| 00:00.03 | oskie | Happy New Year to UK:ers...! |
| 00:00.05 | jamesd | Wisconsin rocks... |
| 00:00.06 | SuperQ | bztunk: FSCK |
| 00:00.10 | sandman | I did that to one other person so far, I guess I didn't get my fill |
| 00:00.11 | SuperQ | bztunk: *sigh* |
| 00:00.14 | bztunk | jamesd: cheater! |
| 00:00.19 | sandman | jamesd: Yeah, That 70's Show w00t |
| 00:00.38 | bztunk | SuperQ: donno why |
| 00:00.48 | SuperQ | bztunk: yea.. who knows |
| 00:00.49 | sladegen | redheat is cute ;) |
| 00:00.49 | bztunk | SuperQ: it's non-free anyways... |
| 00:00.52 | jamesd | i gave all the AI people the same... so its not cheating |
| 00:00.57 | ricochet | dondelelcaro:/lib/modules/2.4.23-1-686/kernel/drivers/net# ls 3c509.o 3c509.o |
| 00:00.59 | sladegen | redhead* duh |
| 00:01.03 | bztunk | jamesd: hahaha ok |
| 00:01.09 | SuperQ | bztunk: oh well.. time to find another avi player for my canon movies |
| 00:01.10 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'xanim' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/libquicktime/{lqt_xanim.a|lqt_xanim.la|lqt_xanim.so}) in libs/libquicktime1. |
| 00:01.27 | simonrvn | ravenbird: wtf? |
| 00:01.28 | ravenbird | What The Fuck |
| 00:01.40 | asg | simonrvn: he's gone mad :) |
| 00:01.46 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 00:01.58 | bztunk | SuperQ: what's the codec? |
| 00:01.58 | oskie | ravenbird? sounds like a lady to me |
| 00:01.59 | asg | simonrvn: happy new year btw |
| 00:02.02 | SuperQ | bztunk: no idea |
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| 00:02.04 | simonrvn | asg: you too |
| 00:02.12 | squibs | apt happy new years |
| 00:02.16 | | squibs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:02.16 | simonrvn | oskie: RB is a bot |
| 00:02.17 | SuperQ | mvi_1215.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 320 x 240, 20.00 fps, video: Motion JPEG, audio: uncompressed PCM (mono, 11024 Hz) |
| 00:02.24 | asg | simonrvn: still 5 hrs to go but I'll be imbibing a spoopin's for the rest of the night |
| 00:02.32 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: and if you insmod 3c509.o? |
| 00:02.34 | squibs | no ones built in the holida module into apt. |
| 00:02.35 | simonrvn | asg: aaah ;) |
| 00:02.35 | bztunk | SuperQ: motion jpeg? anything can play that |
| 00:02.39 | oskie | simonrvn: sure but bots can still be feminine or masculine |
| 00:02.43 | katsujin | rahul: I am reinstalling. I kept trying NIC drivers until I found one that loaded. Thanks! Have a happy new year! |
| 00:02.46 | bztunk | SuperQ: like mplayer, or xine |
| 00:02.51 | SuperQ | bztunk: hrm.. ogle, xine, vlc barf |
| 00:02.55 | SuperQ | i'll try xine again |
| 00:03.02 | simonrvn | oskie: only in their factoids :P |
| 00:03.09 | ricochet | dondelelcaro: gotta reboot to try, now that desktop is workin. thanks happy ny |
| 00:03.12 | SuperQ | I'm also drunk |
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| 00:03.21 | oskie | simonrvn: show me an example of a feminine factoid :) |
| 00:03.25 | bztunk | SuperQ: good4u |
| 00:03.29 | SuperQ | heh |
| 00:03.33 | simonrvn | @gender |
| 00:03.34 | ravenbird | I'm male |
| 00:03.37 | simonrvn | @gender |
| 00:03.38 | bztunk | lol |
| 00:03.42 | bztunk | !gender |
| 00:03.42 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 00:03.44 | simonrvn | @gender |
| 00:03.44 | ravenbird | I'm pregnant |
| 00:03.45 | bztunk | ~gender |
| 00:03.47 | | extra, extra, read all about it, gender is Male :D Females dont really count. see <sex> :P |
| 00:03.50 | oskie | you're cheating! |
| 00:03.54 | oskie | haha |
| 00:03.55 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 00:03.57 | bztunk | awww it's random :( |
| 00:04.00 | sladegen | ~sex |
| 00:04.02 | | get off irc you filthy pervert. |
| 00:04.04 | simonrvn | bztunk: of course it is |
| 00:04.12 | asg | oskie: given the ownership issue, he's allowed :) |
| 00:04.20 | bztunk | dpkg: you should be asexual |
| 00:04.25 | simonrvn | @who owns you? |
| 00:04.25 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
| 00:04.30 | bztunk | dpkg: wtf? |
| 00:04.30 | dpkg | what the fuck is wtf |
| 00:04.36 | bztunk | !who owns you? |
| 00:04.36 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 00:04.44 | bztunk | ~who owns you? |
| 00:04.45 | | dondelelcaro does |
| 00:04.52 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 00:04.57 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 00:04.59 | asg | dondelelcaro: haha, since when :) |
| 00:05.00 | streuner | :-) |
| 00:05.00 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: you are THE bot master! |
| 00:05.07 | dondelelcaro | ~no, who owns you is TimRiker |
| 00:05.16 | Starfury^ | hny |
| 00:05.21 | asg | simonrvn: yt |
| 00:05.23 | simonrvn | hny? |
| 00:05.23 | blooe | I don't seem to be able to start spamd - if I run /etc/init.d/spamassassin start, nothing happens. Anything obvious I should try? |
| 00:05.24 | asg | grrr |
| 00:05.27 | asg | Starfury^: yt |
| 00:05.32 | asg | simonrvn: happy new year |
| 00:05.37 | simonrvn | just kidding ;) |
| 00:05.42 | bztunk | blooe: you configure exim to use it |
| 00:05.53 | simonrvn | poor paq, keeps getting flooded off |
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| 00:06.02 | asg | simonrvn: 'less he texted you as honey and then you're on your own |
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| 00:06.16 | simonrvn | asg: que? |
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| 00:06.36 | squibs | hey anyone ever run into problems with qmail being blacklisted? |
| 00:06.36 | asg | simonrvn: nm, hny could == honey || happy new year |
| 00:06.38 | Idler_ | happy new year :þ |
| 00:06.41 | blooe | bztunk: actually, I'm using spamc through maildrop. But that's not the problem. I can't get the spamd daemon to run. |
| 00:06.56 | simonrvn | <- asg: doh |
| 00:06.58 | beermogul | blooe: glad you are looking into using spamassassin, you should check out the mailscanner package it is very good and uses razor/spamassassin/clamav very good stuff .. just set it up today... btw i would look at the config files for exim |
| 00:07.00 | squibs | errr qmail causing your domain to get blacklisted |
| 00:07.11 | asg | simonrvn: sorry, I'm into cheap jokes tonight :) |
| 00:07.18 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:07.19 | bztunk | blooe: hum, i don't know, i stopped using spamassain (white lists are the answer) |
| 00:07.22 | blooe | beermogul: hm - and what's the advantage? |
| 00:07.23 | Kawfee | ~who owns you |
| 00:07.24 | | dondelelcaro does |
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| 00:07.26 | simonrvn | i think everyone else is too |
| 00:07.37 | bztunk | blooe: i think there's a spamd package or something similar |
| 00:07.38 | asg | simonrvn: could be |
| 00:07.42 | zinx | whew |
| 00:07.48 | zinx | crazy stuff happened to xlibs in experimental |
| 00:07.54 | simonrvn | zinx: quite |
| 00:07.56 | tarzeau | you know what's not cool? |
| 00:08.03 | asg | tarzeau: hot wings? |
| 00:08.05 | sladegen | zinx: do tell |
| 00:08.07 | simonrvn | tarzeau: shoot |
| 00:08.09 | beermogul | bztunk: white lists.. hmm.. tell me more about it, i saw the options inside of mailfiter what is it all about? |
| 00:08.10 | oskie | zinx: i don't get underline everywhere I should.. for instance.. |
| 00:08.10 | tarzeau | if you hardly get into your jeans, and then you eat alot (becuase it's new year) |
| 00:08.18 | tarzeau | and then you don't get out of these f**** jeans |
| 00:08.24 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:08.24 | zinx | i think i've lost all confidence in branden's package maintaining abilities.. changing stuff so much right before 4.4.0 is going to be released :/ |
| 00:08.28 | asg | tarzeau: ah, you need pre-washed relaxed fit :) |
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| 00:08.32 | blooe | bztunk: as far as I can tell, spamd is included in the spamassassin package. |
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| 00:08.48 | oskie | zinx: you think 4.4.0 will be released without a core team? |
| 00:08.50 | dondelelcaro | ~who owns you |
| 00:08.51 | | TimRiker does |
| 00:08.52 | bztunk | beermogul: personnaly, i use a .foward to move to trash everything not in my list |
| 00:08.52 | beermogul | blooe: yes spamd is included in the spamassasin pkg |
| 00:08.53 | zinx | oskie: uh, yes |
| 00:08.55 | dondelelcaro | much better. |
| 00:09.01 | asg | zinx: experimental is just that. /msg dpkg sid faq (read horrible bugs) |
| 00:09.02 | zinx | oskie: do you think it won't? |
| 00:09.03 | bztunk | blooe: argh. ok i should stfu heh |
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| 00:09.08 | zinx | asg: i know what experimental |
| 00:09.13 | simonrvn | is |
| 00:09.14 | zinx | asg: and i'm not complaining about it |
| 00:09.15 | oskie | zinx: someone said nobody has CVS access now |
| 00:09.17 | zinx | simonrvn: ja |
| 00:09.18 | oskie | :) |
| 00:09.27 | simonrvn | zinx: :) |
| 00:09.38 | zinx | asg: the problem is XFree86 in _SID_, even, is horribly out of date, and doesn't support some cards that need supported |
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| 00:09.50 | asg | zinx: true, true. |
| 00:10.02 | zinx | asg: and branden has just made sure 4.3.0 will NEVER make it in to sid before 4.4.0 is released |
| 00:10.07 | beermogul | bztunk: so you use procmail or similar to filter it out and only allow known people's email to arrive in you inbox? hmm.. different but somehow it it limiting.. |
| 00:10.09 | simonrvn | what happened to x-force? |
| 00:10.10 | oskie | if XFree86 was as actively maintained and developed as Linux, we would be ____________ <-- fill in |
| 00:10.15 | zinx | oskie: erh? |
| 00:10.32 | asg | zinx: *nod* |
| 00:10.35 | zinx | oskie: note that the core team isn't the developers.. they just sit around and make decisions about things :/ |
| 00:10.38 | tarzeau | oskie: give more time |
| 00:10.44 | TheBlueWizard | oskie: are you saying XFree86 is losing steam? |
| 00:10.45 | bztunk | beermogul: well, it is, but i don't use email that much. if someone want to mail me, they need to ask me first, that's it. |
| 00:10.50 | asg | zinx: kinda like the old vampires in Blade |
| 00:10.52 | z|bandito | how do you list all installed packages with dpkg? |
| 00:11.03 | asg | z|bandito: dpkg -l |
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| 00:11.12 | z|bandito | hehe ty |
| 00:11.12 | Robotbebop | hey |
| 00:11.17 | oskie | tarzeau: after years it starts to get .. boring |
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| 00:11.17 | asg | z|bandito: yw |
| 00:11.18 | Kawfee | asg, who owns you? |
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| 00:11.22 | bztunk | hahhaah |
| 00:11.23 | oskie | TheBlueWizard: yeah. |
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| 00:11.32 | asg | Kawfee: Sherri, my wife ... or webster the cat |
| 00:11.33 | bztunk | asg: i think you are apt all the time |
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| 00:11.36 | ppc | bling bling |
| 00:11.40 | beermogul | bztunk: ah.. ok, cool for me it wouldn't be a good package as i do lots of emails with people that I don't know. |
| 00:11.41 | zinx | sladegen: experimental is for packages that are known to be wonky -- don't use it if you don't like that |
| 00:11.47 | Kawfee | asg, I didn't know you were married. |
| 00:11.48 | caligula | sup, ppc |
| 00:11.49 | asg | bztunk: no, just filling in for greycat, caphuso, and bob2 |
| 00:11.52 | Kawfee | asg, so you're pussy whipped? |
| 00:11.52 | ppc | caligula: HEIL |
| 00:11.53 | zinx | sladegen: sid is for packages that may be wonky, but no one knows |
| 00:11.54 | asg | Kawfee: yep, 3 years |
| 00:11.54 | mbmaster | Is it possible to mount .img-files and such? |
| 00:12.05 | zinx | sladegen: testing is for packages that should be fine, but sometimes aren't |
| 00:12.07 | Kawfee | asg, I fill in for bob2. |
| 00:12.07 | tarzeau | Kawfee: at least he doesn't have a penis-envy |
| 00:12.08 | ppc | caligula: Living it up in the computuh fast lane |
| 00:12.10 | baz | mbmaster: yup, use loopback device |
| 00:12.11 | asg | Kawfee: naw, I'm married to a nympho so she's pussy whipped :) |
| 00:12.16 | Kawfee | tarzeau, I have pussy envy =] |
| 00:12.21 | Kawfee | asg, that's good |
| 00:12.24 | tarzeau | Kawfee: i know a doctor... |
| 00:12.25 | baz | Kawfee: you want a cat? |
| 00:12.29 | zinx | sladegen: once everyone thinks the packages in testing are A-OK, and the packages are at least two years out of date, it's released as stable |
| 00:12.31 | Robotbebop | is 2.6.0-test11 safe for use ? |
| 00:12.31 | tarzeau | Kawfee: we can remove that few inches |
| 00:12.40 | Kawfee | baz, only if she's hot and her nick name is cat |
| 00:12.40 | mbmaster | baz: Loopback device? :) |
| 00:12.42 | oskie | Robotbebop: use 2.6.0 instead |
| 00:12.47 | Kawfee | tarzeau, I want both! |
| 00:12.54 | Robotbebop | ok |
| 00:12.58 | sladegen | zinx: there is x 4.3 in slackware and it works.... hmmmm whatever ;) |
| 00:13.00 | bztunk | mbmaster: i prefer loopback.jpg |
| 00:13.17 | zinx | sladegen: the _package_ stability is at question here, not the software that's being packaged |
| 00:13.24 | bookmark | can someone help me run maya as root, from logged in as a user? |
| 00:13.25 | ppc | How are all my debian homies living? |
| 00:13.31 | zinx | sladegen: very common mistake |
| 00:13.36 | asg | bookmark: apt-get install sudo && man sudo |
| 00:13.37 | dondelelcaro | sladegen: yes, and slack runs on how many archs? |
| 00:13.37 | mbmaster | bztunk: Are we talking Goatse now? :P |
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| 00:13.44 | zinx | sladegen: generally the software is fairly stable, even if the packages aren't |
| 00:13.49 | Pavel | I feel rather stupid asking this, but I can't figure this out... How do I set the locale settings of the applications launched from GNOME 2 panels? E.g. I want to run xmms in en.US UTF-8, as opposed to C (which I believe it runs with by default). How do I set this? |
| 00:13.49 | bztunk | mbmaster: that's what i'm talking about hahaha |
| 00:14.16 | skermajo | hi all. having some trouble understanding what is going on with why i need module-init-tools with 2.6. can someone point me to a doc because dpkg bot and google aren't being helpful ?? |
| 00:14.19 | dondelelcaro | regardles, 4.3 is in experimental now. Its only a matter of time before it hits unstable. |
| 00:14.22 | simonrvn | Pavel: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:14.24 | oskie | Pavel: type LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 xmms press enter |
| 00:14.25 | mbmaster | bztunk: Good for you. :) I saw them some years ago... :) |
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| 00:14.27 | zinx | anyway, i just think it was an insanely bad move to separate xlibs this soon before a 4.4.0 release :/ |
| 00:14.29 | asg | Pavel: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:14.38 | bztunk | Pavel: hum, you can set up the locale in gdm, for everyone, donno about specific apps |
| 00:14.43 | sladegen | zinx: so thats what im saying... perhaps dont realese if its not quite yet there... or keep it not-public.. if its truely experimental |
| 00:14.43 | beermogul | Robotbebop: yes it is but be sure to know how to update your system to run 2.6 kernel. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 check that website out |
| 00:14.45 | oskie | zinx: hmm.. xlibs was separated? how? |
| 00:14.50 | oskie | zinx: i mean, into what? |
| 00:14.52 | simonrvn | zinx: it makes sense. easier to integrate non-xfree86.org stuff |
| 00:14.56 | zinx | oskie: in to a lot of smaller packages |
| 00:14.57 | sladegen | dondelelcaro: it runs on my arch :-P |
| 00:14.59 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: it's been like 2 months that 4.3 hit sid |
| 00:15.02 | Robotbebop | i'll have to do it later |
| 00:15.07 | zinx | oskie: libx11, for instance |
| 00:15.07 | Robotbebop | i've been futzing with debian all day |
| 00:15.17 | oskie | zinx: geez, what's the point in doing that? |
| 00:15.26 | zinx | :/ |
| 00:15.31 | zinx | ask branden? |
| 00:15.35 | bztunk | zinx: why you think it's bad (xlibs) |
| 00:15.37 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: huh? no it hasn't. |
| 00:15.43 | dondelelcaro | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
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| 00:15.49 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 11832 kB |
| 00:15.49 | dondelelcaro | !info xserver-xfree86 experimental |
| 00:15.51 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i meant experimental sorry |
| 00:15.52 | oskie | maybe that's the answer: <simonrvn> zinx: it makes sense. easier to integrate non-xfree86.org stuff |
| 00:15.55 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0-0pre1v5 (experimental), Packaged size: 5322 kB, Installed size: 14780 kB |
| 00:16.03 | zinx | bztunk: i think it's bad this soon before a fairly major release |
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| 00:16.05 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: it's been months in experimental and it's still not in sid |
| 00:16.10 | blooe | ok, so I got spamd running with "spamd -d" - the question is, why doesn't it run after running /etc/init.d/spamassassin start? Isn't that the "official" way of doing things? |
| 00:16.11 | zinx | bztunk: when 4.3.0 still hasn't even gotten close to sid |
| 00:16.13 | simonrvn | oskie: that's what i heard second-hand from daniel stone |
| 00:16.18 | simonrvn | more or less |
| 00:16.27 | Justin_ | blooe: /etc/default/ |
| 00:16.35 | simonrvn | (i'll ask him myself one of these days) |
| 00:16.41 | bztunk | zinx: well, yeah, kinda. but why 4.3 isn't in sid? what are they waiting for? |
| 00:16.49 | zinx | bztunk: ask branden. |
| 00:16.56 | Pavel | That doesn't work. Even when the "default" locale is set to en.US UTF-8, launching XMMS from the GNOME Menu (the default one) launches it with a locale that is not UTF-8. (Launching it from uxterm, for example, does result in it using UTF-8.) |
| 00:16.57 | oskie | well, I don't like all I hear from the other X projects... Xouvers wants a LISP-based build system, and they want to integrated more into X (a sound server) |
| 00:17.05 | bztunk | zinx: he'll offer me a nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 00:17.11 | simonrvn | and he'll send you a form letter explaining why. |
| 00:17.18 | zinx | bztunk: i expect that's what he'd offer me too, and i have no idea why it's not in sid :) |
| 00:17.23 | simonrvn | bztunk: HOT cup of STFU :P |
| 00:17.34 | bztunk | simonrvn: sorry lol |
| 00:17.42 | oskie | Pavel: maybe UTF-8 locale isn't working at all? |
| 00:17.46 | holycow | oskie, thats agood point |
| 00:17.51 | sladegen | dondelelcaro: do all archs must be in sync? i dont think so if it works for one arch then let it fly there.... at least thats my logic if other archs have something to work out let them but why hold others ransom? |
| 00:17.58 | bztunk | Pavel: don't use xmms it sucks and it's outdated |
| 00:18.07 | zinx | bztunk: explain |
| 00:18.18 | dondelelcaro | sladegen: all archs have to build before packages go into testing. |
| 00:18.23 | zinx | bztunk: xmms is actively developed, any rumors you've heard stating otherwise are false |
| 00:18.23 | bztunk | zinx: about what |
| 00:18.25 | blooe | Justin_: arrgh! thanks :) - just a random question - why doesn't spamassassin print a warning like shorewall does when it doesn't start up because of /etc/default/? |
| 00:18.41 | bztunk | zinx: the last release was when? |
| 00:18.46 | oskie | zinx: I believe it when I see it |
| 00:18.47 | bztunk | zinx: and it's still using gtk |
| 00:18.48 | zinx | bztunk: so erh, why does it suck? (you're entitled to think so, but i'd like to know why) |
| 00:18.56 | zinx | bztunk: it can't switch from gtk |
| 00:18.59 | Ekdikeo | hmm. what's the name of a cd player program likely to be installed in a debian installation? |
| 00:19.00 | zinx | bztunk: all the plugins use gtk |
| 00:19.01 | bztunk | zinx: gtk1 :D |
| 00:19.01 | sandman | DOes make-kpkg work with 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:19.03 | dondelelcaro | sladegen: since we're getting close to a release, its extreemly irresponsible to propogate a package that likely isn't going to be ready for release. |
| 00:19.07 | Ekdikeo | i've never played a cd on this computer before. lol |
| 00:19.09 | sladegen | dondelelcaro: whats the one liner rational if i may ask? |
| 00:19.13 | zinx | bztunk: gtk1 is incompatible with gtk2, thus none of the plugins would work |
| 00:19.18 | streuner | sandman: of course |
| 00:19.19 | oskie | zinx: actively developed and still using gtk1.2? sure.. they haven't added a new feature for years |
| 00:19.25 | zinx | oskie: see above |
| 00:19.26 | bztunk | zinx: then it sucks, gtk1 sucks, QED :D |
| 00:19.26 | xsdg | Ekdikeo: apt-get install cdtool |
| 00:19.27 | mfbian | i don't even use x window, command line rules |
| 00:19.28 | beermogul | blooe: it is all about the init.d script, submit a diff if you are interested in having that working like that. |
| 00:19.30 | zinx | oskie: that's a technical issue |
| 00:19.35 | zinx | oskie: we _CAN NOT_ change the toolkit. |
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| 00:19.42 | bztunk | zinx: we? |
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| 00:19.47 | zinx | bztunk: yes, we. |
| 00:19.48 | oskie | zinx: so why care about old plugins? require the plugins to be rebuilt as well. not all plugins link with gtk either. |
| 00:19.57 | z|bandito | is webDAV a security risk? |
| 00:20.00 | zinx | oskie: all plugins link with gtk |
| 00:20.09 | oskie | zinx: "we". are you an xmms developer? |
| 00:20.22 | Pavel | XMMS is not the point. If XMMS is launched from uxterm (LC_*=en_US.UTF-8), it displays UTF-8-encoded tags in the playlist. If it's launched from a menu, it doesn't. |
| 00:20.24 | simonrvn | z|bandito: improperly set up, without proper auth and security, yes |
| 00:20.25 | zinx | oskie: and, gtk1 -> gtk2 isn't a simple "recompile" thing |
| 00:20.31 | zinx | oskie: it would be VERY EASY if it were |
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| 00:20.40 | xsdg | Pavel: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:20.42 | zinx | oskie: the plugins have to be changed to use the gtk2 api, instead of the gtk1 one. we can't do that. |
| 00:20.43 | mentor | Every Major GNOME number is an API change. |
| 00:20.47 | oskie | zinx: not all.. not liba52dec.so, libtonegen.so, libwav.so for instance... |
| 00:20.51 | simonrvn | Pavel: edit the menu entry then |
| 00:20.57 | oskie | zinx: it has to be done sometime! |
| 00:21.02 | zinx | oskie: they still link with gtk, they just don't use it ;) |
| 00:21.04 | bztunk | zinx: anyways, i don't like the playlist model of winamp/xmms anyways |
| 00:21.06 | mutek | hi :: happy new year :: auld lang syne, stuff like that. |
| 00:21.11 | xsdg | zinx: is there any possibility that jumping to a song in the playlist (but not actually playing it) will exist soon? |
| 00:21.15 | zinx | oskie: at least, if they properly use xmms-config, they do |
| 00:21.17 | xsdg | bztunk: I agree |
| 00:21.21 | bztunk | zinx: i prefer the library one from itunes/rhythmbox |
| 00:21.23 | oskie | zinx: not those I mentioned.. they don't like with gtk. check with ldd for yourself! |
| 00:21.27 | xsdg | bztunk: do you know of any decent ones? I don't |
| 00:21.29 | zinx | xsdg: should already exist |
| 00:21.33 | oskie | zinx: hmm i guess they don't use xmms-config properly then |
| 00:21.36 | zinx | xsdg: try typing in the playlist |
| 00:21.39 | xsdg | zinx: jump exists, but only to play or queue |
| 00:21.41 | bztunk | xsdg: see above |
| 00:21.47 | Pavel | xsdg: Done that. The system-wide default locale is now en_US.UTF-8, and has been for a while. |
| 00:22.14 | zinx | xsdg: fwiw you can mention it on the bugtracker w/ severity of 'enhancement' |
| 00:22.22 | xsdg | bztunk: rhythmbox still has a way to go, as does iTunes, imho |
| 00:22.29 | zinx | bztunk: yeah, well, a lot of people don't like the playlist :) |
| 00:22.31 | xsdg | zinx: I've been meaning to for a long time :o) |
| 00:22.43 | zinx | bztunk: that's a valid problem, and xmms2 should solve it to some extent |
| 00:22.43 | xsdg | zinx: I'll see what I can do, though :oP |
| 00:22.44 | z|bandito | simonrvn so the DavLockDB contains all uploaded files and stuff inside a single database file? |
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| 00:22.58 | simonrvn | z|bandito: i have no idea |
| 00:22.59 | zinx | bztunk: xmms2, by the way, is a rewrite, so it doesn't have to deal with plugins compiled with gtk1 |
| 00:23.04 | bztunk | xsdg: hum, rhythmbox is still buggy, yes, but itunes is nice. But i don't like the gay aqua/brushed metal theme :D |
| 00:23.05 | xsdg | zinx: what's the relationship between xmms and xmms2 and BMP? |
| 00:23.13 | Pavel | simonrvn: That's an option, but I am pretty sure that somewhere, the default locale with which GNOME 2 menu launches apps is set. I was wondering if anyone knew where. |
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| 00:23.18 | simonrvn | @tell bztunk about gay |
| 00:23.21 | oskie | zinx: nice.. is xmms2 usable tho? |
| 00:23.28 | bztunk | zinx: xmms2? is it the same thing as the beep player? |
| 00:23.31 | zinx | xsdg: xmms2 is a rewrite of xmms, using a new (and very much improved) plugin API, i don't know what BMP is |
| 00:23.33 | zinx | bztunk: no. |
| 00:23.41 | simonrvn | Pavel: i think so. can't remember hwere though |
| 00:23.41 | zinx | oskie: probably not at the moment |
| 00:23.43 | xsdg | zinx: BMP == beep media player |
| 00:24.03 | mutek | hmm, time flies - 23 mins into new year, and I still haven't got any resolutions... mmmmmmmm I know - I'll write a new media player.. :-) |
| 00:24.08 | zinx | beep is a fork of xmms to make it use gtk2, and none of the plugins work with it unless you port them yourself :/ |
| 00:24.32 | zinx | anyway |
| 00:24.34 | Pavel | simonrvn: Also, since the GNOME menu is automatically updated as applications are installed, updated, and removed, it would be nice to just change a setting that would presist over such updates. |
| 00:24.36 | oskie | is xmms2 going to support ALSA plugin natively (in same core source tree)? |
| 00:24.37 | zinx | xmms2 is the New Way :) |
| 00:24.45 | zinx | oskie: uhmmm xmms1 already does that |
| 00:24.57 | zinx | oskie: i can't imagine xmms2 not doing it :/ |
| 00:25.02 | sladegen | use mp3blaster or mpg123/321.... *smile* |
| 00:25.06 | oskie | zinx: it used to be distributed as a separate package.. because of the xmms-OSS alliance |
| 00:25.09 | xsdg | Pavel: hrm? |
| 00:25.17 | zinx | oskie: it used to be distributed as a separate package because it SUCKED |
| 00:25.18 | simonrvn | Pavel: i don't know where you would that though. gnome 1.4 it was easy to do, but gnome 2 is doesn't let you tweak it as much :( |
| 00:25.26 | simonrvn | s/is// |
| 00:25.32 | zinx | oskie: as soon as it was good enough for inclusion, it _WAS_ included |
| 00:25.35 | oskie | zinx: oh. i see |
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| 00:26.18 | zinx | heh |
| 00:26.26 | zinx | bztunk: try cli players : |
| 00:26.27 | zinx | erh, :/ |
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| 00:26.45 | bztunk | zinx: mp3blaster is ok, but i don't know, not perfect :D |
| 00:26.45 | sladegen | anybody used imms? |
| 00:26.56 | bztunk | hum |
| 00:27.06 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.06 | bztunk | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:27.06 | bztunk | Segmentation fault |
| 00:27.16 | bztunk | i'm confused |
| 00:27.22 | oskie | bztunk: i'd be too |
| 00:27.25 | Old_Agame | i have one hard drive wit windoze on it, and one where i plan to install linux, can i set my box up as dual boot[with GRUB] even tho the OS´s are located on two diff. disks |
| 00:27.25 | Pavel | Speaking of ALSA, has anyone had any luck using jackd mixing under 2.6.0 to allow multiple programs to use a single-channel sound card (as in, only one program can write to it at the same time) at the same time? |
| 00:27.26 | snoke | how i can see some package dependensies in apt? |
| 00:27.29 | oskie | in fact, i'd be worried |
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| 00:27.52 | sandman | mutek: I'd prefer water. |
| 00:27.54 | sandman | beer is silly. |
| 00:27.56 | xsdg | bztunk: I would prefer a playlist that lets me set up command groups (or whatever you wanna call them); basically, I want to tell it to play these 4 songs in this order, then random play 15 songs from the whole playlist, then play these 12 songs (which happen to be from a single album) in order by track number |
| 00:28.03 | sladegen | Old_Agame: yes |
| 00:28.12 | xsdg | bztunk: I don't know of any player yet that would allow me to do that |
| 00:28.31 | bztunk | xsdg: hum. write it yourself LOL :D |
| 00:28.34 | sladegen | but keep windows on 1st disk... its this way... |
| 00:28.34 | mutek | sandman: haha - I've more water available than beer. Never seen beer do anything silly, though. Maybe I don't watch it enough? |
| 00:28.41 | Justin_ | xsdg: mpg123 |
| 00:28.54 | sandman | mutek: If you drink enough, beercans will start dancing. |
| 00:29.01 | sandman | mutek: And sometimes, you dance with them. |
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| 00:29.04 | xsdg | bztunk: that's what I was thinking |
| 00:29.08 | Old_Agame | sladegen: are the instructios on http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Win9x+Grub-HOWTO/proc.html valid for winXO too ? |
| 00:29.22 | mutek | sandman: hehe - perhaps. 'cept I'm not sure I'd remember later... |
| 00:29.24 | Old_Agame | sladegen: are the instructios on http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Win9x+Grub-HOWTO/proc.html valid for winXP too ? |
| 00:29.31 | mutek | xsdg: what about mp3blaster? |
| 00:29.53 | oskie | Old_Agame: I think so.. |
| 00:29.59 | Recoil` | does debian configure x during installation or do i have to do it myself? |
| 00:30.01 | xsdg | mutek: did you see my description of what I want to be able to do? no audio player that I know of can do that |
| 00:30.03 | xsdg | (yet) |
| 00:30.16 | Old_Agame | hmm |
| 00:30.26 | sladegen | hmm Old_Agame not 100% sure i stoped my career with MS on w2k... should be ok... or if you must substitute winXp with win2k or nt in any howtos |
| 00:30.48 | SuperQ | ok.. time to taxi home |
| 00:30.54 | SuperQ | goodnight my debian friends |
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| 00:31.01 | oskie | SuperQ: later! |
| 00:31.03 | oskie | oops |
| 00:31.07 | sladegen | have a bumpy |
| 00:31.25 | mutek | xsdg: fair point. A version of mp3blaster with a slang interface might do it. You could customise however you wanted, then. |
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| 00:31.39 | xsdg | Old_Agame: I'm running Debian + XP |
| 00:31.39 | mentor | xsdg: We need some sort of generic playlisting component... |
| 00:31.41 | Old_Agame | basically the procedure seems to be, install linux, install grub, set up grub, install windoze on the on the drive(or partition) and u r ready to go |
| 00:31.42 | xsdg | Old_Agame: + grub |
| 00:31.46 | xsdg | mentor: yeah |
| 00:31.49 | Old_Agame | am i right ? |
| 00:31.53 | shamoun | is there some way to have software update my system date and time |
| 00:32.04 | shamoun | my system is horribly misconfigured |
| 00:32.04 | oskie | Old_Agame: doesn't sound right... install windows, install linux, install grub, set up grub |
| 00:32.05 | xsdg | shamoun: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 00:32.09 | sladegen | Old_Agame: better start with win 1st then linux |
| 00:32.10 | xsdg | shamoun: apt-get install ntp-simple ntpdate |
| 00:32.12 | mutek | mentor: how about a slang-based playlist editor/manager front-end for xmms, mpg123, ogg123 mpg321 etc? |
| 00:32.23 | oskie | Old_Agame: installing windows will wipe out the MBR |
| 00:32.26 | xsdg | mutek: no |
| 00:32.37 | Old_Agame | oskie windows is on a seperate disk |
| 00:32.39 | mutek | xsdg: no what? |
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| 00:32.43 | sladegen | oskie: might... but nm |
| 00:32.46 | xsdg | mutek: it'd have to be GUI to be powerful enough for my likes |
| 00:32.51 | oskie | Old_Agame: it might still do it.. |
| 00:32.53 | squibs | does anyone know the name of any ascii animation demos (all i remember is rotating heads of i assume the programmers who made it) |
| 00:33.06 | Old_Agame | ehmm |
| 00:33.09 | mutek | xsdg: not sure that GUI and powerful are not orthogonal attributes. |
| 00:33.09 | xsdg | squibs: mplayer -vo aa foo.mpg |
| 00:33.09 | oskie | Old_Agame: well it doesn't matter what order you install, as long as you have a boot disk or rescue disk or similiar for linux |
| 00:33.16 | mentor | squibs: Anything using SDL and aalib :) |
| 00:33.18 | Justin_ | squibs: bb |
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| 00:33.47 | Old_Agame | i mean as long as i have windowze on a seperate disk, and set up GRUB to be able to to "boot windows" on that disk, that´s the point right ? |
| 00:33.47 | squibs | i think it was bb |
| 00:33.48 | xsdg | mutek: I'm a console junkie, don't get me wrong; there are some areas where the GUI is the interface of choice, though |
| 00:33.52 | Old_Agame | cant go wrong with that ? |
| 00:33.55 | mentor | mutek: Well, I would prefer some sort of generic engine, which can have any interface developed for it. |
| 00:34.08 | xsdg | mutek: for example, drag-and-drop |
| 00:34.08 | mutek | xsdg: in fact, I suspect that they might even have an inverse relationship. But if you want GUI, that's fine by me. |
| 00:34.14 | Old_Agame | grub is of course located on my other linuc disk |
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| 00:34.24 | mutek | xsdg: yeah - you wouldn't get drag & drop from slang :-) |
| 00:34.25 | elcalbo2 | happy new year , very good debian developers soy de las palmas de gran canaria españa :-/ |
| 00:34.39 | mutek | mentor: it's a 3 layer application, then. |
| 00:34.50 | mentor | mutek: well, slang probably qualifies for htat. |
| 00:35.07 | mentor | mutek: 3 layers? doesn't sound like enough. |
| 00:35.21 | mutek | mentor: :-)))) |
| 00:35.22 | Recoil` | can anyone tell me how i configure x? i assumed i did that in the installation, but it wont let me startx |
| 00:35.23 | oskie | elcalbo2: happy new year! are you on gran canaria? |
| 00:35.47 | mutek | Recoil`: ahh - man - get a beer and celebrate the new year and enjoy your console. Fix X tomorrow... :-)) |
| 00:35.56 | sladegen | lol |
| 00:35.58 | Recoil` | ... |
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| 00:36.08 | Old_Agame | oskie all GRUB does is allowing me to boot into DIFF OS´s, if that OS is on one partition on the same disk, or on a seperate disk shouldn´t matter right ? |
| 00:36.10 | Recoil` | i still have 7 hours till new year |
| 00:36.13 | elcalbo2 | oskie: yes in tomas morales las palmas de gran canaria |
| 00:36.21 | mutek | Recoil`: mmm - okay - probably time to fix it then... |
| 00:36.42 | oskie | elcalbo2: ok! is it nice weather? :) |
| 00:36.44 | xsdg | mutek: from my POV, however, with some work, you can bring the advantages of CLI to a GUI app, but in some cases not vice-versa |
| 00:36.45 | mutek | Recoil`: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:36.54 | xsdg | mutek: for an extreme example, look at emelfm |
| 00:36.58 | oskie | Old_Agame: it shouldn't matter, as long as grub is installed on the disk you boot on |
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| 00:37.04 | Recoil` | mutek: no... |
| 00:37.21 | sladegen | Old_Agame: but you are planing to put grub in MBR... so like we said before beter instal win first because it may mess with mbr on unbeknowst... |
| 00:37.22 | elcalbo2 | oskie: sorry i dont understan you, my english is lite :- ( |
| 00:37.23 | sandman | I have a question. |
| 00:37.37 | sandman | Why not just have multiple versions of packages available? |
| 00:37.47 | elcalbo2 | oskie: you speak spanish |
| 00:37.47 | xsdg | elcalbo2: "hace buen tiempo?" |
| 00:37.51 | mutek | xsdg: what's emelfm? |
| 00:37.52 | sandman | So in sid, you can install KDE3.1.[1-4] |
| 00:37.58 | sandman | Why is this made impossible? |
| 00:37.59 | xsdg | mutek: file manager with built-in mini-CLI 8) |
| 00:38.01 | oskie | elcalbo2: sorry, no :( |
| 00:38.09 | elcalbo2 | oskie: yes its night |
| 00:38.11 | Old_Agame | sladegen win is already installed on disc2, linux installed on disc1, what exactly are u suggesting ? |
| 00:38.13 | mutek | xsdg: ah - will have to try that out. |
| 00:38.16 | sandman | So for example, let's say 3.1.4 is broken. I'm working on fixing it, but I'd like to have KDE installed somehow. |
| 00:38.21 | Recoil` | mutek: i guess ill go try that, see if it works out |
| 00:38.24 | sandman | So I install KDE3.1.3, and it works. |
| 00:38.24 | mutek | xsdg: I'm not anti-gui per se |
| 00:38.25 | elcalbo2 | xsdg: gracias |
| 00:38.31 | sandman | Is this not a good idea? |
| 00:38.36 | mutek | Recoil`: yeah - it's the first 'debian' step to configuring things. |
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| 00:38.47 | sladegen | Old_Agame: i give up.. why are you asking us if its already installed and works... duh |
| 00:38.54 | delire | why does 'mutt -v' tell me my MAILPATH='/var/mail' when my ~/.muttrc points to ~/Mail? |
| 00:38.58 | Old_Agame | GRUB is not installed!!! |
| 00:39.02 | Old_Agame | sladegen did i say it was ? |
| 00:39.13 | Azhrarn | sandman: mirror space is limited |
| 00:39.14 | mutek | redrick: afairc, xfree-4 can do a fair amounnt of auto-detection. If that fails, you need to look in /var/log/Xfree(something) to see what went wrong. |
| 00:39.14 | sandman | sladegen: What do you think of what I said? |
| 00:39.15 | Old_Agame | i dont have dual boot |
| 00:39.19 | sandman | Azhrarn: That's the only reason? |
| 00:39.22 | Old_Agame | jesus |
| 00:39.22 | elcalbo2 | oskie: where are you form? |
| 00:39.28 | oskie | elcalbo2: Sweden |
| 00:39.31 | mutek | Recoil`: afairc, xfree-4 can do a fair amounnt of auto-detection. If that fails, you need to look in /var/log/Xfree(something) to see what went wrong. |
| 00:39.44 | Azhrarn | is it not a valid reason? |
| 00:39.45 | Old_Agame | oskie är min engelska så dålig ? :) |
| 00:39.46 | mutek | redrick: sorry - typo. |
| 00:39.50 | elcalbo2 | oskie: where are you countre , USA? |
| 00:40.20 | sandman | Azhrarn: I have an idea. |
| 00:40.31 | sandman | Azhrarn: How about Debian utilizes bittorrent to distribute files |
| 00:40.40 | xsdg | sandman: security |
| 00:40.41 | oskie | Old_Agame: :) hah, nej verkar helt ok ... fast den andra killen är ju helt ute och cyklar |
| 00:40.42 | sladegen | sandman: hmm an idea... im not that advanced debian user... to judge well. you can always put other versions in /usr/local or /opt or whatever... |
| 00:40.48 | Azhrarn | for each additional version of packages, you increase the mirror space exponentially |
| 00:40.57 | sandman | sladegen: See, but then I'm hand-compiling |
| 00:41.00 | sandman | sladegen: That's a pain in the ass. |
| 00:41.04 | oskie | elcalbo2: Sweden |
| 00:41.04 | sandman | sladegen: I might as well go back to Gentoo. |
| 00:41.09 | mutek | xsdg: but I do feel kind of comfortable where the letters & numbers provide an abstraction of the geometric abstraction of computing technologies typically used in GUIs. |
| 00:41.19 | mutek | xsdg: :-) (sorry!) |
| 00:41.25 | bztunk | sandman: WHT |
| 00:41.26 | sandman | xsdg: security cannot be added to bittorent? |
| 00:41.27 | bztunk | sandman: WHAT |
| 00:41.35 | sandman | xsdg: MD5 sums, etc |
| 00:41.37 | bztunk | sandman: NEVER SAID THAT AGAIN |
| 00:41.43 | bztunk | sandman: at least in this channel :D |
| 00:41.45 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: stop with the caps please |
| 00:41.48 | xsdg | bztunk: huh? |
| 00:41.57 | bztunk | 19:41 < ~sandman> sladegen: I might as well go back to Gentoo. |
| 00:41.58 | sladegen | sandman: yea and i have that feeling too, but then debian is great because it will work on my P133 and my AMD1700 ... and gentoo BARFS ;((( |
| 00:41.59 | sandman | xsdg: I think bztunk has a problem |
| 00:42.02 | sandman | with the word... |
| 00:42.03 | sandman | GENTOO |
| 00:42.06 | sandman | !! =) |
| 00:42.10 | bztunk | yes i do lol |
| 00:42.10 | dondelelcaro | sandman: bittorrent doesn't gain you much... there are few mirrors out there that can't saturate your upstream connection |
| 00:42.17 | xsdg | sandman: you scared away asuffield |
| 00:42.22 | Old_Agame | oskie så om linux e installerat på disc 1, windows på disc 2. Nu vill jag installera GRUB, gör det på disc 1, och gör alla nödvändiga inställningar, låter det bra eller :) |
| 00:42.26 | elcalbo2 | oskie: ok in my house is happy new year and my family :-/ good bye |
| 00:42.28 | Azhrarn | and package maintainers would have to divide their time to maintain multilpe v ersions of their packages |
| 00:42.31 | Pavel | Beep looks good. It seems to have problems reading non-ASCII Vorbis tags, though, and you were right about the plugins. I miss the status dock one, in particular. |
| 00:42.35 | sandman | Azhrarn: No |
| 00:42.36 | holycow | sladen, one would thing gentoo would be more flexible than debian |
| 00:42.37 | delire | why does 'mutt -v' tell me my MAILPATH='/var/mail' when my ~/.muttrc points to ~/Mail? |
| 00:42.39 | sandman | Azhrarn: No, that's not what I mean at all |
| 00:42.43 | oskie | elcalbo2: bye bye! Happy new year |
| 00:42.50 | sandman | ALL I'm saying is, let's say you package KDE3.1 properly. You're done, it's solid. |
| 00:42.51 | oskie | Old_Agame: ja, låter bra! |
| 00:42.57 | xsdg | delire: echo $MAIL |
| 00:43.00 | Old_Agame | oskie men vad är det här snacket om MBR |
| 00:43.03 | sandman | Stable, no complaints. You release it. Now you start work on KDE3.1.1 |
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| 00:43.09 | Azhrarn | debian won't distribute packages it cannot actively maintain |
| 00:43.10 | dondelelcaro | sandman: so package KDE 3.1 |
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| 00:43.19 | dondelelcaro | sandman: no one is stopping you... |
| 00:43.20 | sandman | So now KDE3.1 is in Sid. But 3.1.1 is ALSO in sid |
| 00:43.21 | sladegen | holycow: sure rubbbb it in!!! oh god plz! :)) |
| 00:43.26 | bookmark1 | i think there needs to be a few more people in this channel |
| 00:43.29 | oskie | Old_Agame: MBR är "bootblocket" på hårddisken, där du installerar grub |
| 00:43.31 | xsdg | sandman: tell that to the people in #debian-kde :o) |
| 00:43.34 | delire | xsdg: but doesn't the .muttrc override this? |
| 00:43.34 | Azhrarn | It would be irresponsible |
| 00:43.34 | holycow | sladegen, hehehe :) |
| 00:43.39 | delire | xsdg: this env |
| 00:43.40 | xsdg | delire: no clue :o) |
| 00:43.41 | sandman | xsdg: Well, they don't have to do any more work. |
| 00:43.45 | Shay | oskie, english |
| 00:43.47 | sandman | xsdg: It's not any addition to maintenance. |
| 00:43.55 | delire | xsdg: shux |
| 00:43.59 | oskie | Shay: yeah ok |
| 00:44.02 | sandman | xsdg: All they have to do is not delete the other versions, because their current works might not be functional yet. |
| 00:44.05 | z|bandito | To enable mod_dav, add the following to a container in your httpd.conf file: Dav On |
| 00:44.05 | Shay | oskie, thanks |
| 00:44.06 | z|bandito | whats a container? |
| 00:44.12 | xsdg | sandman: I avoid KDE, no need trying to convince me :o) |
| 00:44.14 | Old_Agame | oskie vilken hårddisk bör jag installera GRUB på, linux disken eller windows disken ? |
| 00:44.17 | sandman | xsdg: That way, if a package in Sid is broken (and it often is, no?), one has an alternative to hand-compiling. |
| 00:44.22 | oskie | Old_Agame: the first disk |
| 00:44.26 | dondelelcaro | sandman: older versions still stay around... but newer versions are supposedly a step forward. |
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| 00:44.32 | dondelelcaro | sandman: see snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:44.41 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Right. I just think there should be two versions at least to every package. |
| 00:44.44 | Old_Agame | oskie med först disk menar du linux disken då eller :) |
| 00:44.47 | delire | xsdg: what use is the .muttrc set line if it grabs the environment path!? |
| 00:44.48 | sandman | A stable version, and a work-in-progress version |
| 00:44.52 | dondelelcaro | sandman: again, see snaphost.debian.net |
| 00:44.54 | oskie | Old_Agame: yes |
| 00:45.01 | Azhrarn | what about testing and stable? |
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| 00:45.02 | Old_Agame | oskie what happens otherwise |
| 00:45.03 | squibs | xsdg: do you have any idea how much bandwidth youde need to do mplayer -vo aa foo.mpg? could you do it over a ssh connection heh |
| 00:45.08 | bztunk | sandman: now, you can download a different deb and install that |
| 00:45.11 | xsdg | delire: I'm not even sure if that's the problem... I don't know anything anymore 8P |
| 00:45.11 | dondelelcaro | sandman: every version of every package since sometime in 2002 is there. |
| 00:45.20 | oskie | Old_Agame: the system simply won't boot from hard drive .. unless you configure the BIOS to do so |
| 00:45.26 | mentor | sandman: Haha. A stable software release that has no bugs on the first attempt. |
| 00:45.28 | Old_Agame | ok |
| 00:45.33 | xsdg | squibs: on a local lan it that should work fine |
| 00:45.34 | mentor | sandman: heh. |
| 00:45.43 | delire | xsdg: ;) |
| 00:45.47 | xsdg | squibs: depends more on latency than speed, I'd guess |
| 00:45.49 | xsdg | delire: 8) |
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| 00:47.26 | mag007 | how does Verison ADSL work? I have the router for it, how do I know if they give static or dynamic address? |
| 00:47.40 | squibs | can mplayed open mpeg4 files? |
| 00:47.44 | dondelelcaro | mag007: uh, you could talk to your provider? |
| 00:47.53 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Is there an easy way to install from snapshot on a command line? |
| 00:47.53 | oskie | this is a funny piece of ESR software: http://www.catb.org/~esr/nolan/ |
| 00:47.55 | uncleben | Hey, folks. I did a dist-upgrade last night, and now xdm is behaving oddly. It's starting Gnome by default, and I can't figure out how to make it stop. My .xinitrc file tells it to start afterstep only. Any thoughts? |
| 00:47.58 | mag007 | heh true |
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| 00:48.04 | sandman | dondelelcaro: like, apt-get install --snapshot mypackage-1.0 |
| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | sandman: yes. it even lists exactly how to do it on the webpage. |
| 00:48.16 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Righto. Thanks |
| 00:48.21 | sandman | dondelelcaro: That's actually very useful. |
| 00:48.44 | mentor | ~tell sandman about pkgmgmt |
| 00:48.46 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I have a 160G hdd |
| 00:48.48 | mentor | ~tell sandman about debian users' guide |
| 00:48.51 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Can I help mirror stuff? |
| 00:48.59 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I don't have much upload, but it's something. |
| 00:48.59 | squibs | maplyer |
| 00:49.02 | dondelelcaro | sandman: unless you have an OC3, its useless |
| 00:49.02 | squibs | sorry |
| 00:49.04 | mentor | sandman: Do you have a large bandwidth pipe? |
| 00:49.13 | oskie | grrr, why doesn't linux 2.6.0 work in vmware? |
| 00:49.16 | sandman | mentor: no.. |
| 00:49.33 | mentor | sandman: Pointless then; storage is cheap. |
| 00:49.33 | sandman | I think Debian should develop a P2P method for file distrobution. |
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| 00:49.40 | sandman | Because it would allow people like me to help. |
| 00:49.54 | sandman | mentor: Then why are there space limitations on debian mirrors? |
| 00:49.54 | xsdg | sandman: how so? |
| 00:49.55 | uncleben | sandman: Jigdo is about as easy as it gets. |
| 00:49.59 | dondelelcaro | sandman: people like you can help by fixing bugs, filing patches, finding bugs, etc. |
| 00:50.07 | Azhrarn | Debian isos can be gotten on bittorrent I believe |
| 00:50.19 | sandman | Azhrarn: I'm talking about actual package management |
| 00:50.20 | xsdg | sandman: having more mirrors doesn't reduce the amount of space needed per mirror |
| 00:50.32 | dondelelcaro | sandman: we're concerned about space because everything we do is multiplied by the number of archs we have. |
| 00:50.33 | sandman | Like, I type apt-get install something or another, and it downloads it from a Debian-designed p2p net |
| 00:50.46 | xsdg | sandman: how does that help? |
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| 00:50.55 | dondelelcaro | sandman: again, the mirrors are faster than any p2p net can be. |
| 00:50.59 | Azhrarn | write up a whitepaper :) |
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| 00:52.02 | oskie | dondelelcaro: bittorrent downloads from multiple peers though |
| 00:52.11 | sandman | dondelelcaro: snapshot.debian.net is full of unusable packages |
| 00:52.14 | micklweiss_lapto | can anyone tell me if its possible to install 1 system via another? |
| 00:52.22 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Which is fine, but still =) |
| 00:52.23 | dondelelcaro | oskie: sure, but if your upstream is saturated, your upstream is saturated. |
| 00:52.24 | Azhrarn | bittoorent isn;'t an option for a lot of people |
| 00:52.32 | micklweiss_lapto | i dropped my computer so the video care shot to hell |
| 00:52.33 | Azhrarn | it relies on you sharing upstream |
| 00:52.36 | oskie | dondelelcaro: granted |
| 00:52.47 | simonrvn | micklweiss_lapto: yes |
| 00:52.53 | dondelelcaro | oskie: its a rare box that has a larger pipe than the nearest, fastest mirror. |
| 00:52.54 | micklweiss_lapto | card * |
| 00:52.58 | SJr | where can I get old debian packages, need one thats not there anymore. |
| 00:53.07 | dondelelcaro | SJr: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:53.07 | micklweiss_lapto | simonrvn: i thought so but, how? |
| 00:53.16 | Azhrarn | http://snapshot.debian.net/du/df.png Mmm |
| 00:53.33 | dondelelcaro | sandman: its just a snapshot, nothing more. Packages have bugs. Its the way things are. |
| 00:53.36 | simonrvn | micklweiss_lapto: debootstrap |
| 00:53.44 | simonrvn | micklweiss_lapto: other ways too |
| 00:53.51 | bztunk | 700 gig? wtf |
| 00:53.52 | dondelelcaro | mentor: put a diaper on it |
| 00:54.02 | simonrvn | </groan> |
| 00:54.19 | tarzeau | mentor: do you know GNUstep ? |
| 00:54.36 | mentor | tarzeau: I should probably look at it more closely. |
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| 00:54.51 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg |
| 00:55.02 | tarzeau | if you like learning or already know objective-c |
| 00:55.12 | tarzeau | i've just packaged two programs today for debian |
| 00:55.17 | tarzeau | and i'm working on another |
| 00:55.24 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: eh, no thanks... /me sticks with openbox3 |
| 00:55.26 | tarzeau | (www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ waiho and lusernet) |
| 00:55.43 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: gnustep is not a window manager, it is a framework |
| 00:55.51 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: like gtk or qt, just different |
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| 00:56.11 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: ah... cool... |
| 00:56.23 | mentor | tarzeau: Sorry, I am particularly shallow when it comes to this...does it have some different eye-candy? |
| 00:56.27 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: do your menus work ok? |
| 00:56.38 | simonrvn | with obox 3 |
| 00:56.42 | uncleben | Can anybody help me fix my upgraded xdm to work with Afterstep and stop loading Gnome? |
| 00:56.44 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yes. had to fix them though... |
| 00:56.47 | Sinistrad | how do you pass parameters to a specific driver (i.e.: insmod eth16i.o io=0x2a0 mediatype=bnc) when the driver is compiled into the kernel? |
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| 00:57.00 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: how? i tried, and it seems totally opaque |
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| 00:57.28 | micklweiss_lapto | simonrvn: know a tutorial on using debootstrap |
| 00:57.33 | simonrvn | uncleben: .xsession |
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| 00:57.37 | simonrvn | micklweiss_lapto: the man page |
| 00:57.42 | micklweiss_lapto | mind you its a 7600/132 |
| 00:57.49 | simonrvn | so? :) |
| 00:57.51 | micklweiss_lapto | ok |
| 00:57.54 | micklweiss_lapto | :) |
| 00:58.02 | uncleben | simonrvn: Says 'exec /usr/bin/afterstep' and that's it. |
| 00:58.10 | micklweiss_lapto | thanks simonrvn |
| 00:58.32 | Thunderbird | Hi pals! :) |
| 00:58.37 | Azhrarn | http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html#debootstrap :) |
| 00:58.47 | bookmark1 | can anyone tell me how to run maya as root while i'm logged in as another user? |
| 00:58.48 | uncleben | simonrvn: no, that's .xinitrc. No .xsession file. |
| 00:58.53 | Thunderbird | Now that I have X Window server installed |
| 00:58.56 | Azhrarn | Even if blade's page is wonky |
| 00:58.57 | SJr | Anyone know how I can find out why a package is no longer offered. |
| 00:59.04 | Thunderbird | How can I install GUI?? |
| 00:59.04 | simonrvn | uncleben: stick that in an .xsession file |
| 00:59.14 | Thunderbird | Gnome or KDE? |
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| 00:59.18 | fgh | how to create a cups user for cupsaddsmb??? |
| 00:59.30 | Thunderbird | And mainly how do I start it??? |
| 00:59.35 | fgh | want to share printers |
| 00:59.35 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: install evilwm :) |
| 00:59.37 | SJr | Anyone know how I can find out why a package is no longer offered, like why it was removed? |
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| 00:59.55 | kdog | Any suggestions for how to remotely access a system which appears to be dead to ssh, though it's still returning web pages? |
| 01:00.00 | SJr | Anyone know how I can find out why a package is no longer offered, like why it was removed? Specifically, the kernel-patch-mppe package. |
| 01:00.03 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Do ya think its good? |
| 01:00.06 | Thunderbird | :-) |
| 01:00.11 | green-ears | as any one installed java by apt-get for unstable, because i am having no luck with the blackdown java |
| 01:00.13 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: i use it |
| 01:00.16 | delire | i have a setup almost identical to http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/klimkiewicz.html and echo $MAIL points to ~/Mail/Inbox, as does .fetchmailrc, yet somehow mail sent from mutt is still ending up in /var/mail/user. why is this? |
| 01:00.30 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: what did you have to do to get openbox3 to work? |
| 01:00.31 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Someone said blackbox used to be the best one! |
| 01:00.33 | Thunderbird | :) |
| 01:00.40 | bookmark1 | evilwm is the best |
| 01:00.40 | kdog | SJr: Try bugs.debian.org. If p.d.o was up you'd check there. |
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| 01:00.45 | Azhrarn | delire: edit /etc/muttrc |
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| 01:00.57 | kdog | delire: .forward |
| 01:00.57 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Please, how do I install the GUI? |
| 01:01.02 | tarzeau | did mentor mean themes with eye-candy ? |
| 01:01.04 | kdog | delire: Nevermind |
| 01:01.09 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: apt-gt install x-window-system |
| 01:01.11 | delire | kdog: .forward? ok <checks> |
| 01:01.12 | simonrvn | apt-get* |
| 01:01.13 | tarzeau | how do i change my mac address again? |
| 01:01.13 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: And the start! |
| 01:01.18 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: startx |
| 01:01.19 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, just had to remember where the config files went... |
| 01:01.26 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 01:01.26 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: I mean the DE! :) |
| 01:01.29 | greycat | tarzeau: man ifconfig |
| 01:01.35 | tarzeau | greycat: i did that! |
| 01:01.36 | bookmark1 | you might need a /root/.xinitrc file |
| 01:01.38 | kdog | delire: You need to set your default mailbox in ~/.muttrc. |
| 01:01.41 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: you might need a /root/.xinitrc file |
| 01:01.45 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I have a .config/openbox/menu.xml file with the appropriate menu that I stole from elsewhere... |
| 01:01.45 | skermajo | i've just patched my 2.6-test11 kernel with a previously not included driver. do i have to change the kernel config to make it compile, or will it compile automatically when i compile the kernel ? |
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| 01:01.50 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: echo startkde >> ~/.xsession |
| 01:01.55 | kdog | tarzeau: IIRC, ifedit, or ifconfig. |
| 01:01.57 | greycat | tarzeau: "hw class address" section |
| 01:02.10 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Whats that?? |
| 01:02.16 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ok, so it uses the xml.. i have that.. despite that, it doesn't load it |
| 01:02.20 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Why echo? |
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| 01:02.21 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: did you try startx at all? |
| 01:02.22 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: a command |
| 01:02.28 | sfr__ | mayday, mayday: mount: /dev/media_vg/mythtv_lv is not a valid block device with LVM1 and xfs. any hints/Urls? |
| 01:02.30 | platform | simonrvn: echo "happy newyears" >> /dev/simonrvn |
| 01:02.31 | micklweiss_lapto | where can i get the manpage for debootstrap |
| 01:02.32 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Yes! |
| 01:02.37 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: danke |
| 01:02.38 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: did it load up? |
| 01:02.43 | micklweiss_lapto | google cames up short |
| 01:02.43 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: that's the xml file that I use currently... |
| 01:02.44 | Thunderbird | The X Window server started |
| 01:02.45 | simonrvn | platform: HNY to you too dude |
| 01:02.48 | bookmark1 | oh great |
| 01:02.48 | tarzeau | ah perfect |
| 01:02.54 | delire | kdog: as i set, this is done |
| 01:02.56 | bookmark1 | apt-get install evilwm |
| 01:02.59 | platform | simonrvn: well, got a few hours for us yet, but still its close |
| 01:03.04 | simonrvn | yup |
| 01:03.09 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: OK |
| 01:03.12 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I think you need the rc.xml as well... |
| 01:03.14 | Aklis | jue ene 1 02:03:27 CET 2004 |
| 01:03.14 | bztunk | ~info evilwm |
| 01:03.19 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: And the start? |
| 01:03.20 | Aklis | hi ppl...happy new year |
| 01:03.22 | delire | must be the .forward |
| 01:03.36 | bookmark1 | yeah try startx after that |
| 01:03.39 | platform | simonrvn: sounds like a good time to get that x86 working finally :) Start the machine right at midnitght and watch its uptime :) |
| 01:03.40 | bztunk | hahaha evilwm really exists |
| 01:03.42 | bookmark1 | it's not really much of a gui though |
| 01:03.43 | bookmark1 | ehehehe |
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| 01:03.56 | platform | mentor! |
| 01:03.57 | bookmark1 | you'll need to have xterm installed as well |
| 01:04.00 | simonrvn | platform: wee |
| 01:04.03 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: lol |
| 01:04.05 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: have that also |
| 01:04.06 | micklweiss_lapto | found it :) |
| 01:04.13 | bookmark1 | so: atp-get install evilwm xterm |
| 01:04.28 | simonrvn | (pts/3 ~/.config/openbox) |
| 01:04.29 | bookmark1 | apt even |
| 01:04.30 | | odd |
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| 01:04.44 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: DO ya think it'll start automatically with Xserv?? |
| 01:04.47 | simonrvn | debian-menu.xml menu.xml rc.xml |
| 01:04.51 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: yeah |
| 01:04.54 | Thunderbird | the evilwm |
| 01:04.57 | simonrvn | plus .bak files and stuff |
| 01:04.58 | Thunderbird | ? |
| 01:05.06 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 01:05.11 | bookmark1 | because debconf will registart it with the x-window-manager variable |
| 01:05.14 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, you need a <menu><file>/home/foo/.config/openbox/menu.xml</file></menu> in the rc.xml... |
| 01:05.21 | bookmark1 | .... register |
| 01:05.22 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ooh |
| 01:05.25 | mentor | troubled: ! |
| 01:05.29 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Aha! |
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| 01:05.55 | delire | xsdg: in the documentation for mutt i can't see where to set new macro's. for instance i want a keybind for fetchmail |
| 01:05.56 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: You know, I'm a Debian novice, so thats why I'm asking! :)) |
| 01:05.56 | bztunk | ¤ |
| 01:05.56 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: lemme send you the rc.xml too... might be usefull. |
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| 01:06.05 | bookmark1 | although....if you want Thunderbird, here is my .xinitrc file which will make things a little nicer: http://3dcomics.org/linux/.xinitrc |
| 01:06.07 | xsdg | delire: dunno, sorry |
| 01:06.17 | troubled | xsdg! |
| 01:06.24 | simonrvn | bztunk: you on utf8? |
| 01:06.25 | bookmark1 | ctrl+alt+1234567 are virtual desktops |
| 01:06.28 | delire | kdog: do you know how to set macro's in mutt? |
| 01:06.28 | greycat | delire: I have this one: bind index y next-unread |
| 01:06.30 | bztunk | simonrvn: yeah :D |
| 01:06.31 | troubled | xsdg: I cant forget a staff name like that heh |
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| 01:06.37 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Hows that with a registry in Debian, is it like the one on MS Windows? |
| 01:06.41 | troubled | xsdg: tell lilo HNY too :) |
| 01:06.41 | simonrvn | bztunk: i saw that euro symbol :) |
| 01:06.42 | greycat | delire: there's a #mutt also |
| 01:06.43 | xsdg | troubled: hey |
| 01:06.47 | bookmark1 | there aint no registry |
| 01:06.47 | delire | greycat: right, in the .rc? |
| 01:06.52 | delire | greycat: ok cool |
| 01:06.54 | greycat | delire: yes |
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| 01:06.59 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Thx! But whats there? |
| 01:07.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: that's my standard C-F1..F9 virtual desktops... [F10 and F11 are the middlee and right buttons on this box] |
| 01:07.14 | troubled | well, looks like I am gonna get sucked into new years on irc again heh |
| 01:07.14 | simonrvn | debian. uses. xsession. |
| 01:07.19 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 01:07.21 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: what wm? |
| 01:07.31 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: openbox3 |
| 01:07.32 | ryan_ | I have some goofy USB HID questions -- My USB Keyboards doesn't work unless I have a keyboard plugged into the PS/2 Port and then I can type on either. |
| 01:07.38 | mentor | troubled: damn these addictive keyboards. |
| 01:07.43 | troubled | simonrvn: how can you guys be talkin about computers tonight? hehe |
| 01:07.45 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: 3? |
| 01:08.00 | troubled | mentor: I know, I just ordered one of those irc patches, no luck so far :) |
| 01:08.02 | simonrvn | troubled: becuase we can :) |
| 01:08.06 | simonrvn | cau* |
| 01:08.07 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: its just a new version of openbox... works reasonably well. |
| 01:08.15 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Is there any similar structure like the registry in Windows? |
| 01:08.25 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: heh ok |
| 01:08.28 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: no |
| 01:09.00 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice Registry |
| 01:09.05 | ryan_ | any ideas on why my USB keyboard wouldn't work until I plugged in a PS/2 keyboard [even though right now i'm typing on the usb keyboard |
| 01:09.06 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Aha, so files in etc directory instead of it?? |
| 01:09.21 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: let me guess, you have a mac mouse there ;). get yourself an adb 3-button mouse :) |
| 01:09.22 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: yeah *shrug* |
| 01:09.42 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I have a 5 button (well, 7 in unix speak) mouse to the right of the box... |
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| 01:09.57 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: but I use it alot without a mouse... [its the tibook] |
| 01:10.03 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oh ok :). aah |
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| 01:10.15 | ferret | Hi there. happy enw year folks. Does someone here mind helping me test something quite small? |
| 01:10.17 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Can ya tell whats the main difference between Linux and Windows? |
| 01:10.18 | ferret | new* :/ |
| 01:10.25 | troubled | bah, who set that topic? Im a northern westerner damnit! |
| 01:10.29 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: I mean in a memory access |
| 01:10.30 | simonrvn | linux > winbloze |
| 01:10.36 | bookmark1 | about 50 billion dollars |
| 01:10.36 | bztunk | haha |
| 01:10.37 | dondelelcaro | troubled: bob2 |
| 01:10.40 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: totally different |
| 01:10.43 | troubled | bob2: you zoof! |
| 01:10.51 | greycat | troubled: I was wondering that myself -- it's those *easterners* who get the new year first |
| 01:10.52 | dondelelcaro | !seen fooz |
| 01:10.53 | dpkg | fooz is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 1d 15h 21m 54s |
| 01:10.54 | troubled | bookmark1: lol |
| 01:11.09 | troubled | greycat: your in europe I assume? |
| 01:11.22 | greycat | troubled: no, USA. It's 20:11 on 2003-12-31 here |
| 01:11.27 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: I mean the fact that you can even kill any process running on there |
| 01:11.32 | troubled | greycat: cool, same here :) |
| 01:11.34 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Is that true? |
| 01:11.39 | ryan_ | 19:11 here |
| 01:11.41 | troubled | simonrvn: what time you got? |
| 01:11.46 | troubled | ryan_: 911! eek! |
| 01:11.49 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: no you can't. you can, but some you don't want to kill ;) |
| 01:11.59 | Aklis | 02:11 on 2004-01-01 here (spain) |
| 01:12.04 | ryan_ | we've taken down all of our buildings that are over 10 stories |
| 01:12.05 | simonrvn | jeu jan 1 01:12:04 UTC 2004 |
| 01:12.27 | troubled | simonrvn: bah, your no good. your already past! |
| 01:12.30 | ryan_ | and the gov't is sniping anybody walking down the streets that aren't waving a flag |
| 01:12.38 | troubled | ryan_: :) |
| 01:12.48 | simonrvn | troubled: UTC man. this *is* *nix :P |
| 01:12.52 | troubled | simonrvn: rofl |
| 01:12.54 | ferret | Can someone help me with something? I have a problem with /usr/include/linux/ac97_codec.h and want to see if someone else can replicate the problem. |
| 01:12.57 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: But dont you suppose it great when you can stop a process from a remote PC? |
| 01:13.03 | simonrvn | troubled: freenode standard time |
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| 01:13.13 | Azhrarn | [08:13pm] |
| 01:13.15 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: In Windows you cant do that! |
| 01:13.18 | Thunderbird | :-) |
| 01:13.20 | ryan_ | according to sterling.freenode.net it's 1:13:06 +0 |
| 01:13.32 | delire | greycat: so with fetchmail configured like http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/klimkiewicz.html and a correctly set $MAIL, fetchmail should just dump new mail into the inbox every n minutes yes? |
| 01:13.35 | greycat | Wed Dec 31 20:13:34 EST 2003 |
| 01:13.35 | greycat | Thu Jan 1 01:13:34 UTC 2004 |
| 01:13.36 | troubled | Thunderbird: terminal services |
| 01:13.53 | Azhrarn | EASTSI-EED |
| 01:14.05 | pattern__ | my laptop screen blanks from time to time in X, but i don't have a screen saver running... how do i control the blanking interval (ie. to turn it off) ? |
| 01:14.21 | greycat | delire: uh... without reading that URL, a default fetchmail configuration will deliver mail to localhost port 25, at which point the MTA handles it. |
| 01:14.38 | greycat | delire: I haven't been on dial-up for years now, so I don't use fetchmail any mre |
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| 01:14.53 | bookmark1 | pattern__: probably the power managment stuff either in the kernel or your bios |
| 01:15.01 | bookmark1 | if it's in the kernel you'd have to recompile |
| 01:15.08 | delire | greycat: what do you use to fetch mail? |
| 01:15.28 | troubled | delire: my feet? |
| 01:15.34 | greycat | delire: it's delivered to me in the normal way. I have a static IP and broadband. I run an MTA. I have my own domain. |
| 01:15.42 | delire | troubled: innovative. do you have a .deb |
| 01:15.43 | pattern__ | bookmark, i boot with a kernel option of "apm=off", shouldn't that disable all power managment features? |
| 01:15.50 | delire | greycat: right |
| 01:15.55 | troubled | delire: apt-get install troubled :) |
| 01:15.56 | bztunk | greycat: lucky :) |
| 01:16.00 | bookmark1 | i do not have that information |
| 01:16.02 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: So can I only install DE when I want to run it with X window server? |
| 01:16.05 | sladegen | pattern__: no its proly DPM or smth like that.. read X's man pages and look for blank keyward |
| 01:16.07 | delire | troubled: great start to the new year ;) |
| 01:16.09 | greycat | bztunk: no, I paid for it. They charge me $20/month just for the static IP. |
| 01:16.15 | troubled | delire: but of course hehe |
| 01:16.19 | pattern__ | sladegen, thank you, i will do that |
| 01:16.26 | bztunk | greycat: with the bandwith? |
| 01:16.27 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: apt-get install gnome? |
| 01:16.34 | troubled | greycat: your isp allow you to buy more than one static ip? |
| 01:16.35 | Azhrarn | greedy bastards |
| 01:16.39 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: for instance |
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| 01:16.45 | ryan_ | bleh, i should be out partying |
| 01:16.47 | bztunk | greycat: hum nm, only the ip... omg |
| 01:16.53 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Is that correct? |
| 01:16.55 | sladegen | DPMS.... bleh i forget exatly ;() dont have X handy.. |
| 01:16.59 | greycat | bztunk: ADSL 512/256 kbps. $40/month standard, +$20/month for static IP. |
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| 01:17.18 | bztunk | greycat: use dyndns and save 20$ month :D |
| 01:17.20 | greycat | troubled: I only needed one, so I didn't investigate |
| 01:18.08 | mutter | Does anyone here happen to know an easy way to forward an email and all of its attachments? |
| 01:18.09 | troubled | greycat: well, you would be lucky if they let you. My commercial package is either 3 dynamic or 1 static. NO option for custom reverse dns or more statics unless I upgrade packages |
| 01:18.21 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: for example |
| 01:18.29 | greycat | troubled: that's pretty bad |
| 01:18.49 | Azhrarn | bounce it :D |
| 01:18.53 | bztunk | i want to make my own isp. i'll have no static/dynamic ip shit |
| 01:18.55 | greycat | troubled: I mean, for a "commercial" package. You'd expect better service. |
| 01:18.58 | adamhall | anyone set up USB HP ScanJet before? |
| 01:19.19 | troubled | greycat: that and currently my forward dns is town for the whole town Im in. dns reverse is fine, but what it points to dont resolve anymore, that and the dhcp appointed domain doesnt match either of them :( |
| 01:19.34 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Tell me what is the default GUI?? |
| 01:19.40 | troubled | been down for a week now at least |
| 01:19.42 | delire | greycat: can you reccomend a good MTA? how does exim compare to others these days? |
| 01:19.52 | sladegen | pattern__: try xset... tho its not 100% guaraneed |
| 01:19.55 | troubled | delire: i like exim. works fine to me |
| 01:19.58 | greycat | delire: use whichever one you like best |
| 01:20.03 | simonrvn | Thunderbird: the one you have installed |
| 01:20.04 | greycat | delire: anything but sendmail. |
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| 01:20.09 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: The one run with installed x server for the first time |
| 01:20.13 | delire | greycat: hehe i was about to ask |
| 01:20.26 | oskie | exim works fine here too. ssmtp is all you need on most workstations though |
| 01:20.27 | Azhrarn | exim seems to be the debian project's choice |
| 01:20.29 | pattern__ | sladegen, thank you... i just tried "xset s noblank"... now i'm going to wait and see if it works... thanks again! |
| 01:20.32 | troubled | delire: qmail seemed ok, but has a crappy license (read non-free) |
| 01:20.38 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: I mean if I only install x server |
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| 01:20.48 | Azhrarn | qmail is nice, but is considered non-free, and can be a bit annoying to set up initially |
| 01:20.50 | oskie | greycat: why qmail? |
| 01:21.12 | greycat | oskie: because at the time I revolted against sendmail, that's all there was. And it's really good once you know it. |
| 01:21.14 | holycow | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200312/msg01986.html <-- *ooo* apt-secure will be merged into apt proper. so there will finally be very tight apt security, nice, very nice :) |
| 01:21.18 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: i think it's twm but i could be wrong |
| 01:21.26 | troubled | oskie: qmail is broken up in to many individual programs each with their own user/group id and helps make things secure by design |
| 01:21.27 | Azhrarn | qmail is small, fast, and stable. THe author has some annoying viewpoints on how certain things hsould be done though |
| 01:21.39 | bookmark1 | but twm has a bug with mozilla |
| 01:21.43 | bookmark1 | thats why i use evil |
| 01:21.53 | Thunderbird | simonrvn: Is it correct that I always must hold down a mouse button when I want the menu to be shown up?? |
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| 01:21.59 | oskie | troubled: it sounds to me like that design is prone to weird errors... |
| 01:22.18 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: what wm are you using? |
| 01:22.23 | greycat | oskie: no, it works wonderfully once it's configured |
| 01:22.24 | delire | troubled: greycat: totally new to the MTA way of doing things. been hanging off sylpheed for too long |
| 01:22.32 | troubled | oskie: well, from what I remember, debuging can be a pain cause you cant enable one all encompassing debug flag like you could with a standalone exe like exim |
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| 01:22.42 | mutter | Azhrarn: Thanks. Bouncing seems to work. |
| 01:22.45 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: I dont know |
| 01:22.48 | Thunderbird | :-)) |
| 01:22.49 | Azhrarn | np |
| 01:22.53 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: the default one |
| 01:22.54 | bookmark1 | > |
| 01:22.56 | bookmark1 | ? |
| 01:22.57 | pneuma | why does a folder have to be chmod o+x for an other user to be able to cd into it? |
| 01:23.10 | greycat | pneuma: because that's what +x perms do on dirs |
| 01:23.10 | Azhrarn | qmail makes it easy to wrap certain parts of the mail process |
| 01:23.14 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: I only have installed X server |
| 01:23.23 | bookmark1 | then that's twm, i think |
| 01:23.25 | Thunderbird | and there was some GUI already installed |
| 01:23.30 | Thunderbird | so dont know... |
| 01:23.32 | troubled | pneuma: cause +x for a dir means your allowed to traverse into it in unix speak |
| 01:23.33 | sladegen | it is |
| 01:23.33 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: do: dpkg -l twm |
| 01:23.37 | pneuma | greycat: but what if I don't want others to be able to execute inside it? |
| 01:23.44 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: see if it's installed |
| 01:23.46 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Whats the command? |
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| 01:24.05 | Azhrarn | and no damn M4 |
| 01:24.12 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: dpkg -l lists installed packages, specifying twm will only list twm if it is installed |
| 01:24.13 | sladegen | pneuma: chmod o-x dir |
| 01:24.37 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Aha |
| 01:24.40 | fgh | printing = cup printcap name = cups |
| 01:24.53 | pneuma | sladegen: no i want ability to traverse into and read but not execute |
| 01:24.55 | fgh | reichen deie beiden aus in der smb.conf das ich von windows auf den drucker komme? |
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| 01:25.09 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Can I use twm and twice TAB?? |
| 01:25.26 | fgh | laut docu ist es so, aber klappt hier nicht |
| 01:25.26 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: uh... say what honky? |
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| 01:25.55 | troubled | pneuma: +x on a dir doesnt mean the same as a file +x |
| 01:26.12 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: I mean how do I find a file?? |
| 01:26.17 | Thunderbird | in a console |
| 01:26.17 | greycat | pneuma: +x on a dir means other people can cd in, and they can open files in that directory *IF* they also have +r on the files. Etc. |
| 01:26.20 | troubled | pneuma: +x just means users can enter the dir and sub dirs. the files still have to be +x to be executable |
| 01:26.22 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: you could try blackbox, fluxbox, enlightenment |
| 01:26.32 | sladegen | pneuma: tried rw- ... sorry never had that problem really ;( still coping with multiple me-users on one box schizophrenia |
| 01:26.34 | bookmark1 | don't do kde gnome shit, they are just bloated |
| 01:26.44 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Is it in the standard CD dist? |
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| 01:27.03 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: updatedb && locate whatever.file |
| 01:27.29 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: or updagedb then locate whatever.file |
| 01:27.48 | pneuma | oh okay. i think i get it. if it is o+rx but not o+w and no files in it are o+x then others can't execute or create and executable in it! |
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| 01:27.51 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: i think some of those are |
| 01:27.59 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: enlightenment is |
| 01:28.09 | troubled | pneuma: thats right |
| 01:28.12 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: but like i said, i use evilwm cuz it's sweet! |
| 01:28.24 | troubled | pneuma: soon as you make the dir +w, then people can create files in it |
| 01:28.34 | marton | i'd like to change the font size in console. I've tried editing vga= in lilo.conf but it seems to get stomped when the boot switches to that pic of tux at the top of the screen. what can i change to get smaller font size? |
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| 01:29.01 | troubled | pneuma: another odd trick is if the dir is +x and -r, then can go into the dir and read files, but they cant list the files. it would require them to know the file name ahead of time |
| 01:29.07 | bookmark1 | marton, recompile your kernel probably |
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| 01:29.38 | pneuma | thanks everyone |
| 01:29.41 | marton | bookmark1 egad! that seems kind of severe just to change the font |
| 01:29.55 | bookmark1 | marton: so use X |
| 01:30.05 | sladegen | marton: console-tools ... |
| 01:30.07 | bookmark1 | make a full screen xterm and stfu |
| 01:30.22 | bookmark1 | oh... or do that |
| 01:30.29 | marton | bookmark1 though i'm about to recompile anyway. where would i look for that in the config? |
| 01:30.31 | caligula | can't a nerd just stay home in peace today? |
| 01:30.55 | marton | sladegen i'll have to check that out |
| 01:31.13 | sladegen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.13 | bookmark1 | try what marton said. now that i think about it you probably only need to recompile to change the resolution, which isn't nessecarily the same as changing the font size |
| 01:31.29 | Thunderbird | l |
| 01:31.36 | Stripes | what's the name they gave for unstable? |
| 01:31.39 | EspeonEefi | marton: You're not supposed to be using the original installation kernel anyways... |
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| 01:32.18 | sladegen | bookmark1: you are almost correct ;) |
| 01:32.19 | EspeonEefi | marton: That's what the kernel-image-2.*.*-arch are for... |
| 01:32.46 | marton | EspeonEefi actually, i have recompiled using kernel-package since, with new sources (stock from 3.0r2 install cds) |
| 01:32.47 | Thunderbird | Shit! I just poured a lemonade into the keyboard! :-)) |
| 01:32.53 | bookmark1 | yea... recompile=use specific kernel options |
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| 01:32.56 | dondelelcaro | Thunderbird: bummer. |
| 01:32.59 | bookmark1 | whatever |
| 01:33.23 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: and this makes you smile? |
| 01:33.34 | sladegen | Thunderbird: dont drink and irc |
| 01:33.36 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: let me get some of whatever you're smoking |
| 01:34.02 | Thunderbird | No!! :-)) |
| 01:34.21 | Thunderbird | Whats that special about it? |
| 01:34.23 | Thunderbird | lol |
| 01:34.42 | bookmark1 | is that cigaweed? |
| 01:34.45 | Thunderbird | Only a little. |
| 01:34.57 | bookmark1 | he's smoking a cigaweed! |
| 01:35.06 | EspeonEefi | marton: Huh! When I recompile, I don't have the little penguin any more... |
| 01:35.09 | Azhrarn | Cloves! |
| 01:35.26 | bookmark1 | ewww |
| 01:35.30 | bookmark1 | tobacco is nast |
| 01:35.32 | Thunderbird | No!! |
| 01:35.36 | greycat | EspeonEefi: you disabled the frame buffer |
| 01:35.39 | Thunderbird | I dont smoke!! |
| 01:35.45 | Azhrarn | snort? |
| 01:35.45 | EspeonEefi | Ah... |
| 01:35.55 | bookmark1 | you just get drunk a lot don't you? |
| 01:36.20 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: Absoletule not!!! |
| 01:36.27 | marton | greycat that's a useful piece of info |
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| 01:36.32 | sladegen | ~start drugflamewar |
| 01:36.37 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: sure wink wink i beleive you |
| 01:36.37 | Thunderbird | bookmark1: I'm a non-drinker!! :-)) |
| 01:37.00 | bookmark1 | Thunderbird: i saw you slip that in your coffee |
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| 01:37.41 | holycow | http://www.xfree86.org/#core <-- wow |
| 01:38.13 | bookmark1 | wtf |
| 01:38.14 | bookmark1 | why? |
| 01:38.21 | sladegen | actually water is a deadly solvent |
| 01:38.21 | bookmark1 | they've been at it like 12 years |
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| 01:38.39 | holycow | bookmark, v good question i have no clue |
| 01:38.48 | holycow | http://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40xfree86.org/msg04639.html |
| 01:39.07 | bookmark1 | holycow: can't someone pick up the torch? |
| 01:39.22 | holycow | i dont even know what it means |
| 01:39.22 | xsdg | bookmark1: huh? |
| 01:39.23 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | HAPPY NEW YEAR! LINUX RLZ! |
| 01:39.39 | holycow | it almost seems like they are handing the torch over to freedesktop.org and xouvert and others |
| 01:39.42 | xsdg | bookmark1: core dissolving doesn't mean xfree is gone... it just means the core is dissolved |
| 01:39.53 | holycow | yeah that too |
| 01:40.08 | xsdg | bookmark1: note that it mentions that most of the contributions (which may or may not be biased) come from non-core |
| 01:40.24 | bookmark1 | ok |
| 01:40.25 | holycow | xsdg, and from what i've read most of the problems came from the core |
| 01:40.27 | tarzeau | i'd love to have http://master.debian.org/~edd/karma.txt back again |
| 01:40.35 | holycow | ie politics overshadowing technical merrit, etc. |
| 01:40.43 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Hi! |
| 01:40.55 | tarzeau | hi Thunderbird |
| 01:40.58 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Are ya tired? :-)) |
| 01:41.02 | bookmark1 | those were just the main contributers and overseers to x86? |
| 01:41.05 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | ... someone can help me... durin the kde initialization, i recive an error sayin "could not start ksmeserver" someone knows how do I solve it??????? |
| 01:41.08 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: yes, i built 3 debian packages! |
| 01:41.09 | bookmark1 | xfree86 i mean |
| 01:41.16 | holycow | bookmark1, i believe so |
| 01:41.19 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: from scratch |
| 01:41.28 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | SCO sucks!!! |
| 01:41.29 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Built? |
| 01:41.38 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: developed |
| 01:41.38 | micklweiss_lapto | simonrvn: do you know of a howto on using dbootstrap to install a remote system |
| 01:41.39 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: How can on do that? |
| 01:41.43 | micklweiss_lapto | i am looking at http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/powerpc/ch-init-config.en.html |
| 01:41.46 | Stripes | where could I find some sid bittorrents? |
| 01:41.51 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 01:42.01 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | ... someone can help me... durin the kde initialization, i recive an error sayin "could not start ksmeserver" someone knows how do I solve it??????? |
| 01:42.02 | micklweiss_lapto | and it isn't very obvious |
| 01:42.05 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ gnustep stuff: waiho, lusernet and freetar |
| 01:42.22 | bookmark1 | Stripes: just backyp your /var/apt/cache once you install it once |
| 01:42.25 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Wow |
| 01:42.30 | bookmark1 | make a tar.gz |
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| 01:42.42 | micklweiss_lapto | i can only put in the boot floppy, then the root.bin floppy |
| 01:42.52 | micklweiss_lapto | after that, everything is too fuzzy to read |
| 01:42.58 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: i'll package netclasses and TalkSoup too once they are ready, and ViewPDF, but now on with GSMBrowser ;) |
| 01:43.00 | Stripes | what does backing up my cache have to do with where I can find some bittorrents? |
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| 01:43.14 | bookmark1 | Stripes: sid is just the files it's made up |
| 01:43.15 | bookmark1 | of |
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| 01:43.21 | fgh | hi |
| 01:43.30 | Azhrarn | micklweiss_lapto: http://trilldev.sf.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 01:43.34 | fgh | printing = cups |
| 01:43.34 | fgh | printcap name = cups |
| 01:43.34 | fgh | That's all there is to it! Remote users will now be able to browse and print to printers on your system. |
| 01:43.34 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | ... someone can help me... durin the kde initialization, i recive an error sayin "could not start ksmeserver" someone knows how do I solve it??????? |
| 01:43.37 | fgh | but dont work |
| 01:43.45 | micklweiss_lapto | Azhrarn: thanks |
| 01:43.47 | sladegen | Stripes: gotta watch out for that torrent |
| 01:43.49 | Azhrarn | np |
| 01:43.52 | bookmark1 | copy them back in the cache from your backed up gz and run dist-upgrade |
| 01:44.02 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Can ya tell me something? |
| 01:44.03 | bookmark1 | good as a sid iso |
| 01:44.10 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: too fucking weird. my settings - except a few here and there - are very similar to yours ,but it refuses to load the menus |
| 01:44.10 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: something |
| 01:44.15 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: yeah sure, just ask |
| 01:44.39 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: How do I install packages and start them? |
| 01:44.41 | delire | greycat: the one thing i am stuck on is mutt -v still pointing to a MAILPATH=/var/mail when echo $MAIL is ~/Mail/. why would this be? nothing in the .muttrc points to /var/mail |
| 01:45.03 | greycat | delire: because the mailpath is compiled in |
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| 01:45.32 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: what do you want to install? usually you do apt-get install package |
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| 01:46.22 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: the package - it's only a name or a whole path? |
| 01:46.35 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: it's one of apt-cache pkgnames |
| 01:46.46 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Aha |
| 01:46.54 | mwilson | simonrvn: Are you having fun? |
| 01:46.56 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: And what's the cache? |
| 01:47.03 | Juz_visiting | is there an apt-get for jdk1.4 for sid with the packages page down I'm kinda lost |
| 01:47.07 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: dict will tell |
| 01:47.16 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: dict cache (apt-get install dict) |
| 01:47.28 | mwilson | Juz_visiting: Debian does not package Java. |
| 01:47.31 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: but you probably want man apt-cache anyways |
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| 01:47.39 | SJr | how do I find an older package? |
| 01:47.42 | EspeonEefi | Juz_visiting: There isn't. |
| 01:47.49 | Juz_visiting | o ok one of those licensing thing? |
| 01:47.50 | delire | greycat: right.. where and how do i change this? |
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| 01:47.55 | tarzeau | Juz_visiting: you want to develop software to solve a problem? |
| 01:47.56 | simonrvn | mwilson: why do you ask? |
| 01:48.00 | mwilson | Juz_visiting: Gods only know why you'd need packages.d.o to determine that. |
| 01:48.01 | revengeslayer | hi, how is it possible to prevent 'nohup' doing this: nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' ??? |
| 01:48.04 | tarzeau | Juz_visiting: and they say you need to do it with java? |
| 01:48.06 | mwilson | simonrvn: Your comment about menus. |
| 01:48.07 | greycat | delire: you don't |
| 01:48.14 | greycat | delire: it's just the default if $MAIL isn't set |
| 01:48.16 | DarK_hyo_Schenei | someone have news about kernel 2.6, or knows a website that have???????? |
| 01:48.19 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: You know - I want to explain that compared to Windows if you know! |
| 01:48.20 | revengeslayer | i want to launch a program in background with nohup, but don't want it to create a nohup.out file |
| 01:48.20 | sladegen | !tell Juz_visiting find jdk1.4 sid |
| 01:48.21 | bookmark1 | revengeslayer: ehehe |
| 01:48.28 | Juz_visiting | asking for a guy that won't come in here as he was eat alive last time ;-) |
| 01:48.33 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 01:48.34 | Justin_ | !tell DarK_hyo_Schenei about ep |
| 01:48.35 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: As I am still used to them |
| 01:48.38 | bookmark1 | revengeslayer: exit |
| 01:48.49 | revengeslayer | bookmark1 get real kid |
| 01:48.56 | bookmark1 | revengeslayer: that's what i do |
| 01:48.57 | simonrvn | mwilson: openbox3's fucked up menus |
| 01:49.01 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: turn on autoraise and focus follows mouse, you won't ever be able to go back |
| 01:49.02 | EspeonEefi | Juz_visiting: apt-cache is your friend, while packages.d.o is down. |
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| 01:49.13 | bookmark1 | like: nohup xmms & then exit then exit |
| 01:49.18 | bookmark1 | then i spawn a new xterm |
| 01:49.21 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: within 10 minutes you'll destroy the mouse that is plugged to a windows machine |
| 01:49.22 | bookmark1 | so i don't get that shit to come up |
| 01:49.41 | Justin_ | uh, wtf do you need nohup for? |
| 01:49.42 | zxcv | why do you need to use nohup? |
| 01:49.50 | mwilson | simonrvn: Hm? What's wrong with ob's menus? |
| 01:49.56 | greycat | zxcv: man nohup |
| 01:49.58 | revengeslayer | to put a program in background :p |
| 01:50.01 | Steven_ | apt-get upgrade current_year |
| 01:50.01 | tarzeau | yeah there's screen |
| 01:50.09 | tarzeau | revengeslayer: you know program & disown ? |
| 01:50.12 | Steven_ | preparing to replace current_year:2003 with current_year:2004 |
| 01:50.13 | Steven_ | ? |
| 01:50.14 | Steven_ | ;) |
| 01:50.15 | bookmark1 | probably -q for quiet |
| 01:50.16 | greycat | bookmark1: I'm very fond of "disown" (bash specific) |
| 01:50.18 | Csan | hi, HNY! I'd really need the firmware file for Genius Vivid scanners - I'm trying to add support for model 4xe but I'm stuck as I need the file: ccd548.fw |
| 01:50.18 | revengeslayer | wtf |
| 01:50.21 | sladegen | DarK_hyo_Schenei: www.kernel.org ... and dont take it seriously |
| 01:50.24 | simonrvn | mwilson: despite my fiddling, they still don't work |
| 01:50.34 | bookmark1 | greycat: ? |
| 01:50.35 | mwilson | simonrvn: I came in late... be more specific. |
| 01:50.39 | bookmark1 | greycat: should i man that ehehe? |
| 01:50.43 | greycat | bookmark1: help disown |
| 01:50.44 | mwilson | simonrvn: I can guarantee you, they work. |
| 01:51.05 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: On the page there's nearly nothing! |
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| 01:51.12 | Csan | does anyone possess ccd548.fw firmware file by any chance? |
| 01:51.13 | tarzeau | mentor: do you mean if GNUstep has themes? |
| 01:51.17 | simonrvn | mwilson: i'm sure. it's just that despite my matching dondelelcaro's, they ain't kicking in |
| 01:51.23 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Explain by yourself, please! |
| 01:51.45 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: debian wants the best software, microsoft wants money, go figure yourself |
| 01:52.02 | micklweiss_lapto | am i retartded or is this one of the most complicated things ever, to install a remote system |
| 01:52.03 | bookmark1 | greycat: that's greek to me |
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| 01:52.12 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: I know!!! :-)) |
| 01:52.16 | mwilson | simonrvn: You're specifying the menu properly in your rc.xml file? Location, I mean. If you don't path it absolutely, then it has to appear in openbox's search order somewhere. |
| 01:52.20 | micklweiss_lapto | i have nothing on that computer's harddrive right now |
| 01:52.25 | greycat | bookmark1: "Oh damn, I forgot to nohup this job! Oh well, I'll just disown it." |
| 01:52.29 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Thats why I know so much about Debian! |
| 01:52.36 | mwilson | simonrvn: Also, openbox will tell you on stdout what it thinks is wrong. |
| 01:52.37 | bookmark1 | neat |
| 01:52.46 | micklweiss_lapto | only the installer loaded (woody) via boot floppy |
| 01:52.46 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: And I've chosen you to tell me! |
| 01:52.48 | Thunderbird | :)) |
| 01:52.50 | bookmark1 | but why no man page? |
| 01:53.09 | sladegen | bookmark1: its in man bash |
| 01:53.12 | micklweiss_lapto | i just can't see a damn thing now |
| 01:53.18 | Thunderbird | want to |
| 01:53.20 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: please be a bit more specific |
| 01:53.31 | mwilson | bookmark1: Since it's not a separate command, but a bash intrinsic, why would it have a man page? |
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| 01:53.53 | bookmark1 | mwilson, cuz butter is green? |
| 01:54.03 | mwilson | Or because you're stupid? |
| 01:54.08 | bztunk | diss |
| 01:54.09 | micklweiss_lapto | i figured that there would be a boot floppy that would load networking automatically and start an sshd |
| 01:54.20 | simonrvn | mwilson: i have. yes, but it popped that up in a dialogue box, and it disappeared too quickly each time |
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| 01:54.25 | micklweiss_lapto | and then just login and go through the install remotly |
| 01:54.44 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: OK! So first tell me when I install X windows server |
| 01:54.58 | mwilson | simonrvn: Popped what up in a dialog? Openbox has no facility to pop up dialog boxes. |
| 01:55.00 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: it's called x window |
| 01:55.02 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: if its enough to work |
| 01:55.03 | bookmark1 | oh shit, you type it after the fact in the same terminal, nice |
| 01:55.14 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Oh sorry |
| 01:55.15 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: yes, it's even enough to work without x |
| 01:55.22 | mwilson | simonrvn: Review ~/.xsession-errors, then, and see what it thinks is wrong. |
| 01:55.29 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Wait |
| 01:55.31 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: But |
| 01:55.43 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: There seems to be an error |
| 01:56.01 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: The cursor was a bit erroreous |
| 01:56.05 | greycat | (or Windows) |
| 01:56.08 | bookmark1 | i use your woman's openbo.....err.. sorry |
| 01:56.21 | bztunk | hahah |
| 01:56.23 | delire | greycat: so the best thing to do is to dpkg-reconfigure mutt with the new $MAIL already in place? |
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| 01:56.35 | greycat | ~lart delire |
| 01:56.40 | mwilson | I was right, he is just stupid. |
| 01:56.50 | sladegen | right |
| 01:56.56 | SJr | whats that crypto kernel package for debian? |
| 01:56.56 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: In some parts of the screen it remained there |
| 01:57.00 | delire | mwilson: drunkeness perhaps |
| 01:57.29 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 01:57.35 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: i don't have problems |
| 01:57.42 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: x is perfect, debian is perfect |
| 01:57.45 | tarzeau | everything works |
| 01:57.46 | mwilson | simonrvn: I happen to think that the XDG spec is one of the *stupidest* things the Gnome God-King has ever come up with, but it's a semi-accepted standard, so Ben follows it. |
| 01:57.47 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: OK, but is it correct |
| 01:58.03 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: when I must hold down a mouse button |
| 01:58.13 | xsdg | what's an app I can use to convert my id3 tags from iso-8859-1 to UTF8? |
| 01:58.13 | bztunk | ~xdg |
| 01:58.15 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: everytime |
| 01:58.29 | bztunk | !xdg |
| 01:58.30 | tarzeau | xsdg: recode |
| 01:58.34 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: I want the menu to be shown up |
| 01:58.36 | Thunderbird | ??? |
| 01:58.42 | bztunk | @xdg |
| 01:58.49 | delire | greycat: oh well maybe it's not my year for mutt, or at least my night |
| 01:58.50 | bookmark1 | omg wtf can't i cd to /win? (my fat32 drive) |
| 01:58.53 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: depends on what applications and x window manager you're talking about |
| 01:58.54 | bztunk | wtf is up with the bots |
| 01:58.55 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Do ya know what I mean? |
| 01:58.56 | sladegen | Thunderbird: use other wm for gods sake or configure it otherwise if you dare... |
| 01:59.08 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: no i have no clue, i think you should read the user manual first |
| 01:59.10 | greycat | bztunk: apparently they don't know what xdg is, either |
| 01:59.11 | delire | bookmark1: check permissions and /etc/fstab i would think |
| 01:59.28 | simonrvn | mwilson: i hadn't thought of that. thanks |
| 01:59.28 | sladegen | tarzeau: he uses twm i think ;() |
| 01:59.30 | bookmark1 | ah... |
| 01:59.31 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Is the manual contaned in the installation? |
| 01:59.32 | xsdg | tarzeau: hrm... |
| 01:59.34 | tarzeau | sladegen: lol |
| 01:59.38 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: yes |
| 01:59.39 | bztunk | greycat: but they don't even answer... |
| 01:59.47 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: check /usr/share/doc/YOURSOFTWARE |
| 01:59.54 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Is it in usr/share/doc? |
| 01:59.54 | xsdg | tarzeau: iirc, recode is a generic app... would I have to script it? |
| 01:59.56 | simonrvn | aha! |
| 01:59.57 | simonrvn | (/usr/bin/openbox:25257): Openbox-WARNING **: Attempted to access menu 'root-menu' but it does not exist. |
| 01:59.58 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: if not yoursoftware-doc might be |
| 01:59.59 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: lol |
| 02:00.04 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: usually |
| 02:00.09 | tarzeau | xsdg: yes |
| 02:00.15 | mwilson | simonrvn: That says it found the menu file, but it's not proper. |
| 02:00.17 | simonrvn | okaaay |
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| 02:00.49 | simonrvn | at least now i know what to fix |
| 02:00.56 | mwilson | simonrvn: It's referring to a particular clause INSIDE menu.xml (or whatever you've named it) |
| 02:00.59 | Thunderbird | tarzeau: Again it seems you cannot tell me exactly what I want to know |
| 02:01.11 | sladegen | Thunderbird: e.g. in windowmaker you can detach menu and have it on and on as a separate "window".... |
| 02:01.15 | mwilson | simonrvn: Put your menu file somewhere. |
| 02:01.19 | Thunderbird | And again cause of that damned slow irc!!!! |
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| 02:01.41 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: i can't read mind |
| 02:01.46 | mwilson | <menu id="root-menu" label="mwilson @ rei"> |
| 02:01.47 | simonrvn | mwilson: yeh |
| 02:02.01 | mwilson | You gots to have one of those in there somewhere. |
| 02:02.16 | tarzeau | Thunderbird: well i can, but not yours |
| 02:03.03 | Thunderbird | Yes, ahnd thats vbad!!! |
| 02:03.06 | Thunderbird | :)) |
| 02:03.15 | tommyj | what happened to the little toolbar in openbox? |
| 02:03.23 | Thunderbird | Dajmhned keyvboard!! |
| 02:03.25 | delire | greycat: astonishing and flailing stupidity aside, would you suggest compiling mutt from source to point to the env variable for my mail dir? |
| 02:03.26 | mwilson | What "little toolbar"? |
| 02:03.33 | Thunderbird | HNow it sucks |
| 02:03.46 | tommyj | mwilson: that little toolbar on the bottom with workspaces, window lists, etc. |
| 02:03.47 | Azhrarn | mutt works with my mail dir |
| 02:03.57 | quaqo | Happy new year to all (GMT+0 to GMT+3) debian users ! <grin> |
| 02:04.00 | quaqo | !!! |
| 02:04.00 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 02:04.02 | Azhrarn | there was a config option somewhere |
| 02:04.06 | tommyj | quaqo: happy new year! |
| 02:04.08 | tarzeau | helix: how much left? |
| 02:04.13 | delire | Azhrarn: i can't find / or see it |
| 02:04.20 | quaqo | tommyj: :) |
| 02:04.21 | greycat | delire: no. Setting $MAIL is all you need to do. |
| 02:04.44 | helix | tarzeau: 3 hours |
| 02:04.48 | mwilson | tommyj: Openbox has never had anything there that has "window lists". Openbox2 has the workspace name, the focused window, and the clock at the bottom. Openbox3, however, is a completely new application with no code in common with Openbox2. |
| 02:04.59 | delire | greycat: well is it set, and echo $MAIL points to the correct location yet mutt -v still points to /var/mail/.. |
| 02:05.13 | greycat | delire: ignore it, then! |
| 02:05.37 | tommyj | mwilson: oh, I see. thanks for the information :) |
| 02:05.48 | greycat | delire: by the way, ~/Mail/ is a very very weird Maildir location. Why are you sending your mail there instead of a more traditional ~/Maildir/ or ~/maildir/ ? |
| 02:05.54 | sladegen | delire: and when you run mutt it opens your /var/... box ??? duh |
| 02:06.08 | delire | sladegen: which is what i *don't want |
| 02:06.11 | tommyj | mwilson: any way to get that toolbar from Openbox2 in Openbox3? |
| 02:06.12 | greycat | sladegen: I'm guessing he has no mail in the place $MAIL is set to. |
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| 02:06.18 | delire | greycat: it's a left over from sylpheed |
| 02:06.28 | mwilson | delire: Read section 4.7 of the fine manual. |
| 02:06.41 | delire | greycat: yes approximately 4000 messages over 9 archives |
| 02:06.49 | sladegen | well its SOA#1 here so just rtfm and follow bcp |
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| 02:07.13 | delire | mwilson: right.. will do this |
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| 02:07.29 | mwilson | tommyj: Of course not. Perhaps you didn't bother to listen when I told you it was a completely new application with no code in common. |
| 02:08.07 | tommyj | mwilson: yes I did, but I wondered if there was a binary I could install. |
| 02:08.50 | Azhrarn | hrmm |
| 02:08.54 | tommyj | hmm, my gtk fonts are awfully large in openbox, any way to change this? |
| 02:08.57 | mwilson | tommyj: What binary would that be? Openbox2 doesn't provide a separate application that creates that bar. |
| 02:08.57 | Azhrarn | in my /etc/profile I have: |
| 02:08.57 | Azhrarn | MAIL=$HOME/Mail; export MAIL |
| 02:08.57 | Azhrarn | MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail; export MAILDIR |
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| 02:09.20 | tommyj | mwilson: well, I thought they probably had made a binary for openbox3, sorry... :\ |
| 02:09.21 | mwilson | tommyj: Same way you'd change them in anything else. Openbox neither knows nor cares about your GTK fonts. |
| 02:09.27 | delire | Azhrarn: yes i have this. echo $MAIL point tos ~/Mail |
| 02:09.29 | Azhrarn | also, try logging out and back in |
| 02:09.35 | Azhrarn | set MAILDIR as well |
| 02:09.45 | delire | Azhrarn: maybe that's it.. |
| 02:09.50 | tommyj | mwilson: no, I know that, but I've never done it before... |
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| 02:09.52 | delire | Azhrarn: thanks, you've been a great help ;) |
| 02:09.58 | Azhrarn | :) |
| 02:10.06 | Azhrarn | what was it MAILDIR? |
| 02:10.11 | Azhrarn | or just logging out? |
| 02:10.21 | delire | Azhrarn: yep.. it was MAILDIR ;) damn that wine ;) |
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| 02:10.26 | Azhrarn | hah |
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| 02:10.42 | greycat | Azhrarn: if you set MAIL to $HOME/Mail/ with the trailing slash, $MAILDIR is not required by mutt or bash |
| 02:10.47 | Azhrarn | yeah, the hardest part about qmail is making sure the maildir is set in all the right places |
| 02:10.51 | greycat | Maildirs ALWAYS HAVE TRAILING SLASHES! |
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| 02:11.25 | Azhrarn | heh |
| 02:11.41 | delire | anyway, this is boring. time to grab my girlfriend and shake some booty |
| 02:11.46 | delire | thanks et al |
| 02:11.52 | Azhrarn | would be nice if people actually wrote some clear documentation |
| 02:11.56 | greycat | it's wonderfully consistent. It's required in .qmail and to make bash read it, and to make mutt read it, and to make procmail deliver to it. |
| 02:12.05 | Azhrarn | it's pretty sad when someoen needs something like life with qmail to figure it out |
| 02:12.17 | greycat | LWQ is overengineered IMHO |
| 02:12.44 | mwilson | And did he bother to compile support for his IDE chipset into the kernel he's running? |
| 02:12.44 | greycat | qmail is *not* that complex unless you're running a dedicated 5000-virtual-domain mail ISP |
| 02:12.55 | mwilson | ack |
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| 02:14.28 | robink | I installed the basic GNOME desktop, but it didn't install icons for the desktop |
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| 02:14.42 | micklweiss_lapto | i have a quick partitioning question |
| 02:14.49 | micklweiss_lapto | when partitioning, there is length, base, size For the first block - do i put the base for the free partition |
| 02:15.13 | micklweiss_lapto | length: 2503530, base: 132, size: 1.2G Free Space |
| 02:15.26 | robink | another question: Why would traceroutes fail to work on my debian box when they work from a Windows machine on the same network? |
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| 02:15.36 | dyspnic | what do i type to update? thanks |
| 02:15.37 | micklweiss_lapto | do i do this: c; First Block: 132 |
| 02:15.41 | pneuma | robink: did you install "gnome-desktop-environment"? |
| 02:16.11 | micklweiss_lapto | robink: can you ping other computers on the network? |
| 02:16.19 | robink | micklweiss_lapto: Yes |
| 02:16.21 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 02:16.38 | robink | micklweiss_lapto: specifically, I can traceroute to other machines on the network, just not through the gateway |
| 02:16.50 | micklweiss_lapto | i'm in the [rocess of installing Debian on my 7600/132 |
| 02:16.59 | robink | pneuma: I don't have that package |
| 02:17.19 | micklweiss_lapto | process* |
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| 02:17.34 | micklweiss_lapto | and i'm trying to partition the drive |
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| 02:17.41 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: when you use fdisk then you normally would use "n" for new partition then something like "+100M" for size |
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| 02:17.50 | terr2 | are tehre any programmers in here today? |
| 02:17.55 | micklweiss_lapto | not on a mac |
| 02:18.35 | micklweiss_lapto | pneuma: i'm using woody, boot-floppies, and i'm now partitioning |
| 02:18.47 | pneuma | robink: its probably a different name in your version. try apt-cache search gnome and look for gnome-desktop or task-gnome-something |
| 02:19.10 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: why would you think i think you're on a mac? |
| 02:19.14 | micklweiss_lapto | this is what my current /dev/sda4/ looks like -> length: 2503530, base: 132, size: 1.2G Free Space |
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| 02:19.45 | micklweiss_lapto | pneuma: i figured that you read my initial comments |
| 02:19.47 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: when I am installing i usually just ctrl-f2 to another console and run fdisk |
| 02:20.59 | micklweiss_lapto | the length, base part |
| 02:21.10 | micklweiss_lapto | is base the starting block? |
| 02:21.21 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: i don't know what you mean by that. just create them to whatever size you want |
| 02:22.05 | micklweiss_lapto | nevrmind |
| 02:22.13 | pneuma | +400M +2000M etc. |
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| 02:23.06 | pneuma | when it asks for the first block just accept the default |
| 02:23.16 | helix | !seen peterS |
| 02:23.16 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 2415 messages. Is idling for 9d 3h 16m 1s |
| 02:23.20 | helix | jesus |
| 02:23.32 | Sebulba02 | wow |
| 02:23.54 | greycat | 2415 messages in how many days? |
| 02:24.26 | zignig | happy new year. |
| 02:24.52 | pneuma | screw the gregorian calendar |
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| 02:25.11 | greycat | it's the new year in UTC, which is what really matters |
| 02:25.25 | pneuma | UTC is based on the gregorian calendar too |
| 02:25.48 | Azhrarn | EST 4 EVAR |
| 02:25.48 | sladegen | recycle time |
| 02:26.09 | pneuma | ddate: "Today is Setting Orange, the 73rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169" |
| 02:26.17 | greycat | heh |
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| 02:26.41 | greycat | OK, UTC is second best after the Discordian calendar system. |
| 02:27.09 | dyspnic | Happy New Year |
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| 02:28.43 | pneuma | mdate: Tzolkin Date: 13 Ahau, Haab Date: 8 Kankin |
| 02:28.51 | sladegen | just live by the seconds from 1970... celebrate every couple of millions or billions ;) |
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| 02:29.32 | sladegen | pneuma: heh yay i just put apt-cache search ayan on | less ;) |
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| 02:30.20 | dyspnic | is it correct: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade? |
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| 02:30.38 | greycat | dyspnic: yes |
| 02:30.45 | dyspnic | thankyou. |
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| 02:31.16 | dyspnic | seems i remember some switches like showupgraded or some such thing. |
| 02:31.45 | micklweiss_lapto | i feel like throwing this mac out the window |
| 02:31.46 | EspeonEefi | How are you supposed to get $MAIL to point to a maildir in login.defs? |
| 02:32.12 | cybertek | hey, anyone know where I can find the Xserver S3 (for XFree86 4) for i386 debian? |
| 02:32.14 | greycat | EspeonEefi: I don't think you can. I do it in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or similar. |
| 02:32.29 | wantWiki | has anyone gotten Wikipedia working on their local machines? or does anyone here know "mysql"? what can't I just run "mysqld cur_table.sql" in one shell and then run "mysql" to access it in another shell? |
| 02:32.32 | greycat | it would be *really nice* if /etc/environment could do it, but no..... |
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| 02:32.55 | EspeonEefi | So the $MAIL_DIR and $QMAIL_DIR don't work? |
| 02:33.02 | EspeonEefi | That's what I've been trying. |
| 02:33.53 | greycat | EspeonEefi: I don't know; I just did it the simplest way I could find, which was .profile (I'm still using that file, yes) |
| 02:33.54 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: i thought you said you weren't on a mac. |
| 02:34.21 | micklweiss_lapto | i said i AM |
| 02:34.43 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: ooohhh |
| 02:34.51 | sladegen | dung no mdate in sid.... i feel cheated ;( |
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| 02:35.10 | micklweiss_lapto | <snip>i'm in the process of installing Debian on my 7600/132</snip> |
| 02:35.31 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: as a non-mac user 7600/132 meant nothing to me |
| 02:35.51 | micklweiss_lapto | maybe i should have added powerpc to that |
| 02:35.51 | flan__ | how do I tell where a nick is being used? |
| 02:35.51 | latency | s'good since a 7600 isn't much other than big ol' paperweight |
| 02:35.51 | pneuma | well, it meant 7600/132 to be precise |
| 02:35.56 | micklweiss_lapto | although that would have ment little to you to probably |
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| 02:36.46 | micklweiss_lapto | its a big old paperweight that is either going to be a server tonight - or its going out the window |
| 02:36.53 | micklweiss_lapto | it has 2 choices |
| 02:36.53 | pneuma | micklweiss_lapto: check linuxdoc.org they might have a howto for setting up on a mac |
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| 02:37.20 | micklweiss_lapto | i've setup debianppc before - just not on an old world mac |
| 02:37.30 | micklweiss_lapto | also, i actually *saw* the sc reen |
| 02:37.43 | robink | Does /dev/par0==/dev/parport0? |
| 02:37.49 | micklweiss_lapto | i dropped it before and now i see next to nothing |
| 02:38.15 | micklweiss_lapto | pneuma: i doubt that tldp has anything |
| 02:38.31 | micklweiss_lapto | besides most of that stuff in not up to date at all |
| 02:39.00 | micklweiss_lapto | a friend of mine just submitted a new kerl documentation to them |
| 02:39.09 | micklweiss_lapto | kernel |
| 02:39.32 | micklweiss_lapto | hope that it gets excepted, since those docs are waaaay too old |
| 02:39.38 | micklweiss_lapto | accepted* |
| 02:39.57 | micklweiss_lapto | damn i'm so stressed that i can hardly type |
| 02:40.31 | EspeonEefi | greycat: Got it! In the various files in /etc/pam.d/ (login, ssh, etc.), delete the noenv from the pam_mail.so line and add to the end of the line dir=~/Maildir. |
| 02:41.11 | latency | mickelweiss_lapto: crack open the new year's champagne a little early, share some with the laptop and then the two of you can discuss the merits of being a debian server vs. being out the window. |
| 02:42.16 | sladegen | but being without windows ~= debian server... doesnt it?-) |
| 02:42.30 | pneuma | btw, today is really GanZhi: Gui3-Wei4.Yi3-Chou3.Wu4-Yin2.Ren2-Zi3 |
| 02:42.34 | palandir | happy new year! |
| 02:42.37 | greycat | being without windows is like being without AIDS |
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| 02:43.38 | pneuma | quote of the night! |
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| 02:44.24 | sladegen | oh jeez there are still plenty other viral diseases like BSD, MacOS... Beos... etc... |
| 02:44.45 | simonrvn | greycat: can i quote you on that? |
| 02:44.47 | latency | Beos wasn't so bad...it just itched a lot. |
| 02:44.52 | greycat | simonrvn: yes |
| 02:44.56 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 02:45.06 | simonrvn | @QOTD is < *greycat> being without windows is like being without AIDS |
| 02:45.07 | ravenbird | ...but qotd is already something else... |
| 02:45.11 | simonrvn | @no QOTD is < *greycat> being without windows is like being without AIDS |
| 02:45.12 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 02:46.25 | xsdg | micklweiss_lapto: #debianppc |
| 02:46.42 | micklweiss_lapto | look what channels i'm in |
| 02:46.45 | micklweiss_lapto | :P |
| 02:46.48 | xsdg | :o) |
| 02:47.20 | mwilson | FINALLY the autobuilders finish. |
| 02:48.01 | pneuma | marvin! |
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| 02:48.59 | ecstatix | hi |
| 02:49.26 | sladegen | where is you owl? |
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| 02:49.57 | mwilson | dpkg -l | grep "4.2.1-14" | wc -l |
| 02:49.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
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| 02:50.08 | mwilson | grrrr |
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| 02:50.52 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:51.21 | ecstatix | anyone have a problem with the smbclient that came with the last update? |
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| 02:52.18 | ecstatix | my xffm, linneighborhood and komba, all dont work properly |
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| 02:52.30 | red_one | can you install debian from a usb memory key? |
| 02:52.34 | mwilson | Could you possibly be a little more vague? Otherwise someone might actually be able to figure out what you're talking about. |
| 02:52.37 | SuperPhly | what's the status of a 2.6 kernel .deb? |
| 02:52.47 | mwilson | SuperPhly: Who cares? |
| 02:53.03 | SuperPhly | I do. |
| 02:53.07 | greycat | SuperPhly: you don't compile your own kernels? |
| 02:53.18 | greycat | what's wrong with these people? |
| 02:53.45 | xsdg | Xu? |
| 02:53.52 | greycat | Herbert |
| 02:53.53 | oelewapperke | greycat : about that |
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| 02:54.02 | Aklis | red_one, you can run debian from a pen |
| 02:54.03 | xsdg | aah |
| 02:54.09 | oelewapperke | greycat : do the debian kernel packaging tools work for 2.6 |
| 02:54.13 | SuperPhly | well, do you know if the 2.6 lvm will work with 2.4s lvm? |
| 02:54.17 | SuperPhly | can i migrate easily? |
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| 02:54.27 | xsdg | latency: lol |
| 02:54.46 | oelewapperke | SuperPhly : IBM says yes, do you believe them ? |
| 02:54.59 | SuperPhly | sure. |
| 02:55.01 | SuperPhly | i do. |
| 02:55.05 | Phoboo_ | What is the propper place for Aterm's configuration file? I read the manual that say it's "/etc/X11/Xresources/aterm", but is wrong on this system. Any ideer ( I will write a bugreport else ). |
| 02:55.05 | ecstatix | ibm has the ability |
| 02:55.05 | SuperPhly | wholeheartedly... |
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| 02:55.27 | Phoboo_ | any body? |
| 02:55.27 | SuperPhly | aight, i'll use a 2.4kernel and migrate as soon as a good 2.6 comes out |
| 02:55.28 | pneuma | red_one: see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 02:55.30 | karsten2 | Anyone with irssi seeing "Cannot assign requested address" errors? |
| 02:55.34 | SuperPhly | 2.6.2-5? |
| 02:55.45 | mwilson | No, the manual says "usually". Amazing thing, actually bothering to READ them. |
| 02:56.11 | mwilson | What would it be that you'd report a bug on? That the man page was accurate? |
| 02:56.15 | xsdg | karsten2: is it talking about ip6? |
| 02:56.25 | Phoboo_ | mwilson: no |
| 02:56.29 | mwilson | You want it changed so that it's NOT accurate? |
| 02:56.30 | karsten2 | xsdg: Found the solution just now. |
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| 02:56.30 | karsten2 | This fixes it: /set -clear hostname |
| 02:56.58 | ecstatix | Phoboo_: you can stick a .xresources in your own home dir |
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| 02:57.09 | latency | mwilson: but that's specious logic: "if I document all my errors in a man page, I never have to fix the bugs." =) |
| 02:57.17 | latency | not that this is an instance of it. |
| 02:57.22 | SuperPhly | mwilson: you're an asshole. |
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| 02:57.29 | stonecolddsl | I am trying to get a debian package file (.deb) converted to a slackware tgz file and someone suggested a program called Alien but I cant seem to get it to work could anyone helpme |
| 02:57.40 | Phoboo_ | ecstatix: k.. but I tested that also ( don't work ) |
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| 02:58.15 | ecstatix | Phoboo_: well, then something's wrong with your setup. the config file from your home dir will be the one that will be read if it exists |
| 02:58.30 | mwilson | Phoboo_: The man page is entirely accurate. It says that aterm's app-defaults file is in XAPPLOADDIR/aterm, which it is, and it tells you that you can set resources in ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources, which you can. So what is the problem? |
| 02:59.07 | sladegen | stonecolddsl: give it up... compile it from source or visit www.linuxpackages.net |
| 02:59.09 | pneuma | stonecolddsl: you could apt-get source the package which will give you the source .tgz's |
| 02:59.25 | stonecolddsl | it is not somethng where the source is availble |
| 02:59.41 | Phoboo_ | mwilson: first of all, NON of them files exist. And when created two of the for testing, nothing happend... so its worng |
| 02:59.42 | pneuma | stonecolddsl: sometimes i do that just to see what compile options the debian packager used |
| 02:59.45 | ecstatix | then what is it? a .deb is available, but src is'nt? |
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| 02:59.55 | mwilson | Phoboo_: Except that they do, of course. |
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| 03:00.11 | Phoboo_ | mwilson: no |
| 03:00.14 | stonecolddsl | I had a stupid but nice sister buy me Xandros 2.0 delux instead of buying me crossoverX Office buy it self |
| 03:00.32 | jnagyjr | I don't think anything is sadder then spending NYE on irc. |
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| 03:00.42 | jnagyjr | That being said, lets party like it's 1989! |
| 03:00.43 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: what do you want, cross over office? |
| 03:00.45 | stonecolddsl | All I wanted was CrossoverX so I have the deb package files for it off the xandros cd rom |
| 03:00.46 | latency | jnagyjr: enjoying it. |
| 03:00.56 | thesaboteur | I just installed debian woody and I have installed vim, I want it so that when I do "man something" it displays the window similarly to vim, anyone know how to do that? |
| 03:01.08 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: crossover is a script. |
| 03:01.17 | sladegen | stonecolddsl: then perhaps just unpack the .deb in slack and then use makepkg |
| 03:01.35 | mwilson | Phoboo_: aterm doesn't ship an app-defaults file, which it's not required to, so all is good. Create one if you like, the documentation tells you where to put it. As for ~/.Xresources, since you didn't bother to spell it correctly, I'm quite sure it didn't work. |
| 03:01.37 | stonecolddsl | Crossover is a specailized version of wine |
| 03:01.49 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: bleh, i am using it. |
| 03:01.55 | pneuma | stonecolddsl: put the .deb's up on an ftp site so we can examine them ;) |
| 03:02.02 | ecstatix | pneuma: :) |
| 03:02.08 | jnagyjr | thesaboteur: vim is a text editor. Man pages are displayed via the pager, I believe (I think /usr/bin/less is the default). |
| 03:02.12 | RelDrgn | thesaboteur: how do you mean similarly to vim? |
| 03:02.14 | stonecolddsl | sladegen I can find any tools that would unpack deb files on slackware |
| 03:02.35 | jnagyjr | Gah. I'm sorry guys. I gotta go. Have fun! |
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| 03:02.37 | Phoboo_ | mwilson: ok.. thanx for the attantion. ( but i smell something bad ) |
| 03:02.41 | RelDrgn | thesaboteur: if you want manpages and other stuff to appear in vim, set your environment variable PAGER to be /usr/bin/vim |
| 03:02.41 | thesaboteur | RelDrgn:instead of moving around via the spacebar I can use vim commands to move around in it |
| 03:02.59 | thesaboteur | RelDrgn:yeah how I set that? |
| 03:03.03 | sladegen | stonecolddsl: then unpack it in debian... think think think man.... |
| 03:03.08 | RelDrgn | thesaboteur: oh, for that make sure you have less installed and that its set as your pager |
| 03:03.11 | mwilson | Clueless people. Somehow it's the world's fault that they're clueless. |
| 03:03.26 | RelDrgn | thesaboteur: see also debian's "sensible-pager" symlink |
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| 03:03.44 | mwilson | I didn't think Snacky was THAT screwed up. |
| 03:03.54 | ecstatix | what's snacky? |
| 03:03.58 | thesaboteur | thanks im installing less now |
| 03:03.59 | pneuma | stonecolddsl: .deb's are just archives made with standard archiving/compression utilities |
| 03:04.17 | xel | Happy new year to all. |
| 03:04.20 | stonecolddsl | wait I am about to install debian package tools for slackware |
| 03:04.21 | thesaboteur | kool ty |
| 03:04.37 | RelDrgn | not to mention that "alien" does all this too |
| 03:04.51 | RelDrgn | (package conversion for various distributions) |
| 03:04.54 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: what's wrong with xandros btw? i've read good things for it |
| 03:05.02 | stonecolddsl | I hate it |
| 03:05.04 | ecstatix | RelDrgn: he came in asking for help on alien :) |
| 03:05.15 | stonecolddsl | KDE only.... |
| 03:05.20 | sladegen | RelDrgn: he started off by saying he cant manage it with alien.... |
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| 03:05.22 | stonecolddsl | lacking alot of things |
| 03:05.24 | RelDrgn | how can you not know how to use alien |
| 03:05.33 | lazarus | man alien, duh |
| 03:05.40 | Covener | RelDrgn: it's not exactly the most crucial piece of software |
| 03:05.44 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: cant you move to pure debian from xandros? by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:05.46 | RelDrgn | i mean, I type alien foo.rpm and because im on debian, alien knows to convert it to a .deb :P |
| 03:05.58 | pneuma | stonecolddsl: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199907/msg01244.html |
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| 03:06.23 | stonecolddsl | I rather just stick with slackware thank you very much |
| 03:06.31 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: ok |
| 03:06.34 | stonecolddsl | I been using it since version 3 and dont want to change |
| 03:06.37 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: this is #debian |
| 03:06.42 | mwilson | Yes, the stupids usually want to stay on Snacky. |
| 03:06.44 | stonecolddsl | I know |
| 03:06.58 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: too bad your sister does'nt know what to buy :) |
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| 03:07.16 | mwilson | Hm, do I really want to let this pam update go in... |
| 03:07.19 | stonecolddsl | and if debian use standard tarball like slack i would not be in this postion |
| 03:07.27 | RelDrgn | of course you could just go with debian, choose your own window manager, and be able to use the .deb off the cd.. amazing :P |
| 03:07.53 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: stop bitching about debian's package mangement system, that IS what makes debian debian. bye |
| 03:07.54 | stonecolddsl | ecstatix. I dont know how I made up a list and sent here the url to codeweavers |
| 03:07.57 | RelDrgn | if debian used standard tarballs like slak, it would be the steaming pile of dllhell slakware is. |
| 03:08.06 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: dude, debian uses standard tarballs as src packages. its xandros that does'nt. and you want to use a non free app, so stop trashing debian |
| 03:08.21 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: so why are you here, to bitch about debian? |
| 03:08.27 | mwilson | stonecolddsl: What position would that be? The position of not having a brain? A deb is a standard ar-format archive. You honestly expect anyone to believe that Snacky doesn't ship 'ar'? |
| 03:08.40 | stonecolddsl | ok then I have a question then |
| 03:08.54 | RelDrgn | slackware has to have ar. without ar you can't compile a library |
| 03:08.56 | ecstatix | stonecolddsl: you could open up the .deb in say midnight commander, look at it, and extract what you want |
| 03:09.06 | greycat | RelDrgn: you can build shared libs :) |
| 03:09.21 | ecstatix | RelDrgn: of course slackware has ar |
| 03:09.30 | Covener | I think we should all switch from .deb to .tgz, that way stonecoldds1 won't have to do 90 seconds of reading |
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| 03:09.46 | xel | Good evening greycat. |
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| 03:10.01 | RelDrgn | Covener: or 5 seconds of just using ar like he's been told to repeatedly by mwilson |
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| 03:10.20 | stonecolddsl | ok so I open up the archiver program go to select the debian file and it says unrecongiable file format |
| 03:10.22 | Covener | RelDrgn: 5 seconds is a little short for a command you don't know |
| 03:10.33 | mars | mmmm |
| 03:10.33 | mwilson | Ok, whyinhell is prelink suddenly dependent on a SE linux package? |
| 03:10.39 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: "the" archiver program? |
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| 03:10.45 | RelDrgn | Covener: thats what tab completion is for |
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| 03:11.02 | lazarus | RelDrgn: yeah really |
| 03:11.05 | ecstatix | its a nice little gui |
| 03:11.08 | mwilson | RelDrgn: Only 'suspect'? :) |
| 03:11.11 | ecstatix | that has a select |
| 03:11.18 | latency | RelDrgn: tab completion is for when you don't know what the hell you're doing? :) |
| 03:11.18 | stonecolddsl | Lazarus: Sorry I should of said File Roller |
| 03:11.27 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: wtf is that? |
| 03:11.27 | greycat | everyone knows that THE archiving program is cat(1) |
| 03:11.37 | mwilson | Since when is File Runner an archiver? |
| 03:11.50 | RelDrgn | greycat: you forgot the high speed extension, > /dev/null ;) |
| 03:11.50 | stonecolddsl | File Roller is the defualt extraction tool of Gnome |
| 03:11.54 | lazarus | mwilson: s/unner/oller/ |
| 03:12.12 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: wtf does gnome have to do with anything? |
| 03:12.15 | sladegen | mwilson: stoping showing off your own biases.... and read carefully tooo damn it |
| 03:12.18 | mwilson | stonecolddsl: Good for it. What, other than nothing, does it have to do with ar-format archives? |
| 03:12.32 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: ar in no way requires some lame gui |
| 03:12.41 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: man ar |
| 03:12.43 | RelDrgn | yeah, well, .deb isn't .tar, .zip, .whateverthatthingopens. If anything its a .a file with a specific format renamed to .deb |
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| 03:13.12 | stonecolddsl | going to try alien again see if the debian tools make a difference |
| 03:13.12 | Covener | RelDrgn: way to commit, career in politics in your future? |
| 03:13.23 | sladegen | dont sit on someone for not knowing what exactly format deb is... if even file says only: |
| 03:13.36 | mwilson | Oh, great... *gcc* had an NMU? |
| 03:13.36 | sladegen | aalib1_1.4p5-19_i386.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression |
| 03:13.46 | mwilson | And the universe trembled. |
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| 03:14.20 | wuhuu | hello |
| 03:14.27 | greycat | sladegen: I wasn't paying attention. Did someone tell him it's an ar(1) archive? Did he ignore that? |
| 03:14.36 | wuhuu | Gotta a problem with Alsa |
| 03:14.40 | mwilson | greycat: I did. At least twice. |
| 03:14.53 | ecstatix | why does it say mailbox has improper protection when i fire up pine? |
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| 03:15.04 | mwilson | ecstatix: Probably because it does. |
| 03:15.33 | sladegen | greycat: some ppl dont compile things... dont pay too much attention to two letter words all that much... irc being how it is... multiple voices etc |
| 03:15.34 | ecstatix | mwilson: hmm, no other app says anything. not even mutt |
| 03:15.37 | lazarus | greycat: multiple people told him it was ar, yes, he doens't seem to comprehend direct information, by choice perhaps, sincee he seems to just want to denigrate debian |
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| 03:15.58 | mwilson | ecstatix: Why would any other app say anything? |
| 03:15.59 | RelDrgn | ecstatix: pine has a specific mode it wants the mailbox and directory to be |
| 03:16.14 | ecstatix | RelDrgn: oh. maybe i should just stick to mutt |
| 03:16.16 | greycat | mutt >> pine |
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| 03:16.35 | stonecolddsl | I have debian package tools installed what would be an easy way to extract the files from the .DEB file I do have the Debian package tools |
| 03:16.39 | Aquarina | hi, I get this error with cups: client-error-not-possible |
| 03:16.43 | ricII | is there a exploit in telnetd-ssl ?? |
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| 03:17.01 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: one last time, damn it: man ar !!!!! |
| 03:17.16 | sladegen | stonecolddsl: for you.... mc but i have little hope |
| 03:17.17 | stonecolddsl | that does jack shit |
| 03:17.23 | stonecolddsl | mc i do have |
| 03:17.27 | Justin_ | stonecolddsl: man ar |
| 03:17.31 | wuhuu | I have a nForce2 Onboard Soundsystem i made the installation how described on the Alsa-Project page but when i run the final modprobe snd-intel8x0 it hangs |
| 03:17.40 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: if you can't rtfm, you don't belong on linux. bye |
| 03:17.42 | mwilson | Ok, I would REALLY like to see samba dload-ing libcupsys2 if/when it wants it so that I don't have to have the bloody thing installed and never use it. |
| 03:17.55 | Covener | wuhuu: is that the right driver for nforce motherboard? Doesn't sound right |
| 03:18.01 | stonecolddsl | lazarus, it says man entry not found |
| 03:18.09 | Recoil` | can anyone help me? i cant find a linux driver for my video card |
| 03:18.11 | RelDrgn | wuhuu: it hangs as in crashes the computer? |
| 03:18.21 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: blame your lame distro then, not us |
| 03:18.28 | Justin_ | "man entry not found" thats a new one |
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| 03:18.32 | wuhuu | Covener: alsa page says its the right |
| 03:18.39 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: yes use the "my" driver for all My Brand video cards. Have a nice day |
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| 03:18.43 | ricII | what does telnetd[somepid]: child process otherpid exited: !=0 mean? |
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| 03:18.58 | wuhuu | RelDrgn: no the console i ran the modprobe hangs |
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| 03:19.05 | Recoil` | reldrgn: ok how about radeon 32mb ddr instead |
| 03:19.05 | RelDrgn | wuhuu: hm interesting |
| 03:19.05 | lazarus | Justin_: yeah really. $ man sdvosuagvs |
| 03:19.05 | lazarus | No manual entry for sdvosuagvs |
| 03:19.31 | Aquarina | is someone using cups succeffully?! |
| 03:19.35 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: pretty sure X has a radeon driver built in |
| 03:19.43 | wuhuu | even ctrl-c doesn't work anymore |
| 03:19.45 | Recoil` | reldrgn: its kind of an old card, i would have thought xf86 had it |
| 03:19.54 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: you're using X 4.x? |
| 03:20.24 | Recoil` | reldrgn: i dont realy know |
| 03:20.32 | ecstatix | Aquarina: yes. i followed the howto on a mandrake site. it works fine |
| 03:20.44 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: try "XFree86 -configure" and see if it finds your card (theoretically it will autodetect everything and create a file and tell you what it couldn't detect so you can fix the file, then follow theinstructions to test the file |
| 03:20.54 | ricII | got a uptodate hacked debian box here..(or what is left of it) |
| 03:21.03 | Aquarina | ecstatix: do you have the url? |
| 03:21.11 | ecstatix | Aquarina: hold on a second |
| 03:21.22 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: hm, ask your package manager? see if xfree86-common is installed and what version it is |
| 03:21.27 | wuhuu | when i run an insmod -p intel8x0 it returns "unresolved symbol gameport_register_port" and some other "unresolved symbol"s |
| 03:21.33 | Aquarina | ecstatix: ever had the error: client-error-not-possible |
| 03:21.35 | Aquarina | ? |
| 03:21.36 | lazarus | mwilson: you keep makeing refernce to packages that i haven't seen changed in sid here? ?? |
| 03:21.44 | Recoil` | reldrgn: i do know that when it tries to startx it seems to go through a list of video cards and then ends up saying no monitor found |
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| 03:21.55 | OwO | Happy New Year ! |
| 03:22.07 | RelDrgn | OwO: in your timezone perhaps |
| 03:22.16 | mwilson | lazarus: Find a better mirror, then. |
| 03:22.17 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: no monitor found? are you sure its those words exactly? |
| 03:22.17 | lazarus | RelDrgn: this is the internet, the internet is utc |
| 03:22.21 | latency | yep, happy new year OwO! |
| 03:22.22 | lazarus | Thu Jan 1 03:22:22 UTC 2004 |
| 03:22.25 | Recoil` | reldrgn: ye, im pretty sure |
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| 03:22.49 | ecstatix | Aquarina: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hcups0.html |
| 03:22.52 | Croepha | how can i have my computer automatically get the timefrom the net?? |
| 03:23.02 | ecstatix | Croepha: man ntp |
| 03:23.03 | Aquarina | ecstatix: ever had the error: client-error-not-possible |
| 03:23.05 | OwO | apt-get install openssh returns a could not find. Openssh is used by several programs. |
| 03:23.06 | lazarus | mwilson: http.us.debian.org isn't good enough? |
| 03:23.07 | ecstatix | Aquarina: no |
| 03:23.10 | wuhuu | anybody an idea what this funny failure is about or what to do to get it running ?? |
| 03:23.13 | Aquarina | ecstatix: thak you |
| 03:23.17 | lazarus | OwO: "ssh" |
| 03:23.22 | mwilson | I wonder if it'd actually be worthwhile filling a wishlist bug against lilo asking the maintainer to make a bloody CHOICE and stick to it... |
| 03:23.24 | OwO | How does one install openssh other than ownloading the tar ball ? |
| 03:23.28 | ecstatix | Aquarina: i just followed the article there, worked without a hitch |
| 03:23.28 | RelDrgn | Recoil`: hm. Thats odd. No Screens Found means that the resolutions you configured won't work with your monitor (or the refresh rates you configured for your monitor.. check these ;) |
| 03:23.32 | lazarus | OwO: apt-get install ssh |
| 03:23.34 | greycat | OwO: it's called ssh |
| 03:23.40 | OwO | yikes |
| 03:23.44 | Recoil` | reldrgn: ok thx |
| 03:23.44 | lazarus | OwO: apt-cache show ssh |
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| 03:24.06 | sladegen | no read depends lines closer.... |
| 03:24.59 | OwO | Also zlib ? I am asking because the version of links browser can be compile to hallow a -g option. |
| 03:25.44 | RelDrgn | i think its zlib1g? (g was left over from the change from libc to glibc) |
| 03:25.47 | lazarus | OwO: apt-get install zlib1g zlib-bin |
| 03:25.55 | greycat | zlib1g-dev |
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| 03:26.06 | RelDrgn | OwO: while we're telling you stuff, try "apt-cache search foo" ;) |
| 03:26.08 | latency | OwO: take advantage of apt-cache search |
| 03:26.24 | lazarus | OwO: yeah, you always want -dev alsso, if you're compiling against it |
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| 03:26.49 | RelDrgn | mwahahah! |
| 03:27.09 | OwO | lazarus - is there a place I can look up these things myself to read instead of coming here and bugging the nice people here with my inane questions ? |
| 03:27.16 | OwO | innane |
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| 03:27.24 | sladegen | www.debian.org |
| 03:27.25 | ecstatix | the first spelling was alright |
| 03:27.35 | mars_ | happy new year!! |
| 03:27.39 | mars_ | :D |
| 03:27.42 | ricII | I tried greping the src for child process but no luck.. |
| 03:27.49 | ecstatix | mars_: can i eat you? |
| 03:27.51 | sladegen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.11 | lazarus | OwO: apt-cache search (some word here) |
| 03:28.24 | mars_ | ecstatix, make sure u suck all my juices ;P |
| 03:28.35 | ecstatix | mars_: yeah |
| 03:28.35 | mars_ | ecstatix, i like 69 XD |
| 03:28.37 | RelDrgn | ricII: it means the childprocess returned with a nonzero exit code. Could mean it crashed, could mean it failed to start the child, could mean that the child exits with a nonzero exit code normally for things like failed login attmepts ;P |
| 03:28.45 | lazarus | OwO: apt-cache show (package name here) if you want specifics on one of the ones you see in that search output |
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| 03:29.06 | mars_ | happy new year!!! |
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| 03:29.33 | sladegen | OwO: you can try apt-cache -n search "-doc" while you are at it ;() |
| 03:29.33 | ricII | RelDrgn: well after a 127 al kinds of nasty things happend (like SuckIt) |
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| 03:30.46 | RelDrgn | ricII: interesting. Were you using an old openssl with known exploits? |
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| 03:31.06 | OwO | You people are generally very kind and I appreciate your help. Thank you. |
| 03:31.09 | RelDrgn | ricII: it may mean that there is an exploit in telnetd-ssl or in your current openssl (i hope not :/) |
| 03:31.11 | ricII | no uptodate except the kernel (but lkm disabled) |
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| 03:32.16 | OwO | Linux has come a long way since the days of SLS |
| 03:32.20 | lazarus | is there somethihng flaky with the postinst for linux-kernel-headers? 9256 17.5 22516 464 21m 112 21m 524 174 5382 /usr/bin/dpkg --configure linux S 9 0 0.0 |
| 03:32.28 | lazarus | it seems to be taking over the box |
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| 03:32.55 | lazarus | OwO: lol, indeed |
| 03:33.07 | OwO | hehehe |
| 03:33.10 | mx | is aloith currently down? |
| 03:33.31 | RelDrgn | ricII: what is that system doing right this instant? |
| 03:33.41 | Recoil` | RelDrgn: i checked my config i am using xf86 4.x, and it said "no screen found", i tried turning down the resolution and refreshrate, but still nothing |
| 03:34.03 | ricII | in forensic mode.. |
| 03:34.09 | RelDrgn | ricII: it might be educational to look online for docs on how to do a postmortem and see how they got in... maybe the telnetd crash was a side effect of something someone who was already in your system did |
| 03:34.17 | OwO | lazarus - Of course when MLM gave way to RFM and 0.95g was released to boot things... the environment was a tad more spartan then. :) |
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| 03:34.37 | OwO | wrerr MLM ? hhrmmm that don' |
| 03:34.40 | OwO | t look right |
| 03:34.42 | ricII | taken down ~6h after entry |
| 03:34.46 | greycat | MFM? |
| 03:34.53 | OwO | MFM |
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| 03:35.15 | RelDrgn | ricII: hunt for core dumps, check binaries' atimes, ctimes, and mtimes (mount/remount with atime disabled! -o noatime) |
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| 03:35.16 | def | quick simple question: how do i extract .bz archives? thx ahead of time |
| 03:35.18 | OwO | RLM |
| 03:35.22 | def | in console, btw |
| 03:35.26 | greycat | def: man bzip2 |
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| 03:35.36 | lazarus | somehow o got thinking of those old drives, can't recall the name though, pre-ide ... rll? mfm? hmm |
| 03:35.36 | def | i'm dyslexic |
| 03:35.49 | lazarus | def: man bzip2 |
| 03:35.50 | OwO | yes... pre ide. |
| 03:35.50 | sladegen | tar -xvyf <file> |
| 03:35.55 | ecstatix | def: fine, but you have eyes, right? |
| 03:36.11 | ecstatix | sladegen: how would a x option help unpack a bz2? |
| 03:36.21 | OwO | If you stood on your left foot, and hooked yer arm just right, it'd boot ! |
| 03:36.24 | ricII | RelDrgn: wel suckit changes a lot of files (init, lots in /bin etc) logs a only partial |
| 03:36.41 | sladegen | i dont know im streaming my subconscience ;) |
| 03:36.45 | def | its not working |
| 03:36.50 | jetscreamer | yes rll and mfm |
| 03:36.50 | def | the -xvyf |
| 03:36.51 | def | :\ |
| 03:37.08 | RelDrgn | ricII: yeah. but if you can see the mtime of suckit, see if you can find executables and other files with an mtime of just before suckit. the find program works wonders for this |
| 03:37.08 | mx | def: try -xvjf |
| 03:37.26 | def | i tried that as well |
| 03:37.28 | def | its a .bz file btw |
| 03:37.30 | def | not .bz2 |
| 03:37.33 | RelDrgn | ricII: who knows though. As much as I don't want to admit it, it could be an openssl exploit, or it could be an telnetd-ssl exploit |
| 03:37.34 | lazarus | def: man bzip |
| 03:37.44 | RelDrgn | def: is it .tar.bz? |
| 03:37.47 | PhyreXian | When I try to start X I get this error message "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found". Any Ideas? |
| 03:37.54 | def | there is no man entry for bzip |
| 03:37.55 | OwO | I am not working on this although I am interested in the potential and that is a bootable USB drive. That sounds fantastic. |
| 03:37.56 | def | when i man bzip |
| 03:37.57 | lazarus | def: very rare to find a bzip(1) file these days |
| 03:37.59 | def | yes it is |
| 03:38.08 | def | hmm well the linux 2.6.0 kernel is a .bz |
| 03:38.13 | lazarus | def: apt-get install bzip |
| 03:38.15 | def | when i downloaded it from kernel.org |
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| 03:38.19 | RelDrgn | because bzip2 can deal with .bz files too, which you'd see right at the top of the manpage if you would just man bzip2 like everyone told you |
| 03:38.24 | lazarus | def: no, that is a bz2 TWO |
| 03:38.32 | def | filename says .bz |
| 03:38.32 | def | :\ |
| 03:38.35 | ecstatix | def: well, man bunzip2, and read the kernel howto |
| 03:38.42 | RelDrgn | theres no way the kernel would be .bz. maybe your downloading program truncated |
| 03:38.43 | lazarus | def: run file(1) on it |
| 03:38.47 | ecstatix | it does tell you howto unpack the archive |
| 03:39.06 | sladegen | tar -xvjf <file> should work.... what does file say? |
| 03:39.09 | SJr | You know in my 2 weeks of linuxdom I have never ONCE needed to use a man page and it strikes me as an all around stupid idea |
| 03:39.18 | def | i cant apt-get install bzip |
| 03:39.21 | def | i need a debian source |
| 03:39.23 | def | can someone please tell me one |
| 03:39.25 | def | from the net |
| 03:39.27 | def | north america |
| 03:39.28 | lazarus | SJr: stupid that you don't read man pages? agreed |
| 03:39.29 | OwO | tar zvxf filename.tar.gz or filename.tgz or tar jvfx ffilename.tar.bz2 |
| 03:39.41 | SJr | :P im just messin with you lazarus |
| 03:39.42 | SJr | geez |
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| 03:39.56 | ecstatix | def: apt-setup |
| 03:39.59 | SJr | talk about the grinch who stole linux. |
| 03:40.17 | nt0x | hahaha |
| 03:40.30 | lazarus | SJr: if you'd see the volume who come here that don't rtfm, you'd understand |
| 03:40.37 | def | thx for apt-setup |
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| 03:40.39 | def | working now... |
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| 03:41.03 | nt0x | are there man pages on man ? |
| 03:41.04 | mdo_ | happy new year and stuff :) |
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| 03:41.21 | ecstatix | nt0x: guess so |
| 03:41.22 | latency | nt0x:yes |
| 03:41.27 | nt0x | hahaha |
| 03:41.37 | OwO | So essentially apt-cache is a super grep utility for the entire debian database ? |
| 03:41.50 | Recoil` | anyone know if xf86 has drivers for radeon 32mb ddr? i couldnt find them on the list |
| 03:41.58 | sladegen | no there are man pages on girls... they wear them too feel nerdier ;) |
| 03:41.59 | latency | OwO: and it can rescue cats from trees as well. |
| 03:42.01 | lazarus | nt0x: of course |
| 03:42.06 | OwO | hahaha |
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| 03:42.20 | lazarus | woman (6fun) - No manpage for this program, utility or function. |
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| 03:42.33 | def | oh and how do i see my linux version? |
| 03:42.34 | nt0x | lmao |
| 03:42.37 | def | it was cat somefile |
| 03:42.39 | def | i can't remember |
| 03:42.40 | lazarus | def: uname -r |
| 03:42.53 | greycat | def: uname -a for the kernel, cat /etc/debian_version for the debian version |
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| 03:42.57 | lazarus | nt0x: apt-get install funny-manpages |
| 03:43.06 | Aquarina | :-( still I can't print! |
| 03:43.15 | def | thx |
| 03:43.30 | OwO | def - uname -r |
| 03:43.40 | Aklis | nt0x, apt-get install asr-manpages |
| 03:43.50 | nt0x | this is day three me fighting with this nic card |
| 03:43.51 | ecstatix | asr? |
| 03:43.58 | nt0x | im going for a new install |
| 03:44.03 | sladegen | paint then.... Aquamarina ;?) |
| 03:44.04 | greycat | ecstatix: alt.sysadmin.recovery |
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| 03:44.06 | nt0x | then Ill compile my own kernel |
| 03:44.11 | ecstatix | greycat: oh |
| 03:44.39 | ecstatix | are there some nice quotes to add to fortune? |
| 03:44.39 | Aquarina | does someone ever had the "client-error-not-possible" error on cups? |
| 03:44.43 | lazarus | nt0x: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:44.55 | PhyreXian | When I try to start X I get this error message "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found". Any Ideas? |
| 03:45.11 | Aquarina | ecstatix: I had done what they said in the howto you gave me! |
| 03:45.22 | RelDrgn | PhyreXian: take the speedo stuff out of your XF86Config file |
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| 03:45.30 | OwO | hrmm looks like a font conversion error for X |
| 03:45.32 | lazarus | ecstatix: apt-cache search fortune |
| 03:45.49 | sladegen | apt-cache search fame |
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| 03:45.59 | nt0x | whats build-essential? |
| 03:46.22 | mclito | Hello -happy new year- Little question is there any way to tell vncserver to "grab" the current X session ":0" and not to create a :1 ??? |
| 03:46.27 | RelDrgn | nt0x: sounds like a metapackage which depends on things that are essential for compiling? |
| 03:46.34 | RelDrgn | mclito: no. |
| 03:46.40 | PhyreXian | RelDrgn: that's it? Guess I should've thought of that, thank you. |
| 03:46.41 | sladegen | meta-package that depends on essential things to build kernel & stuff |
| 03:46.52 | nt0x | ahhh |
| 03:47.05 | def | how do i extract .bz2 files? :) |
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| 03:47.19 | Justin_ | def: unp file.bz2 |
| 03:47.23 | OwO | def bunzip2 filename.bz2 |
| 03:47.23 | RelDrgn | mclito: at least not for the VNC server I use anyway. (tightVNC)... for one to "take over" a display either it would have to be running first and everything runs in it and it runs in X :1, or it would have to be built into X itself |
| 03:47.27 | mwilson | mclito: Believe it or not, the documentation is actually NOT lying to you when it says you can't do that. |
| 03:47.41 | def | i dont have bunzip |
| 03:47.45 | def | and apt-get install bunzip doesnt work either |
| 03:48.00 | RelDrgn | def: 2! 2! 2! 2! |
| 03:48.00 | ulitz | def: its bunzip2 |
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| 03:48.02 | lazarus | def: /usr/bin/bunzip2 |
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| 03:48.13 | def | i dont' have it |
| 03:48.15 | def | i just checked |
| 03:48.16 | DMJC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.19 | latency | get it |
| 03:48.20 | RelDrgn | def: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 03:48.23 | Justin_ | def: unp |
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| 03:48.25 | lazarus | c |
| 03:48.29 | def | thx |
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| 03:48.54 | kidrockers71 | hey can u guys tell me what this channel is exactly for and happy new year |
| 03:49.17 | ulitz | does anyone know of an app that converts wma to ogg or mp3... doesn't matter |
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| 03:49.23 | mclito | mwilson, oh well, weird |
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| 03:49.31 | Covener | ulitz: look at mplayer/mencoder |
| 03:49.31 | mwilson | Oh, now the idiot comes over HERE. |
| 03:49.37 | latency | kidrockers71: bitching at people who ask questions..occasionally offering solutions. |
| 03:49.39 | mwilson | What, you didn't get an answer you liked in #linux? |
| 03:49.52 | mwilson | mclito: It's weird that it works as documented? |
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| 03:50.27 | OwO | kidrockers - Well, I don't know about the others but I use this channel to keep me occupied while I deepfry baby Spotted owl chicks in baby Harp Seal fat and turn this baby Black rhino on an open spit. |
| 03:50.38 | Orhad2 | how can i ssh to my debian machine ? |
| 03:50.41 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to replace a certain character position (ie: byte column) in each line of a text file with a certain value? |
| 03:50.53 | def | next question: how do i extract .tar files :) |
| 03:50.58 | Justin_ | def: unp |
| 03:51.02 | def | i dont have unp |
| 03:51.04 | Orhad2 | apt-get install ssh2 ? |
| 03:51.09 | Justin_ | def: so install it you twit |
| 03:51.10 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: use sed or perl. |
| 03:51.11 | def | i have sshd running |
| 03:51.11 | Orhad2 | or apt-get install ssh ? |
| 03:51.13 | mclito | mwilson, weird that vnc can't do that, oh well, i'll restart the processes on :1 |
| 03:51.14 | def | whats the package name? |
| 03:51.23 | Orhad2 | that's what i'm wondering |
| 03:51.31 | latency | Orhad2: apt-cache search ssh |
| 03:51.32 | OwO | def tar zvxf filename.tar.gz or tar zvxf filename.tgz or tar jvxf filename.tar.bz2 |
| 03:51.35 | RelDrgn | mclito: weird in what way? |
| 03:51.36 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Can you suggest specific sed syntax? |
| 03:51.47 | ulitz | Covener: i thought mencoder only worked with video |
| 03:51.57 | def | im not looking for .tar.gz just .tar |
| 03:52.00 | mclito | RelDrgn, just for me, i always thought it could do that. |
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| 03:52.06 | Justin_ | def: stop being stupid |
| 03:52.07 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: perldoc perlre. Read about anchors, substitute, and placeholders. |
| 03:52.08 | Covener | ulitz: It works with audio as well, most video files contain audio. |
| 03:52.19 | RelDrgn | mclito: you are aware that locally running applications communicate and display directly on X through shared memory and overlays and Xv acceleration these days, right? how do you expect a vnc to hijack that? |
| 03:52.21 | OwO | def - thak out the "z" or the "j" from my answer above |
| 03:52.22 | def | i got it now |
| 03:52.24 | def | it was tar xvf |
| 03:52.29 | Acid`X | happy new yearrrr <:o) |
| 03:52.30 | Justin_ | ulitz: yeah, those silent movies are popular these days |
| 03:52.33 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: then contemplate /^(.{6,6})./$1b/ |
| 03:52.43 | RelDrgn | like i said, it could be done if the vnc server was part of X, say a plugin or something |
| 03:52.50 | Justin_ | RelDrgn: bzzzzt |
| 03:52.57 | mwilson | Justin_: You didn't expect him to switch his brain on or anything, did you? |
| 03:53.12 | Justin_ | using the X module is a bit overkil |
| 03:53.14 | mclito | RelDrgn, ha no idea, |
| 03:53.16 | ulitz | Justin_ i enjoy those kind... |
| 03:53.31 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: I wish I was more fluent in perl. I use sed. |
| 03:53.37 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: what? oh lookie! there's this neat bit o' flesh between my ears... |
| 03:53.38 | mwilson | ulitz: What was wrong with the answer you got in #linux? Other than that you didn't like it, of course. |
| 03:53.51 | ulitz | what? |
| 03:53.51 | sladegen | switching brain requires having 1. brain 2. some kind of switch... |
| 03:53.59 | ulitz | i didn't ask it in #linux |
| 03:54.04 | RelDrgn | mclito: or you could run X on :1, (startx -- :1) and inside X, run nothing but a vncclient to :0 where you've run all your x apps |
| 03:54.10 | mwilson | Of course you did. |
| 03:54.11 | latency | dondelelcaro: that's used for processing pr0n |
| 03:54.15 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: perldoc perlre is just a better introduction to regex than sed. |
| 03:54.36 | ulitz | mwilson: i asked a few times here.. but never actually been to the #linux channel |
| 03:54.44 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: plus, you'll quickly find yourself reaching for perl -pe 's///' when sed just doesn't quite cut it... |
| 03:55.44 | Recoil` | i couldnt find linux drivers for my radeon 32mb ddr on ati.com, and i couldnt find it on the xf86 list during installation, do i have to use generic drivers now? |
| 03:56.06 | return0 | ATi has poor support for Linux |
| 03:56.15 | Recoil` | i noticed |
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| 03:56.26 | Recoil` | nobody seems to have alternative drivers for ati cards |
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| 03:56.35 | Justin_ | Recoil`: there is no such video card as a "radeon 32m ddr" |
| 03:56.50 | Justin_ | which might be why you cant find "drivers" for it |
| 03:56.55 | Covener | Recoil`: I use drivers from xfree86 on my radeon mobility... dri and everything. You using an old version of Xfree86? |
| 03:56.57 | return0 | Just about to ask, you need to be more specific: is it a "7000"? |
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| 03:57.06 | mwilson | Justin_: But it's mor entertaining to invent names at random then whine about how there's no support for them. |
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| 03:57.22 | Recoil` | either 7000 or 7500 |
| 03:57.33 | Justin_ | Recoil`: either? you don't know which one you have? |
| 03:57.46 | RelDrgn | mclito: btw, heres that X module ;) (i wonder if this is the one Justin_ thinks is overkill) its designed for 4.3.0 but looks like it will run on earlier 4.x with flags : http://xf4vnc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:57.52 | sladegen | but there are radeon 32mb ddr cards.... its just sooo logical. |
| 03:57.53 | return0 | Restart the computer, first boot screen should tell you the specifics |
| 03:57.54 | Recoil` | should be the 7000 |
| 03:57.54 | ricII | RelDrgn: except for obvious files (log & suckit playing around in /bin /sbin) there isn't much changed, got a litle bash_history some /dev/hdx[12] most of his actions where in /tmp & deleted |
| 03:58.06 | Justin_ | !tell Recoil` about set up x |
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| 03:58.39 | RelDrgn | ricII: dunno what to tell you. reformat, reinstall, and use ssh instead ;) |
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| 03:59.03 | return0 | Recoil`, bad news: There are no drivers for the 7000 for Linux: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1053 |
| 03:59.10 | return0 | Well official ones anyway |
| 03:59.12 | RelDrgn | ricII: contact the telnetd-ssl author/packager and tell them whatever you can about what happened |
| 03:59.42 | Tchiak | can anyone recommend a good site for me to get my windows machine to communicate with my debian machine and let me see the drives |
| 03:59.47 | ricII | RelDrgn: telnet-ssl was only there for those w2k lusers.. |
| 03:59.50 | Justin_ | return0: what the hell are you talking about |
| 03:59.53 | Tchiak | or should i say a good tutorial of samba |
| 04:00.12 | mwilson | Tchiak: What did you find lacking about the documentation? |
| 04:00.15 | return0 | Justin_, I just did a quick search on Radeon 7000 drivers, and came up with this: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1053 |
| 04:00.19 | RelDrgn | ricII: tell them www.google.com/search?q=putty |
| 04:00.22 | latency | Tchiak: set up shares using samba. us PuTTy to ssh in |
| 04:00.36 | Justin_ | return0: try actually reading thate page |
| 04:00.52 | return0 | I have |
| 04:00.58 | return0 | unless I missed something |
| 04:01.04 | Justin_ | its obvious that you haven't |
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| 04:01.14 | Covener | It's a pretty horrid source of info either way |
| 04:01.19 | Justin_ | otherwise you wouldn't be claiming that a perfectly working card has no drivers |
| 04:01.31 | ricII | RelDrgn: well it was also a old relic laying arond i belive it had orignaly ham.. |
| 04:01.57 | return0 | Justin_: I said "official". |
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| 04:02.20 | return0 | There are always drivers... but whether they're official or hacked together by someone is a different thing |
| 04:02.31 | Justin_ | oh just shut up |
| 04:02.47 | Justin_ | 99.9999% of linux drivers aren't "official" |
| 04:03.13 | sladegen | return0: considering that sometimes "official" are worse or just hacked-up made "official".... |
| 04:03.15 | return0 | I seee :) |
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| 04:03.35 | return0 | s/seee/see |
| 04:03.44 | Recoil` | justin_: im looking at the ati page right now, and they do have a card named exactly radeon 32mb ddr, but no card named radeon 7000 series |
| 04:03.59 | beta3 | Justin_: this might be the next feature you will see in locate |
| 04:04.02 | Tchiak | so for samba to work i need to have netbios installed on my windows xp machine right? |
| 04:04.12 | RelDrgn | what does the card identify itself as in lspci? |
| 04:04.16 | beta3 | Justin_: it lets you find all the symlinks linked against an object |
| 04:04.23 | Justin_ | Recoil`: who gives a shit what ati says? |
| 04:04.29 | Covener | Tchiak: no, it's netbios over tcpip |
| 04:04.34 | return0 | Recoil`, you will not find drivers on the ATi website, because there is no official drivers (ATi created) for pre-8000 |
| 04:04.41 | Covener | Tchiak: default enabled afaik in the tcpip settings on windows |
| 04:04.45 | Recoil` | pre-8500 |
| 04:04.49 | Tchiak | i read the manpage but still an't figure out how to get these to communicate |
| 04:04.57 | return0 | Oh well pre-8500 in that case :) |
| 04:04.57 | Justin_ | !tell Recoil` about set up x |
| 04:04.58 | ricII | found lot's of intresting exploit stuff on the image I took from /tmp but not how they got in. |
| 04:05.05 | beta3 | return0: if you read the pdf, it says DRI drivers are official for all models pre-8000 |
| 04:05.22 | Justin_ | Tchiak: unless you purposely broke your xp machine, it will work just fine for samba |
| 04:05.23 | return0 | beta3, what PDF? |
| 04:05.24 | Covener | tchiak: find one of many tutorials available for configuring samba, then browse to the unc for the share from windows |
| 04:05.24 | beta3 | Justin_: locate -s /usr/bin/gcc :) |
| 04:05.34 | simonrvn | mwilson, dondelelcaro: i fixed it. just bad syntax. thanks for the help |
| 04:05.36 | beta3 | Justin_: writing the patch now |
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| 04:05.57 | RelDrgn | http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status6.html#6 |
| 04:06.17 | Tchiak | ok they see each other |
| 04:06.26 | RelDrgn | as of 4.1.0 its the "ati" driver. |
| 04:06.41 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah, good... |
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| 04:06.58 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, it is kind of annoying when you get the syntax slightly wrong and it totally doesn't work. |
| 04:07.07 | Tchiak | ok windows see's samba but it's asking for a a password but not accepting what i put into smbpasswd |
| 04:07.18 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: is there a validator for the xml files of openbox3? |
| 04:07.52 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I don't speak XML very well... there's a DTD, if that's what you mean. |
| 04:08.00 | return0 | beta3, you still haven't told me, which PDF you were referiing to |
| 04:08.31 | RelDrgn | Tchiak: are you logged into the windows machine with the same username that you used to create the smbpasswd file? if not have you created a mapping windows users -> local users (not sure how to do this) |
| 04:08.39 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: hrm... I guess you could figure out if it was valid from the dtd... |
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| 04:08.51 | RelDrgn | err not create, same username you set the password for in the smbpasswd file, sorry |
| 04:09.03 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: just looking for a good way to figure out if the resultant xml was valid without running openbox |
| 04:09.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It's not like a menu file is hard to write. |
| 04:09.23 | def | oh and one other newb question, how do you extract .zip files in console |
| 04:09.25 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah, but if you screw it up just slightly, it can be annoying... |
| 04:09.36 | Justin_ | def: unp |
| 04:09.42 | Justin_ | def: stop being an idiot |
| 04:09.47 | def | didnt i tell you three times in a row |
| 04:09.47 | Tchiak | i'm not logged into samba |
| 04:09.49 | def | i dont have unp |
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| 04:09.53 | RelDrgn | if its a standard xml file and it has a real DTD, isn't that enough to validate it with insert_xml_validation_tool_here? |
| 04:09.54 | Justin_ | def: didnt i tell you to install it |
| 04:09.54 | def | and i dont know the package name for it |
| 04:10.00 | def | and you havent told me |
| 04:10.07 | def | apt-get install unp doesnt work |
| 04:10.12 | RelDrgn | def: unzip. |
| 04:10.14 | Tchiak | windows asks me for user name and password |
| 04:10.19 | ecstatix | heh, unp |
| 04:10.20 | mwilson | RelDrgn: *I* have no idea. Like I said, I don't speak XML at all well. |
| 04:10.22 | Covener | Justin_: no unp here either fwiw |
| 04:10.26 | Justin_ | !info unp woody |
| 04:10.30 | def | thx |
| 04:10.31 | RelDrgn | mwilson: neither do I? ;) |
| 04:10.31 | mwilson | RelDrgn: Mostly, it's an unnecessary annoyance. |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | unp: (unpack (almost) everything with one command), section non-US/contrib, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-5 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 04:10.38 | helix | dondelelcaro: weren't you going out of town or something? |
| 04:10.39 | beta3 | return0: http://ati.com/developer/altoschart.pdf |
| 04:10.46 | Justin_ | wow, look at that |
| 04:10.47 | Justin_ | fucking twits |
| 04:11.19 | Covener | Justin_: sweet, do they make a frontend for that so I can be even more retarded? |
| 04:11.20 | beta3 | return0: http://ati.com/support/faq/linux.html |
| 04:11.44 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, I was... decided I didn't want to drive for 14 hours... |
| 04:12.09 | RelDrgn | Tchiak: then all i can suggest is that you check that samba is actually using the smbpasswd file, and that the share you're trying to access is accessible by that user, and if those are ok, turn smbd's debugging level up and figure out whats going on |
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| 04:12.36 | helix | return0: ati 7000 works fine on linux |
| 04:12.37 | ecstatix | what's a good tool to diff? |
| 04:12.38 | RelDrgn | Covener: i think its called File Roller *runs* |
| 04:12.51 | dondelelcaro | ecstatix: uh, diff? |
| 04:12.56 | helix | dondelelcaro: whoa, 14 hours.. so you're staying home instead? |
| 04:13.03 | Covener | RelDrgn: lol, sorry too complex for me. Can i apt-get install a monkey to run file roller for me? |
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| 04:13.13 | dondelelcaro | helix: probably... |
| 04:13.14 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro: umm, i mean a gui diff tool. |
| 04:13.29 | Covener | ecstatix: kompare is kinda cute for small files |
| 04:13.32 | dondelelcaro | ecstatix: diff > foo; $EDITOR foo; |
| 04:13.33 | helix | which is maybe obvious since it's almost midnight :) |
| 04:13.38 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. |
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| 04:14.06 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro Covener: thanks |
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| 04:14.17 | RelDrgn | Covener: its easier to run the ReMote tool that gets someone else to do things for you. just type "rm filename" and it will send the filename away to someone else who will then do whatever was needed, and send the results back in a few minutes :) |
| 04:14.32 | return0 | beta3, cheers |
| 04:14.39 | Covener | RelDrgn: sweet, I'll have to remember this "remote messenger" tool! |
| 04:14.42 | exobyte | I put an old-school isa sb16 in a computer, but it shows up in neither dmesg or lspci. Any thoughts on why? |
| 04:14.52 | RelDrgn | ... |
| 04:14.53 | bztunk | exobyte: its isa? |
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| 04:15.00 | return0 | Got info from a crappy source, sorry |
| 04:15.01 | exobyte | bztunk: yup |
| 04:15.03 | RelDrgn | it doesnt show up on lspci because its not pci? :P |
| 04:15.06 | exobyte | bztunk: old... |
| 04:15.12 | Justin_ | exobyte: now i've never known you to be very bright, but could you be any more stupid? |
| 04:15.16 | helix | return0: out of curiosity, what did you google for to get that page? |
| 04:15.20 | bztunk | Justin_: hahaha |
| 04:15.27 | Covener | exobyte: isapnp/pnpdump or kernel isa pnp stuff? |
| 04:15.31 | bztunk | Justin_: it's new year eve man are you are still bitching |
| 04:15.35 | helix | hmm. nevermind |
| 04:15.36 | exobyte | Justin_: ok- lspci woundn't show it |
| 04:15.39 | mwilson | exobyte: It's not PCI, so why would lspci see it? It's not built-into your kernel, so why would dmesg show it? |
| 04:15.41 | RelDrgn | it doesnt show up on dmesg because you don't have the soundblaster driver loaded, or because its pnp and you haven't used isapnptools to set it up |
| 04:15.45 | return0 | helix, I didn't see why not to use it *shrugs* |
| 04:15.54 | return0 | How did you know I used Google? :) |
| 04:15.55 | sladegen | exobyte: try modprobe sb ... might work out of the box... |
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| 04:16.14 | helix | return0: i ask because i actually have a teeny tiny howto on how to get it running with debian.. so i'm kind of amused that it says somewhere it's unusable |
| 04:16.15 | exobyte | sladegen: I'll give that a try |
| 04:16.38 | mwilson | helix: Is he STILL going on about Radeon cards, or is this something else? |
| 04:16.41 | helix | i thought my site was the first hit for it but it's actually on the second page (when googling for ati radeon 7000 linux) |
| 04:16.45 | gen | I'm gay |
| 04:16.47 | Justin_ | sb should depend on pnp which will initialize the pnp stuffs and then everything would work |
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| 04:16.52 | helix | mwilson: he isn't still going on. i'm bothering him about it |
| 04:17.02 | helix | gen: we totally support your decision to be who you are |
| 04:17.08 | gen | lol |
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| 04:17.26 | zinx | :x |
| 04:17.31 | zinx | R7000 works with DRI |
| 04:17.35 | mwilson | There's any number of SB16's that aren't PnP... I suppose it'd be too much trouble to actually bother finding out what you own or anything. |
| 04:17.48 | helix | i'm so lazy |
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| 04:17.53 | helix | and not a gamer |
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| 04:18.12 | zinx | helix: you don't need to be gamer to like xscreensaver's GL hacks :/ |
| 04:18.23 | RelDrgn | openlurker: no, we all sit around and shoot firecrackers up our asses to celebrate the new years. Care to tell us your problem? :P |
| 04:18.36 | helix | zinx: no.. that's true.. but i'd need to use a screensaver |
| 04:18.45 | Justin_ | helix: um, wat do you mean "no acceleration"? |
| 04:18.52 | exobyte | sladegen: stupid question- where is the module in make menuconfig? |
| 04:18.52 | gen | nirc is a lame terminal clinet |
| 04:18.53 | gen | lol |
| 04:19.00 | return0 | !tell openlurker ask |
| 04:19.00 | RelDrgn | gen: use irssi |
| 04:19.07 | helix | Justin_: was that not intended for me? |
| 04:19.15 | bztunk | hahahaahaha |
| 04:19.17 | bztunk | http://images.double-helix.org/photo.php?id=1293523 |
| 04:19.18 | Justin_ | helix: no |
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| 04:19.28 | gen | dont like irssi's gui |
| 04:19.28 | return0 | openlurker, what is the problem, can you be more specific? |
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| 04:19.32 | sladegen | exobyte: in sound section? |
| 04:19.35 | openlurker | Rel, I can't get X to start. It comes back to a dialog asking to look at settings. |
| 04:19.38 | ecstatix | If i tend to use certain commands a lot, and want to just type in a short form, where do i put them? |
| 04:19.40 | bztunk | gen: it's teh best man |
| 04:19.41 | helix | bztunk: yeah, rolling kitty was stoned |
| 04:19.46 | helix | off 50 lbs of catnip |
| 04:19.51 | bztunk | helix: because of what? |
| 04:19.59 | gen | haven't used it in a while |
| 04:19.59 | exobyte | sladegen: I figured out up to there, but which module |
| 04:20.01 | helix | bztunk: ^^ the catnip |
| 04:20.02 | gen | i'll giv it a nother try |
| 04:20.04 | openlurker | First question is, how do I know if my mouse is detected correctly? |
| 04:20.05 | RelDrgn | openlurker: I suggest you complete the installation without X. this will let you get into the system and see things like error logs and the like |
| 04:20.23 | bztunk | helix: lol |
| 04:20.26 | arauko | HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:20.32 | mwilson | helix: This isn't right, is it? Peter is Vlad's BOFH, not you. |
| 04:20.35 | mwilson | http://images.double-helix.org/show_collection.php?id=71875 |
| 04:20.41 | helix | arauko: happy new year :) |
| 04:20.46 | arauko | :-) |
| 04:20.48 | sladegen | exobyte: oh really im no in the mood for module hunts... thought you already had it ;( |
| 04:20.54 | ecstatix | cat /dev/mouse to a file and move your mouse around. if the file contains something, then i guess your mouse is working |
| 04:20.56 | exobyte | Justin_: why wouldn't a PCI modem show up? |
| 04:21.01 | ecstatix | If i tend to use certain commands a lot, and want to just type in a short form, where do i put them? |
| 04:21.04 | helix | mwilson: no no. *I* am vlad's BOFH. peter is the owner. vlad is colocated in my house.. |
| 04:21.04 | exobyte | sladegen: I was hoping do too |
| 04:21.09 | return0 | openlurker, have a look at the XF86Config file |
| 04:21.18 | DG|BioHazard | my gzip was having segmentaion faults so my host said just reinstall it.. so i removed it and cannot get it back.. i downloaded a gzip.eehe.heth.Z file but dont have gzip to open it and tar hates it |
| 04:21.19 | Justin_ | exobyte: because it's not plugged in all the way? |
| 04:21.31 | openlurker | return, okay, just a sec |
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| 04:21.44 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: uh, something tells me you are in the wrong channel |
| 04:21.50 | mwilson | helix: That'll teach you to wear earrings around a cat. |
| 04:21.57 | helix | mwilson: no kidding |
| 04:22.04 | Covener | ecstatix: aliases in .bashrc would work |
| 04:22.07 | ecstatix | DG|BioHazard: eh? what was that gzip thing? that looks like tru64 stuff. anyway, download the cirrect one from gnu.org |
| 04:22.08 | exobyte | Justin_: I checked that. I've re-plugged in in MANY times |
| 04:22.16 | helix | he's like, "aww, i'm so cute, i'm going to rip the earrings out of your head." |
| 04:22.27 | ecstatix | Covener: oh. aliases, will read. but how do i first check if that alias is not being used by the system? |
| 04:22.49 | Covener | ecstatix: type 'alias', will shwo the aliases for your current shell |
| 04:22.56 | mwilson | I bet that hurt. |
| 04:22.58 | ecstatix | Covener: excellent. thanks |
| 04:23.06 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: if you _are_ using debian, why are you trying to compile gzip |
| 04:23.07 | return0 | helix. hahaha |
| 04:23.11 | helix | mwilson: not as much as you'd imagine |
| 04:23.12 | openlurker | Okay, I'm in my XF86Config-4 file... is that one correct? |
| 04:23.23 | def | another easy question: in /etc/fstab/ i have a device /dev/hdb1 (a windows fat32 fs) that i want to be automounted in read/write mode, but current it is only in read only, what kind of options/flags do i put there |
| 04:23.28 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: furthermore, if gzip was segfaulting, your memory is likely bad |
| 04:23.31 | mwilson | Your sister's cat looks like Vlad. |
| 04:23.31 | DG|BioHazard | its the only way i found it to reinstall it.. the apt-get install wont do it |
| 04:23.38 | tommyj | http://home.clara.co.uk/dpb/thewinter.png <- you see that panel on the right side? does anyone know what it is called? |
| 04:23.40 | DG|BioHazard | ahh damn |
| 04:23.43 | return0 | openlurker, what dir? |
| 04:23.48 | def | right now its just /dev/hdb1 /win vfat 0 0 |
| 04:23.51 | helix | def: look into uid |
| 04:23.53 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: "wont" why not? |
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| 04:24.06 | DG|BioHazard | it says need to do apt-get update |
| 04:24.06 | helix | def: i.e. 'uid=def' |
| 04:24.10 | openlurker | etc/X11 |
| 04:24.11 | Justin_ | !tell def about vfatrw |
| 04:24.21 | DG|BioHazard | when i do it gives the error that gzip has performed a 100 error.. |
| 04:24.25 | helix | or read what justin so kindly sent your way |
| 04:24.28 | DG|BioHazard | non existant gzip :( |
| 04:24.44 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: if you dont have gzip, how did gzip perform an error? |
| 04:24.51 | DG|BioHazard | no idea |
| 04:24.58 | Justin_ | what was the actual error |
| 04:24.58 | def | ok thx |
| 04:25.02 | DG|BioHazard | i did whereis gzip it comes back blank |
| 04:25.26 | DG|BioHazard | ill get it 1 sec |
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| 04:26.09 | DG|BioHazard | Sub-process gzip returned an error code (100) |
| 04:26.24 | ecstatix | that does'nt mean gzip was bad, does it? |
| 04:26.41 | DG|BioHazard | i removed gzip |
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| 04:26.41 | Aklis | try bzip2 |
| 04:26.41 | DG|BioHazard | supposedly lol |
| 04:26.44 | Aklis | some tar.bz2 source... |
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| 04:27.26 | ecstatix | DG|BioHazard: how did you remove gzip? |
| 04:27.40 | exobyte | where is the module for an isa sb16? (actually, what is it named in make menuconfig) |
| 04:27.42 | DG|BioHazard | lemme find it again.. im ssh into the box now |
| 04:27.43 | ecstatix | bztunk_ that's a ipv6 address? |
| 04:27.45 | openlurker | okay, now what? |
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| 04:28.34 | Recoil` | how do i configure a usb mouse? |
| 04:28.40 | DG|BioHazard | apt-get remove gzip |
| 04:28.42 | Justin_ | !tell Recoil` about usbmouse |
| 04:28.50 | Recoil` | ty |
| 04:28.57 | ecstatix | DG|BioHazard: hmm, ok. |
| 04:29.01 | deadcat | options set y in xconfig cant be changed in menuconfig. any idea? |
| 04:29.17 | ecstatix | but if apt-get uses gzip to unpack the packages, how did it remove gzip? /me is confused |
| 04:29.20 | DG|BioHazard | i was looking for the binaries or rpm for gzip but nothing |
| 04:29.37 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: then apt-get install gzip to put it back |
| 04:29.52 | DG|BioHazard | it cant find it it says do apt-get update |
| 04:29.52 | ecstatix | Justin_: is'nt .deb a compressed gzip archive? |
| 04:30.04 | DG|BioHazard | the update needs gzip to open the packages |
| 04:30.06 | DG|BioHazard | lol |
| 04:30.08 | ecstatix | and how would it unpack packages.gz? |
| 04:30.08 | DG|BioHazard | catch 22 :( |
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| 04:30.12 | Justin_ | who says? |
| 04:30.24 | bztunk | ecstatix: yes it is |
| 04:30.48 | ecstatix | Justin_: does'nt apt-get get a packages.gz when you do apt-get update? |
| 04:30.53 | Justin_ | ecstatix: yes |
| 04:31.01 | nt0x | rooot! bloody roooot! |
| 04:31.03 | ecstatix | bztunk heh, it will take a few years for it to get to where i am :) |
| 04:31.06 | DG|BioHazard | thats why it wont open.. i did remove gzip |
| 04:31.12 | Justin_ | so |
| 04:32.02 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: why dont you just copy it back from this other system of yours |
| 04:32.12 | DG|BioHazard | other system? |
| 04:32.14 | nt0x | does NatSemi make chips for DLink ? |
| 04:32.19 | nt0x | o.O |
| 04:32.21 | ecstatix | the other system is prolly win32 :) |
| 04:32.25 | Justin_ | so? |
| 04:32.31 | DG|BioHazard | im ssh into the box from a.. ahem win32 box |
| 04:32.38 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: so? |
| 04:32.49 | DG|BioHazard | what kind of file is .Z |
| 04:32.54 | DG|BioHazard | its not zip i tried |
| 04:32.59 | Justin_ | not the right file |
| 04:33.00 | Covener | DG|BioHazard: compress/uncompress |
| 04:33.04 | Justin_ | !+info gzip |
| 04:33.07 | dpkg | gzip: (The GNU compression utility), section base, is required. Version: 1.3.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 04:33.09 | Justin_ | grr |
| 04:33.21 | gen | wtfz0rz |
| 04:33.27 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: /pool/main/g/gzip/ |
| 04:33.31 | Justin_ | DG|BioHazard: go download it |
| 04:33.42 | openlurker | anybody can help me now? |
| 04:33.50 | gen | help with? |
| 04:34.03 | openlurker | Getting X to work. |
| 04:34.07 | exobyte | I tried to do modprobe sb, but there is no sb module |
| 04:34.12 | gen | What's the prob with it |
| 04:34.34 | openlurker | Not sure exactly, want to verify the mouse is right first. Can't use it in the fallback mode |
| 04:34.37 | Justin_ | exobyte: this is why you shouldnt compile your own kernel |
| 04:34.46 | gen | haha |
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| 04:37.45 | ecstatix | can i add myself to a group as a user? or only the root user can add a user to a group? |
| 04:37.47 | exobyte | Justin_: well- too late now. I just don't know which entry in, say .config I want |
| 04:38.29 | Justin_ | exobyte: make menuconfig |
| 04:38.54 | sensei_ | ecstatix: depends on the permissions on /etc/group |
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| 04:39.16 | exobyte | Justin_: ok- that way I don't know what I should make as a module in the sound stuff |
| 04:39.59 | sladegen | hmmm but shouldnt package managing things depend on gzip.... to prevent this kind of thing... just wondering. |
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| 04:40.21 | Justin_ | exobyte: the soundblaster module |
| 04:40.25 | sladegen | CONFIG_SOUND_SB=m but its OSS... blah and 2.4.x kernl |
| 04:40.47 | deadcat | options set y in xconfig cant be changed in menuconfig. any idea? |
| 04:41.15 | Tchiak | whats a good command line text editor for debian? |
| 04:41.23 | Tchiak | AE doesn't exist on 3.0 |
| 04:41.35 | sladegen | nano |
| 04:41.39 | deadcat | Tchiak: vim |
| 04:41.40 | Aklis | vim |
| 04:41.46 | sladegen | oops |
| 04:41.52 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:41.55 | sladegen | ed |
| 04:42.11 | sensei_ | just a matter of taste, I would say |
| 04:42.11 | ecstatix | Failed to open audio device, /dev/dsp. how do i correct that? i am added to the audio group |
| 04:42.22 | bob2 | troubled: fooz off! |
| 04:42.34 | sladegen | relogin |
| 04:42.40 | Justin_ | ecstatix: cat /etc/motd > /dev/dsp ? |
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| 04:43.20 | ecstatix | Justin_: says permission denied. i would have loved some garble |
| 04:43.32 | ecstatix | btw, how does the audio device handle weird files? |
| 04:43.46 | helix | @spank bob2 |
| 04:43.49 | holycow | how do i get a list of all the devices connected to the system and what they are called in /dev so that one could mount them? |
| 04:43.58 | sladegen | it interprets them |
| 04:44.04 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
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| 04:44.17 | bob2 | holycow: there isn't one. trawl "dmesg". |
| 04:44.33 | ecstatix | sladegen: relogin as in? i did that in a console, then closed the term, opened a new term, logged in, and tried playing something in mp3blaster |
| 04:44.34 | deadcat | !hang me |
| 04:44.35 | holycow | aha okay. |
| 04:44.51 | beta3 | deadcat: you know c right? |
| 04:45.02 | deadcat | beta3: nah.. |
| 04:45.15 | beta3 | bob2: you use scanf to get input from the user right? |
| 04:45.19 | beta3 | bob2: in C |
| 04:45.30 | bob2 | beta3: one way, yes. |
| 04:45.51 | bob2 | beta3: make sure your string formats are strict, or you'll create a buffer overrun hole |
| 04:46.06 | Justin_ | ecstatix: opening a new terminal is not logging out and logging in |
| 04:46.10 | sladegen | ecstatix: just an idea... configure sound? are you in X whay id shows... oh same old song |
| 04:46.12 | exobyte | Justin_: If I ONLY add a module, can I just make dep, make modules, make modules install and have everything work still? |
| 04:46.28 | Justin_ | exobyte: you can also just use a debian kernel, which work by them selves |
| 04:46.45 | ecstatix | Justin_: well, if i login to a new terminal, does'nt it re-read the stuff from /etc? |
| 04:46.58 | ecstatix | sladegen: uhmm, logout of X? |
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| 04:47.01 | Justin_ | ecstatix: no |
| 04:47.06 | RelDrgn | exobyte: ONLY if the kernel you compiled had "version information symbols" or whatever the hell that option is called turned OFF (its on by default despite the fact the help says to say N) |
| 04:47.12 | Acid`X | happy new yearrrr <:o) |
| 04:47.19 | RelDrgn | Acid`X: :D |
| 04:47.20 | sladegen | ecstatix: man id |
| 04:47.22 | deadcat | anyone know a kernel patch debian logo for 2.6? |
| 04:47.23 | Tchiak | ok i have windows talking to linux.. how do i get linux to see windows? |
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| 04:47.27 | ecstatix | sladegen: ok |
| 04:47.27 | Acid`X | xD |
| 04:47.30 | Acid`X | <:o)! |
| 04:47.39 | exobyte | RelDrgn: thx. I'll just recompile everything |
| 04:47.42 | RelDrgn | exobyte: if its on now, turn it off and recompile kernel and modules |
| 04:47.45 | Acid`X | happy new year 4 everybody! |
| 04:47.45 | deadcat | Tchiak: samba |
| 04:47.45 | ecstatix | Tchiak: samba-client |
| 04:47.47 | Acid`X | xD |
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| 04:47.54 | Justin_ | Tchiak: using real words besides "talking" and "see" will be helpful |
| 04:48.03 | exobyte | sladegen: I found it in oss- thx |
| 04:48.17 | mwilson | RelDrgn: That doesn't always work, versioning symbols or no. :) |
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| 04:48.40 | RelDrgn | exobyte: you can also try skipping the make dep step, but that might weird things out (its the make dep that increments the build number and thus changes the version... also the module might depend on make dep,in which case dep gets run whether you specify it or not) |
| 04:48.48 | Tchiak | so there is no way to mount a windows networked drive? |
| 04:48.59 | sladegen | exobyte: dont fotget pnp while you are at it.... |
| 04:49.00 | ecstatix | Tchiak: yes. you intall a samba client |
| 04:49.02 | mwilson | Tchiak: There isn't? |
| 04:49.22 | Justin_ | Tchiak: using real words besides "talking" and "see" will be helpful |
| 04:49.27 | RelDrgn | mwilson: it usually works, more often than with it turned on anyway ;) |
| 04:50.22 | ecstatix | Justin_: thanks, sounds working now. now can you point me to some docs that tell me when the configuration files are read when a user logs in, like if i open a new terminal and login, why wont the new shell specific files be read, etc |
| 04:50.50 | Unfrgiven | is there a way list samba shares for a given machine name from the command line. similarly is there something for NFS exports? |
| 04:51.16 | sladegen | ecstatix: its not a matter of config files .. but permissions and child processes |
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| 04:51.49 | ecstatix | sladegen: a nice place to read up on that? i'm sort of very confused right now |
| 04:52.18 | sladegen | tldp.org ... read guides |
| 04:52.18 | Covener | Unfrgiven: smbclient -L hostname |
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| 04:52.36 | ecstatix | sladegen: which one? |
| 04:52.52 | sladegen | guides all of them |
| 04:52.59 | Unfrgiven | Covener: cheers! what about a cli samba network browser? |
| 04:53.01 | ecstatix | :( thats a lot for now. |
| 04:53.25 | sladegen | take your time longhorn is way off |
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| 04:54.56 | sladegen | you can just google on basic unix tuts ... or just explore doc section in dselect |
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| 04:55.38 | helix | happy new year everyone :) |
| 04:55.56 | arauko | helix, happy new year dude |
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| 04:56.21 | Unfrgiven | helix: thats so 16 hours ago ;) |
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| 04:56.26 | sladegen | hny@helix&all |
| 04:56.42 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:56:42 EST 2003 |
| 04:56.44 | bztunk_ | awww |
| 04:56.54 | helix | bztunk_: is my clock fast? |
| 04:56.57 | Unfrgiven | bztunk_: where u at bztunk? |
| 04:57.02 | helix | it probably is. i do that on purpose ;( |
| 04:57.06 | bztunk_ | Unfrgiven: my jouse hahaha |
| 04:57.20 | bztunk_ | *house |
| 04:57.23 | Unfrgiven | bztunk_: hehe i meant "where in the world is bztunk_" ;) |
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| 04:57.36 | sensei_ | it's already 2004 for 6 hours here ;) |
| 04:57.36 | bztunk_ | Unfrgiven: Montreal, Quebec, Canads |
| 04:57.40 | ecstatix | eastern NA |
| 04:57.40 | bztunk_ | *da |
| 04:58.03 | Unfrgiven | Sydney, Australia. its nearing 4 pm 2004-01-01. |
| 04:58.21 | nt0x | 2 inutes till my balls drop. |
| 04:58.23 | sensei_ | not bad either |
| 04:58.29 | bztunk_ | nt0x: they can drop? |
| 04:58.30 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: going to watch the last cricket test match? |
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| 04:58.47 | nt0x | (bztunk) sure can |
| 04:58.52 | ecstatix | when it becomes very hot, they sort of drop |
| 04:58.53 | karsten | helix: Your clock is _way_ fast. |
| 04:58.57 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: hell yes... starts tomorrow... cant wait :) |
| 04:59.07 | helix | karsten: i sync it with my biological clock |
| 04:59.08 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: i hope its a draw |
| 04:59.10 | helix | tick tick tick |
| 04:59.10 | sladegen | 88/f/south magnetic pole |
| 04:59.10 | akusarujin | if ifconfig for one of my devices says for example: RX bytes:3005118173 (2.7 GiB) TX bytes:2796784392 (2.6 GiB) -- how much of a timeframe is that measuring? is that how much is sent in the overall uptime or.. the last day, or something else? |
| 04:59.13 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: tho i seriously hope that india puts up a better fight... |
| 04:59.14 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:13 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.21 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:20 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.23 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: draw? nah! go INDIA!!! :P |
| 04:59.25 | karsten | Wed Dec 31 20:59:25 PST 2003 |
| 04:59.29 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:28 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.36 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:35 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.36 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: no, 1-1 is nice |
| 04:59.37 | gen | heh |
| 04:59.38 | gen | another hour here |
| 04:59.42 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:41 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.44 | bztunk_ | 20 |
| 04:59.45 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:45 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.48 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:47 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.50 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:50 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.51 | karsten | ten |
| 04:59.53 | helix | haha |
| 04:59.54 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:54 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.56 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:56 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.57 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:57 EST 2003 |
| 04:59.58 | karsten | five |
| 04:59.58 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: but imagine australia losing in their own turf! |
| 04:59.58 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:58 EST 2003 |
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| 05:00.01 | bztunk_ | Wed Dec 31 23:59:59 EST 2003 |
| 05:00.04 | bztunk_ | Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 EST 2004 |
| 05:00.06 | helix | HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!11 |
| 05:00.07 | helix | w00t |
| 05:00.08 | bztunk_ | happy goatse everyone! |
| 05:00.08 | caligula | it's here! |
| 05:00.10 | akusarujin | :) |
| 05:00.12 | akusarujin | lol |
| 05:00.12 | bztunk_ | hahaaah |
| 05:00.12 | troubled | w00t! |
| 05:00.13 | nt0x | *yawn* |
| 05:00.18 | jetscreamer | damn easterners can't tell time like real men from texas |
| 05:00.19 | karsten | What happened? |
| 05:00.20 | karsten | ;-) |
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| 05:00.28 | Recoil` | can anyone tell me what this means? "use imps2 protocol and /dev/input/mice with raw repeating for gpm and ImPS/2 and /dev/gpmdata for x" |
| 05:00.33 | helix | that was the lamest new years countdown i've ever been a part of ;( |
| 05:00.33 | Unfrgiven | ok kiddies... time for bed now. u've been up long enuf tonight |
| 05:00.39 | helix | next year i'll have to leave my house |
| 05:00.45 | troubled | :) |
| 05:00.45 | gen | Good |
| 05:00.45 | bztunk_ | save that log |
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| 05:00.52 | jetscreamer | recoil /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:00.52 | bztunk_ | i had the exact time |
| 05:00.52 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: where did you party, at bondi? |
| 05:00.54 | troubled | ok, back to sleep now lol |
| 05:01.04 | jetscreamer | aka dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:01.04 | bob2 | helix: you can have three. |
| 05:01.05 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: nah penrith... u? |
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| 05:01.14 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: ermm, i am in india |
| 05:01.15 | Recoil` | reconfigure what? |
| 05:01.18 | karsten | ...is 1280x960 |
| 05:01.20 | helix | bob2: kthx! |
| 05:01.26 | jetscreamer | xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:01.43 | Tchiak | what's a good mouse manager? |
| 05:01.48 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 05:01.49 | deadcat | anyone done the bootsplash to their 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:01.51 | Wad[Serv] | can anybody tell me where the plaintext and encrypted passwd files are stored by default in debian please? |
| 05:01.55 | Recoil` | ok thx jetscreamer |
| 05:02.01 | sladegen | Recoil`: man gpm |
| 05:02.02 | Unfrgiven | deadcat: whats the bootsplash? |
| 05:02.13 | bob2 | Tchiak: such a thing does not exist. |
| 05:02.15 | jetscreamer | the debian splash? |
| 05:02.17 | nt0x | thats sick |
| 05:02.23 | bob2 | Wad[Serv]: there are no plaintext password files |
| 05:02.26 | Tchiak | bob2: how about any mouse manager |
| 05:02.28 | jetscreamer | i like the evolving penguins |
| 05:02.28 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: right now in mumbai, holidays, though i am from calcutta |
| 05:02.29 | bob2 | Wad[Serv]: such a thing would be retarded. |
| 05:02.30 | nt0x | my debian install finished two secs after 12:00am |
| 05:02.35 | nt0x | =/ |
| 05:02.40 | deadcat | jetscreamer: that or thegraphical boot |
| 05:02.46 | bob2 | Tchiak: wtf is a "mouse manager"? I've never ever heard that term before. |
| 05:02.47 | karsten | Wad[Serv]: /etc/passwd /etc/shadow |
| 05:02.51 | ecstatix | nt0x: what's the hostname - 2004? |
| 05:02.53 | jetscreamer | the splash screen stays in gnome until i click it now though |
| 05:03.01 | karsten | Wad[Serv]: ...minus the plaintext passwords. |
| 05:03.06 | Tchiak | say one that lets you use your mouse on the console |
| 05:03.07 | Wad[Serv] | karsten: thanks :D |
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| 05:03.19 | sladegen | gpm |
| 05:03.20 | Wad[Serv] | karsten: both are the encrypted ones right? |
| 05:03.28 | jetscreamer | !icewm rox |
| 05:03.30 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: if it becomes 2-1 for india, it would be unfair. they dont deserve to be 2-1 given current performance. |
| 05:03.46 | gen | fluxbox r0x |
| 05:03.48 | karsten | Wad[Serv]: No. /etc/passwd has the user information, less the password. /etc/shadow has the password hash in either crypt or md5 form. |
| 05:03.50 | gen | j00r s0x |
| 05:03.54 | gen | and j00r moms c0x |
| 05:04.02 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: true. but i mean if they work for it in the third test, then they wud deserve it |
| 05:04.03 | jetscreamer | hey so how did the bots get their lobotomies |
| 05:04.11 | oelewapperke | SadEagle's pdf looks a lot better already ;-p |
| 05:04.17 | oelewapperke | still not quite right thoug |
| 05:04.18 | dondelelcaro | gen: ? not hardly. try openbox. |
| 05:04.20 | oelewapperke | +h |
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| 05:04.24 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: "if" the single biggest driving factor for the indian media |
| 05:04.33 | Aquarina | ok, I think I got my cups system to work... but now.. how do I delete all those "completed jobs"? |
| 05:04.40 | bztunk_ | helix: yeah that was lame, i should be in and i should be in a party downtown or something |
| 05:04.46 | bztunk_ | helix: but im am in #debian |
| 05:04.47 | ecstatix | Aquarina: haha, finally |
| 05:05.03 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: indeed |
| 05:05.05 | helix | bztunk_: yeah.. no worries, that kind of stuff is for people with friends |
| 05:05.08 | Aquarina | ecstatix: I was looking for your nick!... :) |
| 05:05.21 | Wad[Serv] | karsten: so if a program wanted to know where the password for a specific user on my computer was, it'd look at /etc/shadow right? |
| 05:05.27 | bztunk_ | helix: yeah, something that i don't have haha |
| 05:05.42 | Aquarina | ecstatix: stupid thing: all I had to do was reboot (restart cups!) |
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| 05:05.56 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: anyway, i am more of a soccer follower. though good luck to your watching the match. and hope there are some sessions where india dominates |
| 05:06.03 | ecstatix | Aquarina: heh. |
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| 05:07.38 | Aquarina | now I have a lot of "completed jobs" ... I should delete them... |
| 05:08.03 | bob2 | Wad[Serv]: no, their password is not stored on your computer at all. |
| 05:08.07 | bob2 | Wad[Serv]: you'll have to ask them nicely. |
| 05:08.08 | sladegen | so dumb... ;() |
| 05:09.41 | Wad[Serv] | bob2: the only 2 users on that computer are root and me. |
| 05:09.54 | Wad[Serv] | bob2: seeing as i can't put the computer into production until it works |
| 05:09.59 | bob2 | Wad[Serv]: then you already know all the passwords. |
| 05:10.24 | Wad[Serv] | bob2: i know that. but up until 5 seconds ago, the program i was trying to use didn't know where to find them |
| 05:10.37 | Wad[Serv] | bob2: thanks to karsten, the program now works |
| 05:10.56 | Wad[Serv] | karsten: +1 |
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| 05:12.16 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: soceers ok... dont mind it. but dont follow it |
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| 05:12.35 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: its like 90 minutes versus 1 whole day |
| 05:12.36 | openlurker | How do I rerun the debian X configuration program (debconf?) |
| 05:12.56 | chroot | use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:13.03 | chance2105 | openlurker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:13.10 | openlurker | thank you |
| 05:13.11 | RelDrgn | openlurker: try XFree86 -configure first. If it works, it works better ;) |
| 05:13.25 | Unfrgiven | ecstatix: i agree abt that... i like 1 dayers but tests shit me. 'cept when its 1-1 and they're abt 2 play decider |
| 05:13.40 | Matthew_I | is there a way to convert from ext3 to riser3? |
| 05:13.43 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: heh |
| 05:13.49 | Matthew_I | and is riser4 out yet? |
| 05:14.09 | helix | !hiabmj |
| 05:14.09 | dpkg | helix is a bad mamma jamma |
| 05:14.15 | Unfrgiven | Matthew_I: no way to convert. v4 hasnt been merged into kernel yet |
| 05:14.25 | bob2 | Matthew_I: copy it off, reformat, copy it back. |
| 05:14.37 | chance2105 | Matthew_I: tar is your friend |
| 05:14.40 | Matthew_I | bob2: and I think I have space to do that (at least I can make space) |
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| 05:14.54 | Matthew_I | chance2105: thanks |
| 05:15.26 | sladegen | or cp -a |
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| 05:15.40 | Unfrgiven | is reiser *that* much better than ext2/3? |
| 05:15.47 | ecstatix | a new disk, which you can later use to backup |
| 05:15.54 | nnn | hey guys, what package do i need to make modules work in 2.6? |
| 05:16.03 | sladegen | xfs rulez!!! |
| 05:16.05 | Unfrgiven | nnn: module-init-tools |
| 05:16.07 | ecstatix | nnn: module0init-tools |
| 05:16.09 | nnn | thanks |
| 05:16.11 | chance2105 | nnn: module-init-tool |
| 05:16.12 | nnn | awesome |
| 05:16.19 | chance2105 | manyoso, I gotta get faster at the trigger |
| 05:16.24 | chance2105 | err .. uh nevermind |
| 05:16.53 | Unfrgiven | sladegen: is there comparison i can read up that confirms this? in what ways wud u say xfs is better than ext2/3? |
| 05:17.11 | Tchiak | hmm xwindowsw is going insane |
| 05:17.28 | Tchiak | it keeps saying viewport 0 0 mode name expected |
| 05:17.30 | ecstatix | everyone has an opinion. there was a comparision based on the size of files, retrieval times. |
| 05:17.30 | Tchiak | what does that mean? |
| 05:17.37 | chance2105 | Tchiak: it has purpose other than insanity? |
| 05:17.42 | Unfrgiven | anyone having kdm problems when doing an apt-get upgrade atm? |
| 05:17.43 | Csan | hi, HNY! I'd really need the firmware file for Genius Vivid scanners - I'm trying to add support for model 4xe but I'm stuck as I need the file: ccd548.fw |
| 05:17.56 | Matthew_I | bob2: I probably only need to back up /home/ and maybe /etc right? everything else I can just reinstall |
| 05:18.02 | Csan | does anyone possess ccd548.fw firmware file by any chance? |
| 05:18.05 | bob2 | Matthew_I: yes. |
| 05:18.26 | Unfrgiven | Matthew_I: depends if you run mysql databases |
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| 05:18.50 | Matthew_I | Unfrgiven: i don't but thanks for the info |
| 05:19.19 | sladegen | Unfrgiven: its my subjective/a bit flamboyant observation.... and i used all of them journaling fss ... just is faster e.g. at listing dirs with 1000s of files |
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| 05:21.51 | Unfrgiven | sladegen: thats it? thats the basis of u deciding that you favour xfs? |
| 05:22.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, hasn't argued to my knowledge... I not being RMS and all...) |
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| 05:23.14 | yaman | how do i get ogg support in xmms? |
| 05:23.28 | ecstatix | Unfrgiven: by brother's department has a GIS database, its huge, and they use ext3 |
| 05:23.34 | ecstatix | yaman: apt-cache search vorbis |
| 05:23.58 | yaman | ecstatix, theres nothing specific to xmms |
| 05:24.02 | sladegen | yes i dont have all day when i accidentally enter /var/lib/dpkg/info ... and dont run production super-dooper things... so kill me |
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| 05:24.52 | helix | @kill sladegen |
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| 05:25.04 | ecstatix | sladegen: yeah, some article i had read said xfs when you have files of a smaller size. they were saying reiserfs is good for larger file sizes |
| 05:25.21 | yaman | ecstatix, oh, i just needed to reopen XMMS. thanks. |
| 05:25.24 | helix | i thought it was the other way around |
| 05:25.36 | gen | Bleh#@! |
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| 05:25.43 | bob2 | C = 5/9*(F-32)? |
| 05:25.51 | bob2 | farenheit -> celsius. |
| 05:25.56 | ecstatix | yes |
| 05:26.10 | sladegen | im no expert.. sorry but tried them all and found xfs most "responsive" |
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| 05:26.32 | ecstatix | there is a debian netinstall image with xfs support, right? |
| 05:26.41 | bob2 | yup |
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| 05:27.39 | Justin_ | bob2: all you need to know is 0->32 and 100->212 and you can figure it out |
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| 05:28.30 | nt0x | I have a dumb question, when you do the image kernel, and it says to add 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image stanza, I just add that line unchanged? save, then run lilo ? |
| 05:28.37 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:28.50 | holycow | *hmmm* how do i get discover to mount cd's floppys, etc in the /mnt dir? right now it puts them all in / and thats annoying. man pages and google have yielded no results on how to get it to change this :/ any tips? |
| 05:29.09 | dondelelcaro | holycow: just link from /mnt to / |
| 05:29.33 | nt0x | (bob2) should I do that before I do apt-get ? |
| 05:29.34 | Csan | nt0x: add it to vmlinux image only |
| 05:29.39 | holycow | and leave the devices in / ? isn't that inelegant? |
| 05:29.45 | bob2 | nt0x: no, just make sure you do it before you reboot |
| 05:29.45 | nt0x | Csan ? |
| 05:29.46 | Csan | you can do it during, when it asks |
| 05:29.46 | dondelelcaro | holycow: its just a mountpoint |
| 05:29.58 | Csan | add, then say "n" (stop?) |
| 05:30.02 | dondelelcaro | holycow: you could modify your fstab as well, which would change it. |
| 05:30.06 | holycow | right so why cant the mount point be /mnt? |
| 05:30.09 | holycow | ohhhhh :) |
| 05:30.12 | holycow | okay i see |
| 05:30.13 | holycow | thanku :) |
| 05:30.30 | nt0x | ---> add it to vmlinux image only ? |
| 05:30.32 | dondelelcaro | or should change it, if discover is intelligent |
| 05:30.40 | Csan | nt0x: yes, as it says |
| 05:30.46 | nt0x | image=/vmlinuz |
| 05:30.50 | nt0x | not old |
| 05:30.57 | nt0x | I got that part |
| 05:30.58 | Csan | yes. |
| 05:30.59 | holycow | oh i see okay there we go, the entries are manually set |
| 05:31.00 | holycow | interest |
| 05:31.06 | holycow | interesting thanks donde :) apreciate that |
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| 05:31.17 | dondelelcaro | holycow: np. man fstab; man mount; while you're at it... |
| 05:31.18 | nt0x | I just put it after the label=Linux line, saved and ran lilo |
| 05:31.25 | Csan | next upgrade add initrd=initrd.img.old to the vmlinuz.old section also |
| 05:31.28 | holycow | *nod* :) |
| 05:31.45 | Gnea | HOLYCOW |
| 05:31.49 | Gnea | it's 2004! |
| 05:31.50 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:31.54 | nt0x | next Kernel Upgraqde? |
| 05:31.57 | nt0x | -q |
| 05:31.58 | holycow | hey :) happy new year and junk :) |
| 05:31.59 | Csan | yes |
| 05:32.02 | nt0x | ok |
| 05:32.02 | Gnea | #) |
| 05:32.05 | nt0x | lets give it a go |
| 05:32.06 | nt0x | brb |
| 05:32.09 | nt0x | hopefully |
| 05:32.10 | Csan | gl |
| 05:32.15 | Csan | hey |
| 05:32.15 | chance2105 | I have 23 minutes ... |
| 05:32.20 | nt0x | ? |
| 05:32.21 | Tchiak | hmmm... i have xwindows started but for some reason the mouse is really choppy |
| 05:32.25 | deadcat | !+enter |
| 05:32.25 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 05:32.28 | Csan | run lilo -v -t manually to see everytihng is ok |
| 05:32.30 | Tchiak | i'm using a two button microsoft mouse on the /dev/psaux |
| 05:32.31 | ecstatix | why do you need to have a /vmlinuz and a initrd.img when you can put all the stuff in /boot? |
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| 05:32.36 | nt0x | ok |
| 05:32.40 | Csan | then say "n" |
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| 05:33.06 | Gnea | ecstatix: you don't... default setups use it, it can be changed without any problems |
| 05:33.14 | bob2 | ecstatix: ls -l / |
| 05:33.15 | KudoBoi | hi guys |
| 05:33.20 | bob2 | ecstatix: they're symlinks into /boot |
| 05:33.42 | ecstatix | bob2: yeah, that's what confused me. |
| 05:33.57 | Csan | ecstatic: because you could have machines that need module-only features at startup |
| 05:34.06 | chance2105 | Tchiak: what do you mean by 'choppy'? |
| 05:34.07 | ecstatix | Csan: like |
| 05:34.08 | KudoBoi | whats the difference between Non-US and without? |
| 05:34.12 | Csan | like drbd |
| 05:34.16 | Csan | lvm |
| 05:34.17 | ecstatix | Csan: oh |
| 05:34.19 | Csan | etc |
| 05:34.19 | Tchiak | like not usable |
| 05:34.20 | bob2 | ecstatix: it's just so the Debian packages only have to modify the symlinks, instead of actually editing lilo.conf |
| 05:34.25 | bob2 | KudoBoi: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 05:34.32 | Tchiak | the pointer keeps flashing and moving really quickly across the top |
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| 05:34.39 | thu | hey |
| 05:34.47 | chance2105 | Tchiak: You have the mouse set to the wrong type. |
| 05:34.52 | thu | what kernel do I need to use drives bigger than 137GB? |
| 05:34.53 | Tchiak | hmmm |
| 05:34.55 | chance2105 | Tchiak: What did you select when setting up X? |
| 05:35.03 | Tchiak | microsoft 2 button mouse |
| 05:35.16 | Gnea | thu: 2.4 does it just fine.. what kernel u on now? |
| 05:35.26 | chance2105 | Tchiak: Try either PS/2 or IMPS/2. I've not come across a pointing device that didn't work with either one. |
| 05:35.30 | thu | Gnea: 2.2? :) |
| 05:35.34 | ecstatix | bob2: so at any point, using the debian package, you will have a stable kernel and a older kernel? |
| 05:35.42 | chance2105 | err ....... 'one of either' or whatever, it's late :p |
| 05:35.46 | Gnea | thu: wow yeah that's old ;) go 2.4.23 :) |
| 05:35.52 | thu | k |
| 05:35.55 | Csan | ecstatic: actually,by using all-to-modules and initrd, you are minimalizing the times you have to recompile your kernel if you add/remove hardware |
| 05:36.12 | openlurker | chance, what's the difference between PS/2 and IMPS/2? |
| 05:36.18 | bob2 | ecstatix: yup |
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| 05:36.27 | sladegen | thu: perheps you need newer bios... just a thought |
| 05:36.30 | chance2105 | openlurker: I have no idea, but when the type is between those two .. it acts _just_ like that. |
| 05:36.41 | Matthew_I | openlurker: if you have a wheelmouse you need imps/2 |
| 05:36.49 | openlurker | Ah, that may be it, then |
| 05:36.55 | chance2105 | Matthew_I: not necessarily |
| 05:36.59 | ecstatix | Csan: hmm, i have'nt had much chance to compile kernels. only once, when i set up the base config, and downloaded and compiled support for my nic(which was supported only in 2.4.23), i was confused by the kernel howto :) |
| 05:37.03 | Matthew_I | chance2105: well that is my expirence |
| 05:37.04 | chance2105 | Matthew_I: I'm using X set to PS/2 and using my wheel now |
| 05:37.07 | openlurker | Mine's not working, and I told it PS/2. It is a PS/2 mouse. |
| 05:37.17 | ecstatix | Csan: i compiled most things into the kernel :) |
| 05:37.19 | Matthew_I | openlurker: then do imps/2 |
| 05:37.22 | chance2105 | openlurker: Try IMPS/2 |
| 05:37.29 | Csan | ..and also have the world's most fit-your-needs and less memory use kernel |
| 05:37.42 | openlurker | I will. Give me a minute or two... |
| 05:37.50 | Gnea | ecstatix: kernels are really easy.. it's just a matter of actually sitting down and going thru the whole config/compile process a few times |
| 05:37.54 | chance2105 | Matthew_I: apologies .. (tired) |
| 05:37.58 | Csan | ecstatic: that's what I don't like to do (everything into) and that's why I am using initrd |
| 05:38.30 | Matthew_I | chance2105: no prob |
| 05:39.02 | ecstatix | Gnea: its something i did once, and i'd rather not do multiple times, but guess i have to. right now, its 2.4.23 and i cant do a make oldconfig in 2.6.0 |
| 05:39.03 | Csan | ecstatic: with kernel-package, the only command you need when recompiling your kernel is: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 05:39.03 | ecstatix | heh |
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| 05:39.27 | ecstatix | Csan: kernel-package was even more confusing. i just followed the kernel-howto. |
| 05:39.42 | ecstatix | maybe if i read it now, it will be a lot easier |
| 05:39.44 | chance2105 | I'm all about kernel-package |
| 05:39.46 | Csan | try it |
| 05:39.53 | Csan | better: |
| 05:39.57 | chance2105 | I don't .. well I know I couldn't do it without k-package |
| 05:39.59 | ecstatix | the first time i compiled the kernel was when i was 1 day old with installing linux |
| 05:40.13 | Csan | check Debian user guide "Debian and the kernel" on debian.org |
| 05:40.16 | Gnea | ecstatix: i started back at 2.0.33, the concept was the same then, if not a bit more chaotic (ie. there was no make install then, even still i don't use it, i just dep, bzImage, modules[_install] and copy everything over manually) |
| 05:40.27 | thu | Gnea: correction, I'm on 2.4.18 |
| 05:40.35 | thu | Gnea: and I can only see 137G of the drive |
| 05:40.37 | Gnea | ecstatix: i found i had to do it in order to get anywhere |
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| 05:40.46 | sladegen | thu: perheps you need newer bios... just a thought |
| 05:40.47 | nt0x | There has top be something thats telling this damn thing to look at 0x240 for my nic, because thats what I put in at setup, so how can I change it? |
| 05:40.52 | Gnea | thu: what drive is it? |
| 05:41.04 | thu | sladegen: I'm trying to avoid flashing the bios |
| 05:41.09 | thu | Gnea: 180G Hitachi |
| 05:41.20 | Gnea | thu: that's an ide? |
| 05:41.24 | thu | Gnea: yeah |
| 05:41.25 | Gnea | nt0x: what nic? |
| 05:41.36 | Csan | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-customkernel |
| 05:41.40 | Gnea | thu: what's the ide controller? |
| 05:41.45 | Csan | ecstatic: read that :) |
| 05:42.20 | thu | Gnea: intel 82371sb PIIX3 |
| 05:42.34 | Csan | nt0x: ha, reboot succesful? |
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| 05:42.40 | Gnea | thu: sounds slightly ancient... |
| 05:42.41 | openlurker | nope, didn't work. |
| 05:42.52 | nt0x | (Gnea) DE-220P ISA, uses the 'ne' module, worked fine under 2.2, and yes I had to specify io=0x240, but when I put 2.4.28 on, it says No NE*000 Card is found at 0x240 |
| 05:42.55 | thu | Gnea: it's an old HP Vectra (P166) |
| 05:43.01 | ecstatix | Csan: yeah, i have all of that copied to myhome dir |
| 05:43.09 | nt0x | Csan, im on a different comp |
| 05:43.15 | Gnea | nt0x: tried w/o the io param? |
| 05:43.17 | nt0x | yeah reboot went ok, but it dropped my nic again |
| 05:43.29 | Gnea | thu: niiice... those are hard to come by |
| 05:43.35 | nt0x | Gnea, during setup yes, and it failed |
| 05:43.39 | Gnea | thu: yeah, you might need to do something with the bios |
| 05:43.51 | Gnea | nt0x: is it pnp? |
| 05:44.00 | nt0x | Gnea supposedly |
| 05:44.01 | Csan | put isa-pnp module into /etc/modules? |
| 05:44.17 | nt0x | if I do modprobe ne;insmod ne I get errors |
| 05:44.25 | nt0x | (Csan) its an apt-get kernel-image |
| 05:44.29 | Gnea | nt0x: it either is or it isn't... do you have isapnptools installed? |
| 05:44.50 | bob2 | !+insmod |
| 05:44.51 | Csan | nt0X: yes, what is the point...? you still need isa-npn module |
| 05:44.51 | dpkg | i guess insmod is Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. |
| 05:45.21 | Csan | isa-pnp that is |
| 05:45.23 | Csan | :) |
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| 05:45.46 | Gnea | Csan: that's true, but first it should be ascertained for sure, that's what pnpdump is for ;) |
| 05:46.11 | sladegen | thu: another ... just a thought ... in kernel setup set to not go any if you know what i mean |
| 05:46.19 | nt0x | isapnptools? is that the name of the pkg ? |
| 05:46.20 | Csan | Gnea: well, it is either supported/detected by isa-pnp or not... not too many other choices :) |
| 05:46.27 | moberry | I have a somewhat stupid question. In computer case fans which direction does the air blow.. towards the label or away. or is this even standardized? |
| 05:46.29 | Gnea | nt0x: yeah |
| 05:46.36 | helix | anyone in here: how do international phone numbers show up on caller ID (in the US)? |
| 05:46.38 | thu | sladegen: I have a stock kernel right now |
| 05:46.51 | RelDrgn | people who keep putting "insmod" in general documentation need to be flayed alive |
| 05:46.52 | Gnea | helix: good question, haven't had one call me yet |
| 05:46.55 | karsten | moberry: Look for an arrow imprint on the fan. It may be a label or molded onto the fan. |
| 05:47.02 | chance2105 | moberry: Usually 'through' the case .. front to back. |
| 05:47.08 | helix | you people are useless |
| 05:47.14 | sladegen | thu: just a thought (tm) |
| 05:47.16 | moberry | karsten there wasnt |
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| 05:47.32 | moberry | chance2105 i know but i need to know which way to turn the fan :p |
| 05:47.35 | karsten | moberry: Plug it in, check the airflow, and draw an arrow in the direction. |
| 05:47.35 | Gnea | helix: thanks |
| 05:47.41 | chance2105 | moberry: All of the fans need to blow the same way. |
| 05:47.44 | RelDrgn | helix: the one time years and years ago I got one, the caller id panel told me there was no information for the number. |
| 05:47.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:47.54 | chance2105 | moberry: Check the direction that your power supply fan is blowing .. usually it's blowing out the back |
| 05:47.57 | Csan | helix lol... call me and I'll tell ya |
| 05:48.01 | moberry | chance2105 no,, intake and exhaust |
| 05:48.07 | helix | Csan: dream on loverboy! |
| 05:48.09 | nt0x | great, now I shitted, my boot disk is failing |
| 05:48.16 | chance2105 | moberry: Intake, exactly opposite. Have it blowing _into_ the case. |
| 05:48.18 | nt0x | now what? |
| 05:48.23 | chance2105 | moberry: You want to make air move through the case. |
| 05:48.25 | mith | nt0x: so burn another cd |
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| 05:48.33 | nt0x | now I am stuck in 2.4.28 |
| 05:48.41 | nt0x | mith, I dont have a burner here |
| 05:48.44 | Gnea | 2.4.28 is out? |
| 05:48.49 | nt0x | grr |
| 05:48.50 | nt0x | 18 |
| 05:48.51 | Csan | :) |
| 05:48.51 | mith | uhhh no |
| 05:48.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:48.59 | michal | damn.. i have a big scart rgb conduction mystery. don't suppose anyone here would know anything about electronics? |
| 05:49.08 | mith | nt0x: so rebuild the kernel and quit bitching? |
| 05:49.18 | Csan | nt0x: what do you mean 'boot disk is failing"? |
| 05:49.20 | nt0x | (joesmith) it was an apt-get |
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| 05:49.35 | nt0x | (Csan) my floppy, I dunno, it just saus boot failed |
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| 05:49.46 | Csan | michal: ATI TV-OUT issue? |
| 05:49.46 | moberry | chance2105 er... i understand all that. but there is no indication on the fan on which way the air flow is. i need to know that so one can be position in the front to intake air, and the other is turned around to blow it out the back |
| 05:49.52 | nt0x | I can get into 2.4.18 just fine |
| 05:49.59 | nt0x | but with no nic, I cant use apt =) |
| 05:50.03 | chance2105 | moberry: just turn it on and see |
| 05:50.11 | jstevens | question ... using samba as a printserver... how do I turn off the "coversheet" that automatically prints off after every pirnt job? |
| 05:50.20 | mith | moberry: so plug it in and see |
| 05:50.26 | Csan | why do you have no nic? whay can't you boot into the old kernel? |
| 05:50.29 | Tchiak | what is a good program to do a scan of PCI devices to see if my ESS sound chip is being recognized? |
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| 05:50.39 | Gnea | Tchiak: lspci |
| 05:50.39 | Csan | Tchiak: lspci |
| 05:50.44 | chance2105 | moberry: plug it into the 220v for a particularly fun display |
| 05:50.44 | moberry | chance2105 hehe ya but it doesnt blow hard enough to really be able to tell. i just wondered if anybody in here knew off hand. i can look it up |
| 05:50.46 | moberry | thnk |
| 05:50.46 | moberry | x |
| 05:50.52 | mith | Csan: because he's a moron that doesn't know how to configure lilo or grub, let alone recompile his kernel properly, obviously |
| 05:50.55 | Tchiak | mine keeps saying command not found |
| 05:51.09 | Csan | mith: I don't think so |
| 05:51.13 | nt0x | Csan, the nly nic I have in there is the one with the problem, and it boots only to 2.4 with no option to boot to 2.2, and the boot disk with 2.2 is fuXored |
| 05:51.23 | Csan | maybe kernel-image of woody is not robust enough |
| 05:52.01 | sladegen | Tchiak: apt-get install brain for gods sake!!!! |
| 05:52.01 | michal | Csan: no.. it's more generic.. i have r g and b going out at full strength and when i connect to the tv it works fine.. however if i use the pass through of my dvd player it's as if b was being totally dropped.. the singal is getting to the dvd player and the signal CAN go from the dvd player to the tv (it does so when playing dvd's). and to confuse me more the b pin from the aux in conducts to b pin on the tv out on the dvd player |
| 05:52.02 | Csan | Tchiak: apt-get install pciutils |
| 05:52.02 | nt0x | is there a way to reverse lilo ? |
| 05:52.14 | chance2105 | moberry: hell, take it outside and run wires from the fan to the power lines |
| 05:52.14 | Tchiak | never mind.. |
| 05:52.19 | Tchiak | i was doing ispci |
| 05:52.27 | chance2105 | moberry: make sure the lines connect before the transformer |
| 05:52.27 | Tchiak | they look so similar on my screen |
| 05:52.34 | Csan | nt0x: what does lilo -v -t say? |
| 05:52.41 | Gnea | use bigger fonts |
| 05:52.52 | nt0x | (Csan) one sec .. |
| 05:52.56 | michal | using a female to female scart adapter instead of the dvd player also results in b working |
| 05:53.28 | michal | so i don't know what's happening to the b signal as it goes through the dvd player.. it's a mystery |
| 05:53.34 | Csan | nt0x that means you didn't do what I suggested... pff :) |
| 05:53.47 | Tchiak | does anyone know if ess is supported by debian? |
| 05:53.58 | Csan | michal: ok sorry, I pass that one... but at least you wrote down your problem |
| 05:54.09 | Csan | Tchiak: use alsa |
| 05:54.16 | Ubel | happy new year! |
| 05:54.41 | chance2105 | w00t |
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| 05:54.45 | nt0x | (Csan) it gives one error, that everyone told me not to worry about |
| 05:55.04 | Csan | ok pm it to me |
| 05:55.07 | mith | michal: sounds like your dvd player is hosed? |
| 05:56.08 | Csan | nt0x: so if it gives you an error, why did you boot into the new kernel |
| 05:56.13 | bob2 | Tchiak: "ess"? |
| 05:57.23 | sladegen | sound card/chip |
| 05:57.45 | michal | mith: how does it sound like that? there's no test that indicates that there is anything wrong with the dvd player :/ any suggestions? |
| 05:57.47 | bob2 | then "yes". |
| 05:57.51 | bob2 | ~mith mith |
| 05:58.01 | Tchiak | yeah "ESS" is the brand and is integrated into the MB |
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| 05:58.16 | mith | michal: because it's not passing the signal properly, it might just be the input jacks on the dvd player that are fucked |
| 05:58.54 | michal | and i just did an end to end test with a multimeter and the b signal travels ALL the way from start to finish :/ there's no reason for the tv not to display it when it does display r and g |
| 05:59.07 | michal | mith: but it IS passing the signal |
| 05:59.34 | mith | michal: you said it wasn't passing the b signal didn't you? |
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| 05:59.56 | ecstatix | can someone accept a file from me via dcc, want to check if dcc send works. the file is a screenshit |
| 06:00.01 | michal | mith: no i didn't. read again.. i went to a lot of trouble describing the problem :/ |
| 06:00.32 | michal | there'd be no mystery if it simply wasn't conducting end to end :/ |
| 06:00.48 | Recoil` | can anyone help me w/ the last step of the usb mouse setup "use imps2 protocol and /dev/input/mie with raw repeating for gpm and ImPS/2 and /dev/gpmdata for x" |
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| 06:01.33 | Recoil` | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to setup the mouse under imps2, but i dont know what to do after that |
| 06:02.07 | Recoil` | nobody here? |
| 06:02.13 | jamesd | HAPPY NEW YEARS!HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:02.25 | Csan | Recoil: do you have Input section in your XF86Config-4 file? |
| 06:02.25 | deadcat | 2 more hrs. |
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| 06:02.57 | Recoil` | i donno... |
| 06:02.59 | Ubel | uhh ehhh? |
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| 06:03.21 | Recoil` | i used to live in central |
| 06:03.27 | Csan | yeah, HNY US people... we had NYE 7 hours ago :P |
| 06:03.27 | Recoil` | i ran |
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| 06:03.45 | Csan | Recoil: well I dunno either |
| 06:03.51 | openlurker | Oh yeah, yay, happy new year... |
| 06:03.57 | Recoil` | how do i check? |
| 06:04.11 | Csan | open it and see it with you *own* eyes! |
| 06:04.11 | Csan | wow |
| 06:04.13 | Csan | :) |
| 06:04.14 | Recoil` | i still have 2 hours till new year |
| 06:04.30 | Recoil` | cant i just use somebody elses eyes |
| 06:04.33 | Csan | it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:04.35 | Recoil` | that'd be much easier |
| 06:04.39 | thu | west coaaast |
| 06:04.56 | Csan | Recoil: not with today's technology |
| 06:04.57 | Recoil` | so what am i looking for under input section |
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| 06:05.27 | Csan | how many input sections do you have? is there one with device set to /dev/input/mice ? |
| 06:05.31 | sladegen | Recoil`: then pay up... didnt i report you to your corporate masters??? |
| 06:05.38 | michal | i had NYE 16 hours ago :P |
| 06:05.54 | Csan | 16? Oceania? |
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| 06:05.56 | Csan | :) |
| 06:06.08 | Recoil` | corporate masters? *cowers in fear* |
| 06:06.20 | michal | Brisbane.. Sydney was ahead of us by 1 hour |
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| 06:06.45 | Csan | michal: and... how's the future? |
| 06:06.49 | Csan | :D |
| 06:07.11 | Recoil` | i guess ill brb then, i wish i had my laptop w/ me so i can be in irc and working on comp at same time... |
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| 06:07.32 | pvalley | would anyone have a good address for updateding kde? using apt-get |
| 06:08.09 | Csan | pvalley: check http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 06:08.52 | pvalley | thank you cscan happy new year to everyone! |
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| 06:10.10 | michal | Csan: well because i can't get blue pass through to work via my dvd player on rgb mode the future sucks :/ |
| 06:10.16 | mwilson | You have to wonder what he thinks he's updating it to. |
| 06:11.00 | shamoun | anyone know of good linux tax software, something a proffesional would use for his clients? |
| 06:11.03 | sladegen | windows |
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| 06:11.49 | Csan | michal: couldn't it be that you are specifying the wrong video standard? |
| 06:12.12 | sladegen | i have no idea shamoun ... look up gnucash... i know it sucks |
| 06:12.16 | Csan | *just an idea...) |
| 06:12.34 | bztunk | ~test |
| 06:12.36 | | Passed |
| 06:12.40 | bztunk | apt: thanks |
| 06:12.41 | | bztunk: pas de quoi |
| 06:12.51 | bztunk | apt: i love you |
| 06:12.52 | | lets pash |
| 06:12.57 | bztunk | apt: i love you |
| 06:12.58 | | lets pash |
| 06:12.59 | Recoil` | so im back, i found two mice input devices in XF86Config-4, one generic under /dev/input/mice, the other configured under /dev/gpmdata |
| 06:13.14 | Csan | RecoiL ok so what's the problem? |
| 06:13.28 | Recoil` | when i startx it wont load |
| 06:13.35 | Recoil` | failure to initialize pointer |
| 06:13.46 | Csan | hotplug installed? |
| 06:13.49 | Recoil` | usb mouse |
| 06:13.52 | Recoil` | yes it is |
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| 06:14.00 | Csan | restarted? |
| 06:14.01 | Recoil` | i followed the "howto" for usb mice |
| 06:14.05 | Recoil` | several times |
| 06:14.12 | Csan | mouse detected? |
| 06:14.28 | Csan | lsusb ? |
| 06:14.29 | Recoil` | uhh ehh |
| 06:14.39 | Recoil` | havent done that |
| 06:14.44 | Recoil` | i guess ill... brb |
| 06:14.50 | sladegen | man gpm read ;?) |
| 06:14.55 | Recoil` | i did |
| 06:15.00 | Recoil` | command not found |
| 06:15.10 | Recoil` | somebody told me that before too |
| 06:15.14 | Recoil` | *shrug* |
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| 06:15.15 | Csan | so no usb support installed |
| 06:15.19 | Csan | pf ;) |
| 06:15.35 | Csan | apt-get install usb-utils |
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| 06:15.56 | Recoil` | but i did do apt-get install usbmgr and hotplug |
| 06:16.07 | exobyte | Justin_: u home? |
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| 06:16.48 | Recoil` | u want me to do usb-utils for good measure? |
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| 06:17.48 | Recoil` | ok then, i guess ill go do that and check in if things dont work out |
| 06:18.12 | michal | Csan: no.. because it all works when the dvd player is not in the loop and the dvd player just passes the signal on unmodified when in standby mode.. and r g and b do pass through.. but clearly something in either the dvd player or in the tv is reacting by cutting out the blue once it gets to the tv (the dvd and tv communicate via the scart cables in some unspecified manner) |
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| 06:18.59 | Csan | as you wish, Recoil |
| 06:19.29 | sladegen | michal: im telling you thay dvd has some blues ;)))) |
| 06:19.30 | bztunk | dpkg: help |
| 06:19.32 | exobyte | I installed a somewhat old PCI modem, but it doesn't show up in lspci. Any ideas? |
| 06:19.42 | mith | exobyte: it's broken? |
| 06:20.03 | mith | exobyte: or it does in fact show up you just don't know what you're looking for? |
| 06:20.21 | Csan | exobyte: maybe it's a soft modem? |
| 06:20.35 | Csan | winmodem? http://wwww.linmodems.org/ |
| 06:20.42 | mith | Csan: that wouldn't keep it from showing up in lspci. |
| 06:21.18 | Csan | mith: really? I didn't know that : |
| 06:21.19 | Csan | ) |
| 06:21.37 | exobyte | Csan: I am 99% sure it's a cheap pos winmodem, so yes- a softmodem |
| 06:21.37 | Csan | I haven't had a winmodem yet |
| 06:21.44 | exobyte | mith: I have two identical ones |
| 06:21.44 | sladegen | shape up Csan! |
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| 06:21.52 | Csan | :) |
| 06:21.58 | exobyte | Csan: good 4 u. /me is cheap |
| 06:22.30 | mith | exobyte: what show's up in lspci? |
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| 06:22.58 | Bangers | can anyone tell me how in .procmailrc, to run a filter for any email with a certain string in the title |
| 06:23.02 | Bangers | and delete it if it matches |
| 06:23.11 | mith | exobyte: just paste the poutput of plain old lspci leaving out any motherboard stuff (should say intel or via or whatever chipset you're using) |
| 06:23.15 | mwilson | Bangers: Delete the title if it matches? |
| 06:23.23 | mith | Bangers: man procmailrc |
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| 06:23.39 | exobyte | mith: one sec |
| 06:23.44 | sladegen | Bangers: man procmail and > /dev/null |
| 06:23.52 | exobyte | mith: the system isn't currently on the internet |
| 06:24.18 | mith | sladegen: man procmailrc is much more helpful. |
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| 06:25.09 | sladegen | duh... i havent looked on it ever since i set up mine dotfile |
| 06:25.20 | mwilson | I would REALLY like to see Debian build SANE support for gimp1.3... |
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| 06:25.41 | helix | mwilson: what are you scanning? :) |
| 06:26.09 | Csan | mwilson: apt-cache search sane | grep -i gimp |
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| 06:26.37 | isga | hi |
| 06:26.42 | bztunk | isga: hi2u |
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| 06:27.02 | sladegen | Bangers: but better start off with > plain file 1st ;)) |
| 06:27.05 | exobyte_ | mith: you there: |
| 06:27.08 | mith | exobyte: wow you take a long time to type |
| 06:27.33 | bztunk | exobyte_: so you box that didn't have libc6 is correct now? haha |
| 06:27.44 | exobyte_ | mith: damn. I forgot to put the modem back in. brb |
| 06:28.01 | exobyte_ | bztunk: well- I got samba back, sshd back, and the other essential stuff |
| 06:28.02 | bztunk | *your |
| 06:28.11 | bztunk | exobyte_: hehe ok |
| 06:28.13 | exobyte_ | just take to exobyte |
| 06:28.15 | exobyte_ | *talk |
| 06:29.03 | isga | Some daemons are crashed, so they cames an input output error pid How can i fix this? kill -HUp wan work |
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| 06:29.34 | kjm | happy new year everyone |
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| 06:29.55 | dma | hi |
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| 06:30.02 | Bangers | How do you delete an email in .procmailrc ? |
| 06:30.17 | deadcat | Bangers: /dev/null ? |
| 06:30.34 | mwilson | Csan: Thank you, I'm not a moron. |
| 06:30.37 | kjm | Bangers: Why are you worrying about that kind of shit on new years? |
| 06:30.38 | Bangers | so after ^ Subject:.*something |
| 06:30.46 | Bangers | /dev/null |
| 06:30.52 | mwilson | Csan: You will note that I said "gimp1.3" |
| 06:30.53 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:31.11 | Bangers | kjm, I assume same reason why your in a #debian chat room on new years |
| 06:31.21 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:31.24 | Bangers | plus new years is almost over here in Aus, like 5pm |
| 06:31.32 | sladegen | mwilson: badger its maintainers??? |
| 06:31.41 | kjm | Bangers: It is long past new years where I am |
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| 06:31.58 | Csan | mwilson: nobody mentioned you were a moron |
| 06:32.01 | Csan | did I? |
| 06:32.06 | kjm | Bangers: well then, I am an asshole......... |
| 06:33.19 | sladegen | mwilson: is known for his low esteem ;) |
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| 06:38.38 | bztunk | dpkg: moron |
| 06:38.38 | dpkg | [moron] mwilson |
| 06:38.41 | bztunk | mwilson: see? |
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| 06:39.08 | mith | dpkg: forget moron |
| 06:39.09 | dpkg | mith: i forgot moron |
| 06:39.35 | bztunk | mith: bah :( |
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| 06:39.49 | mwilson | Hrm, Ok, there are unofficial packages, the Packages.gz file is where it's supposed to be... whyinhell doesn't apt find it... |
| 06:40.04 | Mr_butler | Hello, a very very happy new year to all of you |
| 06:40.40 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: Thanks, happy new year for you ;o) |
| 06:40.53 | sladegen | and square eggs for easter to you too Mr_butler ;))) |
| 06:41.14 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; sladegen thanks |
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| 06:41.44 | exobyte_ | mist left? =( |
| 06:41.56 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: Sorry, but I speak a *little* of english ;| |
| 06:42.15 | Csan | mwilson: can you show me that unofficial apt line for sane-gimp-1.3? thanks |
| 06:42.23 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; you are from which country? |
| 06:42.31 | exobyte_ | Csan: remember my modem problem? |
| 06:42.37 | mwilson | Csan: Oh? You said it was packaged already. |
| 06:42.44 | mith | exobyte: you never said what lspci said |
| 06:43.04 | exobyte_ | mith: 1 sec |
| 06:43.12 | Csan | mwilson: and you said you are not a moron |
| 06:43.18 | Csan | remember? |
| 06:43.21 | exobyte_ | mith: I'm not seeing it |
| 06:43.31 | exobyte_ | mith: care to /join me in #flood? |
| 06:43.32 | mith | exobyte: tnhat's why you're pasting it. |
| 06:43.37 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: I'm from Cuba ;)))) |
| 06:43.41 | exobyte_ | heh |
| 06:43.53 | mith | exobyte: I refuse, you should be able to cipher out all the mother board shit and it should be under 4 lines |
| 06:43.59 | exobyte_ | ok |
| 06:44.00 | exobyte_ | fine |
| 06:44.04 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; Give my regards to Fidel Castro :) |
| 06:44.22 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: 'regards' ? :(( |
| 06:44.34 | mith | Meekerh9: he wants to have sex with fidel castro |
| 06:44.43 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; Why he is your Prez right? |
| 06:44.58 | Csan | mith :)) |
| 06:45.10 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: sorry, but I don't understand |
| 06:45.13 | exobyte_ | I have a host bridge, pci bridge, isa bridge, ide interface, another pci bridge?, ethernet, usb, vga, that's it |
| 06:45.14 | Meekerh9 | ;( |
| 06:45.31 | sladegen | Mr_butler: and stalin was super hero ;( think plz |
| 06:45.34 | Csan | Meekerh9 so why did you join us? |
| 06:45.59 | mwilson | Huh... that actually doesn't work too badly. |
| 06:46.02 | Csan | to let us know you know little English? ok thanks :) |
| 06:46.02 | mith | exobyte: then either the modem is broken, or the pci slot you put it in is broken |
| 06:46.15 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; Sorry for the misunderstanding... I know nothing of cuban politics |
| 06:46.19 | exobyte_ | mith: great |
| 06:46.21 | mith | exobyte: it's that simple |
| 06:46.35 | exobyte_ | mith: it can't be a bios issue? |
| 06:46.45 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: ;\ |
| 06:46.49 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; So u dont live in cuba ? |
| 06:47.10 | exobyte_ | mith: why are there 2 pci bridges? |
| 06:47.19 | mith | exobyte: doubtful. either way, it's the modem or the motherboard, throw the modem in another machine, if it doesn't show up there, it's the modem, if it does' it's the motherboard |
| 06:47.31 | mith | exobyte: because? ask the manufacturer. |
| 06:48.01 | exobyte_ | mith: it's a VERY cheap modem |
| 06:48.04 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: I ive in cuba |
| 06:48.12 | exobyte_ | canadian made |
| 06:48.12 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: live |
| 06:48.44 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; So why you hate your prez? |
| 06:48.45 | exobyte_ | Meekerh9: are cuban cigars really as good as they say they are? |
| 06:49.05 | mith | exobyte: if it doesn't show up on the pci bus, it's one of the 2 things I just told you, what the fuck is so hard to comprehend? test it in another fucking machine to find out which of the 2 and shut the fuck up |
| 06:49.11 | ecstatix | exobyte the best ones are said to be rolled on the thighs of virgins |
| 06:49.12 | Mr_butler | exobyte_; They are said to be the best. Take it from me |
| 06:49.18 | ecstatix | exobyte atleast in stories |
| 06:49.25 | exobyte_ | lol |
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| 06:49.40 | exobyte_ | mith: nothing's hard to comprehend- I |
| 06:49.50 | exobyte_ | mith: I just don't want to waste $$ |
| 06:50.04 | exobyte_ | now- where did I put that really old modem |
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| 06:50.08 | Mr_butler | ecstatix; thank goodness it is only the thighs. It would have been a problem if they rolled it else where ;) |
| 06:50.15 | mith | exobyte: that's why you're going to throw the damned modem in another box and see if it sees it on the pci bus ..... you suck at following instructions. |
| 06:50.30 | Meekerh9 | exobyte_: no entiendo nada, |
| 06:50.42 | mith | Meekerh9: chinga to madre |
| 06:50.45 | mith | s/to/tu/ |
| 06:51.31 | Meekerh9 | mith: que pinga es tu so gay ?????????????? me resingo en tu madre |
| 06:51.44 | mith | Meekerh9: magnifico |
| 06:51.57 | mith | Meekerh9: 'so gay' isn't spanish, by the way |
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| 06:52.12 | exobyte_ | mith: I'm trying to do too much at once |
| 06:52.41 | Meekerh9 | mith: si es espannol mijo ! |
| 06:52.41 | Meekerh9 | alabao... |
| 06:52.51 | mith | Meekerh9: nien |
| 06:53.23 | Meekerh9 | mith: m e ... r e s i n g o ... e n ... t u ... t i o ... |
| 06:54.13 | mith | Meekerh9: dudo eso |
| 06:54.30 | Mr_butler | Meekerh9; How did you celebrate your new year? |
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| 06:55.24 | Meekerh9 | Mr_butler: chao |
| 06:55.29 | Meekerh9 | veo que todos uds. son unos anormales .. |
| 06:55.32 | Meekerh9 | los pobres |
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| 06:55.44 | mith | Meekerh9: ahora, cerrado para arriba le cogida estzpida |
| 06:55.46 | mith | damn him |
| 06:55.57 | Csan | why? |
| 06:56.12 | mith | because he missed my l33t babelfish skillz |
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| 06:56.36 | Mr_butler | mith; What did he say? |
| 06:56.48 | mith | Mr_butler: I don't know |
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| 06:57.01 | mith | Mr_butler: his grammar was bad |
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| 06:57.16 | Mr_butler | mith; you mean his language? |
| 06:57.19 | mith | Mr_butler: and I haven't spoken spanish in over 4 years |
| 06:57.46 | Mr_butler | mith; So that was spanish? I thought he was from cuba |
| 06:57.55 | mith | Mr_butler: umm, they speak spanish in cuba |
| 06:57.59 | Csan | :))) |
| 06:58.01 | sladegen | you dont believe whois base ;?) |
| 06:58.09 | ecstatix | what else do they speak in cuba? esperanto? |
| 06:58.14 | Csan | :))) |
| 06:58.28 | dma | do i need the sr.o module to get my cd-rw drive working properly? |
| 06:58.36 | mith | well, cubans speak spanish, that guy didn't, but ya |
| 06:59.31 | Mr_butler | mith; ok :)))) |
| 06:59.55 | sladegen | mith: perhaps he was trying to spare you babelfish trouble? |
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| 07:00.37 | mith | sladegen: half of the words he was using wont go through babelfish, and only slang 'curse' words tend not to, keep that in mind ;) |
| 07:00.38 | cromd | greetings all |
| 07:00.44 | cromd | G'day troubled :) |
| 07:01.09 | sladegen | oh poor fihy then ;) |
| 07:01.14 | sladegen | fishy* |
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| 07:02.26 | ecstatix | <))><< |
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| 07:02.38 | mith | now, I'm going to do something I've not done in years |
| 07:02.44 | mith | go to bed sober on new years |
| 07:02.51 | iLLf8d | anyone know if there are any plans to port pf to linux? |
| 07:03.06 | mith | iLLf8d: google knows |
| 07:03.24 | ecstatix | what is pf? |
| 07:03.27 | bob2 | iLLf8d: I doubt it. |
| 07:03.33 | bob2 | PacketFilter |
| 07:03.35 | sladegen | why not just use BSD? |
| 07:03.39 | bob2 | the BSD firewalling code |
| 07:03.49 | bob2 | is that the Free one or the not-quite-Free one? |
| 07:04.36 | iLLf8d | hrm not sure its status |
| 07:04.58 | iLLf8d | I use it in obsd atm tho i've been considering going all debian for easy of system adminstration |
| 07:05.03 | cromd | does anybody know what i have to take into consideration with my existing iptable arrangment when adding a rule to forward traffic to another host that's coming in on a particular port? |
| 07:05.16 | iLLf8d | got deb on my workstations atm |
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| 07:05.32 | iLLf8d | don't like iptables tho |
| 07:05.40 | sladegen | iLLf8d: perheps port .deb pm to BSD :?) |
| 07:05.51 | ecstatix | why do you need iptables on all machines? |
| 07:06.40 | bob2 | don't use bare iptables then |
| 07:06.45 | iLLf8d | sladegen: I like most bsd's the way they are actually its more of a multisystem issue |
| 07:06.57 | bob2 | use shorewall or soemthing |
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| 07:07.28 | iLLf8d | sladegen: seems the various linux/bsds have their strong points and are well suited to different tasks altho i'm just getting lazy lately heh |
| 07:08.12 | mwilson | Well, gimp 1.3 + scanner is definately not ready for prime time |
| 07:08.16 | sladegen | iLLf8d: then try something easier like slackwares pm... guess i dont now shit about BSDs pm system beyond bare "its ports based compiled from sources" |
| 07:08.45 | mwilson | It is WAY too easy to get the scanner wedged. |
| 07:09.04 | sladegen | iLLf8d: are there strictly binary packages in BSDs? |
| 07:09.11 | exobyte_ | mith: well- one of the modems works. I'm going to try it in all my available pci slots |
| 07:09.22 | iLLf8d | my system administration is turning into a pita lately with all the kernel patches I need for different machines |
| 07:09.34 | Csan | mwilson: what canner do you have btw? |
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| 07:09.48 | Csan | canner=scanner |
| 07:09.50 | Csan | :) |
| 07:09.56 | iLLf8d | sladegen: you can get binaries or ports in those I run |
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| 07:11.07 | iLLf8d | sladegen: tho one of the bad points about them is the attitude you get from its users seems like theres a larger concentration of geeks who must've gotten picked on when growing up in the bsd circles |
| 07:11.25 | sladegen | iLLf8d: what i mean is after compiling port can you turn it into .tgz kinda like in slackware and install on other machines without compiling them there? |
| 07:11.56 | mwilson | Csan: HP ScanJet 4c |
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| 07:12.14 | iLLf8d | sladegen: not sure usually handle most of those boxes on a 1 to 1 situation |
| 07:12.17 | sladegen | iLLf8d: i heard bsders are more hardcore even than debianistas ;) |
| 07:12.21 | iLLf8d | only have about 8 machines in my house |
| 07:12.40 | Csan | mwilson ok thanks... do you happen to possess a ccd845.fw firmware file by any chance? |
| 07:12.42 | iLLf8d | they're meaner if thats what you mean |
| 07:12.44 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 07:12.58 | Recoil` | csan |
| 07:13.00 | mwilson | Csan: Do I get to guess what that's for, or will you be bothering to tell someone? |
| 07:13.22 | Csan | mwilson: it's for Genous ColorPage and compatible |
| 07:13.28 | mith | mwilson: judging by his previous moronic statements, I'm going to go with secret option c) he made it up |
| 07:13.29 | beta3 | mwilson: don't be an asshole its New Years |
| 07:13.29 | Csan | *Genius |
| 07:13.33 | Recoil` | can u help me w/ my usb mouse i got my laptop now so i can work on it |
| 07:13.49 | Csan | well mwilson is not a moron and I'm not an asshole |
| 07:13.50 | Csan | :) |
| 07:13.57 | mwilson | ew, Genius scanners. |
| 07:14.08 | mwilson | They still sell that crap? |
| 07:14.09 | mith | Csan: right, mwilson is an asshole and you're a moron, we know |
| 07:14.16 | sandman | Have I mentioned lately that #gentoo is a sad channel to be in? I can see why they have gentoo-dev. They don't kick or ban for swearing, or anything that would be offensive. They just say "stop it", and never do anything else. |
| 07:14.25 | sandman | Holy wow, I can cut the testosterone in here with a knife. |
| 07:14.38 | mith | sandman: oh shut the fuck up |
| 07:14.43 | Csan | I'm trying to add support for vivid 4xe but I need the firmware file... I already modified and rebuilt sources (sane-backend) |
| 07:14.45 | sandman | mith: =) |
| 07:14.47 | beta3 | mwilson: is yours newer or older than my 3300C |
| 07:15.09 | FsckIt | sandman: you say that like it's a bad thing :-) |
| 07:15.09 | mwilson | beta3: This one's other name is a 6300. |
| 07:15.12 | Csan | mwilson: yes the do and quite cheap |
| 07:15.27 | mwilson | beta3: Not that HP's numbering system has any relationship to age of the device. |
| 07:15.42 | Recoil` | how can i make it so x doesnt start when i start linux? |
| 07:15.48 | FsckIt | mwilson: or to anything sane whatsoever, actually... |
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| 07:15.56 | FsckIt | Recoil`: apt-get remove xdm |
| 07:15.58 | mwilson | Recoil`: Remove the display manager you installed. |
| 07:16.11 | Recoil` | k |
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| 07:16.23 | mwilson | beta3: This one is legal-size, SCSI2. |
| 07:16.23 | Vilhelmo | or, rm /etc/rc*.d/*dm |
| 07:16.30 | MattK10 | I'd rather the cointro than the triple sec |
| 07:16.31 | sladegen | thats very sound advice... you too "smths" |
| 07:16.57 | mwilson | gimp 1.3 is having a REAL problem with blue. |
| 07:16.59 | sladegen | s/too/two/ |
| 07:17.07 | beta3 | mwilson: ahh nice, I haven't touched mine in 5 years |
| 07:17.08 | mwilson | As in the scanned image is way, too. :) |
| 07:17.32 | FsckIt | mwilson: who needs blue? |
| 07:17.38 | mwilson | gimp 1.2 or plain ol' xscanimage gets the image right. |
| 07:17.40 | Recoil` | i just removed xdm, and its asking which display maneger i want to use (gdm, kdm) |
| 07:18.00 | FsckIt | mwilson: you make it sound like you want *all* the colors to work... pshaw! |
| 07:18.02 | mith | Recoil`: remove gdm and kdm too |
| 07:18.06 | Csan | :) |
| 07:18.09 | Recoil` | k |
| 07:18.21 | openlurker | Hey, I made some progress. Had to turn off the framebuffer for the video card... |
| 07:18.21 | mith | Recoil`: apt-get remove --purge xdm kdm gdm |
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| 07:18.36 | mwilson | FsckIt: It's not that I need it, it's that there's too much of it. :) I was scanning a comic book cover which admittedly is way blue, but even flesh tones are coming out with this blue tinge that isn't there in gimp 1.2 |
| 07:18.41 | Mr_butler | mwilson; I have had problems printing in Gimp |
| 07:18.53 | mwilson | Mr_butler: I never print with Gimp. |
| 07:18.57 | openlurker | Now X starts and the mouse works, but the video sizes are still crap, and sound doesn't work. |
| 07:19.57 | openlurker | What is the typical way to install the sound system? |
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| 07:20.22 | Recoil` | whenever i do lsusb to look for my mouse, it just says thers /proc/bus/usb, even though i have instaled hotplug, usbmgr, and usbutils |
| 07:20.36 | Recoil` | i mean it says there is no /proc/bus/usb |
| 07:20.44 | FsckIt | mwilson: oh, ok |
| 07:21.32 | mwilson | openlurker: Define "the sound system". |
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| 07:21.45 | helix | "the thing i play metallica on!11" |
| 07:21.57 | openlurker | Well, I'm not sure what is installed. KDE started and had an error on /dev/dsp. |
| 07:22.00 | Csan | Recoil: lsmod... does it mention mousedev? how about usbmouse? |
| 07:22.28 | Mr_butler | mwilson; So how do you print a picture? |
| 07:22.35 | Recoil` | csan: niether |
| 07:22.41 | Csan | openlurker: try disabling arts daemon in kde? |
| 07:22.52 | Csan | Recoil: pleaase modprobe them |
| 07:22.53 | smj | Hi everyone! Happy New Year!!! |
| 07:23.00 | helix | smj: same to you :) |
| 07:23.09 | openlurker | Csan, I'm new to this, can you take that a little slower? |
| 07:23.12 | mwilson | Mr_butler: I seldom need to. When I do, that's what xv is for. |
| 07:23.19 | Csan | openlurker: no sorry :) |
| 07:23.35 | bucky | happy new year smj |
| 07:23.50 | Recoil` | csan: if u mean 'modprobe usbmouse' it said can't locate module |
| 07:24.03 | Recoil` | same thing for mousedev |
| 07:24.35 | Csan | time to add them to your kernel config? or maybe you bilt them in? |
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| 07:24.39 | smj | Welp, I've finally got a fully functional Debian workstation. Woody is awesome! Thanks to the folks who made the backports suggestions. |
| 07:24.42 | Csan | *built |
| 07:24.58 | Recoil` | how exactly do i do that? |
| 07:25.07 | Csan | smj: if you can, try Sarge and help stabilizing it |
| 07:25.26 | Csan | Recoil: what does `uname -r` say? |
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| 07:25.43 | Recoil` | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 07:25.51 | openlurker | So why would /dev/dsp not exist? |
| 07:26.19 | smj | Csan: I think I've already... prevented myself from choosing that route. I've installed the KDE3 debs from KDE's site. I'm a KDE nut. |
| 07:26.25 | Csan | Recoil: whoa that's old |
| 07:27.02 | Recoil` | csan: 2.2.20 is that my kernel version? |
| 07:27.08 | Csan | yes |
| 07:27.24 | bob2 | openlurker: because your kernel doesn't have a driver for your soundcard |
| 07:27.28 | Csan | is this a fresh install? |
| 07:27.31 | Recoil` | this was from a clean install from the new debian iso's |
| 07:27.39 | Recoil` | 30r2 |
| 07:28.09 | openlurker | bob2, I'm using a stock Debian kernel, would it be available as a module? |
| 07:28.12 | Csan | ok when installing, put "bf24" at the boot: prompt instead of pressing Enter right away |
| 07:28.22 | bob2 | openlurker: depends what you meanby stock. |
| 07:28.28 | bob2 | openlurker: 2.2.20-idepci, no. |
| 07:28.33 | bob2 | openlurker: /msgd dpkg real kernel |
| 07:28.50 | Recoil` | csan so i should reinstall? |
| 07:29.14 | openlurker | bob2, is that a command line, or what? |
| 07:29.53 | bob2 | openlurker: the bot then explains what to do |
| 07:30.02 | openlurker | ah, ok. |
| 07:30.46 | Csan | Recoil: if not a big problem, yes |
| 07:30.48 | Recoil` | csan: what about the warning title about 2.4 kernels? |
| 07:30.59 | Csan | that's why I aksed if it's a fresh install *but* |
| 07:31.21 | Csan | you could also just upgrade the kernel. If you are a newcomer, reinstall is better for you |
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| 07:31.32 | Csan | "warning title"? |
| 07:31.43 | Jawoota | Recoil`: there was a major local root exploit in all 2.4 kernels before 2.4.23 |
| 07:31.59 | openlurker | I am on 2.2.20-idepci |
| 07:31.59 | Recoil` | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.09 | Recoil` | thats in the title |
| 07:32.13 | Jawoota | Recoil`: click the link ;) |
| 07:32.13 | Recoil` | sorry for caps |
| 07:32.39 | Csan | Recoil: so after installing with 2.4, use some security apt repos to upgrade your 2.4 |
| 07:33.03 | Jawoota | it's not exactly dangerous if no one else has access to your system, but it'd not be wise to not upgrade |
| 07:33.27 | Recoil` | cant i upgrade to 2.4.23 from 2.2.20? |
| 07:33.32 | Jawoota | Recoil`: sure you can. |
| 07:33.35 | Jawoota | Recoil`: use apt. |
| 07:34.06 | Jawoota | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23 |
| 07:34.11 | Jawoota | (is one option) |
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| 07:34.43 | Recoil` | and the other? |
| 07:34.53 | Jawoota | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.23* for all of your options |
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| 07:35.12 | mwilson | hmmmm |
| 07:35.19 | Recoil` | i remember there being a lot of 2.4.23 kernels in dselect |
| 07:35.34 | Jawoota | Recoil`: indeed, there are. |
| 07:35.47 | Jawoota | Recoil`: kernel-image-2.4.23 is always a safe choice ;) |
| 07:36.15 | Csan | ah 2.4.23 already packaged... :) |
| 07:36.16 | Recoil` | and the others are specified to proccecers? |
| 07:36.32 | Jawoota | Recoil`: yes, and some others include different patches, et cetera |
| 07:37.05 | Recoil` | i just did apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23 and it said couldndt find the package |
| 07:37.12 | Recoil` | but i did see a lot of them in dselect |
| 07:37.37 | can | where do i change my default terminal? |
| 07:38.18 | bucky | Recoil`: apt-cache search kernel-image and pick one |
| 07:38.35 | Jawoota | Recoil`: oh, nevermind (my fault).... kernel-image-2.4.23 is the name of my *own* package |
| 07:39.08 | Jawoota | Recoil`: you can look through dselect for another image, or 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.23' as bucky said |
| 07:40.06 | Jawoota | kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 << that would be a good choice if you had a 686 |
| 07:40.13 | openlurker | "You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image..." WTF is initrd? |
| 07:40.41 | Csan | it is an image contaning modules and scripts for loading them on boot |
| 07:41.02 | Jawoota | openlurker: just read it, it'll tell you to append something to lilo.conf |
| 07:41.07 | Recoil` | i have kernel 2.4.18, but no higher |
| 07:41.20 | openlurker | Ok, but do I need to to that on a new system, or can I just ignore it? |
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| 07:41.39 | bucky | Recoil`: it's best to get one from here as previously pointed out |
| 07:41.42 | bucky | http://xrl.us/66p |
| 07:42.02 | bucky | 2.4.18-1 is good |
| 07:42.04 | Csan | openlurker: if it is a debian official kernel-image, then yes you need an initrd |
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| 07:42.40 | openlurker | ok |
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| 07:43.06 | Csan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.01 | mhall | Hey, does anybody with some enterprise experience have tips on 15GB DLT tape drives? |
| 07:44.32 | mhall | I am sick and tired of the possibility of my data disappearing, and I found out I can buy a tape drive off EBay for $40 USD> |
| 07:44.38 | exobyte | mith: u home? |
| 07:44.48 | mhall | I think I should buy it so I don't have to worry about my data going POOF! |
| 07:45.07 | Recoil` | hd's crash on you that often? |
| 07:45.26 | mhall | Recoil`: If I can get a tape drive for $40 why should I fuck around? |
| 07:45.51 | Csan | mhall: consider buying a cheaper videocam with firewire support... it is mucmuch faster than a DAT drive |
| 07:45.53 | mhall | Recoil`: I could instantly restore everything, lock the tapes in a fireproof safe from WalMart for $20, and never have to worry. |
| 07:46.01 | Csan | and it's 12G |
| 07:46.10 | mhall | Csan: I have a video camera already. |
| 07:46.19 | mhall | Csan: I did not know I could use it to do backups. |
| 07:46.21 | Csan | well, you're in Heaven |
| 07:46.29 | mhall | Csan: that's fucking awesome |
| 07:46.31 | Recoil` | brb, i gtg celebrate new years |
| 07:46.32 | Csan | :) ok, I;ll show you some URL |
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| 07:46.37 | mhall | Csan: Will it work in windows too? |
| 07:46.44 | exobyte | mith: anyway- if you get this, the modem is confirmed to at least be detected by windoze. I put in in a confirmed working pci slot and it still fails |
| 07:46.47 | mhall | Csan: if it works in both i am a lucky bastard |
| 07:46.51 | Csan | I have no clue, mhall |
| 07:47.02 | Csan | I haven't used iwndows in 4 years |
| 07:47.07 | Csan | windblows |
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| 07:47.50 | Tchiak | hello |
| 07:48.10 | Tchiak | I have an ESS sound chip on my motherboard, but linux doesn't seem to see it |
| 07:48.18 | Tchiak | how can i get sound on my computer |
| 07:48.22 | Tchiak | ? |
| 07:48.38 | Tchiak | and it doesn't show up on lspci |
| 07:48.48 | Matthew_I | my plucker-bulid is having trouble parsing images |
| 07:48.50 | Matthew_I | any ideas |
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| 07:49.21 | cybertek | anyone know where i can find XFree86 4 .deb ? |
| 07:49.29 | Yen | Tchiak: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php3?vendor=vendor-ESS_Technology#matrix |
| 07:50.13 | Matthew_I | cybertek: expirmental |
| 07:50.20 | Matthew_I | cybertek: if I could spell it |
| 07:50.40 | MattK10 | when I do a startX I get the warning: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance....found Symbol drmGetClient from modules ....radeon_drv.o is unresolved! anybody else have this probem? |
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| 07:52.08 | mhall | How can you get bash to quote filenames it passes to a command in a for loop instead of backslashing them? |
| 07:52.54 | int0x6h | Hi, I havent used debian in a year or so and was wondering where I can check to make sure my hardware will be compatable before I start to load debian. I want to use it as a desktop so what release would I use? and does http://lhd.zdnet.com still exist and will it be okay for finding if my hardware is supported? |
| 07:53.15 | Matthew_I | never mind I fixed my plucker prob |
| 07:53.28 | Matthew_I | int0x6h: linuxcompatible.org |
| 07:53.43 | Matthew_I | int0x6h: you would use sarge/sid for a desktop |
| 07:54.02 | Matthew_I | int0x6h: and unless you use something exotic your hardware will be supported |
| 07:54.05 | Csan | mhall http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbackup/ |
| 07:54.16 | Tchiak | Yen: that sight didn't list my ess chip mine is ESS 1869 |
| 07:55.10 | int0x6h | Matthew_I: I got a msi gf3 ti 500 and a realtek 8139 nic, with a p4 1.5ghz cpu & 512mb of ram. cpu is at 1.67ghz and memory is at 144mhz |
| 07:55.25 | int0x6h | all stable |
| 07:55.54 | Csan | Tchiak: ES18xx |
| 07:55.57 | Csan | it is supported |
| 07:56.12 | openlurker | Okay, I installed a newer kernel, and now Gnome comes up, not KDE. My ethernet card went bye-bye, and I'm still not sure about the sound. |
| 07:56.25 | Tchiak | Csan: I'm trying to figure out how to get it to run though |
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| 07:56.54 | Csan | Tchiak: install the alsa-modules package for your cpu |
| 07:57.09 | Csan | and alsaconf, then you should be set |
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| 07:57.16 | bob2 | openlurker: the gnome change has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 07:57.23 | bob2 | openlurker: you need to load the sound and network modules |
| 07:57.38 | openlurker | bob2, why did Gnome take over? |
| 07:57.54 | int0x6h | where could I look up how to partition my drive space properly cuz i only have a 20 gig cuz i'm going to give 10 gigs to each |
| 07:57.56 | bob2 | openlurker: no idea, but it wasn't your kernel. |
| 07:58.16 | openlurker | Ok, Gnome is fine for now. |
| 07:58.26 | openlurker | How do I load the modules? |
| 07:58.32 | METRON9 | can someone help me with updateing my KDE version 2.2.2 on debian 3.0 using apt |
| 07:58.39 | bob2 | METRON9: no |
| 07:58.45 | bob2 | openlurker: modprobe <modulename> |
| 07:58.48 | bob2 | METRON9: #debian-kde |
| 07:58.50 | Tchiak | Csan: so just run the alsaconf under xwin? |
| 07:58.55 | Tchiak | i use gnome |
| 07:59.00 | METRON9 | thanks |
| 07:59.16 | Csan | openlurker: install discover if you can |
| 07:59.21 | Tchiak | though i still can't figure out how to mount my windows XP drive to debian |
| 07:59.27 | openlurker | csan: discover? |
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| 07:59.34 | Csan | Tchiak: X not necessary |
| 07:59.39 | karsten | Wed Dec 31 23:59:38 PST 2003 |
| 07:59.43 | Tchiak | i can reach the debian drive with my windows machine |
| 08:00.02 | sladegen | Tchiak: dont do it your comp will explode... really Bill made sure of it |
| 08:00.10 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 08:00.15 | Tchiak | riiiight |
| 08:00.39 | exobyte | later 2003 |
| 08:00.41 | int0x6h | i'm looking in the sarge folder on a mirror and i'm not seeing the similar files i used to network install my old potato system (drivers-(1-4).bin, root.bin, rescue.bin) am I just missing it or do I need different files? |
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| 08:01.13 | Csan | intx6h: they're now under 'pool' dir |
| 08:01.47 | int0x6h | Csan: do you have a link, i cant find it |
| 08:02.18 | Csan | it's near dists dir in the repo you are looking at |
| 08:02.20 | karsten | Happy fucking new year, silly valley. |
| 08:02.33 | bucky | happy new year |
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| 08:03.10 | int0x6h | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 08:03.27 | Csan | 'near' is not 'under', is it? |
| 08:03.39 | int0x6h | what |
| 08:03.42 | blooe | is there a way to send mail that is already in maildir's through spamassassin? Or for that matter, though maildrop? (something went wrong in the initial sorting) |
| 08:03.46 | openlurker | damn, can't get packages without my ethernet card... |
| 08:03.55 | int0x6h | i think csan is just an alter ego of the riddler! |
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| 08:04.10 | Tchiak | i wonder which of the modules is my computer :P |
| 08:04.41 | int0x6h | is this it. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 08:04.47 | sladegen | int0x6h: and did you ever had that feeling that you knew how to get somewhere tho you didnt have exact adress???? |
| 08:05.09 | Recoil` | woot happy new year |
| 08:05.21 | int0x6h | woot? ROFL!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 08:05.40 | Csan | Csan> it's near dists dir in the repo you are looking at |
| 08:06.17 | sladegen | pool is the keyword |
| 08:06.25 | int0x6h | so what files do i need? just netboot? |
| 08:06.25 | Csan | <Csan> intx6h: they're now under 'pool' dir |
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| 08:06.39 | int0x6h | i dont see any pool dir |
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| 08:06.42 | Madkiss | hi folks |
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| 08:07.03 | bob2 | hey Madkiss |
| 08:07.13 | Csan | int: can't see it where? |
| 08:07.16 | Madkiss | I am actually having difficulties with my ynaptics touchpad |
| 08:07.22 | Madkiss | I am using that special XFree86 touchpad driver |
| 08:07.25 | int0x6h | csan: are you talking about this? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
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| 08:07.33 | Csan | that's a BINGO |
| 08:07.43 | int0x6h | cuz i dont see any images for installing sarge there |
| 08:07.50 | Madkiss | and suddenly, the function to use the touchpad as left-mouse-button by simply touching it shortly stopped to work |
| 08:08.28 | int0x6h | ..... welll? |
| 08:08.39 | Csan | ah install images... really, you were asking for root/boot.bin. Ah, it's early and I haven't slept so I'll leave you now |
| 08:08.50 | Madkiss | and I would like to know how to re-enable that function. ;) |
| 08:09.01 | int0x6h | thats not what i asked for. try opening your EYES next time before you start talking |
| 08:09.09 | plush-dally | hey, could someone help me out with downloading experimental packages? |
| 08:09.30 | bob2 | plush-dally: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 08:09.39 | bob2 | Madkiss: maybe #xfree86 would know more... |
| 08:09.44 | bob2 | Madkiss: or beat branden. |
| 08:10.09 | Madkiss | Beating Branden is like putting your head in front of a H&K MP5 and pulling the trigger ;) |
| 08:10.21 | plush-dally | bob2: thanks :) |
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| 08:11.08 | xerophyte | I have strange problem my server load average is not going bellow 1.0 does anybody know why |
| 08:11.15 | xerophyte | load average: 1.27, 1.10, 1.03 |
| 08:11.47 | xerophyte | i have killed all the main process and still showing me load aveage is 1.00 and up |
| 08:11.57 | xerophyte | does anybody knwo why is always shows 1.00 and up |
| 08:12.50 | Tchiak | Csan: I installed the alsa module 586 but it says the alsa driver not installed |
| 08:12.56 | Tchiak | when i try to set it up |
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| 08:14.10 | paulproteuss | What package should I use to have my server update its time against Internet time servers with some frequency? |
| 08:14.20 | bztunk | paulproteuss: ntp? |
| 08:14.30 | paulproteuss | Isn't that the NTP server? |
| 08:14.31 | bob2 | or chrony |
| 08:14.35 | bob2 | chrony is 31337er. |
| 08:14.38 | bztunk | paulproteuss: there's a client |
| 08:14.41 | bob2 | plush-dally: ntp-simple |
| 08:14.44 | bztunk | ~info chrony |
| 08:14.52 | bob2 | plush-dally: most of the ntp package things are servers and clients |
| 08:14.57 | bztunk | how is it l33t? |
| 08:15.02 | Recoil` | what does this mean "add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf" |
| 08:15.10 | bob2 | sladegen: they just talk too softly for you to hear. |
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| 08:15.29 | bob2 | Recoil`: exactly what it says. edit /etc/lilo.conf and add that line below the image=/vmlinuz line |
| 08:15.40 | bztunk | bob2: why is it l33t? |
| 08:15.49 | sladegen | bob2: make them speak harder pretty plz |
| 08:16.05 | bob2 | bztunk: maybe you're too l4m3 to appreciate it ;-) |
| 08:16.13 | bztunk | bob2: hhahaha |
| 08:16.17 | biohazrd | I am getting a lot of " ATTACK-RESPONSES 403 Forbidden" in my snort logs.. and the rule set says that most like this type of response is not a false positive. Any suggestions on what to look for? |
| 08:17.02 | paulproteuss | Oooh, bob2, chrony is automagical. |
| 08:18.07 | Recoil` | bob2: when i 'edit lilo.conf' it says no edit mailcap rules for type 'application/*' |
| 08:18.18 | caphuso | hehe |
| 08:18.40 | bob2 | can you crack md5 first? |
| 08:18.44 | bob2 | Recoil`: use an editor. |
| 08:18.49 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.57 | Recoil` | vi? |
| 08:19.26 | streuner | caphuso: Happy New Year |
| 08:19.26 | bob2 | do you know how to use vi? |
| 08:19.38 | stillbourne | haatyp nwe rtio alrle googds noitght |
| 08:19.40 | arauko | my X crashes with this error = (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 08:19.40 | arauko | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 08:19.40 | arauko | (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI |
| 08:19.42 | caphuso | streuner: it doesn't feel "happy" right now :-P |
| 08:19.44 | arauko | usng i815 |
| 08:19.45 | Recoil` | not exactly |
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| 08:19.56 | paulproteuss | bob2, chrony rocks. Thank you. :) |
| 08:19.59 | Tchiak | hmmm |
| 08:19.59 | streuner | caphuso: you are not the only one ;-) |
| 08:20.00 | holycow | who here just recently created a bootsplash set of packages/project? |
| 08:20.06 | holycow | damn i lost the linkage |
| 08:20.07 | bob2 | paulproteuss: np |
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| 08:20.21 | Tchiak | i'm still fighting to get this ESS sound chip to work |
| 08:20.32 | bob2 | Tchiak: what does "uname -r" print out? |
| 08:21.01 | Tchiak | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 08:21.02 | xerophyte | does anybody know how does the load always stays at 1.0 and above .. when top does not show all the process running is 0.0 |
| 08:21.02 | paulproteuss | Tchiak, what ESS sound chip? |
| 08:21.09 | int0x6h | will built in sound on my p4 titan motherboard work? |
| 08:21.12 | paulproteuss | (And are you planning on using ALSA?) |
| 08:21.17 | Tchiak | ess 1869 |
| 08:21.18 | Tchiak | f |
| 08:21.23 | bob2 | Tchiak: /msg dpkg real kernel |
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| 08:21.27 | paulproteuss | I think I used to have one of those. |
| 08:21.29 | Tchiak | tried alsa says it can't find it |
| 08:21.39 | bob2 | int0x6h: what chipset is it? |
| 08:21.40 | Tchiak | bob2 that is my real kernel |
| 08:21.43 | bob2 | Tchiak: that kernel is creap. |
| 08:21.50 | bob2 | Tchiak: no it's not, idepci doesn't include ANY sound drivers. |
| 08:22.01 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 08:22.02 | bob2 | xerophyte: 1.0 means something is always tryting to run |
| 08:22.08 | Tchiak | how do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 08:22.18 | xerophyte | bob2 how can i find out |
| 08:22.23 | caphuso | xerophyte: do you have a process stuck in D state? |
| 08:22.29 | bob2 | Tchiak: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 08:22.32 | bob2 | Tchiak: that explains it. |
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| 08:23.14 | int0x6h | bob2: it says intel 82801ba/bam ac'97 audio controller |
| 08:23.42 | xerophyte | caphuso i did ps auxwe i dont find any process withs state D |
| 08:23.54 | bob2 | int0x6h: www.alsa-project.org, check their "sund card compatibiltiy matrix" |
| 08:24.18 | int0x6h | is there anything i should know first time going to install sarge as my desktop. using floppy image and boot image ( i think my nic is supported in the few on this image its common) |
| 08:24.23 | caphuso | bob2: let me guess, you're not too sober either |
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| 08:24.39 | Madkiss | ha |
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| 08:24.41 | Madkiss | strike |
| 08:24.48 | Madkiss | tuning XF86Config-4 a bit more made it work again |
| 08:25.02 | bob2 | caphuso: sobering up now. got home at 5am, was still drunk when I woke up at 1pm |
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| 08:25.10 | Tchiak | ok i installed the new kernel shoudl i reboot now? |
| 08:25.13 | bob2 | hangover-- |
| 08:25.15 | bob2 | Tchiak: yes |
| 08:25.23 | Tchiak | reboot |
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| 08:25.33 | bob2 | rebooting! |
| 08:25.59 | helix | we didn't get to !bless him |
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| 08:26.13 | Recoil` | what does that do... |
| 08:26.17 | Recoil` | do i wanna know? |
| 08:26.22 | sladegen | perhaps should have lilod him... |
| 08:26.25 | helix | !bless Recoil` |
| 08:26.27 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child Recoil`, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:26.29 | caphuso | bob2: got home at 9:10 or so, still waiting for the waking up somewhere pm-ish part :) |
| 08:26.36 | Recoil` | ... |
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| 08:26.49 | Recoil` | i dont nead a bot to tell me that |
| 08:27.07 | xerophyte | caphuso top shows me 84 processes: 82 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped how can i see ..what are the 2 running process |
| 08:27.09 | Tchiak | ummmm bob2: What does this mean? "kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 |
| 08:27.11 | Tchiak | ? |
| 08:27.22 | bob2 | caphuso: hahaha |
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| 08:28.44 | caphuso | xerophyte: do you see any processes in R state? |
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| 08:29.21 | xerophyte | caphuso nope expect ps auxew |
| 08:29.23 | int0x6h | is there anyway to install debian with no media? i dont have any floppies or a cd-burner. lol |
| 08:29.39 | mosty | int0x6h: you can install from a vfat partition |
| 08:29.49 | cromd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.51 | bob2 | or netboot |
| 08:29.53 | Orlino | int0x6h: u can do a net install too |
| 08:29.55 | sladegen | why not just tell them all to install mandrake ... their developers would be so much happier/better off.... or even damn/stupid/lame/unstable gentoo.... then when they finally enter stage 4-5 of the linux freakishnes let them come back to debian and be enlightened??? .... just a thought (TM) |
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| 08:30.02 | arauko | sometimes X crashes with this error = (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 08:30.02 | arauko | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 08:30.02 | arauko | (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI., im using i815 |
| 08:30.13 | bob2 | sladegen: that's what I do. |
| 08:30.15 | mosty | cromd: the first rule that matches a packet is applied. so make sure it's early enough in the table |
| 08:30.16 | int0x6h | does netboot need special hardware? |
| 08:30.23 | exobyte | bob2: any ideas why a pci modem would not work in any of 3 pci slots, even though the modem is detected by windoze (on another computer) and one of the pci slots is confirmed working? the modem doesn't even show up in lspci |
| 08:30.24 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:30.30 | caphuso | xerophyte: i somewhat doubt that. at least ps should be running if you run "ps auxew"... |
| 08:30.38 | bob2 | exobyte: no idea |
| 08:30.39 | Tchiak | exobyte might be a win modem |
| 08:30.48 | bob2 | exobyte: if I had a winmodem, I'd just assume it would never work |
| 08:30.55 | cromd | thanks for that mostly, is it possible to put it "too" early on in the table? |
| 08:31.10 | Tchiak | 2.2 rev 7 is that a good ISO for me to download and install? |
| 08:31.15 | exobyte | Tchiak: it is a winmodem, but why wouldn't it even show up in lspci |
| 08:31.17 | caphuso | Tchiak: no |
| 08:31.25 | bob2 | Tchiak: that's very very old |
| 08:31.30 | mosty | cromd: no, not unless you mangle packets or something |
| 08:31.31 | int0x6h | i cant find that netboot |
| 08:31.42 | bob2 | int0x6h: netboot needs a boot rom. tftp may not |
| 08:31.52 | xerophyte | caphuso yup thats only one is running |
| 08:31.53 | Tchiak | well bob2 after i upgraded the kernel my kernel went into a panic on reboot |
| 08:31.55 | exobyte | bob2: I'm thinking about getting a new one or using my usr external |
| 08:32.05 | int0x6h | ~tell me about netboot |
| 08:32.15 | bob2 | Tchiak: did you rerun lilo? |
| 08:32.17 | mosty | exobyte: external serial modems are too good not to use |
| 08:32.18 | xerophyte | caphuso others are S and SW and nothing R other than ps auxew |
| 08:32.24 | caphuso | xerophyte: that basically means that nothing's wrong with the number of running processes |
| 08:32.34 | Tchiak | yes |
| 08:32.45 | exobyte | mosty: so /me is off to get a new, internal, hardware modem |
| 08:32.47 | Tchiak | i followed tje prompts |
| 08:32.52 | cromd | allright mostly, now i don't understand any of the iptables bits i've allready got, they were mostly put their when i installed other packages like ipmasq, dnsmasq and bind9 (i think), anyway, would it be obvious in the rules listing if mangling is involved? |
| 08:33.06 | xerophyte | caphuso why do i have load is always 1.0 |
| 08:33.07 | return0 | I've had a look at the Debian Installer, but I can't seem to find how to edit my system to I make it install/upgrade to unstable. What am i looking for? |
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| 08:33.15 | return0 | s/installer/documentation |
| 08:33.17 | caphuso | xerophyte: don't know |
| 08:33.25 | blooe | hey, what's considered the best spam filter? And is there any difference between all the bayesian filters? How does spamassassin's bayesian component compare to the others? |
| 08:33.48 | Tchiak | which is the best ISO to download? |
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| 08:34.08 | return0 | Tchiak, for what? |
| 08:34.08 | bob2 | return0: /msg dpkg stable->unstable |
| 08:34.17 | Tchiak | brand new install of debian |
| 08:34.19 | xerophyte | caphuso :( |
| 08:34.19 | bob2 | blooe: SA is sloooooow. |
| 08:34.23 | mosty | blooe: yes there is no single definition for a bayesian spam filter, it can be done many different ways |
| 08:34.24 | bob2 | blooe: but very effective. |
| 08:34.33 | sladegen | 3.0 r2 |
| 08:34.50 | return0 | bob2, thanks |
| 08:35.01 | holycow | i've heard good things about dspam |
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| 08:35.20 | Recoil` | does a file 'save' after i exit to os from vi? |
| 08:35.32 | mosty | i use spambayes because it offers an outlook plugin for my windows users |
| 08:35.34 | bob2 | Tchiak: I can't imagine how that could happen, unless you removed lines from your lilo.conf |
| 08:35.37 | chris____ | I added a drive to system, how to create rieser fs? |
| 08:35.45 | mosty | recoil, depends how you exit vi |
| 08:35.46 | caphuso | chris____: mkreiserfs |
| 08:35.47 | skermajo | Recoll: you have to exit with ':wq' to write the file |
| 08:35.52 | Tchiak | didn't touch |
| 08:35.54 | Recoil` | k ty |
| 08:35.55 | blooe | bob2: how are we (meaning us debian users) expected to choose which package to install? ie, if there's multiple programs that pretty much all do the same task, how are we supposed to find out which one's the best? |
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| 08:36.07 | bob2 | blooe: ask someone who's used them |
| 08:36.12 | bob2 | blooe: or try them yourself. |
| 08:36.13 | mosty | blooe, try them all? |
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| 08:36.27 | blooe | mosty: sure, but that's kinda long |
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| 08:36.50 | mosty | blooe, just pick the first you see, unless you desperately must have the absolute best |
| 08:36.56 | caphuso | blooe: hint: if there's a "best" tool for the job, then it's the only one |
| 08:37.10 | mosty | blooe: but even so, you will never know what the best is for you, unless you try them all |
| 08:37.29 | chris____ | mkreiserfs command not fowun. Do I need to install something? |
| 08:37.37 | holycow | which one is the easiest to setup configure? spamassasin? |
| 08:37.41 | blooe | bob2: mosty caphuso but wouldn't it be very practicle to have a website where users could rate the packages / make reviews? |
| 08:37.44 | caphuso | chris____: how about mkfs.reiserfs? |
| 08:37.46 | sladegen | chris____: apt-get reiserfsprogs and rtfm |
| 08:37.46 | CSWookie | Has anyone instaalled lm-sensors packagee and modded their kernel? I'm trying to do it for my dad, but make-kpkg doesn't seem to generate the proper modules. I've got a kernel source, i2c-source and lm-sensors-source. |
| 08:37.57 | bob2 | blooe: sure. freshmeat.net |
| 08:37.59 | caphuso | blooe: no |
| 08:38.11 | mosty | blooe: not really, user ratings are notoriously subjective |
| 08:38.18 | bob2 | CSWookie: you need the kernel headers, no the source. |
| 08:38.30 | mosty | blooe: maybe if the packages were rated by experts on the subject... |
| 08:38.43 | cybertek | Cool, thanks whoever helped me, unstable works fine! |
| 08:38.56 | bucky | Tchiak: get the bf2.4 set of floppies from this page and do a net install |
| 08:38.58 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
| 08:39.00 | mosty | cswookie: just patch the kernel source, and build them into the kernel |
| 08:39.04 | cromd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.29 | bucky | Tchiak: using that manual |
| 08:39.34 | mosty | cromd: i don't know what ipmasq and dnsmasq do, sorry |
| 08:39.46 | CSWookie | mosty: The site says that modules are the easier way... erg. |
| 08:39.47 | chris____ | i had to apt-get reiserfsprogs, command there now Thanks! |
| 08:40.03 | blooe | mosty: - well, I know that it would deffinitly save me a lot of time. Or at least have a good description for each package, that makes it clear what the differences are between packages that perform similar tasks. |
| 08:40.07 | bob2 | CSWookie: you need he headers. |
| 08:40.13 | bob2 | blooe: freshmeat does that right now. |
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| 08:40.16 | CSWookie | bob2: OK thanks. |
| 08:40.44 | cromd | mosty, no, it's not those packages i'm asking about, it's mangling ... if there's any mangling in my rules, will it "stick out"? |
| 08:40.48 | Recoil` | im duel booting winxp and linux and while updating my kernel to 2.4.18 its asking me if i want to install a boot block? |
| 08:40.53 | Recoil` | should i? |
| 08:40.53 | holycow | bloo and besides reviewing 12 000 packages is a fulltime job :) |
| 08:40.56 | blooe | bob2: I'll have a deeper look at it :) - I thought it was similar to sourceforge. |
| 08:41.02 | bob2 | blooe: nope. |
| 08:41.06 | Madkiss | bob2: Are you the poor 'end-user-support-on-new-year's-morning'-guy? ;-) |
| 08:41.08 | bob2 | Recoil`: depends how you do it. |
| 08:41.09 | xerophyte | cafuego sorry about it i found something 14 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.0 0.0 0:00 AARICH watchdog |
| 08:41.16 | Tchiak | hmmm |
| 08:41.21 | xerophyte | cafuego what is that |
| 08:41.23 | Tchiak | i don't have any floppy disks |
| 08:41.28 | bob2 | Recoil`: does lilo boot them both or do you use ntldr or whatever? |
| 08:41.40 | Recoil` | bob2: lilo boots them both |
| 08:41.49 | mosty | cswookie: well i disagree, i don't like modules |
| 08:41.50 | bob2 | Madkiss: it's 8pm, new years day, IRC eases my hangover :-) |
| 08:41.52 | bob2 | Recoil`: then let it. |
| 08:42.03 | CSWookie | boucman: Will that make it so that when i make xconfig I'll have the option to build the drivers I need? |
| 08:42.17 | Recoil` | bob2: would it still let me boot winxp from lilo? |
| 08:42.28 | Tchiak | ? |
| 08:42.42 | Tchiak | winxp is on one machine and linux is supposed to be on another |
| 08:42.45 | xerophyte | Does anybody know what is t his process is 14 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.0 0.0 0:00 AARICH watchdog |
| 08:42.46 | Tchiak | two entirely different computres |
| 08:42.59 | Recoil` | y is that? |
| 08:43.19 | CSWookie | mosty: I'm indifferent one way or anothe, but I don't even have the option to build them in or not... I can build the base stuff in, but not the drivers the program says i need. |
| 08:43.23 | sladegen | y |
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| 08:43.40 | skermajo | could somebody suggest reasons why my desktop and terminal fonts look nice and smooth but my mozilla fonts look all pixelated ? |
| 08:43.45 | bob2 | Recoil`: yes |
| 08:43.52 | mosty | cswookie, why can't you build them? |
| 08:43.54 | bob2 | xerophyte: woftware watchdog? |
| 08:44.07 | bob2 | skermajo: sid? |
| 08:44.24 | xerophyte | bob2 how can i find out if that woftware? |
| 08:44.27 | skermajo | bob2: no, sarge |
| 08:44.33 | Madkiss | bob2: Well. I now at least know what computers felt now on 01.01.2000 .. |
| 08:44.39 | skermajo | bob2: don't read enough to use sid :) |
| 08:44.50 | bob2 | xerophyte: er, software. |
| 08:44.54 | bob2 | skermajo: install mozilla-xft. |
| 08:44.59 | CSWookie | mosty: Because it doesn't give me the option in the make menu. I've built everything, and the bsic stuff gets done, but I'm not getting the SIS drivers for the chips. |
| 08:45.00 | bob2 | skermajo: hah :) |
| 08:45.08 | bob2 | xerophyte: did you build your own kernel? |
| 08:45.19 | mosty | cswookie, make sure you have all the prerequisite options selected |
| 08:45.24 | bob2 | Madkiss: yeah, I blew up a nuclear reactor earlier, too. |
| 08:45.56 | skermajo | bob2: thanks, that sounds logical! should have known that. new years day isn't kind on the brain :( |
| 08:45.59 | xerophyte | bob2 nope |
| 08:46.16 | openlurker | ok, have ethernet back, yet to figure out sound |
| 08:46.49 | plush-dally | what happens at the 'and' of the world? |
| 08:46.53 | Madkiss | bob2: No, but I collapsed down ;) |
| 08:46.54 | plush-dally | *blinks in confusion* |
| 08:46.59 | Bac9 | sladegen: it will not be the end, on the contrary it'll just not end |
| 08:47.05 | openlurker | How do I switch display modes in X? |
| 08:47.10 | sladegen | end... time counter rolls |
| 08:47.24 | plush-dally | 20...38? |
| 08:47.28 | bob2 | skermajo: heh, fair enough. I'm not actually sure why it's not the default, anyway. |
| 08:47.43 | sladegen | year 2038..... |
| 08:47.44 | Bac9 | sladegen: did you run the test script? on most PCs it just get stuck on that date not advancing to next second |
| 08:47.44 | bob2 | xerophyte: software watchdog is supposed to reboot the machine if the kernel hangs for more than, say, 30s. |
| 08:47.48 | plush-dally | damn.. i'll be 53 by then |
| 08:47.49 | bob2 | the end of the EPOCH. |
| 08:47.57 | Madkiss | bob2: I'd like to know what Mr Bush is thinking at the moment ... "Fuck! Again no terrorists attacks! bullshit!" ;) |
| 08:48.14 | skermajo | bob2: tried it but it reports broken packages . . I'll have to look into it. might be left over from the mixed system |
| 08:48.26 | sladegen | 32 bit time counter... but we'll switch to 64 bit by then ;))) |
| 08:48.27 | xerophyte | bob2 oh thats why is it running |
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| 08:49.19 | plush-dally | is apt-spy supposed to take forever? |
| 08:49.27 | plush-dally | or am i just a complete n00b? |
| 08:49.35 | bob2 | plush-dally: it is. |
| 08:50.07 | bob2 | Madkiss: just slip some non-white-looking people fifty bucks to walk around looking scary. |
| 08:50.12 | bob2 | Madkiss: then ship them to cuba! |
| 08:50.17 | xerophyte | bob2 its [AARICH watchdog] seems like something to do with RAID |
| 08:50.33 | plush-dally | :P pretty soon i'm gonna find out that i needed to add an extra switch to it to make it create the sources.list file, and all this time will have been wasted... :S |
| 08:50.40 | bob2 | xerophyte: oooh. |
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| 08:50.51 | openlurker | dammit screen is too small. |
| 08:50.52 | bob2 | skermajo: ah,um,don't know, I haven't used testing in years. |
| 08:50.56 | sladegen | and then universetimescalethelimitwaituntilthatthermodynamicfreezedeath... |
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| 08:51.03 | xerophyte | bob2 why is always running |
| 08:51.35 | xerophyte | cafuego any idea why is [AARICH watchdog] always DW and making the load 1.0 and above seems like its something to do with RAID |
| 08:51.44 | xerophyte | cafuego any idea how can i fix i t |
| 08:51.50 | Recoil` | i found it interesting that debian could connect to the internet through my lan w/o me configuring anything |
| 08:52.08 | bob2 | the magic of DHCP. |
| 08:52.43 | plush-dally | Recoil`: lucky you... i have a dlink pci wifi card... took me more than 12+ hours of configuring to get it to work |
| 08:53.05 | bob2 | jamesdZzzZZzz: please turn that off? |
| 08:53.24 | Recoil` | how do i check what my kernel version nis? |
| 08:53.28 | Recoil` | is* |
| 08:53.32 | mosty | uname |
| 08:53.34 | skermajo | Recoil`: uname -r |
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| 08:54.04 | Recoil` | thats odd... i just installed the 2.4.18 kernel package and its still saying 2.2.20 |
| 08:54.08 | bucky | plush-dally: how did you do it? |
| 08:54.12 | caphuso | Recoil`: did you reboot? |
| 08:54.17 | Recoil` | yes |
| 08:54.25 | bucky | plush-dally: my pci card hates me |
| 08:54.32 | plush-dally | bucky: madwifi atheros drivers |
| 08:54.39 | bucky | ah |
| 08:54.40 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 08:54.45 | plush-dally | bucky: and a LOT of playing around with config files |
| 08:54.54 | bucky | that's the hard part |
| 08:54.54 | holycow | looks like theres an upper limit to the size of a bookmarks file in firebird |
| 08:54.56 | holycow | strange |
| 08:55.05 | plush-dally | i learned a lot though :P |
| 08:55.19 | mosty | recoil: did you tell your bootloader to load the new kernel? |
| 08:55.25 | caphuso | Recoil`: did you hand edit your lilo conf, forget to alter it to boot your new 2.4.18 kernel and to run lilo? |
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| 08:56.01 | Recoil` | i edited it the way the warning before the kernel installatin told me |
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| 08:56.04 | sladegen | wouldnt postinstall script do that ;?) |
| 08:56.10 | bucky | plush-dally: i can make mine work by giving it commands with iwconfig, but it doesn't like /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:56.36 | bucky | i like to ifup wlan0 and it ignores me |
| 08:56.39 | plush-dally | bucky: what do you have written for it in your interfaces file? |
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| 08:57.03 | bucky | plush-dally: go to #flood |
| 08:57.38 | Recoil` | i just opened up lilo.conf and it seems very short after the install not even a half page long |
| 08:58.15 | plush-dally | bucky: hmm... have you tried putting 'auto wlan0' just before that? |
| 08:58.31 | bucky | i'll try that next |
| 08:58.34 | sladegen | Recoil`: half page long would be 15 lines on my console id say its long then |
| 08:58.37 | Recoil` | and the line i added is still in there 'initrd=/initrd.img' should that second initrd.img be the name of the kernel? |
| 08:58.57 | bucky | plush-dally: i just like manually changing between eth0 and wlan0 |
| 08:59.16 | bztunk | dpkg: fuck me |
| 08:59.26 | Recoil` | lol |
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| 08:59.35 | bztunk | hehe :D |
| 08:59.50 | sladegen | dpkg: thrill me |
| 08:59.50 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, sladegen |
| 09:00.02 | bztunk | dpkg: you are moron #1 |
| 09:00.10 | bztunk | wtf |
| 09:00.10 | plush-dally | bucky: also.. why not just specify the mac addy of the ap? i foudn the atheros drivers seemed to connect and configure everything else for itself |
| 09:00.44 | bucky | plush-dally: ic, atheros is nice, i'm using a prism 2 card |
| 09:01.00 | bucky | but i'll try that |
| 09:01.20 | Recoil` | how do i make sure my boot loader is loading my new kernel? |
| 09:01.24 | plush-dally | well, i'm certainly no expert, all i can really tell you is what worked for me :S |
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| 09:03.39 | streuner | Recoil`: lilo -v |
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| 09:05.18 | sladegen | streuner: no hangover? |
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| 09:05.33 | sladegen | and so early up... |
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| 09:06.44 | openlurker | Can someone please tell me how to switch video modes in Gnome/X? I can't do anything with the screen this small! |
| 09:07.23 | mosty | ctrl-alt-plus/minus |
| 09:07.38 | openlurker | That didn't do anything. |
| 09:07.50 | sladegen | xvidtune ... hmm dont remember exactly.... use apt-cache/file search |
| 09:07.51 | mosty | then you have no other valid modes |
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| 09:08.11 | sladegen | openlurker: their is easier/harder way... |
| 09:08.25 | openlurker | How's that? |
| 09:08.37 | openlurker | Sorry I'm being such a pest, btw. |
| 09:08.38 | Recoil` | streuner: after i did lilo -v, and rebooting lilo didnt show my winxp partition... |
| 09:08.49 | streuner | fine |
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| 09:09.06 | davidmccabe | Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 09:09.07 | sladegen | openlurker: set your vertical and horizantl refresh rates for you monitor then set defaultfepth to 24 and add higher modes to screen section... |
| 09:09.10 | davidmccabe | What's the device name for that? |
| 09:09.26 | sladegen | depth* |
| 09:09.30 | streuner | Recoil`: man lilo.conf |
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| 09:10.24 | sladegen | or just rearrange so e.g. 1076x786 is 1st... |
| 09:10.32 | plush-dally | hey, would anyone strongly suggest against installing xfree86 4.3 under debian unstable? |
| 09:10.50 | bztunk | plush-dally: only if you don't know what you are doing |
| 09:10.53 | openlurker | What are normal h and v refresh for SVGA? |
| 09:10.55 | plush-dally | i kinda need support for my radeon 9700 so i need bleeding edge |
| 09:11.07 | openlurker | vanilla SVGA |
| 09:11.17 | Recoil` | streuner: so i should add 'other=/dev/hdxx'? |
| 09:11.22 | sladegen | openlurker: look in manual for your damn monitor or look on its back... |
| 09:12.23 | plush-dally | Recoil`: yes, pretty much |
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| 09:13.02 | plush-dally | what is this..... manual? |
| 09:13.10 | zeo33x | HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:14.04 | Recoil` | how do i exit and save out of vi? is it :vq or :wq? |
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| 09:14.15 | Recoil` | or niether |
| 09:14.30 | openlurker | slade, the monitor doesn't have a manual. It was given to me, the back doesn't say anything about refresh rates. |
| 09:14.34 | sladegen | latter |
| 09:14.34 | JoePenguin | Recoil`, :w is write and :q is quit, so :wq |
| 09:14.41 | thiccups | Recoil`: save and exit :x |
| 09:14.41 | Recoil` | k ty |
| 09:15.03 | sladegen | openlurker: then perhaps visit www of its manufacturer |
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| 09:15.12 | jack|pdx | hey, so i'm trying get Xwindows running on my laptop, and when i startx, it says "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 89: /etc/X11/Xsession no such file or directory." What am I missing? |
| 09:15.25 | fpmc | I have a strange problem with windows. I have a dual boot debian and win2k on same harddrive, but everytime I mount the win2k partition in debian, when I log back on win2k, some of the settings are changed. For example, my desktop items are re-ordered and my folder view settings are changed.. Is this normal? |
| 09:15.52 | streuner | jack|pdx: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 09:16.32 | sladegen | fpmc: dont write into ntfs perhaps.... |
| 09:17.18 | fpmc | sladegen: My win2k is fat32. It was originally ntfs, but I converted it to fat32 with PartitionMagic |
| 09:17.26 | jack|pdx | streuner: thanks! :) |
| 09:17.33 | fpmc | sladgen: maybe the conversion wasn't that perfect? |
| 09:17.44 | streuner | jack|pdx: welcome. |
| 09:17.47 | sladegen | then hire some goons and get rid of them pesky gnomes |
| 09:18.03 | sladegen | *shrug* |
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| 09:18.49 | sarig | happy new year one and all |
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| 09:19.04 | sladegen | then again its windows ... everything is supposed to be auto ... magical ;) |
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| 09:19.37 | fpmc | sladgen: haha. Not that I care really, but I kept Window for my little sister and she always complain about this :( |
| 09:20.04 | sarig | anyone got any idea why this is happening ? using woody on a sparc, and there seems to be a conflict here i have not been able to resolve. |
| 09:20.12 | sarig | (Reading database ... 54116 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 09:20.20 | sarig | Preparing to replace libc6-sparc64 2.2.5-11.2 (using .../libc6-sparc64_2.2.5-11.5_sparc.deb) ... |
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| 09:20.51 | sarig | at this point the whole thing falls over with /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-sparc64_2.2.5-11.5_sparc.deb |
| 09:20.51 | sarig | eal: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:20.53 | sarig | ?? |
| 09:20.55 | sladegen | fpmc: really not a sliver of idea... if you dont touch it it shouldnt rearrange. look for reason on windows not linux then.... but i dont use it at all lately |
| 09:21.01 | sarig | any help welcome |
| 09:21.07 | streuner | sarig: don't flood the channel |
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| 09:21.20 | sarig | :( sorry |
| 09:21.32 | cromd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.53 | gino | happy new year , apt-getters |
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| 09:22.19 | Mave | apt-getters like wankers ? |
| 09:22.20 | cromd | and also with you gino |
| 09:22.25 | fpmc | sladegen: Ok. My first guess are your answer would be that the conversion of partition wasn't that perfect, and I know that writing to ntfs is diastrous |
| 09:22.32 | streuner | sarig: fix the error in libc6-script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/postin*.libc6 |
| 09:22.37 | Recoil` | streuder: i added the other os to lilo.conf, but its still nto showing up on the prompt |
| 09:22.49 | sarig | hmmmm |
| 09:22.50 | Recoil` | sorry i meant struener* |
| 09:22.53 | fpmc | sladegen: whoops, ignore the three words "are your answer" hehe :) |
| 09:23.29 | blooe | ok, so I've read up on freshmeat about spamfilters :) - though bayesian filtering was added to spamassassin in between time to spamassassin - so my question is now - how does spamassassin's bayesian filtering compare to bogofilter? Is it worth adding bogofilter on top of spamassassin? Or only run bogofilter instead of spamassassin (what I'm currently using)? |
| 09:23.48 | sarig | streuner: the file does not exist |
| 09:24.01 | gino | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.01 | gino | eal: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code |
| 09:24.14 | gino | any idea ? |
| 09:25.13 | bob2 | gino: that's a useless error. paste the whole thing to #flood |
| 09:25.24 | sarig | streuner: ahhh thx i think i see what your getting at |
| 09:25.37 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10143 2003-11-05 20:18 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst |
| 09:25.44 | gino | ok bob2 thanks |
| 09:27.16 | Recoil` | what is x's default resolution? |
| 09:27.18 | sladegen | fpmc: perehaps consider using ntfs for that win... and just setup some fat part for exchange of files.... just a thought (tm) |
| 09:27.30 | bob2 | Recoil`: it doesn't have one. |
| 09:27.51 | Recoil` | hmm |
| 09:27.54 | fpmc | sladegen: that would be nice too :) thanks for the suggestion |
| 09:27.54 | plush-dally | how do i check what version of libc6 i have? |
| 09:28.06 | streuner | plush-dally: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 09:28.07 | fpmc | sladegen: after all I only need the music and documents |
| 09:28.26 | Recoil` | what could be causing my screen to freeze as x starts up |
| 09:28.37 | deadcat | streuner: got your webpage up yet? |
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| 09:29.05 | streuner | deacat: iam working on it ;-) |
| 09:29.11 | deadcat | hehe |
| 09:29.19 | sladegen | fpmc: if you had 2 boxes you could just use ftp or/and samba.... if one uses win2k its better to use its "proper" fs |
| 09:29.24 | bob2 | Recoil`: using the binary-only nvidia "drivers"? |
| 09:29.35 | Recoil` | i have an ati card |
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| 09:30.14 | deadcat | anyone know the pigtail connector for the orinoco cards? the small connector on the card. |
| 09:30.19 | fpmc | sladegen: hm... I do have another machine, but I have no luck setting up samba as of yet :( |
| 09:30.26 | esop | Recoli': bad mouse config? |
| 09:30.29 | Recoil` | the wierd thing is i could still type 'shutdown -r now' in the dark while the screen was frozen |
| 09:30.42 | Recoil` | i just configured my usb mouse, thats why i updated my kernel |
| 09:30.45 | sladegen | fpmc: like i said or ftp.. |
| 09:31.50 | fpmc | sladegen: yea.. that's what I'm using now. I am in the learning stage, will try samba and ftp in detail later. Maybe I'll ask you all nice people some quesitons about these later :) |
| 09:32.00 | gino | see you soon |
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| 09:33.08 | sladegen | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 09:33.25 | Recoil` | also, how do i mount my windows partitions? |
| 09:33.34 | sladegen | or just http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/ |
| 09:34.03 | streuner | Recoil`: man mount |
| 09:35.25 | sladegen | this one should pick interest of all those wannabees outhere: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 09:38.46 | Recoil` | wow, that sucks you need an attitude to be a hacker? |
| 09:40.32 | Recoil` | struener: it doesnt list my windows hd under mount -f |
| 09:40.45 | sladegen | no comment Ricochet |
| 09:41.06 | nautis | i eat h4x0rz for breakfast |
| 09:41.14 | jack|pdx | streuner: hrm, it's still doing it. :( any other ideas? What package provides XSession? |
| 09:42.01 | Recoil` | would it be a bad idea to edit fstab? |
| 09:43.06 | nevyn | Recoil`: no |
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| 09:44.29 | floppyears | happy new year DEBIAN! |
| 09:44.39 | fpmc | I think that newest nvidia v1.0-5328 driver is buggy. I personally can't use it, and I've read numerous forum postings suggesting to use the v1.0-4496 drive. Just a note for all those struggling with nvidia drivers. |
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| 09:48.12 | jack|pdx | arrrgh. still can't get X working! :( |
| 09:48.28 | Recoil` | me niether, lets share the pain |
| 09:49.03 | floppyears | does anybody here use an ATI card with 2.6 and has 3D acceleration |
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| 09:49.16 | Recoil` | not only that, but lilo cant boot my windows partition |
| 09:49.29 | Recoil` | no gui, ill be dead in the matter of hours |
| 09:50.03 | jack|pdx | now when i try to start X, it spits out a bunch of "not loading .note.GNU-stack" and then goes back to the prompt |
| 09:50.05 | jack|pdx | no explanation |
| 09:50.06 | esop | Recoli': what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger! |
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| 09:50.10 | jack|pdx | the logs don't show any errors |
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| 09:50.41 | fpmc | jack|pdx: what's your problems installing X? |
| 09:50.59 | jack|pdx | fpmc: installing X? well first, it said it was missing /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 09:51.27 | fpmc | jack|pdx: Did you use tasksel to install X Windows? |
| 09:51.29 | jack|pdx | fpmc: now, when i type startx, it acts like it's gonna start, then just drops back to the prompt. The log don't show any EE's, but there are many entries that say .note.GNU-stack? |
| 09:51.33 | jack|pdx | fpmc: no |
| 09:52.18 | fpmc | jack|pdx: maybe try that? I think they install all the necessary packages to have X running (that's how I did it after 3 days of struggling) |
| 09:52.36 | jack|pdx | where is taskel located again? :P |
| 09:52.56 | fpmc | jack|pdx: just type 'tasksel' in prompt. Debian has it installed natively I think |
| 09:53.14 | esop | which tasksel :) |
| 09:53.15 | jack|pdx | oops, hah |
| 09:53.15 | jack|pdx | dammit |
| 09:53.22 | jack|pdx | well i was typing "taskel" |
| 09:53.26 | fpmc | jack|pdx: I think of it as a dummy version of dselect |
| 09:53.31 | fpmc | haha |
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| 09:54.13 | jack|pdx | fpmc: good, cuz this dummy has been futzing with it for too long |
| 09:54.37 | fpmc | jack|pdx: I JUST got X working after three days of struggle myself ;) |
| 09:55.02 | Zap-W | :9 |
| 09:55.17 | Recoil` | *round of applause for fpmc* |
| 09:55.18 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.33 | fpmc | Recoil`: lol |
| 09:55.37 | bob2 | !config-manager |
| 09:55.40 | bob2 | !info config-manager |
| 09:55.43 | Recoil` | dont laugh i still havent gotten that far |
| 09:56.00 | Recoil` | i still need to get windows back into the lilo prompt |
| 09:56.00 | floppyears | what are the best debian links availabe in the web ? |
| 09:56.02 | fpmc | Debian is so so so so much more fun once I got thru the first mind-blowing stage!!!!! |
| 09:56.15 | plush-dally | mmmm.... 1904, finally. :) |
| 09:56.24 | plush-dally | it's gonan be a good year. |
| 09:56.31 | fpmc | Recoil`: use GRUB. I never had any luck with LILO |
| 09:56.45 | esop | floopyear: www.debian.org www.debianplanet.org for starters. :) |
| 09:56.49 | Recoil` | i dont know how to setup my new kernel in grub |
| 09:56.50 | fpmc | Recoil`: and GRUB is easy to install, configure, and simply works! |
| 09:56.59 | Recoil` | think so eh? |
| 09:57.03 | madness | so is lilo |
| 09:57.37 | madness | Recoil`: you just need to add a chainloader entry for your windows partition. |
| 09:57.51 | fpmc | Recoil`: well I used to have two hard-drives, one has linux and the other has two Linux on it. I asked in this forum saying that I can't find docs on how to boot the three partitions. They all suggested GRUB |
| 09:58.06 | madness | Recoil`: check man lilo.conf |
| 09:58.20 | Recoil` | i just donno why winxp isnt showing up in the prompt i added "other=/dev/hdxx" to lilo.conf |
| 09:58.33 | madness | Recoil`: look at the example there, and look for the section with "other=blah" |
| 09:58.36 | Recoil` | it might be linked to teh fact that i cant mount that hd either |
| 09:58.46 | madness | Recoil`: is that all you but there ? |
| 09:58.50 | madness | put even |
| 09:58.54 | plush-dally | Recoil: lol... hdxx won't do anything |
| 09:58.54 | esop | Recoli': needs label=blah |
| 09:58.57 | bob2 | what's "yes" in Spanish? |
| 09:58.59 | Recoil` | i put in label=winxp |
| 09:59.09 | Recoil` | xx was my hd/partition |
| 09:59.15 | esop | run lilo as root |
| 09:59.17 | Zap-W | bob2 : what? no such word |
| 09:59.18 | plush-dally | :P my bad |
| 09:59.21 | madness | Recoil`: and then run lilo -v ? |
| 09:59.25 | fpmc | Recoil`: really 'xx'? |
| 09:59.32 | bob2 | Zap-W: what's the Spanish equivalent of the english word "yes". |
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| 09:59.34 | Recoil` | ... |
| 09:59.34 | bob2 | ? |
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| 09:59.44 | Zap-W | bob2 : are you j/k ? si |
| 09:59.44 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 09:59.47 | madness | Recoil`: lilo -v as root is your friend in these circumstances |
| 09:59.49 | lkthomas | anyone using amavisd with postfix ? |
| 09:59.53 | Recoil` | ok no wonder |
| 10:00.04 | Recoil` | it cant handle label's w/ two words |
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| 10:00.50 | Recoil` | that might not be it, but ill try again just in case |
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| 10:01.29 | Recoil` | well, at least im getting a lotta typing practice using console all day... |
| 10:01.30 | ecstatix | anyone know of a darkish debian wallpaper? |
| 10:01.43 | madness | Recoil`: always remember to run lilo after making changes |
| 10:01.46 | jack|pdx | ARGH |
| 10:01.48 | jack|pdx | no go. :( |
| 10:01.56 | Recoil` | i just rebooted and it still showed only linux |
| 10:01.57 | Tchiak | bob2 what was that command you gave me to check my linux version? |
| 10:02.02 | madness | Recoil`: if you don't, nothing gets changed, and if you had done before, you would have seen the problem |
| 10:02.03 | jack|pdx | still starts to do X, then just stops |
| 10:02.06 | madness | Recoil`: ^^ |
| 10:02.18 | Recoil` | yes, i did do lilo -v |
| 10:02.27 | madness | Recoil`: and did it say it added the entry ? |
| 10:02.28 | bob2 | Tchiak: uname -r |
| 10:02.42 | Tchiak | 2.2.20 |
| 10:02.44 | plush-dally | Recoil': two lines in lilo.conf, 'other=/dev/hdnn', and 'label="whatever you want"' the nsave, exit and run lilo |
| 10:02.46 | Tchiak | o_o |
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| 10:03.08 | plush-dally | make sure nn points to your XP partition properly. |
| 10:03.16 | Recoil` | i did that |
| 10:03.26 | Recoil` | still shows only linux |
| 10:03.38 | plush-dally | when you run lilo it should list windows there right away. |
| 10:03.42 | ecstatix | and you did /sbin/lilo -v? |
| 10:03.46 | madness | Recoil`: you obviously didn't do it properly. did it say it added the entry ? |
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| 10:04.15 | plush-dally | how is(are) your hard drive(s) set up? |
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| 10:05.01 | Recoil` | hda2=winxp, hda5=winxp partitioin, hda6=winxp partition, hdbx=linux |
| 10:05.07 | croddy | anyone know which package contains the 'ip' utility? |
| 10:05.14 | Tchiak | 1(A,B)->2(A,B,C)->3(A) |
| 10:05.26 | Tchiak | that is the simplist way of describing my network :P |
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| 10:05.44 | mosty | croddy: iproute |
| 10:05.49 | fpmc | is 2.4 kernel unstable? |
| 10:05.49 | croddy | thanks |
| 10:05.53 | croddy | fpmc: no |
| 10:06.07 | mosty | tchiak: create a diagram, post a link to a gif or something |
| 10:06.08 | fpmc | croddy: any reason why debian CD defaults to 2.2? |
| 10:06.16 | Recoil` | i did lilo -v and it said "boot other: /dev/hda2, on /dev/hda, loader /boot/chain.b added winxp" |
| 10:06.19 | mosty | fpmc: because 2.2 is well tested |
| 10:06.28 | fpmc | mosty: ok |
| 10:06.38 | croddy | fpmc: woody also offers 2.4.18 -- type 'bf24' at the boot prompt |
| 10:06.48 | fpmc | croddy: yes I'm using it :) |
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| 10:07.26 | fpmc | croddy: perhaps if 2.6 come out then 2.4 will be standard...? |
| 10:07.46 | MattyT | fpmc: because that was what was there when woody was released |
| 10:07.50 | mosty | fpmc: nah debian doesn't seem to work like that |
| 10:08.02 | croddy | fpmc: sarge will almost certainly default to 2.4 when it's released |
| 10:08.15 | MattyT | which was around the time that 2.4 finally stabilised |
| 10:08.20 | fpmc | thanks for all the answers :) |
| 10:08.26 | jack|pdx | grrr |
| 10:08.32 | jack|pdx | ok, so now XDM will start |
| 10:08.38 | jack|pdx | but not the actual window manager |
| 10:08.46 | jack|pdx | if i enter my login, it just goes back to XDM |
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| 10:09.10 | fpmc | jack|pdx: which manager did you install? How did you install it? |
| 10:09.22 | jack|pdx | fpmc: wmaker, apt-get install wmaker |
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| 10:10.57 | weiye | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.08 | weiye | anyone got pcmcia problem on 2.4.18-bf2.4? |
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| 10:11.37 | weiye | I got this error msg: ".../i82365.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_R9991be23" |
| 10:11.54 | fpmc | jack|pdx: I believe you have to configure X to use wmaker. If you don't mind, an easy solution is to use tasksel again to install Desktop Environments and use something like kdm, it will let you choose between a few managers |
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| 10:12.47 | Tchiak | how do i activate isa pnp in my kernel? |
| 10:13.21 | mosty | tchiak, compile it in |
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| 10:14.00 | Tchiak | ok any good resources on that one? |
| 10:14.17 | mosty | the kernel howto |
| 10:14.18 | bob2 | Tchiak: why are you buliding a kernel at all? |
| 10:14.23 | Tchiak | i'm not |
| 10:14.32 | Tchiak | i'm trying to get my ESS sounchip to work |
| 10:14.43 | fpmc | what does the bf in 2.4.18-bf2.4 stand for? |
| 10:14.46 | bob2 | so load the damn module already. |
| 10:14.49 | bob2 | fpmc: boot floppies |
| 10:14.50 | fpmc | "bug free"? |
| 10:14.54 | fpmc | bob2: ok |
| 10:14.57 | bob2 | fpmc: the name of the installer woody used |
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| 10:15.21 | Zap-W | aSdasdkasd |
| 10:15.21 | fpmc | bob2: somewhat strange name I must say |
| 10:16.04 | bob2 | fpmc: no more or less than "fpmc" ;-) |
| 10:16.18 | fpmc | bob2: LOL :p |
| 10:16.21 | plush-dally | oooo~~~ |
| 10:16.34 | Recoil` | lol |
| 10:16.37 | bob2 | Tchiak: and what happens when you load the module? |
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| 10:18.04 | Recoil` | why cant i mount my windows partitions? |
| 10:18.28 | bob2 | of course you can |
| 10:18.33 | bob2 | as long as you believe you can |
| 10:18.38 | Recoil` | ... |
| 10:19.04 | MattyT | if you don't believe in your software, it will have low self esteem and be unable to perform properly |
| 10:19.06 | bob2 | I believe I can fly! |
| 10:19.09 | weiye | 'bf' - boot floppies |
| 10:19.10 | bob2 | I believe I can touch the sky! |
| 10:19.16 | Recoil` | ... |
| 10:19.27 | bob2 | Recoil`: obviously you CAN mount it, you're just doing it wrong. |
| 10:19.38 | bob2 | Recoil`: tell us what you're doign and then we can tell you the right way |
| 10:19.39 | Recoil` | well i assumed that much |
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| 10:20.10 | Recoil` | 'mount hda2' gets 'can't find hda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 10:20.12 | arauko | sometimes X crashes with this error = (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 10:20.12 | arauko | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 10:20.12 | arauko | (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI., im using i815 |
| 10:20.49 | bob2 | Recoil`: ok, that's completely wrong. read the "mount" manpage. |
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| 10:24.13 | Recoil` | is this better 'mount -t hd hda2 /dev/hda2' that gets fs type hd not supported by kernel |
| 10:24.54 | mosty | recoil: i have never heard of a fs called "hd" |
| 10:25.05 | Zap-W | it's a new FS |
| 10:25.18 | Zap-W | suposedly faster than reiserfs |
| 10:25.55 | Recoil` | i assumed type meant type of device |
| 10:26.36 | mosty | nope |
| 10:26.58 | Recoil` | now it said special device hda2 does not exist |
| 10:27.29 | mosty | you still have the command mangles |
| 10:27.32 | mosty | mangled, even |
| 10:28.57 | bob2 | dude. |
| 10:29.03 | bob2 | have you NEVER used mount before? |
| 10:29.12 | bob2 | what type of filesystem is on that partition? |
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| 10:29.19 | Recoil` | ntfs |
| 10:29.27 | rahul | wassaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KAWFEH! |
| 10:29.42 | Recoil` | kawfeh? was that a sneeze? |
| 10:29.42 | bob2 | Recoil`: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/whatever |
| 10:29.47 | bob2 | !+kawfeh |
| 10:29.48 | dpkg | Timmy? KAWFEH! |
| 10:29.49 | rahul | HEH |
| 10:29.54 | bob2 | !+rah00 |
| 10:29.55 | dpkg | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 10:30.12 | bob2 | dude. |
| 10:30.28 | rahul | air |
| 10:30.37 | bob2 | troubled s in charge of being molested now. |
| 10:30.39 | ecstatix | 20 molestations / day should be enough for anybody |
| 10:30.45 | rahul | oh ok |
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| 10:31.28 | rahul | helix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:31.42 | rahul | you told me tp get drunk |
| 10:31.56 | Kimble | I would like to recompile the kernel and have just finished saving kernel changes! do I have to mount boot? what do I do now? |
| 10:32.04 | Kimble | sorry for the noob question |
| 10:32.09 | rahul | $150 woooo |
| 10:32.09 | modconf | rahul: i haven't a clue |
| 10:32.14 | helix | rahul: aww, i am sooooo proud :) happy new year |
| 10:32.16 | rahul | HEH |
| 10:32.22 | helix | rahul: don't do that |
| 10:32.22 | rahul | HAPPY NEW YUWAQR |
| 10:32.25 | Kimble | in general I know how to recompile and install the kernel with gentoo but debian is a little different |
| 10:32.27 | helix | oh dear |
| 10:32.29 | Kimble | btw happy new year |
| 10:32.30 | rahul | I already did |
| 10:32.31 | Kimble | :) |
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| 10:32.47 | rahul | kernel is kernel |
| 10:32.51 | laszlo_ | which modules is need for pcmcia compact flash? |
| 10:32.52 | Recoil` | how do u make a dir? |
| 10:32.54 | mosty | kimble, i think it's exactly the same in debian as gentoo |
| 10:32.58 | laszlo_ | serial_cs, perhaps? |
| 10:33.17 | helix | Recoil`: mkdir |
| 10:33.18 | helix | ? |
| 10:33.25 | rahul | geyt mosty!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:33.27 | Recoil` | k |
| 10:33.34 | mosty | hey rahul |
| 10:33.37 | rahul | mostitdlyio! |
| 10:33.51 | Zap-W | in what cases should i enable hdparm -c1 (32bit IO support) /dev/hda |
| 10:33.52 | Kimble | mosty: not really because in gentoo I mount my boot partition |
| 10:33.54 | rahul | my borther can't get into my futon |
| 10:34.02 | Kimble | and in debian I can't seem to mount it |
| 10:34.03 | Kimble | :( |
| 10:34.04 | Zap-W | when i have motherboard type ..? with hd ? |
| 10:34.06 | Recoil` | bob2: i got a bunch of errors on that mount |
| 10:34.11 | rahul | boot parittision are so 80s |
| 10:34.11 | helix | rahul: where did you go? |
| 10:34.12 | mosty | kimble: do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 10:34.23 | rahul | helix: abar 9 |
| 10:34.49 | Kimble | mosty: yes I have a seperate boot partition |
| 10:34.49 | mosty | rahul, heh did one of your older looking buddies buy you a beer? ;) |
| 10:34.58 | mosty | kimble: is it mounted already? |
| 10:34.58 | helix | rahul: where is that? |
| 10:35.00 | helix | LES? |
| 10:35.01 | rahul | 54tk amd 9th |
| 10:35.01 | Kimble | /dev/hda1 |
| 10:35.08 | helix | oh. nope. |
| 10:35.08 | Kimble | no it isnt |
| 10:35.13 | Kimble | and when I try to mount it |
| 10:35.16 | tarzeau | helix: LES? |
| 10:35.17 | rahul | no, my borther buyed me someeberrs |
| 10:35.19 | Kimble | it says it isn't in the fstab |
| 10:35.26 | helix | tarzeau: lower east side (of new york city) |
| 10:35.28 | tarzeau | helix: lesbian? |
| 10:35.29 | Kimble | which is true it isn't in fstab |
| 10:35.29 | rahul | but I bouth $120 before that |
| 10:35.33 | helix | tarzeau: dream on |
| 10:35.36 | rahul | fucking wairessses |
| 10:35.36 | mosty | kimble: that means you have an incomplete mount command |
| 10:35.50 | rahul | biot at all LES |
| 10:35.55 | Kimble | mosty: so how should I mount it |
| 10:35.56 | Kimble | ? |
| 10:35.58 | rahul | but iut's good |
| 10:36.01 | helix | rahul: biot == ? |
| 10:36.04 | rahul | I like the LESS |
| 10:36.08 | rahul | helix: not :P |
| 10:36.12 | helix | rahul: i don't. i get lost |
| 10:36.24 | mosty | kimble, man mount |
| 10:36.26 | rahul | gett9ing l0st ijn the LES is good |
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| 10:36.31 | helix | pfft |
| 10:36.32 | Kimble | ok |
| 10:36.36 | Kimble | I got it mounted |
| 10:36.39 | Kimble | I created a dir |
| 10:36.44 | Kimble | mounted it off taht |
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| 10:37.03 | rahul | I meyt some chick from the LES a coulple months ago |
| 10:37.12 | rahul | very cutte |
| 10:37.29 | rahul | but she's old |
| 10:37.37 | rahul | shealsmost went to sleep |
| 10:37.43 | Recoil` | i cant mount my ntfs partition |
| 10:37.45 | rahul | ols people |
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| 10:37.58 | rahul | Recoil`: what wil it help wjhen it's ro only antway? |
| 10:38.12 | Recoil` | says wrong fs, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2 |
| 10:38.20 | helix | rahul: how old are we talking here? |
| 10:38.20 | rahul | nyfs is bad |
| 10:38.25 | helix | Recoil`: you're still doing it wrong |
| 10:38.26 | rahul | helix: probably 32 |
| 10:38.32 | helix | rahul: how old are you? |
| 10:38.35 | rahul | tgat;s my fuess |
| 10:38.38 | rahul | I'm 23 |
| 10:38.49 | helix | oh, right. yeah.. i wouldn't date a 32 year old man |
| 10:39.04 | Supaplex | I'm using a .htaccess file with rewriterule, but none of the rules appear to be in effect. The rewritelog shows nothing either. does allowoverride prevent this, and how can I open it up for rewriterules? |
| 10:39.21 | Recoil` | rahul: what did this mean 'wjhen it's ro only antway?'? |
| 10:39.21 | karsten | helix: I'm crushed. |
| 10:39.30 | Zap-W | helix how old are you |
| 10:39.31 | rahul | Recoil`: it's ro |
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| 10:39.40 | Supaplex | other rewrite rules in non cgi directorys log normaly (and process) |
| 10:40.00 | Recoil` | rahul: i have my music on there |
| 10:40.02 | rahul | I tried to [pick u[ some cicks but I was too drunk |
| 10:40.10 | rahul | Recoil`: on 53rd? |
| 10:40.10 | helix | karsten: that's because you have osteoporosis |
| 10:40.14 | helix | Zap-W: 23 |
| 10:40.18 | rahul | helix: HEH |
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| 10:40.48 | Zap-W | 22 man with a 18 girl is acceptable? |
| 10:40.54 | rahul | I have denied these things I do!~ |
| 10:40.58 | helix | yes |
| 10:41.10 | bob2 | Recoil`: that's nice. pasted to #flood? |
| 10:41.13 | rahul | 7 years is plenty |
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| 10:41.57 | Recoil` | bob2: huh? |
| 10:42.00 | Zap-W | helix : it's reasonable? |
| 10:42.40 | bob2 | Recoil`: hwo could I possibly even begin to help you without seeing the error? |
| 10:42.42 | helix | Zap-W: sure. i guess.. 18 is legal here |
| 10:42.56 | Zap-W | why do women look more mature at the age of 18 than men |
| 10:42.57 | Zap-W | hmm |
| 10:43.19 | Recoil` | <Recoil`> says wrong fs, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2 |
| 10:43.22 | rahul | what'sn thgat mp3 playter that's for gnome andnot xkmmms |
| 10:43.38 | rahul | Zap-W: because they're nbeyyer |
| 10:43.43 | rahul | better |
| 10:44.09 | rahul | I have been waiting |
| 10:44.11 | helix | Zap-W: because they have boobies and hips |
| 10:44.14 | rahul | I havge been waiting for you |
| 10:44.34 | helix | rahul: sing richard marx |
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| 10:44.47 | rahul | karl marx!~! |
| 10:44.58 | Zap-W | they just look more mature , but their brain is somewhat still childish |
| 10:45.01 | bob2 | that family had issues. |
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| 10:45.11 | xel | Hey bob2. |
| 10:45.16 | fpmc | Any helpful hints explaining the 24-bit 32-bit thing? I am confused which one is used |
| 10:45.29 | rahul | fpmc: mac? |
| 10:45.30 | helix | Zap-W: hahaha... 18 yr old men are teh suck |
| 10:45.42 | Zap-W | helix : heh what..? |
| 10:45.44 | rahul | my brother is 17 |
| 10:45.52 | helix | Zap-W: 18 yr olds are idiots |
| 10:45.53 | fpmc | rahul: no. In XF86Config it seems like that max is 24 |
| 10:45.54 | helix | the males, that is |
| 10:45.57 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 10:46.01 | rahul | it's a pain to get int obards |
| 10:46.02 | helix | actually. almost all 18 yr olds are idiots. |
| 10:46.05 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to update perl module on CPAN ? |
| 10:46.10 | helix | rahul: sing information society "running" |
| 10:46.11 | helix | GO! |
| 10:46.13 | zeeble | helix 18 yr old females? |
| 10:46.14 | rahul | fpmc: well that's usually what you wesnt |
| 10:46.15 | rahul | want |
| 10:46.16 | fpmc | rahul: and I read somewhere that 32-bit is the 'same' as 24? |
| 10:46.20 | Zap-W | helix : are you talking only about 18 old men? |
| 10:46.26 | zeeble | no. 32 is more than 24 |
| 10:46.33 | rahul | fpmc: 8bits of alpha, often ignored |
| 10:46.56 | rahul | Zap-W: ytou are a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 10:46.57 | Zap-W | helix : yes , their hormones are raging at that age |
| 10:47.07 | Zap-W | rahul : ok |
| 10:47.09 | rahul | LD |
| 10:47.14 | rahul | jej |
| 10:47.17 | rahul | weee |
| 10:47.18 | helix | everyone uses hormones as an excuse for crappy behavior |
| 10:47.25 | Zap-W | but it's true |
| 10:47.26 | rahul | I use alcohol |
| 10:47.38 | rahul | hormones are minor |
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| 10:47.49 | helix | Zap-W: look, if i can control myself during pms, you can control your dick |
| 10:47.50 | helix | damnit |
| 10:47.53 | zeeble | helix how old are you? |
| 10:47.55 | helix | 23 |
| 10:48.01 | rahul | helix: vbut cab tiy> |
| 10:48.02 | zeeble | demn, that's old |
| 10:48.05 | rahul | erm |
| 10:48.07 | Zap-W | in fact, that's why we can't look at a women even feel some disgust after coming |
| 10:48.12 | rahul | but can you? |
| 10:48.13 | Zap-W | it's all about the hormones |
| 10:48.20 | helix | rahul: sure |
| 10:48.33 | rahul | hmm |
| 10:48.38 | rahul | I dom't nbeloieve it |
| 10:48.52 | rahul | but then again, that's mot important becuase I'm so drunk! |
| 10:48.53 | zeeble | rahul what have you drunk, absinthe? |
| 10:48.54 | helix | rahul: you don't know how angelic i am in real life ():) |
| 10:49.15 | Vicious | helix: is that your mouth or your halo? |
| 10:49.17 | Vicious | :P |
| 10:49.17 | zeeble | helix i am sure girls dig your ellipsoids |
| 10:49.19 | rahul | bass, um, whaterever that best vodka is and tronic |
| 10:49.28 | rahul | and wild turkey and coke |
| 10:49.34 | rahul | t something |
| 10:49.36 | helix | zeeble: ? why would girls be interested in anything i do |
| 10:49.47 | helix | @kill Vicious |
| 10:49.52 | rahul | helix: you have no idea |
| 10:49.58 | helix | rahul: apparently not |
| 10:50.00 | arauko | the module i810.ko is required for a i815 chipset??... i got compiled in agpgart and intel_agp, but sometimes X crashes, ideas?????????? |
| 10:50.03 | zeeble | helix i would associate angelic with females |
| 10:50.04 | Vicious | aw |
| 10:50.08 | rahul | maybe I don'et eiyher |
| 10:50.14 | helix | zeeble: gosh. and i'm female! |
| 10:50.23 | zeeble | bleh |
| 10:50.26 | helix | your mental powers work |
| 10:50.39 | Zap-W | helix : if you live in america then i can understand you..m that's all they have in their head |
| 10:50.44 | rahul | ehy do? |
| 10:50.50 | Zap-W | helix : it isn't the same here in israel |
| 10:50.53 | helix | Zap-W: have you ever been to the US? |
| 10:50.57 | Zap-W | no |
| 10:50.59 | helix | ok |
| 10:51.01 | helix | hush |
| 10:51.02 | zeeble | rahul why the fsck are you typing like crazy today? |
| 10:51.05 | Vicious | Zap-W: have what in their heads? |
| 10:51.07 | rahul | oe |
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| 10:51.13 | rahul | zeeble: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:51.16 | Zap-W | but i saw the behaivior of americans teens here in israel |
| 10:51.32 | Brutus | Zap-W, "here in israel"?, another one! :D |
| 10:51.35 | Zap-W | Vicious : sex |
| 10:51.47 | rahul | Isaw israieli teens in NYC |
| 10:51.50 | rahul | so htere |
| 10:51.58 | rahul | they lived down the hall from me |
| 10:52.02 | helix | i got hit on by someone just coming back from israel in NYC once.. |
| 10:52.04 | helix | so there! |
| 10:52.13 | Vicious | Zap-W: yeah, kinda true for anyone here less than at least 25 |
| 10:52.20 | helix | jewish guy: i just got back from israel. they were bombing everywhere. |
| 10:52.30 | helix | jewish guy 10 mins later: i'm really scared to ride on the train at night |
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| 10:52.33 | helix | i'm thinking.. wtf? |
| 10:52.42 | zeeble | they dont have trains in israel |
| 10:52.43 | Zap-W | Vicious : in television everything is associated with sex, |
| 10:52.49 | zeeble | rasonable conclusion |
| 10:52.54 | helix | zeeble: no kidding dummy. i met him in nyc (on the train) |
| 10:52.57 | Brutus | zeeble, oh and we don't have phones either |
| 10:53.00 | helix | which is what he was referring to |
| 10:53.05 | rahul | bah rhw trains are safe |
| 10:53.13 | rahul | I've been on them at 1 am |
| 10:53.17 | helix | he was cute |
| 10:53.21 | helix | i liked his little curls |
| 10:53.22 | Vicious | Zap-W: sex sells :P |
| 10:53.29 | Brutus | zeeble, actually, we don't have internet or computers, i'm not really here. |
| 10:53.30 | rahul | helix: well, rhwew you go |
| 10:53.42 | rahul | no point in worrying about the trains |
| 10:53.42 | zeeble | Brutus :D |
| 10:53.47 | rahul | just hav esex |
| 10:53.53 | helix | rahul: he didn't *really* want a nice gentile such as myself |
| 10:54.00 | Brutus | rahul, rhwew you go too :) |
| 10:54.04 | Zap-W | helix : 18 year girls also have raging hormones |
| 10:54.09 | rahul | BAH! |
| 10:54.13 | Brutus | heh |
| 10:54.18 | rahul | et tu brute! |
| 10:54.19 | helix | Zap-W: hm.. i don't know. maybe. |
| 10:54.25 | Brutus | so big a typo i just couldn't help myself :) |
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| 10:54.26 | zeeble | no.girls ger the raging hormones earlier. when they are like 13-14 |
| 10:54.26 | helix | rahul: funny |
| 10:54.31 | rahul | meh |
| 10:54.46 | rahul | O still can't get my clothes on |
| 10:54.59 | dondelelcaro | rahul: TMI |
| 10:55.00 | Kimble | ah Zap-W what is that supposed to mean ? |
| 10:55.03 | Brutus | zeeble, here in israel every girl age 12+ has raging hormones (well, almost every girl i know :P) |
| 10:55.03 | rahul | dondelelcaro: I know |
| 10:55.06 | rahul | me too |
| 10:55.07 | helix | rahul: why are you trying to get dressed? |
| 10:55.08 | Kimble | I am an american here in Israel |
| 10:55.15 | rahul | helix: becuase irs cold |
| 10:55.20 | helix | oh, true |
| 10:55.26 | Brutus | Kimble, ah, another one O_O |
| 10:55.36 | StupidNewbie_ | how do i acess my CD drive, do i have to mess around with the "mount" command myself ? |
| 10:55.38 | Kimble | Brutus: yes another one so what? |
| 10:55.45 | Kimble | does it really matter where we are? |
| 10:55.51 | Brutus | Kimble, another one from israel in #debian |
| 10:55.53 | helix | no. group hug! |
| 10:56.03 | rahul | EWEEE cardb oard |
| 10:56.05 | Zap-W | heh |
| 10:56.09 | Brutus | so far the only one i've seen up to today as far as i can remember is Techdeck (the mighty linux guru) |
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| 10:56.20 | Kimble | Brutus: yes you little pedophile who likes 12 year old girls with raging hormones |
| 10:56.28 | zeeble | hsaliak dude |
| 10:56.31 | helix | Kimble: fyi, brutus is like 15 |
| 10:56.33 | hsaliak | its teh zeeble |
| 10:56.35 | Brutus | Kimble, i'm only 15 myself right now. |
| 10:56.35 | hsaliak | hi zeeble |
| 10:56.35 | zeeble | Brutus techdeck? |
| 10:56.49 | Kimble | Brutus: shouldn't you be in #script-porn-kiddies |
| 10:56.50 | Kimble | ??? |
| 10:56.52 | Kimble | lol |
| 10:56.54 | zeeble | Brutus now i am confused. is this freenode or dalnet? |
| 10:56.54 | rahul | I have a stable in my closhes |
| 10:56.55 | helix | .. |
| 10:57.04 | Brutus | zeeble, dalnet? why dalnet? O_o |
| 10:57.09 | dondelelcaro | rahul: horses too? |
| 10:57.15 | StupidNewbie_ | how do i acess my CD drive, do i have to mess around with the "mount" command myself ? |
| 10:57.17 | Brutus | Kimble, what the hell are you on about? |
| 10:57.22 | rahul | wild horses |
| 10:57.28 | helix | StupidNewbie_: mount /cdrom |
| 10:57.28 | rahul | we'll ride them som day |
| 10:57.32 | b00 | wtf, all i see here is some teen pr0n discussion |
| 10:57.36 | b00 | this is debian |
| 10:57.44 | Recoil` | woot i mounted my windows partition, i feel like a big boy now |
| 10:57.49 | helix | this is #debian's downtime |
| 10:57.50 | Zap-W | b00 : they are taking a break |
| 10:57.57 | Kimble | who asked if Brutus is Techdeck? |
| 10:57.58 | StupidNewbie_ | helix ok, and after that i can do cd /cdrom |
| 10:57.58 | zeeble | b00 p0rn-get |
| 10:57.59 | rahul | b00: wild wld horses |
| 10:57.59 | Kimble | he is not |
| 10:58.04 | StupidNewbie_ | helix and i find my files there ? |
| 10:58.05 | dondelelcaro | autopr0n! |
| 10:58.07 | helix | StupidNewbie_: yup |
| 10:58.08 | Recoil` | =) |
| 10:58.11 | StupidNewbie_ | nice :) |
| 10:58.15 | Tchiak | everytime i try to install an ALSA module my computer does not reboot |
| 10:58.16 | Brutus | Kimble, i didn't say i was techdeck..i said techdeck is the only israeli i've seen here up until now :P |
| 10:58.17 | helix | :) |
| 10:58.27 | Tchiak | it keeps doing a terminal panic |
| 10:58.28 | helix | dondelelcaro: what's autopr0n? |
| 10:58.31 | Kimble | well you are mistaken |
| 10:58.32 | Zap-W | i am israeloi |
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| 10:58.33 | Kimble | he is not the only |
| 10:58.35 | Zap-W | Thu Jan 1 12:58:55 IST 2004 |
| 10:58.36 | Kimble | there are many |
| 10:58.39 | Kimble | on every channel |
| 10:58.41 | Kimble | :P |
| 10:58.45 | Zap-W | ofcourse |
| 10:58.47 | b00 | apt, abuse rahul |
| 10:58.54 | | ACTION smacks rahul across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 10:58.54 | rahul | columboys circle is t3edous |
| 10:58.56 | simonrvn | hmm, apache didn't like the last kernel i compiled... but does like this one.. |
| 10:59.01 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://auto.pron.org/ |
| 10:59.04 | b00 | ha ha, some fun at least |
| 10:59.06 | Kimble | besides that is not the topic of this channel so quit talking about crap |
| 10:59.08 | rahul | apt: OI ;lpeve ypi@ |
| 10:59.10 | | rahul: are you using Windows? |
| 10:59.10 | rahul | ! |
| 10:59.10 | Ricky4 | Would I be right in thinking if my system has got to the point of 'rmmod' hanging then its time for a reboot, or could I try something else first? I really would *rather* try something else ... and its just this one weird modele (visor) acting strange ... |
| 10:59.11 | Madkiss | apt, abuse himself |
| 10:59.14 | | ACTION smacks himself across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 10:59.14 | zeeble | hsaliak well, that has been circumvented now. it gets updated from a server in UK. maintained by phil hands |
| 10:59.14 | helix | dondelelcaro: you are my guru |
| 10:59.16 | rahul | apt: mp |
| 10:59.17 | | from memory, mp is Northern Mariana Islands |
| 10:59.19 | Recoil` | how do you delete a dir? |
| 10:59.28 | rahul | Recoil`: em -rd? |
| 10:59.30 | rahul | um |
| 10:59.33 | rahul | helix? |
| 10:59.36 | zeeble | Recoil` man rm. look for -rf options |
| 10:59.37 | helix | hi |
| 10:59.39 | hsaliak | zeeble: ah i see, i was not aware of that |
| 10:59.42 | Recoil` | k |
| 10:59.43 | rahul | helkp |
| 10:59.45 | Madkiss | apt, lart himself |
| 10:59.49 | helix | rahul: with what? |
| 10:59.49 | Madkiss | hehe. ;) |
| 10:59.53 | Brutus | b00, uh..yeah...teen pr0n disscussion...we're talking about a bug in the debian package of pornview :P |
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| 10:59.56 | rahul | helix: the ueesiton |
| 11:00.00 | hsaliak | zeeble: wherefore did you obtain that info |
| 11:00.00 | helix | hsaliak: that's a long uptime |
| 11:00.06 | helix | rahul: what? |
| 11:00.07 | rahul | oh zeeble did it |
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| 11:00.16 | rahul | helix: I have a LONG UPTIME!:!:! |
| 11:00.17 | helix | ok |
| 11:00.22 | hsaliak | helix: lol it was more a figure of speech |
| 11:00.22 | rahul | oy veh |
| 11:00.25 | helix | rahul: again, TMI |
| 11:00.25 | zeeble | rahul i did what? |
| 11:00.26 | simonrvn | rahul: you're drunker than you were *last* time you irced dunk |
| 11:00.28 | Tchiak | can anyone help? |
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| 11:00.30 | Kimble | how long is your uptime? |
| 11:00.33 | helix | hsaliak: funny, same here |
| 11:00.36 | rahul | I am always diunkfer |
| 11:00.46 | qazix | luhar! |
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| 11:00.56 | rahul | xparhter! |
| 11:00.56 | simonrvn | rahul: how i can tell? your spelling is a fuck of a lot worse |
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| 11:01.06 | rahul | simonrvn: I lovey ou too |
| 11:01.07 | helix | wow, a gig of pron every day |
| 11:01.13 | simonrvn | rahul: aaaw :) |
| 11:01.18 | zeeble | what happened to lesbian linux? |
| 11:01.34 | rahul | zeeble: got tooo busty with itself |
| 11:01.36 | simonrvn | zeeble: they moved in together, and adpoted 2 kids |
| 11:01.41 | zeeble | cute |
| 11:01.51 | rahul | god damnt pinth crap |
| 11:02.02 | zeeble | who was maintaining it, tarzeau? |
| 11:02.06 | helix | yeah |
| 11:02.14 | rahul | YUAYA!!!!!!!!!!!!111 |
| 11:02.15 | zeeble | Brutus so techdeck is a linux guru? |
| 11:02.16 | simonrvn | still does afaik |
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| 11:02.30 | dondelelcaro | heh. the pron-o-matic is actually working now... |
| 11:02.36 | Brutus | zeeble, yup |
| 11:02.44 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. It used to just show pictures of cars... |
| 11:02.46 | Tchiak | only at 5am can i get 500kps from debian.org |
| 11:02.47 | zeeble | Brutus you == techdeck? |
| 11:02.49 | rahul | uNF~!!!!!!!! |
| 11:02.50 | dangle | anyone use ratpoison.. its wicked! i like it :) |
| 11:02.54 | cromd | i swear #debian is dragged a little lower down almost every time i come here, this is almost becoming a place for people to show the they have for what they don't understand ... ironic thing is, it's a room populated by some of the most intelligent people i know ... what gives? |
| 11:02.57 | Brutus | zeeble, no! |
| 11:02.58 | Recoil` | rm -d wont let me remove a directory |
| 11:03.01 | simonrvn | rahul: go take a shower dude :P |
| 11:03.16 | simonrvn | Recoil`: uh doh. -rf. and be *CAREFUL* with that |
| 11:03.20 | rahul | eaher in my moutj |
| 11:03.20 | tarzeau | zeeble: yes |
| 11:03.22 | Brutus | zeeble, for the third time, techdeck is the only israeli i've seen here up until today, who just happens to be a linux guru, and IS NOT ME! |
| 11:03.24 | tarzeau | zeeble: we have a shop now! |
| 11:03.26 | zeeble | cromd unsocial people who are still here at year end |
| 11:03.26 | Recoil` | k |
| 11:03.28 | tarzeau | www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 11:03.29 | qazix | cromd, That's Life(R). |
| 11:03.47 | Zap-W | all rights reserved to god |
| 11:03.49 | simonrvn | cromd: good morning to you too |
| 11:03.50 | rahul | cromd: I love you too |
| 11:03.54 | madness | cromd: "ego" is the simple answer to that question. |
| 11:03.58 | helix | dondelelcaro: haha.. |
| 11:04.02 | tarzeau | you can buy lesbian gnu/linux thong! boomerang! and bag of holdings |
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| 11:04.05 | zeeble | tarzeau seen that, saw you around at #linuxhelp and here those days |
| 11:04.11 | zeeble | tarzeau i will order! |
| 11:04.24 | Zap-W | order? |
| 11:04.29 | cromd | LOL ... not having a go at anybody, i'm probably as bad as anyone else, especially mentioning it in the first place, but, well ... we're a wierd mob, aren't we?! :) |
| 11:04.39 | rahul | zeeble: don't meka e me look |
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| 11:04.49 | zeeble | Zap-W http://www.cafeshops.com/lesbianlinux |
| 11:05.09 | helix | omg |
| 11:05.11 | helix | hahaha.. |
| 11:05.17 | zeeble | rahul ok. next time i see techdeck, i will tell him he's a god :) |
| 11:05.21 | zeeble | shite |
| 11:05.26 | rahul | anythin you say |
| 11:05.42 | zeeble | Brutus next time i see techdeck, i will bow to him :) |
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| 11:05.50 | rahul | HAPPT NEW YOYAR , too |
| 11:05.52 | jetscreamer | my printer is configured and detected, but actually printing seems to try but nothing happens. what should i look at? |
| 11:05.56 | Brutus | zeeble, i doubt you'll see him here |
| 11:05.58 | Brutus | !seen techdeck |
| 11:05.58 | *** join/#debian Active2 (~Active2@openbsd.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:05.58 | dpkg | techdeck <Techdeck@Techdeck.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 23h 1m 6s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 11:06.04 | Brutus | 28 days ago?! :O |
| 11:06.07 | rahul | helix: do somrthing1! |
| 11:06.08 | helix | jeez |
| 11:06.10 | Brutus | i thought he was gone for months |
| 11:06.14 | Zap-W | !seen xk |
| 11:06.14 | dpkg | Zap-W: i haven't seen 'xk' |
| 11:06.16 | Zap-W | !seen xt |
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| 11:06.17 | dpkg | Zap-W: i haven't seen 'xt' |
| 11:06.20 | simonrvn | !seen bk |
| 11:06.21 | dpkg | bk <bk@Apt.MathStat.Dal.Ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 1d 2h 50m 25s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 11:06.21 | rahul | thanks |
| 11:06.26 | zeeble | Brutus run into him on DALnet, if we are thinking of the same person |
| 11:06.26 | Zap-W | !seen bananas |
| 11:06.27 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'bananas', Zap-W |
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| 11:06.31 | rahul | helix: please abuse me more |
| 11:06.36 | Brutus | zeeble, on dalnet? where? |
| 11:06.36 | rahul | I love yoy@!!!! |
| 11:06.37 | qazix | !seen my ass |
| 11:06.37 | dpkg | qazix: i haven't seen 'my ass' |
| 11:06.39 | qazix | ;_; |
| 11:06.40 | helix | this always backfires |
| 11:06.42 | jetscreamer | !seen jetscreamer saying my printer is configured and detected, but actually printing seems to try but nothing happens. what should i look at? |
| 11:06.42 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i haven't seen 'jetscreamer saying my printer is configured and detected, but actually printing seems to try but nothing happens. what should i look at' |
| 11:06.43 | Zap-W | heh |
| 11:06.46 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.49 | rahul | helix: t does |
| 11:06.50 | zeeble | Brutus youngish chap, sub 22ish, or maybe less, was talking about going to Uni |
| 11:07.04 | zeeble | Brutus and from israel and has a nice acoustic guitar |
| 11:07.04 | simonrvn | @lart jetscreamer |
| 11:07.14 | zeeble | Brutus #linux on DALnet |
| 11:07.21 | jetscreamer | hey i was just seeing.... :o |
| 11:07.35 | Brutus | zeeble, i dunno, all i know is that i saw him once or twice here in this channel and he wrote several articles, including a great one about getting hebrew to work in various linux software |
| 11:07.36 | jetscreamer | scening? |
| 11:07.45 | b00 | :P ravenbird is nice too |
| 11:08.09 | abcnew | hi |
| 11:08.10 | helix | !rahul |
| 11:08.10 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
| 11:08.14 | Brutus | zeeble |
| 11:08.16 | Brutus | --- [Techdeck] (Techdeck@Techdeck.org) : Nir Peled |
| 11:08.16 | Brutus | --- [Techdeck] @#linuxusers @#linuxgurus @#linuxsecurity #linux |
| 11:08.18 | Brutus | exactly |
| 11:08.18 | qazix | !luhar |
| 11:08.19 | dpkg | Luhar, son of Mogar, son of Wintar, daughter of Gabar, bastard of Dibar. It is rumored that Luhar's great-great-great-(*20) grandson, Rahul son of none, uses Lindows. |
| 11:08.19 | helix | how boring is that |
| 11:08.21 | abcnew | i have 2 card monitor |
| 11:08.25 | michas | hi, who can help me with a strange gpm-problem? (gpm works without problems with kernel 2.6 but does nothing under 2.4...) |
| 11:08.26 | qazix | woot! it's still there. |
| 11:08.26 | rahul | it's been a long time |
| 11:08.31 | rahul | that voodoo3 |
| 11:08.33 | abcnew | 2 monitor |
| 11:08.34 | zeeble | Brutus ypu. same person |
| 11:08.42 | helix | !dondelelcaro |
| 11:08.42 | dpkg | it has been said that dondelelcaro is a nutcase who can't stop talking to apt, |
| 11:08.43 | jetscreamer | rahul you're at rice? i'm on the other side of hermann |
| 11:08.46 | abcnew | can use them in time? |
| 11:08.46 | rahul | I have a fglrx... 9700 |
| 11:08.47 | Zap-W | anyone here ever had sex in the sea? |
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| 11:08.52 | div | hello! |
| 11:08.54 | rahul | jetscreamer: graduaqted |
| 11:08.56 | helix | what the |
| 11:08.57 | abcnew | ? |
| 11:09.01 | qazix | !factinfo luhar |
| 11:09.02 | dpkg | luhar -- created by Col_Panic <z@12-245-216-3.client.attbi.com> at Thu Dec 19 21:03:08 2002 (377 days); last modified at Thu Dec 19 23:12:11 2002 by Col_Panic!z@12-245-216-3.client.attbi.com; it has been requested once, last by qazix, 43s ago. |
| 11:09.06 | rahul | jetscreamer: have fun at the weiss 5! |
| 11:09.15 | helix | !greet div |
| 11:09.16 | dpkg | Hi div! |
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| 11:09.27 | rahul | Zap-W: in the context of rice, that's just sick |
| 11:09.30 | helix | welcome to #debian-debauchery |
| 11:09.42 | div | ja...greetings |
| 11:10.04 | jetscreamer | my printer is alternative-lifestyle-ly challenged |
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| 11:10.07 | rahul | helix: htaqt'as what we're here fore |
| 11:10.12 | abcnew | ? |
| 11:10.18 | rahul | if we weren't we woud justr have you |
| 11:10.24 | helix | i'm just here to pet cats |
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| 11:10.48 | rahul | I blame steveo |
| 11:11.02 | zeeble | Brutus latched onto techdeck? |
| 11:11.28 | Brutus | zeeble, what? |
| 11:11.47 | helix | dondelelcaro: what kind of music do you dj? |
| 11:11.50 | tarzeau | i like my ultra2 www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ultra2/ |
| 11:12.01 | rahul | I don't deny tese things I do |
| 11:12.23 | helix | rahul: are you singing? |
| 11:12.25 | dondelelcaro | helix: deep house primarily... |
| 11:12.32 | helix | dondelelcaro: any brazilian artists? |
| 11:12.38 | dondelelcaro | helix: I used to spin trance, but I've stopped for the most part. |
| 11:12.40 | streuner | tarzeau: impressive |
| 11:12.41 | rahul | helix: you could meistgake it fofr that |
| 11:12.43 | Recoil` | after hours of struggle lilo has given back to me my xp partition |
| 11:12.46 | zeeble | tarzeau what's that png from, xosview? |
| 11:12.53 | tarzeau | zeeble: yep |
| 11:12.55 | helix | rahul: ok, that's what we'll go with |
| 11:12.56 | cafuego | Recoil`: ewww |
| 11:12.57 | dondelelcaro | helix: a few... but I'm eclectic... |
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| 11:13.08 | rahul | helix: fair enoufh |
| 11:13.18 | tarzeau | it can show porn twice as fast, with that two cpu! |
| 11:13.21 | dondelelcaro | helix: I actually havee a mix cd of brazillian house... [not me though...] |
| 11:13.21 | Recoil` | cafuego: yes, i know, but i cant get x to work so its my only option so far |
| 11:13.28 | rahul | I javeneem waoomg ave neem waotomg fpr,pyup |
| 11:13.33 | helix | dondelelcaro: hmm..ok. have you ever heard of suba? |
| 11:13.35 | jetscreamer | anybody use wajig? |
| 11:13.36 | rahul | wee |
| 11:14.09 | streuner | tarzeau: how fast is that, compared to an, let's say P3 700? |
| 11:14.24 | tarzeau | streuner: it can take much more people at the same time |
| 11:14.29 | zeeble | heh |
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| 11:14.38 | tarzeau | streuner: compared to a p3 700 |
| 11:14.41 | michas | hi, who can help me with a strange gpm-problem? (gpm works without problems with kernel 2.6 but does nothing under 2.4...) |
| 11:14.44 | Recoil` | thx for the help everyone, ill be back here tommarow with more newbie questions to irritate your fragile minds =) |
| 11:14.47 | tarzeau | streuner: imagine very much users on one box |
| 11:14.52 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah... didn't he die recently? |
| 11:14.57 | rahul | michas: USB? |
| 11:15.06 | michas | rahul: no |
| 11:15.16 | jetscreamer | i know i know... don't use 2.4! |
| 11:15.17 | tarzeau | streuner: it's bad to compare it, really |
| 11:15.18 | helix | dondelelcaro: not sure.. i just got put onto him recently |
| 11:15.26 | rahul | she's more sober than me |
| 11:15.51 | rahul | dondelelcaro, tooo |
| 11:15.59 | Tye_ | When installing Debian with dbootstrap, the procedure is chroot to disk, then run dbootstrap? |
| 11:16.14 | rahul | Tye_: sort of. need args |
| 11:16.24 | helix | dondelelcaro: hm. i guess he died couple years ago |
| 11:16.26 | rahul | mirror or something |
| 11:16.31 | Tye_ | rahul: Does dbootstrap need args? |
| 11:16.46 | rahul | Tye_: I thought it did. does it? |
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| 11:16.56 | dondelelcaro | Tye_: no, just debootstrap <target> <distro> |
| 11:16.56 | Tye_ | rahul: I'm looking for the man, can tell you in a minute.. |
| 11:17.02 | Vicious | Tye_: man debootstrap |
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| 11:17.22 | rahul | dpmn lmpws |
| 11:17.23 | oskie | Google has a penguin in their logo! |
| 11:17.27 | Tye_ | I was mainly checking that that was the way to do it, that I hadn't forgotten a step |
| 11:17.33 | zeeble | oskie thanks for pointing that out |
| 11:17.39 | zeeble | the year of the penguin, 2004 |
| 11:17.47 | Zap-W | anyone want a free shell on my 24/7 box? |
| 11:17.51 | zeeble | coz it will be extinct in 2005 |
| 11:17.52 | Zap-W | 2005 |
| 11:18.01 | cafuego | Zap-W: Does it do anything my local boxen don't? |
| 11:18.04 | Zap-W | 1/1/04 |
| 11:18.06 | rahul | helix: learn some QM, damnit |
| 11:18.17 | helix | rahul: i know all i need to know for now |
| 11:18.17 | madness | Zap-W: uh, umm, you are just joking, right ? |
| 11:18.18 | Zap-W | cafuego : yes |
| 11:18.19 | rahul | rotations are fun |
| 11:18.27 | cafuego | Zap-W: Such as? keyloggers? |
| 11:18.34 | madness | Zap-W: I mean - offering out shells on IRC channels. |
| 11:18.35 | helix | rahul: any particular area of QM you care to recommend? i have the feynman lectures |
| 11:18.40 | Zap-W | cafuego : no , i dont use keyloggers |
| 11:18.46 | oskie | zeeble: interesting .. i'm presuming the chinese decided this long time ago? |
| 11:18.48 | cafuego | rotl(RAHOO); |
| 11:18.49 | Zap-W | cafuego : you don't believe in free stuff? |
| 11:18.51 | Tchiak | _O+ |
| 11:18.56 | zeeble | oskie mebbe :P |
| 11:18.57 | rahul | helix: well, I told you I read the 3rd vol :) |
| 11:19.03 | helix | oh yeah |
| 11:19.04 | Zap-W | or in just being nice, |
| 11:19.13 | cafuego | Zap-W: tanstaafl |
| 11:19.13 | madness | Zap-W: ummm, can't you see the sill flaw with offering free shells on irc channels already ? |
| 11:19.16 | helix | rahul: i might need the first and second to make sense of the third |
| 11:19.18 | rahul | SO(3) and stuff |
| 11:19.26 | rahul | helix: probably. |
| 11:19.38 | oskie | zeeble: heh.. it's the year of the Green Wood Monkey! |
| 11:19.39 | Zap-W | madness : no |
| 11:19.39 | rahul | that's probablt how I'd have understood it |
| 11:19.43 | oskie | http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/2004.htm |
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| 11:19.49 | rahul | but it's all like understanding |
| 11:19.59 | helix | rahul: well.. the equations don't make sense to me |
| 11:20.04 | cafuego | Zap-W: Example: "Hi, unknown person who will appemtp to maliciously compromise my box if you had a shell, would you like a shell?" |
| 11:20.06 | rahul | helix: which ones? |
| 11:20.14 | helix | rahul: any of them. i've never taken physics |
| 11:20.16 | zeeble | well, its 1649 hrs on Jan 1st here. Time to go and party once more |
| 11:20.18 | dangle | anyone use ratpoison? strangely i don't know if ctrl-alt-backspace is the only way to close it, anyone know? |
| 11:20.18 | madness | Zap-W: what cafuego said. |
| 11:20.22 | rahul | wtf |
| 11:20.25 | zeeble | rahul physics, you? |
| 11:20.27 | rahul | helix: damnit |
| 11:20.28 | helix | cafuego: you're supposed to wear it |
| 11:20.30 | helix | rahul: ? |
| 11:20.34 | rahul | zeeble: what? wjat e;lse? |
| 11:20.37 | cafuego | helix: On the inside, right? |
| 11:20.40 | rahul | helix: how dare you? |
| 11:20.41 | zeeble | rahul undergrad? |
| 11:20.45 | Zap-W | cafuego : that's why i want to offer, see if he can find holes for me |
| 11:20.51 | rahul | zeeble: nope |
| 11:20.53 | madness | Zap-W: or "Hi, unknown person who would like a box to attack other boxen to hide their tracks, would you like a free shell?" |
| 11:20.59 | helix | cafuego: yes, sure, whatever makes you happy. i support your decision no matter what. |
| 11:21.01 | rahul | zeeble: no formal education in QM |
| 11:21.04 | helix | rahul: how dare i what? |
| 11:21.11 | rahul | helix: notr understand |
| 11:21.23 | cafuego | helix: I can always use minions who support me. Now for my next fiendish plot...! |
| 11:21.35 | Zap-W | madness : hmm |
| 11:21.42 | helix | rahul: i tried. really. |
| 11:21.47 | rahul | helix: meh |
| 11:21.49 | helix | cafuego: i prefer to be called an onion |
| 11:21.58 | helix | rahul: give me a little credit. jeez.. |
| 11:21.58 | cafuego | rahul: I'm quite sober now and no longer high. |
| 11:22.07 | rahul | helix: so serioiusly, where did you get stiuck? |
| 11:22.10 | zeeble | rahul QM is still far away i guess, as in real QM |
| 11:22.20 | cafuego | helix: red/white/brown/spring/salad? |
| 11:22.25 | rahul | the quanta wnt me |
| 11:22.30 | helix | rahul: um.. well i haven't taken a lot of math classes either.. so basically none of the math makes sense to me |
| 11:22.34 | helix | cafuego: red |
| 11:22.39 | rahul | heh |
| 11:22.41 | cafuego | ooh, yum. |
| 11:22.51 | zeeble | helix well, you need only one decent math book |
| 11:22.54 | rahul | helix: qell, I can't help yoyu now :P |
| 11:22.58 | helix | cafuego: don't throw me in there with the fish |
| 11:23.00 | zeeble | well for intro |
| 11:23.09 | helix | zeeble: i have a lot of math books.. |
| 11:23.17 | cafuego | helix: There's nothing for it, I don't get ordered around by vegetables |
| 11:23.21 | zeeble | mathematical methods by arfken. its pretty easy |
| 11:23.25 | rahul | I have been waiting I have been waiting for you |
| 11:23.26 | helix | shucks |
| 11:23.32 | zeeble | i mean nice for an intro |
| 11:23.53 | helix | zeeble: what kind of math? or just an intro into mathematical thinking? |
| 11:23.55 | rahul | helix likeggettiong abused by veggies |
| 11:24.07 | helix | rahul: on the contrary. i abuse them |
| 11:24.12 | rahul | bah |
| 11:24.18 | rahul | helix: I love you too |
| 11:24.30 | helix | rahul: you smell bad |
| 11:24.37 | rahul | actually I don't |
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| 11:24.47 | zeeble | helix no. the full name fo teh book is mathematical methods for physicists. |
| 11:24.48 | helix | ha |
| 11:24.49 | rahul | dondelelcaro: I don't |
| 11:24.59 | rahul | dondelelcaro: I know better than to |
| 11:25.04 | cafuego | i need to go, my wife is bugging me |
| 11:25.04 | helix | zeeble: that probably assumes a certain level of mathematical understanding already.. |
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| 11:25.17 | rahul | wow itr's late |
| 11:25.19 | Tye_ | I really wouldn't recommend using a German Knoppix dist if you don't know German. It makes it a whole lot more difficult to understand the error messages ... |
| 11:25.21 | helix | cafuego: i'm going to email her and tell her you said tht |
| 11:25.28 | zeeble | helix well, high school maths, some calculus, series, probability, etc |
| 11:25.30 | dondelelcaro | rahul: well, early, for those of you in EST land... |
| 11:25.33 | helix | ack |
| 11:25.49 | zeeble | i am really off now. have a real nice time |
| 11:26.32 | rahul | meh |
| 11:26.37 | rahul | I'm almost alseekp |
| 11:26.45 | helix | @tuck rahul |
| 11:26.52 | rahul | awww |
| 11:27.03 | arauko | the module i810.ko is required for a i815 chipset??... i got compiled in agpgart and intel_agp, but sometimes X crashes, ideas?????????? |
| 11:27.06 | rahul | stupid cats |
| 11:27.13 | rahul | they make too much noise |
| 11:27.18 | helix | rahul: you have cats? |
| 11:27.21 | rahul | I thin kthey're having too muchsex |
| 11:27.29 | rahul | my apartment complex dows |
| 11:27.33 | helix | it's not breeding season |
| 11:27.40 | ayanshola | happy new year to all |
| 11:27.44 | rahul | well, the'y're loud |
| 11:27.46 | helix | ayanshola: same to you :) |
| 11:27.53 | ludwig | helix: it's breeding season all year round :) |
| 11:27.55 | helix | rahul: tomcats fighting probably |
| 11:27.57 | rahul | yeah HAPPT NEW TOYUR |
| 11:28.06 | rahul | helix: if yoyu say sp |
| 11:28.06 | helix | ludwig: in different parts of the world maybe |
| 11:28.18 | helix | kitten season is between like april and november in the US |
| 11:28.25 | ayanshola | et pour les français : bananier (bonne année) et patate sautée (bonne santée) à tous ;-) |
| 11:28.29 | helix | maybe september |
| 11:28.34 | rahul | helix: you're right |
| 11:28.44 | helix | i know |
| 11:28.47 | helix | i'm the cat lady |
| 11:28.47 | rahul | IN4 EO4HIW |
| 11:29.04 | helix | @tuck rahul again |
| 11:29.27 | rahul | UI;mn be drooling |
| 11:29.35 | oskie | does anyone understand this: http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/2004.htm |
| 11:29.53 | rahul | ok batter selpp |
| 11:29.59 | rahul | night helix, dondelelcaro |
| 11:30.02 | helix | oskie: jeez.. |
| 11:30.03 | dondelelcaro | rahul: night. |
| 11:30.07 | helix | night rahul |
| 11:30.18 | helix | oskie: that makes my eyes hurt |
| 11:30.41 | rahul | damn noisy cats |
| 11:30.42 | oskie | helix: i want to collect the symbols and make a game out of it! |
| 11:30.47 | qazix | rol |
| 11:30.50 | rahul | it's all yoyurfaoth helix |
| 11:30.50 | helix | oskie: weirdo |
| 11:30.52 | oskie | there's a page about Saddam too: http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/pc/angel/Saddam.htm |
| 11:30.56 | helix | rahul: it always is |
| 11:31.56 | helix | ms sans serif is one ugly font |
| 11:32.34 | dondelelcaro | oskie: I think they'r'e vying for ugly ass page of the decade... |
| 11:32.48 | dondelelcaro | hrm. superfluous 's there... |
| 11:33.00 | oskie | dondelelcaro: it looks like taipei to me... |
| 11:33.04 | dondelelcaro | t'h'e'y'r'e |
| 11:33.09 | helix | hshs |
| 11:33.10 | helix | um |
| 11:33.11 | helix | haha too |
| 11:33.26 | oskie | more beer for dondelelcaro |
| 11:34.48 | dondelelcaro | heh. Haven't had any beer tonight... |
| 11:35.14 | oskie | dondelelcaro :) what time is it though? |
| 11:35.30 | oskie | i'm soil according to this page: http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/LE.htm |
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| 11:37.02 | dondelelcaro | oskie: oh, I couldn't by beer here for another 2.5 hours... |
| 11:37.24 | dondelelcaro | oskie: dumbass CA rules with no ethanol sales between 2A and 6A |
| 11:37.34 | helix | it's the same in FL |
| 11:37.50 | dondelelcaro | I don't really understand the point, but whatever... |
| 11:38.04 | oskie | hehe..ok |
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| 11:40.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: which ones? |
| 11:40.18 | helix | ny trip in 2003 |
| 11:40.26 | helix | what bar/club was this? looks cool |
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| 11:40.42 | dondelelcaro | helix: that's cielo |
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| 11:41.00 | dondelelcaro | helix: a friend of mine took a bunch of those... was having fun with my camera... |
| 11:41.05 | helix | i'm going there next month.. maybe i'll stop by |
| 11:41.27 | LNM | can fips be used like partition magic? partition magic will not recognize my 2nd and 3rd hard drives. |
| 11:41.31 | dondelelcaro | I'm still a fan of http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2003/11_november/ny_trip_1115_11182003/008_twenty_one_countem_cameras_11172003.jpg |
| 11:41.42 | plush-dally | now why couldn'y my wifi card drivers install as nicely as my radeon 9700 drivers? |
| 11:41.48 | plush-dally | sheesh |
| 11:41.51 | helix | haha |
| 11:42.32 | dondelelcaro | the huge american flag says it all... |
| 11:42.57 | McQuaid | is there a way to make synaptic show older versions of software? i want to go back a version in a program |
| 11:43.18 | mosty | mcquaid: the debian package system doesn't work like that |
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| 11:43.40 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: you have to add a source for it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 11:43.52 | mosty | mcqaid, look through the debian package archives, what dondelelcaro said |
| 11:44.11 | McQuaid | ok |
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| 11:45.05 | plush-dally | twenty bucks says my audigy drivers will refuse to work regardless of what I do. :P |
| 11:45.08 | plush-dally | any takers? |
| 11:45.27 | plush-dally | but... it'll have to wait till morning.... errr.... afternoon... when i wake up... |
| 11:45.28 | McQuaid | hmm, is there any way to search them to see if one has the pkg i want before adding them to sources.list? |
| 11:45.36 | Zap-W | anyone know a site with snes roms? |
| 11:45.56 | McQuaid | your looking for snes roms in #debian... heh |
| 11:45.57 | mosty | mcquaid: google |
| 11:46.00 | ludwig | Zap-W: kazaa |
| 11:46.16 | Zap-W | ludwig : kazaa under linux , pain , old slow p2 box |
| 11:46.41 | McQuaid | i meant search what's listed at snapshot but i'll google around |
| 11:46.43 | Zap-W | download for me then upload it later? |
| 11:46.51 | oskie | Zap-W: try suprnova.org |
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| 11:47.05 | plush-dally | mmm.... suprnova..... dot.... org... *Drools* |
| 11:47.32 | Zap-W | ? |
| 11:47.39 | plush-dally | you'll prolly have to search google for a decent mirror to suprnova.org, though |
| 11:47.40 | Zap-W | bitorrent crap |
| 11:47.50 | plush-dally | bittorrent..... crap? |
| 11:47.51 | McQuaid | it bugs me zsnes wants 16 bit desktop or it crashes |
| 11:47.51 | ludwig | Zap-W: use giftd |
| 11:48.04 | McQuaid | i found the snes emus in linux are a little lacking |
| 11:48.07 | ludwig | it can connect to the kazaa network |
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| 11:48.11 | ludwig | apt-get install giftd |
| 11:48.27 | helix | dondelelcaro: this one almost looks like lava: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/planetary_alignment/venus_jiggly.jpg |
| 11:48.30 | oskie | Zap-W: any particular ROM you're looking for? |
| 11:48.32 | mosty | ludwig: no it can't |
| 11:48.45 | McQuaid | mosty yes it can |
| 11:48.54 | Zap-W | oskie : mario |
| 11:49.04 | ludwig | mosty: with libfasttrack-gift.deb it can |
| 11:49.10 | plush-dally | Zap-W which mario game? |
| 11:49.13 | plush-dally | RPG? |
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| 11:49.22 | Zap-W | oskie : super mario , and mario kart |
| 11:49.24 | mosty | is giftd the same thing as gift? because that hasn't been able to use the kazaa network since kazaa started using encrypted traffic, last i heard |
| 11:49.25 | oskie | Zap-W: find -type f | grep -i Mario | wc -l => 56 |
| 11:49.30 | div | ehm |
| 11:49.45 | Zap-W | where where |
| 11:50.08 | ludwig | # Debs for Kazaa network |
| 11:50.08 | ludwig | deb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack unstable main |
| 11:51.06 | knt | i've such a line at the end of /etc/syslog.conf: "*.* /dev/tty8", thus i could see the whole system messages under /dev/tty8. but yesterday i upgraded my stable debian to testing release and now when i enter the tty8 there were occured a blank screen. how can enable that feature again? |
| 11:51.49 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, that's a bad shot of the planetary alignment that happened a few years ago... |
| 11:51.56 | oskie | Zap-W: X-chat seems to have problems with resuming.. dunno what's wrong |
| 11:52.00 | dondelelcaro | helix: the digital camera I was using then sucked, and I didn't have a tripod... |
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| 11:52.15 | Zap-W | try again |
| 11:52.53 | Zap-W | you have a good upstream |
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| 11:53.13 | Zap-W | thanks |
| 11:53.23 | plush-dally | 7am... need sleep... but finally getting linux working.... |
| 11:53.23 | oskie | Zap-W: no prob :) |
| 11:53.25 | plush-dally | *groans* |
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| 11:53.43 | oskie | Zap-W: I hope they work .. I haven't tried them myself |
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| 11:54.37 | helix | dondelelcaro: ah.. do you have a camera you can attach to a telescope? |
| 11:55.38 | helix | plush-dally: that's how it goes sometimes :) |
| 11:56.29 | plush-dally | i hate it... and yet... on some deep level, i love it. |
| 11:57.38 | dondelelcaro | helix: the Nikon F2 I use from time to time can, but not my digital camera. |
| 11:57.40 | plush-dally | it's like this internal warm, fuzzy feeling |
| 11:57.44 | plush-dally | but then... that's probably my brain telling me that if i keep it awake any longer it's going to thrash me. |
| 11:57.54 | helix | dondelelcaro: so you have a telescope? |
| 11:58.04 | dondelelcaro | helix: nope. I know people who do though... |
| 11:58.27 | helix | i need to join an astronomy club or somethin |
| 11:58.27 | oskie | i wish i had a telescope .. so i could watch the starts. :P |
| 11:59.04 | plush-dally | all i've got is my university's observatory... i'm too poor to buy a decent telescope. |
| 11:59.28 | dondelelcaro | plush-dally: which uni? |
| 11:59.36 | plush-dally | University of Waterloo |
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| 12:03.43 | plush-dally | ... i can't install gnome because gnome-games gives me a parse error when it tries to install? |
| 12:03.54 | plush-dally | jeez... everything revolves around games... |
| 12:04.37 | oskie | plush-dally: sounds like a bug in the package.. |
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| 12:05.53 | plush-dally | WARNING: Failed to parse default value `' for schema (/schemas/apps/gtali/PlayerNames) |
| 12:06.06 | oskie | it's just a warning |
| 12:06.17 | McQuaid | hmm, now i'm having trouble connecting to fasttrack with gift |
| 12:06.43 | plush-dally | yeah, but then: touch: cannot touch `/car/games/glines.scores': no such file or directory |
| 12:06.56 | plush-dally | then i get a dpkg error processing gnome-games |
| 12:06.58 | McQuaid | running through the gift-setup again, is it OpenFT:Fasttrack ? |
| 12:07.02 | plush-dally | and it all falls apart |
| 12:07.10 | plush-dally | *car = var |
| 12:08.07 | plush-dally | then gnome-desktop-environment fails and then gnome fails |
| 12:08.28 | oskie | plush-dally: what's the name of the package that fails? you could always edit its postinst file and look for 'touch' |
| 12:08.57 | oskie | plush-dally: hm.. try running mkdir -p /var/games/ first |
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| 12:10.07 | Zap-W | how can i tell if my bash script is being executed by cron yes or no |
| 12:10.38 | chemicallyrelian | zap-w if your script makes any output, it will be mailed to that user. |
| 12:10.58 | Zap-W | how do i add permissions for a regular user to access I/O with svgalib |
| 12:11.14 | Zap-W | chemicallyrelian : it dosen't make any output |
| 12:11.32 | plush-dally | oskie: i still get the warning for the parse, but no more errors and everything seems to install fine otherwise, thanks :) |
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| 12:13.11 | michas | hi, is it right, that you can't do "apt-get install kde" under testing? (it seems, there are some packages missing?!) |
| 12:13.15 | McQuaid | ah cool got back on fasttrack again |
| 12:13.32 | Mave | michas: go #debian-kde and read wiki |
| 12:13.39 | McQuaid | is there a better gui than gifttoxic? something that will allow search more and find more sources etc.. |
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| 12:13.58 | michas | Mave: ok, thx. |
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| 12:14.40 | Mave | McQuaid: not in debian. search for apollon at apt-get.org maybe you can find a source |
| 12:14.41 | Noob-E | my debian install is giving me hell |
| 12:15.11 | McQuaid | ok thx |
| 12:15.20 | Noob-E | even tho i am booting from debian CD, when i tell the install i wish to have cd-rom as source for packages it says it can´t find the cd rom drive! |
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| 12:16.36 | Zap-W | Noob-E : you have to mount it |
| 12:17.01 | Noob-E | Zap-W i am in the menu system, i was not given such an option |
| 12:17.28 | Noob-E | or was i ? |
| 12:17.32 | Zap-W | the installer isnt very smart |
| 12:17.39 | Zap-W | i dont remember by heart |
| 12:17.44 | Noob-E | bah |
| 12:17.46 | Noob-E | this sicks |
| 12:17.47 | Zap-W | see if it's mounted |
| 12:17.53 | Zap-W | goto execute shell |
| 12:18.04 | Mave | it was mounting CD automagically iirc |
| 12:18.05 | Zap-W | type mount |
| 12:18.15 | Zap-W | beats me |
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| 12:18.20 | Noob-E | Zap-W. can i do that from the menu ?(execute shell) |
| 12:18.21 | RobotBebop | hey |
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| 12:18.54 | Mave | Noob-E: try to mount from shell until you mamage to do |
| 12:18.57 | Noob-E | and why isn´t eth0 working ? |
| 12:19.05 | Zap-W | it isn't ? |
| 12:19.08 | Noob-E | no |
| 12:19.11 | RobotBebop | i built the 2.6.0 kernel, following the instructions on kerneltrap, when i boot it stops and says it can't mount root on unknown block(0,0) |
| 12:19.17 | chemicallyrelian | eth0 hasn't work for my two debina installs |
| 12:19.24 | McQuaid | ya apollon looks pretty good, too bad no deb |
| 12:19.29 | chemicallyrelian | i had to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 12:19.32 | Noob-E | then i went to device drivers |
| 12:19.37 | Zap-W | you have to load the nic modules |
| 12:19.41 | Noob-E | and found my network card |
| 12:19.42 | ludwig | McQuaid: compile it :) |
| 12:19.54 | plush-dally | any recomendations for program to use for MSN under linux? |
| 12:19.55 | Noob-E | so that became eth01 |
| 12:19.57 | chemicallyrelian | yeah, you gotaa insmod your card too, which is a bastard. that has to go in /etc/modules |
| 12:19.59 | Noob-E | tried that |
| 12:20.01 | ludwig | i built a deb for my system, with the qt/kde dev libs |
| 12:20.02 | Mave | McQuaid: file a bug report as WNPP at bugsd.debian.org/wnpp |
| 12:20.02 | Noob-E | and system rebooted! |
| 12:20.07 | Zap-W | the installer is suposed to do that |
| 12:20.30 | Noob-E | Zap-W u can´t be serious :) |
| 12:20.35 | michas | hi, who can help me with a strange gpm-problem? (gpm works without problems with kernel 2.6 but does nothing under 2.4...) any idea? |
| 12:20.37 | chemicallyrelian | i'll be quiet for a bit cause i think Zap-W knows more about what eh installer does by default. |
| 12:20.44 | Mave | McQuaid: sorry bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 12:20.50 | McQuaid | ok |
| 12:21.12 | Zap-W | look , i don't remember having any problems with the installer , i just followed the steps |
| 12:21.14 | Noob-E | oh boy |
| 12:21.19 | Zap-W | where did you get stuck |
| 12:21.24 | Noob-E | me ? |
| 12:21.29 | Zap-W | yes |
| 12:21.32 | Noob-E | well |
| 12:21.34 | Noob-E | main problem |
| 12:21.39 | Noob-E | didn´t find eth0 |
| 12:21.41 | fpmc | I've been reading about java in the past hour or so. Seems like the official java jdk is not supported? (like javac) |
| 12:21.49 | Noob-E | eth01 caused the machine to reboot |
| 12:21.58 | Mave | fpmc: you can install and debianize it |
| 12:21.59 | fpmc | worse yet, seems like Swing is not even ported? |
| 12:22.04 | Noob-E | second problem, not finding CD drive |
| 12:22.29 | fpmc | Mave: ok that's good to know, so at least I know that the official jdk should work :) |
| 12:22.30 | Mave | fpmc: or use semi-offical blackdown.org packages |
| 12:22.36 | knt | i configured my network settings with netcardconfig program i copied from a knoppix cd. yesterday i upgraded my stabel debian to testing release; up from it, when i restart my computer it erases my network settings and i need to reconfigure them. where did i make a mistake? |
| 12:22.39 | fpmc | Mave: thank you |
| 12:22.44 | Mave | fpmc: np |
| 12:23.02 | mosty | knt: run netcardconfig again? |
| 12:23.18 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.23 | mosty | fpmc: just download it from java.sun.com and install it in /usr/local/ |
| 12:23.32 | Noob-E | anyway it shouldn´t be this troublesome |
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| 12:23.33 | fpmc | mosty: ok thank you |
| 12:23.34 | Zap-W | Noob-E : goto execute shell |
| 12:23.45 | Zap-W | type mount |
| 12:23.52 | knt | mosty: everytime i need to restart netcardconfig so it's a littlt bit dirty work :D |
| 12:23.54 | Zap-W | second , type ifconfig |
| 12:24.01 | Zap-W | and lsmod |
| 12:24.21 | Zap-W | tell me what you see more or less |
| 12:24.43 | Mave | knt: why don't you use usual /etc/network files (ifup) ? |
| 12:24.45 | mosty | knt, ok then the problem must be that netcardconfig doesn't save its settings anywhere because that makes no sense in knoppix. read the interfaces manpage |
| 12:24.47 | Noob-E | ok |
| 12:24.48 | Noob-E | brb |
| 12:25.23 | michas | Is there an easy way to install gnome? (or do i have to install all the small packages one by one?) |
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| 12:25.32 | knt | mosty: but before i upgraded to testing it to testing release it was saving them |
| 12:25.39 | fpmc | oh how stupid am I... there's a Linux package for java right in the java website!! |
| 12:25.48 | knt | Mave: because i don't know how to adjust them by uing these files. |
| 12:26.59 | mosty | knt, well you can't expect knoppix stuff to work properly in debian all the time, i guess |
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| 12:27.03 | Mave | knt: not very hard but I know you like doing things your own way so wish you good luck (honestly) with netcardconfig.. |
| 12:29.09 | mosty | knt: man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:31.36 | mosty | michas: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 12:35.23 | RobotBebop | i somehow managed to leave out IDE support in my kernel |
| 12:35.37 | RobotBebop | that's kinda important when the kernel actually resides on an IDE harddrive |
| 12:35.48 | ludwig | RobotBebop: i hear emacs is a good IDE |
| 12:35.53 | ludwig | maybe you can use that in your kernel :) |
| 12:36.13 | Mave | linux init=/usr/bin/emacs |
| 12:36.29 | McQuaid | hmm i found a source for apollon but i don't get this |
| 12:36.30 | RobotBebop | haha |
| 12:36.50 | McQuaid | it fails grabbing it and it's trying to get it from ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/kazit/debs/debs/apollon_0.9.1-1_i386.deb |
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| 12:37.00 | McQuaid | when it's actually at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/kazit/debs/apollon_0.9.1-1_i386.deb |
| 12:37.00 | RobotBebop | oh |
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| 12:37.02 | RobotBebop | look at this |
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| 12:37.17 | RobotBebop | now my kernel doesn't build. |
| 12:37.21 | ryuujin | I was wondering what 'Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel' means, while booting in dmesg means? |
| 12:37.32 | Mave | McQuaid: maybe your sources.list line is not appropriate |
| 12:37.36 | mizery | Does anyone happen to have a USB tv tuner card configured successfully? |
| 12:37.46 | McQuaid | deb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/kazit/debs ./ |
| 12:37.52 | McQuaid | remove the /debs i would think? |
| 12:38.28 | oskie | ryuujin: how much memory do you have? |
| 12:38.40 | no_maam_ | McQuaid: what are these for debs= |
| 12:38.56 | Mave | McQuaid: hm it looks ok but no harm from trying |
| 12:38.58 | RobotBebop | wow it doesn't take long to build a kernel |
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| 12:39.24 | McQuaid | going to try |
| 12:40.03 | ludwig | RobotBebop: i thought you said it couldn't build |
| 12:40.27 | Mave | McQuaid: problem is in Packages file of repository. |
| 12:40.37 | RobotBebop | ludwig: i missed another config option |
| 12:40.45 | tub_ | if I update my kernel to with 2.6 do I have to make any updates for services or daemons? |
| 12:40.50 | Mave | McQuaid: they set it up wrong. try sling manually and installing with dpkg -i |
| 12:40.54 | RobotBebop | apparently setup_ide_dma was undefined, so i went back and enabled bus-master DMA support |
| 12:40.58 | tub_ | pwd |
| 12:41.01 | Mave | McQuaid: s/sling/dling |
| 12:41.03 | RobotBebop | and now it built. |
| 12:41.13 | ludwig | McQuaid: just go in and grab the .deb yourself |
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| 12:41.19 | McQuaid | ok |
| 12:41.29 | RobotBebop | ij |
| 12:41.29 | RobotBebop | *ok |
| 12:41.32 | RobotBebop | time to try this again |
| 12:41.39 | J_P | morning all |
| 12:41.52 | ludwig | RobotBebop: is this another computer you're building? |
| 12:42.02 | RobotBebop | ludwig: no, dual-booting |
| 12:42.22 | Mave | McQuaid: actaully dl it to /var/cahe/apt/archives and use apt-get install again. dpkg -i will give you dependency problems |
| 12:42.24 | RobotBebop | giving linux another chance. |
| 12:42.35 | McQuaid | cool thx |
| 12:42.36 | RobotBebop | hopefully this works |
| 12:42.42 | mizery | I've been researching for 2 weeks trying to configure my ATI TV Wonder USB tv tuner but haven't had any luck. I'd like to get it working on my 2.6.0 kernel. Anyone have any ideas where to begin or can point me to a few resources that may be of any help? |
| 12:42.54 | McQuaid | i prefer to do with apt-get |
| 12:43.07 | Mave | McQuaid: and mail the owner of the repository about the problem preferably |
| 12:43.11 | McQuaid | good tip |
| 12:43.17 | McQuaid | will do |
| 12:43.19 | Mave | McQuaid: yep |
| 12:43.23 | mosty | mizery: google for other people using the device with linux |
| 12:43.50 | Mave | is ftp.de.debian.org down ? |
| 12:44.12 | mizery | mosty: I've done that. I've been searching daily, 10hrs/day for 2 weeks now |
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| 12:44.33 | ludwig | mizery: hence your nick? |
| 12:44.37 | mosty | mizery: maybe it's safe to assume it has no linux support then |
| 12:44.54 | multik | hello and HNY to all of you :) |
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| 12:44.58 | tub_ | If i update my kernel is there "a debian way" to update a kernel or is this way enough good http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Compiling_Kernels/Updating_a_Kernel.html |
| 12:45.24 | dondelelcaro | tub_: if you don't want to build your own kernel, just install a kernel-image. |
| 12:45.30 | dondelelcaro | tub_: if you do, use make-kpkg |
| 12:45.32 | ludwig | tub_: use make-kpkg |
| 12:46.32 | tub_ | dondelelcaro: no I don't think that I want to build a new one, even I have woody 3.0r2 it still has 2.2 kernel (how?) and ipchains, I need iptables for firewall |
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| 12:47.18 | troubled | dondelelcaro: s/yon westerners/everyone/ :) |
| 12:47.23 | fpmc | is /etc/profile executed if there is a .bash_profile script in the home directory? |
| 12:47.53 | tub_ | is this a good link if I want only install kernel-image: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 12:48.15 | McQuaid | Mave: i copied it to /var/cahe/apt/archives but getting Couldn't find package apollon when trying to install |
| 12:48.37 | Mave | McQuaid: there was a typo it will be /var/cache not /var/cahe |
| 12:49.03 | McQuaid | yes i have it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 12:49.53 | Mave | and you still have the source line in sources.list and run apt-get update ? |
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| 12:50.06 | McQuaid | doh i believe i commented it out |
| 12:50.07 | Mave | McQuaid: what does apt-cache policy apollon say ? |
| 12:50.10 | McQuaid | one sec |
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| 12:51.53 | McQuaid | ya that worked, it was cause i already commented the source out and updated |
| 12:51.56 | RobotBebop | well i got it to boot this time |
| 12:51.57 | McQuaid | thx again |
| 12:52.00 | RobotBebop | no net tho :( |
| 12:52.22 | Mave | McQuaid: you're welcome |
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| 12:53.29 | Active2 | how can i set a package on hold ? |
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| 12:55.09 | RobotBebop | i know i saw an error message in the boot |
| 12:55.33 | RobotBebop | isn't there any log files for the entire boot process? |
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| 12:57.06 | ludwig | RobotBebop: i've often wondered that |
| 12:57.29 | zeo33x | step |
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| 12:58.34 | colde89 | cold not find usbcore with dmesg any idea ?? |
| 12:58.41 | arauko | anyone knows a good appli for ftp??.. that shows status bar and such things? |
| 12:58.46 | tub_ | dondelelcaro: /quit |
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| 12:58.49 | ryuujin | oskie: 1024 mb dual channel rd 400FSB ram.. |
| 12:59.15 | RobotBebop | i remember i had to do something with DHCP when i upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 last time i had Linux installed |
| 12:59.16 | oskie | ryuujin: ok, maybe it recommends compiling the kernel with high memory support because you have so much memory |
| 12:59.56 | ryuujin | oskie: maybe, but compiling kernels isn't my favorite job.. last time something got fscked up and i had to reinstall everything :( |
| 13:00.02 | colde89 | how to compile usbcore in kernel ?? |
| 13:00.25 | ryuujin | usbcore? that's a module.. |
| 13:00.40 | oskie | ryuujin: well, i think you can safely ignore the message as long as the kernel sees that you have that much memory (check with free) |
| 13:00.54 | colde89 | ryuujin :: yes but i nne it to compile in kernel |
| 13:01.08 | ryuujin | oskie: 7xx mb ram free :) |
| 13:01.21 | oskie | ryuujin: total then? |
| 13:01.40 | ryuujin | oskie: 905 mb |
| 13:01.51 | oskie | ryuujin: hm strange.. should be 1024 |
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| 13:02.17 | ryuujin | oskie: well, dmesg reports: 905 MB LOWMEM kernel loaded. |
| 13:02.27 | colde89 | ryuujin :: wehre to get usbcore - module ?? |
| 13:02.38 | ryuujin | colde89: mine always had usbcore enabled.. |
| 13:02.48 | ryuujin | search google.. i dunno where that module is |
| 13:03.02 | ryuujin | !google usbcore module driver |
| 13:03.03 | oskie | ryuujin: if you want to use the other 121 MB of memory you probably need to recompile the kernel... |
| 13:03.08 | ryuujin | hum.. or not. |
| 13:03.17 | dpkg | Google says usbcore module driver is at http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0308.0/1554.html or http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0308.0/1555.html or http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-07/gear_03.html or http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2003-11/msg00289.html or http://www.linux.it/kerneldocs/usb/usb.html |
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| 13:03.42 | RobotBebop | ugh, i probably missed a config option again |
| 13:03.53 | ryuujin | oskie: hell no, not for that little amount of ram.. i don't even have a swap drive and only use 157 mb ram atm.. |
| 13:04.21 | oskie | ryuujin: making a custom kernel will always speed up your machine ... :) |
| 13:04.22 | colde89 | ruujin :: mine too, i thought but hotpülug replays that usbcore is not compiled in kernel, so how is usbcore called in kernel?? |
| 13:04.35 | colde89 | ruujin :: mine too, i thought but hotpülug replays that usbcore is not compiled in kernel, so how is usbcore called in kernel?? |
| 13:04.49 | ryuujin | it's ryuujin, fsck! |
| 13:05.12 | ludwig | ryuujin: dragon person? |
| 13:05.18 | ryuujin | usbcore is nearly always called usbcore.. |
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| 13:05.29 | ryuujin | ludwig: go get a decent dictionary; dragon king or dragon god. |
| 13:05.36 | colde89 | ryuujin :: mine too, i thought but hotpülug replays that usbcore is not compiled in kernel, so how is usbcore called in kernel?? |
| 13:05.44 | ludwig | ryuujin: it was just a guess. heh |
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| 13:06.12 | ryuujin | ludwig: http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dict |
| 13:06.17 | colde89 | ryuujin :: soory about messages .. |
| 13:06.26 | arauko | anyone knows a good appli for ftp??.. that shows status bar and such things? that allows me upload |
| 13:06.39 | DevilX | konqueror |
| 13:06.51 | ryuujin | uhm.. |
| 13:06.54 | DevilX | KBear |
| 13:06.55 | ryuujin | arauko: gftp. |
| 13:07.20 | arauko | ryuujin: thk, ill look at it |
| 13:07.42 | dondelelcaro | arauko: lftp |
| 13:07.57 | arauko | dondelelcaro: also check that, thanks |
| 13:08.04 | colde89 | ryuujin :: what i was say, thet i thougth that usbcore is compiled in kernel, do you know how the name of the modul usbcore is ?? ules |
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| 13:08.21 | ryuujin | colde89: what's your kernel version? |
| 13:08.37 | colde89 | ryuujin :: it is 2.4 |
| 13:08.47 | ryuujin | there's nothing like trance to make you feel good sitting at the computer again :) |
| 13:09.09 | ryuujin | colde89: which revision? 2.4.18-bf2.4, 2.4.20+ ? |
| 13:09.18 | DevilX | 2.4.11 :> |
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| 13:09.29 | colde89 | ryuujin :: the secound one .. |
| 13:09.36 | sillybilly | hi |
| 13:09.45 | ryuujin | fscking lag!!!~ |
| 13:09.54 | sillybilly | whats a good word processor? |
| 13:10.00 | DevilX | AbiWord |
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| 13:10.41 | dondelelcaro | sillybilly: ugh. You don't want a word processor. |
| 13:10.47 | dondelelcaro | sillybilly: you want an editor. |
| 13:11.24 | dondelelcaro | sillybilly: learn (x|)emacs or (n|)vi(|m) and LaTeX. You'll be glad you did. |
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| 13:11.53 | dondelelcaro | abcnew: read /topic. the answer is yes. |
| 13:11.55 | ludwig | the vim-latexsuite debian package is pretty good for that |
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| 13:12.15 | dondelelcaro | I personally like emacs with auctex, but it's a matter of personal preference. |
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| 13:12.49 | abcnew | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 13:12.59 | sillybilly | dondelelcaro:: Yeah but I wanna make a resume; I use emacs |
| 13:13.12 | colde89 | ryuujin :: know where to download the module ?? |
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| 13:13.37 | ryuujin | i hate fscking lag. |
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| 13:14.06 | dobby | where do i have to do the make-kpkg modules-image? in /usr/src/ or in dri directory if i want to install dri? |
| 13:14.11 | colde89 | ryuujin :: yep.. |
| 13:14.51 | ryuujin | 2.4.18.. you should really upgrade.. |
| 13:14.58 | dondelelcaro | abcnew: there are various websites on how to setup your XF86Config-4 correctly. Its not that difficult. |
| 13:15.12 | ryuujin | anyways, usbcore is compiled with 2.4.18 as far as i know.. |
| 13:15.19 | dondelelcaro | sillybilly: I personally use res for LaTeX, but YMMV. |
| 13:15.30 | ryuujin | unless of course you specify in the makefile that you don't wish to have it.. |
| 13:15.32 | DevilX | hmm... is there a kernel-image-2.6.0-smp for debian? |
| 13:15.35 | alexiii | I have a script that plays a movie with mplayer on the local computer. I want to start this script from a remote computer via openssh like "ssh user@remove /script" I've set the DISPLAY to ":0", what else do I need to do to make it ssh to the computer, start the script and have it running locally so that I can get back and exist my ssh session with the computer, and the script still running |
| 13:15.45 | ryuujin | DevilX: not even on unstable. |
| 13:15.56 | DevilX | damn |
| 13:16.39 | colde89 | ryuujin :: ok ... |
| 13:17.05 | ryuujin | alexiii: use x forwarding..? |
| 13:17.21 | ryuujin | or screen it... |
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| 13:18.00 | abcnew | dondelelcaro: i'm a nob |
| 13:18.01 | colde89 | ryuujin :: may be it could be, that usbcore is in ohci have uhci ... |
| 13:18.17 | alexiii | ryuujin: X forwarding? I want it to be display on the computer where the script is executed, and I wasn't sure if screen could handle graphics, but I'll go with that, thanks |
| 13:18.29 | ryuujin | colde89: usbcore is a module for itself; that's what enables usb on debian.. |
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| 13:18.45 | ryuujin | alexiii: screen the script.. |
| 13:19.07 | colde89 | ryuujin :: have compiled usb in kernel but still get the maessages .. |
| 13:19.09 | ryuujin | screen ./<moviescript>.sh |
| 13:19.12 | ryuujin | or whatever |
| 13:19.16 | Croepha | how do i add a server to NTP? |
| 13:19.22 | ryuujin | colde89: beats me.. |
| 13:19.38 | alexiii | Croepha: /etc/defaults/ntp-servers or something like that |
| 13:19.38 | ryuujin | Croepha: ntpdate? |
| 13:19.52 | alexiii | ryuujin: okay, thanks |
| 13:19.53 | ludwig | Croepha: /etc/ntp.conf |
| 13:20.01 | colde89 | ryuugin .. get out .. |
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| 13:20.27 | RobotBebop | arg. |
| 13:20.34 | TomaHawK | happy newyear ! |
| 13:20.35 | RobotBebop | how do you stop gdm from starting? |
| 13:20.47 | ryuujin | who was that colde thingy anyways? some wannabe? |
| 13:21.04 | js | RobotBebop: 'update-rc.d remove gdm' maybe |
| 13:21.25 | ryuujin | apt-get remove gdm.. |
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| 13:21.54 | ryuujin | it's the gnome desktop manager, right? |
| 13:21.59 | Croepha | alexiii, ludwig: there is no /etc/defaults/ntp-servers or /etc/ntp.conf |
| 13:22.00 | RobotBebop | ok, thanks. |
| 13:22.08 | applejack | http://paste.msunix.org/index.php?view=4152 |
| 13:22.08 | RobotBebop | exit |
| 13:22.09 | RobotBebop | er |
| 13:22.23 | applejack | two top processes, wjy do they always seem to use the same cpu? or am I mising something? |
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| 13:22.46 | applejack | kernel 2.4.23 |
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| 13:22.59 | ludwig | Croepha: install ntpd then |
| 13:23.06 | alexiii | Croepha: have you installed it at all? |
| 13:23.14 | ryuujin | applejack: because they do? |
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| 13:23.27 | arauko | when i compile the i810 driver i get the following = WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.0-bw/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko needs unknown symbol cmpxchg |
| 13:23.35 | arauko | do i need to enable other option? |
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| 13:23.40 | Croepha | alexiii, ludwig: i did an apt-get install ntp |
| 13:24.00 | ludwig | ntpd |
| 13:24.32 | tam | is there a way to burn a dmg on linux to make it bootable for mac os x? |
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| 13:26.00 | Croepha | alexiii, ludwig: Package ntpd has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list |
| 13:26.27 | ryuujin | apt-cache search ntpd |
| 13:26.32 | ryuujin | then find the right package.. |
| 13:28.14 | ryuujin | remember to use the one from your architecture (if that's an option) |
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| 13:29.20 | RobotBebop | ok |
| 13:29.28 | McQuaid | with 2.6 should i not use update-modules anymore? |
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| 13:29.51 | ryuujin | McQuaid: it doesn't hurt to do it, ay? |
| 13:30.10 | McQuaid | i don't know, it might hurt a little ;) |
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| 13:31.21 | ludwig | Croepha: hmm. install ntp-simple then |
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| 13:31.47 | McQuaid | just not sure with 2.6 to use update-modules or update-modules.modutils |
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| 13:32.12 | Croepha | i did this apt-get install ntpdate, but i still cant find any configuration |
| 13:32.19 | RobotBebop | whatever happened to XF86_SVGA ? |
| 13:32.44 | ludwig | try ntp-simple |
| 13:32.48 | ludwig | Croepha |
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| 13:33.14 | ryuujin | RobotBebop: nothing? it got moved to another mirror, nothing else.. |
| 13:33.21 | year_2003 | Croepha: Have you a ntp.conf file in /etc ? |
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| 13:34.12 | fpmc | Is there a way to install some of the unstable packages without tempering with dselect? Last time I did it I put unstable in the URLs and dselect forced me to install many of my programs with the unstable version |
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| 13:34.34 | fpmc | All I need is 2-3 programs |
| 13:34.46 | Croepha | year_2003, no there isn't, whitch is stupid, shouldn't apt-get put the config files in there for me!!! |
| 13:35.27 | RobotBebop | ryuujin, oh |
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| 13:35.47 | RobotBebop | i remember using it on FreeBSD |
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| 13:36.41 | ryuujin | omfg, what is the fscking point of moving from fbsd to debian?!?!?! |
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| 13:37.02 | Alex | ryuujin: Troll? |
| 13:37.08 | MattyT | coolness and dignity |
| 13:37.13 | RobotBebop | ryuujin, when did i say i was moving from FreeBSD ? |
| 13:37.26 | ryuujin | well.. nevermind.. O.o |
| 13:37.26 | RobotBebop | i said i used it on FreeBSD |
| 13:37.30 | RobotBebop | christ |
| 13:37.40 | ryuujin | well, i took it you didn't have fbsd anymore. |
| 13:37.46 | RobotBebop | no, i don't. |
| 13:37.52 | RobotBebop | i had it installed quite a while ago actually. |
| 13:38.26 | RobotBebop | prolly be best if i just installed the nVidia crap |
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| 13:42.24 | mrwoody | hi... does anyone know a good software to organize a lot of pictures in different "albums" |
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| 13:45.19 | oskie | is Asa a male or female name? |
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| 13:45.58 | ryuujin | Asa.. well.. what about transsexual? O.o |
| 13:46.09 | Alex | mrwoody: Gallery(.sf.net) for web. Do a search on sf.net or freshmeat.net for a desktop one. :) |
| 13:46.28 | oskie | yeah, Åsa in Sweden is a 100% female name... |
| 13:47.07 | mrwoody | Alex: thanks.. what do you mean by a desktop one? |
| 13:47.23 | Alex | non-web. :) |
| 13:47.24 | mrwoody | Alex: isn't there a debian package? |
| 13:47.43 | THC-LucidDream | I'm trying to dual boot Linux and Windows without Windows taking forever to recognize the ext2 drive (it actually times out every boot)... I hear putting a fat32 partition at the beginning of the linux drive will make windows see it as a windows drive with just one partition... does this sound right? if so, how can I repartition the drive linux is on (hdb)? (partition magic isn't working) |
| 13:47.50 | mrwoody | Alex: a search of what on freshmeat? |
| 13:48.02 | THC-LucidDream | Windows 2000 (hda) |
| 13:48.06 | Alex | mrwoody: Use your imagination. |
| 13:48.25 | mrwoody | Alex: ? |
| 13:49.22 | mrwoody | Alex: gallery cannot be used as a "desktop one"? |
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| 13:52.07 | Noob-E | urgent i need the names for the packages to able to compile c/c++ , and to install X |
| 13:52.10 | Noob-E | packages.debian.org is down |
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| 13:53.43 | oskie | Noob-E: gcc-3.3, make? |
| 13:53.48 | baz | Noob-E: apt-get install cpp I think |
| 13:53.54 | zophyx | happy newyear |
| 13:54.24 | oskie | happy new year to you too |
| 13:54.29 | Noob-E | what about for X ? |
| 13:55.14 | baz | Noob-E: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 13:56.03 | Noob-E | ok so gcc-3.3 make and cpp is what i need for c++/c ? |
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| 13:57.17 | oskie | Noob-E: g++-3.3 |
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| 13:57.51 | Noob-E | okidok |
| 13:57.52 | Noob-E | brb :) |
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| 13:58.02 | Croepha | is this right? Tue Dec 23 09:08:59 PST 2003 |
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| 13:58.27 | Noob-E | btw these files r located on the firdt debian CD right ? |
| 13:58.32 | Noob-E | first |
| 13:58.33 | simonrvn | Noob-E: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 13:59.28 | Noob-E | this stuff is on the first CD right ? |
| 13:59.43 | Croepha | how do i change the time zone that my box uses? |
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| 14:00.09 | tarzeau | i should add that to the faq, does someone know the time zone answer? |
| 14:00.16 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 14:00.32 | dendrite | tzsetup (8) - set the local timezone |
| 14:00.41 | simonrvn | Noob-E: man find man xargs |
| 14:01.02 | tarzeau | dendrite: thanks, added |
| 14:01.13 | ludwig | alright. i want to give emacs a chance. how do i customize this monster |
| 14:01.20 | tarzeau | ludwig: #emacs ? |
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| 14:01.53 | ludwig | tarzeau: ah. slipped my mind :) |
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| 14:02.07 | ludwig | this is quite a network |
| 14:02.08 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
| 14:02.19 | Noob-E | i hate answers that include the words google or man |
| 14:02.19 | Noob-E | :) |
| 14:02.19 | greycat | hi |
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| 14:02.38 | greycat | Noob-E: RTFdocumentation |
| 14:03.06 | baz | Noob-E: you're probably in the wrong channel then |
| 14:03.11 | Noob-E | nope |
| 14:03.15 | Noob-E | i will get used to it |
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| 14:04.39 | RobotBebop | so he leaves anyways |
| 14:04.47 | tarzeau | bob2: 1 bob2 14125597827140.3Today"trailertrash: /msg apt hold" |
| 14:04.55 | tarzeau | bob talked 141255 lines in 2003 |
| 14:05.00 | tarzeau | and he said 978271 words! |
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| 14:05.06 | tarzeau | bob2: IRC ADDICTED! |
| 14:05.12 | tarzeau | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian2003.html |
| 14:05.19 | simonrvn | almost 1 million words.. wow |
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| 14:05.48 | sussudio | greycat: thank you. |
| 14:06.06 | ludwig | someone let him know apt is a bot :) |
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| 14:06.08 | GunZ | tievery time i try and use cdrecord to burn my iso it tells me that i dont have a cd in the drive when i have put brand new cd-rw in the drive, why does it keep sayingthis? |
| 14:06.24 | simonrvn | and i'm #2... |
| 14:06.31 | greycat | GunZ: maybe it's looking at the wrong drive? or you haven't got ide-scsi working? |
| 14:06.32 | dobby | hello i would really like DRI to work on my laptop. I have a ati Radeon M6-LY. I installed the packages from sourceforge, (dri-trunk packages) but it just does not work. Did someone use successfully DRI on a radeon card? |
| 14:06.36 | RobotBebop | i'm not getting net access in 2.6.0 |
| 14:06.43 | tarzeau | simonrvn: don't worry you aren't an irc addict |
| 14:06.47 | tarzeau | simonrvn: only bob2 is |
| 14:06.48 | RobotBebop | GunZ, or your CDR drive doesn't like CDRW discs ? |
| 14:06.50 | simonrvn | sussudio: woops.. sowwy.. |
| 14:07.01 | baz | RobotBebop: what does ifconfig say? |
| 14:07.09 | RobotBebop | baz: it just gives me the loopback |
| 14:07.20 | madness | sussudio: so xenysis wins "mood swing" award ? |
| 14:07.24 | RobotBebop | i've added alias eth0 via-rhine |
| 14:07.27 | baz | RobotBebop: and you definitely built support for your nic? |
| 14:07.45 | RobotBebop | i built in NE2000 and built VIA-Rhine as a module |
| 14:07.45 | baz | RobotBebop: does lsmod show via-rhine? |
| 14:07.49 | RobotBebop | nope |
| 14:07.56 | baz | modprobe via-rhine |
| 14:07.57 | greycat | RobotBebop: try "modprobe via-rhine" |
| 14:08.00 | RobotBebop | i did that |
| 14:08.05 | GunZ | greycat, RobotBebop: its not looking at the wrong drive beucase i have used the right scanbus, target, and lun, i have ide-scsi, and i have tried with cd-r and cd-rw |
| 14:08.09 | baz | any error message? |
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| 14:08.25 | RobotBebop | baz: nope, just displays what it found |
| 14:08.28 | greycat | GunZ: then it could be a drive-media conflict |
| 14:08.37 | GunZ | greycat: what is that? |
| 14:08.49 | greycat | GunZ: drive doesn't like the media, or vice versa |
| 14:08.52 | ryuujin_ | How do i enable hyperthreading on debian? |
| 14:08.54 | GunZ | btw its external usb cdw |
| 14:09.14 | GunZ | but i have used these cds b4 |
| 14:09.18 | sussudio | ryuujin: isn't that a processor feature? |
| 14:09.19 | GunZ | i think |
| 14:09.27 | RobotBebop | i'll see if i can build rhine support into the kernel |
| 14:09.35 | ryuujin | sussudio: yes, but it needs to be enabled.. |
| 14:09.37 | baz | RobotBebop: you have 2 nics? |
| 14:09.39 | greycat | sussudio: a marketing gimmick, methinks |
| 14:10.00 | madness | ryuujin: in the kernel config. |
| 14:10.02 | GunZ | greycat: what is a "Generic CCS disk" |
| 14:10.04 | RobotBebop | baz: Yah, i have a NIC card and my on-board one that i'm using right now |
| 14:10.07 | sussudio | greycat: does it actually mean or do anything? |
| 14:10.18 | greycat | RobotBebop: then don't you think "alias eth1 via-rhine" would work better? |
| 14:10.19 | madness | sussudio: it allows you to treat one processor as two |
| 14:10.21 | GunZ | greycat: thats what it tells me at the end |
| 14:10.28 | ryuujin | madness: which would be? isn't it just a module that should be enabled? |
| 14:10.28 | greycat | GunZ: don't know |
| 14:10.29 | sussudio | madness: and? |
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| 14:10.46 | RobotBebop | greycat: er, isn't that what i typed ? |
| 14:10.59 | greycat | 09:07 RobotBebop> i've added alias eth0 via-rhine |
| 14:11.02 | RobotBebop | oh :) |
| 14:11.04 | RobotBebop | i meant eth1 |
| 14:11.06 | madness | sussudio: I think there are some elements of the processor that are doubled up or so and *aparently* it means better performance in some operations. I don't know whether that's truth or marketing. |
| 14:11.20 | madness | sussudio: and I'm also not particularly clued about it |
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| 14:11.28 | greycat | RobotBebop: anyway, I never use aliases for that. I just put the drivers in /etc/modules |
| 14:11.59 | The_Shit`SaD | olei |
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| 14:12.13 | sussudio | i got 3 p2 boards with 266mhz boxed cpu's... one of the boards wouldn't boot. couldn't figure out what the hell it was. seems the bios got corrupted somehow :-P since i had 2 identical boards, i just hotswapped the bioses without blowing anything up and now it works again. |
| 14:12.27 | madness | sussudio: weirdness :P |
| 14:12.31 | sussudio | Piggy's getting an upgrade soon. |
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| 14:12.41 | sussudio | madness: yes the stupid thing is that it went through half of its POST |
| 14:12.47 | madness | sussudio: muppets naming scheme ? |
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| 14:13.01 | sussudio | madness: no, just animals |
| 14:13.05 | madness | oh okay :P |
| 14:13.10 | RobotBebop | at least i'll remember all this next time i rebuild a kernel |
| 14:13.13 | tam | guys, got a problem...i done umount -a and now when i type 'w' i get this error Error: /proc must be mounted so i followed what it says and still didn't work so i copied the same /etc/fstab line from my other box and it still doesn't work...any ideas? |
| 14:13.36 | greycat | tam: "mount /proc" didn't fix it? |
| 14:13.41 | sussudio | btw i thought intel introduced processor ID's with pentium 3's? seems like these pentium 2's have ID's too. |
| 14:13.43 | madness | ryuujin: not a module, I think it needs to be in the kernel |
| 14:13.44 | The_Shit`SaD | ae nekoi ot bg |
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| 14:14.00 | ryuujin | madness: it is.. |
| 14:14.02 | madness | ryuujin: I've built one to do that before, but I can't remember the option off the top of my head. |
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| 14:14.09 | tam | greycat: nope |
| 14:14.47 | tam | greycat: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none or too many mounted file systems |
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| 14:14.51 | madness | tam: and what is your proc mountline ? |
| 14:14.55 | madness | tam: in your fstab ? |
| 14:15.03 | GunZ | ffs i d/l this file and now i cant burn it in linux, or copy it to windows using explore2fs |
| 14:15.10 | madness | tam: something like > proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 14:15.12 | ryuujin | madness: Dec 29 01:57:14 ryuuguu kernel: Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 enabled. |
| 14:15.14 | madness | ? |
| 14:15.35 | madness | ryuujin: that's SMP, not HT, though, right ? |
| 14:15.36 | tam | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 14:15.54 | ryuujin | madness: yeah.. but it has the same function, right? |
| 14:15.59 | tam | i wonder if it is cos of the umount -a |
| 14:16.00 | madness | tam: recompiled a kernel without proc support recently ? (can you even do that ??) |
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| 14:16.20 | tam | madness: nope. no kernel upgrade for months |
| 14:16.32 | madness | GunZ: do you have a question, or are you cursing for the sake of it ? |
| 14:16.36 | knt | hi all, when i try to install php4-pgsql taking such an err: "php4-pgsql: Depends: libpgsql2 (>= 7.2) but it is not installable", how can i fix that err (i'm using a testing debian) |
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| 14:16.49 | tam | Aug 2 was last time i upgraded |
| 14:16.52 | tam | madness: ^ |
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| 14:17.02 | knt | whois madness |
| 14:17.02 | madness | knt: find out what's stopping libpgsql being installed. |
| 14:17.13 | madness | knt: you need a / before that. |
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| 14:17.26 | GunZ | madness: i asked my question b4 but nobody could solve it |
| 14:17.30 | prologic | How do you read a list of changes before upgrading packages ? |
| 14:17.40 | madness | GunZ: how long ago did you ask it ? |
| 14:17.41 | tarzeau | prologic: apt-listchanges |
| 14:17.46 | knt | madness: "However the following packages replace it: libpqpp libpq3 libpgeasy-dev" (i installed them too but nothing changed) |
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| 14:17.58 | revengeslayer | help! what rule should i use todo the following: i got LAN1 and LAN2 as interface, how is it possible to prevent packets from LAN1 interface to go to the LAN2 interface?? |
| 14:18.02 | prologic | tarzeau, yeah, how exactly, I've looked through it's command options and can't seem to grab the changelogs |
| 14:18.04 | madness | GunZ: if it's been a significant amount of time, perhaps you might trying asking it politely again. |
| 14:18.17 | greycat | madness: it's been about 5-10 minutes |
| 14:18.19 | prologic | tarzeau, it mails them to me when I do an upgrade, but that's too late. |
| 14:18.30 | GunZ | madness: ok every time i try and use cdrecord to burn my iso it tells me that i dont have a cd in the drive when i have put brand new cd-rw in the drive, why does it keep saying this? |
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| 14:18.34 | madness | in which case he needs more patience. :P |
| 14:18.36 | RobotBebop | i am sofa king we todd did |
| 14:18.53 | RobotBebop | all i really had to do was build rhine support into my kernel |
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| 14:19.24 | RobotBebop | i've spent the last 3 hours fighting with my kernel |
| 14:19.31 | madness | GunZ: iirc, (though I don't have much experience with this) you need ide-scsi support in your kernel to use cdrecord. do you have this ? |
| 14:19.40 | madness | (with all except the newest kernels, I think) |
| 14:20.04 | Zap-W | zzzzzz2 |
| 14:20.08 | GunZ | madness: i have 2.4.23, but it is compiled as a module |
| 14:20.16 | madness | GunZ: ide-scsi ? |
| 14:20.20 | prologic | GunZ, is it loaded ? |
| 14:20.21 | madness | GunZ: and is that module loaded ? |
| 14:20.51 | GunZ | yes it is |
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| 14:21.34 | arauko | why this message comes up = WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.0-bw/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko needs unknown symbol cmpxchg |
| 14:21.41 | arauko | compiling 2.6 modules |
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| 14:21.49 | knt | can't i install php4-pgsql on a testing debian release? |
| 14:21.57 | madness | knt: try updating your system |
| 14:22.09 | madness | knt: it maybe that the broken dependency has been fixed since then |
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| 14:22.34 | madness | knt: this of course is the disadvantage to using testing or unstable releases. |
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| 14:22.53 | prologic | madness, well unstable definately :) |
| 14:23.05 | madness | prologic: yes, and testing to a lesser degree |
| 14:23.12 | prologic | *nods* |
| 14:23.23 | prologic | me wonders when testing will begin the freezing process |
| 14:23.24 | RobotBebop | the mouse in KDE is so fast now |
| 14:23.27 | prologic | probably not anytime soon |
| 14:23.29 | fpmc | I just installed program 'kdessh', but neither can I use it, nor can I find any documents about it. I was assuming that since it's a KDE front-end, I should be able to run it from the KMenu? |
| 14:23.33 | madness | prologic: who knows :P |
| 14:23.37 | fpmc | anyone can help |
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| 14:23.38 | RobotBebop | i've got acceleration and threshhold down to 1 |
| 14:23.39 | fpmc | ? |
| 14:23.52 | prologic | madness, lol :) oh well, testing is pretty good though |
| 14:23.54 | madness | fpmc: perhaps it's to do with the fish kio-slave ? |
| 14:24.05 | madness | prologic: depends on your task. |
| 14:24.13 | prologic | true :) |
| 14:24.22 | madness | prologic: I wouldn't use anything but stable on production servers |
| 14:24.25 | fpmc | madness: sorry but what is kio-slave? |
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| 14:24.42 | prologic | madness, I have before with no problems, but you're right. safer bet with stable. |
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| 14:25.30 | madness | fpmc: a kio-slave is a something that allows kde to access certain types of resources through konqueror and kde programs. so for example, the fish kio-slave allows you to treat scp enabled hosts as remote filesystems inside KDE programs |
| 14:25.35 | madness | fpmc: quite useful. |
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| 14:25.51 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 14:25.55 | lkthomas | anyone using spamassassin ? |
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| 14:25.57 | rsd | hi |
| 14:26.10 | prologic | lkthomas, it's a wonderfull tool :) |
| 14:26.15 | madness | lkthomas: people are using spamassassin, if you have a question, you should ask it. |
| 14:26.17 | fpmc | madness: does that mean that my kdessh program should be 'integrated' somehow in konqueror? |
| 14:26.28 | madness | fpmc: if that's what kdessh is. |
| 14:26.32 | rsd | how can i see what new version numbers of programs APT wants to upgrade when i do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 14:26.44 | lkthomas | when I am using sa-learn, it said that file size limit exceeded |
| 14:26.47 | lkthomas | any idea why ? prologic |
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| 14:26.50 | fpmc | madness: ok I'll try to find out |
| 14:26.53 | prologic | rsd: maybe do a simulation upgrade ? |
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| 14:27.17 | prologic | rsd: actually even apt-get upgrade, will list the packages and ask you whether you want to continue. |
| 14:27.25 | madness | fpmc: and the ssh kio-slave is used with fish://user@host/ in any KDE program. |
| 14:27.28 | rsd | prologic: yes but i want to see version numbers |
| 14:27.36 | prologic | lkthomas, possibly because it has, check the spamd configuration file |
| 14:27.42 | arauko | why this message comes up = WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.0-bw/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko needs unknown symbol cmpxchg |
| 14:27.42 | arauko | compiling 2.6 modules |
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| 14:27.54 | fpmc | madness: ok so kio-slave is just like SSH? |
| 14:28.05 | prologic | rsd, do an apt-get update, and check the version numbers yourself, apt-cache show <package> I don't really know of an automated way of doing it. |
| 14:28.14 | rsd | prologic: ok thanks |
| 14:28.16 | madness | fpmc: it uses SSH as a remote filesystem, if the host allows scp/sftp |
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| 14:28.28 | fpmc | madness: I think I get it now, thank you |
| 14:28.33 | madness | fpmc: np. |
| 14:28.34 | prologic | arauko, haven't people told you not to ask questions about the 2.6 kernel ? it's full of bugs atm :) |
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| 14:28.58 | arauko | prologic: but wi got i810.ko working nice on other system |
| 14:29.02 | knt | madness: still taking same error (i typed apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 14:29.10 | arauko | prologic: im compiling for other system and it shows up that |
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| 14:29.28 | madness | knt: then perhaps it is currently broken. |
| 14:29.38 | knoppix | HALLO |
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| 14:29.40 | madness | knt: check if a bug report has been submitted. |
| 14:29.46 | prologic | arauko, well if this is a stock kernel, then there's been an error, wait for the bug to be fixed |
| 14:29.49 | madness | knt: and if it hasn't, then submit one. |
| 14:29.57 | knt | madness: so what kind of a testing release it is. we cannot install a php4-pgsql, it has to be a release critical bug. what can i do with a server os that was unable to install a server side language |
| 14:30.10 | VoX | how do i propogate the apt-get sources list? |
| 14:30.12 | madness | knt: that's why it's a testing release. |
| 14:30.17 | madness | knt: can you not read ? |
| 14:30.43 | madness | knt: if you want things to work and have stability guaranteed, you use stable. |
| 14:30.50 | arauko | prologic: but works fine in my other kernel, a custom |
| 14:30.55 | dendrite | knt: The 'testing' flavor of debian is probably the _worst_ flavor to use in production. |
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| 14:31.10 | OwO | Happy New Year, everyone. |
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| 14:31.16 | madness | OwO: and to you. |
| 14:31.17 | knt | dendrite: but what if i don't want to use ancient packages in stable release? |
| 14:31.17 | titou | u 2 OwO :) |
| 14:31.24 | dendrite | knt: stable plus backports is usually what's done. |
| 14:31.31 | madness | knt: then you use backports, or you build yourself. |
| 14:31.50 | prologic | arauko, well I can't help you much, I haven't yet tried the 2.6 kernel and don't intend to till 2.6.1 comes out |
| 14:31.50 | knt | madness: building my self seems the best |
| 14:31.54 | VoX | ..anyone? |
| 14:31.55 | arauko | prologic: ive been using since test4 without any problem |
| 14:32.05 | arauko | prologic: just that i can`t see what im missing here |
| 14:32.07 | OwO | Is it relatively easy to upgrade an existing Debian Woody system from 2.4.18 to a 2.6.0 kernel ? |
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| 14:32.31 | dendrite | OwO: "Relatively easy?" no. |
| 14:32.47 | prologic | OwO, definately not! |
| 14:32.50 | madness | woody doesn't have module-init-tools, does it ? |
| 14:32.59 | OwO | dendrite - The HOWTO at LinuxPlanet has given me errors before. |
| 14:33.16 | madness | OwO: you wouldn't really want to mix the stability of a woody system with the unproven 2.6 kernel, surely ?> |
| 14:33.18 | lkthomas | prologic, which line for limiting file size ? |
| 14:33.23 | greycat | madness: no, you'd need it backported |
| 14:33.27 | VoX | how do i propogate the apt-get sources list, or find a listing of the exact paths to insert into sources.list? |
| 14:33.36 | greycat | VoX: www.apt-get.org |
| 14:33.47 | prologic | lkthomas, no idea :) look in the man page |
| 14:33.47 | greycat | VoX: or just run "apt-setup" if you only want official sources |
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| 14:33.52 | madness | greycat: thought not |
| 14:33.53 | OwO | madness - Well, I'd like to get ALSA working properly and ATAPI CDRW doesn't work ufor me under 2.4.18 |
| 14:33.54 | VoX | sweet |
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| 14:34.26 | fpmc | madness: thanks for your helpful hints. Another question now, do you know if there's a command line ssh that can allow me to easily transfer files between me and server? |
| 14:34.27 | revengeslayer | anyone good with iptables ? |
| 14:34.29 | OwO | There are several other areas that I'd like to get working as well |
| 14:34.39 | noo-B | yes |
| 14:34.39 | greycat | ~tell revengeslayer about ask |
| 14:34.42 | fpmc | madness: of course I can use kiofish |
| 14:34.42 | noo-B | i am online! |
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| 14:35.03 | noo-B | lol |
| 14:35.08 | noo-B | ok im using bitchx |
| 14:35.11 | noo-B | but nevertheless |
| 14:35.11 | noo-B | :) |
| 14:35.18 | dendrite | fpmc: scp |
| 14:35.23 | madness | OwO: use OSS if alsa, use ide-scsi. If you want to use 2.6 desperately - be aware it's unproven, and you'd probably be better off running a testing or unstable distro (which have all sorts of problems of their own) - of course, never do this on a production server. |
| 14:35.26 | fpmc | dendrite: thank you |
| 14:35.31 | madness | OwO: or find a backport of module-init-tools |
| 14:35.36 | madness | fpmc: scp |
| 14:35.45 | fpmc | madness: thank you |
| 14:35.48 | noo-B | ok fellow debianites, how do i tell apt to stop using cdrom as source, i want to use some http |
| 14:36.03 | revengeslayer | ~ i have a simple question: how can i prevent packets from eth0 to eth1? because eth0 is connected to internet and eth1 to local network, and i don't want people to send packets from eth0 to eth1, anyone can tell me what todo with iptables? |
| 14:36.05 | | revengeslayer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 14:36.05 | dendrite | noo-B: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:36.08 | madness | noo-B: man sources.list |
| 14:36.09 | OwO | madness - OSS is emulation, no ? |
| 14:36.15 | sussudio | ~tell noo-B about enter |
| 14:36.19 | madness | OwO: hmmm ? |
| 14:36.37 | lkthomas | prologic, do you mind to help me ?! |
| 14:36.38 | noo-B | dendrite: i dont know the source by hand, during install i got prompted for a list |
| 14:36.42 | lkthomas | spamd -c |
| 14:36.50 | lkthomas | File size limit exceeded |
| 14:36.54 | noo-B | dendrite is there some way to "fetch" a list ? |
| 14:36.58 | lkthomas | user_perf = 0bit |
| 14:36.59 | madness | noo-B: apt-setup , iirc. |
| 14:37.09 | noo-B | ok |
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| 14:37.16 | OwO | OSS is currently used in 2.4 kernels and its emulated in 2.6 if I recall ciorrectly. |
| 14:37.33 | madness | OwO: yes. I was suggesting that you don't use 2.6 on woody. |
| 14:37.34 | OwO | ALSA is standard in 2.6 |
| 14:37.40 | OwO | Ah |
| 14:38.29 | chemicallyrelian | is alsa going to support irq and dma based access in 2.6? |
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| 14:39.00 | chemicallyrelian | wolf-et won't work with my ymf44pci but will with a sb set with irq+dma |
| 14:39.21 | OwO | madness - So, a better approach might be to use Sarge anmd then upgrade to a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 14:39.53 | madness | OwO: if you are prepared to deal with the disadvantages inherent in a system marked "testing", yes. |
| 14:40.10 | madness | OwO: I would do so for a desktop, but not for a server |
| 14:40.34 | OwO | madness - Excellent replies. Thank you. |
| 14:40.39 | madness | sussudio: I still have one or two 2.2 boxen too. I didn't even start moving to 2.4 until 2.4.16/17 or so |
| 14:40.48 | RobotBebop | http://www.minion.de/nvidia.html <-is it safe to use the nvidia installers listed under Download B with Debian ? |
| 14:40.49 | madness | OwO: no problem. |
| 14:40.57 | sussudio | madness: i see no reason for 2.4 |
| 14:41.03 | greycat | madness: that's earlier than I did. I wouldn't touch 2.4 until 2.4.18. |
| 14:41.16 | OwO | This is indeed for a stand alone PC |
| 14:41.17 | madness | greycat: yeah. |
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| 14:41.30 | OwO | So, Sarge seems a reasonable approach |
| 14:41.31 | lilliput | Hi all Happy new Year 2004 |
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| 14:42.00 | dendrite | OwO: Note that sarge is rather slow with security updates. |
| 14:42.02 | RobotBebop | this is strange |
| 14:42.04 | madness | greycat: I think it was most likely 17. |
| 14:42.22 | RobotBebop | make-kpkg doesn't exist on my system it seems |
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| 14:42.57 | greycat | RobotBebop: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 14:43.27 | lilliput | just a question for apt-get .. at each time I upgrade my system, he wants me to re-install kernel-source or image .. How shhould I do to "prevent" against iit ..? |
| 14:43.49 | RobotBebop | greycat : will that work with 2.6 ? |
| 14:44.03 | tolix | how can i watch telnet session with a sniffit |
| 14:44.18 | Sebulba02 | ethereal, tcpdump, etc.. |
| 14:44.19 | tolix | for example ip: 123 to ip:456 |
| 14:44.23 | greycat | RobotBebop: if you have module-init-tools, it should. I think. |
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| 14:44.32 | RobotBebop | greycat: thanks again |
| 14:44.41 | RobotBebop | greycat: for some reason i was thinking it was an nvidia thing |
| 14:44.48 | RobotBebop | the kernel-package |
| 14:44.54 | fpmc | If I 'ssh' into my server, is there a hostname for my own machine that I can use scp for? |
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| 14:45.28 | Noo-B | how do i configure X, tool name ? |
| 14:45.32 | greycat | fpmc: why would you use scp on localhost? |
| 14:45.38 | madness | fpmc: if your machine has a DNS entry, but why do it that way around ? |
| 14:45.38 | greycat | Noo-B: /msg apt set up x |
| 14:45.48 | madness | greycat: I don't think that's what he means. I read it like that first too. |
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| 14:46.10 | madness | greycat: I think he means "I'm ssh'd into a host, and want to scp things back to my machine". |
| 14:46.24 | greycat | madness: "my machine which has a dynamic/unresolvable IP", I suppose |
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| 14:46.33 | b0ef | does linux-2.6 have a compile option for posix 1.e capabilities or do I have to change the capabilities.h again?. |
| 14:46.33 | fpmc | madness: yes that's what I meant |
| 14:46.36 | madness | greycat: *nods* |
| 14:46.52 | madness | fpmc: why not just copy stuff using scp directly from your host ? |
| 14:46.58 | greycat | fpmc: you can always use the IP address. scp foo.bar 100.102.102.103:/tmp |
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| 14:47.30 | fpmc | madness: ok that's also nice. I think the inconvenience is that I can't 'browse' my server while downloading |
| 14:47.45 | greycat | fpmc: use sftp for that |
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| 14:48.32 | fpmc | greycat: ok. I think I used it once, and was wondering if there's an easier alternative to it |
| 14:48.47 | ljlane | or lftp's fish://, konqueror too IIRC |
| 14:48.51 | madness | fpmc: if you were feeling really brave, you could use lufs |
| 14:49.00 | madness | ljlane: yeah, told him about that earlier. |
| 14:49.04 | ljlane | ah |
| 14:49.07 | madness | ljlane: I didn't know lftp did it though. |
| 14:49.09 | fpmc | madness: ok I'll take a look at that ;) |
| 14:49.12 | madness | ljlane: useful to know.. ta. |
| 14:49.16 | caphuso | lftp is getting real sftp support, eventually |
| 14:49.17 | ratbiker | I need two kernel modules called ppscsi and onscsi to use my scanner according to Sane-Project.org. Does any precompile deb package kenel include these modules? |
| 14:49.18 | ljlane | madness, indeed |
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| 14:49.33 | tolix | how can i watch telnet session with a sniffit |
| 14:49.43 | ljlane | catalyst. |
| 14:49.43 | tolix | for example ip: 123 to ip:456 |
| 14:49.55 | nvz | ratbiker: what kernel do you have now? |
| 14:50.08 | madness | ratbiker: apt-file is your friend. |
| 14:50.11 | catalyst | ljlane: Happy New Year to you! |
| 14:50.18 | ljlane | catalyst, and to you :) |
| 14:50.36 | madness | tolix: dont' repeat, your question has already been answered. |
| 14:50.48 | tolix | ? where |
| 14:50.49 | madness | rearrange ' to taste |
| 14:50.51 | ratbiker | knoppix 2.4.20-xfs |
| 14:50.53 | tolix | who |
| 14:51.07 | fpmc | madness: is there a reason why trying out lufs is 'brave'? |
| 14:51.09 | madness | tolix: ethereal, tcpdump. man pages are your friends. |
| 14:51.16 | nvz | ratbiker: have you checked to see if you already have the modules? |
| 14:51.19 | madness | fpmc: because it's at the kernel level :P |
| 14:51.22 | sussudio | ratbiker: #knoppix |
| 14:51.27 | fpmc | madness: oh... |
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| 14:51.52 | ratbiker | yes I did modprobe -l, they,re not there. |
| 14:51.57 | madness | fpmc: lufs looks very clever though |
| 14:52.01 | tolix | okei thanks |
| 14:52.08 | ljlane | caphuso, using sftp:// .. that looks odd, not that fish:// doesn't :) |
| 14:52.11 | cyberyo | Happy New Year ! |
| 14:52.21 | madness | fpmc: I've not yet found an excuse to use it myself |
| 14:52.24 | ljlane | +? |
| 14:52.26 | ratbiker | How does apt-file work? |
| 14:52.54 | ljlane | ratbiker, the update downloads the massive Contents files and it search through them. |
| 14:52.54 | madness | ratbiker: man pages are your friends |
| 14:53.12 | fpmc | madness: yes I read the intro, looks very promising. It is somewhat important to me for a convenient file transfer as I constantly have to transfer files between my house and my school's server |
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| 14:53.22 | ljlane | apt-file is painful if you're on low bandwidth |
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| 14:53.31 | pw | Is a SPARCStation20 a sun4u or a sun4cdm box? |
| 14:53.41 | madness | fpmc: I cannot vouch for it. just looks clever. |
| 14:53.49 | greycat | pw: it's not an ultra, that's for sure |
| 14:54.04 | Noo-B | what can i do about "no screens" found, trying to startx |
| 14:54.04 | madness | fpmc: if it works nice, and you use it, please do come back and tell. |
| 14:54.13 | greycat | ~noscreensfound |
| 14:54.14 | | hmm... noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question |
| 14:54.17 | sussudio | ~tell Noo-B about noscreensfound |
| 14:54.22 | fpmc | madness: don't know if you're familar with the Windows app SecureCRT. It was provided my my school and I can use the Zmodem protocol sz/rz without much command line options |
| 14:54.26 | Noo-B | already tried that |
| 14:54.31 | fpmc | madness: ok no problem |
| 14:54.33 | Noo-B | should i choose VESa |
| 14:54.37 | Noo-B | or VGA |
| 14:54.37 | Noo-B | ? |
| 14:54.40 | greycat | Noo-B: what video card, what version of X? |
| 14:54.40 | madness | fpmc: a colleague of mine likes to do that |
| 14:54.43 | sussudio | ~enter |
| 14:54.45 | | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 14:55.04 | Noo-B | my video card vendor is not in the list |
| 14:55.11 | madness | fpmc: however, I find securecrt repulsive as a terminal app. when I'm forced to use windows (not often these days), I much prefer to use putty |
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| 14:55.15 | greycat | Noo-B: What. Card. Is. It? |
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| 14:55.24 | sussudio | Noo-B: so find out the damn chipset. |
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| 14:55.41 | dendrite | Noo-B: lspci may help here. |
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| 14:55.47 | Noo-B | geoforce |
| 14:55.50 | nvz | usually says in the server log as well |
| 14:55.53 | greycat | Noo-B: which one? |
| 14:55.56 | b0ef | ok, so I still have to edit capabilites.h to get posix 1.e capabilities? |
| 14:56.02 | knoppix | hi |
| 14:56.03 | matte | hey...anyone can browse me a quick intro on how to install a program that require the configure and install action in a shell_ |
| 14:56.07 | pw | greycat: I'll grab the sun4cdm tftpboot.img - it'll either work or it won't :) |
| 14:56.16 | sussudio | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 14:56.23 | Noo-B | greycat: can't tell right now, is it of significance ? |
| 14:56.29 | fpmc | madness: would be nice if someone write an application similar to that. It seems logical that once two sides connect, the parent application should be able to give information such as ip |
| 14:56.30 | greycat | Noo-B: you'll probably want to read "/msg apt nvidia debs" though |
| 14:56.32 | RobotBebop | hrmph. |
| 14:56.33 | madness | matte: normally, such a program will include instructions in a README or INSTALL file. |
| 14:56.42 | Noo-B | ok |
| 14:56.43 | matte | okay |
| 14:56.47 | greycat | Noo-B: some of the nvidia cards don't work in 4.1.0 at all |
| 14:57.01 | madness | fpmc: you mean doing zmodem in a terminal ? |
| 14:57.17 | madness | fpmc: I would imagine it's possible somehow. never used it myself. |
| 14:57.21 | Noo-B | darnit |
| 14:57.28 | Noo-B | i better go see what card i have |
| 14:57.31 | Noo-B | brb :) |
| 14:57.39 | fpmc | madness: something like that, or scp. Just that I don't have to provide my own ip address :) I'll take a look. Thanks for your insights |
| 14:57.51 | madness | fpmc: np. |
| 14:58.26 | madness | Noo-B: lspci is your friend. |
| 14:58.59 | dendrite | Hmm. We need to tell Noo-B about VT's... |
| 14:59.10 | nvz | and screen |
| 14:59.17 | dendrite | nvz: ++ |
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| 14:59.36 | mbware | hi |
| 14:59.59 | DaCa | fpmc: install lrzsz at both sides? |
| 15:00.33 | fpmc | DaCa: thanks for the suggestion. I do believe my server has lrzsz. Last time I tried it I couldnt' get it to work, so had to use sftp instead. Will give it another tyr |
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| 15:01.39 | mbware | I'm sid debian with kernel 2.4.22-5. It is vulnerable to the do_brk() exploit? |
| 15:01.48 | js | how do i set the date to yesterday? |
| 15:01.50 | fgh_ | when i want to print vom windows to cups comes this in the error.lof from cups |
| 15:01.53 | greycat | js: man date |
| 15:02.01 | fgh_ | I [01/Jan/2004:15:55:08 +0100] Printer 'C64' started by 'root'. |
| 15:02.01 | fgh_ | E [01/Jan/2004:15:55:51 +0100] print_job: Unsupported format 'application/octet-stream'! |
| 15:02.10 | dendrite | js: It's 2004. Happy GNU year. Get over it. ;-) |
| 15:02.10 | tam | is there a way that i can do a global .forward in home dirs and specify something in it? |
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| 15:02.22 | greycat | tam: MTA specific |
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| 15:02.29 | tam | greycat: ah |
| 15:02.50 | nvz | mbware: thats what changelogs are for as I understand |
| 15:02.56 | js | dendrite: hehe :) |
| 15:03.36 | mbware | nvz http://www.programmazione.it/newsletter/Attacco_a_Debian.txt |
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| 15:04.02 | nvz | mbware: /topic has a few interesting ones as well |
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| 15:05.28 | fgh_ | when i want to print vom windows to cups comes this in the error.log from cups |
| 15:05.31 | fgh_ | I [01/Jan/2004:15:55:08 +0100] Printer 'C64' started by 'root'. |
| 15:05.34 | fgh_ | E [01/Jan/2004:15:55:51 +0100] print_job: Unsupported format 'application/octet-stream'! |
| 15:05.36 | mbware | nvz tancks |
| 15:05.50 | madness | fgh_: don't repeat. |
| 15:06.04 | oskie | to enable Windozs keys in X? right now they all send the same keycode (0). (Left Windows key: flying windows, Right Windows key: flying windows, Right Windows key 2: context menu key) |
| 15:06.07 | madness | fgh_: if someone knows the answer to your question and feels like answering it, they will. |
| 15:06.27 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 15:06.32 | greycat | oskie: did you tell X you have a PC104 keyboard? |
| 15:07.26 | oskie | greycat: it says pc102 in XF86Config-4. so changing to pc104 might help? |
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| 15:07.38 | nvz | oskie: yeah it helps |
| 15:07.44 | greycat | oskie: indeed |
| 15:08.09 | oskie | greycat, nvz: i hope it doesn't have any adverse effects.. because I remember having done this before |
| 15:08.54 | nvz | I wouldnt know, my windows key is Alt+Space, as I have a very old 101key AT keyboard |
| 15:09.26 | greycat | oskie: if you have an altgr key, then it's not a US keyboard, so make sure you *read* the questions it asks... |
| 15:09.31 | madness | nvz: a nice hard clicky one ? |
| 15:09.44 | greycat | oskie: in particular, the "nodeadkeys" one |
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| 15:10.02 | nvz | madness: yep.. the big old ones that had the curve to them, My fav kind of keyboard, cost me $2 |
| 15:10.05 | oskie | greycat: hmm.. ok. I want some keys to be dead though. oh well, let's see how PC104 works |
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| 15:10.18 | madness | nvz: I should get me one of those. |
| 15:10.26 | greycat | oskie: you can always kill them with xmodmap |
| 15:10.28 | madness | nvz: "they don't make them like they used to" |
| 15:10.29 | Noo-B | ok, my card is nvidia geoforce mx 440, does this mean i am toast ? |
| 15:10.29 | fpmc | do i create a directory or a node (mkdir or mknod) for a mount point? |
| 15:10.38 | madness | fpmc: directory |
| 15:10.40 | greycat | Noo-B: geforce, not geoforce |
| 15:10.45 | fpmc | madness: ok |
| 15:10.45 | greycat | ~fgeforce |
| 15:10.49 | greycat | ~geforce |
| 15:10.51 | | Perhaps you are looking for "apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src" |
| 15:10.51 | oskie | sometimes I wish you could 'killall -HUP XFree86' to reload config.. |
| 15:11.01 | madness | greycat: now he's got you spelling it badly too ! :P |
| 15:11.02 | greycat | or perhaps not :) |
| 15:11.05 | nvz | madness: my laptop keyboard actually had the \| key on there twice, once at the top and another identical key on the bottom. |
| 15:11.08 | greycat | madness: no, just typing badly |
| 15:11.13 | dendrite | Noo-B: btw, I'm guessing you're at a text console in linux, and you don't know that there are five more available. |
| 15:11.22 | madness | greycat: I figured ;) I was kidding :P |
| 15:11.22 | Noo-B | greycat how did u do that ? |
| 15:11.22 | greycat | Noo-B: press Alt-F2, then press ALt-F1 |
| 15:11.24 | fpmc | noo-B: I have the same card, what do you mean you're toast? |
| 15:11.27 | nvz | madness: whats the point of learning to touch type these days, nobody follows standards |
| 15:11.41 | madness | greycat: IRC should standardize on <sarcasm> tags, i think :P |
| 15:11.51 | madness | nvz: true |
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| 15:11.55 | Noo-B | dendrite dont worry i know how to open more consoles :) |
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| 15:12.08 | dendrite | Noo-B: OK, I was wondering because you had to disconnect to check lspci. |
| 15:12.18 | RobotBebop | yay my nVidia drivers are working |
| 15:13.03 | nvz | madness: I like this layout.. I'd prefer a longer backspace key, and shorter enter, with the |/ key being moved down next to ]} where it belongs though |
| 15:13.17 | oskie | good, now LWin sends Super_L - I wonder if it's a true modifier key like Shift+Alt+Ctrl? |
| 15:13.17 | madness | nvz: oh, enter has to be an l for me |
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| 15:13.38 | madness | nvz: ahh, you're a .usian |
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| 15:13.45 | madness | nvz: so us kb |
| 15:13.52 | Noo-B | dendrite i rebooted to windoze |
| 15:14.11 | dendrite | Noo-B: Ewww. |
| 15:14.11 | oskie | what is key Multi_key supposed to do? that's what the Right Windows key sends... |
| 15:14.14 | tarzeau | dpkg helix |
| 15:14.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, helix is see gnome1.2, or ask me about "removing helixcode", or una seductora, or http://www.double-helix.org/etc/effoff.JPG |
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| 15:14.17 | Noo-B | greycat: the packages u so kindly made apt inform me about don't exist |
| 15:14.30 | Noo-B | greycat: i did apt-cache search for nvidia |
| 15:14.41 | Noo-B | greycat: no sign of em :) |
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| 15:14.56 | dendrite | Noo-B: Try the nv driver? |
| 15:15.19 | RobotBebop | does debian have packages for the windows fonts ? |
| 15:15.19 | nvz | nv works here on the TNT2, but its not accellerated |
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| 15:15.38 | RobotBebop | i remember reading tutorials on how to set up the Windows fonts with FreeType |
| 15:15.51 | Noo-B | how do i get apt to tell me about how to reconfigure x server ? |
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| 15:16.01 | asg | RobotBebop: apt-cache search msttcorefonts |
| 15:16.04 | greycat | Noo-B: /msg apt set up x /msg apt nvidia debs |
| 15:16.05 | nvz | the nvidia packages are always unfetchable when I have time to try and figure them out.. so I still havent got that nvidia card setup yet |
| 15:16.34 | RobotBebop | thanks asg |
| 15:16.36 | nvz | this Trident 3dImage 985 is the real PITA though |
| 15:16.37 | asg | RobotBebop: np |
| 15:16.52 | ratbiker | Could you tell me where the how-to for installing a custom kernel in debian? I am confused about how the debs including the kernel modules should be removed.I would think deleting and overwriting the debs modules might be a problem for package management (though I don't know). |
| 15:16.57 | Noo-B | greycat: is my card affected by the troubles u mentioned ? |
| 15:17.15 | asg | ratbiker: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:17.38 | greycat | Noo-B: just get the nvidia debs. You'll be happy. |
| 15:17.47 | nvz | ratbiker: install kernel-package, build-essential, wget, bzip2, libncurses5-dev, is a good start |
| 15:18.11 | Noo-B | greycat: i can't, i dont have a browser :) |
| 15:18.38 | nvz | Noo-B: it doesnt require a browser |
| 15:18.45 | nvz | Noo-B: and links is easy to install |
| 15:18.49 | dendrite | Noo-B: lynx, linkx and w3m are all decent text mode browsers. |
| 15:18.50 | madness | Noo-B: links is your friend |
| 15:19.01 | madness | dendrite: fsvo "decent" :P |
| 15:19.02 | Noo-B | are u talking about lynx ? |
| 15:19.02 | dendrite | s/linkx/links/ |
| 15:19.11 | nvz | Noo-B: no I am talking about links |
| 15:19.12 | greycat | Noo-B: lynx is one of them |
| 15:19.20 | madness | Noo-B: links is the nicer of the three imho. |
| 15:19.23 | tarzeau | links is also a graphical browser! |
| 15:19.27 | dendrite | madness: fsvo? |
| 15:19.28 | tarzeau | (at least version 2.x) |
| 15:19.31 | Noo-B | nvz wha do u mean it doesnt require a browser, how then ? |
| 15:19.35 | madness | dendrite: "for some value of" |
| 15:19.38 | greycat | Noo-B: /msg apt nvidia debs !! |
| 15:19.44 | dendrite | madness: =) |
| 15:19.48 | greycat | fuck, he's obviously retarded. |
| 15:19.52 | greycat | ~+nvidia debs |
| 15:19.54 | | somebody said nvidia debs was Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 15:19.57 | nvz | Noo-B: fetching debs is done by apt-get, aptitude, dselect, gnome-apt, synaptic... etc |
| 15:20.15 | madness | that looks old |
| 15:20.21 | Noo-B | greycat i resent that, i am not retarded, however apt gives me a list of URL's |
| 15:20.26 | madness | probably needs updating, that factoid. |
| 15:20.28 | greycat | that last part doesn't require a web browser, unless you consider apt-get to be a web browser |
| 15:20.39 | greycat | madness: surely. |
| 15:20.48 | greycat | Noo-B: apt-get install lynx |
| 15:20.51 | nvz | Noo-B: which you put into /etc/apt-sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get install |
| 15:20.59 | greycat | nvz: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:21.01 | asg | nvz: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:21.02 | dendrite | ~start browser war |
| 15:21.06 | Noo-B | nvz: i see thanks |
| 15:21.07 | madness | dendrite: hehehe |
| 15:21.12 | RobotBebop | hm |
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| 15:21.22 | nvz | oh well |
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| 15:21.38 | nvz | its a good thing I didnt go straight for the beer this morning |
| 15:21.43 | Noo-B | no need for calling ppl retard :) |
| 15:21.50 | asg | nvz: I did |
| 15:22.05 | nvz | I am waiting to see if I might just find something to eat first |
| 15:22.25 | asg | nvz: liquid bread, it is good for you |
| 15:22.31 | RobotBebop | wtf |
| 15:22.38 | RobotBebop | KDE is just using fonts i haven't configured it to use |
| 15:22.59 | asg | RobotBebop: perhaps the fine folks in #debian-kde might be able to help with such things |
| 15:23.19 | RobotBebop | will do |
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| 15:24.26 | nakee_ | is there a way to get serge security updates? |
| 15:24.44 | greycat | ~+testing security |
| 15:24.46 | | methinks testing security is less secure than sid, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-0102/msg00159.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00635.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00723.html |
| 15:24.49 | dendrite | serge? I prefer denim. |
| 15:25.19 | pw | what's a quick way of converting an IP address to hexadecimal notation? |
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| 15:26.30 | nvz | asg: took me awhile but I think I got that |
| 15:28.21 | asg | nvz: :) |
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| 15:28.33 | initech | hello all, happy new year! |
| 15:28.39 | asg | initech: hny |
| 15:29.08 | initech | i hope ths year's better than the last :-( |
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| 15:29.27 | asg | initech: well, it is starting off pretty well |
| 15:29.31 | t35t0r | hi i have a maxtor firewire drive with ext3 sys on it, i can read/write to it on another lin box, it is on /dev/sda1 on the working box. On the box i have attached to it currently I am able to read the device type in /proc/bus/ieee1394/devices shows up as maxtor sbp-2 etc (ran rescan-scsi-bus.sh), but i've tried mounting on all /dev/sda, /dev/sda1-10 and keep getting not a valid block device error, how do i find which dev it is located at, i can't f |
| 15:29.34 | t35t0r | ind it in dmesg or cat /proc/bus/ieee, etc. |
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| 15:29.51 | initech | asg: are you drinking already? :-) |
| 15:30.00 | asg | initech: yes, it is my birthday after all |
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| 15:30.15 | initech | well, well. happy b-day then |
| 15:30.19 | asg | initech: danke |
| 15:30.48 | initech | at least, i think this will be a great year for debian. sarge is going to kick ass |
| 15:30.51 | Noo-B | nvz i addes the path in apt source list |
| 15:30.56 | Noo-B | nvz i added the path in apt source list |
| 15:31.12 | asg | initech: hehe |
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| 15:31.45 | nvz | Noo-B: good for you |
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| 15:31.54 | Noo-B | sure is |
| 15:31.55 | Noo-B | :) |
| 15:32.05 | Noo-B | nvz however what debs do i need |
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| 15:32.13 | Noo-B | what should i apt-get install |
| 15:32.15 | nvz | Noo-B: did you apt-get update? |
| 15:32.16 | ShErLoK_GhOsT | +w |
| 15:32.20 | Noo-B | nope |
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| 15:32.32 | Noo-B | oh |
| 15:32.35 | nvz | Noo-B: editing that file does nothing until you update |
| 15:32.38 | Noo-B | well i did apt-setup |
| 15:32.47 | Noo-B | so it searched and confirmed the address |
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| 15:33.00 | nvz | well if you edited it manually through apt-setup, it probably ran apt-get update for you |
| 15:33.05 | Noo-B | yeah |
| 15:33.11 | Noo-B | so what do i need to download |
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| 15:33.15 | initech | Noo-B: apt-get update never hurts, you should always do it before installing, as a habit |
| 15:33.25 | Noo-B | initech i see |
| 15:33.39 | nvz | Noo-B: I have no clue.. the nvidia debs would never work for me, always broken |
| 15:33.48 | Noo-B | what |
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| 15:33.58 | Noo-B | nvz how did you solve your problems then ? |
| 15:34.05 | nakee_ | greycat I know there isn't security source for testing, which if you ask me is one of the biggest flaws of using debian on workstation as you want something usuable (not unstable) and still you want something from this centauri (not stable) and testing fits just fine but the lack of security update makes a big problem |
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| 15:34.16 | nvz | everytime I've tried to apt-get the nvidia debs it would say one or more of the deps were uninstallable |
| 15:34.23 | greycat | The only times I've used nvidia in Linux, I've built a *custom* kernel, and built the nvidia kernel modules using make-kpkg. |
| 15:34.23 | ShErLoK_GhOsT | tem brasileiro ai naum?? |
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| 15:34.25 | initech | nakee_: use stable, learn patience |
| 15:34.29 | greycat | That is the best way to do it. |
| 15:34.41 | Noo-B | greycat apt-get install ? |
| 15:34.46 | greycat | ~woody |
| 15:34.48 | | woody is, like, the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 15:34.59 | nvz | greycat: using the nvidia debs? |
| 15:35.00 | greycat | nakee_: woody is from this century |
| 15:35.11 | greycat | nvz: no, using apt-get install nvidia-blah-src |
| 15:35.26 | nakee_ | greycat and it would stay there till probebly the next one would come |
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| 15:35.39 | initech | nakee_: MS Dildowz has a three year release cycle, after all |
| 15:35.41 | Noo-B | greycat how do i get apt to tell me the name of the nvidia debs |
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| 15:36.06 | nvz | greycat: oh, I would like to do that for my cousins pc, but I have made probably 5 or so attempts and still cant get those packages, always complains about nvidia-kernel-source-blah and is not installable |
| 15:36.14 | dendrite | Noo-B: apt-cache seaerch nvidia |
| 15:36.18 | nakee_ | initech it has nothing to do with it, I have hardware which needs new xfree and the likes |
| 15:36.19 | dendrite | search, that is. |
| 15:36.21 | Noo-B | denrite well |
| 15:36.37 | Noo-B | denrite that list has not changed, after i updated my apt source list |
| 15:36.41 | asg | hehe, #debian overflowed greycat |
| 15:36.49 | initech | nakee_: ok, well my solution is running stable on my firewall/server, unstable on my pc |
| 15:37.10 | streuner | asg: well, someone did that... |
| 15:37.15 | nakee_ | initech we have a firewall we also got over 1000 students:) |
| 15:37.28 | asg | nakee_: another option is to run woody and run unstable in a chrooted environ for all the packages you want updated |
| 15:37.41 | Noo-B | am i supposed to intuitivally know what of the possible search hits do download ? |
| 15:37.42 | asg | streuner: ENOSANITY error apparently |
| 15:37.48 | Noo-B | is there something i am missing here ;) |
| 15:38.03 | dendrite | Noo-B: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 15:38.40 | dendrite | Noo-B: When I picked up debian, I spent the most time on understanding the packaging system. Worth the effort. |
| 15:38.44 | nakee_ | asg chrooted xfree? |
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| 15:39.01 | Noo-B | ok. I dont have a package name. All did was ADD A SOURCE to the apt list |
| 15:39.05 | initech | nakee_: well if it's just hardware support you need, why not just use a new kernel with stable? |
| 15:39.07 | asg | nakee_: sure + moz or whatever else you want |
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| 15:39.11 | Noo-B | i do not know what packages to download |
| 15:39.13 | Noo-B | ok |
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| 15:39.20 | Noo-B | i know it is related to nvidia |
| 15:39.22 | nakee_ | initech well is there a way to run some cronjob which would e-mail me about new security issue? |
| 15:39.27 | asg | nakee_: you could always backport the unstable packages to stable (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 15:39.29 | streuner | !tell Noo-B about enter |
| 15:39.39 | nakee_ | initech cause the drivers are in xfree not the kernel |
| 15:39.46 | initech | nakee_: no, but you can easily subscribe to the security mailing list |
| 15:39.59 | Noo-B | :) |
| 15:40.02 | nakee_ | initech good idea:) |
| 15:40.07 | initech | nakee_: no backports will work for you? |
| 15:40.32 | Noo-B | nvz you have downloaded the nvidia debs right ? |
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| 15:41.05 | Noo-B | nvz even tho didnt work for u |
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| 15:41.14 | nvz | Noo-B: nope, my cousin is the one with the nvidia card, and I am still using the 'nv' driver that is in the server, because I have not been able to d/l those packages |
| 15:41.19 | michas | Hi, how can i schow the options a module is loaded with? |
| 15:41.27 | Noo-B | oh |
| 15:41.29 | nvz | Noo-B: the part that isnt working is getting the packages |
| 15:41.39 | Noo-B | i see |
| 15:41.53 | jordi | hi, is there any tool like the explorer in windows in debian woody ? |
| 15:42.00 | nvz | Noo-B: always complains that a dependancy is not installable, I have been trying periodically for like 6 mo now |
| 15:42.02 | madness | jordi: plenty. |
| 15:42.09 | initech | jordi: konqueror, nautilus? |
| 15:42.19 | spuk | is /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list the only place a package's file is referenced (for dpkg/apt) ? |
| 15:42.41 | nvz | Noo-B: I've never used any accellerated video other than the xbox, which was already kinda setup for me |
| 15:42.43 | jordi | i use icewm, konqueror is 4 the kde, no? nautilus is good ? |
| 15:43.02 | KudoBoi | how do i configure startx for my Nvidia Geforce4 Ti4200 AGP8X and USB mouse? |
| 15:43.15 | tarzeau | apt bouncybouncy |
| 15:43.17 | | i guess bouncybouncy is http://www.bouncybouncy.net |
| 15:43.19 | nvz | jordi: which version of nautilus? |
| 15:43.21 | streuner | KudoBoi: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 15:43.21 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: for you |
| 15:43.24 | nakee_ | initech backports leave me with the same problem no?I mean if there is security problem in what of the packages I backported it would get updated even slower? |
| 15:43.25 | initech | jordi: either will run in icewm, but of course they will launch all sorts of other shit they need to run |
| 15:43.40 | nvz | jordi: nautilus is a very featureful program, but before 2.x it was quite slow |
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| 15:43.56 | pw | If I've got a file called <blah> in /tftpboot (where blah begins with the hex representation of the configured IP address that rarpd is set to dole out to the specified ethernet address) and I've taken off the -e option (to stop rarp skipping the search for bootable images) what else could be broken? |
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| 15:44.04 | plakat | I get "Kernel panic: Out of memory and no killable processes..." when booting my 2.6.0 kernel. Last night it worked fine, any suggestions? Somethng about "Highmem per-cpu: empty" also. |
| 15:44.05 | streuner | tarzeau: those debs have NOT version of 2.4.23 or 2.6.0... |
| 15:44.16 | initech | nakee_: yes, but some backports are better maintained than others; for Xfree i would not worry unless you have a tcp enabled X |
| 15:44.25 | asg | plakat: /msg dpkg 2.6 help |
| 15:44.33 | tarzeau | streuner: i meant justin_'s nvidia_install script |
| 15:44.54 | t35t0r | how can i make the system not slowdown so much when large writes/reads are being done |
| 15:44.57 | jordi | k, thks to everybody, happy new year |
| 15:44.57 | pmfp | how do you find out the clock speed of the memory without opening the computer? |
| 15:45.01 | Noo-B | out of the urls in "/msg apt nvidia debs" only the last one can be added to the apt path list right ? |
| 15:45.02 | pmfp | (or restarting) |
| 15:45.03 | madness | t35t0r: dma |
| 15:45.15 | madness | t35t0r: if your chipset and kernel etc support it |
| 15:45.25 | madness | t35t0r: man hdparm - but be careful with it. |
| 15:45.26 | asg | t35t0r: use the preemptive patches in your kernel |
| 15:45.30 | t35t0r | yes it's a 500g RAID0 stripping system |
| 15:45.32 | streuner | Noo-B: try #nvidia |
| 15:45.44 | nakee_ | initech I do.. we have a lot of remote terminals.. |
| 15:45.45 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: which file do i download? |
| 15:45.56 | madness | t35t0r: scsi ? |
| 15:46.02 | t35t0r | ATA |
| 15:46.13 | madness | t35t0r: hardware ? or software ? |
| 15:46.15 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/nvidia/nvidia_install in /usr/src |
| 15:46.22 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: then sh nvidia_install (as root) |
| 15:46.40 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: you have testing,sid right? |
| 15:46.59 | KudoBoi | tarzeau : i don't know |
| 15:47.02 | t35t0r | 2x250g western digital ATA 500g RAID0 stripping using software raid |
| 15:47.06 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: hehe :) |
| 15:47.19 | madness | t35t0r: software raid will slow you down. |
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| 15:47.35 | madness | t35t0r: asg's suggestion may help some |
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| 15:47.41 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: you live in singapore? |
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| 15:47.52 | initech | nakee_: well, unfortunately the pc hardware scene is complete chaos. really, it boils down to using backports (carefully) if you need them, or sticking with stable and the hardware it supports |
| 15:47.57 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: i set graphics to ATI when i installed startx, is it possibble to change to nvidia now? |
| 15:48.15 | asg | KudoBoi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:48.16 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 tpye that |
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| 15:48.51 | djw | I don't suppose anyone knows if there's nforce2 onboard network card support in a 2.4.23 kernel, and if so what's the modules called |
| 15:48.55 | joseph | i'm trying to get an orinoco network card working |
| 15:49.10 | joseph | getting a no socket drivers loaded error |
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| 15:49.13 | nnn | is there a likely way to look up the upstream source of a package |
| 15:49.17 | initech | djw: what does lspci say it is? |
| 15:49.22 | nakee_ | djw there is |
| 15:49.25 | nnn | for instance, mga-vid-source; i need a 2.6 version |
| 15:49.49 | nakee_ | I don't know which module it is though |
| 15:49.52 | asg | nnn: the 'Version: ' line in 'apt-cache show <pkg>' should tell you |
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| 15:50.01 | djw | initech: nVidia foo |
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| 15:50.25 | djw | nakee_: google seems to point at nvnet, but I can't find that |
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| 15:50.47 | initech | djw: for ethernet?!? |
| 15:50.53 | nnn | asg, i'm talking about something like a url where the upstream package comes from |
| 15:50.57 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: i am at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/nvidia/nvidia_install, what do i do now? |
| 15:50.58 | djw | initech: yeah |
| 15:50.59 | nnn | not just the version number |
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| 15:51.11 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: download it into /usr/src |
| 15:51.31 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: how do i download it? |
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| 15:51.35 | asg | nnn: oh. You might check in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 15:51.40 | initech | djw: hmm, then note the chipset type and go from there i guess |
| 15:51.45 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: do you have it open in a browser? say file, save as |
| 15:51.53 | djw | initech: ethernet device: nVidia Corporation: unknown device.... |
| 15:52.01 | djw | initech: that's about it, no useful information |
| 15:52.04 | nnn | asg: not there either :/ |
| 15:52.08 | Eludias | How do I apt-get --purge a package after having done a apt-get remove package? I want to get rid of the config files after I removed the package... |
| 15:52.08 | tarzeau | (i'm glad i don't have to explain how uploading works) |
| 15:52.16 | t35t0r | k i heard everything: DMA not being enabled, use preemptive patches, use hdparm huh what? |
| 15:52.16 | initech | djw: shit. not sure |
| 15:52.22 | nakee_ | djw http://www.wlug.org.nz/NForce2Notes |
| 15:52.25 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: do i save it as a text or bin? |
| 15:52.42 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: umf, what browser is that? |
| 15:52.44 | nnn | you'd think alan cox would have ported the mga-vid to 2.5/6, since he uses it. now to figure out where he keeps it |
| 15:53.00 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: internet explorer |
| 15:53.09 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: i don't know |
| 15:53.11 | asg | nnn: you could always mail the maintainer |
| 15:53.39 | djw | nakee_: ah, no open source driver :( thanks |
| 15:53.50 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: how do i download the file from debian? |
| 15:54.20 | Aquarina | KudoBoi: where are you from?! |
| 15:54.21 | asg | nnn: according to policy, the site url should be included in the package's 'copyright' file |
| 15:54.24 | hypox | where do i find a howto to install the new 2.4.18 kernel package? |
| 15:54.25 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: with any browser or wget |
| 15:54.28 | tarzeau | Aquarina: singapore |
| 15:54.35 | tarzeau | Aquarina: he's my friend, be nice to him! |
| 15:54.43 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: how long do you use debian? |
| 15:54.57 | KudoBoi | tarzeau: just today |
| 15:55.05 | tarzeau | KudoBoi: very good! |
| 15:55.23 | Aquarina | tarzeau: just because his nick is something like "ass of the bull" in portuguese! lol |
| 15:55.29 | ljlane | asg, mplayer stuff isn't even Debian. Policy doesn't apply. |
| 15:55.32 | tarzeau | Aquarina: heh :) |
| 15:55.51 | asg | ljlane: ah, didn't know mga-vid was a part of that |
| 15:56.00 | Aquarina | KudoBoi: don't miss interpret me, thought you could be pt or br! |
| 15:56.05 | nakee_ | hypox apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-<arch> ? |
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| 15:56.30 | hypox | don't need to issue any lilo command after? |
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| 15:56.49 | KudoBoi | Aquarina: whats does "pt" and "br" mean? |
| 15:56.54 | ljlane | asg, looking again, I'm probably wrong. |
| 15:57.00 | nvz | hypox: after you edit /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 15:57.02 | Aquarina | KudoBoi: portuguese or brazilian |
| 15:57.05 | asg | ljlane: no worries, happy new year |
| 15:57.11 | hanasaki | what is a good gui based filemanager in debian sarge that works under gnome? |
| 15:57.29 | nvz | hanasaki: nautilus, konqueror, mc.. etc |
| 15:57.31 | streuner | hanasaki: gentoo |
| 15:57.42 | hanasaki | hmm |
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| 15:57.58 | asg | hanasaki: gentoo the fm, not the distro (if you're confused about that last statement) |
| 15:58.03 | hanasaki | inst knoquere for kde? nautilus is too fat for this box.. its al slow box .. |
| 15:58.10 | nvz | hanasaki: nautilus is what gnome uses to draw its desktop, so might as well use that |
| 15:58.21 | hanasaki | ah |
| 15:58.39 | michas | Hi, how can i show the options a module is loaded with? |
| 15:58.46 | sussudio | asg: i got some non-compaq p2's |
| 15:58.51 | Aquarina | is there a way to make nautilus have the tree in the form of gmc? |
| 15:59.07 | nvz | General Motors Company? |
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| 15:59.27 | asg | sussudio: haha |
| 15:59.41 | asg | sussudio: are we eschewing rot13 as a new year's resolution? |
| 15:59.55 | tarzeau | sandman: how are you? |
| 15:59.58 | sussudio | asg: i'm using one right now, my athlon is rusty beyond health limits |
| 16:00.03 | sussudio | asg: dusty even |
| 16:00.29 | nvz | asg: goto CNet's Download.com sometime and read the user comments on rot13.. its funny.. in fact I like to go there and read user comments on everything.. windows users are so stupid its funny |
| 16:00.31 | Aquarina | ok, what do I need to make alsa work in debian? |
| 16:00.33 | asg | sussudio: as long as it isn't as dusty as your cousin/brothers that you showed us last year |
| 16:00.54 | asg | nvz: hehe, I prefer rot26 for efficient obfuscation |
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| 16:01.00 | hanasaki | thanks folks |
| 16:01.10 | asg | nvz: haven't been to Download.com since I stopped using Windows in 96 |
| 16:01.13 | sussudio | asg: i don't smoke. |
| 16:01.15 | ljlane | sussudio, 32 character nick? |
| 16:01.30 | sussudio | ljlane: maybe. |
| 16:01.34 | asg | sussudio: true (hope you don't have bad dandruff) |
| 16:01.56 | sussudio | asg: maybe it's hamsterdandruff. |
| 16:02.03 | asg | sussudio: hehe |
| 16:02.12 | nvz | asg: I stopped going there after they stopped hosting Linux downloads.. but I was there recently reading the comments on rot13, people saying it was lame encryption that a 5 year old could crack.. and then other idiots telling them its not encryption but character substitution |
| 16:02.36 | asg | nvz: and they actually had a conversation about this? with comments? unreal! |
| 16:03.10 | sussudio | nvz: in that case, a 5 year old is smarter than sgeigerbot |
| 16:03.41 | nnn | mga_vid module patch for 2.6: http://zebra.fh-weingarten.de/~maxi/html/mplayer-dev-eng/2003-10/msg00543.html |
| 16:03.49 | nvz | asg: anytime something doesnt go right, those idiot post ignorant comments.. its amusing how windows users cant understand some of the most simple things |
| 16:04.17 | asg | nvz: well, they were the ones Windows was created for I suppose. |
| 16:04.57 | Ireul | hi |
| 16:04.57 | nvz | like people who write those comments saying an app sucked because they didnt install the proper runtimes, and it didnt work for them |
| 16:05.02 | sussudio | asg: no, that's macs. |
| 16:05.20 | asg | sussudio: I didn't imply they were successful :) |
| 16:05.31 | asg | nvz: *nod* |
| 16:05.39 | sussudio | asg: most people with pc's are too poor to buy macs |
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| 16:06.09 | asg | sussudio: nah, probably because findlefoolde worx 56.3 doesn't work on a mac |
| 16:06.20 | madness | or would rather repeatedly smack their heads against a desk than buy one. |
| 16:06.38 | nvz | I seen a Mac G4 tower at CompUSA, had a 23" flat panel, and all kinds of cool shit.. I was drooling on the floor, but I wasnt going to pay $3,500 for a flat panel.. |
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| 16:06.40 | madness | and would do so even more if they bought one. |
| 16:06.55 | hoxu|uni | apt, happy new year :) |
| 16:06.56 | | hoxu|uni: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:06.56 | asg | nvz: was that for just the panel or also for the g4? |
| 16:07.05 | nvz | I could buy over 300 PCs for that prices |
| 16:07.12 | nvz | asg: just the screen |
| 16:07.16 | asg | nvz: mosix clust anyone? |
| 16:07.24 | sussudio | nvz: it's people like you that deny steve jobs his 23rd house. |
| 16:07.30 | gourdin | hi there |
| 16:07.52 | gourdin | anyone use KimDaba under sarge here ? |
| 16:07.58 | nvz | sussudio: yeah silly me for prefering usefulness over style |
| 16:08.12 | sussudio | nvz: you bastards. |
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| 16:08.18 | wasabi | usefulness comes first. If they'res room for style then by all means. |
| 16:08.28 | wasabi | But it has to be priced reasonably. :) |
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| 16:09.16 | beta3 | asg: I think its time I learn to use getopt |
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| 16:11.59 | sussudio | rule #1 about pc cleaning club: don't blow into the cpu heatsink after it's been on for 6 months. |
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| 16:12.30 | asg | nvz: always do |
| 16:12.35 | fpmc | how do I unload a module? |
| 16:12.39 | nnn | why not suss |
| 16:12.42 | asg | beta3: cool |
| 16:12.46 | tarzeau | fpmc: rmmod module |
| 16:12.47 | asg | fpmc: rmmod <mod> |
| 16:12.50 | trasher | how do I install packages from the experimental |
| 16:12.51 | sussudio | nnn: dust. storm. |
| 16:12.52 | fpmc | thank you |
| 16:12.58 | asg | trasher: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 16:13.21 | gourdin | kdebase-dev: Depends: ksysguard (= 4:3.1.3-1) but 4:3.1.4-1 is to be installed |
| 16:13.37 | joseph | when trying to get wireless working ds complains that no socket drivers are loaded |
| 16:13.45 | gourdin | can anyone tell me how to force apt to install kdebase-dev with my actual ksysguard version ? |
| 16:13.55 | sussudio | asg: btw i found a replacement board for my brother for 15 euro. it's working better now than before. |
| 16:14.02 | wasabi | gourdin, grab the old version from somewhere |
| 16:14.04 | beta3 | asg: C is easier to learn than I thought |
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| 16:14.24 | asg | beta3: yeah, it has some gotchas though |
| 16:14.26 | gourdin | wasabi: the old version ? of what ? kdebase-dev ? |
| 16:14.34 | asg | sussudio: nice |
| 16:14.34 | wasabi | of ksysguard |
| 16:14.44 | nvz | C is simple to learn, its learning how to do something useful with it thats the trick |
| 16:15.00 | gourdin | wasabi: dpkg -l | grep ksysguar |
| 16:15.00 | gourdin | ii ksysguard 3.1.4-1 KDE System Guard |
| 16:15.08 | wasabi | what's your point? |
| 16:15.20 | wasabi | kdebase-dev says it requires an earlier version |
| 16:15.25 | gourdin | yep |
| 16:15.28 | wasabi | k? |
| 16:15.32 | gourdin | 'k |
| 16:15.35 | wasabi | sid I assume? |
| 16:15.40 | gourdin | sarge |
| 16:15.42 | wasabi | ahh |
| 16:15.46 | gourdin | ah ? |
| 16:15.47 | gourdin | ;) |
| 16:16.06 | wasabi | ahh nothin. I dunno. |
| 16:16.21 | wasabi | sounds like the newer kdebase just hasn't made it yet |
| 16:16.21 | hanasaki | what isa good gui based diff tool? |
| 16:16.30 | wasabi | but I wonder how ksysguard got in there then |
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| 16:17.07 | gourdin | wasabi: I used unstable (sid) to install ksysguard when trying to install kde on my box |
| 16:17.17 | wasabi | well then that makes sense |
| 16:17.22 | gourdin | =) |
| 16:17.23 | wasabi | you are combining packages of the wrong versions. |
| 16:17.28 | gourdin | yep |
| 16:17.32 | nvz | hanasaki: your line of questioning is sickening.. not everything is better in a GUI.. in fact not many things are |
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| 16:17.35 | wasabi | so why you asking for help? |
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| 16:17.56 | gourdin | just to know if it s possible to force apt to use the new version |
| 16:18.07 | wasabi | dont think so |
| 16:18.07 | gourdin | or if I have to upgrade to sid |
| 16:18.12 | Fozzie | I'm trying to install the latest spamassassin and spamc on a stable box. What's the proper way to do this? |
| 16:18.15 | nvz | gourdin: it automatically does that |
| 16:18.20 | trasher | asg: but as dpkg says shouldn't that mean I get every available package from experimental if doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:18.41 | gourdin | does sid works well ? |
| 16:18.51 | sussudio | gourdin: no. |
| 16:18.59 | gourdin | 'k |
| 16:19.15 | asg | trasher: well, you just get the packages you need, and then comment out the sources afterwards |
| 16:19.43 | asg | trasher: alternately, you could just download the debs and their dependencies and 'dpkg -i *.deb' |
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| 16:19.52 | initech | gourdin: well sid works ok, but you have to be willing to accept certain trivial breakages that are almost constant |
| 16:20.00 | beta3 | asg: commenting in C is /* */ right? |
| 16:20.07 | asg | beta3: yes |
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| 16:20.19 | gourdin | initech: 'k, I think I prefere keeping my sarge then... |
| 16:20.22 | Fozzie | Any ideas? |
| 16:20.29 | nvz | depends, compiler comments are # IIRC |
| 16:20.33 | hanasaki | is there a way to do a diff on all files in two parallecl directory structures and only print the filenames that arnt the saem. not print the details? |
| 16:20.41 | asg | Fozzie: /msg dpkg simple sid backport || compile from source and stuff it in /usr/local or /opt |
| 16:21.04 | Fozzie | thanks |
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| 16:21.59 | qwerty_ | The cd-writing howto says under BLOCK you need loop back, where is this option? |
| 16:22.25 | nvz | qwerty_: kernel configuration |
| 16:22.36 | nvz | qwerty_: you probably already have it |
| 16:22.39 | asg | qwerty_: block devices |
| 16:22.48 | qwerty_ | nvz Im in the kernel, in the IDE section, I dont see it. |
| 16:22.58 | nvz | qwerty_: look under block devices |
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| 16:23.11 | nvz | qwerty_: what kernel version and distro are you using? |
| 16:23.14 | Noob-E | i installed lilo (not in the MBR), can i still install GRUB to manage multiboot ? |
| 16:23.17 | qwerty_ | IDE, hehe, ok its in block. My resolution this year is to RTFM! |
| 16:23.23 | qwerty_ | nvz 2.6.0 debian sid. |
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| 16:23.41 | nvz | qwerty_: you are not going to use scsi emulation are you? |
| 16:23.57 | qwerty_ | nvz Im going to use it. |
| 16:24.03 | Fozzie | asg: when I try to do the apt-get build-dep spamc I get "E: Unable to find a source package for spamc" |
| 16:24.39 | nvz | qwerty_: the version of cdrecord in sid supports IDE/ATAPI burners, and ide-scsi emulation is deprecated, |
| 16:24.41 | qwerty_ | If I dont have a scsi device, I dont need a low level driver eh? |
| 16:24.54 | nvz | qwerty_: nope, you actually dont need scsi at all |
| 16:25.08 | qwerty_ | nvz last time I had it working, I had lots of problems with doing it atapi method. I want scsi in as a module for a fall back. |
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| 16:25.36 | nvz | qwerty_: use scsi cdrom of course, and generic scsi, then ide-scsi in the ide section. |
| 16:26.00 | qwerty_ | nvz do you know if I have to do anything special for a dvd burner? |
| 16:26.18 | nvz | qwerty_: nope, I still havent even used a DVD other than XBOX games |
| 16:26.26 | t35t0r | how do i know if dma has been enabled? |
| 16:26.48 | qwerty_ | nvz hmm, it would appear as though you are evil? |
| 16:26.58 | Fozzie | I've heard that they got ide burning in 2.6 now |
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| 16:27.18 | nvz | qwerty_: just a little behind technology |
| 16:27.41 | qwerty_ | Fozzie yes, but I had troubles with it that the scsi seemed to fix. That was earlier pre-releases so I dono with the stable one. |
| 16:27.42 | nvz | qwerty_: I am running an Intel PIIX4 Pentium MMX 200mhz I bought for $5 |
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| 16:28.06 | qwerty_ | nvz cool, but um, did you buy an xbox? |
| 16:28.32 | nvz | qwerty_: no my cousin bought one off a drug dealer who didnt use it.. I just bought a game and a controller |
| 16:28.45 | Noob-E | nvz: i installed lilo (not in the MBR), can i still install GRUB to manage multiboot :) |
| 16:28.47 | nvz | qwerty_: if the xbox was mine, I'd be using it as my PC |
| 16:28.54 | qwerty_ | nvz When I hooked up the dsl I got into a 30 minute argument with the guy that my 75mhz firewall didnt need 350mhz. |
| 16:29.12 | nvz | Noob-E: I dont use grub, absolutly no reason to.. I have a very cool graphical lilo menu.. |
| 16:29.15 | trasher | asg: ok, thanks |
| 16:29.24 | Noob-E | ok |
| 16:29.25 | nvz | Noob-E: manages my multi-boot fine |
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| 16:29.45 | qwerty_ | nvz how do you get the graphical boot? I followed all the directions, and it didnt work. |
| 16:30.01 | Noob-E | nvz i´ve been told GRUN is better :) |
| 16:30.34 | gourdin | ( http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE here is my solution, keeping sarge, using unstable kde ;) |
| 16:30.34 | nvz | qwerty_: well it requires about 4 extra lines.. of course the path to a 640x480x16 Uncompressed bitmap, and then coords and color values for the menu and timer and such |
| 16:31.08 | nvz | Noob-E: it has advanced features for impossible situations.. but for normal use by someone who doesnt have a situation that lilo doesnt cover, its just a waste of time |
| 16:31.49 | Noob-E | nvz well have two disks one with win and one with linux, i thought only grub could manage multiboot with such a setup |
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| 16:31.51 | nvz | Noob-E: I have become very skilled in lilo configuration, using grub would be stupid, as I dont know how to use it, and I dont know of any specific reasons why I should use it |
| 16:32.07 | nevyn | grub's great if you're dealing with lots of kernels.. but for normal use on normalish hardware. |
| 16:32.11 | nvz | Noob-E: nope, I have two such machines here running lilo in the MBR /dev/hda |
| 16:32.15 | asuffield | uh, grub *is* better. it understands filesystems at boot time |
| 16:32.20 | nevyn | asuffield: right. |
| 16:32.43 | nevyn | which is great if you're switching kernels a lot or need to get out of a tight spot. |
| 16:32.56 | nvz | I;ll tell you what.. if grub can spindown my HD's with linux filesystems when I boot windows, I;d use it otherwise I dont see what it could do for me |
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| 16:33.18 | nevyn | nvz: windows would just spin them back up. |
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| 16:33.35 | nevyn | nvz: cause it will still see the hardware |
| 16:33.37 | nvz | nevyn: I figure.. it would be cool to be able to shut them off though.. |
| 16:33.51 | nevyn | nvz: unplug the damn things ;) |
| 16:33.58 | Noob-E | what´s the diff between having lilo in the MBR or the other option |
| 16:34.02 | nevyn | put a switch on the case so you can turn them off. |
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| 16:34.16 | nvz | nevyn: yeah well I dont even need a bootloader if I am going to take screws out and change drives everytime |
| 16:34.30 | nevyn | no... |
| 16:34.44 | ludwig | nvz: thank you! that's what i do |
| 16:34.44 | nevyn | just turn off the superfluous drives.. using a switch ;) |
| 16:35.09 | nvz | nevyn: if I find some nice switches I might just do that.. |
| 16:35.33 | nevyn | nvz: you'll need at least a double throw switch. |
| 16:35.42 | nevyn | to switch both 5v and 12v |
| 16:35.47 | nevyn | don't worry about the grounds |
| 16:35.52 | nvz | Noob-E: just put it into the MBR, and forget about it. Install windows beforehand, as it wont install with lilo in the mbr |
| 16:36.27 | nevyn | nvz: really. from what version? |
| 16:36.53 | nevyn | nvz: last time I installed windows (98) it did overwrite the MBR with a standard windows one. |
| 16:36.58 | nvz | nevyn: Win9x will assume you have compressed voumes or NTFS if there is unknown code in the MBR |
| 16:37.11 | Noob-E | hmm |
| 16:37.42 | nvz | nevyn: well I just installed Win98SE on two PCs this month.. and the installation would fail with error S0003 or something, until I did lilo -u |
| 16:37.47 | nevyn | hrm |
| 16:37.55 | qwerty_ | Last time I installed xp, even though I told it not to touch the partition table, it destroyed it. I kept my linux backed up on a different disk, only thing that saved it. |
| 16:38.01 | nevyn | maybe it was 95... |
| 16:38.23 | qwerty_ | nvz fdisk /mbr fixes most mbr problems. |
| 16:38.25 | nevyn | report card microsoft windows: does not play nicely with others. |
| 16:38.38 | nvz | qwerty_: doesnt remove lilo or fix the error I mentioned |
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| 16:39.33 | qwerty_ | nvz I installed linux on a machine for a friend, he replaced it with nt and when it rebooted to continue it would die. I had him do /mbr, reboot and it went right back to work at the install. |
| 16:39.47 | Noob-E | any good howtos on multiboot with lilo, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-LILO.html seems outdated |
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| 16:39.50 | Noob-E | ? |
| 16:39.58 | nvz | qwerty_: thats because it was overwriting its own code |
| 16:40.07 | qwerty_ | Noob-E are you any relation to Boob-E? |
| 16:40.17 | Noob-E | qwerty_ no :) |
| 16:40.34 | nvz | qwerty_: I dont think windows puts its bootloader in the exact same location as lilo does, as when you install lilo after windows, the windows bootloader remains |
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| 16:40.58 | lepton | Noob-E: don't know, I use grub, it's easy with grub |
| 16:41.25 | nvz | qwerty_: I am fairly certain it puts its bootloader on the beginning of the partition in most cases, and just has some generic mbr code to pass control to the bootloader on the partition |
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| 16:41.43 | Noob-E | lepton i installed lilo(not in the MBR) what happens with lilo when i install GRUB ? |
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| 16:41.54 | wasabi | Hmm. Is there anyway to set up a apt mirror where an admin can approve packages before they're available? Trying to figure out how to set up an office of Debian desktop machines. I don't just want them to update themselves, but I do want to push specific updates to them all... has this been conquerored before? |
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| 16:43.01 | troubled | mornin |
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| 16:43.09 | lepton | Noob-E: if u install grub, it overwrites lilo in the boot block |
| 16:43.12 | troubled | is there a quick way to flush the arp tables? |
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| 16:43.37 | Noob-E | lepton seems like a risky operation, what happens if things mess up |
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| 16:44.18 | nt0x | Im going to have to compile my own kernel |
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| 16:44.20 | nt0x | =/ |
| 16:44.21 | lepton | Noob-E: always keep a boot disk handy |
| 16:44.32 | troubled | nt0x: heaven forbid you ever have to do that |
| 16:44.43 | qwerty_ | lepton boot disks are for wussies. |
| 16:44.46 | nt0x | troubled, I have been told to use images |
| 16:45.00 | troubled | nt0x: probably meant for newbies only |
| 16:45.03 | nt0x | but 2.4 wont see ym nic |
| 16:45.09 | nt0x | brb |
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| 16:47.16 | coolnewbie | how do i set my runlevel to boot to console |
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| 16:47.37 | alexis_ | hi everybody ! |
| 16:47.47 | alexis_ | i just installed debian |
| 16:47.59 | alexis_ | and now i want to install kde 3.1.4 and gnome 2.4 |
| 16:48.03 | qwerty_ | alexis_ welcome friend! |
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| 16:48.31 | alexis_ | i have modified sources.list in order to include kde and gnome binaries |
| 16:48.47 | qwerty_ | alexis_ how did you modify them/ |
| 16:48.56 | alexis_ | but when i try apt-get install kde* or apt-get install gnome* |
| 16:49.08 | alexis_ | i get the broken packages error :( |
| 16:49.16 | alexis_ | i modified it with vi |
| 16:49.22 | alexis_ | i added the following lines |
| 16:49.56 | alexis_ | # GNOME 2.4 |
| 16:49.56 | alexis_ | deb http://source.rfc822.org/pub/local/gnoppix/gnome/gnome2.4/ ./ |
| 16:50.23 | alexis_ | and this other line |
| 16:50.41 | alexis_ | deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.4/Debian stable main |
| 16:50.53 | alexis_ | what am i doing wrong ?? |
| 16:50.54 | qwerty_ | What apt-get line are you using? |
| 16:51.28 | alexis_ | sorry i don't understand that question |
| 16:51.31 | tasio | why don't you upgrade to sid? |
| 16:51.45 | hanasaki | how can a apt-get be told to reinstall a package and overwrite any/all local changes that have been made? |
| 16:51.52 | qwerty_ | What are you typing? apt-get install cool_program? |
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| 16:52.01 | ludwig | hanasaki: apt-get --reinstall install foo |
| 16:52.03 | nvz | did my chat client /j #flood on its own? |
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| 16:52.26 | madness | nvz: weird. mine appears to have done that too |
| 16:52.27 | hanasaki | ludwig: thanks.. i did that. however; it does not overwrite all the /etc config files for it |
| 16:52.33 | madness | nvz: :P |
| 16:52.39 | ludwig | hanasaki: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 16:52.47 | alexis_ | [qwerty_] : yes i type apt-get install kde * |
| 16:53.00 | ludwig | kde* not kde * |
| 16:53.06 | qwerty_ | alexis_ thats why, you have to give it specific package names. |
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| 16:53.24 | hanasaki | ludwig: that doesnt wrok becuae the package is only 1/2 installed becaue the /etc config directory for it ws removed |
| 16:53.28 | The_Ball | anyone know where ntpd keeps it's log file? no time sync is happening and im trying to find out whats happening, and i have specified a valid time server |
| 16:53.44 | alexis_ | [qwerty_] : i also tried apt-get install kdebase, but it failed again |
| 16:53.46 | ludwig | hanasaki: well, create it :) |
| 16:53.56 | qwerty_ | hanasaki dpkg -P --force-depends package && apt-get install package. |
| 16:53.58 | hanasaki | ludwig: the goal is to just plain blow away the current install of the package and ignor3e the fact that someone changed the directories |
| 16:54.09 | hanasaki | ah |
| 16:54.09 | qwerty_ | alexis_ what did it say? |
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| 16:55.19 | alexis_ | [qwerty_] : package xxx < version 4.x.x.x ) but its not going to be installed |
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| 16:55.40 | qwerty_ | alexis_ what specificaly did it say? |
| 16:55.43 | lepton | hanasaki: remove the package, rm -f the config files. what package is it btw? |
| 16:56.49 | ludwig | hanasaki: usually i purge the package and then reinstall |
| 16:57.05 | alexis_ | [qwerty_] when apt tries to install any package it says that package is already installed with a newer version |
| 16:57.10 | t35t0r | i have an md0 : active raid0 hdb1[1] hda2[0] but they are both on the same cable, if i put the HD that currently on the top of the cable at the top of the new primary ide controller cable and the hd that was below that on the top of the secondary ide controller cable will the system bootup ok (without complaining that it can't find the RAID0)? |
| 16:57.24 | qwerty_ | alexis_ what package, what version? |
| 16:57.35 | alexis_ | [qwerty_] lots of packages |
| 16:57.35 | hanasaki | lepton: exim4 heavy deeamon |
| 16:57.44 | alexis_ | qwerty_: that is the problen |
| 16:57.46 | alexis_ | problem |
| 16:57.57 | qwerty_ | alexis_ the problem is you wont give me specific answers to your questions. |
| 16:58.00 | hanasaki | lepton: removeing the /etc conf was done.. by accident by another admin :( thats why it wont reinstall |
| 16:58.09 | alexis_ | if it was only one package i would have managed to install it from the source code |
| 16:58.12 | hanasaki | and remvoing exim removes tones of other stuff |
| 16:58.27 | lepton | hanasaki: installing qmail? |
| 16:58.34 | qwerty_ | alexis_ what version of debian are you using, what version is the kde debs for? |
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| 16:58.41 | mirak | hello |
| 16:58.55 | hanasaki | lepton: no.. reinstalling exim |
| 16:58.56 | hanasaki | lol |
| 16:59.00 | mirak | is it possible to use a MTU bigger than 1500 on a LAN ? |
| 16:59.09 | Sebulba02 | uh, why? |
| 16:59.13 | coolnewbie | how do i set my runlevel to boot to console |
| 16:59.15 | hanasaki | but reinstall fails caue the package has not /etc right now |
| 16:59.16 | ludwig | hanasaki: apt-get --purge remove foo (blasts everything in foo away) |
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| 16:59.36 | hanasaki | ludwig: yes.. however it kills all depndancys too. adn alot! depends on exim |
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| 16:59.48 | hanasaki | ludwig: so is that really a good idea? |
| 16:59.57 | lepton | ludwig: he doesn't want to do that |
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| 17:00.12 | hanasaki | bbias please hold |
| 17:00.16 | qwerty_ | hanasaki touch /etc/filename or dpkg --P --force-depends packagename |
| 17:00.21 | ludwig | oh i see. it's a dependencies thing |
| 17:00.31 | lepton | hanasaki: done an apt-get -f install? |
| 17:00.40 | hanasaki | qwerty_: thansk.. oh.. how do i turn off the force-depnds ? |
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| 17:00.47 | qwerty_ | hanasaki huh? |
| 17:00.48 | hanasaki | hmm -f? /me goes to the man pages |
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| 17:01.15 | lepton | hanasaki: I think it stands for "fix" |
| 17:01.17 | hanasaki | well now that i dida -force-depnds.. it seems to be ineffect for all apt-get ops |
| 17:01.21 | qwerty_ | hanasaki you want dependencie warnings. |
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| 17:01.52 | hanasaki | hmm man apt-get has no "-f" option |
| 17:01.59 | lepton | hanasaki: u could use dpkg to force removal, then dpkg -i exim-foo.deb |
| 17:02.11 | qwerty_ | hanasaki where do you get -f from? |
| 17:02.20 | abcnew | hi |
| 17:02.39 | coolnewbie | i want knowt my runlevel to boot to console rather than x |
| 17:02.42 | lepton | hanasaki: try apt-get --help |
| 17:02.45 | abcnew | what need for run java? |
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| 17:02.59 | ljlane | dpkg tell coolnewbie about nodm |
| 17:03.06 | hanasaki | lepton: removing exim4 removes smtp supprot and thus ALOT of other packages |
| 17:03.13 | hanasaki | right? |
| 17:03.17 | lepton | hanasaki: yes I know |
| 17:03.18 | abcnew | apt-get ? |
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| 17:03.31 | qwerty_ | New kernel, be back. |
| 17:03.32 | hanasaki | lepton: well i dont want to reinstall the ALOT of other packages duh |
| 17:03.34 | gypsymauro | Hi, I wan t to install sid on friend's PC but 'vent there ADSL, so I'm thinking to burn some CDs, it's a desktop environment, which CDs I need? all 7? |
| 17:03.36 | ljlane | nodm needs a rewrite |
| 17:03.51 | lepton | hanasaki: force removel with dpkg, ignoring all depends. reinstall with dpkg -i pointed at the .deb |
| 17:03.59 | hanasaki | ah |
| 17:04.02 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 17:04.03 | hanasaki | got it |
| 17:04.05 | hanasaki | brb |
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| 17:05.09 | trasher | I've done like dpkg tells me about installing xfree86 from experimental but I get an error from apt saying: Priority not set (or null) for neadle (bad translation from swedish) |
| 17:05.21 | oskie | gypsymauro: you need the first CD |
| 17:05.57 | gypsymauro | oskie: there iare kde / gnome openoffice mozilla on it? |
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| 17:07.11 | Knuckles | Hi! Has anybody seen this: ppp times out sending Config-Requests with kernel 2.6 for me. (both w/ and w/o devpts enabled) |
| 17:07.27 | Knuckles | Works ok with 2.4 krnels, again both w/ and w/o devpts |
| 17:07.50 | Knuckles | I use pppoe |
| 17:08.16 | Knuckles | On woody |
| 17:08.47 | Knuckles | using updated packages for 2.6 (module-init-tools etc) from backports.org |
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| 17:10.25 | Knuckles | Problem with 2.6 is both with kerne-image-2.6.o-686 from backports.org, and self-compiled from kernel.org |
| 17:10.53 | Knuckles | Ok with 2.4 both selfcompiled and Adrian bunk's 2.4.22 image |
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| 17:13.39 | trasher | i've done like dpkg says to install the xfree-4.3.0 experimental packages but it says Priority not set (or null) for neadle (bad translation) |
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| 17:14.23 | Joona--- | How do I get the new kernel work? I've downloaded and installed it (2.4.18 K7)but uname -a says I still have the 2.2 version |
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| 17:14.46 | caphuso | trasher: don't put stuff into your /etc/apt/preferences file |
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| 17:15.53 | delire | Joona---: all you have installed is the *.tar.bz2. you need to cd into you /usr/src/ directory and 'tar -xvjf <kernel-source>' and then compile it |
| 17:15.57 | trasher | caphuso: if I don't it says Package-head missing |
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| 17:16.48 | hanasaki | ok.. exim4 is reinstalling without error but its not putting any configfiles under /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl |
| 17:16.52 | Joona--- | delire, I installed kernel-image-2.4.18 with apt-get |
| 17:16.54 | hanasaki | the conf is empty |
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| 17:17.08 | delire | Joona---: yes you did |
| 17:17.12 | hanasaki | how cna i get apt-get to put in the package conf files for exim4 |
| 17:17.33 | hanasaki | ? |
| 17:17.33 | caphuso | hanasaki: dpkg -i --force-confmiss exim4-whatever.deb |
| 17:17.45 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 17:18.20 | delire | Joona---: 'ls /usr/src/' you will see 'kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2' |
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| 17:18.32 | Joona--- | delire, I found this page: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Install_Kernel000.html Is that what I need to do? |
| 17:18.34 | delire | Joona---: ahh right, you install the image |
| 17:18.47 | Joona--- | yeah |
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| 17:19.12 | delire | Joona---: well then you need to copy that to your boot directory and edit lilo.conf i would say. though i never use images |
| 17:19.28 | delire | Joona---: normally compile the source to make my own image |
| 17:19.38 | Joona--- | It said I need to add initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf but it did by itself |
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| 17:20.12 | Joona--- | so all I need to do is to copy initrd.img to /boot? |
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| 17:20.25 | delire | Joona---: right, dunno. does it have a 'label' in lilo.conf? does it come up in the menu? yeah check it's there.. |
| 17:20.32 | hanasaki | caphuso: thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i needed |
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| 17:21.10 | mobtown | okay... i have just built a debian box and i have the nic installed... it can ping my other computer just fine, but it cannot connect to or even ping anything outside of my house... any ideas? |
| 17:21.14 | Joona--- | delire, the menu shows Linux /dev/hda3 and WinNT /dev/hda1 and neither one is mentioned in the lilo.conf :P |
| 17:21.49 | Joona--- | but I'll try copying the files to /boot and see if it works |
| 17:21.50 | Joona--- | thanks |
| 17:21.51 | hanasaki | bbl al |
| 17:22.14 | Joona--- | btw. what is the copy command? copy? |
| 17:22.27 | madness | Joona---: cp |
| 17:22.31 | Joona--- | ok |
| 17:22.34 | trasher | dpkg's experimental descriptions says you should type 'Priority:...' it should be 'Pin-Priority:...' |
| 17:22.36 | madness | Joona---: www.tldp.org is your friend. |
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| 17:24.10 | nt0x | hmmm, I ferget what makes to do after I config the kernel |
| 17:24.53 | qwerty_ | ntox make bzImage && make modules && make install && make modules_install |
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| 17:25.08 | nt0x | make dep? |
| 17:25.10 | delire | nt0x: if it's a pre 2.6 kernel |
| 17:25.11 | nt0x | make clean ? |
| 17:25.17 | qwerty_ | ntox make bzImage && make modules && make install && make modules_install && echo Compile\ is\ succesfull\! |
| 17:25.18 | nt0x | its 2.6 |
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| 17:25.39 | qwerty_ | nt0x make clean isnt nessecary. |
| 17:25.52 | delire | nt0x: well then just 'make' and 'make modules_install' (to be sure) |
| 17:26.10 | daveb | Is there a davfs2 package available for debian? |
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| 17:26.25 | delire | nt0x: then 'cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/<kernel-name>' |
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| 17:26.29 | nt0x | thats all I have to do is 'make' and 'make modules_install' ? |
| 17:26.32 | doppiabeo | hy |
| 17:26.48 | qwerty_ | Anyone have any luck with dvd playback? |
| 17:26.50 | delire | nt0x: then edit your lilo.conf to reference this name and then '/sbin/lilo' and try it out |
| 17:27.00 | delire | qwerty_: yep, what's the problem? |
| 17:27.04 | doppiabeo | I've a problem |
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| 17:27.24 | mobtown | me too with the problems... |
| 17:27.26 | strider_ | playing around with X, is there some way of testing on what devive my mouse os ` |
| 17:27.29 | qwerty_ | delire none yet, Im just getting started. Any good fm's out there? Also, do you know of a program to compress the dvd to fit on a 4.4? |
| 17:27.30 | nt0x | lets wait with the lilo instructions, Thats where I allways mess up |
| 17:27.30 | strider_ | *is |
| 17:27.46 | delire | qwerty_" sorry 4.4? |
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| 17:27.55 | ToreSB | Hello y'all! |
| 17:28.09 | qwerty_ | delire dvd r, 4.4g. |
| 17:28.15 | strider_ | im sure there is some tool to configure the mouse, speed, input e.t.c. ? |
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| 17:28.28 | ToreSB | GOD, I hate my VGA card |
| 17:28.31 | delire | qwerty_: oh.. no.. never burned a dvd on my linux box |
| 17:28.37 | doppiabeo | I use a lot dselect for changing my .deb packages in use and to search the package i need |
| 17:28.52 | delire | qwerty_: dvd playback is really sorted out with 'ogle'. |
| 17:28.54 | strider_ | ok guess not |
| 17:29.06 | mith | wow, someone actually uses dselect still? how can you stand that peice of crap? |
| 17:29.10 | doppiabeo | but I've done a mistake with my dselect |
| 17:29.10 | delire | qwerty_: grabs all the libdvdread and libdvdcss you need. |
| 17:29.16 | qwerty_ | delire under winderz dvdshrink will shrink a dvd to a size that will fit on a 4.4, real good quality. I tried ogle, it keeps dying on me. |
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| 17:29.30 | doppiabeo | :( |
| 17:29.32 | delire | qwerty_: oh.. why? use mplayer then |
| 17:29.44 | mobtown | anybody wanna help me? lol... pick me! pick me! |
| 17:29.48 | qwerty_ | delire cant find libdvdread. |
| 17:29.59 | doppiabeo | it' s usefull for manage cd's pakages |
| 17:30.02 | delire | qwerty_: dvd::rip is great for ripping dvd's and compressing it on the fly |
| 17:30.13 | strider_ | another question, how do i get back to the x-server that is running ? i pressed shif+alt+f1 and the window popped out |
| 17:30.14 | Quozzy | just a little technical question... |
| 17:30.19 | Quozzy | about GNU |
| 17:30.31 | delire | qwerty_: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 17:30.38 | delire | sorry that was for strider |
| 17:30.43 | delire | strider_: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 17:30.48 | qwerty_ | delire cool. |
| 17:30.59 | The_Ball | im trying to install qmail, but exim is installed, how can i remove the exim package without removing everything that depends on mail-transport-agent? |
| 17:30.59 | Quozzy | Is Debian/RedHat or any other linux distributor Mac-Compatible? |
| 17:31.03 | strider_ | delire: thanks |
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| 17:31.11 | delire | The_Ball: isn't it an arse! |
| 17:31.19 | delire | Quozzy: debian |
| 17:31.21 | strider_ | delire: any idea how to test what device my mouse is on ? |
| 17:31.23 | The_Ball | delire, it is ! |
| 17:31.26 | delire | Quozzy: SuSe |
| 17:31.30 | madness | Quozzy: quite a few are. |
| 17:31.34 | caphuso | The_Ball: how are you installing qmail? |
| 17:31.51 | strider_ | i remember there was some great tool for configuring these things |
| 17:31.52 | The_Ball | caphuso, qmail-src package |
| 17:32.01 | delire | strider_: xf86config |
| 17:32.01 | strider_ | i used it a year ago when i was installling X |
| 17:32.07 | strider_ | ah |
| 17:32.11 | strider_ | great del |
| 17:32.13 | strider_ | ire |
| 17:32.13 | Quozzy | delire, madness: i seem to find only one download link |
| 17:32.20 | caphuso | The_Ball: dpkg -P --force-depends exim; dpkg -i qmail_foo.deb |
| 17:32.40 | The_Ball | caphuso, thank you very much! |
| 17:32.42 | doppiabeo | please i'm a newbie, and I still need dselect for managing my o.s. |
| 17:32.44 | Quozzy | and I don't want to download my way through 700megs of OS before I realize I'm downloadeing the wrong thing |
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| 17:32.52 | delire | Quozzy: for debian? there are a zillion mirrors for the debian PPC CD's and a #debian-ppc channel |
| 17:32.53 | calamari_ | hi |
| 17:33.08 | delire | Quozzy: may be #debianppc not sure |
| 17:33.09 | Quozzy | hmm |
| 17:33.31 | doppiabeo | azz |
| 17:33.37 | mobtown | does anyone in here know anything about making your network go in debian? |
| 17:33.48 | mobtown | :-P |
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| 17:33.52 | madness | mobtown: you'll have to be more specific than that |
| 17:33.56 | doppiabeo | :(((((((( |
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| 17:33.59 | calamari_ | somehow in all my kernel recompiling, modules no longer load automatically (in particular nvidia.o would be nice to load). Not sure where to start fixing this at. |
| 17:34.08 | delire | mobtown: is it a DSL/Cable connection? |
| 17:34.27 | delire | calamari_: check /etc/modules |
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| 17:34.43 | mobtown | i have my nic installed and can ping the other computer in my house, but if i try to ping anything outside the house, or to connect to a web page, it's says the host is unreachable... |
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| 17:34.53 | delire | calamari_: once you've booted into your new kernel 'modproble -l' to see which modules you compiled and can load |
| 17:34.58 | v0m1t | error while "make-kpkg kernel-image" compiling 2.6.0-test11 kernel --> "depmod: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 255" |
| 17:35.02 | delire | calamari_: then edit your /etc/modules |
| 17:35.04 | mobtown | it's fixed wireless high speed... comparable to cable i suppose |
| 17:35.14 | madness | mobtown: by IP , or by name ? |
| 17:35.15 | delire | v0m1t: are you root? |
| 17:35.31 | v0m1t | running debian unstable |
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| 17:35.52 | mobtown | madness: ip is called comwavz |
| 17:35.52 | delire | mobtown: is your router / gateway DHCP? |
| 17:36.04 | madness | mobtown: umm ? |
| 17:36.08 | v0m1t | delire: yes |
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| 17:36.17 | delire | v0m1t: does the path exist? |
| 17:36.42 | doppiabeo | I need only to know how to make my dselect or apt to get all my debian cdrom as source of the packages... |
| 17:36.44 | delire | mobtown: does it give out IP's to clients or do you have to set them manually? |
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| 17:36.49 | doppiabeo | I need only to know how to make my dselect or apt to get all my debian cdrom as source of the packages... . |
| 17:36.50 | doppiabeo | I need only to know how to make my dselect or apt to get all my debian cdrom as source of the packages... |
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| 17:36.56 | doppiabeo | I need only to know how to make my dselect or apt to get all my debian cdrom as source of the packages... . |
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| 17:37.01 | RoNiS | hi |
| 17:37.03 | delire | doppiabeo: use apt-cd |
| 17:37.04 | mobtown | i have no router, but the isp installed a workgroup bridge that i've been told is basically the wireless equivalent of a cable modem... |
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| 17:37.56 | RoNiS | how i can install debian SID without install testing or stable first and than upgrade the dist? I mean, a ISO for sid or something like thate |
| 17:37.57 | tam | whenever a fsck finishes doing what it does it comes back saying that the disk is offline...is that a bad thing? |
| 17:38.05 | delire | doppiabeo: sorry that's apt-cdrom |
| 17:38.17 | tam | ~netinstall |
| 17:38.18 | | netinst is, like, a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/, or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ |
| 17:38.18 | v0m1t | delire: there is no extra folder inside /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules |
| 17:38.24 | v0m1t | so.. no |
| 17:38.31 | tarzeau | RoNiS: i recommend install stable first |
| 17:38.42 | RoNiS | tarzeau why? |
| 17:38.45 | tarzeau | RoNiS: an iso for sid would be outdated the other day |
| 17:38.52 | tam | lol true |
| 17:38.54 | tarzeau | RoNiS: and who'd make that iso? and make sure the iso works? |
| 17:39.05 | tarzeau | RoNiS: the problem is it might be broken, and your download would be for nothing |
| 17:39.07 | RoNiS | tarzeau i know, but something like a program that install the debian from the internet |
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| 17:39.16 | RoNiS | taking the .debs in the install |
| 17:39.21 | tarzeau | the other way you can give the cd to a friend, he'd be glad about it |
| 17:39.32 | tarzeau | RoNiS: there's that jigdo tool taht can do it |
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| 17:39.49 | tarzeau | but i don't recommend install anything else than stable, unless you want to test the new testing installer |
| 17:39.54 | mobtown | i installed dhcp3-dev in the hopes that it would help, but it has changed nothing... |
| 17:40.01 | tarzeau | www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 17:40.03 | gypsymauro | OT: how many times I can reburn a rewritable CD? |
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| 17:40.17 | RoNiS | tarzeau hum |
| 17:40.18 | RoNiS | thanks |
| 17:40.19 | delire | gypsymauro: as many times as you can before it breaks |
| 17:40.48 | gypsymauro | tarzeau: but sid downloaded with jigdo have the new d-i? |
| 17:40.52 | gypsymauro | delire: :PPPP |
| 17:41.07 | RoNiS | tarzeau i have used sid for a long time, but every time that i want to format, i have to install stable and after make a dist-upgrade, but it is annoying :D |
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| 17:42.18 | delire | RoNiS: yes it is.. i use netinstall for woody and then take it to testing usually |
| 17:42.28 | gypsymauro | RoNiS: whi this? |
| 17:42.30 | gypsymauro | why |
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| 17:42.47 | RoNiS | gypsymauro i just want something that install the debian SID from the internet |
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| 17:42.55 | caphuso | RoNiS: nobody's forcing you to install anything more than the base system before you dist-upgrade |
| 17:43.09 | eric | jj |
| 17:43.09 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: i guess so, but i'm not sure |
| 17:43.11 | RoNiS | caphuso but i lose time |
| 17:43.16 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: ask in #debian-boot |
| 17:43.19 | delire | RoNiS: just gran a netinstall to get the base kernel and packages on board and then take it up |
| 17:43.26 | caphuso | RoNiS: no |
| 17:43.32 | tarzeau | RoNiS: why ever need to install from scratch? |
| 17:43.35 | eric | alan here? |
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| 17:43.39 | gypsymauro | RoNiS: ah ok, but I can download the sid CDs with jigdo no? |
| 17:43.43 | RoNiS | tarzeau time |
| 17:43.45 | gypsymauro | tanx tarzeau |
| 17:43.55 | RoNiS | gypsymauro don't knoe |
| 17:43.57 | RoNiS | know |
| 17:44.08 | caphuso | gypsymauro: you can, if you have a desire for non-booting, non-installable, outdated and most likely broken CDs... |
| 17:44.44 | gypsymauro | caphuso: why you say that? aren't goods the sid CD? |
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| 17:45.10 | gypsymauro | I know sid is unstable but I'm using it and it works very well |
| 17:45.21 | RoNiS | gypsymauro me too |
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| 17:45.49 | eric | what should I apt-get in order to run X? |
| 17:46.02 | gypsymauro | eric: w-window-system |
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| 17:46.23 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Why would you waste your time downloading a set of Sid CD's? |
| 17:46.27 | calamari_ | delire: thanks for the module help above :) |
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| 17:46.52 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Ones that you more than likely cannot boot from and more than likely cannot install from? |
| 17:47.02 | tam | how do i get a disk to come back online? |
| 17:47.02 | gypsymauro | mwilson: 'cause I want to install a gnome 2.4 desktop to friends and there I've not DSL |
| 17:47.03 | eric | only w-window-system? need to edit apt source? my source is ftp.debian.org |
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| 17:47.15 | cuse | What is the equivalent for 'apt-cache search bla' if I want to search only for packages that are already installed? |
| 17:47.28 | hanasaki | how do i turn off the vi option that automatically indents on the next line? its hell when pasting lines yes i read the man pages |
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| 17:47.54 | doublebeo | I've my voice? |
| 17:48.08 | doublebeo | yes |
| 17:48.11 | gypsymauro | mwilson: I was supposing the are working |
| 17:48.22 | doublebeo | thanks a lot |
| 17:48.37 | gypsymauro | mwilson: do u have an alternative? |
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| 17:49.04 | gypsymauro | mwilson: maybe starting from woody for the install and then apt-cdrom add the sid CDs? |
| 17:49.13 | eric | no need to get KDE? or any other things? |
| 17:49.22 | DaCa | hanasaki: :h paste |
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| 17:49.34 | chris____ | can someone point me to documentation concerning character composing? |
| 17:49.35 | gypsymauro | eric: if u need kde apt-get install kde |
| 17:49.43 | doublebeo | I want to say a thing about apt : by now that i'm on a broad band it' sbetter to download packages from the debian site |
| 17:49.46 | gypsymauro | eric: u asked for X:) |
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| 17:49.54 | doublebeo | :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 17:49.58 | tam | bye |
| 17:49.59 | hanasaki | thanks DaCa |
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| 17:50.42 | cuse | chris____: what do you mean with "character composing"? |
| 17:50.54 | Joona--- | delire, I already had the initrd.img-2.4.18-1-k7 in /boot |
| 17:51.10 | eric | I mix up something.... My knowledge problem. I just want to setup a KDE destop. So I think I must install X before. right? |
| 17:51.17 | gypsymauro | a question, now that packages.debian.org is down, how I can search if a packages is on testing if I've not it in sources.list? |
| 17:51.28 | chris____ | cuse: i would like to be able to type non-ascii characters like an a with an accent. |
| 17:51.32 | hanasaki | hmm DaCa it says :paste is not a editor command |
| 17:51.56 | Joona--- | lilo.conf has "image=/vmlinuz label = Linux" and "image=/initrd.img label = Linux new" |
| 17:52.14 | Joona--- | it shows only vmlinuz in the menu |
| 17:52.17 | DaCa | hanasaki: its an option, so you need :set paste |
| 17:52.25 | hanasaki | ah |
| 17:52.29 | delire | Joona---: well then edit the lilo.conf to reference your new kernel |
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| 17:52.51 | Joona--- | I tried commenting out the vmlinuz. initrd.img is the new one |
| 17:52.54 | doublebeo | joona : and after run lilo |
| 17:53.02 | js | is there a way to comment out a chunk of lines in vim? |
| 17:53.14 | doublebeo | Joona---: or lilo -q |
| 17:53.23 | Joona--- | doublebeo, what does that do? |
| 17:53.33 | caphuso | js: something like :10,20s/^/#/ |
| 17:53.49 | doublebeo | it updates your lilo with the new kernel image |
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| 17:53.54 | js | caphuso: ah, smart |
| 17:54.07 | Joona--- | ok so editing the lilo.conf won't help without that? |
| 17:54.15 | doublebeo | right |
| 17:54.21 | Joona--- | ok, I'll try that |
| 17:54.22 | Joona--- | => |
| 17:54.27 | doublebeo | :) |
| 17:54.29 | cuse | chris____: do you have the appropriate character sets already installed? |
| 17:54.54 | t35t0r | i tried hdparm -X69 -d1 /dev/hda but it couldn't turn on DMA got message: /dev/hda: ; setting using_dma to 1 (on) ; HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted ; setting xfermode to 69 (UltraDMA mode5) ; HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(setxfermode) failed: Input/output error ; using_dma = 0 (off) ..why did it do this it is UDMA5 capable and the BIOS is set (automatically) correctly UDMA 5 & PIO 4 |
| 17:54.57 | boucman | js: shift-v to select the lines you want than shift-i, type the # and <esc> |
| 17:55.08 | js | cool, thanks |
| 17:55.30 | js | oh stupid me |
| 17:55.51 | nvz | well I have lost interest in the auto-wah time to find something else to amuse myself with |
| 17:55.59 | js | that doesnt work boucman |
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| 17:56.44 | hanasaki | DaCa: is :set noai the same? |
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| 17:57.27 | chris____ | cuse: probably not. i am really _new_ to character(set)s :-/ |
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| 17:57.50 | KarlosII | okay i need some hardware council, what's the difference between fluidbearing hddd and the 8mb cache ones? |
| 17:57.50 | Barna | Is there a debian i386 netinstaller ISO which can set up a reiserfs for me? |
| 17:57.59 | KarlosII | barna yah |
| 17:58.08 | greycat | ~install |
| 17:58.09 | | i guess install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 17:58.09 | KarlosII | oh reinserfs..dunno |
| 17:58.14 | eric | what is "no screen found" error? it occour after I type startx |
| 17:58.26 | greycat | eric: /msg apt noscreensfound |
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| 17:58.54 | greycat | apt, noscreensfound is also ask me about "set up x" |
| 17:58.55 | | okay, greycat |
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| 17:59.58 | eric | greycat: how can I setup X? I try many many times and fail..... |
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| 18:00.18 | greycat | eric: what video card, what version of X, what version of Debian, ... |
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| 18:00.50 | datrus | hello, does anyone know how to launch script on an ssh connection so that it keeps running after the connection is closed? |
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| 18:01.13 | tarzeau | datrus: script & disown |
| 18:01.19 | tarzeau | or start it inside GNU screen |
| 18:01.34 | datrus | tarzeau: that's what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 18:01.35 | tarzeau | eric: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 18:02.03 | datrus | quit |
| 18:02.04 | eric | greycat: I use Nvidia geforce MX64. X maybe the lastest one. The Debian is woody |
| 18:02.05 | delire | greycat: sorry about my drunken squandering with mutt last night. all setup now. works beautifully with a little sobriety. thanks |
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| 18:03.07 | greycat | eric: you do not have the "latest X". Certainly not with woody. |
| 18:03.09 | greycat | eric: /msg apt nvidia debs |
| 18:03.17 | [m0rph] | hi |
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| 18:03.35 | ChubbyBoy_21_SP | hi everybody! dows anyone know if there is any problem with ifconfig in the sid dist? |
| 18:04.01 | [m0rph] | can someone tell me in which file protocols are enabled? |
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| 18:04.29 | [m0rph] | cause the ipv6 module loads automatically on start |
| 18:04.31 | eric | greycat: I just apt-get x-windox-system. is it work anyway? |
| 18:04.32 | The_Ball | for a athlon xp2500 barton, is kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 the best kernel image or 686? |
| 18:04.32 | RoNiS | what's the difference between the image buisnesscard and netinst of Debian Installer? |
| 18:05.06 | greycat | eric: you most likely need a closed-source nvidia driver (which has two pieces: a kernel driver pieces and an X server driver module) |
| 18:05.10 | greycat | eric: /msg apt nvidia debs |
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| 18:05.29 | strider_ | heeeelp,. whatever i do i can't get the mouse to work in X |
| 18:05.30 | delire | anyone here used mutt in conjunction with w3m-img to view images inline? |
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| 18:05.39 | strider_ | tried ttys0 |
| 18:05.40 | strider_ | tried ttys1 |
| 18:05.43 | strider_ | auto |
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| 18:05.46 | delire | strider_: what is the mouse? |
| 18:05.48 | strider_ | microsoft |
| 18:05.50 | RoNiS | Is it reiser fs a good file system? |
| 18:06.00 | JimButton | RoNiS: do you want to start a flamewar? |
| 18:06.05 | strider_ | delire: its just a no name ps/2 3 button mouse |
| 18:06.12 | greycat | ~start a file system war |
| 18:06.18 | greycat | ~start a fs war |
| 18:06.19 | | JFS is better than XFS!! |
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| 18:06.30 | eric | greycat: thanks so much |
| 18:06.31 | RoNiS | JimButton why? |
| 18:06.31 | RoNiS | :D |
| 18:06.34 | ChubbyBoy_21_SP | hi everybody! dows anyone know if there is any problem with ifconfig in the sid dist? |
| 18:06.36 | delire | delire: /dev/psaux with protocol PS/2 should be fine |
| 18:06.44 | JimButton | RoNiS: i don't know why you would want that |
| 18:06.50 | JimButton | RoNiS: i am just asking |
| 18:06.51 | greycat | RoNiS: why don't you just ask whether emacs is better than vim? |
| 18:06.51 | strider_ | i guess that was for me |
| 18:06.52 | strider_ | :) |
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| 18:06.57 | strider_ | i will try it out |
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| 18:07.45 | delire | RoNiS: reiserfs requires a reinstall, you can't take an existing ext2/3 fs over to reiserfs i believe. that is one disadvantage. i would wait for reiserfs4 anyway |
| 18:07.56 | RoNiS | greenfly i just want to know if i can trust in reiser, because in debian instalation it says that reiser still unconfiable but in gentoo manual says that reiser is so good as ext3 and others |
| 18:07.57 | delire | RoNiS: i may be wrong there.. |
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| 18:08.01 | greycat | delire: only if you want to make *root* be reiserfs. |
| 18:08.07 | delire | greycat: yes |
| 18:08.26 | greycat | delire: and since most sane people will have a tiny little itty bitty root file system, and all the real stuff in separate partitions, it's just a non-issue. Leave root as ext2. |
| 18:08.28 | manchine | what is the main difference between sarge and sid versions? |
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| 18:08.40 | RoNiS | delire but i'll format this now anyway |
| 18:08.44 | greycat | manchine: bugs. |
| 18:08.50 | delire | RoNiS: a second mounted partition would be good to experiment with reiserfs |
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| 18:09.12 | manchine | greycat, which of the 2 is less buggy? |
| 18:09.15 | RoNiS | delire ok |
| 18:09.18 | delire | greycat: i ditched root over a running debate with fsck and unstable power |
| 18:09.29 | greycat | manchine: in theory, sarge is less buggy, having survived ~10 days without any RC bugs |
| 18:09.31 | Joona--- | I tried the lilo. it said "warning: LBA32 addression assumed. Fatal: Kernel / initrd.img is too big." |
| 18:09.34 | greycat | manchine: /msg apt testing |
| 18:09.38 | delire | greycat: i mean ext2 |
| 18:10.03 | greycat | delire: I'm still waiting for Linux to have an actual stable file system. |
| 18:10.09 | delire | Joona---: you ran /sbin/lilo? |
| 18:10.15 | greycat | delire: unfortunately, Linux is all *SPEEDSPEEDSPEED* and not stability. |
| 18:10.19 | Joona--- | just type lilo |
| 18:10.35 | delire | greycat: i have no problems with ext3 |
| 18:10.38 | treestone | RoNiS: I use reiserfs on partitions where I need to now and then extend the filesystem (these are LVM partitions, obviously) "live", i.e. where I can't unmount first. ext3 still needs a kernel patch for that (in 2.4) I believe. Otherwise I use ext3. |
| 18:10.59 | delire | greycat: other than when i am doing hard disk audio recording |
| 18:11.09 | manchine | is it true that debian is about to port anaconda installer? |
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| 18:11.16 | delire | greycat: for which reiserfs is reccommended |
| 18:11.22 | strider_ | yeah |
| 18:11.22 | RoNiS | treestone hum ok |
| 18:11.27 | strider_ | finally online :) |
| 18:11.30 | Joona--- | the img is 2MB where the default vmlinuz is only 627kB |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | delire: AFAICT reiserfs is the only one that's actually *less* stable than ext2 :-/ |
| 18:11.59 | Joona--- | delire, do you know what I need to do? |
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| 18:11.59 | greycat | delire: by "stable" I mean "if you crash the box in the middle of a huge write operation, can fsck put it back together?" |
| 18:12.07 | strider_ | the GUI is awful tho |
| 18:12.18 | strider_ | this must be some kind of standard GUI thing |
| 18:12.26 | delire | greycat: AFAIK reiserfs is still the fastes write-to-disk for DAW applications. i don't know this from experience however |
| 18:12.46 | greycat | delire: every report I see on reiserfs is still accompanied by "too bad it doesn't have a working fsck yet" |
| 18:12.51 | mwilson | manchine: No, it is not. |
| 18:13.11 | delire | Joona---: is this with an installed image or with an image you compiled? |
| 18:13.20 | delire | greycat: yes |
| 18:13.21 | Joona--- | installed |
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| 18:14.05 | delire | anyone here tried using screen (with split) and w3m-img to view images inline in mutt? |
| 18:14.18 | delire | .. attachments i mean here |
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| 18:14.29 | manchine | mwilson, so, the installing proces will basicaly remain as it is nowadays? no graphical installer planned, then... |
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| 18:15.03 | nvz | delire: sounds like a complicated attempt to make a graphical mail client in text mode |
| 18:15.04 | greycat | manchine: thank god. |
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| 18:15.21 | delire | Joona---: well i can't help sorry. i have never used a precompiled kernel image other than the 2.2.20 that comes with initial install. |
| 18:15.21 | Aquarina | Hi, how do I configure locales on my debian? is it just apt-get install locales? |
| 18:15.34 | mwilson | manchine: No one has said that, either. Why does the process of there being a new installer require the RedHat POS? Why does there need to be a graphical installer? The fact that an application magically gains a GUI does not make it any better or any worse of a tool to use. |
| 18:15.40 | greycat | Aquarina: yes, or "dpkg-reconfigure locales" if it's already installed |
| 18:15.48 | azreal | manchine: i think the idea is that a gui installer can be provided by 3rd party software, if you must have a gui installer, which most people think is pointless |
| 18:15.52 | Aquarina | greycat: tks ;) |
| 18:16.04 | zlate | im looking for a "Webserver howto" for debian? |
| 18:16.08 | bucky | RedHat Point of Sale ? |
| 18:16.19 | tarzeau | zlate: apt-get install thttpd; cp stuff /var/www |
| 18:16.33 | azreal | manchine: the new installer will be a good base for people to write gui for |
| 18:16.36 | greycat | zlate: I'd recommend apache instead of thttpd, but otherwise the same |
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| 18:16.44 | delire | nvz: a little, i just use w3m and screen alot anyway |
| 18:16.56 | manchine | i think it would definitively democratize debian, bringing it to a broader audience. |
| 18:17.12 | nvz | delire: yeah I like screen I am still a bit ignorant to the split function though.. tried it once, but couldnt figure it out |
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| 18:17.13 | mwilson | manchine: Why? What *benefit* does it bring? |
| 18:17.13 | delire | zlate: apache is a webserver with howto |
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| 18:17.28 | manchine | mwilson, easiness |
| 18:17.31 | zlate | debhelper: how do you mean? |
| 18:17.37 | zlate | i have one guide, http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/index.html |
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| 18:17.51 | greycat | manchine: easiness of fucking up on old hardware? Oh joy, please fuck us harder. |
| 18:17.55 | mwilson | manchine: Really. What is it about an application having a GUI interface that magically makes something "easier"? |
| 18:18.00 | delire | nvz: for better or worse i am addicted to the split in screen. viewing image attachments inline, and html when necessary in the term would be a useful extension of mutt. |
| 18:18.00 | zlate | but i wounder if there are more guides |
| 18:18.07 | delire | nvz: for my purposes anyway |
| 18:18.22 | manchine | mwilson, u have to abandon the traditional geeky viewpoint for a while. i'm talking about end-users, not developers |
| 18:18.36 | bucky | mwilson: it brings more newbies in here, isn't that what you want? |
| 18:18.38 | greycat | manchine: fuck end users. We're systems administrators. |
| 18:18.46 | delire | mwilson: rlatively speaking of course. many have never related to a computer outside of a gui. |
| 18:18.57 | nvz | delire: I split my screen once assuming it was going to attach a bash session to the split, which it did not, just showed a blank split, then I could not figure out how to get rid of it.. |
| 18:19.00 | bucky | newbies and stupid FAQ questions |
| 18:19.11 | azreal | manchine: its whats under the hood that counts, listen to what i say when i say "there will be 3rd party gui's", if you must have one |
| 18:19.15 | mwilson | manchine: And YOU have to switch your brain on and actually have a discussion, rather than cluttering it with stupidities. Either answer the damn question, or admit that your whole argument boils down to "because!" |
| 18:19.16 | manchine | bucky, thatbis the main objective we should be up to |
| 18:19.19 | greycat | speaking of which, this *is* a FAQ already. |
| 18:19.19 | zlate | delire: what did you mean with "webserver with howto" ? |
| 18:19.20 | thiccups | manchine: there are already a handful of *easy newbie friendly* linux why should Debian embrace more newbs? shouldnt we have at least (1) *nix that requirs some skill? |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | ~tell manchine about install |
| 18:19.26 | bucky | manchine: exactly |
| 18:19.32 | delire | nvz: ctrl+a-d kills the split |
| 18:19.41 | bucky | [/sarcasm] |
| 18:19.44 | greycat | bucky: no, we do not want more newbies, thankyouverymuch |
| 18:19.49 | mirak | is there a way to make iptables work with dns ? |
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| 18:20.02 | mirak | to have dynamical rules |
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| 18:20.33 | delire | zlate: well apache has a great man page and the httpd.conf is very well commented |
| 18:20.33 | mirak | with dynamic ip |
| 18:20.36 | manchine | mwilson, fuck off |
| 18:20.40 | nvz | is dynamical a word? |
| 18:20.48 | greycat | nvz: no, it's just dynamic |
| 18:20.49 | clown | greycat: IIRC you invited me to use socat; is that correct? |
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| 18:20.58 | manchine | mwilson, u do not know me from anywhere |
| 18:21.02 | greycat | clown: I don't think so; what is socat? |
| 18:21.17 | zlate | delire: ok |
| 18:21.18 | mwilson | manchine: Didn't say that I did. How is *that* relevant to the question you won't answer? |
| 18:21.22 | nacky | is fam actually good for anything? |
| 18:21.32 | clown | greycat: sorry about that. Nevertheless, socat is a 'netcat on sterioids' :-) |
| 18:21.39 | manchine | mwilson, so mind your language. i really hate the geek/nerd elitist behaviour |
| 18:21.41 | delire | nacky: the bring you into the world and you have to spend christmas there |
| 18:21.44 | greycat | manchine: we already know you. You've been here 700 million times before, or your mindless clones have. You're just another newbie who won't read the documentation. Have a nice life, preferably without Debian. |
| 18:21.46 | delire | nacky: other than that, no.. |
| 18:21.52 | mwilson | nacky: Gnome's God-King says it's wonderful... don't you slavishly follow whatever he says? |
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| 18:22.03 | greycat | clown: ah, never heard of it. But I do know netcat, :) |
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| 18:22.16 | mwilson | manchine: And when there is any of that, you can shoot off your mouth about it further. Now, please answer the question. |
| 18:22.18 | azreal | manchine: i thought you told him to "fuck off"? is that minding your language? |
| 18:22.20 | nacky | mwilson, i *just* started using gnome so i haven't seen it before |
| 18:22.32 | nacky | just wanted to familierize myself with gnome |
| 18:22.48 | manchine | fortunately, not all debian developers/users think like some of you overhere |
| 18:22.58 | clown | greycat: however, I have a slight problem with it and it seems to come down on the difference between "cat <&6 >somefile" and "awk '{print $1}' <&6 >somefile'. The first one works; the awk-one doesn't. I can't figure it why... |
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| 18:23.24 | zlate | Can any one tell me what kind of debs this site i holding http://debian.moolfreet.com ? |
| 18:23.40 | mwilson | manchine: Really? How do I think? I've made no statements, unlike you. All I've done is asked you to back up yours. Can you? Or are you the typical "I know better, so it should be done my way" kind of idiot? |
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| 18:24.07 | The_Ball | for a athlon xp2500 barton, is kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 the best kernel image or 686? |
| 18:24.20 | greycat | manchine: go join #debian-boot and talk to the people who are actually working on it. Have fun. |
| 18:24.23 | nacky | so my original question still stands... is fam actually good for anything? |
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| 18:24.48 | delire | The_Ball: the 2.6 kernel is now 'stable'. check that out. |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | clown: "doesn't work" in what way? What error? |
| 18:25.00 | biohazrd | what package is ps a part of |
| 18:25.14 | biohazrd | chkrootkit says possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 18:25.16 | The_Ball | delire, not as stable as 2.4, it's for a small server |
| 18:25.20 | mwilson | nacky: Since apparently you can't be bothered to read its documentation and learn what it DOES, I assumed you, like most, were simply an acolyte of the God-King. |
| 18:25.23 | biohazrd | and 11 hidden processes |
| 18:25.31 | azreal | biohazrd: procps |
| 18:25.50 | mwilson | nacky: Once you know what it DOES, then you can make a determination about whether that is important to you. |
| 18:26.08 | clown | greycat: well, the 'cat' just copies everything nice from fd 6 to somefile. The 'awk' suddenly seems to stop/block on something, so the copy-process blocks. |
| 18:26.13 | delire | nacky: only if you *need* bloody portmap |
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| 18:26.33 | delire | The_Ball: ahh yes, ;) then go with what you've found in that version |
| 18:26.45 | manchine | mwilson, "I know better, so it should be done my way", it must be a self-description of yours, i guess |
| 18:27.03 | biohazrd | is it possible that any of the debian packages got tampered with when their systems were violated |
| 18:27.19 | mwilson | manchine: Really. What way is "my way"? That must be... oh, wait... I haven't stated how it should be done. Only you have. |
| 18:27.30 | greycat | biohazrd: the administrators have assured us that that did not happen |
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| 18:27.40 | biohazrd | ok |
| 18:27.44 | mwilson | biohazrd: How many times do administrators have to answer the same question? |
| 18:27.56 | biohazrd | I am trying to figure out why I have hidden processes |
| 18:28.23 | The_Ball | delire, yeah so my question is, is xp2500 a k7 or a 686? |
| 18:28.34 | greycat | The_Ball: athlon xp is a k7 |
| 18:28.34 | mwilson | The_Ball: Yes. |
| 18:28.42 | mwilson | And it's an i686. |
| 18:28.47 | manchine | mwilson, i have just pointed out a possible weakness reagrding a specific target audience, which represents ONLY 90% of daily pc users |
| 18:28.50 | delire | The_Ball: sorry i'm out of the loop with the athlon's... |
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| 18:28.57 | iscsi | mwilson: correct: How many answers do admins have to the same question? |
| 18:29.07 | delire | iscsi: lol |
| 18:29.12 | nacky | mwilson, that's why i asked. file alteration monitor. i turned it off and it hasn't hurt anything. BUT i asked IN CASE anyone had a good use for it that I didn't come across. |
| 18:29.25 | thiccups | manchine: why are you assuming *newbs* are the target audience? |
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| 18:29.42 | zinx | omg n00bs |
| 18:29.43 | mwilson | manchine: No, you haven't pointed out any sort of "weakness". You haven't described why the lack of a GUI is any sort of "weakness" whatsoever. When asked for specifics, your answer is personal attacks. So, you have no answer... would that be an accurate summation? |
| 18:29.49 | greycat | thiccups: because that's what *HE* is, and the whole world must be just like him. |
| 18:29.50 | manchine | mwilson, and i won't argue with ppl who, as presentation card, have nothing more to show than arrogance. |
| 18:29.50 | nvz | manchine: do you think this distribution was hacked together by average daily pc users, as you called them? |
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| 18:30.19 | malus | i don't bloody believe it. my friend buys a mac, his first, and kills it 3 days later. what a dumbass. |
| 18:30.22 | greycat | nvz: *cough* gentoo |
| 18:30.25 | nvz | manchine: furthermore, do you think the people that did hack it together care if those people use it? |
| 18:30.27 | thiccups | greycat: =P |
| 18:30.30 | mwilson | manchine: "arrogance" being defined as anyone who doesn't agree with you, of course. |
| 18:30.32 | zinx | greycat: great shot :) |
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| 18:30.52 | mwilson | malus: Kills it dead, or merely fscks up the OS? |
| 18:30.55 | manchine | nvz, if you want a nerd oriented OS, picj up your own LFS and masturbate yourself |
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| 18:31.04 | zinx | mwilson: i think that's the same thing on the mac :x |
| 18:31.10 | nvz | manchine: if idiots were able to use this at their will, it would only mean more work and aggrivation for us |
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| 18:31.24 | Rza`` | anyone know a socks thru which i can connect to irc? |
| 18:31.26 | gratuit | in regards to all of this gui install talk, didn't someone just port the redhat installer to debian? |
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| 18:31.32 | nvz | manchine: if you want a distro that idiots can use, you are free to fork this project and manage it yourself |
| 18:31.37 | mwilson | gratuit: Progeny did. |
| 18:31.39 | thiccups | manchine: why do you use *nerd* as some kind of cuss word? you've done it like 4 times now |
| 18:31.58 | greycat | nvz: that would require that he read the documentation to which he has already been directed. He won't. |
| 18:31.59 | bucky | gratuit: yeah, Ian no less |
| 18:32.14 | zinx | Rza``: the one you set up yourself |
| 18:32.14 | malus | mwilson: he bought an eMac for his wife for video editing, because he listened to me lap praise about my eMac & video stuffs, |
| 18:32.20 | dexcophan | i cant launch startx, it says 'no device', then it list down all nvidia family card but not geforce4 card which im using it... |
| 18:32.25 | nacky | actually i think he's using "nerd" as an adjective ;) |
| 18:32.26 | dexcophan | somebody guide me pls |
| 18:32.28 | zinx | Rza``: if there are open socks proxies, they should be dismantled, and their owners shot |
| 18:32.30 | malus | so he buys a stick of pc133 ram, puts into mac, and gets a kernel panic on boot. |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | ~geforce4 |
| 18:32.33 | | geforce4 is, like, an expensive power tool for gaming windows nerds |
| 18:32.39 | gratuit | so problem solved right? those happy with the current one can use it, those who want others to have a gui installer can make a cd with that installer, or am I wrong? |
| 18:32.39 | greycat | damn it, apt! |
| 18:32.42 | js | lol |
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| 18:32.45 | greycat | who's lobotomizing the bots? |
| 18:32.46 | nvz | greycat: yeah, well what people like that dont seem to understand is that if we spent all that time on making things easier, who would concentrate on making the stuff actually work? it would be just like windows a pile of crap |
| 18:32.48 | nacky | haha |
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| 18:33.02 | greycat | dexcophan: you need the closed-source nvidia drivers, or xf4.2 or later. |
| 18:33.03 | zinx | Rza``: you can't connect to freenode from an open proxy... you'll get K-lined |
| 18:33.03 | malus | and i thought macs were killproof. |
| 18:33.07 | malus | jeeesus |
| 18:33.21 | nacky | mmmmmmm. 2.6.0 |
| 18:33.29 | mwilson | gratuit: Who said anything about the current one, or about any installer at all? The "argument" was whether or not a GUI installer was somehow magically superior to a non-GUI one. |
| 18:33.52 | nvz | you cant just assume that core developers working on speed an stability are suddenly going to realocate their resources to the eye-candy department |
| 18:33.52 | malus | {groan} too much damned champagne last night |
| 18:33.52 | malus | 14 hours later, i'm still somewhat drunk. |
| 18:33.52 | mwilson | malus: <shrug> So he put bad RAM in it. Remove RAM, replace. |
| 18:33.52 | Rza`` | i got so plastered |
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| 18:33.52 | Rza`` | anyway |
| 18:33.57 | malus | mwilson: he took the new stick out, still gets a kernel panic. |
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| 18:34.13 | baz_ | mwilson: I thought the original question was whether anaconda was being ported |
| 18:34.19 | delire | hehe |
| 18:34.19 | bucky | manchine: Feliz Ano Nuevo |
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| 18:34.36 | hippo | hny, I've got "Value too large for defined data type" when cmp-ing ~3G files. Any workaroud for this? |
| 18:34.39 | nvz | enough said, the subject has been beaten to death already I am sure.. I am going to finish my beer and have some breakfast before it gets any later |
| 18:34.47 | Rza`` | is there a gtk frontend to mplayer as featureful as kplayer? |
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| 18:34.56 | greycat | Rza``: ask #mplayer |
| 18:34.59 | FIshY_ling | hie... |
| 18:34.59 | baz | Rza``: what does kmplayer have that gmplayer doesn't? |
| 18:35.02 | FIshY_ling | everyone.. |
| 18:35.05 | azreal | Rza``: mplayer has its own gui frontend |
| 18:35.10 | delire | baz: a 'k' |
| 18:35.19 | mwilson | baz: He asked if Debian was porting Anaconda. I told him no. Before anything else, he gifted us with his opinion of how wonderful a GUI installer would be, with no backup. |
| 18:35.20 | zinx | azreal: mplayer's own gui frontend is worse than mplayer :x |
| 18:35.21 | caphuso | gmplayer is a bad joke |
| 18:35.39 | delire | caphuso: why so? |
| 18:35.42 | zinx | caphuso: i'm sure it can't be as bad as the mplayer's own gui :x |
| 18:35.47 | zinx | s/ the // |
| 18:35.48 | FIshY_ling | hie...i need somehelp boutnetwork stuff.... can someone help me out ? |
| 18:35.49 | caphuso | zinx: uhm |
| 18:35.53 | azreal | zinx: i dont use gui frontends to mplayer, i just know that it has one of its own |
| 18:35.56 | baz | mwilson: but there is a port of anaconda |
| 18:35.58 | greycat | ~tell FIshY_ling about ask |
| 18:36.00 | caphuso | $ ls -l =gmplayer |
| 18:36.00 | modconf | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, caphuso |
| 18:36.01 | caphuso | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Dec 25 17:53 /usr/bin/gmplayer -> mplayer |
| 18:36.02 | mwilson | gmplayer would have to get exponentially better before it could be as good as a bad joke. |
| 18:36.07 | zinx | caphuso: ah, ok :) |
| 18:36.18 | mwilson | baz: Certainly. But not created by Debian, and not being used by Debian. |
| 18:36.33 | streuner | caphuso: hehe |
| 18:36.39 | delire | caphuso: hehe |
| 18:36.51 | caphuso | delire: did you ever try gmplayer? |
| 18:36.58 | mwilson | baz: Hence greycat's (I think it was greycat) comment about third-party installers. |
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| 18:37.06 | baz | ah, I thought debian were going to use the progeny port for sarge. must pay more attention |
| 18:37.07 | delire | caphuso: yes it wasn't soo bad.. but bad enough to never use agin |
| 18:37.09 | greycat | I might have said something about them |
| 18:37.11 | Rza`` | gmplayer is a joke |
| 18:37.15 | nvz | you know a feature that I believe is missing from the mplayer gui.. the ability to enable the -zoom flag.. I really think gmplayer should automatically start with this option if its not going to have a way to turn it on |
| 18:37.25 | delire | but is xine really any bette? |
| 18:37.36 | azreal | i said something about 3rd party guis |
| 18:37.46 | nvz | I personally just put gmplayer -zoom in my menu.. but hey.. it could be in the GUI |
| 18:37.53 | caphuso | delire: it's missing more than two thirds of mplayer's functionality, but you get a really horrible UI instead |
| 18:37.55 | baz | nvz: what does the zoom flag do again? |
| 18:37.55 | azreal | of course, he didnt listen or respond to me |
| 18:38.00 | mwilson | baz: No, the d-i people have stated quite emphatically that they're not using it. |
| 18:38.01 | initech | ? gmplayer works fine for me |
| 18:38.06 | delire | caphuso: fabulous, i'll check it out. |
| 18:38.12 | nvz | baz: streches the output when you resize the window |
| 18:38.15 | Rza`` | initech: ur call |
| 18:38.18 | greycat | azreal: he wasn't here to listen, he was here to yap |
| 18:38.28 | delire | so i suppose mplayer will never be packaged in future? |
| 18:38.29 | Rza`` | god i h8 slack's pathetically antiquated package system |
| 18:38.30 | FIshY_ling | i recently applied a broadband service... but it seems to be slow.. wat might be the course ? other ppl using the same broadband service dun haf theproblem ... i scan for virus.. and there isnt any virus.. |
| 18:38.33 | azreal | yeah |
| 18:38.34 | caphuso | nvz: you don't need -zoom with sane output methods |
| 18:38.36 | baz | nvz: depends what driver you use - works for me with x11 (I think) driver |
| 18:38.38 | Rza`` | downloading debian as we speak |
| 18:38.54 | nvz | caphuso: thanks. wasnt aware of that |
| 18:38.58 | baz | nvz: sorry, make that xv driver |
| 18:39.04 | Rza`` | slapt-get is such a pale comparison to the program it tries to emulate |
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| 18:39.10 | caphuso | i think x11 is the only one needing it |
| 18:39.17 | nvz | baz: yeah well I dont have any fancy output plugins at my disposal |
| 18:39.30 | baz | nvz: um. xv is hardly 'fancy' |
| 18:39.36 | delire | Rza``: lol really? slapt-get.. or.. perhaps slap-get |
| 18:39.39 | nvz | baz: I am using an S3 Trio |
| 18:39.48 | initech | Rza``: slack-get maybe? |
| 18:39.49 | initech | :-) |
| 18:39.51 | mwilson | nvz: Huh? When I drag a corner, the video stretches. What else is it supposed to do? |
| 18:39.54 | delire | perhaps ;) |
| 18:39.58 | baz | nvz: ah. commiserations. or however you spell it |
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| 18:40.14 | Rza`` | initech: wtf u talkin about |
| 18:40.16 | Rza`` | it's slapt-get |
| 18:40.21 | FIshY_ling | i recently applied a broadband service... but it seems to be slow.. wat might be the course ? other ppl using the same broadband service dun haf theproblem ... i scan for virus.. and there isnt any virus.. |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | nvz: you get your video cards from trash cans? |
| 18:40.23 | baz | mwilson: it stays the same size in a larger frame with the x11 output driver, without the zoom flag set |
| 18:40.24 | nvz | mwilson: mine just stays the same size as the window grows larger.. but I use x11 |
| 18:40.26 | Rza`` | o that was a joke heh |
| 18:40.28 | Rza`` | don't get it |
| 18:40.30 | delire | splat-get for first time users |
| 18:40.31 | Rza`` | but whatever :) |
| 18:40.36 | initech | Rza``: there is such a thing as slapt-get?!? |
| 18:40.41 | nvz | greycat: yep.. I bought this pc for $5 from an ISP that was closing an office |
| 18:40.42 | Rza`` | ya |
| 18:40.46 | delire | wow |
| 18:40.54 | delire | and what, pray tell, does it do? |
| 18:41.03 | mwilson | gmplayer isn't even smart enough to maintain aspect ratio on the video window as it grows. |
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| 18:41.09 | Rza`` | debian's package availability and support is gorgeous |
| 18:41.14 | Rza`` | unparalleled |
| 18:41.18 | nvz | greycat: bought two of em for $5 and they both had the S3 Trio's |
| 18:41.18 | bucky | anyone that wants Anaconda for *Debian* - http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/ |
| 18:41.20 | azreal | i wonder how long my friend will waste on everquest before he notices that our mail server is down :-\ |
| 18:41.27 | Rza`` | slack just don't cut it anymore |
| 18:41.28 | baz | mwilson: some people would describe that as a feature. |
| 18:41.32 | mag007 | I have 100GB Windows XP (ntfs) partition, with no unallocated space. How can I make unallocated space, so I can install OS of my choice (Debian) ? |
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| 18:41.45 | Rza`` | mwilson: ya exactly |
| 18:41.45 | initech | Rza``: slack is basically linux from scratch, "Headstart Edition" |
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| 18:41.54 | baz | mwilson: I have a few mpeg files encoded at the wrong aspect ratio, it's nice to be able to correct them at playback rather than recompressing |
| 18:42.08 | greycat | nvz: maybe they'd make decent headless server? :) |
| 18:42.10 | delire | mag007 use the wonderful dd to produce a veritable pasture for debian to graze on |
| 18:42.12 | greycat | +s |
| 18:42.21 | delire | mag007: or perhaps the friendlier cfdisk |
| 18:42.29 | greycat | mag007: /msg apt ntfs |
| 18:43.00 | treestone | mag007: Never done it (but I'm about to, on my sister's new PC). People refer to some Windows tool called "PartitionMagic" which can apparently shrink the windows partition for you. I'm about to google on that. |
| 18:43.03 | mag007 | delire: well, if I use cfdisk I will delete the partition. |
| 18:43.21 | nvz | greycat: yeah if I had a desktop to work with.. |
| 18:43.21 | mwilson | baz: Then correct them at playback. What does that have to do with dragging the window? |
| 18:43.24 | greycat | treestone: yes, PM 7 can do so. It's commercial, non-free, no source. |
| 18:43.27 | delire | mag007: yes ;) |
| 18:43.43 | treestone | greycat: Oh. Thanks. That was more than I knew :-). Oh well. |
| 18:43.48 | baz | mwilson: nothing at all. I was responding to <mwilson> gmplayer isn't even smart enough to maintain aspect ratio on the video window as it grows. |
| 18:43.49 | beermogul | treestone: i used partition magic on my laptop and it worked very well |
| 18:43.51 | mag007 | no, I don't want to delete my xp partition, I just want to shrink it and make unallocated space |
| 18:44.10 | nvz | greycat: could be worse, I took my cousin's girlfriend's pc and its got a Trident 3dImage 985.. definatly a bigger PITA than the S3 Trio |
| 18:44.21 | greycat | beermogul: I've used PM 7 on about a dozen laptops, and it's worked well all in all but one case, and that one was recoverable using a Windows XP CD |
| 18:44.30 | delire | mag007: yes, you'll likely have to repartition it from winblows |
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| 18:44.48 | baz | mag007: mandrake's install CDs claim to be able to resize NTFS partitions. |
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| 18:45.05 | mag007 | heh, I hate mandrake, debian rocks |
| 18:45.06 | delire | mandrake also claims to be an excellent distro |
| 18:45.07 | beermogul | greycat: my only issue was that the shrinking process took a very long time.. something like 3 hours |
| 18:45.16 | mag007 | delire: heh right! |
| 18:45.21 | baz | delire: perhaps it is, for some people :) |
| 18:45.24 | greycat | beermogul: with partition magic? It's never taken that long for me |
| 18:45.30 | smj | Happy New Year guys. What do y'all do for accessing your CD-ROM drives in Debian? |
| 18:45.33 | delire | baz: five people |
| 18:45.34 | treestone | baz: That's interesting. Do you have any idea about what tool they're using? |
| 18:45.38 | greycat | smj: define access. |
| 18:45.38 | arturaz_ | anyone tried libranet? Can it use official debian repostories? |
| 18:45.39 | beermogul | greycat: yah version 8 |
| 18:45.39 | delire | baz: at last count |
| 18:45.46 | baz | delire: please provide proof |
| 18:45.54 | delire | baz: ok three, you got me ;) |
| 18:45.57 | baz | treestone: hacked version of parted I think :) |
| 18:45.59 | karsten | smj: mount or autofs. |
| 18:46.00 | baz | delire: :) |
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| 18:46.04 | initech | mag007: suse9 comes with an ntfs resizer, if you can grab a disk somewhere |
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| 18:46.14 | treestone | baz: Thanks. going to google a bit this evening I think. |
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| 18:46.34 | beermogul | greycat: it is probably my computer, the hard disk really bites.. very slow... at least it is something i plan on doing only once |
| 18:46.42 | smj | greycat: Well, in RH, PAM gave me permissions to /dev/cdrom when I logged in, but Debian uses groups for this. I'm ripping some CDs I just bought and found that I had to be root in order to access /dev/cdrom. What do I need to do so I don't have to execute grip, cdparanoia, et al, as root? |
| 18:46.43 | baz | treestone: I tried it once, but it wanted a fully defragged ntfs volume. and the winxp defragger doesn't defrag fully. |
| 18:46.52 | azreal | theres like an assload of different linux dists now, its stupid |
| 18:47.08 | treestone | baz: Hm, ok. |
| 18:47.16 | initech | azreal: there always was, but yeah |
| 18:47.31 | baz | treestone: you may need to find a 3rd party defragger if you run into this problem. partition magic works great, but costs money and is non-free |
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| 18:47.32 | delire | smj: make a group 'cdrom', add yourself to it and then give user:group ownership of /dev/cdrom |
| 18:47.32 | nvz | I still cant get that Trident 3dImage 985 to get decent color depth.. yet it gets a huge range of resolutions.. I was going to try XF4.3 but I couldnt find the packages at the time so I threw the thing in the attic |
| 18:47.47 | greycat | delire: of the device that /dev/cdrom points to |
| 18:48.06 | delire | greycat: yes.. |
| 18:48.14 | jason | anyone know what it means to "mix normal and implicit values" in a makefile? (i'm trying to compile ati fglrx drivers) |
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| 18:48.20 | beermogul | i see linux dists are starting to be more use specific.. ie router/firewall distribuion, tivio-workalike distro, etc.. I kind of like it. |
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| 18:48.47 | smj | delire: I didn't know if there was a default way of handling this in Debian, kinda like the audio group. Unfortunately, all disks are owned by group disk, which is unacceptable. I guess I'll go with your suggestion. Thanks. |
| 18:48.50 | baz | beermogul: what would debian be? |
| 18:49.03 | greycat | baz: THE BEST. :) |
| 18:49.10 | beermogul | baz: all purpouse bad ass |
| 18:49.15 | initech | greycat: and the biggest :-) |
| 18:49.23 | smj | beermogul: You can do anything with GNU/Linux. I've morphed many RH installs into special purpose boxes. I'm doing the same now with Debian. |
| 18:49.23 | greycat | ~overfiendsphallus |
| 18:49.25 | | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 18:49.27 | nvz | beermogul: I take it you have seen geexbox? |
| 18:49.31 | delire | smj: run 'groups' to see what you're already a part of |
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| 18:49.47 | baz | lol |
| 18:49.58 | smj | delire: That's cool. I'm just reluctant to use the groups method as my account is stored via NFS, but I'll do so. |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | smj: IDE devices are all owned by group disk by default. chgrp cdrom whichever one is not an actual disk. |
| 18:50.16 | delire | smj: fait enought |
| 18:50.18 | smj | greycat: Why didn't the Woody developers use PAM? |
| 18:50.21 | delire | ..? |
| 18:50.24 | delire | fair enough |
| 18:50.26 | greycat | smj: PAM for what? |
| 18:50.28 | mag007 | there isn't a Windows XP partition shrinker, that comes with the OS? |
| 18:50.37 | nvz | mag007: yep |
| 18:50.40 | smj | greycat: Device access. |
| 18:50.52 | mag007 | what a crappy OS.... |
| 18:50.52 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep device /etc/pam.d/* |
| 18:50.52 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 18:50.56 | nvz | mag007: look in the windows folder.. I dont recall what its called |
| 18:51.01 | beermogul | smj: i know that but, maybe the point i wanted to make is that as more people make custom distributions for diffrent uses we will see more appliance like boxes doing things .. not everyone out there has the know-how to configure a linux box |
| 18:51.05 | tarzeau | mag007: there's one in knoppix |
| 18:51.10 | mag007 | nvz: oo there is one? |
| 18:51.13 | tarzeau | mag007: qtparted i think |
| 18:51.21 | mag007 | tarzeau: sweet. |
| 18:51.23 | delire | good to know.. |
| 18:51.27 | nvz | mag007: yeah its got a partition util built in |
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| 18:51.45 | smj | greycat: The user logs in and is given access to a specific set of devices defined in /etc/security/console.perms. RH and Gentoo both choose this method. I was kinda surprised Debian didn't. |
| 18:52.19 | smj | beermogul: I believe Linksys and D-Link use linux to run their consumer router/firewalls. |
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| 18:52.43 | calamari_ | hi |
| 18:52.50 | treestone | smj, beermogul: And watchguard. |
| 18:53.07 | nvz | netgear as well.. my router has shell access with tools like ifconfig |
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| 18:53.26 | greycat | smj: Debian uses PAM, so if you know how to do that, go ahead |
| 18:53.31 | beermogul | i can't wait for a good work-alike gnu version of Tivo ;-) |
| 18:53.35 | randey | compiling xchat-2.0.7, it is failing with "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl" though libsdl-perl installed |
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| 18:53.48 | smj | greycat: Okay. Thanks. I'll look into it. I was just surprised it wasn't used by default. |
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| 18:53.54 | azreal | beermogul: what about freevo? |
| 18:53.54 | Sebulba02 | randey: install perl dev packages |
| 18:53.59 | initech | smj: and juniper uses bsd on theirs, it's all nice ... anything but IOS :-) |
| 18:54.02 | smj | greycat, delire: Thanks for the info and the suggestions. |
| 18:54.07 | randey | Sebulba02 : ok |
| 18:54.12 | smj | initech: I like IOS. :-( |
| 18:54.15 | beermogul | azreal: hmm. well i didn't know about it, I'll have to google it |
| 18:54.17 | treestone | nvz: Netgear does? That's a disappointment. I struggled with a netgear gigaswitch which crashed completely (or looping) as soon as it was fed some IP protocol it didn't know about. |
| 18:54.34 | nvz | beermogul: geexbox is a fairly new project for tv based systems.. I think its based on mplayer |
| 18:54.40 | azreal | beermogul: freevo.org |
| 18:54.41 | smj | initech: Ever used an Alcatel/Xylan switch? |
| 18:54.46 | initech | smj: nope |
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| 18:55.05 | smj | initech: Complete and utter crap. I loved IOS after that. |
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| 18:55.15 | initech | smj: heh |
| 18:55.22 | strider_ | is there a "deian way" to create a rescue bootdisk ? |
| 18:55.28 | strider_ | deian = debian |
| 18:55.32 | greycat | strider_: mkboot, I think |
| 18:55.34 | beermogul | azreal: thanks |
| 18:55.39 | initech | smj: well, I don't know IOS very well, just played with it a bit and hated it |
| 18:55.44 | nvz | treestone: I got a netgear and a siemens.. the netgear is nice as its very small and solid metal.. works great for a portable solution, and the siemiens, was dirt cheap, 4port hub and parallel printer server built-in for under $30 |
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| 18:55.57 | karsten | strider_: tomsrtbt ;-) |
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| 18:56.25 | smj | initech: With IOS you can cut and paste the config into the terminal. The IOS commands also make sense (most of the time) if you know what you're doing. I'm working on my CCNP, so this is why I've got the heavy IOS exposure. Of course I've been a bit lazy of late. |
| 18:56.37 | strider_ | karsten: is that a real command, or is this some internal joke :) |
| 18:56.52 | greycat | tomsrtbt is a distribution, not a command |
| 18:57.06 | rahul | debian is its own rescue boot disk! |
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| 18:57.23 | rahul | actually, knoppix is supposedly good for that |
| 18:57.24 | strider_ | rahul: thats deep |
| 18:57.26 | strider_ | :) |
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| 18:57.34 | treestone | nvz: For me (or rather, my customer) the netgear gigaswitch was a huge disappointment, because it would completely fall over when fed ip/pgm (unlike any of the other routers, *including* my Debian-based personal router setup). |
| 18:57.37 | nvz | rahul: provided you read the install guide and can use busybox |
| 18:57.41 | rahul | that's what happens when you're hunh over |
| 18:57.46 | rahul | nvz: well duh |
| 18:57.57 | nvz | rahul: thats the HARD part for most people |
| 18:58.00 | rahul | nvz: why would you try to install debian without reading the install guide |
| 18:58.07 | rahul | oh wait. that happens EVERY DAY HERE |
| 18:58.17 | calamari_ | where is the path being set for my user account? I don't see anything in .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 18:58.18 | rahul | ~penixstrike |
| 18:58.20 | | A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
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| 18:58.23 | greycat | the install guide is painfully obtuse |
| 18:58.32 | rahul | greycat: it could be better, yes |
| 18:58.34 | Sebulba02 | ouch |
| 18:58.34 | initech | rahul: hmm, I did, some years ago. had no problems tho |
| 18:58.40 | nvz | rahul: I've never read the install guide.. dont even know where it is.. |
| 18:58.46 | greycat | ~install guide |
| 18:58.48 | | i heard install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 18:58.49 | rahul | initech: well, that explains some things |
| 18:58.53 | azreal | calamari_: /etc/profile |
| 18:58.56 | initech | rahul: such as? |
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| 18:59.02 | calamari_ | azreal: ok, thanks :) |
| 18:59.10 | rahul | nvz: I don't know enough about you to know if that explains anything :) |
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| 18:59.20 | nvz | rahul: and I've sucessfully installed hundreds of times, and figured out rescue operations on my own |
| 18:59.31 | rahul | nvz: fair enough :) |
| 18:59.38 | nvz | rahul: you probably just forgot.. heh |
| 18:59.42 | rahul | anyway, back to the important stuff |
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| 18:59.56 | rahul | I don't remember walking out of central park and into my apt last night |
| 19:00.02 | rahul | but I remember being on irc |
| 19:00.06 | initech | initech: i thought everything about the debian installer was bleeding obvious, if you bothered to read the dialogs, and that was slink |
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| 19:00.31 | paddy | good day. |
| 19:00.34 | nvz | greycat: I can barely even spell college. |
| 19:00.41 | smj | Welp, cya'll later. I'm off to read about PAM. |
| 19:00.51 | delire | rahul: i barely remember being in IRC last night. but apparently i was. it could've only been for the worst. |
| 19:00.58 | rahul | heh |
| 19:01.05 | rahul | it was definitely bad for me :) |
| 19:01.10 | greycat | nvz: my first exposure to anything vaguely Unix-like was when I used Mark Williams C on my Atari ST in ~1988 |
| 19:01.12 | calamari_ | okay, my scheme didn't work it seems :) how can I make it possible for a single user to shut down the system? (not just root) |
| 19:01.16 | baz | greycat: some of us didn't go to college |
| 19:01.26 | rahul | calamari_: set up sudo |
| 19:01.30 | delire | rahul: i was configuring mutt after a bottle of port and half a dozen beers. |
| 19:01.32 | greycat | baz: well, didn't you learn *anything* about computers *somewhere*? |
| 19:01.42 | delire | rahul: i was safer on the dancefloor, hence where i ended up. |
| 19:01.43 | rahul | I don't even know how many beers I had |
| 19:01.45 | nvz | greycat: I dont even recall those years, but thats probably because I was born in 1983 and died in 1989, so.. |
| 19:01.45 | rahul | or what else |
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| 19:01.51 | baz | greycat: sure, but my first experience in a unix-like OS was linux, unless amiga counts |
| 19:01.57 | rahul | I know I went to 3 bars at least |
| 19:01.59 | delire | rahul: my brother in shame |
| 19:02.07 | nvz | greycat: my first UNIX experience was when I had gotten two Apollo workstations dumped on me |
| 19:02.11 | rahul | delire: :) |
| 19:02.20 | rahul | I'm not ashamed :P |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | nvz: ah, you learned the traditional way :) |
| 19:02.49 | delire | rahul: for some idiotic reason i always go out drinking and before sleep jump into #debian from whence my mouth delivereth the most profane and stupid shit. |
| 19:02.58 | rahul | haha |
| 19:03.02 | delire | gosh, that was an impressive sentence |
| 19:03.03 | rahul | delire: it's good reason, not idiotic :) |
| 19:03.06 | initech | delire: same here :-( |
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| 19:03.16 | delire | don't drink and su |
| 19:03.22 | delire | don't drink and talk to mwilson |
| 19:03.24 | rahul | oh, I didn't do that |
| 19:03.24 | calamari_ | rahul: thanks |
| 19:03.26 | rahul | haha |
| 19:03.28 | delire | hehe |
| 19:03.29 | greycat | delire: pick a root password that you can't possibly type while drunk |
| 19:03.39 | zinx | rm -rf ~ / |
| 19:03.40 | madness | greycat: good plan |
| 19:03.40 | zinx | oops! |
| 19:03.44 | delire | hehe wise |
| 19:03.45 | initech | delire: when drunk is the only time i talk to mwilson |
| 19:03.48 | initech | :-) |
| 19:03.56 | baz | but never ever pick a root password when drunk |
| 19:03.58 | delire | initech: hehe, first mistake. last mistake. |
| 19:04.03 | thiccups | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.15 | rahul | I'm not affected by mwilson's need to impose his own weaknesses on others :) |
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| 19:04.28 | initech | delire: the real answer is: mwilson needs to get drunk and or stoned once in a while |
| 19:04.29 | delire | mutt was like a many headed dragon last night. this morning, when sober, a calm and gentle pooch |
| 19:04.38 | greycat | initech: or laid. |
| 19:04.39 | The_Ball | on testing, im running apache1.3 and php4 with pgsql, i do a function_exists() on pg_connect, which returns true, but when i try pg_query it fails, anybody know why? |
| 19:04.42 | delire | initech: ouch. so true ;) |
| 19:04.45 | rahul | delire: amazing how that works :) |
| 19:04.47 | baz | greycat: got it in one, I suspect |
| 19:04.49 | treestone | baz: So true. Things you learn when drunk you tend to only remember when drunk, and the other way around.. wa |
| 19:04.55 | delire | rahul: hehe |
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| 19:05.01 | initech | greycat: that isn't happening anytime too soon, but he can at least get drunk in the meantime :-) |
| 19:05.04 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 19:05.14 | delire | greycat: i'm sorry |
| 19:05.17 | baz | treestone: yes. sitting at work with a bottle of single malt and telling your boss "I'm trying to remember the password" does not make for a good reference |
| 19:05.20 | delire | greycat: what is your illness? |
| 19:05.24 | treestone | :-) |
| 19:05.27 | greycat | delire: intelligence |
| 19:05.35 | initech | baz: but it makes a good story! |
| 19:05.36 | delire | greycat: hmm, i've heard of that |
| 19:05.37 | gypsymauro | I remember there was something like wget but that permits to do something like "download foo*" what's the name? |
| 19:05.39 | nvz | yeah I quit drinking about 4 times already this year.. and its only Jan 1st |
| 19:05.46 | gaspard | what's the best way to get all readable bytes from a scratched CD? readcd won't do it... |
| 19:05.47 | greycat | nvz: hehe |
| 19:05.51 | baz | initech: yeah, prospective employers love that in interviews ;) |
| 19:06.01 | delire | hehe |
| 19:06.03 | rahul | nvz: ow, my head hurts |
| 19:06.06 | baz | gaspard: replace cd |
| 19:06.08 | rahul | don't make me laugh :P |
| 19:06.16 | delire | initech: and then they see you wriggling like an arse on coke at a staff party |
| 19:06.36 | nvz | I've only had 4 beers since midnight though.. I had two and went to sleep and I've only had two so far since I woke up |
| 19:06.38 | initech | baz: well most of us tend to embellish in our own interests |
| 19:06.51 | initech | delire: coke? ewww |
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| 19:07.00 | treestone | gaspard: I think cdparanoia will try to do the best out of it. |
| 19:07.02 | delire | initech: ok pepsi.. it's the new thang |
| 19:07.32 | treestone | gaspard: That is, if it's an audio CD. |
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| 19:08.02 | nvz | I'm tempted to look into the history of cdparanoia and find out where the name sprung from |
| 19:08.04 | buht | whats a good simple pop3 server? |
| 19:08.12 | rahul | nvz: it rips in a paranoid way |
| 19:08.18 | Xylene | hey, i looked around and i can't find unstable on any of the mirrors |
| 19:08.19 | greycat | buht: qpopper |
| 19:08.23 | rahul | it keeps reading and re-reading to make sure it got it right |
| 19:08.24 | Xylene | anyone have any idea where its at |
| 19:08.24 | buht | ok :) |
| 19:08.27 | delire | anyway, i am about to graze my hedonism for yet another night. and hell hath no fury like a drunken su. so i depart in the interests of my /bin directory and my mottley company. |
| 19:08.31 | buht | thanks greenfly |
| 19:08.33 | buht | greycat |
| 19:08.39 | rahul | later delire :) |
| 19:08.40 | azreal | nvz: the paranoia part refers to extra checking of scratched or damaged cd's |
| 19:08.42 | rahul | doh |
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| 19:08.53 | nvz | azreal: cool |
| 19:08.55 | Xylene | anyone know where i can find cd images for unstable? |
| 19:08.57 | Ikarus | buht: su means substitute user, not super user (as some people think |
| 19:09.03 | buht | greycat there a better pop3 server but more complicated? or still qpopper |
| 19:09.08 | buht | Ikarus ? |
| 19:09.19 | Ikarus | err |
| 19:09.21 | Ikarus | mis tab |
| 19:09.23 | buht | oh |
| 19:09.24 | buht | np |
| 19:09.28 | Ikarus | brb, killing IRC client |
| 19:09.29 | calamari_ | rahul: is there a way to set the sudo timeout to infinite? |
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| 19:09.33 | treestone | Xylene: I believe a link was posted in one of the Debian weekly news sections. |
| 19:09.36 | rahul | calamari_: no idea |
| 19:09.41 | rahul | calamari_: probably a bad idea, tho |
| 19:09.41 | Xylene | ok |
| 19:09.45 | nvz | no!! dont kill the IRC client! |
| 19:09.48 | termos | does anyone have a remote idea on what could be wrong if GRUB only prints "Error 17" after loading? |
| 19:09.59 | Xylene | wow, why are there 12 isos for sarge? |
| 19:10.08 | nvz | termos: sounds to me like a user didnt read the documentation |
| 19:10.08 | calamari_ | rahul: the whole point was being able to shut down without typing a password.. could just use su for that :) |
| 19:10.12 | rahul | I shot the sherrif |
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| 19:10.22 | greycat | ~spell sheriff |
| 19:10.24 | | 'sheriff' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:10.31 | rahul | Xylene: not too surprising. there are something like 10,000 packages |
| 19:10.34 | nvz | termos: as when my bootloader (lilo) spits out hexidecimal errors, I read the documentation to find out what it means |
| 19:10.36 | azreal | termos: probably pointing to the wrong partition or something |
| 19:10.47 | rahul | greycat: I'm not in any muscular or mental condition to spell correctly :P |
| 19:10.48 | Xylene | i can install with just the first cd, right? |
| 19:10.51 | termos | nvz: well, it worked 1 hour ago. I transported my laptop, came home, when i booted it printed that. |
| 19:11.05 | rahul | calamari_: I think you can config it to not ask for a password |
| 19:11.12 | azreal | termos: actually i think thats the error it gives when it cant recognize the fs |
| 19:11.17 | nvz | termos: have some sort of a docking station? pass through a metal detector? |
| 19:11.18 | rahul | Xylene: you can install with just no CDs, as always |
| 19:11.22 | termos | Azhrarn: hmm |
| 19:11.28 | hackeron | hey, anyone knows how to limit a user's total network usage consumption based on network load? |
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| 19:11.49 | rahul | hackeron: QoS with user matching |
| 19:11.52 | termos | nvz: not that i know of and i cant remember that i've bumped it into something. Could be though. |
| 19:12.04 | hackeron | rahul: ok, going to google for that |
| 19:12.07 | Xylene | i meant, does the first cd have enough to get a basic installation |
| 19:12.12 | nvz | termos: in any case your best options are to get out your install/rescue media and reinstall the bootloader, and/or read the documentation and figure out what that error is |
| 19:12.13 | azreal | termos: just boot with a grub floppy and try to figure out whats wrong, after you figure it out, make the appropriate changes to the config |
| 19:12.14 | derobert | Anyone know alioth's IP address? quantz seems unwilling to answer DNS requests (or are they the same machine?) |
| 19:12.16 | rahul | hackeron: I'd be using the wondershaper in the first place |
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| 19:12.42 | rahul | hackeron: so I'd add another queue for that user or something |
| 19:12.57 | treestone | Xylene: Yes. |
| 19:13.01 | Xylene | ok thanks much |
| 19:13.02 | termos | Azhrarn: hmm, i could try. I tried booting it with a debian rescue floppy, but no luck. "unable to mount root", and i supplied the correct filesystem as root filesystem |
| 19:13.14 | hackeron | rahul: err, ok, going to look at wondershaper :) |
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| 19:14.11 | azreal | termos: does the kernel have the support for the root filesystem type? |
| 19:14.14 | The_Ball | isn't it posible to get a more updated php on testing than 4.1.2? |
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| 19:14.47 | termos | azreal: yes |
| 19:15.06 | hackeron | rahul: just a question, how exactly does it work? I'm setting up a network in school and I want it all to be stable and fast.. clients connect to server via LDAP (central user management system), home folder is mounted via NFS from server, but I want server to stop users from connecting with a too high load.. |
| 19:15.07 | termos | its just so odd that it worked around one hour ago and not now. could be that my HD is damaged. |
| 19:15.28 | rahul | hackeron: hmm, well try just the wondershaper |
| 19:15.40 | rahul | hackeron: no tweaks. dunno if it can be overloaded with multiple connections tho |
| 19:16.23 | hackeron | rahul: err, just googling, but can't find any documentation yet |
| 19:16.41 | tw|lit | http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
| 19:16.51 | rahul | hackeron: it's documented in the readme or whatever |
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| 19:17.30 | hackeron | tw|lit: thanks, checking there :) |
| 19:17.38 | mag007 | if I have 75%, how can I remove the '%'? grep -v % is not doing it... |
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| 19:18.10 | sizzzung | mag007: sed -e 's/%//' |
| 19:18.10 | JimButton | mag007: sed 's/%//' |
| 19:18.20 | JimButton | mag007: grep does not modify strings |
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| 19:18.45 | mag007 | sizzzung: thanks! |
| 19:18.50 | mag007 | JimButton: sweet, thanks bud |
| 19:19.15 | sizzzung | np |
| 19:19.55 | amphi | mag007: i='75%'; echo ${i/\%/} |
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| 19:21.15 | revengeslayer | anyone has a script which updates the system time matching to the summer-winter time? when the time is march x, it must removed/add an hour.. you know.. anyone can point me to it? |
| 19:21.19 | hackeron | rahul: dont know how well this will work.. will it keeps NFS responce time down? it seems it just slows stuff down a little when it comes to internet connection.. not sure how well this work just for local network |
| 19:21.44 | rahul | hackeron: it's a routing thing |
| 19:22.02 | hackeron | rahul: well, I'm looking into it :) |
| 19:22.22 | rahul | it doesn't modify the whole network, just prioritizes packets it forwards so that you don't fill up the upstream's queues |
| 19:22.50 | ljlane | You mean daylight savings time? That happens automatically. Maybe it's the timezone setting. |
| 19:23.40 | rsff | ljlane: It never gets the right date to change here, but you're right, it does change from daylight savings, to an from. |
| 19:24.09 | ljlane | rsff, where's that? |
| 19:24.14 | rsff | São Paulo. |
| 19:24.43 | rsff | I guess its probably because every year they change the date daylight savings start/end. |
| 19:24.44 | revengeslayer | anyone can tell me how i can tell my system to update the time matching to summer-winter time? remove or add 1 hour.. you know? i don't use ntp, it is a box without internet connection, and the system time must be updated automatically with a script which is launched everyday to check wether we are ready to change the winter-summer time.. anyone ? |
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| 19:25.15 | Justin_ | revengeslayer: ffs, its called daylight savings time |
| 19:25.44 | revengeslayer | Justin_ where to find information on it? how to let the system do it automatically? |
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| 19:25.57 | oskie | revengeslayer: set the correct timezone to something like Europe/Amsterdam |
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| 19:26.20 | ljlane | rsff, hrmm |
| 19:26.31 | revengeslayer | oskie it's set to that yes, but how wil the system update the time by increasing an hour for the winter-summertime ? |
| 19:26.45 | oskie | revengeslayer: it ought to do that automaticly.. but i'm not sure |
| 19:26.54 | revengeslayer | how? |
| 19:26.57 | mdupont | any idea how to terminate a hanging nfs connection(aftre remote reboot (i forgot the timeout settings in fstab)) ? |
| 19:26.58 | oskie | revengeslayer: at least if the computer's clock is set to GMT/UTC |
| 19:27.01 | revengeslayer | there is no deamon running todo that |
| 19:27.04 | azreal | what causes drift of the hardware clock? especially if im running ntpdate at boot time, shouldnt my clock be pretty accurate? |
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| 19:27.12 | revengeslayer | winblows for example does that automatically |
| 19:27.20 | revengeslayer | so how does linux do it automatically? hehe |
| 19:27.27 | oskie | revengeslayer: every time a program asks for the current time it will be given the correct time |
| 19:27.41 | oskie | revengeslayer: so no daemon is necessary |
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| 19:28.01 | ljlane | rsff, your DST appears to start in February. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=233 It's in April here. (s/233/179 on the URL). |
| 19:28.05 | alys | I thought that if the computer's clock was set to UTC, and you selected the right time zone, then there was an algorithm that the program used - taking into account published dates, etc - to change the time from standard to daylight saving. |
| 19:28.15 | revengeslayer | oskie some day in march we need to add or remove an hour from the current time, right? so how can the system update it automatically since there is no daemon or so which does that for you automatically.. |
| 19:28.20 | rahul | revengeslayer: it's handled by libc's timezone code |
| 19:28.34 | ljlane | err.. ends, not starts |
| 19:28.35 | rsff | ljlane: is there a way to configure it so it changes correctly? |
| 19:28.39 | rahul | revengeslayer: it gives you the right time when you ask for it |
| 19:28.43 | rahul | revengeslayer: it doesn't change anything |
| 19:28.46 | oskie | revengeslayer: the daylight saving time information is contained within the timezone information |
| 19:28.48 | ljlane | rsff, don't really know |
| 19:29.15 | oskie | revengeslayer: but it probably only works if the hardware clock is set to UTC |
| 19:29.24 | rsff | ljlane: thanks! |
| 19:29.27 | oskie | revengeslayer: (which is not the case when you're running windows) |
| 19:29.28 | rahul | oskie: no, works fine either way |
| 19:29.35 | oskie | rahul: hm, ok.. |
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| 19:29.41 | rsff | ljlane: who knows, maybe I'll get to this latter. |
| 19:30.20 | treestone | revengeslayer: It's completely transparent. The software automatically adjusts the displayed time for you (even in directly listings), it doesn't actually adjust the realtime hardware clock, which is good (unlike braindead Windows). |
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| 19:31.11 | treestone | revengeslayer: The RTC should be kept at UTC at all times. Then you just specify your timezone (i.e. where /etc/localtime is pointing to) |
| 19:31.50 | oskie | rahul: hm, are you sure it works even if hardware clock isn't UTC? it would mean that the system has to update the hardware clock during daylight saving time change |
| 19:31.51 | azreal | does anyone know an answer to my time question? |
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| 19:32.06 | rahul | oskie: yep, I think the kernel does |
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| 19:32.27 | azreal | im wondering why my hardware clock is off several minutes, even though it was synced recently useing ntp |
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| 19:32.48 | caphuso | azreal: because most hardware clocks are useless crap |
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| 19:32.56 | azreal | recently bein a few days ago, but still i thought it was supposed to keep better time than that |
| 19:33.24 | rahul | azreal: why do you need to "sync" the clock manually? |
| 19:33.28 | rahul | just run ntpd. |
| 19:33.36 | azreal | caphuso: really? i thought they were supposed to be very accurate, what is the way to compensate for this? |
| 19:33.40 | shoofly | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Hardware_Clock.html |
| 19:33.42 | rahul | I don't get the point of not running it, really |
| 19:33.57 | revengeslayer | hm |
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| 19:34.03 | azreal | rahul: sync means connecting to ntp servers and setting the clock |
| 19:34.19 | caphuso | azreal: they're not supposed to be accurate, they're supposed to be as cheap as possible so that mainboard manufacturers can make more profit |
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| 19:34.33 | rahul | azreal: if your clock is so accurate that ntpd only decides to check once every few days, then it's damn good :) |
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| 19:34.59 | treestone | azreal: hardware clocks often keep very bad absolute time, but fortunately they usually keep good relative time. So it's just a question of getting the correct adjustment factor into /etc/adjtime. It's done by setting the hw clock first once, then a second time some days later, after first synching the software clock from a reliable source. |
| 19:35.01 | azreal | rahul: that happenes at boot time, ive never really thought it necessary to run ntpdate any more often than at boot time, since i was thinking my hardware clock kept better time than what it obviously isnt |
| 19:35.06 | tarzeau | rahul: you can sync with rdate too |
| 19:35.10 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/rdate/ |
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| 19:35.21 | rahul | tarzeau: that's even worse |
| 19:35.34 | tarzeau | i dindn't say it's not :), ever |
| 19:35.40 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:36.27 | azreal | treestone: im gonna have to read about this, "systematic drift" i remember reading about it once |
| 19:36.41 | rahul | if you use ntpd, it's all handled for you :) |
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| 19:37.00 | treestone | azreal: Right. It may be wrong by a minute a day, but it's ok as long as it's _always_ wrong by that minute a day.. |
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| 19:37.13 | rahul | the drift isn't always systematic, either |
| 19:37.24 | azreal | ic |
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| 19:37.36 | azreal | ok, thanx for the info |
| 19:37.51 | treestone | rahul: Even crappy RTC's should be good w.r.t systematic drift, if not then it's probably broken. |
| 19:38.01 | zinx | har! |
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| 19:40.02 | buht | greycat, isnt all i need qpopper and exim ? i keep getting the specified user was found but no response was given... |
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| 19:42.01 | coolmania | i tried to install nvidia 1.0-5238 and i get the error 'unable to find kernel header files for currently running kernel' i am using debian sarge what should i do |
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| 19:42.30 | treestone | coolmania: Install the kernel headers debian package? |
| 19:42.46 | rahul | coolmania: compile a kernel and the drivers at the same time |
| 19:42.53 | coolmania | treestone:can get with apt-get |
| 19:42.55 | rahul | that's the easiest way, at least :) |
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| 19:43.11 | coolmania | rahul:how do i do that |
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| 19:43.17 | rahul | coolmania: are you even using the drivers that are in debian? |
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| 19:43.39 | treestone | coolmania: apt-cache search kernel-heaaders (if you're not going for the self-compiled kernel way, ref. rahul's answer) |
| 19:43.43 | rahul | they're documented, and make-kpkg is the rest ofthe docs you need |
| 19:43.57 | coolmania | rahul:no i downloaded it from nvidia |
| 19:44.07 | rahul | in fact, make-kpkg is what you need to do it right in either case |
| 19:44.31 | rahul | coolmania: that'll work if you never upgrade xfree86 again |
| 19:44.38 | rahul | you'll need to reinstall the drivers if you do |
| 19:44.39 | bsims | hey I have a screwed up virtual terminals it looks like it has part of the boot log showing instead of my login prompt and I cant clear it with clear or crtl-l |
| 19:44.47 | nautis | ahh |
| 19:44.49 | nautis | im tired |
| 19:44.56 | rahul | debian's packages just do it right :) |
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| 19:45.13 | bsims | any ideas on how to unfrell my terminals? |
| 19:46.09 | oskie | it's so funny to help people out all day long, isn't it |
| 19:46.29 | muncc2beo | I'm on kernel 2.6.0, trying to burn a cd. CDRECORD gives me these errors. Any ideas? |
| 19:46.32 | greycat | bsims: "reset" command, or echo Ctrl-V Esc c Enter |
| 19:46.32 | muncc2beo | cdrecord.mmap: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: fatal error |
| 19:46.32 | muncc2beo | CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 19:46.48 | greycat | ~ide-scsi |
| 19:46.50 | | i guess ide-scsi is one of the kernel modules needed in order to use an IDE cd burner in kernels < 2.6. http://programming.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/09/1341236 |
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| 19:47.16 | bsims | greycat do I have to be loged into the terminal in question or will it reseat all virtual terminals |
| 19:47.37 | greycat | bsims: each one |
| 19:47.42 | bsims | K |
| 19:47.44 | clown | Does a util exist to unbuffer stuff coming in from an 'endless' stream? I'd like to do: cat <&6 | unbuffer | some_program_that_can't_handle_fds_that_aren't_closing_on_end_of_data :-) |
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| 19:47.48 | greycat | bsims: uh, I mean, you must do it in each one that's fuckec |
| 19:48.24 | muncc2beo | greycat: was that message from apt for me? |
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| 19:48.48 | nautis | whats up with the underscores clown |
| 19:48.55 | greycat | muncc2beo: yup |
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| 19:49.12 | bsims | greycat: I tried that and nothing |
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| 19:49.24 | clown | nautis: nothing special |
| 19:49.30 | muncc2beo | greycat: read what I said, and then read what apt said |
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| 19:49.44 | coolmania | rahul:i tried to install an old set of drivers from nvidia i compiled two files GLX and kernel now X is having problems it is not working i installed them using make install now make uninstall is not working can i remove them by any means |
| 19:49.45 | greycat | bsims: if Esc c doesn't fix it, it's totally gone. Reboot. |
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| 19:50.45 | greycat | muncc2beo: you said "2.6" and "cdrecord" and "scsi". I therefore replied with that factoid. |
| 19:50.51 | bsims | greycat: its ok right after I boot something in cron screwing it up or something? |
| 19:51.12 | bsims | anthing else to try? I am running Sid |
| 19:51.13 | greycat | cron does not write to ttys |
| 19:51.22 | muncc2beo | greycat: if you read entire sentences instead of picking out words, you will appear to be much smarter. |
| 19:51.40 | greycat | muncc2beo: fuck off, or provide details. |
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| 19:51.46 | bsims | greycat: cause it looks like its showing part of the boot messages... |
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| 19:52.16 | treestone | bsims: Sounds more like some rubbish syslog message from some daemon. Try looking for rubbish in /var/log/messages or one of the other files, it should give you the name of the daemon. |
| 19:52.20 | greycat | muncc2beo: I just did a lastlog on you, and NOTHING you have said contradicts my initial assumption that you are using ide-scsi under 2.6. |
| 19:52.24 | buht | greycat: u use qpopper? |
| 19:52.30 | greycat | buht: no, I use qmail |
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| 19:52.42 | buht | greycat: ah. |
| 19:52.55 | muncc2beo | greycat: details: I am on kernel 2.6 (not something < 2.6), and I am trying to burn a CD in my ATAPI CD Burner. CD Record gives me the error message I posted above |
| 19:53.10 | greycat | muncc2beo: what COMMAND are you running? What KERNEL DRIVERS are you using? |
| 19:53.23 | bsims | hrm syslogd is restarting is all I see |
| 19:53.34 | muncc2beo | greycat: cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 -audio *.cdr |
| 19:53.38 | treestone | bsims: Hm. Out of ideas here :-) |
| 19:53.39 | buht | greycat: the shit is configured... it can connect..says username is found, but no response from server hehe |
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| 19:54.04 | initech | buht: pop3 or pop3ssl? |
| 19:54.05 | muncc2beo | greycat: I'm not using ide-scsi |
| 19:54.07 | bsims | greycat: something to do with syslogd restarting? |
| 19:54.12 | buht | initech: pop3 |
| 19:54.13 | greycat | buht: telnet localhost 110 -> USER username, PASS password, LIST, RETR 1, QUIT |
| 19:54.29 | t35t0r | why is kingston pc2700 1gig NON-ECC $670 and the NON-ECC NON-REG version $265 ??? |
| 19:54.40 | hackeron | question about cbqinit.. when I try to run it, it says FATAL: Module sch_cbq not found .. I have sch_cbq compiled in kernel rather than as a module, how do I over-ride this modprobing?? |
| 19:54.51 | treestone | bsims: Ok it could also be some bogus "echo" line in one of the boot scripts. |
| 19:54.56 | buht | greycat: +OK buht has 0 visible messages (0 hidden) in 0 octets. |
| 19:55.09 | greycat | muncc2beo: ok, that's what we needed to know. Unfortunately, I can't help with that Linus crap. I still use Joerg's recommended ide-scsi and 2.4.x. Maybe the URL that apt gave you will help. |
| 19:55.15 | sussudio | t35t0r: tell us |
| 19:55.19 | bsims | treestone: hrm but it looks good right after I boot |
| 19:55.37 | greycat | buht: do you have any mail? |
| 19:55.51 | buht | greycat: no, but this lame windows outlook cant login to it, says no resposne from server |
| 19:55.59 | muncc2beo | greycat: don't use the royal we. You're not royalty. |
| 19:56.02 | treestone | bsims: Do you have a vanilla installation? It could be rubbish output from a rouge driver. |
| 19:56.07 | greycat | buht: do it (the telnet) again from the windows bow |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | x |
| 19:56.20 | buht | k |
| 19:56.26 | greycat | muncc2beo: anyone on the channel who wants to help will need the information I pried out of you |
| 19:56.30 | initech | buht: tlnet works, ergo the server is fine, outlook is a piece of shit. try deleting the profile and recreating it, sometimes that works |
| 19:56.47 | buht | hrm shit |
| 19:56.47 | muncc2beo | greycat: right. </sarcasm> |
| 19:56.57 | buht | telnet no workie lol... checknig logs... i dont run a firewall |
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| 19:57.01 | bsims | treestone: running debian canned kernels with no added drivers |
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| 19:57.11 | buht | maybe my isp is blocking mail as well as http |
| 19:57.22 | greycat | buht: blocking port 110 is highly unusual |
| 19:57.28 | mith | muncc2beo: for someone asking for help, you sure are being an asshole about it |
| 19:57.29 | buht | yeah i figured as much |
| 19:57.32 | greycat | buht: then again, so is blocking 80... |
| 19:57.36 | buht | checking logs... |
| 19:57.46 | initech | buht: you just wrote that your session was fine and the pop server reported "no mail", right? |
| 19:57.47 | indigo | hey all, i'm trying to set up a simple imap server to allow users to access their mail through imap, and when i try to check the mail, i get "imapd[28087]: Login disabled" in the logs. Can anyone tell me where it's disabled? |
| 19:57.49 | mag007 | i have ntp setup, i have a server and all, but how do I sync my clock to the servers correct time? |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | mag007: man ntpdate |
| 19:57.59 | treestone | bsims: Ok this time I'm _really_ out of ideas. Sorry. |
| 19:58.00 | mith | mag007: ntpdate |
| 19:58.10 | buht | initech: from the localhost telnet yes |
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| 19:58.27 | initech | buht: ahh, try from somewhere else ... can you? |
| 19:58.40 | buht | initech: greycat had me do that already :) it failed... |
| 19:58.45 | muncc2beo | mith: I get kind of annoyed when people read the first couple words of a question, and then have the bots provide some factoid. |
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| 19:58.48 | mag007 | 1 Jan 19:58:31 ntpdate[1694]: no servers can be used, exiting, thats not good :-( |
| 19:58.56 | muncc2beo | Especially when the factoid isn't relevent |
| 19:58.58 | mith | I still don't understand why window's built in ntp support wont ever work with ntp servers I setup |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | muncc2beo: I read the whole question including the error message |
| 19:59.05 | initech | buht: ok ... what's the pop3 hosts address, just curious? |
| 19:59.08 | buht | i am gonna change qpoppers port in a second to test something quick , if i can find out wtf i do it, its inetd on this box |
| 19:59.09 | greycat | muncc2beo: the factoid was relevant given the LACK of information you provided. |
| 19:59.20 | bsims | treestone: my S10sysklogd looks like this echo -n "Restarting system log daemon: syslogd" start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --exec $binpath --pidfile $pidfile echo "." sleep 1 start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $binpath -- $SYSLOGD echo "." |
| 19:59.23 | revengeslayer | help again, i'm trying to figure out how my debian box can update automatically the date of my box when it's necessary for summer/winter changes (one hour to add or remove); i don't have an internet connection and want the system todo itself, is it possible? |
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| 19:59.31 | muncc2beo | greycat: I said that I was using kernel 2.6.0. The factoid pertained to kernel < 2.6.0. |
| 19:59.32 | bsims | again stright from the debian install |
| 19:59.41 | greycat | muncc2beo: the URL in that factoid does not. |
| 19:59.56 | initech | buht: i can tell you if and where it's blocked if it indeed is |
| 19:59.59 | greycat | muncc2beo: that's a very good interview/article with Linus and Joerg about the changes in 2.6.0 |
| 20:00.03 | muncc2beo | greycat: well, I couldn't determine that based on the information you gave me. |
| 20:00.06 | greycat | of course, you're too good to read it |
| 20:00.12 | muncc2beo | or rather, you had the bots give me |
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| 20:00.17 | buht | yep! |
| 20:00.21 | buht | fucking ISP is blocking 110 |
| 20:00.31 | muncc2beo | greycat: no, I'll read it, now that I pried the correct information out of you |
| 20:00.33 | mith | muncc2beo: stop your fucking bitching and go read the article already |
| 20:00.39 | initech | buht: tcptraceroute |
| 20:00.47 | buht | greycat: they are blocking 110 to their own IP's thats what :) |
| 20:00.50 | treestone | bsims: Mine looks the same. |
| 20:01.00 | greycat | buht: cable modem provider/ |
| 20:01.01 | greycat | ? |
| 20:01.08 | buht | greycat: yah |
| 20:01.19 | muncc2beo | mith: when you start to say something constructive, I'll pay attention to you |
| 20:01.22 | greycat | buht: typical for cable modems.... crap service. |
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| 20:01.29 | initech | buht: for some reason cable isp's are just port blocking crazy |
| 20:01.34 | t35t0r | the mobo guide says it uses only NON-ECC but doesn't say whether it uses registered or non registered it is A7V333 which one to get?? |
| 20:01.44 | mith | muncc2beo: there's nothing constructive to add since you haven't even looked at the information provided to you |
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| 20:02.02 | muncc2beo | mith: and if you'd leave me alone, I'll go look at it |
| 20:02.03 | muncc2beo | myob |
| 20:02.13 | buht | its lame. |
| 20:02.19 | initech | buht: yep |
| 20:02.24 | paulswm | oh boy, came in just in time to see a scrap |
| 20:02.34 | buht | makes me wanna trojanbot net my own isp or something even lamer |
| 20:02.35 | initech | port blocking is a cop out for ip pussies |
| 20:02.37 | bsims | fuckedy |
| 20:02.47 | greycat | apt, ide-scsi =~ s/2.6./2.6. It's broken in 2.6.0 and up: read/ |
| 20:02.48 | | greycat: OK |
| 20:03.12 | euphd | Im having a hell of a time trying to install debian on my machine, no matter what I try, during the kernel/init boot process the system freezes, the last message printed to the screen being “Unified CD-ROM driver” or something close to it after all the IDE drives are correctly detected. Ive been pouring over the FAQs, HOWTOs and any other online reference material and cant seem to figure it out. My question is does anyone know what is being loade |
| 20:03.24 | buht | shit they blocked 25 too |
| 20:03.32 | mith | buht: this is quite common |
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| 20:03.48 | Misirlou | My USB game pad shows up in dmesg, lsusb, and cat /proc/bus/usb/devices, etc., but ZSNES does not recognize it. Do I need to create a device driver for it? |
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| 20:04.09 | mith | buht: charter is a rather craptacular isp anyways, what do you expect? also, it's in your EULA that you can't run any form of 'server' |
| 20:04.29 | zinx | Misirlou: you need to have /dev/js* or /dev/input/js* |
| 20:04.40 | buht | mith: well im definately breaking their laws then :) |
| 20:04.45 | zinx | Misirlou: you need joydev for that |
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| 20:05.10 | buht | mith: i think ill egg their building tomorrow |
| 20:05.11 | initech | joydev? is that some sort of unix pr0n? |
| 20:05.15 | mith | buht: and when they catch you, they'll throttle your bandwidth to hell and laugh at you, if not just disconnect your service |
| 20:05.15 | initech | sick |
| 20:05.34 | greycat | euphd: which kernels have you tried to boot with so far? |
| 20:05.39 | zlate | a question, can i just add a new harddrive and use it as /home ? |
| 20:05.50 | Misirlou | zinx: Ah, I think it's mapped to /dev/input/js0, but only root can access it. |
| 20:05.53 | initech | zlate: of course |
| 20:05.53 | mith | zlate: yes |
| 20:05.54 | greycat | zlate: yes, as long as the file system is supported by your kernel |
| 20:06.01 | euphd | umm, im new to linux, but i tried the default and the bf24 |
| 20:06.01 | buht | mith: thats when ill have a teenager key their cars |
| 20:06.02 | zinx | Misirlou: that'll cause problems too :) |
| 20:06.09 | greycat | euphd: ouch... |
| 20:06.17 | euphd | ? |
| 20:06.33 | zlate | initech mith greycat : ok |
| 20:06.33 | greycat | euphd: the default is the last resort that "should have worked" :-/ |
| 20:06.38 | xbaez | someone with gdesklest ? |
| 20:06.38 | hanasaki | what header is spamassassin supposed to add ? |
| 20:06.42 | initech | buht: you won't get anywhere; the problem with these huge isp's is that they're so centralized, the local office most likely can't do a thing if they wanted to |
| 20:06.45 | ToTo | someone use seti-applet? |
| 20:06.48 | aswe | Hi, can anybody advice me any good doc|howto|man about ospf and dynamic multipath routing ? |
| 20:07.04 | buht | initech: yah, i know... my isp is based in cali and im in mi... still they piss me off |
| 20:07.04 | treestone | zlate: yes. partition it, create a filesystem, rename your old /home, make a new /home, mount the new drive there (add to /etc/fstab), copy your old /home to the new one and delete the old renamed home. |
| 20:07.10 | aswe | I've searched on google but nothing interesting about that found :( |
| 20:07.19 | buht | hey guys... can i setup email accounts with non-existant shell accounts? |
| 20:07.33 | initech | buht: yes, use /bin/false as the shell |
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| 20:07.38 | Misirlou | zinx: Cool, it works now; just had to switch /dev/input/js0 over to the video group. Thanks! |
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| 20:07.46 | greycat | treestone: ah, silly me, for some reason I was assuming his drive already had a file system on it :) |
| 20:07.46 | buht | initech: that requires making a shell account |
| 20:07.49 | euphd | greycat: i understand, im assuming there is some hardware conflict which is why im interested in finding out what the kernel/init loader is doing at the point i described |
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| 20:08.15 | initech | buht: ok, then you can use one of those virtual pop servers that has their own account info if you like |
| 20:08.17 | buht | rephrased... can i make email account with out the need of adduser? |
| 20:08.19 | greycat | euphd: best way to learn that is to boot the same kernel on another box, write down or print all the boot messages (dmesg | lpr) and then compare |
| 20:08.25 | treestone | greycat: Yea, they come with ext3 straight from the shop these days :-) uh.. |
| 20:08.36 | greycat | euphd: for your current box, see if you can remove any unneeded cards (sound, modem, etc.) |
| 20:08.59 | greycat | treestone: well, he didn't say it was a brand new... never mind. :) |
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| 20:09.12 | euphd | greycat: i see, easier said than done (i dont have mucho extra hardware laying around), but thank you for your help |
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| 20:09.25 | initech | buht: i believe vpopmail does that |
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| 20:09.53 | buht | k |
| 20:10.41 | treestone | greycat: I remember when people started to add support for all kind of weird filesystems (back in '92/93). It was usually in order to be able to mount their old drives from some xenix- or sysv system or whatever. |
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| 20:10.49 | mrwoody | I have been trying to use gallery for the first time and I installed the debian package. Is there anyway that i can use the configuration wizard locally on my hd (at the moment the setup directory is /var/lib/gallery/setup |
| 20:10.59 | greycat | treestone: yeah, that's what I was originally thinking |
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| 20:11.17 | zlate | treestone: thanks |
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| 20:11.25 | daralc | hey question... i'm trying to use lame to convert a directory of mp3s from 256kbps to 128kbps and lame -b 128 * doesn't work |
| 20:11.26 | greycat | treestone: because everyone here's been using Unix for 10 years, right? :) |
| 20:11.49 | greycat | daralc: you have to decode them first (try mpg321 | lame) |
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| 20:12.09 | treestone | greycat: I noticed your earlier assumption about that, yes :-) |
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| 20:12.15 | struct | hi |
| 20:12.21 | struct | has modutils been deprecated in 2.6.0? |
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| 20:12.31 | t35t0r | ya ya need new moduilts |
| 20:12.44 | struct | oh i see |
| 20:12.52 | t35t0r | why don't they just build all this stuff into the kernel |
| 20:12.58 | struct | yeah |
| 20:13.03 | t35t0r | like command.com |
| 20:13.09 | caphuso | t35t0r: "this stuff"? |
| 20:13.09 | struct | will pcmcia-cs run off of the new modutils? |
| 20:13.16 | t35t0r | modprobing/lsmoding |
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| 20:13.25 | streuner | for 2.6.0 kernels you need module-init-tools |
| 20:13.37 | struct | pcmcia-cs will run fine yes? |
| 20:13.38 | t35t0r | streuner: that's the porblem you need this and that |
| 20:13.49 | mrkrtl | So where do you get module-init-tools? |
| 20:14.02 | muncc2beo | is there a way to use the bots to figure out what package a program is in? |
| 20:14.02 | t35t0r | some backwater webpage on g |
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| 20:14.04 | aswe | is possible to use modconf with 2.6.x ? |
| 20:14.05 | greycat | mrkrtl: backport it from sarge or sid |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | mrkrtl: or www.apt-get.org |
| 20:14.07 | dendrite | t35t0r: That's also an advantage, in that you can set up a system with ONLY what you need, and nothing you don't. |
| 20:14.09 | mrkrtl | Apt-get didn't get it. |
| 20:14.16 | KenShin_ | WORLD IDOL: PLEASE VOTE FOR GUYS SABASTIAN !!!! |
| 20:14.16 | streuner | mrkrtl: for woody get an backport (apt-get.org), unstable has it. |
| 20:14.17 | greycat | aswe: only with a patch, from what I hear |
| 20:14.20 | mrkrtl | I'm using Woody |
| 20:14.28 | t35t0r | dendrite: most people need modprobing/lsmoding at some point |
| 20:14.33 | buht | thanks everyone |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | KenShin_: uh... is that some TV thing? |
| 20:14.37 | mrkrtl | OK, thanks. |
| 20:14.38 | treestone | t35t0r: That's the whole basic idea with Unix (and derivates/lookalikes): No 'command.com' (or e.g. its equivalent in VMS), instead you use small standalone programs for every command. |
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| 20:14.50 | t35t0r | treestone: annoying at times |
| 20:14.53 | dendrite | t35t0r: Yeah, but not after you build a custom kernel... |
| 20:15.02 | struct | can i still use modconf with module-init-utils? |
| 20:15.08 | t35t0r | dendrite: i built my own custom 2.4.22 kernel |
| 20:15.09 | aswe | greycat: patch aplied to modconf source and do buildpackage ? |
| 20:15.10 | KenShin_ | greycat yeh |
| 20:15.17 | greycat | aswe: but I don't know whwere it is :( |
| 20:15.19 | KenShin_ | vote for guy sabastian |
| 20:15.20 | initech | struct: modconf doesn't work with 2.6 yet, afaik |
| 20:15.24 | t35t0r | dendrite: and i think 2.6 is annoying but that's cause i use rh9 |
| 20:15.25 | streuner | t35t0r: use edit /etc/modules |
| 20:15.25 | struct | oh, ok |
| 20:15.29 | aswe | greycat: ok, thnx |
| 20:15.30 | treestone | t35t0r I don't agree, coming from those systems (DOS, SINTRAN, VMS, other '70's systems) |
| 20:15.38 | greycat | KenShin_: I'm quite proud of the fact that I've never watched any * Idol programming. |
| 20:15.51 | pshaggy | why doesn't #debhelper reply to /msg? which bot should I message? (lilo problems) |
| 20:15.53 | dendrite | t35t0r: Ah, you want to /join #redhat |
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| 20:16.13 | aswe | anybodsy has idea where can I something find about dynamic multipath ? any doc|howto ? |
| 20:16.17 | paulswm | greycat: I have never watched any of those reailty TV shows, not ever :) |
| 20:16.21 | t35t0r | treestone: coming from VMS/DOS ..*nix is better but currently i think it be made better to save time with low level stuff |
| 20:16.45 | greycat | paulswm: I don't think American Idol is reality TV, but yeah, "I hear ya" |
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| 20:17.07 | paulswm | greycat: I mean survivor, all that stuff |
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| 20:17.21 | treestone | t35t0r: You may want to look at busybox, it's one single program which can do it all. Every other file is just a symlink (e.g. /bin/ls -> /bin/busybox) |
| 20:17.26 | struct | i'd like to see polish idol |
| 20:17.31 | initech | paulswm: i doubt anyone here watches that crap :) |
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| 20:17.36 | greycat | paulswm: those, yes. I've never watched Survivor *, but I must admit I've seen pieces of the original reality TV shows on MTV |
| 20:17.38 | treestone | t35t0r: It's mainly meant for small-space floppy standalone systems etc. |
| 20:17.43 | bucky | paulswm: have you seen the new "Debian Survivor" ? |
| 20:17.47 | derobert | Anyone know what happened to alioth? |
| 20:17.55 | greycat | paulswm: too bad I can't get those hours of my life back |
| 20:18.19 | paulswm | greycat: I would prolly watch Ozzie if I lived alone |
| 20:18.21 | derobert | bucky: ... AJ, Overfiend, and Manoj locked on a desert island? |
| 20:18.22 | pshaggy | if you run testing is it possible (easy?) to step back to stable? |
| 20:18.22 | bucky | the contestant never installed linux before and they send him to #debian for help |
| 20:18.25 | beta3 | is there a guide somewhere to using getopt in C programs |
| 20:18.32 | derobert | pshaggy: no |
| 20:18.48 | paulswm | bucky: heh, that's good |
| 20:18.57 | treestone | pshaggy: Downgrading a debian installation is mostly a nightmare. |
| 20:19.21 | paulswm | pshaggy: reinstall |
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| 20:19.31 | initech | bucky: is that show about a handful of debian geeks and a girl on a remote island, or a bunch of jocks with debian disks? |
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| 20:19.35 | paulswm | pshaggy: I mean, do a new install |
| 20:19.36 | pshaggy | where can I find out what packages have issues right now? I usually /msg apt and debhelper doesn't respond |
| 20:19.46 | bucky | initech: lol |
| 20:19.56 | treestone | beta3: 'man 3 getopt' has examples. |
| 20:20.00 | pshaggy | paulswm, it's only the home machine |
| 20:20.15 | pshaggy | when it breaks it gives me an excuse to get a workaround going :) |
| 20:20.17 | derobert | pshaggy: apt seems alive... |
| 20:20.42 | Aquarina | grrrr... ok, I've installed locales on my sistem, but everything is the same as before!... where do I change the system to utf-8 now? |
| 20:20.45 | pshaggy | ooops, your right. he usually shows at the top of my userlist |
| 20:20.52 | derobert | pshaggy: dpkg is alive, too |
| 20:20.53 | pshaggy | he doesn't have ops today |
| 20:20.58 | bucky | pshaggy: have you tried the shaggy os ? |
| 20:21.12 | paulswm | derobert: yeah, I suppose IRCing on #debian is kind of a weirdass reality show |
| 20:21.13 | dendrite | pshaggy: querybts |
| 20:21.31 | dendrite | pshaggy: Though I don't know about a "global search" =8-o |
| 20:21.35 | bucky | who needs reality? |
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| 20:21.45 | pshaggy | thanks |
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| 20:21.53 | initech | paulswm: yes, it's always interesting to see if some newbie can survive mwilsons withering comments |
| 20:22.08 | derobert | paulswm: and the winner is the one to use topicsmite the most. Or to eat the most pizza. One or the other. |
| 20:22.13 | paulswm | initech: hilarious |
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| 20:22.34 | bucky | initech: what will be interesting is if he can survive his own withering comments |
| 20:22.47 | paulswm | derobert: I'm in for the pizza competition |
| 20:22.51 | greycat | mwilson and zap-w, to the death. |
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| 20:23.02 | derobert | paulswm: ... you should of asked what the topping was first! |
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| 20:23.20 | paulswm | derobert: *very* good point |
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| 20:23.25 | greycat | How does one convert "ATSC A/52 aka AC-3 aka Dolby Digital stream, 48 kHz,, complete main (CM) 3 front/2 rear, LFE on,, 448 kbit/s reserved Dolby Surround mode" (file(1) output) to Vorbis? |
| 20:23.26 | derobert | paulswm: today's pizza has anchovies, pepperoni, and extra rats |
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| 20:23.41 | initech | derobert: pepperoni? yech! |
| 20:23.47 | paulswm | greycat: someone was going to compile a list of everything mwilson didn't like |
| 20:24.02 | greycat | paulswm: it's finite? |
| 20:24.04 | initech | paulswm: wrong approach i think |
| 20:24.12 | paulswm | greycat: that's one bigass file |
| 20:24.12 | greycat | initech: hehe |
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| 20:24.21 | initech | paulswm: we should treat him to a #debian "roasting" one day :-) |
| 20:24.36 | paulswm | initech: he's pretty think skinned |
| 20:24.47 | paulswm | s/think/thick/ |
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| 20:24.59 | derobert | initech: hmmm, a roast could be fun... |
| 20:25.06 | initech | derobert: yes, more rat please, and spam! |
| 20:25.09 | netbrain | and kurt nilsen is the winner |
| 20:25.37 | initech | derobert: spam, calf brains and whipped cream |
| 20:25.49 | Aquarina | what file do I change default locale?! |
| 20:25.55 | paulswm | mwilson == real world Eeyore |
| 20:26.10 | freyr_ | Does anyone know if this is possible. I have a gateway doing NAT for my 192.168.0.x network so that I can get to the net. The gateway is 192.168.0.1. On my laptop 192.168.0.2 I have a sharp zaurus that I am connecting from my laptop 192.168.1.1 to the zaurus 192.168.1.2 . I want my laptop to NAT from the zaurus onto my 192.168.0.x network and then my gateway to NAT to the net. That way my zaurus can access the internet. Is this possible? |
| 20:26.11 | greycat | paulswm: no, Oscar the Grouch |
| 20:26.17 | greycat | paulswm: eeyore's pretty passive |
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| 20:26.31 | derobert | freyr_: yes |
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| 20:26.49 | derobert | freyr_: set up your laptop to do NAT, just like you did with your gateway |
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| 20:26.51 | paulswm | greycat: yes, and a sympathetic character. I take it back :) |
| 20:27.04 | derobert | freyr_: or, even better, have your gateway nat for both subnets |
| 20:27.11 | mwilson | paulswm: Actually, it's a very small list. |
| 20:27.20 | treestone | Aquarina: One way is to set environment variables (e.g. LANG) in /etc/environment |
| 20:27.38 | paulswm | mwilson: heh, I wondered if you'd show, happy new year |
| 20:27.44 | Aquarina | treestone: hum.... is there another way? |
| 20:28.15 | Aquarina | treestone: i don't have that file! |
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| 20:28.37 | treestone | Aquarina: Well, if you don't want it changed globally I assume you could set LANG in your login file. Uh, just noticed your next message. Just create /etc/enviroment if you don't have it. |
| 20:28.39 | saiya | do the debian netboot images include dd? |
| 20:28.40 | mwilson | paulswm: When will people understand that I couldn't care less whether someone is "new" or not? |
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| 20:29.05 | Aquarina | treestone: ok I'll try |
| 20:29.09 | paulswm | mwilson: never |
| 20:29.19 | derobert | mwilson: when you beat it into them with a clue-by-4 |
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| 20:29.21 | freyr_ | derobert: I can ping google.com from my laptop. And I can ping the gateway my laptop uses from my zaurus. But I can not ping google.com from my zaurus |
| 20:29.21 | freyr_ | derobert: the gateway is a linksys gateway... (i use linux at my other house for a gateway so ive done NAT b4). My laptop connects to the gateway via eth1. And usb0 is its network connection the zaurus |
| 20:29.26 | treestone | Aquarina: If you run KDE there is also a way of setting it through the KDE Control Center. |
| 20:29.27 | arauko | anyone knows a good ftp client with a very good upload resume option? |
| 20:29.44 | mwilson | paulswm: Apparently not. People seem to think that being "new" gives them a license to be stupid. |
| 20:29.55 | greycat | arauko: ftp, lftp |
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| 20:29.57 | mwilson | paulswm: stupid != uninformed |
| 20:30.03 | derobert | freyr_: ah, so basically your question boils down to "how do I set up NAT on Linux"? |
| 20:30.13 | mutek | arauko: the command line ftp package does this very well. |
| 20:30.23 | freyr_ | derobert: Ive set it up. |
| 20:30.26 | mutek | arauko: ah - hang on - sorry - did you say upload? |
| 20:30.26 | arauko | greycat: ftp .. dude.. i just have to use put and it will resume automatically? |
| 20:30.39 | arauko | mutek: yeah |
| 20:30.42 | greycat | arauko: no, you have to use the "restart" command before "put" |
| 20:30.47 | freyr_ | derobert: my laptop seems to NAT to my 192.168.0.x but I cant get it to touch 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:30.57 | mutek | arauko: wish I could read. |
| 20:31.06 | paulswm | mwilson: I cannot gainsay your statement. Sadly you are pretty much on target |
| 20:31.12 | arauko | greycat: thanks.. and theres any way to do it verbose, like a status bar? |
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| 20:31.31 | freyr_ | derobert: that made no sense. I meant. I can ping google from my laptop through the gateway. I can ping the gateway from my zaurus through my laptop. But I cant ping google from my zaurus through my laptop and the gateway |
| 20:31.35 | greycat | arauko: did you look at lftp yet? |
| 20:31.41 | nt0x | what package is dig in? |
| 20:31.46 | greycat | nt0x: dnsutils |
| 20:31.46 | derobert | freyr_: Your zaurus (192.168.1.x) can ping the linksys (192.168.0.1)? |
| 20:31.50 | arauko | greycat: ooh tue.. hah.. thanks |
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| 20:32.00 | freyr_ | derobert: actually not anymore... I thought it was |
| 20:32.01 | nt0x | ty greycat |
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| 20:32.26 | derobert | freyr_: first question, did you remember to turn on IP forwarding on the laptop? |
| 20:32.31 | freyr_ | derobert: let me hack this for a while... thanks for telling me its possible and im not trying to do something stupid |
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| 20:32.46 | wuhuu | hello |
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| 20:33.07 | derobert | freyr_: btw, you may want to look into bridging, so that your zaurus can be on your lan |
| 20:33.08 | wuhuu | howto get the gaim aplet running on gnome-panel ? |
| 20:33.15 | wuhuu | +p |
| 20:33.30 | freyr_ | derobert: ok that would be easier I think |
| 20:33.34 | wuhuu | gaim systemtray applet |
| 20:33.38 | freyr_ | derobert: thanks |
| 20:34.06 | freyr_ | derobert: actually is that easier? This is a hack because Im getting a wireless card but it hasnt arrived yet :~( |
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| 20:34.24 | derobert | wuhuu: In the latest gaim, I think there is a plugin you have to load. On older versions, there was a gaim-gnome |
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| 20:34.30 | indigo | can anyone help me figure out why imapd says "login disabled" when i try to check my mail? |
| 20:34.38 | derobert | freyr_: bridging is fairly easy to set up, normally... |
| 20:34.41 | indigo | i've been looking for hours with no help.. |
| 20:34.58 | indigo | i just want to check my mail :/ |
| 20:35.00 | greycat | indigo: which imap server? |
| 20:35.04 | indigo | greycat: uw-imapd |
| 20:35.05 | freyr_ | derobert: ok ill check linuxdoc.org.. thanks |
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| 20:35.16 | greycat | indigo: does it log anything? |
| 20:35.19 | derobert | freyr_: you may be able to apt-get install bridge-utils and that be about it |
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| 20:35.40 | indigo | greycat: yah, just "imapd[29013]: Login disabled" |
| 20:36.05 | indigo | problem is, i can't figure out WHERE or WHY it's disabled |
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| 20:36.21 | greycat | indigo: what does your line in /etc/passwd look like? (field 2) |
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| 20:36.41 | indigo | greycat: just x...shadow passwords |
| 20:36.50 | indigo | greycat: hum...does imapd not support shadow passwords? |
| 20:37.01 | greycat | indigo: I'd expect it to |
| 20:37.06 | indigo | so would i :/ |
| 20:37.31 | greycat | indigo: valid shell? valid home dir? |
| 20:37.33 | indigo | greycat: it would seem it's using pam, as there is an /etc/pam.d/imap |
| 20:37.38 | indigo | greycat: yah, i can log on to the box |
| 20:37.47 | paulswm | mwilson: I have to say that, joking aside, you are definitely the master of the devaststing one liner |
| 20:37.56 | paulswm | s/tst/tat/ |
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| 20:38.52 | indigo | greycat: there was an option when i configured it about allowing insecure plaintext passwords; i initially said no, but have since changed it to yes... |
| 20:39.03 | indigo | greycat: i've tried connecting with ssl, without... |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | indigo: I use maildir format, and courier-imap |
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| 20:39.44 | indigo | greycat: hum...how hard is it to get exim using maildir? |
| 20:40.11 | greycat | indigo: should be easy once you figure out how :) |
| 20:40.21 | indigo | :/ |
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| 20:40.31 | scottlu | Question for the experts: apt-cache tells me there is no kernel-image-2.6.0 package yet... anyone know an eta? |
| 20:40.32 | derobert | indigo: I think its just a few line change in exim3, a one-line change in exim4 |
| 20:40.50 | derobert | indigo: look for "maildir_format" in your exim config |
| 20:40.52 | greycat | scottlu: you could just build your own custom kernel .den |
| 20:40.54 | greycat | .deb even |
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| 20:41.17 | scottlu | true |
| 20:41.24 | ljlane | scottlu: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/ at your own risk |
| 20:41.32 | paulswm | can anyone tell me what I lose if I drop scsi emulation for ATAPI CDRW and Zip drives (2.4.22 kernel). Evidently, cdrecord works OK with ATAPI despite some dire warnings. Is it just the ability to software-eject? |
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| 20:41.44 | scottlu | ljlane - thanks |
| 20:41.49 | freyr_ | derobert: concerning the bridge... Do i give it a third ip address? Should all 3 ip addresses be 192.168.0.something? or will I stll have .1.? and .0.? as before? |
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| 20:42.18 | derobert | freyr_: I don't think you need to give the bridge an ip... |
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| 20:42.26 | dave__ | any awk sed dudes here |
| 20:42.28 | ganja_ | helo |
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| 20:42.34 | derobert | freyr_: or, if you do, you put your laptop's IP there (instead of on eth0, or whatever) |
| 20:42.35 | greycat | ~tell dave__ about ask |
| 20:42.37 | ganja_ | i search a german debian channel |
| 20:42.40 | greycat | ~german |
| 20:42.42 | | german is probably #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 20:42.46 | ljlane | paulswm: you don't even lose cd-eject |
| 20:42.53 | nvz | !dict dude |
| 20:42.59 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dude' (2 shown): Dude \Dude\, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations. [Recent] ;; a man who is much concerned with his dress and appearance . |
| 20:42.59 | paulswm | ljlane: so there is no downside? |
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| 20:43.30 | dave__ | i need to chop off the -hosts and leave a relative path to the zone name as in "named/hosts/masters/mountainfreak.com-hosts" |
| 20:43.40 | ljlane | paulswm: nothing obvious to me. cdrdao support was lacking the last time I tried, but should be up to date by now. |
| 20:43.43 | paulswm | derobert: ro-roh |
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| 20:43.55 | paulswm | ljlane: thx |
| 20:43.57 | derobert | paulswm: but if it works for you... |
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| 20:44.30 | derobert | dave__: 'cut' could do that, so could perl, sed, etc. |
| 20:44.35 | paulswm | derobert: well I haven't acutally tried burning anything yet, was going to remove scsi emulation and then try |
| 20:44.42 | nvz | I have more problems with burnproof than with the IDE/ATAPI burning |
| 20:44.53 | dexcophan | is kernel source package included in debian ISO? i need it |
| 20:44.54 | derobert | paulswm: well, I suggest "sync; sync; sync; cdrecord ..." then :-) |
| 20:45.05 | paulswm | derobert: lol |
| 20:45.08 | hackeron | I've just noticed this line in my last output! ' v align= Rights Rese % cellspacing=0 Thu Jan 1 00:00 - crash (12417+21:11 ' --- WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!? |
| 20:45.08 | nvz | half the time burnproof wont even turn on, and when it does it may or may not actually work |
| 20:45.09 | dave__ | i know i was just looking for a shell guru to do it for me |
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| 20:45.36 | derobert | hackeron: huh? |
| 20:45.54 | dave__ | all elegant like one awk and se |
| 20:45.56 | dave__ | sed |
| 20:45.59 | hackeron | derobert: exactly what I'm thinking!, what is this? |
| 20:45.59 | muncc2beo | hackeron: what's that? HTML on drugs? |
| 20:46.03 | greycat | hackeron: corrupted wtmp? |
| 20:46.08 | hackeron | muncc2beo: no, run last |
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| 20:46.11 | derobert | hackeron: where do you see it? |
| 20:46.12 | tam | any idea how I burn a Mac disc image (dmg) using linux? |
| 20:46.16 | hackeron | greycat: err, how do I check? |
| 20:46.18 | hackeron | derobert: run last |
| 20:46.26 | greycat | hackeron: less /var/log/wtmp ... |
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| 20:46.30 | derobert | tam: cdrecord |
| 20:46.33 | greycat | hackeron: have fun reading binary |
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| 20:46.38 | greycat | (err, hex) |
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| 20:46.45 | derobert | tam: assuming its in 'cd master' format... |
| 20:46.48 | tam | derobert: will it still work on mac as a disc image though? |
| 20:46.57 | paulswm | dave__: man awk, man sed, become a "shell guru" :> |
| 20:47.02 | dobby | hello i have a big problem with my hardisk, it just mount my root partition but i want that it mount my dev/hda1 and 2 also, i have entered it in fstab but nothing works! please help |
| 20:47.05 | hackeron | greycat: it all seems to work fine, it shows me logged in at the moment, it shows all previous log attempts, but on the first second of Jan 1 2003 it showed this error message |
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| 20:47.10 | dexcophan | where could i get the kernel source file? |
| 20:47.20 | derobert | tam: it'll mount as HFS[+] disk |
| 20:47.20 | hackeron | greycat: well, I'm thinking it's related to the date anyway, never had anything like this before |
| 20:47.21 | netbrain | where can i find documentation about the individual groups in debian? |
| 20:47.31 | greycat | hackeron: still sounds like you have corrutped data in wtmp |
| 20:47.47 | greycat | netbrain: find / -group foobar -print |
| 20:47.47 | nvz | derobert: kernel.org |
| 20:47.51 | hackeron | greycat: well, why is it currupted if it all works fine? |
| 20:47.59 | paulswm | mwilson, dobby needs your help |
| 20:48.03 | tam | derobert: OK thanks |
| 20:48.04 | nvz | dexcophan: what version? |
| 20:48.08 | greycat | hackeron: clearly it *doesn't* all work fine, or you swuoldn't be asking about it |
| 20:48.15 | dexcophan | 2.2.20 |
| 20:48.22 | nvz | dexcophan: haha.. no seriously |
| 20:48.37 | dave__ | quit |
| 20:48.45 | dobby | mwilson: i can mount the partition by hand but not automatically |
| 20:48.55 | derobert | tam: of course, you should try it to make sure... |
| 20:49.04 | paulswm | lol |
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| 20:49.08 | paulswm | sorry marc |
| 20:49.10 | fatal__ | hackeron: possibly someone cracked into your system and wanted to cover his traces... but fucked up slightly while modifying wtmp.. |
| 20:49.27 | hackeron | greycat: dude, look at the date, its Thu Jan 1 00:00 -- it was working flawless before, and its working flawless after, but at that exact second it printed this message |
| 20:49.56 | indigo | derobert: was just a change of LOCAL_DELIVERY :P |
| 20:50.01 | nvz | dexcophan: seriously now, what are you trying to do? what does uname -r report? 2.2.20-idepci? |
| 20:50.07 | tam | derobert: yes, i will try it |
| 20:50.10 | derobert | indigo: yep, exim4 I see |
| 20:50.21 | greycat | hackeron: and mine does not. |
| 20:50.22 | hackeron | greycat: also, if it's currepted, how do I fix it? |
| 20:50.38 | indigo | derobert: yah....took me some time to trace it back from those 50 files...but works once changed |
| 20:50.38 | derobert | hackeron: that looks like you got random data from another file in there... |
| 20:50.40 | paulswm | ljlane derobert Justin_ - thx for your feedback on ATAPI CD, I think I'll give it a shot, have plenty of blank CDs :) |
| 20:50.46 | hackeron | greycat: yeah, on my server and laptop it doesn't show this as well, only on my PC.. |
| 20:50.48 | indigo | derobert: a nice change from the way things have been going... |
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| 20:51.00 | credativ | wazzap!!! |
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| 20:51.13 | derobert | hackeron: Did your machine take a crash? |
| 20:51.24 | credativ | somebody, please help me with debian's netinstall issues!!! |
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| 20:51.39 | derobert | ~tell credativ about ask |
| 20:51.40 | nvz | credativ: you mean your netinstall issues? |
| 20:51.52 | paulswm | dobby: if you can mount manually, then it sounds like you need to check your fstab |
| 20:51.55 | nvz | credativ: that you have yet to state to ANYONE? |
| 20:52.07 | Aquarina | what do I need to get locales set in debian?! |
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| 20:52.18 | hackeron | derobert: no |
| 20:52.19 | derobert | Aquarina: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 20:52.23 | hackeron | derobert: no crash |
| 20:52.26 | dobby | paulswm: i havit in my fstab |
| 20:52.28 | Aquarina | i just installed locales, but nothing changed! |
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| 20:53.12 | paulswm | dobby: when you mount manually, what is the exact command you are using? |
| 20:53.16 | nautis | KADSOKDOK!!~@~ |
| 20:53.23 | derobert | hackeron: if I had random file corruption, I'd do a reboot and fsck immediately, and probably a memtest86 too |
| 20:53.26 | credativ | nvz, derobert: i've try to install debian sid from a lot of mirrors with a netinstall cd, but the installer tell me something about can't download a plackage called "libacl1" |
| 20:53.33 | Aquarina | derobert: is there some other package i need? i just noticed I don't have /etc/environmente |
| 20:53.36 | credativ | sorry about my english, i'm mexican |
| 20:53.42 | nautis | hispanican |
| 20:53.44 | dobby | paulswm: mount /dev/hda5 /home |
| 20:53.53 | indigo | greycat: cool...works, thx :) |
| 20:53.56 | nvz | credativ: are you using a standard netinstall cd from a mirror on debian.org? |
| 20:54.11 | derobert | credativ: don't install sid, then. |
| 20:54.20 | derobert | credativ: try woody or sarge |
| 20:54.23 | paulswm | dobby: and what is your exact fstab entry for /home |
| 20:54.34 | nvz | credativ: install woody's base system, modify the sources list then dist-upgrade and continue your install |
| 20:54.42 | derobert | Aquarina: you can just create /etc/environment. Mine just has one line, "LANG=en_US" |
| 20:54.47 | credativ | derobert, nvz: mhhh, i guess, but sarge and sid do the same error |
| 20:54.48 | dobby | paulswm: /dev/hda5 |
| 20:54.49 | hackeron | derobert: well, it's loggin things fine now... and I'm using reiserFS, isn't it supposed to fix all problems on its own anyway? |
| 20:55.08 | derobert | hackeron: Not if you have, for example, bad memory |
| 20:55.22 | dobby | paulswm: /dev/hda5 /home ext3 0 1 |
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| 20:55.56 | credativ | nvz, derobert: where can i find a netinstall cd of woody? i've been searching for a netinstall of woody's base system, but i didn't find it |
| 20:56.03 | Aquarina | derobert: but... the system will look for it by default? |
| 20:56.13 | derobert | Aquarina: I think so |
| 20:56.18 | Aquarina | ok |
| 20:56.21 | Aquarina | let's see |
| 20:56.23 | derobert | Aquarina: quick enough to test |
| 20:56.23 | paulswm | dobby: you don't have anything in the "options" filed in your fstab entry. man fstab and man mount |
| 20:56.26 | greycat | Aquarina: yes, read /etc/pam.d/* and look for env |
| 20:56.29 | mwilson | credativ: Sid has no guarantee of being installable at any given time. |
| 20:56.33 | paulswm | s/filed/field/ |
| 20:56.38 | nvz | credativ: you should be going to www.debian.org and not searching aimlessly, then comming here and asking us for help with unofficial stuff |
| 20:57.04 | nvz | credativ: our ability to help is based on the understanding that you are using the official stuff that we all use |
| 20:57.49 | hackeron | derobert: so reiserFS doesn't work if ram is of poor quality!? |
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| 20:58.09 | Justin_ | hackeron: uh, nothing works if ram is of poor quality |
| 20:58.15 | mwilson | You know... I google for a Woody netinst ISO, I find one in under a minute. What is it with people, are they utterly incompetent? |
| 20:58.18 | paulswm | dobby: you should have something like: /dev/hda5 /home ext3 defaults 1 0 |
| 20:58.29 | bob2 | mwilson: lazy. |
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| 20:58.41 | derobert | hackeron: Every piece of software assumes that if it stores 5 to a memory location and later reads that location back, it will get 5. If you RAM is defective --- and it gets 6 instead --- all bets are off. |
| 20:59.01 | bob2 | mwilson: took me under 15 seconds, including copying the url, ad starting wget. |
| 20:59.02 | derobert | mwilson: You have to ask that? |
| 20:59.03 | RichiH | any suggestions on a free jump an drun game? |
| 20:59.16 | xsdg | does anyone know of an application like pgaccess but that is still being maintained? |
| 20:59.28 | paulswm | mwilson: definitely lazy. why hunt through google links if some sucker will hand you the answer in here (or even google for you) |
| 20:59.32 | credativ | nvz, mwilson: i'm sorry, i'm not asking for "official support"... i'm just guessing about some help, sorry for any inconvenience |
| 20:59.41 | bob2 | it's not teven that. |
| 20:59.43 | kalessin | Does anybody know of a program to edit avi movies? I'd kind of like to cut commercials out of stuff I capture from my tuner card. |
| 20:59.45 | amphi | xsdg: pgaccess is no longer maintained? |
| 20:59.51 | bob2 | the FIRST hit on google will give it to them. |
| 20:59.52 | RichiH | happy new year, by the way :) |
| 21:00.03 | hackeron | derobert: hmm, well, ram is generic, so that's not exactly good quality ram |
| 21:00.08 | xsdg | amphi: it doesn't seem to be... there hasn't been a new package in a number of months |
| 21:00.10 | nvz | credativ: well just get a netinst image from a link on debian.org or if possible d/l the first woody cd. |
| 21:00.18 | hackeron | derobert: so you're saying you can't use linux on generic ram? |
| 21:00.21 | derobert | hackeron: RAM is either good (it works) or it doesn't... |
| 21:00.37 | nvz | credativ: then once you've got the base woody system installed, apt-get install irssi-text and come back and ask for help. |
| 21:00.38 | mwilson | credativ: Who, other than yourself, has mentioned the work "official"? |
| 21:00.46 | derobert | hackeron: I'm saying that if your RAM doesn't reliably return the same value as was written to it, your hardware is broken. |
| 21:00.55 | mwilson | xsdg: mysqlcc ^_^ |
| 21:00.56 | hackeron | derobert: no, there's also ECC ram, and different speeds, etc.. so poor quality ram is generic cheap slow ram with no ecc |
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| 21:00.59 | plush-dally | i have.... sound.... |
| 21:01.05 | plush-dally | :| it worked |
| 21:01.10 | hackeron | derobert: right, so my hardware is not broken :) |
| 21:01.14 | plush-dally | hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha it worked!!! |
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| 21:01.22 | xsdg | mwilson: thanks [sic] |
| 21:01.37 | derobert | hackeron: that's why I said "bad", not "cheap"! |
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| 21:01.41 | hackeron | derobert: you didn't say that though, you said if ram is poor quality then you can't use linux.. and poor quality ram != broken ram |
| 21:01.42 | nvz | mwilson: me, as there arent officially any sid install cds that I can recall, which is when I instructed him to goto debian.org and fetch an image we all know works |
| 21:01.44 | pshaggy | exit |
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| 21:01.55 | hackeron | derobert: you said poor quality |
| 21:02.02 | bob2 | hackeron: I thought it was clear that poor quality == broken. |
| 21:02.04 | xsdg | ~+info pgaccess sid |
| 21:02.15 | derobert | hackeron: you have me confused with Justin_, I think |
| 21:02.20 | xsdg | amphi: ^^^ |
| 21:02.22 | bob2 | hackeron: if it actually worked, it wouldn't be poor quality. |
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| 21:02.38 | credativ | mwilson: please be more pacient, i'm mexican, i feel some bad with you, bye |
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| 21:03.09 | chris` | credativ: There's a spanish channel, go there |
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| 21:03.15 | derobert | hackeron: I just said if write 5 / read back 6 occurs then there is a problem... |
| 21:03.16 | credativ | nvz: thx for your help, i'm going to download the first woody cd, and upgrade with apt-get from base system :d |
| 21:03.18 | b0ef | what package is time part of? |
| 21:03.29 | credativ | chris2: shut the fuck up... i'm not talking with you |
| 21:03.32 | derobert | hackeron: but, honestly, if you're seeing corruption, something is wrong. |
| 21:03.33 | nvz | credativ: thats the way I do it.. works well that way |
| 21:03.38 | Orhad | is a new version of woody expected soon ? |
| 21:03.45 | derobert | hackeron: if you haven't every checked the RAM on the machine, you should |
| 21:03.46 | amphi | xsdg: there's gtksql, but I don't think it's up to much yet |
| 21:03.48 | credativ | nvz: thx, see you later pal |
| 21:03.49 | xsdg | credativ: tranquilo por favor |
| 21:03.51 | credativ | nvz: bye |
| 21:03.52 | paulswm | credativ: mwilson's usually that way, don't worry about it |
| 21:03.57 | bob2 | Orhad: no |
| 21:04.04 | nvz | credativ: then install aptitude or some kind of package manager and finish installing sid packages after you upgrade |
| 21:04.10 | credativ | ahi la vemos... bye |
| 21:04.15 | Orhad | bob2 i heard it was |
| 21:04.17 | credativ | nvz: ok thx! |
| 21:04.21 | bob2 | Orhad: that's nice. |
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| 21:04.38 | Orhad | yes it is |
| 21:04.39 | bob2 | Orhad: do you mean "new stable release of Debian"? |
| 21:04.48 | Orhad | yes |
| 21:04.57 | mdourado1973mt | test test |
| 21:05.00 | bob2 | Orhad: that's an entirely different matter. "yes". |
| 21:05.06 | derobert | mdourado1973mt: failed |
| 21:05.22 | Orhad | bob2 : is there any information available on it ? |
| 21:05.30 | bob2 | Orhad: lots. |
| 21:05.31 | paulswm | derobert: heh |
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| 21:05.40 | Orhad | such as ? |
| 21:05.51 | bob2 | Orhad: it will b e called sarge. |
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| 21:05.52 | indigo | greycat: hum...would i be pushing my luck if i asked if you know how to disable plaintext passwords? :) |
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| 21:06.00 | xsdg | amphi: hrm... looks interesting |
| 21:06.08 | pshaggy | is there a way to make wmaker regenerate it's menu system? I get a menu with no choices when I click |
| 21:06.09 | mwilson | paulswm: What way am I usually? |
| 21:06.12 | derobert | indigo: plaintext passwords where? |
| 21:06.12 | topaz8 | ~apt karma speuler |
| 21:06.12 | | speuler has neutral karma |
| 21:06.21 | Orhad | bob2 so everything in sarge will be frozen and moved to stable ? |
| 21:06.33 | indigo | derobert: imap authentication |
| 21:06.33 | xsdg | pshaggy: is the menu package installed? |
| 21:06.36 | bob2 | Orhad: no. sarge will be frozen, and then it will BECOME stable. |
| 21:06.37 | indigo | derobert: for courier-imapd |
| 21:06.37 | greycat | indigo: you could use stunnel... |
| 21:06.40 | derobert | indigo: with courier? |
| 21:06.52 | paulswm | mwilson: you come across as somewhat impatient and unforgiving, it's intimidating to some |
| 21:06.58 | bob2 | Orhad: the ysmlink from stable to woody on the mirrors will be broken, and a new one from stable to sarge mmade. |
| 21:06.59 | Orhad | interesting... but lots of stuff is broken in sarge right now |
| 21:07.00 | xsdg | bob2: what's the next name? |
| 21:07.04 | derobert | indigo: look in /etc/courier. You can chose which authentication methods to allow there |
| 21:07.06 | indigo | yah, the problem is that i'm on another server that is using the imaps port, and it's just a pain... |
| 21:07.12 | bob2 | xsdg: whatever aj decides. |
| 21:07.18 | paulswm | mwilson: the poor guy got quite rattled |
| 21:07.20 | pshaggy | xsdg: it wasn't |
| 21:07.22 | pshaggy | it is now |
| 21:07.23 | indigo | the situation is that this box has 5 ips |
| 21:07.24 | xsdg | Orhad: there will be bug hunting parties... don't worry :o) |
| 21:07.33 | Orhad | bob2 so woody will dissapear ? |
| 21:07.34 | indigo | it runs redhat (ugh) so i installed debian chrooted on it |
| 21:07.35 | derobert | Orhad: which is why sarge isn't released yet... |
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| 21:07.59 | derobert | Orhad: woody will live forever. For a while, it will be "oldstable". After that, it will move to archive.debian.org |
| 21:08.05 | indigo | redhat has stunnel bounds to the imaps port, and the cpanel scripts are so obfuscated i can't find where to make it bind to only the IPs that belong to that box |
| 21:08.19 | xsdg | derobert: I wanna live forever... what's woody's secret? |
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| 21:08.32 | Orhad | you'll live forever in my heard xsdg |
| 21:08.37 | greycat | xsdg: two-year gestation period? :) |
| 21:08.43 | xsdg | roflmao |
| 21:08.47 | latency | s/heard/head/ ? |
| 21:08.51 | bob2 | Orhad: no, of course not. it will be called oldstable, then moved off the mirrors to archive.debian.org |
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| 21:09.07 | indigo | derobert: i see how to configure the authentication backend used, but i don't see a way to disable plaintext passwords in the imap protocol |
| 21:09.28 | ratbiker | depmod: Can't open /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.20/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing |
| 21:09.32 | indigo | i can't find a decent manual for it anywhere either |
| 21:09.47 | js | is there a way to find the unix time with date without fooling around with format stuff? |
| 21:09.55 | ratbiker | My attempt o build kernel craps out with above |
| 21:09.57 | xsdg | js: nope |
| 21:10.05 | xsdg | js: date +%s |
| 21:10.32 | derobert | indigo: hmmm.... maybe the best courier lets you do is not advertise it... |
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| 21:10.47 | pshaggy | xsdg, even after installing menu and doing |
| 21:10.50 | indigo | hrm :/ |
| 21:10.51 | nvz | js: yeah do alot of extra pointless math |
| 21:10.52 | pshaggy | "update-menus" |
| 21:10.56 | pshaggy | I still have none |
| 21:10.59 | js | oh ok |
| 21:11.02 | ratbiker | Any one build a kernel lately? |
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| 21:11.07 | xsdg | pshaggy: hrm... dunno |
| 21:11.08 | derobert | indigo: ... by changing imapd.conf's IMAP_CAPABILITY |
| 21:11.26 | xsdg | ratbiker: maybe back up your personal menu and delete it? |
| 21:11.26 | netbrain | what is wildcard in grep? |
| 21:11.29 | mwilson | paulswm: I'm *very* unforgiving. |
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| 21:11.36 | derobert | ratbiker: No one has actually built the kernel since October 14, 1997. |
| 21:11.39 | xsdg | netbrain: man grep? |
| 21:11.41 | bob2 | netbrain: .* |
| 21:11.45 | nvz | js: as I understand unix time is just seconds since Jan 1st.. and seems to me that the date format makes calculating that much easier |
| 21:11.53 | ratbiker | compile the kernel |
| 21:11.56 | honschu | Howto create a PID-File for a running program? |
| 21:12.05 | paulswm | mwilson: yes, that would pretty much sum it up :) |
| 21:12.15 | ratbiker | what personal menu? |
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| 21:12.22 | xsdg | ratbiker: sorry |
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| 21:12.32 | Orhad | is sarge decent to use in a production environment ? |
| 21:12.32 | xsdg | pshaggy: maybe back up your personal menu and delete it? |
| 21:12.33 | azreal | nvz: seconds since jan 1st 1970 |
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| 21:13.06 | nvz | azreal: oh.. well shit thats going to be a pretty big number one day |
| 21:13.09 | paulswm | Orhad: woody is production, sarge is testing, and although it is reasonably stable "testing" == "testing" |
| 21:13.16 | RichiH | mwilson: i have or two isos hanging around, too |
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| 21:13.30 | RichiH | mwilson: if you want, i can bz them up, some time |
| 21:13.39 | derobert | Orhad: sarge doesn't have security support. |
| 21:13.46 | Orhad | ok, what if i want to remain stable, but pickup packages from testing |
| 21:13.47 | ratbiker | I need help compiling the kernel, all the modules finished compiling but it can't sort them out. |
| 21:13.51 | xsdg | nvz: the billenium was within the past year |
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| 21:13.59 | azreal | nvz: hehe |
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| 21:14.05 | Orhad | can I install stable, dist-upgrade to testing, install the apps, then move back to stable ? |
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| 21:14.11 | nvz | ratbiker: the question ringing in my head is why you didnt use kernel-package |
| 21:14.12 | Justin_ | ratbiker: "it can't sort them out" is not a problem |
| 21:14.12 | azreal | nvz: its a big number now |
| 21:14.13 | derobert | Orhad: no |
| 21:14.19 | paulswm | Orhad: no. read the apt docs |
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| 21:14.25 | xsdg | Orhad: what do you mean by "move back to stable? |
| 21:14.34 | paulswm | Orhad: read the docs and *then* ask questions |
| 21:14.40 | ratbiker | I need ppscsi module which is a patch only |
| 21:14.49 | Orhad | i mean, keep a relatively stable env excluding the few apps that I install from testing/unstable |
| 21:14.50 | mdourado1973mt | oi |
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| 21:15.09 | derobert | ratbiker: ... how does that stop you from using make-kpkg? |
| 21:15.10 | ratbiker | I am using make-kpkg |
| 21:15.28 | xsdg | Orhad: most apps in testing/unstable will require a new libc6, which will cause most of the stable apps to be upgraded anyway |
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| 21:16.02 | OwO | When I tried using tasksel to install a Desktop Environment on this version of Sarge, I got 10 lines of "unmet dependancies" and broken packages for KDE. Is there any way around this so I can get the usual graphical login and desktop (OTHER THAN twm) ? |
| 21:16.03 | derobert | Orhad: the basic problem with installing stuff from testing on woody is (ok, there are a few more) libc. Stuff in testing needs a newwer libc. The newer libc, last I heard, breaks stuff in woody. |
| 21:16.06 | nvz | azreal: and I thought unix time was like UTC pretty much independant of timezone.. so if it based on Jan 1 1970 and if that day change happened at different times in different places, then how is it a universal time format? |
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| 21:16.26 | xsdg | OwO: dont' use KDE... use xfce4 |
| 21:16.32 | bob2 | OwO: of course. file a bug. then read the BTS and find the current solution. |
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| 21:16.37 | LasseL | hi, I am looking for the sarge netinst image, the debian servers seems to be down |
| 21:16.39 | derobert | nvz: unix time = seconds since Jan 1, 1970 UTC |
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| 21:16.40 | azreal | nvz: its not, system time is independant of UTC |
| 21:16.57 | Orhad | so i really have no choice but to move to testing, because the package I want exists solely in testing |
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| 21:17.03 | mdourado1973mt | use wmaker |
| 21:17.04 | OwO | bob2 "BTS" ? What does that acronym stand for please ? |
| 21:17.05 | derobert | LasseL: did you try google? |
| 21:17.11 | LasseL | aye |
| 21:17.16 | bob2 | OwO: come on. /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:17.17 | LasseL | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:17.30 | bob2 | Orhad: duh, use stable and install whatever other specific crap you need on top of that. |
| 21:17.30 | derobert | LasseL: "/msg dpkg news #debian" |
| 21:17.32 | Adian | LasseL: for my netinst sarge installs, I just use David Kimdon's stable bf2.4, and upgrade |
| 21:17.37 | OwO | Ah |
| 21:17.49 | OwO | sheesh ! Its so obvious once you see it.... heheehehe |
| 21:17.55 | ratbiker | I've got a legitimate problem. I followed your README. |
| 21:18.07 | LasseL | I have a special raid controller, that I have problems with |
| 21:18.27 | nvz | OwO: welcome to the Wide World of Acronyms |
| 21:18.33 | LasseL | so I'd like the a install disc that uses as new a kernel as possible |
| 21:18.44 | azreal | nvz: the HWC is supposed to be programmed to UTC |
| 21:18.46 | Orhad | bob2 you mean install it without apt-get ? |
| 21:19.07 | Justin_ | !tell ratbiker about ask |
| 21:19.10 | xsdg | azreal: alpha bravo zulu niner niner! |
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| 21:19.18 | Adian | LasseL, what raid? |
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| 21:19.23 | azreal | nvz: i just (re)read an excellent doc on time, check out Clock.gz in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO |
| 21:19.25 | nvz | azreal: yeah tell that to the Microsoft developers |
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| 21:19.28 | xsdg | azreal: just felt like saying that :oP |
| 21:19.42 | bob2 | LasseL: do you mean RAID or "promise haha 'RAID'" ? |
| 21:19.49 | greycat | Hrm.... how do I rip 5.1 channel audio from a DVD? "mplayer dvd://1 -vc dummy -vo null -aid 128 -ao pcm -aofile foo.wav" creates a stereo file. |
| 21:19.52 | LasseL | Adian, a promise MBFastTrack133 |
| 21:19.53 | xsdg | azreal: debian can deal with it both ways |
| 21:20.07 | azreal | nvz: windows doesnt do time correctly, it is a piece of shit |
| 21:20.07 | OwO | bob2 I presume "try ht" at the end of the dpkg database entry for "bts" is a typo ? |
| 21:20.08 | hanasaki | what entry needs to be in a pam.d file so that it works against shadow passwd files? |
| 21:20.15 | Justin_ | greycat: transcode |
| 21:20.16 | Adian | heh, LasseL, AFAIK, none of the Promise IDE controlers are true raid |
| 21:20.18 | serialkiller | what package has mysql src? |
| 21:20.24 | Adian | they are just extra controllers with software raid drivers |
| 21:20.27 | Justin_ | greycat: or oac copy |
| 21:20.32 | xsdg | serialkiller: apt-cache show mysql |
| 21:20.36 | LasseL | I'd wipe and use softraid if it wasn't because I have a large system installed that I can't afford to loose |
| 21:20.42 | Adian | you are best off just setting them as normal controllers and using linux software raid |
| 21:20.45 | Justin_ | greycat: or for mplayer the -dumpaudio or whatever it is |
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| 21:20.52 | bob2 | serialkiller: why do you want the mysql source? |
| 21:20.52 | Adian | hmm... |
| 21:20.53 | derobert | Adian: I've heard rumors that the higher-end ones are... The 6 channel types |
| 21:20.54 | Orhad | bob2 i was recommended against that |
| 21:20.54 | azreal | xsdg: what do you mean both ways? |
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| 21:21.01 | OwO | hyperthreading technology seems to be non-sequitor. :) |
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| 21:21.06 | Adian | interesting, derobert |
| 21:21.08 | bob2 | LasseL: instead, you're going to trust your system to some random binary module? |
| 21:21.11 | indigo | oki, well...to work i go |
| 21:21.12 | xsdg | azreal: with HWC as UTC or in local tz |
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| 21:21.16 | ratbiker | Anyone know of any bug in make-kpkg? |
| 21:21.30 | streuner | ratbiker: no, but BTS |
| 21:21.31 | xsdg | ratbiker: check the BTS |
| 21:21.32 | greycat | Justin_: -dumpaudio only writes the compressed stream, so I'd then have to decode it, which is a catch-22 :( |
| 21:21.32 | derobert | Adian: though, honestly, I'd still go with 3ware. |
| 21:21.36 | Adian | so LasseL, is the RAID bios currently set to RAID 0 or something? |
| 21:21.38 | LasseL | bob2, to me both seems random |
| 21:21.39 | azreal | xsdg: oh |
| 21:21.47 | Justin_ | greycat: you want the ac3 stream dont you? |
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| 21:21.57 | nvz | ratbiker: no, perhaps you could elaborate on "sort them out" |
| 21:22.02 | LasseL | Adian, it is set to stripe |
| 21:22.04 | derobert | ratbiker: Yes, the make-kpkg changelog documents a lot of them... |
| 21:22.16 | serialkiller | i do apt-cache show mysql and nothing. i am trying to install mysql modules from cspan |
| 21:22.27 | Justin_ | !tell serialkiller about search |
| 21:22.30 | Adian | right... that's rough. |
| 21:22.35 | Adian | 2.4.18 doesn't do it for you? |
| 21:22.36 | bob2 | LasseL: then you haven't looked into this very hard. |
| 21:22.41 | freyr | derobert: I have set up bridging on my laptop. interfaces eth1 usb0 . I can now ping both networks but the bridging doesnt seem to work. I cannot ping something on usb0 from a device on eth1 and vice versa. Any guesses what I might have done wrong? I really think I set this up right as I checked a bunch of howtos. PS . i did echo 1 > /pro..../ip_forward |
| 21:22.41 | derobert | serialkiller: mysql-server, maybe? |
| 21:22.47 | dobby_ | hello, there is somthing that i just dont understand. I have installed the three DRI packages from sourceforge. and did the thing with make -f .... but after that DRI is not working. But when I remove the packages i installed dri is working for this session. if i reboot it does not work anymore! |
| 21:22.50 | ratbiker | The modules are done compiling and being copied into tmp-image when it bombs out. |
| 21:22.53 | greycat | Justin_: I want to be able to listen to it, which means at some point I need it in uncompressed form |
| 21:22.57 | greycat | Justin_: my goal at the moment is to produce a 5.1 channel Ogg Vorbis file of it |
| 21:23.05 | LasseL | bob2, I had no trouble on gentoo with my hardware |
| 21:23.06 | Justin_ | greycat: then you want the ac3 stream |
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| 21:23.23 | bob2 | LasseL: hahahahaha |
| 21:23.25 | Segers_J | greycat: I seem to recall a program that will effectively dump anything that goes to dev/dsp to a file, I think it had 'real' in its name as it was made to get things out of real audio format. |
| 21:23.26 | nvz | ratbiker: sounds to me like you applied a bad patch or something |
| 21:23.31 | derobert | freyr: have you tried ifconfig WHATEVER up on everything? |
| 21:23.32 | bob2 | LasseL: of course, and it would be easy on Debian, too. |
| 21:23.40 | mag007 | how do I shrink my Windows xp partition without deleting it? |
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| 21:23.50 | greycat | Segers_J: vsound. Not what I want here. |
| 21:23.52 | freyr | derobert: ifconfig shows them all running |
| 21:23.52 | bob2 | LasseL: I'm just saying it's silly to claim that linux software raid is unstable, then go and use the random promise binary crap. |
| 21:23.53 | nvz | ratbiker: really couldnt say, as there is not even close to being enough available information to make any kind of deductions |
| 21:23.59 | ratbiker | the modules in the patch all compiled |
| 21:23.59 | mbware | salve a tutti |
| 21:24.02 | Adian | mag007: there are tools in debian, but they are limited |
| 21:24.09 | RichiH | suggest0r a jump0r and runn0r gam0r, damn0r j00z |
| 21:24.10 | Adian | you have to defrag from XP first, then resize |
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| 21:24.13 | derobert | freyr: did you remember to give your zaurus a 192.168.0.x ip? |
| 21:24.20 | Adian | and hope that no system files were at the end of the disk |
| 21:24.23 | freyr | derobert: yes 192.168.0.10 |
| 21:24.28 | RichiH | there has to be _some_ j&r game :) |
| 21:24.37 | freyr | derobert: bridge ip = 192.168.0.2 and gateway = 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:24.41 | Justin_ | wtf is a j&r game |
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| 21:24.50 | greycat | jump and run |
| 21:24.51 | Adian | Does anyone have experience with the current RPC patch for IPTABLES? |
| 21:24.52 | mag007 | Adian: are there tools in Windows XP that can do it? |
| 21:24.57 | nvz | Adian: I'd hope all the files are at the end of the disk myself, I'd even go as far as to rewrite defrag to do so |
| 21:25.01 | RichiH | Justin_: jump and run |
| 21:25.03 | LasseL | bob2, i don't care which version of raid i use, I want the version that doesn't require me to wipe all of my 140gb data |
| 21:25.07 | ratbiker | I used a version of the kernel that the patch supported, 2.4.20 |
| 21:25.18 | serialkiller | anyone know an apt-src for mysqlsource in need files like mysql.h |
| 21:25.31 | ludwig | serialkiller: install the dev package |
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| 21:25.42 | bob2 | LasseL: but at some point you said to yourself "I think this promise binary driver is a good idea". |
| 21:25.45 | ratbiker | 2.4.23 compile without the patch terminated with the same error |
| 21:25.48 | serialkiller | ludwig : couldnt find it |
| 21:26.01 | Justin_ | ratbiker: WHAT ERROR |
| 21:26.03 | ludwig | mysql-dev? |
| 21:26.08 | Justin_ | ratbiker: will you stop whining |
| 21:26.09 | nvz | seriously |
| 21:26.11 | ratbiker | depmod: Can't open /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.20/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing |
| 21:26.17 | bob2 | serialkiller: you don't need the mysql source. |
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| 21:26.27 | LasseL | bob2, when I bought the system everything suggested that it was good, so yes |
| 21:26.28 | bob2 | serialkiller: why didn't you say "where do I find the mysql headers?" to begin with? |
| 21:26.34 | bob2 | serialkiller: libmysqlclient10-dev |
| 21:26.40 | Justin_ | bob2: but he wants to install things from "cspan" |
| 21:26.42 | bob2 | LasseL: "everything"? |
| 21:26.46 | LasseL | bob2, i don't see how that makes me an idiot though |
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| 21:26.51 | nvz | ratbiker: that is an EXTREMELY _SPECIFIC_ error, have you investigated at all? |
| 21:26.52 | serialkiller | bob2 : didnt know thats what i was looking for.. |
| 21:26.52 | ratbiker | I've been doing this for 8 hours I'll whine if I fell like it |
| 21:26.53 | bob2 | LasseL: I didn't say you were an idiot. |
| 21:27.04 | bob2 | ratbiker: are you root? |
| 21:27.09 | bob2 | ratbiker: and stop whinging. |
| 21:27.11 | LasseL | bob2, you didn't use the word, no |
| 21:27.26 | Adian | mag007: not that I know of. Do you really thing M$ wants to make it easy to install Linux/*BSD? |
| 21:27.36 | derobert | freyr: weird... |
| 21:27.39 | serialkiller | bob2 : i installed those before i came here and asked. i still do a locate and no file found |
| 21:27.44 | Adian | mag007: you could try using partition magic |
| 21:27.46 | ratbiker | I tried creating the file it wanted to open but it got erased by make-pkg clean |
| 21:27.46 | bob2 | serialkiller: duh. |
| 21:27.51 | greycat | Adian: when did microsoft have any input into the linux/bsd installation process |
| 21:27.53 | bob2 | serialkiller: locate runs once a day. |
| 21:27.54 | freyr | derobert: ya... Any conf you want to see? Any channels that might be able to help me more? |
| 21:27.58 | ratbiker | su |
| 21:28.03 | bob2 | ratbiker: stop being a moron. are you root? |
| 21:28.12 | ludwig | serialkiller: hmm..well, there's libmysqlclient-dev but that's for the client |
| 21:28.13 | Adian | nvz: why at the end? |
| 21:28.14 | serialkiller | really , even after you do updatedb? |
| 21:28.18 | LasseL | so bottom line is that nobody has a mirror available of the latest and greatest debian netinst cd |
| 21:28.19 | Adian | greycat: huh? |
| 21:28.21 | nvz | Adian: so it all gets hosed |
| 21:28.23 | derobert | freyr: sure, paste the bridge config in #flood |
| 21:28.32 | ratbiker | I was su |
| 21:28.32 | bob2 | serialkiller: no. blahblah, dpkg -L "libmysqlclient10-dev" |
| 21:28.38 | Adian | nvz: heh |
| 21:28.39 | bob2 | ratbiker: you were not "su". |
| 21:28.44 | bob2 | ratbiker: that doesn't mean anything. |
| 21:28.44 | dobby_ | Hey guys is it right that if i want to install DRI support from sourceforge i have to disable dri in my kernel? |
| 21:28.51 | bob2 | ratbiker: what exactlyare you doing? |
| 21:28.56 | bob2 | LasseL: of course they do. |
| 21:28.58 | mag007 | Adian: partition magic costs $$$. I can't seem to find any free tools. And I really don't want to lose this partition. |
| 21:29.05 | Adian | LasseL, did you try jigdo? |
| 21:29.09 | sandman | mag007: Get a job and pay for it. |
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| 21:29.17 | streuner | bob2: he use knoppix... |
| 21:29.18 | beauchesne | Hey, guys |
| 21:29.19 | ratbiker | I typed su return root password in console |
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| 21:29.24 | Adian | mag007, give me a sec, I'll point you to the free tools |
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| 21:29.25 | bob2 | streuner: who? |
| 21:29.31 | Adian | mag007, but once again, they are limited... |
| 21:29.32 | mag007 | sandman: thanks |
| 21:29.33 | bob2 | ratbiker: blahblahblah. what eXACTLY have you done? |
| 21:29.34 | streuner | bob2: ratbiker |
| 21:29.37 | azreal | mag007: what about parted? |
| 21:29.39 | beauchesne | Could anyone give me a link that shows how to set up anti-aliased fonts in woody? |
| 21:29.43 | bob2 | ratbiker: you're using knoppix? |
| 21:29.51 | bob2 | LasseL: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
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| 21:30.02 | freyr | derobert: gateway of zaurus should be 192.168.0.1 not 192.168.0.240 right? |
| 21:30.08 | nvz | his rootfs is prolly RO.. heh |
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| 21:30.18 | derobert | freyr: yes |
| 21:30.25 | ratbiker | copied and unpacked 2.4.20 source into /usr/local/src as superuser |
| 21:30.25 | Adian | mag007: have you looked at the ntfstools package in debian? |
| 21:30.31 | freyr | derobert: ok that is so |
| 21:30.35 | Adian | mag007: at least, that is what it is called in unstable |
| 21:30.39 | ratbiker | ran make menuconfig |
| 21:30.41 | bob2 | ratbiker: /j #knoppix |
| 21:30.42 | derobert | freyr: thought you said the bridge was 0.2, not 0.240? |
| 21:30.45 | freyr | derobert: any way to get debugging info? |
| 21:30.48 | freyr | derobert: my mistake |
| 21:30.57 | ratbiker | ran make-kpkg clean |
| 21:30.58 | derobert | freyr: dmesg might have some, if any |
| 21:30.59 | bob2 | ratbiker: /j #knoppix |
| 21:31.02 | freyr | derobert: it was 0.2 originally |
| 21:31.18 | nvz | ratbiker: little secret between you and me... make-kpkg should be the only command you run.. it patches, configures, the whole 9.. you should read the manpage.. |
| 21:31.27 | robink | dpkg says you can't use the sarge isos to install sarge; is this true? |
| 21:31.32 | dpkg | robink: that's too long |
| 21:31.32 | nvz | ratbiker: see option --config=menuconfig |
| 21:31.33 | mrwoody | does anyone know here why convert input -scale 120x120 output always keep the aspect ratio unchanged? how to force it to change? |
| 21:31.34 | derobert | freyr: and the other interfaces (eth1, usb0) are up, but without ips? |
| 21:31.38 | OwO | bob2 - Yuck ! QUOTE This can't be fixed until kde migrates to Sarge from SID UNQUOTE Yeeeuck ! |
| 21:31.39 | bob2 | robink: no. where does it say that? |
| 21:31.39 | ratbiker | ran make-kpkg with patch flag |
| 21:31.46 | streuner | nvz: that wouldn't help, if he using knoppix + |
| 21:31.47 | bob2 | OwO: yup |
| 21:31.47 | beauchesne | Could anyone give me a link that shows how to set up anti-aliased fonts in woody? |
| 21:31.50 | bob2 | ratbiker: /j #knoppix |
| 21:31.52 | ratbiker | it crapped out at end |
| 21:31.55 | bob2 | beauchesne: you can't. |
| 21:31.57 | bob2 | ratbiker: /j #knoppix |
| 21:32.06 | beauchesne | bob2: Why not? |
| 21:32.11 | nvz | streuner: I know I am no longer interested in fixing anything just providing a useful tip |
| 21:32.14 | xsdg | ~tell bob2 about repeat |
| 21:32.20 | bob2 | beauchesne: because nothng supports it in woody? |
| 21:32.23 | RichiH | heh |
| 21:32.25 | ludwig | bob2: congrats! you were the top irc'er on this channel |
| 21:32.37 | beauchesne | bob2: So I'm stuck with these blocky fonts until sarge is released? |
| 21:32.42 | bob2 | ludwig: hah. |
| 21:32.46 | bob2 | beauchesne: no. |
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| 21:32.58 | beauchesne | I'm confused. |
| 21:33.02 | xel | Hey bob2. |
| 21:33.03 | ludwig | bob2: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian2003.html |
| 21:33.04 | cis | Hi. I have problem. I have ATI Radeon 9600 graphic card. I can't configure my XServer (no screens found) |
| 21:33.07 | bob2 | beauchesne: you can use sarge right now, ifyou fill out a form and send me $50 to join the beta program |
| 21:33.07 | nvz | yeah, well thats only because I've been gone for like a week or so, and because it goes by lines and not words, and bob2 likes to repeat.. heh |
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| 21:33.14 | freyr | derobert: yes... no ips on them |
| 21:33.17 | cis | where is problem |
| 21:33.19 | bob2 | ludwig: yeah. |
| 21:33.19 | LasseL | bob2, thanks |
| 21:33.22 | xel | cis: Installed all X packages? |
| 21:33.25 | derobert | freyr: weird, it should work... |
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| 21:33.37 | cis | yes |
| 21:33.37 | bob2 | beauchesne: or get programs for woody that use it. or just use better fotns. |
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| 21:33.42 | freyr | derobert: #flood |
| 21:33.42 | beauchesne | bob2: :P I love woody, everything about it, I just want clean fonts :( |
| 21:33.43 | bob2 | beauchesne: decent fonts look decent. |
| 21:33.50 | streuner | !tell bucky about away |
| 21:33.51 | freyr | derobert: thats tail /var/log/messages |
| 21:33.52 | cis | I have Debian Linux |
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| 21:33.56 | bob2 | idiot. |
| 21:34.03 | bob2 | public away, then leaving. that's stupid. |
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| 21:34.15 | bob2 | beauchesne: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 21:34.20 | derobert | freyr: looks normal... |
| 21:34.22 | beauchesne | bob2: It's o nly really a problem in firebird. How do I get firebird to use them? |
| 21:34.22 | steve123 | hello, i've crashed my system while i whas upgrading to the sarge, but that's not my real problem. In fact i'd like to be able to re-initialize the master boot record to access an old windows 2000 partition. I tried the famous "fdisk /mbr" command line but now i get an error message that saying the system is missing. I think it's a bootstrap problem or something like that but can you help me ? |
| 21:34.32 | bob2 | beauchesne: firebird can't, in woody. |
| 21:34.40 | beauchesne | bob2: darn. Ok thanks. |
| 21:34.45 | strider_ | some grub problems, got two disks, one linux one windoze, as soon as i plug in the windoze disk as slave to the linux disk, windows boots :( and grub is ignored |
| 21:34.46 | mrwoody | does anyone know here why convert input -scale 120x120 output always keep the aspect ratio unchanged? how to force it to change? |
| 21:34.48 | LoRez | steve123: did you try the /mbr from dos? |
| 21:34.53 | derobert | freyr: check with tcpdump to see if the bridge is (a) receiving packets and (b) forwarding them back out |
| 21:34.58 | strider_ | why is grub ignored |
| 21:34.59 | Misirlou | !tell cis about setup X |
| 21:35.03 | bob2 | beauchesne: it needs to have XFT support, which it doesn't. you might be able to find a tarball that does, somewhere... |
| 21:35.22 | beauchesne | bob2: Thanks, maybe I'll take a look. Much appreciated |
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| 21:35.42 | steve123 | lorez : yes i did. But now i get the error message "system is missing" or something like that (in french) |
| 21:35.44 | xel | cis: There packages are xserver-xfree86 xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi xutils. Please rm /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 && rm /etc/X11/XF86Config and than run the command xf86config as root. |
| 21:35.47 | derobert | strider_: your BIOS probably decided to boot that disk first. Check your BIOS settings |
| 21:35.49 | Visual_Basic | humm delphi.. there is only place for one programming language here |
| 21:36.00 | strider_ | derobert: ok |
| 21:36.08 | LoRez | steve123: sounds like the drive doesn't have a bootable system on it anymore |
| 21:36.19 | delphi | Visual_Basic: lol |
| 21:36.19 | cis | I try config it in xf86configure |
| 21:36.21 | bob2 | Visual_Basic: do you have anything Debian-related to talk about? |
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| 21:36.24 | xel | cis: reconfigure your X server and than try with 'startix' again. |
| 21:36.28 | xel | cis: do as I said. |
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| 21:36.35 | OwO | bob2 - You have a better perspective on this than I obviously do. How long ***might*** it be before such a migration of kde from SID to Sarge takes place ? |
| 21:36.35 | Visual_Basic | bob2, ... I use debian yes |
| 21:36.43 | xel | cis: if the config will be correct. All things will work. |
| 21:36.52 | bob2 | OwO: > one week |
| 21:37.00 | OwO | Ah ! Excellent |
| 21:37.01 | azreal | all my error messages are in ebonics |
| 21:37.02 | bob2 | OwO: use kde from sid if you really card. |
| 21:37.04 | bob2 | care. |
| 21:37.11 | greycat | azreal: yo, dat's wacked |
| 21:37.18 | xel | Hey greycat. |
| 21:37.27 | bob2 | azreal: export LOCALE=en_US.yokel |
| 21:37.30 | azreal | "there sum jive ass honkey sheeit goin on in /var/log" |
| 21:37.35 | steve123 | lorez : not the primary disk but i've got another a second disk that has a win2000 bootable partition. Don't you know how to modify the mbr to point to this partition ? |
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| 21:37.58 | LoRez | steve123: you don't want the dos mbr on your primary disk. |
| 21:38.02 | OwO | bob2 - Would I use dselect instead of tasksel to do that ? |
| 21:38.20 | bob2 | OwO: I wouldn't use dselect at all, personally. |
| 21:38.29 | steve123 | lorez : i don't understand ? |
| 21:38.32 | bob2 | OwO: add a line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:38.43 | bob2 | OwO: apt-get update, then install kde. then remove that line, apt-get update again |
| 21:38.45 | OwO | Ahah ! Excellent ! |
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| 21:38.55 | xel | OwO: use apt-get install pkg *g*. OwO, anyway dselect is better than tasksel. |
| 21:39.07 | OwO | outstanding |
| 21:39.19 | Rza`` | what program should i use to burn an iso image onto cd? |
| 21:39.35 | *** part/#debian stibs (~stibs@pD955EF79.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:39.36 | Sebulba02 | gcombust, or any number of others |
| 21:39.37 | greycat | Rza``: cdrecord |
| 21:39.39 | derobert | Rza``: cdrecord |
| 21:39.52 | cis | ...but there isn't my card in xf96configure's graphic cards list |
| 21:39.54 | Misirlou | Rza``: cdrecord |
| 21:40.05 | Misirlou | cis: Pick the closest one. |
| 21:40.08 | Rza`` | k |
| 21:40.09 | xel | Rza``: cdrecord. Btw, apt-cache search can help you. |
| 21:40.11 | Rza`` | what programs |
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| 21:40.18 | Rza`` | i'm on slack |
| 21:40.29 | derobert | ~lart Rza`` |
| 21:40.29 | Rza`` | wanna burn debian iso onto cd ;) |
| 21:40.30 | greycat | Rza``: then go away |
| 21:40.33 | streuner | haha |
| 21:40.33 | djw | I've forgotten the nvidia driver pain |
| 21:40.39 | freyr | 16:34:47.971735 arp who-has manager tell 192.168.0.10 |
| 21:40.40 | xel | Rza``: install slapt-get *g* |
| 21:40.42 | Misirlou | greycat: No, he's converting! |
| 21:40.43 | Rza`` | slack's package system is far too antiquated |
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| 21:40.58 | freyr | derobert: 16:34:47.971735 arp who-has manager tell 192.168.0.10. When I type ping 192.168.0.1 on the zaurus. |
| 21:41.05 | xel | Rza``: check on freshmeat.net. |
| 21:41.15 | xel | Rza``: anyway, install Debian :) |
| 21:41.17 | derobert | Rza``: you probably have a cdrecord on slack |
| 21:41.25 | greycat | Rza``: any stupid GUI front-end you use will just call on cdrecord |
| 21:41.28 | paulswm | what a dipshit. Ive been trying to help some guy on debian-user understand why his ext3 is mounting as ext2, now the dimwit tells me that he isn't even using debian or a deb kernel, he's using a knoppix distro. Sorry about this, just need to let off steam |
| 21:41.35 | derobert | freyr: which iface do you see that on |
| 21:41.51 | strider_ | i have come across two grub howtos, one that uses unhide/hide command, and one that uses map command. Which one shall i use for my windoze xp/linux setup ? |
| 21:41.52 | Rza`` | greycat |
| 21:42.04 | Rza`` | what's a good frontend to cdrecord |
| 21:42.10 | Misirlou | paulswm: Buy a punching bag! |
| 21:42.11 | greycat | Rza``: your fucking keyboard |
| 21:42.11 | Rza`` | reading the man for it now - looks like a pain in the ass |
| 21:42.22 | greycat | Rza``: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 myfile.iso |
| 21:42.31 | Misirlou | (Season to flavor.) |
| 21:42.33 | freyr | derobert: on usb0 of my laptop... manager = 192.168.0.1 btw |
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| 21:42.37 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/niceice.jpg |
| 21:42.48 | derobert | freyr: does it go to eth1, or just vanish? |
| 21:42.48 | Rza`` | how i mount cd writer |
| 21:42.50 | freyr | derobert: shouldnt bridging be telling my zaurus what the MAC of 192.168.0.1 is? |
| 21:42.51 | paulswm | Misirlou: he would do as one, if I could get hold of him :) |
| 21:42.57 | deadcat | Rza``: gcombust/gtoaster/eroaster |
| 21:43.00 | Misirlou | Rza``: uhh |
| 21:43.02 | Rza`` | what's device name |
| 21:43.08 | derobert | freyr: the ARP request should go back out eth1, probably... |
| 21:43.10 | greycat | Rza``: dmesg | grep CD |
| 21:43.17 | efb | hi, i have a ntfs partition on my computer, and i have the following options in fstab "ro,user,noauto". when i mount it as a user, the directory where it is mounted receive 500 permission, so the user cant access it. What is the correct value for the fstab options? |
| 21:43.22 | freyr | derobert: theres a lot of stuff on eth1 its really hard to tell |
| 21:43.22 | derobert | Rza``: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 21:43.29 | strider_ | grub gurus are welcome to share :) |
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| 21:44.03 | derobert | freyr: use filters to get rid of the irrelevant stuff.... |
| 21:44.08 | IVS | efb: man fstab, man mount, look for umask |
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| 21:44.38 | paulswm | Misirlou: and I help some newbie on here fix his fstab, and he just quits without even a thank you. But that prolly happens all the time to folks like bob2, greycat, et.al. |
| 21:45.16 | Misirlou | paulswm: There's a space between et. and al. ;) |
| 21:45.25 | strider_ | what does the hide/unhide really do ? |
| 21:45.29 | greycat | Misirlou: and no period after "et" which is a whole word |
| 21:45.33 | strider_ | and what is the map command for |
| 21:45.35 | Misirlou | gah crap |
| 21:45.39 | Misirlou | I always forget that |
| 21:45.39 | bob2 | paulswm: wait til they flame you for helping. |
| 21:45.41 | paulswm | Misirlou: don't *you* start ;) |
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| 21:45.45 | strider_ | and is it arbitrary which technique i use ? |
| 21:45.55 | Misirlou | greycat: Thanks for keeping me in check. :) |
| 21:45.59 | paulswm | bob2: those bastards :> |
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| 21:46.15 | Web52|Doochy | How do i set space limits on dirs? |
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| 21:46.21 | deadcat | ppl use the aqua/ice theme for their workspace is because they CANT afford a real MAC. hahahahah lame |
| 21:46.25 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: you can't. |
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| 21:46.35 | Web52|Doochy | bob2: ? why not |
| 21:46.42 | freyr | derobert: seems to be on eth1 also |
| 21:47.00 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: huh? |
| 21:47.02 | freyr | derobert: same msg |
| 21:47.05 | derobert | freyr: does it get back as 192.168.0.1 is at MAC response? |
| 21:47.07 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: what do you mean why not? |
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| 21:47.13 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: because nobody has implemented it. |
| 21:47.24 | freyr | derobert: no |
| 21:47.24 | Web52|Doochy | bob2: There have to be some way root can set space limit on users home dir |
| 21:47.37 | streuner | jetscreamer: <insert here> |
| 21:47.38 | efb | IVS i've added umask=222, and now the permissions of the mount point becomes 441 |
| 21:47.42 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: nope. |
| 21:47.53 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: unless /home is a seperate partition and you use quotas. |
| 21:48.01 | freyr | derobert: i dont see how to filter that... should that come up in -i eth1 arp also? |
| 21:48.04 | derobert | deadcat: As long as we're being pedantic, Mac = Macintosh; MAC is an ethernet term |
| 21:48.05 | jetscreamer | sup streuner |
| 21:48.07 | LoRez | Web52|Doochy: they're called quotas, but they aren't contained by directories but by partition |
| 21:48.09 | paulswm | Web52|Doochy: you can set quotas on users |
| 21:48.18 | cassiopea | Is the addition of amexplorer to debian somewhere on the todo-list? |
| 21:48.21 | derobert | freyr: that would be the problem, I suppose .... |
| 21:48.24 | caphuso | by filesystem, not by partition |
| 21:48.25 | Web52|Doochy | DA;M |
| 21:48.26 | Web52|Doochy | k |
| 21:48.28 | deadcat | derobert: its all good. (= |
| 21:48.28 | Web52|Doochy | thanks |
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| 21:48.35 | bob2 | caphuso: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 21:48.43 | streuner | jetscreamer: getting a headache from the prices of the ink... ;-) |
| 21:48.51 | LoRez | caphuso: yeah, same thing. unless you have multiple filesystems per partition ;) |
| 21:48.56 | Misirlou | derobert: He might have capitalized it for emphatic purposes. :) |
| 21:48.58 | jetscreamer | naw, linux printing |
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| 21:49.03 | bob2 | cassiopea: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 21:49.04 | Rza`` | Orhad it's icewm stable w/ rox |
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| 21:49.17 | streuner | jetscreamer: ink is ink :-) |
| 21:49.17 | Rza`` | umicon icons |
| 21:49.22 | xsdg | bob2: you forgot to tell web52 he could write up a daemon to do the checking periodically :o) |
| 21:49.23 | jetscreamer | icewm rox |
| 21:49.33 | Rza`` | ya *box n ice |
| 21:49.39 | Misirlou | jetscreamer: I haven't even tried printing yet. :/ |
| 21:49.46 | caphuso | bob2: am i supposed to look for something specific there? |
| 21:49.52 | Rza`` | ice is light n featureful - i luv it |
| 21:50.01 | Rza`` | only prob is its ugly w/ most themes |
| 21:50.01 | Rza`` | icequa and icecrack are only acceptable |
| 21:50.04 | Misirlou | Rza``: i spek englizh |
| 21:50.13 | jetscreamer | yamm rox |
| 21:50.23 | chris | Rza: yup, but for my own taste it looks a bit too much like windows |
| 21:50.30 | bob2 | caphuso: bah? |
| 21:50.31 | derobert | freyr: so, for some reason, 192.168.0.1 doesn't respond to the zaurus's arp probes? |
| 21:50.32 | jetscreamer | fluxbox rox |
| 21:50.35 | bob2 | weasel: haha |
| 21:50.39 | bob2 | gah |
| 21:50.39 | Rza`` | that's true |
| 21:50.40 | Rza`` | i like ob3 |
| 21:50.45 | streuner | jetscreamer: try openbox |
| 21:50.46 | Rza`` | as far as boxes go |
| 21:50.46 | chris | but then, I still love the original Fvwm2 with the old style from Suse 4.3 times |
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| 21:50.47 | jetscreamer | my printer, on the other hand, SUCKS |
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| 21:50.58 | Rza`` | flux devel |
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| 21:51.02 | Rza`` | is a piece of shit |
| 21:51.05 | jetscreamer | actually it's a good printer |
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| 21:51.17 | Rza`` | strays too far from the concept of *box |
| 21:51.20 | hanasaki | anyone using exim4 from sarge ok? i am having pam auth problems |
| 21:51.23 | derobert | jetscreamer: not after all that bashing you've given it |
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| 21:51.28 | Rza`` | but right now, ice's my fav |
| 21:51.32 | Rza`` | followed by ob3 |
| 21:51.41 | chris | fluxbox has really some cool ideas, but I miss certain features like easy config of key bindings an so |
| 21:51.50 | Doochy | Hi i got a question about proftpd.. When a user logins its possible for them to go back to home dirs and so on uknow .. how to disable that in the proftpd config? |
| 21:51.53 | jetscreamer | i'm just missing one little config'ing thing |
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| 21:51.56 | Rza`` | anyway |
| 21:52.02 | deadcat | Rza``L ya they try to make it too theme-able.. like round corner. that aint no box. (= |
| 21:52.03 | Rza`` | i can't wait to switch over to debian |
| 21:52.08 | derobert | Doochy: look at the chroot option |
| 21:52.24 | bob2 | Doochy: ftp is inherently insecure. |
| 21:52.24 | efb | IVS umask=0222 solved it. thanks :) |
| 21:52.24 | xel | Doochy: man chroot. |
| 21:52.28 | Misirlou | ~start a window manager war |
| 21:52.30 | | wmaker sucks! |
| 21:52.32 | Doochy | bob2: ? |
| 21:52.32 | paulswm | derf: the printer's OK but jetscreamer's forehead has this funny backwards printer logo imprint |
| 21:52.34 | IVS | efb: np |
| 21:52.41 | Doochy | derobert: in the config ore? |
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| 21:52.42 | Rza``_ | need a clean distro w/ a modern package system |
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| 21:52.43 | chris | Dochy: there is a config setting in the proftpd.conf file I think it reads permit back cd or something lika that |
| 21:52.43 | paulswm | derobert : the printer's OK but jetscreamer's forehead has this funny backwards printer logo imprint |
| 21:52.43 | xel | Doochy: proftpd is unsecure. |
| 21:52.47 | derobert | apt, we all agree on that... |
| 21:52.49 | | derobert: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:52.53 | paulswm | crap, sorry |
| 21:52.53 | Rza``_ | slapt-get is such a pale reflection of the app is tries to emulate |
| 21:53.02 | Zefab_172 | Hi, in my /var/log directory, i only have 4 weeks backup for most of thing (mail.log.[1-4].gz). how can i do to have more than that (eg 99) ? |
| 21:53.04 | derobert | apt, start a window manager war (and do a better job of it) |
| 21:53.06 | | derobert: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:53.14 | derobert | :-( |
| 21:53.14 | Rza``_ | http://drunkboston.com/openbox.jpg |
| 21:53.16 | LoRez | Zefab_172: man logrotate |
| 21:53.18 | bosman | http://svn.debian.org/ is down? |
| 21:53.28 | derobert | Doochy: yeah, it's in the proftpd config |
| 21:53.28 | Misirlou | ~start a window manager war |
| 21:53.30 | | olwm bites! |
| 21:53.30 | Rza``_ | http://drunkboston.com/clean.jpg |
| 21:53.30 | Rza``_ | http://drunkboston.com/cooltop.jpg |
| 21:53.30 | Rza``_ | http://drunkboston.com/niceice.jpg |
| 21:53.34 | chris | xel: really, proftpd is unsecure - shit I always thought it to be good and secure |
| 21:53.35 | Misirlou | derobert: He sucks. :( |
| 21:53.36 | azreal | what do people not like about wmaker? |
| 21:53.41 | chris | whats wrong with proftpd |
| 21:53.51 | deadcat | Rza`` how bad is slap-get? my friend was saying "well slackware has slap-get!" |
| 21:53.55 | OwO | vsftpd ? :/ |
| 21:54.00 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: in my logrotate.conf, i already have rotate 40, but doesn't seem to change anything |
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| 21:54.13 | Rza``_ | slapt-get |
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| 21:54.15 | xel | Rza``: install Debian. |
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| 21:54.34 | Rza``_ | is a joke |
| 21:54.34 | Rza``_ | always fails to retrieve right deps |
| 21:54.48 | deadcat | Rza`` cool. (= hahahahah |
| 21:54.48 | Rza``_ | plus who the fuck wants slack packs |
| 21:54.49 | xel | chris: yes, it's unsecure. I don't suggest it to you. I use it only for local applications, but the port is behind a firewall. |
| 21:54.53 | Rza``_ | when .deb offers hugest selection |
| 21:55.21 | Rza``_ | does apt-get --install <name> |
| 21:55.21 | Rza``_ | retrieve the app + get all deps ? |
| 21:55.24 | LoRez | Zefab_172: those are overridden by stuff in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 21:55.41 | paulswm | Rza``: sarge has 12777 packages at the moment |
| 21:55.42 | xel | Rza``_: just apt-get install pkg |
| 21:55.42 | deadcat | Rza`` apt-get install <prog> |
| 21:55.43 | jetscreamer | rza`` not always but usually |
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| 21:56.00 | xel | Rza``: it will download all dependences alone. |
| 21:56.06 | derobert | paulswm: has it grown that much, or did you count contrib + non-free? |
| 21:56.06 | Rza``_ | hehe |
| 21:56.06 | Rza``_ | i'm excited |
| 21:56.13 | jaimos_ | Rza``_: 95% of the time, but if you have unoffical sources or sometimes a buggy package in testing/unstable it won't be able to figure it out |
| 21:56.13 | Rza``_ | burnin image onto cd now |
| 21:56.14 | chris | hm, what about that vsftpd - I think RedHat started shipping it just recently with their 8th or 9th? |
| 21:56.24 | deadcat | jetscreamer: not always because your sources.list has some weird lines. |
| 21:56.24 | Rza``_ | i only got the 1st iso |
| 21:56.26 | freyr | derobert: thanks for the help... is that the last of your wisdom ? :) |
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| 21:56.31 | LoRez | Zefab_172: also, some things use savelog instead in their own crontabs |
| 21:56.38 | Rza``_ | should i just apt-get upgrade |
| 21:56.42 | paulswm | derobert: apt-cache search . wc -l, including contrib and non-free, yes |
| 21:56.43 | Rza``_ | then retrieve specific apps i want |
| 21:56.45 | xel | Rza``: is enough. |
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| 21:56.54 | jetscreamer | deadcat, that's only the big packages like gnome and x |
| 21:56.54 | jaimos_ | Rza``_: what are you wanting to do, and if you have a nice inet connenction the first iso is all you should need. |
| 21:56.54 | xel | Rza``: just install it and than edit your sources.list. |
| 21:56.55 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: there was nothing in logrotate.d, so i add an entry for mail.log, but still doesn't change anything |
| 21:56.57 | paulswm | derobert: apt-cache search . | wc -l i mean |
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| 21:57.07 | cassiopea | bob2: amexplorer isn't anywhere in the listings three, can I, like, post a request or summing? |
| 21:57.14 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: do you think postfix could use savelog ? |
| 21:57.14 | Rza``_ | k |
| 21:57.22 | derobert | freyr: yeah, I'm honestly not sure why it'd be doing that... It really should work... Other than clearing arp caches, and double checking the config, I'm not sure what else to try. |
| 21:57.23 | xel | Rza``: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Than u will can use apt-get install to install the software you need. |
| 21:57.23 | Rza``_ | what should i add to my source list? |
| 21:57.23 | Rza``_ | to get best selection |
| 21:57.25 | LoRez | Zefab_172: dpkg -L postfix |
| 21:57.39 | cis | where can I download drivers to Radeon 9600 (I can't find it in www.ati.com) |
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| 21:57.49 | Rza``_ | k xel should i use default sources? |
| 21:57.51 | bob2 | cassiopea: yes. |
| 21:57.53 | xel | Rza``_: Try with apt-get install netselect. |
| 21:57.53 | streuner | cis: look harder :-) |
| 21:57.56 | bob2 | cassiopea: file a RFP bug |
| 21:58.00 | jetscreamer | alias a='apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get -f install && shutdown -r now' |
| 21:58.08 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 21:58.14 | cis | ok tenks ;) |
| 21:58.14 | MIXX941 | I'm downloading debian, and I'm wondering which ISOs I need |
| 21:58.19 | xel | Rza``_: than run netselect-apt stable. It will create the faster sources.list. |
| 21:58.23 | jetscreamer | MIXX941, cd#1 |
| 21:58.31 | paulswm | jetscreamer: lol |
| 21:58.31 | Rza``_ | MIXX941 1st one ;) |
| 21:58.32 | jetscreamer | MIXX941, type bf24 at boot prompt |
| 21:58.39 | jetscreamer | MIXX941, get the boot floppies |
| 21:58.41 | cis | this f* text browser ;) |
| 21:58.50 | LoRez | Zefab_172: but mail.log isn't directly handled by postfix. syslog is what writes it |
| 21:58.51 | streuner | cis: hold on. |
| 21:59.06 | xel | Rza``_: just try to install it, than I'm here if you need something. |
| 21:59.07 | Rza``_ | heh |
| 21:59.07 | Rza``_ | i'm gonna miss slack a bit |
| 21:59.11 | jaimos_ | Rza``_: it depends on what your wanting to do, I suggest just using woody (stable) until you get use to debian, but if you want to changing stable to testing or unstable will give you more and more current selections, though things are known to break from time to time. |
| 21:59.13 | Rza``_ | alright |
| 21:59.26 | xel | Rza``_: Debian is better. Belive me. |
| 21:59.30 | chris | Hey, does anybody know if there is something like Itunes from MAC for Linux??? |
| 21:59.36 | MIXX941 | jetscreamer: Well I'm just downloading to try it, to see if I like it. I just want to download the full install in one ISO. Will #1 do a basic install? |
| 21:59.40 | paulswm | Rza``: you prolly won't miss it for long |
| 21:59.40 | Rza``_ | xel i know |
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| 21:59.44 | jetscreamer | cd#1 then |
| 21:59.45 | Rza``_ | i was gonna switch to either debian or archlinux |
| 21:59.46 | xel | paulswm: eheh |
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| 21:59.50 | jetscreamer | all you need |
| 21:59.57 | Rza``_ | both of both i polished distros, w/ good package systems + wide selection |
| 21:59.58 | azreal | chris: what is itunes? |
| 22:00.02 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: so it should be logrotate which should write le .gz files |
| 22:00.03 | jetscreamer | type bf24 at boot prompt MIXX941 |
| 22:00.10 | RelDrgn | http://img.4chan.net/c/src/1072861900232.jpg |
| 22:00.10 | Rza``_ | deb's got more packages, and way better irc support |
| 22:00.15 | LoRez | Zefab_172: I didn't say that. |
| 22:00.26 | jaimos_ | chris: what is Itunes? |
| 22:00.27 | RelDrgn | wrong window ;) |
| 22:00.27 | Rza``_ | anyway |
| 22:00.27 | Rza``_ | thx guys |
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| 22:00.37 | Rza``_ | i'll be back soon |
| 22:00.37 | Rza``_ | peace |
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| 22:00.49 | xel | LoRez: eheh |
| 22:00.53 | chris | azreal: its a mixture of some multimedia player and internet radio supporter, - I could use some program to listen to internet radio on my linux system |
| 22:01.02 | deadcat | !+enter |
| 22:01.02 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 22:01.11 | jetscreamer | sounds lime wmp |
| 22:01.13 | strider_ | i need help with grub, ie managed to set up boot menu and all. But when i choose windows xp, LILO starts and the linux drive is booted, what am i doing wrong ? |
| 22:01.15 | LoRez | deadcat: little late now. he's not here any longer |
| 22:01.16 | xel | chris: try with apt-cache search keyword. |
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| 22:01.29 | streuner | cis: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=12&submit.y=5&submit=GO%21 |
| 22:01.29 | deadcat | LoRez: that bastard!!! (= |
| 22:01.39 | jetscreamer | strider your hd seems to have an mbr from linux |
| 22:01.40 | mundane | chris: If you strickly want radio, XMMS works with shoutcast stations. |
| 22:01.58 | strider_ | pls i read all the howtos and flipped back and forth i need a kick in the right direction |
| 22:02.04 | chris | mundane: sound good - what do I need to get it do work |
| 22:02.14 | jetscreamer | strider_, *maybe* a dos boot disk and fdisk /mbr would fix it |
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| 22:02.23 | OwO | How disasterous would it be if I performed an apt-get install somepackagename and then ABORTED the download before the end ? |
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| 22:02.25 | xel | chris: apt-get install xmms :-) |
| 22:02.25 | manyoso | what are the benefits of using the debian sources for the 2.6 kernel image... as opposed to a vanilla kernel? |
| 22:02.32 | jetscreamer | deoending on the hd you have xp on |
| 22:02.34 | azreal | chris: well, there is xmms, theres probably a plugin for it to do internet radio |
| 22:02.34 | LoRez | OwO: not |
| 22:02.37 | jetscreamer | depending |
| 22:02.38 | xel | OwO: not. |
| 22:02.43 | mundane | chris: I don't believe you need anything past the default xmms package. Go to some site like www.shoutcast.com and just throw the URL into XMMS. |
| 22:02.44 | strider_ | jetscreamer: i never installed LILO in the MBR(chose the other option) |
| 22:02.45 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: what am i looking for in dpkg -L postfix ? |
| 22:02.50 | xel | OwO: it saves the pkg in a directory called 'partial'. |
| 22:02.53 | Segers_J | OwO: I've never had a problem with it. |
| 22:03.00 | chris | xel: Ok, ok ;-)) I do of course have xmms on my box - but do I need to configure som,ething? |
| 22:03.00 | emmajane | hey everyone :) HNY |
| 22:03.02 | xel | OwO: the pkg will be finished when u will continue with the download. |
| 22:03.06 | LoRez | Zefab_172: a crontab that doesn't exist. look at how syslog rotates its logs |
| 22:03.11 | xel | chris: no :) |
| 22:03.15 | deadcat | check this out.. dont know if it really work or not : http://deadcat.katzeye.com/tmp/ghettoghost4linux.txt : does this mean both machines have to have same hardware? |
| 22:03.33 | chris | mundane: THANKS a lot |
| 22:03.56 | jetscreamer | strider what i told you works for me when i can't dual boot anymore. fdisk /mbr . |
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| 22:04.06 | emmajane | I'm trying to do a remote install of debian and base-config won't run. |
| 22:04.11 | jetscreamer | and it's the win part that fuxors |
| 22:04.15 | emmajane | or rather it runs and then exists without actually doing anything. |
| 22:04.20 | xel | chris: XMMS is similar to Winamp in Windows |
| 22:04.21 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 22:04.25 | strider_ | jetscreamer: ok noted |
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| 22:04.54 | emmajane | I've tried removing and reinstalling but it's refusing to run. |
| 22:04.55 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: Thx a alot, there is a crontab which use savelog |
| 22:04.57 | jetscreamer | booting the windows cd and hitting f8 might help too |
| 22:04.58 | strider_ | still it shouldne be like this |
| 22:05.00 | Zefab_172 | LoRez: thx |
| 22:05.02 | strider_ | LILO shouldnt kick in |
| 22:05.03 | RelDrgn | cassiopea: if amexplorer is this www.amuletexplorer.com, its probably not going to be packaged in debian until the author makes it an open project. Especially with the statement that it will be opened later. |
| 22:05.11 | strider_ | jetscreamer: do you use GRUB ? |
| 22:05.15 | jetscreamer | lilo wrote itself to that hd |
| 22:05.20 | jetscreamer | no lilo |
| 22:05.38 | strider_ | jetscreamer: is multiboot with LILO easier ? |
| 22:05.54 | xel | strider_: yes. Lilo is simple. |
| 22:05.56 | jetscreamer | works for me easy, never used grub so i dunno if it's easier |
| 22:06.26 | xel | strider_: try with lilo. Edit /etc/lilo.conf is really simple. |
| 22:06.28 | OwO | Grub is quite useful if you are booting from more than one OS or more than one kernel |
| 22:06.28 | strider_ | xel: i got windows on one disk and linux on the other can LILO deal with that ? |
| 22:06.31 | chris | Hey, thats cool, I'm just listening to radio |
| 22:06.39 | xel | strider_: sure. |
| 22:06.43 | xel | chris: eheh good. :) |
| 22:06.43 | jetscreamer | strider_, it deals with it here easy |
| 22:06.46 | jetscreamer | atm |
| 22:06.52 | strider_ | can the windows disk be slave ? |
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| 22:07.14 | jetscreamer | yes but if it is you're gonna have problem with fdisk /mbr afaik |
| 22:07.23 | jetscreamer | which is why i qualified it |
| 22:07.29 | xel | chris: do u like it? *g* |
| 22:07.38 | jetscreamer | if it's the first hd, fdisk /mbr *will* fix your prob |
| 22:07.45 | strider_ | hmm |
| 22:07.56 | jetscreamer | i dunno how to tell fdisk to hit the slave |
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| 22:08.04 | strider_ | jetscreamer: this LILO i have now if its not in the MBR; where is it ? |
| 22:08.19 | jetscreamer | the lilo boot block |
| 22:08.24 | jetscreamer | not lilo |
| 22:08.28 | strider_ | jetscreamer: can i remove it |
| 22:08.28 | jetscreamer | somewhere on hd all i know |
| 22:08.31 | strider_ | ? |
| 22:08.43 | jetscreamer | heh..... yeah that i know. how is another story. |
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| 22:08.53 | strider_ | so if i installed LILO to the MBR in the first place, i wouldnt have this problem |
| 22:09.07 | jetscreamer | theoretically true |
| 22:09.18 | strider_ | damnit |
| 22:09.19 | emmajane | Can anyone think of anything htat would prevent base-config from working? |
| 22:09.35 | xel | strider_: yes, install always lilo on /mbr 'cause is better to control it. |
| 22:09.35 | jetscreamer | fried hd emmajane |
| 22:09.36 | derobert | jetscreamer: I *think* lilo saves the old MBR when it installs |
| 22:09.37 | joesmith | if I run apt-get upgrade, and it does not install anything, does that mean my system is up to date? |
| 22:09.42 | bob2 | jamesd: turn that off. |
| 22:09.42 | deadcat | !tell jamesd about away |
| 22:09.46 | bob2 | jamesd: no. |
| 22:09.53 | jetscreamer | joesmith |
| 22:09.53 | derobert | joesmith: maybe. Did you run "apt-get update" as well? |
| 22:09.56 | streuner | joesmith yes |
| 22:10.03 | bob2 | joesmith: no, read the apt-get man page and appreciate the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
| 22:10.03 | strider_ | fuck |
| 22:10.06 | jetscreamer | alias a='apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get -f install && shutdown -r now' |
| 22:10.11 | joesmith | derobert: yes I did |
| 22:10.13 | bob2 | emmajane: "doesn't work"? |
| 22:10.19 | strider_ | just as things were going so well |
| 22:10.21 | xel | joesmith: well, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:10.33 | paulswm | strider_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSBOOT |
| 22:10.36 | xel | joesmith: with apt-get update you update only the list of the pkg u have. |
| 22:10.41 | joesmith | I just did a fresh install of wooddy, and there are no packages to update? |
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| 22:11.00 | emmajane | I type base-config and it gives me back the prompt without doing anything. |
| 22:11.01 | xel | joesmith: yes, If I rember correctly about 12 mb. |
| 22:11.04 | streuner | joesmith: as long as you don't edit sources.list yes. |
| 22:11.05 | deadcat | joesmith: if you didnt apt-get update. then no |
| 22:11.12 | derobert | strider_: I think lilo might save the MBR if it overwrites it... |
| 22:11.15 | jetscreamer | joesmith maybe edit /etc/apt/sources.list and take the cd out |
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| 22:11.30 | streuner | jetscreamer: uhm, no. |
| 22:11.40 | xel | joesmith: true. Edit your /etc/sources.list and put deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:11.45 | TravisBarker | can you set a cron job to apt-get that will install everything for you at 4:00 in the morning? |
| 22:11.46 | emmajane | bob2: I must have messed something up somewhere. |
| 22:11.59 | xel | for example. Than try to type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade again. |
| 22:12.00 | bob2 | emmajane: is this on sid? |
| 22:12.00 | derobert | TravisBarker: apt-get install cron-apt |
| 22:12.08 | jetscreamer | no??? omfgNOOOOO!!! |
| 22:12.09 | bob2 | TravisBarker: don't, thinks will break. |
| 22:12.09 | joesmith | deadcat: i am sorry, I did apt-get upgrade, in my sources file there is ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org |
| 22:12.11 | xel | TravisBarker: sure. |
| 22:12.11 | emmajane | potato -- it's a remote install using potato as the base |
| 22:12.11 | streuner | jetscreamer: you can have on any point CD-sources-lines in sources.list, it wouldn't have any effect... |
| 22:12.18 | bob2 | emmajane: oh... |
| 22:12.21 | emmajane | bob :) |
| 22:12.33 | jetscreamer | joesmith apt-get update first |
| 22:12.35 | bob2 | emmajane: no idea then, but it should work. |
| 22:12.36 | emmajane | bob2: that's a show stopping "oh" isn't it? ;) |
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| 22:12.50 | strider_ | hmm, so what are my options at this point, hook up the windoze disk as master and use LILO instead of GRUB ? |
| 22:12.52 | emmajane | bob2: I'm just going to wipe the partition and start again from scratch. I must have flubbed something. |
| 22:12.53 | TravisBarker | bob2: it would be nice if it could be done in a way that wouldnt cause things to break |
| 22:13.08 | TravisBarker | i suppose that might be a ways off tho |
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| 22:13.33 | bob2 | TravisBarker: why? |
| 22:13.36 | ludwig | ~tell _mechanix about root |
| 22:13.48 | TravisBarker | bob2: why what? |
| 22:13.49 | bob2 | TravisBarker: just tell apt to download packages each morning, then you can ssh in and watch it upgarde them |
| 22:13.52 | jetscreamer | strider_, what i do is turn off master in bios and boot to a dos disk and use the fdisk /mbr then reboot turn master back on boot to windows then reboot when it "finds *new* devices" |
| 22:14.02 | jetscreamer | but that's just me |
| 22:14.13 | bob2 | emmajane: hm, know about debootstrap? |
| 22:14.15 | TravisBarker | my point is that i dont want to watch it upgrade them |
| 22:14.27 | troubled | bob2: evenin' and HNY |
| 22:14.29 | bob2 | kill -HUP troubled |
| 22:14.32 | TravisBarker | it should be smart enough to upgrade with out a baby sitter (eventually) |
| 22:14.35 | emmajane | bob2: yes, but i'm trying to test out Karsten's instructions for the anti-bootstrap method |
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| 22:14.59 | bob2 | hehehehe |
| 22:14.59 | troubled | bob2: bah! :) |
| 22:14.59 | jetscreamer | -y is your friend |
| 22:14.59 | bob2 | troubled: howdy. |
| 22:15.00 | bob2 | emmajane: ah, ok. |
| 22:15.02 | emmajane | bob2: me = sucker for punishment |
| 22:15.07 | bob2 | TravisBarker: that's a long way off...lots of things require manual intervention. |
| 22:15.12 | bob2 | emmajane: so it seems ;-) |
| 22:15.25 | bob2 | troubled: you seem remarkably concious for a friday. |
| 22:15.43 | derobert | bob2: Those things generally just error out, then you have to do them by hand the next morning |
| 22:15.44 | strider_ | there HAS to be a better way |
| 22:15.51 | troubled | bob2: funny night tonight. A buddy of mine in the building had a linux self taught guru thats from here in #fedora over ;) |
| 22:15.53 | derobert | bob2: and upgrade -d -y seems to always be safe |
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| 22:16.05 | troubled | bob2: gotta begin the new year properly :) |
| 22:16.15 | bob2 | derobert: well, depends. if he auto-upgraded ssh on a 2.0 kernel, he wouldn't have been able to login. |
| 22:16.26 | TravisBarker | derobert -d -y ?? |
| 22:16.35 | TravisBarker | I dont have debina so i dont know what thosw two do |
| 22:16.40 | bob2 | TravisBarker: haha, of course. |
| 22:16.40 | TravisBarker | debian |
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| 22:16.45 | derobert | TravisBarker: -d = download only mode |
| 22:16.54 | strider_ | and with all due respect guys, the real info is in the channel, very seldom in those outdated howtos |
| 22:17.04 | derobert | bob2: well, yeah, but that's a bug :-) |
| 22:17.10 | bob2 | derobert: oh, of course, -d is fine. |
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| 22:17.18 | derobert | bob2: (possibly in still running 2.0.x :-) |
| 22:17.24 | bob2 | derobert: haha. |
| 22:17.33 | Mave | strider_: yeah howtos are worse than the channel :> |
| 22:17.41 | bob2 | derobert: go nmu a 2.6 kernel as kernel-image-2.0.37 then ;-) |
| 22:17.50 | kzar | are there any programs for linux like spamassassin that scan for windows virus's? |
| 22:17.57 | bob2 | kzar: clamav |
| 22:18.04 | strider_ | there has to be a way to make GRUB work even the LILO is in the damn bootblock |
| 22:18.07 | paulswm | strider_: you mean it's easier to ask in the channel than do some reading |
| 22:18.10 | strider_ | ot shouldnt matter |
| 22:18.12 | derobert | bob2: that'd be fun... Gotta get it into stable somehow, though. |
| 22:18.12 | strider_ | paulswm: nope |
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| 22:18.13 | kzar | bob2: can that be used with postfix though? |
| 22:18.14 | jetscreamer | cups sees my printer, cups configures my printer.... my printer won't print. wtf should i look at. |
| 22:18.22 | strider_ | paulswm: i meant what i said, nothing else |
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| 22:18.30 | bob2 | kzar: google for "postfix clamav amavsid". |
| 22:18.32 | derobert | kzar: clamav |
| 22:18.33 | [m0rph] | hey, i got the ne apt 0.6.8 |
| 22:18.35 | _mechanix | Hi .... |
| 22:18.38 | [m0rph] | +w |
| 22:18.50 | [m0rph] | now it gives me Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 22:18.50 | [m0rph] | eal: Unable to parse package file |
| 22:18.50 | kzar | bob2: ok |
| 22:18.53 | Mave | jetscreamer: if cups doesn't work try sacrificing a chicken or something |
| 22:18.54 | paulswm | strider_: the questions you've asked can be answered from the howtos |
| 22:18.57 | mwilson | man, it's amazing what you find if you actually bother to look. |
| 22:18.59 | derobert | jetscreamer: /var/log/cups* |
| 22:19.05 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 22:19.29 | derobert | [m0rph]: so downgrade |
| 22:19.31 | strider_ | paulswm: with all due respect, the question why grub wont load due to the fact that LILO is in the bootblack can not be answered by those howtos |
| 22:19.56 | bob2 | [m0rph]: don't use apt from EXPERIMENTAL if you're not ready to help fix bugs. |
| 22:20.07 | Mave | heh |
| 22:20.22 | ludwig | bob2: oops. i guess i should go back to unstable :) |
| 22:20.33 | derobert | [m0rph]: Have you tried clearing out apt's cached lists? |
| 22:20.37 | Mave | [m0rph]: are you naive or you think this channel is the bug tracking system ? |
| 22:20.39 | paulswm | strider_: incorrect, the howtos describe how each installs and loads, then you could have easily figured out what was happening |
| 22:20.45 | bob2 | also, you had to EXPLICITLY ask apt to upgrade itself from experimental. |
| 22:20.45 | Spencer | mwilson: It's not always because one chooses not to look, they just don't know where to look. |
| 22:20.53 | derobert | [m0rph]: or read the thread on -devel where other people had this problem, and found a solution? |
| 22:20.59 | [m0rph] | Mave: i thought somebody would knew a fix |
| 22:21.11 | [m0rph] | derobert: i read it, and someone had the same problem |
| 22:21.19 | paulswm | Spencer: yeah but sometimes if you tell them they just whine about it |
| 22:21.23 | _mechanix | i have a simple question : i installed debian 3.0r0 in my powermac (right now i`m in yellowdog) , but i think its quite outdated, i ran the apt-get update thing and the dist-upgrade....but they got me to deb 3.0r1 .... there isn't a way to upgrade to the unstable distribution ? |
| 22:21.24 | [m0rph] | derobert: but nobody cared |
| 22:21.28 | Spencer | That is very true. |
| 22:21.41 | strider_ | paulswm: the "figuring" out as you call it can be done when you have answered 100 noo.b questions and done a dozen installs, like you and the other helpers in the channel |
| 22:21.59 | derobert | [m0rph]: well, his problem went away magically after a downgrade/upgrade cycle, if I remember correctly |
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| 22:22.18 | _mechanix | i got the creeps yesterday when i saw gaim-0.54 and my 2.6 kernel was't compiling due to a old binutils ... |
| 22:22.20 | streuner | _mechanix: you can get some backports and newer packages at apt-get.org |
| 22:22.35 | derobert | [m0rph]: Have you tried clearing out the downloaded lists? |
| 22:22.36 | mwilson | Spencer: My current search in google is "woody netinst iso" |
| 22:22.45 | paulswm | strider_: I'm just a guy running a debian installation. the purpose of pointing you to the howtos is so you can learn instead of being spoonfed, but you kust dismissed them out of hand |
| 22:23.03 | [m0rph] | derobert: yep, i deleted all the files |
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| 22:23.09 | strider_ | paulswm: very well, i shall take your word for it. Is there a howto that gives me info on how to rectify my current predicament.(that is make grub work) |
| 22:23.09 | mwilson | Spencer: I am now downloading a fifth image. |
| 22:23.12 | streuner | _mechanix: /msg dpkg woody->sid |
| 22:23.23 | mwilson | Spencer: But of course, there are absolutely none avaiable. |
| 22:23.29 | _mechanix | streuner : i heard that there's a way to edit your sources.list file to make it point to unstable releases ..is that true? |
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| 22:23.32 | strider_ | paulswm: i have read the two GRUB multiboot howtos b.t.w. |
| 22:23.33 | derobert | [m0rph]: which files, exactly? |
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| 22:23.41 | _mechanix | streuner : hmmmm okz...... |
| 22:23.43 | Mave | _mechanix: for testing users yes |
| 22:24.07 | Mave | _mechanix: for woody users it's to upgrade to unstable |
| 22:24.07 | streuner | _mechanix: welcome. |
| 22:24.08 | [m0rph] | derobert: all in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 22:24.21 | derobert | [m0rph]: clear out /var/cache/apt as well |
| 22:24.26 | strider_ | and i resent being accused of bein "spoonefed" when i have spent hours trying to sort this out |
| 22:24.30 | derobert | [m0rph]: especially the .bin files |
| 22:24.35 | strider_ | not everyone who asks for help are being spoonfed |
| 22:24.58 | _mechanix | hmmmmm |
| 22:25.03 | _mechanix | how can i do that? |
| 22:25.13 | _mechanix | the bot isn't helping a lot ;) |
| 22:25.35 | Mave | _mechanix: try apt-get.org and backports.org for latest and greatest stuff |
| 22:25.47 | streuner | _mechanix: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:25.56 | mwilson | Spencer: A sixth image. |
| 22:25.58 | Mave | _mechanix: or use testing at least don't go for unstable |
| 22:26.05 | streuner | _mechanix: and edit the lines with stable or woody to unstable |
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| 22:26.32 | streuner | _mechanix: after that you run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:26.34 | zinx | strider_: if i'm reading the scrollback.... grub is a bootloader, the bootloader you have installed is lilo. i don't see where the confusion about grub not running is... |
| 22:26.47 | zinx | s/back/back correctly/ |
| 22:27.12 | _mechanix | hmmm....there are many lines.... stable/non-US |
| 22:27.17 | Spencer | mwilson: Why so many images? |
| 22:27.18 | _mechanix | i change that to |
| 22:27.18 | strider_ | zinx: well |
| 22:27.25 | _mechanix | "unstable/non-US |
| 22:27.35 | streuner | good |
| 22:27.40 | azreal | im glad someone asked about that internet radio, i had never messed with it, pretty cool. |
| 22:27.47 | derobert | Spencer: mwilson is collecting them. I think he's gone mad. |
| 22:28.07 | strider_ | zinx: when i choose winxp from the grub bootmenu, LILO starts loading LINUX, instead of winXP, that is my problem |
| 22:28.12 | [m0rph] | derobert: that didn't help either |
| 22:28.19 | _mechanix | after that i have to do the update / upgrade / dist-upgrade thing and rest? |
| 22:28.19 | paulswm | strider_: hey, I just pointed you in the direction of the howtos. The howtos enable you to figure out why grub was chaining to LILO. If you've read the howtos and the grub docs and you still can't figure it out, then of course it's appropriate to ask here. I was actually trying to help by giving you the howto url. |
| 22:28.21 | zinx | strider_: hah |
| 22:28.32 | Orhad | rza what's rox ? |
| 22:28.35 | zinx | strider_: your grub configuration is at fault |
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| 22:28.43 | Orhad | Rza`` i mean |
| 22:28.44 | zinx | strider_: make it correct, and all will be fine |
| 22:28.56 | Mave | strider_: becuase lilo was installed on winxp's partition boot block ? |
| 22:29.07 | strider_ | zinx: hmm allow me to paste it in flood and i shall await ur comments :) |
| 22:29.07 | Spencer | I wish that they had a Debian mirror located in every state, province, etc. The mirrors containing the exact same stuff. Also, containing everything you need. |
| 22:29.11 | zinx | Mave: i hope that's not the case |
| 22:29.12 | strider_ | Mave: no, 2 diff disks |
| 22:29.13 | sandman | Any bochs users? |
| 22:29.17 | zinx | strider_: no thanks! |
| 22:29.19 | derobert | [m0rph]: hmmm.... errm, mine just broke too |
| 22:29.25 | _mechanix | Mave : i have a friend who's using unstable and he reports no crashes at all, and no kernel oops and some sort of strange behaviour..... everything seems fine..... |
| 22:29.27 | strider_ | zinx ok then : |
| 22:29.28 | strider_ | :) |
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| 22:29.48 | _mechanix | streuner : thankz , i'll try this thing out... |
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| 22:30.23 | Mave | _mechanix: don't use sid unless you know dpkg and apt well |
| 22:30.28 | derobert | [m0rph]: I now get some of the lists in testing/non-free having md5sum problems... |
| 22:30.38 | strider_ | i followed the conf of http://www.linux-sxs.org/administration/grubxp.html, is that one wrong ? |
| 22:30.59 | strider_ | its exactly how my system is set up |
| 22:31.06 | emmajane | ooops, must return the videos |
| 22:31.07 | emmajane | later |
| 22:31.14 | [m0rph] | derobert: weid, i don't get md5sum problems |
| 22:31.17 | emmajane | bob2: I scrapped it and started over and now it's working |
| 22:31.25 | hobbes | i'm trying to print, and after installing/configuring cups I get /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.7: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcups.so.2) --Any Ideas? |
| 22:31.37 | Justin_ | !tell hobbes about bts |
| 22:31.43 | bob2 | hobbes: look at the btts. |
| 22:31.47 | bob2 | also, that's been fixed. |
| 22:31.51 | hobbes | brrs? |
| 22:31.55 | hobbes | btts? |
| 22:32.00 | bob2 | BTW |
| 22:32.02 | bob2 | bah |
| 22:32.11 | thebug | hobbes:tried apt-get install gnutls3 ? |
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| 22:32.32 | hobbes | nope, but in the midlle of apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:32.42 | deadcat | bob2: didnt bring your A game today eh? (= |
| 22:32.55 | troubled | heh |
| 22:33.07 | derobert | [m0rph]: Guess that's why its experimental. Do you have testing/non-free in your sources list? |
| 22:33.12 | troubled | deadcat: brought his MX game today by mistake |
| 22:33.13 | hobbes | bob2: what is btts? |
| 22:33.13 | azreal | food and sex should be free. |
| 22:33.23 | deadcat | (= |
| 22:33.33 | azreal | the world would be a better place |
| 22:33.41 | Mave | azreal: and crowded |
| 22:33.45 | paulswm | strider_: it's not exactly how your system is set up, because you have a lilo installed in the xp mbr |
| 22:33.51 | troubled | azreal: wouldnt have terrorists if that was the case :) |
| 22:33.59 | azreal | Mave: its allready crowded |
| 22:34.05 | mwilson | ~netinst |
| 22:34.06 | | netinst is, like, a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
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| 22:34.09 | strider_ | paulswm: how can i rectify this ? |
| 22:34.15 | [m0rph] | derobert: i got unstable/non-free in my sources list |
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| 22:34.27 | mwilson | See if THAT actually helps any of the clueless ones. |
| 22:34.31 | strider_ | paulswm: btw i dont |
| 22:34.31 | deadcat | azreal: sex should be free? you mean you pay for it? isnt that illegal? (= |
| 22:34.37 | strider_ | paulswm: not in the xp mbr |
| 22:34.40 | greycat | not everywhere |
| 22:34.46 | azreal | deadcat: you pay for in one way or other |
| 22:34.51 | MikeB_ | What's the command to add kernel modules? I thought it was modconf but i think my mind is going. |
| 22:34.53 | derobert | deadcat: depends on where you live |
| 22:34.58 | troubled | so....who's hungover? |
| 22:34.59 | azreal | deadcat: chicks are expensive |
| 22:35.04 | OwO | The entire population of the world could easily fit, four per 1500 square foot house, entirely within the State of Texas. The world is NOT crowded. |
| 22:35.04 | strider_ | paulswm: in the bootblock of the linux disk, thats where LILO us |
| 22:35.06 | bob2 | deadcat: it's a Friday. |
| 22:35.08 | strider_ | us = is |
| 22:35.12 | bob2 | hobbes: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 22:35.20 | nvz | deadcat: strange concept isnt it.. selling is legal, fucking is legal, why isnt selling fucking legal? |
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| 22:35.25 | deadcat | azreal: you dating the wrong chicks... those are called gold-diggers. |
| 22:35.29 | derobert | deadcat: most places make you first convert usable currency, like USD, to unusable currency, like flowers, to pay for it... but some aren't so silly |
| 22:35.29 | hobbes | bob2: ok |
| 22:35.30 | greycat | nvz: Carlin. |
| 22:35.55 | deadcat | nvz: amen |
| 22:35.55 | nvz | greycat: you know it |
| 22:35.55 | azreal | deadcat: i could have built a few more computers instead |
| 22:35.55 | strider_ | paulswm: so that must mean my GRUN conf is at fault right ? |
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| 22:35.55 | paulswm | strider_: it is wherever Grub is calling it. |
| 22:35.55 | strider_ | GRUB = GRUN |
| 22:35.55 | deadcat | derobert: hehe |
| 22:35.55 | nvz | greycat: I am a huge Carlin fan.. |
| 22:36.00 | struct | is there documentation pertaining to the default security option in the 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 22:36.07 | Spencer | azreal: I'm building a computer right now. =) |
| 22:36.10 | azreal | deadcat: bah, ive yet to see any that dont end up costing something somehow |
| 22:36.33 | paulswm | strider_: I don't use grub, so I don't know. But evidently it is where Grub is calling it, and it in turn is set up to boot Linux |
| 22:37.09 | strider_ | i see |
| 22:37.11 | paulswm | strider_: I think that if you uninstall lilo, it'll put the MBR back as it was |
| 22:37.22 | bob2 | strider_: selinux and lsm and such? |
| 22:37.48 | jetscreamer | nvz so you liked carlin in jay&silent bob? |
| 22:37.59 | strider_ | bob2: i dont recognize those terms, are you implying they are of use to this situation ? |
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| 22:38.19 | strider_ | if they are i shall investigate and learn about them |
| 22:38.35 | nvz | jetscreamer: whats that got to do with anything? I had a hard time remembering which stoner movie that was he was in |
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| 22:39.01 | nvz | jetscreamer: you know, since I was stoned when I seen them all |
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| 22:39.19 | jetscreamer | nvz: j/k (he was blowing for rides in that movie) |
| 22:39.25 | derobert | [m0rph]: hmm, when I do apt-get upgrade it turns out quite a bit is broken with apt 0.6.8 right now... |
| 22:39.26 | azreal | nvz: you mean George-jerk-m-off-fuck-you-too? |
| 22:39.30 | strider_ | paulswm: you know when i installed debian i had a choice to install lilo at MBR or in the "bootblock" |
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| 22:39.42 | _mechanix | i liked this chan very much , its the first time i tried it, and the people here are cool and like to answer and help , share knowledge, i really think that's the real thingy in free software (knowledge share) , thanx |
| 22:39.46 | nvz | something like that.. |
| 22:39.53 | strider_ | paulswm: i chose bootblock, this is the cause of my problems am i right ? |
| 22:40.00 | jetscreamer | yes strider_ |
| 22:40.03 | azreal | nvz: thats his take on hyphenated names |
| 22:40.13 | nvz | well I am turning off my pc, going to act like I have something better to do |
| 22:40.14 | exobyte | how well does linux support/work with a 33.6 parrallel/serial usr modem? |
| 22:40.19 | jetscreamer | fdisk /mbr will fix that |
| 22:40.26 | OwO | bob2 - The KDE 3 desktop environment is astounding. |
| 22:40.26 | Mave | install-mbr |
| 22:40.27 | _mechanix | there are more people here using powerpc arch !? |
| 22:40.31 | jetscreamer | winxp cd wil fix that |
| 22:40.33 | OwO | thanks |
| 22:40.36 | bob2 | OwO: it is? |
| 22:40.37 | Mave | _mechanix: #debianppc |
| 22:40.38 | greycat | _mechanix: #debianppc |
| 22:40.47 | jetscreamer | install-mbr might fix that |
| 22:40.48 | _mechanix | thnxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 22:41.02 | OwO | bob2 compared to previous versions, I'm impressed. |
| 22:41.06 | strider_ | well |
| 22:41.13 | nvz | OwO: astoundingly ugly, bloated, smelly pile of crap |
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| 22:41.24 | Mave | nvz: bullshit :P |
| 22:41.42 | madness | ~start a desktop war |
| 22:41.43 | | Enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 22:41.51 | paulswm | strider, sorry AFK |
| 22:41.52 | jetscreamer | !start a printer bash |
| 22:41.55 | strider_ | if i install LILO in the MBR, then it will no longer be in the bootblock , and if i upon that install GRUB i am on easy street, is that what you are saying jetscreamer :) |
| 22:42.00 | [m0rph] | derobert: apt 0.6.9 from incoming.debian.org fixed that |
| 22:42.06 | nvz | I think Enlightenment actually lowers your IQ from the moment it peels onto your screen |
| 22:42.15 | paulswm | strider_: why do you want to install Grub *and* LILO? |
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| 22:42.21 | strider_ | paulswm: i dont |
| 22:42.26 | jetscreamer | strider you will have one in the mbr and one in the bootblock, or something like that, or at least that's my thoughts i dunno for sure |
| 22:42.27 | strider_ | paulswm: i just wanna use GRUB |
| 22:42.32 | art_k8fa22 | newbie question if I may |
| 22:42.32 | mwilson | <shrug> The latest E isn't all THAT bad... heck, it finally supports EWMH. |
| 22:42.36 | OwO | bob2 Also the quality of my sound is greatly improved with this new desktop |
| 22:42.45 | nvz | speaking of applications that make you stupid.. has anyone else read about Microsoft PowerPoint making people stupid? |
| 22:42.47 | madness | art_k8fa22: if you're attempted to read docs first. |
| 22:42.51 | jetscreamer | you need a winxp master boot record on your winxp hd strider_ |
| 22:42.57 | paulswm | strider_: then apt-get unstall lilo |
| 22:42.58 | Mave | nvz: yes I knew it before the article |
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| 22:43.14 | mwilson | nvz: Old news. |
| 22:43.17 | jetscreamer | linux pwns win for quake! |
| 22:43.23 | strider_ | paulswm: thanks :) |
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| 22:43.40 | strider_ | paulswm: didnt know it was that easy |
| 22:43.40 | jetscreamer | lin pwns win? |
| 22:43.53 | strider_ | i shall return :) |
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| 22:43.59 | _mechanix | the greatest desktop : WindowMaker , by my fellas in brazil (my country ;D) |
| 22:44.03 | art_k8fa22 | have read many docs, agoogle search having tbl with x hp1120 mon v and h set get no screens |
| 22:44.06 | jetscreamer | strider_, you will stil have the same problem, just no lilo |
| 22:44.09 | nvz | yeah was good news as far as I am concerned, sure we all knew it.. but now it said it in the news with scientific backup.. so the zombies might just believe it |
| 22:44.11 | paulswm | strider_: that *should* put the MBR back the way it was before you installed lilo. If not, you'll have to fix the MBR with XP |
| 22:44.20 | paulswm | crap |
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| 22:44.32 | paulswm | hope that works, better get out of here in case it doesn't |
| 22:44.35 | Mave | nvz: they might believe if they had some inteeligence left :) |
| 22:44.37 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 22:44.46 | jetscreamer | he knows all he needs |
| 22:44.46 | paulswm | jetscreamer: :) |
| 22:44.48 | nvz | anyhow, I am leaving.. |
| 22:44.57 | derobert | [m0rph]: grabbing it now |
| 22:45.02 | jetscreamer | or was told (tm) |
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| 22:45.19 | freyr | derobert: ive checked all those things now... Any other ideas? |
| 22:45.22 | paulswm | jetscreamer: well i hope so, he didn't seem to get the chain loading concept |
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| 22:46.02 | jetscreamer | lets hope he printed it out then |
| 22:46.12 | paulswm | jetscreamer: rotfl |
| 22:46.33 | MikeB_ | what's the command to add a sound card module? |
| 22:46.35 | mwilson | jetscreamer: You're the one who wants to use CUPS. |
| 22:46.48 | jetscreamer | mwilson no i'm the one who wants to print |
| 22:46.50 | Mave | MikeB_: modconf or modprobe |
| 22:46.53 | jetscreamer | lp didn't work either |
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| 22:47.04 | paulswm | jetscreamer: take pictures of your screen with a camera then rush the film on down to one-hour photo |
| 22:47.06 | MikeB_ | thanks mave |
| 22:47.11 | MikeB_ | I seem to be missing modconf for some reason |
| 22:47.24 | azreal | i wonder if enlightenment still contains fvwm code |
| 22:47.58 | jetscreamer | i'll be happy to lose cups. i only put cups when i couldn't get lp to work |
| 22:48.21 | greycat | paulswm: could be worse. |
| 22:48.31 | jetscreamer | it's probably going to be something like bad permissions on printer or something |
| 22:48.31 | fatal__ | paulswm: awesome way to start the new year.. ;P |
| 22:48.43 | paulswm | fatal__: :) |
| 22:48.53 | derobert | freyr: Nope, no other ideas, though I bet if/when you eventually find what it is, it'll be something really stupid. Like having a cable unplugged, but not quite that bad. |
| 22:49.13 | paulswm | greycat: yeah, it's 78 outside, I could have gone to the beach or something |
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| 22:50.01 | derobert | apt, start a printer war |
| 22:50.07 | | derobert: i haven't a clue |
| 22:50.10 | azreal | paulswm: 30 degrees here, a real heatwave |
| 22:50.12 | derobert | ... hmmm, it doesn't seem able to do that. |
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| 22:50.17 | Mave | ~start a beer war |
| 22:50.21 | | ACTION removes the guiness taps and starts spraying boddingtons everywhere |
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| 22:50.23 | paulswm | azreal: brrrr |
| 22:50.33 | jetscreamer | apt, hp 712c is the SUCK! |
| 22:50.35 | | okay, jetscreamer |
| 22:50.35 | greycat | apt, start a beer war =~ s/guiness/guinness/g |
| 22:50.36 | | OK, greycat |
| 22:50.50 | azreal | Mave: chimay red |
| 22:50.52 | struct | where can i find the documentation for 'security' for the linux 2.6.0 kernel? |
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| 22:51.02 | mwilson | jetscreamer: A 712? Gods, man, trash that printer. |
| 22:51.08 | strider_ | jetscreamer: well you were right, same problem |
| 22:51.19 | Mave | azreal: is taht a pils ? |
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| 22:51.24 | jetscreamer | mwilson, it's all i got and all i'm gonna have for a while |
| 22:51.30 | azreal | Mave: trappist |
| 22:51.40 | paulswm | strider_: so grub is still calling lilo which is still booting linux? |
| 22:51.41 | derobert | jetscreamer: what type of printer is it? PCL? |
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| 22:51.43 | sandman | What makes Debian, as a community, more effective than any other? |
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| 22:51.54 | jetscreamer | hp 712c derobert |
| 22:51.54 | mwilson | derobert: It's a PPA priner. |
| 22:51.55 | sandman | I'm just kind of curious what the opinions are of #debian dwellers. |
| 22:51.56 | strider_ | paulswm: yes |
| 22:51.56 | bob2 | struct: you'll have to explain what you're talking about first. |
| 22:51.59 | mwilson | s/priner/printer |
| 22:52.00 | jetscreamer | i have the ppd file |
| 22:52.00 | deadcat | sandman: illegal drugs |
| 22:52.01 | bob2 | sandman: our dashing good looks. |
| 22:52.09 | exobyte | is there a good how-to somewhere on how I can compile a program and make it a package> |
| 22:52.09 | azreal | Mave: its kinda spendy, but i love to get a few bottles of it, probably one of my all time favs |
| 22:52.10 | Mave | azreal: uhm the monks ? |
| 22:52.11 | sandman | C'mon, be serious. |
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| 22:52.14 | struct | bob2: the 'security' section in the kernel configuration. |
| 22:52.14 | derobert | mwilson: where does one get PPA from? does gs do that? |
| 22:52.17 | sandman | I really want to know what you think |
| 22:52.18 | azreal | Mave: yep |
| 22:52.25 | bob2 | struct: LSM and SELinux? |
| 22:52.26 | jetscreamer | al the linux proggies (cups, lpadmin, etc) see the printer and configure it |
| 22:52.26 | struct | bob2: the section that includes default security options, selinux, etc. |
| 22:52.35 | paulswm | then you need to fix the mbr with xp, I think I might have a useful link, brb |
| 22:52.35 | derobert | jetscreamer: PPD... so it's PostScript?! |
| 22:52.39 | nvs | exobyte: apt-get install hello |
| 22:52.40 | Mave | azreal: must be very authentic |
| 22:52.43 | jetscreamer | no i have a ppd file for it |
| 22:52.44 | struct | bob2: i was more interested particularly in the default linux security options. |
| 22:52.45 | bob2 | struct: www.nsa.gov/selinux/ |
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| 22:52.58 | bob2 | struct: ok, that doesn't mean anything. |
| 22:53.10 | mwilson | derobert: No, CUPS has this idiotic idea of using PPD files to describe all printers, not just Postscript ones. |
| 22:53.19 | jetscreamer | struct you mean the security models in the kernel? |
| 22:53.22 | sandman | bob2: Does Debian get plenty of money? |
| 22:53.23 | derobert | mwilson: yeah, it does. Works rather nicely, too |
| 22:53.34 | struct | bob2: default Linux capatabilities |
| 22:53.55 | derobert | jetscreamer: is this parellel port? |
| 22:53.55 | bob2 | sandman: debian has NO money. |
| 22:53.55 | bob2 | sandman: Debian has no legal existence. |
| 22:53.57 | azreal | Mave: fermented with wild yeasts, from what i hear they let the bottles sit in the open air in a attic, the wild yeats in addition to whatever other yeats they add |
| 22:54.08 | struct | jetscreamer: i think so. |
| 22:54.11 | jetscreamer | yes parallel port |
| 22:54.20 | bob2 | sandman: debian's shell no-profit has enough money to get by on, though. |
| 22:54.26 | struct | jetscreamer: the "Default Linux Capabilities" selection under "security." |
| 22:54.26 | bob2 | sandman: most everything is donated, however. |
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| 22:54.39 | struct | jetscreamer: i couldn't find anything on it in Documentation. |
| 22:54.41 | paulswm | strider_: this is a useful link about different bootloders, not re your current problem though: http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/bootloaders/bootloaders.html |
| 22:54.48 | mwilson | jetscreamer: You can buy a much better printer on the cheap. |
| 22:54.49 | derobert | jetscreamer: and what as that model number again? |
| 22:54.50 | Mave | azreal: isn't that dangerous ? |
| 22:54.57 | jetscreamer | struct al i can recommend is #kernel or apt-get install kernel-docs |
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| 22:55.07 | jetscreamer | hp 712-c |
| 22:55.15 | struct | jetscreamer: okay, thanks. |
| 22:55.18 | jetscreamer | mwilson, i'm like broke atm |
| 22:55.24 | strider_ | paulswm: thanks |
| 22:55.29 | sandman | bob2: Well, what's the purpose of the shell NPO if not to provide Debian Community with the facilities to keep going? |
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| 22:55.56 | bob2 | sandman: it basiclaly accepts donations. |
| 22:55.57 | azreal | Mave: appraently not, i guess they know how to do it |
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| 22:56.06 | sandman | bob2: What about advertising? |
| 22:56.10 | derobert | jetscreamer: ok, do you have pnm2ppa installed? |
| 22:56.17 | sandman | market, prosecuting illegal organizations which threaten the wellbeing of Debian? |
| 22:56.25 | bob2 | sandman: why would debian ever advertise? |
| 22:56.27 | sandman | bob2: I.e.: mplayerhq.hu |
| 22:56.27 | deadcat | sandman: advertising is by dudes with debian tshirts (= |
| 22:56.31 | sandman | bob2: To get money? |
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| 22:56.44 | mwilson | How is mplayerhq.hu an "illegal organization"? |
| 22:56.45 | sandman | bob2: Just because you have no legal entity doesn't mean you don't deserve money. |
| 22:56.48 | cassiopea | can anybody suggest a nice, flashy, yet light-weight filemanager? |
| 22:56.57 | sandman | bob2: Money is society's way of telling you they want you. |
| 22:57.03 | kzar | im having a go at installing amavis with postfix, since i have installed amavis , wheever i send an email to myself to test if its working, i get an instant failed to deliver email back from postfix! |
| 22:57.04 | bob2 | sandman: wtf? |
| 22:57.16 | bob2 | sandman: you mean put ads on the website or something, and get paid for it? |
| 22:57.21 | sandman | bob2: No |
| 22:57.23 | deadcat | sandman: you really have to put down the weed this yr. |
| 22:57.30 | sandman | bob2: The NPO's website, maybe. |
| 22:57.36 | bob2 | sandman: why? |
| 22:57.48 | bob2 | sandman: that's stupid. it would compromise debian's impartiality. |
| 22:57.59 | sandman | bob2: Because you should utilize money for what it's worth to you. The one thing I've noticed about debian is that it makes no effort to make money. |
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| 22:58.07 | bob2 | sandman: also, debian isn't desperate enough to to sink to that level. |
| 22:58.10 | paulswm | strider_: do you have XP on hda or hdb |
| 22:58.11 | sandman | bob2: Not it wouldn't, because the NPO is seperate from Debian itself. |
| 22:58.18 | sandman | bob2: Well, whatever you think is necessary. |
| 22:58.18 | strider_ | paulswm: hdb |
| 22:58.23 | sandman | bob2: Power doesn't always corrupt. |
| 22:58.27 | bob2 | sandman: money does. |
| 22:58.31 | sandman | bob2: Money is power. |
| 22:58.31 | paulswm | strider_: can you boot into it from the CD |
| 22:58.35 | bob2 | sandman: why would Debian make an effort to make money? |
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| 22:58.49 | sandman | bob2: So that you can expand. I think Debian is a worth-while community. |
| 22:58.53 | sandman | it's filled with heroes |
| 22:58.56 | strider_ | paulswm: from what CD ? |
| 22:58.57 | sandman | Who are deserving, but unrewarded. |
| 22:59.04 | bob2 | sandman: are you on crack? |
| 22:59.05 | sandman | aside from perhaps by pride. |
| 22:59.10 | sandman | bob2: Maybe so. |
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| 22:59.15 | bob2 | sandman: how could money help debian expand? |
| 22:59.15 | Shay | yo all |
| 22:59.22 | paulswm | strider_: the xp installation CD, or don't you have one? |
| 22:59.24 | sandman | bob2: servers, marketing |
| 22:59.27 | strider_ | paulswm: yes i do |
| 22:59.32 | sandman | bob2: Getting more computers to come preinstalled with debian |
| 22:59.33 | deadcat | yoyoyo Shay |
| 22:59.40 | Shay | heyyo deadcat |
| 22:59.43 | bob2 | sandman: servers, there are no shortage of. |
| 22:59.50 | jetscreamer | omfg omfg omfg |
| 22:59.51 | mosty | sandman: preinstalled operating systems blow |
| 22:59.56 | Rol2 | hello |
| 22:59.56 | sandman | mosty: I disagree. |
| 23:00.00 | Rol2 | im new to debian |
| 23:00.01 | bob2 | sandman: marketingis pointless. Debian built it, they will come. |
| 23:00.11 | paulswm | strider_: how did xp get on hdb? did you move the drive from a to b, or reinstall, or what |
| 23:00.12 | Rol2 | i need some help |
| 23:00.17 | bob2 | sandman: yo uthink Debian should PAY people to preinstall Debian? |
| 23:00.19 | bob2 | Rol2: /msg dpkg ask |
| 23:00.19 | Shay | bob2, I think that I would be nice to have a "Debian" title, like RH with RHCE (it's just my humble opinion" |
| 23:00.19 | sandman | bob2: Well, I hope that policy carries Debian deep into the future. |
| 23:00.20 | Shay | ) |
| 23:00.22 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 23:00.26 | Rol2 | thanks bob2 |
| 23:00.27 | strider_ | paulswm: well i simply had hda unplugged |
| 23:00.30 | sandman | bob2: No, it should pay people to get teh word out, though. |
| 23:00.32 | bob2 | Shay: you're utterly missing the point. |
| 23:00.37 | bob2 | sandman: ^ |
| 23:00.39 | sandman | bob2: you raise a good point, though |
| 23:00.42 | jetscreamer | thanks dude derobert |
| 23:00.47 | sandman | bob2: "You build it, and they will come." I like that. |
| 23:00.48 | bob2 | Shay: there are plans for that. |
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| 23:00.56 | Shay | bob2, really!? |
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| 23:01.02 | bob2 | sandman: it doesn't matter if anyone uses debian. |
| 23:01.02 | Shay | bob2, COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ;)) |
| 23:01.08 | Rol2 | <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, Rol2 |
| 23:01.08 | derobert | jetscreamer: I'm so glad that worked, because honestly I was going to have you can random stuff into /dev/lp next :-) |
| 23:01.08 | sandman | bob2: yes it does. |
| 23:01.10 | Rol2 | lol |
| 23:01.15 | bob2 | sandman: people build it because they like it. |
| 23:01.15 | paulswm | strider_: do you mean that you switched the cable to put XP on hdb |
| 23:01.19 | MikeB_ | how can i change my current keyboard setup to UK for console? |
| 23:01.20 | bob2 | !+ask |
| 23:01.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 23:01.22 | bob2 | Rol2: ^ |
| 23:01.23 | derobert | jetscreamer: s/can/cat/ |
| 23:01.24 | sandman | bob2: If nobody uses debian, and it just sits there and collects dust, it will become history. |
| 23:01.33 | bob2 | sandman: the developers use it. |
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| 23:01.38 | Shay | ~tell Rol2 about ask |
| 23:01.40 | mosty | sandman: if nobody uses debian, it doesn't matter if it collects dust |
| 23:01.43 | tdennist | who wants to tell me how to install a module without recompiling my kernel |
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| 23:01.51 | sandman | bob2: Well, okay. Then it's a developers' distro? |
| 23:01.59 | jetscreamer | strider_, just unplug it again, and boot a w98 ebd and do fdisk /mbr |
| 23:02.00 | alexiii | Rol2: apt-get? |
| 23:02.01 | derobert | jetscreamer: now, when you have some funds, go buy a cheap laser printer. Much, much cheaper in the long run! |
| 23:02.05 | mosty | tdennist: me! me! me! read the kernel howto |
| 23:02.11 | Rol2 | yes |
| 23:02.12 | bob2 | sandman: what? are you a native english speaker? |
| 23:02.16 | Rol2 | yes alexiii |
| 23:02.24 | alexiii | mosty: :-) |
| 23:02.24 | strider_ | jetscreamer: what does that do exactly ? |
| 23:02.26 | tdennist | which is....where? |
| 23:02.30 | bob2 | sandman: it doesn't matter if anyone else uses debian, the developers will work on it because THEY like it. |
| 23:02.39 | Shay | Rol2, what's your native language? |
| 23:02.40 | jetscreamer | strider_, it fixes your problem |
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| 23:02.41 | mosty | tdennist: with all the other howto's. use google to find them |
| 23:02.43 | bob2 | sandman: if "users" don't use it, it will not die. |
| 23:02.45 | sandman | bob2: I meant "developer's", if that's what you mean |
| 23:02.49 | paulswm | jetscreamer: if he moved hda to hdb, it could be that the XP loader is confused |
| 23:02.52 | tdennist | mosty: ok thank you |
| 23:02.55 | sandman | bob2: Right. Well, okay. |
| 23:03.02 | jetscreamer | it writes a winnt master boot record to your winxp hd |
| 23:03.02 | strider_ | jetscreamer: but my problem is not the MBR, i never installed LILO on the MBR ? |
| 23:03.08 | jetscreamer | strider |
| 23:03.14 | paulswm | jetscreamer: and he might have to fix \boot.ini |
| 23:03.15 | strider_ | paulswm: yes exactly |
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| 23:03.24 | bob2 | sandman: I've noticed gentoo seems quite interested in making money. has that actually benfited them? |
| 23:03.24 | jetscreamer | what i told you wil fix it unless there's something you're not telling me |
| 23:03.26 | Rol2 | got debian installed in a rented remote server |
| 23:03.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 23:03.54 | jetscreamer | did you move the hd AFTER you had xp installed? |
| 23:03.56 | Shay | Rol2, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/users-guide.en.html |
| 23:04.17 | paulswm | strider_: the xp loader thinks XP is on the first drive, so it's starting up whatever's in the MBR on HDA, I think |
| 23:04.19 | sandman | bob2: afaik, yes. |
| 23:04.19 | strider_ | jetscreamer: dont i alrady have that, since i can boot XP when hda is unplugged ? |
| 23:04.23 | Rol2 | ok will take a look in their Shay thanx |
| 23:04.25 | bob2 | sandman: how? |
| 23:04.29 | jetscreamer | strider_, did you move the hd AFTER you had xp installed? |
| 23:04.33 | lapse | hey guys.. apt-get is giving me an error: "Unable to parse package file ....." in today's sid. any ideas? |
| 23:04.39 | strider_ | jetscreamer: yes |
| 23:04.41 | sandman | bob2: I've to jet, we'll talk in about an hour about this if you want |
| 23:04.42 | sandman | bbl |
| 23:04.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:04.45 | jetscreamer | put it back |
| 23:04.47 | mosty | lapse: apt-get update |
| 23:04.56 | derobert | lapse: which version of apt-get? |
| 23:04.57 | jetscreamer | i tried that myself |
| 23:05.07 | paulswm | strider_: you need to fix your boot.ini, or you need to have grub swap the drives before booting, becasue XP bootloader thinks it's on the first drive |
| 23:05.07 | lapse | mosty, apt-get update is what's giving the error |
| 23:05.15 | mosty | hmm |
| 23:05.22 | derobert | lapse: if the one from experimental, the new version in incoming.debian.org fixed it for me and [m0rph] |
| 23:05.24 | lapse | derobert, 0.6.8 from unstable i believe |
| 23:05.25 | strider_ | paulswm: grub is swapping, i have 2 lines for that |
| 23:05.36 | derobert | lapse: 0.6.8 is from experimental |
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| 23:05.48 | lapse | derobert, ahh yes im running experimental today.. ok great. where can i get the one from incoming? |
| 23:05.54 | mag007 | where can I get Debian ISOs? |
| 23:06.02 | derobert | lapse: http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 23:06.03 | mosty | mag007: www.google.com |
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| 23:06.16 | strider_ | title Windows XP |
| 23:06.16 | strider_ | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 23:06.16 | strider_ | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 23:06.28 | jetscreamer | strider yeah you'll either have to move the hd back, or reinstall xp, or learn arc paths and edit the boot.ini on the xp disk |
| 23:06.30 | strider_ | sorry abt the 3 line flood |
| 23:06.31 | strider_ | :) |
| 23:06.33 | paulswm | OK, then I give up. you need to check that grub, C:\BOOT.INI and the MBRs are consistent |
| 23:06.36 | Shay | ok I'm off to bed |
| 23:06.38 | lapse | derobert, awesome thanks! |
| 23:06.39 | Shay | cya all tomorrow |
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| 23:07.11 | derobert | lapse: unless you want to test apt-secure, you may want to downgrade back to the version in unstable |
| 23:07.27 | strider_ | jetscreamer: there is nothing i can do in GRUB to avoid all of that ? |
| 23:08.00 | bob2 | lapse: no, you got that from experimental. |
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| 23:08.02 | paulswm | strider_: here is where you can get a tool to fix boot.ini in case you ever end up in a situation where you can't boot XP (the tool is EditBINI. There's also an MBR tool called MBRWork, but be careful. They are both at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/bootloaders/bootloaders.html |
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| 23:08.09 | bob2 | lapse: downgrade, silly boy. |
| 23:08.26 | paulswm | wrong URL... |
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| 23:08.49 | paulswm | strider_: here is where you can get a tool to fix boot.ini in case you ever end up in a situation where you can't boot XP (the tool is EditBINI. There's also an MBR tool called MBRWork, but be careful. They are both at: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/utilities.html |
| 23:09.08 | paulswm | strider_: correct url is on second msg |
| 23:09.15 | tarzeau | is there a user of pfaedit ? |
| 23:09.25 | Active2 | i've setup a computer for ldap (edited the files libnss-ldap.conf pam_ldap.conf ldap/ldap.conf nsswitch.conf) and now he is giving the following error: "Authentication service cannot retrieve info" |
| 23:09.34 | mwilson | tarzeau: I *have*, although I don't make a habit of it. :) |
| 23:09.39 | Active2 | how can i solve this ? |
| 23:09.39 | strider_ | paulswm: ok |
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| 23:09.45 | derobert | ~tell tarzeau about ask |
| 23:09.53 | tarzeau | mwilson: are you masochistic? |
| 23:10.06 | mwilson | tarzeau: Not really, hence not making a habit of it. :) |
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| 23:10.35 | strider_ | so to sum this up, due to the fact that i installed XP when hda was unplugged, XP still thinks it is on "the first disk", and thats why this is happening ? |
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| 23:11.14 | Rol2 | configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 23:11.17 | derobert | strider_: sounds like a good explanation. Isn't the PC architecture wonderful? |
| 23:11.26 | serialkiller | i am getting errors trying to install cpanmodules, it say recursive dependeences |
| 23:11.38 | derobert | Rol2: do you have a compiler installed? |
| 23:11.42 | strider_ | it is retarded thats what it is |
| 23:11.46 | Rol2 | no I dont where do I get it |
| 23:11.55 | paulswm | strider_: I don't know. But there is something inconsistent between the XP boot loader, Grub and the MBRs, and it's certainly a good hypothesis |
| 23:11.58 | greycat | Rol2: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:12.00 | derobert | Rol2: try "apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 23:12.19 | Rol2 | k let me try that ty |
| 23:12.25 | dexcophan | scuse me, where could i get source kernel package? is it included in iso? |
| 23:12.40 | paulswm | strider_: no, it's not retarded. you just have to figure out where the problem is, which means you're going to have to leanr about the boot loaders |
| 23:13.00 | derobert | dexcophan: it'll be on the source isos, or you can use "apt-get source kernel-image-whatever" |
| 23:13.13 | strider_ | well, i liked the idea of being able to unplug either of my disks, or having them hooked up in multiboot |
| 23:13.22 | greycat | dexcophan: or more commonly, "apt-get install kernel-source-x.x.x: |
| 23:13.25 | greycat | s/:/"/ |
| 23:13.44 | strider_ | im not even sure i want to do this if that is not possible |
| 23:13.46 | dexcophan | thanks a lot |
| 23:13.50 | azreal | strider_: i think thats your whole problem, my friend had the same problem, because you added hardware |
| 23:14.15 | paulswm | strider_: what happens it you *don't* swap the drives in Grub? |
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| 23:14.24 | paulswm | s/it/if/ |
| 23:14.30 | dexcophan | er whut version number for woody? |
| 23:14.34 | azreal | strider_: its windows liscensing bullshit, because it thinks its running on another pc than it was installed to, which violates there liscense shit |
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| 23:14.42 | AnHutt | strider: a little known point is that the BIOS has its own idea of which disk is which, and assigns them hex codes, like 0x80, 0x81, etc. It is possible to change these mappings using LILO (and GRUB too IIRC) and then XP will believe them. |
| 23:14.44 | strider_ | paulswm: hmm, i will give it a try :) |
| 23:14.57 | strider_ | azreal: well grub is supposed to remedy this :) |
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| 23:15.02 | paulswm | strider_: good, this should be interesting |
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| 23:15.22 | jasonpm | anyone here gotten a mobility radeon 9600 to work? I'm having a bit of trouble (using fglrx) |
| 23:15.36 | derobert | dexcophan: woody is debian 3.0rX |
| 23:15.36 | azreal | strider_: my friend had to reinstall xp to fix it |
| 23:15.44 | jetscreamer | dude just put the hd back where it was and install linux on hdb |
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| 23:15.53 | RichiH | jasonpm: get the ati modules, kernel 2.4.23 and the X from experimental |
| 23:16.01 | derobert | dexcophan: ... or did you mean something else? |
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| 23:16.20 | paulswm | azreal: I've moved XP all over the place, different drives. different partitions and I have *never* had to reinstall. It's just a question of figuring it out |
| 23:16.34 | RichiH | (i just cut out the "yes, i did. it was a pita", part for you, jasonpm ;) |
| 23:16.34 | dexcophan | kernel's version under woody |
| 23:16.38 | jasonpm | RichiH: I'm using 2.6.0, I have the latest ati driver (flgrx) directly from ATI.. why go with the older kernel? |
| 23:16.51 | jasonpm | RichiH: what resolution is your LCD? |
| 23:16.56 | jetscreamer | 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 is default woody install kernel |
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| 23:17.12 | RichiH | jasonpm: 2.6 works, too. 1280ish, your problem is X |
| 23:17.17 | azreal | paulswm: i dunno, we tried a lot of shit to get it to work |
| 23:17.27 | jasonpm | RichiH: are you talking about XFree 4.4? |
| 23:17.34 | RichiH | erm, 1024 :) |
| 23:17.35 | jetscreamer | 4.3 |
| 23:17.39 | RichiH | you need 4.3 |
| 23:17.42 | dexcophan | i bet mind is 2.2.20 |
| 23:17.42 | paulswm | azreal: well take it from me it can be done |
| 23:17.43 | jetscreamer | shit now i need color ink |
| 23:17.43 | RichiH | sid got 4.2 |
| 23:18.02 | jetscreamer | unless you typed bf24 at boot prompt of install cd, yes |
| 23:18.10 | jetscreamer | type uname -r to find out |
| 23:18.13 | jasonpm | RichiH: I have 4.3.0.1 installed right now |
| 23:18.14 | jetscreamer | at console |
| 23:18.15 | ricII | anyone knows why 2.4.18 would see /dev/md0 as ntfs instead of ext3 ? |
| 23:18.27 | jetscreamer | fstab? |
| 23:18.29 | jasonpm | RichiH: did you use ATI's fglrx driver? |
| 23:18.35 | RichiH | jasonpm: i can asure that it works, then |
| 23:18.48 | RichiH | i got the ones from ati.com |
| 23:18.55 | jetscreamer | evil ones don't let your box work at all? |
| 23:19.02 | RichiH | and i am using my laptop to chat with you right now |
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| 23:19.08 | Segers_J | paulswm: evil ones corrupt your hd. |
| 23:19.09 | jasonpm | RichiH: ok ok.. I have everything working except the LCD.. |
| 23:19.12 | bancus | paulswm, I'm guessing evil bugs involve lots of work to fix or data loss |
| 23:19.14 | RichiH | want my XF4Config? perhaps you can use it |
| 23:19.20 | bancus | Hell, I haven't found any bugs. |
| 23:19.21 | unixfool` | I can't install kdebase in testing because of unmet depends (ksysguard -> ksysguardd -> libsensors-1debian1), but it says libsensors-1debian1 doesnt exist anymore, what am i supposed to do? |
| 23:19.29 | bancus | Except maybe this inode reclamation problem. |
| 23:19.34 | ricII | jetscreamer, no they aren't there yet.. |
| 23:19.39 | Stripes | I am trying to compile the debian 2.6.0-test11 kernel from source, but it hangs on make menuconfig. here is the message it gave me. http://www.ice9productions.com/hold/failed-kernel-compile.txt all I did was unzip the source file and run make menuconfig... did I miss something? |
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| 23:19.40 | bancus | But I'm not sure if that's 2.6 or what. |
| 23:19.41 | jasonpm | RichiH: yeah let me see that.. everything works except the LCD.. if I look at the XFree86.log, there are no errors.. all is as it should be |
| 23:19.49 | paulswm | Segers_J: yes, that would definitely be the work of Satan |
| 23:19.49 | RichiH | unixfool`: go to snapshot.debian.NET and get the modules |
| 23:20.01 | mosty | unixfool: download libsensors-1debian1 from, er do what richih said |
| 23:20.06 | RichiH | unixfool`: join #debian-kde and read the wiki linked to in the topic |
| 23:20.17 | derobert | jetscreamer, Segers_J, bancus, et al.: yes, evil bugs, IMO, are the ones that corrupt data. Usually silently. |
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| 23:20.19 | jetscreamer | Stripes, got libncurses5-dev? |
| 23:20.23 | RichiH | jasonpm: strange... |
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| 23:20.39 | Stripes | don't know.. what is it? |
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| 23:20.49 | greycat | build-essential should just depend on libncurses5-dev and be done with it |
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| 23:20.54 | jetscreamer | Stripes, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 23:20.55 | unixfool` | RichiH: thanks! :) |
| 23:20.58 | jasonpm | RichiH: what kind of screen do you have? sxga, sxga+,uxga? |
| 23:21.32 | Stripes | what is ncurses? |
| 23:21.40 | RichiH | 1024*768 |
| 23:21.43 | bancus | an implementation of curses |
| 23:21.44 | jetscreamer | library you need to make menuconfig |
| 23:21.47 | derobert | greycat: why? It's perfectly reasonable to build programs without libncurses5-dev. |
| 23:21.48 | RichiH | which is xga, i think |
| 23:21.50 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 23:21.54 | kzar | after i installed amavisd on my postfix setup, all emails seem to bounce. it says "Name service error for name=localhost type=A: Host not found" any ideas what ive buggered up? |
| 23:21.59 | greycat | ~info libncurses5-dev woody |
| 23:22.01 | bancus | it's like a windowing system for text mode |
| 23:22.05 | jetscreamer | you can use the non-curses |
| 23:22.06 | bancus | and, yes, menuconfig needs it |
| 23:22.07 | MrLoki | what POP/SMTP server should i install on my dynamic DSL server ? |
| 23:22.13 | jetscreamer | how do you call the make cliconfig? |
| 23:22.16 | bob2 | kzar: does "host localhost" work? |
| 23:22.17 | tarzeau | MrLoki: exim,teapop |
| 23:22.19 | jetscreamer | make config? |
| 23:22.23 | bancus | I think it's just config |
| 23:22.24 | greycat | derobert: but EVERYONE needs it sooner or later. It's one of the most common FAQs hwere. And it's only .... apt, how big is it? |
| 23:22.28 | bancus | xconfig uses qt |
| 23:22.28 | tarzeau | MrLoki: at least that's what i use |
| 23:22.32 | bancus | and gconfig uses GTK |
| 23:22.35 | Stripes | I don't ever remember installing that on my last system and menuconfig worked fine then.. odd |
| 23:22.38 | greycat | oh, it's bigger than I thought |
| 23:22.41 | MrLoki | do i need to uninstall the defaults? |
| 23:22.49 | kzar | bob2: it says "Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" |
| 23:22.59 | greycat | Stripes: your last system wasn't debian, then |
| 23:23.01 | bob2 | kzar: your DNS is amazingly fucked. |
| 23:23.02 | bob2 | tarzeau: pong. |
| 23:23.04 | kzar | bob2: but email WAS working fine before i installed this amavis thing |
| 23:23.05 | jetscreamer | Stripes, sometimes it gets installed |
| 23:23.05 | derobert | greycat: yep |
| 23:23.06 | tarzeau | bob2: ping |
| 23:23.15 | jetscreamer | my dns is fucked too |
| 23:23.17 | tarzeau | apt seen penix |
| 23:23.18 | | penix <~wenas@3ffe:b80:1c6e:0:0:0:0:2> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18h 57m 10s ago, saying: 'songpenguin: for just writing cds, scsi emulation and scsi generic is all you need'. |
| 23:23.28 | kzar | bob2: how can i un fuck it? |
| 23:23.32 | tarzeau | bob2: what's up? |
| 23:23.32 | MrLoki | apt seen elvis |
| 23:23.32 | | i haven't seen 'elvis', MrLoki |
| 23:23.46 | derobert | greycat: how did you get apt to do that... Has apt magically become intelligent? |
| 23:23.48 | bob2 | tarzeau: you were looking for me. |
| 23:23.57 | tarzeau | bob2: i don't remember what for |
| 23:23.59 | RichiH | elvis is dead |
| 23:24.00 | ludwig | apt seen osama |
| 23:24.00 | | ludwig: i haven't seen 'osama' |
| 23:24.07 | jetscreamer | elvis has left the building |
| 23:24.10 | tarzeau | bob2: you should read backwards line for line until you find out :) |
| 23:24.16 | bancus | ~elvis |
| 23:24.20 | | A clone of vi/ex, the standard UNIX editor.. URL: ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/pub/elvis/ |
| 23:24.20 | MrLoki | elvis is alive and well and living on mars... |
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| 23:24.44 | bancus | no, he's living in south america, next door to hitler |
| 23:25.02 | bancus | they share a fondness for hoagies |
| 23:25.13 | streuner | haha |
| 23:25.13 | jetscreamer | the good guys are really dead. the bad guys are really not. it's the way of the world |
| 23:25.20 | bancus | (this sounds like a bad idea for a sitcom) |
| 23:25.32 | muncc2beo | Is there a problem with xmms on sarge? |
| 23:25.33 | bancus | "It's the Hitler and Elvis show!" |
| 23:25.41 | greycat | bancus: no, you just need a laughable buffoon character to go with them. Like... GWB. |
| 23:25.44 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: bugs.debian.org/xmms |
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| 23:25.55 | strider_ | no difference |
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| 23:26.01 | bancus | Dunno, old Elvis was pretty buffoony. |
| 23:26.02 | jetscreamer | what ho, strider? |
| 23:26.05 | strider_ | it doesnt matter what i do |
| 23:26.09 | derobert | greycat: hussein's clone would be a great addition to the cast, too |
| 23:26.12 | strider_ | when i choose XP lilo loads |
| 23:26.12 | greycat | bancus: true. |
| 23:26.20 | jetscreamer | put-it-back |
| 23:26.22 | strider_ | however when i chose LINUX, lilo does not load |
| 23:26.29 | bancus | But GWB might make a good Kramer-esque character. |
| 23:26.31 | De_Mon | whats a command that will print the uid of a given user? |
| 23:26.37 | jetscreamer | id |
| 23:26.38 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 23:26.40 | greycat | De_Mon: id |
| 23:26.43 | strider_ | LILO shouldnt even be there, i removed it |
| 23:26.47 | jetscreamer | strider |
| 23:26.55 | jetscreamer | i told you the boot block is stil there |
| 23:27.00 | De_Mon | awesome |
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| 23:27.02 | strider_ | jetscreamer: yeah |
| 23:27.02 | jetscreamer | lilo writes it |
| 23:27.05 | serialkiller | anyone good at install cpan stuff, i am having soem major headache install mysql-modules |
| 23:27.06 | jetscreamer | you took away the pen |
| 23:27.07 | strider_ | jetscreamer: i must get rid of it |
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| 23:28.00 | strider_ | jetscreamer: and why didnt the bootblock delete when i did apt-get remove lilo |
| 23:28.09 | Justin_ | !tell serialkiller about search |
| 23:28.13 | kzar | bob2: my dns or whatever might be setup worse than a pcworld laptop but i got it all working again by changing the enry in the main.cf from localhost to 127.0.0.1 so im not bothered :D |
| 23:28.15 | jetscreamer | because lilo is a pen your hd is paper |
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| 23:28.26 | jetscreamer | and you didn't use the correct eraser |
| 23:28.34 | serialkiller | Justin_ : why do you keep doing that? |
| 23:28.37 | strider_ | jetscreamer: give me my eraser :) |
| 23:28.37 | jetscreamer | (overwrite) |
| 23:28.46 | Justin_ | serialkiller: because you didnt bother to read it the first time |
| 23:28.49 | paulswm | jetscreamer: lilo should have restored the MBR |
| 23:28.51 | Segers_J | strider_: complete guess: you installed lilo on the first partition and grub on the mbr of the windows disk. no clue how to fix it if that is the case though. (sorry) |
| 23:28.52 | jetscreamer | put the hd back on hda and run fdisk /mbr |
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| 23:29.04 | serialkiller | Justin_ : i did, thid CPAN dont apt |
| 23:29.06 | derobert | jetscreamer: re-install lilo, then read the lilo documentation. There is an option to remove lilo from a MBR |
| 23:29.19 | greycat | wtf does "thid CPAN dont apt" mean? |
| 23:29.44 | jetscreamer | derobertstrider_: re-install lilo, then read the lilo documentation. There is an option to remove lilo from a MBR |
| 23:29.45 | serialkiller | cpan installing form thier site, not a apt-get |
| 23:29.48 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 23:30.05 | greycat | serialkiller: then you're on your own. Debian isn't responsible for your local hacks. |
| 23:30.06 | strider_ | Segers_J: LILO on the first disk(linux), grub in the MBR of the first disk, second disk only XP installed |
| 23:30.26 | strider_ | jetscreamer: why do you say MBR, thought it was the bootblock? |
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| 23:30.41 | jetscreamer | however what he fails to mention is that xp was installed on hda then later the hd was moved |
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| 23:30.58 | paulswm | strider_: if you install lilo, it will take a copy of the current MBR which may be bad, then use that to reinstall the MBR when you tell it to |
| 23:31.18 | paulswm | strider_: which doesn't get you anywhere |
| 23:31.44 | derobert | strider_: hmmm, looks like -u will uninstall lilo... |
| 23:31.51 | strider_ | whatever i do, LILO is still in the bootblock, is this correct ? |
| 23:31.58 | jetscreamer | strider if you put the hd back where it was and do fdisk /mbr the damn thing wil boot then re-install debian to hdb. or you can try to work it out another way. |
| 23:32.07 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
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| 23:32.20 | strider_ | jetscreamer: not a bad idea |
| 23:32.48 | strider_ | or i can settle for LILO instead of GRUB |
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| 23:33.32 | nk_root66 | hm... cgi-scripts seem to be ignored from my apache... where do I enable it? httpd.cofn? |
| 23:33.38 | paulswm | strider_: re the MBR, you could have done that like an hour ago when jetscreamer first suggested it |
| 23:33.58 | jetscreamer | it's cuz you moved your xp and xp stil thinks it's on default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT |
| 23:34.32 | bob2 | nk_root66: they're in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and executable, right? |
| 23:34.33 | jetscreamer | and cuz you have that lilo stuff |
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| 23:34.45 | jetscreamer | stil lhanging around |
| 23:34.46 | beta3 | bob2: finished my c program |
| 23:34.49 | strider_ | jetscreamer: yeah so there are actually 2 problems here |
| 23:34.55 | jetscreamer | no, just one |
| 23:34.55 | nk_root66 | bob2: ah... sry, wrong channel, it's on my suse server :/ |
| 23:34.56 | bob2 | beta3: working? |
| 23:35.02 | beta3 | bob2: flawlessly |
| 23:35.05 | jetscreamer | well ok 2 but |
| 23:35.16 | strider_ | jetscreamer: are you sure if i didnt have the LILO issue, this thing would not still work ? |
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| 23:35.37 | jasonpm | is the radeon 9600 going to be supported in XFree86 4.4? |
| 23:35.43 | jetscreamer | 86-92% positive |
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| 23:35.48 | strider_ | ok |
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| 23:35.56 | bob2 | why do people by such poorly supported hardware? |
| 23:36.03 | jetscreamer | been there done that too, strider_ |
| 23:36.09 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:36.18 | beta3 | bob2: Need to figure out how to add getopt to configure.in |
| 23:36.21 | cam | when i do : apt-get --reinstall install vim-gtk i have the following error : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gtk_1%3a6.2-154+1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/vim', which is also in package vim dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ; any idea ? |
| 23:36.41 | strider_ | :) |
| 23:36.48 | Segers_J | strider_: I really think that lilo got installed to the windows _partition_, not any mbr, then when grub tries to chainload the partition in question, it finds lilo. Of course I could be a blithering idiot. :) |
| 23:37.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gtk_1%3a6.2-154+1_i386.deb comes to mind, or a close facsimile thereof |
| 23:37.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 23:37.22 | derobert | Segers_J: and, of course, that's something that lilo -u could probably fix. Or the Windows installer. |
| 23:37.23 | strider_ | Segers_J: yes you are correct, if only i could remove lilo from there :) |
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| 23:37.31 | strider_ | Segers_J: what |
| 23:37.33 | strider_ | Segers_J: NO |
| 23:37.37 | jetscreamer | Segers_J, yeah those are the correct words |
| 23:37.38 | strider_ | Segers_J: not the windows partition |
| 23:37.40 | strider_ | no way |
| 23:37.48 | cam | damn i tried a --force-overwrite only .. |
| 23:37.53 | derobert | strider_: lilo -u should be able to remove it from that partiton.... |
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| 23:37.55 | jetscreamer | strider, it's an hda vs hda1 thing |
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| 23:38.58 | derobert | jetscreamer: or rather a hda vs. hda1 vs. hdb vs. hdb1 vs. wetware error thing. Come one, come all, see the fight of the second! |
| 23:39.15 | jetscreamer | hell my shit works |
| 23:39.16 | paulswm | strider_: I just had a thought; where did you install LILO? in /dev/dea or /dev/hda1 or where? |
| 23:39.16 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:39.20 | Active2 | i've setup a computer for ldap (edited the files libnss-ldap.conf pam_ldap.conf ldap/ldap.conf nsswitch.conf) and now he is giving the following error: "Authentication service cannot retrieve info" |
| 23:39.21 | Active2 | how can i solve this ? |
| 23:39.36 | paulswm | s/dea/hda/ |
| 23:39.50 | bipolar | can anyone here help me get my nvidia card drivers working? I'm running the 2.6 kernel, using the installer made for it. When the module loads it says it cant find the IRQ for my Nvidia card, even though lspci clearly says it's IRQ 11. I've followed the instructions to check the BIOS to no avail. |
| 23:40.01 | bipolar | I can't figure out what the problem is. |
| 23:40.14 | jetscreamer | never seen can't find irq |
| 23:40.32 | strider_ | paulswm: hda1 |
| 23:40.37 | jetscreamer | you check /var/log/nvidia-installer? |
| 23:40.41 | bob2 | bipolar: /topic |
| 23:40.49 | dexcophan | 2.6 is incompatible with nvidia driver, u need to find the patch |
| 23:40.59 | paulswm | strider_: ok, then it's not the MBR |
| 23:40.59 | dexcophan | ask ppl in #nvidia |
| 23:41.03 | hackeron | is there anyway to tail the beginning of the file rather than the end? |
| 23:41.13 | De_Mon | or just look at the topic in #nvidia :) |
| 23:41.15 | bipolar | dexcophan: done that. I'll join #nvidia and see if they can help. thanks bob2, i'm blind. |
| 23:41.16 | Active2 | paulswm: www.minion.de |
| 23:41.22 | De_Mon | hackeron head |
| 23:41.35 | jetscreamer | my test11 nvidia works, i use apt-get for sources |
| 23:41.42 | strider_ | well as concluded there are 2 problems, the LILO issue and the architecture issue |
| 23:41.53 | paulswm | Active2: ??? |
| 23:41.56 | strider_ | i shall try using LILO |
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| 23:41.59 | jetscreamer | strider yo ucould have reinstalled debian and had zp working by now |
| 23:42.03 | jetscreamer | xp |
| 23:42.06 | paulswm | strider_: try this: |
| 23:42.10 | strider_ | jetscreamer: well |
| 23:42.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:42.24 | mwilson | When was there an installer made for nVidia under 2.6? |
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| 23:42.29 | Active2 | paulswm: there can you find the instructions howto install the nvidia driver |
| 23:42.35 | strider_ | jetscreamer: well i want to be able to unplug any of the disks, seperately |
| 23:42.39 | bipolar | mwilson: it's in the topic in #nvidia |
| 23:42.47 | Deimos_ | Hello, anyone can tell me how to disable spoof protection on debian plz ? |
| 23:42.47 | strider_ | jetscreamer: i dont wanna be nound to using dual boot |
| 23:42.53 | jetscreamer | mwilson the stock 5328 works well with my hand rolled test 11 |
| 23:42.56 | strider_ | bound |
| 23:43.08 | jetscreamer | the minion patches worked well with test9 |
| 23:43.12 | mwilson | bipolar: Uh, that's the minion.de hack. |
| 23:43.14 | jasonpm | anyone know an apt source for Xfree86 4.4 debs? |
| 23:43.15 | strider_ | jetscreamer: i wasnt aware of these restrictions |
| 23:43.26 | jetscreamer | nound to using dual boot? |
| 23:43.27 | bipolar | mwilson: they built an installer using it. |
| 23:43.28 | mwilson | jasonpm: XFree 4.4.0 would have to exist, first. |
| 23:43.31 | paulswm | strider_: ls /boot/boot.* |
| 23:43.37 | bipolar | mwilson: so you don't have to fool around with patching it. |
| 23:43.44 | jasonpm | mwilson: the release candidate |
| 23:43.45 | paulswm | strider_: any files like that still there |
| 23:43.46 | mwilson | jasonpm: Since it does not, well, there's not much chance og there being debs for it. |
| 23:43.52 | jetscreamer | strider_, grub or lilo wil work fine |
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| 23:44.04 | fcrick | how do i accept a dcc in BitchX? |
| 23:44.06 | jasonpm | damn |
| 23:44.13 | greycat | ask #bitchx |
| 23:44.14 | jetscreamer | and with a little work/research you can use the xp boot loader to choose debian if youwant |
| 23:44.20 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.23 | fcrick | greycat: doesn't exit |
| 23:44.25 | fcrick | exist |
| 23:44.33 | greycat | 18:44 #bitchx 1 if ( [Homer.Simpson] use [BitchX] ) { say D'OH! D'OH! D'OH! } |
| 23:44.37 | greycat | hmm... where'd they all go? |
| 23:44.39 | mwilson | fcrick: Or better yet, actually bother learning how to use your client? |
| 23:44.48 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.50 | strider_ | paulswm: 3 files there |
| 23:44.59 | bob2 | woo, I got my christmas wish! |
| 23:45.06 | bob2 | #bitchx is gone! |
| 23:45.07 | mwilson | That wish being? |
| 23:45.09 | mwilson | ah |
| 23:45.10 | bipolar | how do I tell if acpi is turned on or off? |
| 23:45.12 | greycat | haha |
| 23:45.24 | bipolar | I have the append line in lilo but I'm not sure if it worked. |
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| 23:45.32 | jetscreamer | bipolar did yo ucompile acpi support in? |
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| 23:45.38 | raVen235i | anyone here use ezbounce |
| 23:45.39 | bipolar | jetscreamer: yes. |
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| 23:45.45 | greycat | bob2: but the law of conservation of l33t1st sh1t says that they can never be destroyed -- just transformed into some other channel |
| 23:45.45 | hackeron | De_Mon: err, how do I get it to show new lines as they appear in file like with tail -f? |
| 23:45.53 | beta3 | bob2: what do I add to configure.in to look for getopt.h |
| 23:45.55 | raVen235i | anyone here use ezbounce |
| 23:45.56 | netbrain | how do i setuid mplayer to root? |
| 23:45.58 | bipolar | jetscreamer: I have append="acpi=off" in lilo.conf |
| 23:46.02 | jetscreamer | dunno then |
| 23:46.04 | bob2 | greycat: #gentoo will pick up the slack immediately. |
| 23:46.06 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:46.12 | jetscreamer | yo want it off |
| 23:46.15 | jetscreamer | dunno |
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| 23:46.18 | bob2 | raVen235i: you need to keep asking that over and over. |
| 23:46.18 | mwilson | netbrain: If you can't even figure that out, the last thing anyone wants to do is tell you. |
| 23:46.20 | bipolar | just want to make sure it's turned off. |
| 23:46.21 | bettlebrox | jasonpm: 4.4 was only released on Dec 27. give it some time and there will be expiermental debs of it |
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| 23:46.30 | raVen235i | bob2 erm yes |
| 23:46.36 | raVen235i | sorry |
| 23:46.37 | Tchiak | everytime i try to upgrade my kernel to a 2.4.16-686 it keeps causing a kernel panic saying it doesn't know where the root is |
| 23:46.41 | Tchiak | how cna i fix this in lilo? |
| 23:46.49 | bob2 | raVen235i: are you taking a survey or asking for help? |
| 23:46.50 | jetscreamer | up? |
| 23:46.57 | greycat | Tchiak: you didn't build your disk driver or your root FS driver into your kernel |
| 23:46.59 | paulswm | those are the saved lilo boot sectors. see "man lilo". You could figure out which is the one for /dev/hda1, save it somewhere, install lilo on /dev/hda1 again, overwrite the boot.* file with the one you saved, then lilo -u to have it fix the hda1 boot sector (see man lilo) |
| 23:46.59 | mwilson | bettlebrox: Actually, XF440 hasn't been released yet. |
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| 23:47.01 | jetscreamer | tchiak did you do the initrd thing? |
| 23:47.09 | bipolar | ACPI: Subsystem revision 20031002 |
| 23:47.09 | bipolar | ACPI: Interpreter disabled. |
| 23:47.09 | bipolar | ACPI: ACPI tables contain no PCI IRQ routing entries |
| 23:47.10 | bettlebrox | http://www.xfree86.org/rel440.html |
| 23:47.12 | raVen235i | asking help |
| 23:47.17 | bipolar | That right there worries me |
| 23:47.20 | bettlebrox | just not linked to on they're main page |
| 23:47.21 | Tchiak | i'm installing the kernel from dselect |
| 23:47.24 | raVen235i | cause i change the sample config |
| 23:47.26 | beta3 | bob2: C isn't too dificult |
| 23:47.29 | raVen235i | but it doesnt want to work |
| 23:47.45 | beta3 | bob2: getopt was much nicer to use than argv[1] |
| 23:47.49 | mwilson | bettlebrox: Doesn't matter, it's wrong. |
| 23:47.51 | jasonpm | i've got a mobility radeon 9600 on a laptop with a 1920x1200 display using ATI's fglrx driver.. everything seems to work fine (looking in XFree86.log) except the LCD doesn't display anything.. does anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:47.52 | strider_ | paulswm: emacs |
| 23:48.01 | netbrain | mwilson: is it that obvious? |
| 23:48.09 | paulswm | strider_: although, if I were you, I'd ditch grub and just use lilo |
| 23:48.15 | bettlebrox | mwilson: the main page links to 4.3 as the latest release, but 4.4 was released on dec 27, they probbly have not updated they're site |
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| 23:48.22 | bob2 | raVen235i: so ask your question then. |
| 23:48.33 | strider_ | paulswm: i will do just that |
| 23:48.33 | mwilson | bettlebrox: You've decided this for them, of course. |
| 23:48.34 | paulswm | strider_: emacs? |
| 23:48.36 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.41 | jetscreamer | Tchiak, |
| 23:48.49 | bob2 | beta3: ok. it'll come with an autoconf macro, hopefully, so you just add AC_CHECK_FOR_GETOPT or something to configure.ac |
| 23:48.50 | bettlebrox | mwilson: see the link: http://www.xfree86.org/rel440.html |
| 23:48.53 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:48.56 | Tchiak | ok |
| 23:48.59 | paulswm | strider_: you are a better person for learning all this :) |
| 23:49.00 | mosty | bettlebrox: http://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/ does not appear to include 4.4.0 |
| 23:49.02 | strider_ | paulswm: i was just clumsy there(emacs line) |
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| 23:49.12 | jetscreamer | and type lilo |
| 23:49.29 | jetscreamer | tthese are things yhou need to do, so it was a question like did you |
| 23:49.31 | mwilson | http://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40xfree86.org/msg04479.html |
| 23:49.39 | magix | kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1936941424 is not supported |
| 23:49.44 | magix | whats wrong ? |
| 23:49.47 | strider_ | i will probably have to reinstall XP again , according to jetscreamer |
| 23:49.52 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:49.57 | mwilson | bettlebrox: Somehow I think I'm more likely to take Daniel's word as to a release schedule than yours. |
| 23:49.57 | hackeron | Anyone knows a way to monitor the output of the last showing entries as they appear? sometime like tail -f but for entries that appear at the BEGINNING of the output, not end? |
| 23:49.58 | paulswm | strider_: no you won't |
| 23:50.08 | jetscreamer | strider_, only if you just *have* to move the hd it's on |
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| 23:50.20 | mosty | hackeron: tail -f the log file that "last" reads |
| 23:50.25 | jetscreamer | and that's a maybe |
| 23:50.32 | strider_ | well wont linux hd complain about being moved ? |
| 23:50.32 | Tchiak | jetscreamer: Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory\ |
| 23:50.40 | mosty | hackeron: er, entries don't appear at the beginning of files |
| 23:50.44 | bipolar | damnit... #nvidia is dead |
| 23:50.48 | bettlebrox | mwilson: all i'm saying is that the xfree86 consortium has has a webpage that claims that 4.4 was released on dec 27 2003: http://www.xfree86.org/rel440.html\ |
| 23:50.55 | jetscreamer | Tchiak, ls -lA /boot |
| 23:50.59 | jetscreamer | and ls / |
| 23:51.00 | paulswm | strider_: you actually *never* have to reinstall XP unless the XP installation is messed up |
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| 23:51.15 | raVen235i | bob2, i use apt-get install ezbounce |
| 23:51.22 | raVen235i | bob2, now how do i config it |
| 23:51.22 | bettlebrox | mwilson: if the info is incorrect then it is not my fault but the webmasters at xfree86.org |
| 23:51.23 | jetscreamer | paste in flood |
| 23:51.39 | strider_ | well when i installed debian, hdb was unplugged |
| 23:51.50 | mwilson | bettlebrox: You'll note that the ftp site still points to 4.3.0 as current, and in fact has no 4.4.0 directory. You'll note that the page you point to is (a) full of broken links, (b) inconsistent in the versions it mentions. |
| 23:52.06 | magix | kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1936941424 is not supported |
| 23:52.06 | De_Mon | paulswm opposed to what? |
| 23:52.07 | Tchiak | one moment |
| 23:52.08 | magix | whats wrong ? |
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| 23:52.16 | strider_ | will not this cause problems if i make debian slave and xp master ? |
| 23:52.19 | l4vim | helo |
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| 23:52.21 | bob2 | raVen235i: by reading the documentation? |
| 23:52.23 | Tchiak | would you like me to post that to your privmsg? |
| 23:52.23 | mwilson | bettlebrox: Just because you scraped their site and fond a random HTML file saying 4.4.0 is released means nothing. |
| 23:52.28 | jetscreamer | ls -l / and ls /boot rather |
| 23:52.28 | strider_ | hope you understand what i mean |
| 23:52.29 | strider_ | :) |
| 23:52.29 | bob2 | raVen235i: it comes with NO docuemtnation? |
| 23:52.33 | bob2 | raVen235i: nothing on the web? |
| 23:52.37 | paulswm | De_Mon: ??? |
| 23:52.39 | strider_ | my english becomes worse late at night ;) |
| 23:52.45 | l4vim | what did I forget that I cannot change any mode by hdparm ? |
| 23:52.49 | De_Mon | paulswm have you moved an Xp installed hd to different hardware? |
| 23:52.57 | bettlebrox | mwilson: true, but no need to be so pedantic and nasty about it |
| 23:52.57 | jetscreamer | Tchiak, ls -l / and ls /boot rather |
| 23:53.01 | l4vim | i meen in 2.6.0 kernel |
| 23:53.03 | De_Mon | 06:53PM <paulswm> strider_: you actually *never* have to reinstall XP unless the XP installation is messed up |
| 23:53.06 | mwilson | bettlebrox: RC2 is there and dated Dec 24th. |
| 23:53.09 | l4vim | on the old one all works fine |
| 23:53.12 | paulswm | De_Mon: I have moved XP all over the place on my PC |
| 23:53.20 | hackeron | mosty: dude, yes they do, with the last command they do atleast |
| 23:53.33 | mwilson | bettlebrox: Yes, telling you that you're wrong is CERTAINLY being "nasty". I should have certainly let you continue spreading mis-information, instead. |
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| 23:53.55 | paulswm | De_Mon: yes, that's correct. you can move it to a different drive or partition, and it works fine, you just have to be careful about the procedure, is all |
| 23:54.05 | raVen235i | bob2, i am looking for docs |
| 23:54.11 | mosty | hackeron: no last just prints them in reverse order |
| 23:54.17 | bettlebrox | mwilson: i never claimed it was released, all i said was the following page said it was. it's is entirely up to the reader to make they're own mind up |
| 23:54.30 | mosty | hackeron: what do you want to do? just have a terminal showing users as they login? |
| 23:54.35 | bob2 | raVen235i: dpkg -L ezbounce |
| 23:54.43 | raVen235i | i installed it |
| 23:54.58 | bob2 | uh, indeed. |
| 23:55.01 | raVen235i | bob2, i just need to config it it installed in /usr/share/ezbounce |
| 23:55.01 | De_Mon | paulswm try hooking it in a friends PC who uses completely different hardware (ide controllers not the same) |
| 23:55.03 | bob2 | so run that command |
| 23:55.18 | raVen235i | bob2, erm what command |
| 23:55.30 | paulswm | De_Mon: well of course you can't move it to a different box because of the HAL |
| 23:55.32 | IVS | paulswm: does moving around XP make it better? like... it dodges virii? |
| 23:55.39 | dexcophan | how to upgrade to kernel 2.4.18 from 2.2.20? |
| 23:55.49 | hackeron | mosty: yes |
| 23:55.50 | mosty | dexcophan: which release? |
| 23:55.50 | paulswm | IVS: reconfiguring partitions, adding drives... |
| 23:55.55 | dexcophan | woody |
| 23:55.57 | hackeron | mosty: how do I do that? |
| 23:55.58 | paulswm | geez |
| 23:56.04 | jetscreamer | dexcophan, that's *down* |
| 23:56.05 | De_Mon | paulswm yes, of course.. only that line i pasted doesnt show that knowledge |
| 23:56.09 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:56.11 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 23:56.29 | mosty | hackeron: then tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:56.45 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 then apt-get install the_version_you_want |
| 23:56.47 | paulswm | De_Mon: I said that you never have to reinstall XP, I said nothing moving it to a different box, geez |
| 23:56.51 | De_Mon | *never* say *never* unless it really is the case |
| 23:56.59 | mwilson | Do people actually have nothing better to do than scrape XFree86.org? |
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| 23:57.15 | raVen235i | bob2, erm |
| 23:57.22 | bob2 | raVen235i: the one I just gave you. |
| 23:57.26 | paulswm | De_Mon: never |
| 23:57.38 | daif | hello |
| 23:57.43 | raVen235i | bob2, it is installed |
| 23:57.57 | bob2 | raVen235i: are you reading the words I'm saying? |
| 23:58.04 | bob2 | raVen235i: dpkg -L ezbounce | grep doc |
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| 23:58.09 | daif | why debian dose not support arabic ? |
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| 23:58.23 | De_Mon | aw hell |
| 23:58.26 | hackeron | mosty: because there's no IP number in auth.log |
| 23:58.27 | metalifloyd | anyone know how to setup a video capture card in debian? I have a pinnacle dv500 |
| 23:58.29 | mwilson | daif: Really? When did you remove that support? |
| 23:58.34 | hackeron | mosty: I must have IP number where users are logging in from |
| 23:58.54 | hackeron | mosty: besides, it only logs ssh attempts |
| 23:58.55 | daif | it is not in arabic |
| 23:58.56 | Tchiak | jetscreamer did you get that privmsg? |
| 23:59.11 | bob2 | daif: it's not in dutch by default, either. |
| 23:59.13 | hackeron | mosty: oh wait, sorry, there is IP, just messy output |
| 23:59.23 | hackeron | mosty: still, only shows SSH, I want all login attempts |
| 23:59.41 | magix | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 23:59.41 | magix | ipt_state 608 9 (autoclean) |
| 23:59.41 | magix | ip_conntrack 12684 1 (autoclean) [ipt_state] |
| 23:59.41 | magix | ipt_limit 960 1 (autoclean) |
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| 23:59.48 | mosty | auth.log shows more than just ssh logins |
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| 23:59.58 | LoRez | magix: don't do that |
