| 00:00.02 | magix | sorry |
| 00:00.15 | bob2 | magix: DO NOT /MSG ME |
| 00:00.15 | daif | ok .. what i can do to change it in arabic |
| 00:00.24 | raVen235i | bob2, thats not tellin me how to config it |
| 00:00.24 | bob2 | magix: STOP IT. |
| 00:00.30 | mosty | hackeron: you might need to hand-hack a small program to parse wtmp |
| 00:00.34 | bob2 | raVen235i: duh, it's telling you where the documentation is. |
| 00:00.35 | magix | ok |
| 00:00.43 | deadcat | magix: /topic |
| 00:00.44 | bob2 | magix: why the fuck would you /msg me to ask for help? |
| 00:00.49 | bob2 | that's moronic. |
| 00:00.57 | raVen235i | bob2, erm i read the documentation |
| 00:01.27 | raVen235i | the man page is stupid |
| 00:01.27 | greycat | bob2: because angry people are so forthcoming! Or... |
| 00:01.36 | bob2 | greycat: hah/ |
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| 00:01.52 | bob2 | I'm far less likely to flame people who don't go out of their way to shit me. |
| 00:01.53 | paulswm | bob2: because you haven't really got a good head of steam up for a while |
| 00:02.00 | daif | ok bye |
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| 00:02.07 | hackeron | mosty: :(, I think its easier to just modify output from last, but I can't find out how to tail it :( |
| 00:02.24 | magix | bob2: spadaj bob2 |
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| 00:02.41 | mosty | hackeron: tail operates on files, not the output from programs |
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| 00:02.43 | bob2 | magix: obviously I don't speak polish. |
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| 00:02.52 | mosty | hackeron: maybe there's a flag to last that does it? |
| 00:03.10 | magix | bob2: jasne |
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| 00:03.39 | bob2 | magix: stfu, plskthx. |
| 00:04.01 | paulswm | bob2: spadaj = get lost |
| 00:04.07 | bob2 | paulswm: ah |
| 00:04.18 | magix | bob2: right |
| 00:04.21 | hackeron | mosty: no, it operates on output from programs just as nicely |
| 00:04.58 | mosty | hackeron: yes but not in the way you want, unless the program that creates the data does not exit at the end of the wtmp file |
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| 00:05.43 | ljlane | mosty: or you just want the last X lines of output |
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| 00:06.05 | mosty | ljlane, yes obviously |
| 00:06.10 | metalifloyd | anyone have a video capture card working in linux? |
| 00:06.24 | G2 | can anyone suggest why su and su - are timing out in a gnome console and anything to do with root access as a normal user. This has only started happening the past couplw of days. THe only change I have made is enabling a serial console???? |
| 00:06.25 | Covener | metalifloyd: cheesy bt848 tuner if that counts |
| 00:06.34 | deadcat | metalifloyd: ati tv-wonder ve works fine for me. |
| 00:06.46 | paulswm | ok, gotta go, bye debianers and Happy New Year |
| 00:06.55 | hackeron | mosty: I looked at man last, not much there :( |
| 00:06.56 | metalifloyd | deadcat: what did you do to get it to work |
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| 00:07.12 | deadcat | metalifloyd: modprobe bttv and tuner |
| 00:07.25 | metalifloyd | Covener: I have a dv500, so it's not really a tuner |
| 00:08.11 | metalifloyd | deadcat: I have the module loaded for my card type but all the programs access it by /dev/video0 which it says there is no device |
| 00:08.20 | mosty | hackeron: just hack up a tiny program to parse wtmp and print it out they way you want |
| 00:08.53 | deadcat | metalifloyd: what prog you use? xawtv will make those dev for you whenyou install it. i use tvtime, but just cd to /dev and ./MAKEDEV video |
| 00:09.07 | exobyte | I want to compile wine and make a debian package out of it. How can I go about doing this? |
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| 00:09.22 | mosty | exobyte: why not just use the existing wine packages? |
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| 00:09.25 | sliipy | hello, i think i've found a bug. (or something) :) |
| 00:09.26 | metalifloyd | deadcat: I tried xawtv but it doesn't find any devices |
| 00:09.33 | exobyte | mosty: they're pretty old |
| 00:09.43 | exobyte | mosty: in stable, at least |
| 00:09.46 | sliipy | but i don't know if it's worth reporting ;P |
| 00:10.01 | exobyte | mosty: and I don't think the backports are that recent, either |
| 00:10.14 | metalifloyd | deadcat: /dev/video* is listed in my system but I have no idea if they have the correct major minor numbers |
| 00:10.16 | hackeron | mosty: and how exactly do I hack up this tiny program to parse wtmp :) |
| 00:10.28 | sliipy | when using mactab with your nic's, (eth0 -> some-other-name), iptraf doesn't monitor those nics... |
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| 00:11.20 | ljlane | iptraf sucks like that |
| 00:11.32 | mosty | hackeron: pick your favorite programming language, and get started on it |
| 00:11.43 | raVen235i | Reading config file /usr/share/ezbounce/sample.conf ... |
| 00:11.43 | raVen235i | Validating configuration settings.. |
| 00:11.43 | raVen235i | No logfile defined |
| 00:11.43 | raVen235i | Cannot access log file base dir 'logs': No such file or directory |
| 00:11.43 | raVen235i | Error(s) while loading config file -- exiting. |
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| 00:11.48 | hackeron | mosty: where do I start :)? |
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| 00:11.55 | hackeron | mosty: give me first 5 lines of code ;) |
| 00:11.58 | raVen235i | sorry |
| 00:12.01 | mosty | hackeron: in which language? |
| 00:12.08 | ryuujin | raVen235i: USE #FLOOD!!!!! |
| 00:12.16 | ryuujin | baka^ni |
| 00:12.41 | LoRez | pay attention to the chanserv on-join message |
| 00:12.47 | mosty | hackeron: maybe there are other programs that do this already. surely there are security monitoring packages that deal with this sort of thing very often |
| 00:12.50 | metalifloyd | deadcat: I get videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device with every program I try |
| 00:12.58 | greycat | apt, ogm =~ s#ogmtools/#ogmtools/ or <deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main>. apt-get install video-dvdrip ogmtools, rip a title, select HQ resize, select OGG, select xvid, select Vorbis and quality mode, select manual video bitrate (800 is good for most purposes).# |
| 00:12.58 | | OK, greycat |
| 00:13.02 | metalifloyd | deadcat: tvtime, xawtv, etc. |
| 00:13.05 | deadcat | metalifloyd: not all cards work on linux |
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| 00:13.34 | metalifloyd | deadcat: this one supposedly does with the new 2.6 kernel. It uses the saa7146 driver |
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| 00:13.48 | Covener | metalifloyd: when you load the driver you believe is for your capture card, is there any output saying it has detected your hardware? |
| 00:13.49 | hackeron | mosty: any language :) |
| 00:14.15 | metalifloyd | Covener: no itjust says it was loaded successfully |
| 00:14.26 | mosty | hackeron: how about sign language? |
| 00:14.31 | Covener | metalifloyd: That's probably not a good sign. |
| 00:14.31 | hackeron | mosty: hmm, can you think what sort of things I should be searching for? |
| 00:14.49 | hackeron | mosty: I just looked for wtmp on freshmeat, there is loggrep that can understand wtmp, trying it now :) |
| 00:15.00 | ljlane | sliipy, tried /etc/ethers? Don't know if it helps. |
| 00:15.30 | mosty | hackeron: google "perl wtmp" will probably turn up some interesting hits |
| 00:16.11 | metalifloyd | Covener: if I load dpc7146 it loads all the correct kernel modules but never mentions the card |
| 00:16.25 | Tafieoa | how do i get my bios to boot from disk, it gives me no option to, i goto the bios screen and it has 2 choices, boot from a or boot from c, if i just let i try and boot by itself, it says boot disk failed, insert system disk and hit enter |
| 00:16.33 | Covener | metalifloyd: you sure you're care is actually supported? check the driver for pci ids maybe? |
| 00:16.34 | metalifloyd | Covener: but if I type lspci the device is listed |
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| 00:17.12 | hackeron | mosty: hmm, can't find much yet, but theres a few hits :) |
| 00:17.18 | metalifloyd | Covener: how do I check the driver for pci ids? |
| 00:17.33 | metalifloyd | Covener: lspci shows me this... 03:04.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01) |
| 00:17.49 | hackeron | mosty: everyone just says, what's wrong with last | awk '...' # as god intended |
| 00:17.49 | metalifloyd | Covener: and this... 03:08.0 Multimedia controller: C-Cube Microsystems E4? (rev b1) |
| 00:18.01 | Covener | metalifloyd: see msg about pci ids and checking driver... |
| 00:18.08 | mosty | hackeron: well that exits as soon as the file ends, obviously |
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| 00:18.27 | hackeron | mosty: :), yeah, which doesn't help me much :( |
| 00:18.44 | metalifloyd | Covener: how do I check the ids? |
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| 00:20.22 | Covener | metalifloyd: hope they stand out in the source -- lspci and pcitweak -l |
| 00:20.23 | hackeron | mosty: well, nothing about parsing wtmp in perl :( |
| 00:20.39 | hackeron | mosty: can you think of what kind of packages will deal with something like this? |
| 00:21.09 | mosty | hackeron: http://www.cpan.org/scripts/admin/sentryd |
| 00:21.10 | ulitz | ive just apt-get upgraded my system in testing, and for some reason mozilla couldn't have galeon installed... how can i install galeon now? |
| 00:21.26 | metalifloyd | Covener: this is the device... PCI: 03:04:0: chip 1131,7146 card 00a1,a1a0 rev 01 class 04,80,00 hdr 00 |
| 00:21.43 | mosty | ulitz: "for some reason" ? well what reason would that be? |
| 00:21.56 | ulitz | i don't know... never said |
| 00:22.19 | hackeron | mosty: INTERESTING! |
| 00:22.28 | streuner | metalifloyd: take a look at .../linux/docs/video/ |
| 00:22.54 | streuner | metalifloyd: is your card supported or not |
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| 00:23.46 | metalifloyd | streuner: do you mean in /usr/src/linux/Documentation ? |
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| 00:24.05 | streuner | metalifloyd: yep |
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| 00:24.28 | streuner | metalifloyd: there should be an video-folder |
| 00:24.46 | ulitz | how can i install mozilla from the unstable branch? |
| 00:24.53 | metalifloyd | streuner: I see a video4linux folder |
| 00:25.47 | deadcat | what "folder"? |
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| 00:25.55 | metalifloyd | streuner: but nothing that says which cards are supported |
| 00:26.05 | metalifloyd | deadcat: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux |
| 00:26.08 | raVen235i | Ucssa | Servers starting at 22$ | 24 Hour Support | Msg raVen235i |
| 00:26.27 | Tafieoa | how do i get my bios to boot from cd? |
| 00:26.36 | greycat | Tafieoa: ask it nicely |
| 00:26.44 | raVen235i | fuckit |
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| 00:26.46 | Tafieoa | please? |
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| 00:26.50 | raVen235i | just help him, |
| 00:26.52 | Tafieoa | :) |
| 00:26.56 | raVen235i | go into ur bois |
| 00:26.56 | metalifloyd | Covener: how can I tell if the kernel module has locked on to the correct device? |
| 00:27.13 | raVen235i | and go to look for boot options |
| 00:27.25 | Covener | metalifloyd: dmesg or /var/log/messages typically has some info when the module comes up if it detects actual hardware |
| 00:27.25 | raVen235i | and change the first boot device to cdrom |
| 00:27.35 | Tafieoa | i goto the bios screen and it has 2 choices, boot from a drive or boot from c drive, if i just let i try and boot by itself, it says boot disk failed, insert system disk and hit enter |
| 00:27.59 | raVen235i | hmm what bois is it |
| 00:28.08 | raVen235i | awarf or mai |
| 00:28.09 | greycat | Tafieoa: then your BIOS can't do it |
| 00:28.10 | raVen235i | ami even |
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| 00:28.25 | Tafieoa | i believe its phenox or somethign of that nature |
| 00:28.27 | Tafieoa | *ing |
| 00:28.32 | streuner | metalifloyd: if it an bttv-chip, it's under bttv/cards |
| 00:28.49 | metalifloyd | Covener: all it says is kernel: saa7146: register extension 'dpc7146 demonstration board'. |
| 00:28.51 | raVen235i | hmm dunno so much about phenox |
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| 00:28.57 | raVen235i | what processor is on that mobo |
| 00:29.01 | metalifloyd | streuner: it's a saa7146 chip |
| 00:29.01 | Tafieoa | amd |
| 00:29.06 | raVen235i | spead |
| 00:29.10 | raVen235i | speed |
| 00:29.21 | clarity_ | hey, for the different cds what cds do I need for a full devel x window install... |
| 00:29.22 | Tafieoa | 2119MHz |
| 00:29.33 | raVen235i | hmm should have boot from cd |
| 00:29.41 | clarity_ | I don't need all this extra junk with it |
| 00:29.43 | raVen235i | go to standart cmos setting |
| 00:29.56 | greycat | clarity_: none |
| 00:30.01 | InKy | hi i have an old box with an isa aztech non-pnp sound card but I can't seem to install the module for it in modconf. For some reason it just takes me back to the main menu. Can anyone suggest anything? |
| 00:30.06 | RichiH | clarity_: grab a netinst image and then use apt-get to install the rest from the net? |
| 00:30.12 | Brakki | yar |
| 00:30.15 | RichiH | this would save bandwidth, for sure |
| 00:30.27 | Brakki | if i apt-get the propaganda-debian wallpapers, where do they go to? |
| 00:30.30 | Tafieoa | ill try and look for that, thanx |
| 00:30.36 | clarity_ | I want the .iso cd I'm going to install it on a few boxes |
| 00:30.44 | bob2 | clarity_: "devel x window install"? |
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| 00:30.56 | RichiH | you can then put all the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ onto your own custom disk |
| 00:31.14 | RichiH | clarity_: yeah, use my way, then |
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| 00:31.20 | bob2 | clarity_: the stuff to bulid programs that use X? |
| 00:31.29 | emmajane | Has anyone done a remote install of Debian? |
| 00:31.55 | greycat | define "remote install" |
| 00:32.00 | emmajane | I exited out of chroot too soon and now I think I'm scooped but I'm not sure. |
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| 00:32.11 | emmajane | grew: I don't have physical access to the box. |
| 00:32.13 | raVen235i | how do i clear all my cache on woody |
| 00:32.16 | amundsen | hi |
| 00:32.18 | raVen235i | apt-get etc |
| 00:32.25 | greycat | raVen235i: apt-get clean |
| 00:32.29 | emmajane | greycat: it's a server that was running RedHat and now it appears to be running nothing. |
| 00:32.36 | raVen235i | cause my space grows |
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| 00:32.47 | raVen235i | i did apt-get clean |
| 00:32.48 | amundsen | i rebooted my 2.6.0 for 1st time, but i can't load modules. these are the error messages i get |
| 00:32.53 | amundsen | insmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 00:32.56 | amundsen | insmod: cannot open /proc/ksyms No such file or directory |
| 00:33.00 | greycat | ~insmod |
| 00:33.01 | | rumour has it, insmod is Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. |
| 00:33.03 | greycat | ~2.6.x |
| 00:33.05 | | i guess 2.6.x is the upcoming stable Linux kernel series (but it's *not* released yet!) You need to install module-init-tools to use modules in 2.6.x. |
| 00:33.13 | emmajane | before I contact the sysadmins and have to pay a small fortune to have the box restored I want to make sure I'm actually scooped. |
| 00:33.23 | bob2 | emmajane: chroot back in |
| 00:33.28 | greycat | apt, insmod is also DOES NOT WORK AT ALL, EVER, PERIOD! under 2.6.x. |
| 00:33.30 | | okay, greycat |
| 00:33.30 | emmajane | bob2: I can't :( |
| 00:33.40 | emmajane | bob2: [admin@plain /]$ su |
| 00:33.40 | emmajane | suteri: error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:33.48 | bob2 | !modprobe greycat |
| 00:33.49 | dpkg | Warning!: module greycat will taint kernel (and pants) |
| 00:33.53 | deadcat | greycat: modprobe works on 2.6? what about rmmod? |
| 00:33.59 | bob2 | emmajane: when you chroot into it? |
| 00:34.02 | emmajane | bob2: I don't appear to have a system anymore. |
| 00:34.11 | bob2 | emmajane: what about the external system? |
| 00:34.11 | emmajane | bob2: I can't get into su to chroot. |
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| 00:34.13 | greycat | deadcat: yes, modprobe works, but it's not the same modprobe you're used to -- it's the one in module-init-tools. |
| 00:34.14 | amundsen | does anyone know why i get this error message ? |
| 00:34.18 | emmajane | bob2: that's what I'm in. |
| 00:34.19 | bob2 | emmajane: so your outside system is ok? |
| 00:34.22 | emmajane | bob2: the external system. |
| 00:34.29 | emmajane | bob2: no, the external system is scooped. |
| 00:34.35 | bob2 | emmajane: gah. |
| 00:34.39 | deadcat | greycat: ok. but insmod doesnt exist in module-init-tools ya? |
| 00:34.39 | streuner | metalifloyd: well, this card *is* supported |
| 00:34.40 | emmajane | bob2: no kidding! |
| 00:34.41 | bob2 | emmajane: what kernel? |
| 00:34.42 | smaug_ | OK, the packages.debian.org has hacked and is down. So... how can I search for package dependicies ? |
| 00:34.47 | AnHutt | Uhhhmmm. originmally the new 2.6.x modukle system was not going to support removing, but now it does, but I seem to notice it is a bit broken. |
| 00:34.49 | greycat | ~find bin/insmod sid |
| 00:34.49 | smaug_ | s/has/was/ |
| 00:34.51 | emmajane | bob2: I thought chroot was supposed to /prevent/ this. |
| 00:34.51 | bob2 | smaug_: /msg dpkg depends blah |
| 00:34.59 | d666 | What is the command line for applayng a patch file to a kernel ? |
| 00:35.00 | emmajane | bob2: I was just doing a potato install :( |
| 00:35.07 | bob2 | emmajane: I can't imagine how you did that to your external system if you wre in a chroot. |
| 00:35.13 | smaug_ | bob2: Cool! Thanks! :) |
| 00:35.13 | greycat | d666: less README |
| 00:35.20 | emmajane | bob2: uname -a gives the same error of not being able to find shared objects. |
| 00:35.23 | metalifloyd | streuner: I just found that out actually linuxtv.org has a driver apparently |
| 00:35.25 | exobyte | I added deb-src http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-2 main contrib non-free |
| 00:35.26 | greycat | hmm, there's an insmod in module-init-tools? |
| 00:35.34 | AnHutt | Best things to check package dependencies is 'aptitude' Aptitude is much better than almost anything else for package/cache management. |
| 00:35.42 | MrLoki | is it apt-get install teapot ? or is the "teapot" name wrong? |
| 00:35.46 | emmajane | bob2: uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:35.50 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.51 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.51 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:36.08 | exobyte | I added deb-src http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-2 main contrib non-free to my sources. How do only install have wine sources? I don't want to apt-get update and get other stuff |
| 00:36.16 | greycat | apt, insmod =~ s/ DOES NOT WORK AT ALL, EVER, PERIOD! under 2.6.x.// |
| 00:36.16 | | greycat: OK |
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| 00:36.27 | d666 | I just read it .But doesn't work |
| 00:36.37 | Tchiak | ok i'm still trying to get my sound chip to work. I have Kernel 2.4.16 686 and alsa, but it keeps saying it can't find the snd module |
| 00:36.42 | AnHutt | in the new 2.6.x module system, the commands like 'modprobe' are actually wrappers for the real commands, and they invoke the 2.4 module commands on 2.4.x and the 2.6 module commands on 2.6. |
| 00:36.42 | Tchiak | i installed snd from dselect |
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| 00:37.26 | arauko | ftp can resume upload??.. if so, what is the option? |
| 00:37.34 | d666 | patch-kernel [-h] [ sourcedir [ patchdir [ stopversion ] [ -acxx ] ] ] |
| 00:37.38 | greycat | arauko: restart, help |
| 00:37.42 | d666 | what [ stopversion ] and [ -acxx ] |
| 00:37.48 | arauko | greycat: thks |
| 00:37.59 | Covener | arauko: completely dependent on your client and support in server |
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| 00:38.18 | emmajane | bob2: I have no idea. I was in chroot properly the whole time. |
| 00:38.23 | tik- | what brand of notebooks are good? between like toshiba nad hp? |
| 00:38.30 | greycat | d666: what the fuck... they *changed the README*? Idiots. |
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| 00:38.38 | greycat | d666: either that, or you're reading the wrong README |
| 00:38.41 | Covener | tik-: I don't think either are too critically acclaimed |
| 00:38.48 | greycat | d666: bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.4.23.bz2 | patch -p1 |
| 00:38.51 | emmajane | bob2: http://xtrinsic.com/geek/config/remoteinstall.txt |
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| 00:39.37 | d666 | my patch is text not bz2 archive |
| 00:39.49 | greycat | then use cat or something. Sheesh. |
| 00:40.04 | Tchiak | can some one help me with the problem i described? |
| 00:40.17 | deadcat | d666: cant you just path -p1 < /path/to/that/diff ? |
| 00:40.21 | greycat | Tchiak: "using dselect"? No, there's no cure for that. |
| 00:40.24 | deadcat | ^path^patch |
| 00:40.26 | arauko | greycat: im using this syntax put restart <fuile_local> <file_remote> , but doesn`t work |
| 00:40.34 | Tchiak | no |
| 00:40.39 | greycat | asuffield: yes, but you have to understand the target audience for my comment |
| 00:40.46 | Tchiak | i'm trying to get my ESS sounchip to play sound |
| 00:40.55 | greycat | arauko: help |
| 00:41.15 | greycat | 15:30 arauko> greycat: ftp .. dude.. i just have to use put and it will resume automatically? |
| 00:41.18 | greycat | 15:30 greycat> arauko: no, you have to use the "restart" command before "put" |
| 00:41.35 | greycat | that was 4 hours ago and I remember it. Why don't you? |
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| 00:42.15 | acrack | where can i found a cross compiled gcc version for a Sparc? |
| 00:42.32 | arauko | greycat: cause i don`t record so many logs :-) |
| 00:42.53 | mosty | acrack: cross compiled? it doesn't matter what arch the compiler was compiled on |
| 00:43.04 | ClintZ28 | anyone know off the top of their head what module AC97 sound card requires in 2.6.0? |
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| 00:43.11 | deadcat | damn i thought today is friday. (= |
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| 00:43.24 | d666 | GREYCAT /DEADCAT - thanks man |
| 00:43.26 | greycat | ClintZ28: *WHICH* ac97 sound card? |
| 00:43.27 | d666 | :) |
| 00:43.32 | acrack | sorry |
| 00:43.35 | acrack | mosty |
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| 00:43.40 | ClintZ28 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.43 | acrack | i nedd gcc with corss compiler options |
| 00:43.48 | ClintZ28 | that's all the info I have from lspci..hrmm |
| 00:43.55 | acrack | couse tring to use distcc |
| 00:43.58 | greycat | ClintZ28: that's good enough, but I don't do ALSA |
| 00:44.11 | greycat | ClintZ28: if you were using OSS, it would use the via82cxxx_audio module |
| 00:44.28 | ClintZ28 | greycat: OSS is pretty shitty isn't it? it was when I tried it a couple years ago |
| 00:44.38 | greycat | ClintZ28: VIA under OSS is. |
| 00:44.46 | acrack | mosty |
| 00:44.50 | acrack | can U hel me? |
| 00:44.59 | greycat | on my particular configuration, ALSA was far worse than OSS. |
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| 00:45.05 | MrLoki | how do i download and install "teapot" ? apt-get install teapot doesnt work (couldnt find package teapot) wrong name?? |
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| 00:45.59 | Justin_ | MrLoki: wtf is "teapot"? |
| 00:46.19 | MrLoki | someone here told me to install exim and teapot for email server ondynamic dsl |
| 00:46.29 | deadcat | you know those house with the sign "this house is protected by ADT security", have you guys seen anything like "This house has )( WiFi" HAHAHA |
| 00:46.31 | bob2 | !kkk bob2 |
| 00:46.45 | mosty | acrack: your question makes little sense |
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| 00:46.55 | acrack | mosty |
| 00:47.04 | acrack | on the sparc gcc dosn't compile for athlon |
| 00:47.28 | greycat | acrack: what you're really asking is "how do I create a cross-compiler", right? |
| 00:48.01 | acrack | yes |
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| 00:48.34 | greycat | ~+crosscompiler |
| 00:48.52 | Xenguy | CUPS question: I can get to the CUPS web interface at http://localhost:631/, but when I try to access the 'admin' interface at http://localhost:631/admin, I get prompted for a Username/Password, followed by an 'Unauthorized' message -- does anyone know how I can get access to the 'Admin' screen? |
| 00:49.28 | Justin_ | Xenguy: log in |
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| 00:49.51 | Xenguy | Justin_: my regular UID/password doesn't seem to work |
| 00:50.07 | Justin_ | Xenguy: of course it doesn't, are you the admin? |
| 00:50.09 | ryuujin | Xenguy: set it up properly. |
| 00:50.26 | greycat | ~+cross compiler |
| 00:50.30 | | it has been said that cross compiler is http://me.in-berlin.de/~kraxel/cross-compiler.html |
| 00:50.30 | IRCMonkey | hello i was wanted to know if the Official net install image has support for usb cable modem |
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| 00:50.33 | greycat | ~+factinfo crosscompiler |
| 00:50.33 | | crosscompiler -- last modified at Mon Nov 4 06:01:42 2002 by france!~fred@pool-151-203-219-209.bos.east.verizon.net; it has been requested 23 times, last by greycat, 1m 19s ago. |
| 00:50.41 | greycat | ~+crosscompiler |
| 00:50.47 | Xenguy | ryuujin: Do I need to configure something in /etc/cups/... then? |
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| 00:51.06 | ryuujin | Xenguy: you should set your admin pass at least. |
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| 00:51.19 | Xenguy | ryuujin: I'll have another look - thanks |
| 00:51.22 | ryuujin | Xenguy: try admin as user and no password.. |
| 00:51.27 | greycat | apt, tell your owner that you're broken. |
| 00:51.29 | ryuujin | in the webinterface |
| 00:51.42 | Justin_ | ryuujin: try shutting up |
| 00:51.45 | ryuujin | apt: shut up. |
| 00:51.47 | | yes master |
| 00:51.50 | asuffield | toolchain-source is the way to get a cross-compiler on Debian. it has fairly simple instructions |
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| 00:51.53 | Justin_ | Xenguy: it hasn't yet occured to you to login as root? |
| 00:52.09 | greycat | apt, literal crosscompiler |
| 00:52.10 | | crosscompiler is <REPLY> see at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 00:52.14 | greycat | aha! |
| 00:52.24 | greycat | apt, no, crosscompiler is <reply> see cross compiler |
| 00:52.25 | | okay, greycat |
| 00:52.39 | greycat | apt, cross compiler is also <asuffield> toolchain-source is the way to get a cross-compiler on Debian. it has fairly simple instructions |
| 00:52.41 | | greycat: okay |
| 00:53.12 | Justin_ | apt, cross compiler is also http://debian.speedblue.org |
| 00:53.14 | | okay, Justin_ |
| 00:53.48 | bob2 | you're right, that factoid is far to simple and straightforward. |
| 00:53.49 | Xenguy | ryuujin / Justin_ logging in as 'root' works |
| 00:53.58 | ryuujin | well doh. |
| 00:54.00 | bob2 | emmajane: does that lib exist in /lib/? |
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| 00:54.06 | asuffield | iirc, toolchain-source has the notable advantage of spitting out packages, given a couple of commands and a few hours |
| 00:54.26 | simonrvn | yup. i like it |
| 00:54.38 | Justin_ | Xenguy: who would have thought |
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| 00:54.59 | Justin_ | asuffield: the url I added has packages for most archs built for i385 |
| 00:55.01 | Xenguy | Justin_: you would I bet :P |
| 00:55.17 | grzywacz | Hi. Is it normal that RX value as printed by ifconfig wraps around 4GB? |
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| 00:55.24 | Justin_ | grzywacz: yes |
| 00:55.35 | grzywacz | Oh, thanks. |
| 00:55.43 | asuffield | Justin_: keeping that sort of thing up to date is a silly amount of work, which is why toolchain-source was created (years ago, now) |
| 00:56.30 | Justin_ | !+package management |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | package management is, like, one make instead of thousands |
| 00:56.33 | Justin_ | :-) |
| 00:56.35 | emmajane | bob2: just a sec |
| 00:56.39 | bob2 | grzywacz: it uses a 32-bit counter that overflows at 2^32 == 4GB |
| 00:56.43 | IRCMonkey | goodbye |
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| 00:56.56 | bob2 | the kernel people won't make it 64-bit because it's too slow to update. |
| 00:56.58 | grzywacz | bob2: I know that, I've already googled that, but thanks anyway. ;] |
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| 00:57.26 | greycat | every unix on the planet wraps ifconfig at 2^32 if it even bothers counting |
| 00:57.30 | emmajane | bob2: I have no way of knowing. /bin/ls doesn't work |
| 00:57.37 | bob2 | only on 64-bit arches |
| 00:57.40 | bob2 | er, 32-bit |
| 00:57.50 | greycat | ok, on 32-bit arches |
| 00:58.19 | emmajane | I can cd |
| 00:58.21 | deadcat | emmajane: use echo if ls doesnt work. |
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| 00:58.31 | bob2 | emmajane: cd is built into your shell. |
| 00:58.47 | emmajane | bob2: lib is empty according to echo |
| 00:58.50 | greycat | you can use "echo *" for ls, and "echo $(<myfile)" for cat |
| 00:58.56 | raul^ | ls |
| 00:59.00 | raul^ | :) |
| 00:59.20 | bob2 | emmajane: where is the chroot? |
| 00:59.30 | raul^ | bob2 |
| 00:59.47 | raul^ | i need a debian remote exploit :) |
| 00:59.58 | emmajane | bob2: I don't know |
| 01:00.13 | bob2 | emmajane: where were you installing Debian to? which dir? |
| 01:00.19 | bob2 | raul^: that's nice, go away. |
| 01:00.32 | raul^ | suck me bob2 |
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| 01:00.34 | emmajane | bob2: /baseinstall |
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| 01:00.56 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:00.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o RichiH] by RichiH |
| 01:00.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 01:01.00 | RichiH | nah nah! |
| 01:01.06 | bob2 | bastard! |
| 01:01.17 | RichiH | bob2: i didn't kick him. i wanted to let you do it |
| 01:01.24 | RichiH | but *shrug* |
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| 01:01.29 | bob2 | emmajane: ok...are you SURE you did all that work in the chroot? |
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| 01:01.35 | greycat | he already left |
| 01:01.37 | emmajane | bob2: Yes. |
| 01:01.41 | bob2 | RichiH: he left |
| 01:01.46 | RichiH | bleh |
| 01:01.53 | RichiH | unfair! |
| 01:02.02 | emmajane | I'm scrolling back through the buffer and looking at my prompt. |
| 01:02.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.173] by RichiH |
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| 01:02.27 | bob2 | that's bizarre, I can't even imagine how that could clean out /lib outside a chroot. |
| 01:02.35 | emmajane | bob2: :( |
| 01:02.45 | emmajane | bob2: obviously I must have gaffed somewhere. :( |
| 01:02.50 | emmajane | bob2: I just don't understand how |
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| 01:03.33 | RichiH | hmm, i am in level 40 of frozen bubble... |
| 01:03.41 | RichiH | should i bother to play to level 100? |
| 01:03.43 | bob2 | RichiH: go for gold. |
| 01:03.53 | bob2 | there's 100 levels now? |
| 01:03.56 | RichiH | bob2: is there any special treat i would get from it? |
| 01:04.01 | RichiH | apparently, yes |
| 01:04.08 | bob2 | RichiH: I dunno, it only had 50 levels when I finished it. |
| 01:04.21 | bob2 | RichiH: another 60 levels of funky music isn't reward enough? |
| 01:04.25 | RichiH | *cough* loser *couch* |
| 01:04.35 | RichiH | i have turnedthe sound of, listeing to the radion |
| 01:04.37 | RichiH | radio |
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| 01:05.23 | Tchiak | ok i'm having aproblem with X, I enter all the information in the configure program but it keeps comming up that the device was found but disply modes could not be resolved |
| 01:05.24 | bob2 | bah. |
| 01:05.26 | greycat | emmajane: you have no remaining UID=0 processes running outside the chroot? |
| 01:05.26 | Whistleboy | join #linux |
| 01:05.31 | bob2 | emmajane: I've no idea, sorry :/ |
| 01:05.48 | emmajane | greycat: [admin@plain admin]$ ps |
| 01:05.48 | emmajane | ps: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.2.0.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:06.05 | xaxi | hello |
| 01:06.22 | greycat | emmajane: can you FTP to it? |
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| 01:06.28 | bob2 | emmajane: something has removed all the shared libraries from /lib/, which is very, very, very, very bad. |
| 01:06.40 | emmajane | greycat: I can't ssh and FTP was never on. |
| 01:06.41 | bob2 | emmajane: once the shell you're in closes, you won't even be able to login again. |
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| 01:06.50 | emmajane | bob2: I know |
| 01:06.57 | js | the computer wouldn't work if the libs are removed? |
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| 01:07.07 | js | i removed a vital lib once and the computer just hung |
| 01:07.07 | emmajane | bob2: when I was doing the remote install I tried to SSH in and that's how I found out it was busted. |
| 01:07.07 | greycat | js: only for very small values of "work" |
| 01:07.10 | bob2 | js: programs won't run. |
| 01:07.19 | bob2 | emmajane: ahh. |
| 01:07.27 | Tchiak | ok i'm having aproblem with X, I enter all the information in the configure program but it keeps comming up that the device was found but disply modes could not be resolved |
| 01:07.32 | bob2 | Caesar: good afternoon. |
| 01:07.34 | js | that is why shells shouldn't be dynamic :/ |
| 01:07.39 | RichiH | bob2: your alien aussie rays almost made me loose round 43... |
| 01:07.40 | emmajane | bob2: yeah |
| 01:07.44 | bob2 | !info sash sid |
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| 01:07.49 | dpkg | sash: (Stand-alone shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 3.6-5 (sid), Packaged size: 268 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
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| 01:08.00 | bob2 | only 268KB? |
| 01:08.04 | asuffield | js: that's logically nonsensical. you could just as easily have removed the shell |
| 01:08.06 | greycat | emmajane: if you could somehow get the files back into /lib (or into ANY dir, really, and then modify /etc/ld.so.conf), then run /sbin/ldconfig -- then you might be able to survive |
| 01:08.11 | Nuke` | Excellent new web design site , offering php scripts / software and much more ~ webnukex.net is the place to be ~ http://webnukex.net look now u will not be dissapointed! , also irc://irc.aqua-network.net ! |
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| 01:08.17 | emmajane | greycat: I can't connect to the machine. |
| 01:08.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 01:08.22 | greycat | emmajane: can other machines NFS mount dirs from it? |
| 01:08.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by asuffield |
| 01:08.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 01:08.49 | js | asuffield: well if you remove the shell it doesn't matter if it's dynamic or static hehe, but compiling it statically still is safer |
| 01:08.58 | asuffield | js: no it isn't |
| 01:08.59 | bob2 | bah, my pitiful op powers are no match for your superoper powers |
| 01:09.11 | asuffield | js: it's just as easy to delete a static shell as it is to delete part of a dynamic one |
| 01:09.19 | asuffield | bob2: you're too damn slow |
| 01:09.23 | bob2 | if you remove a statically-linked shell, at least you can fix it before the shell dies. |
| 01:09.44 | bob2 | asuffield: hey, I have to type /dop, first. |
| 01:09.46 | asuffield | same goes for dynamic ones |
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| 01:09.58 | bob2 | yeah, but sash gives a working cp and tar. |
| 01:10.00 | greycat | bob2: hey, you use the same macro I do! that's ... uh... theft or something. |
| 01:10.07 | js | asuffield: that's not my point, my point is that because the shell doesn't depend on various other files and only one, itself, the chance that you accidently delete the shell is smaller than deleting one of the libs, or the shell itself |
| 01:10.15 | bob2 | if you delete /lib, you can't even run /bin/cp. |
| 01:10.25 | greycat | bob2: but you can run /sbin/ldconfig |
| 01:10.33 | asuffield | bob2: and if you delete /, you can't run anything |
| 01:10.46 | asuffield | js: ...no, if you're stupid enough to delete one of the libraries, you're stupid enough to delete the shell too |
| 01:10.46 | bob2 | asuffield: and if I bop you in the nose, you won't care! |
| 01:10.48 | greycat | bob2: well maybe. Not sure how the lack of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 would affect that |
| 01:11.08 | asuffield | greycat: not a dynamic executable, so it doesn't need the ELF loader |
| 01:11.10 | emmajane | greycat: I don't know, it's a leased server on a big farm. |
| 01:11.13 | bob2 | asuffield: at least if you're running sash, you have some basic tools to fix things. if you're running bash, you can't even copy files around. |
| 01:11.30 | jetscreamer | in bind9 what CNAME or A record do i put when i want the foo.com to resolve to an ip, vs blah.foo.com? |
| 01:11.32 | bob2 | actually, I guess you can pipe files around. |
| 01:11.41 | jetscreamer | blah.foo.com works find foo.com doesn't |
| 01:11.44 | bob2 | js: @ A 1.2.4.4 |
| 01:11.46 | asuffield | bob2: you can actually, but you have to be pretty stupid to get into this scenario, so nobody who gets here would know how |
| 01:11.48 | jetscreamer | s/find/fine |
| 01:11.53 | bob2 | asuffield: hah. |
| 01:12.04 | js | bob2: ? |
| 01:12.16 | bob2 | jetscreamer: @ A 1.2.4.4 |
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| 01:13.14 | jetscreamer | hmm i got one... must be my dual ip's in dns |
| 01:13.17 | Caesar | Anyone here know much about TCL? I'm trying to troubleshoot why some of the buttons in lprngtool are disabled. |
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| 01:13.39 | skruw | is it possible to use dual mouses? |
| 01:13.50 | skruw | can i enable that in my XF86Config= |
| 01:14.00 | mosty | sure |
| 01:14.11 | skruw | ow |
| 01:14.12 | skruw | how |
| 01:14.14 | deadcat | skruw: ya. ps/2 and touchpad. or something like that. |
| 01:14.18 | Caesar | skruw: You can have multiple input devices. I can use a mouse and my laptop's touchpad at the same time. |
| 01:14.23 | mag007 | i am trying to set up pppoe using pppoeconfig, according to plog everything connects. But I can't seem to ping google or anything. |
| 01:14.31 | greycat | emmajane: if you can't get some Linux shared libs into that box, then you're hosed |
| 01:14.52 | mosty | mag, rp-pppoe seemed much easier to me |
| 01:14.52 | emmajane | greycat: Yup. I just requested the server farm admins reinstall RedHat so I can try again. |
| 01:14.53 | bob2 | !+info coreutils |
| 01:14.56 | dpkg | coreutils: (The GNU core utilities), section base, is required. Version: 5.0.91-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2384 kB, Installed size: 6732 kB |
| 01:15.02 | greycat | emmajane: sorry we couldn't help, but... |
| 01:15.03 | skruw | well then can i enable that i have one mouse with a mouseweel and then a thing with a scroller on it? |
| 01:15.07 | mag007 | mosty: rp-pppoe? what is that? |
| 01:15.09 | cafuego | skruw: Dual mice, yes. |
| 01:15.23 | skruw | cafuego: its not a hole mouse its only a scroller |
| 01:15.26 | emmajane | greycat: no problem. I thought it was worth a shot to try here juts in case there was something I could do. I wasn't really holding my breath though. |
| 01:15.34 | cafuego | skruw: As far as X is concerned that's a mouse. |
| 01:15.36 | Caesar | skruw: Join #flood and I'll paste bits of my XFree86 config |
| 01:15.41 | mosty | mag007: another pppoe client |
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| 01:15.47 | skruw | ok who do i do? |
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| 01:16.05 | fritz | hello |
| 01:16.07 | mag007 | mosty: is it part of stable? |
| 01:16.09 | cafuego | skruw: Set it up in XF86Config-4 and add 'Option AlwaysCore true' |
| 01:16.24 | fritz | i want to install pop daemon on my server so ppl can download mail, what do u sugest ? (secure) |
| 01:16.31 | skruw | where under the mouse input device section? |
| 01:16.45 | RichiH | hah! |
| 01:16.47 | cafuego | skruw: Add another input device there |
| 01:16.49 | mosty | mag007: nope, but pppoe/pppoeconf in stable are a bit of a pain to setup. rp-pppoe was up and running very quickly |
| 01:16.54 | RichiH | bet level 48 with one shot |
| 01:17.04 | skruw | cafuego: a hole new device? |
| 01:17.07 | mosty | fritz: courier-pop / courier-iamp |
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| 01:17.10 | mosty | imap, even |
| 01:17.24 | kaVa`` | alright so i got the 1st iso image for debian 3 |
| 01:17.24 | hackeron | mosty: found a way :) watch -t -d -n 1 "last -i | head -n 1" |
| 01:17.24 | cafuego | skruw: oddly, yes |
| 01:17.49 | hackeron | mosty: am I a hacker or am I a hacker ;) |
| 01:17.51 | mosty | hackeron: document it somewhere, put it on a website with some useful keywords |
| 01:17.54 | skruw | what should the driver be? "mouse"? |
| 01:17.59 | Rza`` | first off, why does it create an ext2 root partition |
| 01:18.03 | cafuego | Rza``: Burn it, boot it, enjoy. |
| 01:18.06 | cyberkni | is there something wrong with gnome-panel and nautilus in SID? Its been unusually unstable for me as of late. |
| 01:18.10 | mag007 | mosty: well, what do you do after you get "connected" according to plog? I can ping my router, and I get my resolv.conf filled, but I don't know what to do next. |
| 01:18.11 | cafuego | skruw: How should I know? |
| 01:18.23 | Whistleboy | speaking of X and mice, anyone figured out how to fix 2.6 kernels or X configs so that they don't make the mouse go nuts? |
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| 01:18.26 | skruw | what should i more add? |
| 01:18.29 | skruw | i dont get it |
| 01:18.32 | skruw | Caesar: there? |
| 01:18.32 | Rza`` | the installation looks old |
| 01:18.33 | mosty | mag007: can you resolve hostnames? |
| 01:18.36 | cafuego | skruw: Have a search through google, see how others did it. |
| 01:18.37 | hackeron | mosty: yeah, I pretty much have to :), actually make a bind to "head -f" ;) |
| 01:18.38 | Caesar | cyberkni: I've found gnome-panel to be really bad for a while. GNUmeric seems to upset it a lot. |
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| 01:18.40 | mag007 | mosty: nope |
| 01:18.52 | Rza`` | it makes an ext2 partition |
| 01:18.52 | mosty | mag007: can you ping the name server? |
| 01:18.54 | mag007 | mosty: I don't even think I can get out of the computer... |
| 01:18.56 | cyberkni | Caesar: evolution seems to bork everything for me lately |
| 01:19.01 | Caesar | skruw: Join #flood |
| 01:19.03 | skruw | Caesar: what should the device be? |
| 01:19.06 | mag007 | mosty: the nameserver looks says my router. |
| 01:19.24 | dangle | anyone knows where there's a doc reference to X's app-defaults ? - xfree86.org doesn't mention |
| 01:19.24 | mosty | mag007: what error do you get when trying to lookup hostnames? |
| 01:19.35 | greycat | emmajane: if you're unsure of how to do the remote install, you may want to practice on a local box first... |
| 01:19.48 | emmajane | greycat: I haven't got a local box to practice on. :) |
| 01:19.54 | mag007 | mosty: unknown host (I think) |
| 01:19.59 | Rza`` | hows the debian netinstall |
| 01:20.17 | emmajane | greycat: I'm in the process of finding the cash to buy a old dumb machine to do under my desk, but at this point all I have is my laptop |
| 01:20.24 | mosty | mag007: even on www.google.com ? |
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| 01:20.27 | mag007 | yep. |
| 01:20.29 | dissected | hello |
| 01:20.44 | mag007 | mosty: what should my eth0 be like? Should I have a static IP or DHCP for it? |
| 01:20.53 | mosty | mag007: can you ping 192.25.206.10 ? |
| 01:21.03 | dissected | ick |
| 01:21.14 | mag007 | mosty: don't know I have to boot back to debian to do that...(dual boot) |
| 01:21.37 | mosty | mag007: how many network connections does this machine have? |
| 01:21.38 | unixfool` | how can i tell it to not do an fsck every 25 or whatever mounts? |
| 01:21.48 | LoRez | unixfool`: man tune2fs |
| 01:21.48 | Caesar | unixfool: tune2fs |
| 01:21.49 | mosty | unixfool: man fstab |
| 01:21.51 | dissected | is there a copy program that will exclude filesystems on other devices or partitions? |
| 01:21.52 | unixfool` | thanks |
| 01:21.56 | mag007 | mosty: one(1), eth0 |
| 01:22.07 | greycat | dissected: cp -ax |
| 01:22.07 | dissected | I need to transfer my rootfs to a disk in /mnt/mnt |
| 01:22.13 | emmajane | greycat: chroot shouldn't do that, should it. I don't understand how I got it wrong, but I must have, right? |
| 01:22.22 | greycat | emmajane: I don't know what you did :( |
| 01:22.22 | mosty | mag007: ok so it's probably not a default route problem then |
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| 01:22.28 | tik- | what brand of notebooks are good? |
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| 01:22.28 | emmajane | greycat: at $70 a pop I can't afford to get this wrong too many times. ;) |
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| 01:22.47 | mag007 | mosty: heh okay. when i do "route" it looks like it find my route fine (to my router and all) |
| 01:22.58 | dissected | greycat: okay I see that in the man page now thanks...why I didnt see that fist i duno im hung over |
| 01:23.14 | mosty | mag007: can you ping any of your isp's web/mail/whatever servers by ip address? |
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| 01:24.09 | Rza`` | i'm pissed something went awry during the cd debian iso burning process |
| 01:24.18 | emmajane | greycat: I'm afraid to try again. |
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| 01:24.26 | Rza`` | i've an rh9 distro lyin around |
| 01:24.31 | greycat | emmajane: that's where the local practice box would help |
| 01:24.44 | dissected | greycat: will cp -ax excluse loopback systems too? |
| 01:24.45 | mag007 | mosty: i don't know what my ISPs web/mail/whatever is...I can't even http:// into my rotuer given by my adsl company :-( |
| 01:24.45 | Rza`` | at least i'd get a modern package system w/ rh |
| 01:24.53 | greycat | dissected: should, AFAIK |
| 01:24.54 | Rza`` | is rh that bad? |
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| 01:25.20 | dissected | greycat: okay I guess if I see /dev/hdb2: no space left on device Ill know |
| 01:25.22 | greycat | Rza``: newer versions seem to be pretty bad, as is anything ending in .0 |
| 01:25.40 | mosty | mag007: what's your isp's name? |
| 01:25.42 | mag007 | mosty: verizon dsl. |
| 01:25.58 | mag007 | mosty: using Winxp I got the "server IP" whatever that means...maybe thats the gateway |
| 01:26.04 | mosty | mag007: there should be loads of linux users on that, surely you can find one on google |
| 01:26.16 | Rza`` | greycat why did my debian 3 install |
| 01:26.19 | mag007 | mosty: been googling around, and trying things. |
| 01:26.19 | mosty | google "linux verizon dsl" |
| 01:26.22 | emmajane | greycat: maybe. :) |
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| 01:26.31 | Rza`` | create an ext2 partition on which to install debian |
| 01:26.40 | dissected | anyone run grub here? |
| 01:26.52 | Rza`` | and not lemme use a newer filesysystem |
| 01:27.17 | Sebulba02 | dissected: what do you need with it? |
| 01:27.19 | cafuego | dissected: yes |
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| 01:27.47 | deadcat | cafuego: have you tried the bootsplash yet? |
| 01:27.48 | Tchiak | How do i force X to go to a different default depth? |
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| 01:27.58 | greycat | Tchiak: startx -- -depth 8 |
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| 01:28.18 | deadcat | Sebulba02: which howto did you use? |
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| 01:29.03 | mag007 | any Verizon adsl susbscribers here? |
| 01:29.05 | Tchiak | it keeps saying no valid modes found |
| 01:29.14 | rahul | mostidlio |
| 01:29.20 | mosty | luhar |
| 01:29.27 | rahul | yikes I'm tired |
| 01:29.29 | cafuego | deadcat: i've been using a bootsplash for ages with it |
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| 01:29.40 | Sebulba02 | deadcat: partially the README and a site that seems to be down at the moment.. http://www.ultrasoul.com/~lukewarm/grub-images/ |
| 01:29.43 | dissected | Sebulba02: I'm xfering one drive to another and need to install it on the new drive so itll boot like the old one |
| 01:29.47 | deadcat | cafuego: damn... |
| 01:29.49 | rahul | wow, I got SO plastered last night |
| 01:30.05 | rahul | people are telling me all these tihngs I did |
| 01:30.07 | deadcat | Sebulba02: not grub image. bootsplash |
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| 01:30.12 | rahul | and these places I went |
| 01:30.15 | dissected | Sebulba02: right now it's /dev/hdb but when I'll boot into it the furst time itll be /dev/hda |
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| 01:30.25 | zeo33x | what could cause lag when loading video using gmplayer? |
| 01:30.28 | mosty | rahul: hehe we know |
| 01:30.29 | rahul | actually, that's helping me remember |
| 01:30.32 | zeo33x | and lag playing flash movie |
| 01:30.42 | deadcat | zeo33x: your cpu |
| 01:30.44 | mosty | zeo33x: oh, about a million things |
| 01:30.48 | rahul | but I still can't remember leaving central park to getting back to my apt |
| 01:31.01 | Sebulba02 | bootsplash? as in image in the background while booting.. oh, nah.. never touched it. Sorry. |
| 01:31.11 | zeo33x | it doesnt occur when i use mplayer on the console |
| 01:31.13 | cafuego | ackground = AAAAAA \ foreground = 000000 \ splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/cc-bootsplash.xpm.gz |
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| 01:31.26 | _gemini | anyone got any idea of how to get a hercules card (using the alliance (apm) driver) to work with the version of x in woody? |
| 01:31.38 | Sebulba02 | dissected: get a boot disk, the first debian install works well |
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| 01:31.46 | tessier_ | Hello all! |
| 01:31.48 | Sebulba02 | dissected: boot off it and then do a grub install |
| 01:31.56 | tessier_ | Anyone know why there seems to be no evolution package in debian testing ? |
| 01:32.03 | Sebulba02 | dissected: it'll make your system bootable again |
| 01:32.17 | dissected | Sebulba02: okay. I just wanted to avoid using a boot disk |
| 01:32.24 | rahul | !testing excuses |
| 01:32.25 | dpkg | well, testing excuses is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html |
| 01:32.28 | Sebulba02 | I'm not sure there is. |
| 01:32.28 | rahul | tessier_: ^ |
| 01:32.41 | dissected | cause with lilo you can just run lilo -i /dev/hdb2 and that would be it |
| 01:33.14 | Sebulba02 | you could read the grub-install man page |
| 01:33.22 | maplebar | here's a random question: I'm trying to turn off the terminal beep via echo -ne '\033[11;0]'. no errors occur when entered on command line or profile, but it doesn't work. any ideas why? |
| 01:33.29 | mag007 | mosty: that rpppoe, is it just one file? |
| 01:33.48 | deadcat | maplebar: console you use setterm -blength 0 |
| 01:34.06 | mosty | maplebar: why are you expecting that to turn off the terminal bell? |
| 01:34.19 | greycat | maplebar: you want xset, or setterm. |
| 01:34.48 | mosty | mag007: no, it's a package. it might be on www.backports.org |
| 01:34.51 | maplebar | i'd found it somewhere on groups and was able to get it to work before, but no longer... |
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| 01:35.01 | RichiH | bob2: lvl 60 |
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| 01:35.36 | rahul | mag007: it's pppoe in debian |
| 01:35.44 | rahul | mag007: just search the packages for tghat |
| 01:35.44 | maplebar | deadcat that's not working either |
| 01:36.01 | mosty | rahul, pppoe in woody isn't rp-pppoe, is it? |
| 01:36.03 | deadcat | maplebar: in console? it works for all of us |
| 01:36.11 | Frogmorton | Hi, Im trying to install dictd, but config fails with: invalid locale 'en_US.utf-8' |
| 01:36.11 | rahul | mosty: always was, afaik |
| 01:36.29 | deadcat | mosty: rp-pppoe is something else.. roaring penguin pppoe |
| 01:36.31 | mosty | rahul: well then rp-pppoe has changed majorly (for the better) since woody was released |
| 01:36.40 | rahul | mosty: hmm |
| 01:36.42 | mosty | deadcat: i thought so |
| 01:37.01 | rahul | deadcat: that's not what I've been told by debian developers |
| 01:37.11 | maplebar | deadcat: howabout eterm/xterm? |
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| 01:37.30 | cafuego | deadcat: No, pppoe in debian *is* rp-pppoe. |
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| 01:37.33 | deadcat | maplebar: damn thats X |
| 01:37.35 | rahul | deadcat: look at the source package name |
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| 01:37.44 | rahul | Filename: pool/main/r/rp-pppoe/pppoe_3.3-1.1_i386.deb |
| 01:37.55 | deadcat | rahul: ok. but i am not gonna look at the source. i dont even have dsl. (= |
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| 01:38.03 | rahul | deadcat: um, the name |
| 01:38.14 | rahul | I don't either. I just looked at the package desc |
| 01:38.39 | mosty | rahul: rp-pppoe uses commands "adsl-start", "adsl-stop" etc which do not appear to exist in sid |
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| 01:39.26 | cafuego | mosty: No, however, 'pon' and 'poff' do the same thing. |
| 01:39.44 | rahul | ah, exactly |
| 01:39.44 | deadcat | cafuego: http://www.bootsplash.org/ : you got this working for a while or the grub splashimage? |
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| 01:39.55 | cafuego | mosty: Debian integrates pppoe into the normal ppp framework, so all normal ppp commands work with it. |
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| 01:40.11 | cafuego | deadcat: The grub splash image. Is bootsplash an LPP-type thing? |
| 01:40.37 | cafuego | mosty: Run pppoeconf,. set up your connection, then run 'pon adsl' or whatever else you cann the config. |
| 01:40.41 | cafuego | s/cann/call/ |
| 01:40.46 | deadcat | cafuego: LPP? dont know what that is... but i got the grub splashimage to work for a while now.. hehe |
| 01:40.57 | cafuego | deadcat: LPP is Linux Progress Patch |
| 01:41.02 | mosty | cafuego: when i ran pppoeconf, it failed to discover somethingorother |
| 01:41.03 | deadcat | ya |
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| 01:41.20 | deadcat | mosty: you dont have a nic? |
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| 01:41.34 | mosty | deadcat: i have several |
| 01:41.36 | cafuego | mosty: That's a really useful error report. |
| 01:41.50 | mosty | cafuego: i'm not reporting an error right now. this was months ago |
| 01:41.54 | Frogmorton | Do I have to reconfigure my system locale to make dictd happy, or change the dict files ? |
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| 01:43.52 | robink | Are there HOWTOs on printing documentation? |
| 01:44.01 | robink | (in this case the HOWTOs) |
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| 01:44.52 | debian | robink: who would publish this? |
| 01:45.13 | robink | debian: A printing HOWTO? Dunno... |
| 01:45.14 | cafuego | fsck |
| 01:45.24 | deadcat | printing what? |
| 01:45.31 | helix | !hug peterS |
| 01:45.52 | Tafieoa | i got mycomputer to boot from disk(finnaly) but i still get the same error as before (boot disk failed, please insert system disk and hit enter) anyone know of a solution? |
| 01:46.05 | Cobain | i got two real quick questions.. what command is used to format drives? and second what OS type is FAT32? There are a couple FAT32s in cfdisk |
| 01:46.10 | debian | ~bearhug helix |
| 01:46.14 | | ACTION wraps his powerful bone-crushing metallic arms around helix |
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| 01:46.19 | helix | wow |
| 01:46.19 | robink | deadcat: I want to print the AX.25 howto for offline perusal. |
| 01:46.28 | helix | ~squeeze peterS |
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| 01:46.32 | helix | hm, no squeeze |
| 01:46.38 | debian | Cobain: fsck, vfat |
| 01:46.42 | paulproteuss | In GNU screen, can I change the "name" of the screen session? I have 1-5 all named "bash", and I wondered if I could change the names that appear in ^A w. |
| 01:46.46 | psychonate | Hello I was wondering if it would be possible to watch a dvd (navigation and all) from a set of .bup's .ifo's and .vob's on the harddrive? |
| 01:46.59 | mosty | robink: download the howto's in ps or pdf format from www.tldp.org, they are probably the nicest form for printing |
| 01:47.00 | psychonate | I don't mean just playing the VOB's, but the actual menu and all |
| 01:47.04 | robink | Feeding the PDF file to CUPS produces lousy output |
| 01:47.05 | paulproteuss | psychonate, you should be able to do that with mplayer. |
| 01:47.18 | psychonate | paulproteuss: any idea how? |
| 01:47.21 | robink | Page numbers are where the page ends, not always at the bottom of the page, for instance. |
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| 01:47.25 | oelewapperke | robink : why not right click on it in konq and select print ? |
| 01:47.27 | psychonate | paulproteuss: I know it can play vob's |
| 01:47.27 | paulproteuss | man mplayer? ;) |
| 01:47.35 | psychonate | I checked the docs on mplayer's site |
| 01:47.42 | robink | oelewapperke: I attempted to print a few pages but the output was lousy |
| 01:47.43 | paulproteuss | mplayer -dvd . |
| 01:47.46 | psychonate | I'm not sure how to get the menu fand full nav |
| 01:47.48 | robink | Stuff overlaps too |
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| 01:47.59 | mosty | psychonate: don't think mplayer can do that yet |
| 01:48.00 | debian | robink: choose the one-page html format of each how-to |
| 01:48.01 | psychonate | paulproteuss: ok I'll try giving it the directory with that |
| 01:48.10 | robink | debian: ...and print that? |
| 01:48.13 | nevyn | psychonate: try opening it in ogle. I've found while mplayer is a great media player it's dvd navigation stuff isn't terribly mature |
| 01:48.31 | psychonate | nevyn: yeah I usually use XINE for dvd's |
| 01:48.37 | psychonate | I like the navigation support |
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| 01:49.08 | debian | robink: or convert it into nicer format prior to print it, your choice. |
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| 01:49.27 | EpAboY | [OT] anybody know how to operate ISDN lines? |
| 01:49.28 | nevyn | psychonate: I've found ogle to have the best nav support |
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| 01:50.11 | psychonate | nevyn: ok I'm getting it as we speak |
| 01:51.11 | psychonate | nevyn: hmm I think since my /dev/dvd is just a link, I'll just try linking it the folder containing all the dvd stuff instead |
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| 01:51.39 | psychonate | all the essentials are in that folder |
| 01:51.44 | Tchiak | ok i'm trying to use alsa to get acces to my ess1986 audio chip, now when i run alsaconf it gives an error before starting |
| 01:51.53 | psychonate | nevyn: you think that'd work? |
| 01:51.53 | deadcat | dont know if this is a bug or not. options set to y in xconfig cant be cahnged in menuconfig. any idea? |
| 01:51.54 | Tchiak | it says it can't find /proc/asound/version |
| 01:52.07 | nachwehen | What's a good bare distrobution to install into a 233, with 128mb ram lappy? |
| 01:52.26 | deadcat | nachwehen: debian |
| 01:52.27 | Fyre610 | nachwehen: woody |
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| 01:52.54 | nachwehen | I was thinking Core linux, but figured suse or redhat may have made some progress. |
| 01:53.02 | nachwehen | woody? |
| 01:53.13 | debian | nachwehen: what do you expect the answer in #debian? |
| 01:53.14 | deadcat | nachwehen: on a slow machine? those compile time will kill you man |
| 01:53.22 | topaz8 | apt tell topaz8 about apt |
| 01:53.26 | robink | ...maybe the DVI file |
| 01:53.38 | Fyre610 | nachwehen: woody, the current stable version of debian |
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| 01:54.00 | rahul | you want a "bare" distro and you're considering suse or redhat? HAHAHA |
| 01:54.02 | bob2 | !find bin/cm |
| 01:54.07 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 01:54.08 | bob2 | better? |
| 01:54.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cm' (9 shown; 14 total): (/usr/bin/cmp) in base/diff ;; (/usr/bin/cmake) in devel/cmake ;; (/usr/bin/cm2rem) in utils/remind ;; (/usr/bin/cmatrix) in misc/cmatrix ;; (/usr/bin/cmafihe) in misc/jbofihe ;; (/usr/bin/cmd2dc_gui2) in gnome/dcgui ;; (/usr/bin/cmdebug) in net/openafs-client ;; (/usr/bin/cmuwmtopbm) in graphics/netpbm ;; (/usr/bin/cmddump) in contrib/otherosfs/xtrs. |
| 01:54.10 | deadcat | rahul: HAHAHAAH |
| 01:54.13 | psychonate | nevyn: ok nvm :) that worked easier than I thought. 'ogle VIDEO_TS' did the job |
| 01:54.18 | RichiH | nachwehen: i would suggest debian (well, of course) |
| 01:54.24 | psychonate | nevyn: thanks for the player recommendation |
| 01:54.36 | Tchiak | Does anyone have experienc ein using ALSA for using ESS1986F sound chips? |
| 01:54.44 | nevyn | psychonate: no problem |
| 01:54.49 | nachwehen | perhaps I might choose hurd or qnx. |
| 01:54.50 | Tafieoa | was wondering how do i burn a boot disk, i tryed just burning a cd-rom [iso] but it doesnt work, im using nero and theres an option to burn a cd-rom[boot] but the file has to be an .ima, any ideas? |
| 01:54.50 | RichiH | i have run debian woody on a 133 MHz, 16 MB laptop including X and fluxbox |
| 01:55.00 | psychonate | nevyn: this player does look nice :) |
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| 01:55.26 | deadcat | RichiH: do you see the flux splashlogin image? (= hehehe |
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| 01:55.52 | Frogmorton | Tchiak: first check their supported-hardware site, in case you are wasting your time |
| 01:55.54 | RichiH | deadcat: i am tired and do not get it :) |
| 01:56.07 | Strider- | how do i clean up this disk i messed up, LILO is in the bootsector, GRUB in the MBR |
| 01:56.08 | Tchiak | alsa shows it supports ESS19XX |
| 01:56.15 | Strider- | how do i remove all of that ? |
| 01:56.17 | nachwehen | I want something super small and I sortof wanted a microKernel, either that or a nonloaded linux kernel that is more specifically for lappy hardware. |
| 01:56.18 | Strider- | i messed up |
| 01:56.18 | deadcat | RichiH: they have a splashlogin image with the text "If you see this splash your computer is way too slow" |
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| 01:56.41 | RichiH | deadcat: ah, no :) i would remembered that ;) |
| 01:56.49 | deadcat | hahah |
| 01:56.52 | Frogmorton | Tchiak: is it giving a meaningful error ? |
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| 01:57.10 | RichiH | nachwehen: you are aware that micro kernels have a higher load than monolithic ones, are you? |
| 01:57.13 | De_Mon | hrm what tool lists netstat info with which process initiated it |
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| 01:57.19 | mwilson | Tafieoa: You mean like reading the Nero documentation? |
| 01:57.19 | debian | nachwehen: windows NT runs on microkernel. Is that what you ask for? |
| 01:57.34 | De_Mon | i cant find where i wrote it down :( |
| 01:57.37 | nachwehen | hmm, not sure that means anything to me. Could you elaborate? |
| 01:57.51 | nachwehen | higher load? |
| 01:57.52 | Tafieoa | i dunno lol, i just need to know how to burn a boot disk so i can install debian |
| 01:57.52 | Tchiak | cat: /proc/asound/version no such file or directory |
| 01:58.15 | Tchiak | modprobe: Can't locate module snd |
| 01:58.26 | Strider- | I need helo with cleaning up this disk i messed up, LILO is in the bootsector, GRUB in the MBR. How can i remove this stuff. It wont go away just by repartitioning the disk |
| 01:58.28 | mwilson | Tafieoa: Then once you read the instructions, you will know how. |
| 01:58.37 | Tafieoa | mwilson: i tryed burngin it as a cd-rom [iso] but it didnt work |
| 01:58.41 | Tafieoa | *ing |
| 01:58.58 | mwilson | Tafieoa: Yes, repeating that over and over will surely score you many points. |
| 01:59.08 | petemc | Tafieoa: skip the wizard, file -> burn image - s'not rocket science |
| 01:59.31 | Tafieoa | petemc: sept im stupid and have no idea what u just said |
| 01:59.34 | De_Mon | Tafieoa you may need to set a bootable flag |
| 01:59.35 | mwilson | You know, all these people pirate a copy of Nero, and NONE of them bother the learn how to use it. |
| 01:59.38 | Tafieoa | :) |
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| 01:59.52 | De_Mon | nero sucks |
| 01:59.55 | petemc | tessier_: dont install linux then, its not for you |
| 02:00.01 | Sebastian | I'm downloading debian stable(3.0r2) now, am i right when i think that is the way i should do to be able to install testing or unstable? |
| 02:00.03 | petemc | oops |
| 02:00.04 | De_Mon | petemc hahahahaha |
| 02:00.11 | Frogmorton | Tchiak: have you done the usual howtos? http://www.tux.org/~tbr/sound-debian/ |
| 02:00.15 | hackeron | mosty: dude, I just looked properly at sentryd, it's dated 1993, all the paths are wrong, and even when I change paths it still doesn't work!, any idea where I can find somethime similar but atleast recent enough to work? |
| 02:00.24 | Strider- | comon someone here has to know how to completely remove all boot thingys from a hard disk :) |
| 02:00.26 | Tafieoa | de_mon:i know it does but its the only prog i got |
| 02:00.44 | Cobain | i dont see vfat in cfdisk's partition type list |
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| 02:01.06 | mosty | hackeron: i found it on google |
| 02:01.14 | mwilson | Cobain: Of course not. |
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| 02:01.18 | Strider- | guess not |
| 02:01.25 | mwilson | Cobain: VFAT is a filesystem, not a partition type. |
| 02:01.35 | buckwad | Strider-: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=512 ;) |
| 02:01.36 | hackeron | mosty: what keywords did you search for? |
| 02:01.55 | trovador | what was the way to force a cd to unmount? i tried -f but that doesn't work..? |
| 02:01.56 | Sebastian | try buratonce that's an easy iso-burning software for windows |
| 02:02.04 | Tafieoa | i dont exactly appreciate people pokeing fun, u learned at one time, so am i the reason your here is to pass on information, ime sure people come here with stupid questions like me |
| 02:02.05 | RichiH | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 02:02.10 | mosty | hackeron: perl wtmp or something |
| 02:02.11 | Cobain | well which partition type does windows commonly use? |
| 02:02.17 | RichiH | buckwad: your command would kill the whole disk |
| 02:02.19 | Cobain | i see W95 FAT32 and W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 02:02.22 | mosty | hackeron: "perl wtmp tail" maybe |
| 02:02.38 | mwilson | Cobain: Yes, I'm sure you do. |
| 02:02.38 | buckwad | RichiH: yup. Don't run with scissors either... ;) |
| 02:02.54 | hackeron | mosty: ok, thanks, will look :) |
| 02:02.54 | RichiH | well, mine will just kill the bootsector |
| 02:03.09 | Strider- | RichiH and buckwad. what do those line do |
| 02:03.10 | mwilson | Tafieoa: And you don't refer to the Nero documentation because...? |
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| 02:03.26 | Tafieoa | mwilson: i dont have it |
| 02:03.27 | petemc | Tafieoa: you yourself said you were to stupid to understand the answer when i told you |
| 02:03.27 | Cobain | mwilson, which one is the right one? |
| 02:03.29 | Strider- | and where must they be placed ? |
| 02:03.56 | hackeron | mosty: watch creates a really messy output like ^sad@ASv'; and I'm too lazy to filder all that formatting out |
| 02:04.06 | buckwad | Strider-: generally you want _something_ in your bootsector, whether it be the MS bootsector or one of the many others out there |
| 02:04.10 | hackeron | mosty: so if you're going to redirect the watch output, it's not easy :( |
| 02:04.16 | Tafieoa | petemc: i ment could u just put it in less technical terms |
| 02:04.36 | Strider- | buckwad i wanna remove everything, |
| 02:04.43 | buckwad | Strider-: you're talking Master Boot Record, right? |
| 02:04.46 | Wortel | quit |
| 02:04.47 | petemc | Tafieoa: "wizard" is a technical term? |
| 02:04.48 | deadcat | dont know if this is a bug or not. options set to y in xconfig cant be cahnged in menuconfig. any idea? |
| 02:04.54 | RichiH | Strider-: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 will overwrite the first 512 bytes of your first disk with zeroes - the first 512 bytes of a disk are its boot sector. thus it will remove all "boot stuff". be sure to append the "count=1", though. else it will kill the whole disk |
| 02:04.55 | Ryuujin | "RTFM".~ |
| 02:05.09 | debian | !mb |
| 02:05.10 | dpkg | well, mb is If you mean 'MB': see 'megabyte', but see also 'binary units' for why it can mean 1,000,000. If you mean 'Mb': see 'megabit', and also 'binary units'. Also an abbreviation for 'motherboard'. |
| 02:05.20 | Tafieoa | petemc: how bout tell me what u said, then explain what u said, then explain how to do it? |
| 02:05.30 | Strider- | buckwad there are two things, GRUB is in the MBR and LILO in the bootblock i want both removed |
| 02:05.31 | nachwehen | hmm, my innitails |
| 02:05.34 | Tafieoa | petemc: better? |
| 02:05.35 | RichiH | ~binary units |
| 02:05.37 | | binary units is probably 'k', 'M', 'G' each have two common meanings, the binary and the decimal, e.g. k can mean 1,024 (binary) or 1,000 (decimal). There's a new set of prefixes 'Ki', 'Mi' etc for the 2^X meanings - See http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html and http://www.pcguide.com/res/tablesBinDec-c.html. Hard disk manufacturers use 1MB = 1,000,000 bytes, so that they can sell you smaller disks than you expect. |
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| 02:06.10 | buckwad | Strider-: but you need some sort of bootsector |
| 02:06.31 | Frogmorton | Tafieoa - what were you trying to do ? |
| 02:06.34 | petemc | Tafieoa: how bout you try and use your initiative, there was nothing nebulous in what i said |
| 02:06.37 | Strider- | buckwad u know when u install debian u can choose to install LILO in the MBR or the bootblack of the disk ? |
| 02:06.52 | Strider- | Strider- i chose bootblock |
| 02:06.52 | rahul | the mbr is the bootblock of the disk |
| 02:06.54 | Tafieoa | petemc: are u not here to help? |
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| 02:06.56 | Serialkiller | in kde is there a key combo to change what res your screen is running at? |
| 02:07.02 | Strider- | Bucket58 i chose bootblock |
| 02:07.10 | The_Ball | doesn't debian have support for qmail-pop3d? |
| 02:07.14 | Strider- | buckwad THEN i installed GRUB in the MBR |
| 02:07.33 | rahul | er, thanks, I think :P |
| 02:07.49 | nachwehen | Well, woa abou' slackware? |
| 02:07.53 | petemc | Tafieoa: i did help, im not here to spoonfeed people too damn lazy to think for themselves |
| 02:07.57 | mosty | the_ball, it works fine |
| 02:08.03 | Ryuujin | rahul: petabyte.. x*10^15 .. |
| 02:08.08 | Sebulba02 | a picobyte? |
| 02:08.08 | Tchiak | how do i get the debconf to configure my x? |
| 02:08.09 | rahul | Ryuujin: I know |
| 02:08.12 | buckwad | Strider-: right, so you want to revert to whatever was there before you installed GRUB? |
| 02:08.23 | rahul | Ryuujin: but my motherboard and CPU can't handle that much :P |
| 02:08.25 | The_Ball | mosty, do you know the package name? |
| 02:08.27 | Strider- | buckwad before GRUN and LILO |
| 02:08.35 | Strider- | GRUN = GRUB |
| 02:08.38 | petemc | Strider-: edi8t/etc/lilo.conf, run lilo |
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| 02:08.54 | buckwad | Strider-: so, was this a Windows system in a previous life? |
| 02:08.54 | Strider- | LINUX is not on that disk no more |
| 02:09.01 | Ryuujin | rahul: tried? |
| 02:09.02 | Strider- | buckwad yes |
| 02:09.15 | Strider- | what if i boot to dos and do fdisk /mbr |
| 02:09.15 | Tafieoa | petemc: then u suck at what you do, the reason alotta ppl come here is to be givin actually usful information, like someone asking where a tool is and u say the garage, what if they dont know that the garage is 10 blocks away? |
| 02:09.16 | Strider- | ? |
| 02:09.22 | nachwehen | slackware? |
| 02:09.24 | Frogmorton | Strider- maybe you want to try dos 'fdisk /mbr' |
| 02:09.29 | buckwad | Strider-: that's the easiest way to fix it |
| 02:09.30 | Frogmorton | oh |
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| 02:09.42 | Strider- | Bucket58 but lilo(which is not in the MBR) will still be there :( |
| 02:09.52 | mosty | the_ball: qmail is not in debian directly, since it has a nasty licence. install qmail-src or qmail-build, i forget which |
| 02:09.53 | Strider- | buckwad but lilo(which is not in the MBR) will still be there :( |
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| 02:09.55 | debian | ~hackware |
| 02:10.04 | nachwehen | yeah. |
| 02:10.07 | Frogmorton | Tafieoa: unfortunately many here are selective about what level of beginner they want to talk to |
| 02:10.09 | gratuit | anyone have any idea what would make a console be in reverse video? |
| 02:10.25 | buckwad | Strider-: so what's on the partition with LILO? |
| 02:10.34 | The_Ball | mosty, ah, i have built qmail, and now i found the pop3d, but it is not started by default |
| 02:10.35 | mush | gratuit: man setterm |
| 02:10.46 | Frogmorton | Strider- if you have wiped the partition wont its bootblock go too ? |
| 02:10.48 | Tafieoa | frogmorton: im just alittle high strung at the moment, been trying to get this thing to work for a fair few hours now |
| 02:10.59 | Strider- | buckwad nothing |
| 02:11.02 | jetscreamer | Frogmorton, not necc |
| 02:11.11 | Strider- | no it didn´t |
| 02:11.14 | Tafieoa | frogmorton: and noones been anyhelp at all :/ |
| 02:11.22 | Tchiak | how do i get debconf to configure x? |
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| 02:11.30 | Strider- | jetscreamer fdisk /mbr will just remove GRUB right ? |
| 02:11.36 | Frogmorton | Tafieoa: so what are you trying to acheive ? |
| 02:11.36 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:11.47 | Tchiak | thanks |
| 02:11.47 | petemc | Tafieoa: skip the wizard means cancel the shit nero does at the start to help you burn vcds, then go to the file menu and select "burn image" |
| 02:11.55 | buckwad | Strider-: then it won't matter. install windows or whatever and the partition will get completely wiped |
| 02:12.00 | jetscreamer | Strider-, it will overwrite what lilo wrote with windows mbr |
| 02:12.14 | Tafieoa | petemc: thank you thats all i needed to know |
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| 02:12.18 | jetscreamer | and then when you reboot xp wil find new devices and want to reboot |
| 02:12.25 | Strider- | jetscreamer hold ur horses |
| 02:12.27 | Frogmorton | thats what I thought, if you are replacing the filesystem on that partition |
| 02:12.28 | petemc | Tafieoa: arent you embarrassed? |
| 02:12.40 | Tafieoa | petemc: not in the least bit |
| 02:12.57 | Strider- | jetscreamer let us stick to the ONE disk we r talking about, the linux disk with LILO and GRUB, the xp disk is not in the picture |
| 02:13.00 | Strider- | ok |
| 02:13.11 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:13.18 | jetscreamer | so use one or the other |
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| 02:13.38 | skermajo | should /lib/modules/modprobe.conf be used when a 2.6 kernel is booting ? |
| 02:13.40 | Strider- | my only interest at this point is to remove GRUB and LILO from the linux disk |
| 02:14.03 | mag007 | Whenever I try to run X, I get this message "pc_keyb: controller jammed (0x19)" and the whole system crashes, no response from keyboard at all. |
| 02:14.08 | jetscreamer | the fdisk will do that disk also but you won't be booting any linux from it |
| 02:14.15 | Tafieoa | petemc: may i ask one more thing: when doing this would i burn the compressed image or decompressed? |
| 02:14.15 | Strider- | as i understand it since GRUB is in the MBR, fdisk /mbr will take care of that am i right jetscreamer ? |
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| 02:14.40 | jetscreamer | yeah, unless you did something else weird |
| 02:14.40 | Strider- | jetscreamer ie grub will be gone right ? |
| 02:14.43 | petemc | Tafieoa: where did you get a compressed image? |
| 02:14.44 | Strider- | good |
| 02:14.47 | Strider- | that was step one |
| 02:14.50 | jetscreamer | the grub mbr will be gone |
| 02:14.52 | Strider- | jetscreamer now what about LILO |
| 02:14.56 | jetscreamer | same |
| 02:14.59 | Strider- | ah |
| 02:15.01 | Strider- | great |
| 02:15.01 | Tafieoa | petemc: from a mirror |
| 02:15.23 | Tafieoa | petemc: cant remem the url now |
| 02:15.25 | jetscreamer | but for that disk, all you need to do is configure lilo properly |
| 02:15.31 | jetscreamer | no need to get fancy |
| 02:15.35 | jetscreamer | whatever |
| 02:15.37 | Strider- | jetscreamer this is a matter of honor now |
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| 02:15.50 | Strider- | i WILL use GRUB |
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| 02:15.51 | petemc | Tafieoa: ive never came across a compressed debian iso |
| 02:15.55 | nevyn | ~tell root_ about root |
| 02:16.04 | nevyn | !tell root_ about root |
| 02:16.07 | guest | help me out a bit i have a keyboard with a scroller on it, is it possible to make it work in linux? |
| 02:16.08 | Strider- | i shall do that then, and i swear by bill gates tomorrow i shall have my revenge and i WILL use GRUB! |
| 02:16.12 | Frogmorton | Tafieoa: if its .iso format you should be ready to go |
| 02:16.23 | Tafieoa | frogmorton: mmk |
| 02:16.24 | Strider- | but this time i will not install LILO :) |
| 02:16.31 | jetscreamer | jsut configure grub properly, no need to get fancy |
| 02:16.35 | Strider- | infact i make systeb bootable at all |
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| 02:16.58 | Strider- | until everything works out |
| 02:16.58 | Tafieoa | petemc: thanks :) |
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| 02:16.58 | Strider- | infact i WONT make systeb bootable at all |
| 02:16.58 | Tafieoa | frogmorton: thank you too :) |
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| 02:17.04 | jetscreamer | ok so you won't boot :/ |
| 02:17.10 | Tafieoa | now lets just hope it works |
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| 02:17.18 | KryQ | Hmm, im getting an error about gtk-config when im compiling. WTF is wrong? |
| 02:17.20 | KryQ | And "whereis gtk" only shows... |
| 02:17.21 | mag007 | I get this message "pc_keyb: controller jammed (0x19)" and the whole system crashes, no response from keyboard at all. |
| 02:17.24 | KryQ | gtk: /etc/gtk |
| 02:17.25 | Strider- | jetscreamer: anyway someone said that GRUB enables u to have the windoze disk hooked up as slave,. are they lying ? |
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| 02:17.51 | peterS | Strider-: I'm pretty sure grub lets you do that, yeah. lilo certainly does |
| 02:18.14 | Strider- | peterS what´s with the "windoze wanna be first disk" talk then |
| 02:18.19 | hackeron | anyone knows a way of reversing the contents of a file or reversing output of a command? (like for tail to show the beginning at the end in order to tail it) |
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| 02:18.36 | peterS | Strider-: it *does* want to be first. but lilo (or grub) can trick its boot loader into thinking it *is* first |
| 02:18.39 | mosty | hackeron: tac |
| 02:18.42 | guest | help me out a bit i have a keyboard with a scroller on it, is it possible to make it work in linux? |
| 02:18.49 | KryQ | hackeron: ? |
| 02:18.53 | jetscreamer | Strider-, that problem had nothing to do with lilo or grub |
| 02:18.54 | deadcat | hackeron: rev ? |
| 02:18.58 | mwilson | That's not what he wants. |
| 02:19.03 | Strider- | jetscreamer ok |
| 02:19.04 | nevyn | guest: maybe. |
| 02:19.04 | jetscreamer | Strider-, ntfs on your xp or fat32 |
| 02:19.11 | guest | nevyn: well? how? |
| 02:19.13 | Strider- | jetscreamer ntfs |
| 02:19.13 | KryQ | Hmm, im getting an error about gtk-config when im compiling. WTF is wrong? Anyone.... ? |
| 02:19.17 | hackeron | mosty: ok, thanks :) |
| 02:19.21 | hackeron | deadcat: will try |
| 02:19.24 | nevyn | guest: is it usb or ps/2? |
| 02:19.28 | mosty | hackeron: but beware that you should not do that. you should read the contents of that file in regular order, rather than reversing it twice |
| 02:19.35 | mwilson | KryQ: Did you bother to provide gtk-config? Install the gtk development packages? |
| 02:19.37 | guest | ps/2 |
| 02:19.41 | jetscreamer | Strider-, xp wouldn't boot because it still thought it was on the first hard disk.. (the lilo thing notwithstanding) |
| 02:19.46 | Tchiak | ok i have one more question: When i try to start X in normal user mode it gives me the error X:user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 02:19.53 | KryQ | mwilson: I have glib dev and gtk dev. |
| 02:19.55 | Justin_ | !tell Tchiak about xwrapper |
| 02:20.00 | KryQ | mwilson: (2.0) |
| 02:20.00 | mwilson | He wants to tail a file, and have the newest information at the top of the window, rather than the bottom. |
| 02:20.01 | jetscreamer | when you change the boot options in bios, yeah it thinks it's on the first hd |
| 02:20.06 | mwilson | KryQ: If you say so. |
| 02:20.13 | Strider- | jetscreamer and thus the fact that i installed windoze when the linux box was unplugged will not matter right |
| 02:20.32 | guest | nevyn: ps/2 |
| 02:20.33 | nevyn | mwilson: is there a sane way to do that? |
| 02:20.34 | KryQ | mwilson: i apt-get them, but i can't figure out whats wrong ;| |
| 02:20.39 | jetscreamer | because it thinks it's on the first hd, hda in linuxspeak |
| 02:20.47 | nevyn | mwilson: ie without re-reading the file every second? |
| 02:20.52 | jetscreamer | but it changed to hdb when you hooked it back up |
| 02:20.53 | mwilson | "The best place to hide something is in documentation." <-- that's from an Overfiend signature block... anyone know the source reference? |
| 02:21.22 | mwilson | nevyn: Oh, no, you'd just reverse-scroll the window. It's not THAT big a deal. |
| 02:21.27 | guest | nevyn: can you help me? |
| 02:21.28 | Strider- | jetscreamer but grun will trick it to believe it is hda :) |
| 02:21.30 | hackeron | mosty: huh? |
| 02:21.31 | nevyn | guest: dunno then if it were USB it might implement a 2nd device for the scroller and buttons but have a look at the hotkeys package |
| 02:21.32 | Strider- | jetscreamer but grub will trick it to believe it is hda :) |
| 02:21.39 | asg | mwilson: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200206/msg00082.html |
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| 02:21.49 | nnn | hey |
| 02:21.55 | jetscreamer | Strider-, yeah maybe if you configure grub properly |
| 02:21.56 | guest | nevyn: isent it possible any other way? |
| 02:22.06 | hackeron | mosty: well, last | tac seems to work, but not with tail :( |
| 02:22.09 | guest | mwilson: are you a smart guy? can you help me out? |
| 02:22.10 | Tchiak | i must be missing my Xwrapper.conf |
| 02:22.12 | nevyn | guest: have a look at the hotkeys package |
| 02:22.14 | Tchiak | strange |
| 02:22.19 | Strider- | well if it doesn´t i guess i can let windoze be master, even tho it hurts :( |
| 02:22.21 | guest | nevyn: hotkey package? |
| 02:22.35 | nevyn | hotkeys |
| 02:22.36 | mosty | hackeron: that's because tac needs to read the end of the file in order to start printing |
| 02:22.36 | mwilson | guest: Did I volunteer to? |
| 02:22.40 | jetscreamer | guest he's smart but if you can't think for yourself he can be a meanie |
| 02:22.53 | jetscreamer | smart, knowledgeable, wtf |
| 02:23.00 | Tchiak | another error msg is: "X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" |
| 02:23.07 | Justin_ | !tell Tchiak about xwrapper |
| 02:23.09 | guest | jetscreamer: i will keep that in mind |
| 02:23.10 | Frogmorton | guest: google for debian keyboard hotkeys |
| 02:23.12 | nevyn | it's for multimedia keyboards to make the extra keys (mail/internet/etc) launch applications and suff |
| 02:23.16 | jetscreamer | acerbic wit? |
| 02:23.18 | guest | mwilson: no you dident but can you help? |
| 02:23.19 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 02:23.24 | guest | you mean the pkg hotkeys? |
| 02:23.26 | Tchiak | that is of no help justin |
| 02:23.40 | Tchiak | for one i don't have an Xwrapper.config file to change anything in |
| 02:23.42 | hackeron | mosty: yeah :( |
| 02:23.49 | mwilson | guest: You have your answer. |
| 02:23.52 | hackeron | mosty: any ideas at all, lol? |
| 02:23.53 | kriley | <newb>I'm having an issue with apt-get. I have python2.3 and want to install moin. However apt-get wants to install python2.2.. I used apt-get to install 2.3 but it doesn't seem to recognize. Any quick pointers |
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| 02:24.02 | asg | Tchiak: touch /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config (voila) |
| 02:24.10 | mwilson | gods, beep sucks as bad as xmms does. |
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| 02:24.20 | Strider- | peterS do u use GRUB ? |
| 02:24.23 | RichiH | xmms is cool, beep sucks |
| 02:24.27 | peterS | Strider-: no, lilo |
| 02:24.32 | Tchiak | Never mind i'm an idiot |
| 02:24.42 | Strider- | why doesn´t anyone use GRUB :) |
| 02:24.47 | Justin_ | Tchiak: maybe you should actually read the factoid |
| 02:24.56 | mwilson | Strider-: I have no need to use Grub. |
| 02:25.08 | Tchiak | i did.. missed the second part.. damn you ADHD.. you have foiled me once again |
| 02:25.10 | mwilson | Strider-: It doesn't do anything I'm interested in that lilo does not. |
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| 02:25.13 | Strider- | mwilson because u r a lilo wiz :) |
| 02:25.14 | jetscreamer | my god! fricken fonts don't stay the frickin same from one boot to the next! |
| 02:25.17 | annoia | WTF? Is Perl broken in apache / testing? |
| 02:25.30 | Tchiak | sounds like fun jet |
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| 02:25.36 | mwilson | Strider-: Not only do I not use Grub, I do not speak moron. Perhaps you can provide a translation? |
| 02:25.43 | mool | annoia: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224959 |
| 02:25.45 | kriley | ahh, peterS:You helped me awhile back with netinst problems I was having. Turns out was bad stick of ram. Thanks again :) |
| 02:26.03 | peterS | kriley: I don't remember, but good to hear you worked it out (: |
| 02:26.11 | mosty | hackeron: just parse the output from watch |
| 02:26.26 | Strider- | hmm, im grub language is hd0 = hda right ? |
| 02:26.31 | annoia | mool - Thanks! |
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| 02:26.55 | mool | annoia: or at least that's the one i'm having trouble with |
| 02:27.07 | hackeron | mosty: how the hell do I parse this: ^[(B^[)0^[[?1049h^[[1;63r^[[m^O^[[4l^[[?7h^[[H^[[2Jhackeron vc/4^[[1;40HFri Jan 2 02:30 still logged in^M^[[2dhackeron vc/4^[[2;40HFri Jan 2 02:28 - 02:28 (00:00)^M^[[ |
| 02:27.30 | Justin_ | hackeron: why the hell are you STILL blabbering on about that wtmp crap |
| 02:27.42 | annoia | mool - Looks the same :) |
| 02:27.47 | hackeron | Justin_: why the hell have you still not tried to help :) |
| 02:27.47 | kriley | yah, once I get confortable with apt going to move all boxen to deian :) |
| 02:27.51 | mwilson | Justin_: Because if he whines long enough, someone will write it for him just to shut him up. |
| 02:27.54 | deadcat | hackeron: isnt that what last or w, who are for? |
| 02:28.30 | mool | annoia: suggestion is to downgrade perl back to 5.8.0. Do you happen to know the package name for that? I still haven't been able to get it. |
| 02:28.31 | jetscreamer | hey copy/paste a w2k dns file as a bind db file works btw |
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| 02:28.38 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 02:28.40 | mwilson | rei $ w |
| 02:28.40 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.41 | mosty | hackeron, start by discarding all the terminal crap |
| 02:28.42 | jetscreamer | mostly |
| 02:28.47 | mwilson | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 02:28.48 | mwilson | mwilson :0 - 03Dec03 ?xdm? 10:43m 0.01s -:0 |
| 02:28.53 | mwilson | ah, crap |
| 02:29.05 | kriley | <newb>I'm having an issue with apt-get. I have python2.3 and want to install moin. However apt-get wants to install python2.2.. I used apt-get to install 2.3 but it doesn't seem to recognize. Any quick pointers<putting pythooh didn't work> |
| 02:29.08 | jetscreamer | how you get uptime, rei $ w ? |
| 02:29.09 | hackeron | deadcat: I'm trying to tail output from last as it changes, I managed to get it to display on the screen as it changes with watch -t "last | head -1", but when I redirect to file it looks like what I pasted to mosty |
| 02:29.19 | hackeron | mosty: how do I discard all the terminal crap? |
| 02:29.28 | mwilson | kriley: Uh... so? Let it install 2.2 |
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| 02:29.37 | Justin_ | hackeron: idiot! |
| 02:29.42 | Justin_ | hackeron: tail -F /var/log/*.log |
| 02:29.42 | deadcat | hackeron: man col |
| 02:29.46 | annoia | mool - Package name? That would be perl-base, perl-modules and libperl5.8 |
| 02:29.50 | mosty | hackeron: use a regex to strip it out |
| 02:29.56 | jetscreamer | how you get uptime |
| 02:30.02 | asg | jetscreamer: 'uptime' |
| 02:30.02 | annoia | mool - And, of course, perl |
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| 02:30.06 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 02:30.09 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Most people type 'uptime' |
| 02:30.15 | hackeron | Justin_: ok, I'm just going to ignore that, need to get something done before I can take the time off to point out how stupid you are :) |
| 02:30.24 | hackeron | deadcat: ok, thanks :) |
| 02:30.27 | annoia | mool - But I don't have the package anymore :( |
| 02:30.29 | kriley | mwilson:I'd like to not have multiple versions of python if possible.. |
| 02:30.29 | Justin_ | hackeron: for fucks sake, auth.log SHOWS YOU WHAT YOU WANT |
| 02:30.33 | hackeron | mosty: I tried, cat file doesn't show anything, lol |
| 02:30.38 | hackeron | Justin_: no, it doesn't |
| 02:30.41 | jetscreamer | who's the second user, root? |
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| 02:30.44 | hackeron | Justin_: I already looked at it |
| 02:30.46 | mwilson | kriley: Then you have a personal problem, don't you? |
| 02:30.49 | Justin_ | hackeron: suuuure it doesn't |
| 02:30.56 | hackeron | Justin_: just go away |
| 02:31.04 | mool | annoia: that's what I'm running into, Don't know where to get the older ones. |
| 02:31.29 | jetscreamer | mwilson how come yours says 1 user mine says 2. i remember a dicsussion about that months ago but i forget |
| 02:31.53 | Justin_ | hackeron: whine |
| 02:32.13 | jetscreamer | does an instance of xterm count as an additional user? |
| 02:32.19 | mool | annoia: thought they'd be available by doing [apt-get -t testing install perl=5.8.0] but it doesn't work |
| 02:32.33 | annoia | mool - http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/p/perl/ |
| 02:32.35 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 02:32.38 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 02:32.53 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Yours says two because you have another utmp entry. |
| 02:32.53 | annoia | Hmm... Damn, nevermind.. |
| 02:33.18 | kriley | mwilson: I have plenty :) but was hoping for simple apt-get help. thanks tho. |
| 02:33.22 | mwilson | jetscreamer: I only have one because there's only one user logged in. |
| 02:33.27 | jetscreamer | cuz i'm logged into gnome and xterm. i tested by starting another instance of xterm and user count incremented by 1 |
| 02:33.46 | hackeron | deadcat: err, just reading man pages, can't figure out how to use it... |
| 02:34.04 | mool | annoia: so is it actually 5.6 that I'd download there? I don't see 5.8.0... |
| 02:34.08 | tim_m | when messaging dpkg, is there a way to see all keys when using listkeys? like, right now I'm shown 15 of 46, but not sure how to see the others |
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| 02:34.09 | Justin_ | hackeron: why don't you run along and get a book on shell scripting |
| 02:34.09 | mwilson | kriley: And you have "simple apt-get help", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. THAT is why the other version of python installs, because apt-get correctly recognises that the package you're installing depends on it. |
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| 02:34.22 | annoia | mool - Sorry, I used google, and was a bit too quick to paste the link... :/ |
| 02:34.25 | mwilson | jetscreamer: I don't allow xterm to create utmp entries. |
| 02:34.27 | hanasaki | how do i search to find the .deb that has a specific command in it? |
| 02:34.38 | rahul | hanasaki: apt-file |
| 02:34.39 | jetscreamer | ahhh utmp thanks for the clue |
| 02:34.40 | annoia | mool - Try http://ptk-archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/p/perl/ |
| 02:34.51 | jetscreamer | no details please :) |
| 02:34.51 | helix | rahul: hangover? |
| 02:34.51 | mool | annoia: OK, I'll check the other archives then. |
| 02:34.51 | hackeron | Justin_: I have one |
| 02:34.54 | hackeron | Justin_: I read it |
| 02:34.59 | tim_m | hanasaki: or dpkg -S filename |
| 02:34.59 | rahul | helix: not any more |
| 02:35.00 | hackeron | Justin_: again, go away |
| 02:35.02 | helix | w00t |
| 02:35.03 | rahul | I'm just tired now |
| 02:35.03 | hanasaki | thansk |
| 02:35.04 | deadcat | hanasaki: if its installed try dpkg -S |
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| 02:35.08 | mwilson | kriley: So why don't you just define what "simple apt-get help" is supposed to mean, just for those present? |
| 02:35.08 | asg | helix: on prune juice? not likely :) |
| 02:35.09 | Justin_ | hackeron: suuure you did |
| 02:35.16 | eric | alan here? |
| 02:35.20 | rahul | helix: it was seriously bad in the morning (read |
| 02:35.23 | rahul | 3 AM |
| 02:35.23 | Justin_ | hackeron: you really aren't going to shut up until someone tells you what to type are you? |
| 02:35.24 | rahul | erm PM |
| 02:35.32 | RichiH | Justin_, hackeron: you two don't like each other, fine by me. but just swallow the bile and stop ping-pong'ing pointless placeholders - or do you seriously believe you will get anywhere? no? fine |
| 02:35.33 | mwilson | Justin_: I tried to tell you. |
| 02:35.35 | deadcat | eric: no. alan left few mins ago |
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| 02:35.53 | mool | annoia: got it. thanks a lot. Been trying to figure this out all week. |
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| 02:36.09 | hanasaki | thnaks |
| 02:36.11 | helix | rahul: you had a hangover at 3am? or do you mean 3pm? |
| 02:36.15 | rahul | hackeron: use a dumb terminal |
| 02:36.20 | annoia | mool - You're completely welcome! :D |
| 02:36.22 | mool | annoia: I thought the main package sources would have the older versions available |
| 02:36.26 | rahul | hackeron: as the TERM var |
| 02:36.31 | rahul | helix: pm :) |
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| 02:36.37 | rahul | helix: I was still drinking at 3 am, I think |
| 02:36.48 | annoia | mool - the repositories are huge as it is ;) |
| 02:36.52 | Justin_ | mwilson: it's like shell scripting 101 heh |
| 02:36.54 | helix | rahul: yeah, you weren't even on irc! |
| 02:37.01 | rahul | helix: yeah |
| 02:37.10 | rahul | boy, I remember so little of last night.... |
| 02:37.19 | mool | annoia: got it. Should've figured. Thanks again! |
| 02:37.20 | RichiH | helix: what's so special about being still being drunk up to 36 hours after stopping to drink? :) |
| 02:37.22 | kriley | mwilson: how do I get apt-get to install the moin package without also installing python2.2 |
| 02:37.26 | helix | rahul: typical drunk behavior. telling everyone you loved them etc. |
| 02:37.32 | RichiH | kriley: magic |
| 02:37.35 | rahul | heh |
| 02:37.36 | helix | of course, i don't know what you did IRL :) |
| 02:37.37 | hackeron | deadcat: cat file | col shows: ?1l1049h1;63rm4l?7hH2Jhackeron vc/41;40HFri Jan 2 02:30 still logged in63;176H63;1H?1049l |
| 02:37.39 | Justin_ | hackeron: why does someone who has claimed to have read a book on shell scripting, not even know how to make a loop? |
| 02:37.45 | helix | RichiH: jesus. |
| 02:37.45 | annoia | mool - Thanks for the bug report link :) |
| 02:37.47 | mwilson | kriley: You don't. That's the wonderful thing about dependencies... they stop you from deliberately breaking things. |
| 02:37.56 | hackeron | rahul: err, how do I do that? |
| 02:37.56 | jetscreamer | yeah rahul you were really wasted i guess, what with everything you said |
| 02:37.57 | RichiH | helix: i think that would be the devil ;) |
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| 02:38.07 | Frogmorton | kriley: apt seems to have installed 3 different versions ok for me |
| 02:38.07 | helix | heh |
| 02:38.08 | rahul | jetscreamer: I was seriously insanely wasted |
| 02:38.11 | mwilson | kriley: The moin package depends on python 2.2 for a *reason*. |
| 02:38.13 | deadcat | hackeron: you just called yourself a "hacker" earlier (=. hehehe |
| 02:38.13 | rahul | by 1 AM, no less |
| 02:38.19 | Frogmorton | kriley: you can install both |
| 02:38.23 | rahul | hackeron: do you know what $TERM is? |
| 02:38.25 | mool | annoia: You bet. Had it right in front of me. |
| 02:38.25 | Justin_ | hackeron: because thats what your ass backwards attempt is trying to do isn't it? |
| 02:38.28 | hackeron | Justin_: dude, join flood, I'll show you the script I wrote and what I'm trying to do |
| 02:38.30 | RichiH | helix: i don't drink often, but when i drink, i really do drink ;) |
| 02:38.37 | mwilson | Frogmorton: Oh, he's special... he doesn't *want* to. |
| 02:38.40 | hackeron | deadcat: it was a joke ; |
| 02:38.42 | hackeron | deadcat: ;) |
| 02:38.48 | Frogmorton | But it WORKS |
| 02:38.49 | hackeron | rahul: no |
| 02:38.57 | rahul | oy veh |
| 02:39.04 | hackeron | rahul: $TERM = xterm |
| 02:39.11 | rahul | hackeron: TERM=dumb <command> |
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| 02:39.19 | kriley | ok, that's what I wanted to know. I can install moin manually, using rpm u can force to ignore deps... thanks for your time. |
| 02:39.27 | hackeron | rahul: how does that help me? |
| 02:39.54 | rahul | kriley: you can force all kinds of things with dpkg |
| 02:39.54 | Frogmorton | but why not install both python versions ? |
| 02:39.54 | Justin_ | hackeron: do you like, have something against loops? |
| 02:39.54 | rahul | hackeron: it changes the terminal type that the output will use |
| 02:40.03 | hackeron | Justin_: /ignore Justin_ |
| 02:40.08 | mwilson | You can force dpkg to ignore dependencies as well... and it's just as dumb-ass a thing to do with dpkg as it is with rpm. |
| 02:40.09 | hackeron | Justin_: not getting any more shit from you ;) |
| 02:40.10 | rahul | hackeron: dumb means that it doesn't understand escape codes so it won't use them |
| 02:40.10 | helix | RichiH: i didn't drink for about a year until the other day.. even then, it was just a glass of wine |
| 02:40.26 | hackeron | rahul: ah, ok, will try :) |
| 02:40.30 | Justin_ | hackeron: in other words, you refuse to think and will wait until someone tells you what to type |
| 02:40.31 | RichiH | rahul: don't lie to him! it will make magic sheep appear which will magically convert the output by some secret and arcane rules |
| 02:40.39 | deadcat | hackeron: if you still using Justin_: means you have NOT /ignore him yet. hehehe |
| 02:40.42 | rahul | RichiH: heh |
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| 02:40.52 | helix | mwilson: duh. so you can have FUN |
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| 02:40.59 | helix | people cannot be happy while sober |
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| 02:41.04 | rahul | heh |
| 02:41.09 | hackeron | deadcat: no, I put him on ignore after saying that :) |
| 02:41.12 | rahul | helix: well, mwilson can't :P |
| 02:41.15 | mwilson | helix: When was that law passed? |
| 02:41.23 | mwilson | helix: I missed it. |
| 02:41.25 | RichiH | helix: i didn't drink more than a beer and two shots yesterday, either. but sometimes, it gets me :) |
| 02:41.35 | asg | RichiH: evidently |
| 02:41.39 | deadcat | helix: you have a sad life eh??? alcohol will solve everything? |
| 02:41.45 | Justin_ | well, I guess hackeron is one of those "I refuse to think and damn anyone who tried to hammer a clue into me" |
| 02:41.46 | deadcat | hackeron: i see. |
| 02:41.48 | RichiH | asg ^^ |
| 02:41.49 | helix | mwilson: i did too but this is what i hear |
| 02:41.54 | Frogmorton | Wheres a good place for advice on serial-port IO in python ? |
| 02:41.57 | helix | mwilson: you're forgetting, i don't get drunk :) |
| 02:42.09 | rahul | hmm, as far as I remember I had 5 beers, 4 mixed drinks, a shot of jamesons, and the ususal champagne toast |
| 02:42.11 | RichiH | i drink without having fun, too! ;) |
| 02:42.19 | helix | jeez, you guys miss really obvious sarcasm |
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| 02:42.28 | RichiH | +can |
| 02:42.36 | kriley | mwilson, rahul: thanks |
| 02:42.36 | rahul | mwilson: altering your mind can be fun |
| 02:42.45 | helix | rahul: like brain surgery? |
| 02:42.51 | rahul | helix: that too |
| 02:42.55 | Frogmorton | oh i change my mind all the time |
| 02:42.57 | mwilson | I stayed as far away as possible from anyone having "fun" last night... safe at home. Why *anyone* would take their life into their hands by going out last night amazes me. |
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| 02:43.07 | amundsen | hi |
| 02:43.13 | helix | heh |
| 02:43.15 | Frogmorton | greetings to you |
| 02:43.16 | rahul | rather have my life in my hands than someone else's :) |
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| 02:43.36 | asg | mwilson: drive the limit, stay in the right hand lane, and let the crazies zoom on by. Otherwise, a pleasant drive home. |
| 02:43.44 | amundsen | i've just configured a 2.6.0 kernel with ALSA support, but when i do mpg123 *.mp3 it reads de songs but i can hear nothing |
| 02:43.47 | rahul | I'm more likely to die of getting fat by sitting at home rather than getting drunk and walking around town |
| 02:44.03 | helix | rahul: your situation is a little different than most of us |
| 02:44.08 | rahul | helix: is it? |
| 02:44.15 | Frogmorton | amundsen: do you have digital out ? |
| 02:44.16 | RichiH | rahul: i heard that dance dacne revolution is a neat solution to that ;) |
| 02:44.19 | helix | rahul: yes. i need to use a car for most of the time |
| 02:44.20 | rahul | RichiH: hah |
| 02:44.25 | rahul | helix: oh, that :) |
| 02:44.27 | RichiH | rahul: no, really |
| 02:44.29 | mwilson | asg: Not likely... I *never* drive after dark. |
| 02:44.32 | hackeron | deadcat: is he still whining? |
| 02:44.34 | rahul | RichiH: no thanks :) |
| 02:44.39 | tim_m | amundsen: dumb question, did you turn up all the volumes? I think alsa defaults to having all the volume levels at 0. |
| 02:44.43 | RichiH | apparently, there were quite a few fat nerds who become thin nerds |
| 02:44.45 | asg | mwilson: I have to; my wife has night blindness |
| 02:44.49 | amundsen | tim_m, true |
| 02:44.51 | amundsen | :) |
| 02:44.51 | hackeron | rahul: well, with dumb, watch won't work :) |
| 02:44.52 | peterS | rahul: eh, you don't drive much / at all? |
| 02:44.56 | deadcat | hackeron: i am not getting into this mess. you guys fight it out. hehe |
| 02:44.58 | helix | i don't even know what this dance dance revolution thing is |
| 02:45.01 | helix | i must look into it |
| 02:45.10 | rahul | hackeron: ok, so you need to pass it to the command itself |
| 02:45.15 | hackeron | deadcat: no need, he's on my ignore list ;) |
| 02:45.19 | rahul | peterS: don't need to |
| 02:45.23 | mwilson | asg: I don't, I simply refuse to risk my life that way. It's bad enough during the day. |
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| 02:45.28 | hackeron | rahul: hmm |
| 02:45.35 | asg | mwilson: *nod* |
| 02:45.39 | rahul | mwilson: sheesh. you need to practice some Zen. |
| 02:45.40 | helix | peterS: he's in NYC |
| 02:45.40 | RichiH | mwilson: huh? why don't you drive after dark? actually, i like driving at night best. less cars and the few ones around have their lights on |
| 02:45.46 | peterS | ah |
| 02:45.47 | helix | peterS: speaking of which.. did you ever get your plane ticket? |
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| 02:45.59 | peterS | helix: yes. eventually got around to it |
| 02:46.05 | helix | what are the dates? |
| 02:46.08 | RichiH | helix: ps2, eye toy, dance after me |
| 02:46.15 | helix | oh. ps2 |
| 02:46.16 | helix | bleh |
| 02:46.21 | peterS | helix: 16-20 Jan 2004 |
| 02:46.35 | helix | you're a traveling man |
| 02:46.35 | amundsen | tim_m, oss api emulation is necessary in woody ? |
| 02:46.38 | efb | anyone knows what package i should install to run java applets found in websites? There are a lot of packages that seem to do it, but i dont know what is the correct one. |
| 02:46.41 | hackeron | rahul: ok, how :) |
| 02:46.45 | helix | maybe you and rahul can hang out ;) |
| 02:46.47 | mwilson | RichiH: I see no reason to risk my life with California stupids after dark. |
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| 02:46.54 | peterS | heh. and get drunk, I suppose |
| 02:47.01 | helix | haha |
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| 02:47.05 | rahul | hackeron: um, how on earth is watch going to help you if you're not displaying the output directly? |
| 02:47.06 | RichiH | mwilson: uh, are your drivers that bad? |
| 02:47.08 | helix | peterS: he's really quite pleasant when he's sober |
| 02:47.14 | rahul | heh |
| 02:47.17 | helix | RichiH: any city that has a lot of drivers has bad drivers |
| 02:47.20 | peterS | does that happen often? |
| 02:47.21 | asg | RichiH: the majority of drivers are generally bad |
| 02:47.21 | RichiH | daytime is the bad time over here |
| 02:47.26 | helix | peterS: more than you'd think |
| 02:47.26 | tim_m | amundsen: hmm, not really sure. I've actually only used alsa in 2.4, because my sound card driver sucked. I *think* I enabled oss emulation so I didn't need to get a bunch of new tools. |
| 02:47.27 | hackeron | rahul: I am.. |
| 02:47.33 | RichiH | helix, asg: true |
| 02:47.39 | hackeron | rahul: watch -t "last | head -1" > file |
| 02:47.43 | rahul | hackeron: then there's no need to strip the escape codes |
| 02:47.43 | amundsen | tim_m, ok, thx |
| 02:47.45 | rahul | wtf |
| 02:47.50 | rahul | hackeron: that's total nonsense |
| 02:47.54 | mwilson | San Diego is a military town, so you have all the Navy morons. |
| 02:48.00 | helix | i can't say the drivers are really bad where i live but.. i do *not* want to be out when they're out and have been drinking |
| 02:48.03 | RichiH | though i have to say that our driver training is better than the US training by leagues |
| 02:48.04 | helix | mwilson: same for jacksonville |
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| 02:48.25 | amundsen | tim_m, so older distros are not adapted to new 2.6.0 alsa stuff with /dev/pcm ... |
| 02:48.26 | RichiH | i had the 'pleasure' of driving with an us-learned friend quite often |
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| 02:48.50 | helix | RichiH: they didn't even require me to parallel park in my drivers test |
| 02:48.51 | hackeron | rahul: I mean | tac -a file |
| 02:48.53 | asg | RichiH: in the US or somewhere else? |
| 02:48.54 | rahul | helix: wow |
| 02:48.54 | cafuego | RichiH: Yes, elsewhere they at least make sure you can do turns as well as drive in a straight line ;-) |
| 02:48.59 | RichiH | helix: indeed |
| 02:49.00 | helix | rahul: no kidding |
| 02:49.02 | hackeron | rahul: watch -t "last | head -1" | tac -a file |
| 02:49.03 | tim_m | amundsen: guess not, I don't have a /dev/pcm and I'm using testing.... |
| 02:49.09 | RichiH | asg: in germany. pure horror, i tell you |
| 02:49.18 | mwilson | I swear... every time I have to interact with Navy here, I'm really quite frightened about the caliber of people supposedly defending the US. Utterly stupid, the lot of them. |
| 02:49.19 | asg | RichiH: eesh, I can imagine |
| 02:49.20 | rahul | hackeron: nonsense again. last | head -1 is totally stupid |
| 02:49.21 | cafuego | RichiH: Autobahn? |
| 02:49.29 | helix | mwilson: heh, again, same here :) |
| 02:49.30 | hackeron | rahul: why!? |
| 02:49.39 | hackeron | rahul: that way it only shows first line which I want |
| 02:49.39 | peterS | mwilson: then again, you think a lot of people are utterly stupid. leave aside for the moment whether or not you are justified (: |
| 02:49.47 | hackeron | rahul: it's the same as head -n 1 |
| 02:49.53 | RichiH | cafuego: town, over land, autobahn. but no matter where, it was pure horror |
| 02:49.55 | helix | peterS: i think they're stupid too and i'm quite tolerant ;P |
| 02:50.04 | peterS | helix: well, yeah, there is that |
| 02:50.06 | RichiH | he didn't even look ovre his shoulder when changing lanes, i mean, wtf? |
| 02:50.12 | peterS | helix: and you're both right |
| 02:50.23 | helix | russian salad 0wnz me |
| 02:50.33 | cafuego | RichiH: That's a mistake you make once when there's a guy overtaking you at 280 kps and you miss him |
| 02:50.37 | asg | RichiH: that's because blind spot and g-spot are two things most people don't know a hell of a lot about |
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| 02:50.42 | rahul | hackeron: I really don't get what you're trying to do |
| 02:50.57 | amundsen | is it necessary to pass any boot parameter to grub to start in framebuffer mode ? |
| 02:51.02 | peterS | helix: that reminds me. I've got some pesto sitting in a bag at home, gotta remember to get it into a fridge at some point. thanks for the indirect reminder |
| 02:51.03 | hackeron | rahul: I'm trying to tail the top line of last output |
| 02:51.13 | kriley | asg: heh |
| 02:51.16 | rahul | RichiH: if you know which cars have entered and exited your blind spot, no reason to look |
| 02:51.18 | debian | mwilson: why don't you just join the navy to increase the average intelligent there? :) |
| 02:51.19 | helix | peterS: you can always count on me to talk about food |
| 02:51.20 | rijahar | hi - im having problems installing debian. -anybody wat to help? |
| 02:51.22 | RichiH | cafuego: i can brake, honk, steer and flash my lights in a matter of microseconds, in the meantime... |
| 02:51.23 | deadcat | hackeron: thats all? |
| 02:51.26 | rahul | RichiH: it just depends on the traffic |
| 02:51.26 | hackeron | rahul: and stick a new line of it into a file every time it changes |
| 02:51.29 | peterS | helix: yes |
| 02:51.34 | debian | rijahar: not until you state your problem |
| 02:51.36 | rahul | hackeron: that IS last |
| 02:51.42 | mwilson | debian: You're joking, of course. |
| 02:51.48 | RichiH | asg: for the blind spots, there are special mirrors, at least... ;) |
| 02:51.57 | helix | ah, now i know what DDR is. that stupid thing i see little kids playing with at the movie theatre |
| 02:51.58 | RichiH | rahul: erm, wrong |
| 02:52.01 | hackeron | rahul: what? I'm using last but I only want top line as it changes |
| 02:52.03 | peterS | yep |
| 02:52.04 | asg | RichiH: sure, but not on most passenger cars |
| 02:52.04 | RichiH | rahul: i used to think that, too... |
| 02:52.14 | rijahar | partitioning the drive |
| 02:52.25 | rijahar | im a mac user-you have to excuse me |
| 02:52.28 | Justin_ | rahul: will you just tell him to do while true;do clear;date;echo;last|head;sleep 5;done already |
| 02:52.32 | rahul | RichiH: some people have this thing called short term memory :) |
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| 02:52.38 | rijahar | i have a old pc im trying to run it on |
| 02:52.38 | peterS | helix: I expressed doubt as to whether it was at all worthwhile not long ago and was assured by a rather young sister that it's really cool |
| 02:52.38 | hackeron | deadcat: yeah, I want to take top line of last and append it to file everytime it's different, which I can do with uniq, but I can't figure out how to tail it |
| 02:52.38 | cafuego | rahul: That may work in city traffic, it certainly doesn't on a german autobahn. |
| 02:52.51 | RichiH | asg: unfortunately, yes. same thing about cars not automagically switching on their lights when you start them up |
| 02:52.54 | helix | peterS: eh, i dunno.. that's a little too much jumping for me |
| 02:53.05 | rahul | cafuego: not in city traffic. light highway traffic. suburban, mostly. |
| 02:53.06 | helix | i have no foot-eye coordination to speak of anyways |
| 02:53.13 | asg | RichiH: or using proper indicator lights |
| 02:53.14 | peterS | helix: wouldn't work for me either, for various reasons |
| 02:53.17 | rahul | cafuego: too many lanes in city streets |
| 02:53.20 | peterS | not that I've tried it, of course |
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| 02:53.23 | helix | peterS: such as? |
| 02:53.25 | RichiH | rahul: some people drive into your blind spot from places you can't see |
| 02:53.27 | cafuego | rahul: I don't drive in the suburbs, they give me a rash. ;-) |
| 02:53.32 | tim_m | yay. a factoid in dpkg helped me get java working with mozilla 1.5 now that it's entered testing. thanks, bot. |
| 02:53.36 | rahul | cafuego: but in city traffic, you're likely to get into an accident if you look over your shoulder too ling |
| 02:53.36 | deadcat | hackeron: and last -1 doesnt work? |
| 02:53.39 | peterS | helix: 'dance' - ha |
| 02:53.41 | rahul | long, even |
| 02:53.45 | cafuego | rahul: Aw, driving in Paris is fun! |
| 02:53.46 | helix | peterS: it's not really like dancing |
| 02:53.46 | asg | tim_m: /msg <bot> botsnack |
| 02:53.47 | rahul | and long is about 1 second :) |
| 02:53.52 | peterS | helix: I know, I know |
| 02:53.52 | RichiH | asg: to be honest, i don't use indicator lights much. i use them when there is a car near enough to actually care |
| 02:53.58 | rahul | RichiH: not when there are only 3 lanes |
| 02:54.10 | tim_m | asg: it liked. :-) |
| 02:54.12 | hackeron | deadcat: nope |
| 02:54.13 | asg | RichiH: sure, a judgement call is always acceptable |
| 02:54.16 | rahul | I can see and keep track of every car near me |
| 02:54.18 | helix | people in the city don't even drive in lanes, afaict |
| 02:54.20 | debian | !dpkg+ |
| 02:54.22 | RichiH | rahul: "only" three lanes? you don't know much about german towns :) |
| 02:54.26 | rahul | helix: true |
| 02:54.32 | RichiH | asg: indeed |
| 02:54.40 | rahul | cafuego: it's a good habit |
| 02:54.44 | hackeron | deadcat: I suppose I could stick that in a loop, but it also shows wtmp begins Sun Dec 28 20:49:51 2003 which I don't need... |
| 02:54.44 | debian | cafuego: this is a complusory disorder |
| 02:54.46 | cafuego | rahul: Yep |
| 02:54.47 | LoRez | Cobain: turn that off |
| 02:54.51 | RichiH | ~tell cobain about away |
| 02:54.53 | rahul | !penixstrike Cobain, you dumb bot |
| 02:54.53 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 02:54.54 | helix | and all new yorkers drive too close to the backs of other cars |
| 02:55.03 | Tchiak | how do i modify which Windows Manager that X uses? |
| 02:55.10 | peterS | hackeron: you should have a /var/log/wtmp.1 as well |
| 02:55.14 | cafuego | helix: Same in Sydney... and all SUVs. |
| 02:55.15 | rahul | hackeron: how is what you're doing any different from using last in the first place? |
| 02:55.18 | helix | ugh |
| 02:55.21 | asg | Tchiak: /msg dpkg wm |
| 02:55.23 | helix | i *hate* SUV's |
| 02:55.25 | peterS | hackeron: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 ... |
| 02:55.29 | hackeron | deadcat: and I'm not tailing it am I.. |
| 02:55.33 | Cobain | my bad |
| 02:55.34 | cafuego | helix: They make good firewood. |
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| 02:55.40 | RichiH | i don't even stick to the lanes if there is noone about and a slow curve ahead of me |
| 02:55.53 | hackeron | peterS: nope, only /var/log/wtmp |
| 02:55.55 | dondelelcaro | helix: in the city, that's the only way to drive... |
| 02:55.55 | rijahar | do i have to have 2 partitions? one /flaged-boot & Linux swap and one Linux? |
| 02:55.58 | asg | RichiH: practicing for the next rally eh? |
| 02:55.59 | mwilson | And people wonder why I don't like to drive. |
| 02:56.04 | debian | who the fuck deleted Penixstrike |
| 02:56.05 | helix | dondelelcaro: i guess but it scares me :( |
| 02:56.13 | cafuego | @Penixstrike debian |
| 02:56.15 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking debian to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:56.20 | rahul | RichiH: I only do that on one turn, which is a sharp S-curve right by my parents house |
| 02:56.23 | RichiH | SUVs were invented because better motors made it impossible for the saab driving soccer mum to drive slow enough |
| 02:56.25 | hackeron | rahul: WHAT!?, I am using last, I just need to tail changes as they happen! |
| 02:56.29 | Tchiak | i have gnome installed and I think it's windows manager sucks |
| 02:56.30 | rahul | ah, right. ravenbird |
| 02:56.33 | peterS | RichiH: heh |
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| 02:56.45 | helix | RichiH: haha |
| 02:56.55 | hackeron | peterS: how does that help me? |
| 02:56.55 | rahul | hackeron: just watch last, ffs. the file is USELESS |
| 02:56.56 | cafuego | SUVs were invented because normal cars needed a reason to have a horn. |
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| 02:56.59 | peterS | I like SUV's. they give me this really smug feeling when I pass them on my bike and they're pull into filling stations |
| 02:57.02 | MikeH | anyone know where i can get the latest kernel (2.6 stable) deb from? |
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| 02:57.07 | cafuego | peterS: :-) |
| 02:57.12 | debian | cafuego: I don't want penixstrike from a bird |
| 02:57.13 | ShadowRage | fucking figure, fuck slackware |
| 02:57.13 | helix | peterS: heh, no kidding.. |
| 02:57.16 | ShadowRage | figures* |
| 02:57.16 | RichiH | asg: no, saving gas and time ;) |
| 02:57.21 | asg | RichiH: :) |
| 02:57.28 | hackeron | rahul: dude, I need my script to see the changes as they happen! |
| 02:57.28 | rahul | debian: HEH |
| 02:57.40 | ShadowRage | can you get an iso with debian on it with the basic stuff? |
| 02:57.45 | mwilson | MikeH: There isn't one, of course. |
| 02:57.47 | rsff | MikeH: sorry buddy, if you want it you need to get kernel-source from sid repository, and compile the deb yourself. |
| 02:57.48 | rahul | hackeron: dude, it never will unless you hook into wtmp directly |
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| 02:57.53 | rahul | hackeron: maybe using FAM |
| 02:57.54 | debian | !penixstrike |
| 02:57.55 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. I almost never use my horn... /me tends to hit the hi-beams first... |
| 02:58.08 | rahul | hackeron: but last ALREADY does this |
| 02:58.11 | hax | the horn is overrated |
| 02:58.11 | peterS | debian: you can't penixstrike without a target. It could blow up in your hand |
| 02:58.16 | RichiH | asg: no, really. it does not make sense to stay on a lane when there is _no_ other car about and you can see all the way ahead of you |
| 02:58.18 | rahul | ~penixstrike |
| 02:58.19 | | A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
| 02:58.20 | helix | eww |
| 02:58.20 | rsff | MikeH: if you neve done it before, youmight NOT want to start with 2.6... |
| 02:58.21 | Justin_ | rahul: nah, he just actually has to read his supposed book, it is beyond easy |
| 02:58.34 | debian | peterS: it used to have a non target penixstrike |
| 02:58.35 | rahul | Justin_: how is what he wants any different from what last already does? |
| 02:58.35 | RichiH | well, it does make some kind of sense, but not staying on them does make sense, too :) |
| 02:58.36 | debian | @penixstrike |
| 02:58.46 | rahul | debian: apt still does |
| 02:58.58 | peterS | debian: well, yeah, so it did. it could still blow up in your hand. exercise a little caution |
| 02:58.59 | Justin_ | rahul: he wants it in another file for some demented reason |
| 02:59.00 | hackeron | rahul: dude, does last take output from /var/log/wtmp change date to timestamp, and queries /var/log/squid/access.log with matches to identify which users access which sites? |
| 02:59.04 | debian | rahul: apt is controlled by some unknown person now. |
| 02:59.14 | debian | ~penixstrike |
| 02:59.16 | | A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
| 02:59.25 | hackeron | rahul: matchine IP at the time and the time user was logged in vs access.log |
| 02:59.28 | hackeron | rahul: matching* |
| 02:59.34 | peterS | what are penii, anyway? |
| 02:59.43 | rahul | peterS: pluiral of penix |
| 02:59.44 | RichiH | debian: it is controlled by timriker |
| 02:59.44 | peterS | or, let me rephrase |
| 02:59.47 | peterS | what is a penius? |
| 02:59.53 | MikeH | rsff: ive compiled kernels before, im just lazy :) |
| 02:59.53 | RichiH | rahul: plurial? ;) |
| 02:59.56 | rahul | heh |
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| 03:00.05 | rahul | RichiH: I'm a bit physically disabled here :P |
| 03:00.09 | hackeron | rahul: all I want to do, is tail the output of last as changes happen so my script automatically matches them with access.log realtime.. |
| 03:00.10 | peterS | what is wrong with 'penices'? |
| 03:00.10 | farmboy | Hello, I am installing Debian (woody) from these CDroms I created, and they booted and I have partitioned the drives already and now is is asking me to 'Select Net Module". Am I soppose to know which network card I have in the machine? |
| 03:00.14 | hackeron | rahul: do you understand now?? |
| 03:00.15 | RichiH | rahul: i.e. drunk |
| 03:00.24 | mwilson | hackeron: Good lord... if you need to be so anal about what they look at, why do they have access to the 'net at all? |
| 03:00.29 | rahul | RichiH: no, tired from being drunk, then not sleeping enough |
| 03:00.34 | mwilson | farmboy: Of course. |
| 03:00.35 | rahul | and having a hell of a hangover |
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| 03:00.40 | rsff | MikeH: :-) |
| 03:00.44 | debian | peterS: Penix! not penis or penius. Penix is a name, family name. Who thinks Penix is a profanity is an insult to all people who has Penix as first name |
| 03:00.45 | rsff | me too. |
| 03:00.52 | cafuego | Silly children with the alcohol and hookers :-P |
| 03:00.56 | hackeron | mwilson: because the board of education requires internet access at schools, but they also require strict monitoring |
| 03:00.56 | RichiH | farmboy: actually you are, yes |
| 03:01.00 | peterS | debian: so, why is the plural 'penii' instead of 'penices'? |
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| 03:01.02 | farmboy | What If I dont know right now? |
| 03:01.03 | rahul | cafuego: no hookers here, actually :) |
| 03:01.14 | rahul | peterS: ask penix |
| 03:01.21 | debian | peterS: may be we should jsut change it to 'Penixs' :) |
| 03:01.29 | mwilson | farmboy: Then you have a problem, don't you. Next time get all the information BEFORE you start. |
| 03:01.33 | helix | i think penices is right |
| 03:01.36 | rsff | peterS: probably because its latin? |
| 03:01.36 | cafuego | peterS: The plural of 'penix' is 'penii' by definition. |
| 03:01.38 | helix | for instance, i would be helices |
| 03:01.39 | peterS | debian,rahul: actually, come to think of it, yes - if penix is a proper noun, the plural is penixs. |
| 03:01.44 | RichiH | farmboy: open the case while the box is running. grab a flashlight, look |
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| 03:01.53 | debian | peterS: ....agree |
| 03:01.56 | rahul | helix: yeah, but this is penix. rules need not apply. |
| 03:02.03 | helix | good point |
| 03:02.06 | helix | besides, he works for nasa |
| 03:02.08 | rahul | peterS: not really. |
| 03:02.09 | rahul | heh |
| 03:02.10 | peterS | so, what are you guys saying ... |
| 03:02.13 | peterS | penix rules? |
| 03:02.13 | debian | helix: there won't be more helix, or the world would end |
| 03:02.25 | cafuego | helix: I find when adding a helix to another helix i get 'knotty mess' ;-) |
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| 03:02.32 | helix | debian: i think the world would be well served with several helix's |
| 03:02.37 | rahul | cafuego: or DNA :) |
| 03:02.43 | rsff | wait. Is penis' plural is penii, then does that mean that the plural os Linus is Linii too? |
| 03:02.48 | RichiH | cafuego: you can screw two helices into each other |
| 03:02.54 | rahul | rsff: no. |
| 03:02.58 | rsff | :-) |
| 03:02.59 | peterS | rsff: it's not. plural of penis is penes. |
| 03:03.00 | farmboy | RichieH: That was what I was thinking about doing right now...;-) |
| 03:03.09 | rsff | :-) |
| 03:03.10 | debian | helix: I won't consider a duplicate of helix benefitical to the society |
| 03:03.14 | RichiH | rsff: no, that would be linuu |
| 03:03.17 | grew | there is way too much talk of penis in a channel full of men |
| 03:03.20 | helix | debian: my heart is broken |
| 03:03.28 | RichiH | farmboy: then do so :) |
| 03:03.29 | debian | helix: we've enough vegeterian on earth. |
| 03:03.29 | rsff | What about Linux? What'sits Plural...? |
| 03:03.30 | rahul | grew: we're talking about penix, not penis |
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| 03:03.37 | rahul | linuces |
| 03:03.38 | peterS | debian: there *are* two helices. the one you know is the second |
| 03:03.43 | grew | rahul: i see both being discussed |
| 03:03.46 | helix | not that there's anything wrong with talking about penis |
| 03:03.51 | rahul | grew: only as a tangent |
| 03:03.51 | muaddib_ | hi |
| 03:03.56 | cafuego | exactly, it' |
| 03:03.59 | cafuego | s all about cock |
| 03:04.05 | helix | haha |
| 03:04.05 | debian | peterS: or, Appendixs, Appendixes or Appendices? :) |
| 03:04.10 | helix | WORSHIP THE COCK |
| 03:04.10 | grew | lol |
| 03:04.14 | peterS | debian: the latter, since appendix isn't a proper noun |
| 03:04.14 | rahul | (pun unintentional :P) |
| 03:04.15 | grew | #debian needs a quote bot |
| 03:04.15 | nevyn | uh-huh... |
| 03:04.29 | RichiH | grew: no, it does not. believe me ;) |
| 03:04.36 | grew | hehe |
| 03:04.41 | grew | RichiH: thats why it does lol |
| 03:04.48 | rsff | muaddib, hi....? |
| 03:05.08 | RichiH | grew: just browse bash.org - but don't you dare and start posting it in here... |
| 03:05.16 | helix | cafuego: do you ever make hummus? |
| 03:05.16 | debian | rahul: I don't see any problem with your factoid and I don't the dictatorship that is with the use of dpkg. :( |
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| 03:05.23 | muaddib_ | [question] a quick tool to encode a string into base64 for authenticating on http/1.0 realm? |
| 03:05.25 | helix | or hommous, whatever |
| 03:05.43 | cafuego | helix: I buy chickpeas (organic) in slabs of 24 cans at the mediterraneas wholesaler here; ie: yes. |
| 03:05.44 | debian | rahul: don't like, even |
| 03:05.51 | pat5star | I'm cleaning up /etc/passwd and have a question about a user. I think it was created when I installed debian on it...it's called news. I can only find one directory that is owned by it and it has 3 files: news.crit, news.err, news.notice. What is this and do I need it? |
| 03:05.52 | peterS | muaddib_: mime-codecs |
| 03:05.59 | rahul | debian: shrug, oh well |
| 03:06.15 | helix | cafuego: ever made it with anything besides chickpeas? the reason i ask is because i had some (really good) black bean hummus the other day and the ingredients didn't mention chickpeas |
| 03:06.15 | Spike-Sp | bonne nuit |
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| 03:06.19 | debian | rahul: *sob* |
| 03:06.22 | rahul | heh |
| 03:06.24 | cafuego | helix: "hommus/hummus/humus/hommous/hummous/chickpea dip" here depending on who spells it. |
| 03:06.26 | rahul | helix: interesting |
| 03:06.34 | nevyn | muaddib_: python? |
| 03:06.38 | helix | cafuego: so i wondered if adding black beans to chickpea hummus is the right thing or do i substitute completely? |
| 03:06.45 | muaddib_ | peterS: cant find any man page for that one. |
| 03:06.55 | rahul | helix: I think just black beans should work fine |
| 03:06.55 | muaddib_ | nevyn: iam not familiar with python. |
| 03:06.58 | cafuego | helix: Just substitute completely, aly pulse should work. |
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| 03:07.02 | cafuego | s/aly/any/ |
| 03:07.02 | helix | rahul: that's what i was thinking |
| 03:07.07 | peterS | muaddib_: it's a package you can install |
| 03:07.08 | helix | ok :) |
| 03:07.13 | rahul | helix: the mix would be yet another taste |
| 03:07.16 | cafuego | helix: Even broad beans, should you be a masochist ;-) |
| 03:07.20 | rsff | isn't there a tool to convert from one char encoding to another? |
| 03:07.21 | helix | heh |
| 03:07.24 | muaddib_ | peterS: i did so, but wonder how to use it. |
| 03:07.27 | rahul | cafuego: eek |
| 03:07.31 | peterS | rsff: iconv |
| 03:07.34 | peterS | rsff: comes with libc |
| 03:07.41 | helix | i wonder if pigeon pea hummus would be good |
| 03:07.42 | cafuego | helix: Although i wouldn't recommend using lentils. |
| 03:07.55 | rsff | peterS: yeah, but it was something like dos2unix... |
| 03:07.56 | peterS | helix: the combination of names there just sounds daunting |
| 03:07.57 | debian | helix: can I get a taste of it once you've done it? :) |
| 03:07.59 | helix | cafuego: i haven't cooked with them much |
| 03:08.11 | cafuego | helix: if you're a vegertarian, you should. |
| 03:08.15 | helix | debian: of course :) |
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| 03:08.19 | rahul | I was going to say... |
| 03:08.22 | cafuego | helix: lentils contain a lot of iron |
| 03:08.23 | helix | cafuego: yes, that's what i hear but i've only recently begun to cook |
| 03:08.36 | rahul | if you don't have lentils and you're a vegetarian, you're bound to have trouble |
| 03:08.38 | debian | helix: Fedex it to Hong Kong. I'd like it arrive before lunch. Thanks a lot |
| 03:08.40 | helix | cafuego: i've *eaten* lentils, just never cooked with them.. they're in microwave stuff i buy |
| 03:08.47 | helix | debian: np. HAND. |
| 03:09.05 | cafuego | helix: ALso, lentils come pre-cooked in a can.... just fry some onion and indian spices, add can of lentils, add coriander, much with rice :-) |
| 03:09.10 | cafuego | s/much/munch/ |
| 03:09.11 | pat5star | anyone know what the 'news' user is on debian for? |
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| 03:09.28 | dondelelcaro | pat5star: for nntp |
| 03:09.33 | rahul | cooking lentils isn't that much harder than adding all the spices |
| 03:09.41 | helix | cafuego: how long do they take to cook in their dry form? do most people use a crockpot or leave them in water for a day or two? |
| 03:09.49 | rahul | helix: the latter is best |
| 03:10.03 | cafuego | helix: Soak overnight and cook for 45 mins or so. |
| 03:10.08 | helix | cafuego: kind of like tofu.. frozen then unfrozen then cook with it |
| 03:10.21 | helix | cafuego: *nod*, i'll try your recipe in the next day or two |
| 03:10.25 | pat5star | dondelelcaro: ok thanks...so it should be safe to uncomment that then on a server? |
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| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | pat5star: it wont make difference either way... |
| 03:10.50 | dondelelcaro | pat5star: those users can't login, and shouldn't own any files. |
| 03:10.51 | helix | cafuego: tofu scramble kicks ass |
| 03:11.06 | cafuego | Hmmmm. |
| 03:11.08 | rahul | helix: erm, I mean a crockpot for about 12 hours is best |
| 03:11.10 | debian | cafuego: in China tofu is the main dishes :) |
| 03:11.14 | helix | rahul: oh. |
| 03:11.20 | cafuego | debian: Not really, no. |
| 03:11.20 | rahul | a crockpot is a brand name for a slow cooker isn't it? |
| 03:11.23 | pat5star | dondelelcaro: I was just worried about the 3 files owned by it...they looked like logging level scripts or something and I didn't want to mess anything up |
| 03:11.24 | peterS | yes |
| 03:11.29 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeah... |
| 03:11.34 | rahul | ok, just making sure |
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| 03:11.38 | dondelelcaro | helix: they're like $35 at kmart or something... |
| 03:11.43 | muaddib_ | [question another aproach] : how to authanticate to http/1.0 realm from a bash script and "push the trigger". if no help going to learn that nasty python. |
| 03:11.45 | helix | dondelelcaro: cool.. thanks :) |
| 03:11.54 | debian | cafuego: only very cheap dishes would put tofu on the side or under some main dishes |
| 03:12.14 | cafuego | muaddib_: Use apache's built-in auth on the dir the script is in; done. |
| 03:12.17 | nevyn | muaddib_: python -c 'import string, base64; print "mytest".encode("base64")' |
| 03:12.21 | rahul | what's interesting about kmart is that there's a kmart in manhattan and not in the suburbs and walmarts are only in the suburbs |
| 03:12.31 | helix | rahul: what about target? |
| 03:12.31 | dondelelcaro | rahul: although I think its become like rollerblades and kleenex... |
| 03:12.37 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 03:12.45 | nevyn | muaddib_: does that do what you want? |
| 03:12.49 | helix | my ex was always complaining there were not target stores in ny.. and always wanted to go to them when he came to florida |
| 03:12.50 | rahul | helix: only in suburbs here |
| 03:12.53 | cafuego | debian: No, I mean tofu is a part of chinese food but by no means in everything/a main ingredient |
| 03:12.55 | rahul | helix: target is VERY southern |
| 03:13.01 | helix | word up |
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| 03:13.05 | rahul | heh |
| 03:13.08 | peterS | southern? |
| 03:13.09 | debian | cafuego: you haven't tried a very famous one called 'Prosperous Jade' |
| 03:13.12 | cafuego | debian: it's still mainly chicken/pork/fish |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | tar-jey... |
| 03:13.17 | rsff | When I was a kid, I like playing video-games in Target... |
| 03:13.17 | rahul | that damn super target in houston is a POS |
| 03:13.19 | peterS | target is all over Kansas, which considers itself quite midwestern |
| 03:13.22 | rsff | Kmart never offered that... :-) |
| 03:13.22 | helix | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 03:13.23 | debian | cafuego: next time you come to hong kong I can show it to you |
| 03:13.24 | muaddib_ | nevyn: thx, its look like a correct answer :) |
| 03:13.28 | rahul | peterS: well, that too |
| 03:13.43 | cafuego | debian: With a bit of luck in May this year <heh> |
| 03:13.48 | muaddib_ | is python really so powerful :P |
| 03:13.51 | peterS | rahul: I know, I know. in NY nobody thinks anything much exists between the east coast, Chicago, Texas, and the west coast |
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| 03:14.00 | nevyn | muaddib_: python is lovely |
| 03:14.05 | helix | peterS: they're not wrong though |
| 03:14.09 | debian | cafuego: really, you'd be surprise to see how great they made this tofu dishes |
| 03:14.11 | rahul | peterS: well, Kansas is the "south" as far as I'm concerned :) |
| 03:14.13 | dondelelcaro | muaddib_: its turing complete, so its as powerfull as you make it. |
| 03:14.20 | peterS | rahul: come tell people here that |
| 03:14.24 | rahul | peterS: :P |
| 03:14.26 | rsff | No thei're not. . . . they're really big snakes, and they crush people before they eat them... |
| 03:14.30 | peterS | helix: perhaps |
| 03:14.35 | nevyn | muaddib_: for that kind of stuff I feel it's far more readable than perl. |
| 03:14.37 | rahul | my dad got his masters at the univ of kansas actually |
| 03:14.41 | helix | midwestern rappers are making the midwest popular |
| 03:14.43 | nevyn | someone provide the perl equiv? |
| 03:14.47 | cafuego | debian: there's a bunch of great chinese places here that do tofu very well over here too, I believe you :-) |
| 03:15.00 | helix | bleh! |
| 03:15.08 | helix | peterS: you don't listen to anything made after 1985 |
| 03:15.09 | muaddib_ | nevyn: thx again, im going to base64 encode whatever on mind mind with python;) |
| 03:15.09 | peterS | helix: friend tofu? |
| 03:15.14 | helix | oh. FRIED. |
| 03:15.20 | peterS | helix: not true. my cutoff date is more like 1994 |
| 03:15.20 | debian | helix: I wouldn't eat friends if I were you |
| 03:15.24 | cafuego | debian: the "Flower Drum" restaurant here has been described as the best chinese restaurant in the southern hemisphere. |
| 03:15.26 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: perl equivalent of what? base64? |
| 03:15.36 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
| 03:15.37 | rsff | I love this forum.... |
| 03:15.41 | helix | debian: well, there is the whole cat thing.. they are my friends |
| 03:15.43 | helix | ;P |
| 03:15.49 | helix | rsff: which forum? |
| 03:15.51 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: the oneliner to convert a string to base64 |
| 03:15.54 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: Mime::Base64 |
| 03:15.57 | debian | cafuego: don't trust the tourist guide, man, they're over charging tourists with lousy food |
| 03:16.12 | rsff | The one that talks about penix on Base64, with Python... :-) |
| 03:16.15 | peterS | helix: I figured you meant 'fried'. it was a funny typo, though, you must admit |
| 03:16.25 | debian | cafuego: say when you see they put tofu at the side and under they're cheap |
| 03:16.26 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: or perl -MMime::Base64 -e 'print encode_base64(q(foo))' |
| 03:16.28 | helix | rsff: oh. channel :) |
| 03:16.30 | cafuego | debian: What, in Hong Kong? No, I go to the markets and eat custard tarts until I explode generally. |
| 03:16.44 | helix | cafuego: i knew the anti-pop suit would come in handy |
| 03:16.46 | cafuego | debian: the Flower Drum is in Melbourne (australia) |
| 03:16.50 | debian | cafuego: custard tarts? |
| 03:16.56 | dondelelcaro | mmm... tarts... |
| 03:16.57 | debian | cafuego: oic |
| 03:17.01 | cafuego | debian: Yep |
| 03:17.15 | rsff | what would those be, tarts? |
| 03:17.22 | cafuego | helix: it actually tasted like tofu as well |
| 03:17.33 | helix | cafuego: so it tasted like nothing? |
| 03:17.39 | cafuego | rsff: Pastry |
| 03:17.40 | peterS | I was gonna say |
| 03:17.48 | debian | cafuego: that's one of Hongkong's famous desserts? |
| 03:17.48 | dondelelcaro | rsff: very small pies. generally bite sized (or two bite sized) |
| 03:17.48 | nevyn | muaddib_: you don't need string so you can delete that if you want |
| 03:17.50 | RichiH | hmm, why is it that when more than 5-10 regulars are active at the same time that we always get into point- and senseless topics in a matter of seconds? (and yes, this came way too late:) |
| 03:17.50 | Xenocide | Migrating debian to a different init isn't easy, is it? |
| 03:17.56 | cafuego | debian: I dunno, I just know I like 'em a LOT ;-) |
| 03:18.03 | rsff | dondelelcaro: sounds like they taste good. |
| 03:18.04 | helix | RichiH: it's rahul's fault |
| 03:18.04 | debian | Xenocide: init <number> |
| 03:18.06 | rahul | Xenocide: it's easy if you use the ones in debian |
| 03:18.10 | RichiH | Xenocide: i wouldn't assume so, no |
| 03:18.12 | mwilson | Xenocide: Why would you want to> |
| 03:18.16 | grew | Xenocide: no its not |
| 03:18.16 | nevyn | muaddib_: infact you don't need any of the modules. |
| 03:18.19 | RichiH | helix: ah, yes. sure! |
| 03:18.20 | Xenocide | mwilson: boot times |
| 03:18.23 | helix | RichiH: the other theory is that we don't have a lot of computer problems and have no questions to ask :) |
| 03:18.24 | debian | mwilson: a geeky way to reboot. :) |
| 03:18.29 | rahul | helix: well, yeah. it is :) |
| 03:18.30 | Xenocide | mwilson: experimentation |
| 03:18.34 | RichiH | helix: ah, no |
| 03:18.36 | debian | cafuego: is that sweet? |
| 03:18.38 | nevyn | muaddib_: python -c 'print "mystring".encode("base64")' |
| 03:18.41 | debian | cafuego: yellow? |
| 03:18.43 | cafuego | Xenocide: sysctl -w kernel.panic=1 |
| 03:18.44 | Mawbid | I just got the idea to set up a cvs server for myself. I see debian has a cvs-pserver helper script. Is there also something to set the inetd entry, create a repository, fix perms, and anyhting else I wouldn't know about? (I've never setup a non-debian pserver either) |
| 03:18.54 | rahul | Mawbid: don't use pserver |
| 03:18.54 | Xenocide | cafuego: no thanks |
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| 03:18.58 | RichiH | cafuego: uh, does that work? |
| 03:18.59 | rahul | Mawbid: use ssh. |
| 03:19.03 | cafuego | debian: yep, with eggy yellow stuff inside |
| 03:19.17 | cafuego | RichiH: Can't say I've ever tried :-P |
| 03:19.26 | Xenocide | rahul: which ones are in debian? |
| 03:19.33 | rahul | Xenocide: file-rc |
| 03:19.35 | blackisha | can i boot froma\ an install disk and then continue using the cdrom |
| 03:19.44 | RichiH | cafuego: hmm, if i time out, it worked |
| 03:19.45 | peterS | let me see if I can get us back on topic here... |
| 03:19.48 | peterS | can anyone tell me if knoppix is the same as debian? |
| 03:19.52 | rahul | peterS: it's not |
| 03:19.55 | helix | ~lart peterS |
| 03:19.56 | cafuego | helix: Don't forget to put a LOT of cummin and ground coriander in. |
| 03:20.01 | helix | cafuego: yes sir |
| 03:20.03 | RichiH | no, it does not |
| 03:20.05 | peterS | helix: thanks, I've missed that sort of thing |
| 03:20.07 | Xenocide | talking about init scripts is on topic |
| 03:20.14 | rahul | peterS: knoppix is the evil bastard child of debian :) |
| 03:20.14 | nevyn | peterS: hrm.. it's based on debian.. but it's not the same as debian |
| 03:20.17 | RichiH | cafuego: boooooooring |
| 03:20.24 | helix | cafuego: any other advice? |
| 03:20.26 | RichiH | i'll brb |
| 03:20.27 | helix | this is my first time :( |
| 03:20.30 | rsff | blackisha: elaborate on that please. You mean, book from floppy and run the CD, or boot from CD and use another CD? |
| 03:20.31 | nevyn | rahul: hrm that could be a tad harsh |
| 03:20.31 | rahul | Xenocide: no one said it's not :P |
| 03:20.32 | peterS | nevyn: YHBT, HTH, HAND, etc (: |
| 03:20.33 | debian | cafuego: cool, they call me tart expert here. :) |
| 03:20.36 | cafuego | helix: toast the spices before you add 'em |
| 03:20.44 | cafuego | debian: <heh> |
| 03:20.47 | blackisha | boot from floppy & run the cd |
| 03:20.50 | Xenocide | rahul: i think peterS did |
| 03:20.51 | helix | hm |
| 03:21.00 | helix | cafuego: it was nice of you to assume i'm using fresh spices |
| 03:21.01 | debian | cafuego: we just call them egg-tart. and I can bring you to eat the best tarts on earth. :) |
| 03:21.03 | helix | thx neway |
| 03:21.06 | Mawbid | damnit, why do I always have to do this? Instead of continuing to do what I was doing, I now go off on a tangent to set up a damn cvs server -- and probably never finish the original task |
| 03:21.07 | rahul | Xenocide: he wasn't talking about you. he was talking about us regulars |
| 03:21.07 | cafuego | helix: When done, cover with a layer of olive oil and sprinkle sweet paprika powder |
| 03:21.11 | Xenocide | heh |
| 03:21.21 | rsff | blackisha: don't see why there would be a problem. |
| 03:21.25 | Xenocide | ill be a regular yet |
| 03:21.26 | cafuego | helix: Even if they're from a packet, toast 'em. |
| 03:21.31 | peterS | Mawbid: yeah really. upgrade to subversion already (: |
| 03:21.37 | rsff | blackisha: so long the kernel knows there is a CD-Rom, it should find any problem running the CD. |
| 03:21.41 | pat5star | maybe I'm being too paranoid, but cleaning up a default debian /etc/passwd file resulted in me commenting out 13 users...and all had a shell! |
| 03:21.51 | rahul | Mawbid: it's trivial. install cvs and init the repo dir. you're all set. |
| 03:21.54 | helix | cafuego: so dump them all on a tray and put them in the oven? |
| 03:22.00 | rsff | blackisha: sorry, there shouln't be any problems running a CD. |
| 03:22.09 | muaddib_ | nevyn: oks, is python so magic to connect directly to serv, POST a word and disconnect :) i need this to RESET a taiwan wap who does love to hang in the middle of a night. |
| 03:22.14 | Mawbid | how ready is subversion? |
| 03:22.24 | cafuego | helix: Just use a small saucepan and shake 'em around over a low flame until they smell Real Good[tm] |
| 03:22.27 | dondelelcaro | Mawbid: I'm using it. |
| 03:22.34 | cafuego | helix: _do not_ leave unattended |
| 03:22.36 | helix | cafuego: gotcha. i can do that |
| 03:22.37 | peterS | Mawbid: I've got only limited experience but it seems pretty close to a stable release |
| 03:22.47 | dondelelcaro | Mawbid: works reasonably well, but probably a good idea to keep backups of the repository... |
| 03:22.49 | Xenocide | anyways, I hear work is being done to move apt/dpkg/dselect to an architecture/kernel independent system |
| 03:22.59 | nevyn | muaddib_: you can do that pretty easily. |
| 03:23.01 | peterS | Mawbid: it's not a 100% cvs drop-in replacement but I like the design decisions they made that make it different |
| 03:23.06 | rahul | Xenocide: it has been |
| 03:23.17 | rahul | Xenocide: debian/w32, debian/kfreebsd |
| 03:23.19 | Xenocide | then ive been reading old news |
| 03:23.34 | peterS | cafuego: fine art. har har har |
| 03:23.36 | rahul | Xenocide: it's still dependent on unix, of course |
| 03:23.36 | Xenocide | how do they deal with init? |
| 03:23.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: gimp automation! ;-) |
| 03:23.47 | rsff | Photoshop automation cafuego? |
| 03:23.50 | rahul | Xenocide: init has nothing to do with arch or kernel |
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| 03:23.55 | rsff | is that possible? |
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| 03:23.59 | rahul | Xenocide: it's just an app. |
| 03:24.00 | dondelelcaro | rsff: yes. |
| 03:24.03 | Xenocide | rahul: so they all use the same init scripts. |
| 03:24.04 | nevyn | I need my own machine not having docs drives me insane..... |
| 03:24.07 | rsff | So you just press a button, and it draws for you? |
| 03:24.07 | muaddib_ | nevyn: with python, you mean? |
| 03:24.10 | rahul | Xenocide: yes |
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| 03:24.17 | dondelelcaro | rsff: even that, yes. see aaron. |
| 03:24.20 | rahul | Xenocide: but file-rc exists. |
| 03:24.24 | dondelelcaro | !aaron |
| 03:24.29 | Unfrgiven | i use apt-listbugs to retrieve the list of bugs, but how do i view the details of the bug from the command line? |
| 03:24.32 | RichiH | http://www.borussen-hoppels.de/Fun_Pics/Diverse/Fun_Pics/fun_pics_9.html |
| 03:24.35 | Xenocide | is file-rc different than the default? |
| 03:24.37 | rahul | aaron is amazingly slow. |
| 03:24.41 | RichiH | you want to see that :) |
| 03:24.42 | rahul | that guy needs to optimize it |
| 03:24.44 | rsff | !aaron |
| 03:24.45 | peterS | Xenocide: yes |
| 03:24.51 | rahul | I'd be glad to do it, actually :) |
| 03:24.51 | nevyn | muaddib_: yeah it's reasonably trivial |
| 03:24.52 | Xenocide | gah |
| 03:25.00 | rsff | dondelelcaro: no response from !aaron. |
| 03:25.13 | peterS | Xenocide: it uses files instead of dirs of symlinks. if you use /usr/sbin/update-rc.d you don't have to notice the difference (: |
| 03:25.13 | rahul | optimizing lisp code is one of the things I like to do most |
| 03:25.27 | rsff | apt asks me if I'm using windows... |
| 03:25.28 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rsff |
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| 03:25.32 | peterS | rahul: CL, scheme, elisp, ...? |
| 03:25.33 | rahul | hmm, I think he uses ACL, tho, so I can't add more transformations to the compiler. doh. |
| 03:25.36 | rahul | peterS: CL |
| 03:25.37 | nevyn | rahul: sigh. |
| 03:25.55 | nevyn | scheme is far more scary than lisp in some ways.. it's also more usefull.. |
| 03:26.00 | dondelelcaro | !aaron is <reply> Aaron is a weak AI cybernetic artist by Raymond Kurzweil. See http://www.kurzweilcyberart.com/aaron/ |
| 03:26.00 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 03:26.03 | efb | anyone knows if i need a java SDK to run the applets from websites? |
| 03:26.03 | peterS | rahul: never got into CL. people who use it love it, but I can't see why |
| 03:26.04 | rahul | nevyn: hah |
| 03:26.21 | rahul | peterS: because it's got everything you need to start with and you can add whatever you want afterwards |
| 03:26.24 | nevyn | rahul: the whole building stack problem is an issue for me |
| 03:26.31 | rahul | nevyn: huh? |
| 03:26.33 | muaddib_ | nevyn: thx a lot for base64 stuff. now im going to start learning over and over again... |
| 03:26.37 | Xenocide | hmm. i was wanting to try out some dependency based inits, but from the looks of it, id have to migrate them over one step at a time. not what I call fun. |
| 03:26.44 | nevyn | rahul: lisp can't iterate. |
| 03:26.49 | rahul | hahahah |
| 03:26.49 | pat5star | efb: you don't need the sdk, you just need a jre (java runtime environment) |
| 03:26.51 | rahul | nevyn: you are a moron |
| 03:26.54 | Xenocide | nevyn: iterate? |
| 03:27.00 | peterS | rahul: does CL have loops or do you have to simulate them with recursion? I *hate* doing that |
| 03:27.03 | rahul | nevyn: iteration is the thing lisp does better than any other language |
| 03:27.05 | Xenocide | nevyn: did tail recurision die? |
| 03:27.22 | nevyn | rahul: it can recurse.. |
| 03:27.23 | efb | pat5star is the j2re from blackdown.org enough? |
| 03:27.24 | rahul | peterS: CL has the best looping operators of any language. there are actually two sublanguages for iteration |
| 03:27.29 | rahul | nevyn: so? |
| 03:27.30 | Xenocide | nevyn: tail recursion == iteration |
| 03:27.31 | rsff | dondelelcaro: I Guess you can download Aaron as Shareware software now. No wonder its a weak AI artist... |
| 03:27.41 | nevyn | Xenocide: exactly. |
| 03:27.45 | rahul | peterS: LOOP, which is ANSI standard, and SERIES which is a library |
| 03:27.51 | peterS | rahul: ok |
| 03:27.54 | pat5star | efb: yep, or java.sun.com now has one that runs good on linux |
| 03:27.55 | Xenocide | nevyn: so you must then concede your point |
| 03:28.06 | Xenocide | lisp can perform tail recursion, no? |
| 03:28.12 | rahul | peterS: I REALLY love SERIES |
| 03:28.13 | nevyn | Xenocide: lisp doesn't have tail recursion. |
| 03:28.17 | rahul | hahah |
| 03:28.24 | Xenocide | that sounds like a fallacy |
| 03:28.25 | rahul | nevyn: please stop it with the rabid ignorance |
| 03:28.26 | dondelelcaro | rsff: I think you're misparsing that. Aaron is an impressivee "weak AI" cybernetic artist. [Eg, not strong AI] |
| 03:28.28 | nevyn | Xenocide: it's one of the scheme features. |
| 03:28.29 | peterS | Xenocide: tail recursion is just a compiler optimisation of recursion |
| 03:28.42 | rahul | peterS: it's not a compiler optimization |
| 03:28.43 | Xenocide | peterS: true. |
| 03:28.57 | cafuego | .. or not. |
| 03:28.57 | peterS | Xenocide: so, since lisp has recursion, you can do tail recursion if you order your code that way and the compiler knows to optimise it |
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| 03:29.00 | rahul | peterS: it's a semantic code sturcture, which is actually rather impossible to define in CL |
| 03:29.11 | farmboy | I am installing Debian, and its asking me to select net modules, I opened the PC while it was still running and I have a NETWORK EVERYWHERE E570 NC100 FAST ETHERNET 10/100 card. But I do not see it in the list. What should I select? |
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| 03:29.20 | rsff | dondelelcaro: please enlightned me. What is the diference between "weak AI" and "strong AI". |
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| 03:29.34 | brq22 | helloi |
| 03:29.34 | gratuit | is it possible to map a keyboard keypress to a mouse click? |
| 03:29.34 | rahul | peterS: (let ((foo bar)) (blah)) MAY have (blah) as a tail call and may nor |
| 03:29.35 | peterS | rahul: clearly I'm thinking of a different definition for tail recursion than you are. since you're the CL hacker, I'm probably the confused one (: |
| 03:29.35 | brq22 | hello |
| 03:29.36 | rahul | not, even |
| 03:29.36 | Xenocide | rsff: weak AI is merely pretending to think |
| 03:29.37 | nevyn | farmboy: what's the chip on it? |
| 03:29.45 | Xenocide | rsff: strong AI *IS* thinking |
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| 03:30.02 | rahul | peterS: tail recursion is the actual act of what the code does, not what the compiler does |
| 03:30.09 | rsff | Xenocide: thanks! So Google's engine could sort of be considered to be Strong AI... |
| 03:30.11 | rahul | peterS: tail call optimization is what the compiler does |
| 03:30.17 | dondelelcaro | rsff: no, its weak ai. |
| 03:30.18 | rahul | rsff: no |
| 03:30.20 | peterS | rahul: ah ok |
| 03:30.20 | Xenocide | farmboy; tulip, but check lsmod |
| 03:30.27 | gratuit | i.e. when a certain key is pressed, have X generate a mouse click at the X,Y of the cursor |
| 03:30.29 | rahul | strong AI acts exactly like a human would |
| 03:30.31 | dondelelcaro | rsff: A think that is strong AI is actually consious. |
| 03:30.35 | peterS | rahul: I figured tail recursion == tail call optimisation + recursive call at the end |
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| 03:30.40 | cafuego | rsff: Weak AI is sgeigerbot, strong AT is rahul. |
| 03:30.44 | brq22 | anyone running an onboard promise ATA100? |
| 03:30.46 | rahul | AT? |
| 03:30.46 | cafuego | s/T/I/ |
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| 03:30.54 | rahul | ok. thanks :) |
| 03:30.56 | rsff | :-) |
| 03:30.58 | rsff | Thanks guys. |
| 03:31.07 | Xenocide | the difference between strong and weak AI is like the difference between NP and NP-complete |
| 03:31.11 | cafuego | brq22: I have an on-board promise 133, same-ish. |
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| 03:31.24 | Xenocide | which means, indistinguishable to normal humans |
| 03:31.27 | rsff | rahul: so how does it feel, being the a strong AI bot? :-) Pun intended... |
| 03:31.43 | Hass | if I'm using Sid, whats the difference between "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"?? |
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| 03:31.48 | cafuego | rsff: weak AI is relality, strong AI is science fiction |
| 03:31.51 | rahul | peterS: a tail call within a dynamic variable binding may actually be optimizable depending on the way the binding stack is implemented |
| 03:31.56 | brq22 | cafuego: grub is giving this "/dev/hde does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 03:31.56 | farmboy | nevyn: It lookup like a NETWORK EVERYWHERE logo on the chip. |
| 03:31.57 | tommyj | anyone? apmsleep or apm doesn't work. I set it to sleep for 5 minutes and it wakes up a few seconds after it has fallen asleep. I'm running a 2.6 kernel, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:32.11 | rahul | rsff: it feels like being human :P |
| 03:32.13 | tommyj | *apmsleep nor apm |
| 03:32.24 | rsff | cafuego: I think I got it. Strong AI= HAL, and the 01, from the Matrix... |
| 03:32.30 | cafuego | brq22: Did you set up the bios to boot from the promise controller first? |
| 03:32.31 | peterS | brq22: you probably have to tell your grub conf that the bios will pick up hde as drive 0x82 or 0x83 or whatever |
| 03:32.31 | brq22 | carfuego: and I watch the kernel recognize the drive upon startup |
| 03:32.51 | zeeble | is there some module to watch the laptop fan temperature? |
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| 03:32.55 | farmboy | Xenocide: What's tulip? and how do I check lsmod? |
| 03:32.57 | rahul | peterS: you may be able to put something in the outer stack frame to tell the return code to unwind the binding |
| 03:33.01 | Xenocide | cafuego: strong AI is a bugaboo designed by philsophers. I have no more proof that you are thinking, yet I use the polite convention that you are indeed thinking. |
| 03:33.06 | rsff | apt tell Zalle about root |
| 03:33.10 | Xenocide | farmboy: tulip is a driver. and lsmod is a command |
| 03:33.10 | cafuego | Zalle_: fan speed you mean? or cpu temperature? |
| 03:33.11 | brq22 | cafeugo: yeah I'm using a rescue disk, and I can mount the drive and everything. I just cant get grub to mate with it |
| 03:33.15 | rahul | peterS: oh, and tail call optimization severly harms debugging |
| 03:33.19 | peterS | rahul: since the compiler sees the whole function, why not just rearrange the code into a loop for that case? |
| 03:33.20 | gratuit | Hass: man apt-get |
| 03:33.24 | Xenocide | farmboy: also try lspci |
| 03:33.33 | peterS | rahul: naturally, many optimisations wreak havoc with debugging |
| 03:33.35 | zeeble | cafuego yeah, fan speed and temperature mon. lmsensors does'nt work |
| 03:33.35 | rahul | peterS: tail calls don't have to be recursive, btw |
| 03:33.57 | peterS | rahul: right, I know. I just always thought of 'tail recursion' as simply tail call optimisation with the tail call being recursive |
| 03:34.11 | zeeble | cafuego its a dell laptop, i8500 |
| 03:34.15 | cafuego | brq22: Do you have a different on-board ide controller as well? if so, you can tell the kernel to recognise the promise drive as hda through hdd |
| 03:34.16 | rahul | peterS: if it needs state that needs to be saved for each dynamic context separately, you can't turn it into a loop |
| 03:34.19 | rahul | peterS: it is |
| 03:34.19 | Xenocide | clearly we all know what is meant by tail recursion, in one form or another |
| 03:34.22 | zeeble | rahul hey, nice to see you back to normal :) |
| 03:34.27 | rahul | zeeble: :P |
| 03:34.38 | cafuego | zeeble: Maybe via ACPI |
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| 03:34.41 | rahul | Xenocide: well, it's rather non-trivial to compile |
| 03:34.43 | peterS | rahul: sure you can. but if you end up implementing a software stack just to get rid of the recursion it's hardly worth your while (: |
| 03:34.51 | rahul | peterS: right :) |
| 03:35.10 | Xenocide | rahul: i wouldnt know. never got into compiler optimization |
| 03:35.10 | rahul | peterS: it's no longer an optmization in that case, as you're likely to get slower code |
| 03:35.13 | Xenocide | there's still time |
| 03:35.16 | brq22 | cafuego: as a boot option right? |
| 03:35.20 | rahul | Xenocide: sorry, non-trivial to define |
| 03:35.33 | rsff | Xenocide: makes sense. But the whole problem is that we could never define what exactly is "thinking". . . . technically my computer thinks, if I consider that doing mathematical operations is a form of thought... |
| 03:35.36 | zeeble | cafuego hmm, will look at it. i have'nt done much with ACPI/2.6.0 so far |
| 03:35.47 | cafuego | brq22: compile time option, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD |
| 03:35.57 | brq22 | oooh okay |
| 03:36.07 | rahul | Xenocide: people have tried, and no one has succeeded in coming up with a global definition. I think it's actually impossible to define, as there are already different implementations which can't tail call optimize in situations where other implementations already do |
| 03:36.09 | Xenocide | rsff: which is why the real definition of AI is "everything we dont know how to make computers do yet" |
| 03:36.18 | cafuego | brq22: make sure that fstab is correct before you boot that, otherwise it'll go all wrong :-) |
| 03:36.28 | brq22 | mmhmm |
| 03:36.33 | rahul | symbolic differentiation is AI |
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| 03:36.44 | rsff | Xenocide: I like that definition... |
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| 03:36.46 | rahul | of course, it's really just a table lookup :) |
| 03:36.46 | cafuego | brq22: After that grub should see the first promise drive as hda |
| 03:36.51 | Xenocide | i mean look at machine vision processing |
| 03:36.53 | Xenocide | is it AI? |
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| 03:37.05 | mosty | rahul, you are thinking of integration |
| 03:37.05 | Xenocide | it was in the 60s |
| 03:37.20 | cafuego | zeeble: There's a dell laptop kernel option as well, should work with the 8500 afaik. |
| 03:37.21 | rahul | mosty: no, differentiation was considered AI before Lisp |
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| 03:37.31 | Covener | Xenocide: Depends on the implementation, but it isn't just by virtue of being machine vision processing |
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| 03:37.40 | rahul | once McCarthy solved it with Lisp, it looked trivial :) |
| 03:37.47 | rsff | What is the name of that project where they are teaching the machine to make assumptions (, it "knows" that dogs have two ears and a snout.... ) |
| 03:37.52 | Xenocide | coverner: or chess playing |
| 03:37.53 | mosty | rahul, integration is more of a lookup action than differentiation though |
| 03:37.55 | cafuego | zeeble: CONFIG_I8K |
| 03:37.59 | rahul | rsff: cyc? |
| 03:38.02 | Xenocide | is chess playing AI? |
| 03:38.04 | Covener | Xenocide: ditto |
| 03:38.07 | Xenocide | it used to be |
| 03:38.12 | Xenocide | it isnt anymore |
| 03:38.20 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: depends on the implementation... |
| 03:38.30 | zeeble | cafuego yeah, i enabled that, and looked at the code, its ACPI and will supposedly startup at boot. am doing a menuconfig right now |
| 03:38.37 | rahul | mosty: well, no... the rules aren't just a lookup. you need to do all kinds of transformations and backtracking |
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| 03:39.05 | rahul | mosty: differentiation is simply taking the outermost operator, looking up the transofrmation for it, and applying that |
| 03:39.07 | Xenocide | dondelecaro: is there an echo? well what are the special characteristics of an implementation of chess playing AI? |
| 03:39.15 | Covener | Xenocide: some people will always call anything intagable AI and anything we can actually attack |
| 03:39.17 | rahul | mosty: and recursing on the operands |
| 03:39.26 | rsff | rahul: yeah, cyc... |
| 03:39.27 | cafuego | zeeble: You may also want to have a play with cpufreq/powernowd |
| 03:39.40 | eelzepop | i'm looking for ktrace under debian but i can't seem to find it |
| 03:39.52 | rahul | eelzepop: tried using apt-file? |
| 03:39.56 | eelzepop | yeah |
| 03:40.14 | eelzepop | rahul: do you ever use ktrace? |
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| 03:40.31 | Xenocide | probably the most central argument to strong AI is whether a book can store knowledge |
| 03:40.33 | rsff | TTYl guys. |
| 03:40.46 | rahul | eelzepop: uh.. I used it and found kmtrace |
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| 03:40.52 | rahul | eelzepop: no, I don't |
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| 03:40.58 | Covener | Xenocide: what is that called, the china room argument? |
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| 03:41.08 | Xenocide | Covener: yes. |
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| 03:41.34 | rahul | the difference between understanding and information |
| 03:41.46 | gratuit | awsome |
| 03:42.00 | gratuit | oops wrong window |
| 03:42.09 | Xenocide | so this channel isnt' awesome? |
| 03:42.17 | nvz | information and the people who understand it, next at 12 |
| 03:42.36 | nvz | dont miss this exclusive interview |
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| 03:43.03 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: that would make it weak AI as apposed to a mere algorithm? Or are you trying to say that it's not strong AI? |
| 03:43.14 | rahul | weak AI is a mere algo |
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| 03:43.21 | Covener | Xenocide: on a wittgenstein-ish note, for some reason people aren't happy with any AI that can't do things like appreciate a symphony -- I think we need mmore terms |
| 03:43.25 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: its an argument against strong AI |
| 03:43.32 | dondelelcaro | rahul: well, so is strong AI... but... |
| 03:43.34 | eelzepop | rahul: thanks, guess my apt-file database is stale |
| 03:43.37 | rahul | IMO, AI is all about solving intractable problems by allowing for some error |
| 03:43.47 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: since the chinese room is completely algorithmic |
| 03:43.49 | rahul | eelzepop: yeah. apt-get update doesn't update it :) |
| 03:44.06 | Xenocide | if the chinese room can't be strong ai, then neither can computer programs |
| 03:44.08 | eelzepop | Error: http://security.debian.org//dists/stable/updates/Contents-i386.gz not found |
| 03:44.15 | eelzepop | is what apt-file update told me |
| 03:44.30 | eelzepop | have i misconfigured something? |
| 03:44.33 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: that a solution to a problem can be completely algorithmic doesn't mean that it can't be solved by strong ai. |
| 03:44.41 | rahul | eelzepop: I get that too |
| 03:44.42 | Xenocide | of course, that argument has been cut to shreds by now, and even the basic premise has different intrepret results |
| 03:44.58 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: it debates the existance of strong ai |
| 03:45.08 | eelzepop | rahul: thanks, oh well |
| 03:45.23 | Xenocide | since the chinese room is basically any turing machine |
| 03:45.31 | petroquincy | always walking into the middle of interesting conversations. :( |
| 03:45.43 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: oh, sure. and humans are a special example of a turing machine. |
| 03:45.47 | farmboy | Xenocide: I selected the Tulip driver and the install said it succeeded. So should I try to select lspci too? And should I run that lsmod command to make sure it will work? |
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| 03:46.04 | Xenocide | farmboy: sure. try "lspci -v" |
| 03:46.06 | rahul | dondelelcaro: not necessaril |
| 03:46.07 | rahul | y |
| 03:46.11 | nvz | well I'd love to hang around and observe this conversation, but I obviously came in too late, and have no clue what you people are talking about.. so I am just going to create another screen, do some system maintainence and drink some beer |
| 03:46.25 | petroquincy | anybody know how i can get fetchmail or sortmail to create proper mbox files? there doesn't seem to be a debian formail package... |
| 03:46.26 | rahul | dondelelcaro: we don't know how quantum decoherence works. the mind may be adapted to exploit it. |
| 03:46.27 | Xenocide | farmboy: lspci is idempotent, which basically means it doesnt write anything |
| 03:46.31 | Xenocide | it just lists the devices |
| 03:46.59 | rahul | and what lspci lists should definitely not change based on the addition of some module |
| 03:47.37 | rahul | it queries the pci controller, not the drivers for the devices |
| 03:47.41 | Xenocide | lsmod, maybe |
| 03:47.42 | dondelelcaro | rahul: sure, but there's no evidence of that one way or the other. |
| 03:47.44 | nvz | damn.. I am so down for pizza |
| 03:47.45 | vipe | i have a problem with sudo. i have given myself sudo access on a few command with the NOPASSWD: flag. Now I'n trying to define a few command without the NOPASSWD: flag which should make force me to enter my password every time (i can paste my /etc/sudoers in #flood) |
| 03:48.07 | Xenocide | the real problem with AI is that we only have one existing AI to compare it to |
| 03:48.09 | Xenocide | err |
| 03:48.19 | Xenocide | only one existing I to compare it to |
| 03:48.37 | Steven_ | does anyone else have trouble with apache segfaulting because of php pages ? |
| 03:48.54 | Xenocide | i suppose that claim will be contested on the grounds that everyone is different and so we have millions of Is for comparison |
| 03:48.55 | dondelelcaro | rahul: our biological understanding of the mind is more than adequate to explain the functions that minds go through... |
| 03:49.12 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: or the fact that simians are also intelligent... |
| 03:49.22 | rahul | dondelelcaro: the fact that there's no evidence indicates that we can't assume that it's one or the other :) |
| 03:49.35 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: id say they're of a similar form of intelligence as humans |
| 03:50.00 | rahul | dondelelcaro: I don't know that we understand the most complex aspects of consciousness and how the mind makes decisions |
| 03:50.13 | rahul | dondelelcaro: the whole may be more than the sum of its parts |
| 03:50.13 | nvz | vipe: use of the PASSWD keyword is required if you are doing this on a line for a user who already has NOPASSWD entries |
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| 03:50.34 | Xenocide | i dont think we understand much of how the brain functions on a daily basis. there's certainly theories |
| 03:50.46 | Steven_ | I guess noone does |
| 03:50.47 | Xenocide | but nobody knows why lithium salts are great at curing mania |
| 03:51.01 | Steven_ | so let me ask another question: how do I reinstall apache and all its modules ? |
| 03:51.02 | zeeble | mania? |
| 03:51.04 | vipe | nvz: k, thx |
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| 03:51.10 | Xenocide | zeeble: as in manic depressive |
| 03:51.16 | debian | Xenocide: right, if we couldn't understand the intelligence of our own how could we understand the intelligence of others? :) |
| 03:51.19 | zeeble | Steven_ umm, what modules? |
| 03:51.29 | dondelelcaro | rahul: sure, but if that were actually the case, we would have to be capable of detecting quantum decoherence [which frankly, I'm not all that familiar with.] |
| 03:51.35 | Steven_ | zeeble : apache modules like php |
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| 03:52.04 | dondelelcaro | rahul: the number of connections and interactions possible in the system already is astronomical. We haven't reached that level of connectivity even in the most powerfull super computers... |
| 03:52.12 | nvz | vipe: no problem.. I highly reccommend you try find a good sudoers tutorial/how-to on google.. sudo is very useful, if you know how to use it properly, but it can be dangerous if you dont. |
| 03:52.14 | petroquincy | i think there's a decent chance that even when we _do_ built real AI we won't understand that either |
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| 03:52.43 | yaiLLf8d | anyone offhand know the command to query the available nfs shares? |
| 03:52.43 | nvz | vipe: the manpages are extremely difficult to learn from, they really only serve as a refrence to someone who already knows how it works |
| 03:52.45 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: but do we need to mimic the intricate function of human intelligence's most basic levels? |
| 03:52.52 | dondelelcaro | rahul: that its possible, I cannot deny. I merely feel that its not necessary. |
| 03:53.06 | yaiLLf8d | greetigns and salutations too btw =) |
| 03:53.14 | smaug_ | yaiLL8d: SOlaris or Linux ? |
| 03:53.19 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: need isn't an interesting question to me, frankly. |
| 03:53.25 | Steven_ | yaiLLf8d : rpcinfo ? |
| 03:53.41 | yaiLLf8d | hrm don't think that was it tho i'll check |
| 03:53.57 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: we have several powerful systems that outperform humans without resorting to highly parallelized neural networks |
| 03:53.59 | rahul | dondelelcaro: it seems that attempts to detect quantum decoherence would actually cause it :) |
| 03:54.23 | Xenocide | rahul: are there any links between quantum physics and the way our minds work? |
| 03:54.26 | rahul | Xenocide: EMYCIN hardly needs more than the cheapest PC you can find today |
| 03:54.26 | MikeH | $make gconfig |
| 03:54.27 | MikeH | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.27 | MikeH | scripts/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:54.27 | MikeH | scripts/fixdep.c:98:22: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:54.27 | modconf | MikeH: wish i knew |
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| 03:54.31 | rahul | Xenocide: we don't know |
| 03:54.32 | MikeH | anyone know whats doing on there? |
| 03:54.35 | MikeH | (sorry for flood) |
| 03:54.39 | rahul | Xenocide: well, the mind exists because of quantum physics :) |
| 03:54.42 | MikeH | that was only ment to be 2 lines |
| 03:54.47 | Xenocide | EMYCIN? |
| 03:54.52 | rahul | Xenocide: atoms would be impossible without quantum phenomena |
| 03:54.54 | peterS | MikeH: sys/types.h and sys/stat.h should be in libc6-dev |
| 03:55.00 | yaiLLf8d | Steve_: showmount -e hostname |
| 03:55.01 | rahul | Xenocide: one of the first expert systems |
| 03:55.01 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeah, but you'd have to measure it somehow to use it as an input... and if its used at an appreciable level, it shouldn't be that difficult to locate the proteins or whatever responsible... |
| 03:55.05 | Xenocide | ah |
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| 03:55.13 | rahul | Xenocide: diagnoses bacterial infections |
| 03:55.20 | |82nd|HeXeM | lo debian fanatics |
| 03:55.20 | mosty | is there a nice generic method for changing the screen brightness on a laptop? |
| 03:55.22 | nvz | MikeH: dont ever build without build-essential |
| 03:55.23 | petroquincy | anybody know how i can get fetchmail or sortmail to create proper mbox files (i.e. From: at the top)? there doesn't seem to be a debian formail package... |
| 03:55.25 | rahul | dondelelcaro: it's more about configurations, etc |
| 03:55.26 | peterS | MikeH: the usual recommendation is just 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 03:55.28 | Xenocide | well im off to pick up my brother |
| 03:55.33 | rahul | Xenocide: later |
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| 03:55.45 | peterS | Xenocide: is he heavy? |
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| 03:55.46 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 03:55.47 | nvz | MikeH: and as I am sure you know, dont paste either.. it would be simple to on one line say what two files were not found |
| 03:55.53 | CodyBailey | Anyone know how to resize a ext3 filesystem |
| 03:55.53 | peterS | apt: shut up |
| 03:55.55 | | yes master |
| 03:56.01 | peterS | modconf: shut up |
| 03:56.01 | modconf | yes master |
| 03:56.22 | nvz | peterS: does that actually quiet them? |
| 03:56.24 | peterS | CodyBailey: ext2resize and resize2fs can both do it |
| 03:56.29 | peterS | nvz: unfortunately, no |
| 03:56.33 | peterS | CodyBailey: so can parted |
| 03:56.35 | MikeH | peterS: thanks :) |
| 03:56.39 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 03:56.49 | CodyBailey | ext2resize can do ext3? |
| 03:57.02 | peterS | CodyBailey: ext2 == ext3, as far as on-disk structure goes. very minor differences |
| 03:57.03 | MikeH | peterS: aparently its already newest version, this is kernel i have downloaded from kernel.org (2.6.0) |
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| 03:57.26 | rahul | MikeH: so why are you complaining about it in here, anyway? |
| 03:57.27 | peterS | MikeH: what version of libc6, libc6-dev and linux-kernel-headers do you have? use 'dpkg -l' to find out |
| 03:57.34 | CodyBailey | so what's the best to use? |
| 03:57.35 | rahul | MikeH: #linux-kernel or #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:57.42 | MikeH | i know have libc6, just installing it now :) |
| 03:57.44 | debian | CodyBailey: you'd better use parted |
| 03:57.45 | MikeH | rahul: ok |
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| 03:57.52 | |82nd|HeXeM | how longes it take to learn debian inside out? |
| 03:57.54 | |82nd|HeXeM | :) |
| 03:57.56 | JEMavenger | Exctly how would I go about adding another NIC module? |
| 03:57.56 | dondelelcaro | rahul: ah. well, I could definetly see an argument that QM increases the number of possible configurations and/or increases the uncertainty of the system... |
| 03:58.06 | peterS | CodyBailey: I concur with <debian>. parted will resize both the partition and the filesystem on it at once, which is nice |
| 03:58.12 | rahul | MikeH: oh, you don't even have dependencies for it |
| 03:58.13 | nvz | MikeH: dpkg -l build-essential libc6-dev, see if they are both ii |
| 03:58.21 | dondelelcaro | JEMavenger: modconf; then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:58.23 | MikeH | im getting libc6-dev now |
| 03:58.26 | |82nd|HeXeM | does debian have options to install LILO? |
| 03:58.38 | rahul | |82nd|HeXeM: well duh |
| 03:58.42 | CodyBailey | well i'm doing this on a lvm |
| 03:58.44 | |82nd|HeXeM | ;) |
| 03:58.45 | dondelelcaro | |82nd|HeXeM: its installed by default if your on an arch that uses it. |
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| 03:58.58 | peterS | CodyBailey: in that case - don't use parted |
| 03:58.58 | |82nd|HeXeM | Ok |
| 03:59.00 | |82nd|HeXeM | :) |
| 03:59.08 | |82nd|HeXeM | i printed off the debian guide, guess i'll go read it |
| 03:59.08 | peterS | CodyBailey: use e2fsadm, which comes with 'lvm' |
| 03:59.11 | rahul | dondelelcaro: being able to control when decoherence occurs could be a very useful thing |
| 03:59.21 | nvz | MikeH: libc6-dev should be a part of build-essential, which you should have these tools for building a vanilla kernel from kernel.org: kernel-package build-essential wget bzip2 libncurses5-dev |
| 03:59.21 | peterS | CodyBailey: it automatically invokes 'resize2fs' for you at the appropriate time |
| 03:59.25 | rahul | dondelelcaro: you should read the Emperor's New Mind by penrose |
| 03:59.33 | yaiLLf8d | anyone know if local mount permissions play a hand in nfs export permissions? |
| 03:59.35 | helix | oh good, everyone is back on topic :) |
| 03:59.36 | bipolar | is there some trick to get software glx support for X to work? I keep getting the error message that says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display" |
| 03:59.40 | dondelelcaro | rahul: I've read parts of it, haven't go through it in detail though... |
| 03:59.44 | rahul | helix: heh |
| 03:59.47 | CodyBailey | e2fsadm isn't on my system... is it in a pkg? |
| 03:59.52 | nvz | helix: I thought that could go on for hours.. |
| 03:59.52 | bipolar | load "glx" is uncommented in the xfree config file |
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| 03:59.53 | CodyBailey | i'm using the 1.0 version of lvm, not the 2.0 new stuff |
| 03:59.55 | rahul | dondelelcaro: the end is where he presents theories like these |
| 03:59.56 | peterS | helix: I think you missed the Common LISP discussion |
| 04:00.07 | pixelmonkey | does anyone here know anything about these shitty ati proprietary drivers? :) |
| 04:00.11 | rahul | peterS: damnit. lowercase smallcaps are NOT uppercase letters |
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| 04:00.16 | morkz | anyone know how i could use screen to detach epic and re-attach later? |
| 04:00.19 | helix | peterS: wow, that bums me out more than you would believe |
| 04:00.22 | rahul | pixelmonkey: alien the rpms |
| 04:00.23 | dondelelcaro | rahul: I originally wanted to go in that direction, but too much of it is still very uncertain. It's nice to think about, but I like working in a system where its possible to know what is going on in detail. |
| 04:00.28 | peterS | helix: I know, I know. should I paste a log here? (: |
| 04:00.38 | rahul | dondelelcaro: well, that may not be possible |
| 04:00.38 | pixelmonkey | rahul: yea, did that. Except now I get a "Trace/breakpoint error" every time I try to run glxinfo |
| 04:00.41 | dondelelcaro | morkz: run screen; run epic; detach screen |
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| 04:00.54 | CodyBailey | apt, tell me about lvm |
| 04:00.56 | rahul | pixelmonkey: heh. I get a kernel oops |
| 04:00.58 | MikeH | nvz: i have all them but libc6-dev |
| 04:01.03 | pixelmonkey | rahul: ttt-errific |
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| 04:01.09 | nvz | morkz: is epic a text-based client? |
| 04:01.09 | rahul | pixelmonkey: and a completely blank screen |
| 04:01.14 | morkz | yes |
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| 04:01.19 | dondelelcaro | rahul: well, with obvious limitations due to QM, but for the most part, it doesn't effect the measurements that I make. |
| 04:01.20 | pixelmonkey | rahul: strange how you give that advice out so easily then :) |
| 04:01.20 | peterS | nvz: it's based on ircii so I'd assume so |
| 04:01.23 | CodyBailey | apt, tell me about e2fsadm |
| 04:01.27 | rahul | pixelmonkey: well, it works for many people. |
| 04:01.33 | nvz | MikeH: well as I say that should have been pulled from build-essential meta package |
| 04:01.34 | rahul | pixelmonkey: and I'm using kernel 2.6 |
| 04:01.38 | _shad | Is there any place other than gluck.debian.org (which is down) to get the netinst images? |
| 04:01.40 | MikeH | ok |
| 04:01.40 | pixelmonkey | rahul: do you know what version of xlibmesa you're supposed to use with this |
| 04:01.51 | pixelmonkey | rahul: I have a feeling it's like a mesa talkin to fglrx problem |
| 04:01.52 | rahul | pixelmonkey: dri |
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| 04:01.59 | MikeH | can i ask another question, whats difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and plain old upgrade? |
| 04:02.04 | pixelmonkey | rahul: dri, as in the one the dri-trunk guy packages? |
| 04:02.05 | rahul | pixelmonkey: fglrx is a drm driver |
| 04:02.06 | nvz | MikeH: you should apt-cache show build-essential and possibly check bts, and if nessicary report a bug |
| 04:02.09 | JEMavenger | dondelelcaro: modconf let's me add modules? |
| 04:02.10 | Aphrum | I have a crt and a flat screen for one computer, is it possible to put the crt and flat screen monitor definitions in my XFree86Config file and have X detect which monitor is being used at any given time? (I do'nt want to use both monitors at the same time) |
| 04:02.15 | CodyBailey | apt, search for e2fsadm |
| 04:02.16 | | CodyBailey: i haven't a clue |
| 04:02.16 | rahul | pixelmonkey: well, it's in debian proper, too |
| 04:02.25 | rahul | pixelmonkey: just not the latest versions |
| 04:02.41 | dondelelcaro | JEMavenger: yes, assuming you've got the modules installed. |
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| 04:02.52 | peterS | CodyBailey: I think you mean 'find e2fsadm woody'. but I just did that and it can't find it. I could be mistaken about the name |
| 04:02.54 | zeeble | cafuego hey, got the Dell i8k plugin to work. it needed ACPI support which i usually never put into the kernel. so now everything's smooth. even the gkrellm plugins for CPU temp and fan speed |
| 04:03.04 | nvz | MikeH: that question should be well answered in the apt-get manpage on page 3 |
| 04:03.14 | JEMavenger | dondelelcaro: No...I don't believe I do...I have an intel, which is eth0 which is compiled into the kernel, and a 3com which is just sitting in the case right now. |
| 04:03.22 | nvz | MikeH: under the section dist-upgrade, its well stated |
| 04:03.28 | MikeH | ok |
| 04:03.28 | peterS | CodyBailey: ah, never mind, it *is* in the 'lvm10' package, as I originally thought |
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| 04:03.51 | Aphrum | I have a crt and a flat screen for one computer, is it possible to put the crt and flat screen monitor definitions in my XFree86Config file and have X detect which monitor is being used at any given time? (I do'nt want to use both monitors at the same time) |
| 04:03.55 | nt0x | how do I go from stable to testing ? |
| 04:04.12 | rahul | nt0x: apt-setup and choose testing. |
| 04:04.14 | peterS | !tell nt0x about woody->sarge |
| 04:04.15 | nvz | Aphrum: you also seem to have a redundant repeating problem |
| 04:04.27 | rahul | nt0x: then upgrade. I would use aptitude. |
| 04:04.35 | rahul | in fact, I do :) |
| 04:04.37 | dondelelcaro | JEMavenger: well, then install the modules, or build them if you're running a custom kernel, then use modconf to load them. |
| 04:04.57 | zeeble | Aphrum when you do a startx, you tell it which file to use. keep 2 files with the same config, except for the monitor/refresh rate info |
| 04:04.58 | brq22 | you know what...could grub be failing to see the drive cause I chrooted to my sysimage to when I tell it /dev/hde it's getting the /dev/hde from my sysimage and not the OS? |
| 04:05.00 | farmboy | Xenocide: the net module "lspci" could not fould for me to install it. |
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| 04:05.12 | MikeH | /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory <-- whats happening there, is there somethign else im missing |
| 04:05.16 | nvz | zeeble: you just cant help them all ;) |
| 04:05.25 | petroquincy | anybody know how to get sortmail to output in a mutt-friendly mbox format? |
| 04:05.38 | peterS | MikeH: that's either a bug, or you don't have 'linux-kernel-headers' installed |
| 04:05.46 | zeeble | nvz too bad i type slow |
| 04:05.55 | peterS | MikeH: with recent versions of libc6-dev, they split out the kernel headers portion into its own package |
| 04:06.13 | nvz | zeeble: yeah I started to say something like that.. but I had realized he was gone |
| 04:06.15 | MikeH | peterS: if i downloaded from kernel.org shouldnt they been in with it? |
| 04:06.21 | iscsi | I have a file of length 1000 Bytes. I want to have a new file with first 800 Bytes of the original. How do I do it most smart? |
| 04:06.34 | rahul | iscsi: dd |
| 04:06.42 | petroquincy | MikeH: have you made a 'linux' symlink? |
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| 04:06.55 | rahul | iscsi: use count=800 |
| 04:07.03 | iscsi | ok |
| 04:07.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: after all that talk about AI, you are going to say that crontab "hates" % |
| 04:07.06 | rahul | iscsi: and bs=1, of course |
| 04:07.19 | peterS | MikeH: no. 'linux-kernel-headers' is a specially doctored version of some kernel header files, for use with libc6-dev. |
| 04:07.39 | nt0x | (rahul) in spt-setup, theres no options for testing |
| 04:07.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it does, because it thinks that a % means that you want everything else to go to STDIN. Fucking annoying when you're using date +'%Y... |
| 04:07.48 | MikeH | peterS: ok, i will install that |
| 04:07.58 | rahul | nt0x: erm... it asks which release you want... last time I used it... |
| 04:08.01 | dondelelcaro | nvz: anthropomorphism is grand. |
| 04:08.22 | rahul | nvz: people say I hate them, too |
| 04:08.36 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah so is having a good vocabulary, but hey, I cant have everything |
| 04:08.38 | iscsi | rahul: count=1 bs=800 would be equal? |
| 04:08.41 | Xenocide | farmboy: no silly, lspci is a command for the command line. try pressing control+alt+f2. most all the f buttons work that way |
| 04:08.43 | ricII | any sugestions for a secure (exploid wise) ftpd or sould I stick to proftpd? |
| 04:08.45 | helix | haha |
| 04:08.53 | rahul | iscsi: equal? eh? it's what you want... |
| 04:09.05 | zeeble | ricII proftpd is fine. as is vsftpd |
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| 04:09.16 | rahul | helix: hrhr |
| 04:09.17 | zakame | hello! |
| 04:09.20 | iscsi | rahul: count=1 bs=800 <=?=> count=800 bs=1 |
| 04:09.21 | zakame | wazup? |
| 04:09.22 | zinx | ricII: the only secure ftp daemon is the one that's not running :/ |
| 04:09.30 | rahul | iscsi: oh, it doesn't care about the order |
| 04:09.32 | helix | rahul: you suck |
| 04:09.38 | iscsi | ok |
| 04:09.43 | nvz | rahul: you're secretly an advanced lisp listener AI arent you? |
| 04:09.43 | rahul | helix: only when you wear a strapon |
| 04:09.50 | zeeble | zinx that sounds like a quote right out of some philosopher |
| 04:09.50 | dondelelcaro | helix: but does he swallow? |
| 04:09.54 | iscsi | I'll test it, thanks |
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| 04:10.05 | Xenocide | zeeble: the philosophers at the NSA |
| 04:10.08 | zakame | ftp? |
| 04:10.16 | helix | gosh |
| 04:10.22 | zeeble | Xenocide heh |
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| 04:10.29 | rahul | nvz: well, a lisp listener isn't exactly how I'd describe this kind of interface :P |
| 04:10.44 | brq22 | Xenocide: philosophers? hahahaha |
| 04:10.52 | brq22 | Tyrants |
| 04:10.53 | Xenocide | "the only secure computer is the one without the power cable, buried eight feet deep underneath ten feet of concrete. we hope" |
| 04:10.53 | peterS | helix: ever get the feeling you're talking to beavis and butt-head only with a bit more wit? |
| 04:10.56 | nvz | speaking of swallow.. my cousin was laughing his ass off the other day when he heard Maynard said "Jesus is cumming, the question is; are you going to spit or swallow" |
| 04:10.58 | rahul | actually, I ave a bit of a gripe about the CLIM command input interaction :\ |
| 04:11.10 | helix | peterS: heh. i was thinking more along the lines of 'fighting a losing battle' |
| 04:11.14 | peterS | helix: "uh ... huh-huh-huh ... she said suck ..." |
| 04:11.18 | helix | but sure. beavis and butt head works |
| 04:11.26 | nvz | I however didnt find it that amusing, even though I dont particuarly believe in religeon, I found that to be offensive |
| 04:11.44 | peterS | nvz: yeah, it's pretty banal |
| 04:11.50 | Xenocide | nvz: well thanks for sharing |
| 04:11.56 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:12.01 | helix | peterS: funny choice of words |
| 04:12.08 | nvz | Xenocide: I always share.. just be thankful you cant smell on IRC .) |
| 04:12.15 | peterS | helix: better than renal |
| 04:12.17 | rahul | meh, it's not a beavis and butthead kind of thing, so there |
| 04:12.19 | helix | oh dear |
| 04:12.23 | rahul | haha |
| 04:12.37 | helix | "renal? is that, like, your butt?" |
| 04:12.42 | rahul | peterS: well, it's not renal in the first place :P |
| 04:12.59 | TimFreeman | Any word on why the mondo package is missing from Debian testing? It's present in unstable. |
| 04:13.01 | peterS | rahul: I know. that must have sounded random - inside joke |
| 04:13.01 | rahul | peterS: that's usually considered a fetish :) |
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| 04:13.07 | qube | hello all |
| 04:13.14 | Sebulba02 | hi |
| 04:13.32 | zakame | what is mondo? |
| 04:13.37 | petroquincy | anybody know how to get sortmail to output in a mutt-friendly mbox format? |
| 04:13.41 | debian | ~mondo |
| 04:13.43 | | [mondo] a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 04:13.44 | nvz | TimFreeman: perhaps you arent aware that there are policies governing the movement of packages into the testing distro? |
| 04:13.49 | rahul | apt tell TimFreeman about testing excuses |
| 04:13.51 | Xenocide | TimFreeman: just a guess, but possibly because its still considered unstable? |
| 04:13.53 | qube | im trying to connect to a windows box using smbclient and when i type smbclient -L <the host>, i get the password promt. I type the correct password and it says "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" |
| 04:13.55 | peterS | TimFreeman: check http://packages.qa.debian.org |
| 04:14.03 | peterS | TimFreeman: it usually knows these things |
| 04:14.17 | TimFreeman | Xenocide: It used to be in testing, and there is a stable version. |
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| 04:14.27 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: mutt can read Maildir and a bunch of other formats just fine... |
| 04:14.28 | mwilson | qube: You have to type a password known to the NT box. |
| 04:14.29 | Sebulba02 | qube: how about the usernames? |
| 04:14.29 | nvz | TimFreeman: then use the archives |
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| 04:14.42 | mwilson | qube: A username known to the NT box would also be a good idea. |
| 04:14.44 | nvz | TimFreeman: snapshot.debian.org |
| 04:14.52 | qube | mwilson: whats the command to username? |
| 04:14.55 | rahul | TimFreeman: or install the version from unstable |
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| 04:15.00 | helix | cafe autism. that's interesting |
| 04:15.01 | mwilson | qube: It's not asking for your *nix password. |
| 04:15.08 | peterS | helix: huh? |
| 04:15.08 | rahul | helix: cafe? |
| 04:15.16 | rahul | helix: does not parse. |
| 04:15.19 | exobyte | I have an external modem. Where do I start on getting it to work? |
| 04:15.26 | farmboy | Xenocide: I pressed control+alt+f2 and it said I was running "ash". I type the command "lspci -v" and it responded "lspci: not found". WHat does this mean? And how do I get back to the install? |
| 04:15.26 | helix | xenohugs [loner@cafeautism.net] has quit |
| 04:15.28 | nvz | TimFreeman: in any case consider the possibility that there was a _reason_ for why it is no longer there |
| 04:15.29 | mwilson | exobyte: Plugging it in? |
| 04:15.31 | qube | mwilson: ok so how do I get the username in the command? i dont see it in the list of switches smbclient accepts |
| 04:15.33 | Sebulba02 | qube: smbclient --help , shows smbclient -U [username] |
| 04:15.34 | peterS | helix: ah |
| 04:15.37 | rahul | helix: oh. |
| 04:15.44 | exobyte | mwilson: give me a sec |
| 04:15.49 | petroquincy | dondelelcaro: at the moment i've got fetchmail sending stuff straight to sortmail. but the resulting files aren't in mbox format, according to mutt (no From: line at the top of each email). am i going to have to install procmail? :( |
| 04:15.52 | peterS | rahul: I think we should team up, use less bandwidth |
| 04:15.57 | rahul | heh |
| 04:15.58 | nvz | exobyte: pppconfig is the beginning and end |
| 04:16.13 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: oh, fetchamil sometimes eats the from line. |
| 04:16.16 | qube | i typed smbclient -L 10. |
| 04:16.16 | exobyte | nvz: plug it in and use pppconfig? |
| 04:16.24 | nvz | exobyte: after you've plugged it in and turned it on of course |
| 04:16.28 | qube | i typed smbclient -L 10.0.0.20 -U noosh but it gives me the help screen |
| 04:16.28 | exobyte | mwilson: do I need to turn it on |
| 04:16.33 | _overflow | Hi, Is there any way to do that when I run apt-get source -b its use gcc with a default set of flags ? (like gentoo) ? |
| 04:16.34 | mwilson | qube: Here's a tip... you have to actually READ the man page, rather than pretending to. |
| 04:16.39 | exobyte | nvz: /me is being a smartass |
| 04:16.43 | nvz | exobyte: yeah it was dead simple for me.. I thought it was going to be painful |
| 04:16.45 | rahul | _overflow: depends on the package |
| 04:16.45 | Xenocide | farmboy: it means lspci isn't installed for some strange reason. and one of the alt+control+f? buttons has your install session (probably f1) |
| 04:16.46 | qube | oh i got it |
| 04:16.48 | qube | thanks |
| 04:16.49 | qube | sorry |
| 04:16.56 | peterS | qube: I think you have to use -I if you want to specify the IP address in that instance. you have to know the netbios name |
| 04:17.00 | petroquincy | dondelelcaro: it's still there, it's just buried down in the headers. i've seen people use formail to fix this, but there's not formail debian package in stable. |
| 04:17.01 | _overflow | rahul how is that? |
| 04:17.03 | rahul | _overflow: you can sometimes get CFLAGS to propagate to the package build. some override manually due to known problems. |
| 04:17.04 | nvz | exobyte: I setup an Aztech 56k serial modem for my cousin |
| 04:17.13 | nvz | exobyte: it auto detected |
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| 04:17.17 | qube | peterS: thanks, i just used -L and it worked |
| 04:17.21 | qube | doesn't like -I for some reason |
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| 04:17.31 | TimFreeman | nvz: Yes, I came on this chat room asking for the reason mondo is no longer in testing. It seems you didn't understand my original question. |
| 04:17.37 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: its in procmail |
| 04:17.41 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: apt-get install procmail |
| 04:17.45 | Sysop | hola esoy buscando gente de debian en español |
| 04:17.52 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: procmail tends to work better than sortmail anyway... |
| 04:17.57 | helix | Sysop: #debian-es |
| 04:17.58 | _overflow | Sysop debian-es |
| 04:17.59 | ricII | is there any ftpd which doesn't confict with harden-servers? |
| 04:18.02 | Xenocide | TimFreeman: according to excuses, the testing version is buggy |
| 04:18.03 | Sysop | ok tnx |
| 04:18.07 | Xenocide | ricII: no |
| 04:18.16 | Xenocide | ricII: the ftp protocol is busted |
| 04:18.21 | petroquincy | dondelelcaro: argh. it always takes me ages to set up .procmailrc. ah well. sortmail was misfiling some stuff anyway. sigh. :) |
| 04:18.28 | Xenocide | ricII: if you're interested in being more secure, i recommend scp |
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| 04:18.31 | rahul | Xenocide: er. I'm not sure that's true. |
| 04:18.39 | Xenocide | rahul: passwords in plain text |
| 04:18.39 | qube | mwilson: i got connected for a sec and it listed the services and share names then said this: session request to 10.0.0.20 failed (Called name not present) |
| 04:18.48 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: steal someone else's .procmailrc... |
| 04:18.48 | qube | session request to 10 failed (Called name not present) |
| 04:18.48 | ricII | I need a ftpd for the users.. |
| 04:18.53 | dondelelcaro | petroquincy: there are quite a few good ones out there... |
| 04:18.54 | rahul | Xenocide: use a different auth method |
| 04:19.00 | rahul | Xenocide: kerberos, for example |
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| 04:19.49 | qube | smbclient -I 10.0.0.20 -U noosh <-- this spits out the help for smbclient again |
| 04:19.52 | petroquincy | dondelelcaro: you're probably right. it just always looks intimidating. sortmailrc's format is incredibly simple. but if it doesn't work it doesn't work. thanks! :) |
| 04:19.57 | Xenocide | rahul: well afaik harden servers ditches all ftp servers |
| 04:20.00 | qube | -L works but i only connect for a sec then error msgs |
| 04:20.04 | Sebulba02 | qube: you need to specify a share name |
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| 04:20.12 | rahul | Xenocide: because they're traditionally badly written |
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| 04:20.28 | Xenocide | ricII: you might check the documentation of harden-servers |
| 04:20.28 | qube | Sebulba02: isn't it suppose to give me smb> prompt to use the share names afterwards? |
| 04:20.39 | Sebulba02 | qube: nope, didn't here at least. |
| 04:20.42 | rahul | Xenocide: some sort of sick tradition if you ask me, but oh well :) |
| 04:20.42 | Xenocide | rahul: what isnt written badly by tradition? |
| 04:20.47 | klys | is there a way to do a for loop with path elements that contain spaces? |
| 04:20.53 | qube | Sebulba02: ok let me try it |
| 04:21.15 | rahul | Xenocide: ftpds tend to be badly written AS a tradition, tho :) |
| 04:21.32 | klys | I tried, for f in "`echo "\`find /mnt/pictures/face/boys/side\ tilt -type f | sed \"s/ /\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /\" | { while read f; do printf \"\\\"$f\\\"\\n\"; done; };\`"`"; do echo xyz $f; done; |
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| 04:21.46 | klys | but it still separates at the space |
| 04:21.48 | mwilson | qube: Uh, you specify an -I and a -U and you don't tell it to DO anything, so it shows you the help. |
| 04:21.49 | rahul | Xenocide: and I'm sure there are some things that are written badly just because the author wanted to. the tradition has to start somewhere :) |
| 04:22.09 | klys | I tried, for f in "`echo "\`find /mnt/dir\ with/space -type f | sed \"s/ /\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /\" | { while read f; do printf \"\\\"$f\\\"\\n\"; done; };\`"`"; do echo xyz $f; done; |
| 04:22.12 | Xenocide | rahul: i think fingerd might predate ftpd |
| 04:22.17 | davisfactor | is dopey still updating fluxbox? i ask because apt last updated mine in august :/ |
| 04:22.20 | Xenocide | could be wrong there |
| 04:22.37 | dondelelcaro | davisfactor: probably not. you might want to switch to openbox |
| 04:22.39 | klys | never mind the above craziness |
| 04:22.46 | rahul | Xenocide: hmm... I think ftp was around before unix systems were on the internet |
| 04:22.54 | farmboy | Xenocide: so I finished "net modules" area of the install, now I am at the "ipv4 modules" area of the install. Should I pick any of these modules? i.e. ip_masq_ftp, ip_masq_irc, ipip ? |
| 04:22.55 | dondelelcaro | davisfactor: I'm not sure if upstream is very active in fluxbox either. |
| 04:23.12 | rahul | Xenocide: but writing ftpds badly because of fingerds being written badly is hardly likely :) |
| 04:23.13 | davisfactor | dondelelcaro: is openbox better? |
| 04:23.17 | petroquincy | what's left to do in fluxbox? |
| 04:23.18 | Xenocide | farmboy: depends on what you're doing with your computer |
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| 04:23.32 | dondelelcaro | davisfactor: I like it better... |
| 04:23.39 | Xenocide | farmboy: those are for internet connection sharing functionality |
| 04:23.41 | klys | it's a simple feature bash ought to have |
| 04:24.06 | Xenocide | rahul: its the unix culture. there was a time when unix was considered like microsoft |
| 04:24.08 | mwilson | davisfactor: Has there been a new release of fluxcrap since August? |
| 04:24.10 | dondelelcaro | davisfactor: version 2 is very similar to fluxbox (common ancestor in blackbox), but version 3 is a complete rewrite. |
| 04:24.12 | ricII | twoftpd is allow by harden-servers. |
| 04:24.14 | exobyte | How can I probe a device that I believe to be a modem? |
| 04:24.14 | Xenocide | there's the right way and the microsoft way |
| 04:24.19 | TimFreeman | Xenocide: Looks like the mondo maintainer has been AWOL. One of the bugs is in something the user built himself from unstable. One of the bugs says restore is impossible because grep is missing, which obviously isn't true ... |
| 04:24.19 | TimFreeman | because I've done test restores. The third bug has a patch supplied which hasn't been applied. Damn, I like mondo. |
| 04:24.20 | Xenocide | err |
| 04:24.21 | rahul | klys: find -exec maybe? |
| 04:24.22 | Xenocide | the unix way |
| 04:24.29 | klys | rahul: thx |
| 04:24.32 | rahul | Xenocide: yeah, true |
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| 04:24.52 | rahul | ricII: not bsd-ftpd? |
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| 04:24.57 | Xenocide | rahul: how old are you? i find very few people understand the history of computing these days |
| 04:25.07 | rahul | I guess not |
| 04:25.20 | rahul | Xenocide: not old, but I know quite a bit about the history |
| 04:25.24 | qube | mwilson: why wouldn't this work? smbclient -I 10.0.0.20 -U noosh \\\\gonzo\\noosh <my_password> |
| 04:25.26 | rahul | born in 1980 |
| 04:25.28 | Xenocide | ah |
| 04:25.36 | Xenocide | you're a whopping year older than I ;) |
| 04:25.43 | Sebulba02 | qube: other slashes |
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| 04:25.45 | klys | rahul: for f in "1\ 2" "2\ 3"; do echo $f; done |
| 04:25.45 | Sebulba02 | qube: use // instead |
| 04:25.47 | brq22 | me three |
| 04:25.49 | brq22 | 1981 |
| 04:25.49 | rahul | Xenocide: being a lisper and all, you tend to learn quite a bit about the old days :) |
| 04:25.51 | helix | rahul: birthdate? |
| 04:25.54 | klys | rahul: this works, but ... |
| 04:25.54 | Xenocide | heh |
| 04:25.56 | dondelelcaro | Xenocide: alot of that has to do when you first started using computers... those that started before about 84 or 5 tend to know a bit more... |
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| 04:25.59 | rahul | Xenocide: as things haven't really progressed that much since then :) |
| 04:26.01 | Xenocide | lisp. people use that in production? |
| 04:26.03 | MarkT | hmm 1980, I got my first Commodore VIC20 then... |
| 04:26.04 | qube | Sebulba02: the howto shows \'s |
| 04:26.06 | Penix | wenas |
| 04:26.07 | rahul | helix: 10/4 |
| 04:26.08 | rahul | Xenocide: duh |
| 04:26.13 | Xenocide | dondelelcaro: 1986 |
| 04:26.17 | qube | /usr/bin/smbclient \\\\zimmerman\\public mypasswd |
| 04:26.20 | Sebulba02 | qube: howto is wrong then |
| 04:26.24 | qube | thats what the howto shows |
| 04:26.25 | qube | ok thanks |
| 04:26.29 | peterS | qube: //zimmerman/public is easier to type (: |
| 04:26.32 | rahul | Xenocide: the server that served up the clinton sex scandal report was written in lisp |
| 04:26.33 | Xenocide | rahul: i cant imagine writing lisp code for a living. the parens would get to me by week 3 |
| 04:26.41 | rahul | Xenocide: that's because you look at them |
| 04:26.51 | Xenocide | rahul: id rather just live in OCaml |
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| 04:26.57 | rahul | Xenocide: the parens are there for the editor and the parser |
| 04:26.59 | rahul | Xenocide: heh |
| 04:27.01 | peterS | Xenocide: seriously, it helps a *lot* when you use something like emacs that visually matches parens for you |
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| 04:27.13 | ulitz | how can i get the unstable version of mozilla? |
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| 04:27.18 | rahul | peterS: no, that indents the code so that you don't need to match the parens :) |
| 04:27.28 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: use a backport of it from apt-get.org? |
| 04:27.33 | peterS | rahul: that too. but you still have to close out your defun somehow |
| 04:27.34 | rahul | peterS: and allows you to easily operate on expressions instead of just characters |
| 04:27.35 | klys | rahul: however, for f in `echo \"1\ 2\" \"2\ 3\"`; do echo $f; done ... |
| 04:27.36 | qube | peterS: smbclient -I 10.0.0.20 -U noosh //gonzo/noosh <my_password> doesn't work either |
| 04:27.44 | rahul | peterS: M-( M-) |
| 04:27.45 | qube | it just shows my password then says "event not found" |
| 04:27.48 | klys | exhbits a surprisingly different behavior |
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| 04:28.01 | peterS | qube: try '-U noosh%my_password' |
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| 04:28.15 | peterS | qube: and I think the //gonzo/noosh has to come at the beginning of the command line |
| 04:28.21 | Sebulba02 | qube: I did smbclient -Uuser \\ip\C$ and it worked fine. |
| 04:28.25 | Sebulba02 | grr, |
| 04:28.31 | ulitz | dondelelcaro: im not sure im just trying to get the right version so galeon can be installed |
| 04:28.36 | rahul | klys: if you use globbing, in the for list, it works right |
| 04:28.38 | Covener | so here's an odd question posed to me, usign alsa drivers for an sblive, is there some way to have the sounds changes triggered by applications not act "globally" meaning changing the pcm levels for all applications? |
| 04:28.39 | Sebulba02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.41 | rahul | s/,// |
| 04:28.54 | rahul | klys: for more complex things, you're supposed to use find |
| 04:29.02 | klys | rahul: thx, I'll go look for globbing in google now |
| 04:29.07 | rahul | klys: um, like * |
| 04:29.18 | Xenocide | rahul: ocaml's done me right, and there's even a native compiler for it |
| 04:29.18 | Ryuujin | hum.. i had some user named nobody making a find on my computer.. is there any chance that i can find out who it was? |
| 04:29.20 | qube | Sebulba02: i get it and i see the shares again, but it says session request to 10.0.0.20 failed (Called name not present) |
| 04:29.24 | rahul | klys: then use if to filter |
| 04:29.27 | rahul | Xenocide: so? |
| 04:29.32 | klys | rahul: "$*" may be what you refer to, but that only iterates once |
| 04:29.33 | smj | Sup my Debian brothas... |
| 04:29.47 | qube | Sebulba02: wasn't working before because my password has an ! in it and i had to esc it, now it works but throws me out after showing me the shares |
| 04:29.47 | rahul | klys: if they're args, yes |
| 04:29.54 | Xenocide | so its somewhere between c and C++ in that one guy's performance testing |
| 04:29.56 | exobyte | is gkdial-gnome a decent ppp dialer? |
| 04:29.56 | nvz | qube: probably because your samba config doesnt point at the same workgroup as the windows box |
| 04:29.57 | rahul | or wait. what IS $* |
| 04:30.03 | rahul | Xenocide: so is lisp |
| 04:30.11 | Mawbid | does the bot publish its answer database somewhere? |
| 04:30.15 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: it has to be the same version as galeon was built against. Wherever you're getting galeon from should have the right mozilla package as well. |
| 04:30.28 | Covener | rahul: all the args |
| 04:30.31 | qube | nvz: even if its on a domain? i set it up already during the samba installed where it asks for workgroup/domain, i typed in 'arwa' which is the domain name |
| 04:30.33 | rahul | Xenocide: especially when you optimize it correctly instead of doing the kind of things that benchmark wants to do |
| 04:30.37 | klys | rahul: the idea is to use find, herein lies the problem, it implies backquotes |
| 04:30.41 | qube | sup rahul |
| 04:30.48 | rahul | Covener: including $0 with $@? |
| 04:30.52 | rahul | ah, RQ |
| 04:31.01 | rahul | didn't notice you with that nick :P |
| 04:31.05 | RoundQube | heh |
| 04:31.19 | ulitz | dondelelcaro: yeah im trying to find it now... thanks |
| 04:31.22 | rahul | klys: use -exec |
| 04:31.27 | klys | rahul: "$*" is all the parameters in one shot |
| 04:31.31 | nvz | qube: was just a wild guess, I had just walked back into the room, I am not particuarly a samba guru, just had used it once or twice and had that problem.. had to do with the called name not being present.. if you could imagine that |
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| 04:31.37 | klys | rahul: thx |
| 04:31.46 | RoundQube | nvz this line is in my smb.conf workgroup = arwa |
| 04:31.53 | RoundQube | nvz: how did you resolve it? |
| 04:31.54 | dondelelcaro | klys: why not use xargs and find? |
| 04:32.09 | Ryuujin | hum.. i had some user named nobody making a find on my computer.. is there any chance that i can find out who it was? |
| 04:32.22 | rahul | dondelelcaro: well, he might as well use -exec directly |
| 04:32.31 | rahul | Ryuujin: it was nobody :) |
| 04:32.38 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 04:32.38 | nvz | RoundQube: put them both on the same workgroup I think is what solved it for me.. but I am sure there are other instances where the host could not be present |
| 04:32.39 | dondelelcaro | rahul: depends what you're doing, but sure. |
| 04:32.41 | rahul | Ryuujin: nobody is a user with no real permissions. |
| 04:32.48 | rahul | Ryuujin: it was probably updatedb |
| 04:32.51 | RoundQube | nvz: the domain name is arwa and the machine im trying to connect to is gonzo, so seems like its connecting just throwing me out afterwards |
| 04:33.02 | klys | dondelelcaro: I'll look into the xargs bit, thx |
| 04:33.04 | rahul | dondelelcaro: it's conceptually the same as a for loop |
| 04:33.19 | rahul | klys: you'll want to use -print0 and xargs -0 if you go that route |
| 04:33.20 | RoundQube | nvz: putting what on the same workgroup? im on a domain, does it matter? |
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| 04:33.47 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yersh... just that if you don't need a forloop, xargs is often faster. |
| 04:33.58 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yep |
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| 04:34.12 | rahul | LESS FORKING |
| 04:34.18 | klys | rahul: I keep getting this "missing argument to -exec" |
| 04:34.21 | dondelelcaro | rahul: not to mention the fact that the '{}' ';' syntax of find sucks. |
| 04:34.22 | rahul | oh wait, wrong chan for that :P |
| 04:34.27 | rahul | klys: man find |
| 04:34.33 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yeah, erk |
| 04:34.33 | klys | rahul: righ |
| 04:34.37 | klys | right |
| 04:35.05 | Ryuujin | rahul: anyways.. i deleted the user.. can that make any difference? |
| 04:35.23 | emmajane | I'm back :) |
| 04:35.28 | rahul | Ryuujin: it will basically break a bunch of packages |
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| 04:35.40 | Ryuujin | rahul: and if i add the user again? |
| 04:35.40 | kerpal | anyone familiar with this error: |
| 04:35.41 | kerpal | ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly. |
| 04:35.42 | rahul | Ryuujin: don't just randomly delete stuff that's there. it's there because it's needed. |
| 04:35.52 | rahul | Ryuujin: it should be fixed |
| 04:35.53 | peterS | kerpal: it's just what it sounds like |
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| 04:35.59 | emmajane | grey: you still around? |
| 04:36.02 | RoundQube | thanks guys |
| 04:36.04 | RoundQube | i got it |
| 04:36.09 | peterS | kerpal: the solution is to patch your app to use '#include <errno.h>' in place of 'extern int errno;' |
| 04:36.13 | peterS | kerpal: then of course recompile |
| 04:36.15 | Ryuujin | rahul: hum.. needs a password.. should i just choose one? |
| 04:36.20 | RoundQube | nvz, peterS, Sebulba02 and mwilson - collaborative effort |
| 04:36.26 | rahul | Ryuujin: no, add it EXACTLY as it was |
| 04:36.27 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 04:36.37 | Ryuujin | rahul: it needs a password |
| 04:36.38 | peterS | RoundQube: heh |
| 04:36.38 | kerpal | peterS: thats rough becuase the error comes from mysql that was working. ;( |
| 04:36.46 | rahul | Ryuujin: how did you delete it? |
| 04:36.46 | peterS | kerpal: it's caused by a libc6 upgrade |
| 04:36.57 | Ryuujin | rahul: deluser nobody |
| 04:36.58 | deadcat | dont know if this is a bug or not. options set to y in xconfig cant be cahnged in menuconfig. any idea? |
| 04:37.04 | peterS | kerpal: the solution is as I say. the other solution would be to downgrade libc again, but that only postpones the day of reckoning (: |
| 04:37.06 | kerpal | peterS: Can i back port it? |
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| 04:37.21 | klys | rahul: it's find . -exec ls {} \; |
| 04:37.21 | peterS | kerpal: not sure what your situation is |
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| 04:37.28 | rahul | Ryuujin: erg |
| 04:37.28 | kerpal | peterS: postponign sounds good at the momment. |
| 04:37.34 | CodyBailey | what version of LVM does the latest debian 2.4 kernel use? |
| 04:37.40 | rahul | Ryuujin: you need to keep it with the same UID, really |
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| 04:37.48 | X-trey | where i find this linux? |
| 04:37.51 | rahul | nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 04:37.51 | kerpal | peterS: just want to start devolping a php site/mysql |
| 04:37.53 | DMJC | i've got a problem with my route tables.. |
| 04:37.59 | CodyBailey | apt, tell me about kernel |
| 04:38.00 | DMJC | there's no loopback entry |
| 04:38.00 | rahul | nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 04:38.04 | exobyte | what program is good for internet dialing. I'm currently playing with gkdial |
| 04:38.04 | kerpal | I think if i back port and wait for the next mysql update i will be okayy. |
| 04:38.06 | rahul | eh |
| 04:38.08 | Ryuujin | rahul: i dunno what to do now :/ |
| 04:38.20 | peterS | kerpal: well, wherever you got your mysql from, compiled against libc6 2.3.x but not patched for the errno thing, file a bug with those people |
| 04:38.22 | rahul | nobody:*:12023:0:99999:7::: |
| 04:38.22 | zeeble | exobyte wvdial is nice. for a gui, kwvdial |
| 04:38.38 | exobyte | zeeble: thx. I wanted the gui |
| 04:38.38 | rahul | Ryuujin: add the two lines I pasted to your passwd and shadow files |
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| 04:38.40 | peterS | kerpal: meanwhile ... either build your mysql against libc6 2.2.x (and deploy it with 2.2.x) or patch mysql as I detailed above |
| 04:39.08 | zeeble | exobyte i'd suggest you use the cli version, thatis wvdial |
| 04:39.10 | rahul | or use the mysql in debian |
| 04:39.12 | Ryuujin | rahul: i don't know where they are.. *cough* *hides* |
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| 04:39.19 | klys | rahul: thanks |
| 04:39.20 | rahul | Ryuujin: oh boy. |
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| 04:39.25 | rahul | Ryuujin: /etc/ |
| 04:39.29 | davisfactor | is there a problem with installing a program if an older version is already installed? |
| 04:39.34 | rahul | Ryuujin: don't run with scissors, please |
| 04:39.46 | rahul | davisfactor: not with dpkg |
| 04:39.53 | Ryuujin | rahul: can you paste the two lines in my private? |
| 04:39.56 | peterS | davisfactor: 'apt-get install' will replace the old one with the new one, unless the packager has taken steps to allow them to coexist (by changing the package name, etc.) |
| 04:39.58 | davisfactor | rahul: ok thanks |
| 04:39.58 | rahul | davisfactor: especially not if they're debian released |
| 04:40.03 | rahul | Ryuujin: no scrollback? |
| 04:40.16 | exobyte | zeeble: yup, I saw that one in your first reply. It's hard to translate how I would say something through text ;) |
| 04:40.22 | davisfactor | peterS: right ... thanks im installing a package i manually downloaded |
| 04:40.23 | emmajane | chroot question for y'all... |
| 04:40.30 | emmajane | /usr/sbin/chroot . bin/bash |
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| 04:40.38 | emmajane | vs. |
| 04:40.43 | emmajane | /usr/sbin/chroot . /bin/bash |
| 04:40.44 | zeeble | exobyte well, whatever you use, good luck |
| 04:40.51 | emmajane | what's the difference between those two? |
| 04:40.52 | peterS | davisfactor: well, 'dpkg -i' will do the same - replace one version with another. assuming they were both installed from .deb files |
| 04:40.58 | davisfactor | thanks guys .. yup, it uninstalled the old one and installed the new one |
| 04:41.06 | rahul | emmajane: nothing |
| 04:41.12 | emmajane | bummer |
| 04:41.12 | davisfactor | ok have a good night everyone |
| 04:41.17 | emmajane | I thought I was onto something. :) |
| 04:41.20 | zeeble | emmajane they are not 2 things you can compare |
| 04:41.20 | nevyn | does anyone know of a CDG player in debian that's good? |
| 04:41.25 | exobyte | zeeble: thx. Cool! I already have it |
| 04:41.29 | peterS | emmajane: what are they doing differently for you? |
| 04:41.30 | emmajane | zeeble: why not? |
| 04:41.33 | rahul | zeeble: the . indicates that they are |
| 04:41.41 | emmajane | peter_: /bin/bash vs. bin/bash |
| 04:41.44 | rahul | actually, they always can be compared |
| 04:41.46 | nvz | rahul: the . implies absolute path? |
| 04:41.56 | zeeble | rahul hmm. |
| 04:41.57 | peterS | emmajane: yes ... but why did you think they might be different? are they behaving different? |
| 04:42.03 | rahul | nvz: no, chroot makes the pwd the new root |
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| 04:42.09 | deadcat | emmajane: bin/bash depends where you at |
| 04:42.23 | robink | I can't remove a job w/ cups. 'lprm hplj-10' does nothing. |
| 04:42.24 | protoloco | heyy |
| 04:42.26 | emmajane | peterS: I just had a very nasty experience with chroot and I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong before dropping another $100 to get RedHat reinstalled so I can install Debian on top.:) |
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| 04:42.33 | exobyte | zeeble: Ok, it just started the dial. Where's the interface for it? |
| 04:42.34 | protoloco | when will be the new release of debian stable ?? |
| 04:42.41 | protoloco | i hate have gnome 1.6 in the default instalation |
| 04:42.44 | rahul | protoloco: tomorrow |
| 04:42.46 | peterS | emmajane: ah, I see. trying to rule stuff out. well, as others said, bin/bash and /bin/bash will do the same thing in that situation |
| 04:42.49 | exobyte | when it's ready |
| 04:42.49 | protoloco | rahul, ? |
| 04:42.55 | rahul | protoloco: ; |
| 04:42.57 | emmajane | peterS: bummer. :) |
| 04:43.11 | emmajane | thanks though |
| 04:43.32 | protoloco | tomorrow ? |
| 04:43.45 | nvz | protoloco: if its ready tomorrow |
| 04:43.46 | rahul | yep |
| 04:43.50 | rahul | :) |
| 04:43.51 | zeeble | exobyte http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html |
| 04:43.53 | exobyte | protoloco: don't count on it |
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| 04:44.28 | rahul | protoloco: seriously, do you think we can see the future? |
| 04:45.24 | pat5star | I'm in the process of hardening a debian box that will be used as a server with a few users that will have shell access. Currently I'm removing world readable permissions from files and I'm overwhelmed with how many files actually have that set! Anyone know of a URL that discusses doing this properly? I'm sure I'm going to remove r perms from a file that I shouldn't :) |
| 04:45.32 | protoloco | rahul, i dont know, maybe somebody knows that there will be a new debian stable like woody but know another one. |
| 04:45.34 | duncanmv_ | anyone knows about this bug? |
| 04:45.35 | duncanmv_ | creating template1 database in /var/lib/postgres/data/base/1... ok |
| 04:45.35 | duncanmv_ | initializing pg_shadow... /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/initdb: line 698: cannot create temp file for here document: Permission denied |
| 04:45.43 | duncanmv_ | makes postgresql installation to fail |
| 04:45.44 | exobyte | zeeble: I've got some reading to do. later |
| 04:45.52 | rahul | protoloco: english please |
| 04:45.54 | peterS | pat5star: the thing about world readable files - if they're installed from a Debian CD, it's not like it's any great secret what their contents are. it's usually not worth it to remove such permissions |
| 04:45.54 | zeeble | pat5star search for "trinity os david ranch" |
| 04:46.10 | rahul | pat5star: uh... why would you want to not make those files world readable? |
| 04:46.27 | rahul | pat5star: make sure those "few users" are not out to exploit your system |
| 04:46.37 | iscsi | does anyone have Canon printer i-Series and can tell me if they are fully supported under linux? |
| 04:46.46 | Penix | iscsi: stfw |
| 04:46.47 | pat5star | peterS: I'm actually concerned that many /var/log/* files have o-r set which could potentially contain info that shouldn't be read...among other files |
| 04:47.02 | protoloco | Hey, somebody knows that if i upgrade snort, my costum configurations and all the rules that i have set, will be destroyed ? |
| 04:47.03 | pat5star | zeeble: ok, thanks |
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| 04:47.14 | peterS | pat5star: that's a valid concern. you can just set o-rx for /var/log itself, I think, if you want. |
| 04:47.20 | rahul | pat5star: the important one tat sholdn't be read is the secure log, and it's not |
| 04:47.39 | peterS | pat5star: it should be group 'adm' - just make sure the administrative accounts that run scripts that parse log files are all in the adm group |
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| 04:47.46 | rahul | pat5star: the rest are very useful to users who want to know if they broke something |
| 04:48.03 | rahul | pat5star: e.g. reading the http access log is helpful |
| 04:48.10 | pat5star | peterS: ok thanks, that's what I'll do |
| 04:48.15 | rahul | error log especially, if they're making CGIs |
| 04:48.19 | pat5star | rahul: for who? |
| 04:48.38 | rahul | pat5star: for the users. if they contacted some daemon on the box and want to see what it did, for example |
| 04:50.08 | Jacobo221 | I'm looking for a program like Windows's LogicWorks but for Linux, but I can't find any... |
| 04:50.11 | pat5star | rahul: right, what I'm concerned about is logs that contain private info that other users shouldn't be able to read. For ex. get requests with sensitive params (although that's a bad design I'm sure someone will do it!) |
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| 04:50.32 | zeeble | Jacobo221 what does LogicWorks do? |
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| 04:50.57 | Jacobo221 | zeeble: it simulates logic hardware |
| 04:51.11 | rahul | pat5star: maybe you can redirect the logs with a .htaccess or something |
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| 04:52.14 | pol | gentlemen: when i ssh to my computer in the living room, and run a "mozilla &" from that host, somehow mozilla just run locally anyhow.. any idea why and how to run it explicitly from the remote computer? |
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| 04:53.02 | pol | that computer is a 2.4ghz with a gig of ram, compared to this 300mhz w/ 256 ram |
| 04:53.28 | pat5star | rahul: that's a possibility I guess. More what I'm thinking of right now is just removing world readable permissions, without removing them from a file that will break something...and then slowly I'll open up permissions as needed. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid but I'd rather go with deny everything first and then open up what's needed :) |
| 04:53.53 | mosty | pol, how do you know it's running locally? |
| 04:53.59 | zeeble | polhave you enabled ssh forwarding? as in do you ssh in with the -X option? |
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| 04:54.16 | pol | mosty: its loading with local theme and bookmarks |
| 04:54.22 | overflow | Hi .. Is there any way to make that when I compile a package using apt-get source it uses optimization Flags for my processor? |
| 04:54.28 | mosty | pol, check with ps |
| 04:54.32 | rahul | pat5star: debian's defaults are reasonable. |
| 04:54.44 | rahul | pat5star: if you can't trust your users, you shouldn't put them on the machine |
| 04:54.49 | pol | zeeble: hmmm.. actually, no.. this time i just ssh in with "ssh 192.168.0.103" |
| 04:54.53 | nachwehen | I'm back, and be serious. You think Debian is the right distro for my little lappy. I was thinkning Core or Slackware. |
| 04:54.58 | rahul | overflow: asked and answered |
| 04:55.04 | overflow | rahul: did you answered my question before right? |
| 04:55.07 | rahul | nachwehen: why wouldn't we? |
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| 04:55.10 | rahul | overflow: yes |
| 04:55.23 | overflow | rahul: sorry but I was with bitchx and was really hard to take note |
| 04:55.26 | nachwehen | Because I refuse to accept you statment. |
| 04:55.32 | pat5star | rahul: I disagree. I found a ton of files with o+rx set, plus I found a ton of users and groups not be used that had shell access. I'm actually suprised how much is open that shouldn't be IMHO! |
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| 04:55.45 | zeeble | pol wekk, try sshing in, just ssh -X 192.168.0.103 and then exec mozilla and tell what happened |
| 04:55.56 | Jared | Is there a list of the Debian Installation Steps somewhere (Like: 1. Preload essential modules 2. Partition a harddisk. Like it says in the install) |
| 04:56.08 | rahul | overflow: CFLAGS, if the package's build script doesn't override that |
| 04:56.18 | rahul | overflow: and if it actually uses that |
| 04:56.20 | nachwehen | I used debian for the longest time and I never loked the way it sopped up hdd space with usless applications and old packages. |
| 04:56.27 | nachwehen | loked = liked |
| 04:56.30 | helix | nachwehen: stop trolling |
| 04:56.33 | rahul | nachwehen: then you're an idiot |
| 04:56.42 | peterS | Jared: other than the install guide? there is an install guide - is that what you've already checked? |
| 04:56.45 | helix | rahul: YHBT. HAND. |
| 04:56.47 | nachwehen | wtf, is trolling? |
| 04:56.56 | helix | nachwehen: you are a troll |
| 04:57.00 | overflow | rahul: And which file is the build script to make it use CFLAG? |
| 04:57.10 | rahul | helix: he's either an idiot because he's trolling or because he's serious :) |
| 04:57.11 | Jared | peterS: It didn't look like it had it in order. This is for a project |
| 04:57.27 | helix | rahul: he's definitely an idiot :) |
| 04:57.34 | taken | how to power off at shutdown with acpi ? i have acpi and acpid installed but don't know how to do that |
| 04:57.37 | Jared | I'll check the documentation again, however |
| 04:57.39 | erf | echo idiot |
| 04:57.40 | peterS | Jared: just booting up a debian CD should tell you all you need to know. maybe I'm confused about what you need |
| 04:57.40 | rahul | overflow: huh? debian/rules and Makefile are usually the way these things work |
| 04:57.50 | nachwehen | Rahul, You dare call me an idiot for saying I don't like that debian doesn't allow me to configure it to not waste my hard drive space? |
| 04:57.54 | overflow | rahul: Thanks a lot |
| 04:57.56 | rahul | nachwehen: yes |
| 04:57.57 | Jared | peterS: I don't have a CD Handy. |
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| 04:58.04 | nachwehen | Fsck you.; |
| 04:58.07 | peterS | Jared: ah (: |
| 04:58.07 | pol | zeeble: now it works :) I did a manual ssh earlier because the IP for that computer changed after it rebooted earlier |
| 04:58.08 | erf | what is HDD space for but to take up anyhow ;) |
| 04:58.08 | helix | nachwehen: no one makes you use debian. use something else. troll. |
| 04:58.10 | Jared | I was just wondering if I missed it somewhere |
| 04:58.11 | rahul | nachwehen: because it does allow you to do that |
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| 04:58.26 | rahul | what a weak troll |
| 04:58.33 | helix | yeah. FATMOUSE was much better |
| 04:58.43 | pol | zeeble: and this was the first time i've tried running mozilla over the network.. just got everything setup last week |
| 04:59.22 | pol | zeeble: now my question is this: why did that computer end up using 192.168.0.103 instead of what 192.168.0.103 which it usually used? |
| 04:59.33 | pol | err, the last one should end with .102 |
| 04:59.55 | protoloco | Hey, somebody knows that if i upgrade snort, my costum configurations and all the rules that i have set, will be destroyed ? |
| 05:00.08 | peterS | pol: is this DHCP? if so, the client has no control over what IP address it is given. it can request a particular one but the server is under no obligation to honor that |
| 05:00.30 | pol | peterS: yes, the router i have is the DHCP server.. |
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| 05:00.51 | pol | peterS: so i should consult the router documentation regarding that then..? |
| 05:00.53 | peterS | pol: in that case, take it up with your router software. (: like I said, it gives out any IP address it wants |
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| 05:01.27 | mwilson | pol: What are you expecting the documentation to tell you? There's no reason why the server should give you the same IP, as peterS said. |
| 05:01.31 | peterS | pol: DHCP servers can usually be configured to remember what IP they gave a particular client and give it out again. or, to give out fixed addresses. or, to remember nothing and give out whatever is free. |
| 05:02.09 | peterS | pol: the latter config is sometimes used by ISPs so that people who want unchanging IPs are required to pay extra for explicit fixed IPs |
| 05:02.51 | pol | peterS: could it possibly have a "dead client" attached to it or something telling it that .102 is not available? i don't know how it is configured as it sits, but i have noticed that it is usually being given the .102 IP... |
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| 05:03.45 | peterS | pol: like I said, it's a matter of your router config. there are usually many ways to configure DHCP servers. who knows why it is suddenly giving out .103 instead of .102? |
| 05:03.45 | pol | i am a complete newbie to networking right now.. i've just recently learned how to do remote x-apps, and i'm trying to learn as quickly as i can |
| 05:03.54 | nvz | pol: often based on mac addresses stored in the dhcp table, they will be given the same address, but as peterS said its not required to honor such things, what you perhaps want, is to set your dhcp pool higher and leave some addresses for static use.. I for example start dhcp at x.x.x.10 and the first 9 addresses are static |
| 05:04.05 | peterS | pol: yeah, it's probably thinking .102 is tied up, somehow. you'll have to figure out why it thinks that |
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| 05:04.23 | mwilson | pol: One of the basic tenets of DHCP is that the client shouldn't care what IP it gets, otherwise why is it deriving an address via DHCP? |
| 05:05.07 | pat5star | pol: can you access your router through your browser to make administrative changes? |
| 05:05.24 | nvz | pol: just because your router has DHCP enabled doesnt nessicarily mean you cant also setup static clients to use that gateway |
| 05:05.39 | pol | mwilson: i was hoping the computer in the living room would always have the same IP so that i can just put "aterm -e ssh -X 192.168.0.102" into my menu and be done with it |
| 05:05.45 | pol | pat5star: yes |
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| 05:06.20 | pat5star | pol: then you should be able to set up some static ip addresses, plus you should be able to clear the dhcp addresses table as well |
| 05:06.23 | mwilson | pol: Why wouldn't you just give it a static IP, then? |
| 05:06.34 | nvz | pol: setup a qualified hostname, and just ssh hostname, or give that PC a static configuration.. only requires a few lines be added/modified in /etc/network/interfaces in most cases |
| 05:06.39 | pol | nvz: ok, so the router config should have an option somewhere to setup static IP's? |
| 05:06.51 | gratuit | pol: or have dhcp assign IPs based on mac address |
| 05:06.51 | pol | mwilson: i was unaware that i could :) |
| 05:06.52 | The_Vulture | pol: yes, based on MAC addresses most probably |
| 05:06.59 | gratuit | well, that one in particular |
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| 05:07.50 | pol | is there a good networking how-to which would explain these particular issues? |
| 05:07.56 | nvz | pol: no, it should however hace an option that sets the DHCP pool something like 192.168.0.1:32 or the like.. mine is 10.0.0.10:5 as I only have tops 5 DHCP addresses leased at a time, and 10.0.0.2 - 10.0.0.9 are not used, so they can be static IPs |
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| 05:08.43 | pol | setting up a qualified hostname, does that require registering it somewhere on the internet and paying fees? |
| 05:08.48 | nvz | pol: you simply edit /etc/network/interfaces on that box, and setup the eth0 as static, with the gateway address, netmask, and the desired IP. |
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| 05:09.16 | nvz | pol: no this is your local intranet, has nothing to do with the internet, but yes its more work than a static IP |
| 05:09.31 | pat5star | pol: there's not much to it really. Read your router docs to set up a static ip address and then in the computer you want the same ip address of you just have to alter /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:10.48 | pol | pat5star: the router doc's say: "Please see help files available through the web interface" its D-Link |
| 05:10.58 | nvz | pol: read "man 5 interfaces" then edit the /etc/network/interfaces file, on the section for eth0 and make it static rather than dhcp, and add lines for gateway, subnet, IP, this info can be found in the output of ifconfig |
| 05:11.41 | pol | is it advisable to use -C for compression with ssh? |
| 05:11.50 | pat5star | pol: I don't use D-Link so I'm not sure how you configure that...but I'm sure there's info at their website or on google. |
| 05:12.37 | nvz | pol: I could show you my network interfaces file if you'd like to /j #flood, but its really quite simple |
| 05:12.45 | emmajane | what's a bf variant kernel? |
| 05:12.59 | nvz | emmajane: boot floppy |
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| 05:13.07 | emmajane | thanks |
| 05:13.07 | rahul | emmajane: non-vanilla installer kernel |
| 05:13.10 | rahul | I guess |
| 05:13.21 | rahul | like compact, idepci, bf2.4 |
| 05:13.43 | rahul | pol: it usually helps |
| 05:13.52 | rahul | pol: but it adds latency, of course |
| 05:13.58 | pol | nvz: yes, please |
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| 05:16.17 | Ryuujin | i don't believe it; #debian became quiet. O.o |
| 05:16.17 | pol | strange thing i've just noticed: i have mozilla running on the remote computer displaying on my screen here, when i run mozilla locally it just runs another instance of the remote client |
| 05:16.20 | Ryuujin | err.. |
| 05:17.12 | rahul | we're all penix-and-penix-and-hummus-and-lentil-and-lisped out |
| 05:17.18 | rahul | penix-and-penis, even |
| 05:17.26 | kerpal | Hmm some how i got bent over pretty hard on mysql. ;( |
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| 05:17.39 | kerpal | My users accts for mysql have dissapeared ;( |
| 05:17.45 | Ryuujin | are we? |
| 05:17.54 | kerpal | I am locked out of mysql, anyone have any suggs |
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| 05:18.29 | rahul | Ryuujin: I am, for sure |
| 05:18.37 | rahul | and by the actions of others, it seems they are too |
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| 05:18.50 | rahul | kerpal: add the accounts back |
| 05:18.58 | Ryuujin | rahul: i don't realy like what my mind relates it to. |
| 05:19.09 | rahul | Ryuujin: which it? |
| 05:19.35 | rahul | and it's your own mind. if you don't like how it works, what CAN you like? |
| 05:19.46 | Xenocide | kerpal: postgres? |
| 05:20.06 | Ryuujin | rahul: errr.. nevermind.. |
| 05:20.09 | rahul | Xenocide: damn. I really am stupid today. |
| 05:20.15 | Ryuujin | there might be some fainthearted in here. |
| 05:20.20 | kerpal | rahul: not sure how i can add acoutns back when i cannot log in via shell. |
| 05:20.24 | rahul | Ryuujin: that's their problem :) |
| 05:20.37 | rahul | kerpal: what does that have to do with mysql? |
| 05:20.40 | Ryuujin | rahul: and mine too, if they blame me. |
| 05:20.42 | kerpal | Tried to login to the server via root, and a few other mysql users.. |
| 05:20.44 | gnat | if i add a modules with modprobe and it works, how do i add it permanently? |
| 05:20.46 | rahul | Ryuujin: not really |
| 05:20.55 | kerpal | mysql -u root |
| 05:20.58 | rahul | Ryuujin: that's still their problem for blaming you |
| 05:21.10 | rahul | kerpal: reading the README.Debian helps |
| 05:21.13 | Ryuujin | might be. |
| 05:21.18 | rahul | gnat: add it to /etc/modules |
| 05:21.25 | Xenocide | anyone here using runit? |
| 05:21.29 | gnat | rahul: thanks |
| 05:22.35 | nvz | gnat: and also, if you use modconf which is an ncurses base module browser, it loads them and adds them to /etc/modules for you.. it doesnt currently work in 2.6.0 that I know of |
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| 05:22.50 | rahul | nvz: the new release in unstable does |
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| 05:23.18 | nvz | rahul: hmm. the new modconf or is there a 2.6 deb now? |
| 05:23.34 | rahul | nvz: new modconf. what is a 2.6 deb of? |
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| 05:24.06 | nvz | rahul: I dont know I am not a programmer I had no clue if the problem was the kernel or modconf or module-init-tools or what it was |
| 05:24.30 | rahul | nvz: it was in the way modconf looked for modules |
| 05:24.55 | rahul | after all, it was only modconf that didn't work :) |
| 05:25.12 | nvz | well I wouldnt know my 2.6 kernel doesnt even have modules |
| 05:25.21 | rahul | fair enough :) |
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| 05:27.19 | KudoBoi | hi guys |
| 05:27.59 | KudoBoi | how do i log in as root? |
| 05:28.05 | zeeble | nvk you dont have to be a programmer to run linux, or build a newkernel :) |
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| 05:28.20 | zeeble | KudoBoi you login as nornal user, then you use the su command. |
| 05:28.22 | rahul | KudoBoi: um... |
| 05:28.37 | KudoBoi | the command is "su" |
| 05:28.42 | KudoBoi | yes? |
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| 05:29.03 | zeeble | KudoBoi yes, and read the manpage for su |
| 05:29.17 | helix | ~unboggle rahul |
| 05:29.28 | KudoBoi | what should i do if the man page is too long? |
| 05:29.31 | rahul | helix: I'm busy boggling in #linux, too |
| 05:29.33 | nvz | well I think I'll chug a few more beers, then its off to bed for me its getting late |
| 05:29.34 | Xenocide | zeeble: indeed, many programmers run linux without a clue how it works underneath |
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| 05:29.41 | rahul | someone can't find a 3-device scsi cable |
| 05:29.41 | helix | rahul: you're making me dizzy |
| 05:29.41 | zeeble | Xenocide heh |
| 05:29.41 | nvz | er.. its been late.. its getting early |
| 05:29.48 | rahul | helix: well, you're a helix |
| 05:29.59 | rahul | all that turning will do that |
| 05:30.09 | zeeble | KudoBoi well, when you type man something, it shows you page by page, right? |
| 05:30.18 | KudoBoi | no, it jumps to the last page |
| 05:30.22 | zeeble | KudoBoi weird |
| 05:30.31 | rahul | helix: heh |
| 05:30.31 | nvz | KudoBoi: you apperently dont have a pager |
| 05:30.35 | nvz | KudoBoi: install less |
| 05:30.40 | helix | KudoBoi: apt-get install less |
| 05:30.41 | zeeble | hmm, ballerina |
| 05:30.53 | rahul | there are a few ballerinas in my apt complex |
| 05:30.56 | KudoBoi | ok |
| 05:31.02 | rahul | living near lincoln center and all |
| 05:31.03 | helix | oh wait |
| 05:31.06 | zeeble | weird, i hate this term's scheduling. classes are over by 11am |
| 05:31.09 | helix | you can't install without being root |
| 05:31.12 | helix | quite a quandary |
| 05:31.23 | KudoBoi | how do i download a file from HTTP using apt-get? |
| 05:31.34 | rahul | actually most of them are students, probably at fordham, I'd guess |
| 05:31.35 | Penix | ~cluebat KudoBoi |
| 05:31.39 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps KudoBoi. |
| 05:31.39 | helix | rahul: ah, i've been there.. ballet can be boring |
| 05:31.43 | rahul | helix: probably |
| 05:31.43 | nvz | KudoBoi: apt-get install wget; wget http://domain/file |
| 05:31.44 | peterS | KudoBoi: apt-get install {packagename} |
| 05:31.47 | erf | peterS did you eat a dictionary man? polynuculotic? |
| 05:31.47 | rahul | Penix: you're late |
| 05:31.48 | zeeble | KudoBoi you use wget to download from http |
| 05:31.56 | peterS | KudoBoi: if you just want to download and not install, try 'apt-get -d install' |
| 05:32.07 | helix | zeeble: he doesn't know how to become root |
| 05:32.16 | helix | zeeble: therefore... he can't apt-get anything... |
| 05:32.16 | rahul | erf: nucular, damn it |
| 05:32.20 | helix | that will help him become root |
| 05:32.22 | peterS | erf: I don't eat dictionaries as a rule. I don't believe in word-of-mouth |
| 05:32.22 | rahul | it's nucular! |
| 05:32.25 | helix | sux 4 him |
| 05:32.30 | rahul | word-in-mouth |
| 05:32.33 | zeeble | helix well, told him to use su and become root, and then man su for more info |
| 05:32.35 | KudoBoi | ok thanks |
| 05:32.37 | peterS | rahul: heh, that too |
| 05:32.51 | rahul | like foot-in-mouth, sometimes |
| 05:33.00 | nvz | alright.. I am getting off IRC, before I am up all night and sleep all day |
| 05:33.02 | rahul | depending on the word, of course |
| 05:33.03 | zeeble | does'nt it smell? |
| 05:33.03 | peterS | rahul: now *that*, I'm very proficient at |
| 05:33.09 | rahul | heh |
| 05:33.12 | rahul | peterS: TMI |
| 05:33.14 | helix | nvz: i wish i'd thought of that |
| 05:33.18 | helix | rahul: he speaks the truth |
| 05:33.20 | pol | nvz: take care |
| 05:33.25 | nvz | good $TIME_OF_DAY everyone |
| 05:33.32 | helix | boa noite |
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| 05:33.37 | rahul | later nvz |
| 05:33.40 | peterS | nvz: $'DAY |
| 05:33.51 | nvz | heh |
| 05:34.05 | rahul | $*DAY<tab> :) |
| 05:34.05 | modconf | no idea, rahul |
| 05:34.09 | nvz | thats like the AU version of it |
| 05:34.10 | rahul | modconf: idiot |
| 05:34.10 | modconf | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Mandrake package on Redhat and calls it a rpm issue when dependencies dont resolve |
| 05:34.16 | rahul | heh |
| 05:34.16 | peterS | rahul: heh |
| 05:34.25 | rahul | HEH |
| 05:34.26 | pol | is there a way to give ssh a password so that i could have a menu command which logs in and runs mozilla from the remote computer on my local display? |
| 05:34.31 | Penix | HeH |
| 05:34.34 | rahul | Penix: no |
| 05:34.39 | nvz | rahul: modconf's trigger was ? but I had asked Rich_H to change it.. |
| 05:34.44 | Penix | rahul: yes |
| 05:34.46 | rahul | pol: that makes no sense |
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| 05:34.54 | rahul | pol: ssh just lets you log in as a user |
| 05:35.02 | rahul | pol: enable X forwarding and run mozilla |
| 05:35.06 | peterS | nvz: $ isn't that much better. if you post bash command lines it will hit |
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| 05:35.15 | nvz | I;ve seen modconf triggered on accident twice today |
| 05:35.21 | peterS | yeah, me too |
| 05:35.22 | gnat | ok heres another total newbie question: if lspci says my vid card is on 1:00.0 what do i enter as my card's bus identifier when configging xfree |
| 05:35.30 | peterS | gnat: leave it blank |
| 05:35.37 | peterS | gnat: unless you have multiple cards of the same brand |
| 05:35.38 | rahul | Penix: spanking my tab key will just show off its wonderous abilities even more |
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| 05:35.44 | Penix | heh |
| 05:35.51 | gnat | its a radeon 9800 which is dual head |
| 05:35.53 | gnat | does that mater? |
| 05:35.54 | rahul | gnat: that, in the format the help says |
| 05:36.02 | nvz | peterS: yeah but cluebies who use excess ?'s and press enter too much really trigger it like crazy.. so its an improvement |
| 05:36.04 | pol | rahul: how would i be able to just run that from a menu entry, or is there no other way than opening the ssh window and then manually running mozilla? |
| 05:36.12 | rahul | gnat: yes, you'll need the fglrx drivers from ati |
| 05:36.13 | ljlane | gnat, it suggest such right on that screen |
| 05:36.28 | peterS | nvz: no argument there. something like ^ wouldn't generate many false positives, though, I expect |
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| 05:36.39 | rahul | pol: you can put the command to be run on the ssh command line |
| 05:36.42 | pol | rahul: i guess i actually want this computer i'm on to just be an x terminal |
| 05:36.46 | rahul | pol: or set the user's shell to that |
| 05:36.53 | nvz | peterS: well where the hell were you when I mentioned it to RichH_ and we were taking suggestions? |
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| 05:37.25 | peterS | nvz: I was Off The Internet for the past week++. going through mad withdrawal symptoms. |
| 05:37.45 | rahul | peterS: bars help that withdrawal |
| 05:37.49 | helix | nvz: his family members put him in detox |
| 05:37.51 | rahul | help with, even |
| 05:38.04 | rahul | peterS: in fact, they caused it for me |
| 05:38.04 | peterS | rahul: so I hear |
| 05:38.22 | peterS | rahul: nah, you get likkered up and *then* hit irc. at least so it would appear |
| 05:38.24 | nvz | peterS: well I have been away from IRC for about a week or so myself.. this was more than two weeks ago |
| 05:38.30 | rahul | peterS: not always |
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| 05:38.34 | peterS | nvz: oh. well, I dunno where I was then |
| 05:38.35 | helix | nvz: stop bragging |
| 05:38.40 | rahul | peterS: for about 6-8 months I was totally off IRC |
| 05:38.46 | nvz | helix: bragging? |
| 05:38.48 | rahul | didn't even get a network connection |
| 05:38.52 | rahul | (at home) |
| 05:39.00 | helix | nvz: that you were offline for that long ;( |
| 05:39.04 | peterS | "my name is peterS and I'm a junkie ... I've been un-irced for 10 days ... I fell off the wagon today ..." |
| 05:39.07 | rahul | helix: I'm bragging even more. so there. :P |
| 05:39.26 | helix | rahul: you're poor |
| 05:39.29 | nvz | helix: oh I wasnt offline, just lost in windoze-luser-land and didnt come in here at all |
| 05:39.38 | helix | !lart nvz |
| 05:39.50 | rahul | helix: well, right now I'm quite a bit more poor than I was yesterday, yes |
| 05:40.07 | helix | rahul: was it worth it? |
| 05:40.11 | rahul | hell yeah |
| 05:40.20 | rahul | helix: you saw first hand |
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| 05:40.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.33 | helix | rahul: we have different opinions of what constitutes fun |
| 05:40.38 | rahul | helix: heh, ok |
| 05:40.50 | helix | rahul: for me, it was watching someone hit /exec -o date over and over again until it was midnight |
| 05:40.52 | rahul | I spent a rowdy evening with family :) |
| 05:41.11 | rahul | helix: me? |
| 05:41.18 | nvz | Microsoft pisses me off, if you arent a billionare you cant keep up.. I can play countless games on the network on my POS under linux |
| 05:41.20 | helix | no |
| 05:41.23 | rahul | I hardly paid attention to the whole new years thing |
| 05:41.47 | rahul | I just got drunk because there was a 5-million-person party happening |
| 05:42.03 | helix | rahul: you got drunk because you always get drunk |
| 05:42.06 | rahul | heh |
| 05:42.07 | peterS | you needed the excuse? |
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| 05:42.11 | Xenocide | nvz: i hardly think its mircrosoft demanding more and more expensive games |
| 05:42.14 | helix | the 4,999,999 people make no difference |
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| 05:42.18 | rahul | helix: well, I got SERIOUSLY drunk for the first time in a while |
| 05:42.27 | helix | rahul: liar |
| 05:42.28 | Penix | s/payed/played/ |
| 05:42.33 | rahul | no, I'm serious |
| 05:42.33 | Xenocide | nvz: its the market. which is keynsian for "you're screwed" |
| 05:42.40 | rahul | I usually stop at 3 beers |
| 05:42.45 | rahul | 5 on the weekends |
| 05:42.46 | Penix | rahul: wuss |
| 05:42.57 | rahul | last night, I thnk I started somewhere around 3 beers |
| 05:42.58 | helix | rahul: and come on irc and type *that* crappy (i'm referring to other days - weekend nights) |
| 05:43.08 | nvz | I just love how M$ says that Longhorn is a "Technology based release" and they arent sure when exactly it will be released.. basically what that means is they wont release it until people all have their wallets ready |
| 05:43.14 | JimButton | last night i had about 9 beers, i think |
| 05:43.15 | helix | rahul: you can't hold your beer |
| 05:43.21 | rahul | helix: that was only one night, so there |
| 05:43.25 | rahul | and that wasn't too bad |
| 05:43.25 | Penix | beer sucks |
| 05:43.27 | JimButton | but counting is hard at times... |
| 05:43.28 | helix | nvz: why are you talking about windows? |
| 05:43.31 | rahul | Penix: no, piss sucks. |
| 05:43.32 | peterS | helix: I think it's a matter of defining 'seriously drunk' |
| 05:43.36 | helix | JimButton: you're a mathematician |
| 05:43.42 | helix | peterS: i guess.. |
| 05:44.00 | nvz | helix: just saying that they force you to keep upgrading your PC and your software or else you cant do anything |
| 05:44.00 | JimButton | helix: you know there are 3 types of mathematicians: those who can count and those who can't... |
| 05:44.11 | rahul | I had something like 5 beers, 3 mixed drinks, a shot of jamesons, and the obligatory champagne toast |
| 05:44.16 | Xenocide | nvz: hurray for the people. in the mean time, server 2k3 was released, saving people millions of dollars. this averages out to a nickel a transaction, typically. |
| 05:44.18 | peterS | JimButton: so you study uncountable sets? |
| 05:44.25 | JimButton | peterS: heh :) |
| 05:44.25 | petroquincy | pish. you don't have to upgrade windows. |
| 05:44.27 | nvz | helix: I am just pissed off that I still own a bunch of games that wont run on this POS that I have right now since all my good PC's died |
| 05:44.30 | peterS | JimButton: or are all sets uncountable after a certain amount of beer? |
| 05:44.31 | Xenocide | nvz: im not sure where that money comes from exactly. |
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| 05:44.36 | helix | nvz: sell them |
| 05:44.38 | JimButton | peterS: i guess so |
| 05:44.38 | petroquincy | just like you don't have to upgrade kde. |
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| 05:44.54 | JimButton | peterS: except the next day one feels like the empty set... |
| 05:45.00 | peterS | JimButton: heh |
| 05:45.02 | helix | hahah |
| 05:45.05 | rahul | petroquincy: you don't have to install either, either :) |
| 05:45.11 | petroquincy | indeed :) |
| 05:45.15 | nvz | oh well I am gone.. *poof* |
| 05:45.18 | JimButton | at last 2003 is over |
| 05:45.21 | rahul | actually, I should install 98 on here for some games |
| 05:45.35 | helix | 2003 was teh suck |
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| 05:45.42 | JimButton | yeah, 2003 was terrible |
| 05:45.43 | tuxillo | Hi there |
| 05:45.44 | rahul | 2003 was good |
| 05:45.46 | tuxillo | I cant find i2c-piix4 anywhere in order to compile it as a module and use lm_sensors |
| 05:45.48 | peterS | it didn't really suck for me. it certainly sucked for a lot of people I know |
| 05:45.49 | tuxillo | sensors-detect detects my chip but I cant load my module i2c-piix4 :(( |
| 05:45.53 | pol | nvz: hmm, the remote computer did fine with the new options in /etc/network/interfaces but now it's not seeing the internet, only the intranet i think |
| 05:46.15 | Penix | as if 2004 is gonna be any better |
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| 05:46.25 | mwilson | You didn't do the gateway correctly, then. |
| 05:46.30 | pol | nvz: ie, i can ssh to that computer at 192.168.0.102, but i can't ping yahoo.com after ssh'ing to remote |
| 05:46.36 | emmajane | I have just finished my first remote install of debian!! |
| 05:46.37 | pol | mwilson: ok |
| 05:46.44 | pol | emmajane: grats |
| 05:46.49 | rahul | Penix: it's one bigger. it has to be better. |
| 05:46.50 | emmajane | pol: thanks :) |
| 05:47.01 | tuxillo | Im using Debian Woody with 2.4.23. lm_sensors version 2.6 |
| 05:47.11 | Penix | rahul: just like Windows 98? |
| 05:47.13 | mavx | emmajane, what was the previos os? |
| 05:47.19 | tuxillo | But I don't know wtf is happening, and I cant find modules |
| 05:47.22 | emmajane | mavx: deadhat |
| 05:47.29 | rahul | Penix: heh |
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| 05:47.43 | emmajane | One million thank yous to Azhram! |
| 05:47.46 | zeeble | is anyone having issues with the latest gkrellm in testing not saving skin info? |
| 05:47.46 | mavx | emmajane: did you follow any particular howtos? |
| 05:47.50 | Eto_Demerzel | hello |
| 05:47.56 | helix | ~greet Eto_Demerzel |
| 05:47.59 | | Hi Eto_Demerzel! |
| 05:47.59 | rahul | Xenocide: expecting something? :P |
| 05:47.59 | emmajane | mavx: It was a combination of two. |
| 05:48.04 | tuxillo | Im very angry :( |
| 05:48.10 | pol | mwilson: doh, i had 192.168.0.101, it should have been 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:48.17 | emmajane | mavx: Karsten's and Azhram's. I'll paste the URLs in a sec |
| 05:48.22 | zeeble | tuxillo wtf. go have an ice cream |
| 05:48.32 | Xenocide | rahul? |
| 05:48.33 | mavx | emmajane, mind sharing? I have a certain server that needs such a makeover :) |
| 05:48.33 | tuxillo | zeeble: xD |
| 05:48.35 | helix | ice cream.. great idea |
| 05:48.38 | mavx | cool... thanks :) |
| 05:48.38 | rahul | Xenocide: /ver |
| 05:48.46 | Xenocide | ah. you said you were running neither |
| 05:48.49 | tuxillo | zeeble: But Im just a bit tired of looking for i2c-piix4 module :( |
| 05:48.50 | emmajane | http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 05:48.53 | Xenocide | curious what the reply would then be |
| 05:48.57 | rahul | Xenocide: oh... ok |
| 05:49.03 | Xenocide | looks like a lisp machine |
| 05:49.07 | rahul | Xenocide: no idea why that would affect my IRC client |
| 05:49.08 | rahul | haha |
| 05:49.15 | emmajane | http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 05:49.19 | rahul | Xenocide: it's a gibberish expression :P |
| 05:49.20 | emmajane | And my notes are at: |
| 05:49.30 | Eto_Demerzel | i am having trouble playing files from launch.com using mplayer (it doesn't support ALSA) and vlc (it doesn't support the video codec), what other programs for linux support Windows Media Player 9 codecs (such as WMV3) |
| 05:49.33 | CodyBailey | ok, we just named two identical machines (hardware wise), marykate and ashley |
| 05:49.34 | Xenocide | rahul: certianly doesn't look like one |
| 05:49.44 | Xenocide | but i dont know lisp well enough |
| 05:50.12 | emmajane | http://xtrinsic.com/geek/config/remoteinstall.txt |
| 05:50.21 | rahul | Xenocide: I _could_ make it a valid one with the appropriate definitoins, of course |
| 05:50.44 | mavx | execellent... thank you |
| 05:50.48 | Xenocide | rahul: and spoil the fun and confusion? |
| 05:50.55 | peterS | rahul: I thought you could only write syntactically valid gibberish in Perl |
| 05:50.58 | Eto_Demerzel | other than vlc and mplayer, what is a good player that supports mms ? |
| 05:50.59 | rahul | Xenocide: why? |
| 05:51.03 | Xenocide | you cant spell the word confusion without the lettes F-U-N! |
| 05:51.04 | rahul | peterS: you thought wrong |
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| 05:51.22 | rahul | peterS: the whole POINT of lisp is that you define your own operators with your own evaluation rules |
| 05:51.22 | emmajane | mavx: let me know how it goes :) |
| 05:51.35 | emmajane | mavx: I'll leave my email in my notes |
| 05:51.40 | rahul | peterS: and you can modify the low-level lexer as well |
| 05:51.50 | peterS | rahul: you can? I know about the operators. |
| 05:51.51 | rahul | peterS: add different characters that invoke your own parsers |
| 05:52.04 | mavx | just have to get X working with this damn nvidia card then that's my next todo item :/ |
| 05:52.11 | peterS | rahul: that's just sick. that's something Larry Wall would come up with for Perl 6, if he hasn't already, and he somewhat has. |
| 05:52.31 | Xenocide | mavx: just a hint, but IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH |
| 05:52.35 | peterS | rahul: it's like FORTRAN letting you redefine '5' to mean something other than 4 + 1. |
| 05:52.36 | rahul | peterS: e.g. there is an infix library that lets you do something like #I"x+y" as a lisp expression and it reads to (+ x y) |
| 05:52.44 | weiye | Hey, I would like to install 2.4.20 kernel on my stable deb apt system? |
| 05:52.51 | mavx | pardon? |
| 05:52.52 | rahul | peterS: no, that's redefining a constant, not redefining how things are parsed |
| 05:53.02 | peterS | rahul: just as useless. is all I'm saying. (: |
| 05:53.07 | rahul | peterS: not at all |
| 05:53.20 | weiye | Hey, How to install 2.4.20 kernel on my stable deb apt system? |
| 05:53.29 | rahul | peterS: it allows you to add any kind of parsing so you can use special syntactic styles in specific contexts |
| 05:53.37 | rahul | peterS: or completely create your own one |
| 05:53.47 | SwooP | happy new year.. ! |
| 05:53.54 | peterS | weiye: I can't remember what is available in stable - but try 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' to see what you can 'apt-get install' |
| 05:54.16 | emmajane | mavx: heh, last time I was here I tried to help someone with nvidia, but my information was old and outdated. |
| 05:54.32 | SwooP | number of zones allocated: 32128 <-- pff.. bind8 get's slow to start up so many zones. :( |
| 05:54.35 | emmajane | mavx: the person I was helping apt-got the latest nvidia packages and was off to the races. |
| 05:54.35 | weiye | peterS: only 2.4.18 found, not 2.4.20 |
| 05:54.44 | mavx | well I havent hit a brick wall... yet. |
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| 05:54.55 | rahul | peterS: you can define [] to delimit some other kind of syntactic context |
| 05:55.06 | rahul | peterS: e.g., you can embed sql directly in the code or something |
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| 05:55.16 | rahul | well, sql is a bad example |
| 05:55.21 | peterS | weiye: in that case I guess you're swimming on your own, more or less. you can try installing kernel images from testing or unstable, but that will require installing and upgrading some other crap. your best bet is probably to download source and compile it yourself with the 'kernel-package' package |
| 05:55.24 | mavx | upgrading to sarge atm ;) |
| 05:55.42 | rahul | peterS: they always read to lisp objects, so they're really just a convenience. but then again so are macros. |
| 05:55.48 | peterS | rahul: indeed, sql is generally just sent (almost) verbatim to a specialised parser |
| 05:56.11 | emmajane | mavx: upgrades never hurt |
| 05:56.15 | weiye | peterS: thanks! |
| 05:56.16 | emmajane | mavx: upgrades rarely hurt? |
| 05:56.21 | mavx | until they do ;) |
| 05:56.34 | rahul | peterS: actually, it's usually done in a lispy syntax in lisp |
| 05:56.40 | peterS | rahul: what's wrong with just building a regular parser ... and stuffing things into data structures? it sounds like overloading the lexer is just about as complex. |
| 05:56.49 | cappicard | heh... my tv tuner card is picking up KCUR 90.5FM on channel 6 |
| 05:56.54 | Xenocide | ive got a unix unspecific question. what's with the "(8)"'s and whatnot in man documentation |
| 05:56.55 | rahul | peterS: but there are special things done to indicate something that's an sql name vs a basic operator of sql |
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| 05:57.04 | JimButton | Xenocide: sections |
| 05:57.07 | rahul | peterS: you can't nest one inside the other then |
| 05:57.07 | peterS | rahul: that's why I said (almost) verbatim. (: |
| 05:57.13 | JimButton | Xenocide: man man describes them |
| 05:57.14 | nevyn | Xenocide: man man |
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| 05:57.25 | rahul | peterS: well, this isn't really verbatim at all, technically |
| 05:57.28 | mavx | which version do you typically run with, emmajane? |
| 05:57.42 | emmajane | mavx: of which? |
| 05:57.43 | Eto_Demerzel | I can play video from launch.com using mplayer with no sound and i can play audio from launch.com with no video using vlc - is there a way i can combine their codecs?? |
| 05:57.49 | mavx | woody, sarge, or sid |
| 05:57.53 | rahul | peterS: actually, I don't exactly remember... I think the [] was to delimit SQL names |
| 05:58.01 | Xenocide | ah. just curious. cuz gooch's boot scripts reference particular programs by section like that |
| 05:58.30 | emmajane | mavx: woody on the new server, sid on my laptop |
| 05:58.33 | peterS | rahul: that would be useful for manually parsing stuff too. at least, in Perl it would be. I don't know much about building lexers or parsers in CL. (I have little enough experience with elisp, and almost none with CL) |
| 05:58.35 | rahul | peterS: you'd do something like (sql:select :from [table] :where [= [field] 5] or something |
| 05:58.45 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 05:59.12 | rahul | peterS: and you could put that within something that was defined as a reader macro from another package |
| 05:59.22 | rahul | peterS: neither has to know about the other, they just nest |
| 06:00.26 | peterS | rahul: it seems (sql:select #'from "table" #'where #'(= "field" 5)) or something like that [apologies if I've messed up the syntax) would be easy enough to parse by hand, without extending the lexer at all |
| 06:00.39 | rahul | meh? |
| 06:00.43 | petroquincy | mad question, but is there a site where you can submit a .config file and download a kernel package in reply? |
| 06:01.05 | rahul | peterS: #' indicates that you're in a function context. it's aready used. |
| 06:01.18 | rahul | peterS: you'll get an error that FROM has no function definition |
| 06:01.28 | peterS | rahul: I already admitted that I was probably messing up the syntax. (: I am more used to elisp |
| 06:01.28 | rahul | peterS: and that = isn't LAMBDA |
| 06:01.43 | rahul | peterS: I'm not sure what you intended. elisp has #' |
| 06:02.05 | rahul | and "field" isn't even a number |
| 06:02.09 | peterS | rahul: my intent was that "from" be just a token - like an enum in C |
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| 06:02.12 | rahul | it's just a string. |
| 06:02.16 | debian | petroquincy: no, but you can make your own deb out of the kernel source |
| 06:02.29 | emmajane | mavx: I don't really keep up-to-date on packages though. |
| 06:02.45 | emmajane | mavx: some i do (like browsers), but not everything. |
| 06:02.47 | peterS | rahul: and I didn't know what to do with "=" there - again I just wanted it to be a token |
| 06:02.49 | rahul | peterS: quoted? :from is actually in the keyword package, all of whose symbols are self-evaluating |
| 06:03.14 | peterS | rahul: oh, ok. so : is the operator I was looking for rather than #' ? |
| 06:03.15 | petroquincy | debian: i know.. it's just that it takes so long to compile on this laptop. |
| 06:03.20 | rahul | peterS: I think the expressions in commonsql actually parse to lists of some objects or something |
| 06:03.26 | rahul | peterS: it doesn't apply to lists, tho |
| 06:03.32 | rahul | peterS: possibly ' |
| 06:03.50 | rahul | peterS: in any case, the :from is there because that's the syntax of the select operator |
| 06:03.53 | peterS | rahul: in elisp I would have said ' but for some reason I thought CL used #' for that |
| 06:04.01 | rahul | select (&key from) |
| 06:04.13 | rahul | peterS: CL uses #' for the same thing as elisp does |
| 06:04.26 | rahul | peterS: it's just that lists aren't functions in CL |
| 06:04.31 | peterS | hmmmm. my point is that I don't see how a custom lexer is any easier to put together than just using something that's syntactically valid already, and parsing it as a regular sexp |
| 06:04.50 | rahul | you can't (funcall '(lambda ...)). it prevents the compiler from doing its thing. |
| 06:05.09 | weiye | Any one sucessfully upgraded kernel to 2.4.18 on laptop? |
| 06:05.16 | rahul | peterS: because you don't want lisp's parsing rules in this case |
| 06:05.22 | mavx | emmajane: I see :) |
| 06:05.23 | rahul | peterS: it'll upcase the symbol names |
| 06:05.28 | peterS | rahul: but I'm sure you know this stuff a lot better than I do and can *feel*, if not explain, why the one is easier to do than the other |
| 06:05.35 | rahul | peterS: also, it'll create symbols for them |
| 06:05.57 | peterS | rahul: the symbol names, in the case of SQL, *can* be upcased - SQL is case-independent. for things like table and field names, you'd naturally use strings instead of symbols |
| 06:06.05 | rahul | ah, true |
| 06:06.28 | rahul | peterS: well, you don't want to have to deal with having a mess of syntactic characters you have to use |
| 06:06.42 | rahul | just use [] to indicate something that's going to be interpreted in the sql context |
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| 06:06.54 | peterS | rahul: sounds like you did the same thing in your example with : and so forth. you didn't exactly write raw sql either. |
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| 06:07.12 | peterS | rahul: [] versus "" doesn't seem like a big difference. |
| 06:07.23 | rahul | peterS: : is part of the normal lisp syntax |
| 06:07.34 | rahul | peterS: it's a question of simplicity |
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| 06:07.44 | debian | !debianstrike rahul |
| 06:07.45 | dpkg | ~penixstrike rahul |
| 06:07.48 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:07.48 | rahul | and consistency. if it's for sql, you use the sql delimiters |
| 06:07.50 | rahul | heh |
| 06:07.51 | sussudio | ~kawfeestrike debian |
| 06:08.00 | sussudio | apt: you're useless |
| 06:08.02 | | ACTION starts crying and hides in the darkest corner of the room:( |
| 06:08.10 | debian | sussudio: is debstat still down? |
| 06:08.12 | sussudio | !kawfeestrike debian |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit debian, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
| 06:08.18 | sussudio | debian: down? |
| 06:08.23 | peterS | rahul: well, if what you wrote is valid s-expression syntax other than the [] chars, I just don't see how it's an improvement over the same thing with "" instead, which would be valid s-expressions without any custom lexer |
| 06:08.29 | brq22 | grub isn't recognizing the drive on the onbaord promise controller! |
| 06:08.39 | debian | sussudio: oh it's up again. :) |
| 06:08.40 | rahul | peterS: it expresses what you're thinking |
| 06:08.40 | JimButton | what the fuck is a "kawfee"? |
| 06:08.46 | sussudio | ~kawfee |
| 06:08.47 | | i have that with my brioches in the morning |
| 06:08.55 | rahul | peterS: you're not thinking about sending a string. you're thinking about sql info and lisp info |
| 06:08.56 | JimButton | oh :) |
| 06:08.57 | peterS | JimButton: it's similar to a Penix. just someone's nick |
| 06:09.04 | brq22 | what can I pass to grub to get it to look in the right place? |
| 06:09.14 | sussudio | debian: it was down how? |
| 06:09.21 | mavx | emmajane: your notes look very nice, I think the only difference for me will be grub instead of lilo |
| 06:09.24 | debian | sussudio: it's up now |
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| 06:09.59 | sussudio | debian: i can't see how it was down, maybe dyndns was. |
| 06:10.02 | peterS | rahul: well, maybe there are advantages to separating out the syntax by using [] for identifiers. I just don't see it. no doubt you've done this sort of thing a lot more than I have |
| 06:10.23 | rahul | peterS: it's just a question of mapping better to what you're thinking |
| 06:10.31 | rahul | peterS: it's like the reason you'd use first instead of car |
| 06:10.38 | rahul | or null instead of not |
| 06:10.48 | peterS | rahul: what does first do? |
| 06:10.48 | emmajane | mavx: thanks :) |
| 06:10.55 | brq22 | ahhhh |
| 06:10.57 | sussudio | rahul: how's the hangover? |
| 06:10.58 | brq22 | curse |
| 06:11.01 | emmajane | I excel at copying and pastying |
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| 06:11.10 | peterS | emmajane: pastying? |
| 06:11.11 | rahul | sussudio: gone, basically. now I'm just tired |
| 06:11.15 | rahul | peterS: same thing as car |
| 06:11.24 | helix | peterS: i think it's the act of becoming the color of my skin |
| 06:11.27 | peterS | rahul: ah. is there also a 'rest' macro that means cdr? |
| 06:11.32 | emmajane | peterS: you know, I typoed, erased it and then decided I liked the typo and put it back in. :) |
| 06:11.32 | peterS | helix: hehe |
| 06:11.34 | rahul | peterS: it just has a more descriptive meaning to the reader indicating that you're referring to lists |
| 06:11.37 | peterS | emmajane: heh |
| 06:11.46 | rahul | peterS: well, it's a function, not a macro, but yes |
| 06:11.57 | rahul | peterS: a macro is really only used when you need to change the evaluation rules |
| 06:11.59 | peterS | rahul: what else would 'car' refer to, other than a list? and don't tell me an alist atom (: |
| 06:12.16 | rahul | peterS: it refers to getting the car cell of a cons |
| 06:12.20 | Knub | whats the command for shutdown? |
| 06:12.25 | rahul | peterS: as opposed to the first element of a list |
| 06:12.26 | JimButton | Knub: shutdown |
| 06:12.34 | rahul | peterS: it's a question of usage |
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| 06:12.52 | debian | sussudio: it was down like a whole day |
| 06:12.58 | peterS | rahul: right, ok. I always figured car was pretty unambiguous. I mean, *I* know what it does - surely real lisp hackers do (: |
| 06:13.00 | rahul | peterS: instead of saying "; this is a list", we just say "first" |
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| 06:13.18 | peterS | "my other car is a first" |
| 06:13.27 | rahul | peterS: it unambiguously means that you're not treating the cons as a list |
| 06:13.31 | rahul | peterS: :) |
| 06:13.32 | peterS | (variant on "my other car is a cdr") |
| 06:13.40 | Knub | JimButton:shutdown doesn't work |
| 06:13.46 | rahul | I'm quite familiar :) |
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| 06:13.56 | Eto_Demerzel | hi again |
| 06:13.57 | JimButton | Knub: well, that can have 257 reasons |
| 06:14.12 | Eto_Demerzel | can i have both ALSA and OSS installed at the same time?? |
| 06:14.28 | peterS | rahul: I never really got to the point of lisp sophistication where I treated conses as anything other than lists. (: sure, I know you *can* have a two-scalar cons.. |
| 06:14.28 | rahul | Eto_Demerzel: yes |
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| 06:14.42 | Eto_Demerzel | rahul thank you :) |
| 06:14.43 | rahul | peterS: it's a REALLY optimized data structure |
| 06:14.52 | rahul | peterS: no storage overhead in most implementations. |
| 06:14.54 | Penix | Eto_Demerzel: why would you want to do that. use ALSA's OSS emulation |
| 06:15.00 | peterS | rahul: indeed. I think I've used conses for two-element things before ... just not often |
| 06:15.53 | rahul | peterS: two-branching trees |
| 06:16.03 | rahul | 2-ary? |
| 06:16.14 | peterS | rahul: ah - like binary trees and such. you can't store a value at the node in that case, though |
| 06:16.25 | rahul | peterS: right. that's why I didn't say "binary" :) |
| 06:17.09 | peterS | rahul: is "associative list" (alist) a CL concept, or do those just appear in elisp? |
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| 06:17.25 | rahul | peterS: it's one of the oldest lisp concepts |
| 06:17.32 | rahul | probably older than numbers :) |
| 06:17.36 | peterS | rahul: I figured it must be |
| 06:17.56 | peterS | rahul: that's I guess the best example of using cons cells for things other than lists |
| 06:18.00 | rahul | actually, maybe plists were older |
| 06:18.05 | peterS | plists? |
| 06:18.17 | rahul | property lists: (key val key val ...) |
| 06:18.23 | peterS | ah right |
| 06:19.24 | xsdg | anyone here used ndiswrapper with Intel PRO/Wireless Lan? |
| 06:20.00 | peterS | I think I have a new corollary to the corollary to godwin's law. The corollary is about LISP mentioned in a discussion on programming languages. the corollary to that is LISP being discussed on an IRC channel. tends to drive out all other discussion (: |
| 06:20.09 | mosty | xsdg, the centrino wireless chip? i know someone who has |
| 06:20.28 | xsdg | mosty: hrm... (s)he use IRC? :o) |
| 06:20.38 | Knub | how do i execute a binary file/ |
| 06:20.50 | peterS | Knub: put its directory in your path and type its name. |
| 06:21.04 | mosty | xsdg, nope. can't be that tough, they're not that clever |
| 06:21.05 | peterS | Knub: alternatively, refer to its name by an absolute or relative path (something containing at least one '/' character) |
| 06:21.15 | peterS | Knub: in both cases, the executable must have the execute permission bit set |
| 06:21.39 | Knub | peterS: i don't understand |
| 06:21.50 | peterS | Knub: what are you trying to do here, exactly? |
| 06:22.11 | emmajane | night1 |
| 06:22.12 | emmajane | night! |
| 06:22.18 | xsdg | mosty: got it, I think |
| 06:22.20 | Knub | peterS: i am trying to install the file at http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.0-0261/NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0261.tar.gz |
| 06:22.30 | xsdg | mosty: I'll tell you for sure once I go turn the antenna on |
| 06:22.47 | peterS | Knub: ok ... so what do the directions say to do? I'm not gonna download that tarball just to see |
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| 06:23.15 | rahul | peterS: er, godwin's law is that the one who brings up hitler has lost the argument by default |
| 06:23.19 | peterS | Knub: first off, that's not going to be an executable, it's a file archive. you have to extract the files in it, *then* follow other directions |
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| 06:23.27 | Knub | peterS: ok |
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| 06:23.37 | rahul | Knub: um.... |
| 06:23.40 | peterS | rahul: yes. mentioning LISP in a discussion of programming languages, according to Chris Browne at least, has the same meaning. |
| 06:23.45 | rahul | Knub: why don't you use the drivers packaged in debian? |
| 06:23.46 | cromd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.09 | rahul | peterS: well, if they type it "LISP", they probably have :) |
| 06:24.11 | Knub | rahul: the drivers in DEBIAN doesn't support up to GeForce4 |
| 06:24.25 | rahul | Knub: they're the same as the drivers from nvidia |
| 06:24.26 | mosty | cromd: i believe so |
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| 06:24.31 | mavx | Knub, welcome to my world |
| 06:24.32 | peterS | rahul: is that old-school, then? like saying FORTRAN instead of Fortran? |
| 06:24.39 | rahul | peterS: no, it's a typo |
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| 06:25.02 | cromd | thanks mosty, i've done something wrong, but i just want to make sure that i'm trying something that's actually possible :) |
| 06:25.02 | rahul | peterS: in both cases |
| 06:25.13 | Justin_ | Knub: the exact opposite of what you said is true; |
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| 06:25.23 | rahul | peterS: neither word is an acronym |
| 06:25.32 | peterS | rahul: nah. at one time those were both considered acronyms that should be rendered in all-caps. most probably, they no longer are |
| 06:25.32 | Lazbien | Hey all, am having some problems. On a base install, I set up a static ip for my box - and now can't resolve to hostnames, only ips. How do I add nameservers to my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:25.35 | rahul | peterS: they're small-caps |
| 06:25.44 | peterS | rahul: I don't have small-caps on this irc client, sorry |
| 06:25.47 | rahul | peterS: lowercase small-caps are not uppercase characters :) |
| 06:25.52 | Eto_Demerzel | bye all |
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| 06:26.02 | peterS | rahul: should I type in html, then? |
| 06:26.03 | rahul | peterS: right, that's the reason people mistakenly capitalized it |
| 06:26.05 | rahul | heh |
| 06:26.11 | rahul | peterS: "Lisp" "Fortran" |
| 06:26.29 | rahul | (which is how you'd do it inside the html anyway) |
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| 06:26.45 | peterS | rahul: typographically, when you don't have access to small caps, I believe the correct thing to do is write in all-caps. just like when you don't have access to italics you underline |
| 06:26.58 | rahul | peterS: nope |
| 06:27.25 | rahul | note that underlining is something NEW |
| 06:27.33 | rahul | not something that has pre-existing meaning. |
| 06:27.35 | cromd | but they're only arbitrary modes of presentation ... bottom line is, do you communicate the concept you intended to? |
| 06:27.56 | peterS | rahul: and if you have to write an E that sits a couple of points below the baseline, particularly if it's preceded by a T and followed by an X, you just use lowercase. |
| 06:27.57 | rahul | cromd: the concept is that the word is an acronym, which it's not |
| 06:28.11 | rahul | peterS: well, that's a convention used for that specific case |
| 06:28.15 | peterS | rahul: heh, I know |
| 06:28.57 | rahul | peterS: you can type something that would be italicized with no formatting by just not italicizing it |
| 06:29.12 | rahul | peterS: same with small caps |
| 06:29.14 | JimButton | wasn't it called "Lithp"? |
| 06:29.19 | JimButton | ... |
| 06:29.27 | rahul | JimButton: only by those who used it :) |
| 06:29.28 | peterS | rahul: but if you intend to impart italics, and you've got a manual typewriter, the correct thing to do is underline it. |
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| 06:29.45 | peterS | rahul: not that anyone has manual typewriters anymore, so this point is basically historical |
| 06:29.58 | rahul | peterS: no, the correct thing to do is change to the italic hammers ;) |
| 06:30.04 | JimButton | rahul: at least fortune -m LITHP has it... |
| 06:30.07 | peterS | rahul: oh, right. |
| 06:30.22 | peterS | rahul: or, if it's an IBM Selectric, you change the print head |
| 06:30.28 | Knub | how do i check for the BusID of my graphic card? |
| 06:30.40 | peterS | Knub: you almost certainly don't have to worry about it. leave the field blank |
| 06:30.49 | nevyn | Knub: do you have more than one? |
| 06:30.55 | peterS | Knub: but if you have multiple cards of the same brand, you can use 'lspci' to list the IDs |
| 06:30.56 | Knub | nevyn: no |
| 06:31.03 | JimButton | i like "the lesser known programming languages" |
| 06:31.07 | nevyn | Knub: are you on a non x86 platform? |
| 06:31.33 | nevyn | JimButton: ruby's nice |
| 06:31.41 | rahul | Knub: did you read the message on the screen? |
| 06:31.42 | JimButton | nevyn: no, i mean the fortunes |
| 06:32.08 | peterS | Knub: the main reason to use bus IDs is the specify which of two or more similar cards you want to configure for a particular function. if you don't have two cards, it doesn't matter - the software should have no trouble finding your card in any case |
| 06:32.08 | rahul | ruby almost copied lisp's OO and condition system. |
| 06:32.14 | rahul | too bad they didn't finish the job |
| 06:32.26 | nevyn | indeed |
| 06:32.28 | rahul | actually, I forget if they did the condition system |
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| 06:32.43 | peterS | rahul: I've heard from other lisp fanatics that programming languages tend to acquire lisp-like features as the evolve, until they converge into lisp (: |
| 06:32.43 | nevyn | it's got some funky syntactic suger tho.. |
| 06:32.43 | Knub | nevyn: im using p4 |
| 06:32.46 | rahul | it's rather trivial, tho |
| 06:33.00 | nevyn | 5.times |i| {do stuff} |
| 06:33.09 | rahul | peterS: well, that's what lisp is all about. being able to acquire features |
| 06:33.19 | rahul | peterS: that's actually greenspun's tenth law |
| 06:33.24 | peterS | is it? |
| 06:33.25 | JimButton | nevyn: like "SLOBOL is best known for the speed, or lack of it, of its compiler. Although many compilers allow you to take a coffee break while they compile, SLOBOL compilers allow you to travel to Bolivia to pick the coffee." |
| 06:33.27 | nevyn | Knub: you don't need to worry about it leave the field blank |
| 06:33.52 | rahul | peterS: although that adds the fact that the other languges do it ad-hoc, buggily, and slowly |
| 06:33.52 | hairy_potter | ~test |
| 06:33.54 | | Passed |
| 06:33.58 | hairy_potter | ok |
| 06:34.02 | Knub | when i try to use startx, i get X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown), how do i slove this? |
| 06:34.15 | hairy_potter | what is slove? secure love? |
| 06:34.18 | Knub | *slove |
| 06:34.22 | rahul | Knub: start it using just "X" and then read the log: /var/log/XF* |
| 06:34.22 | Knub | *solve |
| 06:34.26 | JimButton | ~moo |
| 06:34.28 | | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 06:34.53 | peterS | rahul: I seem to remember a corollary about complex programs evolving their own extension languages until they basically have lisp interpreters |
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| 06:35.31 | rahul | peterS: lisp the archetypical extension language language, so yes |
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| 06:35.50 | rahul | "Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language." |
| 06:35.51 | Knub | it says (--) Assigning device section with no BusID to primary device, (EE) no devices detected, Fatal server error, No screens found |
| 06:36.03 | rahul | Knub: read the log to see why |
| 06:36.27 | rahul | the first message means that it's working correctly |
| 06:36.33 | peterS | Knub: sounds like your driver doesn't support your chip. I could be wrong, not enough log here to say for sure |
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| 06:36.49 | xerophyte | bob2 can i message you .. its not about linux ;) |
| 06:36.57 | rahul | sometimes that happens if you lie when it asks about using fbdev for mode switching |
| 06:37.14 | hairy_potter | xerophyte: you can. but if you 'may' or 'may' not depends on bob2 |
| 06:37.22 | rahul | peterS: that above is a reference to another read-macro which lets you enter expressions which are impossible to enter otherwise |
| 06:37.34 | peterS | rahul: I figured as much (: |
| 06:37.35 | rahul | peterS: it allows you to have backreferences |
| 06:37.50 | peterS | hairy_potter: he can't, actually. bob2 only takes msgs from identified users |
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| 06:38.02 | rahul | #1= means that the expression to follow will be remembered as number 1, and #1# is read as a reference to number 1 |
| 06:38.09 | peterS | hairy_potter: at least that was the case way back in 2003 |
| 06:38.10 | hairy_potter | peterS: ic |
| 06:38.51 | peterS | rahul: hmmmm ... is that a one-element circular list, or something, then? |
| 06:38.56 | rahul | peterS: yep |
| 06:39.18 | rahul | peterS: if you print it out naively, it'll print "programmable" over and over again |
| 06:39.32 | rahul | hairy_potter: no, it's the name Buddha gave to his son |
| 06:39.36 | rahul | peterS: heh |
| 06:39.47 | hairy_potter | rahul: buddha, son? |
| 06:39.53 | rahul | yeah... |
| 06:39.55 | hairy_potter | rahul: i thought he was unmarried |
| 06:40.02 | rahul | hairy_potter: most definitely not |
| 06:40.25 | rahul | he married and had a child because he had a responsibility to his family to continue the royal line |
| 06:40.52 | peterS | really? I never heard that |
| 06:40.52 | snipers | =.= |
| 06:40.53 | rahul | soon after, he abdicated the throne and went into the forest to study life |
| 06:40.59 | hairy_potter | rahul: is this some version of a bollywood movie |
| 06:41.00 | snipers | common sense |
| 06:41.03 | rahul | um |
| 06:41.27 | rahul | @penixstrike hairy_potter |
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| 06:41.43 | rahul | hmm, sussudio came back, but not ravenbird |
| 06:41.46 | sussudio | !penixstrike hairy_potter |
| 06:41.47 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 06:41.49 | rahul | sussudio: you tool |
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| 06:42.01 | sussudio | ~penixstrike hairy_potter |
| 06:42.04 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hairy_potter to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:42.09 | rahul | :O |
| 06:42.14 | Penix | ~srt sprintf() |
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| 06:42.28 | hairy_potter | rahul: thats okay. it was someone who looked like me on whom it fell... |
| 06:42.30 | snipers | k |
| 06:42.31 | rahul | didn't realize apt had the unary version of it too |
| 06:42.41 | rahul | hairy_potter: heh |
| 06:42.46 | sussudio | apt is on crack |
| 06:42.48 | | No, I'm not! |
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| 06:42.48 | rahul | hairy_potter: you can't fool apt! |
| 06:43.02 | hairy_potter | ~crack |
| 06:43.03 | | ACTION thinks the party is getting out of hand |
| 06:43.04 | peterS | hairy_potter: "on whom it fell" - you should be some sort of *striken just for that |
| 06:43.29 | sussudio | ~whores |
| 06:43.32 | Knub | the log says (EE) No devices detected |
| 06:43.35 | rahul | maybe he doesn't like germans |
| 06:43.41 | Knub | Fatal server errors |
| 06:43.44 | rahul | Knub: and it also says why |
| 06:43.46 | JimButton | ~blinkenlights |
| 06:43.48 | | extra, extra, read all about it, blinkenlights is see blinkenlichten |
| 06:43.48 | helix | oh no! |
| 06:43.49 | Knub | it doesnt |
| 06:43.55 | JimButton | ~blinkenlichten |
| 06:43.57 | | ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mitspitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und wachten das blinkenlichten. |
| 06:43.57 | rahul | Knub: indeed it does |
| 06:43.57 | peterS | Knub: what driver are you using? just the 'xserver-xfree86' from Debian unstable? |
| 06:44.05 | helix | bah |
| 06:44.07 | helix | german |
| 06:44.07 | peterS | JimButton: cool |
| 06:44.13 | peterS | helix: no. fake german. read closer |
| 06:44.22 | Knub | peterS: i am using xserver.xfree86 |
| 06:44.25 | rahul | I like gefingerpoken |
| 06:44.25 | JimButton | helix: yeah, very fake :) |
| 06:44.30 | Knub | peterS: i am using xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:44.37 | helix | aren't some of those words real though? |
| 06:44.41 | Penix | irc + 3d glasses is not good |
| 06:44.49 | peterS | helix: some of them, yes |
| 06:45.01 | sussudio | Penix: wtf channels are you on that you need 3d glasses? |
| 06:45.03 | rahul | many are real words used incorrectly |
| 06:45.04 | peterS | helix: but all in all it's just supposed to look and sound like German, to English speakers. pretty funny if you read it out loud |
| 06:45.07 | rahul | false cognates |
| 06:45.09 | Penix | sussudio: #gamp |
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| 06:45.26 | sussudio | Penix: midgets are only 2D. |
| 06:45.30 | rahul | e.g., bei |
| 06:45.40 | Penix | sussudio: maybe yours are |
| 06:45.49 | snipers | k |
| 06:45.59 | peterS | helix: ok then, you can keepen das cottenpicken hans in das pockets, then |
| 06:46.00 | helix | btw, my hummus kicks ass |
| 06:46.10 | helix | peterS: that sucked |
| 06:46.14 | rahul | your hummus is anti-german |
| 06:46.24 | peterS | helix: just quoting |
| 06:46.25 | JimButton | helix: you are probably an arabic terrorist then... |
| 06:46.42 | rahul | JimButton: heh |
| 06:46.56 | JimButton | helix: osama bin laden eats hummus, too... |
| 06:47.04 | rahul | but lets not get into the merits of that comparison |
| 06:47.05 | helix | JimButton: everyone eats hummus |
| 06:47.20 | sussudio | hummus, compost, same thing. |
| 06:47.23 | rahul | oh, I thought it was the german thing and hitler and all |
| 06:47.23 | JimButton | i am just testing variants of godwin's law... |
| 06:47.36 | debian | JimButton: great, you just set off at least one carnivore system. :) |
| 06:47.37 | peterS | yeah. "everybody must get stoned", too |
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| 06:47.52 | helix | ok ok |
| 06:47.52 | JimButton | helix: oh no, the real american would never eat something without meat and sugar |
| 06:47.53 | farmboy | In the default install of debian (woody) is there any graphical desktop that are already installed? |
| 06:48.03 | peterS | JimButton: and preservatives |
| 06:48.05 | rahul | JimButton: AND? |
| 06:48.08 | snipers | viva |
| 06:48.10 | JimButton | rahul: ehm, OR |
| 06:48.11 | JimButton | ok |
| 06:48.14 | rahul | that's a bit british, actually :) |
| 06:48.22 | mosty | farmboy: who cares? install whichever you like |
| 06:48.24 | helix | {everyone | everyone = people of different ethnicities} |
| 06:48.34 | helix | JimButton: bleh! |
| 06:48.47 | rahul | farmboy: which default? |
| 06:48.48 | farmboy | apt-get does not work right now, right? |
| 06:48.48 | mosty | farmboy: you'll need an unofficial source if you want kde in woody |
| 06:48.50 | debian | helix: you compensate the lacking of meat in your diet by massive amount of suger dosage |
| 06:48.52 | rahul | farmboy: and whose default? |
| 06:48.56 | rahul | mosty: eh? |
| 06:48.57 | helix | debian: do not |
| 06:49.02 | rahul | ~find kde woody |
| 06:49.11 | helix | debian: sugar's not vegan usually ;P |
| 06:49.18 | JimButton | rahul: when i was in britain and saw that black pudding stuff, i had to think of nethack... |
| 06:49.19 | rahul | mosty: you're thinking of potato :) |
| 06:49.22 | peterS | helix: just eat beets directly (: |
| 06:49.27 | rahul | JimButton: heh |
| 06:49.28 | JimButton | rahul: i always fear it will attack me |
| 06:49.30 | helix | bleh bleh bleh |
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| 06:49.35 | rahul | JimButton: you geek |
| 06:49.36 | peterS | helix: heh, I know |
| 06:49.47 | JimButton | it looks disgusting though |
| 06:49.48 | snipers | blah blah blah |
| 06:49.51 | debian | helix: you sound like a vegetarian by religion to me. :) |
| 06:49.52 | mavx | Knub, are you still messing with your video card? |
| 06:49.52 | JimButton | even without nethack i would not touch it |
| 06:50.01 | helix | debian: i was making a bit of a joke :) |
| 06:50.20 | mosty | rahul, hmm, last time i looked woody didn't have any of the few kde programs i ever use. i figured it didn't have kde :/ |
| 06:50.40 | rahul | mosty: strange |
| 06:51.11 | JimButton | mosty: woody most definitely has KDE |
| 06:51.26 | JimButton | mosty: i am running KDE on woody here... |
| 06:51.28 | mosty | shows how many kde programs i use then |
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| 06:53.55 | snipers | woody -> phase out |
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| 06:54.19 | farmboy | what the apt get command I use to uinstall KDE desktop |
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| 06:54.52 | [stephen] | im having problems getting X to work with my radeon, it worked fine when i tried the experimental 4.3 release, but i only want to stick with stuff in testing... can i use X with just a limited 'generic' svga driver or something? |
| 06:55.22 | peterS | [stephen]: you can try your luck with the 'vesa' driver |
| 06:55.23 | mosty | stephen, the vesa driver, yes i think so but it's a lot slower |
| 06:55.43 | snipers | XF86Config-4? |
| 06:55.44 | peterS | [stephen]: or, compile radeonfb into your kernel and use the 'fb' driver, I guess |
| 06:56.00 | peterS | [stephen]: neither is a particularly ideal solution, as they will be mostly unaccelerated |
| 06:56.01 | rahul | [stephen]: try the fglrx drivers |
| 06:56.15 | rahul | (ati's proprietary ones) |
| 06:56.24 | [stephen] | i dont really care to have it accelerated, i dont have any games nor want any now |
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| 06:56.27 | rahul | you can alien the RPM and go from there |
| 06:56.38 | rahul | [stephen]: it won't even accelerate the 2d |
| 06:56.40 | De_Mon | i want to add commands to ~/.xsession without having to specify a windowmanager, but if I dont include one X shuts down |
| 06:56.49 | [stephen] | its a 2.4 ghz machine heh |
| 06:56.54 | rahul | drawing a line will involve setting each pixel |
| 06:57.03 | rahul | [stephen]: all the more reason that it'll hit performance |
| 06:57.13 | peterS | rahul: I think the fb driver will at least have 2d accel, if the kernel radeonfb driver works with his chip. don't quote me on that. vesa won't be accelerated, though |
| 06:57.18 | rahul | [stephen]: it's PCI speed, not CPU speed |
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| 06:57.34 | Justin_ | what is wrong with just using Xfree86 4.3? |
| 06:57.36 | rahul | peterS: fb just writes the pixels to the kernel's framebuffer interface |
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| 06:57.52 | peterS | rahul: I thought fb had a 2d accel API as well ... I could be wrong |
| 06:58.00 | rahul | peterS: it's even less accelerated than vesa, is my guess |
| 06:58.05 | rahul | peterS: hmmm.. that's possible |
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| 06:58.27 | peterS | rahul: certainly, calling it a "frame buffer" implies that it doesn't do anything other than bitblit |
| 06:58.58 | rahul | the term "bitblit" is very strange |
| 06:59.07 | rahul | it's really BLT, block transfer |
| 06:59.21 | peterS | yeah, true. I guess I was just making it more pronounceable |
| 07:00.09 | rahul | the "bit" part is irrelevant, too |
| 07:00.12 | peterS | what I meant was, moving rectangles of pixels onto the frame buffer. but you knew that |
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| 07:00.22 | rahul | yeah, just commenting on the word itself |
| 07:00.30 | rahul | I've seen it used before |
| 07:01.55 | snipers | ... |
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| 07:03.07 | paulproteuss | What's the ogg Vorbis encoder called? |
| 07:03.11 | rahul | oggenc |
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| 07:04.23 | paulproteuss | Thanks, rahul :) |
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| 07:05.03 | De_Mon | does putting anything in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession prevent /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager from loading or is it my imagination? |
| 07:05.44 | peterS | De_Mon: no, it's for real. you have to run the window manager, or session manager, yourself if you have a script |
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| 07:06.16 | peterS | De_Mon: (I think most session managers do invoke a window manager, which is why I said "or") |
| 07:06.27 | nt0x | muahahaha |
| 07:06.38 | nt0x | o.O |
| 07:06.48 | nt0x | well, with alot of thanks to all of you |
| 07:06.52 | nt0x | =) |
| 07:07.14 | cyberkni | Does anyone have a suggestion for some simple backup software(preferably one in .deb form)? I have a OnStream drive so it needs to be a solution that handles tape. any suggestions? |
| 07:07.20 | rahul | De_Mon: look at /etc/X11 for the default xinitrc and xsession scripts |
| 07:07.26 | arauko | hi, im using rsync to transfer a file, it resumes fine, but then when i start the program for second time, it starts writing in other file, ideas? |
| 07:07.28 | rahul | cyberkni: tar |
| 07:07.42 | De_Mon | peterS is there someplace X wants me to put these extra commands (xwit and xset crap) that wolnt require me specify a wm/session manager |
| 07:07.42 | rahul | "tape archive" |
| 07:08.04 | De_Mon | i could have swore they were happily living in .xsession till one day X just stoped loading ^_^ |
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| 07:08.23 | peterS | De_Mon: not that I know of, unfortunately. it would be nice if it would just source a script, ~/.gnomesessionrc or whatever, but last I checked there wasn't anything like that |
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| 07:08.32 | rahul | De_Mon: why not exec the system-wide default xsession script at the end of yours? |
| 07:08.39 | cyberkni | rahul: heh. ok. I overlook the obvious. |
| 07:09.04 | peterS | rahul: that can be done, but it would still be nice not to tie your home directory to such an implementation-dependent thing. in case you share it with non-Debian boxes, you know |
| 07:09.33 | De_Mon | rahul /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
| 07:10.22 | De_Mon | no not that, -looks for the real thing- |
| 07:10.40 | xmas-Dave | Any rp-pppoe users here, that have problems with reconnecting? |
| 07:10.44 | nt0x | btw: I was the idiot who couldnt get the D-Link DE220P (ISA) card working, but as it turns out, all I needed was the D-Link setup utility to remove the cards PnP feature, change around the port address to 0x240 and viola! (also the kernel upgrade to 2.4.23 might have helped to) Thanks Guys, Whomever helped. |
| 07:11.10 | sussudio | ~tell xmas-Dave about polls |
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| 07:11.48 | mechan0r | is there a bluecurve theme for debian |
| 07:12.20 | xmas-Dave | Yeah, probably a stupid idea to ask if people are having the same problems that I am... |
| 07:13.06 | rahul | De_Mon: yes, thats it |
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| 07:13.33 | rahul | peterS: well, I guess... |
| 07:14.12 | De_Mon | rahul actually that wasnt it, the default x-window-manager is /usr/bin/x-window-manager which in turn points to /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager.. ahhh the joys of linux computing |
| 07:15.31 | De_Mon | lesser men would have reformatted to fix this stupid .xsession error im sure |
| 07:15.50 | peterS | De_Mon: don't you feel like a real hax0r now? (: |
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| 07:16.59 | rahul | De_Mon: no, that script calls that WM |
| 07:17.00 | streuner | peterS: how was vacation? |
| 07:17.09 | [stephen] | anyone know of a good HTML editor for X besides bluefish? |
| 07:17.10 | peterS | streuner: nice, but irc-starved (: |
| 07:17.19 | De_Mon | with c00l sp33k and Ev3rything |
| 07:17.30 | rahul | De_Mon: and it does the rest of the stuff that you would expect to be done when starting X |
| 07:17.34 | peterS | [stephen]: be prepared for an onslaught of "just use vim" and "just use xemacs" (: |
| 07:17.44 | rahul | peterS: what about just use emacs :) |
| 07:17.45 | streuner | [stephen]: mozilla's composer |
| 07:17.51 | peterS | rahul: that too |
| 07:17.59 | rahul | (x)emacs actually has some nice support for SGML |
| 07:18.10 | [stephen] | i use vim for coding, i guess i could use it for HTML :) i just dont feel like typing |
| 07:18.14 | protoloco | Hey i have deleted the file of /var/log/snort/alert and , i dont know if snort will still saving something in there, i have created the file .. but i dont see that is saving the alerts.. |
| 07:18.19 | rahul | it knows about what should be where, etc |
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| 07:18.32 | peterS | rahul: well, I find the sgml modes cumbersome, so I avoid using the features |
| 07:18.36 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it can also hide tags... which is nice... |
| 07:18.39 | rahul | peterS: really? |
| 07:18.54 | rahul | dondelelcaro: well, it can do that in all modes |
| 07:19.07 | De_Mon | rahul hmmm |
| 07:19.08 | peterS | rahul: I particularly don't like how it thinks I should indent my html. and I've never bothered learning most of the other features, so they just get in the way too |
| 07:19.30 | rahul | peterS: it thinks you should indent it by indenting the insides of tags... |
| 07:19.33 | peterS | rahul: I'm of the html school of thought that not *every* level of nested tags needs its own indent level. emacs, of course, knows better than me |
| 07:19.55 | rahul | peterS: that just makes it that much harder to read and examine the html |
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| 07:20.12 | rahul | peterS: but not being a lisp programmer, you probably don't have your mind tuned to ignore delimiters :) |
| 07:20.35 | peterS | rahul: oh come on. like I'm supposed to really want everything between <html> and </html>, or <body> / </body> for that matter, to be indented? that does *not* improve readability. it just shifts things over to the right. |
| 07:20.50 | rahul | peterS: it shows the nesting visually |
| 07:20.58 | rahul | you can see where you are |
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| 07:21.23 | peterS | rahul: my point is that with those particular tags, it's useless. I *know* everything is already enclosed inside a <html> and <body>. it's not a point I ever get confused on. |
| 07:21.26 | rahul | you're only indenting 2 spaces anyway |
| 07:21.39 | rahul | 4 total |
| 07:21.54 | peterS | rahul: by default, yeah. what if I prefer a wider indent, for things I *do* want to indent? |
| 07:21.57 | rahul | peterS: but you can tweak that behavior, I'm sure |
| 07:22.13 | rahul | peterS: such a concept does not compute :) |
| 07:22.25 | peterS | rahul: no doubt. I've never bothered. I just try to either (a) fight with sgml mode whenever it's on, or (b) switch to text-mode or fundamental-mode or whatever |
| 07:22.48 | rahul | for all I know it may be a parameter already |
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| 07:23.16 | rahul | and it is |
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| 07:23.35 | Rza`` | any slapt-get users? |
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| 07:23.39 | rahul | "List of tags within which indentation is inhibited." |
| 07:23.48 | rahul | peterS: customize psgml |
| 07:23.48 | peterS | rahul: go figure. (: |
| 07:24.00 | cynyr36 | anyone know what needs to echo'd into /proc/acpi/sleep to get it to go into S4BIOS state? |
| 07:24.12 | rahul | although the fact that it applies to all sgml dtds is a bit hokey |
| 07:25.14 | De_Mon | rahul look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup. STARTUP=/usr/bin/x-window-manager if no .xinitrc/.xsession is found. |
| 07:25.24 | pol | where would i find the default font setting a certain terminal emulator uses, ie aterm? i would like to use the same font aterm uses by default with eterm etc |
| 07:25.27 | rahul | De_Mon: oh. |
| 07:25.46 | rahul | De_Mon: hmm, I think I have the wrong mental image of how those scripts work |
| 07:25.57 | rahul | oh well. a problem for another day |
| 07:25.59 | De_Mon | rahul join the club |
| 07:26.04 | rahul | heh |
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| 07:26.12 | De_Mon | its fun chasing variables around |
| 07:26.38 | sussudio | De_Mon: you need a life |
| 07:26.42 | rahul | silly non-reflective languages |
| 07:26.48 | rahul | and editors for that matter |
| 07:26.56 | nt0x | hmm |
| 07:27.02 | rahul | I want to be able to click on a token and get all the info about it! |
| 07:27.11 | De_Mon | sussudio this is my life till school starts back up on the 5th :) |
| 07:27.28 | sussudio | ~pity De_Mon |
| 07:27.31 | | I pity da fool De_Mon! |
| 07:27.35 | nt0x | I just attempted to install proFTPd on testing/2.4.23 and got Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: LsDefaultOptions: deprecated. Use ListOptions instead; how can I fix this? |
| 07:27.51 | rahul | ok time for bed |
| 07:27.59 | rahul | good morning, folk |
| 07:28.00 | rahul | s |
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| 07:28.12 | De_Mon | seeya later this afternoon |
| 07:28.21 | farmboy | how do you start the kde desktop once you install it? |
| 07:28.44 | sussudio | startx? |
| 07:29.08 | Rza`` | rofl |
| 07:29.10 | Rza`` | kde blowz |
| 07:29.13 | Rza`` | icewm baby |
| 07:29.20 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/niceice.jpg |
| 07:29.23 | cynyr36 | there is a startkde..... |
| 07:29.39 | hax | rza from cs? |
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| 07:30.44 | helix | @tuck rah |
| 07:30.48 | helix | oh |
| 07:30.50 | helix | nm :) |
| 07:30.57 | sussudio | tok'ra? |
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| 07:33.06 | nt0x | no one wanna help me with my proftpd problem? |
| 07:34.43 | nt0x | =( |
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| 07:36.26 | ricochet | to anyone: my clock is off for some reason, in X, it says there is no program to adjust the date. what do i need? i swear i've changed it b4 |
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| 07:37.03 | cyberkni | I have a weird issue with gaim. It currently has spawned around 85 processes on my machine. I'm not sure what is going on with it. I run SID on 2.4.23 |
| 07:37.32 | helix | wow, 3 questions and zero responses yet |
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| 07:37.50 | helix | ricochet: use date |
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| 07:37.55 | helix | ricochet: hwclock is another one.. |
| 07:38.01 | scruffy | ricochet: ntpdate, chrony? |
| 07:38.05 | neib | how to paste text from mozilla to a shell? |
| 07:38.08 | peterS | wow. helix the answer gang. |
| 07:38.10 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: use ntpdate and ntp-simple |
| 07:38.23 | dondelelcaro | neib: use the middle mouse button |
| 07:38.27 | helix | peterS: i'm taking advantage of two out of 10 commands that i have in my unix arsenal |
| 07:38.45 | dondelelcaro | cyberkni: kill it off. It's probably trying to die. |
| 07:38.49 | peterS | neib: depends on the shell app. generally just select the text in mozilla or any other X app, and paste with the middle mouse button. but certain terminal apps don't like doing that unassisted |
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| 07:39.03 | Bitwise | ftp://www.simonsmoon.com for free copies of 'UNCOVERED why bush really attacked iraq' and '911 the road to tyranny' please pass them on |
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| 07:39.28 | cyberkni | dondelelcaro: well, I don't want to be killing gaim processes for the rest of my life. ANy ideas why this is happening? |
| 07:40.04 | dondelelcaro | cyberkni: its probably a bug in gaim. Easiest method is to build with -g, run with ulimit -c -1; then send them a kill -CORE |
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| 07:41.39 | cyberkni | dondelelcaro: does anyone else but me have this problem? Its not like im the only one running these packages. |
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| 07:41.53 | dondelelcaro | cyberkni: check the bts. I run gaim from unstable, and I haven't seen it. |
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| 07:42.56 | cyberkni | dondelelcaro: I've just had awful trouble with almost everything on my newest install of sid. everything related to gnome locks up or doesn't start |
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| 07:43.36 | dondelelcaro | cyberkni: so update all of the packages, and/or file bugs and check the bts... |
| 07:43.59 | nt0x | ooo!ooo! me next! |
| 07:44.11 | dondelelcaro | nt0x: just ask your question. |
| 07:44.22 | nt0x | I did! o.O Ill ask again |
| 07:44.25 | nt0x | I just attempted to install proFTPd on testing/2.4.23 and got Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: LsDefaultOptions: deprecated. Use ListOptions instead; how can I fix this? |
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| 07:45.01 | dondelelcaro | nt0x: edit your proftpd config and change LsDefaultOptions to ListOptions |
| 07:45.01 | yaman | hello... i'm looking for ways to help conserve power on my laptop in linux... currently my battery lasts about 3 hours in windows but only about 1.5 in linux |
| 07:45.02 | mwilson | nt0x: You mean other than by reading the message and acting on it, apparently? |
| 07:45.16 | dondelelcaro | yaman: what type of laptop is this? |
| 07:45.20 | nt0x | where do I change it? |
| 07:45.22 | yaman | dondelelcaro, emachines |
| 07:45.22 | nt0x | in the conf? |
| 07:45.28 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
| 07:45.38 | xsdg | yaman: what processor? |
| 07:45.42 | scruffy | nt0x: I don't use proftpd, but the first place I'd look is in /etc/proftp* for a setting called LsDefaultOptions. |
| 07:45.48 | yaman | xsdg, AMD AthlonXP 2400+ |
| 07:45.55 | pat5star | nt0x: /etc/proftpd.conf maybe |
| 07:46.10 | yaman | dondelelcaro, sorry, we cant all afford $2000 dells.. heh |
| 07:46.43 | xsdg | yaman: in a laptop? wow |
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| 07:46.55 | xsdg | yaman: nonetheless, get frequency scaling working |
| 07:47.08 | nt0x | O.O |
| 07:47.11 | nt0x | im leet |
| 07:47.11 | yaman | xsdg, and i want to scale down? |
| 07:47.15 | nt0x | thanks guys |
| 07:47.15 | mavx | anybody happen to have a gaim 0.74 sarge package? |
| 07:47.17 | dondelelcaro | yaman: well, your first bet is to make sure that you have apm working correctly, then frequency scaling, and at the last point, get the various hard drive sleep hacks working. |
| 07:47.17 | yaman | xsdg, thats a 2.6 feature, no? |
| 07:47.40 | yaman | dondelelcaro, hmm... i was told to completely disable APM and to use ACPI... have i been misled? |
| 07:47.58 | dondelelcaro | yaman: depends on the laptop. I'm not familiar with that particular model. |
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| 07:48.09 | xsdg | yaman: there's a patch available for 2.4 iirc |
| 07:48.21 | yaman | dondelelcaro, although from what i've seen, ACPI doesnt do anythnig but tell me how much power is left |
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| 07:48.43 | xsdg | yaman: ACPI is _much_ more useful |
| 07:49.06 | xsdg | $cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 07:49.06 | xsdg | temperature: 68 C |
| 07:49.06 | modconf | xsdg: are you smoking crack? |
| 07:49.18 | xsdg | modconf: eh? |
| 07:49.19 | modconf | 'eh' is synonymous with the american dirivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara |
| 07:49.39 | yaman | xsdg, it just looks like a bunch of query functions |
| 07:50.01 | xsdg | yaman: proc doesn't let you change much... sysfs does (under 2.6) |
| 07:50.13 | Zap-W | 68C toast |
| 07:50.19 | xsdg | yaman: I haven't used 2.4 in half-a-year |
| 07:50.24 | xsdg | Zap-W: yep, it's runnin' hot :o) |
| 07:51.08 | yaman | xsdg, i'm at 30C... i may as well try out 2.6. when i did, i remember my mouse scroll stopped working |
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| 07:52.37 | yaman | xsdg, another question... the cpu prescaling... is it modifiable after boot? |
| 07:53.15 | xsdg | yaman: pre? |
| 07:53.21 | xsdg | yaman: I never said pre :o) |
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| 07:53.49 | yaman | xsdg, scaling.. then? |
| 07:53.55 | ricochet | dondelelcaro: i am using gnome, clock thing still doesnt work when i go "adjust clock" i swear it used to. what program is linked to that thing |
| 07:54.10 | xsdg | yaman: yes, so yes |
| 07:54.31 | knoppix | hey does anyone know how to install version 3.3 |
| 07:54.36 | knoppix | on the hard drive |
| 07:54.44 | jason | knx-install |
| 07:54.48 | jason | knx-hdinstall |
| 07:54.49 | yaman | xsdg, are you running test9 or test11? |
| 07:54.50 | jason | or somethingl ike that |
| 07:55.10 | yaman | there doesnt appear to be a kernel-headers package for test11 |
| 07:55.22 | zeeble | knoppix /topic |
| 07:55.33 | knoppix | i am a newb with the program so i dont where to find it |
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| 07:55.46 | knoppix | i dont know how to install it yet |
| 07:55.51 | bsphere | how do i remove a file named -V ? |
| 07:56.04 | yaman | bsphere, have you tried "rm \-V" ? |
| 07:56.14 | rdancer | rm -- -V |
| 07:56.17 | xsdg | yaman: 2.6.0 |
| 07:56.18 | bsphere | can-o-worms: illegal option -- V |
| 07:56.27 | yaman | xsdg, not from a debian package? |
| 07:56.29 | xsdg | yaman: and soon-to-be-2.6.0-rc1-mm1 on this box |
| 07:56.40 | xsdg | yaman: I compile all my kernels manually |
| 07:56.49 | helix | ricochet: probably date |
| 07:56.58 | yaman | xsdg, what is the mm significant of... yes, i do too, but do you get the sources through the kernel-sources* packages? |
| 07:57.00 | ricochet | helix: its installed :-/ |
| 07:57.11 | bsphere | any ideas how to remove a file named -V, from shell |
| 07:57.12 | helix | ricochet: uh huh.. what's your point? |
| 07:57.21 | helix | ricochet: you can change the date with that command. man date |
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| 07:57.31 | rdancer | bsphere: rm -- -V |
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| 07:57.45 | bsphere | exit |
| 07:57.48 | xsdg | yaman: no... all vanilla |
| 07:57.49 | ricochet | yes, i can. but i want the gnome one to work too |
| 07:57.54 | yaman | xsdg, ok |
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| 07:58.00 | peterS | helix: are you trying to man date what ricochet should do? |
| 07:58.09 | xsdg | yaman: mm is http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/people/akpm/ |
| 07:58.15 | helix | haha |
| 07:58.21 | helix | better than having him man mount |
| 07:58.28 | peterS | helix: point |
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| 07:58.49 | ricochet | Failed to locate a program for configuring the date and time. Perhaps none is installed? |
| 07:58.57 | yaman | xsdg, bad url |
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| 07:59.42 | sharth | pub/linux/kernel/people |
| 07:59.45 | xsdg | sharth: thx |
| 08:00.02 | sharth | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/ |
| 08:00.10 | rdancer | ricochet: come late--bios clock on a 386 |
| 08:00.36 | rdancer | ricochet: what about hwclock(8)? |
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| 08:01.15 | ricochet | rdancer: hwclock is there. perhaps its the link between gnome and that? |
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| 08:01.37 | helix | hwclock doesn't change the way the date is displayed, afaik |
| 08:01.44 | xsdg | no |
| 08:01.44 | rdancer | ricochet: i bet i can any clock in linux |
| 08:01.59 | helix | ricochet: there was no man page for date? |
| 08:02.01 | rdancer | ricochet: but came late here so don't know which |
| 08:02.09 | rdancer | ricochet: you have problem with |
| 08:02.46 | ricochet | rdancer: oh, the gnome clock>right click> adjust time gives the error |
| 08:02.49 | ricochet | Failed to locate a program for configuring the date and time. Perhaps none is installed? |
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| 08:03.05 | ricochet | helix: yes, there is a man page for date :) |
| 08:03.12 | helix | ricochet: you're not paying attention to me, i guess |
| 08:03.25 | helix | ricochet: did you read it? you can adjust it manually (you know.. like in a command line) |
| 08:03.30 | peterS | ricochet: is the problem that your clock is showing the wrong date, or that it's the wrong format? |
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| 08:03.38 | zeeble | how can date MMDDhhmmCCYY fail? |
| 08:04.02 | mosty | zeeble: run it and see how |
| 08:04.04 | xsdg | why would you set the time/date with date anyway? |
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| 08:04.14 | rdancer | ricochet: i don't use gnome. it's just the system clock on a pc, right--you want _all_ your system to have this time/date, no? |
| 08:04.15 | xsdg | (assuming networked box) |
| 08:04.32 | ricochet | helix; oh, no, of course i can set it via command line. I want it to work in gnome tho, like it did a week ago. just a case of anality |
| 08:04.37 | helix | xsdg: it's easier to use ntp or chrony for sure but.. whatever |
| 08:04.40 | helix | baby steps ;) |
| 08:04.54 | rdancer | ricochet: then date -s '2004-04-01' would do |
| 08:04.54 | zeeble | mosty nah, its working fine with me. i was wondering how the dude ricochet's date/clock was screwed up like he says |
| 08:04.57 | helix | ricochet: oh ok. so you don't want to really fix the date then |
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| 08:05.33 | exobyte | how can I simulate a windows reboot? |
| 08:05.34 | ricochet | helix: nope, i just want the Adjust date thing to work |
| 08:05.42 | xsdg | exobyte: start it? |
| 08:05.59 | zeeble | exobyte using what? crossover office? |
| 08:06.01 | helix | ricochet: well i dunno, it sounds like it isn't calling the right program.. |
| 08:06.09 | helix | could be a bug |
| 08:06.23 | xsdg | helix: hi, btw... and bye too :oP |
| 08:06.24 | exobyte | xsdg: I mean I installed something, (ie6) and when I run the installer again, I'm told I need to restart |
| 08:06.37 | zeeble | hehe |
| 08:06.38 | rdancer | ricochet: do you mean Gnome uses its own clock, unrelated to the kernel time notion? |
| 08:06.40 | zeeble | IE6 |
| 08:06.41 | ricochet | helix: oh ok, i was thinking a config file somewhere, but its its hardcoded... eeeh |
| 08:06.45 | exobyte | btw, where can I get the FULL ie6 installer |
| 08:06.48 | helix | xsdg: same to you |
| 08:07.06 | zeeble | exobyte did you goto windowsupdate.microsoft.com? |
| 08:07.07 | helix | ricochet: i'm not sure what it uses to interface between the gui and setting the date |
| 08:07.13 | pat5star | I just wrote a program I want to start up automatically on boot. Do I just put it in /etc/init.d and then symlink to it from rc2.d and that's it? |
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| 08:07.29 | zeeble | pat5star yeah |
| 08:07.31 | exobyte | zeeble: not quite. I got the installer |
| 08:07.45 | helix | ricochet: if you're using sid, fwiw, mine does the same thing |
| 08:07.54 | peterS | pat5star: the usual procedure is to put it in /etc/init.d/ and invoke /usr/sbin/update-rc.d to create the symlinks. but that's a minor point |
| 08:08.00 | rdancer | pat5star: yap. |
| 08:08.11 | pat5star | zeeble: ok...what's the significance of the S23 or whatever numbers? |
| 08:08.14 | ricochet | rdancer: I would assume it just gets the time via a system call? but it gives that error if i try to adjust it via right clickin the clock in the corner |
| 08:08.15 | zeeble | exobyte well, how exactly did you install? CXOffice has a nice instaler |
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| 08:08.33 | exobyte | zeeble: I'm cheap. I'm trying the "real" installer |
| 08:08.37 | zeeble | pat5star to handle what starts after what. if you can do it manually, fine, or else invoke update-rc.d |
| 08:08.44 | ricochet | helix: sid? fwiw? |
| 08:08.49 | zeeble | exobyte well. |
| 08:08.57 | peterS | ricochet: 'unstable'. "for what it's worth" |
| 08:09.06 | exobyte | did /me get what he paid for? |
| 08:09.07 | zeeble | exobyte so what do you want? the full installer? |
| 08:09.09 | ricochet | thx |
| 08:09.19 | pat5star | peterS: thanks...I just did a man update-rc.d...I didn't know it existed. I'll read it now...thanks all |
| 08:09.38 | exobyte | zeeble: I want ie6. office xp says it needs it |
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| 08:09.46 | ricochet | helix, yep, unstable. worked b4 i upgraded recently. so it may be a bug i guess |
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| 08:09.55 | helix | ricochet: probably a gnome bug then. check the bts |
| 08:10.09 | zeeble | exobyte if you have win32, download the installer, then tell it to download all the installer packages. |
| 08:10.10 | helix | before you ask |
| 08:10.13 | Zap-W | http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_1_cpu_cooling.zip |
| 08:10.13 | helix | !+bts |
| 08:10.14 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
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| 08:10.24 | ricochet | i knew what that one was :) |
| 08:11.02 | zeeble | rainy day women |
| 08:11.05 | helix | i haven't upgraded in at least a month though so i imagine it's an old bug.. if indeed it is a bug |
| 08:11.08 | helix | which is what it sounds like |
| 08:11.34 | exobyte | zeeble: well- I used the internet installer under wine, but it failed |
| 08:12.12 | zeeble | exobyte hmm, i never installed or wanted to install IE under wine, even when i tried wine out |
| 08:12.21 | zeeble | exobyte google for info. |
| 08:13.16 | ricochet | helix: hm, weird. this is a fairly new install/upgrade and that damn thing worked last week. |
| 08:13.24 | exobyte | zeeble: so how can I restart it? |
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| 08:13.41 | zeeble | ricochet well, gnome was updated a coupla days back i think |
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| 08:13.49 | helix | ricochet: not sure then |
| 08:13.51 | zeeble | exobyte danged if i know |
| 08:13.54 | helix | is it that big of a deal? |
| 08:13.58 | exobyte | anyone know which version of windoze came with ie5? |
| 08:14.13 | zeeble | exobyte #windows |
| 08:14.17 | exobyte | lol |
| 08:14.21 | exobyte | never again |
| 08:14.25 | exobyte | too google!! |
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| 08:15.11 | bubblemyster | hey |
| 08:15.12 | anti- | what package does module.h and all the relative files come from ..libc6? |
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| 08:15.36 | bubblemyster | i need help with configuring debian on a toshiba satellite 1415-s173 |
| 08:15.37 | ricochet | helix, thanks for the help pondering. and my new acroymns : wait, sid=unstable? hows that? i am a deb/irc newb |
| 08:15.55 | rdancer | anti: dpkg -S /path.../.../module.h |
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| 08:16.38 | Zalle_ | mornin' |
| 08:16.40 | peterS | ricochet: sid is the code name for the unstable distribution. it's not an acronym or anything, just a name. |
| 08:16.43 | rdancer | how do I make dead keys work in X? |
| 08:17.05 | kevogod | use a healing potion |
| 08:17.09 | anti- | rdancer: thx |
| 08:17.13 | holycow | hey guys |
| 08:17.22 | holycow | i dist-upgraded a workstation to testing and now kde wont load .. it's broken again right? |
| 08:17.26 | zeeble | bubblemyster http://www.cnpbagwell.com/toshiba.html, http://www.calpoly.edu/~rmartine/ |
| 08:17.26 | holycow | i get a whole bund of a depends on b but wont be installed |
| 08:17.32 | holycow | how should i go about fixing this? |
| 08:17.40 | rdancer | kevogod: dict 'dead keys' |
| 08:17.45 | helix | ricochet: still in development |
| 08:17.58 | ricochet | thanks! :) that one was gona bug me |
| 08:18.32 | streuner | holycow: sarge? |
| 08:18.50 | holycow | streuner, yeah |
| 08:19.02 | bubblemyster | thanx zeeble |
| 08:19.06 | streuner | holycow: with apt-get install kde? |
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| 08:19.18 | rdancer | hmm, is there any #debian-{french,german,slavic,..} |
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| 08:19.22 | holycow | fuck |
| 08:19.30 | sussudio | ~fuck holycow |
| 08:19.34 | | ACTION humps holycow's leg in public |
| 08:19.34 | streuner | holycow: did you read the /topic of #debian-kde? |
| 08:19.45 | holycow | streuner, don't be stupid |
| 08:20.00 | holycow | i simply dist-upgraded from stable to testing |
| 08:20.24 | zeeble | well, you gotta check before dist-upgrading, or at the very least using the test option |
| 08:20.32 | streuner | holycow: i must ask you stupid things, because i have no idea what you know and what not, so stick your attitude somewhere. |
| 08:20.32 | holycow | i had no intention of installing kde 3.1 separately |
| 08:20.43 | holycow | heh sorry :) |
| 08:20.58 | streuner | holycow: does apt-get install konqueror work? |
| 08:20.58 | holycow | i just upgraded from stable to testing, no i did not install kde 3.1 |
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| 08:21.20 | Zalle_ | say folks, ever tried using one of those unofficial mini-ISOs for installing Debian? how does that work? |
| 08:21.20 | holycow | thats funny yes it does |
| 08:21.30 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 08:21.38 | guk | they are net installs arn't they ? |
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| 08:21.47 | Zalle_ | yep |
| 08:21.55 | guk | I just use a woody netinstaller (like some 30mb one) and just update to whatever later |
| 08:21.58 | Zalle_ | just burning one |
| 08:22.00 | streuner | holycow: then install these basic packages in KDE at least, all packages where you got no error. |
| 08:22.03 | holycow | sorry streuner i got my gard up around here :) |
| 08:22.04 | zeeble | Zalle_ i always ise the unofficial netinstall isos. they always work. i dont think there is a official netinstall iso anyway |
| 08:23.00 | zeeble | holycow afair, there was a problem with the kde-multimedia packages |
| 08:23.11 | streuner | !info kdebase sarge |
| 08:23.15 | holycow | zeeble *nod* |
| 08:23.22 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:23.45 | streuner | holycow: if you upgrade to sarge you install KDE3.1 auto |
| 08:23.54 | Zalle_ | burned the bf2.4-3.0.23-mini.iso image to a CDRW |
| 08:23.58 | holycow | so basically when you dist-upgrade from testing to sarge there is no guarantee something wont break right? |
| 08:24.12 | peterS | holycow: testing == sarge |
| 08:24.18 | holycow | streuner ah! |
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| 08:24.31 | peterS | holycow: did you mean woody -> sarge? in any case, no, there are never any guarantees (: |
| 08:24.42 | holycow | peter, woody to sarge, yes |
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| 08:25.12 | holycow | *humm* okay good to know :) a bit presumtuous of me not to expect this |
| 08:25.21 | Zalle_ | I heard somebody say that testing is the worst of all available options.... |
| 08:25.34 | peterS | Zalle_: in some ways. security tracking, for example. |
| 08:25.46 | holycow | heh, so i may as well just do unstable huh? |
| 08:25.48 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 08:25.58 | sussudio | ~sid upgrade |
| 08:25.59 | | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay the fuck away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 08:26.00 | Zalle_ | somebody said, better go for unstable :) |
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| 08:26.11 | holycow | so then basically one ough to run stable with backports for normal worksations? |
| 08:26.12 | caphuso | somebody's a moron |
| 08:26.19 | peterS | holycow: many people do just fine on unstable. it's a good idea to check in with #debian before doing an upgrade - to make sure there aren't any major problems at the moment. |
| 08:26.19 | zeeble | holycow that's why, it is always best to ask here, or take a look at the BTS, or use the test option before doing a dist-upgrade. |
| 08:26.40 | Zalle_ | caphuso: *gg* |
| 08:26.42 | holycow | peterS *nod* |
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| 08:26.59 | peterS | holycow: ...and if you're afraid of having to untangle dependency problems from time to time, you shouldn't go to unstable. those things are a fact of life |
| 08:27.08 | holycow | zeeble ah! k :) heh i'm seeing it now, cool |
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| 08:27.26 | caphuso | neither a dist-upgrade nor broken dependancies are real problems in unstable |
| 08:27.41 | holycow | peterS *nod* |
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| 08:28.07 | streuner | caphuso: true |
| 08:28.09 | mdew | using squid, with sites with sub directories, do you have todo any special to block them? regex wise? |
| 08:28.25 | jason | has anyone had a problem when they were configuring video drivers for their laptop where the sceen kind of looks like it is "melting"? |
| 08:28.47 | zeeble | mdew what sub directories? i prefer using squidguard. its nice and configurable |
| 08:28.50 | yaman | time to test 2.6 |
| 08:28.57 | RainbowW | What's the magic trick to get mutt to preserve timestamps when copying/saving from one mailbox to another? |
| 08:29.25 | mdew | zeeble: this is a home-made list, pretty comprehensive... |
| 08:29.28 | mwilson | There is one? |
| 08:29.49 | mwilson | Mutt doesn't alter the message, what else do you expect it to do? |
| 08:30.02 | holycow | jason, sounds funky :) |
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| 08:30.43 | RainbowW | mwilson, I just got done copying a ton of messages from old Maildirs with 1997 timestamps on them to a new mbox. All the messages in the mbox were stamped 01/02/2004. Thus, my question. |
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| 08:31.09 | jason | actually.. its not really a melting.. it starts black and then it gets whiter in blotches.. |
| 08:31.35 | Zalle_ | ok folks, thx for a tiny piece of insight :) I'm off again, trying to install Windoze :-D |
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| 08:31.42 | Zalle_ | have a good one, bye |
| 08:31.42 | mwilson | RainbowW: No, all the files containing the messages were carrying current dates. You (a) aren't using mbox, and (b) the dates in the messages weren't altered. The dates on the files are accurate. |
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| 08:32.43 | [stephen] | anyone know how to change the resolution of the console frame buffer? i tried fbset but it said "open /dev/fb0: No such device"? |
| 08:32.45 | holycow | an fyi, someone here the other day was looking for a web based ssh proxy ... heres one: --> http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/sshwebproxy/ |
| 08:34.02 | StanTheMan | any security experts here? (based in USA) |
| 08:34.33 | weiye | how to view file list in a .deb? |
| 08:34.44 | streuner | weiye: dpkg -l |
| 08:34.53 | streuner | weiye: sorry, dpkg -L |
| 08:35.04 | weiye | I mean view file list in a .deb package file. |
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| 08:35.25 | peterS | StanTheMan: why do you ask? |
| 08:35.35 | peterS | StanTheMan: "expert" is a very relative term |
| 08:35.46 | StanTheMan | ok, let me rephrase that. Could someone please tell me who I would report a system attack/compromise to? at the U.S government level? |
| 08:35.51 | peterS | weiye: dpkg-deb has a sub-command for that. |
| 08:36.02 | mwilson | StanTheMan: You're funny. |
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| 08:36.23 | StanTheMan | PeterS: I had a system attacked (and taken down) by a foreign system |
| 08:36.29 | peterS | weiye: specifically 'dpkg-deb -c' as you can find out with 'dpkg-deb --help' |
| 08:36.40 | weiye | peterS: super,thanks! :) |
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| 08:36.48 | StanTheMan | mwilson: I figured someone likes to keep stats on this kind of thing |
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| 08:37.00 | RainbowW | mwilson, okay so even if it's not exporting to mbox, it's still gorking the filedates. Please explain the following url: http://www.goldblatt.net/1998.txt and feel free to stop loading after 20 or 30k cuz that's all it'll take for you to see what i'm talking about |
| 08:37.07 | rdancer | StanTheMan: call The whitehouse, perhaps? |
| 08:37.10 | peterS | StanTheMan: you can certainly report to CERT, who keeps tallies. I don't know if they would do anything more than increment a counter somewhere, though |
| 08:37.27 | StanTheMan | peterS: thx, that's a start |
| 08:37.40 | holycow | stan, you generally start with your local police in regards to these types of issues, not irc |
| 08:37.48 | holycow | just a hing |
| 08:37.48 | holycow | hint |
| 08:38.10 | rdancer | StanTheMan: /who StanTheMan |
| 08:38.21 | mwilson | RainbowW: Am I supposed to be seeing something interesting? |
| 08:38.29 | StanTheMan | holycow: well, I'm in Missouri, USA, and the perpetraitor is apparently in China, so I doubt the local police will be interested |
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| 08:39.06 | RainbowW | mwilson, the screencap indicates the april dates of the tagged and exported messages; the messages below all seem to have dates like Fri Jan 2 02:32:48 2004 |
| 08:39.19 | streuner | someone hacked the website of the parliament in a german state, they call LKA for that |
| 08:39.22 | StanTheMan | source of attack: 211.158.85.47 |
| 08:39.26 | rdancer | StanTheMan: Corporations e.g. are legaly bound to report to police |
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| 08:39.40 | RainbowW | so if mutt doesn't munge them, why are they munged? |
| 08:39.42 | streuner | LKA is an untergroup of BKA, which is similar to FBI |
| 08:39.49 | StanTheMan | whois shows that IP space being owned by someone in China |
| 08:40.11 | RainbowW | StanTheMan: clean up and forget it. if you ain't ibm yahoo or microsoft, nobody gives a crap. |
| 08:40.34 | KudoBoi | when i did sh nvidia_install, i get an E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernal-source. what should i do? |
| 08:40.35 | rdancer | StanTheMan: Which doesn't mean they are physicaly in China |
| 08:40.38 | sussudio | StanTheMan: get the fuck over it. |
| 08:40.40 | RainbowW | StanTheMan: and even if you are ibm yahoo or microsoft, they ain't gonna bother going after the chinese. |
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| 08:41.35 | daft | im stuck with getting nvidia drivers to 2.6 |
| 08:41.51 | daft | is there a good suport site some where? |
| 08:41.57 | streuner | daft: try #nvidia |
| 08:42.03 | daft | :O |
| 08:42.27 | RainbowW | daft: you might also try #kernel-newbies altho that's usually about as lively as #nvidia from what I've seen. |
| 08:42.54 | mwilson | RainbowW: Gee, what'd you do, forget to alter ALL the headers? Go down a couple and they're just fine. |
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| 08:43.46 | StanTheMan | Maybe I've been misunderstood. I'm not expecting anyone to go after the source. I was just wanting to report it (like a good citizen) to people who track the stuff. I'm in the clean up process now. |
| 08:44.16 | streuner | Your are holier than jesus, man :-) |
| 08:44.23 | dobby | hello i really need help. I upgraded to SID and now i got my first error with package libxrender1.1: dpkg-divert diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender1.1.so.1.1. I wanted to --force install it with dpkg. But i just don't get the syntax. i tried dpkg --force-all but thats wrong please help! |
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| 08:44.43 | RainbowW | StanTheMan: CERT may or may not up a counter. There is nobody else who gives enough of a shit, if even they do (which I doubt). |
| 08:44.45 | _holycow_ | stan, did you try your local police? i would say they ought to know where to point you to better than a random irc channel? |
| 08:44.48 | sussudio | StanTheMan: 'good citizen' sounds like someone who would rat out their neighbours as commies. |
| 08:44.51 | can-o-worms | StanTheMan: what exactly did they do to your box? |
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| 08:45.19 | sussudio | can-o-worms: they used it as a sex toy. |
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| 08:45.43 | can-o-worms | sussudio: there is a lot of that going on lately |
| 08:45.44 | zeeble | heh |
| 08:45.54 | mwilson | The crack about not needing to read the entire file is very telling. G'night. |
| 08:46.03 | sussudio | can-o-worms: there's been a shortage of lead pipes and vaseline too, lately. |
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| 08:46.13 | RainbowW | mwilson: blow me, cocksucker. |
| 08:46.17 | warhead | Hello to all |
| 08:46.29 | sussudio | RainbowW: not without buying him dinner first. |
| 08:46.38 | zeeble | RainbowW weird. you want a male to to it to you? |
| 08:46.58 | sussudio | zeeble: RainbowW lusts after mwilson |
| 08:47.05 | zeeble | heh |
| 08:47.15 | warhead | I have problem with amavis-ng |
| 08:47.22 | _holycow_ | heh "upgrading" to unstable fixed the kde issue |
| 08:47.26 | _holycow_ | *hmmm* |
| 08:47.29 | warhead | AMAVIS: Couldn't load AMAVIS::MTA::Exim: at /usr/share/perl5/AMAVIS.pm line 231, <GEN2> line 520. |
| 08:47.36 | sussudio | _holycow_: you're a dick. |
| 08:47.40 | RainbowW | zeeble: Like most women, I do prefer men. However, I don't appreciate men who impugne my honesty, dinner or not. |
| 08:47.41 | streuner | _holycow_: welcome to unstable :-) |
| 08:47.47 | _holycow_ | streuner :) heh |
| 08:47.54 | nimbler | anyone: is there an good, simple tool to implement semaphores for shell scripts? |
| 08:47.58 | zeeble | RainbowW there are always people like that. |
| 08:48.02 | _holycow_ | streuner how long have you been running it? |
| 08:48.19 | warhead | Please help with error in amavis-ng |
| 08:48.30 | mwilson | RainbowW: It's painfully apparent that YOU did something to change the headers. If mutt were going to do it, it would have altered ALL of them. Get used to it. |
| 08:48.33 | RainbowW | zeeble: And so my question is then modified: Why is it munging -some- dates and not others? The ones gorked seem to be the archived ones from myself. |
| 08:48.51 | streuner | _holycow_: unstable? since i use debian |
| 08:49.23 | synth | ugh im gonna be compiling gnome 2.5 and mozilla all night |
| 08:49.24 | can-o-worms | mwilson: it's nice to be important, but more important to be nice.... especially so early in the new year |
| 08:49.35 | _holycow_ | streuner i guess in a way then there is no point in not running it as testing can result in the similar issues as i ran into earlier? |
| 08:49.52 | _holycow_ | since both require untangling of dependencies... neat. |
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| 08:50.03 | StanTheMan | can-o-worms: I'm not exactly sure. The IMC log was up to 1.4GB on an Exchange server, about to fill that partition. This caused the IMC to stop. No big deal, except when I went to copy this 1.4GB log file to another partition, the machine crapped, as the drive failed. So, it makes the cleanup process a little larger. |
| 08:50.38 | jetscreamer | heh... now my fonts changed again |
| 08:50.45 | jetscreamer | jeezus |
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| 08:51.02 | StanTheMan | can-o-worms: what kinda sucks is that this is my "personal" mail server at home, as well as my file server, and unfortunately, I don't have a recent backup....oh well. |
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| 08:51.25 | StanTheMan | I'm just curious as to why someone decided to target me of all people.... |
| 08:51.34 | sussudio | StanTheMan: fuck off now |
| 08:51.47 | RainbowW | StanTheMan: because they found your system had a hole in it. |
| 08:51.52 | synth | wow this channel is full of holiday cheer |
| 08:51.54 | _holycow_ | stan, heh well it happens |
| 08:51.55 | StanTheMan | sussudio: what is your problem? |
| 08:52.00 | can-o-worms | StanTheMan: i suppose you need 2 hard disks to avoid a situation like that |
| 08:52.12 | RainbowW | StanTheMan: People scan systems all the time. Including yours. |
| 08:52.23 | _holycow_ | StanTheMan don't take it personally your machine is visible to all so your luck of the draw came up |
| 08:52.40 | _holycow_ | StanTheMan just ignore the a55hats in the chan dude :) you'll be much saner for it :) |
| 08:52.41 | RainbowW | synth: The holidays are over. We're all back to being our usual selves. |
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| 08:53.45 | synth | RainbowW, :) |
| 08:53.50 | StanTheMan | holycow: yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it was someone in this channel that did it..... |
| 08:54.06 | _holycow_ | so? |
| 08:54.08 | synth | OH NO |
| 08:54.13 | synth | its a WHODONIT |
| 08:54.16 | StanTheMan | lol |
| 08:54.21 | synth | was it the script kiddy from the aol dialup |
| 08:54.26 | synth | with the ssh hack? |
| 08:54.33 | neib | Where is installed de pkg-config? I can't compile the helloworld gtk |
| 08:54.41 | StanTheMan | so, anyway |
| 08:54.43 | synth | or the butler in the den with the candlestick |
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| 08:55.18 | synth | why does X support for logitech MX mice have to be such a hack (read: imwheel) |
| 08:55.25 | _holycow_ | stan you must assume by default that if a: you put your system on the net it will be attacked |
| 08:55.39 | caphuso | synth: stop living in 1998 |
| 08:55.45 | _holycow_ | and b: if your on ANY irc channel especially this one with its rather large collection of a55hats taht you will be attacked |
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| 08:55.53 | StanTheMan | what MTA/IMAP server combo do you all recommend? I've got squirrelmail setup (it was talking to the now dead Exch imap server), so I just need to pick and setup and MTA and IMAP server on my Woody box. |
| 08:55.55 | _holycow_ | the ball is in your court dude :) |
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| 08:55.56 | synth | caphusa: how the hell am i living in 98? |
| 08:56.03 | synth | this is a relatively new mouse, an mx500 |
| 08:56.08 | caphuso | synth: because you're talking about imwheel |
| 08:56.15 | caphuso | which is a 1998 thing... |
| 08:56.16 | jetscreamer | holy shit batman! |
| 08:56.18 | synth | heh |
| 08:56.34 | StanTheMan | _holycow_: thx for the pointers/advice |
| 08:56.35 | synth | well i couldnt get it to work with the extra buttons until i tried imwheel |
| 08:56.37 | rdancer | _holycow_: what is the irc=>you'll be attacked reasoning ? |
| 08:56.52 | caphuso | synth: you did something wrong. twice. |
| 08:57.09 | synth | caphuso, would you be as kind as to enlighten me? |
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| 08:57.30 | _holycow_ | rdancer, the reasoning is experience. i put a machine on the net, it takes a while for it to get scanned. use a machine to get on irc and yoru scanned by script kiddies almost immediately |
| 08:57.42 | jetscreamer | it's more fun to abuse ppl in an FPS |
| 08:57.43 | synth | err, this font sucks. cant see a/o difference well |
| 08:57.43 | caphuso | synth: read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz |
| 08:57.52 | rdancer | _holycow_: bots? |
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| 08:58.07 | RainbowW | rdancer: no, just dickless bastards having a penis-waving contest. |
| 08:58.09 | _holycow_ | *shrug* thats just the correlation i've noticed |
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| 08:58.27 | synth | caphuso, thanks |
| 08:58.43 | daft | I installed 2.6 kernel and i get ther error cant find function QM_modules did i forget to compile something? |
| 08:58.49 | _holycow_ | basically yoru either behind some nicely hardened firewalls and on a system thats properly locked down or your hacked i say |
| 08:58.49 | caphuso | daft: no |
| 08:58.50 | rdancer | _holycow_: double-NATed, so haven't really experience such |
| 08:58.59 | _holycow_ | rdancer, exactly :) |
| 08:59.08 | caphuso | why are people randomly upgrading their kernels without bothering to check the depenancies first? |
| 08:59.22 | _holycow_ | my other rule is that if you have a windows machine on the internet, you can consider your self hacked |
| 08:59.25 | rdancer | _holycow_: but planning getting public IP and that will be a whizz! |
| 08:59.30 | _holycow_ | heh :) just a rule of thumb |
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| 08:59.51 | _holycow_ | rdancer :) well i'm slowly learning more and more, thats way to leet for me just yet :) |
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| 09:00.23 | tasio | hi all |
| 09:00.45 | daft | so caphuso thanx for makeing me feel dump and so.. :) what sould i do then |
| 09:01.18 | patter | how do you set the default language LANG to anythign other than C? |
| 09:01.43 | rdancer | how does the server know i'm user jan here when I have identd filtered and not set up at all? |
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| 09:02.48 | zeeble | rdancer maybe your irc client, maybe your .basrc, or .profile |
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| 09:03.16 | daft | or just the user your loged in to to the mashince your working on |
| 09:03.18 | rdancer | client is `sirc' |
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| 09:04.08 | rdancer | thnx |
| 09:05.55 | mosty | daft: install module-init-tools |
| 09:05.58 | nimbler | anyone: what's an easy way to create a semaphore for bash shell scripts? |
| 09:06.08 | ljlane | iirc, the tilde in front of the username indicates the lack of ident |
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| 09:06.17 | mosty | nimbler, for what purpose? |
| 09:06.38 | daft | :o is my modconf stuff not 2.6 compatable? |
| 09:06.46 | nimbler | mosty: I just want to make the script wait if there is another instance of the script already running |
| 09:06.51 | warhead | What is wrong in amavis-ng??? AMAVIS: Couldn't load AMAVIS::MTA::Exim: at /usr/share/perl5/AMAVIS.pm line 231, <GEN2> line 520. |
| 09:06.56 | ljlane | daft, so I've heard |
| 09:07.01 | zeeble | daft module-init-tools |
| 09:07.10 | mosty | nimbler, create a lock file, or a pid file |
| 09:07.20 | rdancer | ljlane: makes sense |
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| 09:07.27 | zeeble | warhead apparently, none can help here, so post to a specialised place,like the amavis mailing list |
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| 09:07.45 | RainbowW | daft: read the docs. if you follow the instructions, including stuff that's shown up on lkml, you'll do okay. i did. |
| 09:08.02 | nimbler | mosty: every time I try to read that file will it be accessing the hard disk though? I'd like to keep it within memory |
| 09:08.45 | pat5star | I just finished setting up my firewall (iptables) and anything thats dropped and logged is getting printed to stdout...why, and how can I change that? |
| 09:08.50 | rdancer | nimbler: /dev/shm |
| 09:08.56 | warhead | zeeble > eh... |
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| 09:09.14 | caphuso | pat5star: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 09:09.23 | rdancer | pat5star: rtfm for LOG |
| 09:09.25 | pat5star | caphuso: ok, thanks |
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| 09:09.54 | rdancer | pat5star iptables(8) -> /LOG |
| 09:10.36 | rdancer | pat5star you have to tell it to log only to syslog, and not to console, or setup syslog(8) not to log to console |
| 09:11.01 | neib | where are stored the *.pc files for pkg-config? |
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| 09:11.09 | Mr_butler | hi |
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| 09:11.18 | sussudio | Mr_butler: fetch me a pepsi. |
| 09:11.19 | mosty | nimbler: how often are you going to run this? |
| 09:11.24 | peterS | ~greet Mr_butler |
| 09:11.27 | | Hi Mr_butler! |
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| 09:11.35 | StanTheMan | ahhhhh....whew |
| 09:11.47 | mateusz | Hi |
| 09:11.50 | zeeble | if anyone here is tracking E, has development on it stopped completely? |
| 09:11.50 | StanTheMan | got that drive restarted!!! yay! |
| 09:11.55 | Mr_butler | Hello everybody and sussudio get it yourself :) |
| 09:12.02 | mateusz | Is there php mod for apache2 ?? |
| 09:12.04 | sussudio | Mr_butler: you're fired. |
| 09:12.16 | peterS | mateusz: last I heard, debian didn't support php + apache2 |
| 09:12.17 | Mr_butler | sussudio; thanks |
| 09:12.31 | pat5star | rdancer: ok...I'm reading the man pages on that now. I wasn't sure where to look so I appreciate you guys steering me in the right direction :) |
| 09:12.41 | tasio | mateusz: you can still using php but as cgi |
| 09:12.42 | peterS | mateusz: apparently php cvs has some apache2 support, but I've not kept up with how stable it is considered to be |
| 09:12.42 | Mr_butler | Is it possible to create data cd's using cdrdao? |
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| 09:13.06 | Mr_butler | I have heard that cdrdao is used for creating audio cd's which cant be made using cdrecord. |
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| 09:13.27 | caphuso | Mr_butler: you also need mkisofs |
| 09:13.36 | sussudio | yeah yeah piggy's /dev/hda1 has gone 357 days without being checked..... get on with it. |
| 09:13.36 | rdancer | pat5star: heh, didn't do it myself yet... lazy me ;-) |
| 09:13.38 | mateusz | peterS: So, I have to find some example in python :) |
| 09:13.43 | peterS | Mr_butler: I'm pretty sure cdrdao can handle data CDs, but really, why does it matter? under what circumstance does cdrecord not do what you need? |
| 09:14.08 | The_Vulture | Mr_butler: you want to make a mixed media disk? a data track and some audio tracks? |
| 09:14.24 | peterS | mateusz: as tasio said, you can use the CGI version of php. or just drop back to apache 1.3. really, most people don't need the new features apache2 offers. I don't know if you need them or not, of course |
| 09:14.24 | zeeble | Mr_butler cdrdao can burn data cds, you'd best goto cdrecord's or jorg schillig's pages and read the stuff. cdrecord is nice |
| 09:14.30 | pat5star | rdancer: lol...it freaked me out at first...all of a sudden I had a bunch of log statements printed to my screen...I didn't recognize them at first and was wondering what the hell was going on! |
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| 09:15.03 | rdancer | pat5star: start with few `-j LOG' stanzas |
| 09:15.25 | Smirker | my locale is set to a language i dont have, any all my reconfiguring things dont work. is there like a command to change my language to en_AU (UTF-8) ?? |
| 09:15.45 | rdancer | pat5star but behind a NAT, so and nothing much logged, so just too lazy yet |
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| 09:16.05 | Web52|Doochy | How do i force mit network card to 100mbit |
| 09:16.05 | tasio | Smirker: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:16.16 | Smirker | doesnt work... locale error NO SUCH FILE OR DIRECTORY |
| 09:16.20 | Smirker | and then it quits |
| 09:16.23 | rdancer | Smirker: export LC_ALL=C |
| 09:16.26 | pat5star | rdancer: oh I'm done my firewall script...I just started it though and that's when I encountered the log statements. The firewall is working fine and actually I may have to tone down the logging because I was just experimenting...but I wasn't expecting them to be printed to the screen though :) |
| 09:16.39 | Smirker | ill try that |
| 09:16.39 | Mr_butler | peterS; I hear you can't make audio cd's using cdrecord |
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| 09:16.59 | caphuso | Mr_butler: where in all hell are you hearing such blatant nonsense? |
| 09:17.02 | rdancer | pat5star lol |
| 09:17.02 | peterS | Mr_butler: not true. the difference is that cdrecord can't do disk-at-once mode. or that used to be true - not sure if it's still true |
| 09:17.10 | Mr_butler | The_Vulture; Yes that cant also be made using cdrecord no? |
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| 09:17.19 | Smirker | i exported LC_ALL=C, now when i type dpkg-reconfigure locales, it just pauses, and quits |
| 09:17.19 | peterS | Mr_butler: the difference *there* is that DAO mode lets you record multiple audio tracks without a 2-second gap between each one, in playback. |
| 09:17.20 | caphuso | Mr_butler: you probably want to call the persons telling you that crap idiots |
| 09:17.29 | Smirker | it works if i restart my terminal thou |
| 09:17.29 | Tybor | which is newer: mldonkey-server or mldonkey-cvs? |
| 09:17.44 | Mr_butler | peterS; That makes all the difference no? you have those 2 sec gaps which are too irritating |
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| 09:17.53 | The_Vulture | Mr_butler: that'd require disk at once mode so I think you'd need cdrdao but I could be wrong |
| 09:18.07 | Web52|Doochy | How do i force mit network card to 100mbit |
| 09:18.11 | peterS | Mr_butler: that's why people say cdrecord can't properly record audio CDs. It certainly *can* record audio CDs, but you get those gaps between tracks. |
| 09:18.18 | The_Vulture | Web52|Doochy: you don't force it.. |
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| 09:18.28 | caphuso | peterS: bullshit |
| 09:18.31 | The_Vulture | Web52|Doochy: why do you think you want to? |
| 09:18.44 | peterS | caphuso: are you saying cdrecord can now record in DAO mode? I know that is on the roadmap at least |
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| 09:18.52 | caphuso | why can't you guys just tell Mr_butler to read the cdrecord docs instead of feeding him wrong informations? |
| 09:19.25 | caphuso | peterS: Sun Apr 16 17:06:30 2000 Joerg Schilling <joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de> * cdrecord.c 1.98 New Option driveropts= better -dao usage |
| 09:19.46 | caphuso | and that's not the first mention of DAO in the cdrecord changelog |
| 09:20.01 | Web52|Doochy | The_Vulture: its only 10mbit |
| 09:20.04 | Mr_butler | caphuso; So tell me can cdrecord do DAO mode burning? I believe not. (atleast not yet) |
| 09:20.08 | Web52|Doochy | and its a 100mbit netcard |
| 09:20.12 | caphuso | Mr_butler: shut up |
| 09:20.18 | caphuso | Mr_butler: go read "man cdrecord" |
| 09:20.20 | The_Vulture | Web52|Doochy: is it a 10mbit NIC? are other NICS on the network 10mbit (are you using a hub rather than a switch)? |
| 09:20.23 | peterS | caphuso: yes, I'm aware that cdrecord is intended (by Joerg at least) to supplant cdrdao. what I don't know is whether that works, and works reliably, such that you can use it for audio CDs |
| 09:20.32 | The_Vulture | your NIC is probably auto-sensing and has decided it should be running in 10mbit mode |
| 09:20.35 | The_Vulture | leave it alone |
| 09:20.36 | The_Vulture | it knows more than you :) |
| 09:20.50 | zeeble | heh |
| 09:20.53 | caphuso | peterS: of course it works. it's been working for years now |
| 09:21.13 | caphuso | read: YEARS |
| 09:21.23 | Mr_butler | caphuso; So tell me what is the syntax for writing audio tracks? I know the syntax for data cd's. |
| 09:21.37 | caphuso | Mr_butler: it's "man cdrecord", FFS |
| 09:21.52 | Web52|Doochy | The_Vulture: my switch was set to 10mbit i did pup it up to 100mbit now i wanna know how to set the netcard up to 100mbit |
| 09:21.58 | Smirker | how do i install en_US language in terminal? |
| 09:22.09 | Mr_butler | caphuso; I use an older version. And my man page doesnt tell anything about dao support |
| 09:22.11 | caphuso | Smirker: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:22.19 | The_Vulture | Web52|Doochy: it'll auto-sense, if it doesn't you've got issues, but I wouldn't be trying to force anything *shrugs* |
| 09:22.21 | caphuso | Mr_butler: an older version? how old? |
| 09:22.27 | Smirker | caphuso - i cant cause i dont have en_US :/ |
| 09:22.34 | rdancer | caphuso: wrong |
| 09:22.35 | Knub | mavx: yes im still stuck with my vid card problem |
| 09:22.42 | Web52|Doochy | The_Vulture: how to se if its 10mbit ore 100mbit... t |
| 09:22.45 | Mr_butler | caphuso; redhat linux 6.2 |
| 09:22.45 | caphuso | Smirker: huh? |
| 09:22.54 | Smirker | sorry |
| 09:22.56 | Smirker | its ok |
| 09:22.57 | rdancer | Smirker: you dont install, it's an environment variable |
| 09:22.58 | zeeble | Mr_butler wtf? try #redhat |
| 09:23.13 | rdancer | Smirker: the thing you export, set and unset |
| 09:23.21 | rdancer | Smirker: byt |
| 09:23.23 | tasio | Web52|Doochy: I know there's a package that contains an application to set manually |
| 09:23.34 | rdancer | s/t$/e/ |
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| 09:23.46 | The_Vulture | Web52|Doochy: in general, you don't, NICs auto-sense and pick as appropriate |
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| 09:23.57 | Brutus | Mr_butler, if you're using redhat, why the hell are you asking here? :| |
| 09:23.59 | zeeble | Mr_butler use your version of pcquest linux, and follow their howtos. dont ask for problems that are not even related to debian |
| 09:24.03 | tessier_ | Why do the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel sources not seem to be available via apt-get? |
| 09:24.11 | tessier_ | Maybe they aren't in testing...I installed from stable... |
| 09:24.12 | Web52|Doochy | tasio: name?.¨ |
| 09:24.18 | caphuso | !+info kernel-source-2.4.18 woody |
| 09:24.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:24.31 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.4.18: (Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.18-13 (woody), Packaged size: 23326 kB, Installed size: 23436 kB |
| 09:24.33 | dangle | is there a cursor-change program in X or another cursor-client program ? |
| 09:24.36 | caphuso | looks available to me |
| 09:24.46 | Mr_butler | Brutus; zeeble; cdrecord and cdrdao are not distribution specific. |
| 09:24.59 | tasio | Web52|Doochy: unfortunatelly, I can't remember his name at the moment, if I remember, i'll tell you. |
| 09:24.59 | tessier_ | caphuso: Yeah, it's in stable and I've upgraded to testing. Hmm... |
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| 09:25.13 | Brutus | Mr_butler, wait, which distribution are you running? |
| 09:25.14 | Mr_butler | thanks anyway |
| 09:25.22 | peterS | Mr_butler: everything is distribution-specific. particularly concerning what versions of software are available |
| 09:25.23 | zeeble | Mr_butler then why are you asking here? the very point of having a #debian is people using debian, not redhat |
| 09:25.29 | caphuso | tessier_: you wouldn't want the version in testing anyways |
| 09:25.35 | sussudio | We can rebuild him. give him more memory and a more powerful processor. |
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| 09:25.56 | jasonpm | i'm having this weird problem with XFree86 on my laptop where when it goes into XFree86, it starts getting confused about outputting to the LCD or to the VGA output... anyone had anything like this before? |
| 09:25.59 | Brutus | sussudio, who? o_O |
| 09:25.59 | warhead | What is date offical of relase linux kernel 2.4.24? |
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| 09:26.15 | sussudio | Brutus: Piggy. |
| 09:26.17 | caphuso | warhead: there isn't one |
| 09:26.17 | l4vim | helo |
| 09:26.17 | peterS | warhead: there is none |
| 09:26.22 | mage | warhead: what a stupid question. |
| 09:26.24 | Brutus | sussudio, pardon? |
| 09:26.27 | The_Vulture | warhead: ? some time in the past.. what's it matter? |
| 09:26.36 | l4vim | what did I forget in 2.6.0 kernel that I cannot use hadparm ? |
| 09:26.49 | mage | jasonpm: did you have an S3 chip ? |
| 09:26.50 | l4vim | s/hadparm/hdparm/ |
| 09:26.52 | Brutus | warhead, the 27th of july 2643. |
| 09:27.22 | dangle | warhead: see kernel.org |
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| 09:27.39 | sussudio | um. |
| 09:27.40 | dangle | warhead: the latest is 2.6 |
| 09:28.02 | larrry | hey, I accidentally set X to use ati drivers while installing... how can i switch them to matrox? |
| 09:28.12 | bucky | when's 2.0.40 coming out |
| 09:28.12 | larrry | can I do this with debconf? |
| 09:28.17 | caphuso | larrry: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:28.18 | jasonpm | mage: radeon 9600 pro |
| 09:28.19 | Brutus | larrry, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:28.21 | sussudio | fuck |
| 09:28.22 | larrry | thanks |
| 09:28.39 | Mr_butler | Brutus; redhat 6.2. But I am thinking of changing my distribution (6.2 is quite old) to debian. but dont know which is the latest version? 3.2? |
| 09:28.52 | zeeble | Mr_butler 3.0r_2 |
| 09:29.00 | zeeble | aka Woody |
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| 09:29.02 | Brutus | Mr_butler, the latest version of debian is woody, or 3.0r_2. |
| 09:29.03 | rdancer | Mr_butler: `stable' |
| 09:29.22 | Mr_butler | what does r_2 stand for? |
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| 09:29.31 | Brutus | Mr_butler, now, when people use debian, and have a problem with it, they come here, when people ujse something else, and have a problem with that, they don't. |
| 09:29.36 | zeeble | Mr_butler revision |
| 09:29.37 | Brutus | Mr_butler, second release, i believe. |
| 09:29.44 | bucky | Mr_butler: what's this going on, a production box? |
| 09:29.46 | zeeble | 3rd release |
| 09:30.07 | rdancer | zeeble: 333rd repease |
| 09:30.09 | Brutus | zeeble, i thought the 'r' was release.. >< |
| 09:30.13 | irvken | I'm running the default woody kernel and I need usb and smbfs support will just installing a kernel-image with apt sort that out for me or is there any other issues I should be aware of |
| 09:30.30 | caphuso | irvken: "the default woody kernel" doesn't exist |
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| 09:30.44 | rdancer | irvken: uname -a |
| 09:31.02 | irvken | 2.2.20 is the kernel I always end up with if you choose the defaults in a woody install |
| 09:31.03 | zeeble | Brutus first was release 0, 3.0r_0, then r_1, then r_2, so you can call it revision rather than release |
| 09:31.10 | Mr_butler | ok. Say guys does the debian installer (text i believe) auto detect atleast some of the periferals during installation? |
| 09:31.24 | rdancer | irvken: depends. |
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| 09:31.36 | rdancer | irvken: can be anything else |
| 09:31.38 | Brutus | zeeble, yes, i realised that when you said revision, i just thought it was release until then (or rather, off the top of my head, was just guessing :P) |
| 09:31.45 | caphuso | Mr_butler: woody's installer doesn't |
| 09:31.45 | zeeble | Mr_butler not much. it expects you to know what hardware you have. |
| 09:31.49 | bucky | Mr_butler: yes and it's easy |
| 09:31.54 | nimbler | anyone: can I manually create /dev/shm or is devfs almost needed for it? |
| 09:32.02 | irvken | rdancer: Linux debirvken 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:32.05 | l4vim | Mr_butler : you will get the list of possible drivers to chose what you want |
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| 09:32.08 | zeeble | but yeah, it detects your hdd, and CPU and all that |
| 09:32.13 | caphuso | nimbler: yes, and devfs is never needed at all |
| 09:32.29 | Pimpelhuber | Hi |
| 09:32.31 | debian | Mr_butler: mostly the base drivers, like hd |
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| 09:32.55 | Mr_butler | I want to know if it will detect my monitor refresh rates... The rest I can manage. |
| 09:33.03 | irvken | so rather than dloading the source for 2.4.22 and compiling it myself, will an image do instaed |
| 09:33.05 | zeeble | why do all students have their ids stating with a "u" |
| 09:33.29 | zeeble | Mr_butler heh, no. see, you save your current X config, it will have the refresh rates |
| 09:33.29 | Pimpelhuber | Could someone tell me how to change time and date in debian? |
| 09:33.38 | l4vim | Mr_butler : in installer you will be in text mode - so it is VGA standard |
| 09:33.39 | caphuso | Pimpelhuber: info date |
| 09:33.40 | zeeble | Pimpelhuber man date |
| 09:34.09 | l4vim | Mr_butler if you want to install X you must chose possible resolutions to future use |
| 09:34.43 | bucky | Mr_butler: go here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
| 09:34.51 | l4vim | do you know why I cannot use hdparm on 2.6.0 kernel ? |
| 09:34.58 | Mr_butler | l4vim; my monitor can do up to 800x600 |
| 09:35.00 | bucky | get your six floppies, you won't be sorry |
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| 09:35.41 | l4vim | Mr_butler : so you are probably interested in 800x600 mode |
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| 09:35.53 | bucky | Mr_butler: and i suggest the bf2.4 floppy set so you get the 2.4 kernel and a choice between ext2 and rieserfs |
| 09:35.53 | Mr_butler | l4vim; yeah |
| 09:35.54 | caphuso | l4vim: because you misconfigured it |
| 09:36.19 | larrry | so is stable supposed to be running a 2.2.x kernel? |
| 09:36.26 | l4vim | caphuso : I know this - but what did I forget ? |
| 09:36.30 | caphuso | larrry: 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 09:36.31 | Mr_butler | bucky; I already have a single debian CD somewhere, got from a Magazine |
| 09:36.41 | caphuso | larrry: probably some IDE chipset support |
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| 09:37.04 | Mr_butler | bucky; But i am not sure if it is 2.4 kernel |
| 09:37.06 | Pimpelhuber | thx@all, had a future-timestamp.... |
| 09:37.12 | Pimpelhuber | all okay noe |
| 09:37.14 | Pimpelhuber | now |
| 09:37.20 | bucky | good enough |
| 09:37.21 | zeeble | Mr_butler that should be fine. just start the install from it |
| 09:37.22 | Mr_butler | bucky; but that can be changed later no? |
| 09:37.27 | bucky | sure |
| 09:37.39 | bucky | hi debian |
| 09:37.39 | larrry | caphuso: can I upgrade to 2.4 with apt or do I need to build my own? |
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| 09:37.52 | caphuso | larrry: you can |
| 09:37.55 | debian | ~debianstrike bucky |
| 09:37.56 | bucky | :^) |
| 09:37.59 | l4vim | Mr_butler : you 'll install debian in text mode (640x480 60Hz), then if you want X install it and select only 800x600 mode - simple |
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| 09:38.15 | bucky | hehe, apt likes me |
| 09:38.20 | debian | :/ |
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| 09:38.46 | pzrael | hey all, i was dualbooting and i just removed my linux ( each on a seperate hd) now i cant boot into windows (stuck at grub command line). how do i replace grub with the windows equiv / get grub to load windows? |
| 09:39.00 | cyberyo | io |
| 09:39.05 | debian | !debianstrike bucy |
| 09:39.06 | dpkg | ~penixstrike bucy |
| 09:39.09 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bucy to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:39.15 | mo699898 | does turning on the toolbar in nautilus make nautilus go crazy for anyone else? |
| 09:39.15 | debian | damn |
| 09:39.18 | debian | missed |
| 09:39.29 | l4vim | pzrael : what type of windows do you have ? |
| 09:39.35 | pzrael | l4vim: xp |
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| 09:39.54 | zapw | anyone know if dillo supports different language encoding? |
| 09:40.12 | zeeble | dillo uses gecko right? |
| 09:40.22 | Mr_butler | pzrael; boot using a windows startup disk in to dos and execute the command fdisk /MBR |
| 09:40.45 | cyrlap | have compaq prosignia 300 with 80MB ram and kernel 2.2.20 detect 80MB kernel 2.4.22 detect only 16mb > help |
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| 09:40.52 | l4vim | pzrael : I'm not sure with XP, but on the 9x works if you boot from floppy with fdisk (Windows (DOS) floppy) then type fdisk /mbr |
| 09:40.53 | nimbler | anyone: where can I find good info on creating /dev/shm, all I can find is stuff that talks about using devfs for it? |
| 09:40.58 | pzrael | Mr_butler: bah, i was hoping i didnt have to do that, i just wrote over that stupid startupdisk the other day :| |
| 09:41.15 | larrry | anyone know if kernel 2.4.18-12 has all the proper patches for all the known root explots |
| 09:41.27 | Mr_butler | l4vim; I think i have a knoppix cd. then i could install it on to my HDD .... |
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| 09:41.31 | l4vim | pzrael : it can be worth if you have NTFS - i'm not sure - never test it on XP |
| 09:41.32 | caphuso | nimbler: /path/to/kernelsrc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 09:41.54 | l4vim | Mr_butler : bootable CD of knoppix ? |
| 09:41.56 | pzrael | l4vim: any way to get this grub to load windows? =) |
| 09:42.00 | Mr_butler | l4vim; yes |
| 09:42.22 | nimbler | caphuso: thanks |
| 09:42.27 | l4vim | Mr_butler : check if there are options to chose resolutions when you'll boot it |
| 09:42.38 | l4vim | pzrael : there is a way |
| 09:42.39 | pzrael | the grub was able to run windows before ideleted the linux partitions :\ |
| 09:42.58 | l4vim | pzrael : you must boot linux from any install CD of linux |
| 09:43.06 | caphuso | pzrael: well, what did you expect grub to do after you removed 99% of it? work like nothing happened? |
| 09:43.07 | l4vim | pzrael : try tu use "rescue" mode |
| 09:43.14 | tasio | Web52|Doochy: are you there? |
| 09:43.21 | zapw | '' |
| 09:43.27 | pzrael | caphuso: actually i thought it was all contained in /boot :| |
| 09:43.33 | l4vim | pzrael : no no, sorry - you remove linux from your hdd - right ? |
| 09:43.46 | pzrael | l4vim: yes |
| 09:43.57 | Mr_butler | l4vim; yes there are options. In fact I used 5 ie 800x600 and it works perfectly |
| 09:44.14 | l4vim | pzrael : it's not good... |
| 09:44.54 | l4vim | is there is lilo on install CD ? |
| 09:45.24 | l4vim | not as a .deb ofcourse... |
| 09:45.36 | Mr_butler | l4vim; are u talking to me? |
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| 09:45.53 | l4vim | to anybody |
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| 09:45.59 | l4vim | to everybody |
| 09:46.10 | Mr_butler | ok |
| 09:46.11 | l4vim | s/body/bady/ ? |
| 09:46.15 | Zap-W | \ |
| 09:46.18 | l4vim | not sure :) |
| 09:46.29 | gunebakan | Hi All |
| 09:46.33 | gunebakan | I need help |
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| 09:46.37 | rdancer | s/bady/buddy/ |
| 09:46.37 | bucky | pzrael: i'd just reinstall linux and let grub or lilo find your windows install again, but dont' over write your window partition |
| 09:46.45 | l4vim | i meen that if there is lilo on that CD pzrael can use it to get access to his windows partition |
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| 09:46.50 | bucky | and i prefer lilo |
| 09:46.52 | gunebakan | how can I rename all the file in a directory? |
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| 09:47.05 | Zap-W | mmove |
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| 09:47.10 | gunebakan | for example I have files like: |
| 09:47.10 | gunebakan | Jazz History 01 hede.mp3 |
| 09:47.10 | gunebakan | Jazz History 02 hjfe.mp3 |
| 09:47.10 | gunebakan | Jazz History 03 jkfd.mp3 |
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| 09:47.23 | Zap-W | heh |
| 09:47.31 | gunebakan | and I want to remove "Jazz History " part from the file name |
| 09:47.34 | john_ | gunebaken: for i in * ; do mv $i $i.foo ; done |
| 09:47.37 | gunebakan | what should I use? |
| 09:47.37 | l4vim | <gunebakan> Jazz History 99 jkfd.mp3 |
| 09:47.37 | caphuso | gunebakan: man rename |
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| 09:47.45 | nu11 | hi guys |
| 09:48.22 | rdancer | gunebakan: man sh(1) |
| 09:48.23 | john_ | caphuso: Only any good if you happen to have perl installed. |
| 09:48.27 | gunebakan | can I do it with a mv command? |
| 09:48.33 | Mr_butler | Does anybody know any good wallpaper sites? |
| 09:48.37 | rdancer | gunebakan: or use mc in a short run |
| 09:48.37 | caphuso | john_: and...? |
| 09:48.39 | pzrael | bucky: yah i could do that ;\ |
| 09:48.39 | pzrael | you begin to realize how useless a server can be when your clients are down / sleeping and you dont have a floppy drive =) |
| 09:48.41 | pzrael | Mr_butler: www.customize.org |
| 09:48.51 | ayanshola | hi all |
| 09:48.52 | ludwig | gunebakan: what's the pattern you want to rename them to |
| 09:48.56 | pzrael | Mr_butler: once you go black though, you never go back |
| 09:48.57 | l4vim | pzrael : check if there is lilo on boot CD - boot it, turn to tty2 (as I remember), hit Enter to activate shell, check if there is a lilo |
| 09:49.16 | l4vim | pzrael : if there is you can use it to get access to your windows partition |
| 09:49.21 | gunebakan | Jazz History 01 hede.mp3 |
| 09:49.21 | Mr_butler | pzrael; what does that mean? :) |
| 09:49.34 | gunebakan | I want to remove "Jazz History" part from the all file |
| 09:49.52 | caphuso | gunebakan: you already told us that, now go do it |
| 09:49.53 | gunebakan | can I do it by mv and using Regular Expression? |
| 09:50.00 | caphuso | gunebakan: man rename |
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| 09:50.06 | ludwig | gunebakan: that's what rename does |
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| 09:50.34 | Mr_butler | pzrael; It says Customize.org Very heavy server load, come back later :) |
| 09:50.35 | gunebakan | thanks |
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| 09:50.39 | pzrael | Mr_butler: i prefer sexy black, luscious desktops! |
| 09:50.51 | rdancer | gunebakan: ``for a in *.mp3; do mv "$a" "$(echo "$a" | sed 's/<old name part>/<new name part>/' )"; done'' is the easiest way. Maybe contains some bugs, though. |
| 09:51.00 | caphuso | rdancer: easiest? |
| 09:51.05 | ludwig | rdancer: man rename :) |
| 09:51.10 | caphuso | rename 's/^Jazz History//' * |
| 09:51.28 | rdancer | caphuso: rename(1)? |
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| 09:52.09 | rdancer | caphuso: Reformatting rename(1), please wait... |
| 09:52.16 | Mr_butler | pzrael; Black is quite pleasing to the eyes. Though I like a sexy lady in black and white on my desktop |
| 09:52.43 | caphuso | rdancer: there is zero need to tell me standard man messages |
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| 09:52.53 | noam | good morn' |
| 09:52.57 | pzrael | Mr_butler: well if i had more than a console-based-server right now, i'd give you some nice links =) |
| 09:52.58 | pzrael | Mr_butler: actually, goto deskmod.com and try the links from them |
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| 09:53.08 | ludwig | rdancer: as opposed to rename(12)? |
| 09:53.18 | noam | what is the best version of debian for workstations? |
| 09:53.18 | rdancer | caphuso: realtime capture from my tty |
| 09:53.26 | rdancer | caphuso: no insult intended |
| 09:53.29 | pzrael | Mr_butler: i've found tho that any detail on my desktop gets distracting / painful to the eyes |
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| 09:54.20 | rdancer | caphuso: have read it--i really didn't know it before. But it doesn't have any --dry-run mode |
| 09:54.42 | nimbler | anyone: is /dev/shm just a directory rather than a block or character file? |
| 09:54.53 | Mr_butler | pzrael; While i am doing serious work i use aewm. So no background. While I relax like hearing music, playing games etc, i use fluxbox with all the eye candy :) |
| 09:55.05 | caphuso | nimbler: a directory. what else could it possibly be? |
| 09:55.14 | zeeble | Mr_butler what's serious work like? |
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| 09:55.14 | rdancer | as /me is lame |
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| 09:55.34 | pzrael | wow it seems like i made my fedora recovery disk over my 98 bootdisk.. argh! |
| 09:55.44 | rdancer | gunebakan: use rename(1) |
| 09:55.50 | terr1_ | Im trying to get a Promise 20276 (ATA133) raid to work on 2.6.0 (debian unstable), loaded the md module and raid0, I can see there is a 240gb drive on hdg1 (2x120) but when i mount it, it shows scrambled stuff.. all kinda weird chars and stuff not right, do it have another device by default? (onboard device) or do I have to use a append line manually? |
| 09:56.04 | nimbler | caphuso: I have no idea. It just doesn't seem to make much sense to have a directory as a mount point |
| 09:56.19 | Mr_butler | zeeble; It could be as serious as preparing my office report for the next day or as less serious as writing a letter to my family |
| 09:56.20 | rdancer | s/lame/irc newbie/ |
| 09:56.20 | caphuso | s/in/at/ |
| 09:56.26 | dangle | is there a tool to change partition labels? |
| 09:56.30 | caphuso | nimbler: you can *only* use directories as mount points |
| 09:56.31 | pzrael | Mr_butler: i don't see how you linux users can appreciate music without foobar2000 |
| 09:56.31 | pzrael | Mr_butler: unless of course you're using wine |
| 09:56.41 | oskie | terr1_: software (linux) raid I presume? you aren't supposed to mount /dev/hgd1 then. probably /dev/md0 or something instead |
| 09:57.07 | zeeble | Mr_butler heh, good luck with your coming debian install, asuming you choose to use debian |
| 09:57.13 | The_Vulture | pzrael: ? why do I need anything but the actual sound to 'appreciate' music? |
| 09:57.22 | The_Vulture | I don't need extra reverb and other silly effects on the original recording |
| 09:57.28 | pzrael | The_Vulture: the only good sound is a good sounding sound |
| 09:57.35 | larrry | hey what can I use to improve my monitor's refresh rate in xfree86? |
| 09:57.39 | zeeble | pzrael using mp3blaster |
| 09:57.43 | nimbler | caphuso: right, I meant it doesn't make much sense to me mounting a directory |
| 09:57.44 | terr1_ | oskie, yeah.. but cant seem to find the right device.. dont have any mdX |
| 09:57.50 | The_Vulture | as comes from the original recording straight to my SB Live 5.1 and BA speakers.. |
| 09:57.54 | pzrael | The_Vulture: Foobar doesn't add any shitty DSP. |
| 09:57.56 | The_Vulture | what other effects do I 'need'? |
| 09:58.00 | nimbler | s/me/be |
| 09:58.07 | caphuso | nimbler: what? |
| 09:58.12 | caphuso | nimbler: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 09:58.18 | The_Vulture | pzrael: so what does one gain that makes one appreciate the music more? |
| 09:58.18 | Mr_butler | zeeble; sure i want to install debian... the only thing holding me back is the crappy installer (Why cant debian give a good installer like the other distros?) |
| 09:58.20 | zeeble | pzrael admitted, foobar2k is nice. but mp3blaster is the same. |
| 09:58.23 | pzrael | The_Vulture: www.foobar2000.com support for all any audiophiles needs :\ |
| 09:58.26 | oskie | terr1_: sounds like software RAID isn't set up correctly... or maybe it needs some additional file to work.. sorry I don't know this too well |
| 09:58.28 | The_Vulture | I'm reading it |
| 09:58.36 | The_Vulture | and you still haven't explained why |
| 09:58.44 | Mr_butler | pzrael; I use mplayer |
| 09:59.22 | zeeble | Mr_butler what has installer got to do with it? if however you want a nice auto-detection enabled installer for debian, try libranet. their installer it good. grab one of their CDs, 2.8.1 or 2.7 whichever is available and go ahead |
| 09:59.25 | The_Vulture | it supports lots of formats.. so do lots of other players.. can deal with large playlists and do lots of interesting playlisty stuff.. *shrugs* |
| 09:59.52 | zeeble | The_Vulture the good thing about foobar2k is that it is lightand easy to use |
| 10:00.03 | pzrael | The_Vulture: it's designed for usuability and audio quality. not mass marketability. its math and algorithims are better than the competitors. not only that, it's modular with many cool features :\ |
| 10:00.12 | zeeble | but then there are so many options on a *nix box |
| 10:00.16 | pzrael | The_Vulture: including built in musepack support :\ |
| 10:00.21 | Mr_butler | zeeble; Infact I believe that debian has a great future what with all commercial distros rethinking about their business strategy. I think people should opt for debian when choosing linux |
| 10:00.28 | The_Vulture | and I need this to appreciate my music why? |
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| 10:00.45 | The_Vulture | zeeble: not saying it's not a good thing, just don't see why it would be necessary to appreciate music |
| 10:01.02 | Mr_butler | zeeble; what is foobar2k? |
| 10:01.10 | l4vim | I use ALSA in 2.6.0 with OSS emulation for my AC'97 card - some programs like mpg123 works fine but not xmms (I tryed to use alsa and oss ouput plugin) |
| 10:01.28 | The_Vulture | Mr_butler: foobar2000 |
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| 10:01.37 | pzrael | The_Vulture: well, if you can appreciate your music with 2 dollar headphones and a AC97 two thimbs pu for you |
| 10:01.45 | pzrael | thumbs up for you... |
| 10:01.48 | pzrael | you'll save a lot of money =) |
| 10:01.49 | Mr_butler | The_Vulture; yeah yeah what does it do? |
| 10:01.50 | The_Vulture | pzrael: what's that got to do with foobar2k? |
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| 10:02.01 | nimbler | caphuso: I don't understand why one would ever mount a directory, i.e. it just seems weird to say "mount -t tmpfs /dev/shm /tempfs" when /dev/shm is almost nothing, why not "mount -t tmpfs /tempfs"? |
| 10:02.01 | The_Vulture | it doesn't upgrade my headphones (which are far from 2 dollars, but that's besides the point) |
| 10:02.10 | The_Vulture | nor would it change whether I was using an ac97, which I'm not |
| 10:02.14 | pzrael | The_Vulture: foobar2k is a very good front end for decoders to use :\ |
| 10:02.17 | l4vim | I read somewhere that ALSA is much better than OSS - do I need this ? or mayby it is better for advanced sound workers ? |
| 10:02.24 | holycow | *hmmm* hey is it possible to script a debian install? lets suppose that one knows what packages need to be installed and in what order, would it be possible to to script all the apps that need to be installed and all the settings that need to be setup? |
| 10:02.27 | ImPrOve | How to find a user on irc. I know his email? |
| 10:02.27 | The_Vulture | pzrael: that's nice, but I don't see how one needs it to appreciate music |
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| 10:03.05 | Zap-W | i just noticed konqueror is much faster than stinky mozilla-firebird |
| 10:03.06 | pzrael | The_Vulture: Bah you're nto following my point. |
| 10:03.14 | The_Vulture | pzrael: which is? |
| 10:03.17 | pzrael | The_Vulture: One doesnt need a ferrari to drive either. |
| 10:03.25 | oskie | Zap-W: naturally, but they don't have the same capabilities |
| 10:03.29 | zeeble | Mr_butler fine. good. |
| 10:03.36 | The_Vulture | I'm not saying it's not a nice piece of software and great and all, you just said you couldn't see how someone could appreciate music without it, which seems rather closed minded |
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| 10:03.44 | sussudio | ImPrOve: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 10:04.22 | The_Vulture | it doesn't change my sound card, or my speakers, or the recording on the CD, or the way that recording is translated into a signal.. it makes it easier to handle nice big tracklists etc, which is convenient, I don't doubt that, but I don't see how it is the difference between appreciating my CD of Camina Burana, and not.. |
| 10:04.22 | pzrael | The_Vulture: Being literal is a downfall vulture :| |
| 10:04.27 | caphuso | nimbler: hint: you can change that line to 'mount -t tmpfs /this/is/irrelevant /tmpfs' and it would still work |
| 10:04.33 | The_Vulture | pzrael: I disagree. |
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| 10:04.43 | pzrael | The_Vulture: there's a lot more to a player than that |
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| 10:05.20 | The_Vulture | pzrael: I didn't say there wasn't, but I still don't see anything that makes the difference between me listening to my CD on my nice sound card and sound system, from my nice recording.. and something else |
| 10:05.30 | zophyx | what's the name of that utility that lets you walk through /proc/kcore ? |
| 10:05.58 | zeeble | The_Vulture thanks |
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| 10:06.13 | zeeble | The_Vulture but you should thank my country for not allowing AOL in here |
| 10:06.15 | zeeble | heh |
| 10:06.20 | pzrael | The_Vulture: bah this is going nowhere. I'll just phrase myself correctly for all the literal people in the world that are baffled by sarcasm. "Foobar2k will enhance your music-listinig-experience" |
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| 10:06.41 | sussudio | my music listerine experience? |
| 10:07.11 | zeeble | pzrael so i have to install windows to enhance my music listening experience? why the heck not buy a great set of speakers and a amp? |
| 10:07.18 | pzrael | sussudio: if you can't interpret that small spelling error, i suggest you seek guidance : |
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| 10:07.33 | The_Vulture | zeeble: we have AOL, but I can't say we've had quite as much AOL-CD spam as you seem to get in the USA (well as would be indicated by the USA anti-AOL-CD backlashes) |
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| 10:07.45 | sussudio | pzrael: alternatively, you could go fuck yourself |
| 10:07.47 | pzrael | zeeble: that's why i suggested wine... |
| 10:08.05 | zeeble | pzrael are you the foobar2k coder? |
| 10:08.13 | Zap-W | oskie : what capabilites does mozilla have that konqueror dosent |
| 10:08.22 | The_Vulture | zeeble: indeed, I don't see how foobar2k can replace or alter the great or crap set of speakers, and great or crap amp |
| 10:08.23 | zeeble | if you are, then i will congratulate you, otherwise, i will put you in ignore. |
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| 10:08.26 | pzrael | zeeble: no, the foobar coder is one of the main guys behind winamp |
| 10:08.34 | zeeble | thanks. answered. |
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| 10:08.45 | The_Vulture | sure it makes the stuff surrounding listening, such as managing playlists, cd collections, etc, easier perhaps, and some other things, I Dunno, but the listening itself.. I don't think so |
| 10:09.27 | pzrael | The_Vulture: if that's how you're inclined, that's cool... |
| 10:09.41 | Pimpelhuber | Can anyone tell me how to update xchat? I am still working with 1.8.9.... |
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| 10:09.56 | The_Vulture | pzrael: I don't see what it has to do with my inclination |
| 10:10.15 | zeeble | Pimpelhuber easiest is to use a package released by your distro. otherwise download the source and follow the instructions at xchat's site |
| 10:10.15 | The_Vulture | the listening itself is still through the same speakers, the same sound card, and from the same source, regardless of whether I'm using foobar2k or not |
| 10:10.20 | pzrael | The_Vulture: Whatever floats your boat. If you prefer listining to your walkman via a 40k dollar soundsystem, that's -fine! |
| 10:10.25 | The_Vulture | if it makes the rest of it easier and nice and entertaining, great |
| 10:10.46 | The_Vulture | pzrael: that's entirely the point, foobar2k does not make the difference between a walkman and a 40k soundsystem |
| 10:10.57 | The_Vulture | if I have a walkman and I use it to play the stuff coming from foobar2k, I still hvae a walkman |
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| 10:11.12 | The_Vulture | and if I use foobar2k to drive a 40k soundsystem, it's still that too.. |
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| 10:11.53 | The_Vulture | foobar2k is not going to make one iota of difference between those two systems.. as far as I can see |
| 10:12.45 | pzrael | The_Vulture: then dont use it if you don't want to. |
| 10:12.54 | terr1_ | any1 know what the default dev for the PDC20276 ATA133 Promise Raid card is? when using 2.6.0 raid0, I can see the discs on hdX but I need the raid device so it works properly? |
| 10:13.14 | The_Vulture | whether I'm using it, or will isn't the point.. *shrugs* |
| 10:13.25 | linuxfreck | terr1_: check the output of dmesg |
| 10:13.25 | pzrael | The_Vulture: if you have a 24 bit soundcard, and you want 24 bit output, use whatever program you want that can deliver that to you |
| 10:13.52 | pzrael | The_Vulture: or if you want proper algorithims that dont reduce your sound quality, go ahead and use another program that'll reward you that |
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| 10:15.03 | The_Vulture | indeed, that's what I'm getting at.. or something |
| 10:15.35 | pzrael | terr1_: good luck, i have the same integrated POS. it's not a true raid card and you wont be able to see your stripe/mirrors as a volume |
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| 10:18.09 | caphuso | The_Vulture: http://www.foobar2000.com/FAQ.html and scroll down to the "Does foobar2000 sound better than other players?" question |
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| 10:19.24 | zeeble | caphuso heh, you too at that page? |
| 10:19.59 | The_Vulture | caphuso: thanks |
| 10:20.00 | caphuso | zeeble: wanted to check which part of the crap pzrael has been telling is actually true |
| 10:20.07 | zeeble | heh |
| 10:20.46 | terr1_ | pzrael, uhm it worked fine on 2.4.X |
| 10:20.56 | caphuso | pzrael: you really should tell the foobar2k developers that they are wrong and need to get the FAQ fixed |
| 10:21.01 | zeeble | a case of overenhusiasm |
| 10:21.07 | sussudio | blah. is there a console image viewer that doesn't use svgalib or framebuffer? |
| 10:21.15 | caphuso | sussudio: aaview |
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| 10:21.19 | PDani | hi |
| 10:21.30 | sussudio | caphuso: thanks. zgv locks up my pc hard. |
| 10:21.31 | caphuso | maybe just aview |
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| 10:21.33 | pzrael | caphuso: have i ever said that foobar2k sounds better than all players? |
| 10:21.49 | PDani | how can i listen to a netradio, which has a url like this: http://www.jazzradio.hu/jazzradio-128.m3u |
| 10:21.49 | PDani | ? |
| 10:22.14 | caphuso | 11:00 pzrael> The_Vulture: it's designed for usuability and audio quality. not |
| 10:22.14 | PDani | xmms didn't accept this url |
| 10:22.14 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.14 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.44 | sussudio | trolling for foobar. |
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| 10:23.52 | linuxfreck | PDani: download the file and open it in xmms as file |
| 10:24.33 | rdancer | PDani: mplayer? |
| 10:25.07 | oskie | apt, mplayer is also at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 10:25.11 | | oskie: okay |
| 10:25.11 | rdancer | PDani: can do *mp3, not sure about *m3u |
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| 10:25.27 | PDani | linuxfreck: oh, thx |
| 10:25.31 | PDani | it works! :) |
| 10:25.58 | bob2 | gah. |
| 10:26.04 | pzrael | sometimes the internet community can be a depressing place. i tell you all my preferred media player and you all assume i'm preaching for it. all i'm trying to do is explain to vulture WHY it can be better than <x media player> |
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| 10:26.22 | pzrael | and notice how it says most, not all sound affects are placebo. |
| 10:26.38 | oskie | pzrael: i can only agree with you |
| 10:26.47 | Crikey | fun |
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| 10:27.26 | VoX | anyone know why this is happening? /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 10:27.28 | pzrael | and only because i'm bored (and trying to figure out how to get a 98/me bootdisk without waking the parents) =) |
| 10:28.00 | Crikey | pzrael: hah |
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| 10:28.01 | Nurbs | apt, mplayer is also debianized and precompiled at http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 10:28.03 | | okay, Nurbs |
| 10:28.03 | rdancer | VoX: executable bit of the script you're attempting to run not set |
| 10:28.15 | w00ter | VoX: chmod +x file |
| 10:28.20 | zakame | hi, happy New Year! |
| 10:28.21 | VoX | bah |
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| 10:28.40 | rdancer | VoX: Their bug, not yours |
| 10:28.43 | bob2 | ~+bad interpreter |
| 10:28.45 | | [bad-interpreter] a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 10:28.46 | pzrael | oh wow, divine intervention. i just found a bootdisk in bottom of drawer :| |
| 10:28.52 | bob2 | VoX: ^ |
| 10:29.13 | zakame | is there a program that scans which other software programs are taking too much space on a hard drive? |
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| 10:29.35 | bob2 | zakame: "too much" is obviously not definable. |
| 10:29.37 | VoX | yeah i didnt make it executable.. |
| 10:29.38 | rdancer | apt: so why is the message so misleading??? |
| 10:29.40 | | I think you lost me on that one, rdancer |
| 10:29.44 | VoX | thanks guys |
| 10:29.44 | bob2 | zakame: however, look at debpigs from debian-gooides. |
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| 10:30.54 | rdancer | anyone: why is the `bad interpreter' so misleading? |
| 10:31.07 | Nurbs | rdancer: because nobody cared to rewrite it? |
| 10:31.18 | mosty | rdancer: come up with something better? |
| 10:31.47 | pzrael | aight, widnwos once again boots :\ |
| 10:31.59 | rdancer | does nobody else regard it as plainly misleading => buggy? |
| 10:32.00 | mosty | i'm looking for a filesystem that allows me to quickly find a list of files that have been changed since a particular time. anyone seen anything like that? |
| 10:32.01 | zakame | bob2 : thanks! |
| 10:32.07 | bob2 | rdancer: because no one bothered to add code to every single shell to check. |
| 10:32.18 | sussudio | seems like 2.2.25 doesn't like the 440bx chipset much. |
| 10:32.18 | bob2 | mosty: tmpfs. |
| 10:32.31 | bob2 | sussudio: nothing likes the 440bx chipset much |
| 10:32.36 | oskie | bob2: is tmpfs better at that than other filesystems? |
| 10:32.37 | mosty | bob2, i _wish_ i had enough ram to do that |
| 10:32.39 | sussudio | bob2: poor Piggy |
| 10:32.51 | mosty | oskie: tmpfs is a ramfs |
| 10:32.52 | bob2 | sussudio: feed him more penix rinds. |
| 10:33.00 | tub | what is the difference between custom made kernel and "a normal" kernel? |
| 10:33.10 | oskie | mosty: yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's faster than say ext2 |
| 10:33.17 | bob2 | oskie: it's very fast, at least for the bits in ram. |
| 10:33.23 | bob2 | oskie: it can optionally swap stuff out, iirc. |
| 10:33.37 | bob2 | oskie: if you have enough ram, tho, the "hot" files on any filesystem will be in ram, anyway. |
| 10:33.50 | Nurbs | the modutils package can be safely removed on kernel 2.6, right? |
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| 10:33.58 | mosty | bob2, i've heard of "log structured filesystems", which might almost do what i want |
| 10:34.16 | bob2 | Nurbs: just leave it. |
| 10:34.30 | bob2 | mosty: is that the same as a journalling filesystem? |
| 10:34.30 | Nurbs | heh |
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| 10:34.49 | bob2 | mosty: xfs, ext3 and reiser are all journalled. but it doesn't make metadata lookups any faster, afaik. |
| 10:34.49 | zeeble | mosty supported on linux? |
| 10:35.00 | sussudio | bob2: kernel: hda: timeout waiting for DMA hda: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } kernel: hda: DMA disabled |
| 10:35.13 | bob2 | Nurbs: one day you'll need to boot a 2.4 kernel and you'll be really pissed at yourself that you can't load modules for it. |
| 10:35.26 | bob2 | sussudio: my gateway did that to it's disk. and the replacement. |
| 10:35.39 | sussudio | bob2: buggered? |
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| 10:35.58 | bob2 | sussudio: they're on my desk, but useless afaict. |
| 10:36.11 | luser_ | sussudio: have you overclocked your pc? |
| 10:36.15 | sussudio | bob2: they seem to work with dma disabled. |
| 10:36.17 | sussudio | luser_: no. |
| 10:36.31 | mosty | bob2, i thought they were basically like a regular fs + rcs (in concept, not in execution) |
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| 10:37.01 | pjv | anyone here use Eterm? |
| 10:37.08 | bob2 | sussudio: hm, maybe the 440bx driver is buggy in dma mode? I know that my fuitsu disk would become highly corrupt if I enabled DMA and 32-bit transfers at once. |
| 10:37.10 | zeeble | pjv once in a while |
| 10:37.14 | rdancer | shellparade re silly `bad interpreter': ksh first: /bin/ksh: ./foo: cannot execute - Permission denied |
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| 10:37.30 | sussudio | bob2: i think i'll try a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:37.37 | rdancer | last bash we know why |
| 10:37.49 | rdancer | no other shell will print misleading msg |
| 10:37.55 | bob2 | rdancer: the shell would need to check for the execute bit, then check if the partition was mounted noexec, then check if the interpreter existed, then check if it was executable. |
| 10:37.57 | pjv | zeeble: whats a good setting for Eterm? |
| 10:38.08 | bob2 | mosty: hm, ok. |
| 10:38.13 | tub | do I have to build a custom kernel if I want support for some ISA net card, simple yes or no is enough |
| 10:38.51 | rdancer | bob2: or NOT TO print anything misleading: zsh: permission denied: ./foo |
| 10:38.59 | Nurbs | rdancer: file a wishlist bugreport, go fix it and hope somebody will accept it and use another shell :) |
| 10:39.13 | bob2 | tub: depends on the card, of course. |
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| 10:39.43 | rdancer | Nurbus: I did, i iirc, just it drives me nuts |
| 10:40.03 | rdancer | s/bus/bs/ |
| 10:40.08 | mosty | rdancer: it would be better if the error was more like bad interpreter "name" (reason) |
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| 10:40.30 | tub | bob2: i have smc-ultra and now I'm using it with module, but if I want a kernel support I need to build a custom one |
| 10:40.31 | Nurbs | hm, alsaconf depends on modutils. I guess that should be changed to modutils | module-init-tools |
| 10:40.35 | rdancer | mosty: there is _no_ _bad_ _interpreter_ *what*so*ever* |
| 10:41.22 | azreal | rdancer: whats wrong with bash? |
| 10:41.36 | mosty | rdancer: sure there is. not in the sense "this interpreter is naughty", but in the sense "what you told me to use an interpreter, no workie" |
| 10:41.44 | bob2 | tub: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 10:41.52 | azreal | rdancer: i would imagine that you dont understand enough of it, so therefore it is silly? |
| 10:41.53 | bob2 | rdancer: if you care, file a wishlist bug. |
| 10:41.54 | rdancer | all: ^ |
| 10:42.04 | bob2 | tub: if you have the module, why would you need a custom kernel? |
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| 10:42.19 | tub | bob2: for speed |
| 10:42.28 | bob2 | rdancer: it's an in-general thing, ranting on IRC doesn't acheive anything. |
| 10:42.32 | bob2 | tub: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
| 10:42.52 | bob2 | tub: no. |
| 10:42.52 | bob2 | tub: it's not a single byte faster. |
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| 10:42.53 | Pimpelhuber | rehi |
| 10:43.09 | tub | bob2: and besides I have 2.2 kernel and i'm upgrading to 2.6 so I think its not much more work to build a custom one |
| 10:43.13 | cog | hello, I've had some filesystem damage here, and need to restore some files. Is there a way to list packages with changed or missing files? |
| 10:43.15 | Knub | how do i check what version of debian im using? |
| 10:43.31 | streuner | Knub: cat /etc/version |
| 10:43.33 | bob2 | rdancer: well, aside from sharing the pain ;-) |
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| 10:43.36 | bob2 | cog: debsums. |
| 10:43.40 | streuner | Knub: or dpkg -l libc6 |
| 10:43.41 | bob2 | tub: /msg dpkg kp |
| 10:43.55 | bob2 | tub: or, just use a prepackaged kernel: http://master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 10:44.01 | tub | bob2: and I have now ipchains so I assume that I need to build a custom kernel to get iptables |
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| 10:44.12 | bob2 | tub: or /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 10:44.25 | bob2 | tub: getting a 2.4 kernel with iptables is trivial and doesn't require building it yourself. |
| 10:44.32 | oskie | anyone using linux with amd's 64 bit CPUs? operton/fx? no? anyone using operton/fx at all? no? i thought so. too expensive anyway. |
| 10:44.36 | bob2 | tub: you'd have a 2.4 kernel right now if you'd read the installation guide. |
| 10:44.36 | cog | bob2: hope that works. do all packages install md5sums for all files? |
| 10:44.44 | bob2 | oskie: they have their own channel. |
| 10:44.49 | bob2 | cog: no, sadly :/ |
| 10:44.50 | mosty | hi cog |
| 10:44.55 | cog | hiya mosty |
| 10:44.57 | oskie | bob2: #debian64? |
| 10:45.08 | cog | bob2: hmm. maybe that might not work so well for me :( |
| 10:45.35 | bob2 | oskie: #debian-amd64, iirc. |
| 10:45.39 | bob2 | cog: most do. |
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| 10:46.03 | cog | ah, well, worth a shot then. |
| 10:46.04 | azreal | oskie: how expensive is too expensive? |
| 10:46.40 | bob2 | you can get a single opteron with a gig of ram and hundreds of gigs of fast ide disk for << $AU3000 |
| 10:46.47 | oskie | azreal: more than $1 per 10 MHz |
| 10:46.56 | oskie | eh.. 100MHz |
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| 10:47.15 | oskie | 10 MHz |
| 10:47.31 | tub | bob2: is there a www-site which explains how to install a "normal" kernel, or it is just dpkg --install kernel-image-2.4.22-2-586tsc_2.4.22-2woody.2_i386.deb |
| 10:47.32 | bob2 | MHz don't matter. |
| 10:47.41 | bob2 | tub: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 10:47.45 | tub | ok |
| 10:47.51 | bob2 | tub: as I said earlier. also, msg dpkg htod |
| 10:47.59 | oskie | tub: that ought to be right, the dpkg command |
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| 10:48.39 | a3 | POLÝFONÝK Melodi indirdim ama bir türlü gelen mesajý açamýyorum ne yapmam gerekir bilen varmý? |
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| 10:49.04 | X-Blade | hey there |
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| 10:49.17 | X-Blade | If I don't have emacs |
| 10:49.19 | oskie | a3: speaking elvish? |
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| 10:49.26 | X-Blade | how do I edit sources.list |
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| 10:49.37 | a3 | sory |
| 10:49.39 | a3 | byé |
| 10:49.40 | caphuso | X-Blade: with another editor, obviously |
| 10:49.43 | streuner | X-Blade: with an editor? |
| 10:49.43 | IRN-Bru0772 | Hi, what can i do if i want a linebreak within a command in an shellscript? |
| 10:49.46 | peterS | X-Blade: use 'nano' for example |
| 10:49.47 | zeeble | oskie that sounds turkish |
| 10:49.48 | oskie | X-Blade: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:49.51 | X-Blade | which one is the default editor |
| 10:49.54 | X-Blade | ok |
| 10:49.55 | X-Blade | cool |
| 10:49.58 | peterS | IRN-Bru0772: end the line with \ |
| 10:50.00 | azreal | oskie: wow, $800 bux for a 2.0 Ghz, i paid $400 just a few months back for a 3Ghz p4. |
| 10:50.03 | IRN-Bru0772 | thanks |
| 10:50.17 | zeeble | the processor is'nt everything |
| 10:50.18 | Yan^ | Hello people, does sombody knows how to become "root" in the Gnome environment or in KDE environment? the docs would not teach that |
| 10:50.20 | oskie | zeeble: if only tarzeau was here... :) |
| 10:50.28 | zeeble | oskie hehe |
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| 10:50.38 | mosty | azreal: raw frequencies mean jack when comparing different architectures |
| 10:50.44 | peterS | zeeble: 'whois' seems to agree, a3 was in .tr |
| 10:50.46 | oskie | Yan^: use 'su' |
| 10:50.55 | streuner | Yan^: open a shell and run 'su' |
| 10:50.56 | azreal | mosty: i suppose |
| 10:50.59 | zeeble | peterS haha, a shot in the dark |
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| 10:51.18 | azreal | mosty: i dont know anything about amd cpu's though |
| 10:51.32 | Yan^ | oskie: "su" works in the xterm, ok, afterwards i am recognized as root under xterm, but not in the Gnome system |
| 10:51.39 | rdancer | Yan^: gnome-sudo |
| 10:51.55 | Yan^ | rdancer: sorry, what does it mean? |
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| 10:52.02 | rdancer | Yan^: apt-cache search sudo |
| 10:52.12 | streuner | !find gnome-sudo |
| 10:52.15 | dpkg | gnome-sudo: (GUI frontend to sudo), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 10:52.50 | mosty | azreal: well consider a 64 bit architecture that runs at half the frequency of a 32 bit arch, with everything else identical. they could process the same amount of data. but then, there are overheads to everything, so things get real muddled |
| 10:53.00 | X-Blade | any good deb sources ??? |
| 10:53.12 | Yan^ | rdancer: do u mea that typing gnome-sudo in the xterm would get me root in all the environment? |
| 10:53.12 | mosty | x-blade: ftp.debian.org |
| 10:53.31 | streuner | X-Blade; why, arent the debs in the mirrors not enough? |
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| 10:53.42 | streuner | !tell X-Blade about mirrors |
| 10:53.50 | caphuso | Yan^: stop thinking about stupid stuff like whatever you are trying to achieve. you do not want to become root for the complete gnome session |
| 10:53.52 | oskie | Yan^: you cannot get root in all the programs you're running without restarting them |
| 10:53.54 | rdancer | Yan^: never even *thought* about installing the package |
| 10:54.13 | LoonaTick | is there a way to check when a file was last accessed? |
| 10:54.21 | LoonaTick | (read-access) |
| 10:54.25 | Yan^ | caphuso: I just wanted to configure ppp with gnome, |
| 10:54.34 | Yan^ | and it told me"become a root" |
| 10:54.43 | Yan^ | and i did not succeed that |
| 10:54.43 | X-Blade | nope |
| 10:54.47 | X-Blade | can't get emacs |
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| 10:55.05 | streuner | LoonaTick: there is (ls), but hell you can imagine how many files would access just in one minute? |
| 10:55.10 | mosty | x-blade: something is wrong at your end, works fine for me here |
| 10:55.17 | oskie | Yan^: hm - what program are you using to configure ppp? |
| 10:55.21 | l4vim | in every FS check I have /devices/socket/fifo non-zero size - why ? |
| 10:55.28 | Pimpelhuber | I have a prob, I want to upgrade xchat from 1.8.9 to 2.0... but apt-get says that xchat and xchat-common have been kept back. What does that mean? |
| 10:55.33 | X-Blade | apt-get install emacs |
| 10:55.34 | l4vim | I'm useing ext3 |
| 10:55.35 | X-Blade | don't work |
| 10:55.39 | X-Blade | dunno why |
| 10:55.43 | LoonaTick | streuner: IT probably are a lot. But I just need to know it of 1 file |
| 10:55.45 | X-Blade | use to work for me though |
| 10:55.47 | Yan^ | oskie: in gnome there is a utility sorry i do not remember the name, probably an analog of the kppp for kde |
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| 10:56.07 | rdancer | LonnaTick: LoonaTick: man ls |
| 10:56.07 | X-Blade | and the KDE site doesn't work for me too |
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| 10:56.36 | nu11 | *off-topic*: what laptop should I buy (brand & model) which works well with linux? |
| 10:56.37 | oskie | Yan^: hm.. ok. in that case you need to log out and log in as root.. or use gnome-sudo to launch this configuration program as root (more messy) |
| 10:56.40 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 10:56.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:56.58 | KudoBoi | what is the latest debian version? |
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| 10:57.10 | sussudio | KudoBoi: 5 |
| 10:57.12 | nu11 | sid / hurd |
| 10:57.12 | Nurbs | KudoBoi: check www.debian.org |
| 10:57.12 | mosty | kudoboi: look on the website |
| 10:57.14 | Yan^ | oskie: how do I login as root under gnome?? |
| 10:57.16 | peterS | KudoBoi: released - 3.0r2. |
| 10:57.16 | streuner | KudoBoi: you can get some 3.2beta debs |
| 10:57.21 | caphuso | Yan^: you don't |
| 10:57.25 | KudoBoi | my version says 2.2.5, is that the latest? |
| 10:57.25 | Yan^ | i oskie: i did not succeed that either |
| 10:57.37 | LoonaTick | rdancer: I can only find modification times there. I need the access times, like read-access, etc. Do you know that? |
| 10:57.42 | Yan^ | caphuso: d u mean it is impossible? |
| 10:57.51 | oskie | caphuso: well how are you supposed to start the ppp config program as root? |
| 10:58.04 | caphuso | Yan^: impossible if you have some commone sense left |
| 10:58.12 | oskie | caphuso: stop talking lik ethat |
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| 10:58.24 | caphuso | oskie: tons of ways... use sudo or su are probably the most favorite ones |
| 10:58.58 | oskie | caphuso: it's just f***ing stupid.. why make a GUI program that requires root privilegies then now provide a way for the program to be launched with root privilegies? |
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| 10:59.15 | oskie | s/now/not/ |
| 10:59.27 | Nurbs | use su or sudo... |
| 10:59.31 | Yan^ | oskie: that is indeed rather strange that is why i am asking |
| 10:59.33 | Nurbs | or ksu or... |
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| 10:59.37 | caphuso | oskie: because they don't need to have one, there's already su and sudo available |
| 10:59.37 | NeoZiX | hello |
| 10:59.39 | bancus | I just enable "Log in as root" for GDM. |
| 11:00.03 | Yan^ | bancus: where do u enable tis? |
| 11:00.18 | sussudio | ~punish debian for setting the default gcc to 3.3 |
| 11:00.26 | | ACTION bludgeons debian with a 50-lb. Unix manual for setting the default gcc to 3.3 |
| 11:00.26 | oskie | caphuso: so people are supposed to know that in order to start this program, you have to open a terminal, type in su -c "ppp-config-whatever", type in root password, keep the terminal open till the command has finished, etc? |
| 11:00.41 | bancus | Yan^, in the GDM config panel |
| 11:01.02 | Nurbs | oskie: any sysadmin should know that, yes. |
| 11:01.08 | Segers_J | Yan^: logging into a gui as root is highly discouraged. Get a terminal, su to root, run whatever program, or (if you've set it up) sudo program. |
| 11:01.09 | caphuso | oskie: no, they probably can just use the "run as root" checkbox thing in the run dialog of the gnome or kde menu |
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| 11:01.33 | oskie | Nurbs: you shouldn't need to be a sysadmin to configure ppp... this is desktop end users coming from Windows XP we're talking about, not professional sysadmins like us! |
| 11:01.35 | Yan^ | ok, people, thanks a lot for the help |
| 11:01.39 | Nurbs | :) |
| 11:01.48 | bancus | Nurbs, not everyone is a sysadmin, nor should they need to be. |
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| 11:01.57 | naren | Hello, When we lock our X, its still possible to go to the terminal using Ctrl-Alt-F1/F2/... How do I avoid this one? |
| 11:02.08 | mosty | oskie: windows doesn't allow regular users to setup network connections |
| 11:02.13 | Nurbs | bancus: true, but I wouldn't recommend Linux to some average desktop user nowadays, I have to admit. |
| 11:02.29 | rdancer | how can i get those messages apt and dpkg spew now and then here? |
| 11:02.29 | oskie | mosty: regular users according to windows are members of the administrators group :P |
| 11:02.35 | rdancer | all of them |
| 11:02.39 | caphuso | linux works just fine as desktop system for any kind of user |
| 11:02.44 | mosty | naren: i believe that's an argument to xlock/whatever you lock X with |
| 11:02.58 | caphuso | it starts to get problematic if dumb users start to play admin |
| 11:02.58 | mosty | oskie: only on XP, and quite stupidly so |
| 11:03.01 | bancus | naren, I believe there is an option in inittab to lock those terminals. Ultimately, you could remove the console lines from inittab if you don't need them. |
| 11:03.07 | oskie | mosty: yeah, agreed |
| 11:03.14 | bancus | rather, lock those buttons |
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| 11:03.18 | caphuso | naren: you can tell the X server to disable console switching |
| 11:03.24 | rich_ | hello |
| 11:03.25 | bancus | (but I'm probably remembering wrong) |
| 11:03.31 | bancus | that's the one, the X config |
| 11:03.34 | holycow | python-fu? heh gimp now has a python extension for writing plugins |
| 11:03.36 | holycow | sweet :) |
| 11:03.43 | naren | bancus, I will still need one terminal to "startx" .. one can change the terminal to that .. and kill X |
| 11:03.49 | bancus | holycow, it's had it for a couple years at least, I'm yretty sure |
| 11:03.51 | NeoZiX | I've a stupid question... does everybody know why forzen-bubble don't start even I installed it using apt-get ? maybe broken ? |
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| 11:03.56 | rdancer | naren: xdm |
| 11:03.56 | rich_ | How can I dump a mysql database to a backup-file |
| 11:04.00 | rich_ | ? |
| 11:04.01 | bancus | naren, you can't install GDM or something? |
| 11:04.04 | naren | caphuso, I am not aware of that? |
| 11:04.14 | caphuso | naren: now you are? |
| 11:04.27 | Nurbs | caphuso: do you know if there is a "run as root" checkbox thing in gnome? just wondering given that you've said that there probably is one... |
| 11:04.30 | rdancer | capusho: console switching : how? |
| 11:04.43 | mosty | rich: postgres has a script called pg_dump that does that, mysql must have something similar, check mysql-doc |
| 11:04.52 | caphuso | the dontvtswitch option, or something similar sounding |
| 11:04.59 | holycow | bancus, as i'm learning, before asking 'only if a,b or c was available on linux' heavy heavy googling is a prerequisite :) |
| 11:05.05 | cog | my gnome's run dialog doesn't have run as root :( |
| 11:05.21 | caphuso | cog: does it have a run as different user thing? |
| 11:05.29 | bancus | heh, indeed |
| 11:05.38 | bancus | it's neat too |
| 11:05.47 | bancus | it can use extensions written in scheme |
| 11:05.50 | naren | caphuso, Where does that option .. to stop terminal switching? |
| 11:05.51 | bancus | and back and forth |
| 11:05.52 | holycow | ah yeah? |
| 11:05.54 | rich_ | mosty thanks |
| 11:05.56 | holycow | cool :) |
| 11:06.09 | caphuso | naren: in XF86Config-4... where else do you set options for the X server? |
| 11:06.11 | bancus | they use some method to translate calls made back and forth |
| 11:06.17 | holycow | i've got python on my to-do list this just adds incentive :) |
| 11:06.21 | holycow | *nod* |
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| 11:06.27 | cog | caphuso, no. |
| 11:06.36 | bancus | when you ask gimp to run an extension, it calls it abstractly, so it could be in C, Python or Scheme (maybe more by now) |
| 11:06.54 | bancus | from any of those languages to any |
| 11:07.02 | bancus | I really like the way they did it. |
| 11:07.18 | caphuso | wow, no wonder gnome lost the desktop battle |
| 11:07.20 | holycow | your kidding? |
| 11:07.25 | holycow | wow v v powerfull |
| 11:07.45 | jetscreamer | lost to what |
| 11:07.51 | caphuso | jetscreamer: KDE |
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| 11:08.04 | rich_ | Thanks everyone. bbl |
| 11:08.14 | holycow | caph, i hate gnome but the battle aint over until the fat lady sings :) |
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| 11:08.26 | holycow | i wouldnt call them out just yet :) |
| 11:09.14 | caphuso | it's over. KDE released 3.0 which sucked by kinda worked (in a wicked way), plus it looked pretty. gnome 2.x is still unfinished crap |
| 11:09.32 | bancus | you're nuts |
| 11:09.40 | bancus | but I'd rather not get in a flame war |
| 11:09.45 | bancus | off to play some games |
| 11:09.47 | Nurbs | caphuso: Indeed. Gnome tries to be intuitive and user-friendly, but you can't even drag folders around in Nautilus tree view. If a directory is updated while you edit a file name the input box focus is lost and the file is renamed to what you have typed in so far. Etc... |
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| 11:10.10 | holycow | hehe bancus :) ttyl |
| 11:10.17 | Segers_J | rdancer: apt has a factoid about where you can download its factoid database, /msg apt your factoids (sorry it took so long, I couldn't remember and had to poke around a while) |
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| 11:10.23 | naren | caphuso, thanks |
| 11:10.41 | kerpal | Sigh: if I want to sed -e s/"/'/g filename any idea on whats the best gimmick to do that? |
| 11:10.42 | X-Blade | how to ignore a line in nano |
| 11:10.55 | Nurbs | ignore? |
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| 11:11.08 | X-Blade | like rem deb .... |
| 11:11.12 | X-Blade | something like that |
| 11:11.35 | Nurbs | you mean ignore in a shell script...? |
| 11:11.35 | StanTheMan | I'm not sure what's changed, but for some reason I can't hit my squirrelmail login page via url, but can buy IP. Any ideas? |
| 11:11.40 | papipro | there is any app to count letters of a file? |
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| 11:11.45 | Nurbs | X-Blade: comment out? |
| 11:11.48 | StanTheMan | by ip that is |
| 11:11.51 | X-Blade | mmmm |
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| 11:11.56 | cog | papipro, wc |
| 11:12.00 | X-Blade | just don't want it to execute the line |
| 11:12.06 | X-Blade | in sources.list |
| 11:12.14 | Nurbs | read sources.list help |
| 11:12.14 | holycow | just add # infront of the line |
| 11:12.16 | Segers_J | X-Blade: depends on what will be reading the file in question, in bash, comments start with # |
| 11:12.20 | holycow | comment it out |
| 11:12.26 | X-Blade | ok |
| 11:12.28 | X-Blade | cool |
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| 11:12.39 | Nurbs | as "man sources.list" says :) |
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| 11:12.44 | kerpal | How do I address quoutes and double quotes with sed? Anyone? |
| 11:12.55 | caphuso | kerpal: by using ' and " |
| 11:13.15 | Nurbs | kerpal: the problem in question is probably bash, not sed. |
| 11:13.20 | papipro | cog: i want to see how many repetitions each word has... |
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| 11:13.28 | rdancer | caphuso: novtswitch: commandline: no; XF86Config-4: no; grep -drecurse -i switch /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/|grep -e vt -e term: nothing usable. |
| 11:13.53 | papipro | cog this wc counts only letters right? i want to see a table of the repetitins |
| 11:13.57 | grzyw_ | Erm. Why is the latest OpenSSH's version in woody 3.4? ;\ |
| 11:14.04 | papipro | cog repetitins = repetitions |
| 11:14.16 | cog | papipro, ok. can't help you there. |
| 11:14.19 | caphuso | rdancer: it's dontvtswitch |
| 11:14.36 | w00ter | papipro: then you need to write a frequency analyser |
| 11:14.55 | rdancer | caphuso: searched for `switch', anyway. Where should it be set? |
| 11:14.56 | caphuso | grzyw_: erm. because that was the current openssh release when woody was frozen |
| 11:14.58 | holycow | would anyone know if the kpackage manager works "with" the apt system or outside of it? i.e. will apt recognize any changes made from kpackage? |
| 11:14.59 | Segers_J | grzyw_: because stable only gets bugfixes afaik. |
| 11:15.12 | papipro | w00ter: thats what i want! there is something done already? |
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| 11:15.18 | papipro | w00ter: any know app? |
| 11:15.22 | grzyw_ | So, is this the secure version, then? |
| 11:15.23 | papipro | cog ok, thanks |
| 11:15.23 | caphuso | rdancer: same place you set all other X server options |
| 11:15.36 | mosty | Segers_J: just security fixes, not any old bug fixes |
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| 11:15.44 | rdancer | caphuso: XF86Config you mean? |
| 11:15.46 | grzyw_ | Latest openssh is 3.7.x |
| 11:15.55 | caphuso | grzyw_: no, it's the patented debian special version with all crypto stuff removed and thus not secure at all</sarcasm> |
| 11:16.03 | Segers_J | mosty: thank you. I stand corrected. |
| 11:16.04 | grzyw_ | caphuso: [; |
| 11:16.10 | caphuso | grzyw_: do you have any sane questions to ask? |
| 11:16.10 | cog | papipro: that sounds a lot like a programming assignment i did last year, though :) |
| 11:16.31 | papipro | cog do you have it? |
| 11:16.41 | cog | nope, sorry |
| 11:16.45 | Nurbs | grzyw_: it's got patches included for all the known security bugs. |
| 11:16.48 | papipro | =/ |
| 11:16.54 | grzyw_ | Nurbs: uh, ok, thanks. |
| 11:16.58 | rdancer | caphuso: grepped for it in the manpage. It's not there. |
| 11:17.01 | mosty | papipro: that is essentially what compression programs do |
| 11:17.08 | Nurbs | grzyw_: if you're using security lines in your sources.list at least |
| 11:17.13 | mosty | well, some forms of compression programs |
| 11:17.15 | papipro | mosty: what you mean? |
| 11:17.15 | grzyw_ | Nurbs: yes I do. |
| 11:17.26 | caphuso | rdancer: in what man page? |
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| 11:17.40 | mosty | papipro: calculating the frequencies of prefixes in files |
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| 11:17.52 | rdancer | caphuso XF86Config-4(5x), what else? |
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| 11:18.16 | mattgy | any ideas why gtk-font-name in .gtkrc-2.0 isn't working? font sizes remain the same.. |
| 11:18.25 | papipro | mosty: ahh, thats new for me =] |
| 11:18.28 | w00ter | papipro: its a common programming assigment and very easy, i did it one line with perl.. |
| 11:18.34 | rdancer | caphuso man XF86Config-4(5x)|col -b |grep switch |
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| 11:18.45 | rdancer | caphuso: nothing useful |
| 11:18.47 | papipro | w00ter: do you have this line? =] |
| 11:18.52 | w00ter | papipro: yes thanks |
| 11:19.20 | zazz | how can i load lithuanian keymap in xfree86 4.3? |
| 11:19.27 | rdancer | caphuso: of course it is possible to lock out a keyboard under X but did anyone do it before? |
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| 11:19.42 | rdancer | caphuso: that is the question |
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| 11:19.51 | holycow | bind9 is used as a dns server and therefore isnt necessary on a workstation, correct? |
| 11:19.51 | papipro | w00ter: could paste it in pvt pleasE? |
| 11:19.54 | zazz | i set XkbLayout "lt" in config file |
| 11:20.06 | zazz | and get this error: Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
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| 11:21.20 | bob2 | mattgy: use switch2. |
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| 11:21.26 | iscsi | holycow: if you want to escape the verisign hell, you should take bind |
| 11:21.31 | bob2 | holycow: it can cache lookups for you on a workstation. |
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| 11:21.56 | holycow | ah, oki. danke :) |
| 11:22.28 | holycow | :D |
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| 11:23.49 | holycow | would it be possible to script a debian install process? say have a base install startup perhaps a bash script which would install and uninstall all components and setup configurations in the right order? |
| 11:23.51 | StanTheMan | anyone have any idea why I can't hit my squirrelmail page via URL now, but can via IP address? I haven't changed anything in my apache config since the last time I successfully used squirrel.... |
| 11:23.53 | tub | leave #debian thanks for help bob2 |
| 11:23.55 | cog | doesn't make sense on a workstation. your isp probably has a much larger cache of lookups anyhow. |
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| 11:24.11 | holycow | cog, good point |
| 11:24.25 | Nurbs | the ISP has a larger latency, too |
| 11:24.32 | bob2 | cog: yes, but your local cache has zero latency |
| 11:24.33 | StanTheMan | and it's not a DNS issue, as I can hit my main page via URL, just not the squirrelmail page |
| 11:24.45 | holycow | okay thats an even better point :) heh |
| 11:24.46 | bob2 | run a dns cache on your network, and notice how much faster looks up are. |
| 11:24.51 | Nurbs | you might want to try some caching-only dns server, too, such as djbdns' dnscache or pdnsd |
| 11:24.52 | bob2 | it's even noticable over dialup |
| 11:24.58 | cog | zero latency doesn't matter much if what you're looking for isn't in the cache. |
| 11:25.01 | Segers_J | hahahahaha, man /dev/random didn't do what I was expecting. what's the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
| 11:25.17 | Nurbs | cog: very often the information will be in-cache, though :) |
| 11:25.43 | Vicious | /dev/random is user generated randomness, /dev/urandom takes that added some more salt and shit in |
| 11:25.57 | Nurbs | Segers_J: man 4 random |
| 11:25.58 | StanTheMan | anyone? |
| 11:26.07 | peterS | Segers_J: /dev/random refuses to give you more randomness than it thinks it has collected from various system sources. |
| 11:26.08 | caphuso | Segers_J: man 4 random |
| 11:26.10 | strider_ | how do i set up my sound card ? |
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| 11:26.25 | caphuso | strider_: /msg dpkg audio |
| 11:26.31 | peterS | Segers_J: /dev/urandom is a PRNG that will spit out pseudo-random bytes until the end of time. the actual randomness contained therein is not really guaranteed |
| 11:26.54 | naren | strider_, first get to know ur sound card --> "lspci" |
| 11:27.04 | Segers_J | Nurbs: peterS: caphuso: thanks, reading. |
| 11:27.21 | peterS | Segers_J: the difference is the kernel's internal accounting of how much randomness it has stored up in the random pools. /dev/random never goes over that estimate. |
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| 11:27.54 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.58 | peterS | yes |
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| 11:28.53 | peterS | I would recommend /dev/urandom for almost all purposes. unless and until someone breaks SHA-1, or figures out a way to completely compromise the kernel random number pool somehow, /dev/urandom is just as strong |
| 11:29.23 | noam | anybody has an original name for a computer? :) |
| 11:29.34 | peterS | noam: hal |
| 11:29.39 | w00ter | noam: 32-04hlksdjlkjs9809sdfs |
| 11:29.51 | bob2 | noam: my gateway is called qualms. |
| 11:29.52 | noam | w00ter: exacly what I had in mind |
| 11:29.56 | bob2 | I thought it sounded cool. |
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| 11:30.50 | caphuso | i renamed my hostname to caphuso, which turned out to be a bad idea, but now i'm too lazy to change it again :-/ |
| 11:30.52 | strider_ | ok |
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| 11:30.59 | rdancer | how to remount,rw a errors=remount-ro filesystem ... remounted readonly in multiuser |
| 11:31.01 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:31.19 | mz | hello |
| 11:31.27 | noam | ola |
| 11:31.33 | mz | I have big problems installing gcc, http://tnx.nl/1999CSZI - can anybody help me? |
| 11:31.44 | peterS | rdancer: if it registered errors and remounted ro, are you sure you *want* to remount rw? better to fsck, reboot, and try to figure out whether it's hardware or software |
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| 11:32.52 | StanTheMan | please help |
| 11:32.53 | peterS | mz: hmmm. are your apt sources consistent? it looks like they're not, somehow |
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| 11:33.08 | w00ter | mz: tried using aptitude or dselect? |
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| 11:33.21 | peterS | ~depends gcc sid |
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| 11:33.43 | Vandalite | uhh anyone here know about vmware4? |
| 11:33.48 | peterS | ~info cpp sid |
| 11:33.53 | strider_ | i have via ac97 auto controller so i added ac97 condec in mondconf |
| 11:34.01 | rdancer | peterS: it happened few weeks ago, and i wasn't able to remount,rw. I had to reboot. The disk has badblocks, no big deal |
| 11:34.04 | strider_ | then added strider to the audio group |
| 11:34.08 | strider_ | still no sound :( |
| 11:34.13 | strider_ | kde gives me this error |
| 11:34.15 | mz | w00ter: nope, I dislike dselect |
| 11:34.16 | strider_ | device not found |
| 11:34.21 | mz | peterS: hmm |
| 11:34.54 | peterS | mz: such a straightforward dependency tree - why would it not know where cpp was? that's what makes me think the apt sources are whacked somehow |
| 11:34.59 | zeeble | is there a howto out there for Oracle config on Debian? |
| 11:35.15 | mz | peterS: http://tnx.nl/2000XDYT those are my apt-sources |
| 11:35.21 | peterS | mz: you can try 'apt-get install gcc cpp gcc-3.3 cpp-3.3' to see if it finds them all |
| 11:35.59 | peterS | ~info cpp sarge |
| 11:36.11 | noam | I think I'd call my box elinor :P |
| 11:36.37 | mz | peterS: cpp-3.3: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.3) but 1:3.3.3-0pre1 is to be installed |
| 11:36.48 | mz | I appended gcc-3.3-base too |
| 11:36.49 | Vandalite | i have this strange problem with debain (current stable release) and vmware4. for some reason i cannot mount the cdrom because it doesn't seem to exist in the /dev dir. |
| 11:36.54 | zeeble | mz what's with those plp extensions? |
| 11:36.55 | peterS | mz: that would explain the original error. but that error itself is a bit of a mystery |
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| 11:37.05 | zeeble | mz and what is scribble? |
| 11:37.08 | mz | zeeble: mod_perl |
| 11:37.15 | bob2 | Vandalite: so make it, /dev/cdrom is just a symlink to the actual device node. |
| 11:37.16 | zeeble | mz neat |
| 11:37.18 | mz | zeeble: something like pastbin.org |
| 11:37.33 | codyb81 | i cannot access /cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi on my default install of apache. I've enabled the cgi-bin lines, and havn't tampered with the file settings. |
| 11:37.40 | codyb81 | i'm getting a 403 |
| 11:37.41 | mz | peterS: could it be caused because of having both stable and testing apt-sources? |
| 11:37.52 | Vandalite | bob2 - the /dev/cdrom entry doesn't exist. |
| 11:37.57 | peterS | mz: yes, I think it could be. comment out the stable ones and 'apt-get update', I guess |
| 11:38.02 | bob2 | Vandalite: so make it. |
| 11:38.03 | strider_ | peterS: i got grub working :) |
| 11:38.04 | mz | let me try |
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| 11:38.08 | bob2 | codyb81: is it executable? |
| 11:38.12 | Vandalite | bob2 -- you lost me. |
| 11:38.25 | bob2 | Vandalite: /dev/cdrom is just a symlink to the actual device node. |
| 11:38.31 | codyb81 | it's a soft link to another file... |
| 11:38.32 | peterS | strider_: that's always good to hear. are you the one who had trouble with /dev/hde not being a bios drive, or something? |
| 11:38.36 | mz | peterS: nope, did not help |
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| 11:38.51 | codyb81 | yea, the linked file is +x |
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| 11:39.13 | codyb81 | i'm getting a "you dont have permission to execute this file" error |
| 11:39.14 | mz | and I can't deinstall gcc-3.3-base, it will remove my mta/httpd/etc. |
| 11:39.19 | codyb81 | not a "cannot execute this file" |
| 11:39.33 | bob2 | codyb81: duh, is it executable by EVEYRONE? |
| 11:39.37 | codyb81 | yes |
| 11:39.39 | mz | codyb81: incorrect hashbang? |
| 11:39.41 | strider_ | peterS: no my problem was LILO messing up for me |
| 11:39.43 | strider_ | anyways |
| 11:39.46 | codyb81 | 755 |
| 11:39.48 | strider_ | all working now :) |
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| 11:39.59 | peterS | strider_: heh. good |
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| 11:39.59 | mz | codyb81: head -1 script, what does it say? |
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| 11:40.16 | codyb81 | #!/usr/bin/perl -T |
| 11:40.21 | strider_ | i have via ac97 auto controller so i added ac97 condec in modconf, is that all i need to do in modconf to get sound working ? |
| 11:40.21 | codyb81 | it's analog |
| 11:40.24 | codyb81 | it's installed by default. |
| 11:40.27 | mz | codyb81: ls -al /usr/bin/perl, does it exist? |
| 11:40.29 | strider_ | condec = codec |
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| 11:40.37 | peterS | strider_: no, the via controller is the driver "via82cxxx_audio". |
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| 11:40.40 | codyb81 | yes |
| 11:40.40 | codyb81 | it does |
| 11:40.44 | strider_ | oh |
| 11:40.47 | codyb81 | i've already checked these things. |
| 11:40.57 | peterS | strider_: the fact that it's AC'97 is a detail you shouldn't have to worry about - it will load the "ac97_codec" module automatically |
| 11:40.58 | mz | codyb81: and running it with: perl -T script.pl ? |
| 11:41.01 | codyb81 | i've narrowed it down to something in the httpd.conf |
| 11:41.04 | mz | does that work? |
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| 11:41.16 | codyb81 | yea, it works |
| 11:41.22 | codyb81 | outputs html |
| 11:41.25 | codyb81 | like it's supposed to |
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| 11:41.33 | Vandalite | ok, i'm not up to par with the naming conventions used in the /dev folder... assuming the cdrom is on IDE0:0, which file should i link to with cdrom? |
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| 11:41.39 | codyb81 | mz: i've narrowed it down to apache's issue... not system issue |
| 11:41.47 | peterS | Vandalite: /dev/cdrom -> hda |
| 11:41.51 | Vandalite | ok |
| 11:41.53 | word | Im trying to clear apache log files from a script, Im rm'ing the file and restarting apache so it recreates file and writes again, sometime it doesn't recreate/log to file. Im guessing it still trying to write to old inode and its not there |
| 11:41.59 | lorenzo | hi need help with samba+cups |
| 11:42.01 | codyb81 | Options ExecCGI |
| 11:42.01 | codyb81 | Order allow,deny |
| 11:42.01 | codyb81 | Allow from all |
| 11:42.05 | strider_ | peterS: installation of that driver fails |
| 11:42.15 | word | Anyone know what I can do to clear apache log files? |
| 11:42.17 | holycow | new worm spreads via msn messenger |
| 11:42.18 | codyb81 | i have that in the <directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin> directive |
| 11:42.18 | holycow | heh |
| 11:42.22 | holycow | ms just cant get a break |
| 11:42.22 | caphuso | !tell h2k about away |
| 11:42.25 | lorenzo | my winxp client says that it's impossible to see the printer |
| 11:42.25 | peterS | strider_: via82cxxx_audio? hmmm. what does the following command say?: |
| 11:42.35 | peterS | strider_: lspci -n | awk '/ 04/{print $4}' |
| 11:42.39 | bob2 | h2k: turn that off. |
| 11:42.44 | h2k | ok |
| 11:42.44 | sussudio | ~tell h2k about away |
| 11:43.01 | peterS | strider_: should report a 1106:xxxx of some sort |
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| 11:43.18 | strider_ | hmm1106:3059 |
| 11:43.21 | strider_ | 1106:3059 |
| 11:43.52 | peterS | strider_: yeah, that's supported by via82cxxx_audio. what kernel version do you have? |
| 11:43.58 | Vandalite | thanks. that solved it for me. |
| 11:43.59 | codyb81 | AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .sh .pl |
| 11:44.03 | codyb81 | i have that in there too |
| 11:44.06 | strider_ | 3.0 r2 |
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| 11:44.31 | peterS | strider_: kernel version, not Debian version. probably 2.2.20 or 2.4.18. via82cxxx_audio only exists in kernel 2.4 |
| 11:44.53 | peterS | strider_: but 2.4.18 appears to support your audio chip, so it's not a matter of upgrading to a newer 2.4 kernel |
| 11:45.26 | strider_ | it says device may bebusy |
| 11:45.28 | mz | hmm I installed gcc-3.2, seems to work, but now I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 11:45.45 | word | Anyone know how I could truncate a file to zero? |
| 11:45.50 | StanTheMan | anyone have any idea why I can't hit my squirrelmail page via URL now, but can via IP address? I haven't changed anything in my apache config since the last time I successfully used squirrel.... |
| 11:45.52 | peterS | word: :> filename |
| 11:45.54 | strider_ | hmm |
| 11:45.56 | StanTheMan | and it's not a DNS issue, as I can hit my main page via URL, just not the squirrelmail page |
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| 11:46.02 | mz | as packages.debian.org is down I can't check in what packages crt1.o is... does anybody know this? |
| 11:46.17 | strider_ | how do start a new shell as root ? |
| 11:46.21 | caphuso | mz: libc6-dev, and read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 11:46.24 | caphuso | strider_: su |
| 11:46.31 | word | peteS: I need it done in a find and that doesn't seem to work |
| 11:46.32 | peterS | strider_: check your existing modules, make sure you don't already have something loaded that looks like it's handling audio in some way. but this is puzzling - that doesn't seem to be your problem |
| 11:46.38 | bob2 | mz: install build-essential |
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| 11:46.58 | Mr_butler | hi |
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| 11:47.22 | strider_ | peteS would you check the output in #flood ? |
| 11:47.24 | peterS | REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED HAT 6.2 HAS LANDED! |
| 11:47.36 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:47.44 | Mr_butler | peterS; loooooooool |
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| 11:47.48 | rdancer | lol |
| 11:47.48 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite peterS |
| 11:47.52 | | ACTION smites peterS with a pair of mangos |
| 11:48.03 | peterS | thanks, sussudio, I needed that |
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| 11:49.18 | KudoBoi | where do i download nvidia-glx from? |
| 11:49.20 | Vandalite | ok, one last question for you. how do i get a list of the installed packages so i know what to pass to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:49.47 | bob2 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep "^ii" |
| 11:49.51 | Mr_butler | peterS; Now i am using debian |
| 11:50.06 | bob2 | the quotes are because zsh's ExtendeGlob option is an alias for RetardedDefaults |
| 11:50.10 | peterS | Mr_butler: hehe |
| 11:50.38 | Mr_butler | peterS; Now dont tell me hurd is better ;) |
| 11:50.57 | peterS | Mr_butler: don't worry about *that*. (: |
| 11:51.14 | Mr_butler | peterS; about *what* |
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| 11:51.40 | peterS | Mr_butler: me recommending the hurd. I don't think I'll ever do that |
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| 11:51.58 | cage | is there a tool to probe my eth0? |
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| 11:52.21 | word | s/eth0/anal |
| 11:52.42 | Mr_butler | peterS; see you got to run. bye |
| 11:53.13 | cage | yeah |
| 11:53.15 | cage | ... |
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| 11:53.41 | peterS | cage: you can install 'discover' which I believe checks for that type of stuff |
| 11:54.01 | w00ter | mii-tool |
| 11:54.08 | peterS | cage: or you can just run the following: lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' |
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| 11:54.32 | peterS | cage: that'll print out some numbers and I can probably tell you what driver to use based on that |
| 11:54.37 | strider_ | kernel-image-2.4.16-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.16 on 386. |
| 11:54.39 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:54.46 | bob2 | strider_: don't use that. |
| 11:54.55 | strider_ | why not ? |
| 11:55.03 | ludwig | isn't it vulnerable? |
| 11:55.08 | bob2 | ludwig: yes |
| 11:55.13 | bob2 | strider_: it has two local root exploits. |
| 11:55.14 | ludwig | to that brk() kernel bug |
| 11:55.17 | w00ter | because it's ancient |
| 11:55.21 | bob2 | ludwig: and ptrace |
| 11:55.23 | w00ter | and ptrace |
| 11:55.24 | ludwig | ouch |
| 11:55.26 | strider_ | i need to upgrade kernel because of problems with sound driver |
| 11:55.32 | bob2 | strider_: and a bunch of DOS vulnerabilities. |
| 11:55.43 | strider_ | 2.2.20 will not do |
| 11:55.45 | bob2 | so upgrade it. |
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| 11:55.50 | bob2 | 2.4.1 is a horrible coice. |
| 11:55.51 | strider_ | right |
| 11:55.56 | bob2 | strider_: /msg dpkg real kernel |
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| 11:56.03 | w00ter | 2.4.18 is ok in woody |
| 11:56.17 | w00ter | well 2.4.18-1-14 or whatever it is |
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| 11:56.36 | goro | $B$O$8$a$^$7$F!<(B |
| 11:56.36 | modconf | goro: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:56.48 | mclito | Hello people, i'm using sid (wow cool) anyway I upgraded from sid, im still keeping old woody kernel (bf24) , anyway, i want to switch to devfs, and i wanted to ask the "right way to do it aka "debian way"" , or is better to upgrade kernel ? thanks |
| 11:56.52 | goro | $B$d$[!<(B |
| 11:56.52 | modconf | no idea, goro |
| 11:56.58 | goro | $B$o$$$o$$(B |
| 11:56.58 | modconf | goro: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:56.59 | strider_ | kernel-image-2.4.18-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 on 386. |
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| 11:57.06 | strider_ | is that OK ? |
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| 11:57.14 | goro | bye |
| 11:57.15 | strider_ | i am using amd Xp 2100+ |
| 11:57.19 | bob2 | goro: this is an english-only channel |
| 11:57.21 | cage | peterS: 10de:01c3 |
| 11:57.29 | bob2 | mclito: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 11:57.44 | bob2 | mclito: install that and add "devfs=mount" to your kernel command line. |
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| 11:57.52 | strider_ | i need confirmation b4 i dare install that kernel:) |
| 11:58.01 | LasseL | once sarge is released, will sid be testing then |
| 11:58.05 | vibey | anyone use apache-ssl ? (the package) |
| 11:58.50 | peterS | cage: hmmm. nvidia something or other. |
| 11:58.51 | sussudio | ~tell vibey about polls |
| 11:58.53 | bob2 | strider_: that looks good. |
| 11:58.57 | peterS | cage: I don't see driver support anywhere in 2.4. still looking... |
| 11:59.04 | strider_ | ok |
| 11:59.07 | mclito | bob2, thanks, i had some conficts before trying to upgrade the kernel like modules dependencies and suff, any after-installingNewKernel steps ?? |
| 11:59.08 | bob2 | LasseL: no, sid will always be unstable. |
| 11:59.19 | peterS | cage: nor in 2.6.0 for that matter |
| 11:59.20 | bob2 | strider_: assuming it's from security.debian.org. |
| 11:59.27 | cage | :'( |
| 11:59.37 | bob2 | mclito: just install Debian kernel-image packages and it will all Just Work. |
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| 11:59.45 | peterS | cage: ah - it's the NForce ethernet chip. I don't think current kernels have drivers for that |
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| 12:00.12 | peterS | cage: IIRC, marcelo *might* have merged a driver into 2.4.24-pre1, but I don't have that tree handy |
| 12:00.14 | mclito | bob2, every exepct my winmodem modules :P |
| 12:00.24 | LasseL | so the next testing will be a branch of sarge or sid ? |
| 12:00.27 | bob2 | mclito: then build that against the new kernel. |
| 12:00.35 | mclito | bob2, no fuxx in recompiling them , yep |
| 12:00.39 | mclito | fuzz* |
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| 12:01.01 | mclito | bob2, thanks for the help |
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| 12:01.02 | caphuso | LasseL: a branch of sarge that's going to get incrementally upgraded from sid |
| 12:01.23 | peterS | cage: hold on a second and let me check the 2.4.24-pre series... |
| 12:01.32 | cage | peterS :) |
| 12:01.35 | doublehp | Hello ; what is the command to convert an ext2 partition into ext3 ? |
| 12:01.42 | shaddai | tunefs |
| 12:01.45 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: tune2fs |
| 12:01.48 | cafuego | doublehp: tune2fs -j /dev/hdxy |
| 12:01.52 | bob2 | doublehp: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 12:02.16 | mclito | bob2, is there anyway to see all the help topics dpkg bot can offer ? , cause i also wanna know the right way of installing new fonts |
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| 12:02.54 | strider_ | shall i do apt-get install, what happens to the old kernel |
| 12:03.00 | bob2 | mclito: not really :/ |
| 12:03.02 | doublehp | thanks dondelelcaro cafuego bob2 |
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| 12:03.21 | bob2 | mclito: "/msg dpkg listkeys foo" lists all factoids with foo in the title. listvals searches the bodies. |
| 12:03.51 | mclito | bob2, thanks again ! |
| 12:04.43 | peterS | cage: nope. I was mistaken. no NVidia NForce ethernet driver in 2.4.24-pre3 |
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| 12:05.46 | abcnew | hi |
| 12:05.47 | cage | :( thats a shame i'm reading at the nvidea site its only for mandrake/rh/suse |
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| 12:05.55 | cage | tnx for the help peters |
| 12:06.05 | peterS | cage: well, nvidia does have their own driver for this chip |
| 12:06.18 | cage | http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261.html this one isnt it |
| 12:06.19 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: np |
| 12:06.20 | abcnew | how i switch to debian on my other distro linux? |
| 12:06.22 | peterS | cage: it's closed-source, I'm pretty sure, and probably only compiled for specific kernels like the ones distributed for RH, Mandrake, etc. |
| 12:06.49 | peterS | cage: I guess just spend $15 on a PCI ethernet card instead |
| 12:06.59 | strider_ | shouldnt i have a new file vmlinuz-2.4.18 in /boot now ? |
| 12:07.04 | cage | peterS: yep :) |
| 12:07.06 | dondelelcaro | abcnew: there are chroot install instructions for switching from a different linux distro to debian. |
| 12:07.11 | strider_ | 2.4.16 rather |
| 12:07.16 | cage | peterS: tnx again ;) |
| 12:07.21 | peterS | cage: np (: |
| 12:07.31 | dondelelcaro | abcnew: it is also possible to install directly over the top using base_files, but I don't recommend that if you haven't installed debian before. |
| 12:07.36 | strider_ | ? |
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| 12:07.58 | dondelelcaro | strider_: uh, you shouldn't be installing .16 |
| 12:08.05 | peterS | strider_: there should be a vmlinuz-2.4.{something} in /boot, yeah. depends on that package you installed |
| 12:08.24 | dondelelcaro | strider_: if antything, you should be installing 2.4.18-1, 2.4.23 or 2.6.0 |
| 12:08.41 | strider_ | dondel..why ? |
| 12:08.52 | madness | dondelelcaro: the 2.4.18-1 has the do_brk() patch in it ? |
| 12:08.54 | dondelelcaro | strider_: because .16 has a local root exploit. |
| 12:08.57 | dondelelcaro | madness: yes. |
| 12:09.02 | strider_ | right |
| 12:09.08 | madness | dondelelcaro: ta. |
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| 12:09.24 | madness | strider_: and if you build the kernel yourself, 2.4.23 |
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| 12:09.50 | abcnew | dondelelcaro, thank i on doc |
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| 12:10.44 | cis | somebody can tell me, how can I download files from http in text console? |
| 12:10.44 | cafuego | doublehp: Actually, 2.6.1-rc1 is out |
| 12:10.52 | cafuego | s/doublehp/dondelelcaro/ |
| 12:11.10 | doublehp | cafuego: thanks , I am also interessed by this ti :=) |
| 12:11.16 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah, not surprising. I don't follow lkml |
| 12:12.06 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I was bad and dumped 2.6.0 on a production box |
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| 12:12.25 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. I used to do that when I had more time... (and possibly less sense) |
| 12:12.29 | sussudio | ~poep op cafuego |
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| 12:12.38 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Oi! I have sense! |
| 12:12.56 | cafuego | ~maak sussudio met de grond gelijk |
| 12:13.23 | dondelelcaro | make sussudio meet the grand something? |
| 12:13.27 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I tried it over the holidays, not much traffic then. |
| 12:13.32 | cis | somebody can tell me, how can I download files from http in text console? |
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| 12:13.45 | cafuego | cis: wget -c http:/.... |
| 12:13.45 | dondelelcaro | cis: using wget, lynx or links. |
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| 12:14.04 | cis | yenx |
| 12:14.06 | cis | tenx |
| 12:14.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: "make sussudio be level with the floor" |
| 12:14.17 | sussudio | ~verwerk cafuego door de snert en voer hem aan de schaaters |
| 12:15.09 | cafuego | ~steek sussudio met een ijspegel de ogen uit |
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| 12:15.31 | cafuego | We should really teach these bots dutch |
| 12:15.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: is that the literal translation? /me would have imagined that grond was ground... |
| 12:16.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: no, not literal. "make sussudio with the ground same" |
| 12:16.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah! excellent. |
| 12:17.01 | cafuego | "stick sussudio with an icicle the eyes out" |
| 12:17.28 | cafuego | "process cafuego through the pea soup and feed him to the ice-skaters" |
| 12:17.35 | cafuego | (just to be complete) |
| 12:17.56 | dondelelcaro | heh. interesting... |
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| 12:18.24 | cafuego | TOday on Dutch 101: Creative Insults |
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| 12:18.43 | cafuego | jor can help us |
| 12:18.57 | cafuego | ... if he's not either stoned or drunk right now. |
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| 12:19.24 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Surely you can elect to learn languages |
| 12:19.37 | peterS | heh |
| 12:19.39 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: <heh> |
| 12:20.03 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Sure it's coming from the vents and not from that cigarette you're holding? |
| 12:20.23 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. contrary to my appearance (and viewpoint) I'm not a stoner... |
| 12:20.40 | cafuego | me giggles and gets the munchies |
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| 12:21.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you can elect to learn languages, so long as its spanish (castilian) or french. I was wierd and took Latin. |
| 12:21.34 | peterS | nothing wrong with latin |
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| 12:21.38 | peterS | I wish I knew more |
| 12:21.50 | sussudio | ~eat cafuego's laatste rolo |
| 12:21.53 | | ACTION eats cafuego's laatste rolo and falls over dead |
| 12:21.53 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah I did that for 4 years too. Nothing weird about it (then again, we get colpulsory english, french and german to boot) |
| 12:21.54 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: but its no excuse for being in a location where you can be immersed... [or have native speakers right at hand] |
| 12:22.07 | w00ter | we have to do french or german |
| 12:22.23 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Well who's stopping you from moving to vatican city? ;-) |
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| 12:22.28 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... it wouldn't be so bad if more people actually knew a language... |
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| 12:22.54 | cafuego | and that was compulsory |
| 12:22.56 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: eh, I'll probably spend a post doctorate somewhere in europe... but the vatican? no thanks. |
| 12:23.12 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Whatcha studying atm? |
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| 12:23.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: lipid membranes |
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| 12:23.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: primarily microdomains or so called "lipid rafts" |
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| 12:23.53 | cafuego | Planning on a career as a biochemist for beauty products? ;-) |
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| 12:24.32 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. biophysics actually... but I don't know which direction I'll actually go in. I think I'm going to do some more work with bioinformatics soon. |
| 12:24.36 | vibey | is there something i have to do to get php working on a https site.. using libapache-mod-ssl ? |
| 12:24.47 | dondelelcaro | vibey: install php4, and load the module. |
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| 12:25.03 | vibey | dondelelcaro: it works fine on non ssl virtual hosts |
| 12:25.26 | dondelelcaro | vibey: well, assuming the same apache daemon is listening on 443, php should work there as well. |
| 12:25.26 | cafuego | the applied physics section at twente isn't too bad actually and if you live on campus you get 100Mbit in yer room (to non-us.d.o) |
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| 12:25.56 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I assume that if you wanted to postdoc in europe you'd prefer a somewhat livelier city, though |
| 12:26.12 | sussudio | cafuego: veenendaal? |
| 12:26.15 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... but everything in EU is close by train, so its not that bad. |
| 12:26.24 | cafuego | sussudio: Ik dacht aan Tilburg |
| 12:26.28 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it really depends whats open at the time and who is doing what... |
| 12:26.42 | sussudio | cafuego: burgemeester is toch de pijp uit |
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| 12:27.02 | cafuego | voetbalcommentator |
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| 12:27.10 | sussudio | stekelenburg |
| 12:27.13 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *nod* |
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| 12:27.21 | cafuego | sussudio: ja, studio sport stekelenburg |
| 12:27.35 | sussudio | cafuego: nee, z'n broer |
| 12:27.55 | rovragge | anyone running xfree86 experimental 4.3.0-0pre1v4 having problems with anything Xft related segfaulting? |
| 12:27.58 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: the trains are bloody expensive, though. hiring a car is actually cheaper if there's 2 people. |
| 12:27.59 | tux-helper | huh nl hier |
| 12:28.03 | cafuego | sussudio: bah |
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| 12:28.17 | cafuego | tux-helper: Nee hoor, ben je stoned ofzo? |
| 12:28.30 | tux-helper | belgisch dan? |
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| 12:28.43 | cafuego | tux-helper: Sorry, australisch |
| 12:28.47 | vuelos | whats a simpel script for converting %20 in a filename to \spaces ? |
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| 12:29.12 | cafuego | vuelos: perl -pi -e 's/%20/ /g' filename |
| 12:29.13 | tux-helper | oh allright funny :) |
| 12:29.31 | vuelos | cafuego: thanks |
| 12:29.34 | Shay | vuelos, man sed |
| 12:29.38 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah, good to know. even with gas and all? |
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| 12:29.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *nod* Sad but true. |
| 12:29.49 | vuelos | Shay: hahaha late, nerd |
| 12:29.58 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Whenever I go on holiday I do the sums... |
| 12:30.09 | Shay | hmm.. ? |
| 12:30.12 | cafuego | vuelos: I bloody hate perl, so check that before you run it. |
| 12:30.21 | sussudio | Shay: vuelos is 12 |
| 12:30.29 | Shay | oh I understand |
| 12:30.51 | vuelos | sussudio: im a 11 year old faggot |
| 12:30.51 | vuelos | cafuego: works perfectly |
| 12:30.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: dang. oh well... although, EU's gas prices always scare me when I see them. |
| 12:31.10 | sussudio | vuelos: michael jackson must love you, then. |
| 12:31.11 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I always think they're about right for being in gallons... |
| 12:31.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: only slightly more then 4 times what you pay in the us <heh> |
| 12:31.24 | vuelos | sussudio: michael has a nice piece.. |
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| 12:32.21 | dondelelcaro | I'd imagine those hybrid cars are pretty popular there... 60MPG and all... |
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| 12:32.26 | vuelos | sussudio: i have two trucks full of faggots that defend me.. |
| 12:32.29 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Mind you, it wouldn't be a bad thing if the US started taxing petrol properly. |
| 12:32.37 | cafuego | vuelos: You cna go now. |
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| 12:33.09 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Dunno, smallc ars certainly are, but then you can't actually physically fit an SUV through most cities. |
| 12:33.14 | vuelos | cafuego: bye |
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| 12:33.47 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... although it is fun to try... remember driving a van down a street where you had to fold the mirrors in... |
| 12:33.50 | Shay | transcode is so awesome |
| 12:33.54 | mclito | wtf |
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| 12:34.14 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: <heh> if you forget once you need not bother the second time ;-) |
| 12:34.29 | Mutant|pwn | can anyone tell me how do i patch kernel please? :) |
| 12:34.33 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh, We do tax it, its just done differently. 'Course, you guys have totally different tax rates for diesel than gas (or at least used to) |
| 12:34.37 | cafuego | Mutant|pwn: man patch |
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| 12:35.11 | Mutant|pwn | cafuego: thanks anyway |
| 12:35.11 | vibey | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.12 | MarcoPau | hi dudes. If I do aterm -tr -sh 40 -fg white -fn "-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-0-iso8859-15" the font comes absolutely big and wide. What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:35.16 | vibey | it isn't working .. why not? |
| 12:35.19 | deucalion | hi! i want[ed] to create a custom debian-installer .iso-file using kernel 2.6.1-rc1 and so on to install sid/unstable on my notebook without being limited by the usually available drivers ... but: anyone knows a link to a working debian-installer how-to or sth similar or would even be willing to help me? thx! |
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| 12:35.21 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: In europe it's a lot cheaper yes... here in australia it's usually a bit more expensive... but diesel cars here aren't required to have particle filters so they're actually fucking dirty. |
| 12:35.52 | Mutant|pwn | cafuego: which files in kernel should i patch? it says cant patch directory |
| 12:36.03 | cafuego | Mutant|pwn: it's not that hard. cat the patchfile into 'patch', add a param to tell it which dir you're in (say -p1) |
| 12:36.14 | cafuego | Mutant|pwn: Which patch file do you have? |
| 12:36.24 | Mutant|pwn | xfs |
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| 12:36.29 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: deux chevaux? |
| 12:36.30 | Mutant|pwn | cafuego: xfs |
| 12:36.51 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: looks better. the two horse citroen. |
| 12:37.02 | cafuego | Mutant|pwn: probably "cd linux-2.x.x; patch -p1 < ../patchfile" |
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| 12:37.22 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah... lovely car, we used to have a white one until it caught fire. |
| 12:37.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, but the whole reason for them is totally ludicrous... |
| 12:37.48 | Mutant|pwn | cafuego: it works, thanks :D |
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| 12:40.15 | Vandalite | anyone here? |
| 12:40.16 | psycose | hi |
| 12:40.56 | Vandalite | how do i bring up the command line menu that let me pick the modules i wanted installed (the one you see during first install) |
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| 12:42.14 | mclito | bob2, the line was devfs=mount right ? |
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| 12:43.41 | psycose | the last automake version is 1.8, i'm on sid and i only get the 1.4, the problem is i need automake 1.6 to compile a cvs source .. |
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| 12:44.38 | mosty | psycose: wrong. apt-get install automake1.6 |
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| 12:46.00 | LraiseR | somehow my /usr/include/unistd.h is crippled (has some null chars in it). how can I fix it? (thank you) |
| 12:46.49 | mosty | lraiser: apt-get install --reinstall libc6-dev |
| 12:46.50 | Gwadboy | test |
| 12:46.57 | caphuso | LraiseR: reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install foo) the package it belongs to (dpkg -S /usr/include/unistd.h) |
| 12:47.29 | LraiseR | thank you. Reinstalling :) |
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| 12:49.05 | Vandalite | so anyone know what i need to run to get that menu? |
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| 12:49.34 | dondelelcaro | Vandalite: uh, which menu? |
| 12:49.46 | Vandalite | the one where you pick kernel modules |
| 12:49.49 | dondelelcaro | Vandalite: modconf |
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| 12:50.25 | Vandalite | thanks... now to figure out which one i need :) |
| 12:50.46 | donki | Happy new year! Im using debian 3.0r2 and samba 3.0.2 . I have got problem how to set character settings to display correctly the hungarian characters. I have heard i need to use utf on debian. How can i do it? If i type to locale.gen hu_HU UTF-8 then i start locale-gen then i see a lots of interesting character (and usually * in filenames) does it mean i use utf-8 ? |
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| 12:52.16 | Vandalite | by any chance do you know what the emulated soundcard is in vmware? |
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| 12:53.25 | Vandalite | nevermind found it (installs as sb32) |
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| 12:55.16 | Zenox | is pppoe included in the bootdisks that is used when installing debian directly from the net? |
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| 12:56.43 | mfbian | anyone familiar with screen? |
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| 12:57.19 | The_Vulture | mfbian: what's your actual question? |
| 12:58.01 | mfbian | is it possible for me to remote login , start a program, detach it and logout, and login later and retrieve the old thing |
| 12:58.17 | Covener | mfbian: look into screen |
| 12:58.22 | azreal | mfbian: yes |
| 12:58.25 | The_Vulture | sure, as long as you start it in screen, if you start it outside screen, there's nothing you can do about it |
| 12:58.27 | mfbian | how can i do that |
| 12:58.29 | Covener | mfbian: if you mean x11 program, xmove as well |
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| 12:58.39 | mfbian | console |
| 12:58.40 | The_Vulture | go read the screen man page, or some intro to screen, I'm sure there are lots on the www |
| 12:59.06 | mfbian | just tell me how to do it please |
| 12:59.20 | The_Vulture | No. |
| 12:59.23 | mfbian | ctrl-a ctrl-c create a new screen |
| 12:59.35 | mfbian | and start a program |
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| 12:59.46 | The_Vulture | man screen |
| 12:59.50 | The_Vulture | hint: keyword: reconnet |
| 12:59.53 | The_Vulture | s/et/ect/ |
| 13:00.54 | X-Blade | hi there |
| 13:01.06 | mfbian | keyword not found |
| 13:01.23 | X-Blade | Fatal error, unix:/7100 fonts not found |
| 13:01.26 | mfbian | tell me this is in hurry |
| 13:01.28 | X-Blade | what is that ??? |
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| 13:01.50 | X-Blade | default fonts, 'fixed' .... |
| 13:02.02 | X-Blade | failed to startx |
| 13:02.16 | The_Vulture | mfbian: better, keyword: resume |
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| 13:03.09 | azreal | Zenox: no |
| 13:03.54 | azreal | Zenox: you can however get modified boot floppies that makes this possible |
| 13:04.14 | Zenox | azreal: ah nice... you know where to get hold of such floppies? |
| 13:04.38 | X-Blade | can any1 help ? |
| 13:04.45 | X-Blade | failed to load fonts error |
| 13:04.47 | azreal | Zenox: http://people.debian.org/~blade/ |
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| 13:05.01 | X-Blade | do I need to apt-get anything ??? |
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| 13:05.43 | doublehp | dpkg: ? |
| 13:05.43 | dpkg | doublehp: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 13:06.17 | azreal | Zenox: you maye have to search for the images on www.archive.org, because blades stuff is still offline apparently |
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| 13:07.28 | Zenox | azreal: yea i noticed... trying archive.org, hopefully i find em :) |
| 13:07.35 | Vandalite | ok, i have (yet) another question: now that i have loaded a kernel module that works with vmware's sound, how do i get the kde control center to use it? |
| 13:07.47 | ircdevil | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 13:08.29 | Vandalite | uhh, i already have xwindows and kde installed. i wanted to know how to get sound working IN kde. |
| 13:09.09 | Covener | Vandalite: is it your first audio device on the system? |
| 13:09.31 | Vandalite | yes... but i don't know if it works. |
| 13:09.33 | X-Blade | can anyone tell me how to remote login ?? |
| 13:09.42 | Vandalite | <(| X-Blade |)> did you try ssh? |
| 13:09.44 | Covener | Vandalite: open up a mixer, try to play some music |
| 13:10.38 | Vandalite | mixer? |
| 13:10.54 | X-Blade | can I use ssh at X |
| 13:10.54 | Covener | Vandalite: aumix, tkimixer, etc |
| 13:11.00 | X-Blade | or must be in console |
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| 13:11.14 | gunebakan | is there any way to configure network graphically(ncurse based) |
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| 13:11.18 | gunebakan | ?? |
| 13:11.30 | tarzeau | gunebakan: güne bakan? türkmüsün? |
| 13:11.41 | gunebakan | evet |
| 13:11.42 | Vandalite | hrm. don't have one. lemme apt-get it. |
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| 13:14.00 | frealek | ppl hi |
| 13:14.18 | sussudio | ~ppl |
| 13:14.23 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ppl is people |
| 13:14.42 | Vandalite | uhh error opening mixer |
| 13:14.47 | Vandalite | is all it says |
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| 13:16.18 | doublehp | what are the lines I have to add sources.list so that I can apt-get openoffice ? |
| 13:16.21 | X-Blade | hi there |
| 13:16.34 | X-Blade | I am logging on to an LAN in the house |
| 13:16.44 | X-Blade | so do I log on like ssh ip |
| 13:16.47 | X-Blade | that's it ?? |
| 13:16.49 | L00thar | Anybody have a clue what to do if galeon 1.3.11a-1 doesn't show SVG grafyx -- but mozilla 1.5-1 does? |
| 13:16.55 | X-Blade | or do I need xtra parameters |
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| 13:17.02 | ludwig | X-Blade: ssh ip works for me |
| 13:17.07 | X-Blade | ok |
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| 13:17.23 | X-Blade | but if I want to log in as root for the remote desktop ??? |
| 13:17.24 | ludwig | of course, i made entries in /etc/hosts so i don't have to remember the ips |
| 13:17.26 | X-Blade | what do I do ?? |
| 13:17.39 | ludwig | ssh root@ip? |
| 13:17.46 | X-Blade | ok |
| 13:17.47 | X-Blade | cool |
| 13:17.50 | X-Blade | thx |
| 13:17.59 | ludwig | X-Blade: man ssh |
| 13:18.03 | dondelelcaro | apt: no, ppl is <reply> I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 13:18.05 | | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 13:18.11 | doublehp | what is the command to list all pakets going throught a network interface ? |
| 13:18.21 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: tcpdump |
| 13:18.26 | dondelelcaro | !ppl |
| 13:18.26 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 13:18.59 | frealek | is it a war against basic abbreviations or what ? |
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| 13:19.26 | doublehp | what are the lines I have to add sources.list so that I can apt-get openoffice ? |
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| 13:20.08 | X-Blade | ok |
| 13:20.10 | X-Blade | I have a problem |
| 13:20.12 | Covener | doublehp: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 13:20.13 | frealek | can someone point me to the glitch when my syslogd points to /var/log/syslog.0 instead of /var/log/syslog ? |
| 13:20.21 | X-Blade | the X wouldn't start in the remote desktop |
| 13:20.54 | X-Blade | it pops up "could not open default font 'fixed' " |
| 13:20.54 | frealek | X-Blade: activate X11 forwarding on both client and server. /etc/ssh/sshd_config (server) /etc/ssh/ssh_config(?) |
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| 13:21.22 | X-Blade | it's ok, I have already logged in to the remote machine |
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| 13:21.31 | frealek | X-Blade: then it's a font path problem... check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 13:21.31 | X-Blade | I need to fix the remote machine's X |
| 13:21.38 | X-Blade | ok |
| 13:21.47 | doublehp | Covener: no, i am asking for the server address ... |
| 13:22.42 | X-Blade | so what do I do with the XF86Config-4 ??? |
| 13:22.47 | rdancer | frealek: grep '/syslog.0' /etc/syslog.conf? |
| 13:23.00 | X-Blade | I am inside the file now |
| 13:23.21 | X-Blade | the unix/:7100 has problem loading |
| 13:23.25 | X-Blade | how do I correct it |
| 13:24.08 | X-Blade | so do I have to apt-get the font lib again ??? |
| 13:24.15 | frealek | rdancer: I have nothing about syslog.0 in my syslog.conf, it's a default config. the fact is that it worked before I upgraded (I think), and restarting the sysklogd is not sufficient |
| 13:24.31 | L00thar | Where's a #galeon ..? |
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| 13:24.44 | frealek | L00thar: /join #galeon ? |
| 13:24.50 | L00thar | Not here. |
| 13:24.51 | oskie | L00thar: if not here try irc.gnome.org or irc.oftc.net |
| 13:25.00 | L00thar | ok oskie: |
| 13:25.21 | frealek | X-Blade: the unix/:7100 is for xfs font server |
| 13:25.31 | frealek | X-Blade: apt-get install xfs if you want one |
| 13:25.35 | X-Blade | ok |
| 13:26.08 | frealek | but it should go back to the "built-in" font paths, that comes after the unix/:7100 line |
| 13:26.11 | rdancer | frealek: a-ha? |
| 13:26.33 | mz | has anyone seen this error: Jan 2 13:23:43 unity postfix/pipe[14191]: fatal: request to deliver as mail system owner |
| 13:27.56 | Vandalite | ok, i installed aumix and tried running that. the mixer won't open with this message: aumix: error opening mixer |
| 13:27.59 | Zenox | azreal: no luck in finding those customized boot floppies for pppoe... dunno, continues to search anyways but darn is it hard or what |
| 13:28.28 | rdancer | Vandalite: add yourself to the group audio, relogin |
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| 13:29.01 | rdancer | Vandalite: ls -l /dev/mixer |
| 13:29.59 | X-Blade | it doesn't work |
| 13:30.08 | X-Blade | any other default fonts ??? |
| 13:30.15 | X-Blade | the default fonts won't work too |
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| 13:31.22 | Vandalite | the mixer file is there (and i'm r00t for debugging purposes, so this isn't a permissions problem) |
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| 13:31.47 | Vandalite | how do i know if the module that installed "ok" is actually working, or is there something else i need to do before it will work? |
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| 13:35.07 | frealek | X-Blade: check for lines like this one : FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the "files" section (near the line unix/:7100), usually there are folders from /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* |
| 13:35.52 | frealek | Vandalite: are you sure /dev/mixer is not a symlink to a non-existent device ? |
| 13:36.05 | frealek | usually => /dev/mixer0 or something |
| 13:36.20 | Vandalite | its not a link |
| 13:36.24 | Vandalite | and there's no mixer0 |
| 13:36.52 | Vandalite | however lsmod shows my awe_wave module as "(unused)" |
| 13:37.24 | Vandalite | is this bad? or does this mean i have to find a way to "use" it? |
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| 13:38.29 | frealek | Vandalite: when some app accesses the resource managed by the module, it show the number of times it has been accessed to, nothing more |
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| 13:39.14 | frealek | Vandalite: the solutions depends on whether you're using OSS or Alsa... and depends on what module(s) your soundcard needs |
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| 13:39.47 | Vandalite | well, does debian come default with oss? cause i know i didn't apt-get alsa. |
| 13:39.51 | liquide | can anyone help me to setup my audigy 2 card for debian? |
| 13:40.06 | X-Blade | yes |
| 13:40.15 | X-Blade | the FontPath are there |
| 13:40.57 | frealek | Vandalite: sound modules depends on the kernel, not the distribution. debian has a default kernel with plenty of modules, but that does not mean your sound card is supported by the default kernel from debian repositories |
| 13:41.16 | Covener | X-Blade: make sure you have the misc directory included |
| 13:41.31 | X-Blade | ??? |
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| 13:41.46 | liquide | can noone help me? |
| 13:42.01 | X-Blade | yes |
| 13:42.01 | Covener | X-Blade: You have fontpath problems, right? FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" |
| 13:42.04 | X-Blade | it's in there |
| 13:42.12 | Vandalite | <(| frealek |)> my sound card is emulated to be an sp32 (by vmware) |
| 13:42.15 | Covener | X-Blade: what's your error? |
| 13:42.16 | Vandalite | sb* |
| 13:42.22 | X-Blade | FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" |
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| 13:43.10 | Vandalite | what apt-get packages do i need to get alsaplayer working? |
| 13:43.15 | X-Blade | Fatal Server Error |
| 13:43.19 | frealek | liquide: two alternatives, either the modules for your soundcard are available with the kernel you currently have, or not. for the latter case : you need either to compile a new kernel with your sound modules, or install a "default" newer kernel |
| 13:43.27 | X-Blade | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 13:43.28 | The_Vulture | Vandalite: why not search and find out.. apt-cache search or apt-file search |
| 13:43.43 | The_Vulture | looks to me like the alsaplayer package might be relevent.. |
| 13:43.45 | liquide | frealek: i don't know how to compile a new ernel |
| 13:43.49 | frealek | Vandalite: check if the "sb" module is loaded, if not, modprobe sb |
| 13:43.58 | Covener | X-Blade: Have xfonts-base? |
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| 13:44.10 | X-Blade | let me try |
| 13:44.33 | frealek | liquide: what is your current kernel version ? |
| 13:44.39 | micha | Is there something broken in gnome unstable after the last update nautilus and panel/applets are crashing? |
| 13:44.41 | Covener | X-Blade: can you put XF86Config-4 and /var/log/XFree86.0.log up on the web somewhere? |
| 13:44.48 | liquide | frealek: erm... how do i check ? |
| 13:44.59 | frealek | uname -a |
| 13:45.18 | liquide | frealek: Linux Ane 2.4.22-1-686 #6 Sat Oct 4 14:09:08 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:45.20 | X-Blade | oh boy |
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| 13:45.44 | X-Blade | why doesn't the remote pc downloads packages from the ftp |
| 13:46.06 | X-Blade | it just shows connecting but doesn't downloads |
| 13:46.28 | Vandalite | <(| FreakCERS |)> Smoke Break, Be Right Back module only loads on Smoke Break, Be Right Back cards up to 16. the 32 card is loaded with awe_wave -- at least thats what the menus said, and i tried Smoke Break, Be Right Back. it didn't work... but this one loaded. |
| 13:46.34 | Vandalite | whoops... wrong nick. |
| 13:46.34 | frealek | liquide: wait some minutes |
| 13:46.40 | liquide | frealek: oki |
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| 13:47.04 | Vandalite | uhh. i just realized that made no sense. |
| 13:47.06 | Covener | Vandalite: what irc client are you using lol |
| 13:47.09 | chemicallyrelian | whats the dig equivalent in debian? |
| 13:47.17 | Covener | chemicallyrelian: dig? |
| 13:47.28 | chemicallyrelian | its like nslookup, but not w32 |
| 13:47.30 | Vandalite | i forgot "sb" is an acro on this script (using no color chan setting so no colors come here) |
| 13:47.41 | Covener | chemicallyrelian: dnsutils package has dig |
| 13:47.58 | chemicallyrelian | so apt-get install dig won't turn up a result? |
| 13:48.02 | Covener | chemicallyrelian: you also have nslookup and host |
| 13:48.15 | chemicallyrelian | it'd be apt-get install dnsutils then? |
| 13:48.25 | quaqo | Hi |
| 13:48.26 | Covener | chemicallyrelian: yes |
| 13:48.31 | chemicallyrelian | arlight. |
| 13:49.09 | frealek | Vandalite: try to modprobe every module that seems to fit for your soundcard in ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/sound |
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| 13:50.01 | Swat2 | is the 2.6.0 kernel any good? or not worth upgrading to? |
| 13:50.06 | grib | anybody using the experimental distribution hit a problem with the Packages file? I get an apt 'unable to parse' error this morning. |
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| 13:50.48 | Vandalite | <(| frealek |)> i found one that loads. |
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| 13:51.52 | Sebulba02 | try to open the mixer now |
| 13:52.09 | Vandalite | don't i still need alsa or that other one? |
| 13:52.49 | Vandalite | still getting error opening mixer with aumix |
| 13:52.49 | Sebulba02 | uh, didn't you just say you found a sound module that loaded? |
| 13:52.54 | Vandalite | i did. |
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| 13:53.12 | Sebulba02 | lemme scroll up, I'm walking in on the middle of something.. |
| 13:53.14 | chemicallyrelian | is there special null modem cable link connection software in debian, or will i be able to open up a slip interface? |
| 13:53.23 | Vandalite | i appreciate the help... |
| 13:53.44 | X-Blade | no errors this time |
| 13:53.53 | X-Blade | just downloaded the xfonts-base |
| 13:53.57 | Vandalite | (i'm runinning vmware4 with debain kernel 2.2.20 -- this came on the netinst iso) |
| 13:54.10 | X-Blade | but could let the serial mouse and legacy keyboard to work |
| 13:54.19 | X-Blade | and X automatically jumps out |
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| 13:54.28 | X-Blade | back to console |
| 13:54.30 | Sebulba02 | ah |
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| 13:54.49 | grib | chemicallyrelian: if you have 2 pc's connected by a null modem cable you can just start ppp or slip on both ends with empty "dial" scripts. you don't need special software. |
| 13:54.57 | X-Blade | I mean couldn't let the serial mouse and keyboard to work |
| 13:56.10 | frealek | liquide: I didn't find something related to the audigy card in the kernel docs, you need to find whether it's supported or not, and in case it is actually supported, the name of the module for this sound card (your card is probably supported but I don't know the module's name or the equivalent) |
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| 13:56.39 | frealek | I don't remember where you can get a list of supported sound hardware for linux... anyone ? |
| 13:56.43 | Sebulba02 | audigys have a special patch to alsa on sf somewhere |
| 13:56.58 | frealek | Sebulba02: oh, no OSS support ? |
| 13:57.05 | frealek | (easier...) |
| 13:57.07 | Sebulba02 | not that I'm aware of |
| 13:57.10 | frealek | k |
| 13:57.10 | liquide | frealek: i don't think it's supported, i found the driver on opensource.creative.com |
| 13:57.17 | frealek | oh greta |
| 13:57.23 | liquide | frealek: but i seem to have som probs installing it |
| 13:57.32 | frealek | great*. you needed to tell that at first ;) |
| 13:57.45 | frealek | what's the error |
| 13:57.49 | Sebulba02 | Vandalite: hmm. what kind of sound card? |
| 13:57.51 | liquide | paste in pm? |
| 13:57.59 | frealek | sure (pm) |
| 13:58.07 | frealek | or #flood... |
| 13:58.13 | liquide | frealek: hi, plz answer so i can paste |
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| 13:58.27 | vanRijn | wow. lots of peoples |
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| 13:58.43 | Vandalite | <(| Sebulba02 |)> Creative Labs Sound Blaster AudioPCI |
| 13:58.58 | Vandalite | at least thats what vmware docs say... |
| 13:59.06 | vanRijn | I had bugzilla 2.16.3 running on a production server just wonderfully, fine, etc. I updated from testing today and it brought down bugzilla 2.16.4, and the installation is failing. |
| 13:59.13 | vanRijn | Setting up bugzilla (2.16.4-1) ... |
| 13:59.18 | vanRijn | DBD::mysql::db do failed: Table 'profiles' already exists at /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst line 136, <STDIN> line 7. |
| 13:59.18 | Sebulba02 | Vandalite: what module did you get loaded? |
| 13:59.25 | intero | is anyone able to apt-get xvidcap in sid? |
| 13:59.31 | vanRijn | which, obviously, the table would already be there on an existing system. |
| 13:59.46 | frealek | ok, liquide, do you have the kernel sources installed ? (deflated) |
| 13:59.53 | vanRijn | is there a solution for upgrading bugzilla from 2.16.3 to 2.16.4? |
| 14:00.14 | liquide | frealek: i dunno... i suppose not |
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| 14:00.52 | IVS | vanRijn: fix the postinst script? |
| 14:00.54 | caphuso | vanRijn: anything wrong with the work around mentioned in the bug report? |
| 14:01.06 | vanRijn | caphuso: where is that? |
| 14:01.06 | frealek | liquide : apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 |
| 14:01.18 | fb | "/msg |
| 14:01.28 | caphuso | vanRijn: uh, bugs.debian.org. where else would it be? |
| 14:01.47 | vanRijn | caphuso: riiight. |
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| 14:01.52 | liquide | frealek: it was the newest version |
| 14:02.23 | Vandalite | <(| Sebulba02 |)> awe_wave |
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| 14:02.31 | Vandalite | in the misc dir |
| 14:02.32 | frealek | liquide: great, so you had the sources installed. now cd to /usr/src and check if a folder called linux-something exist |
| 14:03.00 | caphuso | liquide: look for a file called kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2 |
| 14:03.07 | caphuso | ~+folder |
| 14:03.09 | | somebody said folder was its a directory damn it!, or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
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| 14:03.45 | frealek | sorry I'm not english-native :) people used "folder" I used "folder"... |
| 14:03.51 | sinsem | hi, could someone tell me what's the name of the qt3 package for unstable? |
| 14:04.14 | caphuso | sinsem: apt-cache --names-only search '^libqt3' |
| 14:04.27 | liquide | frealek: did you see the pm? |
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| 14:04.31 | jameson | Hi! When trying to build the ALSA library, I get "/usr/bin/../lib/libdl.so: undefined reference to `_dl_addr@GLIBC_2.0'" (and similar for _dl_sym, _dl_open etc., although _dl_sym and _dl_vsym are for GLIBC_2.2). |
| 14:04.39 | jameson | I'm on sid/alpha; any ideas? |
| 14:04.43 | frealek | liquide: yeah |
| 14:04.45 | Vandalite | <(| Sebulba02 |)> you there? |
| 14:04.50 | frealek | liquide: seems everything is correct |
| 14:04.53 | Sebulba02 | yeah |
| 14:04.57 | Sebulba02 | I'm looking something up |
| 14:05.03 | Vandalite | <(| Sebulba02 |)> awe_wave is the module |
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| 14:05.18 | Vandalite | Oh, ok. thanks. |
| 14:05.20 | liquide | frealek: then why do i get the first error msg? |
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| 14:06.05 | frealek | liquide: then you need to edit the emu10k1-v0.20a/config file, or emu10k1-v0.20a/script(s)/config |
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| 14:06.30 | jameson | OK, let's phrase this differently... is libdl.so /supposed/ to work in sid? |
| 14:06.31 | frealek | liquide: as stated in the error message, to set the KERNEL_SOURCE variable to "/usr/src/linux" |
| 14:06.34 | vasudeva | does rom-o-matic/etherboot support any 3cpm pc-card ethernet nic? |
| 14:06.43 | sinsem | caphuso: i've installed that already, but when i try to do make xconfig(building kernel config) i still get an error saying that qt is not installed |
| 14:06.58 | caphuso | sinsem: what's "that"? |
| 14:07.12 | vanRijn | caphuso: thanks. =:) |
| 14:07.16 | sinsem | libqt3c102 - Qt Library |
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| 14:07.26 | vibey | using virtual hosts and modssl.. is there a way to make a certain domain go to another document root.. i don't care if the certificate shows to be invalid. . |
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| 14:07.46 | caphuso | sinsem: nice. and when did you plan to also install the -dev packages? |
| 14:07.59 | ToreSB | Good morning, Vietnam |
| 14:08.01 | vibey | currently.. ihave a cert for a domain.. but i want the 2nd domain to go ahead and use the invalid certificate.. and use a different document root.. |
| 14:08.03 | Covener | vibey: just have the domain set it's document root in the vhost, or something more? |
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| 14:08.35 | sinsem | caphuso: just after you told me i needed them 8-) |
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| 14:08.51 | Vandalite | <(| Sebulba02 |)> any luck? |
| 14:08.52 | vibey | Covener: but when i add an entry for the other domain.. apache still points it to the other domain's document root |
| 14:09.08 | Sebulba02 | Vandalite: no.. I can't find much in the way of docs for sound in linux |
| 14:09.16 | vanRijn | also, is anyone else seeing this error: ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly.? |
| 14:09.47 | Covener | vibey: even when you specify DocumentRoot? apache -S might help debug |
| 14:09.49 | liquide | frealek: i did, i got another msg now |
| 14:11.07 | frealek | liquide: ok the script is stupid |
| 14:11.15 | frealek | liquide: lemme think of a solution |
| 14:11.25 | vibey | Covener: i checked it.. and i have it set to _default_ .. and have a virtual host:443 for domain1 |
| 14:11.26 | rdancer | vanRijn: iirc, debian-user has a thread about errno.h recently. afaicr, it's standards non-compliant apps calling libc, no big deal, but in future they will break as this nonstandard way is removed |
| 14:11.49 | liquide | frealek: hehe |
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| 14:12.21 | herbi | hey guys |
| 14:12.22 | Covener | vibey: name based vhosts right? |
| 14:12.27 | vibey | Covener: i know that i can't have different certificates when using name based virtual hosts.. but |
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| 14:12.39 | herbi | what can packages are available to extract .ace files in debian? |
| 14:12.42 | herbi | i cant seem to find one |
| 14:12.43 | vibey | Covener: yes.. |
| 14:12.55 | Sebulba02 | Vandalite: see maybe if you can load some sort of a sound mixer module? (in the same dir as the rest..) |
| 14:12.56 | herbi | apt-cache search ace | grep extract only brings up zoo archiver, which is useless |
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| 14:13.30 | vibey | Covener: i had done it before.. and i got rid of apache-ssl and configured modssl.. and now i can't get it working |
| 14:13.49 | herbi | anyone know? |
| 14:13.51 | frealek | liquide: set the KERNEL_SOURCE in the config file to /usr/src/, then cd to /usr/src, do a symlink as : ln -s kernel-source-2.4.22 2.4.22-1-686 |
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| 14:15.16 | psycose | hi, well i try to install the kwintv3 ... cause problem to scan with xawtv, what is the kde main package for install in experimental ? |
| 14:15.22 | liquide | frealek: done |
| 14:15.50 | vanRijn | rdancer: well, it looks like it's breaking qmail |
| 14:15.54 | Sebulba02 | brb |
| 14:15.54 | frealek | try again to compile |
| 14:16.02 | herbi | :'( |
| 14:16.05 | herbi | nobody will help me? |
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| 14:16.44 | frealek | herbi: wait, scrolling up |
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| 14:17.35 | vasudeva | does rom-o-matic/etherboot support any 3cpm pc-card ethernet nic? |
| 14:17.53 | frealek | well, ace is proprietary compression algorithm, either you can add the non-free repository entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list, or find an unarchiver |
| 14:17.57 | jameson | OK. Let's assume my libdl.so is broken and I want to fix it. I can hardly remove and re-install the 'libc6.1' package; how should I go about this? |
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| 14:18.09 | frealek | herbi: or (better) use another compression algo (gz, bz2) |
| 14:18.19 | herbi | frealek, non-free is already in my sources.list |
| 14:18.45 | herbi | frealek, i dont have a choice, its not like i couldve COMPRESSED something with .ace in linux heh im just trying to get the data out of this file. |
| 14:19.06 | herbi | frealek, theres no "unace" package for linux i can find the source for |
| 14:19.19 | herbi | there is a redhat rpm of one...but nothing non-redhat specific i found on google |
| 14:19.40 | frealek | herbi: then try to use "alien" to convert from rpm to deb. and dpkg -i <...>.deb |
| 14:19.55 | psycose | where can i download lastest kde package !? i try apt-get -t experimental install kde, but it don't work |
| 14:20.16 | frealek | liquide: do you remember the original content of the KERNEL_SOURCE var in your config file ? |
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| 14:20.28 | herbi | frealek, hmm thanks |
| 14:20.30 | jameson | Would it be possible to re-install it by forcefully downgrading to an old libc and re-upgrading to the latest one? This still sounds risky... |
| 14:20.49 | liquide | frealek: nope but i can unpack it again, and then it would be back to the original |
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| 14:21.50 | droog | part #debian |
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| 14:22.19 | liquide | frealek: want me to do that? |
| 14:22.24 | frealek | sure |
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| 14:23.58 | liquide | frealek: done |
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| 14:23.58 | frealek | then what's the KERNEL_SOURCE set to ? |
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| 14:24.29 | psycose | i try to compile kwintv3 cvs version, when i do ./configure i get the following error "checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 14:24.29 | psycose | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 14:24.29 | psycose | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 14:24.29 | psycose | " |
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| 14:24.33 | liquide | frealek: KERNEL_SOURCE :=/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 14:24.45 | frealek | oh ok |
| 14:24.48 | frealek | got it :) |
| 14:25.08 | frealek | well, that's not a kernel source directory |
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| 14:25.26 | frealek | lemme check my default |
| 14:25.30 | liquide | k |
| 14:25.53 | caphuso | it is a kernel source directory, if your kernel has been properly installed |
| 14:26.10 | frealek | well yeah that's actually a kernel source... :-/ |
| 14:26.12 | liquide | hehe |
| 14:26.49 | frealek | is it the kernel source from kernel-headers packages ? |
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| 14:27.04 | caphuso | frealek: depends |
| 14:27.22 | liquide | i have no idea, i just run netinst and another friend ssh'd to my comp and fixed stuff |
| 14:27.44 | gamehack | can somebody help me in private ? |
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| 14:28.03 | frealek | then what's the deal with /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2 packages ? I understand /lib/modules/.../build would be a partial source ? |
| 14:28.26 | gamehack | i have problems with apt-get and get my system working |
| 14:28.52 | liquide | frealek: did you ask me? |
| 14:28.57 | jameson | Is there any other place where I could discuss debian-specific libc issues? |
| 14:29.00 | caphuso | frealek: if you're using an official kernel-image .deb, then that build symlink will point to the place where the kernel-headers .deb installs the headers to, if you compile your own kernel, then it points to the place where you build your kernel |
| 14:29.00 | frealek | liquide: yes sorry |
| 14:29.20 | frealek | caphuso: k, that's clear now |
| 14:29.28 | liquide | frealek: i have no idea, i don't know anything about linux actually, atm i just wanna make my sound work |
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| 14:29.47 | rel | Hello, does anyone have Terratec's Aureon Space audio card working with ALSA? |
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| 14:31.11 | frealek | liquide: oh sorry I just directed you the wrong question... I wanted to ask you another one... can you give me the url of the package ? gonna check it directly |
| 14:31.16 | Knub | my xfreelog says (WW) Cannot open APM |
| 14:31.21 | Knub | what does it mean? |
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| 14:31.46 | liquide | frealek: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emu10k1 |
| 14:32.03 | liquide | that's the sound card drivers |
| 14:32.16 | DJ_TBX | is there any way to launch the debian installer after installing the debian ? |
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| 14:34.13 | Knub | how do i save my log file into A: |
| 14:34.28 | caphuso | Knub: mv logfile A: |
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| 14:34.35 | Knub | ok |
| 14:34.38 | frealek | liquide: so you did "make" then "make" again ? and then the error occurs ? |
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| 14:34.58 | liquide | frealek: no in the first make the error came |
| 14:35.06 | frealek | k |
| 14:35.39 | frealek | so the solution would be to set KERNEL_SOURCE to /usr/src/linux/build |
| 14:35.47 | frealek | for you |
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| 14:36.12 | RichiH | how can i tell apt to forget about installing package foo when the installation of foo borks, again? |
| 14:36.29 | RichiH | i really need to get an updated memory ;) |
| 14:36.48 | frealek | liquide: the full line is : KERNEL_SOURCE :=/usr/src/linux/build |
| 14:36.59 | liquide | not the crap after? |
| 14:37.02 | frealek | RichiH: try --ignore-missing |
| 14:37.06 | frealek | liquide: nope |
| 14:37.19 | frealek | liquide: well |
| 14:37.21 | deego | hi, is there a way to view apt-listchanges output without actually installing the new package? |
| 14:37.24 | frealek | liquide: on this line only ! |
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| 14:37.32 | frealek | liquide: do not remove the other lines |
| 14:37.39 | liquide | oki |
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| 14:38.09 | LoRez | deego: say no. |
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| 14:38.37 | liquide | frealek: damn... dinner... be back in 15-20 sorry |
| 14:38.38 | frealek | ~tell root about root |
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| 14:38.44 | frealek | liquide: k cya |
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| 14:39.14 | libre | so erm, HP bailed on us with hp.sourceforge.net? |
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| 14:40.51 | Knub | how do i copy my log file to my floppy disk? |
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| 14:41.20 | caphuso | Knub: mount your floppy (mount /floppy), then cp the file over |
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| 14:42.01 | niklash | I'm trying to use /etc/apt/preferences to make apt track testing (while still being able to install unstable packages). Though I've copied the example in apt_preferences(5) apt-get still downloads from unstable on dist-upgrade. |
| 14:42.08 | ljlane | libre, read the informative blurb on inkjet.sf.net? |
| 14:42.57 | libre | hpinkjet.sourceforge.net is what I found ... |
| 14:42.59 | Knub | caphuso: do i type cp logfile A: ? |
| 14:43.00 | jameson | How can I force a packet removal? |
| 14:43.15 | libre | so that's okay - just wasn't sure if it was as comprehensive as the old page. |
| 14:43.27 | niklash | jameson: dpkg --remove <packagename> |
| 14:43.40 | libre | just was rather a shock to see it gone suddenly :) |
| 14:43.55 | caphuso | Knub: no, "cp logfile /floppy" and buy yourself a unix introduction book |
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| 14:44.12 | niklash | jameson: You may have to add --force-xxx if you want to force removal of "unremovable" packages. |
| 14:44.55 | jameson | niklash: Thanks! Turns out there also is a "--ignore-depends" switch. |
| 14:44.55 | niklash | jameson: Or do apt-get remove <packagename> to remove dependancies too. |
| 14:44.56 | Knub | caphuso : im trying to get the book |
| 14:45.27 | MarcoPau | hi dudes. If I do aterm -tr -sh 40 -fg white -fn "-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-0-iso8859-15" the font comes absolutely big and wide. What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:46.11 | libre | hmm, question on using the hpijs debs - how can I get these to show up in CUPS? They don't currently appear under HP makes - I can edit config files manually, but it seems to indicate that the web interface should show these properly. |
| 14:46.18 | archie | Anyone knows how to prevent icewm from interpreting alt-clicking in a window as a move-window command? Can't find it in my preferences. |
| 14:46.50 | niklash | Solved my own problem. I had unstable before testing in sources.list. Guess if the version is the same it'll download from the first source. Confusing. |
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| 14:49.09 | holycow | *hmmm* how would i check/find out which alsa driver module my sound card needs? |
| 14:49.33 | Sebulba02 | check the alsa website? |
| 14:49.40 | holycow | more to the point how do i find out what the onboard soundcard is (builtinto mobo)? |
| 14:49.49 | asg | holycow: lspci -v |
| 14:50.02 | holycow | good point sebulba :) |
| 14:50.06 | holycow | danke asg! |
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| 14:51.25 | holycow | oh thats a wonderfull command, thanks asg :) |
| 14:51.48 | asg | holycow: you're welcome |
| 14:51.57 | Desiac | whats the command to access the package installer that is first run when u install debian |
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| 14:52.11 | asg | Desiac: apt-setup |
| 14:52.13 | petemc | Desiac: tasksel, but it sucks imho |
| 14:52.14 | caphuso | Desiac: dselect or tasksel |
| 14:52.28 | Desiac | thanks all |
| 14:52.57 | Desiac | asg: yeah trien to get my x to work, none of my configs are working |
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| 14:53.23 | asg | Desiac: did you /msg dpkg set u x ? |
| 14:53.27 | petemc | !tell Desiac about set up x |
| 14:53.28 | asg | grrr |
| 14:53.29 | petemc | heh |
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| 14:53.52 | asg | petemc: I'm having issues with my 'p' this morning evidently ;) |
| 14:54.08 | w00ter | asg: you should drink more water |
| 14:54.10 | petemc | haha |
| 14:54.31 | asg | w00ter: I should, but that would prevent my beer consumption |
| 14:54.45 | w00ter | asg: beer is just coloured water...that's what i tell myself anyway |
| 14:54.52 | liquide | frealek: back |
| 14:54.58 | asg | w00ter: 'yellow water with gas in it' -- DNA |
| 14:55.11 | w00ter | yeh |
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| 14:55.30 | jameson | Are there any alternate sources for the libc packages, with newer/patched glibc? |
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| 14:55.42 | tarzeau | jameson: than sid? |
| 14:55.46 | jameson | tarzeau: Yes. |
| 14:55.53 | tarzeau | jameson: i don't think so |
| 14:55.57 | jameson | tarzeau: Crap. |
| 14:56.00 | tarzeau | jameson: but there is different c libraries |
| 14:56.01 | w00ter | jameson: apt-get.org? |
| 14:56.02 | tarzeau | like dietlibc |
| 14:56.11 | tarzeau | jameson: and the bsd's have another lib c too |
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| 14:56.22 | jameson | tarzeau: Does dietlibc include libdl? |
| 14:56.27 | tarzeau | jameson: maybe experimental has one more |
| 14:56.33 | tarzeau | jameson: what's libdl? |
| 14:56.42 | jameson | tarzeau: Dynamic linker library. It's broken in sid. |
| 14:56.50 | jameson | tarzeau: (at least on Alpha.) |
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| 14:57.09 | tarzeau | aha |
| 14:57.17 | tarzeau | jameson: did you check bugs.debian.org/libc6 ? |
| 14:57.24 | tarzeau | jameson: or whatever it exactly is |
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| 14:57.34 | tarzeau | jameson: you too can file bug reports including patches to fix the problem |
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| 14:57.45 | liquide | frealek: ? |
| 14:58.13 | jameson | tarzeau: I don't really want to mess with libc unless I absolutely have to. I should check the bug db if it's up again, of course, thanks for reminding me! |
| 14:58.15 | frealek | liquide: the last error message you gave stated that /usr/src/linux/build did not exist |
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| 14:58.21 | liquide | yup |
| 14:58.37 | frealek | liquide: check if /usr/src/linux is a symlink to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22 |
| 14:58.41 | frealek | it should be |
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| 14:59.15 | liquide | frealek: how do i check that? |
| 14:59.27 | petemc | liquide: ls -la /usr/src |
| 14:59.32 | mwilson | When was the bug database down? |
| 14:59.45 | petemc | mwilson: after the compromise |
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| 14:59.59 | mwilson | petemc: In other words, not recently. |
| 15:00.11 | petemc | mwilson: yz |
| 15:00.11 | w00ter | jameson: it is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libc5&arch=source |
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| 15:02.09 | pngwn | c |
| 15:02.37 | frealek | liquide: well, sorry the KERNEL_SOURCE should really be /usr/src/linux, and not /usr/src/linux/build, it's the /lib/modules/.../build that points to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22. so try with : KERNEL_SOURCE :=/usr/src/linux (exactly) |
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| 15:05.35 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || If you don't know how to compile a kernel, don't start to learn now. just wait for the 2.6 .deb, ok? || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT IN ALL 2.4 KERNELS < 2.4.23 DSA: http://xrl.us/66p || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
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| 15:06.52 | nvz | feels like I've been here before. |
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| 15:07.26 | ircdevil | how come newpapers supply movie and sound clips in windows-only formats? |
| 15:07.27 | psycose | hi again, well i want to install a cvs kde version from "deb http://oberlin.cems.umn.edu/kdecvs/debian ./ " what main package i must install for apt-get to install all the stuff ? |
| 15:07.44 | w00ter | ircdevil: because they don't know any better |
| 15:07.47 | greycat | ircdevil: newspapers? sound clips? |
| 15:08.12 | nvz | ircdevil: journalists are the lowest scum of the universe, just imagine the people they hire as webmasters |
| 15:08.18 | ircdevil | greycat online news by "newspapers" |
| 15:08.24 | greycat | psycose: how the hell would we know? read the list of packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/) or use apt-cache search. |
| 15:08.32 | liquide | frealek: got the error? |
| 15:08.33 | ircdevil | nvz theid hire lawyers? |
| 15:08.34 | greycat | ircdevil: you mean web sites? |
| 15:08.42 | ircdevil | greycat yes |
| 15:08.52 | greycat | ircdevil: because they're run by morons |
| 15:09.23 | nvz | I have a major psycotic fucking hatred toward journalists |
| 15:09.54 | Bruutje | I against our garbagecompany |
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| 15:10.04 | Bruutje | they come to get te trash at 4 at night |
| 15:10.12 | Bruutje | idiots |
| 15:10.17 | nvz | anyone who stands around watching disater strike with a microphone and a camera, or a pen and a pad, getting in the way and annoying people, doesnt go too well with me |
| 15:10.17 | psycose | greycat thanks... |
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| 15:10.38 | frealek | liquide: go to your sources directory, then do a "make menuconfig", and exit with save |
| 15:10.40 | ircdevil | nvz no? |
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| 15:10.46 | Tidus-chan | hi everyone |
| 15:10.51 | encrypt | why does uniq doesnt work with cat but sort? |
| 15:11.00 | Tidus-chan | can you explain about the logo to me? |
| 15:11.07 | silas- | encrypt: How are you using it? |
| 15:11.07 | liquide | frealek: and my source directory is? |
| 15:11.07 | ircdevil | nvz but the public has a right to know! |
| 15:11.09 | asg | !+logo |
| 15:11.10 | dpkg | it has been said that logo is a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that |
| 15:11.14 | frealek | liquide: /usr/src/linux |
| 15:11.28 | greycat | encrypt: because it needs sorted input. |
| 15:11.31 | encrypt | silas-: cat file |uniq <- doesnt work -------- sort file |uniq <- work..... why? |
| 15:11.37 | encrypt | ahh |
| 15:11.41 | greycat | encrypt: because that's how it's written |
| 15:11.51 | encrypt | alright.. thanks |
| 15:12.08 | nvz | ircdevil: yeah well thats just the journalists and reporters being good at what they do I suppose, but I am absolutly sure it has gone too far on more than one occation |
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| 15:12.29 | frealek | liquide: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 15:13.33 | liquide | frealek: shit, a configuration screen |
| 15:13.33 | nvz | this monitor of mine tends to have these seizures when I am in lower screen modes like 640x480 on a game, or in console as I am now.. I am not sure if its a problem with the monitor, or if its just the fact that the thing is so fucking big its catching interference |
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| 15:14.01 | frealek | liquide: ignore the configuration, just get out with save :) |
| 15:14.08 | hackeron | hey, I'm a little lost, how do I make tail work by number of lines, so as new lines are added it shows them (since file is being replaced with more lines) rather than tail by comparing previous output with new output? (I tried --follow=name but that just shows entire file everytime it is replaced) |
| 15:14.08 | nvz | I think thats why I got it for free.. apperently the business that bought it used it in text-mode primarily, and they thought it was no good |
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| 15:14.22 | liquide | frealek: done |
| 15:14.24 | ircdevil | nvz foxnews started the war in iraq? |
| 15:14.26 | greycat | hackeron: tail -f |
| 15:14.36 | frealek | liquide: then make again your driver |
| 15:14.37 | liquide | frealek: run the make in the drivers thingy now? |
| 15:14.51 | ircdevil | and they will prolly get a prize for it |
| 15:15.04 | hackeron | greycat: that's not by lines and it doesn't work when file is replaced with new file that has same content but more lines |
| 15:15.16 | strider_ | excuse me i am missing /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se, what debian package should i download ? |
| 15:15.20 | nvz | ircdevil: I dont know I tune in to google news occationaly, and read the local classifieds from time to time.. but other than that, I dont watch TV or listen to the Radio or anything |
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| 15:15.25 | greycat | hackeron: what the hell are you *doing*? |
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| 15:15.48 | liquide | frealek: shit i did the make with su - |
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| 15:16.00 | frealek | liquide: don't paste me the output as soon as you think it's an error :) read carefully what's displayed, and do as stated |
| 15:16.09 | frealek | liquide: not really a problem if you trust the source |
| 15:16.15 | liquide | oki |
| 15:16.24 | jes__ | ho |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | strider_: /msg dpkg find xmodmap.se |
| 15:16.33 | frealek | liquide: but that's probably better to compile as non-root as a habit |
| 15:16.37 | asg | jes__: are you a Thundercat? |
| 15:16.46 | liquide | frealek: sure, i'll remember that |
| 15:16.52 | jes__ | how can I turn on my DHCP client? |
| 15:17.00 | hackeron | greycat: never mind that.. I want tail to compare the number of lines and subtract the new number of lines from old number of lines dependless of the content and just show new lines added even if previous ones were change |
| 15:17.06 | liquide | frealek: the second make made a loong error :P |
| 15:17.10 | fflush | jes__: man interfaces |
| 15:17.12 | frealek | liquide: the output wants you to type "make" again, then do it. you'll need to make install as root after that |
| 15:17.18 | frealek | oh ok |
| 15:17.24 | frealek | paste me the 20 1st lines |
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| 15:17.44 | jes__ | fflush: thanks! |
| 15:17.59 | nvz | ircdevil: I am not against providing news, I just dont like extremists, which nearly all news reporters and journalists tend to fall into that category. |
| 15:18.06 | hackeron | anyone knows how I can make tail work to display new lines EVEN if old lines have been changed? (without re-displaying the entire file with all changes) |
| 15:18.19 | psycose | is their a way to know the version of a package in experimental without package.debian.org ? |
| 15:19.25 | asg | psycose: apt-cache policy <pkg> if you have experimental sources (a la /msg dpkg experimental) |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | psycose: /msg dpkg pkgname experimental |
| 15:19.39 | frealek | liquide: checking my kernel source content... |
| 15:19.43 | liquide | k |
| 15:20.03 | nvz | abrotman: you forgot the keyword 'info' |
| 15:20.24 | abrotman | damn me .. |
| 15:20.44 | nvz | yeah dpkg will just tell you that he has no idea what you are talking about without that |
| 15:20.54 | abrotman | yes .. i forgot.. |
| 15:21.07 | abrotman | perhaps i should refrain from answering until i shower |
| 15:21.57 | hackeron | rephrasing question one last time :) How do I tail new added lines to a file as they appear while still wanting to use sed to replace lines in the file? (so tail just shows new lines ignoring the modified ones) |
| 15:21.59 | psycose | thanks asg |
| 15:21.59 | strider_ | what package contains GNOME, apt-cache returns to many hits |
| 15:22.05 | asg | psycose: you're welcome |
| 15:22.06 | psycose | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:22.34 | abrotman | psycose: did you add the info part? |
| 15:22.51 | jor | strider_: gnome |
| 15:22.54 | psycose | abrotman the info part ? |
| 15:22.59 | asg | hackeron: some odd combination of diff, sed, watch, and a temp file or two |
| 15:23.04 | abrotman | psycose: /msg dpkg info pkgname experimental |
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| 15:23.09 | abrotman | i forgot it the first time |
| 15:23.16 | psycose | oki thanks |
| 15:23.19 | strider_ | jor: Couldn't find package gnome |
| 15:23.35 | hackeron | asg: well, I never managed to watch to work properly, as soon as you redirect output, it's just way too messy to be used |
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| 15:24.02 | jor | strider_: ohh, could be only in unstable, how about 'gnome-desktop-enviroment'? |
| 15:24.35 | strider_ | jor: no |
| 15:24.49 | abrotman | strider_: stable,testing,sid? |
| 15:24.57 | asg | hackeron: use 'tee' to redirect output while still displaying it to console |
| 15:25.06 | strider_ | abrotman: stable |
| 15:25.44 | hackeron | asg: thats what I did, try it!, You'll get something like this: ^[(B^[)0^[[?1049h^[[1;64r^[[m^O^[[4l^[[?7h^[[H^[[2JEvery 2s: echo something^[[135GFri Jan 2 15:31:41 2004^[[3;1Hsomething^[[64;158H |
| 15:26.07 | abrotman | gnome-core? .. i dont have any stable boxes with X |
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| 15:26.35 | asg | hackeron: yeah, the escape sequences for doing redraws |
| 15:26.52 | asg | hackeron: wait, didn't this get covered yesterday morning? |
| 15:27.04 | strider_ | gnome corde did it |
| 15:27.07 | strider_ | core |
| 15:27.11 | strider_ | still no sign of xmodmap.se |
| 15:27.12 | strider_ | :( |
| 15:27.27 | hackeron | asg: nope |
| 15:27.29 | abrotman | strider_: gnome-applets |
| 15:27.55 | abrotman | !find xmodmap.se |
| 15:28.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xmodmap.se' (1 shown): (/usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se) in gnome/gnome-applets. |
| 15:28.03 | asg | hackeron: well, use a while loop in sh to recreate 'watch' without the escape nonsense |
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| 15:28.10 | strider_ | abrotman: ok |
| 15:28.17 | liquide | frealek: finding anything? |
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| 15:28.23 | amundsen | hi |
| 15:28.35 | amundsen | i get this message when i try to use xawtv |
| 15:28.36 | hackeron | asg: I have no problem with a while loop, I have no idea which regex to use to filter out the escape nonsense though |
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| 15:28.37 | amundsen | This is xawtv-3.72, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.0) |
| 15:28.37 | amundsen | WARNING: v4l and x11 disagree about the color depth |
| 15:28.37 | amundsen | WARNING: fbuf.depth=24, x11 depth=32 |
| 15:28.37 | amundsen | WARNING: Is v4l-conf installed correctly? |
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| 15:28.42 | nvz | !find wnck-applet |
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| 15:28.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wnck-applet' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet) in gnome/gnome-panel. |
| 15:28.56 | nvz | anyone know what that is? |
| 15:28.58 | amundsen | his is xawtv-3.72, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.0) |
| 15:29.01 | amundsen | WARNING: v4l and x11 disagree about the color depth |
| 15:29.04 | amundsen | WARNING: fbuf.depth=24, x11 depth=32 |
| 15:29.07 | amundsen | WARNING: Is v4l-conf installed correctly? |
| 15:29.10 | strider_ | abrotman: well |
| 15:29.10 | amundsen | WARNING: overlay mode disabled |
| 15:29.21 | strider_ | abrotman: i installed applets and did locate xmodmap | grep se |
| 15:29.24 | strider_ | and no hits |
| 15:29.24 | strider_ | :( |
| 15:29.28 | asg | hackeron: which logfile are you monitoring? |
| 15:30.04 | DJ_TBX | can anyone copy its /etc/networks/interfaces to me in query ? |
| 15:30.09 | hackeron | asg: any logfile, doesn't matter, I have a log file, I want to monitor it, but also make changes to it while monitoring, but I only wish to list new lines added, not the lines modified |
| 15:30.13 | nvz | My cousin's pc I setup the Gnome 2.4 splash screen stays long after his desktop and panels have loaded, it hangs on wnck-applet, I dont even know what that is, does anyone know? |
| 15:30.21 | The_Vulture | DJ_TBX: why? the ifupdown package comes with a nice man page and several examples |
| 15:30.29 | The_Vulture | if you dpkg -L ifupdown |
| 15:30.32 | The_Vulture | you'll see where they are.. |
| 15:30.41 | The_Vulture | man 5 interfaces |
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| 15:31.03 | strider_ | how do you check if you have stable/unstable/sid ? |
| 15:31.16 | nvz | strider_: dpkg -l libc6, and tell me what version |
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| 15:31.31 | nvz | strider_: unstable = sid |
| 15:31.33 | silas- | strider_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:31.41 | strider_ | ii libc6 2.2.5-11.5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:31.41 | strider_ | debian:/# |
| 15:31.52 | frealek | liquide: yes, just wait, I'm solving it :) |
| 15:31.55 | hackeron | asg: because I know which changes I make, I don't want to view them again, just want to see new added lines |
| 15:32.02 | nvz | strider_: thats woody/stable |
| 15:32.04 | liquide | frealek: oki |
| 15:32.19 | DJ_TBX | The_Vulture but to me it says "siocdelrt: No such process" |
| 15:32.25 | nvz | !info libc6 stable |
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| 15:32.27 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 15:32.40 | marcm | j #rhel |
| 15:32.47 | marcm | sorry |
| 15:33.56 | strider_ | so there must be some package which installs gnome, all important components |
| 15:34.08 | nvz | DJ_TBX: thats a completly harmless error, usually means the interface is already down, and cant be taken down |
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| 15:35.16 | McCabe | hi |
| 15:35.25 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.26 | hackeron | does anyone know a way to view new added lines in a file as they appear while IGNORING any changes made to previous lines? (fail -f doesn't ignore and shows them again which doesn't work for me) |
| 15:35.28 | DJ_TBX | Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0/inet. |
| 15:35.29 | silas- | I'm trying to get nagios-mysql running on a sarge machine, but whenever I go to the webpage I get "premature end of script headers" I can manually run the CGI's from the command line after setting REQUEST_METHOD and REMOTE_USER. Any ideas? |
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| 15:35.44 | frealek | liquide: just as you read in the readme file, I just figured out you needed to make dep the sources ;) |
| 15:35.45 | abrotman | psycose: for stable .. look on kde.org |
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| 15:35.52 | frealek | liquide: then it should work |
| 15:36.01 | liquide | frealek: oki, make dep anywhere? |
| 15:36.11 | frealek | cd /usr/src/linux && make dep |
| 15:36.28 | nvz | DJ_TBX: I dont follow what you are doing, perhaps you could explain the task, and perhaps paste your /etc/network/interfaces file in #flood? |
| 15:36.41 | psycose | abrotman: well i'm on sid and it was kde3.1 ... i'm looking for 3.2 ... all this stuff is to get kwintv3 .... my favorite desktop is gnome ;-) |
| 15:37.15 | strider_ | should be this hard just getting a swedish keymap |
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| 15:37.42 | Dewi | strider_ : oh my god |
| 15:37.42 | DJ_TBX | nvz i want to configure my network |
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| 15:37.56 | Dewi | strider_ : if you chose that name in the last few days/weeks, I hate you |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | psycose: www.apt-get.org .. dunno if its for sid though |
| 15:38.04 | Dewi | strider_ : if you chose it before the last couple of years, I really pity you |
| 15:38.09 | strider_ | Dewi: why ? |
| 15:38.18 | Dewi | strider_ : isn't it obvious? |
| 15:38.20 | psycose | abrotman: all is here http://wiki.debian.net/DebianKDE thanks ;-) |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | psycose: http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=kwintv3&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386 |
| 15:38.31 | strider_ | Dewi: no |
| 15:38.45 | asg | Dewi: Registered: 5 weeks 5 days (22h 41m 16s) ago |
| 15:38.55 | Dewi | asg : that's a hate then |
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| 15:39.06 | nvz | DJ_TBX: ok.. is there currently a problem? ifdown eth0; ifdown eth0, then test your configuration? |
| 15:39.08 | Dewi | asg : but I mean... it could have been his nick for years like on another network |
| 15:39.11 | Dewi | asg : we could hope |
| 15:39.15 | liquide | frealek: now the second make worked |
| 15:39.16 | asg | Dewi: you never know :) |
| 15:39.17 | psycose | abrotman: in the output of apt-get concerning kwintv ... one deb package is corrupted... thanks and see u .. |
| 15:39.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:39.29 | nvz | DJ_TBX: the config looks fine to me, the network, and broadcast lines should not really be nessicary |
| 15:39.48 | strider_ | !find xmodmap.se |
| 15:39.51 | frealek | liquide: then you just have to make install as root, then modprobe the freshly compiled module, and voila :) |
| 15:39.53 | DJ_TBX | ifdown eth0 |
| 15:39.53 | DJ_TBX | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xmodmap.se' (1 shown): (/usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se) in gnome/gnome-applets. |
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| 15:40.10 | nvz | DJ_TBX: that is not a problem, I already told you that, just ignore it. |
| 15:40.21 | asg | hackeron: when you make a change, perhaps you could add a prefix (a la *** my change ***) and grep -v that out of the tail -f output |
| 15:40.22 | strider_ | lies lies lies, its not in gnome-applets |
| 15:40.23 | strider_ | :) |
| 15:40.30 | nvz | DJ_TBX: it simply means it tried to kill the interface and its already dead |
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| 15:40.43 | nvz | DJ_TBX: bring it up and go on with life |
| 15:40.54 | hackeron | asg: still doesn't work if logfile is rotated (which it is) |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | strider_: on my box .. i have xmodmap.se .. and it came from gnome-applets (sarge) |
| 15:41.24 | nvz | DJ_TBX: no error ifdown could ever throw out means anything.. its bringing DOWN the interface.. errors bringin UP the interface are the ones you should be concerned with |
| 15:41.29 | caphuso | hackeron: how is the log file rotated? |
| 15:41.32 | DJ_TBX | nvz after a ifdown, if i make an ifconfig -a, eth0 still ahve an ip, is this normal ? |
| 15:41.45 | nvz | DJ_TBX: ifconfig -a brings the interface up |
| 15:41.51 | strider_ | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:42.01 | DJ_TBX | nvz okay |
| 15:42.12 | abrotman | strider_: if you `locate xmodmap.se` .. do you get anything? |
| 15:42.21 | asg | strider_: what debian are you using? |
| 15:42.29 | hackeron | caphuso: log file is replaced with the same log file with new lines after modification |
| 15:42.37 | strider_ | asg stable |
| 15:42.45 | caphuso | hackeron: replaced by what? |
| 15:42.46 | hackeron | caphuso: I just want to display the new lines |
| 15:42.48 | nishin | odd how I never even had to consider having xmodmap-maps. they were always just there :P |
| 15:42.53 | asg | !find xmodmap.se woody |
| 15:42.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xmodmap.se' (1 shown): (/usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se) in x11/gnome-applets. |
| 15:43.13 | DJ_TBX | nvz i have a pc that is a router, how do i make linux to use it ? |
| 15:43.15 | hackeron | caphuso: do |
| 15:43.15 | hackeron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.15 | hackeron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.15 | hackeron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.15 | hackeron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.31 | grib | anybody using the experimental distribution hit a problem with the Packages file? I get an apt 'unable to parse' error this morning. |
| 15:43.32 | nvz | DJ_TBX: thats what the GATEWAY x.x.x.x is |
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| 15:43.55 | nvz | DJ_TBX: points it to the internet router/gateway |
| 15:44.13 | hackeron | caphuso: ... |
| 15:44.19 | strider_ | apt-get inhmm weird |
| 15:44.20 | Midian | console-data has a bug |
| 15:44.39 | caphuso | hackeron: i lost any interest in helping you, you don't need to wait for me to answer anymore |
| 15:44.43 | Midian | KDSKBENT: Invalid argument |
| 15:44.44 | Midian | failed to bind key 256 to value 638 |
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| 15:45.04 | DJ_TBX | nvz i have it pointed to the gateway, but i cant ping an ip on the net, nor resolve a name |
| 15:45.09 | Midian | and my ' key isnt working |
| 15:45.13 | nvz | DJ_TBX: why not just do EXACTLY what I said, type "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" on one line an press enter ignore everything you see or think, test the network connection, try pinging that box, then ask questions when something doesnt work |
| 15:45.21 | hackeron | caphuso: ok, thanks for letting me know, but please save me the time and don't ask me a question to begin with |
| 15:45.31 | strider_ | !find xmodmap.se |
| 15:45.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xmodmap.se' (1 shown): (/usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.se) in gnome/gnome-applets. |
| 15:45.53 | nvz | DJ_TBX: perhaps your router isnt setup properly, but you couldnt possibly know, because you havent yet determined that your local intranet is working |
| 15:45.58 | abrotman | strider_: does `locate xmodmap.se` return anything? |
| 15:46.02 | asg | strider_: if you have gnome-applets, do a dpkg -L gnome-applets | grep xmodmap.se |
| 15:46.08 | Ryuujin | *sigh* |
| 15:46.58 | nvz | DJ_TBX: just try pinging the gateway, then try from the gateway or another machine on the network pinging that PC, and if that is all fine, then I suggest you concentrate on your router that isnt routing |
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| 15:47.29 | ToreSB | HAPPY SMILE! |
| 15:48.32 | farmboy | Where do I go to fix this: |
| 15:48.33 | farmboy | ssh: connect to host 192.168.20.105 port 22: Connection refused |
| 15:48.33 | farmboy | 'startkde' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 15:48.33 | farmboy | operable program or batch file. |
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| 15:48.38 | zophyx | why can't i read /proc/kcore with mmap(..) ? |
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| 15:49.35 | nvz | you could start by not pasting ANYTHING in here, and clarifying what you are trying to do as startkde and ssh are two completly unrelated programs |
| 15:49.47 | DJ_TBX | nvz ifup tel me "Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0/inet." |
| 15:49.51 | mage_ | !tell farmboy about flood |
| 15:50.15 | nvz | DJ_TBX: spell address right in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:50.15 | zophyx | here let me paste the first few pages of my code... |
| 15:50.26 | The_Vulture | seems a little OT.. |
| 15:50.32 | jes__ | is there a way to use apt-get to install OpenOffice? |
| 15:50.56 | abrotman | jes__: open office is in sarge and sid |
| 15:51.02 | asg | jes__: generally apt-get install openoffice.org (but only in sid and sarge) |
| 15:51.03 | nvz | DJ_TBX: run your spel chekker on that file, and then maybe it will wurk |
| 15:51.18 | DJ_TBX | nvz how do i do this ? |
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| 15:51.54 | zophyx | ok, here it comes |
| 15:52.06 | psycose | well i'm searching a good tv program (other that xawtv & kwintv) ? what do you think ? |
| 15:52.12 | Covener | psycose: tvtime |
| 15:52.15 | hackeron | does anyone know a way to view new added lines in a file as they appear while IGNORING any changes made to previous lines? (fail -f doesn't ignore and shows them again which doesn't work for me and descripter option doesn't support log file rotating) |
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| 15:52.42 | Covener | hackeron: diff against a backup? |
| 15:52.46 | jes__ | asg: what about woody (with 2.4 kernel)? |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | jes__: otherwise search at www.apt-get.org for openoffice |
| 15:53.13 | asg | jes__: download a binary distro from the website and stuff it in /usr/local or perhaps view the backports at apt-get.org |
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| 15:53.22 | psycose | thanks Covener |
| 15:53.25 | hackeron | Covener: yeah, but then I will have the loop running 20 times simultaneously slowing the crap out of my system |
| 15:53.45 | kdog | I've been asked to track internet usage and I'm sure there are many ways to do it. What do people recommend? What to look at what to avoid? |
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| 15:53.56 | madness | kdog: web usage, or internet usage ? |
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| 15:54.00 | asg | hackeron: instead of mv file file, try cat file > file (that should keep the descriptor) |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | kdog: usage by users .. or usage on a server? |
| 15:54.23 | kdog | madness: web |
| 15:54.30 | jes__ | abrotman&asg: thanks |
| 15:54.33 | madness | kdog: for users on an internal network ? |
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| 15:54.37 | kdog | abrotman: by users |
| 15:54.40 | madness | kdog: best to force everyone through a proxy |
| 15:54.48 | nvz | DJ_TBX: do what? learn how to spell? |
| 15:54.58 | kdog | madness: that is just what I was going to type in :-) |
| 15:55.10 | hackeron | asg: too slow |
| 15:55.10 | madness | kdog: <insert legal disclaimer here about tracking users> |
| 15:55.18 | DJ_TBX | nvz how ro check the spell |
| 15:55.25 | hackeron | asg: when I cat, then tail shows trancated file because tail runs simultaneously |
| 15:55.30 | farmboy | I am tring to get the KDE desktop working on my new Debian Linux system. I am logged in as root, and I type command startkde. It says: |
| 15:55.49 | ToreSB | farmboy: "You are an idiot"? |
| 15:56.01 | nvz | DJ_TBX: oh, I dont know. but from what you pasted in #flood seems you spelled Address "Adress" which means when ifupdown looks at that file it sees no IP address to assign |
| 15:56.02 | ToreSB | farmboy: "Get offa root, ya dope!"? |
| 15:56.02 | farmboy | xsetroot: unable to open display |
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| 15:56.13 | madness | kdog: you should of course, ensure that whatever laws apply to monitoring where you are being followed. |
| 15:56.18 | kdog | madness: yeah, we don't have a "internet/computer use policy" in place. |
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| 15:56.32 | fgh | hi |
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| 15:56.39 | abrotman | kdog: do you have to track sites .. or just bandwidth consumed? |
| 15:56.40 | TrC | Hi |
| 15:56.48 | DJ_TBX | nvz hey this could be the error, it is wth one 'd' in french :/ |
| 15:56.48 | fgh | can anyone tell how to user usb devices under vmware with win2k |
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| 15:56.57 | fgh | the usb devices are running under linux |
| 15:56.58 | madness | kdog: what country are you in ? |
| 15:57.07 | fgh | but in vmware no usb devices will work |
| 15:57.22 | asg | fgh: check with vmware support? |
| 15:57.24 | kdog | abrotman: the boss is just concerned with the expansion of "surfing time", so I guess bandwidth would show that |
| 15:57.24 | nvz | DJ_TBX: heh, imagine that.. well obviously ifupdown isnt french I guess |
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| 15:57.37 | farmboy | Okay I logged into tty2 as a normal user (root still running on tty1) and startkde still says the same thing. |
| 15:57.41 | madness | kdog: it wouldn't show whether that surfing was job relevant |
| 15:57.42 | kdog | madness: US |
| 15:57.50 | teknotus | farmboy: The default setup is to not allow root to login to X. |
| 15:58.00 | DJ_TBX | nvz it works :/ |
| 15:58.04 | kdog | madness: very true. |
| 15:58.06 | ToreSB | farmboy: Well, erhm, does X run? |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | kdog: at my office we have a hardware firewall .. it can track for us |
| 15:58.12 | DJ_TBX | thx nvz |
| 15:58.12 | teknotus | farmboy: is X already running? |
| 15:58.20 | nvz | DJ_TBX: well you'll have to learn to spell in english I guess. |
| 15:58.22 | ToreSB | farmboy: Do this as root: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 15:58.39 | madness | kdog: advise that you advise your boss to talk to the company lawyer about the legalities. but it's all very possible. In my last company, we had to get all users to sign a policy document, and make them aware that their usage is monitored. I'm in the UK though. |
| 15:59.05 | kdog | abrotman: I've been thinking about that. what product are you using? |
| 15:59.26 | abrotman | kdog: we have a sonicwall .. dont remember the model though |
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| 15:59.37 | kdog | madness: yes, I shall do that, which will prolly result in the formation of a usage policy :-) |
| 15:59.55 | madness | kdog: but forcing through proxy is the way forward. |
| 15:59.59 | nerdzrool | Hi, i get a kernel oops |
| 16:00.03 | madness | kdog: calamaris may also be your friend. |
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| 16:00.12 | nerdzrool | How do I log it to a file, so I can report it |
| 16:00.12 | madness | kdog: if you use squid, of course. |
| 16:00.24 | nerdzrool | (without writing everything down :-) ) |
| 16:00.25 | kdog | abrotman: a friend of mine uses sonicwall as well. Will is track usage or just bandwidth? |
| 16:00.26 | abrotman | kdog: ill vote for a proxy too if you need to monitor sites |
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| 16:00.50 | abrotman | kdog: it tracks both .. but the data isn't connected .. it shows bandwidth by IP .. and then traffic to sites |
| 16:01.00 | abrotman | it doesn't match IP to sites |
| 16:01.05 | abrotman | not on the one we have anyways |
| 16:01.22 | nerdzrool | Can anyone tell me how to log an oops to a file? |
| 16:01.23 | asg | ToreSB: that's scary |
| 16:01.27 | kdog | madness: squid would be the first I'd look at, and I'll look into calamaris, thanks |
| 16:01.31 | abrotman | and it shows bandwidth by http,pop3,ssh etc |
| 16:01.43 | ToreSB | asg: <3 Vinyl will never die <3 |
| 16:01.46 | nvz | is there any way to change console resolution without a framebuffer device? |
| 16:01.50 | libre | hmm. when mutt tries to save a mail to an nfs mount, it can't successfully lock the file. can I tell mutt to either not do locking, or use a flag in the NFS config to fix this? (insecure_locks does not work) |
| 16:01.59 | ToreSB | asg: I`ve got sgt. Peppers too |
| 16:02.02 | asg | ToreSB: it will if you pour gasoline on it and light a match :) |
| 16:02.14 | madness | kdog: squid is also a bandwidth saver, and a reasonably efficent URL blocker |
| 16:02.22 | ToreSB | asg: No, it will turn into a techno record. ;) |
| 16:02.22 | asg | ToreSB: I've got every Kansas till 'Power' :) |
| 16:02.26 | greycat | I use squid as a URL UN-blocker |
| 16:02.41 | greycat | people who block URLs need to be beaten |
| 16:02.42 | liquide | i get en error when i do " modprobe emu10k1 ", can anyone take a look at the error? |
| 16:02.45 | kdog | abrotman: ahh, thanks. It seems that a combination would be good. sonicwall to note spikes in usage and hten squid to act on a specific PC |
| 16:02.49 | petemc | ive used it to get past stupid isps caches |
| 16:03.03 | madness | greycat: well, "those upstairs demand" |
| 16:03.21 | greycat | madness: then those upstairs should receive the first beatings |
| 16:03.24 | ToreSB | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.25 | abrotman | kdog: im actually not supposed to monitor usage .. as my boss is the biggest surfer in my office :) |
| 16:03.35 | madness | greycat: also, blocking certain types of files to end lusers can help reduce the spread of windows worms |
| 16:03.46 | kdog | madness abrotman: we use DHCP for our PCs. Does that present any special challenges in matching up usage to machines? I don't think our PCs are changing licenses too much but I haven't looked. |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | kdog: ie .. i download ISOs sometimes .. and my boss still beats me |
| 16:04.10 | kdog | abrotman: yeah, I have a feeling my boss would be on the radar as well :-/ |
| 16:04.12 | greycat | kdog: if you really care, just set up a MAC-to-IP mapping in your DHCP server |
| 16:04.13 | madness | kdog: it would do, yes, unless you do dynamic dns with it (eeeevil). |
| 16:04.19 | kdog | abrotman: yikes! |
| 16:04.21 | nvz | ok I am changing directions then.. where is good info for fine-tuning a framebuffer console, becasue last time I used it on this system I could not see anything |
| 16:04.23 | abrotman | kdog: we use dhcp too .. but we are <20 .. so i can figure it out rather easily |
| 16:04.39 | mage_ | dns with dhcp is bad ? |
| 16:04.39 | petemc | kdog: it doesnt for me, tho i make sure everyone gets the same ip by putting their mac address in the dhcpd config |
| 16:04.52 | mage_ | why is it evil madness ? |
| 16:04.53 | fgh | kann mir jemand sagen wie ich usb devices unter vmware mit win2k zum laufen bekomme? |
| 16:04.59 | abrotman | kdog: but like i said .. i can't match sites to IP with that firewall |
| 16:04.59 | fgh | oder wer bei dem es geht |
| 16:04.59 | kdog | greycat: duh, why didn't that occur to me. |
| 16:05.02 | greycat | fgh: #debian.de |
| 16:05.07 | fgh | oh sorry |
| 16:05.08 | mage_ | I use dynamic dns update with bind 9 |
| 16:05.10 | sussudio | fgh: immer grade aus |
| 16:05.10 | fgh | wrong channel |
| 16:05.28 | madness | mage_: it's been a while since I looked at it, but my impression is that you have to set TTL times to practically nothing |
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| 16:05.35 | madness | mage_: which is evil. |
| 16:05.39 | greycat | kdog: then they're smarter than the average luser |
| 16:05.45 | petemc | kdog: how likely is that |
| 16:05.45 | abrotman | kdog: weld the cases shut :) |
| 16:05.46 | fgh | can anyone tell how to setup vmware workstation for usb devices? |
| 16:05.59 | madness | fgh: vmware support |
| 16:06.00 | greycat | kdog: if they're smart enough to do that, you don't need to protect them |
| 16:06.02 | LoRez | fgh: the nice folks that sell it can |
| 16:06.05 | madness | fgh: you did pay for it, right ? |
| 16:06.15 | abrotman | ToreSB: how big is it? |
| 16:06.18 | fgh | yes, i've payed for that |
| 16:06.19 | asg | kdog: you will never find a pure technology solution; always have a cogent policy to which all users are required to agree |
| 16:06.23 | nvz | if I can use a higer resolution like 800x600, 1024x768, or 1152x864, I figure my console would not shake anymore. |
| 16:06.26 | kdog | petemc: thanks |
| 16:06.26 | mitten | I am thinking how to do about installing 2.4 gnome. I am using debian which currently has 1.4 |
| 16:06.32 | ToreSB | Actually, it`s an operators panel and a rack... |
| 16:06.39 | fgh | and i've win2k :) |
| 16:06.55 | madness | fgh: then their support department or the support on the website should help. |
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| 16:07.16 | ToreSB | abrotman: It`s got three switches and about 25 lights |
| 16:08.13 | kdog | abrotman madness asg: thanks for the info, lots to think about. |
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| 16:09.12 | Steven_ | :packages have been kept back" -> what does that mean, and why are they being kept back? |
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| 16:09.39 | Drim | hi all |
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| 16:10.39 | Drim | how configure the keyboard ? |
| 16:10.46 | tarzeau | Drim: in x or console? |
| 16:10.57 | Drim | console |
| 16:11.09 | tarzeau | loadkeys sg-latin1 is what i do |
| 16:11.11 | mitten | any one share ideas of src compile gnome? |
| 16:11.12 | greycat | /msg apt keymap |
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| 16:11.25 | greycat | mitten: wow, you must really like pain |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | mitten: look for a backport at www.apt-get.org |
| 16:11.29 | Drim | i want a french keyboarf |
| 16:11.36 | tarzeau | greycat: what can you say about not using kde and gnome, again? |
| 16:11.37 | greycat | I want a french maid |
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| 16:11.47 | ToreSB | I want a french kiss |
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| 16:11.53 | tarzeau | Drim: loadkeys fr mabe |
| 16:11.54 | greycat | ~french kiss ToreSB |
| 16:11.58 | | ACTION sticks it's tongue down kiss ToreSB's throat to taste what kiss ToreSB had for dinner |
| 16:11.58 | tarzeau | ToreSB: heh |
| 16:12.03 | greycat | bah! |
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| 16:12.04 | tarzeau | apt gender |
| 16:12.07 | | i heard gender is Male :D Females dont really count. see <sex> :P |
| 16:12.07 | ircdevil | i want french ... |
| 16:12.11 | greycat | apt, cmd: french kiss (.*?) =~ s/it's/its/ |
| 16:12.11 | | i didn't have anything called 'cmd: french kiss (.*?)', greycat |
| 16:12.18 | greycat | bah bah! |
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| 16:12.36 | chacal | whois saiya |
| 16:12.42 | ToreSB | ~french the goatse man |
| 16:12.45 | | ACTION sticks it's tongue down the goatse man's throat to taste what the goatse man had for dinner |
| 16:12.46 | Drim | lol |
| 16:12.48 | greycat | someone is going to be whipped. |
| 16:12.54 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 16:13.10 | greycat | apt, no, gender is <reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure) |
| 16:13.13 | | okay, greycat |
| 16:13.28 | ircdevil | androgyn |
| 16:13.36 | ToreSB | ~gender |
| 16:13.38 | | I'm not sure |
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| 16:13.41 | greycat | apt, rename 'cmd: french (.*?)' 'cmd: french kiss (.*?)' |
| 16:13.41 | | i renamed 'cmd: french (.*?)' to 'cmd: french kiss (.*?)', greycat |
| 16:13.52 | greycat | apt, cmd: french kiss (.*?) =~ s/it's/its/ |
| 16:13.52 | | greycat: i didn't have anything called 'cmd: french kiss (.*?)' |
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| 16:14.09 | frealek | heh |
| 16:14.09 | mitten | abrotman, greycat: whats this new apt-get.org. why is debian.org package system down? Also you recommend dowloading from apt-get.org. how? using adding to src in by aptlist? |
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| 16:14.19 | greycat | mitten: apt-get.org is unofficial |
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| 16:14.50 | greycat | apt, forget cmd: french (.*?) |
| 16:14.50 | | i forgot CMD: french (.*?), greycat |
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| 16:14.54 | greycat | FINALYL! |
| 16:15.07 | Drim | why when i tried to launch emacs, i have : i cant use Alt, Alt Gr and shift :o |
| 16:15.09 | greycat | there are some really fucking *stupid* people in this channel |
| 16:15.09 | tarzeau | apt botsnack |
| 16:15.09 | | thanks, tarzeau |
| 16:15.11 | Drim | oups |
| 16:15.15 | Drim | i cant use Alt, Alt Gr and shift :o |
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| 16:15.33 | tarzeau | sandman: still not sure what to use gentoo or debian? |
| 16:15.33 | mitten | grecat: but its 2.2. I want ot get 2.4 |
| 16:15.44 | greycat | apt, french kiss $1 is <action> sticks (his|her|its) tongue down $1's throat to taste what $1 had for (lunch|dinner) |
| 16:15.46 | | okay, greycat |
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| 16:16.39 | greycat | mitten: once again, your masochism knows no rational boundaries. GNOME 2? Pain. GNOME 2 from source? PAIN! |
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| 16:17.20 | mitten | greycat: what do you mean? gnome 2 or 2.4 is pain? why? |
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| 16:17.37 | Bascule | Can someone point me in the direction of a doc that explaines what packages I need to do gconfig and xconfig for 2.6.x kernels under debian. I just get errors with xconig and missing gtk+ packages with gconfig |
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| 16:17.54 | Bangers | can any apache gurus spare a sec to help me please in regards to .htaccess |
| 16:17.56 | mitten | greycat: then why not just to apg-get upgrade gnome? |
| 16:18.02 | tarzeau | Bangers: /msg apt ask |
| 16:18.04 | greycat | mitten: uh... that's too stupid to answer. |
| 16:18.09 | Bangers | ive created the .htaccess, and passwd file, but access_log is saying user not found |
| 16:18.10 | LoRez | Bangers: this is not #apache |
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| 16:18.27 | tarzeau | Bangers: you do something wrong |
| 16:18.39 | Bangers | LoRez, people in #apache dont seem to talk much :P |
| 16:18.41 | mitten | can we upgrade individual package like that ex. apt-get upgrade gnome? |
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| 16:19.31 | LoRez | Bangers: they expect you to do some of the work |
| 16:19.42 | asg | Bascule: /msg dpkg 2.6 help |
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| 16:20.01 | strider__ | weird xchat is displaying my swedish fonts åäö, but not to me ;) |
| 16:20.07 | greycat | apt, listvals 167524 |
| 16:20.08 | strider__ | doesnt matter what font i choose |
| 16:20.28 | greycat | apt, gnome 2 pain is bugs.debian.org/167524 |
| 16:20.31 | | greycat: okay |
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| 16:21.11 | mitten | any one knows about this problem? my compaq armada e500 laptop makes grinding sound from speakers....it does not give audio sound music any more? I have to mute it by redunduntly connecting a headset to its output |
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| 16:21.30 | Bascule | asg: cheers |
| 16:21.36 | mitten | its ess maestro mixer |
| 16:21.39 | asg | greycat: didn't know you ever attempted to run it |
| 16:21.44 | asg | Bascule: you're welcome |
| 16:21.55 | mitten | also can I upgrade its CPU? |
| 16:21.57 | greycat | asg: I don't make judgments on things I've never tried. |
| 16:22.08 | asg | greycat: true |
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| 16:22.25 | strider__ | is there better client than xchat? |
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| 16:22.35 | asg | strider__: irssi |
| 16:22.39 | Drim | when i tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data , i ihave many message : debconf : Display problem, using dialog .... Failed to dump keymap. this might be because your console cannot be opened |
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| 16:22.43 | strider__ | its giving me major font trouble |
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| 16:23.08 | greycat | asg: isn't amazing how utterly *nothing* was done about that bug report? Not even "Hmm, you know, we really could have failed a bit more gracefully than that if file locking weren't present." -- Just "hey, must be a system problem, closing it" |
| 16:23.24 | grendel | hi, I've got the NIC (a 3Com 3C940 Gbit) drivers. When I had woody I had compiled with make install the drivers sources and then I was ready to make work the generated module. Now I've updated to sid and when I try to compile the drivers I've got the following error: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/drivers/net/3c2000.o someone knows how can I solve this problem? Thanks! |
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| 16:23.58 | asg | greycat: yeah, I've still got 90K worth of patches open on the developer's guide that were never even considered |
| 16:24.19 | asg | greycat: in fact, the only bug that I ever had fixed was on cowsay; go figure |
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| 16:26.06 | greycat | asg: I've had very good results with some of my bug reports |
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| 16:26.26 | greycat | the DDs are a widely inconsistent bunch |
| 16:26.34 | hyksos | hi, how are the tool called for speech recognization |
| 16:26.44 | strider__ | :) |
| 16:26.57 | asg | greycat: that is true |
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| 16:27.13 | strider__ | why is xchat having problems with swedish fonts ? |
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| 16:27.21 | frealek | hyksos: speech recognition : try sphynx2 (sphinx2 ?) |
| 16:27.22 | asg | greycat: admittedly, you've reported more bugs than I |
| 16:27.23 | strider__ | when all other programs work fine |
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| 16:28.05 | frealek | hyksos: apt-cache search speech recognition |
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| 16:28.50 | hyksos | frealek :is it working directly with some browsers and music/video tools? |
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| 16:29.03 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 16:29.06 | asg | eeyore-: hiya |
| 16:29.08 | Scognito | is there a way to use RANDR extension with xfree 4.2? |
| 16:29.25 | frealek | hyksos: not at all |
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| 16:29.55 | hyksos | frealek : hmm, that is what i am searching for, controll some apps with voice |
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| 16:29.58 | frealek | hyksos: if you want something like dragon dictate or something similar, you need to by a linux version, if it exists |
| 16:30.00 | rsff | hyksos: if you are looking for some speech recognition that would work "as well" as IBM's ViaVoice, forget it. None of the projects come near close to it (yet). |
| 16:30.25 | frealek | hyksos: I know some old kde(?) app could run commands by voice |
| 16:30.32 | frealek | but I don't remember its name |
| 16:31.12 | hyksos | frealek : i have used it for some years on a windows box, and worked not bad, full browsing with voice, very convinent |
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| 16:32.17 | grendel | #join /linux |
| 16:32.29 | holy_cow | hehehe :) |
| 16:32.32 | rsff | he he. |
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| 16:32.45 | rsff | try switching the symbols around... |
| 16:33.14 | grendel | aren't they changed with the new year? |
| 16:33.15 | Fubs | do anyone know why, despice my XFconfig-4 files says otherwise, X refuses to run in other resolutions than 640X580? |
| 16:33.35 | eeyore- | ok, who still writes checks with 2003 as the year? |
| 16:33.36 | Covener | fubs: is there a builtin modeline for that? is it 4:3 aspect? |
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| 16:33.52 | asg | eeyore-: nah, sent the mortgage off with a fresh 2004 ;) |
| 16:34.14 | Fubs | It's a normal monitor I'm trying to get it to run on if that's what you're asking |
| 16:34.24 | rsff | I was writing 2004 checks BEFORe 2003 was over... |
| 16:34.24 | Fubs | should be capable of 1024X768... |
| 16:34.41 | eeyore- | Fubs: vert/horz ranges |
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| 16:35.06 | rsff | Fubs: I think its CRTL+ALT+"+" to get it to switch resolutions... but I'm not sure. Somebody could please confirm. |
| 16:35.07 | Fubs | well, I used the dpkg-reconfigure tool and choose the below 14 inches |
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| 16:35.29 | Fubs | would that make a difference? |
| 16:35.29 | eeyore- | Fubs: doesn't matter, check them. bump them if necessary. |
| 16:35.38 | zinx | ctrl-alt-greyplus |
| 16:35.40 | netbrain | rsff: thats right |
| 16:35.48 | zinx | (i.e., the one on the keypad) |
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| 16:35.58 | netbrain | rsff: + and - in the end. |
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| 16:36.32 | Fubs | pressing ctrl+alt++ gives me an even lower res:) |
| 16:36.45 | xxenon | the fonts in Java applets (mozilla 1.5) are huge and unreadable. Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 16:36.53 | rsff | Fubs: go on cycling... |
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| 16:36.57 | frealek | I had cron msgs in my syslog I wanted to get rid of them so I added ",cron.none" to the -/var/log/syslog line in /etc/syslogd.conf, it worked, but I want to remove the dhclient msgs too, I added ",dhclient.none" to the line, but that just makes my syslog is not logging anything anymore... any clue ? |
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| 16:37.19 | Fubs | it cycles between my current and that really low one |
| 16:37.40 | eeyore- | Fubs: when are you going to increase your maximum vertical/horizontal frequency ranges? |
| 16:37.57 | rsff | Fubs: Try reconfiguring your X with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:38.58 | Fubs | ok, done, have to reboot |
| 16:39.08 | Fubs | see if the vert refresh rate thing worked |
| 16:39.18 | rsff | Fubs: that is actually a good question; did you set your monitor's configs to the right H and V frequencies? |
| 16:39.21 | rsff | err. |
| 16:39.22 | rsff | oops |
| 16:39.24 | rsff | :-) |
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| 16:41.19 | liquido | hi all |
| 16:41.56 | TBBle | I know this is a big ask, but would anyone know how to enable /dev/net/tun under kernel 2.6.0? |
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| 16:42.13 | oyoy | Hi, all! Anyone managed to install KDM3.1.4-1 (from unstable)? I've just geot "post-installation script returned error exit status 30" for some time now... |
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| 16:42.29 | LoRez | TBBle: try #linux |
| 16:42.31 | asg | oyoy: check the bts |
| 16:42.37 | TBBle | oyoy: I was getting that, purged and reinstalled and it worked OK. |
| 16:42.51 | oyoy | asg: What's bts? |
| 16:42.55 | asg | oyoy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:43.01 | nvz | oyoy: on about 3 machines |
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| 16:43.10 | TBBle | LoRez: Tried there... No response. #user-mode-linux is just me, and #kernel is dead. I'm trying to setup the user-mode-linux package... |
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| 16:43.16 | eeyore- | oyoy: dpkg --purge kdm; apt-get install kdm |
| 16:43.19 | liquido | my cpu is multiuser and I would like to be able to see logs of what some users have been doing during their session (for example which files have been played by mplayer, which files have been downloaded as well as deleted...) is this posible? |
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| 16:43.22 | machoney | I have problem with booting from scsi drive. I'm using lilo. If I want to boot I have to use floppy or cd with rescbf24 root=/dev/sdaX. Any solutions? |
| 16:43.24 | LoRez | TBBle: then try #kernelnewbies on oftc |
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| 16:43.54 | TBBle | LoRez: oftc? Another IRC network? |
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| 16:44.06 | xsdg | TBBle: irc.oftc.net |
| 16:44.18 | eeyore- | liquido: files downloaded / deleted = possibly, with kernel's "directory notification" |
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| 16:44.34 | TBBle | Sweet, thankyou. |
| 16:44.34 | eeyore- | liquido: what files have been played by mplayer = possibly, if you hacked your mplayer |
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| 16:44.57 | eeyore- | liquido: doing these two actions make you unpopular with your kids = definitely |
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| 16:45.06 | xsdg | eeyore-: 8) |
| 16:45.07 | eeyore- | liquido: watching them hack around your hack = priceless |
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| 16:45.28 | guido^pe | I'm currently upgrading from testing to unstable and I just noticed that the new bootmisc.sh won't clean /etc anymore. Is this done somewhere else now? |
| 16:45.37 | guido^pe | And if yes, where? |
| 16:45.49 | NigelS | can I specify a custom kernel in the currect woody install? |
| 16:45.49 | asg | guido^pe: clean /etc ? |
| 16:45.53 | liquido | eeyore-:well...actually I dont care...feel its kind of important since they really are kids and theres a lot of stuff out there I dont want them to see... |
| 16:46.10 | guido^pe | no, rubbish, not /etc, /tmp |
| 16:46.15 | oyoy | asg: Isn't BTS down still? |
| 16:46.20 | asg | oyoy: no |
| 16:46.31 | liquido | eeyore-: so...any concrete solutions...especially to the mplayer thing? |
| 16:46.38 | NigelS | current* |
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| 16:46.46 | frealek | liquido: if you want a quick&dirty check try their ~/.bash_history... but everyone has the right to delete his own :) |
| 16:46.59 | eeyore- | liquido: you *cannot* get 100% guaranteed working solution |
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| 16:47.09 | asg | guido^pe: grep -ilr '/tmp' /etc/init.d/ (check the resultant files to see) |
| 16:47.15 | eeyore- | liquido: even if you have custom mplayer binary, they can run their own version |
| 16:47.18 | abrotman | liquido: they could always compile thier own mplayer in thier home dir .. and get around your hack |
| 16:47.28 | eeyore- | liquido: what you're asking for is some sort of trusted binary execution |
| 16:47.35 | frealek | liquido: why wouldn't you rather use the permissions of the directory to restric access ? |
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| 16:48.10 | eeyore- | liquido: besides, according to what you're saying, they would have *already* seen whatever it was they were going to see |
| 16:48.30 | liquido | they are just kids...wouldnt know how to do it anyway..... |
| 16:48.32 | eeyore- | liquido: you're asking for a *log* of what they viewed. so, they already viewed it. what's the prevention there? |
| 16:48.33 | guido^pe | ah, right, there seems to be a new script called bootclea.sh now |
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| 16:48.52 | strider__ | hmm |
| 16:49.23 | liquido | eeyore-: yea...but at least we could sit down and talk about it : ) |
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| 16:49.46 | mitten | I am unable to get wget to work as needed ...I tried wget -nH -nd -r http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.4/2.4.1/sources/ and it downloads only index.html....what about those bz2. I want all bz2 if I can |
| 16:49.55 | red_one | so how do i observe apt 0.6 doing its funky signiature-verification stuff? |
| 16:49.57 | eeyore- | liquido: sure. in that case, an el-cheapo solution is to wrap mplayer around a bash script :-) #!/bin/bash<cr>/path/to/real/mplayer-bin $* |
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| 16:50.15 | sladegen | !hi |
| 16:50.16 | dpkg | hello, sladegen |
| 16:50.34 | libre | hmm. when mutt tries to save a mail to an nfs mount, it can't successfully lock the file. can I tell mutt to either not do locking, or use a flag in the NFS config to fix this? (insecure_locks does not work) |
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| 16:51.01 | frealek | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error // PAM-warn[4454]: function=[pam_sm_chauthtok] service=[passwd] terminal=[<unknown>] user=[root] ruser=[<unknown>] rhost=[<unknown>] // I tried to reinstall my libpam packages but that does not solve it... can someone give me a clue about what could I check ? |
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| 16:51.35 | asg | libre: using mbox? |
| 16:51.47 | libre | asg: using flat mbox files |
| 16:51.55 | liquido | eeyore-: ok...so you mean that that way it would be logged in bash_history??? |
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| 16:52.00 | libre | asg: I am familiar with some of the subtleties with NFS locking |
| 16:52.08 | asg | libre: anyway you could switch to maildir, it is much better over nfs |
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| 16:52.15 | greycat | s/ over nfs$// |
| 16:52.18 | eeyore- | liquido: no. put your log statements in there before passing it off to the real mplayer. |
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| 16:52.43 | liquido | I'll try it : ) |
| 16:52.49 | Matthew_I | sup |
| 16:52.51 | eeyore- | liquido: something like -> echo Using mplayer to watch $* > /tmp/mplayer.log <- before the mplayer-bin call |
| 16:52.52 | libre | asg: and usually 'insecure_locks' works with applications that need locks - not sure what's up with this |
| 16:52.57 | mitten | is there some default deny suffixes list like no bz2 and gz for wget? |
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| 16:53.15 | eeyore- | liquido: uh, >> /tmp/mplayer.log |
| 16:53.21 | libre | asg: I could - maybe I will. not feeling like switching years of mail over immediately though |
| 16:53.22 | asg | libre: mutt has a 'mutt_dotlock' binary with it but I've never used it. I'd check the manual in /usr/share/doc/mutt/* |
| 16:53.39 | abrotman | mitten: use garnome if you really want to compile it |
| 16:53.52 | liquido | eeyore-: I dont have that file.... |
| 16:53.55 | abrotman | or some other automated build script |
| 16:54.14 | mitten | abrotman: but garnome says its for testers....I thought I would go with some thing more stable.... |
| 16:54.15 | liquido | eeyore-: what does it look like? |
| 16:54.33 | eeyore- | liquido: it's the log file, so it looks like whatever you want it to look like |
| 16:54.42 | abrotman | mitten: then id look for a backport(or move to sarge/sid) |
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| 16:54.44 | sladegen | greycat | asg: how is maildir better? |
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| 16:55.15 | mitten | so just do apt-get upgrade gnome? |
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| 16:55.24 | liquido | ok....but is it enough to create it ?? nano -w /tmp/mplayer.log or does it contain anythoing? |
| 16:55.27 | asg | sladegen: /msg dpkg maildir |
| 16:55.37 | holy_cow | anyone here runnin linux on a mini-itx type system? |
| 16:55.42 | liquido | eeyore-: ok....but is it enough to create it ?? nano -w /tmp/mplayer.log or does it contain anythoing? |
| 16:55.51 | asg | sladegen: bah, scratch that. Wrong factoid |
| 16:56.02 | eeyore- | liquido: probably a good format is echo -n `date` ":" $USER ":" $* >> /tmp/mplayer.log |
| 16:56.08 | asg | sladegen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=greg%40wooledge.org&archive=no |
| 16:56.11 | abrotman | mitten: what are you running right now? |
| 16:56.22 | abrotman | sarge/woody/sid? |
| 16:56.26 | mitten | abrotman: am on debian....woody... |
| 16:56.39 | asg | sladegen: http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html <---- that one |
| 16:56.46 | abrotman | mitten: http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=gnome&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386 |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | mitten: there are a few sources for woody backports of gnome2.4 .. look towards the bottom |
| 16:57.05 | sladegen | asg: ha ha good thing i have lots of inodes ;?) |
| 16:57.10 | liquido | eeyore-: didnt follow you.....I crete the mplayer.log and put in your lines? |
| 16:57.27 | mitten | ok |
| 16:57.35 | sladegen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.59 | abrotman | mitten: if you really want to compile it .. try to find some build scripts to download and build for you |
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| 16:58.34 | mitten | abrotman: I want to do whole install myself since I also would like to do some development so I would need sources... |
| 16:58.53 | Covener | liquido: how is it you got to be administering a machine other people are using? |
| 16:58.54 | abrotman | mitten: you need headers .. not source usually |
| 16:58.56 | eeyore- | liquido: no, let's start from the beginning |
| 16:59.05 | eeyore- | liquido: you want a "custom" mplayer |
| 16:59.12 | eeyore- | liquido: you want to do this with least effort |
| 16:59.12 | greycat | ~info libgnome-dev sid |
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| 16:59.27 | liquido | Covener:cuz Im the father in the house : ) |
| 16:59.28 | eeyore- | liquido: so you replace "mplayer" with a shell script, renaming mplayer to "mplayer-bin" in the process |
| 16:59.34 | greycat | ~info libgnome2-dev sid |
| 16:59.38 | strider_ | i installed blackbox window manager, why wont GNOME let me choose it ? |
| 16:59.39 | eeyore- | liquido: with me so far? |
| 16:59.40 | Covener | liquido: ah okay |
| 16:59.45 | liquido | eeyore-: yep |
| 16:59.58 | eeyore- | liquido: ok, so this new shell script is called ... /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 17:00.00 | asg | strider_: /msg dpkg wm |
| 17:00.02 | greycat | that looks too small to be a gnome package |
| 17:00.07 | eeyore- | liquido: inside this this is a bunch of bash commands |
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| 17:00.13 | greycat | ~depends libgnome2-dev sid |
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| 17:00.33 | eeyore- | liquido: one of them will log the date/time, name of user, and the command parameters (hopefully include the filename) |
| 17:00.51 | eeyore- | liquido: the last line of this script will pass parameters off to the real mplayer (renamed mplayer-bin) |
| 17:00.59 | greycat | hmm, not libgtk2.0-dev? |
| 17:01.01 | greycat | interesting |
| 17:01.21 | abrotman | maybe glib depends on libgtk? |
| 17:01.30 | lunaq | eeyore-: What if the users discover it is a bash-script, and then uses the "real" mplayerL? |
| 17:01.33 | caphuso | abrotman: no |
| 17:01.34 | greycat | should be the other way 'round |
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| 17:01.48 | eeyore- | lunaq: he said he doesn't care about that since they're "just kids" anyway |
| 17:02.01 | lunaq | ok |
| 17:02.01 | liquido | the other users are gui-users |
| 17:02.06 | eeyore- | lunaq: actually it's a good way for the kids to become savvy and outsmart their old dad ;-) |
| 17:02.28 | abcnew | him how view .xml file on webbrowser |
| 17:02.36 | liquido | eeyore-: well I guess I wont be able to controll them too much time... |
| 17:02.39 | strider_ | asg: i removed kdm, yet it is available |
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| 17:02.44 | strider_ | asg: why is that |
| 17:02.52 | abrotman | its available? |
| 17:02.54 | liquido | eeyore-: so that was it...we are done? |
| 17:02.58 | asg | strider_: how did you remove it? |
| 17:03.00 | strider_ | asg: i mean shwn i do startx kdm runs |
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| 17:03.04 | strider_ | apt-get remove |
| 17:03.07 | eeyore- | liquido: yeah, it's a very low-budget wrapper :-) |
| 17:03.18 | asg | strider_: kdm or kwm? |
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| 17:03.33 | mitten | abrotman: why is wget not able to work ...I want to download all bz2 files from that url? |
| 17:03.36 | liquido | eeyore-: I'll try it out right now and I'll get back to you...thanks for the effort |
| 17:03.41 | strider_ | kdm |
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| 17:03.51 | abrotman | mitten: i still dont understand why you want to kill yourself compiling gnome2 |
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| 17:04.04 | asg | strider_: I thought you wanted to use blackbox? that's a window manager. kdm is a display manager |
| 17:04.23 | mitten | abrotman: I am just learning.....see what it is like... |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | mitten: if you want to do dev .. you dont need to compile gnome |
| 17:04.26 | abcnew | hi, how view .xml file on webbrowser? |
| 17:04.27 | strider_ | åi guess i have not sorted out those terms |
| 17:04.28 | johannes | hi, I know how to comile a kernel, and I have mde an 2.6.1-rc kernel with a romfs initrd. However, it tells me it can not find the block device for the root partition. Is that a known issue? |
| 17:04.33 | paulswm | strider_: you get your multiboot stuff all fixed OK? |
| 17:04.36 | asg | abcnew: file://path/to/file.xml |
| 17:04.50 | strider_ | paulswm: yes |
| 17:04.57 | strider_ | paulswm: other problems now :) |
| 17:04.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: with build scripts it's not too bad most of the time |
| 17:04.59 | mitten | from a host url dir if I want to download only bz2 files how do I ? |
| 17:05.02 | paulswm | strider_: good, I was wondering |
| 17:05.16 | strider_ | paulswm: im starting to doubt if i am cut out for this ;) |
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| 17:05.21 | paulswm | strider_: hey, but at least you're confused on a different level :) |
| 17:05.23 | mitten | I mean using wget how do I |
| 17:05.25 | kmg | howto findout from bash script what linux distro the system is running on ? |
| 17:05.26 | abcnew | asg: |
| 17:05.26 | abcnew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.32 | strider_ | i cant even de-install kdm |
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| 17:05.50 | abcnew | asg: output on webbrowser |
| 17:05.52 | paulswm | strider_: when you're running a Unix, you are a system administrator, and there's quite a lot to learn |
| 17:06.00 | virus | Hi, what's the prefered APT proxy/cache to be used on a router/gateway/proxy machine? |
| 17:06.03 | strider_ | is this how mow linux life is gonna be, hanging in this channel clueless bastard |
| 17:06.10 | abrotman | mitten: man wget .. it should be in there |
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| 17:06.30 | abrotman | strider_: dpkg -l | grep kdm |
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| 17:06.38 | mitten | I am unable to get wget to work as needed ...I tried wget -nH -nd -r http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.4/2.4.1/sources/ and it downloads only index.html....what about those bz2. I want all bz2 if I can |
| 17:06.42 | strider_ | what i lack is a proper overview, i cant get answers because i font even know how to ask the proper question |
| 17:06.43 | paulswm | strider_: within a year, you'll be giving the advice. Trust me, stick with it, have faith that it will make more and more sense |
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| 17:06.56 | eeyore- | strider_: different people have different focus ... yours may be on something besides linux/unix/sysadmin |
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| 17:07.10 | mitten | abrotman: I tried with -A bz2, html |
| 17:07.10 | Steven_ | is there a reason why apache-ssl wouldn't load my vhosts ? |
| 17:07.21 | KarlosII | anyone here install debian on a proliant 5000 server? |
| 17:07.23 | tarzeau | Steven_: i'd use stunnel for ssl |
| 17:07.24 | eeyore- | strider_: i get owned in ut2k3, doesn't prevent me from enjoying it most times |
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| 17:07.42 | Covener | Steven_: apache -S might be a nice debug cmd |
| 17:07.44 | tarzeau | Steven_: www.linuks.mine.nu/stunnel/ |
| 17:07.47 | Steven_ | tarzeau : thx |
| 17:07.47 | silas- | eeyore-: counter strike for me. I suck. |
| 17:07.51 | strider_ | my main goal is having a stable simple system, that is why i got in to this |
| 17:07.54 | eeyore- | cept when i play against those insta-gib/super-accurate/trigger-happy whores |
| 17:08.20 | strider_ | abrotman: kdm is there |
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| 17:08.27 | paulswm | strider_: as more and more falls into place, it will all make more sense |
| 17:08.36 | strider_ | abrotman: what do i have to do to remove it ? |
| 17:08.41 | abrotman | strider_: if its there ... `apt-get --purge remove kdm` |
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| 17:08.57 | eeyore- | strider_: well, sure. you start off with a good base then you just had to add one more thing in there |
| 17:08.58 | abcnew | ? |
| 17:09.03 | strider_ | i need to familiarize myself with apt-get more |
| 17:09.04 | Steven_ | can apache-ssl still do none ssl vhosts ??? |
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| 17:09.17 | LoRez | Steven_ yes |
| 17:09.27 | strider_ | abrotman: Package kdm is not installed, so not removed |
| 17:09.29 | strider_ | :) |
| 17:09.38 | abcnew | asg, ? |
| 17:09.41 | sladegen | strider_: you said "simple"? then perheps better go with slackware ;-P |
| 17:09.42 | eeyore- | Steven_: think about it |
| 17:10.02 | eeyore- | Steven_: you want named-based virtual hosting with SSL? |
| 17:10.10 | asg | abcnew: then you need to use a stylesheet to translate it to HTML or some other format |
| 17:10.16 | abrotman | mitten: wget -c -r ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | mitten: works for me |
| 17:10.46 | strider_ | for instance, i am having troubles removing KDM, |
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| 17:10.56 | paulswm | strider_: if you want simple, stick with XP. If you want free + support + neat stuff + running your own PC, then climb the learning curve :) |
| 17:11.00 | eeyore- | strider_: maybe kdm is not installed (or has already been removed) |
| 17:11.01 | strider_ | i have no idea why and probably do any of you ppl |
| 17:11.15 | strider_ | it is not removed, because i can run it :) |
| 17:11.16 | eeyore- | strider_: dpkg -l kdm |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | strider_: are you sure its kdm and not xdm or gdm? |
| 17:11.43 | strider_ | abrotman: yes |
| 17:11.47 | psycose | the /etc/modules.conf files for linux kernel 2.6 is still the same ? or it's something in /etc/modutils/... ? |
| 17:11.47 | strider_ | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 17:11.50 | eeyore- | strider_: dpkg -l kdm |
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| 17:12.06 | liquido | eeyore-: damn it man...dont get it : ) ...so I did nano -w /usr/bin/mplayer....inside I put: #!/bin/bash |
| 17:12.09 | Steven_ | eeyore- : I know ... |
| 17:12.11 | liquido | /path/to/real/mplayer-bin $* |
| 17:12.12 | mitten | abrotman: nope...can get only html file |
| 17:12.18 | eeyore- | liquido: no no no :) |
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| 17:12.23 | abrotman | mitten: it just worked for me |
| 17:12.25 | Steven_ | eeyore- : the question is not: is this sane ? the question is : why does it no longer work ? |
| 17:12.25 | liquido | eeyore-: ayyy |
| 17:12.31 | eeyore- | liquido: first, reinstall mplayer. you probably screwed it up already |
| 17:12.38 | abrotman | did you do exactly what i did? .. im using ftp:// .. nto http:// |
| 17:12.42 | frealek | well, [desperate] anybody here ever had the "Authentication tokens manipulation error" error ? I don't find anything even with tracing the execution |
| 17:12.48 | liquido | no problem with mplayer heer |
| 17:12.53 | eeyore- | Steven_: name-based virtual hosting with SSL never worked |
| 17:12.59 | eeyore- | Steven_: it *can't* work |
| 17:13.05 | Steven_ | eeyore- : heh |
| 17:13.13 | Steven_ | eeyore- : it did work, since it ran here |
| 17:13.22 | eeyore- | Steven_: the SSL handshake had to already happen AT initial connect |
| 17:13.24 | abrotman | strider_: if you /etc/init.d/kdm restart ... what happens? |
| 17:13.33 | Steven_ | eeyore- : I know all the theory |
| 17:13.36 | eeyore- | Steven_: and THEN the request is transferred |
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| 17:13.39 | RobotBebop | hey |
| 17:13.40 | liquido | eeyore-: cmon man...step by step...just like with babies |
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| 17:13.47 | Steven_ | eeyore- : if you use 1 certificate for all sites, then it works |
| 17:13.48 | eeyore- | Steven_: which means by then the SSL credentials have already been exchanged |
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| 17:13.51 | stevek | Is there some way to search repositories to find a package which provides a particular file (i.e. I don't know the package name, but I know that the package should provide a file called /foo/bar). |
| 17:13.57 | strider_ | abrotman: nothing |
| 17:13.58 | eeyore- | Steven_: well that's a very clumsy hack |
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| 17:14.14 | sladegen | stevek: apt-file |
| 17:14.14 | liquido | eeyore-: nano -w /usr/bin/mplayer followed by? |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | stevek: /msg dpkg find file distro |
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| 17:14.24 | Steven_ | eeyore- : like I said, it doesn't matter how ugly it is, the questio is: why doesn't it wok anymore ? |
| 17:14.25 | abrotman | strider_: it should restart kdm |
| 17:14.28 | eeyore- | liquido: no. do what i say, please. first, reinstall mplayer package |
| 17:14.30 | strider_ | hold on |
| 17:14.37 | Covener | Steven_: what happens? |
| 17:14.41 | liquido | eeyore-: ok |
| 17:14.43 | Steven_ | my entire webserver is fubared somehow |
| 17:14.43 | stevek | thanks (looking at those two things :) ). ! |
| 17:15.04 | Steven_ | Covener : I upgraded with apt-get, and php4-mysql got upgraded |
| 17:15.05 | strider_ | abrotman: well i am in kdm now and nothing happens |
| 17:15.12 | liquido | eeyore-: ok done.... |
| 17:15.13 | kalelme | hello to all |
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| 17:15.20 | Covener | Steven_: what symptoms/errors do you see? |
| 17:15.23 | Steven_ | Covener : then, all requests for php pages, made the server segfault |
| 17:15.30 | abrotman | strider_: you're in kdm or kde? |
| 17:15.41 | Steven_ | Covener : so, I checked the bugs.debian.org site, and found no match |
| 17:15.43 | djw | how do I make java plugins work |
| 17:15.47 | abrotman | strider_: i use gdm .. when i restart .. i can visibly see gdm restart |
| 17:15.49 | Covener | Steven_: so how did we get to ssl and vhosts? |
| 17:15.51 | sladegen | strider_: you still didnt say what dpkg -l kdm says.... |
| 17:16.05 | Steven_ | Covener : since noone here seemed to be interested in my problem, I tried removing apache and all it's related stuff, and reinstalling |
| 17:16.16 | eeyore- | liquido: next, rename mplayer binary, like this: mv /usr/bin/mplayer /usr/bin/mplayer-bin |
| 17:16.24 | strider_ | sladegen: too much to post in here, check flood |
| 17:16.24 | djw | I've copied the plugin file into the mozilla plugin directory but mozilla and galeon don't pick up the plugin |
| 17:16.29 | kalelme | any people know some about mugen for linux?? |
| 17:16.36 | Steven_ | Covener : we got to ssl and vhosts because I got apache working again, but only for 1 site, and no vhosts (no ssl either) |
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| 17:16.53 | Covener | Steven_: can you put your httpd.conf up somewhere? |
| 17:16.59 | Steven_ | Covener : apache-ssl -S reported that there were no vhosts for port 80, but tons of vhosts for ssl. that's why I wondered abnout ssl |
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| 17:17.06 | liquido | eeyore-: done |
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| 17:17.10 | Steven_ | Covener : you mean on a website ? ;) |
| 17:17.10 | Rza`` | got a question |
| 17:17.15 | djw | Steven_: getting vhosts and ssl working in apache isn't easy or obivous |
| 17:17.18 | Rza`` | just formated system |
| 17:17.21 | eeyore- | liquido: next, put the three lines i pasted to you into /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 17:17.22 | Rza`` | installed it the same wya i did |
| 17:17.22 | Rza`` | now when i'm in x |
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| 17:17.27 | Rza`` | my default font is fucked |
| 17:17.35 | Steven_ | djw : apache was working, with ssl and with vhosts |
| 17:17.36 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
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| 17:17.41 | Steven_ | djw : for 2 or 3 years now |
| 17:17.43 | psycose | the /etc/modules.conf files for linux kernel 2.6 is still the same ? or it's something in /etc/modutils/... ? |
| 17:17.50 | strider_ | i realise i am mixing kde and kdm freely |
| 17:17.50 | Rza`` | check out toolbar - that font is replacing helva* |
| 17:17.54 | djw | Steven_: oh has it stopped working now? |
| 17:17.55 | strider_ | very sloppy |
| 17:17.58 | abrotman | strider_: dpkg -P kdm ... no more kdm |
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| 17:18.05 | liquido | eeyore-: and those lines were? |
| 17:18.14 | eeyore- | liquido: look in your /msg window somewhere |
| 17:18.17 | Matthew_I | would an external number keypad work with linux? |
| 17:18.21 | claviola | hi folks. like most people, I am subscribed to one of those dynamic dns services, and have 'ez-ipupdate' installed to automatically update my dynamic IP on boot. quesrion is, do you know of a way to keep /etc/hosts updated as well? |
| 17:18.24 | abrotman | strider_: however .. kde will still be there |
| 17:18.36 | eeyore- | liquido: i /msg them to you just now |
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| 17:18.51 | strider_ | abrotman: is kde window manager, and kdm display manager ? |
| 17:19.18 | liquido | eeyore-: #!/bin/bash<cr>/path/to/real/mplayer-bin $* |
| 17:19.31 | abrotman | strider_: kde is akin to windows .. where kdm is like the login prompt on NT/2k/XPPro |
| 17:19.34 | amphi | strider_: kde is a 'desktop environment', and kdm is a display manager |
| 17:19.35 | liquido | eeyore-: ?? |
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| 17:19.40 | sladegen | strider_: no kde is desktop manager... its more than just window manager it has its own wm and dm... etc |
| 17:19.40 | eeyore- | liquido: no, don't you have a private message window somewhere? what client is this? |
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| 17:19.50 | eeyore- | liquido: nevermind. let's do it by hand. it's not difficult |
| 17:19.53 | strider_ | i see |
| 17:20.00 | abrotman | strider_: that isn't really a good comparison . but i think you get the point |
| 17:20.05 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:20.20 | strider_ | and what does kdm do exactly |
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| 17:20.38 | mitten | abrotman: I see files will different versions ...not just 2.4.1.....I see now why you suggest to get garnome |
| 17:20.39 | Matthew_I | I see a usb keypad here that also has a usb hub in it, would this work with linux? http://store.yahoo.com/akidacomputer/medmobminkey.html |
| 17:20.44 | sladegen | kde display manager |
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| 17:21.03 | initech | strider_: it's a x display manager, like xdm or gdm |
| 17:21.13 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:21.15 | abrotman | strider_: kdm is a display manager .. you can use it to enter kde,gnome,blackbox etc |
| 17:21.15 | LoRez | claviola: don't put the transient ip address in /etc/hosts. just use 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:21.23 | abrotman | mitten: see .. i told you :) |
| 17:21.33 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:22.01 | strider_ | is there some "friendly" tool to set which DISPLAY manager to use |
| 17:22.02 | initech | strider_: most people just use it as a graphical replacement for a console login, that's all, but display managers handle remote x servers as well |
| 17:22.24 | claviola | LoRez: I already have an entry like "127.0.0.1 arizona carlos.hn.org", which lists all aliases for this machine. I suppose it was already correct then. |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | strider_: normally when you install more than one .. it asks which you would like to use |
| 17:22.39 | sussudio | ~tell badtz about away |
| 17:22.42 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.59 | jetscreamer | strider_, did you fix your box? |
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| 17:23.06 | strider_ | jetscreamer: yes |
| 17:23.11 | paulswm | strider, for an overview: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-HOWTO/index.html and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO/index.html |
| 17:23.11 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 17:23.18 | typo | how do I upgrade all my X packages to experimental versions? |
| 17:23.27 | strider_ | jetscreamer: fdisk /mbr and GRUB install to the MBR |
| 17:23.27 | strider_ | :) |
| 17:23.36 | jetscreamer | don't, but msg dpkg experimental |
| 17:23.40 | jetscreamer | coo |
| 17:23.40 | strider_ | fucking asshole windows box is slave now |
| 17:23.49 | strider_ | excuse my french |
| 17:23.53 | typo | jetscreamer: was that for me? |
| 17:23.55 | strider_ | i get easily upset |
| 17:24.04 | paulswm | strider_: heh, funny |
| 17:24.05 | abrotman | those directions for experimental dont work so well imo |
| 17:24.08 | abcnew | asg: ths |
| 17:24.12 | jetscreamer | typo yes |
| 17:24.13 | asg | abcnew: you're welcome |
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| 17:24.25 | strider_ | well |
| 17:24.28 | paulswm | jetscreamer: first thing I asked strider_ when I came on, too :) |
| 17:24.29 | strider_ | i have blackbox |
| 17:24.32 | typo | jetscreamer: I'm already using the packages, I just want to upgrade |
| 17:24.33 | strider_ | when i do startx |
| 17:24.37 | strider_ | i get into this KDE |
| 17:24.53 | abrotman | strider_: do you get blackbox or kde? |
| 17:24.57 | strider_ | kde |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | do you want blackbox? |
| 17:25.06 | jetscreamer | strider, controlled by update-alternatives |
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| 17:25.11 | strider_ | i wanna be able to choose! |
| 17:25.20 | abrotman | wow .. such demands! |
| 17:25.32 | strider_ | well |
| 17:25.37 | strider_ | i wanan be able to switch |
| 17:25.40 | jetscreamer | strider, apt-get install kdm or gdm so you can choose at logon |
| 17:25.40 | strider_ | at least |
| 17:25.42 | abrotman | i was kidding :) |
| 17:25.47 | strider_ | oh |
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| 17:25.59 | strider_ | well |
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| 17:26.39 | strider_ | so XDM is the default DISPLAY manager ? |
| 17:26.51 | jetscreamer | when that's all that is installed |
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| 17:26.57 | strider_ | and TWM is that ugly default window manager |
| 17:27.00 | jetscreamer | or as a stock install |
| 17:27.02 | abrotman | strider_: the default is what you make it .. kdm,xdm, or gdm |
| 17:27.05 | paulswm | strider_: yes but you can change that by installing gdm for instance |
| 17:27.27 | strider_ | weird thing |
| 17:27.33 | strider_ | i installed gdm |
| 17:27.44 | strider_ | it doesnt proivide the choice to enter blackbox |
| 17:27.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 17:27.48 | strider_ | why is that |
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| 17:28.03 | abrotman | gdm gives you the option for Debian |
| 17:28.08 | jetscreamer | gdm you have to hit the session menu |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | you can set that yourself |
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| 17:28.19 | abrotman | or you can add your own option for gdm |
| 17:28.31 | strider_ | what about XDM, doe sit allow me to choose window manager ? |
| 17:28.38 | jetscreamer | the debian option == "use update-alternatives default" |
| 17:28.43 | jetscreamer | xdm no |
| 17:28.55 | abrotman | xdm is pretty bare |
| 17:28.56 | jetscreamer | xdm just uses default of update-alternatives |
| 17:28.58 | strider_ | paulswm: yeah, thanx :) |
| 17:29.07 | strider_ | ok |
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| 17:29.17 | abrotman | strider_: probably go with gdm or kdm |
| 17:29.32 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:29.36 | paulswm | strider_: don't sweat it, I was using Unix for 20+ years when I first set up X, took me days to figure it out |
| 17:29.43 | asg | paulswm: g'day |
| 17:29.44 | ffh | I've got unstable and experimental deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, but "apt-get install xterm" grabs 4.2.1-15 (from unstable), not 4.3.0 (from experimental). Do I need to tell apt somehow to use experimental instead of unstble? |
| 17:29.55 | strider_ | i will be back |
| 17:29.59 | paulswm | asg: g'day, see ya later |
| 17:30.04 | sladegen | ffh: man apt-get |
| 17:30.07 | typo | ffh: apt-get install -t experimental |
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| 17:30.26 | asg | paulswm: heh, I thought you were leaving :) |
| 17:30.45 | paulswm | asg: yes, ok, i'm gone :) |
| 17:30.52 | RobotBebop | is there a way to tell what distro of Debian you're up to date with ? |
| 17:30.56 | grew | arghh, this stupid sis board sucks, it wont let me run the onboard agp vid card and a pci vid card |
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| 17:31.01 | ffh | typo, sladegen: that's what I don't understand -- why does it choose unstable if it's unspecified? experimental has more recent versions of packages. I know about -t, but thanks for confirming :) |
| 17:31.02 | grew | no dual monitors for me D: |
| 17:31.08 | jetscreamer | ffh pinning in /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 17:31.17 | RobotBebop | grew: your video card doesn't have more than one output ? |
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| 17:31.22 | grew | RobotBebop: no |
| 17:31.35 | RobotBebop | grew: too bad. |
| 17:31.45 | ffh | jetscreamer: I don't have a preferences file. Do I have to explicitly pin to experimental? |
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| 17:31.55 | Rza`` | anyone have a chance to consider my problem |
| 17:32.03 | Rza`` | reinstalled linux and now my default fonts are off |
| 17:32.08 | Steven_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.11 | jetscreamer | afaik yes, works for me is what i do know |
| 17:32.13 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 17:32.20 | beta3 | asg: 2.5 centimeters is one inch right? |
| 17:32.22 | Rza`` | check out my toolbar - that's the font that's coming up |
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| 17:32.33 | asg | beta3: iirc (units would know) |
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| 17:32.49 | beta3 | asg: units never works |
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| 17:32.53 | sladegen | beta3: yes 2.54 i think |
| 17:32.58 | beta3 | asg: you should use units and try converting F to C |
| 17:33.02 | jetscreamer | defome-reconfigure |
| 17:33.07 | asg | beta3: it requires an odd syntax |
| 17:33.10 | jetscreamer | defoma-reconfigure |
| 17:33.10 | beta3 | asg: it will give you a wrong answer guaranteed |
| 17:33.10 | LoRez | beta3: units works fine. |
| 17:33.29 | Steven_ | the error is on bugs.debian.org, so it makes me feel ok :) someone else is experiencing it as well |
| 17:34.01 | initech | Rza``: i had a similar problem with kde, i had to remove the font |
| 17:34.31 | Shay | someone got sensors working on 2.6.1-rc1? |
| 17:34.39 | beta3 | asg: almost finished writing my units replacement |
| 17:34.49 | asg | beta3: heh |
| 17:34.56 | Rza`` | Shay, u talking about gdesklets? |
| 17:34.56 | beta3 | asg: which gets rid of that crappy syntax |
| 17:35.04 | asg | :) |
| 17:35.09 | CAiRO | how can i change the rate that my mouse scroll wheel works with? i'd like to have it scroll 5 lines instead of 1 |
| 17:35.13 | initech | beta3: yes units has awful syntax :-) |
| 17:35.15 | beta3 | asg: you just have to choose from a long list of options to convert |
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| 17:35.15 | Shay | Rza``, I'm talking about sensors/sensors-detect |
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| 17:35.18 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:35.24 | strider_ | better |
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| 17:35.33 | strider_ | i entered black thru KDM |
| 17:35.34 | beta3 | asg: they can do it with gcc, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:35.37 | strider_ | black box |
| 17:35.38 | eeyore- | oh why oh why does apache package want to mess with my config files?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 17:35.39 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 17:35.45 | strider_ | :) |
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| 17:35.56 | grew | CAiRO: youd prolly have to do that at the application level |
| 17:35.57 | asg | ~comfort eeyore- |
| 17:36.01 | | There, there, eeyore-. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:36.20 | Shay | ~blowjob |
| 17:36.22 | | Sure... Just... *enf* lemme get on my knees.. and... BITE YOUR DICK OFF! |
| 17:36.25 | strider_ | hmm |
| 17:36.26 | eeyore- | asg: now there's a conf.d/mod-ssl* files, and this screws me up. why do they bother with this default file and the snakeoil shit? |
| 17:36.29 | Shay | hm |
| 17:36.30 | bda | o_O |
| 17:36.31 | eeyore- | asg: it does NOT make sense |
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| 17:36.38 | strider_ | ok good |
| 17:36.39 | asg | eeyore-: dunno |
| 17:36.58 | eeyore- | asg: if it's a toy box, sure, go for it. but this is a production box, don't fucking give me this snakeoil default config, please |
| 17:37.04 | CAiRO | grew: hmm, that's bad, why can't i do that for the whole desktop? i mean i can set the double click speed or the mouse sensitivity for the whole desktop, too |
| 17:37.33 | eeyore- | there ought to be /etc/apache/do-not-touch-my-config-file-you-package-maintainer |
| 17:37.33 | strider_ | so many other things to resolve, dont know where to start hehe |
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| 17:37.48 | asg | eeyore-: yeah, that really should go in the doc/examples |
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| 17:38.06 | ftmiranda | howdy! |
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| 17:38.41 | ftmiranda | I kinda need some help with samba on a samba PDC |
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| 17:39.19 | ftmiranda | Im trying to use this http://xrl.us/rge http://tldp.org/ |
| 17:39.19 | ftmiranda | <ftmiranda> pessoal alguem ja fez o add user script = useradd -g domainmac -c "Domain Machine" -s /bin/false -d /dev/null %u |
| 17:39.28 | ftmiranda | sorry |
| 17:39.39 | Rza`` | hm |
| 17:39.47 | Rza`` | icewm --verbose reports missing lucida font |
| 17:39.53 | Rza`` | is that not included w/ x |
| 17:39.54 | liquido | eeyore-: Thanks man for all your help...works like a charm...... |
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| 17:40.01 | amphi | ftmiranda: FWIW, you can d/l 'Using Samba' from oreilly.com |
| 17:40.07 | Rza`` | and i certainly have all x86free font packages |
| 17:40.08 | ftmiranda | Im trying to use the add user script = useradd -g domainmac -c "Domain machine " -s /bin/false -d /dev/null %u |
| 17:40.08 | ftmiranda | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.36 | strider_ | i need to upgrade kernel, what might be a suitable version ? |
| 17:40.40 | ftmiranda | amphi, I know how to do it by hand, but I would like to use the add user script to facilitate the job |
| 17:40.42 | strider_ | i am running 2.2.20 |
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| 17:41.00 | caphuso | ftmiranda: are you sure that the %u there is correct? |
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| 17:41.15 | abrotman | strider_: apt-cache pkgnames | grep kernel-image |
| 17:41.19 | beta3 | asg: C 's syntax is so nice |
| 17:41.28 | strider_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.32 | caphuso | abrotman: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:41.33 | strider_ | oops |
| 17:41.34 | strider_ | wrong window |
| 17:41.35 | strider_ | :) |
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| 17:41.44 | ftmiranda | caphuso, almost 100%, why? |
| 17:42.03 | caphuso | ftmiranda: what is this "%u" there? what does it do? |
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| 17:42.24 | abrotman | caphuso: mine works too :) |
| 17:42.39 | xxenon | I use mozilla 1.5 and java 1.4.2 (sun), but I get horrible (huge and unreadable) fonts on applets. Any clue ? |
| 17:42.39 | ftmiranda | caphuso, well its the user name |
| 17:42.44 | strider_ | what does the suffix 386 imply ? |
| 17:42.48 | LraiseR | I have compiled & installed a kernel, but can't access /dev/psaux... and I can't understand why (yes, I have enabled PS/2 mouse support :) ) Could anyone help, pretty please? :) |
| 17:43.01 | caphuso | abrotman: just a lot slower |
| 17:43.06 | abrotman | strider_: for a 386 .. x86 |
| 17:43.10 | caphuso | ftmiranda: the username is "%u"? |
| 17:43.18 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:43.26 | abrotman | caphuso: but yours gives all the wlan and pcmcia stuff |
| 17:43.26 | ftmiranda | caphuso, yes |
| 17:43.27 | liquido | signing out..once again....thanks to eeyore-: for helping me keeping a watching eye on my brats |
| 17:43.46 | strider_ | abrotman: i am using amd xp 2100+, is kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 17:43.46 | strider_ | suitable ? |
| 17:43.55 | caphuso | abrotman: add a --names-only |
| 17:43.56 | RobotBebop | how do you tell where packages install their files? |
| 17:44.03 | caphuso | RobotBebop: dpkg -L packagename |
| 17:44.09 | ffh | RobotBebop: dpkg --listfiles packagename |
| 17:44.12 | RobotBebop | caphusa: thanks |
| 17:44.16 | caphuso | ftmiranda: wow, that's one weird username... |
| 17:44.16 | RobotBebop | :) |
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| 17:44.31 | abrotman | strider_: i think you want a k7 version of 2.4.18 |
| 17:44.59 | strider_ | abrotman: how do i know if my current kernel is k7 or not |
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| 17:45.27 | Matthew_I | what kind of usb hubs work with linux? |
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| 17:45.35 | abrotman | strider_: your current one is probably 386 . thats the LCD for x86(athlon,Pentium) |
| 17:45.39 | LoRez | Matthew_I: I would imagine any kind do. |
| 17:45.41 | zinx | Matt: all of them, one would hope |
| 17:45.55 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 17:46.09 | strider_ | abrotman: well, cant i download kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 17:46.09 | strider_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.10 | LraiseR | I have compiled & installed a kernel, but can't access /dev/psaux... and I can't understand why (yes, I have enabled PS/2 mouse support :) ) Could anyone help, or send me to an appropriate channel, please? |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | strider_: yes .. you can |
| 17:46.25 | Matthew_I | LoRez: zinx: even one's built in to external usb number keypads? |
| 17:46.31 | strider_ | y |
| 17:46.34 | strider_ | ok |
| 17:46.46 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: modprobe psmouse, check permissions |
| 17:46.48 | metalifloyd | I have a 5 button mouse with wheel and I would like the two side buttons to perform back and forward functions in the major browsers. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 17:46.52 | LoRez | Matthew_I: they should all enumerate as hubs which should have a fairly standard way of acting, so yes. |
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| 17:47.21 | Matthew_I | LoRez: ya think the keypad would work? Im guessing it would behave as a keyboard |
| 17:47.28 | ulitz | is it possible to remove a package and get a lower version? |
| 17:47.41 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: "modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse" (I compiled it as builtin, not a module) |
| 17:47.43 | LoRez | Matthew_I: it should enumerate as a HID, which is also a fairly standard interface |
| 17:48.07 | Matthew_I | LoRez: ok thanks |
| 17:48.12 | strider_ | abrotman: i am installing kernel now, may i post something to you in #flood |
| 17:48.25 | abrotman | sure |
| 17:48.26 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: hmm... interesting |
| 17:48.31 | strider_ | last time i messed up bigtime doing this |
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| 17:49.06 | chriscrick | I installed a driver from ATI for my Radeon 9600 Pro, and had to uninstall libmesagl (using --force) to do it -- it conflicts. Now apt-get complains every time I try to use it and insists on reinstalling libmesa. Is there any way to convince the package management system not to do this? |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | strider_: go ahead |
| 17:49.12 | zophyx | bloot snoot pooty poot |
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| 17:49.31 | abrotman | say yes |
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| 17:51.24 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: any idea on what can I try? Other than give up using the mouse, of course ^_^ |
| 17:51.46 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: is your X config correct? |
| 17:51.55 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: what kernel are you using? |
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| 17:52.11 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: I guess it is -- brefore installing the new kernel it worked. 2.4.22-mosix2 |
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| 17:52.46 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: hmmm... must be something with the new kernel then, check the config |
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| 17:53.30 | z|bandito | hi |
| 17:53.44 | z|bandito | is enabling nfs a security risk if you only allow acces on ports 80 and 22? |
| 17:53.46 | z|bandito | what port does nfs run off? |
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| 17:54.14 | js__ | what is the regex for any number of spaces ending with the | character? |
| 17:54.26 | karsten | js__: *| |
| 17:54.41 | karsten | js__: " *|" |
| 17:54.41 | karsten | js__: ...zero or more spaces. |
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| 17:54.48 | js__ | ohhh yeah, thanks :) |
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| 17:55.05 | fatal__ | js__: replace * with + if you want "1 or more.." |
| 17:55.16 | roonz | I did an upgrade and now my apache refuses to start it says apache: bad group name www-data, what can I do to fix this? |
| 17:55.20 | js__ | thanks |
| 17:55.58 | fatal__ | roonz: add the group www-data ... it's gid 33 on my installations... I guess you want to use that gid too... |
| 17:55.59 | RobotBebop | mm this plastik theme is much nicer than Keramik |
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| 17:56.39 | ToreSB | I LOVE MY SID CHIP |
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| 17:56.50 | roonz | thanks |
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| 17:57.15 | RelDrgn | roonz: or edit your configuration and change the group it runs as to something else. make sure the www-data user is in the www-data group while you're at it ;) |
| 17:57.31 | eeyore- | ToreSB: does it still work? |
| 17:57.38 | Miki0 | i tried running a few ircds..and i got the point where i could only run 4, when i tried running the 5th one it said 'cannot run ircd, pid already in use'..is ircd is configured to its own and separate directory |
| 17:57.39 | ricII | how would I transparantly configure 2 extra nic's so both host would use the crosskable to comunicate with each other? |
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| 17:57.42 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: I can't see anyting unusual in there... (big Q is what should I see). Now trying a clean compilation... |
| 17:57.45 | ToreSB | eeyore-: Of course they do. |
| 17:57.47 | roonz | that was just so annoying, thanks again hehe |
| 17:57.55 | roonz | argh is debian going to hell or something :( |
| 17:58.06 | ToreSB | eeyore-: All...one....two...three of them - the third is in a C-128 but oh well |
| 17:58.16 | RelDrgn | roonz: (ie, check your /etc/passwd and see what uid and gid the www-data user is, and make the www-data group that gid, whether its 33 or not. |
| 17:58.17 | eeyore- | hmm, gigabyte ga-7dpxdw-p dual amd motherboard. yumm. |
| 17:58.19 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: make sure of course psmouse is in there, and all the input mods you had from the last kernel |
| 17:58.30 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: also check for errors on boot |
| 17:58.32 | chriscrick | How can I get dpkg and apt permanently to forget about satisfying a particular dependency? |
| 17:58.41 | fatal__ | ricII: enable forwarding (and possibly proxy_arp if you use ip:s in the same range) in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/... |
| 17:58.51 | RelDrgn | chriscrick: what do you mean? |
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| 17:59.30 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: how do I know the input mods I had on the last kernel? (which was the default installation). And I see no errors on bootstrap |
| 17:59.47 | RelDrgn | chriscrick: if you have something you've installed by hand, you can throw together a simple control file and use the "equivs" package/tool to create a dummy package for it |
| 17:59.50 | chriscrick | RelDrgn: I installed a commercial video driver that provides openGL and conflicts with libmesa, but every time I try to run apt-get the system insists on trying to install libmesa. |
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| 18:00.02 | machoney | I have problem with booting from scsi drive. I'm using lilo. If I want to boot I have to use floppy or cd with rescbf24 root=/dev/sdaX. Any solutions? |
| 18:00.08 | Matthew_I | I don't use 2.4 any more (havent for a few months) but there should be a /boot/config-<kern ver> file |
| 18:00.36 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: look at that file and mabe even use that as your .config for the new kernel and build from that |
| 18:00.46 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: are you using make-kpkg? |
| 18:00.53 | LraiseR | Matthew_I: yes, I am |
| 18:01.40 | myro433 | How can I stop dhcp3-server writing so much garbage in /var/log/syslog? (I just set the facility to local7 and routed the messages then with syslog to /var/log/dhcpd.log, but the messages in syslog still appear) |
| 18:01.46 | Matthew_I | LraiseR: good, but check out that old /boot/config-* file |
| 18:01.53 | LraiseR | I will |
| 18:02.26 | RelDrgn | myro433: make sure you syslog is set to filter out local7, especially if its got something like *.info or whatnot |
| 18:03.06 | chriscrick | RelDrgn: I'll check out equivs. Thanks. |
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| 18:03.11 | myro433 | I've the line: local7.* /var/log/dhcpd |
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| 18:05.47 | mofino | Simple question: If I nuke the auth line in /etc/pam.d/sudo for sudo, will that get rid of the user passwd prompting? |
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| 18:06.11 | delire | anyone else here experience netselect-apt reporting that the fastest server (of say 280 addresses) is 'none'? |
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| 18:07.18 | Mave | mofino: you're clueless read "NOPASSWD and PASSWD" section of sudoers man page |
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| 18:07.38 | RelDrgn | myro433: yeah, that works fine for getting the stuff into /var/log/dhcpd, but if /var/log/syslog also collects local7.*, or *.info, or other things like that, then it winds up in there too |
| 18:08.19 | myro433 | •RelDrgn• There is something like *.info, but only to /var/log/messages |
| 18:08.24 | mofino | heh mave, that's a pretty ignorant statement. |
| 18:09.01 | RelDrgn | myro433: wow. i suggest you turn off that nick completion decoration, its pretty ugly and screws with my terminal |
| 18:09.09 | Mave | mofino: sorry for making the assumption that you need help |
| 18:09.25 | mofino | mave, your assumption was I was clueless. |
| 18:09.33 | mofino | That I was clueless, even |
| 18:09.39 | myro433 | sorry, but I don't like it too, but I don't know how |
| 18:09.50 | myro433 | just use this prog since 5 Minutes |
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| 18:09.55 | petemc | myro433: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 18:10.16 | myro433 | I am on windows and I use a modified mirc version |
| 18:10.43 | Mave | mofino: ok so you're not cluless. ok now ? |
| 18:11.00 | slidesinger | And now a question sure to either spark a debate or provide a definitive answer. Which is the anti-spam utility of choice? |
| 18:11.16 | mofino | Mave, haha. Why are you being such a prick? |
| 18:11.20 | petemc | mofino: to be fair, making assumptions like "if i delete this..." is fairly clueless |
| 18:11.35 | mofino | petemc, no it's a simple question. |
| 18:11.42 | petemc | mofino: no, its daft |
| 18:11.49 | mofino | PAM handles sudo's authentication. |
| 18:11.51 | azreal | mofino: this is a great place to assert ones prickness |
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| 18:12.20 | azreal | mofino: no one can kick your ass or anything, its great |
| 18:12.24 | mofino | Why I asked if I could simple delete the auth lines from the sudo pam config OR if I should do something else. |
| 18:12.27 | nvz | well I have to wire up some stuff in the attic, I will be back after I determin which circut its on.. cant risk filesystem corruption just because my father didnt label this fuse box when he was down here putting it in |
| 18:12.30 | mofino | azreal, indeed. |
| 18:12.51 | mofino | I can't find anything in the sudo man page or the sudoers man page. |
| 18:13.02 | slidesinger | It appears we've already begun the great debate: just how does one define daft. |
| 18:13.10 | azreal | mofino: /usr/share/doc/sudo ? |
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| 18:13.16 | asg | slidesinger: `dict daft` |
| 18:13.31 | farmboy | apt gender |
| 18:13.33 | | I'm female |
| 18:13.43 | mofino | azreal, agreed. I'll check it out. |
| 18:13.46 | petemc | mofino: you are clueless, its in the sudoers manpage |
| 18:13.52 | farmboy | apt |
| 18:14.06 | ulitz | is there any package for glib that is available through apt-get? |
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| 18:14.09 | mofino | petemc, haha mmkay. I can't see it so I must be clueless eh? |
| 18:14.12 | asg | farmboy: /msg apt <factoid> (and knock yourself out) |
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| 18:14.19 | azreal | mofino: alot of times, its best to start in the doc dir, before reading the man page. |
| 18:14.19 | petemc | mofino: starting to look that way :) |
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| 18:14.31 | Mave | no he's cluless because removing that line would make sudo useless |
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| 18:16.03 | mofino | Well I can't find it. |
| 18:16.17 | myro433 | RelDrgn How can I filter these things, 'cause I read the manpages and this is only about how I can store something anywhere, but not how to filter this. |
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| 18:16.25 | machoney | I need to boot from small IDE drive only to make start my SCSI drives (I have hole system on SCSI drives installed). Any solutions |
| 18:16.26 | ricII | fatal__, how would that work? |
| 18:16.35 | knt | hi all, how can i enlarge the biggest file size in system? |
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| 18:16.45 | zinx | heh? |
| 18:16.46 | zinx | erh, huh? |
| 18:16.47 | knt | i cannot process files bigger than 2 gb |
| 18:16.56 | zinx | upgrade your kernel, maybe |
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| 18:17.05 | zinx | or utilities.. debian's utils should all support it though |
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| 18:17.35 | ljlane | machoney, can't boot from SCSI? |
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| 18:17.43 | machoney | yes |
| 18:17.55 | machoney | I can't change this in BIOS |
| 18:18.05 | myro433 | RelDrgn : OOOps I just found the right paragraph thx |
| 18:18.28 | ljlane | machoney, tried leaving out the IDE in the bios? |
| 18:18.59 | machoney | what do you mean leaving out? Disable? |
| 18:19.42 | ljlane | machoney, don't disable the controllers, just leave the drive defintion blank |
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| 18:20.14 | mofino | eh |
| 18:20.17 | Mave | mofino: take your word bacj now you prick :P |
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| 18:20.24 | mofino | Nah |
| 18:20.27 | mofino | You're still a prick. |
| 18:20.36 | mofino | I misread what petemc said. |
| 18:20.47 | ljlane | machoney, but if you must boot from the IDE, either LILO or grub handles it easily. Just set root for the scsi drive. |
| 18:20.49 | machoney | OK but my system still can't boot from SCSI. I have to use CD or floppy. Thing is that maybe small IDE drive with lilo is good solution |
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| 18:21.08 | azreal | machoney: boot with lilo, and set lilo to map the drives to boot from first scsi disk |
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| 18:21.40 | azreal | machoney: yo do not need to do that |
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| 18:21.56 | lobotomo | quick question: best gnome or gtk burning gui? |
| 18:22.04 | machoney | OK how can do this. I mean what I need to copy to IDE drive |
| 18:22.05 | farmboy | How can I find the apt-get command to install the Apache Web Server? |
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| 18:22.17 | XBGuest3042219 | I need some help please |
| 18:22.19 | ljlane | farmboy, apt-get install apache |
| 18:22.21 | eventide | lobotomo: I like gtoaster |
| 18:22.24 | ElfStone | how do i install XFREE86-Devl |
| 18:22.26 | asg | farmboy: apt-cache search apache (find the package and apt-get install it) |
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| 18:22.37 | ljlane | dpkg tell XBGuest3042219 about ask |
| 18:22.46 | ElfStone | lol |
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| 18:22.51 | azreal | machoney: read this doc: "MultiOS-HOWTO.gz" |
| 18:22.52 | lobotomo | eventide, thanks |
| 18:22.53 | ElfStone | how do i install XFREE86-Devl? |
| 18:22.58 | joseph | what is the package that provides the lpr from cups? |
| 18:23.01 | strider_ | i upgraded kernel and now x wont work anymore |
| 18:23.05 | Mp3RiPpEr | Im trying to get WINE installed but it keeps telling me I need to install Xlib/Xfree86 Devel |
| 18:23.07 | asg | joseph: cupsys-bsd or cupsys-client |
| 18:23.07 | machoney | OK i will thy |
| 18:23.11 | Mp3RiPpEr | how do I do that? |
| 18:23.13 | De_Mon | Mp3RiPpEr http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:23.19 | machoney | OK i will try. Thx again |
| 18:23.20 | ljlane | ElfStone, apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 18:23.26 | ElfStone | k thanlks |
| 18:23.28 | strider_ | do i have to run modconf ? |
| 18:23.32 | ElfStone | Mp3RiPpEr: theres you answer |
| 18:23.34 | strider_ | just because i upgraded kernel |
| 18:23.34 | ljlane | Mp3RiPpEr: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 18:23.34 | strider_ | ? |
| 18:23.37 | can | Hi all, Im running out of my HDD space and wish to use a second HDD. Im confused that if I mount the hdb as /home then what about my hda /home? Can I just mv my existing /home over to hdb? |
| 18:23.45 | Mp3RiPpEr | ljlane |
| 18:23.48 | asg | can: yes |
| 18:23.50 | Mp3RiPpEr | wine is not on that page |
| 18:23.51 | jeanmi | I can not find the fetchmail doc how to have the fetched email delivered to a user different than the current user (the user starting fetchmail). |
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| 18:23.58 | ElfStone | Mp3RiPpEr: your a ass LOL |
| 18:24.04 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol I kow why now :P |
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| 18:24.11 | can | asg: short and sweet. Thanks. |
| 18:24.16 | ElfStone | Mp3RiPpEr: she answered you |
| 18:24.20 | De_Mon | Mp3RiPpEr that was in response to your FIRST question |
| 18:24.23 | asg | can: np |
| 18:24.35 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol I know |
| 18:24.39 | joseph | asg: Thanks! |
| 18:24.46 | asg | joseph: you're welcome |
| 18:24.49 | eventide | using gnome (2.2), suddenly all keyboard input was ignored (including caps and num locks). I can log out with the mouse and gdm then works with the kbd. Using fluxbox instead of gnome works with the kbd. This only affects one user. I have no idea what could cause this? |
| 18:24.59 | strider_ | asg how do i search for the wherabous of the nvdriver kernel module ? |
| 18:25.08 | asg | strider_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:25.17 | Mp3RiPpEr | De_Mon Xlibs-dev: depends: xlibs (= 4.1.0-16woddy1) but 4.2.0-0pre1v3 is to be instlaled .... Sorry broken pakages |
| 18:25.24 | Mp3RiPpEr | now what? |
| 18:25.35 | azreal | machoney: pay special attention to the lilo.conf section, where it explains "disk = /dev/sda" and "bios = 0x80" and "map-drive = 0x80" etc. |
| 18:25.42 | strider_ | asg done |
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| 18:26.08 | LraiseR | strider_: which version did you install, and what exactly is the problem? |
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| 18:26.37 | strider_ | LraiseR i installed 4.2.18-1-386 |
| 18:26.47 | strider_ | LraiseR and now i cant run X |
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| 18:27.14 | strider_ | LraiseR failed to initialize the nvdriver kernel module |
| 18:27.26 | Mp3RiPpEr | when i try to install xlibs-dev I get this Xlibs-dev: depends: xlibs (= 4.1.0-16woddy1) but 4.2.0-0pre1v3 is to be instlaled .... Sorry broken pakages what do I do about that? |
| 18:27.34 | strider_ | LraiseR sounds like i have to do something in modconf? |
| 18:28.06 | asg | strider_: modprobe NVdriver (iirc) |
| 18:28.06 | azreal | why is it that a large number of people would rather just give up, than read a fucking doc? |
| 18:28.06 | LraiseR | strider_: sorry, can't help you there :( |
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| 18:28.06 | abrotman | strider_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:28.08 | xim__ | How do I go about adding items to start at boottime and preferably to selected terminals? (if possible) |
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| 18:28.24 | strider_ | abrotman i already have those drivers |
| 18:28.25 | asg | xim__: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:28.25 | eventide | jeanmi: man fetchmail, search for "Miscellaneous Run Control Options" |
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| 18:28.39 | xim__ | OK that is somehwere to start thanks |
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| 18:29.18 | strider_ | abrotman i installed those debs 2 days ago |
| 18:29.30 | strider_ | abrotman everything worked fine until i upgraded kernel |
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| 18:30.17 | mitten | I got new mouse for laptop. It has wheel. My mouse protocol option in XF86Config is set to PS/2. What to do to support wheel. I tired Auto and mouse stopped working. |
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| 18:30.35 | asg | mitten: try ImPS/2 as the protocol |
| 18:30.44 | vanguard | Greetings ! |
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| 18:31.52 | vanguard | Today I have a special problem, may one can help ? Did anyone succed in installing Unreal Tournament on Debian ? |
| 18:32.11 | thebug | vanguard: original or 2K3 |
| 18:32.13 | Zap-W | ifconfig eth0 : |
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| 18:32.18 | Crikey | hmm |
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| 18:32.21 | strider_ | asg it is a stuoid question why a kernel update caused this ? |
| 18:32.21 | vanguard | original. |
| 18:32.26 | strider_ | asg it is a stupid question why a kernel update caused this ? |
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| 18:32.28 | Zap-W | errors:21 dropped:1 overruns:20 frame: |
| 18:32.29 | thebug | vanguard: no problems then |
| 18:32.38 | vanguard | All installers crash, as they cannot mount the cdrom-. |
| 18:32.45 | asg | strider_: because the kernel module you compiled only worked with the old kernel. You need to compile a new one for your new fresh kernel |
| 18:33.05 | thebug | have you tried mounting it before running the installer |
| 18:33.10 | Mp3RiPpEr | QUestion how do I run or extract a .deb file? |
| 18:33.14 | vanguard | thebug: This happens with Unreal, Serious Sam and others. |
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| 18:33.29 | vanguard | thebug: Yes, I did. |
| 18:33.46 | thebug | vanguard: do you have something like supermount patched into the kernel, that might do something funny like that |
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| 18:33.56 | strider_ | asg by kurnel module u mean those nvidia debs ? |
| 18:34.02 | vanguard | thebug: It alwasys says: In mtab it is already mounted. |
| 18:34.05 | eventide | Mp3RiPpEr: dpkg --extract, see the manpage |
| 18:34.27 | De_Mon | xim__ use the skeleton file and update-rc for that |
| 18:34.31 | vanguard | thebug: Hmm, that might be. How can I rid of that ? |
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| 18:34.33 | pneuma | if after building a kernel i later go back and select a module and then re-run make modules will it make them all again or just the new one? |
| 18:34.42 | thebug | vanguard: edit mtab? |
| 18:34.55 | vanguard | thebug: Didn t help ! |
| 18:34.55 | eventide | Mp3RiPpEr: do you want to extract it or do you want to install it? |
| 18:34.59 | De_Mon | pneuma it makes the ones that arnt already made |
| 18:35.05 | Crikey | hmm |
| 18:35.08 | thebug | did you unmount, edit mtab, then try mounting again |
| 18:35.13 | vanguard | thebug: Didn t help ! |
| 18:35.20 | asg | strider_: I'm not familiar with Justin_'s debs but expect that you still need to compile a kernel mod specifically for your kernel (I don't think the NVdriver module is kernel-version agnostic) |
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| 18:35.30 | mitten | asg: IMPS/2 works just like PS/2 ...no mouse wheel...so it means OS does not support mouse initializatino |
| 18:35.34 | De_Mon | pneuma if a 'make clean' was done at some point it would have to make them all |
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| 18:35.41 | vanguard | thebug: I already tried all combinations. |
| 18:35.42 | asg | mitten: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" <---- add that to the mouse section |
| 18:35.43 | RobotBebop | is there a way to set the icon grid size on KDE ? |
| 18:35.44 | strider_ | asg ok |
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| 18:35.54 | pneuma | De_Mon: thanks. that's what i thought (and was hoping) |
| 18:36.06 | vanguard | Mouznting before, afterwards, editing mtab. Nothing helps. |
| 18:36.26 | LraiseR | arghhh how can I clean the kernel compilation directory? it keeps telling me it can't stat a load of .o files |
| 18:36.27 | vanguard | Setting environment, changing mountpoint. |
| 18:36.33 | asg | LraiseR: make clean |
| 18:36.38 | thebug | vanguard: I have no clue then...I had no problems running the GOTY installer |
| 18:36.44 | LraiseR | asg: it's about the 10th time I do that, with no effect |
| 18:36.57 | asg | LraiseR: are you in the kernel src directory when you do it? |
| 18:36.58 | vanRijn | how can I download a previous version of a package? |
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| 18:37.05 | LraiseR | asg I am |
| 18:37.06 | asg | vanRijn: snapshot.debian.org |
| 18:37.06 | vanRijn | isn't there an archive.debian.org or something? |
| 18:37.15 | eventide | vanguard: if you use supermount, and wish to disable it, first unmount, then edit /etc/fstab (not mtab) |
| 18:37.15 | Zap-W | what's the name of the console font with portuguese characters |
| 18:37.22 | vanguard | thebug: That is strange. Allinstallers do have this behaviour. |
| 18:37.41 | asg | LraiseR: hmmm, I don't know. Perhaps #kernelnewbies on oftc.net |
| 18:37.49 | thebug | vanguard: then it's probably something with your kernel, like supermount or something...I'd go with what eventide suggested |
| 18:37.58 | vanguard | eventide: How do I have to ? Delete the line ? |
| 18:37.59 | asg | vanRijn: sorry, that's snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:38.14 | strider_ | asg apt cant find those packages |
| 18:38.22 | strider_ | do i need to add a special source ? |
| 18:38.30 | eventide | vanguard: well, maybe comment it out so you can change it back, then add a non-supermount line for the cdrom |
| 18:38.49 | vanguard | vanRijn: Chack with apt-cache search kernel-mage-x.x.x.x |
| 18:39.10 | LraiseR | asg: Connection to irc://oftc.net/ (irc://oftc.net/) closed with status 2152398868. :((( |
| 18:39.10 | asg | strider_: which packages? nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src? |
| 18:39.14 | strider_ | asg yes |
| 18:39.22 | vanRijn | asg: yes, I got that. |
| 18:39.24 | vanguard | eventide: A non-supermoun-line ? How lokks this like ? |
| 18:39.26 | asg | LraiseR: hmmm, try irc.oftc.net |
| 18:39.26 | vanRijn | crap |
| 18:39.41 | De_Mon | nvidia has a pretty nice installer for those of you who arnt good at building debs |
| 18:39.49 | vanRijn | testing updated cvs to 1.12 and I need to get 1.11. packages.debian.org is down still. any ideas on how to find an older deb? |
| 18:39.50 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 18:40.00 | eventide | vanguard: man fstab |
| 18:40.03 | Mp3RiPpEr | Im having problems installing Wine any suggestions? |
| 18:40.05 | asg | !+find nvidia-kernel-src woody |
| 18:40.06 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-src: (NVIDIA binary kernel module), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.2880-1 (woody), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:40.17 | vanguard | eventide: Yes ! (sry) |
| 18:40.18 | Mp3RiPpEr | its telling me this one error when its installed cause Ive tryd to install it |
| 18:40.44 | asg | strider_: which debian? |
| 18:40.49 | eventide | vanguard: something like: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 18:41.04 | strider_ | asg 3.0 r2 |
| 18:41.29 | strider_ | kernel 4.2.18-1-386 |
| 18:41.54 | DelEat_ | strider_: wow... you're out early 4.2 kernel? |
| 18:42.03 | vanguard | eventide: Thats in fact that , what is now in my fstab. |
| 18:42.20 | strider_ | DelEat_ well my sound card wouldnt work with 4.2.20 |
| 18:42.23 | strider_ | oops |
| 18:42.24 | asg | strider_: you mean 2.4.18. Anyway, what does 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src nvidia-glx-src' say? |
| 18:42.27 | strider_ | i mean |
| 18:42.29 | eventide | vanguard: hm... then you're not using supermount |
| 18:42.30 | vanguard | eventide: But what is a no-supermaount-line ? |
| 18:42.32 | strider_ | 2.2.20 |
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| 18:42.48 | DelEat_ | strider_: :) |
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| 18:43.02 | DelEat_ | strider_: uname -r |
| 18:43.05 | DelEat_ | strider_: :) |
| 18:43.39 | Mp3RiPpEr | I think wines gonna work this time I didnt get a error now im really confused lol |
| 18:43.47 | eventide | vanguard: your current line does not use supermount, so ignore everything I said above :-) |
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| 18:44.08 | mitten | asg: good it worked... I have questions though...I thought we could make it work as wheel is middle mouse button...is it button 2? also on some m/cs I have seen that we could click wheel and then just scroll down/up by dragging...its not working here... |
| 18:44.12 | vanguard | strider_: The nvidia-installer crashed at me. I use the Debian-packages. They work fine !! |
| 18:44.18 | strider_ | asg : couldnt find package .... |
| 18:44.21 | asg | strider_: better yet (for my own edification), cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:44.45 | vanguard | eventide: This solves not my problem. |
| 18:44.47 | strider_ | asg 3.0 |
| 18:44.49 | asg | mitten: hmmm, dunno. Make sure you don't have emulate 3 button mouse set in the conf |
| 18:44.56 | vanguard | eventide: Any other clues ? |
| 18:44.59 | mitten | asg: nope |
| 18:45.29 | eventide | vanguard: sorry... maybe the installer expects the mount point to be '/cdrom' rather than '/mnt/cdrom' ? |
| 18:45.30 | asg | strider_: well, you must be typing something wrong or you have some really screwed up sources |
| 18:45.37 | nvz | mitten: whats the problem? mouse type? device? protocol? |
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| 18:46.03 | strider_ | asg i typed apt-get install nvidia-glx-src |
| 18:46.13 | strider_ | asg i typed apt-get install nvidia-kernel-src |
| 18:46.16 | vanguard | eventide: I already guesed that, so I changed the mountpoint: Same as before. |
| 18:46.27 | Segers_J | mitten: middle button should be button 3, and click middle & move mouse I've only seen in M$ software. have you seen it elsewhere? |
| 18:46.48 | DelEat_ | anybody know how to grab a .gif from an attachment in slrn? |
| 18:46.59 | nvz | Segers_J: middle button is button 2 when present |
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| 18:47.03 | mitten | Segers_j: I have seen only in M$.... |
| 18:47.09 | vanguard | eventide: I looked in internet, but I found no help. Only people with the same problems. :))) |
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| 18:47.31 | mitten | well I guess I will leave mouse setting for good for now...its working good... |
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| 18:47.59 | vanguard | I trie #gametome. |
| 18:48.01 | mitten | well I tried installing garnome...for 2.4...its broke....it was unable to download some file from garnome site.... |
| 18:48.05 | eventide | vanguard: so you mount the cdrom, run the installer program from the cdrom, then it complains that the cdrom is already mounted? |
| 18:48.20 | vanguard | eventide: Yes ! |
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| 18:48.52 | vanguard | eventide: And a window offers me , to try again. |
| 18:49.01 | eventide | vanguard: what if you copy the installer to disk, then umount, then run the installer? |
| 18:49.05 | asg | strider_: I don't have a clue. It works perfectly fine on my woody and sid boxes |
| 18:49.18 | mitten | Serje_j, arg: how do I know my mouse button assignments? |
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| 18:49.27 | strider_ | asg : well can u tell me a source , where these files are ? |
| 18:49.29 | Segers_J | nvz: uhh... one of us is confused, or we're not talking about the same level of abstraction. |
| 18:49.49 | vanguard | eventide: I tried this. It is mounting, then starting, and then crashes. |
| 18:49.50 | nvz | Segers_J: perhaps.. in sawfish my middle button is Button-2 |
| 18:49.51 | azreal | wtf? i removed ide-scsi from my kernel, but my cdrom is still showing up on the scsi bus |
| 18:49.57 | asg | strider_: does 'apt-cache search nvidia' list any packages |
| 18:50.08 | eventide | vanguard: well, then I don't know, sorry |
| 18:50.09 | vanguard | eventide: The reason is the not mounted cdrom . |
| 18:50.24 | azreal | cdrecord -scanbus still shows it at 2,0,0, is that supposed to happen? |
| 18:50.29 | vanguard | eventide: no problem, its not so important. |
| 18:50.37 | mitten | I did xmodmap -pp and it shows but I was wondering what button is what....I have two buttons and wheel physically.... |
| 18:50.52 | strider_ | asg: yes.. |
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| 18:51.02 | arydon | azreal: Maybe you need to take out append="hdc=ide-scsi" from lilo.conf? |
| 18:51.02 | strider_ | asg nvidia-kernel -xxxxxx |
| 18:51.20 | asg | strider_: kernel-source? or kernel-src? |
| 18:51.33 | nvz | mitten: use xev |
| 18:51.37 | strider_ | asg no |
| 18:52.07 | nvz | mitten: click them inside the window, it will output the button numbers and such information to stdout |
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| 18:52.21 | nvz | mitten: i.e. run 'xev' in a terminal |
| 18:52.31 | strider_ | asg perhaps if i added a debian source where these packages reside ? |
| 18:52.46 | strider_ | asg i only have swedish debian mirrors |
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| 18:53.10 | pneuma | another question today: i have an xset command that i want to run when x starts. i put it in ~/.xsession but it does not get run. |
| 18:53.31 | Segers_J | nvz: ok, I am the one who was confused, thanks. :) |
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| 18:53.39 | nvz | strider_: is it trying to tell you the nvidia debs are broken? |
| 18:53.49 | Steven_ | omg |
| 18:53.52 | Steven_ | my eyes ! |
| 18:53.53 | mitten | nvz: got it...its left=1, wheel=2, right=3, wheelup=4 and wheeldown=5 |
| 18:53.56 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 18:53.58 | strider_ | nvz : u mean when i attempt to startx ? |
| 18:54.21 | nvz | strider_: no I mean when you attempt to apt-get them does it say that certain deps are not fetchable? |
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| 18:54.28 | Zenox | anyone knows where to find the modified debian boot floppies with the pppoe client included? (black's is down) |
| 18:54.40 | strider_ | nvz no |
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| 18:54.58 | strider_ | nvz if i apt-cache search for them i get no hits |
| 18:54.59 | nvz | strider_: oh.. I havent had much luck apt-getting those |
| 18:54.59 | mitten | so any used garnome to install 2.4? it was broke for me...and point where it broke it could not download a file from site |
| 18:55.16 | pneuma | Zenox: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html might reference it |
| 18:55.36 | nvz | strider_: thats why my cousin still is using his non-accellerated, cause I cant seem to get them do install |
| 18:55.47 | strider_ | nvz i see |
| 18:55.53 | Zenox | pneuma: thanks, looking around there now |
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| 18:56.23 | strider_ | well what do i have to do, re-install the nvidia debs that i previously downloaded ? |
| 18:56.31 | nvz | strider_: one of these days I might successfully get them working and be able to help others.. heh, just thought maybe between the two of us we might have been on to something |
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| 18:57.09 | strider_ | nvz i wish, i am not on to much right now :) |
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| 18:57.29 | torqd2 | howdy all... my mozill upgrade to 1.5-3_i386 in testing won't run. dies on execution. anyone have a clue? |
| 18:57.50 | nvz | strider_: yeah me either.. the whole concept is foreign to me.. I've never setup any accellerated video devices |
| 18:57.58 | Segers_J | strider_: there is an #nvidia channel |
| 18:58.06 | De_Mon | how does linux know partitions werent mounted before last shutdown? |
| 18:58.08 | strider_ | ok |
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| 18:58.12 | strider_ | well actually |
| 18:58.15 | De_Mon | unmounted |
| 18:58.21 | vanguard | torqd2: Could it be, taht there is a lock-file ? |
| 18:58.23 | strider_ | i got it working now |
| 18:58.23 | nvz | I was hoping to d/l the packages and read some docs, but never got that far as of yet |
| 18:58.34 | vanguard | Check this. |
| 18:58.58 | strider_ | by using apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`_* nvidia-glx |
| 18:58.59 | torqd2 | vanguard: no lock file in .mozilla or .netscape dir's |
| 18:59.28 | strider_ | asg what does that line do ? and why did it do the trick |
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| 19:00.26 | nvz | De_Mon: well because the filesystem is all garbled up I would assume |
| 19:00.38 | nvz | De_Mon: it of course know that because fsck runs on boot |
| 19:00.41 | vanguard | torqd2: Just in /tmp or look under /var/run/ |
| 19:01.24 | nvz | De_Mon: on a normal boot you would see root fs mounted clean, but if its not clean, fsck corrects it |
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| 19:02.19 | torqd2 | vanguard: nothing in either; this is a laptop, and it's been rebooted since upgrading and starting to see problems. |
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| 19:03.16 | torqd2 | vanguard: if I run "bash -x /usr/bin/mozilla" I get the expected output per the script, until the end where I see "+ exec esddsp /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin" and I get my prompt back |
| 19:03.34 | torqd2 | and if i run that last command in a shell, the shell goes away. |
| 19:03.47 | Justin_ | torqd2: dont use exec |
| 19:03.57 | vanguard | torqd2: What do you see, if you start a shell (xterm) , and in the hell you type mozilla ? |
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| 19:04.35 | De_Mon | nvz i *think* the answer i was looking for was 'fsck -As' |
| 19:04.56 | torqd2 | vanguard: normally I just run "mozilla" but that doesn't do anything after the upgrade last night. |
| 19:04.59 | vanguard | torqd2: I do this, to find out |
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| 19:05.17 | vanguard | torqd2: Nothing ??? |
| 19:05.18 | torqd2 | justin: normally wouldn't use exec, correct. |
| 19:05.20 | nvz | De_Mon: I dont know.. perhaps you were thinking of a different question than the one you asked |
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| 19:05.22 | vanguard | No messages ??? |
| 19:05.32 | torqd2 | vanguard: none whatsoever. |
| 19:05.32 | strider_ | ok finally i could loud sound driver |
| 19:05.38 | strider_ | how do i enable sound ? |
| 19:06.00 | Justin_ | !tell strider_ about audio |
| 19:06.05 | vanguard | torqd2: Did you really upgrade ? Might be, mozill awasa deletetd. |
| 19:06.18 | nvz | De_Mon: do this 'grep fsck /etc/init.d/*' see if that helps any |
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| 19:06.32 | Coke | strider_: what do you mean enable? |
| 19:06.33 | vanguard | torqd2: Do apt-get --reinstall install mozilla |
| 19:06.49 | nvz | De_Mon: should show you the relevant parts of two files that control that stuff on boot |
| 19:06.53 | torqd2 | vanguard: I can use dpkg to see that the dummy packages are installed, and all the sym-links work out to real files / binaries. |
| 19:06.56 | jetscreamer | maybe that's the "mozilla links were not updated from 1.4 to 1.5" error |
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| 19:07.25 | slashdot | is it recomendable to run baseconfig trough chroot? I can't realy shut down, and want to install a working debian system, before rebooting... I have installed the base system. |
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| 19:08.02 | strider_ | i still get error device /dev/dsp cant be opened(permission denied) |
| 19:08.28 | Justin_ | strider_: actually do what dpkg told you to do |
| 19:08.36 | strider_ | Justin_: i did |
| 19:08.37 | vanguard | torqd2: This often helps: apt-get --purge remove mozilla , then, apt-get install mozilla |
| 19:08.43 | strider_ | added user to audi group |
| 19:08.50 | chris|laptop | If you followed the directions then you would have working sound |
| 19:08.52 | Justin_ | strider_: no, you didn't. don't fucking lie to me |
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| 19:09.14 | vanguard | strider_: check the permission. You must be in the group audio, |
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| 19:09.28 | jetscreamer | that's audio, not audi. audi is a car |
| 19:09.34 | strider_ | i did "adduser strider audio" |
| 19:09.34 | wazer | lol |
| 19:09.40 | Justin_ | strider_: actually do what dpkg told you to do |
| 19:09.46 | vanguard | strider_: And, the /dev/dsp must be readable for the group audio. |
| 19:10.03 | torqd2 | jetscream: all looks normal, and since I can follow the script as it runs, up until the exec that i posted earlier... |
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| 19:10.11 | vanguard | isn t it useradd ???? |
| 19:10.12 | RobotBebop | hey |
| 19:10.23 | RobotBebop | where does Debian install KDE ? |
| 19:10.31 | jetscreamer | adduser is correct |
| 19:10.43 | jetscreamer | maybe useradd works i dunno |
| 19:10.55 | Ryuujin | RobotBebop: uhm.. locate kde |
| 19:10.58 | liquide | can anyone help me to setup my soundblaster audigy 2 card on my debian system? |
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| 19:11.17 | torqd2 | vanguard: even with the purge / install, same symptoms: no gui starts |
| 19:11.18 | jetscreamer | liquide, it's probably emu10k1 driver |
| 19:11.26 | jetscreamer | my sblive 5.1 is |
| 19:11.34 | Ryuujin | modprobe emu10k1 |
| 19:11.35 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 19:11.36 | Ryuujin | that's all |
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| 19:11.41 | strider_ | ok |
| 19:11.43 | Ryuujin | jetscreamer: it's the same sound emulation |
| 19:11.45 | liquide | i know it is that driver, but... it fucks up on my comp |
| 19:11.59 | liquide | i have installed it, but it won't modprobe -a |
| 19:12.02 | strider_ | si i have to manually set dsp to readable for the group audio with chmod ? |
| 19:12.12 | Ryuujin | liquide: uhm.. check dmesg |
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| 19:12.24 | liquide | Ryuujin: check what? |
| 19:12.27 | vanguard | torqd2: Doers it start as root ? |
| 19:12.51 | RobotBebop | gah |
| 19:12.52 | torqd2 | vanguard: no. |
| 19:12.54 | jetscreamer | mine is crw-rw--- |
| 19:12.54 | liquide | Ryuujin: wanna know what it said? |
| 19:12.56 | RobotBebop | it's installed it in all kinds of places |
| 19:12.57 | Ryuujin | liquide: type use your favorite reader to read /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:13.08 | jetscreamer | my dev/dsp is crw-rw--- |
| 19:13.09 | Ryuujin | liquide: ehrm.. no? |
| 19:13.13 | liquide | hehe |
| 19:13.15 | RobotBebop | how am i supposed to set KDEDIR appropriately now ? |
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| 19:13.18 | strider_ | jetscreamer: how do i make dsp readable to group audio ? |
| 19:13.24 | Ryuujin | i know what mine says.. that's enough for me.. |
| 19:13.24 | strider_ | jetscreamer: sorry |
| 19:13.28 | strider_ | didnt see that |
| 19:13.29 | Ryuujin | got two eth connections :p |
| 19:13.35 | vanguard | torqd2: Thats strange. I think, there is something missing. |
| 19:13.37 | arturaz_ | how i can mirror whole apt site? |
| 19:13.40 | jetscreamer | chmod 774 or 2 or 0 |
| 19:13.50 | jetscreamer | 77 something |
| 19:13.53 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 19:13.55 | jetscreamer | 66 |
| 19:13.57 | jetscreamer | not 77 |
| 19:13.59 | Ryuujin | arturaz_: ehrm? how? |
| 19:14.14 | arturaz_ | Like this: deb http://oberlin.cems.umn.edu/kdecvs/debian ./ . Just wget it ? |
| 19:14.16 | jetscreamer | 664 will give you anybody read |
| 19:14.17 | Ryuujin | s/what/how/; |
| 19:14.20 | liquide | Ryuujin: am i supposed to look for something special? |
| 19:14.26 | RobotBebop | hrmph. |
| 19:14.34 | Ryuujin | liquide: something like emu10k1 ? |
| 19:14.38 | Toastafari | arturaz_, I think apt-move mirror might do it |
| 19:14.40 | Ryuujin | which would be logic |
| 19:14.41 | skfarek | vegan:~# apt-get install j2sdk1.4 |
| 19:14.41 | skfarek | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:14.41 | skfarek | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:14.41 | skfarek | Package j2sdk1.4 has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 19:14.41 | skfarek | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
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| 19:14.52 | Ryuujin | *sigh* |
| 19:14.59 | torqd2 | vanguard: I'm inclined to agree with you, but if the old .deb's worked fine, I'm having a time tracing down what is now broken. |
| 19:15.00 | RobotBebop | i'm going to assume there's a way to tell apt-get to install a package to a specific directory that i didn't know about when i was installing KDE |
| 19:15.03 | Toastafari | arturaz_, but don't quote me on that, I'm not sure |
| 19:15.07 | Ryuujin | skfarek: use #flood !!!! |
| 19:15.11 | arturaz_ | what about debmirror? |
| 19:15.12 | skfarek | what it means? |
| 19:15.13 | jetscreamer | hey skfarek guess what: timed 4 lines = boot |
| 19:15.24 | RobotBebop | actually, i didn't even install KDE individually, it was part of the dist-upgrade id id |
| 19:15.33 | skfarek | sorry |
| 19:15.51 | liquide | Ryuujin: found nothing |
| 19:16.09 | skfarek | could you help me? |
| 19:16.09 | skfarek | i don't understand that error |
| 19:16.12 | RobotBebop | hm |
| 19:16.20 | Ryuujin | liquide: too bad. |
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| 19:16.37 | vanguard | torqd2: Maybe some library is missing. |
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| 19:17.36 | Toastafari | arturaz_, maybe, but there doesn't seem to be much documentation for it |
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| 19:18.18 | strider_ | jetscreamer: is this ok? crwxrwxr-- 1 root audio 14, 3 Mar 14 2002 /dev/dsp |
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| 19:18.24 | wazer | skfarek: you will have to go to apt-get.org and do a search for mirrors with 1.4 |
| 19:18.33 | greycat | strider_: you can't execute a device |
| 19:18.36 | torqd2 | vanguard: very possible. any other places you can suggest to help me get an answer? |
| 19:18.41 | jetscreamer | me i'd chmod -x it |
| 19:18.47 | greycat | me I'd chmod 660 it |
| 19:18.48 | jetscreamer | but i dunno much |
| 19:18.50 | wazer | because stable and testing only have 1.3 using blackdown debs |
| 19:18.55 | jetscreamer | ok 660 works too |
| 19:19.11 | jetscreamer | so zero sets nothing eh? ok good. |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | that world-readable bit is BAD, because it means the whole world can eavesdrop on him |
| 19:19.16 | wazer | the blackdown 1.4 .99 beta in unstable is junk also |
| 19:19.18 | jetscreamer | wasn't sure |
| 19:19.37 | vanguard | torqd2: Look at /var/log/messages. |
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| 19:19.47 | jetscreamer | so strider 660 it |
| 19:19.51 | skfarek | wazer: in my source.list i have sid define only |
| 19:19.53 | strider_ | ok |
| 19:19.55 | vanguard | Do a tail -f /var/log/messages and start mozilla. |
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| 19:20.13 | vanguard | torqd2: Look, what happens. |
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| 19:20.21 | wazer | here i'll give you the source im using now |
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| 19:20.44 | Toastafari | Anyone know how to install every package that is contained on a CD? |
| 19:20.44 | frealek | hi again |
| 19:20.55 | torqd2 | vanguard: already tried that one too... nothing shows up there. |
| 19:21.05 | greycat | Toastafari: dpkg -i /cdrom/*.deb |
| 19:21.05 | wazer | http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=j2re1.4&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386 |
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| 19:21.13 | vanguard | Toastafari: Use dselect, then choose everything. |
| 19:21.15 | skfarek | thx |
| 19:21.37 | strider_ | ok |
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| 19:21.43 | strider_ | i got access :) |
| 19:21.44 | vanguard | torqd2: Sry, in the moment I do not know any more. |
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| 19:22.02 | strider_ | still no sound when i "test sound" though |
| 19:22.02 | torqd2 | vanguard: you have been helpful, and I appreciate the assistance. |
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| 19:22.07 | wazer | the 1.4 .99 beta's from blackdown are junk...they did not work for my testing install so pick one of the other mirrors |
| 19:22.24 | frealek | what can I do if the (re)installation of libpam-runtime does not extract the /etc/pam.d/other file ? I had one which did not correspond to the one which should be installed, I renamed it and --reinstalled libpam-runtime, but the file is not recreated... |
| 19:22.24 | Toastafari | Ok, here is what I did, I used apt-move to create an install CD that has all of the packages currently installed on my system |
| 19:22.26 | vanguard | torqd2: If I have an idea, I will tell you. |
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| 19:22.48 | Toastafari | now I want to be able to install all those packages on other systems |
| 19:22.50 | skfarek | wazer: deb http://www.tux.org/pub/java/debian sid main non-free i will try this |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | frealek: dpkg -i --force-confmiss libpam-runtime*.deb |
| 19:22.59 | torqd2 | vanguard: appreciate that. |
| 19:23.00 | jetscreamer | dselect rox |
| 19:23.05 | wazer | well you can try that but it did not work for me |
| 19:23.15 | frealek | thanks greycat |
| 19:23.20 | skfarek | wazer: segfault? |
| 19:23.22 | strider_ | i added my driver in modconf, gained access to dsp, what do i have to do more ? |
| 19:23.25 | greycat | frealek: another way would be to touch that file fist |
| 19:23.26 | greycat | first |
| 19:23.28 | wazer | i had to use the deb http://luon.net/debian unstable main |
| 19:23.28 | Toastafari | but the install CD's put the debs into debian/pool/letter/whatever |
| 19:23.32 | frealek | greycat: k |
| 19:23.47 | greycat | ~tell Mp3RiPpEr[AwAy] about away |
| 19:23.48 | jetscreamer | just make a mirror on a cd |
| 19:23.56 | jetscreamer | !lart Mp3RiPpEr[AwAy] |
| 19:23.57 | wazer | might try this one also deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./ |
| 19:24.01 | frealek | greycat: but I don't think that would do it, as I had an old version, and it did not replaced it with the --reinstall |
| 19:24.12 | Mp3RiPpEr | sorry about that |
| 19:24.23 | frealek | -d |
| 19:24.24 | Mave | Toastafari: you may use dpkg --get-selections > file ; dpkg --set-selections < file |
| 19:24.47 | Toastafari | ok thx Mave |
| 19:24.50 | wazer | backports.org might have a unstable backport of j2re1.4 compiled with gcc3.2 also |
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| 19:25.01 | skfarek | wazer: first i will check tux.org . thx |
| 19:25.07 | wazer | np |
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| 19:25.25 | strider_ | dpkg is lying :) |
| 19:25.26 | dpkg | strider_: are you smoking crack? |
| 19:25.39 | Mp3RiPpEr | yeah it lied to me also |
| 19:25.42 | strider_ | dpkg: you damn liar :) |
| 19:25.50 | Mp3RiPpEr | said I had the most up to date on something that I didnt have |
| 19:25.59 | Mp3RiPpEr | Oh well on the debian it did :P not channel |
| 19:26.00 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol |
| 19:26.39 | Mave | Mp3RiPpEr: here is debian too. is here unstable or what ? |
| 19:26.44 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol now I freel even dumber |
| 19:26.47 | Mp3RiPpEr | no |
| 19:26.54 | Mp3RiPpEr | I mean dpgk lied to me |
| 19:26.56 | vanguard | How can I prevent mtab of beeing edited ???? |
| 19:27.04 | Mp3RiPpEr | it said I had something installed that wasnt installed |
| 19:27.06 | greycat | vanguard: what drugs are you taking? |
| 19:27.09 | Mave | vanguard: mount has an option for that |
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| 19:27.31 | Mave | Mp3RiPpEr: interesting |
| 19:27.45 | thebug | vanguard: one easy way to do it: chmod -w /etc/mtab |
| 19:27.47 | vanguard | Mave: Yes, but I still have the problem, with thios damned installer. |
| 19:27.57 | thebug | but mount would probably get pissed |
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| 19:28.10 | greycat | why would you want your mtab to be wrong? |
| 19:28.19 | vanguard | thebug: This does not function.It is been overriten. |
| 19:28.26 | vanguard | overwritten |
| 19:28.36 | Mave | chattr ? |
| 19:28.47 | alem | i have installled fostfix, but it only runs a smtp server |
| 19:28.51 | virus | Mp3RiPpEr, your nick is cruel... not only the uc/lc confusion but also the codec - you should store your files in OGG - a codec with better quality/bitrate ratio and FREE. |
| 19:28.53 | vanguard | greycat: I have an installer, and this umounts my cdrom. |
| 19:28.54 | alem | what about the pop server ? |
| 19:28.59 | greycat | alem: apt-get install qpopper |
| 19:29.09 | greycat | alem: like, duh... this is not windows. one program, one task. |
| 19:29.15 | alem | what is qpopper ? |
| 19:29.16 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol dude I dont rip cd's or mp3s |
| 19:29.17 | Mp3RiPpEr | its just a name |
| 19:29.20 | vanguard | alem: Exchange is windows ! |
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| 19:29.27 | greycat | Mp3RiPpEr: good, because Ogg Vorbis is far better |
| 19:29.40 | strider_ | greycat: what do i have to do more to get sound ? |
| 19:29.48 | greycat | strider_: /msg apt sound |
| 19:29.55 | virus | "exchange microsoft" and don't use "microsoft exchange" |
| 19:30.00 | zebzo | im new to linux and i just install gentoo but i hate waiting for everything to emerge and compile... does debian's apt-get compile everything it downloads or does it download just the binaries? |
| 19:30.10 | strider_ | greycat: already done that |
| 19:30.19 | virus | zebzo, binaries. |
| 19:30.21 | Mave | zebzo: by default it dl's binaries but it can compile too |
| 19:30.25 | strider_ | greycat: got acess to dsp |
| 19:30.31 | virus | zebzo, gentoo = source install, debian = binary install. |
| 19:30.31 | strider_ | greycat: added my driver |
| 19:30.35 | strider_ | in modconf |
| 19:30.52 | strider_ | greycat: but to no avail |
| 19:30.53 | zebzo | virus, great! im switching to debian! |
| 19:31.01 | greycat | strider_: what's the error? |
| 19:31.02 | chris|laptop | If you setup your driver correctly and add everyone to the audio group then your sound works |
| 19:31.03 | vanguard | greycat: any clue ? |
| 19:31.07 | chris|laptop | If you don't then your sound doesn't work |
| 19:31.09 | chris|laptop | It's that simple |
| 19:31.19 | jetscreamer | exchange works if you don't know how to set a mail server up |
| 19:31.23 | strider_ | greycat: well i "test sound" in KDE, and,,well i hear nothing ;) |
| 19:31.24 | greycat | chris|laptop: unfortunately, some people run GNOME. |
| 19:31.42 | jetscreamer | gnome rox |
| 19:31.45 | greycat | chris|laptop: .... and some run that other monstrosity, KDE. |
| 19:31.46 | virus | zebzo, but be warned: 1.) debian is not THAT bleeding edge as gentoo, 2.) For a frontend machine use either testing or unstable... (don't get confused by the names... unstable is pretty stable in terms of stability.) |
| 19:31.48 | jetscreamer | kde bites |
| 19:31.55 | greycat | KDE is horrible. |
| 19:31.57 | greycat | GNOME is even worse. |
| 19:31.57 | Shay | XFCE4 owns you |
| 19:31.58 | chris|laptop | greycat: ew, sound servers |
| 19:32.03 | Shay | (let's start the war) |
| 19:32.05 | brc007 | zebzo: you'll probably want to use D-I (Debian Installer) which you can get at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:32.07 | jetscreamer | not anymore it's not worse |
| 19:32.10 | Mp3RiPpEr | Greycat what would you recomend? |
| 19:32.13 | veleno | ~tell veleno kdm |
| 19:32.14 | jetscreamer | used to be maybe |
| 19:32.15 | greycat | Mp3RiPpEr: a window manager |
| 19:32.22 | Mp3RiPpEr | what type? |
| 19:32.24 | vanguard | I like KDE |
| 19:32.28 | vanguard | Sry |
| 19:32.28 | Mp3RiPpEr | I run both kde and |
| 19:32.28 | virus | Shay, I'm pretty with kahakai, a background and some snow. (xsnow running all the time - winter AND summer) |
| 19:32.29 | chris|laptop | I use a window manager, that's it |
| 19:32.29 | vanguard | :))) |
| 19:32.29 | greycat | Mp3RiPpEr: a good one |
| 19:32.34 | strider_ | greycat: KDE is not really the issue here is it greycat |
| 19:32.35 | virus | s/pretty/pretty happy/ |
| 19:32.35 | Mp3RiPpEr | gnome |
| 19:32.41 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol@greycat |
| 19:32.43 | Mp3RiPpEr | that dont help :/ |
| 19:32.45 | greycat | strider_: god only knows. It uses that artsd shit. |
| 19:32.51 | jetscreamer | gnome is a desktop package eh |
| 19:33.00 | zebzo | brc007, thanks... |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | strider_: try it from the console, without X running, with a COMMAND LINE PROGRAM! |
| 19:33.04 | jetscreamer | metacity is gnomes default wm |
| 19:33.07 | brc007 | np |
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| 19:33.15 | greycat | how the fuck are you supposed to diagnose a driver problem with a GUI? |
| 19:33.21 | strider_ | greycat: how do i test sound from console ? |
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| 19:33.29 | greycat | strider_: play a sound? gee... |
| 19:33.31 | jetscreamer | with a gui diagnosis program?? |
| 19:33.41 | streuner | heh |
| 19:33.43 | vanguard | strider_: try playwave |
| 19:33.44 | greycat | jetscreamer: does "xterm -e cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp" count? |
| 19:33.45 | fflush | aumix |
| 19:33.47 | brc007 | zebzo: you'll want to use the Daily built CD image as the beta 1 image is unavailable |
| 19:33.54 | greycat | jetscreamer: err, you'd need some quoting on that |
| 19:34.15 | greycat | vanguard: or just "play" (in sox) |
| 19:34.32 | vanguard | strider_: I usually used modplay (as I like mod-files) |
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| 19:34.37 | jetscreamer | shit greycat how do i turn it off |
| 19:34.44 | jetscreamer | omfg help |
| 19:34.57 | Mp3RiPpEr | ROFL |
| 19:34.59 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: close the window you twit |
| 19:35.02 | jetscreamer | how do i turn this shit off!!!!! |
| 19:35.05 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:35.08 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 19:35.11 | Mp3RiPpEr | loool |
| 19:35.15 | strider_ | ok none of those commands work |
| 19:35.17 | vanguard | But I still get problems with my Unreal-installer !!!!! |
| 19:35.19 | jetscreamer | i guess ctrl c woulda worked too |
| 19:35.24 | greycat | strider_: WHAT IS THE ERROR? |
| 19:35.33 | streuner | !tell jetscreamer about enter |
| 19:35.46 | strider_ | playwave is unkmown command |
| 19:35.54 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 19:35.54 | greycat | fuck. ing. hell. |
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| 19:36.05 | vanguard | strider_: try play |
| 19:36.05 | greycat | strider_: cat /etc/profile > /dev/dsp |
| 19:36.06 | jetscreamer | roflmao |
| 19:36.15 | vanguard | alsaplayer |
| 19:36.18 | Mave | hm |
| 19:36.46 | Mave | we should have a sine wave generator device cat /dev/sine > /dev/dsp |
| 19:36.47 | jetscreamer | strider, what chip is your sound and what driver did you load for it |
| 19:37.01 | jetscreamer | strider, apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect |
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| 19:37.16 | greycat | Mave: would be useless without an ioctl to control frequency |
| 19:37.33 | strider_ | hmm |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | Mave: and just plain dumb to do in kernel space anyway |
| 19:37.41 | Mave | greycat: it could default to say 1KHz |
| 19:37.41 | jetscreamer | ioctl is fuxored for keymaps or something giving the kdskbent error on boot |
| 19:37.53 | chris|laptop | It sounds like strider has the driver loaded, he just doesn't know how to actually play audio |
| 19:37.57 | Mave | greycat: yes it would be dumb |
| 19:38.22 | strider_ | what is cat /etc/profile > /dev/dsp supposed to do ? |
| 19:38.35 | strider_ | chris|laptop: well i tested sound from KDE |
| 19:38.42 | Mave | greycat: or they could add a magic-sysrq combo for testing /dev/dsp :> |
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| 19:38.43 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 19:38.49 | frealek | Mave: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp that gives PSHHHHHHHHH then it's working. period :) |
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| 19:38.52 | jetscreamer | strider, apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect |
| 19:38.54 | strider_ | chris|laptop: btu greycay believes that is unreliable |
| 19:39.00 | strider_ | greyacay = greycat |
| 19:39.00 | frealek | ~tell root_ about root |
| 19:39.02 | jetscreamer | strider it's supposed to play a loud sound |
| 19:39.06 | jetscreamer | the cat thing is |
| 19:39.11 | strider_ | jetscreamer: it doesnt |
| 19:39.13 | chris|laptop | strider_: It's more the problem that you have no idea what kde is running |
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| 19:39.18 | RobotBebop | how can i set KDEDIR and QTDIR when their files are all over different places of the filesystem ? |
| 19:39.23 | jetscreamer | strider, it should (did for me) |
| 19:39.25 | RobotBebop | i mean,w tf. |
| 19:39.27 | RobotBebop | * wtf |
| 19:39.37 | jetscreamer | strider, apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect |
| 19:39.53 | chris|laptop | I bet he has esd running and occupying dsp |
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| 19:40.27 | wazer | Have there been alot of java plugin questions today because of the release of mozilla 1.5 into testing? |
| 19:40.31 | fflush | RobotBebop: if you installed qt from debian package try setting QTDIR to /usr/lib/qt.. |
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| 19:40.56 | jetscreamer | does mozilla still have that 1.4->1.5 shrotcut problem in testing??? |
| 19:41.02 | jetscreamer | shortcut |
| 19:41.20 | strider_ | jetscreamer: done |
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| 19:41.42 | RobotBebop | fflush: ok |
| 19:41.44 | jetscreamer | ok so that's good strider |
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| 19:41.57 | jetscreamer | yo ustil have the sound problem but you know the drivers are correct |
| 19:42.13 | wazer | i just updated to 1.5 on my sarge install today. Had to change my j2re install. None of the blackdown debs work |
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| 19:42.22 | RobotBebop | fflush, all that's in the /usr/lib/qt3 directory is another directory called plugins |
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| 19:43.02 | strider_ | ok |
| 19:43.22 | fflush | RobotBebop: if you trying to compile some qt program you donwloaded you should install libqt3-dev |
| 19:43.35 | RobotBebop | i think i did already, let me check |
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| 19:44.09 | RobotBebop | fflush, hmm, apparently i didn't :) |
| 19:44.11 | RobotBebop | thanks |
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| 19:44.16 | fflush | okz |
| 19:44.57 | jetscreamer | should kernel-package depend/recommend build-essentials? i can't tell it does |
| 19:45.09 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: you may need to point the ./configure script at the qt includes to get the program to compile (I've seen people with that issue before) |
| 19:45.36 | RobotBebop | i was just trying to build the KHello example on the KDE developer site |
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| 19:46.03 | caphuso | jetscreamer: no |
| 19:46.33 | teclo | Greetings. When I do apt-get source <blah>, there is the blah-version directory, and then blah-version.orig.tar.gz... Does the tar.gz contain everything that is in the directroy ? or is it something else ? |
| 19:46.50 | jetscreamer | when i tried to make-kpkg --blah binary it borked on docs |
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| 19:47.01 | jetscreamer | a few days ago |
| 19:47.06 | strider_ | jetscreamer: so is it this KDE sound test that is at fault ?since the driver is working ? |
| 19:47.36 | jetscreamer | strider_, i dunno. your driver should be installed properly atm. all i know. |
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| 19:48.07 | jetscreamer | adduser user audio always did the trick for me |
| 19:48.10 | jetscreamer | al i know |
| 19:48.19 | jetscreamer | oh btw |
| 19:48.36 | streuner | argh, ARTS give headaches ... |
| 19:48.44 | jetscreamer | the group on /dev/cdrom gets reset to disk sometimes. you'll need to make sure it's cdrom |
| 19:48.57 | Mp3RiPpEr | I still cant get wine to install |
| 19:48.59 | Mp3RiPpEr | any suggestions? |
| 19:49.05 | strider_ | streuner: how so |
| 19:49.11 | Mp3RiPpEr | when it installs it goes Segmentation fault when I try to open wine iteself |
| 19:49.25 | caphuso | jetscreamer: the group on /dev/cdrom is entirely irrelevant |
| 19:49.42 | streuner | strider_: so you get no sound at all? |
| 19:49.45 | jaimos_ | Mp3RiPpEr: have you tried wine-setup to get it to created the fake_windows enviorment? |
| 19:50.00 | RobotBebop | wtf. |
| 19:50.08 | jetscreamer | caphuso i did'nt meaning it was relevant to the sound but it is still somelthing that needs to be done |
| 19:50.11 | strider_ | streuner: no i have given up, ill guess ill boot to windoze to listen to sound :) |
| 19:50.11 | RobotBebop | arg. |
| 19:50.21 | caphuso | jetscreamer: no, it doesn't need to be done |
| 19:50.31 | jetscreamer | caphuso yes it does |
| 19:50.32 | streuner | strider_: hm :-) |
| 19:50.36 | frealek | are libpam* packages key-packages for the login system ? I mean, if I purge them, could I still be able to login ? or the login package is the only one that matters for login ? (I'm not doing it I just wonder) |
| 19:50.39 | jetscreamer | or |
| 19:50.43 | caphuso | jetscreamer: /dev/cdrom is a symlink, its permissions and ownerships are irrelevant |
| 19:50.47 | jetscreamer | group cdrom can't access |
| 19:50.48 | RobotBebop | that was weird |
| 19:50.53 | RobotBebop | somehow all my KDE dev files got deleted |
| 19:50.54 | jetscreamer | ok you're right |
| 19:50.57 | MikeH | does anyone know if i need any extra packages to write pdf's with openoffice? |
| 19:51.01 | jetscreamer | what /dev/cdrom points to |
| 19:51.11 | LoRez | MikeH: you shouldn't. works out of the box here. |
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| 19:51.18 | jetscreamer | done in gnome it will follow. from cli it won't |
| 19:51.20 | streuner | MikeH: yes, openoffice ;-) |
| 19:51.29 | Mp3RiPpEr | Does anyone know what I need to install to get wine working thats a question right there |
| 19:51.40 | chris|laptop | Mp3RiPpEr: wine, that's about it |
| 19:51.48 | Mp3RiPpEr | It keeps failing |
| 19:51.48 | Active2 | i'm compiling some c++ code and i come now to this error: : undefined reference to `vtable for GTK_GUI' |
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| 19:51.53 | Active2 | What does that mean ? |
| 19:51.55 | MikeH | LoRez: i have openoffice, but its giving me no option to save as pdf |
| 19:51.58 | jaimos_ | frealek: pam is a man form of authentaction on your box, removing it will most likely break it. |
| 19:52.01 | chris|laptop | Active2: #gtk, #C++ |
| 19:52.13 | MikeH | oh yeah it does |
| 19:52.16 | MikeH | nevermind :) |
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| 19:52.21 | jaimos_ | Mp3RiPpEr: as I said did you try wine-setup and use it to set up your fake_windows enviorment? |
| 19:52.36 | chris|laptop | Assuming he has the winesetuptk package |
| 19:52.40 | jaimos_ | frealek: s/man/main/ |
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| 19:52.47 | Mp3RiPpEr | wine-setup? |
| 19:52.49 | frealek | jaimos_ I though that too, but I wanna be able to mess with that manually, and I just don't have a system to test that right now... |
| 19:52.56 | Mp3RiPpEr | all I see is wine |
| 19:53.00 | Mp3RiPpEr | I dont see a wine-setup |
| 19:53.24 | initech | frealek: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:53.53 | frealek | initech: just to know what packages are needed to be able to successfully open a root shell on a box |
| 19:53.55 | jaimos_ | !tell Mp3RiPpEr about away |
| 19:54.09 | initech | frealek: pam would be one of them |
| 19:54.15 | Mp3RiPpEr | um |
| 19:54.18 | jaimos_ | Mp3RiPpEr: sorry this is the package name winesetuptk - Windows Emulator (Configuration and Setup Tool) |
| 19:54.18 | Mp3RiPpEr | it is turned off like wtf? |
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| 19:54.45 | azreal | as much as want to like kde, i just cant get into it :P |
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| 19:54.56 | Mp3RiPpEr | where do I get winesetuptk? |
| 19:55.00 | jaimos_ | azreal: there is NO reason to like KDE...(: |
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| 19:55.12 | jaimos_ | !tell Mp3RiPpEr about search |
| 19:55.14 | jetscreamer | i like gnome and icewm and fluxbox and enlightenment |
| 19:55.15 | azreal | i guess it reminds me too much of windows, all of that "in your face" bullshit gets on my nerves |
| 19:55.16 | frealek | initech: k |
| 19:55.19 | Mp3RiPpEr | ... |
| 19:55.22 | Mp3RiPpEr | Real help hu |
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| 19:55.40 | Vyrus001 | is there an apt-get for frgl |
| 19:55.44 | jetscreamer | xfce works well too |
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| 19:55.49 | Vyrus001 | i have an ati radeon mobility card |
| 19:55.51 | initech | azreal: you can tone it down though, but yes it is kinda "loud", but not like windows IMO |
| 19:55.54 | azreal | jaimos_: i really want to like it, i mean they have done a great job with it, its just not my ball of wax i guess |
| 19:55.55 | Vyrus001 | and need drivers |
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| 19:56.39 | strider_ | si there a realplayer for linux ? |
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| 19:56.46 | ulitz | does anyone know of an app that switches your background image automatically based on time that has gone by... like every 30 sec? |
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| 19:56.48 | chris|laptop | strider_: if you bothered looking, yes |
| 19:56.51 | jaimos_ | azreal: I don't like how everything in KDE is interwoven, that's the main reason I don't like it. |
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| 19:57.03 | Vyrus001 | strider_: um xine has a real plugin |
| 19:57.07 | torqd2 | vanguard: the mozilla problem is with one of the plugins, it appears. |
| 19:57.09 | initech | ulitz: xsetroot, cron; or kde if you use that |
| 19:57.23 | jetscreamer | kde users: do no apt-get remove gfax even if you don't have a fax modem |
| 19:57.35 | Vyrus001 | is there an apt-get for frgl i need drivers for an ati radeon mobility card on my laptop |
| 19:57.39 | ulitz | initech: you get that name from officespace? |
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| 19:57.49 | initech | ulitz: yeah |
| 19:57.49 | maru | Vyrus001: which one? |
| 19:57.55 | ulitz | initech: is there one for gnome |
| 19:57.59 | Vyrus001 | maru ?? |
| 19:58.02 | initech | ulitz: not sure |
| 19:58.07 | Vyrus001 | maru which card ?? |
| 19:58.14 | maru | Vyrus001: there is more than one radeon mobility card |
| 19:58.23 | Vyrus001 | maru oh duh lol um... |
| 19:58.34 | ulitz | there is one that is called chbg but i can't get it to work |
| 19:58.38 | Vyrus001 | maru ati radeon IGP340M |
| 19:58.50 | Vyrus001 | maru: 1535+ chipset |
| 19:58.51 | initech | ulitz: xsetroot doesn't work? |
| 19:59.01 | ulitz | never tried that one |
| 19:59.04 | maru | Vyrus001: Hmm, Are you running sid? |
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| 19:59.17 | RobotBebop | root has lande d? |
| 19:59.19 | RobotBebop | root has landed? |
| 19:59.30 | RobotBebop | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 19:59.32 | azreal | i love when root lands |
| 19:59.35 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: someone is ircing as root and the bots are pointing it out., |
| 19:59.41 | Vyrus001 | maru: yea... but it's not accsessable cus im running through a router...and i have one machine serving alredy |
| 19:59.41 | RobotBebop | OOOooohh |
| 19:59.42 | RobotBebop | haha |
| 19:59.46 | azreal | we have lots of root landings here |
| 19:59.46 | RobotBebop | :) |
| 19:59.54 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 19:59.58 | Vyrus001 | maru: i can give u an acount to that system and u can ssh to the laptop |
| 19:59.58 | RobotBebop | apparently it's a big security risk to IRC as root |
| 20:00.19 | maru | Vyrus001: you could install xfree 4.3.0 from experimental, should have native support for your card |
| 20:00.23 | jaimos_ | Vyrus001: not really a good idea (just giving accounts to random people on the inet) |
| 20:00.41 | Vyrus001 | jaimos i give them limated privs... lol |
| 20:00.49 | Vyrus001 | then there gone lol |
| 20:01.13 | Vyrus001 | maru: but what is the defalt driver for mobility |
| 20:01.16 | azreal | its just generally a bad idea to irc as root, someone could tell a cluebie to type "/exec rm -rf /" |
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| 20:01.21 | RobotBebop | why can't there be a nice tool for KDE/Qt like gtk-config |
| 20:01.23 | ulitz | initech: how do i use xsetroot |
| 20:01.25 | maru | Vyrus001: you mean for X? |
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| 20:01.28 | initech | Vyrus001: if you want to use ATI's drivers, they're located on ATI's website. Yu can also try using the free stuff, which you can get complete from dri.sourceforge.net |
| 20:01.57 | Vyrus001 | i just need to know what needs to go in the space inthe xf86config file |
| 20:01.58 | RobotBebop | er |
| 20:01.58 | initech | ulitz: man xsetroot |
| 20:01.58 | RobotBebop | disregard my last statement. |
| 20:01.58 | corz | /msg apt hold |
| 20:01.58 | Vyrus001 | what driver to use |
| 20:02.00 | Vyrus001 | :P |
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| 20:02.09 | jaimos_ | azreal: it would be funny, but I doubt I could bring myself to do that, cluebies don't need our help to fuck up their system. |
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| 20:02.24 | maru | Vyrus001: "radeon" <--- but you need X 4.3.0 for it to work |
| 20:02.26 | initech | Vyrus001: "ati", but you must set up the drivers first |
| 20:02.55 | initech | Vyrus001: "ati" if you use DRI, radeon if you use ati's drivers I believe |
| 20:02.56 | Vyrus001 | lol ok so how do i do this apt-get what ?? |
| 20:03.08 | Vyrus001 | oh... |
| 20:03.13 | azreal | jaimos_: yeah, but irc has historically, allways been a place where people like to "fuck with" people who have no clue. |
| 20:03.27 | ulitz | initech: yeah but i want to be able to set it so that it changes backgrounds every few min and not manually |
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| 20:03.33 | maru | initech: naw, "radeon" if you use xfree 4.3.0 |
| 20:03.38 | Vyrus001 | maru apt-get install xfree864.3.0 ??? |
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| 20:03.46 | RobotBebop | er.. i had kde-config confused as a development tool |
| 20:03.51 | initech | ulitz: put it in your crontab, with some logic to check whether X is running |
| 20:04.00 | uws | pidof X |
| 20:04.01 | uws | :) |
| 20:04.10 | noam | hi. while trying to `apt-get install kde` on testing, I get alot of unmet deps: "kde: Depends: kdelibs3 but it is not installable" etc |
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| 20:04.22 | noam | can anybody help me other than myself? :) |
| 20:04.29 | jaimos_ | azreal: hmm, I belive historically people just like to fuck with other people for their own enjoyment. |
| 20:04.42 | azreal | jaimos_: i guess so |
| 20:04.55 | oyoy | Anyone know if ATI's driver work with 2.6.0 now? Last I saw was support for test6 or something... |
| 20:05.04 | azreal | jaimos_: fuckin spaniards |
| 20:05.16 | bitmonk | hey guys.. i know apt has the answer to this, but forgot how to ask.. |
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| 20:05.28 | bitmonk | how do i tell apt not to upgrade a package with dpkg --set-selections ?? |
| 20:05.38 | caphuso | bitmonk: /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:05.38 | frealek | noam: read the error, kdelibs3 is not installable, thus try to install it and read the error msgs which will be more detailed I think |
| 20:05.47 | bitmonk | oh its a whole new bot |
| 20:05.48 | bitmonk | wow |
| 20:05.49 | bitmonk | heh |
| 20:05.55 | jaimos_ | noam: I belive the meta-package kde has some issues in testing, try to just install the parts of kde you need, apt-cache search kde, then install the kde core packages with konq and it should work. |
| 20:06.35 | noam | thanks both |
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| 20:06.44 | jaimos_ | bitmonk: apt is still around, he has just been on vaction and got use to it so dpkg is taking up the slack..(: |
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| 20:07.16 | bitmonk | right on.. |
| 20:07.20 | bitmonk | that dude needs a break yanno.. |
| 20:07.29 | bitmonk | one day we should all buy him a gold watch |
| 20:07.39 | siks | has anyone else had trouble with big libraries or anything recently? i just dist-upgraded from fresh woody installation to sid and apt is segfaulting |
| 20:07.48 | siks | nothing else seems to do the same |
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| 20:08.04 | bitmonk | siks: have you tried running strace to investigate? |
| 20:08.18 | siks | yeah i tried, it doesn't seem to spit out anything useful |
| 20:08.26 | bitmonk | d'oh |
| 20:08.27 | siks | i can try getting the output available in a sec |
| 20:08.29 | siks | moment |
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| 20:08.36 | oyoy | Siks: Fin the pkg's apt depends on, and upgrade those with dpkg if you can... |
| 20:08.38 | bitmonk | well you can see the last couple of syscalls before it segfaulted ;) |
| 20:08.52 | nomeata | is it normal for dot to run over 3h? |
| 20:09.03 | siks | oyoy, yeah i'll try that. i already upgraded apt just in case from .deb with dpkg |
| 20:09.14 | Vyrus001 | maru how do i install the new x |
| 20:09.15 | Vyrus001 | ?? |
| 20:09.28 | maru | Vyrus001: What are you running right now? |
| 20:09.34 | Vyrus001 | um... |
| 20:09.54 | maru | Vyrus001: stable, unstable? |
| 20:10.01 | Vyrus001 | maru stable i beleve |
| 20:10.04 | Vyrus001 | maru: new install |
| 20:10.15 | Vyrus001 | maru: so technicly nothing cus x hassnt run yet lol |
| 20:10.32 | maru | Vyrus001: then I would go with the official ATI driversds |
| 20:10.43 | Vyrus001 | so just ati in the driver pannel |
| 20:10.44 | Vyrus001 | ?? |
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| 20:10.51 | maru | Vyrus001 Haven't installed them myself though |
| 20:10.54 | Vyrus001 | cus that aint workin eather lol |
| 20:11.03 | Vyrus001 | oh ok.... mabe it's the bus id or somting |
| 20:11.04 | Vyrus001 | lol |
| 20:11.07 | Vyrus001 | thanx for the help |
| 20:11.09 | siks | http://jlug.fi/~pasi/straceoutput.txt is the output from strace apt-get install (without even a package parameter). |
| 20:11.09 | Vyrus001 | :P |
| 20:11.20 | oyoy | Have you found a .deb for 2.6 yet? I thought it was in experimental by now... |
| 20:11.23 | siks | so far the only pieces of software i've found segfaulting are apt-cache and apt-get |
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| 20:12.25 | caphuso | siks: what about "dpkg -l"? does it work? |
| 20:12.35 | siks | yes |
| 20:12.37 | siks | dpkg seems to work ok |
| 20:12.37 | dpkg | no idea, siks |
| 20:12.47 | Mave | dpkg: shut up |
| 20:12.47 | dpkg | yes master |
| 20:12.54 | jaimos_ | dpkg: botsnack |
| 20:12.55 | dpkg | jaimos_: aw, gee |
| 20:12.59 | RobotBebop | is there nothing like gtk-config for KDE ? |
| 20:13.07 | caphuso | RobotBebop: kde-config? qt-config? |
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| 20:13.20 | RobotBebop | caphuso: kde-config doesn't give you the cflags like gtk-config does |
| 20:13.23 | siks | i guess i'll try upgrading the files apt uses next. packages.debian.org should be fixed already ffs |
| 20:13.32 | RobotBebop | and there doesn't seem to be a qt-config that i have |
| 20:13.38 | oyoy | siks: apt Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1) What versions do you have? |
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| 20:13.45 | siks | checking |
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| 20:14.00 | darinlh | greetings |
| 20:14.06 | siks | libc6 is 2.3.2.ds1-10 |
| 20:14.14 | siks | should qualify |
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| 20:14.37 | siks | 3.3.3-0pre1 libgcc1 |
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| 20:14.45 | oyoy | ok.. |
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| 20:15.04 | siks | libstdc++5 is 3.3.3-0pre1 too |
| 20:15.09 | oyoy | hm.. |
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| 20:15.13 | bjorn_ | hey, I'm looking for a convenient way to read the text/html .gz fils in /usr/share/doc/ without having to gunzip them. |
| 20:15.23 | oyoy | zless |
| 20:15.25 | darinlh | anyone have the latest upgrade fail to finish install of foomatic? |
| 20:15.35 | gertje | how do I catch an oops? |
| 20:15.36 | Mave | darinlh: use the one from sid |
| 20:15.47 | gertje | I get a kernel oops and I would like to get it in a file |
| 20:15.48 | quaqo | re |
| 20:15.51 | darinlh | mave thanx |
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| 20:16.03 | gertje | I get it when I do echo 4>/proc/acpi/sleep |
| 20:16.07 | siks | oyoy, those pre versions would normally scare me but this is unstable so i guses they're ok |
| 20:16.21 | noam | damn this |
| 20:16.25 | noam | :| |
| 20:16.33 | noam | should I have used stable for my workstation? |
| 20:16.42 | oyoy | siks: Yes, you'll get some strange thing happen on you in unstable... |
| 20:16.50 | Mave | noam: no |
| 20:16.54 | siks | aye, next dist-upgrade's gonna be a pain though :) |
| 20:16.59 | siks | without apt-get .. |
| 20:17.04 | RobotBebop | er |
| 20:17.07 | jaimos_ | oyoy: have you tried aptitude and see if that will finish the upgrading. |
| 20:17.11 | RobotBebop | how do you do dist-upgrade without apt ? |
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| 20:17.18 | Magus | hello evry1 |
| 20:17.19 | caphuso | noam: how much downtime/maintainance time can you afford on your workstation? |
| 20:17.22 | oyoy | jaimos: no |
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| 20:17.54 | noam | caphuso: as long as it takes |
| 20:18.03 | siks | robotbebop, by upgrading enough stuff manually to get a working apt :) |
| 20:18.13 | RobotBebop | siks, ouch |
| 20:18.32 | Magus | newbie q but can someone help me with it? -> how can i see what network driver is loaded |
| 20:18.33 | RobotBebop | i guess it'd be worse if you didn't have dpkg ? |
| 20:18.33 | jaimos_ | siks: that msg to oyoy was for you about aptitude. |
| 20:18.41 | RobotBebop | Magus: lsmod |
| 20:18.50 | jaimos_ | Magus: lsmod |
| 20:18.50 | siks | jaimos_, oh no i haven't. doesn't aptitude use apt though? |
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| 20:18.50 | mundane | magus: If it is a module, use lsmod |
| 20:18.50 | Magus | tnx |
| 20:18.53 | RobotBebop | JYNX |
| 20:18.56 | Magus | if it's not? |
| 20:19.00 | caphuso | noam: so it wouldn't matter if a broken postrm script starts running 'rm -r /', making you spend a few hours to restore your last backup? |
| 20:19.10 | bkw | Can I disable editors from creating ~ files? |
| 20:19.17 | caphuso | bkw: sometimes |
| 20:19.24 | Magus | mundane: and if it's not a module? |
| 20:19.28 | jaimos_ | siks: I'm not excatly sure, but it might be worth a shot, dselect may work as well. |
| 20:19.30 | noam | :| |
| 20:19.36 | Mave | caphuso: I thought maintainers are not using those rm -r's anymore :> |
| 20:19.54 | siks | jaimos_, dselect uses apt |
| 20:19.57 | siks | tried that already |
| 20:19.59 | Timmmm | Hey, if you were an international car manufacturer, and you wanted to use the internet for communications, you'd obviously want it to be secure. So you'd use a VPN right... and IPsec? Can you use IPsec now-a-days or is it like ipv6 and has to be implemented by all the isp's before it becomes usable? |
| 20:20.12 | siks | i'm afraid aptitude does too, installing it now though |
| 20:20.17 | oyoy | siks: How much free space do you have om your disks? |
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| 20:20.27 | siks | 25 gigs |
| 20:20.36 | siks | should be enough :) |
| 20:20.49 | frealek | siks: isn't it apt that uses dselect ? |
| 20:20.53 | siks | dkpg -i aptitude has a depency problem.. this looks interesting though. |
| 20:20.58 | siks | frealek, don't think so |
| 20:21.02 | oyoy | Yes. I've had a few bad upgrades cos the disks filed up... |
| 20:21.08 | Mave | frealek: no, the reverse |
| 20:21.18 | tempo | how do i makepasswd for a user in a file ? makepasswd user file? (need that for exim passwd's) |
| 20:21.27 | siks | depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.3 [blabla] is not installed |
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| 20:21.33 | frealek | then dselect uses apt which uses dpkg, right ? |
| 20:21.34 | siks | why am i missing libapt-pkg-libc6. hmmm |
| 20:21.42 | Mave | frealek: right |
| 20:21.50 | noam | unstable is different than testing, right? |
| 20:21.54 | Mave | frealek: if you select apt method in dselect |
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| 20:22.02 | Mave | noam: right |
| 20:22.19 | siks | err ftp.fi.debian.org doesn't seem to have this file |
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| 20:22.20 | Timmmm | noam: It goes: stable (woody) - testing (sarge) - unstable (sid) |
| 20:22.20 | Mave | anybody else need a "right" ? |
| 20:22.32 | jaimos_ | Mave: I'll take a "left" |
| 20:22.32 | oyoy | Have anyone found a .deb for 2.6 yet? I thought it was in experimental by now... |
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| 20:22.37 | tempo | Mave: rigtht:) |
| 20:22.45 | noam | so kde's meta-files will definatly not work in sid :) |
| 20:22.56 | derobert | Timmmm: If I were a large company, I'd hire security people to answer those questions, design security polices, etc., not an IRC channel :-) But yes, IPSec can be deployed today. It doesn't require special ISP support. |
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| 20:23.10 | McCabe | is it correct that if my clock lags and i have ntpd running, it will learn my clocks error and correct the adjtime file so it will get better by time? |
| 20:23.11 | darinlh | mc should work also |
| 20:23.11 | jaimos_ | noam: they might work, but they pull in way to may dependencies, so I suggest not using them..(: |
| 20:23.23 | Timmmm | derobert: Heh, I'm not *actually* from a large company - writing an essay... |
| 20:23.24 | derobert | McCabe: yes |
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| 20:23.33 | McCabe | derobert: thanks! |
| 20:23.49 | derobert | McCabe: though beware that if your clock is too bad, NTP may surrender. |
| 20:24.09 | McCabe | derobert: do you know ~what to bad means? |
| 20:24.14 | derobert | Timmmm: Not sure what your essay is about, but you may want to consider other apects of security... |
| 20:24.17 | oyoy | 30 mins, I think |
| 20:24.20 | derobert | McCabe: over 500ppm |
| 20:24.30 | azreal | McCabe: i dont think ntpd modifies the adjtime, it just refreshes the system clock periodically |
| 20:24.34 | noam | jaimos_: gonna try my luck with manually installing the libs :P |
| 20:24.37 | siks | hm wtf |
| 20:24.48 | jaimos_ | noam: I wish ya great skill...(: |
| 20:24.55 | siks | apt should provide libapt-pkg-lib6 |
| 20:25.03 | | siks: are you using Windows? |
| 20:25.03 | siks | however aptitude complains about it |
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| 20:25.13 | Strider- | are u happy now, i am using windows now :) |
| 20:25.14 | derobert | Timmmm: For a good long while, the mathematical problem of security has been essentially solved. We have --- and have had for a while --- algorithms and protocols we are pretty confident can't be broken. |
| 20:25.16 | McCabe | azreal: ok, if thats the case, is it possible to alter that file yourself? |
| 20:25.23 | Timmmm | derobert: Well, its about the impact of emerging internet technologies on an international companies manufacturing network. :-) |
| 20:25.30 | Strider- | ahmm,,yeah,,windows,,,where SOUND is working,,,oh boy :) |
| 20:25.37 | Magus | please any1: if i want to see which network driver is loaded but it's not a module how can i see that? |
| 20:25.44 | Mave | Strider-: no problem, debin support freedom of choice ;) |
| 20:25.46 | azreal | McCabe: yes, you use setclock or hwclock, but better reads some docs first |
| 20:25.48 | Timmmm | derobert: Yeah, I was under the assumption that properly configured encryption can't realistically be broken these days... |
| 20:25.53 | derobert | azreal: ntp uses adjtime |
| 20:25.57 | frealek | Strider-: everybody uses the OS that fits with their user :) |
| 20:26.05 | Strider- | :) |
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| 20:26.13 | McCabe | azreal: ok, thanks, ill do some reading! |
| 20:26.15 | Timmmm | derobert: Most vulnerabilities are poorly written software rather than mathematical... |
| 20:26.27 | derobert | Timmmm: No, most vulnerabilities are *human* |
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| 20:26.34 | jetscreamer | 1/2 a gig of inodes? |
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| 20:26.39 | Timmmm | derobert: g'point :) |
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| 20:26.55 | azreal | McCabe: from my understanding though, useing ntpd negates the need to use /etc/adjtime, useing ntpd makes it unnecessary for the hwclock to be correct at all |
| 20:27.12 | Magus | please any1: if i want to see which network driver is loaded but it's not a module how can i see that? |
| 20:27.20 | jetscreamer | if you use ntp isn't the hw clock set correctly sometime? |
| 20:27.24 | derobert | Timmmm: People will subvert firewalls, run utrusted code no matter what you tell them, write their passwords on their keyboards (even though it's "password"), etc. |
| 20:27.28 | caphuso | Magus: check /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:27.50 | McCabe | azreal: my hw clock is fine, well, as long as i dont have the kernel running.. |
| 20:27.58 | derobert | azreal: No it doesn't. ntp can't correct for when the machine is off. |
| 20:28.02 | Timmmm | derobert: Yeah, well, for the purposes of my essay, we'll assume that people aren't stupid. |
| 20:28.13 | derobert | Timmmm: lol |
| 20:28.25 | Mave | Timmmm: uhm uneducated we prefer :P |
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| 20:28.38 | Magus | caphuso: tnx i'll try |
| 20:28.40 | caphuso | derobert: it doesn't need to, you simply run ntpdate at boot time and let that sort out the initial time, then use ntpd to keep it right |
| 20:28.41 | jetscreamer | lol@ Timmmm |
| 20:28.43 | azreal | derobert: if ntpd is started at boot, then whats the difference? |
| 20:28.47 | jaimos_ | Timmmm: but that is one of the things you can almost always assume, the stupidity of the masses. |
| 20:28.49 | jetscreamer | in what fantasy does this occur |
| 20:28.59 | frealek | caphuso: does a "lsmod"-like command exist to list kernel hardware capabilities ? (for non-2.6 kernels (i.e. without /proc/config)) |
| 20:29.00 | derobert | azreal: well, for one, if the clock is too far off, ntp will surrender. |
| 20:29.15 | derobert | azreal: if you use ntpdate as well, it's fine. |
| 20:29.25 | caphuso | frealek: pager /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:29.25 | azreal | derobert: hmm, ok |
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| 20:29.45 | Timmmm | jaimos_: Very well, I shall add a postscript: "Note: This essay assumes a minimum level of inteligence. Actual results may vary." |
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| 20:30.01 | jaimos_ | Timmmm: (: |
| 20:30.07 | frealek | caphuso: then I assume everything is listed in the dmesgs... k |
| 20:30.10 | McCabe | derobert: in any case, id prefer if the computer kept the time somewhat even without ntpd.. now it lags 2 -3 hours / day :/ |
| 20:30.27 | derobert | two tow three HOURS per DAY?! |
| 20:31.02 | derobert | McCabe: ... that is far, far, far beyond 500ppm |
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| 20:31.16 | noam | how do I query dpkg for package versions in stable? |
| 20:31.22 | McCabe | derobert: yeah, its quite annoying.. but theres nothing wrong with the hw.. |
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| 20:31.27 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search searchterm |
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| 20:31.51 | derobert | McCabe: is it a consistent amount, or not? |
| 20:31.52 | jetscreamer | searchterm==partial package name |
| 20:31.52 | Timmmm | btw.... lets talk about this host: nmap 218.39.225.126 ... |
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| 20:32.33 | McCabe | derobert: i havent timed it to see if its exactly the same diff each day. but its not an even amount of hours as if the timezone setting was wrong |
| 20:32.38 | Timmmm | More dodgy ports than you can shake a stick at. And we're talking large branch here not little twig. |
| 20:33.17 | derobert | McCabe: if its the same amount of hours every day, use adjtimex to make it within 43sec/day. 43s/day =~ 500ppm |
| 20:33.32 | McCabe | derobert: ok, thanks! |
| 20:33.47 | blackmad | does anyone know how to fix this mkisofs error when trying to create a dvd filesystem: mkisofs: Implementation botch. Video pad for file VIDEO_TS.VOB is -5 |
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| 20:34.53 | derobert | McCabe: once you have the clock sane (by adjusting the ticks per second) then NTP can keep it correct. |
| 20:35.00 | noam | how can I see which packages are installed in my computer? :) |
| 20:35.07 | blackmad | dpkg -L |
| 20:35.08 | dpkg | wish i knew, blackmad |
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| 20:35.14 | noam | blacke: merci buko |
| 20:35.17 | noam | jaimos_: I figured I'd upgrade to sid |
| 20:35.29 | McCabe | derobert: do you mean /etc/adjtime or something else? man adjtimex gives a c function? |
| 20:35.39 | derobert | McCabe: apt-get install adjtimex |
| 20:35.45 | Zap-W | \\ |
| 20:35.50 | McCabe | derobert: oh, that simple.. thanks |
| 20:35.52 | jetscreamer | how about... how the hell do i tell what font i don't have just from what i see on a web page (or don't see rather. i see an ext ascii char that isnt correct) |
| 20:36.01 | jaimos_ | noam: My suggestion is only upgrade to sid if you know what your doing and have some familary with debian system managemnt. |
| 20:36.05 | derobert | McCabe: then read the manpage :-) |
| 20:36.15 | McCabe | derobert: yeah :) |
| 20:36.15 | noam | blacke: dpkg-query -l :) |
| 20:36.17 | toto | who know a packet filter with content blocker (stop all packet with "viagra" for example) |
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| 20:36.48 | noam | toto: you can combine snort with iptables, but why did you repeat? :| |
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| 20:37.07 | toto | sorry |
| 20:37.08 | derobert | toto: For web content, or everything? |
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| 20:37.26 | noam | yeah, for web content you can use a transparent proxy, much less cpu intensive :) |
| 20:37.35 | Myren | how do you undo the last couple letters you typed in VIM |
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| 20:37.46 | frealek | escape then U |
| 20:37.51 | frealek | (u) |
| 20:38.02 | toto | for web content and p2p blocking |
| 20:38.11 | Myren | thank you so much |
| 20:38.15 | Myren | i just freaked the fuck out |
| 20:38.24 | Myren | was overwriting something by accident |
| 20:38.48 | frealek | Myren: remember that esc:q! helps getting rid of modifications |
| 20:39.03 | derobert | Myren: you definitely want :help |
| 20:39.10 | derobert | :-D |
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| 20:39.30 | toto | i have tryed to use iptables Patch o matic but it is to tough to compile |
| 20:39.52 | RobotBebop | arg |
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| 20:40.12 | RobotBebop | i think i should just rip out debian's KDE stuff and install the KDE 3.2 release candidate |
| 20:40.43 | Shadur | RobotBebop: maybe you should /join #debian-kde and look for apt sources for KDE3.3 |
| 20:40.44 | derobert | RobotBebop: it's your system, go right ahead. If it breaks, you get to keep the pieces. |
| 20:40.51 | Shadur | or 3.2 |
| 20:41.05 | RobotBebop | heh |
| 20:41.08 | emcsqr | Happy New Year to Everyone! |
| 20:41.12 | emcsqr | I have a Hitachi laptop hard drive that seems to have some bad sectors. How may I recover them? |
| 20:41.23 | blackmad | there's a utility on hitachi's website |
| 20:41.26 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: I think you should rip out KDE and use a real desktop...(: |
| 20:41.39 | blackmad | they provide you with just a floppy image for use in linux, I liek to make a botoable cdr out of it |
| 20:41.42 | RobotBebop | jaimos: like KDE :P |
| 20:41.55 | RobotBebop | *i like kDE |
| 20:41.59 | Myren | derobert: i need vimtutor again. long ass time. |
| 20:42.12 | RobotBebop | but i can't get stuff to compile with it |
| 20:42.13 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: I'm sorry..(: *j/k* |
| 20:42.16 | Myren | derobert: but i'm running out of power on my laptop, and was just generally flipping my shit |
| 20:42.17 | RobotBebop | i know :P |
| 20:42.29 | emcsqr | blackmad: where's the url? how is the proccess? Is it destructive? |
| 20:42.38 | blackmad | emcsqr: gimme a sec, I'm looking for it |
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| 20:42.56 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: as I said before you may have to do a ./configure ---with-libqtdir=<dir> (use ./configure --help to see syntax) and point it at the libqt includes. |
| 20:42.58 | emcsqr | blackmad: great! |
| 20:43.07 | blackmad | emcsqr: if you think yo uhave bad sectors, I'd suggest backing up your data, running the tool, and the reformatting/reinstalling |
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| 20:43.20 | grew | does anyone know what would cause a pci video card to show up in lspci, but not be accessible? |
| 20:43.20 | RobotBebop | jaimos: i'm not trying to compile stuff with config scripts, i'm trying to get _my own source_ to compile |
| 20:43.31 | RobotBebop | jaimos: ie the KHello tutorial |
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| 20:43.55 | emcsqr | blackmad: I'll do that |
| 20:43.58 | blackmad | http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#DFT |
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| 20:44.14 | igel_ | hi..can you tell me how to use xserver at 1024 with 100 hz?? |
| 20:44.19 | jaimos_ | RobotBebop: ahh, well find the qt include/lib dirs and add them to /etc/ld.so.conf and the run ldconfig. |
| 20:44.38 | RobotBebop | ok |
| 20:44.42 | blackmad | if you have a floppy, just do "dd if=X.bin of=/dev/fd0" |
| 20:45.27 | blackmad | otherwise, just make a directory like "CD", put the bin file in there, and do "mkisofs -o this.iso -b X.bin CD", and now you have a burnable bootable iso |
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| 20:45.44 | derobert | grew: Not accessible in what way? |
| 20:46.15 | igel_ | can you tell me how to use xserver at 1024 with 100 hz? |
| 20:46.29 | Drag_smoke | co to jest angielski chat |
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| 20:46.37 | derobert | !tell igel_ about configure xf4 |
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| 20:46.42 | Drag_smoke | jest tu ktos z polski |
| 20:47.21 | Drag_smoke | POLAND |
| 20:47.32 | emcsqr | blackmad: I have to download "Linux diskette creator" at http://www.hgst.com/downloads/dftv351img.bin, haven't I? |
| 20:47.37 | derobert | Drag_smoke: this is an English chanel. |
| 20:47.42 | Drag_smoke | i am poland |
| 20:47.46 | jaimos_ | !pollish |
| 20:47.51 | Drag_smoke | tak |
| 20:47.56 | Drag_smoke | hi |
| 20:47.58 | jaimos_ | !polish |
| 20:47.59 | Drag_smoke | all |
| 20:47.59 | dpkg | it has been said that polish is something used to make things shiny, or some language with MUCH too high a consonant-to-vowel ratio. /j #debian.pl, or a really good sausage |
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| 20:48.22 | blackmad | emcsqr: yea, they're lying about it being a "creator" though ... it's just a dloppy disk image |
| 20:48.33 | Drag_smoke | i like debian :) |
| 20:48.42 | igel_ | thx..but i've typed horiz.:30-95 vert.:50-160 but it onlx works on 85hz! |
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| 20:49.13 | grew | igel_: your monitor/card may not support it |
| 20:49.32 | derobert | igel_: first question, can your monitor do 1024x768(?) @ 100Hz? |
| 20:49.43 | gunebakan_ | hi do anybody know mldonkey client? |
| 20:49.46 | blackmad | yea |
| 20:49.48 | igel_ | derobert: yes |
| 20:49.52 | gunebakan_ | is there any debian package |
| 20:49.55 | blackmad | yes |
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| 20:50.11 | blackmad | gunebakan_: apt-cache search mldonkey |
| 20:50.19 | derobert | igel_: hmmm... look at XFree86.0.log in /var/log, see if there is a 100Hz mode that it is throwing out |
| 20:50.40 | igel_ | derobert: it does...on windows (:P) I ve 100hz.. |
| 20:50.45 | Drag_smoke | what time do you have to check out of the hotel? |
| 20:50.56 | Zap-W | is the mp3 playback sound suposed to hang while there is HD activity in a p2 266mhz with 20GB Matrox 5400RPM HD with an ISA creative sb16 sound card? |
| 20:50.58 | Drag_smoke | :) |
| 20:51.05 | Zap-W | 440BX mobo |
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| 20:51.12 | greycat | Zap-W: if you aren't using DMA, possibly yes |
| 20:51.26 | Zap-W | the HD is using dma |
| 20:51.26 | gunebakan_ | blackmad: nothing happened |
| 20:51.35 | greycat | Zap-W: well then get a PCI card |
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| 20:51.43 | Zap-W | it's worse when browsing the web |
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| 20:51.59 | pierre | hi |
| 20:52.18 | Zap-W | greycat : isn't there something i can do? |
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| 20:52.19 | metalifloyd | Is there documentation somewhere that explains how to enable hotplug support (and sysfs) in debian? |
| 20:52.31 | metalifloyd | for kernel 2.6 |
| 20:52.39 | derobert | Zap-W: maybe renice -10 pid_of_mp3_player would help... |
| 20:52.48 | greycat | Zap-W: you have a crappy ISA sound card, which is your biggest problem. You also have a minimalist CPU. Raise the priority of your sound app, but you REALLY want to blow $5 on a PCI sound card. |
| 20:52.49 | derobert | Zap-W: (as root, of course) |
| 20:52.56 | Shadur | metalifloyd: apt-get install hotplug not good enough for you? |
| 20:52.56 | nvs | metalifloyd: They don't even have a 2.6 deb package yet. |
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| 20:53.05 | greycat | nvs: so? |
| 20:53.48 | igel_ | derobert: are you german? |
| 20:53.48 | nvs | greycat: If they don't have a 2.6 package yet, how can they make documentation on how to use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:53.53 | derobert | igel_: No. |
| 20:53.53 | metalifloyd | Shadur: thanks, I didn't know there was a package for it. I thought it was only a kernel module |
| 20:54.02 | Zap-W | greycat : i dont use it that much , it's just temporarly til i get a replacement for my fried athlon cpu on my main desktop pc |
| 20:54.07 | igel_ | derobert: you have a german name |
| 20:54.09 | Drag_smoke | WINDOWS TO ŒMIEÆ |
| 20:54.27 | gahan | Drag_smoke: try #debian-pl or similar |
| 20:54.56 | metalifloyd | debian packages for the 2.6 kernel can be found here... http://people.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 20:54.57 | RobotBebop | wtf |
| 20:54.58 | igel_ | derobert: how do you mean "throwing out"? |
| 20:55.06 | RobotBebop | what the hell does WINDOWS TO MIE mean ? |
| 20:55.27 | derobert | igel_: if you look at that log, it'll say its not using certain mode lines, for various reasons... |
| 20:55.29 | greycat | RobotBebop: it means "I am really stupid! Ignore me!" |
| 20:55.35 | derobert | igel_: Not sure the exact wording. |
| 20:55.36 | metalifloyd | nvs: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 20:55.53 | nvs | metalifloyd: I mean an official 2.6 package. |
| 20:55.57 | derobert | RobotBebop: that you should of already used /ignore, methinks |
| 20:56.20 | Drag_smoke | similar no i have anglish |
| 20:56.37 | metalifloyd | nvs: I beleive that is official because Herbert is the package maintainer, it just hasn't been uploaded to the archive yet |
| 20:56.41 | jaimos_ | pollish -> /join #debian.pl |
| 20:56.56 | nvs | metalifloyd: Then hurry up! ;-) |
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| 20:57.16 | RobotBebop | greycat: Yah, no shit. |
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| 20:58.11 | pierre | i need help to start rogramming |
| 20:58.11 | igel_ | derobert: don't know |
| 20:58.11 | gahan | jaimos_: just one l |
| 20:58.11 | noam | anybody here uses sid? |
| 20:58.20 | igel_ | noam: me |
| 20:58.28 | jaimos_ | gahan: hehe correct...(: well I'm not that good at enlgish either, though it is the only laguange I know...(: |
| 20:58.59 | jaimos_ | !tell noam about polls |
| 20:59.04 | Drag_smoke | there is a murderer at large in the city |
| 20:59.29 | igel_ | derobert: do u have typed a range as vertical or a exact number?? |
| 20:59.57 | derobert | igel_: a range |
| 20:59.57 | igel_ | derobert: do u use kahakai?? |
| 21:00.18 | igel_ | derobert: what did you typed; i typed 30-95 |
| 21:00.23 | Zap-W | i heard renice of -10 for X isn't recommended with kernel 2.6 |
| 21:00.33 | derobert | igel_: Don't know what kahakai is... |
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| 21:00.40 | igel_ | is anybody there who uses kahakai??????? |
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| 21:00.42 | Drag_smoke | <igel_> is rocking back and forth:) |
| 21:00.46 | jaimos_ | noam: its dpkg you'll hve to worry about...you can't hide from him! |
| 21:01.01 | igel_ | derobert: its a window manager |
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| 21:01.06 | metalifloyd | hotplug seems to be installed now but there is still no sysfs. What do I need to do to enable this? |
| 21:01.15 | igel_ | Drag_smoke: rofl |
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| 21:01.22 | Drag_smoke | no |
| 21:01.33 | igel_ | Drag_smoke: no?? |
| 21:01.33 | Zap-W | btw raising the nice level for the isa sound card didn't help |
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| 21:01.48 | spectra | eth0: mismatched read page pointers 4c <---- what does that mean? |
| 21:01.58 | |markie| | somebody uses courier-imap server? |
| 21:02.00 | igel_ | I Want to have 100hz at X86 !!!!! |
| 21:02.05 | Zap-W | |markie| : me |
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| 21:02.13 | Ryuujin | igel_: then set it..? |
| 21:02.37 | greycat | igel_: try #xfree86 |
| 21:02.38 | igel_ | Ryuujin: i dont know how |
| 21:02.39 | Drag_smoke | <igel_>i am polish drunkard:) |
| 21:02.50 | derobert | igel_: the horiz and vertrefresh statements just tell XFree86 what modelines it can use. I'm not sure if XFree86 has modelines for 100HZ, honestly... |
| 21:02.56 | Zap-W | igel_ : use GTMF modline generator ,,forgot the exact name of that |
| 21:02.56 | Oryn | anyone know what changed in apache recently in sid? aliases dont work any more |
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| 21:03.01 | Ryuujin | igel_: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) |
| 21:03.14 | jaimos_ | yep |
| 21:03.15 | |markie| | Zap-W: i have installed courier-imap; changed nothing... but from my clients a get a error, so that it can't connect.... u have a idea? |
| 21:03.22 | Drag_smoke | ale faza jest tu wy cipcioki |
| 21:03.27 | Ryuujin | derobert: it has, mine is running 120 hz now |
| 21:03.28 | tomf | I want to unmount a partition but still got some processess accessing this partition due to broken ssh connections.. |
| 21:03.36 | tomf | the processes don't respond to kill -9 |
| 21:03.42 | Drag_smoke | bin laden is gej |
| 21:03.48 | tomf | STAT field of ps aux shows: DW |
| 21:03.49 | igel_ | Ryuujin: yes i've typed vert.: 30-95hz but it doesn't wok! |
| 21:03.54 | igel_ | work |
| 21:03.54 | Zap-W | |markie| : no , it could be anything |
| 21:04.02 | tomf | anybody got an idea how to unmount this partition? |
| 21:04.06 | derobert | Ryuujin: Not sure if those are built in modes, or come from DDC. |
| 21:04.11 | Ryuujin | igel_: you have to change the lowest number.. |
| 21:04.33 | Drag_smoke | pa³ki do rêki i jebav sie do bólu |
| 21:04.38 | Ryuujin | derobert: i changed the vert rate to 120-150hz |
| 21:04.39 | bjorn_ | anyone know a convenient way to read gzipped (and maybe html) text files without having to manually unzip them first? |
| 21:04.44 | |markie| | Zap-W: do i have to give courier access to it's subnet ? |
| 21:04.50 | nvs | bjorn_: zless? |
| 21:04.51 | Drag_smoke | bêdziecie sobie mlaskaæ pyty |
| 21:05.04 | derobert | tomf: D means stuck in the kernel... |
| 21:05.10 | blackmad | bjorn_: zcat <file> | <other program> |
| 21:05.13 | Drag_smoke | i am drunkard |
| 21:05.20 | bjorn_ | awsome, thanks |
| 21:05.24 | Drag_smoke | DRUNKARD POLISH |
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| 21:05.51 | tomf | derobert: so - any other idea besides rebooting? |
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| 21:06.17 | Oryn | anyone know if there is a changelog for sid packages? |
| 21:06.22 | tomf | rebooting sucks! |
| 21:06.31 | greycat | Oryn: yes, inside the package |
| 21:06.48 | Oryn | greycat: where? |
| 21:06.56 | Ryuujin | there -> |
| 21:06.56 | greycat | Oryn: apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 21:07.25 | delire | hi deckard |
| 21:07.29 | Makro | hi |
| 21:07.35 | kermit_ | hi |
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| 21:07.56 | igel_ | Ryuujin: sorry for disconnecting |
| 21:08.01 | derobert | tomf: if you can figure out why they're stuck in kernel land, you might be able to free them. Otherwise, enjoy the reboot :-( |
| 21:08.02 | Ryuujin | oww.. |
| 21:08.04 | Makro | got debian 3.0 and a voodoo 3 2000 , what do i need for get hw acceleration |
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| 21:08.28 | derobert | tomf: were your mounts over the ssh connections? |
| 21:08.36 | igel_ | Ryuujin what did u mean with last number? |
| 21:08.38 | greycat | Makro: what did xfree86.org say? |
| 21:08.39 | Ryuujin | but i'm not going to say it! |
| 21:08.42 | igel_ | Ryuujin: what did u mean with last number? |
| 21:09.09 | Makro | greycat: checking |
| 21:09.21 | Ryuujin | igel_: you want your refreshrate (vrate) to be 100 at least, right? |
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| 21:09.43 | caphuso | Makro: CONFIG_DRM_TDFX in the kernel, the tdfx x server module and a max. resolution of 1024x768 or lower |
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| 21:10.19 | igel_ | Ryuujin: right! |
| 21:10.44 | Makro | caphuso: do i need ti install some packages ? |
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| 21:11.07 | caphuso | Makro: no |
| 21:11.24 | Makro | caphuso: ok |
| 21:11.31 | igel_ | panthera: da bist du ja wieder :) |
| 21:11.32 | Myren | how do i delete a newline in vim? |
| 21:11.37 | greycat | Myren: dd |
| 21:11.40 | greycat | Myren: /msg apt vi basics |
| 21:11.43 | Myren | not the whole line |
| 21:11.48 | greycat | Myren: oh, join two lines? J |
| 21:11.58 | derobert | Myren: ... the delete key?! |
| 21:12.05 | igel_ | man vim |
| 21:12.09 | greycat | derobert: no. |
| 21:12.28 | derobert | Myren: oh, wait, that's not the default. That's just my settings... |
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| 21:12.47 | igel_ | want my refreshrate (vrate) to be 100 at least! can anybd. help me?? |
| 21:13.00 | Myren | sorry. i really really am going to do vimtutor and rtfm soon, but i'm really really into this rant |
| 21:13.01 | igel_ | youam: hi |
| 21:13.03 | greycat | igel_: no, try #xfree86 |
| 21:13.19 | Myren | and thanks for helping something thats obvious a RTFM case |
| 21:13.55 | tomf | derobert: nope - no ssh-mounts somehow the ssh connecs broke and the processess which where running just hung-up |
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| 21:14.28 | tomf | derobert: any way to prevent this in the future? |
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| 21:14.41 | youam | igel_: we *did* give you the solution for that problem in #debian.de . stop waisting other peoples time with this. |
| 21:14.48 | Mp[3]RiPpEr | A quick question after I install Wine how do I start it? |
| 21:15.07 | sone | wine WindowsProg.exe |
| 21:15.18 | Mp3RiPpEr | Bash: wine: command not found |
| 21:15.21 | derobert | tomf: what was running on top of the ssh connection? NFS? |
| 21:15.32 | Myren | whereis bind, add bind to your $PATH |
| 21:15.32 | derobert | tomf: nfs has an "intr" option that can help with that... |
| 21:15.37 | Mp3RiPpEr | should I reinstall it since I got the WinSetup setup? |
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| 21:15.50 | Mp3RiPpEr | winesetuptk I just ran after I installed wine that is |
| 21:15.54 | igel_ | youam: it didn't work...and here are more people pehaps i'll find a solution! |
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| 21:16.08 | siks | this is starting to piss me off |
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| 21:16.16 | siks | finding packages without apt and packages.debian.org is a pain |
| 21:16.17 | youam | *sigh* did you even try it? |
| 21:16.23 | tomf | derobert: nope - just plain ssh. I started screen and on a different connection aptitude - and now they're hanging and hanging.. |
| 21:16.26 | derobert | siks: what's wrong with apt? |
| 21:16.29 | dobby | does alsa work with debian stable ? |
| 21:16.47 | Mp3RiPpEr | whats the command to remove a file without Asking Do you want to remove? flag that is |
| 21:16.49 | derobert | tomf: how are you mounting over plain ssh? I must be misunderstanding... |
| 21:16.50 | siks | derobert, segfaults |
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| 21:17.09 | asdsaf | hmm is my box insecure cause i got rooted late last night maybe its the kernal??? |
| 21:17.12 | Mp3RiPpEr | neva mind Found it |
| 21:17.12 | derobert | tomf: I bet if you look in dmesg, you'll see tons of panics |
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| 21:17.33 | derobert | siks: is this the apt from expirimental? |
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| 21:17.48 | derobert | asdsaf: if you got rooted, yes your box is insecure! |
| 21:17.57 | dobby | does someone know if alsa and dri works in woody? |
| 21:17.58 | Spider210 | which kernal should i be using |
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| 21:18.08 | Spider210 | i had my host update it like 3 days ago |
| 21:18.11 | siks | derobert, apt from sid (dist-upgrade couple hours ago) |
| 21:18.19 | siks | derobert, woody before that dist-upgrade |
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| 21:18.34 | phako | hi |
| 21:18.45 | Mp3RiPpEr | im having a problem again Dont ask my how but I forgot the TAR commadn to extract a GZ file |
| 21:18.46 | siks | apt 0.6.8 |
| 21:18.47 | | 0.6 |
| 21:18.47 | derobert | siks: have you tried rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin ? |
| 21:18.57 | siks | no |
| 21:19.02 | derobert | siks: 0.6.8 is from experimental, last I heard... |
| 21:19.11 | Spider210 | when i do apt-get upgrade i also getting problems |
| 21:19.13 | Mp3RiPpEr | whats the command to extract a TAR.GZ file ? flags I mean |
| 21:19.16 | Spider210 | it gives |
| 21:19.19 | LoRez | xzf |
| 21:19.22 | Mp3RiPpEr | thanks |
| 21:19.28 | derobert | Mp3RiPpEr: man tar |
| 21:19.34 | Spider210 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/glibc-doc.postinst: line 19: 17225 Segmentation fault install-info --quiet --section "GNU C library functions" "GNU C library functions" /usr/share/info/libc-dir-add.info |
| 21:19.42 | Mp3RiPpEr | I know the TAR command lol |
| 21:19.47 | Mp3RiPpEr | Just needed the flags |
| 21:19.48 | phogg | How do I turn debugging completely off for shfs? |
| 21:19.50 | Mp3RiPpEr | I had forgot them :P |
| 21:19.52 | Spider210 | that stuff when i try to apt-get upgrade |
| 21:19.54 | greycat | Mp3RiPpEr: /msg apt tar |
| 21:19.59 | derobert | Mp3RiPpEr: and man would of told them to you. |
| 21:20.13 | tomf | derobert: yep - looks like a misunderstanding - I've been mounting just normal - besides that I'm using lvm - now I want to resize /home and for that I want to unmount the partition |
| 21:20.17 | siks | derobert, hm i removed those and now it seems to work but complains about being unable to parse a package file |
| 21:20.20 | siks | derobert, progress :) |
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| 21:20.24 | Mp3RiPpEr | sorry didnt know that |
| 21:20.26 | Mp3RiPpEr | im new to the chan |
| 21:20.26 | siks | (segfault is worse than this at any level) |
| 21:20.34 | derobert | siks: What version of apt do you have? |
| 21:20.38 | tomf | derobert: and you are right - found some oops in dmesg |
| 21:20.53 | tomf | derobert: which REALLY doesn't look nice.. |
| 21:20.59 | siks | derobert, dpkg -p apt: version: 0.6.8 |
| 21:21.00 | dobby | what do i need to have in my kernel for alsa? |
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| 21:21.12 | phogg | I've tried setting DEBUG_LEVEL to 0 in the shfs makefile, but that seems to have no effect. |
| 21:21.12 | tomf | derobert: haven't upgraded my kernel yet.. |
| 21:21.13 | Mp3RiPpEr | would it be a good idea to Run WINESETUPTK before running the installation for wine itself? |
| 21:21.25 | derobert | siks: You are using apt from eperimental. Re-install apt 0.5.17, or grab the newer experimental apt. |
| 21:21.31 | siks | derobert, oh i know why it looks weird. i upgraded it manually after it started segfaulting when i thought it was broken |
| 21:21.33 | derobert | siks: that version of apt is very broken. |
| 21:21.37 | siks | derobert, ok :) |
| 21:21.57 | siks | so 0.5.17 is the "correct" one for sid? |
| 21:22.10 | derobert | siks: yes |
| 21:22.20 | derobert | siks: don't install from experimental without good reason. |
| 21:22.35 | siks | yeah i wouldn't normally, i just picked the newest one and tried it after it started segfaulting |
| 21:22.42 | siks | what causes those segfaults when those .bin files exist? |
| 21:22.58 | derobert | siks: that apt is borked. |
| 21:23.12 | derobert | siks: read the thread on -devel for details |
| 21:23.38 | siks | well that segfault appeared just after dist-upgrade, and wasn't caused by the expirimental staff (experimental here meaning 0.6.8) |
| 21:23.47 | siks | anyway it seems to work now after downgrading, thanks a lot |
| 21:24.11 | derobert | siks: now you probably want to make sure you're actually running sid... |
| 21:24.17 | siks | yeah i'm just about to dist-upgrade |
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| 21:24.25 | derobert | ... check to make sure you don't have any more experimental packages installed |
| 21:24.33 | Spider210 | can someone help me with my apt-get upgrade |
| 21:24.47 | derobert | Spider210: can try... your postinst was segfaulting? |
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| 21:24.53 | jetscreamer | what font is this? ?? ? |
| 21:25.23 | Spider210 | i keep getting /var/lib/dpkg/info/glibc-doc.postinst: line 19: 17225 Segmentation fault install-info --quiet --section "GNU C library functions" "GNU C library functions" /usr/share/info/libc-dir-add.info |
| 21:25.24 | derobert | jetscreamer: font? |
| 21:25.27 | siks | i didn't really suspect it was caused by apt because changing apt version didn't help, thought it was some library |
| 21:25.31 | jetscreamer | ?? ? |
| 21:25.33 | jetscreamer | font |
| 21:25.43 | jetscreamer | japanese? |
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| 21:25.59 | derobert | jetscreamer: all I'm seeing is question marks |
| 21:26.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:26.11 | jetscreamer | i see boxes with numbers in em |
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| 21:26.51 | derobert | Spider210: ummm, what did you do to get to that point? |
| 21:26.56 | jetscreamer | after the name osamu here http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
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| 21:27.08 | jetscreamer | in the parenthesis |
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| 21:27.55 | Spider210 | apt-get updgrade |
| 21:28.06 | derobert | jetscreamer: yeah, I think that's Japanese. I can send you a screen shot from my Mac which is rendering it, if you'd like |
| 21:28.10 | Spider210 | dero check your pm |
| 21:28.26 | jetscreamer | i'll load a japanese font |
| 21:28.29 | jetscreamer | err install |
| 21:28.59 | derobert | jetscreamer: actually, considering that languages the document is avail in, maybe it's chinese |
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| 21:29.37 | derobert | Spider210: what are you running? sid? |
| 21:29.51 | Spider210 | how do i check |
| 21:29.55 | Mp3RiPpEr | After I run WINESETUPTK should I run the wine-20031212 ./configure file? |
| 21:29.57 | Spider210 | i am new to this |
| 21:30.33 | derobert | Spider210: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:30.45 | colde89 | scanimmage did not start (segmentionfault) any idaa ?? |
| 21:30.50 | Spider210 | hmm it says "testing/unstable |
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| 21:31.28 | ricII | what would be the best (transparent/redundant) way to configure 2 extra nic's for dedicated (and more secure) host to host comminucation? |
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| 21:31.43 | derobert | Spider210: now check /etc/apt/sources.list, do they say unstable, testing, sarge, or sid? |
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| 21:31.55 | derobert | Spider210: (look for the "deb" lines) |
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| 21:32.16 | bmoore | In testing, I see that perl-base has changed to 5.8.2 This is causing libapache-mod-perl to segfault. Anybody else seeing this? |
| 21:32.53 | Spider210 | derobert: most say unstable |
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| 21:33.07 | derobert | Spider210: so you're probably running unstable. |
| 21:33.20 | Spider210 | ok |
| 21:33.37 | derobert | Spider210: which means it could just be broken... Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 21:33.48 | Spider210 | how would i do that |
| 21:34.13 | Mp3RiPpEr | can someone answer my question please? |
| 21:34.14 | Mp3RiPpEr | After I run WINESETUPTK should I run the wine-20031212 ./configure file? |
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| 21:34.30 | derobert | Spider210: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=glibc-doc |
| 21:34.41 | derobert | Spider210: look at bug 221215 in particular |
| 21:34.51 | kalve | i consider stop logging this channel. |
| 21:34.52 | dobby | does someone knows a very good source on howto install DRI in debian stable ? |
| 21:34.56 | kalve | 1.1M yesterday. |
| 21:34.57 | kalve | :p |
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| 21:35.04 | Mp3RiPpEr | lol |
| 21:35.10 | Mp3RiPpEr | thats a pretty big log |
| 21:35.25 | waltman | anyone else having problems with apache-perl in testing? |
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| 21:35.41 | kalve | 12339 lines |
| 21:35.48 | ricII | sould I fiddle with route (posibly routed) or arp,iptables,whatever |
| 21:35.50 | Mp3RiPpEr | LMFAO |
| 21:35.55 | Mp3RiPpEr | thats to many lines if you ask me |
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| 21:36.13 | waltman | it's segfaulting as soon as i start it. i haven't changed the config, so some recently installed package must have broken it. |
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| 21:36.57 | Mp3RiPpEr | i was having a segfault in wine also |
| 21:37.01 | derobert | ricII: route |
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| 21:37.27 | derobert | ricII: actually, once you configure them, it's likely you won't need to fiddle with it. |
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| 21:37.46 | bmoore | waltman: I'm getting segfaults with apaching loading mod-perl |
| 21:37.56 | waltman | right. |
| 21:38.03 | ChanGux | anyone can help me? |
| 21:38.12 | waltman | bmoore: do you know when it started? |
| 21:38.15 | Steven_ | ricII : do you mean 4 nics in total, 2 of them on the same segment, and 2 of them with a crosscable ? |
| 21:38.34 | bmoore | waltman: It started when I ran updates today |
| 21:38.43 | Xenguy | ChanGux: ask and see |
| 21:38.49 | ricII | Steven_. exacly. |
| 21:38.49 | bmoore | perl-base got changed to 5.8.2, which I think is the problem |
| 21:39.06 | Steven_ | ricII : like derobert said: route |
| 21:39.20 | Steven_ | ricII : however, use netmask /32 for the crosscable nics |
| 21:39.39 | waltman | i saw that one of my mod_perl modules was getting an error, and that it was looking in 5.8.0 instead of 5.8.2. i tried restarting apache-perl, but now it's segfaulting immediately. |
| 21:39.43 | ricII | but how would the host know to use this path instead? |
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| 21:39.58 | Steven_ | ricII : because of route |
| 21:40.06 | derobert | ricII: route |
| 21:40.11 | Mp3RiPpEr | what should I do if WINE segfaults whenever I start it? |
| 21:40.19 | bmoore | waltman: Same basic thing here. When I run GDB on the core file, it's segfaulting in mod_perl.so |
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| 21:40.35 | waltman | hmm |
| 21:40.43 | Gathond | Mp3RiPpEr: run it through some debugger and try to find where it crashes |
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| 21:40.48 | Mp3RiPpEr | k |
| 21:40.54 | Mp3RiPpEr | I went ahead and reinstalled it though first |
| 21:40.58 | initech | Mp3RiPpEr: or perhaps strace it |
| 21:41.01 | derobert | waltman, bmoore: May be irrelevant, but I seem to remember that 5.8.x of perl has had some ABI problems. |
| 21:41.05 | Mp3RiPpEr | one moment |
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| 21:41.10 | Mp3RiPpEr | Ill be back when it finishes installing |
| 21:41.16 | bubblemyster | hey |
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| 21:41.40 | bubblemyster | does anyone know how to get the video driver working for a toshiba satellite 1415-s173 |
| 21:41.43 | bmoore | derobert: any clue why 5.8.2 would make it out of unstable then? |
| 21:41.45 | bubblemyster | using debian |
| 21:41.48 | bubblemyster | or install one |
| 21:42.01 | derobert | bmoore: I think 5.8.2 was supposed to fix it. |
| 21:42.04 | jelque | can you put 4 ide hard drives in one PC? |
| 21:42.05 | ChanGux | i install debian woody, set the gdm and gnome 1.4 in the X, all is good, but after i loggon in gnome and I leave all quiet one me by minutes,returns to gdm, it does autologout to me, and not like deactivating it, I have proven in several debian woody and with the configuration default always it happens equal, as I deactivate this autologout? |
| 21:42.10 | Spider210 | derobert: is there a fix or something for this?? i can't see anything on this about it |
| 21:42.19 | derobert | bmoore: But this is from memory of rumors, you may want to check the BTS for perl or debian-perl |
| 21:42.25 | greycat | jelque: depends on the PC. |
| 21:42.32 | derobert | Spider210: install the newer version of dpkg |
| 21:42.39 | ricII | hmm, so like eth1 10.0.0.1; route add -host other.hosts.ip. gw 10.0.0.1, and maybe turn ipforwarding on? |
| 21:42.45 | Spider210 | which command is that? |
| 21:43.06 | Steven_ | ricII : nono, no gatewaying |
| 21:43.10 | Spider210 | apt-get install dpkg ??? |
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| 21:43.18 | jelque | greycat: what should I look for that would tell me it will? or just throw them all in and see :) |
| 21:43.41 | derobert | ricII: no gw, use "dev eth1" |
| 21:43.51 | derobert | Spider210: apt-get install dpkg ? |
| 21:43.58 | Spider210 | is that right? |
| 21:44.01 | fpmc | I'm terribly confused. I tried editing "/etc/profile" to edit my bash profile, which according to the man pages is the "system wide profile". However, the path doesn't seem to be set in KDE. Is there another profile file for KDE? |
| 21:44.01 | ChanGux | i install debian woody, set the gdm and gnome 1.4 in the X, all is good, but after i loggon in gnome and I leave all quiet one me by minutes,returns to gdm, it does autologout to me, and not like deactivating it, I have proven in several debian woody and with the configuration default always it happens equal, as I deactivate this autologout? |
| 21:44.02 | derobert | Spider210: yeah |
| 21:44.05 | Spider210 | k |
| 21:44.13 | Steven_ | ricII : on host1: ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.255; route add 10.0.0.70 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth1 |
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| 21:44.26 | Steven_ | ricII : on host2: ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.70 netmask 255.255.255.255; route add 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth1 |
| 21:44.57 | ChanGux | fpmc the bash shell already have files to define path, .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 21:45.23 | fpmc | ChanGux: I know about those, but I want to edit a system-wide profile that affects all users |
| 21:45.39 | Spider210 | derobert: how come now when I do 'apt-get update' ann then 'apt-get upgrade' it says: The following packages have been kept back |
| 21:45.46 | Steven_ | derobert : exactly :) |
| 21:45.47 | Spider210 | and givevs a huge list |
| 21:45.49 | fpmc | ChanGux: important because I want java and acroread automatically set in path for all users |
| 21:46.05 | derobert | Spider210: try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 21:46.07 | renholder | I used /dev/input/mice for running gpm, but my mouse cursor seems a bit, like, choppy - any ideas? |
| 21:46.09 | Spider210 | k |
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| 21:46.31 | ChanGux | fpmc, then /etc/profile |
| 21:46.33 | Spider210 | derobert: seems to be working |
| 21:46.51 | fpmc | ChanGux: like I said, I did edit /etc/profile, but it only works for console log-in, and not for KDE... |
| 21:46.56 | bubblemyster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.16 | waltman | bmoore: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=225287 |
| 21:47.49 | ChanGux | fpmc, make symbolic links from /bin to acroread binary |
| 21:48.03 | bmoore | waltman: thanks |
| 21:48.16 | Steven_ | question: I took a dump of dpkg -l before and after I removed and reinstalled apache with all it's related packages. When I checked the dumps, it seemed that alot of packages had been upgraded with the reinstall. why is that ? apt-get upgrade didn't upgrade them before I reinstalled apache... is this because of the "packages being kept back" thing ? |
| 21:48.17 | ricII | Steven_, but how would traffic from host1 aimed at external iphost2 folow the new route? |
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| 21:48.30 | waltman | bmoore: also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224049 |
| 21:48.42 | fpmc | ChanGux: thanks for the suggestion. Is there a method for editing the path for all users using KDE though, do you know? |
| 21:48.59 | Steven_ | ricII : how do you mean ? you want to route traffic from host1 through host2 to the real world, and vice versa ? |
| 21:49.34 | ChanGux | no fpmc, i ever change the /etc/profile and works in all X programs |
| 21:49.36 | Spider210 | derobert: now its going through some setup , should it do that?? |
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| 21:49.49 | bmoore | waltman: I apt-get source libapache-mod-perl and built it. Apache is working now. |
| 21:50.14 | fpmc | ChanGux: ahh ok thank you. For some reason changing /etc/profile doesn't work for me!! Like when I run XTerm in KDE, the PATH is not set right |
| 21:50.26 | derobert | Spider210: yes, you should proceed as normal |
| 21:50.35 | ricII | Steven_,no I have 2 public servers, but I would be nice if they use the crosscable for internal comminucation (host1<=>host2) without change all config files |
| 21:50.40 | Mp3RiPpEr | I found my problem |
| 21:50.48 | derobert | Spider210: btw, I'll be away for 10-15 |
| 21:50.53 | Mp3RiPpEr | xlibs-dev was not correctly installed |
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| 21:51.05 | Steven_ | ricII : if you setup the right route between them, they will automatically use it |
| 21:51.08 | Mp3RiPpEr | brb running upgrade |
| 21:51.12 | bubblemyster | can someone help me |
| 21:51.45 | ChanGux | fpmc the /etc/profile changes only works after logout all users and loggin again.....you already did it? |
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| 21:51.54 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : maybe try www.linux-laptops.net or sth |
| 21:51.59 | fpmc | ChanGux: yes, even restarted computer |
| 21:51.59 | waltman | bmoore: oh, cool. how do you build it from source? |
| 21:52.01 | alem | how do i run qpopper ? |
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| 21:52.26 | ChanGux | mmmm very stranger |
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| 21:52.44 | bmoore | waltman: Once you get it downloaded (the apt-get source pkg) go to that directory and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:52.45 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : www.linux-laptop.net |
| 21:52.58 | bmoore | waltman: I had to pass '-d' to it to ignore some dependencies |
| 21:53.07 | ChanGux | i install debian woody, set the gdm and gnome 1.4 in the X, all is good, but after i loggon in gnome and I leave all quiet one me by minutes,returns to gdm, it does autologout to me, and not like deactivating it, I have proven in several debian woody and with the configuration default always it happens equal, as I deactivate this autologout? |
| 21:53.16 | bubblemyster | what do i do from there steven_ |
| 21:53.27 | ricII | but a lot of things are configed with static ips, traffix leaving host1 for host2 will have it's host2 external ip as dest, this must somehow be redirected to trough the crossover nic not? |
| 21:53.31 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : read and follow instructions :) |
| 21:53.52 | Spider210 | derobert: Its asking "continue installibng libc without maildir support?" what should i pick??? |
| 21:53.54 | bubblemyster | it took me to a flag store |
| 21:54.05 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : with the "s" |
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| 21:54.12 | bubblemyster | ??? |
| 21:54.17 | Spider210 | derobert: Its asking "continue installing libc-client without maildir support?" what should i pick??? *** |
| 21:54.17 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html |
| 21:54.23 | waltman | bmoore: ok... |
| 21:54.31 | Steven_ | ricII : you don't need to config the IP's |
| 21:54.36 | Steven_ | ricII : just the route |
| 21:54.37 | bubblemyster | ahh |
| 21:54.38 | bubblemyster | ok |
| 21:54.39 | JoePenguin | happy gnu year everybody |
| 21:54.40 | bubblemyster | thanx |
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| 21:54.45 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : np |
| 21:54.51 | ChanGux | i install debian woody, set the gdm and gnome 1.4 in the X, all is good, but after i loggon in gnome and I leave all quiet one me by minutes,returns to gdm, it does autologout to me, and not like deactivating it, I have proven in several debian woody and with the configuration default always it happens equal, as I deactivate this autologout? |
| 21:54.58 | pierre | Thanks |
| 21:55.05 | ChanGux | ok, well....i am going... |
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| 21:55.08 | ricII | Steven_, aha, just a route, I didn't know that |
| 21:55.15 | Steven_ | ricII : suppose your first server has IP 1.1.1.1 for the crosscable nic and 2.2.2.2 for the other server |
| 21:55.17 | alem | how do i run qpopper in debian ? |
| 21:55.24 | slashdot | Is there a text-only version of emacs on debian, which don |
| 21:55.26 | waltman | bmoore: i'm still getting an error. do i need something after the -d? |
| 21:55.29 | slashdot | 't require x libs? |
| 21:55.44 | Steven_ | ricII : you can then do on server1: route add 2.2.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth1 |
| 21:55.55 | Steven_ | ricII : and on server2: route add 1.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 eth1 |
| 21:56.05 | Steven_ | ricII : assuming they both use eth1 for the crosscable |
| 21:56.07 | Spider210 | derobert: Its asking "continue installing libc-client without maildir support?" what should i pick??? *** |
| 21:56.08 | bmoore | waltman: did you install the .deb that it created? |
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| 21:56.46 | ricII | Steven_, not configuring the crossover nic's at all |
| 21:57.14 | cassiopea | I'm having some trouble, I need the kernel 2.4.23 patch, but according to apt-cache, it doesn't exist, I do, however have the stock 2.4.23 source, can I just use that instead? |
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| 21:57.26 | waltman | bmoore: it didn't create any. is the syntax just "dpkg-buildpackage -d" |
| 21:57.32 | slashdot | cassiopea: yes, you can |
| 21:57.41 | cassiopea | slashdot: Is it safe? |
| 21:57.51 | cassiopea | slashdot: Do I need to apply a patch or summing? |
| 21:58.08 | slashdot | cassiopea: If I am right, debian uses Linus clean kernel, not a patched one like mandrake and so |
| 21:58.11 | bmoore | waltman: yes, but you need to be in the directory that got created from your apt-get run |
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| 21:58.26 | cassiopea | slashdot: Can I salvage part of my 2.4.22 configuration? |
| 21:59.12 | slashdot | cassiopea: yes, copy .config from 2.4.22, and in 2.4.23 make oldconfig |
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| 21:59.20 | Spider210 | derobert: Its asking "continue installing libc-client without maildir support?" what should i pick??? *** |
| 21:59.27 | slashdot | cassiopea: then it will only ask for questions that are new in 2.4.23 |
| 21:59.44 | slashdot | cassiopea: also consider going for 2.6.0 if not on a server in production |
| 22:00.12 | Spider210 | how do i see which kernal i am currently running |
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| 22:00.55 | waltman | bmoore: looks like i need apache-dev |
| 22:01.04 | cassiopea | slashdot: I tried 2.6.0 on my gentoo installation, it seemed a little unstable |
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| 22:01.30 | slashdot | cassiopea: hmm. not here, got uptime at ~10 days, but power went :( |
| 22:01.54 | bztunk | Mp3RiPpEr[AwAy]: OMG BAND |
| 22:02.03 | bmoore | waltman: most likely. There may be other packages you need as well. Just install them as normal. |
| 22:02.27 | waltman | right, thanks. |
| 22:02.28 | bztunk | omg |
| 22:02.37 | bztunk | Mp3RiPpEr[AwAy] is using XBOX mirc |
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| 22:03.16 | Mp3RiPpEr[AwAy] | oh good lord |
| 22:03.27 | Mp3RiPpEr | why does that shit keep turning on |
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| 22:04.04 | mojo | is there anything that needs to be upgraded for debian to work with 2.6.0? |
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| 22:04.31 | brc007 | anybody know of a website that has nice (somewhat unified design) CD labels for most of the major linux distros? |
| 22:04.33 | bztunk | ~2.6 |
| 22:04.39 | | 2.6.0-test is there. Read Documentation/Changes. The announcement is at http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/13/259/index.html. Don't whine if your system breaks. Read http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, or and read http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html DON'T MAKE ME HURT YOU. a piece of M$ dogshit!, or Will be used and complained about by idiots. Unless you're a kernel developer, DON'T USE IT until 2.6.5 |
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| 22:04.59 | bubblemyster | i need help setting up the video driver for a toshiba satellite 1415-s173 on debian |
| 22:05.12 | bubblemyster | i went to the website that steven_ |
| 22:05.14 | bubblemyster | sent to me |
| 22:05.18 | bubblemyster | but no help |
| 22:05.26 | cassiopea | thanx, slashdot |
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| 22:07.45 | docelic | please look up for me which package contains amsmath.sty , packages.d.o is down and I cant use apt-file right now.. |
| 22:07.51 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : http://www.auburn.edu/~newalaa/toshiba/Linux_on_Laptop.php |
| 22:08.07 | Steven_ | bubblemyster : don't stop at your first attempt :) keep searching! |
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| 22:09.48 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | help! |
| 22:09.54 | no_maam_ | Jonzl: don't do that |
| 22:09.57 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | lol |
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| 22:10.04 | madness | Jonzl: FOAD. |
| 22:10.07 | Spider210 | How do I get the services for cPanel started? |
| 22:10.10 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | ummm |
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| 22:10.18 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | im having an issue w/ xfree86 |
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| 22:11.12 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | it is throwing a fatal error 104 |
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| 22:11.20 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i just got debian installed |
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| 22:12.00 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | jesus, out of 659 ppl, no one here is saying anything |
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| 22:12.14 | Spider210 | hmm |
| 22:12.20 | Spider210 | should have been here 10 min ago |
| 22:12.21 | Mp3RiPpEr | im having a small problem installing packages |
| 22:12.23 | Spider210 | totally diff |
| 22:12.23 | Spider210 | lol |
| 22:12.24 | Steven_ | what is error 104 ? |
| 22:12.36 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | it also says |
| 22:12.40 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | fatal server error: |
| 22:12.43 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | no screens found |
| 22:12.48 | Mp3RiPpEr | It says to me xlibs-dev: depends: xlibs (= 4.10-16woody1) but 4.2.0-0pre1v3 is to be installed |
| 22:12.49 | Mp3RiPpEr | whats that mean? |
| 22:12.52 | Steven_ | it's a config file problem ;) |
| 22:13.03 | konrad_ | Hey, where can I find a good VMWare tutorial that tells how to run windows apps on linux? thx! |
| 22:13.11 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i went through xf86config |
| 22:13.20 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | with correct monitor stats and stuff |
| 22:13.24 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | still throws me that error |
| 22:13.37 | Steven_ | probably need to check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:13.52 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | number two, how do i open config files? |
| 22:14.01 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i'm a tad above linux n00b |
| 22:14.08 | Gathond | konrad_: VMware runs a copy of windows inside it, no different from running windows apps on windows ... except that you boot windows as an application |
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| 22:15.10 | Mp3RiPpEr | It says to me xlibs-dev: depends: xlibs (= 4.10-16woody1) but 4.2.0-0pre1v3 is to be installed What do I do about this someone please a answer? |
| 22:15.43 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | c'mon ppl |
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| 22:15.57 | konrad_ | Gathond: I know... But where can I find a good tutorial about it? Telling basic stuff like installing and configuring? |
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| 22:16.05 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | hello... |
| 22:16.23 | bmoore | Stripes: Use your favorite editor: emacs or vim, etc. |
| 22:16.25 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | XF86 prob... |
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| 22:17.13 | bmoore | Stripes: Sorry, that was directed at ]TRI |
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| 22:17.25 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | umm |
| 22:17.45 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i can't lauch xfree, and someone said it is a config problem, how the fuck do i open config files |
| 22:17.46 | Gathond | konrad_: vmware should have a manual i think ... at that price it better |
| 22:17.47 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | a command plz |
| 22:17.57 | Spider210 | Why does none of my services start at boot??? |
| 22:18.07 | Gathond | ]TRI[EventHorizo: using an editor, any editor |
| 22:18.17 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i know of no command line ones |
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| 22:18.36 | Gathond | ]TRI[EventHorizo: vim, emacs,vi, nano, ed, pico to name some |
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| 22:18.58 | bmoore | waltman: Did that work for you? |
| 22:20.14 | mutek | ]TRI[EventHorizo: I'd suggest that if you've used neither vi nor emacs before, this would not be the time to learn - pico or nano would perhaps suit you better... |
| 22:20.34 | konrad_ | Gathond: Ok, I will look at the manual, thanks |
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| 22:20.59 | darden | hi |
| 22:21.04 | heisenbug | is this the place to ask for hardware-debian-related things? |
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| 22:21.28 | mutek | heisenbug: it's on topic, for sure. |
| 22:21.46 | Spider210 | Why does none of my services start at boot??? |
| 22:22.04 | Spider210 | Or how do I set services to start at boot |
| 22:22.07 | LoRez | Spider210: cuz you broke it |
| 22:22.11 | mutek | Spider210: Can you be a bit more specific, please? |
| 22:22.18 | heisenbug | My Debain server needs more disks, and I wonder if IDe disks will do for streamng avi files to more than 2 ppl at the same time |
| 22:22.20 | Xenguy | Spider210: rcconf |
| 22:22.22 | Spider210 | like I had cpanel installed |
| 22:22.23 | mutek | Spider210: What do you want to happen? |
| 22:22.26 | oskie | ESR is a weapon fanatic? Now I don't like him. |
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| 22:22.35 | Spider210 | I want cpanel and all of its services to start |
| 22:22.37 | Spider210 | at boot |
| 22:22.38 | Xenguy | oskie: he likes guns |
| 22:22.42 | bmoore | heisenbug: As long as you have enough memory, sure. |
| 22:22.59 | bmoore | heisenbug: Linux uses file caches |
| 22:23.12 | heisenbug | ok |
| 22:23.31 | oskie | Xenguy: is he living in the US? then I might understand |
| 22:23.35 | bmoore | heisenbug: Also, SCSI isn't that much better than IDE these days |
| 22:23.39 | heisenbug | will 512 MB do? |
| 22:23.40 | Gathond | heisenbug: the probably would, .avi's dont really take that much 1.5 Mb/s or some such |
| 22:23.46 | mutek | Spider210: cpanel is the web-interface for management thingy? |
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| 22:23.52 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | ok, looks like i can get some help here... |
| 22:23.52 | Spider210 | yes |
| 22:23.53 | Xenguy | oskie: US, yes |
| 22:24.11 | bmoore | heisenbug: I'd assume so |
| 22:24.17 | Spider210 | mutek: What do I have to do? |
| 22:24.19 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | X Server is giving me an error 104 each time i attempt to lauch it |
| 22:24.29 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | it also says fatal error: no screens found |
| 22:24.31 | phogg | How do I get the full hostname from the output of last if it's been truncated? |
| 22:25.12 | sandman | Anyone have issues getting a PS2 device to malfunction in X11 4.2.1.1? |
| 22:25.13 | Gathond | ]TRI[EventHorizo: could you please state the error message, im not really familiar with X error numbers |
| 22:25.17 | bmoore | phogg: try: last -a | less and use arrow keys |
| 22:25.20 | heisenbug | But since I need a new controller for the disks, should I go for S-ATA? |
| 22:25.20 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | did |
| 22:25.27 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | Fatal Error: no screens found |
| 22:25.33 | phogg | bmoore: many thanks. |
| 22:25.37 | ljlane | those bots have factiods for no screens found |
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| 22:26.04 | mutek | Spider210: I'm not sure whether you mean cpanel the chinese interface or cpanel the web interface. Anyway, if you want a daemon started at startup, look in /etc/init.d/ and use skeleton to make a new file. Then you use update-rc.d |
| 22:26.05 | michal | apt, search dom4j.jar |
| 22:26.10 | | i don't know, michal |
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| 22:26.20 | De_Mon | where does bash store cmdline history of the running shell? |
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| 22:26.30 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | hello? |
| 22:26.31 | michal | anyone know which package dom4j.jar would be in? |
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| 22:26.34 | pixelmonkey | anyone know about a trace/breakpoint trap when running glxinfo/glxgears using the ATI proprietary drivers? |
| 22:26.40 | De_Mon | .bash_history only appears to be updated after exiting |
| 22:26.43 | bztunk | ~search dom4j.jar |
| 22:26.49 | bztunk | ~fin dom4j.jar |
| 22:26.50 | bono | Question: im trying to install kde. Ive got ftp.us.debian.org in my apt sources.list file, but there are a bunch of packages mnissing, starting with kdelibs3. Im on debian testing. Anyone? |
| 22:26.50 | bmoore | heisenbug: Sure, if you can afford it... Never hurts to have lots of power. I don't know all that much about it though. |
| 22:26.51 | bztunk | ~find dom4j.jar |
| 22:27.01 | phogg | De_Mon: in RAM, I would guess. |
| 22:27.07 | mutek | Spider210: man update-rc.d will give you a bit more info. The debian manuals - I think the policy manual - tell you more about the bootup process. |
| 22:27.08 | pme | De_Mon: Correct. It's not stored in a file, only in memory. |
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| 22:27.22 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | c'mon |
| 22:27.38 | De_Mon | any way to access it through proc or something? |
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| 22:27.45 | De_Mon | *easily* :) |
| 22:27.49 | michal | hmm.. so no packages in debian have dom4j.jar ? :/ |
| 22:27.56 | pro | how do i get around this.... Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:27.57 | pro | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 22:27.58 | pro | couldn't connect to display ":0.0" |
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| 22:28.08 | pme | De_Mon: "history > file" :-) |
| 22:28.11 | bmoore | De_Mon: does the 'history' command not help? |
| 22:28.12 | mutek | ]TRI[EventHorizo: You need to look at the x error log in more detail to see *why* there were no screens found. |
| 22:28.29 | Xenguy | pme: hehe - good answer |
| 22:28.32 | De_Mon | bah! damn me and my bad questions :P |
| 22:28.40 | De_Mon | let me try again |
| 22:28.45 | heisenbug | bmoore: thanks, just what I needed to know |
| 22:28.56 | mutek | Spider210: man init is also worth a read. |
| 22:29.05 | pro | anyone? i did try xhost +localhost but nothing |
| 22:29.12 | De_Mon | how can i see the cmdline history of the running shell? <-- better? |
| 22:29.27 | ljlane | pro, what are you doing? |
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| 22:29.31 | mutek | pro: if you /really/ want to be insecure, try xhost + |
| 22:29.33 | pme | De_Mon: "history | less" :-) |
| 22:29.56 | Gathond | ]TRI[EventHorizo: look further up for lines starting with EE or WW |
| 22:30.05 | De_Mon | i hate that, nearly every question on a utility i've ever asked... the answer was in the question |
| 22:30.19 | pro | mutek thanks, but i dont know about that |
| 22:30.21 | bono | Question: im trying to install kde. Ive got ftp.us.debian.org in my apt sources.list file, but there are a bunch of packages mnissing, starting with kdelibs3. Im on debian testing. Anyone has an idea? |
| 22:30.28 | ljlane | De_Mon, fc is also useful. Try "help fc". |
| 22:30.30 | pro | if im really desperate ill do it |
| 22:30.31 | De_Mon | i need to just type my questions at the shell and seeing if I get any winning words |
| 22:30.34 | bmoore | De_Mon: That's why *nix rules. It's almost too intuitive |
| 22:30.35 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | Bad V_BIOS Checksum |
| 22:30.40 | pme | De_Mon: Try this approach instead: tell us what you're really trying to accomplish. And /msg apt smart-questions |
| 22:30.44 | Mave | bono: #debian-kde |
| 22:30.45 | mutek | pro: You could ssh -X localhost instead? |
| 22:30.46 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | No Matching Modes |
| 22:30.55 | bono | Mave: thanks |
| 22:31.16 | De_Mon | pme yeah, i read through smart-questions once a month, still hasnt sunk in |
| 22:31.16 | pro | mutek thats a good one, i'll try that |
| 22:31.18 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 22:31.19 | pro | thanks |
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| 22:31.24 | De_Mon | ljlane will do, thx |
| 22:31.45 | Mave | tiger gives "possible LKM trojan installed". is it safe to ignore ? |
| 22:32.13 | Xenguy | Mave: have you tried chkrootkit for a 2nd opinion? |
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| 22:32.32 | Mave | Xenguy: yes it doesn't find anything |
| 22:32.35 | mrwoody | does anyone know what this is: Setting up kdm (3.1.4-1) ... |
| 22:32.35 | mrwoody | dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): |
| 22:32.36 | dpkg | mrwoody: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:32.36 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.49 | Gathond | ]TRI[EventHorizo: you might have the refresh rates for the monitor set too low, so it cant find a mode (refresh + resolution) that sadifies that and your demands for resolution |
| 22:33.56 | Orhad | i have a second hd that was used in windows before, so its ntfs, its hdb1 right now, how can i format it and use it in debian (maybe as ext2) ? |
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| 22:34.39 | pme | Okay, here's my question: dig, nslookup, host... they're all designed to query DNS nameservers. They're explicitly coded to not look up stuff through /etc/hosts or NIS or whatever else may be directed by nsswitch.conf. Is there a tool that will look up an address, just like (say) /usr/bin/host, but that will go through the order of resolvers specified by nsswitch? |
| 22:34.39 | mutek | Orhad: mkfs /dev/hdb1 |
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| 22:34.51 | mutek | Orhad: no going back, though. |
| 22:34.53 | Orhad | that easy huh, thanks mutek |
| 22:34.58 | Orhad | thats ifne |
| 22:34.58 | pixelmonkey | Does anyone have the ATI fglrx drivers working with drm? |
| 22:34.59 | Orhad | fine |
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| 22:35.48 | ljlane | ]TRI[EventHorizo, a common cause is enabling framebuffer support. Make sure that's disabled when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:35.59 | nion | What's that ipconfig program? |
| 22:36.01 | mutek | pme: well, ping'll do that... |
| 22:36.01 | ljlane | <- parroting a bit |
| 22:36.12 | mutek | nion: ifconfig? |
| 22:36.17 | pme | mutek: That's true... |
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| 22:36.43 | ljlane | ]TRI[EventHorizo, at a command line. And please don't do that ctcp thing again. |
| 22:36.50 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | k |
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| 22:37.12 | pme | mutek: Bummer. "ping -c 0" gives an error. |
| 22:37.24 | mutek | pme: O:-) |
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| 22:40.16 | mutek | was there a major net-split? |
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| 22:40.33 | oskie | mutek: doesn't seem so |
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| 22:41.11 | mutek | oskie: ok ta. Just went very quiet and several folk disappeared. Must just be my scintillating personality.. :-) |
| 22:41.29 | Ackira | hello :) |
| 22:41.43 | mutek | hi |
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| 22:42.34 | Orhad | mutek, i did the mkfs, but how do i access what's on there now ? |
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| 22:42.45 | Jeedo | $ wine CC32inst.exe |
| 22:42.45 | Jeedo | wine: cannot find 'CC32inst.exe' |
| 22:42.46 | modconf | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Jeedo |
| 22:43.11 | mutek | Orhad: you need to mount the new disk onto your filesystem somewhere. You could start by mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt to try it out? |
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| 22:43.44 | Orhad | no, i mean, how can i access the files on it |
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| 22:43.59 | mutek | Orhad: then you can spend days agonising about the right place, move it three times, and finally put an entry into your /etc/fstab to automatically mount at boot time. |
| 22:44.11 | mutek | Orhad: I refer you to my previous response! |
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| 22:44.24 | dobby | how can i test acpi? |
| 22:44.31 | Orhad | what do you mean ? |
| 22:44.34 | mutek | dobby: err, pull the mains? |
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| 22:44.52 | mutek | Orhad: all filesystems have to be mounted in unix in order to read and/or write to/from them. |
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| 22:45.08 | Orhad | but what about my 150gigs of data, how can i now access it ? |
| 22:45.13 | dobby | I have enabled acpi in kernel on my laptop but i don't know an application how i can see if it works? |
| 22:45.15 | mutek | Orhad: so you need to mount floppies, CDs, disks, everything to read and write them. |
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| 22:45.47 | Orhad | hehe mutek, i'm just messing with you |
| 22:45.49 | mutek | Orhad: Well, you need to save some first. |
| 22:45.50 | judas | can somebody speak german? |
| 22:46.05 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | ich kann etwas deutsch sprechen |
| 22:46.05 | caphuso | !german |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 22:46.08 | Jeedo | #de.bian ? |
| 22:46.12 | Orhad | i was trying to get you to believe i had stuff i wanted to keep on there |
| 22:46.27 | judas | thx |
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| 22:46.59 | mutek | Orhad: I was desperately hoping you didn't mean that... |
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| 22:46.59 | Ackira | i'm looking for someone to play crack-attack or even koules, does someone want to play ? |
| 22:46.59 | Orhad | hehehe :) |
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| 22:46.59 | duncan|zzzz | where do I set locale? |
| 22:46.59 | mutek | Orhad: :-)) |
| 22:46.59 | Orhad | thanks for the help mutek |
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| 22:46.59 | mutek | Orhad: no probs. |
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| 22:47.26 | quaqo | Bye |
| 22:47.58 | Orhad | mutek when i try 'mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt' i get this |
| 22:48.36 | Orhad | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, |
| 22:48.36 | Orhad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.53 | Orhad | and "NTFS: Invalid $Mft record 0" |
| 22:48.57 | hackeron | I have a serious problem with nvnet (network card on nforce2 chipset motherboards), sometimes it's stable, but there are hours when its just impossible to use, CONSTANT NFS Stale shares, and errors reported in ifconfig, like TX packets:314506 errors:348 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 ...... Any ideas at all what could be wrong and what I should test? (this ONLY happens on this machine, other machines on network work flawless and I already t |
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| 22:49.46 | Orhad | mutek does that mean mkfs didn't work ? |
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| 22:49.58 | mutek | Orhad: hmm - doesn't sound good. Ah - a thought crosses my mind - did you partition the disk first? Sorry - I've mislead a bit - you'll need to cfdisk /dev/hdb1 and set up linux partition(s), and then mkfs /dev/hdb1 |
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| 22:50.37 | Orhad | ahh, i didn't do that |
| 22:50.47 | mutek | Orhad: you might only need to cfdisk to change the partition type, as you've already done the format thing. |
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| 22:51.19 | mutek | Orhad: sorry - my mistake. |
| 22:51.24 | Orhad | when i run cfdisk /dev/hdb1 i get ... |
| 22:51.35 | pme | Orhad, mutek: You could check it first, with mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /mnt |
| 22:51.43 | Orhad | FATAL ERROR : Bad primary parition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 22:52.13 | Orhad | pme that worked |
| 22:52.28 | Orhad | i now have a lost+found in /mnt |
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| 22:52.54 | pme | Okay, that means that the mkfs worked, but that the defaukt mount type is wrong, as mutek said. You just need to change that and you're done. |
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| 22:53.12 | Orhad | what does that mean, the default mount type is wrong ? |
| 22:53.26 | Orhad | and why can't i run cfdisk /dev/hdb1 (i get that fatal error) |
| 22:53.28 | mutek | Orhad: if cfdisk won't start, you can use fdisk, but the interface is a bit basic. |
| 22:53.30 | pme | ...try maybe cfdisk /dev/hdb, without the number. cfdisk may not be smart enough to go from a partition to the drive. |
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| 22:53.56 | mutek | Orhad: yeah - /dev/hdb would be better. |
| 22:54.45 | pme | And, actually, a type has to be specified in fstab anyhow. |
| 22:54.53 | Orhad | that did it |
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| 22:55.10 | Orhad | so when i'm in /mnt i'm really in /dev/hdb1 right ? |
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| 22:55.14 | sandman | dpkg-reconfigure gpm doesn't _really_ reconfigure it; I want to change the flags used to start gpm from /etc/init.d/gpm |
| 22:55.19 | sandman | It was an option in the initial install |
| 22:55.26 | pme | mutek: I've been poking around the glibc source. It looks like "getent hosts foo.com" will do what I want. But damn it's slow... |
| 22:55.35 | sandman | But, now it won't give it to me.. =/ Also, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't actually edit any configuration files. |
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| 22:56.12 | Orhad | the whole reason i'm doing this is I added a second drive to my test machine, so i can directly ghost stuff to the second drive |
| 22:56.20 | mutek | pme: sounds like it's time to write a babygram... name lookups are pretty slow when you use the whole nsswitch infrastructure, though, aren't they? |
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| 22:56.34 | Orhad | i was using ghostcast to ghost that test machine across the network, but ghostcast seems to kill ALL other network connections except for itself |
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| 22:57.12 | mutek | Orhad: yeah - you are. You can mount the drive to wherever you want. You'll probably want an entry in /etc/fstab (try man fstab for more info) to automatically mount the drive at bootup. |
| 22:57.16 | pme | mutek: But like you say, ping does the same thing, and faster.... um, what's a babygram? |
| 22:58.18 | Orhad | ok, thanks mutek |
| 22:58.19 | mutek | pme: ah - yeah - it's like a noddygram only even smaller. Many years ago, when I used to write software, it was a popular term in the consultancy I worked for. 'Course, 6809s were cool then, so the phrase might have dropped out of common use by now... :-) (gods I feel old now!) |
| 22:59.19 | awallace | if i want to script some rsync backups through ssh, should i use public keys or is tere a different way of being able to authenticate? |
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| 22:59.40 | mutek | pme: noddygram being a small programme (say, 100 lines of assembly or less...) |
| 22:59.42 | pme | awallace: man ssh, there are a zillion ways to authenticate. |
| 22:59.47 | Orhad | mutek what do i put under options , dump, and pass in fstab |
| 22:59.52 | Orhad | can i just copy my / mount point ? |
| 23:00.10 | mutek | ext2, 0, 0 |
| 23:00.35 | Orhad | ok, what about <options> |
| 23:00.39 | pme | mutek: I'm thinking the same thing. Nick the relevent code from ping.c, just without the actual ping parts. :-) |
| 23:01.04 | mutek | Orhad: don't forget that /mnt is under / so if you recursively copy, you'll get an infinite loop and fill up ur disk. |
| 23:01.22 | mutek | pme: yeah - take all the useful stuff off ping and use what's left ;-) |
| 23:01.31 | pme | heheheh |
| 23:01.35 | mutek | pme: seriously, I think it could be a useful utility. |
| 23:01.45 | Orhad | cool |
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| 23:02.08 | De_Mon | Orhad you could also exclude /mnt from your cp command |
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| 23:02.31 | De_Mon | no, thats tar |
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| 23:03.47 | Orhad | my cp command ? |
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| 23:04.10 | mutek | Orhad: man cp |
| 23:04.17 | Orhad | i know cp = copy |
| 23:04.26 | Orhad | but i'm not sure what de_mon means |
| 23:04.34 | De_Mon | nevermind i didnt catch enough of the conversation to know whats going on |
| 23:04.53 | sandman | What's the proper mouse driver for an Intellimouse repeat from /dev/gpmdata? |
| 23:05.02 | mutek | Orhad: man cp; use cp with a list of dirs to cp from and one to cp to. |
| 23:05.07 | mojo | ok three main questions, all dealing with 2.6.0, first one is what is this error exactly? "Unknown HZ value! (89) Assume 100." two is how do you fix the fonts for the shell being extreamly dark? i can barely make out anything.. and three is where is the stuff on setting up NAT routing in the kernel? |
| 23:05.18 | xuser | when compiling kernel at cpu frequency of 133Mhz i get errors and when compiling at 100Mhz it compiles fine, that means? |
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| 23:05.20 | sandman | My device is /dev/gpmdata, Protocol is "auto", driver is "mouse", but I'm not sure if that's right. |
| 23:05.37 | mutek | sandman: gpm can do a raw repeat |
| 23:05.43 | bztunk | xuser: your cpu is made for 100mhz, no 133mhz |
| 23:05.45 | sandman | mutek: Right. Is that what I want? |
| 23:05.51 | awallace | pme: thanks |
| 23:05.56 | mutek | sandman: can't recall the command - it's in the man page. It *is* if you've got an intellimouse! |
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| 23:06.54 | mutek | sandman: it's -Rraw |
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| 23:07.05 | awallace | I have a laptop with an eth0 defined, if i unplug the eth0 and dial in using a modem and try to ping something, it tries to use the eth0 defined gateway... What is the right way to setup the ppp to add/replece/supercede the eth0 gateway (or any previously defined ones)? |
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| 23:07.33 | xuser | bztunk, is an athlonxp 1800+, when i jumper the board cpu frequency to 100Mhz, my cpu only works at 1150Mhz |
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| 23:07.49 | mutek | awallace: you could use the ip-up.d (and ip-down.d) to set up new default routes, *or* pppd has a 'default |
| 23:07.55 | bztunk | xuser: then it's overheating or something |
| 23:07.55 | Spider210 | Ok how do I set services to start at boot?? |
| 23:08.00 | mutek | awallace: option to set up a default route when it connects. |
| 23:08.07 | bztunk | Spider210: update-rc.d |
| 23:08.08 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | now, i have one last question... |
| 23:08.18 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | what do i configure to install my NIC? |
| 23:08.21 | mutek | Spider210: I told you this earlier. |
| 23:08.26 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i didn't bother earlier |
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| 23:08.26 | mojo | xuser is it an asue board? |
| 23:08.33 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | no |
| 23:08.37 | sandman | mutek: Okay. GPM is repeating raw data, my X is pointing to /dev/gpmdata |
| 23:08.43 | xuser | mojo, no it's a biostar |
| 23:08.47 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | hello? |
| 23:08.48 | sandman | mutek: X now keeps saying "cannot determine mouse protocol" |
| 23:08.53 | xuser | bztunk, what's the normal temp? |
| 23:08.59 | mutek | sandman: good - is X expecting an intellimouse, and is your mouse an intellimouse? |
| 23:09.13 | sandman | mutek: No. |
| 23:09.15 | xuser | mojo, why? |
| 23:09.18 | sandman | mutek: My mouse is standard PS2 |
| 23:09.20 | ricochet | to anyone: I am running a server (stable) and want the latest spamassassin package, not the stable one. can I apt-get it? can i just install the package with dpkg? if so, how will this affect apt-get upgrades (stable) it wont revert back to the old package will it? |
| 23:09.25 | Spider210 | bztunk: how do I use update-rc.d |
| 23:09.27 | mojo | xuser i had the same problem with an xp 2100+ on my asue, i had to switch a jumper over for it to work at 133fsb (ddr 266) |
| 23:09.35 | bztunk | Spider210: man update-rc.d |
| 23:09.42 | sandman | mutek: But X doesn't read from my mouse for some reason. So I'm trying gpmdata rounding |
| 23:09.48 | bztunk | xuser: about 50C for the retail fan |
| 23:09.54 | mutek | sandman: sandman in which case, I would expect gpm to repeat ps2 format. |
| 23:10.19 | Orhad | mutek, do i have to create a mount point before i can mount something to it ? |
| 23:10.21 | awallace | mutek: i used kppp, should I not use that? |
| 23:10.22 | mojo | other wise it just sat at 100mhz and would not go any faster because it was a dumb error on their part |
| 23:10.26 | mutek | sandman: I use gpmdata for X on sevearl machines - works well for me. |
| 23:10.35 | pme | Orhad: yes, man mount |
| 23:10.35 | Orhad | i added this to /dev/hdb1 /hd2 ext2 defaults 0 0 |
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| 23:10.45 | mutek | awallace: I really dont' know kppp - sorry. If it's a front-end for pppd, then you should be able to use the same options somehow. |
| 23:10.46 | Orhad | that's what i though, i have to create a /hdb2 now |
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| 23:10.55 | mutek | Orhad: yes - mkdir <name> |
| 23:10.59 | sandman | mutek: What's a protocol X understands easily from gpmdata? |
| 23:11.05 | sandman | mutek: I've tried Intellimouse, that doesn't work |
| 23:11.21 | mutek | sandman: gpm defaults to msc - try that one? |
| 23:11.22 | xuser | mojo, k gonna check the jumper settings |
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| 23:11.34 | sharth | sandman: i thought there was a gpm protocal |
| 23:11.54 | mutek | sandman: bear in mind that X uses different names to gpm for the same protocols, though. |
| 23:11.54 | mutek | sharth: no - there isn't. |
| 23:11.54 | awallace | mutek: thaks, I'll check it out. |
| 23:12.01 | ciga | will ati radeon 9200se work with debian? |
| 23:12.02 | mojo | xuser do that, and check the bios too, could be ste in the bios on that board.. it was weird thing, it was set for NonPolarmo, i had to enable it so it would see it as one |
| 23:12.25 | sandman | mutek: Shouldn't "auto" work in most cases, though? |
| 23:12.28 | xuser | mojo, ok thx rebooting.... |
| 23:12.31 | sandman | mutek: msc? You mean ms3? |
| 23:12.40 | mutek | sandman: no - msc is mouse systems, I think. |
| 23:12.57 | sandman | Are you talking about driver or protocol? |
| 23:13.01 | sandman | sharth: Are you sure? |
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| 23:13.21 | sharth | sandman: not sure at all. and mutek says im wrong, so don't listen to me |
| 23:13.32 | mutek | sandman: protocol. There are no separate drivers. |
| 23:13.41 | peterS | sandman: I recommend gpm repeater protocol "ms3", which is X protocol "IntelliMouse" |
| 23:14.02 | bahadunn | how can I tell modprobe not to try to install certian modules at boot time? |
| 23:14.05 | peterS | sandman: gpm "msc" (XFree86 "MouseSystems") works, but doesn't include a scroll wheel |
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| 23:14.23 | mutek | sandman: peterS's suggestion looks good. The difficulty is that you have to map 'xfree' mouse protocol names to gpm names - they're not the same. |
| 23:14.34 | sandman | peterS: Thank you |
| 23:14.38 | peterS | sandman: note, I *think* gpm "ms3" is in a Debian-specific gpm patch, so don't listen to me if you use Red Hat (: |
| 23:14.46 | sandman | Nono, auto, as a protocol, appears to be broken. |
| 23:15.20 | sandman | It doesn't seem to detect properly |
| 23:15.20 | sandman | I explicitly put in IntelliMouse for the protocol, and it works. |
| 23:15.20 | mutek | sandman: that's a problem with your mouse and gpm. |
| 23:15.20 | sandman | Where to get a list of Mouse Protocols for mouse? |
| 23:15.25 | sandman | mutek: Are you sure? |
| 23:15.29 | mutek | sandman: or with X and your mouse |
| 23:15.31 | sandman | X and my mouse. |
| 23:15.37 | sandman | GPM works with my mouse just fine. |
| 23:15.37 | peterS | sandman: for gpm, run 'gpm -t help'. for X ... there's a manpage somewhere ... |
| 23:15.45 | sandman | X, with the same specifications (PS2, etc) doesn't work |
| 23:15.46 | sandman | it's odd. |
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| 23:16.02 | bahadunn | request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- parport_lowlevel. error = -16 - I keep getting errors for this and certian other modules such as the RTC module which are all compiled directly into my kernel |
| 23:16.11 | sandman | peterS: I was looking for it earlier |
| 23:16.18 | mutek | sandman: gpm repeating works very well indeed, and it avoids having collision problems between x and gpm (if you're a console junky like me, anyway) |
| 23:16.21 | sandman | peterS: Yeah I knew about that gpm -t thing, got it from ther manpage |
| 23:16.24 | sandman | -r |
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| 23:16.45 | sandman | mutek: Well, it's just nice to have mouse support in console if anything goes wrong, too. |
| 23:16.46 | Orhad | why is it when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade i have no new packages, and when i do "update" + "install" in dselect i have like 77 new packages its trying to install |
| 23:17.04 | mutek | sandman: yeah - it's often useful - grabbing a url or something for lynx on another vt. |
| 23:17.05 | bahadunn | it seems that /etc/modules.conf is trying to load them at boot. |
| 23:17.34 | bahadunn | but I cant figure out how to tell modprobe not to do this. Everything I have tried fails |
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| 23:17.41 | mutek | sandman: it would be amazingly useful to be able to share clipboard with X, but I suspect that's a nightmare from a software viewpoint... |
| 23:17.43 | peterS | sandman: I recommend getting gpm to work (done, right?) and then using the gpm repeater (-Rms3, X with device /dev/gpmdata) so that you're not trying to read mouse data directly from two different places. that can confuse certain mice. (note that many people have no trouble with this, I'm just saying it *can* cause problems) |
| 23:17.56 | mutek | bahadunn: vi /etc/modules might help? |
| 23:18.23 | bahadunn | mutek: I have all contents of /etc/modules commented out as everything my system needs is compiled directly into my kernel |
| 23:18.40 | peterS | mutek: I've thought about that from time to time. what is needed is an X app that also links to libgpm and serves as a two-way proxy. it would run as part of your X session, I suppose |
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| 23:19.11 | sandman | peterS: Yeah, I got it working now. |
| 23:19.21 | sandman | mutek: I'm sure there are ways |
| 23:19.24 | looksaus | I wonder what's the best way to |
| 23:19.25 | peterS | mutek: not a "nightmare", I suspect. it doesn't sound all that hard, even. but I haven't gotten around to it in the 5 years or so since I first thought of it, so I guess I probably never shall |
| 23:19.26 | mutek | bahadunn: you need to look into /etc/modutils and sew ahts' there. |
| 23:19.42 | looksaus | install gnome-panel and gnome-panel-data |
| 23:19.56 | looksaus | when they complain about |
| 23:20.39 | mutek | peterS: sandman: I find it's something that would be amazingly useful about twice/year, so I can't see myself having a go... |
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| 23:20.48 | peterS | mutek: exactly (: |
| 23:20.48 | bahadunn | mutek: there is a list of files here. I have played with commenting out the lines that have to do with the modules in question but this seems to have no effect |
| 23:20.52 | Esaj | how do I force apt-get to hold back certain packages? |
| 23:20.55 | mojo | Why running the 2.4.23 kernel would my fonts be fine, but jumping to 2.6.0 would they be very dark? |
| 23:21.19 | mutek | bahadunn: you need to look at man update-modules as well |
| 23:21.19 | bztunk | mojo: framebuffer? |
| 23:21.26 | sandman | When I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, it asked me about which resolution I would like to run. I entered 1024x768, however I see no line including this resolution in XF86Config. X also runs at like 1600x. |
| 23:21.31 | mojo | bztunk i didnt setup framebuffer for the console |
| 23:21.31 | sandman | Trying to figure out why this is.. |
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| 23:21.38 | Covener | mojo: you've gone back and forth, as in sureit's not just the reboot? |
| 23:21.41 | bztunk | mojo: then i don't know |
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| 23:21.49 | bahadunn | mutek: I have also read this 2 or 3 times prior to coming here |
| 23:21.52 | Intellectus | Is this the debian channel??? |
| 23:21.58 | bahadunn | mutek: the update-modules manpage that is |
| 23:22.03 | bztunk | Intellectus: /topic |
| 23:22.22 | mojo | covener i tryed rebooting 2 times, the fonts were fine at the inital part of the bootup proccesses, then they just jumped to very dark |
| 23:22.26 | mutek | bahadunn: haven't a clue then - sorry |
| 23:22.28 | Intellectus | I got an error |
| 23:22.33 | blublob | and reconsider your nick... ;) |
| 23:22.48 | Intellectus | Anyway.. this irc client is acting odd |
| 23:22.51 | mutek | :-)) |
| 23:23.03 | Covener | mojo: does it change during init.d stuff? maybe you can isolate the init script making the change |
| 23:23.12 | mutek | Intellectus: mutek sum |
| 23:23.27 | mojo | covener, no, a little bit before that, it might be framebuffer based, if it was what would fix it.. |
| 23:24.08 | bahadunn | mutek: ok thanks anyways |
| 23:24.21 | Intellectus | Question: Can someone recommend a good source for learning how to build a debian-based special-purpose distrobution? |
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| 23:24.52 | bztunk | Intellectus: copy stuff from others |
| 23:25.15 | Intellectus | bztunk: Like maybe, Knoppix? |
| 23:25.19 | mutek | Intellectus: knoppix is one of those, I think? |
| 23:25.30 | bztunk | Intellectus: yeah, for exemple |
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| 23:25.42 | Intellectus | mutek, Knoppix is owesome.. |
| 23:25.47 | sandman | I only have one XF86Config located in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11. There is no mention of my resolution there |
| 23:25.51 | mutek | Intellectus: Why not try reading the debian manuals? |
| 23:26.03 | Intellectus | I build a distro based on Fedora, but it just bothers me in so many ways. |
| 23:26.05 | sandman | I also have no XF86Config-4. I did this on purpose. |
| 23:26.16 | Intellectus | But Fedora made it easy.. |
| 23:26.23 | sandman | However I am wondering why dpkg-reconfigure does not enter resolution lines. |
| 23:26.39 | sandman | Intellectus: What bothers you? |
| 23:26.51 | looksaus | hmmm... first time I'm fiddling with source packages |
| 23:26.54 | caphuso | sandman: what does this mean: sandman> I also have no XF86Config-4. I did this on purpose. |
| 23:26.58 | looksaus | this system is really greatr |
| 23:27.05 | looksaus | apt-get source --compile |
| 23:27.07 | looksaus | wow |
| 23:27.09 | sandman | caphuso: That means I deleted it. |
| 23:27.15 | caphuso | sandman: ok |
| 23:27.15 | Intellectus | sandman: I've used ReiserFS for years on numerous productions servers without a hitch... But it fails a lot on Fedora. |
| 23:27.16 | sandman | caphuso: I only want one XF86Config. |
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| 23:27.25 | looksaus | sorry, have to leave |
| 23:27.28 | patrick_ | could somebody help me to find the proper command in bitchx that saves the current text buffer to a file? |
| 23:27.32 | sandman | Intellectus: Borked up kernel drivers? |
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| 23:27.41 | mutek | sandman: xfree doesn't always need resolution lines any more, depending on chipset. Check their web-site or man pages. |
| 23:27.44 | Intellectus | sandman: I guess... |
| 23:27.46 | patrick_ | (i cant browse the web) |
| 23:27.46 | caphuso | sandman: uhm |
| 23:28.00 | caphuso | sandman: you have no idea what you are talking about, right? |
| 23:28.05 | sandman | caphuso: Of course I do. |
| 23:28.11 | pme | mutek: Aha. The routine in getent does a bunch of setup, then calls gethostbyname2 for ipv6, then falls back on gethostbyname2 for ipv4. The routine in ping just calls gethostbyname2 for ipv4, full stop. That's the slowdown, I bet... so that's what my babygram needs to not do. |
| 23:28.24 | sandman | caphuso: bad fs kernel drivers used to even fsck up ext2 back in the day |
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| 23:28.30 | Intellectus | sandman: also.. Ext3 has fowled up after 2 months, requiring a repair.. But Fedora's reiserfs was trashed. |
| 23:28.30 | caphuso | sandman: you do? then please, please explain why you are 1) trying to use xserver-xfree86 and b) delete its config file |
| 23:28.32 | mutek | pme: sounds like you've found. |
| 23:29.01 | mutek | pme: sounds like you've found it. Good luck! |
| 23:29.06 | patrick_ | could somebody help me to find the proper command in bitchx that saves the current text buffer to a file? |
| 23:29.15 | Intellectus | sandman: Reiserfs has never given me trouble on Mandrake, SuSE, or Gentoo. |
| 23:29.25 | sandman | caphuso: Because there were about 4 XF86Configs on my system for some reason. |
| 23:29.37 | caphuso | sandman: there's only one: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:29.37 | caphuso | and no other |
| 23:29.39 | sandman | caphuso: I didn't want to have to think about hte dir search order, so I just removed them all except for one. |
| 23:29.39 | mutek | caphuso: xfree will default to XF86Config if there's no XF86config-4 avaialble. |
| 23:29.51 | sandman | caphuso: Actually, you're wrong. There can be many. |
| 23:30.07 | sandman | caphuso: There is a XF86Config search order. If you look at the manpages, it describes them. |
| 23:30.29 | sandman | caphuso: And also what mutek said. By the way, do you usually try to insult peoples' intelligence? |
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| 23:30.54 | sandman | Intellectus: Me neither. I couldn't tell ya |
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| 23:31.07 | sandman | Intellectus: Go ask them in their channel. Submit a bug report. Explain how to reproduce corruption |
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| 23:31.54 | mutek | pme: of course, you'll need an ipv6 version in a few month's time... :-) |
| 23:32.15 | Intellectus | sandman: All you get is FUD, FUD, FUD against Reiserfs and people calling you a story-telling troll, when you tell them reiserfs worked fine on other distros. |
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| 23:32.35 | Intellectus | sandman: any evidence you give, they just say you are lying. |
| 23:32.56 | sandman | Intellectus: Well, don't use Fedora. |
| 23:33.04 | Intellectus | sandman: my point. |
| 23:33.30 | pme | mutek: I can always fall back on just running getent. :-) |
| 23:33.43 | Intellectus | sandman: do you think debian people are more open, generally? |
| 23:34.11 | caphuso | sandman: 1) using /etc/X11/XF86Config instead of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is silly, because the former is generally considered the config file for xfree86 3.x. 2) if you have more than one XF86Config-4, you created them manually. why? |
| 23:34.42 | sandman | caphuso: They were generated by auto-configure bins. So, no, just because there are more than one, it doesn't automatically mean I made one. |
| 23:34.53 | caphuso | sandman: "auto-configure bins"? |
| 23:34.53 | mutek | pme: aha - good point! |
| 23:34.55 | sandman | caphuso: You appreciate your help, but you assume too much. |
| 23:34.57 | Intellectus | We are working on something that will require reiserfs 4... and the system will need LVM support. These things worry me with debian. |
| 23:35.11 | sandman | caphuso: Right. xf86config, xf86cfg, X -configure, etc |
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| 23:35.28 | caphuso | sandman: which all started automatically without asking you first... |
| 23:35.29 | sandman | caphuso: I'm not sure where the others came from, but I think 2 came from the various types I tried. |
| 23:35.44 | sandman | caphuso: I don't understand what you mean by that statement |
| 23:35.55 | oskie | zinx: you were the xmms guy right? |
| 23:36.01 | caphuso | sandman: just commenting your remark about you not creating them yourself |
| 23:36.04 | sandman | Intellectus: No, not hardly. But it has its benefits. |
| 23:36.26 | caphuso | sandman: it's understandable that you have several of those files if you're forced at gun point to run silly configuration tools |
| 23:36.53 | caphuso | sandman: still, why in all hell did you delete the one config file the proper configuration frontend had created for you? |
| 23:36.54 | oskie | is there an xmms-like audio player in debian that supports gtk 2.0? i'm rooting out packages that use gtk 1.2 :) |
| 23:36.57 | sandman | caphuso: Are you going to help or not? |
| 23:37.16 | caphuso | sandman: i'm still trying to understand your problem |
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| 23:37.18 | fgh | hi |
| 23:37.22 | sandman | caphuso: You know what the problem is. |
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| 23:37.38 | fgh | i want to clean my dselect from that what it wants to do this time ... how to do this... i want to make it clean |
| 23:37.42 | Baquero | hi |
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| 23:37.55 | caphuso | sandman: i know that you for some weird reason are not able to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 properly. that's all |
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| 23:38.23 | Intellectus | sandman: Maybe we should start from Knoppix.. I'll see if they have a channel. |
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| 23:38.27 | sandman | caphuso: Okay, I don't want your help anymore. Go busy yourself with bitching at someone else please, thanks. |
| 23:38.37 | sandman | Intellectus: We? |
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| 23:38.50 | caphuso | sandman: no problem. *I* have a working X, so it's not a big deal |
| 23:38.52 | fgh | shortly, how to clean dselect? |
| 23:39.00 | sandman | caphuso: Yeah that's nice. |
| 23:39.01 | caphuso | fgh: basically, you don't |
| 23:39.07 | fgh | i must |
| 23:39.12 | caphuso | fgh: what exactly did you do? |
| 23:39.16 | fgh | it wants to install broken pakages in sid |
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| 23:39.28 | caphuso | fgh: put them on hold |
| 23:39.47 | hackeron | hey, I enabled NFSv4 both on server and on client, but ethereal shows me I'm still using V3, how to enable v4 ?? |
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| 23:39.56 | sandman | hackeron: What's up? |
| 23:39.58 | chris` | Hurrah, now I finally know why my work system has prettier fonts than my home system. Work has libxft2-dev and home has libxft-dev |
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| 23:40.15 | hackeron | sandman: I think my nic's fucked :( |
| 23:40.31 | sandman | hackeron: I see. Could you show me some ethereal output @ #flood? |
| 23:40.35 | hackeron | sandman: I'm getting NFS Stale Shares only on my AMD with the nvnet closed source driver from nvidia |
| 23:40.51 | sandman | hackeron: That's odd. |
| 23:40.54 | hackeron | sandman: no, I can't, it's an X tool and you cant copy paste stuff from it |
| 23:41.08 | sandman | hackeron: try tcpdump |
| 23:41.12 | mfbian | is there command line ftp client that can recursively get files and sub directory |
| 23:41.20 | hackeron | sandman: yeah. I know, but everything works flawless on laptop with wireless connection and on my dad's PC :( |
| 23:41.20 | Covener | hackeron: is that a binary driver? do they support you using any old kernel? |
| 23:41.25 | sandman | mfbian: I think ncftp can |
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| 23:41.37 | Gathond | mfbian: yafc and lftp can |
| 23:41.38 | bztunk | hackeron: there's a gpl driver for the nforce2 ethernet driver |
| 23:41.43 | bztunk | *nic |
| 23:41.47 | hackeron | bztunk: WHERE!? |
| 23:41.48 | sandman | THere ya go, hackeron. |
| 23:41.49 | sandman | lol |
| 23:41.55 | hackeron | :) |
| 23:41.57 | mfbian | ncftp can? |
| 23:41.58 | bztunk | hackeron: check google for forcedeth |
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| 23:42.03 | sandman | mfbian: I believe so. |
| 23:42.04 | bztunk | hackeron: and it's in the -mm series |
| 23:42.09 | caphuso | forcedeth isn't exactly stable |
| 23:42.14 | pixelmonkey | anyone heard of a trace/breakpoint trap error when trying to use dri with the proprietary ATI drivers? |
| 23:42.16 | Orhad | is it possible to format a drive as fat32 from debian ? |
| 23:42.17 | bztunk | caphuso: but it's gpl. QED |
| 23:42.18 | pixelmonkey | I'm really pulling my hair out here |
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| 23:42.35 | sandman | hackeron: I say, just try it. Having it work unstable is better than not having it work at all. |
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| 23:42.38 | caphuso | This release is intended for experienced users, it's beta quality: |
| 23:42.41 | Covener | orhad: man mkfs.vfat (search for -F) |
| 23:42.46 | ynezz | hi |
| 23:42.53 | sandman | caphuso: Hackeron is an experience user, silly. |
| 23:42.55 | hackeron | sandman: it works fine, just not with NFS |
| 23:42.56 | sandman | +d |
| 23:43.03 | sandman | hackeron: Right. You want NFS functionality. |
| 23:43.10 | bztunk | sandman: yeah because he has hack in his nick |
| 23:43.13 | ynezz | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 23:43.17 | sandman | having unstable, but correct NFS functionality is better than incorrect. |
| 23:43.19 | hackeron | anyone??, I enabled NFSv4 both on server and on client, but ethereal shows me I'm still using V3, how to enable v4 ?? |
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| 23:43.21 | ynezz | is there a way how to fix this ? |
| 23:43.21 | Orhad | thanks covener, because i can't seem to ghost a drive to a ext2 partition |
| 23:43.23 | sandman | bztunk: No, because I know him. |
| 23:43.27 | mojo | do you have to upgrade ps to 2.0.9 to stay away from problems with kernel 2.6.0, or would it really not matter much? |
| 23:43.30 | bztunk | sandman: lol ok :D |
| 23:43.36 | sgeigerbot | asg: Yes, yenta_socket got my wireless card working |
| 23:43.36 | hackeron | sandman: yeah, I'll give it a go |
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| 23:43.55 | jwendl | got a quick question? I am trying to get a NE200T Eagle (fmvj18x_cs) pcmcia card to work with debian 3. |
| 23:44.42 | jwendl | when it attempts to ping outside it's ip address it returns error eth0: transmit timed out with status 8000, IRQ conflict? yet I don't think anything is using it's IRQ... |
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| 23:45.03 | Orhad | covener No manual entry for mkfs.vfat |
| 23:45.12 | hackeron | sandman: crap, forgot how to patch, lol, you by any chance have it on top of your head somewhere? |
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| 23:45.18 | Covener | orhad: dosfstools package |
| 23:45.29 | sandman | patch -[n p]1 < patchfile |
| 23:45.31 | sgeigerbot | jwendl: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 23:45.34 | Orhad | got it |
| 23:45.45 | bork | does anyone know if im an autovoice on somebodies userlist and they are using scrollz if i have to rejoin to get my voice of if there is a command to get it? |
| 23:45.45 | sandman | iirc... you have to be in the directory of the sourcetree being patched, or something |
| 23:45.50 | ixion_ | How can I quickly find out which kernel I'm running currently? |
| 23:45.56 | caphuso | ixion_: uname -r |
| 23:45.58 | sandman | hackeron: It's right @ the top of the manpage, also |
| 23:46.14 | Ixion | Thanks much, caphuso. |
| 23:46.16 | Ixion | You're the man. |
| 23:46.19 | sandman | hackeron: patch -p1 < patchfile |
| 23:46.38 | jwendl | sgeigerbot: 3: 6 XT-PIC fmvj18x_cs and nothing else in 3: |
| 23:46.41 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: What's AT? |
| 23:46.46 | hackeron | sandman: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 23:46.49 | hackeron | sandman: hmm |
| 23:46.53 | bork | does anyone know if im an autovoice on somebodies userlist and they are using scrollz if i have to rejoin to get my voice of if there is a command to get it? |
| 23:46.56 | oskie | a gcombust-like burning program that uses gtk 2.0 rather than gtk 1.2 - any recommendations? |
| 23:46.57 | sgeigerbot | jwendl: Is that your NIC? |
| 23:47.03 | jwendl | pcmcia card |
| 23:47.04 | jwendl | yeah |
| 23:47.09 | Intellectus | sandman: knoppix doesn't support reiserfs 4 or lvm..... Does debian, in any of its branches to your knowledge? |
| 23:47.09 | jwendl | ne200t |
| 23:47.16 | bztunk | hackeron: what kernel are you using? |
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| 23:47.22 | jwendl | from eagle technologies |
| 23:47.28 | sgeigerbot | jwendl: Have you tried reinserting, rebooting or re-anything-else? |
| 23:47.37 | jwendl | yeah... |
| 23:47.43 | sandman | hackeron: Right. I forget exactly how patch works, but I think if you run patch twice on teh same source tree, you can undo patches, or something. |
| 23:47.47 | jwendl | sgeigerbot: the card works in win 98 but not with debian |
| 23:47.48 | hackeron | bztunk: 2.6.0 final |
| 23:48.00 | sgeigerbot | jwendl: Are you using hotplug? |
| 23:48.01 | bork | does anyone know if im an autovoice on somebodies userlist and they are using scrollz if i have to rejoin to get my voice of if there is a command to get it? |
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| 23:48.15 | sandman | hackeron: So basically that means, that change is already there; you can revert it back, or just leave it. |
| 23:48.17 | bztunk | root! |
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| 23:48.26 | sandman | hackeron: If the patch is to the latest version, jus leave it. |
| 23:48.31 | bztunk | sandman: 2.6.0 doesn't have it... afaik |
| 23:48.37 | sandman | bztunk: Have what? |
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| 23:48.42 | jwendl | as far as I know just cardctl, since it is base debian install I doubt I am using hotplug |
| 23:48.43 | hackeron | sandman: the patch |
| 23:48.56 | bztunk | martijn: stfu |
| 23:49.01 | Ixion | Say... I'm running 2.2.20, is that a pretty crusty version? |
| 23:49.04 | sandman | hackeron: Oh, you're applying that patch he sent you. |
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| 23:49.19 | sandman | hackeron: Well, is that an mm patch? |
| 23:49.22 | felix-d | Hey... I have one stupid question... witch one is correct? "Mutlimedia map of city xxx" or "Interactive map of city xxx" |
| 23:49.32 | bork | does anyone know if im an autovoice on somebodies userlist and they are using scrollz if i have to rejoin to get my voice of if there is a command to get it? |
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| 23:49.42 | sandman | hackeron: What's the total name of the sources you have, what version is that patch designed for? |
| 23:50.07 | sgeigerbot | bork: Technical terms are used to describe things so that they are easy to understand for those who understand tech talk. If you learn those terms and the way to use them, you will find that your ability to get answers online will increase. |
| 23:50.13 | sandman | hackeron: Like, 2.6.0-test11 or whatever, and the patch is designed for, let's say, ..-test10 |
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| 23:50.15 | hackeron | bztunk: well, patch won't apply |
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| 23:50.33 | themane | hi all. how do I go about making a device so that it can be mounted by all users? /dev/sda1 is currently set as owned by root and group floppy, but I can only mount it as root. |
| 23:50.37 | sandman | hackeron: You mean to say, all the lines are already there? Or is there an error |
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| 23:50.46 | awallace | mutek: thaks, I'll check it out |
| 23:50.53 | hackeron | sandman: part of it applied, part of it says error |
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| 23:50.58 | caphuso | themane: put "user" into the option field in /etc/fstab |
| 23:51.09 | hackeron | sandman: and there were massive offsets |
| 23:51.10 | sandman | hackeron: Answer the question about hte versions |
| 23:51.21 | hackeron | sandman: which question is that? |
| 23:51.22 | themane | oh, it's the word "user"? I had usr in there |
| 23:51.24 | bztunk | hackeron: hum, it's possible that it's not been designed for 2.6.0 final |
| 23:51.30 | themane | thanks, caphuso |
| 23:51.32 | hackeron | bztunk: no kidding :) |
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| 23:51.38 | hackeron | bztunk: but that doesn't help me much |
| 23:51.40 | bztunk | hackeron: if i were you, i'll get a mm patch. it has fixes for ACPI and stuff |
| 23:51.47 | sandman | hackeron: WHat version kernel sourcetree do you have, what version is the patch designed for? |
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| 23:52.09 | hackeron | sandman: patch was designed for 2.6, period, that's all it says, for 2.6.. I have 2.6.0 final |
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| 23:52.21 | sladegen | !hi |
| 23:52.22 | dpkg | hello, sladegen |
| 23:52.32 | sladegen | ~hi |
| 23:52.34 | | hello, sladegen |
| 23:52.43 | sladegen | @hi |
| 23:52.44 | ravenbird | Many greetings, sladegen, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 23:52.51 | hackeron | sandman: and it says on site applied cleanly on test11 |
| 23:52.57 | sandman | hackeron: Well, try reversing the 'final' patch back to 2.6.0. Then, apply this nforce patch for 2.6.0. |
| 23:53.03 | sandman | hackeron: Is final synonymous to test11? |
| 23:53.08 | hackeron | sandman: WHAT!? |
| 23:53.16 | hackeron | sandman: final is 2.6.0 |
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| 23:53.21 | sandman | Right. |
| 23:53.33 | bztunk | hackeron: get the mm patch, it has the forcedeth driver, and other stuff |
| 23:53.33 | sandman | Give me a minute |
| 23:53.34 | hackeron | sandman: test11 is 2.6.0-test11 |
| 23:53.47 | caphuso | apply the patch manually. it's a matter of two or three minutes, at most |
| 23:53.47 | mutek | awallace: hmm - repeating keyboard? :-) |
| 23:53.57 | hackeron | bztunk: ok, might as well, I'm ready for anything now, can't watch any of my movies and it's torture :( |
| 23:54.53 | hackeron | bztunk: I'm just trying to recompile glibc, it's known that glibc can often break nfs for whichever reason (so far I'm not impressed with this nfs, smb is superior in everyway) |
| 23:55.12 | Nosf3ratu | smb is slower, imo. |
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| 23:55.33 | bztunk | hackeron: hum, the glibc in debian should be ok, but i donno |
| 23:55.38 | hackeron | bztunk: I hope this mm-sources is worth it :) |
| 23:55.48 | hackeron | bztunk: should is such a scary word :) |
| 23:55.51 | sgeigerbot | In the 2.6 kernel: "you can now mark a directory as "indexed" to speed up searches of files in the directory." <-- HOW DOES ONE DO THAT? :-) |
| 23:56.10 | hackeron | bztunk: well, it doesn't, does it ;), don't think it's glibc related, but hell, I'm ready to try anything |
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| 23:57.22 | bztunk | hackeron: heh ok |
| 23:57.22 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I think you use 'chattr' |
| 23:57.33 | peterS | sgeigerbot: rtfm, I haven't actually looked that up |
| 23:57.40 | sgeigerbot | peter_: chattr has been around a long time... |
| 23:57.59 | sgeigerbot | peterS: rtfm is good advice if one can find the fm. |
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| 23:58.03 | peterS | sgeigerbot: yes, but it's still actively maintained. if I were adding a per-directory attribute to ext2 or ext3, that's how I'd do it |
| 23:58.23 | sladegen | wouldnt it depend on fs? anywayz... |
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| 23:59.00 | peterS | sgeigerbot: hmmm, the FM for chattr refers to the 'I' bit but says you can't set it explicitly, only view it with lsattr. so I guess that's not how you do it... |
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| 23:59.54 | Mp3RiPpEr | im having a small error |
| 23:59.56 | Mp3RiPpEr | and need some help |
