| 00:00.27 | debian_user | i go buy a book about linux next week ;) |
| 00:00.38 | tarzeau | debian_user: better buy one about debian |
| 00:00.43 | debian_user | then i must less ask here |
| 00:00.45 | tarzeau | debian_user: it'll have the Hurd too |
| 00:01.09 | debian_user | k |
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| 00:01.14 | debian_user | i look for a debian book |
| 00:01.40 | debian_user | i like this linux |
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| 00:03.04 | z|bandito | anyone use a microstar athlon motherboard under linux? |
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| 00:03.25 | holy_cow | debian, when i have my workstation back up and running ill post some debian links for you as well |
| 00:04.06 | debian_user | nice holy_cow |
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| 00:06.05 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No, you're better off using -O6 ;-) |
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| 00:06.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. I thought it would be good to help me debug the PCMICA problem I'm having... but apparently I'm lacking hard drive space... |
| 00:06.43 | dondelelcaro | s/IC/CI/ |
| 00:06.47 | The_Ball | from multi-disk-howto: Drives with 10 - 20 GB are becoming common and the question often is how best to partition such monsters. |
| 00:06.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: lockup? |
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| 00:07.00 | cafuego | The_Ball: single partition |
| 00:07.11 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it opses... but I'm not quite sure where its failing.. |
| 00:07.11 | cafuego | The_Ball: Or did you mean 100-200gb ? |
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| 00:07.47 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: pretty reproduciable though... just slap a compact flash to PC card adapter in, and blammo. |
| 00:07.47 | The_Ball | cafuego, 10-20GB total... it's a bit outdated |
| 00:07.57 | tommyj | is alsa included in 2.6 kernels? |
| 00:08.01 | sudo | hi, im new to debian, i couldnt find the info from the man page, how do I see what files where installed via apt-get becuase I would like to modify some config files |
| 00:08.09 | plugwash | personally i just have one bug root partition |
| 00:08.15 | plugwash | bug=big |
| 00:08.17 | Covener | sudo dpkg -L pkg |
| 00:08.18 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: yes |
| 00:08.32 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: under 'Sound' in menuconfig? |
| 00:09.15 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: Drivers->Sound->Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 00:09.23 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: thank you :) |
| 00:09.33 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: np :) anytime |
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| 00:10.07 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: can't find it.... |
| 00:10.32 | tommyj | argh! this is not the 2.6 kernel tree!! ;(;(; |
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| 00:10.37 | tommyj | I'm an idiot |
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| 00:10.52 | tarzeau | i agree |
| 00:10.59 | tarzeau | idiots go #gentoo |
| 00:11.02 | roast | ... |
| 00:11.03 | roast | lol |
| 00:11.05 | tobehz | rofl. |
| 00:11.12 | tobehz | Anyone have a link to an XFS netinst image? :o |
| 00:11.35 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: hehehe it happens sometimes :) |
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| 00:11.39 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 00:11.52 | sandman | ug.. |
| 00:11.53 | tobehz | LOL |
| 00:11.54 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:11.59 | tobehz | he just leaves hahaha |
| 00:12.06 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: just good I figured that out before I had compiled! :o |
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| 00:12.28 | debian_user | i have installed kernel-image-2.4.19-686, but i have not more drivers on modconf? why that? |
| 00:12.33 | mark__ | Are all the debian images required to install debian? |
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| 00:12.36 | debian_user | i must install a driver for my soundcard |
| 00:12.46 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: actually when u said u cant find it, i was gonna ask if u were sure that it was 2.6 tree |
| 00:12.46 | debian_user | only the first image mark__ |
| 00:12.47 | rattusrattus | mark_ no not at all |
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| 00:12.54 | kzar | This sounds pretty stupid but, i installed squirrelmail, added the alias in the apache file and restarted apache, but i cant get the thing to work. im sure im typing in the right url, i cant see what ive done but im guessing it was stupid |
| 00:13.11 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: hehe, ok, good :) do you happen to know if lm-sensors is included also in the 2.6 tree? |
| 00:13.16 | mwilson | <sigh> STILL no complete X for i866. |
| 00:13.17 | rattusrattus | mark_ indeed with a net connection you just need the boot floppies / ISO 1 or a minimum install CD |
| 00:13.26 | mwilson | Ok, time to just build the fscking thing myself. |
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| 00:13.28 | mark__ | well i cant install from netowrk |
| 00:13.32 | mark__ | just cd :-/ |
| 00:13.42 | debian_user | i have installed kernel-image-2.4.19-686, but i have not more drivers on modconf? why that? i must install drivers for my soundcard ^ |
| 00:13.50 | Sebulba02 | kzar: what path did you alias? |
| 00:14.13 | rattusrattus | mark_ most common stuff is on CD1. |
| 00:14.15 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: i wouldn't know the answer to that. but my guess is that it is not. beucase i havent seen it in the config |
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| 00:14.27 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: ok, thanks |
| 00:14.30 | kzar | Sebulba02: "Alias /squirrelmail/ /usr/share/squirrelmail" |
| 00:14.43 | mark__ | rattusrattus: so for X, developmental tools etc etc i only need CD1 and not the other 6-7 images? |
| 00:14.54 | debian_user | anyone can help me? |
| 00:14.55 | Sebulba02 | kzar: odd, i've got the same thing. What kind of directory options did you supply? |
| 00:15.00 | ulitz | does xine have support for wma? |
| 00:15.14 | rattusrattus | well if you want to install each and every package in the distro then yes you will need all the CDs. |
| 00:15.24 | kzar | sebula02: what do you mean directory options? |
| 00:15.25 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: :) |
| 00:15.26 | mwilson | ulitz: Does it need to for some reason? |
| 00:15.28 | tarzeau | ulitz: no afaik |
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| 00:15.51 | Sebulba02 | kzar: uhh, apache lets you set options per alias directory.. I take it you didn't put any.. |
| 00:15.53 | mark__ | rattusrattus: is there a list with what packages are on what images/cds ? |
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| 00:16.06 | ulitz | i had the codecs for mplayer but the program doesn't recognize them i guess |
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| 00:16.10 | kzar | Sebulba02: you assume right, they important? |
| 00:16.15 | Acid`X | ~test |
| 00:16.16 | | Failed |
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| 00:16.16 | rattusrattus | however I am yet to get beyond disk 3 on any install I have done (but I don't use x) |
| 00:16.17 | tarzeau | ulitz: #mplayer |
| 00:16.19 | Acid`X | !test |
| 00:16.20 | dpkg | No, acid`x, you're not online any more. |
| 00:16.21 | debian_user | i have installed kernel-image-2.4.19-686, but i have not more drivers on modconf? why that? i must install drivers for my soundcard ^ |
| 00:16.30 | asac | how do i create initrd.img inside chroot? mkcramfs fails with no /dev/fd/3??? |
| 00:16.30 | Acid`X | huh? |
| 00:16.31 | Acid`X | =/ |
| 00:16.36 | rattusrattus | mark_ not that I am aware of but that doesn't count for much! |
| 00:16.46 | Sebulba02 | kzar: they look pretty standard, but I know I didn't put them there. |
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| 00:16.56 | mark__ | lol many thanks rattusrattus |
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| 00:17.36 | Sebulba02 | kzar: are you sure you went to yourip/squirrelmail/ , since you put the extra / at the end in the alias? |
| 00:18.14 | kzar | sebula02:yep :) |
| 00:18.19 | Sebulba02 | kzar: and did you run the squirrelmail configure ? |
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| 00:19.08 | tommyj | cool! qt configuration :D |
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| 00:19.23 | [Roosta] | does gnome have a built in window manager? rather than using something liek sawfish? |
| 00:19.31 | tommyj | [Roosta]: it uses metacity |
| 00:19.40 | mwilson | Or sawfish. |
| 00:19.44 | mwilson | Or openbox. |
| 00:19.48 | tarzeau | or amiwm. |
| 00:19.48 | tommyj | mwilson: or windowmaker |
| 00:19.52 | zxcv | or fvwm2 :) |
| 00:20.03 | mwilson | Or pretty much any other EWMH-compliant window manager. Which FVWM is and wmaker isn't. |
| 00:20.05 | kzar | Sebulba02: yea , but surely this alias thing should work even if i hadnt |
| 00:20.17 | tommyj | but it uses metacity by default |
| 00:20.23 | sudo | i have another question, why is it that many of the apt-get packages seem to be old |
| 00:20.24 | mwilson | So I dunno how well wmaker actually functions in a Gnome environment any more. |
| 00:20.27 | Sebulba02 | kzar: uhh, I don't think so.. |
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| 00:20.31 | tarzeau | sudo: you have stable |
| 00:20.36 | tommyj | mwilson: it does, I've tried it |
| 00:20.43 | tarzeau | sudo: if you have unstable, they are not old |
| 00:21.06 | tommyj | mwilson: but it kinda takes over a bit :P |
| 00:21.09 | kzar | Sebulba02: is /etc/init.d/apache stop and then that but start all i need to do to reload the config for apache right? |
| 00:21.10 | [Roosta] | how would install gnome using apt... what packages need installing |
| 00:21.12 | Sebulba02 | kzar: you have to set up specific server settings |
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| 00:21.22 | sudo | so what is the safest way I should use if i want SOME of my apps to be newere, like postgresql |
| 00:21.31 | Sebulba02 | kzar: to restart apache? yeah, that'll do |
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| 00:21.34 | krix | hi there. Someone usin' grsecurity + acl's ? And someone has got a working acl for proftpd ? |
| 00:21.39 | kzar | Sebulba02: i had a flick through it, i couldnt see anything wrong |
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| 00:22.20 | mwilson | sudo: The postgresql maintainer keeps his own archive with backported packages. |
| 00:22.52 | Sebulba02 | kzar: I'd say its something in there, because its not apache. |
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| 00:23.12 | sudo | when is the next stable release planned for debian? |
| 00:23.21 | tommyj | eeh, how do I compile as a module int the qt-config in kernel 2.6? |
| 00:23.25 | tarzeau | sudo: a month ago |
| 00:23.25 | ulitz | if i compile a package with make... where is the executable stored? |
| 00:23.43 | sudo | i dont think it would be safe to use the newer version of postgresql becuase then other libraries will get messed up like with php |
| 00:23.43 | tommyj | ulitz: varies |
| 00:23.46 | tarzeau | ulitz: in the source dir somewhere |
| 00:23.47 | kzar | Sebulba02: it cant find the file, surely if it was the squirelmail config it would find the file but throw up errors? |
| 00:23.48 | bob2 | ulitz: depends on thwat the makefile said. |
| 00:23.54 | zxcv | su |
| 00:23.58 | zxcv | oops |
| 00:24.01 | ulitz | i mean isn't it when you do make install where it actually moves it to /usr/bin or wherever |
| 00:24.05 | tommyj | zxcv: hehe |
| 00:24.11 | Sebulba02 | kzar: find what? the index? |
| 00:24.16 | zxcv | good thing i didn't type my password, lol |
| 00:24.17 | ulitz | alright thanks, again |
| 00:24.19 | tarzeau | ulitz: yes it's different in every makefile |
| 00:24.21 | bob2 | !info va-ctcs |
| 00:24.25 | kzar | Sebulba02: yea the index file |
| 00:24.35 | ulitz | looks like ill have to wait until done |
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| 00:25.07 | tarzeau | zxcv: Password: |
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| 00:26.00 | kjs3 | Is there another way to reboot a box remotely other than 'reboot' or 'init 6 |
| 00:26.04 | Sebulba02 | kzar: it might, might not. I dunno. Chances are it is finding the index, just squirrelmail doesn't know what to do.. |
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| 00:26.17 | tarzeau | kjs3: i386? |
| 00:26.30 | kjs3 | tarzeau: yup |
| 00:26.32 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: shutdown, cycle the power, yada yada. |
| 00:26.42 | tarzeau | kjs3: on i386 you can make a hardware reset very easily, but i'm not sure if it works in protected mode |
| 00:27.04 | kjs3 | dondelelcaro: box is in a colo an hour away. But thanks anyway. |
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| 00:27.30 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: your colo should have people onsite, or you should have a system to remotely cycle the power to the box. |
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| 00:27.52 | gilbertdeb | anyone here running sid? |
| 00:27.56 | seokom | ¤·¤·¤·¤· |
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| 00:28.00 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: why cant you execute "reboot"? |
| 00:28.00 | bob2 | of vourse. |
| 00:28.01 | Sebulba02 | yeah gilbertdeb |
| 00:28.03 | tommyj | gilbertdeb: stupid question :P |
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| 00:28.07 | tarzeau | gilbertdeb: i do |
| 00:28.07 | [Roosta] | how do you tell gnome what window manager to use? |
| 00:28.12 | tommyj | gilbertdeb: yes, many of us do |
| 00:28.13 | gilbertdeb | darth sebulba :-? |
| 00:28.15 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: but what is the problem? did you reboot the box and it didn't come back up? |
| 00:28.23 | tommyj | [Roosta]: control panel |
| 00:28.24 | gilbertdeb | are the packages available for it useable? |
| 00:28.24 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: the same :) |
| 00:28.25 | kjs3 | dondelelcaro: Well duh. If that was an easy option, I'd have already done it. |
| 00:28.29 | gilbertdeb | hahaha. |
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| 00:28.45 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: I find them quite usable and stable |
| 00:28.51 | gilbertdeb | cool. |
| 00:28.58 | gilbertdeb | have you used jigdo? |
| 00:29.06 | bob2 | nice |
| 00:29.06 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: reboot hangs (never returns) and init 6 returns with no effect. |
| 00:29.07 | [Roosta] | tommyj - when i login via gdm, it starts loading and when it gets to the Window Manager icon it stops and fails altogether |
| 00:29.15 | bob2 | I love it when people are dicks when you try to help them. |
| 00:29.20 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: I toyed with it, but never *really* used it |
| 00:29.23 | bob2 | makes me feel like helping them all day! |
| 00:29.31 | LonelyOne | gilbertdeb: i used it long ago, but i must admit i don't need full cd anymore, just 2 or 5 floppies.. |
| 00:29.33 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: oddly...reboot is interruptable (I can ^C it) |
| 00:29.55 | tommyj | [Roosta]: can you manage to open a terminal? type gnome-control-center |
| 00:29.56 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: thats very strange... |
| 00:29.59 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: so trace reboot and see where its failing. init 6 at the end calls reboot, so it's not going to do anything special. |
| 00:30.03 | gilbertdeb | hmmm. |
| 00:30.09 | debian_user | i have installed kernel-image-2.4.19-686, but i have not more drivers on modconf? why that? i must install drivers for my soundcard ^ |
| 00:30.12 | gilbertdeb | i don't have a reliable enough floppy drive. |
| 00:30.12 | [Roosta] | tommyj - type it where |
| 00:30.13 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: write a small kernel driver that causes an oops? :) |
| 00:30.17 | damajha | ok, in /dev I have dsp... however cat mysong.wav >/dev/dsp returns a 'no such device'. Well, the device is there.. whats up? |
| 00:30.19 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: yes it is...:-) |
| 00:30.19 | tommyj | [Roosta]: in a terminal |
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| 00:30.25 | gilbertdeb | but can i get from woody to sid in one step? |
| 00:30.33 | LonelyOne | gilbertdeb: give a try to the minimal netinst cdrom so, it's about 30MBytes |
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| 00:30.35 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: thats how I do it :) |
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| 00:30.40 | [Roosta] | Gtk-warning ** cannot open dislplay |
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| 00:30.49 | gilbertdeb | sebulba how? |
| 00:30.52 | tommyj | [Roosta]: is X running? |
| 00:30.57 | [Roosta] | no |
| 00:30.57 | bob2 | debian_user: are you actually running the new kernel? |
| 00:30.58 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: oops it...good one...of course, this box has loadable modules disabled, so I can't even do that...:-) |
| 00:31.03 | LonelyOne | ~tell gilbertdeb stable->sid |
| 00:31.05 | tommyj | [Roosta]: start it then |
| 00:31.06 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: its just a matter of commenting out two lines and uncommenting two more in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:31.11 | bob2 | damajha: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 00:31.19 | bob2 | damajha: that means you haven't loaded the moduel for your card yet. |
| 00:31.22 | gilbertdeb | ok. |
| 00:31.25 | [Roosta] | that would make sense, i'll give it a go |
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| 00:31.38 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: again, strace reboot to see at which sys call it's failing. You'll need to use the -d and -i flags to reboot. |
| 00:31.41 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: doh! i guess ull have to trace reboot... what about kill -9 init process??? wont that cause a reboot |
| 00:31.53 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:32.05 | gilbertdeb | Sebulba02: so i won't need to go from woody to sarge to sid? |
| 00:32.11 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: nah |
| 00:32.20 | LonelyOne | gilbertdeb: /msg dpkg woody->sid |
| 00:32.21 | dondelelcaro | Unfrgiven: that's generally not a good idea. |
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| 00:32.39 | Unfrgiven | dondelelcaro: oh ok. why is that? |
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| 00:32.42 | arauko | im having problmes to run xchat, any one could go to#flood to see the error? |
| 00:32.58 | gilbertdeb | excellent. thanks for the headsup. |
| 00:33.03 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 00:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Unfrgiven: well, for one, its not guaranteed that the box will reboot... |
| 00:33.10 | [Roosta] | tommyj - i can start gnome-control-center, however it doesn't have an option to set which window manager to use |
| 00:33.18 | tommyj | [Roosta]: 2 seconds |
| 00:33.19 | kjs3 | dondelelcaro: If init 6 ends in a call to reboot, why does init 6 return and reboot doesn't. And I've tried -d and -i. No effect. I'll try strace. |
| 00:33.26 | gilbertdeb | i wish there were a way of dumping this whole drive intact onto my new harddisk :-? |
| 00:33.35 | gilbertdeb | that would make life THAT much easier. |
| 00:33.37 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: uh, there is.. |
| 00:33.39 | Unfrgiven | dondelelcaro: i thought the kernel panics when init is not found to be running? |
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| 00:33.52 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: nope...killing init doesn't do anything fun. init is "special". |
| 00:33.53 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: because init 6 just signals the running init process to switch runlevels. it doesn't actually run the scripts itself. |
| 00:33.54 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: I transferred a 30G disk to a 160G disk :) |
| 00:33.56 | tommyj | [Roosta]: is a window-manager started? |
| 00:34.01 | tommyj | [Roosta]: or is that your problem? |
| 00:34.10 | tommyj | [Roosta]: or don't you like metacity? |
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| 00:34.21 | gilbertdeb | Sebulba02: and it was bootable? |
| 00:34.27 | [Roosta] | tommyj - none are started, that's my problem |
| 00:34.30 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: after I made it so, yeah |
| 00:34.36 | tommyj | [Roosta]: open a terminal and type 'metacity' |
| 00:34.40 | [Roosta] | ok |
| 00:34.46 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: shutdown -r? |
| 00:34.55 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: needed a restore disk, but it was easy enough to reinstall grub |
| 00:35.00 | dondelelcaro | Unfrgiven: shutdown -r just calls reboot after a specified amount of time. |
| 00:35.05 | gilbertdeb | any tips? |
| 00:35.21 | gilbertdeb | you just tar.gz ed and transferred it over or what? |
| 00:35.22 | Unfrgiven | dondelelcaro: crap... hmmmm im running out of ideas |
| 00:35.25 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: tried it. |
| 00:35.38 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: its pretty straight forward, I just cp -ra 'd everything from one to another |
| 00:35.43 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: anway, strace -o foo reboot -d -i -f; then paste the last lines of foo into #flood |
| 00:35.49 | gilbertdeb | hmmm. |
| 00:35.56 | gilbertdeb | how long did it take ? |
| 00:36.01 | hinjo | I have a soundcard with a chipset that is listed in the alsa-project. Does it exist a module that supports all cards |
| 00:36.14 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: you'll have to remount the fs rw most likely. |
| 00:36.20 | dondelelcaro | s/the/a/ |
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| 00:36.24 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: a long time seeing I had all kinds of music / movies / etc.. stuff. |
| 00:36.40 | gilbertdeb | heheh. |
| 00:36.46 | gilbertdeb | so 3 hrs? |
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| 00:36.53 | bob2 | hinjo: no |
| 00:36.55 | sinuc_laptop | hi all |
| 00:37.02 | gilbertdeb | i'm trying to determine if it'll be easier to start from scratch or to move things over. |
| 00:37.03 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: depends on the speed of the disks, really |
| 00:37.30 | kjs3 | unfrgiven: why would I have to remount filesystems rw is they are mounted rw? |
| 00:37.47 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: do you have anything you don't want to lose, like lots of configurations and what not? would take a lot of time getting them back if you forgot one.. |
| 00:37.49 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: because the init 6 process should have started to remount them ro |
| 00:37.57 | gilbertdeb | Sebulba02: yeah. |
| 00:38.03 | hinjo | bob2: is there any alternative to the alsa-project one can use |
| 00:38.04 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: if it hasn't, you're going to want to do that before you get too far along. |
| 00:38.21 | sinuc_laptop | iam trying to install an eggdrop, and the eggdrop need tcl |
| 00:38.29 | dondelelcaro | sinuc_laptop: apt-get install eggdrop; |
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| 00:38.31 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: I found it better to just copy my file system, took god knows how long.. but it saved quite a bit of time. |
| 00:38.38 | tarzeau | still need a reboot without init,shutdown,reboot ? |
| 00:38.40 | gilbertdeb | i'd fine tuned this machine to high heaven ... except it's on a 4gig and a ihave a 40 gig. |
| 00:38.47 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: apparently. |
| 00:38.47 | sinuc_laptop | i have /usr/lib/libtcl8.2.so.1 and /usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so.1 there |
| 00:38.49 | tarzeau | kjs3: ? |
| 00:38.52 | tarzeau | try this: |
| 00:39.02 | tommyj | [Roosta]: did it work? |
| 00:39.06 | tarzeau | mov al,0feh out 64h,al |
| 00:39.06 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: heh, that should take no time at all, I had to copy 10s of gigs of stuff |
| 00:39.06 | bob2 | hinjo: why don't you want to use the alsa drivers? |
| 00:39.13 | bob2 | sinuc_laptop: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 00:39.14 | kzar | Sebulba02: the /etc/apache/httpd.conf is the right file to add the alias to isnt it? |
| 00:39.15 | [Roosta] | tommyj - no |
| 00:39.18 | kjs3 | dondelelcaro: end of foo pasted. |
| 00:39.21 | tommyj | [Roosta]: any error messages? |
| 00:39.21 | Sebulba02 | kzar: yep |
| 00:39.24 | sinuc_laptop | dondelelcaro: but the 'apt' eggdrop need tcl , too |
| 00:39.24 | tarzeau | do you need somethign compilable? |
| 00:39.26 | sinuc_laptop | or? |
| 00:39.31 | SocketERR | i'm search for a proxy-splitter or proxy-load-balancer. with failover function. |
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| 00:39.43 | kjs3 | init 6 doesn't do anything, as far as I can see. |
| 00:39.44 | hinjo | bob2: my chipset in not supported. |
| 00:39.45 | sinuc_laptop | and i need more than one eggdrop |
| 00:39.46 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: interesting code... what does it do? |
| 00:39.54 | dondelelcaro | sinuc_laptop: apt isn't an eggdrop. and apt-get isntall eggdrop installs tcl as well. |
| 00:39.56 | sinuc_laptop | for more than one user |
| 00:39.57 | kjs3 | certainly doesn't remount filesystems. |
| 00:40.10 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part4/ |
| 00:40.11 | sinuc_laptop | dondelelcaro: i know what apt is |
| 00:40.14 | [Roosta] | tommyj - something about failing to open a session to session manager |
| 00:40.15 | dondelelcaro | sinuc_laptop: and no, you don't. learn how eggdrops work before running them. |
| 00:40.24 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: look for: CPU's "reset" line |
| 00:40.31 | bob2 | hinjo: is it supported under linux at all? |
| 00:40.31 | sinuc_laptop | man? |
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| 00:40.37 | tarzeau | 0x60 is the keyboard controller |
| 00:40.42 | sinuc_laptop | whatsup? |
| 00:40.43 | bob2 | hinjo: 11:36:11 hinjo | I have a soundcard with a chipset that is listed in the alsa-project. |
| 00:40.49 | tarzeau | i also use that shit for www.linuks.mine.nu/uberkey/ |
| 00:40.50 | [Roosta] | tommyj - failed to open connection to a session manager |
| 00:40.52 | bob2 | sinuc_laptop: install the eggdrop package. |
| 00:41.00 | tommyj | [Roosta]: ps aux | grep -i gnome-session |
| 00:41.03 | sinuc_laptop | i ask something and u're do so am be stupid |
| 00:41.05 | tommyj | [Roosta]: what does that give you? |
| 00:41.11 | xsdg | tarzeau: uberkey? booting off key drive? |
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| 00:41.14 | tommyj | [Roosta]: do you see 'gnome-session' there? |
| 00:41.16 | sinuc_laptop | bob2: and where do apt install them? |
| 00:41.22 | tarzeau | xsdg: uberkey is a keylogger |
| 00:41.26 | bob2 | sinuc_laptop: look and see. dpkg -L eggdrop |
| 00:41.34 | tarzeau | xsdg: and that two assembly commands i wrote shoudl reboot your machine, no matter what |
| 00:41.36 | sinuc_laptop | i have a nice tarball taht i wantet to use |
| 00:41.36 | hinjo | bob2: sorry, left out a not, it's not supported |
| 00:41.41 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: it calls run-parts /etc/rc6.d, one of which is S40umountfs |
| 00:41.43 | tarzeau | i've never tried that in protected mode, but i think it works |
| 00:41.47 | bob2 | sinuc_laptop: why do you want to let kiddies use eggdrops on your machine? |
| 00:41.48 | tarzeau | of course it's not nice for your filesystem |
| 00:41.50 | [Roosta] | tommyj - i have to exit X when i want to come back here, so i assume you want that done when x is started? |
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| 00:41.58 | [Roosta] | tommyj - btw, i'm starting x via, startx |
| 00:41.58 | EspeonEefi | I'm getting "init: Id "6" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" repeatedly after logging out of the console terminal 6, and the login prompt is not coming back up. |
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| 00:42.13 | dondelelcaro | sinuc_laptop: if you're using debian, use the debian packages, If you're not, you're in the wrong channel. |
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| 00:42.23 | tommyj | [Roosta]: oh, then it's not strange it doesn't work. |
| 00:42.24 | tarzeau | if you want to annoy your windows friends get: www.linuks.mine.nu/ctrl-alt-del/ |
| 00:42.24 | mwilson | [Roosta]: What does X running or not running have to do with IRC? |
| 00:42.36 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: for whatever reason, your getty has failed. |
| 00:42.41 | tommyj | [Roosta]: edit your ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:42.42 | sinuc_laptop | bob2: for eg. two users USER1 and USER2, sure in /home/* |
| 00:42.46 | tommyj | [Roosta]: and add: gnome-session |
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| 00:42.56 | calamari- | hi |
| 00:42.57 | sinuc_laptop | everyone should have their own eggdrop |
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| 00:43.20 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: Is this a bad thing? It's been getting progressively worse, and this time, it's been like this for almost a full day. |
| 00:43.23 | sinuc_laptop | dondelelcaro: wanna that i go? |
| 00:43.25 | dondelelcaro | kjs3: hrm... that's interesting... its stuck in nanosleep. *shrug*. I'd wait until I got someone onsite, then mount the FS ro, then cycle the box. |
| 00:43.41 | xsdg | EspeonEefi: that's weird |
| 00:43.48 | dondelelcaro | sinuc_laptop: parse error. No clue what the FUCK you're talking about. |
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| 00:44.03 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: hrm... that's very strange... |
| 00:44.09 | sinuc_laptop | dondelelcaro: whatsup with ur ass? |
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| 00:44.19 | tarzeau | if someone tries that reboot stuff, i'm curious if it really works, please tell me |
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| 00:44.45 | bztunk | pownd |
| 00:44.50 | gilbertdeb | tarzeau: which reboot stuff? |
| 00:45.01 | tommyj | [Roosta]: why do you have to exit X to come here??? |
| 00:45.09 | tarzeau | 01:39 < tarzeau> mov al,0feh out 64h,al |
| 00:45.13 | tarzeau | gilbertdeb: that |
| 00:45.14 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: can you try starting a getty on tty6 with ulimit -c -1; or under gdb? |
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| 00:45.20 | tommyj | [Roosta]: ever heard of Ctrl+Alt+F{1-6} ? |
| 00:45.21 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: how does one try it? u cant type it in a shell... |
| 00:45.33 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: no one second i'll give you a .c file that you can compile |
| 00:45.40 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i'm on powerpc , i can't compile it for you |
| 00:45.41 | [Roosta] | gnome-session loses it's connection to the display |
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| 00:45.57 | tommyj | [Roosta]: if you press Ctrl+Alt+F1??? |
| 00:46.06 | pzrael | hey all, how do i logs from iptables (what are their default levels too?) to goto a terminal and a specified logfile? |
| 00:46.09 | kzar | Sebulba02: Im not sure what i changed but now when i go to the squirremail url it says forbidden lol |
| 00:46.12 | xsdg | tarzeau: out is an command? |
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| 00:46.26 | tarzeau | xsdg: yes, x86 assembly, since 8088/8086 |
| 00:46.31 | niktarin | hello all, I am looking for a gimp1.2-print_4.2.5 but I can't seem to find it? anyone knows where I can get the .deb file of it? |
| 00:46.32 | tommyj | have anyone here tried Suspend-to-Disk yet? |
| 00:46.38 | gilbertdeb | darth need i fdisk anything special on the new harddisk? |
| 00:46.39 | tarzeau | xsdg: it writes a byte (or word) to the i/o bus |
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| 00:46.42 | Sebulba02 | kzar: forbidden!? check the perms on /usr/share/squirrelmail |
| 00:46.49 | [Roosta] | tommyj - i didn't know i could do that |
| 00:46.53 | tarzeau | of course that shit only exists on i386, motorola has all memory mapped i/o |
| 00:46.53 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: yeah, you'll need to format/partition it. |
| 00:46.53 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: nup most drivers arent suspend capable |
| 00:46.54 | tommyj | [Roosta]: :P |
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| 00:47.04 | bob2 | niktarin: why that particular version? |
| 00:47.04 | gilbertdeb | yes, but in any special way? |
| 00:47.07 | bob2 | tarzeau: inb and outb. |
| 00:47.13 | xsdg | Unfrgiven: not true |
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| 00:47.19 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: oh, right. Too bad, that feature sounds pretty cool. |
| 00:47.20 | tarzeau | bob2: that's in c, in assembly it really is in and out |
| 00:47.23 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: nope, just like any other disk. |
| 00:47.26 | pzrael | err. how do i get the logs from iptabes -j LOG, rather |
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| 00:47.33 | bob2 | tarzeau: depending on the platform. |
| 00:47.39 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: How should I start getty? |
| 00:47.40 | gilbertdeb | excellent. |
| 00:47.40 | niktarin | bob2, cause I can't install 4.2.0 |
| 00:47.45 | gilbertdeb | wish me luck then. |
| 00:47.46 | xsdg | tommyj: pmdisk works apparently... I myself use swsusp2 (swsusp.sourceforge.net) |
| 00:47.46 | bob2 | pzrael: they go to sysklogd, /var/log/kern.log |
| 00:47.53 | bob2 | niktarin: so...? |
| 00:48.01 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: heh, good luck.. you have an extra box, in the event, right? |
| 00:48.02 | xsdg | tommyj: I haven't used it personally, though |
| 00:48.06 | gilbertdeb | huh? |
| 00:48.08 | bob2 | niktarin: what's your original question then? "hwo do I get gimprint in sid?"? |
| 00:48.14 | gilbertdeb | i have a laptop with knoppix spinning on there now. |
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| 00:48.21 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: ahh |
| 00:48.22 | tommyj | xsdg: oh, ok. so "you, yourself" is not you? :P |
| 00:48.22 | zignig | bleh ! |
| 00:48.28 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: ideally, gdb /sbin/getty; then r 38400 tty6; wait for the coredump, then type bt |
| 00:48.31 | tommyj | xsdg: how does swsusp2 work? |
| 00:48.37 | pzrael | bob2: i know where they're goin now, i want them to output to a terminal and a specified file |
| 00:48.41 | kzar | Sebulba02: /usr/share/squirrelmail/ is drwxr-xr-x and index.php is -rw-r--r-- |
| 00:48.43 | Sebulba02 | gilbertbsd: good enough, just make sure you have that restore disk so you can make your machine bootable. |
| 00:48.43 | gilbertdeb | in the event that ... ? |
| 00:48.44 | ezu | is there a site that has the latest fluxbox on it, but designed for stable? |
| 00:48.45 | Unfrgiven | xsdg: i think he mean suspend to disk thats part of 2.6 kernel |
| 00:48.48 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: its possible that getty has gone bonkers, or a core library is tweaked. |
| 00:48.49 | niktarin | bob2, maybe |
| 00:48.50 | gilbertdeb | ok. |
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| 00:48.56 | arauko | how do i install the Sans font? |
| 00:48.58 | bob2 | ezu: www.apt-get.org |
| 00:48.59 | xsdg | Unfrgiven: I know |
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| 00:49.00 | gilbertdeb | i think i cant find one somewhere. |
| 00:49.00 | bob2 | niktarin: maybe? |
| 00:49.02 | gilbertdeb | l8r |
| 00:49.07 | Sebulba02 | gilbertbsd: later |
| 00:49.10 | bob2 | arauko: it's not a font, it's an alias for your default sans font. |
| 00:49.10 | pzrael | bob2: i read up on the syslogd.conf, but i dont know what lvl the default level warning LOG spits out |
| 00:49.12 | bztunk | arauko: Sans is an alias to another font |
| 00:49.12 | ezu | bob2 ok thanks |
| 00:49.13 | Unfrgiven | xsdg: and it most cases i can tell u it wont work |
| 00:49.18 | Sebulba02 | kzar: uh |
| 00:49.22 | xsdg | ~tell Unfrgiven about u |
| 00:49.25 | dondelelcaro | !+u |
| 00:49.25 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 00:49.27 | niktarin | bob2 I am not sure? have unstable installed |
| 00:49.37 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: This is in an up-to-date sid i386 system, just for reference. |
| 00:49.43 | arauko | bob2: i got an application (xchat) and it goves error about that can`t find sans font |
| 00:49.46 | Unfrgiven | xsdg: U know what i mean when i say U. get over it |
| 00:49.49 | xsdg | tommyj: swsusp2 basically saves memory to swap |
| 00:49.52 | tommyj | ~tell me about ne1 |
| 00:49.55 | debian_user | windowmaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running? can i two win manager run? when yes, how is the command??? |
| 00:50.01 | bztunk | hey wsup ne1? u r gay |
| 00:50.04 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: you can /msg dpkg ne1; as well. |
| 00:50.05 | gilbertbsd | debian_user, sure. |
| 00:50.09 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:50.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell bztunk about gay |
| 00:50.11 | gilbertbsd | just run the new one under xnest |
| 00:50.12 | Sebulba02 | kzar: I dunno, what ever you changed.. its finding something somewhere.. |
| 00:50.14 | gilbertbsd | or start a new X server. |
| 00:50.19 | bob2 | niktarin: what is your actual question then? |
| 00:50.21 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i was joking, kthx |
| 00:50.23 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: gdb says no debugging symbols found twice, and then getty bails with signal 01. |
| 00:50.35 | bob2 | debian_user: you can't run two window managers on the same screen. |
| 00:50.40 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: s/signal/code/ |
| 00:50.43 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: that didn't make sence... |
| 00:50.50 | tommyj | xsdg: ok, and it works good? |
| 00:50.51 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/unfrgiven/reboot.c |
| 00:51.03 | arauko | bztunk: yeah.. but when i run xchat says that can`t find sans font.. what package i have to install that includes it? |
| 00:51.03 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: just type /msg dpkg ne1 into your irc client. |
| 00:51.04 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: thanx ill take a look |
| 00:51.09 | tarzeau | please try, gcc reboot.c && ./a.out (be aware it will reboot your computer) |
| 00:51.15 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: u should take a look at the link too |
| 00:51.20 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: I did that and got "there is no nick ne1 ..." |
| 00:51.21 | tarzeau | (if it compiles) |
| 00:51.24 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 00:51.28 | pzrael | =( |
| 00:51.31 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: you're missing the /msg dpkg part. |
| 00:51.33 | bztunk | arauko: are you using a gtk1-linked xchat? |
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| 00:51.36 | gnome2 | hi |
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| 00:51.46 | gnome2 | i've a problem with debian/sid |
| 00:51.47 | Wembly | anyone know what the status of mono for debian is? |
| 00:51.58 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: no I'm not |
| 00:51.58 | gnome2 | when i want to compile licq's qt-plugin comes this |
| 00:52.01 | xsdg | tommyj: there are still some issues, but since I'm on a lappie, suspend is more important than the issues I'm facing |
| 00:52.01 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: yeah, it'll fail, then hit bt. |
| 00:52.02 | arauko | bztunk: no |
| 00:52.07 | gnome2 | hecking for QT >= 2.1... no |
| 00:52.08 | xsdg | ~tell gnome2 about sicco |
| 00:52.09 | gnome2 | Sorry, but you need QT version 2.1 or higher to compile the Qt gui plugin. |
| 00:52.12 | taggsladd | which filesystem should a raid partition be?.. i use raidtools2 and have raided three disks with raid-0..and formated the raid partiton /dev/md0 to ext2. but when i try to mount /dev/md0 it complains about worng fs type bad superblocks....... ? |
| 00:52.13 | tommyj | xsdg: ok :) |
| 00:52.18 | gnome2 | what must i install for this? |
| 00:52.18 | bztunk | arauko: it's gtk2? then install any tff-* package |
| 00:52.19 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: im almost scared to try this :P |
| 00:52.21 | Wembly | the website on planetdebian.org shows a stopage of activity on the 23rd of nov... |
| 00:52.23 | niktarin | bob2, I have gimp 1.2.5-3 installed. How do I install gimp1.2-print? |
| 00:52.23 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: http://www.atoker.com/mono/ |
| 00:52.25 | Wembly | but dosnt say why. |
| 00:52.26 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: what client are you using? whatever it is, it doesn't understand normal IRC syntax. |
| 00:52.27 | bztunk | arauko: and be sure to have fontconfig |
| 00:52.28 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: just do sync |
| 00:52.29 | bob2 | gnome2: so don't compile it, install the packages. |
| 00:52.35 | arauko | bztunk: ok.. let me try |
| 00:52.38 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: go into single user mode, kill all processes you don't need |
| 00:52.38 | Wembly | sebulba: any relation to the one at planetdebian? |
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| 00:52.40 | tarzeau | then try it |
| 00:52.41 | gnome2 | bob2: no, i want to compile... |
| 00:52.43 | bob2 | Wembly: yeah it does, a bunch of machines were compromised. |
| 00:52.45 | bob2 | gnome2: why? |
| 00:52.46 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: do whatever you need to do to message the bot, dpkg, with your question, ne1.. |
| 00:52.54 | bob2 | niktarin: if it's uninstallable, file a bug if no one else has. |
| 00:52.59 | ezu | bob2 that gave 2 sites.. one im kind of worryed about putting on there, the backports.org .. |
| 00:53.02 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: not sure.. go and let me know :) |
| 00:53.02 | gnome2 | bob2: please say me what qt package i need :).... |
| 00:53.03 | tomsa | Hello, how can I create a link /dev/mouse2 to my USB mouse ? |
| 00:53.04 | gnome2 | :)) |
| 00:53.07 | tommyj | <dpkg> There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be |
| 00:53.11 | tommyj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.14 | Wembly | yea... its the exact same webpage |
| 00:53.26 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: it compiled? |
| 00:53.28 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: oh, that's the response from dpkg. |
| 00:53.28 | Wembly | still last log entry was nov 24th.. and i didnt find any mailing list or forums... |
| 00:53.29 | pneuma | crud. apache-common install on sid fails with complaint that /var/lib/apache/mod-bandwidth not found |
| 00:53.30 | bztunk | arauko: arauko actually, it's ttf-* |
| 00:53.36 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: nothing can break, just start it ;) |
| 00:53.37 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: yes, is it correct? |
| 00:53.40 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: you can trust me |
| 00:53.47 | bob2 | Wembly: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 00:53.56 | arauko | bztunk: ooh hah i see |
| 00:53.57 | dondelelcaro | tommyj: yeah. instead of going !tell me about foo; you can just /msg dpkg foo; |
| 00:53.58 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: yes it compiled |
| 00:53.59 | bob2 | Wembly: news of the comrpomise was on pracitally EVERY mailing list. |
| 00:54.05 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 00:54.11 | debian_user | bob2 how i can run in other screen??? |
| 00:54.13 | Wembly | bob2: apparntly not the same thing as you... |
| 00:54.20 | arauko | bztunk: theres a lot of packages.... what should i instalñl? |
| 00:54.22 | tomsa | Hello, how can I create a link /dev/mouse2 to my USB mouse ? |
| 00:54.23 | Wembly | bob2: wtf does the comrpomise have todo with anything? |
| 00:54.26 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: you'll run it or not? |
| 00:54.36 | bob2 | Wembly: it shut everything down. |
| 00:54.38 | pneuma | anyone running apache on sid can they see of they have /var/lib/apache/mod-bandwidth and dpkg -S it?? |
| 00:54.41 | gnome2 | bob2: can u tell me what package i need? |
| 00:54.42 | bztunk | arauko: i like ttf-bitstream-vera, but it's up to you |
| 00:54.50 | bob2 | tomsa: ln -s /dev/input/mice /dev/mouse2 |
| 00:54.53 | arauko | bztunk: that will include sans? |
| 00:54.55 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: At the gdb prompt after it fails, type bt? gdb replies "No stack."... |
| 00:54.56 | Sebulba02 | bob2: Wembly is talking about mono |
| 00:54.56 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: it fails with error 1? hrm... |
| 00:54.57 | Wembly | bob2: shut everything down for debian but not nessarily for something unconnected with debian... |
| 00:54.58 | bob2 | gnome2: stop it, use the packages. /msg dpkg search |
| 00:55.00 | bob2 | Sebulba02: oh |
| 00:55.01 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: its not me that needed it... it was kjs3. i dont want to reboot my machine atm... got some work on it |
| 00:55.04 | tomsa | bob2: thanks |
| 00:55.05 | xsdg | pneuma: apache1? |
| 00:55.10 | arauko | bztunk: if it makes this work, then ill get that |
| 00:55.11 | bztunk | arauko: sans, serif and mono |
| 00:55.12 | tarzeau | kjs3: still there? |
| 00:55.15 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: u there??? |
| 00:55.16 | pneuma | xsdg: yeah |
| 00:55.18 | arauko | bztunk: nice... thanks |
| 00:55.20 | tarzeau | kjs3: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/unfrgiven/reboot.c |
| 00:55.21 | Wembly | sebulba: that website you gave me the same as the one at planetdebian... |
| 00:55.24 | xsdg | pneuma: aah... can't help, sorry |
| 00:55.34 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: I hadn't seen that they stopped packaging mono for debian.. |
| 00:55.44 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: r u 12? |
| 00:55.52 | Wembly | sebulba: well i dunno what it means... if you read the latest entry dated 24th of nov... |
| 00:55.55 | marton | Is there a way to, for example, have /home get mounted on /dev/hda6 during the install of woody? I didn't notice any chance to do this, nor info in the install manual. I've found a way to mount what I want where I want after the fact, but it's far from ideal. |
| 00:55.59 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: huh?!?! what are u talking about? |
| 00:56.03 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: check syslog to see where its failing. |
| 00:56.12 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: its bcuz u talk like 1 |
| 00:56.16 | arauko | bztunk: dude.. sure thats the correct name??.. it doesn`t come up anything with apt-cache |
| 00:56.20 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: I've found bugs #224067 and #224028 that seem similar, but I'm not familiar enough with what's happening to know. |
| 00:56.24 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: yeah, thats what I read.. there isn't a developer who is packaging debs for it anymore.. until someone picks it up |
| 00:56.24 | Wembly | bob2: the compromise on debian's systems was around the 20thish (19th or somesuch) of nov or sept? i forget... |
| 00:56.33 | Wembly | that sucks. |
| 00:56.34 | pneuma | xsdg: i will just purge it and re-install and see... |
| 00:56.37 | tomsa | bob2: I have no such device when I try tail -f /dev/mouse2 |
| 00:56.39 | Wembly | they need a mailing list or somesuch atleast. |
| 00:56.42 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: thats good to know. like i care. i wasnt talking to u anyway |
| 00:56.44 | bztunk | arauko: ttf-bitstream-vera |
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| 00:56.58 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: hahaha ok |
| 00:57.02 | gnome2 | bob2: and when i compile a other software that isnt in sid, then i need it again ... :( please help ne |
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| 00:57.07 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: could always just get the src from the mono website and compile it.. |
| 00:57.08 | bob2 | tomsa: duh, it means you don't have kernel support. |
| 00:57.10 | bob2 | gnome2: no |
| 00:57.16 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: now dont make me go dob on you ;) |
| 00:57.19 | Wembly | sebulba: too much a pita |
| 00:57.21 | bob2 | tomsa: use a debian kernel and install hotplug |
| 00:57.28 | tomsa | bob2: ok |
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| 00:57.40 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: heh |
| 00:57.43 | arauko | bztunk: nothing dude |
| 00:57.49 | Megrim | ok... here is the result of my adventures playing with xfdrake |
| 00:57.52 | Wembly | sebulba: i dont mind doing that for some things but there is too much planning and such todo for it to integrate into debian like they have it |
| 00:58.01 | Wembly | itd be easier to just grab the package |
| 00:58.02 | bztunk | arauko: maybe it's not in woody or sarge.. what are you using? |
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| 00:58.12 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: guess he isnt here... |
| 00:58.14 | arauko | bztunk: using woddy |
| 00:58.18 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: get one of the .debs, undo it and look at all the conf files? |
| 00:58.28 | Wembly | *shrug* dunno |
| 00:58.29 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i'm curious if it works |
| 00:58.31 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: oops... could b a she. ;) |
| 00:58.32 | bztunk | arauko: it's not in woody. Are you sure xchat is linked to gtk2? |
| 00:58.34 | Wembly | why not just grab the debian and install it? |
| 00:58.38 | Wembly | err the .deb hehe |
| 00:58.40 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: but i don't have x86 machines around |
| 00:58.53 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: err, because its 3 versions out of date :) |
| 00:58.53 | dondelelcaro | EspeonEefi: yeah, those might be what you're seeing, but they seem to be alpha related... |
| 00:59.06 | arauko | bztunk: how do i check it? |
| 00:59.09 | Wembly | sebulba: did anything speical or odd happen on the 24th of nov? was it then that debian got corpmoised? |
| 00:59.13 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: it's safe to run it from a live cd, for example |
| 00:59.13 | Wembly | err compromised? |
| 00:59.18 | Wembly | or was it sept? |
| 00:59.24 | debian_user | bob2? how i run a windowmaker session??? |
| 00:59.25 | bztunk | arauko: apt-cache show xchat, i'm pretty sure it's gtk1 |
| 00:59.38 | bztunk | arauko: and i guess you don't have fontconfig either |
| 00:59.39 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: yeah its just that i dont want to reboot right this moment... got lots of work open :) |
| 00:59.42 | gnome2 | bob2: when i install the licq package from sid means my system /usr/local/bin/licq not found |
| 00:59.47 | gnome2 | by entering licq |
| 00:59.56 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: it was mid november, if I recall, i don't think that had anything/much to do with that developer stopping.. |
| 00:59.56 | bztunk | arauko: and i don't remember/ don't want to remember how gtk1 handles fonts |
| 00:59.57 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: it's ok :) maybe we can find someone else |
| 01:00.01 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: I think I'm going to go ahead an send some extra info with what I'm seeing. |
| 01:00.05 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: let's rename it to "download-porn" ? |
| 01:00.08 | arauko | bztunk: yeahlibgtk1.2 |
| 01:00.11 | Covener | bztunk: xftconfig |
| 01:00.12 | bob2 | gnome2: wtf are you doing? install libqt2-dev |
| 01:00.14 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: LOL! |
| 01:00.20 | bob2 | debian_user: /msg dpkg wm |
| 01:00.20 | Wembly | sebulba: it was the 19th iirc |
| 01:00.27 | bztunk | Covener: then help mister arauko here :D |
| 01:00.32 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: yeah, sounds about right |
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| 01:00.38 | Covener | What does he need, a sans alias? |
| 01:00.39 | Wembly | sebulba: but i dont recall when it was discovered/announced |
| 01:00.51 | Wembly | i know because my system got exploited that same day. |
| 01:00.59 | Wembly | and the same rootkit was installed |
| 01:01.10 | Wembly | but i dunno if it was via the same path.. |
| 01:01.12 | arauko | Covener: yeah.. i got an applicatoion that doesn`t find sans |
| 01:01.16 | kjs3 | tarneau: Thanks. Trying now. |
| 01:01.19 | Sebulba02 | Wembly: ouch, I'm sure you could dig into any of the mailing list archives and find it. |
| 01:01.25 | kzar | Sebulba02: what are your permissions of your index.php set to? |
| 01:01.25 | damajha | bob2: thanks for the sound advice... I appreciate it! |
| 01:01.38 | Covener | arauko: http://www.cede.psu.edu/~covener/fonts.html and look for the XFT1 section |
| 01:01.43 | Wembly | find out why mono packaging stopped? |
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| 01:01.48 | Wembly | i tried but failed horridly |
| 01:01.52 | arauko | Covener: ok, thks |
| 01:01.52 | Covener | arauko: also may be interested in changing your default font in .gtkrc |
| 01:01.57 | Wembly | finding info from the debian mailing lists is very difficult. |
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| 01:02.01 | Wembly | anyhow i gotta get outa here |
| 01:02.02 | Wembly | bibi |
| 01:02.06 | arauko | Covener: i think ill do that |
| 01:02.07 | Wembly | thank you sebulba :) |
| 01:02.10 | Sebulba02 | kzar: rw-r-r |
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| 01:02.13 | debian_user | bob2 i want start in a other session |
| 01:02.16 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 01:02.22 | kzar | sebula02: what owner and group? |
| 01:02.24 | debian_user | err: will |
| 01:02.30 | Sebulba02 | kzar: root:root |
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| 01:02.50 | kzar | Sebulba02:same here, wierd |
| 01:02.50 | Sebulba02 | uhh, wait |
| 01:03.00 | Sebulba02 | kzar: rw-r-xr-x, root:root * |
| 01:03.06 | Sebulba02 | bah |
| 01:03.12 | Sebulba02 | crap, nm, wrong thing.. |
| 01:03.25 | run_apt | i'm setting up a routing box that will act as a dhcp server... i get my ip using dhcp from my ISP, along with my nameservers... how will the people who get ips from my router know what the nameservers will be? in the dhcp howto, i see how to pass nameservers to clients statically, but not dynamically... |
| 01:03.40 | Sebulba02 | kzar: i'd still say its something with your sqirrelmail config |
| 01:03.49 | Covener | run_apt: you could run something like dnsmasq on the router |
| 01:04.10 | shwag | how do I locate smb file shares on the network ? |
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| 01:04.56 | kzar | Sebulba02: well im giving up for tonight, thanks for the help |
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| 01:05.05 | Covener | run_apt: which has it's own advantages, cacheing and naming of lan ip's w/out the overhead of say bind |
| 01:05.07 | fletch- | hi everyone. |
| 01:05.08 | Sebulba02 | kzar: np |
| 01:05.26 | fletch- | for some odd reason, x reboots my computer out of the blue. does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? |
| 01:05.50 | gilbertdeb | fletch- it's the dreaded invisible vulcan death pinch. |
| 01:06.01 | run_apt | Covener, thanks, i'll look into it... |
| 01:06.02 | Unfrgiven | fletch-: are you sure that it is X? |
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| 01:06.24 | Sebulba02 | x reboots your machine? |
| 01:06.33 | gnome2 | bob2: checking for QT libraries... yes, lib: -lqt-mt in /usr/lib |
| 01:06.34 | gnome2 | checking for QT >= 2.1... no |
| 01:06.34 | gnome2 | configure: error: |
| 01:06.34 | gnome2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.40 | gnome2 | sorry |
| 01:06.42 | gnome2 | :( |
| 01:07.07 | tola | hi. I've installed debian stable with a 2.4 kernel. I wanted to upgrade to unstable, but I found that apt-setup didn't give me the option of stable or unstable but defaults to stable. What I did was to set up apt with stable then vim the sources manually and simply changed all the instances of the word "stable" to "unstable". Was this the wrong way of going about it? It seems to work except for the debian security upgrades which wouldn't download. |
| 01:07.11 | dings | Is there any way to remotly by console to log on an X-session? |
| 01:07.18 | run_apt | shwag, try linneighborhood... |
| 01:07.27 | gnome2 | qtlibraries are found |
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| 01:07.31 | gnome2 | but qt himself not |
| 01:07.36 | gnome2 | what package must be installed? |
| 01:07.39 | dings | something like rfb, just with the possibility to logon |
| 01:07.43 | bob2 | tola: that's fine, but there are no security updates for stable. |
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| 01:08.04 | xsdg | tola: unstable has no "security" branch |
| 01:08.06 | run_apt | shwag, for some reason, this seems to go unanswered for a lot of people... but try linneighborhood, see if you like it... it reminds me of network neighborhood from back when i used to use windows |
| 01:08.09 | xsdg | tola: security updates go straight in |
| 01:08.15 | xsdg | tola: s#branch |
| 01:08.20 | xsdg | #source# |
| 01:08.21 | tola | bob2: did you mean unstable? |
| 01:08.35 | tola | ah ok, that makes sense. |
| 01:08.38 | bob2 | tola: yes. |
| 01:08.44 | tola | bob2: thanks |
| 01:08.57 | bztunk | gnome2: why do you want qt when you are gnome? |
| 01:09.13 | run_apt | tola, and yes, that was the "right way" as much as there is a right way... |
| 01:09.19 | niktarin | what does "rc" before a package mean when I do dpkg -l ? |
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| 01:09.36 | Sebulba02 | niktarin: release candidate |
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| 01:09.39 | tola | run_apt: ah, good. thanks. |
| 01:09.42 | aeruder | niktarin: it means that it is uninstalled but the configuration files are still installed |
| 01:09.53 | aeruder | Sebulba02: uhh... do you have any idea what you're talking about ;) |
| 01:09.56 | Sebulba02 | niktarin: oops, sorry.. wrong rc |
| 01:09.59 | xsdg | niktarin: look at the top |
| 01:09.59 | aeruder | hehe |
| 01:10.03 | niktarin | thanks |
| 01:10.04 | Sebulba02 | aeruder: uh, yeah, just thought too fast :) |
| 01:10.13 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: we will never find out |
| 01:10.31 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: indeed :( |
| 01:10.36 | fletch- | Unfrgiven: pretty sure. if i kill x, the system doesn't reboot. |
| 01:10.38 | tola | another thing. after I'd finished installing stable with a 2.4 kernel with what I thought were pretty bog standard choices in tasksel, XFree86 wasn't installed properly, I had to apt-get install the package manually. Is this normal? |
| 01:10.54 | aeruder | tasksel not working? sounds normal |
| 01:11.02 | tola | aeruder: lol |
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| 01:11.10 | fletch- | Unfrgiven: i have no idea what the heck it might be. if the same happened in windows i would be certain it was a problem w/ hardware... |
| 01:11.17 | mwilson | If you didn't install anything that required X, well, then X didn't get installed. |
| 01:11.23 | tola | aeruder: you sound bitter ;) |
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| 01:11.29 | xsdg | fletch-: did you look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
| 01:11.45 | kjs3 | tarneau: No effect. |
| 01:11.54 | fletch- | xsdg: yes, and it doesn't really help unfortunately. |
| 01:11.55 | tarzeau | kjs3: start it multiple times! |
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| 01:12.04 | tarzeau | kjs3: i think i left out something important |
| 01:12.18 | xsdg | fletch-: what's the last line? |
| 01:12.19 | tarzeau | kjs3: if it doesn't reboot when you start it 100 times, it doesn't work |
| 01:12.27 | kjs3 | tarneau: serially or in parallel? |
| 01:12.27 | tarzeau | kjs3: you run it as root, right? |
| 01:12.33 | tarzeau | kjs3: serially |
| 01:12.39 | kjs3 | tarneau: yes...run as root |
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| 01:13.30 | sandman | How good is Debian's foundation? |
| 01:13.35 | sandman | For getting it money, I mean. |
| 01:14.16 | tarzeau | kjs3: or redownload and re-run it |
| 01:14.21 | kjs3 | tarneau: run 200 times. Doesn't work. |
| 01:14.22 | tarzeau | kjs3: really no effect? |
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| 01:14.26 | tarzeau | kjs3: damn |
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| 01:14.37 | sandman | Is the greatest optimization for a system from its kernel compile? |
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| 01:15.32 | fletch- | xsdg: (II) USB Mice: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded |
| 01:16.46 | duncanmv | hi, how can I see what is apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade going to do, without doing it? |
| 01:17.13 | EspeonEefi | dondelelcaro: The problem was the same. I rolled back to util-linux 2.12-3 (before the patch which seems to be getting the blame) and the problem ended. |
| 01:17.25 | tarzeau | how can i run "cli" in c? |
| 01:17.28 | xsdg | fletch-: dunno... try #xfree86? |
| 01:17.29 | tarzeau | the assembly command |
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| 01:17.43 | fletch- | xsdg: thanks. will do. |
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| 01:17.58 | zxcv | tarzeau: inline asm? |
| 01:18.04 | tarzeau | zxcv: yes, how? |
| 01:18.37 | zxcv | tarzeau: look on google, inline asm gcc |
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| 01:19.19 | tola | could someone explain to me the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade, I don't understand the book I'm reading |
| 01:19.34 | zxcv | tola: man apt-get, it will tell you the difference |
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| 01:21.01 | tola | zxcv: reading that manual page it seems I should be doing dist-upgrade, but I can't understand why someone would use straight upgrade |
| 01:21.01 | plugwash | dist-upgrade is more agressive |
| 01:21.16 | plugwash | it will add and remove pacakges to assist the upgrade |
| 01:21.31 | puff | Hey folks... I'm looking at installing Knoppix, because I heard it has this great installer. Now somebody tells me debian just released a great new installer. |
| 01:21.38 | puff | Which way should I go? |
| 01:21.44 | plugwash | personally i don't advise useing it |
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| 01:21.46 | zxcv | tola: maybe you should look at the source if the manpage is too vague :) |
| 01:21.57 | tarzeau | kjs3: can you redownload and retry, please? |
| 01:22.21 | tola | plugwash: do you mean you wouldn't advise using dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:22.43 | tola | zxcv: I wish I could understand it! I'm afraid my programming skills are somewhat lacking ;) |
| 01:22.51 | plugwash | yes |
| 01:23.01 | kjs3 | tarneau: on it. |
| 01:23.09 | gilbertdeb | tola, the reading process will sharpen the lack somewhat. |
| 01:23.12 | gilbertdeb | go for it ;) |
| 01:23.22 | tola | plugwash: ok, I'll stick with upgrade for now and see what I break ;) |
| 01:23.42 | tola | gilbertdeb: oh ok, I'm sure I won't understand any of it but I'll give it a go |
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| 01:24.21 | tarzeau | kjs3: nothing? |
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| 01:24.23 | hanasaki | which font serer should i be running? xfs? xfstt? xfs-xtt |
| 01:24.36 | zxcv | hanasaki: xfs |
| 01:24.37 | hanasaki | wb beth |
| 01:24.40 | sirk | if i have an xterm open in one of the four desktops in kde is there any way to move it to another? |
| 01:24.42 | hanasaki | only xfs? |
| 01:24.43 | kjs3 | tarneau: one sec |
| 01:25.09 | tola | while I'm doing an apt-get upgrade I keep being asked if I want to use the config file that the package maintainer wrote or one that has already been created with a script. As I don't know what the config files do, what should I do as a rule of thumb? |
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| 01:25.59 | Covener | sirk: click the upper left hand corner of the window, should be a sendto desktop n link |
| 01:26.23 | gilbertdeb | are there any special advantages in having partitions? |
| 01:26.31 | sirk | Covener awesome... this makes me happy |
| 01:26.42 | gilbertdeb | my current setup has just 2: 1 for /, the other for swap. |
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| 01:26.54 | ToreSB | Greetings, humans |
| 01:27.07 | tarzeau | ToreSB: i'm martian |
| 01:27.08 | gilbertdeb | ToreSB, shall i take you to our leader? |
| 01:27.16 | Covener | gilbertdeb: might be a pain if you ever reinstall, or install another OS and want to access same data files (/home for example) |
| 01:27.18 | ganja | how i configure windowmaker? |
| 01:27.22 | hanasaki | xfs runs on port 7100. it is runniing but telnet to 7100 fails to connect. what could be wrong? |
| 01:27.25 | nighter | glidbertdeb: if you gona reinstall your system later is nice to have a seperate partion on /home |
| 01:27.27 | tarzeau | ganja: mit WPrefs |
| 01:27.28 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: if there is, I haven't found one. Maybe if you lose one.. you don't lose your whole system.. |
| 01:27.29 | bztunk | ganja: you open the preferences? |
| 01:27.30 | tarzeau | ganja: schwizer? |
| 01:27.43 | gilbertdeb | Sebulba02, i've been careful >:) |
| 01:27.45 | ganja | tarzeau, bern |
| 01:27.53 | ToreSB | tarzeau: Thus, I do not greet you. |
| 01:28.01 | ganja | du? |
| 01:28.01 | ToreSB | gilbertdeb: I have no desire to speak with Bush. |
| 01:28.04 | tola | nighter: is it possible to use a fat32 partition for /home ? |
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| 01:28.10 | tarzeau | ganja: aargau, #linux.ch |
| 01:28.19 | ToreSB | gilbertdeb: I fear stupidity might be contageous. |
| 01:28.20 | z|bandito | i just lost a bunch of hdd space over the past few days, what is the easiest way to see where it went? can i do like a ls -Rla | sort and use some sort of chronological sorting or soemthing? |
| 01:28.22 | ToreSB | tola: Yes. |
| 01:28.22 | nighter | tola: ye if you like |
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| 01:28.23 | tarzeau | tola: if you can live without file permissions |
| 01:28.26 | gilbertdeb | ToreSB, heheh. |
| 01:28.29 | kjs3 | tarneau: sorry...box appears to have locked up. Give me a minute. |
| 01:28.32 | ganja | muss zuerst mein tastatur layout konfigurieren <( |
| 01:28.39 | ganja | kann ned mal mehr smilez machn grinz |
| 01:28.41 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: same here, I back everything up to 3 different places every day or so. |
| 01:28.43 | tarzeau | ganja: x or console? |
| 01:28.43 | tola | ToreSB: how do you go about setting that up? |
| 01:28.50 | Covener | z| cd / and do du|sort -n |
| 01:28.55 | ganja | wmake |
| 01:29.00 | Covener | z|bandito: ^^, and then wait... |
| 01:29.05 | ToreSB | tola: No problem. |
| 01:29.05 | gilbertdeb | i think i'll just stick to the 2 partition setup then. |
| 01:29.10 | ganja | in kde is auf de ch |
| 01:29.27 | z|bandito | thanks =] |
| 01:29.31 | ToreSB | tola: But, you will have no file permissions |
| 01:29.37 | tarzeau | kjs3: ok i see |
| 01:29.50 | gilbertdeb | Sebulba02, /boot seperate? |
| 01:29.52 | ToreSB | tola: So, unless you are the only user, it's an extremely extremely EXTREMELY bad idea. |
| 01:29.53 | tola | ToreSB: that doesn't really bother me |
| 01:30.03 | tola | ToreSB: I am the only user |
| 01:30.11 | nighter | is also minmise the risk for a user to fuck up the hole system if you have many partions. becasue everything is a file in *nix and if the system could not write to the disk if its full the system would be unusible |
| 01:30.12 | ToreSB | tola: Allrighty. Oh, and make backups. |
| 01:30.12 | hanasaki | how do i configure xfree to use xfs? |
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| 01:30.13 | Sebulba02 | gilbertdeb: yeah, personal preference probably |
| 01:30.15 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# wprefs bash: wprefs: command not found |
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| 01:30.24 | tarzeau | ganja: WPrefs |
| 01:30.28 | gilbertdeb | mkay. |
| 01:30.30 | tarzeau | ganja: NOT as root |
| 01:30.35 | ganja | ahso |
| 01:30.36 | ganja | eh eh |
| 01:30.43 | tola | ToreSB: actually would it be possible to make /home/tola a fat32 partition? or is that pushing it? ;) |
| 01:30.43 | ToreSB | tola: Anyway, you just mount that partition. |
| 01:30.46 | plugwash | nighter that is why linux reseves some space for root by default |
| 01:30.50 | ToreSB | tola: Sure, it would. |
| 01:30.56 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: damn im gone for a short while and kjs3 comes back... now i wanna know if it worked |
| 01:30.59 | plugwash | so root can still sort stuff out even if a user runs a drive filler |
| 01:31.00 | ToreSB | tola: Possible, that is. Not pushing it := |
| 01:31.02 | ToreSB | :)* |
| 01:31.08 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: have u updated the program? what was the link again? |
| 01:31.17 | tola | ToreSB: :) |
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| 01:31.20 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: we're having fun rebooting our computers, you missed everything! |
| 01:31.33 | De_Mon | doing traffic shaping am i better off using iptables -j MARK or -j CLASSIFY ? |
| 01:31.38 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/unfrgiven/reboot.c |
| 01:31.57 | ganja | tarzeau, need keyboard layout settings not screen >) |
| 01:32.06 | ljlane | De_Mon: http://www.lartc.org/ and #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:32.09 | ToreSB | tola: Well, what would be the good idea, would be to mount it separately, and then make an init script, to sync the directories |
| 01:32.11 | tarzeau | ganja: de_CH in your x config file, restart x |
| 01:32.20 | tarzeau | ganja: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ if you want to look at mine |
| 01:32.34 | tola | ToreSB: ok |
| 01:32.41 | De_Mon | off to another network i go, hiho hiho |
| 01:32.43 | lifeform | is it possible to run xawtv over the network (X11). I have a tv card in macine A and am trying to launch xawtv on it from machine b (by sshing, I have xhosts + on). I get the error "can't open x11 display :10.0" |
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| 01:33.04 | tarzeau | lifeform: yes in grabbing mode i think, but it's hellish slow |
| 01:33.07 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: kjs3 still hasnt returned :( |
| 01:33.20 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: his computer locked up or something he said |
| 01:33.25 | lifeform | tarzeau: in viewing mode? |
| 01:33.29 | tarzeau | lifeform: yes |
| 01:33.37 | mercutio | please i have a problem when i do fakeroot make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 01:33.47 | ToreSB | tola: Thus, you could copy it automatically from your "My Documents" assuming you're using Microsatan Windows, at bootup, and at shutdown copy them back. Or symlink your homedir, or something. |
| 01:33.47 | tarzeau | lifeform: you know there is xawdecode with which you can watch paytv? |
| 01:33.53 | ganja | kannste schnell befehl schreiben tarzeau, kann fast ned mit diesem layout |
| 01:33.58 | ToreSB | Can you symlink directories, btw? |
| 01:33.58 | tarzeau | mercutio: that is not a question |
| 01:33.59 | tola | lifeform: I've not been able to get it to work, but I believe a better way is to stream the output of your card over the network which can be viewed with something like mplayer. As I say I haven't got it to work myself, but have a google on "dvbstream" |
| 01:33.59 | lifeform | tarzeau: nope |
| 01:34.13 | run_apt | when i'm setting up dhcpd, i'm getting "No subnet declaration for eth0", then asks me to write a subnet declaration for the network eth0 is connected to... what does this mean, exactly? If I'm assigning addresses on that interface, why do i need to add a subnet declaration for the network its on? |
| 01:34.15 | tarzeau | ganja: ctrl-alt-f1, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:34.38 | ToreSB | tola: Give me some time - my brain is working on it ;) |
| 01:34.43 | lifeform | tarzeau: when I run xawtv on the remote m/c it says "cant open x11 display :10.0' though I am able to popup xterms |
| 01:34.55 | mercutio | tarzeau, i can't create a package with my new kernel? |
| 01:34.59 | tarzeau | lifeform: hmmm i don't know |
| 01:35.03 | tola | ToreSB: ok sure ;) no hurry, was just a though |
| 01:35.07 | ganja | as root tarzeau? |
| 01:35.08 | Covener | lifeform: none of those apps work well remotely |
| 01:35.12 | tarzeau | ganja: yes |
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| 01:35.38 | Web52|Doochy | Is there a kernel .deb |
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| 01:35.41 | Web52|Doochy | 2.5 |
| 01:35.41 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
| 01:35.46 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: no but 2.6 |
| 01:35.52 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: at least test11 for i386 |
| 01:35.56 | Web52|Doochy | url? |
| 01:35.58 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 |
| 01:36.01 | lifeform | Covener: too bad. now my DVD cant be headless anymore :-( |
| 01:36.08 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: with super cow powers you don't need urls anymore |
| 01:36.10 | Web52|Doochy | so |
| 01:36.13 | tola | does anyone have an answer to my previous question? During an apt-get upgrade when asked whether to use the package maintainer's config file or one previously created by a script, which should I choose as a rule of thumb as I don't know what all the config files do? |
| 01:36.23 | Web52|Doochy | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386; apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 |
| 01:36.26 | Web52|Doochy | am i right? |
| 01:36.36 | tarzeau | tola: the one of the maintainer unless you have done customization |
| 01:36.49 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: if you have the image you don't need the source |
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| 01:36.52 | ToreSB | tola: Allright - the best way to do it would be to do this at bootup: |
| 01:36.59 | Web52|Doochy | tarzeau: ok |
| 01:37.03 | Web52|Doochy | so |
| 01:37.04 | Web52|Doochy | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 |
| 01:37.04 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
| 01:37.05 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: and there's test11 already i think |
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| 01:37.06 | dijaster | anyone: There is a program which normally runs fine, but fails to find libjpeg.so when I try to submit it as a job using qsub. Any ideas about why this happens? |
| 01:37.13 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: yes |
| 01:37.24 | Web52|Doochy | is it going to compile without smp? |
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| 01:37.33 | tola | tarzeau: ok, thanks... I'm sure I've spoken to you before somewhere... |
| 01:37.35 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: you want to compile it yourself? |
| 01:37.45 | ToreSB | ln -sd /path/to/my/documents/ /home/tola |
| 01:37.58 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.58 | Web52|Doochy | in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Note that this is optional, but if you do not, |
| 01:37.58 | Web52|Doochy | you'll continue to see this message whenever you install a kernel |
| 01:37.58 | Web52|Doochy | image using initrd. |
| 01:37.58 | Web52|Doochy | Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] |
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| 01:38.04 | Web52|Doochy | ups |
| 01:38.06 | Web52|Doochy | sry |
| 01:38.08 | Web52|Doochy | just Y |
| 01:38.10 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
| 01:38.13 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: read it |
| 01:38.16 | tola | ToreSB: ooh, is that symlinking the directory? |
| 01:38.21 | ToreSB | tola: Yep |
| 01:38.35 | tommyj | Hello, I have a problem. I've got this external USB2 hard-drive. It's mouned using scsi emulation and is formated to reiserfs. Now, this has happend twice now, pretty close in time; Suddenly the hard-drive is not responding from my computer. This happens without me doing anything than writing or reading from it. Every process trying to access it hangs and it's impossible to kill those processes or unmount the hard-drive properly (umount -f works partly) because |
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| 01:38.54 | tommyj | The hard-drive is pretty new (about a month since I bought it). I tried to reboot the computer without shutting down the external hard-drive and the drive mounts perfectly, so it seems it's something in my system or other hardware causing the problem... Can anyone please help me out here? if not, where can I get help? |
| 01:38.58 | LoRez | tommyj: are you still working on that? |
| 01:39.06 | tarzeau | i'm glad to help people here, but please don't msg me, unless you are blonde, sexy female and want to give me your phone number |
| 01:39.06 | tommyj | LoRez: yes :( :( :( |
| 01:39.11 | tola | ToreSB: right ok, will give that a go :D thanks. |
| 01:39.13 | ToreSB | tola: That should work well. You'll get a lot of dot-files when looking at it in MSW but that's all. |
| 01:39.20 | ToreSB | tola: You need to be root, btw |
| 01:39.27 | tola | ToreSB: yeah, ok |
| 01:39.35 | Web52|Doochy | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 (2.6.0-test9-1) ... |
| 01:39.35 | Web52|Doochy | error reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-test9-1-386/build :No such file or directory |
| 01:39.36 | Web52|Doochy | hmm |
| 01:39.39 | Web52|Doochy | should i just ignore that? |
| 01:39.42 | RelDrgn | tommyj: have you checked your kernel messages (run dmesg when that happens) |
| 01:39.44 | LoRez | tommyj: 1) have you tried ext2. 2) do you get any output from USB verbose debugging |
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| 01:39.56 | tarzeau | Web52|Doochy: you should never ignore stuff |
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| 01:40.12 | Web52|Doochy | :P |
| 01:40.16 | Web52|Doochy | on the install it sayed error reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-test9-1-386/build :No such file or directory |
| 01:40.18 | tommyj | RelDrgn: yes, it's pretty much the same as /var/log/messages |
| 01:40.20 | Web52|Doochy | but i did go thrue |
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| 01:40.29 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: quit pasting crap and hitting enter so often |
| 01:40.30 | De_Mon | tola unless you made changes to the config, accepting the maintainers is a good choice |
| 01:40.44 | Web52|Doochy | LoReZ: SRY |
| 01:40.48 | tommyj | LoRez: ext2 has a fixed number of inodes, so there's a limit on how many files I can store.... reiserfs has not. |
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| 01:40.59 | Web52|Doochy | but |
| 01:41.03 | Web52|Doochy | what should i do about it? |
| 01:41.05 | tommyj | LoRez: I haven't tried verbose USB debugging |
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| 01:41.21 | Web52|Doochy | the install did got thrue no errors on the ending.. Installation successful... sp just reboot now? i did fix lilo.conf |
| 01:41.22 | tommyj | LoRez: should I enable that in the kernel config at compile time or is it possible to enable this with sysctl? |
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| 01:41.26 | LoRez | tommyj: try both. I don't care about the inode limitation. you need to eliminate possibilites |
| 01:41.27 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: just curious why you set up 2.6.0-test9 when 2.6.0 is out? |
| 01:41.34 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: you're doing it again |
| 01:41.39 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven, kjs3 i can't sleep i want to know if it works or not |
| 01:41.41 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: i cant compile by my self |
| 01:41.42 | fpmc | I am trying to setup Nvidia's GLX drivers, but it says that my kernel headers are missing, can anyone help? |
| 01:41.42 | tommyj | LoRez: well, that's the reason I'm running reiserfs |
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| 01:42.03 | RelDrgn | Web52|Doochy: why can't you? :P |
| 01:42.13 | tommyj | LoRez: and the posts online where people have getting the same errors are running reiserfs.... |
| 01:42.15 | almost | I need help my brother gave me his laptop and I don't know how to use this at all and I cannot get the sound to work I already went to the root and turned on the sound in some file he told me to type my name after some numbers cdrom disk audio and something else |
| 01:42.37 | LoRez | tommyj: which means it could be a reiserfs problem. |
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| 01:43.11 | calamari- | I'd like to set the boot option video=vga16:off where do I do this? |
| 01:43.13 | tommyj | LoRez: yes, so how do I find out? it's impossible to convert from reiserfs to ext2 without erasing the whole drive, right? |
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| 01:43.22 | almost | so i typed su and then ee /ect/group |
| 01:43.36 | Web52|Doochy | listen when i did apt-get install kernel bla bla it did remind be of to put initrd=/initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf .. so it should look like: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:43.36 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.53 | tommyj | LoRez: is it possible to set USB verbose debugging with sysctl rather than at kernel compile time? |
| 01:44.03 | LoRez | tommyj: yes, no. |
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| 01:44.17 | tommyj | LoRez: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 01:44.25 | Web52|Doochy | ppl? |
| 01:44.30 | LoRez | tommyj: those are your answers in order. |
| 01:44.55 | tommyj | LoRez: oh, from the two questions above? ok, I misunderstood |
| 01:45.07 | tommyj | LoRez: so how do I convert from reiserfs to ext2? |
| 01:45.13 | Web52|Doochy | anyon? |
| 01:45.22 | modus | okay, i fixed my mouse, but i just broke the box even worse when upgrading the kernel. can someone tell me how to mount the hd from a knoppix rescue cd so that i can change the lilo bootpath? |
| 01:45.23 | LoRez | tommyj: now, go forth and recompile your kernel and mke2fs your drive |
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| 01:45.31 | dondelelcaro | !bless tommyj |
| 01:45.32 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child tommyj, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:45.47 | fpmc | I am trying to setup Nvidia's GLX drivers, but it says that my kernel headers are missing, can anyone help? |
| 01:45.53 | LoRez | fpmc: install them |
| 01:45.57 | Sebulba02 | heh, nice |
| 01:46.01 | almost | I am sorry to be pushy, yes |
| 01:46.01 | ponds | apt-get install kernel-package build-essential |
| 01:46.06 | sirk | haha |
| 01:46.09 | Web52|Doochy | who |
| 01:46.10 | Web52|Doochy | me? |
| 01:46.11 | tommyj | LoRez: *configuring* should I enable USB verbose debug messages and USB Mass Storage verbose debug??? |
| 01:46.11 | ponds | dont know if you need build essential for that |
| 01:46.12 | sirk | can i bless myself? |
| 01:46.12 | niktarin | I have seem to lost my printer drivers. anyone know where to find them? |
| 01:46.13 | almost | I am having a problem with my sound |
| 01:46.18 | tommyj | dondelelcaro: eep? |
| 01:46.18 | modus | i can't even boot the box in question, so i had to go to my office to bitchx |
| 01:46.18 | ponds | fpmc i meant, sorry |
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| 01:46.31 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: hey doofus, "who\nme?\n" could be put on one line. |
| 01:46.33 | fpmc | LoRez: I tried, and use the kernel-include-path flag in the 'sh ...pkg1.run' command |
| 01:46.43 | Web52|Doochy | listen when i did apt-get install kernel bla bla it did remind be of to put initrd=/initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf .. so it should look like: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:46.43 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: i wanna know as well |
| 01:46.45 | modus | anybody know how to change the boot sequence from a rescue cd? |
| 01:46.48 | tommyj | LoRez: how does mke2fs CONVERT from reiserfs? I do *not* loose my data. |
| 01:46.51 | LoRez | ~tell Web52|Doochy about repeating |
| 01:46.54 | Unfrgiven | kjs3: u still here?!?!? |
| 01:46.54 | fpmc | LoRez: but then it says my kernel source is not configured |
| 01:46.55 | LoRez | tommyj: make a backup |
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| 01:47.14 | LoRez | damnit, who f'd up apt? |
| 01:47.17 | Web52|Doochy | does no one dont know what to do ? |
| 01:47.17 | tommyj | LoRez: It's 40G |
| 01:47.27 | modus | tarzeau: you helped me fix the mouse ... can you give me tips on swapping kernels? |
| 01:47.28 | tommyj | LoRez: no way I can make backup |
| 01:47.39 | LoRez | tommyj: I don't give a shit. you set up a 40G external drive w/o stress testing it? |
| 01:47.40 | almost | I went to my terminal and typed su, and then I typed ee /ect/group |
| 01:47.54 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: i dont think u can "convert" a filesystem from ext2/3 to reiserfs... u have to build a new partition and copy stuff accross it |
| 01:48.17 | tommyj | LoRez: I set up a 250G external drive w/o strss testing it... :S |
| 01:48.28 | almost | there were a whole bunch of words like cdrom:x:5: |
| 01:48.31 | Web52|Doochy | does no one dont know what to do -- ? dudes? |
| 01:48.33 | LoRez | tommyj: even more stupid. go make a backup |
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| 01:48.36 | tommyj | Unfrgiven: that's not good.. |
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| 01:48.53 | Unfrgiven | tommyj: nopeits not :( |
| 01:49.02 | almost | and then I put my I think it is my desktop name after the numbers |
| 01:49.13 | modus | tarzeau: dselect switched me back to lilo from grub ... silly me, i forgot that i had to patch grub's config long ago because of the silly way i partitioned the drive. i could fix it for lilo, but i can't even get a command line w/o a rescue disc, and then the hd is unmounted! |
| 01:49.17 | tommyj | LoRez: you want me to burn out 45CDs now? |
| 01:49.29 | Web52|Doochy | listen when i did apt-get install kernel bla bla it did remind be of to put initrd=/initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf .. so it should look like: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:49.30 | almost | then I tried my cd player and it didnt work |
| 01:49.33 | tommyj | LoRez: is there no other way we can debug this? |
| 01:49.43 | tarzeau | modus: i don't know i have yaboot and silo |
| 01:49.47 | ljlane | almost: get out of that file. You have no idea what you are doing in it. run: adduser almost audio |
| 01:49.50 | modus | tarzeau: how do i mount the hd from a booted CD ISO image? |
| 01:49.51 | LoRez | tommyj: you have 40G of data that you have no way of backing up? |
| 01:50.06 | tarzeau | modus: with mount? fdisk -l /dev/hda gives you a list |
| 01:50.11 | tommyj | LoRez: it IS partly backup |
| 01:50.16 | almost | my brother knows what I did |
| 01:50.21 | almost | he told me to |
| 01:50.27 | tommyj | LoRez: the drive is used as a backup drive and music/programs drive |
| 01:50.29 | modus | tarzeau: my office box (I'm typing on its console now) uses yaboot ... it's a PPC |
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| 01:50.44 | LoRez | tommyj: then start with the usb debugging |
| 01:50.50 | tarzeau | modus: mine's a ppc too |
| 01:50.53 | almost | how do I run adduser almost audio |
| 01:50.57 | tommyj | LoRez: ok. |
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| 01:51.23 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: will you mail me? jenny@lesbian.mine.nu i need to go to my girlfriend now |
| 01:51.38 | Web52|Doochy | SRY FOR Repeating but i really need to fix this prob: listen when i did apt-get install kernel bla bla it did remind be of to put initrd=/initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf .. so it should look like: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:51.40 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: the results i need to know them! i can send you a photo if you send me the results |
| 01:51.46 | tommyj | LoRez: but it does *not* seem to be the hard-drive that is the problem. I tried to reboot the computer after this happened without rebooting the drive and it mounted perfectly after the reboot. |
| 01:51.47 | [Roosta] | in regards to X, what's an RGB_DB |
| 01:51.51 | modus | tarzeau: so if I go back to the cafe, disarm the alarm, and boot to my knooix resue cd, i should be able to type 'mount? fdisk -l /dev/hda' -- or is there a typo in there? |
| 01:51.53 | debian | tarzeau: hehe |
| 01:52.04 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: a photo?!? of what? |
| 01:52.12 | modus | s/knooix/knoppix |
| 01:52.17 | tarzeau | modus: mount is one command and fdisk another, you'll find out |
| 01:52.18 | LoRez | tommyj: you seem to think that's important. |
| 01:52.21 | ljlane | Roosta: perhaps /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 01:52.24 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: of me, silly |
| 01:52.39 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: ummm but why? ill email u the results |
| 01:52.40 | tommyj | LoRez: yes, how could it be the hard-drive if after rebooting the system everything works perfectly? |
| 01:52.44 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i'm jenny from www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 01:52.45 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: no photo reqd :) |
| 01:52.52 | tommyj | LoRez: it is possible, yes, but unlikely. |
| 01:52.55 | LoRez | tommyj: quit talking and start doing. |
| 01:52.58 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: ah you are very handsome, young man! |
| 01:53.07 | tommyj | LoRez: I am doing at the same time. |
| 01:53.12 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: hmm this is getting very wierd now! |
| 01:53.15 | ponds | are you sure you arent gürkan sengün ? |
| 01:53.18 | Web52|Doochy | SRY FOR Repeating but i really need to fix this prob: listen when i did apt-get install kernel bla bla it did remind be of to put initrd=/initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf .. so it should look like: image=/vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:53.19 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i'm just kidding :) |
| 01:53.22 | tola | egad, how do I kill gdm to upgrade glibc safely? every time I kill it it springs up again! |
| 01:53.23 | almost | ljlane> how do I run adduser almost audio? |
| 01:53.25 | modus | tarzeau: but i don't WANT to fdisk! i have a beautiful install with many custom features. i just want the boot sequence to find it, without repartitioning! |
| 01:53.27 | LoRez | tommyj: I'm not interested in speculating until after you get more information. |
| 01:53.31 | miki | is there any way to get supermount in kernel |
| 01:53.34 | LoRez | ~tell Web52|Doochy about repeat |
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| 01:53.37 | tarzeau | modus: fdisk -l lists you the partitions |
| 01:53.37 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: thats not ur email either is it :P |
| 01:53.44 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: it really is! |
| 01:53.50 | cafuego | tola: running gdm doesn't interfere with a libc upgrade |
| 01:53.54 | ljlane | almost, out of curiosity, why are you not asking your brother to fix it? |
| 01:53.58 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: well i need to repeat when no one wants to help me |
| 01:53.58 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i have chef@pussy.mine.nu too! |
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| 01:54.08 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: hahaha |
| 01:54.10 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: did you not read what apt said? |
| 01:54.13 | tommyj | LoRez: have you looked at my log? |
| 01:54.27 | tola | cafugeo: I just did apt-get install fluxbox which needed to upgrade glibc and said I needed to stop gdm in order to do so :S |
| 01:54.36 | Web52|Doochy | LoReZ: yes i did but i dont understand the word: stanza of your |
| 01:54.39 | Web52|Doochy | \ the meaning |
| 01:54.40 | ryuujin | If a executable is launchable via '<name of application>' where is it located? |
| 01:54.44 | cafuego | tola: ctrl-alt-F1, upgrade, done. |
| 01:54.57 | almost | he told me to come here because I want to learn how to fix it myself ljlane, I am not the fastest but I am not entirely incompitent |
| 01:55.03 | ljlane | ryuujin: "which exename" |
| 01:55.04 | tommyj | LoRez: *also enabling reiserfs debug mode* |
| 01:55.17 | tola | cafuego: ah ok! thanks. |
| 01:55.19 | Web52|Doochy | still dont understand |
| 01:55.19 | Web52|Doochy | ! |
| 01:55.25 | almost | I am a slow typist though |
| 01:55.38 | tommyj | wee! ACL is included (for XFS) in 2.6! |
| 01:55.38 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: cant u dont just tell me what to do with initrd=/initrd.img |
| 01:55.45 | almost | ljlane so will you help me? |
| 01:55.47 | sudo | could someone using postgresql on debian help me, i changed auth_type to password, and I enter the password, butI get: Password authentication failed |
| 01:55.49 | ljlane | almost, su to root, run the command at a command prompt |
| 01:55.56 | tommyj | LoRez: you there? |
| 01:56.02 | sudo | I am able to see the pg_shadow table and the passwords are in clear text |
| 01:56.03 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: I's try doing what the system told you to do. |
| 01:56.06 | almost | the adduser one? |
| 01:56.11 | ljlane | almost, yes |
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| 01:56.40 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: how the fuck should i do that when i dont know what to do with the stanza shit... just tell me where to put initrd=/initrd.img |
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| 01:56.42 | Web52|Doochy | willa ya? |
| 01:56.58 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: read what it said and watch your language. |
| 01:57.14 | Web52|Doochy | I's try doing what the system told you to do. |
| 01:57.14 | almost | it said I am already a member of audio |
| 01:57.15 | Web52|Doochy | ye? |
| 01:57.18 | tola | cafuego: how do I get back to X after doing Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
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| 01:57.28 | Web52|Doochy | how should i do what the system is telling be when i dont understand it? |
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| 01:57.41 | almost | ljlane what could be another possibility of where the problem is |
| 01:57.49 | ljlane | tola, ctrl-alt-F6 |
| 01:57.49 | Sebulba02 | tola: c-a-f7 |
| 01:57.53 | Sebulba02 | f6* |
| 01:58.16 | ljlane | almost, many. do a /msg dpkg audio |
| 01:58.23 | tola | Sebulba02: thanks! |
| 01:58.30 | almost | at the root? |
| 01:58.47 | ljlane | almost, in your IRC client, however you do private messages |
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| 01:59.31 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: dict stanza |
| 01:59.39 | Web52|Doochy | w0t? |
| 01:59.45 | ljlane | heh |
| 02:00.21 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: well you have an editor install vi nano . then edit /etc/lilo.conf and add that line initrd bla bla under your kenel save type lilo and its fixed. second of all i still dont understand why you use a test kernel its alot of bugs in it. and would just make you system crash atleast use a stable kernel when you are newb. when you get more experienced play with those test kernels. thats my opinion |
| 02:00.53 | miki | 2.6 final sucks |
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| 02:01.03 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: ok so... which kernel should i got |
| 02:01.07 | Web52|Doochy | get* |
| 02:01.08 | tommyj | LoRez: ok, compiling kernel now... this might take some time... |
| 02:01.24 | tommyj | LoRez: thank you for helping me out :) |
| 02:01.27 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: 2.4.23 is the latest in 2.4 realeses it would be fine for you. i think |
| 02:01.27 | ganja | how i change the kezboard lazout of windowmaker? |
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| 02:01.48 | LoRez | ganja: you gotta use the y key ;) |
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| 02:02.05 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: ok i got 2.4.22 (SMP) atm.. how to update 2.4.23 with deb? |
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| 02:02.59 | ganja | yes but how i change the setting? |
| 02:03.04 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: i usally compile the kernels my self so not used the apt system to install a new kernel. but search after 2.4.23 apt-cache search 2.4.23 and see what you finds. |
| 02:03.08 | jammcq | hello all. I've installed debian on a PIII laptop, and I'd like to take advantage of the libc6-i686 package. I've installed it, and rebooted, but it doesn't seem like the i686 libs are being used. I run: ldd /bin/bash and it doesn't seem to be pointing to any of the i686 libs |
| 02:03.25 | Web52|Doochy | kernel-patch-2.4-preempt - Reduces the latency of the Linux kernel |
| 02:03.25 | Web52|Doochy | kernel-patch-kdb - Builtin kernel debugger |
| 02:03.28 | LoRez | ganja: I don't think windowmaker specifically has its own keymap. try reconfiguring X |
| 02:03.29 | Web52|Doochy | the the results |
| 02:03.35 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: you're pasting crap again |
| 02:03.49 | ganja | i have already reconfiguring |
| 02:03.59 | ganja | how i make a restart of x |
| 02:04.02 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: why you whant a new kernel anyway? just for learn? |
| 02:04.17 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: ye.. and for updates.. + i want a kernel without SMP |
| 02:04.35 | Xenocide | nighter: effiiency is nothing to dismiss |
| 02:04.47 | tommyj | LoRez: did you look at my messages log? |
| 02:04.54 | ganja | lorez_ |
| 02:04.55 | ganja | ? |
| 02:05.05 | LoRez | ganja: restart your display manager |
| 02:05.21 | ganja | this work not |
| 02:05.33 | ganja | windowmanagers / restart |
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| 02:05.45 | nighter | Xenocide: did not get you there. english is not my language so when its gets to complicated words i dont understnad :p |
| 02:05.59 | almost | how am I not supposed to repeat questions when I dont understand anything you are talking about? |
| 02:06.08 | tommyj | bah, he has put me on ignore... |
| 02:06.10 | LoRez | ganja: not windowmanager restart |
| 02:06.14 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: Swe? <- Dansker... :) |
| 02:06.23 | LoRez | tommyj: not with my computer, I haven't. |
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| 02:06.27 | jammcq | any clues on using libc6-i686 ? |
| 02:06.32 | nighter | Web52|Doochy: sweden |
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| 02:06.41 | ganja | i have alreadz windowmanager / exit session |
| 02:06.41 | Web52|Doochy | nighter: okay... kan vi snakke i priv? |
| 02:06.45 | Xenocide | nighter: its ok to build your own kernel, is all I'm saying. it can make your computer run faster |
| 02:06.46 | tommyj | LoRez: oh :( just didn't see any answers on my questions... |
| 02:06.59 | LoRez | you're being awfully demanding |
| 02:07.12 | ganja | then i have login with the logon manager |
| 02:07.25 | almost | do you guys think that my problem is with my cdplayer program? |
| 02:07.30 | tommyj | LoRez: sorry, I just asked you if you had looked at the logs I'd put online... is that so demanding? |
| 02:07.44 | tommyj | i.e. just asking. |
| 02:07.52 | nighter | Xenocide: of course it is i always use the latest. and so on. it was just for him. he is newb and have 2.4.22 kernel is decent enough. |
| 02:07.59 | tommyj | sorry if I'm bothering you LoRez, I really am. |
| 02:08.13 | Web52|Doochy | Anyon got a url for 2.4.23 deb kernel? |
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| 02:08.17 | netsplit | what's the latest debian unstable kernel? |
| 02:08.24 | Xenocide | not 2.4.23 |
| 02:08.34 | netsplit | apt-cache search kernel-image someone please :) |
| 02:08.38 | LoRez | tommyj: didn't I say I was waiting until you had the debugging logs? |
| 02:08.39 | ganja | must i reboot computer lorez? |
| 02:08.43 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: apt-get.org might |
| 02:08.43 | grew | netsplit: do it yourself |
| 02:08.46 | netsplit | after apt-get update ... |
| 02:08.59 | netsplit | grew: I can't, I'm not on Debian atm and package.debian.org is down. |
| 02:09.04 | grew | netsplit: you can always compile your own kernel |
| 02:09.07 | tommyj | LoRez: yes you did, I just thought you thought I had nothing at all, but I had the logs.... |
| 02:09.07 | Xenocide | oh wait, there is now a 2.4.23 kernel in stock |
| 02:09.20 | Xenocide | kernel-image-2.4.23 |
| 02:09.21 | sgeigerbot | Why am i getting this message when running /sbin/lilo? Warning: Kernel & BIOS return differing head/sector geometries for device 0x80 Kernel: 41344 cylinders, 15 heads, 63 sectors BIOS: 1022 cylinders, 240 heads, 63 sectors Added Linux * |
| 02:09.22 | LoRez | ganja: no, you must restart X. /etc/init.d/[xwk]dm restart |
| 02:09.34 | netsplit | grew: yup I know, but I'm fairly lazy :) |
| 02:09.48 | grew | sgeigerbot: for the exact reason the message says |
| 02:10.30 | netsplit | Xenocide: so 2.4.23 is the newest? there's no 2.5.x? or even 2.6? |
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| 02:10.32 | sgeigerbot | grew: You don't understand: I'm trying to get som einformation that will help me make this message go away. |
| 02:10.35 | debian | 41344 cylinders? ...you got a damn big harddisk. |
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| 02:10.43 | initech | netsplit: 2.4.23, 2.6.0-test11 |
| 02:10.50 | Xenocide | netsplit: unstable kernels are best dealt with by those who know what they're doing |
| 02:10.53 | netsplit | initech: thanks :) |
| 02:10.58 | Xenocide | and 2.6.0 is slowly in the works |
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| 02:11.11 | tommyj | LoRez: and I don't know how to reproduce the problem/bug though... |
| 02:11.12 | ganja | ganja@GANJA:~$ /etc/init.d/[xwk]dm restart Usage: /etc/init.d/kdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} ganja@GANJA:~$ /etc/init.d/kdm restart Stopping K Desktop Manager: not running/etc/init.d/kdm: kill: (243) - Operation not permitted |
| 02:11.21 | bztunk | ganja: root |
| 02:11.21 | zinx | sgeigerbot: how much space does it have? |
| 02:11.29 | sgeigerbot | zinx: 20 gigs |
| 02:11.30 | ganja | oh k |
| 02:11.39 | zinx | sgeigerbot: i wouldn't worry about it |
| 02:12.03 | Xenocide | but upgrading your kernel from a major revision isn't as simple as make bzImage |
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| 02:13.39 | sgeigerbot | zinx: the drive works...but it seems that I should be able to adjust the geometry settings somewhere in the kernel config, but I don't recall ever seeing how to do that. The message only started appearing in 2.6.0... |
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| 02:13.47 | sgeigerbot | ...when I moved to 2.6.0, I mean. |
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| 02:15.08 | ganja | yeah |
| 02:15.11 | ganja | its working |
| 02:15.11 | ganja | thx |
| 02:15.30 | sgeigerbot | Another problem in moving my laptop to 2.6.0: I can load hermes, orinoco, and orinoco_cs--the modules necessary to use my 802.11b card, but when I use "iwconfig" I don't see any interfaces with wireless extensions. Why not? I've compiled and recompiled... I'm running out of ideas... |
| 02:15.42 | sgeigerbot | Any ideas would be appreciated |
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| 02:16.10 | giwe | Does anyone know what is the typical rate obtained with an 802.11b card indoors? |
| 02:16.12 | sudo | hi, is it normal to compile from source and get this on debian: checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 02:16.15 | tommyj | LoRez: what? did you hang your head because of me? :P |
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| 02:16.28 | sudo | is there some other packages I will need to install before I can use gcc properly on debian? |
| 02:16.33 | LoRez | yeah, at the nonreproducibility |
| 02:16.34 | Xenocide | sgeigerbot: interesting. you might check http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ for help |
| 02:16.40 | almost | is there another cd playing application that I could get that might work or maybe it isn't installed correctly or something |
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| 02:16.52 | almost | my other one I meab |
| 02:16.54 | almost | mean |
| 02:17.02 | LoRez | sudo: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 02:17.05 | tommyj | LoRez: oh, you noticed the 'suddenly' in my problem description? :( |
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| 02:17.23 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: update iwconfig maybe? |
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| 02:18.07 | debian | almost: I seriously think you should take a closer look of what /msg dpkg audio is telling you to do. |
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| 02:18.27 | almost | I don't know what that is |
| 02:18.43 | debian | ~tell almost about audio |
| 02:18.47 | tommyj | LoRez: though it has happened twice, so it's a good chance it happens agan :P |
| 02:18.51 | nictuku | anybody has a clue if sis and trident video boards will ever be supported in X 4.x series? |
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| 02:19.21 | Xenocide | almost just type in your chat program, /msg dkpg audio |
| 02:19.22 | debian | !tell almost about audio |
| 02:19.31 | Xenocide | jesus |
| 02:19.35 | Xenocide | i see the need for !tell now |
| 02:19.35 | TerryShi2004 | what's the different between esound and OSS? |
| 02:19.36 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: ohhhhh.... |
| 02:19.56 | dondelelcaro | aren't the Sis and trident already supported? |
| 02:20.03 | rahul | nictuku: they're not? |
| 02:20.06 | debian | Xenocide: if anyone want to put up a bot, at least fill something in it. :( |
| 02:20.18 | rahul | nictuku: you could have fooled the developers of it |
| 02:20.30 | duncanmv | hi, how can I see what is apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade going to do, without doing it? |
| 02:20.36 | Xenocide | debian: not bots will come from me |
| 02:20.42 | Xenocide | i have no shells |
| 02:20.44 | nictuku | dondelelcaro, rahul, they are supported, but they dont work well. everybody says one must keep using 3.x |
| 02:20.46 | rahul | duncanmv: use -u, or just use aptitude |
| 02:20.49 | debian | Xenocide: I didn't mean you, just rant |
| 02:20.59 | rahul | nictuku: well, help the developers, then |
| 02:21.00 | nictuku | i get crashed all the time with both sis and trident boards |
| 02:21.06 | sgeigerbot | rahul? Someone told me rahul is a rat. |
| 02:21.16 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: e.g., iproute's stuff and ifconfig (for example) grok the new stuff in the display and config of 2.6 NICs. maybe you have an older one that isn't set up for that kernel |
| 02:21.18 | debian | Whoever put up the 'apt' please bring it down. This one is quite useless and misleading |
| 02:21.26 | nictuku | rahul: oh fine. great answer. |
| 02:21.30 | ganja | i have a problem with apt-get |
| 02:21.31 | Xenocide | maybe the process should be formalized somewhat for redunancy |
| 02:21.35 | ganja | can someone help? |
| 02:21.42 | debian | !tell ganja about ask |
| 02:21.42 | nictuku | ganja: just ask |
| 02:21.44 | Xenocide | and recovery in case of massive failure |
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| 02:21.56 | helix | poor irc newbies |
| 02:22.00 | duncanmv | thanks |
| 02:22.06 | ganja | i must paste the output |
| 02:22.12 | ganja | to understand what i mean |
| 02:22.15 | simonrvn | ganja: not here you don't |
| 02:22.16 | helix | ganja: #flood |
| 02:22.23 | tommyj | ganja: #flood |
| 02:22.24 | tommyj | beh |
| 02:22.27 | tommyj | too slow |
| 02:22.30 | debian | helix: irc experts who have to live with these |
| 02:22.39 | rahul | nictuku: it's the only possible answer. don't like it, use commercial software. |
| 02:22.39 | helix | debian: i know |
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| 02:22.44 | simonrvn | quicker tab finger :P |
| 02:22.47 | compbrain | Hello |
| 02:22.53 | helix | !fart |
| 02:22.55 | nictuku | rahul: stop trolling. |
| 02:22.58 | rahul | eek |
| 02:23.18 | Sebulba02 | such nice bots we have |
| 02:23.23 | nictuku | rahul: you should learn the difference between asking if a feature is planned and complaining about something. |
| 02:23.28 | rahul | nictuku: you're the one who is whining about what you're given for free |
| 02:23.38 | rahul | nictuku: it's not planned. it's ALREADY there. |
| 02:23.47 | compbrain | Could someone give me some help with a broken root inode on a filesystem |
| 02:24.10 | Xenocide | debian: what about dpkg? |
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| 02:24.47 | ryuujin | How do i remove screen? Some of it have been removed, but there are still some files left and i can't install it again before removeing those :( |
| 02:24.57 | duncanmv | how do I hold a package¿ |
| 02:25.01 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 02:25.01 | rahul | ryuujin: it tells you how to clean them up |
| 02:25.03 | nictuku | rahul: I'll wont argue. You will one day grow up. |
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| 02:25.13 | Justin__ | !tell duncanmv about hold |
| 02:25.13 | helix | haha |
| 02:25.21 | ryuujin | rahul: does it? i haven't seen that yet? |
| 02:25.32 | ganja | okay output in #flood |
| 02:25.37 | rahul | nictuku: as a developer of free software, I'm sick of trolls like you whining about what they didn't pay for and didn't contribute to. |
| 02:25.44 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Did you just ignore what I gave you? |
| 02:25.48 | bztunk | rahul: diss |
| 02:25.50 | rahul | ryuujin: something like -clean |
| 02:25.59 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: no, i didn't; i can multitask. |
| 02:26.11 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: ...but can you read documentation? |
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| 02:26.40 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: probably not since my url handlers aren't working as they should. |
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| 02:26.57 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: LAME EXCUSE |
| 02:26.58 | rahul | ryuujin: really? you need url handlers to read a man page? |
| 02:27.05 | rahul | one that's ALREADY on your hard drive? |
| 02:27.07 | nictuku | rahul: as a developer of free software, I say you are a teenager who can't be gentle when people ask for help. I didnt complain about X, if you care to read what people type carefuly. |
| 02:27.11 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: shut up. i follow one help string at a time. |
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| 02:27.32 | ryuujin | rahul: url handlers in xchat.. :p |
| 02:27.32 | helix | i thought you could multitask |
| 02:27.36 | Xenocide | heh |
| 02:27.39 | simonrvn | egads |
| 02:27.39 | bztunk | dpkg: moron |
| 02:27.40 | dpkg | moron is probably mwilson |
| 02:27.44 | bztunk | hahah |
| 02:27.44 | sgeigerbot | helix: :-) |
| 02:27.45 | Xenocide | helix: non preemptive |
| 02:27.52 | Vladkao | hahah |
| 02:28.04 | ganja | i have posted the error in #flood |
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| 02:28.18 | compbrain | anyone help with broken ext2/3 filesystem? |
| 02:28.21 | simonrvn | ganja: try another version.. |
| 02:28.25 | rahul | nictuku: of course you didn't complain about X. you're complaining about some drivers that come in the xfree86 implementation of it. I never insinuated otherwise. |
| 02:28.32 | helix | compbrain: have you fscked your drive? |
| 02:28.39 | compbrain | yeah |
| 02:28.42 | compbrain | Bad superblock |
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| 02:28.49 | ganja | where i find the newest version simonrvn? |
| 02:28.50 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: I know: I'll go to the Web pages for you and then paste the contents into #debian one line at a time... |
| 02:28.51 | simonrvn | @superblock |
| 02:28.55 | compbrain | 'is not a direcotry) |
| 02:28.56 | nictuku | rahul: I just noted they crash. Go back to school. |
| 02:28.58 | simonrvn | !superblock |
| 02:28.59 | dpkg | superblock is, like, hard disk space (set aside during partitioning) reserved for the superuser. When a file system reaches 100% capacity, anything or anyone other than the superuser (or processes that run as the superuser) will receive a "no space left on device" error message when trying to write to the "full" file system. |
| 02:29.09 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:29.10 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: really, that is so not neede. |
| 02:29.12 | ryuujin | needed. |
| 02:29.13 | simonrvn | useless |
| 02:29.19 | rahul | nictuku: note that elsewhere. maybe where someone cares. I'm done with school, thanks. |
| 02:29.25 | ryuujin | i just need a decent url handler for Mozilla Firebird |
| 02:29.30 | compbrain | Im lost |
| 02:29.33 | Justin__ | is that factoid right? |
| 02:29.34 | compbrain | Google isnt helping |
| 02:29.34 | rahul | nictuku: now that I actually have a job, people like you irritate me even more. |
| 02:29.41 | Justin__ | i didnt think that was the superblock |
| 02:29.44 | cafuego | Justin__: No, it's wrong. |
| 02:29.45 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Okay, let's fix that URL handling problem. Are you familiar with /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:29.45 | simonrvn | ryuujin: what, can't copy/paste with your mouse? |
| 02:29.59 | rahul | simonrvn: that middle button can be a doozy |
| 02:30.03 | atm2 | Kick out all figthing about nothing. |
| 02:30.10 | nictuku | rahul: that makes you even more pathetic. A grown up man who can't be gentle even in a IRC channel. |
| 02:30.12 | rahul | you might miss and break your middle finger. |
| 02:30.12 | atm2 | This is a help channel. |
| 02:30.17 | cafuego | !forget superblock |
| 02:30.17 | dpkg | i forgot superblock, cafuego |
| 02:30.19 | almost | ok people I already added myself to the audio group it still doesn;t work and you keep repeating yourself people you aren't helping me I cannot help but be frustrated when someone puts me in some channel with some stupid drone that doesn't answer any of my questions |
| 02:30.24 | bztunk | I thought the superblock was like the mbr part or something |
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| 02:30.33 | rahul | nictuku: why should I be gentle to a whining, spoiled brat? |
| 02:30.40 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: not excatly, but it's my xchat url handlers, you know, those that let you open links. |
| 02:30.42 | ryuujin | via xchat. |
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| 02:30.50 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: whyfore hast though commandeth yonder forgetting of superblock? |
| 02:30.58 | rahul | "I wanna get my hardware for free AND have others write the drivers for free!" |
| 02:31.07 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Because that factoid isn't justw rong, it's COMPLETELY incorrect. |
| 02:31.17 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: "reserved drive space" != "superblock" |
| 02:31.24 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: So, you are telling me that you aren't reading documentation because you are too lazy to copy a URL to a Web browser? |
| 02:31.25 | Justin__ | !tell almost about doesn't work |
| 02:31.27 | xenohugs | Wow. Both wrong and incorrect. That's intense. |
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| 02:31.46 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: why don't you fix it? |
| 02:31.49 | simonrvn | ganja: what are you tracking as debian version? woody, sarge... |
| 02:31.53 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: ANd really, we don't needc rufty bots. |
| 02:31.59 | rahul | sgeigerbot: time for us to be too lazy to give him URLs, I guess. |
| 02:32.03 | sgeigerbot | ~rot13 rufty |
| 02:32.03 | | ehsgl |
| 02:32.04 | helix | !catattack sgeigerbot |
| 02:32.05 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on sgeigerbot's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 02:32.07 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: I was working on that when you interrupted me ;-) |
| 02:32.08 | sgeigerbot | ahhhh |
| 02:32.21 | nictuku | rahul: because despite you think you are a guru, I am dead sure you once needed a help and people gently answered you, brat. |
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| 02:32.36 | simonrvn | rahul, nictuku: STFU |
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| 02:32.40 | rahul | nictuku: wtf does being a guru have to do with not liking people who are being pricks? |
| 02:32.51 | simonrvn | please |
| 02:33.03 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: STFU is not Chinese food, so shut the fuck up. |
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| 02:33.06 | nictuku | sorry all. |
| 02:33.10 | rahul | simonrvn: I've absolutely had it with the "entitlement" crowd |
| 02:33.11 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: woah diss |
| 02:33.12 | agney | simonrvn: STFU ? |
| 02:33.29 | simonrvn | rahul, nictuku: if you want to argue, take to /msg |
| 02:33.30 | nictuku | agney: shut the fuck up |
| 02:33.55 | nictuku | agney: i mean, stfu means that. |
| 02:33.59 | cafuego | !superblock is <reply> The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. |
| 02:33.59 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
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| 02:34.22 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Better? |
| 02:34.26 | nictuku | b00rdel: join #debian-br |
| 02:34.31 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: bette rthan nothing. |
| 02:34.37 | agney | nictuku: lol. |
| 02:34.40 | b00rdel | hehehe |
| 02:34.41 | b00rdel | lol |
| 02:34.41 | b00rdel | eiAUHiAEU |
| 02:34.46 | rahul | simonrvn: are we in support of anti-free-software-developer rants now? |
| 02:34.52 | almost | so how do I approach this problem that I am having from a different angle |
| 02:35.32 | LoRez | almost: after adding yourself to the audio group, you must log out and back in before it will take effect |
| 02:35.45 | cafuego | !superblock =~ s/info./info. If yours went missing, use e2sl (http://www.schumann.cx/e2sl/) |
| 02:35.50 | simonrvn | rahul: que? no, just want it at least free of negativity in here. not taking sides. i don't even know what you two were talking about. seemed pointless to discuss it publically |
| 02:35.55 | almost | of my whole computer? |
| 02:35.55 | cafuego | !superblock =~ s#info.#info. If yours went missing, use e2sl (http://www.schumann.cx/e2sl/)# |
| 02:35.56 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 02:36.13 | Xenocide | almost: most likely, your regular user is not in the audio group. |
| 02:36.33 | Xenocide | "/msg dpkg audio" can tell you some more, but its a bit technical |
| 02:36.39 | cafuego | !boobytrap simonrvn |
| 02:36.46 | almost | well why didn't someone tell me that |
| 02:36.48 | almost | I aggre |
| 02:36.48 | nictuku | simonrvn: that was pointless. I got angry because he insulted me with no reason. Sorry about that, again |
| 02:36.48 | LoRez | almost: out of X or each console shell |
| 02:36.49 | cafuego | pah |
| 02:36.54 | almost | I didn't understand it |
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| 02:36.58 | almost | I read it |
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| 02:37.11 | Xenocide | anyways |
| 02:37.36 | simonrvn | nictuku: i don't want to hear any more of it. shush please |
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| 02:37.46 | Xenocide | here's a three step solution 1) become root 2) addgroup audio <your username> 3) log out and back into your computer |
| 02:37.55 | mrcucumber | I'm trying to get PHP4 up and running on my system - but apache seems to not load the module. |
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| 02:38.01 | Justin__ | almost: you can tell someone what the problem is, rather than whining |
| 02:38.10 | almost | Ok I will be back |
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| 02:38.17 | cafuego | !boobytrap simonrvn |
| 02:38.18 | mrcucumber | does anyone know of any steps I need to take other than apt-get php4 ? |
| 02:38.21 | nictuku | mrcucumber: uncomment the proper lines in apache's conf |
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| 02:38.35 | simonrvn | cafuego: cute |
| 02:38.36 | thiccups | mrcucumber: remove the # infront the the php4 module in httpd.conf then restart apache |
| 02:38.36 | nictuku | php4 is the cgi. you dont need it |
| 02:38.42 | mrcucumber | nictuku: I tried that, but the module still doesn't seem to load. |
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| 02:38.47 | Justin__ | no, php4-cgi is the cgi |
| 02:38.51 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: none of the faq's have given me answer on how to remove a package (like screen) via apt-get --purge remove screen if that fails due to a file missing; in this case being the error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postrm: /user/sbin/remove-shell: No such file or directory. |
| 02:38.54 | cafuego | nictuku: php4 is the module. |
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| 02:39.02 | rahul | cafuego: the last thing simonrvn needs at this point is more estrogen :P |
| 02:39.09 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: uncomment the php-specific stuff in /etc/apache/httpd.conf and then "apachectl restart" |
| 02:39.11 | paul | hey guys.. when given the option of rh8 or rh9 packages, which is preferable to install with alien? |
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| 02:39.26 | Xenocide | did they change rpms? |
| 02:39.27 | cafuego | paul: Parse error. |
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| 02:39.35 | cafuego | Xenocide: Nah, lib depends. |
| 02:39.39 | Justin__ | !tell ryuujin about search |
| 02:39.39 | bztunk | paul: rh9, because it's probably linked to newer libs |
| 02:39.40 | Xenocide | oh |
| 02:39.43 | paul | cafuego: ? |
| 02:39.47 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Can you create that file temporarily so that you can delete the package? |
| 02:39.47 | paul | bztunk: thanks |
| 02:39.51 | cafuego | paul: rh9 i expect, except on woody |
| 02:39.57 | Xenocide | god. im so glad i started with debian |
| 02:40.03 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: You might be able to get it back simply by doing "apt-get install --reinstall <pakcage>" |
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| 02:40.07 | Justin__ | sgeigerbot: the logical thing would be to install the package that has that file |
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| 02:40.29 | sgeigerbot | Justin__: There's more than one right answer. |
| 02:40.31 | Justin__ | assuming ti does say /usr and not /user as he type |
| 02:40.37 | ganja | xenocide where do you downloaded xchat 2.0.5? |
| 02:40.45 | Justin__ | since if it does say /user/ it's just a typo |
| 02:40.46 | Xenocide | ganja: debian unstable |
| 02:40.48 | bztunk | Justin__: why are you not Justin_? |
| 02:41.01 | Xenocide | ganja: but its not nice to ctcp version the whole channel |
| 02:41.01 | ganja | xenocide, url? |
| 02:41.02 | bztunk | heh :D |
| 02:41.06 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: now the error is: /var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postrm: /user/sbin/remove-shell: No such file or directory. |
| 02:41.09 | ryuujin | err |
| 02:41.14 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: now the error is: /var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postrm: /user/sbin/add-shell: No such file or directory. |
| 02:41.17 | Xenocide | ganja: debian.org |
| 02:41.23 | sgeigerbot | ~+dict rufty |
| 02:41.24 | ryuujin | sorry for the flooding X.x |
| 02:41.24 | ganja | thanks |
| 02:41.40 | Xenocide | ganja: i hope that was a sarcastic thanks |
| 02:41.43 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Did you get it fixed? |
| 02:41.44 | paul | cafuego: thank you.. :) and is alien working decently enough these days to install and uninstall various packages? i'm using it for the newest gaim package right now, do most other rh9 packages install and uninstall ok? |
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| 02:41.50 | thiccups | ganja: i pulled 2.0.5 from testing also |
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| 02:42.00 | Justin_ | ryuujin: change /user to /usr, duh |
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| 02:42.12 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: no, it reports: /var/lib/dpkg/info/screen.postrm: /usr/sbin/add-shell: No such file or directory. |
| 02:42.25 | bztunk | paul: use the sid deb... |
| 02:42.26 | ryuujin | Justin_: that's my error, because i type everything instead of copy/pasting it |
| 02:42.28 | cafuego | ryuujin: Put a # at the start of that line |
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| 02:42.54 | Justin_ | ryuujin: then install the package containing that already |
| 02:43.14 | paul | bztunk: wouldn't it be better to install and uninstall with alien than to introduce sid elements into my testing box? |
| 02:43.21 | ganja | ackages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
| 02:43.22 | ganja | ^ |
| 02:43.28 | Justin_ | !tell ganja about search |
| 02:43.30 | ryuujin | Justin_: apt-get install, remove nor install --reinstall works, that's the problem |
| 02:43.38 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: did you try "apt-get install --reinstall <package>"? |
| 02:43.42 | Justin_ | ryuujin: uh, no |
| 02:43.43 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 02:43.53 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: ssssssh |
| 02:43.56 | ryuujin | Justin_: then why am i told that? |
| 02:43.57 | cl0ud | someone knows where i change so i can use special characters like "@£$[]" in gdm/kdm, it works inside of the sessions, i cant login without those characters ;p |
| 02:43.59 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: did you try to create the file with touch? |
| 02:44.03 | Justin_ | ryuujin: told _what_ |
| 02:44.04 | bztunk | paul: hum, i donno. you can backport it yourself... |
| 02:44.11 | rahul | sgeigerbot: you fool |
| 02:44.20 | ryuujin | Justin_: i tried all of them and none worked. |
| 02:44.22 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: ahhhhhhhhhhh I did what you said, no luck though. |
| 02:44.25 | sgeigerbot | rahul: What? I'v |
| 02:44.29 | Justin_ | ryuujin: "all of them" WHAT |
| 02:44.29 | pvalley | hey guys i am looking at the control center for kde under info pci it says that my ymf724f ds-1(yamaha sound card)is available only to roo can i change this? |
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| 02:44.40 | rahul | sgeigerbot: it's an EXECUTABLE. |
| 02:44.52 | Justin_ | pvalley: you don't understand what you are reading |
| 02:44.53 | Xenocide | well i guess i fixed almosts problem |
| 02:44.56 | ryuujin | Justin_: i tried apt-get install screen, apt-get remove screen, apt-get install --reinstall screen and none of them worked. |
| 02:44.57 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Sooooo? |
| 02:45.02 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Oh, don't worry about your age. You are only as old as your driver's license says you are. |
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| 02:45.12 | Justin_ | ryuujin: and your point is? |
| 02:45.20 | bettlebrox | pvalley: add ur self to the audio group |
| 02:45.27 | Justin_ | ryuujin: _I_ never said to do that, I said to do something else |
| 02:45.27 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Error: You must agree. (I was just giving general advice...in case you want to become a general.) |
| 02:45.31 | simonrvn | craaap |
| 02:45.40 | ryuujin | Justin_: then what did you tell me to do? |
| 02:45.45 | Xenocide | almost: things working better? |
| 02:45.45 | pvalley | ok i think i see |
| 02:45.45 | rahul | sgeigerbot: shutdown -h now |
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| 02:45.58 | quer | what are most nice\stable linux WM-s ? |
| 02:46.05 | ryuujin | i can't keep track of 2 different people trying to help me in two different ways |
| 02:46.06 | Justin_ | ryuujin: install the package containing that file |
| 02:46.09 | cl0ud | where do i change keymaps for kdm/gdm? |
| 02:46.09 | pvalley | thanks bye |
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| 02:46.21 | bztunk | quer: that's like, really depends of yourself |
| 02:46.21 | ryuujin | Justin_: and which package is that? |
| 02:46.24 | simonrvn | ryuujin: but i though you could multitask? |
| 02:46.27 | Justin_ | !tell ryuujin about search |
| 02:46.27 | rahul | ryuujin: when in doubt, ignore sgeiger :) |
| 02:46.35 | quer | bztunk, but i need something to try, there are so many |
| 02:46.37 | sgeigerbot | rahul: bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 02:46.38 | ryuujin | O.o |
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| 02:46.49 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: Yes, please. |
| 02:46.57 | rahul | sgeigerbot: killall -9 |
| 02:46.59 | bztunk | quer: what did you use before? |
| 02:46.59 | Xenocide | sheesh. never install debian without a friend. cuz you'll find none on #debian |
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| 02:47.17 | rahul | Xenocide: only if you're a holier-than-thou newbie |
| 02:47.23 | sgeigerbot | rahul: So why does it matter whether it is an executable? does apt-get remove check file types before it removes the files? |
| 02:47.24 | quer | bztunk, i tried kwin\metacity |
| 02:47.26 | helix | those are my favorite |
| 02:47.31 | quer | bztunk, not so nice :/ |
| 02:47.35 | cl0ud | !tell cl0ud about keymaps |
| 02:47.37 | cl0ud | ;p |
| 02:47.39 | sgeigerbot | rahul: if so, why not just copy a binary... |
| 02:47.39 | Justin_ | xenohugs: I hear you can't find girlfriend in #debian either, it sucks |
| 02:47.43 | rahul | I've helped plenty of people who know no other debian users install debian, even solely over IRC |
| 02:47.45 | bztunk | quer: i mean, as your everyday system |
| 02:47.47 | sgeigerbot | s/binary/executable/ |
| 02:47.50 | cl0ud | lol, dpkg didnt know that one |
| 02:47.57 | rahul | sgeigerbot: wtf does removing a file have to do with this? |
| 02:48.00 | sgeigerbot | rahul: I have used that trick on some packages |
| 02:48.04 | bettlebrox | i can't find my socks in #debian |
| 02:48.08 | quer | bztunk, twm |
| 02:48.11 | rahul | sgeigerbot: fsck |
| 02:48.13 | Justin_ | !+find socks |
| 02:48.17 | sgeigerbot | rahul: He was *missing* a file, so he coudln't remove a package... |
| 02:48.20 | rahul | sgeigerbot: and memtest |
| 02:48.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'socks' (6 shown; 41 total): (/usr/share/amsn/socks.tcl) in x11/amsn ;; (/usr/share/doc/sirc/README.socks) in net/sirc ;; (/usr/lib/tik/components/socksproxy.tcl) in net/tik ;; (/usr/include/ptclib/socks.h) in libdevel/libpt-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/ksocks.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/share/applnk/.hidden/socks.desktop) in kde/kdebase-data. |
| 02:48.30 | sgeigerbot | rahul: I think *your* shoes are the ones that should be wet! |
| 02:48.35 | helix | heh |
| 02:48.35 | cl0ud | lol |
| 02:48.37 | rahul | sgeigerbot: exactly. and dpkg removing a file has nothing to do with that |
| 02:48.43 | bettlebrox | lol |
| 02:48.50 | Orhad2 | hi, i just installed debian booting from the cd with the command "bf24" and i skipped tasksel and dselect, now what should i do to bring my machine to unstable ( replace stable by unstable in sources.list ) |
| 02:48.51 | Orhad2 | then what ? |
| 02:48.52 | rahul | LoLl |
| 02:48.54 | bztunk | quer: hahaha. then, i don't know, do you like bloat/easy to use/minimalist? |
| 02:49.03 | bettlebrox | would be able to force the package to uninstall? |
| 02:49.14 | ryuujin | Justin_: how am i supposed to find what package /usr/sbin/add-shell and /usr/bin/remove-shell belongs to, when there are no files called add-shell and remove-shell? |
| 02:49.18 | rahul | bztunk: you forgot easy to tweak and modify while it's running |
| 02:49.21 | quer | bztunk, some kind of :) |
| 02:49.22 | tommyj | how do I enable framebuffer on a kernel with framebuffer? any kernel options? |
| 02:49.29 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: apt-get -u dist-upgrade a few time |
| 02:49.36 | Justin_ | !tell ryuujin about search |
| 02:49.38 | Justin_ | ryuujin: r e a d |
| 02:49.39 | helix | Orhad2: run apt-get update before you do that though |
| 02:49.40 | rahul | ryuujin: with apt-file.... didn't I ALREADY tell you? |
| 02:49.50 | Orhad2 | helix why ? |
| 02:49.51 | rahul | about a WEEK ago? |
| 02:49.56 | helix | Orhad2: because you have to, damnit |
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| 02:50.04 | rahul | helix: you're not helping, damn it :P |
| 02:50.04 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: so the package list is up-to-date |
| 02:50.07 | Orhad2 | ok, i just updated my sources.list with unstable |
| 02:50.12 | bztunk | quer: I don't know, try windowmaker or something |
| 02:50.13 | quer | is it some wm-s similar to sawfish, but with upgrading features ? |
| 02:50.14 | Orhad2 | so now i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:50.20 | Orhad2 | then apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:50.22 | helix | Orhad2: ok.. apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:50.24 | helix | doh |
| 02:50.26 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:50.30 | helix | this is why i'm never on topic |
| 02:50.35 | bztunk | ~start a wm war |
| 02:50.50 | sgeigerbot | helix: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search h2n | less -- will search for files with h2n in the name (searches all debian packages) |
| 02:50.51 | cl0ud | someone know where i change keymaps for kdm/gdm? cant use "@£" |
| 02:50.58 | quer | bztunk, what one are you using ? |
| 02:51.01 | bztunk | !start a wm war |
| 02:51.01 | dpkg | KDE blows! |
| 02:51.04 | bztunk | quer: ratpoison |
| 02:51.10 | bztunk | dpkg: thakns |
| 02:51.11 | dpkg | bztunk: i don't know |
| 02:51.15 | bztunk | dpkg: thanks |
| 02:51.15 | dpkg | bztunk: no problem |
| 02:51.16 | helix | sgeigerbot: what are the advantages of that over apt-cache search? |
| 02:51.22 | helix | sgeigerbot: is it just more thorough? |
| 02:51.23 | cl0ud | dpkg: blackbox |
| 02:51.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, blackbox is a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at blackbox.alug.org or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the bbtools factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use... |
| 02:51.35 | cl0ud | dpkg: xfce |
| 02:51.36 | dpkg | from memory, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce |
| 02:51.44 | cl0ud | ;) |
| 02:51.45 | helix | Orhad2: don't msg me |
| 02:51.48 | helix | pretty please |
| 02:51.57 | bztunk | dpkg: fluxbox |
| 02:51.57 | dpkg | fluxbox is probably a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features |
| 02:52.06 | Orhad2 | helix you're conflicting with what bettlebrox said |
| 02:52.07 | sgeigerbot | helix: It's a different type of search. One finds packages, the other does a grep of filenames within all Debian packages. |
| 02:52.12 | helix | Orhad2: no i'm not |
| 02:52.13 | bettlebrox | dpkg: dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.14 | dpkg | ask me about 'potato->woody' or 'potato->sid', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 02:52.17 | helix | Orhad2: you have to do one before you do the other |
| 02:52.20 | bztunk | dpkg: windowmaker |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, windowmaker is the BRAZILIAN window manager, flexible and highly configurable. Developed by Alfredo K. Kojima <kojima@conectiva.com.br>. |
| 02:52.24 | cl0ud | dpkg: KDE owns |
| 02:52.24 | dpkg | cl0ud: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 02:52.28 | helix | hey, idiots! #debian-bots |
| 02:52.29 | ryuujin | bleh, i'm too tired to make any sence out of this shit now. |
| 02:52.32 | cl0ud | dpkg: its fast.. |
| 02:52.32 | dpkg | cl0ud: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:52.35 | cl0ud | ;p |
| 02:52.38 | Orhad2 | so you have to do apt-get update apt-get upgrade before doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:52.46 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: helix is right, U do an apt-get update first. then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.48 | bztunk | helix: we are helping mister quer here |
| 02:52.50 | sgeigerbot | rahul: helix is talking to you. |
| 02:52.51 | [Roosta] | cl0ud - it's a bot |
| 02:52.55 | Orhad2 | ok |
| 02:52.59 | Orhad2 | that makes sense |
| 02:52.59 | cl0ud | [Roosta]: i know |
| 02:53.09 | helix | bztunk: help him in #debian-bots kthxbi |
| 02:53.19 | helix | Orhad2: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:53.21 | bztunk | !kthxbi |
| 02:53.28 | Orhad2 | cool helix |
| 02:53.34 | rahul | sgeigerbot: I was talking to some malfunctioning bot in #metallica over of ever-fucked-up-net |
| 02:53.35 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: alright I've edited my /etc/apache/httpd.conf file to include the DOS module for php4 and I've installed php4 and then 'apachtectl restart' yet apache -l doesn't show a php module |
| 02:53.40 | Orhad2 | if i move to unstable, should i remove the entry for security.debian.org ? |
| 02:53.50 | helix | sgeigerbot: btw, thanks for the info |
| 02:53.50 | bztunk | Orhad2: yes |
| 02:53.54 | rahul | sgeigerbot: which would explain why she was talking to me |
| 02:53.57 | simonrvn | mrcucumber: that only shows builtins |
| 02:53.57 | bztunk | Orhad2: or comment it |
| 02:54.02 | Xenocide | bztunk: why? |
| 02:54.06 | rahul | helix: or #metallica, fwiw |
| 02:54.13 | Orhad2 | so security is already integrated into unstable (i'm assuming) ? |
| 02:54.19 | helix | !shoot rahul |
| 02:54.19 | bztunk | Xenocide: because there's no security updates for unstable |
| 02:54.28 | rahul | heh |
| 02:54.32 | bztunk | Orhad2: kinda, yes |
| 02:54.44 | rahul | helix: do I have to do that disintegrating and staying as a choking mist thing again? |
| 02:54.46 | bztunk | Orhad2: but don't expect a secure system under unstabe |
| 02:54.55 | Xenocide | Orhad2: you don't have to |
| 02:55.06 | helix | rahul: if you wouldn't mind - and do it with some pinache this time for gods sake |
| 02:55.08 | ryuujin | going to sleep. |
| 02:55.10 | Orhad2 | i would like some security... |
| 02:55.18 | Xenocide | Orhad2: in what form? |
| 02:55.21 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: "DOS module" What? Are you using apache on Windows? |
| 02:55.24 | Orhad2 | with something not as outdated as stable |
| 02:55.30 | helix | Orhad2: stable only gets security updates because the packages themselves are not updated |
| 02:55.30 | bztunk | fuck |
| 02:55.33 | mrcucumber | no sorry DSO ? |
| 02:55.34 | rahul | sigh. women. |
| 02:55.39 | bztunk | i just did a rm instead of a mv |
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| 02:55.44 | mrcucumber | apache on windows god now. |
| 02:55.46 | helix | hm |
| 02:55.47 | mrcucumber | err god no. |
| 02:55.47 | De_Mon | bztunk those suck |
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| 02:55.53 | helix | !beat the living caca out of rahul, if you don't mind |
| 02:56.04 | Xenocide | how does one mistake one for the other? |
| 02:56.07 | Orhad2 | Xenocide what do you mean in what form / |
| 02:56.08 | rahul | I don't mind with a large stick, fwiw |
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| 02:56.13 | Orhad2 | in the form of updated security patches |
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| 02:56.20 | helix | fuck. *another* masochist. |
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| 02:56.26 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: look for every instance of php in httpd.conf ...and also look in /etc/apache/modules (if this is a new version of apache) |
| 02:56.26 | mwilson | Orhad2: Woody is somehow not functional? |
| 02:56.53 | Orhad2 | i never said its not functional, but some of the packages are horribly old |
| 02:56.56 | Xenocide | Orhad2: well, security only makes patches that wouldnt otherwise be available for stable afaik |
| 02:56.56 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation. |
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| 02:57.04 | rahul | helix: another in that I'm practically asking you to hit me again or in that you took my sentence in the grammatical context you intended, but never realized? |
| 02:57.11 | mwilson | Orhad2: And that automatically means they don't do the job they were created to do. |
| 02:57.13 | Xenocide | Orhad2: in otherwords, they only fix the bugs they know of via unstable |
| 02:57.26 | paul | anyone know what is causing this error while doing an "apt-get install foo"? "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library" |
| 02:57.34 | rahul | oof. |
| 02:57.41 | Xenocide | but i could be wrong in this; i dont think many people on the security team hang out on IRC |
| 02:57.42 | sgeigerbot | helix: keep kicking him...but lower and lower... |
| 02:57.43 | helix | err |
| 02:57.46 | DelEat | hmm - my hd is failing, and I have to send it in for an RMA... I want to backup my data (entire / partition) to a server, what would be the best way to do it (also keep in mind that if I tar it, the root user of the server can see my pwds and other files, which I don't want)... |
| 02:57.49 | helix | sgeigerbot: you're next |
| 02:57.57 | mwilson | paul: You're trying to use a locale you haven't built support for. What ELSE would it mean? |
| 02:58.04 | Orhad2 | mwilson - no, but it doesn't suit my needs, and i'm sure many others needs |
| 02:58.28 | sudo | how should I see a lit of all isntalled packages, i would like to remove everything related to perl |
| 02:58.35 | sudo | s/lit/list |
| 02:58.38 | helix | DelEat: rsync? |
| 02:58.45 | rahul | sudo: debian is realted to perl, actually. |
| 02:58.45 | sudo | s/list/lit/ |
| 02:58.45 | Vladkao | sudo dpkg -l | less |
| 02:58.47 | rahul | related, even. |
| 02:58.47 | Xenocide | Orhad2: you could try testing if you're worried about new features being bugs |
| 02:58.53 | sudo | os, small l |
| 02:58.53 | mwilson | sudo: You want to break the box, then. |
| 02:58.59 | rahul | Vladkao: no need for sudo. |
| 02:59.05 | sgeigerbot | ~+cafuegodict rufty |
| 02:59.07 | DelEat | helix: don't have - will google... brb |
| 02:59.07 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: alright well, everything seems in working order except the php file won't display it just wanted to DL http://67.168.206.25/zuul/ |
| 02:59.13 | Vladkao | rahul his nick is sudo ... :) |
| 02:59.23 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: doesn't server up the index.php file............ |
| 02:59.25 | rahul | Vladkao: fix your nick complete, then :P |
| 02:59.29 | Vladkao | heh |
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| 02:59.34 | sudo | I was thinking to install 5.8.2 from source, so delete all other perl stuff first, that isnt a good idea? |
| 02:59.37 | rahul | 21:59 < mPulse> rahul do you not like me anymore |
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| 02:59.41 | mwilson | Oh, here we go again. |
| 02:59.41 | helix | Vladkao must be using bitchx |
| 02:59.45 | Xenocide | Orhad2: you should also look at the reference guide under the topic of securing debian. in particular, I think the harden virtual package is useful |
| 02:59.46 | rahul | hrmf. the bot is an attention whore. |
| 02:59.56 | mwilson | What makes you think you need to install 5.8.x from source? |
| 02:59.56 | Vladkao | helix mIRC, actually |
| 03:00.13 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: did you look for *every* instance of "php" in the conf files? Also, look for DirectoryIndex in httpd.conf |
| 03:00.20 | Orhad2 | Xenocide thanks, i'll take a look at it |
| 03:00.21 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 03:00.22 | DelEat | helix: was rsync used in the debian attacks? |
| 03:00.22 | Vladkao | ok, ok, i'll boot knoppix if you wish me to use xchat... :] |
| 03:00.23 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: ...make sure "index.php" is in that list |
| 03:00.38 | helix | DelEat: um..not that i know of |
| 03:00.45 | helix | DelEat: all it does is mirror stuff |
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| 03:01.06 | Orhad2 | and i think i was misunderstood, i'd like the stability/security of stable with, what in my opinion isn't unreasonable, some what RECENT creation dates of unstable/testing |
| 03:01.14 | helix | !+rsync |
| 03:01.14 | dpkg | somebody said rsync was a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ |
| 03:01.16 | sudo | sok, so what is my best option to install 5.8.2, install over the debian stuff? |
| 03:01.27 | rahul | sudo: |
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| 03:01.34 | mwilson | sudo: Again, what makes you think you need 5.8.x? |
| 03:01.34 | sudo | or delete perl with apt-get and clean install perl? |
| 03:01.35 | rahul | NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ON NO |
| 03:01.43 | DelEat | helix: I know - look at the web page - says it was recently used in combination with a kernel vulnerability to hack a public server... |
| 03:01.49 | sudo | I like 5.8.2, i NEED all the utf stuff |
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| 03:02.02 | Xenocide | Orhad2: then i suggest you find your wallet and head over to progeny |
| 03:02.03 | helix | DelEat: ok, but i think the kernel vulnerability is kind of important |
| 03:02.08 | rahul | sudo: well, actually, /part #debian and promise not to EVER join again, and you're free to do that |
| 03:02.12 | DelEat | helix: don't worry - not vulnerable |
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| 03:02.28 | DelEat | helix: just make sure you're using rsync 2.5.7 and not 2.5.6 ;-) |
| 03:02.38 | helix | DelEat: you can always remove it after you sync it if you're that worried.. |
| 03:02.44 | Xenocide | Orhad2: at any rate, a new stable is coming soon. dec 1st was the target date i believe |
| 03:02.47 | DelEat | helix: I'm not - I was just curious ;-) |
| 03:02.59 | helix | DelEat: ok :) otherwise, does it suit your needs? |
| 03:03.08 | Xenocide | its too bad the servers were comprimised. christmas would have been an excellent time to promote new debian users |
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| 03:03.13 | rahul | rsync suits all needs. |
| 03:03.26 | Orhad2 | what does a a new stable mean ? |
| 03:03.36 | rahul | Orhad2: a new debian release |
| 03:03.36 | helix | err |
| 03:03.40 | Orhad2 | everything in 'stable' will be upgraded to versions in unstable ? |
| 03:03.40 | helix | Xenocide: why? |
| 03:03.42 | holycow | shit, whats the command to check which kernel module is running for my network card? i'm using knoppix so i can install the right debian module at boot time ... :/ |
| 03:03.44 | mwilson | Oh, goodie. We have an advocate in the channel. |
| 03:03.45 | helix | debian for christmas? |
| 03:03.49 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Yeah, I even symlinked mv and cp to rsync |
| 03:03.53 | Xenocide | new computer for chirstmas |
| 03:03.54 | rahul | Orhad2: no. it's more complicated than that |
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| 03:04.08 | helix | ah |
| 03:04.10 | Orhad2 | enlighten me :) |
| 03:04.11 | Vladkao | holycow lsmod ? |
| 03:04.12 | benjy_price | hi! i have a question |
| 03:04.13 | helix | i wish i'd gotten one of those :( |
| 03:04.13 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: testing is usually then next debian release |
| 03:04.15 | Xenocide | "lets stick debian on the new one" or more likely "lets stick debian on the old one" |
| 03:04.16 | rahul | sgeigerbot: mv /dev/random /sbin/init |
| 03:04.25 | benjy_price | what version of xfree have in debian 3.0r2 |
| 03:04.28 | nictuku | i am not even christian. That wouldnt be a good parameter for a release. quality is a good one. |
| 03:04.30 | helix | all i got was some stinky lotion and running shoes that don't fit :( |
| 03:04.36 | benjy_price | ? |
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| 03:04.43 | mwilson | sudo: (a) do not /msg me. (b) Point out, please, where I said whether you needed or didn't need anything. (c) get a clue. |
| 03:04.52 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: there only was only 2 instances of php |
| 03:04.54 | Orhad2 | wait a second, i thought it went like this stable -> unstable -> testing |
| 03:04.58 | rahul | Orhad2: testing goes into a freeze and all packages are tested very thoroughly. |
| 03:05.00 | helix | Orhad2: no |
| 03:05.00 | Xenocide | ... |
| 03:05.02 | mwilson | Orhad2: You thought wrong. |
| 03:05.03 | DelEat | helix: would rsync'in keep the right permissions for all the files? |
| 03:05.05 | rahul | Orhad2: not at all |
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| 03:05.08 | Orhad2 | oops :P |
| 03:05.09 | Xenocide | is english not your first language? |
| 03:05.09 | helix | DelEat: i believe so |
| 03:05.10 | rahul | DelEat: if you tell it to |
| 03:05.16 | cmorgan | anyone know of a reason why a 2.4.22 x86 machine would hang on X startup when it has no keyboard and mouse? |
| 03:05.19 | bettlebrox | Orhad2: stable, testing, unstable |
| 03:05.28 | DelEat | rahul: ok - reading man page |
| 03:05.34 | cmorgan | should i remove the keyboard and mouse entries from the XF86Config file or something??? |
| 03:05.37 | Xenocide | Orhad2: unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 03:05.40 | cmorgan | i'd still like to be able to vnc to the machine |
| 03:05.46 | Orhad2 | so its stable -> testing -> unstable woody -> sarge -> sid ? |
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| 03:05.51 | helix | Orhad2: yes |
| 03:05.53 | rahul | cmorgan: vnc has nothing to do with starting an xfree86 server. |
| 03:05.54 | Orhad2 | that would make more sense then |
| 03:05.58 | holycow | Vladkao hmm... not lsmod... there is one that i think lists allt he kernel modules loaded and for what device they are meant for i think? damn, i had this the other day... now i can't remember or google it! |
| 03:05.59 | holycow | he |
| 03:05.59 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: Create a php file called testing.php and then see whether you can display it. If you can, then make sure you have index.php in the DirectoryIndex part of httpd.conf ...and then do "apachectl restart" |
| 03:06.02 | holycow | heh even :) |
| 03:06.03 | DelEat | helix: rahul: is it faster than just scp? |
| 03:06.10 | [Roosta] | does anyone know where the xserver SecurityPolicy file comes from? |
| 03:06.11 | mwilson | sudo: Yes, shithead, if I ever /msg you, then you will be entitled to have a problem with it. As long as I am in open channel, however, I will say whatever I like. |
| 03:06.13 | rahul | cmorgan: please read the vnc docs and learn how to start a vncserver |
| 03:06.16 | Orhad2 | everything you guys were just saying makes alot more sense now :) |
| 03:06.17 | nictuku | Orhad2: read the site so you can understand the process. |
| 03:06.17 | mwilson | *sudo* well obviously dopnt message me 1st |
| 03:06.20 | rahul | DelEat: sometimes. |
| 03:06.23 | cmorgan | rahul: i'm well aware of how to start a vncserver |
| 03:06.26 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: it worked after I restarted apache, thanks very much. |
| 03:06.39 | Vladkao | holycow can't help you there :( |
| 03:06.49 | mwilson | Gods, people are SO fscking clueless. |
| 03:06.52 | holycow | thats okay brotha, i greatly appreciate it :) |
| 03:06.53 | Xenocide | nicktuku: the site definately needs some work on the matter. a few key graphics might greatly benefit reader comprehension |
| 03:06.55 | rahul | cmorgan: then you're well aware that "X startup" has nothing to do with anything that's connected to the computer. |
| 03:06.57 | DelEat | rahul: but if I rsync to a dir on a server, won't root be able to see all files?? |
| 03:06.58 | cmorgan | rahul: the machine locks at the very end of loading kde when it doesn't have a keyboard or mouse, and locks prior to displaying anything kdm in the same way |
| 03:07.01 | mwilson | sudo: Except that I didn't, of course. |
| 03:07.11 | rahul | DelEat: what does rsync have to do with that? |
| 03:07.20 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: np |
| 03:07.21 | bettlebrox | cmorgan: then disable X |
| 03:07.22 | rahul | sgeigerbot: heh, why me? |
| 03:07.23 | helix | hahaha |
| 03:07.34 | mwilson | sudo: Except that you just showed nothing at all, of course. |
| 03:07.34 | rahul | cmorgan: what does kdm have to do with this? |
| 03:07.35 | Orhad2 | ok, say i'm moving from stable to TESTING, do i keep my security entry ? |
| 03:07.36 | cmorgan | bettlebrox: makes it hard to vnc to the machine then... |
| 03:07.41 | sgeigerbot | rahul: 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
| 03:07.42 | helix | Orhad2: no |
| 03:07.44 | rahul | cmorgan: and what does kde have to do with starting the _vnc_ server? |
| 03:07.52 | DelEat | rahul: nothing, I guess, except the fact that helix suggested rsync after I listed that as a criteria for the program I'm looking for... |
| 03:07.53 | Xenocide | Orhad2: i kept my entry when moving to unstable... |
| 03:07.53 | ljlane | Orhad2, read the security FAQ |
| 03:08.03 | bettlebrox | cmorgan: vnc doesn't use X on the local system |
| 03:08.04 | ljlane | Xenocide too |
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| 03:08.09 | mwilson | sudo: Uh, I'm sorry you're so stupid... really, I am. But that's not a /msg, that's a statement in an open channel. |
| 03:08.10 | helix | i hardly suggested it |
| 03:08.12 | sgeigerbot | rahul: I apologize: I mentioned it only for the sake of general whateverness |
| 03:08.21 | cmorgan | rahul: the issue is that the machine is hard locking when no keyboard and mouse are present in two cases 1. kde is about to finish loading through vnc, 2. prior to kdm starting at bootup |
| 03:08.26 | rahul | DelEat: and that criterion includes hiding data from a person who has complete access to the disk it's on? |
| 03:08.35 | DelEat | rahul: yes |
| 03:08.37 | cmorgan | rahul: attaching a keyboard and mouse fixes the problem... this seems odd to me |
| 03:08.38 | tommyj | how do I mount sysfs? |
| 03:08.38 | helix | good luck |
| 03:08.47 | DelEat | rahul: pwd protected compression an option? |
| 03:08.49 | helix | the sysadmin is going to see your pr0n |
| 03:08.50 | benjy_price | anyone can sayme version of xfree in debian 3.0r2 ? |
| 03:08.55 | DelEat | rahul: (aka encryption) |
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| 03:09.05 | Xenocide | ljlane: it doesn't seem to be hurting anything... |
| 03:09.07 | mwilson | <sigh> No matter what, the world always finds a better idiot. |
| 03:09.09 | nictuku | DelEat: call houdini to hide that, or use a r00tkit. |
| 03:09.12 | bettlebrox | benjy_price: think U have a choice of 3.3.6 or 4.1 |
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| 03:09.14 | Xenocide | but let me try removing it and see what happens |
| 03:09.17 | DelEat | helix: no, not too worried about that - I'm uploading to a pronserver ;-) |
| 03:09.23 | helix | hahaha |
| 03:09.27 | rahul | DelEat: um... well... you could encrypt an archive and then rsync that or do the same with a loopback mount using encryption |
| 03:09.43 | ljlane | Xenocide, you would actually play hit or miss after being pointed to the documentation? Strange. |
| 03:09.55 | rahul | cmorgan: it is indeed odd that you're using kdm to start vnc and that you think that starting kde has anything to do with starting vnc. |
| 03:10.05 | Xenocide | you pointed to an faq |
| 03:10.05 | nictuku | helix: hehehe |
| 03:10.09 | cmorgan | rahul: i'm not using kdm to start vnc. |
| 03:10.15 | DelEat | helix: you try backing up your entire / with all subdirs... |
| 03:10.25 | benjy_price | bettlebrox i need 4.3 :( for geforce mx in a ASUS mb |
| 03:10.25 | DelEat | helix: I don't think I'm being very paranoid... |
| 03:10.26 | helix | no thx |
| 03:10.27 | Xenocide | which a not very enlightening one that basically said "we might release stuff for testing/unstable, you never know" |
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| 03:10.35 | rahul | sgeigerbot: well, I was just wondering how I was involved, exactly. :P |
| 03:10.40 | cmorgan | rahul: and in fact i don't think they are related. i do however think there is some kind of kernel issue when mouse and keyboard are not present |
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| 03:10.43 | rahul | cmorgan: then WTF does kdm have to do with this? |
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| 03:10.55 | helix | DelEat: i never said you were. i was kind of making a joke that wasn't intended to be very funny.. |
| 03:10.57 | bettlebrox | benjy_price: upgrade to unstable and use experiemental packages |
| 03:11.05 | rahul | cmorgan: there isn't, other than the fact that you can't use the local console for much of anything. |
| 03:11.07 | ulitz | how can i find out what my sound device is... like the /dev/dsp? |
| 03:11.09 | cmorgan | rahul: its a good marker of how far along X has started. the screen goes black and thats it, no kdm display |
| 03:11.12 | ljlane | Xenocide: not so |
| 03:11.21 | rahul | cmorgan: that has nothing to do with vnc |
| 03:11.26 | cmorgan | rahul: naturally. |
| 03:11.33 | genetix | 7 |
| 03:11.42 | rahul | cmorgan: why are you starting a local X display on a machine tat doesn't have the harware to use it? |
| 03:11.44 | cmorgan | rahul: but X maybe trying to access the keyboard/mouse at that time and it causes the kernel to lock up |
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| 03:12.00 | Brakki | join #easylinuxguide |
| 03:12.03 | cmorgan | rahul: even if i skip the local X display and use vnc to connect to it it locks up hard at the very end of starting up kde |
| 03:12.04 | Brakki | grr |
| 03:12.05 | Xenocide | ljlane: which point do you disagree with? |
| 03:12.08 | benjy_price | bettlebrox: thanks |
| 03:12.13 | bztunk | benjy_price: no |
| 03:12.14 | Brakki | not spam, forgot the / |
| 03:12.18 | rahul | helix: the tv 2000 is good, from my research. never bought it, so I can't vouch for linux driver support. |
| 03:12.19 | cmorgan | rahul: perhaps when kde/X tries to access the keyboard/mouse or soemthing |
| 03:12.20 | bztunk | Brakki: no |
| 03:12.22 | mwilson | cmorgan: Answer his question. If the machine doesn't have keyboard/mouse/monitor, whyinhell are you starting X on it? |
| 03:12.24 | ljlane | tommyj: fstab entry: sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 03:12.30 | Brakki | bztunk: stfu |
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| 03:12.34 | helix | rahul: gracias |
| 03:12.38 | rahul | cmorgan: no, kde probably breaks your CPU |
| 03:12.40 | cmorgan | mwilson: it does have a network connection. i was trying to use vnc through it |
| 03:12.40 | bztunk | Brakki: b& |
| 03:12.46 | benjy_price | puta por fin alguien habla español |
| 03:12.50 | cmorgan | rahul: what would kde have to do with the cpu? |
| 03:12.51 | ljlane | Xenocide, it's oabvious that you didn't read the FAQ. I see no reason to continue. |
| 03:12.53 | benjy_price | jauajhuaja |
| 03:12.53 | benjy_price | lol |
| 03:13.01 | cmorgan | rahul: and why would it work fine when the keyboard and mouse are plugged in? ;-) |
| 03:13.04 | mwilson | cmorgan: Ok, it has a network, and you want to use VNC. What, other than nothing, does that have to do with starting X on it? |
| 03:13.04 | rahul | cmorgan: it runs on the cpu, surprisingly enough. |
| 03:13.09 | helix | benjy_price: tranquilo bobi |
| 03:13.19 | ulitz | so is it possible to find out the sound device name? |
| 03:13.25 | rahul | cmorgan: maybe kde is being moronic. shrug. |
| 03:13.27 | Justin_ | !tell ulitz about audio |
| 03:13.30 | cmorgan | mwilson: naturally vnc does require X to be started |
| 03:13.31 | rahul | it's been known to do that. |
| 03:13.36 | rahul | cmorgan: NO IT DOES NOT |
| 03:13.43 | cmorgan | rahul: ahh |
| 03:13.48 | ulitz | no... sound works just wonder what my sound device is |
| 03:13.48 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Exactly: You are a moron. |
| 03:13.50 | mwilson | cmorgan: It does? When did you add that requirement, and when were you going to let AT&T know you had? |
| 03:13.52 | rahul | cmorgan: you said you understood that "starting X" has nothing to do with starting vnc. |
| 03:13.55 | [Roosta] | what can i do about a missing RGB_DB when starting X? |
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| 03:13.56 | helix | haha |
| 03:13.59 | tommyj | ljlane: thanks! |
| 03:14.03 | Web52|Doochy | smb = ? |
| 03:14.03 | nictuku | cmorgan: it uses "it's own" x sessions. |
| 03:14.07 | mwilson | cmorgan: Certainly the VNC developers don't know you've added that requirement. |
| 03:14.11 | rahul | sgeigerbot: is that what /dev/random spat out? |
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| 03:14.13 | cmorgan | so vnc doesn't start up any part of the X server? |
| 03:14.14 | Justin_ | [Roosta]: run tasksel and install X |
| 03:14.14 | nictuku | mwilson: haha |
| 03:14.16 | Orhad2 | ok, i successfully upgraded to unstable (crosses fingers), how can i do a COMPLETE kde install ? |
| 03:14.18 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Hardly. |
| 03:14.25 | rahul | !penixstrike cmorgan |
| 03:14.25 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
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| 03:14.28 | Xenocide | bwhahah |
| 03:14.28 | helix | kde on debian is teh suck |
| 03:14.32 | rahul | hey! |
| 03:14.33 | cmorgan | i had no idea.. i though it started one up and intercepted the data |
| 03:14.35 | cmorgan | my bad ;-) |
| 03:14.36 | Xenocide | that sucks |
| 03:14.37 | cmorgan | anyway |
| 03:14.38 | mwilson | cmorgan: No. Why would it need to? |
| 03:14.40 | Xenocide | kde |
| 03:14.46 | rahul | !factinfo penixstrike |
| 03:14.46 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as penixstrike, rahul |
| 03:14.47 | cmorgan | the machine does lock hard though |
| 03:14.50 | Web52|Doochy | SMB = ? |
| 03:14.54 | helix | NO PENIX STRIKE? |
| 03:14.58 | [Roosta] | tasksel huh |
| 03:14.58 | Orhad2 | well kde or gnome, i couldn't care which |
| 03:15.01 | rahul | !factinfo penixstrike (.*) |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | rahul: there's no such factoid as penixstrike (.*) |
| 03:15.02 | mwilson | cmorgan: Then don't FSCKING start X up on it! |
| 03:15.06 | tommyj | ljlane: thanks alot :) it's working now |
| 03:15.07 | helix | what will we do without all of the obvious innuendo |
| 03:15.08 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: damn...doesn't sid have iwconfig? |
| 03:15.10 | Xenocide | ah, gnome is much friendlier |
| 03:15.10 | cmorgan | and it seems like the kernel shouldn't crash due to lack of keyboard and mouse |
| 03:15.15 | mwilson | cmorgan: My gods, it's not like this is rocket science. |
| 03:15.16 | bztunk | ~factinfo prenixstrike |
| 03:15.16 | | there's no such factoid as prenixstrike, bztunk |
| 03:15.24 | cmorgan | mwilson: happens at the end of kde via a vnc session as well |
| 03:15.25 | Xenocide | Orhad2: is gnome crashing on login for you? |
| 03:15.27 | rahul | ~penixstrike cmorgan |
| 03:15.34 | cmorgan | mwilson: so that workaround doesn't help ;-) |
| 03:15.38 | helix | fake apt |
| 03:15.40 | Orhad2 | xenocide i haven't installed it yet, and i don't know how |
| 03:15.44 | mwilson | cmorgan: 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. 5.. |
| 03:15.47 | rahul | ~literal penixtrike |
| 03:15.49 | Xenocide | apt-get install gnome...? |
| 03:15.50 | rahul | erg |
| 03:15.52 | cmorgan | was mostly wondering if anyone heard of such craziness |
| 03:15.53 | rahul | ~literal penixstrike |
| 03:15.55 | | penixstrike is <reply> A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
| 03:15.58 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: ...oh...peraps that' snto the packag ename |
| 03:15.59 | Orhad2 | i just installed my system, and i'm creating quick ghost images for every step of the way |
| 03:16.02 | holycow | how does one determine ideal swap space? 1/2 ram? |
| 03:16.02 | Orhad2 | i'm anal like that |
| 03:16.03 | Orhad2 | hehe |
| 03:16.04 | rahul | hmm |
| 03:16.06 | mwilson | Gods. |
| 03:16.07 | Xenocide | heh clearly |
| 03:16.15 | Xenocide | all you really need is the boot cd for rescue operations |
| 03:16.18 | helix | gross |
| 03:16.19 | DelEat | what filesystem is on a DOS-floppy? |
| 03:16.20 | Vladkao | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.23 | Xenocide | its desinged with that in mind |
| 03:16.23 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: ok...found it |
| 03:16.26 | bztunk | DelEat: fat12 |
| 03:16.33 | Orhad2 | xeno lemme try that |
| 03:16.50 | mwilson | You can't be bothered to learn how the tool works, but you want to use it. You can't be bothered to configure things properly, yet you come here and ask how to set things up. Then you ignore what you're told, since you somehow know better, even though you know nothing. |
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| 03:17.01 | Xenocide | knoppix also works in a pinch, if you're familiar with UNIX tools |
| 03:17.08 | cmorgan | i can't imagine i'm the only one trying to run kde on a headless machine... i saw one odd report about apd causing the problem on the kernel list but that was it |
| 03:17.17 | tommyj | hmm, how do I configure ALSA under 2.6? alsaconf does not find any sound cards.. |
| 03:17.19 | DelEat | is it called 'dos' when mounting? |
| 03:17.26 | helix | hm. the mythtv programmer uses debian unstable |
| 03:17.27 | holycow | Vladkao i would imagine then that swap should equal the amount of ram in an ideal situation? |
| 03:17.27 | Orhad2 | mwilson who are you talking about |
| 03:17.47 | thebug | DelEat: msdos or vfat is the kernel name for the filesystem |
| 03:17.50 | Xenocide | hmm. i think i have mwilson on ignore |
| 03:17.59 | dendrite | tommyj: Does dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base work? |
| 03:18.00 | thebug | DelEat: vfat will give you long file names, msdos wont |
| 03:18.04 | Vladkao | holycow if you have 1GB of ram, you almost never touch swap ... |
| 03:18.07 | bettlebrox | nice quote from mwilson |
| 03:18.08 | Xenocide | it was probably a very good idea at the time. but im sure hes bitching at me now |
| 03:18.08 | mwilson | Vladkao: Stupid people give me a headache. Why is it that the moron with the power saw never manages to cut his throat? |
| 03:18.16 | Cobain | is there an ircstats page for #debian? |
| 03:18.17 | holycow | xeno, true that, it's saved me on two occassions already, on one i managed to ftp out all the data off an laptop hd that crashed on the next boot |
| 03:18.21 | Vladkao | haha |
| 03:18.29 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: That's a beautiful quote... |
| 03:18.29 | DelEat | mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device |
| 03:18.32 | DelEat | ?? |
| 03:18.32 | bztunk | Cobain: !piggy |
| 03:18.35 | helix | hshs |
| 03:18.36 | helix | er |
| 03:18.37 | Cobain | !piggy |
| 03:18.38 | dpkg | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
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| 03:18.41 | helix | ahem. s/hshs/haha/ |
| 03:18.52 | DelEat | heeh - helps if I put in the right disk ;- |
| 03:18.52 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Feel free. |
| 03:18.54 | Xenocide | now i need to figure out where xchat keeps its ignore list |
| 03:18.54 | Vladkao | mwilson there were, are and will be such poeple, you can't escape :) |
| 03:19.03 | holycow | Vladkao 1.5 gigs, i know it doesnt touch swap space as my hd doesnt move, but one should still have swap, no? |
| 03:19.11 | DelEat | nope |
| 03:19.13 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Oh, I thought you wanted the other one. |
| 03:19.18 | Anarion | peeps i always get errorcode 1 when installing kernel-image-2.4.23 via backports.org on my woody box but what the heck is errorcode 1 |
| 03:19.22 | tommyj | dendrite: let me try... |
| 03:19.23 | Anarion | -ing |
| 03:19.23 | bettlebrox | mwilson: it sucks even more if you have to support them .... |
| 03:19.25 | Anarion | somewher |
| 03:19.26 | Anarion | e |
| 03:19.27 | Anarion | *g* |
| 03:20.16 | bettlebrox | anyone know why artsd sucks up CPU when juk is running? |
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| 03:20.36 | Vladkao | holycow you have 1.5 GB RAM? make 256MB swap and live happy |
| 03:20.45 | namirhA | yep |
| 03:20.50 | namirhA | 300mb swap should be great |
| 03:20.56 | thiccups | holycow: swap size really depends on the typical role of the system desktop less database server more just incase |
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| 03:21.01 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: !!!!! it still keeps trying to serve up the php files for download instead of running them. |
| 03:21.13 | holycow | 300, thats it? k. :) thx guys appreciate it |
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| 03:21.19 | [Roosta] | mrcucumber - how about some more annoying !!!!'s |
| 03:21.22 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: I could swear you said you fixed it already. |
| 03:21.28 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: http://67.168.206.25/zuul/index.php |
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| 03:21.38 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: I know what you are talking about. |
| 03:21.45 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: yeah I thought it was working, I was wrong.. |
| 03:21.50 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: Is the php module loaded? |
| 03:22.03 | mrcucumber | sgeigerbot: how would I check? |
| 03:22.04 | tommyj | dendrite: nope, /dev/dsp doesn't even exist |
| 03:22.18 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: actually search for "php" using your text editor...you might be missing something... |
| 03:22.22 | mrcucumber | [Roosta]:sorry, I'm really frustarted. |
| 03:22.30 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: /sbin/apache -l or something like that... |
| 03:22.37 | bettlebrox | mrcucumber: sure it's not your browser? |
| 03:22.42 | ToreSB | How many people use Debian? A global usage statistic= |
| 03:22.54 | sgeigerbot | bettlebrox: No, php is parsed server-side |
| 03:23.09 | rahul | tommyj: for that to happen, you need to manually do something. what did you do? |
| 03:23.14 | sgeigerbot | bettlebrox: It will be straight HTML by the time it gets to the browser. |
| 03:23.16 | dendrite | tommyj: Hmm. Are you building your own 2.6.0 kernel, and if so (or if not, for that matter), is your card supported? |
| 03:23.19 | thiccups | mrcucumber: remove the # infront the #LoadModules php4 then add index.php after the line that reads index.html index.htm etc |
| 03:23.19 | Anarion | das isch doch nervig knurr |
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| 03:23.33 | bettlebrox | but couldn't the browser be confused by the extension? |
| 03:23.36 | mrcucumber | thiccups: already been done. |
| 03:23.42 | tommyj | rahul: I just compiled the 2.6 kernel with alsa and the alsa driver for my sound card (emu10k1)... |
| 03:23.56 | sgeigerbot | mrcucumber: I suggest you find a tutorial... |
| 03:23.57 | asher | anyone had much luck with kernel 2.6.0? I've had a couple of crashes so far, and the first one gave me a nose bleed... |
| 03:23.58 | rahul | tommyj: AND devfs. thank you. did you install devfsd? |
| 03:24.09 | tommyj | dendrite: I'm building my own 2.6 kernel and my card is supported (it worked in 2.4) |
| 03:24.10 | rahul | tommyj: did you look in /dev/sound? |
| 03:24.14 | nictuku | asher: in compile-time,boot-time or run-time? |
| 03:24.14 | tommyj | rahul: not devfs |
| 03:24.21 | rahul | tommyj: definitely devfs. |
| 03:24.25 | tommyj | rahul: is that requird? |
| 03:24.25 | thebug | bettlebrox: the content headers are passed to the browser telling it that it's just html, regardless of the extension...it's already been rendered to html by the time it reaches the browser |
| 03:24.27 | tommyj | *required |
| 03:24.40 | Orhad2 | xenocide |
| 03:24.42 | rahul | tommyj: devfsd isn't required, but it sure as hell helps |
| 03:25.11 | Orhad2 | holy shit, when I do apt-get install gnome, it needs to download 167megs of stuff, unpacked to 500megs |
| 03:25.14 | tommyj | rahul: well, ok, but I don't have devfs in my kernel. what do I do? |
| 03:25.16 | asher | nictuku: it runs for a while, but then just barfs, I wondered if it was the nvidia drivers were bust, latest crash I'm not sure of yet, gotta wait till someone gets in in the morning to press reset button |
| 03:25.22 | Kawfee | ~penixstrike rahul |
| 03:25.30 | almost | another attempt I tried to mount the cdrom and it says not a valid block device, why? |
| 03:25.50 | rahul | tommyj: what DID you do to remove /dev/dsp, then, since it was there when you installed debian? |
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| 03:25.56 | Justin_ | almost: "the cdrom device" ? |
| 03:25.58 | rahul | Kawfee: nope |
| 03:26.02 | Justin_ | almost: what are you doing? |
| 03:26.09 | almost | I think so my dad was helping me |
| 03:26.20 | almost | I am just going to say yes |
| 03:26.22 | dendrite | tommyj: I don't have devfs support here, and alsa works, fwiw. |
| 03:26.29 | nictuku | asher: hmm I suppose it is running X, then? I believe yes, that could be a video board issue. could be. |
| 03:26.29 | tommyj | rahul: I did not remove /dev/dsp, it's there, but it's no such device |
| 03:26.39 | Orhad2 | an overall progress indicator would be useful when dealing with this many packages (167megs) |
| 03:26.39 | Justin_ | almost: i clicked "a button" in "the program" and i got "an error", why? |
| 03:26.40 | tommyj | dendrite: yes, devfs = :P |
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| 03:26.46 | Kawfee | !penixstrike rahul |
| 03:26.46 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 03:26.49 | Kawfee | dammit |
| 03:26.53 | rahul | some prude tried to "clean up" the channel, and all that'll do is make me insult people out of frustration with them instead of using a neutral intermediary to make it less personal. |
| 03:26.55 | Kawfee | !kawfeestrike rahul |
| 03:26.55 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit rahul, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
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| 03:27.07 | thebug | tommyj: there'a a script that comes with alsa (if you download the drivers from their site) that creates the right devices |
| 03:27.10 | rahul | tommyj: you're using alsa. use alsa's devices. |
| 03:27.19 | tommyj | dendrite: play complains about this: sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': No such device |
| 03:27.26 | Justin_ | !tell tommyj about audio |
| 03:27.29 | asher | nictuku: just the first time it crashed I was poking around in the nvidia bits of /proc, the latest time I haven't had X running due to not actually being at the machine for the hols... |
| 03:27.29 | tommyj | thebug: the devices are there... :P |
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| 03:27.39 | tommyj | rahul: what? |
| 03:27.44 | tommyj | ALSA is included in 2.6 |
| 03:27.47 | Vladkao | tommyj you didn't read the audio factoid ? |
| 03:27.49 | rahul | ... |
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| 03:27.53 | rahul | tommyj: you're using alsa. use alsa's devices. |
| 03:27.55 | Vladkao | tommyj or the #debian's faq ? |
| 03:27.55 | thebug | tommyj: but they're the wrong major/minor to be for ALSA, the ones you have are the major/minor numbers for OSS |
| 03:27.57 | dendrite | tommyj: Dunno. All I know is that it works like a charm here. |
| 03:28.22 | thebug | just because it's called /dev/dsp doesn't mean that it's _the_ /dev/dsp you are talking about |
| 03:28.40 | rahul | tommyj: consider enabling the oss emulation modules, too, if you'd like to keep using the oss devices with apps that don't have alsa support |
| 03:28.48 | cef | anyone here know wether the default debian postfix packages support smtpauth ? |
| 03:29.04 | tommyj | rahul: the option in dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base? |
| 03:29.11 | tommyj | Vladkao: which one? |
| 03:29.16 | cef | lo helix |
| 03:29.20 | rahul | tommyj: no clue. I compile my kernel. |
| 03:29.30 | helix | hi :) |
| 03:29.35 | rahul | helix: don't do that in public! |
| 03:29.37 | holycow | rahul, is it possible to enable alsa and oss, or is it either or where one occupies the hardware until the other needs it? |
| 03:29.38 | tommyj | rahul: eh, yes but alsa-base is not in the kernel |
| 03:29.43 | Web52|Doochy | anyon know if there is a phpsysinfo chan |
| 03:29.43 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
| 03:29.54 | Vladkao | tommyj: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ try also /msg dpkg alsatutorial |
| 03:29.58 | rahul | holycow: both can work at the same time. oss supports multiple cards. |
| 03:30.00 | tommyj | Vladkao: thanks |
| 03:30.00 | helix | rahul: why not? i have them posted on my website for the entire world to see :) |
| 03:30.07 | rahul | holycow: e.g., /dev/dsp2 |
| 03:30.11 | rahul | helix: *gasp* |
| 03:30.15 | holycow | rahul neat! thx :) i didn't knowthat |
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| 03:30.36 | rahul | tommyj: alsa-base has nothing to do with being in the kernel, yes |
| 03:30.37 | helix | cef: i'm not sure.. i don't really know what to look for :/ |
| 03:30.42 | fooz | it's rahul |
| 03:30.42 | helix | cef: all i know is i use postfix |
| 03:30.49 | |82nd|HeXeM | that was alot of ink |
| 03:30.50 | |82nd|HeXeM | :P |
| 03:30.50 | rahul | tommyj: well, it can, but it doesn't GO into the kernel |
| 03:30.55 | helix | !nickometer |82nd|HeXeM |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | '|82nd|HeXeM' is 99.850% lame, helix |
| 03:30.55 | rahul | EEK! it's a ZOOF! |
| 03:30.57 | fooz | the java programmer |
| 03:31.01 | helix | it's lamer than that |
| 03:31.04 | rahul | :\ |
| 03:31.09 | fooz | rahul hey man |
| 03:31.09 | hexem | :P |
| 03:31.13 | holycow | lol 82nd :) |
| 03:31.16 | rahul | zoof: don't humiliate me in public like that! |
| 03:31.18 | hexem | dod clan |
| 03:31.26 | hexem | wasn't surpose to be for this irc server....or room |
| 03:31.27 | hexem | :D |
| 03:31.52 | tommyj | rahul: no, exactly, and the 2.6.0 kernel has the ALSA drivers included, so it shouldn't be a problem. Strange alsaconf does not discover any sound-cards. |
| 03:31.52 | rahul | room? |
| 03:31.53 | hexem | channel |
| 03:31.53 | hexem | .. |
| 03:31.53 | cef | helix: heh.. yeah.. just trying to enable smtpauth so that I can allow people to take their laptops places, grab mail and send mail without issues |
| 03:31.53 | rahul | tommyj: beats me what alsaconf is supposed to do in the first place. |
| 03:32.09 | modus | okay, i gave up on the debian box i was trying to upgrade and came home to my *snif* mandrake box. |
| 03:32.15 | tommyj | rahul: configure alsa |
| 03:32.21 | helix | cef: ah. sorry i can't help.. my mail needs are pretty simple :( |
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| 03:32.26 | rahul | tommyj: I just compile the drivers I need. actually, now that I think about it, I think I did answer some debconf question and that's why the oss emu moduloes are all loading on boot. |
| 03:32.30 | thebug | fooz: a whole big bunch |
| 03:32.33 | modus | i screwed up a kernel switch and now my target box won't boot at all |
| 03:32.37 | rahul | zoof: 5 |
| 03:32.49 | rahul | tommyj: and that's supposed to mean what? |
| 03:33.06 | rahul | modus: so use the old kernel |
| 03:33.26 | modus | rahul: i wish i could :( |
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| 03:33.41 | thebug | modus: did you try linux.old or Linux.old from the lilo screen? |
| 03:33.43 | rahul | modus: so you intentionally changed your config so you couldn't? nice... |
| 03:33.46 | tommyj | rahul: find the sound-card, add entries to /etc/modules.conf and etc. |
| 03:33.49 | modus | rahul: the machine in question won't boot at all anymore. |
| 03:33.57 | rahul | tommyj: sounds painful |
| 03:34.01 | helix | haha |
| 03:34.07 | rahul | modus: you mean you broke the CPU? |
| 03:34.17 | adamhall | modus: if you have a knoppix disk it would be useful right now |
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| 03:34.37 | adamhall | unless you mean it won't boot off of anything now |
| 03:34.51 | dendrite | modus: Maybe lilo overwrote your BIOS!! =8-o |
| 03:34.58 | modus | thebug: unfortunately, the new lilo didn't offer my old grub as an option in the new menu ... there is no failsafe other than a CD image AFAICS right now. |
| 03:35.07 | tommyj | rahul: why is that? it has worked splendid in all other kernels. |
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| 03:35.15 | modus | s/AFAICS/as far as i can see |
| 03:35.26 | rahul | tommyj: just compile it correctly. |
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| 03:35.51 | aows | if i use kppp to dial to the internet, i can connect but can't access anything. This may be becouse I also have ethernet setup, but is not connected when I dial, what's the right setup for something like this? |
| 03:35.54 | dendrite | modus: So you were changing kernels *and* going from grub to lilo at the same time? |
| 03:36.01 | rahul | wtf does "take it handy" mean? |
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| 03:37.04 | tommyj | rahul: compile what correctly? |
| 03:37.10 | rahul | tommyj: the kernel |
| 03:37.19 | tommyj | rahul: I've compiled the kernel correctly! |
| 03:37.25 | tommyj | rahul: and I've loaded the modules! |
| 03:37.29 | rahul | then you don't need these stupid "tools" |
| 03:37.29 | tommyj | but it does not work! |
| 03:37.37 | tommyj | rahul: I did last time |
| 03:37.40 | rahul | !penixstrike tommyj, god damn it |
| 03:37.41 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 03:37.51 | modus | dendrite: exactly ... that's what i failed to anticipate ... LILO overwrote, not my BIOS, but my custom-hacked bootpath. Y'see, I foolishly partitioned this drive with boot, swap and root -- but cluelessly put the kernel on the root partition! Was able to hack grub to find the kernel, but LILO lost it on the dselect kernel upgrade. |
| 03:37.58 | tommyj | rahul: what do you suggest me to do then? |
| 03:38.15 | rahul | tommyj: compile the kernel correctly. |
| 03:38.27 | rahul | if you compile the kernel correctly, you will have the drivers you need. |
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| 03:38.35 | sr | hi |
| 03:38.39 | tommyj | rahul: I've already said I have the drivers I need. |
| 03:38.44 | helix | !greet sr |
| 03:38.45 | dpkg | Hi sr! |
| 03:38.46 | rahul | tommyj: then you're all set. |
| 03:38.47 | modus | dendrite: in other words, dselect "offered" to change from grub to lilo |
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| 03:39.05 | dendrite | modus: You can boot from an install cd and use the shell in VT2 to mount and move things around. That is probably what I'd try... |
| 03:39.24 | tommyj | rahul: yes, so what do I do? |
| 03:39.28 | modus | dendrite: and i was too slow or stupid to say "not yet" -- and now the box won't boot at all! |
| 03:39.34 | rahul | modus: do you always do what someone else wants? |
| 03:39.38 | cef | helix: ahh might have it figured out.. the package 'postfix-tls' adds tls and sasl support |
| 03:39.40 | rahul | tommyj: use it. |
| 03:39.45 | helix | cef: :) |
| 03:39.53 | rahul | tommyj: or don't, as you see fit. |
| 03:39.55 | tommyj | rahul: what do you think I've been trying to do? |
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| 03:40.49 | aows | i have a line in /etc/fstab for an nfs mount with noauto but if the net is not available the machine does not boot until it becomes available... How can I prevent this? |
| 03:40.49 | rahul | tommyj: I have no clue. you've just been complaining that something doesn't work. |
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| 03:40.49 | helix | what a puny netsplit that was |
| 03:40.56 | sr | anyone one know why da heck my pcmcia ethernet adaptater is not auto insert by my debian on boot ? |
| 03:41.00 | DelEat | hehe |
| 03:41.24 | sr | I mean, it used to works, but I did some nasty things with kernels |
| 03:41.30 | modus | rahul: ha ha ... not on my own box ... but the one in question is a special case, public-access in a local cafe, so i try to keep a special chroot environment for the cafe user. unfortunately, i may have lost a lot of work because of tonight's hasty kernel switch. |
| 03:41.33 | DelEat | sr: hotplugging? |
| 03:41.36 | mwilson | sr: <shrug> You haven't configured it properly. |
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| 03:41.43 | tommyj | rahul: no I haven't. I've told you that programs trying to access /dev/dsp complains about /dev/dsp no such device and that dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base have added the modules to /etc/modules.conf |
| 03:41.43 | rahul | sr: consider compiling the drivers for it, or something. |
| 03:41.49 | sr | it is ! |
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| 03:41.52 | rahul | sr: how was it loading before? |
| 03:41.57 | mwilson | sr: Really. |
| 03:42.00 | sr | i got the right kernel module |
| 03:42.03 | sr | loaded |
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| 03:42.17 | sr | my /etc/network/interfaces properly configured |
| 03:42.18 | mwilson | And what module would that be? |
| 03:42.21 | rahul | tommyj: have you considered using alsa-aware programs instead? and telling them to use alsa devices? |
| 03:42.27 | sr | xirc_somethin |
| 03:42.35 | tommyj | rahul: like? |
| 03:42.35 | rahul | tommyj: what is the point in using alsa just so that you can be limited to the features of oss? |
| 03:42.47 | tommyj | rahul: because the sound-quality is better |
| 03:42.47 | rahul | tommyj: like pretty much anything |
| 03:42.54 | thebug | rahul: some cards are only supported by ALSA in 2.6 |
| 03:42.57 | DelEat | helix: rahul: rsync wasn't installed on the server... |
| 03:43.00 | tommyj | rahul: I just want to test the darn thing |
| 03:43.04 | sr | the problem is taht if the card is in the notebook on boot |
| 03:43.06 | tommyj | rahul: so that it WORKS |
| 03:43.09 | sr | it does no detect the card |
| 03:43.11 | rahul | sigh |
| 03:43.14 | sr | this is just weird |
| 03:43.18 | rahul | DelEat: well, that might do it :P |
| 03:43.19 | mwilson | sr: You don't even know the name of the module, but oh yes, you're sure you have it loaded. |
| 03:43.29 | thebug | rahul: i.e. anything with an Audigy in it |
| 03:43.33 | dyspnic | has anyone used opera and should i use static qt? |
| 03:43.38 | sr | mwilson: xircom_cb 6304 1 |
| 03:43.40 | rahul | thebug: ok... and? |
| 03:43.40 | sr | . |
| 03:43.40 | modus | dendrite: due to the weird partitioning i did long ago as a newbie, the kernel is not on the boot partition. There are three partitions: boot, swap, and root. The kernel is not on the first as it should be, but on the third. So, with a rescue CD, how do I mount the HD and change the bootpath? |
| 03:43.46 | DelEat | rahul: I don't think he's going to bother decompressing it just to have a look at my system... 6gb... he's got exams like me ;-) |
| 03:43.57 | mwilson | sr: And is the card PCMCIA or CardBus? |
| 03:44.00 | thebug | I certainly don't care about anything other than the audigy2 :) |
| 03:44.00 | rahul | tommyj: seriously, do you have any idea what you're trying to do? |
| 03:44.10 | ryuujin | i am so fucked; i can't sleep, because i cannot install screen on this computer... |
| 03:44.21 | sr | well it is pluged in my PCMCIA outlet |
| 03:44.23 | helix | wtf |
| 03:44.23 | RainbowW | is there a good auto-setup utility that will set up cups to work with an hp deskjet series printer connected to parport? |
| 03:44.29 | rahul | thebug: well, that's completely irrelevant to this discussion, and no one was disagreeing in the first place. |
| 03:44.36 | thebug | meh |
| 03:44.40 | sr | but in my lspci i got : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Xircom Cardbus Ethernet 10/100 (rev 03) |
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| 03:44.45 | mwilson | sr: Amazingly enough, that's not what I asked you, now is it? |
| 03:44.46 | thebug | not trying to argue, sorry |
| 03:44.46 | rahul | DelEat: well, then get some sleep, fool :) |
| 03:44.51 | dendrite | modus: I quail at the thought of describing the steps you will need to go through, but I know it's possible, because I have used the install CD to repair lilo. |
| 03:44.54 | tommyj | rahul: get the alsa drivers to work I have said millions of times. |
| 03:44.54 | ryuujin | rahul: you wouldn't have the time / patience to help me with my quite big problem? |
| 03:45.00 | arauko | anyone good with gimp who could give me a hand changing the size of an imagen? |
| 03:45.11 | sr | I dont know what cardbus is so ... |
| 03:45.28 | rahul | sr: so you upgraded the kernel to something that doesn't use the system that you've been using and then you're complaining that the system doesn't work? |
| 03:45.32 | dendrite | modus: You can mount and chroot from that CD's shell on VT2. |
| 03:45.41 | helix | rahul: you're so concise |
| 03:45.47 | thebug | sr: cardbus is the newer version of PCMCIA...faster, 32 bit, etc etc |
| 03:45.50 | bztunk | dpkg: dict concise |
| 03:45.52 | rahul | ryuujin: based on past experience, I doubt I'd have that many days to dedicate to your problem... |
| 03:45.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'concise' (2 shown; 4 total): Concise \Con*cise"\, a. [L. concisus cut off, short, p. p. of concidere to cut to pieces; con- + caedere to cut; perh. akin to scindere to cleave, and to E. shed, v. t.; cf. F. concis.] Expressing much in a few words; condensed; brief and compacted; -- used of style in writing or speaking. ;; expressing much in few words; "a concise explanation" . |
| 03:45.57 | sr | well it is 32 bits |
| 03:46.03 | dendrite | modus: Or you can use lilo's ability to write to a specific place with command line switches. |
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| 03:46.11 | rahul | tommyj: and yet you haven't even tried to use them. |
| 03:46.27 | rahul | sr: that's all it has? |
| 03:46.27 | [Roosta] | assuming i had a fresh testing/unstable install, what would i need to install to get xfree86 and gnome up and running |
| 03:46.39 | modus | dendrite: i did go to virtual terminal Ctrl-Alt-F2, but what is the correct way to mount the HD? |
| 03:46.43 | ryuujin | rahul: i'm not that stupid. I'm only stupid when i get serveral methods of solving one problem and none of them works. |
| 03:46.44 | bztunk | [Roosta]: a clue |
| 03:46.56 | sr | rahul: to be honest, I used 'custom' home compiled kernels, but I thought that it should be better if I used kernel-images from deb package ... but unfortunatly I werent able to setup my "cardbus" card with those image |
| 03:46.58 | [Roosta] | bztunk - so give me a clue |
| 03:46.59 | sgeigerbot | ryuujin: May I comment on that? |
| 03:47.09 | sr | so I went back on home compiled kernel |
| 03:47.12 | ryuujin | sgeigerbot: i'd rather you wouldn't. |
| 03:47.15 | tommyj | rahul: WHAT!? I tried to play a sound file I've SAID. |
| 03:47.16 | sr | and then it doesnt work any more |
| 03:47.16 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 03:47.17 | mwilson | Hasn't he been asking the same question for hours and hours and hours? How many people by now have told him to install x-window-system? |
| 03:47.23 | rahul | ryuujin: ironic that you won't look in the documentation that comes with the stuff you're trying to use. but ok... |
| 03:47.29 | mwilson | I remember at least three or four... |
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| 03:47.36 | dendrite | modus: I don't recall if there is a specific mount point you have to use (/target, maybe?) -- but you should try and see what you find. |
| 03:47.36 | rahul | tommyj: /dev/dsp is NOT alsa |
| 03:47.39 | [Roosta] | mwilson - i don't recall anyone telling me to install that, if so i missed it |
| 03:47.47 | [Roosta] | i've already installed it |
| 03:47.49 | rahul | sr: try installing hotplug. |
| 03:47.56 | Wembly | how might i grab the tc package and apply a patch and recompile it such that it wont conflict with other versions and such? |
| 03:47.56 | sr | I mean, I have to do manually at each boot : cardctl insert 0, ifdown eth1;ifup eth1 |
| 03:48.06 | sr | rahul: what is it ? |
| 03:48.07 | dendrite | modus: I doubt you'll find a specific recipe for your situation, you just need to feel your way through. |
| 03:48.09 | ryuujin | rahul: i looked and i haven't found the solution to my problems since it's one file that is missing for the package to be removed via apt. |
| 03:48.12 | arauko | anyone good with gimp who could give me a hand changing the size of an imagen?? |
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| 03:48.17 | mwilson | [Roosta]: There's this amazing thing... if you're going to waste people's time asking stpid questions, the least you could do is pay attention to the answers. |
| 03:48.22 | bztunk | mwilson: hehe, some people are like that |
| 03:48.23 | LoRez | arauko: #gimp |
| 03:48.26 | dendrite | arauko: right mouse > image > scale |
| 03:48.31 | mwilson | arauko: Why do they need to be particularly good with it? |
| 03:48.31 | rahul | sr: why can't you ask the package manager that you already have and that already knows what it is? |
| 03:48.34 | tommyj | rahul: /dev/dsp IS THE OUTPUT OF MY SOUND CARD |
| 03:48.38 | [Roosta] | mwilson - i don't have much room to read in this terminal, and it scrolls fast |
| 03:48.42 | tommyj | rahul: /dev/dsp is SOUND OUT |
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| 03:48.44 | rahul | ryuujin: interesting that I told you |
| 03:48.50 | fooz | heh |
| 03:48.51 | rahul | tommyj: no it's not, you dimwit |
| 03:48.51 | arauko | mwilson, cause i have no idea about designing |
| 03:48.51 | [Roosta] | jump to a window, jump back, i've missed something |
| 03:48.53 | mwilson | [Roosta]: That's an excuse? |
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| 03:49.06 | rahul | tommyj: /dev/dsp IS NOT AN ALSA DEVICE NAME |
| 03:49.07 | [Roosta] | mwilson - it's the truth |
| 03:49.09 | fooz | #debian is just as vitriolic as ever |
| 03:49.11 | ryuujin | rahul: ... |
| 03:49.15 | mwilson | fooz! |
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| 03:49.23 | fooz | tommyj, do you have oss emulation module installed? |
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| 03:49.27 | mwilson | Hiay |
| 03:49.29 | jabbera | I use cups for printing to network printers via samba, at home everything works fine, but when i use my school printer, everything i print out comes out as postscript text. Can anyone suggest to me how to fix this? |
| 03:49.30 | tommyj | fooz: yep |
| 03:49.31 | modus | dendrite: GAR! if I want to try it I have to leave my apartment (with a working linux box) and trudge across providence to the cafe where the broken box is -- and I have to disarm an alarm before working on it, plus I can't check in w/ IRC folks unless I fix it! |
| 03:49.31 | mwilson | er, hiya |
| 03:49.33 | rahul | zoof: I'm being drowned by newbie idiocy! |
| 03:49.34 | fooz | hi |
| 03:49.37 | ryuujin | rahul: i can't learn how to use a program in a matter of nano seconds, even if you can. |
| 03:49.39 | tommyj | rahul: sure it is. |
| 03:49.42 | sr | rahul: what do u mean ? |
| 03:49.46 | mwilson | [Roosta]: http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss12291948.png |
| 03:49.52 | rahul | zoof: we've already been through this.. he claims he has "it all" loaded |
| 03:49.55 | mwilson | THEN tell me you can't bother to pay attention. |
| 03:49.55 | [Roosta] | i have no way to view a png |
| 03:49.55 | sgeigerbot | rahul: You are choking on your own vomit. |
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| 03:50.10 | rahul | ryuujin: amazing. and all I do is look at the docs that come with it. |
| 03:50.15 | fooz | 2.11BSD is cool |
| 03:50.21 | rahul | sr: I mean learn how to use debian |
| 03:50.28 | tommyj | rahul: ok then smarty, what do I do to get SOUND!? |
| 03:50.33 | dendrite | modus: Sounds obnoxious. Consider bringing the box back to work on it...? |
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| 03:50.38 | bztunk | fooz: i prefer system 2 |
| 03:50.50 | thebug | fooz: OS/8 on PDP-8... or FOCAL69 is nice |
| 03:50.51 | rahul | tommyj: tell your sound app to use alsa's devices, duh |
| 03:50.52 | sr | I'm just wondering what is the usual process that check for inserted card in my pcmcia outlet |
| 03:50.58 | sr | coz I loose it |
| 03:51.04 | ryuujin | rahul: if you're reffering to that apt-file i didn't have luck with apt-file search add-screen nor apt-file search remove-screen since those files do not exist. |
| 03:51.05 | tommyj | rahul: and what is the alsa devices named? |
| 03:51.17 | modus | dendrite: i should. not exactly the xmas present i may have hoped for. |
| 03:51.19 | rahul | tommyj: it's irrelevant. |
| 03:51.33 | fooz | tommyj, why do you feel that you do not have sound? are you getting an error? |
| 03:51.49 | thebug | tommyj: it's not the NAME, is the _major and minor_ numbers |
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| 03:52.08 | rahul | tommyj: look at an alsa-aware app and you'll see why, to preempt your next supercilious remark |
| 03:52.26 | rahul | thebug: don't make him screw up his /dev, please |
| 03:52.31 | tommyj | fooz: well, I thought /dev/dsp was the sound-device created by the alsa subsystem, so I tried to do `play file.wav' and I get an error saying /dev/dsp: no such device. |
| 03:52.37 | tommyj | thebug: ok, I'm lost :P |
| 03:52.58 | tommyj | rahul: an alsa-aware app like? |
| 03:53.07 | rahul | tommyj: you thought wrong. /dev/dsp is created by no "subsystem" unless you're using something you said you're not using. |
| 03:53.11 | fooz | tommyj, what are the device numbers of /dev/dsp? |
| 03:53.11 | tommyj | rahul: I've been using alsa for years now using /dev/dsp |
| 03:53.12 | rahul | tommyj: like alsaplayer! |
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| 03:53.24 | rahul | tommyj: well, then you haven't actually been using alsa |
| 03:53.25 | thebug | tommyj: my reaction to the whole thing is this: get 2.6, download all the ALSA stuff from ALSAs project site...read the docs, compile the kernel with whatever options you like, and try it |
| 03:53.35 | tommyj | rahul: wich does not require X |
| 03:53.39 | rahul | tommyj: that's like saying that you've been using linux for years because you've been using cygwin on windows. |
| 03:53.53 | thebug | tommyj: or, RTFM that come with TF kernel |
| 03:53.55 | rahul | tommyj: anything that uses libasound |
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| 03:54.15 | rahul | thebug: why does he need to download anything from ALSA's site, exactly? |
| 03:54.17 | fooz | team fortress! tinyfugue! |
| 03:54.24 | tommyj | rahul: why has `play' worked on 2.4 kernels with alsa before then? |
| 03:54.41 | bztunk | tommyj: because you had oss emulation? |
| 03:54.42 | thebug | rahul: that would have things like all the docs for ALSA and libasound and crew |
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| 03:54.52 | rahul | tommyj: I literally have a list of 100 packages here that use alsa |
| 03:55.04 | thebug | tommyj: apt-cache search alsa |
| 03:55.06 | fooz | rahul, is it doubly-linked? |
| 03:55.08 | rahul | tommyj: because you fucking had oss emu in the kernel |
| 03:55.16 | ryuujin | i take it people are ignoring me. |
| 03:55.19 | tommyj | thebug: ok, I've got 2.6, configured and enabled the ALSA modules, compiled, installed, rebooted, and tried play file.wav |
| 03:55.27 | rahul | zoof: doubly-linked lists are rather cumbersome for general usage |
| 03:55.27 | dendrite | tommyj: To give you an idea, xmms on alsa here, 2.6.0-mm1 kernel, and lsof shows that xmms has open the following devices: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p /dev/null /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 03:55.43 | rahul | thebug: well, amazingly enough, so does debian |
| 03:55.50 | kyll | do anyone know if its possible to reset a scsi controller, so it re-initialize the disks? |
| 03:55.55 | rahul | grr |
| 03:55.59 | tommyj | rahul: but I enabled oss emu now also! |
| 03:56.02 | rahul | why are you people so intent on confusing tommyj |
| 03:56.25 | bender_ | hi. i'd like to compile my own 2.4.19 kernel, i've extracted the tarball that i downloaded from ftp.kernel.org but now where can i download all the security patches to apply to /usr/src/linux ? |
| 03:56.27 | mwilson | kyll: Why would you need to? |
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| 03:56.38 | rahul | tommyj: wtf don't you just use the alsa devices, really? |
| 03:56.40 | tommyj | dendrite: hmmmm, ok. I see. |
| 03:56.55 | mwilson | bender_: What security patches would those be? Why are you using 2.4.19 instead of a current kernel? |
| 03:56.58 | tommyj | rahul: calm down |
| 03:57.05 | simonrvn | bender_: get 2.4.23 and you don't need to patch in security patches |
| 03:57.06 | sinsem | hi i'm doing in a netinstall of debian. what's the apt-get command i would use to install kde? |
| 03:57.10 | kyll | mwilson, my software raid made of 2 scsi disks are stalled/hanging and i dont want to reboot the computer |
| 03:57.11 | rahul | tommyj: I am calm |
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| 03:57.31 | mwilson | kyll: Sucks to be you. |
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| 03:57.35 | rahul | sinsem: if you're _doing_ the install, just choose kde when the package manager asks |
| 03:57.36 | tommyj | rahul: ok, downloading alsaplayer-text... |
| 03:57.36 | fooz | kyll, resetting SCSI is something you don't want to do.. the SCSI bus will reset itself when it has a problem |
| 03:57.38 | bender_ | mwilson: yes, any security patches that affect the 2.4.19 kernel like the do_brk (sp?) one |
| 03:57.47 | bender_ | simonrvn: i cant use 2.4.23 |
| 03:57.49 | simonrvn | fooz: ! |
| 03:57.49 | fooz | kyll, if your raid is giving you problems, fix it, don't mess with SCSI |
| 03:57.55 | mwilson | bender_: And why would that be? |
| 03:58.02 | rahul | yeah, don't fuck with texas |
| 03:58.05 | sinsem | rahul : this is after.. i've already done the instal |
| 03:58.13 | simonrvn | bender_: why not? |
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| 03:58.21 | bender_ | any version after 2.4.19 has not proven to be stable on the debian arm port for the Netwinder |
| 03:58.25 | rahul | sinsem: well, then learn how to use aptitude. apt-get install aptitude, and run it |
| 03:58.28 | kyll | fooz, its not the raid itself. i tryed to read from the disks with dd and the process is hanging now aswell |
| 03:58.37 | bztunk | bender_: wow, specific needs |
| 03:58.42 | bender_ | =/ |
| 03:58.46 | rahul | kyll: so the disks are probably bad |
| 03:58.51 | simonrvn | bender_: then it's an issue for netwinder/arm innit? |
| 03:58.53 | fooz | kyll, and you're not getting read errors or anything? |
| 03:58.55 | bztunk | bender_: then apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.19 ? |
| 03:59.02 | bender_ | simonrvn: i'm sure it is |
| 03:59.02 | kyll | fooz, nothing |
| 03:59.07 | rahul | kyll: dmesg and read what it says |
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| 03:59.12 | fooz | kyll, what about in your kernel message buffer? |
| 03:59.16 | simonrvn | bender_: then bug the hell out of the devel for it |
| 03:59.17 | toasty | which *-dev package do I need so I can try 'make gconfig'? |
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| 03:59.26 | bztunk | toasty: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:59.30 | simonrvn | bender_: so they fix the FUBARness |
| 03:59.32 | toasty | thanks! |
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| 03:59.42 | tag | heh |
| 03:59.46 | bender_ | simonrvn: that wont give me a secure kernel tonight though =P |
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| 03:59.51 | tommyj | rahul: alsaplayer -i text; Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. error opening /dev/dsp . Failed to initialize plugin! /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/liboss_out.so failed to load . NOTE: THIS IS THE NULL PLUGIN. YOU WILL HEAR NO SOUND! Segmentation fault |
| 03:59.55 | fooz | 2.4.19 isn't secure |
| 03:59.59 | fooz | it's got a local root exploit |
| 04:00.02 | bender_ | and the developers already know about the issues |
| 04:00.03 | dendrite | tommyj: another data point: on my system /dev/dsp is just a symlink to another /dev entry. |
| 04:00.23 | simonrvn | bender_: no, true. but fooz is right, it has not 1 but 2 root 'sploits |
| 04:00.26 | bender_ | fooz: which is why i asked if there's anyway i can download a tarball of security patches for previous kernels |
| 04:00.30 | kyll | fooz and rahul, there are a few lines i would like to show in #flood if its ok? |
| 04:00.37 | rahul | dendrite: he's not using devfs. |
| 04:00.41 | tommyj | dendrite: on my system, /dev/dsp is a symlink to /dev/dsp0 |
| 04:00.45 | mwilson | bender_: Why would anyone provide such a thing? |
| 04:00.47 | fooz | bender_, no, you'd have to find the patches yourself on LKML and apply them. normal people just upgrade to a new kernel version |
| 04:00.59 | simonrvn | @lkml |
| 04:01.01 | ravenbird | i guess lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there, and ALSO read -all- messages from the archives before posting.) : http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
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| 04:01.17 | rahul | kyll: show zoof |
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| 04:01.25 | bztunk | ravenbird: you are a bot? |
| 04:01.25 | fooz | bender_, much easier to just fix the ARM problem yourself (if 2.4.20+ have a problem, look at what's different in arch/arm/ from 2.4.19 and reverse it) |
| 04:01.25 | bender_ | alright, i guess it's time to do more searching |
| 04:01.25 | bender_ | thx |
| 04:01.27 | ravenbird | bztunk: what are you talking about? |
| 04:01.32 | tommyj | rahul: could you help me out here please? |
| 04:01.32 | bztunk | wtf |
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| 04:01.47 | Xenocide | bender_: what's wrong with 2.4.23? |
| 04:01.47 | fooz | kyll, ehh, why are you showing me something? |
| 04:01.52 | fooz | kyll, you said there were no errors |
| 04:02.03 | Xenocide | oh, not stable |
| 04:02.10 | vash_ | can anyone help with getting running on a G3;2~? |
| 04:02.15 | kyll | fooz, i ment when i used 'dd' |
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| 04:02.21 | vash_ | sorry, with a PowerPC G3 |
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| 04:02.38 | sandman | Why is it that one must always edit sources.list? Couldn't that be handled automatically? |
| 04:02.39 | vash_ | i've apt-get installed alsa and related, but it doesn't appear to configure the correct module |
| 04:02.56 | fooz | sandman, one never has to edit sources.list after the first time, if one put the right values in |
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| 04:03.06 | kyll | fooz, sorry for the confusion. there are 5 lines from syslog i would like to show u |
| 04:03.10 | sandman | fooz: I heard for kde, you must add special sources |
| 04:03.15 | fooz | kyll, /query them to me |
| 04:03.27 | fooz | sandman, i don't use Windows err KDE, sorry :) |
| 04:03.31 | Web52|Doochy | Anyon here knows much about counter-strike server? |
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| 04:04.02 | kyll | fooz, thx |
| 04:04.08 | fooz | kyll, it looks like your disks are hosed |
| 04:04.16 | fooz | kyll, what kind of controller is this? |
| 04:04.18 | vash_ | is anyone running Debian on a PowerPC? |
| 04:04.26 | dross | heh |
| 04:04.31 | tommyj | rahul: you saw those errors? what do I do? |
| 04:04.38 | fooz | vash_, i'm sure a lot of people are |
| 04:04.41 | simonrvn | vash_: #debianppc |
| 04:04.42 | kyll | fooz, Adaptec AIC-7892A U160/m (rev 02) |
| 04:04.45 | vash_ | thanks |
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| 04:04.49 | dross | ive been monitoring channels for long time, why do mIRC attacks always come from #Debian and #Gentoo? |
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| 04:05.06 | dross | little fucking script kiddies need to go to hell |
| 04:05.11 | fooz | because rahul drives people crazy |
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| 04:05.47 | fooz | he's like "ph33r my lisp and my java" and the mIRC people go "wtf!" and attack people |
| 04:06.02 | fooz | that's my theory, anyway |
| 04:06.06 | Web52|Doochy | Anyon here knows much about counter-strike server? |
| 04:06.09 | fooz | kyll, what kind of drives? |
| 04:06.27 | dross | fooz: oh surely you jest |
| 04:06.35 | bztunk | Web52|Doochy: I don't think this is the right place to ask |
| 04:06.41 | dross | java isnt that great at all bvtw |
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| 04:07.15 | fooz | i don't use it |
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| 04:07.20 | dross | and I give lisp credit, its good for Emacs |
| 04:07.21 | fooz | i hate the sun |
| 04:07.33 | kyll | fooz, IBM model DDYS-T36950M |
| 04:07.41 | dross | well.. java binaries run 3-4 times bigger than C/C++ apps |
| 04:07.44 | fooz | kyll, is your scsi bus terminated correctly? |
| 04:08.01 | fooz | comparing against C is unfair (for both languages) |
| 04:08.05 | kyll | fooz, yea |
| 04:08.11 | fooz | most Java apps are using Swing, which is really bloaty |
| 04:08.16 | kyll | fooz, its been working fine for some months |
| 04:08.33 | fooz | kyll, it's probably a toasted drive. try pulling all the other drives off the bus and try it alone |
| 04:08.46 | rahul | dross: the emacs you know is the shittiest emacs ever created, fwiw |
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| 04:09.06 | dross | rahul: go to hell, im not here to start a multi function editor war |
| 04:09.07 | fooz | C++ stuff can easily be larger than java apps (KDE..) |
| 04:09.11 | rahul | even meager little hemlock kicks RMS's emacs's ass |
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| 04:09.15 | kyll | fooz, i feared u would say that :) |
| 04:09.15 | dross | fooze: no |
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| 04:09.27 | fooz | have you ever compiled Qt and KDE? |
| 04:09.33 | bender_ | while i'm still here.. is anyone here interested in buying some debian compatible ARM hardware? |
| 04:09.35 | fooz | some source files in there take 500MB of RAM just to compile |
| 04:09.39 | dross | oh im not even going to go into the shared memory and data memory thing |
| 04:09.43 | dross | dude I use KDE |
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| 04:09.48 | dross | i kjnow |
| 04:09.56 | rahul | dross: calm down. you don't need to bite whenever anyone mentions something outside of your experience |
| 04:10.02 | fooz | haha |
| 04:10.07 | rahul | dross: oh, and elisp is one of the crappier lisps, too :) |
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| 04:10.17 | fooz | see? i told you. rahul makes the mirc users do it by getting in language wars |
| 04:10.17 | dross | i also know, requested memory is put back into the pool after its useed, and the qt libs mem and stuff doesnt get decreaseed |
| 04:10.31 | dross | fooz: heh ya |
| 04:10.33 | fooz | he says "Visual Basic suxx0rs" and they go "omg wtf" and they packet everyone |
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| 04:10.47 | dross | fooz: oh... |
| 04:10.50 | rahul | zoof: with their VB ping scripts |
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| 04:11.20 | dross | i do admit though, i do think Qt goes overboard a little bit with thier over excessive classes like QSocket |
| 04:11.21 | rahul | zoof: note that they are VB pings, not ping scripts. |
| 04:11.50 | rahul | dross: socket library portability is a painful thing to attempt |
| 04:11.53 | dross | i never use QSocket, i use ACE library |
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| 04:12.04 | dross | rahual: theres socket++, or ACE |
| 04:12.12 | dross | portability is already there |
| 04:12.16 | rahul | heh |
| 04:12.27 | fooz | i like C# |
| 04:12.36 | rahul | dross: so what do they provide to help ease porting? |
| 04:12.37 | dross | though.. they might have made QSocket before ACE or socket++ was more stable |
| 04:12.55 | dross | rahul: multiplatform capability |
| 04:13.06 | rahul | not that I know what QSocket provides, for that matter. I'm not into that kind of S&M, regardless of what helix will tell you |
| 04:13.11 | fooz | C# is like a cross between Java and C++ |
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| 04:13.20 | rahul | dross: is that like theoretical practice? :) |
| 04:13.22 | amphi | thebug: heh |
| 04:13.35 | tag | I have mixed feelings about ACE |
| 04:13.40 | dross | rahul: well i only program for FreeBSD and Linux |
| 04:13.48 | dross | im not sure about mac or windows |
| 04:13.57 | mwilson | <sigh> I really need to start running squid somewhere. |
| 04:14.00 | dross | tap: buy a book or two |
| 04:14.02 | rahul | dross: so you're using one of the few socket implementations that are actually almost identical |
| 04:14.16 | dross | ACE is really good, despite the idiots saying its big, bloat , and dumb |
| 04:14.32 | dross | rahul: QSocket is limited |
| 04:14.51 | fooz | ugh. i'm going to fill up my AFS tonight |
| 04:14.52 | dross | but basically, QSocket and socket++ are the same thing |
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| 04:15.07 | dross | ACE is a frame work, and a good one at that |
| 04:15.14 | rahul | dross: well, that's helpful. (not that you'll convince me to use any of the 3 libraries we've been discussing, in any case.) |
| 04:15.18 | rahul | heh |
| 04:15.21 | rahul | don't talk to me about frameworks. |
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| 04:15.38 | denon | so, stupid Q, is 2.4.18 the latest x86 kernel I can easily grab with apt? |
| 04:15.40 | fooz | rahul is a lisp programmer.. they don't have sockets |
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| 04:15.45 | rahul | heh |
| 04:15.45 | fooz | they do everything over carrier pigeon |
| 04:15.52 | rahul | yeah |
| 04:16.07 | dross | ACE is good for large projects transferring large amounts of data at any time |
| 04:16.17 | dross | carrier pigeon eh? heh.. |
| 04:16.18 | thebug | lisp's opposing socket implementation: the shotgun |
| 04:16.18 | rahul | pigeons are the networking medium of the future. renewable and easily expandable. |
| 04:16.27 | tommyj | rahul: rebooted, still no luck |
| 04:16.44 | rahul | tommyj: interesting that you thought rebooting would help |
| 04:16.49 | tommyj | rahul: alsaplayer says it could not load 'alsa' |
| 04:16.53 | rahul | tommyj: your /dev/ is probably missing stuff. |
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| 04:17.04 | fooz | or the alsa modules aren't loaded |
| 04:17.07 | rahul | tommyj: no clue how to get it to work without devfs |
| 04:17.08 | tommyj | rahul: well, according to the alsatutorial dpkg told me about I should reboot. |
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| 04:17.23 | rahul | tommyj: sounds like a windowstutorial |
| 04:17.27 | fooz | mwilson, the fish tank |
| 04:17.29 | tommyj | rahul: probably :P |
| 04:17.30 | tag | I think its kind of sad that ACE is such a wanna be POE. |
| 04:17.38 | cafuego_ | wibble |
| 04:17.48 | tommyj | rahul: is 'alsa' an output module? |
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| 04:17.59 | dross | tag: knock it off |
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| 04:18.06 | fooz | hehe |
| 04:18.13 | mwilson | fooz: Which box, silly. |
| 04:18.23 | dross | trolls are not welcomeed |
| 04:18.32 | fooz | trolling is fun |
| 04:18.33 | rahul | tommyj: in what context? |
| 04:18.34 | tag | dross: I'm serious, you knock it off. |
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| 04:19.03 | rahul | dross: you are so amazingly intolerant of others it's a wonder you aren't alergic to yourself. |
| 04:19.04 | dross | tag: tell me when you grow up, then we can have a civilized conversation |
| 04:19.21 | dross | rahul: i know, isn't it great? |
| 04:19.27 | fooz | you're lucky rahul doesn't sic his artificial intelligence troll generating lisp programs on you |
| 04:19.29 | tag | dross: ACE -is- a wannabe POE, it has advantages because its written in C++...but the advantages aren't in the API, unfortunately. |
| 04:19.47 | tag | however, its very closely modeled after POE. |
| 04:19.49 | dross | rahul: not exactly |
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| 04:20.01 | tag | which is a similar framework, obviously, written in a different language. |
| 04:20.01 | dross | tag: no |
| 04:20.03 | tag | yes |
| 04:20.03 | rahul | dross: close enough for government work. |
| 04:20.11 | dross | tag: no |
| 04:20.14 | thebug | rahul: can you argue with that? I wouldn't mind everyone agreeing with me |
| 04:20.26 | tag | *ahem*, Why don't you bring up a point |
| 04:20.27 | rahul | thebug: I would. |
| 04:20.27 | fooz | if everyone agreed with me |
| 04:20.30 | tag | instead of just saying "No" as if you fucking have any idea what I'm talking about |
| 04:20.31 | fooz | i'd feel bad about hurting them :( |
| 04:20.33 | thebug | be somewhat more boring though |
| 04:20.33 | dross | tag: go buy a book and read up on ACE, or stfu. becuase you have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:20.35 | sgeigerbot | Where can I get info on what char-major-x and block-major-x mean? |
| 04:20.38 | rahul | zoof: that too |
| 04:20.39 | cafuego | woo, xirssi is somewhat less then stable |
| 04:20.46 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 04:20.48 | rahul | sgeigerbot: devices.txt in the kernel docs |
| 04:20.53 | tag | dross: Do you even know what the fuck POE is? |
| 04:20.56 | amphi | sgeigerbot: in the kernel src docs |
| 04:20.58 | tictac | heya. i gotta question. |
| 04:21.00 | dross | yes i used to use it in Perl |
| 04:21.09 | cafuego | tictac: It's spelled 'POO' here. |
| 04:21.11 | tictac | anyone here experience sound distortion after so long of using your sound device? |
| 04:21.14 | cafuego | ehm |
| 04:21.15 | rahul | thebug: if everyone agreed with me, I'd never learn anything. |
| 04:21.17 | cafuego | s./tictac/tag/ |
| 04:21.21 | tommyj | rahul: alsaplayer says: 'Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults.æ |
| 04:21.25 | rahul | thebug: I'd be stuck where I am forever |
| 04:21.27 | cafuego | rahul: i agree |
| 04:21.28 | tommyj | s/æ/'/ |
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| 04:21.38 | GomoX | hi |
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| 04:21.44 | rahul | !penixstrike cafuego, you stupid fucking bot |
| 04:21.44 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 04:21.51 | cafuego | hahaha |
| 04:22.02 | cafuego | !boobytrap rahul |
| 04:22.03 | rahul | tommyj: because it can't open the alsa devices, probably. |
| 04:22.21 | thebug | rahul: very very true |
| 04:22.22 | rahul | cafuego: stop it. helix will get jealous! |
| 04:22.35 | tommyj | rahul: ok, and what modules are required to create the alsa devices? |
| 04:22.38 | cafuego | rahul: I'm sure helix doesn't mind. |
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| 04:22.49 | GomoX | does anyone know how i can extract the boot image of a bootable cdrom ISO image? (i mean the data used after the -b parameter to mkisofs)? |
| 04:22.51 | fooz | i don't have problems with my sockets, because I use the Common Active C# Web Remoting Services XML SOAP Rotor .NET Passport Runtime sockets that rahul gave me |
| 04:22.58 | rahul | cafuego: bah, destroy my fantasies, why don't you? |
| 04:22.59 | tag | dross: Obviously you're lying. They're almost mirror images of eachother, most of the differences are inflicted by, or in utilization of, differences between the languages. |
| 04:23.19 | dross | *sigh* ok what ever =) |
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| 04:23.25 | cafuego | rahul: Not only that, I fart on them too! |
| 04:23.31 | rahul | tommyj: either none or devfs and the alsa driver for your card. |
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| 04:23.51 | rahul | zoof: what's rotor? |
| 04:24.01 | cafuego | 39.3°C |
| 04:24.13 | tommyj | rahul: I don't think I need devfs to get ALSA to work, seriously. |
| 04:24.19 | fooz | microsoft CLR for freebsd |
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| 04:25.41 | rahul | tommyj: I never said you did. |
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| 04:25.51 | calamari_ | hi |
| 04:26.02 | dross | calamari_ |
| 04:26.06 | rahul | zoof: interesting. in an auto wreck sort of way. |
| 04:26.08 | dross | : can i eat you? |
| 04:26.09 | tommyj | rahul: "either none or devfs and the alsa driver for your card"? |
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| 04:26.19 | calamari_ | dross: nope, I'm taken ;) |
| 04:26.19 | dross | calamari_: are you fried? |
| 04:26.26 | rahul | tommyj: indeed. |
| 04:26.33 | calamari_ | dross: bioled in a nice soup |
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| 04:26.38 | calamari_ | err boiled |
| 04:26.42 | dross | heh |
| 04:26.58 | sgeigerbot | ~+seen helo |
| 04:26.59 | | sgeigerbot: i haven't seen 'helo' |
| 04:27.07 | rahul | tommyj: so would you like to create the driver nodes without the drivers managing them for you? |
| 04:27.16 | calamari_ | I'd like to set up dpkg to retrieve packages from the Internet. Where can I read about doing that? |
| 04:27.19 | rahul | tommyj: if you would, you'd have to ask someone who is not me. |
| 04:27.28 | rahul | calamari_: you don't. use apt. |
| 04:27.37 | sgeigerbot | calamari_: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 04:27.37 | rahul | calamari_: and read the debian users' guide. |
| 04:27.40 | Penix | wenas |
| 04:27.46 | sgeigerbot | ditto |
| 04:27.48 | run_apt | what's the proper way to enable a specific unprivledged user to run apt-get using sudo? I"ve added apt-get to the sudoers file obviously, but then apt-get complains about ownership of certain files in /var... is there anything better than just changing ownership or access permissions on those files? |
| 04:27.50 | rahul | *gasp* PENIX! |
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| 04:27.57 | Penix | rah00! |
| 04:27.59 | rahul | they stole my penixstrike! |
| 04:28.05 | tag | dross: actually my statement probably should have been the other way around, I realize, since POE is much newer than ACE. |
| 04:28.07 | rahul | !penixstrike penix |
| 04:28.08 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 04:28.13 | tommyj | rahul: hmm, why would I want to do that? |
| 04:28.17 | Penix | ~penixstrike |
| 04:28.18 | | A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
| 04:28.27 | rahul | Penix: yeah, that's all that's left |
| 04:28.41 | rahul | Penix: only on apt, too. nothing on dpkg |
| 04:28.45 | calamari_ | rahul: I'd like to read the users guide. Is it in my directory tree somewhere? |
| 04:29.06 | Penix | !factinfo penixstrike |
| 04:29.06 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as penixstrike, Penix |
| 04:29.12 | Penix | :( |
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| 04:30.03 | Kawfee | ~penix butter |
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| 04:30.35 | rahul | calamari_: it's available in a rather obvious location |
| 04:31.00 | cafuego | @penixstrike Penix |
| 04:31.02 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 04:33.12 | calamari_ | rahul: you are right.. thank you, my brain must have shut off for a minute there :) |
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| 04:33.52 | helix | gross |
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| 04:34.11 | Penix | yay for $10 games at big w |
| 04:34.42 | Penix | sof is teh shit |
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| 04:35.36 | rahul | yay ravenbird |
| 04:35.52 | rahul | helix: blame penix. it's his defective OS. |
| 04:35.56 | helix | damn, penix is a last name |
| 04:36.03 | rahul | wha? |
| 04:36.09 | helix | google for penix |
| 04:36.27 | helix | i would *so* not take penix as a surname |
| 04:36.42 | Web52|Doochy | whats atd ? |
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| 04:36.49 | Penix | what about "schlong"? |
| 04:36.52 | helix | haha |
| 04:36.53 | helix | NO |
| 04:36.59 | rahul | ase.arc.nasa.gov/penix/ !! |
| 04:37.06 | helix | exactly |
| 04:37.15 | rahul | Penix: I always knew you were part of a NASA conspiracy |
| 04:37.16 | abs0lute | Documento.sh: line 58: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 04:37.18 | abs0lute | ??? |
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| 04:37.49 | abs0lute | help-me |
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| 04:38.24 | abs0lute | Documento.sh: line 58: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 04:38.26 | abs0lute | ??? |
| 04:38.27 | abs0lute | help-me |
| 04:38.31 | helix | pectoral implants are so confusing |
| 04:38.45 | Penix | why not just grow man boobs |
| 04:38.51 | yaman | hello... im having a small problem.. im loading a FAT32 filesystem, but for some reason the directories show up as files in Nautilus, XMMS, and other GTK dialogs |
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| 04:40.25 | rahul | helix: why on earth are you thinking about these things? |
| 04:40.33 | helix | rahul: because i can |
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| 04:40.41 | simonrvn | because she's thinking of man boobs |
| 04:40.45 | rahul | helix: thanks. |
| 04:40.53 | Penix | wouldn't they be breast implants in your case? |
| 04:40.55 | atm2 | Hi, is there any software to uncompress *.rar on debian?? |
| 04:40.57 | helix | rahul: np. http://www.drbolton.com/body/cases/Case09.htm |
| 04:41.00 | Penix | atm2: unrar |
| 04:41.04 | rahul | helix: no thanks |
| 04:41.06 | simonrvn | atm2: rar, unrar. simple |
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| 04:41.17 | helix | rahul: please |
| 04:41.22 | rahul | er |
| 04:41.25 | rahul | helix: no :P |
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| 04:41.43 | atm2 | Penix: simonrvn: thx |
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| 04:41.49 | Web52|Doochy | This is getting to wierd for me.. I got a debian system its doing nothink! i only run ssh |
| 04:41.52 | rahul | looking at over-muscular men makes me feel sick |
| 04:41.53 | Web52|Doochy | and it use 434224k ram! |
| 04:41.58 | Web52|Doochy | how can that be?? |
| 04:42.03 | helix | rahul: he isn't overmuscular. he has silicone man boobies |
| 04:42.05 | rahul | helix: with your own eggs? |
| 04:42.09 | calamari_ | okay! I've read the users guide which instructs me to type 'startx' tio load X (m |
| 04:42.13 | rahul | helix: yes, that's FAKE overmuscular |
| 04:42.14 | helix | rahul: hm, good point. they will be "egg replacer" |
| 04:42.20 | calamari_ | but it tells me no screens found |
| 04:42.21 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: that's linux, not debian. it will cache as much as it can |
| 04:42.22 | helix | real eggs are obviously not vegan |
| 04:42.31 | rahul | haha |
| 04:42.36 | bztunk | eggs are good |
| 04:42.46 | rahul | eggs are damn good. get it right. |
| 04:42.53 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: ? so nothink to use? |
| 04:42.58 | Web52|Doochy | do* |
| 04:43.09 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: it's completely normal. |
| 04:43.14 | Web52|Doochy | k |
| 04:43.23 | calamari_ | wish I had another pc so I could look at my cygwin x config files |
| 04:43.25 | helix | eggs are menstruation |
| 04:43.29 | helix | but that is neither here nor there.. |
| 04:43.37 | helix | maybe i can throw hummus at rahul.. |
| 04:43.38 | rahul | calamari_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. pay special attention to the question about using framebuffer. if you see a penguin icon at the top when you boot, you need to use framebuffer for mode switching. |
| 04:43.44 | rahul | mmmmm |
| 04:43.57 | rahul | helix: please do |
| 04:44.00 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: i got 2cpues in my server but i dont think it use both.. it lags when i host a counter-strike server it 2x1000mhz - do u know how to check up that? |
| 04:44.01 | calamari_ | rahul: I remembewr enabling framebuffer (specifically) |
| 04:44.09 | helix | "NO CHICKPEAS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS HUMMUS" |
| 04:44.22 | helix | calamari_: framebuffer is bad |
| 04:44.25 | cafuego | helix: How exactly would it be hommus then? |
| 04:44.28 | helix | !spank framebuffer |
| 04:44.37 | rahul | calamari_: well, read the log and see what's stopping it from finding a decent config to use. |
| 04:44.40 | helix | cafuego: ha.. chickpeas don't feel pain so they weren't really harmed :/ |
| 04:44.44 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: use top |
| 04:44.44 | rahul | framebuffer is good! |
| 04:44.54 | cafuego | helix: They were crushed and blended! |
| 04:45.00 | helix | cafuego: they liked it |
| 04:45.00 | Penix | what about the pain of being thrown at rahul? |
| 04:45.03 | rahul | helix: how do you know they don't feel pain, eh? |
| 04:45.03 | sgeigerbot | helix: man chickpeas |
| 04:45.12 | rahul | Penix: some consider that pleasure |
| 04:45.18 | helix | Penix: i am not worried about things like rahul |
| 04:45.18 | Penix | weirdos |
| 04:45.21 | rahul | you probably don't want to associate with those people, however |
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| 04:45.25 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: Cpu(s): 0.0% user -- there is nothink about it have connected 2 cpues |
| 04:45.37 | Penix | s/those people/bob2/ |
| 04:45.41 | helix | haha |
| 04:45.42 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: In 'top', hit 'I'. |
| 04:45.42 | rahul | indeed |
| 04:45.56 | Web52|Doochy | ehm then it show |
| 04:45.56 | Web52|Doochy | 4127 root 19 0 1000 1000 824 R 0.0 0.1 0:00.02 top |
| 04:45.56 | Web52|Doochy | :D |
| 04:45.58 | Web52|Doochy | ? |
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| 04:45.59 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: Unless you're on woody, in which case type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'. |
| 04:46.03 | rahul | Penix: and zoof on thursdays and saturdays |
| 04:46.05 | calamari_ | rahul: ok, where is the log kept? |
| 04:46.06 | helix | so predictable, these fools |
| 04:46.07 | Penix | sgeigerbot: must have a mighty big buffer |
| 04:46.11 | sgeigerbot | helix: yes |
| 04:46.11 | bztunk | cafuego: you'll have to rewrite this heh |
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| 04:46.12 | rahul | calamari_: /var/log |
| 04:46.19 | Web52|Doochy | cafuego |
| 04:46.21 | calamari_ | rahul: thanks |
| 04:46.24 | sgeigerbot | Penix: 115,000 lines |
| 04:46.27 | rahul | I like big buffers |
| 04:46.34 | cafuego | bztunk: ey? |
| 04:46.35 | helix | lame |
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| 04:46.41 | theWuN | what is the default name of the modems block device (is that what its called?) in /dev/ |
| 04:46.43 | bztunk | cafuego: nm |
| 04:46.45 | sgeigerbot | ~seen sgeigerbot |
| 04:46.46 | | sgeigerbot is currently on #debian (1d 12h 20m 4s). Has said a total of 256 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 04:46.47 | rahul | helix: --r3mix |
| 04:46.49 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: you're pasting crap again |
| 04:46.54 | Web52|Doochy | LoRez: sry |
| 04:46.58 | rahul | theWuN: um, a modem isn't a block device. |
| 04:46.59 | Penix | ~cluebat theWuN |
| 04:47.01 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps theWuN. |
| 04:47.01 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: There must be at least 5 lines of actual useful info in there! |
| 04:47.01 | helix | haha |
| 04:47.01 | Web52|Doochy | but I shows nothink |
| 04:47.09 | Web52|Doochy | and top says nothink about it have 2cpues running |
| 04:47.13 | theWuN | rahul: well, what is it? |
| 04:47.18 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: there's nothing using them |
| 04:47.20 | rahul | theWuN: it's a character device, and it could have ANY name depending on what the kernel puts it at. |
| 04:47.20 | RainbowW | where during the boot process is fstab mounted? i have two promise ide cards i want to mount at boot, but the module must load -after- the on-board controllers are initialized and mounted. |
| 04:47.23 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: Did you do the /proc/cpuinfo thing? |
| 04:47.34 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT PASTING THAT! |
| 04:47.35 | theWuN | rahul: oh, ok, thanks. Well, what could be a possible name? |
| 04:47.42 | Penix | RainbowW: what? fstab is a file. ide cards can't be mounted |
| 04:47.46 | rahul | theWuN: /dev/ttys/5 |
| 04:48.02 | paul | anyone know offhand the file (i think it's ~/.Xresource) which you store options for programs in? I would like to designate different colors for my terminals, which I have done in the past, i just forget the file to use |
| 04:48.03 | rahul | theWuN: better would be to do dmesg | grep tty |
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| 04:48.13 | theWuN | rahul: ok, thanks a lot |
| 04:48.19 | bztunk | hum |
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| 04:48.20 | calamari_ | rahul: the error line is No devices detected. |
| 04:48.23 | helix | .Xresources |
| 04:48.31 | rahul | paul: .Xdefaults |
| 04:48.34 | bztunk | for some reason, color ascii art = caca |
| 04:48.37 | rahul | hrm |
| 04:48.43 | Web52|Doochy | cafuego: cat /proc/cpuinfo works and it shows 2 cpues but looK: http://server1.web52.dk/phpsysinfo/index.php it only shows 1cpu |
| 04:48.44 | calamari_ | rahul: I have a geforce4 ti 4200.. maybe it's too new? |
| 04:48.44 | cafuego | paul: .Xresources, forget rahul. |
| 04:48.49 | Web52|Doochy | it havt count the mhz together |
| 04:48.50 | RainbowW | Penix: fstab describes partitions to be mounted and where. i the promise cards' module to load after root and /boot are mounted, because otherwise things get messed up. so i need to know where in the scripts it is. |
| 04:48.58 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: Well then the wep page is wrong, innit? |
| 04:48.59 | rahul | paul: check /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ to be sure |
| 04:49.10 | Penix | RainbowW: exactly. it's a file. it's never mounted. |
| 04:49.12 | rahul | calamari_: I dunno. what does the driver say when it loads up? |
| 04:49.30 | Web52|Doochy | cafuego: well it doesnt have to... because when i create a counter-strike server it lags... and the server is on 100mbit |
| 04:49.41 | RainbowW | Penix: My question is -- when are the drives it describes mounted? What script in the boot process? |
| 04:49.43 | Penix | RainbowW: why are you using modules for something like an ide controller anyway? |
| 04:49.44 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: if cpuinfo says 2 there are 2. End of story. |
| 04:49.56 | calamari_ | rahul: I'm not sure what to tell you for that |
| 04:49.59 | paul | rahul: the file "ok30xfree86-common_xresources" is present, .Xresources? |
| 04:50.00 | Web52|Doochy | is there any phpsysinfo channel? |
| 04:50.04 | rahul | RainbowW: mount*.sh |
| 04:50.10 | rahul | paul: look inside it |
| 04:50.16 | cafuego | Web52|Doochy: Besides, that web page says 2 as well. |
| 04:50.18 | rahul | calamari_: well, it says in the log... |
| 04:50.21 | simonrvn | Web52|Doochy: #php |
| 04:50.40 | RainbowW | Penix: Because the promise controllers contain drives that aren't required to boot, and if I compile the module into the kernel, the drives get reodered. So what in a normal box is /dev/hda, winds up at something like /dev/hdi, and can change depending on which card gets recognized first. Bad bad. |
| 04:50.59 | helix | bleh cron |
| 04:51.02 | paul | rahul: its all variableized |
| 04:51.05 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: still here? |
| 04:51.12 | paul | dpkg variableized? |
| 04:51.14 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: no :P |
| 04:51.17 | dpkg | no idea, paul |
| 04:51.22 | calamari_ | rahul: I see a bunch of stuff where it is scanning, BUs 0, bus 1, bus -1 then I see (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) NVidia unknown chipset (etc,, |
| 04:51.40 | cafuego | RainbowW: then fix your kernel to not boot the promise cards first |
| 04:51.48 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: that server should be running fine. |
| 04:51.51 | paul | dpkg variableized is when there are lots of variables in place of actual constants. |
| 04:51.51 | dpkg | okay, paul |
| 04:52.04 | catalyst | wow! great! tomorrow sid will come with xfree4.3.0 :) |
| 04:52.09 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: well its not |
| 04:52.09 | catalyst | good news |
| 04:52.11 | RainbowW | cafuego: Easiest way to do that is to not load their driver until after root is mounted, since they're not boot-critical. |
| 04:52.15 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: is it laggy? |
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| 04:52.17 | simonrvn | !forget variableized |
| 04:52.17 | dpkg | i forgot variableized, simonrvn |
| 04:52.23 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: ye |
| 04:52.23 | Penix | catalyst: yay! just in time for XFree86 4.4's release! |
| 04:52.29 | paul | simonrvn: :/ |
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| 04:52.35 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: laggy how? like every user has high ping or just you? |
| 04:52.38 | simonrvn | paul: spell it correctly at least :) |
| 04:52.40 | cafuego | RainbowW: Well, since you're having problems with it it's not quite 'easiest' I'd say. |
| 04:52.46 | rahul | paul: one of them is set somewhere :P |
| 04:52.47 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: every user 50+ |
| 04:52.50 | catalyst | Penix: 4.4? Already in experimental? |
| 04:52.50 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: I upgraded iwconfig, but loading the drivers for my card still doesn't cause iwconfig to show an interface with wireless extensions. I just noticed that my card doesn't cause beeps when it is inserted and removed. Is it possible that I have to upgrade something like hotplug? |
| 04:52.51 | simonrvn | paul: drop 'e' when adding a suffix |
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| 04:52.54 | paul | it's not even a word :P |
| 04:52.59 | rahul | calamari_: it gives a huge list |
| 04:53.00 | RainbowW | cafuego: I'm not having problems. I've just never done it before. :) |
| 04:53.01 | simonrvn | paul: it is now :) |
| 04:53.03 | Penix | catalyst: no. being released soon though |
| 04:53.05 | paul | wee |
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| 04:53.09 | cafuego | RainbowW: A normal kernel will see your on-board ide controller first, then the rest. |
| 04:53.11 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: there's only one right now. how long's it been a cs server? |
| 04:53.19 | rahul | simonrvn: not always, you two-timeing fool |
| 04:53.20 | calamari_ | rahul:` yes of memory ranges |
| 04:53.22 | paul | dpkg variablized is when there are lots of variables in place of actual constants. |
| 04:53.22 | dpkg | okay, paul |
| 04:53.23 | catalyst | Penix: anything new comparing 4.3? |
| 04:53.23 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: This is such a painful process--moving to 2.6.0 from 2.4.x. I wonder what you would do if you *had to* go back to 2.4.x... |
| 04:53.23 | mwilson | catalyst: Who says? |
| 04:53.26 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: i just got the server today |
| 04:53.27 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: hrm, maybe |
| 04:53.28 | rahul | calamari_: of card names |
| 04:53.35 | rahul | calamari_: that the nv driver supports |
| 04:53.36 | catalyst | mwilson: I said! :) |
| 04:53.41 | RainbowW | cafuego: That may be, but I've never been able to actually make it work that way. And yes, I unchecked "boot off-board chipsets first" |
| 04:53.43 | simonrvn | rahul: no not always, but usually you do |
| 04:53.44 | cafuego | RainbowW: Then you're fussing about nothing; your on-board will be hda-hdd unless you specifically tell the kernel to do it differently. |
| 04:53.52 | cafuego | RainbowW: Check the BIOS |
| 04:54.01 | calamari_ | rahul: it never let me choose that when I was setting up.. I chose nv, but it never let me choose further |
| 04:54.02 | simonrvn | stupid BIOS |
| 04:54.03 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: 50 isnt bad. give it time for people with lower latencies to gravitate to it |
| 04:54.11 | mwilson | catalyst: So in other words, it's not happening. |
| 04:54.11 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: anything else I might need to upgrade besides hotplug to get my wireless lan card to work with the modules that I have? (pcmcia-cs or something?) |
| 04:54.12 | rahul | stupid English |
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| 04:54.21 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, it's not painful with sid. I often switch back to test stuff. |
| 04:54.25 | Penix | simonrvn: silly pro-of apple users ;P |
| 04:54.27 | cafuego | stipod engrish |
| 04:54.27 | rahul | calamari_: uh... what? |
| 04:54.27 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: yeh, i'd try |
| 04:54.32 | simonrvn | Penix: hehe |
| 04:54.33 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, oh, wireless, nm |
| 04:54.39 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: 50 is bad 2000mhz... 1gb ram . 100mbit connection.... the users should have 20+ |
| 04:54.40 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: I'm running sid. |
| 04:54.43 | catalyst | mwilson: 4.3 in SID, not 4.4 |
| 04:54.45 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: its a public server, right? |
| 04:54.51 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: ye |
| 04:54.54 | rahul | calamari_: how can you not go further? |
| 04:54.55 | calamari_ | rahul: btw, dpkg-reconfigure isn't found as a program |
| 04:54.56 | Xenocide | then its the itnernet. |
| 04:54.57 | mwilson | catalyst: Who says 4.3 will be in unstable tomorrow? |
| 04:55.00 | Xenocide | 20+ is for lan |
| 04:55.00 | rahul | erm |
| 04:55.07 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, no speaky the wireless, senor |
| 04:55.09 | Xenocide | and its damn lucky. |
| 04:55.10 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: lol no! |
| 04:55.12 | rahul | calamari_: so you're not using debian, are you? |
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| 04:55.22 | calamari_ | rahul: I am using Debian 3.0 r2 |
| 04:55.25 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: how often do u play CS ? |
| 04:55.30 | catalyst | mwilson: to be more precise, 4.3 preX in sid tomorrow. |
| 04:55.33 | rahul | calamari_: then it is on your computer |
| 04:55.37 | Xenocide | web 52. i played it extensively up till steam |
| 04:55.38 | mwilson | catalyst: Not going to happen. |
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| 04:55.41 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: Take for instance a necessary upgrade for everyone moving to 2.6.0: modutils. If you can't downgrade the package, you are kind of out of luck if you want to go back to 2.4.x... |
| 04:55.41 | atm2 | Hi, I know that 's lame but what does "*.chm" stand for?? |
| 04:55.43 | calamari_ | rahul: I wanted Debian because it doesn't force KDE/Gnome on you :) |
| 04:55.48 | mwilson | catalyst: In experimental, maybe, but not in unstable. |
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| 04:55.50 | rahul | catalyst: I don't think they're calling it preX in unstable |
| 04:55.52 | catalyst | mwilson: hmm.... |
| 04:55.53 | atm2 | ... and can I uncompress it?? |
| 04:55.59 | rahul | calamari_: well, ok |
| 04:56.03 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: It's uncomfortable thinking about the problems that might occur. |
| 04:56.08 | rahul | mwilson: they're trying to get it into unstable |
| 04:56.10 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: try talking about it on efnet with some other cs server admins |
| 04:56.12 | catalyst | rahul: oh! I see. My mistake |
| 04:56.14 | calamari_ | rahul: I am not sure why I don't have that program.. dpkg runs |
| 04:56.19 | Web52|Doochy | Xenocide: chan |
| 04:56.21 | catalyst | too bad. |
| 04:56.23 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, naw. I have modultils and module-init-tools installed. I drop back to 2.4.x with no problem. |
| 04:56.30 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: well, #counter-strike for one |
| 04:56.35 | mwilson | rahul: Yes, I know this. But Branden isn't going to upload a -pre package to unstable. |
| 04:56.38 | rahul | but their upload got UNACCEPTed or something. |
| 04:56.51 | calamari_ | I didn't make any changes when setting up.. I used the simple setup and chose the package collections I wanted |
| 04:56.51 | atm2 | what does chm extension stand for?? |
| 04:56.52 | rahul | mwilson: well, the original question was about 4.3 :) |
| 04:56.54 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: and #cs, if its still around |
| 04:56.57 | ljlane | simonrvn, what's the ben3 part? |
| 04:57.05 | rahul | atm2: chime, maybe? anything at all, maybe? |
| 04:57.09 | mwilson | rahul: There's been no attempt to upload to unstable. |
| 04:57.20 | rahul | mwilson: there has, actually |
| 04:57.22 | mwilson | rahul: The latest upload to experimental went wonky, but that was all. |
| 04:57.42 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: ah...good. Hmmm..yeah, i did that, too, now that I think about it. I was having some unusual problems at one point, though--dropping back, that is. But that was caused by something else (which I never did figure out...) |
| 04:57.54 | rahul | mwilson: you can take it up with daniels if you believe that he was lying about that. no idea why he would. |
| 04:57.54 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: when we were playing CS games on the LAN in dorms, 20 MS was about how they ran. 50 is fine given the manner the internet works. |
| 04:58.05 | calamari_ | rahul: Would it help to run xf86config? 'r |
| 04:58.23 | rahul | calamari_: oy veh. |
| 04:58.46 | simonrvn | ljlane: 3rd iteration of benh's 2.6.0 kernel |
| 04:58.51 | mwilson | I have no idea if he's lying or not, not being there for the conversation. I only know what I read on d-x. |
| 04:58.52 | simonrvn | tree |
| 04:58.57 | rahul | it would help about as much as a lead pipe enema would help your 'roids. |
| 04:59.24 | rahul | mwilson: unstable isn't experimental... |
| 04:59.34 | rahul | mwilson: if that's what you're referring to |
| 04:59.34 | calamari_ | ok, I was in a user account, my apologies.. dpkg-reconfigure runs as root only |
| 04:59.44 | rahul | !lart calamari_ |
| 04:59.47 | rahul | !eat calamari_ |
| 04:59.54 | rahul | doh |
| 04:59.57 | Penix | heh |
| 05:00.03 | rahul | Penix: stfu |
| 05:00.05 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 05:00.08 | Penix | :P |
| 05:00.13 | calamari_ | I chose nv, but it doesn't let me choose any further.. now it skips to naming my video card |
| 05:00.23 | rahul | calamari_: huh? |
| 05:00.29 | rahul | what any further? |
| 05:00.33 | simonrvn | calamari_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow foo |
| 05:00.34 | cafuego | calamari_: That's what's next, it isn't skipping. |
| 05:00.51 | rahul | calamari_: have you been stealing my crack? |
| 05:00.58 | simonrvn | though caf's right |
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| 05:01.34 | ljlane | simonrvn: ah, PPC stuff |
| 05:01.35 | atm2 | ls |
| 05:01.43 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:01.43 | mwilson | rahul: I know the difference, yes. |
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| 05:02.50 | ljlane | atm2, file not found |
| 05:02.50 | atm2 | I got a CD with books. I see a rar file so I unrar it, then I receive z zip file so I unzip it to get a chm file, and what to do with it?? |
| 05:03.17 | mwilson | use xchm and read it |
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| 05:03.33 | mwilson | And next time don't be QUITE such a blatant pirate. |
| 05:03.33 | atm2 | ljlane: ;) bad termial |
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| 05:03.48 | calamari_ | rahul: okay I'm to the framebuffer question, I should say Yes I want the framebuffer, correct? |
| 05:04.07 | ljlane | atm2, from a quick googling, .chm appears to be the windows help file format |
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| 05:04.12 | rahul | calamari_: you should answer all questions correctly. |
| 05:04.22 | rahul | atm2: man file |
| 05:04.33 | rahul | atm2: or apt-get install file |
| 05:04.36 | atm2 | rahul: how to open the file?? |
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| 05:04.54 | rahul | atm2: first find out what it REALLY is |
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| 05:05.07 | calamari_ | rahul:I am sorry if I angered you.. I was hoping things would work without tweaking |
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| 05:05.09 | mwilson | ljlane: It's also common for pirated books to be distributed that way. |
| 05:05.20 | ljlane | html based |
| 05:05.28 | nictuku | does kernel.org provides an uncompressed source to rsync? or should i rsync <oldversion.tar.gz> <new.tar.gz>? does rsync works well with compressed files? |
| 05:05.42 | atm2 | mwilson: How to open the book? |
| 05:06.11 | RainbowW | nictuku: rsync works fine with compressed files. get the bz2 version, it's smaller. |
| 05:06.46 | nictuku | RainbowW: ok. yep I will. actually my current version is bz2. thank you. |
| 05:06.52 | xuelinz | hi, when i want to install kernel 2.4.22 in woody, but depends initrd-tools (>= 0.1.32woody.5). But only 0.1.32woody.3 in the pool. Can i build the kernel myself? |
| 05:07.29 | atm2 | rahul: ljlane: OK, file says it 's a Win data. What can I do with it under debian?? |
| 05:07.31 | paul | rahul: not to bother you, but to get me back on the right track, could you paste a line (if you have one set) from your .Xresources file pertaining to maybe an xterm, or aterm etc. resource? ie: xterm color 3 should be foo, how does the .Xresource line read? |
| 05:07.35 | nictuku | RainbowW: could you point me to the usual parameters? -avz only? |
| 05:07.49 | rahul | calamari_: you didn't anger me. you are just asking questions no one but yourself can answer. |
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| 05:08.04 | rahul | atm2: win data? *boggle* |
| 05:08.05 | RainbowW | nictuku: What's the point of this exercise? The filename changes with every release. |
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| 05:08.26 | atm2 | rahul: answer my question or get lost ;) |
| 05:08.30 | Vicious | chm is a windows help file |
| 05:08.34 | rahul | paul: locate xdefaults |
| 05:08.46 | rahul | er |
| 05:08.55 | atm2 | Vicius: OK, what can I do with it under debian?? |
| 05:09.09 | RainbowW | nictuku: Also, I'm no compression expert and bzip2 may do it differently, but some compression protocols make things completely different if you change a single character at the beginning, so rsync would be pointless if you're trying to not re-download unchanged source files. |
| 05:09.16 | rahul | where did they go? |
| 05:09.21 | Vicious | atm2: dunno, but mwilson said use xchm |
| 05:09.56 | Vicious | atm2: although i can't find it using apt-cache |
| 05:10.02 | nictuku | RainbowW: that's why I asked if there is a uncompressed source somewhere. |
| 05:10.11 | atm2 | Visious: apt-get.org |
| 05:10.26 | paul | rahul: perfect, thank you.. now i'm getting somewhere |
| 05:10.33 | calamari_ | rahul: okay, I went thru the reconfigure, and it is at the same point. Is there some kind of X HOWTO that can guide me thru configuring the XF86Config file myself? |
| 05:10.36 | mwilson | grrr |
| 05:10.36 | Vicious | uh yeah, you go do that :P, i don't need it |
| 05:10.39 | rahul | paul: that helped? |
| 05:10.46 | RainbowW | nictuku: Only place I can think of would be Linus's Bitkeeper tree, but I dunno if that's accessable to the public. |
| 05:11.09 | xuelinz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.10 | RainbowW | nictuku: Again, what's the point? It's not like there's a kernel release every day. |
| 05:11.14 | xuelinz | ls |
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| 05:11.23 | rahul | calamari_: http://xfree.org/4.2.1/ |
| 05:11.40 | paul | rahul: nod, "locate Xresource" pulled up some files I'll use as examples |
| 05:11.48 | Anarion | is there a way to tell dhclient not to update /etc/resolv.conf on startup? so that i can just leave the machine itself as its dnsserver and not the ones of my isp? |
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| 05:11.58 | mwilson | paul: Are you STILL screwing with that? You want an xterm resource file? You have one in /etc/X11.app-defaults |
| 05:12.05 | rahul | maybe I don't have any old-school X apps installed any more |
| 05:12.11 | rahul | ah, app-defaults! |
| 05:12.15 | mwilson | Anarion: If you actually bother to read the man page, then you will know. |
| 05:12.18 | lepton | Anarion: yes |
| 05:12.32 | rahul | jackpot |
| 05:12.34 | nictuku | RainbowW: I am on dialup and I would like to get as less bytes as possible. Using rsync from a uncompressed tree (as referenced in http://penguinppc.org/dev/kernel.shtml) I could spare some time. |
| 05:12.36 | Anarion | man page of dhclient? |
| 05:12.42 | mwilson | paul: Or I can give you mine, I suppose... but it's not like there's not endless examples of Xresources files on the net. |
| 05:12.57 | Penix | nictuku: ever heard of a patch? |
| 05:12.59 | rahul | Anarion: no, the man page of xfsdump |
| 05:13.04 | mwilson | lol |
| 05:13.05 | Web52|Doochy | A program to se the cpu load? a console one... |
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| 05:13.14 | mwilson | Web52|Doochy: w |
| 05:13.15 | paul | mwilson: heh, send it |
| 05:13.26 | nevyn | uptime? |
| 05:13.28 | Web52|Doochy | no |
| 05:13.36 | Web52|Doochy | mwilson: dooh how much its using of the mhz |
| 05:13.38 | Web52|Doochy | and so on |
| 05:13.38 | mwilson | paul: http://members.cox.net/msw |
| 05:13.44 | Penix | wtf |
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| 05:13.50 | samlander | greetings |
| 05:13.51 | rahul | "of the mhz"? |
| 05:13.54 | Penix | heh |
| 05:13.57 | mwilson | Web52|Doochy: In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about and no idea of what you're looking for. |
| 05:13.57 | Web52|Doochy | Status of the cpu |
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| 05:14.03 | RainbowW | grrr ... /me fires off ln -la /usr /user ... |
| 05:14.11 | Penix | Mozilla is using too MucH of MY mHz!! |
| 05:14.12 | Web52|Doochy | A PROGRAM THERE SHOWS THE STATUS OF THE CPU |
| 05:14.15 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: you might try top |
| 05:14.17 | Web52|Doochy | no just load average |
| 05:14.30 | Xenocide | but dont explode there |
| 05:14.36 | rahul | that there whatnot? |
| 05:14.41 | samlander | apt-get install cpuinfo |
| 05:15.01 | Anarion | well there's nothing written about resolv.conf or dns |
| 05:15.11 | cafuego | Penix: Downclock the mahcine so it uses less mhz. |
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| 05:15.26 | paul | mwilson: thanks |
| 05:15.28 | samlander | does anybody know of a bbs software capable of running majormud that will run in deb? |
| 05:15.28 | atm2 | How to make mc always run xchm when I click chm file?? |
| 05:15.31 | ljlane | Web52|Doochy, what sort of status information do you need? |
| 05:15.32 | rahul | Web52|Doochy: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power |
| 05:15.43 | Web52|Doochy | ascpu - This is an AfterStep look & feel CPU statistics monitor tool. |
| 05:15.46 | Web52|Doochy | what is so hard |
| 05:15.49 | Penix | cafuego: how do I do taht??? can I use my game pad?! |
| 05:15.49 | Web52|Doochy | to cay ascpu? |
| 05:15.50 | lepton | Anarion: you could just look at your (assumed default) /etc/dhclient.conf. |
| 05:16.07 | Penix | Web52|Doochy: because it's for X |
| 05:16.10 | cafuego | Penix: Yes, forcefully introduce the gamepad to the cpu several times. |
| 05:16.14 | rahul | Web52|Doochy: why would we mention an app we never heard of? |
| 05:16.14 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: well if you figured out what you were looking for, why'd you get all abusive if you could do it yourself? |
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| 05:16.23 | mwilson | atm2: You mean other than actually learning how to set midnight commander up? |
| 05:16.43 | Xenocide | Web52|Doochy: plus, that app is not console based. as you specified |
| 05:16.46 | rahul | Xenocide: because he's the usual holier-than-thou newbie, I suppose. |
| 05:16.47 | jax | hey, Im having an odd issue with a samba server running on Debian. About every month or so, it decides to go and make the samba passwords useless. No one from the windows machines can log in - I looked at all the cron jobs and just dont see the problem. Anyone else run into this? |
| 05:16.49 | Anarion | ou yeah that's it thanks |
| 05:16.49 | Anarion | *g* |
| 05:16.58 | lepton | Anarion: and have a look at 'man dhclient.conf' |
| 05:17.07 | cafuego | yay it cooled down! |
| 05:17.10 | RainbowW | nictuku: Uh, that web page has instructions on the rsync command. Waaaay down at the bottom. Why not use it? |
| 05:17.12 | Aquarina | hi, is there a way for the system to load the usb drivers automaticaly as I plug in an usb device? |
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| 05:17.20 | nictuku | what is the patch-2.6.0 relative to? test11? |
| 05:17.22 | mwilson | Aquarina: hotplug |
| 05:17.23 | cafuego | Aquarina: apt-get install hotplug |
| 05:17.34 | rahul | mmm hotplug |
| 05:17.35 | Aquarina | ok |
| 05:17.38 | Aquarina | tks |
| 05:17.49 | nictuku | RainbowW: because i need an uncompessed source tree for that. nevermind, i am getting patches. thank you |
| 05:17.53 | atm2 | mwilson: Midnight Commander does nothing when I click on file with chm extension, so how to make it run xchm with there is a chm file?? |
| 05:17.57 | samlander | nobody knows about debian bbs software? |
| 05:18.04 | Vladkao | atm2 man mc |
| 05:18.12 | rahul | cafuego: thanks, I needed that |
| 05:18.17 | cafuego | samlander: Well, the way I've always seen it a BBS and a Mud were 2 different things. |
| 05:18.18 | Penix | my plug is pretty cold. should I buy a new one? |
| 05:18.23 | mwilson | atm2: You actually bother to learn how to set midnight commander up. |
| 05:18.28 | cafuego | pnah, just move to melbourne. |
| 05:18.30 | atm2 | Vladko: thx very helpful, full profesionalism ;) |
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| 05:18.33 | rahul | cafuego: play with it some more, please. I'm just getting started. |
| 05:18.40 | RainbowW | nictuku: You actually do not. With the right switches (read the man page), rsync will download the entire tree for you. |
| 05:18.40 | Penix | I said it's cold, not lacking rat-shit weather |
| 05:18.41 | samlander | cafuego: aye, they are, but i need one that supports the other ;) |
| 05:18.50 | cafuego | Penix: rat shit? |
| 05:18.54 | Vladkao | atm2 any time |
| 05:19.05 | cafuego | samlander: nothing a spot of execve() can't fix |
| 05:19.07 | rahul | Penix: it rains rat shit in melbourne? |
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| 05:19.20 | Penix | rahul: probably. ever seen the yarra river's contents? |
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| 05:19.27 | samlander | execve() ? |
| 05:19.32 | samlander | what does that do? |
| 05:19.34 | cafuego | Penix: hey, there ARE live animals in there. |
| 05:19.37 | rahul | Penix: never been down under before |
| 05:19.40 | cafuego | samlander: executes an application in C code |
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| 05:19.48 | nictuku | RainbowW: sure it will. -avz will. but then again, I need a rsync server with the uncompressed tree. Anyway, let me read the man again... |
| 05:19.57 | cafuego | Penix: I swear I saw a live eel in the yarra 2 weeks ago. |
| 05:20.00 | Penix | cafuego: ah. forgot about the three eyed yarra pike |
| 05:20.04 | samlander | cafuego: ah! a realtime c compiler/executor |
| 05:20.06 | rahul | cafuego: actually, in unix. it's a syscall, too. |
| 05:20.07 | samlander | cafuego: cool |
| 05:20.19 | cafuego | samlander: No, you can add an option to $BBS_SOFTWARE to execute a mud client |
| 05:20.24 | rahul | samlander: nah, C is too "new" to have those kinds of features. |
| 05:20.41 | samlander | oh |
| 05:20.43 | samlander | crap |
| 05:20.46 | rahul | the cool kids shunned those kinds of things in the late 70s |
| 05:20.55 | samlander | i just need an easy to admin bbs that is able to run majormudd mods |
| 05:20.56 | samlander | ;) |
| 05:21.03 | lepton | a sushi chef told me eels can live for 6 mos wrapped in a wet cloth |
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| 05:21.22 | cafuego | lepton: Sure.. and then he tried to sell you "fresh eel" eh? |
| 05:21.26 | Penix | hehe |
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| 05:21.55 | rahul | lepton: hmmm... maybe cafuego can try using that on my hotplug |
| 05:22.03 | lepton | cafuego: it wasn't the best pitch for the eel ... |
| 05:22.22 | rahul | I don't think the eel was the one with the money |
| 05:22.39 | rahul | but you're the one who was there, so correct me if I'm wrong :P |
| 05:23.10 | xuelinz | hi, does anyone have installed kernel 2.4.22 in woody with offical package? |
| 05:23.43 | calamari_ | rahul: thanks for your help |
| 05:23.45 | calamari_ | bbl |
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| 05:24.50 | xuelinz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.12 | rahul | chrooting from inside an irc client. *boggle* |
| 05:25.20 | Penix | why would there be an "official" 2.4.22 image for woody? |
| 05:25.20 | rahul | what will these kids thing of next? |
| 05:25.34 | Penix | irssi-httpd perhaps? |
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| 05:27.54 | rahul | Penix: somebody's gotta appease the ones who want to be told what to want. |
| 05:27.55 | bztunk | irssi-emacs |
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| 05:28.02 | rahul | bztunk: too late. |
| 05:28.12 | rahul | emacs already has 2 irc clients |
| 05:28.17 | bztunk | yeah i know |
| 05:28.21 | RainbowW | My god, why? |
| 05:28.22 | lepton | only two? |
| 05:28.31 | bztunk | but i want emacs in irssi, not irssi in emacs |
| 05:28.53 | RainbowW | Is it possible to run gnome under emacs yet? Jeez ... |
| 05:28.53 | LoneIguana | whenever I try to install something with apt-get I get the error message |
| 05:28.53 | LoneIguana | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 05:28.53 | LoneIguana | I ran memtest 86 and no errors were found |
| 05:28.56 | rahul | RainbowW: same reason why you'd write an irc client for gtk |
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| 05:29.12 | kjs3 | lepton: They could only find two grad students stoned enough to do their masters thesis on writing elisp for irc. |
| 05:29.17 | rahul | RainbowW: you can't "run gnome" by definition |
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| 05:29.27 | RainbowW | rahul: You missed my point. |
| 05:29.28 | bztunk | rahul: the reason is... because you have nothing else to do? |
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| 05:29.41 | rahul | RainbowW: but you can run apps from eshell. |
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| 05:30.03 | calamari_ | The version of xfree86 that comes with 3.0r2 is 4.1.0.1 from Dec 2001. I need to upgrade this to the latest version. How can I do this using apt-get? |
| 05:30.16 | rahul | bztunk: I'm sure that's what the developers of irssi were thinking when they wrote it, too... |
| 05:30.28 | RainbowW | calamari_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, like always |
| 05:30.30 | rahul | bztunk: emacs is just a UI toolkit. |
| 05:30.36 | mwilson | calamari_: You don't. |
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| 05:30.52 | RainbowW | calamari_: beware that more doesn't get broken when you do this. |
| 05:30.53 | xuelinz | kernel (2.4.22-2woody.2) depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.32woody.5, but the initrd-tools in the debian pool is 0.1.32woody.3. |
| 05:31.00 | rahul | bztunk: it has a somewhat peculiar windowing model, but then again, so do most toolkits |
| 05:31.17 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 05:31.28 | calamari_ | rainbow: well it is 2 years older than my video card.. I have to upgrade :) |
| 05:31.31 | bztunk | rahul: I don't understand what's so hot about emacs anyways. I love vim :D |
| 05:31.56 | rahul | bztunk: it's an infinitely extendable environment |
| 05:32.13 | bztunk | rahul: of course, but still |
| 05:32.13 | McQuaid | i want to keep vsync on for my nvidia card, i had it in my .bashrc which worked fine but now since i installed kdm .bashrc doesn't seem to be read |
| 05:32.16 | rahul | bztunk: you can write apps for it, and they can all share their data with each other. |
| 05:32.24 | McQuaid | is there somewhere else i should put it? |
| 05:32.29 | cafuego | McQuaid: .bash_profile |
| 05:32.31 | RainbowW | calamari_: you can use apt to upgrade from woody to, say, sid. but much more than X is likely to get messed with. To see ... update sources.list, do an apt-get update, and do an apt-get dist-upgrade to see all the packages it'll change. You'll still get the chance to abort before it actually does anything. |
| 05:32.37 | rahul | bztunk: your editor can share data with your calendar and your mail reader. |
| 05:32.48 | paul | mwilson: can i use a copy of your .bashrc (the prompt part) |
| 05:32.51 | rahul | bztunk: your code editor can interact with the compiler directly. |
| 05:32.57 | RainbowW | calamari_: When I went from woody to sid on my most recent install, I think it did -not- modify ... uh ... one package, maybe? |
| 05:33.00 | McQuaid | pretty sure i tried that but i'll check |
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| 05:33.24 | rahul | bztunk: you can write an IDE for all possible languages. |
| 05:33.26 | McQuaid | also i want gdesklets to start once icewm is loaded. where do I put actual programs to start? |
| 05:33.28 | calamari_ | rainboww: so I'm better off just downloading a different distro? |
| 05:33.35 | mwilson | paul: Did I put that up there too? |
| 05:33.36 | rahul | bztunk: using all possible compilers and all possible debuggers. |
| 05:33.37 | cafuego | McQuaid: .xsession |
| 05:33.39 | LoneIguana | whenever I try to install something with apt-get I get the error message |
| 05:33.39 | LoneIguana | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 05:33.39 | LoneIguana | I ran memtest 86 and no errors were found |
| 05:33.47 | bztunk | rahul: ok, ok heh :D |
| 05:33.58 | paul | mwilson: no, but i can see your prompt in your screenshot, and it sure is perty.. |
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| 05:34.13 | calamari_ | rainboww: which would you recommend? I was hoping to stay stable, yet support recent hardware |
| 05:34.20 | RainbowW | calamari_: Not at all. sid will do what you want, but you should be aware of the risks. it's not "unstable" for nothing. "stable" in debian frequently also means "really really old", and you should evaulate the risks. |
| 05:34.21 | bztunk | paul: what screenshot? |
| 05:34.23 | McQuaid | yeah i tried gdesklets in .xsession |
| 05:34.25 | rahul | bztunk: the editor comes for free, but you have to provide the rest, tho. the point is that you actually CAN do it in emacs. not to say that the FSF emacs is at all a decent emacs. |
| 05:34.53 | mwilson | paul: It's a pretty weird bashrc, but you can have it if you like. |
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| 05:35.00 | RainbowW | calamari_: For the most part, in my experience, sid is okay -most- of the time. There will, however, be burps and gasps and other assorted problems from time to time. USUALLY they won't bring your machine to a screeching halt, but you get what you pay for. |
| 05:35.14 | rahul | RainbowW: why are you telling him to skip a release? |
| 05:35.14 | bztunk | mwilson: what's so special about your bash prompt? |
| 05:35.15 | paul | bztunk: mwilson's desktop, http://members.cox.net/msw/images/screenshot_tn.png |
| 05:35.18 | RainbowW | calamari_: Which doesn't mean that a commercial distribution will be any better. |
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| 05:35.29 | McQuaid | well i put them there i'll restart x and see if that works |
| 05:35.46 | paul | bztunk: it's special because it's nicer than my standard one. |
| 05:35.50 | RainbowW | rahul: Why? I'm suggesting he evaluate the risks and benefits. |
| 05:35.51 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss12291948.png |
| 05:35.52 | bztunk | paul: haha ok |
| 05:35.56 | mwilson | paul: That's a current one. |
| 05:36.06 | rahul | RainbowW: of doing something that's completely unnecessary? |
| 05:36.18 | paul | mwilson: did you dcc it? |
| 05:36.24 | RainbowW | rahul: There are lots of ways to go about things. |
| 05:36.26 | LoneIguana | any ideas on my dpkg problem? |
| 05:36.38 | mwilson | paul: I will in a moment |
| 05:36.44 | RainbowW | calamari_: Depending on the version of X you have installed, you may be able to drop in a driver for your card if it's been backported. |
| 05:36.52 | calamari_ | rainboww: right.. the problem I have with other distros is that they force KDE/Gnome on me. I'd rather just use a simple window manager, and Debian also seems to be the one hailed as stable and secure |
| 05:36.53 | rahul | RainbowW: and many of those ways are the worst possible advice you can give someone |
| 05:37.21 | rahul | RainbowW: there are a million and a half ways he should try before going all the way to unstable. |
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| 05:37.35 | paul | bztunk: basically, I lost my last box with Debian on it, and it's been about 2 years since i've mucked around in it, so i'm trying to get familiarized again |
| 05:37.46 | rahul | in fact, going to unstable will provide him only with more problems than any other way. |
| 05:37.56 | RainbowW | rahul: Considering how clearly we've defined the problem, no solution is as better than any other. We do not know, for example, exactly which card he might have. It might not be supported at all. |
| 05:37.56 | paul | mwilson: sorry, ~/dcc wasn't created yet, is now, try again? |
| 05:37.56 | Kawfee | I like unstable. |
| 05:38.05 | rahul | RainbowW: speak for yourself. |
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| 05:38.18 | RainbowW | I use sid myself, but I also understand that there are risks involved in so doing. |
| 05:38.23 | calamari_ | RainbowW: I have an Nvidia Geforce4 Ti4200 agp card |
| 05:38.31 | tulisuli | i just love mc *g* |
| 05:38.32 | rahul | RainbowW: even then, your suggestion is the worst advice you probably know of |
| 05:38.55 | paul | calamari_: me too, what's wrong? |
| 05:39.14 | mwilson | brb |
| 05:39.25 | calamari_ | paul: startx / xinit tell me no screens found |
| 05:39.40 | RainbowW | rahul: When you rule the universe, I'll consider your blathering about how stupid I am. Meantime, I'm going to go read mail. |
| 05:39.47 | calamari_ | paul: I didn't choose a desktop environment, but I don't want one |
| 05:39.52 | Orhad2 | mwilson what desktop is that ? |
| 05:40.05 | rahul | RainbowW: you mean you only listen to advice from people who rule the universe? |
| 05:40.12 | rahul | talk about bull-headed. |
| 05:40.14 | ponds | is it smart to apt-get sysvinit or sysv-rc? i realize that they're in there, but whats the chance of it making my system unstable/unusable? |
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| 05:40.30 | rahul | ponds: you already have sysvinit |
| 05:40.35 | calamari_ | ./p |
| 05:40.45 | CSMan | hey ppl, how can i know what encoding i am currently using in a shell? |
| 05:40.45 | paul | ooh, the geforce is on my other box.. i hate to say this right now, but the way i fixed it was moving to a newer kernel and then downloading the drivers from nvidia |
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| 05:41.26 | McQuaid | no that didn't work for either of them |
| 05:41.46 | ponds | rahul: im just wondering if i didnt |
| 05:41.55 | calamari_ | paul: did you compile the kernel yourself, or was that part of a Debian distro? |
| 05:42.17 | McQuaid | any other ideas of how i can make sure an env variable is executed? |
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| 05:42.30 | RainbowW | calamari_: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-5328 |
| 05:42.50 | Matthew_1 | can you access a template from any package with bootsplash? |
| 05:43.00 | lepton | McQuaid: env vars are not "executed" |
| 05:43.12 | McQuaid | ok envoked |
| 05:43.13 | rahul | paul: those drivers are already in debian |
| 05:43.22 | McQuaid | or whatever term is appropriate |
| 05:43.27 | ljlane | set |
| 05:43.35 | lepton | McQuaid: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:43.41 | ljlane | exported |
| 05:43.51 | rahul | RainbowW: are you that intent on messing up his system? |
| 05:43.56 | Matthew_1 | Sorry, can you access a debconf template from any package's config scripts? |
| 05:44.16 | mwilson | paul: See what I mean about it being weird? |
| 05:44.25 | McQuaid | i want vsync enabled for my nvidia card. it worked when i put it in my bashrc file but since installing kdm it now only works when i launch opengl apps from xterm not from a shortcut within icewm |
| 05:44.40 | McQuaid | whereas before installing kdm it worked from an xterm or shortcut |
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| 05:45.23 | McQuaid | and i want to launch gdesklets on startup, i put it in .xsession but that didn't work |
| 05:45.25 | mwilson | McQuaid: Well, yeah, how else did you expect it to work? |
| 05:46.05 | McQuaid | well it would be nice if i launch an app from a desktop shortcut/menu and have vsync on regardless of how i launch an opengl app/game |
| 05:46.10 | RainbowW | rahul: Under ordinary circumstances I might go search packages.debian.org to see if appropriate packages are in woody. However, a) packages remains down, despite your huffing; b) I don't have a package list for woody handy myself; and c) the ones in sid are at least one release old anyway, judging by the build numbers. Given that his card may or may not work with sid's build, and given that sid's build may not work at all in t |
| 05:46.14 | McQuaid | and as i mentioned it did this prior to installing kdm |
| 05:46.22 | RainbowW | rahul: ... it's REASONABLE TO LOOK AT THE DRIVERS AND READ THE FUCKING INSTRUCTIONS. |
| 05:47.06 | mwilson | McQuaid: Yes, and your point is? You changed the X startup. Your bashrc file is no longer being read, thus the variables you set are, well, no longer being set. All as documented. |
| 05:47.07 | Xenocide | McQuaid: if you want vsync on all the time, there are several folks in #nvidia that can help when they're awake |
| 05:47.09 | lepton | McQuaid: write a wrapper script that sets the var(s) and then exec's the app. make the icewm menu thing call the script |
| 05:47.41 | McQuaid | i wrote a script but some other apps didn't seem to like it |
| 05:48.21 | McQuaid | for example, i play quake3, and i use xqf (game browser) to choose servers, but it couldn't connect properly to the server when indicating it to use my script instead of the bin |
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| 05:49.07 | mwilson | Well, then correct your script. |
| 05:49.13 | lepton | McQuaid: well maybe icewm or kde have a way to set env vars (.kdeinit?) |
| 05:49.19 | mwilson | paul: Hey, are you ever going to ack this DCC? |
| 05:49.22 | Xenocide | McQuaid: the nvidia READMEs, while long, have a section on configuring things like vsync |
| 05:49.22 | calamari_ | rainbow: thanks for your help.. I tried the nvidia drivers, but it can't find a precompiled kernel interface to match my kernel |
| 05:49.27 | cafuego | http://www.cafuego.net/ss/20031230.164532.png |
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| 05:49.45 | McQuaid | yes they do, and thats where i got the correct env variable, and it just says to put it in .bashrc |
| 05:49.52 | calamari_ | rainbow: I think your suggestion to go to a newer Debian distro makes sense |
| 05:49.56 | paul | mwilson: sorry, had someone at the front door |
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| 05:50.08 | mwilson | cafuego: host not found |
| 05:50.13 | RainbowW | calamari_: A custom-compiled kernel isn't the end of the universe, despite rahul's protestations to the contrary. |
| 05:50.25 | mwilson | cafuego: Ah, there we go. |
| 05:50.28 | paul | calamari_: compiled it myself |
| 05:50.29 | cafuego | mwilson: That's very naughty |
| 05:50.36 | McQuaid | but i'll ask in #nvidia again and see if someone can help |
| 05:50.49 | calamari_ | rainbowW: except that I've never successfully compiled a kernel, despite trying many many times :) |
| 05:50.51 | mwilson | YOU use openbox? |
| 05:50.56 | cafuego | ah, there's my lag |
| 05:51.01 | Xenocide | nvidia drivers dont build right unless you have an environment variable IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH set to 1 |
| 05:51.01 | fpmc | Hi, I downloaded the newest driver from NVidia for my GeForce 4. I tried to use the instruction, which is "sh Nvi....pkg1.run", but it says that my header files are not installed. I installed the kernel-source and kernel-header packages, but still it doesnt' help. Can anyone help me? |
| 05:51.02 | cafuego | mwilson: No, I don't. |
| 05:51.11 | RainbowW | calamari_: Why? make menuconfig is your friend. |
| 05:51.12 | mwilson | That looks like an openbox theme. |
| 05:51.29 | cafuego | mwilson: KDE with the 'Laptop' theme. |
| 05:51.46 | calamari_ | rainbow: I wish I could tell you.. I read all the docs and still produced unusuable kernels.. I can try again tho, what the heck :) |
| 05:52.00 | Justin_ | fpmc: there are no "kernel-source" and "kernel-header" packages |
| 05:52.00 | chris` | mwilson: is that fspanel you're using? |
| 05:52.02 | McQuaid | 2.6 is nice btw |
| 05:52.06 | lepton | McQuaid: when you choose a menu item from icewm, your .bashrc does not get involved unless it exec's a bash shell |
| 05:52.13 | Xenocide | fpmc: did you build your own kernel? |
| 05:52.15 | fpmc | Justin_ I think so, I just installed them... |
| 05:52.18 | fpmc | Xenocide: no |
| 05:52.20 | mwilson | chris`: Yeah, with xor's patches and then Mikachu's on top of those. |
| 05:52.33 | paul | mwilson: hmm, i have a file "bashrc" which is empty |
| 05:52.34 | McQuaid | hmm, but it used to be envoked prior to installing kdm |
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| 05:52.40 | RainbowW | calamari_: In /boot you may find a file called, like, say, config-2.4.18-bf2.4. This file is the .config for its matching kernel, which means that this .config actually works on your system. Drop it in, make menuconfig and start from there. |
| 05:52.41 | fpmc | Xenocide: The Nvidia website mentioned something about kernel interface, but I don't think it's the entire kernel |
| 05:52.46 | cafuego | mwilson: You running a G400, aren't you? |
| 05:52.49 | mwilson | paul: According to my end, you haven't ack-ed the DCC |
| 05:52.56 | Justin_ | fpmc: no you didn't |
| 05:53.07 | mwilson | cafuego: I was in the past... then a 450, then a 550, which is now on the shelf. |
| 05:53.09 | fpmc | Justin_ ... let me check |
| 05:53.15 | mwilson | cafuego: This is a pair of GF4's |
| 05:53.15 | chris` | mwilson: where can I find these patches? |
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| 05:53.26 | cafuego | hmm, eww. |
| 05:53.26 | ponds | sysv style init scripts are supposed to live in /etc not /etc/rc.d/ right? |
| 05:53.36 | paul | mwilson: dcc autoget is on, using bitchx |
| 05:53.43 | ponds | err, there are multiple folders in /etc i mean |
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| 05:53.53 | mwilson | paul: Wanting to use BX is your problem, not mine. |
| 05:53.57 | calamari_ | rainbow: I see config-2.2.20-idepci |
| 05:54.05 | paul | mwilson: i know, i need ircii |
| 05:54.24 | RainbowW | calamari_: and when you do uname -a, you get what? |
| 05:54.28 | stnick | hey there. has anyone else had trouble with the recent update of foomatic-filters hangin at the "Setting up" stage? |
| 05:54.29 | mwilson | chris`: AFAIK, most of what xor did to it is in the beta patch you can get off the fspanel web site. |
| 05:54.38 | mwilson | chris`: That makes it use xft, etc. |
| 05:54.44 | paul | any favorite ircii themes? |
| 05:54.51 | fpmc | Justin_: the packages' names are kernel-source-2.4.18 and kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-k7, I found them in dselect |
| 05:54.52 | mwilson | ircii doesn't have themes. |
| 05:54.56 | chris` | mwilson: interesting, I'll go take a look |
| 05:55.06 | calamari_ | rainbow: Linux amd1-4 2.2.20-idepci #1 (...) i686 unknown |
| 05:55.13 | Xenocide | fpmc: what is the version of the kernel you are running? |
| 05:55.16 | Xenocide | right now |
| 05:55.21 | fpmc | 2.4.18 |
| 05:55.25 | fpmc | from uname -r |
| 05:55.26 | Xenocide | k7? |
| 05:55.29 | ponds | also, what package does commands such as shutdown and reboot reside in? |
| 05:55.33 | paul | hmm |
| 05:55.37 | mwilson | chris`: Mikachu's stuff is just little tweaks. He sent me fspanel.c and I diffed it against the one I had and implemented what he'd done that I liked and ignored what I didn't like. |
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| 05:56.06 | calamari_ | rainbow: I should get a newer kernel, shouldn't I? (is 2.4.18 a stable 2.4 kernel?) |
| 05:56.06 | fpmc | Xenocide: I installed the k7 header version because I have an AMD Athlon XP, but not sure if it's right |
| 05:56.10 | RainbowW | calamari_: Okay. If you're trying to install the drivers from nvidia's website, the minimum kernel version is 2.2.12. So download whatever 2.2.x kernel you want (moving to 2.4.x isn't something I'd suggest just yet) ... |
| 05:56.15 | mwilson | chris`: If you get really desperate I can tar up my src directory, but it's really a mess. |
| 05:56.25 | Xenocide | fpmc: the kernel and header files need to match, naturally |
| 05:56.30 | McQuaid | i wasn't sure if i'd notice but 2.6 does feel much more responsive |
| 05:56.32 | Unfrgiven | how do i setup a wiki on my debian box? i have apache installed. what other packages do i need? |
| 05:56.35 | LoneIguana | whenever I try to install something with apt-get I get the error message |
| 05:56.35 | LoneIguana | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 05:56.35 | LoneIguana | I ran memtest 86 and no errors were found |
| 05:56.39 | RainbowW | calamari_: ... untar it, and in the /linux-2.2.x directory, cp /boot/config-2.2.20-idepci .config |
| 05:56.40 | mwilson | Well, the source isn't really a mess, it's only a few files after all, but there's all sorts of diff trash lying about. :) |
| 05:56.41 | McQuaid | RainbowW: why wouldn't you suggest 2.4 ? |
| 05:56.55 | ponds | 2.4 is too bleeding edge :O |
| 05:56.57 | lepton | Unfrgiven: try kwiki |
| 05:56.59 | fpmc | Xenocide: does it not match right now? I do not see different platforms versions for kernel-source though... |
| 05:57.09 | mwilson | Hm, no, I lie. |
| 05:57.12 | RainbowW | McQuaid: I don't know anything else about his system. For example, is he running ipchains? If he is, that may break when he moves to 2.4. |
| 05:57.12 | McQuaid | 2.6 now. don't think i'll go back to 2.4 |
| 05:57.18 | mwilson | I must have cleaned it up and just don't remember it. |
| 05:57.24 | McQuaid | got ya |
| 05:57.25 | Unfrgiven | lepton: ok |
| 05:57.39 | Xenocide | fpmc: kernel-image and kernel-headers need to match. kernel source is source, and has all architectures in it |
| 05:57.45 | chris` | mwilson: I found the site and some patches, I'll let you know if there's anything I don't see that's a must-have |
| 05:57.52 | paul | mwilson: ok, try once more? |
| 05:57.55 | RainbowW | calamari_: The most recent version of that line is 2.2.25. |
| 05:58.11 | mwilson | chris`: Why're you so hot to have fspanel? |
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| 05:58.22 | calamari_ | mwilson: I plan to use fspanel when I get this all working. Do you know of a quicklaunch addition to it? |
| 05:58.25 | fpmc | Xenocide: ok. My kernel image is, I think, 2.4.18-bf2.4, straight from 'uname -r', is this true? |
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| 05:58.42 | mwilson | calamari_: The original fspanel has that. The patch removes it. |
| 05:58.43 | ponds | does anyone know which debian package i can get update-rc.d in ? |
| 05:58.45 | chris` | mwilson: I use it already, I just liked some of the customizations I noticed |
| 05:58.47 | calamari_ | rainbow: thanks, I'll get the d/l started :) |
| 05:58.58 | ponds | i cant apt-get the sysv init scripts because i need update-rc.d to install the debs |
| 05:59.00 | mwilson | Or I thought the original one did. |
| 05:59.04 | mwilson | Maybe not. |
| 05:59.16 | chris` | vanilla fspanel has no launcher that I know of |
| 05:59.18 | Xenocide | fpmc: try uname -a |
| 05:59.20 | mwilson | There's perlpanel... you could use that. |
| 05:59.23 | stnick | Unfrgiven: "apt-cache search wiki" shows several available alternatives... you want to go the zope route, or perl, or php, or python... etc. |
| 05:59.30 | mwilson | I found it terribly annoying, but you might like it. |
| 05:59.31 | RainbowW | calamari_: Also, if you go to nvidia's readme, there are other minimum software requirements. look in appendix b (search for app-b) and make sure your system meets them. minimum kernel, minimum X, minimum modultils, binutils, make, and gcc. Make sure you have them all, and the commands to check are listed. |
| 05:59.33 | calamari_ | mwilson: will perlpanel sit next to fspanel ? |
| 05:59.40 | mwilson | It doesn't get along with xinerama. |
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| 05:59.54 | calamari_ | eew |
| 05:59.56 | SwooP | packages.debian.org is down at the moment. <-- how long will it take ??? |
| 06:00.01 | chris` | SwooP: I hate you |
| 06:00.05 | fpmc | Xenocide: Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Date 2002 i686 unknown |
| 06:00.08 | SwooP | sorry... |
| 06:00.10 | mwilson | calamari_: Hm? Next to? No, it overlays it. And it doesn't set an EWMH strut, either, which was one of the things about it that irritated me. |
| 06:00.10 | calamari_ | maybe I should just use gnome's panel.. hehe |
| 06:00.28 | SwooP | sorry.. i read the topic now... |
| 06:00.33 | mwilson | Why would you want to run both fspanel and gnome's panel? |
| 06:00.37 | mwilson | That'd be rather silly. |
| 06:00.37 | paul | ~topicsmite swoop |
| 06:00.40 | | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon swoop. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:00.49 | paul | oops, belated |
| 06:01.07 | mwilson | paul: Belated what? |
| 06:01.13 | calamari_ | I just wanted something that was small and had basic functions, quicklaunch and running tasks (like win98 basically, but NOT fvwm95, that sux) |
| 06:01.14 | Xenocide | fpmc: you need kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 06:01.18 | SwooP | sorry.. :( |
| 06:01.21 | Xenocide | if its not installed allready |
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| 06:01.24 | paul | my belate topicsmite |
| 06:01.27 | mwilson | calamari_: Try pythonpanel |
| 06:01.28 | fpmc | Xenocide: oh..... |
| 06:01.28 | calamari_ | rainbow: okay, will do |
| 06:01.35 | fpmc | Xenocide: I can't find it though... :( |
| 06:02.01 | calamari_ | mwilson: okay, I'll check it out, thanks :) |
| 06:02.10 | arturaz_ | good morning everyone ;-) |
| 06:02.13 | RainbowW | calamari_: Compiling a custom kernel is the solution -least- likely to screw up your system that I can think of, given that I dunno if woody's nvidia packages support your card or not. |
| 06:02.28 | chris` | I've really got to stop using xchat |
| 06:02.32 | Xenocide | fpmc: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 06:02.33 | chris` | I think today will be the last day |
| 06:02.34 | fpmc | Xenocide: nevermind I found it |
| 06:02.42 | fpmc | Xenocide: sorry for the trouble :( |
| 06:02.49 | fpmc | Xenocide: I'll try right now |
| 06:02.49 | stnick | Unfrgiven: tiki is rated very highly on freshmeat, but looks like you'd have to install it from tgz. http://freshmeat.net/projects/tiki/?topic_id=1019%2C897%2C95%2C31%2C917 |
| 06:02.50 | SwooP | ppl it's 07:00 in the morning here.. can i .. |
| 06:02.51 | Xenocide | oh, the trouble's just begun |
| 06:02.53 | RainbowW | calamari_: And of course, you can keep your old one installed and you get to learn about lilo so you can boot back and forth in case your new one doesn't work. :) |
| 06:02.55 | Xenocide | f'ing nvidia |
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| 06:04.26 | Xenocide | fpmc: coincidentally, Justin_ maintains a script that handles most cases. you can look on apt-get.org for it, but you'll have to muck around with sources.list |
| 06:04.28 | McQuaid | i never understood when booting multiple kerns, that u can't really specify each system.map file for each kern |
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| 06:04.40 | calamari_ | rainboww: what is the benefit to a 2.4 kernel? is more recent hardware supported?r |
| 06:04.44 | mwilson | PythonPanel doesn't set the strut properly either. |
| 06:04.49 | cafuego | McQuaid: You call them System.map-2.6.0 etc |
| 06:05.05 | calamari_ | mwilson: okay, guess I'll just use the gnome panel :) |
| 06:05.16 | mwilson | But that's probably easily fixed. PerlPanel has all these Gnome dependencies and it wasn't worth looking at. |
| 06:05.26 | mwilson | calamari_: If you're using Gnome, why wouldn't you? |
| 06:05.34 | fpmc | Xenocide: what do you mean by that. Is there a name for the script? |
| 06:05.41 | RainbowW | calamari_: Yes, but there are other changes that can gork your machine too. If your interest is -stability,- a 2.4 upgrade may not be for you. My suggestion is to tackle one problem at a time: Get the nvidia drivers working in the 2.2.x tree first, and then look at moving to 2.4 if it interests you. Don't try both at once if you're inexperienced at it. |
| 06:05.55 | McQuaid | cafuego: yes but then u make a sym link to them, but i don't know how to indicate each specific system.map in lilo |
| 06:06.01 | Justin_ | um |
| 06:06.03 | Xenocide | fpmc: i forget the name, cuz it didnt work. but its in all likely hood my fault |
| 06:06.07 | Penix | ~cluebat RainbowW |
| 06:06.10 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps RainbowW. |
| 06:06.13 | cafuego | McQuaid: No, you don't make a symlink. |
| 06:06.16 | paul | hmm.. lets say i have two computers on my network.. my main computer has quite a large apt cache of debs.. can i just point my second computer to like 192.168.0.102 and use those instead of downloading openoffice.org again? |
| 06:06.31 | cafuego | McQuaid: lilo doesn't need a reference to System.map anwyay |
| 06:06.39 | calamari_ | rainbow: okay :) |
| 06:06.47 | Justin_ | paul: apt-proxy? |
| 06:06.48 | McQuaid | oh, i've always made a sym linked just called system.map as newbie kern guides instructed |
| 06:06.50 | cafuego | paul: Yes. apt-get install apt-cache |
| 06:06.57 | cafuego | s/cache/proxy/ |
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| 06:07.07 | cafuego | McQuaid: You don't need to. |
| 06:07.19 | McQuaid | so if it's named the same as the kern it knows which system map to use? |
| 06:07.23 | cafuego | McQuaid: The ekrnel knows which version it is and will pick the right one anyway. |
| 06:07.32 | McQuaid | ok cool |
| 06:08.07 | calamari_ | rainbow: does sid have a 2.4 kernel by default? |
| 06:08.20 | mwilson | hah... pypanel 0.9 sets the strut now. |
| 06:08.22 | mwilson | cool |
| 06:08.26 | mwilson | have to look at that one again |
| 06:08.46 | calamari_ | mwilson: oh yeah? How hard do you think it'd be to add some kind of launcher ? |
| 06:08.54 | RainbowW | calamari_: ATM sid doesn't have a live install that I'm aware of. So there is no "default." But it has 2.4 kernel packages available. There are also 2.6.0 test packages available, altho I haven't seen a release-level package. |
| 06:08.58 | calamari_ | oh pypanel |
| 06:09.18 | fpmc | Xenocide: do you know if I can scroll up in ircII? Cause I missed your last message |
| 06:09.30 | cafuego | fpmc: pg-up should do it. |
| 06:09.36 | RainbowW | calamari_: When I do a sid install myself, it's actually a minimal woody install followed by a dist-upgrade and THEN a real selection of packages. |
| 06:09.39 | chris` | fpmc: I don't think ircII is for you |
| 06:09.39 | cafuego | fpmc: if not, /lastlog <user> |
| 06:09.44 | mwilson | calamari_: Dunno. Launchers aren't things I care about. That's what keybindings are for. |
| 06:09.48 | Xenocide | fpmc: not a damned clue. |
| 06:09.48 | cafuego | fpmc: if not, trash ircii |
| 06:09.57 | Xenocide | i use bitchx when i dont have xchat available |
| 06:10.03 | calamari_ | rainbow: ahh.. so there isn't a sid ISO |
| 06:10.10 | Xenocide | i hear thats blasphemy, but es geht |
| 06:10.11 | cafuego | Xenocide: And you admit that in public? How brave! |
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| 06:10.35 | Xenocide | nobody ever tells me whats so special about ircii |
| 06:10.40 | Xenocide | and its not immediately obvious to me |
| 06:10.42 | RainbowW | calamari_: Correct. There are -unofficial- jigdo images generated for dvd periodically, but no official release of sid. |
| 06:10.44 | cafuego | Xenocide: ircii is _old_ |
| 06:10.59 | fpmc | Xenocide: I think that's the only thing I can use until I get the NVidia thing working then X Windows working :) |
| 06:11.23 | Xenocide | fpmc: well you can always edit the x server config file to use nv |
| 06:11.33 | calamari_ | ircii just works.. using it right now from my shell on a mac to talk to you while my main system is being messed with ;) |
| 06:12.05 | Xenocide | calamari_: frankley, i dont use text mode irc clients often |
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| 06:12.49 | calamari_ | xenocide: neither do I |
| 06:12.51 | Cobain | what command will play a wav? |
| 06:13.00 | deadcat | play |
| 06:13.10 | Cobain | seriously? |
| 06:13.11 | fpmc | Xenocide: oh... so that's why. I though vesa was the lowest standard that should work with anything, so apparently I was wrong. But fortuantely my GLX drivers installed correctly :) |
| 06:13.13 | Cobain | am i that stupid? |
| 06:13.14 | deadcat | yes |
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| 06:14.04 | adamhall | hah |
| 06:14.07 | Xenocide | deadcat: now for the bonus round! what do i use to play .au files? |
| 06:14.24 | deadcat | Xenocide: whats .au? |
| 06:14.34 | RainbowW | it's a mac format |
| 06:14.38 | cafuego | deadcat: where i live |
| 06:14.39 | deadcat | o |
| 06:14.43 | Xenocide | an audio file format? |
| 06:14.44 | JimButton | i think that is solaris audio |
| 06:14.51 | Cobain | hmm play wont play while xmms is playing |
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| 06:14.55 | deadcat | cafuego: south america (= |
| 06:14.57 | Xenocide | its an old format |
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| 06:15.04 | calamari_ | yeah I thought .au was sun |
| 06:15.11 | LoneIguana | whenever I try to install something dpkg segfaults, How do I fix this? |
| 06:15.20 | RainbowW | Cobain: yeah. that's because only one program can have ahold of the output device at once |
| 06:15.25 | JimButton | Xenocide: you can convert it with sox |
| 06:15.28 | calamari_ | who cares tho.. bbs days are long gone :) |
| 06:15.32 | Cobain | there is no way around that? |
| 06:16.02 | cafuego | calamari_: nah, mine still runs fine. |
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| 06:16.31 | JimButton | Xenocide: i think sox also contains a program "play" which should just recognize the format and play it |
| 06:16.37 | Xenocide | heh |
| 06:16.51 | Xenocide | it doesn't matter much. i deleted the file a long time ago |
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| 06:17.07 | calamari_ | cafuego: glad to hear it! |
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| 06:18.32 | Xenocide | fpmc: did you ever get your drivers working? |
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| 06:27.45 | *** topic/#debian is If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || If you don't know how to compile a kernel, don't start to learn now. just wait for the 2.6 .deb, ok? || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT IN ALL 2.4 KERNELS < 2.4.23 DSA: http://xrl.us/66p || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 06:27.48 | calamari_ | alrighty, I'm in :) |
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| 06:28.12 | arcangel | hi |
| 06:28.49 | arcangel | im about to intall debian on a pentium 4 3.2ghz with 2048 rams and was wondering if there is a special distro for machines with lots of mem? |
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| 06:29.13 | Xenocide | arcangel: 2 gigs? i think you'll be fine |
| 06:29.19 | jm_ | you'll need kernel with HIGHMEM support enabled |
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| 06:29.30 | TimRiker | apt: status |
| 06:29.31 | | Since Tue Dec 30 06:20:09 2003, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 3 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 9m 21s this session, and currently reference 106142 factoids. I'm using about 11808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 20.45/3.51 child 0.03/0.03 |
| 06:29.33 | jm_ | apt, que pasa? |
| 06:29.35 | | i haven't a clue, jm_ |
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| 06:29.49 | jm_ | 106142 factoids, not bad ;) |
| 06:30.07 | parthenogeny | anyone know about update-menus |
| 06:30.14 | Xenocide | arcangel: I must defer to jm_'s experience |
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| 06:31.43 | arcangel | what kernel is that jm |
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| 06:32.16 | arcangel | will it detect the amount of mem that i have an intall that HIGHMEM kernel? |
| 06:32.53 | jm_ | arcangel: it's a kernel option |
| 06:32.55 | arcangel | que dice jm? |
| 06:33.06 | Xenocide | arcangel: i think you'll need to build your own kernel |
| 06:33.13 | arcangel | :) |
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| 06:33.25 | Xenocide | but you probably want to anyways to take advantage of hyperthreading |
| 06:33.32 | arcangel | ok jm, bot on the lilo boot will that option then bi included |
| 06:33.58 | jm_ | arcangel: it's a compile time option |
| 06:34.00 | arcangel | I ask because im not familiar with debia, I use other distros but on this new machine that I got I want to use debian on it |
| 06:34.06 | arcangel | ah ok jm |
| 06:34.08 | arcangel | gracias |
| 06:34.29 | jm_ | you will find kernel config for each debian kernel in /boot or on FTP sites for those available during installation |
| 06:34.56 | arcangel | jm do I only need to burn the firt two cds? or should I get all 7? |
| 06:35.10 | Xenocide | arcangel: what's on disc 2? |
| 06:35.12 | jm_ | you don't need any CD-s, get netinstall ISO if you want a CD |
| 06:35.52 | Xenocide | arcangel: in all likely hood you'll do just fine with a net install, and you'll have up to date packages as well |
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| 06:37.53 | arcangel | what is that |
| 06:37.56 | arcangel | what is netintall |
| 06:38.14 | jm_ | ~+netinst |
| 06:38.16 | | methinks netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/, or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ |
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| 06:38.27 | arcangel | u mean disk one? |
| 06:38.35 | jm_ | no, read the above |
| 06:38.35 | MightyMark | nite :) |
| 06:38.55 | arcangel | I read it, but it does not make any sense to me |
| 06:39.05 | arcangel | <jm_> ~+netinst |
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| 06:39.05 | RainbowW | arcangel: Go read the first URL. |
| 06:39.08 | arcangel | what about that |
| 06:39.18 | arcangel | oh ok |
| 06:39.21 | arcangel | apt is talking |
| 06:39.23 | | arcangel: wish i knew |
| 06:39.23 | arcangel | :) |
| 06:39.24 | RainbowW | arcangel: That was a command to get apt to talk to you. |
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| 06:41.09 | calamari_ | rainboww: question while I'm in the kernel options here.. I'd like to have a plain text mode (not graphics) console, because I prefer the 9x16 font rather than 8x16 when in graphics mode. I'm seeing VGA 16-color and VESA VGA options I can uncheck |
| 06:41.20 | calamari_ | rainbow: should I leave all that stuff enabled? |
| 06:41.32 | RainbowW | calamari_: i've never messed with custom fonts and couldn't tell ya. sorry. |
| 06:41.48 | calamari_ | rainbow: okay.. I'll not mess with it now.. thats a project for later ;) |
| 06:41.52 | Xenocide | calamari_: you still want 16 color mode |
| 06:41.55 | RainbowW | calamari_: the nice thing about it, tho, is that if you screw it up and it manages to boot, you can go back later and change it one bit at a time and see what happens. :) |
| 06:42.11 | nevyn | calamari_: you want to un check all that stuff.. and select VGA console support one level up. |
| 06:42.27 | jm_ | calamari_: stm also supports loading of fonts, why not try that if you want different mode ? |
| 06:42.47 | arcangel | is Version 3.0r2 the last release? |
| 06:42.58 | RainbowW | jm_: We're attempting his first successful kernel compile. One problem at a time. :) |
| 06:43.09 | jm_ | RainbowW: ohh OK, sorry |
| 06:43.29 | calamari_ | jm: thanks, yeah, I'd better keep it simple :) |
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| 06:43.45 | RainbowW | calamari_: How comfortable are you with lilo, btw? |
| 06:43.48 | Xenocide | arcangel: basically. the installer version doesn't matter much |
| 06:44.02 | Kawfee | rahul, ! |
| 06:44.15 | arcangel | it doesnt? how come? |
| 06:44.27 | calamari_ | rainbow: I've messed with it only in the sense of loading from MS-DOS :) |
| 06:44.38 | Xenocide | arcangel: cuz debian has a built in tool to update major system components (as well as several minor ones) |
| 06:44.50 | RainbowW | calamari_: That's not lilo, that's loadlin. :) |
| 06:44.50 | Xenocide | the famous apt tool |
| 06:45.01 | albino | Anybody know what it takes to make grip rip cds in unstable |
| 06:45.03 | albino | ? |
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| 06:45.19 | simonrvn | use cdrecord |
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| 06:45.28 | JimButton | albino: what does your question mean?! |
| 06:45.32 | Xenocide | shit, what did I say? |
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| 06:45.35 | calamari_ | rainbow: I guess that answers it then.. I don't know anything about it, except it is in the mbr |
| 06:45.48 | JimButton | simonrvn: cdrecord rips CDs? |
| 06:46.16 | jm_ | albino: tried abcde ? |
| 06:46.22 | JimButton | yeah, i use abcde |
| 06:46.37 | JimButton | it is a low-maintenance awesome shell script :) |
| 06:46.44 | tictac | just use jack. |
| 06:46.48 | tictac | apt-get install jack. |
| 06:46.49 | tictac | simple enough. |
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| 06:47.33 | RainbowW | calamari_: Let's get through the compilation process first. :) |
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| 06:48.36 | Prosthetic_Mind | mmm... |
| 06:48.39 | cafuego | Any grave outstanding bugs with the new sarge libc6 that I should know about? |
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| 06:49.27 | JimButton | cafuego: it has mad cow disease |
| 06:49.27 | tapa | What happens if you fsck -y /dev/hdb1 Which is a VFAT drive? |
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| 06:49.27 | cafuego | JimButton: that's fine |
| 06:49.28 | JimButton | cafuego: but the danger for humans is negligible |
| 06:49.32 | tapa | s/hdb1/hdb |
| 06:49.37 | JimButton | and as we all know, blame canada |
| 06:49.51 | Xenocide | tapa: what does -y do? |
| 06:50.02 | cafuego | serves you right for eating beef |
| 06:50.07 | tapa | Xenocide: say yes to all questions |
| 06:50.57 | Xenocide | tapa: not according to the manual |
| 06:50.57 | jm_ | tapa: not much unless you have fsck.vfat installed and don't do it on entire disk |
| 06:50.57 | tapa | jm_: well, it erased the whole fscking disck with 5gb of music in it |
| 06:51.01 | tapa | jm_: but im not mad |
| 06:51.03 | Xenocide | tapa: then im guessing you know what it does... |
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| 06:51.47 | jm_ | tapa: yeah maybe it doesn't doo too many checks |
| 06:51.47 | tapa | yeah, it said hdb has been 382 days without checking |
| 06:51.47 | Xenocide | what happens is fsck calls a helper program for vfat |
| 06:51.53 | Xenocide | called fsck.vfat, if im not mistaken |
| 06:52.29 | Xenocide | aka dosfsck |
| 06:52.41 | tapa | yeah |
| 06:52.41 | tapa | but if fscked up my disk |
| 06:52.44 | tapa | left 27mb lost and found |
| 06:52.44 | Xenocide | heh |
| 06:52.44 | tapa | with noithing in it |
| 06:52.44 | Xenocide | well who does a force yes? |
| 06:52.57 | tapa | well all those question say Inode bla bla bla |
| 06:53.00 | tapa | and i assumed yes |
| 06:53.05 | mwilson | huh, pypanel is remarkably well behaved once you get the colors set properly. |
| 06:53.49 | tapa | does fsck log to any files? |
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| 06:53.58 | JimButton | tapa: no |
| 06:54.25 | Xenocide | tapa: that would make checking certain partitions difficult |
| 06:54.29 | tapa | ... |
| 06:54.34 | tapa | my disk wasnt partitioned |
| 06:55.11 | Xenocide | nevermind |
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| 06:55.56 | calamari_ | rainbow: should I uncomment /boot in the Makefile ? |
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| 06:56.00 | KryQ | HEllo |
| 06:56.06 | RainbowW | calamari_: Don't dork with the Makefile. |
| 06:56.39 | KryQ | How do i give my users authority to user the X server ;| ? |
| 06:56.43 | tapa | Well why did it erase my disk? |
| 06:56.45 | calamari_ | rainbow: okay.. it said that it would install to root otherwise.. but maybe that is something else. I checked / and there is a symlink to /boot |
| 06:56.59 | RainbowW | calamari_: That's not how we'll do this. :) |
| 06:57.05 | Xenocide | tapa: because it tried to fix everything |
| 06:57.18 | RainbowW | calamari_: Are you done with the configuration? |
| 06:57.32 | Xenocide | tapa: or possibly because it misidentified the partition type |
| 06:57.58 | jm_ | KryQ: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 06:58.11 | jm_ | KryQ: or do you mean who's allowed to start X server ? |
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| 06:58.34 | KryQ | jm_: Yes, how do i give a user the right to start the X server. |
| 06:58.41 | tapa | Xenocide: im never using fsck again |
| 06:58.45 | jm_ | KryQ: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:59.06 | cazador1976 | how can I install gnome 2 en Sid? |
| 06:59.11 | cazador1976 | i have de 12 cds |
| 06:59.13 | Xenocide | tapa: sometimes unix and windows disagree on how things should be |
| 06:59.27 | tapa | cazador1976: jajaj aprende a hablar ingles boludo |
| 06:59.32 | Xenocide | example: linux can read my 20 gig fat partition perfectly |
| 06:59.46 | streuner | cazador1967: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 06:59.46 | Xenocide | windows refuses to even see it without ezbios |
| 06:59.46 | cazador1976 | jaja |
| 06:59.47 | tapa | Xenocide: on windows while scandisking the disk it made a noise |
| 06:59.49 | paul | I want to add xresources to my .Xresources file so that when i call aterm as "aterm -tn tinyfugue" it loads those resources, but when i call "aterm" it doesn't load those particular resources |
| 06:59.50 | tapa | cazador1976: matias? |
| 06:59.52 | cazador1976 | que gil |
| 06:59.57 | cazador1976 | no |
| 06:59.59 | tapa | ahhh |
| 07:00.04 | cazador1976 | no me di cuenta |
| 07:00.04 | Xenocide | tapa: the drive or the computer speaker? |
| 07:00.14 | KryQ | jm_: There must be a file to define ut in. |
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| 07:00.15 | tapa | Xenocide: the drive |
| 07:00.23 | jm_ | KryQ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 07:00.38 | tapa | cazador1976: en sid apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 07:00.42 | bztunk | yay i finally found out how to change xterm's ansi colors |
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| 07:00.55 | paul | bztunk: :) |
| 07:00.59 | cazador1976 | very easy |
| 07:01.02 | Xenocide | Well, its difficult to pin this on fsck rather than the hardware or you |
| 07:01.04 | debian | ~penixstrike ravenbird |
| 07:01.07 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ravenbird to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:01.20 | cazador1976 | de donde sos tapa |
| 07:01.27 | bztunk | it was easy, but i don't know, it took me time |
| 07:01.41 | bucky | debian: how was your holiday? |
| 07:01.57 | debian | bucky: horrible |
| 07:02.04 | bucky | :0 |
| 07:02.09 | debian | bucky: I went to a theme park |
| 07:02.10 | KryQ | jm_: Got it, thx ;) |
| 07:02.24 | bucky | did you go home? |
| 07:02.26 | debian | bucky: and one of the game threw a girl out of her seat |
| 07:02.38 | bucky | not a pretty site |
| 07:02.42 | calamari_ | rainbow: okay I've compiled it (make bzImage) and have vmlinux in /usr/src/linux |
| 07:02.52 | debian | bucky: she wasn't dead, but it must be a horrible experience she ever had. |
| 07:03.00 | bucky | sorry to hear that |
| 07:03.09 | paul | debian: what ride and themepark? |
| 07:03.12 | debian | bucky: and I played the same game earler *phew* |
| 07:03.19 | debian | paul: it's in Hong Kong |
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| 07:03.51 | debian | paul: but the park is a temporary part constructed by a US company |
| 07:03.52 | paul | no horrible disneyworld story then eh.. |
| 07:03.58 | rahul | RainbowW: you are truely a tool. |
| 07:04.13 | debian | paul: most of these are fake, but this one is not. :P |
| 07:04.27 | rahul | RainbowW: your lack of basic reasoning ability really surprises me. oh well. |
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| 07:04.54 | debian | rahul: are you talking about my gf? |
| 07:05.04 | paul | heh |
| 07:05.15 | debian | rahul: if that'd surprise you, you're single |
| 07:05.27 | paul | weel, he would have needed to learn how to compile eventually anyhow (bright side) |
| 07:06.03 | debian | or he'd be your boss in the future (dark side) |
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| 07:13.50 | BODYGUARD | good night everybody |
| 07:14.06 | debian | ssshhhhh, everybody is sleeping |
| 07:14.44 | bztunk | debian: are you selfish? i mean, with the name debian and all |
| 07:14.59 | bztunk | debian: are you overating yourself? |
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| 07:15.36 | debian | bztunk: /msg nickserv info debian |
| 07:16.11 | bztunk | wow 3 years |
| 07:16.35 | debian | bztunk: there wasn't much people back then |
| 07:16.53 | bztunk | i guess so |
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| 07:17.19 | debian | holycow: hi |
| 07:17.32 | holycow | g'day debian :) |
| 07:17.33 | holycow | how are you? |
| 07:17.45 | debian | holycow: "holycow talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 4 times!" |
| 07:18.05 | debian | holycow: congratulation, that wasn't easy in #debian. :) |
| 07:18.14 | holycow | hahahaha :) |
| 07:18.20 | holycow | <-- fast typer |
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| 07:18.26 | jetscreamer | no he's not selfish, he's shellfish |
| 07:18.31 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 07:18.31 | BODYGUARD | debian: I thought that all were sleeping... |
| 07:18.32 | holycow | don't ask how its possible to type with hoofs |
| 07:18.39 | debian | holycow: we call the kind of you 'shooter'. XD |
| 07:18.45 | holycow | :) |
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| 07:18.59 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 07:19.02 | bztunk | debian: but really, are you important in the debian organisation? |
| 07:19.02 | debian | BODYGUARD: heh you kept silent til now? :) how considerate you are. :) |
| 07:19.18 | exobyte | is there a way to mount a .bin/.cue file in linux? It is *not* a vcd/svcd |
| 07:19.20 | jetscreamer | he is a legend in his own mind... |
| 07:19.22 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 07:19.26 | bztunk | hehe |
| 07:19.53 | debian | jetscreamer: hehe I just wanna say that. :) |
| 07:20.11 | bztunk | exobyte: i don't think so.. .bins have more information than isos |
| 07:20.14 | bztunk | exobyte: or something like that |
| 07:20.18 | debian | exobyte: just burn them |
| 07:20.23 | Xenocide | exobyte: apt-cache search .cue |
| 07:20.33 | BODYGUARD | debian: different of you, hehehe...I guess... |
| 07:20.51 | debian | exobyte: try mount bin as loop back to see if it contains anything. cue is just a descriper file and just plaintext in it |
| 07:21.10 | bztunk | yeah, that's it |
| 07:21.20 | bztunk | bins can have multiple sessions and tracks |
| 07:21.29 | bztunk | so loopbacks won't work |
| 07:21.35 | rahul | debian: your gf (he?) would be my boss in the future? |
| 07:21.36 | BODYGUARD | debian: trick brother... ;) |
| 07:21.40 | rahul | I'm not even sure who my boss is now. |
| 07:21.45 | debian | rahul: you can't tell... :D |
| 07:21.46 | bztunk | ~info bchunk |
| 07:21.58 | rahul | I work "directly" "for" at least 4 people |
| 07:22.01 | debian | ~info vcdgear |
| 07:22.04 | bztunk | exobyte: you may try a conversion |
| 07:22.06 | debian | darn, no vcdgear |
| 07:22.13 | bztunk | debian: it's not a vcd heh |
| 07:22.20 | RainbowW | has anybody done up a howto getting sound working under 2.6.0 now that alsa is built in and oss is deprecated? Or do the older alsa howtos and docs still apply? |
| 07:22.21 | debian | rahul: you mean you self-hired? |
| 07:22.27 | rahul | debian: if he's planning on being my boss in the future, I hope he's not good friends with his money |
| 07:22.54 | rahul | debian: no. I just have a project manager, engagement manager, metamanager, and client to report to |
| 07:22.55 | debian | rahul: yeah, who can afford to hire you. :) |
| 07:22.59 | rahul | each in different ways |
| 07:23.10 | debian | rahul: metamanager?.... |
| 07:23.13 | rahul | debian: who can afford to hire me and totally waste the money. |
| 07:23.26 | rahul | debian: yes, basically makes sure that project management is done correctly |
| 07:23.28 | debian | rahul: your cv looks great. ;) |
| 07:23.35 | rahul | debian: revenue goals are met, etc |
| 07:23.50 | rahul | debian: well, you haven't seen the one that includes my first full-time job :P |
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| 07:23.59 | rahul | or have you? did I upload that one? |
| 07:24.01 | McQuaid | ok i've been spoiled by synaptic, the syntax to upgrade something is apt-get upgrade icewm correct? |
| 07:24.01 | Xenocide | no wonder tech jobs are leaving the country |
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| 07:24.13 | debian | rahul: I really want to know what you do for living now. :) |
| 07:24.19 | rahul | Xenocide: shrug, I'm not feeling the pinch |
| 07:24.31 | debian | Sinistrad: have you setup your ssh properly now>? :) |
| 07:24.34 | rahul | Xenocide: with all the tech jobs leaving, that frees up more money for me :) |
| 07:24.37 | debian | Sinistrad: I'll be leaving in any minute |
| 07:24.39 | Xenocide | heh |
| 07:24.44 | rahul | debian: I write code |
| 07:24.57 | debian | rahul: I can tell! what else? |
| 07:25.02 | rahul | heh |
| 07:25.26 | rahul | debian: well, it's for financial applications. that's about all there is to say that'll be the same across projects |
| 07:25.43 | bztunk | rahul: are you using OS/2? |
| 07:25.43 | rahul | debian: and of course, that is only for this job |
| 07:25.48 | rahul | and I better get some sleep |
| 07:25.52 | rahul | bztunk: wha??? |
| 07:25.56 | debian | rahul:so your clients are in financial field. That makes sense. They don't care about spending. :) |
| 07:26.07 | rahul | bztunk: where'd you get that idea? |
| 07:26.10 | rahul | debian: where'd you get that idea? |
| 07:26.21 | bztunk | rahul: i've heard it's popular in financial stuff |
| 07:26.24 | rahul | debian: financial clients are the MOST concerned with spending |
| 07:26.34 | rahul | bztunk: I've heard my ass is hot. |
| 07:26.35 | McQuaid | i think it was a joke |
| 07:26.37 | bztunk | haaha |
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| 07:26.38 | dondelelcaro | rahul: but they're not afraid to spend money to make money... |
| 07:26.54 | rahul | dondelelcaro: of course, but that's exactly what you do when you're concerned |
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| 07:27.07 | Wad | hello |
| 07:27.09 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yersh... |
| 07:27.10 | debian | rahul: what kind of financial sector you work with. My friend work with traders, they bought some 'SGI notebook' because my friennd said 'it looks good on your lap' |
| 07:27.11 | suzzi | hi all how is everyone doing? |
| 07:27.14 | rahul | dondelelcaro: always want to make sure you'll have more to buffer any necessary spending in the future |
| 07:27.16 | dondelelcaro | Wad: /quit, and come back as a normal user... |
| 07:27.19 | Wad | i have a quick question |
| 07:27.21 | Wad | what do you mean? |
| 07:27.25 | debian | ~tell wad about root |
| 07:27.33 | Wad | oh |
| 07:27.34 | Wad | :P |
| 07:27.39 | rahul | debian: well, they trade 10x the value of that notebook in one click |
| 07:27.45 | McQuaid | upgrading something while it's running is a no no correct? |
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| 07:28.00 | rahul | debian: the profit in a single day easily pays for the notebook if they're at all decent traders |
| 07:28.00 | jared | better? |
| 07:28.05 | McQuaid | like if i want to upgrade icewm while i'm currently running icewm |
| 07:28.08 | debian | rahul: and they paid Microsoft 10x licenses without a blink. :) |
| 07:28.12 | Xenocide | McQuaid: no problem |
| 07:28.12 | bztunk | McQuaid: this is not windows |
| 07:28.16 | bztunk | McQuaid: of course you can |
| 07:28.18 | rahul | debian: that's even less money |
| 07:28.23 | azreal | what does PCM stand for under aumix? |
| 07:28.32 | rahul | pulse code modulation. |
| 07:28.35 | jared | ok, so can i ask a few questions? :) |
| 07:28.38 | debian | rahul: if you think 200 mil is less money. :) |
| 07:28.43 | McQuaid | hmm, well, i updated kdm before in synaptic and somehting got out of wack til i rebooted |
| 07:28.50 | azreal | hmm, that doesnt simplify anything :P |
| 07:29.01 | bztunk | McQuaid: it'S really not suposed to |
| 07:29.02 | rahul | debian: erm... 200 million for 10 licenses? |
| 07:29.13 | McQuaid | ok i'll upgrade it now and see |
| 07:29.13 | Xenocide | McQuaid: i never trust kde these days |
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| 07:29.23 | rahul | debian: you mean for everything MS on 10 boxes? |
| 07:29.25 | Xenocide | but then again, gnome's screwed me over a few times too |
| 07:29.27 | McQuaid | not kde just kdm, dont have kde installed |
| 07:29.35 | McQuaid | needed a login manager for my gf |
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| 07:29.46 | debian | rahul: dunno about hte content of the contract, but my friend said it's just 20mil worth. They signed happily after a trip sponsored by MS... |
| 07:29.53 | bztunk | McQuaid: You can upgrade your kernel also.. |
| 07:29.54 | Wad | i just installed debian, and everything looks like it's working fine. however, does anybody have a link i can go to in order to get more information about configuring my mail server? |
| 07:29.56 | McQuaid | she's like wtf do u mean startx? where's my gui |
| 07:29.56 | rahul | debian: the project I was on before would move $2 million on a slow day, fwiw :) |
| 07:29.58 | denon | am I understanding this correctly? is there really no debian-packaged way to run Apache2 and php4? |
| 07:29.59 | bztunk | McQuaid: but you need to reboot to take effect |
| 07:30.03 | Xenocide | *shrug* I use gdm |
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| 07:30.18 | McQuaid | there was some reason i didn't use gdm, can't recall now |
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| 07:30.20 | azreal | rahul: is PCM the amplifier volume, or master volume? like on an amplifier, you have volume and master volume, turning up the master volume causes distortion? |
| 07:30.23 | dondelelcaro | denon: you shouldn't be running apache2 in production yet. |
| 07:30.24 | rahul | debian: some days were well over $6 million. for the project I'm on now, each trade is measured in the millions |
| 07:30.42 | rahul | azreal: it's the volume for digitized sounds |
| 07:30.42 | denon | dondelelcaro: yeah I dunno .. apache2 has been stable for like years now :) |
| 07:30.43 | dondelelcaro | denon: there will be php4 packages for apache2 shortly, though. |
| 07:30.47 | debian | rahul: any opening? :P |
| 07:30.50 | dondelelcaro | denon: uh, not hardly. |
| 07:31.04 | rahul | heh |
| 07:31.12 | dondelelcaro | denon: mod_perl has only just started working on apache2, and php4 support for apache2 is also pretty new. |
| 07:31.12 | denon | dondelelcaro: got a ton of it running on fbsd .. seems stable for the most part |
| 07:31.12 | Xenocide | did debian run out of a job? |
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| 07:31.15 | debian | I'm good at making coffee |
| 07:31.18 | Wad | hello? |
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| 07:31.21 | rahul | haha |
| 07:31.21 | nevyn | ? |
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| 07:31.23 | Xenocide | hello wad |
| 07:31.25 | debian | Wad: yes? |
| 07:31.25 | Wad | ah |
| 07:31.30 | Wad | i can be heard :) |
| 07:31.30 | bztunk | Wad: hi2u |
| 07:31.33 | rahul | debian: I think they have enough cute chicks... I mean secretaries |
| 07:31.39 | Wad | does anybody use tinyirc? |
| 07:31.50 | suzzi | hi Wad |
| 07:31.53 | Wad | hey :) |
| 07:32.01 | suzzi | i use irrsi sorry. |
| 07:32.05 | Wad | hmm |
| 07:32.07 | rahul | anyway. back to usenet. |
| 07:32.19 | Wad | can somebody send me a pm so i can see if this supports it? |
| 07:32.22 | debian | rahul: I'm a male, this was a common misunderstanding I can forgive if you hire me. :) |
| 07:32.45 | debian | !tell Wad about topic #debian list |
| 07:33.09 | Wad | yay, thats how they work :) |
| 07:33.23 | Wad | what was that for debian? |
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| 07:34.07 | debian | the second topic is funny. :) |
| 07:34.09 | paul | why is gmplayer not showing up in debian? |
| 07:34.10 | *** part/#debian marcin (~marcin@vo122.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:34.23 | mwilson | paul: Why should it? It's not packaged. |
| 07:34.25 | debian | buye |
| 07:34.29 | dondelelcaro | paul: uh, because it hasn't been packaged? |
| 07:34.33 | paul | doh |
| 07:34.37 | bztunk | paul: because mplayer has patent "issues" |
| 07:34.51 | bztunk | fuck the patents |
| 07:34.52 | [Roosta] | how do i stop my users from being auto logged out after x amount of time? |
| 07:34.55 | bztunk | i compile it myself |
| 07:35.02 | mwilson | mplayer has many "issues". |
| 07:35.11 | paul | i had it on my other box, i forgot i installed it myself |
| 07:35.12 | bztunk | mwilson: like? |
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| 07:35.30 | mwilson | paul: marillat.free.fr |
| 07:35.35 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: like the fact that the authors have no clue where the code they're using has come from, and incorportate it willy nilly. |
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| 07:36.01 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: hahaha, well, i don't care that much hehe |
| 07:36.05 | *** part/#debian denon (denon@synapse.subneural.net) |
| 07:36.14 | bztunk | i just love libavcodec and all the codecs it supports |
| 07:36.14 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: you could say the same thing about the linux kernel, if you believe SCO's stories ;) |
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| 07:36.40 | mwilson | paul: Did you ever get that file? |
| 07:36.48 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: yes, but the linux kernel has a person who is accountable for every bit of its code, and it doesn't randomly try to incorporate, say, parts of random libraries. |
| 07:37.02 | paul | mwilson: nope |
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| 07:37.36 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: moreover, when someone brings up a specific licensing issue, they actually deal with it. |
| 07:37.38 | mwilson | One last time. |
| 07:37.43 | mwilson | lol |
| 07:37.46 | mwilson | then he leaves |
| 07:37.51 | bztunk | haha |
| 07:38.06 | mwilson | So much for THAT dcc. |
| 07:38.17 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: heh. |
| 07:38.23 | mwilson | Or can you crash BX with a simple dcc? That'd be appropriate |
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| 07:38.48 | tulisuli | my syslog-ng doesn't work somehow it does not even seem to know that there are logs from iptables at all... |
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| 07:39.03 | calamari_ | yay!!! |
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| 07:39.15 | mwilson | calamari_: Hm? |
| 07:39.20 | BODYGUARD | #include<stdio.h>\main(void)\{while(1)\printf("somebody here programming in the linux kernel?\n");\return 0;\} |
| 07:39.36 | bztunk | while(1) is not a good idea |
| 07:39.49 | mwilson | BODYGUARD: Other than demonstrating your personal stupidity, what was that for? |
| 07:39.56 | calamari_ | mwilson: RainbowW is my hero :) compiled 2.2.25 kernel, nvidia driver worked great, X is up |
| 07:40.00 | BODYGUARD | ok, is a infinite loop... |
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| 07:40.13 | bztunk | wow 2.2.25 |
| 07:40.13 | mwilson | calamari_: Not with a 2.2.25 kernel you didn't. |
| 07:40.31 | calamari_ | mwilson: huh? |
| 07:40.32 | Xenocide | we need more words than just stupid |
| 07:40.43 | Misirlou | "They still make those kernels?" |
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| 07:40.55 | RainbowW | mwilson: you're thinking 2.4. |
| 07:40.55 | mwilson | calamari_: Since when does nVidia's 2.4.x-specific driver in any way run with 2.2.x? |
| 07:41.19 | calamari_ | mwilson: since about 2 minutes ago? |
| 07:41.24 | Xenocide | im guessing he means nv |
| 07:41.29 | mwilson | He must. |
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| 07:41.42 | Xenocide | jesus you guys. why so literal? |
| 07:41.42 | calamari_ | nope.. I changed the line to "nvidia" |
| 07:41.53 | hckz4u | what is the easiest way to install debian? |
| 07:41.55 | BODYGUARD | mwilson: who are you ? |
| 07:42.02 | bztunk | BODYGUARD: who are you? |
| 07:42.02 | hckz4u | use libranet? |
| 07:42.08 | RainbowW | mwilson: the downloadable linux driver on nvidia.com's web page requires 2.2.12 or later, per the readme. He's referring to the kernel module, not necessarily the X component. |
| 07:42.18 | tulisuli | how strange now it works again |
| 07:42.19 | tulisuli | ... |
| 07:43.07 | GhostDawg | hckz4u: Debian 3.0 cd |
| 07:43.12 | BODYGUARD | bztunk: I am an common person |
| 07:43.19 | bztunk | BODYGUARD: kthx |
| 07:43.26 | hckz4u | is it a graphical installer? |
| 07:43.36 | GhostDawg | kinda |
| 07:43.38 | bztunk | hckz4u: no |
| 07:44.01 | Xenocide | hckz4u: its got a text based kinda gui system |
| 07:44.06 | hckz4u | is it hard to install? i have lots of nvidia stuff |
| 07:44.08 | Xenocide | it walks you through most everything |
| 07:44.15 | hckz4u | and i run into problems |
| 07:44.22 | mwilson | Huh... you're right. |
| 07:44.32 | Xenocide | hckz4u: for the moment you should try sticking with the "nv" drivers |
| 07:44.34 | mwilson | I thought it was 2.4.x-specific, and it's not. My bad. |
| 07:44.49 | hckz4u | i mean i dont even get netowrk up |
| 07:44.50 | bztunk | wow mwilson was wrong! let's party! |
| 07:44.55 | hckz4u | because of ut |
| 07:44.56 | hckz4u | it |
| 07:44.58 | GhostDawg | lol |
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| 07:45.10 | Xenocide | oh, you have an nforce mobo? |
| 07:45.11 | mwilson | Hm? I admit when I'm wrong. |
| 07:45.18 | hckz4u | yes |
| 07:45.24 | hckz4u | k7 triton |
| 07:45.36 | mwilson | hckz4u: That's too bad. |
| 07:45.44 | hckz4u | is it no good? |
| 07:45.46 | bztunk | mwilson: it was a j-o-k-e. You never find out when i'm joking heh? |
| 07:45.59 | Xenocide | i have no idea of its quality, but i often see fixes related to it |
| 07:46.04 | bztunk | hckz4u: it's nforce2? you are using the onboard lan? |
| 07:46.07 | Xenocide | perhaps simply because of its popularity |
| 07:46.09 | hckz4u | yes |
| 07:46.12 | mwilson | I should print this spec and sleep with it under my pillow, maybe that way I'll internalize it. |
| 07:46.38 | bztunk | hckz4u: there's a gpl driver for the nforce2 lan now, one day i'll go into a kernel |
| 07:46.47 | bztunk | hckz4u: for now, you're fucked |
| 07:47.01 | bztunk | hckz4u: at least for a net install |
| 07:47.06 | hckz4u | :( |
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| 07:47.20 | Xenocide | whats the point of debian or linux without the net? |
| 07:47.29 | bztunk | Xenocide: there's a binary driver |
| 07:47.37 | tapa | Xenocide: a sweet exocet |
| 07:47.39 | hckz4u | is there a good reason for me to switch from rh fedora which is what i'm usin? |
| 07:47.51 | tapa | hckz4u: i used redhat and left it |
| 07:47.51 | hckz4u | how much better is debian? |
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| 07:47.57 | tapa | hckz4u: debian is not for newbies |
| 07:47.58 | Wad | can anybody tell me if the mail server functionality in debian is just a smtp server, or can it be configred for web-access like yahoo or hotmail? |
| 07:48.05 | rahul | tapa: false. |
| 07:48.11 | hckz4u | i'm not really a newb |
| 07:48.14 | rahul | debian is not for the falsely lazy. |
| 07:48.16 | bas | hckz4u, debian is true freedom |
| 07:48.22 | bztunk | hckz4u: fedora is not bad, but it's directed by redhat and all |
| 07:48.28 | tapa | well a newbie shouldnt be using debian |
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| 07:48.32 | bztunk | hckz4u: debian is more community oriented |
| 07:48.33 | tapa | since most of the config is done by hand |
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| 07:48.38 | rahul | bas: eh, not really. but it's a good try when confined by unix. |
| 07:48.40 | tapa | its hard to switch from rh to debian |
| 07:48.45 | rahul | tapa: wrong |
| 07:48.47 | Xenocide | hckz4u: .deb > rpm |
| 07:48.49 | tapa | rahul: stfu |
| 07:48.53 | rahul | tapa: wrong again, and again |
| 07:49.03 | tapa | rahul: chupame la berga pelotudo |
| 07:49.10 | hckz4u | damn it like 8 fukin cds bug |
| 07:49.10 | rahul | !insult-es tapa |
| 07:49.11 | dpkg | tapa: un cerdo tiene maneras mejores de la tabla que usted |
| 07:49.12 | hckz4u | big |
| 07:49.12 | bztunk | Wad: hum, MTA != webmail |
| 07:49.21 | Wad | i think i removed that |
| 07:49.23 | Xenocide | migration from redhat to debian can be difficult if you did redhat poorly |
| 07:49.26 | bztunk | Wad: there's mail servers (MTAs), and web mail servers |
| 07:49.26 | helix | haha |
| 07:49.26 | Wad | wait |
| 07:49.27 | GhostDawg | english plz |
| 07:49.28 | Wad | no, i didn't |
| 07:49.33 | tapa | ? |
| 07:49.37 | rahul | hckz4u: because the developers are nice enough to package up most of the stuff you're likely to want |
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| 07:49.45 | Wad | ok then, where can i get a webmail server? |
| 07:49.45 | helix | !hug developers |
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| 07:49.56 | bztunk | Wad: check out squirrelmail |
| 07:49.57 | helix | dpkg: do the cabbage patch |
| 07:49.58 | hckz4u | which boot do i want? |
| 07:49.59 | rahul | hckz4u: that doesn't mean you need to or even should donwload it all. |
| 07:50.02 | helix | that rocks |
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| 07:50.12 | rahul | hckz4u: you should read the install guide and get the packages from the network |
| 07:50.20 | rahul | dpkg: do me |
| 07:50.23 | Xenocide | hckz4u: that busted net card is gonna be a problem |
| 07:50.24 | rahul | hmm |
| 07:50.27 | rahul | too smart |
| 07:50.30 | rahul | dpkg: do that |
| 07:50.31 | helix | haha |
| 07:50.35 | Wad | could you tell me what the cabbage patch is? |
| 07:50.40 | helix | dpkg: do rahul in the booty |
| 07:50.45 | helix | :o |
| 07:50.46 | rahul | yowch |
| 07:50.47 | bztunk | hckz4u: btw, you can get cheap nics for like 10$ |
| 07:50.47 | GhostDawg | lol |
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| 07:50.53 | rahul | that's zoof's job |
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| 07:51.06 | hckz4u | well i cant use the driver from nv to install the netcard |
| 07:51.08 | hckz4u | ? |
| 07:51.11 | helix | dpkg is more virile |
| 07:51.11 | dpkg | helix: i don't know |
| 07:51.12 | rahul | holy shit. |
| 07:51.15 | rahul | it's late |
| 07:51.16 | tulisuli | well i found out something very amazing if i change the syslog-ng.conf i have to restart klogd too |
| 07:51.17 | tulisuli | *g* |
| 07:51.19 | bucky | moo |
| 07:51.19 | bztunk | dpkg: do rahul in the but |
| 07:51.23 | bztunk | hahha |
| 07:51.25 | rahul | helix: yeah, I can feel that! |
| 07:51.26 | Xenocide | hckz4u: i thought you meant the video card |
| 07:51.29 | tulisuli | that's great isn't it *g* |
| 07:51.33 | helix | bztunk: that was so funny... when i did it |
| 07:51.34 | Wad | i managed to get debian net-installed using the compact set of floppies |
| 07:51.36 | helix | !lart bztunk |
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| 07:51.40 | rahul | helix: heh |
| 07:51.46 | bztunk | helix: :( |
| 07:51.52 | BODYGUARD | hckz4u: which size of debian for download, new version ? |
| 07:51.53 | RainbowW | has anybody done up a howto getting sound working under 2.6.0 now that alsa is built in and oss is deprecated? Or do the older alsa howtos and docs still apply? |
| 07:51.54 | rahul | helix: and you used the correct words, too. |
| 07:52.06 | oh-yeah | how do I run a program in the background (through a telnet session), so that when I exit the telnet session, it continues to run...forever and ever and ever? |
| 07:52.06 | helix | i always do |
| 07:52.07 | bztunk | rahul: HEY! |
| 07:52.15 | rahul | bztunk: not my fault. |
| 07:52.22 | bztunk | rahul: k |
| 07:52.23 | streuner | RainbowW: heh? OSS working fine with 2.6.0 |
| 07:52.30 | hckz4u | oh yea, another thing, does debian have alsa? |
| 07:52.32 | helix | !lick |
| 07:52.33 | hckz4u | or oss? |
| 07:52.33 | rahul | heh |
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| 07:52.37 | rahul | hckz4u: yes |
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| 07:52.46 | Xenocide | hckz4u: i think debian prefers alsa |
| 07:52.46 | rahul | hckz4u: it has everything. |
| 07:52.49 | purplelahma | I am looking for a program I don't remember the name of. I saw it on debian.org's package listing when I searched all the packages, but that is down right now :( The program captures the output of the X-Server into a video file, by what means I don't know exactly, maybe motion-jpeg, all I remember is it does NOT need any special hardware to do this. Anybody know what program I am talking about, please?!? |
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| 07:52.51 | Xenocide | but offers both |
| 07:52.59 | rahul | Xenocide: debian prefers whatever you choose |
| 07:53.08 | RainbowW | streuner: New install. No sound configured at all. May as well use the non-deprecated method. |
| 07:53.09 | Xenocide | rahul: well i never chose alsa |
| 07:53.10 | streuner | true |
| 07:53.22 | rahul | Xenocide: in fact, it's extra effort to install alsa |
| 07:53.25 | hckz4u | i need to get my optical output working |
| 07:53.28 | bztunk | rahul: well, debian prefers lilo, because it's in the base system |
| 07:53.39 | helix | ahem |
| 07:53.42 | helix | rahul: it's past your bedtime |
| 07:53.46 | rahul | helix: I know |
| 07:53.47 | purplelahma | I don't use alsa, it has problems with openal output with ut2003, have to pipe openal to SDL and that is very slow compated to OSS native :-\ |
| 07:53.48 | Wad | i'll be back in a little bit |
| 07:53.59 | rahul | bztunk: eh, not really. is it really in base? |
| 07:54.06 | Wad | if i can figure out how to switch servers in this thing! |
| 07:54.08 | bztunk | ~info lilo |
| 07:54.08 | Xenocide | purplelahma: check this out: apt-cache search |
| 07:54.08 | rahul | bztunk: even then, that's not a preference. it's a default. |
| 07:54.28 | rahul | bztunk: that's like claiming that mozilla prefers gray square buttons |
| 07:54.39 | rahul | fair enough. |
| 07:54.44 | rahul | heh |
| 07:54.47 | bztunk | rahul: hahaaha :d I'm sick of gray square buttons |
| 07:54.50 | rahul | helix: just have breakfast |
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| 07:54.56 | purplelahma | Xenocide: I don't have an apt database :( |
| 07:54.58 | helix | bleh! |
| 07:55.02 | helix | pasta it is |
| 07:55.12 | tulisuli | what's daytime ? |
| 07:55.20 | rahul | bztunk: not suprising that you'd be fixated on that and the fact that lilo is in base. |
| 07:55.24 | rahul | bztunk: oh well, |
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| 07:55.29 | rahul | yawn |
| 07:55.32 | rahul | night helix |
| 07:55.37 | rahul | or morning, actually :\ |
| 07:55.49 | helix | yeah yeah, boa noite |
| 07:55.52 | helix | now get outta here |
| 07:55.59 | rahul | don't eat too much before you sleep. |
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| 07:56.09 | purplelahma | is there a way to ask the apt bot to query packages based on description? |
| 07:56.14 | McQuaid | yep upgrading kdm crapped out |
| 07:56.14 | hckz4u | should i go with generic boot or bf2.4? |
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| 07:56.26 | hckz4u | or which cd do i want? |
| 07:56.38 | McQuaid | it gave me some error and said scroll down to see why, but scroll wouldn't work and now icewm isn't an option in kdm |
| 07:56.51 | purplelahma | Xenocide: the program is rather old, very old if I remember.... |
| 07:56.58 | walde | hckz4u, use bf24 |
| 07:57.05 | purplelahma | Xenocide: it may even be vintage by now hehe |
| 07:57.05 | hckz4u | ok |
| 07:57.21 | diego | can sum1 tell me whats the file where i set my NIC to use DHCP or BOOTP instead of an ip or a Bcast that i previously asigned? |
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| 07:57.38 | Xenocide | purplelahma: xmacro? |
| 07:57.42 | McQuaid | i don't get why things are different when kdm is running, like now without it, my xterms are white bg instead of black, xcalc seems to be using a different skin and now vsync works from shortcuts |
| 07:57.49 | blob- | hei ... anyone would like to do "ls / -R > debian", tar.gz-ed the file debian and send it to me? i need it to do a research. |
| 07:57.50 | bztunk | diego: /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 07:58.22 | bztunk | blob-: wtf |
| 07:58.32 | calamari_ | uhoh, looks like I broke networking somehow with the new kernel |
| 07:58.40 | blob- | bztunk: wtf wtf ? |
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| 07:58.52 | bztunk | blob-: wtf wtf wtf ? |
| 07:58.59 | blob- | heh |
| 07:59.00 | purplelahma | Xenocide: nope, the prog I am looking for records the output of the server (what you see on your display), not just the input devices that occur |
| 07:59.04 | RainbowW | blob-: speak english and ask a question that makes sense. |
| 07:59.33 | walde | My graphics (background and application windows) are broken (parts of the screen are splitted and repeated). I have no idea which lib may contain this bug. Any clues? |
| 07:59.33 | Nurbs | blob-: what sort of research? |
| 07:59.37 | chemicallyrelian | need to do a research? |
| 07:59.39 | McQuaid | i think i'm going to scrap kdm, giving me too many issues, what other options are there for a login manager? just gdm? |
| 07:59.45 | mwilson | xdm |
| 07:59.45 | holy_cow | blast all of you |
| 07:59.49 | Xenocide | blob-: what if i have recursive directories? |
| 07:59.56 | purplelahma | McQuaid: wdm |
| 07:59.56 | blob- | Nurbs: to see if debian is 100% compliant with FHS |
| 08:00.05 | McQuaid | oh yeah forgot about xdm |
| 08:00.05 | holy_cow | you know your a damn gonner when you start to realize that command line is faster than gui |
| 08:00.05 | RainbowW | blob-: Why not install it yourself and see? |
| 08:00.07 | bztunk | McQuaid: and wdm |
| 08:00.09 | holy_cow | goddammit |
| 08:00.09 | McQuaid | never heard of wdm |
| 08:00.12 | McQuaid | anygood? |
| 08:00.16 | blob- | RainbowW: nope, not enough space |
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| 08:00.28 | blob- | Xenocide: that's okay. |
| 08:00.30 | purplelahma | McQuaid: fast, lean and clean... |
| 08:00.32 | RainbowW | blob-: So I'm supposed to ship you a copy of my system? What, are you nuts? |
| 08:00.35 | bztunk | McQuaid: I don't know, try it for yourself. That's really subjective you know |
| 08:00.46 | diego | bztunk that shows me what my ip and bcast are, but how do i set it to use DHCP instead? |
| 08:00.47 | McQuaid | i just want a login manger that doesn't influence my desktop, when using kdm, my fonts change, xterm background changes and other stuff |
| 08:00.49 | bas | blob-, you would need all packages installed to verify this completely, no one has that... |
| 08:00.54 | blob- | RainbowW: did I say a copy of your system ? I just need the directory structure |
| 08:00.56 | bztunk | diego: man interfaces |
| 08:00.59 | hckz4u | i hope debian is woth all this trouble |
| 08:01.07 | Nurbs | RainbowW: just exclude the porn directories :) |
| 08:01.07 | mwilson | McQuaid: No login manager affects any of those. |
| 08:01.10 | walde | hckz4u, what trouble? |
| 08:01.15 | McQuaid | kdm does for me |
| 08:01.19 | hckz4u | havin to install this shit |
| 08:01.19 | bztunk | hckz4u: you're not a geek if you think that |
| 08:01.19 | purplelahma | McQuaid: then try wdm or xdm.. if you want crazy flashing text that sparkles use xdm, otherwise I suggest wdm :) |
| 08:01.24 | RainbowW | blob-: You aren't going to get it from anybody here, if for no other reason than it's a security hazard cuz I don't know you from adam. I'm dumb, but I'm not THAT dumb. |
| 08:01.26 | walde | McQuaid, never recordnized this effect... |
| 08:01.37 | blob- | heh ... |
| 08:01.41 | hckz4u | oh, i mean whoope i get to solve problems with my geeky skills |
| 08:01.44 | Xenocide | please, someone send me a password file! |
| 08:01.49 | Xenocide | "" |
| 08:01.50 | blob- | no ... |
| 08:01.55 | hckz4u | minus the having any skills part |
| 08:02.04 | blob- | just exclude any security related files such as the passwd, etc. |
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| 08:02.10 | purplelahma | Xenocide: use your own |
| 08:02.13 | bztunk | mwilson: maybe it's because of sessions or something? |
| 08:02.13 | McQuaid | well upgrading kdm crapped out and now i just used startx, my font is larger, my xterm bg is white instead of black, even xcalc looks like its using a diff widget set or something |
| 08:02.14 | blob- | all i need is just the directory structure but that's okay |
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| 08:02.22 | purplelahma | Xenocide: so you can see how good your hashes are hehe |
| 08:02.26 | RainbowW | blob-: Get a machine and do it yourself. Now go away. |
| 08:02.31 | blob- | heh |
| 08:02.35 | mwilson | McQuaid: No, it doesn't. KDM couldn't care less. Something that gets started as part of your X session might, but the display manager doesnn't. |
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| 08:03.01 | walde | xenocide why do you need a password file?? |
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| 08:03.03 | hckz4u | does nvidias audio driver work with oss or alsa? |
| 08:03.09 | Xenocide | walde: i dont. |
| 08:03.13 | bztunk | hckz4u: both afaik |
| 08:03.14 | purplelahma | McQuaid: because differences between init scripts that are used in xdm/gdm/kdm and just using 'startx' |
| 08:03.32 | hckz4u | does anyone in here have spdif workin in debian? |
| 08:03.41 | blob- | Xenocide: a friend of mine give it to me. i just need another distro structure. anyway, that's fine! |
| 08:03.45 | walde | A generic question to the password files (sorry for offtopic): where is the salt stored? |
| 08:03.48 | McQuaid | ok makes sense, but how do i make kdm use the same scripts as when startx is used |
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| 08:04.11 | purplelahma | McQuaid: that is backwards hehe |
| 08:04.11 | Xenocide | blob-: well if you're truly interested in file hierachy comliance |
| 08:04.22 | Xenocide | you'd need to test the installable pacakges as well |
| 08:04.23 | McQuaid | heh sigh |
| 08:04.28 | purplelahma | McQuaid: alter the personal so startx is the same lol |
| 08:04.39 | purplelahma | McQuaid: just a min |
| 08:04.48 | tapa | dwssa. |
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| 08:05.35 | Wad | hi again :) |
| 08:05.59 | Bac9 | anyone seen this error before "unbind.c:40: ldap_unbind_ext: Assertion `( (ld)->ld_options.ldo_valid == 0x2 )' failed"? I've googled for it and can't seem to find any solutions, and this is the last line in my kdm.log before it crashes (or what ever, but seces to operate) |
| 08:06.06 | diego | bztunk k that show me how to configure dhclient and stuff, but is there a file to set my NIC to use DHCP as default when booting and all? |
| 08:06.06 | purplelahma | McQuaid: I use ancient, ancient version.. but if it's not changed too much - startx uses /etc/X11/xinit and login managers use /etc/X11/xdm as well as their own (gdm and kdm have their own that source some of xdm's) |
| 08:06.28 | bztunk | diego: it's in man interfaces lol |
| 08:06.46 | purplelahma | McQuaid: but what version XFree86? |
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| 08:07.16 | McQuaid | 4.3 |
| 08:07.20 | purplelahma | McQuaid: I am thinking your Xresources file is not getting properly sourced |
| 08:07.45 | purplelahma | McQuaid: do you use xft + xrender for AA fonts? |
| 08:07.58 | arauko | anyone knows a good screensaver other than xcreensaver? |
| 08:08.10 | walde | hckz4u With Nvidia audio drivers you possible get into trouble. I am happy using another pci card. |
| 08:08.20 | McQuaid | no i don't think so |
| 08:08.25 | hckz4u | damn |
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| 08:08.35 | hckz4u | nvidia causes so many problems |
| 08:08.45 | hckz4u | but i have an awesome card |
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| 08:08.48 | Xenocide | nvidia has this thing with binary drivers |
| 08:09.01 | hckz4u | i would really like spdif outpu to work |
| 08:09.03 | Xenocide | linux has this thing about being a moving target |
| 08:09.06 | purplelahma | hckz4u: what card ya got? |
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| 08:09.17 | diego | bztunk is it so hard to tell me ?? |
| 08:09.29 | DarioT | hi all, is better to upgrade a woody to sid or sarge? |
| 08:09.29 | hckz4u | nforce 2 but it has 5.1 with spdif output |
| 08:09.48 | hckz4u | and its an extra little peice that makes spdif output |
| 08:09.49 | bztunk | diego: iface eth0 dhcp something like that |
| 08:09.59 | purplelahma | hckz4u: oh, I thought you meant you had nvidio video card as well |
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| 08:10.04 | bztunk | diego: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:10.06 | hckz4u | i do |
| 08:10.15 | karma | is it some wm-s similat to ion ? |
| 08:10.18 | hckz4u | fx 5600 ultra |
| 08:10.23 | karma | s\similat\similar |
| 08:10.36 | purplelahma | hckz4u: can you please do x11perf --aaftext and tell me how many char's per sec ? |
| 08:10.36 | McQuaid | never had much troubles with nvidia drivers |
| 08:10.44 | McQuaid | old hitch was that cc export var |
| 08:10.48 | hckz4u | ok |
| 08:10.49 | walde | hckz4u, I only tried nforce 1. nforce2 possible work with out problems. There are audio driver by nvidia. You may also try the i810 module |
| 08:10.55 | McQuaid | running nvidia now with 2.6 |
| 08:11.39 | walde | McQuaid, the nforce1-audio dirver from nvidia droves me crazy +grrr* |
| 08:11.39 | hckz4u | my problem is lets say that i do get the audio driver compiled and everything how can i set debian to utilize the built driver |
| 08:11.50 | DarioT | hi all, is better to upgrade a woody to sid or sarge? |
| 08:11.50 | McQuaid | purplelahma: any suggestions on getting Xresources file properly sourced? |
| 08:12.07 | McQuaid | oh nforce audio. nm i thought you were talking their vid cards |
| 08:12.12 | hckz4u | i know age is no excuse but i'm 15 and having used windows till last year has really babied me |
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| 08:12.26 | purplelahma | hckz4u: I have garbage of a gf4mx 440 and ge 200,000 / sec, what do you get? |
| 08:12.26 | chemicallyrelian | is he local root exploit in 2.2 series kernel? |
| 08:12.34 | purplelahma | McQuaid: hrmm |
| 08:12.53 | hckz4u | its goin |
| 08:13.11 | purplelahma | McQuaid: look at /etc/X11/xinitrc , do you have that file? |
| 08:13.11 | hckz4u | this is weird shit |
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| 08:13.35 | purplelahma | hckz4u: lol x11perf is standard x11 benchmark suite :) |
| 08:14.10 | hckz4u | ( 36200.0/sec) |
| 08:14.23 | purplelahma | McQuaid: there should be something like userresources=$HOME/.Xresources and sysresources=/etc/X11/Xresources |
| 08:14.30 | hckz4u | my gfx drivers arent installed |
| 08:14.32 | hckz4u | lol |
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| 08:14.40 | purplelahma | McQuaid: something like that in there |
| 08:14.45 | McQuaid | yes i got that |
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| 08:14.56 | McQuaid | well under /etc/X11/xinit |
| 08:15.17 | purplelahma | McQuaid: then you need to change the one in your home directory, coz that gets sourced overrides the system wide |
| 08:15.32 | purplelahma | McQuaid: or just edit systemwide |
| 08:15.47 | Nurbs | purplelahma: (3580000.0/sec) on a geforce fx 5600 |
| 08:16.00 | McQuaid | ok i'll try that thx |
| 08:16.02 | purplelahma | McQuaid: look in there for xft things, look |
| 08:16.21 | purplelahma | kl |
| 08:16.25 | purplelahma | fsenhjklefieros |
| 08:16.30 | purplelahma | Nurbs !!!!!!! |
| 08:16.31 | hckz4u | thats what i have and i get shitty results, i guess u guys must not be usin the nv driver |
| 08:16.31 | gust123 | any body know how to use irc sms bot ? help me plz |
| 08:16.35 | purplelahma | OMFG! |
| 08:16.49 | diego | bztunk that didnt work |
| 08:17.02 | purplelahma | Nurbs: what sort of cpu you have? |
| 08:17.06 | bztunk | omg can someone else help diego to set up dhcp |
| 08:17.06 | Nurbs | purplelahma :) XP 2500+ |
| 08:17.29 | purplelahma | Nurbs: is that an ultra ? |
| 08:18.03 | Nurbs | purplelahma: CPU or GPU? it's a geforce fx 5600, don't think ultra or anything |
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| 08:18.15 | McQuaid | nothing regarding xft |
| 08:18.18 | purplelahma | Nurbs: maybe you wanna trade for a radeon 9600xt lol |
| 08:18.22 | Nurbs | heh |
| 08:18.38 | bztunk | purplelahma: i'll kill you if you exchange an ATI for a nvidia card |
| 08:18.38 | DarioT | a little question, is better to updtae to sarge or sid? |
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| 08:18.51 | Nurbs | I'd just like some more stability, going to try nv at some point |
| 08:18.56 | Nurbs | don't need speed ... |
| 08:18.58 | hckz4u | whats the best gfx card thats affordable on the market right now |
| 08:18.59 | holy_cow | dario, depends on your needs |
| 08:19.00 | purplelahma | McQuaid: you look in kdm or gdm config files for font config references? |
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| 08:19.10 | GhostDawg | Dariot: I upgrade to Sid |
| 08:19.11 | purplelahma | bztunk: LOL |
| 08:19.16 | holy_cow | if you need a workstation with some of the latest software, use sarge |
| 08:19.19 | GhostDawg | it was better for me |
| 08:19.26 | holy_cow | if you need bleeding dge where stuff might be borked, sid :) |
| 08:19.37 | bztunk | purplelahma: hehehe. especialy if you have a radeon 9600xt! |
| 08:19.56 | bztunk | hckz4u: quality/price? 9600xt |
| 08:19.57 | purplelahma | bztunk: well it is a really nice one I guess heh |
| 08:20.11 | purplelahma | it is a 9600xt ultra |
| 08:20.16 | purplelahma | :p |
| 08:20.21 | DarioT | holy_cow: I've an iMac and I've te sources only for sid, and now i'm upgrading to sid, but if i found the sources for sarge I can try sarge too |
| 08:20.23 | bztunk | i want one :( |
| 08:20.31 | Nurbs | purplelahma: oops, I'm sorry. been missing one a *g* retesting |
| 08:20.35 | purplelahma | bztunk: can get one for 175 usd |
| 08:20.44 | bztunk | purplelahma: yeah, but i don't work :D |
| 08:20.52 | bztunk | I'm 19.. i should start working grrr |
| 08:21.03 | purplelahma | bztunk: neither do I, I sell my childhoos treasures hehe |
| 08:21.06 | bztunk | fuck the internet, it fucked up my life |
| 08:21.10 | purplelahma | childhood |
| 08:21.13 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 08:21.21 | streuner | holy_cow: hm, might be that sarge is at the moment stuck in another process... |
| 08:21.22 | hckz4u | is debian better than redhat when it comes to webhosting? |
| 08:21.30 | purplelahma | how did it foobaroo you, bztunk? |
| 08:21.36 | bender_ | mmm internet, bringer of the pr0n |
| 08:21.40 | Nurbs | purplelahma: hm, aaftext gives the same results as aftext... :) |
| 08:21.48 | calamari_ | okay, I've figured out the ifconfig and route settings that I need.. which file do they go in so they are loaded at boot? |
| 08:22.03 | bztunk | purplelahma: like, i was 14, i had girl friends, i played baseball, etc. and then the internet came |
| 08:22.11 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 08:22.12 | bztunk | purplelahma: i didn't get out once this summer |
| 08:22.13 | DarioT | anyone have the sources for the ppc sarge? |
| 08:22.25 | Nurbs | bztunk: now you're 1337 |
| 08:22.27 | hckz4u | well i still have a gf, but internet comes 1st |
| 08:22.29 | Nurbs | bztunk: girls dig that ;) |
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| 08:22.51 | McQuaid | bztunk, pick up the bat, call that girl and grab a beer quick man before it's too late!!! |
| 08:22.52 | purplelahma | Nurbs: sounds like you don't use xrender for AA fonts.. I built all my X stuff by hand.. |
| 08:22.54 | bender_ | hckz4u: gotta have priorities |
| 08:23.09 | bztunk | McQuaid: it's already too late haha |
| 08:23.24 | purplelahma | Nurbs: with -aftext I get ~ 3,000,000 / sec |
| 08:23.25 | GhostDawg | yeah let gf come first |
| 08:23.27 | hckz4u | poll: if u had the chance to get a hot chick and get laid 2 times a week or have a computer which would it be? |
| 08:23.27 | GhostDawg | its more funh |
| 08:23.29 | GhostDawg | fun |
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| 08:23.47 | bztunk | hckz4u: the computer for sure! duh! |
| 08:23.48 | Nurbs | purplelahma: no idea :) I think xft and xfree 4.3 from experimental... |
| 08:23.52 | purplelahma | Nurbs: that is strange man, I get more than you with a POS card and my cpu is way slower than yours.. |
| 08:23.53 | hckz4u | lol |
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| 08:24.16 | Nurbs | purplelahma: you get more? |
| 08:24.18 | purplelahma | I have an athlon |
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| 08:24.25 | hckz4u | yea the computer provides enough hot chiks |
| 08:24.27 | purplelahma | vanilla |
| 08:24.30 | bztunk | i remember using internet mail&news with ie 3.2 |
| 08:24.42 | bztunk | & my 485 |
| 08:24.43 | bztunk | *6 |
| 08:25.03 | GhostDawg | hckz4u: but real hot chicks will be way more fun then computer |
| 08:25.06 | purplelahma | Nurbs: considering you get no AA fonts hehe ;) |
| 08:25.10 | hckz4u | hell yea |
| 08:25.14 | bztunk | hckz4u: seriously, the computer-provided pr0n sucks so much, i'm so tired |
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| 08:25.34 | bztunk | hckz4u: strips clubs are better, but you can't fuck them |
| 08:25.35 | Nurbs | purplelahma: Hmm. I do have AA running here, but I guess that's different... I never really understood all the font rendering X does ;) |
| 08:25.38 | aLIENhEAD | anyone happen to sell linux shells for east coast us? im looking to run gamin servers on a unix box! msg me |
| 08:25.43 | hckz4u | plus i'm 15 |
| 08:25.45 | colde89 | is it possible to install a ethernetconnecion without cdrom yust based on floppy - (driver) disks ?? |
| 08:25.47 | purplelahma | bztunk: then control yourself and stop playing with the monkey before you go blind |
| 08:25.48 | hckz4u | so i wouoldnt know |
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| 08:26.00 | McQuaid | sigh, i don't actually 'use' linux, i just keep trying to fix things. |
| 08:26.06 | bztunk | purplelahma: or kill all the kittens? |
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| 08:26.20 | bztunk | McQuaid: that's what geeks fdo |
| 08:26.21 | bztunk | *do |
| 08:26.24 | purplelahma | Nurbs: yeah AA fonts with Xrender suck your cpu down the drain.. you are probably better off with bitmaps than ttf heh |
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| 08:26.56 | bztunk | Nurbs: why to you want fonts performance? i mean, what does it give you? |
| 08:27.24 | purplelahma | Nurbs: like with AA fonts, goto a long document like a 3MB /var/log/messages, open it in gedit or kedit and drag from top to bottom as fast as you can... lagodelic |
| 08:27.28 | Nurbs | bztunk: smoother display. but it's smooth enough, I'm not complaining :) I was just running that benchmark :> |
| 08:27.39 | Nurbs | gedit? kedit? :> |
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| 08:27.53 | Nurbs | it's quite fast in emacs or gvim ;) |
| 08:27.57 | purplelahma | jsut examples of xrender-enabled AA font progz |
| 08:28.01 | normalperson | I feel like I forgot to put on my glasses when I look at AA fonts :/ |
| 08:28.02 | Nurbs | heh |
| 08:28.18 | Nurbs | I don't always like AA fonts |
| 08:28.24 | normalperson | I love the sharp pixelation, actually |
| 08:28.48 | aLIENhEAD | anyone happen to sell linux shells for east coast us? im looking to run gamin servers on a unix box! msg me |
| 08:28.48 | purplelahma | it's just nobody builds freetype correctly in any flavour yet |
| 08:29.01 | bztunk | aLIENhEAD: that's not the channel to ask kthx |
| 08:29.17 | purplelahma | you have to build yourself .. blech |
| 08:29.17 | GhostDawg | what is a linux shell? |
| 08:29.26 | bztunk | GhostDawg: bash! |
| 08:29.35 | GhostDawg | you can sell that? |
| 08:29.47 | purplelahma | GhostDawg: goto the ocean or a lake |
| 08:29.48 | GhostDawg | he mean scripts? |
| 08:29.49 | bztunk | aLIENhEAD: I'll sell you bash 3.0.4 for 50$ |
| 08:29.52 | normalperson | he meant an account on somebody elses computer (preferably a fast one with a fast connection) |
| 08:29.54 | purplelahma | GhostDawg: then dig around in the sand a bit |
| 08:30.02 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 08:30.11 | GhostDawg | ok, he mean a shell account |
| 08:30.12 | GhostDawg | ic |
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| 08:30.25 | GhostDawg | he should check with ISPs |
| 08:30.40 | purplelahma | or somebody with a OC-8 |
| 08:30.50 | Nurbs | OC-192 :> |
| 08:30.53 | purplelahma | or even a DS3 |
| 08:31.15 | purplelahma | heh |
| 08:31.18 | bztunk | I want to build my own isp |
| 08:31.23 | bztunk | only for the speed |
| 08:31.28 | themo|ester | bztunk who doesn't? |
| 08:31.34 | bztunk | hehe |
| 08:31.46 | bztunk | i want 1u blade servers |
| 08:31.49 | bztunk | dual opterons |
| 08:31.53 | bztunk | with pci-x |
| 08:31.53 | Nurbs | it's not too hard to create some gbit backbone... for 1 or 2 houses... |
| 08:31.54 | GhostDawg | I seen a Howto on making your own DSL connection |
| 08:31.57 | bztunk | and gbit stuff |
| 08:32.03 | purplelahma | screw it, you just want to go looking around your neighborhood for a 2 and 1/2 foot tall pillar-like metallic object that says 'property of <insert phone co.>' |
| 08:32.16 | McQuaid | and btw, in kdm icewm is no longer there, how do i add it again? |
| 08:32.31 | McQuaid | i hate looking for a solution for a problem i solved months ago |
| 08:32.40 | McQuaid | damn brain not retaining |
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| 08:32.50 | purplelahma | drain bamage, McQuaid? |
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| 08:32.56 | GhostDawg | McQuaid, start documenting |
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| 08:33.04 | bztunk | i want firewire scsi |
| 08:33.15 | bztunk | er, fiber optics scsi |
| 08:33.22 | JimButton | bztunk: buy an apple computer then |
| 08:33.29 | McQuaid | moo tany joints in my youth |
| 08:33.30 | purplelahma | McQuaid: locate kdmrc |
| 08:33.31 | JimButton | oh |
| 08:33.33 | GhostDawg | I wanted a Flat Panel for xmas but santa skipped my house |
| 08:33.37 | bztunk | JimButton: hahaaha :D |
| 08:33.54 | bztunk | I want a apple 23" cinema display |
| 08:34.08 | purplelahma | McQuaid: nothin wrong with some skankodelia |
| 08:34.10 | JimButton | technically this iPod here is a firewire scsi device... |
| 08:34.12 | seokom | me too |
| 08:34.15 | purplelahma | McQuaid: LOL |
| 08:34.23 | McQuaid | heh |
| 08:34.27 | JimButton | as is my CD burner |
| 08:34.32 | GhostDawg | don't bogard that joint my friend |
| 08:34.42 | JimButton | GhostDawg: pass it over to me |
| 08:34.44 | bztunk | JimButton: firewire doesn't look that bad |
| 08:34.52 | purplelahma | McQuaid: or you could just do a sudo kdm_config |
| 08:34.52 | bztunk | JimButton: but fiber optics.. unf |
| 08:35.02 | purplelahma | McQuaid: to do it graphically |
| 08:35.03 | GhostDawg | :o) |
| 08:35.43 | purplelahma | I benchmarked my RV200 before I procured new cards... |
| 08:35.51 | purplelahma | XF86 4.2 |
| 08:35.56 | bztunk | JimButton: how does linux handles the ipod? does it mount it as a drive automaticly? |
| 08:36.02 | purplelahma | aaftext: 10k / sec |
| 08:36.08 | purplelahma | XF86 4.3 |
| 08:36.16 | purplelahma | aaftext: 60k /sec |
| 08:36.16 | McQuaid | tried to run kdm_config and got: This program is part of kdm and should not be run manually. |
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| 08:36.31 | JimButton | bztunk: not really, but you may be able to configure it that way with hotplug and automount or such |
| 08:36.32 | purplelahma | XF86 with XIG drivers: |
| 08:36.41 | JimButton | bztunk: i am happy to mount it by hand |
| 08:36.48 | purplelahma | aaftedxt: 600k / sec |
| 08:36.53 | bztunk | JimButton: ok, so you can mount it by hand, good |
| 08:36.56 | purplelahma | aaftext heh |
| 08:36.58 | JimButton | yes |
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| 08:37.04 | purplelahma | that is 10 TIMES as fast |
| 08:37.07 | bztunk | JimButton: with usb2 or/and firewire? |
| 08:37.14 | purplelahma | on a radeon 7500!!! |
| 08:37.14 | JimButton | bztunk: i converted it to FAT though, originally it was HFS+ |
| 08:37.19 | JimButton | bztunk: firewire |
| 08:37.28 | JimButton | bztunk: you can use USB, too |
| 08:37.29 | bztunk | JimButton: you can't read HFS+? |
| 08:37.38 | JimButton | bztunk: the linux tools for HFS+ are crap |
| 08:37.39 | purplelahma | but no xvidmode on XIG so I sold the card LOL |
| 08:37.45 | bztunk | JimButton: lol ok |
| 08:37.52 | dondelelcaro | with 2.4.23 you can read (and write) HFS+ |
| 08:38.01 | JimButton | bztunk: well, HFS+ is a strange filesystem |
| 08:38.09 | dondelelcaro | reading works fine, but writing is probably not a good idea. |
| 08:38.26 | purplelahma | McQuaid: just run kcontrol and go select it in there then |
| 08:38.36 | McQuaid | dont have kde installed |
| 08:38.40 | JimButton | fortunately the iPod firmware can handle FAT |
| 08:38.42 | McQuaid | just icewm |
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| 08:38.53 | JimButton | because they want to sell to windows users... |
| 08:39.01 | bztunk | McQuaid: use xdm then |
| 08:39.04 | purplelahma | McQuaid: that is why there is funky jizz-banger of a control panel.. wtf then why you want to run kdm!? |
| 08:39.06 | bztunk | McQuaid: and .xsession |
| 08:39.27 | purplelahma | nah.. apt-get install wdm |
| 08:39.28 | bztunk | JimButton: yeah i know |
| 08:39.31 | krayzone | i got a question, how do you install the new kde in debian, im new to it, and there is no install in the archive? |
| 08:39.40 | purplelahma | wdm easy to config McQuaid |
| 08:39.50 | purplelahma | and is faster |
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| 08:40.29 | bztunk | never tried to configure wdm |
| 08:40.35 | bztunk | purplelahma: tried windowmaker and gnustep? |
| 08:40.48 | purplelahma | bztunk: like years ago |
| 08:41.02 | bztunk | purplelahma: well, i think gnustep is better now :D |
| 08:41.14 | krayzone | i got a question, how do you install the new kde in debian, im new to it, and there is no install in the archive? |
| 08:41.15 | bztunk | purplelahma: it's still.. hum.. strange |
| 08:41.26 | purplelahma | bztunk: still looking for something as feature-rich as nautilus or konqueror for a filemanager |
| 08:41.50 | bztunk | purplelahma: gnustep has a file manager... |
| 08:41.53 | purplelahma | bztunk: strange? |
| 08:41.54 | McQuaid | i run kdm because of this strange anomaly called a gf |
| 08:41.57 | bztunk | purplelahma: kinda like the finder |
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| 08:42.05 | krayzone | does anyone in here know hwo to install anything in debian? |
| 08:42.05 | McQuaid | she's like startx? wtf where's my gui |
| 08:42.09 | bztunk | purplelahma: well, next stuff is crazy |
| 08:42.16 | bztunk | ~lart krayzone |
| 08:42.28 | krayzone | lart? |
| 08:42.34 | purplelahma | bztunk: I don't agree unless you mean macstuff lol |
| 08:42.57 | bztunk | purplelahma: anyways, i'm happy with ratpoison now |
| 08:42.58 | purplelahma | McQuaid: hehe.. well what window manager she run? |
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| 08:43.14 | aLIENhEAD | anyone here have 5-10gb of space they could rent me on a really good connection in the east coast of us! msg me |
| 08:43.19 | McQuaid | whats funny is just searching deja, a few people all have had the same kdm/icewm prob and they said they have it cause of a girlfriend |
| 08:43.28 | purplelahma | bztunk: ratpoison huh, I thought that was dropped by dev? Isn't that based on ancient blackbox or.. |
| 08:43.39 | bztunk | purplelahma: no and no |
| 08:43.42 | McQuaid | icewm, it's just she wanted it to start automagically or login at least , not have a cli to start |
| 08:43.44 | purplelahma | LOL McQuaid |
| 08:43.49 | bztunk | purplelahma: it fullscreens everything |
| 08:43.57 | bztunk | purplelahma: and only use keystrokes |
| 08:44.01 | Xenocide | heh, you're funny mcquaid |
| 08:44.07 | Xenocide | i hope you meant that as a joke |
| 08:44.31 | purplelahma | bztunk: oh, is that where you can parition the screen into areas, or does it use funky tabs |
| 08:44.44 | purplelahma | bztunk: I just use xbindkeys |
| 08:44.49 | calamari_ | I need to install GTK and glib. Is that where packages.debian.org comes in ? |
| 08:45.02 | calamari_ | (ie I don't know the package names) |
| 08:45.12 | bztunk | purplelahma: ion uses tabs, not ratpoison |
| 08:45.24 | bztunk | purplelahma: ratpoison doesn't have tabs, decorations, it has nothing! |
| 08:45.31 | purplelahma | bztunk: heh |
| 08:45.38 | arauko | anyones knows what package contain import? |
| 08:45.41 | bztunk | purplelahma: you don't need xbindkeys with ratpoison :D |
| 08:45.44 | purplelahma | bztunk: you try uwm from UDE? |
| 08:45.47 | Xenocide | calamari_: apt-cache search will help you instead |
| 08:45.49 | McQuaid | heh, i try to be funny when i can, but i'm serious there she said, 'wtf is that, i gotta type startx to start? that sucks' |
| 08:45.50 | bztunk | ~find import |
| 08:45.55 | calamari_ | xenocide: thanks :) |
| 08:45.58 | purplelahma | bztunk: pie-menus rule :p |
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| 08:46.12 | steve123 | ls |
| 08:46.17 | steve123 | hello ! |
| 08:46.25 | arauko | bztunk, im lloking for the program to take screenshot |
| 08:46.32 | bztunk | arauko: imagemagik |
| 08:46.34 | arauko | bztunk, do you know any good? |
| 08:46.40 | purplelahma | McQuaid: why don't you just add startx to automagically begin when she logs in? |
| 08:46.46 | arauko | bztunk, yeah, but apt-cache doent fin it |
| 08:46.48 | bztunk | ~info pie-menus |
| 08:46.56 | bztunk | arauko: it's in imagemagik i'm sure |
| 08:47.09 | calamari_ | xenocide: is there also a way to find out what I already have installed? |
| 08:47.12 | arauko | bztunk, ok, but apt-cache doesnt find imagemagik |
| 08:47.20 | Xenocide | calamari_: check the #debian faq |
| 08:47.22 | madness | you don't need imagemagick to take a screenshot |
| 08:47.24 | purplelahma | magick |
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| 08:47.27 | purplelahma | with a c |
| 08:47.35 | calamari_ | xenocide: okay will do |
| 08:47.55 | Xenocide | its a little compilcated and i dont remember, but i remember its there |
| 08:47.59 | bztunk | arauko: imagemagick, yes :D |
| 08:48.03 | arauko | haha |
| 08:48.05 | arauko | ahnks |
| 08:48.09 | arauko | thanks |
| 08:48.10 | arauko | :-) |
| 08:48.14 | Nurbs | calamari_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:48.17 | purplelahma | !lart arauko |
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| 08:48.34 | McQuaid | oh i don't know anymore.... she wants that warm and fuzzy feelin from clicking on her name and typing her pass instead of seeing the dreaded console ever |
| 08:48.40 | steve123 | i'm looking for an ide to develop programs in C or C++. Can you advise me ? |
| 08:48.52 | mateusz | Hi, while ftp.de.debian.org is down can I have in the same source.list other mirrors ? secondary ? |
| 08:48.56 | calamari_ | nurbs: thanks! |
| 08:49.02 | bztunk | steve123: vim |
| 08:49.04 | dondelelcaro | steve123: repeat after me. "I do not want an IDE" "I want to use the GNU Toolchain" |
| 08:49.04 | mateusz | steve123: anjuta |
| 08:49.05 | arauko | purplelahma, ha, dont blame me dude.. another guy also told speleed like that |
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| 08:49.13 | McQuaid | and she keeps buggin me for my password, she's like why do u have your own login and i have mine, can't we share it? |
| 08:49.31 | bztunk | steve123: vim, emacs, anjuta, kdelevop, gedit, eclipse, etc |
| 08:49.59 | purplelahma | McQuaid: that's a woman for ya, but if it were reversed.. wouldn't you crack her pword and go look at what she had in her ~ ? |
| 08:50.05 | steve123 | bztunk : i can write in c with eclipse i though it was only for java ? |
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| 08:50.19 | bztunk | steve123: there's a plugin, but it's not in debian afaik |
| 08:50.29 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: this is why you need > 1 machine. |
| 08:50.37 | McQuaid | i'd say |
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| 08:50.38 | steve123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.46 | mateusz | bztunk: C, C++ is there a plugin for eclipse to work with C, C++ projects ? Even if there is anjuta supports gtk2 gnome2 , wxwindows projects |
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| 08:50.56 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice IDE |
| 08:51.07 | purplelahma | lol |
| 08:51.18 | bztunk | mateusz: yes there is, and yeah i know about anjuta :D |
| 08:51.30 | mateusz | bztunk: I thought so too |
| 08:51.54 | GhostDawg | doobie brothers |
| 08:51.57 | purplelahma | McQuaid: you need to lay off that stuff for 3 years |
| 08:52.07 | McQuaid | why 3? |
| 08:52.13 | purplelahma | McQuaid: and then, only if you feel normal, then you can start again... |
| 08:52.21 | Xenocide | McQuaid: as much as i hate to admit it, XP has a very nice feature |
| 08:52.28 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: there's no way to define "normal" |
| 08:52.28 | McQuaid | and i would, but i'd lose track ;) |
| 08:52.30 | mateusz | OK can I keep diffrent mirrors addreses in my source.list ? |
| 08:52.39 | purplelahma | McQuaid: coz your brain needs to rest |
| 08:52.43 | bztunk | Xenocide: NO XP SUCKS STFU |
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| 08:53.01 | Xenocide | its got a "switch users" deal that will background the desktop user so someone else can use it |
| 08:53.31 | purplelahma | dondelelcaro: doesn't matter, he is defining himself so he can choose how he feels, unless you want to feel him. what are you h0/\/\0? lol... |
| 08:53.31 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: you can do the same in unix using xmove. |
| 08:53.48 | paul | is kde broken in sarge? |
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| 08:53.56 | GhostDawg | you can also use Ctrl-Alt Fkey |
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| 08:54.14 | madness | Xenocide: you can run multiple desktops with different users. |
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| 08:54.27 | GhostDawg | windows just now using that |
| 08:54.29 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 08:54.31 | paul | is kde broken in sarge? |
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| 08:54.41 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: you don't seem to understand. It's not possible for an individual inside their body to accurately figure out if they're brain is normal or not. They may be able to figure out if they're abnormal, but they can't conclusively say that they're normal. |
| 08:54.44 | SlayerXP | paul: don't repeat |
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| 08:55.08 | streuner | paul: /list #debian-kde and read the /topic |
| 08:55.17 | purplelahma | if you use DRI or any proprietary binary driver for XF 4.x, it is not advisable to run multiple simultaneous X-sessions concurently |
| 08:55.27 | purplelahma | dondelelcaro: that is subjective |
| 08:55.35 | madness | "normal" ? |
| 08:55.48 | purplelahma | there is a thing called free will |
| 08:55.50 | madness | for what definition of normal ? |
| 08:55.53 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: no, its an absolute. Any observations made from inside a system are relative to the system. |
| 08:55.54 | bztunk | wow, we became #psychology |
| 08:56.00 | purplelahma | haha |
| 08:56.02 | bztunk | what is real? |
| 08:56.09 | paul | SlayerXP: bah, client locked up, i didn't think the first query went through |
| 08:56.15 | bztunk | is there a universal truth? |
| 08:56.26 | Xenocide | bztunk: its better than "hate on bush" or "stfu u stupid n00b" |
| 08:56.28 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: that's orthogonal |
| 08:56.41 | purplelahma | drop the science and dig the metaphysics yo |
| 08:56.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: 'normal' is that what the society declair as 'norm' |
| 08:56.46 | bztunk | Xenocide: where's the WMD??? |
| 08:56.48 | holy_cow | hahaha xeno |
| 08:56.51 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:56.52 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: orthogonal? |
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| 08:57.10 | dondelelcaro | !dict orthogonal |
| 08:57.25 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: why not hexagonal? |
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| 08:57.37 | Xenocide | bztunk: the one place bush would never look: on his female white house aides! |
| 08:57.44 | McQuaid | ya ever think we're in the matrix and the 1st movie was a hack into the matrix trying to free our minds? |
| 08:57.46 | Wad | . |
| 08:57.52 | purplelahma | I could run up the side of a 3-story building with nothing but shoes but you wouldn't believe me unless you saw it for yourself, huh dondelelcaro? |
| 08:57.54 | bztunk | Xenocide: haha |
| 08:58.25 | madness | McQuaid: oh my god, that's such a nerdy thing to say. |
| 08:58.27 | purplelahma | McQuaid: concrete rage 8) |
| 08:58.33 | madness | McQuaid: :P |
| 08:58.55 | helix | wtf |
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| 08:58.58 | helix | retard |
| 08:58.58 | GhostDawg | free your mind and your ass will follow |
| 08:59.06 | McQuaid | ok thats' my nerdy sense of humour |
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| 08:59.23 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: you seem not to understand. It's not possible for you to know if you're currently sitting on a planet going around a sun without looking at a frame of reference outside of the planet itself. |
| 08:59.45 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i don't understand the orthogonal shit? |
| 08:59.55 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: look it up in a dictionary. |
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| 09:00.07 | helix | "look it up dear" |
| 09:00.08 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: apt-get install dict; dict orthogonal |
| 09:00.09 | bztunk | ~dict test |
| 09:00.18 | bztunk | dpkg: dict test |
| 09:00.28 | bztunk | ravenbird: dict test |
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| 09:00.32 | bztunk | wtf is up with the bots |
| 09:00.35 | purplelahma | dondelelcaro: what I understand? |
| 09:00.38 | purplelahma | LOLLLLLLL |
| 09:00.48 | purplelahma | dondelelcaro: it is a matter of opinion, |
| 09:00.50 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: dict currently takes a while to return. |
| 09:00.51 | helix | !aolify purplelahma |
| 09:01.10 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: uh, no. Relativity and reference frames are not a matter of opinion. |
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| 09:01.38 | purplelahma | irrelevant. you will be ass-inhalated, dondelelcaro |
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| 09:01.44 | SlayerXP | eeee, good fun |
| 09:01.48 | madness | dondelelcaro: though whether there is such a thing as "normal" is. |
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| 09:01.54 | SlayerXP | 2.6.0 plus usb webcam == lock solid |
| 09:01.57 | madness | dk |
| 09:02.04 | madness | dondelelcaro: at least in terms of people. |
| 09:02.04 | pzrael | hey all, how can i change my console resolution? |
| 09:02.07 | purplelahma | it is a small mind that confines ones-self to conventional thought dondelelcaro |
| 09:02.10 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.10 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.12 | bztunk | wow |
| 09:02.15 | helix | haha.. oh boy |
| 09:02.22 | bztunk | i learned something |
| 09:02.28 | esop | Time: is so everything doesn't happen at once. Space: is so everything doesn't happen to you! |
| 09:02.29 | purplelahma | :pb |
| 09:02.30 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, you probably don't believe aliens exist either! |
| 09:02.52 | matt_ | can someone running testing paste the result of "md5sum /bin/ps" ?? |
| 09:03.01 | dondelelcaro | madness: oh, sure. I'm just saying that you can't figure out if you're normal or not by self reflection. you have to compare to something outside, and since that can be manipulated, you can never know if you're normal or not. [whatever normal is] |
| 09:03.10 | streuner | helix: somethimes i have doubts :-) |
| 09:03.11 | bztunk | 22faedbf8c502d16997668a0fa3f82a5 /bin/ps |
| 09:03.16 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. I actually don't believe either way... |
| 09:03.22 | bztunk | matt_: not running testing :D |
| 09:03.29 | chemicallyrelian | slayerXP did yo umean lock(ed) up solid, or rock solid? |
| 09:03.32 | helix | dondelelcaro: not that it's really relevant or anything.. ;) |
| 09:03.49 | SlayerXP | chemicallyrelian: the former |
| 09:03.51 | dondelelcaro | helix: I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I'd be really surprised if they showed up. |
| 09:04.00 | helix | bigfoot might have been a better example :) |
| 09:04.14 | purplelahma | heh... conformist! |
| 09:04.29 | purplelahma | moot |
| 09:04.30 | matt_ | no one running testing? |
| 09:04.43 | helix | some guy at my job sent me to a stupid website about alien's.. and swears he's seen a UFO |
| 09:04.55 | helix | "they're real. i can't believe you're so closed-minded." |
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| 09:04.59 | holy_cow | he's also been "probed" helix |
| 09:04.59 | purplelahma | previous state before smokage as reference, POV unnecessary |
| 09:05.02 | holy_cow | but not by aliens |
| 09:05.05 | mateusz | Why ftp.de.debian.org is DOWN ? |
| 09:05.10 | purplelahma | holy_cow: RFLOL |
| 09:05.13 | helix | holy_cow: dude, seriously, he thinks humans are "tainted" ever since roswell |
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| 09:05.17 | helix | he is off his fucking rocker |
| 09:05.24 | chemicallyrelian | slayerXP did it lock up when you plugged it in or when you treid to access it with <insert application> |
| 09:05.26 | holy_cow | heheh :) yep yep |
| 09:05.34 | bztunk | argh |
| 09:05.34 | bztunk | 4a |
| 09:05.35 | bztunk | m |
| 09:05.37 | SlayerXP | chemicallyrelian: both, in fact. |
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| 09:05.45 | SlayerXP | the latter seems more to blame |
| 09:05.53 | mateusz | Can I somehow get some packages without using apt-get update from diffrent mirrors ? |
| 09:06.16 | bztunk | mateusz: you can install packages manually with dpkg |
| 09:06.22 | dondelelcaro | purplelahma: if you modulate your brain, theres no way you can compare to your state before. [unless you're taking IQ tests or something] |
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| 09:06.46 | chemicallyrelian | we have people here who do sacrifices + other stuff. |
| 09:06.51 | GhostDawg | maggot brain |
| 09:06.55 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice chemicallyrelian |
| 09:07.02 | mateusz | bztunk: OK I'll get it from web |
| 09:07.04 | dondelelcaro | chemicallyrelian: we have bots to do that here... |
| 09:07.04 | SlayerXP | helix: you know that just turns me on |
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| 09:07.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'orthogonal' (2 shown; 3 total): statistically unrelated ;; having a set of mutually perpendicular axes; meeting at right angles; "wind and sea may displace the ship's center of gravity along three orthogonal axes"; "a rectangular Cartesian coordinate system" . |
| 09:07.17 | bztunk | haaha |
| 09:07.26 | mateusz | bztunk: cause my mirros in source.list are down and I don't like to change them |
| 09:07.27 | dondelelcaro | yerp. 10 minutes later, dict returns. |
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| 09:07.32 | helix | haha |
| 09:07.41 | mateusz | bztunk: packages.debian.org is down at the moment |
| 09:07.53 | holy_cow | #, meet mateusz |
| 09:07.58 | holy_cow | mateusz, meet # |
| 09:07.59 | holy_cow | :D |
| 09:08.01 | GhostDawg | mateusz, just rename the old one and create a new one for temp |
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| 09:08.06 | holy_cow | hehe sorry just bein' a smart arse |
| 09:08.07 | holy_cow | hehe :) |
| 09:08.11 | mateusz | holy_cow: I haven't seen the topic |
| 09:08.14 | mateusz | holy_cow: Isorry |
| 09:08.20 | holy_cow | no for what? |
| 09:08.21 | helix | how do you miss the topic? |
| 09:08.25 | holy_cow | hehe that was funny :) |
| 09:08.31 | cafuego | topic? |
| 09:08.37 | dondelelcaro | helix: lame client that lists everyone in the channel, I'd guess. |
| 09:08.39 | helix | !topicsmite cafuego |
| 09:08.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cafuego. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:08.48 | mateusz | packages.debian.org is down at the moment ? |
| 09:08.57 | dondelelcaro | !pdo |
| 09:08.57 | dpkg | somebody said pdo was http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 09:09.00 | helix | dondelelcaro: i guess.. all the clients i've used have listed the channel and the topic |
| 09:09.09 | holy_cow | mat, use one of the other mirrors |
| 09:09.23 | dondelelcaro | !pdo is also since pdo is dead, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:09.23 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 09:09.24 | holy_cow | http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ <-- that is up |
| 09:09.26 | cafuego | helix: Actually, my client lists the topic in the parent window. |
| 09:09.28 | McQuaid | i think a gui should be made for every config file there is in linux |
| 09:09.38 | bztunk | !pdo |
| 09:09.38 | dpkg | pdo is probably http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or since pdo is dead, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:09.40 | helix | ah, mine probably does too.. |
| 09:09.46 | helix | it's not like *I* read the topic either |
| 09:09.50 | chemicallyrelian | naw, its like the michigan millita, but not yanks. and with masks. they were on the news. its probably just 5 guys from the football who fell in dirt and like to run around that way. |
| 09:09.51 | helix | but i did at first |
| 09:09.53 | bztunk | i like it when dpkg is like "ok" |
| 09:09.53 | cafuego | McQuaid: If you start coding now you'll probably be done by 2021 |
| 09:09.57 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: why don't you write it? or pay someone to? |
| 09:10.10 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 09:10.12 | McQuaid | righto! i'll get to it! |
| 09:10.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'test' (2 shown; 13 total): the act of undergoing testing; "he survived the great test of battle"; "candidates must compete in a trial of skill" ;; any standardized procedure for measuring sensitivity or memory or intelligence or aptitude or personality etc; "the test was standardized on a large sample of students". |
| 09:10.24 | bztunk | dpkg: stfu |
| 09:10.24 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 09:10.48 | bztunk | hum, why stfu is related to branden? |
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| 09:11.05 | cafuego | bztunk: look at the site |
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| 09:11.22 | purplelahma | i have seen that picture b4 |
| 09:11.24 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: the picuture used to say "How about a nice cup of Shut the FUCK Up?" |
| 09:11.24 | Brutus | cafuego, hehe |
| 09:11.29 | helix | bztunk: go there :) |
| 09:11.33 | McQuaid | the reason i mention that is because in windows, everything is done from the gui, and I think the brain can retain things more easily based on the visual location of where they are |
| 09:11.35 | helix | oh, is it gone/ |
| 09:11.37 | helix | :( |
| 09:11.45 | dondelelcaro | helix: he cropped it... the picture is still there... |
| 09:11.51 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: hahahah yeah i saw that picture already |
| 09:11.55 | purplelahma | ttp://www.kernel.dk |
| 09:12.09 | dondelelcaro | http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 09:12.10 | Wad | hey, what is the command to clear the screen? |
| 09:12.16 | dondelelcaro | Wad: clear |
| 09:12.18 | helix | McQuaid: but windows doesn't have tab completion |
| 09:12.20 | mateusz | CU |
| 09:12.22 | GhostDawg | McQuaid: You can use a file manager for that |
| 09:12.25 | mateusz | Thanks for help |
| 09:12.29 | McQuaid | so with windows i have no need for notes, but with linux i have notes on this config and that config up the wazoo |
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| 09:12.35 | PDani | hi |
| 09:12.35 | Wad | hmm |
| 09:12.43 | jm_ | helix: it has tab completion |
| 09:12.44 | bztunk | but why debian is still at xfree86 4.2.1? grrr |
| 09:12.44 | purplelahma | McQuaid: time for lindows.. LMAO |
| 09:12.45 | Wad | so simple :( |
| 09:12.47 | helix | McQuaid: you haven't figured out the sane placement of config files is all |
| 09:12.51 | Wad | oh, one more thing |
| 09:12.55 | dondelelcaro | !stfu =~ s#branden/#branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg# |
| 09:12.56 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 09:13.00 | Wad | does the vi command allow editing also? |
| 09:13.01 | helix | jm_: using.. what? |
| 09:13.08 | jm_ | helix: cmd.exe |
| 09:13.09 | PDani | how can i replace all Dos-style crlf characters to unix-style \n characters in a file |
| 09:13.09 | PDani | ? |
| 09:13.10 | GhostDawg | McQuaid: Maybe you're using the wrong distro |
| 09:13.17 | helix | i don't recall that having tab completion |
| 09:13.23 | dondelelcaro | !dos2unix |
| 09:13.24 | dpkg | methinks dos2unix is in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset |
| 09:13.25 | McQuaid | well doesn't help that in this distro it's here, this one they're over there, oh but in this one u do that... |
| 09:13.28 | ayanshola | hello |
| 09:13.31 | jm_ | well it's not enabled by default, but you can enable it by editing registry |
| 09:13.33 | dondelelcaro | PDani: ^^^^ |
| 09:13.35 | bztunk | helix: windows 2000 needs a reg fix, xp has it by default afaiik |
| 09:13.36 | helix | hahah |
| 09:13.37 | GhostDawg | rite |
| 09:13.38 | PDani | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 09:13.40 | calamari_ | lol, I've been suffering with vi and I've had nano here the whole time :) |
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| 09:13.44 | helix | i'd rather commit suicide than edit windows registry |
| 09:13.56 | GhostDawg | u need Mandrake, Suse etc for all graphical |
| 09:13.57 | bztunk | haha |
| 09:14.04 | dondelelcaro | helix: if you need a second for Sepuku I can fly out... |
| 09:14.10 | bztunk | windows's reg is so ugly |
| 09:14.11 | holy_cow | McQuaid: thats what all windows users say when they come to linux |
| 09:14.13 | helix | gee, thanks |
| 09:14.23 | Wad | what command allows editing of files? |
| 09:14.26 | helix | !be a linux barbie |
| 09:14.27 | holy_cow | what all windows users eventually realize is that a; they are stupid and b: they are stupid |
| 09:14.27 | dpkg | awwww, linux is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 09:14.30 | dondelelcaro | Wad: sensible-editor |
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| 09:14.32 | McQuaid | i've been using linux for about 2 years now, drifting back and forth between linux and windows |
| 09:14.35 | SlayerXP | Wad: notepad.exe |
| 09:14.41 | holy_cow | ck: also they are wrong... guis are for automating repetitive tasks |
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| 09:14.42 | Wad | slayerXP: no |
| 09:14.42 | purplelahma | mcedit |
| 09:14.43 | bztunk | helix: LOL |
| 09:14.54 | dondelelcaro | holy_cow: nah, that realization would require them to not be stupid. Most of them never realize it. |
| 09:14.54 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 09:15.01 | Wad | can i get most of those from the internet? |
| 09:15.04 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: not again hahaha |
| 09:15.07 | Wad | under "text" right? |
| 09:15.16 | purplelahma | gnu-mc |
| 09:15.17 | McQuaid | i'm not bashing linux, just thinking about how people more easily retain information |
| 09:15.20 | holy_cow | computing by and large is not a repetetive task and there always happen to be many permutations to every single situation - that means you need powerfull flexible tools and a brain. |
| 09:15.22 | purplelahma | aka midnight commander |
| 09:15.24 | GhostDawg | that like alot of users want to use Wine to run windows programs |
| 09:15.31 | GhostDawg | why not use windows to run windows program |
| 09:15.32 | holy_cow | <-- former windows junkie and ex stupid :) |
| 09:15.33 | holy_cow | heh |
| 09:15.38 | bztunk | McQuaid: configuring stuff is easy under linux, kthx |
| 09:15.39 | L00thar | Windows are for breaking. |
| 09:15.43 | holy_cow | altho wilson would beg to disagreee |
| 09:15.44 | holy_cow | hehe :) |
| 09:15.45 | helix | McQuaid: editing config files doesn't usually have to be done more than once though |
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| 09:15.54 | holy_cow | donde :) heh |
| 09:16.07 | dondelelcaro | holy_cow: you never stop being stupid, you just become less stupid... its a matter of degree... |
| 09:16.08 | Wad | damn it! i forgot that program you run to download programs :( |
| 09:16.09 | holy_cow | McQuaid: you will find out eventually that command line is way way faster than gui |
| 09:16.11 | bztunk | McQuaid: and you don't need to format again and again either |
| 09:16.12 | Wad | what is it again? |
| 09:16.18 | dondelelcaro | Wad: apt-get |
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| 09:16.19 | holy_cow | ahahaha donde :) well said |
| 09:16.24 | Wad | the other one? |
| 09:16.27 | jm_ | hopefully zemljanka commander will be better than mc |
| 09:16.30 | helix | aptitude? |
| 09:16.33 | krayzone | i have a question, does anyone know hot ot log into debain through gnome with the root account? |
| 09:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Wad: thare are 15 billion programs to download files. |
| 09:16.46 | bztunk | krayzone: don't do it |
| 09:16.46 | holy_cow | McQuaid: you are not entirely incorrect, you are simply biased because you are not profficient on the command line |
| 09:16.49 | Wad | the one with the entire list. was asked second in the installation |
| 09:16.50 | SlayerXP | krayzone: I have a question, what's debain? |
| 09:16.51 | dondelelcaro | krayzone: do NOT do that. |
| 09:16.55 | dondelelcaro | !debain |
| 09:16.56 | krayzone | why not |
| 09:16.56 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 09:16.59 | helix | bain de terre |
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| 09:17.01 | holy_cow | when you start to get a small inkling of whats oing on you wont be saying such things |
| 09:17.05 | krayzone | i need to edit a file, and it wont let me because im not in the root account |
| 09:17.08 | McQuaid | i'm pretty good with the cli, not really addressing speed, cause cli is way faster |
| 09:17.10 | holy_cow | i know, i didn't believe it either |
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| 09:17.19 | purplelahma | man visudo |
| 09:17.19 | jm_ | krayzone: man su |
| 09:17.20 | SlayerXP | krayzone: it must suck being you |
| 09:17.21 | dondelelcaro | krayzone: open a term, su to root, edit, exit. |
| 09:17.25 | krayzone | debian is a base system of linux |
| 09:17.28 | helix | !lart SlayerXP |
| 09:17.30 | bztunk | helix: bain de terre? bath of earth? |
| 09:17.31 | krayzone | yeah |
| 09:17.32 | holy_cow | my first words about linux were 'wtf, where is the goddamn uninstall applet' |
| 09:17.39 | purplelahma | nay, debian is GNU/Linux |
| 09:17.42 | helix | bztunk: i dunno.. it was a line of hair products back in the days |
| 09:17.42 | krayzone | term? |
| 09:17.45 | helix | i guess |
| 09:17.52 | krayzone | a console window? |
| 09:17.56 | bztunk | helix: wow, ok, that's interesting lol |
| 09:18.07 | helix | bztunk: fascinating, yeah |
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| 09:18.15 | holy_cow | also the other thing about building tools that i have seen, if it needs a gui it takes 10 times as much work to make the same tool |
| 09:18.21 | dondelelcaro | wrong again. Debian is the Universal OS. One of its incarnations is GNU/Linux, but there is a GNU/Hurd, GNU/NetBSD, NetBSD, and a few other variants. |
| 09:18.22 | helix | my brain is being put to good use |
| 09:18.27 | holy_cow | and it always does less than what you can do on command line *shrug* |
| 09:18.35 | purplelahma | haha |
| 09:18.41 | purplelahma | netbsd |
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| 09:18.47 | krayzone | yeah ok what ever, the same thing amlost |
| 09:18.49 | holy_cow | theres a place for guis, but it's for automating repetitive items |
| 09:18.52 | purplelahma | amiguous zealotry |
| 09:18.53 | holy_cow | hey! |
| 09:19.01 | tapia | hi |
| 09:19.04 | purplelahma | b |
| 09:19.06 | krayzone | dondel, what do you mean by the open term window and stuff? |
| 09:19.06 | helix | murderer |
| 09:19.08 | tapia | I get this error on apt-get update: |
| 09:19.13 | tapia | W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 09:19.15 | helix | aw |
| 09:19.15 | dondelelcaro | helix: I find my brain quite usefull at keeping my eyeballs from falling back into my skull... |
| 09:19.20 | tapia | how can I get this public key? |
| 09:19.24 | helix | dondelelcaro: now there's a use i never thought of.. |
| 09:19.28 | cafuego | tapia: add the key to your keyring |
| 09:19.36 | McQuaid | like how stable is XF86config-4? that could use a gui |
| 09:19.38 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: wow, I gotta get me one of those brain things |
| 09:19.44 | dondelelcaro | tapia: gpg --recvkey 38c6029A |
| 09:19.53 | McQuaid | mucking with monitors refresh rates is damn annoying |
| 09:19.55 | SlayerXP | i'm pondering my new digital camera |
| 09:19.57 | dondelelcaro | tapia: or install the debian-keyring package |
| 09:19.57 | bztunk | argh |
| 09:19.57 | bztunk | I'm lagging |
| 09:20.07 | SlayerXP | I really would like a sony dsc-v1 |
| 09:20.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: gpg: Invalid option "--recvkey" |
| 09:20.14 | SlayerXP | but I have the popup flash |
| 09:20.16 | purplelahma | allowing ones-self to be controlled by others notions is not using your brain |
| 09:20.18 | purplelahma | SNARF |
| 09:20.19 | holy_cow | mcq... true i would agree with that |
| 09:20.21 | cafuego | SlayerXP: So go and buy one. |
| 09:20.30 | tapia | dondelelcaro: thank you :-) |
| 09:20.34 | helix | jeez, he wasn't even a good troll |
| 09:20.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. gpg --recv<tab> yada yada... |
| 09:20.36 | holy_cow | then again i'm sure one exists |
| 09:20.37 | SlayerXP | cafuego: sucky popup flash |
| 09:20.50 | holy_cow | you could probably script that with python and wxpython or whatever easily i guess *shrug* |
| 09:21.00 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That is meant to do what, excatly? |
| 09:21.06 | SlayerXP | cafuego: the pentax 555 is my second choice, but that has issues focusing in low light |
| 09:21.10 | dondelelcaro | tapia: it's --recv-keys in case cafuego's mockery of me wasn't clear... |
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| 09:21.15 | bztunk | arghh |
| 09:21.24 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: assuming you have bash-completion or zsh, wonderfull things... |
| 09:21.28 | bztunk | my vision is blurry |
| 09:21.31 | bztunk | i need to sleep |
| 09:21.36 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 09:21.42 | helix | "but irc is so much funnnnnnNNN!" |
| 09:21.46 | GhostDawg | your eyes are getting heavy |
| 09:21.46 | bztunk | Tue Dec 30 04:21:46 EST 2003 |
| 09:21.51 | bztunk | helix: yeah it is haha |
| 09:21.52 | GhostDawg | you're gettin sleepy |
| 09:22.02 | krayzone | how do you edit a file that is read only without haveing to log into the root user account? |
| 09:22.03 | tapia | dondelelcaro: i've installed debian-keyring |
| 09:22.09 | tapia | but it don't solves myu problem |
| 09:22.22 | helix | cafuego: did pixel and mustafa get to play with wrapping paper/ |
| 09:22.22 | helix | ? |
| 09:22.31 | holy_cow | McQuaid: i've been on linux for a number of months, can't say i like windows at all any more |
| 09:22.33 | dondelelcaro | tapia: well, its possible that that key isn't in the keyring, or gpg isn't using the keyring. |
| 09:22.55 | krayzone | how do you edit a file that is read only without haveing to log into the root user account? |
| 09:23.01 | bztunk | i still need to boot into windows to play planescape torment grr |
| 09:23.14 | cafuego | helix: No, we did all the unwrapping elsewhere. However, Mustafa did help with the wrapping; he kept pulling the padding out of one of the boxes. |
| 09:23.14 | McQuaid | windows does a lot of things right, but a lot of things wrong as well, mostly it's the corp behind the software that makes me want to get away |
| 09:23.15 | holy_cow | for one thing, this not having to reboot thing is very addictive... i didn't know what it meant to have such a thing until i had to go back to a windows machine and install stuff |
| 09:23.17 | dondelelcaro | krayzone: you change it so that it's owned and/or editable by the user you want to edit it as. |
| 09:23.21 | tapia | dondelelcaro: well, it's the non-US repository |
| 09:23.22 | helix | krayzone: what window manager are you using? |
| 09:23.27 | tapia | it should be in the keyring... |
| 09:23.28 | krayzone | kde |
| 09:23.34 | holy_cow | McQuaid: for me its the technology and corp |
| 09:23.42 | helix | krayzone: on the kde panel, there should be a box that looks like.. a terminal |
| 09:23.43 | tapia | how can I force gpg to use the keyring? |
| 09:23.45 | dondelelcaro | tapia: use gpg --list-keys 38c6029A to see if gpg is using the keyring... |
| 09:23.48 | krayzone | yeah |
| 09:23.51 | helix | krayzone: anyways, open that.. |
| 09:23.51 | krayzone | i see it |
| 09:23.58 | helix | and type su - |
| 09:24.01 | helix | then the root password.. |
| 09:24.03 | helix | then you can edit the file |
| 09:24.09 | helix | look into sudo later |
| 09:24.13 | krayzone | aight |
| 09:24.20 | helix | krayzone: um.. do you know any text-based editors? |
| 09:24.25 | krayzone | yeah |
| 09:24.29 | tapia | # gpg --list-keys 38c6029A |
| 09:24.29 | tapia | gpg: error reading key: Clave pública no encontrada |
| 09:24.30 | helix | ok :) |
| 09:24.31 | krayzone | text editor and x-edit |
| 09:24.43 | krayzone | something like that |
| 09:24.54 | helix | krayzone: i mean one you can use on command line.. |
| 09:24.58 | krayzone | nope |
| 09:25.04 | helix | hm |
| 09:25.07 | holy_cow | McQuaid: one of the sideffects of being on linux is i don't haveto warez anything any more |
| 09:25.09 | dondelelcaro | tapia: or gpg --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --listkeys 38c6029a |
| 09:25.09 | helix | what's the easiest editor to use? |
| 09:25.17 | dondelelcaro | helix: probably nano |
| 09:25.19 | holy_cow | i know, heresy, but its true, i have all the tools i need for the most part |
| 09:25.19 | GhostDawg | nano/pico |
| 09:25.21 | bztunk | krayzone: vim, vi, nano, emacs |
| 09:25.27 | holy_cow | minux photshop and dreamweaver but thats another story |
| 09:25.27 | McQuaid | thats true ;) |
| 09:25.34 | krayzone | aight i just did what you tole me, and the file that i wnat to edit is still read only |
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| 09:25.38 | GhostDawg | vi sucks |
| 09:25.43 | helix | dondelelcaro: go figure.. nano made no sense to me |
| 09:25.45 | GhostDawg | no offense |
| 09:25.46 | bztunk | GhostDawg: STFU |
| 09:25.48 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 09:25.49 | McQuaid | but people are too quick to say this or that sucks in windows |
| 09:25.55 | holy_cow | if you look on download.com, every idiot thinks they can write a text editor and charge 19.95 for it |
| 09:25.56 | helix | i didn't know what the ^Q stuff stood for ;( |
| 09:26.05 | bztunk | i prefer vim, but vi is still nice |
| 09:26.07 | tapia | dondelelcaro: # gpg --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-keys 38c6029a |
| 09:26.07 | tapia | gpg: error reading key: Clave pública no encontrada |
| 09:26.13 | McQuaid | linux could borrow a little from the 'embrace and expand' idea that windows follows |
| 09:26.13 | helix | McQuaid: go wank with some of your windows lovers then.. |
| 09:26.15 | GhostDawg | bztunk: me sowwy |
| 09:26.16 | krayzone | well its like i can edit ti, but it wont let me save the changes |
| 09:26.16 | bztunk | holy_cow: haha, so true |
| 09:26.19 | helix | linux users usually don't like windows |
| 09:26.23 | holy_cow | McQuaid: windows users say the same thing about linux, i did |
| 09:26.24 | dondelelcaro | tapia: what does Clave pública no encontrada translate to? |
| 09:26.26 | McQuaid | what windows does right, linux should imbrace |
| 09:26.36 | helix | McQuaid: stop trolling |
| 09:26.44 | bztunk | :wq |
| 09:26.44 | dondelelcaro | tapia: (hint, LOCALE=C gpg --keyring ... will give the english one) |
| 09:26.45 | holy_cow | frankly, i don't see any shit software here, it just seemed crappy because it requires me to think |
| 09:26.47 | holy_cow | heh :) |
| 09:26.47 | McQuaid | helix relax, i'm not trolling at all |
| 09:26.49 | helix | dondelelcaro: public key not found |
| 09:26.52 | dondelelcaro | :wq!!!!! |
| 09:26.52 | helix | McQuaid: yeah you are |
| 09:26.57 | bztunk | diss |
| 09:27.03 | holy_cow | McQuaid: what should linux embrace? do you have a list? |
| 09:27.11 | tapia | dondelelcaro: "clave publica no encontrada" == "public key not found" |
| 09:27.12 | bztunk | holy_cow: vbscript! |
| 09:27.14 | holy_cow | i'm not knockin your idea at all btw :) i just wanna hear your thoughts |
| 09:27.18 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah, cool. should have figured that out... |
| 09:27.18 | McQuaid | for ex. holycow just mentioned photoshop |
| 09:27.23 | holy_cow | dude |
| 09:27.25 | holy_cow | heh :) |
| 09:27.28 | bztunk | hahah |
| 09:27.35 | tapia | dondelelcaro: sorry :-) |
| 09:27.35 | bztunk | so useless |
| 09:27.37 | GhostDawg | I cant never save a file with vi/vim |
| 09:27.39 | madness | McQuaid: that isn't about Linux "embracing", is it ? |
| 09:27.41 | GhostDawg | I have to break out |
| 09:27.43 | holy_cow | McQuaid: well thats not for linux to do anything about, adobe uses qt, why don't they port? |
| 09:27.44 | madness | McQuaid: that's about adobe. |
| 09:27.45 | McQuaid | gimp should have imbraced what photoshop did right in the gui instead of trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak |
| 09:27.46 | bztunk | my friend needed to write a vbscript for school |
| 09:27.50 | simonrvn | McQuaid: excuse me? |
| 09:27.51 | helix | the only thing linux needs to "embrace" (and actually, macromedia is the one at fault), is dreamweaver |
| 09:27.51 | bztunk | and norton deleted it |
| 09:27.54 | holy_cow | how hard can it be when they proted to osx? |
| 09:27.54 | helix | damnit |
| 09:28.18 | dondelelcaro | tapia: np... ok, just run gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 38c6029a; then see if it will workl. |
| 09:28.25 | dondelelcaro | tapia: no clue why its not in the keyring, though... |
| 09:28.47 | helix | i hate when people have shitty mailers that break threads |
| 09:29.00 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, if its not mutt or gnus, ditch it. |
| 09:29.02 | holy_cow | McQuaid: well theres no reason one cannot change the gui... i wish photoshop had that scripting utility that gimp has |
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| 09:29.04 | helix | !shoot crappy MUA's |
| 09:29.10 | tapia | # gpg --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-keys 38c6029a |
| 09:29.10 | tapia | pub 1024D/38C6029A 2002-12-20 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2003) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:29.14 | holy_cow | so i would say gimp has at least one thing over photoshop |
| 09:29.18 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: pretty much yeh |
| 09:29.19 | tapia | but apt-get update still don't work |
| 09:29.21 | SlayerXP | oops, your dress seems to have fallen off |
| 09:29.24 | holy_cow | actually i wish gimp had a python module but hey :) |
| 09:29.29 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: hushup |
| 09:29.30 | McQuaid | holy_cow: true that would be nice, thats the expand part |
| 09:29.30 | bztunk | bah, emails are uselles |
| 09:29.31 | helix | SlayerXP: careful, i have an adamantium skeleton and claws.. |
| 09:29.32 | bztunk | irc > * |
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| 09:29.35 | helix | :/ |
| 09:29.50 | helix | bztunk: dude, go to sleep.. everyone will be here when you wake up |
| 09:29.53 | helix | you'll see! |
| 09:29.53 | dondelelcaro | tapia: hrm. which apt-get are you using? the 0.6.4 one? |
| 09:30.15 | bztunk | helix: haha. it's like, so sad, because it's true |
| 09:30.18 | cafuego | helix: http://www.cafuego.net/i/{pixel,mustafa}.jpg |
| 09:30.25 | simonrvn | bah |
| 09:30.25 | helix | yippeee! |
| 09:30.27 | tapia | dondelelcaro: no, 0.6.1-ppc |
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| 09:30.35 | dondelelcaro | !info apt-get |
| 09:30.42 | bztunk | simonrvn: hi2u |
| 09:30.45 | simonrvn | !+info apt |
| 09:30.51 | dpkg | Package 'apt' does not exist. |
| 09:30.53 | simonrvn | @+info apt |
| 09:30.57 | cafuego | helix: Yes, I have a beautiful concrete backyard. |
| 09:30.57 | ravenbird | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.17 (sid), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB |
| 09:30.59 | | ravenbird: what are you talking about? |
| 09:30.59 | simonrvn | wrong bot :) |
| 09:31.13 | bztunk | haha |
| 09:31.17 | helix | cafuego: gosh, i'm kind of jealous.. mine is grass and has bugs |
| 09:31.17 | Nurbs | anything wrong with apt 0.6.4? |
| 09:31.22 | helix | i hate it |
| 09:31.22 | dondelelcaro | tapia: ok, if you're going to run experimental packages, you have to run the most recent one. it's 0.6.4 |
| 09:31.25 | cafuego | !info dpkg |
| 09:31.32 | cafuego | helix: Oh, i got bugs.... I got lots of bugs... |
| 09:31.36 | dondelelcaro | !info apt experimental |
| 09:31.36 | helix | :O mustafa |
| 09:31.44 | helix | he's goth! wearing black lipstick |
| 09:31.46 | simonrvn | uh.. |
| 09:31.47 | oskie | nothing is worse than old experimental software :) |
| 09:31.52 | Nurbs | heh |
| 09:31.53 | helix | cafuego: is he a bengal? |
| 09:31.56 | simonrvn | mine don't have experimental.. |
| 09:32.23 | bztunk | ok fuck it, i'm going to sleep |
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| 09:32.27 | simonrvn | yay |
| 09:32.30 | simonrvn | :P |
| 09:32.31 | paul | Setting up gdm (2.4.1.7-1) ... |
| 09:32.31 | paul | dpkg: error processing gdm (--configure): |
| 09:32.32 | dpkg | paul: no idea |
| 09:32.36 | helix | cafuego: my little boys are going to get their nuts cut off next week |
| 09:32.39 | paul | any idea's why? |
| 09:32.39 | helix | they're so excited |
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| 09:32.47 | cafuego | helix: Nope... just a normal tabby... though on boxing day i saw three very cute 7 week old bengal kittens in the pet shop. |
| 09:32.51 | Nurbs | mhm, nice changes to apt indeed |
| 09:32.59 | helix | i *heart* bengals |
| 09:33.04 | holy_cow | brb |
| 09:33.09 | simonrvn | paul: uh, there's more to that than you're letting on... |
| 09:33.13 | cafuego | helix: Mussy didn't even notice it. Although, he's a year old now and still squeaks <heh> |
| 09:33.25 | helix | cafuego: he looks like a tabby in the face, but his body has bengalish markings |
| 09:33.35 | helix | heh |
| 09:33.46 | paul | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.46 | paul | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:33.47 | cafuego | helix: He was dumped at the pet shop, so he may well have some bengal in him |
| 09:33.48 | helix | i think vladi is going to be a squeaker even though he's probably half bear |
| 09:33.50 | simonrvn | our orange cat is partly spotted :D |
| 09:33.57 | cafuego | helix: He's not particularly huge, though |
| 09:34.08 | fooz | it's simonrvn |
| 09:34.15 | simonrvn | fooz: hi |
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| 09:34.24 | dondelelcaro | !info apt experimental |
| 09:34.26 | fooz | hmm, a usercloak |
| 09:34.30 | helix | paul: there should be more to it than that.. |
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| 09:34.49 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.4 (experimental), Packaged size: 858 kB, Installed size: 2568 kB |
| 09:34.50 | | I think you lost me on that one, dpkg |
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| 09:34.55 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 09:34.57 | helix | haha |
| 09:34.57 | dondelelcaro | mwuahahaha |
| 09:34.58 | fooz | haha |
| 09:35.00 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: .diff? |
| 09:35.00 | paul | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.00 | paul | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:35.07 | paul | that's all of it, in sections |
| 09:35.20 | helix | that's a crappy error |
| 09:35.28 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's easy, one liner: add "experimental" => "experimental", in src/Modules/Debian.pl |
| 09:35.33 | simonrvn | cool |
| 09:35.36 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's in the %dists hash. |
| 09:35.40 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:36.18 | tapia | dondelelcaro: 0.6.4 isn't for ppc |
| 09:36.32 | SlayerXP | reminds me |
| 09:36.34 | dondelelcaro | tapia: not yet, but there are bugs in 0.6.1, .2, and .3 |
| 09:36.38 | helix | cafuego: you redid your site. it's all l33t now.. wtf |
| 09:36.43 | SlayerXP | I need to take all the frozen dead animal flesh out of the freezer |
| 09:36.44 | paul | simonrvn: any idea? |
| 09:36.56 | helix | SlayerXP: fantastic idea |
| 09:36.57 | helix | ;P |
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| 09:37.02 | simonrvn | paul: paste the whole in #flood |
| 09:37.04 | tapia | dondelelcaro: so I must wait, isn't it? :-) |
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| 09:37.15 | dondelelcaro | tapia: most likely you should build the 0.6.4 version for ppc if you're going to use it. |
| 09:37.16 | SlayerXP | helix: I'm cooking for 12 people on new years eve |
| 09:37.25 | helix | lentils? great idea! |
| 09:37.31 | simonrvn | tapia: then you do apt-get source apt=0.6.4-foo |
| 09:37.41 | simonrvn | oh, add -b |
| 09:37.54 | dondelelcaro | tapia: and probably check out /usr/share/doc/apt/ as well... |
| 09:37.54 | simonrvn | might need to add -fPIC -DPIC to that too |
| 09:37.54 | fooz | simonrvn, still using afs? |
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| 09:38.29 | simonrvn | fooz: running 2.6, gonna try that. last time i tried i kept dropping into xmon... |
| 09:38.38 | fooz | ah |
| 09:38.45 | fooz | i haven't tried it under 2.6. i only run 2.6 on my laptop |
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| 09:38.52 | simonrvn | @+info apt experimental |
| 09:38.56 | ravenbird | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:39.01 | ravenbird | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 865 kB, Installed size: 2652 kB |
| 09:39.02 | | ravenbird: what are you talking about? |
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| 09:39.06 | simonrvn | nice |
| 09:39.09 | fooz | heh |
| 09:39.10 | Biro | good morning |
| 09:39.21 | dondelelcaro | paul: the postinst script failed. You need to add a set +x line to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst |
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| 09:39.23 | fooz | you could make them talk to each other |
| 09:39.30 | fooz | wonder if they'd notice and stop flooding |
| 09:39.45 | Biro | who want help me? |
| 09:39.48 | simonrvn | would kick in yes |
| 09:39.54 | simonrvn | @tell Biro about ask |
| 09:40.01 | J_P | morning |
| 09:40.07 | paul | dondelelcaro: ok, above the "set -e" ? |
| 09:40.16 | dondelelcaro | paul: yes. |
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| 09:40.22 | ciga | hi |
| 09:40.25 | dondelelcaro | paul: that will tell you which line of the postinst is failing. |
| 09:40.31 | Biro | i have to edit a .src file, but i don't know what editor i must use |
| 09:40.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell Willijar about away |
| 09:40.38 | ciga | I'd like to set up postfix w/ mysql. But I get this error: 'postfix/trivial-rewrite[8262]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'. |
| 09:40.40 | paul | dondelelcaro: ok, here goes |
| 09:40.54 | dondelelcaro | paul: paste the results into #flood when you get them... |
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| 09:41.09 | simonrvn | @tell [chmod[ about root |
| 09:41.22 | helix | what a pathetic root yell that is |
| 09:41.24 | simonrvn | fastest tell root in the east :P |
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| 09:41.51 | amundsen | hi |
| 09:42.10 | fooz | bleh, blogs |
| 09:42.19 | paul | dondelelcaro: the output is the same |
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| 09:42.36 | helix | fooz: agreed. i don't actually blog but it makes broadcasting site changes easier on the front page |
| 09:42.46 | helix | erm, well. not easier, but more uniform |
| 09:43.02 | dondelelcaro | paul: eh? the output shouldn't be the same... you should see every command as it is run |
| 09:43.02 | fooz | everyone converting their personal pages into blogs makes everything so hard to find :( |
| 09:43.15 | amundsen | i have backported mozilla 1.5 and xfree 4.2.1 in woody and i'm not being able to enable j2re in mozilla by the typical ln -s /usr/j2re..... /usr/lib.... |
| 09:43.17 | helix | not to mention blogs are usually boring.. |
| 09:43.23 | amundsen | did anyone get it ? |
| 09:43.36 | fooz | The World Wide Web is *dying*. |
| 09:43.39 | fooz | just like FreeBSD |
| 09:43.46 | ciga | ;) |
| 09:43.54 | helix | although, realistically, i update my site so seldom that 'software' to talk about my updates are kind of useless |
| 09:43.56 | dondelelcaro | fooz: we're all going to *DIE*! |
| 09:44.01 | fooz | dondelelcaro is *dying*. |
| 09:44.16 | SlayerXP | what is this? drama queen day? |
| 09:44.19 | helix | i really love bulleted lists |
| 09:44.25 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: bad soap opera |
| 09:44.28 | ciga | fooz: my postfix + mysql is also *dying* :) |
| 09:44.31 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 09:44.44 | bender_ | i thought freebsd was the only thing dying? |
| 09:44.51 | SlayerXP | oh yes, you did say |
| 09:44.52 | helix | ...and self healing powers |
| 09:45.00 | paul | dondelelcaro: did you see the output from the top of my gdm.postinst ? did i edit that correctly? |
| 09:45.16 | dondelelcaro | paul: oh, that should be set -x |
| 09:45.24 | dondelelcaro | paul: and you want the set -e there still. |
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| 09:45.26 | fooz | It is official; Netcraft confirms: Debian is dying. |
| 09:45.31 | amundsen | alguien ha conseguido poner el puto java vm en marcaha con mozilla 1.5 ? |
| 09:45.34 | paul | doh |
| 09:45.39 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 09:45.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 09:45.39 | helix | haha |
| 09:45.45 | fooz | One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Debian community when IDC confirmed that Debian market share has dropped yet again... |
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| 09:45.53 | helix | amundsen: en sid? |
| 09:45.53 | simonrvn | @tell amundsen about spanish |
| 09:45.54 | amundsen | i have backported mozilla 1.5 and xfree 4.2.1 in woody and i'm not being able to enable j2re in mozilla by the typical ln -s /usr/j2re..... /usr/lib.... |
| 09:46.07 | amundsen | helix in woody |
| 09:46.10 | helix | oh |
| 09:46.12 | helix | not my area |
| 09:46.15 | bender_ | fooz: =( |
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| 09:46.40 | amundsen | helix which procedure did you followed anyway ? |
| 09:46.59 | amundsen | helix ln -s /usr/java.... /usr/lib ... ? |
| 09:47.09 | helix | amundsen: i just apt-get installed it |
| 09:47.19 | paul | dondelelcaro: posted in flood |
| 09:47.20 | helix | i think there are apt sources for woody but i'm not sure |
| 09:47.28 | amundsen | helix j2re ? |
| 09:47.34 | witless | how can i list which drivers have been compiled into the kernel? |
| 09:47.34 | helix | i think so |
| 09:47.45 | helix | yeah |
| 09:47.48 | amundsen | helix from which repository ? |
| 09:47.50 | dondelelcaro | paul: hrm... that's weird. it's supposed to list the commands as they are run. |
| 09:47.51 | simonrvn | witless: kernel config file |
| 09:48.09 | fooz | It is official; netsplit.de confirms: OPN is dying |
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| 09:48.33 | witless | no way to list drivers in kernel dynamically? |
| 09:48.34 | simonrvn | que? |
| 09:48.47 | fooz | witless, not really |
| 09:48.47 | helix | amundsen: i don't have it in my sources.list anymore :/ it was for unstable anyways.. |
| 09:48.52 | simonrvn | witless: #define 'dynamically' |
| 09:49.00 | fooz | witless, you could grab the kernel config file and read it |
| 09:49.21 | helix | has anyone ever seen this in their site stats (assuming you use webalizer or something): Old style Arpanet (arpa) |
| 09:49.21 | amundsen | helix but was it official package or unofficial ? |
| 09:49.30 | helix | amundsen: unofficial |
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| 09:49.48 | amundsen | las arpas me comen la polla |
| 09:50.13 | witless | i've compiled something as a module but modprobe always says "FATAL: module <whatever> not found" |
| 09:50.21 | simonrvn | depmod -a |
| 09:50.35 | paul | dondelelcaro: strange... i have another box her running testing which that error has never come up on |
| 09:50.42 | amundsen | !spanish |
| 09:50.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 09:50.44 | paul | here rather |
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| 09:51.08 | amundsen | !french |
| 09:51.09 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:51.09 | witless | DRATS: WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko ignored, due to loop |
| 09:51.10 | rich_ | hi :) |
| 09:51.21 | witless | what loop? |
| 09:51.46 | dondelelcaro | paul: yeah... I assume you've installed gdm before, right? |
| 09:52.06 | simonrvn | witless: try depmod -a |
| 09:52.20 | dondelelcaro | paul: what happens when you sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst |
| 09:52.46 | witless | i did - that's one of about thirty WARNING: messages i got :-( most seem to be related to IDE |
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| 09:55.13 | tapa | dondelelcaro: vocetenki falla malunch |
| 09:56.31 | paul | dondelelcaro: ok, check flood, that gave the output we were looking for! |
| 09:56.46 | paul | hold on.. |
| 09:57.22 | paul | how do you pipe stdout into a file? foo &> foo.txt ? |
| 09:58.12 | rich_ | paul I dont think you need the & |
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| 10:00.38 | helix | knock knock |
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| 10:01.06 | jm_ | paul: &> means both stdout and stderr |
| 10:01.48 | dondelelcaro | helix: who's there? |
| 10:01.48 | SlayerXP | jm_: it also mean "a heart with a ribbon" |
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| 10:02.14 | helix | i don't know. i never thought that part of the joke out.. ;( |
| 10:02.17 | Steven_ | is something wrong with the latest version of apache-ssl ? |
| 10:03.17 | bender_ | Nurbs: which keys? |
| 10:03.28 | dondelelcaro | Steven_: check the bts. if there's a problem, it'll be there. |
| 10:03.38 | dondelelcaro | Steven_: well, a known problem, anyway. |
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| 10:04.10 | dondelelcaro | paul: I don't need the whole output, just the last bit with the error... |
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| 10:04.26 | paul | son of a bit... |
| 10:04.29 | Nurbs | bender_: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2003 v2) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" and also "Christian Marillat <marillat.christian@wanadoo.fr>" for mplayer |
| 10:04.43 | dondelelcaro | paul: it'll be like the last 10 lines or so of output... |
| 10:05.36 | rich_ | Ive noticed that when I do renice 0 -u root after a reboot it says the old priority was negative. Things seem to run a little faster for me after I change it back to 0. Where is the proper place to set it so I dont have to renice it after each reboot? |
| 10:05.50 | bender_ | hmm |
| 10:05.54 | rich_ | 2.6 rox btw |
| 10:05.58 | bender_ | i didnt know all debs where signed now |
| 10:06.03 | dondelelcaro | paul: hrm... that's really wierd. it seems to exit normally... |
| 10:06.12 | SlayerXP | rich_: unless you happen to think X locking once an hour is a pest. |
| 10:06.49 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: x works fine here. console fb is fubar though |
| 10:07.01 | Nurbs | bender_: I don't think they all are, but I think the sources are (apt-get update warns). With experimental's apt that is |
| 10:07.03 | cem | ben yetiiim ben öksüüüz |
| 10:07.04 | simonrvn | Linux nuit.ca 2.6.0-ben2 #1 Sat Dec 27 03:33:58 UTC 2003 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 10:07.09 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I can lock my machine on request. |
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| 10:07.14 | paul | dondelelcaro: ack |
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| 10:07.18 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: good for you |
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| 10:07.38 | rich_ | SlayerXP really? Ive not experienced that problem but I must have compiled 2.6 a hundred times to get it right. Other reasons I might not be =getting that problem is an xfs filesystem and no anonymous paged memory (swap) |
| 10:08.13 | bender_ | Nurbs: ahh ok |
| 10:08.22 | bender_ | i guess it wont make a difference with stable then |
| 10:08.33 | Nurbs | it's not even in sid :) |
| 10:08.39 | paul | dondelelcaro: i ran that command on the box which is ok, through ssh.. sorry. (tired) when i run "sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst" on the afflicted box, it does nothing |
| 10:09.08 | dondelelcaro | paul: hrm. and that script has the set -x at the top? |
| 10:09.52 | neqm | are there any working apache2 debian packages |
| 10:09.52 | neqm | ? |
| 10:10.08 | rich_ | SlayerXP I dont use the framebuffer device. That might be one reason it works great |
| 10:10.09 | SlayerXP | neqm: yes, "apache", amazingly enough. |
| 10:10.17 | SlayerXP | rich_: neither do I. |
| 10:10.24 | dondelelcaro | paul: ah. update-rc.d is failing for some reason. Is gdm actually running? |
| 10:10.25 | SlayerXP | neqm: err "apache2" I mean |
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| 10:10.58 | Tybor | it was dell that sells debian preinstalled servers? |
| 10:11.01 | dondelelcaro | paul: run 'echo $?' if you can... |
| 10:11.07 | dondelelcaro | Tybor: HP does. |
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| 10:11.15 | SlayerXP | Tybor: no, dell have never sold debian preinstalled boxes. |
| 10:11.28 | dondelelcaro | Tybor: not that it matters. You can install debian rather quickly. |
| 10:11.29 | neqm | SlayerXP: whata bout package apache2 is a virtual package provided by: |
| 10:11.42 | witless | hi. when i run depmod -a, i get about thirty "WARNING: ignoring module due to loop" messages. most seem related to ide. 2.6.0 kernel. any ideas? |
| 10:11.45 | dondelelcaro | Tybor: if its really important, you can even have a consultant install it for you. |
| 10:11.55 | rich_ | SlayerXP hmmm strange. My guess is its a hardware compatability issue. But my computer is seldom loaded down. Hence my desire to make all the nice levels the same :) |
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| 10:12.07 | SlayerXP | rich_: 2.4 works just fine. |
| 10:12.32 | Tybor | i know i know... i'm sure that there is a big vendor which sells hw with debian AND assistance |
| 10:12.49 | dondelelcaro | Tybor: yeah, that vendor is Hewlett Packard. |
| 10:12.51 | Tybor | i'm looking for paid, professional assistance for a debian server |
| 10:12.55 | oskie | what's 150K and all fluffy? |
| 10:12.58 | Tybor | dondelelcaro: ok 10x! |
| 10:12.59 | oskie | a spam email with virus. |
| 10:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Tybor: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/12/04/HNhpdebian_1.html |
| 10:13.22 | rich_ | SlayerXP I used 2.4-ck for a long time because that plus an xfs only filesystem was the only way to get the speed I needed to properly play video. Without those two enhancements nothing I could do would make them play smoothly. |
| 10:13.31 | SlayerXP | Tybor: http://www.clues.ltd.uk/ |
| 10:13.37 | rich_ | SlayerXP Of course the answer is always in the last place you look |
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| 10:13.54 | SlayerXP | rich_: any FAT filesystem will be _way_ faster than xfs for video streaming |
| 10:14.05 | paul | dondelelcaro: 1 |
| 10:14.23 | dondelelcaro | paul: ok, its update-rc.d that is failing... |
| 10:14.34 | paul | dondelelcaro: gdm is not running |
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| 10:15.15 | jm_ | SlayerXP: not in linux it won't be |
| 10:15.23 | rich_ | SlayerXP I never thought to try fat but I tried quite a few and nothing but xfs and jfs ultimately were good enough. I went with xfs because of the reputation of the people who support it. |
| 10:15.27 | SlayerXP | jm_: I would think so. |
| 10:15.27 | Tybor | SlayerXP: 10x, but i prefer italian, since my workmates are not fluently in english |
| 10:15.32 | jm_ | SlayerXP: you're wrong |
| 10:15.35 | dondelelcaro | paul: run update-rc.d gdm defaults 99 01; and see what it says |
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| 10:15.44 | Recoil` | can any1 help me, i cant boot from my cd to install debian. my boot sequence is set to floppy, cd, then hd |
| 10:15.44 | SlayerXP | jm_: wouldn't be the first time :) |
| 10:15.51 | dondelelcaro | paul: do you actually run gdm normally? |
| 10:16.01 | Nurbs | iirc FAT on Linux is awfully slow |
| 10:16.06 | jm_ | indeed it is |
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| 10:16.14 | paul | dondelelcaro: no |
| 10:16.20 | Nurbs | and 60+ MB/s are certainly enough for playing back 1 mbit/s streams ;) |
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| 10:16.31 | paul | dondelelcaro: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm: file does not exist |
| 10:16.37 | paul | bah |
| 10:16.40 | dondelelcaro | paul: yerp, that would do it. |
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| 10:16.56 | SlayerXP | jm_: I play movies from a mounted fat32 partition, I don't have problems |
| 10:17.05 | paul | i know what the problem is then.. i moved gdm from there so it wouldn't load... seemed to be the easiest fix at the time |
| 10:17.08 | dondelelcaro | paul: if you don't want gdm to start by default, remove the symlinks for gdm out of your default runlevel. |
| 10:17.15 | jm_ | SlayerXP: what kind of movies ? |
| 10:17.18 | dondelelcaro | paul: removing the initscript causes all sorts of things to break. |
| 10:17.33 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I mean is it divx/dvd/... ? |
| 10:17.34 | paul | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 10:17.40 | SlayerXP | jm_: divx |
| 10:17.43 | dondelelcaro | paul: if you really don't want gdm, apt-get --purge remove gdm |
| 10:17.44 | Nurbs | SlayerXP: you can play movies even from some slow dial up link... |
| 10:17.49 | jm_ | SlayerXP: yes, that requires roughly 1MB/s |
| 10:18.04 | Nurbs | 1 mbit/s is more like it :) |
| 10:18.06 | dondelelcaro | a DM isn't necessary by any means. |
| 10:18.10 | SlayerXP | jm_: also avi and mpg files. |
| 10:18.15 | jm_ | yes sorry 1Mbps |
| 10:18.24 | paul | dondelelcaro: where can i find information on the correct way to deal with runlevel's init scripts etc.. standard linux admin texts? |
| 10:18.55 | dondelelcaro | !runlevels |
| 10:18.55 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d |
| 10:18.55 | dondelelcaro | paul: ^^^^ |
| 10:18.55 | rich_ | Also on my computer I only have one partition. That changes things. Not even a swap partition. It justifies the overhead for xfs. |
| 10:18.55 | jm_ | SlayerXP: yeah it's fast enough for that and then some, but it's really much slower than say ext2 (and probably xfs/jfs too) |
| 10:18.55 | paul | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 10:19.09 | dondelelcaro | paul: that explains the standard sysvinit method, which is debian's default. There's also a filerc method, which you can use as well. |
| 10:19.14 | paul | dondelelcaro: i use kdm for my roommates to have something pretty to log in to |
| 10:19.18 | colde89 | ifup don`t work .. |
| 10:19.20 | rich_ | a single filesystem has to do everything, and its a laptop :) |
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| 10:19.31 | dondelelcaro | paul: ah... kdm should conflict with gdm... not sure why it didn't... |
| 10:19.45 | paul | nod |
| 10:19.48 | Nurbs | it should conflict? both can run at the same time... |
| 10:20.31 | Nurbs | even though it does probably require some tweaking with the scripts to allow that comfortably |
| 10:20.32 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: well, not in any sane configuration... |
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| 10:21.06 | Nurbs | yes, don't know why one would want more than one dm running |
| 10:21.08 | dondelelcaro | paul: you probably should also read the debian reference as well. /msg dpkg reference |
| 10:21.18 | colde89 | ifup don`t work any idea ** |
| 10:21.25 | dondelelcaro | !don't work |
| 10:21.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:21.48 | colde89 | dondelelcaro :: no |
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| 10:22.32 | SlayerXP | ~tell Cobain about away |
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| 10:22.39 | Cobain | my bad |
| 10:22.46 | Cobain | didnt know it was multi server |
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| 10:22.53 | tarzeau | wow i can install xfce4 on powerpc finally |
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| 10:23.20 | helix | ok, my computer needs to have its ass kicked |
| 10:23.43 | SlayerXP | ! |
| 10:24.05 | helix | every time i look at something with flash in it (usually on accident), my computer freezes |
| 10:24.13 | helix | i can't ssh in or do anything with it |
| 10:24.14 | helix | WHY |
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| 10:24.23 | tarzeau | helix: does it have link? |
| 10:24.28 | SlayerXP | helix: 2.6? |
| 10:24.37 | helix | SlayerXP: nope, 2.4.20 still |
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| 10:24.39 | tarzeau | helix: the network card i mean |
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| 10:24.47 | tarzeau | helix: what browser? |
| 10:25.01 | helix | tarzeau: i don't think it has anything to do with the nic or browser |
| 10:25.08 | helix | it seems like a video card problem |
| 10:25.15 | helix | but my video card isn't old! |
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| 10:25.25 | Nurbs | that could be the problem :) |
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| 10:25.28 | tarzeau | helix: which driver? |
| 10:25.37 | helix | ati |
| 10:25.46 | tarzeau | helix: did you google for this yet? |
| 10:25.48 | helix | it's not an old or new card. it's like.. a teenager |
| 10:25.57 | helix | tarzeau: not yet.. but it's happened before, about a year ago |
| 10:26.03 | helix | i got a new video card and that fixed the problem |
| 10:26.12 | helix | i am going to kill someone if i have to get *another* video card |
| 10:26.23 | tarzeau | helix: isa, pci or agp? |
| 10:26.34 | helix | pci |
| 10:26.36 | tarzeau | helix: who will you kill? |
| 10:26.40 | helix | tarzeau: you |
| 10:26.41 | jm_ | helix: well did you check logs if it oopses ? but you won't see it if it's in interrupt handler |
| 10:26.44 | tarzeau | helix: smile |
| 10:26.56 | helix | jm_: which log? i haven't checked anything.. not sure where to start |
| 10:26.58 | tarzeau | jm_: she can't check dmesg |
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| 10:27.17 | tarzeau | helix: dmesg is good and /var/log too |
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| 10:27.17 | jm_ | tarzeau: oops is logged if it happens in normal circumstances |
| 10:27.25 | jm_ | helix: /var/log/* |
| 10:27.34 | tarzeau | jm_: video cards don't generate interrupts imho |
| 10:27.35 | amundsen | "do you want to entrust font management to defoma ?" i don't know what to answer ... |
| 10:27.38 | tarzeau | jm_: unless you do 3d stuff |
| 10:27.41 | helix | jm_: yeah, i know where that is i just thought there might be a specific one to look for.. |
| 10:27.46 | arturaz_ | anyone has set up vhosting with exim4? |
| 10:27.46 | tarzeau | but even then, i'm not sure |
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| 10:27.53 | helix | amundsen: yes |
| 10:27.55 | tarzeau | arturaz_: sure someone from #exim |
| 10:28.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: I never said they do ;) |
| 10:28.04 | arturaz_ | all idle ;) |
| 10:28.10 | chemicallyrelian | why are there no interrupts for video cards? how do they know when to read/write memory? |
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| 10:28.15 | tarzeau | jm_: true i wanted to just say it, not just to you |
| 10:28.15 | jm_ | helix: it would depend on your configuration |
| 10:28.32 | amundsen | helix which are the sugested font packages ? |
| 10:28.58 | helix | amundsen: i dunno, i installed whatever i could find |
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| 10:29.25 | jm_ | helix: including korean, chinese and japanese fonts ? :) |
| 10:29.25 | helix | jm_: i duno, there are a lot of logs |
| 10:29.26 | tarzeau | dystopia: hey! |
| 10:29.28 | helix | syslog? |
| 10:29.44 | helix | jm_: everything |
| 10:30.01 | helix | wow, syslog is boring |
| 10:30.21 | jm_ | helix: grep EFLAGS |
| 10:30.23 | chemicallyrelian | slayerXP gets arrested for income tax evasion. |
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| 10:30.47 | Recoil` | can any1 help me, im having trouble booting from the debian boot cd |
| 10:30.49 | helix | as well as lewd and lascivious behavior with farm animals |
| 10:30.58 | tarzeau | Recoil`: can you give more details? |
| 10:31.06 | J_P | anyone know if is possible do LOAD BALANCE with linux comparable with LB in OpenBSD ? |
| 10:31.21 | helix | god, i thought that said lap dance for half a second |
| 10:31.22 | Recoil` | it wont boot at all, it just spins up and then loads xp normaly |
| 10:31.34 | Recoil` | and boot sequence is set to floppy, cd, then hd |
| 10:31.37 | chemicallyrelian | you need to adjust your bios settings. |
| 10:31.56 | irvken | #join justlinux |
| 10:31.56 | chemicallyrelian | most people forget to add their CDROM drive as a drive in their bios settings, and rely on it to be auto-detected. |
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| 10:32.15 | tarzeau | good morning xel |
| 10:32.32 | xel | 'morning tarzeau |
| 10:32.40 | Nurbs | bah... half the updated software on freshmeat is by ESR, lol |
| 10:32.57 | chemicallyrelian | you also have the issue, that some cd-drives are slow to initialize, and in the case of a yamaha-cdrw, take longer to init than the boot sequence, and so when cheked for a disk, the timeout passes and is ignored as 'not read' |
| 10:32.58 | chemicallyrelian | y |
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| 10:33.33 | calamari_ | anyone know where I can get imlib-config ? |
| 10:33.48 | chemicallyrelian | you might consider de-activating your primary hard disk as a boot option, which on my PC forces it to cycle the "Inser boot floppy" prompt untill the drive has has sufficient time to initialize. |
| 10:33.48 | Nurbs | calamari_: /msg dpkg find |
| 10:34.01 | Nurbs | eh, wrong... |
| 10:34.17 | helix | what's /dev/pts ? |
| 10:34.18 | Recoil` | ok i gotcha |
| 10:34.19 | calamari_ | nurbs: thanks :) |
| 10:34.25 | Nurbs | calamari_: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:34.30 | chemicallyrelian | you milage may vary, but the only other option is to boot of a floppy. which sucks, when you have a reasionable cd drive |
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| 10:34.46 | helix | nm |
| 10:34.51 | Recoil` | but what were u saying about cd drive being auto detected? |
| 10:34.53 | chemicallyrelian | the other posibility is that your CD-drive is non-ATAPI compatible, and won't boot cd's. |
| 10:34.58 | calamari_ | doesn't seem to understand that |
| 10:35.01 | helix | !u |
| 10:35.01 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 10:35.14 | oskie | is there a standard spam/bulkmail package that puts like three lines of random words in the text/plain MIME section of the mail? |
| 10:35.22 | Nurbs | calamari_: or /msg dpkg find imlib-config |
| 10:35.24 | chemicallyrelian | but most windozer machines must be able to boot from cd, in order for their default OS to be installed. |
| 10:35.55 | chemicallyrelian | you geta ll that mr Recoil?????? |
| 10:36.01 | Recoil` | yep yep |
| 10:36.09 | Recoil` | it does boot cd's i reinstalled xp just today |
| 10:36.28 | Recoil` | from booting from the cd |
| 10:36.40 | chemicallyrelian | then try removing HDD as a boot option, and finally you're left with boot from floppy. |
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| 10:36.49 | Recoil` | k |
| 10:36.51 | Recoil` | thx for the help |
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| 10:37.31 | chemicallyrelian | well, thats why i'm here. heh. |
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| 10:37.55 | helix | jm_: would ksyms logs be of any importance? |
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| 10:38.19 | helix | there is a ksymoops directory in /var/log |
| 10:38.32 | jm_ | helix: naah, you can usually ignore that, did you see myu grep suggestion ? |
| 10:38.34 | tarzeau | kjs3: hello |
| 10:38.37 | Wilotas | someone knows "driverloader"? |
| 10:38.45 | helix | jm_: yeah.. but i think i'm a grep retard |
| 10:38.50 | helix | either it took a very long time or it hung |
| 10:39.25 | jm_ | helix: ls -l, you might have huge log files and slow disk |
| 10:39.40 | helix | jm_: ah, i figured it out. i'm only slightly dumb about grep. anyhow, nothing came up |
| 10:40.30 | jm_ | helix: then it didn't log an oops,but it doesn't mean that's not a reason |
| 10:40.36 | helix | hm |
| 10:40.47 | calamari_ | hmm weird.. I have the packages installed, but no imlib-config |
| 10:41.18 | rich_ | Thanks everyone. |
| 10:41.35 | calamari_ | bbl |
| 10:41.37 | helix | piece of crap. my p100 gives me less trouble |
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| 10:41.42 | jm_ | it might be easier to debug it if you have another machine |
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| 10:41.55 | helix | i do have another machine |
| 10:42.16 | jm_ | try to start your browser via exported DISPLAy then |
| 10:42.32 | jm_ | and make it hang, while the box where it's running has no X started so that you can see console |
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| 10:42.35 | helix | sounds fancy. i'll have to learn how to do that |
| 10:42.36 | jm_ | if that makes sense |
| 10:42.41 | jm_ | helix: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 10:42.54 | jm_ | that's all you need to know, it even exports DISPLAY automatically |
| 10:42.58 | helix | heh, it does make sense,i think.. |
| 10:43.13 | helix | jm_: does it matter that the other machine is significantly older? |
| 10:43.23 | jm_ | helix: naah, as long as it can run X to display the browser |
| 10:43.36 | helix | hm. i have no idea if it can. i've never run X on it |
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| 10:43.55 | jm_ | ohh that might be a problem then, maybe my explanation wasn't good enough then |
| 10:44.16 | helix | it has a video card |
| 10:44.23 | helix | but that's about all i know :) |
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| 10:44.38 | lugger | has anybody tried www.workspot.com it is truly awesome |
| 10:44.45 | jm_ | you can use vga driver for testing purposes, should be fine |
| 10:44.53 | lugger | You can use linux through (believe it or not) a browser |
| 10:44.56 | helix | yeah, lspci says it's vga compatible |
| 10:45.02 | grendel | hi, I've got a problem with lilo when it try to load I just see LI then it stops... what can it be? |
| 10:45.05 | lugger | I mean real kde gnome stuff |
| 10:45.09 | helix | jm_: so i need to setup X, then export the display? |
| 10:45.20 | helix | i imagine i might have to change the resolution i'm using.. |
| 10:45.34 | dondelelcaro | !li |
| 10:45.35 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. or lithium. You could always try using grub instead :). Liechtenstein |
| 10:45.35 | jm_ | helix: no, setup X, startx, ssh into the box tha hangs, make sure DISPLAy is set, start browser |
| 10:45.43 | lugger | grendel; each of the four words LILO have a special meaning. You have to figure it out |
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| 10:46.20 | lugger | grendel; i mean four letters L-I-L-O |
| 10:46.24 | helix | oh, doh. i understand now |
| 10:46.41 | helix | lugger: you're already annoying me for some reason |
| 10:46.57 | lugger | helix; go take a walk |
| 10:47.04 | helix | i'd like to but it's kind of late here |
| 10:47.09 | andy | Hi, I want make mc run "chm" exstensions with xchm, so I edited mc.ext and added: type/^chm; Open=run-mailcap application/chm:%f &; Open=(xchm %f &). But it doesn't work. What do you suggest? |
| 10:47.17 | lugger | helix; how late? |
| 10:47.20 | grendel | thanks, I will try to solve this... or take a look about grub! thanks :) |
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| 10:47.26 | helix | lugger: or early. 6am |
| 10:47.48 | lugger | helix; oh you are an early bird? |
| 10:47.51 | Steven_ | does apt keep a log of all upgraded packages? |
| 10:47.56 | helix | jm_: once i do that, do i need to monitor any particular log? |
| 10:48.08 | helix | lugger: nah, i just stay up early.. or something |
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| 10:49.07 | jm_ | helix: hmm, try to tail -f all important log files : syslog messages kern.log debug |
| 10:49.16 | helix | gotcha |
| 10:49.26 | lugger | helix; I would like your opinion about something....which is better? windows or linux? My friend swears by windows. I am neutral about both. |
| 10:49.27 | helix | i'll check into it tomorrow |
| 10:49.36 | helix | lugger: er, linux |
| 10:49.41 | andy | Hi, I want make mc run "chm" exstensions with xchm, so I edited mc.ext and added: type/^chm; Open=run-mailcap application/chm:%f &; Open=(xchm %f &). But it doesn't work. What do you suggest? |
| 10:49.50 | lugger | helix; really why? |
| 10:50.18 | jm_ | andy: you're doing it wrong |
| 10:50.22 | lugger | helix; if linux is free, windows is also free (atleast in this part of the world) |
| 10:50.36 | andy | jm_: what is your tip?? |
| 10:50.37 | helix | lugger: i don't really take price in to consideration |
| 10:50.39 | lugger | helix; so what is the big deal? |
| 10:50.51 | `Butthead | lugger: for me, no blue screen. |
| 10:51.12 | `Butthead | lugger: and you dont have to reboot linux every 15 minutes. |
| 10:51.14 | helix | lugger: i don't know. there isn't a big deal. i'm not really a militant anti-windows person |
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| 10:51.22 | helix | i just like linux |
| 10:51.24 | dondelelcaro | lugger: the fact that I can fix any bug that I run across is a benifit. |
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| 10:51.29 | lugger | helix; as far as security is conserned win2000 (which i use ) doesnot have any blue screen of death eaither |
| 10:51.35 | gherdo | hi ppl |
| 10:51.42 | helix | yeah. the fact that dondelelcaro can fix bugs is also important to me :) |
| 10:51.44 | `Butthead | lugger: you are lucky then. |
| 10:51.48 | jm_ | andy: regex/\.chm$ \n Open=xchm '%f' \n View=xchm '%f' \n or so |
| 10:51.53 | helix | lugger: ok, i've never used win2k.. |
| 10:51.56 | gherdo | Setting up alsa-base (0.9.8-3) ... |
| 10:51.57 | gherdo | Use of uninitialized value in exists at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 66, <GEN1> line 3. |
| 10:51.59 | gherdo | Use of uninitialized value in exists at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29, <GEN1> line 3. |
| 10:52.02 | helix | but i have used XP, which i didn't like |
| 10:52.02 | gherdo | Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 85, <GEN1> line 3. |
| 10:52.05 | gherdo | on debian unstable... what is this? |
| 10:52.09 | dondelelcaro | gherdo: do not paste here, please. |
| 10:52.16 | helix | lugger: i'd say there is just more choice with linux.. that's why i like it |
| 10:52.18 | gherdo | dondelelcaro: sorry. |
| 10:52.22 | dondelelcaro | gherdo: that's a bug in alsa-base. welcome to unstable. |
| 10:52.28 | Steven_ | how can I see what packages have been upgraded recently ? |
| 10:52.32 | helix | plus, all of the #debian people are so nice and helpful |
| 10:52.47 | gherdo | dondelelcaro: I have two unstable boxes. The problem is only on ONE box. |
| 10:52.48 | lugger | winXP is excess of eye candy (even i dont like it). But i like win2k though. which doesnt mean i am anti linux |
| 10:52.53 | `Butthead | gherdo: just push reset a couple times. Usually fixes alsa problems. |
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| 10:53.05 | helix | lugger: certainly |
| 10:53.09 | gherdo | `Butthead: "push reset"? |
| 10:53.23 | `Butthead | gherdo: yes, the button marked reset |
| 10:53.24 | dondelelcaro | gherdo: well, then you've got an unitialized value in your debconf database at line 3. |
| 10:53.35 | gherdo | `Butthead: :) |
| 10:53.36 | grendel | I've got a question may sound stupid, but I never do this... I'm using the resque floppy and at boot: I don't know what to put... I've tried /vmlinuz (I assume it exist) and /dev/hda none of them works... it tell Could not find kerneò image: name of what I've put after boot: |
| 10:53.47 | lugger | does linux support wireless mice and keyboard out of the box? |
| 10:53.54 | tarzeau | lugger: i think so |
| 10:53.59 | mario | hi, i have a problem is that i can't install mplayer-k7 because of a libogg0 conflict { libogg0 (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.0-1 is to be installed ) |
| 10:54.02 | dondelelcaro | lugger: since most wireless mice and keyboards are just usb keyboards, yes. |
| 10:54.02 | helix | probably depends on the distro |
| 10:54.04 | tarzeau | lugger: because at the end it's just usb , or ps/2 or whatever |
| 10:54.10 | mario | I did an it didn't change anything |
| 10:54.12 | tarzeau | lugger: the keyboard controller is supported by linux |
| 10:54.14 | grendel | lugger: yes I'm using them right now |
| 10:54.18 | Zta | Uhm.. I've bought this Radiohead CD, and when I put it in my drive and run cdplay, it says "datadisc 15 tracks". I can mount it, and there's some windows player on the disc. But how do I play the music tracks? |
| 10:54.25 | tarzeau | lugger: and the wireless (mostly infrared) sucks anyways with batteries |
| 10:54.33 | tarzeau | lugger: they never hold long enough, like with vibrators |
| 10:54.43 | dondelelcaro | gherdo: probably need to run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and see if that cleans things up |
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| 10:54.45 | lugger | do we have to make any modification to the kernel... l;ike recompiling it etc? |
| 10:54.58 | Steven_ | is anyone else having problems with apache+php+mysql ? I have pages that are only displayed half, since the last upgrade |
| 10:55.03 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: that's why 110V (or 220V) vibes exist. |
| 10:55.05 | gherdo | dondelelcaro: dpkg-reconfigure does not work. |
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| 10:55.09 | tarzeau | helix: i don't use one for myself, but i found the one of my girlfriend |
| 10:55.14 | dondelelcaro | gherdo: same error? or? |
| 10:55.17 | oskie | f*ckin spam-nation CHINA |
| 10:55.17 | helix | oh, right.. of course |
| 10:55.28 | gherdo | dondelelcaro: alsa-base is broken or not fully installed |
| 10:55.45 | `Butthead | lugger: recompile the kernel now, you can add it as a module. |
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| 10:55.56 | lugger | how about optical mouse.. do we have to configure anything? |
| 10:56.01 | helix | lugger: no |
| 10:56.02 | tarzeau | helix: there's vibrators with real powersupply |
| 10:56.02 | `Butthead | lugger: no |
| 10:56.07 | cromd | greetings all, is anybody familiar with the iptables rules required to move traffic coming in on some arbitrary port, over to a particular host on the IMAP port? |
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| 10:56.14 | tarzeau | helix: in europe 220V, and americans have 110V |
| 10:56.17 | helix | tarzeau: i guess.. i am not the authority. feel free to educate me |
| 10:56.23 | simonrvn | cromd: it's called forwarding |
| 10:56.24 | tarzeau | helix: it was strange what he said, yes ;) |
| 10:56.25 | `Butthead | lugger: when you configure x, tell it you have a scroll mouse |
| 10:56.40 | lugger | `Butthead; i meant do i really have to add the module? is it not enabled by default? |
| 10:56.45 | Flane | hi, when i try to play music in xmms with i810_audio correct loaded it says: choose the correct output plugin, or configure your soundcard or no access to soundcard. why? what i'm making wrong? |
| 10:56.52 | tarzeau | europe sucks even more with power cables, every country has different plugs |
| 10:56.56 | cromd | sorry about the jargon simonrvn ... there's a few diferent expressions used on the documentation i've picked up |
| 10:56.59 | jm_ | Flane: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 10:57.21 | `Butthead | lugger: wireless keyborad and mouse I think you may, hook it up see if it works. |
| 10:57.25 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://www.drugstore.com/qxp70221_333181_sespider/hitachi/magic_wand_vibrator.htm |
| 10:57.26 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i heard about them, but never seen one! |
| 10:57.29 | helix | tarzeau: i was reading about this vibrator that was US$1500 |
| 10:57.32 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: are they good? |
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| 10:57.34 | helix | it's like.. a seat |
| 10:57.34 | simonrvn | cromd: no problem :) |
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| 10:57.40 | Steven_ | I guess I'm the only one that has apache problems ? |
| 10:57.43 | Steven_ | this is new |
| 10:57.43 | tarzeau | helix: hahaha :) photo? |
| 10:57.58 | dondelelcaro | helix: oh, I've seen that one... hrm... what's its name... |
| 10:57.59 | jm_ | helix: sybian ? |
| 10:58.05 | helix | dondelelcaro: i've heard of this (and seen it) but.. i don't think it's my style |
| 10:58.10 | dondelelcaro | jm_: yeah, thats it. |
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| 10:58.13 | helix | jm_: is that what it's called? |
| 10:58.18 | helix | i just saw it mentioned in an article |
| 10:58.27 | bart | Hi im getting an error when compiling my kernel |
| 10:58.33 | bart | depmod not found |
| 10:58.33 | helix | and have been looking for either a better paying job or rich boyfriend ever since.. |
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| 10:58.35 | dondelelcaro | http://www.swingerstore.com/images/sybian.jpg |
| 10:58.39 | jm_ | helix: hehe |
| 10:58.41 | bart | what should i install to fix that? |
| 10:58.52 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah! |
| 10:59.04 | helix | i mean.. yes. that's it. |
| 10:59.18 | streuner | bart: my crystall thingie is right now out of power, can you give us more details? |
| 10:59.26 | arauko | what is the plugin i need to play CDroms with xmms? |
| 10:59.29 | jm_ | I never thought it's so expensive |
| 10:59.30 | simonrvn | bart: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 10:59.39 | jm_ | arauko: it's built-in |
| 10:59.41 | Flane | jm_: thanks - i'm an idiot not thinking of this :-) |
| 10:59.43 | bart | k thxm gonna give that a try |
| 11:00.05 | helix | i didn't know men knew so much about vibrators |
| 11:00.05 | lugger | I really wonder if ladies actually use those things (vibrators i mean) |
| 11:00.15 | cromd | <groan!> :) |
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| 11:00.27 | helix | lugger: well, someone is buying them |
| 11:00.39 | lugger | helix; who is? |
| 11:00.43 | jm_ | helix: <insert random name> rides sybian moveis are common on the net |
| 11:00.44 | Zta | Appears that I just have to be a little more aggressive, and start the cdplay before the cdrom has properly accepted the cd. Weird. Maybe the drive itself tries to make some assumptions about wether the disc is data or audio, and guesses wrong. |
| 11:00.46 | helix | i'd say the market is predominantly female.. so, yes, women use them |
| 11:00.47 | bart | hmm still the error |
| 11:00.54 | helix | jm_: seriously? |
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| 11:00.58 | jm_ | helix: seriously |
| 11:01.02 | bart | ./sbin/depmod not found |
| 11:01.03 | arauko | jm_, it doesnt playt cdrom dude |
| 11:01.04 | helix | jm_: so guys learn about vibrators via pr0n? |
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| 11:01.14 | jm_ | arauko: maybe you don't know how to use it |
| 11:01.16 | cromd | although they don't use them only on females |
| 11:01.16 | streuner | bart: 2.6.0? |
| 11:01.17 | bart | im compiling kernel 2.4.23 |
| 11:01.17 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://www.sybian.com/sybtest4.htm |
| 11:01.23 | jm_ | helix: sure |
| 11:01.24 | dondelelcaro | helix: its $1315 or something |
| 11:01.25 | helix | my female friends don't even know this much about them |
| 11:01.33 | streuner | bart: apt-get install modutils |
| 11:01.34 | topster | hi |
| 11:01.41 | helix | hahaha |
| 11:01.54 | arauko | jm_, yeah i use it all the time... i just reinstall and now it just doesnt work |
| 11:01.54 | dondelelcaro | helix: eh, they just need to become more uninhibitied. plus, knowing a few lesbians doesn't help, either. |
| 11:02.07 | helix | dondelelcaro: true. my friends are rather prudish. |
| 11:02.10 | jm_ | arauko: what did you reinstall ? |
| 11:02.20 | arauko | jm_, xmms |
| 11:02.23 | lugger | helix; in my part, ladies use the most basic and natural ingredient ie banana |
| 11:02.31 | helix | dondelelcaro: i need to meet a lesbian i guess.. i thought i was up on the latest in vibrator developments |
| 11:02.35 | helix | lugger: WHAT? |
| 11:02.38 | arauko | jm_, i type Ctrl+L and enter the cdrom device |
| 11:02.44 | helix | lugger: please tell me they at least put a condom over it.. |
| 11:02.50 | bart | thx streuner that did the trick |
| 11:02.54 | arauko | jm_, what other way do you know to make it working? |
| 11:02.57 | xukun | hi all |
| 11:03.00 | streuner | bart: welcome. |
| 11:03.09 | jm_ | arauko: did you configure CD audio plugin ? |
| 11:03.19 | helix | dondelelcaro: my friends are in the masturbation barbie category, i think |
| 11:03.26 | xukun | I would like to know how I can start samba at start-up? |
| 11:03.27 | lugger | helix; nope and a very ripe one too. And nuns use candles |
| 11:03.33 | Wad | ah, i remember the name of it now! |
| 11:03.35 | lugger | helix; :) |
| 11:03.36 | Wad | dselect :D |
| 11:03.37 | helix | lugger: how do you know this? |
| 11:03.40 | jm_ | xukun: debian package does that by itself |
| 11:03.48 | helix | i can believe the ripe banana thing but jeez.. i'd think it was unsanitary |
| 11:03.53 | gherdo | dondelelcaro: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/unstable_probs.html --> Binaries from alsa-driver 0.9.8-3 cannot be installed |
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| 11:03.59 | arauko | jm_, that must be the problem, i dont have that plugin |
| 11:04.02 | cromd | no, it'd have to be a green banana |
| 11:04.08 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. yeah, they're definetly very interesting to talk to... always strange how I run into them though... |
| 11:04.10 | helix | cromd: a plantain? |
| 11:04.13 | lugger | helix; we get good clean bananas here |
| 11:04.17 | helix | dondelelcaro: how do you run into them? |
| 11:04.19 | cromd | LOL |
| 11:04.19 | jm_ | arauko: Input plugins -> CD Audio Player |
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| 11:04.31 | helix | lugger: i dunno. sticking random fruit in a vagina sounds like a Very Bad Idea to me |
| 11:04.37 | dondelelcaro | helix: if there's one around, that'll be who I attempt to go after. Quite depressing, really. |
| 11:04.46 | helix | dondelelcaro: hahaha.. |
| 11:04.49 | lugger | helix; big ones, small ones ... |
| 11:05.03 | arauko | jm_, i dnt have it dude |
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| 11:05.10 | xukun | jm_, same how every time I have to do /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 11:05.24 | helix | dondelelcaro: that's strange really. i don't recall ever meeting a lesbian IRL. |
| 11:05.33 | helix | they must know i'm straight and avoid me |
| 11:05.34 | irvken | how do I start the dhcp client |
| 11:05.37 | jm_ | arauko: well then you need to figure it out ;) |
| 11:05.43 | arauko | hah |
| 11:05.54 | jm_ | xukun: ok, you need to run update-rc.d properly |
| 11:05.55 | ircdevil | hi |
| 11:05.58 | arauko | jm_, what do you have in the I/O plugins? |
| 11:05.59 | streuner | irvken: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:06.00 | tarzeau | helix: do you want to meet one? |
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| 11:06.14 | oskie | gherdo: is there a log of build errors for each package? my program is in that list... |
| 11:06.14 | helix | tarzeau: yes, so i can tell them about lesbian linux |
| 11:06.14 | ircdevil | how does linux and ip phones work? |
| 11:06.22 | irvken | streuner: was I supposed to? |
| 11:06.22 | jm_ | xukun: update-rc.d samba defaults 20 19 |
| 11:06.25 | Steven_ | is there an answer to this or not ? "is there a log of what packages were upgraded with my last apt-get upgrade?" ? |
| 11:06.30 | tarzeau | helix: www.shoe.org find some in your area there |
| 11:06.31 | dondelelcaro | helix: probably also because they might think you'd be wierded out as well... not to different from gay males and hetero males... |
| 11:06.33 | streuner | irvken: yes, /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 11:07.00 | helix | dondelelcaro: hm, not sure if i give off that impression.. straight people aren't drawn to me either |
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| 11:07.11 | gordonjcp | dondelcaro/helix: did I pick a bad time to arrive? |
| 11:07.17 | oskie | "Join the shitty home of Evita"? |
| 11:07.34 | xukun | jm_, thanks |
| 11:07.39 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.47 | helix | gordonjcp: yeah, you should have come earlier. we were discussing vibrators (something don and tarzeau know a lot about) |
| 11:07.52 | gordonjcp | hehe |
| 11:07.55 | arauko | jm_, need this? xmms-cdread - Input plugin for XMMS that reads audio data from CDs |
| 11:07.57 | ircdevil | hehehe |
| 11:08.01 | tarzeau | very nice |
| 11:08.05 | oskie | http://en.shoe.org/posters/ ok, enough |
| 11:08.10 | ircdevil | ~vibrator |
| 11:08.12 | streuner | irvken: you could start DHCP with ifup -a or just 'pump' |
| 11:08.17 | irvken | when you say "edit" do you mean chage what's there by default, because that look correct to me - auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:08.30 | tarzeau | dpkg vibrator |
| 11:08.30 | dpkg | i don't know, tarzeau |
| 11:08.42 | helix | jeez, you even know about lesbian hangouts.. |
| 11:08.46 | jm_ | arauko: no |
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| 11:08.57 | cromd | dpkg cb2000 |
| 11:08.58 | ircdevil | heh |
| 11:08.58 | dpkg | cromd: i haven't a clue |
| 11:09.00 | helix | guys have some super s3kr1t info |
| 11:09.08 | Wad | can vi edit files also? |
| 11:09.13 | jm_ | arauko: xmms uses /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libcdaudio.so and then /usr/lib/libcdaudio.so.1.0.0 for it |
| 11:09.13 | helix | Wad: yes |
| 11:09.14 | streuner | irvken: what error you got? an DHCP - client is installed? |
| 11:09.15 | tarzeau | Wad: hahaha |
| 11:09.18 | helix | vi can do everything |
| 11:09.23 | helix | !love vi |
| 11:09.29 | Steven_ | do I have to start doubting my irc-client now or what ? |
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| 11:09.33 | Wad | why do i keep getting errors when trying to edit my httpd.conf file? |
| 11:09.34 | Steven_ | does anyone see me type at all ? |
| 11:09.38 | InKyBRB | yup |
| 11:09.45 | gordonjcp | helix: hah! vim or elvis? |
| 11:09.47 | ircdevil | diffvim rox |
| 11:09.48 | streuner | Steven_: no |
| 11:09.50 | cromd | helix, some things are lot easier not using vi, you'd have to admit, surely? |
| 11:09.58 | helix | gordonjcp: vim dude |
| 11:09.59 | InKyBRB | How can i link a directory to a smb share on my network? |
| 11:10.01 | gordonjcp | hehe |
| 11:10.02 | Steven_ | how nice |
| 11:10.05 | streuner | !tell cy_ about away |
| 11:10.07 | Steven_ | is my question too hard or so ? |
| 11:10.11 | helix | cromd: i never learned any other editor so i can't really answer that |
| 11:10.12 | gordonjcp | helix: vim in Unix, elvis in DOS |
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| 11:10.17 | tarzeau | InKyBRB: using html? |
| 11:10.18 | ircdevil | InKyBRB read the smb howto? |
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| 11:10.22 | Steven_ | "dunno" is also an acceptible answer |
| 11:10.23 | arauko | jm_,yeah i got it |
| 11:10.26 | lugger | cromd; that is not true. I do all my work using vi (vim) |
| 11:10.29 | InKyBRB | na in console |
| 11:10.30 | helix | gordonjcp: oh. so was that a trick question? and do you have super secret info about vibrators too? |
| 11:10.31 | ziral | hi |
| 11:10.33 | gordonjcp | helix: are you looking for lesbian hangouts? |
| 11:10.46 | helix | gordonjcp: yeah.. apparently they know a lot more about sex than i do |
| 11:10.50 | irvken | I don't get any errors, it just doesn't pick up any networking info from my ipcop with the new kernel, I can add an ip manually and ping the firewall, but that's about it |
| 11:10.56 | cromd | same here helix, but i recognise the value of other utilities also, it's a pain in the neck wrapping your brain around functionality that's a cinch with awk, why do it in vi? |
| 11:11.02 | lugger | cromd; I find using emacs really frustrating though because of the key combinations |
| 11:11.15 | helix | cromd: i dunno. i never learned awk because i am a bit of a programming retard |
| 11:11.28 | Wad | is it something i'm doing wrong, but i can't edit my httpd.conf file |
| 11:11.30 | streuner | irvken: might be the firewall which blocks the infos |
| 11:11.32 | helix | i'm a bit curmudgeonish about vi |
| 11:11.38 | cromd | LOL ... no-one's a programming retard ... did you ever play with lego helix? |
| 11:11.42 | ircdevil | there are hardly any key combos in vim. i regularly use only around 100 |
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| 11:11.50 | helix | cromd: no, i'm a girl. i got barbies. |
| 11:11.50 | irvken | streuner: unlikely works fine with all the other boxes |
| 11:11.51 | jm_ | arauko: both ? |
| 11:11.53 | gordonjcp | helix: I think they're more interested in finding out about their bodies. Certainly, as a hetero guy, having quite a few lesbian friends has taught me some interesting stuff |
| 11:11.53 | lugger | Wad; try vi /etc/httpd.conf |
| 11:11.57 | irvken | red hat and xp |
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| 11:12.05 | helix | gordonjcp: wtf! you have lesbian friends too?! |
| 11:12.09 | helix | why don't i have any? |
| 11:12.10 | irvken | and the old debian kernel |
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| 11:12.14 | streuner | irvken: tried to disable firewall? |
| 11:12.16 | helix | they are an untapped resource |
| 11:12.18 | cromd | then did you ever use paints or play dough helix? |
| 11:12.22 | arauko | jm_, ooh ooh. no :) |
| 11:12.27 | helix | cromd: yes |
| 11:12.28 | arauko | jm_, i dont have it dude |
| 11:12.28 | Wad | lugger: i'm in the file. but it doesn't let me edit it. i remove my port number and it just won't let me enter anything else after removal :( |
| 11:12.43 | gordonjcp | helix: yeah, one of my best friends is a lesbian |
| 11:12.43 | jm_ | arauko: maybe you have to find out what provides it then |
| 11:12.44 | helix | i made flowers and pasta out of playdoh |
| 11:12.47 | irvken | debian ahs a firewall turned on by default? |
| 11:12.50 | tarzeau | helix: i'm sorry |
| 11:12.54 | jm_ | irvken: no |
| 11:12.56 | lugger | Wad; u should have the required permissions... try logging in as root |
| 11:12.59 | streuner | irvken: no |
| 11:13.00 | gordonjcp | well, more bi actually. I've known her since we were 3 or something |
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| 11:13.00 | helix | tarzeau: i know you are |
| 11:13.00 | irvken | I didn't think so |
| 11:13.01 | ircdevil | irvken no |
| 11:13.04 | cromd | helix, it's almost the same thing ... getting used to the way a few bits and pieces go with each other and the rest is sheer imagination |
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| 11:13.18 | Wad | lugger: ya, i'm in as root. but i still can't change it |
| 11:13.19 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice people who use 'u' |
| 11:13.20 | helix | cromd: one time i took a sort of shell programming class in college. i barely passed |
| 11:13.32 | irvken | my firewall is an ipcop/router, I won't get anywhere if I turn it off |
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| 11:13.36 | Wad | omg |
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| 11:13.40 | helix | well, i got a B so that's not entirely accurate but it was rather difficult for me |
| 11:13.40 | cromd | helix: bah! bad lecturers, that's all |
| 11:13.45 | atm2 | jm_ : regex /\.chm$ \n Open=xchm '%f' \n view=xchm '%f' \n doesn't make a change. |
| 11:13.46 | irvken | it's also the dhcp server |
| 11:13.47 | Wad | that was why! "ins" wasn't activiated :( |
| 11:13.52 | lugger | Wad; look at the permissions of the file... ls -l httpd.conf |
| 11:13.56 | jm_ | atm2: did you replace \n with enter ? |
| 11:13.57 | helix | cromd: i have accepted my programming idiocy. i think you should too. |
| 11:14.01 | xukun | jm_, update-rc.d samba defaults 20 19 |
| 11:14.01 | xukun | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.02 | arauko | jm_, libcdaudio0 - library for controlling a CD-ROM when playing audio CDs. i installed it.. but it doesnt work |
| 11:14.09 | ircdevil | Wad heh |
| 11:14.15 | gordonjcp | <cromd> helix, it's almost the same thing ... getting used to the way a few bits and pieces go with each other and the rest is sheer imagination |
| 11:14.19 | jm_ | arauko: yes, how about xmms' input plugin ? |
| 11:14.20 | cromd | LOL ... never say die helix ... mind you, if you just don't want to, that's another thing entirely :) |
| 11:14.22 | streuner | irvken: ok, what kernel you use, what version of debian? |
| 11:14.22 | arauko | jm_,i still dont have libcdaudio.so.1.0.0 |
| 11:14.25 | gordonjcp | cromd: no truer word was said! |
| 11:14.28 | xukun | Jm_ i,m sure that is not the case |
| 11:14.39 | helix | cromd: i desperately wanted to.. but i couldn't wrap my head around it |
| 11:14.41 | atm2 | jm_ : Yes, but no change. |
| 11:14.45 | jm_ | arauko: it doesn't have to be exactly the same filename (especially if you don't use debian stable) |
| 11:14.47 | ircdevil | ~cure |
| 11:14.48 | | somebody said cure was a Cure for a hangover requires said drunk user to ingest large volumes of liquid (of non-alcoholic preference) before passing out. This keeps the body and brain hydrated throughout the night causing little to not hangover the following day |
| 11:14.48 | irvken | woody, I'm trying to upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 |
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| 11:14.49 | helix | maybe i should go to a programming camp where they beat it into your head all day |
| 11:14.51 | lugger | gordonjcp; give me a good erotic stories site... will u? |
| 11:14.59 | jm_ | xukun: huh ? |
| 11:15.01 | ziral | exists any howto for create miniDEBIAN ? (64MB) ? |
| 11:15.04 | arauko | jm_,i only have libcin.so, libmpg123.so, libtonegen.so, libwav.so |
| 11:15.07 | jm_ | atm2: it works for me |
| 11:15.12 | irvken | 2.2 works fine, 2.4 can't find the network without a bit of help |
| 11:15.14 | arauko | jm_, i have no libcdaudio |
| 11:15.16 | jm_ | arauko: are you using unstable ? |
| 11:15.17 | gordonjcp | lugger: I have no idea |
| 11:15.25 | arauko | jm_, yup |
| 11:15.27 | lugger | gordonjcp; ok |
| 11:15.28 | irvken | and then it can't find the internet |
| 11:15.29 | cromd | helix, there's heaps of half-decent tutes out there on the internet and even a few really good ones ... next holidays give yourself some time to get into it ... if you really want to that is ... write a game or something |
| 11:15.31 | atm2 | jm_ : good for you. Can you give me a hint? |
| 11:15.31 | gordonjcp | lugger: alt.sex.stories newsgroups? |
| 11:15.38 | jm_ | atm2: I just did ? |
| 11:15.47 | arauko | jm_, dont tell me it isnt available for it :( |
| 11:15.49 | helix | i want to write a lesbian |
| 11:15.51 | lugger | gordonjcp; i know of one ... www.literotica.com |
| 11:15.51 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: you want ASSR |
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| 11:16.01 | helix | who has a wealth of sex info that has been hidden from me for all these years |
| 11:16.03 | lugger | gordonjcp; very very good... top class |
| 11:16.03 | cromd | try altarboy :) |
| 11:16.03 | atm2 | jm_ : But it didn't work. What can be wrong? |
| 11:16.04 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: no, lugger wants ASSR |
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| 11:16.14 | dondelelcaro | rrr... |
| 11:16.16 | dondelelcaro | ASSM |
| 11:16.18 | helix | RAE? |
| 11:16.19 | tam | gordonjcp: alt.sex.stories? do i get to go too :-P |
| 11:16.20 | helix | ASSM? |
| 11:16.23 | helix | damnit |
| 11:16.27 | xukun | Jm_ I,m getting this masage after I entered update-rc.com for samba: System startup links for /etc/init.d/samba already exist. |
| 11:16.28 | Steven_ | for anyone who is interested : you can see what packages were upgraded by looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info, and checking the files that recently changed |
| 11:16.29 | dondelelcaro | helix: rec.arts.erotica and alt.sex.stories.moderated |
| 11:16.34 | atm2 | jm_ : xchm work OK. |
| 11:16.36 | helix | you're the best |
| 11:16.37 | helix | kthx |
| 11:16.42 | gordonjcp | tam: no, you're not old enough. Go back to stealing Ford Escorts, you scruffy little weegie |
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| 11:16.54 | jm_ | xukun: did you run it twice ? |
| 11:16.56 | streuner | irvken: interfaces is enough to make it...., just delete all routes you gave manually and run 'ifup -a' |
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| 11:17.02 | tam | gordonjcp: i absoloutely hate you now. |
| 11:17.06 | helix | hahaha |
| 11:17.08 | tam | i hate the effin word weegie |
| 11:17.11 | jm_ | atm2: well what happens when you press enter or f3 on such file ? |
| 11:17.17 | gordonjcp | tam: haha |
| 11:17.22 | xukun | jm_, no just once |
| 11:17.30 | tarzeau | www.asstr.org |
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| 11:17.34 | atm2 | jm_ : I get hashes |
| 11:17.39 | calamari_ | re's |
| 11:17.39 | tarzeau | ASSM is archived |
| 11:17.41 | arauko | jm_, ideas dude? |
| 11:17.47 | helix | jeez |
| 11:17.59 | oskie | Sex Eductation via www.empornium.us? :) |
| 11:18.08 | jm_ | arauko: are you always asking someone to hold your hand ? I gave you a filename that you need to find, so do that |
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| 11:18.11 | jm_ | atm2: what hashes ? |
| 11:18.14 | calamari_ | I'd like to add a Debian source to sources.list, but I can't find where a list of http/ftp sites are |
| 11:18.19 | jm_ | xukun: then you already have links |
| 11:18.20 | cromd | you want a real education try http://www.tpe.com/~altarboy/ |
| 11:18.23 | arauko | jm_, yeah i guess thats it |
| 11:18.25 | helix | that lady has a lot of hair |
| 11:18.26 | xukun | jm_, I can restart the system and see if samba is running |
| 11:18.31 | tarzeau | oskie: didn't know that but www.thehun.net and www.autopr0n.com |
| 11:18.39 | shaddai | calamari_: you should search |
| 11:18.45 | tam | what is good sms software if i were to build an sms gateway? |
| 11:18.52 | lord_rob | calamari_: apt-setup |
| 11:18.56 | tarzeau | tam: do you have a cellphone? |
| 11:18.58 | calamari_ | shaddai: I looked around debian.org and didn't see anything |
| 11:18.59 | streuner | tam: apt-cache search sms |
| 11:19.09 | tam | tarzeau: yes |
| 11:19.11 | atm2 | jm_ : mc edits the file but it 's unreadeable. It 's not for reading. |
| 11:19.13 | tam | streuner: heh |
| 11:19.26 | jm_ | atm2: I don't understand that |
| 11:19.28 | tarzeau | tam: there is some software for nokia cell phones, but i never got to run it with mine (with infrared) |
| 11:19.29 | RainbowW | Is it appropriate to file a Debian bug on a sid package that has a known security hole in it, and the fix is available from the originator of the program? |
| 11:19.30 | gordonjcp | tam: gnokii and an old Nokia phone with a datacable |
| 11:19.42 | tam | sweet |
| 11:19.44 | mush | wb |
| 11:19.44 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: yes, assuming the package in sid hasn't been fixed. |
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| 11:19.44 | gordonjcp | tam: I've got a cable for an 8110 if it's any good to you |
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| 11:19.58 | tam | gordonjcp: i've got a 51xx about here somewhere |
| 11:19.59 | streuner | tarzeau: what's the german name for cellphone? |
| 11:20.00 | atm2 | jm_ : it looks like a binary file inside. |
| 11:20.02 | ircdevil | hmmm lousy record. 40.7 in spamassassin default config |
| 11:20.03 | cromd | Is anyone here au fait with forwarding with iptables? |
| 11:20.03 | xukun | jm_, can u tell me the console command of how to see if samba is running |
| 11:20.03 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: which package, btw? |
| 11:20.09 | jm_ | atm2: ahh if you press f3 ? |
| 11:20.11 | oskie | tarzeau: hah... full length pr0n movies for free, though not legally |
| 11:20.17 | tarzeau | streuner: in swiss german, we say "handy" or "mobile" (short of mobiltelefon) |
| 11:20.20 | atm2 | jm_ : yes. |
| 11:20.34 | tam | gordonjcp: what i was thinking about is setting up a cgi thing and then put it on the web for people who i know to use (as edward says earlier) |
| 11:20.36 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: xchat versions 2.06 (without the corrective fix) and lower. The version I have from sid is 2.0.5, updated today. |
| 11:20.37 | streuner | tarzeau: DOH :-) |
| 11:20.56 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: I'm looking through the docs to see if the fix was backported; if it has been, I'll shut up. :) |
| 11:20.57 | tam | gordonjcp: so i don't need any special sms modem or nothing like that? |
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| 11:21.01 | jm_ | xukun: smbstatus -p |
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| 11:21.16 | jm_ | atm2: did you try restarting mc ? |
| 11:21.21 | xukun | jm_ thanks a lot |
| 11:21.24 | PoLLaR | hello, is it posible to forbit user to leave his dir in shell ? |
| 11:21.36 | Wad | well, night you all :) |
| 11:21.42 | Wad | have a good night and sucj |
| 11:21.43 | Wad | such^ |
| 11:21.45 | atm2 | jm_ : ;) thx |
| 11:21.47 | linuxfreck | PoLLaR: rbash |
| 11:21.48 | ircdevil | remove the cd command |
| 11:21.51 | tam | PoLLaR: like kill his shell account? |
| 11:21.53 | atm2 | jm_ : good job |
| 11:21.53 | tarzeau | streuner: we also say "natel" |
| 11:21.59 | jm_ | atm2: heh |
| 11:22.01 | cromd | must away good peoples ... enjoy each other ... take care |
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| 11:22.19 | cromd | n.b. Helix, try that coding ... you'll find it most cathartic :) |
| 11:22.22 | cromd | fare thee well |
| 11:22.22 | tarzeau | streuner: conservative people say to every electronic thing "box" (swiss german "kästli") |
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| 11:22.38 | streuner | tarzeau: hehehe :-) |
| 11:22.45 | PoLLaR | tam no :) |
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| 11:23.04 | atm2 | jm_ : ;) but now it starts xchm. It is not opening a selected file. |
| 11:23.07 | PoLLaR | i need just 'permision denied' message if user will try to leave his dir |
| 11:23.21 | PoLLaR | :) |
| 11:23.22 | jm_ | atm2: wait, remove -f |
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| 11:23.29 | xukun | does anybody know if there is only one cd of debian(minimal) if can download? |
| 11:23.39 | tarzeau | xukun: yes |
| 11:23.40 | jm_ | xukun: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 11:23.55 | streuner | xukun: or /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 11:23.57 | jm_ | atm2: ahh I didn't say -f, ignore that |
| 11:24.14 | atm2 | jm_ : OK, so what is your suggestion? |
| 11:24.20 | xukun | thanks guys |
| 11:24.25 | jm_ | atm2: what exactly is the problem now ? |
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| 11:25.05 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: hrm. was it fixed in woody? |
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| 11:25.15 | atm2 | jm_ : When a file with extention chm is pressed mc automaticly opend xchm but not the file foo.chm |
| 11:25.43 | jm_ | atm2: well does xchm accept command line arguments ? ... |
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| 11:26.42 | oskie | oh, this is fun: for a in `seq 1 10000`; do mkdir t; cd t; done |
| 11:26.54 | reso | ircdevil : are you irc'ing after a night of good boozing? |
| 11:26.59 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: Remember that my question was about ettiquite. I looked further to check if had been fixed in the deb, or if previous versions were affected. It turns out that the bug affects only unpatched releases of 2.0.6, so the version in sid (2.0.5) is not vulnerable. |
| 11:27.29 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: I mistakenly thought that it was vulnerable because the "news item" on xhcat.org is unclear, tho the full xchat-announce message is very clear. |
| 11:27.32 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: ah, you could just send a note to the maintainer then... probably would appreciate it. |
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| 11:27.53 | atm2 | jm_ : Well, jm_ maybe you know an alternative chm reader? |
| 11:27.59 | HOT-DOG | I had a weird problem with apache... I compiled kernel 2.6.0 and it was working fine. until I tried to start apache... :) It wasn't going to start... after further investigation, I figured that by uninstalling and reinstalling php4, it was going to fix the problem... any clues about that? :) |
| 11:28.04 | jm_ | atm2: sorry, I have no idea what chm is |
| 11:28.15 | ircdevil | reso i dunno, i cant remember ... |
| 11:28.25 | streuner | !chm |
| 11:28.26 | dpkg | to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHelp Data) use the chmLib (and it's example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/ . |
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| 11:29.25 | ziral | exists any howto for create miniDEBIAN ? (64MB) ? |
| 11:29.55 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: what are your favourite story codes on a.s.s.m? |
| 11:30.05 | tarzeau | does anyone read/post to c.o.l.a? |
| 11:30.19 | tarzeau | what other newgroups are gems? |
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| 11:31.46 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: I sort of read at random... just about everything I'll glance at... |
| 11:31.59 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: some of the harder stuff isn't for me, though. |
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| 11:32.50 | tarzeau | define harder |
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| 11:33.59 | dondelelcaro | !murder asimov |
| 11:34.56 | gordonjcp | cah, call that a netsplit? |
| 11:35.05 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, considering that harder goes the whole gamut to death and other really wierd fantasies... *shrug* |
| 11:36.13 | tarzeau | helix: title? |
| 11:36.20 | helix | "innocence" |
| 11:36.22 | helix | BOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 11:37.12 | gordonjcp | every time I've looked on asstr.org it's all been really fucked up stories about people turning into dogs and stuff |
| 11:37.27 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: hahahaha i've never seen such thing |
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| 11:37.59 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: maybe it's just me |
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| 11:38.07 | Wad[Serv] | hey :D |
| 11:38.09 | tarzeau | let me find my favourite story |
| 11:38.12 | RainbowW | is there a way to clear the queue of what dselect wants to do? Some change I've made (but not committed) looks like it wants to remove all of X as well as other useful bits of software. |
| 11:38.14 | helix | one of the strangest erotica stories i read was about a woman having sex with a dragon |
| 11:38.14 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: maybe their server is running mod_givegordonjcpweirdshit or something |
| 11:38.16 | Wad[Serv] | i have a quick question |
| 11:38.16 | data | i got an AMD XP 2600+. how do i have to set the MHz's in the BIOS? 2600? 1800? |
| 11:38.21 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: hehe :) |
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| 11:38.28 | Wad[Serv] | how do i restart services on debian without restarting the computer? |
| 11:38.32 | gordonjcp | helix: that would be pretty strange |
| 11:38.36 | jm_ | data: BIOS should set it automatically |
| 11:38.40 | RainbowW | Wad[Serv]: /etc/init.d/[service script] restart |
| 11:38.41 | ciga | Wad[Serv]: /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:38.45 | data | Wad[Serv]: /etc/init.d/service start |
| 11:38.54 | data | jm_: what if it does not do it? |
| 11:39.01 | Wad[Serv] | cool |
| 11:39.03 | Wad[Serv] | thanks 3x |
| 11:39.06 | helix | gordonjcp: actually, i lie. the strangest i read was about a guy giving a male dolphin a handjob and then having sex with a female dolphin |
| 11:39.15 | helix | and claiming she enjoyed it |
| 11:39.17 | helix | uhhhh.. |
| 11:39.19 | jm_ | data: did you check jumpers on your motherboard ? |
| 11:39.21 | gordonjcp | helix: yeah, that's pretty strange |
| 11:39.21 | data | it sets it to 1.100 in safety mode |
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| 11:39.30 | data | jm_: is bios setting |
| 11:39.40 | gordonjcp | helix: there was that guy a few years ago, who was caught shagging a dolphin in the Bristol Channel |
| 11:39.45 | helix | hahaha |
| 11:39.49 | helix | wow |
| 11:39.51 | gordonjcp | yeah |
| 11:39.51 | jm_ | data: does it detect CPU as XP2600+ ? |
| 11:39.58 | gordonjcp | like, I mean, *how*? |
| 11:40.01 | helix | that's gotta be embarrassing |
| 11:40.08 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: dang. I'm surprised he didn't get drowned... |
| 11:40.19 | reso | I am suprised he managed at all... |
| 11:40.32 | reso | the logistics of finding a dolphin and seducing it must be staggering |
| 11:40.36 | dondelelcaro | probably haephestus style... |
| 11:40.38 | gordonjcp | reso: what, with the cold and all |
| 11:40.40 | RainbowW | if I fry /var/lib/dpkg will that horribly gork my package management? or is that built dynamically? |
| 11:40.40 | helix | haha |
| 11:41.00 | jm_ | RainbowW: it canbe rebuilt with lots of skills and messing arround, but don't bet on it |
| 11:41.10 | tarzeau | gordonjcp, dondelelcaro, helix http://groups.google.ch/groups?q=pirate+bounty+group:alt.sex.stories.moderated&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sex.stories.moderated&selm=42665asstr%241054019408%40assm.asstr.org&rnum=10 |
| 11:41.13 | gordonjcp | I wonder if you get kinky dolphins that fantasise about having sex with humans? |
| 11:41.26 | tarzeau | this series is great, if you like femdom: her cabin boy! read from 1/21 to 21/21 |
| 11:41.38 | ciga | RainbowW: dpkg --set-selection |
| 11:41.39 | helix | tarzeau is my new best friend |
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| 11:41.45 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: i'd love to mate a dolphin, check www.dolphinsex.org |
| 11:41.47 | comet_11 | lol |
| 11:41.48 | RainbowW | ciga: danke |
| 11:41.54 | gordonjcp | woot! |
| 11:41.55 | helix | whoa. i take that back. |
| 11:41.56 | ciga | RainbowW: pite :) |
| 11:41.59 | gordonjcp | guess what! |
| 11:41.59 | tarzeau | helix: smile |
| 11:42.11 | gordonjcp | goatee.cx is still available! |
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| 11:43.06 | tarzeau | helix, dondelelcaro: will you read it? i'd love to hear what you think of that story |
| 11:43.20 | comet_11 | lol, google groups |
| 11:43.31 | RainbowW | ciga: --set-selections and then use what file? < /dev/null didn't do it. :) |
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| 11:43.59 | helix | this would have been perfect for pirate day |
| 11:44.00 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: heh. |
| 11:44.14 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ShonRichards/HerCabinBoy01.txt |
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| 11:44.31 | ciga | RainbowW: 'dpkg --get-selections perl' shows the state of the package |
| 11:44.51 | bob2 | hah, Free Internet Erotica! |
| 11:45.05 | tarzeau | bob2: good morning :) |
| 11:45.13 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, read your scrollback... ;-) |
| 11:45.20 | bob2 | does asstr.org enforce the EFSG? |
| 11:45.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: we've been dredging a bit... |
| 11:45.33 | tarzeau | bob2: hahah :) |
| 11:45.46 | RainbowW | ciga: Yes ... is there not a way to deactivate all "deinstall" statuses wholesale? Or do I need to copy and paste the list of packages it wants to remove, and then run a --set-selections with that list? |
| 11:45.50 | helix | i think it was tarzeau's fault |
| 11:45.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: howdy. |
| 11:45.54 | xukun | jm_ after restarting the linux box if look smbstatus -p I get a lot of info why samba is not started |
| 11:46.02 | jm_ | xukun: and ? |
| 11:46.16 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: you are not permitted to enforce OTness for about 8 months, from...now ;-) |
| 11:46.16 | dondelelcaro | helix: vibrators... |
| 11:46.26 | ciga | RainbowW: 'echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selection' the way to hold the package |
| 11:46.26 | tarzeau | yes this time it's my fault! |
| 11:46.28 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, it was tarzeau who first mentioned them |
| 11:46.36 | xukun | jm_ It is about four lines but not sure if I can paste it |
| 11:46.42 | helix | completely randomly, i might add |
| 11:46.48 | jm_ | xukun: what does it say ? |
| 11:46.50 | RainbowW | ciga: My concern is that I'm dealing with 190 packages. :) |
| 11:47.00 | ciga | RainbowW: it is not a problem. |
| 11:47.05 | ircdevil | i need to take a walk. fresh air. remembrance ... |
| 11:47.08 | ciga | RainbowW: what do you want to do? |
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| 11:47.19 | jm_ | RainbowW: dpkg --get-selections|sed|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 11:47.34 | bob2 | I won't ask about the connection between vibrators and erotic fiction, but how did you make the jump from debian to vibrators ? |
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| 11:47.51 | beware | the debian machine gives all the pleasure |
| 11:47.52 | xukun | jm_ mainly this: /var/run/samba/connections.tdb not initialised |
| 11:47.52 | xukun | This is normal if an SMB client has never connected to your server. |
| 11:48.05 | helix | bob2: tarzeau mentioned something about the short life of vibrator batteries |
| 11:48.06 | helix | iirc |
| 11:48.12 | jm_ | xukun: well did you check if smbd is running ? |
| 11:48.13 | dondelelcaro | 02:54 <tarzeau> lugger: and the wireless (mostly infrared) sucks anyways with batteries |
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| 11:48.13 | bob2 | ah |
| 11:48.16 | dondelelcaro | 02:54 <tarzeau> lugger: they never hold long enough, like with vibrator |
| 11:48.23 | dondelelcaro | (the wireless being wireless keyboards) |
| 11:48.25 | helix | bob2: and then don piped up with some more info |
| 11:48.25 | tarzeau | bob2: helix wanted to kill me because her graphics card broke |
| 11:48.28 | bob2 | so he'd need to go BATTERY SHOPPING fairly often? |
| 11:48.31 | helix | yes, i did |
| 11:48.40 | bob2 | also: |
| 11:48.43 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 11:48.43 | helix | tarzeau: that was obviously the precursor - snuff |
| 11:48.44 | tarzeau | bob2: haha :) |
| 11:48.45 | ircdevil | what tool do you use to rip dvd's to divx? |
| 11:48.47 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yes, so I mentioned the 110V vibrators... and we decended from there. |
| 11:48.47 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: nicads, possibly? |
| 11:48.48 | helix | yay! |
| 11:48.50 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 11:48.59 | dondelelcaro | bob2: well, 220V for you... |
| 11:49.00 | bob2 | ah, I see. |
| 11:49.02 | jm_ | ircdevil: I recommend DVD:Rip |
| 11:49.10 | xukun | jm_ samba is not running becouse I can not connect the windows clients to it. I can only connect if I manualy start samba |
| 11:49.18 | helix | bob2: i never thought those two things would actually be sort of on topic for the discussion |
| 11:49.22 | jm_ | xukun: did you check its logs ? |
| 11:49.24 | ciga | RainbowW: or for i in `dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | awk '{ print $1}`; do echo $1 hold | dpkg --set-selection; done; or whatever you need |
| 11:49.25 | helix | go figure |
| 11:49.33 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: i don't believe into batteries |
| 11:49.34 | xukun | not yet |
| 11:49.40 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: real manpower is what my girlfriend likes best |
| 11:49.42 | xukun | jm_ not yet |
| 11:49.46 | bob2 | helix: oh, I'm just glad there's a logical explanation for it all. |
| 11:49.59 | helix | haha |
| 11:50.09 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: you could epoxy a spindle into an ordinary dildo, then stick in a cordless drill |
| 11:50.10 | helix | otherwise we'd be banned for lewd discussion? |
| 11:50.24 | beware | hm |
| 11:50.32 | beware | does everyone have a girlfriend or so |
| 11:50.32 | ciga | RainbowW: at least something like that :) |
| 11:50.49 | tarzeau | beware: yes one at a time, usually |
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| 11:51.04 | bob2 | beware: sure doesn't sound like it. |
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| 11:51.15 | gordonjcp | beware: I do, don't know about anyone else |
| 11:51.21 | helix | bob2: only because everyone in here is far too deviant to find a match.. |
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| 11:51.27 | z|bandito | anyone have experience running linux on a MicroStar K7TM Pro Motherboard - Socket A VIA KT133 Chipset (MS-6340) or similar motherboard from that manufacturer [MSI]? or know where I might find compatibility information regarding it? |
| 11:51.33 | bob2 | helix: maybe we need matchmaker.debian.org? |
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| 11:51.41 | helix | bob2: sure.. i could have a harem |
| 11:51.43 | tarzeau | dpkg dff |
| 11:51.44 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 11:51.46 | bob2 | helix: to help deviant geeks find LUUUUURVE? |
| 11:51.50 | bob2 | hehehe |
| 11:52.05 | tarzeau | bob2: maybe i should ask for "likes" and "dislikes" too in the forms, huh? |
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| 11:52.12 | RainbowW | ciga: should that not be --set-selection`; done; ? also, space such as: `{ print $1 }` ? thx |
| 11:52.17 | gordonjcp | helix: the answer is to find another deviant geek of the appropriate sex |
| 11:52.19 | helix | # apt-cache search bdsm debian developer |
| 11:52.20 | reso | sweetest pocket protector ever: http://www.geekboys.com/blank.asp |
| 11:52.39 | z|bandito | gordonjcp maybe you need to look at fuckingmachines.com |
| 11:52.42 | z|bandito | ;] |
| 11:52.55 | beware | anyway. where is the NETLINK option? i cant find it anywhere. kernel 2.4.23. they say i need it to get QoS working |
| 11:52.55 | helix | gordonjcp: i think i could find that. not so sure about the guys |
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| 11:53.17 | dondelelcaro | I still like the "Will code for foo" signs I used to have... |
| 11:53.20 | gordonjcp | helix: yeah, female deviant geeks are thin on the ground, I'm very lucky |
| 11:53.34 | tarzeau | i know one! |
| 11:53.41 | reso | dondelelcaro: heh, that is good |
| 11:53.42 | gordonjcp | z|bandito: hahaha |
| 11:53.44 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-10-party/ the last picture |
| 11:53.50 | adrighem | is there anyone else where gedit hangs on startup? strace says it's hanging on a fcntl64 call... |
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| 11:53.52 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: I know one too... |
| 11:53.56 | adrighem | (debian Sid bytheway) |
| 11:53.59 | tarzeau | ah damn wrong url |
| 11:54.18 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian10party/ the last picture |
| 11:54.19 | z|bandito | gordonjcp: the question is, of course, do they run debian? ;) |
| 11:54.24 | helix | i know one three |
| 11:54.32 | tarzeau | helix: girls or boys? |
| 11:54.37 | xela | Hello. I just upgraded from Woody with sarge sources to Sarge. Since then xfree86 looks "weird" like only every second pixel is drawn |
| 11:54.39 | gordonjcp | helix: there may be more in the future, but there's a lead time of ~20 years |
| 11:54.40 | tarzeau | helix: i know hundreds of boys :) |
| 11:54.50 | xela | (Notebook with ATI rage and TFT display) |
| 11:54.59 | helix | haha |
| 11:55.02 | tarzeau | she likes to compile kernels |
| 11:55.04 | nevyn | fuck dating. |
| 11:55.06 | helix | i like boys |
| 11:55.20 | nevyn | seriously |
| 11:55.21 | ciga | RainbowW: no. here it is : for i in `dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall`; do echo "$1 hold" | dpkg --set-selections; done; |
| 11:55.37 | bob2 | nevyn: s/ing/s/ |
| 11:56.01 | ciga | RainbowW: sorry for that. bad blocks in my mind. |
| 11:56.09 | pt00 | hi, how can i upgrade from woody to sarge |
| 11:56.18 | helix | my kids will be scary, for sure |
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| 11:56.22 | helix | and 8 feet tall |
| 11:56.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell pt00 about woody->sarge |
| 11:56.44 | gordonjcp | helix: are you tall? |
| 11:56.50 | helix | yeah, kinda |
| 11:56.51 | helix | 5'10 |
| 11:56.58 | nevyn | bob2: see that's the plan.. but I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen that often. |
| 11:57.02 | tarzeau | dpkg helix |
| 11:57.03 | dpkg | well, helix is see gnome1.2, or ask me about "removing helixcode", or una seductora, or http://www.double-helix.org/etc/effoff.JPG |
| 11:57.03 | gordonjcp | heh, my gf is 5'10", I'm 6' |
| 11:57.04 | helix | don't ask me to convert that to cm, thx |
| 11:57.18 | helix | gordonjcp: awesome. big people! |
| 11:57.28 | bob2 | helix: perverted 8-foot tall kids that can't balance? |
| 11:57.35 | chemicallyrelian | 175cm about |
| 11:57.41 | helix | bob2: hm. i can balance |
| 11:57.42 | gordonjcp | I'm about 14 stone, I used to be 15 stone but I'm fatter and have less muscle now |
| 11:57.51 | ciga | :) |
| 11:57.55 | bob2 | blah, blehdios! |
| 11:58.24 | RainbowW | ciga: One last and I think you'll have the magic secret. dpkg is bitching about unexpected eol in package name at line 1 |
| 11:58.27 | chemicallyrelian | got GNU/Muscle? |
| 11:58.45 | helix | tarzeau: is that you in the picture also? |
| 11:58.58 | tarzeau | helix: yes the guy with the red shirt and the beer |
| 11:59.11 | helix | like there were so many choices.. |
| 11:59.14 | tarzeau | helix: that was 16th august 2003, i drunk quite much (free beer, and food) |
| 11:59.29 | helix | heh |
| 11:59.30 | ciga | RainbowW: change this 'echo "$1 hold" | dpkg --set-selections;' to 'echo "$1 hold"' for the test. it works here fine. |
| 11:59.30 | tarzeau | it was a nice evening |
| 11:59.33 | gordonjcp | I don't know if there's any pictures of me on the net |
| 11:59.37 | chemicallyrelian | i'll bet. |
| 11:59.44 | tarzeau | debian 10th birthday in zurich |
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| 12:00.21 | tarzeau | my favourite irc quote is: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/german.txt (it's english) |
| 12:00.40 | tarzeau | warning! |
| 12:00.45 | gordonjcp | helix: nice pic |
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| 12:01.02 | billy | lol |
| 12:01.27 | helix | gordonjcp: thanks |
| 12:01.29 | ircdevil | omg. nerds! |
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| 12:01.53 | ciga | tarzeau: ;) |
| 12:01.56 | tarzeau | that's in #demoscene if you care |
| 12:02.06 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: this is IRC. What did you expect? Jocks? |
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| 12:02.43 | FATMOUSE | I MUST FEED |
| 12:02.47 | gordonjcp | helix: my mate's website has loads of photos, but in nearly all of them I'm under one car or another |
| 12:02.56 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed FATMOUSE |
| 12:02.58 | helix | gordonjcp: heh.. nice shoes ;P |
| 12:03.15 | FATMOUSE | FATMOUSE EATS NIPPLES FOR BREAKFAST LUNCH AND SECOND BREAKFAST |
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| 12:03.24 | FATMOUSE | GORDONJCP FROM KURO5HIN? |
| 12:03.31 | FATMOUSE | ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF |
| 12:03.31 | dondelelcaro | FATMOUSE: stop using caps. |
| 12:03.32 | helix | what in gods name |
| 12:03.35 | tam | ~caps |
| 12:03.37 | | well, caps is don't type all caps words at all. use _* to _emphasize_ them. |
| 12:03.41 | gordonjcp | FATMOUSE: the very same... |
| 12:03.41 | helix | this is such a sunday type day |
| 12:03.42 | tarzeau | helix: i'd hide my nipples |
| 12:03.44 | FATMOUSE | okay |
| 12:03.49 | gordonjcp | helix: nice shoes? where? |
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| 12:03.55 | helix | man, one of my cats tried to feed off of me the other day |
| 12:04.00 | helix | that was fucking bizarre |
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| 12:04.02 | chemicallyrelian | its tuesday |
| 12:04.07 | arauko | jm_, just check.. the problem isnt that library |
| 12:04.14 | helix | chemicallyrelian: thanks, i know |
| 12:04.14 | tola | can anyone help? I'm trying to get my creative live! platinum card to work under Debian unstable. I just did apt-get install discover which loaded the emu10k1, sound, ac97_codec and soundcore modules. XMMS still won't play my mp3s. What should I try next? |
| 12:04.30 | FATMOUSE | gordonjcp, i am the esteemed bankofamerica atm |
| 12:04.31 | tarzeau | tola: load more sound modules using modconf |
| 12:04.35 | ircdevil | ~audio |
| 12:04.36 | | somebody said audio was much easier |
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| 12:04.37 | FATMOUSE | it is a pleasure to meet you |
| 12:04.43 | gordonjcp | FATMOUSE: thank you |
| 12:04.53 | helix | hahaha |
| 12:04.55 | tola | ~audio |
| 12:04.56 | | audio is, like, much easier |
| 12:04.57 | chemicallyrelian | you mean a kitten right? |
| 12:05.02 | helix | i love bank of america atm's |
| 12:05.13 | helix | chemicallyrelian: yeah.. well, not really a kitten.. he's 5 months old |
| 12:05.16 | FATMOUSE | i am the bankofamerica atm |
| 12:05.16 | helix | he should be weaned |
| 12:05.16 | tam | FATMOUSE: wouldn't be a pleasure if you met him in real life :-) |
| 12:05.17 | ircdevil | apt forget audio |
| 12:05.17 | | i forgot audio, ircdevil |
| 12:05.23 | FATMOUSE | IRC IS REAL LIFE |
| 12:05.40 | ircdevil | apt audio is To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 12:05.42 | | ircdevil: okay |
| 12:05.43 | tam | i didn't say it wasn't |
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| 12:05.52 | ircdevil | stupid bot |
| 12:05.52 | FATMOUSE | so gordonjcp, what do you think of hulver's site |
| 12:06.02 | gordonjcp | been on it a couple of times, it seems pretty good |
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| 12:06.08 | chemicallyrelian | i love the drive thru atm's. i seen a guy just walk thru the drive thru atm, with all these cars waiting behind. heh. |
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| 12:06.29 | gordonjcp | helix: where did you find a pic of my shoes? |
| 12:06.44 | helix | gordonjcp: i was kidding.. it's kind of a popular pick-up line in the US, i guess |
| 12:06.52 | FHOSTING | Hello! Somebody can help me with new pakages in Debian???????????????? |
| 12:06.53 | FHOSTING | ? |
| 12:06.56 | helix | gordonjcp: it goes "nice shoes. wanna fuck?"... not that i was hitting on you |
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| 12:07.03 | ircdevil | apt telll FHOSTING about ask |
| 12:07.06 | gordonjcp | helix: ah, heh |
| 12:07.12 | gordonjcp | must remember that |
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| 12:07.30 | tola | tarzeau: any module in particular? I've already loaded all the ones that look relevent |
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| 12:07.38 | tarzeau | tola: load randomly them |
| 12:07.44 | ircdevil | helix |
| 12:07.47 | ircdevil | heh |
| 12:07.48 | helix | gordonjcp: it's kind of along the lines of "there's a party in my pants and you're invited" |
| 12:08.02 | gordonjcp | "my face leaves in ten minutes, be on it" |
| 12:08.03 | ircdevil | "you look tires. shall i hold your boobs?" |
| 12:08.10 | ircdevil | tired |
| 12:08.10 | tarzeau | ircdevil: hahahah |
| 12:08.12 | helix | the new version of that is: i know this sounds silly but there really *is* a party in my pants |
| 12:08.17 | gordonjcp | ircdevil: lol |
| 12:08.25 | tam | gordonjcp: you must forget th at...yer with caroline, remember? |
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| 12:09.11 | FATMOUSE | FATMOUSE DOES NOT CARE FOR YOUR WMD. FATMOUSE DOES NOT CARE FOR YOUR SMALL PRESIDENT. THESE THINGS ARE NOT IMPORTANT. ONLY CALORIES ARE IMPORTANT. TURNING OFF CAPSLOCK DESTROYS PRECIOUS CALORIES. YOUR BIG AZZ BOMBS ARE LARGE. BUT FATMOUSE IS LARGER. FATMOUSE WILL SWALLOW YOUR BOMBS FOR FATMOUSE MUST FEED. |
| 12:09.15 | gordonjcp | tam: heh |
| 12:09.23 | helix | LOL |
| 12:09.32 | helix | er. didn't mean to keep the caps crusade going.. |
| 12:09.33 | chemicallyrelian | enough with the caps. |
| 12:09.44 | helix | this guy is hilarious |
| 12:09.45 | FATMOUSE | TURNING OFF CAPSLOCK DESTROYS PRECIOUS CALORIES. |
| 12:09.46 | ircdevil | FHOSTING just speak in the channel no need to msg |
| 12:10.05 | ircdevil | hehehehe |
| 12:10.17 | gordonjcp | helix: http://lodge.glasgownet.com/gallery/Landie-Engine-Change-2/aaf <- a fairly typical photo of me |
| 12:10.54 | mark | hi, without packages.debian.org how can I find a list of files in a certian package? |
| 12:11.10 | tarzeau | http://www.gozer.org/window_maker/irc/tarzeau and that's me |
| 12:11.12 | FHOSTING | ircdevil do you know how to update or install new pakages for debian (apache2.0.48, php-4.3.3), because deselect dosn't see them? |
| 12:11.17 | FHOSTING | can you help me? |
| 12:11.20 | tarzeau | when i'm not drunk |
| 12:11.22 | helix | i think everyone has seen my pic |
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| 12:11.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com] by simonrvn |
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| 12:11.24 | helix | so whatever |
| 12:11.32 | helix | gordonjcp: lovely back |
| 12:11.35 | tam | lol |
| 12:11.51 | Piete | heh, you went easy on him :) he was kickbanned from #gentoo :P |
| 12:12.01 | ircdevil | apt tell FHOSTING about ask |
| 12:12.03 | simonrvn | that's what i just did |
| 12:12.08 | tam | gordonjcp: i thought you got rid of volvo |
| 12:12.24 | Piete | simonrvn, woops,, nevermind me then :) |
| 12:12.26 | gordonjcp | tam: yeah that photo was taken ages ago |
| 12:12.31 | tam | ah |
| 12:12.33 | gordonjcp | willie's got the Volvo now |
| 12:12.44 | tam | ahh |
| 12:12.46 | helix | jeez, i'm glad i went with bellsouth |
| 12:12.49 | tam | is that his new crusade gordonjcp ?] |
| 12:12.52 | gordonjcp | heh |
| 12:12.52 | helix | !tell Piete about away |
| 12:13.12 | gordonjcp | tam: it's after his failed short-wheelbase conversion for the Fiat |
| 12:13.57 | Piete | helix, sorry bout that |
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| 12:14.04 | helix | bash.org needs to get to work |
| 12:14.16 | gordonjcp | yeah |
| 12:14.25 | *** part/#debian Piete (~abri@210.205.137.212) |
| 12:14.30 | gordonjcp | it pisses me off that they post all kinds of lame stuff from the same few people every time |
| 12:14.38 | helix | no kidding |
| 12:14.43 | gordonjcp | and won't post bits from other people |
| 12:14.45 | helix | they've rejected every single quote i submitted |
| 12:14.46 | DelEat | how do I make a debian package from a standard tarball? |
| 12:14.56 | tarzeau | helix: mine too! |
| 12:15.05 | ircdevil | bash.org needs a new voting system. the best cites are not on the top 50 |
| 12:15.06 | gordonjcp | helix: and me |
| 12:15.06 | tarzeau | DelEat: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 12:15.10 | simonrvn | dh-make, debuild, dpkg-buildpackage,.... |
| 12:15.13 | DelEat | tarzeau: hey! |
| 12:15.30 | helix | bastards. they don't know humor (or humour) |
| 12:15.36 | DelEat | Why does this stuff only happen in the US: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/26/toddlers.claim.ap/index.html |
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| 12:15.51 | gordonjcp | helix: http://lodge.glasgownet.com/gallery/Landie-Engine-Change-2/aac <- from the front, desperately in need of tea and a big hammer |
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| 12:16.01 | gordonjcp | and yes, the steering wheel is on the wrong side |
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| 12:16.36 | helix | gordonjcp: how old are you? |
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| 12:16.46 | alexksso | hi guys! |
| 12:16.46 | tarzeau | gordonjcp: she likes you |
| 12:16.57 | helix | that is an untruth |
| 12:17.03 | tarzeau | helix: it was just a guess |
| 12:17.04 | ircdevil | DelEat there was a good article on the subject in last weeks newsweek |
| 12:17.05 | alexksso | any1 got some experience running kerberos? got some hard time setting it up |
| 12:17.11 | _AAKOO_ | Hello! I just tried to install debian over the network and the installation program reported that fileutils package is corrupted.. |
| 12:17.33 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: did you md5sum check the .iso? |
| 12:17.37 | tarzeau | before and after burning? |
| 12:17.43 | chemicallyrelian | what file is it? someone here can give you md5sum i think. |
| 12:17.52 | _AAKOO_ | no .. I did not use cd |
| 12:18.11 | _AAKOO_ | i tried to install over the network |
| 12:18.17 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: i386? |
| 12:18.20 | _AAKOO_ | yes |
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| 12:19.11 | _AAKOO_ | I actually tried first installing with cd but after corrupted fileutils I tried network install and got the same error |
| 12:19.28 | DelEat | ircdevil: yeah? lawsuits in general, or this specific case? |
| 12:19.35 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: you install stable, right? |
| 12:19.41 | _AAKOO_ | yes |
| 12:19.46 | ircdevil | DelEat i have the newpaper cutout from a case where a man insured a box of cigars, smoked the cigars and get the insurence money because they "burned". |
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| 12:19.50 | sam__ | hi, i've got a Fuji @xia ix-100 camera I can get it to work from root but can't get it to register as a normal user in gtkam, I think it's permissions but which ones ? |
| 12:19.50 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: does dmesg say anything? |
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| 12:19.53 | zergouille_ | do you know of a good soft to retrieve a web site ? |
| 12:19.55 | ircdevil | DelEat lawsuits in general |
| 12:20.08 | tarzeau | zergouille_: wget |
| 12:20.12 | tarzeau | zergouille_: lftp might work too |
| 12:20.22 | _AAKOO_ | tarzeay -> Wait a second I am going to see |
| 12:20.26 | sam__ | xrgouille: try wget |
| 12:20.39 | ircdevil | DelEat anyway, this cigar-smoker is now in jail. the insurance company could prove 40 cases of arson based on the mans own testimony in the first case. |
| 12:20.46 | zergouille_ | tarzeau, o, but will wget follow some links on the web site ? |
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| 12:20.49 | gordonjcp | helix: 30 |
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| 12:21.05 | alexksso | i'm trying to add a kerberos principal but it says :"add_principal: Operation requires ``add'' privilege" but getprivs says :"current privileges: GET ADD MODIFY DELETE" any clue ? |
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| 12:21.09 | tarzeau | zergouille_: it has parameters options to configure that, man wget |
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| 12:21.21 | amundsen | hi |
| 12:21.33 | amundsen | does flashplugin work with mozilla 1.5 ? |
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| 12:22.10 | Wybe1988 | hello> |
| 12:22.12 | Wybe1988 | ? |
| 12:22.14 | Wybe1988 | anybody here? |
| 12:22.20 | tarzeau | Wybe1988: hello |
| 12:22.20 | sam__ | yup |
| 12:22.27 | zergouille_ | tarzeau, o okay. thx :-) |
| 12:22.31 | ircdevil | Wybe1988 628 of us |
| 12:22.33 | Wybe1988 | wassup in the channel man? |
| 12:22.39 | Wybe1988 | :D |
| 12:22.42 | ircdevil | Wybe1988 /topic |
| 12:22.59 | Wybe1988 | right |
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| 12:23.30 | gordonjcp | helix: why do you ask? |
| 12:23.30 | xukun | jm_ there is nothing in samba.log. I wonder if samba makes a log if samba is not started |
| 12:23.31 | _AAKOO_ | tarzeau : Fileutils-4.1-10_i386.deb was corrupt ..could not download fileutils |
| 12:23.48 | tarzeau | debian packages don't have capital letters |
| 12:23.51 | ircdevil | dont we have welcome factoid? |
| 12:23.54 | tarzeau | did you donwload on windows? |
| 12:24.08 | neqm | can someone elucidate me on the reason bugs stay opened for years and years? |
| 12:24.16 | _AAKOO_ | taf |
| 12:24.18 | ircdevil | or some factoid briefly explaining what this channel is about? |
| 12:24.19 | _AAKOO_ | sorry |
| 12:24.19 | neqm | I mean, a bug staying open for more than five years that doesn't make much sense for the common mortal |
| 12:24.22 | tarzeau | neqm: because the bugs are not fixed |
| 12:24.38 | tarzeau | neqm: also ask in #debian-bugs and #debian-devel and the mailinglists |
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| 12:24.44 | chemicallyrelian | apathy. |
| 12:24.44 | chemicallyrelian | ignorance. |
| 12:24.51 | chemicallyrelian | lethargy. |
| 12:24.51 | chemicallyrelian | obselecense. |
| 12:24.57 | _AAKOO_ | tarzeau: I booted debian from a floppy and installed needed kernel modules to get access net |
| 12:24.58 | tarzeau | neqm: it does, if the software still exists and the bug too, and nobody fixes it |
| 12:25.03 | chemicallyrelian | patents. |
| 12:25.08 | chemicallyrelian | heh. |
| 12:25.09 | _AAKOO_ | then I switched to network install |
| 12:25.13 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: maybe that floppy disk is bork? |
| 12:25.27 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: or your network cable, or something, or your mirror, i have no idea |
| 12:25.30 | jm_ | xukun: you can use various debug levels |
| 12:25.31 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: which mirror did you use? |
| 12:25.41 | gordonjcp | ircdevil: it's for arguing about editors, and discussing how to have sex with dolphins |
| 12:25.41 | tarzeau | _AAKOO_: try the mirror i use, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:25.58 | _AAKOO_ | i have tried different mirrors |
| 12:26.09 | neqm | tarzeau: what do you mean? look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=project |
| 12:26.29 | xukun | jm_ Like please talk to like a child learing to speak. I,m very new in this |
| 12:26.30 | tarzeau | neqm: which one? |
| 12:26.52 | ircdevil | gordonjcp editor way factoid, that one i know ... but |
| 12:26.52 | ircdevil | ~dolphin sex |
| 12:26.57 | Wybe1988 | sex :P |
| 12:26.57 | tarzeau | !dolphin sex |
| 12:26.57 | jm_ | xukun: man smbd, look for -d switch |
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| 12:27.11 | xukun | jm_ thanks. I will do that |
| 12:27.14 | neqm | tarzeau: the older ones lol |
| 12:27.16 | Wybe1988 | /part #debian |
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| 12:27.46 | ircdevil | apt dolphin sex is updatedb; locate dolphin; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 12:27.59 | | ircdevil: okay |
| 12:28.00 | tarzeau | Wybe1988: wait look at www.dolphinsex.org first |
| 12:28.15 | tarzeau | Wybe1988: also read http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ShonRichards/HerCabinBoy01.txt |
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| 12:28.35 | Zap-W | does cron run jobs as root? |
| 12:29.00 | jm_ | if they fall into categaories started with root privileges, then yes |
| 12:29.00 | tarzeau | Zap-W: it can |
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| 12:29.41 | DelEat | ircdevil: haha - sorry a little delayed - working more desktops... In courts here, the case would be thrown out! |
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| 12:30.09 | Zap-W | if what falls ? |
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| 12:30.39 | xukun | jm_ I looked -d switch, but I already changed my log level in smb.conf to 10 |
| 12:31.06 | tarzeau | jm_: that was for you :) |
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| 12:31.11 | Zap-W | i added a bash script to cron.daily with read write and execute privileges only to root |
| 12:31.13 | tarzeau | if what falls? :) |
| 12:31.17 | jm_ | xukun: no, modify samba file in init.d |
| 12:32.32 | Zap-W | will it work? |
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| 12:33.21 | Zap-W | btw, how can one tell if it is the motherboard or the cpu that is damaged? |
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| 12:34.03 | Sebulba02 | have you taken the CPU out and looked at it? |
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| 12:34.28 | InKyBRB | i'm wanting to stream music across a network and be able to administer the playlist via a web interface (if possible) is there anything anyone recommends? |
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| 12:35.09 | ircdevil | InKyBRB hmmmm internet radio like. that is done |
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| 12:35.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: awake? |
| 12:36.08 | ircdevil | InKyBRB have a look here: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=radio§ion=projects |
| 12:36.11 | InKyBRB | thx |
| 12:36.14 | jm_ | SlayerXP: yes |
| 12:36.18 | InKyBRB | i just tried icecast2 but not quite sure what's going on with ogg files? |
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| 12:36.30 | jordi | to get the x window system, what should i order to apt ? |
| 12:36.36 | jm_ | jordi: tasksel |
| 12:36.36 | SlayerXP | jm_: I have a completely bizarre problem with X and the 'hash' key on my keyboard |
| 12:36.47 | jm_ | SlayerXP: like ? |
| 12:36.58 | nerdzrool | I just installed 2.6 but my mouse does not work what should I do? |
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| 12:37.07 | jm_ | nerdzrool: maybe modprobe mousedev |
| 12:37.08 | InKyBRB | thanks ircdevil |
| 12:37.26 | jordi | i want to use apt, i don't like taskel, i forgot how to instal w-xindow system with apt (don't remember the names of the packages) |
| 12:37.32 | SlayerXP | jm_: well, the hash keys refuses to work at all. however, when I press alt+f1 to drop back to the command line, pressing the hash keys returns me to X, ala alt+f7 |
| 12:37.37 | jm_ | apt-cache search is your friend |
| 12:37.40 | SlayerXP | hash key singular |
| 12:38.05 | jm_ | SlayerXP: what does xev say when you press # ? |
| 12:38.14 | jordi | i know, i've tried, but i don't know which keywords lead to the packages... |
| 12:38.28 | jm_ | x window system |
| 12:38.35 | jordi | k, thks a lot ! |
| 12:38.54 | SlayerXP | jm_: it's 4 lines, flood or /msg ? |
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| 12:39.02 | SlayerXP | {hash}flood :) |
| 12:39.10 | jm_ | SlayerXP: keycode part is enough |
| 12:39.15 | Dewi | I vote for flood! |
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| 12:39.24 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.26 | calamari_ | hi |
| 12:39.28 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:39.51 | jordi | which is the name of the package which contains the x-window-system ? |
| 12:39.55 | SlayerXP | also XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" |
| 12:39.59 | calamari_ | I had to stop apt-get in the middle of installing gtk (I had X open, oops). Is there a way to resume ? |
| 12:40.09 | jm_ | SlayerXP: try xmodmap -e keycode 12 = 3 numbersign |
| 12:40.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: lots of errors, was I meant to type that verbatim? |
| 12:40.53 | chemicallyrelian | XFree86, isn't it? |
| 12:41.00 | jm_ | SlayerXP: maybe it should be -e '...' |
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| 12:41.10 | jm_ | calamari_: apt-get again |
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| 12:41.23 | SlayerXP | jm_: no change |
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| 12:41.39 | skfarek | hi. i have a problem with console-common (SID). after setting i've got error: KDGKBENT at index 128 in table: Wrong argument |
| 12:41.39 | SlayerXP | do you mean keycode 92? |
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| 12:41.49 | jordi | if i use: apt-get install xfree86 it will install x window system ? |
| 12:41.52 | calamari_ | jm: that just gives a list of apt-get options |
| 12:41.55 | jm_ | SlayerXP: no, it's 12 here - shift+3 |
| 12:41.59 | jm_ | calamari_: ehh apt-get install foo |
| 12:42.03 | jm_ | jordi: no |
| 12:42.20 | Guardian_ | Hi pals! |
| 12:42.24 | jm_ | SlayerXP: maybe it's on different key on UK keyboards though |
| 12:42.28 | jordi | what should i try: apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 12:42.34 | Guardian_ | Wait, you said X Window sys? |
| 12:42.40 | jm_ | jordi: /msg apt setup x |
| 12:42.43 | SlayerXP | jm_: oddly, this was working just fine earlier. All i've been doing is messing around with kernels |
| 12:42.50 | Guardian_ | Thats actually what I want to know about |
| 12:43.08 | calamari_ | it wants to remove x... :(((( |
| 12:43.16 | Guardian_ | Hello! |
| 12:43.22 | calamari_ | apt-get -f install is evil |
| 12:43.38 | Guardian_ | Why is it evil? |
| 12:43.44 | calamari_ | I think I might be screwed |
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| 12:43.54 | calamari_ | it wants to remove x for no good reason |
| 12:44.29 | Guardian_ | Can anybody devote to me? |
| 12:44.30 | jm_ | SlayerXP: maybe you need to check what happens on console too |
| 12:44.34 | calamari_ | will that delete my x config files? |
| 12:44.37 | Guardian_ | I want help with packages! |
| 12:44.49 | tarzeau | calamari_: not unless you say --purge |
| 12:44.54 | tarzeau | calamari_: but i'd abort anyways |
| 12:45.00 | tarzeau | if you don't want it to be removed |
| 12:45.02 | SlayerXP | jm_: this may be related to the very odd error messages I get on boot I suppose. |
| 12:45.06 | tarzeau | helix: there still? |
| 12:45.17 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: Hii there! |
| 12:45.21 | SlayerXP | jm_: I think I may wish to drop back to 2.4 for a while |
| 12:45.26 | tarzeau | Guardian_: hi |
| 12:45.33 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I think I will hold off 2.6 for a while anyway |
| 12:45.38 | tarzeau | Guardian_: what country do you live in? |
| 12:45.42 | jordi | i want to install the x-window-system, is this correct: apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 12:45.44 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: In Czech |
| 12:46.02 | Guardian_ | Whats APT??? |
| 12:46.13 | tarzeau | whatis apt |
| 12:46.13 | tarzeau | apt (8) - Advanced Package Tool |
| 12:46.14 | | tarzeau: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:46.19 | Guardian_ | How do I install in Debian?? |
| 12:46.38 | tarzeau | Guardian_: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
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| 12:46.49 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: I know :DD |
| 12:46.58 | Splatt | hey |
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| 12:47.08 | Guardian_ | But what does that do??? |
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| 12:47.27 | Splatt | Is there a local root exploit in 2.4.18? and if so.. can it be fixed without losing uptime? |
| 12:47.40 | SlayerXP | Splatt: yes, no. in that order. |
| 12:47.45 | ircdevil | Guardian_ read www.debian.org |
| 12:47.47 | Splatt | :*( |
| 12:47.49 | jordi | if i want to install the X Window System, can i do it with: apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 12:47.57 | ircdevil | Guardian_ oops. forget |
| 12:48.09 | Guardian_ | jordi: HI! |
| 12:48.27 | Guardian_ | jordi: Thats just what I want to know! lol |
| 12:48.37 | jordi | Guardian_: ¿? |
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| 12:48.47 | calamari_ | I'm doing it now.. I'll let you know if it works ;) |
| 12:49.01 | Guardian_ | jordi: z? Whats that? |
| 12:49.17 | tarzeau | jordi: , Guardian_ , yes |
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| 12:49.44 | jordi | tarzeau: thks, i'm going to try it |
| 12:49.45 | calamari_ | it seems to have worked (x-window-system) |
| 12:50.01 | chemicallyrelian | jordi, why don't you just type in apt-get install XFree86. if it works you're set, if it doesn't then you try another name. |
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| 12:50.07 | chemicallyrelian | or, you could try dselect |
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| 12:50.19 | chemicallyrelian | or that one that begins with k. |
| 12:50.45 | jordi | which is the lightiest window manager ? |
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| 12:51.08 | tarzeau | jordi: amiwm |
| 12:51.18 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 12:51.18 | Guardian_ | What's XFree86?? |
| 12:51.32 | jordi | rox: hi, u help me a lot long time ago, happy christmas ¡¡ how r u doing ? |
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| 12:52.07 | shaddai | tarzeau: ugly music for an ugly screenshot |
| 12:52.15 | xsdg | Guardian_: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/ |
| 12:52.19 | xsdg | Guardian_: read, read, read :o) |
| 12:52.29 | tarzeau | shaddai: what do you listen to? |
| 12:52.42 | shaddai | metal :) |
| 12:52.56 | shaddai | Playing MPEG stream from Children Of Bodom - The Trooper.mp3 ... |
| 12:53.24 | mush | jordi: ratpoison |
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| 12:54.44 | chemicallyrelian | guardian XFree86 is the software which provides the nice point and click interface for linux. |
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| 12:55.39 | SlayerXP | jm_: weird. if I plug a (non USB) keyboard in, it works fine |
| 12:55.46 | xerophyte | In my /tmp directory i have directory called /tmp/ssh-XXrQtn9p what is that directory ? |
| 12:56.02 | shaddai | xerophyte: do you have ssh-aget running ? |
| 12:56.03 | gordonjcp | helix: I take issue a little with your Male Privilege Checklist... |
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| 12:56.28 | xerophyte | shaddai what is that ? |
| 12:56.56 | jm_ | SlayerXP: hmm you should check your scancodes with various configs and kernels, list kernel's tables as well |
| 12:56.58 | DelEat | xerophyte: or a keychain? |
| 12:57.27 | SlayerXP | jm_: I think the "boot protocol" drivers are confusing the issue |
| 12:57.35 | SlayerXP | I've disabled them, just rebuilding |
| 12:58.03 | xerophyte | deleat keychain??? |
| 12:58.09 | DelEat | ssh-keychain |
| 12:58.11 | xerophyte | shaddai can you brief me please |
| 12:58.21 | oskie | what's a nerfherder? |
| 12:58.31 | chemicallyrelian | can i use a ADSL router for a dial up line, as in like a dial up mode for when my cap is exceeded and dial up goes faster? |
| 12:58.32 | Sebulba02 | its started by default most of the time, used or not. |
| 12:58.37 | shaddai | xerophyte: i don't use ssh-agent, but iirc it uses temp files |
| 12:58.51 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I see 2.6 has some fanky new options :) |
| 12:58.57 | Sebulba02 | oskie: a herder of nerfs? |
| 12:58.59 | shaddai | btw, it's ssh-agent, not -aget :) |
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| 12:59.11 | oskie | Sebulba02: what's a nerf? :) |
| 12:59.25 | xerophyte | shaddai i ran chkrootkit and its returned my server is infected with slapper warm? do i need to format the drive to remove this or just need to upgrade the openssl .. |
| 12:59.31 | DelEat | oskie: google 'nerf' |
| 12:59.35 | ciga | shit. dpkg is out again. |
| 12:59.44 | ciga | does woody have libpng12.so.0? |
| 12:59.47 | DelEat | shaddai: it does |
| 12:59.57 | xerophyte | DelEat i dont know what are thouse means but my server is infected with slapper worm |
| 13:00.03 | xerophyte | DelEat how can i remove it |
| 13:00.03 | DelEat | shaddai: I use ssh-agent (ssh-add) to load a keychain - it uses /tmp |
| 13:00.10 | chemicallyrelian | can i use a ADSL router for a dial up line, as in like a dial up mode for when my cap is exceeded and dial up goes faster? |
| 13:00.12 | oskie | DelEat: i did, but it didn't get any more enlightened |
| 13:00.13 | DelEat | xerophyte: no idea |
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| 13:00.22 | DelEat | oskie: nerf - look for the brand |
| 13:00.24 | shaddai | DelEat: thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 13:00.39 | shaddai | xerophyte: upgrade openssl |
| 13:00.44 | shaddai | xerophyte: and ls -la /tmp |
| 13:00.48 | Sebulba02 | uh, 'nerfherder' comes from the 4th starwars movie |
| 13:00.49 | shaddai | there are hidden files |
| 13:00.55 | shaddai | hidden binary files |
| 13:00.57 | oskie | DelEat: 1) www.nerfherder.net (some kind of music band) 2) www.nerf.com (Hasbro's Nerf, some kind of game?) |
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| 13:01.35 | oskie | Nerf HQ was started around 1997, by one teenager who's obsession over nerf lead him to create his own nerf website. |
| 13:01.39 | oskie | whatever. |
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| 13:02.24 | oskie | now I get it.. nerf is something you shoot |
| 13:02.31 | FHOSTING | Somebody have exim4+mysql compiled .deb pakage? |
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| 13:02.51 | oskie | FHOSTING: exim4-daemon-heavy? |
| 13:02.52 | xerophyte | shaddai i have checked the tmp i dont see any files there which mean the slapper worm is removed .. or do i need to reinstall the os and start from the beginning |
| 13:02.57 | InKyBRB | does find work with smbmount'd directories? |
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| 13:03.10 | tarzeau | InKyBRB: sure |
| 13:03.20 | shaddai | xerophyte: well, try to read white papers about slapper, but I guess it is ok now |
| 13:03.21 | FHOSTING | yes but with mysql support |
| 13:03.31 | InKyBRB | hmm :/ getting no results but it works outside my mounted /music directory |
| 13:03.40 | oskie | FHOSTING: it should hjave mysql support... |
| 13:03.40 | InKyBRB | with: find /music -name -r "*.mp3*" -print |
| 13:03.57 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: "In addition to the features already supported by exim4-daemon-light this version of the Exim daemon includes extra features such as LDAP, PostgreSQL and MySQL data lookups, SPA SMTP authentication and embedded Perl interpreter." |
| 13:04.02 | tarzeau | InKyBRB: man find |
| 13:04.08 | tarzeau | InKyBRB: you have to use --follow something or so |
| 13:04.09 | InKyBRB | reading that now :) |
| 13:04.14 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: amazing what a little RTFM can tell you, isn't it? |
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| 13:04.17 | InKyBRB | kk thx |
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| 13:04.47 | tarzeau | or that -follow is for symlinks |
| 13:04.51 | chemicallyrelian | are you saying slapper works with SAMBA service? as well at Windoze? |
| 13:04.52 | tarzeau | i don't know what your problem is |
| 13:04.56 | oskie | i want to code |
| 13:04.57 | FHOSTING | but how to install new pakages like apache2.0.48, because dselect can't install them? |
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| 13:05.01 | tarzeau | oskie: what? |
| 13:05.03 | InKyBRB | ok i have some symlinks |
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| 13:05.11 | InKyBRB | thanks tarzeau |
| 13:05.16 | oskie | tarzeau: that I don't know! something intriguing! :) |
| 13:05.19 | DelEat | oskie: get to it ;-) |
| 13:05.33 | tarzeau | oskie: why not write a story for a.s.s.m ? |
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| 13:05.45 | oskie | tarzeau: story? a.s.s.m? |
| 13:05.48 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: apache2 is available is sid and experimental. maybe testing too, though I don't know for sure. |
| 13:05.59 | uws | alt.some.stupid.messageboard? |
| 13:06.38 | FHOSTING | but how to install all new pakages from /pool, dselect can't install them too? |
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| 13:06.59 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: if dselect is confusing you, use apt-get |
| 13:07.30 | xerophyte | shaddai thx |
| 13:07.32 | SlayerXP | DelEat: forever, in fact. |
| 13:07.36 | tarzeau | oskie: http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ShonRichards/HerCabinBoy01.txt |
| 13:07.37 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 13:07.40 | DelEat | FHOSTING: dpkg -i foobar.deb |
| 13:07.48 | tarzeau | oskie: you missed the fun, wait i have the logs |
| 13:07.57 | DelEat | SlayerXP: nah, we're only talking about 16gb - to a REMOTE server! |
| 13:08.07 | FHOSTING | apt-get write that can't find pakage apache2? |
| 13:08.15 | DelEat | SlayerXP: and I'm about 440mb into it... *sigh* |
| 13:08.21 | Sebulba02 | DelEat: /backup is off your root.. its circular |
| 13:08.31 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: apache2 is available in sid and experimental. are you using sid or experimental? |
| 13:08.38 | SlayerXP | DelEat: that's not what I meant. |
| 13:08.38 | FHOSTING | no\ |
| 13:08.50 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: then you can't have apache2, simple. |
| 13:08.54 | DelEat | Sebulba02: oh yeah... damn... |
| 13:09.05 | oskie | tarzeau: hah. that's a highly interesting story |
| 13:09.08 | DelEat | Sebulba02: can tar exclude a dir? |
| 13:09.08 | FHOSTING | but how with apache1.3.29? |
| 13:09.16 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: but how _what_? |
| 13:09.21 | Sebulba02 | DelEat: probably, dunno.. man tar ? |
| 13:09.35 | tarzeau | oskie: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian/debian-fun-301203.log |
| 13:09.35 | SlayerXP | DelEat: yes, 'info tar' |
| 13:09.36 | DelEat | Sebulba02: already there |
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| 13:09.54 | FHOSTING | i can't install apache1.3.29 too, depends on perl 5.8 |
| 13:09.54 | tarzeau | oskie: look for helix, dondelelcaro and gordonjcp |
| 13:10.32 | FHOSTING | and with mysql i have problem like that too |
| 13:10.38 | oskie | tarzeau: hah.. it was not the discussion about lesbians? |
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| 13:10.44 | SlayerXP | FHOSTING: then install perl 5.8 |
| 13:10.45 | FHOSTING | mysql need libc6 |
| 13:10.49 | lapp | hi! |
| 13:10.49 | tarzeau | oskie: no more like vibrators and batteries |
| 13:11.01 | tarzeau | oskie: later it went over to dolphins and interesting newsgroups |
| 13:11.04 | FHOSTING | but in /pool i can't find libc6 |
| 13:11.05 | oskie | tarzeau: oh yeah.. i was watching that one :) |
| 13:11.11 | oskie | tarzeau: interesting, i didn't stay that long |
| 13:11.27 | tarzeau | oskie: haha don't miss the fun, read the log |
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| 13:11.42 | lapp | somebody knows where can I obtain an ATI Radeon Mobile IGP 345M ? |
| 13:11.50 | GomoX | lapp: in a shop |
| 13:11.57 | lapp | drivers |
| 13:11.59 | lapp | ;) |
| 13:12.09 | lapp | -I forgot the word- |
| 13:12.18 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : yes, it appears clean , no burn marks , sorry for delay.. |
| 13:12.30 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : any other ideas? |
| 13:12.54 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: probably the mother board then, can you swap it out with another one? |
| 13:13.09 | oskie | haha, <helix> tarzeau is my new best friend |
| 13:13.12 | ktd | hello, i have the following problem, hope some people here can help me with this. shell01:/home# hdparm -c3 -m16 -d1 /dev/hda |
| 13:13.21 | neqm | when people install debian and want to configure their sound board and they don't know how to compile a kernel, what are they intended to do? |
| 13:13.25 | ktd | but it's not activating dma support, kernel support is activated |
| 13:13.33 | tarzeau | oskie: i really liked that |
| 13:13.40 | DelEat | I can exclude files based on a PATTERN, but a subdir of a dir I want ? |
| 13:13.41 | ktd | it gives me: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 13:14.15 | Steven_ | ktd : you probably have the wrong ide controller driver |
| 13:14.34 | Steven_ | ktd : check with lspci |
| 13:14.38 | lapp | well, let's google it x| |
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| 13:14.59 | oskie | :) <bob2> helix: maybe we need matchmaker.debian.org? |
| 13:15.04 | ktd | Steven_: thx i will have a look |
| 13:15.06 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : nope , dont have anything to test it on |
| 13:15.06 | gordonjcp | FHOSTING: just caught up there, I know that Exim 3 hasn't got MySQL support in Woody but it's trivially easy to add |
| 13:15.22 | irvken | all working, finally got a compiled and working 2.4.23 kernel working with Debian Woody, thanks for all the help - you know who are you are, the patient ones |
| 13:15.26 | chemicallyrelian | maybe the drive doesn't support DMA? |
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| 13:16.11 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: I suppose you could take it somewhere to get diagnosed, but it'll probably be expensive. I don't think there are any easy ways to see if a motherboard has died then to test it against a known good one. |
| 13:16.46 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : the heatsink fell of the cpu , my brother turned the pc on while it was hanging off the cpu, it ran for a few seconds then the mobo shut everything down .., he tried a few times |
| 13:17.23 | tarzeau | chemicallyrelian: more likely the controller/board/chipset doesn't |
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| 13:18.11 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: modern boards have censors that allow it to shut itself off when it overheats.. so you put the sync back on and it doesn't start? |
| 13:18.13 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : a computer store agreed to test the cpu on his AMD motherboard , tomorow he will have one to test it on.. |
| 13:18.33 | Sebulba02 | s/sync/sink |
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| 13:19.27 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : i put the grease and the heatsink back on , the motherboard powers up , cdrom , nic led light on..but no ok beep ,it hangs |
| 13:19.40 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : can't shut down the mobo either have to unplug manually |
| 13:19.45 | Zap-W | only reset button works |
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| 13:20.19 | Sebulba02 | sounds like the motherboard |
| 13:20.19 | DerBadejunge | why is ftp.de.debian.org down ??? i need some working morrors |
| 13:20.44 | iscsi | debian.org -> mirrors |
| 13:20.52 | iscsi | there are tons of mirrors |
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| 13:21.13 | DerBadejunge | iscsi: ah, i see ist back again :-) thnk you |
| 13:21.35 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : :(( |
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| 13:22.05 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : just from a bump ? the motherboard is that fragile? |
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| 13:22.15 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: have you checked the link for you? |
| 13:22.15 | Zap-W | hmm][][] |
| 13:22.21 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: it can be |
| 13:22.22 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: on http://debstats.dontexist.org ? |
| 13:22.26 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: excuse me? |
| 13:22.30 | Zap-W | i will try MSI tech support.. |
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| 13:22.44 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: seeing you had a live heatsink sitting on it, who knows? |
| 13:23.05 | Zap-W | Sebulba02 : a live heatsink? |
| 13:23.40 | Sebulba02 | Zap-W: you said the heatsink was sitting on the motherboard, no? |
| 13:24.23 | Zap-W | yes..on the cpu |
| 13:24.40 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: that's very amusing. |
| 13:24.44 | Sebulba02 | err |
| 13:24.45 | iscsi | Have prob here: inside debootstrap, I can't switch from root to normal user via "su <user>" ->Error message "no shell". /bin/bash is present and in /etc/passwd bash is set for this user. Any idea? |
| 13:24.48 | robert_ | Can anybody recommend some good precompiled kernel-packages for x86? (With QOS and iptables!) |
| 13:24.49 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: it's your 13 years old, american or retarded. |
| 13:24.56 | SlayerXP | if you're, I mean |
| 13:25.08 | jm_ | robert_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 13:25.36 | GomoX | kernel-image sux0rz |
| 13:26.20 | irvken | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=674046#post674046- where he says "add the line apt-get update2 does he mean run it from the command line, or do i have to edit some file somewhere? |
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| 13:26.49 | SlayerXP | jm_: USB weirdness. plugging the same keyboard in via the ps/2 socket works fine |
| 13:27.03 | GomoX | you have to add the line to the /etc/apt/sources.list file and then run "apt-get update" in the shell |
| 13:27.13 | jm_ | SlayerXP: did you read about lots of people having keyboard/mouse problems with 2.6 in latest KT ? |
| 13:27.27 | iscsi | never mind problem solved, chrooted dir for sarge had not execute flag set |
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| 13:28.10 | GomoX | theres this guy at home with a soldering iron that makes me feel glad i have an UPS |
| 13:28.27 | DerBadejunge | where do i have to send a bug msg and what should be included ??? |
| 13:28.29 | GomoX | :/ |
| 13:28.40 | GomoX | DerBadejunge: bugs.debian.org |
| 13:28.47 | SlayerXP | jm_: I didn't, I shall go have a look |
| 13:29.00 | DerBadejunge | GomoX: thank you :D |
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| 13:30.19 | DerBadejunge | GomoX: because my kdm won`t install in sid funny huh ? |
| 13:30.20 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: hehe, i go shopping now! i'm not american, and i'm not 13 either (25) |
| 13:30.30 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: i don't be retarded too! |
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| 13:31.28 | DelEat | doh! retaining your original receipt is usually a good idea, if you want to fill in an RMA... bye bye harddisk! |
| 13:31.31 | DelEat | :( |
| 13:31.31 | Flane | hi, anyone experience with ndiswrapper and centrino intel wlan ? |
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| 13:32.55 | MyNick | malloc_: hi |
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| 13:35.18 | SlayerXP | jm_: I see no mention of kb/mouse breakage on the very latest KT. an older issue perhaps? |
| 13:35.49 | jm_ | SlayerXP: hmm let me see |
| 13:36.25 | jordi | is twm a good window manager or should i install another one, i want a light one, but good |
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| 13:36.48 | mage | lol twm .. |
| 13:36.54 | DelEat | jordi: want light? try kahakai |
| 13:36.57 | TonyStark | jordi: i like wmaker, it is pretty and it is light |
| 13:37.00 | mage | jordi: try fluxbox or enlightenment |
| 13:37.09 | DelEat | jordi: wmaker is also pretty light |
| 13:37.15 | SlayerXP | kde is light |
| 13:37.17 | Sebulba02 | enlightenment != light |
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| 13:37.24 | mage | enlightenment is light |
| 13:37.26 | DelEat | SlayerXP: please |
| 13:37.34 | SlayerXP | well, it is on my 2ghz athlon with 1gb of memory |
| 13:37.40 | DelEat | kde and enlightenment aren't light |
| 13:37.45 | Sebulba02 | anything is light on that |
| 13:37.51 | TonyStark | jordi: my machine is a k6@266, i do use wmkaer or gnome2.4+metacity, both are light and pretty (wmaker maybe lighter) |
| 13:38.09 | DelEat | SlayerXP: I've got a 1.5 with 256mb, I run kahakai (super light) |
| 13:38.17 | jm_ | SlayerXP: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/must-fix/must-fix-7.txt |
| 13:38.31 | TonyStark | some uses ipmasq with a 2.4.x kernel for a dsl connection? i'm having trouble... |
| 13:38.49 | jordi | k, so i can test diferent diferent window managers and if i don't like one, just use 'apt-get remove xxxx' ? |
| 13:38.57 | Sebulba02 | yep |
| 13:38.59 | DelEat | jordi: yup |
| 13:39.01 | danixer | jordi: try waimea |
| 13:39.13 | DelEat | danixer: waimea is dead |
| 13:39.17 | DelEat | danixer: kahakai |
| 13:39.22 | SlayerXP | jm_: nice, I wonder if it's worth reporting my setup/problem |
| 13:39.23 | danixer | :) |
| 13:39.24 | jordi | basically the difference i will note is in their look and feel ? |
| 13:39.27 | DelEat | danixer: waimea -> kahakai |
| 13:39.33 | danixer | thnks |
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| 13:39.35 | chemicallyrelian | i use ip masq, but not for DSL. |
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| 13:39.38 | TonyStark | jordi: yes, you can, but you don't have to remove them, with your ~/.xsession file you can control which wm you load |
| 13:39.39 | danixer | didnt noticed - i am kde user |
| 13:39.39 | danixer | :) |
| 13:39.42 | kai_ | exit |
| 13:39.58 | chemicallyrelian | its it more DSL related, or ip MAsq related. |
| 13:39.59 | DelEat | TonyStark: or ~/.xinitrc if started from console |
| 13:40.14 | danixer | but kahakai is not in debian, waimea is |
| 13:40.20 | DelEat | danixer: I'm using kahakai - :) |
| 13:40.33 | DelEat | danixer: yeah, well, the .debs are always a little behind |
| 13:40.41 | TonyStark | DelEat: from consolel doesn't work .xsession? docs tells better you'd use .xsession, is a more standard way... |
| 13:40.52 | DelEat | danixer: bob2 built some unofficial .debs |
| 13:41.19 | danixer | i woul like to try maybe |
| 13:41.19 | mage | open is great too |
| 13:41.34 | danixer | i am using it sometimes for second X |
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| 13:43.31 | DelEat | TonyStark: if you run 'startx' you can put whatever you want in .xsession, and it won't be loaded! |
| 13:43.37 | DelEat | TonyStark: startx reads .xinitrc |
| 13:43.38 | uws | Any true procmail heroes alive? I want one recipe to catch all my Mailman mailinglist subscriptions and place them in .lists/$MAILINGLISTNAME/ Does anyone have a clue on how to accomplish this? |
| 13:43.40 | jm_ | DelEat: it is here |
| 13:43.47 | DelEat | jm_: what is here? |
| 13:44.02 | jm_ | DelEat: everything in .xsession is executed when I use startx |
| 13:44.09 | jm_ | uws: tried man procmailex ? |
| 13:44.22 | uws | jm_: I can't find it in there |
| 13:44.23 | danixer | DelEat, as i love python, i will try kahakai |
| 13:44.23 | danixer | :) |
| 13:44.35 | DelEat | jm_: I've got wmaker in .xsession (from when I used gdm), my startx only reads .xinitrc |
| 13:44.35 | jm_ | uws: heh it has lots of examples to learn from |
| 13:44.37 | DelEat | danixer: you'll love it |
| 13:44.48 | jm_ | DelEat: the order might be important ;) |
| 13:44.49 | danixer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.51 | danixer | :( |
| 13:45.06 | DelEat | danixer: kahakai.sf.net |
| 13:45.06 | DerBadejunge | GLX: whta has to be done with my user "badejunge" to use GLX ??? |
| 13:45.28 | Shay | :) |
| 13:45.42 | xenohugs | Is lib-apache-modperl in testing broke for anyone else? |
| 13:45.43 | gourdin | hi, "stupid question" |
| 13:45.51 | gourdin | is it really dangerous to use debian unstable ? |
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| 13:46.04 | agney | gourdin: no. |
| 13:46.06 | gourdin | (for a home desktop) |
| 13:46.09 | mage | gourdin: yes, your can can explose. |
| 13:46.14 | gourdin | mage: =) |
| 13:46.15 | mage | s/can/system |
| 13:46.27 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: no, not really. but start using testing first. i did and ist pretty cool and even a bit stable. --> mor than win |
| 13:46.39 | gourdin | I am on testing ;= |
| 13:46.40 | gourdin | ;) |
| 13:47.01 | gourdin | and it is stable ;) |
| 13:47.02 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: huh :-=) |
| 13:47.13 | mage | I'm using unstable since 2 years and get only one serious problem (in 2 years) |
| 13:47.17 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: i am on unstable now and it is too :P |
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| 13:47.20 | danixer | DelEat ehm ;) apt-cacher didnt liked the site |
| 13:47.23 | xukun | Hi all |
| 13:47.25 | gourdin | =) |
| 13:47.29 | gourdin | ok |
| 13:47.38 | gourdin | I think I'll make a distupgrade ;) |
| 13:47.41 | gourdin | thanks guys |
| 13:47.50 | DerBadejunge | hf:P |
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| 13:48.09 | xukun | Is there 1 basuc cd of debian for download? |
| 13:48.11 | dopey_d | hi guys |
| 13:48.17 | xukun | Is there 1 basic cd of debian for download? |
| 13:48.20 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: but kdm doesn`t install in unstable this time! :P |
| 13:48.22 | dopey_d | anyone here good with wlan/wireless lan ? |
| 13:48.29 | DerBadejunge | xukun: woody |
| 13:48.36 | danixer | dopey_d, i am not, but dont ask to ask |
| 13:48.38 | danixer | just ask |
| 13:48.46 | dopey_d | I have an ASUS AP and a wlan pcmcia card (ASUS), it has been working perfectly for over a year now |
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| 13:48.57 | jordi | how can i install a theme on a window manager ? |
| 13:49.05 | dopey_d | all of a sudden, when turning on my laptop, I cannot get a link anymore |
| 13:49.14 | DerBadejunge | jordi: on which is the question :P |
| 13:49.36 | xukun | DerBadejunge, it does not mater, I don't want to download all the cd's |
| 13:49.43 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: hmmmmm #^@{[^@é" =) |
| 13:49.43 | jordi | i want to install a theme in icewm, what should i have to do ? |
| 13:49.44 | gourdin | 'k |
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| 13:49.48 | gourdin | i'll wait a bit |
| 13:49.54 | dopey_d | It also seems that the wlan card finds lots of bogus SSIDs while scanning |
| 13:49.56 | gourdin | does anybody use KimDaba ? |
| 13:49.57 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: because of kdm ??? |
| 13:49.57 | jm_ | jordi: read the docs, that's what |
| 13:50.04 | gourdin | (this soft rox) |
| 13:50.08 | dopey_d | would this mean: the wlan card is broken ? or the AP is broken ? |
| 13:50.11 | jordi | icewm docs ? |
| 13:50.26 | DerBadejunge | xukun: well the first disk is doing well with me. install and update the rest from inet --> testing unstable und thenn install a new kernel an voila |
| 13:50.36 | jm_ | yes icewm docs obviously |
| 13:50.46 | dopey_d | anyone wireless lan here ???? |
| 13:50.46 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: why are you waiting ? |
| 13:50.47 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: testing is stable... I think i'll keep this version for a while, just to try ;) |
| 13:50.55 | dopey_d | please help, I could really use a break here |
| 13:51.01 | gourdin | just got a problem install kdebase-dev... |
| 13:51.02 | dopey_d | at least some moral support |
| 13:51.13 | gourdin | kdebase-dev: Depends: ksysguard (= 4:3.1.3-1) but 4:3.1.4-1 is to be installed |
| 13:51.14 | xukun | DerBadejunge, thanks |
| 13:51.25 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: but you can keep kdm from testing ... |
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| 13:51.47 | gourdin | Why apt doesnt install ksysguarf 4:3.1.4-1 ? |
| 13:51.54 | gourdin | I don't understand this output |
| 13:51.57 | DerBadejunge | well, i had that too |
| 13:52.06 | gourdin | :) |
| 13:52.16 | gourdin | you force it ? |
| 13:52.17 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: i think i added some more mirrors :P |
| 13:52.23 | gourdin | hmhmmmm |
| 13:52.25 | irvken | I assume some unofficial apt pacakage repositories are better than others (more rigourous?), might that be the case? |
| 13:52.40 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: do you have some nice mirrors ? ;=) |
| 13:52.53 | DerBadejunge | yeah all german :P |
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| 13:53.15 | Bangers | anyone familiar with .htaccess? I've created my .htpasswd file, and .htaccess, but I'm being rejected |
| 13:53.16 | Bangers | unsure why |
| 13:53.33 | irvken | permissions |
| 13:53.39 | irvken | ? |
| 13:53.51 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: can you give me your list (in querry) ? |
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| 13:54.05 | gourdin | (kde rox) |
| 13:54.05 | DerBadejunge | of course |
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| 13:54.27 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: lol? i thought that too a sec ago :P |
| 13:54.34 | gourdin | :) |
| 13:54.42 | gourdin | I thought this all the time |
| 13:54.56 | gourdin | and i think this |
| 13:55.02 | gourdin | kde realllllly rox |
| 13:55.04 | chemicallyrelian | kde bit me in redhat 7.0 konq woudl crash every 10th click. since then i said "no more kde" |
| 13:55.13 | gourdin | arf |
| 13:55.22 | HuBBa | does anybody here know the adress for the javapackage wich has the gcc3 version of the plugin that works for mozilla |
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| 13:55.32 | gourdin | konqueror is a very nice file manager, and the last version is really stable |
| 13:55.40 | gourdin | and a good web browser |
| 13:55.47 | gourdin | didn't use mozilla anymore |
| 13:55.52 | Bangers | irvken, access_log is saying: |
| 13:55.52 | Bangers | [Wed Dec 31 00:07:25 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] user bangers not found: |
| 13:56.06 | Bangers | however, inside the .htaccess, I've given the full dir |
| 13:56.12 | HuBBa | i remembered it at www.studentenweb.org but i cant find it there |
| 13:56.53 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: its nice to make this image galeries automatic |
| 13:57.16 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: ? |
| 13:57.18 | jm_ | HuBBa: /msg dpkg sid mozilla java deb |
| 13:57.23 | gourdin | which image galerie ? |
| 13:58.04 | xukun | is there samething wrong with the link for download debian mini cd's all I get is an error |
| 13:58.04 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: select some images and the go to extras |
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| 13:58.07 | HuBBa | jm_ it says: wish i knew |
| 13:58.14 | jm_ | yay it lost the factoid :( |
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| 13:58.36 | jm_ | HuBBa: try apt instead of dpkg |
| 13:58.41 | oskie | yelloh |
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| 13:58.58 | xukun | DerBadejunge is there samething wrong with the link for download debian mini cd's all I get is an error |
| 13:59.21 | DerBadejunge | xukun: mom |
| 13:59.21 | mcbridematt | Is there any -devel package for xpdf? I happen to require GHash.h from it, and any -devel package for xpdf seems to be missing |
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| 13:59.50 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: 'extra' ? ;) |
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| 14:00.22 | gourdin | DerBadejunge: I'm on kde 3.1.4 |
| 14:00.27 | gourdin | not the 3.2 beta |
| 14:00.40 | xukun | DerBadejunge, I can not download the debian cd |
| 14:00.44 | DerBadejunge | gourdin: dunno what its called in french. |
| 14:00.47 | DerBadejunge | xukun: http://www.linuxiso.org/viewmirrors.php/453 |
| 14:01.24 | DerBadejunge | xukun: there are some |
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| 14:03.16 | xukun | DerBadejunge, is this ok. sorry I,m new: debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
| 14:03.50 | simon | is there a tool in debian for installing cpan modules? |
| 14:03.55 | jm_ | simon: yes |
| 14:04.07 | bda | perl -MCPAN -e shell |
| 14:04.08 | bda | :) |
| 14:04.14 | jm_ | no that's not it |
| 14:04.20 | Deanocide | how do you exit promiscuous mode? |
| 14:04.22 | bda | jm_: That was a joke. |
| 14:04.49 | DerBadejunge | xukun: yeah i think so :P i installed this on xmas on my laptop :P |
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| 14:05.12 | simon | jm_: great, what is it? |
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| 14:05.25 | jm_ | simon: apt-cache search perl cpan debian |
| 14:05.54 | xukun | DerBadejunge, thaansk I will download that and install it |
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| 14:06.23 | DerBadejunge | xukun: You`ll do fine :-) |
| 14:06.54 | gordonjcp | there is 1/4" of ice on my car... |
| 14:07.09 | gordonjcp | or 6mm for the metric types |
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| 14:07.16 | chemicallyrelian | is there a way to make squid cache/accept FTP requiests? |
| 14:07.18 | jm_ | gordonjcp: not on the reliant ? :) |
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| 14:07.48 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: where do you live ? id like to build a snowman woo |
| 14:07.50 | DerBadejunge | too |
| 14:08.01 | jm_ | chemicl;apparently oops can do that |
| 14:08.09 | SlayerXP | chemicallyrelian: squid is not an ftp proxy. |
| 14:08.12 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: Scotland. No snow, just very cold |
| 14:08.16 | vanguard | greetings |
| 14:08.19 | gordonjcp | it's getting warmer, -5C |
| 14:08.24 | chemicallyrelian | squid says it can cache ftp though. |
| 14:08.31 | chemicallyrelian | i thought they werre lying. |
| 14:08.39 | gordonjcp | jm_: no, the GSA, the Reliant is tucked up nice and warm in its shed... |
| 14:08.40 | SlayerXP | chemicallyrelian: by converting the indexes to ftp-alike directory structures, yes. |
| 14:08.46 | chemicallyrelian | is there a FTP proxy? |
| 14:08.46 | SlayerXP | http-alike I mean |
| 14:09.01 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: well my pond`S just having 1mm of ice :-( i can`t even skate on it |
| 14:09.21 | chemicallyrelian | not when mandrake wants FTP servers. just like FreeBSD http, doesn't appear to have been invented yet. |
| 14:09.25 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: there's ice on the canal outside my office |
| 14:09.28 | vanguard | Does anybody have a driver for Readylink RTL8180 ? |
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| 14:09.44 | vanguard | I cannot get mine compiled. |
| 14:09.46 | jm_ | I told you, try oops for FTP and HTTP |
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| 14:09.55 | jordi | logout |
| 14:10.01 | jordi | hi hi, sorry |
| 14:10.26 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: nice |
| 14:10.28 | chemicallyrelian | oops eh? i'll check it out. thanks. |
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| 14:10.46 | gordonjcp | jm_: GSA sans ice -> http://www.gjcp.net/dc0002h.jpg |
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| 14:11.09 | jorge_ | hi |
| 14:11.13 | jm_ | gordonjcp: looks similar to what my neihgbour has, he's working on it all the time ;) |
| 14:11.26 | DerBadejunge | sweet |
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| 14:12.10 | DerBadejunge | wheres that sterring wheel ? on right ? :)) |
| 14:12.11 | gordonjcp | jm_: cool, might be a CX if you're in the US or Australia |
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| 14:12.28 | Deanocide | how do you tell whether you're in promiscuous mode and how do you get out of it if you are in it promiscuous mode? |
| 14:12.32 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: yes, we drive on the left in the UK |
| 14:12.33 | jm_ | gordonjcp: no, Europe - he has had several variants, including CX caravan |
| 14:12.44 | gordonjcp | jm_: have you seen the 6-wheel CX? |
| 14:12.51 | vanguard | Deanocide: Try ifconfig |
| 14:12.52 | gordonjcp | they were mad |
| 14:12.59 | vanguard | It might tell you. |
| 14:13.21 | jm_ | gordonjcp: nope |
| 14:13.22 | gordonjcp | jm_: When I went to MOT that, the guy said "I heard there's only two in Scotland" |
| 14:13.27 | vanguard | Deanocide: Are you running some IDS ? |
| 14:13.31 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: i knew that but still wantet a friend to get me somewhere and get in on the right |
| 14:13.43 | jorge_ | anybody can help me? |
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| 14:13.53 | gordonjcp | I said no, there's three GSAs now, two are mine and one is in Edinburgh |
| 14:14.01 | jm_ | jorge_: local gipsy woman might - if she has mind reading skills, that is |
| 14:14.11 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: heh, when I was in Germany I kept trying to get into the "wrong" side of the car |
| 14:14.14 | Deanocide | vanguard: I tried that and it didn't say PROMISC, but in the console it sometimes says "eth0 promiscuous mode enabled" |
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| 14:14.54 | jm_ | deanc;it means smething puts your NIC into such mode |
| 14:14.58 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: too funny if my worldoutlook breaks |
| 14:15.00 | Xyc0 | Does debian support NTFS read-only? |
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| 14:15.25 | vanguard | Deanocide: Hmm, that seems to me, that either somone switches you ti promicious, or you have some programs running, like snort or portsentry. |
| 14:15.25 | SlayerXP | Xyc0: yes |
| 14:15.57 | jadawin | Xyc0: that's depends of you kernel. |
| 14:15.57 | Xyc0 | thnx |
| 14:15.57 | jorge_ | When I try to download a program through apt-get install I receive the next: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 14:15.57 | Xyc0 | Im downloading 2.4.23 |
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| 14:16.06 | vanguard | jorge_: Do apt-get --fiux-missing. |
| 14:16.14 | jorge_ | thanx |
| 14:16.17 | vanguard | jorge_: If it fails again, chae |
| 14:16.17 | Deanocide | vanguard: is there a way to tell for sure if you're in promiscuous mode? |
| 14:16.35 | jm_ | Deanocide: not really |
| 14:16.36 | vanguard | jorge_: If it fails again, check youre sources-list. |
| 14:16.47 | jorge_ | ok |
| 14:16.55 | vanguard | Deanocide: I only know ifconfig. |
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| 14:17.17 | jm_ | ifconfig doesn't report it properly 9due to kernel bugs/features) |
| 14:17.24 | chemicallyrelian | denocide, 100 or 1000Mbit ethernet? |
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| 14:17.37 | vanguard | Does anybody have a driver for Readylink RTL8180 ? |
| 14:17.43 | vanguard | I cannot get mine compiled. |
| 14:17.57 | vanguard | It crashes. |
| 14:18.03 | Deanocide | chemicallyrelian: 100 |
| 14:18.14 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: view from my office -> http://www.gjcp.net/dc0004h.jpg |
| 14:18.19 | vanguard | And I could not get information on the internet. |
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| 14:18.55 | vanguard | And Readylink only has the sources., |
| 14:18.55 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: ohhhhh, beatiful. |
| 14:19.12 | vanguard | I suppose, it is the gcc3.3 compiler.... |
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| 14:19.53 | iceman | Im trying to run a perl script, and it errors on the first line wich is: eval 'exec perl -w -S "$0" "$@"' if 0; I tried to install "perl" wich was already the latest version. Could it be that Im missing some package? |
| 14:20.11 | chemicallyrelian | set up a multicasting server, don't care what. if you don't try netcat, output to 239.2.12.42, or maybe download vlc. plug in another computer running a 10mbit card, or force a 100mbit to do 10mbit. if the promiscuous machine picks up only the multicast traffic (you need at least 10Mbits worth) and extra traffic is lost, then you can say that it is in promisc mode, due to it only picking up 10mbit traffic. |
| 14:20.13 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: http://mitglied.lycos.de/baeidschang/BadischesBackbone/Bild1.jpg and thats my router :P *lol@it* |
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| 14:20.34 | jm_ | Icemaann: try changing it to #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 14:20.38 | chemicallyrelian | hang on. that sounds wrong. |
| 14:20.39 | jm_ | gah |
| 14:20.44 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: bastard, that crate of Staropramen is making me thirsty |
| 14:20.52 | tam | can anyone recommend a good mp3 player apart from, juk, beep and xmms? |
| 14:21.02 | jm_ | tam: mp3blaster, gqmpeg |
| 14:21.06 | tam | gordonjcp: couldn't find beep, juk always crashes and xmms is crap |
| 14:21.10 | bda | rhythmbox. |
| 14:21.14 | tam | jm_: i'll give them a shot thanks |
| 14:21.17 | gordonjcp | tam: beep media player |
| 14:21.18 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp: :-P |
| 14:21.29 | chemicallyrelian | let me try that again. |
| 14:21.34 | tam | gordonjcp: found :) |
| 14:21.41 | tam | i was typing beep mp3 player |
| 14:21.56 | DerBadejunge | tam: what is that ? an mp3 for pc speaker ? |
| 14:21.57 | DerBadejunge | :P |
| 14:22.02 | bux | Does anyone here know if debian 3.0's glibc is compiled with gcc3? |
| 14:22.10 | jm_ | bux: it's not |
| 14:22.32 | bux | ok, thanks |
| 14:22.45 | chemicallyrelian | if you mutlicast traffic, it can only multicast at the speed of hte fastest machine pugged into the switch. if the slowest machine pluggedinto the switch is your promisc network card, if you peg it at 10mbit then you can tell if it is listening to the traffic or not by the fact when you add it the mutlicasting slows down. |
| 14:22.49 | tam | DerBadejunge: lol |
| 14:23.03 | chemicallyrelian | no, thats wrong too. |
| 14:23.09 | gordonjcp | DerBadejunge: beep is basically a gtk2 version of XMMS |
| 14:23.42 | DerBadejunge | gordonjcp & tam: oops :-) but i already heard of mp3 for pcspeaker :P |
| 14:23.46 | DerBadejunge | thx |
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| 14:23.54 | chemicallyrelian | take your promisc machine, move it to another subnet but leave it on the same switch. if it picks up traffic from the other subnet, its in promisc mode. |
| 14:23.58 | mrwoody | does anyone know why i get messages like this: /usr/include/linux/spinlock.h:433: `TIF_NEED_RESCHED' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:24.00 | chemicallyrelian | there. |
| 14:24.22 | chemicallyrelian | ah crap. i get it right and he leaves. |
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| 14:25.41 | DerBadejunge | anyone knows what to do with my user to use glx ??? |
| 14:25.47 | blobbo | how do i resume download with curl? |
| 14:25.58 | chemicallyrelian | with yoru user? |
| 14:26.06 | blobbo | (sorry, newb question i know) |
| 14:26.06 | chemicallyrelian | curl is bad. use wget |
| 14:26.09 | chris` | blobbo: man curl I assume |
| 14:26.09 | LoRez | blobbo: man curl |
| 14:26.13 | chemicallyrelian | wget -c url. |
| 14:26.18 | oskie | his minion |
| 14:26.21 | blobbo | i can't say i really understood the man pages |
| 14:26.30 | chemicallyrelian | apt-get install wget |
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| 14:26.56 | chemicallyrelian | you don't need to. don't use curl. use wget |
| 14:27.24 | sheyzZzz | Upon install, what module would the D-Link (ISA) DE-220P Nic use? |
| 14:27.28 | blobbo | heh, well my 300MB dev tools download is stuck at 270MB going at 2 bytes a second... |
| 14:27.41 | sheyzZzz | floppy/FTP install |
| 14:28.26 | blobbo | i'd rather dl the big file. |
| 14:28.31 | jm_ | sheyzZzz: try ne |
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| 14:29.04 | sheyzZzz | (jm_) ok, brb |
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| 14:29.43 | irvken | woody installs evolution 1.05-1 by default, is there a way of getting a later (latest) version |
| 14:29.52 | jm_ | irvken: no |
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| 14:30.06 | fgh | hi i got one problem with my system |
| 14:30.14 | sinsem | hi, i'm trying to install kde on sarge, but the installation keeps giving me broken package dependencies, is there a way to get around this |
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| 14:30.54 | irvken | that seems pretty definite jm_ :) |
| 14:31.15 | fgh | at boottime my systems gives me: KDSKBENT: Invalid argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 || directly before comes: /dev/ttyS0 at 0x02f8 |
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| 14:31.39 | Web52|Doochy | Hi |
| 14:31.39 | Web52|Doochy | ! |
| 14:31.43 | fgh | with 2.6.0 kernel and sid |
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| 14:32.42 | Frogmorton | hi all, I have dhclient setting lease time to 1800 seconds, how do I extend that ? |
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| 14:33.36 | frealek | ppl hi |
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| 14:34.15 | asg | Frogmorton: in the server's configuration file |
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| 14:35.41 | streuner | hmm |
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| 14:36.00 | Frogmorton | asg: mmhmmm, which config file ? |
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| 14:36.56 | asg | Frogmorton: /etc/dhcpd.conf |
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| 14:37.02 | vividan | hey guys... I hate to ask but what is the standard debian/unstable apt source? I just installed from cd and it didn't give that source or install apt-setup |
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| 14:37.22 | bda | Frogmorton: The /etc/dhcpd.conf file on the server handing out DHCP information. |
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| 14:37.46 | Frogmorton | i set it using the example dhcpd.conf but it didnt change on network restart |
| 14:38.12 | asg | Frogmorton: did you restart the dhcp server first? |
| 14:38.28 | streuner | vividan: unstable is the developer branch, /msg dpkg unstable |
| 14:38.31 | Frogmorton | dhcp server is external |
| 14:38.36 | vividan | streuner: thanks |
| 14:39.02 | asg | streuner: dpkg appears to have lost all his factoids atm |
| 14:39.03 | streuner | !sid |
| 14:39.08 | bda | Frogmorton: If you aren't controlling DHCP yourself, you don't get to play with it. Nominally. I suppose if you want to be evil, you could manage to set it yourself. |
| 14:39.10 | bob2 | shorewall seems to be dropping packets from hosts in the loc network, instead of routing them. |
| 14:39.14 | bob2 | nothing in the logs. |
| 14:39.16 | bob2 | any suggestions? |
| 14:39.21 | streuner | asg: :-), i just found out by myself ;-) |
| 14:39.23 | marinos | damn anybody knows how to filter out the accounts of users with uids starting from 1000 ?? i try with grep "[[:digit:]{4}]" /etc/passwd |
| 14:39.28 | mrwoody | does anyone know why i get messages like this: /usr/include/linux/spinlock.h:433: `TIF_NEED_RESCHED' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:39.39 | streuner | ~sid |
| 14:39.40 | | it has been said that sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, or it can break horribly. |
| 14:39.42 | streuner | @sid |
| 14:39.42 | Frogmorton | well i cant change default lease time on the dhcp server, it fails to change it |
| 14:39.51 | bob2 | mrwoody: because whatever you're building is HORRIBLY broken and should never have included kernel headers. |
| 14:39.54 | asg | vividan: also, 'telnet linuks.mine.nu' will give you some samples |
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| 14:40.01 | vividan | asg: ok cool |
| 14:40.03 | bob2 | Frogmorton: it's in the dhcpd config file, I've seen it myself. |
| 14:40.07 | bob2 | asg: howdy. |
| 14:40.18 | asg | bob2: hiya, how are things today? |
| 14:40.19 | bob2 | marinos: 4,4? |
| 14:40.27 | mrwoody | bob2: i am just trying to compile hello.c from http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch02.html |
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| 14:40.41 | Frogmorton | Yeah sorry, dhcp is external, with a web interface only |
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| 14:40.58 | streuner | greycat: LTNS |
| 14:40.59 | vividan | thanks all, that apeared to be what I needed |
| 14:40.59 | bob2 | asg: finally back online in Debian, my router's HD carked it last week, then so did the replacement. otherwise, good. yourself? any big new year's plans? |
| 14:41.01 | marinos | grep "[[:digit:]{4,4}]" /etc/passwd ?? |
| 14:41.06 | marinos | bob2: |
| 14:41.13 | mrwoody | bob2: i think linux-kernel-headers is broken |
| 14:41.14 | bob2 | marinos: jah. |
| 14:41.18 | bob2 | marinos: no. |
| 14:41.21 | bob2 | mrwoody: no |
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| 14:41.30 | mrwoody | bob2: then? |
| 14:41.33 | asg | bob2: glad to see you back on your feet :) I'm good; spoopin is going to have a little party so I'll probably end up there new years. |
| 14:41.35 | greycat | mrwoody: bugs.debian.org/ |
| 14:41.40 | bob2 | mrwoody: kernel code should NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER include anyting from /usr/include/. |
| 14:41.55 | mrwoody | bob2: then? |
| 14:42.04 | mrwoody | bob2: even if it is a module |
| 14:42.04 | greycat | mrwoody: /msg dpkg linux-kernel-headers |
| 14:42.07 | bob2 | mrwoody: your code should only include stuff from the actual KERNEL headers, /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:42.11 | streuner | greycat: vacation? |
| 14:42.12 | asg | greycat: dpkg has lost his factoids |
| 14:42.15 | bob2 | mrwoody: a module is kernel code. |
| 14:42.19 | greycat | streuner: not precisely |
| 14:42.25 | greycat | asg: !! |
| 14:42.29 | streuner | greycat: ravenbird works |
| 14:42.29 | bob2 | dpkg has lost lots of factoids. |
| 14:42.30 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, bob2 |
| 14:42.36 | asg | !test |
| 14:42.39 | mrwoody | greycat: that doesn't work |
| 14:42.40 | bob2 | and modconf annoys me in some obscure way. |
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| 14:42.51 | asg | dpkg, sid faq |
| 14:42.51 | dpkg | asg: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:42.56 | bob2 | mrwoody: include the actual headers from your actual kernel. install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:42.57 | greycat | @sid faq |
| 14:43.01 | greycat | %sid faq |
| 14:43.04 | greycat | ~sid faq |
| 14:43.05 | | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:43.06 | mrwoody | bob2: ok... I am trying that |
| 14:43.06 | blobbo | ok, i have no idea how to restart a download in curl, and i checked the man pages. |
| 14:43.06 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:43.15 | blobbo | the file location is: ftp://10187797:lmvkjtpd@imercury1.apple.com/Mac_OS_X/Dec_2002_Dev_Tools/Dec2002DevToolsCD.dmg.bin |
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| 14:43.36 | asg | hehe |
| 14:43.36 | vividan | lol |
| 14:43.39 | blobbo | and the already downloaded portion is named: Dec2002DevToolsCD.dmg.bin |
| 14:43.40 | bob2 | mrwoody: the headers in /usr/include/ are from glibc and are only used by user programs. the headers in /usr/src/kernel-headers-* are from the the kernel and are only ever included by actual kernel code. |
| 14:43.46 | lnx2 | greycat: having @%~ing problems today? |
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| 14:43.58 | nitriyum | what is the compaq proliant netelligent network driver for linux ? |
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| 14:44.05 | nitriyum | what is the module name? |
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| 14:44.09 | nitriyum | for bf24 |
| 14:44.10 | asg | lnx2: the bots have suffered amnesia :) |
| 14:44.11 | greycat | lnx2: I go away for two days, come back, and all the bots are playing confuse-the-cat |
| 14:44.15 | bob2 | mrwoody: this is very, very important to know if you're going to write kernel code :) |
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| 14:44.30 | bob2 | Rabbit In Your Headlights (Massive Attack Reverse Light Instrument Mix) |
| 14:44.31 | lnx2 | greycat: hee-hee. |
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| 14:44.35 | bob2 | weeeeird. |
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| 14:45.17 | ircdevil | trigger for apt is ~ and dpkg ! and when apt is not in, then the trigger for dpkg is ~ - not? |
| 14:45.20 | streuner | greycat: lol |
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| 14:45.37 | greycat | ircdevil: and ravenbird is...? and modconf is ...? |
| 14:45.48 | bob2 | ircdevil: correct. |
| 14:45.54 | bob2 | greycat: @ and % |
| 14:45.56 | streuner | greycat: no, it's rather that the bots worked fine till you came back ;-) |
| 14:46.06 | bob2 | modconf keeps changing because people bitch at richih. |
| 14:46.06 | modconf | bob2: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:46.12 | bob2 | modconf: STFU. |
| 14:46.12 | modconf | from memory, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 14:46.23 | bob2 | that link is out of date. |
| 14:46.26 | asg | streuner: actually, you were in here before greycat today (hmmmmm....) |
| 14:46.38 | ircdevil | ~triggers |
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| 14:46.45 | lnx2 | bob2: lol |
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| 14:46.50 | marinos | doesnt work |
| 14:46.52 | Deep6 | can anyone tell me what happened to gcolorsel and what package it's in now? |
| 14:46.54 | ircdevil | how about setting a factoid on triggers? |
| 14:46.56 | vividan | haha, the bots are almost turing complete: they forget things :) |
| 14:46.57 | beta3 | asg: I think I have my sip phone network working! |
| 14:46.59 | bob2 | greycat: it's back and better than ever! |
| 14:47.04 | bob2 | Deep6: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:47.05 | asg | beta3: neat! |
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| 14:47.23 | Deep6 | dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gcolorsel' returned no results. |
| 14:47.23 | dpkg | You are moron #1, Deep6 |
| 14:47.28 | ircdevil | how many bots are in here anyway? |
| 14:47.29 | greycat | bob2: I'm old enough to know that "better" doesn't always mean what I hoped it would mean. |
| 14:47.31 | beta3 | asg: I need somebody todo an incoming call on me |
| 14:47.33 | bob2 | then it's not in Debian. |
| 14:47.39 | bob2 | ircdevil: like 3. |
| 14:47.45 | Deep6 | bob2, it used to be.... |
| 14:47.49 | Deep6 | :( |
| 14:47.49 | bob2 | wait, 4. |
| 14:47.49 | mrwoody | bob2: i still get the same error... |
| 14:47.50 | streuner | ircdevil: dpkg, modconf, ravenbird |
| 14:47.58 | ircdevil | bob2 apt, dpkg, modconf ravenbird ... |
| 14:48.01 | Deep6 | used to be part of gnome-utils |
| 14:48.01 | bob2 | apt, modconf, dpkg and ravenbird |
| 14:48.03 | | bob2: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:48.16 | bob2 | mrwoody: are you including the correct headers? are you SURE? |
| 14:48.21 | bob2 | Deep6: in gnome1.4 days? |
| 14:48.24 | asg | bob2: I'd rather have one that consistently works |
| 14:48.26 | ircdevil | _echo_ |
| 14:48.26 | Deep6 | perhaps |
| 14:48.27 | mrwoody | bob2: because module.h from /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.23-1/include/linux/module.h is asking for spinlock in /usr/include/linux/ |
| 14:48.43 | nitriyum | compaq proliant netelligent moduleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee name ? if you plasre |
| 14:48.44 | bob2 | asg: yeah, amen. |
| 14:48.58 | bob2 | nitriyum: if someone knew, they would have told you. now you have to go look it up yourself. |
| 14:49.01 | ircdevil | all we need now is a pastebot |
| 14:49.01 | tarzeau | ahh ahh i die |
| 14:49.06 | mrwoody | bob2: yes, #include </usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.23-1/include/linux/module.h> |
| 14:49.10 | beta3 | asg: bob2: you can dial me at beta3@mirrorlynx.com |
| 14:49.14 | bob2 | tarzeau: you need more vibrator batteris? |
| 14:49.15 | greycat | ircdevil: all we need now is one stable bot. |
| 14:49.16 | nitriyum | bob2: thank you bob..., amen |
| 14:49.24 | tarzeau | bob2: no read this mail! |
| 14:49.25 | ircdevil | greycat ok ok |
| 14:49.35 | bob2 | nitriyum: google "compaq whatever blah linux module" |
| 14:49.45 | bob2 | tarzeau: which one? |
| 14:49.48 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian/ the debianmom.txt |
| 14:49.52 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
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| 14:50.02 | greycat | hi tarzeau |
| 14:50.03 | bob2 | beta3: with my 31337 bandwidth, we can talk all day! |
| 14:50.03 | xel | Hi tarzeau |
| 14:50.06 | ircdevil | so which bot should one use to set factoids? are they merged or just deleted? |
| 14:50.14 | beta3 | bob2: you can run gsm over phone line |
| 14:50.17 | bob2 | that's a good question. |
| 14:50.19 | streuner | greycat: dondelelcaro was a long time yesterday here... |
| 14:50.29 | beta3 | bob2: its low bandwidth, like 15kbps |
| 14:50.33 | bob2 | is everyone still synding from apt? |
| 14:50.44 | ircdevil | ~stat |
| 14:50.45 | | http://www.tric.nl/~cg/asterisk.html |
| 14:50.50 | ircdevil | ~status |
| 14:50.51 | | Since Tue Dec 30 06:20:09 2003, there have been 11 modifications, 80 questions, 25 dunnos, 0 morons and 113 commands. I have been awake for 8h 30m 41s this session, and currently reference 106148 factoids. I'm using about 16268 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 532.28/109.03 child 247.94/23.06 |
| 14:50.51 | bob2 | simonrvn: dondelelcaro is dpkg/ravenbird still syncing from apt? |
| 14:50.57 | ircdevil | !status |
| 14:50.57 | dpkg | Since Tue Dec 30 09:34:12 2003, there have been 2 modifications, 37 questions, 58 dunnos, 1 moron and 39 commands. I have been awake for 5h 16m 45s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 16324 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 31.62/1.9 child 60.31/5.97 |
| 14:51.02 | metalifloyd | what's the ETA for a 2.6 kernel package? |
| 14:51.03 | bob2 | mrwoody: don't do that. |
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| 14:51.16 | ircdevil | 0 factoids? |
| 14:51.20 | beta3 | metalifloyd: wir |
| 14:51.22 | greycat | metalifloyd: how quickly can your computer compile one? |
| 14:51.27 | bob2 | mrwoody: #include <linux/module.h>, then have -I/usr/src/kernel-header-blah/include/ on your gcc command line. |
| 14:51.33 | tarzeau | she can be proud of her son, can't she? |
| 14:51.36 | vividan | metalifloyd: all the package you really need is at kernel.org :) (I dunno) |
| 14:51.38 | bob2 | metalifloyd: people.debian.org/~herbert/ |
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| 14:52.08 | greycat | bob2: oh... people.d.o works for some people now? |
| 14:52.11 | beta3 | bob2: actually its on master.debian.org not people |
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| 14:52.27 | metalifloyd | I know you can get it at kernel.org but I was wondering when the debian specific source package will be available |
| 14:52.45 | greycat | beta3: it does appear to work with people.d.o |
| 14:52.45 | bob2 | greycat: s/some/people who checked and moved stuff back to their /public_html// |
| 14:52.51 | sheyzZzz | (jmk) it says initialization failed |
| 14:52.53 | vividan | metalifloyd: ya, I just had to say somethin just I just got the bz2 off kernel.org |
| 14:52.53 | bob2 | beta3: ah |
| 14:52.56 | bob2 | metalifloyd: master.debian.org then. |
| 14:53.10 | bob2 | metalifloyd: the hold up is not with the packages, but with getting them into the archive. |
| 14:53.13 | bob2 | beta3: danke. |
| 14:53.21 | beta3 | greycat: didn't know, I was reccomended master and it worked |
| 14:53.22 | asg | bob2: actually, it popped up fine for me |
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| 14:53.55 | bob2 | asg: on people.d.o? |
| 14:53.58 | asg | bob2: yep |
| 14:54.10 | metalifloyd | bob2: ahh so the packages are available, because I've waited long enough to finally have support for my pinnacle dv500 |
| 14:54.12 | iceman | is there any good program or script that lets you easily rename files in somewhat complex ways? |
| 14:54.13 | sheyzZzz | Anyone else know what module the D-Link (ISA) DE-220P nic card would use on install ? (floppy install, I need to use the ftp, dont have base disks) |
| 14:54.16 | asg | bob2: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ <----- tasty 2.6 debs |
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| 14:54.44 | jorge_ | quit |
| 14:54.45 | greycat | iceman: man rename |
| 14:54.52 | orchid | iceman: the rename command uses regex |
| 14:54.59 | tola | could someone help me to get my dvd drive to work? I had it working in Knoppix but now I have debian the same fstab line doesn't work. |
| 14:55.05 | Guardian_ | Hi pals! What do ya think is the best GUI for Debian? |
| 14:55.07 | bob2 | metalifloyd: yes. if you go buy a iBook now, then support for the wireless NIC should appear just about when I buy mine. |
| 14:55.12 | greycat | e.g. rename 's/_/ /g' *.mp3 |
| 14:55.19 | jorge_ | exit |
| 14:55.23 | Guardian_ | Gnome of KDE? |
| 14:55.26 | Guardian_ | or |
| 14:55.30 | greycat | ~start a DE war |
| 14:55.36 | greycat | ~start a desktop war |
| 14:55.37 | | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 14:55.41 | orchid | :) |
| 14:55.44 | bda | "screen" |
| 14:55.45 | Guardian_ | Yep |
| 14:55.46 | Guardian_ | lol |
| 14:55.53 | bob2 | kahakai! |
| 14:55.53 | Guardian_ | Console is the fastest |
| 14:55.55 | iceman | greycat and orchid: thank you |
| 14:56.13 | tola | I seem to remember I need to symlink /dev/dvd to something to get my dvd drive to work... |
| 14:56.22 | ircdevil | Guardian_ go test. |
| 14:56.24 | greycat | that's application dependent |
| 14:56.27 | streuner | bob2: *cough* looks to me like openbox *cough* |
| 14:56.33 | InKyBRB | any console mp3 players that can stream to shoutcast? |
| 14:56.35 | bda | Probably the drive device itself. |
| 14:56.54 | tarzeau | kjs3: hello |
| 14:56.55 | metalifloyd | bob2: the dv500 is a video capture card not a wireless card |
| 14:57.05 | mrwoody | bob2: no difference at all |
| 14:57.07 | ircdevil | Guardian_ anyway x is overestimated. after a while you will run 4 xterms in fvwm or blackbox |
| 14:57.20 | greycat | just 4? |
| 14:57.21 | mrwoody | bob2: gcc -c -I/usr/src/kernel-header-2.4.23-1/include/linux/ hello.c |
| 14:57.25 | Guardian_ | ircdevil: ?? |
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| 14:57.33 | ircdevil | greycat actally i have 7 |
| 14:57.33 | greycat | mrwoody: you need more flags than that |
| 14:57.37 | tarzeau | does someone have an i386 machine that he wants to reboot just right now, that could try some little program on it for me? |
| 14:57.48 | Guardian_ | ircdevil: What is that?? |
| 14:57.48 | mrwoody | greycat: that is what was given in the book |
| 14:57.57 | okiniko | Does anyone know why a2ps will only print in A4 after I've told it to print Letter in a2ps-site.cfg? |
| 14:58.00 | bda | Just install Plan9 and be done with it. |
| 14:58.06 | asg | tarzeau: is it going to convert me fully to Lesbian? |
| 14:58.10 | bob2 | streuner: bah! |
| 14:58.10 | ircdevil | Guardian_ xterm? xterm is my window to the eth dimension |
| 14:58.16 | bob2 | mrwoody: that's not what I said. |
| 14:58.18 | tarzeau | asg: no it'll just reboot your computer, maybe |
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| 14:58.26 | ircdevil | xterm |
| 14:58.28 | ircdevil | !xterm |
| 14:58.35 | bob2 | mrwoody: also, you need a proper makefile, building a kernel module requires a bunch of stuff to be set. |
| 14:58.36 | tarzeau | greycat: using the latest gnustep-back (using art rendering, it's much more beautiful and faster too)! |
| 14:58.36 | mrwoody | bob2> mrwoody: #include <linux/module.h>, then have -I/usr/src/kernel-header-blah/include/ on your gcc command line. |
| 14:58.42 | tarzeau | greycat: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg |
| 14:58.47 | jim | how do i set environmnet variables for different users? |
| 14:58.54 | bob2 | mrwoody: yes, you mistyped, get rid of the final linux/ |
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| 14:58.55 | greycat | jim: /etc/environment |
| 14:59.11 | greycat | jim: for more details, read /etc/pam.d/* (particularly login) |
| 14:59.15 | tarzeau | asg: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/unfrgiven/reboot.c |
| 14:59.28 | mrwoody | bob2: same error |
| 14:59.31 | Guardian_ | Guys, how is good about the new Hurd kernel??? |
| 14:59.42 | tarzeau | asg: i need to know if it really reboot or not |
| 14:59.42 | greycat | better to ask #hurd |
| 15:00.00 | greycat | tarzeau: uptime |
| 15:00.09 | asg | tarzeau: okay, this is a i386 laptop okay? |
| 15:00.29 | tarzeau | asg: i don't know what you have, i have a powerpc ibook, otherwise i'd have tested it long ago |
| 15:00.30 | jim | greycat: thanks! if i want to set environment variables only for user jim?(different from others) |
| 15:00.31 | sandman | If I install dpkg into slackware, I can then install apt, and use apt-get etc.. all that stuff? |
| 15:00.34 | sandman | From within slackware? |
| 15:00.40 | bob2 | mrwoody: are you including all the stuff you need? |
| 15:00.43 | asg | tarzeau: okay, gimme a few secs |
| 15:00.47 | bob2 | sandman: no |
| 15:00.48 | tarzeau | asg: beware! |
| 15:00.49 | greycat | jim: then use ~jim/.bash_profile or whatever |
| 15:00.55 | bob2 | sandman: if you have to ask, "no". |
| 15:01.02 | tarzeau | asg: save whatever you have open! mount your filesystems read-only and sync! |
| 15:01.09 | sandman | bob2: Can one use portage from within Debian? |
| 15:01.11 | Guardian_ | Guys, what's better - Debian or Slackware? :-)) |
| 15:01.16 | bob2 | tarzeau: does PPC have a magic sysrq? |
| 15:01.18 | greycat | Guardian_: debian |
| 15:01.19 | sandman | bob2: If I put all its stuff under /usr/local |
| 15:01.22 | jim | greycat: and there use export foo=.... ??? |
| 15:01.27 | greycat | jim: yes |
| 15:01.31 | bob2 | sandman: again, if you have to ask, "no". |
| 15:01.32 | sandman | bob2: So dpkg is under /, portage is under /usr/local/ |
| 15:01.37 | tarzeau | bob2: i'd guess so, but really i havne't used that seriously ever, #debianppc or www.kernelnewbies.org |
| 15:01.38 | jim | greycat: thanks a lot |
| 15:01.46 | sandman | bob2: What do you mean, "if I have to ask" |
| 15:01.49 | Guardian_ | Debian rulezzz! |
| 15:01.50 | mrwoody | bob2: yes... it is just an hello.c... and i am following the book instructions |
| 15:01.51 | Guardian_ | :)) |
| 15:01.55 | sandman | bob2: You're saying if I didn't have to, the answer would be yes? |
| 15:01.57 | azreal | portage? |
| 15:02.04 | ircdevil | ~sedate Guardian_ |
| 15:02.06 | bda | Portage is Gentoo's package management system. |
| 15:02.06 | greycat | portage is what gentoo uses |
| 15:02.21 | streuner | sandman: you seems to have no idea about debian at all. |
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| 15:02.28 | Guardian_ | ircdevil: Oh, sorry! |
| 15:02.28 | greycat | I don't think it's their package manager per se |
| 15:02.33 | bob2 | sandman: I'm saying that it's all just portable C and C++. t will build. but that won't be of any use to you if you don't understand how to set them up. |
| 15:02.33 | bda | greycat: It is. |
| 15:02.35 | ryuujin | bob2: do you know how to remove a package via apt if some files have been deleted on a previous remove that didn't work out? |
| 15:02.38 | sandman | streuner: A fair amount. But I still use epkg with dpkg, for speed |
| 15:02.43 | bob2 | sandman: just use gentoo if you want portage. |
| 15:02.47 | bda | It's BSD ports on steroids. |
| 15:02.49 | sandman | streuner: And I still use epkg + portage, once again for speed |
| 15:02.49 | greycat | or use BSD |
| 15:02.53 | bob2 | ryuujin: dpkg --purge packagename |
| 15:03.00 | sandman | bob2: righto. |
| 15:03.10 | sandman | greycat: BSD is slow to use, IMHO. |
| 15:03.10 | bob2 | sandman: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:03.15 | zion71 | Greetings...I just installed kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 and I am getting can't open /etc/mtabs...any clues why when it was working with kernel 2.2.20 |
| 15:03.15 | sandman | greycat: and incompatible. |
| 15:03.20 | bda | "slow to use"? |
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| 15:03.25 | greycat | sandman: depends on the job. I *love* openbsd's PF. |
| 15:03.32 | Covener | sandman: that's one argument i've never heard befpre |
| 15:03.33 | bda | Hm. OS war warning system engaging. |
| 15:03.35 | azreal | bsd uses a.out binaries still, no? |
| 15:03.41 | azreal | err, fbsd |
| 15:03.42 | greycat | azreal: not any more |
| 15:03.45 | Covener | ggrey: config for ipf/ipnatd is so beautiful |
| 15:04.04 | sheyzZzz | D-Link (ISA) DE-220P nic uses the ne module, but it wont initialize. how do I determine the io="0xNNN" value? |
| 15:04.07 | bda | Unless you're doing dynamic firewalling. Then it can get sort of squishing. |
| 15:04.09 | bda | Though not horribly so. |
| 15:04.13 | ryuujin | bob2: doesn't work.. '/usr/sbin/remove-shell: File or Directory not found' |
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| 15:04.14 | bob2 | mrwoody: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:04.18 | bda | pw: sup, fraulein? |
| 15:04.20 | azreal | are a.out's faster than elf's? or was it the other way around, i dont remember |
| 15:04.23 | pw | ~lart bda |
| 15:04.27 | pw | \o/ |
| 15:04.31 | greycat | elf has a small (very small) speed penalty |
| 15:04.31 | tarzeau | azreal: come on |
| 15:04.32 | sandman | Covener: Well, their 4.x series is incompatible, 5.x series doesn't apply to the handbook |
| 15:04.39 | asg | tarzeau: yeah, it locked it up hard. |
| 15:04.39 | greycat | tarzeau: no, it's true |
| 15:04.47 | sandman | Covener: So it's a PITA to use. Even if I learned it all, I reckon it would still be a PITA to use. |
| 15:04.48 | bob2 | ryuujin: are you sure that file is from the package you're removing? |
| 15:04.53 | bda | pw: Don't make me bust out of my Solaris x86 CDs. |
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| 15:05.00 | tarzeau | greycat: is that only at one time or during the whole runtime of the program? |
| 15:05.08 | ryuujin | bob2: i'm trying to remove screen, so yes |
| 15:05.10 | azreal | tarzeau: what? its been a long time, too many beers in between :P |
| 15:05.10 | tarzeau | asg: umf i'm sorry, it didn't reboot? |
| 15:05.18 | greycat | tarzeau: I thought it was just for start-up, but I don't recall any more. It's been several years... |
| 15:05.20 | bob2 | !+find remove-shell |
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| 15:05.29 | tarzeau | azreal: i don't konw what you're talking about :) |
| 15:05.33 | asg | tarzeau: no, just locked up. I didn't wait for an appreciable amount of time though. would you like me to? |
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| 15:05.39 | Rza` | wtf |
| 15:05.44 | bda | "They, this is UNIX! I know this!" "No, you know Linux." etc etc. |
| 15:05.46 | tarzeau | asg: no thank you |
| 15:05.50 | Rza` | obconf doesn't handle menus? |
| 15:05.52 | tarzeau | asg: if you check the source code in the comment |
| 15:05.55 | bda | s/Th/H/ |
| 15:05.55 | Rza` | ridiculous |
| 15:05.56 | bda | fah. |
| 15:05.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'remove-shell' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/remove-shell) in base/passwd. |
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| 15:06.01 | greycat | bda: could be worse. I actually started out on AIX. |
| 15:06.10 | tarzeau | asg: that is waiting for a special event to occur, which i did not put into the c source, becuase i wasn't sure how |
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| 15:06.12 | bda | greycat: I have to maintain AIX boxes. "Maintain". |
| 15:06.15 | tarzeau | asg: maybe that's the problem |
| 15:06.24 | bda | Also: 13 year old SCO UnixWare accounting server. |
| 15:06.30 | greycat | bda: "make them hold still"? should be feasible. :) |
| 15:06.32 | sheyzZzz | D-Link (ISA) DE-220P nic uses the ne module, but it wont initialize. how do I determine the io="0xNNN" value? |
| 15:06.33 | asg | tarzeau: hmmmm |
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| 15:06.40 | ak70 | kill SCo!! |
| 15:06.43 | bda | "Maintain" == "Pray it doesn't die while attempting to replace". |
| 15:06.44 | zion71 | I just installed kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 and I am getting can't open /etc/mtabs...the files exists and it was working with kernel 2.2.20 |
| 15:06.46 | greycat | bda: oh, sco is just bad. |
| 15:06.47 | bob2 | ryuujin: so, it's not from screen. something has fucked up the "passwd" package. |
| 15:06.56 | Lancer | Does anyone know what is wrong with my config if my mouse pointer only moves along the vertical axis? |
| 15:06.56 | bob2 | zion71: ignore it. |
| 15:07.00 | ryuujin | bob2: how do i fix that? |
| 15:07.02 | bda | greycat: It's ran for 13 years with no problems except a dead tape drive. |
| 15:07.04 | greycat | SCO has zero redeeming features. |
| 15:07.05 | tarzeau | sco was the cause for some really +5 funny comments on slashdot |
| 15:07.07 | bda | Hard to argue with those numbers. |
| 15:07.11 | tarzeau | they gave me really a good laugh |
| 15:07.13 | zion71 | bob2: why ignore it... |
| 15:07.18 | bob2 | ryuujin: depends how it happened. |
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| 15:07.29 | bda | Of course, that was old mgmt. :) |
| 15:07.44 | ak70 | if dont ,you will laugth to death |
| 15:08.07 | ryuujin | bob2: reinstalling passwd was enough, thanks anyways for leading me the way :) |
| 15:08.12 | greycat | Lancer: should be XF86Config-4 |
| 15:08.17 | bob2 | ryuujin: cool. |
| 15:08.24 | Lancer | greycat: sorry that's what I meant |
| 15:08.24 | azreal | SCO owns the name Unix, whats the deal with them saying that alot of linux projects are in violation of there copyright, or whatever, just because it says something like "Unix like" in the description? |
| 15:08.29 | bob2 | this is very odd, shorewall is continuing to hate me. |
| 15:08.49 | greycat | I lost track of who owns Unix this year. |
| 15:08.55 | tarzeau | azreal: i can't call my pet "Unix"? |
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| 15:09.04 | greycat | SCO had it for a while and then sold it to Novell, I thought...? |
| 15:09.04 | Lancer | heh..... I OWN IT, really :P |
| 15:09.18 | bda | Novell sold the rights to SCO. |
| 15:09.19 | azreal | tarzeau: you could pay SCO a liscense fee probably to do so, yeah. |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | bda: ah |
| 15:09.33 | bda | Only they tried to say they didn't. |
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| 15:09.38 | bda | At which point they apparently got smacked down. |
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| 15:09.49 | bda | I'm sure there are 10e5 websites detailing the whole thing. :P |
| 15:09.50 | Zap-W | it's hard to pronounce order |
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| 15:10.28 | tarzeau | http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/examples/directed/unix.html |
| 15:10.29 | azreal | i wonder why AT&T/Bell Labs got rid of it, dosest kernighan or ritchie still work for them or a subsidiary? |
| 15:10.45 | tarzeau | there's such a map for linux too! somewhere |
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| 15:11.31 | bob2 | hm, maybe I should just use (ick) ipmasq. |
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| 15:11.44 | greycat | ~tell squire about root |
| 15:11.47 | Lancer | Does anyone know what is wrong with my config if my mouse pointer only moves along the vertical axis? I can paste my config info for the mouse stuff in #flood, btw I'm using a Debian Sarge installation. (I though I had XF86Config-4 configured properly....but I guess not. |
| 15:11.57 | greycat | hmm, that's a very crippled root. |
| 15:11.59 | tarzeau | Lancer: protocol! |
| 15:12.06 | tarzeau | Lancer: or you should give your mouse an enema |
| 15:12.07 | oskie | Does anyone know if there's any free geographical map software that? I need maps of the coast where I live |
| 15:12.09 | lebowski | tarzeau: it's in one of the other graphviz examples, there's a full up to date map |
| 15:12.27 | tarzeau | oskie: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ |
| 15:12.27 | bob2 | oskie: your government might give them away |
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| 15:12.29 | Lancer | tarzeau: heh I'm using the IMPS/2 protocal for my usbmouse |
| 15:12.32 | tarzeau | oskie: i have some links at the very bottom |
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| 15:12.39 | oskie | bob2: i want 'em digitally |
| 15:12.42 | tarzeau | Lancer: try read here www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 15:12.44 | vividan | oskie: mapquest.com doesn't give what ya need? |
| 15:12.47 | Lancer | k |
| 15:12.48 | logged | I wonder if dd would make an iso out of a copyrighted CD. |
| 15:12.54 | bob2 | oskie: that's what I mean. |
| 15:12.57 | greycat | logged: yes, it will |
| 15:13.00 | bda | hahah. |
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| 15:13.09 | greycat | logged: however, it may have problems with *copy-protected* CDs. |
| 15:13.13 | tarzeau | logged: yes |
| 15:13.13 | oskie | tarzeau: interesting, what software do you use to create those maps? |
| 15:13.20 | tarzeau | logged: but readcd is much better |
| 15:13.20 | squire | greycat: this is not my machine, and I'm too lazy to create an account just for now |
| 15:13.22 | oskie | tarzeau: long-lat? |
| 15:13.27 | hyksos | is there any tool that displays full-screen graphics that will made out of sound sources? xmix-video like |
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| 15:13.40 | tarzeau | oskie: it's all written there :) xplanet |
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| 15:13.46 | bob2 | can cdparanoia defeat any of the stupid copy-restriction schmes around atm? |
| 15:13.52 | bda | adduser/deluser require effort. |
| 15:13.53 | logged | tarzeau: How does readcd work? Where do I get it from? |
| 15:13.55 | greycat | bob2: some of them, I believe |
| 15:14.04 | tarzeau | logged: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ i've got an example there |
| 15:14.04 | greycat | !+find bin/readcd$ sid |
| 15:14.11 | tarzeau | it's in cdrecord |
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| 15:14.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/readcd' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/readcd) in otherosfs/cdrecord. |
| 15:14.52 | tarzeau | helix, dondelelcaro, gordonjcp: gone? |
| 15:15.00 | logged | tarzeau: THANKS |
| 15:15.08 | squire | bda: adduser/deluser doesn't need effort, but setting up a sane X environment does |
| 15:15.36 | bda | squire: I see your valid point and raise you rsyncing of dotfiles. ;-) |
| 15:16.13 | ircdevil | heh |
| 15:16.19 | squire | bda: anyway, I haven't been bitten yet and hence refuse to learn the lesson ;) |
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| 15:16.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: you'll have to be perverted all by yourself, now ;-) |
| 15:16.42 | bda | Heh. |
| 15:16.48 | tarzeau | bob2: what did i do? |
| 15:16.59 | greycat | bob2: hardly. |
| 15:17.06 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm an angel! O:-) |
| 15:17.07 | bob2 | hm, what should my routes look like if I'm masq'ing eth0 to ppp0? |
| 15:17.17 | greycat | #debian is never short on perverts |
| 15:17.31 | bob2 | tarzeau: BATTERIES! |
| 15:17.33 | ircdevil | ~airport |
| 15:17.35 | | [airport] if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... |
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| 15:17.42 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:17.54 | tarzeau | :) haha gawd |
| 15:17.57 | bob2 | allcaps nick. |
| 15:18.00 | bob2 | bad sign! |
| 15:18.08 | bob2 | I feel it in my booooones! |
| 15:18.14 | tarzeau | Name: cbi.telkom.net.id |
| 15:18.22 | greycat | allcaps nick + non-resolvable IP address = worse sign |
| 15:18.29 | ircdevil | bob2 give him the turing test ... |
| 15:18.32 | tarzeau | greycat: it resolved for me |
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| 15:18.37 | bob2 | 'tis true, 'tis true. |
| 15:18.50 | ryuujin | tits where? |
| 15:18.50 | greycat | tarzeau: ok, point. |
| 15:18.53 | ryuujin | oh, nevermind. |
| 15:18.57 | greycat | ryuujin: look down... |
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| 15:19.00 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed ryuujin |
| 15:19.00 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tarzeau |
| 15:19.02 | bob2 | forward and reverse don't match, though. |
| 15:19.17 | tarzeau | oh no, who brainwashed dpkg? |
| 15:19.18 | ircdevil | heh |
| 15:19.21 | tarzeau | apt tits |
| 15:19.22 | | tits are what men live for |
| 15:19.27 | ryuujin | word. |
| 15:19.29 | bob2 | tarzeau: it's just at the drycleanners. |
| 15:19.36 | ryuujin | \^_^/ |
| 15:19.48 | bda | vividan: Put them on Slim-Fast, then. |
| 15:20.03 | vividan | bda: haha, I prefer the bz2 plan |
| 15:20.03 | ryuujin | greycat: my girlfriend got two of them, but she's not here at the moment. |
| 15:20.16 | bda | vividan: What did I just say? |
| 15:20.17 | bda | :P |
| 15:20.20 | vividan | :P |
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| 15:20.34 | bob2 | "hike up your skirt a little more, and show the world to me" <- good advice. |
| 15:20.35 | zion71 | has anyone ran into the problem of the /etc/modules being more recent that the /lib/modules |
| 15:20.45 | zion71 | if so, what was the resolution |
| 15:20.46 | bob2 | zion71: update-modules |
| 15:20.53 | asg | bob2: be careful, you might find something you're not expecting |
| 15:21.09 | zion71 | bob2: DOH!!! |
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| 15:21.18 | bob2 | asg: oh yeah, it's traumatic every time! |
| 15:21.58 | bob2 | asg: but why can't we just be sober? |
| 15:22.09 | greycat | doot da doot da doot, doot-doot-doot... |
| 15:22.13 | hyksos | the visualization plugins in xmms are only for the xmms player or can they played full screen? |
| 15:22.14 | asg | bob2: heh |
| 15:22.22 | sheyzZzz | guys, im stuck |
| 15:22.29 | bda | sheyzZzz: Crisco. |
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| 15:22.36 | greycat | s/y/s/ |
| 15:22.48 | gordonjcp | tarzeau: nope, I'm here |
| 15:22.55 | bob2 | layla? clapton? |
| 15:23.00 | greycat | bob2: Kinks. |
| 15:23.04 | bob2 | ah |
| 15:23.04 | zion71 | tried running update-modules...it did not change...same issue |
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| 15:23.11 | bob2 | wellllll before my time. |
| 15:23.18 | zion71 | any other ideas |
| 15:23.25 | bob2 | zion71: ignore it |
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| 15:23.34 | greycat | bob2: c'mon, it's a classic! |
| 15:23.44 | greycat | bob2: and don't give me that "I'm too young" line either |
| 15:23.54 | bob2 | are they the "turning japanese" folks? |
| 15:24.05 | tarzeau | bob2: make him explain, i don't get it either |
| 15:24.07 | gordonjcp | bob2: wasn't that xtc? |
| 15:24.09 | greycat | no, that's some 80s band |
| 15:24.12 | sheyzZzz | (bob2) ty |
| 15:24.18 | tarzeau | does it have anything to do with elmo? |
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| 15:24.23 | fgh | hi |
| 15:24.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: don't mess with elmo! |
| 15:24.29 | azreal | turning japanese was the vapors |
| 15:24.30 | fgh | KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 |
| 15:24.32 | sheyzZzz | but ina ll seriousness, can someone help me get this net install going ? |
| 15:24.33 | fgh | at boottime |
| 15:24.34 | greycat | azreal: ahhhh.... |
| 15:24.35 | asg | bob2: that was 'The Vapors' |
| 15:24.36 | bob2 | ah, right. |
| 15:24.38 | fgh | with sid and 2.6.0 |
| 15:24.42 | fgh | KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 |
| 15:24.42 | gordonjcp | azreal: yup, you're right |
| 15:24.58 | bob2 | fgh: you need to paste it some more times before we can help. |
| 15:25.04 | azreal | i watched a lot of mtv in the 80's :P |
| 15:25.07 | bob2 | sheyzZzz: which bit isn't working? |
| 15:25.25 | asg | greycat: dunno, just noticed it myself after rebooting a minute ago |
| 15:25.31 | zion71 | bob2: why should I ignore it the problems with /etc/mtab and /etc/modules ??? |
| 15:25.32 | bob2 | it looks IPSECy. |
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| 15:25.42 | bob2 | zion71: because they don't matter. |
| 15:25.43 | slammer | hi |
| 15:25.47 | fgh | greycat: und what can i do? |
| 15:25.51 | bob2 | zion71: you're better off worrying about the smell of your hair. |
| 15:25.56 | bob2 | fgh: ipsec? |
| 15:26.37 | sheyzZzz | im on the Install Modules part .... I tried the ne module, but it fails, card worked fine under windows, google searches say to use 'ne' module, but maybe its a base address problem ? or ifso, what is the or how do I determine the io=0xNNN value ??? |
| 15:27.03 | bda | sheyzZzz: You're probably just using the wrong driver for the card. |
| 15:27.12 | bob2 | it's a ISA card. |
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| 15:27.14 | slammer | kernel 2.4.18 is the lastest kernel available for Debian Woody... isn't it vulnerable ? |
| 15:27.18 | sheyzZzz | (bob2) yes sir |
| 15:27.22 | bob2 | you need to provide the IRQ and addr. |
| 15:27.25 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ |
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| 15:27.33 | bob2 | slammer: no, the bug wa fixed in the woody version. |
| 15:27.40 | sheyzZzz | (bob2) how do I determine that ? |
| 15:27.43 | bda | slammer: Debian patches their kernels. |
| 15:27.47 | tarzeau | ISA, PCI ang AGP for mothers |
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| 15:27.55 | azreal | dont they say to use the tulip driver if your haveing trouble finding a nic driver to work? its supposed to be like a universal one |
| 15:28.01 | slammer | bob2, bda : thanks |
| 15:28.11 | tarzeau | azreal: nah, just try them out, really depends on what you have |
| 15:28.14 | tarzeau | a |
| 15:28.14 | sheyzZzz | Ive tried tulip |
| 15:28.20 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: try 3c59x too |
| 15:28.29 | bob2 | GAH, I"m AN IDIOT. |
| 15:28.29 | sheyzZzz | ok brb.. |
| 15:28.35 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: if you have compaq try tbird or thunder thunderland thunderbirdlan or so |
| 15:28.38 | bob2 | it helps to enable packet forwarding |
| 15:28.44 | bda | bob2: hahaha. |
| 15:28.45 | bda | Nice. |
| 15:28.50 | tarzeau | idiots this way #gentoo |
| 15:28.54 | bob2 | azreal: no, tulip will only work on tulip cards. |
| 15:29.04 | tarzeau | sandman: don't take it too serious i'm really only kidding |
| 15:29.13 | azreal | bob2: hmm, i read that about some driver, maybe ne2k |
| 15:29.22 | bob2 | azreal: still no. |
| 15:29.25 | sheyzZzz | (tarzeau) its still an ISA card, dont I need to get the base address and irq? |
| 15:29.39 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: if it's a soundcard it's pretty much 0x220 |
| 15:29.41 | bob2 | azreal: ne2k is pretty damn popular, so will "likely" work, but it will still only work on ne2k cards. |
| 15:29.52 | sheyzZzz | (tarzeau) nic |
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| 15:30.04 | bob2 | w00t, now I can fetch a weeks worth of mail. |
| 15:30.06 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: of course it could be +0x40 or -0x20 in 0x10 steps |
| 15:30.11 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: oh :) |
| 15:30.20 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: who manufactured it? |
| 15:30.27 | sheyzZzz | its an old card, but all I have for right now |
| 15:30.35 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: old is not bad! |
| 15:30.37 | sheyzZzz | its a D-Link DE-220P |
| 15:30.40 | logged | I am trying to kill DD by executing kill -9 43245 but it says "aborting command due to timeout" |
| 15:30.53 | tarzeau | in german language there is a saying "auf alten pfannen lernt man kochen" |
| 15:31.02 | tarzeau | (if someone minds translating it to english) |
| 15:31.11 | sheyzZzz | and its got both the cat5 connector and the older one too |
| 15:31.23 | sheyzZzz | (im not sure what it is called) |
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| 15:32.03 | hyksos | with old pan's you learn to cook |
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| 15:32.17 | tarzeau | hyksos: can it be understood in two ways too, in english? |
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| 15:32.25 | hyksos | wmscope is similar to this what i search, does noone knows a tool like this |
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| 15:32.32 | tarzeau | hyksos: in german language you can read between the lines, often |
| 15:32.52 | hyksos | tarzeau :dont know |
| 15:32.58 | bda | BNC? AUI? |
| 15:33.01 | bda | Heh. |
| 15:33.12 | hyksos | tarzeau :oh, i think in english you can read more between the lines |
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| 15:33.29 | bob2 | ok, crap. |
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| 15:33.41 | bob2 | I have so much mail courie has fallen over and died. |
| 15:34.00 | bob2 | %lart courier |
| 15:34.04 | hyksos | bob2 :? how much must that be? |
| 15:34.22 | bob2 | 4638 messages (2780 seen) for rob |
| 15:34.37 | hyksos | at one day? |
| 15:34.42 | tarzeau | bob2: mailinglists? |
| 15:34.46 | asg | hyksos: lists |
| 15:34.49 | bob2 | hyksos: haven't been able to fetch it for a week. |
| 15:34.52 | bob2 | tarzeau: and spam. |
| 15:35.22 | asg | bob2: you get the 'penis patch' spam yet? |
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| 15:35.35 | bob2 | hahaha, no. |
| 15:35.36 | bda | ..what's the patch for? |
| 15:35.45 | sheyzZzz | shouldnt I use 'depca' ? |
| 15:35.48 | asg | bda: extension (~+2 inches) |
| 15:35.52 | bda | It doesn't install an actual mangina, does it? |
| 15:35.53 | bda | Oh. |
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| 15:37.13 | Maggus | hi, i have some trouble with traffic shaping, my setup is here: http://www.brutkrieg.de/pizza_maggus/tt.txt all traffic goes to class 1:30, www-surfing traffic should go in other class but doesnt :( where is my mistake? |
| 15:37.22 | tomsaII | Hello, does anyone know how group is working with Debian/NIS ? |
| 15:37.44 | bob2 | Maggus: #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:38.00 | Maggus | bob2: thx |
| 15:38.06 | sheyzZzz | *strikes his head* |
| 15:38.09 | sgeigerbot | Which package causes a wireless card to beep when it is inserted? |
| 15:38.20 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: pcmcia ? |
| 15:38.34 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: I was thinking it would be pcmcia-cs |
| 15:38.40 | tarzeau | yeah that! |
| 15:38.43 | asg | sgeigerbot: that should be the one |
| 15:38.43 | bda | The card manager/pcmcia-cs. |
| 15:38.53 | sheyzZzz | so far all inits failed, I need to know base address =/ |
| 15:38.56 | bda | netstat -tuna is probably the most amusing command ever. |
| 15:39.03 | asg | bda: netstat -pant |
| 15:39.13 | bda | tuna > pant, yo. |
| 15:39.30 | Lancer | okya...I read the FAQ and tried out all the suggestions including using ExplorerPS/2 as well as read the FAQ for xfree, and I already had everything installed and setup for usb, and I still have a problem with my mouse only moving from top to bottom. Any other suggestions? |
| 15:39.45 | tarzeau | Lancer: did you wash the balls? |
| 15:39.51 | bda | Also -t isn't portable. ;-) |
| 15:39.54 | Lancer | tarz: it's optical |
| 15:39.55 | bda | er. |
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| 15:40.06 | asg | bda: the criterion was 'funny', not 'portable' |
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| 15:40.15 | bda | asg: My command had -t in it as well. |
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| 15:40.18 | bda | :\ |
| 15:40.35 | tarzeau | Lancer: 10 years ago, it was a broken pin, now with usb i don't know |
| 15:40.43 | asg | bda: then again, 'alias' can make anything hilareous |
| 15:40.47 | vividan | could someone point me to nvidia drivers that work with 2.6? |
| 15:40.47 | SF|jIRC | anyone know where to find the java plugin for mozilla? |
| 15:40.48 | Lancer | heh...thnx for the help though |
| 15:40.49 | tarzeau | 10 ago , we'd just put in another pin and the crap workd again |
| 15:40.59 | sgeigerbot | I've upgraded to Linux 2.6.0, and I can successfully modprobe my wireless card's modules, but inserting the card does not cause a beep of any sort or put anything into syslog...and iwconfig does not show any interfaces with wireless extensions. What might be wrong? |
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| 15:41.11 | bda | asg: This is true. |
| 15:41.13 | Lancer | technology...ain't it grreat |
| 15:41.29 | greycat | ~listkeys kernel options |
| 15:41.35 | asg | sgeigerbot: what does 'cardctl status' say? |
| 15:41.42 | tarzeau | Lancer: who is the manufacturer of the mouse? |
| 15:42.01 | sgeigerbot | asg: open_sock(): No such device |
| 15:42.10 | Lancer | tarzeau: you prolly don't want to know :P |
| 15:42.10 | tapas | hi, i understand that debian manages a systemwide menu for all installed wm's. What would the best way to include selfc ompiled apps in that menu without disturbing debians mechanism |
| 15:42.11 | asg | sgeigerbot: ouch! |
| 15:42.14 | tapas | ? |
| 15:42.18 | tarzeau | Lancer: microsoft! |
| 15:42.23 | Lancer | lol |
| 15:42.31 | bda | Nothing wrong with Microsoft mice. :P |
| 15:42.32 | tarzeau | Lancer: i've got a Sun Microsystems usb mouse on my apple ibook2 |
| 15:42.33 | Lancer | made in china :) |
| 15:42.42 | bda | tarzeau: haha. |
| 15:42.44 | asg | tarzeau: hehe, those aren't too bad |
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| 15:42.54 | tarzeau | asg: at least they've got three buttons ;) |
| 15:43.01 | Lancer | wouldn't be so bad if it would actually move from left to right as well |
| 15:43.04 | asg | tarzeau: yes and a nice form factor too |
| 15:43.10 | bda | I can top that. |
| 15:43.29 | bda | At the Philly hackerspace we have a PowerMac with a Sun monitor and Intellimouse. :D |
| 15:43.37 | bda | With a PenguinComputer mousepad. |
| 15:43.44 | Lancer | heh |
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| 15:43.57 | gulsoft | Hi. I've bougth a router recently. It's connected to my cable-modem to give internet access to several computers. But now, i can't send emails with exim or postfix. I have all time the same "Connection timed out". I've opened the 25 port in the router but it's the same. Any idea? |
| 15:43.58 | tarzeau | bda: i've got a lesbian mousepad! www.cafeshops.com/lesbianlinux/ do you? |
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| 15:44.24 | tarzeau | Lancer: you know you can steer the x cursor wiht the keyboard too? ;) |
| 15:44.31 | asg | tarzeau: I ought to be a 'jumping jesus on a pogo stick' mousepad |
| 15:44.32 | Lancer | oh boy..... |
| 15:44.42 | bda | Heh. |
| 15:44.48 | sgeigerbot | asg: I couldn't find a package by the name of "ouch!"...Is there some other advice you have? |
| 15:45.09 | migiel | does someone know where can i find information about: 'one partition with more then one harddisk' ? |
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| 15:45.14 | asg | sgeigerbot: make sure you have pcmcia support in the kernel. if so, make sure those pcmcia modules are loaded |
| 15:45.23 | Lancer | tarz: oh? |
| 15:45.26 | tarzeau | migiel: fdisk -l /dev/theharddisk |
| 15:45.40 | migiel | tarzeau: thx |
| 15:45.41 | bda | migiel: RAID, md, LVM? |
| 15:45.48 | migiel | bda: RAID |
| 15:45.53 | migiel | s |
| 15:45.54 | migiel | :) |
| 15:45.55 | sgeigerbot | asg: I have pcmcia_core loaded. Which other ones? |
| 15:46.13 | asg | sgeigerbot: the bridge (yenta_socket, etc.) |
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| 15:46.45 | Lancer | tarzeau: umm that doesn't seem to work in x |
| 15:46.45 | ryuujin | should i begin pointing fingers now? |
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| 15:47.06 | Csan | sorry for the off-topic, but... does anyone know anything about mozilla.org? |
| 15:47.13 | Lancer | migiel: I beleive that was in the debian-faq :P |
| 15:47.14 | Csan | seems to be down |
| 15:47.22 | UnknownQ | i'm sorry for this long url but i have to share this hilarious ad with some linux users: http://adserver.sharewareonline.com/AdServer/MemTurbo/TrafficMP/tmppopwiz/ad.htm |
| 15:47.25 | migiel | Lancer: okej, i'll check it :) |
| 15:47.25 | tarzeau | Lancer: yes sure, ctrl-num lock or alt or shift or a combination of it (beep!) |
| 15:47.34 | tarzeau | Lancer: then try the numeric arrow keys |
| 15:47.39 | Lancer | okie |
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| 15:47.50 | asg | Csan: do you know how long it has been down? |
| 15:47.58 | Csan | asg: how long? |
| 15:47.59 | pflanze | how is this d*rn command called that does the c-library realpath() thing? (one is 'chase', but it's not installed by default) |
| 15:48.16 | asg | Csan: I was asking you. It's likely they are doing some maintenance, just wait a bit. |
| 15:48.16 | tarzeau | pflanze: hallo! :) |
| 15:48.26 | tarzeau | pflanze: guets nois! (happy new year) |
| 15:48.31 | Csan | asg: ah ok... well I noticed it a few... monutes ago |
| 15:48.35 | Csan | minutes |
| 15:48.44 | asg | Csan: yeah, should be up relatively soon then. |
| 15:48.47 | Csan | also irc.mozilla.org is down |
| 15:48.52 | pflanze | tarzeau: thanks, Dir auch und allen andern! |
| 15:48.54 | Lancer | uhh....there's definitely something wrong |
| 15:49.01 | bob2 | pflanze: realpth from the realpath package, too |
| 15:49.01 | Lancer | that doesn't work |
| 15:49.30 | synic | anyone have any experience with a wpc11 linksys wireless card? |
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| 15:49.33 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: lol |
| 15:49.49 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: sheep eat pflanzen! and dog ... |
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| 15:50.23 | tarzeau | pflanze: he said that! |
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| 15:52.25 | bda | Heh. |
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| 15:53.29 | tam | hmm i done a umount -a thinking i was only gonna umount all my nfs shares but it has umounted all my mount points...and mount -a won't bring them back up...anyone got any ideas on how i can fix this? |
| 15:53.40 | oskie | hey, I'm now running ping -f on a spammer from a dedicated 10MBit connection at work |
| 15:53.43 | nwo | magel |
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| 15:53.59 | bda | oskie: Sounds like a good way to get fired. |
| 15:54.20 | sgeigerbot | oskie: that might simply be a relay machine. It's perhaps better just to do nothing... You might get yourself in trouble. |
| 15:54.46 | oskie | bda: well, the bandwidth isn't used for anything important at the moment |
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| 15:54.54 | sgeigerbot | oskie: Btw, your internet connection is the bottleneck |
| 15:54.56 | bda | oskie: That's not the point, though. :P |
| 15:54.56 | oskie | sgeigerbot: so the relayer goes down, and i'm happy |
| 15:55.11 | tam | oskie: what about the spammers isp you are damaging? |
| 15:55.14 | bda | Whoever hosts that box notices the spike, they call it up.. etc, etc. |
| 15:55.19 | oskie | 471129 packets transmitted, 465796 packets received, +504 duplicates, 1% packet loss .. hm he must've been pretty fast |
| 15:55.22 | Lancer | umm what is the package name in sarge to install gnome? |
| 15:55.29 | oskie | tam: it's some chinese ISP... who cares |
| 15:55.37 | tam | lmao |
| 15:55.45 | tarzeau | Lancer: 'gnome*' |
| 15:55.52 | oskie | hmm apparently it was korea.. oh well |
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| 15:55.58 | hyksos | there are some plugins for xmms that visualize the sound ,but only one is getting sized to full screen, does someone know a url for more xmms vis.. plugins? |
| 15:56.09 | tarzeau | hyksos: #xmms |
| 15:56.13 | madness | oskie: that's pretty fucking lame. |
| 15:56.14 | zinx | hyksos: www.xmms.org |
| 15:56.17 | hyksos | tarzeau :oh, thx |
| 15:56.23 | tapas | xmms.org |
| 15:56.30 | madness | oskie: that kind of behaviour is no better than the behaviour of the spammer. |
| 15:56.31 | oskie | madness: now you'd have to explain yourself |
| 15:56.33 | sgeigerbot | hyksos: google.com? |
| 15:56.34 | tapas | the www part was down yesterday |
| 15:56.39 | zinx | tapas: :x |
| 15:56.48 | bda | madness: Yeah, better explain yourself before oskie busts a ten meg link out on your ass. ;-) |
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| 15:56.52 | madness | oskie: you're wasting everyones resources for revenge. |
| 15:56.56 | Lancer | tarzeaue: says it has no installtion candidate? |
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| 15:57.06 | bda | Welcome to #l33t. |
| 15:57.08 | tarzeau | Lancer: have you ever tried GNUstep or xfce4 ? |
| 15:57.10 | madness | bda: indeed. |
| 15:57.14 | tarzeau | Lancer: much nicer than kde and gnome, anyways |
| 15:57.16 | oskie | madness: true .. but still, you can't fight back with pen & ink |
| 15:57.17 | Lancer | tarz: nope? |
| 15:57.21 | tola | what's the command to see which devices actually exist in /dev? I want to know what to symlink /dev/dvd to... |
| 15:57.28 | bda | oskie: Fight back with firewall rules if you care that much. |
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| 15:57.35 | abrotman | tola: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 15:57.36 | bob2 | tola: look for it in dmesg. |
| 15:57.39 | oskie | bda: firewall rules to stop spam? heh. |
| 15:57.43 | madness | oskie: so basically, "if you can't beat them, join them" ? |
| 15:57.55 | bda | oskie: Spam can't get at your mailhost if uh, the connection can't get past the border, can it? |
| 15:57.55 | Lancer | tarzeau: says it can't find the package GNUstep |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | tola: ignore that .. i should read all of it :) |
| 15:58.03 | tarzeau | Lancer: apt-get install 'gnustep*' |
| 15:58.06 | bda | Considering you're all up on this single host as it is. |
| 15:58.10 | bda | :D |
| 15:58.12 | sgeigerbot | oskie: use spamassassin...which has blacklist support |
| 15:58.15 | bda | Shee, dawg, this ain't the wild west. |
| 15:58.16 | tarzeau | Lancer: you'll want "wmaker" too |
| 15:58.16 | tola | abrotman: :) |
| 15:58.34 | oskie | sgeigerbot: i am, but these spam always go through the rules.. i think it's some kind of common bulkmail software |
| 15:58.35 | tola | bob2: thanks |
| 15:58.41 | Csan | oskie: and next time, please RTFM before doing such stupid things |
| 15:58.43 | Lancer | tar: k |
| 15:58.52 | madness | oskie: so long as you acknowledge that it's no better behaviour than the spammers themselves, and that it just makes you a script kiddie (and not a very good one at that, given that there are much more efficent ways of killing boxen) |
| 15:58.57 | sgeigerbot | oskie: I think the blacklists are a pretty effective way to handle spam, especially since an admin of a machine relaying mail will be told sooner or later that his machine is being used to spam... |
| 15:59.00 | Lancer | tarzzeau: I'm in the process of install it now |
| 15:59.04 | Csan | ping(8) to help ya a little |
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| 15:59.08 | sgeigerbot | oskie: It's a good way to keep people honest. |
| 15:59.09 | RelDrgn | mmm window maker |
| 15:59.14 | oskie | madness: I'd spam the spammers to death, if I had the option... |
| 15:59.24 | madness | oskie: which makes you just as low as them. |
| 15:59.25 | bda | Yeesh. |
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| 15:59.27 | tam | is mount -a the correct flag to mount everything which is in /etc/mtab ? |
| 15:59.32 | tarzeau | Lancer: cool! it looks like this, www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg and xfce4 you can see here www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/ |
| 15:59.38 | Lancer | I guess kde has broken dependancies in sarge |
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| 15:59.43 | Csan | oskie: read the explanation behind the "-f" option |
| 15:59.45 | sgeigerbot | tam: don't you think the man page would cover that? |
| 15:59.46 | tarzeau | gmx sucks, www.linuks.mine.nu/gmx/gmx_sucks.txt |
| 15:59.47 | asg | tam: fstab, not mtab |
| 15:59.48 | bda | tam: No, /etc/fstab. |
| 16:00.12 | Lancer | tarz: oh....I don't have a a browser at the moment that will alow me to view...using links right now |
| 16:00.32 | tarzeau | Lancer: links 2 has a graphical version (./configure option) -g |
| 16:00.34 | VolVE | hey all, I'm having trouble with my sudoers file - I made an entry like this 'user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/tar, PASSWD: ALL' but instead of prompting for a password on all commands except /usr/bin/tar, it simply prompts for no password on any of them... |
| 16:00.44 | Lancer | tarz: ah didn't know about that |
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| 16:00.47 | tam | sgeigerbot: read man page. it says so. i was wrong. needed help as i am dumb |
| 16:00.51 | bipolar | how are folks here configuring their systems to automaticly mount usb memory devices? I know that dists like suse and mandrake have this set up already, but I don't know how they do it. |
| 16:00.56 | Lancer | I'll habe to install links2 |
| 16:00.59 | oskie | madness: not quite. I stop them, everyone is happy. and who cares if they were stopped with 'dark-side' methods? :) |
| 16:01.01 | tarzeau | bipolar: if you knew german |
| 16:01.06 | asg | bipolar: they use 'supermount' you might try using 'autofs' |
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| 16:01.15 | oskie | but as it turned out, the ping -f had little effect. heh |
| 16:01.27 | tarzeau | bipolar: www.linuks.mine.nu/lug-ag/vortraege/ see the usb-stick.* |
| 16:01.28 | bda | oskie: Your darkside fu is apparently weaksauce. :D |
| 16:01.32 | bas | when i try to use screen i get an error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/3' - please check.... whats that? |
| 16:01.38 | bda | Pointless waste of resources anyway. |
| 16:01.40 | bipolar | tarzeau, asg: thanks! |
| 16:01.41 | oskie | bda: yeh:) |
| 16:01.51 | sgeigerbot | tam: This brings to mind a certain four-letter word you may have never seen before: R-E-A-D |
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| 16:01.57 | madness | oskie: get a fucking grip. Even if you *did* stop them, you'd be causing problems for lots of ISP's and therefore users along the way |
| 16:01.58 | sgeigerbot | tam: ;-) |
| 16:02.08 | Lancer | tarz: how do I start gnustep |
| 16:02.12 | Csan | exactly, madness |
| 16:02.14 | tam | sgeigerbot: have been...unfortunately i am pretty dumb |
| 16:02.25 | madness | oskie: you are, in fact, a script kiddie. |
| 16:02.26 | sgeigerbot | tam: stop saying that. |
| 16:02.28 | hyksos | has someone installed xmms-nebulus? |
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| 16:02.42 | pw | hyksos: probably... |
| 16:02.42 | tarzeau | Lancer: apt-get install gridlock gworkspace gnumail gnustep-icons wmaker wmaker-data imageviewer gsdict |
| 16:02.42 | madness | oskie: I do hope that someone gives you a clue. |
| 16:02.49 | tam | sgeigerbot: OK :) |
| 16:02.54 | hyksos | pw :the binary or selfcompiled? |
| 16:02.57 | tarzeau | Lancer: then echo exec wmaker > $HOME/.xinitrc (maybe backup ye old one) |
| 16:02.58 | oskie | madness: I paid for my ISP to handle 10MBit/s .. if they have a problem with me using that capacity, they charge me more |
| 16:03.07 | sgeigerbot | tam: When you are in a man page, just type "/" followed by what you are searching for. So, to answer your question, I typed "man mount" and then "/-a" and then pressed "/" a couple more times until I found the answer. |
| 16:03.09 | tarzeau | Lancer: inside window maker , rmb desktop |
| 16:03.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: is there any relationship between windowmaker and gnustep? |
| 16:03.16 | buht | hey all, should i use lprng or cups or another recommended tool for simply setting up an HP printer via parallel port? i will also want to share this printer later on (samba?) with the network |
| 16:03.19 | pw | hyksos: I was alluding to the fact that if you have a question about it, just ask. |
| 16:03.21 | Lancer | k |
| 16:03.30 | tam | sgeigerbot: hehe that is _exactly_ what i do |
| 16:03.36 | tarzeau | bob2: window maker is the window manager most still use together with gnustep |
| 16:03.40 | sgeigerbot | tam: then practice |
| 16:03.48 | asg | buht: either would be fine, cups is a little easier to work with if you are new to printing with unix |
| 16:03.53 | tarzeau | bob2, Lancer: www.gnustep.org www.gnustep.us www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ |
| 16:03.55 | Csan | oskie: I don't knwo about your ISP, but ours clearly state that you cannto use it with bad intentions. ping -f is bad. |
| 16:04.01 | madness | oskie: one: I'd be pretty damn sure that your ISP's contract does not allow you to perform denial of service attacks. |
| 16:04.07 | hyksos | pw: there some errrors while dpkg -i , but when you havent installed it, it is too much writting for me here to show you my prob |
| 16:04.08 | buht | asg: ok thank you |
| 16:04.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: is windowmaker a gnustep app? or even written in objC? |
| 16:04.12 | bda | Even pathetic ones? :D |
| 16:04.15 | sgeigerbot | tam: actually, your best bet at this point is to re-compile the kernel with AOL support,,,, that should fix it |
| 16:04.17 | madness | oskie: also, it's not just your ISP who suffers. |
| 16:04.17 | tarzeau | bob2: no, no |
| 16:04.22 | hyksos | pw: thanks anyway |
| 16:04.30 | oskie | Csan: sure, but that's a different thing |
| 16:04.32 | bob2 | tarzeau: ok, thanks. |
| 16:04.43 | Csan | madness: well, leave it, he is hopeless :| |
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| 16:04.54 | oskie | madness: with your reasoning, no ISP would allow spamming either |
| 16:04.54 | tam | sgeigerbot: OK shall i modprobe for that or will i just go for kernel-image-aol-2.4.23 |
| 16:04.55 | pw | hyksos: if the package is broke, file a bug. There's prolly not much you can do if you're not happy cracking open a .deb and fixing it yourself. |
| 16:04.58 | tam | ? |
| 16:04.59 | madness | Csan: yes, dumb stupid script kiddie. |
| 16:05.13 | madness | oskie: and most people don't. And you are no better than a spammer. |
| 16:05.54 | abrotman | all from the same guy? |
| 16:05.57 | asg | oskie: then use dspam and train it |
| 16:06.00 | oskie | madness: we've had this discussion about 'me being no better than a spammer'. you can't repeat the same arguments over and over when i've already answered them |
| 16:06.02 | madness | oskie: and I'm tired of the internet slowing up because 1. of spammers, and 2. of people like you dossing things. |
| 16:06.29 | madness | oskie: you've answered them invalidly, and I've rebuked them |
| 16:06.33 | Ikarus_ | madness: only about 0.001% of the internet traffic is spammers |
| 16:06.40 | bda | haha. Just 30. |
| 16:06.42 | Ikarus_ | madness: and maybe 0.1% DoS'ers |
| 16:06.52 | sgeigerbot | Ikarus_: what's your source? |
| 16:07.00 | abrotman | the rest is all that html mail outlook generates :) |
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| 16:07.13 | madness | Ikarus_: where do you get those statistics from ? |
| 16:07.17 | bda | madness: His pants. |
| 16:07.22 | xenohugs | pantz |
| 16:07.32 | TonyStark | goof evening |
| 16:07.35 | madness | "30 % of statistics are made up on the spot" |
| 16:07.43 | hyksos | pw: if you have a little bit of time i can post the crap on # |
| 16:07.46 | bda | It is likely, however, that he was "joking". |
| 16:07.46 | hyksos | flood |
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| 16:07.49 | Ikarus_ | sgeigerbot: a paper someone recently gave (on spammers mostly), concerning the myth that spammers clog up the internet, google |
| 16:08.04 | RelDrgn | Statistics show that smoking is the leading cause of statistics |
| 16:08.08 | TonyStark | i'm having trouble makin ipmasq package work with two ethernet cards and a dhcp connection, and i have read and tried all the docs, can anybody lend me a hand? |
| 16:08.22 | sgeigerbot | Ikarus_: The more important statistic is which percentage of email is spam. |
| 16:08.22 | zinx | Ikarus_: spammers mostly clog up the mail servers :/ |
| 16:08.31 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: what kernel are you running? |
| 16:08.34 | bda | And spools. |
| 16:08.35 | Ikarus_ | zinx: that is true |
| 16:08.36 | bda | And support time. |
| 16:08.47 | Ikarus_ | sgeigerbot: that is pretty high |
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| 16:09.03 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: 2.4.22 for k6 |
| 16:09.06 | sgeigerbot | Ikarus_: The fact that people pirate movies and music doesn't lessen the spam problem, even though that makes it look as if there is less spam. |
| 16:09.10 | pw | hyksos: I'm trying to push you into solving your problem yourself. First thing I'd do, for example, is google for the error message you receive. You're likely to pull up a mailing list post that might help you out. |
| 16:09.15 | sgeigerbot | ...in your statistic. |
| 16:09.33 | sgeigerbot | zinx: It's more than half, according to something I heard. |
| 16:09.36 | clovis_ | hi, someone can help me about installing Epson 5900L print? |
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| 16:09.51 | lebowski | zinx: iirc it's 80%, check janet if you want stats from them |
| 16:09.53 | Ikarus_ | zinx: 50% according to that doc (remember, mailinglist produce alot of bulk traffic legally) |
| 16:09.59 | zinx | sgeigerbot: yeah, but is that just spam with a destination, or all spam sent? |
| 16:10.01 | tarzeau | lebowski: janet? where? |
| 16:10.06 | hyksos | pw:ah |
| 16:10.15 | clovis_ | s/print/printer |
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| 16:10.19 | lebowski | tarzeau: http://www.janet.ac.uk/ |
| 16:10.38 | sgeigerbot | Ikarus_: I repeat: The fact that people pirate movies and music doesn't lessen the spam problem, even though that makes it look as if there is less spam. ...so please don't pass along pro-spam propaganda, because if you do, you are part of the problem and will be dealt with accordingly. ;-) |
| 16:10.41 | lebowski | iirc they published some interesting stats recentlyt |
| 16:10.46 | clovis_ | lebowski: the big? |
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| 16:11.14 | Ikarus_ | sgeigerbot: I am not pro-spam, but I am against thinking of it as an internet halting problem |
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| 16:11.39 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: you're using a debian package? it should have the iptables stuff compiled for it... make sure you have the iptables package installed too |
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| 16:11.54 | hyksos | everybody has the right to write someone a letter |
| 16:12.17 | ljlane | hyksos, z |
| 16:12.25 | tarzeau | hyksos: what's your email address? |
| 16:12.39 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: additionally, do you have other iptables rules in -t nat or -t filter FORWARD that might be conflicting with ipmasq?> |
| 16:12.42 | sgeigerbot | Ikarus_: I exit this thead on the grounds that I have encountered a social virus. |
| 16:12.49 | hyksos | xx.yy.22@spamgourmet.com |
| 16:12.53 | matt_ | can anyone running testing and version 2.85-7 of the sysvinit package show the results of this command: md5sum /sbin/init |
| 16:13.02 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: esta instalado, and the internal network is accesible, the problem is that the internet isn't acesible from the internal net |
| 16:13.03 | zinx | hyksos: they don't have the right to send an unsolicited letter to a private email account |
| 16:13.07 | clovis_ | Does someone know CUPSys? |
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| 16:13.12 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: i have not put any rule |
| 16:13.22 | sgeigerbot | clovis_: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
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| 16:13.42 | buht | if i want to load my keyboard and mouse (both are PS2) as modules... is that "input core support" in the kernel config? |
| 16:13.49 | buht | the reason i want to do this is because of the damn video switch, if the machine reboots on the wrong switch the keyboard and mouse are screwed so i need to be able to reload them |
| 16:13.52 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: hmmm... i wonder if the script is even running? What does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say? |
| 16:13.53 | buht | :) |
| 16:13.54 | tarzeau | buht: don't even try |
| 16:14.12 | buht | tarzeau : ok so im screwed with ps2 pretty much? |
| 16:14.15 | tarzeau | buht: there's a way you can reset the keyboard controller, if that helps |
| 16:14.19 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: says 1, it says what it sohuld said... |
| 16:14.21 | buht | tarzeau : how :) |
| 16:14.24 | clovis_ | How to add drivers ine the CUPSys? |
| 16:14.25 | tarzeau | buht: who is the manufacturer of your keyboard switch? |
| 16:14.31 | kzar | a guide said to edit /etc/bashrc to make aliases but that file doesnt exist on my pc, is that the right file in debian to edit or is it different? |
| 16:14.34 | tarzeau | buht: let me find the docs, it's easy |
| 16:14.34 | buht | tarzeau : tried killing tty1 and stuff,,, ... Belkin |
| 16:14.53 | sgeigerbot | clovis_: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 16:14.55 | asg | kzar: personal user aliases should be put in ~/.bashrc |
| 16:14.59 | tarzeau | buht: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-10.html |
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| 16:15.07 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: weird. I'd check the -t nat rules that it creates, make sure that the ipmasq scripts are using the correct ip address range for the internal network (iptables -t nat -vnL) |
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| 16:15.11 | kzar | asg: i want it to do it for all users |
| 16:15.13 | bda | kzar: /etc/profile for global aliases. ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc for user-centric. |
| 16:15.14 | asg | kzar: also, see /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 16:15.18 | bersace | hello |
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| 16:15.19 | bda | Or that. |
| 16:15.20 | bda | shrug. |
| 16:15.27 | kzar | bda: thanks |
| 16:15.27 | cantona | what's happen to 2.4 and 2.5 kernel? |
| 16:15.30 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: make sure it has correct network interfaces (ie, eth0 and eth1, maybe it got them backwards?) |
| 16:15.33 | tarzeau | buht: if you need help write the code, i can give a hand or point you in the right direction (if this is what helps you,i don't know) |
| 16:15.34 | bersace | i can't reach to chroot with knoppix |
| 16:15.38 | bda | cantona: They turned into pumpkins. |
| 16:15.49 | sgeigerbot | cantona: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 16:15.52 | RelDrgn | cantona: what do you mean? |
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| 16:16.01 | bersace | it always return "no such file .." |
| 16:16.19 | clovis_ | I have a Epson 5900L printer, I want to use it with my debian... I've downloaded the .ppd file of my printer... but I dunno if that is really the driver, or if I need something else... |
| 16:16.21 | abrotman | bersace: #knoppix |
| 16:16.25 | buht | tarzeau : thanks ill read it and come back |
| 16:16.35 | buht | tarzeau : was input core support the correct section though? |
| 16:16.35 | bersace | abrotman: i 'll try again ... |
| 16:16.39 | RelDrgn | cantona: do you mean "what happens now that 2.6 is out?" Bugfixes and security fixes will continue on 2.4, with 2.5 pretty much dying as the people who use 2.5 switch to 2.6 |
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| 16:16.53 | tarzeau | buht: i don't know if you can compile that stuff as modules, sure you can try |
| 16:16.54 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: i have no idea about iptables, that's why i'm using ipmasq, what's expected to apper with iptables -t nat -vnL? |
| 16:16.56 | cantona | reldrgn: yes |
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| 16:17.08 | buht | tarzeau : ok thanks for your help... ill bbl after i try it |
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| 16:17.28 | ZaSt | hi.... |
| 16:17.35 | ZaSt | some can help me ?'' |
| 16:17.37 | bob2 | kickass, Arch can now sign revisions. |
| 16:17.42 | bda | ZaSt: Ask your question and see. |
| 16:17.44 | bob2 | ZaSt: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 16:17.50 | asg | ZaSt: our magic 8 ball is broken, please ask a specific question |
| 16:17.53 | bob2 | arch++! |
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| 16:17.59 | nvs | asg: ;-) |
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| 16:18.04 | abrotman | is dpkg dying? |
| 16:18.08 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: a list of firewall rules. Maybe you should go read the nat-howto at www.iptables.org (the last howto on the howto list there) |
| 16:18.17 | bob2 | abrotman: yeah, he caught SARS from BSD. |
| 16:18.19 | asg | abrotman: his database has suffered a failure and he's forgotten all the factoids |
| 16:18.22 | asg | bob2: haha |
| 16:18.25 | bob2 | that damn VIRAL GPL. |
| 16:18.29 | abrotman | another bot to use? |
| 16:18.31 | ZaSt | I have a Debian Sarge... |
| 16:18.32 | tarzeau | dpkg gender |
| 16:18.33 | dpkg | tarzeau: wish i knew |
| 16:18.36 | asg | abrotman: apt, ravenbird, modconf |
| 16:18.39 | bob2 | abrotman: apt, modconf and ravenbird |
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| 16:18.46 | ZaSt | I have installed Wine and notepad.exe work... |
| 16:18.46 | abrotman | oh .. apt is back again |
| 16:18.50 | TonyStark | RelDrgn: maybe, but i would like to make ipmasq wokr either... |
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| 16:18.53 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: M-x unfire-hair |
| 16:18.53 | bda | o_O |
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| 16:19.17 | clovis_ | so allbody dunno CUPS? |
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| 16:19.25 | ZaSt | when I try to install ACDSEE with wine, it crashed... |
| 16:19.33 | asg | clovis_: you probably need the foomatic-* filters |
| 16:19.35 | ZaSt | where I can found new Wine Deb ?? |
| 16:19.40 | RelDrgn | TonyStark: the nat howto has a short chapter on "I just want masquerading". Its very easy to do, and you can compare what ipmasq is doing to what that tells you to do |
| 16:19.50 | abrotman | ZaSt: there are daily debs at winehq.org iirc |
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| 16:20.20 | Ikarus_ | ZaSt: try #winehq if you have a proper error message |
| 16:20.22 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Thanks. Crap, that should be *at the TOP* of the man page. |
| 16:20.28 | bda | photonn: Double the n, double your pleasure? |
| 16:20.32 | ZaSt | thk |
| 16:20.32 | tola | what would be the command to symlink /dev/dvd to /dev/hdd ? |
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| 16:20.44 | asg | tola: man ln |
| 16:20.49 | nvs | tola: ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/dvd |
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| 16:20.55 | tola | asg: didn't work ;) |
| 16:20.57 | bda | ln -s source target |
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| 16:21.00 | tola | nvs: thanks |
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| 16:21.07 | bda | Though man would increase your penis size. |
| 16:21.14 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: it's in the sgeigerbot FAQ. |
| 16:21.21 | abrotman | matt_: did you get an md5? |
| 16:21.27 | asg | tola: apt-get install manpages |
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| 16:22.16 | buht | debian-overflow --- neat :) |
| 16:22.29 | buht | tarzeau : bet you knew i was coming right back :) can you help me out with sending the commands? |
| 16:22.43 | tarzeau | buht: sure... |
| 16:22.55 | arturaz_ | Is there some way to get mysql 4.1 deb's? :) |
| 16:23.08 | abrotman | arturaz_: for woody? |
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| 16:23.11 | tarzeau | buht: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/unfrgiven.txt |
| 16:23.12 | asg | arturaz_: www.apt-get.org perhaps |
| 16:23.13 | bob2 | build thems yourself |
| 16:23.15 | bob2 | or pay the maintainer. |
| 16:23.17 | tarzeau | buht: can you look at this and try yourself? |
| 16:23.20 | bob2 | it won't be very hard. |
| 16:23.24 | tarzeau | buht: if you can't do it i help |
| 16:23.26 | hyksos | tarzeau :oh, #xmms is a very high chan, i asked where i can get some plugins, banned :) |
| 16:23.34 | tarzeau | hyksos: hahahaha |
| 16:23.36 | buht | tarzeau : yep |
| 16:23.40 | buht | bbl... trying now |
| 16:23.47 | tarzeau | hyksos: maybe you need to go to #xmas |
| 16:23.50 | arturaz_ | abrotman, for sarge |
| 16:24.00 | asg | hyksos: that's a little harsh |
| 16:24.11 | hyksos | tarzeau :at that time it could be the better choice |
| 16:24.20 | synic | anyone have any experience with PCMCIA wireless cards in Debian? |
| 16:24.24 | bda | Talking about the evils of spam... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/30/nyregion/30MESS.html?ex=1073451600&en=842e06fd6a6991f6&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE |
| 16:24.25 | tarzeau | hyksos: the usually aren't that harsh |
| 16:24.57 | tarzeau | synic: it just works |
| 16:24.59 | hyksos | tarzeau :ok |
| 16:25.09 | synic | tarzeau: not for me :( |
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| 16:25.53 | sheyzZzz | (tarzeau) windows sees the card at io 0240-0250F and on Interupt Request 5, so what would the command line arguments look like?? io=240 irq=5 ? |
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| 16:26.04 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: i'm not sure if its =240 or =0x240 |
| 16:26.05 | abrotman | arturaz_: check apt-get.org .. sarge only seems to have 4.0 |
| 16:26.16 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: but yes insmod with these parameters (maybe modprobe) i really odn't know |
| 16:26.17 | sheyzZzz | welp, I meant 0x240 |
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| 16:26.35 | sheyzZzz | (tarzeau) its not installed yet, im trying to do an ftp install |
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| 16:27.36 | RelDrgn | io is given in hex 0xf00, irq is given in decimal 42 |
| 16:27.36 | sheyzZzz | (tarzeau) do I have to put ne first? ie: ne io=0x240 irq=5 |
| 16:27.50 | arturaz_ | hmm. will debian/rules be same for 4.1? :/ |
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| 16:28.06 | jimpop | has anyone come across this before: "libgnutls.so.7: no version information available" |
| 16:28.35 | tarzeau | sheyzZzz: i have no idea, try |
| 16:28.48 | RelDrgn | arturaz_: its possible |
| 16:28.52 | tarzeau | arturaz_: 4.1 ? |
| 16:29.11 | arturaz_ | 4.1-alpha |
| 16:29.21 | arturaz_ | or can exim4 run perl scripts from it's config? ;] |
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| 16:29.29 | RelDrgn | arturaz_: I have a lot of luck with only minor tweaks to the rules file usually., The big thing to remember is to change the other control files too, to have the correct version numbers and stuff |
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| 16:29.48 | RelDrgn | exim4 can do a lot of things ;) |
| 16:30.00 | sheyzZzz | bah, it keeps failing |
| 16:30.13 | sheyzZzz | on ne, any other modules I should try ? |
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| 16:30.29 | RelDrgn | sheyzZzz: is this a pci card? |
| 16:30.46 | RelDrgn | sheyzZzz: ne2k-pci if so |
| 16:30.47 | sheyzZzz | I wish |
| 16:30.49 | sheyzZzz | but no |
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| 16:31.17 | RelDrgn | hm, i think there might be a ne2k or a ne2000 module for isa. I had one of those way back when I first started on linux |
| 16:31.23 | ryuujin | !seen zignig |
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| 16:31.30 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'zignig', ryuujin |
| 16:31.33 | sheyzZzz | yah it says ne is for ne2000 |
| 16:31.38 | ryuujin | hum.. |
| 16:31.40 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:31.41 | ryuujin | stupid bot. |
| 16:31.55 | abrotman | what kind of card is it? |
| 16:31.58 | Ikarus_ | NE also handles NE1000 |
| 16:32.14 | sheyzZzz | DE-220P |
| 16:32.17 | sheyzZzz | DLink |
| 16:32.54 | abrotman | well .. those ne drivers should work :( |
| 16:33.37 | gahan | is it possible to grab java in .deb? |
| 16:33.43 | Ikarus_ | sheyzZzz: that is not the chip :), prolly just a generic 8029 (which is a NE2000 compaitible chip) or Crystal 8900 |
| 16:33.55 | abrotman | gahan: www.apt-get.org .. search for sdk iirc |
| 16:34.32 | sheyzZzz | yeah I know that, windows saw the card at io 0240-0250f and irq=5 |
| 16:34.47 | abrotman | irq5? .. thats usually for soundblaster |
| 16:35.13 | sheyzZzz | (RelDrgn) Ive noticed that too |
| 16:35.39 | Ikarus_ | sheyzZzz: look on the actual card |
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| 16:35.43 | RelDrgn | many dlinks in my experience are an 8139too card, or a tulip |
| 16:35.49 | Ikarus_ | sheyzZzz: and tell what is on the chip itself |
| 16:35.57 | sheyzZzz | ok, gimme a sec |
| 16:36.14 | jetscreamer | 1 |
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| 16:38.31 | sheyzZzz | the chip doesnt say much cept P/N: and a shitload of numbers |
| 16:38.40 | sheyzZzz | bah, pardon the french |
| 16:39.10 | seto | sheyzZzz hmm .. tu dis quoi ? |
| 16:39.11 | azreal | sheyzZzz: its an isa card? |
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| 16:39.38 | sheyzZzz | yes sir |
| 16:39.45 | azreal | sheyzZzz: there are no words on any of the chips? |
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| 16:40.07 | azreal | sheyzZzz: type everything it says on the chips |
| 16:40.12 | hfb | hmmm |
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| 16:40.18 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) ok incoming .... |
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| 16:41.11 | RelDrgn | hrm |
| 16:41.26 | RelDrgn | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/9909.2/0051.html says it should be ne, but don't use the ne.c that dlink provides |
| 16:41.46 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) MYSON MTD492N / 0010ER21X1 |
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| 16:42.07 | abrotman | what the hell is that? |
| 16:42.37 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) P/N: 181025183760 / BN7064 |
| 16:42.42 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) thats everything |
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| 16:42.54 | RelDrgn | its possible that you need a newer ne.c though, taking a look at some of these things |
| 16:42.57 | sinclaird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.21 | InKyBRB | is lame in apt? |
| 16:43.33 | RelDrgn | sinclaird: try using `` instead of '' |
| 16:43.35 | streuner | InKyBRB: /msg dpkg lame |
| 16:43.37 | InKyBRB | thx |
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| 16:43.56 | sinclaird | RelDrgn: just did and I got the same thing |
| 16:43.59 | streuner | InKyBRB: s/dpkg/ravenbird/ |
| 16:44.00 | bipolar | InKyBRB: yes, in http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 16:44.04 | buht | is cupsys the same "CUPS" that i need to configure a printer for debian? |
| 16:44.04 | InKyBRB | k |
| 16:44.09 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) side of card readds: 8DE220PCT1D2 |
| 16:44.09 | Nurbs | just use $(...) instead of `...` |
| 16:44.16 | RelDrgn | sinclaird: then make sure that the whole cmmand isn't in quotes or something |
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| 16:44.46 | sinclaird | Nurbs: thanks didn't know you could do that |
| 16:44.56 | streuner | InKyBRB: so add the sources.line to your sources.list, marillat has the package |
| 16:45.02 | azreal | sheyzZzz: did you try the realtek driver? |
| 16:45.03 | Nurbs | it's easier to get right and also easier when nested :) |
| 16:45.09 | sheyzZzz | which one? |
| 16:45.31 | azreal | sheyzZzz: rtl-8139 |
| 16:45.37 | InKyBRB | great thanks all |
| 16:45.46 | sheyzZzz | \lemme try brb |
| 16:46.25 | azreal | sheyzZzz: from google'ing, someone said that a similar card says RTL8029AS, underneath the MYSON sticker |
| 16:47.11 | buht | anyone use CUPS for printing? |
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| 16:47.17 | greycat | RTL 8029 uses the ne2k-pci driver |
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| 16:48.00 | azreal | greycat: just an idea, maybe its a different realtek chip. *shrug* |
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| 16:50.18 | matt_ | abrotman: no |
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| 16:51.10 | sandman | Will running Debian(testing) make available as many packages as gentoo? |
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| 16:51.42 | yaman | hello.. im mounting a fat32 drive, and when i try to explore the files with nautilus, or in gtk apps like xmms, the directories show up as files... but as root in a console, i can cd |
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| 16:52.37 | sheyzZzz | I guess Ill have to go get s new nic |
| 16:52.53 | sheyzZzz | none of the modules are working |
| 16:52.53 | eeyore- | hmm, interesting. there were two packages for EFI a while ago and now there's a story about EFI on /. is there a motherboard that implements this EFI (extensible firmware interface) feature? |
| 16:53.10 | sheyzZzz | unless I am setting the params wrong |
| 16:53.12 | eeyore- | those two packages were: efibootmgr and gnu-efi |
| 16:53.30 | azreal | sheyzZzz: the only other idea i have, is try the ne-1000 module |
| 16:53.33 | tarzeau | yaman: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
| 16:53.36 | tarzeau | yaman: maybe that helps? |
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| 16:53.47 | honschu | delete the first char in a line if its a '#' --- how to do this with sed? |
| 16:53.47 | sheyzZzz | azreal, ne is 2000 and 1000 |
| 16:53.58 | RelDrgn | dunno about sarge, but sid (unstable) has: Information about 13632 package(s) was updated. |
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| 16:54.28 | azreal | sheyzZzz: according to the kernel though, the ne-2000 driver DOES NOT work for ne-1000, so maybe there is a diffrence |
| 16:54.36 | tarzeau | honschu: s/^#//g maybe? |
| 16:54.36 | greycat | honschu: sed 's/^#//' |
| 16:54.44 | greycat | tarzeau: no need for g on that one |
| 16:54.49 | tarzeau | greycat: true |
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| 16:55.02 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) to kernel 2.2* |
| 16:55.12 | honschu | greycat: sed 's/#//' GREAT! THX |
| 16:55.16 | sheyzZzz | (azreal) im trying to do a floppy/ftp install |
| 16:55.19 | honschu | tarzeau: thx, great |
| 16:55.49 | GomoX | does the woody bf24 kernel on the install media support software raid? |
| 16:55.59 | tarzeau | honschu: don't forget ^ |
| 16:56.07 | yaman | tarzeau, yes thanks! |
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| 16:56.41 | sheyzZzz | windows saw the card at io 0240-0250F on irq 5, so as arguments I am putting io=0x240 irq=05, I have tried both with and without 'ne' in front of that as well |
| 16:56.43 | azreal | sheyzZzz: hmm, i dont have 2.2, i guess though, the differenc is, ne2k-pci, and just ne2k, or ne. |
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| 16:58.41 | TonyStark | anybody uses ipmasq package? |
| 16:58.47 | oskie | you shouldn't need to specify IRQ or IO addresses with PCI cards! |
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| 16:58.55 | sheyzZzz | its ISA |
| 16:58.59 | azreal | oskie: its not pci |
| 16:59.01 | RelDrgn | hm, a --patch-only might be nice for apt-get source |
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| 16:59.08 | oskie | well, then ne2k-pci won't work :) |
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| 16:59.11 | sheyz_ISA | hehehe |
| 16:59.22 | sheyz_ISA | im using the ne |
| 16:59.24 | jetscreamer | wtf is this kbuild stuff |
| 16:59.26 | sheyz_ISA | or trying to for that matter |
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| 17:00.01 | clovis_ | ok.. it works... I thought my printer was a PS printer... it isn't! So I've need a driver... |
| 17:00.07 | sheyz_ISA | lemme ask you this, in BIOS SHould I disable OS PnP? Leave it Win95, or use Other OS PnP |
| 17:00.07 | sladegen | ~hello |
| 17:00.12 | | Howdy Bub |
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| 17:00.16 | oskie | sheyz_ISA: try realtek ones... r8169, 8139cp, 8139too, i don't know what the modules are called |
| 17:00.39 | jetscreamer | try looking on http://scyld.com/network for wtf to load |
| 17:00.43 | RelDrgn | sheyz_ISA: you should probably say that the os does not have pnp |
| 17:01.05 | azreal | sheyzZzz: you are trying to load the module from the debian install menu thingy? |
| 17:01.08 | jetscreamer | you have an isa pnp ne card? |
| 17:01.24 | sheyz_ISA | (azreal) yup |
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| 17:01.34 | oskie | hehe maybe you need to run the dreaded isapnp thingy |
| 17:01.37 | azreal | sheyzZzz: ok, have you tried other irq's? |
| 17:01.49 | sheyz_ISA | (jetscreamer) i beleive so |
| 17:01.50 | oskie | ISA Plug'n'Play .. the horror |
| 17:01.51 | jetscreamer | so did you specify the ports and interrupts and stuff? (guess so) |
| 17:01.56 | jetscreamer | mine worked fine |
| 17:02.19 | jetscreamer | once i specified the ports on module load |
| 17:02.20 | sheyz_ISA | (jetscreamer) windows saw the car at irq 5 and io 0240-0250F |
| 17:02.28 | CueballUK | How can I find out what CPAN modules are installed? |
| 17:02.30 | RelDrgn | sheyz_ISA: and it seems that it really should be ne, but the driver provided by dlink doesn't work properly. |
| 17:02.32 | sheyz_ISA | so I really dont know what arguments to use |
| 17:02.33 | azreal | sheyzZzz: my friend and i went through this shit before, with an old ne1000 card, win said it was irq 7 or something, and it was 5 or 3 |
| 17:02.54 | sheyz_ISA | (RelDrgn) im not using Dlink drivers |
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| 17:03.03 | jetscreamer | did you use 0x240 or just 0240 or what (sorry for newb questions) |
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| 17:03.21 | RelDrgn | it should be 0x240 (if it really is hex 240) |
| 17:03.29 | jetscreamer | me i had to get the dos proggie that set the card, iirc |
| 17:03.29 | sheyz_ISA | io=0x240 irq=0 (hopefully to find the irq auto) |
| 17:03.38 | RelDrgn | sheyz_ISA: try installing isapnptools and see what they say about the card? |
| 17:03.53 | zinx | sheyz_ISA: i don't think it can find the right IRQ |
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| 17:04.05 | zinx | sheyz_ISA: if it's 5 in windows, it's 5 in linux |
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| 17:04.10 | sheyz_ISA | (RelDrgn) its an install, I dont have debian fully installed |
| 17:04.14 | RelDrgn | if the bios is set to "OS supports PnP" then the card may not even be turned on without some pnp support |
| 17:04.14 | zinx | sheyz_ISA: unless it's plug'n'pray |
| 17:04.16 | sheyz_ISA | no cd |
| 17:04.41 | azreal | sheyz_ISA: as i said, i had a similar problem with my friend, it was the irq the whole time, its that old isa wannabe PnP shit |
| 17:04.44 | jetscreamer | iirc i had to set pnp bios to NO in bios but i forget |
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| 17:05.12 | sheyz_ISA | ok first let me et BIOS to no OS PnP |
| 17:05.13 | sheyz_ISA | brb |
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| 17:05.25 | jetscreamer | damn nic works a lot better than this one though |
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| 17:05.37 | greycat | if it's an NE2000 card, it comes with a DOS diskette that has a setup program, which can set the card into static-IRQ-and-IO mode instead of ISA-PnP mode |
| 17:05.38 | sheyz_ISA | grrr this means full floppy boot again, *sigh* |
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| 17:06.16 | sheyz_ISA | (greycat) I dont have the dos disk, nothing on hdd, cept for formatted linux partition |
| 17:06.30 | jetscreamer | i was able to get the config program from the netgear website |
| 17:06.38 | jetscreamer | for my netgear isa pnp nic |
| 17:06.50 | greycat | sheyz_ISA: well, the second choice for a 2.2.x kernel would be to use the userspace isapnp programs... |
| 17:07.07 | greycat | (how's your LISP-fu? ;-) ) |
| 17:07.07 | jetscreamer | and you can boot to the config with freedos boot disk |
| 17:07.43 | hyksos | how can i find out what is making irq7 busy? |
| 17:08.03 | greycat | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 17:08.21 | RelDrgn | arr. postgres 7.3.4 has a seriously hardcore debian/ directory :/ |
| 17:08.24 | jetscreamer | irq7 is usually for the printer eh |
| 17:08.33 | RelDrgn | err do |
| 17:08.42 | hyksos | what is the meaning of XT-PIC ? |
| 17:08.52 | sheyz_ISA | well I just set the bios to use BIOS IRQ Arranging |
| 17:08.57 | sladegen | RelDrgn: mess with your mind ;) |
| 17:08.59 | sheyz_ISA | and set irq 5 to ISA Card |
| 17:09.53 | amphi | hyksos: 'programmable interrupt controller' I believe |
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| 17:09.59 | hyksos | has someone a soundblaster ESI 1788 ? |
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| 17:10.20 | migiel | kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7-smp <-- what does the smp mean ? |
| 17:10.36 | sheyz_ISA | inode too |
| 17:10.45 | sladegen | migiel: multi CPU enabled kernel |
| 17:10.50 | migiel | ok |
| 17:10.50 | Gathond | migiel: that the kernel is compiled with SMp support (multi CPU) |
| 17:10.55 | migiel | thx :) |
| 17:11.56 | CueballUK | How can I find out what CPAN modules are installed? |
| 17:12.29 | greycat | CueballUK: ask #perl? |
| 17:12.57 | CueballUK | Thanx. I tried #CPAN and #CGI. Never thought of #perl :) |
| 17:13.44 | beermogul | CueballUK: msg me your email addr i'll send you a perl script to do it |
| 17:14.20 | CueballUK | Ahh cool. Cheers. |
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| 17:14.48 | Web52|Doochy | ! |
| 17:15.37 | nocturnal_ | i need to get into one of our older debian servers but we don't have the root pass and it's hard to find help on this from google when i don't know exactly what to search for... |
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| 17:15.52 | jetscreamer | hey if i wanna make a bind dns file, do i call it db.domainname, or db.domainname.com ? |
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| 17:16.09 | nocturnal_ | i would like to start in single user mode but i mounted the drive with slacks install cd and changed the runlvel but it still boots into level 2 |
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| 17:16.22 | hyksos | how can i modify opera that it complete the url with the first one that is choosen if i went down with the arrow-key? like in mozilla, where i can simply use <tab> to go to the web-page |
| 17:16.25 | Orhad2 | hello, i did a ghost restore of my debian install, and now when i bootup all i get is this "LI" |
| 17:16.26 | jetscreamer | pass single at boot |
| 17:16.28 | Orhad2 | what does that mean ? |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think you can call it whatever you want |
| 17:16.33 | jetscreamer | rerun lilo |
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| 17:16.45 | Orhad2 | how, i can't get into the system |
| 17:16.50 | nocturnal_ | jetscreamer: thats what i'm doing i get to lilo and i type Linux single |
| 17:16.53 | abrotman | Orhad2: rescue disk |
| 17:16.53 | nocturnal_ | linux is the label |
| 17:16.55 | Orhad2 | does debian have some kind of rescue feature using the cd like mandrake ? |
| 17:16.56 | jetscreamer | boot floppy, rescue cd |
| 17:17.00 | greycat | Orhad2: yes |
| 17:17.07 | nocturnal_ | rescue root=/ |
| 17:17.08 | thebug | nocturnal_: if you're already able to mount it from the slack install cd, you should be able to do something like "chroot /mnt/target" or wherever it's mounted, then do "passwd root" and reset the root password |
| 17:17.10 | abrotman | Orhad2: sorry .. wrong person :) |
| 17:17.15 | SP | Orhad2: boot off cdrom.. mount the filesystem.. chroot run a shell and execute lilo =) |
| 17:17.16 | jetscreamer | use install cd and type rescue root=/dev/hdx at boot prompt |
| 17:17.22 | abrotman | Orhad2: no wait . that was right :) |
| 17:17.24 | abrotman | damn it |
| 17:17.26 | nocturnal_ | thebug: i thought about that bur wasn't sure how to do it |
| 17:17.30 | abrotman | no more drinking before noon |
| 17:17.31 | nocturnal_ | thebug: thanks i'll try it |
| 17:17.35 | jetscreamer | hdxx not hdx |
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| 17:17.37 | thebug | sure thing |
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| 17:17.48 | Orhad2 | ok, i'll replace bf24 (which is what i normally use) with rescue root=/dev/hda |
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| 17:17.55 | m0nk3y | anyone have any idea why i'm getting this error.. |
| 17:17.56 | m0nk3y | b0x@TraSign:~$ tar -zxvf ircu2.10.09.tar.gz |
| 17:17.56 | m0nk3y | tar: Child died with signal 11 |
| 17:17.56 | m0nk3y | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 17:17.56 | m0nk3y | b0x@TraSign:~$ |
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| 17:17.58 | jetscreamer | hda1 |
| 17:18.00 | m0nk3y | ? |
| 17:18.00 | jetscreamer | or 2 |
| 17:18.02 | m0nk3y | erm |
| 17:18.02 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 17:18.20 | jetscreamer | 4 lines tiimes m0nk3y |
| 17:18.20 | N1N | hi |
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| 17:18.24 | jetscreamer | uh timed |
| 17:18.27 | grew | m0nk3y: dont paste crap in here, please read the rules |
| 17:18.28 | jsye | hello, anyone heard of a global openssh security hole? |
| 17:18.29 | logged | How do I start another x windows? |
| 17:18.31 | jetscreamer | omfg it's trent |
| 17:18.35 | jetscreamer | xnest |
| 17:18.42 | grew | jsye: no, there isnt an unpatched one |
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| 17:18.49 | colde89 | need to install a nfs - network on a loptop , any idea ?? |
| 17:18.53 | grew | that i know of or hasbeen released anyway |
| 17:18.56 | m0nk3y | well |
| 17:19.13 | m0nk3y | do you know what is cause the error ? |
| 17:19.14 | m0nk3y | tar: Child died with signal 11 |
| 17:19.14 | m0nk3y | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 17:19.16 | greycat | colde89: dynamic IP address? |
| 17:19.18 | m0nk3y | that error ? |
| 17:19.18 | N1N | Ive got a problem starting x serv. I think its because of the mouse or keyboard... |
| 17:19.23 | N1N | could someone help me please? |
| 17:19.29 | jetscreamer | nvidia? |
| 17:19.31 | colde89 | greycat ::no |
| 17:19.38 | greycat | colde89: no problem, then. Just do it. |
| 17:19.46 | N1N | jetscreamer > yeah |
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| 17:19.57 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.01 | N1N | thx :) |
| 17:20.07 | colde89 | greycat :: need mountd and nfsd .. |
| 17:20.08 | greycat | jetscreamer: unfortunately, won't work today. |
| 17:20.09 | jetscreamer | and /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:20.12 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:20.14 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 17:20.19 | greycat | colde89: and? apt-cache search nfs server |
| 17:20.25 | N1N | oh :| |
| 17:20.25 | sladegen | m0nk3y: sig 11 usually means hardware problems... is it repeating error? ... if so might be that the file is corrupt |
| 17:20.35 | aw | is it possible to do nat to two network adapters (i hav 3, one conected the internet, another to wifi and another to usb) |
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| 17:20.49 | N1N | in fact x is starting, ive got some black flashes |
| 17:21.02 | colde89 | greycat :: no connection to server with laptop |
| 17:21.10 | N1N | and then a black screen without console or else |
| 17:21.16 | jetscreamer | wtf dpkg got a lobotomy? |
| 17:21.19 | m0nk3y | sladegen, the file i'm trying to untar ? |
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| 17:21.35 | Orhad2 | that did it guys, thanks |
| 17:22.00 | jetscreamer | N1N, did you say no to the framebuffer question and what vid card and did you say no to GLcore and dri |
| 17:22.17 | N1N | can i query you jetscreamer? |
| 17:22.25 | Orhad2 | now how do I install gnome completely, i just installed, skipped both tasksel and dselect, edited my sources.list to sarge, did a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:22.39 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't cuz other ppl probably know more but wtf |
| 17:22.47 | N1N | ok |
| 17:22.53 | jetscreamer | just blurt it out |
| 17:22.58 | N1N | so I choose nv |
| 17:23.05 | N1N | drivers |
| 17:23.11 | jetscreamer | what vid card |
| 17:23.11 | N1N | -o |
| 17:23.17 | N1N | gf4 mx 440 |
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| 17:23.21 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:23.24 | jetscreamer | won't work |
| 17:23.28 | jetscreamer | nv |
| 17:23.38 | jetscreamer | you need nvidia binary |
| 17:23.53 | N1N | ok |
| 17:23.54 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't support gf4 |
| 17:24.01 | N1N | ok |
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| 17:24.08 | N1N | where can i get nvidia binary? |
| 17:24.16 | jetscreamer | download.nvidia.com |
| 17:24.19 | N1N | www.nvidia.com |
| 17:24.21 | N1N | ofcourse :p |
| 17:24.22 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 17:24.31 | azreal | sheyzZzz: so what happened after the reboot? |
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| 17:24.49 | jetscreamer | there is another way/method, some .debs around, but i dunno where |
| 17:25.01 | jetscreamer | dpkg does! |
| 17:25.01 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jetscreamer |
| 17:25.10 | jetscreamer | yeah i noticed |
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| 17:25.26 | RelDrgn | blah. debian's postgres 7.3.4 package is distributed as a tarball containing all of the debian stuff, and another tarball inside of that with the actual postgres source. This won't be fun to try and convert to 7.4.1 ;P |
| 17:25.27 | Mave | there is nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx for sid and testing |
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| 17:25.32 | gnat | how do i configure gpm for a usb mouse? |
| 17:25.34 | thoreauputic | Orhad2: in sarge I think apt-get install gnome should do it... |
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| 17:25.47 | fgh | KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 || at boottime ... what can i do to fix this? |
| 17:25.51 | Orhad2 | thoreauputic will that install xfree86/x11 as well ? |
| 17:25.59 | jetscreamer | fgh yes! |
| 17:26.03 | jetscreamer | i have that too |
| 17:26.12 | fgh | jetscreamer: sid and 2.6.0? |
| 17:26.14 | N1N | jetscreamer > which drivers should i dl? |
| 17:26.17 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 17:26.22 | fgh | hehe |
| 17:26.30 | jetscreamer | 4496 or the 5328 N1N |
| 17:26.37 | thoreauputic | Orhad2: why not try it and see what apt says? |
| 17:26.49 | N1N | ok thx |
| 17:26.49 | aw | can I do nat without settiung up a firewall? |
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| 17:26.52 | jetscreamer | hey test 11 source is out |
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| 17:27.16 | Mave | aw: shorewall is what I prefer. It can do that |
| 17:27.17 | Orhad2 | ok |
| 17:27.19 | colde89 | greycat :: are the packages really neessaesary ?? |
| 17:27.42 | gnat | please can someone help, how can i set up gpm for a USB mouse |
| 17:27.50 | greycat | colde89: for fuck's sake, this is debian. If you want to run linux from scratch, go join #lfs |
| 17:27.59 | fgh | gnat: /dev/input/mice |
| 17:28.00 | jetscreamer | N1N, you'll need to install kernel-headers for 'uname -r' and probably pass export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 |
| 17:28.03 | aw | Mave: can it do nat to two adapters? |
| 17:28.29 | jetscreamer | and install with the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/'uname -r'/include |
| 17:28.30 | zinx | IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH baaaaaad |
| 17:28.31 | Mave | aw: not sure possibly yes |
| 17:28.45 | ways03 | when debian starts up I have a graphical login, how do i configure it to have a regular console login? |
| 17:28.45 | jetscreamer | these are sid instructions |
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| 17:28.50 | gnat | fgh: whats the command to get back to the gpm setup? |
| 17:28.57 | colde89 | greycat : ... |
| 17:28.58 | aw | Mave: thanks, will check. Currently use firestarter but I don't think it can do what I need now. |
| 17:29.00 | Mave | ways03: apt-get remove ?dm |
| 17:29.01 | Orhad2 | apt-get install gnome "Package gnome has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list" |
| 17:29.07 | tarzeau | Mave: slm! #debian.tr |
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| 17:29.11 | jetscreamer | ways03 make /etc/X11/default-display-manager empty |
| 17:29.16 | m0nk3y | anyone know how to remove packages ? |
| 17:29.16 | Orhad2 | thoreupeutic that's what it said |
| 17:29.21 | jetscreamer | or touch one if non-existant |
| 17:29.21 | greycat | m0nk3y: man apt-get, man dpkg |
| 17:29.26 | tarzeau | Mave: why did you not translate www.debian.org/intro/why_debian ? i hope you're not working on it, clin* started on it |
| 17:29.27 | Mave | tarzeau: look at the user list again are you drunk already :P |
| 17:29.31 | fgh | gnat: gpmconfig |
| 17:29.31 | m0nk3y | like remove tar and reinstall it. |
| 17:29.37 | gnat | fgh, thanks |
| 17:29.48 | greycat | m0nk3y: removing tar might make it IMPOSSIBLE to reinstall it. |
| 17:29.50 | bancus | Does anyone know how to force a system to reclaim unused inodes? |
| 17:29.53 | tarzeau | Mave: hey take that back! or i'll rip your BATTERIES out |
| 17:29.58 | greycat | m0nk3y: tar is used during the actual package installation steps |
| 17:30.01 | bancus | Waiting for the automatic sweep takes too long. |
| 17:30.26 | Orhad2 | maybe i need gnome-core ? |
| 17:30.27 | Mave | tarzeau: ok ok. I 've alredy started drinking beer actually ;) |
| 17:30.31 | thoreauputic | Orhad2: apt-cache search gnome |
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| 17:30.54 | jetscreamer | Orhad2, use dselect to install gnome |
| 17:30.58 | m0nk3y | greycat, i think the current tar is messed up i need a new one. |
| 17:30.59 | dbron | Hi all, anyone know of an easy way to allow users to send only to allowed destinations. I think I can use procmail for incoming filters, but a solution for outgoing mail eludes me. |
| 17:30.59 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 17:31.06 | m0nk3y | cause i keep getting this error. |
| 17:31.10 | greycat | m0nk3y: apt-get --reinstall install tar |
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| 17:31.18 | jetscreamer | -y |
| 17:31.26 | tarzeau | Mave: sarhos :) |
| 17:31.28 | m0nk3y | tar: Child died with signal 11 |
| 17:31.28 | m0nk3y | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 17:31.36 | greycat | dbron: it would require that your users be incapable of thought. |
| 17:31.42 | tarzeau | Mave: sarhos petrol :) |
| 17:31.48 | Mave | tarzeau: hihi |
| 17:31.49 | greycat | dbron: if that definition fits your user base, then it would be MTA-specific. |
| 17:31.51 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: The page http://www.linuks.mine.nu is yours?? |
| 17:31.52 | jetscreamer | i thought users were incapable of thought |
| 17:31.53 | ways03 | thanx jetscreamer |
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| 17:32.08 | tarzeau | Guardian_: one among them, yes. why? |
| 17:32.11 | Mave | tarzeau: celebrating the end of the midterms |
| 17:32.25 | dbron | greycat: It's primary school students in rural se US, that's possibly an option. |
| 17:33.01 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: I cant understand the Window manager well |
| 17:33.13 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: Its like KDE or Gnome? |
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| 17:33.22 | tarzeau | Guardian_: i don't use kde or gnome |
| 17:33.33 | dbron | greycat: Maybe I will hack at formail and make them use a brower. |
| 17:33.43 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: What are the advantages over Gnome and KDE? |
| 17:33.50 | jetscreamer | they actually updated it! |
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| 17:34.03 | sladegen | none... perhaps size and speed |
| 17:34.11 | sheyz_ISA | YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:34.14 | sheyz_ISA | wooohooo |
| 17:34.20 | Guardian_ | tarzeau: Again, I want the fastest and the least bloated one DE!! |
| 17:34.24 | sheyz_ISA | thanks Tarzeau, jet, az, and everyone else |
| 17:34.32 | tarzeau | Guardian_: don't take gnome or kde |
| 17:34.36 | greycat | Guardian_: blackbox, fvwm, icewm |
| 17:34.41 | tarzeau | Guardian_: amiwm |
| 17:34.43 | sladegen | Guardian_: twm... |
| 17:34.44 | thoreauputic | fluxbox |
| 17:34.49 | GomoX | fluxbox |
| 17:34.50 | tarzeau | sladegen: ok that's ugly |
| 17:34.50 | Mave | Guardian_: xfce4 is nice too |
| 17:34.51 | sheyz_ISA | I turned off OS PnP IN Bios, and did io=0x240 and it init'd |
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| 17:34.53 | Guardian_ | Stop!!!! |
| 17:34.54 | Guardian_ | lool |
| 17:34.55 | sheyz_ISA | thx to all of you |
| 17:35.05 | GomoX | ~start a desktop war |
| 17:35.10 | | Be smart, use WindowMaker. |
| 17:35.10 | Guardian_ | Everyone suggests something different |
| 17:35.11 | sladegen | he wanted FASTEST and LEAST bloated ;)) |
| 17:35.19 | GomoX | woohoo apt is back |
| 17:35.20 | zophyx | icewm |
| 17:35.25 | Mave | icecream |
| 17:35.45 | zophyx | icewm is the bestest and most goodest |
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| 17:35.57 | Guardian_ | zophyx: Why that? |
| 17:36.05 | ways03 | dpkg gaim 0.74 |
| 17:36.05 | dpkg | ways03: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:36.06 | thoreauputic | fluxbox rul3z! |
| 17:36.08 | betrieb | iget use to like XFce :-) |
| 17:36.15 | debian_user | ~start a desktop war |
| 17:36.17 | | Enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 17:36.17 | zophyx | it's fast and small and very easy to use |
| 17:36.19 | ways03 | dpkg gaim |
| 17:36.19 | dpkg | wish i knew, ways03 |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | at one time .. blackbox was probably the fastest and least bloated .. not sure if its still true |
| 17:36.29 | GomoX | fluxbox is not for the command-line phobic |
| 17:36.31 | debian_user | dpkg gaim |
| 17:36.31 | dpkg | debian_user: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:36.33 | sladegen | Guardian_: there is no best... try some of them, you'll see which one fits you best.. |
| 17:36.35 | Mave | ~start a wm propaganda fest |
| 17:36.44 | debian_user | ? |
| 17:36.46 | GomoX | im running 0.9.6 now but its a little buggy |
| 17:36.53 | jetscreamer | !gaim |
| 17:36.59 | debian_user | !gaim |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | anyone know of a desktop publishing program for linux? |
| 17:37.03 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 17:37.10 | ways03 | !gaim |
| 17:37.11 | Guardian_ | OK, so how do I uninstall the DEs then? |
| 17:37.14 | Mave | abrotman: scribus |
| 17:37.14 | jetscreamer | the database for dpkg is fuxored or something |
| 17:37.19 | dbron | abrotman: I think there is one in openoffice |
| 17:37.21 | Alex | abrotman: scribus is great. |
| 17:37.25 | azreal | i couldnt get into blackbox or fluxbox |
| 17:37.26 | jetscreamer | gaim works, my kids use it |
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| 17:37.35 | debian_user | !gaim |
| 17:37.41 | jetscreamer | fluxbox has nice themes |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | Mave: thankis .. thatsthe one i was looking for .. couldn't remember the name |
| 17:37.50 | debian_user | i'm need the newest version of gaim |
| 17:37.57 | Mave | abrotman: freshmeat.net apt-cache search .... |
| 17:38.01 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gaim |
| 17:38.01 | azreal | does anyone actually use 3dwm? |
| 17:38.01 | debian_user | !fluxbox |
| 17:38.03 | ways03 | debian_user: me too |
| 17:38.05 | azreal | hehe |
| 17:38.20 | Mave | jetscreamer: apt-get install gaim/unstable ;) |
| 17:38.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:38.28 | Guardian_ | How do I uninstall the desktop environment? |
| 17:38.42 | fgh | KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 || at boottime ... what can i do to fix this? |
| 17:38.45 | Guardian_ | and install a new one |
| 17:38.45 | fgh | greycat: und what can i do? |
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| 17:38.58 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gnome or whatever |
| 17:39.00 | Azoff | I have some probs with my TV-Out on my Dell Inspiron 8500, how can I get any thing on my TV? |
| 17:39.01 | fgh | how to fix that? |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | Mave: i didn't even know it was in debian |
| 17:39.18 | Azoff | http://azoff.homeip.net:8080/debian/ |
| 17:39.21 | jetscreamer | gotta be some key mapping thingy |
| 17:39.35 | jetscreamer | same valuses on my box too |
| 17:39.42 | azreal | Azoff: what have you tried? besides plugging in the cable? |
| 17:39.45 | Mave | abrotman: at least testing and sid has |
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| 17:39.51 | Guardian_ | jetscreamer: Why is there the --purge? |
| 17:39.51 | ways03 | debian_user: were you able to get the latest gaim? |
| 17:39.54 | abrotman | i have testing .. looking now |
| 17:40.06 | Guardian_ | jetscreamer: Isnt remove enough? |
| 17:40.09 | jetscreamer | Guardian_, you don't have to use the purge, i just like to |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | Guardian_: it removes config files |
| 17:40.14 | jetscreamer | remove is fine |
| 17:40.24 | Guardian_ | abrotman: Aha, thx! |
| 17:40.26 | Guardian_ | :) |
| 17:40.32 | debian_user | release unstable for gaim was not found @ mave |
| 17:40.43 | debian_user | i have not the latest gaim ways03 |
| 17:40.56 | GomoX | im running gaim 0.72, which one are you looking for? |
| 17:41.06 | Guardian_ | But with purge you clean that rubbish completely! :)) |
| 17:41.13 | Azoff | azreal: nvtv just seams to "hang" the display, the lcd turnes black and nothing on the tv. Then I tried the "right" way using the XF86Config way, but this make the same(!?) problem. nothing on either lcd or tv. |
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| 17:41.20 | debian_user | a version that has the new msn protocol @ gomox |
| 17:41.25 | Mave | debian_user: you don't have unstable in your sources then. adding it opens the pandoras box. you have to use pinning etc |
| 17:41.26 | Orhad2 | jetscreamer even in dselect, i can't find "gnome" directly |
| 17:41.28 | jetscreamer | man apt-get and figure out how to get packages from sources you aren't using, ie sid when you're running woody |
| 17:41.34 | GomoX | debian_user: this one has |
| 17:41.36 | azreal | Azoff: what kind of tuner do you have? |
| 17:41.40 | debian_user | pandoras box? mave? |
| 17:41.44 | jetscreamer | Orhad2, woody? i think it's gnome-core in woody |
| 17:41.50 | debian_user | how i find it gomox? |
| 17:41.52 | jetscreamer | hit / to search |
| 17:41.56 | GomoX | apt-get install gaim o_O |
| 17:41.58 | Azoff | azreal: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go AGP 8x] (rev a1) |
| 17:41.59 | Mave | debian_user: you know from the greek mythology |
| 17:41.59 | jetscreamer | in dselect |
| 17:42.00 | Orhad2 | jetscreamer sarge |
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| 17:42.02 | ways03 | GomoX: where can i get 0.72...synaptic gave me gaim 0.58\ |
| 17:42.08 | GomoX | ways03: in sid |
| 17:42.13 | azreal | Azoff: tv tuner? |
| 17:42.15 | Azoff | azreal: or do you med the tv-chip? |
| 17:42.19 | Azoff | azreal: ahh, w8 |
| 17:42.22 | ways03 | oh, what about in woody? |
| 17:42.31 | Mave | ways03: try apt-get.org |
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| 17:42.39 | betrieb | i am running 2.6 now and everything seems fine but modconf shows no loadable modules? |
| 17:42.40 | Alex | ways03: Are you aware of the differences? :) |
| 17:42.44 | Guardian_ | Guys just one more thing! How's that with Linux games? Is it as in MS Windows or there are packages for them too? |
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| 17:42.59 | jetscreamer | betrieb that's because the comments are commented otu, if that makes sense |
| 17:43.25 | Azoff | azreal: (--) NVIDIA(0): Detected TV Encoder: Chrontel 7009 |
| 17:43.25 | Guardian_ | In which format? |
| 17:43.38 | betrieb | jetsreamer: not for me... |
| 17:43.41 | Guardian_ | are they distributed over net? |
| 17:43.43 | ways03 | Alex: with unstable you get the latest packages, correct? so with woody i can't run the latest packages???? |
| 17:43.53 | GomoX | ways03: nope |
| 17:43.55 | Mave | Guardian_: thera re many packages games for debian. use apt-cache search _keyword_ |
| 17:43.55 | debian_user | mave? where i find unstable packages? |
| 17:44.02 | GomoX | unless you or someone else backports them |
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| 17:44.07 | Mave | debian_user: are you a testing user ? |
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| 17:44.18 | Alex | ways03, debian_user: read on debian.org and educate each other. :) |
| 17:44.23 | buht | which file in /proc will tell me if the kernel found a parallel printer port? |
| 17:44.26 | Azoff | ways03: you *can*, but you have to recompile it against the other packages you got installed. |
| 17:44.38 | buht | i need to know which device my printer port is on and if it is found... |
| 17:44.38 | azreal | Azoff: hmm, i am not familliar with that card, however, i do know that most of the apps use either the v4l interface or the Xvideo extensions, have you looked at xawtv? |
| 17:44.43 | debian_user | mave, no?! only testing for me ^ |
| 17:44.43 | Guardian_ | Mave: Thx! |
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| 17:44.43 | ways03 | oooh |
| 17:44.46 | ways03 | ok |
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| 17:45.07 | Azoff | azreal: no, I haven't. I will check that now. Thanks! |
| 17:45.12 | betrieb | so how can i see the loadable modules with 2.6? |
| 17:45.19 | GomoX | buht: try dmesg | grep -i lp |
| 17:45.28 | azreal | Azoff: if you want to use v4l, you have to compile in bttv stuff in the kernel |
| 17:45.38 | azreal | Azoff: http://bytesex.org/xawtv/ |
| 17:45.50 | Azoff | azreal: I think you got me wrong here then. |
| 17:45.58 | debian_user | alex packages.debian.org is down |
| 17:45.59 | Mave | debian_user: are you using woody sarge or sid? |
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| 17:46.00 | buht | GomoX : on node 0 total pages 98034 |
| 17:46.15 | Azoff | azreal: I wan't to use the tv-out so I can get the display on my TV instead of the LCD |
| 17:46.21 | debian_user | where i see that mave? |
| 17:46.26 | qtio | Im not quite sure how to add a process to rc to have it start at boot. could anyone tell me where to look for info or walk me through it? |
| 17:46.30 | azreal | Azoff: ahh, sorry |
| 17:46.34 | Mave | debian_user: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:46.41 | Azoff | azreal: I think you got the reverse (TV -> LCD) |
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| 17:46.48 | Azoff | azreal: :) |
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| 17:46.52 | debian_user | 3.0+backports.org |
| 17:46.54 | buht | GomoX : whats dat mean :) |
| 17:46.59 | Alex | debian_user: www.debian.org/releases/ - read. :) |
| 17:47.19 | tw|lit | qtio: man update-rc.d |
| 17:47.26 | Mave | debian_user: search backports.org or apt-get.org for recent gaim packages for woody |
| 17:47.35 | colde89 | how know about directory and host:dir format |
| 17:47.38 | GomoX | buht: is that all? |
| 17:47.39 | Azoff | azreal: have you any thing that I can try? |
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| 17:47.54 | bonez39 | where can I get mozilla help? is there a different network |
| 17:47.58 | qtio | thanks tw|lit |
| 17:47.59 | buht | GomoX : yes.... ive installed parallel port support as a module |
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| 17:48.14 | Mave | bonez39: irc.mozilla.org #mozillazine |
| 17:48.51 | azreal | Azoff: my card is ati, all i know about is getting that to work, you can look at the links/docs at xawtv's page, maybe you can find something to help you figure it out |
| 17:48.54 | tw|lit | np |
| 17:49.07 | buht | GomoX : because its a module do i need to look elsewhere? |
| 17:49.10 | qtio | tw|lit it says i dont have the man pages for this ... or it could be undocmented |
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| 17:49.32 | tw|lit | qtio: i have those manpages, so probably you have not installed them |
| 17:49.56 | GomoX | buht: have you loaded the module? |
| 17:50.05 | buht | GomoX : yes with modprobe parport |
| 17:50.09 | Azoff | azreal: I can't see what I done wrong, I have checked 3 pages (different) and done just as it stood. I evan followed the NVIDIA.README file but no success. |
| 17:50.19 | buht | GomoX : and its enabled in bios as bi-directional |
| 17:50.21 | sheyz_ISA | what is the default http address to download the base files during install ?? |
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| 17:50.54 | LoRez | sheyz_ISA: http://http.us.debian.org/debian iirc |
| 17:51.04 | sheyz_ISA | ty |
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| 17:52.02 | buht | GomoX : no lp anything in /proc/devices |
| 17:52.27 | qtio | tw|lit not to be a pain in the ass but i just installed man-db and im still getting "no man page found" is there another way to install manpages? |
| 17:52.53 | TonyStark | does anybody uses ipmas package? |
| 17:53.03 | sladegen | qtio: apt-cache -n search manpage |
| 17:53.04 | tw|lit | qtio: let me check which package has that |
| 17:53.16 | sladegen | proly: manpages-dev |
| 17:53.36 | Mave | TonyStark: I'd use shorewall instead if it |
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| 17:54.10 | TonyStark | Mave: apt-cahce searh shorewall? i do need to make a nat.. |
| 17:54.31 | Mave | TonyStark: yes |
| 17:54.35 | buht | GomoX : any ideas? :( |
| 17:54.41 | azreal | Azoff: im assumeing that there is some module that you have to load, and you have to edit XF86Config-4 to load the module, possibly it has to do with conflicting versions, kernel/X/nvidia stuff? |
| 17:55.17 | azreal | Azoff: check the docs, and make sure you have the right versions of everything you need |
| 17:55.19 | Azoff | azreal: If I try to start X on the LCD everything works well. |
| 17:55.45 | TonyStark | Mave: it supports nat' |
| 17:55.48 | bancus | I delete some huge files on a partition, but the number of used blocks according to df isn't changing at all. |
| 17:56.00 | bancus | Can I poke the kernel and tell it to reclaim that space? |
| 17:56.03 | Mave | TonyStark: yes. you have to edit a few config files |
| 17:56.03 | GomoX | buht: sorry, nope, its been a while since i set up a parallel port printer, you should try some cups documentation |
| 17:56.10 | Azoff | azreal: the anything I can find out there is the <4.3 of X *will* not make the console go back after the tv-out has been active |
| 17:56.23 | tw|lit | qtio: its part of sysv-rc or sysvinit |
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| 17:56.48 | buht | GomoX : im looking all all docs i can find in cups... i need a lower level document on even getting the lp device to be seen. cups is worthless with out the lp |
| 17:56.54 | TonyStark | Mave: ok, i will try it, thanks |
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| 17:57.18 | GomoX | buht: yeah typically you have something like the "cups howto" which will walk you from ground up |
| 17:57.22 | Mave | TonyStark: ipmasq was problematic for me. np.. |
| 17:57.28 | colde89 | how knows about directory is not in host:dir format (networking nfs) |
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| 17:57.56 | TonyStark | Mave: when i ws using a ppp conection (modem+eth) it worked ok, but now with cable connection (2 eth's) it doesn't works... |
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| 17:58.48 | Mave | TonyStark: you may try firestarter too |
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| 17:59.14 | TonyStark | Mave: it does nat too? |
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| 17:59.50 | bancus | Can I poke the kernel and tell it to reclaim that space? |
| 17:59.54 | Mave | TonyStark: yes it can do ip masq. |
| 18:00.23 | LoRez | bancus: umount and remount the filesystem |
| 18:00.34 | bancus | that's the only way? |
| 18:00.39 | TonyStark | Mave: aha, ok, i will try them, did you make work ipmasq? or cannot? |
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| 18:00.55 | LoRez | bancus: or disregard the output of df for a bit. |
| 18:00.59 | Mave | TonyStark: ip masquareding is easy ;) |
| 18:01.14 | bancus | LoRez, but programs are saying that my disk is full. |
| 18:01.22 | tommyj | why did my mouse suddenly get more sensitive with the 2.6 kernel and drivers? (in X) |
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| 18:01.27 | LoRez | bancus: then maybe it still is. |
| 18:01.31 | Mave | TonyStark: ipmasq worked but it limited unnecessary traffic etc |
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| 18:01.37 | TonyStark | Mave: maybe, but i don't have time, nor like it right now you know, maybe in a future |
| 18:01.48 | bancus | I deleted 2GB. It would be amazing if I could fill that back up so quickly. |
| 18:01.53 | azreal | bancus: unmount the fs and run fsck on it? |
| 18:01.58 | TonyStark | Mave: did you make it work with two ethernet cards with a dhcp conecction in one of them? |
| 18:02.04 | Mave | TonyStark: shorewall is very powerfull and actually not hard to use |
| 18:02.05 | LoRez | bancus: there's a fudge factor in the fullness of a drive. normally it's 5% |
| 18:02.06 | bancus | might haveto |
| 18:02.09 | beermogul | know of any good sata pci controllers that are compatible under x86 linux? |
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| 18:02.24 | bancus | well, the df line says /dev/hda6 59060832 56060696 0 100% /home |
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| 18:02.30 | colde89 | how to set up a directory to a host-dir -directiory |
| 18:02.31 | Mave | TonyStark: no but your configuration is very typical |
| 18:02.39 | bancus | There's perpetually 3GB that is unused but not usable. |
| 18:02.52 | bancus | Which would be about 3%. |
| 18:02.57 | bancus | er 5 |
| 18:03.00 | TonyStark | Mave: i know, i have read the docs, i have do everuthing wth says, but my internal lan cannot go out... |
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| 18:03.29 | LoRez | bancus: free more space. that 5% can only be used by root. or you could umount it, and change the reserved percentage with tune2fs |
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| 18:03.58 | bancus | LoRez: But I did free more space. I deleted like 2GB worth of stuff. |
| 18:04.03 | bancus | This happens all the time. |
| 18:04.13 | bancus | About half an hour from now, the system will finally realize that there's space there. |
| 18:04.22 | sgeigerbot | asg: thanks for the yenta tip |
| 18:04.32 | buht | hmmm |
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| 18:04.46 | LoRez | bancus: try a 'sync', but I doubt that'll do much |
| 18:04.53 | orangehaw | Hi guys. I was wondering if there's somebody to help me with: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found on a remote woody box |
| 18:05.00 | buht | cups does not offer me a device (ie: /dev/lp0) in the dropdown... and i cant figure out wtf the system does not see a printer device |
| 18:05.04 | bancus | dammit, I guess I'll just drop to single user and fsck and such |
| 18:05.09 | bancus | thanks for your help |
| 18:05.19 | caphuso | buht: because you forgot to load the necessary modules |
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| 18:05.24 | LoRez | orangehaw: that's because glibc on woody is 2.2, not 2.3 |
| 18:05.33 | buht | caphuso : parport is loaded |
| 18:05.34 | ryuujin | baka~ |
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| 18:06.00 | buht | caphuso : any others? |
| 18:06.00 | caphuso | buht: oh, then i need to rephrase my answer slightly... |
| 18:06.01 | caphuso | buht: because you forgot to load the necessary modules |
| 18:06.07 | orangehaw | i know that LoRez, but i can't seem to upgrade it |
| 18:06.08 | caphuso | buht: parport_pc and lp |
| 18:06.21 | orangehaw | how do i upgrade it |
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| 18:06.38 | buht | caphuso ok... ill go into the kernel config again... and make sure they are loaded lol.. thanks man! brb |
| 18:06.42 | tempo | what is tldp.org built on? |
| 18:06.44 | LoRez | orangehaw: then it wouldn't be woody any longer, now wood it? (spelling unintended, but left alone) |
| 18:07.14 | orangehaw | don't know LoRez, i'm not that experienced dude |
| 18:07.19 | orangehaw | more into bsd |
| 18:07.21 | LoRez | good luck |
| 18:07.45 | capitol | Hi, I needed to repair an broken lilo, and used the installcd, I booted with "rescue root=/dev/sda1" and when I tried to use and tools (fsck, lilo) it complained about not finding the modules for the kernel in /lib/modules. How should I do it? |
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| 18:08.09 | buht | caphuso : i see PC-style hardware in the kernel config, where is lp ? |
| 18:08.19 | caphuso | buht: character devices |
| 18:09.43 | buht | caphuso : thanks for your help :) |
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| 18:10.34 | nube | hello, someone using ion\ion-devel here? |
| 18:10.56 | caphuso | !tell nube about ask |
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| 18:11.21 | buht | YEAY! |
| 18:11.24 | nube | caphuso, i need to get some example configuration files... |
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| 18:11.34 | caphuso | nube: /etc/X11/ion-devel/ |
| 18:11.34 | nube | caphuso, that way i ask this way |
| 18:11.42 | buht | caphuso do i need all 3 modules loaded? parport,parport_pc and lp? whats diff between PC and regular parport |
| 18:12.00 | nube | caphuso, i checked it, but i need more examples |
| 18:12.06 | sgeigerbot | nube: Then ask using one line, not two... |
| 18:12.18 | caphuso | nube: then check the ion-devel wiki, it has another one IIRC |
| 18:12.37 | nube | ok |
| 18:12.37 | caphuso | nube: and while you're on it, read ESR's smart question howto |
| 18:12.50 | nube | ok |
| 18:13.07 | xbaez | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x8c5)! <--- what mean that ? |
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| 18:13.58 | buht | caphuso : well now i have an lp i can echo to... cups doesnt show it... i suppose i need to read up on the cupsd.conf |
| 18:13.58 | sgeigerbot | nube: Make your questoins udp-like (all info in one packet), not tcp-like...which requires a handshake. That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
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| 18:16.33 | galactic | howdy |
| 18:16.43 | galactic | got a sound card problem |
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| 18:17.05 | ryuujin | you're not the only one.. O.o |
| 18:17.10 | sgeigerbot | How would one create a Morphix-like startup screen (with the F2 option for seeing dmesg messages)? |
| 18:17.16 | galactic | :) |
| 18:17.24 | ryuujin | problem is that people in here have quite a problem helping others. |
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| 18:17.48 | galactic | modprobe cs |
| 18:17.48 | galactic | that's not a problem |
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| 18:17.53 | Orhad2 | is gnome broken in sarge ? |
| 18:17.56 | capitol | sgeigerbot: with grub and a custom kernel I think (havn't done it myself) |
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| 18:17.58 | ryuujin | modprobe ac97 is, when the driver isn't supported 2.4.23. |
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| 18:18.28 | Goldfish7 | what modules are needed to use a usb mouse with the new 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 18:19.05 | galactic | device/dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied) |
| 18:19.12 | galactic | what's up with that? |
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| 18:19.51 | amphi | galactic: as root? |
| 18:20.03 | aw | can someone tell me how to do nat without a firewall (using shorewall or whatever)? |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | apt: tell galactic about sound |
| 18:20.24 | Goldfish7 | anyone have a usb mouse working with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:20.30 | tola | I've been trying to install mplayer from cvs (against my better judgement) because the debian package is horribly out of date. But it won't compile. The mplayer developers say it's because I have no XFree86 headers, they say /usr/include/X11 should contain files and it doesn't. I don't have a clue what they're talking about, can anyone help? |
| 18:20.59 | De_Mon | what google search did you try? |
| 18:21.05 | thebug | tola: perhaps you need to apt-get install xlib-dev? |
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| 18:21.36 | Cheethoe | galactic : as what user? |
| 18:21.38 | thebug | errr xlibs-dev |
| 18:22.17 | Cheethoe | Goldfish7 : usb mouse works fine for me with 2.6.0 |
| 18:22.26 | galactic | root |
| 18:22.26 | debian_user | apt: tell debian_user about sound |
| 18:22.38 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: what modules to you have loaded to make it work? |
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| 18:22.45 | tola | thebug: erm, that doesn't appear to exist on unstable, I can't find it :S am I doing someting wrong? |
| 18:23.12 | galactic | I don't know, sb is the one I'm supposed to use, but I can't find it |
| 18:23.36 | De_Mon | tola what google search did you try? |
| 18:23.54 | greycat | galactic: "permission denied" means you didn't follow the steps in "/msg apt audio" |
| 18:23.55 | tola | De_Mon: I tried apt-get install xlib-dev and it didn't find anything |
| 18:24.04 | galactic | I did a full debian install with all seven disks, shouldn't the sb module be loaded? |
| 18:24.14 | greycat | galactic: only if you chose it during the module selection step |
| 18:24.20 | galactic | oh |
| 18:24.21 | De_Mon | tola i seriously hope that wasnt a google search |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | galactic: but "permission denied" means you didn't even get past the file permissions on /dev/dsp |
| 18:24.40 | Cheethoe | Goldfish7 : uhci, USB_HID and INPUT for the input core support |
| 18:24.40 | galactic | can I go back and get it with make-conf? |
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| 18:24.42 | tola | De_Mon: no, I typed it in a shell! |
| 18:24.43 | tommyj | to downgrade a package, do I have to find the erlier package manually or is it any clever command to do this with apt? |
| 18:24.45 | greycat | galactic: did you build your own kernel? |
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| 18:24.55 | galactic | nope |
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| 18:24.56 | tola | De_Mon: E: Couldn't find package xlib-dev |
| 18:25.00 | greycat | galactic: then run "modconf" |
| 18:25.06 | greycat | tola: xlibs-dev |
| 18:25.07 | galactic | br24 install |
| 18:25.13 | wasabi | Hmm, anybody know how to make cdrecord work with the new 2.6 burner stuff? |
| 18:25.44 | galactic | command not found for modconf |
| 18:25.46 | tola | greycat: thanks!! |
| 18:25.47 | greycat | wasabi: i think you use 'dev=ATAPI:hdc' or similar |
| 18:26.04 | greycat | galactic: are you root? |
| 18:26.09 | galactic | not now |
| 18:26.10 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: can you type lsmod and msg me the results |
| 18:26.18 | galactic | not root while on IRC |
| 18:26.18 | greycat | galactic: su to root in order to run modconf |
| 18:26.20 | Cheethoe | Goldfish7 : I compiled it into the kernel |
| 18:26.22 | galactic | bad juju |
| 18:26.25 | greycat | galactic: in another window |
| 18:26.26 | Cheethoe | I don't use modules for it |
| 18:26.26 | Mave_ | wasabi: dev=/dev/hdc or dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 18:26.33 | wasabi | ahh |
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| 18:27.03 | Mave_ | wasabi: then dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 18:27.13 | fairburn | hey fellas |
| 18:27.18 | nihal | pe |
| 18:27.23 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: ahh I see, where did you find INPUT and USB_HID in the config? |
| 18:27.33 | Cheethoe | Goldfish7 : do you use menuconfig? |
| 18:27.54 | pato | how can i make hdparm enable dma and multicount when the pc boot? |
| 18:28.15 | galactic | What do you mean by another window? |
| 18:28.19 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: yep |
| 18:28.24 | Cheethoe | it's under device drivers |
| 18:28.37 | Cheethoe | -> Input device support |
| 18:28.50 | Cheethoe | and add support for mice too |
| 18:28.52 | Cheethoe | and then under USB |
| 18:29.02 | Cheethoe | USB support |
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| 18:29.21 | Cheethoe | there's HID support |
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| 18:29.30 | sgeigerbot | Slightly different question: How would one create the bitmap of Tux in the background of a bootup (like when when presses F2 in Morphix)? I have seen a linux kernel option that allows for a logo and I'm under the impression that this is the beer-touting Tux that I have seen many a time on system boot...but on morphix, if you press F2, you get dmesg messages scrolling *on top of* a very big tux that fills the whole screen... I |
| 18:29.30 | sgeigerbot | s that also a boot logo? |
| 18:29.39 | pato | how can i make hdparm enable dma and multicount when the pc boot? |
| 18:29.51 | tola | what's the name of the gtk dev package? I can't find it |
| 18:29.55 | Cheethoe | do full hid support and the HID input layer support |
| 18:30.03 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: ok |
| 18:30.18 | Cheethoe | and then use the device /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:30.37 | tommyj | anyone? how do I downgrade packages with apt? |
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| 18:30.57 | atrus | sgeigerbot: you're probably looking for the bootsplash kernel patch & utilities |
| 18:31.26 | qtio | does anyone know if the ASUS cusi-fx is a decent motherboard? |
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| 18:31.46 | tola | When I try to compile mplayer with a gui from cvs I get "Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found)." - what is the name of this package so I can dowload it, I can't find it. |
| 18:31.53 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: Under Device Drivers -> Input devices I only See "Mice" I don't see INPUT or inputcore |
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| 18:32.29 | Cheethoe | select mice |
| 18:32.35 | aw | pato: install hwtools and edit /etc/init.d/hwtools |
| 18:32.45 | greycat | tola: libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 18:32.57 | galactic | where do I find the sb module, and how do I install it? |
| 18:33.06 | greycat | galactic: try "modprobe sb" as root |
| 18:33.21 | Cheethoe | and after you configure make sure your .config has CONFIG_INPUT=y |
| 18:33.24 | galactic | ok |
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| 18:34.18 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: Under USB Support I enabled Full HID support and EHCI and UHCI support, I don't beleive I need OHCI support because my motherboard is intel and uses the NEC chip |
| 18:34.24 | lotzabako | ba al daki inork euskaraz ? |
| 18:34.35 | galactic | yep I have done that as root before and it said module not found |
| 18:34.42 | Cheethoe | yeah so dont use ohci |
| 18:34.47 | greycat | galactic: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:35.27 | galactic | greycat: 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 18:35.30 | tola | greycat: thanks |
| 18:35.46 | greycat | galactic: are you sure it says "module not found"? Is it really "No such device"? |
| 18:36.00 | tommyj | noone knows how to downgrade packages? |
| 18:36.06 | greycat | tommyj: dpkg -i |
| 18:36.15 | galactic | greycat: Sorry, words to that effect I forgot the exact quote |
| 18:36.17 | lotzabako | horrela jarraitzen baldin baduzue aserretu egingo naiz ... baian benetan ... |
| 18:36.25 | motaba | tommyj: maybe this message could give you a hint http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-May/006986.html |
| 18:36.26 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: ok I'm compiling a new kernel, hopefully this all works |
| 18:36.42 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: just a sec |
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| 18:37.01 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: You can reverse an apt-get upgrade/update for a package? Try to install the previous version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ However, to downgrade the whole dist--well, that...I don't think is practical. |
| 18:37.03 | greycat | galactic: what is the *exact* sound card you have? |
| 18:37.13 | galactic | greycat: find ./ -name sb -print doesn't locate it |
| 18:37.23 | sgeigerbot | s/?/:/g |
| 18:37.24 | greycat | galactic: ./ only searches from the current directory |
| 18:37.34 | tommyj | greycat, motaba, sgeigerbot: thanks :) |
| 18:37.39 | greycat | galactic: also, the file name will be sb.o and not sb |
| 18:37.43 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: I just want to downgrade alsa... |
| 18:37.44 | galactic | greycat: don't know, but a howto for this machine says to modprobe the sb |
| 18:37.46 | fairburn | hey i find tommy , alex .. wow |
| 18:37.58 | greycat | galactic: does "lspci | grep audio" return any lines? |
| 18:38.05 | galactic | greycat: with the memory and IRqs |
| 18:38.13 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: May the Force be with you. |
| 18:38.24 | Justin_ | greycat: sb=isa mostly |
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| 18:38.28 | galactic | greycat: nope |
| 18:38.29 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: :P |
| 18:38.47 | greycat | galactic: try "modprobe sb" once again, as root, and tell us the exact error (if any) |
| 18:39.12 | greycat | Justin_: yes, I'm trying to determine whether he has an ISA or PCI card |
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| 18:39.25 | motaba | i have a debian client mounting a nfs export from an OpenBSD system and /var/mail is reported as read-only by mutt even though /etc/mtab show it is mounted rw |
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| 18:39.31 | galactic | greycat: I'm in kde now, how can i keep this running, and get to root? |
| 18:39.31 | lotzabako | haizue, babuak alzeate? |
| 18:39.40 | greycat | galactic: type "su" in a terminal window |
| 18:39.57 | dbron | Anyone know of a good web based file manager? Maybe something that would grant access to a doc based on htaccess auth? |
| 18:39.58 | nocturnal | i know about ifconfig but i can't find where to permanently change my ip on debian?! and if hostname isn't permanent then i'd need that file name to |
| 18:40.09 | greycat | nocturnal: /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:40.14 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: what if I can't find the package in my apt cache nor the online archives? |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | nocturnal: /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 18:40.23 | greycat | nocturnal: for the hostname, /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 18:40.45 | nocturnal | ya i changed hostname but that was just the hostname not the domain |
| 18:41.03 | greycat | nocturnal: for the domain, /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:41.06 | motaba | i thing this problem is related with debian nfslock but i didn't find nice documentation to make tests, someone have some hint about this nfs(lock) problems... |
| 18:41.11 | nocturnal | ok ya thanks i found it |
| 18:41.17 | Orhad2 | ok, i just installed gnome-core, now how do i try and start it ? |
| 18:41.28 | chris|hatesapple | Orhad2: gnome-session |
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| 18:41.30 | todd_ | I'm having trouble compiling a working kernel... I can't get the network to work. I have compiled it all several times successfully, but when I boot with it, the network doesn't work. |
| 18:41.40 | Orhad2 | chris command not found |
| 18:41.41 | todd_ | I'm using kernel 2.4.23 |
| 18:41.45 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: If you upgraded, the package should still be on your system...unless you did apt-get clean. you *could* try getting it from a backup (*clears throat*)...or you could find the package in one of the older online repositories....but I canj't reall where... |
| 18:41.48 | greycat | todd_: be more specific -- what's the problem? |
| 18:41.51 | Misirlou | test |
| 18:41.51 | DevilX | test(); failed! please check code... |
| 18:41.54 | orchid | todd_: dhcp? |
| 18:41.56 | sgeigerbot | greycat: do you recall where to get older Debian packages? |
| 18:42.02 | greycat | sgeigerbot: archive(s).debian.org |
| 18:42.06 | todd_ | orchid: yes |
| 18:42.27 | galactic | greycat: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/modules.dep |
| 18:42.28 | sgeigerbot | ~sdn |
| 18:42.30 | | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages |
| 18:42.35 | greycat | galactic: that's the only message you get? |
| 18:42.37 | sgeigerbot | greycat: what about snapshot? |
| 18:42.38 | todd_ | greycat: I boot and the network doesn't work. I have SiS integrated eitehr net |
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| 18:42.45 | galactic | Yep |
| 18:42.48 | todd_ | *eithernet |
| 18:42.49 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: well, it seems I have not had the version of the package I want to downgrade installed on my system, so it's not in my cache. I cannot find it in the repository either... |
| 18:42.57 | galactic | greycat with just modprobe sb |
| 18:42.58 | Orhad2 | chris|hatesapple even startx doesn't work |
| 18:43.01 | greycat | todd_: what does "network doesn't work" mean? Does modprobe fail to load the driver? What errors show up in dmesg? |
| 18:43.04 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: try snapshot. |
| 18:43.13 | greycat | galactic: run "lsmod" and see if it's successfully loaded. |
| 18:43.20 | galactic | greycat: I'll try modprobe with the memory and irqs and bee back |
| 18:43.22 | greycat | galactic: the "more recent" message can be ignored in most cases |
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| 18:43.37 | todd_ | greycat: i'm n00b, but when I boot up, I can't ping anything or use the internet |
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| 18:43.59 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: where? |
| 18:44.00 | chris|hatesapple | Orhad2: You did install xfree86, right? |
| 18:44.01 | greycat | todd_: run dmesg and see if there are errors. Check "lsmod" to see if your driver is loaded as a module. Attempt to load it manually with modprobe,. |
| 18:44.04 | galactic | greycat: sb is in lsmod ???? |
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| 18:44.21 | greycat | galactic: was that a question or a statement? |
| 18:44.29 | galactic | greycat: statement |
| 18:44.31 | Orhad2 | chris|hatesapple i think so, when i installed gnome-core i thought i saw it, how can i be sure ? |
| 18:44.37 | nocturnal_ | where can i control whick services start at boot and so on ? |
| 18:44.38 | greycat | galactic: then it worked |
| 18:44.43 | greycat | nocturnal_: man update-rc.d |
| 18:44.48 | todd_ | greycat: I didn't compile it as a module. |
| 18:44.51 | greycat | nocturnal_: see also "man inetd.conf" |
| 18:44.51 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages |
| 18:44.58 | greycat | todd_: then dmesg is your only friend |
| 18:45.02 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: thanks alot :) |
| 18:45.05 | nocturnal_ | thank you greycat |
| 18:45.08 | galactic | greycat: um, ok, :) how do I test it? |
| 18:45.08 | DevilX | test(it?); failed! please check code... |
| 18:45.36 | fairburn | hmm |
| 18:45.45 | greycat | galactic: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp (should make a horrid noise) |
| 18:45.51 | galactic | :) |
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| 18:47.15 | sgeigerbot | greycat: That's an opinion... |
| 18:47.16 | galactic | greycat: it worked!!! now will I have to do "modprobe sb" every time I boot up? |
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| 18:47.32 | sgeigerbot | galactic: No. Put it into /etc/modules |
| 18:47.33 | greycat | galactic: edit the /etc/modules file and put "sb" (no quotes) on a line at the end of the file |
| 18:47.54 | sgeigerbot | greycat: why at the end? |
| 18:47.57 | galactic | greycat: will do THANKS!! |
| 18:48.04 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I'm in extreme-newbie-advice mode. |
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| 18:48.40 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Btw, did you see the solution to my hair-on-fire mode issue.... |
| 18:48.40 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: The new kernel is finished but the mouse still doesn't work |
| 18:48.49 | greycat | sgeigerbot: apt-get install water? |
| 18:49.05 | Cheethoe | Goldfish7 : did it find your mouse though? |
| 18:49.07 | Cheethoe | look in dmesg |
| 18:49.13 | galactic | greycat: thanks again for your help CYA |
| 18:49.18 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Well, that looks as if it would work, but bob2 came up with something that helped: M-x unfire-hair |
| 18:49.22 | fairburn | goldfish: well i guess u havent compiled in the mouse drivers |
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| 18:49.43 | fairburn | goldfish7: which mouse are u using? |
| 18:50.00 | sgeigerbot | greycat: how do you know such things? |
| 18:50.14 | greycat | sgeigerbot: which things? |
| 18:50.34 | sgeigerbot | greycat: was your hair ever on fire? Your depth of knowledge is startling. |
| 18:50.43 | nocturnal_ | stuff like rpc are on at boot but in inetd.conf they are commented out |
| 18:50.53 | Goldfish7 | cheethoe: I see where it loaded the USB drivers but it said nothing about my mouse |
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| 18:50.55 | nocturnal_ | i want them closed |
| 18:51.06 | greycat | ~closing ports |
| 18:51.07 | | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 18:51.07 | Goldfish7 | fairburn: it's a Microsoft Intellimouse explorer |
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| 18:51.24 | GomoX | hahaha great factoid |
| 18:51.46 | sgeigerbot | greycat: why are you in for a Hell of a time? That seems pretty simple to me... |
| 18:51.46 | mobtown | anyone wanna help a newbie to debian make his wireless pci card go? hehehe |
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| 18:51.51 | hckz4u | theres a creepy number of people in here |
| 18:51.53 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: it seems no archive has the libasound2-0.9.7 package! |
| 18:52.02 | greycat | sgeigerbot: well, he's right over there. Go help him then. |
| 18:52.13 | xel | Hey, how can I did a mistake, how I can remove a patch from the kernel? |
| 18:52.18 | nocturnal_ | hey! |
| 18:52.20 | nocturnal_ | :( |
| 18:52.33 | xel | ops.. |
| 18:52.36 | nocturnal_ | i don't get it i've never had rpcbind open on a linux server before |
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| 18:52.42 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: is the detected usb devices listed somewhere in /proc ? |
| 18:52.47 | xel | Hey, I did a mistake, how I can remove a patch from the kernel? |
| 18:53.07 | nocturnal_ | rmmod |
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| 18:53.17 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: sorry...no idea then. |
| 18:53.19 | greycat | xel: man patch |
| 18:53.23 | qtio | pick me |
| 18:53.28 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: ok, thanks anyway |
| 18:53.30 | GomoX | xel: wget http://www.kernel.org/kernel/2.4/linux-2.4.23.tar.bz2 |
| 18:53.31 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: I guess backups would have been handy. |
| 18:53.33 | mobtown | i'm a newbie! i'm a newbie!!! lol somebody pick me:-P |
| 18:53.49 | greycat | ~fix mobtown |
| 18:53.53 | | ACTION takes mobtown to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 18:53.53 | sgeigerbot | ~pick on mobtown |
| 18:53.54 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: there is no backup :P |
| 18:54.08 | sgeigerbot | ~tell tommyj about the subjunctive |
| 18:54.24 | mobtown | hey now... i don't need any special visits... just a solution to my wireless pci card woes...lol |
| 18:54.35 | sgeigerbot | mobtown: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 18:54.53 | sgeigerbot | mobtown: If you ask a question, you might get an answer. |
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| 18:55.02 | mobtown | okay... just installed debian and i have a linksys wmp11 pci wireless network card... |
| 18:55.14 | Orhad2 | is there a way to re-run the configuration for xserver ? |
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| 18:55.33 | GomoX | xel: just kidding |
| 18:55.37 | mobtown | i have not been able to find any useful information to get it up and running... any ideas? |
| 18:55.39 | xel | GomoX: eheh :) |
| 18:55.40 | sgeigerbot | mobtown: that's not a question. try putting questions on the same line so that people can read your question all at once. |
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| 18:55.58 | amphi | Orhad2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:55.58 | sgeigerbot | mobtown: What have you tried? |
| 18:56.06 | grew | mobtown: depending on that version of the wmp11 you have, it may(probably) not work in linux at all |
| 18:56.06 | sgeigerbot | mobtown: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:56.10 | Orhad2 | thanks amphi, lemme try that |
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| 18:56.44 | grew | mobtown: see www.linux-wlan.org |
| 18:56.45 | mobtown | okay then... anyone know how to make a wireless pci card, linksys wmp11, work on debian? |
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| 18:57.08 | Orhad2 | how can i find my video card's bus identifier ? |
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| 18:57.35 | sgeigerbot | After installing the 2.6.0 kernel my system *may* be a little slower for desktop alls...and the mouse pointer definitely does not move as smoothly as before...what are some things to make this a more responsive desktop system system? -- is there an FAQ on that? I swear I choose |
| 18:57.52 | sgeigerbot | ..the desktop optimizing options I saw...but still the slow performance... any idea? |
| 18:58.05 | Goldfish7 | Cheethoe: what do you have in your XF86Config-4 file for your mouse? |
| 18:58.27 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: dmesg or lspci probably |
| 18:58.31 | amphi | Orhad2: you don't need that unless you have more than one video card |
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| 18:59.03 | nocturnal_ | i have runlevel 2 configured but when i look in rc2.d i can't find rpc which is on and needs to be shut down |
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| 18:59.28 | Cha0S_ | hmm.. anyone expiriencing trouble with php4 on unstable ? |
| 18:59.31 | mobtown | i've already viewed the wlan project page... nothing there is specific to my pci card... |
| 18:59.42 | Orhad2 | amphi, sgeigerbot, here's the thing, when i install debian woody using tasksel everything works (kde/gnome) albeitvery old versions |
| 18:59.51 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: General advice: Looking for commands to use to get a list of your hardware and what device it uses? Look into /proc directory. Also check out lspci,dmesg,pnpdump,cardctl,isapnpdump |
| 18:59.54 | Orhad2 | now i've moved to sarge, and i can't get xfree86 running |
| 18:59.55 | ck | mobtown, try google |
| 19:00.23 | jhair | sgeigerbot: preemption activated? |
| 19:00.24 | amphi | Orhad2: the problem is with X or kde/gnome ? |
| 19:00.24 | jhair | $ grep -i pree .config |
| 19:00.25 | modconf | jhair: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:00.25 | jhair | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 19:00.35 | asac_ | i have a problem booting from network. I produced an initrd script, but get the msg that he is not able to create initial console. Then: kernel-panic! Anyone has managed a network boot? |
| 19:00.38 | Orhad2 | amphi aren't they one and the same ? |
| 19:00.47 | Web52|Doochy | HI |
| 19:00.48 | Web52|Doochy | !!! |
| 19:00.52 | amphi | Orhad2: no, the latter run on tip of the former |
| 19:00.55 | amphi | *top |
| 19:00.57 | greycat | Orhad2: no, KDE is an X client program just like xeyes. Just much, much bigger. |
| 19:01.00 | sgeigerbot | jhair: sorry...I don't understand |
| 19:01.17 | greycat | Orhad2: tell us exactly what the problem is |
| 19:01.18 | Orhad2 | well the message I get specifically is "I cannot start the X server..." |
| 19:01.33 | greycat | Orhad2: check /var/log/XFree86.log.0 for more details then |
| 19:01.41 | Orhad2 | "I cannot start the X server (your graphicalinterface)...." |
| 19:01.41 | greycat | or however that file's spelled |
| 19:01.51 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: Very Easy X Setup (video, mouse, keyboard): Use Knoppix to boot your machine and then do: "sudo su; mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt; mv /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4-backup-on`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p`; cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4; umount /mnt; reboot" ...and take the CD out before you reboot. ;-) |
| 19:01.52 | jhair | sgeigerbot: activate the preemtible kernel option in the 2.6 kernel configuration should improve performance |
| 19:02.07 | mobtown | i have googled so much that my head is swimming... believe me... i have looked everywhere... the best i have found is how to set up /etc/network/interfaces to work with the card, but that was for knoppix, and i am not sure it will work under debian... |
| 19:02.37 | jhair | s/preemtible/reemptible |
| 19:02.37 | sgeigerbot | jhair: I think that's the option that I selected. Let me check... I have CONFIG_PREEMPT=y ...is that what you mean? |
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| 19:02.56 | Orhad2 | XF86Config-4 is a file that has config info for XSERVER, and I can copy the one from knoppix to my debian one ? |
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| 19:03.34 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: Not only can you, but I just gave you the instructions to do it. |
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| 19:04.00 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: It *can* work...but perhaps not in every case... |
| 19:04.11 | jhair | sgeigerbot: that's fine, hm. |
| 19:04.24 | Orhad2 | greycat xfree86.0.log is 700 lines |
| 19:04.24 | sgeigerbot | Orhad2: at the very least, you can use the config to get some ideas on which settings to use... |
| 19:04.26 | Orhad2 | hehe |
| 19:04.38 | amphi | Orhad2: start from the end |
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| 19:05.29 | Orhad2 | i see this... |
| 19:05.31 | mobtown | oh how i need the help of my linux guru... lol... but he is probably passed out drunk in japan right now... |
| 19:05.31 | greycat | finding the useful parts of log files is a necessary Unix administration skill |
| 19:05.42 | buht | ok i got cups working... but when i try a simple lp -d /dev/lp0 i get this error.... lp: unable to print file: client-error-not-found .... however test prints from cups work fine ?!?!? any ideas.. i tried googling |
| 19:05.42 | DevilX | test(prints from cups work fine ?!?!? any ideas.. i tried googling); failed! please check code... |
| 19:05.48 | Orhad2 | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 19:05.52 | qtio | mobtown such is the way with linux gurus |
| 19:05.58 | greycat | Orhad2: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 19:06.01 | greycat | Orhad2: /msg apt fixed |
| 19:06.07 | Justin_ | buht: lp file |
| 19:06.13 | mobtown | yes yes... especially ones spending ten months in japan... the drinking comes naturally... |
| 19:06.33 | buht | Justin_ : nice that worked... and i was using examples from cups documentation |
| 19:06.46 | buht | Justin_ : guess im all set now... and can share my printer then huh? |
| 19:06.55 | Justin_ | buht: why not? |
| 19:07.01 | Mave_ | mobtown: you're right. my cousing had drinking problem in japan too |
| 19:07.05 | Orhad2 | greycat that package doesn't exist |
| 19:07.15 | buht | Justin_ : thanks for straightening me out |
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| 19:07.25 | greycat | Orhad2: apt-setup |
| 19:07.33 | mobtown | lol... well i don't think it has yet become a problem... zelda addiction is a more pressing concern at the moment...lol |
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| 19:08.01 | Orhad2 | greycat i'm using sarge btw |
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| 19:08.51 | Orhad2 | strange, apt-get install x-window-system-core doesn't work, but i found that package in dselect |
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| 19:11.02 | betrieb | any experience with the modconf patch for kernel 2.6? |
| 19:12.22 | dyspnic | is anyone using opera? |
| 19:12.40 | DevilX | jupp |
| 19:12.42 | Orhad2 | does one have to choose locales ? |
| 19:12.43 | tarzeauTS | i'm using TalkSoup :) |
| 19:12.45 | Orhad2 | i think i skipped that |
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| 19:13.21 | greycat | Orhad2: if you like English, you're fine |
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| 19:13.40 | spuer | Ah....I hate ENglish |
| 19:13.49 | sharth | engrish? :p |
| 19:13.52 | greycat | que lastima |
| 19:14.04 | mobtown | me roves the engrish:-P |
| 19:14.06 | Orhad2 | shouldn't one at the very least choose en_US ? |
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| 19:14.21 | spuer | I use Canadian |
| 19:14.21 | Orhad2 | en_us ISO etc .... |
| 19:14.27 | greycat | Orhad2: if you know enough to ask that then you probably should, yes |
| 19:15.13 | mod_bitch | i installed woody with a net install, then upgraded it to testing (by changing the sources.list and apt-get upgrade). i'd like to install gnome 2.4 or kde 3.2, which i assume is in unstable (testing has 1.4 and 2.2.2, respectively).. how do i do that? |
| 19:15.15 | Orhad2 | greycat please don't overestimate what I know, I ask questions that are smarter than I am :P |
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| 19:15.32 | greycat | Orhad2: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:16.10 | amphi | Orhad2: you probably want LC_COLLATE=C though |
| 19:16.27 | test1 | do u know any good and not expenseve dedicated servers with debian? |
| 19:16.41 | Orhad2 | whats LC_Collate=c ? |
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| 19:16.55 | songpenguin | Hi, rebuilding the kernel and just wanted to conferm that the CMD640 and RZ1000 that the kernel provides bugfixes for are IDE controllers that are visible via lspci? thanks |
| 19:17.05 | mod_bitch | i did add an unstable source, and try to do 'apt-get install gnome/unstable' but it gives me dependency problems, and won't resolve them, and then says "sorry, broken packages" |
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| 19:17.12 | SilverWolf__ | What is the channel for the small install cds? |
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| 19:17.35 | arca | do u know any good and not expenseve dedicated servers with debian? |
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| 19:17.48 | abrotman | SilverWolf__: debian-boot? |
| 19:17.59 | mod_bitch | arca theres always localhost |
| 19:18.12 | arca | u mean my own pc |
| 19:18.14 | mod_bitch | :) |
| 19:18.20 | ramb0 | I need to get gmodule support into glib but do not want to loose the deb pkg mgmt of my gnome system...what to do? |
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| 19:18.43 | robink | Should I use debian's Nvidia driver package or download from nvidia? |
| 19:18.50 | arca | but I push an ircd and a live broadcast I dont have a good connection for that mod_bitch |
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| 19:19.05 | arca | thats why im looking for a good and not expenseve dedicated servers with debian? |
| 19:19.12 | robink | I know this is an 'nvidia driver' question, but I doubt the #nvidia folks know about debian specifically. |
| 19:19.21 | greycat | ramb0: vi /etc/apt/sources.list (if needed); apt-get build-dep libglib1.2-dev; apt-get source libglib1.2-dev; cd libglib<tab>; vi debian/rules; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us; cd .. |
| 19:19.39 | SilverWolf__ | abrotman thanks |
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| 19:20.11 | Orhad2 | is there a meta package for gnome ? |
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| 19:20.30 | Orhad2 | it seems like installing one package after another goes contrary to apt |
| 19:20.52 | greycat | ~info gnome sarge |
| 19:20.59 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:21.02 | greycat | ~info gnome sid |
| 19:21.23 | greycat | nice version number. |
| 19:21.28 | benjy_price | ~info xfree woody |
| 19:21.37 | greycat | benjy_price: it must be an exact package name |
| 19:21.37 | Orhad2 | ~info gnome sarge |
| 19:21.55 | Orhad2 | Package 'gnome' does not exist. |
| 19:22.09 | benjy_price | ~info dillo woody |
| 19:22.17 | Orhad2 | ~info gnome woody |
| 19:22.28 | greycat | orhad2: it never existed in woody |
| 19:22.29 | arca | ok thanks |
| 19:22.33 | arca | great help |
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| 19:22.44 | Orhad2 | gnome doesn't exist in woody ? |
| 19:22.45 | greycat | Orhad2: with woody, the intention was that one would use tasksel |
| 19:23.00 | greycat | Orhad2: "gnome" the package doesn't exist in woody. GNOME the desktop environment does, as a set of packages. |
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| 19:23.58 | cyberyo | your usb key are ok with 2.6 ? |
| 19:24.02 | Orhad2 | well i was hoping for a meta package, because i'm just installing things that i can find |
| 19:24.43 | tempo | what is tldp.org built on? nuke? |
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| 19:24.44 | Orhad2 | i got gdm running, and i saw the gnome 4.2 splash screen for a second... but now i get some error about OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon |
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| 19:26.29 | abrotman | Orhad2: i usually install something like galeon/gimp as well as gnome-session.gdm.gnome-panel.gnome-applets |
| 19:26.42 | abrotman | those are supposed to be , |
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| 19:27.11 | Orhad2 | i'm probably just missing control panel apples and stuff like abrotman said |
| 19:27.16 | Orhad2 | but its annoying to have to install each one |
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| 19:27.20 | mrkrtl | How do I tell what kernel I am using? |
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| 19:27.52 | robink | mrkrtl: uname -r |
| 19:28.16 | mrkrtl | Thanks robink! |
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| 19:29.26 | tarzeau | if a font is say "Developed by a.b.c, Public Domain." is that dfsg compliant? |
| 19:29.44 | docelic | howdy tarzeau |
| 19:29.53 | caphuso | tarzeau: public domain is |
| 19:29.58 | bipolar | is usbmgr or hotplug the prefered daemon to use for usb devices? |
| 19:30.05 | tarzeau | docelic: hey, how are you? |
| 19:30.21 | docelic | tarzeau, all fine, thanks |
| 19:30.57 | tarzeau | caphuso: great, thank you |
| 19:31.20 | tarzeau | caphuso: http://www.knuddel.org/Downloads/Fonts/ i want to package these |
| 19:31.23 | tarzeau | caphuso: for GNUstep |
| 19:32.03 | robink | How do I up my vertical refresh rate w/ XF86 4.x? |
| 19:32.16 | tarzeau | robink: xvidtune ? |
| 19:32.31 | ramb0 | greycat: might as well ask you ... what is the source URI like for what I need to do... is there stable unstable etc. in source URI? |
| 19:32.37 | azreal | robink: use a hammer |
| 19:32.52 | greycat | ~+source |
| 19:32.54 | | hmm... source is http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or on SF http://blootbot.sf.net/ |
| 19:32.59 | greycat | what the *fuck*? |
| 19:33.16 | tarzeau | greycat: apt went crazy, so did dpkg |
| 19:33.21 | greycat | I see that.. :( |
| 19:33.28 | tarzeau | i have no idea what happened to *both*! |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | ramb0: add a deb-src line to your sources.list |
| 19:33.40 | greycat | tarzeau: apt lost its mind a long time ago |
| 19:33.44 | tarzeau | ramb0: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:33.50 | greycat | dpkg's fall from normalcy is quite recent |
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| 19:34.39 | ramb0 | tarzeau: :) thnx |
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| 19:34.58 | ramb0 | greycat: you are cool as usual have a good new year |
| 19:34.59 | tarzeau | ramb0: watch out, this is sidlandia, there be dragons |
| 19:35.16 | robink | tarzeau: It gives me a grave warning...I'm not sure i should be messing around with it |
| 19:35.34 | tarzeau | robink: what, "It"? |
| 19:35.59 | robink | tarzeau: it being xvidtune in this case |
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| 19:37.31 | robink | tarzeau: xvidtune in this case only gives me options for resizing/positioning the screen anyway. |
| 19:37.31 | infernix | does anyone know of a mirror for http://people.debian.org/~blade/ - i am in desperate need of some of his boot floppies |
| 19:37.37 | infernix | apt blade? |
| 19:37.39 | | Broad Language Aided Document Environment. URL: http://www.thestuff.net/bob/projects/blade/ |
| 19:37.43 | infernix | ugh |
| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | infernix: did you try ask blade@debian.org ? |
| 19:37.56 | azreal | infernix: yes |
| 19:38.02 | azreal | infernix: sec |
| 19:38.14 | qtio | does anyone know if the ASUS cusi-fx is a decent motherboard? |
| 19:38.15 | infernix | no i rather not bother them for silly stuff like this |
| 19:38.32 | infernix | they must be busy and besides its holiday time so :) |
| 19:39.00 | Mave_ | holiday time for geeks mean more computer |
| 19:39.03 | azreal | infernix: at least for me, about a week ago, i was able to get what i needed from here: www.archive.org |
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| 19:39.29 | ljlane | infernix: ~/blade is up |
| 19:39.40 | synic_ | can anyone help with a linksys wpc11 problem? |
| 19:39.43 | azreal | infernix: just stick http://people.debian.org/~blade in the wayback machine, and voila, archived shit from his pages. |
| 19:39.50 | greycat | ljlane: woot! |
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| 19:39.52 | infernix | ljilane: the files are not there |
| 19:39.53 | ljlane | hrmmm.. iso dir down |
| 19:39.57 | mobtown | qtio: i liked my ASUS board until i flashed the bios and couldn't get it back... lol |
| 19:40.01 | greycat | ljlane: un-woot! |
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| 19:40.26 | qtio | mobtown: i think this one is one of the lower end all inwonder integrated boards |
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| 19:41.02 | closcadura | hello |
| 19:41.09 | mobtown | qtio: ah... mine was one of the mid-level boards... |
| 19:41.14 | qtio | helo |
| 19:41.18 | songpenguin | msg/ closcadura hello |
| 19:41.28 | michel__ | good morning everybody! |
| 19:41.30 | docelic | lol |
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| 19:41.37 | closcadura | is it possible to get a module installed automatically when trying to mount a device ?, for example: automatically installing sbp2 when I do "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/" |
| 19:41.38 | Mave_ | michel__: good evening |
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| 19:41.51 | Orhad2 | good afternoon michel |
| 19:41.54 | Mave_ | closcadura: install or load ? |
| 19:41.58 | songpenguin | closcadura: sure |
| 19:42.00 | closcadura | load |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | closcadura: uh... well, in general, you'd add an alias for block-major-XXX |
| 19:42.03 | closcadura | :-P |
| 19:42.04 | moberry | modconf was updated to work with 2.6 modules |
| 19:42.04 | modconf | moberry: are you smoking crack? |
| 19:42.06 | schweeb | closcadura: I think you can alias it to the major |
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| 19:42.33 | infernix | hrmm |
| 19:42.36 | songpenguin | closcadura: what kind of device? |
| 19:42.48 | infernix | does anyone know any other boot floppies with 2.4.20 or higher and raidtools |
| 19:42.53 | moberry | modconf: no |
| 19:42.53 | modconf | No Offense |
| 19:42.53 | closcadura | I've added alias char-major-8 sbp2 to modules.config but # mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod/ |
| 19:42.53 | closcadura | mount: /dev/sda2 is not a valid block device |
| 19:42.56 | infernix | the archive.org are the old ones |
| 19:42.57 | greycat | songpenguin: it sounds like a scsi-over-parport thingy |
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| 19:43.04 | azreal | modconf crack smoking you are |
| 19:43.05 | modconf | azreal: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 19:43.19 | closcadura | songpenguin: an iPod, which it's just a harddrive through firewire |
| 19:43.27 | songpenguin | greycat: I have one of those, it's a western digital from 20 years ogo or something |
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| 19:43.48 | greycat | songpenguin: ok, I was just guessing... "bp" reminded me of "Backpack" which was a somewhat-popular parport CD-ROM drive |
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| 19:43.54 | songpenguin | closcadura: I have one of those, been trying to figure out how to get it working |
| 19:44.08 | songpenguin | greycat: oh |
| 19:44.40 | closcadura | is block-major the same as char-major ? |
| 19:44.46 | SilverWolf__ | The silicon harddisk driver in the kernel only see the disks in psycical, when i have made a raid array of two disks, how can i then get them to function in one with the silicon driver? |
| 19:44.48 | greycat | closcadura: I thought so :( |
| 19:44.52 | schweeb | no, closcadura |
| 19:44.52 | ramb0 | OK where do the source pkgs go when downloaded? |
| 19:44.53 | azreal | yippeee! i get to go whiz into a cup while someone watches in about an hour :) |
| 19:45.04 | songpenguin | closcadura: what do you do, put mp3's on the HD and then it runs? |
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| 19:45.10 | ramb0 | ~+sources |
| 19:45.13 | | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 19:45.15 | closcadura | songpenguin: yep |
| 19:45.19 | qtio | azreal i love that too |
| 19:45.22 | songpenguin | closcadura: cool |
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| 19:45.48 | azreal | qtio: hey, someone wants my pee. :) |
| 19:45.49 | closcadura | schweeb: what's the difference ? |
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| 19:46.34 | xukun | how can I remove all the packages that I don.t need after full installation of debian |
| 19:46.58 | Mave_ | full installation ? :) |
| 19:47.00 | azreal | xukun: use dselect and purge the stuff you dont want |
| 19:47.12 | docelic | xukun, debfoster, deborphan |
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| 19:47.26 | SilverWolf__ | the silicon driver just catch it as two harddrives. even when i have the disk setup as a striped disk array |
| 19:48.18 | xukun | which one guys, I,m new in this. A good howto would very very nice |
| 19:48.29 | azreal | xukun: dselect |
| 19:48.35 | amphi | azreal: huh? some primitive ritual? |
| 19:48.40 | chris|hatesapple | I don't wish dselect or tasksel on anyone |
| 19:48.40 | azreal | xukun: you should learn how to use it anyways |
| 19:48.41 | Mave_ | docelic: is it possible to use multiple reference points in packages history with debfoster ? |
| 19:48.42 | bipolar | is there a way to tell hotplug to use a specific device file for a usb memory device when it matches a vendor/product ID? |
| 19:48.42 | chris|hatesapple | That's just mean |
| 19:48.48 | LoRez | xukun: moderate application of both |
| 19:48.53 | chris|hatesapple | Teach them dpkg, apt and debfoster |
| 19:49.08 | bancus | aptitude is the way to go |
| 19:49.12 | azreal | xukun: just type dselect, and read the built in help stuff |
| 19:49.24 | bancus | dselect is the devil's package manager |
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| 19:49.34 | bancus | actually, I don't think the devil would inflict such upon himself |
| 19:49.37 | chris|hatesapple | I never liked aptitude, but that's probably because I didn't bother learning the key configs |
| 19:49.39 | bancus | dselect is more jesus' style |
| 19:49.40 | Mave_ | ok someone had to say synaptic :) |
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| 19:49.46 | songpenguin | xukun: www.linuxhq.com has some rely great (and realy in depth) howto's and manuals |
| 19:49.53 | docelic | Mave_, no idea :) |
| 19:50.02 | bancus | the key configs? it's like using less |
| 19:50.12 | docelic | xukun, http://debguide.sarovar.org |
| 19:50.17 | azreal | dselect works fine |
| 19:50.18 | bancus | it's all pretty simple |
| 19:50.29 | songpenguin | xukun: might I recomend aptitude instead of dselect? |
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| 19:50.30 | schweeb | closcadura: block devices are drives and such, char devices are serial ports etc ... iirc |
| 19:50.46 | Mave_ | dselect has better UI than aptitude |
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| 19:50.54 | teknotus | You can't install specific versions of a package with dselect only the version that apt thinks is best. |
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| 19:51.17 | xukun | songpenguin, sure but this all confusing becouse eveybody have his/her own idea |
| 19:51.18 | ramb0 | I just apt-get source something but can't find sources in the working directory ... where is it? |
| 19:51.26 | closcadura | schweeb: I've tried with alias block-major-8-2 sbp2 in modules.config but mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod continues saying "not valid block device" |
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| 19:51.41 | closcadura | schweeb: shouldn't it work ? |
| 19:51.43 | songpenguin | xukun: are you new to linux in general? |
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| 19:51.55 | xukun | songpenguin, yes very very new |
| 19:52.07 | songpenguin | xukun: welcome abord |
| 19:52.13 | azreal | teknotus: dselect is meant to intelligently handle installing packages for those people who would likely fuck up there systems by installing other versions of something. |
| 19:52.24 | xukun | songpenguin, thanks I already like it |
| 19:53.02 | schweeb | closcadura: dunno, I don't mess with it too often, and I don't have anything I can really experiment with right now either |
| 19:53.04 | songpenguin | xukun: ok, what you need are some good recorces. I tried to do it with out help and it took me much longer than it should hae |
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| 19:53.35 | azreal | allright, im not eating anymore fucking beef! |
| 19:53.45 | azreal | this mad cow shit is freaking me out |
| 19:53.47 | teknotus | azreal dselect tries to shoot me in the foot when atptitude won't. For example dselect always wants to uninistall kde, aptitude will just decide to hold it back so that the dependencies arn't broken. |
| 19:54.12 | xukun | songpenguin, what is recorces, I think that is samething I should read??. where can I get it? |
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| 19:54.21 | songpenguin | xukun: I reccomend first of all download knoppix linux (it's not for installing, it's for getting a working computer when you manage to frag debian) |
| 19:54.29 | azreal | teknotus: it has its moments |
| 19:54.37 | songpenguin | xukun: I mean like this, or newsgrous |
| 19:54.43 | greycat | apt, test mark_ for mad cow disease |
| 19:54.46 | | Testing mark_ for mad cow disease... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 19:54.47 | xukun | songpenguin, I see |
| 19:54.55 | schweeb | teknotus: most people that I know have declared dselect nearly useless... rather use apt-get from the cmd line |
| 19:55.05 | greycat | apt, madcow |
| 19:55.08 | | moooooooheh hehehehe! |
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| 19:55.27 | xukun | songpenguin, I,m already using knoppix, but if tell peaple hier will just not help me? |
| 19:55.32 | donki | dselect is very useful for newbies like me |
| 19:55.36 | songpenguin | no |
| 19:55.53 | songpenguin | have you tried installing a linux on HD |
| 19:55.56 | azreal | what happened to umm, deity? |
| 19:56.10 | azreal | that was supposed to replace dselect i thought :-\ |
| 19:56.13 | oskie | "Shatner to Record Another Album" striking news! |
| 19:56.15 | xukun | songpenguin, I already installed on my hdd |
| 19:56.24 | schweeb | donki: not really... have you ever TRIED apt-get? you really onoly have to remember like 3 or 4 things |
| 19:56.41 | teknotus | azreal: aptitude won't install deb files from a directory unless you make a whole packages file, and add it to the sources.list where dselect will happily load them into it's database if I understand it correctly. |
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| 19:56.58 | schweeb | donki: apt-get install <pkgname>, apt-cache search <string>, apt-get remove <pkgname> |
| 19:56.59 | azreal | teknotus: hmm |
| 19:57.00 | donki | apt-get is ok, if you know what do you want to install alredy. But the dselect give you a big list of programs |
| 19:57.14 | tux-helper | i don't like dselect |
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| 19:57.23 | azreal | teknotus: ill have to take a loook at it, again, its been a long time |
| 19:57.39 | oskie | donki: true. how did you learn the keyboard combinations of dselect though? i think it's quite messy |
| 19:57.44 | schweeb | apt-cache search lets you look for programs, donki |
| 19:57.52 | songpenguin | xukun: knoppix on harddrive? |
| 19:57.57 | tux-helper | dselect install too much |
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| 19:58.14 | azreal | yeah, thats why i like dselect, i use it to browse and search, its what ive allways used, so its what i know |
| 19:58.14 | xukun | schweeb, let is say I want to remove everything about ISDN packages, first how would I found the name of the package so that I can remove it |
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| 19:58.23 | mobtown | and dselect is useless to a newbie like myself who cannot get online yet...lol |
| 19:58.30 | xukun | songpenguin, yes that is possible |
| 19:58.36 | schweeb | dpkg -l | grep isdn |
| 19:58.37 | dpkg | schweeb: no idea |
| 19:58.51 | songpenguin | xukun: first of all, knoppix is rather slow. |
| 19:58.57 | xukun | schweeb, thanks |
| 19:59.02 | schweeb | and apt-get supports wildcards too, if I remember right |
| 19:59.08 | xukun | songpenguin, realy |
| 19:59.10 | schweeb | apt-get remove *isdn* |
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| 19:59.13 | ntne | how do I get a hard drive to boot from an isa ide controller |
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| 19:59.21 | songpenguin | xukun: yeah, the kernel is realy large |
| 19:59.34 | songpenguin | xukun: how well do you know you're hardware? |
| 19:59.40 | cuse | Is there an "except" switch for 'apt-get upgrade'? I would like to upgrade, but keep some packages at its current version. |
| 19:59.42 | inomine | does anyone know how to get debian to force a module load during boot? |
| 19:59.55 | teknotus | xukun: knoppix can be installed to a hard drive by running knx-hdinstall, but I don't recommend it for a system that you want to work right. |
| 20:00.01 | Justin_ | songpenguin: what does the kernel being "really large" have to do with anything |
| 20:00.11 | xukun | songpenguin, I think enought, kaming from windows, so I know just bit |
| 20:00.17 | tux-helper | inomine: put it in /etc/modules |
| 20:00.20 | cuse | inomine: modconf |
| 20:00.33 | azreal | xukun: if you browse through dselect, everything is broken down into catergories, installed and unistalled, its easier to see what is available to remove than to install, the list would be small |
| 20:00.34 | songpenguin | Justin_: the larger the kernel the moe memory it takes the slower it runs |
| 20:00.39 | songpenguin | ok |
| 20:00.50 | Justin_ | songpenguin: uh, no |
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| 20:00.57 | songpenguin | xukun: you are under knoppix now? |
| 20:01.01 | xukun | azreal, thanks that sounds good |
| 20:01.04 | xukun | yes |
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| 20:01.09 | xukun | songpenguin, yes |
| 20:01.17 | donki | is anyone experienced with samba 3.0 ? |
| 20:01.17 | azreal | xukun: and if you sort them correctly, you can read about each package, and probably make it through the list in 30 minutes or so |
| 20:01.23 | teknotus | cuse: look up pin priorities in the apt howto. |
| 20:01.37 | schweeb | the kernel CAN take up extra memory, but it's not a huge deal, unless you're in a low memory environment |
| 20:01.41 | xukun | donki, I do just finished setting it up |
| 20:01.42 | songpenguin | xukun: run the commands lsmod and lspci and take down the information |
| 20:01.45 | schweeb | the speed differences are negligible |
| 20:01.58 | cuse | teknotus: i already know that, but its not what im looking for |
| 20:02.00 | inomine | /etc/modules does not exist and modconf only lets me load modules but there is no option to FORCE a load |
| 20:02.02 | songpenguin | xukun: that tells you what hardware is on the computer |
| 20:02.02 | xukun | songpenguin, yes and than?? |
| 20:02.02 | azreal | xukun: also youll notice they are prioritzed buy, required, important, etc. |
| 20:02.09 | xukun | songpenguin, ok |
| 20:02.12 | songpenguin | xukun: write it down |
| 20:02.17 | xukun | ok |
| 20:02.32 | schweeb | inomine: why would you want to force a load? |
| 20:02.57 | songpenguin | Justin_: my ultra small coustom kernel runs MUCH faster than the knoppix kernel and even faster than the debian kernel |
| 20:02.58 | greycat | inomine: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:03.28 | SilverWolf__ | Is there a way to get the silicon 3112 raid controller to act as one disk when have made a raid array of two disks in the system. The driver sees it as two disks no matter what |
| 20:03.45 | inomine | scweeb: i have an audio driver module that always complains during insertion and never loads unless I do insmod -f on it, I want to do this automagically during boot |
| 20:04.03 | schweeb | hrm |
| 20:04.14 | inomine | greycat: testing/unstable |
| 20:04.18 | songpenguin | xukun: do you have a friend who know linux well that can help you walk through installing debian? |
| 20:04.25 | Justin_ | 1008 /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17-reiserfs |
| 20:04.25 | Justin_ | 1180 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 |
| 20:04.34 | Justin_ | damn, bettetr go back to 2.2.17, since it will be "faster" |
| 20:04.37 | xukun | no |
| 20:04.40 | greycat | inomine: then you should be clever enough to create /etc/modules by hand |
| 20:05.04 | songpenguin | Justin_: no, reiserfs adds a serious performance boost |
| 20:05.04 | RainbowW | is there a howto for setting up audio under 2.6.0 with alsa? programs like xmms produce no output, but also don't complain about missing devices. |
| 20:05.14 | schweeb | inomine: how did you install, there should almost always be /etc/modules |
| 20:05.19 | Justin_ | songpenguin: its called SARCASM |
| 20:05.35 | Justin_ | songpenguin: just be quiet and stop talking about things you don't understand |
| 20:05.40 | songpenguin | Justin_: when I mean smaler I mean cutting all the junk that will never be used out |
| 20:05.50 | donki | i have problem with samba 3.0. I am hungarian, i use window98 clients with ISO8859-2 codepage, i installed that to debian also. I selected the iso8859-2 to unix, dos and display charset, but cant write accent characters to shared directory |
| 20:05.52 | infernix | apt 2.6? |
| 20:05.53 | | 2.6.0-test is there. Read Documentation/Changes. The announcement is at http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/13/259/index.html. Don't whine if your system breaks. Read http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, or and read http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html DON'T MAKE ME HURT YOU. a piece of M$ dogshit!, or Will be used and complained about by idiots. Unless you're a kernel developer, DON'T USE IT until 2.6.5 |
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| 20:05.57 | inomine | shweeb: my bad there is a modules file I was looking for a dir |
| 20:06.08 | betrieb | any experience with the modconf patch for kernel 2.6? |
| 20:06.08 | songpenguin | Justin_: knoppix has support for everything under the sun |
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| 20:06.15 | Justin_ | songpenguin: so? |
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| 20:06.27 | buht | ok something wiped my /etc/printcap and put a dot matrix entry in there... before i had my hp deskjet entry... there any utilities to automatically repopulate /etc/printcap with the cups loaded printers? |
| 20:06.37 | sprout_ | anyone know how to tell what IRQs are in use by device? |
| 20:06.45 | schweeb | betrieb: if you're usin 2.6, you really shouldn't have to use modconf |
| 20:06.48 | songpenguin | Justin_: so that's alot of bloat when you don't have half of the supported hardware |
| 20:06.58 | RainbowW | infernix: that's about as helpful as herpes. |
| 20:07.00 | schweeb | betrieb: just add things by hand |
| 20:07.01 | Justin_ | songpenguin: except that its not |
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| 20:07.07 | betrieb | schweeb: wht then? |
| 20:07.16 | schweeb | wht? |
| 20:07.22 | songpenguin | Justin_: last time I checked it is! |
| 20:07.24 | inomine | scweeb: can i just append -f after the module name? as I would have thought that would be passed to the module as a parameter rather than to insmod |
| 20:07.29 | infernix | RainbowW: looks like taht |
| 20:07.30 | schweeb | all modconf does is edit /etc/modules |
| 20:07.31 | betrieb | schweeb: what then:-) |
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| 20:07.47 | Justin_ | songpenguin: it never was |
| 20:07.53 | simonrvn | betrieb: if you still need to use modconf, you shouldn't be using 2.6.x |
| 20:08.02 | schweeb | inomine: does your irc client support tab nick completion? I would suggest using it |
| 20:08.07 | schweeb | simonrvn: my response too |
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| 20:08.17 | songpenguin | xukun: hanging on there? |
| 20:08.28 | simonrvn | schweeb: different angle :) |
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| 20:08.34 | inomine | schweeb: yeah it does :P |
| 20:08.51 | LoWang | hi, i have 3 hard drives connected to two add in PCI IDE controller cards, i can see two of the disks (/dev/hde and /dev/hdg) but I cannot see the last one /dev/hdi (tryin to fdisk it) even though it is recognized during startup |
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| 20:09.59 | betrieb | schweeb: yes but i want the see my loadable modules .. I know there are in /lib/modules but thats not as nice as modconf :-) |
| 20:10.12 | schweeb | modprobe -l |
| 20:10.28 | songpenguin | Justin_: think about it. Knoppix is a system for booting a computer off a cdrom. the role requires that it will run on as many computers as possible, therefore the kernel has to have alot of drivers (aka large). being large means being slow. |
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| 20:10.51 | schweeb | that's what modules are for, songpenguin, of which knoppix relies heavily |
| 20:10.53 | greycat | songpenguin: no, being large means using lots of RAM |
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| 20:11.00 | Justin_ | songpenguin: wrong, wrong, and wrong |
| 20:11.00 | schweeb | and that |
| 20:11.00 | greycat | songpenguin: being able to run on an 80386 means slow. |
| 20:11.10 | betrieb | schweeb: thanks "THAT" was what i was searching for! |
| 20:11.14 | schweeb | heh |
| 20:11.27 | pato | i have a problem whit fakeroot debian/rules |
| 20:11.45 | schweeb | ? |
| 20:11.46 | azreal | my kernel is 1.6 megs, i remember when my kernel was 700k |
| 20:11.55 | schweeb | that's not how you use fakeroot, pato |
| 20:12.05 | schweeb | nm |
| 20:12.11 | greycat | schweeb: sure it is... "fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
| 20:12.16 | schweeb | rules could be an sh script |
| 20:12.25 | schweeb | forgot |
| 20:12.29 | greycat | rules should be a #!/usr/bin/make -f script |
| 20:12.37 | azreal | ill bet the knoppix kernel is freakin huge |
| 20:12.40 | schweeb | yes yes, I forgot |
| 20:12.45 | qtio | Im having trouble finding a howto on putting processes in the init.d/rc can anyone recommend a howto site? |
| 20:12.48 | songpenguin | xukun: ok... this just made it more complex... |
| 20:12.49 | schweeb | I usually use dpkg-buildpackage or something |
| 20:13.09 | greycat | qtio: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:13.34 | azreal | qtio: /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:13.54 | qtio | greycat i tried to install sysv-c in order to get those man pages and apt-get failed on an error saying it couldnt overwrite /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 20:14.54 | greycat | qtio: what the hell did you do to your computer? |
| 20:16.07 | songpenguin | xukun: done writing that stuff down? |
| 20:16.24 | qtio | greycat: perhaps something happened when the computer froze... I think the motherboard is faulty... |
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| 20:17.03 | greycat | qtio: touch /forcefsck and then reboot |
| 20:17.12 | Echizen | hello everyone |
| 20:17.46 | Echizen | i need some disk space on my system so i am looking to remove a lot of software |
| 20:18.03 | Echizen | so i want to remove X and all graphical apps, is there an easy way? |
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| 20:18.30 | ljlane | Echizen, removing xlibs will probably do it |
| 20:18.39 | iconi | hello |
| 20:19.03 | Echizen | ljlane, thanx |
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| 20:19.22 | capitol | Hi, I needed to repair an broken lilo, and used the installcd, I booted with "rescue root=/dev/sda1" and when I tried to use and tools (fsck, lilo) it complained about not finding the modules for the kernel in /lib/modules. How should I do it? |
| 20:19.24 | Echizen | i had tried to remove xserver-xfree86 but that didnt get everything else |
| 20:19.37 | Echizen | what u said worked, thanx a bunch :) |
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| 20:20.29 | Echizen | yay, its gonna free 433 mb! woohoo |
| 20:20.45 | pato | where is the doc about making deb packages? |
| 20:20.55 | songpenguin | capitol: do you have a disk like knoppix of LinuxBBC? |
| 20:20.58 | tarzeau | pato: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 20:21.05 | tarzeau | pato: a nice introduction i wrote :) |
| 20:21.09 | SilverWolf__ | is it the meaning that the silicon 3112 driver wont see a disk array? |
| 20:21.19 | capitol | songpenguin: no, why? |
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| 20:22.05 | songpenguin | capitol: heres why, whenever I break my lilo I always use knoppix and build lilo from inside the diskless system. |
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| 20:22.25 | capitol | songpenguin: ok, thanks... will try that |
| 20:22.41 | songpenguin | np |
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| 20:23.29 | donki | can somebody help me how to compile a kernel? (Including being able to switch with lilo, and dont hurt my previous settings) |
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| 20:23.43 | Echizen | topic! |
| 20:23.48 | songpenguin | capitol: another problem might stem from the fact that there might not be a /lib/modules/* |
| 20:24.17 | schweeb | donki: there's plenty of howtos on the net to do it... google for "debian make-kpkg kernel compile" |
| 20:24.29 | schweeb | donki: that way it'll even make a kernel .deb file |
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| 20:25.47 | donki | thanks |
| 20:26.03 | capitol | songpenguin: thats completly true, I didn't find any modules on the cd either... |
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| 20:27.07 | capitol | songpenguin: if there was a modules tree on the rescue disk I could have made a symlink easy. |
| 20:27.42 | songpenguin | k |
| 20:27.58 | songpenguin | so theres nothing in /lib/modules/? |
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| 20:29.05 | Motoko | When I install package4s I get this message "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library" |
| 20:29.28 | capitol | songpenguin: well there is some old modules from a 2.2 kernel... |
| 20:29.42 | Motoko | what locale can I install that'll get rid of this message? |
| 20:30.58 | Echizen | oh nooooooo |
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| 20:31.07 | Echizen | i uninstalled X, and it took NetHack with it |
| 20:31.11 | Echizen | ! |
| 20:32.13 | songpenguin | capitol: hmm, is the rescue disk a diskless system of does it boot the system to the kernel on the disk? |
| 20:32.18 | Motoko | Or should I say, what package should I install? |
| 20:32.41 | greycat | Motoko: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:32.46 | Motoko | k |
| 20:32.56 | greycat | Echizen: I believe unstable has a no-X version of nethack |
| 20:32.59 | xukun | songpenguin, sorry I was eating, I wrote down those staf |
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| 20:33.23 | xukun | songpenguin, there is a lot of unused staft |
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| 20:33.49 | capitol | songpenguin: it will boot the system with the kernel from the cd |
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| 20:33.54 | Echizen | greycat: hmmm, tempting |
| 20:34.23 | z|bandito | can you install debian for HP PA-RISC using an x86? like install it on a drive and then move the drive in the PA-RISC box to boot off it |
| 20:34.37 | tarzeau | z|bandito: not afaik |
| 20:34.49 | songpenguin | capitol: oh... are you on a diferent computer than the broken one? |
| 20:34.56 | Motoko | greycat: it tells me "package locales not installed" |
| 20:35.00 | tarzeau | z|bandito: why can't you install it on the hp pa-risc directly? you know you could netboot/install it |
| 20:35.07 | greycat | Motoko: well then you know what package you would use... |
| 20:35.10 | tarzeau | z|bandito: www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/ |
| 20:35.15 | Motoko | hehe |
| 20:35.16 | Motoko | k |
| 20:35.25 | Misirlou | This is good: <http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html> |
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| 20:36.07 | z|bandito | yeah i was thinking that but i don't have anything except a floppy drive in it |
| 20:36.18 | capitol | songpenguin: yes |
| 20:36.20 | songpenguin | capitol: you can try making a boot disk and manualy telling it the path t you're kernel |
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| 20:36.29 | songpenguin | at boot time |
| 20:36.35 | Echizen | boot floppies, net install! z|bandito |
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| 20:36.48 | xukun | songpenguin, I have to go thanks for the help. talk u soon bye |
| 20:36.59 | songpenguin | capitol: at the lilo bootup prompt /boot/vmlunz* |
| 20:37.00 | capitol | songpenguin: hmm yes... any pointers to a guide? |
| 20:37.05 | arauko | hi guys, im having problems with a nvidia card, now ive started using my i815, what is the right driver for a i815 chipset on woddy? |
| 20:37.14 | jairo | alguien me pudiera decir en donde consigo ayuda en españnol para debian? |
| 20:37.25 | songpenguin | capitol: hmm, I don't know of any |
| 20:37.28 | z|bandito | hmm, ok thanks... i lost the root login to that box =p |
| 20:37.29 | Shadur | ~spanish |
| 20:37.30 | | i guess spanish is much easier though. Fewer vowels, and more phonetic. |
| 20:37.38 | Shadur | ~espanol |
| 20:37.40 | | [spanish] much easier though. Fewer vowels, and more phonetic. |
| 20:37.52 | capitol | songpenguin: ok, I'll google |
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| 20:38.08 | songpenguin | capitol: I just know knoppix has worked for me in the past |
| 20:38.14 | arauko | hi guys, im having problems with a nvidia card, now ive started using my i815, what is the right driver for a i815 chipset on woddy? |
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| 20:38.25 | greycat | arauko: i810 |
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| 20:38.44 | jairo | help in spanish? |
| 20:38.52 | gk | hi |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | arauko: you will also need to be using a kernel which has AGP support in it, which means either 2.2.25 or 2.4.x |
| 20:38.57 | infernix | in french it's aide |
| 20:39.02 | greycat | jairo: #debian-es |
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| 20:39.12 | jairo | gracias |
| 20:39.13 | arauko | greycat ok.. thks.. thats the agp_art module? |
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| 20:39.19 | capitol | songpenguin: thanks for the help |
| 20:39.19 | greycat | agpgart |
| 20:39.22 | arauko | thks |
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| 20:39.28 | songpenguin | capitol: np |
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| 20:41.02 | arauko | greycat i just do it dude.. nothing...... |
| 20:41.16 | gk | debian-installer, want to boot via floppy/usb-stick. how do i set up this? follwed howto, no go at booting first floppy asks, for second floppy . |
| 20:41.30 | maxb | mornin all, anything interesting happening? |
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| 20:41.34 | greycat | arauko: what kernel are you using? |
| 20:41.44 | arauko | greycat i loaded my agpgart module, says is alreday in the kernel, but always is listed with lsmod, 2.6.0 |
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| 20:42.22 | Goldfish7 | anyone have USB working with a 2.6 kernel system? |
| 20:42.23 | greycat | arauko: you shouldn't have to load it manually anyway |
| 20:42.26 | db420d | is xine borked in the latest unstable packages? |
| 20:42.44 | maxb | borked in what way? |
| 20:42.48 | arauko | greycat well.. ive not included it in /etc/modules |
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| 20:43.03 | db420d | maxb: load_plugins failing for aadxr3 and dxr3 |
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| 20:43.09 | arauko | greycat theres any other option i need to set to a special value?.. im using dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:43.23 | db420d | and getting "no post plugin named tvtime found" |
| 20:43.31 | greycat | arauko: no, use a kernel that has agpgart in it, and tell X to use the i810 driver. Should just work. |
| 20:43.37 | maxb | oh, no i get jumpy playback, but not in mplayer, so different borked :( |
| 20:43.42 | SHS` | anyone use Apache/1.3.29 with Ben-SSL/1.52? |
| 20:43.46 | db420d | xine: relocation error: xine: undefined symbol: xine_osd_get_capabilities |
| 20:43.53 | arauko | greycat this one has it dude |
| 20:44.24 | maxb | goldfish -- what you wanna know about usb? |
| 20:44.29 | arauko | greycat when i do modprobe agpgart, FATAL:Module already in the kernel |
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| 20:44.36 | arauko | greycat that what i get |
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| 20:45.17 | sladegen | ~woof |
| 20:45.21 | | i heard woof is the sound a cow makes |
| 20:45.26 | xenohugs | o_O |
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| 20:45.56 | delire | having done the entirety of the font HOWTO http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, i still have terrible, alisased, shitty looking fonts in my gtk applications (on this new install). any tips to getting good clean fonts in gtk apps fro a testing machine? |
| 20:46.11 | knoppix_ | can anyone help with knoppix? |
| 20:46.11 | delire | my other machines are fine, can't see what's missing.. |
| 20:46.18 | Covener | delire: http://www.cede.psu.edu/~covener/fonts.html might help as another source |
| 20:46.23 | maxb | delire -- install the bitstream fonts? |
| 20:46.24 | delire | Covener |
| 20:46.26 | Covener | delire: try to wade through the duplication |
| 20:46.26 | delire | thanks |
| 20:46.29 | SHS` | or is the Apache-SSL 1.3.29 in the Debian archives the one with Ben-SSL? |
| 20:46.33 | delire | maxb: they are all there |
| 20:46.36 | maxb | oh |
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| 20:47.05 | knoppix_ | does anyone know how to get the root password for knoppix without creating a home dir? |
| 20:47.36 | Echizen | knoppix_: just use sudo |
| 20:47.37 | streuner | knoppix_: /j #knoppix |
| 20:47.42 | maxb | knoppix -- read the topic |
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| 20:48.42 | X0901 | nice |
| 20:48.42 | arauko | greycat there? |
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| 20:48.53 | X0901 | okay, it turns out that I'm not about to get jigdo |
| 20:49.03 | X0901 | I found the images in the i386 dir |
| 20:49.18 | X0901 | is it supposed to be all 7 images that you burn to 7 separate cds? |
| 20:49.35 | X0901 | I'm installing Debian for the first time and have heard many good things about it |
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| 20:49.52 | arauko | greycat could you take a look at the X logs? |
| 20:50.00 | sladegen | X0901: no need... i think 1st one should be enough... apt-get will get other packages |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | arauko: no, I won't... you can do that yourself. 'grep EE /var/log/X*' would be a good start. |
| 20:50.17 | X0901 | sladegen: just out of curiousity, what are the other 6? |
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| 20:50.29 | maxb | X0901 -- you must be masochistic or have a t3 line if you wanna get 7 cd's ;) |
| 20:50.32 | arauko | greycat yeah.. but i don`t see the problem |
| 20:50.37 | sladegen | X0901: other packages there are 1000s |
| 20:50.51 | X0901 | sladegen: alright then |
| 20:51.06 | X0901 | I have a 52x32x52 CD burner that shouldn't take too long burning the first CD |
| 20:51.19 | qtio | when starting mysqld from init is it ok to link to /etc/init.d/mysql - im just wondering if I dont need mysql_safe since its not running under a user. |
| 20:51.22 | X0901 | I burned damn small linux 50MB in 19.480 seconds ;) |
| 20:51.28 | arauko | greycat ooh it says unable to open agpgart |
| 20:51.37 | streuner | X0901: /msg d-i backup |
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| 20:51.44 | ganja | hi |
| 20:51.44 | ganja | with which tool i can burn cd image? |
| 20:51.51 | streuner | X0901: /msg apt d-i backup |
| 20:51.55 | streuner | ~d-i backup |
| 20:51.57 | | somebody said backup d-i images was http://freedesktop.org/~daniel/d-i/ (sarge netinst iso backup); they're even signed!, or see /topic #debian-boot |
| 20:51.58 | arauko | greycat but i got that device |
| 20:52.02 | Covener | ganja: cdrecord |
| 20:52.15 | X0901 | hmm |
| 20:52.21 | X0901 | oh, speaking of cdrecord, Covener |
| 20:52.21 | streuner | X0901: save bandwith ;-) |
| 20:52.34 | X0901 | I wrote a 101 line program that utilizes both mkisofs and cdrecord |
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| 20:52.41 | X0901 | it's a very helpful and useful Perl script |
| 20:53.03 | X0901 | I wrote it this morning and already got a couple people to use it ;) |
| 20:53.03 | Covener | X0901: can't imagine what takes 101 lines -- I think i use a 3 liner in bash |
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| 20:53.17 | maestro | hello |
| 20:53.19 | arauko | greycat do i need the GLcore module? |
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| 20:53.33 | X0901 | well, it's sort of like an interactive menu that goes through all the steps for you |
| 20:53.47 | X0901 | actually, it's prolly more useful for the less experienced |
| 20:53.47 | ganja | hm and a tool with gui covener? ;) |
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| 20:54.02 | Covener | ganja: gcombust is straightforward |
| 20:54.06 | ganja | or how is the command for burn a image file? |
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| 20:54.23 | SEth| | where i can find the network-config of debian? |
| 20:54.25 | Covener | ganja: there are cdrecording howtos i believe. |
| 20:54.44 | arauko | guys im trying to run X with an i815, im using i810 but comes up = (EE) Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device) , and i got the device and the module loaded, any ideas? |
| 20:55.01 | tux-helper | SEth : /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:55.09 | SEth| | thanks |
| 20:55.12 | qtio | Is rc4.d a good place to link apache and mysql scripts? |
| 20:55.15 | Covener | arauko: you have the specific intel support for agpgart selected? |
| 20:55.17 | arauko | ganja cdrecord |
| 20:55.20 | greycat | arauko: it certainly sounds like a kernel issue to me, but I have very little 2.6.x experience |
| 20:55.30 | maestro | i had suse linux and now i have installed debian too, and debian has not detected my ehernet card. can anybody help me? |
| 20:55.43 | arauko | greycat im going to try with a 2.4 |
| 20:55.45 | X0901 | I can't wait to see this get done |
| 20:55.53 | arauko | Covener mmm.. what is that option dude? |
| 20:56.00 | X0901 | so, how's Debian in comparison to say slackware or gentoo? |
| 20:56.06 | Covener | arauko: grep AGP /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 20:56.10 | X0901 | I know apt-get is like gentoo's emerge |
| 20:56.11 | streuner | maestro: what kernel do you use and what NIC do you have? |
| 20:56.17 | X0901 | but that's about all I know about debian :P |
| 20:56.21 | donki | how can i write dvd? is it similar to writing cd? (can i use same howto?) |
| 20:56.35 | X0901 | donki: yeah, there's a dvd option in cdrecord |
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| 20:56.39 | Covener | donki: You probably want more specific info dvd+rwrools is a good read |
| 20:56.54 | greycat | Covener: probably /usr/src/linux-2.6.*/.config nowadays |
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| 20:56.58 | Covener | donki: er, tools rather |
| 20:57.01 | streuner | maestro: don't /msg me, ask first. |
| 20:57.12 | Covener | greycat: I always symlink the running one anyway... |
| 20:57.17 | maestro | ok sorry |
| 20:57.19 | arauko | Covener yeah i have CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=m , what is the name of that module? |
| 20:57.22 | ganja | GANJA:/home/ganja# gcombust Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 20:57.25 | maestro | whats NIC |
| 20:57.30 | Covener | arauko: dunno, find on /lib/modules? |
| 20:57.31 | Goldfish7 | has anyone successfully got USB working with a 2.6 kernel and an intel (NEC) chipset? |
| 20:57.35 | jhair | pff |
| 20:57.35 | motaba | maestro: use modconf |
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| 20:57.43 | arauko | Covener let me check |
| 20:57.56 | streuner | maestro: NetworkInterfaceC??? |
| 20:57.57 | ganja | covener? what this mean??? |
| 20:57.58 | jhair | maestro: dict NIC |
| 20:58.01 | X0901 | hmm, maybe something else |
| 20:58.02 | mofino | Does 'mmount' require the (v)fat FS to be in the kernel? |
| 20:58.11 | maestro | a realtek card |
| 20:58.14 | streuner | maestro: anyway it's usually your ethernet-card |
| 20:58.28 | greycat | mofino: it can be a module |
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| 20:58.34 | maestro | under suse i have a modul 8139too |
| 20:58.39 | sladegen | X0901: apt-get is not like emerge... debian is binary distro as opposed to gentoo which is a source based one |
| 20:58.42 | Covener | ganja: no idea. You using su to become root and trying to launch apps on ausers destop? use sudo |
| 20:58.47 | streuner | ~rtl8139 |
| 20:58.49 | | well, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it |
| 20:58.50 | ganja | yes right |
| 20:58.52 | maestro | but i have not found this on debian |
| 20:59.00 | ganja | i have try to burn as normal user, permission denied |
| 20:59.10 | Covener | ganka: Right, i suggest using sudo |
| 20:59.11 | streuner | maestro: it's compilied into kernel |
| 20:59.12 | ganja | then root, but cant start the tool as root |
| 20:59.15 | mofino | greycat, but isn't the point of mtools to not need kernel support (obviously mounting is another story I guess). |
| 20:59.19 | mofino | Anyway, thanks. |
| 20:59.23 | mofino | Just confirming. |
| 20:59.28 | ganja | sudo??? covener |
| 20:59.33 | greycat | mofino: well, I dunno about 'mmount' because I've never used that one |
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| 20:59.39 | Covener | ganja: use sudo instead of su or however you are becoming root. |
| 20:59.39 | greycat | mofino: mdir and mcopy don't need vfat in the kernel |
| 20:59.41 | maestro | and how can i install? |
| 20:59.44 | mofino | greycat, ahh yeah. |
| 20:59.49 | maestro | or load it |
| 20:59.52 | greycat | but I've never ever built a kernel *without* vfat in it, so... :) |
| 20:59.57 | mofino | greycat, I wanted to symlink to a vfat |
| 21:00.00 | ganja | ganja@GANJA:~$ sudo bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 21:00.12 | arauko | Covener yeah, i think i need that.. i just check in the menuconfig, but it doesn`t specify the module name |
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| 21:00.18 | mofino | greycat, I'm getting NLS compiler errors trying to make the vfat module. |
| 21:00.19 | Covener | ganja: Install sudo,configure it, try gcombust again |
| 21:00.27 | schweeb | Covener: sudo takes initial setup though |
| 21:00.30 | cooler | part |
| 21:00.34 | streuner | maestro: run 'dmesg' |
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| 21:00.53 | Covener | schweeb: I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that he'd discover that... |
| 21:01.09 | maestro | and then |
| 21:01.35 | streuner | maestro: you don't have an Draytek router? (2600) |
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| 21:01.40 | schweeb | Covener: some just expect things to work oob |
| 21:01.42 | maestro | no |
| 21:01.42 | ganja | how i configure sudo??? |
| 21:01.51 | Covener | arauko: find /lib/modules -name "*agp.o" |
| 21:01.56 | caphuso | ganja: run visudo after reading "man sudoers" |
| 21:01.57 | greycat | ganja: man sudo, man visudo, man sudoers, etc. |
| 21:02.00 | Covener | ganja: it comes with a manual and documentation |
| 21:02.06 | streuner | maestro: get one |
| 21:02.17 | ganja | ok |
| 21:02.21 | maestro | but i dont want any router |
| 21:02.31 | Covener | arauko: *.ko rather |
| 21:02.38 | maestro | i only want to configure my ethernet card |
| 21:02.39 | db420d | i you can probably find good example /etc/sudoers via google |
| 21:02.50 | arauko | Covener yeah |
| 21:02.52 | streuner | maestro: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:03.09 | maestro | and then |
| 21:03.30 | streuner | maestro: read it ? |
| 21:03.36 | Covener | ganja: my line in sudoers for user coveneris covener ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 21:03.45 | maestro | it doesnt find anything |
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| 21:03.57 | lazarus | Covener: are you insane? |
| 21:04.07 | streuner | maestro: oh, just use apt instead of dpkg |
| 21:04.28 | lazarus | Covener: nor to ever run anything such as an irc client as your user? |
| 21:04.35 | sladegen | streuner: i think maestro doesnt yet have eth0 device to even think of intetfaces.... |
| 21:04.46 | lazarus | Covener: you have created your own root escalation vulnerability |
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| 21:04.50 | arauko | Covener hah thanks dude it worked, its the intel-agp.ko module :) |
| 21:04.51 | maestro | yes thats right |
| 21:04.54 | Covener | lazarus: And? |
| 21:05.00 | Prosthetic_Mind | ... I know this'll sound stupid, but how do I get to the visual interface after installing debian? |
| 21:05.01 | sgeigerbot | Why when trying to use cdrecord to burn do I get "Trying to clear drive status." and then "cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status." ? This problem prevents me from burning CDs. |
| 21:05.06 | lazarus | Covener: (such as debian.org was compromised by, but by your own hand) |
| 21:05.08 | Covener | lazarus: Those are usually for _any_ unpriveleged user |
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| 21:05.33 | streuner | sladegen: so you think, it isn't compiled into kernel (8139too)? |
| 21:05.39 | lazarus | Prosthetic_Mind: wtf is a visual interface? the console is not in front of you? |
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| 21:05.42 | calamari_ | hi |
| 21:05.43 | uws | Prosthetic_Mind: You'll have to install X-Windows and a window manager or a graphical user environment like Gnome or KDE |
| 21:05.53 | djax | Hi |
| 21:05.56 | streuner | maestro: what modem do you have? |
| 21:06.03 | sladegen | maestro: modprobe module proper for you NIC |
| 21:06.03 | greycat | Prosthetic_Mind: try 'tasksel' if you're a bona fide newbie |
| 21:06.09 | Prosthetic_Mind | yeah |
| 21:06.11 | Prosthetic_Mind | ok |
| 21:06.13 | djax | Does anyone know an howto setup udev or from devfs to udev? |
| 21:06.18 | sgeigerbot | Prosthetic_Mind: i guess lazy x is 'apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect;dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common;apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common' |
| 21:06.26 | Prosthetic_Mind | I thought I installed that component... but I'll try again |
| 21:06.29 | lazarus | djax: #linux-kernel |
| 21:06.35 | djax | lazarus: k |
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| 21:06.44 | maestro | i have tried modprobe 8139too but it didnt find any |
| 21:06.44 | Covener | djax: would you really follow some random persons advice on IRC to do that? |
| 21:06.59 | Prosthetic_Mind | mmm... the sooner I toss windows, the better |
| 21:07.10 | djax | Covener: I asked for a Howto. |
| 21:07.12 | Covener | delire: you have any success? |
| 21:07.15 | djax | Or a Readme. |
| 21:07.21 | streuner | maestro: grep 8139 /boot/config-2.4.18bf |
| 21:07.26 | djax | Covener: More not. |
| 21:07.33 | sgeigerbot | lazarus: I think he means so that his computer can have eye-like cameras. |
| 21:08.03 | lazarus | sgeigerbot: dual webcams? red/green stereoscopic? |
| 21:08.05 | sladegen | maestro: well we dont know what NIC you might have... |
| 21:08.15 | streuner | maestro: take a look at the /boot folder, i dunno the exact name of the config-file |
| 21:08.16 | maestro | i know that |
| 21:08.22 | sgeigerbot | lazarus: I don't know. that's what I think of when I heard visual interface... |
| 21:08.47 | maestro | i have an another debian system with the same network card and it works |
| 21:08.51 | lazarus | sgeigerbot: probably. |
| 21:09.19 | maestro | grep 8139 gives three lines like CONFIG_8139TOO=y |
| 21:09.28 | maestro | CONFIG_8139CP=y |
| 21:09.30 | lazarus | sgeigerbot: what is your problem with that? |
| 21:09.49 | sladegen | maestro: and dmesg | grep eth shows anything? |
| 21:10.05 | streuner | maestro: ok, so the module is compiled into kernel, look into with 'dmesg' and see it detected your NIC |
| 21:10.05 | calamari_ | how can I install a .deb file I've downloaded myself? I tried adding my root folder to sources.list but that didn't work |
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| 21:10.19 | Gathond | calamari_: dpkg -i filename |
| 21:10.20 | maestro | yes on other system it shows that this module exists |
| 21:10.21 | schweeb | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 21:10.21 | dpkg | schweeb: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:10.27 | schweeb | bah, silly bots |
| 21:10.33 | calamari_ | thanks Gathond & schweeb |
| 21:10.41 | sgeigerbot | lazarus: Why when trying to use cdrecord to burn do I get "Trying to clear drive status." and then "cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status." ? This problem prevents me from burning CDs. |
| 21:10.43 | maestro | but on another system it doesnot detect it |
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| 21:11.05 | streuner | maestro: on which? debian? |
| 21:11.11 | maestro | debian |
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| 21:11.19 | ganja | how is the command to burn image (/home/ganja/ganja.iso) with cdrecord??? |
| 21:11.20 | tola | how do I restart X? |
| 21:11.28 | Mave | ganja: man |
| 21:11.30 | maestro | the same version with same cards on 2 systems |
| 21:11.39 | maestro | one works and other not |
| 21:11.41 | ganja | mave i must burn only this cd |
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| 21:12.00 | Mave | ganja: apt-get install a_gui_burner_fe |
| 21:12.07 | sgeigerbot | tola: restart xdm/kdm/gdm |
| 21:12.07 | streuner | ganja: cdrecord -v -speed=80 -dev=0,0,0 /home/ganja/foo.iso |
| 21:12.23 | ganja | thx guys |
| 21:12.25 | Skaag | i'm bored... there should be a command called 'bored' that makes dpkg recommend some silly pkg to play with... :-) |
| 21:12.35 | tola | sgeigerbot: thank you |
| 21:12.51 | sladegen | Skaag: configure inn+suck for me if you are bored ;) |
| 21:13.08 | Skaag | what's that? |
| 21:13.16 | maestro | any more ideas |
| 21:13.20 | sladegen | Skaag: use apt-cache |
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| 21:13.29 | Skaag | ah news stuff |
| 21:13.33 | Skaag | sounds cool |
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| 21:13.44 | sladegen | maestro: you didnt answer the questions |
| 21:13.49 | streuner | ganja: take a look into the man-page for -driveropts=burnfree, it will enable burnfree which is very important |
| 21:13.49 | simonrvn | @wb dpkg |
| 21:13.52 | ravenbird | Welcome back dpkg, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 21:14.03 | orchid | sgeigerbot: he asked how to restart x, likely he restarted it :) |
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| 21:14.22 | streuner | !status |
| 21:14.22 | dpkg | Since Tue Dec 30 09:34:12 2003, there have been 2 modifications, 37 questions, 130 dunnos, 1 moron and 62 commands. I have been awake for 11h 40m 10s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 16324 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 75.69/4.29 child 90.22/8.95 |
| 21:14.23 | qtio | Im unable to see the manpage for update-rc.d - it is included in sysv-rc however when I try to install sysv-rc I get this error "trying to overwrite `/etc/init.d/rc', which is also in package sysvinit" - How can I resolve this? |
| 21:14.30 | simonrvn | the irony of a bot greeting another amuses me |
| 21:14.35 | maestro | i cannot because i am working with suse now and i must boot debian to grep |
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| 21:14.36 | sladegen | Skaag: yup very cool ;)) and very messy... 10s of files 100s of options... *shudder* |
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| 21:14.47 | streuner | simonrvn: take a look at the factoids |
| 21:14.58 | simonrvn | streuner: woops |
| 21:15.07 | streuner | yep |
| 21:15.16 | simonrvn | @status |
| 21:15.16 | ravenbird | Since Tue Dec 30 10:26:29 2003, there have been 1 modification, 8 questions, 1 dunno, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 10h 48m 47s this session, and currently reference 20432 factoids. I'm using about 23784 kB of memory. |
| 21:15.23 | Skaag | sladegen, I toy sometimes with the idea of doing the same thing here, for specific newsgroups... |
| 21:15.32 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: irony is one element, copper another |
| 21:15.47 | simonrvn | </groan> |
| 21:16.09 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: Sorry, I don't have any read-to-use irony factoids |
| 21:16.09 | simonrvn | @lart ganja for having a dumb script in his /quit msg |
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| 21:16.15 | RobotBebop | hey |
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| 21:16.44 | Mave | !drill |
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| 21:17.08 | Mave | hm not a good place for petrol sondage |
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| 21:17.26 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 21:17.38 | va | i'm looking for an irc bouncer and debian only has a package for muh. Is there a reason why the apparently popular psyBNC, ezbounce and bnc don't have their debs? |
| 21:17.42 | sladegen | Skaag: its a Good Thing(tm) makes reading news more responsive... and i can use many diff clients if i choose and only download them once |
| 21:17.52 | deadcat | are there any program that reminds about bdays? or will automatically email a person on that dude's bday? |
| 21:17.55 | simonrvn | va: licence maybe |
| 21:17.57 | RobotBebop | has Debian updated it's packages to include the latest KDE ? |
| 21:18.06 | va | psyBNC is under GPL |
| 21:18.09 | simonrvn | RobotBebop: long time ago |
| 21:18.13 | streuner | deadcat: cron |
| 21:18.14 | RobotBebop | ok |
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| 21:18.29 | tarzeau | docelic|away: happy new year! what are you busy with? |
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| 21:19.08 | deadcat | streuner: ya. i was going to use cron to do that for me. so theres no program that does that right? like check a file for bday. i am gonna write one. what should i name it? (= |
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| 21:19.19 | eeyore- | RobotBebop: a few days ago, 3.1.4-3 |
| 21:19.31 | xenohugs | You should call it "at". |
| 21:19.31 | greycat | deadcat: look at "calendar" |
| 21:19.43 | deadcat | greycat: ok. |
| 21:19.46 | RobotBebop | i read OSnews' review of KDE 3.2 |
| 21:19.48 | greycat | !find bin/calendar$ woody |
| 21:19.51 | RobotBebop | seemed promising |
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| 21:20.07 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I wrote my own mysql/perl thing that does that. |
| 21:20.07 | ganja | have a problem |
| 21:20.09 | RobotBebop | the UI is always what pushes me away from Linux, maybe i'll force myself to spend more time customizing |
| 21:20.10 | qtio | hey eeyore- have you ever used a ASUS -cusi-fx? It turns out that the problem really is my abit MB |
| 21:20.13 | ganja | with cdburner |
| 21:20.15 | sladegen | deadcat: either use apt-cache or http://freshmeat.net or sf.net |
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| 21:20.27 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: cool. heheh i was gonna do it with text tough. (= |
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| 21:20.28 | netti | Hallo |
| 21:20.44 | simonrvn | @find bin/calendar woody |
| 21:20.46 | cooler | where can i get gnome2.4 packages ? |
| 21:20.50 | netti | was muss ich machen um mit debian (xchat) umlaute und das euro zeichen schreiben und lesen zu koennen? |
| 21:20.57 | netti | sorry 4 german |
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| 21:21.07 | jhair | netti, #debian-de does exist |
| 21:21.08 | streuner | cooler: woody? try apt-get.org |
| 21:21.18 | netti | jhair: mom i translate it |
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| 21:21.25 | sgeigerbot | ~+german |
| 21:21.27 | | rumour has it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 21:21.29 | RobotBebop | are there any serious issues with the latest nVidia drivers for Linux ? |
| 21:21.39 | sgeigerbot | jhair: debian.de |
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| 21:21.44 | simonrvn | yes, binary-only drivers suck |
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| 21:21.52 | deadcat | RobotBebop: theres a patch for 2.6, so no. |
| 21:21.54 | Covener | RobotBebop: people seem to be having trouble w/ them |
| 21:21.54 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'bin/calendar' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/calendar) in utils/bsdmainutils ;; (/usr/lib/erlang/lib/stdlib-1.10/ebin/calendar.beam) in non-US/erlang. |
| 21:22.16 | RobotBebop | i had issues with getting the drivers to work last year but i don't think i was doing it properly. |
| 21:22.19 | Covener | RobotBebop: Probably makes sense to wait another release |
| 21:22.24 | Prosthetic_Mind | ... how do you run windows x from the terminal? |
| 21:22.39 | sladegen | startx |
| 21:22.48 | Prosthetic_Mind | thx |
| 21:22.49 | ne | What should i had to source.list to get experimental Xfree86 4.3 packages ? |
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| 21:22.54 | streuner | netti: go into Settings->Setup-> and disable UseFont Set |
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| 21:23.00 | SaLLeM | hi |
| 21:23.01 | deadcat | greycat: calendar seems to only notifies me. i want the progrm to email the birthday(boy|girl) hehehe. i am too lazy.. (= |
| 21:23.07 | Covener | robot: Ah misread your question -- the newest released ones don't work quite right for a good number of people, but if you go back 1 version (you cna download "from the archive") you should be ok. It has a new installer as well |
| 21:23.15 | simonrvn | @+experimental |
| 21:23.15 | ne | http://people.debian.org/~branden sid/i386/ doesn't work anymore |
| 21:23.16 | ravenbird | experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar |
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| 21:23.40 | ne | ravenbird ok i try that |
| 21:23.40 | ravenbird | ne: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:24.00 | streuner | @What are you? |
| 21:24.01 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 21:24.16 | cleiton | hey why i dont set dma in my dvd drive ? hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc, setting using_dma to 1 (on), HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted, using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 21:24.21 | greycat | deadcat: in that case, I'd suggest a cron job |
| 21:24.22 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: whats the format of the table you use? i plan for yr:month:day:lname:fname:email |
| 21:24.28 | deadcat | greycat: ok... |
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| 21:24.44 | deadcat | i plan to check it onces a day. heheh |
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| 21:26.02 | streuner | deadcat: i like your website, how can find more info how this works? |
| 21:26.24 | fgh | KDSKBENT: Invalid Argument || failed to bind 256 to value 638 || at boottime ... how to fix ths? |
| 21:26.25 | ne | ravenbird seems to work, thank you |
| 21:26.25 | ravenbird | ne: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:26.37 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I'm going to pm you the URL to my code. |
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| 21:26.55 | deadcat | streuner: thanks. what you mean? i can give you the index.cgi file if you want. i use glob() alot. cus most of the text are a file or a dir. heheh |
| 21:27.00 | deadcat | k |
| 21:27.09 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: make yourself a copy now, as I am going to remove that file. |
| 21:27.37 | streuner | deadcat: where can i download index.cgi? |
| 21:27.52 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: did you get it? |
| 21:28.09 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: got it. |
| 21:28.20 | deadcat | streuner: i have to email it to you. |
| 21:28.23 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: let me know what you think. |
| 21:28.38 | simonrvn | fgh: it's called the tools have to be updated to deal with 2.6 properly. be patient, and they will come |
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| 21:28.46 | streuner | deadcat: streuner@weda.mine.nu |
| 21:28.47 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: ok. hehe. i was gonna to write one too. let see if yours is what i am looking for. (-= |
| 21:28.49 | deadcat | k |
| 21:28.53 | simonrvn | fgh: and report bugs ;) |
| 21:29.10 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: No need to reinvent the wheel. |
| 21:29.15 | themp | anyone here make bootable sparc iso's ? |
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| 21:29.22 | qtio | Im unable to see the manpage for update-rc.d - it is included in sysv-rc however when I try to install sysv-rc I get this error "trying to overwrite `/etc/init.d/rc', which is also in package sysvinit" - How can I resolve this? |
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| 21:29.24 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hahaha |
| 21:29.30 | simonrvn | #debian-sparc would |
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| 21:29.47 | trumpetsailor | Anyone here familiar with configuring exim? It currently utilizes my processor fully every time it runs. Otherwise, it appears to be configured correctly. |
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| 21:30.31 | lazarus | knoppix_: /tpic |
| 21:30.38 | delire | Covener: do you have any other suggestions on the gtk2 font front? i have done everything in both howto's and all my other machines (3) have gtk2.0 apps that look fine.. |
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| 21:30.44 | michalato | trumpetsailor: it probably just generates log entrys at an amazing 29mb/s |
| 21:30.49 | lazarus | knoppix_: /topic |
| 21:30.56 | Covener | delier: running gnome? |
| 21:31.14 | delire | Covener: these machines are at a uni, and they all run kde3.1 |
| 21:31.15 | trumpetsailor | michalato: how do I disable logging? (and why does it log that much data?) |
| 21:31.26 | Covener | delire: gnome-settings-daemon running for you? |
| 21:31.37 | Covener | delire: (that would override the .gtkrc-2.0) |
| 21:31.41 | delire | Covener: kde3.1 on these boxes |
| 21:31.55 | michalato | trumpetsailor: is your exim configured correctly? |
| 21:31.58 | Covener | delire: yes, but the settings daemon can still be running. |
| 21:32.00 | delire | Covener: my gtkrc-kde on the other machines is identical |
| 21:32.09 | Covener | delire: how about .gtkrc-2.0? |
| 21:32.37 | delire | Covener: the other machines don't have one, and nor does this one. so, i created one and put in the entry referencing sans |
| 21:32.42 | trumpetsailor | michalato: It's a single user machine delivering perhaps 10 messages a day to the outside world. It appears to deliver all my mail correctly, so in that sense, it's properly configured. |
| 21:33.13 | michalato | trumpetsailor: strange :/ |
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| 21:33.32 | Covener | delire: what apps are you testing this with |
| 21:33.41 | delire | Covener: gtk-gnutella and sylpheed |
| 21:33.54 | Covener | delire: have you tried not letting kde apply colors/etc to other apps? |
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| 21:34.09 | delire | Covener: no.. <checks this> |
| 21:34.27 | trumpetsailor | michalato: hmmm. The log file is chock full of frozen messages. Any clue how I might deal with them? Should I just rtfm and check the FAQ? |
| 21:34.32 | Covener | delire: gnutella is gtk1.2 |
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| 21:35.04 | delire | Covener: right.. but still no luck with the HOWTO which talks about this |
| 21:35.12 | delire | Covener: i think sylpheed is too |
| 21:35.13 | brrrr | anyone here experienced with NIS? |
| 21:35.18 | metalifloyd | I was using ide-scsi with the 2.4 kernel and to my understanding you no longer have to use this with 2.6 ? How do I get my cd-rom drive to be accessible via /dev/hdc as opposed to /dev/scd1 ? |
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| 21:35.19 | Covener | delire: ok, i was working with you on gtk2 though sorry |
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| 21:35.30 | simonrvn | trumpetsailor: pop up eximon, and unfreeze them |
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| 21:35.32 | Covener | delire: you'd want to look at .xftconfig and .gtkrc then, along w/ fontpath etc. |
| 21:35.35 | michalato | trumpetsailor: i have only very limited experience with exim so i cant help you further. |
| 21:35.45 | Covener | delire: can you xterm -fa mono and get nice output? |
| 21:36.06 | simonrvn | trumpetsailor: they get frozen because it can't deliver the msgs. so somethings not right |
| 21:36.11 | trumpetsailor | michalato: Thanks! You've been a big help! |
| 21:36.21 | delire | Covener: that gives me a very large spaced out font but well anti-aliased |
| 21:36.22 | simonrvn | trumpetsailor: check out #exim too |
| 21:36.24 | trumpetsailor | simonrvn: okbee. Trying now. |
| 21:36.43 | delire | Covener: must be about 200 points |
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| 21:36.53 | trumpetsailor | simonrvn: if this doesn't work, I'll check with #exim |
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| 21:37.05 | Akhen | I'm having a little problem with X, in some progs i seem to miss the font that the prog uses (ie: in the login screen i see everything but text.) i also have this in bbconf (i use blackbox). Anyone have a clue what I'm missing |
| 21:37.10 | Akhen | ? |
| 21:37.41 | Covener | delire: are all the fonts in sylhpeed ugly -- widgets and say the text of emails or just one or the other? |
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| 21:38.17 | delire | Covener: all ugle and heavily aliased. btw i don't have a ~/.xftconfig. should i create one? |
| 21:38.27 | delire | Covener: adding the match any family == "serif" edit family += "Bitstream Vera Serif"; |
| 21:38.27 | delire | match any family == "sans" edit family += "Bitstream Vera Sans"; |
| 21:38.28 | delire | match any family == "mono" edit family += "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono"; |
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| 21:38.34 | delire | -->> sorry |
| 21:38.46 | cooler | what is "yeld" package at gnome2.4 ? |
| 21:38.54 | Covener | delire: can't hurt... make sure you ge t the part about the path (and that there is stuff there) and that you have those fonts |
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| 21:39.19 | trumpetsailor | simonrvm: wow. eximon is flipping out. Tons of frozen messages, I suppose. |
| 21:39.25 | delire | Covener: yep.. strange this has never happened to me on a debian install. never had to go to these lengths.. |
| 21:39.29 | Covener | delire: although i have seen some systems where having NO gtk1.2 config at all makes the apps look best |
| 21:39.30 | brrrr | anyone here with NIS experience? |
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| 21:39.47 | paulswm | cooler: do you mean "yelp"? |
| 21:39.57 | deadcat | streuner: sent.. if you want to know where i learn all this. check out : hills.ccsf.edu/~dputnam : i learned most of these from him.. and i am gonna learn php from him next sem. hehehe |
| 21:39.57 | lazarus | brrrr: /msg apt polls |
| 21:39.58 | Covener | delire: you may want to as a last measure get rid of all your font-influencing configs and see how the fonts look |
| 21:40.03 | schweeb | brrr: NIS is horrid, and insecure, use LDAP or something if possible |
| 21:40.15 | cooler | paulswm: yes... sorry the mistake |
| 21:40.22 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: you bastard. you are as lazy as me. (= hahahahha |
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| 21:40.32 | streuner | deadcat: ok. |
| 21:40.33 | greycat | schweeb: NIS is simplistic and insecure. |
| 21:40.37 | greycat | schweeb: I wouldn't call it "horrid" |
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| 21:40.40 | delire | Covener: right... is there any reason a .xftconfig wouldn't be created by default? |
| 21:40.47 | paulswm | cooler: yelp is the gnome help browser. |
| 21:40.59 | Covener | delire: there is a systemwide one in /etc/X11/ with some data |
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| 21:41.47 | Fixion | I compiled mplayer and it seems to work. But after a while, it just suddenly switches over to using a few colors (mainly green). I exit and fast forward to the spot I left off. But it gets really anoying after a while. Whats wrong with mplayer? |
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| 21:42.10 | cooler | paulswm: thanks |
| 21:42.18 | paulswm | cooler: np |
| 21:42.36 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i was planning to write it in perl for now. then do it in php once i learn it. my friend told me that mail is built-in in php. |
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| 21:43.16 | Fixion | can anyone help me with mplayer? |
| 21:43.16 | cleiton | how i use modprobe to use DMA=1 in my DVDplayer? |
| 21:43.20 | brrrr | well I had to migrate an existing NIS installation from a RH6.2 system to Debian 3.0 and I've got it working again along with openldap which I plan to switch to ASAP. In the meatime however I'm not sure if I'm miissing something in the map Makefile but regular joeblow users can basically see all the shadow password entries with a simple `getent passwd` or `ypcat`. I cannot imagine that NIS is THAT insecure or is it? |
| 21:43.32 | deadcat | streuner: whats your webpage? let me put a link on mine. heheh |
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| 21:43.42 | delire | Covener: thanks. will restart X now to check if all has worked |
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| 21:46.47 | cleiton | how i use modprobe to use DMA=1 in my DVDplayer? |
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| 21:49.05 | ILL[n\a] | hello. |
| 21:49.29 | ILL[n\a] | Is there any comparison faq between slackware and debian? |
| 21:49.32 | oskie | cleiton: dma should be enabled automaticly.. but if it isn't, you can enable it with the hdparm tool. see the manpage |
| 21:49.43 | tarzeau | ILL[n\a]: no , but look www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 21:49.54 | ILL[n\a] | Thank you tarzeau. |
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| 21:50.45 | cleiton | oskie: dont work in kernel 2.4.22 in my 2.4.20 work |
| 21:50.46 | Dice | is there an easy way to get the uw-imapd to allow plaintext login? |
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| 21:51.03 | oskie | cleiton: what do you mean? |
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| 21:51.32 | Aquarina | can you please tell me: if I delete hda1 with qtparted will hda2 become hda1 automaticaly? |
| 21:51.44 | cleiton | oskie: help me |
| 21:51.46 | deadcat | Aquarina: yes. |
| 21:52.01 | Aquarina | deadcat: ;) |
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| 21:52.10 | oskie | cleiton: first, why do you need to enable DMA for the DVD player? |
| 21:52.24 | deadcat | Aquarina: ive done that with cfdisk and i got fucked. (= i removed 7 and my 8 was /home )= |
| 21:52.28 | slaphappy | Aquarina be careful if you have a dual boot though... |
| 21:53.04 | cleiton | oskie: becuse dvd need DMA to work good |
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| 21:54.11 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: If you do it my way, it gets put into the mail server queue, which takes over sending the mail. The PHP way sends mail directly...so if you send out more than one mail message...and PHP is unable to contact the server, then the script hangs. My way, at least, the mail server will try again and again to deliver the message. |
| 21:54.21 | Aquarina | slaphappy: with what? running lilo afterwords |
| 21:54.23 | Aquarina | ? |
| 21:54.34 | oskie | cleiton: does using_dma in /proc/ide/ideX/hdY/settings say 0? (ideX = channel, hdY = drive) |
| 21:55.01 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: you can still write it in PHP, but don't use the PHP mail feature. Use the command line way to feed mail to sendmail. |
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| 21:55.17 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 21:55.25 | | ACTION slits deadcat for the 9th time's throat |
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| 21:55.32 | slaphappy | Aquarina: I was using Grub and for some reason it whacked out my M$ stuff |
| 21:55.33 | Flane | hi, does anybody use ndiswrapper with centrino wlan ? |
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| 21:55.48 | sgeigerbot | slaphappy: That's what you get for being slaphappy |
| 21:56.03 | slaphappy | LOL.... |
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| 21:57.30 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: why do you say I'm lazy? |
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| 21:58.01 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: php.net/mail ? |
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| 21:58.35 | entplex | chaneln |
| 21:59.22 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Just try to send mail to several addresses at once...including servers that want to teergrube you. |
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| 21:59.34 | sgeigerbot | ~+teergrube |
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| 21:59.38 | hackeron | can someone please tell me how to make NFS more reliable, because of a less than perfect quality network, I get a lot of 'Stale NFS Share' errors, at times its rare, at times it's constant, what can I do to just prevent this!? I want NFS to just retry an endless amount of time because network is there, and scp works flawless for example.. |
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| 22:00.10 | wpg_guard | Anyone ever played with iptables and port forwarding? |
| 22:00.31 | slaphappy | Guard: Many times.... |
| 22:00.35 | entplex | need help w/ knoppix, and a ntfs |
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| 22:00.56 | slaphappy | Entplex: Knoppix or Knoppix-std? |
| 22:01.02 | wpg_guard | slaphappy: Any idea why I'd be having trouble doing port forwarding to a nat? |
| 22:01.03 | linuxfreck | hackeron: you could mount the nfs shares with -ohard |
| 22:01.04 | sgeigerbot | ~teergrube is a modified MTA (mail transport agent) able to slow down specified senders (usually spammers) by holding their mail connections open, even though you don't allow them to send you mail. http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/usenet/teergrube.en.html |
| 22:01.05 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 22:01.06 | entplex | knoppix |
| 22:01.18 | unixfool` | how come when i start an xterm from an xterm or a little epplet, it positions it according to other open windows, but if i open it from a script or eterm, it just opens all of them on top of each other? |
| 22:01.19 | entplex | no not nfs ntfs |
| 22:01.26 | entplex | as in the window type |
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| 22:01.37 | entplex | *windows |
| 22:01.42 | slaphappy | Guard: Inbound or outbound? |
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| 22:02.16 | sgeigerbot | unixfool`: man xterm |
| 22:02.16 | wpg_guard | slaphappy: Inbound. Outbound NAT is fine. Does the 2.4 kernel not have something that I need? |
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| 22:02.36 | slaphappy | Entplex: Yes I know, but using the security version of Knoppix or the regular desktop version? |
| 22:02.47 | entplex | sry, i got mixed up |
| 22:02.48 | Aquarina | tks ppl |
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| 22:02.57 | sgeigerbot | slaphappy: "the security version of Knoppix" ? What's that? |
| 22:02.59 | entplex | i think the desktop |
| 22:03.05 | hackeron | linuxfreck: trying.. |
| 22:03.06 | entplex | not sure |
| 22:03.09 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: any hint where something relevant lies? |
| 22:03.26 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: a blank CD |
| 22:03.31 | slaphappy | Guard: Possible. Do your rules have a DMZ setup or staight-through.. |
| 22:03.38 | sgeigerbot | unixfool`: xterm -geometry 70x25+590+29 & |
| 22:03.39 | entplex | im not sure how to tell the difference |
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| 22:03.48 | linuxfreck | hackeron: note that with -ohard the program accessing nfs shares will then hang until the nfs server is available again |
| 22:03.57 | sgeigerbot | unixfool`: You probably also want to know about xwininfo |
| 22:03.57 | [Elvis|Home] | Hi, I'm trying to start a bash script at boot...can someone help me? |
| 22:03.59 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: no, i'm not asking how geometry works, i'm asking how it automatically grabs one |
| 22:04.05 | slaphappy | Sgiegerbot: Knoppix-STD, bootable CD for Security tools. |
| 22:04.19 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: xwininfo, hmm, ok, i'll look into that |
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| 22:04.32 | Flooda | i went and tried to compile some stuff, and it always gives errors like it cant find "stdlib.h, unistd.h, getopt.h curses.h"... |
| 22:04.37 | wpg_guard | AFAIK, the only rules I have (other than outbound NAT) is the inbound port forward. IE: Connect to my linux box on a certain port, say 80, and it should forward to an internal machine on some other given port (say 66). |
| 22:04.39 | hackeron | linuxfreck: that's exactly what I want :) |
| 22:04.46 | Flooda | and i do an apt-cache search to see what i have to install, and it returns nothing |
| 22:04.53 | sgeigerbot | slaphappy: That's not the security form of knoppix. That's called Knoppix-STD. There are *many* derivatives of Knoppix, and even thought they sometimes borrow the name, they aren't part of the Knoppix project. |
| 22:04.56 | entplex | MSG slaphappy how do u tell the difference of the two, it loaded kde |
| 22:05.31 | entplex | well can i write to a ntfs ? |
| 22:05.33 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Yes, you are right...apparenlty those CDs weren't blanks. Thanks. |
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| 22:05.59 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: so you think when i launch xterm from an xterm, it internally gives it a --geometry argument? |
| 22:06.00 | entplex | or is it not possibale through knoppiox? |
| 22:06.01 | wpg_guard | slaphappy: ie a rule given by something like this: |
| 22:06.12 | fungku | anyone know a good site for seeing what to compile into the 2.4 kernel for a good nat setup? |
| 22:06.27 | slaphappy | Guard:hmmm...check the rules and change it not to default to see if you can get through. Then retry the port forward on designated port. |
| 22:06.41 | Dice | how would I go about enabling the imapd server (its uw) to accept plaintext passwords? I tried dpkg-reconfigure already, but to no avail? |
| 22:06.46 | sgeigerbot | unixfool`: I'm not sure how it works, but I thought the info I was giving you would get you what you wanted. |
| 22:06.49 | slaphappy | Guard: also make sure that there is no firewall on the target that is blocking the port. |
| 22:06.54 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i see.. hehe.. anyone who doesnt want to remember all their friend's bday is lazy. (= |
| 22:07.10 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: what about using sendmail module in perl? |
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| 22:07.31 | elmig | what's the best place for info about creating .debs ? |
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| 22:07.33 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: hmm. it gives me an idea how to do it myself, which is useful, just wondered if anyone knew how/when/where it was already being done. :_) |
| 22:07.33 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: ask in #perl |
| 22:07.37 | beck | is it possible to the community to request permission to include new packages to debian releases ? |
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| 22:07.49 | entplex | Slaphappy: did u say there was a commaned to mount the drive, so i could write to it? |
| 22:07.49 | beck | hi xeam :P |
| 22:07.53 | wpg_guard | slaphappy: Do you figure that maybe one of the default rules are blocking me? |
| 22:07.56 | beck | i made a new cryptographic algorithm for sockets and file encryption , is a stream cipher with steganography and own routines like random number generators |
| 22:07.57 | sgeigerbot | unixfool`: #xfree86 or some such channel would be a better place to ask |
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| 22:08.04 | unixfool` | sgeigerbot: thx |
| 22:08.05 | unixfool` | :) |
| 22:08.36 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: I was just making a poor attempt at humor is all: security version of Knoppix = blank CD. Not really so damn funny now I re-read it. |
| 22:08.36 | slaphappy | Guard: Sounds like it. Also check the connections and logs on the target box. |
| 22:08.54 | deadcat | Justin_: ya. the buildint php mail function. does it send directly like sgeigerbot said? |
| 22:08.58 | slaphappy | Entplex: Not sure if you are using the Knoppix desktop. Sorry mate. |
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| 22:09.12 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Oh, I thought you were helping me with my cdrecord issue... You had the right answer, even though you were a few minutes too late. |
| 22:09.26 | elmig | what's the best #channel to ask for help on creating .debs ? |
| 22:09.42 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Put your PHP mail code up against a teergrube and find out. |
| 22:09.42 | entplex | is there any way to tell? |
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| 22:09.46 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: wow, first time I've been right about anything all day, and it's completely by accident :) |
| 22:09.53 | unixfool` | elmig: #debian-devel? |
| 22:10.00 | elmig | thancks |
| 22:10.02 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: dont know php yet. (=. i am gonna do it in perl first. |
| 22:10.11 | slaphappy | Entplex: Are you trying to mount a partition on the same drive or a different hd altogether? |
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| 22:10.18 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Dude, it's done already....just install it. |
| 22:10.32 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hehee.. is that the place you work for? |
| 22:10.54 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: In the future, if you want to express something funny in #debian, consult me first. |
| 22:11.06 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: yep. |
| 22:11.12 | [Elvis|Home] | Hi, I'm trying to start a bash script at boot...can someone help me? |
| 22:11.17 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: cant believe they give away laptops. (= |
| 22:11.17 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: yassum, massah :> |
| 22:11.30 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: what? |
| 22:11.41 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: which place are you talking about? |
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| 22:12.14 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: nevermind. the link you gave me eariler.. |
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| 22:12.59 | rattusrattus | hail all. pain in the ass question I know but I want to buy a laptop. Anyone know of a manufacture with full debian support (I will settle for all drivers with open source code but not binaries)? |
| 22:12.59 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: what makes you think they give away laptops? We have laptops...yes... |
| 22:12.59 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: you said they gave you one. |
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| 22:13.20 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I am using several as if they were my own...and when these get old, they will buy new ones. |
| 22:13.22 | paul | im trying to set up virtualhosts with apache-ssl so i have an administrative area and a webmail area... but the two seem to over lap and cancle eachother out when i set it up like i do with apache... what might i be missing to stop this? |
| 22:13.25 | {xmb} | what was the way to compile a specific package out of a bigger src tree via debian/rules |
| 22:13.30 | {xmb} | morning paul |
| 22:13.33 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I said that IBM gave us laptops. |
| 22:13.47 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Besides, laptops are cheap. |
| 22:13.56 | cafuego | rattusrattus: What are you willing to spend? |
| 22:13.58 | paul | {xmb}, morning? its 4 here.. think you have the wrong paul |
| 22:13.59 | deadcat | hehehe |
| 22:14.11 | {xmb} | oh, maybe :) |
| 22:14.21 | {xmb} | 11:14 pm here |
| 22:14.29 | sgeigerbot | paul: apachectl configtest ...and look at /var/log/syslog |
| 22:14.31 | rattusrattus | Idealy less than £1200 but upto £1500 |
| 22:14.51 | cafuego | rattusrattus: Have a look at Toshiba/IBM then. |
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| 22:15.30 | djw | how does cd buring work with an atapi interface? |
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| 22:15.50 | cafuego | djw: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 |
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| 22:16.14 | djw | cafuego: ah, thanks, is that in the docs? |
| 22:16.19 | cafuego | djw: Yep |
| 22:16.20 | rattusrattus | yea both have good reps and I have seen people using them with deb. but the problem seams to be model specific hardware. I need to know what models work, what periferals play ball etc. etc. |
| 22:16.20 | bit | anyone know why files=$(find .) would create a scalar instead of an array variable in bash? |
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| 22:17.05 | cafuego | rattusrattus: make sure it's not a Centrino and take care with the videoc ard, the rest will work fine (except maybe the winmodem, but who needs that anyway) |
| 22:17.21 | ludwig | bit: isn't $(..) equivalent to `..` in bash? |
| 22:17.24 | djw | cafuego: how can you identify which device is which using ATAPI? |
| 22:17.35 | cafuego | djw: with -scanbus |
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| 22:17.43 | cafuego | djw: cdrecord dev-ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 22:17.50 | cafuego | s/-/=/ |
| 22:17.58 | RainbowW | Is there a faq or howto for getting alsa running under 2.6.0? Both alsa and oss are failing -- with alsa, I get no errors but also no output (card is on in alsamixer), same with oss. test app is xmms. |
| 22:18.00 | djw | cafuego: ah, I was about to say that I get loads of scsi errors with scanbus |
| 22:18.15 | paul | sgeigerbot, says the config is ok... but when i load apache ssl it says warm _default_ virtualhost overlap on port 443 the first has precedence...? |
| 22:18.28 | djw | cafuego: menh, cdrecord.mmap: Badly placed option. Global options must be before any track. |
| 22:18.33 | rattusrattus | cheers |
| 22:18.41 | cafuego | rattusrattus: I bought a new laptop not long ago and the main problem is the video card; it can't run X on 2.4 and doesn't do 3D yet. Mind you, it's a cheap one. |
| 22:18.48 | bit | ludwid: I think so, but shouldn't `` also create an array var? |
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| 22:18.55 | cafuego | It works very well indeed on 2.6 :-) |
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| 22:19.06 | Menacer | So ... with utility of debian should i use to generate a bootdisk ? |
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| 22:19.26 | steve123 | hello, i don't understant cause i'v mounted my usb key, it is visible while i reach it in the pty but not whit gmc. Do you know what that mean ? |
| 22:19.34 | Menacer | which* |
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| 22:20.01 | cafuego | steve123: Check the directory mode/ownership. |
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| 22:20.04 | Menacer | so ? |
| 22:20.21 | songpenguin | Hi, is there anything I need to know before buying a USB XD card reader? |
| 22:20.22 | Menacer | there is an utility for generating floppys in debian right ? |
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| 22:20.24 | cafuego | Menacer: 'cat' - 'cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/fd0' |
| 22:20.34 | pneumo | Menacer: mkboot |
| 22:20.39 | cafuego | Menacer: Same for foo.bin floppy images |
| 22:20.41 | hackeron | linuxfreck: yup, hard fixed it :) |
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| 22:20.45 | steve123 | cafuego : i did it and everything is ok i don't get any error msg. |
| 22:20.51 | rattusrattus | yea - the issue is I will want to fully load the device (and yes I will need the modem), I will want audio (but only for fun) will need the 100mbit NIC and wireless g NIC card and will want as big a screen, fast a processor and as much RAM as I can get.... |
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| 22:21.00 | Menacer | cafuego: would that actually wokr ? what about the boot sector ? |
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| 22:21.11 | Menacer | cafuego: shouldnt i do lilo -M /dev/fd0u1440 ? |
| 22:21.21 | pneumo | Menacer: you can run lilo on a floppy |
| 22:21.30 | cafuego | Menacer: No, just cat works fine. But not with an initrd kernel. |
| 22:21.49 | rattusrattus | and to keep some of our customers happy I will need to duel boot into 'doze xp ahhhhh |
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| 22:21.50 | cafuego | rattusrattus: *nod* mine's dual boot. |
| 22:21.53 | pneumo | Menacer: just tell it to install to /dev/fd0 instead of hda |
| 22:21.56 | modus | I'm in a bad situation. While using dselect to upgrade my kernel from 2.2x (woody standard) to 2.4.26-586 I somehow wiped out the old kernel without installing the new one. How do I pull a fresh 2.2 kernel from the network, before I worry about the new one? |
| 22:21.56 | slaphappy | Guard: You still there or did you leave? |
| 22:22.05 | Menacer | cafuego: so .... what options do i have mean the floppy has to be bootable |
| 22:22.06 | fungku | sellin linux loaded machines, that was a bitch\ |
| 22:22.14 | songpenguin | How do you mount a USB hardisk? is there a special module that i need? |
| 22:22.15 | cafuego | rattusrattus: I'm told there's a linmodem driver for mine, but I've not bothered. |
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| 22:22.20 | Menacer | pneumo: isnt for me, it is for something that im doing for some people |
| 22:22.37 | cafuego | Menacer: if the kernel doesn't need an initrd image, justc at it to the floppy device. |
| 22:22.38 | Menacer | So i would like to make an script ... to generate floppys |
| 22:22.48 | RainbowW | modus: dselect for kernel-image ... pick the right one. |
| 22:22.49 | Menacer | cafuego: no it doesnt |
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| 22:23.01 | slaphappy | Modus: do you have the original install cd's? |
| 22:23.04 | Menacer | Damn and i dont have a floppy drive to test it ... |
| 22:23.05 | cafuego | songpenguin: usb-storage/sd_mod |
| 22:23.10 | Menacer | It burned ... |
| 22:23.25 | Menacer | So i need something _SAFE_ that works |
| 22:23.36 | sgeigerbot | paul: Something makes me want to say you can have only one ssl virtual host with apache-ssl... |
| 22:23.42 | steve123 | i don't understand because i can browse through the directories of my usbkey with a console but not in gmc. No no answer for me ? |
| 22:23.43 | songpenguin | cafuego: thanks, that will work with a usb-moddable cardreader too wont it? |
| 22:23.47 | pneumo | Menacer: man mkboot |
| 22:23.53 | cafuego | rattusrattus: If you shop with half an eye on www.linux-laptop.net you should be right. |
| 22:24.08 | cafuego | songpenguin: Unless it's a really shitty datafab one, sure. |
| 22:24.14 | Menacer | I just want to know how could it do that without a particular tool |
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| 22:24.26 | modus | I'm using a Knoppix rescue cd -- can't get dselect to work though. "dselect: unable to open/create access method lockfile" |
| 22:24.27 | aw | can someone give me directions as to how to set up NAT only, (not firewall)? |
| 22:24.27 | songpenguin | cafuego: thanks alot |
| 22:24.46 | Menacer | cafuego: is it then cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/fd0u1440 ? or you mean cat /boot/vmlinuz >/mnt/floppy ? |
| 22:24.48 | ljlane | modus, try #knoppix |
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| 22:24.58 | pneumo | Menacer: well if you are not able to read the man page, figure out what it does, and do it yourself i would just forget it anyway. examples are always good. |
| 22:25.01 | cafuego | Menacer: cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/fd0 |
| 22:25.03 | cafuego | Just that |
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| 22:25.05 | rattusrattus | cafuego - thanks that would be a good start point |
| 22:25.06 | tarzeau | modus: thank you for your email |
| 22:25.13 | cafuego | I never mentioned fd01440 |
| 22:25.19 | tarzeau | modus: jenny=tarzeau, don't be mad if i can't reply soon |
| 22:25.21 | Menacer | fd0u1440 == fd0 |
| 22:25.22 | aad | hey everyone |
| 22:25.25 | tranzoo | anyone familiar w/ parted? |
| 22:25.25 | paul | sgeigerbot, ok... then why does that one virtual host overlap the document root? |
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| 22:25.33 | tarzeau | tranzoo: yep, it's cool |
| 22:25.34 | tranzoo | what does unrecongized disk label mean? |
| 22:25.36 | mz | hello |
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| 22:25.41 | mz | tarzeau! |
| 22:25.42 | cafuego | ls: /dev/fd01440: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.53 | Menacer | cafuego: fd0u1440 |
| 22:25.54 | tranzoo | i have a drive who's partation table went bad |
| 22:25.56 | tarzeau | mz? do i know you? |
| 22:26.00 | tranzoo | its on /dev/hdb |
| 22:26.05 | tranzoo | the rescue drive is on /dev/hda |
| 22:26.05 | mz | tarzeau: maze #linuxhelp @ IRCNet |
| 22:26.10 | aad | just need to know where i can download the debian 3.0 rev2 cd iso's ?? first timer in debian, i tried the debian website, but it lists all rev1 locations |
| 22:26.11 | tarzeau | mz: MAZE!!!!!!! |
| 22:26.16 | mz | (: |
| 22:26.17 | mz | dude |
| 22:26.18 | modus | ljlane: but my system is debian woody -- I'm only using knoppix as a rescue CD. Should I still take it to #knoppix? |
| 22:26.20 | tranzoo | so i dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda |
| 22:26.25 | Menacer | brw-rw---- 1 root 11 2, 28 May 14 1996 /dev/fd0u1440 |
| 22:26.25 | tarzeau | mz: how are you? how long haven't i seen you damn, where did you go? |
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| 22:26.33 | songpenguin | cafuego: I can't find the option to compile the module usb-storage into my kernel! |
| 22:26.34 | cafuego | Menacer: Yes, different minor node number, thus not the same. |
| 22:26.35 | tranzoo | but parted gives me that error on any opertion i try on either drive |
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| 22:26.50 | tranzoo | tarzeau: any ideas? |
| 22:26.51 | cafuego | songpenguin: It's under USB support |
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| 22:26.53 | modus | tarzeau: hi jenny |
| 22:26.54 | ljlane | modus, probably not |
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| 22:27.06 | steve123 | i ok i did it the right command was : mount -o uid=userid -t partitiontype /dev/... /... |
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| 22:27.08 | cafuego | songpenguin: You need to enable scsi support first, I expect. |
| 22:27.11 | steve123 | thx |
| 22:27.17 | bit | i guess the question is, how would one create an array in bash with the output from a command (such as find .) |
| 22:27.19 | Menacer | cafuego: so just that ok i hope that it works because i cannot test it |
| 22:27.25 | ljlane | aw: running stable, testing or unstable? |
| 22:27.27 | Menacer | i really hope so |
| 22:27.28 | tarzeau | tranzoo: what's the problem with what filesystem? |
| 22:27.29 | mz | tarzeau: I started to study, smoked too much weed, got in trouble... but now I have my own appartment in the city, got a nice girl and still study |
| 22:27.30 | songpenguin | cafuego: i'll try it |
| 22:27.35 | pneumo | bit: try #bash |
| 22:27.36 | disc0_stu | i'm trying to install eclipse into a sarge/sid system and it's telling me that java isn't installable. I already have installed the sun 1.4.2 jdk -- how do I tell apt/dpkg that I already have java (that the dependency is fufilled)? |
| 22:27.39 | modus | ljlane: how do i get dselect to work? are you familiar with that error? |
| 22:27.40 | tarzeau | mz: photo? |
| 22:27.44 | mz | I get an error with apt-get upgrade ; it says: Setting up debconf (1.4.0) ...\n--output-fd: unknown option |
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| 22:27.47 | aw | ljlane: unstable |
| 22:27.53 | mz | tarzeau: http://freecode.eu.org/tmp/mz.jpeg ? |
| 22:28.01 | tarzeau | mz: gah! of the girl! ;) |
| 22:28.05 | tranzoo | tarzeau: there's filesystem problem /dev/hdb partition table is unreable |
| 22:28.11 | aad | just need to know where i can download the debian 3.0 rev2 cd iso's ?? first timer in debian, i tried the debian website, but it lists all rev1 locations |
| 22:28.15 | ljlane | aw: there's an example in /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:28.17 | modus | ljlane: "dselect: unable to open/create access method lockfile" |
| 22:28.19 | tranzoo | tarzeau: i mean no filesystem problem |
| 22:28.23 | mz | tarzeau: ah, http://doolhofje.deviantart.com |
| 22:28.36 | tarzeau | tranzoo: calm down! what happened to the partition table? what fs was there? do you know gpart (it guesses partition tables, maybe) |
| 22:28.57 | ljlane | modus, I'm not familiar with it. Is everything mounted read/write? |
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| 22:29.35 | tranzoo | tarzeau: yea i tried gparted but it gave strange output i can paste in #flood if you want, i don't know what happened to the partition table, i left over the weekend came back home and all of it sudden it couldn't read it |
| 22:29.42 | tranzoo | the fs was ext2 |
| 22:29.44 | cafuego | Oh no! Goths!!! |
| 22:29.52 | tarzeau | tranzoo: umf! what says dmesg? |
| 22:29.54 | songpenguin | cafuego: Thanks, you do need SCSI support and I found it. |
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| 22:29.58 | tarzeau | tranzoo: do you use autofs? |
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| 22:30.02 | paul | whats wrong with my apache-ssl config if i can't go domain.org/webmail but can go domain.org/webmail/ |
| 22:30.03 | {xmb} | morning tar |
| 22:30.09 | mfbian | ext2fs sucks! |
| 22:30.14 | topgun98 | I'm going to get shot for saying this, but I can't think of another way to find out: How can I set something to execute each time X loads? I wrote a bash script that does what I need, I just need to execute it each time X loads. |
| 22:30.15 | tarzeau | hi {xmb} guets nois, wie gohts? |
| 22:30.17 | tranzoo | tarzeau: yes i use autofs, dmesg gives weird disk message |
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| 22:30.20 | Covener | paul: add another alias probably |
| 22:30.20 | cafuego | songpenguin: Whilst you're there, enable scsi disk support too. |
| 22:30.22 | tarzeau | mfbian: no it doesn't |
| 22:30.38 | songpenguin | cafuego: already did |
| 22:30.39 | tarzeau | tranzoo: i've lost some data too, then some more! (all inodes of a parition) |
| 22:30.39 | tranzoo | tarzeau: i'll paste dmesg in to #flood |
| 22:30.40 | aw | ljlane: thanks i will check it out. |
| 22:30.41 | cafuego | good |
| 22:30.44 | mfbian | why linux use ext2fs?? |
| 22:30.46 | tarzeau | tranzoo: no i don't want to see, sorry |
| 22:30.54 | pneumo | topgun98: man xsession |
| 22:30.56 | tarzeau | mfbian: better than fat, isn't it? |
| 22:30.58 | modus | ljlane: that's part of the problem, i think. i mounted /dev/hda2 as swap, but 'swapon' gives error: '/dev/hda2: device or resource busy' |
| 22:30.58 | paul | Covener, naw.. i think there is a key for apache to complete the / or something... |
| 22:31.00 | {xmb} | es gaht so, sueche vergablich hilf da |
| 22:31.04 | topgun98 | pneumo: thanks! |
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| 22:31.11 | tarzeau | {xmb}: #linux.ch |
| 22:31.18 | mfbian | tarzeau: but it's only better than fat, no better than anything else |
| 22:31.21 | tarzeau | {xmb}: #debian.de what's the problem? |
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| 22:31.25 | aw | ljlane: my problem is that I have network adapters, and don't need firewall. If i set up firewall I can't access one of the networks. Will nat only help me solve this? |
| 22:31.26 | mfbian | tarzeau: it's better than worst |
| 22:31.33 | tarzeau | mfbian: it's better than ntfs too! |
| 22:31.44 | ljlane | modus: swap isn't normally mounted, just turned on |
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| 22:32.01 | mfbian | i doubt it |
| 22:32.02 | ljlane | aw: I don't know. |
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| 22:32.31 | aw | ljlane: ok, thanks! |
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| 22:32.52 | MivaBe | any one here had a problem with DHCPCD, |
| 22:32.53 | MivaBe | ? |
| 22:32.59 | modus | ljlane: exactly. that error is for 'swapon /dev/hda2' not for 'mount' -- but i think it's got something to do with read/write permission, possibly? |
| 22:33.01 | mfbian | isc-dhcpd |
| 22:33.05 | mfbian | it's great |
| 22:33.16 | mfbian | very easy to config |
| 22:33.19 | Justin_ | !tell MivaBe about polls |
| 22:33.23 | MivaBe | dont know, mine seem to idle out after some time |
| 22:33.34 | RoNiS | hi, i'm having a problem: when i try to logout on tty1, it logouts quickly, but in the others consoles it takes a lot of time! does anyone know how i can solve it? |
| 22:33.41 | modus | ljlane: i mounted /dev/hda3 to /mnt/hda3 |
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| 22:33.56 | ljlane | modus, doubtful. r/w is a mount thing, not swap. |
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| 22:34.21 | modus | ljlane: but it may be read-only. how do i make sure it mounts rw? |
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| 22:34.50 | duity | apt find aspell |
| 22:34.52 | MivaBe | now the weird things is, just tryed this. When loged in from ssh and on teminal, when you on both do ifup eth1 it will work till 1 off the ifup's times out. then it closed inet connection agan. |
| 22:35.01 | MivaBe | if you singly do if up you dont get a ip |
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| 22:35.27 | mojo | what is a program that you can setup on cron or something that will update your system clock with a internet time clock? |
| 22:35.34 | RoNiS | another question: is reiserfs a good file system? |
| 22:35.38 | modus | ljlane: okay, forget about the swap, i might not need it. i think i have to chroot from the knoppix cd to /mnt/hda3 ... does that make sense? |
| 22:35.40 | Justin_ | MivaBe: what you just said makes no sense at all |
| 22:35.42 | tarzeau | mojo: rdate or ntp |
| 22:35.42 | duity | erm... anyone know why aspell is not in stable ? |
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| 22:35.54 | ljlane | modus, yes, it does |
| 22:35.55 | MivaBe | Justin_ can i pm ? |
| 22:35.56 | mojo | ok thanks |
| 22:35.58 | tarzeau | mojo: www.linuks.mine.nu/rdate/ |
| 22:35.59 | Justin_ | no |
| 22:36.02 | MivaBe | ^_^ |
| 22:36.06 | RainbowW | Is there a faq or howto for getting alsa running under 2.6.0? Both alsa and oss are failing -- with alsa, I get no errors but also no output (card is on in alsamixer), same with oss. test app is xmms. |
| 22:36.08 | tarzeau | mojo: that's probably what you want, see the manual page for details |
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| 22:36.20 | djw | why the hell is my 2.6.0 kernel going in a loop telling me that cdrom: open failed on booting up |
| 22:36.22 | MivaBe | i like clear awnsers :) |
| 22:36.24 | mojo | ok thanks |
| 22:36.34 | modus | should i unmount hda3 and remount it r/w? |
| 22:36.39 | djw | and now it's stuck in what seems an infinit loop |
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| 22:37.13 | madness | RainbowW: mixer by default is set to mute with alsa |
| 22:37.15 | pneumo | RainbowW: maybe run alsamizer and make sure volume is raised and master and pcm are unmuted |
| 22:37.18 | modus | ljlane: rephrasing -- how do i unmount /mnt/hda3 and remount it rw? |
| 22:37.29 | pneumo | RainbowW: s/alsamizer/alsamixer |
| 22:37.41 | ljlane | modus, try this: mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda3 |
| 22:37.42 | MivaBe | cant explain it i gues... it's just a weird error. And my gues is it's or my dhcp or my provider that dun like Debian :( |
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| 22:38.13 | slaphappy | Later all...Gotta clean up the storm damage... |
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| 22:38.33 | RainbowW | madness and pneumo: alsamixer is unmuted. |
| 22:38.56 | MivaBe | Aww : collisions:126278 on eth1 |
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| 22:39.06 | entplex | does anyone know how to edit the grub.conf file, inorder to remove a boot selection? |
| 22:39.30 | tarzeau | .conf ? |
| 22:39.35 | tarzeau | entplex: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 22:39.41 | tarzeau | entplex: just remove the menu.list |
| 22:39.42 | entplex | k |
| 22:39.45 | tarzeau | or .lst |
| 22:39.47 | tarzeau | see my example |
| 22:39.58 | pneumo | entplex: yes. switch to lilo. :) |
| 22:40.06 | tarzeau | or you want a menu or shell? no selection set timer on 0 |
| 22:40.06 | sgeigerbot | MivaBe: Hmmm...I know some collisions are normal...but a few of my machines don't have them right now. |
| 22:40.13 | tarzeau | pneumo: NOOO |
| 22:40.13 | entplex | i wanna rid of it |
| 22:40.15 | tarzeau | pneumo: he can't boot the Hurd anymore with lilo |
| 22:40.20 | MivaBe | sgeigerbot my eth0 has NULL |
| 22:40.22 | fooz | you won't have (many) collisions if you use a switch |
| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | entplex: you have no idea! |
| 22:40.29 | MivaBe | witch is a 100m/bit |
| 22:40.39 | pneumo | Hurd? |
| 22:40.44 | fooz | if you use a hub with more than two machines, you will |
| 22:40.47 | tarzeau | apt hurd |
| 22:40.49 | | i guess hurd is http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html |
| 22:40.49 | tarzeau | dpkg hurd |
| 22:40.50 | dpkg | wish i knew, tarzeau |
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| 22:40.59 | sgeigerbot | paul: When you are doing ssl, it's probably not a good idea to overlap.. Why do they overlap? Are you serving the same directory from two sites? |
| 22:41.00 | tarzeau | apt hurd is also #hurd |
| 22:41.04 | | ACTION beats is also #hurd over the head with a microkernel |
| 22:41.04 | pneumo | i thought that was some experimental thing |
| 22:41.04 | entplex | no i wanna get rid of any boot loader, i want the windows one, im makeing dedicate linux box |
| 22:41.04 | modus | ljlane: still there? i think 'mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda3' worked. now how do i chroot? do i have to mount /proc first? |
| 22:41.13 | tarzeau | interesting |
| 22:41.23 | fooz | ethernet's based on collisions. they're natural. just try to minimize them if you want good performance |
| 22:41.27 | pneumo | entplex: load a dos boot floppy and do fdisk /mbr |
| 22:41.38 | songpenguin | dpkg: you know dpkg is the name of a bot in this room so it will be hard form anyone to msg you! |
| 22:41.39 | dpkg | songpenguin: what are you talking about? |
| 22:41.39 | entplex | does that format the whole disk? |
| 22:41.42 | paul | sgeigerbot, no im not sure why they overlap im just serving subdomain's from the same server |
| 22:41.44 | sgeigerbot | fooz: how does one minimize them? |
| 22:41.55 | fooz | use switches.. make sure everything runs the same speed.. etc |
| 22:41.57 | pneumo | entplex: no, just puts on windows default boot loader over MBR |
| 22:42.01 | MivaBe | lol, me not here with a colision problem :) uptime of that eth is just quite high so there for the high number off colisions |
| 22:42.03 | sgeigerbot | paul: did you do configtest and look at the logs? |
| 22:42.04 | songpenguin | dpkg: dpkg is a name of a bot |
| 22:42.05 | dpkg | okay, songpenguin |
| 22:42.05 | entplex | k coo |
| 22:42.08 | modus | tarzeau: i think 'mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda3' worked, thanks to ljlane. now how do i chroot? do i have to mount /proc first? |
| 22:42.14 | ljlane | modus: don't really recall if that's necessary. The usual way to handle things is point the bootup at your normal root partition. |
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| 22:42.17 | songpenguin | dpkg: np |
| 22:42.17 | dpkg | songpenguin: wish i knew |
| 22:42.35 | tarzeau | modus: chroot /mnt/hda3 ? no idea what you want to do |
| 22:42.40 | ljlane | modus, that's setting root= with grub |
| 22:42.44 | songpenguin | dpkg: it's a useforl bot, it hands out files that are like manfiles |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | songpenguin: what are you talking about? |
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| 22:42.56 | Azhrarn | mount proc after you enter the chroot |
| 22:43.01 | fooz | I have no collisions.. unfortunately I have some overruns |
| 22:43.08 | fooz | all my intel and 3com nics are dying slowly on me |
| 22:43.25 | songpenguin | dpkg: try it, it's very useful |
| 22:43.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, songpenguin |
| 22:43.26 | ljlane | tarzeau, rescue CD for a broken kernel. He's doing it the hard way though. Maybe you have a doc around to assist him. |
| 22:43.42 | fooz | lots of kernel errors, resets, framing errors |
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| 22:44.05 | modus | ljlane: okay, but there is no kernel in /mnt/hda3/boot -- i don't know where it went or how to get a new one, but somehow dselect not only failed to install the new 2.4x kernel but also apparently wiped out my old 2.2x one. |
| 22:44.09 | tarzeau | ljlane: no i had that too and i lost 20gb data which i still couldn't recover, i don't want to hear do anything with such things (atleast for the next 6 months) |
| 22:44.09 | songpenguin | I'm talking to a bot! how stupid!!! |
| 22:44.25 | MivaBe | lol |
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| 22:44.37 | sgeigerbot | songpenguin: what are you talking about? |
| 22:44.38 | tarzeau | ljlane: remember i overwrote my inodes (data still around), 15minutes to recover my private key, manually using lde |
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| 22:44.52 | MivaBe | i'l try to explain agan... |
| 22:44.54 | Sebulba02 | is that better or worse than talking to yourself? |
| 22:45.24 | ljlane | tarzeau, took me much longer to recover ssh and gpg keys from a rm-rf'd 4GB ext3 /home |
| 22:45.33 | sgeigerbot | Sebulba02: worse; botsturbation can make you go blind. |
| 22:45.47 | songpenguin | Sebulba02: almost as bad |
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| 22:45.51 | fooz | ack |
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| 22:45.56 | tarzeau | ljlane: how did you? lde? |
| 22:45.57 | fooz | don't delete /home :) |
| 22:46.00 | BlakeRG | how could i compare the time stamps on 2 sets of files and see which ones differ? |
| 22:46.06 | ljlane | modus, there are general instructions for booting in rescue mode. I just don't know them offhand. |
| 22:46.10 | zeo33x | usb mouse isnt working in 2.6.0, what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:46.12 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: how can you recover anything from ext3? It's journalled.. |
| 22:46.14 | MivaBe | when i do 2 times on to shell 'ifup eth1' it wil bring up corect eth1 for the duration that one of the shell 'ifup' commands times out. the network eth1 seems after a few days to loos it's dhcp setting so it needs repuch witch not work automatic it seems. |
| 22:46.24 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, dug through /dev/sda9 |
| 22:46.31 | modus | tarzeau: i have a debian install CD, but for some reason it won't boot either (don't ask me why!) besides, that's just the minimal netinstall cd, and i don't want to lose everything on the drive. i've been able to use a knoppix cd as a rescue disc, but don't know how to get a working kernel image without a working dselect. |
| 22:46.37 | ljlane | tarzeau, I used dd and some ruby scripts |
| 22:46.39 | MivaBe | aww proberbly dont undertandeble as well |
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| 22:46.46 | songpenguin | MivaBe: why don't you make pump a cron job? |
| 22:46.54 | MivaBe | pump ? |
| 22:47.12 | fooz | linux needs some snapshotting file system |
| 22:47.13 | tarzeau | ljlane: could your ruby scripts be helpful for anyone else? |
| 22:47.13 | songpenguin | MivaBe: it dhcp's you're ethernet cards |
| 22:47.18 | fooz | so it doesn't matter if you rm -rf something |
| 22:47.32 | tarzeau | fooz: and what about overwriting inodes?£ |
| 22:47.34 | MivaBe | songpenguin, only 1 eth |
| 22:47.39 | ljlane | tarzeau, not really. They were basically just regexp searches. |
| 22:47.41 | fooz | well that's what regular backups are for |
| 22:47.43 | modus | ljlane: i think the dselect error is happening because i am not using the dselect on the hd, but the one on the cd, which is read-only of course. |
| 22:47.47 | Justin_ | MivaBe: your question still doesn't make any sense |
| 22:47.57 | MivaBe | Justin_ , i figured... |
| 22:47.58 | ljlane | modus, I would imagine so. |
| 22:48.05 | mage_ | is it normal that ctype_alpha returns 1 if the string is empty ("") ? |
| 22:48.09 | songpenguin | MivaBe: so if the card loses it's dhcp settings after 2 days you can have cron setup the card's dhcp settings each night |
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| 22:48.14 | MivaBe | i'l say this ^_^ me a @Home user... |
| 22:48.15 | mfbian | i heard linux 2.6 is pretty good, is that true? |
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| 22:48.18 | mage_ | oops wron channel |
| 22:48.30 | tarzeau | mfbian: who said so? |
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| 22:48.39 | fooz | i like 2.6 |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | mfbian: i heard the Hurd is much better |
| 22:48.42 | fooz | so many features |
| 22:48.45 | MivaBe | and it seems thay changed somting so dhcp has a hard time re-getting a ip. |
| 22:48.51 | Justin_ | MivaBe: why are you running ifup eth1 twice |
| 22:48.52 | modus | ljlane: so if i can tweak my $PATH to point at the correct dselect, maybe it will work? |
| 22:49.01 | mfbian | tarzeau: some *nix benchmark site |
| 22:49.06 | Justin_ | MivaBe: why do you even have an eth1 |
| 22:49.11 | mfbian | tarzeau: 2.6 outperformance 2.4 |
| 22:49.15 | songpenguin | MivaBe: you might try using the card as eth0 instead of eth1. under linux numbers start at 0 |
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| 22:49.17 | helix | modus: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:49.20 | MivaBe | Justin_, then it seems to work for the duration that 1st ifup command times out on not getting a dhcp responce |
| 22:49.31 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: with lde, eh? |
| 22:49.37 | ljlane | modus, yes. But again, that's doing things the hard way. You need to boot in rescue fashion, using the kernel from the CD but with your normal bootup. |
| 22:49.42 | Justin_ | MivaBe: why are you running ifup at all in the first place? |
| 22:49.51 | helix | modus: nm, i see now :) |
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| 22:49.53 | MivaBe | so i can bring it down |
| 22:49.54 | modus | helix: *sigh* it's a long story |
| 22:49.58 | MivaBe | when i loos agan dhcp :( |
| 22:50.08 | KryQ | Why won't fluxbox save my settings ? |
| 22:50.09 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, I regexp'd through 200MB chunks carved with dd. |
| 22:50.16 | helix | modus: is the shortened version: "I fucked something up and have to use the rescue disk which is also fucked up"? |
| 22:50.17 | songpenguin | MivaBe: try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 22:50.21 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: lde doesn't mention that it supports ext3, but it probably does, as that is very similiar to ext2 |
| 22:50.37 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: nice. |
| 22:50.42 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, I worked on it as a huge file, not at the filesystem level |
| 22:50.48 | MivaBe | as when i loos corect ip, i get a weird trafic on eth1 requesting ip, but not getting any :( |
| 22:50.52 | KryQ | MivaBe: ifup eth0 / ifdown eth0 |
| 22:50.56 | modus | helix: so far, i booted a rescue cd, and fixed the networking so i can ssh, use links and bitchx |
| 22:50.58 | MivaBe | it seems to be my provider that cuasing this |
| 22:51.14 | songpenguin | MivaBe: that's possible |
| 22:51.25 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: Heck, you know, that sounds pretty easy actually. |
| 22:51.26 | helix | that would be enough computing power to last me the rest of my days.. except for the bitchx part ;P |
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| 22:51.36 | songpenguin | MivaBe: again, why don't you try making pump a daily cron job |
| 22:51.36 | MivaBe | also my Router say bye bye after 7 days.. not getting a renewed ip |
| 22:51.46 | modus | helix: but what's missing is everything in /boot (not only the new kernel image i was trying to install, but the old 2.2x woody kernel image too! |
| 22:51.51 | songpenguin | wait, you have a router? |
| 22:51.52 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, it is. I just had to find the formats for the files I needed. |
| 22:51.56 | helix | modus: oh, crap |
| 22:52.13 | helix | MivaBe: dude, sgeigerbot told you what it was about 5 minutes ago |
| 22:52.24 | Web52|Doochy | HI |
| 22:52.33 | modus | MivaBe: try '/sbin/pump eth0' or something very similar |
| 22:52.38 | ljlane | modus, there should be rescue instructions on the knoppix CD |
| 22:52.41 | songpenguin | MivaBe: if you have a router why don't you use a static IP for the LAN and a dynamic IP for the WAN?? |
| 22:53.02 | MivaBe | as router a bit sux :( |
| 22:53.04 | modus | MivaBe: you can also 'man pump' |
| 22:53.21 | MivaBe | awww No manual entry for pump |
| 22:53.22 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: So that you could figure out where the files started and ended, right? Where would you go to find out what a file's format should look like? |
| 22:53.27 | modus | ljlane: maybe i will scrounge around for those instructions. |
| 22:53.29 | songpenguin | MivaBe: or apt-get install pump |
| 22:53.38 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, exactly |
| 22:53.42 | songpenguin | MivaBe: then INSTALL IT |
| 22:54.02 | sgeigerbot | MivaBe: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 22:54.05 | MivaBe | that will remove dhcpcd |
| 22:54.08 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, uhh.. googled around, looked at samples from other systems |
| 22:54.32 | tarzeau | where is .pe ? |
| 22:54.39 | aroldan | peru |
| 22:54.39 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: Yeah, but what did you use to google? :-) That's unclear. |
| 22:54.50 | modus | MivaBe: of course if you can't get a dhcp address, you probably can't 'apt-get install pump' either. |
| 22:54.54 | sgeigerbot | ljlane: thanks for th einfo. this is good... |
| 22:54.58 | tarzeau | aroldan: thank you |
| 22:55.02 | aroldan | welcome |
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| 22:55.11 | helix | he should have dhclient though, right? |
| 22:55.14 | MivaBe | no no, if i do apt-get install pump it say in un install dhcpcd |
| 22:55.50 | modus | MivaBe: but wait, you ARE online, else how did you join this discussion? |
| 22:56.10 | MivaBe | jups as after 30min i got a ip agan.. witch i will loose agan in 5~7 days |
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| 22:56.52 | RobotBebop | hey |
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| 22:57.08 | modus | MivaBe: so, while you are online, just 'apt-get update; apt-get install pump' and then you can always get a new IP from your DHCP server! |
| 22:57.15 | songpenguin | MivaBe: why don't you just make a pump cron job or call your ISP? |
| 22:57.19 | Justin_ | MivaBe: you dont want dhcpcd |
| 22:57.20 | RobotBebop | i just got my old Debian Woody disc installed. |
| 22:57.36 | MivaBe | my isp dun support Linux/Routers and so |
| 22:57.38 | RobotBebop | i can't get my X server going now. |
| 22:57.52 | Justin_ | MivaBe: apt-get install -d dhcp3-client pump |
| 22:58.03 | Justin_ | MivaBe: then apt-get install dhcp3-client or apt-get install pump |
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| 22:58.18 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: ahh, same happened to me! make sure that you are using the right xfree86 driver |
| 22:58.19 | MivaBe | i will loos ip when doing that ? |
| 22:58.31 | sgeigerbot | MivaBe: I think I understand your problem: Your router is changing its IP every several days. In that case, if you want to get back to your LAN, you have to use dyndns.org or some similiar service. (You are going to have to be more specific if you want to get help online.) |
| 22:58.32 | RobotBebop | somepenguin: yah, i'm using the XFree86 nvidia GeForce driver. |
| 22:58.34 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: I use TDFX for my Voodo 3 |
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| 22:59.01 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: did you take a look at the logfile? |
| 22:59.06 | RobotBebop | nope. |
| 22:59.07 | tommyj | hello, when I try to use dual screen (using nvidia) and switch back to a VT my whole system hangs and is not responding at all, not at pings either. I'm running 2.6 kernel... |
| 22:59.17 | RobotBebop | might be a good idea tho. |
| 22:59.26 | RobotBebop | been a while since i've used linux |
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| 22:59.31 | Justin_ | tommyj: #nvidia ? |
| 22:59.33 | songpenguin | ok, some things that might be happening is there is no core pointer of keyboard |
| 22:59.40 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: perhaps a conflict with your video driver and the framebuffer. Perhaps disabling the framebuffer will fix things. |
| 22:59.52 | RobotBebop | songpenguin: the logfile is stored where? /home ? |
| 22:59.56 | bart | is this the appropriate channel for user questions? |
| 22:59.57 | MivaBe | sgeigerbot, it's hard to explain... my ifconfig show corect ip, but sniffing eth1 showing ip totaly difrent then i should have try arp questions and asking dhcp for a ip to get online agan. It looks like if dhcpcd gets the ip corect 1st time but cant seem to renew it's request |
| 22:59.58 | z|bandito | is there a way to get du to show something meaningful? ;0) i'm trying to clear up some space on this 4gb system, but stuff like du -hs | sort still spits out too much data to really be much use... --max-depth=1 seems a bit better, but any tips or favorites? |
| 22:59.59 | RobotBebop | er, /home/user |
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| 23:00.10 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: /var I think |
| 23:00.17 | RobotBebop | ah |
| 23:00.18 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: how to find out if one is in use: cat /proc/fb |
| 23:00.24 | Justin_ | z|bandito: du -acx / |sort -n |
| 23:00.42 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: It should ask you if you wan't to view it when the xserver fails |
| 23:00.53 | cleiton | please any help me with this HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 23:01.01 | Justin_ | cleiton: fix your kernel |
| 23:01.01 | sgeigerbot | MivaBe: you do not need a sniffer to figure out what your IP is. It sounds as if you don't know what you are doing. You need to be more specific when asking questions... |
| 23:01.07 | RobotBebop | songpenguin: what error did you get ? |
| 23:01.12 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: remember that debian does not support USB by default and needs to be compiled into the kernel |
| 23:01.23 | Justin_ | songpenguin: uh, no |
| 23:01.26 | RobotBebop | songpenguin: yah, i'm not using any USB input stuff. |
| 23:01.31 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: "no core pointer" |
| 23:01.31 | cleiton | Justin_: how |
| 23:01.37 | Justin_ | songpenguin: are you here for any other reason than to say incorrect things all day? |
| 23:01.47 | MivaBe | sgeigerbot, me n00b to nix, me can't realy explain what hapens as i have like no clue what and why it hapen. |
| 23:01.50 | sgeigerbot | z|bandito: du -cks |
| 23:01.53 | Justin_ | cleiton: enable support for your ide controller |
| 23:02.00 | songpenguin | Justin_: if you have a weird US controller tlike I do... |
| 23:02.08 | RobotBebop | songpenguin: it's saying that it can't find /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 23:02.16 | cleiton | erikd: Justin_ |
| 23:02.18 | Justin_ | RobotBebop: run tasksel and install X |
| 23:02.18 | cleiton | opa |
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| 23:02.35 | cleiton | Justin_: this is enable here |
| 23:02.37 | mrwoody | when i try to use uml with the filesystems on uml website, it always hangs on VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 23:02.40 | bd | I'm new to debian and am having trouble with apt-get. When I try to run it, it says "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem. then when I run dpkg --configure it finds that my mailman has been half-configured but it isn't able to finish the configuration. but mailman works fine. is there a way I can bypass this so apt-get works again? |
| 23:02.41 | sgeigerbot | z|bandito: sudo find / -size +3000k -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ls | sort -rn > /tmp/3+_mb_files_`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p` |
| 23:02.43 | RobotBebop | Justin: i thought i did. i'll go try that anyways. |
| 23:02.48 | Justin_ | cleiton: then it doesnt work |
| 23:02.49 | mrwoody | If i use devfs=mount it would hang on: Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 23:02.58 | z|bandito | holy toledo |
| 23:03.08 | z|bandito | thanks guys :) |
| 23:03.13 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: try apt-get install xserver-xfree86, it might not be fullt installed |
| 23:03.15 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: uh, man find :-) |
| 23:03.19 | patter | I've had some aptitude and dpkg crashes (naff compaq hardware) which have left me with this error when removing anything with apt-get: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 23:03.20 | sgeigerbot | z|bandito: What are some things that can be done to free up disk space? For one, you could do "apt-get clean" every once in a while to clean out /var/cache/apt (?) Also, look for core files, removed downloaded packages, sort command for finding disk hogs, du -s * | sort -rn ??? (or something like that) |
| 23:03.24 | RobotBebop | songpenguion: ah, ok. |
| 23:03.42 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: but anyways I have to run, ttyl, good luck |
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| 23:03.56 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: You don't like the way I handled "ls"? |
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| 23:03.59 | mrwoody | when i try to use uml with the filesystems on uml website, it always hangs on VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 23:04.02 | mrwoody | If i use devfs=mount it would hang on: Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 23:04.04 | patter | I've checked, and don't have any dpkg or aptitude processess running, any suggestions? |
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| 23:04.05 | RobotBebop | ok |
| 23:04.06 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: find -ls |
| 23:04.10 | Wad[Serv] | hello |
| 23:04.11 | RobotBebop | apt-get is .. uhm. apt-getting ? |
| 23:04.14 | exobyte | how can I remount / (root) to read-only? |
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| 23:04.41 | nerdyH | anyone know a source for an e1000 module compiled for bf24? |
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| 23:04.54 | Wad[Serv] | does anydone know where i can get suidperl? |
| 23:04.58 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: it's how debian installes things |
| 23:05.19 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: to search the database use apt-cache search whatever |
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| 23:05.39 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: so, like this: sudo find / -size +3000k -ls | sort -rn |
| 23:05.51 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: It seems to be working, at least... |
| 23:06.09 | nerdyH | Wad[Serv]: apt-get install perl-suid? |
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| 23:06.22 | Wad[Serv] | thats the package name |
| 23:06.30 | Wad[Serv] | i tried apt-get install suidperl :P |
| 23:06.32 | Wad[Serv] | thx |
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| 23:06.39 | mrwoody | does anyone use uml here and have problem to use the filesystems provided? |
| 23:06.39 | paul | how do i regenerate my apache-ssl certificuit and set a date so it won't expire for a long time? |
| 23:06.44 | nerdyH | Wad[Serv] dpkg -l '*suid* |
| 23:06.51 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: cat /proc/fb shows me nothing |
| 23:06.56 | Wad[Serv] | k |
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| 23:07.04 | nerdyH | Wad[Serv]: this is how to see all the packages with suid in the name |
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| 23:07.20 | Wad[Serv] | thanks :D |
| 23:07.24 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: though I have fb enabled in the kernel, but I don't know if it's enabled now or not... don't I have to pass some options to the kernel at boot time to enable fb? |
| 23:07.24 | arturaz_ | can dpkg be downloaded? |
| 23:07.24 | flan | I forgot where the sources file is located for apt-get can someone help me out |
| 23:07.29 | arturaz_ | i want source for dpkg bot :) |
| 23:07.33 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: The last I knew, that's how you wold check for it...you could also look for evidence of one in the .config file... *shrug* |
| 23:07.38 | Justin_ | flan: man apt-get ? |
| 23:07.39 | RobotBebop | Ooh |
| 23:07.42 | RobotBebop | hm |
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| 23:07.47 | nerdyH | Wad[Serv]: another useful thing to know about: the packages search at debian.org |
| 23:07.49 | RobotBebop | i remember doing that part of the install last time i installed debian |
| 23:07.54 | RobotBebop | it didn't do it this time.. |
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| 23:07.56 | Wad[Serv] | flan: /erc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:08.00 | Wad[Serv] | flan: /etrc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:08.01 | linuxfreck | arturaz_: blootbot.sf.net |
| 23:08.03 | RobotBebop | thanks somepenguin |
| 23:08.04 | Wad[Serv] | flan: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:08.06 | coco | hi guys |
| 23:08.08 | Wad[Serv] | my god i'm bad today :)( |
| 23:08.10 | nerdyH | Wad[Serv]: this would help, if for instance, you needed a program or file that was part of a package with a different name |
| 23:08.10 | arturaz_ | linuxfreck, cheers |
| 23:08.11 | Wad[Serv] | :O |
| 23:08.18 | Justin_ | Wad[Serv]: stop spoonfeeding for fucks sake |
| 23:08.19 | paulswm | Wad[Serv]: 3rd time lucky :) |
| 23:08.20 | flan | wad[serv] thanks |
| 23:08.27 | Wad[Serv] | exactly! |
| 23:08.43 | paulswm | Justin_: I was jut typing the path but then cancelled when I saw your reply :) |
| 23:08.44 | nerdyH | anyone know a source for an e1000 module compiled for bf24? |
| 23:08.52 | Wad[Serv] | nerdyH: thanks. i'm sure i can find it now :) |
| 23:09.01 | songpenguin | RobotBebop: np |
| 23:09.06 | Justin_ | its not like it isnt the _first_ file in the FILES section of the man page |
| 23:09.26 | bd | anybody know where dpkg keeps its log file? |
| 23:09.30 | coco | can someone tell me if jigdo will let me download an instalable debian-unstable set of CDs? |
| 23:09.37 | ljlane | bd: it doesn't |
| 23:09.37 | caphuso | bd: it doesn't have one |
| 23:09.41 | mrwoody | when i try to use user-mode-linux with the filesystems on uml website, it always hangs on VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 23:10.03 | bd | so then how do I troubleshoot it when it just hangs and refuses to configure a package? I'm stranded. |
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| 23:11.11 | Justin_ | bd: what is it doing |
| 23:11.16 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: I think you would have /proc/fb if the framebuffer were enabled. |
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| 23:11.48 | bd | Justin_ I run --configure a. it discovers that mailman isn't fully configured |
| 23:12.06 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: put vga=1 in lilo.conf and re-run /sbin/lilo. |
| 23:12.12 | Justin_ | you dont want to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:12.19 | archpollux | hey, can somebody tell if this is possible? i want to use SLIP with a USB serial converter |
| 23:12.25 | bd | then when it tries to configure, it finds that I've modified a file and asks me what to do. no matter what I tell it, after that it just hangs forever |
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| 23:12.40 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: I have /proc/fb but it's empty |
| 23:12.42 | Justin_ | er well, maybe thats ok...anyway |
| 23:12.47 | bd | Justin_: dpkg --configure -a is what I've been doing (and dselect) |
| 23:12.52 | archpollux | bd: is that foomatic? |
| 23:12.54 | Justin_ | bd: ps |
| 23:13.03 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: then disable it, as I just explained. |
| 23:13.04 | bd | what's foomatic? |
| 23:13.17 | Mave | bd: what's that package ? |
| 23:13.18 | archpollux | bda: nevermind then |
| 23:13.23 | bd | mailman |
| 23:13.30 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: ok. |
| 23:13.37 | Justin_ | bd: ps |
| 23:13.37 | coco | A newbe question: Can one install unstable from CDs? |
| 23:13.51 | KryQ | When i try to compile fluxbox it says i ain't got X but i got a fully working X. What is the problem ;| ? |
| 23:13.53 | archpollux | coco: well of course.. |
| 23:14.01 | Justin_ | KryQ: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 23:14.06 | archpollux | KryQ: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 23:14.13 | KryQ | archpollux: thx |
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| 23:14.38 | simonrvn | modconf: test |
| 23:14.38 | modconf | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 23:14.39 | coco | archpollux: but how do I get the CDs? Can jigdo be used? |
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| 23:14.50 | bd | Justin_: 0:00 /bin/sh -e /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailman.postinst configure 2.1.3-1 |
| 23:14.50 | bd | root 22898 0.1 0.0 0 0 pts/2 Z 17:55 0:02 [dpkg <defunct>] |
| 23:14.50 | bd | root 22899 0.0 3.6 5808 4616 pts/2 T 17:55 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailman.postinst configure 2.1.3-1 |
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| 23:14.59 | simonrvn | .... |
| 23:15.01 | RobotBebop | hmm. |
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| 23:15.52 | archpollux | coco: yes |
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| 23:15.58 | RobotBebop | what command is it to start debian's XF86 Config ? |
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| 23:16.01 | RobotBebop | debconf ? |
| 23:16.01 | simonrvn | bd: don't paste in here |
| 23:16.08 | archpollux | coco: go to www.debian.org/CD and read the instructions |
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| 23:16.16 | simonrvn | RobotBebop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:16.21 | RobotBebop | ok, thanks |
| 23:16.22 | coco | archpollux: please, I ask cause in the jigdo page it says that testing and unstable images aren't bootable, just for upgrade |
| 23:16.25 | bd | sorry |
| 23:16.42 | simonrvn | @tell bd about flood |
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| 23:16.43 | KryQ | archpollux: Worked like a charm :D |
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| 23:16.57 | archpollux | KryQ: cool |
| 23:17.03 | archpollux | coco: g2g |
| 23:17.07 | RobotBebop | apparently the 'nv' driver doesn't support GeForce4 |
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| 23:17.20 | tarzeau | bkw: happy neeeww yeaaar! |
| 23:17.25 | coco | archpollux: what?? |
| 23:18.01 | paulswm | still 2003 here |
| 23:18.03 | bkw | tarzeau: Thanks alot pal! |
| 23:18.13 | simonrvn | mar déc 30 23:18:12 UTC 2003 |
| 23:18.29 | coco | archpollux: Sorry, I'm not an english speaker, what is g2g? Could it be good to go? |
| 23:18.32 | bd | Justin_: I pasted the ps output for dpkg in #flood |
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| 23:18.35 | bztunk | Tue Dec 30 18:18:34 EST 2003 |
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| 23:19.23 | qtio | i accidentially deleted everything in /root - how majorly did i mess things up? |
| 23:19.25 | tommyj | hmm, when I try to use dual screen (using nvidia) and switch back to a VT my whole system hangs and is not responding at all, not at pings either. I'm running 2.6 kernel... the last entry in the messages log before I had to manually (Push The Red Button) shutdown the computer is this: kernel: 0: NVRM: AGPGART: unable to retrieve symbol table |
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| 23:19.41 | wufei | qtio; not at all |
| 23:19.42 | zinx | qtio: nothing is in /root except what you put there... |
| 23:19.43 | sgeigerbot | qtio: do you have backups? |
| 23:19.56 | zinx | qtio: so no one can tell you how bad you messed things up except you :/ |
| 23:19.57 | qtio | well there was nothing in there that i needed |
| 23:19.57 | tommyj | can anyone help me with this? framebuffer is disabled (no /dev/fb0 device). |
| 23:20.32 | bd | Justin_: do you have any further suggestions for me? |
| 23:20.33 | helix | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2973263690 |
| 23:20.35 | sgeigerbot | What does one normally put in /root? I put scripts I run from cron... |
| 23:20.40 | helix | sgeigerbot: you're old |
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| 23:20.47 | simonrvn | uid 0 stuff |
| 23:20.57 | ljlane | nothing |
| 23:20.57 | flan | cool ! |
| 23:21.03 | flan | later |
| 23:21.03 | sgeigerbot | helix: why do you say that? |
| 23:21.14 | helix | sgeigerbot: the glasses comment |
| 23:21.23 | RobotBebop | i can't even get the vesa driver to work |
| 23:21.26 | RobotBebop | wasn't there an SVGA driver ? |
| 23:21.29 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: you're back :) |
| 23:21.49 | neko | when the next release estimated at? |
| 23:22.04 | simonrvn | ~sarge pool |
| 23:22.06 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
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| 23:22.21 | Shay | ~lose simonrvn |
| 23:22.25 | | simonrvn: You Lose. |
| 23:22.25 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: does that log message tell you anything? |
| 23:22.25 | simonrvn | eeek, that's gotten big.. |
| 23:22.39 | deadcat | i think i will win (= |
| 23:23.06 | helix | compwizrd already lost |
| 23:23.08 | neko | when hell freezes over seems right |
| 23:23.10 | simonrvn | didn't it get changed? |
| 23:23.54 | sgeigerbot | tommyj: try googling... |
| 23:24.00 | tommyj | sgeigerbot: k |
| 23:24.07 | simonrvn | use to be dec 1 IIRC. |
| 23:24.19 | coco | archpollux: I'm sorry to insist but why if you say that jigdo can be used to get installable unstable CDs in http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ they say: Booting/installing is currently not possible with "testing"/"unstable" CDs - only use for upgrades from stable ?????? |
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| 23:24.25 | sgeigerbot | helix: just have spent too much time at the computer in the last years |
| 23:24.28 | simonrvn | or was it jan 1? |
| 23:24.36 | helix | sgeigerbot: oh ok. so you're not old? |
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| 23:24.40 | simonrvn | whatever |
| 23:24.42 | neko | it's about time for a new realease... |
| 23:25.04 | sgeigerbot | helix: All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! |
| 23:25.40 | deadcat | helix: are you a student? |
| 23:25.48 | helix | sgeigerbot: you're old |
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| 23:25.49 | helix | deadcat: sometimes. why? |
| 23:25.52 | sgeigerbot | helix: no |
| 23:25.55 | helix | are you trying to sell books again? |
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| 23:26.00 | helix | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 23:26.08 | sgeigerbot | helix: how do you know? |
| 23:26.11 | deadcat | helix: just wondering. heheh.. sometimes. (= |
| 23:26.18 | helix | sgeigerbot: because you told me how old you were before |
| 23:26.26 | qtio | Apache needs to be able to write to directories owned by vpopmail.vchkpw Im not quite sure how i would allow that. Do i add apache to the vchkpw group? |
| 23:26.26 | sgeigerbot | helix: before what? |
| 23:26.32 | helix | sgeigerbot: before today |
| 23:26.43 | helix | do you have alzheimers too? |
| 23:26.46 | sgeigerbot | helix: Probably we could take this conversation to /msg |
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| 23:27.09 | helix | probably |
| 23:27.10 | deadcat | helix: my books are so out-dated. that schools are selling them for $5. )= |
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| 23:27.32 | helix | i never try to sell mine back |
| 23:27.42 | helix | because.. i think i'll read them eventually or something |
| 23:27.57 | coco | Please: is The Hurd working with debian already? |
| 23:28.01 | deadcat | i sell them to students. better deal that way. |
| 23:28.15 | qtio | fast forward 10 years and i see them sitting on the side of a road in a trashcan |
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| 23:28.20 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: probably off topic |
| 23:28.36 | sgeigerbot | coco: I think it has for some time. Ask in #hurd |
| 23:28.52 | helix | this is nothing compared to the vibrator discussion from this morning |
| 23:29.01 | helix | off topic.. pfft |
| 23:29.05 | Serialkiller | i am behind a firewall , can i make my ssh program use socks 5 proxy? |
| 23:29.07 | th3mp | does anyone here know how to mkae a sparc bootable cd ? |
| 23:29.08 | mojo | how do you startup X with a differnt display number so you can have more than one running? |
| 23:29.13 | th3mp | i cant seem to make one anymore |
| 23:29.26 | helix | mojo: startx --:1 or something |
| 23:29.30 | mojo | ok thanks :) |
| 23:29.32 | helix | i might be wrong but i'm close |
| 23:29.34 | tarzeau | th3mp: #sparc |
| 23:29.37 | th3mp | lets say i copy my sparc.iso the dibian ones contents to a file |
| 23:29.44 | th3mp | #parc is useless |
| 23:29.48 | th3mp | er sparc that is |
| 23:29.51 | tarzeau | th3mp: i'm not sure maybe bootcd |
| 23:30.01 | th3mp | boot: cdrom |
| 23:30.02 | coco | Is Booting/installing currently not possible with "testing"/"unstable" CDs? |
| 23:30.11 | simonrvn | startx -- :1 |
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| 23:30.17 | tarzeau | coco: possibly |
| 23:30.23 | th3mp | no its an isue with the way silo works and mkisofs |
| 23:30.24 | simonrvn | one whitespace off ;) |
| 23:30.41 | capitol | does the bf24 image on woody install cd have support for MD? |
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| 23:31.03 | th3mp | mkisofs has been inclued in cdrtools which tok out the patch to make bootable sparc cd's while woody stable seems to have the correct mkisofs its is still failing on me |
| 23:31.13 | mojo | do you know how to allow me to connect to a xserver from a remote host? like i start it up on the machine but let it connect up to it with the same account? |
| 23:31.27 | th3mp | freebsd can edit iso images which linux cant so i might have to build a freebsd box just to build a rescue cd |
| 23:31.32 | th3mp | this seems kinda stupid |
| 23:31.36 | tarzeau | mojo: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 23:31.45 | mojo | ok thanks |
| 23:31.55 | tarzeau | th3mp: iso 9660 is read-only |
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| 23:32.05 | sgeigerbot | th3mp: I think transparency would give you the effect you want under linux. |
| 23:32.07 | tarzeau | th3mp: check mkisofs for sparc booting options |
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| 23:32.21 | tarzeau | SmileR_: haby ne yeeer! |
| 23:32.31 | tarzeau | helix: still gone? |
| 23:32.46 | helix | tarzeau: no, i'm here |
| 23:32.55 | mojo | tarzeau whats xs.exe? |
| 23:33.04 | helix | tarzeau: btw, i read the cabin boy thing.. actually, part of the whole series. i like it :) |
| 23:33.05 | tarzeau | helix: how are you? read her cabin boy? |
| 23:33.13 | tarzeau | helix: hehe :) i liked it too |
| 23:33.26 | tarzeau | mojo: an x server for windows |
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| 23:33.48 | helix | tarzeau: erotica has some really.. strange usage of vocabulary |
| 23:33.50 | helix | it's kind of cheesy |
| 23:34.06 | tarzeau | "Leigh moaned behind Drake and between my legs." .... |
| 23:34.06 | Rza`` | how can i change from wm to wm without disconnecting from x |
| 23:34.11 | helix | hahaha |
| 23:34.13 | tarzeau | for those who want to read it as well: http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ShonRichards/HerCabinBoy01.txt |
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| 23:34.25 | helix | tarzeau: nah, the worst is when he's talking about plundering her bounty or whatever |
| 23:34.31 | helix | i'm like, ok. enough with the pirate day stuff |
| 23:34.38 | tarzeau | helix: hehe :) |
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| 23:35.53 | bd | does anybody have suggestions for what to do when dpkg --configure just hangs? I'm still stranded |
| 23:35.58 | Rza`` | how can i change from wm to wm without disconnecting from x |
| 23:36.13 | tarzeau | Rza``: start just a xterm in your .xinitrc |
| 23:36.17 | streuner | bda: dpkg -configure -a |
| 23:36.19 | tarzeau | Rza``: and from there whatever wm you want |
| 23:36.27 | tarzeau | Rza``: now you can kill your wm and start another from your xterm |
| 23:36.38 | streuner | bda: dpkg --configure -a , sorry |
| 23:36.43 | tarzeau | Rza``: i've also seen menusystems (for exactly what you want) |
| 23:36.44 | bartd | streuner: yes, that's the one that hangs. it starts configuring malman and then just stops |
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| 23:37.07 | tarzeau | Rza``: i'm not sure but wdm or gdm can select whatever you want too |
| 23:37.08 | streuner | bartd: what error you get? |
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| 23:37.26 | bartd | streuner: no errors - it just hangs |
| 23:37.37 | bartd | I can paste the ps output in #flood if you'd like |
| 23:37.49 | streuner | bartd: done |
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| 23:38.29 | bartd | streuner: I just pasted it |
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| 23:39.26 | RelDrgn | in dependencies, what exactly does << mean? like libzlib-ruby1.8 (<< 1.8.1) |
| 23:39.35 | streuner | bartd: never saw that before, strange. |
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| 23:40.12 | sgeigerbot | th3mp: Umm...I meant translucency.... |
| 23:40.23 | RelDrgn | ah, heck, i figured it out |
| 23:40.29 | bartd | streuner: well, the person who installed mailman did some manual configuration, soI'm sure that's part of what's going on. but mailman works fine so I'd just like dpkg to leave it alone/ignore and move on. how do I do that? |
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| 23:41.07 | simonrvn | @hold |
| 23:41.23 | simonrvn | damn stupid too low limit.. |
| 23:41.24 | streuner | heh |
| 23:41.35 | simonrvn | it /msged me it.. |
| 23:41.47 | bartd | streuner: isn't there some way I can tell dpkg to ignore mailman? |
| 23:41.54 | Rza`` | so tarzeau |
| 23:41.55 | simonrvn | @+hold |
| 23:41.55 | ravenbird | [hold] a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 23:41.57 | streuner | bartd: no |
| 23:41.59 | Rza`` | i'm in icewm right now |
| 23:42.03 | chris` | When all else fails blame simonrvn |
| 23:42.13 | simonrvn | bartd: best you can do is that ^^ |
| 23:42.17 | Rza`` | in the midst of dling shit i don't wanna suspend the activity of |
| 23:42.29 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
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| 23:42.39 | simonrvn | @hug bob2 |
| 23:42.42 | Rza`` | just open an xterm, kill xterm, then launch another wm? |
| 23:42.45 | bartd | simonrvn: do what? |
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| 23:42.48 | bob2 | howdy. |
| 23:42.55 | bob2 | silly server rebooted :/ |
| 23:42.55 | streuner | bartd: or you fix the script |
| 23:42.57 | sgeigerbot | ravenbird: he prefers vegemite toast |
| 23:42.58 | ravenbird | sgeigerbot: j'ai pas d'idée de quoi tu parles |
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| 23:43.06 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:43.09 | Rza`` | or would i have had 2 have done an xterm & in .xinitrc? |
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| 23:43.12 | Rza`` | previously |
| 23:43.14 | simonrvn | bob2: ? you have s/w watchdog or something? |
| 23:43.21 | tarzeau | Rza``: never kill xterm |
| 23:43.24 | tarzeau | Rza``: kill rest |
| 23:43.27 | bartd | streuner: I just want to be able to run apt-get. isn't there some way to do that? |
| 23:43.27 | tarzeau | bob2: wb |
| 23:43.29 | Rza`` | no i said icemwm |
| 23:43.37 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm not alone! :) |
| 23:43.40 | sgeigerbot | ravenbird: simonrvn is a moron |
| 23:43.41 | ravenbird | ...but simonrvn is already something else... |
| 23:43.42 | tarzeau | with my batteries |
| 23:43.42 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 23:43.44 | Rza`` | i can safely kill icewm w/out losing x connection? |
| 23:43.49 | simonrvn | @lock simonrvn |
| 23:43.49 | tarzeau | helix: i holdhim! |
| 23:43.50 | ravenbird | simonrvn: locking factoid simonrvn |
| 23:43.51 | helix | ~simonrvn |
| 23:43.53 | | extra, extra, read all about it, simonrvn is the official mascot of the Subversion (svn) project, also a character in the quirky surprise hit 'Northern Exposure' |
| 23:43.54 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: :-) |
| 23:44.00 | helix | tarzeau: hey, if you're into that kinda thing |
| 23:44.02 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: :-p |
| 23:44.03 | bob2 | oh, BATTERIES? |
| 23:44.04 | helix | hm |
| 23:44.04 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: I wasn't trying to reprogram him.... |
| 23:44.09 | helix | ~spank bob2 |
| 23:44.12 | | ACTION bends bob2 over his knee and tattoos 'ibot' in his pasty white buttocks |
| 23:44.12 | modus | hold me while i weep ... i may have to try to reinstall debian |
| 23:44.14 | helix | ok, wtf |
| 23:44.14 | chris` | ~lart simonrvn |
| 23:44.14 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: It's just the end of a long day. |
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| 23:44.21 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 23:44.22 | bob2 | mwaha. |
| 23:44.23 | helix | @spank bob2 |
| 23:44.26 | simonrvn | @unlock simonrvn |
| 23:44.27 | ravenbird | simonrvn: unlocking factoid simonrvn |
| 23:44.29 | helix | ravenbird: thx |
| 23:44.30 | ravenbird | it has been said that thx is The requested URL /~jafl/thx was not found on this server. THANKS! |
| 23:44.31 | bob2 | multi-spank! |
| 23:44.33 | tarzeau | rofl |
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| 23:44.45 | streuner | bartd: i told you before, you have to fix the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info, but the first thing is to stop the defunction process with dpkg.. |
| 23:44.50 | helix | bob2: going to get them in a bit |
| 23:44.57 | bob2 | helix: SURE! |
| 23:45.01 | jhakk | question guys.. I have an old installation of debian on a box in a colo.. i wanted to upgrade it, but apt can't read the package listing (for any command, including update) due to a memory error "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" which makes no sense.. everything else is working and there is hundreds of megs of free memory... any ideas? |
| 23:45.12 | helix | bob2: cut me some slack dude. i'm on vacation and i don't like to leave my house |
| 23:45.14 | Rza`` | tarzeau: |
| 23:45.17 | bob2 | jhakk: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 23:45.23 | Rza`` | can i kill icewm without losing x connection? |
| 23:45.32 | streuner | bartd: dpkg *must* work, no matter what it costs... |
| 23:45.32 | bob2 | jhakk: punching that into google would give you literally ten quintillion anserws |
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| 23:45.39 | tarzeau | Rza``: sure if you started iceqm within an xterm |
| 23:45.40 | bob2 | helix: fair enough |
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| 23:45.57 | bob2 | helix: you should say hi to Sergey! |
| 23:46.01 | helix | yum |
| 23:46.03 | helix | i should |
| 23:46.10 | helix | "hi. smell me" |
| 23:46.16 | Rza`` | tarzeau: i didn't |
| 23:46.17 | bob2 | "hi, this is vladimirror" |
| 23:46.22 | helix | haha |
| 23:46.30 | bob2 | "your evil twin" |
| 23:46.31 | Rza`` | is there a way i can switch now |
| 23:46.31 | helix | "i know how to say 'i like it' in russian!" |
| 23:46.41 | Rza`` | without losing all x apps |
| 23:46.46 | HuBBa | anyone here know what could be wrong when my realplayer8-plugin for mozilla stopped working afer installing java-plugins ?? |
| 23:46.48 | jhakk | bob2: ok, i see what the error is, but im not finding how to fix it |
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| 23:46.48 | tarzeau | Rza``: no idea i don't think so |
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| 23:46.59 | bob2 | Rza``: look in the icewm menu to switch wms |
| 23:47.03 | bob2 | jhakk: look harder |
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| 23:47.08 | bob2 | !+mmap |
| 23:47.14 | bob2 | !+dynamic mmap |
| 23:47.19 | jhakk | OH |
| 23:47.21 | jhakk | i see |
| 23:47.23 | jhakk | sorry |
| 23:47.26 | helix | dpkg is teh sux today |
| 23:47.26 | dpkg | helix: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:47.29 | bob2 | ~+apt-mmap |
| 23:47.31 | | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 23:47.34 | bob2 | there. |
| 23:47.39 | jhakk | yah, just found that |
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| 23:47.45 | streuner | bob2: dpkg forgot the factoids.... |
| 23:47.47 | jhakk | thanks much :) |
| 23:47.52 | simonrvn | !status |
| 23:47.53 | dpkg | Since Tue Dec 30 09:34:12 2003, there have been 6 modifications, 37 questions, 145 dunnos, 1 moron and 72 commands. I have been awake for 14h 13m 40s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 16976 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 101.48/5.72 child 116.27/10.81 |
| 23:48.01 | simonrvn | reference 0 factoids |
| 23:48.04 | LoRez | forgot all the factoids |
| 23:48.08 | LoRez | holy cow |
| 23:48.14 | LoRez | ~status |
| 23:48.16 | | Since Tue Dec 30 06:20:09 2003, there have been 26 modifications, 202 questions, 55 dunnos, 0 morons and 212 commands. I have been awake for 17h 28m 5s this session, and currently reference 106152 factoids. I'm using about 15308 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1339.2/254.79 child 445.86/53.07 |
| 23:48.16 | HuBBa | my realplayer works finen and about:plugins states its installed but the site who streams for it wont rcognize it , and netscapes homepage doesnt detect it either |
| 23:48.17 | De_Mon | i need a sainty check, installing XFree nvidia driver. aptitude install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx |
| 23:48.17 | tarzeau | and apt is interesting too! today |
| 23:48.20 | De_Mon | right? |
| 23:48.27 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: dpkg has lost it's memory |
| 23:48.33 | lilliput | hello all ... I have heard that a deb was existing to stop dl each kernel header to each apt-get upgrade |
| 23:48.46 | tarzeau | apt hurd |
| 23:48.47 | | hurd is probably http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html |
| 23:48.49 | modus | helix: you were sort of helpful, but i still can't figure out how to rescue my system. i have been able to rescue a bunch of custom stuff (e.g., a whole /home/cafe/python subdirectory with a bunch of scripts in it) via scp. normally i hate to even reboot for a stupid reason, but now i think i have to reinstall. *frown* |
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| 23:48.53 | tarzeau | apt hurd is also #hurd |
| 23:48.56 | | ACTION beats is also #hurd over the head with a microkernel |
| 23:49.00 | tarzeau | see? |
| 23:49.16 | Rza`` | bob2: no |
| 23:49.18 | De_Mon | apt tell de_mon about nvidia-glx |
| 23:49.20 | Rza`` | but i've seen in wm's |
| 23:49.21 | Rza`` | like hackedbox etc |
| 23:49.24 | bob2 | helix: woah, weirdest dreams last night |
| 23:49.29 | Rza`` | before altering their menus they had the option to switch |
| 23:49.40 | bob2 | Rza``: if you can't switch from icewm's menu, you can't switch at all |
| 23:49.45 | Rza`` | so it's possible 2 do without initiating the wm from an xterm |
| 23:49.49 | bob2 | Rza``: oh, you removed those options? you can't switch then. |
| 23:49.56 | tommyj | I get this message when trying to start an X my server with dual screens: Fatal server error: Requested entity already in use! |
| 23:49.56 | Rza`` | right |
| 23:49.58 | tommyj | what does this mean? |
| 23:50.02 | DMJC | trying to setup ide-scsi emulation here... what do I need to do? |
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| 23:50.17 | bob2 | DMJC: /msg apt debian burner |
| 23:50.19 | tarzeau | DMJC: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 23:50.26 | helix | modus: haha, i think you're thinking of ljlane.. i didn't help you at all |
| 23:50.26 | bob2 | tommyj: what does google say? |
| 23:50.27 | tarzeau | DMJC: i have hdb=ide-scsi |
| 23:50.31 | streuner | DMJC: what kernel? |
| 23:50.34 | helix | bob2: /msg :) |
| 23:50.35 | paxl | Any iptable master.. (( how to forward a port from a box to another when masquerading is allowed ?? ) |
| 23:50.39 | DMJC | 2.4.22-k7 |
| 23:50.49 | simonrvn | paxl: #iptables |
| 23:50.50 | LoRez | paxl: DNAT |
| 23:50.54 | bob2 | paxl: /msg apt ip forward |
| 23:50.56 | bob2 | paxl: /msg apt ip forwarding |
| 23:51.05 | streuner | DMJC: /topic |
| 23:51.10 | tarzeau | helix: i'm not into spankings btw. but i wouldn't say no to you |
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| 23:51.32 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: and you don't record this shit |
| 23:51.42 | DMJC | awww shit berries.. |
| 23:51.47 | helix | hahaha |
| 23:51.54 | DMJC | when is 2.6.0 getting a debian package |
| 23:52.01 | LoRez | DMJC: when it's stable |
| 23:52.04 | tarzeau | DMJC: soon |
| 23:52.12 | bob2 | it HAS a debian package |
| 23:52.27 | streuner | DMJC: from my expiernce soon |
| 23:52.29 | DMJC | ooh... gimme a link for the unstable branch |
| 23:52.30 | LoRez | bob2: ssssshhh |
| 23:52.38 | streuner | !spell experience |
| 23:52.38 | dpkg | 'experience' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:52.44 | bob2 | LoRez: hah |
| 23:52.54 | LoRez | DMJC: why would you need a link? |
| 23:53.02 | DMJC | heh |
| 23:53.06 | bob2 | LoRez: actually, how did said packages get on master? is it unretricted now? |
| 23:53.20 | LoRez | bob2: anon ftp upload queues |
| 23:53.45 | tommyj | bob2: not much |
| 23:54.07 | bob2 | LoRez: I know that, look in ~herbet/ |
| 23:54.24 | bob2 | LoRez: does master have scponly or something installed? |
| 23:54.28 | bob2 | er, herbert. |
| 23:54.37 | LoRez | bob2: isn't that people? |
| 23:54.40 | DMJC | looks like the dedbian mirrors I'm using don't have it |
| 23:54.51 | tarzeau | DMJC: i386? |
| 23:55.03 | tarzeau | bob2: haven't seen it yet on anything else but i386 |
| 23:55.04 | bob2 | LoRez: and master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 23:55.07 | tarzeau | (and alpha) |
| 23:55.07 | DMJC | i386 |
| 23:55.20 | streuner | heh |
| 23:55.24 | tarzeau | but airstrike is finally in, from incoming.debian.org |
| 23:55.30 | streuner | didn't you say k6? |
| 23:55.34 | tarzeau | and xfce4 for powerpc :) |
| 23:55.35 | modus | so, before i start afresh, anybody know how i can get dselect to work? it keeps saying 'dselect: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system' although I did remount the root partition of the hd read-write, i think i'm still using the dselect on the cd and may need to chroot to /dev/hda3 |
| 23:56.09 | bob2 | modus: um, boot yor actual Debian system? |
| 23:56.25 | DMJC | the only kernel 2.6.0 images i can find are those test ones |
| 23:56.33 | ljlane | modus, I don't think you listened to me at all. Use the rescue CD to boot into your normal setup. |
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| 23:56.51 | tarzeau | DMJC: master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
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| 23:57.14 | modus | bob2: there is nothing in /boot (actually, /mnt/hda3/boot) |
| 23:57.30 | jake | anyone know how to use a script with adduser? |
| 23:57.32 | mrwoody | when i try to use uml with the filesystems on uml website, it always hangs on VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. |
| 23:57.42 | deadcat | jake: try useradd |
| 23:57.50 | modus | ljlane: but there is no kernel on the hd -- how do i use the kernel on the cd to boot into the normal setup? |
| 23:57.51 | jake | checked the man page for adduser, but it just says that it's possible |
| 23:57.57 | bob2 | LoRez: I guess you mere-non-DSA-mortals are allowed back in then ;-) |
| 23:58.04 | deadcat | jake: it is. |
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| 23:58.15 | jake | deadcat: useradd can't use a script (man page doesn't mention it anyhow) |
| 23:58.15 | ljlane | modus: I'm 100% certain those directions are on the knoppix CD. |
| 23:58.21 | LoRez | bob2: hrm, guess so. I'd have to go figure out my huge assed password and go try it |
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| 23:58.46 | ljlane | modus, they're also on the Debian install CD |
| 23:58.47 | bob2 | LoRez: bad-boy, use a SMART CARD! |
| 23:58.52 | deadcat | jake: if you can run it on the commandline. why cant you do the same in the script? script = shell script right? |
| 23:59.00 | modus | ljlane: where should i look? there are no text files like 'INSTALL' or "README' in the root directory. |
| 23:59.06 | LoRez | bob2: the only place it's stored currently is in a gpg encrypted e-mail |
| 23:59.22 | LoRez | if you'd like to provide the smartcard and reader, I'd be more than happy to accept it |
| 23:59.42 | ljlane | modus: the bootup screen, maybe even the cheatsheet text. Ask in #knoppix. They know a lot about knoppix. |
| 23:59.44 | jake | deadcat: sure, this isn't even for me. A debian user of a piece of software I wrote said adduser could do it, and asked that I add the functionality to my program. So I was trying to see how adduser did it to stay as close as possible |
