| 19:11.23 | eeyore- | Seb_: could be spoofed |
| 19:11.31 | lunarknight | vanguard: but i need xfree86 4.3!~ cause i want direct rendering.. and i'm hoping it will fix it so i can get direct rendering... if i upgrade... |
| 19:11.35 | vanguard | lunarknight: You are using stable. Stable has xfree4.3 not included. |
| 19:11.37 | eeyore- | Seb_: or could be real :) (and you're the first to spot an owned box) |
| 19:11.45 | paulswm | someone just posted a request for free movie tickets on debian-user and gave his conf number. I'm beginning to think mwilson's right about some things |
| 19:12.09 | mwilson | And the universe trembles. |
| 19:12.10 | vanguard | lunarknight: You can upgrade to testing or unstable, but warning>: NO DOWNGRADE ! |
| 19:12.11 | paulswm | another AOLer |
| 19:12.14 | hallux | I have a box with 2 interfaces. When I ping the secondary interface, the ping responds with the IP address of the primary interface, hence, the ping looks like it fails. How can I prevent this? |
| 19:12.16 | Seb_ | eeyore-: I thought it was very difficult to spoof IP on public networks... But my technical knowledge about IP spoofing is sorta thin, I have to admit :) |
| 19:12.29 | lunarknight | ok! i will upgrade.. how |
| 19:12.44 | Seb_ | eeyore-: well in any case I'll keep an eye open for footprints of the same kind |
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| 19:12.58 | paulswm | mwilson: you've been quiet, didn't think you'd notice |
| 19:13.17 | mwilson | I saw the message on d-u, shook my head, and moved on |
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| 19:13.23 | vanguard | lunarknight: Change to unstable and/or testing. |
| 19:13.28 | eeyore- | Seb_: i remember a while ago when we were online in #debian here and people were saying how the net was slow and stuff, many people noticed the start of code red worm :-) |
| 19:13.42 | lunarknight | oh.. unstable is more safe then testing right |
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| 19:13.48 | eeyore- | Seb_: so might be good to keep an eye on that snort log of yours |
| 19:13.51 | vanguard | lunarknight: Then do apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:13.52 | mwilson | lunarknight: Since when? |
| 19:13.53 | Seb_ | eeyore-: code red propagates using shellcode ? |
| 19:14.10 | Aphrum | Is there a way to get applications in gnome to start up in a specific workspace? I have tried managed windows, but this doesn't seem to work for *All applications |
| 19:14.13 | lunarknight | vanguard: k ^_^.. i try |
| 19:14.16 | c5 | how do i Read A: in deabian? floppy |
| 19:14.22 | eeyore- | Seb_: no, i was just mentioning that as example of noticing stuff while IRC'ing :) |
| 19:14.26 | Seb_ | eeyore-: but yeah, keeping an eye on snort seems like the reasonable solution |
| 19:14.29 | Seb_ | eeyore-: heh, k |
| 19:14.40 | paulswm | mwilson: what is it with these AOLers and debian-user? Perhaps it's some new address harvesting technique, pretending to be a dumbass |
| 19:14.43 | lunarknight | mwilson: so testing is better than unstable? |
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| 19:15.00 | vanguard | This lunarknight: Tip: In sources-list, make one part with testing, and one with unstable. |
| 19:15.21 | Seb_ | mwilson: do you use snort ? :) |
| 19:15.24 | vanguard | Sop you can get all packeges included in both. |
| 19:15.26 | danilo_ | the squirrelmail webmail can work with exim in debian? |
| 19:15.28 | lunarknight | vanguard: ........ |
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| 19:15.31 | Seb_ | danilo_: yes |
| 19:15.43 | vanguard | And you will get alwas the newest ones. |
| 19:16.00 | danilo_ | Seb_: is enought to make apt-get install squirrelmail? |
| 19:16.02 | eeyore- | Seb_: is it possible something like this? http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/snort/2001-10/0298.html |
| 19:16.08 | lunarknight | vanguard: what about the security updates |
| 19:16.08 | Seb_ | danilo_: read the doc |
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| 19:16.26 | vanguard | lunarknight: This line leave at is. |
| 19:16.34 | vanguard | With the stable. |
| 19:16.56 | Seb_ | eeyore-: well snort doesn't identify queso here, but this looks like the same kind of sh*t... |
| 19:17.15 | sladegen | c5: mount /floppy just might work... but do yourself a favour and invest some time in reading docs.... visit tldp.org too.... |
| 19:17.18 | hallux | I have a box with 2 interfaces. When I ping the secondary interface, the ping responds with the IP address of the primary interface, hence, the ping looks like it fails. How can I prevent this? |
| 19:17.33 | vanguard | lunarknight: shortly away, get some coffee., |
| 19:17.49 | lunarknight | vanguard: so i changed the stable to unstable for the first three lines.. now duplicate them.. and change unstable to testing? so i have 6 lines now? |
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| 19:18.44 | vanguard | lunarknight: Thats o.k. |
| 19:18.52 | vanguard | I have 8 ! |
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| 19:18.56 | lunarknight | heh |
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| 19:19.03 | logged | How do I make an iso file from a CD ? |
| 19:19.23 | vanguard | Yes, 2 for normal (binary and source) testing |
| 19:19.23 | debian_user | with what command can i edit a text file with an text editor? |
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| 19:19.33 | debian_user | i will edit sources.list |
| 19:19.39 | vanguard | Yes, 2 for non-us (binary and source) unstable |
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| 19:19.56 | vanguard | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.57 | lunarknight | debian_user i use nano to edit text stuff |
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| 19:20.09 | atari | hi |
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| 19:20.24 | lunarknight | vanguard: can i message you my list? |
| 19:20.25 | vanguard | makes 8. |
| 19:20.28 | debian_user | and then? can i use commands with nano? |
| 19:20.34 | paulswm | debian_user: vi, but you may find it a bit hard to learn, if you have gvim it's easier |
| 19:20.42 | vanguard | Yes, please. |
| 19:20.53 | atari | does anyone know how to fix the "login disabled" thing in uw-imapd? c-client.cf doesnt work |
| 19:21.03 | sladegen | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myiso.iso ... perheps if its data cd... not music |
| 19:21.12 | debian_user | i have try vi, but dont know how i edit text parts |
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| 19:21.21 | sladegen | :help |
| 19:21.23 | ElJota1 | I am trying to resize a partition of 20 Gb currently in use with redhat linux in two parts to install debian in one of them. I've tried with cfdisk (reading the man page and playing around with it) but I cannot figure out how to do it. Is there another tool? |
| 19:21.31 | debian_user | is gvim a command paulswm??? |
| 19:21.32 | logged | sladegen: does not work |
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| 19:22.04 | sladegen | logged: be root.... have /dev/cdrom point to your cdrom |
| 19:22.17 | debian_user | paulswm? |
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| 19:22.29 | sladegen | or be in cdrom/appropriate group |
| 19:22.32 | paulswm | debian_user: in X, yes. if you wanted to edit the file "test", the command would be "gvim test". You need to have gvim installed of course |
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| 19:23.23 | qtio | Has anyone used Memtest86? Im trying to find out what an acceptable amount of errors is. |
| 19:23.29 | abli | ElJota1: I would try parted |
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| 19:23.38 | Gathond | qtio: 0 |
| 19:23.45 | sladegen | qtio: no errors... thats acceptable |
| 19:23.59 | Gathond | qtio: errors with the main memory is never acceptable |
| 19:24.05 | ElJota1 | abli: thanks, I'll look into it |
| 19:24.20 | qtio | Gathond what about for use with the BadRam patch? |
| 19:24.56 | paulswm | debian_user: vi and gvim are not the easiest editors to learn. if you are in a hurry, maybe lunarknight's suggestion of nano is better |
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| 19:25.12 | sladegen | qtio: might trick the sticks... where is it btw? |
| 19:25.24 | buht | is there an ipv6 apache for debian? or do i need to compile the source? |
| 19:25.25 | uws | qtio: no errors :) |
| 19:25.31 | ercin | where can i find the source of kernel build for binary cd ? |
| 19:25.31 | paulswm | debian_user: actually, gvim is just a graphical interface to vi, but it's easier than vi to learn |
| 19:25.42 | sladegen | never heard of it interesting concept |
| 19:25.44 | uws | qtio: I bought memory a couple of months ago but I had to go back to the shop twice because it was broken |
| 19:25.49 | qtio | slagden - all i know is that there is at least a 5mb shunk around 319mb thats bad |
| 19:25.50 | paulswm | s/interface/version/ |
| 19:26.11 | qtio | s/shunk/chunk |
| 19:26.14 | elephantman | What kind of right a file must have to be overwritten ? |
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| 19:26.41 | elephantman | Maybe the response is in the question |
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| 19:26.50 | Shay | !sarge pool |
| 19:26.51 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 19:26.52 | sladegen | qtio: well any error is deadly... but if there is smth like badblocks for RAM.... that would be v nice |
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| 19:27.19 | buht | :) |
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| 19:27.36 | qtio | sladegen there is http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 19:27.36 | debian_user | ok thx paul |
| 19:28.22 | paulswm | debian_user: np, good luck. gvim/vi is worth the investment of time to learn. A very powerful editor, if somewhat arcane |
| 19:28.35 | debian_user | paulswn: couldn't find package gvim |
| 19:29.24 | buht | whats the arguments for apt-cache again to see a version of an installed package again ? |
| 19:29.26 | sladegen | uhm... look real... those linuxers are really nuts... poor sods to resort to such tricks 8-)) |
| 19:29.28 | elephantman | vim is easy if you do simple things |
| 19:29.50 | elephantman | I do 90% of the job with 5 cds |
| 19:30.27 | paulswm | debian_user: apt-get install vim-gtk |
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| 19:30.45 | abli | buht: aren't you looking for "dpkg -l packagename" ? |
| 19:31.03 | lunarknight | what is woody? |
| 19:31.05 | buht | abli : thanks ! |
| 19:31.17 | paulswm | lunarknight: stable distro |
| 19:31.23 | lunarknight | ok thanks |
| 19:31.25 | buht | trying to get apache + ipv6 stuff. dont see any in apt-cache for stable |
| 19:31.40 | paulswm | lunarknight: woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable |
| 19:32.48 | abli | I'm looking for a small editor which has emacs keybindings. (I use emacs, but I would need something small for quick edits when I don't want to wait till emacs starts up). What would you folks recommend? |
| 19:33.08 | paulswm | lunarknight: the advantages of using the woody/sarge/sid aliases in your sources: if you use sarge, for instance, then when it moves to stable and sid = testing, you'll stay with sarge and won't suddenly find yourself accidentally upgrading |
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| 19:35.15 | sladegen | abli: jed |
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| 19:36.04 | uws | debian_user: vim-gtk |
| 19:36.05 | lare | is it normal that when my debian box is almost idle, the memory usage is all the time over 95 %? |
| 19:36.18 | qtio | how much memory do you have |
| 19:36.32 | uws | lare: It's normal |
| 19:36.35 | debian_user | and then? vim-gtk unknown command |
| 19:36.40 | uws | debian_user: run gvim |
| 19:36.42 | debian_user | i have installed vim-gtk |
| 19:36.45 | debian_user | ah ok |
| 19:36.47 | lare | the one which has most has 504mb |
| 19:36.49 | abli | sladegen: thanks |
| 19:36.50 | uws | debian_user: The package vim-gtk provides /usr/bin/gvim |
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| 19:37.07 | debian_user | oh nice |
| 19:37.08 | debian_user | thx |
| 19:37.11 | uws | lare: Memory is not freed until it's needed again |
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| 19:37.31 | Xenocide | lare: the thing to remember is that RAM is either used or worthless |
| 19:37.38 | Xenocide | lare: unused ram is worthless |
| 19:37.54 | lare | doesn't it slow the memory handling, when it has to bee freed before it can be used? |
| 19:38.14 | Xenocide | lare: freeing the ram is a single bit write, that would happen anyways |
| 19:38.38 | Xenocide | lare: the extra RAM is used for caching files in RAM usually. makes a HUGE difference |
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| 19:38.52 | paulswm | debian_user: that's nicer than vi, n'est-ce pas? |
| 19:39.26 | sladegen | lare: and keep in mind that linux has optimistic mem allocation strategy... it might as well fill all your swap... and only then start killing off random processes |
| 19:39.46 | lare | How can I see the prosesses that are reserving the memory. top does not show all |
| 19:39.54 | lare | or files |
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| 19:40.06 | qtio | lare top then M to sort by memory usage |
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| 19:40.10 | vanguard | lare: ps -a |
| 19:40.32 | sladegen | memstat |
| 19:40.53 | paulswm | lare: if you're running gnome, you could also install gnome-system-monitor |
| 19:40.58 | Xenocide | lare: if you're interested in getting detailed information on your running processes, you might check the manual for "ps" |
| 19:41.04 | arturaz_ | is there some web sites with debian specific guides? like these one on gentoo.org |
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| 19:41.21 | paulswm | arturaz_: debian.org |
| 19:41.24 | sladegen | debian.org.... OMG |
| 19:41.30 | paulswm | lol |
| 19:41.41 | Xenocide | arturaz_: well I dont know of anything that detailed, but they don't need it. just look for the installation guide on debian.org under documentation |
| 19:41.54 | Xenocide | in the language that best suits you |
| 19:42.05 | uws | lare: ps aux |
| 19:42.09 | lare | when i type top and use m to sort by memory usage the sum of all prosesses memory usage is under 20% |
| 19:42.23 | Justin__ | !tell lare about free ram |
| 19:42.24 | ryuujin | I have a C-media 82801EB AC'97 audio card and i want to know which drivers i should use.. Can anyone tell me that? |
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| 19:42.37 | can-o-worms | can anybody suggest a good backup utility, i have 2 identical disks and i would like to have it so that if the main disk dies you can just change over the cable and reboot |
| 19:43.05 | gordonjcp | rsync |
| 19:43.08 | Xenocide | lare: seriously give up top. its only the top processes. ps lists them ALL |
| 19:43.13 | arturaz_ | Xenocide, there is no vmail howto :)) |
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| 19:43.40 | Xenocide | artuaraz: did you check in /usr/share/doc? |
| 19:44.01 | Xenocide | most packages make a directory there with usage, installation and configuration guides |
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| 19:44.29 | vanguard | ryuujin: There is a commercial driver. |
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| 19:44.34 | sladegen | lare: try free.... cached is kinda "free" memory and then there is secretive shared memory too ;) |
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| 19:44.46 | ryuujin | vanguard: where and what's it caled? |
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| 19:45.12 | vanguard | AC97 runs with alsa. But if you want to use it as modem, you must have hsfmodem installed. |
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| 19:45.46 | vanguard | Oh, I got it fom www.tuxmobil.org |
| 19:46.09 | vanguard | There was a link under my notebook (TM420) |
| 19:46.18 | Biff | hi, i'm having a problem with fluxbox starting it from gdm: the fonts in certain programs, like menus in mozilla and gnome-terminal are way different then what they are if i just start fluxbox with startx, is it possible to change this behaviour? |
| 19:46.23 | can-o-worms | gordonjcp: do use rsync? |
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| 19:46.40 | ryuujin | vanguard: i just installed alsa from apt but alsaplayer isn't starting :( |
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| 19:47.10 | vanguard | ryuujin: Don t know alsaplayer, but I canb send hsfmodem to you. |
| 19:47.27 | gordonjcp | can-o-worms: yes |
| 19:47.32 | gordonjcp | it has a very good man page |
| 19:47.41 | atrus | any suggestions on ~$80-100 digital cameras that work well with debian/linux? |
| 19:47.46 | ryuujin | vanguard: would be glad |
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| 19:48.07 | vanguard | Give me your E-mail- |
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| 19:48.50 | paulswm | can-o-worms: there are other tools as well, like mirrordir, but rsync is the best and the more "standard" |
| 19:48.54 | vanguard | ryuujin: Hope, I find it quick. |
| 19:49.28 | ryuujin | vanguard: okay.. my email is in a notice to you.. |
| 19:49.31 | can-o-worms | paulswm: do you know the name of that norton ghost like program? |
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| 19:50.17 | paulswm | can-o-worms: you can use dd to copy te entire disk, but that is very slow, you should use a utility that just copies/deletes what's changed |
| 19:50.37 | vanguard | ryuujin: Got it ! |
| 19:50.58 | can-o-worms | paulswm: i want to set up the second disk so with all the same partitions and have it so it will boot too |
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| 19:51.13 | can-o-worms | paulswm: surely rsync won't do that for me? |
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| 19:51.16 | paulswm | can-o-worms: you could use dd to do the first copy, then use rsync to keep it synced |
| 19:51.28 | RainbowW | I want to mount some stuff on boot, but I need to insmod a promise ide controller AFTER root and hdb mount. Where to insert the commands, and how to structure /etc/fstab if at all? |
| 19:51.33 | can-o-worms | paulswm: ok... that sounds cool |
| 19:51.40 | ryuujin | vanguard: the weird part is that my computer knows the audio card(check #flood, i'll show you something)... |
| 19:52.22 | hallux | Why would a machine have an entry in it's routing tables which points to it's ip address/32? |
| 19:52.22 | can-o-worms | paulswm: will dd actually copy over all the partitions as well? |
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| 19:52.48 | Justin__ | hallux: why shouldn't it? |
| 19:53.03 | paulswm | can-o-worms: read the dd man page, there may also be an info file. dd does a sector-by-sector copy |
| 19:53.09 | hallux | Justin__: because it is a connected interface |
| 19:53.19 | can-o-worms | paulswm: there is a norton ghost like utility for linux though... just can't remember what it is called |
| 19:53.27 | Justin__ | hallux: which means what? |
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| 19:53.45 | ryuujin | vanguard: would you join #flood so i can show you something? |
| 19:53.49 | ricky_clarkson2 | !seen thomas_adam |
| 19:53.50 | dpkg | thomas_adam <~n6tadam@host217-43-99-189.range217-43.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 16h 28m 46s ago, saying: 'bbiab, this place is full of.....'. |
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| 19:54.22 | ricky_clarkson2 | My CD ROM drive has ceased to work. dmesg reports an IO error when trying to init /dev/hdc or something. |
| 19:54.31 | ricky_clarkson2 | The drive itself spins up when a CD is put in. |
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| 19:54.32 | paulswm | can-o-worms: you might be thinking of mondo. Anyway I use dd to back up my XP partition |
| 19:54.43 | ricky_clarkson2 | I cannot read from it or eject it. Any ideas? |
| 19:54.48 | vanguard | ryuujin: Klick me privat 1 |
| 19:55.19 | can-o-worms | paulswm: not mondo... i'll ask around |
| 19:55.33 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: replace it? |
| 19:55.42 | qtio | is sdram 168 pin ram known as anything else? im not finding it on pricewatch... is it really old? |
| 19:55.52 | ricky_clarkson2 | paulswm, you think it is the hardware? |
| 19:56.04 | oneifreak | ricky_clarkson2: power down and check the wires. |
| 19:56.14 | ricky_clarkson2 | oneifreak, Laptop, I'd rather not open it. |
| 19:56.21 | oneifreak | ricky_clarkson2: ah |
| 19:56.23 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: I don't know, I assume it worked before, and now it's not working, seems like hardware is a good guess |
| 19:56.33 | ricky_clarkson2 | It worked before, yes. |
| 19:56.51 | ricky_clarkson2 | Does the Debian rescue floppy come with a CD-ROM driver? |
| 19:57.04 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: do you ahev another OS on your puter or another puter you can put the drive in to test it? |
| 19:57.10 | paulswm | s/ahev/have/ |
| 19:57.14 | ricky_clarkson2 | I want to make sure it isn't my installation/kernel before attacking it with a screwdriver. |
| 19:57.29 | ricky_clarkson2 | paulswm, I don't have another OS, and installing one would be a real PITA because of my partitioning. |
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| 19:57.38 | hallux | How can I force my box to set it's source address to the interface on which it recieved the query, and not the one which it is going out on? |
| 19:57.42 | ricky_clarkson2 | Moving the drive would be somewhat worse because it's a laptop. |
| 19:57.55 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: can you boot from it, try booting a knoppix cd or something |
| 19:58.05 | ricky_clarkson2 | paulswm, I haven't got a knoppix CD. |
| 19:58.18 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: you have no bootable CDs? |
| 19:58.19 | ricky_clarkson2 | paulswm, I could try to get one, but I'm currently in a bad place to get software. |
| 19:58.45 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: anything, XP even |
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| 19:59.17 | lare | When I ps -aux and sum all memory usages I get 84,7 percent. And the memory usage is 91,08 percent. Where will the rest of the memory go? |
| 19:59.21 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: just assuming that if it'll boot, then it's not the hardware, and if it won't boot then it is |
| 19:59.25 | ricky_clarkson2 | paulswm, Yeah, I could probably find a Win98 around. |
| 19:59.32 | ricky_clarkson2 | Thanks for the ideas. |
| 19:59.45 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: be sure to wear gloves when handling it :) |
| 20:00.02 | ricky_clarkson2 | Now for my next problem, I tried dialling up to the Internet for the first time recently. |
| 20:00.13 | paulswm | roh-roh |
| 20:00.15 | ricky_clarkson2 | I normally use Ethernet at work, but I'm unemployed atm. |
| 20:00.16 | Justin__ | !tell lare about free ram |
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| 20:00.32 | ricky_clarkson2 | wvdial says that I need to configure setserial. |
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| 20:00.40 | hallux | What does rp_filter do? |
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| 20:00.45 | ashka | hi ! |
| 20:00.51 | ricky_clarkson2 | Setserial doesn't tell me how to configure it, but it seems to think /dev/ttyS0 is the modem, and identifies it. |
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| 20:01.01 | Invisible_Optik | Is it easy to do a dual boot with Debian? Just do windows first and then Debian second? |
| 20:01.03 | ricky_clarkson2 | Programs just say that the modem is not responding. |
| 20:01.07 | ricky_clarkson2 | Any ideas? |
| 20:01.20 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson2: I use ppp, it's easier, use pppconfig to set up your connection |
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| 20:02.01 | ashka | please i have a question about apt-get and how ti know debian version : stable / unstable |
| 20:02.10 | paulswm | Invisible_Optik: yes, it's easy to set up, there are several dual booting howtos at the Linux Documentation Project website |
| 20:02.50 | paulswm | ashka: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:03.14 | can-o-worms | paulswm: partimage |
| 20:03.26 | paulswm | can-o-worms: aaaah |
| 20:03.26 | ashka | 3.0 ok thanks paul |
| 20:03.38 | can-o-worms | paulswm: have you ever used that? |
| 20:03.46 | paulswm | ashka: no problem :) |
| 20:03.49 | ashka | and to know if i am stable or unstable ? |
| 20:03.50 | paulswm | can-o-worms: no |
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| 20:04.01 | paulswm | ashka: 3.0 is stable |
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| 20:04.28 | paulswm | ashka: otherwise it would say "testing/unstable" |
| 20:04.29 | ashka | ok i will change sources.list to get sid |
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| 20:05.00 | oskie | hello.. |
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| 20:05.11 | paulswm | ashka: just so long as you remember that unstable means "unstable" and that it is very hard to downgrade if you change your mind |
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| 20:06.45 | paulswm | testing... |
| 20:06.46 | ashka | yes i know that downgrade is hard but i need newer version for my hardware |
| 20:06.49 | milo | Hi, can anyone help me with bonding (load balancing) ? I have 2 ethernet connections between 2 machines via 2 switch (PC==switch==switch==PC) and I need to use this 2 lines for network load balancing). I've used bond0 interface, but in this type of topology there's proiblem with detecting when one trace die , then is too big packetloss,because bond0 interface send packets also into "die" line. ideas how to solve this? |
| 20:07.08 | paulswm | ashka: ok, just trying to watch out for you :) |
| 20:07.20 | bipolar | how do I find out what the development package for liblwres1 is? Is there a apt command I can use? |
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| 20:07.44 | tarzeau | bipolar: apt-cache search lwres dev ? |
| 20:08.01 | ljlane | apt-cache search bind -- -dev |
| 20:08.20 | bipolar | tarzeau: no go. I've tried looking at all packages that have lwres in them. |
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| 20:08.45 | bipolar | ljlane: the lwres devel files are in bind? |
| 20:08.53 | ljlane | bipolar, yes |
| 20:09.22 | bipolar | ljlane: no wonder I couldn't find it. Thanks! |
| 20:09.45 | sgeigerbot | bipolar: perhaps you could have used apt-file |
| 20:09.50 | riiankv | /quit |
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| 20:10.13 | bipolar | sgeigerbot: I don't have that installed. I'll check it out. |
| 20:10.15 | arturaz_ | Is there any difference what mail format i choose: mbox or maildir? |
| 20:10.38 | ashka | bye ! |
| 20:10.44 | helix | arturaz_: yes |
| 20:10.46 | streuner | sgeigerbot: i must correct me :-) |
| 20:10.50 | can-o-worms | paulswm: is copying the whole disk just as simple as dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb ? |
| 20:10.52 | arturaz_ | helix, what difference? |
| 20:10.54 | sgeigerbot | bipolar: It works like this: apt-file update; apt-file search lwres |
| 20:10.59 | streuner | not arrogant, only stupid :-) |
| 20:11.04 | helix | arturaz_: not enough to get me to switch to maildir :) |
| 20:11.12 | bipolar | sgeigerbot: nice. Thank you |
| 20:11.15 | helix | arturaz_: afaict, maildir stores emails as separate files, mbox as one big one |
| 20:11.20 | helix | i may be completely mistaken though |
| 20:11.28 | sgeigerbot | streuner: Okay, now that's something I am more willing to agree with, but I think somedays the original statement was more accurate. ;-) |
| 20:11.35 | paulswm | can-o-worms: yes |
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| 20:11.51 | arturaz_ | helix, well i know that. but is there any perfomance difference? also what mail system u use? (exim? postfix? + courier?uw?) |
| 20:12.01 | helix | s/arrogant asshole/very strange/ |
| 20:12.03 | Cobain | hey i upgraded to 2.6.0 and enabled its alsa as a module.. everything seems to act right (im not getting errors when i try to play a song in xmms and the volume knob is active in xine) but when the stuff played im not getting any sound.. |
| 20:12.05 | can-o-worms | paulswm: well, screw partimage... it looks like a pain in the neck |
| 20:12.06 | paulswm | can-o-worms: don'thold your breath :) |
| 20:12.16 | sudo | what do you call the place in the hospital where the passed away pepople are put? |
| 20:12.31 | can-o-worms | paulswm: how long would it take to copy around a gig? |
| 20:12.31 | sgeigerbot | helix: Sorry, there is no "s/arrogant asshole/very strange/" factoid. Please go blow yourself. |
| 20:12.32 | helix | arturaz_: well, i don't know if there is a performance difference. people i've talked to say there isn't a very noticeable one, and i use postfix |
| 20:13.03 | paulswm | can-o-worms: I thought so too which is why I never used it, dd works fine for me. I do images with dd and gzip/bzip2 |
| 20:13.06 | helix | sgeigerbot: i think you have better hardware for such a thing. how about you try instead? :) |
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| 20:13.17 | bancus | I think it would involve some sort of strap. |
| 20:13.21 | arturaz_ | helix, and for getting mail? |
| 20:13.25 | milo | arturaz_: maildir format recommends only 60.000 mails |
| 20:13.32 | helix | arturaz_: fetchmail |
| 20:13.35 | sgeigerbot | helix: Didn't you get that email explaining how to grow your penix? |
| 20:13.42 | arturaz_ | helix, no, for users. imap/pop? |
| 20:13.49 | arturaz_ | milo, <60.000 ? |
| 20:13.58 | sudo | is it called a morgue in a hospital? |
| 20:14.04 | g0th | re |
| 20:14.04 | g0th | ok |
| 20:14.08 | helix | eek. users. i just have a home mail server :( talk to administrators about that stuff |
| 20:14.13 | g0th | Is there a rescue mode for knoppix? |
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| 20:14.21 | bancus | If there is a morgue in a hospital, I don't want to be taken care of there. |
| 20:14.23 | helix | sgeigerbot: no, i have spamblocking :) |
| 20:14.27 | sgeigerbot | g0th: knoppix boots automatically ... |
| 20:14.31 | can-o-worms | paulswm: i don't need to set up any partitions or mount the other disk do i ? |
| 20:14.32 | helix | bancus: they all have morgues |
| 20:14.36 | paulswm | can-o-worms: don't know, depends on your disks and DMA setup |
| 20:14.40 | bancus | no shit? |
| 20:14.42 | helix | bancus: at my job, it's right by the cafeteria |
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| 20:14.49 | sgeigerbot | helix: It's not my faut that your network has "issues" |
| 20:14.51 | helix | bancus: well, yeah, of course. people die |
| 20:14.51 | bancus | ... that's fucking scary |
| 20:14.56 | helix | bancus: wtf? why? |
| 20:15.00 | g0th | sgeigerbot: I want it to boot my root system |
| 20:15.05 | bancus | a morgue right next to the cafeteria? |
| 20:15.09 | bancus | can you say "soylent green"? |
| 20:15.12 | helix | oh |
| 20:15.13 | shaggyeightball | ok where do i get a list of all the dos pront function example cfdisk ?? |
| 20:15.15 | shaggyeightball | ty |
| 20:15.15 | helix | heh |
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| 20:15.25 | sgeigerbot | g0th: I told you about 2 hours ago: You can use chroot once the system has booted from CD. |
| 20:15.28 | helix | sgeigerbot: my network works perfectly |
| 20:15.30 | paulswm | can-o-worms: dd should make an exact copy. I have never done what you are doing, but you can always switch the cables and see if it worked, if not, just switch -em back again |
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| 20:15.35 | g0th | ok |
| 20:15.45 | bancus | I'm sure people die, I just always figured it was some other building that the morgue is kept at. |
| 20:15.45 | g0th | but it would be even nicer with rescue root=... |
| 20:15.51 | bancus | With the county coroner's office. |
| 20:15.53 | milo | arturaz_: in docs is written that Maildir format is good only fore mailboxes with maximum number of mails 60.000 (but thios is only recommend, I don't know how it works with 100.000 :) |
| 20:15.54 | mackstann | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.57 | g0th | anyway chroot then... |
| 20:16.02 | helix | bancus: well the morgue is temporary |
| 20:16.10 | helix | eventually they have to move the people out, of course.. |
| 20:16.10 | sgeigerbot | g0th: do you know how to mount a partition? Just do that and then, as root: cd /mnt/point; chroot .; su - g0th |
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| 20:16.23 | g0th | yeah |
| 20:16.28 | bancus | Yep, right onto your plate. >;D |
| 20:16.33 | g0th | but first I need to wait till it booted |
| 20:16.37 | helix | bancus: :) |
| 20:16.43 | b14s | what is rs6k? |
| 20:16.44 | shaggyeightball | any one ???? |
| 20:16.46 | sgeigerbot | g0th: ...and then everything will work like before (except that the name of the box won't be quite the same, so if you use sudo, expect it to be slow... |
| 20:16.46 | g0th | it would be nice for the future to do that at the boot prompt |
| 20:16.48 | g0th | but anyway |
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| 20:17.03 | sgeigerbot | g0th: it's soooo easy...just learn the commands |
| 20:17.12 | g0th | I know what to do |
| 20:17.20 | helix | pfft |
| 20:17.22 | g0th | it just takes very long to boot knoppix |
| 20:17.26 | b14s | hm? |
| 20:17.28 | b14s | what is rs6k? |
| 20:17.30 | sgeigerbot | s/'// |
| 20:18.07 | helix | hardcore |
| 20:18.28 | sgeigerbot | g0th: It takes even longer to wine in irc for several hours before actually getting something done. |
| 20:18.38 | sgeigerbot | s/wine/whine/g |
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| 20:18.57 | helix | whining == bad, wine == good |
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| 20:19.13 | sgeigerbot | sgeigerbot==good; helix==bad |
| 20:19.14 | oskie | winning = best |
| 20:19.16 | qtio | helix what about whingeing? |
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| 20:19.32 | helix | qtio: damnit, i *hate* that word |
| 20:19.34 | Hagar | Does anyone know how to fix this: |
| 20:19.36 | Hagar | usr/bin/php4: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache |
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| 20:19.44 | helix | sgeigerbot: i think you're confused |
| 20:19.52 | qtio | sorry ... i didnt make it |
| 20:19.59 | helix | qtio: i know |
| 20:20.01 | g0th | ok |
| 20:20.02 | g0th | done |
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| 20:20.06 | g0th | but it gave me this: |
| 20:20.07 | Hagar | I'm having trouble locating this on the bug page |
| 20:20.17 | oskie | Hagar: http://bugs.debian.org ? |
| 20:20.22 | oskie | oh |
| 20:20.28 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.43 | g0th | Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system |
| 20:20.51 | g0th | can I ignore them? |
| 20:21.00 | oskie | Hagar: what is gd.so? what package provides it? |
| 20:21.37 | Hagar | not sure, it's either libgd or php4-gd |
| 20:21.45 | g0th | to be on the save site I do a e2fsck... |
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| 20:21.49 | g0th | thx for everything! |
| 20:21.53 | Hagar | the last one probably |
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| 20:22.22 | milo | anybody can help with bonding ? |
| 20:22.41 | oskie | Hagar: just submit a new bug.. |
| 20:22.44 | can-o-worms | LinuxKrn: nah.. i need to have ftp, so people on windows can send stuff |
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| 20:23.00 | vanguard | Does anyone have a WLAN-card, AM1772 working ???? |
| 20:23.14 | jimmy_dean | I'm brand new to Debian but not to Linux...can someone refer me to a guide that would go through how debian starts daemons on bootup and other similar administration tasks? |
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| 20:23.26 | yeste | hi all |
| 20:23.27 | DelEat | how is .Xdefaults read during startup? |
| 20:23.32 | helix | !greet yeste |
| 20:23.33 | dpkg | Hi yeste! |
| 20:23.41 | milo | jimmy_dean: debian ussually use System V |
| 20:23.43 | yeste | anybody knows what is the CDCEther module? |
| 20:24.00 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: Just like others. Except, that debian is running in runlevel 2 ! |
| 20:24.04 | DelEat | s/startup/startx/ |
| 20:24.04 | oskie | jimmy_dean: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.gz |
| 20:24.34 | jimmy_dean | oskie: ok...thanks...I'm used to how Gentoo does things but compiling Gentoo on a 486 box would take literally a month :) |
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| 20:25.04 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: Cool !!!! Gentoo on 486 ! Ready in 2005 ? |
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| 20:25.28 | oskie | jimmy_dean: i don't know how Gentoo does it .. but there are alternatives in debian: I use file-rc, it's saves some inodes (symbolic links) :) |
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| 20:25.53 | skiy | Hi. How can I solve: "bash: /usr/bin/update-menus: Permission denied" without using apt-get which is b0rked for this very reason? |
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| 20:26.14 | DelEat | skiy: run it as root? |
| 20:26.16 | vanguard | skiy: Become root ? |
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| 20:26.19 | vanguard | :))) |
| 20:26.20 | jimmy_dean | oskie: Gentoo uses the standard /etc/init.d/ directory and init but the method of modifying that is different |
| 20:26.24 | DelEat | vanguard: beat you ;-) |
| 20:26.26 | skiy | DelEat vanguard I am root |
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| 20:26.43 | skiy | DelEat vanguard this is run from a joe postinst script. Trust me i am root |
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| 20:26.47 | DelEat | skiy: change permissions |
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| 20:27.06 | vanguard | skiy: Is the script root ? |
| 20:27.14 | De_Mon | whats the url to that 'how to ask good questions' page? |
| 20:27.16 | Nurbs | jimmy_dean: standard = sysv? anyway, on a "standard" debian system look into update-rc.d |
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| 20:27.25 | DelEat | skiy: some permissions are wrong - what does 'ls -l /usr/bin/update-menus' give? |
| 20:27.29 | skiy | vanguard DelEat changing permission seems to have solved it, thanks :) |
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| 20:27.30 | helix | !seen peterS |
| 20:27.30 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian (8h 27m 26s). Has said a total of 2415 messages. Is idling for 6d 21h 20m 15s |
| 20:27.36 | helix | jeez |
| 20:27.45 | jimmy_dean | Nurbs: I saw that on the Debian Reference doc online but it didn't tell me very much |
| 20:27.46 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 20:27.49 | skiy | vanguard DelEat more specifically: chmod 755 /usr/bin/update-menus |
| 20:27.58 | Nurbs | jimmy_dean: /etc/init.d/README contains some info, too. |
| 20:28.06 | DelEat | dpkg tell De_Mon about questions |
| 20:28.08 | lord_rob | De_Mon: http://linuks.mine.nu/debianfaq.html ? |
| 20:28.11 | jimmy_dean | Nurbs: ok, thanks |
| 20:28.24 | DelEat | lord_rob: ^^ |
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| 20:28.40 | Nurbs | jimmy_dean: google for SysV init style scripts... at some point everything will become clear anyway. Kinda like enlightenment... |
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| 20:28.56 | paulswm | can-o-worms: you should really do the dd from a boot disk, or at least be doing nothing else on your system while dd-ing. Otherwise you'll probably have to fsck your system, as you are taking a snapshot of a running system with files open, etc. |
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| 20:29.03 | vanguard | ALL: I am the first day here, but I must say: THIS is the REAL channel ! |
| 20:29.06 | Zap-W | is it just me or galeon isnt available in testing? |
| 20:29.07 | paulswm | can-o-worms: only just occured to me |
| 20:29.20 | lord_rob | De_Mon: http://linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ sorry, memory lapses (that's because of exams :p) |
| 20:29.28 | vanguard | No Windows-user, and cool people. |
| 20:29.29 | paulswm | can-o-worms: I mean fsck the copied disk when you boot up |
| 20:29.55 | De_Mon | dpkg has the right one |
| 20:29.56 | dpkg | De_Mon: no idea |
| 20:30.06 | paulswm | vanguard: best bar in town :) |
| 20:30.12 | vanguard | :)) |
| 20:30.34 | can-o-worms | paulswm: of course... thanks for the tip |
| 20:30.43 | Zap-W | where is galeon in testing |
| 20:30.43 | can-o-worms | paulswm: i'll just use knoppix |
| 20:30.50 | paulswm | can-o-worms: no problem :) |
| 20:30.53 | vanguard | Thats it, why i like Linux: You always meet people , who know, what they are talking of. |
| 20:31.06 | vanguard | And no mouse-kickers. |
| 20:31.12 | paulswm | Zap-W: galeon isn't in testing. you could try mizilla-fiebird, that's what I did |
| 20:31.17 | qtio | i hate people who kick mice |
| 20:31.19 | paulswm | s/miz/moz/ |
| 20:31.27 | qtio | thats just rude and meanspirited |
| 20:31.29 | vanguard | qtio: Me too ! |
| 20:31.33 | DelEat | welcome De_Mon ;-) |
| 20:31.49 | sgeigerbot | Zap-W: firebird is the best all-around browser, imo |
| 20:31.55 | paulswm | vanguard: I have no idea what I'm taking about, but I can be very convincing |
| 20:32.05 | paulswm | can-o-worms: just kidding, har, har |
| 20:32.11 | DelEat | sgeigerbot: galeon? |
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| 20:32.27 | Zap-W | sgeigerbot : it's sluggish |
| 20:32.30 | sgeigerbot | DelEat: firebird |
| 20:32.32 | Zap-W | sgeigerbot : on my p2 it's |
| 20:32.43 | DelEat | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 20:32.46 | sgeigerbot | Zap-W: best all-around... |
| 20:32.51 | Zap-W | sgeigerbot : it's sluggish |
| 20:32.59 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: it can be irritating, I hate that you can't change the order of tabs; in galoen you can just drag 'n' drop them |
| 20:33.04 | vanguard | The choice 6 years ago to change from DOS (OpenDos !!) to Linux was right ! |
| 20:33.12 | Zap-W | why isnt galeon in testing , blat |
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| 20:33.27 | paulswm | Zap-W: unresolved/broken dependencies |
| 20:33.30 | vanguard | By the way: Does anyone have a "Zaurus" ? |
| 20:33.45 | DelEat | vanguard: as in thesaurus? |
| 20:33.56 | can-o-worms | paulswm: i actually have a pretty cool little project... i have never had to back anything up before |
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| 20:34.01 | DelEat | dpkg: eat sgeigerbot |
| 20:34.01 | vanguard | DelEat: Thts a PDA. |
| 20:34.11 | Zap-W | blat blat , damn bananas , cpu is bad , cant use Main desktop pc |
| 20:34.11 | DelEat | nooo |
| 20:34.19 | Zap-W | stuck with old p2 |
| 20:34.21 | vanguard | Running (yes, you guess it): Linux. |
| 20:34.37 | g0th | it works :) |
| 20:34.37 | jimmy_dean | Nurbs: hmm, not finding what I need...say I don't want NFS to run by default in runlevel2, how do I properly disable NFS from loading during the next boot? |
| 20:34.39 | g0th | thx again |
| 20:34.50 | DelEat | vanguard: what's a PDA? |
| 20:34.51 | can-o-worms | paulswm: i think you can move the tabs around galeon |
| 20:34.58 | paulswm | can-o-worms: I hope it works, I don't see why it shouldn't |
| 20:35.04 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: Look at ./rc2.d |
| 20:35.06 | DelEat | can-o-worms: he knows - you can drag&drop them in galeon, but not in firebird |
| 20:35.12 | Zap-W | and This CIRRUS(0): No valid MMIO address in PCI config space |
| 20:35.13 | paulswm | can-o-worms: yes, that's what I said. You can't do it in firebird though |
| 20:35.19 | vanguard | There you find the starting-scripts. |
| 20:35.24 | vanguard | Change them. |
| 20:35.51 | can-o-worms | DelEat: paulswm: ahhh... yeah, i think galeon is the only browser that will let you do that |
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| 20:36.17 | qtio | is gimp at the point that photoshop users can do most of what they need to on gimp instead? |
| 20:36.45 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: so do I simply remove the symbolic link for nfs in there? |
| 20:36.47 | paulswm | can-o-worms: unfortunately, it is out of testing - but, also unfortunately, I think I heard that it was dying a painful death, something about the maintainer stripping a lot of the functionality and leaving |
| 20:36.56 | paulswm | can-o-worms: aleon, that is |
| 20:36.57 | mackstann | qtio: i wouldn't say so |
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| 20:37.07 | paulswm | s/aleon/galeon/ |
| 20:37.16 | JoePenguin | qtio: regardless of the functionality, i've always disliked gimps user interface :P |
| 20:37.18 | mackstann | qtio: i'm not sure it ever will be |
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| 20:37.44 | DelEat | mackstann: you here? |
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| 20:37.48 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: Remove the whole script. |
| 20:37.55 | Zap-W | what is this woody in testing > mozilla-browser 2:1.0.0-0.woody.1 |
| 20:37.56 | qtio | yeah i tried it years ago and wasnt too impressed |
| 20:38.07 | mackstann | DelEat: it's a ghost, it's not really me! |
| 20:38.08 | vanguard | But secure it somewhere else. |
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| 20:38.20 | DelEat | mackstann: :) was looking for you in kahakai yesterday |
| 20:38.22 | mackstann | qtio: it's not bad, but it's not photoshop either |
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| 20:38.40 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: ok, say I want to get it back someday...what do I do? reinstall NFS with apt-get? |
| 20:38.41 | DelEat | mackstann: can I pm you a non-debian question? |
| 20:38.44 | azreal | qtio: ive been told you can do what you are asking on gimp, in fact gimp does some stuff that photoshop cant do |
| 20:38.46 | vanguard | But i remember , that NFS can be stopped using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:38.48 | mackstann | DelEat: yeah |
| 20:39.00 | Zap-W | i think they need to start mozilla from scratch |
| 20:39.07 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: Wait please, I chack. |
| 20:39.40 | paulswm | Zap-W: well firebird and thunderbird are substantial improvements |
| 20:39.40 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: ok, thanks |
| 20:40.08 | vanguard | Hmm, nfs is not installed at my computer. |
| 20:40.09 | jimmy_dean | Zap-W: the mozilla frontend will be replaced with firebird which is way better than anything out there |
| 20:40.18 | azreal | qtio: from what i hear, design enthusiasts use both, since both can do things the other cant |
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| 20:40.23 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: well and service for that matter...I just used NFS as an example |
| 20:40.43 | Zap-W | jimmy_dean : it's still sluggish and slow on my p2 |
| 20:40.46 | qtio | azreal what sort of things can gimp do that ps can't? |
| 20:40.48 | paulswm | jimmy_dean: not better than galeon, but no doubt will be going forward |
| 20:41.02 | jimmy_dean | paulswm: galeon uses mozilla's rendering engine |
| 20:41.08 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: You have 30 years of programming experience, and you can't write some code to allow the tabs to be rearranged in firebird? |
| 20:41.10 | azreal | qtio: i dunno, youll have to figure it out for yourself |
| 20:41.16 | jimmy_dean | paulswm: I like epiphany better than galeon personally |
| 20:41.19 | paulswm | jimmy_dean: yes I know |
| 20:41.32 | xkb | hmm I keep having these messages pop-up everywhere: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly. |
| 20:41.39 | xkb | does anyone know why? |
| 20:41.43 | jimmy_dean | Zap-W: yeah, that's why I use epiphany...it's fast fast fast |
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| 20:41.52 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: if not, I can understand...but, man, if you have the kind of experience with that type of programming, please share the wealth. |
| 20:41.54 | DelEat | xkb: figure out what causes the error... |
| 20:41.56 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: it's not that important, just a minor irritation, anyway, I'm writing a database engine |
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| 20:42.09 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: which database? |
| 20:42.15 | xkb | DelEat : every program that links to glibc... |
| 20:42.20 | xkb | and thats alot :D |
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| 20:42.25 | Zap-W | how do i use deborphan to purge packages and its config files ? |
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| 20:42.44 | sgeigerbot | Zap-W: why not use apt-get remove --purge <package> ? |
| 20:42.46 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: my own, SQL based, multithreaded servers, not one process per connection like postgres |
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| 20:42.54 | Zap-W | or can i use dpkg for that, it left a mozilla-firebird directory in /etc with just dpkg --purge mozilla-firebird |
| 20:43.03 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: it's a long project, may not finish in my lifetime :) |
| 20:43.45 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: why not contribute to another project so that you can leverage other peoples time and knowledge? |
| 20:43.56 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: have to keep putting it down to do my job and earn a living :) |
| 20:44.06 | Aimio | Someone please console me in #hdhate |
| 20:44.13 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: I think, it would be o.k., when deleting the link in rc2.d |
| 20:44.29 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: yeah, that's what I did...I'm rebooting to test it out |
| 20:44.46 | vanguard | So you can it add again, whenever you need it. |
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| 20:44.51 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 20:44.54 | vanguard | reboot ? |
| 20:44.58 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: actually, I've been thinking about that. Give a bit back. I just am concerned about having folks depending on me and letting them down. With my own projects, I don't have to worry about that. |
| 20:45.00 | vanguard | init 1 , init 2 |
| 20:45.03 | vanguard | :)) |
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| 20:45.16 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: ahh, cool...oh well |
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| 20:45.43 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Sending in a patch doesn't really commit you to something. |
| 20:45.56 | tommyj | eeh, when I do XFree86 -logfile XFree86.1.log I get "unrecognized option -logfile" but according to XFree86's manpage -logfile is a valid option! can anyone help me out here? |
| 20:46.09 | JasperHax0r | anyone have problems with cups not running before |
| 20:46.15 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Whatever you might be able to do as one person would probably not equal to what has already been done by the postgres group... |
| 20:46.19 | xkb | hmm so no one else is having the problems I described? |
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| 20:46.25 | DeLeTe | hi |
| 20:46.34 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: ...so in the end, if your code is to survive, you might want to attach it to something bigger than yourself. |
| 20:46.37 | helix | sgeigerbot: isn't dpkg --purge package easier? |
| 20:46.42 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: I'm not doing it to change the world. I'm doing it because it's a presonal challenge. |
| 20:46.50 | sgeigerbot | helix: might be the same thing... |
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| 20:47.14 | DeLeTe | i have a problem with cdrecord when i whant to eject a cd : cdrecord.mmap: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 20:47.15 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: I personally challenge you to change the world. |
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| 20:47.23 | DeLeTe | can somebody help me ? |
| 20:47.26 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: har har :) |
| 20:47.40 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: It wouldn't hurt to help other people along the way. |
| 20:47.46 | Aimio | `badblocks /dev/foo` will only find badblocks rather than mark them unusable. So to mark the badblocks I need to do `fsck -cc /dev/foo`. I don't need to specify blocksize in fsck do I? |
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| 20:48.10 | helix | sgeigerbot: it is. but my way is easier to type :) |
| 20:48.17 | jimmy_dean | vanguard: yep, worked well...thanks |
| 20:48.30 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: yes, I know. I realize that my projects are really just intellectual masturbation, but at least I get to do exactly what I want to do, when I wnat to do it |
| 20:48.33 | Aimio | DeLeTe: modprobe ide-scsi / sg / sd_mod perhaps? `cdrecord dev=0,0,0` possibly |
| 20:48.39 | vanguard | jimmy_dean: No problem (smile9 |
| 20:48.40 | sgeigerbot | helix: not if you have aliases for all the commonly-used package management commands |
| 20:48.51 | helix | sgeigerbot: well aren't you the fancy one |
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| 20:49.06 | sgeigerbot | helix: why waste time.... |
| 20:49.07 | helix | i don't think i've upgraded in over a month |
| 20:49.10 | arturaz_ | anyone uses teapop? what's wrong with this syntax? default:*:mysql:/home/vmail:0:mail:mail:localhost::vmail:vmail:vteapop:users:user:pass:mail: |
| 20:49.26 | arturaz_ | Dec 29 22:48:51 rasnet teapop[15774]: Error in Query record (check fields names) |
| 20:49.31 | arturaz_ | hmm |
| 20:49.37 | DeLeTe | Aimio, already loaded |
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| 20:49.50 | sgeigerbot | helix: alias acs="apt-cache search " alias acsh="apt-cache show " alias agi="sudo apt-get install " alias agu="sudo apt-get update " |
| 20:49.51 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: but you are right really. The purpose of life is not to be happy, but to have made a difference that you lived at all. Can't remember who said that. Oh. I did :) |
| 20:50.06 | Aimio | DeLeTe: does it find your device with `cdrecord -scanbus` as user and as root? |
| 20:50.08 | tommyj | should /usr/bin/XFree86 be suid root? |
| 20:50.11 | Zap-W | is there any program that will clean config files from programs removed with dpkg --purge? |
| 20:50.12 | sgeigerbot | helix: alias agrp='sudo apt-get remove --purge' |
| 20:50.36 | DeLeTe | Aimio, 0,0,0 0) 'QSI ' 'CDRW/DVD SBW-241' 'VF10' Removable CD-ROM |
| 20:50.48 | sgeigerbot | helix: I use the aliases acs and acsh all the time. |
| 20:51.00 | helix | sgeigerbot: very efficient |
| 20:51.01 | mwilson | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/12/29/national1426EST0580.DTL&type=printable |
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| 20:51.13 | Aimio | DeLeTe: try `cdrecord dev=0,0,0 foo` |
| 20:51.21 | DeLeTe | Aimio, ok |
| 20:51.39 | helix | mwilson: heh |
| 20:52.10 | sgeigerbot | helix: I keep them all in a file so that I can add them to a new machine more easily. Then if I have changes to make, I make it to my central file (which I put into CVS). |
| 20:52.11 | Nurbs | mhm, cdrecord seems to be missing support for device spec by pathname again afaict |
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| 20:53.00 | DeLeTe | Aimio, i have information about my cd |
| 20:53.03 | DeLeTe | rom |
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| 20:53.36 | Aimio | DeLeTe: did specifying the device help you burn a cd? |
| 20:53.44 | Zap-W | jimmy_dean epiphany is a game |
| 20:54.02 | DeLeTe | Aimio, can i privmsg you ? |
| 20:54.06 | Aimio | ok |
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| 20:54.32 | Toothpick | I want to install the 2.6 kernel for a debootstrap...can someone point me to a decent faq? |
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| 20:55.22 | mwilson | Why would you do something silly like that? |
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| 20:55.43 | sodre | mwilson: what do you have against 2.6? |
| 20:56.00 | Toothpick | mwilson...so I could use the bootcd to make an iso that I can use to install sid with 2.6 |
| 20:56.02 | JasperHax0r | does anyone know why cups loads and then quits with no error message |
| 20:56.04 | mwilson | Who said I had anything against it? |
| 20:56.09 | qtio | hey mwilson thanks for the memtest86 tip... it looks like i do have a bad chip |
| 20:56.21 | sodre | mwilson: I'm not trying to start a flame war... but everyone that queries about it you say they don't need it... or its silly... |
| 20:56.35 | Zap-W | what's the name of the web browser that sounds something like " elphy.. |
| 20:56.36 | Zap-W | ? |
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| 20:56.53 | sodre | s/everyone/its the second time/ |
| 20:57.00 | mwilson | sodre: I ask them WHY they need it. Usually it boils down to wanting to be 'l33t among the other kiddies. |
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| 20:57.37 | De_Mon | mwilson are you trying to tell me 2.6 ISNT l33t? |
| 20:57.38 | JasperHax0r | can someone please help me with my prining problem |
| 20:57.56 | Zap-W | Linux Zap-W 2.6.0 #1 Sat Dec 27 19:10:37 IST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:58.01 | sodre | mwilson: Leet kidoz use RH or some crap like that... |
| 20:58.05 | da1 | Question: how does one allow a non-root user to perform the shutdown operation from gdm ? |
| 20:58.24 | azreal | i dont understand the reasoning for "needing" 2.6, isnt it enough thats its the latest and greatest stable version of the "linux" kernel, isnt that what we are about? |
| 20:58.34 | sodre | mwilson: However, I understand your point. |
| 20:59.14 | mwilson | azreal: Why are either of those good reasons for changing a kernel? |
| 20:59.37 | sgeigerbot | what the F*** does WTF mean? Why torture fish? Woman tempting fate? |
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| 20:59.53 | jimmy_dean | Zap-W: I love epiphany...wait till the gtk 2.4 version is released |
| 20:59.56 | sodre | mwilson: World Trade Foundation :) |
| 21:00.03 | Sebulba02 | lol |
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| 21:00.23 | mwilson | jimmy_dean: Why? Will it finally not suck? |
| 21:00.25 | Aimio | azreal: isn't 2.6 current and stable? |
| 21:00.37 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: Thanks for your needling. Tt's helped me make up my mind about something. Much appreciated. I'll set up a sid installation and take a look at the tab thing in firebird. |
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| 21:00.53 | jimmy_dean | mwilson: I don't think it sucks now, but yeah it'll do way more |
| 21:00.54 | azreal | mwilson: its not like its a development kernel, that people shouldnt use, its the stable kernel, i think its time to embrace the future of linux |
| 21:01.01 | Zap-W | in testing epiphany is a stinky GAME! not a webrowser |
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| 21:01.30 | Nurbs | epiphany-browser iirc |
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| 21:01.40 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 21:01.42 | Zap-W | not available |
| 21:01.48 | bztunk | yes it's epiphany-browser |
| 21:01.54 | azreal | Aimio: yes, 2.6 is the new stable kernel |
| 21:02.17 | mwilson | azreal: Thank you for the religious screed. Meanwhile, I have work to do that does not include further beta-testing on a documented feature-incomplete unstable kernel. Anyone who uses a 2.x.0 kernel on anything other than a test box is a fool. |
| 21:02.18 | Zap-W | shit everything is missing here |
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| 21:02.23 | Zap-W | dont have that |
| 21:02.24 | tarzeau | hehe epiphany is a nice game |
| 21:02.24 | xkb | are the php4 debs suited for apache 2 yet? |
| 21:02.36 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Cool. |
| 21:02.43 | paulswm | epiphany )not the game) isn't in testing |
| 21:02.50 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 21:02.52 | sodre | What I think is important in 2.6 is being able to run my `god knows how many threads' simulation without paying a hefty price for it. |
| 21:03.16 | Zap-W | Nothing is in Testing !@ |
| 21:03.26 | Zap-W | bugger |
| 21:03.49 | azreal | hehe |
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| 21:04.32 | Nurbs | sodre: you can do that with RH 9 and 2.4, too ;) |
| 21:04.49 | paulswm | Zap-W: apt-cache search .|wc -l gives 12764 packages, none of them epihpany-browser :( |
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| 21:05.22 | Nurbs | mwilson: eh, you still running 1.x kernels? |
| 21:05.25 | xkb | apt-cache search epi | grep browser |
| 21:05.25 | xkb | epiphany-browser - Intuitive GNOME web browser |
| 21:05.28 | Zap-W | paulswm : i need a fast browser for this p2 fast |
| 21:05.28 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: actually, you might want to go with a CVS copy or a nightly build, as those will be more current than sid. |
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| 21:05.47 | bztunk | ~info epiphany-browser sarge |
| 21:05.50 | Active2 | Where does debian unstable sets his CFLAGS (i want to compile a package with debug) so i need to add -DDEBUG to my CFLAGS |
| 21:05.52 | Zap-W | see , gnome-browser |
| 21:06.03 | Active2 | when compiling a deb package |
| 21:06.03 | mwilson | Active2: Nowhere, of course. |
| 21:06.08 | bztunk | Active2: debian/rules? |
| 21:06.12 | Zap-W | it's gnome browser , might aswell use galeon , Oh but wait , galeon isn't in sarge either |
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| 21:06.25 | mwilson | Active2: Debian does not use Gentoobie stupidities. |
| 21:06.33 | bztunk | ~info epiphany-browser |
| 21:06.46 | Active2 | mwilson: hehe |
| 21:06.46 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: no, it has its own. ;-) ...whatever they might be. |
| 21:06.51 | bztunk | hum, it's really not in sarge |
| 21:06.53 | mwilson | It's a Gnome web browser, which is enough reason not to use it. |
| 21:06.55 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: yes, I meant to set up a sid as a development system, I ned to do that anyway if I ever write an original package, but for firebird, I'll make sure I'm wokring on the most current copy |
| 21:07.09 | bztunk | mwilson: but it's intuitive! haha |
| 21:07.09 | paulswm | scuse the crap typing |
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| 21:08.29 | Active2 | bztunk: in debian/rules are now only three lines: |
| 21:08.35 | Active2 | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk |
| 21:08.35 | Active2 | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk |
| 21:08.35 | Active2 | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools-files.mk |
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| 21:08.45 | Active2 | and i can't find the CFLAGS in these files |
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| 21:08.51 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: I'm ruinning sarge, but I have a ton of disk space, so I'll set up a woody and a sid so I can do proper testing, including regression |
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| 21:09.19 | bztunk | Active2: it's using cdbs, and I have no idea how it works |
| 21:09.27 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: this time next year, I'll either be thanking or cursing you :) |
| 21:09.37 | Active2 | bztunk: me too ;) |
| 21:09.54 | Zap-W | mwilson : if it depended on you we would have only *dilldo* browser |
| 21:09.57 | Zap-W | that dick |
| 21:10.05 | mwilson | Zap-W: Huh? |
| 21:10.06 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Then you can add this to your resume: mastered the use of opposable thumbs |
| 21:10.07 | bztunk | Zap-W: hahaha dilldo |
| 21:10.13 | xkb | ms dilldo? |
| 21:10.18 | bztunk | ~info dillo |
| 21:10.22 | yaman | hello.. i'm having some trouble getting my video card detected by X. it was working fine on the Knoppix LiveCD, but its not working on a fresh debian install.. i did recompile the kernel, but the card should use the X driver anyways |
| 21:10.30 | Zap-W | :0 |
| 21:10.45 | bztunk | Zap-W: it's using gtk and mwilson doesn't like that! hahah |
| 21:11.02 | Aimio | dillo: doesn't like slashdot and &ntsp but otherwise great |
| 21:11.02 | sodre | yaman: Did you really need to recompile the kernel? usually the precompiled ones work well enough... |
| 21:11.03 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: very funny, I don't need to, I'm a two-finger typist :) |
| 21:11.08 | yaman | sodre: 2.4.23 |
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| 21:11.14 | yaman | sodre: only source was available when i did it |
| 21:11.19 | mwilson | I don't like GTK? That's... interesting. I don't know what you base that on, since it's wrong, but... interesting. |
| 21:11.20 | Zap-W | gtk , it's still uses gtk 1.2 |
| 21:11.26 | sodre | yaman: are you running sarge? |
| 21:11.30 | yaman | sodre: yes |
| 21:11.38 | bztunk | mwilson: I'm joking heh |
| 21:11.39 | azreal | sgeigerbot: mwilson should have his own comic strip |
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| 21:11.51 | Nurbs | sgeigerbot: it's easier the other way round, really |
| 21:11.52 | sodre | yaman: what is the video card? |
| 21:12.00 | yaman | sodre: ati mobility radeon u1 |
| 21:12.03 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: if you need disk space for that list, 40GB drives are cheap nowadays |
| 21:12.08 | Zap-W | i need to access a website that is too heavy to load with mozilla-firebird , what do do |
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| 21:12.11 | Zap-W | what to do |
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| 21:12.26 | sodre | yaman: hang on... |
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| 21:12.31 | Sebulba02 | use links? |
| 21:12.32 | hippie | too heavy? |
| 21:12.33 | sgeigerbot | azreal: You are right. Omfg. |
| 21:12.43 | Zap-W | links? |
| 21:12.55 | Zap-W | hippie : it hangs |
| 21:12.57 | Sebulba02 | text browser |
| 21:13.04 | paulswm | Zap-W: create one on localhost |
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| 21:13.22 | Zap-W | the text browsers dont have hebrew support |
| 21:13.26 | paulswm | Zap-W: sorry, I misunderstood you |
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| 21:14.22 | mwilson | links does. |
| 21:14.25 | Zap-W | sarge dosent have galeon , or Elphy - , dilldo dosent have it , too thin, and lacks features size.. |
| 21:14.28 | mwilson | Or I think it does. |
| 21:14.46 | mwilson | It renders japanese fine, anyway. |
| 21:15.09 | paulswm | dilldo? |
| 21:15.18 | paulswm | dillo maybe |
| 21:15.30 | bztunk | but it doesn't render my favorite torrent site right :( |
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| 21:15.41 | Zap-W | do you know what a dilldo is ? |
| 21:15.50 | bztunk | ~dict dilldo |
| 21:15.59 | zinx | no, but i know what a dildo is |
| 21:16.05 | bztunk | yeah me to |
| 21:16.06 | hippie | I'd guess it'd be a vlassic. |
| 21:16.12 | zinx | hahaha |
| 21:16.17 | qtio | hahaha |
| 21:16.33 | Zap-W | it's that plastic dick fat chicks use to mastrubate |
| 21:16.40 | zinx | that's a dildo |
| 21:16.45 | bztunk | yeah lol |
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| 21:17.01 | Zap-W | yea dillo |
| 21:17.06 | bztunk | and not only fat chicks |
| 21:17.07 | Zap-W | dildo |
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| 21:17.24 | paulswm | Zap-W: I think michael jackson's got one. Oh, wait a minute, he *is* one |
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| 21:17.55 | qtio | paulswm yeah with the newest of colorchanging plastic polymer technology too |
| 21:18.05 | paulswm | qtio: heh |
| 21:18.10 | nighter | after a while in kernel 2.6 i get this error psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 |
| 21:18.10 | nighter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.10 | nighter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.30 | bztunk | nighter: #kernel or something |
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| 21:18.39 | nighter | aha |
| 21:18.40 | nighter | ok |
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| 21:19.43 | paulswm | see ya later guys |
| 21:20.21 | sodre | yaman: I can't get to my notebook at home and I don't remember oott of my head how to set it up... sorry. |
| 21:20.28 | arturaz_ | anyone uses teapop-mysql here? How passwords should be stored in db? |
| 21:20.52 | yaman | sodre: no problem... do you remember if you enabled radeon support in the kernel and what X youre using? |
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| 21:21.57 | sodre | yaman: the notebook comes with the precompiled kernel for sarge (aptitude install kernel-image-<something>-i686). |
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| 21:22.35 | hackeron | hey, I have a problem with NFS, it sometimes says stale NFS share... for instance this morning it all worked flawless, watched movies from NFS share, uploaded files, etc.. now it starts playing movie, then quits, when I try to copy over, in the middle of copy it says Stale NFS Share... can someone please explain why this happens and how to prevent? |
| 21:22.35 | sodre | yaman: I also had an entry on lilo.conf that would set the frame buffer. |
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| 21:22.57 | namirhA | hackeron, that happened to me also, its like it times out or something |
| 21:23.02 | namirhA | hackeron, just remount and it works? |
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| 21:23.12 | Zap-W | hackeron : have you tried samba? |
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| 21:23.45 | sodre | yaman: and the X version was the default one for sarge as well. |
| 21:23.50 | cyberyo | anyone use a pcmcia wifi card under 2.6 ? |
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| 21:26.10 | hackeron | namirhA: no, it doesn't, but if I leave for a few hours it works again, really, REALLY poor reliability :( |
| 21:26.57 | yaman | sodre: i see... hmm |
| 21:27.12 | yaman | sodre: well i upgraded to X4.3.. and it also cant detect it, which makes me think it may be a kernel problem |
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| 21:28.17 | daniel_ | fcntl: No locks available <- anyone know what's up with this? |
| 21:28.19 | yaman | ive never installed a kernel-image-* package before.. will it overwrite my kernel? |
| 21:28.46 | baptista | hi all. anyone uses xinerama? |
| 21:28.56 | gehel | yaman: only if it is the same version |
| 21:29.09 | gehel | yaman: that is, the same kernel number |
| 21:29.09 | uws | baptista: I did |
| 21:29.10 | yaman | gehel: what exactly does it install? |
| 21:29.55 | baptista | uws: I used but mozilla freezes my machine |
| 21:29.58 | gehel | yaman: it installs a kernel image in /boot, the modules under /lib/modules/<kernel-version> and tries to reconfigure your bootloader |
| 21:29.59 | mwilson | baptista: Many people do. You're taking a survey? |
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| 21:30.57 | fooz | upgrading a kernel on a machine >300 miles away is scary |
| 21:31.04 | gehel | dummy question but : where is the option to hide join/quit messages in xchat ? |
| 21:31.04 | merriam | That spiral logo looks rather familiar. --> http://www.crotchedmountain.org/ |
| 21:31.13 | fooz | anyone have a cheap console server of choice? |
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| 21:31.23 | daniel_ | fcntl: No locks available <- anyone know? |
| 21:31.25 | uws | baptista: I had no problems at that time |
| 21:31.29 | yaman | gehel: well i just installed it--going to try now. thanks |
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| 21:31.54 | The_Ball | is there a console app that can tell the length of a mpeg file? |
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| 21:31.58 | gehel | fooz: what do you mean by console server ? |
| 21:32.06 | mwilson | The_Ball: ls |
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| 21:32.16 | mentor | merriam: Unfortunately, the Debian Logo lokos similar t oa lot of logos |
| 21:32.23 | fooz | like a tcp/ip -> serial gateway |
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| 21:32.28 | The_Ball | mwilson, ;) in seconds not byte please |
| 21:32.49 | merriam | mentor: yes, but i've never seen one quite so close before |
| 21:32.59 | mwilson | The_Ball: You might try actually specifying what you want, then. |
| 21:33.01 | gehel | fooz: are you looking for soft/hard ? soft : vgetty |
| 21:33.15 | gehel | fooz and ppp |
| 21:33.21 | fooz | hard is better |
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| 21:33.42 | mwilson | rei $ mpginfo Andromeda\ 4x02\ -\ Pieces\ of\ Eight.mpg |
| 21:33.42 | mwilson | Andromeda 4x02 - Pieces of Eight.mpg |
| 21:33.42 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.48 | mentor | merriam: Well, you can bring it to the attention of people on the list if you want. |
| 21:33.50 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.50 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.59 | mentor | merriam: I would check the archives for what happened last time, tho' |
| 21:34.02 | fooz | i need to be able to un-wedge my machine over serial console when I break it during a kernel upgrade. hehe |
| 21:34.05 | grew | andromeda is a marginal series at best |
| 21:34.09 | mwilson | I like it. |
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| 21:34.25 | uws | The_Ball, mwilson: mplayer -vo null -ao null :) |
| 21:34.28 | baptista | mwilson: my mozilla freezes the machine when using xinerama |
| 21:34.28 | ulitz | im not complaining but just wondered what to do when a package gets an error while upgrading, is there a way to get it past that package and finish the upgrade without uninstalling it? |
| 21:34.29 | mwilson | Now that I've chopped the commercials out of that one, I need to make a VCD. |
| 21:34.29 | diod | Hi all |
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| 21:34.51 | diod | I've got a problem with fonts |
| 21:34.53 | mwilson | uws: Yes, certainly I want to use a sledgehammer to kill a flea. |
| 21:34.54 | marton | i've just installed a bare bones debian system (3.0r2). When I add a new user I can't user they can't use vi (error: can't create temp file. permission denied). I'm thinking this has to do w/ the fact that I've created partitions for just about everything and I need to change something in /etc/fstab. Am i on the right track? |
| 21:34.56 | grew | mwilson: i had trouble getting over seeing hercules commanding a starship |
| 21:34.57 | niktarin | gnome 2.4 does not display all the printer drivers when using gnome-cups-manager. Anyone can help? |
| 21:35.12 | gehel | fooz: then you just need a getty lintening on a serial port and a null modem cable |
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| 21:35.30 | fooz | yeah but that depends on another machine working |
| 21:35.33 | somiaj | marton: what are the primisions on your /tmp dir/partition |
| 21:35.42 | The_Ball | mwilson, ill try mpginfo thanks |
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| 21:36.15 | mwilson | grew: Andromeda was ok, then it was good, then it got bad, now it's worse. |
| 21:36.18 | eeyore- | what morons! epic doesn't have replacement policy for cd's? this sucks |
| 21:36.23 | gehel | fooz: you want to do it from "far away" ? What about a modem ? |
| 21:36.25 | diod | Under Sid, with the last xine, I get 'xiTK WARNING(xitk_font_load_font:432): ... ' error and it exits |
| 21:36.42 | eeyore- | i can't (am having troubles) installing ut2k3 on windows. fuck fuck fuck! :-P teach me for using that platform |
| 21:36.44 | mwilson | grew: They shouldn't have solved the basic premise at the end of the second season. |
| 21:36.47 | marton | somiaj not sure (dual boot) in /etc/fstab the options are defaults |
| 21:36.49 | JoePenguin | fooz: If you use LILO, what you could do is have lilo boot to the known working kernel by default, and then you run "lilo -R foo" to boot "foo" the next time around, so if "foo" fails to boot you can just reset the box and it will boot the default kernel. |
| 21:37.04 | somiaj | diod: the bts give you any insights? |
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| 21:37.08 | diod | Apparently, it failed loading font "*-lucida-*-i..." |
| 21:37.15 | mbmaster | Where do I install .ttf-fonts in Debian? |
| 21:37.15 | mentor | eeyore-: Is it using Copy Protection? |
| 21:37.22 | fooz | JoePenguin, oooh |
| 21:37.22 | diod | somiaj: bts ? |
| 21:37.27 | eeyore- | mentor: ya, and cd1 is a bit scratched :-) |
| 21:37.32 | somiaj | marton: ls -ld /tmp what are the primisions, they should look like this, drwxrwxrwt 14 root root |
| 21:37.32 | mentor | :/ |
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| 21:37.40 | somiaj | diod: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
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| 21:37.46 | fooz | JoePenguin, thanks |
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| 21:37.53 | mentor | eeyore-: the American in me is tempted to shout 'SUE!' |
| 21:37.55 | azreal | mbmaster: /msg dpkg ttf |
| 21:37.55 | eeyore- | mentor: i suppose i can try to do as much as i can with that dd thing, the other one ... |
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| 21:38.06 | marton | somiaj i'd have to close out of irc to see that right now |
| 21:38.10 | eeyore- | mentor: nah, embarass them is better than sue :) |
| 21:38.31 | fooz | rebooting itself is still a problem.. |
| 21:38.37 | fooz | i don't think anyone's there yet (still on holiday) |
| 21:38.39 | mbmaster | azreal: Thanks. |
| 21:38.45 | eeyore- | what's the dd program that skips over portions it can't read? |
| 21:38.49 | marton | somiaj i should have thought to check that, but doesn't it seem odd that it wouldn't install w/ those permissions already? |
| 21:39.01 | mentor | eeyore-: I would just go grab an a image and use the appropriate copy protection defeater.... |
| 21:39.05 | somiaj | marton: well tmp files are usally located in /tmp, so the primisions have to be correct so anyone can write there, the only other place I think that primisions can be put is in $HOME and so make sure those are correct as well. |
| 21:39.21 | gehel | fooz: you could buy a watchdog card ... |
| 21:39.23 | fooz | linux kernels are stupid and just sit there on panic |
| 21:39.26 | somiaj | marton: it does seem odd, but that doesn't mean that you didn't do something to mess with them. |
| 21:39.30 | eeyore- | mentor: yeah, either that or spend $20 for another copy and MAKE BACKUP of this one (and kick myself in the process) |
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| 21:39.56 | somiaj | fooz: what would your prefer the do, make your computer start smoking? |
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| 21:40.08 | fooz | i'd prefer it to reboot after writing a crash dump :) |
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| 21:40.13 | marton | somiaj come to think of it, i had to jump thru some hoops to get the partitions set up after the orignal install |
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| 21:40.16 | mentor | eeyore-: haha |
| 21:40.19 | eeyore- | fooz: some chipsets have builtin watchdog hardware. there is even a software watchdog for linux |
| 21:40.20 | gehel | fooz: when they panic there is really a problem and nothig more to do ... I've seen 3-4 panic in 5 years of linux ... |
| 21:40.26 | marton | somiaj that is probably what the problem is |
| 21:40.27 | ulitz | how would i force a package to be upgraded if it is possible? |
| 21:40.32 | bbb^ | hi, I have one ethernet adaptor (eth0) configured as 192.168.1.1, however I can't ping that ip address from the local machine or from any other machines any ideas :) |
| 21:40.45 | somiaj | ulitz: you shouldn't have to, what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:40.50 | muncc2beo | I'm running a 2.6.0 kernel, and I want to burn a CD. Do I need to do scsi-emulation still? |
| 21:40.50 | diod | somiaj: nothing for xine-ui |
| 21:40.56 | mentor | eeyore-: What you want to do is store your CDs in vacuum suspended in a magnetic field, and run the game from an image on disk ;) |
| 21:41.00 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: no |
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| 21:41.03 | fooz | eeyore-, yeah but those don't help me if something breaks between LILO and running /sbin/init |
| 21:41.08 | ulitz | somiaj: im doing an apt-get upgrade and getting errors on cupsys |
| 21:41.10 | Kawfee | zoof! |
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| 21:41.21 | muncc2beo | JoePenguin: ok, then, what do I have to do to make it work? |
| 21:41.28 | fooz | oh well, i'll try out a new kernel |
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| 21:41.35 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: in cdrecord you can do something like cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom something.iso |
| 21:41.38 | somiaj | diod: try just xine, (just trying to point you to places where you might find the answer to yoru qeustion) |
| 21:41.39 | fooz | hopefully it'll work |
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| 21:41.39 | quaqo | reboot (with 2.6 kernel) |
| 21:41.57 | muncc2beo | JoePenguin: scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 |
| 21:41.57 | muncc2beo | Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. |
| 21:42.00 | somiaj | ulitz: errors? what kind of errors, that sounds different than wanting to force an upgrade. |
| 21:42.09 | muncc2beo | ^--- output from cdrecord |
| 21:42.13 | fooz | I've got a complex setup.. but I used to live a few minutes away. now I live 380 miles away |
| 21:42.15 | diod | somiaj: just xine would'n get any answer on deb.org |
| 21:42.16 | fooz | hehe |
| 21:42.20 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: maybe you need a newer version of cdrecord |
| 21:42.28 | somiaj | diod: maybe post that error in google and see if that helps. |
| 21:42.32 | fooz | makes remote admin more interesting |
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| 21:42.50 | eeyore- | fooz: pc weasel card |
| 21:42.50 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: I'm not using 2.6 now, but i remember doing it that way |
| 21:42.55 | cfc | hi people! |
| 21:42.56 | muncc2beo | JoePenguin: will that mean I'll have to compile, as I have the most updated version provided by sarge |
| 21:43.03 | muncc2beo | ? |
| 21:43.05 | ulitz | somiaj: it just says error while processing cupsys and cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 21:43.11 | cfc | I have a problem with a theme of kde 3.1, when install a theme in the control center say... "I havent a theme.rc or theme ... what I do? |
| 21:43.15 | fooz | eeyore-, i like their artwork hehe |
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| 21:43.23 | somiaj | muncc2beo: does cdrecord -scanbus show your cdrw |
| 21:43.23 | diod | somiaj: not much :( |
| 21:43.36 | fooz | eeyore-, problem is that it's expensive |
| 21:43.38 | somiaj | diod: well I don't use xine so I can't answer your question..(: |
| 21:43.44 | eeyore- | fooz: if you *really* need to be there, there's no better way |
| 21:43.46 | ulitz | diod: whats your error? |
| 21:43.53 | fooz | ok. guess i'll buy one then |
| 21:43.54 | fooz | thanks |
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| 21:43.59 | muncc2beo | somiaj: no, it says: cdrecord.mmap: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 21:43.59 | muncc2beo | cdrecord.mmap: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. |
| 21:43.59 | cfc | help me please :( |
| 21:44.04 | diod | somiaj: instead of solving the pb, the thread I saw was departing to using mplayer instead |
| 21:44.08 | sgeigerbot | If I want to do nested backticks, how can I do that? Example of what I would like to do: less `egrep -i -L sgeiger `find /home/postfixfilter/ -mtime -2 -daystart -print` | grep -v journal` |
| 21:44.10 | ndeee | hi there, I deleted a file per accident, anyway I could get that file back without too much hassle? |
| 21:44.14 | diod | somiaj: what are you using ? |
| 21:44.30 | sgeigerbot | ndeee: which file? |
| 21:44.36 | eeyore- | fooz: don't worry :-D i'm sitting here debating whether to spend $20 to buy another copy of ut2k3. it's the principle, man! |
| 21:44.46 | ndeee | sgeigerbot: a video on my linux machine and I'm sure you don't have it ;) |
| 21:44.47 | fooz | eeyore-, stick it to EPIC |
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| 21:44.51 | fooz | eeyore-, and/or buy Quake 3 instead |
| 21:44.52 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: i'll try to find some information |
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| 21:45.00 | somiaj | diod: I use mplayer, even though they hate debian, its still a good video player in my opinion. |
| 21:45.01 | muncc2beo | JoePenguin: thanks |
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| 21:45.06 | cyberyo | grrrr |
| 21:45.11 | cyberyo | anyone maybe can help :) |
| 21:45.13 | muncc2beo | somiaj: why do the mplayer people hate debian? |
| 21:45.25 | grew | muncc2beo: cause they are too stupid to set it up right |
| 21:45.25 | ulitz | somiaj: why do you say mplayer hates debian? |
| 21:45.26 | cyberyo | i just try my pcmcia wifi card on 2.6 ( prism2 chip ) |
| 21:45.29 | eeyore- | fooz: already have quake3 |
| 21:45.32 | fooz | hehe |
| 21:45.33 | cyberyo | all is ok for ap detection etc ... |
| 21:45.37 | somiaj | muncc2beo: are you using a 2.4 kernel with scsi emulation for the cdrw? |
| 21:45.40 | diod | somiaj: I think the debian guys don't like so much mplayer too |
| 21:45.43 | grew | ulitz: they say so on their page |
| 21:45.47 | cyberyo | but first packet ( ping ip ) --> freeze ! |
| 21:45.55 | muncc2beo | somiaj: no, I'm using 2.6, wondering if I need to do scsi emulation |
| 21:46.02 | somiaj | ulitz: check out their webpage and you'll see how they swtiched from woody to slackware because debian sucks. |
| 21:46.13 | ulitz | oh yeah forgot about that one |
| 21:46.22 | sgeigerbot | ndeee: a .mpg or .mov file? Well, you can't apt-get install that...so you'd have to get it from backup or, if you are lucky and are using ext2, you could get it from recover (apt-get install recover), or e2undel... |
| 21:46.25 | somiaj | muncc2beo: there is supose to be atpi support, but I use scsi emu with my 2.6 kernel and have no problems. |
| 21:46.25 | streuner | grew: they never said, they hate debian, read the whole article |
| 21:46.28 | mentor | muncc2beo: Well, without starting a flamewar, there have been problems with the licensing and copyright ownership of their code |
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| 21:46.38 | eeyore- | ddrescue ... that's what i was looking for |
| 21:46.39 | fooz | eeyore-, sweet. it comes with source to the firmware |
| 21:46.43 | ulitz | not sure why they would want slackware... with no package managment |
| 21:46.45 | muncc2beo | mentor: ok, just curious |
| 21:46.48 | sgeigerbot | ndeee: apt-get install recover; apt-get install e2undel (try 'em both) |
| 21:47.13 | streuner | grew: one of the admins knows slackware better then debian, that's the reason why they switch to slackware. |
| 21:47.18 | muncc2beo | somiaj: i c. Well, I have ide-scsi compiled as a module. How can I load it and associate it with my CDRW (/dev/hdd)? |
| 21:47.18 | eeyore- | fooz: but, why would you want firmware source for something like this? extra security? |
| 21:47.28 | somiaj | diod: no, debian just wouldn't offically release them for a while based off they have only recently became gpl and second their use of ilegal codecs, its more a legality stance while the mplayer developers have made a statment that debian sucks. |
| 21:47.39 | eeyore- | fooz: so you can embed nethack in the firmware? |
| 21:47.39 | fooz | eeyore-, to change it if you don't like how it works |
| 21:47.52 | Nurbs | streuner: they just said: "Debian sucks - that's the opinion of most of the core developers" |
| 21:47.59 | somiaj | muncc2beo: before you do that make srue the ide-atpi cdrom support is not compiled in your kernel and if its a module you remove, they do conflict. |
| 21:48.01 | fooz | and/or embed nethack in the firmware |
| 21:48.04 | diod | somiaj: I've seen that statement .. quite inopprtune |
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| 21:48.15 | muncc2beo | somiaj: how can I check that? |
| 21:48.21 | fooz | ugh. $350 for the PCI one |
| 21:48.29 | fooz | damn my PCI only motherboard |
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| 21:48.39 | muncc2beo | somiaj: if its a module, its not loaded, but I can't remember if its compiled in |
| 21:48.47 | ulitz | somiaj: so how can i get that cupsys and cupsys-gimpprint thing to be upgraded.. it stops the upgrade on all the other packages so i what to have it skipped for now or to be forced upgraded |
| 21:48.49 | somiaj | muncc2beo: did you compile your own 2.6 kernel, do a 'lsmod' if you don't see an module for your ide cdrom device then its probably compiled in. |
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| 21:49.16 | mwilson | *WHY* do people continue to insist on using CUPS, when it always screws up? |
| 21:49.21 | diod | somiaj: in fact I use vlc routinely but some formats are not read so I use xone there |
| 21:49.23 | muncc2beo | somiaj: I did compile my own, I just can't remember if I put support for ATAPI cdrw devices in |
| 21:49.25 | eeyore- | ooh, kernel-source-2.4.23 is out. this one has patch i need for sbp2 |
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| 21:49.42 | yaman | unfun. |
| 21:49.58 | somiaj | ulitz: I think you have another error that forcing upgrading won't help, check the bts would be my first suggestion. |
| 21:50.00 | mentor | mwilson: Windows... |
| 21:50.16 | mwilson | mentor: What, other than nothing, does Windows have to do with it? |
| 21:50.28 | ulitz | somiaj: is there any way to skip this package? |
| 21:50.33 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I suggest check your config on your kernel. |
| 21:50.37 | JoePenguin | muncc2beo: I was reading the story on Slashdot about 2.6.0, and there are some threads about burning cds. I got the impression that you need a recent version of cdrecord, so you might want to install the one from unstable. There is the link to the slashdot story: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/12/18/0418205.shtml?tid=106 |
| 21:50.51 | ulitz | somiaj: it returned an error code of 1... whatever that means |
| 21:50.53 | xsdg | mwilson: what does CUPS mess up? |
| 21:50.56 | mentor | mwilson: Why do people continue to insist on using Windows, when it always screws up? ;) |
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| 21:51.22 | somiaj | ulitz: there is some other error going on that you need to work out first before trying to upgrade, what dose 'apt-get -f install' do? |
| 21:51.25 | muncc2beo | somiaj: do you happen to know which CONFIG_ option it is, in .config? |
| 21:51.34 | mwilson | xsdg: itself, apparently... someone somewhere is always whining about it. |
| 21:51.36 | diod | somiaj: how can I change fonts on Debian ? |
| 21:51.38 | tarzeau | mentor: the human wants the same once he got used to something |
| 21:51.46 | bipolar | is there a way to configure a usb memory key so that it's always the same device? Right now it depends which order I plug my usb devices in. I'd like to make an entry in fstab so that I can mount/unmount as user and in KDE. |
| 21:51.46 | tarzeau | diod: x or console? |
| 21:51.49 | somiaj | muncc2beo: no, I usally just look in 'make menuconfig' |
| 21:51.51 | xsdg | mwilson: hrm... works fine for me... ::shrug:: |
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| 21:51.59 | diod | tarzeau: I need it for xine so x |
| 21:52.08 | ulitz | somiaj: nothing.. same thing |
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| 21:52.13 | somiaj | diod: it depends what your using, x, console, gtk1, gtk2, qt, etc. |
| 21:52.43 | diod | somiaj: sawfish gnome 2.4 |
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| 21:53.10 | muncc2beo | somiaj: well, I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for. BLK_DEV_IDECD=y if that helps |
| 21:53.14 | diod | somiaj: I want to try to change the default font so that xine can maybe load it |
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| 21:53.26 | mwilson | xsdg: I never have a problem with lprng. |
| 21:53.34 | shortbus | i have a blank partition that i want to move /usr onto, any suggestions on how i should go about it? |
| 21:53.38 | mwilson | xsdg: Of course, I also own only real printers. |
| 21:53.50 | mwilson | shortbus: Hard Disk Upgrade HOWTO. |
| 21:53.53 | somiaj | diod: well gnome 2.4 uses gtk2 and you can get a program called switch2 to mess with the font settings, its in the package 'gtk-theme-switch' but I'm not sure if xine uses gtk1, 2 or qt. |
| 21:54.10 | mwilson | somiaj: None of the above, AFAIK |
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| 21:54.15 | xsdg | mwilson: and by real you mean PS? |
| 21:54.26 | mwilson | xsdg: Of course. |
| 21:54.32 | ulitz | somiaj: i know why it doesn't work... cups doesn't have any installable candidates |
| 21:54.34 | diod | somiaj: it says smth about xiTK .. but I dunno what it is |
| 21:55.03 | xsdg | mwilson: what printers? |
| 21:55.13 | somiaj | diod: hmm, well it sounds like xine is none of the above, as I said I don't use xine so I can't tell you how to change the font options. |
| 21:55.17 | mwilson | xsdg: LaserWriters all. :) |
| 21:55.33 | xsdg | ::blink:: |
| 21:55.35 | somiaj | muncc2beo: the config option is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD |
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| 21:55.48 | mwilson | xsdg: You've never heard of a LaserWriter? |
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| 21:55.55 | muncc2beo | somiaj: that is compiled in |
| 21:55.58 | diod | somiaj: ok thanx .. :( where would be default & system fonts ? |
| 21:56.01 | xsdg | mwilson: apple, right? |
| 21:56.05 | mwilson | xsdg: Yes. |
| 21:56.05 | streuner | mwilson: today we bought an HP 3650, it makes real nice prints, so why you think i need an PS printer? |
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| 21:56.10 | somiaj | ulitz: what is the first error you get. |
| 21:56.14 | eeyore- | mwilson: wait, that's the printer Gutenberg invented, right? |
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| 21:56.20 | xsdg | roflmao |
| 21:56.25 | xsdg | eeyore-: quotefiled |
| 21:56.32 | eeyore- | xsdg: :-) |
| 21:56.39 | mwilson | streuner: I never said anything about what YOU need, I said something about what *I* own. |
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| 21:56.53 | ulitz | it couldn't start cupsys |
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| 21:57.02 | ulitz | somiaj: that was for you |
| 21:57.13 | streuner | mwilson: ok, in other words: What are the advantages of PS printers? |
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| 21:57.21 | somiaj | muncc2beo: well I use scsi emulation for my drives because they work well with both cdparanoia and cdrecord (2.6 kernel), so if you want to go that route you may have to compile a new kernel. On the flip side 2.6 does suport ide burning so maybe upgrade to a newer cdrecord and go that route, the choice is up to you. |
| 21:57.37 | mwilson | eeyore-: As long as I can buy a 10 ppm 600 dpi laser with less than 10k pages for $15, I will continue to do so, no matter who invented them. |
| 21:57.49 | somiaj | ulitz: 'it couldn't start cupsys' I doubt that is an error, I can't guess what the error says or why it won't start. |
| 21:57.49 | eeyore- | streuner: you can solve 8-queen problems right on the printer? tell me that's not cool. |
| 21:57.55 | aphex | hey, I'm getting ready to do a net install for debian, I installed it before and the only question I have is how to install the newest kernel when I do the a clean install |
| 21:58.11 | muncc2beo | somiaj: OK, but I'll have to compile cdrecord, as I'm already using the latest available version from apt-get? |
| 21:58.18 | hinjo | I'm trying to install a isa-soundcard with an AZT1022-chipset. After the the installation och a new kernel and alsa I get an error message at boot saying: no /usr/sbin/alsactl for alsa 0.5. but the file exist |
| 21:58.21 | Icemaann | mwilson: where can u buy that? lol |
| 21:58.23 | cheecheeo | what's the tool that converts ext2 partitions to ext3? |
| 21:58.32 | somiaj | muncc2beo: what debian release, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 21:58.39 | cafuego | cheecheeo: tune2fs |
| 21:58.40 | muncc2beo | somiaj: sarge, err, testing |
| 21:58.48 | ulitz | somiaj: Starting CUPSys: cupsdinvoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed. that was the first error |
| 21:59.00 | cheecheeo | cafuego: thanks |
| 21:59.01 | diod | ok thanks guys |
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| 21:59.26 | somiaj | muncc2beo: you could try and grab the cdrecord from sid. |
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| 21:59.41 | daniel_ | fcntl: No locks available <- anyone know? |
| 21:59.42 | cafuego | somiaj: that won't run on anything else. |
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| 22:00.14 | somiaj | muncc2beo: cafuego is probably right, don't listen to me...(: |
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| 22:00.27 | ganja | eal: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 22:00.28 | muncc2beo | somiaj: so I'll have to compile? |
| 22:00.29 | somiaj | cafuego: you have any suggestions on weither to use ide or scsi emu burning for 2.6 kernels? |
| 22:00.39 | cafuego | somiaj: ide |
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| 22:00.53 | ganja | i have try apt-get install xchat |
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| 22:00.57 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: dismount the partition first, unless you want a .journal file |
| 22:00.58 | Icemaann | ive used ide with cdrecord |
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| 22:01.11 | cafuego | somiaj: scsi emu burning under 2.6 causes the odd kernel panic. |
| 22:01.23 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: yeah, I'm reading the man page, I'm tired of fscking the ext2 drive |
| 22:01.27 | somiaj | cafuego: what version of cdrecord do you need for that? (muncc2beo is trying to use ide burning but having issues, someone mentioned it could be the version cdrecord he is using) |
| 22:01.37 | sirk | Im having problems with compiling vpopmail and i dont know how to resolve the errors. Could someone take a peek at them in #flood? |
| 22:01.45 | somiaj | cafuego: well thanks for the input..(: |
| 22:01.52 | cafuego | somiaj: I have 2.0+a19-6 (sid) |
| 22:02.12 | muncc2beo | Mine: Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J?rg Schilling |
| 22:02.44 | cafuego | muncc2beo: That'll happily atapi-burn then. |
| 22:02.52 | somiaj | muncc2beo: I would suggst asking google for a 2.6 kernel ide cdrecord howto and see what it says. |
| 22:02.57 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: in addition to journal, you also have to tune it for "maximal mount count" and "time between fsck" |
| 22:03.04 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# apt-get install xchat E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 22:03.06 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: also part of tune2fs |
| 22:03.07 | ulitz | somiaj: Starting CUPSys: cupsdinvoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed. that was the first error |
| 22:03.18 | xsdg | eeyore-: "and now for the dismount" :o) |
| 22:03.19 | cafuego | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -v -eject -data foo.iso |
| 22:03.25 | xsdg | eeyore-: although my timing is a bit off on that |
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| 22:03.39 | ganja | xsdg u can help me? |
| 22:03.39 | yaman | how do i make a fat32 fs? i dont have mkfs.fat32 |
| 22:03.43 | eeyore- | xsdg: blame it on lag |
| 22:03.46 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: well yeah, the drive are having some sort of issue, I'm hoping that upgrading em to ext3 will help? |
| 22:03.49 | cafuego | yaman: install mkfs.fat32 |
| 22:03.58 | yaman | cafuego: i dont have that package |
| 22:04.03 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: wait wait ... ext3 is not a cure for "some sort of issue" |
| 22:04.03 | ganja | anyone can help me? |
| 22:04.08 | cafuego | ~stab yaman |
| 22:04.12 | yaman | :) |
| 22:04.17 | somiaj | ulitz: I don't know what to say, sorry I can't be of any help. |
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| 22:04.27 | Nurbs | /msg dpkg find mkfs.fat32 |
| 22:04.32 | xsdg | ganja: looks like you have a dpkg running somewhere |
| 22:04.36 | yaman | cafuego: i installed dosfstools, but it didnt have fat32 |
| 22:04.44 | ganja | i have reboot the system |
| 22:04.45 | xsdg | ganja: ps ax | grep dpkg |
| 22:04.51 | xsdg | ganja: oh... hrm... |
| 22:04.55 | hinjo | I'm trying to install a isa-soundcard with an AZT1022-chipset. After the the installation och a new kernel and alsa I get an error message at boot saying: no /usr/sbin/alsactl for alsa 0.5. but the file exist |
| 22:05.01 | ulitz | somiaj: you already helped enough with the -f install part... thanks |
| 22:05.06 | muncc2beo | cafuego: if hdc is ATAPI:0,0,0. what is hdd? |
| 22:05.08 | eeyore- | ganja: ps ax | grep bong |
| 22:05.08 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: when I play mp3's they just stop at certain parts, when I fsck -pcf the drives a couple times, they seem to get fixed |
| 22:05.10 | mentor | *caough* vfat *cough* |
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| 22:05.25 | cafuego | muncc2beo: 0,1,0 probably |
| 22:05.33 | Nurbs | use -scanbus |
| 22:05.42 | xsdg | Nurbs: does scanbus work with ATAPI? |
| 22:05.45 | Nurbs | cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 22:05.47 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: that sounds more like you don't have enough buffering in mp3 player application |
| 22:05.49 | cafuego | yaman: man mkfs.vfat |
| 22:05.49 | xsdg | Nurbs: cool |
| 22:05.55 | Nurbs | it's really not well documented, but it works :) |
| 22:05.59 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: "use more buffer", or use a better player program |
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| 22:06.09 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# grep dbkp |
| 22:06.11 | ganja | nothing happens |
| 22:06.17 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: I'm using xmms, ill up it a bit |
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| 22:06.38 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: it (your computer) might have been swapping at the time |
| 22:06.44 | yaman | cafuego: there we go, thanks |
| 22:06.47 | Nurbs | ganja: uhm, how about entering the complete command? |
| 22:07.12 | deejoe | yaman: more generally, dpkg -L dosfstools | grep bin |
| 22:07.24 | xsdg | ganja: ps ax | grep -i dpkg |
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| 22:08.04 | yaman | im having some toruble here.. i was able to have my card working in KNOPPIX LiveCD, but in a fresh debian install, it just doesnt want to work. i'm using X4.3, kernel 2.4.23.. i have an ati mobility radeon u1 with an IGP northridge chipset, and im using the same XF86Config-4 file, but now it says No screens found. I do have the radeon module loaded, and X has it also |
| 22:08.22 | xsdg | ganja: if you're sure no other dpkg is running, remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 22:08.32 | mwilson | XF4.3 is in no "fresh Debian install". |
| 22:08.37 | grew | yaman: fresh debian install? wrong |
| 22:08.42 | xsdg | Nurbs: fat32? |
| 22:08.43 | ganja | thx guys |
| 22:08.51 | ganja | its work |
| 22:08.52 | ulitz | somiaj: is there any way i can skip the upgrading of cupsys? |
| 22:08.57 | xsdg | Nurbs: mkfs.vfat -F 32 or something like that |
| 22:08.59 | yaman | grew: almost..heh |
| 22:09.02 | xsdg | Nurbs: check the mkfs.vfat docs |
| 22:09.10 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: hm |
| 22:09.20 | yaman | grew: meaning i havent done enough to mess things up yet.. at least i dont think so |
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| 22:09.25 | grew | yaman: dont come here asking for help if you are going to run experimental packages, downgrade to the debian package and come back |
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| 22:09.32 | Nurbs | xsdg: uh, what? |
| 22:09.33 | eeyore- | yaman: might be refresh rates that's outside your monitor range, according to V/H settings in XF86Config-4 |
| 22:09.36 | cyris | anyone here use dyndns? Isn't it supposed to check my IP every so often to see if it has changed and then update itself?? |
| 22:09.40 | DarioT | hi to all, I've a problem with Debian PPC |
| 22:09.40 | Nurbs | xsdg: I don't need no stinking fat :9 |
| 22:09.43 | grew | or figure it out yourself |
| 22:09.45 | DarioT | anyone can help me? |
| 22:09.48 | cyris | it seems that when my ppp0 connection gets disconnected and reconnects then dyndns fails to check if the ip has changed |
| 22:09.49 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: /dev/hdb2: 1988/2443200 files (5.4% non-contiguous), 3547224/4885768 blocks does that help? |
| 22:09.54 | tarzeau | is there a voice program that can talk with more than 2 people? |
| 22:09.55 | cyris | leaving me unable to connect |
| 22:09.57 | xsdg | Nurbs: (22.04.27) < Nurbs> /msg dpkg find mkfs.fat32 |
| 22:09.58 | yaman | eeyore-: no, they work |
| 22:10.00 | xsdg | Nurbs: whom was that for? |
| 22:10.00 | eeyore- | cheecheeo: that doesn't matter :) |
| 22:10.08 | Nurbs | xsdg: can't remember :) |
| 22:10.10 | tarzeau | i have microphone |
| 22:10.20 | yaman | grew: i had the same problem with X4.2. |
| 22:10.23 | cyris | ddclient rather |
| 22:10.28 | grew | ~tell DarioT about debianppc |
| 22:10.31 | DarioT | or anyone can tell to me a ppc repository to upgrade to the testing? |
| 22:10.31 | eeyore- | yaman: well ... the "no screen found" is pretty worthless as far as description of the problem goes. the real cause is a few lines up. |
| 22:10.37 | grew | err |
| 22:10.38 | cheecheeo | eeyore-: I bumped up the buffer to 256kb for mp3's and oggs and ill see how this works |
| 22:10.39 | Nurbs | xsdg: but it was only meant as a demonstration on how to find a package which contains some file with dpkg :) |
| 22:10.41 | cheecheeo | thanks for the help |
| 22:10.43 | grew | isnt there a #debian-ppc |
| 22:10.45 | xsdg | Nurbs: aah |
| 22:10.45 | yaman | eeyore-: No devices detected |
| 22:10.45 | grew | or something |
| 22:10.50 | tarzeau | there is #debianppc |
| 22:10.55 | DarioT | ok sorry |
| 22:10.59 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 22:11.05 | tarzeau | DarioT: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 22:11.06 | DarioT | i'm going to #debianppc |
| 22:11.07 | tarzeau | i use them for ppc |
| 22:11.14 | eeyore- | yaman: are you sure you are using the correct driver for your card? |
| 22:11.25 | DarioT | tarzeau: tnx!! |
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| 22:11.35 | eeyore- | yaman: knoppix might very well be using fb driver |
| 22:11.56 | yaman | eeyore-: are you asking about X driver or kernel driver? |
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| 22:12.55 | tizz | people, anybody experience with alsa? i installed the 2.6-kernel and also installed the right modules for my hardware. the mixer also works almost perfect, but i cannot mute pcm, cd or line... if the volume is at 0% i still hear the sound but really silent |
| 22:13.04 | DarioT | my problem is related to the usb mouse of my imac |
| 22:13.20 | *** part/#debian cheecheeo (~chee1@pdx-ppp11.pop1.net) |
| 22:13.33 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock bash: remove: command not found |
| 22:13.56 | ganja | k |
| 22:13.59 | xsdg | ganja: rm |
| 22:13.59 | mwilson | "remove"? |
| 22:14.05 | eeyore- | too much ganja |
| 22:14.05 | ganja | ok |
| 22:14.17 | RainbowW | is there a good auto-setup utility that will set up cups to work with an hp deskjet series printer connected to parport? |
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| 22:15.04 | cam_ | can someone tell me when i do the debain woody install how i can get the newest packages available |
| 22:15.08 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# GANJA:/home/ganja# rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock bash: GANJA:/home/ganja#: No such file or directory |
| 22:15.09 | cam_ | so i get gnome 2.6 |
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| 22:15.29 | DarioT | mine problem is with the use mouse of the iMac |
| 22:15.30 | mwilson | Gnome 2.6 would have to exist, first. |
| 22:15.34 | RainbowW | cam_: That would be impressive. |
| 22:15.41 | cam_ | what is the newest gnome at the moment |
| 22:15.46 | xsdg | cam_: 1.3 |
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| 22:16.02 | TML | Is there a way to convince dpkg that it is installed? |
| 22:16.03 | mage | 2.4 stable 2.5 unstable |
| 22:16.04 | RainbowW | cam: I bet if you looked -really-really- hard at their website (guess the url!) you'd figure it out. |
| 22:16.05 | tarzeau | DarioT: what exactly? |
| 22:16.05 | TML | "dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support" |
| 22:16.09 | xsdg | ganja: hrm... if that's not working, and you're root, I don't know what's up |
| 22:16.09 | tarzeau | DarioT: does it not work? |
| 22:16.17 | tarzeau | DarioT: look my conf file, www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ in powerpc i think |
| 22:16.20 | xsdg | TML: ick |
| 22:16.22 | cam_ | RainbowW really? |
| 22:16.23 | DarioT | I've configured it to point to /dev/input/mice |
| 22:16.25 | cam_ | gee i didn't know that |
| 22:16.30 | xsdg | brb |
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| 22:16.40 | DarioT | but when i move it on the screen goes where it want |
| 22:16.41 | mentor | cam_: You probably mean Linux 2.6 |
| 22:16.44 | mwilson | cam_: Obviously not. |
| 22:16.45 | RainbowW | cam_: Now you know. Look for answers before asking unguardedly stupid questions. |
| 22:16.47 | DarioT | sorry for my english, i'm italian |
| 22:16.51 | trovador | anyone here use cdrdao 1.1.8 to copy audio cd's on the fly? i'm trying to get cdburning working well in kernel 2.6 but i've had trouble with on-the-fly using cdrdao!? |
| 22:16.52 | mwilson | There's no such thing as Linux 2.6, either. |
| 22:16.56 | mentor | cam_: For what definition of 'newest packages'? |
| 22:17.02 | mentor | cam_: You probably mean Linux 2.6.0 |
| 22:17.09 | TML | xsdg: ick is right |
| 22:17.23 | cam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.25 | tarzeau | cockroach: guets neus |
| 22:17.35 | cockroach | tarzeau: merssi gliichfalls |
| 22:17.56 | ganja | hum schwizer |
| 22:18.13 | tarzeau | ganja: nei ebe nüd |
| 22:18.17 | tarzeau | apt tarzeau |
| 22:18.18 | | tarzeau: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:18.18 | *** part/#debian dotcomguy (denny@dddbox.triple-d.us) |
| 22:18.22 | tarzeau | dpkg tarzeau |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | somebody said tarzeau was http://www.linuks.mine.nu, or sengun@hispeed.ch. NOT swiss, only living in switzerland, or looking for a job that has something to do with networking and development based on debian, http://www.guerkan.ch |
| 22:18.24 | TML | xsdg: This isn't my hardware, so I don't know what caused this, but is there a file I can search for on the tapes that would fix that? |
| 22:18.30 | tarzeau | ganja: türke! |
| 22:18.49 | tarzeau | dpkg tarzeau is also http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~hamberg/files/mustafa_sandal_-_araba.mp3 |
| 22:18.49 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 22:19.33 | tizz | tarzeau: you seem to be everywhere active! |
| 22:19.35 | TML | "dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support" <-- This isn't my hardware, so I don't know what caused this, but is there a file I can search for on the tapes that would fix that? |
| 22:19.48 | tarzeau | tizz: you are everywhere too |
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| 22:20.04 | tarzeau | tizz: does /whois tarzeau show you what channels i'm in ? |
| 22:20.08 | tarzeau | (i hope not :) |
| 22:20.27 | mentor | tarzeau: #hurd and here. |
| 22:20.34 | guk | all I see is #debian |
| 22:20.38 | tarzeau | mentor: no the maximum freenode allows :) |
| 22:20.40 | guk | the channels your in must be "hidden" |
| 22:20.41 | DarioT | tarzeau: have you understood the problem with my mouse? |
| 22:20.49 | _Pol_ | where can I see which packages are held back when upgrading ? |
| 22:20.49 | tarzeau | guk: no they are public |
| 22:20.54 | guk | uhh oh |
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| 22:21.03 | guk | [17:20] ùíù channels : #debian |
| 22:21.06 | guk | this is all I see |
| 22:21.08 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i see #shower-fantasies in the channel list |
| 22:21.10 | tarzeau | DarioT: wrong protocol |
| 22:21.15 | tarzeau | eye69: puahaha |
| 22:21.15 | ryuujin | argh, when will zignig come back? |
| 22:21.25 | ryuujin | does anyone have the complete logfile from yesterday? |
| 22:21.29 | ryuujin | from this channel? |
| 22:21.30 | tizz | tarzeau: it shows only the channels you're in on the server i'm askin' from |
| 22:21.36 | DarioT | ok, i think that microsoft is not the right protocol, should i try with IMPS/2? |
| 22:21.39 | tarzeau | 23:21 [debian] -!- channels : #nethack #hurd #debian #sparc #debian.tr #macscene #arabeyes #debian.de #linux.ch |
| 22:21.42 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.46 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.47 | mentor | eeyore-: Are you looking at the right kind of list? |
| 22:21.51 | tarzeau | sorry |
| 22:21.58 | guk | I used to be in all the channels EFnet would aloow (on some servers 40 channels) |
| 22:21.58 | eeyore- | mentor: possibly not |
| 22:22.04 | Quibus | #windowmaker? |
| 22:22.05 | mentor | tarzeau: grrr. |
| 22:22.09 | tarzeau | #windows is like #doors, it has nothing to do with microsoft |
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| 22:22.21 | tarzeau | Quibus: yes? |
| 22:22.40 | Quibus | tarzeau: are they planning to be GNOME2 compliant, as far as you know? ;) |
| 22:22.42 | streuner | heh |
| 22:22.43 | oskie | whadya know, 'MS User, this is the latest version of security update' 150K |
| 22:22.54 | tarzeau | Quibus: aren't they? who cares? there is GNUstep! |
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| 22:23.45 | Quibus | tarzeau: heheh... :) I used the GNOME panel (2.x since a while) and I couldn't do that anuymore, since the Windowmaker windows aren't found by the GNOME Window List applet... :/ |
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| 22:23.56 | tarzeau | Quibus: tried amiwm ever? |
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| 22:24.02 | tarzeau | Quibus: yuck! |
| 22:24.05 | diod | Hi again |
| 22:24.05 | Quibus | tarzeau: never |
| 22:24.19 | mentor | tarzeau: It was the flood I was 'grrr.'ing at |
| 22:24.20 | tarzeau | Quibus: it's not meant you run gnome and windowmaker, but run windowmaker and gnome software (not the ugly desktop) |
| 22:24.32 | tarzeau | mentor: yes i notice, but it was fine, i wasn't kicked ;) |
| 22:24.33 | oskie | hmm.. the Bitlbee concept is quite interesting. a daemon that acts as an irc server on your own computer, interfacing to other instant messaging nets through irc |
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| 22:24.48 | mentor | tarzeau: No, but I growled at you. |
| 22:24.49 | tarzeau | Quibus: you should! www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 22:24.53 | drwarner | is there a gnome "task" anymore? |
| 22:24.54 | Quibus | tarzeau: hey, I just wanted some applets |
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| 22:25.04 | tarzeau | mentor: i noticed, but chose not to say anything |
| 22:25.19 | Kawfee | tarzeau, yo! |
| 22:25.21 | mage | it looks ... ugly :) |
| 22:25.23 | De_Mon | im trying to setup an ingress qdisc (tc qdisc add dev ppp0 ingress) and get an RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument. I havent been able to turn up anything useful from archives |
| 22:25.23 | tarzeau | Quibus: why not use dockapps, did you know there's wmboobies ? |
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| 22:25.28 | oskie | tarzeau: is that actually running on an amiga? or is it just the wm? |
| 22:25.30 | paul | i have an xfs partitioned hard disk that i can run a dir command on but i can't run ls (when i run ls it says it lost hdc's iq or somethign to that nature.. can i fix this somehow? |
| 22:25.37 | mentor | tarzeau: I mean, me growling at you is an event in itself. |
| 22:25.39 | Quibus | tarzeau: ehm... now *that's* ugly... ;) |
| 22:25.43 | mentor | tarzeau: Wars have started over less. |
| 22:25.45 | tarzeau | oskie: just the wm! but if you like amiga also look at www.linuks.mine.nu/amigashell/ |
| 22:25.48 | drwarner | apt, tell me about gnome |
| 22:25.49 | mentor | tarzeau: ;) |
| 22:25.58 | tarzeau | heh :) |
| 22:26.02 | Deanocide | how do you find out which program is using port 4662 |
| 22:26.04 | diod | Have u ever met KDGKBENT error ?? |
| 22:26.11 | TML | Deanocide: netstat -pant |
| 22:26.17 | TML | Deanocide: as root |
| 22:26.18 | drwarner | apt, tell me about gnome2 |
| 22:26.20 | patter | Deanocide: netstat -ltu |
| 22:26.23 | diod | I just met it afetr a failed dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:26.27 | mentor | drwarner: You can /msg apt |
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| 22:26.40 | wwarner | has anyone see VFS can't mount root file system errors when upgrading to 2.6? |
| 22:26.45 | drwarner | mentor, that's great, but completely useless to me. |
| 22:26.46 | Quibus | ANyone here knows something about hotplug? |
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| 22:26.52 | LoRez | wwarner: sounds like you forgot something |
| 22:26.54 | mentor | drwarner: er...why? |
| 22:26.56 | Deanocide | it says netscape is listening on port 5180 |
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| 22:27.09 | oskie | tarzeau: hehe, nice |
| 22:27.12 | drwarner | mentor, because apt tells me that it doesn't know anything that I can use. |
| 22:27.20 | wwarner | I have the initrd.img file made correctly I have ide drivers compiled and ext2 and 3 fs compiled into the kernel |
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| 22:27.32 | streuner | wwarner: serveral time with other versions, so make the FS you would use not as module compile it into kernel. |
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| 22:27.38 | streuner | s/time/times/ |
| 22:27.40 | mentor | drwarner: The answer you get out of apt is independent of the fact tha tyou should be /msg;ing him :) |
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| 22:27.47 | LoRez | drwarner: it's not going to tell you any more or less if you /msg it |
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| 22:28.04 | drwarner | mentor, LoRez, as I've said, that's no help at all. |
| 22:28.04 | mentor | drwarner: I should imagine the best way to find out if their is a GNOME task would be to look. |
| 22:28.16 | streuner | wwarner: did you edit /etc/lilo.conf? |
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| 22:28.29 | drwarner | mentor, that's great, I've done apt-cache searches, and I've looked everywhere I can think. |
| 22:28.30 | wwarner | streuner: yes |
| 22:28.38 | mentor | drwarner: tasks != packages |
| 22:28.46 | LoRez | drwarner: you're making no sense |
| 22:28.49 | mentor | drwarner: And still, you should have /msg'ed apt. |
| 22:28.51 | Deanocide | where do you get nslookup? |
| 22:28.54 | Quibus | I got my Trust mobile camera working, but the hotplug script isn't executed which sets up my USB device permissions. Does anyone have an idea why? (The guys in #gphoto don't know...) |
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| 22:29.02 | streuner | !find nslookup |
| 22:29.09 | drwarner | mentor, so do you have a useful suggestion, or are you going to continue yammering on about apt? |
| 22:29.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (7 shown; 12 total): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/ptknslookup) in net/ptknettools ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/kaptain/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain ;; (/usr/share/moobot/modules/nslookup.py) in net/moobot ;; (/usr/share/TekNap/help/1_General/nslookup) in net/teknap ;; (/usr/lib/bitchx/help/1_General/nslookup.bz2) in net/bitchx. |
| 22:29.21 | Quibus | !find usb.usermap |
| 22:29.22 | wwarner | I must be just spaceing something |
| 22:29.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usb.usermap' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/sulu/notes/hotplug/usb.usermap) in utils/sulu. |
| 22:29.34 | wwarner | I am not a novice kernel upgrader, or what ever |
| 22:29.38 | streuner | !tell Deanocide about search |
| 22:29.55 | Quibus | thanks, dpkg |
| 22:30.01 | wwarner | just havent used 2.6 yet |
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| 22:30.10 | Quibus | But it's not helpful :) |
| 22:30.22 | wwarner | and both the 2.6.0-test9 package and a home built kernel do the exact same thing |
| 22:30.28 | mentor | drwarner: Are you going to continue to be obtuse or are you going to listen to my instruction on the use of this channel? |
| 22:31.19 | streuner | wwarner: well... |
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| 22:31.36 | drwarner | mentor, this isn't my first visit here. I know the rules. |
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| 22:31.49 | wwarner | streuner: is it the same mkinitrd command as 2.4? |
| 22:31.59 | streuner | wwarner: just copy the .config from them to the right folder |
| 22:32.04 | drwarner | mentor, perhaps more importantly, "apt, tell me about" results in NO channel output from the bot. |
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| 22:32.24 | LoRez | drwarner: this is why it's pointless to do it. use /msg apt <factoid> |
| 22:32.26 | drwarner | mentor, so unless you've got something useful to say to me, thanks for the help. |
| 22:32.27 | mentor | drwarner: Yes, just your channel output. |
| 22:32.28 | streuner | wwarner: no idea, i wouldn't use intrid-kernels |
| 22:32.39 | tarzeau | cyris: good night, sweet dreams |
| 22:32.42 | wwarner | streuner: I have tried both |
| 22:32.48 | tarzeau | s/cyris/cyberyo/ |
| 22:32.55 | cyberyo | thks |
| 22:32.56 | cyberyo | you too |
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| 22:33.01 | wwarner | streuner: the one from tkernel package requires an initrd due to the ide stuff being modules |
| 22:33.03 | drwarner | LoRez, mentor, yeah, and then when you ask the channel, the first thing people like you suggest is checking with the bots. Are you done playing with semantics yet? |
| 22:33.08 | tarzeau | cyberyo: i don't need dreams, i have girlfriend |
| 22:33.10 | Occular | Hya. Simple question - How does one use /bin files under Debian? |
| 22:33.20 | LoRez | drwarner: see the topic? you can check with the bots in private =) |
| 22:33.22 | wwarner | streuner: but my home built kernel has ide and fs drivers compiled in |
| 22:33.27 | LoRez | and we're not playing |
| 22:33.32 | JimButton | Occular: what are /bin files? |
| 22:33.43 | Occular | .bin, even. |
| 22:33.47 | streuner | wwarner: maybe you alter the .config file? |
| 22:33.50 | tarzeau | Occular: what does file the.bin say? |
| 22:33.50 | Occular | Sorry bout that. |
| 22:33.54 | drwarner | lorez, true, you're just frustrating me. |
| 22:34.09 | wwarner | streuner: other than with make config and make gconfig I didn't touch it by hand |
| 22:34.10 | JimButton | Occular: hmmm, is that some sort of CD image or what? |
| 22:34.22 | mentor | drwarner: OK. when Channel moderators inform you of the rules/guidelines, the correct response is 'OK'; Not: "Why aren't you helping me?" |
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| 22:34.41 | mentor | drwarner: Oddly enough, you're frustrating us. |
| 22:34.47 | Occular | Well, LimeWire for Linux is downloaded as a .bin |
| 22:34.50 | streuner | wwarner: just take one of the .configs of the last test-x kernel and use that without initrd |
| 22:34.56 | ulitz | what is a good program to transfer a wma file to ogg or mp3 |
| 22:35.00 | tarzeau | Occular: sh ./the.bin will start it |
| 22:35.07 | cafuego | oh oops |
| 22:35.16 | tarzeau | ulitz: mencoder maybe, i'm not sure |
| 22:35.28 | tarzeau | ulitz: it's called convert, not transfer |
| 22:35.33 | mentor | drwarner: It might help, if you informed us in which release you are trying to find a GNOME 'task' |
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| 22:35.41 | tarzeau | ulitz: transfer is when you move soemthing from one place to another |
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| 22:35.45 | knoppix | hola |
| 22:35.45 | mentor | drwarner: Do you know how to use tasks? |
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| 22:35.52 | tarzeau | ulitz: maybe you meant transform |
| 22:35.53 | Quibus | well guys |
| 22:35.55 | wwarner | streuner: thanks I'll give it a try. |
| 22:35.56 | Quibus | Gnite! |
| 22:35.57 | ulitz | tarzeau: was trying to think of a better word but figured someone knew what i meant |
| 22:36.01 | knoppix | necesito ayuda en debian en español |
| 22:36.04 | Quibus | No one seems to know about hotplug... :( |
| 22:36.05 | JimButton | Occular: cdrdao might know how to burn them on CD |
| 22:36.06 | tarzeau | ulitz: smart! :) |
| 22:36.07 | ulitz | convert is good |
| 22:36.09 | jello | ~spanish |
| 22:36.10 | | rumour has it, spanish is much easier though. Fewer vowels, and more phonetic. |
| 22:36.11 | Deanocide | for some reason in snort i have all these connections to port 4662 |
| 22:36.14 | jello | !spanish |
| 22:36.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 22:36.17 | JimButton | Occular: but as far as i know you still need a .cue or .toc for it |
| 22:36.23 | drwarner | mentor, yes, thanks. There isn't one for gnome. Since then, I've found the solution elsewhere. |
| 22:36.26 | Occular | Thanks, Tarzeau. |
| 22:36.26 | tarzeau | Deanocide: try run a sniffer to see what they say |
| 22:36.26 | _durin_ | i have sun's latest jdk, and javac says it is missing libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 what do i _really_ need? |
| 22:36.26 | ulitz | tarzeau: so i should try mencoder |
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| 22:36.34 | mentor | drwarner: Well done. |
| 22:36.35 | tarzeau | ulitz: it comes with mplayer (not packaged) |
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| 22:36.45 | ulitz | yeah i know |
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| 22:37.10 | Occular | Thanks anyway, Jim. But it's got nothing to do with CDs. |
| 22:37.13 | JimButton | oops, so that is a different bin |
| 22:37.16 | JimButton | ok, nevermind |
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| 22:38.07 | Deanocide | tarzeau: I've been paranoid ever since my hard disk keeps going on for no reason every 5 minutes |
| 22:38.18 | knt | hi all, could somebody help on how to fix that err message coming at boot up: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture... can't register device seq..." |
| 22:38.43 | tarzeau | Deanocide: what does dmesg say? |
| 22:38.51 | tarzeau | Deanocide: who is the manufacturer of the harddisk? |
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| 22:39.03 | drwarner | knt, the sequencer is intended for midi use. if you don't specifically need it, don't worry about it. |
| 22:39.04 | tarzeau | Deanocide: does the harddisk make music? how hot is it? |
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| 22:39.32 | Deanocide | I dunno |
| 22:39.37 | tarzeau | knt: ahh bak sana ne buldum: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~hamberg/files/mustafa_sandal_-_araba.mp3 |
| 22:39.54 | Deanocide | dmesg just says "eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 22:39.54 | ulitz | can mplayer play wma with the codecs? |
| 22:39.55 | Serialkiller | how do i imprt a reg into my winex3 reg? |
| 22:39.58 | tarzeau | ulitz: sure |
| 22:40.10 | knt | tarzeau: zuhahahaha |
| 22:40.50 | knt | drwarner: actually i don't need it but i don't want to see such an error. also ALSA gave such a message too: ALSA device list: No soundcards found. |
| 22:40.58 | knt | drwarner: how can i fix both of them? |
| 22:41.00 | tarzeau | knt: http://www.geocities.com/struwwellpeter/misc/mustafa-araba.htm |
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| 22:41.47 | drwarner | knt, the seq error you can ignore. The "No soundcards found" is more problematic. You need to read the alsa docs where they specifically mention your soundcard. |
| 22:42.17 | cafuego | tarzeau: My cat is making webpages now? |
| 22:42.34 | tarzeau | cafuego: can i see? |
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| 22:42.49 | wwarner | streun other than ide and fs drivers is there any thing else I need in the kernel to not need initrd? |
| 22:42.50 | cafuego | tarzeau: mustafa-foo.htm ... ? up there? |
| 22:42.55 | drwarner | gone |
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| 22:43.06 | tarzeau | cafuego: your cat is called mustafa? |
| 22:43.10 | cafuego | tarzeau: Yep |
| 22:43.26 | tarzeau | cafuego: heheheehe no this is mustafa sandal, a turkish singer |
| 22:43.30 | Serialkiller | does anyone know how i can add entrys for game sin winex registry? |
| 22:43.32 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 22:43.39 | tarzeau | cafuego: he sings that song, see it's translated in the url above |
| 22:43.41 | knt | drwarner: i looked at inux/Documentation but couldn't find any answer. if you're familiar with them, can you help me how to fix it? |
| 22:44.08 | tarzeau | cafuego: we're having great fun in #demoscene and knt is a turkish friend in #debian.tr |
| 22:44.16 | tarzeau | cafuego: btw he does www.linuks.mine.nu/volkany/ |
| 22:44.21 | tarzeau | the great Debian ART! |
| 22:44.39 | vance | is there a clean way to determine which user is currently logged into X, and to execute an X program as that user? |
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| 22:45.19 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: tarz! |
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| 22:45.50 | sgeigerbot | vance: who or w...and then su - <user> |
| 22:45.54 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: did I say that? |
| 22:45.58 | cafuego | tarzeau: Is he the one that needed the font? |
| 22:45.59 | sirk | is anyone using vqadmin for qmail? I have a really simple question. |
| 22:46.03 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: who else? |
| 22:46.18 | tarzeau | cafuego: no i wanted it for www.cafeshops.com/lesbianlinux/ but i gave it to him too :) |
| 22:46.27 | tarzeau | and it's here for everyone , now www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-font/ |
| 22:46.44 | vance | sgeigerbot: yes, but can I determine which display is currently on the monitor? |
| 22:47.03 | vance | tarzeau: or do I just force the screen to always appear on :0 ? |
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| 22:47.16 | modus | my mouse is freaking out ever since i tried to upgreade from xserver-svga to xserver-xfree86. even when i change it back, the symptoms are the same: rodent pointer jumps around unpredictably and clicks when i have not clicked. |
| 22:47.22 | vance | tarzeau: err, oops, that was meant to sgeigerbot |
| 22:47.28 | modus | s/upgreade/upgrade |
| 22:47.32 | cafuego | tarzeau: be careful having that online, it's non-free. |
| 22:47.33 | tarzeau | modus: that's from 3.3 to 4.x ? |
| 22:47.36 | sgeigerbot | vance: ah. I'm not sure. |
| 22:47.36 | ulitz | does anyone know a good program to stream music over a network... icecast or what? |
| 22:47.51 | tarzeau | cafuego: i have not linked it anywhere |
| 22:48.00 | modus | tarzeau: yep, but I have switched it back and forth many times to no effect. |
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| 22:48.15 | tarzeau | modus: delete all /etc/X11/XF86Config* |
| 22:48.21 | tarzeau | modus: and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:48.49 | cyris | I have this message repeating itself in every terminal on my machine, apm: set display: Power management disabled Anyone know how to make it stop ?? |
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| 22:49.12 | cafuego | tarzeau: But there may be traitors in our midst! |
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| 22:49.35 | sgeigerbot | vance: If you know which display is in use, you can do: "export DISPLAY=:0.0; xeyes" to make xeyes pop up on the screen. Does that help? |
| 22:49.37 | modus | tarzeau: you mean xfree86-4 might be confused by other old config files? |
| 22:49.54 | tarzeau | modus: i don't know, just do it |
| 22:50.21 | modus | tarzeau: i will try backing that stuff up and blowing it away ... back soon |
| 22:50.26 | sgeigerbot | vance: If you do "su - <user>" and then do "echo $DISPLAY" you should know which display they are using, I think. In that case. Hmm...I'm not really sure. |
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| 22:50.38 | sandman | How to put system into standby? |
| 22:50.40 | cyris | apm: set display: Power management disabled how can I stop this message from repeating over and over again in every terminal? |
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| 22:51.11 | sgeigerbot | If I want to do nested backticks, how can I do that? Example of what I would like to do: less `egrep -i -L sgeiger `find /home/postfixfilter/ -mtime -2 -daystart -print` | grep -v journal` |
| 22:51.16 | vance | sgeigerbot: I don't think so... su - doesn't set DISPLAY (or, at least, not for me...) |
| 22:51.24 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: you can do $() and `` |
| 22:51.30 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: use variables |
| 22:51.32 | vance | sgeigerbot: $() nests |
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| 22:51.35 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Use $(/bin/grep) combinations. |
| 22:51.54 | sandman | acpid -sleep, right? |
| 22:52.18 | diod | Have u ever met KDGKBENT error ?? a dpkg-reconfigure console-data just failed with it ! |
| 22:52.23 | _sam | is there a way to sort of downgrade my system? |
| 22:52.41 | cafuego | _sam: Not really, no. |
| 22:52.47 | sandman | _sam: Hah, no. If you want downgrade ability, see: #gentoo |
| 22:52.59 | sandman | No pun intended. |
| 22:53.00 | _sam | i have some packages (notably, apt) from experimental and want to just reinstall their versions from unstable |
| 22:53.04 | sandman | Seriously, Gentoo is alright. |
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| 22:53.22 | streuner | sandman: troll elsewhere :-) |
| 22:53.28 | Active2 | _sam: pin the release on unstable |
| 22:53.34 | Active2 | and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:53.40 | cafuego | sandman: Gentoo takes 48 hours to compile, it sucks. |
| 22:53.58 | _sam | good ideer |
| 22:54.03 | sgeigerbot | vance: Hmmm...then maybe you would have to set DISPLAY manually. |
| 22:54.27 | Hyper | How can i calc the blocks on a partition? i need to resize my ext2 but i cant calc. the blocks on the partition i want to resize. Its LVM. |
| 22:54.39 | sandman | cafuego: I installed Gentoo in 30 minutes. |
| 22:54.41 | vance | sgeigerbot: I think I'm just going to hardcode the display and user :( |
| 22:54.57 | tarzeau | cafuego: i agree |
| 22:55.13 | tarzeau | cafuego: tried it on a low-end machine like 486 or sparc classic? |
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| 22:55.27 | sandman | tarzeau: I've tried it on a 486 |
| 22:55.39 | xj220 | sandman : the problem is when you have used it over a year ;) |
| 22:55.44 | cafuego | sandman: You installed gentoo in 30 minutes on a 486? |
| 22:55.45 | sandman | tarzeau: Installs in bout an hour. |
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| 22:56.03 | sandman | cafuego: Not 30, bout an hour. Really depends on what you want on it, though |
| 22:56.09 | streuner | Don't feed the troll |
| 22:56.10 | _sam | Active2: just one dumb question, how do i pin the release to unstable? |
| 22:56.14 | cafuego | sandman: You obviously didn't compile anything then, eh? Which defeats the purpose, since it's designed to be "faster by custom compiling" |
| 22:56.15 | tarzeau | streuner: hahaha |
| 22:56.29 | cafuego | sandman: COmpiling a kernel on a 486 takes over an hour. |
| 22:56.40 | xj220 | sandman : I think it's a big hassel to do an emerge world everyday ;) |
| 22:56.41 | tarzeau | Hyper: df -i ? |
| 22:56.41 | sandman | cafuego: Well, I first install from GRP, then later I nice it @ 20 and compile stuff. |
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| 22:56.47 | _sam | do i put my experimental line back in sources.list and set up something like Package: *\nPin: release a=unstable\nPin-Priority: 1001? |
| 22:56.57 | streuner | tarzeau: :-), iam in a good mood, but if i were an OP.... ;-) |
| 22:57.04 | cafuego | sandman: Bet spending a week compiling makes it real fast eh |
| 22:57.06 | sandman | xj220: Why would you emerge world every day.. you people are funny |
| 22:57.09 | Hyper | but the partition is not mounted yet |
| 22:57.12 | sandman | cafuego: Actually, yes. |
| 22:57.15 | Hyper | tarzeau: but the partition is not mounted yet |
| 22:57.25 | sandman | cafuego: But I can't tell the difference because it's niced so low. |
| 22:57.28 | cafuego | sandman: Too bad you can't make up for the wasted time spent compiling, though. |
| 22:57.30 | sandman | that is, the compiling for a week =) |
| 22:57.36 | sandman | cafuego: I do. |
| 22:57.47 | xj220 | sandman : I don't do that, but if you don't then you have like 5 screens of dependences ;) (and then you dont feel like installing that program :P) |
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| 22:57.49 | cafuego | sandman: Yes, those milliseconds sure add up |
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| 22:58.01 | sandman | cafuego: I avoid all those times I'd normally have to compile frmo source and use epkg or some such. I just emerge <mypackagehere> to get a late release. |
| 22:58.08 | sandman | cafuego: They do when they matter. |
| 22:58.10 | sgeigerbot | sandman: If you are getting such good results, you should put together something that debunks this: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 |
| 22:58.19 | modus | tarzeau: blew away config, rodent misbehavior still the same! |
| 22:58.25 | Active2 | _sam: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/files/apt/preferences |
| 22:58.33 | sandman | sgeigerbot: I have no reason to prove. I'm here for Debian help, not Gentoo help. |
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| 22:58.50 | sandman | sgeigerbot: There's a reason there are about 800 people in #gentoo and about 650 in here, and shrinking. |
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| 22:59.01 | sandman | Well, not really shrinking. |
| 22:59.08 | cafuego | sandman: Yes, all freebsd users ran away to gentoo. So? |
| 22:59.08 | sandman | Since a lot of people are in here and gentoo. |
| 22:59.12 | lunarknight | How come I can't get direct rendering dri to work with debian? it says in the log, dri pci is not yet supported |
| 22:59.21 | sandman | durin42: #gentoo |
| 22:59.29 | modus | can anybody help me with a flaky mouse? |
| 22:59.29 | cafuego | durin42: It's the l33+ flavour of the month |
| 22:59.48 | caci | cafuego: s/month/year/ |
| 22:59.49 | sandman | durin42: Actually it's not. It's really quite good, binary support is in the works, security server is being built |
| 22:59.49 | tarzeau | modus: what is rodent? |
| 23:00.12 | sandman | durin42: It saves a lot of time on manual compiles, and it also ends up to be faster. Not to mention you can grap GRP per architecture. |
| 23:00.12 | tarzeau | sandman: psssst let me tell you something |
| 23:00.15 | durin42 | sandman binary support as in i don't have to compile from scratch? instant gratification? |
| 23:00.15 | sgeigerbot | sandman: What's that reason? False advertising? If Gentoo really is faster, thenen why aren't we seeing reports of that? |
| 23:00.17 | xj220 | sandman : Ofcourse gentoo will expand with the increasing CPU powers. |
| 23:00.22 | modus | first of all, shouldn't i be able to 'cat < /dev/pasaux' to redirect mouse to STDIN? |
| 23:00.22 | tarzeau | sandman: heros are here, idiots in #gentoo |
| 23:00.24 | sandman | durin42: Debian still has Security updates as of now |
| 23:00.32 | modus | tarzeau: rodent is my mouse, sorry. |
| 23:00.34 | sandman | tarzeau: I disagree with that. |
| 23:00.41 | streuner | tarzeau: :-) |
| 23:00.42 | sandman | xj220: It's not about the CPUs |
| 23:00.49 | sandman | durin42: Yes. |
| 23:00.54 | sandman | durin42: Grab your GRP |
| 23:01.02 | sgeigerbot | sandman: If what you say is true, then likely we will have some verifiable results at some point...but I haven't seen that yet. |
| 23:01.07 | durin42 | sandman GRP? |
| 23:01.08 | sandman | durin42: It contains all the precompiled binaries for _your_ architecture, not i386. |
| 23:01.10 | cafuego | sandman: If you add gained speed plus compile time, gentoo isn't faster by any stretch of the imagination. |
| 23:01.14 | sandman | durin42: Right. Go ask in #gentoo. |
| 23:01.18 | xj220 | sandman : In my case it's, I would never try to install gentoo on my 486 dx4, if It wasnt in a bewolf cluster ;) |
| 23:01.35 | sandman | sgeigerbot: Gentoo isn't just abotu the speed. |
| 23:01.39 | durin42 | sandman xj220 has a point |
| 23:01.49 | sgeigerbot | sandman: If I fired up enough bots, I could have 1000 users in #kangaroo... ;-) |
| 23:01.55 | durin42 | lol |
| 23:01.57 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: lol |
| 23:02.00 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Don't take over my channel please |
| 23:02.10 | modus | okay, gentoo vs. debian, emacs vs. vi, yadda yadda ... i have to fix my mouse! |
| 23:02.12 | streuner | sandman: What do you think? you can't compile source in debian as well? :-) |
| 23:02.18 | sandman | sgeigerbot: It's about the swift administration, ability to avoid many manual compiles, ability to kill bloatware if you want (USE flags), you can get security updates in the near future (but I won't use this anyway, I believe in just upgrading the package to get the benefits of the newer versions) |
| 23:02.23 | durin42 | modus : what isn't it doing? |
| 23:02.25 | cafuego | modus: Try a trip to the vet, mate ;-) |
| 23:02.33 | sandman | sgeigerbot: There's more activity in #gentoo, also. |
| 23:02.35 | xj220 | durin42 : but sandman also got a point, the gentoo dist, is very neat. I have had no problem with my workstation (running gentoo) all updates etc is working like a charm. |
| 23:02.40 | modus | it's a regular two-button ps/2 mouse on /dev/psaux |
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| 23:02.49 | durin42 | modus what is it doing? |
| 23:02.58 | Icemaann | sandman: what about packages tho, does it have all the packages ;-) |
| 23:02.59 | sandman | durin42: Well, if you're still using 486s, I suppose you could use Debian. |
| 23:03.03 | durin42 | xj220 hmmmmmmm. i smell a test box in the making.... |
| 23:03.12 | modus | durin42: it jumps around unpredictably and clicks where i haven't clicked. sometimes the mouse pointer just freezes. |
| 23:03.15 | xj220 | durin42 : hehe ;) |
| 23:03.15 | tarzeau | quantity is not important, but quality |
| 23:03.20 | tarzeau | there is also more windows users |
| 23:03.25 | sandman | durin42: But for me, my abilities are much greater with better hardware. I am a more effective person with effective hardware. My PDA is more powerful than a 486, for God's sake. |
| 23:03.35 | Icemaann | sandman: disclaimer, is that i do not know anything about gentoo, so i am not knocking it in anyway |
| 23:03.43 | tarzeau | you could give them typewriters and they wouldn't notice |
| 23:03.44 | cafuego | modus: Running gpm? |
| 23:03.54 | sandman | Icemaann: It has loads of packages. More USEFUL packages, too. But why are you talking to me about this, go to #gentoo plz |
| 23:03.58 | xj220 | sandman : hehe, I have the latest IPaq and it's fas like 800 or so. But that's no the point ;) |
| 23:04.05 | sgeigerbot | sandman: Just kidding...I didn't mean to troll. |
| 23:04.07 | durin42 | mac users have frequently been quick to point out that just because cockroaches are more numerous does not mean they denote a higher species |
| 23:04.08 | sandman | xj220: I know that's not the point. |
| 23:04.15 | modus | cafuego: no ... i don't think i want gpm |
| 23:04.29 | cafuego | modus: that wasn't my question |
| 23:04.46 | sandman | streuner: It's more time consuming, and requires more attention to compile in Debian. |
| 23:04.48 | durin42 | modus in x, how does the mouse behave? |
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| 23:04.51 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: i agree |
| 23:05.02 | tarzeau | sandman: huh? |
| 23:05.03 | sandman | streuner: I find it much more effective to "emerge <mypackage" if it's available, than to use, say, epkg + m4 subsystem. |
| 23:05.19 | xj220 | sandman : but you have to agree, that it's more sutible for ws. It has like you say alot of good "package" for ws that debian misses. |
| 23:05.26 | sandman | streuner: Or, to debianize the package, which is even more time consuming. You see, I factor in how fast it makes _me_, not just how fast it makes my computer. |
| 23:05.33 | modus | durin42: it jumps around unpredictably and clicks where i haven't clicked. sometimes the mouse pointer just freezes. |
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| 23:05.39 | sandman | xj220: ws? |
| 23:05.40 | streuner | sandman: hm, /msg dpkg simple sid backport, it gives you an idea how large your attention should be :-) |
| 23:05.43 | tarzeau | i use debian because it has that nice swirl logo! |
| 23:05.48 | tarzeau | i really like that best |
| 23:05.49 | xj220 | sandman :WorkStation |
| 23:06.01 | sandman | xj220: gotchya |
| 23:06.08 | modus | cafuego: wait, I am actually running gpm. i bet that is the problem! |
| 23:06.17 | durin42 | modus run 'grep -i scroll /etc/X11/XF86Config*' without the quotes |
| 23:06.18 | streuner | sandman: edit sources.list and give one command... :-) |
| 23:06.18 | buht | hey guys, i apt'd bind and "dig" is an unknown command still :) that right |
| 23:06.29 | durin42 | !find dig |
| 23:06.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dig' (2 shown): libcommons-digester-java ;; libcommons-digester-java-doc. |
| 23:06.34 | sandman | streuner: Right. Does it allow USE flags? |
| 23:06.42 | xj220 | streuner : the, thing is that sandman compile everything in debian from source, that why it´s more of a hassel. |
| 23:06.50 | durin42 | buht dig is in bind-tools or something like that... |
| 23:06.55 | _sam | bind9-host |
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| 23:07.02 | Justin__ | !tell buht about search |
| 23:07.03 | sandman | streuner: Will it automatically update required deps? |
| 23:07.16 | sandman | streuner: And if I don't like it, can I downgrade the deps, and remove the package? |
| 23:07.31 | sirk | does anyone use vqadmin? I have a rather simple question |
| 23:07.41 | durin42 | !tell sirk about ask |
| 23:07.44 | buht | Justin__ : i did a search before my question and it didnt have any good info for "dig" |
| 23:07.47 | modus | cafuego: how do i kill /usr/sbin/gpm ??? |
| 23:07.50 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.53 | sandman | streuner: With Gentoo I just edit the "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS", and I can upgrade/downgrade as I please. I also don't have to edit a sources.list, I type mirrorselect and it finds the fastest mirrors for me. |
| 23:07.58 | xj220 | sandman : there is a big advantage with gentoo, you can have to different version of a program running on the same time ;) |
| 23:08.01 | durin42 | modus /etc/init.d/gpm stop |
| 23:08.01 | sandman | streuner: This really isn't why I'm here. |
| 23:08.08 | sandman | Could someone tell me how to standby via ACPI? |
| 23:08.16 | tarzeau | xj220: you can do that too, on debian |
| 23:08.19 | sandman | acpi -sleep doesn't seem to work, although sleep isn't even what I want. |
| 23:08.25 | durin42 | sandman what kernel version? |
| 23:08.27 | Nurbs | sgeigerbot: I prefer #cockroaches, thanks. |
| 23:08.28 | modus | durin42: thanks, will do |
| 23:08.32 | sandman | durin42: 2.4.22 |
| 23:08.41 | xj220 | tarzeau : ahh, didn't know that ;( (but its very easy in gentoo) |
| 23:08.55 | tarzeau | xj220: i don't find it hard in debian |
| 23:08.56 | sgeigerbot | ~+acpi |
| 23:08.58 | | from memory, acpi is (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) This power management interface takes the power management out of the BIOS and gives control to the OS. Typically, a system's BIOS is only able to turn a device off after a certain period of inactivity. With ACPI, the user can instruct the OS to slow down the processor or enter sleep mode. This basically gives the OS, and thus the user, more control of power management. |
| 23:09.05 | durin42 | sandman cat 2 > /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 23:09.11 | sgeigerbot | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the OS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, extreme file system corruption, see 2.4.5 and 2.4.5-ac1 on apt. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac |
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| 23:09.11 | sgeigerbot | pi (+kernel from kernel.org) |
| 23:09.12 | sirk | I have vqadmin installed yet when i try to add a domain it says it could not write the domain directory, i assume this is a permissions problem but i cant seem to figure out where its trying to write this "domain directory" |
| 23:09.13 | sandman | you mean "echo"? |
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| 23:09.16 | modus | durin42: stopped gpm, restarting X ... |
| 23:09.30 | xj220 | tarzeau : ok |
| 23:09.31 | durin42 | sandman 1 is on, 2 is standby, 3 is unused, 4 is hibernate(need swsusp in linux) |
| 23:09.38 | themp | anyone here a debian sparc user or dev ? |
| 23:09.40 | sandman | durin42: It has no effect.. |
| 23:09.53 | xj220 | sandman : btw, do you want more activity then this ? (I find it hard to read :P) |
| 23:09.56 | durin42 | sandman you sure your hardware supports it? |
| 23:10.04 | sandman | durin42: Yes. |
| 23:10.04 | tarzeau | themp: i have sparc classic and ultra2, there's #sparc |
| 23:10.14 | durin42 | sandman is it a laptop? who made it? |
| 23:10.17 | Nurbs | tarzeau: how does one run two versions, or, well, two versions of the same package on debian? I guess the latter was the point that was to be made... |
| 23:10.19 | sandman | xj220: No, not necessarily. |
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| 23:10.27 | sandman | durin42: It is a laptop, Compaq Presario 2100us |
| 23:10.28 | xj220 | sandman : ;P |
| 23:10.34 | tarzeau | Nurbs: was it a package or just software? |
| 23:10.44 | tarzeau | Nurbs: well just rename the binary or install it into a different place |
| 23:10.46 | modus | thanks all ... looks like gpm was the culprit. mouse is behaving now. |
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| 23:10.49 | tarzeau | Nurbs: that is an easy thing to do |
| 23:10.55 | durin42 | sandman i have had problems with compaq acpi implementations before, but don't give up yet |
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| 23:11.04 | durin42 | sandman you tried google yet? |
| 23:11.08 | tarzeau | Nurbs: now it gets tricky with libraries, but it's not impossible, there's chroots too |
| 23:11.12 | sandman | durin42: yeah, I'm reading through it while I'm chatting here |
| 23:11.12 | Luigi30 | debian doesn't work |
| 23:11.20 | tarzeau | Luigi30: you have no clue |
| 23:11.23 | Luigi30 | I know that |
| 23:11.27 | sandman | Luigi30: What's not working? |
| 23:11.42 | Luigi30 | sandman: when I type ./startx it says 'no screens found' |
| 23:11.42 | modus | but if i want to replace this 2-button ps/2 mouse with a 3-button scroll-wheel one, why does it break? |
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| 23:11.50 | sandman | Luigi30: Check your XF86Config |
| 23:11.54 | modus | i will stay away from gpm in the future ... |
| 23:11.56 | tarzeau | Luigi30: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:12.04 | sandman | Luigi30: Run xf86config, perhaps. Or, X -config, I think it is. |
| 23:12.04 | Luigi30 | i'm running a geforce 3, does that matter? |
| 23:12.08 | sandman | or what tarzeau said. |
| 23:12.09 | tarzeau | Luigi30: say no to the fbdev qiuestion |
| 23:12.16 | tarzeau | Luigi30: yes it sucks |
| 23:12.17 | durin42 | sandman i don't know, acpi can be very fickle |
| 23:12.21 | tarzeau | Luigi30: is that nvidia, right? |
| 23:12.24 | Luigi30 | tarzeau: yes |
| 23:12.30 | tarzeau | Luigi30: postmaster@nvidia.com say something! |
| 23:12.32 | sandman | durin42: Right |
| 23:12.33 | Luigi30 | I told it to use the nv video driver |
| 23:12.36 | Luigi30 | ? |
| 23:12.36 | tarzeau | Luigi30: you want your money back it's not working |
| 23:12.42 | Luigi30 | no, the geforce 3 works |
| 23:12.47 | tarzeau | Luigi30: what x version? sid? |
| 23:12.47 | Luigi30 | i'm using it right now |
| 23:12.50 | Luigi30 | I don't know |
| 23:12.54 | Luigi30 | whatever comes with woody |
| 23:12.57 | sandman | tarzeau: I'll try a newer kernel. |
| 23:13.01 | tarzeau | Luigi30: it's old |
| 23:13.05 | tarzeau | Luigi30: try testing or sid |
| 23:13.06 | cafuego | modus: gpm is trivial to set up with X |
| 23:13.11 | tarzeau | sandman: perfect |
| 23:13.17 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: You said you're tired and you're still talking here! :)) |
| 23:13.27 | Justin__ | tarzeau: it should work just fine |
| 23:13.29 | tarzeau | Guardian_: i'm having fun :) |
| 23:13.31 | Luigi30 | I think I'm going to put up an IRC window on the other computer |
| 23:13.35 | Justin__ | !tell Luigi30 about set up X |
| 23:13.37 | Luigi30 | so I don't have to reboot every few seconds |
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| 23:14.03 | Luigi30 | eep |
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| 23:14.26 | Luigi30 | ...my brain is about to explode now... time to download some other ISOs... |
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| 23:14.28 | GunZ | how can i get xmms to show some of the characters that have accents in them, like winamp does? |
| 23:14.52 | tarzeau | i bet luigi30 is going to get gentoo |
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| 23:15.19 | mwilson | Just what the world needs... another clueless Gentoobie. |
| 23:15.30 | sandman | Just so yall know, the reason I don't use Debian more is that many of the packages don't work per their manuals. |
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| 23:15.37 | modus | okay, wait ... i'm also thinking i have a stale kernel. how do i use dselect (aptitude, synaptic, etc.) to determine what's best for my needs and my hardware? |
| 23:15.46 | sandman | Or, just don't work. For example, KDE in woody is rather unstable |
| 23:15.54 | cafuego | sandman: So fix the manual, submit a patch. |
| 23:15.57 | sandman | There's a whole bunch of crashy, partially broken programs. |
| 23:16.08 | streuner | sandman: which version? |
| 23:16.13 | modus | currently, i've left the original installer's kernel in place. |
| 23:16.16 | sandman | sandman: the packages from woody |
| 23:16.19 | mwilson | cafuego: His administration of the machine is, of course, perfect. |
| 23:16.20 | cafuego | You young people all just take, take and take and never give. |
| 23:16.33 | sandman | cafuego: Not true. I give money. |
| 23:16.36 | cafuego | mwilson: Naturally. |
| 23:16.40 | modus | cafuego: i may be a newbie, but i am OLD |
| 23:16.42 | streuner | sandman: almost none use these packages... |
| 23:16.48 | cafuego | bah, money is cheap |
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| 23:17.20 | melay | hi, i have an question, why does the channel debian.de not exist anymore? |
| 23:17.25 | cafuego | modus: apt-cache search kernel-image; pick one. |
| 23:17.30 | sandman | melay: I destroyed it. |
| 23:17.34 | melay | :( |
| 23:17.39 | melay | and why? |
| 23:17.48 | Active2 | who has debian sid and is working with anjuta ? |
| 23:18.02 | cafuego | mwilson: Maybe you did a typo. |
| 23:18.04 | sandman | melay: Allah told me to. |
| 23:18.11 | cafuego | duh |
| 23:18.16 | cafuego | melay: Maybe you did a typo. |
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| 23:18.22 | mwilson | Maybe I did a typo on what? |
| 23:18.30 | cafuego | mwilson: Maybe I did a typo. |
| 23:18.37 | mwilson | lol |
| 23:18.41 | noen | wohooo! |
| 23:18.44 | sandman | very funny, har har |
| 23:18.46 | melay | cafuego, yes, thanks |
| 23:18.52 | sandman | fun is prohibited! |
| 23:19.09 | cafuego | sandman: i'll be the judge of that. |
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| 23:19.37 | holy_cow | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1996/debian-user-199610/msg00262.html <-- neat |
| 23:19.58 | sgeigerbot | holy_cow: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything!) |
| 23:20.06 | sandman | It's getting late, and the lateness of hte day varies directly with the incoherency of my statements. |
| 23:20.27 | streuner | sandman: the point in that discussion is to me, you really need maybe 5 percent more performance and compile everything |
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| 23:20.49 | sandman | streuner: I don't like to compile everything. |
| 23:21.07 | sandman | streuner: I like binary distros. Which is one reason why I use Gentoo. But after the install, I generally only need source-compiles. |
| 23:21.15 | sandman | streuner: See, I used to waste lots of time hand-compiling stuff. |
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| 23:21.29 | sandman | I'd use Debian Stable, and then for all the stuff that wasn't in the repositories, I'd hand compile. |
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| 23:21.45 | sandman | Fact is, that's a grand waste of time. Gentoo was an upgrade for me. It's saved me tons of time. |
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| 23:22.09 | sandman | If I need an unstable package, I just export ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" && emerge <mypackage> |
| 23:22.21 | sandman | I can incorporate unstable packages into the system without breaking it. |
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| 23:22.29 | sgeigerbot | holy_cow: did you see the date on that email? |
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| 23:22.29 | sandman | Unfortunately, I can't do that with Woody. See? |
| 23:22.36 | sandman | So it's not about performance. Although that _is_ a plus. |
| 23:22.38 | tarzeau | you can go to sid |
| 23:22.45 | tarzeau | and if you don't upgrade daily, it's all fine |
| 23:22.46 | sandman | tarzeau: Yeah, but then I can't go back. |
| 23:22.51 | tarzeau | no you can't |
| 23:22.52 | holy_cow | sgei, nope, seemed like a rational approach none the less |
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| 23:22.55 | sandman | tarzeau: Exactly. |
| 23:22.56 | tarzeau | why would you want to go back? |
| 23:23.02 | sgeigerbot | holy_cow: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything!) |
| 23:23.05 | sandman | because I want a stable system, bar a few things. |
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| 23:23.12 | beware | why don't i have the "netlink" option in the kernel config? |
| 23:23.16 | holy_cow | sgeigerbot: like this? hehe :) right sorry |
| 23:23.22 | D_Girl | heyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 23:23.26 | D_Girl | anyone wanna chat |
| 23:23.26 | sandman | For example, I'd like everything to be totally stable, unless otherwise specified. Not totally unstable, unless otherwise specified. |
| 23:23.27 | sgeigerbot | holy_cow: yes, thanks. |
| 23:23.36 | diod | sgeigerbot : no tab-completion here :( |
| 23:23.37 | kzar | which webmail program would everyone recomend? |
| 23:23.39 | streuner | sandman: i tell you no secret, when i say: not many desktop user use woody. |
| 23:23.42 | sandman | D_Girl: Why do they have braille marks on drive-up ATMs? |
| 23:23.46 | holy_cow | wow 1996 |
| 23:23.50 | D_Girl | wanna chat |
| 23:23.52 | D_Girl | ???????? |
| 23:23.54 | holy_cow | and the info is still good :) hehehe |
| 23:23.57 | sgeigerbot | diod: apt-get install real-irc-client |
| 23:23.58 | deo | sandman: sure you can go back... just append the flavor.... : apt-get install package/stable |
| 23:24.04 | sandman | streuner: Right. I used sid for a while. It's not nearly as effective as just using Gentoo. |
| 23:24.04 | D_Girl | don't know |
| 23:24.20 | sandman | streuner: Debian Woody used to be really effective for me. But GRP just does it better. |
| 23:24.28 | sandman | streuner: See, I have a life outside IRC, computing, etc. |
| 23:24.30 | sgeigerbot | sandman: because some people have british cars? |
| 23:24.32 | diod | sgeigerbot: no xchat crap ... ? |
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| 23:24.42 | sandman | streuner: I like hiking, riding in boats, being around my friends. |
| 23:24.49 | sandman | doing healthy stuff, making the right decisions in life |
| 23:24.51 | diod | sgeigerbot/whois |
| 23:24.56 | sgeigerbot | diod: cd ~; export CVS_RSH=ssh; cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous:@cvs.erc.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/erc co erc |
| 23:25.10 | sandman | I don't have time to sit around and play with debian sid. I need something that Just Works, that's really easy to contribute to... =/ |
| 23:25.10 | diod | sgeigerbot ok |
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| 23:25.17 | tola | what's the minix file system for? |
| 23:25.19 | streuner | sandman: hm, well :-) using sid here too, KDE3.2 beta, and GNOME2.4 and several windowmanger are installed, what next? :-) |
| 23:25.21 | sandman | I think this sets me apart from most users on freenet.net |
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| 23:25.45 | holy_cow | sandman... sorry if it was posted way way up, what do you use now? |
| 23:25.59 | cafuego | sandman: Well, as far as all my workstations are concerned, Sid "just works". |
| 23:26.04 | debian_user | how i can configure my sound card?! |
| 23:26.13 | holy_cow | cafuego: same here |
| 23:26.20 | sandman | cafuego: Some things are broken in Sid. |
| 23:26.21 | cafuego | tola: backwards compatibility |
| 23:26.27 | sgeigerbot | !+sound |
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| 23:26.27 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 23:26.32 | cafuego | sandman: Undoubtedly. |
| 23:26.36 | mwilson | And of course nothing at all is broken in Gentoobie. |
| 23:26.38 | debian_user | thx |
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| 23:26.57 | pngwn | it don't do me any good to put the troll on ignore if you guys are going to keep feeding him ;) |
| 23:26.59 | cafuego | sandman: None on the normal productivity apps are, though. |
| 23:27.17 | sandman | mwilson: nearly nothing. But I have many versions to select from. |
| 23:27.21 | Justin__ | mwilson: from what I've seen lots of peopl euse it for a month or so, and then when they realize they have to compile everything alllll over again, the ditch it |
| 23:27.21 | sgeigerbot | pngwn: Perhaps you need the FoodSaver |
| 23:27.55 | sandman | pngwn: I'm not a troll. It's a real discussion, not a flamewar or anything. Just relax, say something if you want. |
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| 23:28.15 | dondelelcaro | sure, just like you can select multiple versions from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 23:28.45 | streuner | !sdn |
| 23:28.45 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages |
| 23:29.05 | Seb_ | anyone was here before when I reported (well, snort noticed...) a shellcode attempt on my box, from mirros.kernel.org ? I just got the same one, from raff.debian.org : Dec 29 14:57:55 ob1 snort: [1:1390:3] SHELLCODE x86 inc ebx NOOP [Classification: Executable code was detected] [Priority: 1]: {TCP} 208.185.25.38:80 -> myip:56934 |
| 23:29.10 | Seb_ | anyone has seen that today ? |
| 23:29.16 | sandman | What the screen key combo to lock a terminal? |
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| 23:29.46 | Justin__ | sandman: control-a-? |
| 23:29.47 | Seb_ | sandman: ctrl-s |
| 23:29.52 | dondelelcaro | C-a C-x |
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| 23:30.02 | Seb_ | ah, *this* screen |
| 23:30.04 | Seb_ | :) |
| 23:30.13 | debian_user | sgeigerbot: which module i must load? |
| 23:30.26 | debian_user | i dont seen audio module |
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| 23:31.10 | dondelelcaro | Justin__: you mean Control-a -? that just switches to the blank window here... |
| 23:31.15 | Covener | Maybe i'm missing it in the manpage, but is there a way to tell xscreensaver to go into suspend immediately (as opposed to just telling it to activate) |
| 23:31.21 | sandman | Seb_: How to unlock? |
| 23:31.23 | Seb_ | so, do you people think those shellcode attempts come from forged IPs ? Cause I mean, kernel.org and debian.org spitting shellcode sounds weird... |
| 23:31.27 | Seb_ | sandman: ctrl-q |
| 23:31.38 | bender_ | hi can someone please answer a quick newbie question? i'm using kernel 2.4.19 on a non-i386 platform and i cant upgrade to the latest 2.4 kernel. if i download kernel 2.4.19 from ftp.kernel.org will that have all the security patches applied to this date or do those have to be patched seperately? |
| 23:31.55 | Seb_ | bender_: any reason not to use .23 ? |
| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | bender_: uh, which non-i386 platform? |
| 23:32.13 | bender_ | dondelelcaro: Netwinder ARM |
| 23:32.19 | RelDrgn | Seb_: knda depends. can you find an actual TCP connection established for that packet to go over? |
| 23:32.23 | bender_ | Seb_: 2.4.19 is the most stable on netwinder |
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| 23:32.42 | bender_ | anything past that doesnt seem to work well under average or high loads |
| 23:32.46 | Seb_ | RelDrgn: well no, I'm firewalled, so there ain't gonna be no connection opened :) Simply snort picks it up... |
| 23:32.49 | themp | why the heck cant debians sparc port of mkiso fs make bootable cd's this is not very cool that you cant get a patched mkisofs for this application |
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| 23:32.55 | dondelelcaro | bender_: well, in that case, you want to manually appy the security patches found since 2.4.19. And no, the 2.4.19 on kernel.org doesn't have them. |
| 23:32.57 | RelDrgn | Seb_: because of the three-way-handshake, its not possible to forge a tcp connection unless the Bad Guy is local to you |
| 23:32.57 | themp | w2hats up withdebian devs ? |
| 23:33.10 | themp | bleh fat finger te laptop |
| 23:33.15 | tobehz | Is there a *good* site for setting up and using WINE? |
| 23:33.19 | Myren | lilo fails. it gives me a bunch of warmings that /dev directory structure is incomplete, lacking the (65,xxx) higher order scsi drives. then a Fatal: open /dev/sdj: No such file or directory |
| 23:33.19 | themp | dos anyone have a solution our ot the box ? |
| 23:33.27 | RelDrgn | (or along the path between you and the forged address, and can capture and respond to packets addressed to the forged address |
| 23:33.36 | Seb_ | RelDrgn: but a *single* TCP packet can very well have a forged IP, right ? |
| 23:33.45 | dondelelcaro | themp: huh? |
| 23:33.50 | RelDrgn | seb: yeah. |
| 23:33.52 | Myren | i actually have that many scsi drives (well, because of multipath), but i havent mknod'd them. is there any particular way i should create them? |
| 23:34.00 | Myren | or just start mknod'ing again and again and again |
| 23:34.01 | Seb_ | hrm so I'll asumme nobody hacked (again) kernel.org and debian.org, I guess :\ |
| 23:34.13 | themp | dondelelcaro huh what the mkisofs with cdrtools with debian stable cannot make bootable sparc cd's anymore |
| 23:34.17 | debian_user | modconf: which module i must load for sound?! <----------- |
| 23:34.18 | modconf | debian_user: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 23:34.24 | RelDrgn | seb: could be left over from the last time. |
| 23:34.27 | dondelelcaro | themp: just pass the -B option. If it doesn't work, file a bug. |
| 23:34.28 | debian_user | modconf audio |
| 23:34.33 | sgeigerbot | RelDrgn: You can hijack a TCP connection. |
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| 23:34.47 | themp | dondelelcaro hrm i did see that documented |
| 23:34.57 | Seb_ | RelDrgn: yeah, I'm sorta worried too, but I doubt this one (actually 2) snort logs can decide anyone to look into it :\ |
| 23:34.57 | Myren | my question is (well, really its how do i make it work, but....) why the fuck does lilo give a crap about /dev/sdj? just do boot=/dev/sda like i god damned tell you and then leave me alone. |
| 23:34.57 | sgeigerbot | RelDrgn: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2003/article282.shtml |
| 23:35.53 | Myren | whats the appropriate method to create /dev/sdX if you've got a shit ton of scsi devices? |
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| 23:35.53 | dondelelcaro | Myren: using MAKEDEV |
| 23:35.53 | Myren | thats the one. thanks. |
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| 23:37.33 | debian_user | modconf audio |
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| 23:37.43 | Myren | dondelelcaro: it only gets me to sdh.... |
| 23:37.44 | themp | dondelelcaro somthing like mkisofs -G ./temp/boot/cd.b -B temp/boot/sparc32.gz -o sparc-bootable.iso cdrom |
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| 23:38.27 | themp | er |
| 23:38.27 | dondelelcaro | Myren: man MAKEDEV |
| 23:38.27 | themp | dondelelcaro somthing like mkisofs -G ./temp/boot/cd.b -B temp/boot/sparc32.gz -o sparc-bootable.iso temp |
| 23:38.27 | themp | that is |
| 23:38.27 | RelDrgn | sgeigerbot: interesting. thanks :) |
| 23:38.27 | dondelelcaro | themp: uh, -B should be an image, not a compressed fs. |
| 23:38.30 | Seb_ | sgeigerbot: gee that's scary |
| 23:38.46 | sgeigerbot | Computer Security Oxymoron |
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| 23:39.03 | nighter | dosent wine work under kernel 2.6.0 it stoped worked something with socket so thought maybe i had to recompile did that still dosent work |
| 23:39.17 | RelDrgn | stilll requires the attacker to be between a and b though, or at one end or the other within sniffing distance |
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| 23:39.39 | themp | dondelelcaro okay so is the first -G correct because i have used many differant args all ccording to the docs |
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| 23:39.54 | sgeigerbot | RelDrgn: The Internet is a public network. |
| 23:40.08 | rattusrattus | tell that to AOL :-) |
| 23:40.09 | dondelelcaro | themp: looks ok to me, but I don't make sparc cds that often. |
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| 23:41.06 | cleiton | how i use xfonts-artwiz ? i install and this font dont work |
| 23:41.13 | rattusrattus | has anyone got any idea when the debian packages website will be back up. and / or what I can do to help get it back online? |
| 23:41.47 | sgeigerbot | cleiton: Does this help? http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 23:41.56 | bender_ | rattusrattus: the topic mentions something about that |
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| 23:42.24 | themp | dondelelcaro mkisofs -B ./temp/boot/cd.b -B ./temp/boot/sparc64 -o sparc-bootable.iso temp |
| 23:42.33 | themp | dondelelcaro over this mkisofs -G ./temp/boot/cd.b -B ./temp/boot/sparc64 -o sparc-bootable.iso temp |
| 23:42.57 | rattusrattus | 'k but part 2 of my question was / is still relevent |
| 23:43.18 | dondelelcaro | rattusrattus: no, not really. Parts of it are being rewritten. |
| 23:43.28 | Justin__ | rattusrattus: most people don't care. /msg dpkg search |
| 23:43.43 | Justin__ | dondelelcaro: they should just put up a page like the factoid on it |
| 23:43.48 | Justin__ | too many people abuse it for no good reason |
| 23:43.55 | rattusrattus | ahh so was more than the box being cracked then. Anything I can do to help? |
| 23:44.01 | Covener | woohoo, xset dpms force suspend did the trick |
| 23:44.06 | dondelelcaro | rattusrattus: no, not really. |
| 23:44.19 | kzar | when i try and start the fetchmail deamon it says "user does not exist!" any ideas? |
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| 23:45.19 | Sebulba02 | kzar: you don't have a valid postmaster? |
| 23:45.56 | kzar | Sebulba02: how would i check that? |
| 23:46.39 | Sebulba02 | kzar: look in your fetchmailrc and see, also read the man about the postmaster |
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| 23:47.19 | kzar | Sebulba02: all ive set in the rc is my pop3 server to use |
| 23:48.05 | cleiton | how i use xfonts-artwiz ? i install and this font but dont work |
| 23:49.14 | pneuma | cleiton: try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and see if it registers them |
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| 23:49.43 | cleiton | pneuma: i do this, |
| 23:49.45 | Sebulba02 | kzar: you need more than that.. |
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| 23:50.02 | Sebulba02 | kzar: put a line 'set postmaster "user'' to where the mail is to goto. |
| 23:50.08 | Sebulba02 | "user" |
| 23:50.10 | kzar | ok |
| 23:50.12 | mwilson | <sigh> I really need to build xterm again. |
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| 23:50.27 | tarzeau | mwilson: why? have you tried "terminal" the package? |
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| 23:51.17 | bender_ | i know it's mentioned at www.debian.org/releases/ that the "testing" branch isn't supported by the debian security team and updates aren't released in a timely manner but i'm curious none the less. what has your experience been with the testing version of debian? for example how long did it take for the last kernel security update to be released? |
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| 23:51.32 | mwilson | tarzeau: Huh? |
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| 23:52.03 | mwilson | Uh, no, I'm not going to install all of THAT just to try another *term. |
| 23:52.04 | pneuma | bender_: my experience is that testing is sort of in a nowhere land between stable and sid |
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| 23:52.14 | pneuma | rxvt rulez |
| 23:52.20 | debian_user | hum |
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| 23:52.23 | tarzeau | mwilson: :) |
| 23:52.28 | tarzeau | mwilson: it looks perfect |
| 23:52.32 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg |
| 23:52.38 | tarzeau | look at that! |
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| 23:53.02 | RelDrgn | bender: I believe the debian policy dctates the amount of time a package has to wait before it becomes testing |
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| 23:53.07 | debian_user | modconf: which module i must take for audio??? |
| 23:53.07 | modconf | debian_user: i don't know |
| 23:53.22 | tobehz | Anyone have a link to an XFS netinst image? |
| 23:53.22 | debian_user | otherone? ;) |
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| 23:53.29 | Unfrgiven | what is the difference between dhcp-client and dhcp3-client? |
| 23:53.33 | bender_ | hmm |
| 23:53.38 | mwilson | tarzeau: That's your desktop? The mail message there dates from 2002. |
| 23:53.40 | bender_ | i guess i will stick with 3.0 then |
| 23:53.50 | debian_user | modconf: which module i must take for audio??? |
| 23:53.50 | tarzeau | mwilson: i've never used gnumail |
| 23:53.51 | modconf | debian_user: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:53.58 | tarzeau | mwilson: i still use sylpheed-claws |
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| 23:54.44 | mwilson | I played with sylpheed once, a long time ago. |
| 23:54.54 | mwilson | I don't like mh. |
| 23:55.05 | tarzeau | mwilson: got mutt now? |
| 23:55.34 | tarzeau | i looked into mutt, about 10 times (10 second each) , i don't understand it |
| 23:55.34 | debian_user | please help |
| 23:55.42 | tarzeau | apt milk debian_user |
| 23:55.43 | | tarzeau: no idea |
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| 23:55.50 | tarzeau | dpkg milk debian_user |
| 23:56.05 | tarzeau | debian_user: try them out |
| 23:56.06 | Sebulba02 | lol |
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| 23:56.19 | The_Ball | im setting up a debian machine but im not sure what fs to choose, what does the installer support out of the 'box' ? |
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| 23:56.34 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: what's to understand? just modify your muttrc appropriately, and away you go. |
| 23:56.35 | Unfrgiven | The_Ball: ext2 |
| 23:56.41 | debian_user | haha tarzeau |
| 23:56.49 | tarzeau | debian_user: hihihi :) |
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| 23:56.55 | debian_user | :èP |
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| 23:57.02 | tarzeau | debian_user: i know another one... |
| 23:57.10 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed debian_user |
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| 23:57.31 | tobehz | :o |
| 23:57.31 | The_Ball | Unfrgiven, only that? |
| 23:57.40 | bender_ | i prefer mozilla mail for my imap accounts otherwise i would use mutt all the time |
| 23:57.52 | dondelelcaro | bender_: use offlineimap for your imap accounts. |
| 23:57.59 | dondelelcaro | bender_: or similar... |
| 23:58.05 | Unfrgiven | The_Ball: im sure it supports more... but i know that it definately supports ext2.. i think it does reiser, ext3, fat32 as well |
| 23:58.24 | debian_user | i seen only net, fs & cd-rom drivers tarzeau |
| 23:58.27 | Sebulba02 | with the choice of bf24 kernel at install* |
| 23:58.30 | debian_user | but i'm need a audio driver |
| 23:58.38 | tarzeau | debian_user: oh you didn't pick bf24 right? |
| 23:58.46 | tarzeau | debian_user: apt-cache search kernel image 2.4 |
| 23:58.51 | tarzeau | debian_user: install one of those |
| 23:59.28 | debian_user | thx ;) |
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| 23:59.49 | debian_user | that have i want do know |
| 23:59.58 | tarzeau | debian_user: you're welcome, i gladly help debian users |
