| 00:00.00 | Mp3RiPpEr | I installed wine just now |
| 00:00.07 | Mp3RiPpEr | and im getting Segmentation fault |
| 00:00.08 | chris` | So why is libxft2-dev no longer available and replaced by libxft-dev? |
| 00:00.13 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: tune2fs, look for dir_index |
| 00:00.19 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I don't see any reference to "find" "search" or "index" in the man page of chattr...but I'm upgrading... |
| 00:00.21 | chris` | Mp3RiPpEr: yeah, then wine is working correctly |
| 00:00.22 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: excellent. |
| 00:00.24 | hackeron | bztunk: ok, patched with mm patches, what is the nvnet equivelant driver called in it? |
| 00:00.36 | Mp3RiPpEr | why is it working if it seg faults? |
| 00:00.48 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ii e2fsprogs 1.34+1.35-WIP-2003.08.21-3 The EXT2 file system utilities and libraries |
| 00:00.59 | sammybaby | Has the location of the sarge netinst cd changed recently? (or not so recently, and I'm only just noticing it?) |
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| 00:01.05 | bztunk | hackeron: go to drivers/net/100mbit/ it's there |
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| 00:02.32 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Yes, that's the package that has chattr...I just upgraded to the newest version, in hopes that I could set the indexing feature...but I'm going to check out what caphuso mentioned... |
| 00:03.00 | sgeigerbot | ~netinst |
| 00:03.04 | | rumour has it, netinst is a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
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| 00:03.24 | Hans-RB | i want to define graphical plataform... what i need to do ? |
| 00:03.34 | sgeigerbot | Hans-RB: Knoppix |
| 00:03.50 | sammybaby | thanks, sgeigerbot. The link on the debian site is broked. |
| 00:03.57 | sgeigerbot | ~+lazy x |
| 00:03.58 | | rumour has it, lazy x is 'apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect;dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common;apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common' |
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| 00:04.09 | hackeron | bztunk: found, damn it doesn't sound convincing, revesed engineering nforce net, use only for testing, hmm |
| 00:04.27 | themane | hi again, one more question... what qualifies as an i686 machine? |
| 00:04.31 | bztunk | hackeron: heh :D but it's GPL! |
| 00:04.35 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: Try this (perhaps outdated) info: netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) linux.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs |
| 00:05.01 | hackeron | bztunk: I suppose there's nothing better than hardcore bleeding edge software despite what the debian community thinks ;) |
| 00:05.09 | zula | if anyone could point me in the right direction- i've had this problem before and fixed it somehow, i just forgot how :) Mozilla displays some pages with little boxes (unicode?) instead of regular fonts. |
| 00:05.18 | duobleB-e-o | hy guys |
| 00:05.25 | tarzeau | themane: pentium 2 and upwards |
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| 00:05.36 | bztunk | zula: you don't have the fonts required? |
| 00:05.41 | themane | tarzeau: ahh, ok.. wasn't sure. thanks! |
| 00:06.10 | zula | bztunk hmm, i install xfonts-cyrillic xfonts-japanese etc. konqueror seems to work fine.... |
| 00:06.11 | knt | hi all, till i started to use vesafb with kernel 2.6.0, when i attemtp to close x, system is halting. how can i fix that error? |
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| 00:06.30 | Hugl3 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.0.3-16_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:06.31 | Hugl3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.31 | dpkg | Hugl3: You are moron #7 |
| 00:06.32 | Hugl3 | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 00:06.39 | Hugl3 | what can i do with that error? |
| 00:06.43 | sammybaby | sgeigerbot: thanks, but the link from www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ to the "official testing images" is the thing that's broke. I'll find it somewhere else. |
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| 00:06.58 | bztunk | zula: i donno all the fonts shit, but if mozilla has fontconfig support, it won't find standart "xfonts" fonts |
| 00:06.59 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: google.com |
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| 00:07.05 | sammybaby | yeah. ;)_ |
| 00:07.09 | caphuso | Hugl3: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3...deb |
| 00:07.26 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: If you want, I have an netinst iso... |
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| 00:07.36 | Hans-RB | Knoppix |
| 00:07.43 | zula | bztunk thanks for your help, i'm trying to figure out what to google for. weird fonts doesn't get much .... :) |
| 00:07.55 | sammybaby | sgeigerbot: the 80 mb image for sarge? |
| 00:08.01 | Hans-RB | are you there? |
| 00:08.05 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: It doesn't really matter. |
| 00:08.16 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: the point is to get a base install...and then upgrade. |
| 00:08.22 | sammybaby | sgeigerbot: Good point. Yeah, if it's not too much of a problem. |
| 00:08.23 | bztunk | in the end, it doesn't really matter |
| 00:08.29 | Hugl3 | caphuso thx. helped ;] |
| 00:08.30 | sladegen | zula: perheps page doesnt define encoding? force unicode ... or other which you think is right hmm |
| 00:08.32 | fgh | i want to clean my dselect from that what it wants to do this time ... i want to make it clean |
| 00:08.52 | hackeron | bztunk: what else is interesting in the MM patches? |
| 00:08.54 | sgeigerbot | sammybaby: I'm going to private message you the URL. |
| 00:09.03 | Ixion | Quick Question: xdm or kdm? |
| 00:09.04 | hackeron | bztunk: anything else I should enable for the fun of it :)? |
| 00:09.13 | sammybaby | cool, sgeigerbot. |
| 00:09.14 | bztunk | hackeron: donno, for me it was mostly fixes |
| 00:09.16 | Ixion | I've used them both, but I don't really understand the difference. |
| 00:09.18 | zula | sladegen yes, i've tried it. I think i will try to go with a testing and stable version and see what happens. thanks all |
| 00:09.25 | hackeron | bztunk: what did it fix for you? |
| 00:09.31 | zula | meant unstable ... |
| 00:09.33 | bztunk | hackeron: ACPI |
| 00:09.48 | hackeron | bztunk: acpi works fine here.. |
| 00:10.06 | bztunk | hackeron: then heh, good for you :D |
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| 00:10.52 | sladegen | bztunk: is it full backport of 2.6.x ACPI hmmm or are you taking about 2.6.x kernel? |
| 00:11.01 | bztunk | sladegen: 2.6 |
| 00:11.07 | bztunk | sladegen: 2.6.0 |
| 00:11.14 | sladegen | oh nm then |
| 00:11.22 | nncryptx | is there a 'official' limit for sending emails in the same socket? mail from... mail from... mail from... |
| 00:11.28 | sgeigerbot | hackeron: Do you want people to dislike you? |
| 00:11.42 | Mp3RiPpEr | I need some more help I just installed wine How do I use wine? |
| 00:11.47 | Mp3RiPpEr | like whats the command or etcetc |
| 00:11.51 | sgeigerbot | nncryptx: are you a spammer? |
| 00:11.55 | hackeron | sgeigerbot: ofcourse, isn't it obvious? |
| 00:11.56 | uitra | carles: Usr/bin/Gnome-session: Permission denied, Why cant I start Gnome? |
| 00:11.59 | nncryptx | sgeigerbot no way! |
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| 00:12.31 | nncryptx | sgeigerbot mail/cel |
| 00:12.38 | uitra | les are you here |
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| 00:13.45 | Ixion | What does it mean when there are 'no screens found?' |
| 00:13.56 | sgeigerbot | ~+no screens found |
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| 00:14.04 | sladegen | Mp3RiPpEr: face it... wine is a lottery. best results are when you get it/read its docs yourself.. and even then each app has its nasty quircks and running notepad.exe is a success |
| 00:14.16 | uitra | I have installed Sarge, I can start KDE, but when I try to start Gnome, it fails with the following error, /usr/bin/Gnome-session: Permession denied |
| 00:14.22 | luser__ | nncryptx: read RFC |
| 00:14.23 | peterS | Ixion: it usually means your driver isn't liking your video card. this can be for a variety of reasons |
| 00:14.28 | JAPR | how can i set kde to default for X |
| 00:14.30 | nncryptx | luser__ ok |
| 00:14.32 | Ixion | Well, damn the man. |
| 00:14.32 | sgeigerbot | ~+screen not found |
| 00:14.34 | | you probably gave wrong monitor freqs or a wrong video card driver, or perhaps you should try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:14.50 | Ixion | Alright then. |
| 00:15.03 | caphuso | !noscreensfound |
| 00:15.03 | dpkg | well, noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question |
| 00:15.20 | Ixion | Crazy. I'll try all of those. |
| 00:15.30 | Ixion | Though... I told the system to try to autodetect my monitor... |
| 00:15.32 | Ixion | Was that a bad plan? |
| 00:15.33 | sandman | Will Debian ever increase the rate @ which they release Stable? |
| 00:15.44 | LoRez | sandman: are you volunteering to help? |
| 00:15.50 | hackeron | sandman: no |
| 00:15.52 | sandman | LoRez: In a way |
| 00:15.52 | caphuso | Ixion: it has nothing to do with your monitor |
| 00:15.55 | sgeigerbot | sandman: It will always stay the same: When it's ready |
| 00:15.57 | Ikarus_ | sandman: no |
| 00:16.11 | LoRez | sandman: fix some bugs by submitting patches to the bts |
| 00:16.11 | mojo | sandman why would they? |
| 00:16.28 | hackeron | sandman: yeah, there's no reason, not like anyone uses stable anyway :) |
| 00:16.36 | sandman | hackeron: That's true. |
| 00:16.36 | uitra | Any one else had problem with Sarge and Gnome? |
| 00:16.39 | sladegen | heh |
| 00:16.48 | arauko | what is the application used to take screenshots, something like imagick...? |
| 00:16.48 | sgeigerbot | uitra: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 00:16.57 | Mp3RiPpEr | how to extract a bz2 file? |
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| 00:17.07 | caphuso | Mp3RiPpEr: bunzip2 |
| 00:17.11 | sgeigerbot | arauko: Screenshots Demystified. "import" and xwd are a command-line programs, GIMP is a GUI program. Under GIMP: File | Acquire | Screenshot. "import" example: "import foo.jpg" which will prompt you to click on a window to take a picture. "import -window root root.jpeg" will capture the entire X server window. (Requires imagemagick.) xwd example: "xwd -frame | convert - img1.png" or "xwd | xwud" to display the image. |
| 00:17.11 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.17 | uitra | I have installed Sarge, I can start KDE, but when I try to start Gnome, it fails with the following error, /usr/bin/Gnome-session: Permession denied |
| 00:17.32 | Oryn | anyone know where I can find an ircop? |
| 00:17.43 | caphuso | Oryn: #freenode |
| 00:17.44 | LoRez | Oryn: what for? |
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| 00:17.57 | arauko | what is the application used to take screenshots, something like imagick...? |
| 00:18.04 | Oryn | LoRez: I wana know how to ban a nick from a channel |
| 00:18.08 | dippo | anyone know what can cause LOTS of segmentation faults? |
| 00:18.15 | dippo | ls -la; find; are yielding segfaults |
| 00:18.17 | dippo | all of a sudden |
| 00:18.17 | Oryn | dippo: ram |
| 00:18.23 | arauko | dippo, accessing unmapped memory |
| 00:18.25 | claviola | dippo: faulty memory, for instance. |
| 00:18.28 | dippo | hm |
| 00:18.32 | LoRez | Oryn: /mode #channel +b nick!*@* |
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| 00:18.38 | Mp3RiPpEr | um packages.debian.org is down at the moment etcetcetc |
| 00:18.38 | dippo | oh, i see kernel errors in /var/log/messages |
| 00:18.57 | hackeron | LoRez: no, sandman isn't, I am, I'm volunteering to help, give me root access to the respiratory, I'll sort stable out for you lot |
| 00:18.57 | dippo | Jan 2 19:15:45 mailgateway kernel: <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request a |
| 00:18.58 | dippo | t virtual address 829e3abc |
| 00:18.59 | mrmiagi | is there a debian way to shut-down services like telnet / ftp ? other than editing /etc/services and restarting inetd ? |
| 00:19.15 | Oryn | LoRez: can i use wildcards in the nick? |
| 00:19.19 | LoRez | hackeron: uh, no. |
| 00:19.23 | caphuso | mrmiagi: /etc/inetd.conf *not* /etc/services |
| 00:19.30 | hackeron | LoRez: well, don't say I didn't votunteer to help ;) |
| 00:19.33 | LoRez | Oryn: yeah |
| 00:19.41 | mrmiagi | err yea, no propieratory tools though ? |
| 00:19.48 | uitra | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.48 | Ixion | Ok.. |
| 00:19.53 | arauko | anyone knows a good appli to take screenshots? |
| 00:19.54 | Ixion | Making progress... |
| 00:19.55 | LoRez | hackeron: normal developers don't even have root to the pool. |
| 00:20.09 | hackeron | LoRez: yeah well, there's the problem :) |
| 00:20.20 | Ixion | New error for xf86... 'could not open default font "fixed"' |
| 00:20.26 | LoRez | hackeron: no, that's what ftp masters are for |
| 00:20.30 | Mp3RiPpEr | Im having more problems |
| 00:20.32 | Ixion | What does it all mean? |
| 00:20.32 | mrmiagi | lorez gang thats cool, thats a gibson refrence no ? |
| 00:20.34 | Mp3RiPpEr | everything I try to do says |
| 00:20.36 | Mp3RiPpEr | Broken package |
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| 00:20.44 | Lievin | s |
| 00:20.48 | LoRez | mrmiagi: very astute of you |
| 00:20.50 | mrmiagi | caphuso, are there no tools for that ? |
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| 00:21.25 | arauko | ooh |
| 00:21.29 | arauko | other than import |
| 00:21.33 | Ixion | New error for xf86... "could not open default font 'fixed,'" the hell does that mean? |
| 00:21.33 | arauko | and xwd |
| 00:21.39 | sladegen | mrmiagi: yes its called $EDITOR |
| 00:21.39 | uitra | With GDM i enter Username and passwd. I get a msg on screen. The session lasted les then 10 s.. bla bla. In detailes I find that, gnome wants to read /usr/bin/gnome-session, but I cant... Please somebody try to help |
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| 00:21.46 | JAPR | how can i change my platform to kde? |
| 00:21.48 | sladegen | arauko: for you ksnapshot |
| 00:21.53 | hackeron | LoRez: well, fine, give me root parmission to the root folder via ftp ;) |
| 00:21.58 | alem | anyone using qpopper ? |
| 00:22.04 | arauko | sladegen, i was looking for something, like, imagick... |
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| 00:22.20 | arauko | sladegen, i dont remenber its name, its something about imagick |
| 00:22.20 | alem | how do i run qpopper? there is nothing in /etc/init.d |
| 00:22.25 | mrmiagi | sladegen, i thought that was the variable used fron cron and the like ? |
| 00:22.38 | sladegen | arauko: import is part of imagick |
| 00:22.47 | dippo | boy something is seriously screwed on this machine |
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| 00:22.51 | dippo | mailgateway:/var/spool/postfix# mailq |
| 00:22.51 | dippo | mailq: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libpostfix-util.so.1: unexpected PLT reloc type 0x00 |
| 00:22.58 | JAPR | I'm the root |
| 00:23.06 | LoRez | hackeron: start by submitting patches to bugs ;) |
| 00:23.09 | sgeigerbot | arauko: Didn't you see my factoid?? |
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| 00:23.39 | hackeron | LoRez: as soon as I get my C skills up a bit :), I'm progressing quite well, its amazing how easy it is to program under linux ;) |
| 00:23.49 | arauko | sgeigerbot, yeah i saw it.. |
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| 00:24.04 | arauko | sgeigerbot, but i wanted smething like imagick |
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| 00:24.14 | sgeigerbot | arauko: In which way??? |
| 00:24.27 | alem | how do i run qpopper ? |
| 00:24.32 | quinten | what's the name of that tool to find the fastest debian mirror? |
| 00:24.37 | LoRez | apt-spy |
| 00:24.38 | arauko | sgeigerbot, what is the name of the package? |
| 00:24.44 | quinten | LoRez: thanks |
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| 00:24.51 | sgeigerbot | arauko: Christ...that's the most authoritative factoid you'll find... If you aren't specific about what you want, you won't get the answer you want. |
| 00:24.59 | sgeigerbot | arauko: which pakcage??? |
| 00:25.05 | Active2 | good night |
| 00:25.07 | sladegen | that package |
| 00:25.19 | uitra | Sound server information: Error while installing sound driver: device /dev/dsp cant be opened |
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| 00:25.37 | arauko | sgeigerbot, the one named imagick... something.. its something like that |
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| 00:25.48 | arauko | sgeigerbot, used to take screenshots |
| 00:25.50 | Ixion | What does it mean when xf86 tells me that it couldn't open the default font? |
| 00:25.50 | sgeigerbot | arauko: image magic |
| 00:25.56 | sgeigerbot | imagemagic |
| 00:26.05 | sgeigerbot | imagemagick <-- sorry, th eothers were wrong... |
| 00:26.10 | arauko | yeah |
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| 00:26.20 | sgeigerbot | arauko: apt-cache search magic would have told you the answer |
| 00:26.24 | sgeigerbot | arauko: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 00:26.26 | sladegen | Ixion: you need to install fonts? |
| 00:26.27 | arauko | sgeigerbot, yeah, thks |
| 00:26.45 | Ixion | No, I'm simply trying to get x to work.... it doesn't load because of that error. |
| 00:26.45 | arauko | sgeigerbot, i did.. a lot of results |
| 00:26.52 | arauko | was still looking for it |
| 00:27.30 | arauko | aha.. the output of apt-cache just scrolled up witha lot of packages :-) |
| 00:27.31 | sladegen | Ixion: how are you running it? |
| 00:27.31 | uitra | Sound server information: Error while installing sound driver: device /dev/dsp cant be opened. What do I do |
| 00:27.35 | Ixion | startx |
| 00:27.39 | sgeigerbot | ~seen greycat |
| 00:27.42 | | greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 45m 17s ago, saying: 'jelque: depends on the PC.'. |
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| 00:28.18 | sladegen | Ixion: hmmm weird never had that problem... |
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| 00:29.44 | Ixion | Well, damn the man. |
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| 00:29.48 | jimmy_dean | what is the script called for starting apache2 on debian and where is it located? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I just freshly installed apache2 with apt-get |
| 00:29.54 | cafuego | Ixion: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 00:30.43 | alem | sladegen: can you help me with qpopper ? |
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| 00:30.47 | sladegen | jimmy_dean: dpkg -L it and see whats in /etc/ |
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| 00:30.52 | cafuego | jimmy_dean: *shrug* apache 1.3.2x works fine too. |
| 00:31.12 | sladegen | alem: no |
| 00:31.14 | jimmy_dean | sladegen: that tells me everything apt-get installed? |
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| 00:31.43 | sladegen | jimmy_dean: no the package... dpkg -L <pkg_name> | less |
| 00:31.53 | sgeigerbot | jimmy_dean: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 00:32.00 | sladegen | man dpkg, damn it |
| 00:32.11 | cafuego | Does debian have a wysiwyg html editor available that's not mozilla composer? |
| 00:32.21 | Hugl3 | is in "hard" to move from woody to sid ? |
| 00:32.25 | cafuego | (and no, openoffice writer/web sucks) |
| 00:32.27 | icecold | no |
| 00:32.31 | sladegen | cafuego: try scream perhaps |
| 00:32.37 | jimmy_dean | sladegen: yes, of course...that's what I was saying...everything that apt-get installed from that package |
| 00:32.38 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: quanta, august, ashe, bluefish, aswedit |
| 00:32.50 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: amaya, ginf |
| 00:32.58 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: bluefish doesn't appear to display the rendered html (except in a browser) |
| 00:33.01 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: amaya - http://www.w3.org/Amaya GINF - http://www.symonds.net/~deep/stuff/vtu/ginf/index.php |
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| 00:33.15 | sladegen | oops meant quanta ;)) |
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| 00:33.44 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Bluefish is a programmer's HTML editor written using GTK, designed to save the experienced webmaster some keystrokes. It features a multiple file editor, multiple toolbars, custom menus, image and thumbnail dialogs, open from the Web, CSS dialogs, PHP, SSI and RXML support, HTML validation, and lots of wizards. |
| 00:33.47 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: All that I know... |
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| 00:34.23 | hackeron | ok, me is in new mm-sources, hope the GPL nforce net driver works better than the 'official' one |
| 00:34.37 | bztunk | hackeron: it booted? :D |
| 00:34.46 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Yeah, it looks nice but really vim is faster. |
| 00:34.47 | sladegen | or not... screem ... close enough |
| 00:35.00 | hackeron | bztunk: yeah, amazing isnt it :) |
| 00:35.21 | hackeron | bztunk: nope, shame NFS shit problems, GRRRR!!, I'm going to fucking kill someone! |
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| 00:35.45 | bztunk | hackeron: not me |
| 00:35.48 | ixion | What is the default font path in your xf86 config? |
| 00:36.06 | hackeron | bztunk: hmm, no-one around to kill, have to break something, lets see what's in the room, lol :) |
| 00:36.13 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: *shrugs* I use vim, emacs, or Dreamweaver....but I don't do much of that stuff. If I did, I would use Dreamweaver...but, to be fair, I havenj't checkedk out many of the HTML editors I mentioned...but based on how infrequently they are mentioned, I'm sure Dreamwaver is better. |
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| 00:36.24 | ixion | Or... the local font server, perhaps that'd be the problem. |
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| 00:36.29 | tomsa | Hello, how can I set my system so user can access to my usb camera without being root ? |
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| 00:39.03 | Misirlou | Hmm, slow channel. |
| 00:39.13 | hackeron | bztunk: wait, seems to work now... hmm, going to do some stress testing, now running 30 instances of find /mnt/Storage | grep -i stale :) |
| 00:39.23 | hackeron | bztunk: wow, no errors yet... |
| 00:39.32 | God-fearer | apt news |
| 00:39.32 | Misirlou | tomsa: Add "user" to the camera's line in /etc/fstab. |
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| 00:39.59 | ixion | is unix/:7100 the correct default font server? |
| 00:40.00 | netbrain | how can i unpack rar archives? |
| 00:40.22 | Misirlou | netbrain: You unpack them with non-free software! |
| 00:40.28 | bztunk | hackeron: hum ok... heh |
| 00:40.42 | Misirlou | netbrain: Something like unrar probably. |
| 00:40.43 | netbrain | Misirlou: uhm. okay. thanks |
| 00:40.50 | The_Vulture | netbrain: unpack rar archives you say.. |
| 00:40.51 | tomsa | the camera is not set in fstab, I just use gphoto2 to access to it |
| 00:40.58 | sladegen | ixion: are you running font server? if not # that line... |
| 00:40.59 | caphuso | netbrain: you unpack zip archives with unzip, shar archives with unshar and rar with <insert clever guess here> |
| 00:40.59 | hackeron | bztunk: suggest NFS stress testing methods please :) |
| 00:41.12 | ixion | Oook. |
| 00:41.27 | bztunk | hackeron: no idea |
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| 00:41.44 | Misirlou | tomsa: Hmm. I'm not familiar with how gphoto2 works. |
| 00:42.02 | hackeron | bztunk: ah, I think that's because my dad switched off his PC, hmm.. |
| 00:42.13 | netbrain | what is the address for non-free ? |
| 00:42.22 | tomsa | Misirlou: thanks anyway |
| 00:42.26 | bztunk | netbrain: www.microsoft.com |
| 00:42.36 | Misirlou | tomsa: You're welcome. :/ |
| 00:42.39 | sladegen | netbrain: try apt-get install unrar |
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| 00:42.50 | hackeron | bztunk: lol |
| 00:43.03 | netbrain | sladegen: can't install ;( cuz the package ain't there |
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| 00:43.35 | hackeron | netbrain: gentoo.org ;) |
| 00:44.01 | sladegen | i see... thought unrar was OS ;( |
| 00:44.38 | skyweb | hi to all |
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| 00:44.52 | ixion | It couldn't init any of my font paths. |
| 00:44.57 | ixion | Something seems to be... amiss. |
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| 00:45.15 | nncryptx | is there a 'official' limit for sending emails in the same socket? mail from... mail from... mail from... didnt find in rfc |
| 00:45.21 | songpenguin | how do I add a module to a kernel that is already compiled? |
| 00:45.25 | nncryptx | opz |
| 00:45.27 | skyweb | can postfix send email from some user of server (localhost only mail send)? |
| 00:45.29 | nncryptx | rcpt to |
| 00:45.32 | tizz | does anybody know, why i cannot run "parted" because of the error "floating point exception"? |
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| 00:46.02 | hackeron | bztunk: found a good stress test :) |
| 00:46.30 | hackeron | bztunk: find ./ -exec cat {} \; |
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| 00:47.49 | ixion | Yeah... my font paths do not exist... what the crap? |
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| 00:47.51 | sladegen | tizz: a bug...? if its repeatable perheps report it |
| 00:47.56 | bztunk | hackeron: lol |
| 00:47.59 | hackeron | bztunk: wow, rock stable |
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| 00:48.15 | tizz | sladegen: yes, but why did it work a few month ago? |
| 00:48.31 | sladegen | tizz: new version? |
| 00:48.43 | mutek | ixion: umm - have you installed any fonts? |
| 00:48.50 | hackeron | bztunk: I just ran 30 instances of find, and that cat command, while playing a movie, movie lags a little but fast forwarding, rewinding, etc works flawless, no errors... hmm.. I think this may have something to do with my dad's PC then.. going to go turn it on and test again :) |
| 00:48.56 | tizz | sladegen: no, no updates i could remember which could be essential... |
| 00:48.57 | ixion | They aren't there be default? |
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| 00:49.09 | sladegen | tizz: perheps weired interaction with older libs |
| 00:49.11 | celedhrim | hello ( I'm french |
| 00:49.22 | celedhrim | so |
| 00:49.22 | hackeron | bztunk: actually, too lazy, will do it 2moro, but can finally watch a movie :) |
| 00:49.32 | sladegen | ixion: told you so !:) |
| 00:49.36 | ixion | DIE |
| 00:49.36 | bztunk | hackeron: hahaha ok |
| 00:49.37 | celedhrim | I have a problem with debian testing and apache |
| 00:49.40 | sticky | What caused this message: "Unknown HZ value! (89) Assume 100." anyone? |
| 00:49.42 | tizz | sladegen: hm... the same problem with qtparted (the graphical version)... |
| 00:49.44 | celedhrim | segfault .. :/ |
| 00:49.46 | ixion | Where do I get fonts then, oh wise sladegen |
| 00:49.58 | hackeron | bztunk: thanks for your help, seems this driver just might be a little more stable ;) |
| 00:50.00 | mutek | songpenguin: depends on the module & the kernel. If you're dead lucky, you can get headers for the kernel you've got, or even source, copy the config from /boot/config-<kernel-name> to /usr/src/linux/.config and do a make dep; then maybe your new module might compile and install? |
| 00:50.13 | sladegen | ixion: apt-cache -n search font | less |
| 00:50.20 | hackeron | bztunk: shit, getting stale NFS shares again, GRRRR |
| 00:50.22 | ixion | Ah, very good. |
| 00:50.29 | sabin | i get "kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2" in my dmesg, what module do I need, I looked but I really can't locate this scsi host adapter |
| 00:50.51 | sladegen | tizz: like i said if it happens in the same conditions always its a definite bug... |
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| 00:51.17 | hackeron | bztunk: hmm, movies still play fine though... hmm |
| 00:51.18 | songpenguin | mutek: thanks |
| 00:51.31 | ixion | How do I locate where these beasts are? |
| 00:51.32 | mutek | songpenguin: ok |
| 00:51.44 | ixion | I see all sorts of xfonts listed... what the particular path? |
| 00:51.59 | mutek | ixion: they'll install in the correct location. |
| 00:52.05 | sladegen | ixion: man apt-get |
| 00:52.19 | mutek | apt-get install <package> will do it. |
| 00:52.32 | tizz | sladegen: ok, thanks... haven't the time at the moment, gotta go to bed... but i'll have a look 2morrow in google, before report anything |
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| 00:52.52 | sladegen | tizz: beter look in bugs.debian.org |
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| 00:53.00 | r0ute | whats a .so file ? |
| 00:53.10 | LoRez | shared object |
| 00:53.15 | LoRez | aka a library |
| 00:53.16 | zinx | r0ute: tried 'file' on it? |
| 00:53.19 | lebowski | shared object, similar to a dll under windows |
| 00:53.33 | r0ute | lebowski: ta |
| 00:53.49 | mutek | r0ute: has something failed to find a library? |
| 00:54.01 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know why a kernel upgrade might cause my mouse's scrollbutton to stop sending scroll events to xev? |
| 00:54.19 | mutek | sgeigerbot: change of mouse driver? |
| 00:54.23 | zinx | sgeigerbot: perhaps the PS/2 mouse and keyboard rewrites? |
| 00:54.25 | r0ute | mutek: nah just trying to install amsn from the source and i need the tsl library |
| 00:54.25 | sgeigerbot | It's a USB mouse that works fine otherwise. |
| 00:54.31 | mutek | r0ute: k |
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| 00:54.42 | zinx | sgeigerbot: oh, you're probably using ImPS/2 instead of ExplorerPS/2 or something like that |
| 00:54.44 | sgeigerbot | mutek: Is there a special driver for scrolling? |
| 00:54.59 | sgeigerbot | zinx: I'm using all the same settings I was using before the upgrade? |
| 00:55.05 | sgeigerbot | s/?/./ |
| 00:55.15 | mutek | sgeigerbot: I've had this happen in the past - try zinx's suggestion. |
| 00:55.18 | zinx | sgeigerbot: yes, but are you using ImPS/2 instead of ExplorerPS/2? |
| 00:55.37 | sgeigerbot | zinx: Yes. |
| 00:55.44 | tommyj | LoRez: you there? |
| 00:55.45 | zinx | sgeigerbot: use ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 00:55.55 | zinx | sgeigerbot: That's what the kernel emulates, despite claims to the contrary :) |
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| 00:56.03 | mutek | sgeigerbot: there was a bug in an earlier ps/2 driver which caused me to use imps/2, which then changed, but the ps/2 driver got fixed. |
| 00:56.06 | ixion | Alright, I think I'm on the right track then. We'll see how things go from here. |
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| 00:56.58 | ixion | But... knowing my track record, I'll probably fix this problem, finally ending up with another problem. |
| 00:56.59 | sgeigerbot | zinx: Would you please check on the capitalization of "ExplorerPS/2" in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for me? |
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| 00:57.13 | zinx | sgeigerbot: it doesn't matter, but it's ExplorerPS/2 |
| 00:57.25 | sladegen | ixion: what is answer without new questions worth ;?) |
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| 00:57.31 | sgeigerbot | zinx: Wow, I find that hard to believe |
| 00:57.45 | ixion | sladegen: Convenience. |
| 00:57.46 | zinx | sgeigerbot: hehe :) |
| 00:57.50 | libre | Hmm. Does anyone have a good suggestion as to an address book? (abook, gnomecard, kde's address book, etc) |
| 00:57.53 | mutek | sgeigerbot: I don't think that X is case sensitive in these things, is it? |
| 00:57.57 | zinx | sgeigerbot: explorerps/2 seems to work as well |
| 00:58.02 | libre | something that is easy to integrate and migrate preferably |
| 00:58.05 | ixion | Though, everything seems to be working alright now. |
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| 00:58.06 | mutek | libre: my psion 5mx is pretty good :-) |
| 00:58.09 | ixion | X actually loaded. |
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| 00:58.17 | zinx | sgeigerbot: in the driver, it's ExplorerPS/2, so that's what i use |
| 00:58.25 | derobert | Am I the only one who can't get to alioth? |
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| 00:58.35 | libre | mutek: yeah, well - palm sync would be handy as well as GPE sync |
| 00:58.48 | ixion | Which is superior? kdm or xdm? |
| 00:58.58 | sladegen | kdm |
| 00:59.02 | ixion | That's what I thought. |
| 00:59.02 | tacocat | wdm |
| 00:59.19 | tacocat | If you aren't using KDE, then I'm not sure how great kdm would be.... |
| 00:59.19 | ixion | Woah... a tacocat. |
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| 00:59.30 | mutek | ixion: kdm is much prettier, with some very fine features for window manager selection, but it's a much heavier load. |
| 00:59.42 | ixion | Well, I'm looking for ease of use. |
| 00:59.44 | jodathmorr | howdy. can someone help me with configuring my install? |
| 00:59.47 | sladegen | tacocat: its better than xdm |
| 00:59.49 | ixion | This isn't my machine, it someone else's |
| 00:59.51 | tacocat | "wings" (wdm) isn't bad.. easy to use. |
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| 01:00.13 | tacocat | sladegen: Probably. I don't do xdm unless I have to. I prefer wdm |
| 01:00.15 | mutek | tacocat: kdm isn't all that tightly coupled to kde. |
| 01:00.21 | ixion | I'll look into it... but I must say, tacocat is a fine name. |
| 01:00.27 | jodathmorr | anyone? |
| 01:00.28 | tacocat | :) thanks |
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| 01:00.38 | jodathmorr | tacocat: I swear by KDE |
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| 01:00.41 | ixion | Reminds me of my late cat named Paco. |
| 01:00.48 | sgeigerbot | zinx: That didn't help. The scroll button still cannot send scroll events. |
| 01:00.48 | sladegen | kdm is pretier than wdm... bah |
| 01:00.54 | jodathmorr | tacocat: err i mean kdm |
| 01:00.58 | libre | for some reason I still like to just 'startx' on my workstations ;) |
| 01:01.12 | libre | runlevel 2 all the way |
| 01:01.13 | sgeigerbot | zinx: note: The scroll button *can* send click events, though. |
| 01:01.17 | jodathmorr | speaking of workstations. can someone help me with my install? |
| 01:01.18 | ixion | But, it's agreed that xdm is the most inferior, yes? |
| 01:01.25 | mutek | libre: hehe - I'm a console man myself... |
| 01:01.28 | sgeigerbot | jodathmorr: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 01:01.29 | libre | ixion: yes, inferior as in the most basic |
| 01:01.40 | ixion | That's the answer I was looking for, thank you libre. |
| 01:01.43 | jodathmorr | ok well i've attempted 2 installs of debian |
| 01:01.44 | libre | ixion: but it works :) |
| 01:01.47 | zinx | sgeigerbot: *shrug* |
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| 01:01.53 | sladegen | no clock no nothing.... bah |
| 01:01.53 | jodathmorr | the install isn't the problem, its the configure |
| 01:01.57 | tacocat | jodathmorr: kdm or kde? |
| 01:02.02 | ixion | I suppose that depends on your definition of 'works' |
| 01:02.03 | jodathmorr | it seems that my display and mouse are the problem |
| 01:02.05 | zinx | sgeigerbot: maybe missing ZAxisMapping, but that should have shown up with 2.4 |
| 01:02.07 | libre | ixion: there is also gdm, which you may have seen |
| 01:02.22 | jodathmorr | when i try to startx it gave me a display error but i fixed that by using vega drivers |
| 01:02.24 | sgeigerbot | zinx: An example would be awesome. |
| 01:02.28 | zinx | sgeigerbot: you can try using /dev/input/mouse0 or such, instead of mice.. but i really doubt that will do anything |
| 01:02.31 | jodathmorr | but now my mouse is giving me the problem |
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| 01:02.42 | zinx | sgeigerbot: you should have a ZAxisMapping already, if it was working before as you say |
| 01:02.47 | libre | jodathmorr: specs - monitor type/connection, video card type/bus/driver, mouse type/connection? |
| 01:02.57 | jodathmorr | i use a Microsoft Intellimouse USB and I dunno which option to select in the install |
| 01:03.00 | zinx | sgeigerbot: for mine, it's: Option "ZAxisMapping" "5 6" but i have a thumb button. usually it's "4 5" |
| 01:03.10 | sgeigerbot | zinx: Yeah, you are right: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 01:03.18 | jodathmorr | my monitor is a Dell 17" crt and my videocard is a GeForce 4 |
| 01:03.57 | ixion | Alright, I'm going to restart and see if everything works properlly. I do appreciate the help, fellows. |
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| 01:04.21 | jodathmorr | err. while im at it, are KDE and KDM different? (Im a total newbie btw :)) |
| 01:04.38 | ixion | The short answer, yes. I must restart. |
| 01:04.42 | ixion | brb |
| 01:04.45 | tacocat | KDM is the window login screen. KDE is the window manager |
| 01:04.47 | sgeigerbot | jodathmorr: What are the options? In gpm, you can use psaux/ps2 |
| 01:04.49 | mutek | jodathmorr: you should be usign the 'nv' driver, then, rather than vesa, I suspect, but you can sort that out later. I don't know about usb mice - never used one. |
| 01:04.56 | sladegen | ixion: what are you restarting? |
| 01:05.07 | jodathmorr | i tried the nv drivers and thats what made me have to reinstall |
| 01:05.14 | ixion | My system. I want to see it all go up in flames. |
| 01:05.15 | jodathmorr | it only supported up to GeF3s |
| 01:05.38 | sladegen | ixion: no need to restar system if you configure X... restart X |
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| 01:05.44 | veleno | how do i tell dselect to update also the testing packages? |
| 01:05.46 | ixion | Restarting x isn't a problem. |
| 01:05.56 | ixion | I'll try that first, I suppose. |
| 01:06.20 | jodathmorr | so no one knows what i should do about my mouse? |
| 01:06.23 | DaCa | ixion: if you're looking for flames, you came to the right channel :p |
| 01:06.29 | ixion | Haha. |
| 01:06.34 | jodathmorr | its really weird that the newest debian isos can't hotplu |
| 01:06.35 | jodathmorr | g |
| 01:06.36 | sgeigerbot | jodathmorr: <sgeigerbot> jodathmorr: What are the options? In gpm, you can use psaux/ps2 |
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| 01:06.45 | brc007 | is there a semi-offical CD label for debian anywhere? |
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| 01:07.01 | sladegen | EMI? |
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| 01:07.02 | jodathmorr | i tried psaux and it gave me the error that X couldn't initialize the pereferial |
| 01:07.08 | mutek | jodathmorr: ah - okay. Mouse - no, don't know. Perhaps a quick google for usb mouse and xserver-xfree86 might help? |
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| 01:07.09 | sgeigerbot | brc007: debroster - A package for use at expos. |
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| 01:07.52 | derobert | !info debroster |
| 01:07.54 | dpkg | debroster: (A package for use at expos.), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.11 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 01:08.02 | brc007 | sgeigerbot, thanks I'll look for it |
| 01:08.06 | brc007 | ahh |
| 01:08.08 | brc007 | even better |
| 01:08.55 | brc007 | DErobert == creator of DEbroster? :p |
| 01:10.01 | derobert | brc007: no, though I wish :-) |
| 01:10.08 | brc007 | heh |
| 01:10.09 | jodathmorr | oh yea also |
| 01:10.40 | jodathmorr | i try to edit my XF86Config with vim and emacs and it says it dosn't recognize those commands. are there no editors on my machine? |
| 01:11.09 | sladegen | jodathmorr: nano? vi? |
| 01:11.29 | sladegen | or just editor |
| 01:11.38 | jodathmorr | well im going to try another install just from the cds |
| 01:11.40 | jodathmorr | brb |
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| 01:12.18 | mutek | ahh - why does reinstalling seem so tempting? |
| 01:12.30 | tacocat | msft |
| 01:12.30 | sladegen | old habits... die never |
| 01:13.09 | mutek | yeah ... it's hard trying to get the concept over that you can actually fix things in linux, so it's really worth trying. |
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| 01:15.33 | sladegen | concept? fix? trying? .... bah who cares... convenience is the keyword ;)) |
| 01:15.42 | mutek | hehe |
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| 01:18.47 | kzar | is there a command to kind of cat a webpage somewhere on the net? then i could grep it for somthing or whatever |
| 01:19.01 | sladegen | lynx |
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| 01:19.27 | kzar | sladegen: i already tried piping links into a grep and it didnt seem to work |
| 01:19.40 | mutek | kzar: lynx -dump? |
| 01:19.47 | mutek | kzar: man lynx |
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| 01:19.56 | kzar | mutek: il give it a go :) |
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| 01:20.16 | X-Treme | hi, I have a problem with installing debian on an old puter from the netinstall image, debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1) console 4 says something about creating symlinks in /boot operation not permitted |
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| 01:20.19 | sladegen | hmm... kzar... still you have to dl the page so you can use wget.. blah blah blah ;) |
| 01:20.22 | ixion | Oh, wdm is beautiful. |
| 01:20.25 | ixion | Who suggested that one? |
| 01:20.28 | ixion | Tacocat? |
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| 01:21.19 | mutek | X-Treme: out of disk space, maybe? |
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| 01:21.48 | X-Treme | shouldn't 80mb for /boot and 3.2gig for / do ? |
| 01:22.00 | kzar | mutek: is there a way, to pipe somthing into a file? |
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| 01:22.21 | X-Treme | checking, partition is only 6% full :/ |
| 01:22.21 | veleno | kzar: something > filename |
| 01:22.29 | kzar | veleno: thanks |
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| 01:22.47 | mutek | kzar: lynx --dump > file or wget filename |
| 01:22.54 | ccg | i've just put a 2nd networking card into my box and compiled kernel with support to it , how to install that card on my debian system now ? |
| 01:23.16 | sladegen | ccg: man interfaces |
| 01:23.22 | mutek | kzar: man lynx & man wget |
| 01:23.53 | amortal | ccg: did you hard link it or modularize it? |
| 01:23.55 | veleno | ccg: edit /etc/network/interfaces wit appropriate params |
| 01:24.10 | ccg | amortal: hard link |
| 01:24.17 | veleno | ccg: if it's a module, add it to /etc/modules |
| 01:24.29 | jovian | does anyone know of problems with sdl, and creating gl contexts when compiling their apps then trying to run |
| 01:24.30 | kzar | would there be a way to put things around each line of the file that ive piped in, like a html tag? |
| 01:24.55 | jovian | im having problems specifically with the glGetString command |
| 01:24.58 | sladegen | kzar: sed |
| 01:25.09 | veleno | kzar: can u exeplify that? |
| 01:25.42 | sladegen | or perls or awk or ... you fav script lang |
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| 01:26.33 | Hugl3 | why when i do apt-get install php4 , i get apache-common installed automaticaly, i need apache2 |
| 01:26.36 | DMJC | hmmm somehow I just feel wrong using this dvd burner to rip a music cd.. |
| 01:26.36 | kzar | veleno: well say i use my command to dump a webpage, grep it for all of the links and stick those in a file. But then they need <br> tags to make them look neat |
| 01:26.58 | roz | has anyone ever had a mouse that wouldnt work with X.... it works with GPM |
| 01:27.28 | dippo | what kind of mouse is it? |
| 01:27.28 | amortal | roz: change xconfig to use gpmdata |
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| 01:27.49 | roz | i tried that.... but do i need to change the protocol or driver? |
| 01:27.53 | sladegen | Hugl3: i may lie but there are problems with apache2 and php on debian... but i may lie |
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| 01:28.17 | Hugl3 | sladegen, i see... |
| 01:28.37 | caphuso | sladegen: s/ on debian// |
| 01:28.57 | Hugl3 | caphuso, so what could be a problem? |
| 01:29.04 | sladegen | Hugl3: as in packages.. heh caphuso yes i heard that too ;() |
| 01:29.12 | caphuso | Hugl3: the problem is that apache2 and php don't work together too well |
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| 01:29.31 | Hugl3 | caphuso, i have them working nice on my bsd machine |
| 01:30.25 | caphuso | Hugl3: you have? great, you should send your hacked php sources to the php developers, i think they really would like to have a working php for apache2 |
| 01:30.35 | sladegen | Hugl3: then off you go compiling it ;)) |
| 01:31.09 | Hugl3 | caphuso, actually, I haven't hacked anything ;) |
| 01:31.41 | ixion | slade, what sort of windows manager do you use? |
| 01:32.16 | sladegen | ixion: i used to fvwm2 |
| 01:32.26 | ixion | Have you got some screenies? |
| 01:32.28 | sladegen | atm its console only |
| 01:32.34 | ixion | Oh, poo. |
| 01:33.12 | sladegen | i have but not that pretty... just showing some stupidty of some www site |
| 01:33.29 | ixion | I want a pretty one for my friend. |
| 01:33.44 | brc007 | damn...half the sites I go to that are supposed to have linux logos on them are dead |
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| 01:34.22 | brc007 | anybody know of a website that has most of the logos archived? |
| 01:34.32 | sprout_ | is is possible to export an Xserver display to a windows box? |
| 01:34.53 | Fyre610 | brc007: debian or in general? |
| 01:35.01 | ljlane | brc: http://www.debian.org/logos/ is a good start |
| 01:35.03 | brc007 | general...debian too |
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| 01:35.16 | brc007 | but the ones that I'm getting 404's at every turn for are general linux |
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| 01:35.21 | Fyre610 | see ljlane's suggestion, same as mine |
| 01:35.28 | brc007 | tux's with powerd by linux text etc |
| 01:36.00 | ixion | Is icewm any good? |
| 01:36.11 | brc007 | thanks ljlane |
| 01:36.13 | ljlane | for some values of good, yes it is |
| 01:36.23 | ixion | Hah. |
| 01:36.28 | ixion | That's a pretty safe answer. |
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| 01:36.44 | ixion | Anything that vague can have truth to it. |
| 01:36.44 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 01:36.47 | Fyre610 | brc007: http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/test.html |
| 01:36.48 | amortal | sprout_: you have to use a program like X-Win32 |
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| 01:37.51 | ixion | Oh, I like icewm already. |
| 01:38.00 | ixion | Is this anything like the vanilla wm? |
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| 01:38.20 | Fulcrum99 | Is it possible for a printer to be out of ink but not realize it? In the past my printer flashes a warning light for no ink, but now it's trying to print but nothing actually hits the paper! |
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| 01:38.30 | johnsu01 | any ideas what procmail might be doing with my incoming mail? it claims to be putting messages in /var/mail/johnsu01, but that file contains only a few header lines.. |
| 01:38.31 | Fulcrum99 | (Only color ink seems to work) |
| 01:38.35 | ljlane | brc007, lwn.net's gallerly has a buncha penguin graphics too |
| 01:38.42 | brc007 | fyre610 thanks |
| 01:38.43 | sprout_ | amortal: thanks, do you know of any that are open source? |
| 01:38.45 | ljlane | gallery, too |
| 01:38.47 | johnsu01 | i must have broken something setting up spamassassin.. |
| 01:38.59 | brc007 | ljlane okay I'll check there |
| 01:39.05 | Fyre610 | brc007: also try http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~jeremiah/linux-pix/linux-logo.html |
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| 01:40.05 | sladegen | ixion: try http://copocoto.sdf-eu.org/pic/snapshot2.png |
| 01:40.09 | Fyre610 | looking for linux logos is like eating peanuts, can't stop at just one |
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| 01:40.26 | sladegen | but its very hacked up... ;) |
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| 01:41.17 | pneuma | does anyone know if there's a way to get fspanel to recognize openbox 3's multiple desktops? |
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| 01:42.50 | dondelelcaro | pneuma: why use a panel? just middle click on the root. |
| 01:43.37 | chris` | pneuma: you're mistaken. The desktop's aren't "openbox 3's", they're independent of your WM |
| 01:43.52 | chris` | So get a build of fspanel that works with multiple desktops and you're done |
| 01:44.00 | dondelelcaro | chris`: I think he's talking about workspaces... |
| 01:44.12 | chris` | dondelelcaro: So am I |
| 01:44.18 | ixion | I need like... a good wm. |
| 01:44.26 | dondelelcaro | chris`: uh, they're very much a part of openbox3 |
| 01:44.30 | asg | ixion: depends on your definition of good |
| 01:44.48 | chris` | dondelelcaro: openbox3 doesn't magical create them, it adhears to the standard |
| 01:45.07 | sladegen | ixion: there is no good wm only one that suites you and you needs... bleh |
| 01:45.16 | dondelelcaro | chris`: oh, it probably adhears to the standard, but it definetly creates them. |
| 01:45.16 | chris` | Just saying his issue isn't openbox specific |
| 01:45.24 | mfbian | any postgresql user here? |
| 01:45.29 | ixion | There isn't a one size fits all wm? |
| 01:45.31 | dondelelcaro | mfbian: just ask your question. |
| 01:45.33 | dondelelcaro | ixion: no. |
| 01:45.43 | asg | ixion: fvwm can be with proper configuration |
| 01:45.48 | ixion | fvwm |
| 01:45.51 | dondelelcaro | ixion: that's like a one size fits all significant other. not happening. |
| 01:45.51 | ixion | I'll look into it. |
| 01:45.51 | mfbian | how can i make postgresql to open 5432 port to listen to request. i'm using 7.3.4 |
| 01:46.11 | pneuma | both seem to be pretty minimalistic when it comes to documentation too |
| 01:46.11 | dondelelcaro | mfbian: why open an arbitrary port? just use the standard tcp ones. |
| 01:46.38 | ixion | I want a wm that has excellent documentation while being a far departure from `doze |
| 01:46.56 | asg | dondelelcaro: that is the default postgres port |
| 01:47.08 | dondelelcaro | asg: yeah, I had forgotten... |
| 01:47.14 | mfbian | dondelelcaro: when i try: pgsql -h hostname databasename, it says psql: could not connect to server: Connection refused Is the server running on host "192.168.0.1" and accepting TCP/IP connections on port 5432? |
| 01:47.24 | kzar | is there a way to write a few sed commands to a file and then point sed to that file, instead of typing the whole thing out? |
| 01:47.26 | Nurbs | mfbian: man netstat |
| 01:47.31 | caphuso | kzar: yes |
| 01:47.40 | asg | mfbian: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/postgresql/* it should mention what you need to do in there |
| 01:47.41 | Nurbs | mfbian: and check if postmaster is running with ps |
| 01:47.44 | dondelelcaro | mfbian: debian's packages listen on 5432 by default. check netstat -plunt to make sure that postgresql is actually lisenting on *:5432 |
| 01:47.52 | kzar | caphuso: how do i use the file? |
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| 01:48.14 | pneuma | another problem i have is i launch them with the lines openbox & fspanel in .xinitrc yet when openbox is closed fspanel doesn't |
| 01:48.31 | caphuso | kzar: "sed -f file", just like "man sed" tells you |
| 01:48.32 | De_Mon | kzar did you even look at the man page? |
| 01:48.35 | asg | pneuma: start openbox as the last thing in .xinitrc |
| 01:48.42 | mfbian | yah it's there on port 5432 |
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| 01:49.02 | mfbian | can i use 7.4 pgsql client to access 7.3.4 server? |
| 01:49.43 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: If you don't know, try it.. If you don't get an answer here, try #postgresql |
| 01:50.04 | mfbian | #postgresql is zzz |
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| 01:50.28 | Nurbs | mfbian: read the docs and config files |
| 01:50.35 | mfbian | c2ff0b40 stream 0 0 c309b8c0 0 0 0 /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
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| 01:50.56 | sladegen | mfbian: and you *may* have to tell postgres if and which ips to let.... in |
| 01:51.05 | Nurbs | mfbian: and where's TCP? |
| 01:51.18 | Nurbs | mfbian: check pg_hba.conf |
| 01:51.32 | brc007 | thanks for the logo links guys |
| 01:51.39 | johnsu01 | anyone know why procmail is only writing "X-Spam-Checker-Version:, X-Spam-Level:, and X-Spam-Status:" header lines to my mail spool, with no message bodies? |
| 01:51.45 | Nurbs | mfbian: read the postgresql documentation, too. takes only 1 hour or something |
| 01:51.46 | brc007 | I think I'm going to probably use these http://web.archive.org/web/19970521152722/http://www.webgeeks.com/linux-logo/ |
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| 01:52.06 | brc007 | wish there was a version that just said linux without the powered |
| 01:52.06 | caphuso | johnsu01: that looks suspiciously like a severe misuse of spamassassin |
| 01:52.08 | pneuma | asg: but the xsetroot and xset lines can go anywhere in .xinitrc? |
| 01:52.15 | brc007 | I'll probably try to edit it |
| 01:52.24 | Fyre610 | brc007: good choice |
| 01:52.34 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: To allow TCP/IP access, even from localhost, the postmaster must also be started with the -i option or the option TCPIP_SOCKET must be set in /etc/postgresql/postgresql.conf. |
| 01:52.40 | asg | pneuma: yes (make sure you background them all with '%' except the wm) |
| 01:52.48 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: soryr...you already did that.. |
| 01:52.50 | johnsu01 | caphuso: yes, most likely, as spamassassin is a recent addition. procmail log says messages are going to the spool though (and some to probably-spam etc).. |
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| 01:53.08 | pneuma | asg: % ? i thought it was supposed to be & ? |
| 01:53.10 | asg | pneuma: erm, '&' sorry |
| 01:53.12 | brc007 | I'm going to try to make some nice looking CD labels for the major linux distros |
| 01:53.16 | caphuso | johnsu01: paste the spamassassine recipe of your procmailrc in #flood |
| 01:53.16 | pneuma | whew |
| 01:53.22 | brc007 | I've looked around and I can't really find any |
| 01:53.33 | asg | pneuma: symbol dyslexia |
| 01:53.36 | brc007 | (labels that is) |
| 01:53.46 | akusarujin | where can I obtain a manual page for the /etc/passwd file, as in, more information on the order it goes in, I believe it is username:password:uid:gid:homedir:shell, but i'd like a manpage just to take a looksee..? |
| 01:53.53 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: host all 129.35.144.96 255.255.255.224 trust (add this to /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf) ...and then do /etc/init.d/postgresql restart (as of version 7.2) |
| 01:54.12 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: On Debian, uncomment these two lines in /etc/postgres/postmaster.ini: PGALLOWTCPIP=yes PGPORT=5432 ...and then restart the database with /etc/init.d/postgres |
| 01:54.13 | caphuso | akusarujin: man 5 passwd |
| 01:54.24 | mfbian | yah i got you |
| 01:54.26 | brc007 | any idea if sourceforge will let me start a project to host the images? or do they only accept programs? |
| 01:54.30 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: I think that exhausts the list of things I have done to set it up. |
| 01:54.42 | juan | how can i fake the open() syscall ? like with fakeroot |
| 01:54.53 | akusarujin | caphuso, thanks |
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| 01:55.05 | Sinistrad | juan, a pipe (fifo/named pipe)? Juan what are you trying to do? |
| 01:55.19 | jes__ | how do i start smb and nmb services in debian? |
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| 01:55.34 | asg | jes__: /etc/init.d/samba start (provided you have it installed) |
| 01:55.35 | sgeigerbot | jes__: Do you have samba installed? |
| 01:55.47 | juan | Sinistrad: printf every open() call |
| 01:56.09 | johnsu01 | caphuso: pasted it into flood |
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| 01:56.55 | jes__ | sgeigerbot: yes & thank you! i'm switching to debian from redhat and the location and name is different |
| 01:56.58 | De_Mon | brc007 if they do, they shouldnt |
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| 01:57.16 | sladegen | juan: you know of strace? |
| 01:57.20 | Sinistrad | juan, strace does that? :) Are you writing some code or something? |
| 01:57.20 | pneuma | what is "XPM support" with respect to a terminal? |
| 01:57.22 | brc007 | okay..guess I'll find some space elsewhere |
| 01:57.25 | Hugl3 | why can't I see mysql from lan. but can connect to it from console? |
| 01:57.43 | asg | Hugl3: the 'skip-networking' option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 01:57.44 | juan | sladegen: strace on bsd ? |
| 01:57.55 | mfbian | sgeigerbot: is 255.255.255.224 netmask for the one before? |
| 01:58.03 | Hugl3 | asg, thank You |
| 01:58.07 | Sinistrad | sladegen, strace (or a variant) is available for most unix-like platforms |
| 01:58.08 | asg | Hugl3: you're welcome |
| 01:58.09 | sladegen | juan: its #debian |
| 01:58.12 | Sinistrad | juuan, strace (or a variant) is available for most unix-like platforms |
| 01:58.16 | pneuma | Hugl3: and because the root password in it is probably blank |
| 01:58.23 | juan | Sinistrad: okay thanks |
| 01:58.31 | Sinistrad | juan, on suun they call it "truss" |
| 01:58.43 | juan | Sinistrad: thanks for the tip |
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| 01:59.19 | _DemonCat_ | how do I change ulimit -c for a certain user on debian? |
| 01:59.21 | _DemonCat_ | the default seems to be 0 |
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| 01:59.26 | Sinistrad | juan if you search google, there is a site that lists all the flavors' variants...I found it once :) |
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| 02:00.00 | asg | _DemonCat_: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 02:00.30 | Hugl3 | asg, i have no such dir;) after search i'be notived that there is no file called my.cnf on my / partition |
| 02:00.43 | asg | _DemonCat_: and enable the proper pam option in /etc/pam.d/* |
| 02:01.01 | asg | Hugl3: it should be in /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Do you have mysql installed? are you using debian? |
| 02:01.07 | crow | anyone recommend an app that will transfer files on a local network from a deb machine to a windows machine? |
| 02:01.16 | asg | crow: samba |
| 02:01.24 | `juan | does someone knows a spam adresse database ? i used to have one but it's gone :( rsync://doema.wirehub.nl:6666/spamblock/spamlist-extended.txt |
| 02:01.57 | sladegen | ftp |
| 02:02.05 | ClintZ28 | anyone know what kernel module the AC97 sound cards use? |
| 02:02.12 | Justin_ | !tell ClintZ28 about ac97 |
| 02:02.20 | ixion | Is there some sort of update command? |
| 02:02.33 | crow | asg: ok, that'll work, but the other machine is not mine, so I would rather an app that won't "mount" the windows machine.... |
| 02:02.39 | Hugl3 | asg, yes debain. and mysql |
| 02:02.43 | sladegen | ixion: yes |
| 02:02.58 | asg | Hugl3: well, you don't have it installed if you do not have an /etc/mysql directory |
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| 02:03.13 | crow | clintZ28: yes I know that modules |
| 02:03.14 | Hugl3 | asg. sorry :) i was ssh'ing to another box. found that dir, but skip-detworking is in that file.. |
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| 02:03.25 | jodathmorr | hmm |
| 02:03.32 | sladegen | crow: then setup ftp server on linux and let window use it |
| 02:03.32 | jodathmorr | well i installe debain sucessfully |
| 02:03.32 | ixion | sladegen: What is that command? |
| 02:03.37 | asg | crow: ftp, scp (the other machine will still need to authenticate you though) |
| 02:03.39 | X-Treme | any way I can access the module loader after the installation completes, it's a net install and my network card isn't initialized... |
| 02:03.40 | crow | clintZ28: hold a sec... |
| 02:03.43 | jodathmorr | but it never generated an XFree86-4 Config file |
| 02:03.52 | asg | Hugl3: :) np. Just comment out the 'skip-networking' option and restart mysql |
| 02:04.09 | asg | X-Treme: modconf |
| 02:04.15 | X-Treme | thanks |
| 02:04.20 | asg | X-Treme: you're welcome |
| 02:04.35 | sladegen | ixion: update what? there are 21 commands starting with update on my system... |
| 02:04.36 | jodathmorr | can someone send me their XF86Config-4 file? |
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| 02:04.47 | Justin_ | !tell jodathmorr about set up x |
| 02:04.49 | ixion | Haha |
| 02:04.51 | asg | jodathmorr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:04.59 | ixion | Forget then... I'll figure this out. |
| 02:05.09 | jodathmorr | i tried. it say X was never installed and theres no info about it |
| 02:05.31 | asg | ixion: if you tell us what you want to 'update' we can help you |
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| 02:05.42 | sladegen | ixion: no really im curious... guess i'll have to train more my mental powers ;)) |
| 02:05.43 | crow | clintZ28: snd_ac97_codec |
| 02:05.49 | Justin_ | jodathmorr: did you bother to install X? |
| 02:05.58 | ClintZ28 | crow: thanks |
| 02:06.13 | Justin_ | crow: what a nice completely useless answer |
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| 02:06.55 | agney | how can I enable two ouputs on my sound card ? it is a parameter when loading module or a device configuration ? |
| 02:06.56 | crow | asg;sladegen: ok then I will use ftp then, thanks |
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| 02:07.11 | bitserf | does debian have an equivalent of debuginfo packages? i would like to debug some problems i am having with a GTK app |
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| 02:07.27 | bitserf | but at present i can't step into gtk calls |
| 02:07.28 | Hugl3 | asg, look: |
| 02:07.28 | Hugl3 | cat /etc/mysql/my.cnf| grep network | grep -v "^#" |
| 02:07.29 | Hugl3 | skip-networking |
| 02:07.36 | crow | clintZ28: I'm on for a bit, so /msg me if you have any problems...what motherb. |
| 02:07.42 | Hugl3 | restarted database, but still can't see it |
| 02:08.05 | bitserf | ah, nevermind...libgtk2.0-dbg :) |
| 02:08.09 | juAn | how can i send text to an application running in a screen, looked in the man but no idea |
| 02:08.10 | ClintZ28 | crow: Abit KD7A |
| 02:08.20 | _DemonCat_ | thx all l8r :) |
| 02:08.23 | Justin_ | Hugl3: look up the word "skip" in a dictionary |
| 02:08.36 | sladegen | crow: of course you can also use samba in the opposite direction i think... just a thought (tm) still setting ftp might be "easier" |
| 02:08.38 | Justin_ | juAn: it is in the man page |
| 02:08.49 | juAn | Justin_: you know how to do it ? |
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| 02:09.21 | ccg | i've just specified my 2nd nic in /etc/network/interfaces, now dont i have to link the max adress of the nic in whatever way with that configuration of the 2nd nic ? |
| 02:09.22 | johnsu01 | caphuso: hm, .procmailbackup was created, but nothing in it. mail.log shows incoming messages checked by spamd and declared clean. |
| 02:09.28 | Justin_ | juAn: it is in the man page, read it |
| 02:09.34 | ccg | mac - adress |
| 02:09.44 | crow | sladegen: what's the companion proggy for a windows machine to plug in on the network, would that be a ftp enabled browser? |
| 02:09.47 | juAn | Justin_: i can't find how :( |
| 02:09.48 | Hugl3 | Justin_ what do you mean? |
| 02:10.02 | Justin_ | Hugl3: i mean you should learn what the word skip means |
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| 02:10.22 | sladegen | crow: web browser? duh |
| 02:10.22 | Justin_ | juAn: search for paste |
| 02:10.59 | sladegen | ccg: im guessing you need NAT... |
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| 02:11.21 | ccg | sladegen: whats that ? |
| 02:11.25 | Hugl3 | Justin_ oh sorry :)) understood now. i need it to comment :) but not comment out... r... i'ts time to sleep for me. as it is 4 in the morning :) |
| 02:11.45 | sladegen | network adress translation |
| 02:12.20 | DHCP | ccg you dont wotch hackers2 ;]]] |
| 02:12.30 | juAn | Justin_: registers ... well how the hell do i write in a register |
| 02:12.45 | Justin_ | juAn: keep. reading. |
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| 02:13.19 | Justin_ | you could have learned how to do it five times over by now |
| 02:13.38 | X-Treme | hmm any idea what module required for accton isa ethernet cards ? |
| 02:13.44 | ClintZ28 | set timestamp off |
| 02:13.50 | juAn | Justin_: hum okay |
| 02:14.33 | sladegen | X-Treme: read kernel docs |
| 02:15.08 | sladegen | they are a separate pkg iirc |
| 02:15.08 | sgeigerbot | mfbian: yes, that is the netmask |
| 02:15.11 | caphuso | johnsu01: hmrm |
| 02:15.23 | caphuso | johnsu01: anything interesting the procmail log file? |
| 02:15.28 | Ryuujin | stupid e100 module x.x. |
| 02:15.33 | sladegen | or dont read them... grep 'em |
| 02:15.38 | johnsu01 | caphuso: um, problem maybe solved.. stupid mistake in the .fetchyahoorc i think. will see for sure in a sec. |
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| 02:17.09 | johnsu01 | caphuso: yes, messages are being written to spool properly now. stupid. thanks for the suggestion to backup the messages though. |
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| 02:18.17 | SuperID | I have an apt-get question....what is the significance of the "#" in apt-get install kernel#2.4.22-1.2135.nptl_27.rhfc1.at.i586.rpm? why is it not kernel-2.4.22-1.2135.nptl_27.rhfc1.at.i586.rpm? |
| 02:19.08 | Justin_ | SuperID: you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:19.42 | sgeigerbot | SuperID: This is Debian, not DeadRat or RootHat or RedShat...or.... |
| 02:20.06 | asg | sgeigerbot: RedShat indicates some sort of vitamin deficiency? |
| 02:20.12 | caphuso | johnsu01: np |
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| 02:20.21 | SuperID | funny, I've always associated apt with debian |
| 02:20.24 | Ryuujin | redscat? |
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| 02:20.25 | sgeigerbot | asg: I don't write the factoids, I only repeat them. |
| 02:20.37 | Ryuujin | doesn't sound like an os i would be using.. |
| 02:20.56 | asg | SuperID: yes, but not with rpm's. I'd ask whomever ported apt to your rpm based environment |
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| 02:21.25 | ixion | brb |
| 02:21.26 | Justin_ | SuperID: you're clearly using fedora, so why aren't you asking in #fedora? |
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| 02:21.34 | Ryuujin | asg: apt does work with rpm's.. only requires some kind of modification.. |
| 02:21.36 | SuperID | ok so answering my own question.....the # has no particular significance to apt-get at all? |
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| 02:21.54 | sillybilly | hey you know how in redhat there is the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, where is this kind of file in debian linux |
| 02:21.55 | sgeigerbot | Ryuujin: You might be thinking of alient... |
| 02:22.00 | asg | Ryuujin: right though we don't support it here |
| 02:22.09 | Ryuujin | asg: aighto |
| 02:22.11 | asg | sillybilly: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:22.15 | Ryuujin | sgeigerbot: excatly |
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| 02:22.16 | sgeigerbot | sillybilly: Setting up networking in Debian is easy. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces Then use "ifdown --all" and "ifup --all" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart". "man 5 interfaces" will give you some info about how to edit the interfaces file. Example of how to set up static, dynamic, and virtual interfaces interfaces: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/interfaces |
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| 02:22.22 | DHCP | SuperID debian work with .deb not with .rpm |
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| 02:22.25 | Ryuujin | # is the equivalant to nr in europe |
| 02:22.30 | ghent | hello, i've got this error while doing apt-get update |
| 02:22.31 | Ryuujin | that's what it's for, nothing else |
| 02:22.32 | ixion | I wonder if I'm simply missing something. |
| 02:22.36 | ghent | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 02:22.36 | sgeigerbot | Ryuujin: That's a very weak excuse for talking about rpms in this channel. |
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| 02:22.43 | Ryuujin | like rev. #1 would be rev. nr1 |
| 02:22.43 | ghent | anyway to fix it ? |
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| 02:23.06 | SuperID | DHCP: I think you miss the point of my question ...... in apt-get install kernel#foo.bar is there particular significance to the # ? |
| 02:23.12 | sladegen | ixion: could be.. |
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| 02:23.25 | Ryuujin | sgeigerbot: well, i only mentioned it. If it botheres you that much if i utter a word, then you should consider placing me on ignore. |
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| 02:23.33 | kzar | does anyone know how to remove the first 6 characters of each line of a file using sed? i cant figure it out |
| 02:23.59 | ricII | sigh |
| 02:23.59 | Justin_ | kzar: use cut |
| 02:23.59 | sillybilly | thx sgeigerbot and asg |
| 02:24.03 | asg | sillybilly: you're welcome |
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| 02:24.04 | sgeigerbot | Ryuujin: It's not you, it's your lack of thinking that bothers me. |
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| 02:24.12 | jedd | prolly a faq, but any idea on alsa-modules for the deb package for 2.4.23 ? |
| 02:24.19 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 02:24.20 | Ryuujin | sgeigerbot: then why do you blame me as the only one doing it? |
| 02:24.32 | sgeigerbot | man...some people want to take every comment too seriously |
| 02:24.37 | moberry | in which file in /etc/ipmasq/rules can i put my own rules? |
| 02:24.40 | L00thar | egos... egos... |
| 02:24.58 | L00thar | ya. |
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| 02:25.09 | Justin_ | jedd: alsa-source, make your own? |
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| 02:25.14 | ixion | Eggos are far superior to egos. |
| 02:25.15 | Ryuujin | but that's not an option :( |
| 02:25.16 | jodathmorr | ok. i got the display working but my mouse is giving me problems again |
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| 02:25.25 | X-Treme | ifconfig eth0 up --> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy, how the heck can it be busy if it's down ? |
| 02:25.36 | jodathmorr | it says "caught signal 11" when X crashes |
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| 02:25.53 | jedd | Justin_: i was hoping to avoid that .. (i've been trying to avoid doing that since i switched from slackware about 8 years ago ;) |
| 02:26.12 | Justin_ | jedd: it takes all of 2 minutes |
| 02:26.14 | Sinistrad | jodathmorr, sig11 is a segfault, iirc. :) |
| 02:26.18 | Ryuujin | jodathmorr: i'm no expert on error messages, but most of them can be found on the web including a solution.. |
| 02:26.23 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: like "where is the any key?" |
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| 02:26.31 | L00thar | hehehe. For one. |
| 02:26.34 | jedd | Justin_: it'd be easier, and more importantly more elegant, if there were some exp pkgs somewhere for alsa-modules-2.4.23 |
| 02:26.34 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 |
| 02:26.41 | jodathmorr | yea but i've searched the web for my mouse problem and i can't find an answer |
| 02:26.55 | smj | Hey folks!!! I'm having a rough time getting cdrecord to work. HELP!!! |
| 02:26.58 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: figures. |
| 02:27.00 | sladegen | buy better keyboard... its marked clearly on mine ;))) |
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| 02:27.04 | jedd | Justin_: apt-get.org doesn't come up with some .. obviously. but nonetheless. |
| 02:27.07 | Justin_ | jedd: im sure it's on its way |
| 02:27.12 | Justin_ | jedd: why would it? |
| 02:27.17 | sgeigerbot | xmj: Are you drowning or what? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 02:27.18 | Justin_ | jedd: make your own |
| 02:27.22 | jodathmorr | i use a USB Intellimouse which is plugged into a USB hub |
| 02:27.29 | ricII | still didn't find a way to let both boxes (freeBSD,Debian) to use transparently a crosscable on two extra nic's instead of the normal path trough the public switch... |
| 02:27.30 | Justin_ | jedd: whining that there isn't one yet wont get you anywhere |
| 02:27.32 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: that's smj... |
| 02:27.38 | jedd | Justin_: i'm sure they're on their way. yes. quite. okay. thanks for your suggestion to download the source. that's my last ditch option, and one that i'll avoid for the moment because it's not what i want to do. |
| 02:27.42 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: thanks... |
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| 02:27.47 | sgeigerbot | smj: ask |
| 02:27.55 | smj | Well folks, I can't get cdrecord -scanbus to return anything meaninful. Any suggestions? |
| 02:27.58 | Justin_ | jedd: i never told you to "download the source" |
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| 02:28.04 | moberry | in which file in /etc/ipmasq/rules can i put my own rules? |
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| 02:28.11 | dondelelcaro | smj: uh, what does it return? [paste into #flood] |
| 02:28.12 | sgeigerbot | smj: Do you have the sg module loaded? |
| 02:28.14 | jedd | Justin_: i'm not whining about the absence of packages. i was enquiring if anyone knew a location for 'em. |
| 02:28.14 | snoke | smj: ide cdrw ? |
| 02:28.21 | sgeigerbot | smj: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 02:28.22 | Ryuujin | dondelelcaro: how dare you speak that sentence? |
| 02:28.29 | Justin_ | jedd: on your own system, 2 minutes after installing alsa-source |
| 02:28.33 | jedd | Justin_: have you played with the alsa-modules packages? |
| 02:28.38 | jodathmorr | ugh. why is debian so picky? |
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| 02:28.41 | ricII | but I have been up >32h so maybe in the moring this clearup in my mind.. |
| 02:28.45 | Justin_ | jedd: no, I always end up using alsa-source |
| 02:28.51 | smj | dondelelcaro: Will do. |
| 02:28.55 | simonrvn | jodathmorr: because we're not mind-readers |
| 02:28.56 | bztunk | jodathmorr: for? |
| 02:28.57 | smj | sgeigerbot: Yes. |
| 02:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Ryuujin: which sentence? |
| 02:29.04 | jedd | Justin_: i'm beginning to think perhaps you haven't. the alsa-source that you refer to - are you talking about the deb for that or the actual tarball from, say, the alsa site? |
| 02:29.10 | jodathmorr | X woun't start because it can't intilialize my mouse |
| 02:29.14 | Ryuujin | dondelelcaro: where is the any key |
| 02:29.17 | smj | snoke: Yes, an HP 8100. |
| 02:29.20 | Justin_ | jedd: what do you think I mean? |
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| 02:29.34 | simonrvn | jodathmorr: ok, so config the mouse properly |
| 02:29.36 | jedd | Justin_: speculating what you mean doesn't seem a good use of either of our time. can you simply clarify? |
| 02:29.41 | smj | dondelelcaro: It's been pasted into #flood. |
| 02:29.46 | Justin_ | !+info alsa-source |
| 02:29.48 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA sound driver source), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1667 kB, Installed size: 1696 kB |
| 02:29.54 | snoke | smj: have you load ide-scsi module if it is module ? |
| 02:29.55 | Ryuujin | my dad had a keyboard with a key that had the label: 'any key' on it.. really useful.. |
| 02:30.05 | dondelelcaro | smj: you need to load the ide-scsi module, and the sg module. |
| 02:30.12 | simonrvn | spacebar, or return key? ;) |
| 02:30.21 | smj | snoke: I've got hdd=ide-scsi in my menu.1st file. |
| 02:30.27 | quinlan | alrighty, anyone up for helping debug a problem with my CD-ROM (DVD/CD combo)? I haven't used it for some 6 months and a bunch of minor kernel revisions and now it doesn't work, getting "mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device" - any ideas? 2.4.23, isofs module loaded, hdc recognized on boot just fine, ide cdrom driver compiled into kernel |
| 02:30.27 | Ryuujin | simonrvn: no, a real key labled 'any key' |
| 02:30.28 | smj | dondelelcaro: I've got hdd=ide-scsi in my menu.1st file. |
| 02:30.47 | pneuma | why do they include so much junk in xbase-clients? like, its the 21st century, who is going to use xedit? |
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| 02:30.48 | dondelelcaro | smj: sure, but did ide-scsi actually load? |
| 02:30.50 | smj | That didn't load I see... |
| 02:30.56 | smj | Hmmm.... |
| 02:30.57 | jedd | Justin_: ahh, so you meant the debian package. right. good on you. well the problem is that that's tied to kernel source. packages now exist for kernel-source-2.4.23 - but there's no correlated alsa-modules-2.4.23 - only the .22 version. consequently the pde mmalloc errors generated with .22(alsa) against .23(kernel) are unresolvable without resorting to the tarball source from the alsa mob. |
| 02:31.03 | jedd | Justin_: does that make my problem clearer? |
| 02:31.14 | asg | pneuma: you would be surprised what people use :) |
| 02:31.15 | snoke | smj: modprobe ide-scsi |
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| 02:31.18 | quinlan | did the boot-time option "hdc=ide-scsi" stop working at some point? |
| 02:31.21 | smj | snoke: Did it. |
| 02:31.28 | pneuma | asg: i will cringe at that thought |
| 02:31.30 | Justin_ | jedd: no, what you just said made no sense whatsoever |
| 02:31.39 | snoke | did it tell anything ? |
| 02:31.45 | dondelelcaro | didn't alsa make it into .23? |
| 02:31.49 | asg | pneuma: on how many 'spiffy desktop' screen shots have you seen xeyes? |
| 02:31.53 | X-Treme | how can I list the ISA devices ? |
| 02:32.00 | Justin_ | jedd: do you even know what alsa-source is? |
| 02:32.05 | pneuma | asg: uugghhh |
| 02:32.13 | jedd | Justin_: okay - the point is that your suggestion (which i understand is to use the .deb for alsa-modules) doesn't work, and i know that because i've tried it. it doesn't work because of a lack of current alsa-modules that match the current kernel-source package. |
| 02:32.14 | dondelelcaro | mm... xeyes. |
| 02:32.27 | Justin_ | jedd: no, that was not my suggestion at all |
| 02:32.28 | smj | snoke, dondelelcaro: Well, looks like I've got some work to do on /etc/modules. Thanks for talking me through it guys. I thought just putting it into the grub config file was enough.... |
| 02:32.32 | pneuma | actually, xeyes is leaps and bounds ahead of xedit, IMHO |
| 02:32.35 | Justin_ | jedd: you aren't listening to a word I am saying are you? |
| 02:32.41 | smj | snoke, dondelelcaro: It works fine now. Thanks guys. |
| 02:32.43 | linuxfreck | X-Treme: you cant |
| 02:32.50 | snoke | smj: np |
| 02:32.50 | asg | pneuma: most people just use vi in an xterm anyway |
| 02:33.04 | linuxfreck | X-Treme: you can try pnpdump if the isa card is plug and pray though |
| 02:33.08 | MightyMark | every time I apt-get remove xdm, it always tries to sneak it back in the next time I apt-get install something, anyone know how to get rid of that? |
| 02:33.16 | slidesinger | What antispam tool do you use? |
| 02:33.18 | sladegen | X-Treme: you cant... you can try with pnp if hardware supports it... better use google for you problem. |
| 02:33.26 | sladegen | arghhhh |
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| 02:33.30 | X-Treme | ok, thank |
| 02:33.39 | pneuma | asg: and any who wouldn't use vi would definetely not use xedit |
| 02:33.47 | jedd | Justin_: actually i am. but i'm not sure it's helping. |
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| 02:33.58 | smj | dondelelcaro, snoke: I've got sg in my /etc/modules now. That should fix it. |
| 02:33.59 | asg | pneuma: nah, they would probably use xemacs |
| 02:34.05 | Justin_ | jedd: once again, install alsa-source |
| 02:34.07 | ccg | in what conf file is the hardware address for eth0 specified |
| 02:34.07 | dondelelcaro | emacs! |
| 02:34.09 | jedd | it was confusing enough when the configure script for those modules ignored the symlink .. |
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| 02:34.24 | Justin_ | quinlan: uh, if you are passing hdc=ide-scsi, why are you puzzled when /dev/hdc doesn't work? |
| 02:34.28 | jedd | Justin_: i have that package installed already. it's the stuff i've been playing with for some time. |
| 02:34.29 | asg | ccg: man 5 ethers |
| 02:34.36 | slidesinger | rephrase: What is the _best_ anti-spam utility to use. |
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| 02:34.45 | dondelelcaro | !best |
| 02:34.45 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 02:34.46 | joshua_ | is debian.org working enough for me to install debian on somebody selse's machine? |
| 02:34.49 | sladegen | ccg: in none... go away you evil spoofer ;() |
| 02:34.49 | derobert | !start and editor war |
| 02:34.52 | dondelelcaro | joshua_: yes. |
| 02:34.54 | Justin_ | jedd: try module-assistant |
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| 02:35.24 | joshua_ | alright, thanks |
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| 02:35.52 | quinlan | Justin_: I believe I added that to get cd recording working. |
| 02:36.29 | pneuma | asg: i love to see it when a new linux user sits down and sees xedit. must make a great impression. |
| 02:36.35 | quinlan | Justin_: it's hard to remember this stuff when you're not doing it every day any more. :-) |
| 02:36.35 | Justin_ | quinlan: yes...and so why are you trying to use /dev/hdc? |
| 02:36.43 | jedd | quinlan: add a line in like append="hde=scsi" |
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| 02:36.59 | jedd | quinlan: or whatever device you're talking about. |
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| 02:37.06 | quinlan | Justin_: I tried /dev/sr0 etc. as well |
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| 02:37.17 | asg | pneuma: if they are new, they are likely using a gnome/kde type setup which have their own editors |
| 02:37.27 | Justin_ | quinlan: are you loading the scsi cdrom driver? |
| 02:37.36 | dondelelcaro | asg: MOOOO!!!! |
| 02:37.40 | asg | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 02:37.48 | pneuma | asg: but xedit and friends are always in the menu |
| 02:37.50 | quinlan | Justin_: yes, I loaded all of those modules |
| 02:37.50 | sladegen | asg: not in debian... ;) 1st they have to configure X buhahaha |
| 02:38.00 | asg | pneuma: plus, I think the standard X tools might be required for some standard or other |
| 02:38.05 | Justin_ | quinlan: post your dmesg somewhere |
| 02:38.13 | beta3 | asg: Im amazed you are still ehre |
| 02:38.15 | asg | sladegen: which is easy enough |
| 02:38.20 | quinlan | Justin_: sec |
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| 02:38.37 | X-Treme | ifconfig eth0 up -->SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy how can it be busy if it's down ? |
| 02:38.45 | asg | beta3: yeah, I'm in the Long Dark Teatime of the Soul (work starts on Monday) |
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| 02:38.57 | beta3 | asg: hah |
| 02:38.58 | quinlan | Justin_: http://sial.org/pbot/521 |
| 02:39.14 | joss | gtk apps filesel replacement, where folders and files are not seperated??? |
| 02:39.16 | sladegen | asg: define easy |
| 02:39.23 | dondelelcaro | asg: ah, an excellent book. |
| 02:39.32 | beta3 | asg: I love it when my dog plays with herself, without me |
| 02:39.38 | asg | sladegen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && choose sane defaults? |
| 02:39.49 | asg | dondelelcaro: yes, one of my all-time favorites |
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| 02:40.10 | asg | beta3: you got him/her on a web cam now? |
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| 02:40.15 | Nirvanarules | hey, im about to go to Debian, and i was wondering.. if i have a adsl modem that connects via usb convertor, will linux pick it up .. or do i need to download something or do something |
| 02:40.19 | beta3 | asg: nah sorry |
| 02:40.20 | jedd | regrettably the salmon isn't a particularly great read. |
| 02:40.20 | Justin_ | quinlan: the output of dmesg, not /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:40.21 | sladegen | asg: yea they only have to know about dpkg-reconfigure.... |
| 02:40.26 | beta3 | asg: I should shouldn't i |
| 02:40.38 | Smirker | Nirvanarules: (y) |
| 02:40.52 | asg | sladegen: well, if they install X at all (using tasksel or dselect) it will run it for them |
| 02:41.08 | asg | beta3: yeah, I need to set up one too (I think the cat keeps getting into my beer) |
| 02:41.09 | joss | Nirvanarules: i guess linux will pick it up, just be sure to add usb support in youre kernel |
| 02:41.09 | jedd | Nirvanarules: i did this for the first time recently .. it was a little challenging. grab the (from memory) EIC packages .. there's two .deb's .. on a site somewhere. i'll see if i can find 'em again. |
| 02:41.11 | quinlan | Justin_: you're welcome to it... I've been trying various combinations of loaded/unloaded modules and there's iptables debugging in there too, so it might be a bit confusing |
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| 02:41.22 | beta3 | asg: lol |
| 02:41.32 | beta3 | asg: thats a new one |
| 02:41.34 | Nirvanarules | thanks |
| 02:41.37 | quinlan | http://sial.org/pbot/522 |
| 02:41.40 | Justin_ | quinlan: then dmesg|grep -v whateverwillgetridofiptables crap |
| 02:41.42 | beta3 | asg: My dog opens up soup containers and eats my soup |
| 02:42.02 | asg | sladegen: plus, we are here to help as is the documentation :) |
| 02:42.05 | quinlan | Justin_: less crap: http://sial.org/pbot/523 |
| 02:42.09 | Justin_ | quinlan: bleh, doesnt go back far enough |
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| 02:42.13 | Serbitar | hello all! would anyone be able to give me any pointer about how to transition my normal dev system to devfs? |
| 02:42.13 | asg | beta3: ;) |
| 02:42.47 | quinlan | Justin_: I am correct in understanding that ide-scsi module is needed for cd writing? |
| 02:42.53 | Justin_ | quinlan: yup |
| 02:42.54 | derobert | Serbitar: apt-cache show devfsd |
| 02:42.56 | knoppix | el canal hispano linux? |
| 02:43.04 | asg | !+spanish |
| 02:43.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:43.06 | quinlan | Justin_: maybe I'll try without it just to see if I can mount a cdrom |
| 02:43.12 | sladegen | Serbitar: dont do it... devfs is out. |
| 02:43.31 | Serbitar | sladegen: need to (long story) |
| 02:43.35 | Smirker | my locales are *really* screwed up. im pretty sure its trying to use a language i dont have installed en_US ?? i cant use dpkg-reconfigure cause it gives me fatal locale errors (no such file or directory), and ive tried reinstalling locales. ive tried exporting LC_ALL to "C", but nope. nearly every terminal app gives me local errors and wont perform things. what can i do?? |
| 02:43.45 | jedd | Nirvanarules: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php?lang=en -- grab the deb package .. it'll make life easier. |
| 02:43.50 | quinlan | bbiab, thanks Justin_ and jedd |
| 02:44.02 | Serbitar | derobert: will try thanks |
| 02:44.04 | Nirvanarules | thanks jedd |
| 02:44.04 | sladegen | Serbitar: ok just warning now its udev or other... blah thankfully never needed it |
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| 02:44.16 | rw | hi i've apt-get dist-upgrade but i packaged i didnt wanted to be upgraded went. is there a way to downgrade? |
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| 02:44.30 | kzar | i cant see why this s/^[:digit:]*// isnt working. it should delete all numbers at the start of the line but it doesnt seem to do anything? |
| 02:44.31 | simonrvn | rw: install older on top of newer |
| 02:44.32 | Bruno | hi.. |
| 02:44.33 | X-Treme | any way to figure out which IRQ a pci device uses ? it doesn't show in /proc/pci |
| 02:44.46 | simonrvn | X-Treme: /proc/interrupts |
| 02:44.46 | asg | rw: snapshot.debian.net (for older packages) |
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| 02:45.16 | Justin_ | Smirker: run locale-gen |
| 02:45.21 | jovian | can i get debian with the graphic install from their website? |
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| 02:45.35 | X-Treme | only a bunch of number. how can I tell which one is the pci device ? |
| 02:45.37 | nimbler | anyone: can hdparm tell me what pio and udma mode my drive is set to, or just what it is capable of? |
| 02:45.38 | Justin_ | Smirker: or echo "en_US ISO-8859-1" >> /etc/locale.gen ; locale-gen |
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| 02:45.40 | Smirker | Justin_: thx ill tr that |
| 02:45.46 | simonrvn | @tell root_ about root |
| 02:45.46 | Justin_ | nimbler: both |
| 02:45.50 | chris` | jovian: ncurses is plenty graphical |
| 02:45.50 | Smirker | ill try that aswell :) |
| 02:45.56 | Bruno | b someone knows how could i do a NAT to run my VNC in some computer with win my VNC, my VNC is installed in a windows and not in DEBIAN, but this NAT line have to be in DEBIAN |
| 02:45.58 | asg | kzar: if you are not using a greedy match, it will only match ^. |
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| 02:46.17 | jovian | hmm k |
| 02:46.24 | Justin_ | !tell Bruno about gforward |
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| 02:46.30 | jovian | guess I will try it |
| 02:46.32 | Bruno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:46.39 | kzar | asg: woosh over my head |
| 02:46.39 | DaCa | kzar: try [[:digit:]] |
| 02:46.42 | kzar | ok |
| 02:46.47 | simonrvn | @tell Bruno about repeat |
| 02:47.15 | kzar | DaCa: it worked, but why? |
| 02:47.18 | asg | kzar: man regex (for explanations -n- stuff) |
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| 02:47.26 | kzar | k |
| 02:47.33 | DF | What's the path for halt? |
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| 02:47.43 | simonrvn | /sbin |
| 02:47.45 | slidesinger | Sorry I missed all of that. In this case, _best_ is a qualitative term describing the ability of an antispam utility to eliminate spam from my email. |
| 02:48.06 | asg | kzar: because [:digit:] is a character class (match any of the following :,d,i,g,i,t,:) |
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| 02:48.26 | Vladkao | Hello, My ISP is using a proxy. How do I configure my system to use it? |
| 02:48.47 | Smirker | ive got a .deb package, if i want to load it in the installer do i have to put it in a certain directory on my flopppy? |
| 02:49.01 | quinlan | Justin_: well, removing append="hdc=ide-scsi" from lilo.conf allowed me to mount it |
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| 02:50.20 | Serbitar | who rooted root_? |
| 02:50.25 | sladegen | Sup: dont irc as root |
| 02:50.57 | dondelelcaro | sladegen: spamassassin coupled with procmail works well. There are other packages out there that also seem to work decently. |
| 02:50.57 | asg | sladegen: spamassassin is a common one |
| 02:50.58 | dondelelcaro | s/sladegen/slidesigner/ |
| 02:51.07 | asg | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 02:51.09 | dondelelcaro | s/gn/ng/ |
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| 02:51.55 | copocoto | dondelelcaro: no tab completion ;?) |
| 02:52.05 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 02:52.08 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 02:52.32 | Smirker | ive got a .deb file with drivers in it, if i want to load it in the installer do i have to put it in a certain directory on my flopppy?? |
| 02:52.46 | dondelelcaro | copocoto: oh, I have tab completetion, I just didn't notice that you had written more recently... |
| 02:52.46 | copocoto | no |
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| 02:53.25 | copocoto | i dont write *that* much |
| 02:53.29 | Smirker | oh ok |
| 02:53.40 | Bruno | someone here line in brasil ??? PVT ME |
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| 02:54.01 | simonrvn | @portuguese |
| 02:54.02 | ravenbird | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br |
| 02:54.09 | simonrvn | Bruno: ^^ |
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| 02:54.59 | therockhr | hi ppl |
| 02:55.04 | slidesinger | there is spamprobe spamassassin spamc spamfilter spamass-milter spamoracle. The only one that I know is spamassassin. Has anyone used any of the others. |
| 02:55.11 | copocoto | hi peep |
| 02:55.33 | jedd | Justin_: ahh - i fugged up. the source package (i did have it installed) .. but i didn't realise that the new version left itself in a tarball in the /usr/src directory .. been a while since i'd installed it for the first time. sorry about my confusion. |
| 02:56.00 | nimbler | anyone: should the pio mode of the hard drive be set automatically with a properly configured kernel, or does that always have to be set manually? |
| 02:56.15 | ricII | does telnetd-ssl use privilege separation? |
| 02:56.20 | therockhr | i am having a problem getting my ms usb scroll mouse to work in X...any idea why?....here is my input section of my XF86config.... |
| 02:56.23 | therockhr | Section "InputDevice" |
| 02:56.23 | therockhr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.23 | therockhr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.23 | therockhr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.23 | therockhr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.30 | Spork_Boy | anybody up for reccomending a processor? I'm specifically looking at an athlon64 or 2 athlon mp's (1 64/3200 & 2 mp/2800s are about the same price), but I'm up for any suggestions. |
| 02:56.43 | PrideF | anyone have a guess as to when the 2.6 kernel will be rolled into SID? |
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| 02:56.54 | Spork_Boy | therockhr: do you have a zaxis line in there? |
| 02:57.01 | asg | !+wir |
| 02:57.01 | dpkg | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 02:57.20 | nimbler | Spork_Boy: he got kicked off |
| 02:57.25 | copocoto | nimbler: it should... setup properly by kernel but sometimes with newer drives you can fidget with hdparm... just be careful |
| 02:58.02 | copocoto | s/drives/chipsets/ |
| 02:58.30 | copocoto | can or must... oh you know what i mean |
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| 02:58.55 | nimbler | copocoto: how do I know what pio mode it's already set to? if there is no astrik by anyone of the pio modes (from hdparm -i) does that mean none are set? (can none be set?) |
| 02:59.38 | beta3 | I have to reboot |
| 02:59.39 | copocoto | nimbler: it can be in dma mode... you can also check your dmesg |
| 02:59.42 | beta3 | my system is acting like a slug |
| 02:59.49 | beta3 | I don't know why tho |
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| 03:00.09 | nimbler | copocoto: oh so are pio modes and dma modes exclusive? |
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| 03:00.37 | copocoto | yes from what i know... pio < dma |
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| 03:00.47 | ricII | well if not (as it seems) there is a new openssl exploit. |
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| 03:00.51 | nimbler | copocoto: ah, cool, thanks |
| 03:01.08 | copocoto | dma < udma ... |
| 03:02.11 | ClintZ28 | anyone using Abit KD7A mobo? |
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| 03:03.16 | sgeigerbot | ClintZ28: Is anyone using that hardware? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a hardware-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
| 03:03.41 | Smirker | *nods* |
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| 03:06.04 | copocoto | sgeigerbot: that was a waste of bw ... and so was this ;) |
| 03:06.19 | Smirker | copocoto: was thinking that too |
| 03:06.31 | Smirker | but if we keep talking about it we will just waste more bw |
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| 03:06.42 | Smirker | and maybe get stuck in a loop *ponders away* |
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| 03:11.21 | rw | simonrvn, but the repository doesnt have diferent versions of the same software does it? |
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| 03:14.24 | Serbitar | wheee |
| 03:14.35 | Serbitar | got it running on a diskless box |
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| 03:15.26 | tamran | I can't compile kahakai-0.6 on debian because it can't find my X window system, can someone help? |
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| 03:15.46 | Nurbs | installed xlibs-dev? |
| 03:15.58 | tamran | Nurbs, do I need to do that? |
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| 03:16.58 | tamran | I'll try that |
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| 03:18.57 | rames | 'evening people ... i know not to ask when packages.debian.org will be back up, but is there anywhere to download mirrors of .deb's? (trying to find a 0.35 deb of subversion-admin-static) |
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| 03:20.59 | joshua_ | hi, I can't seem to find a working mirror of the netinst ISOs. |
| 03:21.05 | joshua_ | does anyone know where I can grab these? |
| 03:21.51 | Xyomama | http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 03:22.24 | Xyomama | worked for me less than 2 hours ago mini install.. |
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| 03:22.28 | joshua_ | oh, I thought that people.debian is down |
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| 03:22.48 | Xyomama | that link will work |
| 03:23.20 | joshua_ | thanks |
| 03:23.23 | Xyomama | np |
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| 03:24.12 | Demosthenes | howdy! any hints on how to do the smallest required debian install? i ask before creating a drive image to rubberstamp. |
| 03:24.26 | rames | demo: install just base. |
| 03:24.31 | rames | demo: like ~20-30 mb |
| 03:24.43 | Demosthenes | rames: do you still have to use the whole text gui thing, or is there a way to shortcut it? |
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| 03:24.58 | rames | demo: apt-cache show fai (methinks) |
| 03:25.15 | Demosthenes | rames: oh so handy if i had a debian box in front of me ;] |
| 03:25.26 | Demosthenes | rames: i'm about to setup a UML with debian on it... |
| 03:25.49 | rames | google? :^) http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
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| 03:26.39 | stidnam | hi can someone help me...im using sid and 2.6 and mozilla-firebird and mozilla-thunderbird keep exiting on me or maybe crashing |
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| 03:28.21 | Demosthenes | rames: dude, awesome link |
| 03:28.28 | joss | so is there a difference between mouse movement alghoritm for explorerfs and imps2?? |
| 03:28.41 | lotec | Can someone help me to use var/www/html/useage |
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| 03:29.00 | rames | demo: welcome ... just got to know what type of problem you're solving :^) |
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| 03:29.03 | ecstatix | hi |
| 03:29.15 | Demosthenes | rames: actually, that! |
| 03:29.34 | plush-dally | hey, can someone point me in the right direction for allowing a user on my box to access a mounted ntfs filesystem? |
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| 03:29.51 | tamran | does anyone know where to get the debian kahakai-0.6 archive (pre-compiled)? |
| 03:30.04 | rames | plush: google ntfs linux? ;^) |
| 03:30.25 | joss | tamran: so it is really a problem to compile it :):)? |
| 03:30.27 | plush-dally | i've tried setting permissions to the mountpoint before mounting, but they get changed to owner-only after mounting, and i've tried adding the user to the disk group to no avail |
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| 03:30.45 | tamran | joss, ok, I've compiled it, but make install gives me problems |
| 03:30.52 | wasabi | plush-dally, man mount |
| 03:30.57 | wasabi | read the ntfs section |
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| 03:31.05 | tamran | configure: error: you need to enable support for at least one scripting language ! |
| 03:31.19 | tamran | Scripting support: |
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| 03:31.28 | tamran | Yet, I've got python installed |
| 03:31.31 | jodathmorr | iroxi? |
| 03:31.35 | copocoto | ./configure --help |
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| 03:31.45 | plush-dally | rames: ntfs linux just returns a lot of information on allowing writing to ntfs drives |
| 03:31.53 | plush-dally | wasabi: i'll look again, maybe i missed it |
| 03:31.53 | lotec | Can someone point me to documentation for setting up statistics for my sites |
| 03:31.59 | ljlane | plush-dally, the ntfs faq sourceforge has all the info |
| 03:32.03 | ljlane | +at |
| 03:32.28 | plush-dally | ljlane: thx, i'll check that as well |
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| 03:33.08 | Xyomama | lotec: http://sourceforge.net/projects/awstats/ |
| 03:33.10 | rames | lotec: apt-get install awstats |
| 03:33.11 | tamran | does anyone know where to get the debian kahakai-0.6 archive (pre-compiled)? |
| 03:33.12 | jodathmorr | ixion? |
| 03:33.35 | Ryuujin | grep -window backlog *| * > /dev/null |
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| 03:33.38 | copocoto | tamran: and -dev packages... |
| 03:33.45 | Ryuujin | ha, everyone is redirected to /dev/null ! |
| 03:33.57 | rames | is thee any way to steal an rpm file and extract the data from it (besides rpm or alien?) ... like ar -x blah.deb |
| 03:34.11 | Demosthenes | rames: rpm2tgz |
| 03:34.17 | lotec | Xyomama, is this what would come under the usage directory of my rh8 install |
| 03:34.26 | jodathmorr | can someone get ixion for me please? |
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| 03:34.39 | Demosthenes | rames: rpm2cpio works too |
| 03:34.45 | Xyomama | lotec: dunno.. |
| 03:34.49 | Ryuujin | jodathmorr: can't you get it youself? |
| 03:34.52 | ljlane | jodathmorr, saw what |
| 03:34.54 | rames | demo: i'm on my webhost, and trying to get svn installed, they don't have any rpm commands installed (go figure ;^), but i'll look at those |
| 03:35.01 | jodathmorr | im using a client and i don't know how to message him under it |
| 03:35.02 | rames | (what is a cpio file? tar?) |
| 03:35.05 | jodathmorr | im on irssi |
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| 03:35.13 | Ryuujin | errr |
| 03:35.16 | copocoto | rames: last time i checkes rpms used cpio |
| 03:35.17 | Ryuujin | /msg ixion |
| 03:35.19 | Xyomama | rames: cpio is its own format |
| 03:35.20 | Ryuujin | i bet that will work. |
| 03:35.27 | jodathmorr | i tried and it didn't seem to work |
| 03:35.34 | Ryuujin | well, then he isn't around |
| 03:35.42 | jodathmorr | hes in the room and i just talked to him |
| 03:35.50 | rames | xyomama: i love .deb ... rpm is just too weird |
| 03:35.55 | Ryuujin | maybe he ignored you |
| 03:36.03 | Ryuujin | who knows, who cares? |
| 03:36.09 | jodathmorr | i do |
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| 03:36.16 | Ryuujin | yeah, well, i don't. |
| 03:36.35 | jodathmorr | then piss off |
| 03:36.45 | Ryuujin | i'm already pissed off. |
| 03:36.56 | jodathmorr | good. keep it to yourself |
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| 03:37.18 | Xyomama | rames: last rpm was ca. 1 1/2 year ago... ;) |
| 03:37.22 | Ryuujin | jodathmorr: did it occur to you that he might not be in front of the screen every second of his life? |
| 03:37.39 | jodathmorr | actually hes waiting for me |
| 03:37.51 | Ryuujin | he still might not be in front of it right now |
| 03:38.00 | jodathmorr | hes probably trying to message me but i can't page to the window |
| 03:38.08 | Ryuujin | people tend to leave their monitor sometimes.. for god knows what reason |
| 03:38.17 | Ryuujin | /window # |
| 03:39.07 | Xyomama | gn8 |
| 03:39.09 | Ryuujin | no, wait, god doesn't know for what reason they leave; noone knows besides themselves.. (and sometimes they might not even know it) |
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| 03:41.03 | copocoto | !bye |
| 03:41.04 | dpkg | Cya, copocoto |
| 03:41.10 | ecstatix | if anyone is using gkrellm here, are they having a problem with it saving which skin was last used when turned off? |
| 03:41.14 | Ryuujin | and #debian became quiet for the time being.. |
| 03:41.37 | ecstatix | i have to select the skin once again after starting X. And this is unstable. It was working fine before the current gkrellm upgrade 3-4 days back |
| 03:42.01 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: try quitting the program the normal way.. it would seem as you're killing it, therefore not letting it get saved properly.. |
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| 03:42.55 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: i dont quit the program. What I do is log out of the Window Manager, the proper way, saying Quit. I use XFCE4, and it was working fine |
| 03:43.30 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: you still have to exit gkrellm before shutting x down.. if not doing this, you'll be killing the process. |
| 03:43.30 | ecstatix | i mean i always quit from the provided xfce menu and not the Ctrl Alt Backspace way of killing X |
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| 03:43.48 | Ryuujin | you still kill the gkrellm process |
| 03:43.52 | Vocalista-rj | can anyone help me installing gnome2.4? |
| 03:44.07 | Ryuujin | Vocalista-rj: what's the problem? |
| 03:44.08 | smj | Vocalista-rj: Where are you getting it from? |
| 03:44.15 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: are you telling me that I have to quit each application separately before quitting X? |
| 03:44.21 | ecstatix | that's insane |
| 03:44.30 | ecstatix | I'll try it anyway :) |
| 03:44.39 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: if you want it to save properly, yes. |
| 03:44.40 | ecstatix | atleast the next time i log off |
| 03:44.42 | Ryuujin | else, don't bother. |
| 03:44.49 | Ryuujin | doing it one time should be enough. |
| 03:44.52 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: heck, it was working _fine_ |
| 03:45.15 | Ryuujin | yeah, well, you upgraded and that resolved in that you have to do what i just told you, agin |
| 03:45.16 | Vocalista-rj | i got from an unofficial apt- source |
| 03:45.16 | Ryuujin | again* |
| 03:45.38 | smj | Vocalista-rj: Okay, so what's the problem? |
| 03:45.39 | ecstatix | well, that's pretty silly |
| 03:45.40 | Ryuujin | Vocalista-rj: i never asked you to pm me. |
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| 03:45.52 | Vocalista-rj | sorry |
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| 03:46.02 | Vocalista-rj | im a debian newbie |
| 03:46.16 | Ryuujin | *!*@* anyway. |
| 03:46.28 | |82nd|HeXeM | it's your life |
| 03:46.38 | |82nd|HeXeM | turn to debian and get tax free credit until next year. |
| 03:46.44 | Vocalista-rj | can you help me? |
| 03:46.57 | Ryuujin | probably not.. using unofficial sources isn't the best. |
| 03:47.11 | Vocalista-rj | do you know any official one? |
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| 03:47.20 | Ryuujin | not on hand |
| 03:47.23 | slidesinger | OK, lets look at things from a different perspective. Is there a spam filtering tool that works client side only? Spamassassin seems to only work from the server side. |
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| 03:47.28 | smj | Vocalista-rj: I think 2.4 is available in sid. :-) |
| 03:47.33 | Ryuujin | nor on browser, since i'm too lazy |
| 03:47.38 | Vocalista-rj | just tell which one is the core package |
| 03:47.53 | Vocalista-rj | the base install package of gnome |
| 03:48.03 | Ryuujin | slidesinger: ..there probably is.. |
| 03:48.12 | Ryuujin | gnome-session |
| 03:48.17 | Vocalista-rj | hmm |
| 03:48.17 | X-Treme | how can I edit the default startup parameters of dhcpd ? |
| 03:48.26 | Ryuujin | that's the core package.. |
| 03:48.27 | Vocalista-rj | there are many unmet dependencies.. |
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| 03:48.41 | Ryuujin | well, then install the dependencies |
| 03:48.42 | Vocalista-rj | ive already tried this one |
| 03:48.44 | Myren | i'd be interested in a client side spam filter too |
| 03:48.45 | smj | Vocalista-rj: I dunno dude. I usually loop through the listing of debs at the site. That's what I did for KDE 3.1.4, and those unofficial packages were compiled especially for woody by the KDE folks. |
| 03:49.01 | Myren | seems like such an intuitively obvious thing to do |
| 03:49.01 | ecstatix | gnome-session? |
| 03:49.05 | tamran | what is the command to change window managers? |
| 03:49.18 | Ryuujin | tamran: ehm? |
| 03:49.19 | Vocalista-rj | hold on |
| 03:49.24 | Ryuujin | to change it. |
| 03:49.31 | Ryuujin | edit your ~/.xsession |
| 03:49.31 | smj | Vocalista-rj: Installing gnome 2.4 was a head ache for me as well, but I'm a KDE-ite, so I just reinstalled woody and moved on, keeping the Gnome it came with. |
| 03:49.46 | mwilson | slidesinger: Define "client side". If you like, just use SA from procmail. |
| 03:49.58 | ecstatix | tamran: edit a file, or create a file called .xsession or .xinitrc in your home directory, put your entries for window managers there, like startkde, exec gnome-session, exec blackbox, etc |
| 03:50.01 | Vocalista-rj | i think i should upgrade to sid |
| 03:50.18 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: whats kahakai? |
| 03:50.21 | Vocalista-rj | i have no problem installing KDE... |
| 03:50.33 | smj | Vocalista-rj: KDE was a breeze. |
| 03:50.39 | Vocalista-rj | yeah |
| 03:50.43 | tamran | ecstatix, I use gdm though |
| 03:50.55 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: a window manager with gnome, kde and *box (fluxbox/blackbox) support; written on the source from blackbox. |
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| 03:51.01 | smj | Vocalista-rj: If you want to go with sid, go for it. Just remember there are no security updates and it is called "unstable" for a reason. |
| 03:51.02 | ecstatix | tamran: i dunno then, i dont use a *dm |
| 03:51.09 | Vocalista-rj | ok |
| 03:51.19 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: apt-cache search kahakai gave 0 results |
| 03:51.22 | Vocalista-rj | thank you all for the help |
| 03:51.24 | Ryuujin | gdm is a desktop manager |
| 03:51.25 | slidesinger | mwilson: I use an email.com pop3 account which I would like to filter using a rule based filter. I've been reading on google for the last couple of hours and am more confused than when I began. |
| 03:51.37 | Vocalista-rj | i think i[ll have a great adventure here :) |
| 03:51.44 | Vocalista-rj | c ya |
| 03:51.44 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: http://kahakai.sf.net - there are debian mirrors available. |
| 03:51.54 | Ryuujin | gdm is a desktop manager, not a window manager |
| 03:51.56 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: ok, so i have to add a source? |
| 03:52.10 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: yes, to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:52.23 | Ryuujin | but it's only one mirror, the rest is simple; apt-get update;apt-get install kahakai |
| 03:52.44 | mwilson | Uh, no, gdm is a display manager. |
| 03:52.59 | Ryuujin | that was what i typed.. |
| 03:53.07 | Ryuujin | it's short for gnome display manager |
| 03:53.13 | mwilson | Actually, no, it wasn't even close to what you typed. |
| 03:53.13 | Ryuujin | then there's kde display manager |
| 03:53.16 | ecstatix | heh, the first thing you do after installing X is remove the DMs |
| 03:53.17 | Ryuujin | and some else. |
| 03:53.29 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: there is a difference between a display manager and a Desktop Manager |
| 03:53.30 | Ryuujin | whatever. |
| 03:53.31 | tamran | how do I configure gdm to include another window manager in it's list of entries upon login? |
| 03:53.34 | Ryuujin | argh |
| 03:53.37 | Ryuujin | stfu. :p |
| 03:53.40 | Ryuujin | i'm tired.. :( |
| 03:53.44 | ecstatix | sleep |
| 03:53.49 | Ryuujin | can't :( |
| 03:53.59 | deadcat | tamran: /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions and create a file there. chmod 755 on it. |
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| 03:54.34 | tamran | deadcat, ok, I see it. Thanks a bunch |
| 03:54.54 | ecstatix | Ryuujin: cant sleep as in? |
| 03:54.55 | mwilson | Oh, yippie... lprngtool upgrades. Did the new maintainer sort out his brain-fart on -devel or will it trash my printcap? |
| 03:55.11 | Myren | gdm2 is sexy |
| 03:55.23 | Ryuujin | ecstatix: <word for sickness that makes people unable to sleep> |
| 03:55.23 | deadcat | amen to that.. but too much libs. |
| 03:55.41 | Myren | gnome at large = fat stack of libs |
| 03:56.00 | Myren | i'm actually suprised. gdm2 takes less time to load up than gedit, i suspect. |
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| 03:56.15 | Myren | somehow i never expect my text editor to be that dense |
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| 03:56.24 | tuxillo | Hi |
| 03:56.37 | Ryuujin | bb in a few minutes, have to fix something.. |
| 03:56.41 | tuxillo | Is apache exim dependant on stable? :O |
| 03:56.59 | tuxillo | I try to apt-get install apache and it tries to install exim >:_( |
| 03:57.14 | caphuso | tuxillo: and what's wrong with that? |
| 03:57.32 | tuxillo | caphuso: I'm trying to use postfix |
| 03:57.42 | caphuso | tuxillo: then install postfix. what's stoping you? |
| 03:58.02 | tuxillo | caphuso: They both use smtp port |
| 03:58.07 | tuxillo | I do not want exim |
| 03:58.11 | caphuso | tuxillo: no, they don't |
| 03:58.26 | tuxillo | They don't? |
| 03:58.41 | caphuso | tuxillo: you can't have both exim and postfix installed at the same time, which makes it damn near impossible to use the smtp port at the same time |
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| 03:59.01 | tuxillo | caphuso: Ok, Im trying :) |
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| 04:00.06 | Ryuujin | wait, too low a resolution :( |
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| 04:02.29 | streuner_ | hmm |
| 04:02.41 | X-Treme | seen this ? Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.no.debian.org:ftp' (-3) apt-get update gets this error... |
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| 04:03.57 | beta3 | asg: you still there? |
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| 04:04.19 | streuner_ | DNS working? so check your sources.list, might be an error in it, X-Treme |
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| 04:05.27 | fishy | What package do I need inorder to run .jar's on my system? |
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| 04:05.51 | Ryuujin | yaay, much better resolution!~ :) |
| 04:05.53 | peterS | fishy: you need some sort of java virtual machine. |
| 04:05.56 | sgeigerbot | fishy: java |
| 04:06.03 | peterS | fishy: the best ones aren't in Debian because they're not open source |
| 04:06.36 | juan_ | how do i prevent a program from using /lib/tls and make it use /lib instead ? |
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| 04:07.01 | sgeigerbot | juan_: It depends. You can change the PATH |
| 04:07.16 | juan_ | sgeigerbot: what path |
| 04:07.32 | peterS | fishy: do 'apt-cache search java virtual machine' to see which ones *are* in Debian. I get 'sablevm' and 'kissme' among others. I have no idea how good or complete those are |
| 04:07.44 | sgeigerbot | juan_: the PATH that it runs with. If you don't know what that is, it's a variable. type "env" |
| 04:07.55 | mwilson | juan_: Why shouldn't an application use the TLS libraries, if it can? |
| 04:08.06 | juan_ | mwilson: crashes wine |
| 04:08.09 | mwilson | juan_: Unless you're running a 2.6 kernel, they're going to be ignored. |
| 04:08.51 | juan_ | mwilson: rename /lib/tls works fine but i only want that for wine .. |
| 04:09.12 | mwilson | juan_: Yes, I'm sure repeating that again brings you great comfort. |
| 04:09.49 | Covener | juan_: maybe export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 ? |
| 04:10.01 | juan_ | mwilson: what ??? |
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| 04:10.05 | peterS | hmm, I keep reading that as 'transport-layer security'. doh. thread-local storage, of course. |
| 04:10.09 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: can you time your bd script? |
| 04:11.21 | juan_ | Covener: not any better |
| 04:11.38 | ccg | hi, i've assigned ip, network address, netmask to the 2nd nic in my pc and and given my laptop an ip in that new subnet, still i cant reach the pc from the laptop, does anybody know why ? |
| 04:11.52 | Covener | ccg: route? |
| 04:12.16 | mwilson | "reach the PC from the laptop"... using what? http? ftp? ssh? smb? nfs? Smoke signals? |
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| 04:12.38 | Profoss | mwilson: ip-over-avion-carriers :) |
| 04:12.41 | deadcat | morse code |
| 04:13.03 | jdp | anyone know how to make the desktop work in gnome 2.4? |
| 04:13.10 | Covener | I think he meant emotionally his PC is unreachable -- tragic |
| 04:13.54 | deadcat | jdp: nautilus? or something like that. |
| 04:14.02 | jdp | I should say that I have no icons, etc |
| 04:14.05 | smj | Does anyone have any good suggestions on backport repositories? I'm looking for openoffice. |
| 04:14.18 | Profoss | www.apt-get.org |
| 04:14.20 | deadcat | smj: apt-get.org |
| 04:14.26 | peterS | smj: also www.backports.org |
| 04:14.34 | jdp | deadcat: just run nautilus to populate? |
| 04:14.37 | streuner_ | smj: /msg dpkg openoffice |
| 04:14.42 | jack|pdx | has anyone ever seen this happen? Computer pulls IP address via DHCP and can ping other machines, but no other protocols seem to work. I think it's at least sending data but not receiving. |
| 04:15.01 | jack|pdx | (since when i tried to use IM, my windows box popped up wtih "You are now signed in in two places, hidey ho!") |
| 04:15.03 | deadcat | jdp: doesnt hurt. ive never used gnome before so not sure. |
| 04:15.04 | Covener | jack|pdx: duplex mismatch? bad cable? dns? |
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| 04:15.26 | jdp | deadcat: had this hape once before, but I cannot remember what i did to fix it |
| 04:15.32 | X-Treme | where do I add the modules to be loaded on boot ? |
| 04:15.37 | jack|pdx | Covener: does it on both wired and wireless using different adapters. It worked before i left portland to come home, it resolves addresses just fine. |
| 04:15.38 | Covener | jack|pdx: logging into aim ought to be a lot of back/forth packets |
| 04:15.49 | streuner_ | X-Treme: /etc/modules |
| 04:15.49 | ljlane | X-Treme, /etc/modules |
| 04:15.56 | jack|pdx | Covener: yeah, but it acts like it's dead. I think it's sending though, because AOL reports it. |
| 04:16.06 | smj | deadcat, peterS: I've already been there. Thanks though. |
| 04:16.09 | X-Treme | got it |
| 04:16.13 | smj | streuner_: Thanks... will do. |
| 04:16.20 | jack|pdx | http, etc, is a no go |
| 04:16.26 | streuner_ | smj: welcome. |
| 04:16.36 | Covener | jack|pdx: on your lan as well? |
| 04:16.47 | jack|pdx | Covener: yeah. |
| 04:16.56 | deadcat | smj: why not just get it from oo.org? its not like you have to "compile" something. |
| 04:16.57 | smj | streuner_: I forget about the bot sometimes... |
| 04:16.58 | jack|pdx | Covener: it's not the router, since my windows box is happily letting me talk to you guys. |
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| 04:17.13 | smj | deadcat: Because I want the debs. I try to stay true to package management. |
| 04:17.19 | jack|pdx | Covener: oh, sorry, misread. |
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| 04:17.31 | X-Treme | I have a bunch of errors in startup, before the init scripts. It tries to load raid and scsi controllers and I dont have either of those.. any way to remove them ? |
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| 04:17.38 | jack|pdx | Covener: no, on my local lan i can get to the web-config for my router. |
| 04:17.48 | shogunx | jack|pdx what happens when you run apachectl start? |
| 04:17.48 | jack|pdx | Covener: I was thinking "hm, bad gateway," but it's getting it all from dhcp. :( |
| 04:18.10 | deadcat | smj: you take this too seriously. (=... do you use ppl's shell script? or you have to ask them to make it into a .deb ? (= |
| 04:18.12 | shogunx | then lynx localhost? |
| 04:18.14 | jack|pdx | shogunx: it goes "Apache? You don't got no apache installed on this here laptop." :) |
| 04:18.24 | Covener | jack|pdx: can you hit http://covener.net from the linux machine? |
| 04:18.33 | jack|pdx | shogunx: i can hit my router though. |
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| 04:18.36 | jack|pdx | Covener: lemme check. |
| 04:18.54 | jdp | deadcat: dagnabit you were right. THANKS. sorry to shout everyone, but you have no idea how long this has been a prob. |
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| 04:18.58 | streuner_ | X-Treme: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 04:19.01 | jack|pdx | Covener: i can ping it, but no http |
| 04:19.05 | shogunx | jack|pdx can you ping you linux box from elsewhere on the lan? |
| 04:19.09 | X-Treme | 2.4.20-bf2.4 |
| 04:19.17 | Covener | jack|pdx: i get in my logs "... Mozilla Firebird/0.6Connection: close" |
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| 04:19.28 | Covener | jack|pdx: you are netcartech? |
| 04:19.30 | smj | deadcat: I usually make the debs myself having failed any other source. My shell scripts I usually don't bother with unless I'm gonna distribute them throughout the network. |
| 04:19.32 | X-Treme | default kernel from net install |
| 04:19.41 | jack|pdx | Covener: uh... wierd, cuz i didn't use firebird. |
| 04:19.50 | jack|pdx | Covener: i dont' think that's me. :) I used links. |
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| 04:20.01 | Covener | jack|pdx: not the right isp? |
| 04:20.04 | jack|pdx | Covener: no, i'm comcast. |
| 04:20.15 | streuner_ | X-Treme: and you are sure it want use RAID? |
| 04:20.15 | jack|pdx | 12.something.somethiong.somethingelse |
| 04:20.22 | jack|pdx | shogunx: yes to the pingas |
| 04:20.22 | nt0x | what is a decent PPPoE package? |
| 04:20.43 | Covener | jack|pdx: nothing made it -- you can hit the router config perfect? |
| 04:20.53 | jack|pdx | Covener: aye. |
| 04:20.56 | tommyj | hmm, I've got some problems with APM. I do apmsleep +00:01 to let the computer sleep for 1 min but it just sleeps for about 5 seconds and then resumes! this also happens if I set the time up... help? |
| 04:21.04 | nt0x | jack|pdx: shogunx: yes to the pingas, heheh cute. |
| 04:21.05 | Covener | jack|pdx: you've released/renewed on the linux machine? |
| 04:21.06 | jack|pdx | Covener: i was thinking at first that the router was screwey, but it does it wired too. |
| 04:21.14 | shogunx | jack|pdx you are trying to run public services from behind a nat? |
| 04:21.16 | jack|pdx | Covener: yep. rebooted. |
| 04:21.24 | X-Treme | Detecting i20 raid controllers, aacraid driver, 0 adapters found, kmod failed to exec modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, that's just a part of it |
| 04:21.27 | jack|pdx | shogunx: no, i'm just trying to make my laptop go back onto the intarweb. :) |
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| 04:21.48 | Covener | jack|pdx: no active firewall? |
| 04:21.53 | shogunx | you can ping the internet from this laptop, yes? |
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| 04:22.00 | jack|pdx | shogunx: basically, i left my parents house this morning and it was working. nothing changed config wise. |
| 04:22.01 | mwilson | Is it actually contrary to Policy somewhere that a package should not start a TCP listener by default? If it is, I can't find it. |
| 04:22.09 | Debnoob | Greetings |
| 04:22.19 | jack|pdx | shogunx: hit my apartment, and it's like "Nope, you can ping, but that's it. Anything else is gonna timeout." |
| 04:22.28 | streuner_ | X-Treme: just ignore these kind of boot-messages, you should make your own kernel later. |
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| 04:22.36 | shogunx | wireless or ethernet? |
| 04:22.38 | nt0x | Anyone can tell me a good pppoe package? |
| 04:22.41 | X-Treme | ok |
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| 04:22.52 | jack|pdx | shogunx: take your pick. I tried both. |
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| 04:23.12 | Covener | jack|pdx: cycled power on cable modem or router? |
| 04:23.19 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: my bd script's real time is around: real 0m0.167s, using text database. |
| 04:23.28 | shogunx | jack|pdx try to dig a hostname, like dig yahoo.com and see if it will do the lookup |
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| 04:23.41 | PastorEd | Good evening everyone. Happy new year! |
| 04:23.47 | jack|pdx | Covener: did both and then upgraded router. Didn't help. The box i'm on now (windowS) is connected to the same router, so i'm almost positive it's the laptop. |
| 04:23.50 | nt0x | hmmm, how do I use apt ? |
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| 04:23.59 | afterx | hello |
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| 04:24.01 | deadcat | nt0x: /msg apt <blah> |
| 04:24.01 | gnomer | i need to replace xfree86 4.1 with 4.3 on woody any suggestions? |
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| 04:24.02 | Covener | jack|pdx: default route correct? |
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| 04:24.27 | jack|pdx | nt0x: VERY carefully. Don't go mixing stable and unstable. You're just asking for trouble. |
| 04:24.43 | PastorEd | My question is about FONTS in Debian. I'm a brand new Debian user... how do I use SMALLER fonts in my 800X600 resolution? Can someone point me to WHAT manual I should be reading when RTFM comes up? (grin) thanks... |
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| 04:25.04 | gb | haha, I mix unstable & stable all the time |
| 04:25.10 | jack|pdx | Covener: well it's got two entries for route. |
| 04:25.12 | gb | adds to the enjoyment |
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| 04:25.19 | jack|pdx | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:25.22 | jack|pdx | and |
| 04:25.28 | Covener | pastored: change dpi for X server maybe? Or configure your kde/gnome/gtk etc. fonts? |
| 04:25.36 | jack|pdx | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 04:25.57 | afterx | Alright, so I installed Debian for the first time today. I upgraded my kernel from the install kernel to 2.4.23, but now I'm getting a kernel panic when the system boot. It says it cannot mount my root file system, and I can't figure out where I went wrong. Could someone please provide me with some insight? I'd be forever greatful. |
| 04:25.58 | Covener | jack|pdx: and what is the range/ip of your router? |
| 04:26.08 | deadcat | PastorEd: ~/.gtkrc* |
| 04:26.11 | Covener | afterx: initrc probably |
| 04:26.14 | gb | 23? |
| 04:26.16 | mwilson | afterx: What filesystem does your / use? |
| 04:26.18 | afterx | what about it? do I need it? |
| 04:26.23 | afterx | ext2 |
| 04:26.25 | Covener | afterx: sorry, initrd |
| 04:26.29 | beta3 | afterx: did you setup the initrd |
| 04:26.32 | PastorEd | covener: Well, I'm using IceWM - don't even have kde/gnome installed. I'm simply trying to get the fonts a few point sizes smaller on my laptop. |
| 04:26.35 | gb | heck I'm still using 19 on half my WAN |
| 04:26.35 | jack|pdx | Covener: 192.168.0.0/16 (I think... I suck at subnetting in my head. it's got 192.168.0.1-255) |
| 04:26.38 | afterx | perhaps not? |
| 04:26.39 | afterx | hmm |
| 04:26.45 | shogunx | hey beta3 whats up? |
| 04:26.50 | beta3 | yo shogunx |
| 04:26.52 | beta3 | hold on |
| 04:27.03 | sgeigerbot | shogunx: advice concerning beta3: "Just remember: his thoughts are in beta. I wouldn't trust them until he is stable...and it looks as if that could be a long time. |
| 04:27.05 | PastorEd | deadcat: AH! YES! Thank you! there ARE fontsetting in that file, aren't there? |
| 04:27.12 | afterx | is initrd available as a package? or would I already have it? |
| 04:27.14 | shogunx | heh |
| 04:27.17 | gb | beta3: what would yo like us to hang on too? |
| 04:27.20 | Covener | PastorEd: changing dpi is probably what you want. you running a display manager or just running startx? |
| 04:27.23 | afterx | if I already have it, would I just dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 04:27.36 | PastorEd | Covener: I'm running xdm. |
| 04:27.39 | smj | Adios folks. Thanks for the help... |
| 04:27.47 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: gb: I was on the phone for a moment there |
| 04:28.02 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Who cares about the database speed. It gets run by cron and is negligible unless you have thousands and thousands of records. |
| 04:28.26 | Covener | jack|pdx: and .0.1 is your router? (that's a /24 btw) |
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| 04:28.35 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: you notice db speed when you have 200++ GB in a db |
| 04:28.51 | afterx | I'm sorry guys. I need just a little more. Is initrd related to my lilo.conf? |
| 04:28.51 | jack|pdx | Covener: heh, dammit, i knew that. :) yes to the .0.1 |
| 04:28.56 | Covener | PastorEd: check dpi setting in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers |
| 04:28.56 | deadcat | PastorEd: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.cgi?text/program.d/gtk-hack this might help |
| 04:28.57 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Nevermind...he's talking about a list of friends of his... |
| 04:29.06 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: oh |
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| 04:29.26 | PastorEd | Covener: hmm... changing DPI... and I do that by eliminating the reference to 100 DPI fonts in my XF86Config, yes? (I'm using XFree86 3.3.6) |
| 04:29.40 | afterx | uhg |
| 04:29.44 | Covener | PastorEd: No, change the -dpi in that conf file |
| 04:29.49 | jack|pdx | any other ideas? |
| 04:29.50 | afterx | well, could I paypal someone in exchange for a little help? |
| 04:29.51 | PastorEd | You guys are GREAT! I really appreciate the help. I' |
| 04:29.57 | Covener | jack|h: I think I'm out -- I feel like roland riddline Blaine |
| 04:30.07 | jack|h | Covener: blast! :( |
| 04:30.14 | gnomer | can someone help me replace xfree86 4.1 with 4.3 on woody?? |
| 04:30.14 | jack|h | stupid Craptop |
| 04:30.14 | PastorEd | I'll go check those out, and hopefully get these fonts a tad smaller. I sure appreciate it. |
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| 04:30.23 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Use a flat database for all I care.... If mysql is too hard for you, then, well, you really need to ask yourself what you are trying to do with your computer? |
| 04:30.30 | afterx | mwilson: am I asking wrong or something? |
| 04:30.35 | jack|h | Covener: well i'm gonna give it up for now and go make quesadias. :) |
| 04:30.42 | afterx | how come people stopped responding? |
| 04:30.49 | jjoseph | afterx, Is your problem your kernel is unable to read your root file system? |
| 04:30.57 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i dont have mysql on the machine |
| 04:31.01 | Covener | afterx: you'v been told enough to go read documentation about initrd |
| 04:31.14 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: You will eventually realize that speed isn't the best measure of any solution. For instance, Apache is NOT the fastest Web server available. |
| 04:31.23 | afterx | Covener: alright, my bad then. I'll go figure out what that is. |
| 04:31.24 | afterx | thanks guys. |
| 04:31.27 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: so??? |
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| 04:31.42 | gb | sgeigerbot: speed kills apparrently |
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| 04:32.00 | gnomer | can someone help me replace xfree86 4.1 with 4.3 on woody?? |
| 04:32.10 | gb | gnomer: no |
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| 04:32.42 | sgeigerbot | gb: No, that's crack. |
| 04:32.44 | PastorEd | Happy New Year, everyone. And again... thank you for the help! |
| 04:32.53 | sgeigerbot | Crack kills; buy a belt. |
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| 04:33.06 | gb | sgeigerbot: never seen a car going at excess crack :) |
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| 04:33.13 | gnomer | gb: was the question posed incorrectly? |
| 04:33.18 | deadcat | gb: HAHAHAH |
| 04:33.27 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: How old are you? |
| 04:33.45 | gnomer | this must be hudson |
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| 04:34.07 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: 22 |
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| 04:34.31 | gb | gnomer: asking for help is not really the done thing, state your issue & the reasons why you are having difficulty & someone will assist if they are able/want too |
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| 04:34.39 | juan_ | latest wine is strange, sometimes it segfaults sometimes not |
| 04:34.47 | Moose- | Anyone have a problem with apache-ssl? For some reason.. after upgrading, all subdomains and for some reason phpMyAdmin gives "Error reading from socket". I can connect to the main virtualhost fine.. |
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| 04:35.08 | gb | you seem to know what you want so why don't you just go get it & install it |
| 04:35.16 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Just remember this advice: Don't get hung up on one aspect of a solution (like performance). |
| 04:35.22 | jjoseph | juan_, On my sid machine wine always segfaults, on my woody machine it runs fine. |
| 04:35.32 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: ok. |
| 04:35.40 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: sometimes the context in which you are working makes doing that a stupid thing... |
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| 04:35.58 | gb | mm wine runs fine for me on both woody & sid, although I very seldom have a need to use it |
| 04:36.19 | gnomer | i updated sources.list with the url in apt-get.org for xfree86 4.3, however, apt-get update fails, get error 404, i.e. url is wrong |
| 04:36.42 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: If I were you, I'd still bother to learn MySQL. It's not hard, and relational databases are used much more often in real-world situations than are flat databases. |
| 04:37.06 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: true.. |
| 04:37.08 | karsten | mutt's not finding a key ID which I've got and am explicitly stating (8 character format). Clues? |
| 04:37.16 | zeeble | gb if you have one machine, CXoffice is decent |
| 04:37.19 | gb | I prefer to find native *nix equivalents |
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| 04:37.23 | shogunx | gnomer: do apt-get update |
| 04:37.28 | jjoseph | gb, There doesn't seem to be any craps games for linux. Hence the need for wine. Though I bet I could find a java version somewhere. |
| 04:37.31 | gb | I use vi "_ |
| 04:37.32 | karsten | ...just did a --check-trustdb FWIW. |
| 04:37.34 | gb | :) |
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| 04:37.56 | gnomer | shogunx: i did and it still does not find it |
| 04:38.04 | sgeigerbot | ~tell jjoseph about need vs want |
| 04:38.16 | gb | jjoseph: search engine, freshmeat.net & sourceforge |
| 04:38.19 | juan_ | gb: okay find me the native equivalent for lotus fucking notes |
| 04:38.28 | shogunx | perhaps the sources.list line is outdated. |
| 04:39.08 | gb | juan_: don't understand you |
| 04:39.11 | gnomer | shogunx: how to find out? |
| 04:41.01 | ClintZ28 | gb: there aren't always native equivialents |
| 04:41.11 | gb | mwilson: with a nail file ? |
| 04:41.17 | gnomer | shogunx: all i wanted to do was to replace xfree 4.1 with 4.3 in woody, so i went to apt-get.org searched for xfree86, got the deb http://... line and put it in sources.list |
| 04:41.30 | gb | ClintZ28: please show me the line where I said there was |
| 04:41.46 | mwilson | gb: No, against apcupds. |
| 04:41.50 | mwilson | er, apcupsd |
| 04:42.00 | mwilson | I finally got annoyed enough at it. |
| 04:42.10 | gb | ClintZ28: thats my preference, which is why I still seldom use wine |
| 04:42.40 | ClintZ28 | gb: yes, but you imply that anyone that needs wine might as well run windows..that's kinda dumb |
| 04:42.49 | gb | mwilson: sid or woody? |
| 04:42.58 | Covener | juan_: ibm'er? |
| 04:43.17 | mwilson | ClintZ28: How is it dumb? |
| 04:43.26 | juan_ | Covener: notes victim ... |
| 04:43.40 | gb | ClintZ28: for more then an occassional use yes I abdicate you run whatever software on its native os, why do you consider that dumb? |
| 04:43.42 | mwilson | gb: Unstable's testing package is the same... I haven't looked at Woody's. |
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| 04:43.55 | gb | mwilson: ahh |
| 04:43.56 | Bruno | what kind of error could happening with my access by VNC i just added a NAT line in my firewall but mu connection always fails... someone help me? PVT ME |
| 04:43.59 | Demosthenes | gb: you ADVOCATE. |
| 04:43.59 | Fyre610 | juan_: it beats M$ Petri dish aka exchange |
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| 04:44.21 | juan_ | Fyre610: maybe but it pisses me off |
| 04:44.22 | ClintZ28 | gb: rebooting to run a program in another OS wastes time... |
| 04:44.25 | mwilson | gb: Er, I mean that testing's package is the same as unstable. |
| 04:44.36 | mwilson | ClintZ28: Who said anything about rebooting? |
| 04:44.43 | Covener | frye: lotus notes isn't comparabl to exchange -- maybe you mean dominoe |
| 04:44.46 | Fyre610 | juan_: and you have a better chance of seeing IBM porting notes to Linux now that Domino runs on Linux |
| 04:44.50 | gb | Demosthenes: whatever it's a mute point given this is #debian & not #whinge_about_wine |
| 04:45.09 | juan_ | Fyre610: they will never port the client |
| 04:45.17 | ClintZ28 | mwilson: you would have to reboot, or run it in VMWare..unless you think everyone should have two computers |
| 04:46.11 | gb | ClintZ28: please stop being clueless & go search the options available |
| 04:46.42 | ClintZ28 | gb: I know my options |
| 04:47.05 | gb | ClintZ28: good |
| 04:47.14 | jjoseph | gb, Mine as well, but wine can sometimes be usefull. Even if it's only to play some worthless free game. |
| 04:47.20 | mwilson | ClintZ28: I think people should study all options available and pick the best one, rather than slavishly holding the idea that simply running Windows is somehow evil. |
| 04:47.42 | Covener | Fyre610: i think you need crossover wine or the ibm wine distribution to have a good shot at getting notes to work |
| 04:47.45 | gb | jjoseph: I find dosemu with novell dos more useful then wine |
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| 04:48.08 | bsims | chuckles at the idea that XFree 4.3 isn't considered stable enough for Sid |
| 04:48.09 | Fyre610 | Covener: right now, yes, in a year or so, who knows :) |
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| 04:48.22 | chris` | mwilson: but if /. says it then it *must* be true |
| 04:48.25 | Covener | Fyre610: huh? you mean if the changes get rolled in? |
| 04:48.35 | peterS | bsims: eh? how many of the 11 or 12 platforms sid supports have *you* got XFree86 4.3 running smoothly on? |
| 04:48.37 | ClintZ28 | mwilson: I agree with you...I just got on gb's case because he was being condencending to someone for running wine |
| 04:48.38 | Covener | Fyre610: or do you think there will be a fat notes client for linux in a year? |
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| 04:48.47 | yolaten | hi |
| 04:48.47 | gabe | hey, anyon eknow how to boot a 486 from a cd? |
| 04:48.59 | yolaten | how to resize ext3? |
| 04:49.07 | peterS | yolaten: three options I know of |
| 04:49.11 | Fyre610 | Covener: hopefully not fat, but given that Notes is big to start with...... |
| 04:49.14 | peterS | yolaten: ext2resize, resize2fs, parted |
| 04:49.15 | yolaten | without lossing data? |
| 04:49.16 | gb | gabe: yup, try gaffa taping the cd to your boot first :) |
| 04:49.17 | jjoseph | gb, Hmm, perhaps I'll look into that. Though a working wine is as good as running natively for most apps. |
| 04:49.26 | bsims | peterS: I know that just was joking its Sid I expect things to break sometimes |
| 04:49.26 | yolaten | peterS "ext3" |
| 04:49.29 | gabe | gaffa taping? |
| 04:49.30 | peterS | yolaten: the latter will resize the partition as well as its contents - the other two only resize the contents |
| 04:49.30 | gabe | gb? |
| 04:49.35 | mwilson | bsims: Who's said that? Certainly not anyone who's in a position to know. |
| 04:49.37 | peterS | yolaten: yes I know |
| 04:49.38 | Covener | Fyre610: I doubt you'll see any -- if you need a notes client bad enough under linux you have to buy a newer domino license and turn on web access |
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| 04:50.07 | gb | gabe generally you boot using an alternate media & mount the rom |
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| 04:50.16 | Fyre610 | Covener: personally, I don't, wishful thinking |
| 04:50.19 | yolaten | peterS i want to resize without lossing data |
| 04:50.22 | peterS | yolaten: as far as I know, none of those three programs have any trouble with ext3. the on-disk format is very nearly identical to ext2 |
| 04:50.34 | gb | alternatively, rip the hdd out of the 486 & put it into a box that has a bootable cdrom |
| 04:50.37 | bsims | mwilson: IIRC its working its way out of experimental into sid but sid is still at 2.4.1 (2.4.1 meets all of my needs) |
| 04:50.43 | gabe | gb, yah, but i cant make any floppys. is there any way to boot directly from the cd? |
| 04:50.48 | peterS | yolaten: none of those three programs will lose data |
| 04:50.56 | gb | then after you've done the install drop the hdd back in |
| 04:51.16 | yolaten | thanks |
| 04:51.19 | gb | gabe: only if your bios has that facility |
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| 04:51.33 | mwilson | bsims: Yes, it's still in experimental. Where is this statement about stability? |
| 04:51.35 | zeeble | gabe no. if your bios does'nt support booting of the cd, hwo can you? |
| 04:51.52 | peterS | gabe: buy a SCSI card that has a BIOS extension that can boot a CD. then buy a SCSI CD-ROM drive. |
| 04:52.02 | gb | gabe: thats why I have a dedicated install box |
| 04:52.03 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:52.16 | gb | but I dont install from rom's anymore |
| 04:52.23 | peterS | gabe: alternatively, find a 486 whose existing BIOS can boot a CD. I don't know if those exist or not - probably not |
| 04:52.23 | gabe | ok. i have a mac running linux. is there a way that i can install a booter onto the ide hd from the amc running linux? |
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| 04:52.36 | gb | I prefer to dd or cp an image onto the drive in question |
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| 04:53.12 | gb | amc? |
| 04:53.17 | zeeble | mac |
| 04:53.19 | peterS | gabe: not easily. find a floppy drive and cable somewhere and plug that into your 486 - you've almost certainly got a floppy controller on your mobo, or IDE / SCSI card |
| 04:53.24 | gb | ahh |
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| 04:53.34 | peterS | gabe: that's probably the easiest solution |
| 04:53.45 | gabe | yah. but i dont have any floppys to boot from |
| 04:53.53 | gb | gabe: can you boot the box in question to dos? |
| 04:54.08 | zeeble | well, but a set of floppies. |
| 04:54.11 | gb | if so, you could loadlin the kernelimage |
| 04:54.11 | sgeigerbot | gb: Use Knoppix, not DOS. |
| 04:54.12 | peterS | gabe: floppy images are on the CD. look in 'debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/' |
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| 04:54.45 | zeeble | sgeigerbot dude, his machine does'nt boot CDROMS. Knoppix would booty from where? yada yada land? |
| 04:54.48 | bztunk | ~test |
| 04:54.50 | | Passed |
| 04:54.53 | gb | if it dont have a bootable cd, I doubt it would have knoppix on it |
| 04:55.03 | sgeigerbot | zeeble: USB drive? ;-) |
| 04:55.13 | gb | yuck usb |
| 04:55.22 | sgeigerbot | gabe: You can't boot from CD? Why don't you try to make this a little easier on yourself and us by removing some of the constraints on your situation. Whenever someone asks to do something hard like that, it is usually a simple matter of doing something simple to cause a difficult situation to become simple. Simple enough? |
| 04:56.12 | gb | zeeble: Why would you want to put sgeigerbot 's feet into your mouth? |
| 04:56.25 | sgeigerbot | gb: None of your business. |
| 04:56.30 | nt0x | ok heres a dumb question, If your box has 1 10m NIC and 1 10/100m NIC, which one would you put public, and which one internal? |
| 04:56.33 | gb | hehehe |
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| 04:56.55 | gabe | i cant boot anything |
| 04:57.13 | gabe | i did notice that my nic card has a net boot option, could this be usefull? |
| 04:57.14 | gb | gabe: try bigger or smaller boots then |
| 04:57.18 | sgeigerbot | nt0x: put the fast one one the private side. |
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| 04:57.19 | bztunk | nt0x: what's the public link speed? |
| 04:57.23 | peterS | nt0x: depends on what you have the "public" side connected to, I guess. most people have line speeds out to the Internet well below 10 mbit/second. so you might as well make the slow card your external one |
| 04:57.30 | nt0x | (sgeigerbot) ty |
| 04:57.33 | yolaten | peterS: ext2resize says -> get "Can't open device /dev/hda4" |
| 04:57.43 | sgeigerbot | bztunk: Since he has to ask, it is going to be slower than the NIC. |
| 04:57.45 | yolaten | why? cause it's mounted? |
| 04:58.00 | gabe | gb, what do you mean? |
| 04:58.06 | peterS | yolaten: don't try to resize a mounted filesystem, unless you have a kernel patch |
| 04:58.15 | sgeigerbot | gb: gabe has more vowels than you do. |
| 04:58.18 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: yeah, thinking about it, i'm sure he doesn't have a ds3 or anything :D |
| 04:58.31 | sgeigerbot | bztunk: :-) |
| 04:58.42 | yolaten | peterS so... how to resize part? |
| 04:58.48 | peterS | yolaten: unmount it first |
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| 04:58.50 | gb | sgeigerbot: that's nice :P |
| 04:58.50 | ryushe | Hiya, after typing startx I get a whole lot of 'Not loading .note.GNU-stack' messages. After around 60 lines, X just gives up and doesn't start .... any ideas? |
| 04:59.09 | peterS | yolaten: in fact, unmount everything on that physical drive |
| 04:59.10 | yolaten | but... that's my only native part. |
| 04:59.13 | bztunk | ryushe: wow... i never heard anything similar to that |
| 04:59.14 | ryushe | kernel 2.4.23 debian sid |
| 04:59.16 | gb | ryushe: lots of ideas |
| 04:59.23 | nt0x | (ryushe) Grab hammer, it usually works for me. |
| 04:59.31 | peterS | yolaten: oh, in that case, you'll probably have to boot from non-hard-disk media to do this |
| 04:59.33 | ryushe | latest nvidia driver as well |
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| 04:59.41 | ryushe | gb > care to share some? |
| 04:59.46 | yolaten | mmm |
| 04:59.59 | ryushe | :) |
| 05:00.12 | ryushe | nah, waste of nice hardware ... :) |
| 05:00.12 | yolaten | well, can i boot from woody media? |
| 05:00.20 | yolaten | a rescue boot? |
| 05:00.38 | jjoseph | ryushe, I have a similar problem in my logs. I've had to fall back on xdm because gdm and kdm will not run successfully. |
| 05:00.56 | ryushe | nothing X related starts ... |
| 05:01.03 | ryushe | that's the problem ... |
| 05:01.08 | gb | ryushe: x really depends on how you configured it & what hardware you wrongly configured it for |
| 05:01.14 | nt0x | Id die if my porn didnt start |
| 05:01.19 | nt0x | oh |
| 05:01.39 | jjoseph | ryushe, Though I haven't tried hard to fix it and I've just upgraded this laptop to sid. That's the only thing broken. |
| 05:01.40 | ryushe | gb > what I did: updated kernel from 2.4.21 to 2.4.23, reinstalled nvidia drivers, and that's it .... |
| 05:01.44 | peterS | yolaten: something like that. you can get a parted boot floppy ... at least, at one time you could. I don't see the image on their web site now |
| 05:01.50 | ryushe | worked like half an hour ago ... |
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| 05:02.14 | gb | ryushe: did you configure x to use framebuffer? |
| 05:02.15 | ryushe | I changed _nothing_ (and I checked) to XF86Config-4 |
| 05:02.18 | ryushe | nope |
| 05:02.27 | sdude | how do i install java plugin for mozilla? |
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| 05:02.30 | gb | does your new kernel support framebuffer devices, etc, etc |
| 05:02.41 | peterS | yolaten: I guess parted was hosted by savannah and they yanked some files pending verification that they're not trojaned |
| 05:02.43 | ryushe | yes, turned that off and on ... same result |
| 05:03.08 | yolaten | hehehe... such a hack... |
| 05:03.12 | gb | too many assorted options that you need to examine |
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| 05:03.45 | ryushe | I find it very wierd that this broke only after a kernel upgrade ... |
| 05:03.46 | gb | both within your kernels & your x configuration |
| 05:04.02 | ryushe | did this before loads of times on other boxen and never had this problem |
| 05:04.21 | peterS | yolaten: anyway, the parted boot disk is how I'd recommend doing this, if you can find a copy anywhere. check google, I guess |
| 05:04.35 | yolaten | thanks |
| 05:04.35 | gb | ryushe: why, you change the heart of your system, some things that were broken are bound to start working & vice versa |
| 05:05.12 | ryushe | true |
| 05:05.21 | nt0x | Debian Linux Motto: If it aint broke, apt-get upgrade. |
| 05:05.28 | ryushe | heh |
| 05:05.50 | gb | aint that apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 05:05.55 | nt0x | owned |
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| 05:06.39 | gb | if you are going to brake it, you might as will do the job proper |
| 05:06.41 | kuru | what PDA allows you to run linux on it? |
| 05:07.04 | gb | sharp zaurus from memory |
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| 05:07.10 | knoppix | hi |
| 05:07.13 | ryushe | all I see in X log is 'failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0' |
| 05:07.19 | kuru | gb: sharp zaurus.. hrmm, does it support GSM? |
| 05:07.21 | knoppix | hows support on centrino notebooks |
| 05:07.33 | ryushe | besides the error mentioned above. .. |
| 05:07.47 | kuru | knoppix: ok.. no wifi though |
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| 05:07.55 | knoppix | Averatec 5110H looks sexy |
| 05:07.56 | gb | kuru: I have not entered into playing with pdas as yet |
| 05:07.56 | sdude | sone, can anyone tell me how to get java going in mozilla? |
| 05:08.03 | knoppix | kuru does video work well? |
| 05:08.11 | gb | although I'd love to have one |
| 05:08.15 | ryushe | familiar works nicely ;) |
| 05:08.15 | kuru | knoppix: centrino is the processor not the video |
| 05:08.30 | kuru | knoppix: but I am using a centrino laptop right now |
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| 05:08.41 | knoppix | Intel 855GM chipset |
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| 05:09.17 | knoppix | kuru does it have the 855GM chipset? |
| 05:09.20 | kuru | knoppix: my X seems to be fine. |
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| 05:09.30 | knoppix | any 3D accel? |
| 05:09.32 | Bruno | someon knows where could find the script for the win user change the samba password at your firs login..? PVT ME |
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| 05:11.24 | kuru | knoppix: mine is 855PM |
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| 05:12.05 | knoppix | o |
| 05:12.25 | ClintZ28 | anyone watching the OSU v Ohio game? |
| 05:12.26 | knoppix | when did you get it (and hows the battery life?) |
| 05:12.28 | kuru | so the only pda that supports linux out there is what I cannot find in the local market.. |
| 05:12.31 | kuru | great |
| 05:12.37 | knoppix | how many hours? |
| 05:12.59 | ryushe | kuru, ipaqs do a nice job running linux ;) |
| 05:13.02 | kuru | knoppix: that really depends on what you're doing.. |
| 05:13.11 | Misirlou | ClintZ28: How very Debian-related of you. . . |
| 05:13.12 | kuru | ryushe: I can find an ipaq.. hrmm.. |
| 05:13.23 | ryushe | mine does at least ;) |
| 05:13.24 | knoppix | kuru: programing in perl |
| 05:13.26 | kuru | ryushe: but the model that supports GSM is not available (at least not in the ones I've seen) |
| 05:13.35 | kuru | knoppix: so you're editing.. could last me about 3.5 hours |
| 05:13.59 | ClintZ28 | Misirlou: it has everything to do with Debian |
| 05:14.00 | kuru | ryushe: you would think I should find everything I want.. |
| 05:14.02 | Misirlou | Oh, while we are on the topic of GSM and AMR: |
| 05:14.07 | kuru | what about the tungsten W ? |
| 05:14.08 | Misirlou | ClintZ28: Then do share. :) |
| 05:14.13 | ryushe | that might be true ... wouldn't know .... ask over in #handhelds.org :) |
| 05:14.23 | kuru | ooh.. there is one! |
| 05:14.32 | ClintZ28 | Linus is a Ohio fan |
| 05:14.35 | kuru | didn't know there was such a channel! |
| 05:14.54 | ryushe | heh |
| 05:15.03 | Misirlou | The Zaurus has an app available for it called tkcVox that records to GSM-AMR, but it's very difficult to find decoders for the files. |
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| 05:16.02 | kuru | well, the Zaurus doesn't support gsm from the fact sheet I'm looking at |
| 05:16.11 | Misirlou | yeah |
| 05:16.24 | Misirlou | That app is sold be theKompany.com. |
| 05:16.27 | Misirlou | *sold by |
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| 05:16.55 | kuru | Misirlou: it's not just an app.. where would you put your gsm chip? |
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| 05:17.11 | Misirlou | I didn't know that GSM chips were needed. . . |
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| 05:17.29 | kuru | Misirlou: well.. you kind of need the chip ;) |
| 05:17.31 | Misirlou | The application does AMR encoding; I have the files right here if you want them. |
| 05:17.44 | ryushe | kuru > ipaqs have a GSM sleeve in which you can insert a GSM chip .... |
| 05:17.50 | Misirlou | I don't know of anything that can play 'em properly though. :/ |
| 05:17.54 | ryushe | dunno if it works with linux tho |
| 05:18.00 | Misirlou | Heck, they may not even be AMR. |
| 05:18.28 | Misirlou | I'm just going on what <http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcvox/> says. |
| 05:18.29 | ryushe | Misirlou > I think kuru is more interested in using his pda as a phone as well ... instead of recording .... |
| 05:19.24 | kuru | ryushe: I'm trying to find a model which supports it that i have found when I went around shopping. |
| 05:19.26 | Misirlou | Hmm, I see. |
| 05:19.33 | kuru | ryushe: otherwise my favorite is the Tungsten W |
| 05:19.47 | ryushe | heh |
| 05:19.54 | kuru | though it doesn't have a speaker.. so it kind of sucks |
| 05:20.20 | kuru | you have to use the handsfree handset to talk on the phone. |
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| 05:20.22 | kuru | that's really silly |
| 05:20.50 | ryushe | otherwise get one of them new nokia's or ericssons ... mine has a speakerphone built in ... |
| 05:20.56 | Misirlou | OwO: What are you removing? |
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| 05:21.15 | agney | how can I enable wave sorround on alsa ? |
| 05:21.15 | kuru | ryushe: I sold my sony ericsson T300 so I can get a pda.. |
| 05:21.23 | ryushe | heh |
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| 05:21.29 | OwO | I have sarge installed. I modified /etc/sources.list to get the SID version of KDE because the Sarge version was broken. |
| 05:21.58 | OwO | Misirlou I get dependancy errors whenever I add or remove a program from my box. |
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| 05:22.06 | OwO | program=application |
| 05:22.07 | streuner_ | !depends kdebase sid |
| 05:22.07 | kuru | ryushe: and it cost me a lot of money when I first bought it.. could hardly find someone to pay me half what it cost me |
| 05:22.11 | dpkg | kdebase: depends on kappfinder (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kate (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kcontrol (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kdebase-data (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kdebase-kio-plugins (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kdeprint (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kdesktop (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kfind (>= 4:3.1.4-1), khelpcenter (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kicker (>= 4:3.1.4-1), klipper (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kmenuedit (>= 4:3.1.4-1), konqueror-nsplugins (>= 4:3.1.4-1), konqueror (>= 4:3.1.4-1), konsole (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kpager (>= 4:3.1.4-1), |
| 05:22.11 | dpkg | 4-1), ksmserver (>= 4:3.1.4-1), ksplash (>= 4:3.1.4-1), ksysguard (>= 4:3.1.4-1), ktip (>= 4:3.1.4-1), kwin (>= 4:3.1.4-1), libkonq4 (>= 4:3.1.4-1) |
| 05:22.47 | streuner_ | OwO, you aren't anymore on sarge... |
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| 05:23.06 | OwO | streuner - For KDE, no/ |
| 05:23.15 | lori | is there a way to allow users to issue a command like ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, to restart networking? (w/out being su) |
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| 05:23.29 | Misirlou | OwO: Mixing distributions can cause more problems than they solve. |
| 05:23.29 | floppyears | lori:look into sudo |
| 05:23.39 | Zanthrox | Hi folks |
| 05:23.45 | floppyears | lori: "sudo" is the name of the command |
| 05:23.55 | lori | floppyears yeah, i know about that, i wanted to make it as easy as possible, just an icon on the desktop |
| 05:23.57 | Misirlou | *than its solves |
| 05:24.13 | Misirlou | OwO: Might I suggest just moving to Sid? |
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| 05:24.14 | OwO | Well, what I am wondering is if I can correct the dependancy errors for those three things. gnome-games, gnome-desktop and gnome. |
| 05:24.29 | floppyears | lori:if you are using kde you can create a shortcut in the desktop which runs sudo on a console |
| 05:24.33 | Zanthrox | Anyone up for a package question? |
| 05:24.38 | zakame | hello! wazup with gnome? |
| 05:24.46 | streuner_ | OwO: listen what Misirlou and me told you |
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| 05:25.07 | streuner_ | Zanthrox: if you would ask |
| 05:25.08 | OwO | I am listening and I am seriously giving it consideration. |
| 05:25.12 | floppyears | lori:what window manager do you use? |
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| 05:25.16 | lori | floppyears anyway to get a user to do it, w/out entering anything? its just a home computer, and sometimes the networking needs to be restarted |
| 05:25.25 | lori | floppyears its ice, w/a desktop mgr. |
| 05:25.28 | Zanthrox | Thx..I'm looking to upgrade my woody install to libvorbis 1.1..I gather 1.0 is in stable.. |
| 05:25.34 | gabe | Hi, is there any way that i can install debain directly onto a hard drive without booting from a disk? |
| 05:25.50 | gabe | like copying the files over to the hard drive? |
| 05:25.50 | OwO | But for educational purposes, it might be a good thing for me to untangle the mess I've created. |
| 05:25.50 | Zanthrox | I'd like to upgrade without having to uninstall all the dependencies..any idea how I might go about it? |
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| 05:26.31 | Zanthrox | I'd just build from source, but then the 1.0 package would still be installed.. |
| 05:26.38 | streuner_ | Zanthrox: why do you need to upgrade that package? |
| 05:26.51 | Zanthrox | Building mythtv .13 on an xbox.. |
| 05:26.55 | sprout_ | anyone know of software that I could use to create a coverpage for HylaFAX in Windows? |
| 05:27.00 | mfbian | what are cool console programs to play with |
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| 05:27.00 | floppyears | lori:create a shortcut on the desktop that is actually sudo being executed |
| 05:27.02 | Zanthrox | I'd rather not update the whole thing to unstable if I can avoid it.. |
| 05:27.07 | Misirlou | OwO: It may not be possible to untangle. |
| 05:27.12 | knoppix | back |
| 05:27.15 | lori | floppyears but then i still need the pwd, right? |
| 05:27.23 | OwO | One thing I am indeed finding to be a complete pita is the current screen font. The letters are not sharp and clear and fully formed. I already have vision disabilities as it is. |
| 05:27.32 | streuner_ | Zanthrox: apt-get.org or/and try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:27.38 | knoppix | kuru: the specs say 5+ hrs |
| 05:27.41 | OwO | Misirlou - Oh..hrmm... that's not good to hear. |
| 05:28.17 | floppyears | lori:that's true |
| 05:28.24 | zeeble | good. today's updates over |
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| 05:28.35 | Zanthrox | streuner_: Thx for the pointers..I'll see what I can dig up |
| 05:28.39 | lori | floppyears thats what im trying to avoid;) cant i just change perms on something;) |
| 05:28.52 | streuner_ | Zanthrox: welcome |
| 05:28.59 | knoppix | on the one i like |
| 05:28.59 | knoppix | think thats possible? |
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| 05:29.27 | CSMan | hey guys, what's the package for php? |
| 05:29.31 | knoppix | anyone else have a centrino lappy? |
| 05:29.31 | floppyears | lori:why don't you try fakeroot it doesn't require a password |
| 05:29.41 | CSMan | package name |
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| 05:29.49 | lori | floppyears didnt know of that, ill check that out, thanks! |
| 05:29.52 | streuner_ | CSMan: apt-cache search php? |
| 05:29.53 | helix | !greet everyone |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | Hi everyone! |
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| 05:30.06 | peterS | hi, dpkg. hi, helix. |
| 05:30.10 | helix | :) |
| 05:30.25 | streuner_ | ~say hi helix |
| 05:30.32 | | hi helix |
| 05:30.32 | floppyears | lori:your welcome |
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| 05:30.39 | OwO | hrmmm |
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| 05:30.43 | floppyears | helix:hola |
| 05:30.47 | bztunk | !greet helix |
| 05:30.48 | dpkg | Hi helix! |
| 05:30.49 | knoppix | any centrino users? |
| 05:30.55 | CSMan | streuner_: i get lots of php related stuff... |
| 05:30.59 | helix | you're all so kind |
| 05:31.02 | helix | kthx |
| 05:31.06 | bztunk | especialy dpkg |
| 05:31.13 | streuner_ | CSMan: sounds to me not bad :-) |
| 05:31.38 | nvz | I seen a helix cooled "tobacco pipe" on the internet |
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| 05:32.55 | CSMan | i'll use apt-find |
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| 05:33.38 | Mr_butler | hi |
| 05:34.18 | nvz | Mr_butler: hi? what kind of butler are you? |
| 05:34.40 | nvz | I want to hear some "good evening Sir." or something |
| 05:34.46 | Mr_butler | nvz; debian butler :) |
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| 05:35.26 | rdancer | hi folks |
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| 05:35.41 | Mr_butler | nvz; today i am off duty. so say good morning (not evening) urself |
| 05:35.52 | rdancer | anyone: how do i paste from/to galeon<->xterm? |
| 05:36.13 | nvz | rdancer: interested in reading the xterm manpage? |
| 05:36.30 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 05:37.10 | streuner_ | rdancer: iam not sure, xterm supports it, just install console or the gnome-terminal |
| 05:37.14 | Mr_butler | rdancer; copy from galeon, paste to gedit and save as text file. Then open xterm and cat the file. Now if you have gpm enabled, you can paste the text in your terminal with a right click |
| 05:37.34 | nvz | hmm.. I use aterm myself. but I usually install xterm for backup |
| 05:37.47 | nvz | never needed a backup yet.. heh |
| 05:38.07 | Penix | strncpy and strcat are teh shit |
| 05:38.14 | nvz | I never seem to run more than one tty or terminal, seems to be what screen is for |
| 05:38.16 | Mr_butler | How does one change the font size in xterm? My font size is too small |
| 05:38.20 | peterS | Penix: strcat? |
| 05:38.30 | peterS | Penix: ITYM strlcpy and strlcat (: |
| 05:38.37 | rdancer | Mr_butler: so the X clipboard (select text with a mouse, paste with middlebutton) works onlyif the gpm is running?! |
| 05:39.07 | Penix | nope |
| 05:39.12 | nvz | Mr_butler: in aterm I use -font 9x15 |
| 05:39.15 | rdancer | Mr_butler: oh, of course I have gpm running |
| 05:39.23 | streuner_ | Mr_butler: in aterm you press ALT + or - to change the size of the fonts, just try it. |
| 05:39.32 | Mr_butler | rdancer; to use gpm, (ie mouse support at console) you need not even have X |
| 05:40.12 | rdancer | Mr_butler: grr, i can copy/paste on console, and in X; I can't in gnome apps |
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| 05:41.26 | nt0x | What module does the Realtek Semiconductor RTL-8029 use? |
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| 05:41.33 | peterS | nt0x: ne2k-pci |
| 05:41.34 | streuner_ | ne2k-pci |
| 05:41.37 | Mr_butler | streuner_; nvz; What i want is suppose i have fluxbox running... And i want to open xterm with font of my choice and size, what do i give in the command line? is it $ xterm -font 9x15 ? |
| 05:41.39 | nt0x | peter, ty |
| 05:41.39 | rdancer | anybody: how do I copy from a gnome app to X clipboard? |
| 05:41.42 | nvz | streuner_: says in the manpage Alt->, Alt-< or Shift-KeyPad+ .. |
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| 05:41.48 | peterS | nt0x: note, this is built in to the bf2.4 kernel |
| 05:42.03 | streuner_ | nvz: yep, surely something like that... |
| 05:42.51 | Mr_butler | nvz; what does 9x15 stand for? |
| 05:42.53 | nvz | Mr_butler: try $ man xterm, because I for one use aterm |
| 05:43.04 | nvz | Mr_butler: its a char box size I would assume |
| 05:43.21 | peterS | Mr_butler: dimensions of each character cell, in pixels |
| 05:43.32 | nt0x | When you modprobe, and it is successful, it will automaticaaly come up again if I was to reboot correct? |
| 05:43.48 | peterS | nt0x: no - not unless you add the module to /etc/modules |
| 05:43.55 | Mr_butler | peterS; and how do i set a different font say courier? |
| 05:43.59 | nt0x | ok |
| 05:44.00 | nt0x | ty |
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| 05:44.23 | peterS | Mr_butler: in xterm? various ways - command line parameter '-fn' or X resouce in ~/.Xresources |
| 05:44.45 | peterS | Mr_butler: the font names are pretty baroque - type 'xlsfonts' to see them, or 'xfontsel' to browse them in a rather ugly interface |
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| 05:45.10 | helix | peterS: uglier than dselect? |
| 05:45.18 | peterS | helix: uglier than dselect. |
| 05:46.56 | nvz | xfontsel does have a very repulsive interface |
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| 05:47.25 | Mr_butler | I think the font addition has been simplified in later linux distros |
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| 05:47.35 | Misirlou | By the way, aren't those the old deprecated fonts? |
| 05:47.36 | cyberia | how do i exit x with just my keyboard |
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| 05:47.43 | Misirlou | cyberia: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 05:47.53 | cyberia | thanks Misirlou |
| 05:47.55 | nvz | but so do most all of the xbase-clients |
| 05:47.55 | Mr_butler | cyberia; Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 05:47.55 | peterS | Mr_butler: very much so, with the advent of the 'fontconfig' infrastructure, and Debian's defoma. |
| 05:48.00 | Misirlou | cyberia: You're welcome. |
| 05:48.08 | cyberia | dick dale and the deltones :) |
| 05:48.16 | erf | anyone use the radeon 9000 video card here? |
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| 05:48.25 | peterS | Mr_butler: afaik, xterm from XFree86 4.2 does not support either one of those. I think xterm from XFree86 4.3 *might* support fontconfig. I seem to have heard a rumor to that effect |
| 05:48.35 | erf | I need another video card and am wondering if it works in debian |
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| 05:48.41 | Misirlou | cyberia: Yep. :) |
| 05:48.46 | erf | it should it has the ati chipset |
| 05:49.00 | nvz | erf: read the compatibility on xfree86.org |
| 05:49.07 | floppyears | Mr_butler: try using Eterm |
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| 05:49.30 | erf | nvz thank you |
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| 05:49.50 | Mr_butler | peterS; I think good fonts are one thing that should be a must in any serious OS. |
| 05:50.18 | peterS | Mr_butler: "good fonts" is not the same thing as "easy-to-configure fonts", you know. although admittedly Unix and Linux have historically been lacking in both |
| 05:50.21 | nvz | erf: http://www.xfree86.org/current/Status.html |
| 05:50.22 | Mr_butler | floppyears; i am quite satisfied with xterm. Only the fonts are a bit small. |
| 05:51.01 | erf | nvz already there thanks man |
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| 05:51.36 | Misirlou | Mr_butler: UTF-8 might be a little shaky. I'm not sure how that works. |
| 05:51.37 | Mr_butler | peterS; Linux has good fonts (which are good for printing). But it lacks good online fonts |
| 05:52.18 | erf | nvs Accelerated support is provided for Mach64, Rage, Rage 128 and Radeon chips by the "ati" driver, as is unaccelerated support for all of the others except the Mach8 and some early Mach32 chips. |
| 05:52.18 | erf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.19 | Mr_butler | There is a big difference in fonts used for printing and those used to view text online |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | Mr_butler: I think the main problem is that font designers don't seem to have an equivalent to the open source culture you see with programmers. so *good* fonts that are also free (as in freedom) are hard to find |
| 05:52.40 | nvz | Mr_butler: as in on poorly programmed websites? |
| 05:52.44 | Mr_butler | the printer and screen have different resolutions that is why |
| 05:52.48 | erf | So I guess it is supported.... Now back to the question does anyone HERE USE IT???? |
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| 05:53.22 | nvz | erf: no the next question is how to target a distro with the right server |
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| 05:53.41 | nvz | erf: thats an information poll |
| 05:53.55 | Mr_butler | peterS; BitStream has brought out a set of fonts that are decent and free. check them out |
| 05:54.08 | peterS | Mr_butler: that's a question of proper hinting, and/or auto-hinting. and proper manual hinting is very much a question of quality font design |
| 05:54.22 | nvz | not to mention IT is quite vaguely <undefined> |
| 05:54.29 | erf | nvz: no disrespect man but there is a big difference between supporting something and using it! don't you aggree? |
| 05:55.07 | erf | nvz: I am just curious as to what others think about the card is all my friend |
| 05:55.24 | nvz | have you already got it? |
| 05:55.28 | Mr_butler | peterS; http://www.bitstream.com/categories/news/press/2003_bitstream/012203_gnome.htm |
| 05:56.32 | peterS | Mr_butler: I'm aware of the Vera family. it's an excellent contribution. but one set of fonts isn't enough, even good fonts |
| 05:56.46 | nvz | because if you are looking to purchase you could just take a poll on finely supported cards which would return more results than quering usage of "IT" |
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| 05:58.21 | Mr_butler | peterS; I have copied all my windows ttf (true type) fonts into linux. So i have access to most of the windows fonts in linux |
| 05:58.23 | erf | nvz: I would love to do such a thing unfortunately I don't know how... |
| 05:58.48 | peterS | Mr_butler: that helps a lot. too bad Microsoft isn't likely to donate them to the free software community as open source |
| 05:59.03 | johnsu01 | I'm trying to figure out what exactly is wrong with a mail spool file that gnus says is corrupted. What should the "head" of a /var/mail file look like? |
| 05:59.06 | Mr_butler | peterS; I believe it is free no? |
| 05:59.22 | peterS | Mr_butler: free as in "because you bought Windows", sure |
| 05:59.36 | Mr_butler | I dont think microsoft holds any right on those fonts |
| 05:59.40 | peterS | Mr_butler: I didn't buy Windows, so they aren't exactly free to me |
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| 06:00.15 | Mr_butler | I wonder what fonts MacOS uses? |
| 06:00.32 | nvz | who cares |
| 06:00.37 | peterS | Mr_butler: note, btw, that font bitmaps are apparently *not* copyrightable. font outlines probably are. but font hinting, which is the really hard part, certainly is copyrightable. |
| 06:00.48 | zenlunatic | nvz: Lucida Grande for system font |
| 06:00.52 | Mr_butler | And if we could make use of them in linux... then it would be a steal :) |
| 06:00.53 | johnsu01 | should a /var/mail file have something before the "From" line of the first message? |
| 06:01.03 | peterS | johnsu01: no |
| 06:01.15 | johnsu01 | peterS: a blank line? |
| 06:01.15 | nvz | zenlunatic: I suppose that is an answer for who cares. |
| 06:01.24 | peterS | johnsu01: not unless you're using PMDF, heaven forbid |
| 06:01.25 | cyberia | i'm using a fresh install of debian2.4.18bf2.4 with a nvidia TNT2 card. I ran x86config to setup my xserver and when i try to startx i get: (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration. How should i go about fixing this? |
| 06:01.29 | zenlunatic | Mr_butler: Lucida Grande |
| 06:01.30 | johnsu01 | hm |
| 06:01.38 | nvz | zenlunatic: I dont know if I should be happy or sad that you know this |
| 06:01.40 | erf | lol |
| 06:02.11 | cafuego | Mr_butler: It used to use Chicago and now it uses Charcoal. |
| 06:02.30 | helix | cafuego: my hummus is good! |
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| 06:02.39 | cafuego | helix: cooool :-) |
| 06:02.49 | Mr_butler | cafuego; are they true type fonts? |
| 06:02.51 | peterS | hummus a tune, helix |
| 06:02.53 | cafuego | Mr_butler: Yes. |
| 06:03.03 | nvz | cyberia: may be invalid sync range specification for the monitor or wrong answer to the framebuffer question, in any case a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 seems to be nessicary |
| 06:03.11 | cafuego | Mr_butler: Mind you, Mac ttf fonts have a different file format from the windoze ones. |
| 06:03.18 | Mr_butler | cafuego; so we could easily import them to be used in linux? |
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| 06:03.31 | cyberia | nvz: thanks i will try it out |
| 06:03.35 | peterS | Mr_butler: if you have a legal copy of Mac OS, probably |
| 06:03.52 | nvz | cyberia: what drivers are you using? |
| 06:03.54 | zenlunatic | nvz: If me knowing something effects you emotionally you have problems. |
| 06:04.15 | cafuego | Mr_butler: There is a font conversion tool for macos, with chick you can generate TTF files. |
| 06:04.27 | cafuego | s/chick/which/ |
| 06:04.33 | Penix | real men use System 7.5 and Chicago |
| 06:04.46 | cafuego | Penix: I have 6.0.1 |
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| 06:05.02 | streuner_ | heh, what are 'real men'? :-) |
| 06:05.04 | cafuego | No I lie, I have 6.0.4 |
| 06:05.07 | Penix | need to find a copy of 8.0 |
| 06:05.15 | cafuego | Penix: Got DSL? |
| 06:05.20 | Penix | cafuego: nope |
| 06:05.30 | cafuego | Penix: Still a modem luser eh? |
| 06:05.34 | Penix | cafuego: yep |
| 06:05.42 | cafuego | fsck fsck fsck |
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| 06:05.59 | peterS | cafuego: *** FILE SYSTEM HAS BEEN MODIFIED *** |
| 06:06.17 | cafuego | Jan 3 17:03:26 sancerre kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 06:06.18 | Mr_butler | cafuego; u should not use that word here ;) Read the server guidelines |
| 06:06.29 | Penix | speaking of MacOS. iCab is teh shiznit |
| 06:06.32 | cafuego | Jan 3 17:05:18 sancerre last message repeated 8 times |
| 06:06.35 | Penix | for 68k anyway |
| 06:06.39 | johnsu01 | peterS: gnus is claiming the mail file is corrupt; don't see anything wrong with it. any ideas? |
| 06:06.42 | cafuego | Penix: Yes, it is. For PPC too. |
| 06:07.09 | helix | Penix: what do real women use? |
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| 06:07.11 | nvz | cafuego: using a RealTek? heh |
| 06:07.12 | peterS | johnsu01: you said it has a blank line at the top? that would be wrong. or, are the messages not separated with blank line then 'From '? that would mean it too |
| 06:07.15 | RainbowW | i don't understand this. what's the point of spams that have bodies like "grail quadrangle sulfurous boredom moratorium corpulent esteem neal blueberry embargoes compton huffman brassiere scar blest extenuate wimenake beep crag nancy sponge"? no links or anything |
| 06:07.28 | cafuego | nvz: No, this is a tulip |
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| 06:07.50 | cafuego | RainbowW: "it obfuscates the anti-spam scanners" |
| 06:07.58 | Penix | helix: System 8.1 and Geneva |
| 06:08.00 | peterS | johnsu01: or if the 'Content-Length' field of a message is wrong.. |
| 06:08.06 | nvz | oh, well my LNE100TX did that too, but the RTL819x series seemed to time out alot |
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| 06:08.22 | johnsu01 | peterS: well, I had tampered with the mail file, because it originally _was_ corrupted. however, i just tested it with a mail file straight from procmail (no tampering) and get the same error.. |
| 06:08.40 | cafuego | nvz: I used to have realtek cards, now I have a very large hammer and a box of components. |
| 06:08.51 | Penix | heh |
| 06:08.53 | cafuego | johnsu01: maybe emacs is out of memory. |
| 06:08.54 | peterS | johnsu01: dunno then. gnus might be more strict about certain things (like insisting on "Content-Length" being correct) than other mail tools |
| 06:08.56 | nvz | cafuego: yeah me too actually.. |
| 06:08.59 | cafuego | johnsu01: Do you have 2Gb free ram? |
| 06:09.23 | Penix | 2gb? thought 21 required 8gb and highmem support etc. |
| 06:09.27 | nvz | cafuego: actually my laptop pieces are all in one of those zip up folder things |
| 06:09.40 | cafuego | nvz: <heh> |
| 06:10.01 | peterS | Penix: you can run it in 2 GB. of course it will spend all its time saying "Garbage collecting..." on the minibuffer line |
| 06:10.02 | cafuego | timing out on a Packages.gz file is not acceptable. |
| 06:10.12 | nvz | cafuego: except for the battery I threw weeks ago and landed behind my door that I have never picked up |
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| 06:10.27 | Penix | heh |
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| 06:10.50 | peterS | hmmm, shall we tell administrator about root? |
| 06:11.11 | nvz | oh and I put the hd in a separate padded box recently after my attempt to use an IDE converter failed |
| 06:11.15 | Penix | shall we tell administrator about NT administration? |
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| 06:11.38 | nvz | Penix: is there really anything interesting to tell? |
| 06:11.43 | administrator | peterS: what about me and root? |
| 06:11.54 | nvz | Penix: might make a nice long pay-per-view movie |
| 06:11.56 | johnsu01 | cafuego: i'll check, but that would be very strange. |
| 06:12.07 | Caelum | administrator: he has some naughty photos... |
| 06:12.10 | nvz | doubt anyone would pay to see it though |
| 06:12.23 | cafuego | johnsu01: Don't worry about it, I was just mocking emacs. |
| 06:12.24 | johnsu01 | cafuego: 2GB, um no. :) |
| 06:12.27 | administrator | Caelum: oh, no thanks |
| 06:12.27 | cafuego | !mock emacs |
| 06:12.28 | Penix | except MSCE dudes |
| 06:12.37 | peterS | administrator: nothing in particular. your nick and username look suspiciously like you are logged in with a superuser account on Windows NT. not a good idea, for quite a few reasons |
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| 06:12.58 | johnsu01 | cafuego: right, my response was a little slow :) maybe _I_ am out of memory. |
| 06:13.16 | administrator | I'm actually on a linux box... |
| 06:13.31 | captbunzo | hey, folks. |
| 06:13.42 | captbunzo | I'd like to try the current version of the new Debian installer. |
| 06:13.49 | captbunzo | can anyone point me toward the right place? |
| 06:13.58 | RainbowW | how's that for leaping to conclusions. sirc 2.2.11+ksirc/1.2.4 ... a simple ctcp version reveals all ... yawn ... |
| 06:14.13 | administrator | is their a specific channel for getting some cups help? |
| 06:14.23 | nvz | cafuego: I have a strange question.. if the new version wasnt current would it still be new? if not, could it be current? |
| 06:14.27 | nvz | captbunzo: |
| 06:14.36 | nvz | damn completion |
| 06:14.42 | captbunzo | (hehe) |
| 06:14.52 | RainbowW | cafuego, depends on the window you assign something as being "new." |
| 06:15.07 | peterS | administrator: not really. if you're using cups on debian, this is probably the place |
| 06:15.10 | captbunzo | any REAL pointers? :) |
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| 06:15.52 | Penix | int *debian-installer; debian-installer = &google; |
| 06:15.55 | Penix | how's that for a pointer |
| 06:16.02 | nvz | haha |
| 06:16.03 | administrator | peterS: ok, well I'm not really sure where to start...I'm using the HP driver hpoj which recognizes my printer, I got the ppd file from linuxprinting.org |
| 06:16.09 | Xenocide | pssh |
| 06:16.13 | cafuego | Penix: Segfault |
| 06:16.16 | Penix | hehe |
| 06:16.27 | Xenocide | unsigned char* progeny = 0xA9; |
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| 06:16.52 | peterS | Xenocide: a hard-coded pointer address? what is this, an embedded system? |
| 06:16.55 | captbunzo | ok, new question. |
| 06:16.55 | administrator | peterS: when I try to add a printer using the kde printer wizard I select lp0 (which is where my printer is) and I try the test page and get nothing...just dropped... |
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| 06:17.12 | captbunzo | I have a 160 GB hard drive that is eventually going to dual boot WinXP and Debian. |
| 06:17.17 | Xenocide | peterS: sure. i just got done with an embedded systems class this semseter! |
| 06:17.22 | Xenocide | i feel all l33t now |
| 06:17.25 | captbunzo | The WinXP install needs to be pretty basic. |
| 06:17.27 | Penix | heh |
| 06:17.49 | administrator | peterS: not even sure where to start looking for problems...new to printer under linux...can you offer any advice? |
| 06:17.55 | captbunzo | The Debian install is going to be used as a PVR using either Freevo or MythTV (leaning toward MythTV). |
| 06:18.05 | captbunzo | Anyone got any advice on how the heck to partition it all? |
| 06:18.21 | peterS | captbunzo: word of advice: I bet your BIOS copes better with the boot process if you put the system partitions for both Linux and WinXP below the 128 GB mark |
| 06:18.33 | cafuego | Hmm, are ppc kernels compiled with 8139too support by default? |
| 06:18.53 | Xenocide | captbunzo: dual booting is a difficult procedure. usually windows wants the first FAT32 partition, or NTFS if you're dont need shared access |
| 06:19.01 | peterS | captbunzo: beyond that, divide up your data partitions however you wish. put in a FAT32 partition if you need to share data between the two |
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| 06:19.40 | Xenocide | captbunzo: I went with a four partition scheme via gentoo, that I've carried over to debian. first windows, then a /boot, then a swap partition, then the linux root system |
| 06:19.41 | cafuego | yes there are, good. |
| 06:19.51 | Phantom | or just don't install XP :) |
| 06:20.02 | Xenocide | captbunzo: since you're looking to do PVR, you'd probably need a second drive for the storage itself |
| 06:20.12 | captbunzo | I used to always do this complicated partitioning scheme with a seperate /, /usr, /var, and /home partitions. |
| 06:20.15 | peterS | Xenocide: these days there isn't much reason to use a separate /boot partition in Linux, unless you really need your root partition to run over the 128 GB mark |
| 06:20.21 | captbunzo | Xenocide: a second drive? |
| 06:20.26 | Xenocide | captbunzo: performance |
| 06:20.41 | Xenocide | peterS: yea, i dont even use it anymore, but its only 100 megabytes |
| 06:20.43 | kuru | packages.debian.org has been blown by a N. korean nuclear missile.. |
| 06:20.44 | kuru | right? |
| 06:20.48 | kuru | tell us the truth ! |
| 06:21.02 | captbunzo | Xenocide: ah. the drive is a brand new WD 160 GB drive, 7200 RPM, 8 MB cache. |
| 06:21.15 | captbunzo | got it at MicroCenter for $100, after the rebates. :) |
| 06:21.16 | peterS | kuru: actually, somebody miscalculated. turned out there *is* a spoon after all. chaos ensued |
| 06:21.36 | Xenocide | captbunzo: well, for best performance, you'd have a drive for the system and a drive for the PVR itself. most of the real PVRs just stick all the code in RAM or ROM |
| 06:22.00 | captbunzo | Xenocide: I am with you, just can't afford to buy another new hard drive. |
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| 06:22.27 | captbunzo | perhaps after a while I could get an old, smaller drive to serve as the system drive. |
| 06:22.28 | kuru | how man.. since nov. 21.. this is rather depressing ;) |
| 06:22.32 | kuru | I wish I could do something to help |
| 06:22.34 | Xenocide | captbunzo: just a thought. with that in mind, id make a 5th partition that just holds your video. then you can migrate to a second drive |
| 06:22.42 | captbunzo | Xenocide: any tips on partitioning? |
| 06:22.45 | Xenocide | when you get the chance/desire |
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| 06:22.49 | captbunzo | captbunzo: yep... |
| 06:23.00 | sdude | anyone willing to help me set up autofs? |
| 06:23.14 | captbunzo | Xenocide: do I really need to go all out with seperate partitions for /, /usr, /home, /var, etc? |
| 06:23.19 | Xenocide | captbunzo: na |
| 06:23.38 | nvz | kuru: send beer, money, and women with big tits, that always seems to help |
| 06:23.41 | Xenocide | its a mainframe thing where that sort of stuff matters for backup, redundancy etc |
| 06:23.46 | captbunzo | obviously the video partition should be seperate, but beyond that? what is practical for just a home PVR box? |
| 06:23.54 | peterS | captbunzo: what I do these days is create a single /data partition, with dirs for all the volatile stuff (/home and /var, mostly) then use bind mounts |
| 06:24.13 | captbunzo | peterS: bind mounts? |
| 06:24.17 | kuru | nvz: I think the problem is that the people in charge have found the beer and women with big tits already ;) [not sure about the money though] ;) |
| 06:24.24 | peterS | captbunzo: I use tmpfs for /tmp, so that's just a ramdisk, and I don't bother with a separate /usr |
| 06:24.59 | mojo | anyone know why my console fonts in kernel 2.6.0 would be very dark? |
| 06:24.59 | captbunzo | peterS: what about a /boot partition - I have heard some good arguments for that? |
| 06:25.01 | peterS | captbunzo: linux kernel 2.4 feature: basically mount an existing directory (from a mounted filesystem) onto another directory |
| 06:25.10 | nvz | kuru: you see the part about those three things is that if you have any two of the three you can easily get the other |
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| 06:25.36 | peterS | captbunzo: I've got no good arguments for /boot, unless your BIOS can't handle booting the root partition. for example, if you need to put the root partition on a second or third hard drive, or it crosses the 128 GB mark on a single drive |
| 06:25.36 | captbunzo | peterS: how is that any better than just using a symbolic link? |
| 06:25.47 | kuru | nvz: hardly ;) for geeks to have women, they would have to be spending their money ;) |
| 06:25.51 | Xenocide | captbunzo: another reason for seperate partitions for /var and /home is that if one of them runs of of space, the system can handle it |
| 06:25.58 | captbunzo | peterS: concerning /boot, sounds good to me... |
| 06:26.09 | Xenocide | captbunzo: its really not a large concern for your needs, if you manage it carefully. |
| 06:26.12 | peterS | captbunzo: it's not that much better than a symlink. I think it's tidier |
| 06:26.19 | peterS | captbunzo: let me dcc you my /etc/fstab - enjoy... |
| 06:26.22 | RainbowW | kuru: i'd like a girl. but i a) don't have money, and b) already am a girl. so what do i do? |
| 06:26.24 | captbunzo | :) |
| 06:26.39 | kuru | RainbowW: I'm not sure what b) has to do with it ;) |
| 06:26.41 | bztunk | RainbowW: pics? |
| 06:26.41 | captbunzo | try that again. |
| 06:27.02 | captbunzo | thanks! :) |
| 06:27.03 | kuru | seriously though.. is there anything anyone can do to help? |
| 06:27.04 | Xenocide | captbunzo: really, you want to keep as few partitions as possible so you don't confuse XP |
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| 06:27.27 | captbunzo | Xenocide: an unconfused XP? Is there really such a thing? :) |
| 06:27.38 | peterS | captbunzo: note that in this fstab file I hadn't moved to using tmpfs for /tmp yet |
| 06:27.41 | Xenocide | captbunzo: its a fuzzy logic deal |
| 06:27.48 | Xenocide | less confused XP |
| 06:27.48 | escarpin | hi, anyone knows which are the official source URIs for sid? |
| 06:27.50 | peterS | captbunzo: the last couple of entries are for USB key drives |
| 06:28.13 | nvz | escarpin: /msg dpkg woody->sid |
| 06:28.43 | sdude | anyone willing to help me set up autofs? |
| 06:28.50 | nvz | escarpin: apt-setup, or debian.org is a good source of official package mirrors |
| 06:29.01 | escarpin | nvz: but I don't have the source URIs for woody |
| 06:29.01 | captbunzo | peterS: could you have done both sdb1 and sdc2 to /u? |
| 06:29.14 | peterS | captbunzo: I suppose, but then "mount /u" is ambiguous |
| 06:29.16 | RainbowW | sdude: no. |
| 06:29.21 | escarpin | nvz: ok, I'll try searching again on debian.org, thanks |
| 06:29.23 | kuru | phew.. finally cleaned up my mailbox |
| 06:29.37 | peterS | captbunzo: so no, not really (: |
| 06:29.51 | sdude | fine! |
| 06:30.01 | captbunzo | peterS, ah, I take it you sometime plug your key into the different usb ports on the front of your computer? |
| 06:30.03 | zenwolf | speaking of mirrors, is there a problem with mirrors.rcn.net? |
| 06:30.08 | helix | any chemists here? |
| 06:30.36 | peterS | captbunzo: actually no. the Linux SCSI layer remembers your key drive and if you use a different one it gives it a new device name. even if you don't have both plugged in at once. |
| 06:30.54 | captbunzo | hmmnn. interesting. |
| 06:30.59 | escarpin | nvz: ok, now I feel dumb... it appears it's only copying the binary URI but replacing deb with deb-src |
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| 06:31.09 | nvz | escarpin: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 06:31.10 | peterS | captbunzo: so any USB drives you've plugged in since booting (or since loading the scsi base module) will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi even after you unplug them |
| 06:31.33 | nvz | escarpin: I have no clue what you are talking about |
| 06:31.39 | Xenocide | escarpin: thats basically it, man |
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| 06:32.03 | Xenocide | you might try and file a bug that using deb-src isn't nearly obscure enough.... |
| 06:32.04 | escarpin | Xenocide: yep, I just realized it... thanks |
| 06:32.29 | Penix | ~test |
| 06:32.31 | | Passed |
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| 06:32.52 | escarpin | nvz: I wanted the URIs for the source repository, not the binary one... but it seems they're practically the same |
| 06:33.07 | captbunzo | peterS: any reason in particular you use ext3 over rieserfs? |
| 06:33.15 | Xenocide | ca;t |
| 06:33.22 | nvz | escarpin: pretty much. |
| 06:33.23 | peterS | captbunzo: as I often say, "when the fsck tool seg faults, it makes me nervous" |
| 06:33.31 | captbunzo | :) |
| 06:33.31 | Xenocide | captbunzo: extraordinary precaution |
| 06:33.48 | Xenocide | its a virtue really |
| 06:33.50 | peterS | captbunzo: reiserfs had a well-earned reputation in the old days for flakiness. they say it has improved a lot since then, but I still use ext3 |
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| 06:34.54 | peterS | captbunzo: part of it is attitude: the reiserfs team originally put the fsck tool as last priority, expecting that you'd never need to really use it anyway due to journalling. that attitude also makes me nervous, because I think it betrays some misunderstandings about data integrity issues |
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| 06:35.41 | mateusz | Hi |
| 06:36.01 | captbunzo | peterS: how big are your / and /data partitions? |
| 06:36.08 | mateusz | How to enable index.py execution in apache2 ? |
| 06:36.09 | marcelo | hey |
| 06:36.25 | peterS | captbunzo: 2 GB and 7 GB |
| 06:36.53 | peterS | captbunzo: these days, btw, swap *files* are pretty much as efficient as swap *partitions*, so I don't bother with the latter |
| 06:36.53 | marcelo | can anyone help me with gnome install |
| 06:37.10 | Xenocide | captbunzo: id give you a listing, but i havent figured out how to make win32 read my fat32 partition |
| 06:37.13 | mateusz | marcelo: what's difficult in it ? |
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| 06:38.20 | Xenocide | captbunzo: the one caveat i can recommend is to install xp first, then install linux. the two have a differing opinion of bootloaders, and linux's is usually more friendly. though i hear either one can perform the job |
| 06:39.16 | captbunzo | Xenocide: what I did last time I had a dual Debian/XP install was to install Debian first, then XP, but to make sure I had a liloed boot floppy around. |
| 06:39.20 | marcelo | mateusz, it just cant configure gnome-games |
| 06:39.34 | Xenocide | captbunzo: you can just use the boot cd and chroot |
| 06:39.37 | captbunzo | then when I got XP base installed, I booted into Debian and got lilo setup correctly on the drive. |
| 06:39.41 | captbunzo | yep. |
| 06:39.45 | captbunzo | that too. :) |
| 06:39.56 | Xenocide | its a bit of a pain though, if you forget the details |
| 06:40.14 | marcelo | mateusz, and then it doesnt complete the instalation |
| 06:40.17 | captbunzo | definately a delicate process. |
| 06:40.51 | marcelo | mateusz, cause gnome-desktop-environment `depends` on it |
| 06:40.59 | mateusz | marcelo: ok maybe try to finish installation without gnome-games package and the if you really need it try to install it.. |
| 06:41.17 | marcelo | mateusz, how do i do that? |
| 06:41.49 | mateusz | marcelo: ok first install gnome-core |
| 06:41.50 | captbunzo | :) computers are fun - been a long time since I got away with buying new computer hardware. |
| 06:41.55 | marcelo | mateusz, i tried dpkg --purge gnome-games... and the apt-get -f install |
| 06:42.06 | captbunzo | a wife and kids kind of puts that on the back burner. :) |
| 06:42.11 | mateusz | marcelo: are you installing by apt-get install gnome ? |
| 06:42.18 | Xenocide | captbunzo: they're fun when you buy stuff everyone's familiar with. when its old or nobody knows about them, it really sucks |
| 06:42.25 | marcelo | i have installed the whole package of gnome |
| 06:42.31 | marcelo | mateusz, yes |
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| 06:42.39 | Ryuujin | this channel never sleeps. |
| 06:42.42 | mateusz | marcelo: try to install gnome-core first |
| 06:42.58 | marcelo | mateusz, apt-get install gnome-core? |
| 06:43.02 | mateusz | marcelo: the add your favourite packages |
| 06:43.17 | mateusz | marcelo: yes |
| 06:43.37 | marcelo | mateusz, but it has already installed everything, there are only 3 packs missing |
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| 06:44.03 | mateusz | marcelo: so install gnome-desktop-environment and the the rest.. |
| 06:44.21 | mateusz | marcelo: I mean "then" |
| 06:44.42 | marcelo | mateusz, i tried to install gnome-desktop-environment but it tries to install gnome games |
| 06:44.45 | captbunzo | well, gotta shutdown to take a CD-Rom out of this computer. |
| 06:44.52 | captbunzo | thanks for the help, folks! :) |
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| 06:45.19 | mateusz | marcelo: so install them both apt-get gnome-desktop-environment gnome-games.. I guess |
| 06:45.48 | marcelo | mateusz, but gnome-games is broken |
| 06:46.07 | mateusz | right :) |
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| 06:46.32 | mateusz | marcelo: apt-get remove gnome-games maybe |
| 06:47.50 | marcelo | ohh |
| 06:48.00 | marcelo | mateusz, i think i solved the problem!!! |
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| 06:48.11 | mateusz | marcelo: ok |
| 06:48.16 | marcelo | mateusz, thanks for the help man!!! |
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| 06:48.30 | mateusz | marcelo: np |
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| 06:52.18 | mateusz | How to enable index.py python scripts execution in apache2 ? |
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| 06:52.45 | mateusz | Do I have to add somethink besides mod_python ? |
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| 06:53.47 | mateusz | I just want to index.py be executed by apache2 |
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| 06:56.13 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 07:00.03 | Rakko | Could someone tell me which package, if any, in Debian has the binary lpr-cups? |
| 07:01.00 | Eno_ | packages.debian.org |
| 07:01.06 | Eno_ | nm |
| 07:01.09 | Eno_ | still down |
| 07:01.54 | Rakko | Eno_: I know... it's pissing me off |
| 07:02.01 | Rakko | I thought the other day it was back, but apparently not |
| 07:02.10 | Eno_ | have you tried what it suggests? |
| 07:02.16 | Rakko | And no one can seem to give me any way to check, WITHOUT using the site :( |
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| 07:02.57 | Rakko | well, I tried apt-search |
| 07:03.00 | Rakko | let's try the other two |
| 07:03.46 | Rakko | apt-file returned no results |
| 07:03.51 | Rakko | wth is findpkg? |
| 07:04.21 | Rakko | (the page says "...findpkg (--> Google)..."... but I have no idea what they're saying there. What is the relation of findpkg to Google? |
| 07:05.22 | Eno_ | searching |
| 07:05.23 | Eno_ | ? |
| 07:05.41 | JimButton | Rakko: they are lovers |
| 07:06.02 | Rakko | oh |
| 07:06.13 | Rakko | that's sweet |
| 07:06.38 | Rakko | anyway, I'm trying to set up samba to expose my CUPS-driven printer |
| 07:06.58 | Rakko | and the example smb.conf I am looking at says: print command = lpr-cups -P %p -o raw %s |
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| 07:07.13 | Rakko | but I don't have 'lpr-cups' (although I have lpr) |
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| 07:07.36 | wobbler | Rakko look here http://www.usefulcontent.org/adlocum/dest/manpages/?docType=man&parm=1%20lpr-cups |
| 07:07.47 | JimButton | what about the cupsys* packages? |
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| 07:08.26 | Rakko | JimButton: dpkg -S didn't find it |
| 07:08.37 | JimButton | anyway, just install the CUPS printing server and use the lpr command in ther |
| 07:08.39 | JimButton | e |
| 07:08.53 | JimButton | you can symlink it to lpr-cups if you like |
| 07:08.55 | Rakko | wobbler: thanks, but although that is filed under 'lpr-cups', the actual content refers only to |
| 07:08.58 | Rakko | wobbler: thanks, but although that is filed under 'lpr-cups', the actual content refers only to 'lpr' |
| 07:09.04 | Rakko | ok. thanks |
| 07:09.15 | JimButton | Rakko: i think lpr-cups will just be the lpr provided by CUPS |
| 07:09.16 | mateusz | Rakko: dpkg -L cupsys-bsd |
| 07:09.26 | Demosthenes | ok, i'm trying to add a package to the system, in a reproduceable manner.... someone had suggested using dpkg --{get,set}-selections to/from a file, but it doesn't seem to take. |
| 07:09.30 | Rakko | I have cupsys-bsd |
| 07:09.33 | Demosthenes | any suggestions |
| 07:10.02 | mateusz | Rakko: cupsys-bsd has is't lpr binary |
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| 07:10.09 | Rakko | thanks. |
| 07:10.10 | arcangel | can someone help |
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| 07:10.14 | Rakko | it's just named lpr |
| 07:10.18 | arcangel | im having problems with apt-get |
| 07:10.33 | peterS | arcangel: you're gonna have to be a bit more specific |
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| 07:11.29 | arcangel | I get Err http:// and Failed to fetch http:// E: Failed to fetch some archives. |
| 07:11.46 | arcangel | I did already apt-get update |
| 07:11.46 | mateusz | :) |
| 07:11.51 | arcangel | :( |
| 07:12.26 | arcangel | any idea how to fix that probrem? |
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| 07:13.13 | JimButton | arcangel: "Err http://"? |
| 07:13.17 | JimButton | like that? |
| 07:13.19 | JimButton | looks fucked |
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| 07:14.08 | bucky | hi lilo |
| 07:14.18 | arcangel | its kiknd of long |
| 07:14.27 | arcangel | dont want to flood |
| 07:15.00 | JimButton | arcangel: maybe your mirror servers are down? |
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| 07:15.59 | unixfool`` | I have use-ssh-agent in my Xsession.options file, but on one of my computers it doesnt start.. why might that be? |
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| 07:17.08 | arcangel | could be but I was there jsut know |
| 07:17.12 | arcangel | let me changet them anyway |
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| 07:19.28 | Tchiak | hell |
| 07:19.32 | Tchiak | hello |
| 07:19.45 | unixfool`` | hi |
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| 07:19.51 | Tchiak | i'm trying to install Yahoo messenger and it keeps asking for glibc 2.3 |
| 07:19.57 | Tchiak | but i can't find a package for that |
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| 07:21.18 | unixfool`` | Tchiak: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 07:25.09 | Tchiak | ok |
| 07:25.18 | Tchiak | libc6 2.2.5-11.5 |
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| 07:25.47 | JimButton | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:25.55 | JimButton | Tchiak: you use stable? |
| 07:26.05 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: you are using woody, and yahoo messenger keeps asking you for that 2.3 pkg ? |
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| 07:26.53 | c | stop saying my name!!! |
| 07:27.04 | p4ssw0rd_X | ae esse lokal funciona |
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| 07:27.38 | Tchiak | i use Linux 2.4.16-686 |
| 07:27.50 | peterS | !c++ |
| 07:28.11 | p4ssw0rd_X | 2.4.23 |
| 07:28.16 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: does your /etc/apt/sources.list contains something else than 'stable' ? |
| 07:28.40 | Piru | this is not about linux kernel version, this is about debian version |
| 07:28.51 | Tchiak | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 07:28.56 | JimButton | stable, yes |
| 07:29.03 | JimButton | that does not contain libc 2.3 |
| 07:29.20 | LonelyOne | so it's weird the yahoo messenger pkg asks for it |
| 07:29.41 | p4ssw0rd_X | eu tenho lokal ate 2.4.21 |
| 07:29.42 | JimButton | LonelyOne: why? maybe it needs some features which are new in 2.3? |
| 07:29.52 | p4ssw0rd_X | queria ´pra 2.4.22 e 2.4.23 |
| 07:29.57 | Tchiak | so i need it to look for unstable as well? |
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| 07:30.22 | Piru | well, testing is a possibility, tho it has no security updated |
| 07:30.58 | Piru | updates even |
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| 07:31.14 | LonelyOne | JimButton: it would be stupid from maintainers to move a package to stable, which requires a libc not available in stable |
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| 07:31.33 | JimButton | LonelyOne: isn't yahoo messenger only some installer package? |
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| 07:31.42 | JimButton | i can't imagine that it is in main |
| 07:32.02 | LonelyOne | JimButton: dunno, i thought it was weird : i always used gaim, never heard of a yahoo only package.. |
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| 07:32.58 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: what yahoo messenger packages did you tried to install ? |
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| 07:33.56 | medwards | Anyone here clever with perl and i18n? |
| 07:34.15 | richie-- | Hey, i am using kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 on debian stable, and i need to know how to add the software raid module in the kernel, i know the command modconf, but where is the module? |
| 07:34.49 | medwards | richie: md? |
| 07:34.49 | Tchiak | ymessenger_1.0.4.1_i386.deb |
| 07:34.52 | richie-- | yeah |
| 07:34.58 | richie-- | where in the menu is it? |
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| 07:35.36 | JimButton | Tchiak: i don't see that package in stable |
| 07:35.41 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: so you got it from somewhere else ? not through an official mirror, using apt-get install ? |
| 07:35.53 | Tchiak | that's cause i downloaded it from yahoos site |
| 07:36.07 | JimButton | Tchiak: ok, then they provide it for unstable or testing probably |
| 07:36.14 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: look carefully at the web page where you got that file, it should be printed "for testing" or "for unstable" braunch.. i guess |
| 07:36.16 | medwards | richie: don't know modconf particularly, but the modules you need are md and raid1 (0, 5, whichever) |
| 07:36.31 | richie-- | Okay, thank you sir. |
| 07:36.35 | Demosthenes | so whats the difference between running dselect-upgrade and upgrade with apt-get? |
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| 07:37.58 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: if you want to install a yahoo-messenger-compatible prog, i suggest gaim : view its features and shots at http://gaim.sf.net and install it using "apt-get install gaim" |
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| 07:38.09 | medwards | richie: try modprobe raid1 (etc.) first to see what dependencies it pulls in. |
| 07:38.16 | richie-- | yeah |
| 07:38.43 | richie-- | i was thinking of doing a modprobe, but didnt know the module name |
| 07:38.43 | richie-- | hehe |
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| 07:39.49 | Tchiak | man the rest of the house is like reallllly cold.. but this room is staying hot |
| 07:39.50 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: indeed.. there's no debian version (braunch) indication there.. sry for that |
| 07:39.52 | medwards | richie: lvm is also an option |
| 07:40.12 | richie-- | lvm? |
| 07:40.28 | troubled | lvm is your daddy |
| 07:40.33 | richie-- | lol |
| 07:40.36 | troubled | ~who is your daddy? |
| 07:40.37 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 07:40.41 | richie-- | LVM! lvm! |
| 07:40.43 | troubled | w00t! |
| 07:40.51 | richie-- | ~who is your daddy? |
| 07:40.53 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 07:40.54 | JimButton | ~sex |
| 07:40.56 | | get off irc you filthy pervert. |
| 07:40.57 | richie-- | hah |
| 07:41.09 | troubled | apt: wb |
| 07:41.11 | | thx |
| 07:41.20 | troubled | apt: where have you been? |
| 07:41.21 | | out drinking with the bots. |
| 07:41.25 | troubled | rofl |
| 07:41.25 | JimButton | lol |
| 07:41.33 | Tchiak | this sucks |
| 07:41.42 | Tchiak | my ESS sound chip doesn't get detected |
| 07:41.42 | JimButton | apt: cigarette? |
| 07:41.44 | | JimButton: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:41.51 | JimButton | ah, stupid bot |
| 07:42.11 | richie-- | apt: software raid |
| 07:42.13 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, richie-- |
| 07:42.16 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 07:42.16 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 07:42.20 | richie-- | bastard |
| 07:42.35 | troubled | so who wants lvm now? |
| 07:43.13 | Demosthenes | ok, new one. how do you query what version of a package is installed, versus what the latest version available is? |
| 07:43.30 | peterS | Demosthenes: dpkg -l |
| 07:43.41 | peterS | Demosthenes: or dlocate -l, if you have dlocate installed, which caches this stuff so it's faster |
| 07:43.51 | Demosthenes | peterS: ok, that shows me whats installed. |
| 07:44.16 | peterS | Demosthenes: use 'apt-cache show' for what is *available* |
| 07:45.34 | Tchiak | gaim won't let me do yahoo messenger |
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| 07:45.47 | richie-- | Quick question, where do i configure software raid, i am reading a howto, and it says /etc/raidtab, if i dont have that file do i create it, or should it be there for me? |
| 07:45.49 | Demosthenes | peterS: so why would there be multiple versions in apt-cache show? |
| 07:45.57 | Demosthenes | peterS: seeing as i'm on stable |
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| 07:46.08 | tictac | anyone got lm_sensors working with 2.6? |
| 07:46.13 | peterS | Demosthenes: because you've got multiple apt sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and more than one has a particular package |
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| 07:46.38 | peterS | Demosthenes: one common reason for this is that there has been a security update so the package shows up both on http.??.debian.org and on security.debian.org, different versions |
| 07:46.48 | sal_veya | hey all |
| 07:46.53 | sal_veya | atrus, you about? |
| 07:46.56 | cafuego | tictac: yes, but the utils don't work with the 2.6 version (yet) coz it uses sysfs |
| 07:47.02 | tictac | ahh. i see |
| 07:47.16 | Demosthenes | peterS: doesn't show which source it got it from. |
| 07:47.20 | tictac | ive tried to get it working a few times with no luck at all |
| 07:47.25 | LonelyOne | Tchiak: yes it will, i use it for yahoo, msn, jabber and icq.. |
| 07:47.46 | Tchiak | it doesn't have an option |
| 07:47.51 | peterS | Demosthenes: true. the 'Filename' field still hints at it, though - if there is a '/updates/' in the path somewhere, it's on security.debian.org |
| 07:47.54 | fpmc | I have a question about dselect. I wish to get to see the unstable packages, but I remember that last time I did this, many of my packages (such as gcc) were updated in my dselect list automatically, and I had no way to remove all of them. All I want is to install a few unstable packages, that's it! |
| 07:47.55 | Tchiak | only AIM/ICQ and TOC protocol |
| 07:48.19 | Demosthenes | peterS: ah! thanks! |
| 07:48.31 | fpmc | Anyway to install unstable packages without actually making dselect update my list automatically? |
| 07:48.38 | peterS | Demosthenes: not a hard-and-fast rule, of course - it just happens to be true (: |
| 07:48.42 | Demosthenes | peterS: so, would you know why apt-get upgrade doesn't want to install anything, while apt-get dselect-upgrade does? |
| 07:49.15 | zeeble | fpmc search for apt-preferences |
| 07:49.22 | fpmc | zeeble: thank you |
| 07:49.53 | peterS | Demosthenes: dselect has a somewhat different mechanism for sorting out dependencies - it sucks in packages mentioned in 'Recommends' fields, by default, unless you disable that. and any package selection done through dselect will not be visible to 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 07:49.56 | zeeble | fpmc http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?AptPinning |
| 07:50.20 | zeeble | fpmc http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 07:50.28 | Demosthenes | peterS: so how can i add things to the upgrade list? |
| 07:50.33 | Segers_J | fpmc: mixing from stable/unstable is a bad idea, /msg apt simple sid backport or see if someone has backported it for you at apt-get.org |
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| 07:51.05 | peterS | Demosthenes: you can just 'apt-get install foo' - if foo is already installed it will be upgraded, if not it will be installed. but really, 'apt-get update' followed by 'apt-get upgrade' should upgrade things as well |
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| 07:51.15 | medwards | richie--: you create it. |
| 07:51.24 | medwards | /etc/raidtab, that is. |
| 07:51.27 | sime | can i use insmod to unload a module? |
| 07:51.31 | Demosthenes | peterS: er, i'm trying to automate this, hence i'm avoiding apt-get install ;] |
| 07:51.36 | fpmc | zeeble and Segers_J thank you for all the input :) |
| 07:51.40 | Demosthenes | peterS: baselining a rubber stamp set of systems. |
| 07:51.52 | peterS | Demosthenes: I don't know why packages that have newer versions available are not upgraded with 'apt-get upgrade'. they should be. |
| 07:51.56 | Tchiak | what is the sb.o module? |
| 07:52.06 | zeeble | soundblaster? |
| 07:52.07 | peterS | Tchiak: sound blaster series of sound cards |
| 07:52.25 | Tchiak | this is a stupid question: how do i get and install that module |
| 07:52.36 | Tchiak | i will accept websites if there is a good one that explains it |
| 07:52.50 | Segers_J | sime: no, rmmod, or modprobe. |
| 07:52.51 | zeeble | Tchiak www.tldp.org, kernel howto |
| 07:52.57 | peterS | Tchiak: just 'modprobe sb' should do it - it should be available in your Debian kernel already |
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| 07:53.02 | richie-- | medwards: okay... |
| 07:53.30 | richie-- | medwards: it says parsing configuration then it said aborted |
| 07:53.58 | Tchiak | Peters: it doesn't provide a response when i type that |
| 07:54.51 | medwards | richie--: raidtab contents? |
| 07:55.14 | richie-- | paste them here? |
| 07:55.34 | peterS | Tchiak: if it said nothing at all, then the module loaded. use 'lsmod' and 'dmesg' to verify this |
| 07:56.02 | Tchiak | yep it's in there |
| 07:56.14 | Tchiak | i keep trying to get this ESS 1896 soundchip to work |
| 07:56.28 | zeeble | well, then fire up aumix, increase the volume, and /msg dpkg for audio |
| 07:56.50 | fpmc | Is "sid" a name of one of the Debian distribution, just like potato and woody? |
| 07:56.52 | Tchiak | the system doesn't even see the ESS chip |
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| 07:57.05 | Mr_butler | hi |
| 07:57.06 | zeeble | fpmc no. sid stnds for still in development |
| 07:57.11 | Tchiak | lspci doesn't show it |
| 07:57.20 | fpmc | zeeble: ok thanks |
| 07:57.24 | ixion | Anyone here use blackbox? |
| 07:57.26 | zeeble | fpmc so, sid is more or less an alias for unstable |
| 07:57.38 | Tchiak | i use blacbox ixion |
| 07:57.39 | zeeble | Mr_butler installed debian? |
| 07:57.45 | Tchiak | best wm in my opinion |
| 07:57.47 | Mr_butler | ixion; I use fluxbox which is similar to blackbox |
| 07:58.04 | ixion | Tchiak, do you mind me pming you real quick-like? |
| 07:58.14 | Tchiak | not at all ixion |
| 07:58.22 | ixion | Why, thank you. |
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| 07:58.38 | zeeble | heh |
| 07:58.49 | peterS | Tchiak: lspci won't show ISA sound chips, which is what sb.o handles |
| 07:58.53 | Mr_butler | zeeble; sure zeeble. And i am happy with it |
| 07:59.01 | zeeble | Mr_butler good |
| 07:59.03 | peterS | Tchiak: to see those, install 'isapnptools' and run 'pnpdump' |
| 07:59.10 | Tchiak | i did install isapnptools |
| 07:59.14 | Mr_butler | zeeble; though i have a lot of catching up to do |
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| 07:59.24 | Tchiak | no boards found |
| 07:59.29 | peterS | Tchiak: so run 'pnpdump' and chances are it will tell you all about your sound card |
| 07:59.48 | peterS | Tchiak: hmmm, interesting. don't tell me the ESS chip is pre-PNP... |
| 07:59.55 | Tchiak | i haven't a clue |
| 07:59.58 | Tchiak | windows sees it fine |
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| 08:00.27 | Mr_butler | Have any of you guys tried accessing a real linux desktop (a wm of your choice) through a web browser? |
| 08:00.32 | Demosthenes | peterS: so, like i was saying, how can i add things to the "upgrade" list directly, so next apt-get upgrade adds them? |
| 08:00.37 | peterS | Tchiak: which model did you say it was? the 1896? I haven't heard of that one |
| 08:01.08 | peterS | Demosthenes: run 'dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/selections' - then edit that file - then 'dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/selections' |
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| 08:01.18 | zeeble | Mr_butler could you be clearer |
| 08:01.20 | Tchiak | PeterS: ESS1869F |
| 08:01.35 | zeeble | Mr_butler what does a browser have to do with X? |
| 08:02.04 | peterS | Tchiak: there are two ESS 1869 cards listed in the sb module plug-n-play list. |
| 08:02.12 | Mr_butler | zeeble; visit www.workspot.com. Only catch is you should have java supported by your browser |
| 08:02.17 | Demosthenes | peterS: i've tried that, only to not have things added. |
| 08:02.43 | medwards | richie--: have you run mkraid? |
| 08:02.53 | Tchiak | How do i look at the sb module plug-n-play list> |
| 08:02.56 | Tchiak | ? |
| 08:02.58 | richie-- | yes, it fails |
| 08:03.02 | peterS | Demosthenes: sounds like your whole apt system is working less than perfectly. not sure if I can help you |
| 08:03.10 | richie-- | im repartitioning the hds i want on the raid, see if this works |
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| 08:03.16 | Demosthenes | peterS: its a scratch install of woody from cd. |
| 08:03.39 | peterS | Tchiak: I'm reading it in the kernel source file drivers/sound/sb_card.c |
| 08:03.39 | zeeble | Mr_butler weird. but i can do the same by exportng X via ssh |
| 08:03.50 | Demosthenes | peterS: for instance, i just added a line of "less install" and sent it back through set-selections. a get selections should show it now, right? it doesn't... |
| 08:04.03 | Demosthenes | peterS: and apt-get upgrade doesn't catch it |
| 08:04.12 | peterS | Tchiak: but you can get a more digested form of the same list in /lib/modules/{your kernel version}/modules.isapnpmap |
| 08:04.15 | Mr_butler | zeeble; how do u do that ? and is it OS independent? |
| 08:04.54 | peterS | Demosthenes: try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' - *shrug* - I'm a bit out of my depth here |
| 08:05.11 | Demosthenes | peterS: nope :P |
| 08:05.16 | Demosthenes | peterS: urg. thanks though |
| 08:05.28 | zeeble | Mr_butler yeah. man ssh. look for the -X option. you need to ssh to the remote box with the X tunneling option. anything that you start there, like sat mozilla, will show on your display |
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| 08:05.53 | Demosthenes | peterS: what i'm trying to do is similar to Gentoo. you can add lines to /etc/make.profile/packages, and next "emerge system" will pick up on it and install anything not there. |
| 08:06.09 | Tchiak | PeterS: That does not show the ess card in mine |
| 08:06.38 | Tchiak | what kernel are you using? |
| 08:07.07 | peterS | Tchiak: I was reading this in 2.4.18, since I figured that's what you had. you might have 2.2.20 though |
| 08:07.17 | bucky_ | Demosthenes, you mean like apt-get -f install = to satisfy unmet dependancies? |
| 08:07.21 | Mr_butler | zeeble; by doing that can you access linux while u are using internet explorer? I doubt it. You may be able to ssh from a linux box but not from windows. A text based access is simple, just telnet to the linux box |
| 08:07.21 | zeeble | Mr_butler and it is OS independent. Only thing is you need to run a X server. Works on Macs. On MS win32, you need to run a xserver like cygwins, or x-win32 which i prefer |
| 08:07.24 | peterS | Demosthenes: AFAIK, dpkg --*-selections should do what you want. I don't know why it doesn't |
| 08:07.30 | Tchiak | i have 2.4.16 |
| 08:07.54 | Demosthenes | peterS: i think that the selections part updates the list used by dselect-upgrade. |
| 08:08.03 | peterS | Tchiak: 2.4.16 isn't recommended these days as it has known security problems. I also don't have source for it handy so I can't check sb_card.c (: |
| 08:08.05 | Demosthenes | bucky_: not exactly. |
| 08:08.19 | zeeble | Mr_butler shrug. your choice. you are teh one who wants it. i am happy with a ssh session to my remote boxen |
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| 08:08.32 | Tchiak | let me update to 2.4.18 then |
| 08:08.33 | peterS | Demosthenes: could be. you could always just elect to use dselect-upgrade instead, then |
| 08:08.33 | richie-- | what file system do the harddrives need be when placed in a software array? |
| 08:09.00 | Demosthenes | peterS: true! which is why i'm now trying to clear out all the "recommended" crap that dselect added. ;] |
| 08:09.11 | intero | anyone can suggest a good chess program with different difficutly levels and the ability to save the game, eventually? |
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| 08:09.16 | Demosthenes | peterS: it'd be great if i could just edit a file instead of using this gui |
| 08:09.17 | Tchiak | do i get 2.4.18-686-smp? |
| 08:09.28 | Active2 | find . -iname index.html\* -exec rm { } |
| 08:09.30 | Mr_butler | zeeble; This facility (atleast the people behind it say) is to let people access their online files and work on OpenOffice while they are traveling and when they dont have their computer with them. Not all machines have xserver do they? Where as a web browser is a universal phenomenon |
| 08:09.34 | Active2 | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 08:09.38 | Active2 | What do i forget ? |
| 08:09.39 | peterS | richie--: they are formatted by the raid tools, *before* you put any filesystem on them. the filesystem goes on *after* the array is assembled |
| 08:09.58 | zeeble | Mr_butler you mean a windows client, right? |
| 08:10.02 | richie-- | No, but the original harddrive, not the array itself.. |
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| 08:10.10 | bucky_ | oh, dselect sucks, it's only for the dselect few that can understand it |
| 08:10.15 | Mr_butler | zeeble; yeah |
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| 08:10.29 | bucky_ | it's more convoluted than emacs |
| 08:10.49 | zeeble | Mr_butler web browsers are not universal phenomenons. atleast not in my world |
| 08:10.50 | peterS | bucky_: it's really not very complex, it's mostly just that the keybindings are very non-obvious if you haven't learned them yet |
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| 08:11.09 | richie-- | So, do i just leave the harddrives empty with out a partition? |
| 08:11.12 | Mr_butler | zeeble; really what do u use to browse then? |
| 08:11.15 | Doobie | where do I find out if packages are broken or not? |
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| 08:11.26 | bucky_ | and usually the time to learn it is when i'm in a hurry to get an install done |
| 08:12.16 | peterS | Doobie: if it's an important package, you read /topic here on #debian |
| 08:12.19 | zeeble | Mr_butler i dont browse all that much. i ssh to boxes most often, and use a mail client. i have classes and life outside the net |
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| 08:12.37 | Doobie | peterS: ok, ta |
| 08:12.39 | peterS | richie--: create a partition, but not a filesystem |
| 08:12.45 | richie-- | ok |
| 08:12.56 | nnn | Hi... |
| 08:12.58 | peterS | richie--: the partition type is 'fd' - RAID autodetect |
| 08:13.02 | medwards | richie--: see /usr/share/doc/raidtools2/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO-4.html |
| 08:13.06 | richie-- | that didnt seem to work.. |
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| 08:13.28 | troubled | ahh, thats better |
| 08:13.30 | richie-- | i tried the harddrives on that, and it didnt work "< peterS> richie--: the partition type is 'fd' - RAID autodetect |
| 08:13.35 | nnn | tell me please what key i must use with wget ... what i can download images with pages? |
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| 08:14.42 | peterS | richie--: well, after creating the partitions, you have to assemble the raid array. you can do this either with raidtools2, or with mdadm, which has a much simpler interface (it doesn't require you to create a /etc/raidtab file) |
| 08:15.18 | peterS | richie--: I recommend mdadm, which is a Debian package you can install, but most HOWTOs will probably walk you through RAID management using raidtools2 instead, so it might be worthwhile to use that |
| 08:15.25 | richie-- | yeah |
| 08:15.31 | troubled | lvm is your daddy! |
| 08:15.39 | richie-- | how do i clear a file system? |
| 08:15.43 | troubled | richie--: raidtools is the dark side! |
| 08:15.56 | troubled | richie--: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdaX |
| 08:15.56 | peterS | richie--: don't bother clearing an existing filesystem. creating a new one once the raid array is assembled is all you'll need to do |
| 08:16.08 | richie-- | ok |
| 08:16.12 | peterS | richie--: but if you really want to, do what troubled just suggested |
| 08:16.12 | troubled | might wanna add a nice high bs value as well for max throughput :) |
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| 08:16.23 | troubled | dd is your daddy! |
| 08:16.30 | richie-- | heh |
| 08:16.31 | troubled | daddy :) |
| 08:16.37 | zakame | hi! |
| 08:16.45 | troubled | zakame: well hello there |
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| 08:17.20 | intero | anyone can suggest a good chess program with different difficutly levels and the ability to save the game, eventually? |
| 08:17.44 | Tchiak | PeterS: I have 2.4.18-686 installed now |
| 08:17.52 | troubled | wow, an intellect in a linux channel! Imagine that! |
| 08:17.58 | zakame | troubled : hi! |
| 08:18.05 | bucky_ | so peterS may i ask you how you ended up pursuing the role of a kernel hacker? |
| 08:18.09 | peterS | Tchiak: before rebooting, make sure to follow the README and add the initrd line to your lilo.conf (: |
| 08:18.10 | zakame | intero : 3dchess |
| 08:18.18 | Demosthenes | how can i clear all this cruft out of dselect that it wants to install but isn't installed yet? |
| 08:18.20 | intero | zakame: thanks |
| 08:18.28 | nnn | hey, people tell how i can download images with pages (with help wget)? |
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| 08:18.35 | troubled | bucky_: dont listen to him, he just learning how to make -j3 dep ;) |
| 08:18.37 | zakame | okies bye! |
| 08:18.40 | Tchiak | oh yes i already rebooted |
| 08:18.47 | bucky_ | hehe |
| 08:18.47 | captbunzo | peterS: you still here? |
| 08:18.50 | Tchiak | this is like teh 2nd time i've had to update the kernel |
| 08:18.58 | captbunzo | Xenocide: you too? |
| 08:19.02 | Tchiak | the box i'm using is meant for this expiremental stuff |
| 08:19.04 | peterS | Demosthenes: hmmm... dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2 " install"}' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:19.07 | captbunzo | :) |
| 08:19.11 | troubled | peterS: I take it your on the late night #debian duty? |
| 08:19.14 | Tchiak | so i can get reaquainted with linux w/o the fuss of screwing something up bigtim |
| 08:19.17 | Tchiak | bigtime |
| 08:19.20 | peterS | Demosthenes: untested, of course (: |
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| 08:19.30 | Mr_butler | zeeble; What classes do you take? |
| 08:19.33 | captbunzo | anyone have any advice on how to turn a .iso into a CD from Windows XP? |
| 08:19.43 | Tchiak | nero? |
| 08:19.48 | richie-- | how do i start the array using mdadm? |
| 08:19.49 | Mr_butler | captbunzo; try easyISO |
| 08:19.50 | troubled | captbunzo: easy cd creator works for me just fine |
| 08:19.56 | Tchiak | i prefer nero myself |
| 08:19.58 | captbunzo | I'd have to find the Nero CD to use nero... |
| 08:20.01 | bucky_ | troubled, i must have mad him mad w/ my remarks about dselect |
| 08:20.02 | peterS | troubled: late night is a state of mind. (: |
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| 08:20.04 | captbunzo | but that'd be a good idea anyhow. |
| 08:20.10 | Demosthenes | peterS: dpkg --get-selections doesn't list all the cruft. |
| 08:20.11 | nnn | mkisofs? |
| 08:20.15 | troubled | peterS: touche |
| 08:20.27 | troubled | bucky_: dselect is cool :) |
| 08:20.28 | Tchiak | peterS: it still doesn't list my ESS |
| 08:20.29 | peterS | troubled: it's also kind of time-zone-dependent (: but yeah, it's late night here |
| 08:20.29 | Mr_butler | captbunzo; It is free and i just now successfully burned windows 2000 professional without any problem |
| 08:20.38 | captbunzo | woohoo! Simple that - found the Nero CD. |
| 08:20.39 | troubled | peterS: 3am here :( |
| 08:20.49 | bucky_ | troubled, i'll have to sit down and figure it out sometime soon |
| 08:20.51 | captbunzo | Mr_butler: thank sfor the tip on easyISO, though! :) |
| 08:20.51 | Tchiak | and alsaconf keep saying that the it can't find snd |
| 08:20.55 | Tchiak | or something like that |
| 08:20.59 | peterS | Tchiak: I don't know what to tell you. 'pnpdump' really should have mentioned that you have an ESS 1869. If pnpdump doesn't mention it, I expect sb.o won't be able to find it. |
| 08:21.04 | efwf | when i finished an install i get a "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT". I've set up a /boot /root and /swap partitions so not sure. Anyone know why? |
| 08:21.06 | Mr_butler | captbunzo; it is only 250kb |
| 08:21.25 | Tchiak | these onboard chips always suck |
| 08:21.28 | peterS | Tchiak: so whatever problem you have with ISA PNP on your machine, be it hardware or software, that's the root of your sound blaster worries |
| 08:21.32 | Tchiak | except for on the boxes out in the garage |
| 08:21.45 | Tchiak | coudl it be bios settings? |
| 08:21.49 | captbunzo | anyone here ever play with either Freevo or MythTV? |
| 08:21.57 | richie-- | mdadd /dev/md0 |
| 08:21.57 | richie-- | /dev/hdb1: No such device |
| 08:21.57 | richie-- | /dev/hdc1: No such device |
| 08:22.02 | bucky_ | efwf, how about a "/" partition? |
| 08:22.07 | richie-- | what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:22.13 | efwf | yes the / is installed |
| 08:22.32 | Mr_butler | What is this memo thing in freenode? How do we send memos? any ideas? |
| 08:22.33 | peterS | richie--: does /proc/partitions think /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdc1 exist? |
| 08:22.35 | tam | hi guys, I accidently umounted /proc and now when i went to remount it, it doesn't work. I edited the /etc/fstab file to correspond wiht the old one and typed 'mount -a' as root but I am getting this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on proc, or too many mounted file systems.... mount: RPC: Program not registered. Anyone got any ideas on how I can fix this? |
| 08:22.36 | efwf | I installed the default LILO on the MBR also |
| 08:22.37 | troubled | richie--: what does fdisk -l show you about those partitions? |
| 08:23.19 | troubled | tam: mount /proc didnt work? |
| 08:23.20 | Tchiak | hmm my bios doesn't have an option for pnp |
| 08:23.21 | richie-- | i went into fdisk and made them the FD file system.. |
| 08:23.21 | bucky_ | i had to use the boot floppy i made during install to boot up and run lilo after doing an apt-get dist-upgrade to testing |
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| 08:23.26 | efwf | hmm.. have to reboot give me a couple mins |
| 08:23.28 | Tchiak | but it does list the info for the audio device |
| 08:23.32 | troubled | tam: ls /proc shows nothing? mount shows proc not mounted? |
| 08:24.02 | Tchiak | Audio Device: 220-22F, 388-38B, 330-331, IRQ 5, DMA 1, DMA 0 |
| 08:24.06 | peterS | Mr_butler: /msg memoserv help |
| 08:24.14 | captbunzo | grrr - winxp reboot again!!! :( |
| 08:24.20 | tam | troubled: mount /proc didn't work when i tryed it before :-/ |
| 08:24.22 | richie-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.25 | richie-- | /dev/hdc1 1 2434 19551073+ fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 08:24.35 | richie-- | both FS are like that. |
| 08:24.38 | tam | troubled: this is the error from that: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on proc, |
| 08:24.41 | tam | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.45 | peterS | richie--: I said /proc/partitions, not 'fdisk -l' |
| 08:24.51 | richie-- | someone said fdisk -l |
| 08:24.56 | troubled | tam: grep proc /etc/fstab, whats that show? |
| 08:25.03 | peterS | richie--: the latter is what's on disk. the former is what the kernel *thinks* is on disk. |
| 08:25.14 | richie-- | want me to paste it here =X? |
| 08:25.16 | peterS | richie--: after a reboot they will agree. before, they may or may not, depending |
| 08:25.17 | tam | troubled: the line in my /etc/fstab for /proc is: proc/procprocdefaults00 |
| 08:25.18 | Mr_butler | peterS; thanks |
| 08:25.21 | Tchiak | Is there anything that i can do to force linux to use the sound card with the device settings that are listed in bios? |
| 08:25.54 | troubled | tam: looks fine to me :/ |
| 08:25.57 | richie-- | cat /proc/partitions |
| 08:25.57 | richie-- | major minor #blocks name |
| 08:25.57 | richie-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.57 | richie-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.57 | richie-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.01 | tam | troubled: me too :-/ |
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| 08:26.10 | richie-- | that was fantastic |
| 08:26.10 | peterS | Tchiak: sure. modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 08:26.13 | tam | troubled: you reckon a reboot would fix it? |
| 08:26.19 | troubled | richie--: ewww, devfs! |
| 08:26.24 | peterS | Tchiak: in fact, just the io= might be enough for it to find the rest |
| 08:26.37 | nnn | quit |
| 08:26.39 | nnn | exit |
| 08:26.42 | troubled | tam: most likely. ive never unmounted proc before so go for it |
| 08:26.43 | Tchiak | eep ok |
| 08:26.56 | Demosthenes | peterS: damn, i guess i'm reinstalling to try and fix the cruft. for the record, the file is /var/lib/dpkg/status that dselect maintains |
| 08:27.39 | peterS | Demosthenes: yeah. I guess I should have suggested manually editing that file. but I figured there were better ways (: |
| 08:27.42 | Demosthenes | peterS: it also doesn't like it if you remove it |
| 08:27.52 | tam | troubled: eeekk...i'm at work at the moment but i'll give it a shot in awhile. |
| 08:28.11 | peterS | Demosthenes: true (: |
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| 08:28.33 | peterS | Demosthenes: btw, if you ever screw it up, look in /var/backups, the system does maintain a few backups of it |
| 08:28.42 | troubled | tam: well, that sucks. im sure a reboot should be fine though, so long as you didnt change the fstab file and break things hehe |
| 08:28.46 | Demosthenes | peterS: well, a base install isn't so bad. the catch is i'm trying out FAI, and trying to figure out how i want cfengine to maintain my packages. |
| 08:29.02 | richie-- | Any ideas anyone? |
| 08:29.12 | Tchiak | peterS: it found it that time |
| 08:29.17 | tam | troubled: heh. we won't go there knowing me >:-) |
| 08:29.20 | peterS | Tchiak: great! does it work? |
| 08:29.26 | Tchiak | dont' know |
| 08:29.36 | troubled | richie--: sounds like your using devfs and /dev/hdxx dont exist even as symlinks to me. but I may be wrong |
| 08:30.01 | fpmc | I just tried xine to play DVDs. It plays great, and xine is very easy to use, but I find that when xine switch between different chapters in one DVD, there's a small pause, and that's very awkward for a movie... Is this normal? |
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| 08:30.17 | peterS | Demosthenes: I've never tried FAI, so you're kind of on your own there (: |
| 08:30.33 | richie-- | im not using devfs |
| 08:30.33 | richie-- | heh |
| 08:30.40 | peterS | Demosthenes: for definitions of "on your own" that include "but there *are* 600 other people here that might be able to help you" |
| 08:30.51 | troubled | richie--: thats funny. thats not what your /proc/partitions said |
| 08:30.57 | richie-- | hmm |
| 08:30.59 | richie-- | its fucked |
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| 08:31.05 | richie-- | lol |
| 08:31.07 | troubled | richie--: nm, mines the same *shrug* |
| 08:31.09 | peterS | richie--: does devfs show up in your /proc/filesystems ? |
| 08:31.10 | Demosthenes | peterS: *laugh* thanks ;] |
| 08:31.24 | richie-- | kimberley:/etc# cat /proc/filesystems |
| 08:31.24 | richie-- | nodev rootfs |
| 08:31.24 | richie-- | nodev bdev |
| 08:31.24 | richie-- | nodev proc |
| 08:31.24 | richie-- | nodev sockfs |
| 08:31.25 | troubled | richie--: sorry, guess thats just how the kernel references things |
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| 08:31.32 | troubled | will richie-- ever learn? |
| 08:31.44 | richie-- | well |
| 08:31.45 | Demosthenes | peterS: i'm looking at rolling out a bunch of headless servers, originally with Gentoo. but i think i've settled on debian now, mostly because of the stable branch. |
| 08:31.48 | peterS | richie--: it will either show up or not. no need to paste |
| 08:31.53 | richie-- | how am i supposed to paste to ya fellas.. |
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| 08:31.56 | peterS | Demosthenes: sounds good. (: |
| 08:31.57 | richie-- | Alright |
| 08:32.04 | richie-- | well, what's the bad thing of a devfs? |
| 08:32.13 | peterS | richie--: if you *need* to paste something, the correct procedure is to ask people to /join #flood, then paste to that channel. |
| 08:32.30 | Tchiak | next question |
| 08:32.32 | richie-- | peterS: Sorry, im new here, i'll paste there from now on. |
| 08:32.44 | Tchiak | when i boot up it asks for a password to get access to my network drive which is fat32 |
| 08:32.58 | Tchiak | i don't knwo what password to give it |
| 08:33.04 | Tchiak | there is no password setup for them |
| 08:33.13 | peterS | Tchiak: the fact that it's fat32 is not relevant. is it on a windows server box or something? |
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| 08:33.23 | troubled | Tchiak: you mean samba? |
| 08:33.30 | Tchiak | yeah |
| 08:33.47 | cockroach | according to its manual, xawtv uses /dev/video0 as default v4l device - however, unless i explicitly tell it to use that device, i only get a blue image. IIRC this didn't happen with kernel 2.4.22 - similar experience and/or advice, anyone? |
| 08:33.49 | Tchiak | the drive is on a box with Win XP pro yes |
| 08:33.50 | troubled | Tchiak: theres a blank share password? |
| 08:34.07 | Tchiak | xp doesn't have an option to put a share password on i don't think |
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| 08:34.15 | Tchiak | i know 98 had that option but i have yet to find it in xp |
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| 08:34.24 | tam9 | troubled: lets hopeing his worked :-/ |
| 08:34.27 | troubled | Tchiak: i still think XP pro wants at least a valid user account to log in with |
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| 08:34.37 | Tchiak | yeah |
| 08:34.37 | troubled | tam9: :) |
| 08:34.51 | Tchiak | and i enter the password but it won't let me specify a username to go first |
| 08:34.52 | troubled | Tchiak: specify a username and password for the mount then |
| 08:34.56 | captbunzo | here goes my test of the new Debian Installer!!! :) |
| 08:35.03 | peterS | richie--: the disadvantages of devfs include (somewhat) buggy implementation, difficulty of making permanent permission changes, and the fact that most other people aren't using it so you'll get mismatched advice when it comes to partition setup and stuff |
| 08:35.08 | troubled | Tchiak: man mount, theres options for usernames for smbfs |
| 08:35.15 | Demosthenes | peterS: perhaps you can tell me whats on the debian-update-3.0r2.01-i386.iso image? |
| 08:35.31 | Demosthenes | peterS: is it a replacement disk 1 (debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso) |
| 08:35.38 | tam9 | should have waited until i got home |
| 08:35.42 | troubled | tam9: is this a custom kernel compile? |
| 08:35.46 | peterS | Demosthenes: basically, packages that are different between 3.0 and 3.0r2. I don't think it *replaces* the binary 1 disk, just supplements it |
| 08:35.51 | tam9 | troubled: don't thinkso |
| 08:36.00 | peterS | Demosthenes: if you already have the 3.0r2 ISO, you don't need the update ISO |
| 08:36.01 | Demosthenes | peterS: ah |
| 08:36.10 | troubled | tam9: cant see why it wouldnt reboot then :( |
| 08:36.16 | richie-- | crap |
| 08:36.22 | peterS | Demosthenes: the update ISO exists so you don't have to download a full-length ISO if you already had the original release |
| 08:36.23 | tam9 | troubled: yup :( |
| 08:36.37 | troubled | tam9: still not online yet? |
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| 08:36.40 | Demosthenes | peterS: my apologies, but this is the first binary distro i've used in _years_ |
| 08:36.52 | peterS | Demosthenes: heh. don't apologise, that's what this channel is for (: |
| 08:36.53 | meportez | Does anyone know where I can get a GRUB floppy image? |
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| 08:37.02 | Demosthenes | peterS: other than AIX |
| 08:37.05 | tam9 | troubled: doesn't look like it...do you mind trying to ping linuxrulesthe.net please? |
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| 08:37.21 | peterS | Demosthenes: heh. apt-get beats installp in all categories (: |
| 08:37.25 | troubled | tam9: if you cant ping it, I doubt I can ;) |
| 08:37.37 | Demosthenes | peterS: hmmm , i like the APPLY vs COMMIT functionality though |
| 08:37.46 | troubled | tam9: dont worry, im not giving up my user cloaked ip that easily *grin* |
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| 08:37.51 | tam9 | troubled: a few things are down at work at the moment and it may be a good chance that the proxy server didn't work |
| 08:37.59 | peterS | Demosthenes: well, ok, not *all* categories. you have a point, it's hard to roll back updates with dpkg |
| 08:38.10 | tam9 | troubled: hehe |
| 08:38.20 | Demosthenes | peterS: its that way on ALL distros |
| 08:38.40 | Demosthenes | peterS: especially Gentoo. its such a moving target, its nearly impossible to update just a single package on a year old system. |
| 08:38.44 | peterS | Demosthenes: it wouldn't have to be. someone could build a package frontend that adds that feature. I guess nobody has cared so far |
| 08:39.29 | Demosthenes | peterS: when i used stow on LFS, it was easy |
| 08:39.40 | troubled | oh well, im afk, l8r |
| 08:40.12 | Demosthenes | peterS: i've always been surprised that NO distro has incorporated a stow-like functionality into their package management. |
| 08:40.18 | Demosthenes | peterS: on LFS it rocked. |
| 08:40.24 | peterS | Demosthenes: one other thing BFF (installp) has that most Linux distributors don't is the concept of patch packages, which require base packages and only update certain files. nobody in linux land seems interested in that distinction, although *all* the commercial unixes seem to have it |
| 08:41.00 | Demosthenes | peterS: that and the patch case numbers (IY[0-9]*) you can query |
| 08:41.07 | peterS | Demosthenes: maybe patch packages and rollbacks are why SCO thinks linux isn't ready for the enterprise (: |
| 08:41.54 | Tchiak | peterS: XMMS is giving me an error |
| 08:42.15 | Tchiak | xmms is saying it can't open audio |
| 08:42.20 | peterS | Demosthenes: integration between trouble tickets (or bug numbers) and patches has advantages and disadvantages. in Debian the BTS is decoupled from the archive. in AIX (and other commercial Unixes) it's integrated. |
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| 08:43.09 | Xenocide | Tchiak: try "esd xmms" |
| 08:43.32 | aba | I've problems in getting the system to recognize an USB CD-Writer; however, a memory card works just fine. Any hints what to do? |
| 08:43.34 | Demosthenes | peterS: i must admit though, that i found AIX intolerable until i got a bunch of GNU tools installed. bash and EMACS specfically ;] |
| 08:43.35 | Xenocide | Tchiak: and while you're at it, make sure "groups" says you're in audio |
| 08:43.44 | Demosthenes | peterS: the ksh vi thing, eww. *shudder* |
| 08:43.47 | peterS | Demosthenes: *nod* |
| 08:43.59 | Tchiak | ack |
| 08:44.06 | Tchiak | Xeno groups? |
| 08:44.14 | Xenocide | Tchiak: at the command line |
| 08:44.18 | Xenocide | just type groups |
| 08:44.24 | peterS | Tchiak: getent group audio |
| 08:44.24 | Tchiak | as root? |
| 08:44.30 | tam9 | troubled: one of my boxes is still up...but debian my ssh server is down. |
| 08:44.33 | Xenocide | as whoever is trying to run xmms |
| 08:44.39 | Xenocide | this shouldn't be root, btw |
| 08:44.41 | peterS | Tchiak: if you're not in it, do 'adduser {username} audio' |
| 08:44.42 | Tchiak | audio:x:29 |
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| 08:44.54 | peterS | Tchiak: after which, log out and back in as your user, for it to take effect |
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| 08:45.14 | Xenocide | i hope userlinux takes off soon |
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| 08:45.34 | Xenocide | cuz theres a wide disparity between server and desktop linux configurations |
| 08:46.12 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: and rightly so. why do i need gnome and openoffice on a server? |
| 08:46.21 | Tchiak | ok i have audio but it's very jumpy |
| 08:46.28 | Tchiak | i think |
| 08:46.33 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: you don't. but thats the power of Debian, no? |
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| 08:47.14 | captbunzo | grrr. |
| 08:47.20 | captbunzo | no luck with the Debian installer. |
| 08:47.30 | Tchiak | yeah the audio keeps fading in and out |
| 08:47.32 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: ever use Redhat's Enterprise server? sickening. |
| 08:47.32 | Xenocide | captbunzo: graphical? |
| 08:47.33 | helix | you have to massage it |
| 08:47.38 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: cant say i have |
| 08:47.56 | Tchiak | say it's really bad comming out.. sounds like a girraff dying |
| 08:47.57 | peterS | Tchiak: did the sb module claim to have found the DMA channel? 'dmesg' will tell |
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| 08:48.21 | Xenocide | but I believe that the debian infrastructure is fully capable of meeting both user type's needs |
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| 08:48.44 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: i agree. stable is what drew me here |
| 08:48.44 | Tchiak | Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? |
| 08:49.00 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: though i must say, i've found that gentoo ROCKS for bleeding edge desktops |
| 08:49.04 | Xenocide | heh |
| 08:49.14 | Xenocide | gentoo is too much compiling for this poor CPU |
| 08:49.23 | Xenocide | and I don't like bleeding |
| 08:49.34 | Tchiak | irq 7 appears to be causing a conflict |
| 08:49.45 | peterS | Tchiak: that's odd. you said it was using irq 5 |
| 08:49.57 | Demosthenes | peterS: i'm not certain WHY i got all that extra recommended cruft in dselect (bet i hit the mark all recommended key!), but now that i've reinstalled with a clear list, i can set things with --set-selections and then a dselect-upgrade catches them and them only. |
| 08:50.11 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: my firewall, gentoo based, p/90, took a week |
| 08:50.20 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: unstable has mostly been kind to me. though from time to time gnome updates and decided it doesnt like the old .gnome files |
| 08:50.24 | Tchiak | is there a way to output the dmesg results to a file? |
| 08:50.30 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: far far too long. |
| 08:50.36 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: see i don't even use gnome ;] |
| 08:50.40 | sussudio | Tchiak: ... |
| 08:50.46 | Tchiak | o_o |
| 08:50.48 | peterS | Demosthenes: nice to know you worked it out. note that dselect does select all recommends packages by default, and makes a bit of a nuisance of itself when you tell it you know better |
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| 08:50.53 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: enlightenment, and TONS of transparent Eterms. thats about it. ;] |
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| 08:51.08 | Demosthenes | peterS: case in point, i won't run dselect. |
| 08:51.13 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: you'd think that most of the capabilities behind gentoo would be achievable with minor tweaks to debian |
| 08:51.21 | Tchiak | never mind i found teh output |
| 08:51.22 | Xenocide | except maybe the freshness of source code |
| 08:51.23 | captbunzo | Xenocide: non-graphical. |
| 08:51.34 | Demosthenes | peterS: course, i'd be curious how to regenerate the status file from whats installed.... |
| 08:51.48 | peterS | Demosthenes: as you wish. recommends exist for a reason. many of them are very close to 'depends' and only use 'recommends' because of obscure corner cases where someone might want that |
| 08:51.59 | sussudio | Xenocide: except there's no point to gentoo at all. |
| 08:52.10 | Demosthenes | Xenocide: not really. the custom compilation would be too complex and redundant to maintain |
| 08:52.28 | peterS | Demosthenes: there are web pages about doing that. best option: don't lose that status file to begin with. that's why a cron job dumps it in /var/backups from time to time, you know |
| 08:52.34 | Demosthenes | peterS: as an LFS survivor, i'll deal with my own dependencies ;] |
| 08:52.35 | captbunzo | grrr... |
| 08:52.39 | Xenocide | Demosthenes: you can currently compile from source yourself... |
| 08:52.46 | Xenocide | through apt |
| 08:53.12 | peterS | Demosthenes: fine. debian dependencies tend to exist for very sensible reasons, by and large, so by rejecting them you are mainly just making more work for yourself, to little benefit. but I'll stop lecturing you now (: |
| 08:53.13 | Xenocide | sussudio: that's not true. im sure you could gain some umph from optimizing your libc |
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| 08:53.33 | sussudio | Xenocide: it's already optimized. see? no point. |
| 08:53.35 | captbunzo | Debian Installer Error: "The integrity check for dhcp-client-udeb failed. It is most likely corrupt. Aborting." |
| 08:53.39 | captbunzo | any hints, anyone? |
| 08:54.00 | Xenocide | coaster cd? |
| 08:54.34 | captbunzo | hehe. it's a CD-RW. |
| 08:54.46 | captbunzo | if I reburn it, is it likely to be better this time? |
| 08:54.53 | Xenocide | not sure. |
| 08:54.53 | captbunzo | or, perhaps, is the CD-RW toast? |
| 08:55.02 | captbunzo | well, I can always give it a try. :) |
| 08:55.10 | Xenocide | make sure to "erase" it |
| 08:55.13 | peterS | Demosthenes: btw, if you like tweaking stuff and recompiling, you should familiarise yourself with (1) the dpkg-dev package, (2) 'apt-get source' and 'apt-get build-dep', (3) the debian/rules file that is unpacked inside a source tree |
| 08:55.48 | Demosthenes | peterS: yep, i'm going to have to learn how to make my own deb's shortly ;] |
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| 08:55.57 | Tchiak | there we go |
| 08:56.04 | Demosthenes | peterS: btw, i'm not really overriding deps, just not specifying them all at once either. |
| 08:56.07 | Tchiak | i rebooted and reentered the modprobe to include the IRQ and DMA |
| 08:56.16 | peterS | Demosthenes: for making your own debs, do this: install debhelper and use 'dh_make'. that creates a skeleton. then RTFM for how to fill it in (: |
| 08:56.30 | Tchiak | peterS: what file do i put this command so it automatically executes on bootup? |
| 08:57.00 | Tchiak | i've been working on this sound think for like a week now... thanks peterS |
| 08:57.19 | Demosthenes | peterS: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&selm=mailman.1479.1065791230.21628.help-cfengine%40gnu.org |
| 08:57.36 | captbunzo | same CD-RW. |
| 08:57.38 | Demosthenes | hmmm, i wonder if grub is supported on stable. |
| 08:57.39 | peterS | Tchiak: I'm honestly not sure if there is a straightforward way to specify module arguments for boot modules. your best bet is probably to create a /etc/modutils/local or something like that, with a line "alias char-major-14 sb" and "options sb io=0x220..." |
| 08:57.51 | captbunzo | if it fails again, perhaps I'll re-download the image. |
| 08:58.21 | peterS | Tchiak: then run 'update-modules' to get that pasted into /etc/modules.conf . the 'sb' module will now load on demand (when something tries to open /dev/dsp or similar) and will use those arguments |
| 08:58.22 | captbunzo | hmmnn. next great question - how does one check an MD5SUM in Windows XP? |
| 08:58.37 | Xenocide | captbunzo: you download a program to do so |
| 08:58.44 | Demosthenes | captbunzo: md5summer.org |
| 08:58.49 | Tchiak | i thought you could put the line in a file in the /etc/rc1.d or something like that |
| 08:58.57 | Tchiak | there used to be a file in /etc/rc.boot that you could do it with |
| 08:59.10 | sussudio | ~windows captbunzo |
| 08:59.14 | | This is #Debian, captbunzo, not #bungholes! |
| 08:59.26 | captbunzo | woohoo! |
| 08:59.38 | captbunzo | lucky me - I already have cygwin installed on this box. |
| 08:59.38 | Xenocide | heh. well, he does have to check the md5 from somewhere |
| 08:59.41 | captbunzo | that makes it easy. |
| 08:59.57 | Demosthenes | hey, the Houston Linux Users Group has a motto: We're the best place to get answers to tough Windows questions. ;] |
| 09:00.07 | Xenocide | certainly cant check the md5 of the debian installer from debian! |
| 09:00.10 | Tchiak | what's the best divx player for linux? |
| 09:00.12 | captbunzo | it appears apt has an attitude! :) |
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| 09:00.57 | Xenocide | Tchiak: i get by with xine, but some say mplayer is better. unfortunately, mplayer has legal issues that debian resolves by not playing with mplayer at all |
| 09:01.28 | peterS | captbunzo: indeed. run 'apt-get moo' |
| 09:01.40 | peterS | captbunzo: oh, you meant the bot (: |
| 09:02.11 | Tchiak | i love my speeds i'm getting from debian |
| 09:02.12 | captbunzo | well, at least those match! :) |
| 09:02.15 | Tchiak | 300kbps |
| 09:02.25 | captbunzo | apt-get moo? :) I'll have to try that |
| 09:02.25 | Demosthenes | it could be said that apt has apt-itude |
| 09:02.41 | captbunzo | hehe! :) |
| 09:02.48 | Demosthenes | YES! EMACS AT LAST! |
| 09:02.58 | Demosthenes | *sigh* now to remember how to use CVS over RCS. |
| 09:02.59 | peterS | Demosthenes: there *is* an apt frontend called aptitude. you'd probably like it better than dselect because it doesn't do so much of the recommends crap |
| 09:03.11 | sussudio | ~tell martijn about away |
| 09:03.13 | Demosthenes | peterS: the irony ;] |
| 09:03.17 | Segers_J | Demosthenes: no! VI! ;) |
| 09:03.19 | captbunzo | take 2. |
| 09:03.32 | captbunzo | let's see if my new coaster is any better than my old coaster! :) |
| 09:03.33 | Xenocide | god i hate aptitude |
| 09:04.07 | Tchiak | now will xine run divx by it |
| 09:04.20 | Tchiak | it's self or do i have to get something else to play divx files? |
| 09:04.38 | captbunzo | well that just sucks |
| 09:04.42 | captbunzo | same error, new package! :) |
| 09:04.47 | captbunzo | grub-installer this time! |
| 09:05.03 | Xenocide | your cd clean? |
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| 09:05.17 | FireFace | hello |
| 09:05.52 | captbunzo | egads. |
| 09:05.52 | Tchiak | Xeno: it won't load audio but it will play video |
| 09:05.57 | captbunzo | badly scratched. |
| 09:06.00 | captbunzo | poop |
| 09:06.14 | Xenocide | Tchiak: does xmms play without telling it to use esd? |
| 09:06.23 | sussudio | captbunzo: stop shoving it up your poophole then. |
| 09:06.29 | Tchiak | i run it on blackbox xeno |
| 09:06.32 | captbunzo | ah, that's it! |
| 09:06.38 | Tchiak | i don't do any thing but click it's name |
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| 09:07.02 | Xenocide | Tchiak: bring up an exterm |
| 09:07.04 | Xenocide | xterm |
| 09:07.08 | captbunzo | time to make a permanent coaster. |
| 09:07.18 | Xenocide | you're gonna want the text output from xine |
| 09:07.18 | Tchiak | Xeno: rodger |
| 09:07.26 | captbunzo | what is the greatest speed people around here burn CDs at? |
| 09:07.43 | Xenocide | as fast as it goes, cds are cheap now |
| 09:07.57 | Xenocide | and the burners handle overruns and underruns |
| 09:08.25 | Xenocide | Tchiak: run xine from xterm |
| 09:08.32 | sussudio | ~tell captbunzo about polls |
| 09:09.10 | Tchiak | ok |
| 09:09.30 | Xenocide | any interesting text output on audio failure? |
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| 09:09.39 | Tchiak | yes |
| 09:09.42 | rahul | ooowaaaoooowaaaooooowaaaoooo |
| 09:09.43 | Tchiak | whgat me to type it in privmsg? |
| 09:09.45 | sussudio | Xenocide: a review of britney's new album? |
| 09:09.47 | peterS | captbunzo: modern versions of cdrecord detect the CD writer speed and shovel data at the writer as fast as it wants it - usually no need to artificially throttle this |
| 09:09.50 | sussudio | ~rah00 |
| 09:09.52 | | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 09:09.52 | Demosthenes | l8r folks |
| 09:09.54 | Xenocide | sure |
| 09:09.59 | captbunzo | interesting. |
| 09:09.59 | rahul | @peniuxstirke sussudio |
| 09:10.02 | rahul | meh |
| 09:10.07 | sussudio | !kawfeestrike rahul |
| 09:10.09 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit rahul, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
| 09:10.27 | rahul | sussudio: yeah wekll... you aren't dtunk so you lose |
| 09:10.44 | sussudio | take me drunk occifer i'm home |
| 09:10.50 | rahul | yeah |
| 09:11.03 | sussudio | you are drunk of borg, resitance is floortile. |
| 09:11.18 | rahul | only if it has puke on it |
| 09:11.24 | captbunzo | woohoo! much better. |
| 09:11.25 | sussudio | borg puke |
| 09:11.36 | rahul | sussudio penix |
| 09:11.42 | rahul | @penixstrike sussudio |
| 09:11.45 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sussudio to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:11.49 | rahul | woo |
| 09:11.52 | rahul | I gotta piss |
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| 09:14.42 | eratsu | is there any program in debian that could help me find statistical correlations? |
| 09:14.59 | helix | rahul: you're gross |
| 09:15.00 | rahul | gnuplot |
| 09:15.14 | colde89 | sane did not start (segmentionfault) any idea ?? |
| 09:15.15 | rahul | helix: it would be gross if I held it in |
| 09:15.26 | DMJC | if you gotta pee you gotta pee |
| 09:15.29 | rahul | you know what that stuff does when it sti around in your kidneys? |
| 09:15.31 | helix | rahul: uremic poisoning is awesome |
| 09:15.40 | eratsu | rahul: with fit? |
| 09:15.46 | rahul | eratsu: yes |
| 09:15.52 | rahul | eratsu: it's quite good |
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| 09:15.59 | rahul | at least for thes tuff I've done |
| 09:16.05 | rahul | eratsu: if not, try R |
| 09:16.10 | eratsu | rahul: how does fit do it anyways? |
| 09:16.10 | peterS | eratsu: or try 'octave', which is similar to matlab so if you know how to do statistics in that you can transfer your knowledge base |
| 09:16.13 | rahul | my brother can't heat up food, sec |
| 09:16.17 | rahul | eratsu: dunno |
| 09:16.22 | rahul | R is better |
| 09:16.31 | eratsu | what's R? o.O |
| 09:16.38 | rahul | I pee on matlab and its clones |
| 09:16.55 | rahul | eratsu: open source version of R, without the abstractability |
| 09:16.57 | rahul | bbiab |
| 09:17.17 | peterS | eratsu: apt-cache show r-base |
| 09:19.00 | Tchiak | well much was accomplished today |
| 09:19.05 | rahul | um of S, that is |
| 09:19.10 | rahul | ATT's statistical package |
| 09:19.17 | Tchiak | now i just have to remember how to hook set this to auto do the modprobe command on bootup |
| 09:19.32 | rahul | ketel is amazing |
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| 09:19.38 | eratsu | is R or octave better? |
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| 09:19.54 | rahul | it doesn't burn at all when it goes down, but it burns in your cheeks and fingers |
| 09:19.56 | peterS | Tchiak: edit /etc/modules |
| 09:19.59 | rahul | eratsu: R |
| 09:20.11 | eratsu | ok, thanks |
| 09:20.11 | rahul | R is statisics. octave is matrices. |
| 09:20.11 | peterS | Tchiak: but if you need module parameters, put those in some file in /etc/modutils/ and run 'update-modules' |
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| 09:21.03 | Tchiak | eh? |
| 09:21.26 | rahul | if you need to set parameters, put them in some file in /etc/mpodiuleis and run update-modules |
| 09:21.29 | peterS | Tchiak: /etc/modules contains a list of modules to load on boot. but you can't put module parameters there. |
| 09:21.32 | rahul | as /etc/modules.conf says |
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| 09:21.53 | Tchiak | so create a file call sounds |
| 09:22.10 | Tchiak | what needs to be in this file? |
| 09:22.18 | rahul | Tchiak: I prefer to put all local stuff in a file called local |
| 09:22.33 | peterS | Tchiak: just one line: 'options sb io=0x220 ....' |
| 09:22.40 | captbunzo | (whoops, sorry) |
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| 09:23.13 | Tchiak | ok |
| 09:23.27 | Tchiak | muwahaha |
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| 09:23.37 | Tchiak | more accomplished in teh last few hrs than for the past 2 days |
| 09:23.39 | Tchiak | thanks peter |
| 09:24.11 | Tchiak | now to tune the xwindows to play faster in full screen |
| 09:24.21 | Tchiak | does that framebuffer thing make a difference? |
| 09:24.26 | peterS | Tchiak: that's what we aim for here. please fill out an evaluation form and drop it in the box on your way out. thanks |
| 09:24.27 | captbunzo | peterS: do you have any general tips on how to convert a newly installed Debian system into one like you do, with your bind paritions? |
| 09:24.37 | captbunzo | er, bind mounts. |
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| 09:24.59 | peterS | captbunzo: you saw my /etc/fstab. the only other thing you need to do is 'mkdir /data; cp -a /home /data/home' and so forth |
| 09:25.13 | Tchiak | next time we meet I shall see about BIND 'ing DNS! |
| 09:25.15 | Tchiak | for now |
| 09:25.19 | Tchiak | night time |
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| 09:25.49 | rahul | bouncy night, it seems |
| 09:25.51 | captbunzo | peterS: that's what I was thinking. |
| 09:25.52 | captbunzo | cool. |
| 09:25.52 | captbunzo | :) |
| 09:26.18 | peterS | captbunzo: after copying all the data over, feel free to 'rm -r' then 'mkdir' the original dirs, to save that little bit of space |
| 09:26.31 | peterS | captbunzo: then of course 'mount -a' to bind-mount that other stuff that's now in your /etc/fstab |
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| 09:27.38 | ricochet | what is a graphical (gnome, X) sftp/scp client in an apt-getable package? i cant seem to find one. sid. |
| 09:28.14 | rahul | hahaha |
| 09:28.32 | rahul | as I said in another channel. I pity da foo. |
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| 09:28.53 | rahul | spicy food tases SOOO good when ytou're drunk |
| 09:29.07 | peterS | spicy food tastes pretty good when I'm sober |
| 09:29.15 | rahul | peterS: yep |
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| 09:29.24 | troubled | rahul: you fooz |
| 09:29.29 | rahul | troubled: you zoof |
| 09:29.49 | troubled | w00t! |
| 09:29.59 | captbunzo | peterS: can I do a 'rm -r' on /var while the system is running? |
| 09:30.05 | troubled | rahul: so what brings you here this early? |
| 09:30.12 | captbunzo | I figure a reboot would be required, somehow or another. |
| 09:30.23 | rahul | troubled: it's early? |
| 09:30.33 | abcnew | hi |
| 09:30.33 | peterS | captbunzo: perhaps not. if you want to play it safe, try 'mv /var /var.old; mkdir /var' then reboot. later you can 'rm -r /var.old' |
| 09:30.41 | rahul | ow. my burps burn my forehead |
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| 09:30.48 | rahul | that onion is good |
| 09:30.59 | rahul | it goes straight to my lungs |
| 09:31.10 | abcnew | how i find all file in a directory and subdir |
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| 09:31.22 | peterS | abcnew: find /dir/name -type f |
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| 09:31.46 | peterS | abcnew: where '/dir/name' is often '.' to denote the current directory |
| 09:32.24 | troubled | peterS: on the ball tonight i see :) |
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| 09:32.41 | peterS | troubled: you're still putting in your two cents here and there too, I see |
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| 09:32.47 | rahul | heh |
| 09:32.49 | troubled | peterS: but of course :) |
| 09:32.51 | rahul | @penixstrike troubled |
| 09:32.54 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:32.56 | troubled | Im almost up to a buck now heh |
| 09:32.59 | captbunzo | peterS: what the heck - why play it safe. |
| 09:33.09 | captbunzo | peterS: after all, I can just reinstall! :) |
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| 09:33.19 | peterS | captbunzo: it might not let you 'rm -r /var', so you might want to rename + mkdir + rm -r anyway |
| 09:33.27 | troubled | owe, my forehead! |
| 09:33.32 | rahul | heh |
| 09:33.37 | rahul | I'm serious |
| 09:33.43 | troubled | :) |
| 09:33.46 | rahul | it's all in my forehead and lunnfs |
| 09:33.56 | rahul | I feel high, now |
| 09:34.01 | peterS | rahul: lunnfs. I don't even want to *think* about that protocol |
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| 09:34.21 | rahul | mmmm drunk on alkey and high on spice |
| 09:34.24 | troubled | captbunzo: lsof /var, if somethings using /var (which will be the case if your not in init 1), then rm -rf /var/* ;) |
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| 09:34.31 | rahul | now THAT's a friday night |
| 09:34.35 | helix | rahul: paprika? |
| 09:34.37 | troubled | rahul: yehaaaa, still new years in your time zone I see? :) |
| 09:34.42 | rahul | helix: nah, nothing that weak |
| 09:34.50 | rahul | actually, I dunno. my mom made it. |
| 09:34.50 | helix | every day is new years for rahul |
| 09:34.51 | peterS | rahul: melange, then? |
| 09:34.57 | rahul | troubled: it's still a new year |
| 09:35.03 | troubled | he's on rahul mean time :) |
| 09:35.04 | rahul | peterS: something close, I guess |
| 09:35.09 | rahul | I think I can see into the future |
| 09:35.11 | captbunzo | ah. perhaps doing a "telinit 1" first is a good idea. |
| 09:35.16 | abcnew | perterS: find ./linux/*.rej -type f |
| 09:35.18 | helix | troubled: which resembles something like the movies 'groundhog day' |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | rahul: can I contract you to fly my spaceship? |
| 09:35.33 | peterS | abcnew: find ./linux -name '*.rej' |
| 09:35.47 | rahul | peterS: sure. don't blame me if I crash it into a ring |
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| 09:35.58 | peterS | abcnew: you can add '-type f' to the above but it's hardly necessary since directories aren't going to be named *.rej |
| 09:35.59 | troubled | captbunzo: i would think so. then nothing should be using /var if you intend to erase it. dont worry, safe procedure since I rm my /usr /home and /var every install for lvm |
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| 09:36.06 | troubled | captbunzo: I hope you have backups though :) |
| 09:36.33 | rahul | you can mount overtop of existing files |
| 09:36.35 | peterS | troubled: it's a new install, so I suspect backups are not too relevant yet |
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| 09:37.02 | peterS | rahul: yes, but I suggested the rm + mkdir in case he wanted to save that extra little bit of space, and make things tidier |
| 09:37.10 | rahul | once you know the FSes mount properly, you can umount them and get rig of the stuff on / |
| 09:37.23 | rahul | peterS: I can't fllow it :P |
| 09:37.28 | peterS | rahul: after all, if you unmount /var, the last thing you want is for a /var fully populated to sit there and confuse you about whether or not it's the *real* /var |
| 09:37.36 | troubled | peterS: what happened to his /var may I ask? |
| 09:37.42 | rahul | peterS: mount will tell you |
| 09:37.51 | peterS | troubled: nothing. I told him to 'cp -a '/var' to another filesystem, is all |
| 09:37.58 | troubled | ahh |
| 09:38.04 | peterS | rahul: of course it will. it's still needlessly confusing |
| 09:38.09 | rahul | meh |
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| 09:38.15 | troubled | peterS: whats he doing with /var? moving to new mount point? |
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| 09:38.20 | rahul | I'd rather have confusiotn than danger |
| 09:38.31 | peterS | troubled: he's trying out my partitioning system |
| 09:38.43 | troubled | peterS: sounds like trouble :) |
| 09:38.45 | troubled | I like it |
| 09:38.50 | peterS | troubled: namely: two partitions, / and /data. all volatile data (chiefly, /var and /home) is bind-mounted from subdirs of /data |
| 09:38.53 | rahul | troubled: you kawfee |
| 09:39.01 | peterS | troubled: and /tmp is a tmpfs |
| 09:39.04 | troubled | rahul: hey! thats going too far! |
| 09:39.21 | rahul | peterS: /var and /home have rather different characteristics |
| 09:39.32 | troubled | peterS: an odd setup if I do say so myself |
| 09:39.38 | rahul | I'd put it in /.data in any case |
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| 09:39.49 | troubled | i would use lvm but thats just me :) |
| 09:39.50 | peterS | rahul: I can't justify having them as separate partitions, though, on the systems I've got. they're both volatile data that needs to be backed up |
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| 09:39.54 | denon | have any of you ever seen where vmware will only take the first IP that debian binds? |
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| 09:40.01 | troubled | too bad it doesnt do online resizing though :( |
| 09:40.04 | denon | the rest of em respond to icmp on the host box, but not on the rest of the net |
| 09:40.04 | rahul | peterS: well, yeah, ok |
| 09:40.10 | troubled | well, lvm 1, cant speak for other vers |
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| 09:40.28 | ricochet | what is a graphical (gnome, X) sftp/scp client in an apt-getable package? i cant seem to find one. sid. |
| 09:40.32 | rahul | denon: you need to NAT the vmware interface, typically |
| 09:40.33 | peterS | rahul: as opposed to '/' which is left with the crap that *doesn't* need to be backed up (except /etc) since it comes with the OS |
| 09:40.42 | rahul | ricochet: I feel sorry fofr you |
| 09:40.49 | denon | rahul: oh? whats wrong with bridging? |
| 09:40.50 | rahul | peterS: right |
| 09:40.56 | troubled | peterS: what method of backup you using? |
| 09:41.00 | rahul | denon: well, you can do that |
| 09:41.13 | peterS | rahul: note that my systems tend to have a lot of stuff in /usr/src so that is bind-mounted off /data as well |
| 09:41.25 | troubled | :) |
| 09:41.28 | alec | ricochet, I hear gFTP has some sftp support - have you tried that? |
| 09:41.29 | rahul | peterS: I have /usr/src -> /home/src |
| 09:41.33 | denon | rahul: thats what I am doing .. and I can hit the second IP from the host. . |
| 09:41.39 | peterS | rahul: nothing terribly organised. like 99% of people. (: I plan to implement something more systematic once I get another computer, which should be RSN |
| 09:41.53 | peterS | rahul: not a bad plan. I should have done it that way |
| 09:41.55 | rahul | peterS: amanda is good for that kind of stuff, I hear |
| 09:42.00 | troubled | peterS: can you specify bind mounted dirs in fstab? |
| 09:42.13 | rahul | troubled: sur |
| 09:42.14 | rahul | e |
| 09:42.20 | peterS | troubled: sure, take a look at mine. stand by for dcc... |
| 09:42.23 | rahul | anything you can pass to mount, you can put in fstab |
| 09:42.31 | ricochet | alec: nope, thanks. i will. i was searching the cache for scp and sftp and didnt find any graphical ones. installing gftp now.. |
| 09:42.39 | denon | rahul: its screwy though, if I ping it within debian,no dice .. but if I shut debian down, it times out .. so its not like it bound to another system |
| 09:42.50 | rahul | denon: I'm lost |
| 09:42.58 | peterS | troubled: the last couple of lines, btw, are for USB key drives. the middle section is the interesting part here though |
| 09:43.19 | denon | rahul: Host OS is win2k3, Debian is the Guest OS .. if I ping ip2 from win, it works .. |
| 09:43.19 | alec | ricochet, konqueror has an scp/sftp interface (type 'fish://user@location') |
| 09:43.26 | troubled | peterS: seems simple enough. ill consider that next time I do a system. seems to be more organised |
| 09:43.27 | denon | rahul: if I ping ip2 from network .. it doesnt |
| 09:43.33 | peterS | troubled: works for me (: |
| 09:43.34 | troubled | peterS: but what about emergency retores? |
| 09:43.40 | troubled | peterS: tried any yet? |
| 09:43.42 | denon | rahul: if I ping within debian, it doesn't |
| 09:43.53 | alec | ricochet, I've also seen a gnome vfs sftp thingie around somewhere, but haven't used it |
| 09:44.02 | alec | ricochet, that'd probably be through nautilus |
| 09:44.09 | peterS | troubled: not with this system. I don't see why a rescue boot situation is really much different with bind mounts or just regular partitions, though |
| 09:44.20 | ricochet | alec, ah, ok. thanks |
| 09:44.54 | troubled | peterS: I take it that the procedure would be to reinstall a base system, the dpkg --set-selections and then mount the old /data and away you go? |
| 09:45.15 | peterS | troubled: something like that, yeah. |
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| 09:45.27 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 09:45.49 | denon | rahul: make sense? |
| 09:45.50 | troubled | peterS: i noticed your etc isnt on /data though, dont you think it should be? |
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| 09:46.04 | abcnew | peterS: i wnat to del that file, i typed: for i in `find ./linux -name '*.rej'` do; echo $i;done; |
| 09:46.09 | troubled | peterS: nm, boot issues I guess |
| 09:46.09 | peterS | troubled: no. it needs to be available during early boot, before /data is mounted. that's why /etc isn't in /var by tradition |
| 09:46.19 | ricochet | alec, what i was looking for was a WinSCP lookalike. i dont use kde tho, gFTP appears to want sftp-server on the server. hmmz. |
| 09:46.23 | peterS | abcnew: find linux -name '*.rej' | xargs rm |
| 09:46.23 | troubled | ya, caught that one hehe |
| 09:46.23 | abcnew | perterS: echo =rm |
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| 09:46.43 | peterS | abcnew: xargs is the perfect tool for that sort of thing |
| 09:46.49 | Zero_Kelvin | Okey dokey. I've just got my new DSL connection on (sync light is green) and I can set it up so that the linux box it's connected to (via ethernet) can ping the modem. My question is: How do I tell the linux box to route from the internal network card to the network card connected to the modem? |
| 09:47.10 | rahul | denon: do you really expect me to undersnad all that in this swtate? |
| 09:47.13 | peterS | abcnew: if you have reason to believe there might be files with spaces in the names, you'll want to do: find linux -name '*.rej' -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 09:47.14 | troubled | Zero_Kelvin: turn on ip forwarding |
| 09:47.15 | alec | ricochet, do you have a /usr/lib/sftp-server? |
| 09:47.24 | denon | hehe |
| 09:47.24 | troubled | :) |
| 09:47.27 | peterS | abcnew: that's safer. not needed if you just have a kernel tree, though, I suppose |
| 09:47.38 | denon | welll.. its not so complicated.. just a lotta riff raff goin on :) |
| 09:47.51 | rahul | well, I riff that way and raff this |
| 09:47.51 | ricochet | alec, i think it wants sftp installed on the other server. all thats there is scp |
| 09:47.52 | Zero_Kelvin | troubled: Mmm, will read the docs. :) |
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| 09:47.56 | rahul | and then fall over |
| 09:47.57 | LonelyOne | Zero_Kelvin: instapp pppoe and pppoeconf if your dsl modem supports pppoe, then run pppoeconf, it will find your modem and ask you for your user and login, then call pon dsl-provider that's all |
| 09:48.00 | denon | would it help if I explained it in C? |
| 09:48.02 | abcnew | peterS: ths |
| 09:48.06 | rahul | denon: eeek |
| 09:48.13 | LonelyOne | Zero_Kelvin: wow... sry, i misread your line |
| 09:48.13 | troubled | Zero_Kelvin: cant hurt :) I assume you want masquerading? |
| 09:48.14 | denon | hehe |
| 09:48.21 | troubled | denon: ;p |
| 09:48.24 | rahul | my heasd would probably explode from all the delimiters |
| 09:48.25 | peterS | denon: nah, use perl, you've got more ways to express the same thing that way |
| 09:48.33 | rahul | peterS: they're both infinite |
| 09:48.40 | alec | ricochet, at the end of my /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have the line 'Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/sftp-server'; maybe that's what your looking for. I don't know of a WinSCP-lookalike except for Konqueror. |
| 09:48.45 | denon | peterS: could use cobol, then you'd have a lot more verbose detail |
| 09:48.50 | rahul | turing and all |
| 09:48.50 | Zero_Kelvin | Yo. :) I want the linux box running a webserver and so on, and the other computers on the network to be able to go out to the net. |
| 09:48.54 | abcnew | peterS: i do a stupid that unupgrade kernel :( |
| 09:49.05 | denon | rahul: so you were saying I should use nat .. there a reason to use nat over bridging? |
| 09:49.05 | peterS | denon: yeah but then you'd get kicked off the channel for flooding |
| 09:49.06 | abcnew | peterS: ths for commands |
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| 09:50.08 | moustic | Hi, what would you suggest me ? i can't initialize the network interface with a fresh update to 2.6.0 :-( .... my nc is a lite on (lne100tx r20) ... |
| 09:50.09 | peterS | abcnew: btw, when you want to patch a kernel tree, the best way (in my opinion) is to use 'cp -la linux linux.new' or something - that will duplicate the tree with hard links. to revert the patch, just delete the new tree. takes up almost no disk space or anything - great stuff |
| 09:50.30 | Zero_Kelvin | I had something similar once before on a dial-up connection. Somehow that seems simpler. :/ :) |
| 09:50.55 | peterS | moustic: you've compiled the 'tulip' driver? |
| 09:51.29 | moustic | peteS: tulip ? what is it for ? |
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| 09:51.39 | peterS | moustic: for the LNE100TX network card |
| 09:52.01 | streuner_ | !tell finger about root |
| 09:52.04 | denon | man, I'd give my left arm to find someone who really knew vmware .. seems like such a rarity |
| 09:52.38 | denon | such a great platform tho |
| 09:53.12 | peterS | moustic: that's the name of the driver for that card. in the 2.6.0 configuration, it is labeled "Tulip family network device support" |
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| 09:53.38 | rahul | denon: no |
| 09:53.51 | afro | hello |
| 09:53.53 | denon | no? |
| 09:53.54 | moustic | peterS:ah i check |
| 09:53.56 | rahul | denon: vmware is a waste, imo |
| 09:53.57 | denon | from like 10 minutes ago no? |
| 09:54.00 | rahul | yeah |
| 09:54.09 | rahul | I went to get ready for nbed |
| 09:54.13 | denon | rahul: have you looked at the new enterprise vmware stuff? |
| 09:54.18 | denon | virtual load distribution |
| 09:54.21 | peterS | moustic: the one you want is the second module in the menu you get from there: "DECchip Tulip (dc2114x) PCI support" |
| 09:54.22 | denon | resource distribution |
| 09:54.22 | rahul | heh |
| 09:54.24 | denon | killer stuff |
| 09:54.26 | Zero_Kelvin | I'm not sure if this makes sense but here goes: I'd like to setup the modem so it's "just a ISP connection". You know, the ethernet card connected to it is what has the WAN IP address. I'm currently under the impression that that's "bridging", but not entirely related to bridging from the ISP to me? |
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| 09:54.35 | rahul | denon: that's standard with any devcent hardware or os :) |
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| 09:54.54 | denon | rahul: yeah .. well .. but the ability to spread CPU load over apps that dont have a clue? |
| 09:54.59 | denon | thats not exactly stock |
| 09:55.00 | rahul | denon: yep |
| 09:55.15 | rahul | it's called a cluster. |
| 09:55.20 | denon | well yeah .. |
| 09:55.33 | rahul | origins, superdomes |
| 09:55.33 | denon | but this is the ability to do it with racks full of $400 P4s :) |
| 09:55.36 | Zap-W | peterS : what's the difference between doing a hard link and copying a file? |
| 09:55.45 | rahul | denon: too much maintainence hassle |
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| 09:56.07 | rahul | denon: the cost isn't in the hardware, it's in being able to replace the hardware easily |
| 09:56.09 | denon | rahul: I agree and disagree .. .but my current problem remains, so I'll leave the politics for another day |
| 09:56.20 | peterS | Zap-W: two differences: (1) if you write directly to the hard link, both "copies" are updated. (2) there is only one actual copy on disk so it takes up no extra space except for the extra directory entry |
| 09:56.20 | denon | yeah yeah TOC ROI etc |
| 09:56.22 | rahul | it's not politics at all actually :) |
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| 09:56.32 | rahul | TCO, foo :P |
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| 09:56.39 | denon | s/TOC/TCO/ |
| 09:56.43 | rahul | you got beatend by a drunk guy! |
| 09:56.45 | peterS | Zap-W: note that the 'patch' utility does not write directly to the link, so it *does* split the link into two separate files |
| 09:56.54 | moustic | peteS:ok, only this submain tree ? and the 2 last suboptions ? new bus configuration / use pci shared mem ? |
| 09:56.55 | rahul | who is about to pass oitu |
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| 09:56.59 | denon | rahul: Id be more proud to say I was helped by one |
| 09:57.03 | rahul | heh |
| 09:57.07 | denon | how many drunk guys do you know that can fix stuff :) |
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| 09:57.15 | rahul | I can fix stuff, just not vmware :) |
| 09:57.21 | denon | proof is in the pudding! |
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| 09:57.32 | denon | technically, its not vmware .. the debian machine isnt responding to icmp :) |
| 09:57.34 | rahul | I've written code drunk |
| 09:57.36 | peterS | moustic: I would say N to the first, Y to the second. but you can also say N to both, that'd work too |
| 09:57.47 | denon | rahul: many a happy kernel panics |
| 09:57.47 | rahul | denon: that makes no sense. ounds like routing is busted |
| 09:57.50 | peterS | moustic: (talking about the "new bus configuration / use pci shared mem" things) |
| 09:57.53 | rahul | denon: nah |
| 09:58.03 | denon | rahul: it does, doesnt it .. but its a fresh deb install .. no static routes |
| 09:58.11 | rahul | denon: interesting |
| 09:58.28 | rahul | denon: well, I can't keep your whole setup in my head at once, so I can't really hep :P |
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| 09:58.56 | rahul | ok, this isn't working. I better get some sleep |
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| 09:59.00 | denon | rahul: well, look at it this way .. debian box, two IPs .. cant ping the second one on the debian box |
| 09:59.01 | rahul | morning, foos |
| 09:59.05 | rahul | and fooz. |
| 09:59.24 | rahul | denon: is it proxy-arp'd or aliased? |
| 09:59.39 | moustic | peteS: thanks so much, i should have asked this question earlier, i would have gain some hours to sleep ! |
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| 09:59.45 | peterS | moustic: heh |
| 09:59.46 | rahul | so that it will respond to arps for that IP? |
| 09:59.51 | denon | rahul: eth0:0 |
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| 10:00.01 | rahul | denon: hmm, dunno then |
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| 10:00.08 | rahul | and I'm in no condition to think |
| 10:00.15 | Zero_Kelvin | Hmmm, okay, I _think_ I know where to go from here. Cya's later. :) |
| 10:00.24 | rahul | yeha, so where was I.... night zoofs |
| 10:00.29 | belracu | where can i find good documentation for configuring My Freeradius server |
| 10:00.29 | denon | blah |
| 10:00.34 | Zap-W | peterS : how can i tell with ls if a file is a hardlink |
| 10:00.42 | rahul | wanna take it outside |
| 10:00.45 | rahul | huh huh! |
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| 10:01.01 | rahul | I can beay toyu with one tied ahdn my back! |
| 10:01.14 | peterS | Zap-W: the nature of hard links is that each link to a file is equal - there is no "first" or "second" link. but you can tell how many links there are to the file you're looking at - it's the second field in 'ls -l'. |
| 10:01.31 | qazix | ciao luhar |
| 10:01.34 | denon | drunk penguins are all the same .. |
| 10:01.37 | denon | :) |
| 10:01.45 | peterS | Zap-W: (the field between the permissions and the owner) |
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| 10:01.57 | denon | hmm .. where's localnet defined? |
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| 10:02.08 | belracu | FreeRadius sever .. ? |
| 10:02.21 | denon | just noticed this debian box had a destination route of localnet instead of * |
| 10:02.26 | denon | wondered if that had somethin to do with it |
| 10:02.41 | denon | oh, I spose not .. |
| 10:02.51 | peterS | denon: use -n with 'netstat -r' to get numbers rather than names |
| 10:02.55 | denon | other destinations were /24, hence the 1.2.3.0 |
| 10:03.16 | peterS | denon: 'localnet' is defined in /etc/networks, btw. |
| 10:03.36 | peterS | denon: this is dynamically generated by 'ifup' from the IP and netmask in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:04.10 | denon | peterS: thanks .. hrm, wonder if my problem lies there |
| 10:04.35 | peterS | denon: if your default gateway is the same as localnet, you probably need to fix your 'gateway' spec in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:04.42 | denon | subnet |
| 10:04.46 | denon | its not the same, no .. |
| 10:04.53 | denon | I just wonder if broadcast or somethin is hosed |
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| 10:05.28 | peterS | denon: when in doubt, leave 'network' and 'broadcast' out of /etc/network/interfaces. most of the time they will be correctly deduced from your IP and netmask. so leaving them out reduces human error (: |
| 10:06.04 | Zap-W | \/ |
| 10:06.18 | peterS | /\ |
| 10:06.27 | denon | peterS: so I can edit it directly .. then hup inetd? |
| 10:06.39 | peterS | denon: edit it directly, then run '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
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| 10:06.51 | peterS | denon: inetd is not directly related to your interface setup |
| 10:06.51 | denon | peterS: I dont need a gateway for aliases right? |
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| 10:07.11 | peterS | denon: the point of a default gateway is, that's where packets go out if they have no other route specified. you should only need one. |
| 10:07.16 | denon | right.. |
| 10:07.27 | denon | damn, then everything looks right |
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| 10:08.16 | Ryuujin | omg, i sure can se how my load decrease as x finishes starting up |
| 10:08.59 | denon | peterS: there's nothing else special about the aliases right? they use a standard subnet etc? |
| 10:09.02 | peterS | Ryuujin: KDE will do that (: to a lesser extent, so will other X apps |
| 10:09.14 | peterS | denon: nothing special about 'em that I can think of |
| 10:09.20 | denon | damn |
| 10:09.22 | denon | wonder what im missing |
| 10:09.37 | peterS | denon: so, how exactly is it failing, again? |
| 10:09.57 | denon | peterS: no matter what IP I try as the second, when its bound/up, I cant ping it |
| 10:10.22 | peterS | denon: is the alias on the same subnet as the original IP? |
| 10:10.33 | denon | peterS: its within vmware, though, and when its bound, the HOST can ping it .. but if I take that guest os down, host cant .. so its not like the ip is bound elsewhere |
| 10:10.45 | denon | peterS: yep, its a tiny subnet |
| 10:11.01 | denon | only a few IPs, all in one .248 |
| 10:11.04 | peterS | denon: wait ... the machine with the aliases that you're having all the trouble with ... is inside vmware? |
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| 10:11.14 | peterS | denon: ah, a /29 (: |
| 10:11.27 | denon | peterS: yeah, figured you saw that above, sorry |
| 10:11.29 | peterS | denon: and the host machine can ping the machine in the vmware session, but nobody else can? |
| 10:11.34 | Ryuujin | i wonder why my client starts lagging that much :( |
| 10:11.35 | denon | exactly |
| 10:11.46 | denon | nobody including the network or the guest os |
| 10:12.03 | denon | I know the ips are routed properly, tried binding them to the host (and of course unbound them again) |
| 10:12.14 | peterS | denon: in that case I suspect it's a routing issue with the host machine. I think you need to enable packet forwarding on it |
| 10:12.16 | moustic | peterS: ok compil done, i hope i will come back ;) |
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| 10:12.39 | denon | peterS: but how come debian, the guest, cant even ping its own IP? |
| 10:12.46 | belracu | how do you write a ISO image usig cdrecord? |
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| 10:13.06 | peterS | denon: a mystery indeed. I'm not sure on that one. |
| 10:13.15 | Ryuujin | belracu: cdrecord -h to see a little help. |
| 10:13.32 | denon | peterS: I dont like mysteries :) |
| 10:13.38 | denon | what admin does |
| 10:13.42 | belracu | Ryuujin: well its forcing to SCSI device and i have IDE |
| 10:13.45 | peterS | denon: but check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding on your host machine, to make sure it is set to '1' |
| 10:14.03 | denon | peterS: set flames=1 .. the host OS is win2k3 |
| 10:14.14 | Ryuujin | denon: i for one like mysteries; they mean there's something for me to do and figure out. |
| 10:14.29 | qazix | belracu, if you're using a 2.4 kernel you'll have to use ide-scsi. 2.6 supports burning to IDE drives w/o SCSI emulation. |
| 10:14.41 | peterS | denon: heh - there should be a "forward packets" checkbox somewhere in the NIC setup for the real nic and the vmware nic, then. I don't remember where exactly |
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| 10:15.00 | belracu | qazix: thanks |
| 10:15.15 | denon | peterS: yeah, nt4 had that kinda setup, but I think its all automagic in 2k3 .. but dont forget, the first IP works fine |
| 10:16.05 | peterS | denon: hmmm. it could still be a routing issue with the host box. or a linux networking issue, I really can't be sure |
| 10:16.38 | peterS | denon: but if the host can ping all the guest's IPs but nobody else can, then yes, it's a host box routing issue. |
| 10:16.58 | peterS | denon: assuming of course that you've already ruled out external routing issues, which you say you have |
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| 10:17.26 | denon | peterS: but the guest cant even ping its own |
| 10:17.33 | denon | or rather, its alias |
| 10:17.49 | peterS | denon: leave that alone for the moment. if the host can ping the guest's aliases, then the rest of the world should be able to as well. |
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| 10:18.07 | peterS | denon: I know nothing about vmware - does the host do proxy arp for the guest? |
| 10:18.19 | denon | I'd agree, except for the fact that vmware is binding that locally .. |
| 10:18.29 | peterS | denon: or are you using regular routing tables to direct packets to the guest? |
| 10:18.30 | denon | I would guess some type of proxy arp / bridging |
| 10:18.36 | moustic | peterS: great !!!! thanks again !!! |
| 10:18.54 | peterS | denon: if it's proxy arp and bridging, then make sure it is doing this for the whole /29 subnet, not just the original guest IP. |
| 10:18.55 | denon | peterS: not sure how its working under the hood .. its a bridging mode, directly exposing the real IPs to the net |
| 10:19.06 | peterS | denon: how to be sure of this I have no idea, since like I said I know noting about vmware |
| 10:19.29 | denon | peterS: same .. Ive never needed to know, in the past Ive just set the guests up and they magically work |
| 10:19.31 | denon | never debian ,tho |
| 10:19.37 | denon | usually fbsd |
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| 10:20.02 | peterS | moustic: so your Linksys card works with 2.6.0 now? great! |
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| 10:20.37 | peterS | denon: like I said, if vmware is doing proxy arp, it needs to know that it should do proxy arp for the whole subnet you've got for your guest. I don't know if that's supposed to be automatically set up or not |
| 10:21.29 | denon | yeah .. it can use the same subnet on host and guest |
| 10:21.35 | denon | I guess its an ip by ip basis |
| 10:21.42 | peterS | denon: well, look into that, then (: |
| 10:21.56 | denon | howso? thats how its setup already |
| 10:21.57 | denon | hehe |
| 10:22.07 | peterS | denon: as for why your guest can't ping its own aliases ... I have no clue on that one either. that's kind of a weird problem. |
| 10:22.27 | denon | it can ping its own interface .. |
| 10:22.30 | denon | just not the alias .. |
| 10:22.37 | denon | so can I set up some type of virtual if maybe? |
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| 10:22.42 | denon | hence .. alias .. but somethin else |
| 10:23.04 | peterS | denon: by alias you mean eth0:0 and eth0:1, or similar? and 'ifconfig -a' shows them, and says they are "UP"? |
| 10:23.29 | denon | peterS: right, eth0 works, eth0:0 does not |
| 10:23.46 | denon | and yes, both up |
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| 10:23.53 | captbunzo | peterS: thanks for the help |
| 10:24.02 | captbunzo | looks like I have it all working nicely. :) |
| 10:24.17 | peterS | denon: just as a test, you might try installing 'iproute' and using 'ip addr add eth0 {alias-ip}' |
| 10:24.32 | peterS | denon: that creates a second address for a single alias - not a separate alias. it might work better for you |
| 10:24.59 | peterS | denon: well, it's still an alias in a way, but it doesn't have a separate interface name like 'eth0:0' |
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| 10:25.14 | peterS | captbunzo: great to hear that |
| 10:25.22 | peterS | captbunzo: I do believe you're my first convert to the bind-mount partition scheme (: |
| 10:26.02 | Ryuujin | eth0 and eth1 is external and internal ethernet, right? |
| 10:26.09 | Ryuujin | that's the default, at least |
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| 10:26.26 | jetscreamer | they're what you tell em to be |
| 10:26.27 | peterS | Ryuujin: "internal" and "external" don't really have a fixed meaning |
| 10:26.38 | peterS | Ryuujin: you can designate these things however you want. there really isn't a "default" |
| 10:26.55 | Ryuujin | ow.. well, how do i designate them to their specifict roles? |
| 10:27.19 | jetscreamer | assign the proper ips |
| 10:27.26 | peterS | Ryuujin: well, plug the right network cables into the right cards ... and specify their IP addresses and netmasks appropriately in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:27.56 | Ryuujin | peterS: both are dhcp.. O.o |
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| 10:28.03 | Ryuujin | but that shouldn't matter anyways |
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| 10:28.11 | Mr_butler | hi |
| 10:28.22 | peterS | Ryuujin: if you need to distinguish between "internal" and "external" for firewall purposes or something, you'll have to just refer to interface names (eth0, eth1) in the appropriate places in your config |
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| 10:28.43 | peterS | Ex-REEEEEEEEEEED HAT HAS LANDED!! |
| 10:28.47 | captbunzo | peterS: there is a certain bit of elegance to it. :) |
| 10:28.56 | peterS | captbunzo: I think so (: |
| 10:29.20 | Mr_butler | peterS; captbunzo hello |
| 10:29.22 | peterS | captbunzo: it also made me feel smart for coming up with a valid use for bind mounts, which are a neat 2.4 kernel feature most people never use |
| 10:29.27 | Ryuujin | peterS: the one of the connections is from a 100mbit across the street.. and the other one is my own isp |
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| 10:30.13 | peterS | Ryuujin: like I said, plug the network cables into the correct cards - if you even care which is which (you might not care) |
| 10:30.28 | peterS | Ryuujin: DHCP should handle the rest, really. |
| 10:30.31 | Ryuujin | yay! both are working ^_^ |
| 10:30.43 | grzesiek_ | hey how to disable ipv6 in exim? each time when someone does empty connection to my smtp I get exim -bs and child /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- net-pf-10 when there is 30 of them things get really slow, I did /etc/modutils/aliases net-pf-10 off but no fun! |
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| 10:31.28 | knt | hi all, yesterday i patched my kernel with the latest 2.6.0 patch but when i type uname -r i still see 2.6.0, ain't it have to be 2.6.1-1 (or like sth else)? |
| 10:31.45 | tarzeau | grzesiek_: there's #debian-ipv6 and #exim should there be nobody who knows your answer here |
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| 10:32.02 | grzesiek_ | ok |
| 10:32.11 | dondelelcaro | knt: you probably aren't running 2.6.1 then. |
| 10:32.35 | captbunzo | peterS: any idea how to get the frame buffer device to default to something besides 80x30? |
| 10:32.41 | filp | knt: what version number do you have in your Makefile? |
| 10:32.45 | dondelelcaro | knt: uname -r reflects the version set in include/linux/version.h |
| 10:33.20 | peterS | captbunzo: I don't remember how. I don't use frame buffers. there is a kernel command line parameter for that you can set, which I think depends on which frame buffer driver you are using. |
| 10:33.27 | denon | peterS: sigh ..im beginning to suspect the host .. |
| 10:33.45 | fpmc | anyway to check on memory status? It seems from Control Center that 96% of my RAM is used, and I dont' understand which program is using all that RAM |
| 10:33.48 | peterS | denon: that's a popular attitude around here, when the host is win2k3 and the guest is linux (: |
| 10:34.19 | denon | peterS: yeah, well .. im not really into the whole OS battle thing |
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| 10:34.41 | peterS | denon: I know, it's a silly attitude. I'm just saying, there is a lot of jingoism around here, same as the rest of the world |
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| 10:35.04 | denon | peterS: personally, I think its more passing the buck than anything |
| 10:35.08 | knt | floppyears: yes i have the 2.6.1-rc1 in my Makefile |
| 10:35.11 | peterS | denon: indeed |
| 10:35.14 | knt | floppyears: sorry :D |
| 10:35.18 | denon | takes a lot of expertise to be well-rounded everywhere .. nobody wants to fess up to that :) |
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| 10:35.27 | knt | filp: yes i have the 2.6.1-rc1 in my Makefile |
| 10:35.30 | HuBBa | i've just copiled a new kernel (using make and make p in the top of my kernel-source dir. where does it put my new kernel ?? |
| 10:35.50 | filp | knt: dont msg |
| 10:36.03 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:36.10 | peterS | HuBBa: after compiling, the kernel will be 'vmlinux' in the same dir. the *bootable* version of the kernel will be 'arch/i386/boot/bzImage' |
| 10:36.11 | filp | knt: then you're booting the wrong kernel |
| 10:36.33 | knt | filp: but i've made make install and lili |
| 10:36.40 | peterS | HuBBa: the latter is compressed, and includes bootstrap code. the former is just the kernel itself |
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| 10:37.10 | filp | knt: well read the docs again or it |
| 10:37.20 | filp | knt: or it's some sort of gypsy curse |
| 10:37.35 | Mave | or sacrifice a chicken |
| 10:37.37 | HuBBa | peterS, i need the "bootable" one right, or do i also need the kernel itself from the source dir ? |
| 10:37.39 | knt | filp: "gypsy curse"? |
| 10:37.54 | peterS | HuBBa: you need bzImage, right. |
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| 10:38.09 | Mave | knt: "çingene laneti" |
| 10:38.10 | denon | peterS: im actually not blaming win2k3 .. there's "Tiny Firewall" installed on it |
| 10:38.25 | denon | peterS: the rules are very open, and it seems to see all the nics, vmware and physical |
| 10:38.28 | denon | but im still leary |
| 10:38.35 | peterS | denon: yeah, that could cause problems too |
| 10:38.36 | denon | cant find how to disable the damn firewall feature |
| 10:38.51 | denon | and, of course, its remote - so im walkin on eggshells |
| 10:38.52 | streuner_ | damn, there are a lot of changes in rc1 |
| 10:39.02 | peterS | streuner_: 80 pages of changelog, on my screen |
| 10:39.08 | peterS | streuner_: including at least 3 security fixes |
| 10:39.25 | filp | knt: you've done something wrong, do it again, from the begining |
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| 10:41.02 | peterS | streuner_: oh yeah! rc1 includes a new driver too - for some Lego toy interface. very important. |
| 10:41.11 | sid_ | hello |
| 10:41.18 | colde89 | cold not start xsane any idea ?? |
| 10:41.30 | sid_ | ? |
| 10:41.41 | peterS | oskie: the drive doesn't - but cdrecord can tell. -swab is just an override for if you discover that it's not detecting your drive setting correctly |
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| 10:42.11 | HuBBa | peterS: i dont have an bzimage located there, i have a makefile and a dir and sime scripts |
| 10:42.45 | HuBBa | peterS: in /arch/...../boot/ |
| 10:42.48 | peterS | HuBBa: then apparently you haven't compiled the kernel. arch/i386/boot/bzImage is created during 'make'. if it failed halfway through, or something, that would explain it |
| 10:42.51 | oskie | peterS: ok.. the manual page should be clearer about that. so i assume in most cases -swab isn't necessary? |
| 10:43.01 | peterS | oskie: correct |
| 10:43.36 | HuBBa | peterS: after doing make it said to do make p, and i did, saw no errormessages |
| 10:43.51 | peterS | HuBBa: if you're compiling this on a non-i386 architecture, the bootable image file might not be called bzImage |
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| 10:44.10 | HuBBa | it is i386 (686) |
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| 10:44.36 | peterS | HuBBa: "make p"? I haven't heard of that one. something's weird about your setup |
| 10:46.30 | HuBBa | peterS it was make dep, sorry, i made late last night, i guess u understand better now |
| 10:46.31 | hendry | anyone know what kernel is best for VIA Nehemiah? |
| 10:46.57 | sussudio | hendry: you would know if you bothered to read the fucking instructions when you do make menuconfig. |
| 10:47.01 | peterS | HuBBa: 'make dep' is a preliminary step. once you've done that you still have to build the kernel itself. use 'make bzImage' to do that |
| 10:47.16 | hendry | sussudio: I don't use menuconfig |
| 10:47.24 | sussudio | hendry: so start doing that. |
| 10:47.34 | denon | peterS: so this is interesting .. a ping -I from that alias ip works .. packet goes out to the world and back |
| 10:47.37 | colde89 | cold not start xsane any idea ?? |
| 10:47.38 | peterS | HuBBa: also, 'make modules' if you've selected any loadable modules. |
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| 10:48.01 | peterS | denon: good to hear |
| 10:48.11 | belracu | Need Help in configuring FreeRadius Server |
| 10:48.12 | hendry | sussudio: I use packages. Debian packages. |
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| 10:48.24 | Mave | ~sing sussudio |
| 10:48.26 | | ACTION sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 10:48.27 | sussudio | hendry: "CyrixIII" for VIA Cyrix III or VIA C3. |
| 10:48.33 | belracu | " .........FReeRadius Server........... " |
| 10:48.37 | denon | peterS: im not sure if it is or not :) |
| 10:49.01 | peterS | denon: well, it seems to indicate that external routing works. have you got it where you can ping your aliases from the outside world, yet? |
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| 10:49.24 | hendry | sussudio: no packages by that name |
| 10:49.34 | denon | peterS: no .. nothing's changed there .. I just made that observation is all |
| 10:49.42 | HuBBa | peterS: the modules are making now, but make bz-image gave no result |
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| 10:49.52 | HuBBa | sorry make bzimage |
| 10:49.53 | sussudio | hendry: fuck, you're dim. use i386 or whatever. |
| 10:50.06 | initech | hendry: the closest you'll probably come with a kernel image is i586 |
| 10:50.11 | sussudio | apt why are people stupid? |
| 10:50.20 | | sussudio: what are you talking about? |
| 10:50.20 | peterS | HuBBa: you do have to capitalise the 'i' there. "make bzImage" |
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| 10:50.31 | HuBBa | peterS: sorry, my bad |
| 10:50.33 | peterS | initech: the C3 is i686-compatible, isn't it? |
| 10:50.50 | initech | not sure |
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| 10:51.27 | peterS | denon: weird. because if you can ping from an alias address using 'ping -I' and get a packet back, then bidirectional routing seems to be up and going. so the reverse should work just as well. |
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| 10:51.50 | pali | hello |
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| 10:52.23 | HuBBa | peterS: does it make a modules dir for me ?, and do i need to move it somewhere ? |
| 10:52.53 | filp | pali: hello |
| 10:52.53 | pali | filp ;] |
| 10:52.53 | peterS | HuBBa: to install the modules in /lib/modules/, use 'make modules_install' |
| 10:53.10 | filp | pali: something we can do for you? |
| 10:53.23 | pali | yes ;] |
| 10:53.35 | pali | i have problem with Xserver |
| 10:53.48 | pali | now i have 4.3 and kde 3.2 |
| 10:53.52 | HuBBa | peterS can i do that for the kernel image too (make bzImage_install) ? |
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| 10:53.56 | pali | all testing ;] |
| 10:53.58 | pali | and |
| 10:54.13 | streuner | !tell pali about enter |
| 10:54.29 | denon | peterS: unless of course a firewall was dropping inbound, even though its configured to accept all any |
| 10:54.30 | vuelos | Does anybody know a way in bash to make the first character in a file, uppercase? like file.mpd, to File.mpd, using for $file, etc |
| 10:54.49 | peterS | denon: if it was dropping inbound, you should not have gotten a reply to your 'ping -I'. |
| 10:55.00 | pali | when i trying to start kde [kde3] i get kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set. |
| 10:55.08 | pali | how to fix it? |
| 10:55.09 | initech | vuelos: "tr" can probably do that easily |
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| 10:55.17 | vuelos | initech: tr? |
| 10:55.23 | denon | peterS: but thats a different type of icmp than an inbound echo |
| 10:55.27 | peterS | denon: ...unless the firewall is distinguishing between ECHO REQUEST and ECHO REPLY type packets, I guess. |
| 10:55.31 | denon | :) |
| 10:55.42 | filp | pali: what were the solutions that you got when you put it into Google? |
| 10:55.45 | denon | this is pure speculation |
| 10:55.52 | peterS | yes |
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| 10:56.36 | denon | but I cant seem to figure out a way to disable this silly thing |
| 10:56.44 | denon | without deleting the ruleset .. which would lock me out |
| 10:56.58 | streuner | pali: so you have the testing version of debian (KDE3.1), right? |
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| 10:57.23 | L00thar | At the risk of great verbal abuse, he asks: how the hell can U use chmod to set permission recursively for directories only? |
| 10:57.35 | pali | streuner i have kde 3.2 and xfree 4.3 |
| 10:57.36 | vuelos | L00thar: -R ? |
| 10:57.37 | peterS | denon: I feel for you, I really do. playing with a firewall setup, remotely, is no fun |
| 10:57.37 | denon | -R |
| 10:57.42 | L00thar | ... |
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| 10:57.58 | denon | peterS: I dont mind if it its a decent firewall .. but this consumer friendly crap is painful |
| 10:57.58 | streuner | pali: Does X4.3 working with any windowmanager? |
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| 10:58.01 | vuelos | L00thar: chmod 777 /root/** -R |
| 10:58.04 | peterS | L00thar: for directories only? use 'find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod' |
| 10:58.10 | denon | peterS: reload in 20 is normally your friend :) |
| 10:58.38 | L00thar | peterS: Ya, I heard about the find-chmod combo. This is the only way? |
| 10:58.39 | vuelos | anybody know how to use tr to make uppercase the first character of a file? |
| 10:59.07 | peterS | L00thar: chmod does not have any built-in way to do "just directories". so 'find' is the simplest way to generate a list of those. |
| 10:59.37 | filp | vuelos: sed/awk or PERL |
| 10:59.38 | L00thar | peterS: Time for a rethink on chmod I would think... unless ACLs supercede all this... |
| 10:59.45 | pali | streuner yes i had started fluxbox on those X |
| 11:00.14 | streuner | pali: and where you got the 3.2 debs from? |
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| 11:00.28 | vuelos | filp: ? |
| 11:00.33 | peterS | vuelos: f=filename; f1=${f#?}; f0=${f%$f1}; f=$(echo "$f0" | tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]')$f1 |
| 11:00.36 | peterS | vuelos: untested |
| 11:00.51 | vuelos | peterS: let me try |
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| 11:01.26 | vuelos | peterS: nope |
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| 11:01.37 | isladur | hey |
| 11:01.41 | peterS | vuelos: works for me. I pasted the above, then "echo $f" showed "Filename" |
| 11:01.45 | pali | ftp://linux.upsa.es/pub/XFREE4.3 |
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| 11:02.05 | streuner | pali: i meant the KDE debs. |
| 11:02.07 | isladur | would someone be able to help me with problems using dri on an intel 815 chipset? |
| 11:02.15 | vuelos | peterS: noo, but i mean to rename files on my hard disck |
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| 11:02.37 | denon | peterS: so, I managed to disable the firewall .. doesnt look like it helped the cause tho |
| 11:02.39 | pali | http://debian.netfarm.it/experimental/ |
| 11:02.39 | vuelos | peterS: it works if you echo $f, i want to rename like 70 files to have uppercase in the firts character |
| 11:02.56 | peterS | vuelos: then script it. if you don't know how to script it, you should have asked *that* |
| 11:03.00 | isladur | i managed to enable it but now all gl stuff is corruptewd |
| 11:03.05 | peterS | denon: oh well, it was a good theory |
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| 11:03.32 | denon | peterS: wasnt it tho |
| 11:03.36 | streuner | pali: well, i use the debs from 'orth', these are betas, but they work well. |
| 11:03.40 | DirtBird | eeek bbl |
| 11:03.58 | vuelos | peterS: arhg fuck it, ill do it manually |
| 11:04.00 | isladur | anyone? ^___^ |
| 11:04.22 | denon | peterS: maybe I should just learn to live with a single IP on the virtual :\ |
| 11:04.34 | peterS | denon: that is, of course, your other option (: |
| 11:04.38 | denon | sucks, though, I wanted to have two different Bind views on it |
| 11:04.38 | pali | streuner could u give my adres to sources.list ? |
| 11:04.46 | pali | me* ;] |
| 11:04.50 | streuner | pali: one sec. |
| 11:04.58 | denon | I spose I could have the host just pass the other 53/udp on |
| 11:05.00 | denon | ick |
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| 11:06.20 | peterS | denon: I wish I knew what to say. if I had any vmware experience I might have more clues (: |
| 11:06.23 | isladur | um... can smeone please help me? |
| 11:07.01 | HuBBa | peterS : i've done make modules_install, now what do i do with the bzImage ? |
| 11:07.04 | denon | peterS: you know, im not sure this firewall is really disabled |
| 11:07.04 | sussudio | ~tell isladur about ask |
| 11:07.18 | denon | friggin software firewalls |
| 11:07.27 | peterS | HuBBa: copy it to some location (most people use /boot) and refer to it in your boot loader config - /etc/lilo.conf or whatever. |
| 11:07.42 | pali | streuner ok i am waiting... |
| 11:07.46 | Zap-W | how do i exit emacs! |
| 11:08.03 | HuBBa | peterS: i need to make the reference in lilo.conf myself ? |
| 11:08.24 | initech | Zap-W: ctrl-X ctrl-C |
| 11:08.57 | peterS | HuBBa: if you want lilo to boot this kernel, yes. put it somewhere under /boot and create an entry for it in lilo.conf. and rerun lilo when you're done |
| 11:09.00 | streuner | pali: http://opendoorsoftware.com/cgi/http.pl?p=kdecvs |
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| 11:10.08 | pali | streuner thx ;] |
| 11:10.18 | streuner | pali: welcome. |
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| 11:10.44 | isladur | im having problems with dri |
| 11:10.56 | isladur | my screen appears corrupted whenever i use an opengl application |
| 11:10.57 | HuBBa | peterS: u know if i can use the installkernel command here (was told about it when trying to do make install in /arch/i386/boot |
| 11:11.03 | isladur | i have an intel 815 chipset |
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| 11:11.23 | peterS | HuBBa: depends on how your lilo is set up. if you are using the debian default, then sure, you can use 'make install' |
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| 11:11.45 | peterS | HuBBa: (which calls /sbin/installkernel, which should work) |
| 11:12.00 | HuBBa | i do, but it told me to use installkernel with a bunch of option/arguments |
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| 11:12.57 | denon | peterS: booting it with two "physical" nics .. we shall see :) |
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| 11:13.23 | peterS | denon: you mean, vmware is allocating two virtual nics to the guest? |
| 11:13.39 | denon | right -- I added a second |
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| 11:13.44 | denon | to get around aliasing |
| 11:13.55 | peterS | denon: I never thought of that. who knows, that might actually work |
| 11:14.11 | ciga | anyone with radeon9200se? |
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| 11:15.05 | peterS | denon: assuming linux can be coaxed into detecting both nics, of course. doesn't vmware emulate some crap nic like ne2000 or something? |
| 11:15.18 | HuBBa | peterS can i msg u a 6 line paste of the result i get from make install ? |
| 11:15.26 | denon | coaxing in progress |
| 11:15.32 | peterS | HuBBa: join the #flood channel and paste it there |
| 11:15.48 | denon | peterS: whatd you say I run to get it to reparse the network file? |
| 11:15.52 | denon | er interfaces |
| 11:16.04 | peterS | denon: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:17.05 | denon | peterS; hmm . ifconfig shows it, but not UP |
| 11:17.22 | peterS | denon: make sure you have 'auto eth1' in your interfaces file |
| 11:17.32 | peterS | denon: (or 'auto lo eth0 eth1' is how I'd do it) |
| 11:17.41 | denon | manually UP'd it .. |
| 11:17.59 | denon | hrm .. ok weird.. ip isnt bound |
| 11:18.01 | isladur | im having problems with dri |
| 11:18.02 | isladur | my screen appears corrupted whenever i use an opengl application |
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| 11:18.03 | isladur | i have an intel 815 chipset |
| 11:18.06 | denon | I messed somethin up |
| 11:18.26 | initech | isladur: perhaps not allocating enough mem for the card? |
| 11:18.35 | peterS | denon: if you manually did 'ifconfig eth1 up' without giving it an IP address, that'll happen, sure |
| 11:18.36 | initech | isladur: just a thought |
| 11:18.41 | isladur | initech, ive tried that, but thanks |
| 11:18.42 | colde89 | sane did not start (segmentionfault) any idea ?? |
| 11:18.49 | denon | peterS: but I did, in the interfaces file .. then hit the restart |
| 11:18.50 | peterS | denon: just put an 'auto eth1' line in /etc/network/interfaces and run /etc/init.d/networking restart again |
| 11:19.06 | denon | did .. |
| 11:19.11 | denon | no ping :( |
| 11:19.17 | initech | isladur: does the dri site have any info about known probs with the 815? |
| 11:19.18 | isladur | the thing is, even tho everything is corruption, i can just see the actual window and its running smoothly |
| 11:19.23 | denon | but the ip is bound etc now |
| 11:19.31 | peterS | denon: so now 'ifconfig -a' shows the IP addresses assigned to both eth0 and eth1? |
| 11:19.36 | isladur | initech, not that ive found, ive been looking around for the last hour or two |
| 11:19.37 | denon | yeah |
| 11:19.46 | denon | and the local ping works (it worked before too after some screwin around) |
| 11:19.55 | denon | just no ping from the outside world |
| 11:20.17 | denon | that second nic was a good idea, damnit |
| 11:20.26 | peterS | indeed! |
| 11:21.15 | peterS | ok, check to see if it's proxy-arping correctly. do a 'ping' from the outside world (inside the physical network), then do 'arp -a' to see if each address shows up in the arp table of the remote (but on the same local net) box |
| 11:21.16 | denon | the road to redmond is paved with good intentions |
| 11:21.23 | peterS | denon: ^^^ |
| 11:21.44 | peterS | denon: did you get that? that sentence was kind of convoluted, I know |
| 11:21.55 | denon | eh .. lemme re-read |
| 11:22.14 | denon | so you want me to ping from a different local host |
| 11:22.22 | denon | which I cant do, cause its on its own vlan |
| 11:22.52 | peterS | denon: so you're saying the only machine on that local net is the win2k3 machine? |
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| 11:23.03 | denon | physical, yeah |
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| 11:23.18 | denon | and the switch, which I dont have access to |
| 11:23.22 | denon | its a remote office that we dont manage |
| 11:23.53 | isladur | im having problems with dri |
| 11:23.56 | isladur | my screen appears corrupted whenever i use an opengl application |
| 11:23.56 | peterS | denon: I'm talking broadcast domains here. places you can arp to. machines inside the same subnet, as determined by IP address / netmask. |
| 11:23.59 | isladur | i have an intel 815 chipset |
| 11:23.59 | Zapelius | anyone know a mirror for http://orinoco-usb.alioth.debian.org/ ? It down again :( |
| 11:24.01 | peterS | denon: not physical cables |
| 11:24.13 | peterS | denon: no other of *those*? |
| 11:24.33 | denon | the subnet consists of .16(network), 17(dfgw), 18-22(usable), 23(broadcast) |
| 11:24.41 | colde89 | sane did not start (segmentionfault) any idea ?? |
| 11:24.47 | DelEat_ | isladur: disable dri in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 11:25.10 | peterS | denon: I'm talking about the subnet of the *host*, not the *guest*. you're saying the *host* only has a /29 as well? |
| 11:25.17 | denon | peterS: and 18-22 are bound to the host :) (or in this case, I unbound 2, and bound em to the guest) |
| 11:25.25 | denon | no no no .. they share a subnetr |
| 11:25.28 | denon | -r |
| 11:25.30 | isladur | DelEat_, but then games are ridiculously slow? |
| 11:25.36 | denon | (thats how vmware works anyway .. or can anyway) |
| 11:25.48 | denon | there's only one subnet involved .. and thats it |
| 11:25.51 | colde89 | what is ment by segmention fault ?? |
| 11:26.01 | captbunzo | q |
| 11:26.05 | DelEat_ | isladur: well, until you fix it :) |
| 11:26.09 | peterS | denon: ok. so the only place you can arp the host from is the router, which is .17 |
| 11:26.09 | isladur | colde89, it means the program crashed |
| 11:26.17 | denon | colde89: it usually means "ah shit, I gotta drive to the noc" |
| 11:26.26 | isladur | DelEat, but im trying to fix it, non-gl programs work fine ;) |
| 11:26.26 | denon | peterS: right, which I dont have access to |
| 11:26.42 | peterS | denon: a lot of routers let you telnet or ssh to them (: |
| 11:27.00 | DelEat | peterS: the more expensive kind :) |
| 11:27.02 | denon | peterS: yeah, assuming I had the credentials to get in, and they didnt have an ACL disallowing us :) |
| 11:27.12 | peterS | denon: well, yeah (: |
| 11:27.24 | colde89 | denon : sane gives this to my |
| 11:27.29 | denon | its a vlan .. the idea is toe isolate .. |
| 11:27.34 | denon | to |
| 11:27.40 | peterS | denon: so, I don't know of any way to test whether the host is proxy-arping both of the guest IP addresses, then. |
| 11:27.41 | isladur | im having problems with dri |
| 11:27.44 | colde89 | denon : sane gives this to me |
| 11:27.45 | isladur | my screen appears corrupted whenever i use an opengl application |
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| 11:27.48 | isladur | i have an intel 815 chipset |
| 11:27.53 | peterS | denon: since the only place you can do that from is the same subnet, which means the router |
| 11:27.57 | felixdz | hello |
| 11:28.12 | denon | peterS: heh .. I could load up another vmware guest |
| 11:28.26 | felixdz | I am trying to install OpenOffice 1.1 using apt-get |
| 11:28.38 | peterS | denon: not sure what that would prove. that wouldn't really be on the same subnet |
| 11:28.43 | denon | nod |
| 11:28.54 | felixdz | I have removed my old OpenOffice.org... |
| 11:29.03 | peterS | denon: it *would* prove that you're a sick man. |
| 11:29.13 | felixdz | I am running unstable... |
| 11:29.27 | denon | peterS: its 5am and I'm in a debian channel whining about virtual network bridging ..you didnt know that already? |
| 11:29.29 | streuner | felixdz: /msg dpkg openoffice |
| 11:29.36 | isladur | felixdz, then shouldnt apt-get installopenoffice.org work fine? |
| 11:29.39 | peterS | denon: point |
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| 11:29.57 | colde89 | isladur :: any idea why sane cold secfault by starting ?? |
| 11:30.04 | denon | peterS: I do have access to another machine thats on the same network, but different subnet, and most likely differnt vlan |
| 11:30.12 | denon | peterS: so I doubt thats any help |
| 11:30.14 | peterS | denon: well, when all else fails, blame vmware. maybe it's not proxy arping the second interface. |
| 11:30.37 | felixdz | I try apt-get install -t unstable openoffice... |
| 11:30.41 | isladur | colde89, theres something wrong with it :P |
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| 11:30.45 | peterS | denon: you might be able to test that theory by running vmware somewhere else where you *do* have access to other machines on the same subnet. |
| 11:30.45 | felixdz | I'll try the above |
| 11:30.50 | streuner | !openoffice |
| 11:30.50 | dpkg | somebody said openoffice was a GPL Gtk based Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See #debian-oo http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice for debs. try 'deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ stable main contrib' if mirrors from the first URL do not work |
| 11:31.03 | denon | peterS: nah, I only have telnet access there |
| 11:31.17 | peterS | denon: of course, you'd have to have a copy of win2k3 and vmware, to really know if it's a valid mock-up |
| 11:31.19 | denon | and only access to ping,trace,etc |
| 11:31.43 | isladur | im having problems with dri |
| 11:31.43 | streuner | felixdz: use the URL in the factoid (s/stable/unstable/) |
| 11:31.45 | isladur | my screen appears corrupted whenever i use an opengl application |
| 11:31.49 | isladur | i have an intel 815 chipset |
| 11:31.51 | denon | peterS: vlance nic, btw |
| 11:32.10 | peterS | denon: ok, less retarded than I thought |
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| 11:33.35 | peterS | denon: your final recourse is probably to run two vmware instances, two linux installs, two copies of BIND. |
| 11:33.43 | denon | haha... ehh .. |
| 11:33.44 | ghent | i've got an error after apt-get update -> Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_Release (1) |
| 11:33.52 | ghent | how can i fix that ? |
| 11:34.15 | denon | peterS: I think Id rather just run two views of bind, on 53/54, then redir traffic on the host |
| 11:34.15 | jetscreamer | try a different server maybe |
| 11:34.22 | oskie | is there anything just remotely similar to Micro$oft Access for debian? |
| 11:34.30 | jetscreamer | mysql |
| 11:34.34 | denon | but damn thats still ugly |
| 11:34.36 | peterS | denon: right. or just run BIND on windows...... |
| 11:34.41 | jinnee | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.50 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with the ms dns |
| 11:35.00 | jetscreamer | jinnee yes |
| 11:35.04 | denon | peterS: you know, ive been wondering why i'm screwin with linux at all here .. 95% of what I need can be done on win32 |
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| 11:35.09 | peterS | jinnee: some kernels yes, some kernels no |
| 11:35.17 | denon | I just like having a unix I guess |
| 11:35.24 | peterS | jinnee: I don't remember when they fixed the cross-compile issues - I think only in 2.5/2.6 though |
| 11:35.26 | jetscreamer | stuff runs better |
| 11:35.35 | denon | not really .. but we like to think it does |
| 11:35.40 | sussudio | ~stuff |
| 11:35.41 | | ACTION is stuffing George* |
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| 11:36.19 | jetscreamer | quake definitely does |
| 11:36.34 | peterS | jetscreamer: the asm offsets file is generated in a way where the target compiler has to produce executables that will run on the machine you're compiling on |
| 11:36.36 | jinnee | how to find a cross-compiler?apt-cache search cc |grep sparc just gives me nothing |
| 11:36.44 | felixdz | I am getting the following message when I apt-get... |
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| 11:37.08 | felixdz | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:37.09 | felixdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.09 | felixdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.09 | felixdz | eal: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 11:37.13 | peterS | jetscreamer: I can explain why, if you *really* want, but the short version is that Keith Owens or someone figured out a different way to create the offsets file, and they switched to that other way on most if not all architectures during the 2.5 cycle |
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| 11:37.51 | felixdz | Sorry about that |
| 11:38.10 | peterS | jetscreamer: now I can't *swear* that sparc64 uses the old asm offsets method in 2.4, but I'm pretty sure it does. I remember being educated by dave miller himself when I tried to "fix" this in 2.3, not understanding the issues at the time |
| 11:38.13 | jetscreamer | add libarts1 to your apt-get line maybe |
| 11:38.38 | jetscreamer | and libartsc0 |
| 11:38.49 | peterS | jetscreamer: or was it Jakub Jelinek - well, it was one of the sparc hackers |
| 11:39.00 | denon | peterS: so should I recognize your nick from a kernel src somewhere? |
| 11:39.17 | felixdz | I'll try that jetscreamer |
| 11:39.23 | jetscreamer | getting ready to run windows for the first time... |
| 11:39.28 | peterS | denon: not likely. if you look really hard you'll see "peter samuelson" in a few kernel changelogs ... but nothing very major |
| 11:39.36 | denon | ah .. |
| 11:39.40 | denon | so SCO isnt gonna sue you.. |
| 11:39.48 | peterS | denon: hehe |
| 11:39.51 | initech | denon: what's the problem, anyway? |
| 11:40.03 | denon | initech: ehh .. its kinda a long story |
| 11:40.05 | denon | with a sad ending |
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| 11:40.24 | peterS | initech: the current theory is that vmware sucks |
| 11:40.32 | peterS | initech: this replaced the theory that his firewall sucked |
| 11:40.38 | initech | peterS: well no argument from me there |
| 11:40.40 | denon | initech: debian inside vmware, first ip in debian works fine, second ip doesnt .. |
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| 11:40.48 | peterS | initech: which in turn replaced the theory that linux networking setup sucked |
| 11:40.55 | initech | denon: lol I would not even go there :-) |
| 11:41.14 | denon | oh come now .. vmware has some very gratifying qualities |
| 11:41.34 | peterS | initech: the original theory was that he had just set up his networking wrong somehow. we eliminated that one a *long* time ago, though |
| 11:41.48 | denon | its enabling me to run mailman and bind on a win32 box :) |
| 11:41.55 | denon | course I could run bind .. but not mailman |
| 11:41.56 | felixdz | I tried to apt-get the relevant files and got this message... |
| 11:41.57 | denon | afaik |
| 11:42.01 | felixdz | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:42.01 | felixdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.16 | initech | denon: it is great for some things, perhaps some hardcore vmware nerds could help you (mailing lists?) |
| 11:42.19 | denon | yeah, peterS disproved the theory that I was just some random idiot coming in here with a broken cablemodem |
| 11:42.27 | peterS | heh |
| 11:42.33 | felixdz | I seem to be in some sort of dependency hell |
| 11:42.45 | jetscreamer | felixdz try dselect |
| 11:42.46 | denon | now he thinks im just some idiot with a broken vlan :) |
| 11:43.04 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.05 | peterS | I never said that |
| 11:43.06 | felixdz | tyring dselect |
| 11:43.09 | felixdz | now |
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| 11:43.18 | denon | its sooo damn sexy for newbies |
| 11:43.23 | jetscreamer | it's too powerful |
| 11:43.30 | jetscreamer | i had a bad exp in my beginning |
| 11:43.33 | denon | aptitude? |
| 11:43.41 | denon | / search .. \ search again |
| 11:43.46 | denon | how's that too powerful? |
| 11:43.47 | jetscreamer | ya i tried the with-recommends with-suggests |
| 11:43.58 | denon | hmm ..to each his own |
| 11:44.08 | denon | I wuv aptitude tho .. but I usually end up using apt-get out of haste |
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| 11:44.13 | jetscreamer | just not comfy with it |
| 11:44.22 | initech | i usually just use apt-get & friends |
| 11:44.44 | dondelelcaro | denon: you could just aptitude install foo |
| 11:44.52 | jetscreamer | when apt-get doesn't work on a big package dselect usually meets the deps |
| 11:44.54 | denon | all and all im just happy when I can figure out debian's package system |
| 11:45.03 | denon | I found a totally broken package in stable the other day |
| 11:45.05 | denon | kinda bummed me out |
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| 11:45.23 | initech | denon: hrm .. which one? |
| 11:45.40 | dondelelcaro | denon: not surprising... there are packages that few people use, and so they never get tested... I assume you filed a bug (or checked for the bugs existance) |
| 11:45.44 | jetscreamer | file a bug? |
| 11:45.45 | denon | initech: webmin and webmin-core .. |
| 11:45.49 | denon | somehow the two were hosed together |
| 11:45.52 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 11:46.02 | denon | spent about 8 hours chasing phantom config errors |
| 11:46.04 | denon | was a mess |
| 11:46.13 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice webmin |
| 11:46.25 | denon | jetscreamer: nah, by the time I got it fixed, I never wanted to talk about it again |
| 11:46.26 | dondelelcaro | denon: probably for the better. You don't want webmin. |
| 11:46.27 | peterS | denon: I haven't tried it, but FWIW, I've never heard *anything* good about *any* version of webmin |
| 11:46.50 | initech | most of those webmin type thingys don't work very well. |
| 11:46.51 | denon | peterS: no way, webmin's great .. you can set up a newbie admin to deal with configs within minutews |
| 11:47.14 | denon | you guys outta love webmin, keeps another windows user off the streets |
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| 11:47.47 | peterS | denon: well, what I've heard is that it breaks in subtle and annoying ways, and this happens enough to just write it off rather than say "xxx bugs need to be fixed" |
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| 11:48.36 | denon | peterS: well, from what Ive seen, its usually the packages that break it -- ive never had a problem on linux of freebsd when installing from src |
| 11:48.43 | belracu | " .........FReeRadius Server........... " |
| 11:48.52 | dondelelcaro | denon: uh, in the most broken fashion. There's no reason why you shouldn't configure using an editor. |
| 11:48.53 | belracu | need help to configure |
| 11:48.56 | denon | s/of/or/ |
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| 11:49.39 | denon | dondelelcaro: you're sorta missing the point .. when Im training some schmuck in on how to manage shares .. I dont really feel the urge to 'school' him in the linux kiddie school of thought "vi is always better" |
| 11:49.47 | denon | sometimes you just need to get work accomplished and move on |
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| 11:49.53 | denon | web interfaces do that for these guys |
| 11:50.15 | dondelelcaro | denon: heh. those people I don't let near the boxen. If they can't use an editor and a cli, they get to stay the hell away. |
| 11:50.26 | denon | you live in a dream world |
| 11:50.37 | dondelelcaro | denon: I end up spending more time cleaning up after them than it would take to do it myself. |
| 11:50.37 | initech | dondelelcaro: that's usually not possible |
| 11:51.00 | initech | dondelelcaro: at least not in a large organization |
| 11:51.04 | denon | I know the idealistic way to run a noc .. but I also know how it usually actually happens |
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| 11:51.28 | dondelelcaro | initech: *shrug* I work in an ideal world. |
| 11:51.42 | h1de | how can I stop my proftpd service? when I try /etc/init.d/proftpd stop I get the notice: ProFTPd is started from inetd. |
| 11:51.50 | peterS | denon: well, as much fun as this has been, I'm gonna knock off for the evening, get a few hours of sleep. I'm in your timezone so you will I'm sure understand (: |
| 11:52.01 | peterS | h1de: comment out the entry in /etc/inetd.conf and run '/etc/init.d/inetd reload' |
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| 11:52.03 | denon | peterS: hehe sure do .. |
| 11:52.10 | h1de | thx |
| 11:52.15 | initech | h1de: edit /etc/inetd.conf |
| 11:53.25 | RobotBebop | can you configure mouse settings for the mouse driver in the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 11:54.28 | streuner | RobotBebop: why do you think you need that? |
| 11:54.29 | initech | RobotBebop: not much to configure other than getting the right driver loaded |
| 11:54.55 | initech | RobotBebop: mouse is configured at the app level, gpm or X |
| 11:55.16 | RobotBebop | initech: oh, well the mouse movies a little too fast for my liking in KDE |
| 11:55.25 | RobotBebop | even with the settings at their lowest |
| 11:55.25 | peterS | RobotBebop: with the 2.6 kernel, it's down to getting the kernel modules loaded. 'psmouse' if you have a PS/2 mouse, 'hid' if you have a USB one. 'mousedev' in both cases |
| 11:55.26 | initech | RobotBebop: is that all? |
| 11:55.40 | RobotBebop | initech: yah |
| 11:55.45 | initech | RobotBebop: just go in the KDE configuration manager, mouse section then |
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| 11:56.11 | RobotBebop | initech: i have Mouse Acceleration at 1x and the mouse threshold at 1px |
| 11:56.14 | peterS | initech: dang. here we were prepared for a whole gpm, X and kernel config session and it's just a KDE thing. I'm almost disappointed |
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| 11:56.22 | initech | heh |
| 11:56.33 | initech | RobotBebop: hmm |
| 11:56.50 | RobotBebop | well if i leave gpm running while X is running my mouse goes insane |
| 11:57.05 | initech | peterS: spoke too soon! |
| 11:57.07 | RobotBebop | so i just built mouse support into my kernel and stopped running gpm |
| 11:57.11 | peterS | RobotBebop: with kernel 2.6 it really shouldn't. are they both set to use /dev/input/mice? |
| 11:57.14 | dondelelcaro | RobotBebop: you don't have the driver for X and the input device for X set correctly. |
| 11:57.24 | RobotBebop | i've been using /dev/psaux |
| 11:57.38 | RobotBebop | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 11:57.40 | streuner | RobotBebop: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 11:57.41 | initech | RobotBebop: that's cool, probably your XF86config needs adjusting |
| 11:57.47 | RobotBebop | ok |
| 11:57.53 | streuner | RobotBebop: if you want use both gpm and X |
| 11:57.53 | peterS | RobotBebop: with kernel 2.6 you really should use /dev/input/mice and protocol 'exps2' (gpm) or 'explorerps/2' (XF86Config-4) for any mouse |
| 11:58.00 | dondelelcaro | RobotBebop: nah, they both should be /dev/input/mice |
| 11:58.15 | streuner | dpkg gpm+x |
| 11:58.16 | dpkg | gpm+x is, like, how to install gpm and X to share your mouse. Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to use repeat_type 'ms3' and your correct mouse setting, and configure X to use device '/dev/gpmdata' and protocol 'Intellimouse'. |
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| 11:59.01 | peterS | streuner: yeah, or that. but since /dev/input/mice is just a simulated device, it should do no harm to access it directly from both apps simultaneously |
| 11:59.18 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, that factoid is old. |
| 11:59.22 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo gpm+x |
| 11:59.22 | dpkg | gpm+x -- created by cupis <~paul@modem-530.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk> at Fri May 31 17:30:43 2002 (581 days); it has been requested 78 times, last by DelEat, 53s ago. |
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| 11:59.38 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it's still perfectly valid. just no longer necessary with /dev/input/mice |
| 12:00.22 | RobotBebop | i'll remember that |
| 12:00.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: note that in my opinion it's still the best way to do things if you use /dev/psaux with kernel 2.4. psaux, unlike /dev/input/mice, is connected directly to a real device that doesn't expect to have to talk to two apps at once |
| 12:00.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but with /d/i/m its pointless... [plus, its nice not to have to have gpm running...] |
| 12:00.39 | RobotBebop | i'm working on something in windows at the moment, but i just wanted to sort this out for future reference |
| 12:01.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: only issue is when you're not using a psaux device... |
| 12:01.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, if you don't want to run gpm, don't (: the gpm+x factoid is good for those of us who *do* want to have the gpm facilities available because we spend plenty of time in console mode |
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| 12:01.41 | dondelelcaro | peterS: /dev/input/mice works just fine with gpm... |
| 12:02.03 | RobotBebop | so if i don't run gpm, and tell X to use /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/psaux it'll smooth out the speed issue ? |
| 12:02.11 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I know. protocols ps2, imps2, and exps2 should all work. likewise protocols PS/2, ImPS/2 and ExplorerPS/2 should all work with X |
| 12:02.12 | joss | <dondelelcaro> does wheel also work with gpm then? |
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| 12:02.30 | dondelelcaro | joss: it should... but I don't use gpm that often. |
| 12:02.32 | Protagonist | heeeey |
| 12:02.32 | peterS | joss: gpm doesn't do anything special with wheel data, but it can certainly pass it through to X |
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| 12:02.38 | joss | peterS: any difference between explps2 and imps2? |
| 12:02.41 | Protagonist | can someone help me with jabberd 2 |
| 12:02.45 | peterS | joss: do you really want to know? (: |
| 12:02.46 | Protagonist | in a query |
| 12:03.00 | joss | peterS: sure |
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| 12:03.08 | xerophyte | What is the best File Integrity Detection Systems |
| 12:03.11 | xerophyte | ? |
| 12:03.11 | streuner | Protagnoist /msg dpkg msg me |
| 12:03.13 | peterS | joss: the PS/2 "Intellimouse Explorer" is an upgrade to the PS/2 "Intellimouse" that has more mouse buttons. to accomodate that, Microsoft changed the protocol around a bit |
| 12:03.15 | dondelelcaro | !best |
| 12:03.15 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 12:03.42 | Protagonist | streuner: ? |
| 12:03.42 | marcel | apt, hi |
| 12:03.44 | | hello, marcel |
| 12:03.44 | joss | peterS: no no curious about movement algorhtim |
| 12:03.44 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: I personally like aide, but that's just personal opinion. |
| 12:03.48 | RobotBebop | !best |
| 12:03.48 | streuner | !msg me |
| 12:03.48 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 12:03.48 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. |
| 12:03.50 | RobotBebop | !best windows |
| 12:03.55 | Protagonist | !msg me |
| 12:03.55 | peterS | joss: the kernel simulated driver /dev/input/mice should automatically work fine with either protocol. but if your mouse has 4 or more buttons, you won't get to see them all with just 'ImPS/2'. |
| 12:03.59 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro thx |
| 12:04.10 | streuner | Protagnoist: ask in channel. |
| 12:04.16 | Protagonist | okay |
| 12:04.17 | Protagonist | well |
| 12:04.21 | Protagonist | the server is running |
| 12:04.24 | felixdz | anybody know which section of dselect I find openoffice? |
| 12:04.24 | Protagonist | and has clients |
| 12:04.33 | Protagonist | but its not possible for clients on the server to join a muc |
| 12:04.36 | Protagonist | on another server |
| 12:04.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell Protagonist about enter |
| 12:04.41 | peterS | joss: ImPS/2 and ExplorerPS/2 both use 4-byte mouse packets. the exact location of the different fields within each packet is somewhat different, that is all. |
| 12:04.45 | marcel | felixdz, apt-cache search openoffice, then apt-get install |
| 12:05.02 | Protagonist | heeey |
| 12:05.05 | Protagonist | come on |
| 12:05.18 | dondelelcaro | felixdz: if you apt-cache show openoffice, it'll show the section that openoffice.org is in |
| 12:06.08 | dondelelcaro | s/openoffice/openoffice.org/ |
| 12:06.10 | Protagonist | the serveris running, and it has clients, and if a client, of the server, wants to, join a muc, onanotherserver, it doesn't work, theotherserver, keepssaying, youarenotonthatroom, and i have no clue what the problem is, help me |
| 12:06.35 | Protagonist | :> |
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| 12:07.14 | dondelelcaro | Protagonist: #jabber or jabber on conference.jabber.org will be better able to help you. |
| 12:07.21 | Protagonist | no |
| 12:07.27 | Protagonist | cause i cannot join conferences |
| 12:07.33 | Protagonist | cause of the problem i just described |
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| 12:07.45 | dondelelcaro | Protagonist: uh, just run a client, instead of the server. |
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| 12:07.53 | Protagonist | doesn't work either |
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| 12:08.00 | Protagonist | i get disconnected from the servers |
| 12:08.16 | marcel | Protagonist, tried gaim? |
| 12:08.20 | Protagonist | sure |
| 12:08.56 | Stripes | hey.. I just compiled a kernel and it is failing to boot. It gives me this error.. "vfs: cannot open root device "343" or unknown-block(3,67).....please append a corrent root= boot option" now I'm pretty sure I got the root= right, but it is weird being hdb3... any ideas? |
| 12:09.17 | Protagonist | use more enters stripes my messagebuffer is not big enough to read what you write |
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| 12:09.28 | Stripes | ok |
| 12:09.30 | marcel | Stripes, what filesystem is on that root? do you have that filesystem compiled in? |
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| 12:10.07 | Protagonist | hehe he should check fdisk |
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| 12:10.53 | Stripes | vfs: cannot open root device "343" or unknown-block(3,67) |
| 12:11.03 | Stripes | please append a corrent root= boot option |
| 12:11.29 | Stripes | I know root is hdb3 |
| 12:11.32 | Stripes | and I put that |
| 12:11.38 | marcel | Stripes, kernel 2.6? and do you have ide drivers compiled? |
| 12:11.50 | Stripes | ya.. 2.6 |
| 12:12.00 | Stripes | I'm pretty sure I added ide drivers |
| 12:12.16 | marcel | Stripes, i have 2.6 working, you can take my config file, and change it to your needs, so at least you know the config is right |
| 12:12.30 | dondelelcaro | Stripes: and it works if you use the older version of your kernel? |
| 12:12.47 | marcel | Stripes, http://www.flexible-it.nl/Downloads/config.txt |
| 12:13.00 | marcel | Stripes, copy that to /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 12:13.02 | Stripes | ya, the one on the cd worked... what version of 2.6 is that? |
| 12:13.14 | marcel | Stripes, 2.6.0 |
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| 12:13.33 | marcel | Stripes, and do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 12:13.35 | Stripes | the one from kernel.org or the debian one? |
| 12:13.39 | Stripes | ya.. I have that |
| 12:13.45 | marcel | Stripes, kernel.org |
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| 12:14.08 | Stripes | I got mine from apt |
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| 12:14.29 | Stripes | kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 |
| 12:14.30 | marcel | Stripes, i only use kernel.org |
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| 12:14.45 | marcel | Stripes, kernel.org has 2.6.0 final |
| 12:15.00 | marcel | Stripes, try that one |
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| 12:15.03 | Stripes | ok, I'll go get that and try |
| 12:15.14 | Stripes | ftp.kernel.org? |
| 12:15.24 | marcel | Stripes, or http://kernel.org |
| 12:15.57 | marcel | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 12:16.13 | Stripes | :) |
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| 12:17.51 | Stripes | damn.. what's the command to download that from bash? |
| 12:18.00 | Stripes | I cant remember |
| 12:18.01 | marcel | Stripes, wget -c http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 12:18.07 | Stripes | thanks |
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| 12:21.36 | rw | I've upgraded my unstable to postgresql 7.4 but i havent dumped the |
| 12:21.36 | rw | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.36 | rw | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.36 | rw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.15 | rw | sorry. |
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| 12:23.43 | peterS | rw: the postgresql packaging scripts save a copy of some of the old postgresql binaries during the upgrade. specifically for this purpose. I don't remember where they put them, so check /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql.* to see what they do |
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| 12:24.08 | nerdzrool | Hi when I use an .xsession file in my home dir my startx restets |
| 12:24.16 | nerdzrool | when I delete the file everything works |
| 12:24.22 | nerdzrool | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:24.34 | marcel | restets? |
| 12:24.48 | sussudio | marcel: zal wel iets belgisch zijn. |
| 12:25.02 | nerdzrool | euhm I can see it for a fraction of a second |
| 12:25.15 | nerdzrool | but then It quits leaving no error messages |
| 12:25.19 | marcel | nerdzrool, what do you have in .xsession? |
| 12:25.30 | rw | I've upgraded my unstable to postgresql 7.4 but i havent dumped the database and i needed to do this before the upgrade. now i need to downgrade. is there any way to do this? where i can find postgresql 7.3 packages? |
| 12:25.32 | mwilson | He means that he wrote an invalid .xsession and he's surprised it doesn't work. |
| 12:25.39 | marcel | nerdzrool, you could add exec afterstep to .xinitrc |
| 12:25.50 | marcel | if you want afterstep |
| 12:26.01 | marcel | and have it installed of course |
| 12:26.07 | nerdzrool | marcel : exec gkrellm& |
| 12:26.22 | nerdzrool | marcel : and #!/bin/sh |
| 12:26.42 | mwilson | nerdzrool: Well, yeah... if that's all you have in it, what did you expect to have happen? |
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| 12:27.02 | marcel | gkrellm isnt a window manager! |
| 12:27.15 | nerdzrool | marcel: I linkes x-session-manager to /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 12:27.17 | marcel | you need to add a window manager at the end |
| 12:27.34 | mwilson | marcel: Only if he wants to run one. There's no requirement. |
| 12:27.39 | marcel | nerdzrool, exec fluxbox, where is it? |
| 12:27.47 | nerdzrool | marcel: ok thx |
| 12:27.54 | mwilson | nerdzrool: Ah. So you deliberately broke it, and now you're surprised? |
| 12:27.57 | marcel | mwilson, ok |
| 12:28.39 | nerdzrool | marcel: thanx, I was stupid :-) |
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| 12:29.15 | marcel | thats ok, the world needs stupid people i guess |
| 12:29.23 | nerdzrool | I agree |
| 12:29.39 | marcel | without stupid there would be no smart |
| 12:30.42 | xukun | hi all |
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| 12:31.00 | marcel | hi |
| 12:31.28 | xukun | how can I see if my sound card is installed? |
| 12:32.08 | marcel | xukun, lspci | grep audio |
| 12:32.11 | mwilson | Open the case and look? |
| 12:32.21 | xukun | marcel, thanks |
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| 12:33.10 | sussudio | xukun: open your case? |
| 12:34.04 | clinfix | i can mount vfat partitions,and able to see in terminal but cant see with X ,like mozilla xmms? |
| 12:34.05 | sussudio | bogomips lies |
| 12:34.08 | xukun | marcel, ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) |
| 12:34.30 | xukun | is that ok |
| 12:34.32 | sussudio | in dmesg and /proc/cpuinfo it says bogomips : 532.48 but when i run it on its own from bash, it says Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 264.00 BogoMips |
| 12:34.51 | marcel | xukun, i guess, do you have any drivers for it? |
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| 12:35.04 | peterS | xukun: the module for that one is 'trident' |
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| 12:35.36 | sussudio | ~nutsmite trident |
| 12:35.43 | xukun | does this mean that the sound card is installed or do I need drivers? |
| 12:35.55 | peterS | xukun: the driver is called 'trident'. install it using "modconf". |
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| 12:36.04 | marcel | xukun, you need drivers called modules in linux, try modprobe trident |
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| 12:36.26 | marcel | peterS, is that module alsa or oss? |
| 12:36.34 | peterS | marcel: oss. I didn't check alsa |
| 12:37.09 | xukun | how can see if the drivers are not installed or installed? |
| 12:37.12 | paulswm | sussudio: yes, mine says 2660.76 and 1292.00 respecitvely... wonder why that is |
| 12:37.24 | peterS | xukun: lsmod |
| 12:37.37 | xukun | I see thanks |
| 12:38.01 | sussudio | paulswm: it does it with some cpu's and not others. with a p166mmx or my athlon 800they'll be the same, with this p2-266 they won't. |
| 12:38.16 | peterS | xukun: note that when you install the 'trident' driver it will also pull in two other helper modules, 'ac97_codec' and 'soundcore'. you can ignore those (: |
| 12:38.25 | paulswm | sussudio: mines an athlon thunderbird, 1.33 GHz |
| 12:39.00 | paulswm | sussudio: i'd research it if I really gave a crap :) |
| 12:39.08 | sussudio | paulswm: it's not a motherboard thing either. if i put a k5-100 or a p90 on the same board, they'll act differently |
| 12:39.31 | asuffield | there's a reason why it's called "bogomips" |
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| 12:39.52 | paulswm | sussudio: maybe to do with the l2 cache or something |
| 12:39.58 | xukun | peterS, trident 29588 0 |
| 12:39.59 | xukun | ac97_codec 11912 0 [trident] |
| 12:39.59 | xukun | soundcore 3620 2 [trident] |
| 12:39.59 | xukun | pcigame 1672 0 [trident] |
| 12:39.59 | xukun | gameport |
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| 12:40.17 | sussudio | paulswm: nope. same board, same cache. |
| 12:40.35 | hedlund | When I try to start x I get "AddScreen/Screeninit failed for driver 0" |
| 12:40.42 | hedlund | What type of problem is that? |
| 12:40.47 | paulswm | sussudio: I thought the cache was on the CPU |
| 12:40.54 | asuffield | sussudio: different measuring method -> different result |
| 12:40.55 | sussudio | paulswm: that's the l1 cache |
| 12:41.09 | asuffield | l2 cache is usually on the chip too |
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| 12:41.16 | paulswm | sussudio: that's what I meant then, sorry I'm no CPU geek |
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| 12:41.31 | peterS | xukun: that's fine. that means your sound driver is installed. it should work now. (there are other things that can go wrong with your sound, but the driver itself is installed.) |
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| 12:41.40 | sussudio | a p1 doesn't even have l2 on the chip as far as i know |
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| 12:42.04 | Tchiak | I was wondering if it possible to make linux think a shared directory is a dvd drive? |
| 12:42.24 | asuffield | an original pentium is a piece of shit. hardly representative |
| 12:42.24 | Tchiak | for the purpose of making xine read off a DVD drive that is on the network |
| 12:42.33 | sussudio | asuffield: no, not different methods. same methods, diff cpu, skewed results. |
| 12:42.36 | peterS | Tchiak: depends on the application you are trying to fool, and what it needs to do |
| 12:42.54 | Tchiak | peterS i'm using Xine and it needs to play the DVD |
| 12:42.56 | xukun | peterS, so I should but in the cd-rom and test sound? |
| 12:42.59 | asuffield | sussudio: umm, that's normal |
| 12:43.05 | The_Vulture | Tchiak: so read the docs and learn about libdvdcss |
| 12:43.09 | asuffield | that's why it's called "bogomips" |
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| 12:43.40 | paulswm | asuffield: so you said, but it's interesting that one result is almost exactly 2 times the other |
| 12:43.43 | marcel | bogomips : 5144.57 |
| 12:43.49 | sussudio | asuffield: no. the point i was trying to make, with cpu A, it will give the same results from kernel and from standalone bogomips, with cpu B the results are vastly different. |
| 12:43.55 | peterS | xukun: sure, test sound. there are a couple of other problems you might have. (1) make sure you are in the 'audio' group. (2) run a mixer application and turn your volume levels up |
| 12:43.56 | clinfix | i am not able to see mounted partitions on X-windows |
| 12:44.05 | Tchiak | basically i want to make it so the shared dvd drive acts like it is teh dev/dvd |
| 12:44.07 | asuffield | sussudio: yes, nothing odd there |
| 12:44.26 | asuffield | paulswm: most things in hardware are factors of 2 |
| 12:44.27 | sussudio | asuffield: if you're mad, maybe. |
| 12:44.35 | marcel | clinfix, you need a x filemanager like nautilus in gnome |
| 12:44.52 | pbrook | Definition of bogomips: "How many million times a second the CPU can do nothing":) |
| 12:44.55 | streuner | !comfort sussudio |
| 12:44.55 | dpkg | There, there, sussudio. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:45.11 | clinfix | marcel: no i mean xmms too,it cant see mounted partitions(vfat) |
| 12:45.33 | Tchiak | where did you mount the partitions? |
| 12:45.36 | marcel | clinfix, do you have rights to look in to vfat partitions? |
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| 12:46.05 | clinfix | marcel: i can see my partitions with mc and on a terminal |
| 12:46.11 | Tchiak | is what i'm asking about even possible? |
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| 12:47.04 | marcel | clinfix, you cant access /mnt/windows/mp3 in xmms? |
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| 12:47.20 | peterS | Tchiak: I don't really know. I suspect not, at least for CSS-encrypted DVDs |
| 12:47.30 | asuffield | Tchiak: don't think so. rip the dvd first. |
| 12:47.47 | clinfix | yes as you know there must be a plus with the mounted partitions but it is not exist but partition mounted |
| 12:47.53 | peterS | Tchiak: hmmm ... then again ... it's not really necessary to have raw access to the DVD device to decrypt CSS, these days ... |
| 12:48.37 | marcel | clinfix, nautilus can access the partition? |
| 12:49.08 | clinfix | i dont have nautilus installed |
| 12:49.19 | Stripes | where do all of you guys live? |
| 12:49.25 | sussudio | ~tell Stripes about polls |
| 12:49.30 | sussudio | ~fuck Stripes |
| 12:49.34 | | ACTION humps Stripes's leg in public |
| 12:49.38 | marcel | clinfix, check if other apps can access the windows mp3 dir |
| 12:49.50 | Stripes | I was just wondering, because it's damn near 5am here |
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| 12:50.11 | clinfix | mozilla cant open too not only mp3,all partitions |
| 12:50.18 | sussudio | Stripes: do you see the number '647' somewhere on your screen? that's the amount of people that are in here. do you expect all of them to answer? do you? |
| 12:50.25 | Stripes | and sorry.. don't sick the weseals on me |
| 12:50.36 | streuner | Stripes: about 50 % is from US and the others from over the whole world. |
| 12:50.54 | Stripes | there are only about 4 or 5 people talking right now.. that was who I was refering to |
| 12:51.00 | marcel | streuner is from germany |
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| 12:51.03 | paulswm | sussudio: I infer from the bogomips howto that the kernel boot bogomips calc and the standalone program are different pieces of code and the alorithm may therefore be different: |
| 12:51.07 | sussudio | Stripes: or look at http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/countries.txt |
| 12:51.26 | asuffield | paulswm: the algorithm isn't, but they measure different things, so the results are |
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| 12:51.45 | paulswm | asuffield: yes, that makes sense |
| 12:51.52 | marcel | asuffield, bogomips are bogus |
| 12:51.57 | sussudio | streuner: less than 40% from the US, btw. |
| 12:52.14 | Stripes | is that by ip? |
| 12:52.17 | streuner | sussudio: :-) |
| 12:52.21 | sussudio | Stripes: yes |
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| 12:52.44 | sussudio | basically i did a /who #debian, stripped out the adresses and ran geoiplookup on them all |
| 12:52.55 | Stripes | neat |
| 12:53.09 | marcel | thanks i guess |
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| 12:53.48 | ralf | Hi |
| 12:53.53 | marcel | hi ralf |
| 12:53.59 | paulswm | there's lesss from the US because the US folks don't need to ask so many questions (*just kidding*) |
| 12:54.00 | sussudio | ralf as in barf? |
| 12:54.04 | ralf | I want to installa Debian |
| 12:54.07 | marcel | ralf malf |
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| 12:54.16 | streuner | ralf: /msg dpkg ig |
| 12:54.17 | sussudio | paulswm: they probably can't figure out how to get on IRC. |
| 12:54.38 | peterS | paulswm: maybe most of the Americans are still in #redhat or #gentoo |
| 12:54.50 | marcel | ralf, good choice, debian is really good |
| 12:54.58 | marcel | great |
| 12:55.07 | marcel | who scared the newbie? |
| 12:55.17 | sussudio | installing debian is a total PITA though. i did it a few days ago. |
| 12:55.30 | sussudio | once it's running, it's great. |
| 12:55.34 | marcel | i use bonzai linux to install debian |
| 12:55.44 | paulswm | sussudio: its an adventure, that's for sure |
| 12:55.47 | marcel | minicd with reiserfs, debian install |
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| 12:55.51 | js__ | i always mess up debian's structure |
| 12:55.58 | sussudio | paulswm: needs more -actually working- meta-packages. |
| 12:56.11 | marcel | i just install the basic debian woody thing, and then apt-get and upgrade |
| 12:56.13 | hedlund | When I try to start x I get "AddScreen/Screeninit failed for driver 0" |
| 12:56.15 | hedlund | What type of problem is that? |
| 12:56.26 | sussudio | ~noscreensfound |
| 12:56.28 | | [noscreensfound] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question, or ask me about "set up x" |
| 12:56.30 | xukun | peterS, I the sound is playing but no sound, I opened xmms as root so I think I should be a member of the audio group |
| 12:56.37 | paulswm | sussudio: it was more of an adventure back with potato and pre-potato when you had to pretty much do all your card configuring by hand |
| 12:56.52 | streuner | hedlund: what videocard do you have? |
| 12:56.54 | peterS | xukun: install and run a mixer application, like 'aumix'. adjust your volume levels - they're probably at 0 right now. |
| 12:57.13 | hedlund | streuner: Nvidia geforce 2 mx 440 |
| 12:57.15 | peterS | xukun: that seems like a silly thing, but it's amazing how often people have that problem when setting up sound |
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| 12:57.19 | sussudio | paulswm: well the base install was relatively painless, except for the part where i forgot to mark the boot partition as active. |
| 12:57.33 | paulswm | sussudio: hee hee |
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| 12:57.39 | vco | if i want to change encoding in my system (no X) from default iso-8859-1 to iso-8859-2 where do i have to look? |
| 12:58.06 | marcel | vco, dpkg --reconfigure locales |
| 12:58.06 | peterS | xukun: as for the audio group, run 'adduser {username} audio' as root, then log out and back in again as your normal user. then you won't have to run xmms as root anymore |
| 12:58.14 | xukun | peterS, I,m also using a program colled kscd and volume is at 100% |
| 12:58.22 | marcel | vco, no wait... |
| 12:58.25 | streuner | hedlund: You aren't that one who want install X a few days ago with different nick? :-) |
| 12:58.37 | vco | marcel: ok, im waiting :) |
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| 12:58.58 | peterS | xukun: there are several volume levels. there's one for CD input, one for master output, one for DSP input (xmms). that's why you should try a separate mixer app, so you can see and change them all |
| 12:59.13 | filipe | When i try to do swapon -v /dev/hda4 it gives me swapon: /dev/hda4: Invalid argument. What are the possible problems? |
| 12:59.13 | hedlund | streuner : No |
| 12:59.27 | xukun | peterS, I will try that |
| 12:59.32 | streuner | hedlund: ok, try #nvidia |
| 12:59.33 | filipe | I just checked with cfdisk and hda4 is a swap partition |
| 12:59.37 | vco | marcel: i would be more interested in what files to edit or smth like that. |
| 12:59.46 | hedlund | streuner : OK |
| 12:59.50 | peterS | filipe: does /dev/hda4 appear in /proc/partitions? if not, it means you have to reboot |
| 13:00.00 | peterS | Knight_Lord: ^^^ |
| 13:00.09 | marcel | vco, you need to run reconfigure locales for that |
| 13:00.19 | marcel | vco, but i dont remember how |
| 13:00.27 | Knight_Lord | strangely in /proc/partitions it shows up |
| 13:00.30 | peterS | Knight_Lord: if not, it probably means you changed your partitions around just now, but the kernel was already using something on /dev/hda so it couldn't update its own partition map |
| 13:00.35 | sussudio | it's always fun to configure lm-sensors. fun as in hammering nails into your head. |
| 13:00.39 | Knight_Lord | but there it also shows up /dev/hda5 which i don't have |
| 13:00.50 | pbrook | Knight_Lord: Did you do mkswap /dev/hda4? |
| 13:01.01 | vco | marcel: so i dont have to compile new kernel? ive read smth like this in some tutorial. :O |
| 13:01.06 | peterS | Knight_Lord: your best bet is to reboot, because the kernel's partition map doesn't match the on-disk one, so that will cause trouble |
| 13:01.09 | sussudio | kernel: i2c-dev.o: Registered 'SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 5000' as minor 0 |
| 13:01.11 | Knight_Lord | pbrook that's probably it :-D |
| 13:01.17 | sussudio | and then it still says 'no sensors found'. |
| 13:01.24 | peterS | Knight_Lord: then, after rebooting, run 'mkswap /dev/hda4' and 'swapon /dev/hda4' - which should both work |
| 13:01.36 | Knight_Lord | i forgot the mkswap |
| 13:01.58 | Knight_Lord | It's working now thanks :-) |
| 13:02.04 | marcel | vco, no |
| 13:02.17 | marcel | vco, i'm looking for the right command, hold on |
| 13:02.48 | marcel | vco, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:02.57 | marcel | vco, run that |
| 13:03.35 | asuffield | peterS: that's pretty hard. the system might not boot the next time around, though |
| 13:03.42 | Knight_Lord | peterS no i didn't i didn't change the partition table since the last reboot ;-) |
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| 13:04.16 | peterS | Knight_Lord: then I don't know why your /proc/partitions wouldn't match reality. (reality being 'fdisk -l /dev/hda') that's something you should investigate. |
| 13:05.31 | Knight_Lord | peterS the hda4 matches. I just have an extra hda5 which i don't really know what it means. It shows in dmesg as hda1 hda2 <hda5> hda3 hda4 so i suppose it's just some partitioning scheme |
| 13:06.04 | peterS | Knight_Lord: hda5 is a logical partition housed inside hda2, which is an extended partition. |
| 13:06.16 | skyweb | hi to all |
| 13:06.24 | marcel | hi |
| 13:06.45 | peterS | Knight_Lord: if you run 'cfdisk /dev/hda' it will not even show hda2, just hda5. 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' should show both. |
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| 13:07.11 | Knight_Lord | peterS cfdisk doesn't show hda5 just hda1-4 |
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| 13:07.43 | peterS | Knight_Lord: very strange. it should show hda5 as a "Logical" partition, and hda1 hda3 hda4 as "Primary" partitions. |
| 13:07.49 | skyweb | i'm searching some program to aquire from video input to Xvid o Divx.. |
| 13:07.56 | skyweb | have anything to suggest? |
| 13:08.19 | marcel | skyweb, you want do decode to divx? |
| 13:08.26 | pbrook | skyweb: dvr |
| 13:08.33 | mhelas | is somebody running tomcat5 ? |
| 13:10.09 | joss | Knight_Lord: well what fdisk -l /dev/hda shows for you then? |
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| 13:10.30 | manchot | anyone used iptables with kernel 2.6? |
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| 13:11.59 | sussudio | ~tell manchot about ask |
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| 13:12.36 | manchot | ok. |
| 13:12.42 | skyweb | pbrook: thx.. google searching |
| 13:13.10 | pbrook | skyweb: dvr.sourceforge.net :) |
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| 13:13.57 | pbrook | skyweb: or add "deb http://marillat.free.fr unstable maindeb http://marillat.free.fr unstable main" to your apt-sources |
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| 13:14.24 | pbrook | skyweb: D'oh! without the duplication, obviously. |
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| 13:14.33 | manchot | to compile iptables 1.29, do I need to point to kernel source? |
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| 13:15.33 | toopa2002 | hi |
| 13:15.57 | manchot | since kernel already have iptable function, why do we need iptables as an independent application? |
| 13:15.58 | Shay | hmm xmms is b0rked |
| 13:16.08 | The_Vulture | manchot: to actually manage it.. |
| 13:16.10 | h1de | how can I make my "dot files" being shown in ftp? (proftpd 1.2.9). When I write a line "showDotFiles on" the daemon claims: Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'ShowDotFiles' on line 13 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'. Any ideas how to make dot files shown in ftp? |
| 13:16.21 | The_Vulture | to create, modify and destroy rules, etc.. |
| 13:16.45 | The_Vulture | it's like asking why you need a music player when your kernel already has an audio module loaded.. |
| 13:16.57 | manchot | ok. then to compile iptalbes package, do I need to point to the the dir where kernel is installed? |
| 13:17.03 | The_Vulture | the module makes it possible to play sound, it isn't the original source of the sound to be generated |
| 13:17.14 | The_Vulture | why would you compile it? |
| 13:17.37 | manchot | I dowloaded the tar.gz package, I need to make and install it. |
| 13:18.23 | marcel | i thought iptables were in the kernel? |
| 13:18.24 | manchot | in the INSTALL file, I read about lines like 'make KERNEL_DIR=' the kernel'' |
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| 13:18.49 | manchot | just wondering why do I need to point to the kernel source? |
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| 13:19.59 | pbrook | manchot: IIRC the iptables tarball contains both the kernel modules (most of which are already in the kernel), and the userspace configuration program. |
| 13:20.34 | Ireul | please help me!!! I need to install kde headers on debian unstable... |
| 13:20.42 | mage_ | there are tons of stuff which need userspace programs (nfs, devfs, iptables, ...) |
| 13:20.48 | manchot | pbrook: oh I see. no wonder without pointing to the kernel source dir, it can still be compiled. |
| 13:21.11 | mage_ | Ireul: -dev packages |
| 13:21.13 | manchot | mage_: what does devfs do? |
| 13:21.16 | The_Vulture | manchot: why do you want to build it from scratch instead of installing a plain debian package? |
| 13:21.17 | Shay | oh I found how to make XMMS work on SID after a dist-upgrade |
| 13:21.21 | pbrook | manchot: Dunno, give it a try and see if it complains. |
| 13:21.24 | mage_ | it's deprecated in 2.6 kernel |
| 13:21.25 | Ireul | mage_: ??? |
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| 13:21.33 | mage_ | it's a file system for /dev |
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| 13:21.45 | PaPyrana | What is wrong with playing cd's via xmms on my knoppix(debian) linux system: everything hangs, I can only push the start/stop button; restart stops with a corrupt filesystem (superblock) message! |
| 13:21.50 | manchot | The_Vulture: cause I am not using debian. |
| 13:21.53 | mage_ | Ireul: headers are in -dev packages. |
| 13:22.03 | The_Vulture | manchot: which raises the question.. why are you asking in #debian ? |
| 13:22.11 | Ireul | mage_: yes I know |
| 13:22.18 | Ireul | mage_: but I can't install them |
| 13:22.27 | The_Vulture | PaPyrana: read the topic, knoppix is not debian |
| 13:22.29 | mage_ | why you can't ? |
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| 13:23.03 | BramM | hello |
| 13:23.07 | marcel | hi |
| 13:23.11 | manchot | The_Vulture: because rumors go that #debian has most of the 'high hands' |
| 13:23.15 | BramM | I want to install debian on a old pc |
| 13:23.15 | Ireul | mage_: it gave me errors |
| 13:23.24 | marcel | BramM, great |
| 13:23.25 | BramM | without a networkcard |
| 13:23.32 | PaPyrana | The_Vulture: ok, knoppix is not debian |
| 13:23.33 | marcel | BramM, download the cds |
| 13:23.43 | BramM | but to download 7 CDs |
| 13:23.44 | mage_ | Ireul: #debian-kde maybe |
| 13:23.48 | BramM | that's much |
| 13:23.50 | mage_ | ~kde |
| 13:23.51 | | kde is, like, somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far or bloated |
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| 13:23.56 | Ireul | mage_: ok thanks |
| 13:24.04 | simonrvn | manchot: doesn't matter. go ask in your dsitro's channel |
| 13:24.12 | BramM | I just want to have a basic systeem with fluxbox as windowmanager |
| 13:24.14 | marcel | BramM, buy the cds from www.kooplinux.nl |
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| 13:24.31 | BramM | marcel, spreek je nl ? |
| 13:24.35 | marcel | BramM, ja |
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| 13:24.45 | baz | BramM: you will probably only need the first 3 cds max |
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| 13:24.57 | pbrook | BramM: The first CD is sufficient to get it installed. |
| 13:24.58 | manchot | simonrvn: I don't want to go. |
| 13:25.07 | manchot | simonrvn: I want to stay |
| 13:25.32 | cobaltsixty | hello |
| 13:25.38 | asg | hiya |
| 13:25.47 | Knight_Lord | Anyone has an idea on how to create an animated gif from a series of gif files, and an animated gif compatible with opera and IE not just netscape |
| 13:25.57 | baz | Knight_Lord: gimp |
| 13:26.01 | asg | Knight_Lord: you should be able to do it with gimp |
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| 13:26.18 | BramM | pbrook, i already installed the basic systeem with the first |
| 13:26.28 | BramM | but how can I install fluxbox now ? |
| 13:26.34 | PaPyrana | has xmms problems to play cd's under debian? |
| 13:26.36 | mage_ | apt-get install fluxbox |
| 13:26.36 | mage_ | . |
| 13:26.37 | asg | BramM: do you have a modem connected to the box? |
| 13:26.41 | toopa2002 | i want to know about how to install thai-system in debian-3.0rc1 |
| 13:26.42 | Knight_Lord | baz thanks |
| 13:26.49 | simonrvn | manchot: why stay if you don't run debian as an os |
| 13:26.53 | mage_ | BramM: read the debian manual |
| 13:27.00 | baz | Knight_Lord: you'll need to install gimp1.2-nonfree, assuming you're running woody |
| 13:27.11 | Knight_Lord | ok |
| 13:27.30 | simonrvn | manchot: you'll get help in #mandrake i'm sure |
| 13:28.12 | baz | simonrvn: what would #mandrake know about knoppix? |
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| 13:28.35 | Coke | Does anyone have any idea how to activate the svideo output on a VGA? Is it done on module level or X-level? |
| 13:28.39 | asg | baz: about as much as we do :) |
| 13:28.53 | streuner | hehe |
| 13:28.56 | baz | asg: that's pretty shameful since knoppix is based on debian |
| 13:28.58 | simonrvn | baz: because he's in #mandrakefr.. |
| 13:29.05 | manchot | simonrvn: mandrake .... hmm. I will think about it. but I just want to stay, Perhaps Debian one day |
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| 13:29.23 | PDani | hi |
| 13:29.27 | asg | baz: yes, but we don't support knoppix because it uses non-standard and unofficial sources. |
| 13:29.30 | PDani | i tried to use the giFT |
| 13:29.37 | simonrvn | manchot: we won't be able to help you much here, if you're currently running knoppix.. |
| 13:29.39 | PDani | but it didn't connect to nodes... |
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| 13:29.43 | baz | simonrvn: ah, reading the wrong conversation - crossed eyes today I think, sorry :) |
| 13:29.55 | baz | asg: "support" is different to "know about" |
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| 13:30.14 | asg | baz: true, but most here do not 'know' about knoppix in the way most people running it need help |
| 13:30.14 | Knight_Lord | And i also can create an mpg from the gifs? |
| 13:30.21 | PDani | [14:28] OpenFT: ft_conn.c:291(acquire_new_stuff): seeking more parents... |
| 13:30.21 | PDani | [14:28] OpenFT: ft_conn.c:192(make_conn_purpose): refusing connection to 68.116.100.143:1215: previous session too recent |
| 13:30.21 | PDani | [14:28] OpenFT: ft_conn.c:192(make_conn_purpose): refusing connection to 66.236.208.164:1215: previous session too recent |
| 13:30.22 | manchot | simonrvn: yes but indeed I heard debian runners are tough. so I think you might be helpful in some general linux questions |
| 13:30.29 | PDani | it says things like these |
| 13:30.34 | baz | asg: I'd still like to think we know more about it than #mandrake though :) |
| 13:30.37 | asg | baz: i.e. (my samba broke, wft?) we don't know what packages are used, from which source, the bts doesn't help, etc. |
| 13:30.43 | simonrvn | manchot: you'll get the equivalent in #knoppix |
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| 13:30.54 | asg | baz: ah, perhaps more than #mandrake :) |
| 13:30.55 | PDani | i'm behind a firewall |
| 13:31.02 | PDani | any idea? |
| 13:31.17 | manchot | simonrvn: is it necessary to start fracide between different distributions? |
| 13:31.27 | baz | PDani: no warez and pr0n for you then |
| 13:31.38 | simonrvn | manchot: has nothing to do with that. it has everything to do with support |
| 13:31.46 | BramM | which documentation i have to read http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals ? |
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| 13:31.56 | BramM | there are lots of documetns |
| 13:32.02 | simonrvn | and we can't adequately support knoppix in here |
| 13:32.04 | mage_ | read all. |
| 13:32.05 | baz | BramM: the more you read the smarter you get |
| 13:32.12 | manchot | simonrvn: so any distri share common problems. |
| 13:32.26 | baz | distri? wow, I thought virii was bad latin |
| 13:32.55 | streuner | baz: do you have some concret answers or do you answer only ironic? |
| 13:33.08 | baz | streuner: ask me an ontopic question |
| 13:33.16 | simonrvn | manchot: you show your ignorance, because for instance, redhat puts their configs in different places.. and since when is distri a word? distro is short for distribution |
| 13:33.41 | streuner | baz: /lastlog BramM |
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| 13:33.43 | simonrvn | manchot: now please leave, before i get annoyed :) |
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| 13:34.40 | streuner | BramM: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:34.48 | streuner | BramM: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 13:34.50 | manchot | simonrvn: you are so quick to label people as this and that. ok. just a mis typing. |
| 13:34.57 | streuner | BramM: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 13:35.24 | manchot | simonrvn: and don't get so annoyed easily. it is harmful to you body and no good to linux in general. |
| 13:35.28 | topaz8 | ~abuse sussudio |
| 13:35.31 | | ACTION smacks sussudio across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 13:36.01 | asg | simonrvn: hehe, never thought anyone would give you, of all people, health tips :) |
| 13:36.05 | baz | I think I put apt/dpkg on ignore the first time I saw someone do thta |
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| 13:36.20 | streuner | haha |
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| 13:36.30 | streuner | asg: i thought the same... :-) |
| 13:37.21 | manchot | people think of themslves as something and so they easily get annoyed. |
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| 13:37.45 | manchot | I am wondering if Linus himself is so easy to get angry to threat to do something. |
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| 13:38.02 | davi__ | I am on woody. What is the best way to install mozilla-firebird or any other lightway web browser. This is an old machine: Pentium 133MHz 64MB RAM. |
| 13:38.09 | The_Vulture | manchot: go sit in the corner and be quiet and stop making a fool of yourself |
| 13:38.18 | petemc | haha |
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| 13:38.58 | manchot | The_Vulture: I meant to be quite and be listener here. but why are you kept treatening me? |
| 13:38.58 | simonrvn | manchot: a) you're off-topic, b) this isn't #linux c) you *are* anoying me (and maybe others) so please be quiet, or leave |
| 13:39.05 | baz | davi__: apt-get.org or get the linux binary from mozilla.org |
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| 13:39.16 | davi__ | thanks baz |
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| 13:40.10 | hackeron | hey, I'm having problems with the last command, it truncates any username longer than 8 characters.. is there any work around for that? |
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| 13:43.37 | prologic | What's the meaning of "Failed to fetch http://localhost/debian/unstable/Release rename failed, No such file or directory (/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/localhost_debian_unstable_Release -> /var/lib/apt/lists/localhost_debian_unstable_Release)." ? I'm using mini-dinstall... |
| 13:44.22 | streuner | prologic: sure you got no error in burning process? |
| 13:44.36 | prologic | burning process ? |
| 13:45.07 | streuner | prologic: didn't you burn an CD (netinstall)? |
| 13:45.27 | prologic | you must have an incredible memory :) |
| 13:45.34 | prologic | yes I did, but this error is completely separate |
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| 13:45.52 | prologic | I'm figuring out how mini-dinstall works and how to create a repository |
| 13:45.52 | gnupg | are actually no official sarge cd-images available? |
| 13:46.01 | prologic | gnupg, correct |
| 13:46.21 | gnupg | prologic - why? |
| 13:46.27 | topaz8 | prologic look at your /var/log/apache/access.log or errors.log, whether there's a 404 error for the file |
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| 13:46.28 | prologic | *shrugs* |
| 13:46.38 | prologic | topaz8, ahh thank you :) |
| 13:46.43 | japh | Anyone know why wine doesn't install on Unstable, claiming a conflict with libc6? |
| 13:46.45 | japh | libc6: Conflicts: wine (< 0.0.20021007-1) but 0.0.20020411-1 is to be installed |
| 13:47.01 | japh | Is this "Yet Another Package(tm)" I have to build from source? |
| 13:47.02 | prologic | wine currently is broken on unstable :| |
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| 13:47.20 | topaz8 | prologic, if so, make sure directory debian is in document root of your apache config |
| 13:47.24 | japh | Ok, I'll UTSL |
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| 13:47.58 | prologic | topaz8, hmm it is :) I only get that single error, I can actually update ok and install a package. |
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| 13:49.35 | gnupg | anyone know what's happend to gluck.debian.org? |
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| 13:50.39 | streuner | gnupg: related to /topic? |
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| 13:52.48 | baz | gnupg: it got rooted months ago, nobody's fixed it yet |
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| 13:53.14 | themusicgod1 | i have a noname(tm) NIC that uses a RTL8019, i've read elsewhere that the driver for this specific chip should be the ne2000 driver(is this true? i'm not certian). however when using modconf to install this driver i am prompted to enter irq and io numbers, specifically the io number in the form 0xNNN. how do i determine this / does linux use these so i shouldnt just poke around / what IS this number? its an ISA card:/ |
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| 13:53.41 | baz | themusicgod1: does it work if you just leave the prompts blank? |
| 13:53.46 | themusicgod1 | no |
| 13:53.52 | baz | themusicgod1: dang, that always worked for me |
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| 13:54.16 | baz | themusicgod1: what happens if you just modprobe ne2000 or rtl8019 manually? |
| 13:54.21 | themusicgod1 | hrm |
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| 13:54.26 | topaz8 | themusicgod1, yes, probably ne2k-pci |
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| 13:54.44 | themusicgod1 | cant locate modules |
| 13:55.12 | themusicgod1 | (rtl8039 is supported, but rtl8019 is not. i have another NIC working with a 8039 on that box) |
| 13:55.21 | topaz8 | themusicgod1, modprobe -l | grep ne2 |
| 13:55.48 | themusicgod1 | topaz8:no output |
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| 13:56.05 | topaz8 | themusicgod1, compile the module first |
| 13:56.38 | themusicgod1 | which module ( the ne2? ) |
| 13:56.45 | topaz8 | try ne2k-pci |
| 13:56.54 | themusicgod1 | its an isa card. but i could do that anyway |
| 13:57.04 | topaz8 | ah, ok. ne2k should do than |
| 13:57.05 | themusicgod1 | can't locate |
| 13:57.11 | themusicgod1 | can't locate |
| 13:57.12 | topaz8 | ne2 i mean |
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| 13:57.21 | themusicgod1 | can't locate |
| 13:57.26 | topaz8 | themusicgod1, compile the module first |
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| 13:58.10 | tomf | I've got a server running a (private) debian mirror which might have been compromised - either ways I wanted to reinstall the whole system. I don't want to download all the 15GB of packages though - is it safe if I use debmirror after the reinstallation with the -m option to assure the integrity of the packages? |
| 13:58.52 | themusicgod1 | compile it to object or to executable? |
| 13:59.16 | topaz8 | themusicgod1, make module modules_install |
| 13:59.19 | topaz8 | modules |
| 13:59.29 | topaz8 | depmod -a |
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| 14:00.23 | zwane | hi troubled |
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| 14:02.12 | FENIX | :)) |
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| 14:03.35 | jinnee | I want to use nfs root ,but I found that the kernel tried to mount nfsroot before ethernet card is initialised ,so it failed to mount it,can I add any parameters to boot prompt like sleep 2 seconds before the kernel tried to mount the nfs root? |
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| 14:04.02 | jinnee | I use nfsroot=<NFS-server-IP-number>:/path/on/server/to/nfs_root ip=<client-IP-number>::<gateway-IP-number>:<netmask>:<client-hostname>:eth0:off |
| 14:04.08 | topaz8 | jinnee, you recompiled kernel for root fs on nfs ? |
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| 14:06.31 | quaqo | Hello |
| 14:06.38 | Sebulba02 | 'morning |
| 14:06.55 | mage_ | ~morning |
| 14:06.56 | | Good morning! |
| 14:06.59 | jinnee | topaz8:no,but the kernel from debian DOES support nfs root,because the kernel is trying to mount nfs root ,but the kernel can not get nfsd port number,and it fails,I can mount the nfs root from another machine,so i think the nfs server is all right |
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| 14:08.13 | jinnee | topaz8:the kernel comes from woody for sparc |
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| 14:09.11 | topaz8 | jinnee, the nfs server is on another machine than the one you try to mount root on nfs. the latter requires must have been compiled with "root fs via nfs" |
| 14:09.26 | topaz8 | jinnee, afaik, the stock kernel does not have that setting |
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| 14:10.03 | J_P | hi all |
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| 14:11.32 | japh | Anyone hear of "BearOps" before? |
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| 14:11.54 | japh | Apparently based on Debian, but no source provided. We've called/emailed them, and they just say that their site needs mirrors before downloads are allowed. |
| 14:11.55 | japh | Wtf. |
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| 14:12.19 | japh | Their site has claimed to need mirrors for over 3 years, and "downloads have been suspended" for at least that long. |
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| 14:12.28 | jinnee | topaz8:but It's the kernel for sparc,I can see that it tries to mount nfsroot , |
| 14:12.38 | japh | That pretty-much violates the GPL, and yes, we've called and offered to pay for a version to be shipped on disk to us, via mail. |
| 14:12.42 | Coke | Has anyone got nvtv working with an nvidia FX 5200 card? |
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| 14:14.30 | sussudio | Coke: #nvidia |
| 14:14.53 | belracu | help on .......FreeRaDIus Server.......... |
| 14:15.10 | sussudio | belracu: does retardedness run in the family? |
| 14:15.25 | Penix | help on .....not being fscked in the head..... |
| 14:15.36 | RobotBebop | this is great, i'm actually enjoying using Linux and KDE |
| 14:15.42 | belracu | sussudio: well brother .. i an trying to configure this since morning |
| 14:15.58 | RobotBebop | just takes a little patience and persistance |
| 14:16.01 | belracu | have compiled and insatlles |
| 14:16.08 | Penix | just answered the retard question I think |
| 14:16.13 | japh | hahahaah |
| 14:16.15 | belracu | but need to configure to PAP and CHAP |
| 14:16.28 | sussudio | !fuck belracu |
| 14:16.36 | belracu | hehehe |
| 14:16.47 | japh | belracu: What are you compiling? Just use packages. |
| 14:17.12 | belracu | japh: you meen debs |
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| 14:17.17 | rich_ | Hi |
| 14:17.17 | japh | Correct |
| 14:17.26 | Penix | Fi |
| 14:17.26 | belracu | well this is for a client |
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| 14:17.36 | japh | So make them a .deb |
| 14:17.40 | belracu | he can use Redhat i think or he may use .. slack ? |
| 14:17.47 | belracu | not sure if he usees Deb |
| 14:17.52 | japh | What exactly are you doing? |
| 14:18.07 | belracu | i know life with deps is cool |
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| 14:18.24 | belracu | i need to setup Freeradius for chap and pap clinet |
| 14:18.41 | belracu | and not necessory that they have to be database users |
| 14:18.48 | RobotBebop | nice bot, has a !fuck command and everything. |
| 14:18.53 | RobotBebop | is there a !punch command ? |
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| 14:19.02 | petemc | !punch RobotBebop |
| 14:19.03 | sussudio | !punch RobotBebop |
| 14:19.09 | petemc | *bam* |
| 14:19.12 | Penix | !srt RobotBebop |
| 14:19.12 | japh | hahah |
| 14:19.23 | sussudio | !penixstrike RobotBebop |
| 14:19.25 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 14:19.26 | petemc | !castrate sussudio |
| 14:19.34 | caphuso | take it to #debian-bots |
| 14:19.51 | Penix | who the hell screwed up dpkg's penixstrike |
| 14:19.55 | RobotBebop | hahah that's sweet |
| 14:20.23 | sussudio | Penix: lorez |
| 14:20.48 | Penix | whoever that is, they're a dirty bitch |
| 14:21.18 | Penix | ah. that lorez |
| 14:21.22 | Penix | no wonder |
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| 14:24.39 | navi^ | hi all. i wish to know if theres a debian package for a domain control panel? something for a small-time web hosting service |
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| 14:24.58 | cobaltsixty | webmin? |
| 14:25.14 | navi^ | no no... |
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| 14:25.35 | navi^ | not to administer box, but to administer virtual domains. |
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| 14:25.58 | navi^ | for me to give to my clients, who hooks up at my mail, mysql, and apache server |
| 14:26.30 | navi^ | is there a debian domain-hosting how-to somewhere? |
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| 14:26.53 | Gathond | navi^: how is administring virtual domain (apache,mysql,mail) not administring the box ? |
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| 14:27.20 | Penix | because it's the clients that need to do the administering |
| 14:27.26 | rich_ | In bash how can I pipe stderr to a command? |
| 14:27.26 | Penix | as if you'd give them webmin access |
| 14:27.26 | navi^ | Gathond: virtual domains i say... |
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| 14:27.35 | tarzeau | rich_: 2| ? |
| 14:27.41 | rich_ | tarzeau thanks |
| 14:27.48 | tarzeau | rich_: i'm not sure |
| 14:27.53 | topaz8 | Gathond, apache, smtp (postfix) is pretty much just editing one file |
| 14:28.01 | navi^ | <Penix> as if you'd give them webmin access << correct.. so im looking for alternatives.. not a webmin.. come on.. it almost have everything.. |
| 14:28.02 | topaz8 | Gathond, (each) |
| 14:28.07 | ralf | Hi |
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| 14:28.37 | navi^ | i need something like "small time domain-hosting how-to" guide |
| 14:28.37 | navi^ | ... |
| 14:28.38 | ralf | I just visited the #freebsd channel |
| 14:28.46 | topaz8 | Gathond, but you need additional privs to for example create dirs |
| 14:29.00 | navi^ | and most likely someone that will point out a package/set of package to get something like that going.. |
| 14:29.07 | ralf | They say that FreeBSD is better than Linux |
| 14:29.27 | asg | ralf: did they give evidence or just say that? |
| 14:29.32 | gnupg | !oswar |
| 14:29.32 | dpkg | i guess oswar is knoppix is the best debian distro |
| 14:29.48 | Penix | ralf: go away, troll |
| 14:29.51 | c | !oswar |
| 14:29.53 | dpkg | it has been said that oswar is knoppix is the best debian distro |
| 14:29.53 | topaz8 | ~better |
| 14:29.55 | | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking \"is foo better than bar?\" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by \"better\". |
| 14:29.55 | ralf | uh? |
| 14:30.17 | c | !oswar |
| 14:30.17 | dpkg | i heard oswar is knoppix is the best debian distro |
| 14:30.17 | c | hahhaha |
| 14:30.17 | c | hahhah |
| 14:30.18 | c | what a crappy perl bot |
| 14:30.23 | asg | !start an os war |
| 14:30.24 | dpkg | VMS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 14:30.37 | asg | c: the bot is not crappy, just the factoids |
| 14:30.49 | ralf | what did you think about FreeBDS? |
| 14:30.52 | Penix | navi^: have you tried the sourceforge or freshmeat software maps? might be able to find something there. doesn't really matter if there's no packages though, since it's just be a bunch of php scripts with sql databases etc. |
| 14:31.01 | ralf | I have to reinstall my os |
| 14:31.06 | Penix | s/it's/it'd/ |
| 14:31.27 | asg | ralf: last time I checked, FreeBSD didn't support SMP so I haven't used it since |
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| 14:31.38 | ralf | realy? |
| 14:31.47 | ralf | FreeBSD didn' SMP? |
| 14:31.51 | Penix | so you used 3.0 or something? ;P |
| 14:31.54 | asg | ralf: it might now though *shrug* |
| 14:32.08 | asg | Penix: heh, it was some time ago (when my main desktop was a P200) |
| 14:32.28 | Penix | it has smp support, just not exactly as mature etc. as things like Linux |
| 14:32.46 | ralf | I'm downloading the debian cd1 |
| 14:33.08 | ralf | 36%, 27 hours remaining... |
| 14:33.26 | sussudio | ~tell ralf about netinstall |
| 14:33.34 | simonrvn | might as well sleep through that ;) |
| 14:33.47 | PaPyrana | Why can I access via /mnt my unmounted partitions? |
| 14:33.51 | ralf | man netinstall? |
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| 14:34.52 | asg | PaPyrana: because /mnt is just a directory, nothing special |
| 14:35.05 | Penix | lunix and freebsd is teh suck!!!!!! mAcOS is real menn! System 7 Finder kikcs konqoror ass!!! |
| 14:35.22 | ralf | ? |
| 14:35.27 | ralf | ? |
| 14:35.36 | mage_ | ~hit Penix |
| 14:35.39 | | ACTION slaps Penix. |
| 14:35.55 | ralf | I never used MacOS |
| 14:36.08 | Penix | because you're a lunix weenie! |
| 14:36.14 | sussudio | i tried it once to be able to access a fucking mac printer. it sucked. |
| 14:36.14 | PaPyrana | asg: ok, /mnt is a dir but normally when my /etc/fstab is correct I shouldn't be able to see the umounted partitions, isn't it? |
| 14:36.58 | ralf | MacOS is unix based? |
| 14:37.06 | Penix | ralf: 10 is |
| 14:37.35 | ralf | 9 no? |
| 14:37.38 | asg | PaPyrana: can you define what exactly you mean by 'see unmounted partitions'? |
| 14:37.42 | Penix | 9 and lower aren't |
| 14:37.45 | rich_ | macos is open source? |
| 14:37.51 | DMJC | hell no |
| 14:37.54 | Penix | rich_: apple.com/macsx |
| 14:37.54 | hackeron | anyone knows an alternative to the 'last' command that shows user loging and logout times while NOT trancating (cutting) username to 8 characters and trancating IP address?? (auth.log doesn't show logout times) |
| 14:37.58 | Ikarus_ | Penix: Lunix is not exactly for weenies seeing that it runs on a C64/128 |
| 14:38.00 | Penix | macosx rather |
| 14:38.01 | DMJC | well... the kernel is |
| 14:38.02 | gnupg | but darwin is afaik |
| 14:38.04 | DMJC | the gui isn't |
| 14:38.12 | asg | hackeron: /var/log/auth.log and some perl code |
| 14:38.14 | sussudio | "Midget Free Software Download" < bastards |
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| 14:38.19 | ralf | in macosx I have /dev /proc, bash etc. etc.? |
| 14:38.20 | Penix | Ikarus_: bah! lunix is teh sucKKK! |
| 14:38.22 | DMJC | if the gui was OSS noone would be running gnome or kde |
| 14:38.23 | rich_ | ok let me put it this way, is there anything good at all about macos? |
| 14:38.25 | inglan | hi |
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| 14:38.27 | PaPyrana | asg: f.e. / /usr /home |
| 14:38.30 | petemc | hackeron: use a bigger terminal, last is fine here |
| 14:38.33 | Zap-W | i put my 20GB Matrox 5400rpm HD inside a plastic mini food container |
| 14:38.37 | Zap-W | does anyone know if it's safe? |
| 14:38.42 | scdenaxa | O_o |
| 14:38.45 | asg | PaPyrana: those directories will still exist, there will just be nothing in them (unless they are mounted) |
| 14:38.46 | Ikarus_ | DMJC: not true, I find the MacOS X GUI terrible for programming use |
| 14:38.56 | inglan | could anyone lead me to an debian channel (or serv+channel) in french ? |
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| 14:39.05 | scdenaxa | Zap-W should be :x |
| 14:39.05 | Penix | ~+french |
| 14:39.06 | | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:39.08 | asg | !tell inglan about french |
| 14:39.19 | inglan | tks |
| 14:39.27 | sussudio | Zap-W: doesn't it fit nicely up your backside? |
| 14:39.28 | Zap-W | scdenaxa : yea, it's just for silenting the noise.. |
| 14:39.36 | petemc | haha |
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| 14:39.48 | Penix | of course not. that's what 1.5" disks are for |
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| 14:39.49 | Zap-W | sussudio : what you mean |
| 14:39.56 | sussudio | ... |
| 14:39.57 | Web52|Doochy | How to i se what my netcard is set to.. i mean how to se if its set to 10mbit ore 100mbit |
| 14:40.14 | asg | Web52|Doochy: mii-tool |
| 14:40.18 | PaPyrana | asg: and that is just the problem; everything is there; so I think something is wrong in my fstab |
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| 14:40.22 | petemc | Web52|Doochy: ethtool, or look at soom mii tools of your card supports ot |
| 14:40.28 | Zap-W | Web52|Doochy : or mii-diag |
| 14:40.50 | asg | PaPyrana: why? /etc/fstab defines the partitions and mountpoints, /etc/mtab shows what *is* currently mounted |
| 14:40.56 | petemc | man, i cant type |
| 14:41.00 | Ikarus_ | Zap-W: using a normal plastic box is a bad idea (static), using a closed one is even worse (cooling) |
| 14:41.02 | Web52|Doochy | petemc: i did install ethtool now what? |
| 14:41.10 | petemc | Web52|Doochy: ethtool eth0 |
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| 14:41.27 | Penix | plastic contains static? |
| 14:41.42 | asg | Penix: plastic is basically gasoline in a solid state |
| 14:41.44 | Web52|Doochy | petemc |
| 14:41.44 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.45 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:41.53 | Web52|Doochy | how to i set it to Full Duplex |
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| 14:42.17 | petemc | Web52|Doochy: depends on the card, sometimes the mii-tools can do that |
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| 14:42.28 | Web52|Doochy | petemc |
| 14:42.28 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.28 | Web52|Doochy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.38 | hackeron | petemc: no matter how big the terminal is, it truncates username to 8 characters, add a user that has 9 characters, log in with it and check last, it will truncate it to first 8 characters |
| 14:42.42 | sussudio | Web52|Douche: stupid flooding you idiot |
| 14:42.46 | PaPyrana | asg: my problem is: I want to change /etc/fstab so only the partitions where I work on are mounted |
| 14:42.46 | Penix | heh |
| 14:42.54 | asg | Web52|Doochy: try mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 14:43.03 | hackeron | asg: which perl code |
| 14:43.04 | Penix | excellent pun |
| 14:43.08 | The_Vulture | PaPyrana: so man 5 fstab and go for it.. |
| 14:43.12 | Web52|Doochy | E: Couldn't find package mii-tool |
| 14:43.14 | Web52|Doochy | asg |
| 14:43.19 | ralf | What kernel MacOS X did use? |
| 14:43.23 | Penix | ralf: Mach |
| 14:43.23 | rich_ | Thanks everyone |
| 14:43.24 | asg | PaPyrana: then put noauto as an option to the partitions you don't want automounted |
| 14:43.33 | sussudio | you know there's probably a good reason for it to be half duplex. |
| 14:43.34 | Kraig | Penix: just change the last column, and put 0 if you don't want to load it automatically |
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| 14:43.47 | asg | !+find mii-tool |
| 14:43.49 | mage_ | ~tell Web52|Doochy about lame |
| 14:43.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mii-tool' (1 shown): (/sbin/mii-tool) in net/net-tools. |
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| 14:44.01 | ralf | Mach isn't the FreeBSD kernel? |
| 14:44.06 | Penix | ralf: no |
| 14:44.11 | Web52|Doochy | asg: hm? |
| 14:44.11 | sussudio | ~hurd ralf |
| 14:44.14 | | ACTION beats ralf over the head with a microkernel |
| 14:44.14 | c-101 | Hi |
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| 14:44.17 | asg | hackeron: the perl code you create to parse the relevant entries in /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:44.20 | Penix | ralf: it was used in nextstep etc. |
| 14:44.25 | kingsley | I'd appreciate it if anyone here lets me know if they recognize the following bug: About two weeks ago, nightly cron runs of "updatedb" stopped for no apparent reason. Last night, the normally reliable system uncharacteristically crashed, and its clock was (also uncharacteristically) left hours behind after automatically rebooting. The modem was also left in a hung state. I doubt the crash was a power outage, because a nearby digital alarm clock |
| 14:44.25 | kingsley | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.43 | hackeron | asg: and what will the perl code do? |
| 14:44.50 | Web52|Doochy | asg: on cache search it only finds: mii-diag - A little tool to manipulate network cards |
| 14:44.55 | hackeron | asg: there's no information about logouts, where will perl get the information from? |
| 14:44.58 | asg | hackeron: pull out whatever information you find interesting |
| 14:45.11 | asg | Web52|Doochy: try that then |
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| 14:45.32 | Zap-W | Ikarus_ : i know it's bad for cooling , but it seems to be at an ok temperature |
| 14:45.36 | hackeron | asg: I can do that without perl, I need the logout times which is NOT in auth.log |
| 14:45.37 | Web52|Doochy | asg: now mii-diag is installed then? |
| 14:45.46 | asg | hackeron: the 'session closed for user blah' bit |
| 14:46.11 | PaPyrana | asg: allthough my fstab has "noauto,users,exec" on the (not primary) partitions I can see the content in /mnt why? |
| 14:46.19 | asg | hackeron: those are logout times (alternately, you could find out the binary format of the wtmp file in /var/log/ and parse that) |
| 14:46.26 | petemc | Web52|Doochy: try reading some docs, /usr/share/doc.package name |
| 14:46.34 | petemc | ffs |
| 14:46.47 | nvz | I spent most of last night reading the source code to linux 1.0.0, it was very interesting.. I especially liked ~/linux/kernel/irq.c where Linus mentioned that the IBM designers should be shot.. I never knew kernel source was so entertaining |
| 14:46.48 | asg | PaPyrana: paste your /etc/fstab in #flood |
| 14:46.53 | topaz8 | PaPyrana, does df show them too ? |
| 14:46.53 | Web52|Doochy | asg: mii-diag -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 14:46.54 | hackeron | last shows lines like: potpocke pts/4 Fri Jan 2 17:43 - 17:43 (00:00) 192.168.0.4 ......... the REAL username is potpockey, not potpocke : so last cuts it down, is there any way to fix that? |
| 14:46.58 | Web52|Doochy | asg: ? |
| 14:47.04 | Zap-W | Ikarus_ : so i should put it in an antistatic baggie ? |
| 14:47.08 | Penix | 0.1 is even better |
| 14:47.18 | asg | Web52|Doochy: read the manpage for mii-diag (see if it supports that syntax) |
| 14:47.30 | nvz | Penix: I am going to have to check that out |
| 14:48.15 | asg | nvz: iirc, there is a fortune-cookie file with interesting quotes from the kernel source |
| 14:48.29 | PaPyrana | asg: when I run mount I get the correct mounted partitio |
| 14:48.59 | topaz8 | PaPyrana, unmount your partition then, so you won't see the contents anymore |
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| 14:50.15 | Bascule | can someone tell me what the gcc 64bit compiler for sparc is called? egcs64 seems to have dissapeared (testing) |
| 14:50.49 | Switched | say, is there a meta-package for ALSA in Sid? |
| 14:51.18 | looksaus | does anyone know the name to use in a console keymap for an eactue ("e" with a rising accent, "?")? |
| 14:51.35 | PaPyrana | asg: how do I do that (paste your /etc/fstab in #flood)? |
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| 14:52.20 | asg | PaPyrana: /exec cat /etc/fstab (while in #flood) |
| 14:52.21 | PaPyrana | topaz8: no, df doesn't show unmounted partitions |
| 14:52.21 | Switched | PaPyrana, in #flood, type /exec -o cat /etc/fstab |
| 14:52.24 | sussudio | Bascule: #sparc |
| 14:52.35 | sussudio | ~tell Bascule about search |
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| 14:52.58 | topaz8 | PaPyrana, meaning: is the partition which you do not expect to see mounted ? |
| 14:53.06 | deepmoon | why doesnt my */, key work in 2.6 or is the error somewhere else? |
| 14:53.08 | Bascule | sussudio: cheers on both counts. |
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| 14:53.51 | Penix | deepmoon: dunno wtf */ is, but I've got keys that doesn't work in 2.6. I assume it's due to the input layer crap |
| 14:54.03 | Penix | all the changes to it... |
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| 14:54.21 | nvz | asg: /exec -out, would possibly be more useful |
| 14:54.22 | Penix | s/doesn't/don't/ |
| 14:54.23 | ralf | why dont show to us your /etc/fstab? |
| 14:54.34 | asg | nvz: yeah |
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| 14:54.53 | PaPyrana | # /etc/fstab: filesystem table. |
| 14:54.53 | PaPyrana | # flsystem mountpoint type options dump mount |
| 14:54.53 | PaPyrana | # device directory mount usage no=0 order |
| 14:54.53 | PaPyrana | # yes=1 1=root |
| 14:54.53 | PaPyrana | # |
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| 14:54.55 | deepmoon | Penix, I got a key looks like this (more or less) [*,] and it doesnt work i X and in console it shifts to the last console I used |
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| 14:54.57 | asg | doh! |
| 14:54.59 | Kraig | lol |
| 14:55.00 | PaPyrana | /dev/fd0 /floppy auto noauto,users,showexec,umask=022 0 0 |
| 14:55.02 | PaPyrana | /dev/cdrom /cdrom auto noauto,users,noexec,ro 0 0 |
| 14:55.04 | PaPyrana | /dev/sdb1 / ext2 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 1 |
| 14:55.06 | PaPyrana | /dev/sdb2 /mnt/debian ext2 defaults,errors=remount-ro 1 2 |
| 14:55.06 | asg | PaPyrana: in #flood ffs! |
| 14:55.08 | PaPyrana | /dev/sdb4 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 14:55.10 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda1 /mnt/redhat5.0 ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.10 | Penix | ffs |
| 14:55.12 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda5 /mnt/redhat5.0/usr ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.14 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda6 /mnt/redhat5.0/usr/local ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.18 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda7 /mnt/redhat5.0/usr/src ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.20 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda8 /mnt/redhat5.0/home ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.22 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda9 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 14:55.24 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda10 /mnt/redhat5.0/var ext2 noauto,users,exec 1 2 |
| 14:55.26 | PaPyrana | /dev/sda11 /mnt/redhat5.0/tmp ext2 noauto,users,exec 0 2 |
| 14:55.28 | PaPyrana | sorry people.... |
| 14:55.44 | PaPyrana | asg: that was my question: what is #flood? |
| 14:55.51 | uws | PaPyrana: /join #flood |
| 14:55.55 | uws | PaPyrana: paste over there |
| 14:55.56 | asg | PaPyrana: a channel for pasting obscene amounts of information |
| 14:56.00 | Penix | PaPyrana: or /join #shell |
| 14:56.05 | treestone | PaPyrana: You're in #debian, how can you not know what #flood is?? |
| 14:56.17 | PaPyrana | ok, thanks |
| 14:56.18 | asg | PaPyrana: nm now, given the data above. What is the problem |
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| 14:57.51 | PaPyrana | asg: I can list the content of /mnt/redhat5.0 (an old system) but I is unmounted! |
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| 14:58.24 | xel | hey, I have a little problem. When my kernel boots it always says that cannot load the af_packet module. I tried to start it on boot or add it as module but.. it always says that cannot load af_packet module. I'm on kernel 2.6.0 |
| 14:58.41 | Penix | xel: do you actually need it? |
| 14:58.41 | topaz8 | PaPyrana, you've copied into /mnt/redhad when it was not mounted |
| 14:58.42 | PaPyrana | treestone: do you know everything ;-) |
| 14:58.49 | asg | PaPyrana: there is likely something in /mnt/redhat5.0 then (try this: touch /mnt/redhat5.0/testfile ; mount /mnt/redhat5.0 ; see if testfile exists there) |
| 14:59.05 | xel | Penix: well.. not but I don't want see the line: Cannot load module :-) |
| 14:59.12 | xukun | hi all |
| 14:59.20 | treestone | PaPyrana: Well, considering that you did /join #debian, it's kind of strange that #flood didn't click for you :-) |
| 14:59.21 | tarzeau | hi Penix happy new year |
| 14:59.21 | topaz8 | PaPyrana, now, when not mounted, you see the files on disk which would otherwise be your mountpoint |
| 14:59.27 | tarzeau | Penix: www.linuks.mine.nu/hny/xmas.jpg |
| 14:59.28 | PaPyrana | asg: ok |
| 14:59.47 | tarzeau | helix, bob2 there? |
| 15:00.02 | asg | tarzeau: haven't seen em |
| 15:00.16 | tarzeau | asg: maybe they're recharging batteries |
| 15:00.19 | tarzeau | heh :) |
| 15:00.28 | asg | tarzeau: I expect so :) |
| 15:00.30 | xukun | I,m using machine1 and connected to machine2 using ssh. but I want to install a software at machine2 to machine1. how can I do this? |
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| 15:00.47 | tarzeau | xukun: using ssh |
| 15:00.53 | xukun | tarzeau, yes |
| 15:01.12 | tarzeau | xukun: what's the problem? |
| 15:01.24 | deepmoon | xukun, cant ya just copy it |
| 15:01.37 | Kraig | xukun: rcp |
| 15:01.38 | xukun | how? |
| 15:01.44 | tarzeau | Kraig: scp you mean |
| 15:02.00 | asg | Web52|Doochy: please don't pm (/msg dpkg guidelines) Ask in channel and benefit from peer review |
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| 15:02.04 | tarzeau | xukun: or make nfs shares (if it's not over the internet) |
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| 15:02.11 | efti | hi all |
| 15:02.15 | tarzeau | hi efti |
| 15:02.20 | treestone | machine1> scp user@machine2:/path/file /destination/file |
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| 15:02.31 | rsff | \joing #html |
| 15:02.32 | Kraig | tarzeau: sorry, jejeje, you're right |
| 15:02.33 | rsff | err |
| 15:02.35 | rsff | oops |
| 15:02.39 | rsff | \join #html |
| 15:02.43 | rsff | err again. |
| 15:02.44 | tarzeau | rsff: it's / |
| 15:02.48 | rsff | he he |
| 15:02.59 | xel | Penix: Any ideas? |
| 15:03.41 | efti | I'm trying to install the experimental version of xlibs and it depends on a number of libraries. However the xlibs package also contains files that are also in the packages it depends on... (does this make sense?) |
| 15:04.05 | Penix | here's an idea. don't bother frigging around with a driver you have no need for just because you don't want to see certain boot messages |
| 15:04.09 | xukun | tarzeau, can u tell me how to do the nfs shares? |
| 15:04.19 | efti | so I guess I'd need to tell dpkg to install the packages even if it means overwriting files in other packages. How do I do that? |
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| 15:04.50 | sussudio | efti: you're an idiot messing with experimental who doesn't have the tiniest clue how do to man dpkg. |
| 15:04.51 | tarzeau | xukun: www.linuks.mine.nu/faq/ |
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| 15:04.55 | tarzeau | xukun: it's somewhere there |
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| 15:05.09 | tarzeau | xukun: there might be something at www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ too |
| 15:05.26 | xukun | tarzeau, thanks I will try that |
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| 15:06.11 | gnupg | i'm just trying to get aty128fb with kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4, i put the module into the initrd kernel uses and added append="video="aty128fb:1024x768-16@70" to lilo.conf (reran lilo after this), but it actually didn't work, any ideas? |
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| 15:06.28 | sussudio | gnupg: aty? |
| 15:06.30 | efti | sussudio: thanks for that. I've read the man page and I did see the 'overwrite' and 'overwrite-dir' options. But how do I pass these to dpkg from apt-get? |
| 15:06.54 | sussudio | efti: dpkg -i fucking.deb --force-overwrite (like in the examples) |
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| 15:07.13 | DeepMoon | gnupg: you have to write the code not the resolution |
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| 15:07.35 | Penix | gnupg: why isn't generic vga fb good enough? |
| 15:07.41 | ralf | che kernel usa la Debian 3.0r2? |
| 15:07.47 | ralf | oops... |
| 15:07.52 | PaPyrana | everybody tnx: the solution of my problem => I have a complete copy in /mnt of all the unmounted /mnt partitions and that is the reason why I saw the content there |
| 15:08.09 | asg | PaPyrana: :) |
| 15:08.11 | ralf | what kernel has Debian 3.0r2? |
| 15:08.16 | sussudio | ralf: yes. |
| 15:08.16 | Penix | ralf: 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 15:08.18 | efti | sussudio: so I can only do this if I run dpkg directly? thanks, that's what I needed to know. |
| 15:08.19 | DeepMoon | Penix: I use the fb to watch movie so he might wanna do the same I guess |
| 15:08.19 | asg | ralf: 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 15:08.37 | Penix | DeepMoon: that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said |
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| 15:08.58 | ralf | cat /proc/mounts |
| 15:09.01 | DeepMoon | Penix: It might do |
| 15:09.06 | Penix | DeepMoon: no. it doesn't |
| 15:09.14 | OwO | I have a 20 gig hd that has two partitions on it. One PRIMARY and bootable is 15 gig. It has all of Debian loaded on it. The other is 5 gig, is EXT3 and is mounted but has NOTHING on it other than a Lost+Found directory. Can I umount that 5 gig partition, run fdisk on it, delete the 5 gig partion and split it into TWO other partitions and make the EXT2 ? Or will I screw up my main 15 gig partition doing this ? |
| 15:09.22 | Penix | I asked why vga fb wasn't good enough. not what he wants to do with whatever fb driver |
| 15:09.29 | gnupg | DeepMoon - according to the documentation of aty128fb module (see <kernelsourcetree>/Documentation/fb/aty128fb.txt) i should it write thw way i did. |
| 15:09.33 | PaPyrana | so asg, you give me a very simple solution: touch /mnt/redhat5.0/testfile => I saw the file; after mount /mnt/redhat5.0 I didn't see it anymore... |
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| 15:09.51 | mcb | hello |
| 15:09.57 | asg | PaPyrana: yep, I suspected as much as did topaz8 |
| 15:09.59 | treestone | OwO: You can delete it with fdisk just fine, without screwing your main partition. |
| 15:10.03 | DeepMoon | Penix: cus the vga fb maby not be accelerated |
| 15:10.28 | gnupg | Penix - normal vga has no accel. |
| 15:10.32 | DeepMoon | gnupg: in mine it says codes.. =) |
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| 15:10.35 | treestone | OwO: And then add a couple of new partitions afterwards. Just don't accidentally delete the main partition.. |
| 15:10.45 | Penix | I've watched movies with vga fb |
| 15:10.48 | OwO | :) nope. |
| 15:10.49 | PaPyrana | asg: now I am a litlle bit afraid => should I remove /mnt/redhat5.0 when unmounted? |
| 15:10.52 | prophecy | No more apt? |
| 15:11.06 | gnupg | DeepMoon - yes, if you use generic vgafb. |
| 15:11.06 | ralf | hehe |
| 15:11.12 | nvz | oh and that accellerated FB makes all the difference ... |
| 15:11.13 | topaz8 | asg, thanks for noticing :) |
| 15:11.14 | asg | PaPyrana: the contents, not the directory as that is the mountpoint for the partitions |
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| 15:11.17 | nvz | ... when watching mplayer with -vo aa |
| 15:11.19 | asg | topaz8: :) |
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| 15:11.32 | OwO | treestone then I guess the first thing to do is edit /etc/fstab |
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| 15:11.36 | Penix | -vo fbdev has always run fine for me with vga |
| 15:11.38 | ralf | I deleted my first partition because it is hda1, and it was hda2 |
| 15:11.45 | PaPyrana | asg: ok |
| 15:11.52 | DeepMoon | If I put out an movie in aa my gal would probably kill me |
| 15:11.54 | treestone | OwO: Not necessarily the first thing, just do it before you reboot or remount.. |
| 15:12.08 | OwO | Also /etc/mtab |
| 15:12.13 | treestone | OwO: No. |
| 15:12.29 | themusicgod1 | is there a specific command to turn using dns on? |
| 15:12.29 | OwO | or is /etc/mtab written at boot time ? |
| 15:12.46 | treestone | OwO: /etc/mtab is maintained by the system itself. Don't touch it. |
| 15:12.48 | Penix | themusicgod1: man resolv.conf |
| 15:12.58 | PaPyrana | asg: should the mountpoints to be rebuild automatic during reboot? |
| 15:12.58 | themusicgod1 | Penix: thanx |
| 15:13.02 | OwO | Ah.. its a boottime file from /proc |
| 15:13.05 | nvz | I actually would like to try again to get my framebuffer going, I have a big old NEC MultiSync 6FG that shakes really bad at times when its in screen modes below 1024x768, and I often prefer my console, but its hard to see sometimes when its shaking wildly |
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| 15:13.49 | Penix | also goes extremely blurry after a while now. time for a new one |
| 15:14.01 | Covener | Nothing beats highres AA porn -- it's almost subliminal |
| 15:14.01 | treestone | OwO: One more thing: Unlike DOS fdisk it's perfectly fine to make all your partitions 'primary', no need for that extended stuff (unless you want more than four partitions) |
| 15:14.03 | DeepMoon | nvz: I can only use fbdev directfb with my matrox now cuz the backscaler isnt supported in 2.6 |
| 15:14.07 | asg | PaPyrana: no, they are just directories. If you primary /mnt/redhat5.0/ has empty /usr /home directories, the other mounts will mount there |
| 15:14.29 | asg | Penix: that's easily solved if you blink from time to time |
| 15:14.30 | nvz | DeepMoon: I got a shitty S3 Trio card |
| 15:14.36 | PaPyrana | asg: ok |
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| 15:14.39 | Penix | heh |
| 15:14.39 | themusicgod1 | woohoo dns is working. |
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| 15:15.01 | nvz | my monitor works well in 1024x768 or 1152x864, and I got it for free, the company that owned it was pitching it |
| 15:15.06 | themusicgod1 | thanks, once again, penix |
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| 15:15.46 | treestone | nvz: Funny, I have an old Sony that has the same symptoms. |
| 15:15.51 | DeepMoon | nvz: I go myself a G550 with two outputs so I have to use the console to see a movie on the second head... and thats now accelerated without the directfb_mga hmm I love that mga_dev output... recomend it |
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| 15:16.46 | Telefonman | Hi all! |
| 15:17.00 | gnupg | rehi |
| 15:17.03 | Schoepfer | what packages/versions do i need to use alsa with 2.6.0 |
| 15:17.11 | mcb | i want to change my keymap. i have done this with: dpkg-reconfigure console-data but it's still the old keymap |
| 15:17.19 | mcb | what do i have to do? |
| 15:17.19 | nvz | DeepMoon: yeah well this was a stripped, beaten and mentally abused Intel PIIX4 Pentium 200 MMX system I bought for $5 off a local dial-up ISP office that closed down.. I bought a few things for it, but I am not going to go all-out |
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| 15:21.42 | gnupg | Schoepfer - kernel 2.6 has intergrated alsa. |
| 15:21.42 | hackeron | where can I find the source code of the /bin/last utility? |
| 15:21.44 | Schoepfer | gnupg: yea, i mean the userland |
| 15:21.44 | DeepMoon | nvz: I see.. kinda not worth it |
| 15:21.44 | gnupg | you just need to install alsa-utils (or something like this) |
| 15:21.44 | Telefonman | Could someone tell me which package on the dbian installation cd contains the file /etc/init.d/rc, please? |
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| 15:21.44 | sussudio | nvz: if it's a PIIX4 it's either a pentium 2 and not a pentium 1 or it's a PIIX2 chipset |
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| 15:21.46 | asg | !+find /etc/init.d/rc |
| 15:21.46 | Schoepfer | gnupg: did so, alsaconf conplains it cant find pci sound cards |
| 15:21.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/etc/init.d/rc' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/debian-installer-demo/etc/init.d/rcS) in devel/debian-installer-demo. |
| 15:21.46 | Telefonman | !+find /etc/init.d/rc |
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| 15:21.47 | Web52|Doochy | asg: mii-diag -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 - just fucked the whole think |
| 15:21.47 | nvz | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430TX - 82439TX MTXC (rev 01) |
| 15:21.47 | Web52|Doochy | i lost it |
| 15:21.47 | Web52|Doochy | :(( |
| 15:21.47 | asg | Telefonman: also, see dpkg -S |
| 15:21.47 | nvz | opps wrong one |
| 15:21.47 | Penix | Schoepfer: alsa-base maybe |
| 15:21.47 | nvz | 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01) |
| 15:21.47 | DeepMoon | so anyone tried Diablo 2 with winex, anyone get a good speed with 3d acceleration |
| 15:21.47 | nvz | and the chip I put in here was out of the other one I bought a VIA82C* and its a Socket 7 Pentium MMX |
| 15:21.47 | Schoepfer | Penix: alsa base is insalled, i have the version from sarge |
| 15:21.47 | asg | Web52|Doochy: hmmm, did the manpage indicate that that syntax was correct? |
| 15:21.47 | Telefonman | asg: thanks, I will try it... |
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| 15:21.47 | asg | Telefonman: yw |
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| 15:21.47 | Web52|Doochy | asg: i looked at mii-tool and yes |
| 15:21.47 | DeepMoon | /msg deepmoon asdf |
| 15:21.47 | DeepMoon | hmm |
| 15:21.47 | asg | Web52|Doochy: did you use mii-tool -A ... instead of mii-diag? |
| 15:21.48 | DeepMoon | kinda didnt work |
| 15:22.02 | Web52|Doochy | asg: yes |
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| 15:22.19 | DeepMoon | actually using kopete for this session. slow but ok, but doesnt support much |
| 15:22.44 | asg | Web52|Doochy: ah, maybe try mii-tool -F .. instead (to force the link) |
| 15:23.02 | Web52|Doochy | asg: hehe the "server" went down |
| 15:23.08 | Web52|Doochy | and i dont got fysiskel access to it |
| 15:23.11 | Web52|Doochy | so :/ |
| 15:23.44 | Web52|Doochy | asg: hmmm if it doesnt work mii-tool ... this think u past why doesnt it go back to normel again? |
| 15:23.46 | bancus | fysiskel? |
| 15:23.50 | bancus | ~fysiskel |
| 15:23.51 | sussudio | Web52|Douche: so not fyebert? |
| 15:24.11 | bancus | no, he doesn't have fysiskel |
| 15:24.16 | bancus | which means he has fyebert |
| 15:24.21 | Web52|Doochy | !? |
| 15:24.29 | Web52|Doochy | i only got network access to it |
| 15:24.33 | asg | Web52|Doochy: it probably worked, just not in the way you were expecting. I didn't know you were doing this on an offsite machine (I would never have suggested such a change had I known) |
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| 15:24.49 | Web52|Doochy | asg: BAAH |
| 15:24.56 | bancus | OH |
| 15:24.58 | bancus | physical |
| 15:25.03 | Web52|Doochy | asg: well if it worked why doesnt it get on again? |
| 15:25.11 | bancus | I thought it was a weird acronym or something |
| 15:25.19 | Web52|Doochy | ye sry for my eng |
| 15:25.22 | asg | Web52|Doochy: because the autoneg failed I expect |
| 15:25.53 | Web52|Doochy | asg: i hope the network card didnt burn ;/ |
| 15:25.57 | bancus | meh, english sucks |
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| 15:26.11 | DeepMoon | where are everybody from? |
| 15:26.18 | asg | Web52|Doochy: no, your card should be fine. |
| 15:26.23 | Web52|Doochy | asg: ok |
| 15:26.49 | Web52|Doochy | damnit :/ |
| 15:26.49 | xan|aw | ehm, i'm having a little problems with apt-get here, anyone that can help me with that? :/ |
| 15:26.51 | Penix | A/S/L all!!! any1 want to cyber?!? |
| 15:27.05 | prophecy | ... |
| 15:27.07 | xan|aw | Setting up libapache-mod-perl (1.29.0.1-3) ... |
| 15:27.08 | xan|aw | Error: mod_accounting.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 15:27.08 | xan|aw | Error: the above error list does not permit a safe use of modules-config. |
| 15:27.10 | bancus | ... |
| 15:27.10 | asg | Penix: 32/too tired/couch |
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| 15:27.25 | Penix | asg: you notebook whore you |
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| 15:27.38 | asg | Penix: yeah, the batteries keep my knob warm though |
| 15:27.39 | bbc | I want to create a server (x86) with diskless or something Like that , for another workstations that they could boot , and use linux from it. The problem is that 7 workstations are powerpc. It could work? |
| 15:27.43 | Penix | heh |
| 15:27.51 | xan|aw | i get this when i try to use apt-get ** only the update command works without faults |
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| 15:28.24 | xukun | when I try to edit a file on ssh server as a root I get this error: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication |
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| 15:28.59 | Web52|Doochy | asg: wish mii-tool did fix it all if it didnt worked out fine :/ |
| 15:29.07 | Penix | xukun: what editor are you using? |
| 15:29.19 | xukun | Penix, vi |
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| 15:29.34 | asg | Web52|Doochy: yeah |
| 15:29.49 | DeepMoon | how do i get rid of the open bootpc port showing in netstat -aut |
| 15:29.59 | asg | DeepMoon: stop using dhcp |
| 15:30.11 | PaPyrana | asg: I deleted all the /mnt/redhat* stuff; mounted /mnt/redhat5.0 and taadaa found all the /mnt/redhat* stuff again; thanks |
| 15:30.18 | asg | PaPyrana: you're welcome |
| 15:30.25 | DeepMoon | asg, I dont. I use pump, but I guess its the same |
| 15:30.38 | asg | DeepMoon: yes, it is the client listening for incoming requests |
| 15:30.57 | DeepMoon | asg: like renewing lisences such? |
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| 15:31.12 | asg | DeepMoon: yes |
| 15:31.24 | DeepMoon | asg, thnx |
| 15:31.26 | xukun | Please help: when I try to edit a file on ssh server as a root I get this error: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication |
| 15:31.27 | asg | DeepMoon: np |
| 15:31.43 | asg | xukun: is the server a Debian machine? |
| 15:31.46 | TTT | hi, I have a big PostScript image, and I want to print it on 2x2 landscape A4 sheets, how do I do that? |
| 15:32.05 | IVS | xukun: use a console-editor, it saves you trouble :) |
| 15:32.16 | xukun | asq yes |
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| 15:32.33 | IVS | Active2: heya |
| 15:32.39 | xukun | IVS, I,m using vi |
| 15:32.42 | asg | xukun: make sure vi isn't linked to gvim or somesuch nosense (man update-alternatvies) |
| 15:32.53 | Active2 | IVS: ey :) |
| 15:33.24 | uws | asg: If DISPLAY is undefined, Vim will run in a terminal iirc |
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| 15:33.48 | asg | uws: hmm, perhaps you should suggest that to him |
| 15:34.13 | asg | uws: thanks for the info though, I didn't know that |
| 15:34.13 | IVS | uws: but id DISPLAY is defined and cannot be authed to, it doesn't afaik... |
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| 15:34.37 | uws | IVS: I think it will give an error message and run in console after the error |
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| 15:34.46 | uws | not sure about that last thing, though |
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| 15:35.28 | IVS | uws: i'm quite sure, ran into this problem some days ago... |
| 15:35.29 | skermajo | could somebody suggest why (now that I've just upgraded from 2.6-test11 to 2.6.0) my modules no longer load at boot-time ? where should i start to look to troubleshoot ? |
| 15:35.44 | vipe | does any know from which bootlogd is a part of ? |
| 15:35.56 | zdys | hi to all, i am trying to run eclipse with gtk. starting it tells me that it requires gtk 2.0.6 and 2.0.2 is detected. what do i have to fix. |
| 15:36.01 | vipe | in sid and sarge |
| 15:36.08 | sussudio | ~fix zdys |
| 15:36.12 | | ACTION takes zdys to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 15:36.17 | Covener | skermajo: module-init-tools package |
| 15:36.21 | uws | uto:~ > sudo su nobody -c gvim |
| 15:36.22 | DeepMoon | skermajo: you got the modules for starters? in the right lib/modules |
| 15:36.24 | uws | IVS: ^^^ |
| 15:36.28 | skermajo | Covener: yeah . . that is in |
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| 15:36.34 | uws | IVS: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 15:36.39 | uws | IVS: Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 15:36.46 | uws | IVS: E233: cannot open displayXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:36.49 | Covener | uws: sudo su? |
| 15:36.56 | DeepMoon | uws: xhost + |
| 15:37.01 | uws | IVS: Well, after hitting enter console vim pops up |
| 15:37.09 | uws | DeepMoon: I know, this was to check for an error |
| 15:37.17 | DeepMoon | uws: k |
| 15:37.24 | uws | Covener: Yeah, user nobody doesn't have a passwd :) |
| 15:37.24 | skermajo | Covener: i can modprobe the modules in alright . .but they just don't load at boot |
| 15:37.31 | IVS | uws: hmmmm, starnge... |
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| 15:37.37 | Covener | skermajo: /etc/modules? |
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| 15:38.06 | Covener | uws: I meant that having su in there is very weird, you can do sudo -u |
| 15:38.29 | zdys | sussudio i have read that running gnome with woody is a bit of a pain. do U know how i get eclipse running ? |
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| 15:39.13 | e3 | hi |
| 15:39.33 | skermajo | Covener: is that where the module file for 2.6 is ;) yeah . .some are listed, but they still didn't load (not all are listed). which log do i look at to see boot error messages ? |
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| 15:39.36 | mfbian | woody is too out of date |
| 15:39.56 | asg | zdys: the easiest way I've found is to just download the sun jdk and the eclipse package from ibm and stuff the lot in /usr/local |
| 15:40.12 | uws | Covener: Ah, good point ;P |
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| 15:40.23 | Covener | skermajo: that's where debian keeps the modules to autoload -- /var/log/messages maybe |
| 15:40.30 | systems | mfbian: you are correct . dont use woody then |
| 15:40.44 | skermajo | Covener: thanks for the help. i'll go log hunting :) |
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| 15:41.06 | Maulkin | Afternoon all. |
| 15:41.10 | asg | morning |
| 15:41.15 | mfbian | but the problem is, sid is too unstable |
| 15:41.35 | asg | mfbian: then backport the sid packages for what you need (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 15:41.38 | systems | aaa packages.debian.org , doesn't affect apt-get install |
| 15:41.49 | asg | systems: no, it doesn't |
| 15:42.07 | uws | mfbian: So you ended up with sarge? |
| 15:42.08 | systems | why do ppl care about ackages.debian.org then? |
| 15:42.10 | xan|aw | is'nt there anyone that could help me with that problem with apt-get here? :( |
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| 15:42.24 | Zap-W | does cardboard and paper also create static? |
| 15:42.30 | asg | mfbian: or if you don't want to backport stuff like X or Gnome, run sid in a chrooted environment on your woody system |
| 15:42.31 | systems | mfbian: moral is, there is more to debian then just woody |
| 15:42.33 | Kraig | xan|aw: what is the problem? |
| 15:42.46 | systems | i wish tough if stable was less out of date |
| 15:42.46 | xan|aw | Error: mod_accounting.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 15:42.49 | xan|aw | Error: the above error list does not permit a safe use of modules-config. |
| 15:42.49 | xan|aw | this |
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| 15:43.02 | xan|aw | i get it every time i use apt-get now after i did the upgrade yesterday |
| 15:43.10 | asg | xan|aw: what debian? sid? |
| 15:43.20 | xan|aw | woodie |
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| 15:43.38 | TTT | hey, how do I break a single Postscript or eps file into several pages? |
| 15:43.47 | asg | xan|aw: check the bts (and file a bug if there isn't anything there) |
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| 15:44.05 | xan|aw | bts? |
| 15:44.09 | asg | xan|aw: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:44.11 | nvz | xan|aw: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:44.24 | xan|aw | k :) |
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| 15:44.42 | asg | systems: people don't know how to search for files w/o using p.d.o |
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| 15:44.44 | xan|aw | tnx |
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| 15:46.08 | nvz | xan|aw: there are programs like bugbuddy that aim to ease use of bts |
| 15:46.20 | systems | we must kill those ppl asg |
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| 15:46.28 | systems | kill em all |
| 15:46.38 | asg | systems: or tell them about apt-file and /msg dpkg find <blah> |
| 15:47.22 | petemc | ! |
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| 15:47.40 | nvz | I rather be rooted than listen to Metallica |
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| 15:48.08 | asg | prophecy: that presupposes that they made any in the first place |
| 15:48.34 | prophecy | asg: You're right, they only made crap. |
| 15:48.46 | felixdz | Hello again. |
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| 15:49.17 | asg | hi felixdz |
| 15:49.19 | nvz | The lead "singer" of Metallica cant change pitch at all. Even Metallica fans dont like Metallica anymore. |
| 15:49.38 | felixdz | I was dselecting openoffice.org and came to a bit that says removing kdm... |
| 15:49.42 | felixdz | hi asg |
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| 15:50.17 | nvz | felixdz: sad, isnt it? just reinstall it. I dont see why that happened though |
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| 15:50.24 | felixdz | My problem has sorted itself out |
| 15:51.20 | felixdz | The dselect sort of froze up for a while but it is going great again. |
| 15:51.34 | nvz | felixdz: I do however know that if things like that are to take place, i.e. something is to happen other than what you asked to happen, deps being pulled or removed, it requires confirmation.. so read closely next time |
| 15:51.56 | nvz | and get a sane package manager |
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| 15:52.48 | skermajo | when i compile a 2.6 kernel the debian way my /etc/modules file isn't built properly. any suggestions as to why this is? |
| 15:52.51 | nvz | I've had alot of post-install configuration problems in sid in the past couple months, hanging, and errors in the scripts.. |
| 15:53.12 | felixdz | what do you use nvz? synaptic? |
| 15:53.24 | asg | nvz: that's pretty standard in sid (but easy to fix) |
| 15:53.33 | nvz | felixdz: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, whatever I am in the mood for |
| 15:53.53 | nvz | asg: yeah usually easy to correct |
| 15:53.57 | bancus | skermajo, module-init-tools? |
| 15:54.36 | felixdz | I've mostly been using apt-get. But had some strange problem this morning with OOo... |
| 15:54.38 | skermajo | bancus: can modprobe the modules . .module-init-tools i installed. i just thought that when i compile the kernel the modules should be added to /etc/modules automatially ?? |
| 15:54.52 | bancus | should they? |
| 15:54.54 | felixdz | anyway seems to be fixing itself. |
| 15:55.10 | bancus | I thought /etc/modules was a manually configured list of modules to load at boottime |
| 15:55.12 | The_Vulture | skermajo: if they are compiled into the kernel, they aren't modules and have nothing to do with /etc/modules |
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| 15:55.25 | asg | bancus: it is (and it's also managed by modconf) |
| 15:55.48 | skermajo | The_Vulture: they are in the kernel config as modules ?? |
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| 15:56.10 | The_Vulture | they aren't loadable kernel modules, they are part of the kernel if you compiled them as such.. |
| 15:56.14 | Maulkin | Afternoon all. |
| 15:56.16 | The_Vulture | s/them/it |
| 15:56.19 | skermajo | The_Vulture: for example . .alsa has no choice but to be a module in 2.6.0 |
| 15:56.42 | bancus | are the means to use 2.6's ide cd burning capability in debian? |
| 15:56.47 | bancus | skermajo, what? |
| 15:56.55 | bancus | skermajo, I compiled it into my kernel |
| 15:57.02 | nvz | skermajo: you're full of it, I dont even have module loader in my 2.6.0 kernel and my ALSA is working right now |
| 15:57.05 | bancus | it has no choice but to be a module in 2.4 |
| 15:57.13 | bancus | ALSA comes with 2.6 |
| 15:57.25 | skermajo | my make menuconfig won't let me do anything but put an 'M' beside ALSA support :S |
| 15:57.26 | mika | I have Intel 845G integrated graphics board, and cannot start X using the i810 driver. I have all the needed stuff in the kernel.... what could be wrong? |
| 15:57.31 | mika | I get just "no screens found" |
| 15:57.35 | nvz | skermajo: you probably had the sound support as a module, which would force all its 'child' configs to be modules |
| 15:57.44 | bancus | perhaps it relies on some other driver which you said to make as a module |
| 15:57.51 | mika | and (EE) no devices detected |
| 15:57.59 | skermajo | bancus: that is a possibility |
| 15:58.28 | mxn | Hello. I've got a little problem with exim. I just tried to mail someone and got this error sent back: "invalid/host-not-in-DNS return address not allowed" - it says my host is mxn@mntx. I use exim and I'm not sure how to change this, because it's obviously incorrect... |
| 15:58.33 | mika | anyone had problems with this? i just changed from redhat 9 to debian sarge.. |
| 15:58.51 | skermajo | ok another angle . . i patched 2.6.0 to include forcedeth (nvidia ethernet) and built it as a module, but it doesn't laod at boot ?? |
| 15:58.54 | bancus | mxn: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 15:59.00 | bancus | tell it your correct hostname |
| 15:59.07 | bancus | or is that eximconfig? |
| 15:59.08 | petemc | eximconfig |
| 15:59.12 | nvz | I have a simple ALSA question, what would be a good thing to use to maintain the mixer settings? I would prefer that my mixer not be muted when I boot.. I could probably put aumix commands in an init.d script but I am guessing there is a better way? |
| 15:59.20 | bancus | there's some configurator it launches during the first system boot which asks for that kind of stuff |
| 15:59.25 | mxn | bancus: Ahem, it doesn't actually do anything. Which is strange. |
| 15:59.29 | caphuso | nvz: aumix already does it, just install it |
| 15:59.30 | mxn | eximconfig it is, then. |
| 15:59.39 | mxn | Hehe. |
| 15:59.49 | snoke | anyone know where i can found ffmpeg package ? |
| 15:59.56 | mxn | # eximconfig \n hostname: Unknown host \n hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 |
| 16:00.09 | nvz | caphuso: it is installed, and I use it as my mixer.. but everytime I boot they are back to zero. |
| 16:00.15 | caphuso | snoke: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:00.31 | asg | mxn: fix your /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 16:00.54 | caphuso | nvz: check /etc/default/aumix |
| 16:00.59 | mxn | asg: Did that a while ago, and afaik they are OK, but I guess something is wrong. |
| 16:01.23 | asg | mxn: check to be sure, hostname --fqdn indicates as much |
| 16:01.51 | mxn | asg: That returns an error as above, but I don't actually know how to resolve it. |
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| 16:02.20 | nvz | caphuso: yeah that would be the problem. Thanks for your always practical advice. |
| 16:02.30 | asg | mxn: a) make sure your hostname is in /etc/hostname b) make sure you have an ip hostname.domain hostname in /etc/hosts |
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| 16:02.46 | nvz | SAVEMIXER=no |
| 16:02.49 | nvz | heh |
| 16:02.52 | mxn | asg: Do I want my FQDN in /etc/hostname? |
| 16:03.02 | asg | mxn: no |
| 16:03.17 | asg | mxn: man hostname (provides all the relevant info) |
| 16:03.21 | mxn | ;-) |
| 16:03.52 | Guerin | Ok, got a curly one here |
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| 16:04.39 | Guerin | internet accss from behind a box running iptables died inexplicably when I tried to stream via http |
| 16:04.48 | Guerin | and won't go live again |
| 16:04.49 | sekhmetal | hello |
| 16:04.52 | Guerin | hello |
| 16:05.17 | Guerin | er |
| 16:05.19 | Guerin | yeah |
| 16:05.27 | Guerin | curious to say the least |
| 16:05.38 | sussudio | ~enter |
| 16:05.40 | | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 16:05.40 | Guerin | traffic betweenmy two local boxen is just fine |
| 16:06.28 | Guerin | Roger that. I have pretty bad IRC manners generally. Sorry :) |
| 16:06.36 | word | is there a way that I can issue a system beep? |
| 16:06.42 | sussudio | word: ctrl-g |
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| 16:07.04 | Brutus | good night debian |
| 16:07.09 | mxn | asg: hostname <FQDN> got it :p |
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| 16:07.39 | word | sussudio: its a remote machine, will still work? |
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| 16:08.01 | Guerin | Anyway. Anyone able to help me troubleshoot this network issue? |
| 16:08.24 | sussudio | word: 'beep' |
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| 16:08.57 | word | eh? |
| 16:09.24 | phibster | I'm having a very curious problem with my onboard ethernet card. It uses driver '3c2000'. I can ping other computers on the local network, and am refused when I attempt to connect to a closed port. However, I can ping any valid computer and receive dhcp information. |
| 16:09.46 | asac | anyone seen the problem: 'ds: no socket driver loaded' during boot? |
| 16:09.47 | phibster | iptables is not installed in the kernel at all |
| 16:11.09 | G2 | Hi all, sometimes my emu10k1 module doesn't load, when I modprobe is the sound still doesn't work. On a reboot it does. What am I not loading up by hand? using a sound blaster live card. |
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| 16:11.24 | mxn | Whoops, wrong button. |
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| 16:12.43 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:12.51 | themusicgod1 | io |
| 16:13.35 | sussudio | beat it, fucktard. |
| 16:13.35 | gypsymauro | I'm using jigdo to download sid iso images but I saw that sometimes it doesn't find some files but at the end it says that the iso it's good?! |
| 16:13.44 | asg | sussudio: cheers |
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| 16:14.59 | sussudio | ~saturday |
| 16:15.03 | | somebody said saturday was the only day of the week that doesn't suck. |
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| 16:15.14 | sussudio | apt: you're wrong. |
| 16:15.17 | | no idea, sussudio |
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| 16:15.56 | sussudio | apt: sausages |
| 16:15.57 | | sussudio: no idea |
| 16:15.59 | asg | apt, saturday is also However, it is the precursor to Sunday suckage |
| 16:16.01 | | asg: okay |
| 16:16.31 | gypsymauro | lol |
| 16:16.40 | gypsymauro | asg: :))))))))) |
| 16:17.01 | asg | sussudio: and it is Sunday in .au so that might explain it as well |
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| 16:17.28 | sussudio | snort. |
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| 16:24.12 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 16:24.37 | ribnitz | how do I do it in interfaces so that the iface eth0 can have more than one ip? |
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| 16:25.18 | Penix | buy another ethernet card. cheapskate |
| 16:25.41 | ribnitz | Penix: no, only one network card |
| 16:25.54 | oskie | ribnitz: call them eth0:1, eth0:2 etc |
| 16:26.15 | ribnitz | oskie: strangely enough that doesn't seem to work? ;( |
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| 16:27.04 | ribnitz | oskie: interface 'eth1' is already configured |
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| 16:27.49 | oskie | ribnitz: maybe you haven't compiled support for this into the kernel... it's called IP aliasing |
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| 16:28.11 | ribnitz | oskie: that might be it |
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| 16:29.32 | AoH|Spider210 | Would anyone know why on cPanel for debian on the sites I host people can access www.theirsite.com/cpanel but can access www.theirsite.com:2082 |
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| 16:29.53 | AoH|Spider210 | Would anyone know why on cPanel for debian on the sites I host people "can't" access www.theirsite.com/cpanel but can access www.theirsite.com:2082 |
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| 16:31.09 | mikol__ | bye |
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| 16:32.39 | igel | how dan you change the size of a window of xmms?? |
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| 16:33.37 | prologic | dh_make is ignoring the -p parameter I'm giving it, how come ? |
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| 16:33.54 | igel | how can you change the size of a window of xmms? |
| 16:34.12 | nvz | Would I be correct to assume that all this Linux 0.01 code was written by Linus, and its not like copyrighted in any way? |
| 16:34.13 | prologic | igel, drag it's edges like any other window |
| 16:34.34 | prologic | nvz, afaik it was all written by Linux Torvalds, yes. |
| 16:34.47 | nvz | doesnt say any of that in the source.. just wondering |
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| 16:35.21 | Madd | hi everyone |
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| 16:35.42 | igel | prologic: you cant! |
| 16:35.47 | nvz | Linux Torvalds .) |
| 16:35.53 | prologic | igel, you can :) |
| 16:36.05 | nvz | I like the one eyed smiley |
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| 16:36.35 | Madd | how can i get access on a 4.5GB file over network? nfs says it's a 596MB file, hmm thats not realy correct. |
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| 16:36.52 | igel | prologic: there appears no triangle! |
| 16:37.17 | prologic | igel, drag it anyway, it depends what skin is applied |
| 16:37.39 | prologic | igel, your window manager could have resizing disabled for it too, check that. windowmaker can at least do that for apps |
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| 16:37.59 | nvz | Madd: thats what you get for trying to copy dvds over a network. |
| 16:38.11 | honschu | What is the normal rcX.d runnlevel debian runs in? |
| 16:38.14 | Andi_ | With which program can I read the UPC/EAN number of an audio-CD? cdda2wav only shows a cddb entry number. |
| 16:38.28 | prologic | honschu, 2 |
| 16:38.33 | honschu | prologic: thx |
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| 16:38.35 | nvz | I dont think I would want to pull a file that large through my network, I got too many old machines that would probably lag real bad |
| 16:38.46 | papipro | how can i download a site with wget but downloading only one link depht? |
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| 16:38.55 | prologic | papipro, RTFM, man wget |
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| 16:39.23 | nvz | papipro: yeah the manpage is where that is.. and there are apps for doing such things.. like httrack |
| 16:40.04 | Madd | nvz not realy cp, i would say access |
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| 16:40.11 | igel | prologic: you can i check taht? |
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| 16:40.24 | prologic | igel: ? |
| 16:40.34 | nvz | papipro: http://www.httrack.com/ if you are interested in a graphical offline webpage cache tool |
| 16:41.20 | igel | prologic: how can check the resizing disabling? |
| 16:41.30 | nvz | Madd: seems like it would be easier to just by a dvd player for the other box |
| 16:41.36 | prologic | igel: I don't know, look up the docs for your window manager |
| 16:42.14 | nvz | my 52X CDRW was only $19.99, you've got to be able to find a cheap DVD-ROM |
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| 16:42.38 | Madd | nvz, i have an image on a maschine, and i want to burn it, but there is no space on this maschine for an image. |
| 16:42.41 | petemc | a dvd burner is > $100 |
| 16:42.42 | nvz | I am still not into the dvd thing yet |
| 16:42.45 | ercin | 9 |
| 16:42.45 | igel | prologic: ok...and is here a ae or a ? ä |
| 16:42.49 | ercin | ups :)) |
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| 16:43.14 | papipro | thanks nvz |
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| 16:43.18 | igel | prologic: is that ae or ? äääääääää |
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| 16:43.27 | sylvinus_ | hi all |
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| 16:43.31 | Madd | petec hmm 140 ¤ (euro) |
| 16:43.34 | mikol | join #gnustep |
| 16:43.38 | sylvinus_ | can someone help me with powernowd on sarge ??? |
| 16:43.43 | prologic | igel: ae ? sorry I haven't a clue |
| 16:43.48 | sylvinus_ | can't get it removed |
| 16:43.51 | papipro | nvz you were much more helpfull than just say 'rtfm idiot' =] |
| 16:43.55 | petemc | Madd: nope, i bought mine for 80GBP |
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| 16:43.59 | nvz | papipro: no problem, I have tried it on windows, cant remember if I ever used it for linux, but those sort of tools take work out of it |
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| 16:44.25 | nvz | papipro: the manpage for wget would cover such things though.. I user wget alot, especially when compiling kernels |
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| 16:44.31 | Madd | petemc, hmm it sounds expensive |
| 16:44.41 | petemc | Madd: i guess that relative |
| 16:45.03 | igel | prologic: i think my charsets are broken and thats why i ask you if it i a ae or a ? äääääää |
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| 16:45.37 | igel | prologic: äääää <---- whats that ?? |
| 16:45.45 | Madd | petemc, hmm i dont know the the change, but i thought 2 x ¤ = 1 GBP |
| 16:45.52 | mage_ | !tell igel about repeat |
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| 16:46.02 | prologic | igel: no idea, I only use one character set. |
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| 16:46.10 | petemc | Madd: 1 euro is roughly 0.67 GBP |
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| 16:46.50 | sussudio | 1 Euro is 0.696834 GB Pounds |
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| 16:47.32 | AoH|Spider210 | Would anyone know why on cPanel for debian on the sites I host people "can't" access www.theirsite.com/cpanel but can access www.theirsite.com:2082 |
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| 16:48.05 | sussudio | petemc: meh. it's even more now, 0.70 |
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| 16:48.16 | bizkit | please help me with apache: i use suEXEC for my virtual hosts to execute cgi's as the user who owns the vhost. the problem is, that my cgi-bin dir is not in the document root of the vhost, and suEXEC complains about. can i say suEXEC the special path to the vhost-owners cgi-bin? (i use an /cgi-bin alias instead of putting the cgi.bin dir into the DocumentRoot) |
| 16:48.36 | igel | mage_: well i want to now if you recieve this char: " ä " as ae or as ? |
| 16:48.43 | petemc | sussudio: i dont monitor it too closely, about 2 thirds is generally a safe bet |
| 16:48.45 | AoH|Spider210 | should my doc root be /var/www ??? |
| 16:48.50 | tarzeau | apt sussudio |
| 16:48.54 | | rumour has it, sussudio is Get a life, Doug. |
| 16:48.56 | petemc | AoH|Spider210: if thats where you want it |
| 16:49.04 | AoH|Spider210 | well question |
| 16:49.05 | bizkit | AoH|Spider210: yes, thats the default debian apache install doc-root.. |
| 16:49.10 | AoH|Spider210 | my domain resolved |
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| 16:49.14 | AoH|Spider210 | and all i see |
| 16:49.15 | AoH|Spider210 | is |
| 16:49.29 | AoH|Spider210 | Welcome to Your New Home in Cyberspace! |
| 16:49.34 | tam9 | anyone know how to stop bash beeping when i do tab completion and the item is not there? i hate the beep |
| 16:49.38 | AoH|Spider210 | but i logged into the act |
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| 16:49.44 | tarzeau | tam9: x or console? |
| 16:49.48 | bizkit | AoH|Spider210: then cd to your doc root and put your pages there :) |
| 16:49.49 | petemc | AoH|Spider210: logged into what? |
| 16:49.50 | tarzeau | tam9: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 16:49.58 | tam9 | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 16:50.15 | AoH|Spider210 | but i'm using cpanel |
| 16:50.22 | AoH|Spider210 | and host more then 1 site |
| 16:50.27 | AoH|Spider210 | so how do i do that |
| 16:50.35 | sussudio | ~enter |
| 16:50.37 | | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 16:50.54 | AoH|Spider210 | like my acts are setup in the home dir |
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| 16:51.12 | tam9 | tarzeau: that faq doesn't help |
| 16:51.16 | tam9 | thanks anyway |
| 16:51.20 | tarzeau | tam9: did you search it for setterm ? |
| 16:51.23 | tarzeau | tam9: or xset ? |
| 16:51.45 | tam9 | i searched for 'beep' lol. i'll try your suggestions as i know you know :) |
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| 16:51.49 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:51.57 | petemc | xset or stty |
| 16:51.59 | AoH|Spider210 | What do I have to do to get multiple acts working |
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| 16:51.59 | tarzeau | tam9: oh true, i will add it right now |
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| 16:52.37 | trans_err | gdesklets b0rked in sid? |
| 16:52.47 | trans_err | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.47 | trans_err | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.50 | tam9 | xset is there but doesn't correspond to that matter and setterm ain't there |
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| 16:53.53 | petemc | xset -b |
| 16:54.21 | AoH|Spider210 | Would I set doc root to /home ??? |
| 16:54.24 | XliquiD | hi all |
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| 16:56.46 | AoH|Spider210 | anyone here? |
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| 16:57.05 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: no |
| 16:57.11 | AoH|Spider210 | :/ |
| 16:57.20 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: yes we all are here |
| 16:57.25 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: but we can't read your mind |
| 16:57.38 | AoH|Spider210 | how can I get the acts to show there files when u goto their site |
| 16:57.52 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: i don't understand your sentence! |
| 16:57.53 | AoH|Spider210 | like the doc root |
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| 16:57.57 | AoH|Spider210 | is set to |
| 16:58.04 | AoH|Spider210 | - /var/www |
| 16:58.05 | papipro | nvz that httrack can't pass of the robots.txt file even with the option --robots=0 |
| 16:58.09 | AoH|Spider210 | and |
| 16:58.12 | xpato | any one using hotkeys and osd? |
| 16:58.15 | AoH|Spider210 | when a site resolvs |
| 16:58.20 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: huh? |
| 16:58.32 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: you have a webserver? |
| 16:58.33 | AoH|Spider210 | I talking about apache and cpanel here |
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| 16:58.46 | tarzeau | i don't know cpanel, but i know apache 1.3.x or 2.x? |
| 16:58.54 | AoH|Spider210 | its 1.3 i think |
| 16:58.58 | AoH|Spider210 | anyways |
| 16:59.04 | AoH|Spider210 | when a site resolvs |
| 16:59.06 | AoH|Spider210 | is shows |
| 16:59.07 | AoH|Spider210 | Welcome to Your New Home in Cyberspace! |
| 16:59.16 | AoH|Spider210 | and not the accounts stuff |
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| 16:59.24 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: stop using 18 lines to explain everything use 1 line nobody wants to scroll to read your entire question |
| 16:59.32 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: thats in /var/www |
| 16:59.38 | hedlund | hmm, I got the x server working now; but when I run startx xfce4 doesn't start? |
| 16:59.43 | sussudio | ~tell AoH|Spider210 about enter |
| 16:59.46 | sussudio | AoH|Spider210: RETARD |
| 16:59.50 | tarzeau | hedlund: edit your .xinitrc |
| 16:59.50 | hedlund | It's the only WM I've got installed |
| 16:59.51 | sylvinus_ | how do you mount sysfs with 2.6 ? |
| 16:59.58 | tarzeau | hedlund: xfce4_setup |
| 17:00.15 | tarzeau | sylvinus_: www.kernelnewbies.org they've got an irc channel too |
| 17:00.29 | tarzeau | hedlund: run xfce4_setup anyways |
| 17:00.29 | felixdz | My dselect is getting frozen here... |
| 17:00.31 | AoH|Spider210 | Ok, I have the the accounts in /home so would I have to change the doc root to /home ?? |
| 17:00.33 | vpb | does anybody here knows how to delete logs on a mikrotik router? |
| 17:00.36 | sylvinus_ | hmm i'm not a kernel newbie I think tarzeau |
| 17:00.54 | hedlund | tarzeau: OK, I'll try that |
| 17:00.55 | tarzeau | sylvinus_: it was not meant to be insulting |
| 17:01.02 | tarzeau | sylvinus_: i didn't chose the domain name |
| 17:01.02 | TheMonoTone | is there something wrong with this picture, I get errors when I do apt-get update for anything besides stable |
| 17:01.17 | TheMonoTone | is there something wrong with the testing and unstable package lists? |
| 17:01.25 | sylvinus_ | hm ok, nevermind. but 've you got some answer ? |
| 17:01.25 | tarzeau | TheMonoTone: i don't think so, which mirror? |
| 17:01.31 | hedlund | tarzeau: Thanks, works fine now :-) |
| 17:01.39 | tarzeau | TheMonoTone: telnet linuks.mine.nu #they nevery failed on me |
| 17:01.39 | TheMonoTone | any in the US |
| 17:01.42 | hedlund | Now I just need to get my USB mouse working - how do I do that |
| 17:01.44 | hedlund | ? |
| 17:01.50 | tarzeau | hedlund: it doesn't move at all? |
| 17:01.55 | chaz | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljpeg6b, what libarary is that? |
| 17:01.55 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: no just symlink fron /var/www out to your other directory install phpsysinfo it will do exactly what m describing symlink away from /var/www |
| 17:02.00 | sussudio | hedlund: why did you put the questionmark on the next line? why? |
| 17:02.04 | tarzeau | hedlund: is the cable plugged in? does any usb device work? |
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| 17:02.19 | jasioxx | somebody can tell me how can I uninstall packages from Debian? |
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| 17:02.30 | jasioxx | (in slackware I can use pkgtool) |
| 17:02.34 | tarzeau | jasioxx: apt-get --purge remove pack ages |
| 17:02.34 | sussudio | jasioxx: apt-get remove package1 package2 package3 |
| 17:02.40 | tarzeau | jasioxx: in debian you can use apt |
| 17:02.41 | petemc | jasioxx: man apt-get ; man dpkg |
| 17:02.42 | hedlund | tarzeau : It doesn't move at all... the cable is in, I don't know if other devices works |
| 17:02.48 | hedlund | tarzeau : It's my only usb devices |
| 17:02.56 | tarzeau | hedlund: did you load usb drivers? |
| 17:03.01 | Serbitar | herros. does anyone know what filesystem the woody root.bin is and if its compressed or anything? |
| 17:03.11 | hedlund | tarzeau : I don't know |
| 17:03.11 | tarzeau | hedlund: is x configured right? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 maybe look www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 17:03.15 | petemc | Serbitar: cramfs i think |
| 17:03.15 | caphuso | Serbitar: it's a gzipped ext2 filesystem |
| 17:03.20 | AoH|Spider210 | can I apt-get phpsysinfo |
| 17:03.33 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: apt-cache show phpsysinfo |
| 17:03.38 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: i can |
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| 17:03.46 | AoH|Spider210 | k working |
| 17:03.47 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: you miss "install" between the two words |
| 17:04.01 | hedlund | tarzeau : Yes it's configured right, but I don't know what mouse I should choose in the XF86Config file... |
| 17:04.08 | sussudio | tarzeau: i think he's missing some between his ears too. |
| 17:04.15 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: learn to use apt-cache search also |
| 17:04.39 | Serbitar | caphuso: thanks muchly. /me goes back to his world dominational debian install things |
| 17:04.47 | tarzeau | sussudio: it's funny, but discriminating (maybe he's got a sister?) |
| 17:05.05 | AoH|Spider210 | Ok thats done installing. Should my sites show up correctly now? |
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| 17:05.13 | TheMonoTone | wow, thanks man |
| 17:05.39 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: where did you copy your site to? |
| 17:05.43 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: no that was jus an example to show you symlinking sites to other than /var/www directory |
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| 17:05.47 | philipp | Hi iam thinking about buying a portable mp3 player. My favorits are the Jukebox Zen NX and Creative MuVo2 (1.5 GB) does anyone has such a player or know whether it's possible to use them with a linux pc |
| 17:05.57 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: what's the url? we can check |
| 17:06.04 | tarzeau | philipp: i prefer the ibook2 |
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| 17:06.13 | tarzeau | philipp: it has a larger display than most mp3 players |
| 17:06.18 | AoH|Spider210 | http://www.onestop-hosting.net |
| 17:06.28 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: look in /var/www youll see phpsysinfo is not installed there just linked to that apache directory |
| 17:06.36 | tarzeau | philipp: i'm just using irssi-text on my mp3 player right now |
| 17:06.40 | philipp | tarzeau: but iam a poor student otherwise i would also prefer an i book |
| 17:06.44 | tarzeau | wow it has network too! |
| 17:07.04 | sussudio | tarzeau: Piggy is quite a bit faster with a p2-266 and 128MB ram |
| 17:07.05 | tarzeau | AoH|Spider210: shows default page to me |
| 17:07.09 | philipp | tarzeau: whats irssi-text |
| 17:07.13 | hedlund | Now my kernel has support for usb mouse, but I still don't know how to edit my XF86Config file |
| 17:07.15 | AoH|Spider210 | Thats what I am trying to get rid of |
| 17:07.19 | Serbitar | philipp: an irc client |
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| 17:07.21 | tarzeau | philipp: a nice irc client, www.irssi.org |
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| 17:07.32 | caphuso | hedlund: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 17:07.45 | tarzeau | vpb: why do you think i'm a man? |
| 17:07.58 | tarzeau | vpb: assuming genders on irc is a bad thing! |
| 17:08.00 | tarzeau | helix: right? |
| 17:08.27 | vpb | i dont think |
| 17:08.30 | philipp | tarzeau: Ithink the creative jukebox zen want run this |
| 17:08.32 | philipp | :-) |
| 17:08.33 | vpb | tarzeau is a female name |
| 17:08.44 | tarzeau | vpb: and what name is "helix" ? |
| 17:08.52 | hedlund | caphuso : Thank you |
| 17:08.55 | vpb | male |
| 17:08.57 | vpb | i think |
| 17:09.03 | tarzeau | vpb: but she's a woman! |
| 17:09.10 | vpb | i never heard this names before |
| 17:09.12 | tarzeau | vpb: and andrea is a name that is used for male and female! now what? |
| 17:09.19 | tarzeau | vpb: is your real name, really vpb? |
| 17:09.23 | vpb | hasan |
| 17:09.30 | tarzeau | vpb: do you think tarzeau is my real name? |
| 17:09.33 | AoH|Spider210 | tarzeau: I'm tring to get rid of it showing the default page. |
| 17:09.39 | vpb | i dont know |
| 17:09.40 | tarzeau | vpb: and i'm gürkan from turkey (but i live in switzerland) |
| 17:09.44 | vpb | :) maybe |
| 17:09.49 | tarzeau | vpb: would you like to sell debian cd's in kosovo? |
| 17:09.53 | vpb | do u know where is kosov |
| 17:09.58 | vpb | kosovo |
| 17:09.59 | tarzeau | vpb: you could be listed on www.debian.org/CD/vendors |
| 17:10.10 | tarzeau | vpb: yes i know. now ask your question here, again |
| 17:10.15 | vpb | yes |
| 17:10.36 | tarzeau | vpb: do you have a cd-burner and debian first cd, say 3.0r2 ? |
| 17:10.41 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: the default page is simply /var/www/index.html <--thats it not tough |
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| 17:10.44 | vpb | but most of linux supporters download the iso images |
| 17:10.51 | vpb | bc there is no shop with debian cd-s |
| 17:10.55 | tarzeau | vpb: can you make a html page with your details (price, how to order/contact you)? |
| 17:10.56 | vpb | no |
| 17:10.58 | AoH|Spider210 | I am confused |
| 17:11.00 | vpb | just libranet 2.8.1 |
| 17:11.04 | tarzeau | vpb: well you can make one! if you want |
| 17:11.12 | vpb | ok |
| 17:11.14 | tarzeau | vpb: if you give me your address i will send you one, for free |
| 17:11.24 | vpb | and where to upload the webpage |
| 17:11.25 | tarzeau | vpb: well you will have to make a shop homepage, i can host it (for free, too) |
| 17:11.26 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: the default page your seeing is /var/ww/index.html change this page and your default changes |
| 17:11.31 | AoH|Spider210 | That shows for all my different accounts? How do I get the accounts to show up with their site |
| 17:11.34 | tarzeau | vpb: just send it to gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 17:11.39 | vpb | you my my mail address |
| 17:11.44 | philipp | does anyone out here use a portable mp3 player with linux |
| 17:11.59 | tarzeau | vpb: all have internet in kosovo? |
| 17:12.01 | hedlund | Thanks all for helping me, now XFCE4, my usb mouse and everything works smooth :-) |
| 17:12.03 | tarzeau | vpb: and cheap and fast? |
| 17:12.04 | sussudio | ~tell philipp about polls |
| 17:12.08 | snoke | how i can change keyboart repeat speed in console and x ? |
| 17:12.09 | vpb | somebody goes in internetcaffe |
| 17:12.16 | vpb | somebody i connected with cable |
| 17:12.19 | vpb | 24 hours |
| 17:12.27 | vpb | do u know where is kosovo? |
| 17:12.28 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: once you add symlinks or directories in /var/www they will showup as www.goofball.org/<directory/username>/index.html etc |
| 17:12.30 | ljlane | snoke, setterm and xset |
| 17:12.32 | tarzeau | vpb: yes i know |
| 17:12.36 | vpb | i think turkey is very near kosovo :) |
| 17:12.42 | philipp | sussudio: iam sorry you are right i will put the question another way |
| 17:12.42 | snoke | ljlane: ok thx |
| 17:12.48 | tarzeau | vpb: yes that is why i know where kosovo is, i have a friend from there at work |
| 17:12.54 | thiccups | AoH|Spider210: you really need to read a website and apache book |
| 17:12.59 | vpb | what's his name? |
| 17:13.04 | tarzeau | vpb: we like similar music |
| 17:13.14 | tarzeau | vpb: agron mahmuti |
| 17:13.21 | vpb | hmmm |
| 17:13.22 | ljlane | snoke: actually, maybe not |
| 17:13.24 | vpb | i thought if u know |
| 17:13.25 | vpb | visar jusufi |
| 17:13.36 | tarzeau | vpb: he lives in switzerland too? |
| 17:13.43 | vpb | no |
| 17:13.46 | philipp | can anyone recommend a portable mp3 player which he/she knows to work good together with linux |
| 17:13.54 | tarzeau | philipp: please stop repeating |
| 17:13.54 | hedlund | Say I want to install several packages from apt, like xmms, amsn and aterm.. how do I do that with just one command? ie so I don't have to wait |
| 17:13.55 | vpb | but he always stays at some turkish forums |
| 17:14.01 | tarzeau | philipp: channel rules www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 17:14.04 | vpb | ex. www.cigicigi.net |
| 17:14.04 | ljlane | snoke: sorry, must have been thinking of something else |
| 17:14.08 | vpb | i'm not sure |
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| 17:14.31 | tarzeau | vpb: well it would be cool if we (more you) could sell debian cd's in all kosovo! |
| 17:14.31 | vpb | where does agron lives?! switzerland or kosovo? |
| 17:14.35 | hombre | any reason reboot wouldnt reboot? i think it just drops into single user mode |
| 17:14.37 | tarzeau | vpb: switzerland |
| 17:14.43 | snoke | ljlane: yep i just read man and dont see anyting like it |
| 17:14.44 | nvz | philipp: anything that has removable media, and no strange file format or indexing method will work fine |
| 17:14.48 | vpb | but i dont have a shop |
| 17:14.49 | tarzeau | hombre: something's wrong |
| 17:14.55 | tarzeau | vpb: you don't need a shop |
| 17:15.01 | tarzeau | vpb: you get orders by email, maybe telephone |
| 17:15.02 | hombre | tarzeau: agreed |
| 17:15.02 | vpb | but i am always trying to tell people that windows is the best OS for crashes |
| 17:15.11 | vpb | :P |
| 17:15.13 | vpb | ok :) |
| 17:15.13 | tarzeau | vpb: you make that very funny :) |
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| 17:15.36 | vpb | ok :) |
| 17:15.41 | AoH|Spider210 | How/where do I setup symlinks |
| 17:15.41 | tarzeau | vpb: my friend has made, www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-turkey/ |
| 17:15.49 | tarzeau | vpb: you could have a page debian-cd-kosovo |
| 17:15.55 | vpb | ok thx :) |
| 17:15.58 | vpb | i will make a page |
| 17:16.02 | vpb | and i'll inform you |
| 17:16.06 | hombre | what could be broken? |
| 17:16.06 | tarzeau | vpb: one is working on -israel another on -kuwait -armenia is there too! |
| 17:16.11 | vpb | do u have AIM address? |
| 17:16.13 | tarzeau | vpb: yes please! that would be great |
| 17:16.16 | tarzeau | vpb: i have icq |
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| 17:16.35 | tarzeau | vpb: 19519348 |
| 17:16.43 | vpb | and do u have AIM address? |
| 17:16.51 | tarzeau | vpb: no i don't know what is AIM |
| 17:16.58 | sussudio | Distance between Belgrade, Serbia and Istanbul, Turkey, as the crow flies: 502 miles (807 km) (436 nautical miles) |
| 17:17.00 | vpb | AOL INSTANT MESSENGER |
| 17:17.11 | tarzeau | vpb: ANAL INSTANT MESSENGER |
| 17:17.20 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: ln -s |
| 17:17.33 | vpb | you're offline |
| 17:17.34 | tarzeau | vpb: i don't like it! |
| 17:17.44 | hombre | any ideas why "rm -rf" would give me a segmentation fault? |
| 17:17.54 | tarzeau | hombre: something is wrong , again :) |
| 17:17.56 | vpb | rm -fr file |
| 17:18.02 | hombre | tarzeau: like what |
| 17:18.05 | tarzeau | hombre: try gdb rm, run -rf |
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| 17:18.13 | RichiH | hombre: because something is seriously wrong? |
| 17:18.13 | tarzeau | hombre: library maybe? |
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| 17:18.20 | tarzeau | hombre: what exactly did you do? |
| 17:18.28 | vpb | hombre : try rm -fr |
| 17:18.30 | hombre | i did "rm -rf www" www is a dir |
| 17:18.38 | tarzeau | vpb: the order of options doesn't matter |
| 17:18.43 | vpb | tarzeau : are you online on ICQ |
| 17:18.44 | hombre | great now i cant ssh into the box... |
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| 17:18.48 | tarzeau | vpb: yes i am |
| 17:18.58 | tarzeau | vpb: give me your number, i contact you |
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| 17:19.02 | vpb | maybe you gave me wrong the number |
| 17:19.07 | tarzeau | eric: hi eric! do you know sprite? |
| 17:19.11 | vpb | are you with Gaim?! |
| 17:19.12 | tarzeau | vpb: no i didn't |
| 17:19.16 | eric | anyone know That. The G of GNU standard for what? |
| 17:19.23 | tarzeau | can someone try 19519348 on icq please? |
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| 17:19.30 | mati | hey |
| 17:19.30 | sussudio | eric: gnu |
| 17:19.30 | tarzeau | eric: GNU |
| 17:19.40 | tarzeau | eric: is not unix (the rest) |
| 17:19.46 | xenohugs | noo |
| 17:19.46 | AoH|Spider210 | should ln -s /var/www /home/blahblah/public_html work? |
| 17:19.49 | tarzeau | hi mati |
| 17:19.56 | tarzeau | mati: would you like to sell debian cd's in estonia? |
| 17:20.08 | mati | umm |
| 17:20.13 | mati | i dont think so |
| 17:20.16 | mati | :( |
| 17:20.17 | tarzeau | mati: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ you could be listed there and get FAMOUS! |
| 17:20.18 | eric | N=Not U=UNIX but what about G? |
| 17:20.23 | hombre | how can i check to see if a harddrive is fucked up or not? |
| 17:20.27 | tarzeau | eric: GNU |
| 17:20.32 | sussudio | hombre: dna samples? |
| 17:20.33 | mati | i want to install it first :p |
| 17:20.33 | vpb | tarzeau : check the number |
| 17:20.37 | tarzeau | eric: www.gnu.org |
| 17:20.41 | petemc | eric: its a recursive acronymn, look at gnu.org |
| 17:20.47 | tarzeau | vpb: 19519348 |
| 17:20.48 | nvz | hombre: is it making loud clicking noises? |
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| 17:20.58 | tarzeau | vpb: give me your number! |
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| 17:21.05 | hombre | no but fresh debian installs crap out left and right.. |
| 17:21.06 | vpb | i dont have a number |
| 17:21.06 | mati | someone told me that i need the first two cd's to install a nice desktop system but what is on the rest of the cd's |
| 17:21.08 | keyz | lo |
| 17:21.10 | vpb | but i am using gaim |
| 17:21.11 | tarzeau | mati: that's fine |
| 17:21.15 | RichiH | hombre: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 17:21.15 | vpb | an i logged with aol account |
| 17:21.17 | tarzeau | mati: the first one is enough |
| 17:21.19 | vpb | try |
| 17:21.23 | vpb | canirocker@aol.com |
| 17:21.24 | tarzeau | mati: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 17:21.27 | vpb | to add |
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| 17:21.30 | tarzeau | vpb: no give me the number |
| 17:21.38 | vpb | i dont have ICQ |
| 17:21.41 | mati | tarzeau well i dont want to download any packages over internet |
| 17:21.42 | tarzeau | vpb: my icq client is crippled because i don't like icq neither |
| 17:21.45 | vpb | maybe i have to signup |
| 17:21.54 | vpb | new one |
| 17:22.00 | tarzeau | mati: is internet difficult/expensive in estonia? |
| 17:22.08 | mati | no i have dsl |
| 17:22.08 | tarzeau | mati: or are you concerned about security/privacy? |
| 17:22.11 | mati | 256k |
| 17:22.16 | nvz | I've got a few hundred ICQ accounts if you want one.. heh |
| 17:22.18 | mati | its just kinda slow |
| 17:22.23 | eric | thanks you all so much |
| 17:22.38 | tarzeau | mati: you must catch the bus? |
| 17:22.50 | mati | tarzeau no |
| 17:22.53 | nvz | I noticed that ICQ numbers were only getting bigger, so I made many long ago, and also took over ones that were to be abandonded by users |
| 17:22.58 | vpb | nvz : half of ICQ database is with your usernames :P |
| 17:23.02 | tarzeau | nvz: hahahaha |
| 17:23.02 | mati | ok ill just get the first one then tarzeau |
| 17:23.03 | vpb | lol. |
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| 17:23.11 | tarzeau | mati: very good! |
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| 17:23.35 | tarzeau | nvz: will you buy icq? |
| 17:23.53 | nvz | buy it? as in the client or as in the company? |
| 17:23.59 | tarzeau | nvz: latter |
| 17:24.00 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: Reverse the order of the last two command line arguments. |
| 17:24.01 | mati | how many people are there in this room |
| 17:24.01 | sussudio | tarzeau: i want my turkish neighbours to die horribly |
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| 17:24.08 | tarzeau | mati: 600 +- 50 |
| 17:24.13 | MightyMark | I've got a good one for you guys: I installed true type fonts and a ttf server, and now eterm loads incredibly slowly, and responds just as slowly to closing the terminal, or changing any options with its menu system, any clues on how to fix this? |
| 17:24.14 | mati | hehe :D |
| 17:24.17 | tarzeau | sussudio: i'm glad i'm not your neighbour |
| 17:24.18 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont have that kind of money, AOL isnt going to loosen their grip on it anyhow |
| 17:24.21 | tarzeau | sussudio: wtf did they do? |
| 17:24.31 | sussudio | tarzeau: they keep making this crap food that chokes my throat |
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| 17:24.42 | tarzeau | MightyMark: i always hated eterm, tried #e yet? |
| 17:24.53 | MightyMark | on this server? |
| 17:24.54 | tarzeau | sussudio: like that? www.soda.mine.nu/food/ ? |
| 17:24.56 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: Apache might not like that. Not sure. But the link should otherwise work. |
| 17:25.01 | tarzeau | sussudio: they are not really turkish, are they? |
| 17:25.08 | sussudio | tarzeau: mother/daughter turks |
| 17:25.18 | tarzeau | sussudio: photo? |
| 17:25.28 | tarzeau | sussudio: why do you have to eat? |
| 17:25.36 | sussudio | tarzeau: wtf would i want a photo of that crap for? |
| 17:25.50 | sussudio | tarzeau: i'm not eating it, the stench is coming from there |
| 17:25.58 | AoH|Spider210 | whats the command to list the users and groups ? |
| 17:26.03 | tarzeau | sussudio: what's the stench? the fotos are made, is very good food |
| 17:26.04 | vpb | tarzeau : what ICQ program do u use in debian? |
| 17:26.09 | tarzeau | sussudio: i don't know what they serve you... |
| 17:26.15 | tarzeau | vpb: ickle, but i hate it |
| 17:26.21 | sussudio | tarzeau: IT STINKS TO HIGH HELL I AM NOT EATING IT |
| 17:26.25 | tarzeau | vpb: i only have it because some people don't grasp irc |
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| 17:26.41 | tarzeau | sussudio: something is wrong with the food of your neighbours |
| 17:26.54 | sussudio | tarzeau: yes, they are using dead animals or whatever, it's unbearable |
| 17:27.00 | tarzeau | sussudio: hah |
| 17:27.09 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: My tendency is to actually look at the file where the users are stored, and the file where the groups are stored. |
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| 17:27.17 | sussudio | tarzeau: it's not funny, the smell of it it closing up my throat |
| 17:27.25 | FordPrefect | hi all i have a problem i am using debian and i try to rip a cd with grip. As root no problem, but as user i only get the directory but no files...any suggestion ?? |
| 17:27.25 | sussudio | tarzeau: i want them to die in a pool of blood |
| 17:27.32 | tarzeau | sussudio: do you know nethack? |
| 17:27.38 | tarzeau | sussudio: you can name monsters in there with C |
| 17:27.43 | RichiH | sussudio: as long as you can rant, you are happy, eh? |
| 17:27.47 | tarzeau | sussudio: what is the name of your neighbours? |
| 17:27.55 | sussudio | RichiH: be quiet. |
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| 17:28.01 | tarzeau | RichiH: hehe he always does it |
| 17:28.01 | c | STFU |
| 17:28.08 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: So 'less /etc/passwd', and 'less /etc/groups' |
| 17:28.09 | c | STOP USING MY NAME |
| 17:28.11 | AoH|Spider210 | is there a command just to list |
| 17:28.15 | mati | tarzeau im not going to sell debian because im not this active person and im undersaged and stuff :-P |
| 17:28.17 | Zentrix | i'm getting a 30% packet loss when pinging my Linksys router + a bunch of dupes, it's not the cable, so what could be wrong? (could it be my routing table?) |
| 17:28.24 | RichiH | c: haha, go play |
| 17:28.31 | RichiH | sussudio: no |
| 17:28.32 | mati | and im really lazy tarzeau :p |
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| 17:28.32 | tarzeau | mati: do you have debian friends in estonia? |
| 17:28.33 | sussudio | tarzeau: don't know, don't care. they're antisocial idiots. |
| 17:28.37 | RichiH | tarzeau: unfortunately, yes |
| 17:28.44 | mati | tarzeau no :( |
| 17:28.44 | tarzeau | mati: it would be maybe 0 - 10 cd's / month |
| 17:29.08 | tarzeau | mati: well if you don't want to get rich.... |
| 17:29.08 | c | tarzeau: no |
| 17:29.22 | mati | hehe |
| 17:29.26 | c | selling debian CDs? |
| 17:29.31 | mati | sorry :I |
| 17:29.32 | tarzeau | c: hehe i was kidding |
| 17:29.38 | keyz | anybody know what is the port for the mouse of a toshiba satellite 2060cds (the little button in the midldle of the keyboard? |
| 17:29.46 | mati | you were tarzeau ? |
| 17:29.48 | eric | Must I install X before KDE? |
| 17:29.58 | mati | eric probably |
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| 17:30.11 | c | keyz standard |
| 17:30.18 | tarzeau | eric: no |
| 17:30.19 | keyz | ok thanks |
| 17:30.20 | c | i have some old toshiblas |
| 17:30.24 | vpb | tarzeau : do u have any gentoo cd |
| 17:30.24 | c | yo |
| 17:30.30 | nvz | c: you throw a \ and a > on there and you could be a dos prompt |
| 17:30.32 | petemc | keyz: psaux prolly, some people call those things "nipples" |
| 17:30.32 | vpb | for full install |
| 17:30.37 | tarzeau | vpb: i'm not an idiot |
| 17:30.38 | c | everything is goign fucking trackpad now |
| 17:30.40 | RichiH | nvz: heh |
| 17:30.46 | c | no more nipple mouse |
| 17:30.57 | vpb | tarzeau : i know that you're not :P but i asked |
| 17:31.00 | eric | ... I really want to setup a runable KDE. so what should I do? |
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| 17:31.04 | tarzeau | vpb: idiot's have gentoo cd's |
| 17:31.04 | c | Yo |
| 17:31.07 | c | FUCK |
| 17:31.09 | RichiH | some manufacturer is producing laptops that have both |
| 17:31.10 | tarzeau | vpb: do you have a gentoo cd? |
| 17:31.15 | tarzeau | vpb: is like asking: are you idiot? |
| 17:31.20 | c | why they getting rid of the nipple mouses> |
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| 17:31.28 | teknotus | AoH|Spider210: Probably. Don't know the name of one though. |
| 17:31.31 | keyz | ok i didn't know the name, this would be better to find |
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| 17:31.39 | Zentrix | c: learning curve too steep |
| 17:31.51 | FordPrefect | @eric yes you need x before installing kde |
| 17:31.51 | vpb | tarzeau : well , gentoo doesnt have any big difference between debian |
| 17:31.57 | vpb | gento = emerge |
| 17:31.59 | Jeedo | how do i grep out output thats sent to stderr not stdin ? |
| 17:32.01 | Jeedo | time|greap real for example |
| 17:32.02 | tarzeau | vpb: PLEASE |
| 17:32.02 | vpb | debian = apt-get |
| 17:32.07 | vpb | tarzeau : ok :) |
| 17:32.13 | RichiH | vpb: erm |
| 17:32.14 | tarzeau | vpb: do not lie! |
| 17:32.16 | hedlund | What command do you use to get aterm transperant? |
| 17:32.17 | keyz | c: and ps/2 for the mouse? |
| 17:32.23 | tam9 | ~gentoo |
| 17:32.25 | | it has been said that gentoo is a high-performance ports-based Linux metadistribution for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. Its got a ports like system. It rules all other inferior distributions. And he reminds me of BSD |
| 17:32.25 | nvz | hedlund: man aterm |
| 17:32.31 | FordPrefect | hi all i have a problem i am using debian and i try to rip a cd with grip. As root no problem, but as user i only get the directory but no files...any suggestion ?? |
| 17:32.33 | hedlund | nvz: OK |
| 17:32.34 | nvz | hedlund: is what I used, now I do aterm -tr |
| 17:32.42 | tarzeau | hedlund: aterm -tr -sh 69 -rv +sb -sl 1000 -fn lime |
| 17:32.46 | jasioxx | (in slackware I can use pkgtool/exit |
| 17:32.48 | vpb | tarzeau : what do u think about Libranet? |
| 17:32.52 | RichiH | ~factinfo gentoo |
| 17:32.52 | | gentoo -- last modified at Tue Jan 21 18:50:09 2003 by chouimat!~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca; it has been requested 10 times, last by tam9, 27s ago. |
| 17:32.53 | nvz | hedlund: but read the manpage has many other interesting features |
| 17:33.08 | tarzeau | vpb: you better don't ask me, or you get disappointed |
| 17:33.10 | eric | What is the exact package name of X? |
| 17:33.19 | tarzeau | eric: x what? client or server? |
| 17:33.24 | vpb | tarzeau : ok |
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| 17:33.32 | streuner | eric: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:33.34 | nvz | hedlund: for example -tr doesnt apply to the scroll bar, and its only psuedo transparency, but it can be tinted or shaded |
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| 17:33.53 | dothebart | hya... |
| 17:34.04 | pbrook | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.18 | vpb | tarzeau : if i make my page for selling debian cd who do u think will buy cd-s from me?! |
| 17:34.19 | teknotus | eric: x-window-system |
| 17:34.21 | eric | oh. I want to setup KDE on my local machine. Should I install X server and client both before? |
| 17:34.24 | vpb | peoples from kosovo? |
| 17:34.29 | tarzeau | vpb: yes |
| 17:34.30 | FordPrefect | eric use the bonzai debian cd 180 mb and x will be installes after that just write in the shell as root apt-get install kde ...thats it |
| 17:34.31 | dothebart | i've got a box with a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status... |
| 17:34.40 | tarzeau | vpb: we will set up an entry for www.debian.org/CD/vendors for you! |
| 17:34.48 | teknotus | eric: that is the metapackage name for all the stuff that is part of X |
| 17:34.51 | vpb | ok :) |
| 17:34.53 | tarzeau | vpb: alot of people visit that page, and some will be from kosovo |
| 17:34.56 | Serbitar | how would i go about making the (decompressed) root.bin filesystem larger (8MB) |
| 17:34.57 | dothebart | using the old state and upgrading to the current state won't work... |
| 17:35.06 | tarzeau | vpb: and they will be happy and proud they can order debian cd's in kosovo |
| 17:35.07 | vpb | tarzeau : ok :) |
| 17:35.16 | tarzeau | vpb: you have my email address still? |
| 17:35.17 | teknotus | eric: you can install them both at the same time. |
| 17:35.22 | vpb | yes |
| 17:35.26 | petemc | Serbitar: prolly best asking in #debian-boot |
| 17:35.28 | tarzeau | vpb: hasan, right? |
| 17:35.41 | tarzeau | vpb: what is "happy new year" in kosovo language? |
| 17:35.43 | dothebart | is there a way to find the line which iretates apt? |
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| 17:36.00 | vpb | hoh |
| 17:36.07 | vpb | i thought your email is up |
| 17:36.08 | vpb | but not |
| 17:36.18 | vpb | can u tell me again |
| 17:36.21 | vpb | i have to write |
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| 17:36.26 | tarzeau | vpb: you will make the page in kosovo language, right? |
| 17:36.26 | vpb | somewere in text file |
| 17:36.30 | tarzeau | vpb: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 17:36.46 | vpb | happy new year = urime vitin e ri |
| 17:36.54 | vpb | i will make in two languages |
| 17:36.57 | vpb | english and albanian |
| 17:37.02 | eric | What's the commnand in order let me to apt-get and install workable KDE and X? Any other things I need? |
| 17:37.14 | tarzeau | eric: use tasksel |
| 17:37.22 | tarzeau | eric: read www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
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| 17:37.36 | tarzeau | eric: look at knoppix |
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| 17:37.45 | tarzeau | eric: you will be disappointed |
| 17:37.48 | tarzeau | eric: with gnome or kde |
| 17:38.49 | eric | why disappointed with KDE or grome? |
| 17:38.50 | teknotus | tarzeau: are you recommending another window manager to eric? |
| 17:39.31 | tarzeau | teknotus: yes anything but kde or gnome |
| 17:39.38 | tarzeau | teknotus: even a desktop environment |
| 17:39.41 | NOeLBaBa | s there anyone who ýnterested ýcultreand polýtýc |
| 17:39.41 | jc|ibook | lol |
| 17:39.45 | tarzeau | teknotus: either xfce or GNUstep |
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| 17:40.07 | vpb | tarzeau : i am trying to create an account in ICQ at i get this message Registration attempt timed out . Would you like to try again? |
| 17:40.08 | jc|ibook | lol |
| 17:40.19 | tarzeau | vpb: if you give me your icq number |
| 17:40.21 | jc|ibook | ahhh kde is sooo sexy |
| 17:40.28 | jc|ibook | wild sexy kkde |
| 17:40.33 | jc|ibook | :D |
| 17:40.37 | holycow | kde kix ass :) |
| 17:40.42 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: na warte, am freitag ist LUG! |
| 17:40.47 | vpb | tarzeau, but i dont have any ICQ Number |
| 17:40.52 | jc|ibook | rofl |
| 17:40.54 | vpb | tarzeau, i am trying to create a new one |
| 17:40.56 | tarzeau | vpb: well you can't use icq then |
| 17:41.02 | tarzeau | vpb: good idea! |
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| 17:41.17 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: #debian-kde |
| 17:41.19 | ralf | Hi |
| 17:41.20 | eric | I just want to setup a simple graphical interface by startx. taskel is easier than apt-get? |
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| 17:41.29 | tarzeau | ciao ralf |
| 17:41.42 | tarzeau | eric: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 17:41.43 | vpb | tarzeau, if my page is hosted in debian.org/CD/vendor.... |
| 17:41.52 | teknotus | tarzeau: but there are many gnome, and kde apps that are nice that you need kde, or gnome core to run even if you aren't using the whole kde, or gnome desktops |
| 17:41.52 | ralf | ciao tarzeau |
| 17:41.54 | vpb | will i have any email account from debian.org? |
| 17:41.58 | eric | thanks |
| 17:42.02 | tarzeau | vpb: no only a link is hosted there, but i can host it on www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-kosovo/ |
| 17:42.10 | ralf | tarzeau: sei Italiano? |
| 17:42.15 | jc|ibook | heh i dont really like kde :P |
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| 17:42.26 | jc|ibook | just quoted "http://desktops.linux.com/desktops/03/12/22/0914204.shtml?tid=49" |
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| 17:42.41 | jc|ibook | suse rules cos of the wild-and-sexy kde desktop |
| 17:42.46 | vpb | tarzeau, how did you create the ICQ number? |
| 17:42.48 | tarzeau | ralf: no, sono turko! |
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| 17:42.57 | tarzeau | vpb: i don't remember |
| 17:43.12 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: suse is crap, go #suse |
| 17:43.21 | ralf | tarzeau: Qbub' abhull mm? |
| 17:43.26 | jc|ibook | hehe |
| 17:43.31 | vpb | tarzeau, why you hate all the distros? |
| 17:43.32 | tarzeau | vpb: no unless you will learn make debian packages and then apply to get a debian developer |
| 17:43.39 | tarzeau | vpb: www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 17:43.54 | tarzeau | vpb: because i tried them, and they dissatisfied me badly |
| 17:43.56 | jc|ibook | tarzeau: du nimmst das nicht etwa ernst? |
| 17:44.13 | vpb | tarzeau, you mean to make any program for debian? |
| 17:44.14 | tarzeau | vpb: they made me suffer, and have bad dreams, and got me sleepless nights |
| 17:44.31 | tarzeau | vpb: i could not sleep for several nights, when i used suse, same with redhat, i haven't even tried gentoo |
| 17:44.43 | tarzeau | vpb: yes that, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 17:44.48 | tarzeau | vpb: well no, just package software for it |
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| 17:45.01 | tarzeau | ralf: i don't understand that, i only understand turkish, was that arab? |
| 17:45.11 | vpb | tarzeau, you mean a package installer?! |
| 17:45.11 | tarzeau | vpb: i don't really hate them, i only dislike them |
| 17:45.15 | Steph[eN] | well, anybody here who installed the nvidia driver manually |
| 17:45.23 | tarzeau | vpb: no a package package |
| 17:45.26 | ralf | People say that apt is better than rpm |
| 17:45.32 | teknotus | jc|ibook: Oh I just helped my dad with suse the other day. It was a pain doing a lot of stuff I can do so easily in debian. |
| 17:45.36 | tarzeau | ralf: dpkg is the equivalent to rpm |
| 17:45.46 | tarzeau | ralf: there's apt ports for rpm systems, but they lack what debian has |
| 17:45.51 | vpb | tarzeau, sorry but i am not understanding you |
| 17:45.59 | jc|ibook | that suse stuff was not serious |
| 17:46.00 | vpb | tarzeau, can you tell me any example? |
| 17:46.03 | tarzeau | ralf: bts, quality, policies, autobuilders, infrastructure, experience, knowledge |
| 17:46.05 | teknotus | ralf: you can use apt with rpm. It has been ported. |
| 17:46.06 | jc|ibook | i dont like suse |
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| 17:46.07 | tarzeau | ralf: and the open mind |
| 17:46.19 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: i have suse friends |
| 17:46.32 | tarzeau | teknotus: i know that feeling |
| 17:46.40 | jc|ibook | jaja |
| 17:46.48 | ralf | I can install rpms with apt? |
| 17:46.49 | tarzeau | vpb: no, or i can't sleep tonight |
| 17:46.58 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: yes, tinus in #suse (only one, i have even more!) |
| 17:47.03 | tarzeau | ralf: no but with rpm |
| 17:47.09 | jc|ibook | rpm sucks :) end discussion |
| 17:47.11 | tarzeau | ralf: there is apt for rpm based systems |
| 17:47.12 | tarzeau | ralf: man apt |
| 17:47.18 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: give reasons |
| 17:47.26 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: it's not that bad |
| 17:47.30 | ralf | I have RH9 |
| 17:47.33 | jc|ibook | llol |
| 17:47.39 | tarzeau | ralf: i feel sorry |
| 17:47.51 | tarzeau | ralf: it was your decision? |
| 17:48.01 | ralf | I don't know nothing about apt, dpkg etc. etc |
| 17:48.04 | vpb | tarzeau, how is written this in turkish : qok gyzele |
| 17:48.18 | jc|ibook | u cannot just do rpm install openoffice.org |
| 17:48.20 | jc|ibook | for ex |
| 17:48.20 | ralf | no |
| 17:48.26 | tarzeau | vpb: çok güzel |
| 17:48.28 | tarzeau | vpb: very beautiful |
| 17:48.30 | vpb | tarzeau, jakshamllar , |
| 17:48.40 | ralf | RedHat Magazine 9.B 7.95 EUR! |
| 17:48.42 | vpb | tarzeau, nerde , burda |
| 17:48.45 | caphuso | jc|ibook: you cannot just do "dpkg install openoffice.org" either, so what's your point? |
| 17:48.46 | tarzeau | vpb: don't say that to women directly while you point to their tits |
| 17:48.49 | ralf | That was my decision |
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| 17:49.14 | tarzeau | vpb: iyi aksamlar (good evening), nerde (where?), burda (here!) |
| 17:49.21 | satch | how do I edit runlevels in debian ? |
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| 17:49.33 | petemc | satch: why do you want to do that? |
| 17:49.44 | teknotus | ralf: you can install a version of apt that has been ported to rpm in a red hat system. |
| 17:49.46 | caphuso | satch: ln and rm work fine |
| 17:49.46 | ralf | vi |
| 17:49.55 | vpb | tarzeau, my friend speaks turkish perfect |
| 17:50.10 | vpb | i'm not sure but his dad is from turkey |
| 17:50.11 | satch | caphuso: I dont understand |
| 17:50.15 | tarzeau | vpb: are you working on the page already? |
| 17:50.24 | vpb | yes |
| 17:50.26 | caphuso | satch: then you need to clarify what you mean by "edit runlevels" |
| 17:50.29 | tarzeau | vpb: hehe nice :) |
| 17:50.31 | vpb | now i am making just simple |
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| 17:50.37 | vpb | and later i'll make better :) |
| 17:50.42 | vpb | http://geocities.com/rasha_pr/vpb.htm |
| 17:50.44 | tarzeau | vpb: simple task, simple solution, that is good |
| 17:50.45 | vpb | my test site |
| 17:50.58 | jc|ibook | caphuso: no apt |
| 17:51.03 | satch | caphuso: set things I want to start/stop in a various runlevel and add new things i install to a certain runlevel |
| 17:51.09 | caphuso | jc|ibook: parse error |
| 17:51.10 | tarzeau | vpb: i mean on the debian cd selling in kosovo page! |
| 17:51.15 | tarzeau | vpb: i can't view your this page |
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| 17:51.22 | teknotus | satch: update-rc.d |
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| 17:51.25 | vpb | yes |
| 17:51.32 | caphuso | satch: gotcha. use rm and ln, or update-rc.d if you have too much time on your hands |
| 17:51.40 | ralf | tarzeau: sei Svizzero? |
| 17:51.49 | tarzeau | apt tarzeau |
| 17:51.50 | | somebody said tarzeau was http://www.linuks.mine.nu, or sengun@hispeed.ch. NOT swiss, only living in switzerland, or looking for a job that has something to do with networking and development based on debian, http://www.guerkan.ch |
| 17:51.53 | satch | how do I use rm and ln ? |
| 17:51.53 | tarzeau | ralf: for you |
| 17:51.54 | jc|ibook | caphuso: sry |
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| 17:52.23 | satch | i mean |
| 17:52.25 | teknotus | satch: it is in the debian reference. |
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| 17:52.31 | satch | i know i to use ln and rm :) |
| 17:52.34 | tarzeau | jc|ibook: hilf lieber satch! |
| 17:52.36 | satch | ok |
| 17:52.40 | satch | where can I find that at ? |
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| 17:52.48 | Kraig | man rm |
| 17:52.50 | Kraig | lol |
| 17:52.54 | jc|ibook | tarzeau: was prob? |
| 17:52.59 | tarzeau | read the funky manual! |
| 17:53.03 | teknotus | satch: debian.org/doc |
| 17:53.16 | mati | LOL |
| 17:53.19 | mati | funky :D |
| 17:53.21 | mati | :) |
| 17:53.24 | tarzeau | it's not funky? |
| 17:53.30 | ralf | what are the difference between apt and dpkg? |
| 17:53.35 | mati | well maybe its freaky :) |
| 17:53.56 | tarzeau | ralf: dpkg installs packages |
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| 17:54.12 | Kraig | lol mati |
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| 17:54.16 | tarzeau | ralf: apt can display infos about packages, show dependencies, maintainer, and download all packages one package needs |
| 17:54.26 | tarzeau | ralf: some software has really interesting dependencies |
| 17:54.31 | tarzeau | ralf: www.linuks.mine.nu/depmap/ |
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| 17:55.06 | tarzeau | ralf: add squid.png or apache.png to that url to see the deps of that, graphically |
| 17:55.12 | Hagar | is there a place to get old debian packages? I'm searching for php4-gd2 3:4.3.2+rc3-1 |
| 17:55.22 | tarzeau | Hagar: testing, if you're on sid |
| 17:55.24 | ralf | --- |
| 17:55.27 | tarzeau | Hagar: or /var/cache/apt somewhere |
| 17:55.32 | tarzeau | Hagar: /var for sure |
| 17:55.35 | Hagar | k |
| 17:55.36 | tarzeau | Hagar: if you never do apt-get clean |
| 17:55.47 | Hagar | hmm, that might be a problem : |
| 17:55.54 | ralf | What i dpkg? |
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| 17:56.16 | troubled | tarzeau: why dont you /nick tarzxvf? :) |
| 17:56.18 | tarzeau | ralf: the verb is missing |
| 17:56.31 | Hagar | I hope testing will work with sid, but I doubt it |
| 17:56.32 | J_P | people, anyone here know is possible make one automatic LOAD BALANCE with linux as in OpenBSD using pf ? |
| 17:56.41 | tarzeau | troubled: can you spell that? |
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| 17:56.46 | ralf | dpkg is a program? |
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| 17:56.51 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, ralf |
| 17:56.52 | tarzeau | ralf: yes |
| 17:56.56 | troubled | tarzeau: sorry, dont know how, try w-m.com ;) |
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| 17:57.01 | youam | Hagar: snapshots.debian.net |
| 17:57.05 | tarzeau | ralf: and apt has super cow powers, try apt-get moo |
| 17:57.09 | troubled | err m-w.com |
| 17:57.13 | Kraig | ralf: try a debian manual searching in google man |
| 17:57.29 | sussudio | troubled: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian2003.html |
| 17:57.31 | youam | Hagar: snapshot.debian.net, s/shots/shot/ |
| 17:57.44 | ralf | rpm -vi mooo |
| 17:57.45 | tarzeau | troubled: udamn you! crashed my galeon |
| 17:57.52 | tarzeau | troubled: i had some very important urls open! |
| 17:57.55 | troubled | tarzeau: :) |
| 17:58.16 | Datsund | Anyone know a good please where I can get a shall account |
| 17:58.19 | meisterlampe | i want to install winex. since there is no debian pkg i need the srcs but i only found srcs for stable, not for testing .. so, where do i find the right srcs? |
| 17:58.20 | Hagar | thanks youam |
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| 17:58.37 | tarzeau | Datsund: how much would you like to pay for it? |
| 17:58.40 | bbb^ | meisterlampe: there is deb's if you pay :o) |
| 17:58.42 | tarzeau | Datsund: what for? |
| 17:58.51 | Datsund | Its just to host one bot |
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| 17:58.56 | tarzeau | bbb^: debian shell accounts oyu can't buy |
| 17:59.03 | ralf | apt is a sort of frontend for dpkg? |
| 17:59.05 | | ralf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 17:59.20 | vpb | tarzeau, how to write the welcome message?! |
| 17:59.21 | Datsund | To host a trivia bot |
| 17:59.24 | tarzeau | ralf: yes |
| 17:59.27 | NOeLBaBa | hepiniz aptallar sürüsündensiniz |
| 17:59.27 | tarzeau | Datsund: #trivia |
| 17:59.31 | tarzeau | Datsund: there is one, already |
| 17:59.33 | monteiro | when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda to enable dma it gives an error, "operation not permitted" (in root) |
| 17:59.34 | sussudio | yes, the world needs more fucking trivia bots. |
| 17:59.36 | tarzeau | NOeLBaBa: #debian.tr |
| 17:59.51 | tarzeau | vpb: welcome message? |
| 17:59.58 | ralf | dpkg chek for dependencies? |
| 17:59.58 | Datsund | Its for my own room |
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| 18:00.03 | dpkg | ralf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:00.03 | vpb | yes |
| 18:00.05 | meisterlampe | monteiro: dma is enabled in your kernel? |
| 18:00.05 | troubled | sussudio: you still running that pisg site? :) damn, not even on there except for the message you told me in channel (some url) |
| 18:00.17 | bbb^ | meisterlampe: the only other way to get it is, is to build it from source. you can get it over CVS www.transgaming.com |
| 18:00.19 | sussudio | troubled: meh? |
| 18:00.24 | oyoy | Hi, all! Anyone found a 2.6 kernel .deb yet? |
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| 18:00.42 | sussudio | troubled: #51 |
| 18:00.43 | vpb | tarzeau, example : Welcome to the Debian CD vendor of Kosovo |
| 18:00.43 | monteiro | meisterlampe : yes |
| 18:00.45 | vpb | or anything |
| 18:00.54 | nvz | oyoy: yeah I left it out there in the Desert |
| 18:00.59 | meisterlampe | bbb^: i tried to compile it, but it gives me an error. something about lex .. |
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| 18:01.06 | themane | is there a command i can run to search for a phrase within all files on my hard drive? some use of ls and grep perhaps? |
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| 18:01.22 | sussudio | themane: man grep. |
| 18:01.22 | nomeata | themane: grep -r |
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| 18:01.43 | bbb^ | meisterlampe: can't really help anymore than that :( I paid for it since I do a lot of gaming so I always install a binary version of it |
| 18:01.52 | troubled | sussudio: woohooo |
| 18:01.54 | NOeLBaBa | /server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:02.09 | monteiro | meisterlampe : i've enabled , in the option called "generic pci bus-master dma support" |
| 18:02.09 | Flexy | I had a adaptec ide (HW) raid mirror of 2 disks, I removed one disk from that, put it on mobos ide connector, I'm trying to replace the adaptec card with linux sw raid. Is it possible to make sw mirror of the living system with 2 mount points ( / and /usr)? |
| 18:02.09 | sussudio | NOeLBaBa: fuck off |
| 18:02.18 | meisterlampe | bbb^: hm ok. thx :) |
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| 18:02.24 | ralf | someone know a OS named BeOS? |
| 18:02.28 | troubled | sussudio: I remember when I used to have to fight bob2 for #1 spot :) |
| 18:02.33 | nvz | themane: grep -r <phrase> / |
| 18:02.41 | sussudio | troubled: you're bob2's bitch now. |
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| 18:02.45 | troubled | ralf: no...none of us have ever heard of BeOS |
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| 18:02.56 | troubled | sussudio: I know, its pathetic |
| 18:02.59 | vpb | tarzeau, ?? |
| 18:03.08 | sussudio | troubled: at least kawfee didn't make the top100 |
| 18:03.09 | aw | I found a url and I believe it can be used as an apt-get source, how can I know how to form the line for /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 18:03.25 | troubled | sussudio: lol. he's like #101 wasnt he? |
| 18:03.31 | sussudio | troubled: yup. |
| 18:03.40 | nomeata | #1 of what? |
| 18:03.43 | troubled | rofl |
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| 18:03.53 | ralf | can I use jigdo to assemble a DVD of Debian 3.0r2? |
| 18:03.54 | troubled | sussudio: couldnt even make the top 100 lol |
| 18:03.55 | nvz | nomeata: debstats.dontexist.org |
| 18:04.00 | themane | nvz, nomeata, sussudio: thanks |
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| 18:04.14 | Flexy | So, what I want to do, is to make a mirror out of living linux installation without destroying the installation in the creation of sw mirror, is it possible? |
| 18:04.21 | nomeata | oh, nice. statistics. |
| 18:04.44 | nomeata | cool, very distributed acitivity over the day. we alle either not sleep or are very international or both. |
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| 18:04.59 | sussudio | ugly people buying waterbeds. mental. image. bad. |
| 18:05.24 | NOeLBaBa | ü/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.30 | NOeLBaBa | ü/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.33 | sussudio | motherfucker |
| 18:05.36 | NOeLBaBa | ü/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.36 | colde89 | cold mount directoriy (nfs) -directoriy not in host:dir format any idea ?? |
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| 18:05.39 | NOeLBaBa | /server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.45 | NOeLBaBa | /server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
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| 18:05.47 | NOeLBaBa | ü/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.50 | NOeLBaBa | /server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net/server irc.hipir.net |
| 18:05.50 | aw | can i determenie how to make an entry on /etc/apt/sources.list based on the packages file in the url? |
| 18:05.54 | sussudio | NOeLBaBa: get cancer |
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| 18:05.59 | Kraig | NOelBaBa: why don't you try #flood |
| 18:06.01 | Kraig | ? |
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| 18:06.14 | J_P | anyone can help me with Load Balance ? |
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| 18:06.35 | bitflesh | NOeLBaBa: stop it |
| 18:06.51 | troubled | surprised flood bots didnt catch that |
| 18:06.59 | sussudio | debhelper: you suck |
| 18:07.21 | sussudio | troubled: RichiH has ops but he's too busy being a little bitch to me |
| 18:07.27 | troubled | heh |
| 18:07.32 | troubled | wheres simonrvn |
| 18:07.35 | troubled | simonrvn! |
| 18:07.40 | troubled | wake up you zoof |
| 18:07.41 | sussudio | probably spanking it |
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| 18:07.44 | troubled | hehe |
| 18:07.45 | troubled | prollu |
| 18:07.47 | troubled | y |
| 18:07.53 | themane | if I wanted it to write what it finds into a file, shouldn't it just be "grep -r phrase / > filename"? the commandline doesn't seem to like that. |
| 18:08.01 | colde89 | cold mount directoriy (nfs) -directoriy not in host:dir format any idea ?? |
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| 18:08.16 | nomeata | themane: any error messages? |
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| 18:09.09 | themane | oh wait |
| 18:09.10 | themane | working now |
| 18:09.12 | themane | heh |
| 18:09.13 | themane | nevermind |
| 18:09.21 | sussudio | ~tell themane about enter |
| 18:09.23 | pshaggy | I just got X up and running and my mouse is behaving *very* erraticly--to the point of unusability. I'm running kde--any ideas? |
| 18:09.26 | ralf | How can I search text within files caontained in many sub-sub-folders? |
| 18:09.34 | nomeata | ~tell me about enter |
| 18:09.57 | nvz | ralf: grep -r <search text> <parent folder> |
| 18:10.04 | uws | pshaggy: Have you tried using another mouse driver |
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| 18:10.14 | ralf | ohhh! Download get 5 kb/s!!!!!! |
| 18:10.15 | uws | pshaggy: Try PS/2 or ImPS/2 |
| 18:10.20 | ralf | 5.1!!! |
| 18:10.22 | pshaggy | ok |
| 18:10.27 | sussudio | ~tell ralf about ep |
| 18:10.47 | ralf | man ep |
| 18:10.49 | troubled | ep? |
| 18:10.56 | nvz | I average about 350kb/s which is lame |
| 18:10.57 | sussudio | excessive punctuation |
| 18:10.59 | ralf | ep? |
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| 18:11.04 | troubled | ahh |
| 18:11.05 | ralf | ep --help? |
| 18:11.05 | ToreSB | Hello! |
| 18:11.16 | sussudio | hello sealshagger |
| 18:11.24 | ralf | nvz: I have a gprs connection |
| 18:11.31 | NOeLBaBa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.37 | tomf | I've got a server running a (private) debian mirror which might have been compromised - either ways I wanted to reinstall the whole system. I don't want to download all the 15GB of packages though - is it safe if I use debmirror after the reinstallation with the -m option to assure the integrity of the packages? |
| 18:11.43 | nvz | I have a cable connection that is suppose to be 3MB |
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| 18:12.16 | nvz | seems to me I usually get about 1/3MB |
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| 18:12.18 | ralf | where do you live? |
| 18:12.30 | pshaggy | uws you mean I should just type "PS/2" (verbatim) in the mouse section of Xf86config, right? |
| 18:12.32 | try | hi all |
| 18:12.36 | sussudio | nvz: it's -up to- 3Mbits. complain to your ISP. |
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| 18:12.49 | uws | pshaggy: At the Protocol line |
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| 18:12.53 | uws | pshaggy: What does it say now? |
| 18:13.04 | philips | my fonts in regular X apps like xmms and idle look awful, I think it is because of AA, how do I turn it off? |
| 18:13.10 | Fames | I've got a lil' less than 400 files left with jigdo-lite, ABOUT how long will that take on dial-up? |
| 18:13.18 | uws | philips: Do you have AA fonts? |
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| 18:13.25 | philips | uws: yes |
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| 18:13.27 | nvz | sussudio: my ISP is too stupid to handle complaints.. they recently sent me an email telling me that I would be getting incresed speeds of 3MB for no additional charge, then the cable bill went up |
| 18:13.32 | uws | philips: XMMS uses gtk1.2 |
| 18:13.41 | Mag007 | how do I run an X app when I su - user? I exported the DISPLAY, what else do I need to do? |
| 18:13.43 | uws | philips: gtk1.2 doesn't use ant-aliasing (by default) |
| 18:13.55 | philips | uws: well gtk2 and kde3 apps use AA |
| 18:13.57 | uws | philips: Try installing another GTK theme and see if it fixes your problem |
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| 18:14.08 | uws | philips: Yeah, but xmms is not gtk2 but gtk1.2 |
| 18:14.29 | uws | Mag007: man xhost |
| 18:14.31 | philips | uws: I just switched my gtk theme using gtk-theme-switch and nothing |
| 18:14.37 | pshaggy | uws: it did say intellimouse. now x crashes saying: "No core pointer registered" |
| 18:14.42 | Fames | I've got a lil' less than 400 files left with jigdo-lite, ABOUT how long will that take on dial-up? |
| 18:14.45 | uws | Mag007: Or (easy way) enable X forwarding for SSH and ssh -X user@localhost ;-> |
| 18:14.50 | nvz | Mag007: didnt have to do that, I just cp .Xauthority /root and it works, but I wouldnt acrually do something like running an X app that way, I use gk-su or gnome-sudo |
| 18:14.56 | ToreSB | Anyone here know how to edit X keyboard layouts? |
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| 18:15.06 | uws | pshaggy: Hmmm.. that sucks |
| 18:15.06 | Mag007 | uws: its all on the same local machine. |
| 18:15.13 | uws | Mag007: xhost +localhost I guess |
| 18:15.23 | Mag007 | uws: thats what I thought but I get this error |
| 18:15.24 | uws | Mag007: Read the xhost and the xauth manpages |
| 18:15.37 | Mag007 | Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server |
| 18:15.37 | double_c | Mag007: don't do that, /msg apt mit-magic-cookies |
| 18:15.37 | Mag007 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 18:15.37 | Mag007 | xhost: unable to open display "localhost:0.0" |
| 18:15.55 | pshaggy | uws: It launches now that I changed driver back to "mouse" (with protocol set as PS/2) :) |
| 18:15.58 | nvz | or just copy the .Xauthority file to the root home dir, or use gk-su or gnome-sudo like a normal thinking person |
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| 18:16.01 | pshaggy | uws: and it works great. thanks |
| 18:16.06 | uws | pshaggy: Yeah, driver should be mouse; ) |
| 18:16.08 | prock | any ideas here? I can't play cd's (even as root), although I can rip them, and otherwise sound is working just fine |
| 18:16.14 | uws | pshaggy: only change the protocol lines |
| 18:16.15 | ToreSB | I`ve got a mac USB kb on my laptop - Norwegian layout. It doesn`t have any brackets, so I need to make it act like a en_US kb. However, there are three keys here that aren`t in use, so I want to use those as the norwegian letters æ, ø and å |
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| 18:16.25 | uws | pshaggy: Does your mousewheel work? |
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| 18:17.13 | Mave | Mag007: export XAUTHORITY=/home/luser/.Xauthority |
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| 18:17.32 | oskie | clamav default virus database update is 5 times a day! isn't that a bit too often, considering server and bandwidth load? |
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| 18:18.00 | oskie | (not my own server then) |
| 18:18.00 | uws | Mag007: I really recommend using sudo |
| 18:18.00 | nvz | amen |
| 18:18.09 | uws | nvz: :) |
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| 18:18.26 | nvz | praise $DIETY |
| 18:18.28 | troubled | knoppix: get outta' here! |
| 18:18.32 | try | is there an client/server app which can recieve/stream my tv sound throgh my network? i want to watch tv remotely - with sound ! thanks for any suggestions ... |
| 18:18.32 | nvz | or $SAVIOR |
| 18:18.39 | troubled | knoppix: go to your own damn channel damnit! |
| 18:18.49 | Mave | oskie: update should be daily IMO :) |
| 18:18.51 | Mag007 | I am asking because its for an Oracle Installer. |
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| 18:18.58 | troubled | someone really has to ban all knoppix user id's :) |
| 18:19.00 | Mag007 | I need to su - oracle to install the product :p |
| 18:19.17 | tarzeau | vpb: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-turkey/ look there for an example |
| 18:19.18 | nvz | troubled: thats been suggested many times and denied |
| 18:19.23 | tarzeau | vpb: your proposed title is good too |
| 18:19.42 | troubled | .mx? |
| 18:19.43 | eric | I just setup a text-base simple debian. What should I need to setup a workable KDE? what should I apt-get before? |
| 18:19.51 | troubled | apt: .mx |
| 18:19.53 | | from memory, .mx is Mexico |
| 18:20.08 | troubled | cool, a mexican client |
| 18:20.18 | philips | uws: I just switched my gtk theme using gtk-theme-switch and the fonts still look distorted. |
| 18:20.20 | Mag007 | Mave: that does not do anything...still the same exact error |
| 18:20.23 | philips | uws: would you like to see a screen shot |
| 18:20.26 | troubled | nvz: no worries, I can be rude anough to make them quit on their own |
| 18:20.44 | tarzeau | philips: gnome1 or 2? |
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| 18:20.46 | uws | philips: sure |
| 18:20.49 | tarzeau | philips: there's switch2, too |
| 18:20.57 | philips | gnome1 |
| 18:21.12 | tarzeau | sadist |
| 18:21.16 | Mave | Mag007: s/luser/user_who_started_or_loggedin_X |
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| 18:21.30 | walde | I am looking for a program to check the drive-integrity. Smart-check seems to fail due to interrupt problems. |
| 18:21.34 | tarzeau | err masochist |
| 18:21.38 | eric | any informat can I found on NET can help me setup X and KDE? |
| 18:21.45 | Mag007 | Mave: thanks..brb |
| 18:21.48 | oskie | what f**king user name is 'Debian-exim'? i wonder if that was intentional... |
| 18:21.48 | tarzeau | eric: #debian-kde |
| 18:22.02 | eric | thanks |
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| 18:22.08 | nvz | I said cp .Xauthorty /root twice now that would work reguardless without even considering who's logged in, when you su you are in the users home dir still |
| 18:22.09 | troubled | walde: you mean like fsck? or a surface tester? |
| 18:22.17 | tarzeau | poor #debian-kde |
| 18:22.20 | tarzeau | hihi |
| 18:22.27 | walde | troubled, I need a surface tester... |
| 18:22.32 | oskie | tarzeau: what happened..? |
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| 18:22.44 | nvz | should be using sudo, gnome-sudo, or gksu anyhow |
| 18:22.49 | walde | troubled without destroying (or it should try not to destroy) stored data |
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| 18:22.51 | Mave | tarzeau: looking at the page you've pasted, 4M TL is too expensive :/ |
| 18:22.52 | tarzeau | oskie: eric was asking hundredtwenty times about setting up kde in debian, he was in console |
| 18:22.57 | troubled | walde: go to the company that makes your drive. They usually always gove away some copy of ontrack |
| 18:23.04 | tarzeau | oskie: i moved him into #debian-kde |
| 18:23.05 | oskie | tarzeau: oh..gotcha |
| 18:23.11 | walde | troubled nice idea, thx |
| 18:23.15 | troubled | np |
| 18:23.25 | tarzeau | Mave: you can setup another page to sell debian cd's or contact the vendor there |
| 18:23.32 | tarzeau | Mave: and take over, if you want, sell cheaper |
| 18:23.42 | tarzeau | Mave: if you don't, don't say it's expensive |
| 18:23.52 | Mave | tarzeau: linux34.com is selling for half of the price |
| 18:23.53 | ralf | to all: apt i a bot? |
| 18:24.01 | troubled | tarzeau: I wish they had a command opers could use to move users into other channels. well, chan opers, not server opers as Im sure they probably can :) |
| 18:24.08 | tarzeau | Mave: you can buy cd's there, then |
| 18:24.17 | philips | uws: http://oregonstate.edu/~philipsb/fonts.png |
| 18:24.23 | tarzeau | Mave: my friend is selling it for TL 4m and he makes the covers nice too! |
| 18:24.34 | nvz | hell if you are a real moron, you could ln -s /root/.Xauthority /home/luser/.Xauthority, and then you can always run X apps as root like and idiot.. yay! |
| 18:24.39 | philips | Anyone know what could be causing this font problem: http://oregonstate.edu/~philipsb/fonts.png |
| 18:24.40 | tarzeau | philips: yes it looks ugly |
| 18:24.43 | Mave | tarzeau: yes covers look nice I admit :) |
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| 18:25.17 | ralf | apt is a bot? |
| 18:25.20 | | no idea, ralf |
| 18:25.20 | tarzeau | apt tell philips about repeat |
| 18:25.25 | tarzeau | apt are you a bot? |
| 18:25.29 | | tarzeau: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:25.33 | tarzeau | apt gender |
| 18:25.35 | | I'm gay |
| 18:25.39 | tarzeau | ralf: yes he is |
| 18:25.41 | troubled | apt: wb |
| 18:25.43 | | thx |
| 18:25.46 | tarzeau | ralf: do you want his phonenumber? |
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| 18:25.47 | troubled | apt: where have you been? |
| 18:25.49 | | out drinking with the bots. |
| 18:25.59 | tarzeau | troubled: hehe |
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| 18:26.21 | philips | tarzeau: I wasn't repeating, I was simply focusing the question ;) |
| 18:26.21 | ralf | it say thing like "parse error: XXXXXXX" |
| 18:26.22 | Mave | apt: bot snack |
| 18:26.22 | | Mave: thanks |
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| 18:26.38 | Mave | bah it's too polite. |
| 18:26.40 | tarzeau | philips: ah sorry, then |
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| 18:27.11 | sussudio | ~buttsnack |
| 18:27.15 | | Man, I'd rather have a doughnut... |
| 18:27.35 | tarzeau | RichiH: did you see that? |
| 18:27.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: hey are you here? |
| 18:27.49 | tarzeau | ribnitz: joyeux anné, how are you? |
| 18:27.50 | ribnitz | tarzeau: just back |
| 18:27.56 | uws | philips: Is that a webbrowser? |
| 18:27.57 | sussudio | ricII: you're next on tarzeau's list |
| 18:28.01 | ribnitz | tarzeau: to you too.. |
| 18:28.05 | tarzeau | ribnitz: liberté, fraternité et egalité, true? |
| 18:28.13 | ralf | How did I pronounce 'Debian'? |
| 18:28.15 | uws | philips: If so, which one? |
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| 18:28.22 | sussudio | ralf: Deb Ian |
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| 18:28.25 | uws | philips: Have you tried mozilla-firebird with xft support? |
| 18:28.29 | J_P | where i find backport openwebmail for woody people ? |
| 18:28.30 | philips | uws: that is emacs |
| 18:28.38 | ribnitz | tarzeau: no, despairing over the new adsl connection. need to set up interfaces with two ips on the same card |
| 18:28.44 | uws | philips: Ah, I'm not an emacs user :) |
| 18:28.49 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you know how, right? |
| 18:28.53 | Steph[eN] | deb--> debora? ian ? |
| 18:28.55 | uws | philips: Emacs doesn't use gtk2? |
| 18:28.58 | sinclaird | everytime i try to sync my palm tungsten using 2.6.0 and visor module i get a kernel oops. It seems like others on google have the same problem. How do i log the oops to file a bug report? |
| 18:29.11 | philips | uws: nope, it uses direct X drawing if I remember right |
| 18:29.25 | uws | philips: that sucks... forget about anti-aliasing |
| 18:29.29 | sussudio | ~smack streuner |
| 18:29.32 | | ACTION smacks streuner upside the head. |
| 18:29.35 | streuner | :-) |
| 18:29.36 | ribnitz | tarzeau: if the docs were for the actual version of the product... |
| 18:29.37 | uws | philips: Or switch to vim-gtk2 ;p |
| 18:29.41 | tarzeau | streuner: i've had a few songs of him too |
| 18:29.43 | hedlund | hmm, why isn't mplayer and irssi in the apt "archive"? |
| 18:29.50 | Mave | hedlund: irssi is |
| 18:29.51 | philips | uws: I don't care about AA, I just want my fonts not to look gross in other toolkits. |
| 18:29.55 | uws | philips: Try to pick another font |
| 18:29.57 | troubled | sinclaird: in /usr/src/linux/Documentation, theres info in one of the readmes on how to document oop's iirc |
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| 18:29.59 | streuner | tarzeau: great House music |
| 18:30.01 | tarzeau | Steph[eN]: ian is captived by the lesbians, www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 18:30.02 | philips | uws: doesn't work |
| 18:30.08 | tarzeau | Steph[eN]: they want him to make the best os for them |
| 18:30.15 | uws | philips: Try a terminal font |
| 18:30.15 | Fames | apt~ Jigdo-lite has about 400 files left on the first CD of Woody, how long should it take on dial-up? |
| 18:30.16 | philips | uws: If I could figure out how to turn off AA altogether that would work |
| 18:30.24 | tarzeau | Steph[eN]: we have no idea where he is! a secret island probably |
| 18:30.27 | hedlund | Mave : It says: "package irssi has no installion candidate" |
| 18:30.27 | uws | philips: It's nog AA you're seeing |
| 18:30.35 | uws | philips: It's a very badly scaled bitmap font |
| 18:30.38 | uws | I guess |
| 18:30.40 | tarzeau | hedlund: irssi is, irssi-text |
| 18:30.44 | philips | uws: ahh... |
| 18:30.45 | Fames | Steph[eN]~ may I PM you?\ |
| 18:30.57 | tarzeau | hedlund: mplayer is not because of license issues /msg apt dfsg |
| 18:30.58 | Mave | hedlund: try irssi-text |
| 18:31.06 | uws | philips: Google for the X font de-uglification howto :) |
| 18:31.07 | philips | uws: when I run xfontsel all the fonts look awful too |
| 18:31.10 | hedlund | tarzeau and Mave : OK |
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| 18:31.22 | Mave | hedlund: next time try apt-cache search first |
| 18:31.27 | uws | philips: use gtkfontsel and don't allow scaled bitmaps in your search criteria |
| 18:31.27 | hedlund | Is it hard to get mplayer to work without apt-get? I hate compiling programs |
| 18:31.28 | ralf | tarzeau: do you like House music? |
| 18:31.36 | try | hi all, i'll try again : is there a way to have the sound from my tvcard(haupauge) on one pc to be sent to another pc without tvcard - i want to watch tv there - with sound . nas or vlc or esd or the like client/server apps doesn't work for me. thanks for hints or suggestions or requests :) |
| 18:31.37 | tarzeau | ribnitz: why are you on hold? |
| 18:31.51 | tarzeau | ralf: no i like traditional classic turkish music |
| 18:31.51 | hedlund | Mave : yeah I did apt-cache search, but it was in it but it said "no installion candidate as I said" |
| 18:31.52 | Steph[eN] | fames. you |
| 18:31.54 | Steph[eN] | k |
| 18:31.57 | Mave | hedlund: even if you know the package name; there may be alternatives those interest you |
| 18:32.02 | vpb | tarzeau, i dont have any debian cd , just libranet |
| 18:32.04 | tarzeau | ralf: but as i'm a modern turkish man, i also like rock, blues, jazz too |
| 18:32.07 | sussudio | tarzeau: do you have to slash your speakers with a knife for that to sound just right? |
| 18:32.15 | tarzeau | vpb: can you download it, or do oyu want me to send you one? |
| 18:32.17 | uws | philips: another suggestion, try to change the order in which the font paths appear in your X config... it might help when handling "wildcard" requests |
| 18:32.36 | tarzeau | sussudio: you can not say that, have you ever listened to traditional good turkish music? |
| 18:32.37 | philips | uws: ok I will try that. |
| 18:32.46 | tarzeau | sussudio: try "zeki müren" for example! |
| 18:32.55 | sussudio | tarzeau: no, thanks |
| 18:32.58 | vpb | tarzeau, my internet is just 4KB/s |
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| 18:33.20 | tarzeau | vpb: send me your address by email and i'll send you one |
| 18:33.25 | tarzeau | vpb: you have a cd-burner, don't you? |
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| 18:33.30 | vpb | yes i do |
| 18:33.32 | ralf | vbp: my is 5-5.1 kb/s |
| 18:33.36 | ribnitz | tarzeau: help, I have no idea... |
| 18:33.37 | Mave | I like traditional german music like bach or good porn music |
| 18:33.38 | tarzeau | vpb: first the homepage! |
| 18:33.43 | tarzeau | ribnitz: http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php |
| 18:33.50 | vpb | ok |
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| 18:34.14 | topgun98 | What package was I configuring when I was asked the framebuffer question? |
| 18:34.25 | caphuso | topgun98: probably xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:34.33 | tarzeau | caphuso: that was fast |
| 18:34.40 | tarzeau | caphuso: do you have that in your copy/paste buffer? |
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| 18:34.43 | troubled | Fames: what is glasgow electric plant? |
| 18:34.46 | topgun98 | thanks. |
| 18:34.48 | caphuso | tarzeau: no, that one not |
| 18:34.58 | tarzeau | caphuso: which one? |
| 18:35.00 | varogami_ | Hello at all |
| 18:35.04 | sussudio | they have electricity in glasgow? |
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| 18:35.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 18:35.13 | troubled | sussudio: its a place? |
| 18:35.14 | Fames | troubled~ no idea, why? |
| 18:35.17 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 18:35.19 | sussudio | troubled: scotland |
| 18:35.25 | vpb | tarzeau, can i copy your images? |
| 18:35.26 | troubled | Fames: cause thats what your whois returns |
| 18:35.27 | tarzeau | varogami_: buon giorno signore |
| 18:35.28 | caphuso | tarzeau: i've the most common things like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 defined as /completion |
| 18:35.32 | troubled | for your ip that is |
| 18:35.36 | tarzeau | vpb: what images? |
| 18:35.44 | varogami_ | I have a off topic question, what is the best file sharing? |
| 18:35.50 | troubled | speaking of ip's, brb, gotta go to the bathroom ;) |
| 18:35.50 | sussudio | ~best |
| 18:35.52 | | rumour has it, best is probably raw, seething xlib, as some people don't want either fltk or gtk... |
| 18:35.53 | vpb | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-turkey/cd_cover.png |
| 18:35.54 | ribnitz | tarzeau: grats. |
| 18:35.57 | Fames | troubled: and you did a whois on my ip because? |
| 18:35.57 | varogami_ | tarzeau: buon giorno |
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| 18:36.16 | try | ok, men . i will try something else .. bye |
| 18:36.21 | tarzeau | vpb: yes sure |
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| 18:36.25 | vpb | thx |
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| 18:36.43 | vpb | tarzeau, msg me privat please |
| 18:37.05 | tarzeau | vpb: no, is it about something personal? |
| 18:37.07 | sussudio | massage your privates? |
| 18:37.10 | tarzeau | vpb: do you want to merry me? |
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| 18:37.14 | vpb | gagagagaga |
| 18:37.21 | vpb | i am not female |
| 18:37.30 | Seb | tarzeau: marry :> |
| 18:37.30 | aw | deb packages for X 4.3 somewhere? |
| 18:37.33 | tarzeau | ahh marry, merry is different |
| 18:37.40 | streuner | that's no problem at all :-) |
| 18:37.43 | tarzeau | aw: yes in experimental |
| 18:37.48 | Mave | aw: apt-get.org ? |
| 18:37.51 | sinclaird | can someone tell me how to log an oops? |
| 18:37.54 | tarzeau | vpb: todays medicine can change that |
| 18:37.56 | RichiH | sussudio: no, i just do have, unlike you, a life besides irc |
| 18:37.59 | RichiH | tarzeau: what? |
| 18:38.03 | tarzeau | RichiH: gender |
| 18:38.04 | vpb | tarzeau, Message: |
| 18:38.04 | vpb | Fuzuli Cad. |
| 18:38.04 | vpb | Hamiko?lu Sok. No:9/A |
| 18:38.04 | vpb | MALATYA |
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| 18:38.11 | sussudio | RichiH: no you don't. |
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| 18:38.18 | aw | tarzeau: do you have the apt sources line for experimental? |
| 18:38.23 | tarzeau | vpb: i told you to mail it to me, gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 18:38.31 | tarzeau | aw: no |
| 18:38.45 | vpb | what to mail ?! |
| 18:38.46 | streuner | aw: /msg dpkg experimental ? |
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| 18:38.51 | Mave | aw: /msg apt experimental |
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| 18:39.07 | Mave | aw: are you using sid or what ? |
| 18:39.13 | RichiH | apt gender |
| 18:39.15 | | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 18:39.33 | troubled | Fames: sorry back :) |
| 18:39.45 | RichiH | sussudio: whatever :) |
| 18:39.46 | uws | philips: does it work? |
| 18:39.48 | troubled | Fames: why wouldnt I do a whois on your ip? |
| 18:39.52 | Fames | troubled: and you did a whois on my ip because? |
| 18:39.58 | uws | philips: another tip, remove gsfonts-x11, maybe it works |
| 18:39.59 | aw | Mave: thanks |
| 18:40.02 | RichiH | tarzeau: well, aren't you happy for him? ;) |
| 18:40.06 | tarzeau | RichiH: scroll back, you missed all the fun |
| 18:40.06 | sussudio | ~whatever |
| 18:40.10 | | rumour has it, whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 18:40.10 | troubled | Fames: just seemed odd that you took a heavy interest in helping someone with kernel oops |
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| 18:40.21 | partymola | you are a bitch |
| 18:40.21 | Fames | troubled~ that troubles me that you did a whois on my IP |
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| 18:40.23 | tarzeau | partymola: who? |
| 18:40.23 | troubled | Fames: was a good chance you were some sort of kernel hacker taking interest |
| 18:40.25 | partymola | sorry :S |
| 18:40.36 | partymola | tarzeau, a mistake :! |
| 18:40.41 | troubled | Fames: was curious if a whois could reveal a clue as to why |
| 18:40.41 | philips | uws: brb |
| 18:40.43 | xukun | hi all |
| 18:40.47 | tarzeau | partymola: ah a type, you wanted to say hi? |
| 18:40.51 | tarzeau | typo |
| 18:40.52 | troubled | Fames: called investigative work :) |
| 18:40.55 | partymola | tarzeau, sure xD |
| 18:41.04 | Fames | troubled~ I didn't attempt to help someone with their kernel, I'm too laggy |
| 18:41.19 | Mave | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.21 | Mave | oops |
| 18:41.23 | troubled | lol |
| 18:41.45 | troubled | Mave: nah, do it from a shell, whois is cool. never knew it reported ip block info |
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| 18:42.03 | troubled | Fames: see, and its a good thing I did too. learned something new. yOu should be proud of yourself! |
| 18:42.08 | vpb | tarzeau, [CD Satis] CD Siparisi what does this mean in english? |
| 18:42.09 | RichiH | sussudio: erm, and? do you plan on smiting me with that factoid? |
| 18:42.10 | sussudio | troubled: if i put RichiH on the pisg ignore list again, kawfeh becomes #100 |
| 18:42.11 | troubled | apt: pat frames on the back |
| 18:42.13 | | troubled: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:42.21 | philips | uws: I removed gsfonts-x11 and now none of the programs can find fonts... what is a font package to replace it |
| 18:42.26 | troubled | sussudio: woohoo! |
| 18:42.29 | tarzeau | vpb: cd ordering |
| 18:42.39 | troubled | sussudio: I would put sussudio on the ignore....oops |
| 18:42.40 | RichiH | sussudio: feel free to do so, but be aware that you may miss a warning before q/b |
| 18:42.47 | uws | philips: aaargh is your x-window-system complete? |
| 18:42.55 | vpb | tarzeau, and this CD Siparisi |
| 18:43.03 | philips | uws: wait, xmms is fixed, but emacs won't launch |
| 18:43.05 | Fames | troubled~ while we are making conversation, Jigdo-lite has about 350 files left, ABOUT how long will that take on dial-up? |
| 18:43.05 | Mave | troubled: /whois is first step for $whois you know :) |
| 18:43.06 | troubled | RichiH: and where were you 10 minutes ago when we had a flooder? *slap* |
| 18:43.13 | tarzeau | vpb: the same |
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| 18:43.17 | uws | philips: did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 18:43.27 | uws | philips: It will install some packages, like xfonts-75dpi and others |
| 18:43.28 | sussudio | RichiH: yeah, personally motivated q/b's are always the best, aren't they? not like those that are actually necessary like the flooding moron earlier. |
| 18:43.43 | GunZ | how do i put a logo on the grub screen? |
| 18:43.44 | vpb | tarzeau, can you create me an email vpb@linuks.mine...... |
| 18:43.47 | philips | uws: apt-get says it is at its newest version |
| 18:43.53 | xukun | how can I use nfs client? |
| 18:44.00 | philips | uws: xfontsel complains about ISO8859 fonts not being found |
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| 18:44.11 | troubled | Fames: well, unfortunatly, car speed cant be measured by how many cities you are traveling. See, we need something called distance and speed. Now from dialup I can assume your roughly 5k/s, but that doesnt tell me the "distance" you need to travel. See what Im getting at? |
| 18:44.18 | partymola | xukun, you've to mount the nfs share with "mount" |
| 18:44.28 | RichiH | troubled: slaying baal and his minions |
| 18:44.33 | uws | philips: Strange problem |
| 18:44.40 | troubled | RichiH: lol. diablo2? |
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| 18:44.46 | partymola | xukun, mount ip:/path/to/share /local/path -t nfs |
| 18:44.55 | uws | philips: do really have the xfonts-... packaged installed? |
| 18:44.57 | Mave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.03 | Fames | troubled~ true, but even then I could calculate it if i knew how large the files would be, but I don't |
| 18:45.09 | Mave | sorry mouse accident |
| 18:45.09 | RichiH | sussudio: feel free to apply for ops if you think you can guarantue 24/7 coverage and that anyone would actually care to have you |
| 18:45.18 | RichiH | troubled: indeed :) |
| 18:45.18 | troubled | RichiH: my sis just bought that. She's been playing for days. Just finished star wars knights of the old republic myself (cool game) |
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| 18:45.22 | RichiH | new patch |
| 18:45.38 | troubled | Fames: well, figure it out from the size of the iso on linuxiso.org |
| 18:45.43 | xukun | partymola, but it seems that nsf must be running on the client, rpcinfo -p shows only portmap |
| 18:45.49 | tarzeau | vpb: yes i can, if you make the homepage, don't you have an email address? |
| 18:45.56 | tarzeau | vpb: i would prefer not to |
| 18:45.58 | partymola | xukun, /etc/init.d/nfs start? |
| 18:46.04 | troubled | RichiH: whats the new patch do? might have to install it for my sister |
| 18:46.15 | RichiH | sussudio: but wait. let's just stop. i don't care about you or your opinion or your feelings. neither do you for me, mine, mine. so, shush, kthxbye |
| 18:46.19 | partymola | xukun, /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
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| 18:46.34 | RichiH | troubled: make everything harder and introduce ueberkilleritems |
| 18:46.36 | troubled | lol, kthxbye, thats halarious |
| 18:46.45 | philips | uws: brb |
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| 18:46.51 | Flexy | Is there a way to make a persistent superblock on a partition without losing any of the data? I'm trying to use it to create a software raid mirror with extra disk... |
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| 18:46.54 | troubled | RichiH: uberkilleritems?! w000t! |
| 18:46.54 | RichiH | troubled: oh, and skills have synergies amosng each other |
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| 18:47.01 | sussudio | RichiH: yeah, that's what i thought all along. |
| 18:47.17 | streuner | RichiH: if you in a bad mood, there are places in munich where you get better feelings... ;-) |
| 18:47.26 | aw | is there an experimental howto somewhere? |
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| 18:47.41 | RichiH | troubled: small charm +1 all skills, +20 all attributes, +20 all resis, +1 light radius, for example |
| 18:47.49 | troubled | aw: install sid, that experimental enough for you? |
| 18:47.56 | philips | uws: grr, I installed a few xfont packages but xfontsel is still complaining |
| 18:48.01 | RichiH | streuner: bad mood? me? nah :) |
| 18:48.06 | troubled | aw: wtf are you talkin about anyways? experimental what? |
| 18:48.08 | sussudio | we need more ops who don't give a fuck about anyone's feelings |
| 18:48.10 | moloken | I want to install an ident daemon - how do i do this? |
| 18:48.19 | RichiH | streuner: just seeing no reason in talking pointless yabber |
| 18:48.26 | Mave | streuner: isnt it written as münchen in german ? |
| 18:48.31 | aw | troubled: on how to install deb packages form experimental |
| 18:48.33 | RichiH | Mave: yes |
| 18:48.36 | streuner | Mave: yes |
| 18:48.41 | Mave | k thx |
| 18:48.56 | RichiH | aw: /msg apt experimental. and don't weep if it breaks your system |
| 18:48.57 | aw | troubled: I'm in sid, need some newer packages. |
| 18:49.05 | troubled | think apt has faq on that |
| 18:49.09 | philips | uws: could you dpkg --get-selections | grep xfonts- > temp and send me temp |
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| 18:49.19 | partymola | aw : try to compile from sources, or download this separated pakages |
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| 18:49.39 | aw | RichiH: I did msg apt, just don't get all that is said there. |
| 18:49.42 | troubled | aw: well, your not gonna get anything newer than sid. but if you mean how to upgrade, its apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade i would think |
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| 18:50.22 | aw | troubled: I dont' think you can upgrade to experimental like that... |
| 18:50.35 | Mave | you don'T upgrade to experiemntal that's silly |
| 18:50.44 | uws | philips: I'm sorry, I'm not at my own box now (<shame> I'm using windows atm</shame>) |
| 18:50.47 | RichiH | aw: experimental is not like sid. it is some packages that might or might not work with each other |
| 18:50.56 | nnn | Hey, people ... plz. somebody help me... |
| 18:50.58 | Mave | you just upgrade selected packages |
| 18:51.03 | nnn | I want create my boot image file *.img which later i write to floppy and will be boot from it |
| 18:51.03 | nnn | how i can do it |
| 18:51.04 | troubled | aw: sorry, just updagrade, not dist-upgrade ;) |
| 18:51.24 | RichiH | hmm, bbl |
| 18:51.29 | ribnitz | nnn: the initrd image? |
| 18:51.32 | oskie | wtf can a complete motherboard using SiS DDR400 chipset for AMD XP processors cost 35$!? |
| 18:51.38 | oskie | s/wtf/htf/ |
| 18:51.45 | troubled | sid is one thing i plan to stay clear of for many years ;) |
| 18:51.55 | sussudio | oskie: and they're making a profit on it. |
| 18:51.56 | Mave | updegrade ? |
| 18:52.03 | ribnitz | oskie: quantities? |
| 18:52.06 | oskie | sussudio: yeah! it's amazing |
| 18:52.12 | Mave | troubled: as time goesto infinity sid will be stable |
| 18:52.16 | nnn | ribnitz: on install CD1 *.img it is initrd image? |
| 18:52.19 | aw | RichiH Mave: yea, that's what i thought, but how? I have the line in apt.sources, but don't understand exactly what apt says about it... That's why I asked for a howto. |
| 18:52.25 | Mave | troubled: t -> inf , sid = stable |
| 18:52.26 | troubled | Mave: :) |
| 18:52.26 | oskie | ribnitz: 1! that's way I pay for it, including tax and everything, 100% legit! |
| 18:52.26 | xukun | partymola, I,m getting this: directory to mount not in host:dir format |
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| 18:52.38 | troubled | Mave: that or until they change its name heh |
| 18:52.45 | caro | hello |
| 18:52.49 | ribnitz | oskie: yes, but they do it in quantities... |
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| 18:53.00 | oskie | ribnitz: sure... but |
| 18:53.03 | ribnitz | Perhaps they earn 1$ on it |
| 18:53.11 | troubled | Mave: s/When pigs fly/When sid becomes stable/ :) |
| 18:53.21 | ribnitz | if they sell 500.000 of those thats half a million dollars |
| 18:53.22 | partymola | xukun, an example: "mount 10.0.20.5:/yeah /mnt/yeah -t nfs" |
| 18:53.29 | Mave | troubled: make next stable release's code name sid and watch the fun :) |
| 18:53.30 | streuner | troubled: :-) |
| 18:53.30 | moloken | I need help to get ident to work... |
| 18:53.59 | caro | Is there any disadvantage in installing openoffice.org from a CDROM in LinuxFormat magazine ... |
| 18:53.59 | ribnitz | nnn: and yes, thats usually an initrd image |
| 18:53.59 | caro | as oposed to apt-getting it? |
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| 18:54.02 | partymola | caro, no |
| 18:54.07 | caro | Thanks |
| 18:54.09 | troubled | Mave: I would lmao if MS would code name the next windows "Sid" :) |
| 18:54.13 | Mave | caro: debian openoffice.org packages are better rprobably |
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| 18:54.21 | ribnitz | caro: not really, except the apt-gotten will upgrade easier |
| 18:54.27 | Mave | troubled: hehe |
| 18:54.31 | sussudio | ribnitz: probably more like $1.50 |
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| 18:54.43 | partymola | caro : it's better to download from apt-get, but If you don't have a good connection to Internet... |
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| 18:55.05 | troubled | serious though, what does the debian team plan on doing for names once the exhaust them all from toy story? |
| 18:55.10 | ribnitz | sussudio: thats thats 750.000 usd for 500k sold |
| 18:55.25 | ribnitz | troubled: there's toy story 2? |
| 18:55.29 | nnn | ribnitz: thanks... :) |
| 18:55.49 | troubled | ribnitz: yes, but there isnt going to be an infinite number of toy story movies :) |
| 18:55.50 | sussudio | troubled: there's the car, RC. that'll confuse the shit out of everyone. |
| 18:55.54 | ribnitz | troubled: and only the 'major' releases get a new name. |
| 18:55.59 | troubled | sussudio: rofl |
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| 18:56.00 | theWuN | When i try and boot up the 1st deb CD to install on my laptop (toshiba satellite 1800), it all works fine, except the frame buffer is only 640x480. How can I make it bigger (so I can read all the setup information that gets cut off now) |
| 18:56.09 | ribnitz | troubled: we are now at 3.0.. |
| 18:56.25 | nomeata | troubled: well, the number of toystory-like films increase much faster than debian releases |
| 18:56.38 | Mave | sarge will be 3.1 so will the next release be 95 ? |
| 18:56.41 | nomeata | or we could just change to tolkien and be set for the next age. |
| 18:56.44 | troubled | ribnitz: but as time approaches infinity, the names must be exhausted assuming there arent an infinite number of movies an names |
| 18:56.50 | partymola | nomeata, :D |
| 18:56.54 | nomeata | Mave: no, Debian 3.11 for workgroups. |
| 18:57.00 | Mave | nomeata: oh yes |
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| 18:57.07 | troubled | s/an/and/ |
| 18:57.18 | caro | My connection is good. The debian packages list is down. I want the new OpenOffice.org 1.1... |
| 18:57.30 | ribnitz | troubled: yes, but as time approches infty, the number of possible alternatives also does. |
| 18:57.31 | troubled | I figure were good for names for at least 10 years ;) |
| 18:57.33 | sussudio | troubled: we've also not had Andy or Hannah yet. |
| 18:57.57 | sussudio | troubled: or lenny (the binoculars) |
| 18:57.58 | ribnitz | caro: openoffice.org1.1 (testing) |
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| 18:58.03 | Mave | debian should use code names from the DUNE |
| 18:58.06 | troubled | sussudio: what was the flying guys name again? |
| 18:58.13 | nomeata | shouldn't we keep hannah for some internal daemon like katie |
| 18:58.14 | sussudio | troubled: buzz? |
| 18:58.14 | karsten | Mave: We do. |
| 18:58.15 | troubled | buzz? |
| 18:58.15 | Mave | I should start a campaign for this = |
| 18:58.22 | sussudio | ~buzz |
| 18:58.24 | | buzz is, like, Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 18:58.27 | caro | Thanks ribnitz |
| 18:58.34 | alem | do i have to add the named.ca in the conf file ? |
| 18:58.35 | karsten | Mave: ...but they're encoded through the Toy Story namespace. |
| 18:58.36 | troubled | aww |
| 18:58.47 | Mave | karsten: like ? |
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| 18:58.58 | ribnitz | caro: if you have a woody system and feel confident enough, and its not critical, upgrade to testing. |
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| 18:59.00 | nomeata | karsten: no, it's tolkien charactes encoded. the dune encoding is just for FUD |
| 18:59.01 | uws | Does anyone know of a document explaning all "codenames" for all debian releases (all toy story characters?) |
| 18:59.09 | karsten | Mave: I could tell you... |
| 18:59.11 | troubled | sussudio: maybe we can persuade pixar and disney to make more movies for us to keep our supply of names going :) |
| 18:59.18 | karsten | Mave: ...but I'd have to kill you. |
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| 18:59.27 | karsten | nomeata: Oh shit! |
| 18:59.34 | caro | I am running unstable. |
| 18:59.36 | troubled | sussudio: Ill email them and ask them to create a zoof and sussudio character in the next movie :) |
| 18:59.46 | nomeata | caro: get some support devices, like a wheelchair. |
| 18:59.47 | partymola | uws, perhaps finding at google... |
| 18:59.49 | Mave | karsten: hm I'm a fedaikin too bro trust me =) |
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| 18:59.51 | neqm | <Slickk> hello.. can anyone here explain howto have "libqt3-mt-dev" and "kdelibs-dev" on the same system at the same time? because when I try to install kdelibs-dev after installing libqt3-mt-dev .. the system removes the kdelibs |
| 19:00.06 | ribnitz | caro: thats probably sid. openoffice.org1.1, about 200 mb download iirc |
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| 19:00.18 | xukun | partymola, thanks that worked just fine. do I have unmount when I finish using it? |
| 19:00.20 | vpb | tarzeau, i finished the page |
| 19:00.22 | deucalion|away | plz excuse my annoying away-msg ... |
| 19:00.27 | partymola | xukun, yes :D |
| 19:00.29 | Mave | ribnitz: not that much if you exclude help package etc |
| 19:00.29 | uws | xfonts-scalable - scalable fonts for X |
| 19:00.30 | uws | xfonts-scalable-nonfree - non-free Type1 and TrueType fonts from XFree86 |
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| 19:00.33 | ribnitz | neqm: they are conflicting, probably |
| 19:00.39 | sussudio | troubled: toy story 2 has Jessie, Stinky, Al, Barbie, Wheezy the Penguin, Zurg, Geri... |
| 19:00.42 | uws | aargh stupid mouse |
| 19:00.49 | uws | Each released version is numbered and given a code name. The code names are characters from the movie Toy Story, and at the time of writing the releases so far have been v1.1 (Buzz), v1.2 (Rex), v1.3 (Bo), v2.0 (Hamm), v2.1 (Slink), v2.2 (Potato), and v3.0 (Woody). <-- partymola found it ;) |
| 19:00.50 | partymola | xukun, also, shutdown the server while you're using it can cause troubles |
| 19:00.51 | Mave | sussudio: oh noo |
| 19:00.54 | ribnitz | Mave: the 'barebone' oo is like 45mb |
| 19:00.54 | troubled | sussudio: I think zurg should be next :) |
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| 19:01.19 | partymola | xukun, read mount man page -> "man mount" |
| 19:01.24 | sussudio | troubled: zerg attack! |
| 19:01.29 | xukun | partymola, thanks |
| 19:01.36 | caro | I should type 'apt-get install -t openoffice.org1.1' ? |
| 19:01.37 | partymola | xukun, :D |
| 19:01.39 | ribnitz | uws: I am on debian since hamm |
| 19:01.49 | Mave | caro: no |
| 19:01.56 | troubled | i started on woody :( |
| 19:01.59 | caro | ? |
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| 19:02.23 | tarzeau | vpb: will you send it by mail? can i see? |
| 19:02.26 | partymola | I used Potato, but doesn't liked me; and changed to RedHat ;) |
| 19:02.32 | IRN-Bru0772 | hi, what ports are needed to do DNS lookups? |
| 19:02.32 | Mave | caro: #debian-oo |
| 19:02.37 | tarzeau | partymola: maybe woody likes you |
| 19:02.44 | xsl | or sarge |
| 19:02.44 | troubled | oh no wait, I started on potato |
| 19:02.46 | troubled | duh |
| 19:02.47 | xsl | or sid |
| 19:02.48 | Mave | IRN-Bru0772: no ports by default |
| 19:02.52 | partymola | tarzeau, now, I use SID :DD |
| 19:02.52 | sussudio | i started with slink and decided it sucked and jumped to potato instead |
| 19:02.58 | tarzeau | partymola: hehe :) me too |
| 19:02.59 | xsl | as long you treat them well .. they all love you |
| 19:03.04 | tarzeau | partymola: potato didn't like me either |
| 19:03.05 | troubled | still have my potatoes cds :) |
| 19:03.07 | partymola | tarzeau, works well, eh? |
| 19:03.10 | Mave | IRN-Bru0772: feel free to ignore my answer |
| 19:03.11 | tarzeau | troubled: me too |
| 19:03.17 | tarzeau | partymola: perfect! |
| 19:03.24 | IRN-Bru0772 | Mave: hm? |
| 19:03.25 | tarzeau | partymola: they should call it uberstable! |
| 19:03.27 | vpb | yes |
| 19:03.35 | partymola | tarzeau, ha! ha! ha! |
| 19:03.38 | troubled | ~uber |
| 19:03.50 | neqm | ribnitz: and what should one do? |
| 19:03.51 | troubled | !uber |
| 19:04.01 | IRN-Bru0772 | Mave: i drop all incoming udp packages, ,but logresolve doesn´t work anymore |
| 19:04.02 | troubled | c'mon apt/dpkg! |
| 19:04.03 | Mave | !über |
| 19:04.07 | partymola | !uber |
| 19:04.09 | partymola | ha ha |
| 19:04.13 | Mave | ~ueber |
| 19:04.17 | troubled | apt: uber? |
| 19:04.19 | | troubled: wish i knew |
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| 19:04.42 | partymola | IRN-Bru0772, upd is useful for this type of things... |
| 19:04.43 | c | troubled eff you |
| 19:04.48 | c | stop using my name |
| 19:04.53 | troubled | lol |
| 19:04.55 | troubled | you zoof |
| 19:05.06 | vpb | tarzeau, just a moment |
| 19:05.10 | nomeata | apt: running unstable is very dangerous when holding sharp objects like scissors. better slow down. |
| 19:05.15 | | okay, nomeata |
| 19:05.16 | IRN-Bru0772 | partymola: i tried to oben udp 53, but seems not to work, which one to open? |
| 19:05.21 | troubled | c: if you think troubled would ever be using knoppix, your a moron lol |
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| 19:05.43 | mati | hey again |
| 19:05.51 | partymola | IRN-Bru0772, sniff yourself, and watch what kind of packets send a dns lookup |
| 19:05.53 | ribnitz | troubled: it has its uses as a rescue system though |
| 19:05.58 | nvz | hey baby, hey baby, hey |
| 19:06.06 | mati | i just want to ask this, is debian harder or easier to install than gentoo |
| 19:06.07 | troubled | ribnitz: so does a rescue boot disk ;) |
| 19:06.25 | ralf | apt-get |
| 19:06.27 | nvz | screw you guys I am going to irssi.org.. find some cools scripts |
| 19:06.56 | Eno_ | mati: (considering it comes with an installer) easier |
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| 19:07.07 | mati | :) |
| 19:07.07 | IRN-Bru0772 | partymola: i am not used to sniff anyone, i can do this with netstat? |
| 19:07.21 | Mave | you can't sniff yourself |
| 19:07.28 | troubled | mati: I would say easier. You dont need to have a printed manual beside you stepping you through the process of installing debian |
| 19:07.30 | partymola | IRN-Bru0772, tcpdump, or ethereal (or tethereal) |
| 19:07.35 | vpb | tarzeau, i sent it |
| 19:07.47 | mati | troubled ok good |
| 19:08.09 | ribnitz | mati: however you need to know your box, and be able to read carefully. |
| 19:08.11 | spacey | can someone explain this error to me?; /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 19:08.12 | IRN-Bru0772 | partymola: kind a huge canon for just getting to know which port is used |
| 19:08.12 | mati | troubled will i have like multiuser when i boot from cd ? |
| 19:08.22 | tarzeau | vpb: no that is not good |
| 19:08.31 | ribnitz | IRN-Bru0772: nmap |
| 19:08.32 | partymola | IRN-Bru0772, do you have other idea? |
| 19:08.34 | troubled | mati: you mean alt-f2..etc? |
| 19:08.37 | tarzeau | vpb: you need to have contact details like your address,phonenumber and email not only email |
| 19:08.44 | mati | troubled yes |
| 19:08.46 | tarzeau | vpb: also mention the prices for the cd, and how they can pay it |
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| 19:08.53 | troubled | mati: console #2 is active on boot cd/floppies |
| 19:08.56 | IRN-Bru0772 | partymola: just thought anyone in here knows |
| 19:08.58 | tarzeau | vpb: you need at least these, didn't you look at the examples i pointed you to? |
| 19:09.07 | troubled | mati: and you can always activate the others manually |
| 19:09.13 | tarzeau | vpb: don't write contact me if you're interested |
| 19:09.19 | tarzeau | vpb: write the price you want for a cd! |
| 19:09.25 | mati | troubled o ok, i just need it to read the manual which i have on a floppy disk |
| 19:09.28 | troubled | mati: but tab completion isnt enabled on the boot disks |
| 19:09.35 | vpb | tarzeau, yes but i dont understand turkish language |
| 19:09.35 | vpb | ok |
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| 19:09.44 | troubled | mati: it sucks shit. worst environment you could wish for on an install |
| 19:09.56 | mati | hehe :D |
| 19:09.58 | partymola | IRN-Bru0772, this method sure works, and It's not embarrasing... |
| 19:10.15 | tarzeau | vpb: look at www.debian.org/CD/vendors at english vendors |
| 19:10.23 | troubled | mati: that and all the commands suck ass too. some moron used busybox to fit it on a floppy. nothing works as expected (ping -f, find etc) |
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| 19:11.13 | mati | i see |
| 19:11.15 | IRN-Bru0772 | partymola: well i can enable logging for dropped packages - that is easier than sniffing |
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| 19:11.53 | Maulkin | Hi all. My uptream has released a new version (drivel 0.9.2) but has incuded debian diles in the source from Debian version 0.9.1-2. Drivel currently is at 0.9.1-4. Can anyone suggest how to go about incorpating the new upstream release? |
| 19:12.26 | troubled | diles? |
| 19:12.32 | troubled | I want some diles |
| 19:12.33 | Maulkin | s/diles/files :) |
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| 19:12.48 | sussudio | ~tell Fames about away |
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| 19:13.34 | troubled | Maulkin: you mean you want to package the new version using the old versions debian dir files (ie: rules, postrm etc)? |
| 19:13.37 | vpb | tarzeau, how can i make the pay ?? with Western Union...? |
| 19:13.44 | vpb | tarzeau, which is the best way? |
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| 19:14.38 | ribnitz | vpb: you know them? |
| 19:14.48 | Maulkin | troubled: Not exactly. There's been a few bug fixes, so I need to use the current debian/* files. Would it be easiest to suggest that upstream supply a version without any debian information in? |
| 19:14.59 | vpb | ribnitz, i dont talk with all peoples in ksovo |
| 19:15.00 | vpb | kosovo** |
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| 19:15.10 | ribnitz | vpb: pay on receipt? |
| 19:15.25 | vpb | ribnitz, what is receipt? |
| 19:15.32 | troubled | Maulkin: well, if they included their own debian/ dir, just erase it. or ask them for a clean tar.gz |
| 19:15.41 | vgogh | c.o.d = cash on delivery |
| 19:15.43 | tarzeau | vpb: in turkey we bring it, or we send it within the letter |
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| 19:16.09 | tarzeau | vpb: i'd make pay in advance |
| 19:16.10 | ribnitz | vpb: i send you something, when the postman gives you the package he wants moey for it, which you get |
| 19:16.15 | tarzeau | vpb: it's not much money you will charge for a cd, right? |
| 19:16.18 | Maulkin | troubled: Ok, thanks for your help |
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| 19:16.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: do you think they have that in kosovo? |
| 19:16.32 | TurkeR | tarzeau : we choose the best way. do it together. |
| 19:16.39 | Mave | ffs isn't there a university or something to beg for debian CD's ? |
| 19:16.41 | vpb | tarzeau, you think postman will bring the money back to me?! hhahaha lol |
| 19:16.50 | tarzeau | TurkeR: that's good too :) #debian.tr sen linux34 müsün? |
| 19:16.55 | tarzeau | vpb: hahahaa :) |
| 19:16.56 | ribnitz | tarzeau: thats alot easier than finding a western union in kosovo. probably also chwaper |
| 19:16.59 | tarzeau | vpb: here in switzerland, yes |
| 19:17.03 | troubled | Mave: you mean somewhere to download iso's? |
| 19:17.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you hear what vpb says about postman? |
| 19:17.12 | rahul | I am troubled |
| 19:17.13 | Mave | troubled: yes |
| 19:17.15 | vpb | tarzeau, you know i live in balkan |
| 19:17.16 | tarzeau | ribnitz: postman takes money and fuck your wife! |
| 19:17.22 | troubled | rahul: im feeling pretty rahul today myself |
| 19:17.23 | tarzeau | vpb: i know it very well |
| 19:17.26 | TurkeR | tarzeau : ne baðýrýyon yaw |
| 19:17.27 | TurkeR | :) |
| 19:17.33 | rahul | troubled: my condolences :P |
| 19:17.37 | troubled | :) |
| 19:17.43 | troubled | ditto |
| 19:17.44 | vpb | tarzeau, when i was bying a cd from a person in california i put the money in envelope with a letter |
| 19:17.46 | rahul | heh |
| 19:17.52 | rahul | @penixstrike troubled |
| 19:17.55 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:17.55 | vpb | so the money would't be seen from the outside |
| 19:18.00 | ribnitz | vpb: thats insecure as hell.. |
| 19:18.03 | troubled | @wb |
| 19:18.03 | ravenbird | thanks, troubled. It's good to be back. |
| 19:18.08 | vpb | bc if the postman see the money that are in the envelope he will take them |
| 19:18.12 | troubled | @where have you been? |
| 19:18.12 | ravenbird | out drinking with the bots. |
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| 19:18.29 | rahul | @what a coincidence, me too! |
| 19:18.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: it's just a few dollars |
| 19:18.35 | Mave | don't blame postmen |
| 19:18.41 | tarzeau | Mave: are you postman? |
| 19:18.46 | Mave | no |
| 19:18.49 | vpb | tarzeau, i dont know i saw some poeple when they send something they apply an small application |
| 19:18.53 | Mave | but my father might be ? |
| 19:18.57 | TurkeR | :) |
| 19:18.57 | troubled | @gamp |
| 19:18.58 | ravenbird | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! - http://gamp.mine.nu |
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| 19:19.07 | initech | @botsex |
| 19:19.07 | ravenbird | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over! |
| 19:19.12 | ribnitz | tarzeau: you alomst get a wife for it.. :) |
| 19:19.17 | initech | eww |
| 19:19.19 | trans_err | what port does an et server run on? |
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| 19:19.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i'm not sure what you want to tell me |
| 19:19.54 | troubled | bah, gamp is down! |
| 19:20.07 | ribnitz | tarzeau: no worries. not that important. |
| 19:20.07 | tarzeau | troubled: goatse.cx is up! |
| 19:20.12 | troubled | lol |
| 19:20.13 | tarzeau | troubled: gamp is down since long time! |
| 19:20.28 | troubled | penix is bad for leaving domains pointing at ip's :) |
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| 19:20.53 | troubled | debstats.mine.nu must have been point at me for months before I had it removed by admin |
| 19:20.54 | Czesiu | hello |
| 19:20.57 | tarzeau | troubled: i did do the same for a month |
| 19:20.59 | ribnitz | hello |
| 19:21.02 | tarzeau | hello |
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| 19:21.05 | troubled | hello |
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| 19:22.42 | rahul | hello |
| 19:22.59 | streuner | hi? |
| 19:22.59 | paulswm | quiet around here, no-one for me to help mess up their system even more |
| 19:23.11 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe |
| 19:23.20 | paulswm | tarzeau: :> |
| 19:23.29 | ribnitz | paulswm: I'll need help configuring a system for remote access. with static ips and all. |
| 19:23.30 | streuner | paulswm: lol |
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| 19:24.17 | paulswm | ribnitz: I know nothing about Linux networking, so I am ideally skilled to help you out :) |
| 19:24.41 | ribnitz | paulswm: thats why i asked you :) |
| 19:24.45 | streuner | !tell ribnitz about ask |
| 19:25.13 | rahul | ribnitz: what's "remote access"? |
| 19:25.17 | paulswm | ribnitz: first, connect the two tin cans with the string :> |
| 19:25.19 | rahul | ribnitz: apt-get install ssh |
| 19:25.25 | rahul | !tincan paulswm |
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| 19:25.38 | Scognito | someone used xrandr??? |
| 19:25.38 | rahul | blame KAWFEH |
| 19:25.44 | rahul | Scognito: nope |
| 19:25.54 | Scognito | tnx |
| 19:25.58 | streuner | :-) |
| 19:26.10 | Mave | Scognito: somebody did yes |
| 19:26.18 | Scognito | who? |
| 19:26.20 | ribnitz | rahul: I got the box installed, all I need now is to be able to appoint more than one ip to a physical interface, to tell my router not to screw up, andto set up dns (etc) records |
| 19:26.24 | rahul | Scognito: why can't you ask your question? |
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| 19:26.37 | Scognito | i asked yesterday |
| 19:26.38 | rahul | ribnitz: eth0:0, etc |
| 19:26.47 | rahul | Scognito: so why can't you ask today? |
| 19:26.55 | ribnitz | rahul: which doesnt work if done in interfaces |
| 19:26.56 | vpb | tarzeau, how many cd-s does debian ? |
| 19:27.02 | vpb | tarzeau, 5 am I right? |
| 19:27.05 | Scognito | i would like to know if matrox g400 is capable to rotate the desktop |
| 19:27.09 | rahul | ribnitz: incorrect |
| 19:27.11 | ribnitz | vpb: 1-16.. |
| 19:27.13 | tarzeau | vpb: no |
| 19:27.15 | rahul | vpb: 0 |
| 19:27.21 | ribnitz | rahul: well, mine doesnt. |
| 19:27.24 | Mave | .3 - 7 |
| 19:27.25 | Ikarus_ | Scognito: in hardware prolly not, in software, very easily |
| 19:27.26 | tarzeau | ribnitz: depends on which archs you want to cover with or without sources |
| 19:27.34 | tarzeau | vpb: the first is enough |
| 19:27.46 | rahul | none is enough |
| 19:27.46 | robink | I accidentally told dselect to remove a bunch of packages; how do I tell it I don't want them removed anymore? |
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| 19:27.49 | vpb | tarzeau, i think the 4 first CD-s |
| 19:27.49 | Mave | vpb: the first one is free |
| 19:27.50 | ribnitz | vpb: there's a netinstcd somewhere |
| 19:27.51 | Ikarus_ | some-god: read man mga |
| 19:27.52 | robink | I exitied w/ Q instead of X |
| 19:28.05 | mati | can i remove my old linux partition when im in debian installer |
| 19:28.08 | Scognito | Ikarus_, is only xfree4.3 capable to do it? |
| 19:28.19 | rahul | mati: sure. just partition however you want. |
| 19:28.23 | streuner | mati: of course |
| 19:28.24 | ribnitz | mati: if you dont have any info on it you still need? |
| 19:28.24 | Ikarus_ | Scognito: nope |
| 19:28.28 | rahul | mati: you can even leave the old one where it is and just reformat it |
| 19:28.32 | mati | no i dont need them |
| 19:28.36 | vpb | tarzeau, how many cd-s are avaliable at your site? |
| 19:28.36 | Ikarus_ | Scognito: all X versions atleast since 4.0 can |
| 19:28.38 | Scognito | i tried with xf4.3 and ati+ù |
| 19:28.41 | tarzeau | vpb: i think only the first |
| 19:28.41 | mati | yeah thats a good idea rahul |
| 19:28.44 | tarzeau | vpb: i don't sell cd's |
| 19:28.45 | Scognito | ati |
| 19:28.50 | rahul | ribnitz: as long as your kernel supports it, it'll work in interfaces. |
| 19:28.55 | mati | rahul they have proper sizes too |
| 19:29.08 | tarzeau | vpb: i can only send you the first, you'd need to get the rest yourself, somehow |
| 19:29.09 | mati | well of course :p |
| 19:29.09 | vpb | tarzeau, but you have your site? |
| 19:29.18 | Scognito | xrandr -q tells me the possible rotations are "normal" |
| 19:29.20 | ribnitz | rahul: well, I'll try, and be back later on to nag someone about it... :) |
| 19:29.22 | tarzeau | vpb: i only host that site for my friend, send him email and ask him |
| 19:29.42 | Scognito | normal means i cannot rotate |
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| 19:30.56 | vpb | tarzeau, how many cd are needed for a full install of debian (with KDE ,gnome and all packages) |
| 19:31.01 | Scognito | Ikarus_, do you use xrandr? |
| 19:31.07 | Ikarus_ | Scognito: no |
| 19:31.11 | as13 | are module-init-tools packaged? |
| 19:31.19 | Mave | as13: ? |
| 19:31.22 | wuhuu | hello got a problem with giFToxic |
| 19:31.25 | rahul | as13: yes |
| 19:31.32 | rahul | vpb: 0 |
| 19:31.43 | Scognito | i know pnly xf4.3 can rotate |
| 19:31.44 | Ikarus_ | Scognito: I only use Option "Rotate" "CCW" for my laptop at times |
| 19:31.44 | as13 | is there a deb with 2.6 modutils? |
| 19:31.48 | wuhuu | it returns: "Couldn't connect to giFT daemon on remote system!" |
| 19:32.07 | Scognito | Headache:~# xrandr -q |
| 19:32.07 | Scognito | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:32.08 | Mave | as13: 2.6 modutils ? |
| 19:32.10 | as13 | is it called module-init-tools/*deb? |
| 19:32.17 | rahul | wuhuu: configure the giftd to allow the connection from your machine |
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| 19:32.22 | vpb | rahul, you are e genius , you can install full packages just with one floppy |
| 19:32.24 | rahul | as13: yes |
| 19:32.34 | Scognito | i tried with load "randr" in xf86confg |
| 19:32.35 | rahul | vpb: you don't even need one floppy |
| 19:32.39 | Mave | vpb: there's no such thing like full install for ebian |
| 19:32.44 | rahul | heh |
| 19:32.51 | wuhuu | k, I'll try, thanks |
| 19:32.59 | as13 | rahul and its for unstable only? |
| 19:32.59 | rahul | Mave: full packages, not full install :) |
| 19:33.05 | rahul | I dunno how you'd install half-packages |
| 19:33.08 | vpb | Mave, when i say full install i mean not just Minimal system but all with KDE , gnome , all the packages |
| 19:33.11 | rahul | as13: dunno |
| 19:33.23 | mati | whats dbootstrp |
| 19:33.28 | Scognito | what module i have to load in my xfreeconfig to get xrand working? |
| 19:33.31 | mati | dbootstrap* |
| 19:33.35 | rahul | mati: the debian installer, basically |
| 19:33.36 | as13 | rahul thanks |
| 19:33.36 | Mave | vpb: first couple should be enough at most |
| 19:33.49 | Mave | vpb: never tried what you've asked |
| 19:33.49 | mati | o |
| 19:33.52 | rahul | vpb: why do you think the only way to get files is from a CD? |
| 19:34.05 | vpb | rahul, bc in kosovo internet works too slowly |
| 19:34.10 | rahul | mati: actually, I think it's the part that only installs the base |
| 19:34.22 | rahul | vpb: so you'll download even more stuff that you don't want to install? |
| 19:34.30 | rahul | vpb: from a slower mirror? |
| 19:34.42 | mati | ah i see.. |
| 19:34.42 | Mave | rahul: no he'll but CD's by mail |
| 19:34.50 | Mave | s/but/buy |
| 19:34.53 | rahul | Mave: why not get the full set then? |
| 19:34.57 | rahul | what's the cost difference? |
| 19:35.03 | vpb | rahul, i just downloaded 2 libranet cd-s |
| 19:35.17 | vpb | and if a i need something more i'll put the second CD |
| 19:35.24 | ribnitz | vpb: In my experience, a 3 cd set is pretty complete |
| 19:35.25 | rahul | mati: I seem to recall that debootstrap is the way to start the whole thing, but it's been a while |
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| 19:35.38 | mati | ok |
| 19:35.38 | vpb | rahul, i dont know about your experience |
| 19:35.47 | rahul | vpb: so use a distro that does less for you |
| 19:36.03 | mati | will the installer run when i boot up from the cd or do i have to like run it myself |
| 19:36.04 | vpb | bc debian developers are not stupid that have published more than 3 CD-s |
| 19:36.16 | mati | i have a shitload of dumb questions |
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| 19:36.24 | Mave | vpb: because there are ~10000 packages in debian |
| 19:36.25 | rahul | if you don't want a distro with so many packages made for you already, go get one |
| 19:36.28 | vpb | ok |
| 19:36.40 | vpb | Mave,maybe i need to install the 999th package |
| 19:36.43 | Mave | vpb: if you care to read debian.org this things are explained |
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| 19:36.51 | rahul | mati: the bootable instal media are all configured to run the installer directly |
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| 19:37.05 | mati | :) |
| 19:37.07 | Mave | vpb: you eman 9999 ? |
| 19:37.10 | Mave | mean* |
| 19:37.10 | rahul | vpb: which is why you don't download the WHOLE thing just for a few of the packages |
| 19:37.13 | nvz | mati: then read the damn install guide |
| 19:37.24 | mati | i am doing it |
| 19:37.29 | mati | [21:34:01] : mati is reading the funky manual |
| 19:37.30 | rahul | vpb: you download JUST the packages you want. if you're getting it on CD, you'll be getting the whole thing. |
| 19:37.37 | trans__err | i'm trying to set up a ET server.... Can someone check to see if DebianHost is in the tracker? |
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| 19:37.51 | vpb | rahul, ex. for libranet i download all the cd-s (libranet has 2 cd-s) |
| 19:37.52 | asg | mati: read the one English one then, it makes more sense than the slovakian one |
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| 19:38.03 | mati | lol |
| 19:38.04 | nvz | mati: yeah and that was less than a mintue ago.. its too early to be asking questions.. wait until you've finished reading it |
| 19:38.04 | asg | s/the one/one/ |
| 19:38.05 | vpb | and if i need just the 1st to install i'll install just the 1st |
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| 19:38.13 | Mave | asg: to me definetely yes |
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| 19:38.26 | rahul | vpb: and libranet has very little in it |
| 19:38.32 | mati | nyz k |
| 19:38.37 | rahul | vpb: stop whining that debian allows you to do too much. |
| 19:39.03 | vpb | how do u mean? |
| 19:39.09 | rahul | vpb: in debian, you can get just the CDs with the packages you need, or get just the packages you need as you need them |
| 19:39.21 | nvz | vpb: my install media is a ~30MB Mini CD |
| 19:39.22 | rahul | vpb: you've been whining that debian has too many packages |
| 19:39.29 | rahul | my install media is my hard drive |
| 19:39.45 | vpb | sure you can |
| 19:39.46 | Thor- | hi |
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| 19:39.56 | vpb | but why to do not download all the CD-s |
| 19:40.07 | vpb | maybe anytime you will need them |
| 19:40.08 | rahul | vpb: because they have packages you'll never want |
| 19:40.20 | vpb | rahul, how do u know that i dont want? |
| 19:40.22 | rahul | maybe when you need them, you can download JUST the packages you nee |
| 19:40.23 | rahul | d |
| 19:40.26 | asg | vpb: and the cd's do not contain needed security updates |
| 19:40.29 | nvz | vpb: why would I d/l a readonly version on packages that are out of date |
| 19:40.32 | rahul | vpb: I know that you don't want most of the packages in debian. |
| 19:40.45 | asg | rahul: which cd is cowsay on? you have to have that! |
| 19:40.48 | rahul | vpb: no one wants more than a small part of them. it's that debian users are so diverse. |
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| 19:40.51 | vpb | rahul, yes ex. i dont need Samba |
| 19:40.53 | rahul | asg: heh |
| 19:40.57 | as13 | so its impossible to combine 2.4 and 2.6 in one installation? |
| 19:41.00 | rahul | vpb: so why would you download it? |
| 19:41.09 | Mave | as13: it's wuite possible |
| 19:41.09 | vpb | maybe sometimes |
| 19:41.15 | Mave | wuite is quitw |
| 19:41.20 | rahul | as13: I think module-init-tools will fall back to modutils if you're on 2.4 |
| 19:41.22 | vpb | maybe i want to share |
| 19:41.22 | plush-dally | I've got my linux hard drive set up into 6 partitions (hda1 - hda3 are primary, hda5 - hda7 are logical), but the logical drive ends after hda7 and I've got 65G of unallocated space. |
| 19:41.23 | vpb | something |
| 19:41.24 | Mave | which is quite |
| 19:41.25 | vpb | for my friend |
| 19:41.30 | toto | helo |
| 19:41.36 | rahul | vpb: so get the package WHEN YOU NEED IT |
| 19:41.36 | plush-dally | does anyone know if it's possible to squeeze that unallocated into the logical drivespace? |
| 19:41.41 | toto | who can help me about security please |
| 19:41.42 | rahul | vpb: what is your problem? |
| 19:41.44 | as13 | Mave rahul i see, sorry |
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| 19:41.52 | Mave | vpb: you can share your dl'ed packages on CD's |
| 19:42.06 | asg | toto: get a big lock and a gun or ask a more specific question |
| 19:42.09 | vpb | rahul, i dont have any problem |
| 19:42.16 | rahul | vpb: so just do what you want |
| 19:42.25 | vpb | but i want to download all the CD-s bc when i need any package |
| 19:42.29 | rahul | haha |
| 19:42.32 | toto | asg: i have a PKI probleme |
| 19:42.32 | vpb | i dont have time to lose for downloading it from internet |
| 19:42.38 | vpb | bc my internet work slowly |
| 19:42.40 | rahul | vpb: so why are you downloading them? |
| 19:42.42 | vpb | so i insert the CD |
| 19:42.44 | vpb | i install it |
| 19:42.53 | rahul | "I don't have time to download anything, so I'll download everything" |
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| 19:43.00 | vpb | i am downloading them bc maybe sometimes i will need them |
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| 19:43.08 | vpb | are understanding? |
| 19:43.10 | tomf | anybody here familiar with debmirror |
| 19:43.12 | asg | toto: gnupg? kerberos? ssh? what problem? |
| 19:43.13 | spacey | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.14 | rahul | vpb: you make no sense |
| 19:43.15 | vpb | i am not talking chineese |
| 19:43.24 | rahul | vpb: you are talking foolishly |
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| 19:43.38 | fgh | hi |
| 19:43.41 | asg | laskjdf;lkasjdf;alskdflaksd </bob2 mode> |
| 19:43.42 | nvz | spacey: of course.. doesnt mean they will plug in or work |
| 19:43.43 | rahul | if you don't have time to download anything, why are you downloading everything? |
| 19:44.00 | fgh | anyone here with a Canon CanoScan Lide30 ? |
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| 19:44.05 | fgh | Scanner |
| 19:44.06 | vpb | bc i start downloading all the cd |
| 19:44.10 | nvz | I can put my hand in a blender , but it doesnt make it a good fucking idea |
| 19:44.16 | vpb | and they are downloaded ex. for 3 days |
| 19:44.16 | spacey | nvz: not same kind of pci slot? |
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| 19:44.23 | crash | hi |
| 19:44.25 | vpb | and then i dont lose time |
| 19:44.28 | vpb | for downloading anymore |
| 19:44.30 | rahul | vpb: if you want to waste 3 days to save 3 hours, go ahead |
| 19:44.31 | vpb | bc i have the cd-s |
| 19:44.39 | nvz | spacey: I actually have no clue.. but since you probably have one maybe you should look |
| 19:44.43 | rahul | vpb: you'll still need to download updates. |
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| 19:44.58 | spacey | nvz: thats stage 2, getting that damn box to open ;p |
| 19:45.00 | plush-dally | can anyone tell me if it's possible to activate unallocated hard drive space if the extended partition hda4 encompasses the logical drives but NOT the unallocated space? |
| 19:45.05 | crash | can i download a kernel with apt-get?? |
| 19:45.13 | rahul | plush-dally: that makes no sense |
| 19:45.14 | vpb | rahul, i do this way |
| 19:45.15 | lunaq | crash: yupp, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:45.26 | toto | how to make my browser use dongle key for private certificate |
| 19:45.27 | asg | plush-dally: you should be able to add another logical drive in the extended space |
| 19:45.40 | crash | anr then apt-get instal kernel-imgae right? |
| 19:45.41 | vpb | rahul, why i do this, is beacuse in kosovo there is just starting the Open source world |
| 19:45.46 | plush-dally | rahul: well hda4 is listed as only going from hda5 to the end of hda7 |
| 19:45.52 | rahul | plush-dally: if it's unallocated, it's in the unallocated space |
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| 19:46.12 | rahul | plush-dally: that's because it's an extended partition containing 3 logical ones |
| 19:46.16 | vpb | bc 4 years ago i had never heard about linux |
| 19:46.22 | vpb | bc there was war |
| 19:46.24 | bucky | Stallman, Linus, Moglen |
| 19:46.27 | plush-dally | and it won't let me allocate anything futher. it's an 80G drive and i've got 65G unallocated |
| 19:46.28 | vpb | understand?! |
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| 19:46.35 | rahul | vpb: that is a nonsensical reason to waste time downloading things you don't want |
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| 19:46.47 | rahul | you download things you don't want because there was a war? |
| 19:46.50 | Aterra | anyone who knows what refresh rates to be using for tv-out (s-vhs) (ati R9800 card) ? |
| 19:46.53 | vpb | i started by myself installing linux |
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| 19:46.58 | vpb | ok?! |
| 19:46.58 | crash | need i compile the kernel i download with apt-get instal kernel-image??? |
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| 19:47.04 | vpb | i did that in my way |
| 19:47.05 | asg | crash: no |
| 19:47.08 | crash | k |
| 19:47.22 | rahul | crash: no, but you CAN compile a kernel with kernel-package into a debian package and install that |
| 19:47.24 | crash | is there kernel for amd duron? |
| 19:47.33 | rahul | crash: the kernel-images in debian are compiled with kernel-package |
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| 19:47.40 | crash | k |
| 19:47.42 | Flexy | Is there a way to make a persistent superblock on a partition without losing any of the data? I'm trying to use it to create a software raid mirror with extra disk... |
| 19:47.49 | Nurbs | vpb: lol. |
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| 19:48.11 | rahul | crash: nothing specifically for duron. why should debain distribute a kernel optmized for each CPU? |
| 19:48.29 | rahul | crash: if you want to optimize a kernel for your exact setup, compile it yourself. |
| 19:48.35 | crash | i mean need i to downlaod 1386 or i586 or i 686? |
| 19:48.51 | crash | which is a duron under |
| 19:48.52 | rahul | crash: I think 686 works with k7s |
| 19:48.53 | vpb | Nurbs, ;) |
| 19:48.57 | crash | k |
| 19:49.01 | asg | crash: apt-cache search kernel image duron |
| 19:49.07 | crash | k |
| 19:49.08 | crash | thx |
| 19:49.12 | asg | crash: the resultant images are the ones you need to d/l for your arch |
| 19:49.18 | rahul | vpb: I'm not "nervous". I'm just surprised that you'll do the opposite of what gets you what you want. |
| 19:49.28 | crash | thx asg |
| 19:49.36 | vpb | u know why?! |
| 19:49.38 | asg | crash: you're welcome |
| 19:49.41 | vpb | bc all my friends did this way |
| 19:49.46 | rahul | haha |
| 19:49.47 | MightyMark | this seems pretty minor - but how do you get linux (and x) to start up with numlock on? |
| 19:49.50 | vpb | so there was nobody that do the way like you |
| 19:49.53 | Nurbs | don't they have the CDs then...? |
| 19:49.57 | rahul | vpb: that's the dumbest reason I've ever heard of |
| 19:49.58 | bucky | vpb, do you eat spam or hotdogs? |
| 19:49.59 | vpb | so tell me?! where should i learn this way from? |
| 19:50.07 | rahul | "all my friends are doing it!" |
| 19:50.14 | rahul | vpb: from the debian docs. |
| 19:50.19 | Flexy | does this command destroy the data on /dev/hda1? mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda1 missing |
| 19:50.22 | asg | MightyMark: apt-cache show numlockx |
| 19:50.25 | vpb | bucky, are u stupid or did you lost your bike?! |
| 19:50.29 | bucky | lol |
| 19:50.30 | MightyMark | asg: thanks |
| 19:50.33 | asg | MightyMark: np |
| 19:50.34 | rahul | from the people who MADE the things that you're using. not some random people who didn't bother reading it. |
| 19:50.47 | vpb | bucky, and nobody asked you |
| 19:50.55 | rahul | "but all my friends eat spam or hotdogs!" |
| 19:51.03 | bucky | vpb, saddam likes spam and hotdogs and mars bars |
| 19:51.05 | plush-dally | rahul: i've got 65G free on that hard drive but when i load fdisk and choose n to add a new partition i'm told there are No free sectors available. any idea why? |
| 19:51.06 | vpb | bucky, did you mum tech you to do not answer to anybody how didn't ask you |
| 19:51.22 | rahul | plush-dally: where is that 65GB free? |
| 19:51.27 | vpb | well , saddam wasn;t my president |
| 19:51.30 | plush-dally | in unallocated space |
| 19:51.41 | MightyMark | asg: couldn't find it, is it in woody? |
| 19:51.42 | vpb | so i dont have anything with him |
| 19:51.42 | vpb | i am not from iran |
| 19:51.44 | rahul | plush-dally: you said there is no unallocated space |
| 19:51.53 | asg | MightyMark: on my sid box, what are you running? |
| 19:51.53 | rahul | neither is saddam |
| 19:51.53 | plush-dally | the last partition goes to cylinder 1385, and there are 9964 cylinders on the disk |
| 19:51.57 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 19:52.01 | MightyMark | asg: woody |
| 19:52.02 | asg | !find numlockx woody |
| 19:52.02 | vpb | irak** |
| 19:52.05 | rahul | plush-dally: you're probably using LBA |
| 19:52.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'numlockx' returned no results. |
| 19:52.16 | vpb | rahul, thx for that you told me :) |
| 19:52.29 | asg | MightyMark: hmmm, try apt-cache search numlock and see if anything turns up |
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| 19:52.36 | vpb | rahul, ;) |
| 19:52.43 | asg | MightyMark: otherwise, you could backport the sid package (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 19:53.09 | plush-dally | rahul: so is there no way to allocate that unused space now without formatting the drive? |
| 19:53.15 | fgh | anyone here with a Canon CanoScan Lide30 ? |
| 19:53.16 | MightyMark | asg: nothing on numlock |
| 19:53.19 | bucky | vpb, do you ride a CZ motorcycle? |
| 19:53.23 | rahul | plush-dally: where did you get the idea that there is any unused space? |
| 19:53.25 | rahul | plush-dally: use cfdisk |
| 19:53.31 | vpb | bucky, no i am 14 years old |
| 19:53.47 | bucky | good! you're in the right place |
| 19:53.55 | plush-dally | well, my partitions are only using 15gigs of space on the 80g drive. so the rest is unused and unallocated, right? |
| 19:54.10 | asg | MightyMark: you'll have to backport the package from sid (you might check www.apt-get.org if you don't feel like doing that) |
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| 19:54.23 | MightyMark | asg: ok, I'll look at that... |
| 19:54.27 | rahul | plush-dally: use cfdisk. |
| 19:54.35 | plush-dally | rahul: on it, thx :) |
| 19:54.43 | rahul | vpb: why would I have an AIM address when I am able to use IRC? |
| 19:54.53 | MightyMark | asg: you don't happen to know of a way to do atapi cd-burning do ya? |
| 19:55.03 | MightyMark | I don't want to mess with scsi emulation |
| 19:55.06 | nated | hey everyone, how can i find out what compiler was used to compile libstdc++? |
| 19:55.08 | rahul | MightyMark: the cd writer howto does |
| 19:55.15 | asg | MightyMark: afaik, that's the only way without a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:55.17 | MightyMark | rahul: thanks |
| 19:55.25 | Ahri | i was just wondering what the difference between the .img images that k3b rips and the .iso images i'm accostomed to is, also what are the .toc files that k3b gives me? |
| 19:55.25 | MightyMark | asg: thanks |
| 19:55.50 | vpb | IRC is different from a E-mail |
| 19:56.09 | rahul | but AIM isn't :) |
| 19:56.22 | paulswm | MightyMark: example: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 -v speed=12 bootbf*iso |
| 19:56.42 | MightyMark | paulswm: I just found something to that effect |
| 19:57.26 | paulswm | MightyMark: over the next day or two I;m going to disable scsi emulation and try it out. I'm using a 2.4.22 kernel |
| 19:57.28 | vpb | rahul, where are u from |
| 19:57.31 | MightyMark | paulswm: cdrecord -speed XX dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -eject -v file.iso |
| 19:57.40 | rahul | vpb: where my IP says I'm from |
| 19:58.11 | plush-dally | gah! why does windows show all 6 of my ext2 partitions as local drives?! i never recalled it doing that any other time i installed linux. |
| 19:58.29 | rahul | plush-dally: use cfdisk |
| 19:58.49 | plush-dally | rahul: and set what? |
| 19:58.49 | paulswm | plush-dally: if you are using XP, just remove the drive letters from them |
| 19:59.00 | rahul | plush-dally: whatever you want |
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| 19:59.04 | MightyMark | paulswm: I'd try 2.6 out, since I hear its supported in that, but apparently the nvidia drivers don't work, so i'll wait |
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| 19:59.26 | plush-dally | paulswm: it won't let me remove the drive letters. it won't let me go into the properties window for those drives :S |
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| 20:00.21 | paulswm | plush-dally: you can't get into disk manager and remove them? |
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| 20:01.04 | crash | i have compiled 2.6-0 kernel but it syas can mount root systen kernel panic |
| 20:01.23 | Camel69 | is lilo.real normal to be installed on my system or is it some kind of virus or something like that? i've never recognized it before... |
| 20:01.24 | paulswm | MightyMark: I *think* it's supported in 2.4.22, but I'll find out this weekend |
| 20:01.26 | plush-dally | paulswm: computer management under admin tools, and then the disk management section, when i right click on ext2 partitions all the options are greyed out incl. properties and "Change Drive Letters and Paths..." |
| 20:01.26 | gratuit | crash: do you have suport for the root fs compiled in or as a module? |
| 20:01.30 | streuner | crash: a) FS is NOT as module compiled? |
| 20:01.44 | MightyMark | paulswm: how about 2.4.23? |
| 20:01.44 | rahul | crash: you need to be very thorough about choosing the drivers you need |
| 20:01.50 | paulswm | plush-dally: oh |
| 20:01.59 | lemmy | i'm running into problems installing the xams deb package. apt is complaining about missing exim4-daemon-heavy packages but i installed a backport of it. i'm still new to debian/apt and a little bit lost. any hints? |
| 20:02.01 | MightyMark | paulswm: this is a fresh install, so I thought I'd give that one a try |
| 20:02.02 | crash | no i compilde right in to the kernel |
| 20:02.03 | rahul | crash: you DID read that there is help for each option? |
| 20:02.21 | crash | no rahul |
| 20:02.27 | rahul | ... |
| 20:02.28 | streuner | crash: did you disable initrd (RAM-disk-support)? |
| 20:02.32 | paulswm | MightyMark: dunno, I'm not using 2.4.23 until there's a deb source for it |
| 20:02.35 | plush-dally | i hate you, XP.... |
| 20:02.39 | rahul | streuner: hopefully he did |
| 20:02.39 | crash | i don't think so |
| 20:02.43 | rahul | streuner: and rd isn't initrd |
| 20:03.05 | gratuit | ram disk shouldn't be nessecery if the root fs is compiled in should it? |
| 20:03.06 | MightyMark | paulswm: why's that? |
| 20:03.12 | gratuit | initrd rather |
| 20:03.22 | streuner | crash: s/RAM-Disk-Support/ / ;-) |
| 20:03.25 | rahul | initrd is only needed when your kenrel doesn't have what it needs to mount the root fs |
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| 20:03.47 | MightyMark | paulswm: I was just discussing the debs with another friend of mine, I've never used them, he has, I just grab them from kernel.org |
| 20:03.53 | paulswm | MightyMark: I don't really need it, so I'm happy to wait rather than mess with a vinilla kernel |
| 20:04.05 | paulswm | s/vin/van/ |
| 20:04.11 | MightyMark | paulswm: what do the debs do differently? |
| 20:04.22 | crash | i gonna look |
| 20:04.24 | streuner | crash: What filesystem do you use? |
| 20:04.26 | paulswm | MightyMark: cramfs patch for a start |
| 20:04.51 | MightyMark | paulswm: what's that one do? |
| 20:05.03 | MightyMark | paulswm: I always patch them with preempt |
| 20:05.04 | paulswm | MightyMark: debian initrd support |
| 20:05.24 | crash | ext3 |
| 20:05.26 | MightyMark | paulswm: hmm, not having it hasn't ever seemed to affect anything |
| 20:05.31 | paulswm | MightyMark: I always patch VFS so I can do lvm snapshots |
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| 20:05.56 | crash | ext2 i mean |
| 20:06.09 | dnc_ | hi all, i'm a little confused about xscreensaver: to have the monitor to suspend or go off after a certain amount of time, do i need to put the DPMS option on my XF86Config-4? (i'm running sid) |
| 20:06.12 | streuner | crash: SCSI? |
| 20:06.16 | crash | yes |
| 20:06.32 | streuner | crash: compile the module for your adapter into kernel |
| 20:06.34 | Sebulba02 | dnc_: I don't think so.. |
| 20:06.49 | pollar | hello, when i try to send an email, i get this message: <Kevinas@xxx.yy>: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply |
| 20:06.50 | pollar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.55 | pollar | how to fix it ? |
| 20:07.03 | xinud | why is .ICEautthority for because after logging out en can not read that file when logging in ? |
| 20:07.07 | pollar | im using postfix |
| 20:07.23 | MightyMark | paulswm: I see... |
| 20:07.39 | dnc_ | Sebulba02: rigth now i don't have that option in XF86Config-4, but the monitor stay on all the time |
| 20:08.14 | asg | dnc_: man xset (set your settings in ~/.xsession) |
| 20:08.15 | oskie | hm is there any point in using cdrecord over cdrdao? |
| 20:08.18 | paulswm | MightyMark: I've moved away from initrd now, so I suppose I could use vanilla kernels, just haven't expended the effort |
| 20:08.31 | crash | i think so |
| 20:08.41 | gratuit | xinud: I think programs designed with the kde libraries are the ones that use it, not sure exactly what it is though |
| 20:09.15 | streuner | crash: tell us the ouput of 'grep <SCSI-adapter> .config |
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| 20:09.41 | ralf | Hi |
| 20:10.11 | MightyMark | paulswm: understood. I usually lack the time to do a whole lot - and I wasted most of my xmas break, so I"m trying to cram as much in today as I can before I move back to my apartment tomorrow. |
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| 20:10.43 | crash | streuner iam notso ggod at linux yet so idont.wjat is my SCSI adapter |
| 20:10.50 | crash | what |
| 20:10.50 | tola | does anyone who uses grip know if it can encode a wav file to mp3/ogg without ripping it from a CD first? If not, what do you use to encode wav/flac files? |
| 20:11.25 | ralf | Anyone here use WinMX? |
| 20:11.32 | streuner | crash: lspci -v | grep SCSI |
| 20:11.39 | mbware | hi kernel-source-2.4.23 is stable? it include kernel-patch-debian-2.4.23 or I must download it also? |
| 20:11.43 | streuner | ralf: #windows |
| 20:11.54 | ralf | no |
| 20:11.58 | ralf | I wnant to |
| 20:12.27 | ralf | connect to others winmx client under Linux |
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| 20:12.41 | ralf | What about Knapster? |
| 20:12.49 | crash | i must download lspci first |
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| 20:13.01 | asg | mbware: yes, it does include the debian patches |
| 20:13.32 | dnc_ | thanks asg, i'm going to read the xset manual, from what i've read in the xscreensaver documentation, i need to put the DPMS option in the XF86Config only if power management seems not to work |
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| 20:14.00 | asg | dnc_: hmmm, okay. I never use xscreensaver but I would follow its recommendations if it provides any. |
| 20:14.12 | mbware | thanks asg |
| 20:14.41 | asg | mbware: you're welcome |
| 20:14.47 | ralf | There is a program like WinMX running under Linux? |
| 20:14.54 | asg | ralf: what is WinMX? |
| 20:15.02 | nvz | a shitty P2P Client |
| 20:15.03 | oyoy | Filesharing... |
| 20:15.08 | mage_ | ralf: xmule |
| 20:15.15 | ralf | asg: Share files on the net |
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| 20:15.35 | ralf | xmule.sf.net? |
| 20:15.44 | mbware | ralf lopster like winmx |
| 20:15.55 | mage_ | ralf: google. |
| 20:16.01 | nvz | ralf: I have been using LimeWire, its a shitty P2P Client like WinMX |
| 20:16.13 | asac | apt-get install xmule |
| 20:16.13 | quant0rz | i accidently pressed "n" when it came to installing lots of packages at the beginning of my install. is there a way for me to be able to install them all without formatting and installing debian again? |
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| 20:16.58 | jetscreamer | hey real quick, if i want to copy a user from one hd/install to another, do i need anything other than home ? can you transparently transpose a user like that, given that the software is the same on both boxes? |
| 20:17.06 | mbware | wath's best for mp3: xmule, lopster, LimeWire? |
| 20:17.17 | ralf | WinMX |
| 20:17.26 | asac | LimeWire |
| 20:17.27 | GunZ | when compiling 2.6.0 kernel, are there any cryptographic options i should definitly put down |
| 20:17.34 | paulswm | xinud: the ICEAuthority file is a session authorization file. I think that running some KDE stuff as root can make KDE chown it to root and then non-root can't use it, not too sure about this, but try googling in iceauthority and kde |
| 20:17.40 | asac | it has not such hudge ramp-up time like xmule |
| 20:17.48 | paulswm | s/in/for/ |
| 20:17.48 | asac | xmule is for large files |
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| 20:18.00 | ralf | There is a clone of WinMX fo Linux? |
| 20:18.11 | ralf | WinMX-compatibile? |
| 20:18.18 | asac | try to use wine & start WinMX in it, maybe it works |
| 20:18.20 | quant | i accidently pressed "n" when it came to installing lots of packages at the beginning of my debian install. is there a way for me to be able to install them all without formatting and installing debian again? |
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| 20:18.30 | dnc_ | asg: what puzzled me was that the monitor blanked off not following the timeout set with the xscreensaver-demo interface, this is a very old misconfiguration i'm going to tackle cause tonigh i'm feeling very very bored =) |
| 20:18.31 | ralf | doesn't work |
| 20:18.38 | jetscreamer | quant, run base-config again |
| 20:18.40 | asg | dnc_: :) |
| 20:18.44 | quant | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 20:18.46 | mbware | ralf lopster use WinMX Network |
| 20:18.51 | paulswm | jetscreamer: just make sure that the UID and GID is the same for the user on both setups |
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| 20:18.57 | MightyMark | didn't grkellm used to have an option to make it start when x started? |
| 20:19.04 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 20:19.05 | xinud | paulswm, tnx ik chack out on googloe |
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| 20:19.25 | wuhuu | hello |
| 20:19.26 | asg | MightyMark: put it in your ~/.xsession with a '&' after it |
| 20:19.28 | ralf | lopster can download files from WinMX users? |
| 20:19.30 | jetscreamer | just chown em after works? |
| 20:19.32 | GunZ | what exactly are cryptographic options? |
| 20:19.38 | wuhuu | i still hava problem with giftd |
| 20:19.44 | Camel69 | lilo crashes even when executing it with --help - i've already completely uninstalled (apt-get --purge remove lilo) and reinstalled it but it still doesn't work - what shall i do? |
| 20:19.51 | jetscreamer | cryptographic features compiled into the kernel |
| 20:19.58 | wuhuu | it returns the error: "*** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/libnone.la: file not found" |
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| 20:20.00 | mbware | ralf yes winMX user, Napster user, ecc.. |
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| 20:20.06 | MightyMark | asg: oh that's right... duh :-P forgive me, I'm trying to work with earplugs in - my brother and dad are framing walls in the basement |
| 20:20.07 | tola | is there a channel somewhere for grip (the cd ripper) - can't find one on freenode |
| 20:20.10 | wuhuu | what lib is missing |
| 20:20.16 | asg | MightyMark: hehe, I understand :) |
| 20:20.20 | ralf | even kazaa? |
| 20:20.38 | mbware | ralf bo! |
| 20:20.39 | asg | tola: check their website; if there is a #grip channel on any irc network, it will be listed there |
| 20:20.40 | paulswm | jetscreamer: you shouldn't have to chown anything if the *numberic* uid and gid are the same on both, but chowning will get you out of trouble if they're not |
| 20:20.48 | paulswm | s/numb/num/ |
| 20:20.52 | jetscreamer | yeah works for me |
| 20:21.00 | jetscreamer | i can do both or just chown |
| 20:21.04 | MightyMark | asg: it DOES have the remember screen position thing though - that's what I was thinking of. |
| 20:21.04 | asac | ralf: heard of someone getting kazaa to run under wine |
| 20:21.09 | jetscreamer | thx again |
| 20:21.17 | paulswm | jetscreamer: np, buddy |
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| 20:21.25 | asg | MightyMark: hmmm, should be one of the configuration options but I don't know which |
| 20:21.30 | jetscreamer | playing musical computers |
| 20:21.35 | ralf | wine: Segmentation Fault |
| 20:21.36 | MightyMark | asg: I found it |
| 20:21.49 | ralf | wine --help: Segmentation Fault |
| 20:21.55 | paulswm | jetscreamer: lol |
| 20:21.57 | mbware | asac LimeWare use winMX and Napster Network? |
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| 20:22.24 | asac | mbware: LimeWire is based on Gnutella |
| 20:22.46 | tola | asg: thanks but I did and I couldn't see one, never mind |
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| 20:23.23 | Camel69 | ralf: i had this error too - try to install another version of wine |
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| 20:23.38 | asac | maybe you would like to use a hybrid one: mldonkey |
| 20:23.42 | Camel69 | e.g. from the cvs tree |
| 20:23.58 | wuhuu | *** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/libnone.la: file not found <-- what is that ? |
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| 20:25.04 | mbware | no wine no windows!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:25.41 | MightyMark | mbware: congrats |
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| 20:25.57 | asg | jetscreamer: I'd also drink a lot, but don't quote me, I am not a doctor ;) |
| 20:25.59 | crash | what are you guys have gnome,KDE,fkuxbox? |
| 20:26.04 | asg | crash: fvwm |
| 20:26.08 | crash | k |
| 20:26.10 | MightyMark | mbware: just watch out when buying your next computer, lest the tax man cometh ;) |
| 20:26.10 | mage_ | gnome2 |
| 20:26.16 | Quibus | fvwm rules :) |
| 20:26.19 | mage_ | and fluxbox on my laptop |
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| 20:26.32 | MightyMark | crash: enlightenment |
| 20:26.45 | MightyMark | crash: and wmaker on my server |
| 20:26.58 | crash | k |
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| 20:27.16 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:27.23 | asg | wenas |
| 20:27.29 | ralf | Did you heard of Knapster? |
| 20:27.33 | jetscreamer | gnome, fluxbox, icewm, enlightenment, xfce, all good ones i've tried and liked |
| 20:27.39 | ribnitz | whats the name of the module allowing to assign more than one ip to an iface? |
| 20:27.54 | uws | ribnitz: ifconfig? |
| 20:27.54 | jetscreamer | sid only |
| 20:27.57 | uws | ribnitz: eth0:1 |
| 20:28.01 | uws | ribnitz: man ifconfig |
| 20:28.02 | asg | ribnitz: ip aliases |
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| 20:28.26 | ribnitz | asg: i need a module name, got a (stock?) 2.4.22 kernel |
| 20:28.42 | ribnitz | uws: and eth0:1 eth0:2 is ignored.. |
| 20:28.47 | paulswm | crash: gnome2 and metacity here |
| 20:28.47 | asg | ribnitz: it is part of the standard tcp/ip networking kernel support |
| 20:28.53 | crash | k |
| 20:29.00 | asg | ribnitz: in the 2.4 series, only an addon in the 2.2 series |
| 20:29.06 | initech | ribnitz: eth0:0 is the first one you use |
| 20:29.09 | clown | I'm having problems/issues using sort; "sort < somefile" seems not to sort the file properly. Is there a better tool? |
| 20:29.20 | Quibus | clown: what goes wrong then? |
| 20:29.22 | ribnitz | initech: so eth0:0 eth0:1 should work? |
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| 20:29.27 | crash | guys i have downloaded a kerel with apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:29.33 | initech | ribnitz: no, eth0, eth0:0 |
| 20:29.41 | crash | but i don't work |
| 20:29.44 | asg | clown: make sure you are sorting using numeric, or alpha, etc. (man sort) |
| 20:29.52 | ribnitz | clown: cat foo|sort > outfile? |
| 20:29.56 | xinud | paulswm, i find out what its mean and why iceauthority goes to root permissions |
| 20:29.59 | petemc | initech: it doesnt matter what order you set up ip aliases |
| 20:30.03 | Mave | ribnitz: useless use of cat |
| 20:30.09 | paulswm | xinud: good :) |
| 20:30.18 | xinud | http://dbforums.com/arch/126/2003/5/790706 |
| 20:30.20 | hackeron | does anyone have/knows a program to parse /var/log/wtmp that shows seconds as well, and that doesn't truncate username to 8 characters like the last command ?? |
| 20:30.23 | streuner | crash: edit /etc/lilo.conf and put initrd=/initrd-2.4.23*.img in it |
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| 20:31.01 | streuner | crash: the official kernels use initrd |
| 20:31.01 | clown | asg: I just need lexicographic sorting, in which "a line with number 1" < "a line with number 2" |
| 20:31.04 | crash | under? |
| 20:31.09 | tam | troubled: you around? |
| 20:31.25 | streuner | crash: under your new entry (man lilo.conf for examples) |
| 20:31.30 | crash | k |
| 20:31.30 | tola | could someone explain to me the relationship between desktop environments and window managers? For example, does fluxbox need to KDE or Gnome installed to work? |
| 20:31.31 | Quibus | clown: don't need numerical sorting? |
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| 20:31.38 | uws | tola: Explain that to a windows uer ;) |
| 20:31.55 | uws | tola: No dependencies |
| 20:31.55 | crash | i mean under /dev/sda1 or above |
| 20:31.55 | clown | Quibus: Nah, just treat the number as strings. |
| 20:32.00 | uws | tola: However gtk2 is widely used |
| 20:32.06 | Quibus | clown: then just sort should work fine |
| 20:32.08 | paulswm | clown: sort works fine |
| 20:32.11 | uws | tola: gnome is the desktop env. built on gtk2, for instance |
| 20:32.15 | asg | tola: environments provide things like icon support, panels, drag and drop, etc. Window managers just handle placement and window actions |
| 20:32.21 | streuner | crash: man lilo.conf will show you |
| 20:32.40 | clown | is there a difference between cat somefile | sort and sort <somefile ?? |
| 20:32.43 | crash | k thx |
| 20:32.49 | clown | due to buffers etc? |
| 20:32.52 | uws | clown: no |
| 20:32.59 | tola | asg: I'm using fluxbox but I also have KDE and Gnome installed. If they weren't there, would nothing work? |
| 20:33.06 | uws | clown: sort can only finish after the input is complete |
| 20:33.12 | asg | hackeron: man 5 wtmp (that shows the binary structure of /var/log/wtmp) See the references at the bottom for which C functions you need (or per modules you might be able to find on Cpan) to parse the format |
| 20:33.16 | uws | tola: fluxbox would still work |
| 20:33.23 | asg | tola: no, flux works just fine without them |
| 20:33.42 | paulswm | tola: if you need to understand the X architecture, which you seem to then the howtos here will help you: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/apps.html#GUI |
| 20:33.45 | asg | s/per mo/Perl Mo/ |
| 20:33.45 | tola | uws, asg: but would a lot of the applications that are designed to run in KDE or Gnome not work? |
| 20:33.48 | jetscreamer | omfg |
| 20:33.54 | Quibus | Hey, who's from the Netherlands here? |
| 20:33.56 | tola | paulswm: ah, thanks, will have alook |
| 20:33.59 | uws | tola: Like...? |
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| 20:34.14 | asg | tola: maybe, maybe not. Most will but some functions may or may not (panel icons etc.) |
| 20:34.17 | uws | tola: Most applications depend on a toolkit like QT or gtk2 |
| 20:34.19 | paulswm | tola: X is not easy to understand at first |
| 20:34.21 | tola | uws: I don't know... Konquerer, does that require KDE |
| 20:34.23 | asg | Quibus: #debian.nl ? |
| 20:34.29 | jetscreamer | lol@tola |
| 20:34.32 | uws | tola: As long as you have them installed you don't need the complete env (panels, window manager etc) |
| 20:34.35 | jetscreamer | or chuckle@ |
| 20:34.37 | Quibus | asg: I'm only wondering :) |
| 20:34.48 | uws | tola: I don't use konqueror but I think it depends on some kde base stuff and qt |
| 20:34.49 | hackeron | asg: yeah, I've seen that, but I don't know C :( |
| 20:34.51 | asg | Quibus: there are a few here sometimes but non that I know of now :) |
| 20:34.55 | ake_ | tola: no, just the kde libs |
| 20:35.06 | colde89 | directoriy to mount is not in host:dir format (nfs) any idea ?? |
| 20:35.12 | asg | hackeron: then check freshmeat.net and see if someone who does know has (or check CPAN for a Perl module that does it) |
| 20:35.15 | tola | ake_: thanks |
| 20:35.33 | tam | can anyone confirm that chrootkit is in SID? |
| 20:35.47 | asg | tola: chkrootkit is |
| 20:35.51 | streuner | !info chkrootkit sid |
| 20:35.53 | dpkg | chkrootkit: (Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.42b-1 (sid), Packaged size: 210 kB, Installed size: 592 kB |
| 20:35.56 | troubled | tam: yo |
| 20:35.59 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 20:36.06 | Quibus | !info gtkam |
| 20:36.07 | tola | uws: what do you use? I don't really like Konquerer but I haven't found an alternative, and don't say use a shell because I do ;) - there's just some things a graphic environment is useful for |
| 20:36.08 | dpkg | gtkam: (GTK+ application for digital still cameras), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.1.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 580 kB |
| 20:36.23 | Quibus | these bots are really nice :) |
| 20:36.24 | asg | tola: some like gentoo, some like nautilus |
| 20:36.31 | tam | troubled: looks like i was owned and when i rebooted...i was well 0wned |
| 20:36.31 | hackeron | asg: hmm, ok, will do, nothing on freshmeat though |
| 20:36.31 | asg | tola: some like rox-filer |
| 20:36.51 | uws | tola: Nautilus? |
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| 20:37.02 | uws | tola: I use gnome2.4 |
| 20:37.04 | troubled | tam: what happened? |
| 20:37.07 | asg | hackeron: http://www.google.com/search?&q=parse%20the%20wtmp%20file%20with%20perl (should get you started) |
| 20:37.08 | tola | asg, uws: ah, I'll have a look |
| 20:37.38 | troubled | tam: perhaps you were rooted before you even rebooted |
| 20:37.44 | tam | troubled: trying to find out at the moment...but i had a user called hakr at the login screen when i logged in |
| 20:37.47 | uws | tola: nautilus is gnome's file manager |
| 20:38.04 | troubled | tam: you mean he was logged in? |
| 20:38.08 | crash | no i have put initrd=/boot/initrs.img-2.4.23-1-686 and then saved and then run lilo |
| 20:38.18 | crash | when i reboot i dosnet works |
| 20:38.20 | tam | troubled: no. had a user name but no home dir |
| 20:38.24 | asg | tam: if you suspect you have been cracked, first take the machine of the network (to minimize damage to yourself and others.) |
| 20:38.43 | tam | asg: that will be done in 2 mins once i do a test |
| 20:38.44 | asg | crash: initrs.img... or initrd.img? |
| 20:38.47 | troubled | tam: :) check the logs. type "last" see when he's been logged in and such |
| 20:38.53 | grzesiek_ | o/quit |
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| 20:39.07 | crash | i wrote initrd.img in lilo |
| 20:39.07 | uws | bye grzesiek :) |
| 20:39.30 | tam | troubled: that is another thing...my 'last' has been tampered wiht.... |
| 20:39.32 | asg | crash: you also had the image=/... for the kernel too right? |
| 20:39.33 | streuner | crash: /j #flood |
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| 20:39.51 | tam | [tam@spud tam]$ ssh fresh |
| 20:39.51 | tam | ssh: connect to host fresh port 22: No route to host |
| 20:40.09 | troubled | tam: take a look around the log files. check your routing tables etc. investigate a bit |
| 20:40.14 | tam | and that is local...plus that machine is connected to the net at present |
| 20:40.16 | smj | Debian fucking rocks!!!! |
| 20:40.16 | colde89 | directoriy to mount is not in host:dir format (nfs) any idea ?? |
| 20:40.27 | smj | Ah-hem... 'scuse me. |
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| 20:40.31 | uws | colde89: Wrong options to mount |
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| 20:40.42 | uws | colde89: hostname:/path/to/mount |
| 20:40.53 | plush-dally | *sigh* does anyone know why Windows assigns drive letters to my ext2 partitions and why it won't let me hide those or change the drive letters? |
| 20:41.00 | plush-dally | *Windos XP Pro |
| 20:41.08 | smj | So, er anyone here use a Sony Clie with Debian? I'm having some trouble getting it to recognize the device... |
| 20:41.09 | Justin_ | plush-dally: #windows? |
| 20:41.56 | crash | image? |
| 20:41.58 | colde89 | uws mount -t nfs name/path /path-directory |
| 20:42.18 | crash | initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:42.19 | troubled | zwane: what brings you here? :) |
| 20:42.20 | asg | crash: yes, that indicates the kernel image, initrd is for the initial ram drive image |
| 20:42.32 | asg | crash: you need both for an initrd kernel |
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| 20:42.38 | crash | ohh k |
| 20:42.39 | paulswm | plush-dally: XP does that, and you can remove the drive letters if you are logged on to XP as an administrator. I have no problem doing that. |
| 20:42.47 | uws | colde89: rtfm |
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| 20:42.58 | zwane | troubled: what else ;) |
| 20:43.01 | troubled | hehe |
| 20:43.06 | troubled | zwane: nk online yet? |
| 20:43.08 | uws | colde89: name/path ------------> host:/path/to/mount |
| 20:43.11 | zwane | nah |
| 20:43.16 | troubled | zwane: whats he on as? |
| 20:43.24 | zwane | oh irc? |
| 20:43.25 | zwane | no not yet |
| 20:43.28 | RobotBebop | hey |
| 20:43.32 | plush-dally | paulswm: I'm logged in as a user which is in the Administrators group, I have ALL administration powers. |
| 20:43.44 | troubled | zwane: he was asking about how to get online. I pointed him here |
| 20:43.48 | RobotBebop | how do programs like mplayer and Xine not get sued? don't you need a license to deploy DivX/Mpeg4/etc codecs ? |
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| 20:44.02 | colde89 | uws :: No such file or drectory .. |
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| 20:44.15 | Mave | RobotBebop: xine is legal |
| 20:44.16 | ribnitz | hey ppl, what do I need to assign more than one ip address (in interfaces) to a network adapter? |
| 20:44.21 | zwane | troubled: the linux box is already online though |
| 20:44.22 | Mave | RobotBebop: not sure about mplayer |
| 20:44.26 | zwane | troubled: i think maybe just finding xchat |
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| 20:44.38 | colde89 | uwe ::directory exists .. |
| 20:44.41 | paulswm | plush-dally: well it works for me... perhaps you ought to try a windows group or search Microsoft's support site |
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| 20:44.47 | tola | asg: is rox-filer not part of debian unstable? apt-cache search doesn't return anything. |
| 20:44.53 | RobotBebop | so Xine has paid for a license to write a DivX decoder ? |
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| 20:45.08 | crash | is this right in lilo.conf image=/boot/initrd.img.2.4.23-1-686? |
| 20:45.09 | RobotBebop | or whomever wrote the DivX plugin for Xine or whatever it is that Xine uses to decode divX |
| 20:45.11 | Mave | RobotBebop: no it uses a free divx decoder afaik |
| 20:45.12 | ribnitz | RobotBebop: xine doesn't have a divx decoder. |
| 20:45.20 | RobotBebop | oh. |
| 20:45.26 | plush-dally | paulswm: MS's site is useless... tried that... i'm still scowering the net though |
| 20:45.32 | ribnitz | RobotBebop: iirc its an additional thing you get extra |
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| 20:45.40 | troubled | zwane: he said he couldnt connect just now :( |
| 20:45.41 | gratuit | doesn't xine use a lot of the stuff that comes out of mplayer? |
| 20:45.51 | Mave | RobotBebop: debian-legal deals qwith those problems you can trust them |
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| 20:46.09 | zwane | troubled: with irc? |
| 20:46.10 | kzar | Do i want a smp kernel? I only have one actual cpu, but its hyperthreading |
| 20:46.19 | Justin_ | colde89: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/ |
| 20:46.21 | derobert | kzar: yes |
| 20:46.24 | ribnitz | kzar: then you dont. |
| 20:46.26 | paulswm | plush-dally: I assume that all the partitions are local to your PC (I don't mean to assume that you are dumb or anything) |
| 20:46.27 | RobotBebop | i'm not worried about any legal action against myself |
| 20:46.32 | uws | colde89: man mount and be specific when asking questions |
| 20:46.43 | kzar | hmm |
| 20:46.45 | RobotBebop | i always thought that MPEGs and some of the formats inside AVI files required licenses |
| 20:46.49 | plush-dally | paulswm: yeah. all local :) |
| 20:46.52 | asg | !+find rox-filer woody |
| 20:46.55 | derobert | ribnitz: hyperthreading needs SMP, I think. It shows up as 2 cpus |
| 20:46.58 | paulswm | plush-dally: you could maybe find them in the registry and edit them out |
| 20:46.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rox-filer' returned no results. |
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| 20:47.12 | ribnitz | derobert: depends on the cpu though. |
| 20:47.12 | colde89 | Justin _ :: have got .. |
| 20:47.14 | kzar | derobert: thats what i wasnt sure about |
| 20:47.15 | uws | asg: It's not in woody! |
| 20:47.27 | troubled | zwane: ya. nm though. he says he off to play some bball |
| 20:47.29 | Mave | uws: not in sid/testing wither |
| 20:47.32 | derobert | ribnitz: which hyperthreading ones don't? |
| 20:47.42 | asg | uws: danke |
| 20:47.47 | plush-dally | paulswm: oh man..... *sigh* i'll look in to that. it's just that any other time i installed debian (the same way i did this time) XP was always oblivious to those partitions. |
| 20:47.47 | uws | Mave: are you sure? apt-cache search rox ? |
| 20:47.51 | kzar | so should i use snp or not? |
| 20:48.09 | derobert | kzar: it won't hurt, and may help |
| 20:48.14 | troubled | @fedora |
| 20:48.14 | kzar | okthen |
| 20:48.21 | kzar | here goes :D |
| 20:48.27 | Mave | uws: yes I've tried |
| 20:48.38 | paulswm | plush-dally: XP has always seen my ext2 partitons. I remove the dirve letters, then, if I create a new partition, a drive letter pops up again :) |
| 20:49.16 | plush-dally | paulswm: yeah. but it doesn't even let me go to "Choose drive letters and paths..." so i can't remove the drive letter associations. |
| 20:49.21 | derobert | paulswm: weird. XP Hope didn't see the driver letters when I set my mother's or brother's machine up to dual-boot. |
| 20:49.52 | paulswm | plush-dally: sounds like something in your XP setup may be hosed |
| 20:50.12 | troubled | zwane: lol, he has the max payne iso's right on his front page ;) |
| 20:51.21 | Mave | -M254 really makes a difference |
| 20:51.41 | plush-dally | and any net searches with any of the keywords i can think of all return stuff on showing windows partitions in linux :S |
| 20:51.59 | zwane | troubled: hahaha warez pup =) |
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| 20:52.12 | troubled | zwane: well, he's got some balls, thats for sure |
| 20:52.12 | gratuit | is there any way to see the statistics for how many collisions are being detected by my NIC? |
| 20:52.20 | knoppix | why are debian mirrors still down ? |
| 20:52.21 | ribnitz | anyone konw what I need to pipe where to have more than one ip address per phys interface? |
| 20:52.28 | rahul | knoppix: still? |
| 20:52.40 | rahul | ribnitz: pipe? |
| 20:52.47 | paulswm | plush-dally: you could always set up your boot loader to mark Linux partitions hidden when you boot XP and set them unhidden when you boot Linux, but that's a real pain in the neck |
| 20:52.57 | zwane | troubled: did i get your email address? |
| 20:52.59 | ribnitz | cat 1 > /proc/net/someplace? |
| 20:53.00 | rahul | ribnitz: just configure eth0:0 the same way as any other iface, seriously |
| 20:53.09 | rahul | ribnitz: oh, ip aliasing? |
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| 20:53.18 | rahul | hmm, don't recall needing to explicitly activate it |
| 20:53.35 | krusty | can i use my 56k softmodem in linux? |
| 20:53.39 | troubled | zwane: i gave i to you i think, ill msg you |
| 20:53.44 | rahul | krusty: if there are drivers for it |
| 20:53.56 | rahul | (as with any other hardware) |
| 20:53.59 | krusty | its an elsa microlink 56k |
| 20:54.02 | plush-dally | paulswm: do you think it could be my bios that's detecting the partitions and then giving that info to windows? |
| 20:54.04 | troubled | rahul: you kawfee |
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| 20:54.19 | rahul | @penixstrike troubled |
| 20:54.19 | paulswm | plush-dally: I doubt it |
| 20:54.19 | troubled | rahul: you see the latest sussudio stats? Kawfee was #101 lol |
| 20:54.21 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:54.25 | rahul | heh |
| 20:54.27 | troubled | rahul: didnt even make the top 100 lol |
| 20:54.29 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 20:54.29 | knoppix | is pakage mirrors gona stay down form much longer ? |
| 20:54.41 | Justin_ | !tell knoppix about search |
| 20:54.44 | paulswm | knoppix see the topic |
| 20:54.45 | rahul | knoppix: are you going to keep beating your wife? |
| 20:54.45 | troubled | rahul: what a rahul he is ;) |
| 20:54.55 | rahul | @penixstrike |
| 20:55.14 | rahul | jargon files? |
| 20:55.14 | uws | rahul: mooooh! |
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| 20:55.26 | krusty | i heard that there are problems with 56k modems, but adsl modems should be work better ? |
| 20:55.26 | knoppix | rahul im gona start beating your wife |
| 20:55.31 | ucssa | can i invite dpkg to my cahn |
| 20:55.34 | troubled | apt-get install jargonfiles? |
| 20:55.35 | ucssa | chan even |
| 20:55.36 | rahul | uws: that would be the debian cow's answer, yes :) |
| 20:55.42 | ribnitz | rahul: ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0, ifup: eth0 interface already configured. only diff is eth0:1 lacks a default gw |
| 20:55.43 | ake_ | @penixstrike knoppix |
| 20:55.44 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking knoppix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:55.46 | troubled | zwane: just got email |
| 20:56.01 | uws | rahul: Never mind (the "beating your wife" thing is an example in one of the jargon files by ESR) |
| 20:56.02 | rahul | ribnitz: eh? |
| 20:56.09 | rahul | uws: oh, ok |
| 20:56.15 | asg | ribnitz: it should use the same gateway as the real interface to which it is bound |
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| 20:56.21 | rahul | uws: I have read them, but I think I learned that from somewhere else |
| 20:56.37 | knoppix | is there some kind of debian war on ? |
| 20:56.42 | rahul | asg: unless you'd like to be multihomed using the same NIC... or something |
| 20:56.47 | kevinmarsh | I'm having some problem with my new debian install: networking... I can ping LAN addys but not anything in the outside world |
| 20:56.48 | ucssa | can i invite dpkg to my chan |
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| 20:56.59 | asg | rahul: is that possible? didn't know it was with aliased ethers |
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| 20:57.07 | kevinmarsh | using a Dlink DL-514 router... |
| 20:57.11 | asg | ucssa: /msg dpkg who owns you && ask the owner |
| 20:57.14 | rahul | asg: routing is independent of interfaces |
| 20:57.14 | Mave | dpkg: come to my channel |
| 20:57.15 | dpkg | Mave: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:57.39 | paulswm | dpkg is none too smart |
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| 20:57.39 | dpkg | paulswm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:57.40 | asg | rahul: yes, just thought that aliased interfaces didn't allow it |
| 20:57.40 | yuran | kevinmarsh, set your router to be the gateway |
| 20:57.45 | ribnitz | rathul: auto eth0 / iface eth0:0 inet static / address /netmask / network/gateway |
| 20:57.46 | rahul | kevinmarsh: is your default gateway correct? |
| 20:58.01 | rahul | asg: aliased interfaces have nohting to do with the routing table, directly |
| 20:58.05 | kevinmarsh | how do you get the gateway? ifconfig? |
| 20:58.10 | rahul | ribnitz: auto eth0:0 |
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| 20:58.17 | kevinmarsh | (all other machines on the router can access net fine) |
| 20:58.17 | rahul | kevinmarsh: route |
| 20:58.17 | ribnitz | ah. :) |
| 20:58.20 | tola | kevinmarsh: there should be a setting in the file /etc/network/interfaces for your default gateway which should be the ip of your router |
| 20:58.26 | rahul | @penixstrike ribnitz |
| 20:58.28 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ribnitz to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:58.32 | asg | rahul: okay |
| 20:58.37 | kevinmarsh | gateway is * |
| 20:58.40 | knoppix | @penixstrike ravenbird |
| 20:58.41 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ravenbird to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:58.51 | knoppix | @penixstrike rahul |
| 20:58.51 | rahul | kevinmarsh: no, that means the gateway is FOR * |
| 20:58.52 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:58.56 | troubled | rahul: you ever notice any problem with aliased interfaces and samba? I told samba bind interfaces only and specified the 10.0.0.1 interface that is eth0:0, but it still seemed to want to bind to :* |
| 20:58.57 | kevinmarsh | oh |
| 20:58.59 | rahul | a.k.a. the default |
| 20:59.08 | rahul | troubled: never tried |
| 20:59.09 | kevinmarsh | so what do I do ? :P |
| 20:59.12 | crash | i ahev problem when i boot eith new kernel ican see loading krenel and then the screen i black and caps lock and sroll lock i s blinking |
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| 20:59.30 | rahul | kevinmarsh: check that that IP on that line matches the router's |
| 20:59.33 | troubled | rahul: just wondered if you noticed it with anything else. I figured it was a samba only problem though |
| 20:59.42 | kevinmarsh | it doesn't |
| 20:59.46 | rahul | crash: the kernel crashed |
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| 20:59.55 | eeyore- | morning |
| 20:59.59 | crash | k |
| 20:59.59 | troubled | zwane: you run your on mta over there? |
| 21:00.01 | rahul | kevinmarsh: then fix it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:00.06 | kevinmarsh | ok |
| 21:00.11 | rahul | troubled: I don't use aliased ifaces |
| 21:00.12 | troubled | zwane: noticed it annouced tls |
| 21:00.17 | troubled | rahul: smart man hehe |
| 21:00.23 | ribnitz | rahul: thanks, finally works.. :) |
| 21:00.25 | rahul | troubled: dumbass hrhr |
| 21:00.32 | troubled | rahul: i noticed when you bring the main one down they all go hehe |
| 21:00.37 | rahul | @penixstrike ribnitz (again, for good measure) |
| 21:00.39 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ribnitz (again, for good measure) to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:00.45 | troubled | rahul: not exactly the prefered thing to do |
| 21:00.46 | rahul | troubled: well, that makes sense |
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| 21:00.58 | rahul | troubled: if eth0 is gone, why should its aliases remain? |
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| 21:01.16 | rahul | troubled: that's like umounting /usr and still having /usr/local mounted |
| 21:01.20 | ribnitz | rahul: routing to that addy will work even if it does not have (public) routing info |
| 21:01.24 | troubled | rahul: cause damnit! i want the alias up eheh |
| 21:01.24 | knt | hi all, how can i switch to reiserfs from ext3? |
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| 21:01.35 | ribnitz | knt: why would you want to? |
| 21:01.35 | troubled | rahul: well duh lol |
| 21:01.38 | asg | knt: backup, reformat, restore |
| 21:01.39 | keir | is there any ETA on when Sarge will become the new stable release? |
| 21:01.40 | rahul | ribnitz: no, the upstream router needs to know where to send packets for that IP |
| 21:01.44 | troubled | rahul: still, an undesired side effect |
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| 21:01.55 | rahul | troubled: so don't use the main interface for IP |
| 21:01.55 | asg | troubled: then get another nic |
| 21:02.05 | knt | asg: can't i save my data outof backuping? |
| 21:02.08 | rahul | keir: 1230192831928301982 seconds |
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| 21:02.09 | ribnitz | rahul: static routing entry (over private ip's)? |
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| 21:02.14 | troubled | asg: im too cheap and lazy to walk over to where the machine is and put one in heh |
| 21:02.15 | kevinmarsh | the gateway line mathchs, but there is a 'network' one--should that be the router too? |
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| 21:02.23 | Demosthenes | yay! i've built my first package! |
| 21:02.25 | rahul | ribnitz: well, whatever works for your situation. |
| 21:02.31 | keir | rahul, i was thinking... a year... 6 months... 10 years... |
| 21:02.39 | rahul | kevinmarsh: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:02.40 | asg | knt: no, there is currently no way to migrate reiserfs to extX non-destructively (nor will there ever be one most likely) |
| 21:02.44 | rahul | keir: all of the above |
| 21:02.46 | troubled | asg: gonna have to though. its a 3c59x and its having problems switching to 10mbit |
| 21:02.47 | ribnitz | rahul: 212.101.26.217 (192.168.1.1) -> 192.168.1.2 (which is also .26.218)? |
| 21:03.02 | rahul | keir: instead of asking how long it'll take, help and it'll take less time |
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| 21:03.26 | rahul | (kind of like the T1 we had installed at work. "We don't know how long it'll take, but if you pay us more, it'll take less time") |
| 21:03.30 | asg | troubled: you could force it (mii-tool and friends) |
| 21:03.33 | rahul | they literally said that :) |
| 21:03.42 | pshaggy | I'm running 2.4.18-bf2.4 with a soundblaster live. When I do lsmod I can see soundcore but no emu10k1. When I do an ï"insmod emu10k1" I get a bunch of unresolved symbol complaints. The errors appear to be searching for "/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o" but my drivers are installed at "/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/...". What is the "correct"way to sovle this? Symbolic links? |
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| 21:03.50 | tola | kevinmarsh: I think the network option should be the same IP as your router but with a 0 at the end instead of a 1 or whatever it is. |
| 21:03.50 | asg | rahul: you should have gone immediately with another provider then |
| 21:04.02 | the_faulk | how do i mirrors to my apt-get from the command line? |
| 21:04.07 | the_faulk | *add mirrors |
| 21:04.10 | troubled | asg: tried. seems to be buggy driver |
| 21:04.11 | rahul | ribnitz: well, as long as that router knows to forward those to the internal local network, then it'll use ARP to find the ethernet card that the packets should go to |
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| 21:04.20 | streuner | pshaggy: modprobe emu10k1 |
| 21:04.24 | uws | the_faulk: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:04.29 | tola | kevinmarsh: I have gateway 192.168.7.1 and network 192.168.7.0 |
| 21:04.29 | asg | troubled: try a newer kernel perhaps? Might be a buggy switch too |
| 21:04.29 | rahul | asg: monopoly. |
| 21:04.37 | asg | rahul: grrr, fucking hate that. |
| 21:04.40 | rahul | asg: the T1 was actually between two floors in the same building |
| 21:04.42 | troubled | asg: works 100baseT no problems. in 10baseT though (full or half duplex) its got tons of frame and RX errs |
| 21:04.43 | ribnitz | rahul: good, so I don't need routing entries for all of the /29 net |
| 21:04.44 | kevinmarsh | tola: that's what I had too |
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| 21:05.02 | asg | troubled: then the switch is not autosensing right probably |
| 21:05.03 | rahul | asg: well, it's not that bad, because it would be kinda dumb to have lots of telcos runinng wires all over the same building |
| 21:05.07 | troubled | asg: its cheap 10mbit hub the cable modem wan port is one. along with another machine and a switch |
| 21:05.10 | tola | kevinmarsh: cool. You know you need to do "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth0" after you've changed that? |
| 21:05.16 | asg | rahul: true, in that case |
| 21:05.16 | rahul | ribnitz: one for the whole /29 will work |
| 21:05.25 | kevinmarsh | ah, ok :) |
| 21:05.26 | tola | kevinmarsh: or whatever your network device is |
| 21:05.38 | asg | troubled: hmm, okay |
| 21:05.40 | troubled | asg: kinda what was wondering. somethings screwing things up. Oddly enough I have the same hub here and I had problems with it. I thought it was just a dead hub (used) |
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| 21:06.06 | troubled | rahul: dont make me lart you! |
| 21:06.11 | ribnitz | rahul: together with matching DNS entry should do it then.. :) |
| 21:06.19 | rahul | troubled: your lart is no more than mere trouble |
| 21:06.25 | troubled | :) |
| 21:06.26 | asg | troubled: could be. I have noticed really odd issues with 3com cards and Win XP machines freezing cheap switches |
| 21:06.27 | rahul | ribnitz: probably |
| 21:06.49 | rahul | asg: both independently or together? |
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| 21:06.55 | asg | rahul: together |
| 21:06.58 | rahul | not that I have either :) |
| 21:06.59 | rahul | ok |
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| 21:07.08 | asg | rahul: XP + Netgear wireless + 3Com Vortex card |
| 21:07.10 | lord_rob | does modconf work with 2.6 kernels ? |
| 21:07.14 | rahul | the windows 3com drivers do some funky stuff |
| 21:07.17 | rahul | lord_rob: yes |
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| 21:07.39 | troubled | asg: guess its just the card. no big deal though. right now the card uses dhcp from teh cable modem and is aliased to 10.0.0.1 for the other machine. but were just gonna use the 3com direct to the workstation aand ill throw in a second dlink or something that works for external network |
| 21:07.40 | rahul | modconf does, YOUR version may not |
| 21:07.41 | modconf | rahul: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:07.44 | ribnitz | asg: i made good experience with 3com cards on linux. |
| 21:07.47 | rahul | modconf: moron |
| 21:07.47 | modconf | rumour has it, moron is mwilson |
| 21:07.48 | keir | does anyone have random USB disconnect problems? with 2.4, my usb keyb/mouse would randomly stop working, then work after a 2 second delay. in 2.6.0, i have to unplug and replug my mouse and keyboard. |
| 21:07.52 | rahul | heh |
| 21:07.54 | troubled | lol |
| 21:07.57 | rahul | modconf: forget mwilson |
| 21:07.58 | modconf | cannot alter locked factoids, rahul |
| 21:08.00 | troubled | mwilson: you gonna take that? |
| 21:08.01 | rahul | erg |
| 21:08.04 | rahul | modconf: forget moron |
| 21:08.04 | Timmmm | Which package is 'ps' in? |
| 21:08.14 | troubled | rahul: better watch out. mwilson prolly +q both of us heh |
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| 21:08.27 | rahul | Timmmm: procps |
| 21:08.34 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 21:08.37 | Timmmm | rahul: Thanks |
| 21:08.39 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 21:08.41 | kevinmarsh | what about 'broadcast' ? |
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| 21:08.47 | asg | ribnitz: never had a problem with it in Linux, just an issue with XP machines attached to Cheap switches with the same card |
| 21:08.53 | troubled | rahul: dumbasscheek |
| 21:08.55 | rahul | kevinmarsh: you shouldn't really need any of network or broadcast if you have netmask |
| 21:09.05 | IanT0469 | Anyone use TDMA with Debian? |
| 21:09.06 | rahul | troubled: yeah, my ass cheek isn't too smart |
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| 21:09.26 | IanT0469 | er, Deb+TDMA+Postfix+SqurrelMail? |
| 21:09.27 | ribnitz | asg: I am in the small netwokrs, soho category. don't have experience with anything bigger than like 5-6 machines |
| 21:09.36 | AntiProxy | lately, i started noticing that man <page> and info <page> return the same information.. what really got my attention was grub for instance, while man grub used to return command line syntax and such, info grub returned detailed configuration examples.. now they both return the default manpage, any idea what's going on? |
| 21:09.46 | rahul | kevinmarsh: they're only there for cases where you have really strange network setups |
| 21:09.50 | ribnitz | IanT0469: Time Division Multiple Access? |
| 21:09.50 | troubled | rahul: your half of the ass that I am! |
| 21:09.52 | troubled | no wait! |
| 21:09.58 | kevinmarsh | (also, when I do 'ifdown eth0' i get a no such process error) |
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| 21:10.07 | rahul | kevinmarsh: it's not up |
| 21:10.11 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 21:10.25 | troubled | rahul: im not falling for that a second time! |
| 21:10.29 | asg | ribnitz: we have 3500+ (fortunately, there are others to take care of the non-linux machines ;) |
| 21:10.29 | kevinmarsh | when I do ifup eth0, I get a network unreachable error |
| 21:10.31 | rahul | troubled: you're getting worse than kawfee |
| 21:10.44 | rahul | kevinmarsh: your gateway isn't on the local network, proabbly |
| 21:10.47 | isladur | hey |
| 21:10.55 | troubled | rahul: dont push me! :) |
| 21:10.57 | rahul | kevinmarsh: you probably specified inconsistent options |
| 21:11.00 | isladur | im having problems with dri on my intel 815 chipset |
| 21:11.12 | troubled | kevinmarsh: man route |
| 21:11.19 | isladur | the screen is corrupt whenever i use an opengl app |
| 21:11.23 | ribnitz | asg: Atm quitely despairing over setting up pulblic access (ssh, http/https,smtp) to a network over a dsl line |
| 21:11.26 | rahul | kevinmarsh: just specify IP, netmask, and gateway |
| 21:11.32 | rahul | troubled: dumbass |
| 21:11.34 | tola | kevinmarsh: join #flood and paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces if you don't get anywhere with man route |
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| 21:12.02 | asg | ribnitz: use woody, keep up to date with security mailing lists and you will be just fine (as fine as anyone of us anyway) |
| 21:13.21 | rahul | troubled: stop hugging your flexible back |
| 21:13.40 | kevinmarsh | tola: I typed my interfaces output there |
| 21:13.41 | troubled | rahul: :p |
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| 21:14.44 | troubled | zwanem: wb |
| 21:15.03 | tola | kevinmarsh: the only thing I can think is that your router won't allow you to have that IP. Are you sure that IP address isn't in a range already allocated to DHCP on the router or something? |
| 21:15.04 | zwanem | re, silly dsl problems |
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| 21:15.16 | kevinmarsh | ooh, It might be |
| 21:15.21 | troubled | zwanem: go cable :) |
| 21:15.29 | zwanem | i have cable too =) |
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| 21:15.34 | troubled | zwanem: w00t! |
| 21:15.35 | zwanem | sec... |
| 21:16.04 | tola | kevinmarsh: might be worth trying 192.168.0.3 or something instead? |
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| 21:16.18 | zwane | there we go |
| 21:16.21 | IanT0469 | ribnitz: not TDMA as in cell phone TDMA...Tagged Delivery for Messaging Agents (I believe) |
| 21:16.23 | zwane | it was having trouble earlier |
| 21:16.41 | troubled | zwanem: so you run your domain name off a shitty dsl connection? |
| 21:16.42 | kevinmarsh | can I do something other than specifying it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:16.51 | zwane | troubled: hehehe, hey lets not call it shitty ;) |
| 21:16.54 | zwane | troubled: basically yes |
| 21:16.54 | JoePenguin | in linux my sound come out of the microphone jack but in windows it comes out of the normal one. wtf? This is the on board sound for my Asus P4S800 mobo which uses i810_audio and ac97_codec |
| 21:16.54 | kevinmarsh | (vim is a PITA) |
| 21:17.12 | troubled | zwane: well, if it keeps disconnecting, what else would you call it? |
| 21:17.15 | zwane | troubled: the dsl has static ip, but the cable is much faster (4.2Mbit up, 640k down) |
| 21:17.26 | zwane | but i cant get static with the cable |
| 21:17.34 | zwane | erm |
| 21:17.36 | zwane | 4.2 down |
| 21:17.39 | knoppix | do you think gnome is more server related and that kde more destop related ? |
| 21:17.40 | lord_rob | modconf working with 2.6, it's recent isn't it ? |
| 21:17.40 | troubled | zwane: you at least have dns resolve to both machines for hosting? |
| 21:17.41 | modconf | lord_rob: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:17.54 | isladur | http://z0.ca/~zallus/pub/garbage.png |
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| 21:18.00 | zwane | troubled: no, i use the dsl solely |
| 21:18.03 | isladur | can someone tell me whats wrong with my intel 815? ^___^ |
| 21:18.07 | troubled | zwane: your cable ip doesnt change that often does it? |
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| 21:18.12 | rahul | lord_rob: yes |
| 21:18.18 | knoppix | do you think gnome is more server related and that kde more destop related ? |
| 21:18.20 | bsphere | is there a kernel image 2.6 package ? |
| 21:18.22 | kevinmarsh | router says .100-.199 are DHCP |
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| 21:18.25 | zwane | troubled: does, my modem keeps doing weird things and when i power cycle i usually get a different ip address |
| 21:18.45 | dnc_ | knoppix: is a poll? |
| 21:18.47 | zwane | troubled: i mainly use the cable for normal things and dsl for hosting |
| 21:19.01 | rahul | knoppix: hahahaa |
| 21:19.02 | tola | kevinmarsh: try 192.168.0.2 then? |
| 21:19.06 | rahul | knoppix: I think both are nothing related. |
| 21:19.06 | troubled | zwane: they let you recieve smtp connections on dsl? |
| 21:19.17 | zwane | troubled: yep, its a business dsl connection |
| 21:19.37 | zwane | they'll even do PTR entries |
| 21:19.39 | troubled | zwane: thats cool. residential on cogeco blocks smtp |
| 21:19.47 | knoppix | rahul i think you not debian related |
| 21:19.55 | zwane | troubled: oooh, suckage |
| 21:19.55 | troubled | zwane: who is in crontrol of the domain name? |
| 21:20.08 | zwane | troubled: we are |
| 21:20.14 | zwane | troubled: its only for the reverse zone that we have to ask them for a record |
| 21:20.14 | troubled | zwane: you dont run your own dns server? |
| 21:20.15 | kevinmarsh | I don't get the error when I do ifup anymore, but I still can't ping google.com or whatever |
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| 21:20.31 | troubled | zwane: ahh, yes, my isp wont touch reverse |
| 21:20.38 | ixion | What's the package name for gdk pixbuf? |
| 21:20.50 | Kraig | kevinmarsh: what is your problem? |
| 21:20.52 | zwane | troubled: annoying, we needed it for some MTAs to talk to us |
| 21:21.08 | tola | kevinmarsh: hmm, I'm not sure but that may be your dns... can you ping 216.239.39.99? |
| 21:21.09 | kevinmarsh | can't access internet from my debian box |
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| 21:21.27 | kevinmarsh | tola: yep. |
| 21:21.28 | oskie | what's a HD-BURN? |
| 21:21.43 | Sebulba02 | ixion: apt-cache search pixbuf |
| 21:21.53 | rahul | knoppix: knoppix isn't debian related, actually. |
| 21:21.56 | tola | kevinmarsh: ah (that's google's IP) - does your ISP give you an IP address to use for DNS by any chance? |
| 21:21.57 | troubled | zwane: that sucks. I had problems doing my own MTA. but after I complained, my isp added me to the list of allowed relay. I can send anywhere now at least |
| 21:21.57 | ixion | Thanks. |
| 21:22.09 | rahul | knoppix: stones in glass houses and all :) |
| 21:22.14 | kevinmarsh | hmm, I think so, It's configured in my router I believe |
| 21:22.17 | oskie | hm, apparently HD-BURN is some system developed by Sanyo to store 1.4GB on a single CD-R |
| 21:22.20 | tola | rahul: depends what you're asking ;) |
| 21:22.50 | rahul | tola: yeah, but knoppix itself isn't debian-related any more than, say fedora is. |
| 21:22.55 | tola | kevinmarsh: what does less /etc/resolv.conf return? |
| 21:22.56 | IanT0469 | Anyone know how to get Dialogics Cards to work with Debian? |
| 21:22.56 | knoppix | knoppix isnt debian related ?!!? |
| 21:23.06 | knoppix | hahah |
| 21:23.07 | troubled | zwane: mind you, i run my own bind server, so at least I get full dns control (except for reverse on the ip that is) |
| 21:23.08 | zwane | troubled: urgh, i prefer running my own mta |
| 21:23.09 | Quibus | ask in #knoppix to know for sure :) |
| 21:23.12 | knoppix | tell another one |
| 21:23.13 | tola | rahul: I have disagree with you there, in a big way |
| 21:23.23 | zwane | troubled: yeah at least uyou have dns |
| 21:23.26 | kevinmarsh | tola: no such file |
| 21:23.28 | Quibus | knoppix is rather based on Debian, but otherwise not related :) |
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| 21:23.32 | troubled | zwane: i couldnt agree more. what are you running? exim over here |
| 21:23.37 | rahul | tola: knoppix is some random project someone did with some tools that happen to be in debian |
| 21:23.41 | knoppix | if its based its related |
| 21:23.52 | rahul | knoppix: is mandrake related to redhat? |
| 21:23.59 | knoppix | yes |
| 21:24.00 | troubled | rahul: ouch |
| 21:24.03 | rahul | is it on-topic in a redhat channel? |
| 21:24.07 | falmarian | hey, where do .deb files live? |
| 21:24.15 | rahul | falmarian: everywhere |
| 21:24.17 | Quibus | on the repository |
| 21:24.18 | tarzeau | how much fun did i miss? |
| 21:24.20 | tarzeau | helix: back? |
| 21:24.20 | chris` | You can't call mandrake related to redhat at this point |
| 21:24.26 | zwane | troubled: postfix |
| 21:24.26 | Quibus | hey tarzeau, what's up? |
| 21:24.30 | dnc_ | falmarian: after installing with apt? |
| 21:24.32 | Justin_ | falmarian: using non technical terms like "live" will not get you anywhere |
| 21:24.37 | tarzeau | hi Justin_ |
| 21:24.39 | rahul | chris`: well, if you can call knoppix related to debian... |
| 21:24.44 | tarzeau | Quibus: who are you? |
| 21:24.48 | tola | rahul: if someone wants help with a hard disk install of knoppix the chances are the solution will be exactly the same as with debian. |
| 21:24.51 | falmarian | rahul: so let's just say I need to manually wget bash.deb, and unpack it, where should I put it? |
| 21:24.52 | chris` | tarzeau: I don't like that comparision either |
| 21:24.58 | Quibus | tarzeau: man, we talked about openMSX packaging for Debian |
| 21:24.59 | Justin_ | tarzeau: now that my u2 works good and all, I have no idea what to do with it |
| 21:25.00 | troubled | zwane: cool. seems respectable enough around here |
| 21:25.01 | tarzeau | chris`: which one? |
| 21:25.05 | tarzeau | Quibus: ah i remember sorry |
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| 21:25.08 | rahul | tola: taking chances isn't a great way to help |
| 21:25.13 | tarzeau | Justin_: i have one too! |
| 21:25.13 | rahul | falmarian: ./ |
| 21:25.19 | tarzeau | Justin_: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ultra2/ |
| 21:25.20 | Quibus | tarzeau: anyway, some other guy offered to do it now... Let's see how far he gets :) |
| 21:25.26 | rahul | falmarian: but cd there first |
| 21:25.27 | tarzeau | Justin_: LarstiQ ported blender to linux/sparc on it :) |
| 21:25.30 | troubled | zwane: actually, people round here only really go against sendmail and qmail. more qmail probably |
| 21:25.37 | tarzeau | Justin_: mine is more important than yours to world history! |
| 21:25.38 | kevinmarsh | I don't have a /etc/resolv.conf file :\ |
| 21:25.42 | knoppix | if you dont take chances you might as well be dead |
| 21:25.44 | tarzeau | Justin_: got two cpus? |
| 21:25.49 | tarzeau | Justin_: do you know x2x? |
| 21:25.50 | falmarian | rahul: thanks |
| 21:25.50 | Justin_ | yeah, 2x200 |
| 21:25.52 | tola | kevinmarsh: afaik that file should contain the IP address of your DNS. Mine says nameserver 212.159.11.150 |
| 21:25.58 | tarzeau | Quibus: good luck! |
| 21:26.05 | rahul | kevinmarsh: man 5 resolver |
| 21:26.07 | troubled | Justin_: you talking about that sparc still? lol |
| 21:26.07 | tarzeau | Justin_: mine's only 2 x 168 |
| 21:26.09 | datibbaW | trying to get my X working, but it complains that it can't open default font 'fixed' .. does anyone know what i should install for this to work out? |
| 21:26.21 | Justin_ | troubled: i have 2 :-) |
| 21:26.21 | tarzeau | Justin_: got debian on it, right? what wm? |
| 21:26.29 | troubled | :) |
| 21:26.32 | Justin_ | tarzeau: it doesnt have a monitor |
| 21:26.35 | troubled | Justin_: i thought the second one wasnt online? |
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| 21:26.46 | zwane | troubled: hehehe, i dont like qmail ;) |
| 21:26.48 | Quibus | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:26.54 | Justin_ | it is now, i figured out it only crashes if I dump I lot to the serial port |
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| 21:27.02 | tarzeau | Justin_: umf! get one! 13w3 to vga adapter, $5 |
| 21:27.04 | rahul | datibbaW: install the full task |
| 21:27.08 | Justin_ | tarzeau: i have one of those |
| 21:27.13 | zwane | troubled: plus postfix is mindless to setup |
| 21:27.14 | tarzeau | Quibus: i've packaged gnustep applications lately |
| 21:27.15 | Justin_ | tarzeau: the u2 has no fb in it though... |
| 21:27.24 | tarzeau | Justin_: you have no graphic card in it? |
| 21:27.30 | Justin_ | tarzeau: my ss20 has 3 though, need to move one |
| 21:27.33 | Quibus | tarzeau: I was under that impression, indeed :) |
| 21:27.39 | Justin_ | i dont have a keyboard or mouse either :-) |
| 21:27.44 | datibbaW | rahul: what module should i install to get the full task? :s |
| 21:27.46 | tarzeau | Justin_: really do that! |
| 21:27.51 | rahul | datibbaW: module? |
| 21:28.04 | datibbaW | rahul jah, what do you mean the full task? |
| 21:28.06 | tarzeau | Justin_: ah you can get that cheap somewhere, say you are solaris specialist do fix some little problem, say you want the keyboard+mouse as souvenir! |
| 21:28.07 | rahul | datibbaW: use tasksel or aptitude |
| 21:28.07 | Justin_ | tarzeau: its just sitting in a corner with power and ethernet plugged in :-) |
| 21:28.11 | troubled | zwane: whois commfireservices? |
| 21:28.13 | tarzeau | Justin_: poor machine |
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| 21:28.19 | tarzeau | Justin_: i love my ultra2 |
| 21:28.25 | datibbaW | rahul ah ;) |
| 21:28.30 | rahul | datibbaW: aptitude lets you see more details and install only some packages in the taask |
| 21:28.37 | tarzeau | Justin_: how can you use your ss20? network only? |
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| 21:28.41 | Justin_ | its working good now, I have the two itty bitty drives in raid1 |
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| 21:28.43 | tarzeau | Justin_: you really need sun keyboard+mouse!!! |
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| 21:28.51 | Justin_ | tarzeau: yeah, i have a bunch of serial cables |
| 21:28.51 | datibbaW | rahul thanks! trying it out now :) |
| 21:28.59 | tarzeau | raid1 ? i don't grasp that modern stuff |
| 21:29.02 | troubled | zwane: just noticed your MX is pointing at the ns server for it. you in control of commfireservices.com as well? |
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| 21:29.13 | pshaggy | I have my emu10k1 module installed now (it shows when I do lsmod) but I still can't get any sound. What should I do to narrow the problem down a bit more |
| 21:29.13 | Justin_ | tarzeau: raid 1 = mirror |
| 21:29.17 | tarzeau | Justin_: j/k :) |
| 21:29.20 | k-man | how do i include spaces in a share name in fstab? |
| 21:29.22 | troubled | Justin_: what, two 512mb drives? |
| 21:29.23 | Justin_ | !tell pshaggy about audio |
| 21:29.30 | Justin_ | troubled: 2 2.1 :) |
| 21:29.30 | tarzeau | Justin_: how muhc memory got yours? |
| 21:29.33 | zwane | troubled: yes |
| 21:29.35 | dnc_ | pshaggy: the mixer? |
| 21:29.36 | rahul | pshaggy: use a mixer to turn on the volume |
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| 21:29.39 | zwane | troubled: all on the same address |
| 21:29.39 | troubled | Justin_: wow, now your talking |
| 21:29.42 | Justin_ | tarzeau: 384 |
| 21:29.56 | Justin_ | my ss20 has 416 heh |
| 21:29.59 | tarzeau | Justin_: i've got 2 x 4 gb scsi hd, and 256 memory in mine |
| 21:30.11 | tarzeau | Justin_: wow! killer, tried OPENSTEP 4.2 yet? need the link for the isos again? |
| 21:30.23 | datibbaW | rahul marvellous! it works |
| 21:30.23 | Justin_ | tarzeau: no:-P |
| 21:30.32 | troubled | zwane: ahh, i see, same ip your on now |
| 21:30.49 | zwane | hmm shouldnt be, thats the cable connection |
| 21:30.52 | troubled | zwane: so you do run your dns. thought you said your isp did' |
| 21:31.00 | zwane | i run dns for forward zone |
| 21:31.08 | troubled | zwane: sorry, the swanem ip |
| 21:31.12 | zwane | isp does for 66.in-addr.arpa |
| 21:31.25 | zwane | ahh |
| 21:31.34 | troubled | zwane: of course :) dont know of any sane isp that would deligate reverse |
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| 21:31.41 | rahul | datibbaW: I didn't even have to hold your hand. how refreshing. :) |
| 21:31.43 | zwane | zwanem should be droppping offline |
| 21:31.59 | zwane | troubled: i know mohawk does |
| 21:32.03 | troubled | zwane: well, some may offer to change reverse, but I cant see them allowing random upates |
| 21:32.04 | zwane | but they are colo |
| 21:32.19 | zwane | and a rather decent outfit |
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| 21:32.34 | zwane | http://mohawk.ca/default.php |
| 21:32.35 | troubled | zwane: figure theres probably too many isps getting sick of vanity domains and dns based attacks |
| 21:32.36 | MightyMark | does anyone in here do any ham radio stuff with debian? |
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| 21:32.53 | MightyMark | especially aprs/packet |
| 21:32.56 | Justin_ | tarzeau: I want to get transcode compiled on it and see how many fps it can do as a dvdrip node :-) |
| 21:33.03 | rahul | MightyMark: I think there are howtos for that |
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| 21:33.16 | rahul | MightyMark: definitely look in the kernel docs, too |
| 21:33.18 | MightyMark | rahul: there are, I just wanted to meet some hams that use debian |
| 21:33.28 | PEiKKO | hello everyone...... do i need all the CDs to isntall the debian 3.0_r2 for i386..... if i don't, what do i need |
| 21:33.29 | rahul | MightyMark: well, why not linux in general? |
| 21:33.34 | pngwn | MightyMark, try #hamradio |
| 21:33.39 | MightyMark | that's fine too - but this is a debian channel |
| 21:33.42 | rahul | PEiKKO: you need what the install doc says you need |
| 21:34.00 | troubled | zwane: but do they deligate reverse to your machine? or will they change reverse upon request? |
| 21:34.01 | MightyMark | suggestion taken, I'm guessing nobody in here is a ham |
| 21:34.05 | rahul | PEiKKO: in short, you need 0 CDs, 0 floppies, and 0 files. |
| 21:34.12 | zwane | troubled: they delagate a block |
| 21:34.14 | knoppix | what major distro you recon is gona realease 1st new year edition |
| 21:34.15 | zwane | delegate |
| 21:34.16 | rahul | PEiKKO: but you'll need at least 1 CD, 1 floppy, or 1 file. |
| 21:34.24 | zwane | troubled: you can basically get them to do anything |
| 21:34.28 | tarzeau | PEiKKO: if you have SPARC you need 0 CD |
| 21:34.30 | PEiKKO | ok... thakns |
| 21:34.40 | tarzeau | PEiKKO: you have funny nickname |
| 21:34.44 | troubled | zwane: but you have to put in a request I assume? |
| 21:34.44 | rahul | tarzeau: what does sparc have to do with that? |
| 21:34.45 | tarzeau | apt nickometer PEiKKO |
| 21:34.45 | | 'PEiKKO' is 78.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 21:34.51 | knoppix | what major distro you recon is gona realease 1st new year edition ? |
| 21:34.53 | zwane | troubled: or allow you to update their ns |
| 21:34.54 | rahul | tarzeau: I know of no arch that needs CDs |
| 21:35.03 | zwane | troubled: no, just update |
| 21:35.11 | troubled | zwane: well, thats nice of them :) Can cause all sorts of problems |
| 21:35.21 | zwane | troubled: its not cheap |
| 21:35.26 | tola | knoppix don't repeat questions mate, it's annoying |
| 21:35.27 | tarzeau | rahul: i have seen computer i386 that have not enough place to have network card, and no floppy drive is no option (is broke) |
| 21:35.32 | zwane | so if you dork around you're screwing yourself |
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| 21:35.36 | rahul | tarzeau: so? |
| 21:35.37 | tarzeau | rahul: on sparc you can netboot easier, what i mean |
| 21:35.37 | knoppix | no one was ansered |
| 21:35.37 | troubled | zwane: well, I cant assume getting a whole class C would be |
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| 21:35.45 | tarzeau | rahul: they all have network card |
| 21:35.46 | FerociuS\ | When i make a INPUT DROP in my iptables, the server can't connect to the apt source.. is there any special port i need to open? |
| 21:35.50 | tola | knoppix: probably means they're not going to |
| 21:35.52 | rahul | tarzeau: what if your sparc isn't connected to a network? |
| 21:35.54 | zwane | troubled: we basically managed to get it last time by a small barter |
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| 21:36.01 | rahul | tarzeau: same problems as you have with x86 |
| 21:36.08 | troubled | zwane: you use them now? |
| 21:36.16 | zwane | troubled: not anymore, the deal kinda ran out. |
| 21:36.18 | tarzeau | rahul: you don't need a network, one crossover cable and another computer si enough |
| 21:36.26 | zwane | troubled: lots of gambling sites use them |
| 21:36.28 | rahul | tarzeau: that IS a network :P |
| 21:36.33 | tarzeau | rahul: aha :) |
| 21:36.35 | rahul | a small one, but a network |
| 21:36.47 | tarzeau | rahul: it is not just two computers with a cable? |
| 21:36.57 | rahul | tarzeau: that is a network |
| 21:37.04 | rahul | two computers networked together |
| 21:37.04 | honschu | Where to add modulechanges in woody like "pre-install joydev rmmod lp" |
| 21:37.18 | troubled | zwane: well, I must admit, I wish my isp could do hosting like the big boys. I get sick of everything off one ip |
| 21:37.19 | rahul | honschu: /etc/modutils/local and run update-modules |
| 21:37.24 | mfbian | how can i only allow one instance of squidGuard |
| 21:37.25 | tarzeau | rahul: ok :) |
| 21:37.25 | zwane | troubled: hehehe |
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| 21:37.33 | Motoko | hello |
| 21:37.36 | tarzeau | hello |
| 21:37.38 | honschu | rahul: Where is this documented? |
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| 21:37.55 | rahul | honschu: man update-modules, /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:38.01 | zwane | troubled: well we had a dinky little x86 rack next to some enterprise 450s and a lot of rather large looking suns, dell poweredge etc |
| 21:38.03 | troubled | zwane: and dhcp for ip's sucks ass. I would have to install 3 nics to grab all three ips on this cable box. aliasing doesnt seem to do the trick |
| 21:38.16 | honschu | rahul: thx |
| 21:38.24 | Motoko | Can I use dpkg to change where LILO is installed to? |
| 21:38.33 | troubled | zwane: i want one of the newer model poweredges. mines the 4200. very dated. but stable |
| 21:38.36 | tarzeau | Motoko: you can use GRUB! |
| 21:38.43 | zwane | troubled: what's in it? |
| 21:38.47 | troubled | Motoko: yes, grub is your friend |
| 21:38.52 | Motoko | lol |
| 21:39.11 | zwane | troubled: that's the 333? |
| 21:39.14 | troubled | zwane: dual p2 333, 512mb ram, 6x9gig scsi sca with megaraid raid |
| 21:39.18 | troubled | zwane: yup |
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| 21:39.26 | zwane | megaraid, is that dpt? |
| 21:39.29 | Motoko | I have 2 systems and when I boot them up it'll just show "LI" and hang so I have to use a rescue floppy |
| 21:39.29 | troubled | zwane: surprisingly fast for linux in command line |
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| 21:39.38 | troubled | zwane: megaraid hardware raid card |
| 21:39.42 | FerociuS\ | Any iptables guys in here ? |
| 21:39.50 | snoke | how i create Contents-xxx.gz ? |
| 21:39.52 | zwane | troubled: i used to use dual p2 400, 512M 2940UW2 and it was pretty fast |
| 21:40.00 | troubled | zwane: better than the software raid. helps offload the raid stuff from the cpu's since they slow enough |
| 21:40.03 | zwane | troubled: does that use the dpt scsi driver? |
| 21:40.12 | yaiLLf8d | good afternoon all anyone here running a optical usb mouse? if so anyone know what kernel support I need for it? |
| 21:40.19 | troubled | zwane: no, actually uses the megaraid driver :) |
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| 21:40.28 | zwane | i see, dell has some weird branding |
| 21:40.56 | troubled | zwane: ahh. the card is actually by AMI (AMI Megaraid Enterprise 1300) i think thats this model |
| 21:41.12 | yaiLLf8d | better question is what do I set as the device in my xf86config for a usb mouse? |
| 21:41.13 | troubled | zwane: got a few of the 1200's (428's). This ones the 438 model |
| 21:41.16 | rahul | zenwolf: AMI |
| 21:41.33 | zwane | troubled: ahh, i have a precision workstation 410 |
| 21:41.36 | troubled | rahul: learn to type ;) |
| 21:41.41 | rahul | meh |
| 21:41.45 | zwane | troubled: but its stuck in freebsd 4.8 for work |
| 21:41.51 | rahul | off by one |
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| 21:42.13 | knoppix | did you know that knoppix is higly rated than debian on distrowatch ? |
| 21:42.15 | troubled | zwane: actually, I almost bought a cheap dual 500mhz with 512mb. but I opted for the second 4200 instead. (secondary spare parts) |
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| 21:42.28 | troubled | zwane: what do you do for work anyways? |
| 21:42.31 | zwane | troubled: you can get 500-550 xeons for cheap |
| 21:42.55 | zwane | troubled: these days its mostly maintaining the freebsd and netbsd rtcore (aka rtlinux) ports |
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| 21:43.01 | yaiLLf8d | brb |
| 21:43.16 | tola | knoppix: I wouldn't bother with that discussion. Knoppix and Debian are for two very different purposes. |
| 21:43.37 | falmarian | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.37 | falmarian | dpkg: error processing ldso.deb (--install): |
| 21:43.37 | falmarian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.37 | falmarian | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:43.37 | falmarian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:43.39 | dpkg | You are moron #10, falmarian |
| 21:43.39 | dpkg | falmarian: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:43.45 | troubled | heh |
| 21:43.55 | knoppix | what debian purpose ? |
| 21:44.00 | zwane | troubled: so most of the boxes are in netbsd or freebsd for the majority of the time. i still cant run SMP on freebsd though, hoping to debug that this week |
| 21:44.05 | troubled | knoppix: stop trolling |
| 21:44.11 | Sebulba02 | hmm |
| 21:44.26 | troubled | zwane: i thought freebsd had smp for a while now |
| 21:44.27 | tola | knoppix: I have to agree with troubled you're not really making any productive discussion here |
| 21:44.32 | knoppix | isnt linux supodes to suit users purposes ? |
| 21:44.34 | streuner | knoppix: take that elsewhere |
| 21:44.40 | IanT0469 | Has anyone had success in getting Asterisk or Bayonne working under Debian with a Dialogics Card? |
| 21:44.45 | zwane | troubled: it does, but this is for realtime freebsd |
| 21:45.18 | troubled | zwane: its hosting the files yes? But what does that have to do with the os its running? |
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| 21:45.31 | zwane | troubled: i get hard lockups or general nastiness when handling interrupts |
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| 21:45.36 | troubled | zwane: your not running realtime os on a hosting box are you? |
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| 21:45.56 | zwane | oh, i dont really do the hosting thing |
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| 21:46.04 | falmarian | anybody know why I'd have a problem installing ldso.deb? |
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| 21:46.08 | zwane | troubled: thats on the side with a friend |
| 21:46.21 | dijz | olá |
| 21:46.27 | zwane | troubled: the hosting box is linux 2.5-something |
| 21:46.27 | ccg | my box is part of 2 lans , can both lans have the same netmask ? |
| 21:46.39 | zwane | troubled: single celeron 433 even |
| 21:46.41 | ribnitz | ccg: yes |
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| 21:46.43 | troubled | zwane: so, you still recommend 2.6? :) |
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| 21:46.49 | zwane | troubled: very much so =) |
| 21:46.50 | troubled | rahul: you there? |
| 21:46.54 | zwane | Linux montezuma.fsmlabs.com 2.6.0-mm1-zm2 #1 SMP Tue Dec 23 11:18:41 EST 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 21:46.58 | zwane | =) |
| 21:47.02 | ribnitz | ccg: but you probably mean same ip |
| 21:47.05 | troubled | Linux ns1 2.4.23-grsec #1 SMP Wed Dec 3 22:21:16 EST 2003 i686 unknown |
| 21:47.11 | ccg | ribnitz: nono |
| 21:47.17 | k-man | how can i tell which groups a user belongs to? |
| 21:47.27 | troubled | zwane: i aint touching 2.6 yet |
| 21:47.41 | ribnitz | ccg: 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0, 192.168.2.1/255.255.255.0 second is netmask |
| 21:47.49 | [Cadet] | k-man: vigr or types groups as that user |
| 21:47.53 | zwane | troubled: probably wise, but problems in 2.6 right now are fairly minor |
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| 21:48.12 | troubled | zwane: its all minor until the kernel panic's and you loose a fs :) |
| 21:48.20 | k-man | thanks cadet |
| 21:48.32 | zwane | troubled: my main development box is 2.6 :P |
| 21:48.37 | k-man | [Cadet], vigr is a command? |
| 21:48.42 | zwane | troubled: and that gets a fair amount of abuse |
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| 21:48.58 | troubled | zwane: thats fine for a workstation, but I have no desire to lock up my machine yet hehe |
| 21:49.02 | [Cadet] | k-man: yes |
| 21:49.10 | Blezu | hey what is the command to list all pci devices plugged in? |
| 21:49.15 | zwane | troubled: well i have it running on my hosting box too |
| 21:49.17 | [Cadet] | editor for the group file |
| 21:49.21 | ribnitz | Blezu: lspci |
| 21:49.22 | troubled | zwane: besides, im not an active helper when it comes to helping debug |
| 21:49.38 | crash | i canät downlao dlspci wioth apt-get install lspci |
| 21:49.40 | zwane | troubled: i'm fairly confident about it, i'll be putting forward a port recommendation for rtlinux very soon |
| 21:49.43 | k-man | [Cadet], thanks, i realised it was vi gr after i typed the question :) |
| 21:49.52 | troubled | zwane: well, im sure there are some here running sarge on development systems too. BUt it doesnt mean its a smart thing to do :) |
| 21:50.10 | zwane | actually sarge probably has a greater chance of going wrong |
| 21:50.18 | zwane | as do other current distributions |
| 21:50.19 | ribnitz | troubled: I have a sarge box (as production thing). |
| 21:50.22 | troubled | zwane: probably right :) |
| 21:50.33 | rahul | troubled: no |
| 21:50.37 | troubled | zwane: see, theres always someone who's running bleeding edge heh |
| 21:50.43 | zwane | troubled: plus 2.6 completely tears 2.4 apart performance wise |
| 21:50.46 | crash | apt-get install lspci?? |
| 21:50.54 | rahul | crash: pciutils, I think |
| 21:50.54 | troubled | rahul: zwane wanted me to tell you that debian software is too old ;) |
| 21:50.59 | rahul | haha |
| 21:51.00 | crash | ohh k thx |
| 21:51.02 | rahul | what a fool |
| 21:51.12 | zwane | troubled: hehehe |
| 21:51.21 | k-man | does debian create a group that all users are part of by default? |
| 21:51.23 | dnc_ | crash: pciutils |
| 21:51.32 | crash | thx rahul that was that apckages |
| 21:51.34 | crash | packages |
| 21:51.36 | rahul | k-man: define "all" |
| 21:51.37 | troubled | zwane: dont get me wrong, the changelog and features looks impressive. I just dont pick em up until around .10+ Not until they had time to work out the glitches |
| 21:51.38 | crash | and thx dnc |
| 21:51.45 | ribnitz | k-man: no, I dont think so |
| 21:51.58 | zwane | troubled: we've been working out glitches for months ;) see how the point release was so smooth? |
| 21:52.00 | k-man | rahul, um... real users that can login.... |
| 21:52.09 | [Cadet] | k-man: you can always modify adduser.conf |
| 21:52.18 | quant | how can i allow passwords greater than 8 chars? |
| 21:52.22 | zwane | troubled: hard to deny that .0 was surprisingly clean |
| 21:52.29 | quant | and does anyone know a nice ftp server? |
| 21:52.32 | troubled | zwane: well, not sure high they went with the 2.5's comapared to the 2.1's |
| 21:52.39 | rahul | k-man: looks like the answer is no by default anyway |
| 21:52.46 | rahul | troubled: 60-sometihng, I think |
| 21:52.46 | ribnitz | quant: proftpd, probabnly the best I found so far |
| 21:52.47 | troubled | zwane: cant comment, never used 2.5 or 2.6 yet though |
| 21:52.48 | k-man | rahul, yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:53.02 | troubled | rahul: wasnt 2.1 in the .100 range? |
| 21:53.12 | quant | thanks ribnitz |
| 21:53.41 | ribnitz | quant: an pw >8 can break system wen mygrating, but look at pam |
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| 21:53.54 | troubled | zwane: well, you seem to at least know of sarge. you still consider debian software out of date? I know woody isnt exactly bleeding edge, but it is very stable |
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| 21:54.10 | zwane | troubled: well slightly archaic ;} |
| 21:54.18 | quant | ribnitz: i don't understand that. do you know what i could search for? |
| 21:54.20 | troubled | zwane: actually, most people using woody sseem to want latest X and kde more than anything |
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| 21:54.33 | troubled | zwane: perhaps you should try sid ;) |
| 21:54.40 | ribnitz | quant: pluggable authentication modules |
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| 21:54.49 | quant | ta |
| 21:55.05 | zwane | troubled: i'm not really a debian fan ;} |
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| 21:55.08 | KaiOwA | hi |
| 21:55.15 | troubled | get him! |
| 21:55.30 | zwane | troubled: this thing has been RH since 7.2 or so, it'll probably stay at RH9 for another year or so |
| 21:55.35 | troubled | zwane: go back to #fedora then! :) |
| 21:55.38 | zwane | troubled: :P |
| 21:55.42 | Blezu | i have trouble compiling my kernel with the good ethernet driver ...i have a linksys network everywhere fast ethernet 10/100 does anyone know what driver i need for that card? |
| 21:55.48 | troubled | zwane: debian is cool though. cant say I liked red hat |
| 21:55.54 | KaiOwA | i am searching a vcd record app that support making a little menu, anyone know one¿¿ |
| 21:56.03 | zwane | Blezu: try rtl8139 or tulip |
| 21:56.07 | ribnitz | zwane: debian is the thing you want on a server. where things need to be up and running. Its neither the easiest to install nor the most 'user-friendly', there are other distros for that. |
| 21:56.24 | troubled | zwane: truth be told, years ago when I got a book with cd's in it, i was going to try red hat buut the cd wouldnt boot so I tried the slackware one instead. And history knows the rest from there |
| 21:56.29 | Blezu | zwane: yeah both of them are in and nothing :| |
| 21:56.33 | zwane | ribnitz: i went with familiarity, i'm happy with RH |
| 21:56.40 | zwane | Blezu: lspci? |
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| 21:57.12 | zwane | troubled: slack is ok |
| 21:57.24 | troubled | Blezu: try apt-get install discover? |
| 21:57.30 | ribnitz | zwane: thats fine. At the time I made my decision, there was a debian and a suse, and the suse didn't work on the hw |
| 21:57.32 | zwane | troubled: basically RH is the quickest for me to get a working box from |
| 21:57.39 | troubled | zwane: it was until you need to install from source heh |
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| 21:58.04 | troubled | zwane: i would think debian is faster then rh. with dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:58.12 | zwane | troubled: doubt it, highly |
| 21:58.16 | troubled | zwane: well, assuming your on a fast broadband connection |
| 21:58.24 | blokkie | somebody /version me ? |
| 21:58.24 | wye | que apache me instalo? 1.3, 2, 2.1 ? |
| 21:58.24 | ribnitz | debian can be very fast to get a basic system up |
| 21:58.41 | zwane | ribnitz: by basic, i mean one with most apps already installed not just a rootfs |
| 21:58.44 | petemc | zwane: are you a troll? |
| 21:58.45 | troubled | zwane: i dont know. its a pretty fast install. other than manually partitioning |
| 21:58.46 | Kraig | wye: vaya a #debian-es |
| 21:58.49 | wye | what version of my apache must i install? 1.3, 2, 2.1? |
| 21:58.58 | wye | sorry kraig |
| 21:59.00 | beta3 | brb |
| 21:59.01 | beta3 | reboot |
| 21:59.06 | troubled | zwane: sounds like your starting a flame war hehe |
| 21:59.10 | wye | i forgot to talk in english |
| 21:59.11 | zwane | petemc: no, i dont believe i am |
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| 21:59.27 | ribnitz | wye: I'd do with 1.3, but there are ppl that go with 2.x |
| 21:59.36 | zwane | troubled: bah i was hardly inciting anything |
| 21:59.45 | troubled | zwane: are you familiar with dpkg --get-selection > selections.save? |
| 21:59.45 | ralf | Hi |
| 21:59.52 | zwane | troubled: no, i dont use debian at all |
| 21:59.54 | troubled | zwane: dont worry, its all good |
| 21:59.55 | ribnitz | hello ralf |
| 22:00.29 | ralf | anyone here has uncc? |
| 22:00.35 | troubled | zwane: just saves the current package like. its the same as the rpm command to spit out the package lists. then on a new install you just dpkg --set-selections and your in business |
| 22:00.45 | troubled | zwane: of course systems always require tweaking |
| 22:00.48 | Blezu | troubled : it loaded tulip :) ill boot onto 2.6 and see if it works |
| 22:00.50 | MightyMark | I'm not sure what I did, but x isn't starting any more, and I can't find any error lines in the XF86 error log file in /var log |
| 22:00.56 | troubled | Blezu: :) |
| 22:01.00 | MightyMark | oops: /var/log |
| 22:01.02 | crash | dpkg -i and the name att the.deb |
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| 22:01.06 | troubled | Blezu: discover is your daddy |
| 22:01.29 | Blezu | lol yeah :) |
| 22:01.40 | troubled | Blezu: just make sure you start with a .config from your /boot so it has the same modules available by default |
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| 22:01.56 | troubled | Blezu: a make oldconfig should give you a nice start before you menuconfig |
| 22:02.07 | ralf | ohh! My download took 5.2 kb/s!! |
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| 22:02.34 | MightyMark | whew... it was the .xsession file |
| 22:02.40 | troubled | zwane: actually, all the distro's seem to have their good and bad areas. I just like apt-get on a system cause its easy to tell someone how to install stuff on irc :) |
| 22:02.47 | MightyMark | I didn't have one, so I just made one to stick in a few lines, musta forgot something ;) |
| 22:02.51 | troubled | zwane: tried apt-rpm yet? curious how it runs |
| 22:03.02 | Kraig | ralf: is it good or bad? |
| 22:03.06 | zwane | troubled: i generally hate package management on linux |
| 22:03.14 | zwane | troubled: its something i rarely do so i tend to ignore it |
| 22:03.20 | lebowski | zwane: try it on windows instead |
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| 22:03.37 | troubled | zwane: agreed. but its a necessary evil if you want to install your own stuff without forcing everything to install despite dep problems |
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| 22:04.02 | ralf | what about #flood? |
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| 22:04.06 | MightyMark | is there something I need to put in my .xsession file for it to "work right" (all I had was one line (gkrellm &) |
| 22:04.06 | zwane | lebowski: i have no need to install software on windows |
| 22:04.12 | ralf | it's really good! |
| 22:04.34 | zwane | troubled: my normal installs are normally just base with normal dev tools and a few source packages |
| 22:04.59 | ralf | anyone here has the program 'uncc' ? |
| 22:05.14 | zwane | troubled: i find that the RH/Fedora workstation install gets just about everything i need save 2 or 3 custom compiled things which i keep locally |
| 22:05.15 | troubled | zwane: what about servers? just pick the server selection? |
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| 22:05.34 | asg | ralf: no, but that's the university I went to :) |
| 22:05.40 | beta3 | hey asg |
| 22:05.46 | zwane | troubled: yeah normally the server selection and then remove stuff manually before going ahead |
| 22:05.46 | asg | beta3: hiya |
| 22:05.52 | ralf | zwane: do you have fedora? |
| 22:06.09 | ralf | asg: ? |
| 22:06.11 | beta3 | asg: new decision, Im going to make this machine my router for my house |
| 22:06.12 | zwane | ralf: yeah one of my testboxes has it |
| 22:06.20 | troubled | zwane: well, if you were hardcore in debian, you could either make your own virtual package that just says it depends on whatever you need and install that. or you could get a dev system the way you like and save the package list. Then you just need cable/dsl and away you go |
| 22:06.28 | beta3 | asg: and Ill turn the linksys piece into a hub |
| 22:06.29 | ralf | uncc? |
| 22:06.36 | troubled | zwane: that or be crazy enough to download all the debian cd's you need |
| 22:06.51 | asg | ralf: hehe, nm |
| 22:06.53 | zwane | troubled: the post installation stuff is what bugs me, i'd be happier with getting all the debian cds |
| 22:07.00 | asg | beta3: cool |
| 22:07.00 | zwane | troubled: ie waitign for stuff to dwonload |
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| 22:07.07 | asg | ralf: University of North Carolina at Charlotte |
| 22:07.12 | aphex | question, my X is only supporting 1024x768 resolution, and the only color depth it supports is 24 and less, my card is a Gforce 440MX, the current driver in X is the vesa driver, is there anything I can do, I don't care if I have the Gforce works or not, I just want the nice colordepth and 1600x1200 resolution |
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| 22:07.16 | ralf | I'm downloading the 7 woody's cd |
| 22:07.22 | beta3 | asg: Now I just need access to all the info in the router so I can run my ip static without dhcp |
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| 22:07.34 | troubled | zwane: actually, my downloads are very fast. install usually only takes 5-10 minutes |
| 22:07.44 | asg | beta3: you could always run dhcp on the router |
| 22:07.46 | hanasaki | what is a good terminal emulator for X that can be set to transparent? |
| 22:07.51 | beta3 | asg: no |
| 22:07.53 | asg | hanasaki: Eterm, aterm |
| 22:07.53 | zwane | troubled: /dev/hda1 19G 12G 6.0G 66% / |
| 22:07.54 | asg | beta3: k |
| 22:07.56 | ribnitz | btw, is there any 'filesharing tool' (video,audio) in the debian packages list? |
| 22:08.02 | hanasaki | asg thanks |
| 22:08.02 | ralf | i have a flat gprs :( |
| 22:08.02 | zwane | troubled: i install a lot of crap |
| 22:08.04 | beta3 | asg: the second nic will be running dhcp, the router doesn't help whatso ever |
| 22:08.05 | asg | hanasaki: np |
| 22:08.12 | beta3 | asg: the thing never works, it only works well as a hub |
| 22:08.16 | asg | beta3: ah, okay. Misunderstood what you said |
| 22:08.40 | troubled | zwane: dont forget everything in packages is compressed though. heck, just compare kernel source to unpackage :) |
| 22:08.43 | ribnitz | beta3: what is it? (make, model?) |
| 22:08.46 | hanasaki | hmm asg do eterm or aterm require me to run afterstep or enlightenment? thats what they are named for acording to the aptcache show |
| 22:08.54 | asg | hanasaki: no, not at all |
| 22:08.56 | beta3 | ribnitz: let me see\ |
| 22:09.07 | hanasaki | k |
| 22:09.08 | zwane | zwane@montezuma linux-2.6.0-mm1 {0:1} du -sh |
| 22:09.08 | asg | hanasaki: I use Eterm here and I run fvwm |
| 22:09.08 | zwane | 929M . |
| 22:09.12 | zwane | troubled: and then compile ;) |
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| 22:09.19 | beta3 | ribnitz: BEFSR41 |
| 22:09.21 | ribnitz | hanasaki: they'll install the libs they need |
| 22:09.27 | troubled | zwane: oh yeah ;) |
| 22:09.27 | beta3 | ribnitz: linksys of course |
| 22:09.32 | zwane | troubled: i just had to pickup a 120G disk to accomodate the staging disk for my kernel builds |
| 22:09.52 | zwane | troubled: mostly due to debug symbols, but i need it anyway |
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| 22:10.13 | ribnitz | beta3: have a linksys network card, works fine |
| 22:10.18 | troubled | zwane: seems a little overboard but nothing wrong with extra space when you consider the prices these days |
| 22:10.31 | hanasaki | thanks folks.. i was using powershell.. the Tabs are great and i dont wanna loose them.. but powerterm cant control the degree of transparency :( |
| 22:10.38 | hanasaki | and eterm/aterm dont have tabs |
| 22:10.39 | hanasaki | :( |
| 22:10.43 | troubled | zwane: so what kind of security you use on the servers? |
| 22:11.02 | ljlane | hanasaki: eterm in sid has Escreen, which is close enough |
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| 22:11.22 | zwane | troubled: no IDS or anything |
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| 22:11.35 | zwane | troubled: basically only port forwarding going on. |
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| 22:11.41 | blaalys | I cant get procmail to sort out mails with header List-post: <mailto:my-list@listserver.org> (#procmail is silent, sorry if it's OT here) |
| 22:11.42 | troubled | zwane: why not? May I interest you in grsec? its worth while |
| 22:11.43 | zwane | troubled: lots of prayer |
| 22:11.56 | troubled | zwane: prayer work 99% of the time ;) |
| 22:11.57 | ribnitz | beta3: one router is netgear, the other is..netopia |
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| 22:12.07 | hanasaki | ljlane: thanks! /me makes a note for when that makes it to sarge.. hanasaki runs sarge all the tiem.. woord is too old for me |
| 22:12.11 | zwane | troubled: i used up 80G of disk in build trees so 120G was the next upgrade |
| 22:12.16 | beta3 | ribnitz: I love my linksys card, works like a charm with tulip |
| 22:12.28 | rovragge | apt-get update gives me: E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/.. i've tried switching mirror site, doesnt help.. what can be the problem? |
| 22:12.28 | ljlane | hanasaki; sorry, it's in sarge already |
| 22:12.31 | blaalys | I know that procmail works, coz it fills .pmlog, and works for certain other lists - i tried ^List-post .*my-list@listserver\.org.* - no luck :-( |
| 22:12.34 | zwane | troubled: i dont think i could be sold on grsec |
| 22:12.40 | ribnitz | beta3: tried natsemi? |
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| 22:12.42 | ralf | I opened a new channel and i kicked myself! |
| 22:12.47 | troubled | zwane: any reason why not? |
| 22:12.49 | Sub_Liminal | is there a module in the kernel for netgear cards or do you have to compile a driver off of their cd? |
| 22:12.49 | beta3 | ribnitz: ? |
| 22:12.49 | zwane | troubled: unfortunately, i dont have the personal time to look at it |
| 22:12.58 | Sub_Liminal | its a fa312 pci 10/100 32 bit card |
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| 22:13.04 | ribnitz | beta3: miner uses natsemi (10/100) |
| 22:13.27 | ribnitz | beta3: fa 312 I think. |
| 22:13.32 | hanasaki | ljlane: rock on! is Escreen the bin file or the package name? apt-cache returns nothing |
| 22:13.41 | Justin_ | grr, sbuild is stupid |
| 22:13.54 | beta3 | Justin_: it is, thats why pbuilder was designed |
| 22:13.58 | ralf | when sarge will became stable? |
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| 22:14.03 | Justin_ | beta3: ahh, is pbuilder not stupid? |
| 22:14.08 | ribnitz | ralf: no idea. |
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| 22:14.14 | troubled | zwane: well, its a wirthwhile patch. helps by randomizing stack addresses among other things. Lots of stuff to help prevent stack smashing and such. Plus lots of chroot restrictions. Great for someone using prayerids-1.0 ;) |
| 22:14.15 | Justin_ | oooh, this looks better |
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| 22:14.20 | beta3 | Justin_: pbuilder is actually useful, i use it for my backporting since I don't have a straight clean woody system here |
| 22:14.25 | ribnitz | ralf: but you can run it now. I do. works fine |
| 22:14.38 | Justin_ | grri dont want a chroot |
| 22:14.50 | ljlane | hanasaki: it's in the man page. It works with GNU screen and provides tabs for the screen windows. Eterm -t Escreen loads an theme with it setup. Try it. |
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| 22:15.06 | hanasaki | nice |
| 22:15.09 | zwane | troubled: might look at ingo's code instead for the stack stuff |
| 22:15.14 | zwane | troubled: but that would be on 2.6 |
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| 22:15.24 | Justin_ | im trying to build all the mplayer/transcode packages for sparc, but sbuild is dumb and doesn't realize it needs to build the source packages to satisfy build-deps |
| 22:15.25 | kevin | my network isn't up unless I force 'ifup eth0' how can I make this happen automaticlaly? |
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| 22:15.46 | beta3 | Justin_: it doesn't leave a crappy chroot around either |
| 22:15.47 | ribnitz | kevin: /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces). |
| 22:15.49 | troubled | zwane: well, keep grsec in mind. ive been using it for a while now without problems. www.grsecurity.net |
| 22:15.59 | Justin_ | beta3: i dont want a chroot, i want it to just build |
| 22:16.02 | kevin | ribnitz: thanks |
| 22:16.12 | beta3 | Justin_: it untars one for the build, installs the packages, and then when its done it destroys it |
| 22:16.12 | ljlane | kevin: auto eth0 in there |
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| 22:16.16 | runa | hey :) I have my linux box and 2 routers doing nat (one with cable and the other one with adsl). I would like to have one as the default gateway but still being able to send packets using the other connection. how can I do this? |
| 22:16.21 | zwane | troubled: ta |
| 22:16.28 | beta3 | Justin_: its the most effective way of doing it |
| 22:16.28 | Justin_ | beta3: i dont have space for that, nor is one needed |
| 22:16.34 | Sean-Paul | what i need to do, to install package "gtk+-2.0" from apt-get? |
| 22:17.13 | Sean-Paul | is this possible? |
| 22:17.13 | beta3 | Justin_: then install devscripts, and run debuild |
| 22:17.13 | ribnitz | runa: policy based routing? |
| 22:17.13 | Justin_ | hmm |
| 22:17.13 | troubled | zwane: pretty harmless patch too. Not sure what the status is for 2.6 though. But I imagine if its not out yet it should be soon |
| 22:17.14 | kevin | thanks ljlane |
| 22:17.16 | runa | ribnitz: I can do that using iproute, right? |
| 22:17.21 | ralf | What are setuid setgid and sticky bits? |
| 22:17.39 | ribnitz | Sean-Paul: apt-get install libgtk(something). apt-cache search libgtk will show the exact package |
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| 22:17.45 | troubled | ralf: prgram runs as the owner/group instead of who runs it |
| 22:17.54 | Sean-Paul | ok thanks |
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| 22:18.08 | ribnitz | ralf: set user id/gorup id on execution. and sticky bits are hard to explain in a chat |
| 22:18.08 | ljlane | runa: http://www.lartc.org/howto/ section 4.2 |
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| 22:18.21 | zwane | troubled: i was referring to execshield. it's stable |
| 22:18.26 | wye | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.35 | troubled | zwane: havent heard of it |
| 22:18.37 | nvs | wye: sudo? |
| 22:18.38 | ribnitz | ralf: best not use them (sticky bits) |
| 22:18.45 | ralf | if I set bash setuid and I run it from an user account I have root access? |
| 22:18.59 | blaalys | ralf: see the rute linux tutorial: rute.sf.net chapter 14 |
| 22:19.10 | ljlane | ralf, you and everyone else :) |
| 22:19.10 | ribnitz | ralf: yes, but you'd rather use su or sudo for that |
| 22:19.14 | troubled | ralf: basically thats the way it works ;) |
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| 22:19.26 | Ikarus_ | Does anyone know of a glibc update in woody that broke fileutils ? |
| 22:19.28 | beta3 | Justin_: I have it build the stuff in tmpfs, and it uses no hard disk |
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| 22:20.00 | Tchiak | Is there a way to setup my debian box to allow a network install from another computer |
| 22:20.00 | ralf | how setuid setgid and sticky are called? |
| 22:20.08 | kevin | woohoo, it worked! :P |
| 22:20.08 | zwane | troubled: pax? |
| 22:20.17 | troubled | ralf: chmod g+s or u+s |
| 22:20.25 | troubled | zwane: grsec includes pax |
| 22:20.35 | ribnitz | Tchiak: yep, simply open http, or ftp (or bootp..) |
| 22:20.51 | Tchiak | ok i'll have it figure out how to setup bootp |
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| 22:20.59 | zwane | troubled: i'll cook up something with 2.6 ;) |
| 22:21.01 | Tchiak | cause my recieveing computer has the option built in to do a network install |
| 22:21.04 | troubled | zwane: if not the actual code, its a clone of it at least. |
| 22:21.14 | blaalys | ralf: sorry, rute.sf.net down, see http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz ch 14 |
| 22:21.18 | ribnitz | Tchiak: use dhcp if possible |
| 22:21.21 | Sean-Paul | how can i add user on debina? useradd and adduser doest working ;/// |
| 22:21.27 | Justin_ | beta3: that wont work either, its stupid too |
| 22:21.37 | ribnitz | Sean-Paul: it should. |
| 22:21.41 | troubled | Sean-Paul: whats it say? |
| 22:21.46 | troubled | Sean-Paul: are you root? :) |
| 22:21.56 | Sean-Paul | root@debian:/# adduser |
| 22:21.56 | Sean-Paul | sh: adduser: command not found |
| 22:21.56 | Sean-Paul | root@debian:/# useradd |
| 22:21.56 | Sean-Paul | sh: useradd: command not found |
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| 22:21.57 | ralf | if I set a file u+s g+s u-x g-x what I get? |
| 22:22.21 | Justin_ | Firehand: ls -l file |
| 22:22.23 | Justin_ | grrr |
| 22:22.27 | Justin_ | ralf: ls -l file |
| 22:22.31 | ribnitz | Sean-Paul: /usr/sbin/useradd? |
| 22:22.31 | troubled | ralf: those perms dont make sense |
| 22:22.32 | Kraig | ralf: man chmod |
| 22:22.36 | Sean-Paul | oh, i'm not root |
| 22:22.38 | Sean-Paul | ;) |
| 22:22.39 | troubled | ralf: +s implies +x |
| 22:22.42 | Sean-Paul | my mistake |
| 22:22.43 | troubled | Sean-Paul: ;) |
| 22:22.45 | Sean-Paul | ;) |
| 22:22.48 | ribnitz | Sean-Paul: you have a problem with root paths not loading |
| 22:22.49 | Kraig | excellent |
| 22:22.51 | Sean-Paul | ;] |
| 22:23.12 | ralf | and o+s what did mean? |
| 22:23.27 | troubled | ralf: there is no such rule |
| 22:23.34 | Kraig | ralf: man chmod |
| 22:23.53 | troubled | ralf: mind you, there is +t for dir's which would be a similar mode if you comapre octal numbered perm's |
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| 22:23.57 | ribnitz | troubled: you still use the 'symbolic modes'? |
| 22:24.13 | troubled | ribnitz: depends what I feel like ;) |
| 22:24.27 | jetscreamer | if i wanna copy this hd to another hd, everything, perms and all, is cp good enough or do i need something lmore powerful... |
| 22:24.33 | ribnitz | troubled: thats sticky for dirs, that like odnt swap to disk |
| 22:24.39 | troubled | ralf: ie: 4=u+s, 2=g+s, 1=+t |
| 22:24.43 | ralf | +t instead of o+s ? |
| 22:25.00 | troubled | ribnitz: i dont use +t only on tmp o fcourse as per default install |
| 22:25.06 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: depends, are there special files (block,characters on it)? |
| 22:25.20 | ribnitz | troubled: /tmp isnt +t iirc |
| 22:25.21 | troubled | ribnitz: so if you want u+s and g+s you could do 6755 file |
| 22:25.32 | troubled | ribnitz: you sure? |
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| 22:25.53 | ribnitz | troubled: ups, sorry. |
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| 22:25.57 | troubled | ;) |
| 22:26.06 | ribnitz | troubled: /tmp is +t |
| 22:26.18 | tarzeau | ribnitz: do you feel like runnging GNUstep today? |
| 22:26.20 | troubled | ribnitz: i was gonna say how is your system running :) |
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| 22:26.47 | crash | has anyone tried rkhunter?? that is a good spftware |
| 22:26.49 | crash | software |
| 22:26.57 | crash | rootkit.nl |
| 22:26.59 | igel_ | can you tell me, why a there multicolored pixels on the text console, when i exit my x server, its since i installed the nvidia driver? |
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| 22:27.15 | ralf | and if I set a dir o+s g+s ? |
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| 22:27.31 | tarzeau | crash: have you tried freshmeat.net/projects/kops/ yet? |
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| 22:27.40 | crash | nope |
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| 22:27.51 | cafuego | igel_: Because nvidia suck. |
| 22:27.52 | crash | but i gonna look at iit th x tarzeau |
| 22:27.58 | troubled | ralf: g+s works on dirs |
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| 22:28.02 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I run either enlightenment or xfce, not much else, why? |
| 22:28.14 | tarzeau | ribnitz: just curious |
| 22:28.14 | igel_ | cafuego: your answer suxx, too. ;) |
| 22:28.25 | cafuego | igel_: I'm not the one providing bad drivers. |
| 22:28.27 | troubled | ralf: means dir's/files created in that dir keep the same group as the dir and dont assume the group of the owner of the dir |
| 22:28.35 | ralf | troubled: and what did it mean? |
| 22:28.38 | troubled | ralf: i think man chmod will be able to help you more |
| 22:28.43 | jesterea_ | sorry, i'm a newbie, an i have a problem with my cd-writer, the ide-scsi emulation won't work |
| 22:28.46 | troubled | ralf: do a ls -l /home |
| 22:28.47 | ralf | ok |
| 22:28.55 | ralf | I'm under win |
| 22:28.58 | ribnitz | troubled: +t on /tmp makes little sense if /tmp is on a partition of its own, no? |
| 22:29.05 | streuner | jesterea_: what kernel do you use? |
| 22:29.23 | troubled | ralf: notice the dirs should be g+s and probably group staff owner. that means if you make a dir under home as root, it wont be owned by root:root, but will be root:staff |
| 22:29.23 | jesterea_ | 2.4.20-x |
| 22:29.23 | cafuego | ribnitz: Wiothout the +t anyone can delete anyone else's files/ |
| 22:29.27 | ribnitz | tarzeau: but at our lug, we run pretty much the whole spectrum |
| 22:29.27 | jesterea_ | agnula |
| 22:29.36 | mbp2 | Anyone here having problems with php4-gd2 ? |
| 22:29.41 | streuner | jesterea_: /msg dpkg debian burner |
| 22:29.50 | mbp2 | eek, where'd my nick go? |
| 22:29.50 | cafuego | ribnitz: Kinda shitty when Joe Blow goes and trahses your X sockets, for instance. |
| 22:29.54 | troubled | ribnitz: no, it makes perfect sense. means in that dir only root or the owner of a file can unlink(delete) or rename a file |
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| 22:30.08 | tarzeau | ribnitz: we too, at our lug! |
| 22:30.11 | kevin | exit |
| 22:30.11 | ribnitz | cafuego: so the semantics is no longer means 'dont write ot disk'? |
| 22:30.14 | troubled | ribnitz: or else since everyone can write to /tmp anyone could rename/delete files and would be a security issue |
| 22:30.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: maybe we should meet at some sea in summer! |
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| 22:30.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: how many are you in your lug? |
| 22:30.28 | troubled | cafuego: heya |
| 22:30.28 | streuner | jesterea_: and read what the /topic tell you |
| 22:30.36 | tarzeau | ribnitz: how many girls i mean |
| 22:30.39 | jesterea_ | streuner: thx |
| 22:30.40 | ribnitz | tarzeau: officially around 20, irl 5-6 |
| 22:30.41 | cafuego | ribnitz: +t is "sticky" which means "only root or file owner can delete, regardless of other modes" |
| 22:30.45 | tarzeau | don't get me wrong, i'm not chauvinist |
| 22:30.51 | streuner | jesterea_: welcome |
| 22:30.54 | troubled | :) |
| 22:31.03 | ralf | so if the user user1 has a +t file, I can delete it? |
| 22:31.07 | troubled | ribnitz: man chmod, time for a refresher |
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| 22:31.14 | ribnitz | troubled: true |
| 22:31.20 | cafuego | ralf: +t is for directories |
| 22:31.20 | jesterea_ | streuner: you mean the root exploit? |
| 22:31.22 | troubled | ralf: its for dir's |
| 22:31.25 | ribnitz | ralf: sticky for files is different semantics |
| 22:31.28 | asg | kreg: you definitely want the milwakee mice |
| 22:31.29 | streuner | jesterea_: yep |
| 22:31.35 | cafuego | ralf: If user1 has a 666 file in a +t directory, you _cannot_ delete it. |
| 22:31.44 | kreg | heh |
| 22:31.47 | ralf | ok |
| 22:31.52 | jesterea_ | streuner, thx |
| 22:31.53 | troubled | cafuego: thats a file of the devil! |
| 22:31.57 | cafuego | ralf: Unless you're user1 or root. |
| 22:32.06 | asg | '...go mice! let's hear it for the pink and white' -- George Carlin |
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| 22:32.09 | ribnitz | tarzeau: what lake do you have in mind? |
| 22:32.09 | cafuego | troubled: Yes, there's a reason an evil file mode is 666. |
| 22:32.11 | xav | Hi |
| 22:32.36 | troubled | cafuego: keeps religious people from using octal in file modes I thought ;) |
| 22:32.38 | ribnitz | hello xav |
| 22:32.47 | xav | did anyone manage to run a 2.6 kernel under vmware ? |
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| 22:32.52 | tarzeau | ribnitz: bielersee or more near to us? |
| 22:32.52 | troubled | cafuego: the true downfall of base8 number system |
| 22:32.58 | surtyle3 | !list |
| 22:32.59 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 22:33.09 | surtyle3 | xdcc list |
| 22:33.11 | Falkor | Hi, I have a really strange mouse problem. It keeps jumping, moving or doing stuff with dropdown lists when I e.g. doubleclicks on a menu bar, travels around the screen etc. Started all of a sudden (couple of months ago). Any idea whats wrong? |
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| 22:33.24 | ribnitz | tarzeau: is there anything beween bielersee and zürchersee? |
| 22:33.27 | nvs | Falkor: Sounds like gpm. |
| 22:33.28 | ralf | I cannot delete it, but i can empty it (if o+w)? |
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| 22:33.31 | xav | I just installed a debian/sid under vmware, and it fails to run (PANIC in init) |
| 22:33.34 | troubled | Falkor: wrong mouse driver |
| 22:33.34 | bahadunn | anyone know what KDSKBENT: Invalid argument failed to bind key 256 to value 638 is about? |
| 22:33.36 | Eno_ | surtyle3: i'll trade you a debian iso for some moviez |
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| 22:33.44 | IVS | Falkor: your mouse might be fubar... |
| 22:33.44 | Eno_ | :) |
| 22:33.48 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i have no idea, we need to look on worldmap , switzerland map |
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| 22:34.01 | troubled | ralf: yes, if you have +w on a file you can change it |
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| 22:34.10 | ribnitz | tarzeau: you have my mail addy, though our server is down again.. |
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| 22:34.30 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666 |
| 22:34.31 | Falkor | nvs: It hasn't done it before, I am positive it is the right mouse driver. You think gpm is playing with me? I'll check with another mouse and check the config again. cheers. |
| 22:34.33 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666 |
| 22:34.38 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666! |
| 22:34.41 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666!! |
| 22:34.44 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666!!!! |
| 22:34.49 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666!1! |
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| 22:34.54 | KaiOwA | with what app can i open a .ram archive, anyone know another than realplayer??? |
| 22:34.55 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666 |
| 22:34.56 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666! |
| 22:34.56 | Kraig | fuck off ISuckDick |
| 22:34.58 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666 |
| 22:35.01 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666r |
| 22:35.04 | Falkor | ISuckDick: You're doing it for us, why should we do it. |
| 22:35.04 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666s |
| 22:35.05 | nvs | Falkor: I'm not absoultely sure but it's a good candidate. |
| 22:35.05 | ralf | anyone kik ISuck dick |
| 22:35.08 | Kraig | ISuckDick: go to #flood |
| 22:35.09 | Gathond | KaiOwA: mplayer i think |
| 22:35.10 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666a |
| 22:35.12 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666g |
| 22:35.12 | ribnitz | anyone kickban ISuckDick? |
| 22:35.16 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666? |
| 22:35.17 | Falkor | kick him |
| 22:35.20 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666! |
| 22:35.22 | petroquincy | you've got to ask, where does ISuckDick go from here? |
| 22:35.23 | Active2 | ban him |
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| 22:35.30 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666 @ |
| 22:35.33 | KaiOwA | ok, ill try thx |
| 22:35.33 | Gathond | KaiOwA: if you compiled it with realplayer support (needs the win32 dlls) |
| 22:35.35 | ISuckDick | anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna suck dick press 666anyone wanna |
| 22:35.38 | ISuckDick | ? |
| 22:35.39 | Active2 | ISuckDick: shut up |
| 22:35.41 | petroquincy | and there's the answer. |
| 22:35.45 | ribnitz | can't.. not admin |
| 22:35.53 | cafuego | /ignore |
| 22:35.55 | ISuckDick | Active2 u can suck my big dick |
| 22:35.57 | cafuego | You have it, use it. |
| 22:35.57 | Falkor | nvs: thanks, i'll do soem more digging ;) |
| 22:36.00 | ISuckDick | u bitch |
| 22:36.02 | Active2 | bob2: please can you kick him |
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| 22:36.30 | troubled | ISuckDick: are you ready? |
| 22:36.32 | ISuckDick | Eno_ if u want to know my version just ask me |
| 22:36.33 | ToreSB | I had a question |
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| 22:36.35 | ribnitz | cafuego: alot better |
| 22:36.41 | ribnitz | ToreSB: go ahead |
| 22:36.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81.98.208.64] by ljlane |
| 22:36.43 | *** kick/#debian [ISuckDick!ljlane@66.93.83.133] by ljlane (ljlane) |
| 22:36.43 | troubled | batter up! |
| 22:36.44 | ToreSB | But then I went thru hell to get irssi to work again |
| 22:36.47 | Falkor | brb |
| 22:36.47 | ToreSB | and I forgot it |
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| 22:36.47 | Eno_ | nope |
| 22:36.52 | petroquincy | i can't get slrnpull to use a spool in my home directory without telling it to on the command line, even though i have SLRNPULL_ROOT in my profile. is this because it's setuid or something? |
| 22:36.56 | tarzeau | i can't get op here either |
| 22:36.59 | troubled | ljlane: its good! |
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| 22:37.15 | streuner | thanks ljlane |
| 22:37.26 | Active2 | idd thanks :) |
| 22:37.37 | ToreSB | Ah! I remember now. Are there any 2.6.0 debs out there? Are there any CPU-optimized ones? |
| 22:37.45 | ribnitz | are there any 'file-sharing proggies' bundled in sarge? |
| 22:37.57 | ribnitz | ToreSB: didnt see any |
| 22:38.01 | cafuego | ToreSB: Download a tarball, use make-kpkg on it. |
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| 22:38.06 | Eno_ | ribnitz: giFT, xmule |
| 22:38.08 | petemc | ribnitz: mldonkey, bittorrent, nicotine |
| 22:38.10 | Motoko | hello again everyone |
| 22:38.14 | ralf | http://campuscgi.princeton.edu/man?chmod |
| 22:38.15 | cafuego | ribnitz: *ftpd |
| 22:38.21 | ralf | Interesting! |
| 22:38.22 | petroquincy | am i right in thinking the new xconfig is qt-based? |
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| 22:38.34 | troubled | cafuego: why do I get the feeling our dick sucking friend is still in the channel ;) |
| 22:38.36 | ljlane | petroquincy, aye |
| 22:38.36 | splodge2003 | Hello |
| 22:38.39 | cafuego | petroquincy: yes. 'menuconfig' has always been your friend, though. |
| 22:38.40 | gourdin | hi there |
| 22:38.48 | viper1104 | hi all, can anyone tell me how to use the atheros driver for my ibm wlan nix with kismet ? |
| 22:38.53 | petroquincy | cafuego: i've always used menuconfig. is it still quicker? |
| 22:38.58 | ToreSB | cafuego: huh? |
| 22:38.59 | cafuego | troubled: I've got him by the hair and I'm not letting him go until he's done ;-) |
| 22:39.01 | gourdin | is the xserver from debian defaulty not listening to the network ? |
| 22:39.04 | Kraig | lol ISuckDick has been kicked out from #flood! |
| 22:39.06 | cafuego | petroquincy: *nod* |
| 22:39.18 | igel_ | gourdin: why? |
| 22:39.18 | ToreSB | cafuego: What will that do? |
| 22:39.19 | troubled | cafuego: he shouldnt have gave himself away with the "666" reference as per our recent conversation |
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| 22:39.26 | Motoko | do I need any special files or arguments to make GRUB boot ReiserFS ??? |
| 22:39.28 | troubled | cafuego: lol |
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| 22:39.30 | cafuego | ToreSB: Easiestw ay to make your own 2.6.0 kerneld eb. |
| 22:39.31 | bahadunn | what does KDSKBENT do? |
| 22:39.37 | cafuego | Motoko: No. |
| 22:39.46 | troubled | cafuego: you mean "she" right? |
| 22:39.48 | gourdin | igel_: cannot x2x to a debian.. and I didn't search a lot... ;) |
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| 22:39.53 | splodge2003 | Does anyone know where a deb for libasound 0.9.8 is? I can only find 0.9.6. I run testing. |
| 22:39.53 | gourdin | my xhost seems to be ok |
| 22:39.59 | cafuego | troubled: Pretty sure it was a he |
| 22:40.00 | ixion | How do I unzip a bz2? |
| 22:40.02 | ToreSB | cafuego: But - - what kernel options does that give me |
| 22:40.06 | ToreSB | ixion: bunzip2 |
| 22:40.07 | tarzeau | ixion: bunzip2 |
| 22:40.09 | viper1104 | bunzip2 filename |
| 22:40.10 | bahadunn | ixion: bzip2 -d foo |
| 22:40.11 | ixion | Thanks much. |
| 22:40.11 | cafuego | ToreSB: Download it and look. |
| 22:40.12 | troubled | cafuego: your not hearing me, you meant "SHE" right?! |
| 22:40.27 | troubled | cafuego: easier on the mind thinking it was a she hehe |
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| 22:40.30 | ixion | You guys are quick today. |
| 22:40.31 | ToreSB | cafuego: Download what? |
| 22:40.41 | kzar | im trying to install x from scratch and ive never really done that before. Ive installed the xfree86 server thing, and xfce4 but still startx doesnt do anything. Have i missed somthing that i need to install? |
| 22:40.41 | Mave | do I need the sid version of apt for using Packages.bz2 files if they're avaliable ? |
| 22:40.43 | troubled | ixion: and the winner is... |
| 22:40.51 | ToreSB | ixion: Three cups of Jello-textured coffee *twitch* |
| 22:40.52 | Motoko | from the grub line I run "setup (hd0)" and it says "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 22:40.53 | Justin_ | kzar: run tasksel and install X |
| 22:40.54 | cafuego | ToreSB: ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 22:40.57 | troubled | ixion: is there something you would like to tell us? |
| 22:41.02 | kzar | Justin_:ok |
| 22:41.03 | Active2 | kzar: configured your X ? |
| 22:41.05 | petroquincy | kzar: by 'from scratch' do you mean from source? |
| 22:41.10 | troubled | cafuego: are you mocking me? |
| 22:41.11 | spoopin | asg: asg!! |
| 22:41.16 | ixion | I don't understand, troubled. |
| 22:41.16 | roy4lty | #nvidia |
| 22:41.24 | cafuego | Motoko: have you run `grub-install' yet? |
| 22:41.26 | kzar | by from scratch i meen i had none of it installed and i trried to apt-get what i needed |
| 22:41.27 | zinx | IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents |
| 22:41.28 | troubled | ixion: leave it at that |
| 22:41.37 | cafuego | ~mock troubled |
| 22:41.40 | splodge2003 | Can I install an unstable deb on testing? |
| 22:41.40 | troubled | zinx: rofl |
| 22:41.42 | ralf | what is chown +l ? |
| 22:41.45 | splodge2003 | (eg libasound2) |
| 22:41.46 | Motoko | cafuego: gimme a sec |
| 22:41.46 | viper1104 | can anyone tell me how to use the atheros driver for my ibm wlan nic with kismet ? |
| 22:41.47 | Motoko | lol |
| 22:41.51 | troubled | ralf: go read the man page alraedy |
| 22:41.52 | ralf | 'Mandatory locking' |
| 22:41.56 | petroquincy | kzar: ah! what happens when you type startx? do you get that criss-cross screen? |
| 22:41.59 | ToreSB | cafuego: I have that but what options does that configure the kernel with? |
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| 22:42.02 | igel_ | splodge2003: yes you can use sid! |
| 22:42.03 | ixion | How do I untar this, now? |
| 22:42.08 | cafuego | Motoko: GRUB requires stageX files to be in /boot/grub |
| 22:42.14 | bahadunn | ixion: tar -xvf foo |
| 22:42.15 | cafuego | Motoko: They incldue fs drivers. |
| 22:42.20 | ralf | I don't understand the manpage |
| 22:42.24 | Motoko | they're there |
| 22:42.26 | nvs | ixion: Geeez. You should have used tar -xjvf <filename> |
| 22:42.29 | Mave | how can I make apt dl Packages.bz2 files ? |
| 22:42.43 | krusty | what?!? |
| 22:42.45 | filp | ralf: man man |
| 22:42.48 | ixion | What's the difference between xzvf, xjvf and simply xvf? |
| 22:42.53 | Falkor | nvs: cheers buddy. it was the debconf that overwrit the mouse setting on the last update, gpm and the x-mouse-server were fighting over /dev/psaux. |
| 22:42.54 | bahadunn | nvs: do you know about this KDSKBENT error? |
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| 22:42.56 | nvs | ixion: man tar |
| 22:42.57 | krusty | ?:| |
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| 22:43.00 | ixion | Will do. |
| 22:43.02 | Justin_ | ixion: unp |
| 22:43.08 | Mave | ixion: read man tar and put f to the end |
| 22:43.10 | ToreSB | cafuego: I am on a sellandrun 466, with 64MB memory. |
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| 22:43.16 | streuner | !tell lxion about tar |
| 22:43.25 | ralf | .tar.gz .tar.bz2 .tar respectively |
| 22:43.25 | nvs | Falkor: Good to know. Your welcome. |
| 22:43.26 | kzar | Justin_: i ran taskel and it said command not found |
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| 22:43.35 | ixion | That's an 'i' at the beginning of 'ixion,' clearly. |
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| 22:43.40 | gourdin | hmmmm |
| 22:43.48 | bahadunn | ixion: indeed |
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| 22:43.52 | gourdin | it works if I do a x2x -from the other box... (?) |
| 22:44.02 | Justin_ | kzar: press tab after the k |
| 22:44.05 | krusty | xbox? |
| 22:44.06 | splodge2003 | I usually use unstable but over a modem I have trouble keeping up with the updates, so I have switched to testing. Will this solve my problem? And is testing almost as up-to-date as unstable (ie only a week or so behind)? |
| 22:44.06 | micaah | does anyone know of a good ripper that uses lame as its encoder? I've heard Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is great, but I think it is windows. I want to rip my whole CD collection and would like to use the best method for error free, decent quality but not space hogg, ogg preferable |
| 22:44.11 | kzar | Justin_: ok |
| 22:44.19 | bahadunn | micaah: use ogg |
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| 22:44.27 | zeus | someone know where I can found the .deb package of the patch 3.20 for Quake II ? |
| 22:44.28 | nvs | bahadunn: No. I don't know about KDSKBENT |
| 22:44.29 | filp | splodge2003: you're just updating too much |
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| 22:44.38 | synic | micaah: grip |
| 22:44.42 | Justin_ | !tell micaah about search |
| 22:44.47 | zinx | mic: you want a frontend that uses cdparanoia |
| 22:44.53 | filp | splodge2003: only update when there's a reason, not just becasue one's available |
| 22:44.57 | micaah | bahadunn: yeah, but ogg is a codec, not a ripper |
| 22:44.58 | cafuego | shit |
| 22:45.01 | zinx | micaah: and unless you're encoding for a portable device that only supports mp3, you want to use ogg vorbis |
| 22:45.05 | micaah | synic: yeah, grip works alright |
| 22:45.10 | micaah | zinx: I want to use ogg |
| 22:45.12 | petroquincy | filp: even from security.debian.org? |
| 22:45.17 | zinx | micaah: grip will encode to mp3 or ogg |
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| 22:45.18 | micaah | zinx: I just dont know what options/bitrates etc. |
| 22:45.25 | bahadunn | im getting a weird error on 2.6.1-rc1 during boot about this freaking KDSKBENT but I cant figure out what it is or how to rid myself of it. its like some damn tick stuck in my skin |
| 22:45.27 | aphex | hey I have the debian 3.0 r1 cd, and I am getting ready to install it, my question is since I am doing a net install, will it install debain 3.0r2 or do I have to change the servers for apt get |
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| 22:45.37 | filp | petroquincy: security doesn't have unstable packages |
| 22:45.41 | Justin_ | !tell bahadunn about 2.6 problems |
| 22:45.48 | zinx | micaah: the only option worth mentioning is quality, 3 is about equivilant to 128kbps mp3, IIRC |
| 22:45.50 | Mave | aphex: it will install r2 |
| 22:45.52 | Falkor | Can somebody tell me: if you have to different binaries with the same name, one in /bin and one in /local/bin. Which gets priority? |
| 22:45.55 | micaah | aphex: it wont be a problem, the first apt update you do will get the latest packages |
| 22:46.00 | zeus | ?? quake |
| 22:46.01 | zinx | micaah: 5 is about the maximum you'll want to use |
| 22:46.06 | petroquincy | aphex: the difference between r1 and r2 are just package versions. |
| 22:46.07 | zinx | micaah: above that it just gets insane :/ |
| 22:46.10 | nvs | Falkor: echo $PATH |
| 22:46.19 | bahadunn | Justin_: ok thanks |
| 22:46.26 | petroquincy | filp: ahh. jumped into the middle of a conversation. sorry. :) |
| 22:46.28 | micaah | zinx: yeah, the problem is I dont know squat about audio codec quality etc. I'd like quality that doesn't suck, but also I dont want to take up all my space :) |
| 22:46.37 | Mave | aphex: just add security sources and use apt-get update and upgerade |
| 22:46.40 | filp | petroquincy: obviously |
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| 22:46.40 | cdc | anybody using a D-Link DWL-G650 using madwifi? |
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| 22:46.45 | Falkor | nvs: it all depends on the list order? |
| 22:46.50 | nvs | Falkor: Yes. |
| 22:46.58 | Falkor | nvs: thansk |
| 22:47.01 | krusty | 192 vbr with lame is the best quality |
| 22:47.02 | Falkor | ups |
| 22:47.02 | zinx | micaah: use q4 |
| 22:47.03 | Wyzard | Anyone here having problems with php4-gd2 ? I just had to uninstall it because PHP was failing to load due to unresolved symbols in gd.so |
| 22:47.04 | nvs | Falkor: No prob. |
| 22:47.08 | tarzeau | apt fun |
| 22:47.10 | | it has been said that fun is irrelevant. |
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| 22:47.17 | tarzeau | apt fun is also two people, /nick and /quit are on a boat. /nick falls off the boat. who's left on the boat? |
| 22:47.18 | | okay, tarzeau |
| 22:47.35 | ToreSB | apt ToreSB is a retrogeek |
| 22:47.37 | | ...but toresb is already something else... |
| 22:47.43 | Justin_ | tarzeau: /quit :-) |
| 22:47.45 | ToreSB | apt what is ToreSB |
| 22:47.47 | | from memory, toresb is troll, or norwegian |
| 22:47.47 | cafuego | *sigh* he we go again, bet you it crashes it again too. |
| 22:47.50 | tarzeau | Justin_: yeah :) |
| 22:47.50 | ralf | What is a mandatory locking? |
| 22:47.51 | ToreSB | ?!? |
| 22:47.52 | aphex | Mave: I am running slack 9.1 right now, not running debian |
| 22:48.01 | tarzeau | Justin_: do you think deadcat typed it? |
| 22:48.13 | nvs | aphex: Blasphemy!! ;-) |
| 22:48.25 | filp | ralf: in regards to what? |
| 22:48.28 | cdc | can't get ath_pci.o loaded, and heard a couple of people have the dwl-g650 running just fine with this mod |
| 22:48.35 | cafuego | Wyzard: For such reasons I run the woody versions of apache/php4/php4-* on even the sarge boxes. |
| 22:48.40 | aphex | hgehhe |
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| 22:48.47 | aphex | Slack 9.1 licks goat balls |
| 22:48.52 | ralf | chown +l : Manatory locking |
| 22:48.56 | cdc | /lib/modules/2.4.23/net/ath_pci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 22:49.06 | Wyzard | cafuego: I don't know what caused this problem though... I just got back from a week-long vacation, and I'm pretty sure it was working before I left. |
| 22:49.15 | filp | ralf: what does the man page say? |
| 22:49.18 | cafuego | I think maybe I ought to file a bug. |
| 22:49.28 | petroquincy | going from apt-get to installpkg is painful. |
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| 22:49.36 | petroquincy | dark age stuff. :) |
| 22:49.37 | ralf | just a moment... |
| 22:49.45 | cafuego | Wyzard: Do you run any automagic updates via cron? Has the machine rebooted? |
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| 22:50.30 | Wyzard | cafuego: I do periodic dist-upgrades every few days (though not in the past week, due to being away) and it was rebooted while I was away due to a brief power outage. |
| 22:50.30 | ralf | "Mandatory file and record locking (l) refers to a file's ability to have its reading or writing permissions locked while a program is accessing that file." |
| 22:50.36 | aum | what's the name of the Xfree screenshot utility? |
| 22:50.53 | cafuego | Wyzard: Maybe the power outage made a library go missing. Check /lost+found |
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| 22:51.06 | synic | aum: imagemagick has import |
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| 22:51.44 | aum | synic: I knew it was a bland generic name that doesn't even suggeset screenshots - but couldn't remember - thx for that |
| 22:51.45 | cafuego | ANyone have any idea how I might get a pci modem detected on a PPC box? |
| 22:51.54 | Wyzard | cafuego: I reinstalled php4-gd2 and it didn't help |
| 22:51.59 | honschu | Howto autoload : "1. modprobe joyev 2. rmmod lp 3. modprobe gamecon gc=0,1,1" when char-major-13 is used like "jstest /dev/js0" ? |
| 22:52.44 | cafuego | Wyzard: Use 'ldd' to see what it's missing. |
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| 22:52.48 | wuhuu | hello |
| 22:52.50 | wuhuu | help |
| 22:53.04 | Motoko | cafuego: I have run grub-install and I still have the same prob. When I do "root (hd0,1)" I get "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82" |
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| 22:53.12 | ralf | my download: 12 days ramaining... |
| 22:53.29 | wuhuu | when i want to run lilo it returns :"Fatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/sda1 |
| 22:53.29 | wuhuu | " |
| 22:53.32 | ralf | swap partition |
| 22:53.32 | Kraig | lol |
| 22:53.42 | cafuego | Motoko: That's a swap partition. |
| 22:53.45 | Wyzard | cafuego: I googled for the error message ("gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache") and found exactly two results, mailing-list posts from back in May saying that "GD broke their API, so it's not a PHP bug" |
| 22:53.48 | ralf | grub count the partition starting from 0 |
| 22:53.50 | wuhuu | what is that ? |
| 22:54.06 | cafuego | Motoko: Is your root aprtition /dev/hda1? |
| 22:54.13 | ralf | hda3 is (hd0,2) |
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| 22:54.34 | Motoko | I have /boot on /dev/hda1 |
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| 22:54.51 | eniac | How can you know what rsync en hsync , I have searched google ... |
| 22:54.55 | ralf | wuhuu: did you use xfs? |
| 22:55.06 | cafuego | Motoko: That would be hd0,0 |
| 22:55.10 | ralf | hda1 is (hd0,0) |
| 22:55.17 | Motoko | k |
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| 22:55.49 | wuhuu | yes... yxfs=x fonst server ? |
| 22:55.54 | archpollux | hi |
| 22:55.54 | wuhuu | -y |
| 22:56.03 | archpollux | what's the debian arm channel? |
| 22:56.18 | ralf | no |
| 22:56.23 | archpollux | wuhuu: yes |
| 22:56.24 | ralf | Xfs Filesystem |
| 22:56.29 | cafuego | arm comes from the indo-european root "AR" |
| 22:56.35 | archpollux | oh, that too :) |
| 22:56.45 | wuhuu | hm.... i think no |
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| 22:57.01 | wuhuu | i only have ext3 and one ntfs here |
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| 22:57.08 | ralf | wuhuu: cat /etc/fstab |
| 22:57.30 | ralf | wuhuu: cat /proc/mounts |
| 22:57.59 | ralf | wuhuu: ok ok |
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| 22:57.59 | wuhuu | nope |
| 22:57.59 | wuhuu | no xfs |
| 22:57.59 | ralf | i hate ntfs |
| 22:58.22 | ralf | why you wanna use lilo? |
| 22:58.26 | ralf | use grub |
| 22:58.36 | Motoko | lol |
| 22:58.40 | Motoko | grub grub grub |
| 22:58.42 | wuhuu | yeah it is form an old windows instalation |
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| 22:58.44 | cafuego | bogomips : 199.88 <-- oooh yeah! |
| 22:58.45 | Motoko | is that todays topic? |
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| 22:58.49 | ralf | lollipop |
| 22:59.05 | wuhuu | hmmmm |
| 22:59.11 | honschu | Howto autoload : "1. modprobe joyev 2. rmmod lp 3. modprobe gamecon gc=0,1,1" when char-major-13 is used like "jstest /dev/js0" ? |
| 22:59.14 | wuhuu | grub.. heard it but.... |
| 22:59.30 | ralf | use grub instead of lilo |
| 22:59.37 | wuhuu | but never used it...... |
| 22:59.40 | wuhuu | *g* |
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| 23:00.03 | ralf | you can pass parameters to the kernel at boot-time |
| 23:00.30 | filp | ralf: you mean unlike lilo? |
| 23:00.36 | wuhuu | mhm |
| 23:01.07 | ralf | yes, with lilo you have to edit /etc/lilo.conf and reinstall it |
| 23:01.15 | filp | ralf: no |
| 23:01.19 | wuhuu | nope |
| 23:01.27 | ralf | no? |
| 23:01.32 | filp | ralf: no |
| 23:01.36 | IVS | ralf: you can enter them at boot-time |
| 23:01.40 | wuhuu | press shift on startup |
| 23:01.42 | ralf | why? |
| 23:01.46 | wuhuu | and enter it |
| 23:01.55 | IVS | ralf: coz lilo owns :) |
| 23:02.04 | ralf | I use grub |
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| 23:02.23 | madness | ~start a bootloader war |
| 23:02.25 | | grub sucks |
| 23:02.25 | filp | ralf: lilo accepts parameters at boot, that's all there is to it |
| 23:02.25 | wuhuu | k... but what about my problem... |
| 23:02.32 | ralf | grub allow you to cat a file or change a partition type prior to boot |
| 23:02.41 | ralf | lilo not |
| 23:02.53 | filp | ralf: do that alot? |
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| 23:03.03 | wuhuu | Fatal: Filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/sda1 |
| 23:03.05 | ralf | grub can delete and create partitions |
| 23:03.11 | wuhuu | hello |
| 23:03.18 | petroquincy | you sometimes want to read your email without loading kernel BLOATWARE |
| 23:03.20 | petroquincy | ? |
| 23:03.29 | ralf | sda1 |
| 23:03.36 | filp | ralf: do that alot? |
| 23:03.51 | ralf | wuhuu: USE GRUB!!! stop |
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| 23:03.59 | wuhuu | sda1 < raid |
| 23:04.07 | IVS | ralf: you can play pong and tetris in the lilo bootscreen ;) |
| 23:04.31 | bizkit | how? :D |
| 23:04.34 | ralf | you can play doom3 with grub |
| 23:04.48 | wuhuu | hello |
| 23:04.56 | petroquincy | you can go for a walk in the sun with your girlfriend WITHOUT USING A BOOTLOADER AT ALL! |
| 23:04.59 | Tchiak | is there a way to have debian emulate a networked dvd-rom drive to act like /dev/dvd |
| 23:05.00 | Tchiak | > |
| 23:05.01 | Tchiak | ? |
| 23:05.05 | petroquincy | but why would you want to? ;) |
| 23:05.23 | Tchiak | basically to make linux think that a network drive is a local drive that woudl work for CSS decryption? |
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| 23:05.30 | ralf | mount -o loop |
| 23:05.33 | sgeigerbot | IVS: Re: pong> I assume this is another instance of false advertising. |
| 23:05.48 | wasabi | Tchiak, there is a network block device driver |
| 23:05.48 | cafuego | Tchiak: have a look at vlc |
| 23:05.52 | wasabi | that's what you are looking for |
| 23:05.55 | wasabi | i think |
| 23:06.02 | wasabi | it's in the kernel standard. |
| 23:06.11 | ralf | wuhuu: you must install lilo on sda, not on sda1 |
| 23:06.12 | IVS | sgeigerbot: really, i saw it once |
| 23:06.13 | filp | wuhuu: we're having a flame, |
| 23:06.19 | Tchiak | but if i link that network block dev to /dev/dvd won't it also lock my networked HDD's to it too? |
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| 23:06.38 | wasabi | huh? |
| 23:06.44 | wasabi | what do you mean? |
| 23:06.49 | wasabi | you don't link /dev/dvd to anything |
| 23:06.54 | wasabi | you make a new one |
| 23:07.03 | sgeigerbot | wuhuu: If you don't need that old Windows partition, then remove it... |
| 23:07.03 | Tchiak | xine looks at /dev/dvd when i tell it to play dvd's |
| 23:07.04 | wasabi | /dev/nbd or something prolly |
| 23:07.09 | honschu | Howto autoload : "1. modprobe joyev 2. rmmod lp 3. modprobe gamecon gc=0,1,1" when char-major-13 is used like "jstest /dev/js0" ? |
| 23:07.14 | wasabi | Tchiak, then change it |
| 23:07.20 | wasabi | or delete /dev/dvd, or move it out of the way |
| 23:07.22 | Tchiak | hmmm.... |
| 23:07.24 | wasabi | Those are only files. |
| 23:07.29 | wuhuu | sometimes i need it |
| 23:07.34 | wasabi | you can rename em, make links to em |
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| 23:07.39 | wasabi | whateva |
| 23:07.46 | bob2 | honschu: you can't, that's stupid. |
| 23:07.59 | bob2 | honschu: just load the modules at boot. |
| 23:08.04 | cafuego | honschu: 1. modconf 2. /etc/modutils/aliases 3. 1+2 |
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| 23:08.45 | zeroevil | has anyone ran drm for ATI Rage 128 on kernel 2.6? |
| 23:08.49 | Tchiak | how do i make a command be issued at startup the command is: modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 23:08.53 | honschu | cafuego: But with Kernel 2.4.22 it worked |
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| 23:09.03 | cafuego | Tchiak: Again, via modutils/aliases |
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| 23:09.40 | Tchiak | susu les |
| 23:09.43 | zeroevil | I compiled kernel 2.6 with agpart but couldn't make drm to work |
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| 23:09.49 | cafuego | honschu: Well, then ignore me and *don't* fix it. |
| 23:09.56 | Tchiak | i have two keyboards.. .this can get confusing |
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| 23:09.58 | JesTer | does anyone know were i can go for KDE themes besides kde-look.org |
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| 23:09.59 | JesTer | ??? |
| 23:10.12 | cafuego | zeroevil: Did you enable r128 support as well? |
| 23:10.21 | cafuego | JesTer: themes.freshmeat.net |
| 23:10.29 | JesTer | thankx |
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| 23:10.45 | cafuego | Coompiling this kernel is going to bloody take _all_ _day_ |
| 23:10.49 | zeroevil | cafuego: whereis is it...I was looking for it...but didn't see it |
| 23:11.06 | Tchiak | cafuego: what do i enter into modutils/aliases? |
| 23:11.09 | zeroevil | JesTer: themes.freshmeat.net |
| 23:11.46 | zeroevil | cafuego: CONFIG_AGP_ATI ? |
| 23:12.13 | zeroevil | cafuego: or there is module for r128 in kernel 2.6? |
| 23:12.15 | cafuego | zeroevil: CONFIG_DRM_R128 |
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| 23:12.38 | cafuego | zeroevil: Does your mobo have an ATI AGP bus? |
| 23:12.45 | cafuego | zeroevil: What mobo is it? |
| 23:12.52 | delire_ | anyone know of a client that grabs both rss feeds and changes to a weblog and sends them to a given email address? like several of the clients that work for outlook express for instance.. |
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| 23:13.33 | zeroevil | cafuego: I see it |
| 23:13.51 | Knight_Lord | How can i know which package includes mpeg2encode without packages.debian.org? |
| 23:13.54 | IVS | cafuego: does ATI manufacture AGP busses? |
| 23:14.04 | cafuego | IVS: Yes, they do. |
| 23:14.10 | JesTer | lol anymore places to find kde themes besids kde-look.org or themes.freshmeat.net??? |
| 23:14.20 | Wyzard | Knight_Lord: "apt-file" is meant for doing that, but I haven't used it myself |
| 23:14.20 | cafuego | IVS: Notable the Radeon IGP series laptop gfx cards use 'em |
| 23:14.24 | simonrvn | delire_: i think gnome has something like that |
| 23:14.28 | cafuego | JesTer: google |
| 23:14.35 | Kraig | Knight_lord: apt-cache search |
| 23:14.36 | JesTer | lol tried it |
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| 23:14.39 | IVS | cafuego: hmm ok, new to me :) |
| 23:14.44 | Tchiak | ok now i have nbd module installed.. now how would i use this.. restart? |
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| 23:15.06 | Knight_Lord | Kraig apt-cache search only searches packages descritions not the files it contains |
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| 23:15.43 | cafuego | IVS: I have one, HP Laptop. |
| 23:15.58 | zeroevil | cafuego: thanks...I'm going to compile it again |
| 23:15.59 | cafuego | IVS: Only supported on 2.6.x and in XF4.3.x |
| 23:16.08 | songpenguin | does anyone know what FS Olympus uses in their xD cards? |
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| 23:16.19 | bob2 | dog poo. |
| 23:16.28 | bob2 | your question needs a qualifier. |
| 23:16.47 | Knight_Lord | IVS what is your problem? |
| 23:17.02 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:17.07 | IVS | Knight_Lord: my mother dropped me on the head when i was a kid |
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| 23:17.20 | Kraig | lol |
| 23:17.22 | Knight_Lord | IVS is it about ATI drivers? |
| 23:17.58 | IVS | Knight_Lord: not really, i was curious about the fact that ati now manufactures agp busses... |
| 23:18.11 | baz | *sigh*, I love debian release schedules |
| 23:18.29 | bob2 | baz: I like bannanas! |
| 23:18.41 | Knight_Lord | baz they are always respected |
| 23:18.48 | baz | "sarge will be out in december 2003", "debian-installer will be done by new years" |
| 23:18.56 | baz | p.d.o will be up soon ;) |
| 23:19.08 | bob2 | baz: "Debian relies on volunteers!" |
| 23:19.14 | songpenguin | baz: it's about time |
| 23:19.15 | bob2 | pay people or stfu. |
| 23:19.24 | baz | bob2: it's "bananas" |
| 23:19.35 | baz | ho hum |
| 23:19.35 | Knight_Lord | All release dates are just a bad approximation for "when it is ready" |
| 23:19.37 | Timmmm | baz: I reckon it's because there are too many packages. They should have a package blitz. |
| 23:19.38 | bob2 | baz: I prefer my speling. |
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| 23:19.44 | filp | how many charecters are left to go in Toy Story? |
| 23:19.52 | baz | Timmmm: well kde2.2 can probably go ;) |
| 23:19.54 | bahadunn | bob2: do you know anything about KDSKBENT errors in 2.6? |
| 23:19.55 | Knight_Lord | filp plenty |
| 23:19.56 | songpenguin | Timmmm: it was because they were compromized |
| 23:20.00 | bob2 | kde2.2 has already gone. |
| 23:20.05 | baz | filp: depends - did all the soldiers have names? :) |
| 23:20.06 | bob2 | bahadunn: google, of course. |
| 23:20.08 | Tchiak | hmmmm |
| 23:20.13 | filp | Knight_Lord: yeah but we're running out of fun ones |
| 23:20.13 | songpenguin | Timmmm: someone hacked p.d.o |
| 23:20.19 | Tchiak | i still can't get my modprobe command run on boot |
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| 23:20.26 | Timmmm | songpenguin: Even if they weren't sarge would be late... |
| 23:20.31 | bahadunn | bob2: google is not doing so well on the subject |
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| 23:20.39 | baz | bob2: kde2.2 is current in stable |
| 23:20.41 | songpenguin | Timmmm: I cant wait for sarge... |
| 23:20.42 | tarzeau | rick: do you know xrick? |
| 23:20.44 | bob2 | bahadunn: even on lkml? |
| 23:20.46 | ljlane | Tchiak, what modprobe command is that? |
| 23:20.48 | filp | baz: that could take a long time if they do |
| 23:20.51 | bob2 | bahadunn: duh, did kde3 exist when woody released? |
| 23:20.55 | songpenguin | Timmmm: does'nt it run on 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:20.55 | bob2 | baz: ^ |
| 23:20.56 | baz | filp: heh yup |
| 23:20.59 | Timmmm | songpenguin: Well, I got fed up of waiting, and got it anyway... |
| 23:21.03 | Tchiak | modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 23:21.10 | songpenguin | Timmmm: thats the spirit |
| 23:21.10 | baz | bob2: <bob2> kde2.2 has already gone. |
| 23:21.10 | bahadunn | bob2: lkml? |
| 23:21.15 | bob2 | bahadunn: grep the source and find out which system it is from. |
| 23:21.18 | Timmmm | songpenguin: No... not at the moment anyway... |
| 23:21.24 | bahadunn | bob2: I dont think it did why? |
| 23:21.28 | filp | baz: why did they choose Toy Story? |
| 23:21.32 | bahadunn | bob2: huh? |
| 23:21.34 | baz | filp: bruce perens? |
| 23:21.37 | ljlane | Tchiak: tried this? echo "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 23:21.54 | baz | filp: he was involved with both pixar and debian at the time, I believe |
| 23:21.57 | ljlane | Tchiak, errmm.. echo "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" >> /etc/modules |
| 23:22.08 | filp | baz: seems obvious enough |
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| 23:22.18 | filp | baz: I prefer the tux story |
| 23:22.24 | baz | filp: what's that then? |
| 23:22.25 | songpenguin | Timmmm: too bad... I'd install sarge, but I rely on my computer to get work done (that's why I tinker wiuth the core so often) |
| 23:22.26 | rick | hi there. how can i find out what module my nic is? |
| 23:22.33 | rick | debian 3.0 |
| 23:22.40 | rick | i dont see it in lsmod like i do on other distros |
| 23:22.43 | ljlane | Tchiak: the normal way is to set options via module.conf |
| 23:22.49 | baz | rick: it's probably built into the kernel |
| 23:22.50 | filp | baz: Linus got bitten by a pengiun while in Aus |
| 23:22.54 | rick | why is the modules.conf 500 lines long in debian |
| 23:22.57 | songpenguin | rick: what card? |
| 23:22.58 | filp | baz: it's not true but still fun |
| 23:23.10 | rick | got the card, ran dmesg.. sorry |
| 23:23.11 | Timmmm | songpenguin: ?... So do I... It's not like sarge is really unstable or anything. |
| 23:23.13 | rick | bonehead question |
| 23:23.21 | baz | filp: ah yes, I remember that now |
| 23:23.21 | petemc | rick: use lspci, it could be built into the kernel, if its an rtl8139 chip and you're using the bf2.4 kernel for example |
| 23:23.41 | rick | thank you, you are psychic |
| 23:23.44 | rick | it is rtlk |
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| 23:23.47 | rick | rltkx |
| 23:23.49 | emu10k1 | if I do a fresh netinstall of 2.4.20bf2.4 from blade's mini-ISO, is there a package I can get to upgrade to 2.6? I'm not ready to try and compile a kernel myself yet |
| 23:23.54 | rick | thanks |
| 23:24.15 | songpenguin | rick: use rtl8139 or 8139too |
| 23:24.23 | baz | emu10k1: fsvo "upgrade". 2.6 debs are coming soon apparently. |
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| 23:24.42 | baz | emu10k1: hopefully not the same "soon" sarge and d-i are relying on ;) |
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| 23:24.57 | troubled | rick: modules.conf is updated by update-modules. its a bunch of files in /etc/modutils and /etc/modules thrown togethere |
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| 23:25.24 | emu10k1 | baz: what's fsvo?? |
| 23:25.32 | baz | for some values of |
| 23:25.35 | The_Vulture | FSVO: for some value of |
| 23:25.51 | emu10k1 | that's a new one for me :) |
| 23:25.52 | looksaus | anyone knows where/how to set the language gdm uses? |
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| 23:25.56 | quant | anyone used Samba? |
| 23:25.57 | baz | emu10k1: I was suggesting that not everything works under 2.6 |
| 23:26.00 | baz | emu10k1: eg. vmware |
| 23:26.06 | songpenguin | emu10k1: /msg dpkg fsvo |
| 23:26.11 | baz | quant: sure |
| 23:26.14 | looksaus | quant, not too much, but ask, you never know |
| 23:26.36 | emu10k1 | baz: I'm mainly interesting in upgrading to 2.6 for encryption |
| 23:26.55 | emu10k1 | baz: but i guess i'll wait for the 2.6 debs for sid |
| 23:26.56 | troubled | emu10k1: encryption? explain |
| 23:27.08 | quant | well, i have set the workgroup, and a netbios name. but when i try and access the server from network neighbourhood on windows it asks me for a username and password.. |
| 23:27.12 | baz | emu10k1: there are crypto-loop patches for 2.4 which might be more suitable |
| 23:27.31 | quant | of which it wont accept the usernamd and password |
| 23:27.40 | troubled | emu10k1: lasy I seen, 2.4.23 has crypto support and patch it with loop jari and your set for losetup encryption |
| 23:27.41 | rick | whats the difference between make zImage and bzImage |
| 23:27.43 | emu10k1 | troubled: once I had the loopback encryption working with 2.4 - I could encrypt CDs, files, containers, but i read that things done with 2.4 local loopback would not work with 2.6 |
| 23:27.51 | baz | quant: did you do smbpasswd -a [user] ? |
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| 23:27.52 | baz | rick: b |
| 23:27.56 | rick | ?_ |
| 23:28.06 | troubled | emu10k1: well thats interesting. Ill have to keep an eye on there |
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| 23:28.11 | troubled | s/there/that/ |
| 23:28.11 | baz | emu10k1: that's correct |
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| 23:28.23 | Wyzard | troubled: I think the cryptoloop patch (at least the Debian package of it) is very outdated |
| 23:28.28 | quant | baz: ahh, i couldn't get it working right |
| 23:28.33 | songpenguin | emu10k1: I think its a kernel-compile option, I ran across it once |
| 23:28.45 | troubled | Wyzard: im talking about the loop patch from kernel.org |
| 23:28.54 | baz | quant: you generally have to have a samba username/password combo set up, it won't just transparently use the linux username/passwd |
| 23:29.10 | songpenguin | emu10k1: or wait, sorry. I was thinking active compression |
| 23:29.12 | emu10k1 | baz: that's pretty much all I want 2.6 for, but it's high on my "want" list :) |
| 23:29.16 | quant | baz: i see... what should i chmod smbpasswd to? |
| 23:29.18 | quant | 755? |
| 23:29.24 | quant | no |
| 23:29.26 | quant | thats wrong |
| 23:29.33 | baz | emu10k1: native atapi cd writing is very nice |
| 23:29.37 | Brakki | what icon set do you all recommend? |
| 23:29.38 | Wyzard | troubled: The cryptoloop patch for 2.4 is for use with the old cryptoapi which I don't think is developed anymore... the cryptoapi in 2.6 is different |
| 23:29.50 | baz | emu10k1: and I finally got alsa working, never could sort it out under 2.4 |
| 23:30.01 | baz | quant: you shouldn't need to chmod anything? |
| 23:30.12 | Wyzard | emu10k1: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ -- will probably go into sid soon (considering he's the maintainer, and 2.4.23 was on that site a week ago and now it's in sid) |
| 23:30.15 | troubled | Wyzard: makes sense. the losetup in woody doesnt even work with it. I needed losetup from sarge or sid to use encryption on loop devices in woody |
| 23:30.19 | quant | -rw------- 1 root root 2411 Jan 3 21:59 smbpasswd |
| 23:30.53 | baz | quant: ah, I was referring to the command :) |
| 23:31.10 | quant | baz: oh? how do i do this? |
| 23:31.17 | troubled | quant: show us the contents of your smbpasswd would ya? :) |
| 23:31.26 | quant | hehe |
| 23:31.26 | troubled | quant: j/k dont! |
| 23:31.30 | quant | i know |
| 23:31.36 | baz | quant: if you want user bob to be able to access the share, type "smbpasswd -a bob" as root |
| 23:31.40 | troubled | quant: some people might not know better heh |
| 23:31.53 | emu10k1 | Wyzard: when the kernel-image-2.6 comes out, can I basically just "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6" and that's all there is to it? |
| 23:32.03 | quant | troubled: i may not have done if i didn't read the file earlier on ;) |
| 23:32.17 | Wyzard | troubled: I'm on the cryptoapi mailing list and there hasn't been any traffic in months... someone else (not in that group) independently wrote a cryptoapi for 2.6 without consulting them, and there was an argument about it for a while, but I have a feeling they've given up development on the old cryptoapi |
| 23:32.19 | troubled | quant: lol |
| 23:32.20 | baz | emu10k1: modutils changes too, hopefully the .deb will handle this |
| 23:32.23 | quant | baz: can't i just make it feely available, no password? |
| 23:32.38 | baz | quant: probably, don't know the options off the top of my head though, sorry |
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| 23:32.44 | troubled | Wyzard: so 2.6 crypto is the way to go? |
| 23:32.44 | baz | quant: man smb.conf |
| 23:32.57 | Wyzard | emu10k1: If you want a head start, you could download the deb from that website and install it with dpkg |
| 23:33.02 | emu10k1 | i guess I should also ask, since I am getting a new computer with AMD 2800 in it, do I need a special version of the kernel? |
| 23:33.23 | rick | no |
| 23:33.26 | looksaus | quant, I vaguely remember something about existing system accounts needing an extra option |
| 23:33.27 | rick | i386 |
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| 23:33.32 | troubled | Wyzard: curious, what /proc name does it use? I only ask cause woody's tools expect to find it as /proc/ciphers and the kernel loop jari patchs calls it crypto instead (or vice versa, forget) |
| 23:33.32 | looksaus | to be accessible |
| 23:33.33 | baz | emu10k1: no, a k-7 image will be optimised for that class but the standard ones will run fine |
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| 23:33.52 | Wyzard | troubled: I'm sure the 2.4 cryptoapi and cryptoloop can be made to work, but they're unofficial patches. I'd rather use the code in 2.6 that's part of the general mainstream release. |
| 23:34.09 | emu10k1 | baz: thanks, i always wondered why there were "special" k7 or others when I had always just used i386 |
| 23:34.15 | troubled | Wyzard: same here, I hate using craploads of little patches here and there |
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| 23:34.23 | Tchiak | how do i make linux think that a networked DVD-rom drive is a local drive for DeCSS Decryption purposes |
| 23:34.31 | Wyzard | troubled: I haven't used cryptoloop myself since last year... I'm looking forward to the 2.6 switch too, so I can use that cryptoloop |
| 23:34.37 | troubled | Wyzard: but im still concerned that the 2.6 crypto still wont work in woody cause of the /proc filename issue |
| 23:34.37 | baz | emu10k1: all about compile-time optimisations. there's not that much difference in it, but every clock cycle counts for some people |
| 23:34.42 | quant | nice one, got it working.... thanks a lot |
| 23:34.57 | Wyzard | troubled: In woody, possibly not, I dunno... I run sid |
| 23:34.58 | baz | cool |
| 23:35.00 | emu10k1 | Wyzard: also hopefully future kernel upgrades will be compatible with the crypto in 2.6 |
| 23:35.08 | sgeigerbot | Tchiak: Not sure I understand, but can NFS help? |
| 23:35.11 | troubled | Wyzard: that must be fun :) |
| 23:35.36 | cafuego | 2.6 cryptoloop only works if you have < 1Gb RAM in your box. |
| 23:35.37 | Wyzard | troubled: It's not as unstable as the name implies |
| 23:35.39 | Tchiak | i want to use xine to play a dvd in a networked DVD drive |
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| 23:35.46 | troubled | cafuego: that sucks |
| 23:35.55 | baz | cafuego: really? bug or feature? :) |
| 23:35.56 | cafuego | troubled: Yes, I know <heh> |
| 23:35.58 | cafuego | baz: bug |
| 23:36.00 | troubled | Wyzard: ive heard enough horror stories |
| 23:36.06 | cafuego | baz: cryptollop+highmem == lockup/reboot |
| 23:36.10 | troubled | cafuego: considering these days 1gig isnt uncommon |
| 23:36.17 | looksaus | quant: what was the problem? |
| 23:36.33 | Wyzard | troubled: Stuff breaks on occasion (php4-gd2 seems to be broken at the moment, for example) but on the whole, things work fine |
| 23:36.45 | baz | still "only" on 512 here, I remember when 128k was a lot... (fades to b&w) |
| 23:36.45 | quant | looksaus: didn't add the user to the account :) |
| 23:36.50 | cafuego | troubled: Yeah... I had a few emails back&forth with Linus and Andrew Morton and we determined the problem *is* HIGHMEM, but no fix as of yet. |
| 23:36.55 | Wyzard | troubled: Severe problems are uncommon, and usually fixed within a day or two |
| 23:37.01 | troubled | Wyzard: i take it sid is generally the latest ver's of everything? |
| 23:37.08 | Tchiak | basically i want to emulate a networked DVD drive to act like /dev/dvd |
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| 23:37.18 | Wyzard | troubled: yeah... sid is where maintainers upload new packages to |
| 23:37.20 | looksaus | quant, :p |
| 23:37.27 | quant | :P |
| 23:37.35 | cafuego | troubled: Generally the latest *useable* versions |
| 23:37.40 | sharth | troubled: or into experimental, but thats less common |
| 23:37.44 | Wyzard | troubled: |
| 23:37.45 | Wyzard | oops |
| 23:37.52 | baz | troubled: the latest versions anyone made .debs for anyway |
| 23:37.53 | troubled | wow, my screens yellow ;) |
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| 23:38.00 | Wyzard | troubled: If you run sid, it's best to dist-upgrade every day or two |
| 23:38.05 | troubled | baz: true enough |
| 23:38.11 | emu10k1 | thanks to everyone for the kernel help/advice |
| 23:38.12 | looksaus | hm, I see some packages don't have ppc debs yet |
| 23:38.12 | petemc | Wyzard: whys that then? |
| 23:38.13 | troubled | Wyzard: i can imagine |
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| 23:38.18 | filp | Wyzard: why? |
| 23:38.29 | sharth | looksaus: sometimes its build failures... |
| 23:38.32 | looksaus | swhat's the procedure to get these differen platform debs |
| 23:38.35 | looksaus | uploaded |
| 23:38.41 | cafuego | looksaus: Some packages don't apply to ppc (or non-x86) |
| 23:38.46 | filp | Wyzard: I upgrade only when a new feature is added to a package |
| 23:38.56 | sharth | ie lilo.... |
| 23:39.01 | Wyzard | troubled, filp: That way an upgrade generally isn't a major change... only one or two things change at a time, so breakage is less likely, and when something does break, it's easier to isolate |
| 23:39.01 | looksaus | well, in the last few days, I made |
| 23:39.07 | sharth | or mac-fdisk vs normal fdisk |
| 23:39.13 | looksaus | about 4 or five packages |
| 23:39.16 | troubled | personally, I just wish the dev's would make themselves more know in this channel. Ive got some bones to pick about some packages now and then and I hate email with reportbug |
| 23:39.29 | looksaus | just using apt-get source --compile |
| 23:39.42 | Wyzard | filp: When a new feature is added to a package, do you upgrade just that package, or everything? |
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| 23:39.43 | looksaus | and they seemed to work flawlessly |
| 23:39.49 | filp | Wyzard: yeah but that way you'll catch every breakage |
| 23:39.58 | cafuego | looksaus: keep in mind Debian has 12 or so archs and compiling does take time. |
| 23:40.00 | filp | Wyzard: depends |
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| 23:40.08 | looksaus | cafuego, sure |
| 23:40.14 | filp | Wyzard: more often that not just the package |
| 23:40.26 | looksaus | I was only wondering if there was any way I could give a hand |
| 23:40.31 | filp | Wyzard: then dist-upgrade once a month if I'm boared |
| 23:40.33 | Wyzard | filp: Severe breakage is pretty uncommon... most of the time I don't even notice any difference after doing an upgrade |
| 23:40.40 | troubled | cafuego: debian needs something like seti to distribute the compile amongst a ton of machines |
| 23:40.50 | cafuego | looksaus: I think it's all done on the debian compile servers, you'd need to be a DD for access. |
| 23:40.51 | filp | Wyzard: so why upgrade so often? |
| 23:40.56 | troubled | cafuego: god only knows what security would be like though |
| 23:41.04 | cafuego | troubled: security? |
| 23:41.08 | looksaus | cafuego, best for security, indeed |
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| 23:41.23 | troubled | cafuego: or lack thereof |
| 23:41.32 | filp | Wyzard: I just see alot of people shy away from unstable because they think they have to upgrade every two days |
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| 23:41.58 | Sinistrad | filp, exactly...once a week is more than enough. |
| 23:41.59 | Wyzard | filp: To get fixes for bugs that I wasn't aware of (even if I probably wouldn't run into them) and because it's nice to know I'm up-to-date |
| 23:41.59 | troubled | filp: I shy away cause I dont wanna crash the box every other week |
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| 23:42.16 | filp | I feel popular |
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| 23:42.46 | filp | Wyzard: I'd say unstable makes about as many bugs as it fixes |
| 23:42.49 | Wyzard | troubled: I can't remember the last time I had a crash like what you seem to have in mind, and I run a lot of cutting-edge and unofficial stuff |
| 23:42.55 | filp | Wyzard: otherwise they |
| 23:42.57 | mwilson | Wheee... found the convenience base for my lappy at the swap meet today. Two of them, in fact. |
| 23:43.02 | filp | Wyzard: opps |
| 23:43.05 | Wyzard | filp: I have some friends who run sid and only upgrade once every month or two... |
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| 23:43.45 | Wyzard | filp: When they do, they see it as a significant event... "OK, I'm going to upgrade today", spend some time on it |
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| 23:44.08 | baz | mwilson: I don't think I've ever seen you cheerful - hooray :) |
| 23:44.11 | mati | hey i have a problem |
| 23:44.24 | filp | Wyzard: but it's more likely that any upgrades will have had a chance to settle |
| 23:44.38 | Wyzard | filp: To me, an upgrade is typing a few commands offhand while I'm busy doing other things... it's not a landmark or anything |
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| 23:44.52 | troubled | baz: you play quake? |
| 23:44.52 | mati | when doing a installation over the internet i cant fetch any packages cause i cannot configure my adsl right, its pppoe but in the installer it offers me only dhcp and bootp |
| 23:45.06 | baz | troubled: not if I can help it, I'm awful |
| 23:45.10 | troubled | mwilson: your always cheerful arent 'cha? :) |
| 23:45.12 | mati | how do i get a pppoe adsl connection with the installer |
| 23:45.41 | troubled | mati: sucks to be you |
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| 23:45.52 | mati | troubled ?? |
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| 23:46.03 | troubled | mati: stuck with pppoe |
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| 23:46.13 | mati | troubled isnt it possible at all ? |
| 23:46.29 | Wyzard | filp: I find it pretty rare for an upgrade to introduce serious problems. |
| 23:46.35 | petemc | mati: thats why i use an adsl modem/router, i get an ethernet cable to my boxes |
| 23:46.37 | troubled | mati: ive never had to deal with it. Im actually curious to find out if the pppoeconfig scripts ship with the boot disks |
| 23:46.43 | filp | Wyzard: fair enough |
| 23:46.51 | songpenguin | mati: I think theres an option "do you want to install over PPP" or something like that |
| 23:46.52 | mati | gah |
| 23:46.58 | mati | ok |
| 23:47.00 | mati | maybe |
| 23:47.12 | troubled | songpenguin: the ppp option for standard ppp or pppoe? |
| 23:47.30 | songpenguin | troubled: never used it, not sure |
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| 23:48.02 | looksaus | mati: what kind of dsl adapter do you use? |
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| 23:48.09 | mati | what do you mean |
| 23:48.12 | mati | a modem ? |
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| 23:48.23 | looksaus | yes.. |
| 23:48.26 | troubled | mati: try the ppp menu and see if it has pppoe, if not, switch to tty2 and look in /usr/sbin and /sbin for a pppoeconf script |
| 23:48.39 | mati | ok |
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| 23:48.49 | oskie | dpkg -l libdb\* => libdb2, libdb3, libdb4.0, libdb4.1, libdb4.2 - ain't that lovely :) |
| 23:48.51 | dpkg | ii libdb\* => libdb2, libdb3, libdb4.0, libdb4.1, libdb4.2 - ain't that lovely : 2.5-4 oskie's private gamp collection|No packages found matching libdb\* => libdb2, libdb3, libdb4.0, libdb4.1, libdb4.2 - ain't that lovely :)) |
| 23:49.00 | oskie | wtf? |
| 23:49.06 | Wyzard | btw, anyone here use EVMS? I'd like to know whether EVMS can be used as a drop-in replacement for LVM, i.e. can manage an existing LVM volume without having to delete and recreate it in a different format |
| 23:49.08 | baz | lol |
| 23:49.10 | vco | i have a question, i have a server with proftpd, i know that one of my users have established ftp connection. how can i check out how much bandwidth he ates? |
| 23:49.11 | troubled | mati: if anything, you might have to tell it to use dhcp first so it can get its initial ip setup for the pppoe client |
| 23:49.19 | troubled | lol |
| 23:49.21 | laudrup | Im trying to install debian with a pcmcia netcard, anyone who would like to help me? |
| 23:49.31 | oskie | woohoo!!! libdb4.1 could be removed!! |
| 23:49.35 | mati | o |
| 23:49.42 | mati | well ill see |
| 23:49.44 | mati | brb |
| 23:49.50 | looksaus | mati, is your card itself supported? |
| 23:49.51 | mati | looksaus cant explain now |
| 23:49.56 | mati | looksaus yes |
| 23:49.56 | LVCIUS | eny one here know how to root? |
| 23:50.03 | oskie | only perl depends on libdb4.0! i wonder if perl can be compiled for libdb4.2 instead? |
| 23:50.03 | mati | its a realtek 8139 |
| 23:50.04 | Wyzard | laudrup: The installer has a "configure PCMCIA" step... I don't think it goes there by default, so you'll have to scroll down in the menu and pick it yourself |
| 23:50.11 | baz | LVCIUS: su |
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| 23:50.16 | Wyzard | laudrup: After you do that, if your controller and card are supported, they should work |
| 23:50.17 | LVCIUS | ? |
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| 23:50.26 | LVCIUS | su = shut up? |
| 23:50.33 | LVCIUS | dose it? |
| 23:50.33 | baz | su = super user |
| 23:50.36 | double_c | switch user |
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| 23:50.40 | LVCIUS | oh ok |
| 23:50.42 | _r00t- | hello |
| 23:50.48 | laudrup | The problem is, my card is not officialy supported. It's a realtek 8139 |
| 23:51.00 | looksaus | it is |
| 23:51.03 | crash | like bas says su=suepr user |
| 23:51.06 | looksaus | laudrup |
| 23:51.07 | crash | super |
| 23:51.22 | laudrup | I dont have a cd-drive so my only option is installing over the net |
| 23:51.25 | _r00t- | when debian distro will be 2.6 kernel ready ? |
| 23:51.34 | Wyzard | laudrup: They make PCMCIA 8139s? |
| 23:51.47 | laudrup | Wyzard: yes |
| 23:51.50 | looksaus | yes, I had one before I bought this one |
| 23:51.51 | LVCIUS | who is super user? |
| 23:51.54 | Wyzard | hmm, didn't know that |
| 23:52.04 | Wyzard | I have several PCI 8139s and they work great |
| 23:52.07 | troubled | LVCIUS: you are LVCIUS, you are |
| 23:52.17 | baz | heh |
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| 23:52.22 | baz | LVCIUS: superuser is root |
| 23:52.24 | Wyzard | LVCIUS: "superuser" means the root account |
| 23:52.28 | laudrup | Wyzard: yes, but this is a cardbus :-( |
| 23:52.44 | troubled | LVCIUS: root is a uber user! |
| 23:52.46 | LVCIUS | ok but i wana learn to root |
| 23:52.55 | looksaus | root root! |
| 23:53.03 | baz | LVCIUS: type su, enter your root password, you are root. simple. |
| 23:53.03 | Wyzard | laudrup: Hang on, I'll boot my laptop which has the pcmcia drivers installed |
| 23:53.09 | Mave | _r00t-: sarge and sid is 2.6.0 ready |
| 23:53.16 | troubled | baz: i think your missing his point |
| 23:53.17 | laudrup | Wyzard: thanks :-D |
| 23:53.20 | LVCIUS | su |
| 23:53.26 | baz | troubled: perhaps I'm being deliberately obtuse |
| 23:53.30 | troubled | :) |
| 23:53.38 | _r00t- | Mave: ok, thanks |
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| 23:53.47 | baz | lol |
| 23:53.47 | troubled | baz: were so sneaky |
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| 23:53.57 | crash | i have downloaded Sid and boot with but how can i install it?? |
| 23:53.57 | frealek | people hi |
| 23:54.02 | baz | troubled: indeed, we are truly l33t |
| 23:54.08 | troubled | w00t! |
| 23:54.13 | cuse | OT: Can somebody tell me what the difference between "Computer Science" and "Computer Engineering" is? |
| 23:54.16 | LVCIUS | lol ok baz is there eny were like a web site or something that can teach me to root |
| 23:54.26 | The_Vulture | cuse: look at the course outlines at your college of choice |
| 23:54.31 | baz | LVCIUS: this is possibly the worst place in the universe to ask that question. |
| 23:54.37 | looksaus | LVCIUS, there are many! |
| 23:54.38 | The_Vulture | comp eng usually has more engineering stuff, circuit design and that kinda thing |
| 23:54.43 | looksaus | so many |
| 23:54.44 | baz | LVCIUS: search for brk() exploit (sorry debian) |
| 23:54.46 | Mave | baz: heh |
| 23:54.47 | cuse | The_Vultore: what a answer :) |
| 23:54.50 | Justin_ | LVCIUS: goatse.cx is perhaps the best |
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| 23:54.55 | quaqo | Bye all |
| 23:54.59 | baz | LVCIUS: http://www.tubgirl.com |
| 23:55.05 | LVCIUS | nah |
| 23:55.09 | LVCIUS | i dont like tub girl |
| 23:55.13 | LVCIUS | that shit is messed |
| 23:55.16 | troubled | baz! |
| 23:55.21 | troubled | baz: you twit lol |
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| 23:55.38 | baz | oops |
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| 23:55.48 | songpenguin | Justin_: and tyhat's a dirty trick |
| 23:55.49 | troubled | LVCIUS: go learn C |
| 23:55.52 | LVCIUS | justin man tht shit is gross |
| 23:55.53 | baz | meant l33t.com |
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| 23:55.59 | baz | obviously |
| 23:56.05 | baz | force of habit |
| 23:56.05 | Mave | LVCIUS: tldp.org and debian.org |
| 23:56.08 | c | NIGSAH |
| 23:56.08 | troubled | too bad gamp.mine.nu is down |
| 23:56.16 | c | my frakin name |
| 23:56.20 | c | stop sayin it |
| 23:56.33 | frealek | quick question for big issue... my old server used to boot with a floppy disk because my latest-firmware-upgraded BIOS could not boot on any of the disks. the issue is that 2.6 no longer supports floppy disk boot. should I say bye bye to 2.6 for this server or is there any turnaround ? thx... |
| 23:56.50 | troubled | c: thats teh second time ive seen you speak today, and both times youve had nothing better to say than that? |
| 23:56.53 | petemc | frealek: use a cd and syslinux |
| 23:56.59 | tarzeau | troubled: me too! |
| 23:56.59 | songpenguin | LVCIUS: don't listen to Justin_, he just likes bashing his fellow newbies |
| 23:57.03 | petroquincy | eh? 2.6 doesn't boot off a floppy? |
| 23:57.05 | tarzeau | troubled: and drive letters are retarded |
| 23:57.07 | baz | frealek: I'd be looking for better firmware myself |
| 23:57.09 | juan_ | frealek: what? |
| 23:57.10 | troubled | tarzeau: lol |
| 23:57.16 | tarzeau | format c: |
| 23:57.19 | looksaus | laudrup, your pcmcia is needs an 8139too, right? |
| 23:57.22 | troubled | rofl, its all good |
| 23:57.28 | frealek | baz the bios is no longer supported |
| 23:57.28 | Justin_ | songpenguin: why don't you go be an idiot somewhere else? |
| 23:57.44 | tarzeau | songpenguin: Justin_ is my friend! |
| 23:57.47 | LVCIUS | so im guessing no one can give me a good place to learn to root? |
| 23:57.56 | oskie | frealek: use lilo on the floppy |
| 23:58.03 | oskie | frealek: or grub |
| 23:58.04 | songpenguin | Justin_: why dont you go making sick jokes somewere else |
| 23:58.07 | baz | LVCIUS: good guess |
| 23:58.10 | tarzeau | songpenguin: and if he didn't write his nvidis installer script nvidia would have never be able to sell their crap hardware so much! |
| 23:58.11 | Wyzard | LVCIUS: What do you mean by "learn to root" ? |
| 23:58.14 | troubled | LVCIUS: I told you, go learn C and figure it out on your own if you wanna be a candidate for jail |
| 23:58.21 | frealek | oskie I need that solution ! can you give some clue on how to do it ? |
| 23:58.25 | GoE | does anybody have any info on "shutting up" a debian box? That is to say, I want all logging GONE (ie no hard drive activity), and then have the harddrive spin down as soon as possible |
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| 23:58.29 | Justin_ | songpenguin: so what you are saying is you approve of script kiddies asking for help on how to hack systems in here? |
| 23:58.37 | tarzeau | LVCIUS: /msg apt fun |
| 23:58.42 | frealek | petemc : I'm afraid I can't boot on CDs too |
| 23:58.54 | tony | I want to be able to use .debs and apt-get on mac OS X |
| 23:58.54 | songpenguin | Justin_: NO! |
| 23:59.07 | oskie | frealek: lilo.. simple. install it as you would do if you were to install it on /dev/hda (or whatever your first disk is). put boot=/dev/fd0 in lilo.conf instead, and rerun lilo. |
| 23:59.11 | dondelelcaro | GoE: use syslog-ng and have it log to /dev/null. However, that's probably not a great idea unless you actually know what you're doing. |
| 23:59.14 | tarzeau | GoE: hdparm can make the harddisk spin down if it's ide |
| 23:59.14 | looksaus | tony, look for a fink IRC channel |
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| 23:59.17 | kingsmen | Getting permission deny when mounting NFS. I think I got hosts.deny and hosts.allow correct... anyone have an idea? |
| 23:59.19 | tarzeau | GoE: there's a similar tool for scsi |
| 23:59.21 | tony | fink? |
| 23:59.22 | tony | j |
| 23:59.27 | songpenguin | Justin_: sorry, missread the question |
| 23:59.28 | tony | k, rather |
| 23:59.29 | tarzeau | tony: you are sick! |
| 23:59.30 | looksaus | fink.sf.net, if i'm not mistaken |
| 23:59.31 | frealek | oskie well, gonna try that, thanks !! |
| 23:59.31 | tony | thanks |
| 23:59.34 | tarzeau | tony: get a therapist! |
| 23:59.36 | Aphrum | Is there any way in X to define two monitors(and lcd and crt) and have X use the appropriate monitor that is plugged into the computer? |
| 23:59.38 | tarzeau | tony: masochist! |
| 23:59.42 | GoE | tarzeau: yes, I know, but I need all loging to go away, so that the disk STAYS spinned down |
| 23:59.43 | songpenguin | Justin_: I thought he was asking how to learn to admin |
| 23:59.44 | petemc | frealek: its odd that a bios cant boot any disks, why is that? |
| 23:59.47 | looksaus | tony, you can also use debian on ppc |
| 23:59.48 | tony | debian rules, but the new job is mac os x |
| 23:59.53 | looksaus | i'm doing so |
| 23:59.55 | tarzeau | GoE: do you konw mount read only? |
| 23:59.56 | Wyzard | GoE: noflushd |
| 23:59.59 | frealek | petemc: far too old |
