| 00:00.01 | looksaus | on my ibook G4 |
| 00:00.05 | tarzeau | GoE: do you think someone can write if it's read-only mounted? |
| 00:00.09 | frealek | petemc : and disks are too recent for it |
| 00:00.15 | GoE | tarzeau: that will just annoy the loggers, won't it? |
| 00:00.22 | tarzeau | tony: you have no clue |
| 00:00.25 | tarzeau | tony: GNUstep is! |
| 00:00.28 | GoE | Wyzard: what's that? |
| 00:00.38 | oskie | kingsmen: are you sure /etc/exports is set up correctly on the server? |
| 00:00.41 | tony | tarzeau , no clue, eh? |
| 00:00.43 | Justin_ | Aphrum: the driver should be able to detect it automagically |
| 00:01.11 | tony | I'm just lazy |
| 00:01.29 | Wyzard | GoE: It's a daemon that stops write buffers from being flushed to disk periodically... when the disk *has* to spin because someone reads from it, pending writes will be performed, but when the system is inactive, writes will just sit in memory and not go to disk. |
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| 00:01.31 | tarzeau | tony: do you know teh gnustep? |
| 00:01.35 | monteiro | hi people |
| 00:01.38 | tarzeau | tony: gnustep si teh futare! |
| 00:01.39 | tony | I mean, I could just got about it the BSD way and CVS everything |
| 00:01.53 | Aphrum | justin_ ok cool so if i have a definition it should work, but how does that work with the ServerLayour section where you have to define a monitor to use? |
| 00:01.54 | GoE | Wyzard: what happens when the memory fills up then? |
| 00:02.00 | tony | but that sucks and remindes me of 1993 |
| 00:02.03 | frealek | petroquincy : apparently 2.6 no longer boots "directly" from floppies, i.e. dd if=vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 |
| 00:02.07 | monteiro | why i cant get dma support when i configured the kernel, and putt y to all that says dma |
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| 00:02.30 | GoE | monteiro: what chipset do you have? |
| 00:02.34 | baz | monteiro: hdparm? |
| 00:02.55 | tarzeau | tony: do you know gnustep stuff compiles also in os x? |
| 00:02.59 | Wyzard | GoE: I don't know... I suppose it'd have to write out the buffers then, but that's a lot of data |
| 00:03.11 | GoE | hmm yeah |
| 00:03.12 | GoE | thanks |
| 00:03.24 | GoE | i think I'll try to find a way to shut those loggers up first though :) |
| 00:03.38 | Wyzard | GoE: It's a rare system that can accumulate many megabytes of log writes without ever reading anything from its disk. |
| 00:03.47 | GoE | yeah, true true |
| 00:03.48 | looksaus | laudrup, how are things going? |
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| 00:03.53 | mati | gah |
| 00:03.56 | tarzeau | tony: http://maliwan.sourceforge.net/thissucks.jpg |
| 00:04.08 | mati | there is no sign of ppp or pppoe anywhere |
| 00:04.19 | mati | tho i remember reading about it |
| 00:04.22 | tarzeau | tony: http://it.geocities.com/evenset/linux/gnustep/200401032328.zip |
| 00:04.28 | tarzeau | apt gnustep |
| 00:04.30 | | GNU OpenStep API. URL: http://www.gnustep.org/ |
| 00:04.38 | tarzeau | apt gnustep is also http://maliwan.sourceforge.net/thissucks.jpg http://it.geocities.com/evenset/linux/gnustep/200401032328.zip |
| 00:04.40 | | okay, tarzeau |
| 00:04.43 | Wyzard | GoE: I'd recommend noflushd since you do get your logs written (assuming you shut down cleanly) but the disk can still spin down |
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| 00:04.48 | tarzeau | apt gnustep is also #gnustep |
| 00:04.49 | | okay, tarzeau |
| 00:04.54 | tarzeau | apt: gnustep is also http://www.gnustep.us/ |
| 00:04.56 | | tarzeau: okay |
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| 00:05.01 | Mave | tarzeau: what's there inside that .zip ? |
| 00:05.02 | baz | tarzeau: what wm is that? |
| 00:05.06 | tarzeau | Mave: the source code |
| 00:05.11 | debDork | hi folks |
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| 00:05.18 | droopy | is there a flash drive and linux howto?? |
| 00:05.27 | tarzeau | baz: it's not a wm, think of it as a toolkit, like qt (kde) or gtk (gnome), but 20 years ahead, and way better |
| 00:05.33 | ricII | I need some help with (proxy) arp, I wish to utilize a extra crosscable between 2 host for direct host to host traffic instead of using the normal (slow insecure) switch.. |
| 00:05.33 | Mave | tarzeau: in zip ? I don't want to be a fascist but it's lame bro :P |
| 00:05.33 | kingsmen | Oskie my /etc/export is correct unless it's a typo.. my /etc/export is this /home/kingsmen 192.168.10.0/24(rw) |
| 00:05.40 | tarzeau | Mave: geocities is fascist |
| 00:05.46 | snoke | how i convet mpeg to jpg files ? |
| 00:05.47 | Wyzard | laudrup: btw, I don't see any modules that look like they'd be for an 8139, judging by their names :-/ |
| 00:05.48 | tarzeau | Mave: they don't allow other stuff |
| 00:05.52 | tarzeau | snoke: that's sick |
| 00:05.55 | debDork | I have woody r1 and wish to get latest, is there an easy FTP means to do so? |
| 00:06.09 | tarzeau | debDork: there's apt-get ? |
| 00:06.11 | monteiro | GoE : i've an samsung |
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| 00:06.19 | tarzeau | debDork: the latest stable, or better sid? |
| 00:06.33 | tarzeau | Mave: i doubt you manage to compile it |
| 00:06.35 | monteiro | GoE : but the problem is that had worked in other distributions |
| 00:06.35 | GoE | Wyzard: yes, it's a good advice. However, the box will function ONLY as a router, so I really want the drive to stay quiet 99% of the time |
| 00:06.41 | snoke | tarzeau: jep i know but i have mpg from cam and i need to convert it to set of jpg |
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| 00:06.51 | GoE | monteiro: a samsung chipset? |
| 00:06.52 | filp | debDork: the only difference is security patches, no functionality |
| 00:07.01 | tarzeau | snoke: imagemagick or mplayer/mencoder maybe, or transcode |
| 00:07.01 | baz | tarzeau: ie. unstable or very unstable :) |
| 00:07.04 | GoE | monteiro: had no idea they made chipsets |
| 00:07.08 | debDork | tarzeau: can I FTP it as I am working from windows. my deb computer is not yet online |
| 00:07.08 | filp | debDork: so just update after installing |
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| 00:07.14 | petemc | GoE: if you read this weeks kernel traffic there's a discussion on spinning disks down |
| 00:07.19 | tarzeau | debDork: no that is sick |
| 00:07.20 | Wyzard | GoE: I just keep my router in a cabinet with the door closed :-) |
| 00:07.30 | tarzeau | debDork: masochist! |
| 00:07.33 | GoE | petemc: ok thank you |
| 00:07.36 | GoE | Wyzard: ;) |
| 00:07.50 | debDork | tarzeau: I am sorry I have sinned |
| 00:07.52 | Wyzard | laudrup: I got a 3Com card for my laptop for $15 on ebay... |
| 00:08.00 | debDork | but thats all I got |
| 00:08.05 | tarzeau | debDork: i can forgive you, are you female? |
| 00:08.11 | filp | debDork: it's not worth pulling down the latest rc |
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| 00:08.44 | filp | debDork: just say yes to the security pathces during the install |
| 00:08.58 | filp | debDork: and you'll be running the same as the latest rc anyway |
| 00:09.04 | debDork | tarzeau: are you going to give me feminine penance? |
| 00:09.15 | tarzeau | debDork: only if you have a penis-envy |
| 00:09.16 | Mave_ | filp: you mean r ? |
| 00:09.17 | songpenguin | does anyone know what FS is used in Olympus cameras, or any other non-moddable cameras? |
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| 00:09.34 | filp | Mave_: yeah watching Futurama, |
| 00:09.36 | mati | so what do i do |
| 00:09.41 | filp | Mave_: not paying attention |
| 00:09.44 | Wyzard | songpenguin: I don't have one, but if it's not FAT then it's probably something proprietary |
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| 00:09.55 | cafuego | songpenguin: FAT12 in general; vfat module. |
| 00:09.57 | Mave_ | filp: have fun |
| 00:10.03 | kzar | how would i go about setting up a mouse? i dont think its configured at all |
| 00:10.10 | monteiro | GoE : you're saying motherboard (asus) or processor (intel PIV) ? |
| 00:10.14 | cafuego | songpenguin: My olympus uses fat anyway |
| 00:10.16 | Mortal1 | hi , i have debian stable installed on a p4 , and it crashes (hard lockup) what can i try looking for? |
| 00:10.19 | tarzeau | kzar: usb, serial, parallel, firewire or ps/2 ? |
| 00:10.21 | filp | heeeeeeelp, mechanical man overboard |
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| 00:10.32 | kzar | tarzeau: just a normal ps/2 one |
| 00:10.36 | cafuego | tarzeau: firewire mouse? |
| 00:10.40 | tarzeau | kzar: oh that one i don't know |
| 00:10.41 | songpenguin | Wyzard: that's the problem |
| 00:10.44 | filp | Mortal1: error messages |
| 00:10.47 | tarzeau | cafuego: just checking if he knows it doesn't exist |
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| 00:11.03 | cafuego | tarzeau: Can you use those with sbp2 and put data on your mouse? |
| 00:11.05 | tarzeau | cafuego: i haven't seen parallel mice either |
| 00:11.07 | kzar | tarzeau: i told xf86config it was /dev/mouse but it doesnt exist, so i assume its not setup at all? |
| 00:11.19 | Mortal1 | filp, in /var/log/messages theres nothing at all , cept the last iptable message |
| 00:11.25 | cafuego | kzar: /dev/psaux |
| 00:11.29 | tarzeau | kzar: x version 3 or 4? do you know dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 00:11.41 | filp | Mortal1: what did you that started it crashing? |
| 00:11.42 | Mave_ | tarzeau: pci and isa is rare too |
| 00:11.45 | kzar | thanks cafuego , il give it a go |
| 00:11.48 | cafuego | kzar: /dev/mouse is *always* a symlink to an actual device. |
| 00:11.50 | Wyzard | songpenguin: If it's proprietary there's not much you can do unless you feel like writing a driver |
| 00:11.54 | filp | Mortal1: anything in /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 00:12.05 | crash | bye evryone i gonna sleep now |
| 00:12.08 | songpenguin | kzar: did you load mousedev.o? |
| 00:12.10 | tony | anyone know what's up with apt-get'ing kdm? |
| 00:12.10 | kzar | cafuego how would i make the symlink to /dev/psaux? |
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| 00:12.18 | kzar | songpenguin: i dont know |
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| 00:12.26 | cafuego | kzar: ln -sf /dev/psaux /dev/mouse |
| 00:12.34 | songpenguin | kzar: go lsmod |
| 00:12.35 | tarzeau | Mave_: don't forget SBUS |
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| 00:12.44 | debDork | tarzeau: well I have various female admirers and I play aussie rules football. my lady friends do have the "debDork penis envy" disease and this is from sense of sight only, |
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| 00:12.57 | songpenguin | kzar: mousedev creates /dev/input/mouse and I think /dev/mouse also |
| 00:13.06 | mati | has anyone ever installed debian over pppoe ? |
| 00:13.07 | tarzeau | debDork: i don't believe you unless you prove with lady friend photos! |
| 00:13.13 | cafuego | aussie rules? Oh no! Not bloody footy! |
| 00:13.20 | songpenguin | Wyzard: I might have to |
| 00:13.22 | debDork | haha |
| 00:13.33 | Mortal1 | filp, i dont know , its quite a new install , it goes down randomly , sometimes it can take a month ,m other times it takes 3 days |
| 00:13.37 | Mave_ | debDork: show him the photo |
| 00:13.51 | Mortal1 | filp, it just wentr down today tho |
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| 00:13.57 | filp | Mortal1: what's it doing when it goes down? |
| 00:14.04 | filp | Mortal1, under load? |
| 00:14.16 | kzar | songpenguin: i dont think its in their, modprobe mousedev rite? |
| 00:14.26 | filp | Mortal1: can you get console access, can you ping it? |
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| 00:14.36 | songpenguin | kzar: right |
| 00:14.36 | sandman1 | hey |
| 00:14.38 | debDork | tarzeau: so the best deal is to make woody r1 fully operational and use apt to update it?? |
| 00:14.38 | snowman11 | hello all |
| 00:14.41 | filp | Mortal1: what do you mean "goes down"? |
| 00:14.41 | cafuego | Mortal1: it hasn't been overly hot in NZ, has it? |
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| 00:14.45 | tarzeau | debDork: yep |
| 00:14.49 | splodge2003 | Hello |
| 00:14.53 | tarzeau | debDork: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ maybe that helps |
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| 00:14.56 | splodge2003 | Does anyone here run cinelerra? |
| 00:14.58 | kzar | songpenguin: il go back to the pc and see if it will start, brb |
| 00:15.03 | songpenguin | kzar: k |
| 00:15.04 | snowman11 | first time irc'r here |
| 00:15.04 | Mortal1 | filp, its hosting web site |
| 00:15.07 | B-I-N-G-O | ok not to be rude to anyone but i was wondering what people in here had to say to the fact that almost everyone in other channel thinks the people in #debian are rude and stupid? |
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| 00:15.19 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Like we give a fuck. |
| 00:15.25 | tarzeau | debDork: oh this one might help too. www.goatse.cx |
| 00:15.32 | b0xii | B-I-N-G-O: i'll go with rude, but not stupid |
| 00:15.40 | B-I-N-G-O | tarzeau thats a funny ass site |
| 00:15.42 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: rude here |
| 00:15.45 | kenneth | I guess cafuego is an example of what you just asked B-I-N-G-O |
| 00:15.47 | B-I-N-G-O | and yall dont care? |
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| 00:15.51 | Mortal1 | filp, i mean it cant take ssh connections , and there is not way to input anything with the keyboard plugged into it , monitor shows nothing |
| 00:15.54 | stoerte_ | hi |
| 00:15.58 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Actually, people in here are generally very helpful until the person asking for help starts being rude and stupid. |
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| 00:16.06 | Mave_ | don't feed the trolls |
| 00:16.12 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: sure we do |
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| 00:16.34 | B-I-N-G-O | no i was kicked outa here and i wasnt even doing anything someone just had a tampon stuck up there ass |
| 00:16.34 | Mortal1 | cafuego, its a p4 northwood underclocked , its it realy cool to touch |
| 00:16.36 | snowman11 | this is my first go at installing 3.0 rc2 and I have a quick question |
| 00:16.37 | B-I-N-G-O | i mean its people like you that make linux nebies not what to try linux |
| 00:16.38 | thomas_adam | B-I-N-G-O: indeed |
| 00:16.47 | B-I-N-G-O | ok well that answers my question |
| 00:16.47 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: not me |
| 00:16.48 | thomas_adam | B-I-N-G-O: what#s up? |
| 00:16.52 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: It generally starts with "did you read the docs?" - "i'm too good to read docs, you must tell me what iw ant to know or else" |
| 00:16.54 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: i run a lug in my region |
| 00:17.02 | Justin_ | B-I-N-G-O: why dont you use a name that's not obnoxious |
| 00:17.04 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: the fact is there are more people in #debian and there are bound to be jerks who like to newbie bash |
| 00:17.05 | B-I-N-G-O | exactly all you people know how to say is RTFM |
| 00:17.06 | looksaus | snowman11, ask away |
| 00:17.06 | B-I-N-G-O | thats not helping |
| 00:17.08 | kzar | songpenguin: that did let me startx but the mouse went all over the place when i move it |
| 00:17.12 | snowman11 | thx |
| 00:17.13 | tarzeau | yeah did you: read the funky manual? |
| 00:17.21 | baz | Justin_: lol, I think you proved his point there |
| 00:17.22 | thomas_adam | B-I-N-G-O: What is your Linux question? |
| 00:17.24 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: and that's not rude |
| 00:17.29 | songpenguin | kzar: what tipe of mouse is it? |
| 00:17.30 | looksaus | (I hope I'll be able to help) |
| 00:17.37 | B-I-N-G-O | i dont have a linux question i was jut curious |
| 00:17.44 | songpenguin | kzar: you probly have the wrong driver |
| 00:17.44 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: usually if someone asks a question, I copy and paste it into google, if the answers on the first page then they deserve whats comming |
| 00:17.46 | snowman11 | I read the docs and I'm pretty new to linux (tried RH and JAMD) but want a bit more control. |
| 00:17.49 | thomas_adam | B-I-N-G-O: Fair enough. |
| 00:17.57 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Why would asking someone to look at a file that tells them exactly how to do what they want be either rude or stupid? |
| 00:17.57 | Mave_ | let's show him how rude we're boys. mwhahaha |
| 00:17.59 | stoerte_ | nice nick |
| 00:18.01 | snowman11 | how do I have X start upon boot? |
| 00:18.04 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: people are lazy |
| 00:18.12 | kzar | songpenguin: its a standard ps2 optical mouse with a wheel |
| 00:18.12 | cafuego | snowman11: install xdm,kdm or gdm |
| 00:18.15 | tarzeau | snowman11: with *dm or login.app |
| 00:18.17 | petroquincy | kzar: do you have gpm installed? i.e., do you get blocky mouse curser in text-mode? |
| 00:18.20 | thomas_adam | snowman11: Debain does start X in all run-levels |
| 00:18.27 | cafuego | kzar: ExPS/2 prorocol |
| 00:18.28 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: and couldn't be bothered figuring out problems themselves |
| 00:18.31 | kzar | petroquincy: nop |
| 00:18.38 | baz | the ones that make me laugh are the ones that type a 4 line rant when the answer is only something like "apt-cache search bla" |
| 00:18.42 | B-I-N-G-O | no many a times i came in here with a question and i read the docs and googled and still coudlnt find the answer and no matter how i tried to explain it all people could say was "RTFM" |
| 00:18.51 | kzar | cafuego: huh? |
| 00:18.51 | cafuego | thomas_adam: Well, not in 0, 1 or 6. |
| 00:18.55 | snowman11 | I installed gdm (Gnome desktop right?) |
| 00:18.55 | Mortal1 | filp, cafuego, is there nothing i can do? |
| 00:19.00 | B-I-N-G-O | i spent 3 hours on google and man and docs and no luck then came in here and all people said was RTFM |
| 00:19.01 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: and it wasn't in www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ either? |
| 00:19.01 | thomas_adam | cafuego: :) pedant! |
| 00:19.02 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: Some people are less-understanding than others |
| 00:19.10 | B-I-N-G-O | it was no where |
| 00:19.10 | Mave_ | B-I-N-G-O: no that's bullshit. RTFM means there's a manual to read |
| 00:19.11 | cafuego | kzar: Your mouse, it's on /dev/psaux and uses the exps/2 protocol. |
| 00:19.13 | songpenguin | kzar: ok, kill mousedev and dpkg-reconfigure and have the mouse input from /dev/psaux |
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| 00:19.18 | Mortal1 | filp, cafuego, just wait for it to crash again |
| 00:19.28 | B-I-N-G-O | Wyzard if i recall corretly ur the one that was arguing with me heh |
| 00:19.28 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: how do you think people here got the answers? I came to them in a dream? |
| 00:19.31 | B-I-N-G-O | anyway i was just curious |
| 00:19.37 | songpenguin | kzar: mousedev is mainly for USB mice |
| 00:19.39 | kingsmen | Getting permission deny when mounting NFS on client machine... /etc/export is /home/kingsmen 192.168.10.0/24(rw)... /etc/hosts.allow is ALL:192.168.10.10 and /etc/hosts/deny is portmap:ALL ... Anyone know what i screwed up in? |
| 00:19.42 | B-I-N-G-O | okw ell im out |
| 00:19.42 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: we all r'd the FM and figured it out |
| 00:19.43 | thomas_adam | B-I-N-G-O: Don't be put off, stay a while. |
| 00:19.48 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: I don't recognize your nick... what was I arguing with you about, and when? |
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| 00:19.50 | B-I-N-G-O | im not put off |
| 00:19.56 | B-I-N-G-O | im Angligash |
| 00:19.59 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: do you use gentoo? |
| 00:20.00 | kzar | songpenguin: dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 00:20.02 | Wyzard | doesn't ring a bell |
| 00:20.04 | B-I-N-G-O | tarzeau yes |
| 00:20.16 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: why do you claim you are not an idiot? |
| 00:20.16 | Mortal1 | one thing i am a little suss about is the promise ide raid |
| 00:20.16 | songpenguin | kzar dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:20.25 | cafuego | Mortal1: You running that in ATA mode or in raid mode? |
| 00:20.25 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: I haven't been here in the past week... are you sure you're not thinking of someone else? |
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| 00:20.35 | baz | tarzeau: when did he claim that? |
| 00:20.44 | tarzeau | baz: ok he said he's not stupid |
| 00:20.48 | Mortal1 | cafuego, pardon? |
| 00:20.56 | stoerte_ | *test* test |
| 00:20.58 | B-I-N-G-O | it was a few weeks ago |
| 00:20.59 | baz | tarzeau: and what's that got to do with gentoo? I smell a conspiracy ;) |
| 00:21.03 | Mortal1 | cafuego, i thought it was ata raid |
| 00:21.03 | snowman11 | works |
| 00:21.14 | tarzeau | baz: oh you weren't here lastweek, with sandman ? |
| 00:21.17 | cafuego | Mortal1: The promise card... generally you can use them either as raid or as 4xide |
| 00:21.18 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: how do you think people here figured out problems? |
| 00:21.22 | tarzeau | baz: it's really not important, you missed some fun |
| 00:21.24 | snowman11 | tarzeau did you get that? |
| 00:21.24 | B-I-N-G-O | i get ur point but |
| 00:21.28 | baz | tarzeau: don't think so, I was away over the holidays |
| 00:21.34 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: but what? |
| 00:21.36 | tarzeau | snowman11: get what? |
| 00:21.37 | Mortal1 | cafuego, ahh , i see what u mean , im running it as raid mirror |
| 00:21.42 | B-I-N-G-O | i understand that a lot of yall get annoyed by people asking questions that are in a doc somewhere |
| 00:21.44 | cafuego | Mortal1: *nod* |
| 00:21.45 | tarzeau | snowman11: it works? did we help you? |
| 00:21.52 | B-I-N-G-O | but when you goto the doctor and ask him why ur in pain does he tell you to read the manual? |
| 00:21.54 | B-I-N-G-O | its called help |
| 00:21.56 | tarzeau | snowman11: oh my god we really are stupid and rude, we helped you |
| 00:21.56 | baz | lol |
| 00:21.57 | snowman11 | I'm checking now... |
| 00:22.00 | B-I-N-G-O | and RTFM does not count ash elp |
| 00:22.00 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: have you heard that? |
| 00:22.01 | B-I-N-G-O | help |
| 00:22.02 | baz | rtfmedicaldictionary |
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| 00:22.06 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: no but I'm paying him |
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| 00:22.13 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: we just were damn rude and stupid, we helped snowman11 |
| 00:22.20 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Help does not equate to "you must tell me what i should type, so i learn nothing" |
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| 00:22.33 | stoerte_ | .oO(ignore ?-?-?-*!*@*) |
| 00:22.36 | Mortal1 | cafuego, this is the strange part |
| 00:22.39 | Mortal1 | cat /proc/ide/pdcnew |
| 00:22.39 | Mortal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.42 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: I hate it when people tell me to RTFM! |
| 00:22.44 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: I still don't remember (maybe if you tell me what we were talking about) but generally I help people when they have an idea of what they need but just can't find a few pieces of the puzzle, but I don't help people who ask very broad-scoped questions that would require a large investment of time on my part to explain |
| 00:22.46 | netwrkguy | get error "no screens found" when launching x |
| 00:23.05 | tarzeau | netwrkguy: did you say no to the FBDev question? |
| 00:23.05 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: at least tell them where to look! |
| 00:23.06 | snowman11 | looks like during my install (im doing it now) I get an error on kdelibs3 |
| 00:23.11 | B-I-N-G-O | not everyone learns by reading stuff some people learn by example |
| 00:23.19 | netwrkguy | tarzeau dunno |
| 00:23.22 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: lazy people |
| 00:23.26 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Popel cna learn to learn by reading. |
| 00:23.27 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: what do you want to learn? |
| 00:23.38 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: It's a really useful skill. |
| 00:23.42 | petroquincy | usually examples are written down |
| 00:23.44 | B-I-N-G-O | my brother is in highschool and has the intelligence level of a senior in college (according to an IQ test) but he cant leearn by reading he has to be explaind by examples |
| 00:23.45 | tarzeau | netwrkguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:23.45 | petroquincy | so that's reading too |
| 00:23.48 | songpenguin | filp: and newbies who don't have enough experiance |
| 00:23.59 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: most schools and universities employ it, they're not generally considered rude and stupid. |
| 00:24.01 | filp | songpenguin: so read |
| 00:24.09 | cafuego | Mortal1: What's odd about that? |
| 00:24.15 | baz | cafuego: I considered school rude and stupid |
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| 00:24.18 | B-I-N-G-O | when you goto ur teacher for help he/she tells you "Read the book" |
| 00:24.22 | B-I-N-G-O | ? |
| 00:24.23 | stoerte_ | examples are great anyway |
| 00:24.27 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: yes sometimes |
| 00:24.31 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Quite often, yes. |
| 00:24.31 | B-I-N-G-O | bad teacher |
| 00:24.35 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: no |
| 00:24.39 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: i disagree |
| 00:24.43 | thomas_adam | yawn |
| 00:24.48 | songpenguin | filp: and when you're a newbie with a report due the next day and the printer does'nt work, what then? |
| 00:25.09 | filp | songpenguin: not break your printer in the first place |
| 00:25.13 | Mave_ | songpenguin: cry loudly and beg for help |
| 00:25.27 | Mortal1 | cafuego, under a diff distro (slack) with pre compiled kernel it was not pdcnew , and it was mire verbose as in what drivers were connected and running dma etc. |
| 00:25.38 | B-I-N-G-O | wow all the teachers at my school that say 'read the book' are considerd bad teachers thats not teaching i mean why do i need them then, i can just read the book and learn everything |
| 00:25.39 | B-I-N-G-O | haha |
| 00:25.47 | B-I-N-G-O | i didnt htink my question would escelate to such a level |
| 00:25.47 | cafuego | Mortal1: That would have been ATA mode, then. |
| 00:25.48 | songpenguin | filp: SNAFU |
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| 00:25.55 | debDork | tarzeau: those shit-shots ought be titled: "Micrsoft's Contrubution To Secure Networking #1 etc" and "The Big Microsoft Internet Worm",,,,,,, haha did you model for that shot or did they used Corel Draw to shrink your winkie a bit? |
| 00:25.56 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: It depends on the scope of the question... if someone asks us "how to set up X", (for example), we'd probably tell them to RTFM because it'd take a lot of time and effort to go over the entire process step-by-step |
| 00:25.57 | baz | snafu? |
| 00:26.01 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: so, what was the question you asked? |
| 00:26.04 | snowman11 | dont want to interrupt but looks like during my install (gdm) I get a kdelibs error and its asking me to reinstall? |
| 00:26.08 | Eno_ | just curious |
| 00:26.10 | Mortal1 | cafuego, now it wasnt |
| 00:26.12 | snowman11 | dumb question I know |
| 00:26.18 | petroquincy | B-I-N-G-O: it's escalated because you're basically demanding that people do stuff they don't want to do. you can't _make_ them spend time on you. |
| 00:26.21 | Mortal1 | cafuego, no , it wasnt |
| 00:26.29 | cafuego | Mortal1: Odd. Maybe that used the old pdc driver.. there's 2 in the kernel. |
| 00:26.36 | mage_ | ~stop |
| 00:26.38 | | PLEASE STOP! |
| 00:26.48 | songpenguin | Eno_: he asked if it bothered us that some people in #debian are bashing newbies |
| 00:26.48 | Eno_ | ~start |
| 00:26.50 | | General purpose home page for an intranet. URL: http://fancy.secureshell.com/start/ |
| 00:26.50 | baz | petroquincy: he demanded nothing, his question was whether #debian is aware of its reputation, and whether people care |
| 00:26.52 | stoerte_ | ~slap * |
| 00:26.55 | | ACTION slaps *, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 00:27.02 | Mortal1 | cafuego, yer , this is the only thing i cant think off |
| 00:27.08 | songpenguin | kzar: working yet? |
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| 00:27.14 | B-I-N-G-O | Eno_ my question was "ok not to be rude to anyone but i was wondering what people in here had to say to the fact that almost everyone in other channel thinks the people in #debian are rude and stupid?" |
| 00:27.14 | cafuego | baz: "yes" "no" |
| 00:27.15 | jchoisy | hi there |
| 00:27.24 | Mortal1 | cafuego, have u heard of anuy instabiltys with promoise raid driver? |
| 00:27.30 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: who thinks so? |
| 00:27.31 | baz | cafuego: heh, I think that's overwhelmingly evident ;) |
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| 00:27.43 | kzar | songpenguin: ive tried reconfiguring x like you said and rmmoding the devmouse thing, im not having alot of luck though |
| 00:27.44 | B-I-N-G-O | tarzeau almost everyone i have talked to in various channels |
| 00:27.47 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: i'm like in max number of freenode channels and i didn't see anoyne think that |
| 00:27.51 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: so you never had an actual help question? |
| 00:28.00 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: btw, keep in mind that you've paid (via taxes and/or tuition) the people at your school to teach you |
| 00:28.01 | cafuego | Mortal1: Well, my on-board 20276 is a bit wonky, but then again i have very VERY old and shitty drived hooked up to it. |
| 00:28.03 | B-I-N-G-O | first thing id like to say im not mad or anything i was just curious i actually think its kinda funny |
| 00:28.04 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: strange, nobody i talked to did say anything like that, ever |
| 00:28.04 | songpenguin | kzar: /dev/psaux? |
| 00:28.07 | snowman11 | I'm asking for help... |
| 00:28.16 | cafuego | Mortal1: I also have a non-raid TX2 in the main server and that's rock solid. |
| 00:28.17 | kzar | soungpenguin: its still working but not doing x right. By the way which config file is actualy used? XF86Config or the XF86Config-4? |
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| 00:28.20 | songpenguin | snowman11: what is it? |
| 00:28.23 | snowman11 | thx |
| 00:28.26 | baz | tarzeau: go and ask #gentoo what they think |
| 00:28.34 | B-I-N-G-O | <some person> Heh, I never got a bit of help from #debian. |
| 00:28.35 | tarzeau | baz: you come too! NOW |
| 00:28.40 | snowman11 | I'm getting a kdelibs3 error on install and I installed gdm... |
| 00:28.50 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: i've gotten plenty of help here... |
| 00:28.53 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: I have |
| 00:28.55 | B-I-N-G-O | tarzeau i have a shit load of examples wnt moare? |
| 00:29.03 | filp | okay, there's a #debianhelp , if you want to ask questions or answer them go there |
| 00:29.03 | B-I-N-G-O | no no |
| 00:29.05 | B-I-N-G-O | im not saying that |
| 00:29.08 | B-I-N-G-O | i have got help here too |
| 00:29.13 | kzar | songpenguin: was this the right link to do ? ln -sf /dev/psaux /dev/mouse so that i can just use /dev/mouse? |
| 00:29.15 | snowman11 | I'm getting a kdelibs3 error on install and I installed gdm... |
| 00:29.15 | Mortal1 | cafuego, whats good ,solid ,supported raid for linux? (IDE) |
| 00:29.16 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: In general, if people don't get help either nobody here known the answer or they're being rude and stupid themselves. |
| 00:29.18 | B-I-N-G-O | but not w/o someont bitching and bieng rude |
| 00:29.18 | filp | people who just like debian and haning around stay here |
| 00:29.23 | cafuego | Mortal1: 3Ware ATA raid |
| 00:29.26 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: yes |
| 00:29.32 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: some people are rude |
| 00:29.34 | cafuego | Mortal1: That's properly hardware, unlike Promise. |
| 00:29.38 | songpenguin | kzar: you could, but I recommend just using psaux |
| 00:29.50 | filp | hmmm the channel doesn't seem to be filling up |
| 00:29.54 | B-I-N-G-O | ok personally i dont like confrontation so im going to stop now |
| 00:30.00 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: Even is someone is bitching and beiong rude, surely all irc clients support /ignore <heh> |
| 00:30.02 | songpenguin | kzar: wait... did you ln -s before you loaded mousedev? |
| 00:30.15 | Wyzard | B-I-N-G-O: There are a few people here who are condescending and rude to everyone who isn't a guru already... but you can ignore those people and it's no big deal |
| 00:30.16 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: I gues not many people want to answers the same questions over and over again |
| 00:30.20 | loop | why cant you just shut the fuck up? |
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| 00:30.33 | baz | loop: good argument, nicely formulated. where did you graduate? |
| 00:30.38 | sebulba02 | heh |
| 00:30.38 | B-I-N-G-O | filp if they dont want to answer the question then they dont have to say anything |
| 00:30.50 | thomas_adam | if it is recursive, maybe we have the wrong approach to answering questions? |
| 00:31.02 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: this is not a debian help channel |
| 00:31.06 | cafuego | B-I-N-G-O: mwilson and sussudio are the exceptions that prove the rule. |
| 00:31.09 | loop | oh my god, this is ridiculous |
| 00:31.11 | thomas_adam | of course, with so many people having their head up their arse..... |
| 00:31.15 | songpenguin | filp: YES IT IS!!! |
| 00:31.15 | kzar | soungpenguin: well i did the ln -sf /dev/psaux /dev/mouse first before the insmod yea |
| 00:31.17 | B-I-N-G-O | filp whaat?????????? |
| 00:31.32 | B-I-N-G-O | filp: "this is not a debian help channel" ???? then what is this channel? |
| 00:31.34 | snowman11 | is this a help channel? |
| 00:31.43 | Wyzard | It's a Debian discussion channel |
| 00:31.44 | B-I-N-G-O | it was my understanding that this channel and others like it were help channels |
| 00:31.49 | snowman11 | if not then someone let me know where to go to get help |
| 00:31.53 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: it's a debian channel |
| 00:31.56 | B-I-N-G-O | well in that case il shut up everything i have ever known is wrong |
| 00:31.57 | Wyzard | Well, people here often help each other |
| 00:32.03 | cafuego | snowman11: Psychiatrist? |
| 00:32.04 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: that's why it's called #debian |
| 00:32.09 | snowman11 | funny |
| 00:32.09 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: not debianhelp |
| 00:32.18 | Wyzard | But there's nothing about being in the channel that says anyone has to help anyone else |
| 00:32.23 | songpenguin | kzar: ok, I think I see the problem... rm /dev/mouse and then modprobe devmouse. try that |
| 00:32.25 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: people can help if they want |
| 00:32.25 | debDork | tarzeau: I take it all back about Microsoft, the shit shots are SCO and the dude with the big winkie is darl and he wishes to shaft the Linux community with his winkie - but that pic portrays a he man and Darl is a pip squeak, but he does have a big mouth that is somewhat similar in size to your pic |
| 00:32.32 | kzar | bingo your going about this the wrong way. If your a noob like me and u need help all the time, dont argue, dont say stupid stuff etc and be gratefull for help |
| 00:32.49 | songpenguin | filp: and the reason it's listed and a help channel in debian.org? |
| 00:33.01 | B-I-N-G-O | yall ever heard if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all, if a guy asks a question and u dontw ant to asnwer all u can say is RTFm then dont answer, politness is a good thing |
| 00:33.05 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: no one here gets paid to help, they can help if they want to (if they're nice) |
| 00:33.05 | cafuego | songpenguin: Incorrect docs? |
| 00:33.13 | snowman11 | im with you kzar. im new to but this is an enlightening experience on this channel |
| 00:33.21 | mwilson | How is RTFM impolite? |
| 00:33.23 | B-I-N-G-O | Eno_ i agree but no need to be rude if u dont want to help dont have to say anything |
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| 00:33.30 | thomas_adam | rofl |
| 00:33.33 | mwilson | He's too special to ever be required to read? |
| 00:33.35 | thomas_adam | oh dear |
| 00:33.38 | petroquincy | mwilson: you might not know what it means? :) |
| 00:33.40 | kzar | songpenguin: you meen mousedev not devmouse? |
| 00:33.41 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: so just ignore those people |
| 00:33.47 | sebulba02 | thomas_adam: getting good, eh? |
| 00:33.47 | tarzeau | debDork: you don't know me |
| 00:33.48 | petroquincy | mwilson: misread, ignore.. |
| 00:33.49 | mwilson | That's a great attitude that will no doubt serve him well in life. |
| 00:33.51 | songpenguin | kzar: my mistake |
| 00:33.56 | kzar | just checking |
| 00:33.57 | tarzeau | debDork: stop talking crap like that, know me better then you can talk! |
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| 00:34.03 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: not everyone is nice .. |
| 00:34.05 | J_P | hi all |
| 00:34.13 | Spider210 | how can i change my hostname |
| 00:34.16 | cafuego | Not everyone is nice all of the time. |
| 00:34.18 | B-I-N-G-O | i need to record this channel convo my friends are going to laught there ass over it, its amazing how far some peopleas head is up there ass |
| 00:34.19 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I believe you and I have had this discussion already :) |
| 00:34.22 | B-I-N-G-O | Eno_ i knwo but its discouraging |
| 00:34.24 | Mortal1 | cafuego, do u get the card and simply enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID: |
| 00:34.25 | cafuego | ... you bastard. |
| 00:34.32 | mage_ | echo "hostname" > /etc/hostname |
| 00:34.38 | cafuego | Mortal1: I expect so, yes. Theyr'e not cheap, though. |
| 00:34.42 | B-I-N-G-O | linux is supposed to be inviting so microsoft can go down |
| 00:34.43 | thomas_adam | cafuego: s/^/Kenny/ |
| 00:34.56 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: I've helped lots of people before, on this channel, but only those who have made an effort first |
| 00:34.57 | B-I-N-G-O | but if the newbs come here and get yelled at then well that makes em wanna stay away |
| 00:35.06 | cafuego | Mortal1: What you can also do is not use the raid on the promise card, but kernel mode software raid instead (is faster too) |
| 00:35.14 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: i don't really care, but thats just me |
| 00:35.18 | snowman11 | or read BS rants by people... |
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| 00:35.31 | double_c | B-I-N-G-O: not enough of them read these common sense instructions first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:35.32 | B-I-N-G-O | filp i always came here for hlep AFTER making an effort, and il admit the answer was in the docs i was reading but i coudltn figure it out, i spent hours and all people coudl say was RTFM |
| 00:35.44 | songpenguin | B-I-N-G-O: yeah, some of these jerks don't realize that the monopoly hurts everyone |
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| 00:35.49 | cafuego | omfg omfg omfg the squirrel killed the taxidriver and they were all on cocaine and omfg it's all wrong and green! |
| 00:35.52 | Eno_ | B-I-N-G-O: (and no, i'm not one of the rtfm people) |
| 00:35.59 | cafuego | snowman11: like that? |
| 00:36.09 | snowman11 | yeah kinda... |
| 00:36.13 | B-I-N-G-O | sweet x fin compiling |
| 00:36.14 | B-I-N-G-O | brb |
| 00:36.19 | mwilson | B-I-N-G-O: Where in the world did you get the idea that Linux was "supposed" to be anything at all? |
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| 00:36.25 | snowman11 | I'm just looking for some help from some experts thats all |
| 00:36.28 | ricII | pointing them the the apropiate manpage would be more help.. |
| 00:36.32 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: perhaps you've been hard done by, but the most people ask the same question over and over again, that has hundreds of well documented solutions |
| 00:36.37 | mage_ | compiling X is ... stupid. |
| 00:36.48 | filp | B-I-N-G-O: then they get crappy when people wont help them |
| 00:36.49 | petemc | mwilson: the same place he learnt about choosing an irc nick |
| 00:36.59 | cafuego | mage_: that depends |
| 00:37.02 | netwrkguy | i reconfigured x and still getting the "no screens found fatal error" |
| 00:37.16 | songpenguin | filp: prehaps someone should write an faq and reference it in #debian's topic? |
| 00:37.20 | kzar | songpenguin: i did that and it said it couldnt find /dev/mouse so i changed it to /dev/psaux in the xf86config. Same thing , then i changed it in xf86config-4 and it then started but the mouse still isnt behaving. Can i rm the xf86config if it is doing nothing but confusing me? |
| 00:37.21 | baz | mage_: yes, we should all just read the source code, binaries are lame |
| 00:37.25 | J_P | people, one know some usual bttv tv capture card with many sources suppoterd by linux ? |
| 00:37.26 | mwilson | netwrkguy: Then "reconfigure" it again and this time do it properly. |
| 00:37.39 | songpenguin | kzar: DONT DO IT! |
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| 00:37.49 | ricII | arp is still playing tricks on me.. |
| 00:37.50 | filp | songpenguin: there's plenty of docco for 80% of the questions that get asked here |
| 00:37.52 | kzar | songpenguin: what is the point of it?! |
| 00:38.10 | filp | songpenguin: if people wont read, writing more wont help |
| 00:38.12 | netwrkguy | mwilson thats what i'm trying to do... which part of the configuration could be causing this |
| 00:38.26 | songpenguin | kzar: sonds like oyu might have an issue with the PS/2 driver |
| 00:38.47 | songpenguin | kzar: hold on |
| 00:38.51 | B-I-N-G-O | tarzeau hahaha |
| 00:38.55 | kzar | songpenguin: well i duno, the mouse does move when i move the mouse, it just goes all over the place instead of doing anything helpfull |
| 00:39.03 | tarzeau | B-I-N-G-O: say it! |
| 00:39.11 | songpenguin | kzar: of course |
| 00:39.12 | ricII | kzar wrong protocol |
| 00:39.16 | cafuego | kzar: is `gpm' running? |
| 00:39.34 | kzar | neo:~# ps -ef | grep gpm |
| 00:39.34 | kzar | root 2591 2072 0 00:44 pts/1 00:00:00 grep gpm |
| 00:39.35 | mwilson | netwrkguy: Here's a novel idea... actually bother to read the log, and see what the X server actually thinks is wrong. |
| 00:39.38 | kzar | doesnt look like it |
| 00:39.53 | mwilson | cafuego: You have a week while that compiles? :) |
| 00:39.59 | cafuego | kzar: ok, then the protocol is wrong. Change it to 'ImPS/2' |
| 00:40.04 | kzar | k |
| 00:40.14 | cafuego | mwilson: I'm already at net/sched |
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| 00:40.38 | frealek | oskie : that worked, but I actually had to mke2fs /dev/fd0, copy vmlinuz & map file to /floppy then the lilo.conf had to have the /floppy/* paths instead of /boot... I'm now stucked with a strange problem... nothing related to modules works, I got an error for lsmod with something like "QM_MODULES"... but I have the 5 options in loadable kernel modules selected... |
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| 00:41.04 | thomas_adam | frealek: module-init-tools |
| 00:41.06 | kzar | il test that in a second. Could you tell me what is the xf86config for if the xf86config-4 actualy does it all |
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| 00:41.16 | thomas_adam | frealek: install that |
| 00:41.17 | cafuego | frealek: 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:41.20 | oskie | frealek: weird. if lilo can find out harddrive, you shouldn't need to mke2fs or copy kernel to the floppy |
| 00:41.23 | mercury_ | #gentoo |
| 00:41.28 | songpenguin | kzar: I think cafuego is right |
| 00:41.41 | frealek | thomas_adam ok |
| 00:41.41 | kzar | songpenguin: yea so do i, il brb |
| 00:41.42 | mwilson | kzar: It's not for anything. Who told you it was? And the file is named 'XF86Config-4', by the way. |
| 00:41.46 | frealek | cafuego affirmative |
| 00:41.54 | cafuego | kzar: xf86config is a deprecated configurating tool |
| 00:42.01 | kzar | mwilson: so i can rm the XF86Config file? |
| 00:42.03 | cafuego | frealek: Yeah, missing module-init-tools then. |
| 00:42.15 | frealek | oskie : well I swear I needed it ;) (create an fs on floppy and so on) |
| 00:42.16 | Mortal1 | cafuego, is kernel raid this ? [*] Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM) |
| 00:42.21 | cafuego | Mortal1: Yep |
| 00:42.29 | mwilson | kzar: I didn't and won't tell you to delete anything. You want to fsck up your box, you do it without any help from me. |
| 00:42.41 | kzar | mwilson: whatever |
| 00:42.42 | kzar | brb |
| 00:43.01 | tamran | how do you set up alsa in debian to spurn multiple alsa serviced so two sound programs can work at the same time like in OSS? |
| 00:43.01 | cafuego | Mortal1: I'm not sure though if you'll need to re-init the filesystems and whatnot after booting that, do you have any data that needs to be backed up? |
| 00:43.19 | songpenguin | kzar: if you delete anything remember to back it up |
| 00:43.21 | cafuego | tamran: sound server (esound/artsd/..) |
| 00:43.30 | thomas_adam | tamran: esd |
| 00:43.32 | frealek | cafuego / thomas_adam should I have to do something after that ? recompile ? activate something ? |
| 00:43.37 | cafuego | frealek: nope |
| 00:43.52 | thomas_adam | frealek: no, module-init-tools is a package. Install that, run "depmod -a" |
| 00:43.52 | Mortal1 | cafuego, once u build that into the kernel can u mount ur raid on /dev/??? |
| 00:43.53 | Wyzard | tamran: I've never heard of OSS letting multiple sound sources play at the same time when the hardware doesn't support it... you're probably thinking of a sound server like ESD or ARTS |
| 00:44.11 | kzar | songpenguin: cafuego: it worked :) thanks for the help there |
| 00:44.13 | cafuego | mwilson: zImage done after an hour, time for modules now ;-) |
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| 00:44.16 | frealek | thomas_adam ok the depmod -a was missing in my head ;) |
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| 00:44.21 | ricII | 2 host each 2 nics,1 of each nics is connected to a swicth the other by a crosscable.A static arp entry on host1 'host2 mac:adress:host2:nic2 dev nic2' sould direct traffic for host2 over the crosscable right? |
| 00:44.26 | tamran | ok, I don't think I have either esd or artsd |
| 00:44.26 | songpenguin | kzar: good, have fun |
| 00:44.27 | thomas_adam | frealek: it gets run at each init anyhow |
| 00:44.28 | zinx | Wyzard: commercial OSS has a software mixer, though i don't think it has multi-open |
| 00:44.33 | castra | did anyone setup bwbar on debian woody ? |
| 00:44.35 | thomas_adam | frealek: assuming you reboot, of course :) |
| 00:44.39 | frealek | k ;) |
| 00:44.51 | Wyzard | zinx: How does one make use of it without multi-open? |
| 00:44.56 | cafuego | kzar: enjoy :-) [ignorant bloody fuckwit] <-- sorry, but I had to, rude and stupid & whatnot ;-) |
| 00:44.58 | zinx | Wyzard: 8 dsps ;) |
| 00:45.01 | Wyzard | eww |
| 00:45.30 | songpenguin | cafuego: lol |
| 00:45.46 | tamran | what is the debian package for either of those, I can't find anything relevent under "apt-cache search" |
| 00:45.51 | nixman | I am trying to compile the latest 2.6-rc1 kernel. However i do not see a /boot/System.map (link) file as suggested by the howto i am following.Is that normal ? i am running testing with 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:46.16 | Wyzard | ricII: arp entries don't direct traffic, the routing table does |
| 00:46.17 | mwilson | tamran: Believe it or not, you have to actually type the command. |
| 00:46.36 | mwilson | rei $ apt-cache search esd | wc -l |
| 00:46.36 | mwilson | 30 |
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| 00:46.51 | mwilson | tamran: Or do you actually expect everyone to be that stupid? |
| 00:46.56 | debDork | I just put a nic in box with my new Woody R1 and have fiddled around and worked out how apt works. I want to connect by plugging in network cable to win98SE PC which is already on ADSL. What if any major stmbling blocks might I come against? |
| 00:47.04 | sime | can i remove the default kernel module for my cam, so i can replace etc? |
| 00:47.10 | B-I-N-G-O | shat..i gota go pick my brother from work |
| 00:47.15 | tamran | ummm |
| 00:47.25 | netwrkguy | mwilson the only error it gives is "no devices found" |
| 00:47.26 | songpenguin | sime: come again? |
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| 00:47.34 | songpenguin | sime: plese elaborate |
| 00:47.45 | mwilson | netwrkguy: I don't even have to see the file to know that's wrong. |
| 00:47.53 | mwilson | netwrkguy: You have to actually READ it. |
| 00:47.54 | ricII | if the wishes to find the macadress of the dst host it consultes the arp table not? |
| 00:47.55 | B-I-N-G-O | peace guys |
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| 00:47.59 | sime | songpenguin i have a new module for webcam, i want to install it so i dont have to insmod it every reboot |
| 00:48.07 | ricII | s/the/the kernel |
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| 00:48.25 | cafuego | !cricket cafuego |
| 00:48.39 | Wyzard | ricII: yes, but it only wants to find the MAC address of host2 if it wants to send a packet to host2, and it's the routing table that tells it to do that. |
| 00:48.45 | sebulba02 | that musta hurt |
| 00:48.47 | netwrkguy | mwilson i'm guessing its not detecting my video card. it gives an info: mga matrox chipset not detected |
| 00:48.50 | cafuego | !cricket sebulba02 |
| 00:48.55 | cafuego | hmmm |
| 00:48.56 | songpenguin | sime: sure, you can move the module out of the direcctory. but don't delete it |
| 00:49.01 | Wyzard | ricII: And you don't need a static ARP entry; plain ARP will work just fine |
| 00:49.01 | cafuego | that's not being particualrly random |
| 00:49.03 | sebulba02 | oof |
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| 00:49.28 | sime | songpenguin, where do i put the new module? |
| 00:49.30 | songpenguin | sime: the modules are located somewere in /lib/modules/yourekernelversionhere |
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| 00:50.01 | songpenguin | sime: do you have the EXACT module. a module made for a different kernel can mess the works |
| 00:50.26 | ricII | Wyzard, ofcourse it works, but I wish to keep traffic between host1 & host2 on the more private faster crosscable. |
| 00:50.43 | ricII | and not change any ip adresses |
| 00:50.44 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: modprobe -f |
| 00:50.46 | mwilson | ricII: How did the crossover cable become faster? |
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| 00:51.00 | ricII | mwilson, slow switch |
| 00:51.01 | songpenguin | sime: but in theory you can put in anywere, as long as it is specified in /etc/modules |
| 00:51.12 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: come agin |
| 00:51.15 | Wyzard | ricII: So add a route saying that traffic destined for host2 should be sent through nic2 |
| 00:51.37 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: versions of modules against kernel versions can be overriden (ignored) via modprobe -f moduile |
| 00:51.49 | sime | songpenguin oic, how do i call upon it in /etc/modules... just /path/to/module.o ? |
| 00:51.51 | ricII | Wyzard, but that would change the source ip of the traffic not? |
| 00:51.53 | Wyzard | ricII: You have the right idea, but you're mixing up the ARP table with the routing table |
| 00:52.06 | songpenguin | sime: last time I checkes, yes |
| 00:52.07 | thomas_adam | sime: just the name of the module, no extension |
| 00:52.27 | Wyzard | ricII: Not at all... the routing table determines what interface to use for sending a packet to a given address, nothing more. |
| 00:52.27 | ricII | Wyzard, it's somewhere between proxy arp & bridging |
| 00:52.28 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: thanks! wish I knew that eirlier |
| 00:52.42 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: you're welcome. |
| 00:52.53 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: doesn't always work :) |
| 00:53.22 | Wyzard | ricII: It's neither proxy ARP nor bridging... just routing |
| 00:53.26 | ricII | Wyzard, so I don't assing ips to the 2nd nic just a route |
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| 00:53.45 | debDork | are there any IRC channels for first time debian users who just need to make it go, rather than tweak the kernel etc? |
| 00:53.53 | ToreSB | Is there a USB equivalent of lspci? |
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| 00:54.04 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: unfortunatly. btw: that sounds like a backwards-compatability feature. Am I right to guess that it does'nt work for loadig modules for newer kernels than the one in use? |
| 00:54.10 | sebulba02 | ToreSB: there is usbview |
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| 00:54.12 | Stripes | hey.. I've been trying to compile 2.6.0 and the damn thing just refuses to boot. it gives me this set of messages.. |
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| 00:54.35 | Stripes | vfs: cannot open root device "343" or unknown-block(3,67) |
| 00:54.49 | Stripes | please append correct root= boot option |
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| 00:54.57 | ricII | I'm sure I tried that but maybe I made a little typo or messed to much with routing/arp.. |
| 00:54.59 | songpenguin | Stripes: what are you using as a root fs |
| 00:55.01 | sime | thomas_adam, does kernel load the default ones then /etc/modules loads its own? |
| 00:55.10 | Stripes | kernel panic: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,67) |
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| 00:55.37 | frealek | that works ;) w00t && thx guys |
| 00:55.40 | thomas_adam | sime: /etc/modules is read at init |
| 00:55.46 | sime | ic |
| 00:55.54 | songpenguin | ToreSB: yes |
| 00:55.54 | nixman | can someone tell by which magic ps finds the correct System.map file ? |
| 00:55.56 | Stripes | ex2 |
| 00:55.59 | Wyzard | ricII: You can't send an IP packet to an interface that doesn't have an IP address |
| 00:56.14 | Stripes | er ext2 |
| 00:56.29 | songpenguin | ToreSB: sg_scan |
| 00:56.40 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: yes, kind of backwards compatible. But you're wrong about the versions. It works where the modules were compiled for a kernel version lower than the current $(uname -r) in use. |
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| 00:57.06 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: thats what I thought |
| 00:57.11 | Wyzard | ricII: On each host, you want to have the same IP address on both interfaces, and route packets between them over the private interface |
| 00:57.14 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: ;) |
| 00:57.24 | songpenguin | ToreSB: it needs the sg3-utils package |
| 00:57.56 | songpenguin | ToreSB: and it's realy for SCSI interfaces but it shows my USB devs fine |
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| 00:57.59 | debDork | Wyzard: how does the transparent bridge run when openBSD is deployed as a firewall re IPs? |
| 00:57.59 | sebulba02 | uh, he left.. |
| 00:58.03 | Wyzard | ricII: It'd save you a lot of trouble to just get a better switch though... it could be something as simple as a 4-port switch which connects host1, host2, and the existing slow switch |
| 00:58.40 | debDork | ie 2 nic cards |
| 00:58.49 | ricII | Wyzard, well the switch is owned by my isp, and it's less secure |
| 00:59.01 | trasher | anyone more than me that having troubles with totem scaling videos to 2xsize with "automaticly resize the windows on load"? |
| 00:59.17 | Knight_Lord | How can i create an mpeg animation from a series of gif images? |
| 00:59.20 | Wyzard | debDork: I don't have much experience with OpenBSD, but in general, bridging works by copying ethernet frames unaltered from one segment to another |
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| 00:59.47 | sime | thomas_adam, is okay that the path in /etc/modules is in a home dir? |
| 00:59.51 | cafuego | !cricket debDork |
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| 01:00.03 | thomas_adam | sime: a home dir???? |
| 01:00.07 | thomas_adam | sime: umm, yeah |
| 01:00.08 | cafuego | okay, it is randomising |
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| 01:00.23 | thomas_adam | sime: $HOME should be in /home/$USER, normally |
| 01:00.37 | debDork | cafuego: do you play cricket? |
| 01:00.39 | sime | its /home/sime/whatever.o |
| 01:00.49 | frealek | hmmm what are the usual devices for alsa ? |
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| 01:00.49 | Wyzard | ricII: Unless you're concerned about someone actively attacking your switch, just get a 4-port switch and connect it to your two hosts and your ISP's switch. That'll provide you with the same speed as your private crossover cable, without needing any configuration changes at all. |
| 01:00.56 | exobyte | I set up ppp stuff and a connection. I'm using a serial us robotics modem. When I try to connect, I hear the modem start, I get an error about being unable to connect, but the modem keeps dialing and tries to connect. Any ideas on why it fails? |
| 01:01.15 | Wyzard | ricII: And if it's a switch (not a hub), the traffic between your two hosts won't be transmitted to the ISP's switch. |
| 01:01.26 | cafuego | debDork: if openbsd does it the same as Linux, you add 2 (or more) physical nics to a single virtual bridge device and then assign the bridge device an IP. The driver then copies packets to all nics. |
| 01:01.36 | cafuego | debDork: nah, just watch it on tv now and then. |
| 01:02.18 | thomas_adam | sime: no, add it to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/some_location |
| 01:02.18 | cafuego | exobyte: no dialtone, wrong number... |
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| 01:02.45 | ricII | Wyzard, a switch is easy decraded to a hub.. and yes a uptodate debian server got hacked 31dec so I'm paranoid. |
| 01:02.53 | exobyte | cafuego: it give the error before dialing ends. Not sure on the dialtone |
| 01:03.00 | mwilson | ricII: Really. |
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| 01:03.12 | mwilson | ricII: Who says? |
| 01:03.17 | cafuego | exobyte: Wrong protocol maybe, X2/whatever the other one is.. |
| 01:03.23 | Wyzard | mwilson: He's probably referring to a box of his own |
| 01:03.25 | wiak | what do i need to complie/build a program? :) |
| 01:03.31 | Whistleboy | Is there a deb for acroread? |
| 01:03.40 | cafuego | wiak: a compiler, headers, source. |
| 01:03.42 | Kraig | wiak: apt or dpkg |
| 01:03.43 | ricII | mwilson, yes, me. mostly openssl used by telnetd-ssl |
| 01:03.44 | cafuego | Whistleboy: yes |
| 01:03.48 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: There's an unofficial one... hang on, I'll get you the source line |
| 01:03.48 | exobyte | cafuego: modem protocol, right? |
| 01:04.02 | cafuego | exobyte: yeah |
| 01:04.02 | wiak | Kraig: fasterst ? what packages i need? |
| 01:04.15 | frealek | what's the equivalent for /dev/dsp with alsa ? |
| 01:04.20 | Kraig | exobyte: dhcp? |
| 01:04.21 | Whistleboy | I've tried theone at marillat.fr |
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| 01:04.29 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: That's the one I used |
| 01:04.31 | cafuego | frealek: modprobe snd-pcm-oss; use /dev/dsp |
| 01:04.33 | ricII | mwilson, I have 5g forencis data... |
| 01:04.33 | skermajo | when X tries to load glx i get "Fatal Server error: Caught Signal 11. Server Aborting". any ideas why? i'm using the closed source nvidia driver. ?? |
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| 01:04.38 | Kraig | wiak: what packages for what? |
| 01:04.41 | debDork | Wyzard: I have a friend using this approach as an elcheapo firewall that works well and he feels one of the plusses is its transparency to the net. Now I am going to study this shortly because if its as it is described, I will also use it |
| 01:04.44 | frealek | cafuego k thx |
| 01:04.45 | exobyte | Kraig: this is before I've finished dialing |
| 01:04.49 | cafuego | skermajo: bad driver? |
| 01:04.52 | exobyte | cafuego: where do I change it? |
| 01:04.54 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: Hmm, it gives me problems. |
| 01:05.01 | wiak | for build and complie ! |
| 01:05.01 | Kraig | exobyte: ifconfig is ok? |
| 01:05.04 | cafuego | exobyte: init string probably... |
| 01:05.10 | Wyzard | debDork: I'm probably not the best person to ask... I've never done any bridging |
| 01:05.11 | Kraig | wiak: apt or dpkg! |
| 01:05.20 | wiak | apt? |
| 01:05.31 | frealek | cafuego is it still possible to compile & manually add a kernel module like with 2.4 ? |
| 01:05.33 | Kraig | wiak: apt-get install <asdfasdf? |
| 01:05.36 | Kraig | > |
| 01:05.37 | skermajo | cafeugo: that was my suspicion, just thought i'd see if it was a common prob b4 i rebuilt it :) looks like i might have to |
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| 01:05.47 | cafuego | debDork: I prefere to not bridge a box like that so i can have separate IPs and iptables rules on both nics. |
| 01:06.01 | exobyte | Kraig: no. it's hasn't even gotten a chance to conenct yet |
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| 01:06.10 | Wyzard | ricII: To attack your switch, the attacker would need to be using one of the other machines on the ISP's network. |
| 01:06.18 | snoke | how i get list of files in not installed *.deb, like dpkg -L get form installed package ? |
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| 01:06.21 | exobyte | cafuego: well- off to look up init strings |
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| 01:06.26 | cafuego | frealek: Hmmm... not for oss emulation... you'll need to rebuild all sound modules. |
| 01:06.29 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: says it is replaced by acroread-debian-files, but that says it depends on acroread |
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| 01:06.41 | wiak | Kraig: but what packages do i need to complie and build programs from source? |
| 01:06.43 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: and acroread is not installable |
| 01:06.45 | cafuego | exobyte: it's just a wild guess.. I may be (and probably am) wrong. |
| 01:06.55 | cafuego | Whistleboy: it's in non-free |
| 01:06.58 | frealek | cafuego ok but I don't need a full rebuild & reboot I guess then |
| 01:06.59 | cafuego | Whistleboy: xpdf is free. |
| 01:07.05 | cafuego | frealek: nah |
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| 01:07.09 | Kraig | wiak: i don't really understand what you wanna do |
| 01:07.10 | frealek | great |
| 01:07.13 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: hmm... I commented out the source since it was down at some point, but I'll uncomment it and try an upgrade |
| 01:07.20 | wiak | eh |
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| 01:07.37 | wiak | ./configure |
| 01:07.51 | Whistleboy | cafuego: I know, about xpdf, but have a pdf that it isn't reading very well. |
| 01:08.13 | wiak | C compiler and do i need more? |
| 01:08.21 | exobyte | cafuego: would I be better off with an internal modem? |
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| 01:08.41 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: Indeed, it looks like acroread doesn't exist on that source anymore |
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| 01:09.00 | Knight_Lord | How can i create an mpeg animation from a series of gif images? |
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| 01:09.12 | Kraig | wiak: get your self a read on man |
| 01:09.22 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: ok, I'll look around for more. |
| 01:09.23 | frealek | make dep unnecessary ?? how the hell does 2.6 check for dependencies ? |
| 01:09.28 | IVS | wiak: btw, don't compile packages that are available as .debs, it's hassle |
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| 01:09.36 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: http://www.apt-get.org/ might be helpful |
| 01:09.38 | delire | on that note, anyone know a tool to extract frames from an avi? |
| 01:09.41 | wiak | ek |
| 01:09.49 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: thanks, I forgot all about that! |
| 01:09.56 | delire | and write then as jpegs, for instance.. |
| 01:10.02 | wiak | IVS: is only souce not .deb :( |
| 01:10.05 | exobyte | delire: virtualdub, but it's for windoze |
| 01:10.11 | Wyzard | delire: If you have Windows available, I recommend VirtualDub -- yes, it's a Windows app, but it's GPL |
| 01:10.16 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: of course, geuess which one it lists first for acroread! |
| 01:10.16 | debDork | cafuego: I have relied on other peoples stuff thus far and we just put in 15 linux workstations using Red Hat 9, which was easier to do than a windows install. Our windows NT network is still fully operational. |
| 01:10.19 | exobyte | delire: well- .avi is for windoze, for that matter |
| 01:10.20 | frealek | delire try mplayer |
| 01:10.20 | wiak | IVS: http://www.ircd-ratbox.org/ |
| 01:10.22 | wiak | see? ;) |
| 01:10.38 | delire | exobyte: Wyzard: i don't have ot want to have access to a win32 machine.. but thx |
| 01:10.43 | exobyte | Wyzard: i almost forgot, it is gpl-ed |
| 01:10.46 | frealek | delire you can do pretty precise stuff with mplayer (www.mplayerhq.hu) |
| 01:10.49 | exobyte | delire: wine |
| 01:11.00 | delire | frealek: great.. i have mplayer.. interesting. |
| 01:11.06 | delire | exobyte: yeah this is an option.. |
| 01:11.11 | delire | exobyte: thx |
| 01:11.12 | Justin_ | !tell delire about mplayer |
| 01:11.17 | exobyte | delire: goot luck |
| 01:11.18 | Justin_ | delire: get avidemux from there |
| 01:11.19 | IVS | wiak: i'm not gonna recheck you, i'm sure that you've looked into it if you says so |
| 01:11.36 | frealek | delire try with the -vo png output device, and specify to play 1 frame at frame number N... dig into options :) |
| 01:11.41 | delire | Justin_: thanks.. i haven't looked at all the transcode stuff |
| 01:11.57 | delire | frealek: fab.. good new |
| 01:12.01 | delire | news.. |
| 01:12.04 | wiak | O_O |
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| 01:12.27 | none1 | hi |
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| 01:12.57 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: looks like the other site is broken too |
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| 01:13.28 | Karsh | hi party people! |
| 01:13.37 | Wyzard | Whistleboy: http://schala.dyndns.org/~mike/acroread_5.08-woody0.0_i386.deb -- from my system via dpkg-repack :-) |
| 01:13.38 | frealek | hi |
| 01:13.49 | wiak | IVS: pm? :) |
| 01:13.54 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: never mind, I had the source file sources.list line |
| 01:14.09 | Whistleboy | Wyzard: thanks for your help |
| 01:14.13 | Wyzard | np |
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| 01:15.24 | Toothpick | Will the latest daily build iso configure network via dhcp? Or is it only manual? |
| 01:15.25 | bob2 | maildir performance is worse. |
| 01:15.37 | bob2 | Toothpick: huh? Debian has done DHCP at least since potato. |
| 01:15.58 | hackeron | can anyone answer the question on : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131220 |
| 01:16.08 | Toothpick | bob2...ok I was having some problems with the sarge cd I d/l about 6 days ago... |
| 01:16.18 | Toothpick | perhasp I should have just checked md5 sum. |
| 01:16.28 | Toothpick | I'll burn this and give it a shot in a few minuts. |
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| 01:16.48 | bob2 | Toothpick: oh, you're a tester? oops :) try asking in #debian-boot, they'll know,. |
| 01:16.52 | exobyte | would an internal or external modem be easier to set up? |
| 01:16.52 | mechan0r | any guitar tooning softwhere? |
| 01:17.05 | nixman | anyone used usb mouse with 2.6 kernel ? |
| 01:17.16 | Toothpick | ok bob2 thanks. |
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| 01:17.45 | bob2 | exobyte: external. |
| 01:17.49 | bob2 | nixman: yes. |
| 01:17.57 | bob2 | exobyte: since you then have blinkenlights. |
| 01:17.58 | Kraig | why external bob2? |
| 01:17.59 | Eno_ | is there another mp3 player as good as xmms? lately its flakey for me (i'm using rhytmbox, but thats flakey too) |
| 01:18.19 | songpenguin | mechn0r: try freshmeat.net |
| 01:18.25 | nixman | 2.6.1-rc1 i should say |
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| 01:18.45 | exobyte | bob2: well- now I need to get my old-school external 33.6 workign |
| 01:18.45 | herbi | hi guys |
| 01:18.46 | songpenguin | mechn0r: other than that, I don't know |
| 01:18.50 | herbi | i have a REALLY weird problem. |
| 01:19.06 | herbi | today i was browsing through my files |
| 01:19.12 | bob2 | Eno_: it had a bunch of crashy bugs fixed differently, the one in sid has been MUCH more stable for me. |
| 01:19.22 | herbi | and i went into / and did an ls and i found a binary file called "root-n" |
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| 01:19.22 | bob2 | nixman: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 01:19.27 | bob2 | nixman: read dave's site. |
| 01:19.32 | DelEat | :) |
| 01:19.33 | exobyte | how can I query an external modem for some information about it? |
| 01:19.33 | herbi | this freaked me out hard, so i jumped on google and did a search |
| 01:19.44 | herbi | and i found one other guy on the debian lists who had the same problem, but never solved it |
| 01:19.46 | Eno_ | bob2: hehe, i am running sid :) i don't remember being unstable before, but recently.. |
| 01:19.53 | Justin_ | herbi: strings /root-n|less |
| 01:20.04 | nixman | bob2: care to give url ? again i am joggling with only keyboard |
| 01:20.06 | songpenguin | herbi: first start by making it unexecutable |
| 01:20.13 | herbi | Justin_, it looks empty. |
| 01:20.19 | Wyzard | exobyte: I always preferred external modems... never have to worry about whether they're using some odd set of resources other than a standard serial port |
| 01:20.24 | herbi | done. |
| 01:20.25 | cafuego | herbi: file /root-n |
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| 01:20.33 | DelEat | Wyzard: I agree... |
| 01:20.33 | bob2 | Eno_: heh, I'm a week out of date, maybe it's got crap again? |
| 01:20.37 | bob2 | !+2.6 |
| 01:20.37 | herbi | cafuego, thats what i figured id do. "file empty" |
| 01:20.38 | dpkg | well, 2.6 is 2.6.0 is there. Read Documentation/Changes. Don't whine if your system breaks. Read http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, or and read http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html | IGNORE the FUD .. it IS the stable kernel!, or /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:20.40 | delire | frealek: that worked.. thanks. a huge help |
| 01:20.43 | bob2 | nixman: ^ |
| 01:20.48 | DelEat | Wyzard: but my time with modems are over - LAN connection now... |
| 01:20.53 | herbi | cafuego, i figured id find the exact file creation date then hit /var/log to find out what was going on around then |
| 01:21.06 | bancus | nixman, there's a driver in the input section you need to enable to get mouse support now |
| 01:21.07 | Wyzard | DelEat: exobyte seems to need to use one |
| 01:21.16 | herbi | Justin_, its empty :/ |
| 01:21.23 | Justin_ | herbi: then its not a "binary file" now is it? |
| 01:21.24 | Eno_ | bob2: meh.. i even tried building it myself, no luck (the main problem is that it keeps playing the song when i close it), and i think sometimes it uses lots of cpu % |
| 01:21.25 | cafuego | herbi: Just a redirection gone wrong in a shell script, most likely. |
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| 01:21.30 | herbi | songpenguin, ok done. |
| 01:21.36 | Wyzard | DelEat: And modems are still occasionally useful... this past week I used one to get online from a condo while on vacation |
| 01:21.44 | fgh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.46 | fgh | one question |
| 01:21.47 | songpenguin | herbi: now at least it cant hurt you |
| 01:21.50 | herbi | cafuego, i dont want it to keep coming back like this other guy had though :/ |
| 01:21.56 | Justin_ | songpenguin: swing and a miss |
| 01:21.56 | DelEat | Wyzard: good point... still have my old 33.6kbps |
| 01:22.01 | songpenguin | herbi: are you sure it's not just a script? |
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| 01:22.04 | bob2 | Eno_: oh, ouchy. have you tried filing a bug? the Debian maintainer is also the authro of it, I bet he'd love to fix it. |
| 01:22.17 | songpenguin | Justin_: so it can't accidently be exicuted |
| 01:22.20 | herbi | songpenguin, dude as far as i know its an empty file thats a placeholder for some evil script |
| 01:22.26 | Eno_ | bob2: aah, hmm.. |
| 01:22.28 | fgh | i've installed in a computer sid ... now on console1 i have no "öäüß" on the other konsole work the "öäüß" what can i do? |
| 01:22.31 | fgh | sid |
| 01:22.31 | herbi | songpenguin, but RIGHT now, at the moment, its empty. |
| 01:22.38 | songpenguin | herbi: emacs or vim it |
| 01:22.45 | Justin_ | songpenguin: as I said, swing and a miss |
| 01:22.47 | nixman | bancus: any url ? |
| 01:22.47 | songpenguin | herbi: I wonder why |
| 01:22.55 | herbi | empty. |
| 01:23.00 | bancus | nixman: lemme see if I can find the guid |
| 01:23.01 | Wyzard | DelEat: I was doing it long-distance too, over a carrier that has a maximum charge of $1 per call |
| 01:23.06 | honda | i asume everyone here has heard of alcohol 120% for making real cd copies... is there any free software that does the same thing? |
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| 01:23.23 | bob2 | fgh: this is an english channel. |
| 01:23.26 | herbi | songpenguin, i googled for more instances of it thinking it mightve been something apt installed |
| 01:23.28 | cafuego | honda: cdrdao |
| 01:23.30 | herbi | songpenguin, and i got this: |
| 01:23.33 | bob2 | honda: I've never heard of it. |
| 01:23.45 | Eno_ | bob2: too bad its kind of hard to reproduce, pretty random |
| 01:23.48 | herbi | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg06210.html |
| 01:23.50 | DelEat | Wyzard: hehe... well, works in the US, but I'm in Europe - if I go somewhere, it's usually international, and then long-distance calls are too expensive, and netcafés are suddenly "cheap" |
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| 01:23.54 | mwilson | honda: No, actually quite a few of us aren't into warez, so no, we wouldn't have heard of it. |
| 01:23.56 | herbi | songpenguin, but that guy never solved the problem |
| 01:24.02 | ToreSB | Anyone here have a webcam and gnome-meeting? |
| 01:24.04 | Eno_ | bob2: well just happened now :)> |
| 01:24.15 | bancus | nixman: dave holmes site is down, otherwise I could send you there |
| 01:24.18 | Eno_ | bob2: 100% cpu usage |
| 01:24.24 | debDork | cafuego: what is the linux equiv to "cloneCD"? |
| 01:24.27 | songpenguin | herbi: why don't you back it up and delete it. see it it coes up again |
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| 01:24.33 | cafuego | debDork: cdrdao |
| 01:24.38 | nixman | bancus: too bad |
| 01:24.39 | herbi | songpenguin, sure. |
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| 01:24.51 | bancus | debDork, man dd |
| 01:24.56 | cafuego | debDork: 'cdrdao copy' if you got /dev/cdrecord pointing at the right file. |
| 01:24.56 | nixman | bancus: do i need to recompile ? |
| 01:25.13 | Justin_ | songpenguin: stop. saying. random. crap. |
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| 01:25.14 | bob2 | Eno_: I'd guess it's a gsteramer bug, have you looked in the bnts? |
| 01:25.14 | bancus | nixman, pretty sure you do, although you might be able to just compile it as a module |
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| 01:25.37 | Eno_ | bob2: i don't know what that is |
| 01:25.40 | bancus | what's he having a proble with? |
| 01:25.42 | bancus | rhythmbox? |
| 01:25.58 | Eno_ | xmms |
| 01:25.59 | bancus | oh |
| 01:25.59 | bancus | xmms doesn't use gst does it? |
| 01:26.00 | cafuego | Eno_: he means 'bts' - bugs.debian.org |
| 01:26.03 | songpenguin | Justin_: I already have. It's not randon. I'm trying to find out if it's a file used by a program |
| 01:26.04 | Eno_ | ah |
| 01:26.04 | Wyzard | DelEat: Actually, since I'm pretty sure this long-distance carrier uses the Internet to carry calls (the company is "USA DataNet"), I was probably doing IP-over-analog-over-IP |
| 01:26.11 | bob2 | bancus: xmms has it's own backend. |
| 01:26.18 | bancus | yeah |
| 01:26.22 | Eno_ | bancus: rb has plenty of crashes though :) |
| 01:26.25 | bancus | so why the gstreamer bug mention? |
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| 01:26.35 | Justin_ | songpenguin: everything you have said so far shows that you haven't bothered to pay one bit of attention to anything he has said |
| 01:26.37 | bancus | Eno_, not that I've noticed |
| 01:26.41 | bancus | it used to |
| 01:26.46 | DelEat | Wyzard: most likely... but I'm going to france the next time, and technology + france = bad idea (sorry if I'm stepping on toes here) |
| 01:26.47 | joseph | where are all my usb devices? |
| 01:26.50 | bancus | but it's been pretty stable for a while now |
| 01:26.54 | Eno_ | bancus: hmm .. you use the dev version? |
| 01:26.55 | bancus | joseph, on your desk? |
| 01:26.58 | DelEat | joseph: /dev/usb ? |
| 01:26.58 | ToreSB | I need to test it |
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| 01:27.09 | bob2 | bancus: he's using RB. |
| 01:27.10 | honda | bob2, mwilson sorry... what would you guys recommend for cd burrning and dvd burning |
| 01:27.12 | bancus | Eno_, not since 0.6.0 hit deb |
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| 01:27.17 | herbi | Justin_, i dont know what to do. im fairly sure its not a hack attack, nobody would be stupid enough to leave that file behind. |
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| 01:27.21 | bancus | bob2, he just said that he's using xmms |
| 01:27.25 | debDork | cafuego: the new cloneCD has had success at cloning microsoft difficult to copy games, does cdrdao care what it is copying? |
| 01:27.30 | snoke | is there way to get build dependensien from apt ? |
| 01:27.33 | joseph | there are some under /dev/usb but when i try to use them i get a no device found. |
| 01:27.37 | Wyzard | DelEat: I've heard that they restrict use of crypto, but that's all I know. (Is it illegal to use SSH in France?) |
| 01:27.37 | dondelelcaro | snoke: apt-get build-dep |
| 01:27.38 | bob2 | bancus: yeah, but we were talking about RB. |
| 01:27.39 | dondelelcaro | snoke: man apt-get |
| 01:27.48 | Eno_ | noo |
| 01:27.48 | bancus | bob2, what's the problem? |
| 01:27.51 | bob2 | snoke: apt-cache showrc <foo> |
| 01:27.51 | herbi | Justin_, any ideas or thoughts at all? |
| 01:27.54 | bob2 | bancus: crashiness. |
| 01:27.54 | snoke | dondelelcaro: no, i mean list of tem |
| 01:27.55 | Justin_ | Eno_: its pretty obvious that it's likely a typo in some script |
| 01:28.04 | Eno_ | the cpu usage and other problem was xmms |
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| 01:28.17 | DelEat | Wyzard: no, don't think it's illegal anywhere in europe... only restriction is export of crypto from US - that I'm aware of.. |
| 01:28.18 | bancus | I know there's been a problem lately with RB and FLAC, so I thought maybe you were talking about that. |
| 01:28.20 | frealek | Wyzard encryption is limited to 128bits |
| 01:28.20 | mwilson | Why do people think #debian exists to help them be better pirates? |
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| 01:28.30 | songpenguin | herbi: are you the only one who uses the computer? |
| 01:28.34 | DelEat | frealek: seriously? why? |
| 01:28.35 | herbi | songpenguin, yes. |
| 01:28.40 | Wyzard | frealek: ah, ok |
| 01:28.41 | joseph | i have a usb mouse plugged in but it cant be found |
| 01:28.43 | honda | i don't |
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| 01:28.49 | frealek | Wyzard and it seems that it's illegal to use ssh with strong encryption (default) |
| 01:28.50 | herbi | songpenguin, im sitting behind a hardened netbsd router |
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| 01:28.52 | joseph | so i loaded usbmgr and usb view |
| 01:29.09 | mwilson | People still use usbmgr? |
| 01:29.10 | Eno_ | bob2: bancus: i'll stick with rb i guess. its more stable then xmms anyway |
| 01:29.13 | songpenguin | herbi: and netbsd is one hell of a system |
| 01:29.15 | joseph | there are no devices listed /proc/bus/usb |
| 01:29.16 | honda | i think it exist to help people out.. and i need help finding burning programs to use under linux |
| 01:29.17 | frealek | DelEat ... I don't understand either... perhaps they think that will prevent "bad guys" from using strong encryption mechs |
| 01:29.23 | DelEat | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/debian-devel-199901/msg01333.html |
| 01:29.30 | DelEat | frealek: Wyzard: ^^^^^ |
| 01:29.30 | frealek | honda xcdroast is nice |
| 01:29.30 | herbi | songpenguin, i know. thats why im fairly sure it wasnt a hack attack |
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| 01:29.34 | mwilson | honda: You mean you need help to be a better pirate. |
| 01:29.37 | cafuego | Dammit, you bastard! |
| 01:29.56 | songpenguin | herbi: netbsd might have missed something that was not attacking it tho |
| 01:29.59 | honda | mwilson: no i just need to back up alot of personal data |
| 01:30.02 | Justin_ | songpenguin: stop. saying. random. crap. |
| 01:30.21 | debDork | cafuego: correction: not "copy" rather "backup" |
| 01:30.23 | mwilson | honda: Of course you do. |
| 01:30.26 | Spencer | mwilson: Did you get all of the ISO images? :) |
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| 01:30.34 | Wyzard | honda: For that, cdrecord should be all you need |
| 01:30.45 | cafuego | debDork: cdrdao copy -keepimage |
| 01:31.04 | songpenguin | herbi: I don't think you should rule out a net attack |
| 01:31.05 | honda | but i need dvd capabilities also |
| 01:31.11 | mwilson | Spencer: What ISO's? Oh! The netinst images? I stopped at six. I figured that was enough proof that jackass was a moron. |
| 01:31.49 | mwilson | ~netinst |
| 01:31.55 | | i guess netinst is a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
| 01:31.55 | Wyzard | honda: There's no Linux software that does weak-sector amplification and twin-sector scanning like Alcohol does... those are specific workarounds for copy-protection mechanisms |
| 01:31.55 | songpenguin | herbi: is this a software router or a portfilter |
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| 01:32.10 | chris` | hrmm |
| 01:32.11 | Wyzard | honda: But cdrdao is good for things like (for example) duplicating an audio CD |
| 01:32.15 | mwilson | I changed the factoid to that. Not that it'll matter. |
| 01:32.18 | chris` | I seem to be missing an amusing night |
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| 01:32.26 | Spider210 | If I am currently using cPanel and Apache, when I create an account through WHM it creates the user and public_html in /home directory. They login to the ftp and upload their files but, when they go to their site all they see is "Welcome to Your New Home in Cyberspace!" the default apache page. What do I have to do to make all my clients to be able to see their own stuff at their domain? |
| 01:32.34 | chris` | wait, s/amusing/mind-damaging/ |
| 01:32.45 | songpenguin | Justin_: btw. if you think I'm wrong and am spouting random "crap" then prehaps you would be able to help this guy! |
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| 01:32.50 | Spencer | Are you guys looking for a CD writer? |
| 01:33.01 | frealek | Spider210 use apache virtual hosts ? |
| 01:33.08 | songpenguin | Justin_: better than me |
| 01:33.10 | Spider210 | How ? |
| 01:33.11 | CSMan | hey guys, how could i restart the mouse without restarting the machine? |
| 01:33.17 | Spider210 | I am new to this stuff |
| 01:33.19 | Justin_ | songpenguin: two people already told him the same thing. |
| 01:33.23 | thomas_adam | Spider210: chmod -Rv 755 ~/public_html |
| 01:33.23 | frealek | Spider210 check /etc/apache/httpd.conf at the bottom |
| 01:33.24 | wasabi | "restart the mouse" |
| 01:33.29 | wasabi | what's that mean? |
| 01:33.33 | Justin_ | songpenguin: i have no idea why you continue to babble |
| 01:33.34 | Wyzard | Spider210: I believe there's a section in the apache docs titled "dynamically-configured mass virtual hosting" |
| 01:33.40 | mwilson | Spencer: No, he's looking for a piracy tool equivalent to Alcohol 120% but for Linux rather than Windows. |
| 01:33.44 | honda | Wyzard: well if i do a sector by sector cd copy it would do the same thing that alcohol does wouldn't it? |
| 01:33.48 | snoke | dondelelcaro: i mean can apt get "Build-Depends:" line what is in debian/control when package is build |
| 01:33.59 | Wyzard | honda: In the absence of copy-protection mechanisms, yes. |
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| 01:34.06 | herbi | Justin_, any thoughts? dont think its anything to be worried about? |
| 01:34.12 | songpenguin | Justin_: if you havent noticed there is alot of traffic on this channel and I missed it |
| 01:34.14 | delire | i thought alcohol was better for burglaries, but nevermind. |
| 01:34.22 | Justin_ | herbi: I already told you what I thought |
| 01:34.37 | honda | Wyzard: what copy-protection mechanisms other than missing sectors? i thougth that was the only thing they really did |
| 01:34.40 | herbi | Justin_, just that its not a binary file :/ or did i miss something? |
| 01:34.45 | debDork | Wyzard: from what I see the games folks dont like users to back up their CDs in case kids damage originals and they do sneaky stuff |
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| 01:34.56 | Spider210 | frealek: What do I check for at the bottem? |
| 01:34.57 | frealek | Spider210 yeah you definitely need what Wyzard said |
| 01:35.01 | Justin_ | herbi: its likely a typo i some script, ignore it |
| 01:35.12 | Spider210 | Would you have a link to the docs? |
| 01:35.45 | frealek | Spider210 it's like at the bottom of the file /etc/apache/httpd.conf the virtualhosts section, but to do it massively there seem to be a doc on that, as Wyzard said |
| 01:35.46 | js__ | what is "bootsplash"? |
| 01:35.51 | honda | debDork: yeah game cds seam to be near close to impossible to back up.. but its dumb because i have the legal right to make a backup copy |
| 01:35.55 | frealek | js__ a splashscreen ? |
| 01:35.57 | songpenguin | Justin_: or it can be an error in a script used to do damage to the system |
| 01:36.01 | LonelyOne | Spider210: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
| 01:36.05 | js__ | hm |
| 01:36.09 | Wyzard | honda: Well, one copy-protection mechanism involves sectors which are physically difficult for a CD burner to write -- they create a high DC component in the writing signal (it should be an AC signal, with a near-zero DC component) which causes the laser to write an unreadable sector |
| 01:36.10 | mwilson | honda: Ah, if that were only what you were making copies for... |
| 01:36.23 | honda | mwilson: ;) |
| 01:36.32 | bancus | bootsplash is a program that does graphical booting |
| 01:36.34 | LonelyOne | Spider210: like http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/mass.html |
| 01:36.37 | mwilson | honda: Why do you bother to lie about it? |
| 01:36.38 | Spider210 | Do I have to always add a vitural host everytime someone adds a site? |
| 01:36.42 | bancus | used by Suse and fedora, iirc |
| 01:36.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: Are you by any chance awake? |
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| 01:36.55 | songpenguin | herbi: check root's history and see if there are any scripts that you used right before the file showed up |
| 01:36.58 | nixman | bancus: i see there is usbmouse in the modules section .. is that it ? |
| 01:37.01 | LonelyOne | Spider210: look at the mass vhost section! |
| 01:37.07 | frealek | Spider210 no if you use the "dynamic virtual hosting" stuff :) |
| 01:37.14 | bancus | nixman, if your mouse is usb |
| 01:37.14 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: !cmd |
| 01:37.20 | Wyzard | honda: Another method involves putting "twin" sectors on the CD -- multiple copies of the same sector number, indistinguishable when reading data but they alter seek times in that region, so the game can measure the seek time |
| 01:37.28 | songpenguin | !cmd |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | from memory, cmd is the ultimate Microsoft IIS remote administration tool. |
| 01:37.29 | nixman | bancus: yes it is |
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| 01:37.54 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: no no, "!cmd" will match the closest command to "cmd" last run, and run it for you under Bash |
| 01:37.59 | Spider210 | If I am using cPanel and WHM shouldn't that do this everytime an account is created? |
| 01:38.14 | bancus | then I imagine it'd be useful =P |
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| 01:38.17 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: oops |
| 01:38.32 | honda | Wyzard: those bastards... so there is nothing i can do to make a duplicate with linux/free software if a cd is under this sort of protection? |
| 01:38.33 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: It'll be useful in grepping 'history' |
| 01:38.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes |
| 01:38.53 | netwrkguy | still getting "no screens found " error, I've tried quite a few things and not getting anywhere. the log detects unknown chipset but the mga driver should work with my matrox mga g200 card. the only error it gives is "no devices found" |
| 01:39.05 | Wyzard | Spider210: Go to google, type "dynamically-configured mass virtual hosting" (including the quotes) and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky" |
| 01:39.08 | thomas_adam | netwrkguy: try the vesa driver |
| 01:39.15 | Justin_ | !tell netwrkguy about X problem |
| 01:39.19 | frealek | netwrkguy trying to get your matrox working with 2.6 ? |
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| 01:39.23 | Wyzard | Spider210: That'll tell you exactly what you need |
| 01:39.32 | tix64 | honda: you could boycot such vendors. |
| 01:39.34 | Spider210 | Ok looking at it |
| 01:39.39 | netwrkguy | yes |
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| 01:39.45 | netwrkguy | i'll try the vesa again too |
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| 01:39.51 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: that's kinda cool, a little bit dangorous under root- but cool nonetheless |
| 01:40.07 | mwilson | tix64: But how would he distribute their CD's, then? |
| 01:40.07 | debDork | Wyzard: not that I have any intention of buying an expensive comercial burn because I am a cheapskate and do not have a need, but are the mega buck burners capable of duplication of such cds? |
| 01:40.11 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: :) no worse that making a typo error as root |
| 01:40.15 | bob2 | netwrkguy: disable use of the frame_buffer, continue using mga or whatever |
| 01:40.26 | thomas_adam | mwilson: fly them as frizbies to people |
| 01:40.28 | Sub_Liminal | i'm having problems with ipmasq on a newly compiled kern, i have iptables enabled, and nat enabled as a module, when I run ipmasq it says can't initialize iptables table 'nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) but there is no module for nat |
| 01:40.33 | netwrkguy | bob2 i tried that |
| 01:40.38 | netwrkguy | bob2 same error |
| 01:40.40 | Wyzard | honda: Those protection mechanisms require specific workarounds (sector patching for weak sectors, scanning for twin sectors) and AFAIK nobody's implemented such workarounds in any open-source burning software because people using open-source software generally don't have much need for them |
| 01:40.49 | honda | tix64: this is true, none of my money will go to such vendors... is there a place i can go online to see who makes such cds? |
| 01:40.51 | Sub_Liminal | using kern 2.4.23 |
| 01:40.53 | thomas_adam | netwrkguy: try VESA |
| 01:41.08 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: unless you do something like !mv and it rm's something important |
| 01:41.15 | honda | Wyzard: thats a very good point |
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| 01:41.18 | thomas_adam | netwrkguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:41.52 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: true, but if it rm'ed something the first time around, the command will fail, since the file it rn'ed most likely won't exist. |
| 01:42.04 | Sub_Liminal | ooh I see, iptable_nat says unresolved symbol nf_unregister_hook |
| 01:42.11 | Wyzard | debDork: A CD presser can create discs with weak sectors (since they take advantage of the electrical limitations of a burner), and anything can copy twin sectors but you have to find them first |
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| 01:42.25 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: unless you rm'd a file and movwed the new one into it's place |
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| 01:42.31 | frealek | thomas_adam unless it's rm * or something like that :)= and you changed directory |
| 01:42.35 | honda | Wyzard: ok and then dvds, am i not leagly allowed to duplicate dvds i own? and are there copywrite protection scemes like there are in cds like there are with dvds? |
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| 01:42.42 | thomas_adam | yeah yeah |
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| 01:43.06 | Sub_Liminal | you guys think not doing make dep would cause this? |
| 01:43.07 | Hermann | I have a courier-imap up and running, but to be able to make it work properly with mozilla mail I have to manually set IMAP Server Directory to 'INBOX.' in mozilla or else it won't work. is there any way to get around that manual config? |
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| 01:43.29 | bob2 | honda: dvd's are encrypted. with an extremely simple cipher, that as broken long ago. however, if you're in a country with a DMCA-like law (ie, US, EU, AU) then breaking that simple protection is a CRIMINAL offence. |
| 01:43.31 | Wyzard | honda: AFAIK, there are two levels of protection on a typical movie DVD... the first makes unreadable the sectors which contain the video until an authentication process is performed, and the second encrypts the video files themselves. |
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| 01:43.41 | Fulcrum99 | What would be a good small lightweight web server for a single machine serving docs and some basic CGI? |
| 01:43.53 | bob2 | honda: not a "stop doing that or we'll suee thing", a "you did that? say hi to bubba" way. |
| 01:43.56 | frealek | bob2 : EU = which country ?? |
| 01:43.56 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: thhtpd. |
| 01:43.57 | debDork | Wyzard: then games crackers must have plenty of time available which I do not |
| 01:44.02 | Wyzard | honda: Technically speaking, both are pretty simple to defeat, but as bob2 said, it may be illegal to do so |
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| 01:44.17 | tix64 | honda: you can copy anything you want. the question is, what you distribute. another question is if _you_ _can_ copy what you want to copy. |
| 01:44.19 | bob2 | frealek: anyone who signed on to the EU copyright thingy. |
| 01:44.20 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, better than boa? (I've used boa in the past) |
| 01:44.22 | frealek | Fulcrum99 something like khttpd ? |
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| 01:44.28 | netwrkguy | thomas_adam i get "screens found but no usable configuration" when I use the vesa |
| 01:44.39 | Spencer | If you want to copy DVDs that use CSS (Content Scrambling System), read up on DeCSS here: http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#4.8 |
| 01:44.39 | frealek | bob2 oh yeah that thing |
| 01:44.41 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: meh, is there that much for it to be better? it just serves files. |
| 01:44.42 | Fulcrum99 | frealek, khttpd can't do CGI I don't think |
| 01:44.46 | thomas_adam | netwrkguy: good, now disable framebuffers in XF86Config-4 |
| 01:44.48 | bob2 | frealek: (afaik) |
| 01:44.48 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, true |
| 01:44.50 | frealek | Fulcrum99 k |
| 01:45.00 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, I just want it to be light and fast (and able to do CGI) |
| 01:45.12 | Wyzard | debDork: Well, there are programs which patch weak sectors to make them burnable, and which scan for twin sectors. |
| 01:45.34 | muncc2beo | Where can I get a netinst iso for sarge? |
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| 01:45.59 | honda | bob2: so you're saying i don't have the legal right in the us to copy my dvds? |
| 01:45.59 | Wyzard | debDork: There are probably some other new protection mechanisms that I don't know about -- I researched them last year but haven't looked at them much since -- and probably workarounds for those as well |
| 01:46.01 | bob2 | muncc2beo: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:46.06 | bob2 | honda: correct. |
| 01:46.12 | Sub_Liminal | i'm going to try another kern, lol |
| 01:46.12 | honda | bob2: dang |
| 01:46.13 | bob2 | honda: effectively, if not explicitly. |
| 01:46.25 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: it's both of those, but so is apache. |
| 01:46.29 | honda | bob2: and whats the time someone must do for such an offence? |
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| 01:46.41 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, apache seems like overkill |
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| 01:46.50 | bob2 | honda: I don't know. years? |
| 01:46.53 | honda | Fulcrum99: apache is awesome |
| 01:46.55 | Wyzard | honda: Nope. And here's the kicker -- years down the road, when the copyright on that movie expires and it goes into the public domain, you have the legal right to make copies of the movie, but you'd have to break the law to do so, because the encryption is still there. |
| 01:46.56 | stewie | Hi all - i was just wondering if anyone could recommend a good VPN client for debian? |
| 01:47.08 | stewie | (standard IPSEC) |
| 01:47.08 | muncc2beo | bob2: does that do sarge? I thought the iso was called 'netinst'. |
| 01:47.12 | Wyzard | honda: That's (part of) why the DMCA is so bad |
| 01:47.31 | frealek | Wyzard is there copyrights on movies that could expire in less than 100 years ?? |
| 01:47.34 | honda | Wyzard: thats no good... whats dmca? |
| 01:47.39 | Wyzard | stewie: Debian's kernel-source-2.4.{21,22,23} packages contain a backport of 2.6's IPSEC code |
| 01:47.50 | frealek | honda digital millenium copyright act |
| 01:47.55 | Wyzard | honda: The Digital Milennium Copyright Act... google for it |
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| 01:48.24 | debDork | Wyzard: one reason for opting for Linux was that workstation operators would have less oportunity to play with foolish time wasting projects such as adictive computer games, but a default Red Hat install gave the workstation operator plenty to engross his/her mind,,,,, haha |
| 01:48.24 | honda | dangit |
| 01:48.26 | Wyzard | honda: http://www.lehigh.edu/~mbp2/ -- on my website I have a few links to Slashdot stories describing problems / abuses of the DMCA |
| 01:48.27 | simonrvn | cafuego: PING |
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| 01:48.37 | bob2 | muncc2beo: oops, /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 01:49.02 | stewie | Wyzard : can i just use something like openvpn or secvpn as a client? |
| 01:49.07 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, DMCA circumvented "fair-use" or whatever? (I haven't backed up any of my DVD's, but I back up my audio CD's left and right) |
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| 01:49.08 | simonrvn | and you abused DNS MikeH |
| 01:49.15 | netwrkguy | thomas_adam i dont see anything about framebuffers in that file |
| 01:49.18 | Wyzard | stewie: I haven't used either of those, but probably. |
| 01:49.28 | songpenguin | y'all ttyl, gotta go return a faulty multimeter! :-( |
| 01:49.30 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: MikeH is some guy who is on another server I'm on. |
| 01:49.30 | honda | so what if i downloaded dvds over the internet which were in the public domain.. then would it still be illegal to make a copy ofit? |
| 01:49.42 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: heh |
| 01:49.50 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: read "drone" |
| 01:49.53 | tix64 | Fulcrum99: but most audio cds don't employ copy protection mechanisms. |
| 01:50.00 | muncc2beo | bob2: ok, thanks |
| 01:50.05 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: hehehe |
| 01:50.16 | frealek | tix64 it's getting worse, more and more as we're talking |
| 01:50.17 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: in effect, yes. |
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| 01:50.37 | Wyzard | honda: When you say "downloading DVDs", you probably mean "downloading recompressed DVD rips". If the video itself is in the public domain then you're allowed to download the video, but the person who created the video would've broken the law by extracting it from the DVD. |
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| 01:50.46 | zeo33x | how can i probe my monitors vert and horizontal sync rate? |
| 01:51.05 | thomas_adam | zeo33x: xvidtune |
| 01:51.08 | tix64 | frealek: i know. and i won't buy any copy protected audio cds. although i'm not living in a dmca encumbered country. |
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| 01:51.20 | frealek | zeo33x warning it can break your monitor... |
| 01:51.22 | thomas_adam | MikeH: heh |
| 01:51.25 | honda | Wyzard: actually i meant the full dvd |
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| 01:51.29 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, tix64 - so the "effectively illegal" part revolves around the fact that to backup a DVD you have to circumvent the copy-protection? (Sorry, missed the beginning of the discussion) |
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| 01:51.37 | tix64 | Wyzard: not all dvds are encrypted. |
| 01:51.37 | simonrvn | MikeH: and you abused DNS |
| 01:51.40 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: yes |
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| 01:51.46 | Wyzard | tix64: No, but most are. |
| 01:51.54 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: even if the protection is trivial, you aren't allowed to circumvent it. |
| 01:51.54 | tix64 | Fulcrum99: yep |
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| 01:52.00 | MikeH | hey thomas_adam |
| 01:52.01 | Justin_ | you dont have to circumvent copy protection to copy a dvd |
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| 01:52.11 | GunZ | what files do i edit stop daemons from starting up on boot time? |
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| 01:52.27 | MikeH | simonrvn: in your opinion obviously :) |
| 01:52.41 | Wyzard | Fulcrum99: You can make a byte-for-byte copy of a DVD without breaking CSS, but to extract the *video* (to watch it, recompress it, etc.) you must go through CSS |
| 01:52.48 | cafuego | bob2: even if you aren't allowed to circumvent it, doesn't mean you shouldn't. |
| 01:53.14 | k8to | somewhat particular question here, hope it isn't a bother: How does one determine what packages one has installed which are from a particular debian 'track', such as testing or unstable? |
| 01:53.17 | FbSD | join in server -> IrC.CHatNet.Com.Br please |
| 01:53.28 | cafuego | simonrvn: I forgot what i was going to ask you... |
| 01:53.30 | mwilson | Justin_: Of course not. But since most of the 'l33t kiddiez actually mean "rip to a lower quality and put it on a VCD I claim is a backup", they *do* need to decrypt it. |
| 01:53.32 | joseph | dmesg says it loaded some usb and hid stuff but i don't know where to find the device for the mouse |
| 01:53.42 | simonrvn | MikeH: what did that poor penguin do to you for it to merit such a bad attitude towards it? |
| 01:53.45 | honda | so to extract the video to watch it... thats what i have to do to watch it in linux right? and thats why i couldn't sell customers a linux box with dvd viewing capabilities correct? |
| 01:53.48 | simonrvn | cafuego: take your time |
| 01:53.55 | joseph | /dev/usb/mouse0 doesn't seem to work |
| 01:53.58 | cafuego | simonrvn: Oh actually, I didn't... do you know if the benh kernel modifications are available as patch files rather than me having to fetch an rsync tree? |
| 01:53.59 | MikeH | simonrvn: its a joke, and i had no better use for reverse dns |
| 01:54.00 | bob2 | FbSD: go away. |
| 01:54.03 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: Tux is fat now -- all that Christmas herring. |
| 01:54.05 | bob2 | cafuego: of course! |
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| 01:54.12 | MikeH | lol |
| 01:54.20 | Wyzard | GunZ: What I usually do is look at the script in /etc/init.d and see what configuration materials it looks at... most of them read settings from a file in /etc or /etc/default, and often there's a "don't load" option |
| 01:54.37 | cafuego | bob2: kernel.org/.../people/benh seems to only have old ones. |
| 01:54.47 | simonrvn | MikeH: i know it's a joke - but at least come up with something funny ;P |
| 01:54.50 | GunZ | Wyzard: thx |
| 01:54.55 | k8to | i usually just rm the runlevel symlinks |
| 01:55.00 | simonrvn | cafuego: rsync rsync |
| 01:55.02 | Fulcrum99 | bob2, Does it require special hardware to make a byte-for-byte DVD copy? (of course, from what I've seen with DVD-RW disks, it probably won't play in a consumer player) |
| 01:55.03 | k8to | if they exist |
| 01:55.10 | cafuego | simonrvn: Evil dontwanna! |
| 01:55.11 | Wyzard | GunZ: If there isn't, then you can put an "exit 0" at the top of the initscript, but be aware that if you modify one of those files, apt will prompt you about whether to replace it when you upgrade |
| 01:55.15 | MikeH | simonrvn: its the only slightly cool thign i had, got it a long time ago |
| 01:55.15 | thomas_adam | k8to: man update-rc.d |
| 01:55.22 | Justin_ | !tell joseph about usbmouse |
| 01:55.23 | thomas_adam | MikeH: hm |
| 01:55.26 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: aaaaw poor penguin is all rotund now :) |
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| 01:55.38 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 01:55.40 | simonrvn | MikeH: np |
| 01:55.40 | Wyzard | Fulcrum99: You can copy a DVD in the same way you'd copy a CD "iso" |
| 01:55.45 | k8to | thomas: i'm well aware of the tools, but they're far more clumsy than just creating and removing the links directly |
| 01:55.47 | simonrvn | ticallion2: ! |
| 01:55.52 | bob2 | Fulcrum99: I don't know. |
| 01:55.53 | k8to | thomas: at least, in my opnion |
| 01:55.54 | cafuego | simonrvn: ... 2.6.0 just completely failed to boot on the 6500 |
| 01:55.56 | wiak | how do i restart a running deomon? |
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| 01:56.05 | Wyzard | Fulcrum99: Except that the DVD might have sector-level protection |
| 01:56.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: really? hm |
| 01:56.16 | k8to | thomas: further, the tools seem to gracefully handle the presence/lack of presence of such files if created in the style it does |
| 01:56.19 | simonrvn | wiak: use its init script |
| 01:56.31 | cafuego | simonrvn: oopsed (Exception 7) when starting kswapd |
| 01:56.33 | ticallion2 | simonrvn, :) sup sup?! all part of the process of getting back my old wks setup, took a while ay?! |
| 01:56.36 | plush-dally | hahahahahaha... this is classic... after adding another partition to the logical drive, i can't boot linux anymore with errors saying it can't mount root! |
| 01:56.49 | plush-dally | so now... i have to reinstall linux again! hahahahahahaha.... |
| 01:56.55 | k8to | reinstall linux? |
| 01:57.01 | Wyzard | honda: To answer your question from a few minutes ago, DeCSS was originally created so Linux users could watch DVD video, but yes, it's illegal under the DMCA |
| 01:57.04 | GunZ | Wyzard: ok thats helpful |
| 01:57.05 | Dapper | plush-dally: fix lilo/grub |
| 01:57.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: ooooh, that might have been my problem with 2.6.0 mainline, but mine would just freeze |
| 01:57.09 | k8to | can't you just boot off rescue and then fix things up? |
| 01:57.14 | topaz8 | quit |
| 01:57.15 | plush-dally | k8to: it wasn't easy the first time... |
| 01:57.22 | Fulcrum99 | Wyzard, I've noticed that most copy-protected game CD's can't be copied as an ISO image - is that the sector-level protection you refer to? |
| 01:57.23 | simonrvn | ticallion2: heh, yeh. well (see below) |
| 01:57.25 | thomas_adam | k8to: yes.... |
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| 01:57.27 | simonrvn | @wb ticallion2 |
| 01:57.28 | cafuego | simonrvn: I got 2.6.1-rc1 now but you know... |
| 01:57.29 | Dapper | Wyzard: Jon Johannesen was acquitted.. It's not illegal |
| 01:57.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back ticallion2, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 01:57.37 | Wyzard | Dapper: It is in the US |
| 01:57.40 | k8to | plush-dally: with some experience you ought to be able to boot off a rescue disk and fix up your bootloader |
| 01:57.40 | simonrvn | cafuego: did they fix it? |
| 01:57.41 | cafuego | frealek: legacy technology |
| 01:57.41 | plush-dally | k8to: i can't boot off rescue... the kernel starts to load and then fails to mount. |
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| 01:57.48 | plush-dally | *fails to mount root |
| 01:57.48 | ticallion2 | simonrvn, heh |
| 01:57.52 | k8to | plush-dally: although I admit this isn't necessarily obvious the first time |
| 01:57.53 | frealek | cafuego what do you mean ? |
| 01:57.57 | cafuego | simonrvn: Dunno, i'll let you know in 3 hours, when the compile is done :-P |
| 01:58.03 | simonrvn | frealek: IOW, old crap |
| 01:58.09 | simonrvn | cafuego: ok |
| 01:58.10 | Dapper | plush-dally: download tomsrtbt disk |
| 01:58.12 | cafuego | frealek: serial is OLD shitty technology |
| 01:58.13 | Dapper | google it |
| 01:58.14 | Wyzard | Fulcrum99: No, copy-protected CDs use mechanisms which make it difficult to *burn* an exact duplicate disc. I'm talking about information on the DVD which tells the drive not to let you *read* certain sectors until you authenticate. |
| 01:58.15 | k8to | plush: well change the initrd/bootline or whatever is selecting the default root no? |
| 01:58.23 | thomas_adam | plush-dally: linux init=/bin/bash root=/dev/hdxx ro |
| 01:58.24 | cafuego | frealek: People use USB these days |
| 01:58.27 | thomas_adam | plush-dally: from lilo prompt |
| 01:58.35 | simonrvn | wiak: don't /msg me please |
| 01:58.40 | simonrvn | @tell wiak about ask |
| 01:58.42 | ricII | Wyzard, strange thing are happing, I configure both nics (with some complicatios due to aliasing). running tcpdump on both sides, pinging from host1=>host2 showup on host2 and replys are send, but those reply's don't show up on the other end (host1) |
| 01:58.49 | k8to | plush: thomas is telling you how to change the boot line to select an intial root device |
| 01:58.53 | frealek | ... old but needed... well ok... everyone uses usb but this MB uses serial.. ;) ok I concede |
| 01:58.59 | Dapper | thomas_adam: how do you get to a lilo prompt? |
| 01:59.04 | honda | Wyzard: so am i breaking the law by watching a dvd in linux? |
| 01:59.04 | Dapper | i just istalled |
| 01:59.09 | k8to | plush: if you're using grub it's a bit different.. :/ |
| 01:59.10 | simonrvn | frealek: so enable it. it isn't hard to do so.. |
| 01:59.12 | frealek | Dapper you boot ? |
| 01:59.13 | cafuego | frealek: Hit it with a hammer and upgrade ;-) |
| 01:59.13 | Wyzard | ricII: Aliasing? As in eth0:1 or whatever? You shouldn't need that. |
| 01:59.14 | Dapper | and now all I get is 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 |
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| 01:59.15 | thomas_adam | Dapper: you reboot |
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| 01:59.23 | Motoko | hello once again |
| 01:59.25 | simonrvn | @tell Dapper about LI |
| 01:59.26 | frealek | simonrvn yeah but module compilation takes time on a P150 ;) |
| 01:59.28 | k8to | anyone here an apt wizard? |
| 01:59.32 | Dapper | you dont get a prompt.. just a buncha 9s |
| 01:59.38 | Wyzard | honda: If you're in the US or any country which has a law similar to the US's DMCA, yes. |
| 01:59.46 | ricII | Wyzard, just for testing purposes, i don't wanna loose my connections |
| 01:59.52 | cafuego | k8to: linux tends to call them druids, wizard sounds so windowsy ;-) |
| 01:59.54 | Wyzard | honda: I doubt anyone would prosecute you for watching a movie though. |
| 01:59.55 | k8to | i've been using debian over a year and still dont' know how to do some basic things :/ |
| 01:59.58 | simonrvn | frealek: not my problem if you have a cpu that's slower than a ppc 601 ;) |
| 02:00.05 | frealek | heh |
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| 02:00.07 | k8to | wyzard: i mean a person, not a program |
| 02:00.07 | Motoko | Anyone know where I can find one of those nice menu themes for GRUB??? |
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| 02:00.15 | Fulcrum99 | Wyzard, eeen-teresting |
| 02:00.18 | netwrkguy | i would upload my config files but the machine does not have internet access |
| 02:00.25 | honda | Wyzard: wow.. that is realy stupid, good thing i could care less what the DMCA says;) |
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| 02:00.28 | k8to | wyzard: like "a real unix wizard!" |
| 02:00.45 | cafuego | Motoko: make one with gimp. |
| 02:00.50 | netwrkguy | thomas_adam i dont see anything about framebuffers in XF86Config-4 |
| 02:00.53 | simonrvn | cafuego: bwahahha |
| 02:00.57 | plush-dally | thomas_adam: doesn't work. i get the same error: Fat: bogus logical sector size 0 /n FAT: bogus logical sector size 0 /n UDF-fs: No VRS found /n Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:41 |
| 02:01.03 | thomas_adam | netwrkguy: try vga |
| 02:01.03 | Motoko | are there any prereqs for them? |
| 02:01.09 | frealek | cafuego well let's say "hammer device not supported by my_hand" ;) I love this old crap it's working 100% and nothing more needed :) |
| 02:01.11 | cafuego | it's a 603ev/300 but bloody hell |
| 02:01.14 | thomas_adam | plush-dally: FAT? no wonder |
| 02:01.20 | k8to | i run a mixed testing/unstable distribution, but i asked it not to ever install unstable packages unless I asked for them, but sadly this means it doesn'at update the unstable packages I've already installed. |
| 02:01.22 | Steph[eN] | short question to mount a partition as non-root just add the "user" option to /etc/fstab? |
| 02:01.27 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes, it's slow on a 604e/185 too |
| 02:01.36 | k8to | steph: yes |
| 02:01.40 | honda | Wyzard: how long until that law gets thrown out or modified so i can sell linux boxes for the company i start in a few years with dvd viewing capabilities? |
| 02:01.40 | plush-dally | thomas_adam: I NEVER partitioned ANYTHING since last time it worked, let alone partiotioned any new FAT partitions. |
| 02:01.41 | k8to | steph: to the options field |
| 02:01.42 | cafuego | simonrvn: faster than on ANY 603 tho |
| 02:01.50 | Dapper | simonrvn: i dont see LD or LI or LO.. my disk is only like 8 gigs |
| 02:01.56 | Steph[eN] | k8to, but it still complains, only root can mount it |
| 02:01.59 | k8to | steph: eg: /dev/cdrom /mounts/cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:02.00 | cafuego | thank god it's an "ev" anyway |
| 02:02.08 | cafuego | with less cache it would take DAYS |
| 02:02.09 | simonrvn | Dapper: some other factoid. sorry about that |
| 02:02.11 | k8to | steph: what's in your fstab and what's on your command line? |
| 02:02.22 | Dapper | simonrvn: how can one install Grub from a live cd like knoppix? |
| 02:02.22 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes true :) |
| 02:02.32 | simonrvn | Dapper: i don't know |
| 02:02.33 | Steph[eN] | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk noauto,user 0 0 |
| 02:02.33 | mwilson | honda: What does the law have to do with that? |
| 02:02.42 | TheBlueWizard | honda: you are running up against RIAA, MPAA, and others...tough to get DMCA and its bastard children thrown out |
| 02:02.42 | mwilson | honda: Other than nothing? |
| 02:02.51 | Dapper | I did a knoppix hdinstall.. and now i boot and just get a bunch of 99 99 99 99 99 |
| 02:02.59 | netwrkguy | thomas_adam AddScreen / ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 02:03.00 | k8to | steph: you're missing a field |
| 02:03.05 | honda | mwilson: well i could get in trouble for breaking the law by letting customers view dvds because i set them up to do that right? |
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| 02:03.09 | mwilson | honda: License and sell a Linux DVD player. Not like it's hard. |
| 02:03.10 | Steph[eN] | but its not sure wich fs it has |
| 02:03.10 | k8to | steph: you don't specify the filesystem type |
| 02:03.21 | Steph[eN] | it may vary |
| 02:03.27 | k8to | yep |
| 02:03.31 | k8to | so you use the 'auto' type |
| 02:03.35 | Steph[eN] | k |
| 02:03.38 | wiak | strerror_work: do not run ircd setuid root. Make it setuid a normal user. |
| 02:03.40 | k8to | so it should be like |
| 02:03.42 | wiak | how? |
| 02:03.43 | honda | mwilson: what do you mean? |
| 02:03.54 | k8to | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk auto noauto,user 0 0 |
| 02:04.01 | Steph[eN] | works now, thx |
| 02:04.03 | Steph[eN] | k8to |
| 02:04.07 | k8to | :D yay |
| 02:04.13 | k8to | auto can mess up |
| 02:04.16 | mwilson | honda: You can whine about how the law doesn't let you steal it, or you can take steps to make sure what you need is provided. |
| 02:04.18 | k8to | in some situations |
| 02:04.24 | k8to | what kind of device is that? |
| 02:04.52 | Steph[eN] | just a flashdisk |
| 02:05.06 | honda | mwilson: right.. but what are you saying about licensing and selling a linux dvd player? |
| 02:05.08 | plush-dally | booooo why won't root mount? and where did these FAT partitions come from? |
| 02:05.13 | Steph[eN] | used to exchange files with windose mashines |
| 02:05.40 | k8to | steph: the kind of mistakes i might expect are like .. maybe vfat instead of fat or something like that |
| 02:05.41 | mwilson | honda: You find that so hard to understand? How do you think legal DVD playing applications on any other platform can exist? |
| 02:05.46 | k8to | steph: if you know what i mean |
| 02:05.49 | snoke | bob2: apt-cache showsrc seems to show meny same info from same version of package, why? |
| 02:05.53 | plush-dally | i really don't want to reinstall linux AND lose all my data. the wifi card/radeon9700/audigy took me forever to get going. |
| 02:05.57 | k8to | steph: probably you'll have no problems at all, but just be aware of the possibility |
| 02:06.02 | Steph[eN] | k8to:of course i do |
| 02:06.04 | Dapper | mwilson: silly you, only communist thieves use linux |
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| 02:06.21 | Steph[eN] | k8to: thx for your help so far |
| 02:06.27 | k8to | steph: :D |
| 02:06.28 | mwilson | Dapper: Save it for someone who cares. |
| 02:06.33 | LandStile | will debian mono work under 'testing'? The webpage seems to only state unstable and woody... |
| 02:06.33 | honda | mwilson: no im just making sure im folowing you... you're saying find a closed source program and license and sell that inside my distro? |
| 02:06.43 | Steph[eN] | k8to: with the auto option its better used in general cases |
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| 02:07.04 | thomas_adam | MikeH: Ping/Pong |
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| 02:07.18 | mwilson | honda: No, I'm saying if you want to distribute DVD playing technology, license it properly so that you can distribute it, just like everyone else. |
| 02:07.30 | MikeH | thomas_adam: im trying to get irssi to change a particular server address, and it aint having it |
| 02:07.33 | mwilson | honda: What it's incorporated in is your problem. |
| 02:07.44 | thomas_adam | MikeH: oh? |
| 02:07.54 | thomas_adam | MikeH: ~/.irssi |
| 02:07.58 | MikeH | thomas_adam: i'll work it out |
| 02:07.59 | Steph[eN] | which pdf reader to prefer ? xpdf or acroread? |
| 02:08.10 | k8to | steph: i was trying to figure out if you could let users do -t filesystem, but probably not |
| 02:08.30 | mwilson | Steph[eN]: Far too difficult to actually bother trying them both for yourself, of course. |
| 02:08.32 | thomas_adam | MikeH: I know you will! |
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| 02:08.46 | honda | mwilson: ok, thats the problem... i don't know how to license it properly so i can sell it... seems like redhat doesn't give the dvd player stuff out in its distro, if that huge company is afraid to do it shouldn't i be a little caucious? |
| 02:08.50 | Steph[eN] | k8to, how do you mean that |
| 02:08.52 | MikeH | thomas_adam: :) |
| 02:08.53 | k8to | are we arguing about whether it's legal to decrypt DVD without a license? |
| 02:09.09 | k8to | steph: ignore me :D |
| 02:09.10 | mwilson | honda: Other than yourself, who said RedHat was "afraid" to do anything? |
| 02:09.28 | k8to | because it seems to me that the courts haven't really decided |
| 02:09.34 | k8to | and neither has congress |
| 02:09.37 | k8to | etc. |
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| 02:09.39 | mwilson | honda: RedHat chooses not to. |
| 02:09.44 | p2-mate | k8to: I don't think it's illegal in europe |
| 02:09.46 | honda | mwilson: no one, sorry... but you see what im getting at? |
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| 02:09.50 | mwilson | k8to: No, we aren't. |
| 02:09.54 | p2-mate | k8to: and I couldn't see why it would be illegal |
| 02:10.01 | mwilson | honda: I see that you're getting at how stupid you are, yes. |
| 02:10.03 | k8to | mwilson: okay sorry i'll shut up :D |
| 02:10.18 | k8to | p2: some laws are dumb! |
| 02:10.18 | MikeH | thomas_adam: sorted it :) |
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| 02:10.37 | honda | k8to: i am trying to understand how i am going to legaly give a customer dvd viewing capabilities without getting sued |
| 02:10.40 | thomas_adam | MikeH: yay :) |
| 02:10.59 | mwilson | honda: No, you're deliberately misunderstanding the way to accomplish that. |
| 02:11.02 | k8to | you mean without a significant probability of being sued? |
| 02:11.03 | k8to | :D |
| 02:11.05 | MikeH | thomas_adam: i know im dumb, but that does seem like a bit of a mockery to me :-/ |
| 02:11.16 | honda | mwilson: i probably am |
| 02:11.16 | thomas_adam | MikeH: Perhapa you'll stay for a bit? I could do with a laugh :) |
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| 02:11.30 | thomas_adam | MikeH: No, I was generally pleased for you :) |
| 02:11.37 | p2-mate | k8to: US laws you mean ? :) |
| 02:11.40 | thomas_adam | MikeH: You must learn my "humour" |
| 02:11.46 | k8to | p2: well especially them, but in general too |
| 02:11.50 | thomas_adam | MikeH: I am not mocking you. |
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| 02:12.07 | k8to | p2: pardon me, most of my irc channels are very us-centric |
| 02:12.34 | thomas_adam | MikeH: I am a very serious person |
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| 02:12.58 | honda | mwilson: so can i sell a debian box to someone with the ability to view dvds without doing anything extra and not get sued? or do i simply have to state that this box uses dvd decryption to view dvds and i am not responsible for anything you do with it? |
| 02:13.25 | k8to | honda: depending upon what country you are in, providing dvd playback is relevant to licensing, reverse engineering law, patents, and the DMCA |
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| 02:13.48 | honda | k8to: yeah im in the US... so it sounds like i have a problem |
| 02:14.08 | k8to | honda: providing DVD playback without licensing as a player ($$$) with the DVD cartel will expose you to a degree of lawsuits |
| 02:14.37 | k8to | honda: also, i dont' think they let just anyone license, since they like to give you your own decryption key |
| 02:14.39 | honda | k8to: so how do i not get the lawsuits? |
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| 02:14.40 | renner | where can i find kernel-headers-2.2.20-idepci ? |
| 02:14.47 | thomas_adam | sleep time |
| 02:14.50 | thomas_adam | bbiab |
| 02:14.52 | mwilson | honda: You buy a valid license, you stupid get! |
| 02:15.04 | Steph[eN] | looking for an image viewer (maybe kde integrated) - somebody a proposal? |
| 02:15.13 | mwilson | Steph[eN]: xv |
| 02:15.14 | k8to | mwilson: do you know the terms of the licensing? are there a bunch of unused keys on each DVD that you can still buy? |
| 02:15.19 | skermajo | i have all the usb support compiled into the kernel (2.6.0). how do i mount a usb drive ? |
| 02:15.25 | thomas_adam | Steph[eN]: xzgv |
| 02:15.27 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 02:15.34 | k8to | i use gimv for a viewer |
| 02:15.38 | thomas_adam | skermajo: LOL |
| 02:15.40 | karsten | mwilson: ...where art thou... |
| 02:15.41 | honda | mwilson: and how do i have a valid license? i didn't think something like xine had a valid license? sorry, im justrying to understand here;) |
| 02:15.42 | k8to | which i like a lot |
| 02:15.54 | skermajo | thomas_adam: oh really :( |
| 02:15.58 | Serbitar | skermajo: watch yoursyslog when you plug it in .. normally they show up as "scsi" devices |
| 02:16.01 | k8to | xine uses livid |
| 02:16.01 | mwilson | honda: No, you're being deliberately stupid, and I'm done. |
| 02:16.06 | k8to | which is not licensed |
| 02:16.10 | thomas_adam | skermajo: mount /dev/sdx /mnt/some_location |
| 02:16.11 | k8to | but strangely is not being legally harassed |
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| 02:16.32 | plush-dally | thomas_adam: I fixed it! I guess you can't maximize ext2 partitions in cfdisk and expect them to still work! |
| 02:16.33 | k8to | honda: how big an operation is this going to be anyway? |
| 02:16.34 | thomas_adam | skermajo: possibly with the -t option to mount of the filesystem type |
| 02:16.34 | skermajo | Serbitar: ok thanks. do i need scsi support in the kernel ? |
| 02:17.00 | k8to | honda: if large, you should have a lawyer answering these questions |
| 02:17.00 | honda | mwilson: im not being deliberately stupid... im just trying to figure out how to get around some stupid things that my country did |
| 02:17.00 | Serbitar | skermajo: cant remember. suck it and see |
| 02:17.00 | thomas_adam | plush-dally: resize2fs ? |
| 02:17.00 | plush-dally | thomas_adam: so i just set them back with the stable installer and voila! |
| 02:17.03 | k8to | honda: if you're just making 2 machines then you can always try skating on the thin ice of "maybe no one will notice/care" |
| 02:17.10 | skermajo | thomas_adam: thanks :) i'll go play . . just wasn't sure what device it would be on |
| 02:17.19 | honda | k8to: i would start a company with only selling a very few machines, and hope to get bigger |
| 02:17.19 | tix64 | k8to: xine doesn't decss dvds. |
| 02:17.24 | thomas_adam | skermajo: you'll need scsi-emulations upport in the kenrel |
| 02:17.37 | mwilson | honda: Of course you're being deliberately stupid. And what would those "stupid" things be that your country has done? |
| 02:17.49 | skermajo | thomas_adam: oh. gonna have to compile a new kernel then :( |
| 02:17.54 | thomas_adam | skermajo: yep |
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| 02:18.06 | thomas_adam | skermajo: 'fraid so |
| 02:18.14 | k8to | honda: if it's going to be a selling point of the machines then you need to get it settled which basically means going through a lengthly and costly licensing process or preparing yourself for a possible legal battle as a cost of doing business |
| 02:18.23 | mwilson | karsten: A civics lesson? Whatever for? He wants to distribute a player, let him either license one or license the technology and create one where one does not exist previously. |
| 02:18.25 | skermajo | thomas_adam: did away with scsi in 2.6 due to the cd-r not needing it |
| 02:18.32 | frealek | I've a strange problem with my serial mouse... I use the 8250* modules, and with 2.4 I cat /dev/ttyS0 and it was reacting correctly, now I cat /dev/ttyS0 and stuff just gets out randomly, not fast but even if I don't move the mouse... any idea ? |
| 02:18.36 | karsten | mwilson: For hondas ;-) |
| 02:18.48 | k8to | tix64: the xine codebase does not, it's true, but what gets used with xine is the livid code |
| 02:18.52 | thomas_adam | skermajo: it does need it, justset an option for it in /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 02:19.27 | skermajo | thomas_adam: alright. thanks for the help :) |
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| 02:19.35 | honda | k8to: yeah... thats the thing i can't afford to have to deal with this, and thats why im trying to figure it out before i start |
| 02:19.35 | k8to | honda: why not just put a DVD player card in the box which has dealt with the licensing for you? |
| 02:19.39 | thomas_adam | skermajo: You're welcome. |
| 02:20.19 | thomas_adam | asg: Adam? |
| 02:20.19 | tix64 | k8to: it uses libdvdcss if it's present. xine doesn't do it itself. which directs all responibilities to the user. |
| 02:20.23 | honda | k8to: thats an idea, i haven't thought of or heard of doing such a thing in a linux box before... |
| 02:20.28 | k8to | tix64: i agree |
| 02:20.45 | k8to | tix64: i'm not sure why you're making the point, i don't believe i said anything afoul of that statement though |
| 02:21.01 | Knight_Lord | How can i create an mpeg animation from a series of gif images? |
| 02:21.04 | k8to | honda: the hollywood etc cards have been marketed for such purposes |
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| 02:21.18 | frealek | Knight_Lord perhaps gimp can help you ? |
| 02:21.30 | k8to | honda: one reason they haven't been incredibly popular is that the drivers aren't entirely open, and another is that computers are fast enough so why pay for hardware just to get around an annoying license |
| 02:21.41 | frealek | Knight_Lord but gif is proprietary and non supported by the free version of the gimp |
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| 02:21.46 | k8to | honda: users have basically shown that they're willing to flout the law instead of cough up some cash |
| 02:22.03 | Knight_Lord | frealek i tried but strangely enough mplayer doesn't seem to be able to play the mpeg created by gimp (or more exactly mpeg2encode) |
| 02:22.04 | k8to | didn't the LZW patent expire? |
| 02:22.11 | k8to | or is that like next yera |
| 02:22.12 | k8to | year |
| 02:22.18 | frealek | dunno |
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| 02:22.30 | honda | k8to: so i wonder if having a script on the machine to install the programs and say im not responsible for you using this script would come back at me? |
| 02:22.32 | k8to | i think the gimp will generate gifs if you compile it to |
| 02:22.37 | frealek | Knight_Lord oh ok |
| 02:22.51 | k8to | but gif is outmoded anyway, just use png |
| 02:22.51 | tix64 | k8to: i don't know where the libdvdcss development originated. i can imagine it didn't come from the US |
| 02:22.55 | TheBlueWizard | LZW patent did expire, but only within USA...it hasn't expired elsewhere yet |
| 02:22.59 | jvives | hey all, what was the name of the console explorer, I need to check a web page using ssh!!! Please help |
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| 02:23.10 | frealek | jvives links |
| 02:23.14 | k8to | tix64: if you're outside the US and you use that code, you may well be in the clear (for now) |
| 02:23.17 | jvives | thx |
| 02:23.17 | honda | mwilson: sorry i got you upset.. just trying to learn something |
| 02:23.32 | k8to | so |
| 02:23.41 | netwrkguy | I put in a #9 revolution 3d agp card and setup x for vesa. Now X is coming up but it just hangs and never prompts for login |
| 02:23.52 | stnick | anyone have ideas about mozilla-bin running away when a print job is created with it since the latest sarge updated to mozilla 1.5?!? |
| 02:23.59 | quant | i have just installed Samba and am testing the workgroup feature. i am using win2k to test. it can see the linux box, but only lets you read the main home directory, and wont let you write. i have written the configuration to allow writing,,, any clues? |
| 02:24.01 | k8to | about debian! -- Is there a way to determine en masse what packages installed on your computer are tracking what debian tracks? |
| 02:24.31 | k8to | stnick: maybe you need to have the xprt-xprintorg thingy? |
| 02:24.35 | k8to | stnick: running |
| 02:24.58 | k8to | stnick: i believe mozilla is now using the printing X server for its printing purposes |
| 02:24.59 | stnick | k8to: hhhmmm... let me look into that.... would firebird 0.6 print without this? |
| 02:25.01 | Justin_ | !tell netwrkguy about X problem |
| 02:25.10 | k8to | stnick: i'm not an expert at all because I don't print |
| 02:25.32 | k8to | stnick: but yes this was a change about that version numberish, i'm not sure about firebird vs. main mozilla etc. though |
| 02:25.42 | netwrkguy | Justin_ the machine does not have access to the internet |
| 02:25.58 | netwrkguy | Justin_ i cant upload the files |
| 02:26.16 | billyoc | If apt-get dist-upgrade works anyway, what is the big deal about packages.debian.org being down for the moment? |
| 02:26.20 | k8to | stnick: xprt blahblah got installed with my new version of mozilla, but i don't believe that will necessarily cause the service to start immediately, ... unsure |
| 02:26.44 | k8to | packages.debian.org is where the packages are uploaded, is it not? |
| 02:26.56 | Justin_ | k8to: no |
| 02:27.02 | k8to | oh. :( |
| 02:27.04 | tix64 | billyoc: that one can not search for packages on it. |
| 02:27.20 | Justin_ | !tell tix64 about search |
| 02:27.42 | MikeH | aftershock:~# /etc/init.d/iptables save active |
| 02:27.42 | MikeH | Savinging iptables ruleset: save "active" with counters/etc/init.d/iptables: line 66: /var/lib/iptables/active: No such file or directory |
| 02:27.45 | mwilson | billyoc: What, other than nothing, does p.d.o have to do with apt? |
| 02:27.52 | k8to | 3rd try: so you have a mixed testing/unstable system. How do you find out which packages are which if you've forgotten? |
| 02:27.56 | MikeH | anyone know what would cause that? its always worked fine on my other debian boxes? |
| 02:28.07 | Justin_ | MikeH: mkdir /var/lib/iptables |
| 02:28.24 | tix64 | Justin_: i know that. but i myself hate to download Contents-${arch}.gz files to do in-package searches. |
| 02:28.26 | MikeH | aah, thats better thanks :) |
| 02:28.33 | MikeH | Justin_: so they will get loaded when the machine starts now? |
| 02:28.40 | Justin_ | MikeH: i dunno |
| 02:28.48 | billyoc | tix64: ty |
| 02:28.54 | MikeH | hrm, i will sort it, thx |
| 02:29.01 | billyoc | mwilson: sorry, got the sites confused. |
| 02:30.07 | k8to | holy crow |
| 02:30.16 | k8to | when did freenode get so big |
| 02:30.25 | k8to | it used to be safe to type /list on here |
| 02:30.50 | tix64 | k8to: and when was that? must be long ago. |
| 02:30.57 | cafuego | k8to: About 24 months ago. |
| 02:31.00 | k8to | yeah i haven't been aroudn in a while |
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| 02:31.12 | k8to | i must do a really lousy job asking questions here :D |
| 02:31.21 | k8to | because i'm batting like a hundred |
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| 02:32.04 | frealek | serial mouse seems to have strange behavior with matroxfb modules loaded... is that making sense ? |
| 02:32.39 | k8to | frealek: it doesn't make sense to me that they would interact, but it's not beyond the realm of the possible |
| 02:33.04 | Twinsen | I'm having trouble with my nvidia ethernet in debian. I have the base debian system installed, but I don't have an internet connection to allow me to apt-get install gcc & make to compile the nvidia drivers |
| 02:33.14 | frealek | something like a desynchronization ... |
| 02:33.28 | k8to | frealek: is the mouse driver working at all? |
| 02:33.29 | frealek | Twinsen nvidia ethernet ? |
| 02:33.32 | mwilson | Twinsen: Next time buy a decent motherboard. |
| 02:33.48 | k8to | frealek: i view the console drivers as black magic..... |
| 02:33.49 | Nurbs | nvidia drivers are in 2.6, heh |
| 02:33.51 | Twinsen | yeah, onboard nvidia ethernet |
| 02:34.13 | Twinsen | are there any debian 2.6 netinst cds? |
| 02:34.13 | k8to | seems nforce chipset is becoming quite common :( |
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| 02:34.19 | frealek | k8to it was working strangely, random stuff getting outta /dev/ttyS0, even if not moving the mouse |
| 02:34.23 | mwilson | Twinsen: No. |
| 02:34.29 | k8to | twinsen: debian isn't on 2.6 |
| 02:34.35 | mwilson | k8to: Yeah, there are stupid people all over. |
| 02:34.46 | k8to | twinsen: just install something then update to unstable, then replace the kernel |
| 02:34.54 | k8to | "just" |
| 02:35.08 | Wyzard | Twinsen: It's a good idea to get a spare Ethernet card -- RTL-8139 cards are cheap and supported by just about everything -- for use in such situations |
| 02:35.08 | Twinsen | k8to... I can't install because I can't get my internet working |
| 02:35.10 | k8to | mwilson: well hah, for windows it works quite well.. |
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| 02:35.28 | Twinsen | i guess I'll buy a new card then |
| 02:35.38 | mwilson | k8to: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 02:36.03 | k8to | mwilson: i thought you were suggesting that anyone who uses an nforce is dumb |
| 02:36.35 | mwilson | k8to: Under Linux? I was. What does that have to do with Windows? |
| 02:36.51 | Twinsen | when I bought the mobo, I never thought it wouldn't completely support linux... nvidia used to be great about linux support |
| 02:37.06 | wasabi | nvidia has never been good about linux support |
| 02:37.07 | mwilson | Twinsen: When was that? Oh, that's right... it was never. |
| 02:37.11 | k8to | mwilson: i meant popular in genearal, thus harder to buy other chipsets |
| 02:37.13 | wasabi | what gave you that idea? |
| 02:37.38 | k8to | well nvidia did release a driver or two as open source |
| 02:37.39 | hanasaki | anyone have a good url for docs on the dc_varialbe stuff .. like in the exim4 package? i want to modify the script a bit and am having touble with the varialbe substitution stuff. thanks |
| 02:37.40 | Twinsen | wasabi... my vid card were supported |
| 02:37.41 | mwilson | k8to: Harder? Oh, that's right... I missed the guys with guns at the motherboard store. |
| 02:37.45 | k8to | before backpedalling |
| 02:37.46 | Twinsen | *cards |
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| 02:37.55 | wasabi | Twinsen, supported in what way? |
| 02:38.00 | wasabi | By biunary only peice of crap drivers? |
| 02:38.11 | wasabi | That's hardly "good about linux support" |
| 02:38.11 | Twinsen | i guess |
| 02:38.34 | k8to | mwilson: hah, you're being silly, harder in that the selection for non nvidia boards dwindles, thus making getting your paritcular needs met becomes more difficult |
| 02:38.39 | p2-mate | wasabi: yeah. nvidia is on my blacklist :) |
| 02:38.43 | noda | I'm upgrading from stable to unstable via apt-get dist-upgrade. Unfortunatley, my mirror seems to have misplaced libgucharmap3_1.2.0-2_i386.deb -- is there a way to dist-upgrade the *other* 700 packages and just ignore the missing one? |
| 02:38.49 | Twinsen | well, my nvidia cards were much easier to setup on linux than my friend's radeon 9800 |
| 02:38.56 | Wyzard | wasabi: How does "binary-only" == "piece-of-crap" ? |
| 02:39.01 | frealek | noda : --ignore-missing ? |
| 02:39.01 | k8to | mwilson: i went through sourcing a mobo for a friend of mine recently, and it was an annoying amount of work to find something available with the right features that wasn't nforce |
| 02:39.05 | noda | Twinsen: Yep, more stable too |
| 02:39.15 | mwilson | k8to: Ah. I missed the dwindling support for non-nVidia boards as well. When were you going to tell the industry you'd made this decision for them? |
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| 02:39.22 | wasabi | Wyzard, first off they're buggy. Second they're binary. |
| 02:39.27 | noda | Unable to correct missing packages. E: Aborting Install. |
| 02:39.28 | wasabi | Hence, they are binary peices of crap |
| 02:39.32 | wasabi | And always will be, because of the binary part. |
| 02:39.51 | Wyzard | wasabi: I haven't run into any driver bugs in over a year. |
| 02:40.02 | wasabi | Lucky you. |
| 02:40.06 | k8to | mwilson: i see, you're just deliberately misunderstanding me! how helpful. |
| 02:40.08 | p2-mate | Wyzard: if nvidia decides to stop supporting your chip, you're out of luck |
| 02:40.22 | mwilson | k8to: No, you're being deliberately stupid. |
| 02:40.32 | noda | And if nVidia *never* supported your processor architecture, you're out of luck. |
| 02:40.33 | k8to | yes, you're absolutely correct. |
| 02:40.51 | unmada | hi! |
| 02:40.57 | p2-mate | noda: true. |
| 02:41.01 | Twinsen | wasabi... I've been running my buggy, piece of crap nvidia driver on linux, and it's given me faster frame rates in winex3 than the windows driver |
| 02:41.01 | wasabi | I hope Linux keeps making it harder and harder to get by with binary drivers of any sort. |
| 02:41.07 | wasabi | s/Linux/Linus/ |
| 02:41.08 | p2-mate | noda: so don't buy nvidia boards :) |
| 02:41.11 | Wyzard | k8to: Don't worry, mwilson thinks all non-gurus are deserving of ridicule, not just you |
| 02:41.12 | noda | So, how can I ignore this one missing package and upgrade the other 710? :) |
| 02:41.15 | k8to | wasabi: well the gpl taint stuff is a good start |
| 02:41.16 | unmada | which is the module that I need to compile to have soundcore? (kernel of the 2.4 tree) |
| 02:41.25 | k8to | wyzard: psst, i am a guru. |
| 02:41.46 | wasabi | A guru of what? |
| 02:41.51 | k8to | linuxkwak |
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| 02:42.18 | Elimin8or | I keep getting this error on all kernels I compile except: Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4, I had 2.4.20 working fine for the longest time then something just broke then I reinstalled everything and still cant get it too work.. error I get is, VFS: cannot open root device hda1 Please append a correct "root" boot option Kernel Panic VFS, Unable to mouth root fs on hda.. anyone have any clue on this problem? |
| 02:42.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: I do? |
| 02:42.37 | noda | Elimin8or: Are you using initrd? |
| 02:42.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why don't I know that I feel that way? |
| 02:42.51 | Elimin8or | noda. not that I know of |
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| 02:43.01 | Elimin8or | how can I find out |
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| 02:43.09 | beta3 | be back in a few minutes, I have another ethernet card to add |
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| 02:43.20 | noda | Elimin8or: Compile IDE/ATAPI/blahblahblah *statically* (Y), and all your IDE hard drive stuff statically (Y). |
| 02:43.26 | rahul | Elimin8or: enable IDE and ide disk support in your kernel |
| 02:43.27 | Elimin8or | I have been compiling my own kernels since 98 and never had a problem till a few months ago. |
| 02:43.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: You seem to... you consistently choose condescending wording when talking to people who are asking non-expert questions. |
| 02:43.37 | rahul | Elimin8or: stuff has moved around |
| 02:43.46 | k8to | twinsen: the linux nvidia video drivers do seem to be fast, but they have unresolvable stability issues at times, and the whole flouting of dri is obnoxious, and the fact that you can't get them to work for non-x86 is annoying etc. |
| 02:43.48 | Elimin8or | it is enabled |
| 02:43.49 | noda | Elimin8or: Compile ext3 statically too. (or whatever your root partition has) |
| 02:43.52 | Elimin8or | im sure it is |
| 02:44.02 | Elimin8or | how do I comple it statically |
| 02:44.11 | k8to | twinsen: none of theses issues may be affecting you, but they are troublesome nonetheless. |
| 02:44.14 | Elimin8or | I usely just do the configure then make |
| 02:44.25 | noda | If nVidia released their driver source code, I would convince everybody I know to buy nVidia. I'd even upgrade. |
| 02:44.37 | noda | Elimin8or: Instead of doing 'M' in the kernel config, do 'Y' |
| 02:44.38 | Wyzard | Elimin8or: It's a setting in the configuration |
| 02:45.02 | p2-mate | noda: certainly for their ethernet stuff... |
| 02:45.03 | Elimin8or | I always do * |
| 02:45.11 | p2-mate | noda: binary only ethernet drivers is just evil |
| 02:45.18 | p2-mate | noda: and silly |
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| 02:45.34 | noda | They have binary-only *ethernet*??? |
| 02:45.38 | k8to | nvidia is in the "oh no if people can see our drivers then they can figure out all our tricky secrets" club |
| 02:45.41 | noda | Okay, nForce is out of the question for me :/ |
| 02:45.46 | mwilson | hm... apt-listchanges breaks again... |
| 02:46.07 | k8to | although i think the real issue is that they're in the "our lawyers tell us that if we make the driver source open it will be harder to sue competitors for IP theft" |
| 02:46.12 | k8to | club |
| 02:46.19 | noda | Why does *every* company give me the impression that the driver coders are minimum-wage? |
| 02:46.21 | p2-mate | they probably just want to hide how bad their code actually is... |
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| 02:46.28 | k8to | noda: because they are |
| 02:46.35 | rahul | k8to: no, it means that nvidia will be sued for IP theft. they don't have redistribution rights to that code. |
| 02:46.47 | k8to | noda: driver authoring is something that gets peed on in most commercial companies |
| 02:46.48 | tix64 | noda: because they are hardware shops not software shops. |
| 02:46.53 | noda | nVidia's probably got the best drivers of anybody out there... but it's such garbage. |
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| 02:47.14 | k8to | tix64: well that's sometimes true, but the software shops are bad at it too because they don't really do hardware |
| 02:47.21 | noda | There are thousands of people with much more experience willing to author their drivers for FREE |
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| 02:47.53 | k8to | also driver authorship is looked at as drugery and low-on-the-totem pole in programming circles |
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| 02:48.02 | noda | Yeah |
| 02:48.05 | k8to | probably partially due to the fact that classically it was so incredibly awful |
| 02:48.10 | noda | You'd think graphics drivers wouldn't be though. |
| 02:48.14 | k8to | since the system interfaces were all broken and nasty and undocumented |
| 02:48.15 | noda | They're pretty hardcore stuff... |
| 02:48.27 | mwilson | hm, bug 224797 |
| 02:48.38 | mwilson | whyinhell does it break one box, and not another? |
| 02:48.50 | k8to | yeah i suppose cutting edge video hardware drivers aren't seen as such, but they seem far more interested in featuritis and speed than stability |
| 02:49.22 | mwilson | hm, ok, it does |
| 02:49.29 | k8to | mwilson: because one's on 120v and the other's on 220v |
| 02:49.30 | noda | I get the impression ATI is much more affected by that mindset than nVidia. |
| 02:49.42 | beta3 | noda: dri driver's are free, and are probably far superior than ATI's drivers |
| 02:49.45 | wiak | anyone got the ircd to work? |
| 02:49.47 | Wyzard | What would be a good video card for someone who wants stability rather than the fastest 3D performance possible? |
| 02:49.47 | p2-mate | k8to: that's just not true. many chips are actually much better documented then the software which runs on them |
| 02:49.50 | quant | anyone used Samba? |
| 02:49.55 | beta3 | DRI drivers are the official open source drivers of ATI |
| 02:49.55 | tix64 | k8to: that's the problem with many a software. |
| 02:49.59 | mwilson | oh, cute... it breaks reportbug |
| 02:50.00 | noda | Wyzard: Do you need 3D at *all*? |
| 02:50.05 | mwilson | Anyone else see that? |
| 02:50.13 | k8to | p2: i mean the system interface, not the hardware interface |
| 02:50.15 | k8to | p2: the OS side |
| 02:50.18 | wasabi | eh? |
| 02:50.36 | beta3 | be back in a bit |
| 02:50.39 | Wyzard | noda: I'm just speculating, not actually looking to buy a card right now, but let's say 3D isn't needed |
| 02:50.52 | Twinsen | do you think it would work if I compiled the nvnet driver under knoppix (kernel 2.4.22) and copied the module into my debian installation? |
| 02:50.54 | cafuego | Wyzard: matrox |
| 02:50.57 | rahul | beta3: ati's closed source drivers are DRI |
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| 02:50.58 | k8to | p2: where your documentation on driver authorship is a couple example drivers, none of which compile, and some textfile fragments that are years out of date about how some guy did it once |
| 02:51.00 | noda | Wyzard: Then any cheap-o 5-year-old card. ATI's Rage II or Rage Pro are great, I've found. |
| 02:51.05 | rahul | silly people |
| 02:51.05 | Twinsen | do you think it would work if I compiled the nvnet driver under knoppix (kernel 2.4.22) and copied the module into my debian installation (kernel 2.4.22) |
| 02:51.17 | Twinsen | oops |
| 02:51.22 | rahul | and any recent ati card isn't supported by open source drivers |
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| 02:51.25 | k8to | twinsen: generally yes |
| 02:51.31 | p2-mate | k8to: you must have been working on strange systems |
| 02:51.40 | k8to | twinsen: however if the kernels are configured significantly differently, maybe not |
| 02:51.59 | Twinsen | k8to: i'd rather give it a try before buying a new ethernet card |
| 02:52.00 | Twinsen | thanks |
| 02:52.02 | k8to | p2: i mean like windows/dos/vxworks drivers |
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| 02:52.16 | Wyzard | noda: Well, I'd still want decent 2D performance... say, a 1600x1200 truecolor desktop, and video overlay |
| 02:52.19 | p2-mate | k8to: I never did drivers for any of those |
| 02:52.21 | k8to | p2: or VRTX but that's stretching it to even suggest there was a driver api |
| 02:52.42 | noda | Wyzard: Dunno. I think a Rage Pro might be able to handle that. |
| 02:52.44 | k8to | p2: if your experience is linux, that's what i'm contrasting with, where the interface is actually pretty clear |
| 02:53.03 | eSSe_ | whois dager |
| 02:53.06 | p2-mate | k8to: most custom hardware is so nonstandard, that there is no meaningful driver framework which they would fit in |
| 02:53.13 | p2-mate | k8to: no, it's not only that |
| 02:53.22 | cafuego | Wyzard: Matrox Millennium II PCI |
| 02:53.28 | k8to | custom hardware? |
| 02:53.39 | p2-mate | k8to: also sonet/SDH termination chips, atm stuff etc for switches |
| 02:53.45 | Tchiak | Wyzard: I have a ATI 3D rage pro chip that is built into my motherboard |
| 02:53.53 | Tchiak | in fact all of my hardware is built into the motherboard |
| 02:53.54 | Tchiak | :P |
| 02:54.02 | cafuego | Wyzard: Yopu'll get the added advantage of a decent fbcon driver. |
| 02:54.02 | k8to | so by custom hardware you mean ATM kit? :D |
| 02:54.15 | Tchiak | This thing has sound, ethernet, graphics all of that is built in |
| 02:54.17 | Wyzard | cafuego: hmm, sounds good :-) |
| 02:54.18 | Tchiak | and they are not bad components either |
| 02:54.25 | p2-mate | k8to: no, I mean ASICs |
| 02:54.25 | k8to | i have never ever ever dealt with ATM in any manner at all. And of this, I am glad. |
| 02:54.28 | Wyzard | Tchiak: I'm glad my system *doesn't* have everything built into the motherboard |
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| 02:54.54 | k8to | but 'ASIC' just means "some chip we threw together" not really what it does |
| 02:55.14 | p2-mate | k8to: I have dealt with ATM and it was a much nicer experience then a lot of the PC hardware I ever saw |
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| 02:55.43 | Tchiak | Wyzard: this box was designed to work on a network |
| 02:55.53 | p2-mate | k8to: the ones I coded for did SDH/Sonet termination, ATM AAL5, ATM switching, internal switch link management |
| 02:56.00 | Tchiak | Wyzard.. bought it from the place where i work when we upgraded... all in all not a bad system for 20 bucks |
| 02:56.01 | k8to | heh if you mean reliability, sure. but i meant the unpleasantness of interfacing the ATM ways and means to toosl that aren't designed for it |
| 02:56.11 | k8to | maybe things got better since 1996 when i last read up on it :p |
| 02:56.23 | aphex | hey I just installed debian, and I ma wondering what is the kernel image called for the 2.2.22 kernel, I remeber it was something like kernel-image-something |
| 02:56.33 | Wyzard | Tchiak: ah... for $20, that's not bad at all (and at the moment, I'm using a laptop that I got for free, which necessarily has everything integrated) |
| 02:56.36 | Tchiak | 500mhz 256MB sdram, built in ethernet, ATI 3d rage pro, ESS1869F sound card |
| 02:56.48 | dondelelcaro | aphex: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:56.51 | Tchiak | 6gig HDD |
| 02:56.51 | p2-mate | k8to: my tools where vi, c compiler and debugger :) |
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| 02:57.01 | p2-mate | k8to: and ATM analyzer :) |
| 02:57.13 | k8to | eg: kernel-image-2.2.22 would work but i don't seem to have it in my cache |
| 02:57.19 | Tchiak | can with windows 98 installed... which was promptly removed during the debian install |
| 02:58.07 | k8to | p2: yeah on the embedded side if you're doing everything it isn't a problem, i mean more on the deployment side where all your systems thought the whole world was ethernet |
| 02:58.13 | Wyzard | Tchiak: I envy you on the processor... this laptop has a 233MHz P-MMX :-) |
| 02:58.22 | k8to | p2: well whatever, that's ATM-to-desktop, i gather that insanity went away? |
| 02:58.58 | k8to | aphex: maybe 2.2.22 isn't packaged yet? how new is it? |
| 02:59.00 | Tchiak | this one is my experimental computer.. i'm working on reaquainting myself with debian, then i'm going to create a functional system |
| 02:59.11 | Tchiak | this one wil be constantly rebuilt to be a mirror for the other |
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| 02:59.21 | Tchiak | so i can try new things on a system that isn't critical to any function |
| 02:59.57 | k8to | i dunno, maybe it's because i don't have the 'stable' list |
| 02:59.57 | Tchiak | of course i still have my windows machine for other stuff |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | cafuego: Like I said, I got this one for free. I'm using it for IRC right now because on the desktop system next to me I'm moving /home over to a new XFS LVM :-) |
| 03:00.07 | aphex | k8to: I remember I downloaded it like a couple of months ago |
| 03:00.22 | X-Treme | umm... is it normal to have a blank routing table if the network adapters are down ? |
| 03:00.25 | aphex | k8to: but I had to reformat my HD |
| 03:00.29 | Tchiak | iI'm just waiitng for X developers to better the graphics stuff so it can handle extreme graphics easier |
| 03:00.34 | Tchiak | and with better quality |
| 03:00.39 | k8to | aphex: did you try just apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.22? you can also apt-cache search easily enough |
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| 03:00.44 | Wyzard | cafuego: You don't like XFS and/or LVM? |
| 03:00.47 | k8to | aphex: eg. apt-cache search kernel-image-2.2 |
| 03:01.06 | cafuego | Wyzard: Correct |
| 03:01.09 | simonrvn | cafuego hasn't had much luck with xfs |
| 03:01.13 | Wyzard | cafuego: Why not? |
| 03:01.14 | p2-mate | k8to: ATM is still in use for ADSL |
| 03:01.24 | k8to | LVM has worked well for me |
| 03:01.36 | aphex | k8to: apt tell me the package is there but has no available version |
| 03:01.37 | cafuego | Wyzard: XFS has deleted all my files and LVM died when a partition fails. |
| 03:01.39 | k8to | we were using LVM since like 0.6 or whatever at SuSE on production boxes with no trouble at all |
| 03:02.01 | simonrvn | entrusting my partitions to a s/w based set up does not instill confidence in me |
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| 03:02.13 | simonrvn | i.e., lvm |
| 03:02.21 | k8to | aphex: I generally use apt-show-versions -a packagename |
| 03:02.26 | k8to | aphex: at that point, to see what's up |
| 03:02.26 | Wyzard | cafuego: What do you mean by "partition fails" ? (If you mean loss of partition table, a whole-disk partition is easily recreated) |
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| 03:02.42 | aphex | k8to: ok let me try that |
| 03:02.53 | k8to | hm |
| 03:02.55 | cafuego | Wyzard: If the first partition your lvm is on fails, you lose the lot. |
| 03:03.02 | k8to | what behavior would you expect from LVM when a disk component fails |
| 03:03.11 | k8to | wait, you mean where the configuration is stored? |
| 03:03.17 | cafuego | Wyzard: It'll be fine on a raid setup but really, why use lvm in such a case. |
| 03:03.30 | k8to | cafuego: flexibility, snapshots |
| 03:03.32 | cafuego | k8to: No, the first partition in the volume group. |
| 03:03.45 | k8to | cafuego: we ued LVM on a fileserver so we could add space later without much trouble |
| 03:03.50 | Wyzard | cafuego: That may have been true in the past, but I'm pretty sure the metadata is now stored on all the disks in the volume group |
| 03:04.01 | simonrvn | k8to: why not just use raid* then |
| 03:04.12 | cafuego | Wyzard: I'm quite happy to keep not touching it for years to come. |
| 03:04.13 | Wyzard | cafuego: You'd lose access to that portion of the volume, of course, but the rest of the volume should continue to work |
| 03:04.25 | k8to | simonrvn: because raid generally only goes up to 6 or 14 disks :D |
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| 03:04.36 | cafuego | Wyzard: No, it fully died. Luckily I had a backup on 16 cdroms. |
| 03:04.47 | Wyzard | cafuego: How long ago was this? |
| 03:04.53 | Tchiak | question: if i have a router that uses dhcp, and i install a dhcp on my linux box will this cause a conflict? |
| 03:04.54 | cafuego | Wyzard: year and a half or so |
| 03:04.57 | simonrvn | and that's a problem when you can afford fibre channel? :) |
| 03:05.07 | noda | Tchiak: Not if you don't start dhcp on your linux box :) |
| 03:05.12 | k8to | my view is that fibre channel is a hoax |
| 03:05.15 | noda | Tchiak: Or if you stop it on the router |
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| 03:05.22 | k8to | it costs way too damn much money for the stuff that's any good for what it offers |
| 03:05.26 | Wyzard | cafuego: Lots of improvement can happen in a year and a half |
| 03:05.36 | wiak | where do all the executable files in debian? |
| 03:05.36 | simonrvn | k8to: tell that to the HDD manufacturers that make them |
| 03:05.38 | cafuego | Wyzard: Either way, I'm quite happy to keep not touching it for years to come. |
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| 03:05.52 | Tchiak | the best thing about these computers that our work sold is that they have network install boot right at bios |
| 03:05.53 | Tchiak | :P |
| 03:05.53 | k8to | and there's a ton of stupid variables of connector style and cabling types and etc. that make it a big PITA |
| 03:05.53 | cafuego | wiak: what? |
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| 03:06.10 | wiak | where is all executable file in debian? |
| 03:06.20 | wiak | file's |
| 03:06.22 | Wyzard | cafuego: Well, I'd rather use it than RAID-append |
| 03:06.25 | k8to | simonrvn: sure sometimes you need something with distance and concentration, but it just costs more than it needs to |
| 03:06.27 | cafuego | wiak: /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin mainly. |
| 03:06.31 | Tchiak | i need to get it set up so i can install debian on another machine |
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| 03:06.43 | noda | wiak: If you mean "where do you find executable files in Debian", then it's the same as any Linux distro: /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin |
| 03:06.48 | Wyzard | cafuego: Just for joining disks, not for redundancy |
| 03:06.52 | Tchiak | w/o install an install medium |
| 03:06.53 | Tchiak | :P |
| 03:06.57 | noda | wiak: Or any file you want: just "chmod +x file_you_want_executable" |
| 03:06.58 | cafuego | Wyzard: I would by far prefer a hardware based solution like raid. |
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| 03:07.03 | k8to | wiak: to find a particular executable you can type 'which programname' |
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| 03:07.18 | k8to | wiak: if you mean, where are the .exe files, linux does not use extensions on executables |
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| 03:07.20 | iscsi | wiak: or often /usr/local/bin + sbin if self-compiled. use whereis and locate |
| 03:07.22 | marcot | Hello. What modules should I use to make my sound work in debian? I use the 2.4.23 kernel and I have alredy turned on my soundboard module. |
| 03:07.22 | wiak | strerror_work: do not run ircd setuid root. Make it setuid a normal user. |
| 03:07.24 | wiak | ed! |
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| 03:07.31 | Wyzard | cafuego: Even if you're not doing any mirroring? |
| 03:07.33 | wiak | strerror_work: do not run ircd setuid root. Make it setuid a normal user. |
| 03:07.34 | wiak | hehe |
| 03:07.37 | buht-lick | can u limit users to their home directory? i want to give some friends access to a box but dont want them snooping around |
| 03:07.45 | dondelelcaro | ircd shouldn't be setuid anything. |
| 03:07.51 | cafuego | Wyzard: Yep |
| 03:07.57 | dondelelcaro | buht-lick: no. |
| 03:07.57 | Wyzard | cafuego: Why? |
| 03:07.59 | noda | buht-lick: You can chroot them... |
| 03:08.02 | k8to | maybe that error means just uid? |
| 03:08.02 | cafuego | buht-lick: chroot |
| 03:08.08 | wiak | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 03:08.09 | buht-lick | chroot on login? |
| 03:08.12 | noda | buht-lick: Would mean running an sshd just for them, and creating a chroot. |
| 03:08.15 | Sub_Liminal | lol ok i'm trying to get ipmasq going with a 2.4.19 kern, i enabled a lot of different things and now i'm down to i think my last error message, i'm getting iptables: No chain/target/match by that name when I run ipmasq |
| 03:08.16 | noda | Oh, on login? Dunno :) |
| 03:08.18 | k8to | making ircd setuid is very strange |
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| 03:08.24 | buht-lick | noda: already running sshd |
| 03:08.25 | cafuego | Wyzard: less hassle to set up, more reliable, faster. |
| 03:08.37 | Tchiak | ack.. hard boot |
| 03:08.40 | Tchiak | theres a first |
| 03:08.48 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: It might be possible to do using systrace... restrict the use of chdir |
| 03:08.52 | Tchiak | this is gonna need a clean boot |
| 03:08.53 | cafuego | buht-lick: The only PITA is setting up the chroot with pam support. |
| 03:08.54 | noda | buht-lick: chrooting is a pretty tricky process. You can google for HOWTO's if you really think it's worthwhile (I don't) |
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| 03:09.14 | simonrvn | @rah00 |
| 03:09.15 | ravenbird | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 03:09.16 | k8to | pam :( |
| 03:09.20 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: sure, but it won't give you any advantage... |
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| 03:09.22 | buht-lick | k ill read up |
| 03:09.23 | cafuego | buht-lick: Or you can set up a UML server on a second IP on the same box and allow them into that. |
| 03:09.24 | rahul | @penixstrike simonrvn |
| 03:09.26 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:09.33 | Tchiak | question: using just one floopy to boot the install kernel is it possible for me to specify a network drive for the rest of debian install? |
| 03:09.36 | simonrvn | @forget penixstrike |
| 03:09.37 | ravenbird | simonrvn: i didn't have anything called 'penixstrike' |
| 03:09.39 | buht-lick | cafuego: dont have nother box, ill have to chroot |
| 03:09.41 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: you don't need to use chdir at all to see what files are around. |
| 03:09.43 | cafuego | !cricket rahul |
| 03:09.44 | wiak | can't find ircd anywhere :/ |
| 03:09.48 | cafuego | buht-lick: uml *is* another box. |
| 03:09.49 | rahul | heh |
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| 03:09.56 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 03:10.03 | billyoc | lol |
| 03:10.10 | simonrvn | @tell root about root |
| 03:10.11 | buht-lick | cafuego: dont have another box :) |
| 03:10.16 | wiak | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY hgas landed! |
| 03:10.19 | noda | dondelelcaro: Right, but you have to use chroot to *not* see what files are around :) |
| 03:10.21 | k8to | uml is a virtual linux installation running inside a set of processes |
| 03:10.27 | wiak | lol |
| 03:10.27 | cafuego | buht-lick: Read what I'm saying, THEN complain |
| 03:10.34 | noda | ...with any kind of reliability, that is. |
| 03:10.43 | k8to | it's somewhat comparable to something like vmware |
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| 03:10.55 | k8to | you run a linux installation inside a special program |
| 03:11.09 | cafuego | k8to: it's doesn't emulate anything, vmware does. |
| 03:11.11 | buht-lick | cafuego: uml is another box.... i dont have another one to use ? |
| 03:11.11 | k8to | which gives you similar safety to a jail |
| 03:11.17 | Wyzard | cafuego: You have me curious... I'll do a test later (once I have two empty disks available) to see whether LVM can handle losing the first volume in a group |
| 03:11.21 | noda | buht-lick: You don't need another one. |
| 03:11.26 | dondelelcaro | noda: in general yes, but even a chroot won't avail you much, as the users will still have to access /bin, /usr/bin, /lib /usr/lib and a few other locations. |
| 03:11.27 | k8to | cafuego: yes yes, but conceptually it's a machine within a machine, although implemented totally differently |
| 03:11.28 | buht-lick | ok |
| 03:11.29 | noda | buht-lick: UML is a virtual box. It doesn't REALLY exist. |
| 03:11.32 | cafuego | buht-lick: uml will *provide* another box on your current one. |
| 03:11.32 | buht-lick | oh |
| 03:11.38 | buht-lick | that easier than chroot ssh? |
| 03:11.43 | dondelelcaro | noda: most people who want to keep their users in the home directory don't understand what they're trying to do. |
| 03:11.47 | cafuego | buht-lick: yes, by a lot. |
| 03:11.48 | noda | dondelelcaro: No they don't. They have access to the new chroot jail versions of /bin, /usr/bin, etc. |
| 03:11.55 | buht-lick | cafuego: where or what should i read? |
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| 03:12.00 | noda | dondelelcaro: Which are empty except for the bare essentials. |
| 03:12.04 | k8to | buht-lick: User Mode Linux is a complete additional linux install which runs as a program on your existing linux install |
| 03:12.04 | unmada | I compiled soundcore with the 'built-in' option, I need to compile it as a module to run sndconfig? (kernel 2.4.19) |
| 03:12.05 | sdwarfs | ok, thats better than root ;) |
| 03:12.05 | buht-lick | cafuego: will they be able to use my vhosts? |
| 03:12.17 | cafuego | buht-lick: apt-get install user-mode-linux; read the docs in /usr/share/doc/user-mode-linux |
| 03:12.20 | noda | dondelelcaro: I'll agree about the "most people" statement though :) |
| 03:12.21 | Orhad | hi, i just used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and whipped through the settings |
| 03:12.22 | cafuego | buht-lick: Yes. |
| 03:12.26 | buht-lick | cafuego: sweet |
| 03:12.29 | k8to | is there a nice UML package for debian that makes this easy? |
| 03:12.29 | cafuego | buht-lick: You can ssh into it etc |
| 03:12.31 | k8to | oh |
| 03:12.34 | k8to | you just said |
| 03:12.34 | Orhad | now when i boot, it tries to load gdm, and my monitor goes black |
| 03:12.36 | k8to | hah |
| 03:12.37 | cafuego | !cricket k8to |
| 03:12.38 | dondelelcaro | noda: once they're chrooted, it becomes /usr/lib yada yada... |
| 03:12.41 | Orhad | and all the lights on my monitor start blinking |
| 03:12.46 | Orhad | and i mean ALL of them hehe |
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| 03:12.49 | k8to | i last played with UML in 2000 |
| 03:12.54 | k8to | it was a bit more work than that |
| 03:13.12 | Orhad | is there anyway for me to reconnect and reconfigure it |
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| 03:13.17 | k8to | !crockery cafuego |
| 03:13.19 | Wyzard | cafuego: I recently accidentally swapped two of the disks I use for LVM (connected each to the wrong IDE cable) and was surprised to find that LVM brought the volume group online just fine anyway |
| 03:13.19 | tix64 | k8to: play again :P |
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| 03:13.26 | noda | dondelelcaro: A bare chroot jail has... /usr/lib/libc.so.6 and maybe a networking library or two. No more than 5 files. The point is, it's *not* your system's REAL /usr/lib. |
| 03:13.29 | dondelelcaro | noda: so even with a chroot, they're still "outside of their home directory" |
| 03:13.29 | k8to | tix64: no need just now |
| 03:13.34 | cafuego | Wyzard: Either way, I'm quite happy to keep not touching it for years to come. |
| 03:13.40 | noda | dondelelcaro: Well, depends where you're chrooting them :P |
| 03:13.59 | k8to | CHROOT! |
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| 03:14.14 | Orhad | actually... maybe i can ssh to it |
| 03:14.20 | k8to | it's like a badly made brass instrument |
| 03:14.39 | noda | cafuego: Or else... ... you'll be very upset? :) |
| 03:14.46 | sdwarfs | I have the following problem: I -have to- use some older software on debian... it uses libtcl but -ltcl doent work to compile (even /usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so.1 exists and I also tried -ltcl8.3 and symlinking the file to /usr/lib/libtcl.so.1 and libtcl.so.0) |
| 03:14.53 | noda | cafuego: I told my memory it'd better not be defective. It was. So I'm installing Debian now :P |
| 03:14.54 | sdwarfs | Anyone can help? |
| 03:14.55 | cafuego | noda: or else I'll have to get the 2.4.23 source and build that |
| 03:15.01 | noda | Heh :) |
| 03:15.11 | cafuego | noda: ... which will take ANOTHER 3 hour. |
| 03:15.19 | noda | cafuego: 3 hours to compile? OUCH :( |
| 03:15.31 | k8to | sdwarfs: did you install tcl-dev? |
| 03:15.36 | X-Treme | how to set a default gateway ? |
| 03:15.37 | cafuego | noda: Yah, 2.6.1-rc1 on a 603ev/300 |
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| 03:15.39 | noda | x |
| 03:15.46 | Justin_ | cafuego: why don't you compile it on a faster computer? |
| 03:15.47 | buht-lick | cafuego: noda: thanks... gonna go through these uml steps! :) |
| 03:15.47 | k8to | sdwarfs: also, did you know that tcl is not compatable across many versions |
| 03:16.00 | k8to | sdwarfs: so programs written for tcl7 probably require tcl7 NOT tcl8 |
| 03:16.01 | sdwarfs | k8to: I'll check this, even I think it is |
| 03:16.07 | cafuego | Justin_: Coz I REALLY don't want to be using a crosscompiler on the Athlon. |
| 03:16.27 | cafuego | Justin_: And the G3 is not available. |
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| 03:16.30 | Justin_ | cafuego: it would be faster than waiting 3 hours... |
| 03:16.31 | k8to | sdwarfs: i have hand-edited some to change them over at times, but sometimes it's not possible |
| 03:16.33 | sdwarfs | sdwarfs: but in that case it should have a diffrent failure-output |
| 03:16.52 | noda | Oh, anybody out there who's new to Linux: Always put /home on a separate partition when installing Linux on a desktop box. You'll be grateful someday :) |
| 03:16.59 | cafuego | Actually, does distcc support cross-compiling? |
| 03:17.09 | k8to | noda: hmm, whyso? |
| 03:17.12 | sdwarfs | k8to: The Error is "ld: cannot find -ltcl" |
| 03:17.15 | cafuego | noda: Nah, just use an 80Gb / |
| 03:17.21 | k8to | noda: i put them all on one partition these days |
| 03:17.29 | noda | k8to: Well, my / partition committed suicide today. But /home is intact! :) |
| 03:17.39 | k8to | noda: oh, i back up every week |
| 03:17.41 | noda | Anyone ever hear of defective memory scrapping a hard drive? |
| 03:17.44 | cafuego | noda: That's what backups are for. |
| 03:17.46 | noda | k8to: Oh. I don't ever back up ;) |
| 03:17.48 | noda | lol |
| 03:18.04 | k8to | noda: I just mount /mounts/backup |
| 03:18.08 | k8to | then cp -r / /mounts/backup |
| 03:18.08 | k8to | or whatever |
| 03:18.12 | k8to | actually rsync |
| 03:18.23 | k8to | telling it to only care about file dates |
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| 03:18.49 | k8to | it's like a very inefficient raid |
| 03:19.12 | sdwarfs | k8to: seems tcl8.3-dev wasnt installed... lets see, if it changes the error-message (dont think so) |
| 03:19.23 | noda | I ought to set up a backup computer at some point. |
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| 03:19.31 | k8to | sdwarfs: what is your error? i didn't see |
| 03:20.18 | sdwarfs | k8to: Errormessage is: "ld: cannot find -ltcl" |
| 03:20.20 | Justin_ | k8to: uh, if you dont backup permissions and stuff, your backup is mostly useless |
| 03:20.26 | delire | so is debian going to do anything about KISS's apparent distribution (and apparent subsequent violation of the GPL) of the MAD libs? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/03/146209 |
| 03:20.27 | X-Treme | where can I get .deb packages ? |
| 03:20.35 | noda | sdwarfs: What if you run /sbin/ldconfig? |
| 03:20.41 | cafuego | X-Treme: everywhere |
| 03:20.53 | noda | delire: I can't imagine why, it's not Debian's problem. |
| 03:21.03 | sdwarfs | noda: hmm... I dont know... I'll just try that |
| 03:21.10 | delire | noda: lol it seems mplayer have made it their problem |
| 03:21.22 | noda | It is mplayer's problem, isn't it? |
| 03:21.31 | tix64 | delire: such things can only be done by the copyright holders. |
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| 03:21.53 | sdwarfs | noda: ldconfig runs, but doent give any output...? any parameters missing? |
| 03:21.55 | X-Treme | i need to get the pump package but I can't use apt-get... |
| 03:22.03 | noda | sdwarfs: No, it did what it should. Now try your command again :) |
| 03:22.03 | k8to | 4th try: How can one determine which packages are installed from which track rapidly? Ie. what's from testing and what's from unstable? (I'll be happy even with an "I don't know" answer) |
| 03:22.07 | cafuego | sdwarfs: ldconfig -v | grep tcl |
| 03:22.14 | noda | sdwarfs: It rebuilds the library cache, so maybe "tcl" will be put in now :) |
| 03:22.14 | Justin_ | delire: uh, where the hell do you get MAD from? |
| 03:22.30 | sdwarfs | one second |
| 03:22.33 | k8to | justin: yes, but i do backup permissions and stuff |
| 03:22.39 | delire | Justin_: as a debian package.. no seriously yes i am aware it's really mplayer's problem |
| 03:22.57 | k8to | justin: i booted the backup at one point to be sure it was kosher |
| 03:22.58 | noda | delire: I doubt they installed the Debian package. |
| 03:23.41 | k8to | MAD as in madplay? |
| 03:23.46 | Justin_ | k8to: then you're not "telling it to only care about file dates" |
| 03:23.46 | k8to | oh |
| 03:23.47 | k8to | that |
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| 03:23.58 | k8to | justin: for determining which files to copy |
| 03:24.10 | sdwarfs | noda: "ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libpgtcl.so: No such file or directory" |
| 03:24.11 | wiak | anyone knows where all the deomon services goes? |
| 03:24.18 | [Outlaw] | Hi guys, is there such a program as "screen" which works for GUI applications? |
| 03:24.22 | k8to | justin: instead of doing the rolling checksum jazz which would not save ANY time at all on a local copy |
| 03:24.22 | wiak | wich folder |
| 03:24.23 | delire | Justin_: but i wonder if one day distributors will also be involved in watching, and defending against abuses of the GPL.. |
| 03:24.28 | sdwarfs | noda: " libtcl8.3.so.1 -> libtcl8.3.so.1" |
| 03:24.45 | Wyzard | [Outlaw]: How would that be different from a window manager? |
| 03:24.47 | noda | [Outlaw]: What kind of behavior would you expect? |
| 03:25.00 | noda | sdwarfs: I'm lost... |
| 03:25.07 | [Outlaw] | Well, I'd like to run a program, background it, then bring it up on another computer via SSH |
| 03:25.23 | cafuego | [Outlaw]: apt-get install screen |
| 03:25.23 | Wyzard | [Outlaw]: xmove |
| 03:25.24 | sdwarfs | noda: What should that mean: "ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libpgtcl.so: No such file or directory" |
| 03:25.30 | delire | [Outlaw]: screen |
| 03:25.32 | k8to | outlaw: you mean controlling it via an ssh session? |
| 03:25.37 | noda | I imagine that there's no such file or directory... |
| 03:25.38 | k8to | outlaw: i recommend (like others) screen |
| 03:25.41 | [Outlaw] | Hmm |
| 03:25.46 | [Outlaw] | Yeah, I use screen for console apps. |
| 03:25.47 | cafuego | Oh, screen for X apps? No... vnc maybe... |
| 03:25.48 | Toastafari | Hey peeps, anyone know why xfree is ignoring the BusID option in /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 ? |
| 03:25.49 | k8to | via which I am ircing right now |
| 03:25.57 | [Outlaw] | Yeah, for X apps. :/ |
| 03:26.02 | Wyzard | [Outlaw]: xmove |
| 03:26.04 | k8to | i believe xmove does what you want |
| 03:26.06 | noda | [Outlaw]: Oh, you want to move X apps from one computer to another... xmove |
| 03:26.06 | delire | [Outlaw]: pick up a detached session on another machine, assuming you can login as the same user |
| 03:26.08 | [Outlaw] | Cool, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 03:26.12 | sdwarfs | noda: sure, "stat" is for getting infos about files |
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| 03:26.23 | cafuego | sdwarfs: That's probably a dangling symlink... |
| 03:26.29 | noda | sdwarfs: You'll have to excuse me, I'm doing 5 things at once here... |
| 03:26.29 | delire | Alisson: ooopsy daisy |
| 03:26.41 | k8to | i'm kind of sad that you can't do something screenlike without launching programs under screen to begin with |
| 03:26.44 | sdwarfs | noda: sure, thanks so far |
| 03:26.49 | [Outlaw] | Yep, xmove sounds great. Thanks guys. :) |
| 03:26.52 | cafuego | sdwarfs: in other words: not really anything to worry about |
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| 03:27.09 | k8to | well, i bet you could, but it might be ugly somehow |
| 03:27.33 | delire | k8to: lol what do you expect? it *has* to be hosted in a distributable session context |
| 03:27.49 | delire | k8to: though i think kdm (from kde) provides something similar |
| 03:29.04 | delire | Alisson: nice process table |
| 03:29.10 | sdwarfs | help |
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| 03:29.19 | delire | hehe |
| 03:29.22 | Toastafari | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" /var/log/XFree86.0.log: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:02:0 \ Anyone know why this is happening? |
| 03:29.48 | k8to | delire: why does it have to? |
| 03:30.09 | k8to | delire: i mean, doesn't expect get aroudn this limitation? |
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| 03:30.33 | k8to | i mean, it might require modifying the tty infrastructure |
| 03:30.43 | k8to | but screen with the keyboard overloading is a bit heavyhanded |
| 03:30.50 | delire | k8to: well you mean connecting to a running process id? sounds like an arse to me |
| 03:31.08 | k8to | i bet it falls down with terminal management |
| 03:31.21 | k8to | since the state of the terminals is different |
| 03:31.23 | delire | k8to: therefore, and for benefit of security, you should have to be a user that is *allowed* to connect to that process |
| 03:31.25 | Tchiak | if in "The Matrix" people are software and bullets kill people.. wouldn't the bullets be the kill -9? |
| 03:31.35 | k8to | delire: oh, you could do that either ay |
| 03:31.36 | k8to | way |
| 03:31.40 | delire | k8to: screen can be thought of as a terminal manager |
| 03:31.50 | k8to | yes ! |
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| 03:31.58 | k8to | but I prefer X |
| 03:32.03 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: hmm... only kill, thought |
| 03:32.05 | buht | cafuego: done. it says it mounts on /dev .... what now :) im at the end of the readme |
| 03:32.08 | k8to | and/or linux virtual consoles |
| 03:32.19 | Tchiak | well it depends on where the shot lands.. wouldn't it sdwarf |
| 03:32.25 | delire | k8to: well then if you don't like ssh -X <host> the kdm perhaps.. |
| 03:32.28 | Wyzard | Tchiak: After the first movie I figured that Neo's blowing up of Smith amounted to deleting him so his process couldn't be restarted |
| 03:32.34 | Tchiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.35 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: since kill -9 would kill them even when you hit their feet |
| 03:32.37 | delire | k8to: then try kde perhaps |
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| 03:32.48 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: right |
| 03:32.48 | Wyzard | Tchiak: (Of course, the second movie contradicts that idea) |
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| 03:33.02 | delire | Wyzard: no, the matrix is simply shithouse |
| 03:33.04 | Tchiak | i think neo "rm -f" to agent smith |
| 03:33.04 | buht | cafuego: n/m wait... got some build problems after configuring the kernel (dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-patch-uml (= 20020413-1)) |
| 03:33.14 | Tchiak | and in the second one he is a backup |
| 03:33.22 | MikeH | is it possible to open a port range with iptables? |
| 03:33.36 | k8to | whyisthematrix |
| 03:34.14 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: but neo forgot to wipe the disk afterwards... so someone could do debugfs and restore his files |
| 03:34.16 | buht | cafuego: do i need to select uml somewhere in the patched kernel config? |
| 03:34.18 | delire | bad and boring ideas borrowed from the worst cyberpunk paperbacks written 15 years earlier |
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| 03:34.44 | delire | IMVHO |
| 03:34.48 | k8to | hah i liked gibson |
| 03:34.51 | k8to | for a flash |
| 03:34.52 | delire | precis ;) |
| 03:35.00 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: and as there were some bytes written over by neos code, he got some of his skills |
| 03:35.06 | noda | x |
| 03:35.10 | noda | whoops |
| 03:35.16 | [Outlaw] | Hmm - I don't know if xmove is right, actually. Can you make a program, say xmms (which is already running on the local computer) forwarded to another computer on demand? |
| 03:35.20 | Tchiak | so "ln" sdwarfs? |
| 03:35.28 | noda | [Outlaw]: Yes. It's like screen. |
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| 03:35.36 | [Outlaw] | Ah...ok |
| 03:35.41 | noda | [Outlaw]: I dunno about the *sound*... |
| 03:35.44 | delire | [Outlaw]: again i think kdm does this |
| 03:35.57 | delire | noda: jackit.sf.net perhaps? ;) |
| 03:36.16 | [Outlaw] | xmms was an example. I'd be using it for Gaim |
| 03:36.17 | k8to | i am a pegleg parrot |
| 03:36.26 | noda | [Outlaw]: If all you want is xmms... just log in through ssh and use xmms -p, xmms -s, xmms -n, etc. |
| 03:36.31 | noda | [Outlaw]: They control xmms :) |
| 03:36.43 | [Outlaw] | Well, ok, let's say a generic program. :) |
| 03:36.44 | k8to | i like the xmms command line |
| 03:36.50 | delire | kdm manages a collection of X servers, which may be on the local host or |
| 03:36.50 | delire | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.51 | delire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.51 | k8to | i wish xmms could run without an x server though |
| 03:37.05 | Tchiak | i'm gonna install debian over ftp.. will it work if i put the drivers.tgz in the ftp server dir can i access that to install the base system? |
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| 03:37.17 | noda | k8to: Use something else. Rhythmbox is getting pretty cool. |
| 03:37.22 | delire | [Outlaw]: well, there you go |
| 03:37.23 | k8to | i suppose i can use x-dummy, but that's kind of annoying |
| 03:37.24 | sdwarfs | Tchiak: not real... but smith's skill to "overwrite" is like "cp $0 $1" |
| 03:37.24 | zinx | x8: xvfb is an X server. |
| 03:37.28 | zinx | erh, k8 |
| 03:37.37 | rahul | Tchiak: if you need drivers.tgz, it's because you can't connect to the ftp server without that |
| 03:37.38 | k8to | noda: hah, i don't think you realize just how many of the input plugins i use |
| 03:37.41 | tix64 | k8to: but then it wouldnt be _x_mms :P |
| 03:37.44 | [Outlaw] | Hmm |
| 03:37.49 | noda | k8to: input plugins? Like, MAD, ogg, etc? |
| 03:37.53 | X-Treme | does debian have any netconfig-tool ? |
| 03:37.53 | noda | Any media player has those... |
| 03:37.58 | Tchiak | i'm trying to find out the best way to do an install over a network |
| 03:38.06 | delire | [Outlaw]: 'apt-cache show kdm' for more |
| 03:38.14 | k8to | noda: yes, also sidplay, tfmx, dumb, modplug, bassmod, etc. etc. |
| 03:38.14 | Tchiak | so i just bootup with the installs rescue disk |
| 03:38.20 | Tchiak | and install the rest from there |
| 03:38.30 | noda | Can't gstreamer do all those? |
| 03:38.38 | k8to | not. even. close. |
| 03:38.45 | noda | k8to: Ever hear of "quark?" I'm not sure whether development stopped or not, but it was cool. |
| 03:38.46 | zinx | k8to: just use xvfb :x |
| 03:38.48 | tix64 | k8to: use cplay and let it use all the nice players :) |
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| 03:39.01 | k8to | also, the players i've found for gstreamer don't seem to like the idea of things like files with more than one stream in them |
| 03:39.05 | ToreSB | Does anyone here have broadband, and a teleconferencing program? (GNOME-meeting, netmeeting) |
| 03:39.08 | ToreSB | I need to test some stuff for a big demonstration tomorrow |
| 03:39.11 | k8to | zinx: is that a dummy x server? |
| 03:39.20 | zinx | k8to: yeah, more or less |
| 03:39.23 | k8to | tix: i like cplay, but some players aren't available standalone |
| 03:39.35 | k8to | zinx: well i'm USUALLY running an X server |
| 03:39.40 | k8to | zinx: so i just live with it for now |
| 03:39.41 | zinx | k8to: it's the virtual framebuffer server (i.e., it doesn't display except virtually) |
| 03:39.45 | zinx | k8to: heh :) |
| 03:39.59 | sdwarfs | JUST one more questions about that -l<libname> switch... How does gcc or ld find the .so-Files? I mean it looks in the Lib-Paths and puts "lib" in front of the name.... but the rest? "8.3.so.0"? |
| 03:40.04 | tix64 | k8to: oh, i'm working on a console modplug player right now. one that behaves cplay-friendly. |
| 03:40.10 | k8to | zinx: but i'd much prefer cplay if i could use it since xmms crashes every few hours |
| 03:40.24 | Vandalite | anyone here wanna answer a kernel-compile question? |
| 03:40.30 | zinx | k8to: xmms shouldn't be crashing, but with your lineup of plugins i don't doubt it. especially modplug :/ |
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| 03:40.48 | k8to | zinx: oh, it's quite obviously plugin problems |
| 03:41.02 | noda | lol |
| 03:41.03 | k8to | zinx: but without a debugger, xmms gives me basically no hints as to where the trouble could lie |
| 03:41.20 | k8to | zinx: it would be nice if xmms would externalize the input interface |
| 03:41.21 | zinx | k8to: gdb is a debugger :/ |
| 03:41.30 | k8to | no i mean.. :D if i'm not using one |
| 03:41.33 | zinx | hehe |
| 03:41.50 | zinx | k8to: they run in the same address space for performance reasons |
| 03:41.55 | delire | hmm |
| 03:42.04 | Vandalite | does anyone know exactly what causes this error during boot? (compiled kernel): ds: no socket drivers loaded! -- the side effect being a dead network? |
| 03:42.23 | delire | Vandalite: pcmcia socket driver? cardbus? |
| 03:42.26 | k8to | zinx: yes i'm aware |
| 03:42.35 | Vandalite | i don't use pcmcia |
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| 03:42.45 | Vandalite | its a pcnet32 ethernet card. (vmware anyone?) |
| 03:42.46 | k8to | zinx: but just some basic reporting of problems encountered at runtime would help a lot |
| 03:42.51 | delire | Vandalite: well as far as i'm aware ds relates to pcmcia |
| 03:43.10 | k8to | zinx: i'm also kind of annoyed with xmms in that it does things like checks every file in a playlist before playing the first file |
| 03:43.11 | delire | Vandalite: maybe i am wrong here.. |
| 03:43.19 | buht | how can i apply uml-patch-2.4.18-13.bz2 to the current folder im in with bzip -d , i dont want it ot patch my /usr/src/linux directory |
| 03:43.21 | delire | Vandalite: maybe you need cardbus anyway |
| 03:43.37 | Vandalite | ugg... module or kernel? |
| 03:43.38 | k8to | zinx: if I have ten thousand entries I get to wait a very very long time before it plays anything |
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| 03:43.56 | delire | Vandalite: modprobe -l | grep cardbus |
| 03:43.57 | Vandalite | note i'm NOT using Vfs. |
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| 03:44.40 | [Outlaw] | This xmove thing appears hard to use |
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| 03:45.07 | david | anyone here have any experience installing MPlayer on woody from source? |
| 03:45.29 | david | apparently I need X devel package... is this simply xlib6g-devel? |
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| 03:45.54 | k8to | zinx: did i mention that i hate the gui? and that the developers seem uninterested in fixing any interface (plugin) issues? ..etc? .... :( |
| 03:46.01 | k8to | zinx: :DDDDD |
| 03:46.07 | zinx | k8to: uhm |
| 03:46.24 | zinx | k8to: yeah, they seem uninterested, yet they're writing xmms2 to address the plugin API issues |
| 03:46.32 | zinx | k8to: mmmmkay |
| 03:46.43 | bztunk | xmms stuff again? |
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| 03:47.13 | delire | oops kev |
| 03:47.32 | k8to | hah, i mean things like multiple songs per file for which unofficial patches have existed for years |
| 03:47.40 | k8to | (backwards compatable etc) |
| 03:47.54 | k8to | just a matter of integrating and/or updating them |
| 03:48.03 | zinx | i haven't seen any of those patches :/ |
| 03:48.18 | zinx | are they listed in the bug tracker? |
| 03:48.24 | k8to | are you in a position to use them? |
| 03:48.26 | ToreSB | Will someone just please h323 to 217.118.53.190, so I can test video and audio? |
| 03:48.27 | k8to | i can go dig them up |
| 03:48.42 | ToreSB | (h323 = gnome-meeting) |
| 03:48.52 | k8to | no idea if they're in the patch tracker |
| 03:48.57 | k8to | which might postdate them for all i know |
| 03:49.00 | Tchiak | i always wondered about matrix: revolutions... if EMP is the only effective weapon against the machines.. then why the hell don't they have EMP devices in the freakin dock and city? |
| 03:49.02 | cafuego | shit, boot failed again |
| 03:49.20 | no_maam_ | the other question is, why are their ships emp-safe? |
| 03:49.21 | k8to | tchiak: don't bother poking holes |
| 03:49.26 | Tchiak | :P |
| 03:49.32 | Tchiak | it would make sense to me |
| 03:49.35 | bztunk | who cares |
| 03:49.39 | k8to | tchiak: the movie is already full of them |
| 03:49.49 | Tchiak | let's load those apc's with emp guns and have emp bombs all over the dock :P |
| 03:49.56 | Tchiak | it would f*ck them up |
| 03:50.35 | zinx | k8to: well, dig it up, because i didn't even know they existed :) |
| 03:50.48 | ToreSB | Tchiak: The Matrix isn`t there for the script. It`s there for the budget and the punching and the woooosh and the.. mm-hai |
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| 03:51.16 | Tchiak | the scene with the apu's firing upwards all at once was pretty freakin cool |
| 03:51.22 | zinx | k8to: breif checking suggests no one else has heard of them either |
| 03:51.25 | ToreSB | cafuego: Hmm, thanks |
| 03:51.29 | k8to | zinx: digging... (promising nothing) |
| 03:51.32 | zinx | k8to: (well, at least devels) |
| 03:51.42 | quant | i tried doing this: ln -d /data/Media/Music Music and i got this error: ln: creating hard link `Music' to `/data/Media/Music': Invalid cross-device link <-- what did i do wrong? |
| 03:51.57 | k8to | zinx: where do the devels communicate? |
| 03:52.05 | zinx | k8to: #xmms |
| 03:52.08 | k8to | zinx: i raised about 8-10 issues on the mailing list and got no response |
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| 03:52.16 | k8to | zinx: other than someone saying "yeah i agree" |
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| 03:52.24 | Tchiak | some of the plot holes in the matrix make sense if you remove half of your cortex |
| 03:52.39 | k8to | tchiak: to make room for implants? |
| 03:52.43 | cafuego | ToreSB: Not getting any video |
| 03:52.45 | buht-lick | cafuego: u here :) , every time i run the dpkg-build... command i get this "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-patch-uml (= 20020413-1)" , ive followed the directions in the README and have had no problems so far... |
| 03:52.58 | k8to | zinx: hmm.. i think delivering criticisms to an irc channel would seem like whinging (this does.... ... :() |
| 03:52.59 | Tchiak | no.. just to enjoy the movie as it wase meant to be enjoyed :P |
| 03:53.08 | buht-lick | cafuego: as far as the kernel, i set it up, did a make ARCH=um dep afterwards too. but the build still failed |
| 03:53.11 | cafuego | buht-lick: You don't need to pastch you kernel, just install user-mode-linux |
| 03:53.17 | buht-lick | cafuego: i did |
| 03:53.25 | k8to | tchiak: (a small joke ...) |
| 03:53.29 | cafuego | buht-lick: What are you patching dfor then? |
| 03:53.34 | buht-lick | cafuego: im on the last step of the directions. |
| 03:53.44 | cafuego | buht-lick: What do they say? |
| 03:53.47 | ToreSB | cafuego: You got disconnected, it seems |
| 03:53.48 | zinx | k8to: heh |
| 03:53.49 | buht-lick | cafuego: im not patching shit, its telling me that the dependency isny met |
| 03:53.50 | Tchiak | "Person1>this movie had so many plotholes. Person2> Did it kick ass? Person1>Yes Person2>then shut the f*ck up" |
| 03:54.04 | zinx | k8to: well, the bug tracker is the next best place, w/ proper severity listing |
| 03:54.05 | buht-lick | cafuego: may i paste 5 lines to you in query? |
| 03:54.11 | k8to | i'm trying to figure out where xmms 2 was announced |
| 03:54.18 | zinx | k8to: it wasn't, it's in development |
| 03:54.23 | k8to | i mean |
| 03:54.25 | cafuego | buht-lick: You may, but you can't. |
| 03:54.26 | k8to | "we're working on it" |
| 03:54.35 | buht-lick | ok |
| 03:54.37 | buht-lick | well... |
| 03:54.41 | zinx | k8to: it's just sort of going to appear one day |
| 03:54.46 | buht-lick | when i do the last item of the directions, which is the buildpackage |
| 03:54.46 | k8to | oh |
| 03:54.52 | buht-lick | it checks some dependencies and quits |
| 03:54.57 | k8to | one of my criticisms of xmms is that the devteam is uncommunicative |
| 03:54.59 | zinx | k8to: you can get it via.. erh? svn? maybe bitkeeper, not sure |
| 03:55.00 | k8to | :D |
| 03:55.06 | zinx | k8to: heh, #xmms :) |
| 03:55.13 | buht-lick | cafuego: you actually configure the kernel that is going to be run in uml mode |
| 03:55.15 | zinx | k8to: most have little time, though |
| 03:55.39 | k8to | well that part I understand |
| 03:55.39 | rdancer_1 | anybody: why dhclient wouldn't run until CONFIG_FILTER=y ? |
| 03:55.43 | k8to | irc just seems really time-wasteful |
| 03:55.47 | k8to | i know i waste too much on it |
| 03:55.52 | zinx | hehe :) |
| 03:55.59 | rdancer_1 | k8to: :-)) |
| 03:56.00 | cafuego | buht-lick: No, that is /usr/bin/linux, which was in the user-mode-linux package. |
| 03:56.04 | k8to | rdancer: execute? or get a license |
| 03:56.16 | k8to | i don't know what CONFIG_FILTER is |
| 03:56.29 | k8to | is that a kernel option? |
| 03:56.32 | k8to | or a dhclient option |
| 03:56.42 | buht-lick | cafuego: im running the dpkg-build etc shit from "/root/user-mode-linux-2.4.18.17um" |
| 03:56.52 | Tchiak | if the matrix ran off of a modern day operating system.. which one would it be run off of? Windows, cause everyone can hack into it |
| 03:56.58 | buht-lick | cafuego: as wel as the make ARCH=um config |
| 03:57.18 | rdancer_1 | k8to: yes kernel config option |
| 03:57.18 | bztunk | Tchiak: that's an easy joke |
| 03:57.21 | k8to | does user-mode-linux not come witha pre-built kernel? |
| 03:57.22 | cafuego | buht-lick: Just install the binary, don't compile it. |
| 03:57.28 | cafuego | k8to: Yes it does. |
| 03:57.32 | k8to | okay so |
| 03:57.39 | cafuego | ToreSB: You sound like a mobile phone gone completely wrong. |
| 03:57.46 | buht-lick | cafuego: ok.. well the directions fetch the source and all that shit |
| 03:57.49 | Tchiak | also you can only view it encrypted |
| 03:57.50 | k8to | next question, what is going to be necessary to convince buht-lick that he's going about htis the wrong way? |
| 03:57.57 | rdancer_1 | k8to: dhclient runs but tcpdump shows no DHCP request on outbound |
| 03:58.02 | buht-lick | k8to: i followed the directions cafuego pointed me to |
| 03:58.07 | buht-lick | ill just install the binary now |
| 03:58.09 | Tchiak | fatal error: kernel not found |
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| 03:58.18 | buht-lick | 1. $ apt-get source user-mode-linux |
| 03:58.25 | buht-lick | 2. # apt-get build-dep user-mode-linux |
| 03:58.27 | buht-lick | :) |
| 03:58.28 | buht-lick | see |
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| 03:59.11 | rdancer_1 | k8to: It's probably a help bug :-) just if that was st obvious I missed |
| 03:59.12 | buht-lick | cafuego: k binary installed :) ... |
| 03:59.33 | wiak | WHERE is ircd in Debian? MAIN Files not only the .conf files! |
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| 03:59.38 | ecstatix | hi |
| 03:59.43 | k8to | rdancer: i see no reason at all that CONFIG_FILTER would be required |
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| 03:59.55 | pvalley | do you need usbfs in order to use a usb scanner |
| 04:00.01 | k8to | rdancer: perhaps your networking setup scripts oprerate differently in the presence or absence of this feature? |
| 04:00.08 | blal | Hey, all. Bottom-line it for me: what is the latest stable release? |
| 04:00.10 | rdancer_1 | k8to: neither do i. was reported by 2 ppl on debian-user |
| 04:00.14 | buht-lick | cafuego: do u use uml? there any man pages u know of on how to set it up so users ssh to it? |
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| 04:00.24 | k8to | rdancer: (ie. the generic scripts?) |
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| 04:00.38 | k8to | rdancer: i know i used dhclient without that feature in the .. not so recent past |
| 04:00.52 | rdancer_1 | k8to: makes sense, thanks |
| 04:01.03 | k8to | rdancer: i guess your guess is as good as mine |
| 04:01.27 | k8to | rdancer: i'd suspect a) a foolish modification to dhclient, or b) some interaction with network/firewall config scripts |
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| 04:01.35 | pvalley | the reason i am askiing is that i installed a usb scanner and still cant get it running |
| 04:01.43 | rdancer_1 | k8to: do you know for sure it worked? |
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| 04:01.57 | savatage | hi people! |
| 04:01.59 | k8to | rdancer: i used dhclient with my cablemodem over a year ago |
| 04:02.08 | rdancer_1 | k8to: i agree, it didn't come to my mind |
| 04:02.08 | _mechanix | hi d00dz..... |
| 04:02.15 | pvalley | i cant even get xsane runng |
| 04:02.15 | k8to | rdancer: but it might have been with a kernel from SuSE |
| 04:02.25 | blal | For the latest stable, what do I include in /etc/apt/sources.list (I currently have "woody")? Still woody? Sid? Sarge? Something else? |
| 04:02.32 | k8to | rdancer: which i used for a while |
| 04:02.34 | ecstatix | what are the different available mplayerfronteends? |
| 04:02.43 | k8to | i use xine instead of mplayer |
| 04:02.50 | k8to | and i use xine-ui as a frontend to that |
| 04:02.59 | VynoM | ok, I'm going to install debian. I think I want the testing version so I can have newer apps. Is the sarge.netinstall.iso the right file? |
| 04:03.01 | k8to | i recommend this approach, personally |
| 04:03.05 | rdancer_1 | k8to: Suse is ok^H^H --oh my! ;-)) |
| 04:03.26 | peterS | pvalley: I suspect you do need usbdevfs (now known as usbfs), yes |
| 04:03.30 | k8to | rdancer: hah, i worked there for a few years |
| 04:03.38 | pvalley | ok |
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| 04:03.56 | k8to | pvalley: sorry, i've never touched a scanner under any oprating system ever |
| 04:04.22 | ecstatix | VynoM: you can get any iso, but the stable one is preferable. once you have installed the base system, and provided you get your networking set up properly, you can change an entry in one file, and you can start downloading and installing packages from unstable |
| 04:04.30 | rdancer_1 | k8to: :-)) Just i don't give a shit about the holy wars, just pun;-)) |
| 04:04.31 | k8to | pvalley: do you know that the usb jazz is installed/running/detecting anything? |
| 04:04.33 | pvalley | so i should be able to apt-get install usbfs the? |
| 04:04.36 | peterS | pvalley: did you compile a kernel without it, or something? if your kernel supports usbfs, mounting it is pretty trivial |
| 04:04.51 | peterS | pvalley: nothing to apt-get. just make sure your kernel supports it, add a line to /etc/fstab, and voilà |
| 04:04.59 | k8to | rdancer: oh, i dont' really either. but i didn't follow the pun |
| 04:05.10 | pvalley | ok |
| 04:05.11 | peterS | pvalley: here's the line: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
| 04:05.23 | rdancer_1 | k8to: every holy war is either a bullshit or a pun |
| 04:05.29 | noda | Ooh, anybody here ever print something with the printer on your lap? It's pretty fun :) |
| 04:05.39 | VynoM | ecstatix Ah.. ok. I've started the burning of the sarge.iso so I suppose I'll just stick with it. Unless that is really not recommended |
| 04:05.40 | peterS | pvalley: on some less-than-cutting-edge 2.4 kernels, use 'usbdevfs' instead of 'usbfs'. the name was changed in 2.4.20 or so |
| 04:05.46 | rdancer_1 | k8to: ok, it wasnt either, i shall have to develop it next time ;-) |
| 04:05.55 | peterS | pvalley: (you can determine which name to use by consulting /proc/filesystems) |
| 04:05.57 | k8to | rdancer: looking forward to it! |
| 04:05.59 | VynoM | ecstatix I have an APT man page print out infront of me so I've got some reading to do anyway |
| 04:06.01 | pvalley | all i should have to do is add this to fstab and hope it works |
| 04:06.11 | k8to | rdancer: working for SuSE did have a big benefit though, it got me out of the USA |
| 04:06.11 | peterS | pvalley: yeah, then 'mount -a' to mount it |
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| 04:06.29 | pvalley | ok ill give it a shot |
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| 04:06.30 | ecstatix | VynoM: yeah, if you already have, then go ahead :) Just install the base system, config networkingm and set /etc/apt/sources.list to get packages from unstable |
| 04:06.41 | ecstatix | k8to: did'nt SuSE have a team in US? |
| 04:06.46 | k8to | rdancer: they flew me on a plane to Nürnberg but sadly i did not visit the .cz office |
| 04:06.46 | pvalley | will let you know |
| 04:06.48 | VynoM | ecstatix good deal. Thanks. I'm sure I'll be back in a while |
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| 04:06.56 | k8to | ecstatix: yes i was there mostly |
| 04:07.05 | k8to | ecstatix: i lived about a mile away |
| 04:07.05 | rdancer_1 | k8to: hm, I'd desperately would like to get out of CZ |
| 04:07.10 | ecstatix | k8to: ok |
| 04:07.19 | k8to | rdancer: well it's is probably more pleasant to visit than to be stuck |
| 04:07.23 | k8to | -is |
| 04:07.37 | ecstatix | rdancer_1: you country makes a helluva lot of AK 47s, though i prefer the cx22 |
| 04:07.40 | k8to | there are still people at the US office, but not many! |
| 04:07.41 | ecstatix | err, cz22 rather |
| 04:07.44 | k8to | i talk to them from time to time |
| 04:07.50 | rdancer_1 | k8to: definitively |
| 04:08.01 | k8to | they are all sad because they figure they're going to get eliminated as being redundant with novell people |
| 04:08.01 | rdancer_1 | k8to: Tourists love it here |
| 04:08.25 | k8to | rdancer: all the handsome men and women! |
| 04:08.31 | k8to | err |
| 04:08.34 | k8to | and beautiful women |
| 04:08.42 | k8to | or perhaps the old buildings? |
| 04:08.55 | rdancer_1 | ecstatix: AK47 is .ru, not .cz :-) |
| 04:09.02 | k8to | it would have been nice to go anywhere after three weeks in germany though because german food is very very.. :( |
| 04:09.13 | ecstatix | rdancer_1: well, cz makes them and exports. to many countries |
| 04:09.19 | buht-lick | cafuego: looking in dev i dont see any udb entries.... what do you use for root= when launching uml with the linux binary? "VFS: Cannot open root device "ubd0" or 62:00" |
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| 04:09.35 | rdancer_1 | ecstatix: AK47 are definitively Kalashnikov 47, .ru |
| 04:09.47 | k8to | maybe clones? |
| 04:09.50 | rdancer_1 | ecstatix: maybe something similar, it's old design, anyway |
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| 04:10.05 | k8to | do people still make such old guns? |
| 04:10.20 | ecstatix | rdancer_1: yes, they are kalashnikovs, but cz factories still have licenses to manuf them |
| 04:10.23 | ecstatix | yeah |
| 04:10.36 | rdancer_1 | ecstatix: which factory? |
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| 04:10.49 | rdancer_1 | ecstatix: if you happen to know, am interested. |
| 04:11.00 | k8to | maybe you can go and buy some cheap! |
| 04:11.04 | ecstatix | rdancer_1: i dont remember the name. i see a lot of the stuff at the JDW at the school library |
| 04:11.09 | k8to | use them as window decorations? |
| 04:11.11 | rdancer_1 | k8to: yessssir |
| 04:11.13 | ecstatix | rdancer_1: i will tell you nextg time i check |
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| 04:11.31 | Lestat^O^ | Hell.......O! 8-) |
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| 04:11.35 | k8to | okay |
| 04:11.37 | Lestat^O^ | how to copy only files that have beeing changed the jan 4 ? |
| 04:11.41 | ecstatix | though i still have'nt figured out why my school gets the JDW |
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| 04:11.48 | k8to | enough debian, since i'm only wasting time now |
| 04:11.52 | rdancer_1 | k8to: it's quite usable, only not so modern. robust, maintainable with a needle. |
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| 04:12.19 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: sorry |
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| 04:12.35 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: use find(1) |
| 04:12.51 | Marz | i'm trying to install sysv-rc and i get this error 'trying to overwrite `/etc/init.d/rc', which is also in package sysvinit' |
| 04:12.56 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: & don't yell, i'll shoot you witch an ak47 |
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| 04:13.14 | Classic | hey hey |
| 04:13.15 | robink | /var/spool/exim should be owned by mail:mail, right? |
| 04:13.18 | rdancer_1 | Marz: tunstable? |
| 04:13.34 | rdancer_1 | robink: root.root |
| 04:13.35 | Marz | yeah |
| 04:13.35 | cafuego | oi! stop hitting that mic! |
| 04:13.49 | Classic | any using ndiswrapper with a 2100 intel mini chip? |
| 04:13.58 | ecstatix | bye, todays apt-get upgrade done successfully |
| 04:14.10 | Lestat^O^ | rdancer_1: yell? ak47? and how with find? 8-) |
| 04:14.14 | robink | rdancer_1: It was lp:lp, and exim was complaining of not being able to access files in /var/spool/exim/db. |
| 04:14.22 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: man find? |
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| 04:14.50 | Lestat^O^ | rdancer_1: but hw to use it with cp? |
| 04:14.52 | robink | rdancer_1: I'd imagine I'd have the same trouble with root:root |
| 04:14.53 | X-Treme | is there any way to unload modules that are in use, I've cleared all my iptables chains, but all the modules are still in use, and I want to unload them |
| 04:14.59 | rdancer_1 | robink: hmmm, who made it lp.lp, in the first place?? looks like wrong backup restore? |
| 04:15.04 | Marz | rdancer_1: is this just normal funkiness for unstable ? |
| 04:15.13 | Marz | X-Treme: lsmod & rmmod |
| 04:15.15 | robink | rdancer_1: I haven't backed up my /var directory. I'm not sure how it was set to lp:lp. |
| 04:15.20 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: -exec |
| 04:15.35 | rdancer_1 | Marz: MMMMay be. |
| 04:15.47 | Marz | X-Treme: modprobe might also be your friend |
| 04:15.57 | X-Treme | Marz, yes but the system states they are in use, thus I'm not allowed to remove them |
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| 04:16.08 | robink | rdancer_1: I'm guessing dpkg-configure or whatever did that. |
| 04:16.16 | Lestat^O^ | rdancer_1: uh? |
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| 04:16.29 | Marz | X-Treme: modules depend on other modules, so you have to remove the ones using the othe rmodules first |
| 04:16.31 | rdancer_1 | robink: unstable too ;-) ? |
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| 04:16.40 | robink | rdancer_1: testing |
| 04:16.51 | rdancer_1 | robink: noone should *ever* do such a thing |
| 04:16.57 | rdancer_1 | robink: it's ridiculous |
| 04:17.07 | Marz | X-Treme: so if module B depends on A, remove B, then you can remove A |
| 04:17.08 | robink | rdancer_1: Well I sure didn't do it. |
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| 04:17.33 | rdancer_1 | robink: cracked? cat playing with root accout? |
| 04:17.40 | X-Treme | ok, then I gotta figure out how to do it recursively ;P |
| 04:17.59 | Marz | X-Treme: probably also impossible to remove a driver while using it (e.g. removing your soundcard module while playing a song) ; i think modprobe -r handles it automatically, but can't remember |
| 04:18.13 | rdancer_1 | LonelyOne: find <options> -exec <program to exec> {}(will be replaced with the found name) \; |
| 04:18.25 | rdancer_1 | LonelyOne: just read the find manpage |
| 04:18.28 | blal | Is the latest stable distribution of Debian sarge or woody or sid? |
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| 04:18.49 | Justin_ | blal: debian.org/releases/ |
| 04:18.51 | pvalley | ok there was an error fs type usbfs not supported by kernel |
| 04:19.15 | peterS | pvalley: 'grep usb /proc/filesystems' - see if usbdevfs is in there |
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| 04:19.25 | peterS | pvalley: if so, use 'usbdevfs' in /etc/fstab for the filesystem type, instead of 'usbfs' |
| 04:19.26 | rdancer_1 | Lestat^O^: do you understand? |
| 04:19.34 | robink | rdancer_1: I'd hope I wasn't cracked; it seems like an odd thing for someone breaking in to do (change /var/spool/exim to lp ownership) |
| 04:19.59 | robink | rdancer_1: The last time my machine was hacked into, it was a RedHat 4 box and the attacker deleted my entire /var/log directory...) |
| 04:20.13 | blal | Justin_ : er, I /msg'd by mistake. |
| 04:20.19 | pvalley | ok got it |
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| 04:20.40 | pvalley | ok thannks |
| 04:21.09 | robink | rdancer_1: That was back in the days when redhat was rediculously insecure. |
| 04:21.13 | rdancer_1 | robink: hehe, just maybe ;-) |
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| 04:22.15 | rdancer_1 | robink: do you import something from some other machines (where the groups don't match) or wasn't /etc/group changed recently |
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| 04:22.24 | quant | does proftpd support resume? |
| 04:22.25 | rdancer_1 | robink: is it secure now i wonder? |
| 04:23.26 | rdancer_1 | robink: second last time i installed it it overwrote a partition without asking, and finaly installed a broken zlib (media error on the install CD), without reporting an error ;-))) |
| 04:23.31 | rdancer_1 | robink: lol |
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| 04:25.14 | bztunk | what |
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| 04:26.10 | rdancer_1 | how do i check the irc connection is still alive? |
| 04:26.22 | noda | /ping |
| 04:26.35 | rdancer_1 | thnx |
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| 04:26.39 | peterS | rdancer_1: not like that. |
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| 04:26.47 | peterS | rdancer_1: ping yourself, not the channel |
| 04:26.51 | Penix | friggin moron |
| 04:26.59 | billyoc | ouch |
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| 04:28.54 | sdwarfs | exit |
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| 04:29.11 | Penix | bleh. it's sunday. forgot |
| 04:29.29 | xel | Hey Penix |
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| 04:32.14 | cafuego | sunday? |
| 04:32.19 | dondelelcaro | !sunday |
| 04:32.19 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. see monday |
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| 04:33.32 | bztunk | !monday |
| 04:33.32 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 04:33.41 | bztunk | !tuesdat |
| 04:33.42 | bztunk | !tuesday |
| 04:33.42 | dpkg | somebody said tuesday was see wednesday, or soylent green day |
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| 04:33.52 | bztunk | !wedbesday |
| 04:33.53 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: you can /msg the bot |
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| 04:33.53 | bztunk | !wednesday |
| 04:33.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wednesday is see thursday |
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| 04:33.57 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 04:34.00 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i know lol |
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| 04:34.31 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i want to light up the channel |
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| 04:34.44 | aphex | hey what module should I install for the soundblaster live value card |
| 04:34.58 | Wyzard | aphex: emu10k1 |
| 04:35.08 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: then do it when its apropos, or at least spell the queries correctly. |
| 04:35.40 | aphex | Wyzard: thats what I thought too but the module is not there when I run modconf |
| 04:35.45 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: thanks for making fun of my keyboard skills :( |
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| 04:36.19 | aphex | I am running 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel |
| 04:36.29 | Penix | aphex: install a real kernel |
| 04:36.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell aphex about real kernel |
| 04:36.52 | floppyears | phenix:why wouldn't you consider that a real kernel? |
| 04:36.54 | Jens_Kidman | hahaha , kernel 2.6.0 rules |
| 04:36.56 | Wyzard | aphex: Just modprobe it, and if you want it to load at boot time, put it in /etc/modules (which is all modconf really does) |
| 04:37.06 | Penix | floppyears: because it's not. it's a stripped down kernel for the installer |
| 04:37.08 | aphex | ok thanks |
| 04:37.09 | Chameleon21 | when i try to build php debs from source with added java support (apt-get source php4) , i get an error :: libjava.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory :: but its there !!! why ? |
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| 04:37.25 | Jens_Kidman | are you sure? |
| 04:37.32 | floppyears | Penix:thanks |
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| 04:38.09 | dagar | whats the debian net config utility used in the install? |
| 04:38.11 | billyoc | Chameleon21: that's not the file that's missing, it's a file that that one is looking for. |
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| 04:38.32 | Stormfrog | anyone here that can tell me how to install debian from my scsi cd-rom? I have started the installation but I need scsi cd-rom drivers to enable my cd-rom. Where do I get these? |
| 04:38.53 | dondelelcaro | Stormfrog: they're on the driver floppies. |
| 04:39.34 | ccg | how just connected pc and notebook with 2 nics, assigned ips to both nics in /etc/network/interfaces, what route commands do i need to apply now to be able to even ping one box from the other ? |
| 04:39.40 | Stormfrog | dondelelcaro: yeah... probably, but which? there are probably well... alot of floppies ...with strange stuff? |
| 04:39.41 | Wyzard | Stormfrog: SCSI CD-ROM support is quite possibly built into the installer's kernel... what you really need is the driver for your SCSI *controller* |
| 04:39.55 | Stormfrog | Wyzard: oh |
| 04:39.55 | Jens_Kidman | and activate de scsi emulation |
| 04:40.13 | dondelelcaro | Jens_Kidman: no. scsi emulation is for ide only. |
| 04:40.24 | Penix | ccg: you shouldn't need to do anything route-related afaik. are you using a crossover cable? |
| 04:40.24 | Stormfrog | I think it is an adaptec scsi controller |
| 04:40.28 | lepton | Stormfrog: my (ppc) kernel from the intall had scsi cd-rom built in ... running with it now |
| 04:40.36 | peterS | Wyzard: that should be built into the install kernel too |
| 04:40.42 | Stormfrog | lepton: thats odd |
| 04:40.45 | Jens_Kidman | you're right dondelelcaro |
| 04:41.00 | lepton | Stormfrog: not to me it isn't |
| 04:41.14 | ccg | Penix: patch cable |
| 04:41.15 | Stormfrog | well, what is really odd is that I have started the installation from the scsi cd, but it doesnt know about it ::P |
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| 04:41.22 | bztunk | again |
| 04:41.22 | Penix | ~tell chapeu about root |
| 04:41.41 | lepton | can't the bot be programmed to ~tell ... ? |
| 04:41.56 | cafuego | !cricket Penix |
| 04:42.07 | Wyzard | Stormfrog: You're running the installer which is loaded into memory from an emulated floppy drive that was set up by your SCSI controller's BIOS at boot time |
| 04:42.10 | Stormfrog | I have searched debian.org for a scsi driver, but there is none to be found... |
| 04:42.32 | ToreSB | !cricket off |
| 04:42.34 | Stormfrog | Wyzard: I loaded the installation from a debian cd |
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| 04:42.51 | ToreSB | ~jerk test |
| 04:42.53 | mechan0r | drivers are in the kernel source |
| 04:42.55 | ToreSB | !jerk test |
| 04:42.58 | Stormfrog | Wyzard: I suppose thats what you meant? |
| 04:43.05 | lepton | Stormfrog: did u boot from floppy? |
| 04:43.14 | mwilson | Stormfrog: No, he meant exactly what he said, which is why he said it. |
| 04:43.25 | Wyzard | Stormfrog: I know... but the way it works is that a 1.44MB file is loaded from the CD and used to create a virtual floppy disk |
| 04:43.28 | mwilson | Stormfrog: What SCSI controller? |
| 04:43.29 | Stormfrog | lepton: no, from my cd as I stated above |
| 04:43.38 | quant | does proftpd support resume? |
| 04:43.39 | bztunk | ToreSB: <dondelelcaro mode> you can /msg the bots you now </dondelelcaro mode> |
| 04:43.50 | aphex | ok I installed the kernel-image-2.4.18 but I get a message saying that it cannot mount the filesystem, I know I need the root=/dev/hda1 option somewhere, can anybody tell me what file I need to edit to correct that |
| 04:43.52 | Wyzard | Stormfrog: Your SCSI card's BIOS loaded that file from the CD and set up the virtual disk, and the installer booted from it. That's what got you to where you are now. |
| 04:44.11 | mwilson | quant: As soon as you bother to read the documentation, you will know. |
| 04:44.14 | lepton | Stormfrog: from the scsi cd-rom? I wonder how that works |
| 04:44.17 | Stormfrog | Wyzard: in the menu I can choose to install from floppy1/floppy2 ... none of them are cd-rom |
| 04:44.39 | quant | mwilson: i thought i would ask while reading, see which answer i got first |
| 04:44.42 | Wyzard | Stormfrog: That's because the installer isn't aware of your CD-ROM drive |
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| 04:45.14 | Stormfrog | *leaving his keaboard for a pro to take over* |
| 04:45.23 | aphex | anyone |
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| 04:46.28 | cuse | aphex: i hope you have still an old kernel version installed, do you? |
| 04:46.34 | rdancer_1 | aphex: correctly, to the kernel commandline. which bootloader do you have Lilo/grub/... |
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| 04:47.45 | Wyzard | aphex: In your lilo.conf |
| 04:47.46 | RainbowW | gotta love the quality administration here |
| 04:47.46 | Wyzard | aphex: In your lilo.conf |
| 04:47.46 | lepton | never a dull moment |
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| 04:49.07 | sebulba02 | heh |
| 04:49.07 | yaiLLf8d | hrm anyone know if the 2.6.1-rc1-mm1 patch is against 2.6.1-rc1 or 2.6.1? |
| 04:49.07 | Stripes | welcome back :) |
| 04:49.28 | peterS | yaiLLf8d: what does the name of the patch suggest? |
| 04:49.28 | sharth | yaiLLf8d: 2.6.1 doesn't exist. |
| 04:49.28 | rdancer_1 | yaiLLf8d: 2.6.1 |
| 04:49.28 | yaiLLf8d | oops my bad |
| 04:49.28 | yaiLLf8d | 2.6.0 |
| 04:49.28 | aphex | Wyzard: I am looking at it right now, I am quite new when it comes to lilo, I have found the image section in the file but I don't know where to add root=/dev/hda1 |
| 04:49.28 | Jens_Kidman | how can I know if my USB ports are available or configured correctly? ,you guys got me? , sorry because my english , I'm from Chile :p |
| 04:49.28 | sharth | yaiLLf8d: 2.6.1-rc1 is a patch against 2.6.0, and 2.6.1-rc1-mm1 is a patch against 2.6.1-rc1 |
| 04:49.28 | rdancer_1 | aphex: look at the example file |
| 04:49.47 | yaiLLf8d | sharth: thanks |
| 04:49.47 | peterS | Jens_Kidman: mount the 'usbfs' filesystem, install 'usbutils', and run 'lsusb' |
| 04:49.47 | peterS | Jens_Kidman: that's the short answer - if you need me to expand it I can |
| 04:49.47 | rdancer_1 | yaiLLf8d: sorry |
| 04:49.55 | aphex | rdancer_1: where is the example file located |
| 04:50.02 | cafuego | peterS: That's very rude and stupid |
| 04:50.06 | yaiLLf8d | rdancer_1: what for? |
| 04:50.48 | rdancer_1 | aphex: /usr/share/doc/lilo |
| 04:50.48 | yaiLLf8d | oops |
| 04:50.48 | yaiLLf8d | heh |
| 04:50.48 | sharth | Jeez... |
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| 04:51.31 | rdancer_1 | yaiLLf8d: 05:37 < rdancer_1> yaiLLf8d: 2.6.1 |
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| 04:51.31 | rdancer_1 | shit! |
| 04:51.31 | |82nd|HeXeM | loooooooool |
| 04:51.31 | Wyzard | aphex: There might already be a place marked for it... read through and look at the comments |
| 04:51.50 | Wyzard | aphex: If not, put it on the append= line |
| 04:51.50 | rdancer_1 | Wyzard: would that work for sure? |
| 04:51.50 | rdancer_1 | Wyzard: append= |
| 04:52.30 | Wyzard | rdancer_1: I don't see why not... the options on that line are copied directly to the default kernel command line |
| 04:52.30 | aphex | Wyzard: I found it but the two lines a re different, boot=/dev/hda and root=/dev/hda1 |
| 04:53.11 | Wyzard | aphex: That's correct, and the manpage explains what those two options do |
| 04:53.16 | rdancer_1 | Wyzard: yes. i meant if root=/dev/foo was specified and append=root /dev/bar too |
| 04:53.29 | Wyzard | rdancer_1: ah, I see what you mean |
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| 04:54.16 | Wyzard | rdancer_1: That's why I said to only use the append line if there wasn't already a place for it (I use grub and don't remember the details of lilo.conf that well) |
| 04:54.30 | aphex | Wyzard: great but if it's correct why does it give me a error message when I try to run the new kernel |
| 04:54.43 | rdancer_1 | Wyzard: don't use lilo either. understood. |
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| 04:55.26 | Wyzard | rdancer_1: As a guess, though, I'd say that the append= options are placed last, so a root device specified there would override the one given on the root= line in lilo.conf |
| 04:55.33 | rdancer_1 | aphex: then it isn't correct, trust me |
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| 04:55.44 | aphex | rdancer_1: heh thanks |
| 04:55.52 | rdancer_1 | Wyzard: at best undefined behaviour |
| 04:56.05 | rdancer_1 | aphex: go thru the lilo.conf second time |
| 04:56.22 | rdancer_1 | aphex: copy the config for your old kernel |
| 04:56.30 | Wyzard | aphex: Are you sure it's hda1? Not hdb1 or hda2 or something? |
| 04:56.33 | rdancer_1 | aphex: change only the kernel name |
| 04:56.45 | aphex | thanks guys I think I have figured it out |
| 04:56.45 | ToreSB | bztunk: heh |
| 04:56.49 | rdancer_1 | aphex: or in a similar minimalistic steps manner |
| 04:56.51 | rdancer_1 | aphex: ok? |
| 04:56.56 | Wyzard | though I guess if you have a root= option then that wouldn't be the problem |
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| 04:57.07 | aphex | heh let me try it out |
| 04:57.22 | aphex | here goes my system, need to reboot |
| 04:57.32 | rdancer_1 | aphex: use lilo --verbose or whatnot |
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| 04:57.42 | rdancer_1 | aphex: so you dont have to reboot to try it |
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| 05:00.00 | Aquarina | hello, I'm having a problem here to compile 2.6.0! |
| 05:00.08 | rdancer_1 | Aquarina: specify |
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| 05:00.16 | Aquarina | I get at the end: |
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| 05:00.27 | aphex | fack it did not work |
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| 05:00.38 | aphex | I am 100% sure its hda1 |
| 05:00.40 | Aquarina | something like make error 2 |
| 05:00.45 | Aquarina | w8 |
| 05:01.03 | xel | aphex: what's the problem? |
| 05:01.09 | noda | Aquarina: Just abot any compiling error will give a make error 2 :) |
| 05:01.15 | Wyzard|lap | aphex: Did you compile this new kernel yourself, or is it one of Debian's? |
| 05:01.27 | Aquarina | make[2]: *** [scripts/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 05:01.28 | Aquarina | make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 05:01.28 | Aquarina | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 05:01.29 | aphex | xel: I installed kerenel 2.4.18 but I keep getting kerenl panic, can not mount fs |
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| 05:01.36 | ricochet | to anyone: i am setting up deb on a laptop, trying to get my pcmcia network card up. in redhat there was a util iwconfig, like ifconfig, what is debians? |
| 05:01.43 | noda | Aquarina: Find the *first* error message. |
| 05:01.53 | Aquarina | noda: ok |
| 05:02.02 | aphex | Wyzard|lap:it's debians, kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 05:02.03 | peterS | ricochet: debian has iwconfig as well |
| 05:02.08 | xel | aphex: sure it's /dev/hda1?^ |
| 05:02.10 | rdancer_1 | Aquarina: get the packaged version. |
| 05:02.12 | peterS | !find bin/iwconfig woody |
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| 05:02.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/iwconfig' (1 shown): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
| 05:02.22 | peterS | ricochet: ^^^ |
| 05:02.26 | aphex | xel: yes, it worked for kerenel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:02.27 | ricochet | peterS: what package is it in? cache isnt finding it |
| 05:02.34 | ricochet | thanks |
| 05:02.45 | aphex | xel: LinuxOld boots |
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| 05:03.32 | J_P | hi all |
| 05:03.45 | J_P | people, mozilla-firebird use what toolkit ? |
| 05:03.52 | xel | J_P: hey |
| 05:03.59 | peterS | J_P: several toolkits |
| 05:04.08 | J_P | xel hello |
| 05:04.08 | peterS | J_P: GTK+ and XUL are the ones you probably mean |
| 05:04.16 | Aquarina | make[1]: `scripts/fixdep' is up to date. |
| 05:04.16 | Aquarina | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.16 | Aquarina | In file included from scripts/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 05:04.16 | Aquarina | scripts/lxdialog/dialog.h:29:20: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:04.16 | Aquarina | In file included from scripts/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
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| 05:04.25 | bztunk | hum |
| 05:04.29 | peterS | Aquarina: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 05:04.35 | J_P | peterS i always think becouse not QT!! |
| 05:04.50 | noda | Wow, 'apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment' reminds me just how long it took to compile all those things by hand on my old system :) |
| 05:04.51 | urandom | how would one list the packages installed on ones machine by repository, (main, contrib, non-free)? |
| 05:04.56 | xel | J_P: QT not sure ;) |
| 05:05.01 | arauko | anyone knows a good screensaver othern than xscreensaver? |
| 05:05.11 | peterS | J_P: well, it uses GTK+, but most of its interface is done via XUL, which is Mozilla's own UI toolkit |
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| 05:05.17 | xel | arauko: apt-cache search screensaver |
| 05:05.18 | Aquarina | ok |
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| 05:05.34 | arauko | xel, yeah.. but onbly comes up xscreensaver |
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| 05:05.58 | ecceeric | I'm sing debian 2.2.20. How can I get to 2.4? |
| 05:05.59 | Aquarina | peterS: :) |
| 05:06.02 | Aquarina | ths a lot |
| 05:06.11 | tictac | toms harware seems to be lacking. |
| 05:06.14 | xel | ecceeric: sorry? |
| 05:06.15 | tictac | err networing |
| 05:06.25 | J_P | peterS i really need choice on toolkit for me development software, and o not know yet if i learn QT or gtk :-( |
| 05:06.26 | xel | ecceeric: upgrade your kernel. |
| 05:06.31 | J_P | anyone sugestion ? |
| 05:06.42 | peterS | J_P: do you do C++, or other languages? |
| 05:06.45 | xel | arauko: well, I have only the packages xscreensaver* and xscreensaver-gnome |
| 05:06.55 | ecceeric | xel: how to upgrade kernel? install the whole system again? |
| 05:06.56 | J_P | peterS C++ |
| 05:06.59 | arauko | xel, yeah i know... im looking for something else |
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| 05:07.06 | peterS | J_P: Qt is pretty oriented toward C++. GTK+ is equally good with a lot of languages, including C and Perl |
| 05:07.28 | xel | ecceeric: no no :) www.kernel.org. The last stable version is 2.6.0 :) |
| 05:07.29 | peterS | J_P: both are portable to Windows, although Qt doesn't have a *free* Windows port whereas GTK+ does |
| 05:07.35 | peterS | J_P: I don't know if that matters to you (: |
| 05:07.44 | rdancer_1 | xel: come on! |
| 05:07.52 | xel | rdancer_1: sorry? :) |
| 05:08.16 | J_P | peterS yes... but i find more docs about qt |
| 05:08.32 | xel | Wyzard: ehehe oki :) |
| 05:08.39 | xel | sorry :P |
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| 05:09.05 | rdancer_1 | ecceeric: install some of the packages kernel-image-2.4.* |
| 05:09.12 | xel | rdancer_1: :P |
| 05:09.14 | Wyzard | xel: ecceeric needs to learn what a kernel is before he tries to compile 2.6 |
| 05:09.17 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 05:09.19 | urandom | 22:48 < jim> it's unfortunate that RMS is perceived as being such a nutcase |
| 05:09.23 | Croepha | apt-cache cant find Berkeley DB... what ever shall i do? |
| 05:09.23 | xel | eheh Wyzard oki oki |
| 05:09.24 | rdancer_1 | xel: :P |
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| 05:09.34 | Aquarina | what is support for paging of anonimous memory? swap? |
| 05:09.37 | xel | ecceeric: I suggest you 2.4.22 :) |
| 05:09.50 | Wyzard | Aquarina: As near as I can tell, yes, that's swap support :-) |
| 05:09.56 | ecceeric | xel: thanks. and how? |
| 05:10.03 | Aquarina | ok |
| 05:10.19 | rdancer_1 | xel: ..... |
| 05:10.26 | J_P | peterS and qt is more RAD right ? |
| 05:10.26 | xel | rdancer_1: no kernel pkg? |
| 05:10.39 | xel | rdancer_1: excuse me, I don't use the debian pkg :P |
| 05:10.45 | peterS | J_P: I'm reasonably happy with Glade, which is a RAD tool for GTK+ |
| 05:10.51 | rdancer_1 | xel: 2.4.23 closed that local root sploit, didn't it? |
| 05:11.00 | rdancer_1 | xel: but maybe not in debiah? |
| 05:11.08 | peterS | J_P: combine Glade with Perl-Gtk2, and I consider it quite RAD |
| 05:11.12 | aphex | goddamn lilo and the kernel-image |
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| 05:11.19 | rdancer_1 | ecceeric: which distro do u use? 2.2.20 seems stable aka woody? |
| 05:11.27 | peterS | J_P: (and yes, I *do* combine Glade with Perl-Gtk2, this isn't merely theoretical) |
| 05:11.32 | J_P | peterS you development in gtkmm then ? |
| 05:11.46 | ccg | what is the howto where its described how to create a subnet between 2 boxes via nics ? |
| 05:11.47 | peterS | J_P: no, Perl-Gtk2. I haven't tried gtkmm, since I don't use C++ |
| 05:11.50 | rdancer_1 | xel: then 2.4.22 advise is a bullshit |
| 05:11.52 | Penix | nothing "comes out on apt" |
| 05:11.59 | xel | rdancer_1: 1 - 0 for you :P |
| 05:12.02 | Justin_ | ccg: ug, the networking howto? |
| 05:12.09 | J_P | peterS you prefer perl tahn C++ ? |
| 05:12.12 | quant | is there a log that tells me everything that was written to the screen when i boot? |
| 05:12.21 | Ryuujin | Penix: if you really feel like argueing word on word, then find another one to do it with, i will not level to that. |
| 05:12.37 | Penix | noone's arguing about anything |
| 05:12.38 | peterS | J_P: yes, for things I've written. I'm not involved with a lot of *large* apps, mind. |
| 05:12.46 | Ryuujin | right. |
| 05:12.46 | Penix | I corrected an inaccurate statement |
| 05:13.02 | Ryuujin | and you do that for every user in here? |
| 05:13.09 | Penix | pretty much |
| 05:13.09 | dystopia | how does one rebuild a dpkg database, like /var/lig/dpkg/available ? Removing and touching it and then apt-get update doesn't rebuild it nor does it fix apt-listchanges' python error |
| 05:13.14 | Penix | you're new here, aren't you? ;P |
| 05:13.21 | ecceeric | As I need "precomipled kernel interface" t install nvidia driver. How can I get it? |
| 05:13.22 | rahul | 2.6 is already out on "my apt" |
| 05:13.24 | Ryuujin | no, i'm just awake at this time. |
| 05:13.31 | rdancer_1 | lol |
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| 05:13.43 | Penix | my apt is out with my 2.6 |
| 05:13.46 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: lol |
| 05:13.54 | Ryuujin | that doesn't help me alot, does it? |
| 05:14.00 | rahul | Package: kernel-image-2.6.0 |
| 05:14.09 | Wyzard | quant: Running sid, I noticed a bootlogd which seems to do that, though a recent upgrade seems to have removed it (the changelog said it was too experimental or something like that) |
| 05:14.24 | quant | i see |
| 05:14.25 | dystopia | rdancer_1: what's the fun? |
| 05:14.28 | rahul | Ryuujin: if you want it to come out on apt, put it in your apt |
| 05:14.36 | Wyzard | dystopia: I had to do that last week when I lost mine in a hard shutdown... "dselect update" should do it |
| 05:14.45 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: ``removing and touching it'' |
| 05:14.47 | Penix | ffs I hate gnome's pathetic gtk reference |
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| 05:14.50 | rahul | (whatever any of that is really supposed to mean) |
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| 05:15.01 | Ryuujin | rahul: i want it on the testing or stable mirror. |
| 05:15.04 | Recon1 | hey all |
| 05:15.14 | Penix | that's not gonna happen |
| 05:15.15 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: unstable aka sarge? |
| 05:15.22 | Penix | Ryuujin: unstable is sid |
| 05:15.26 | Penix | blah |
| 05:15.28 | Penix | rdancer_1 rather |
| 05:15.50 | rahul | Ryuujin: they'll be there when they're ready to be in that state |
| 05:15.52 | xel | rdancer_1: unstable = sid! |
| 05:15.56 | xel | rdancer_1: 1 - 1 :P |
| 05:15.56 | Penix | too many r names |
| 05:16.03 | rdancer_1 | xel: bastard! |
| 05:16.05 | dystopia | Wyzard: yes that did it |
| 05:16.08 | xel | ehehhe |
| 05:16.17 | dystopia | Google said apt-get update which didn't do it. |
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| 05:16.44 | Wyzard | rahul: You see a kernel-image-2.6.0 (not kernel-image-2.6.0-test9) ? |
| 05:16.52 | MikeH | im trying to mount a .bin cd image, i tried mount -t iso9660 someimage.bin /mnt/point -o loop |
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| 05:17.08 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: so do you use sarge^H^H^H^H^Hsid? Then this should be normal, i meant. |
| 05:17.11 | Tchiak | i love clean installs |
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| 05:17.16 | MikeH | but its telling me wrong fs type or bad superblock, and i doing something wrong? |
| 05:17.17 | rahul | Wyzard: no, I _have_ it |
| 05:17.18 | Wyzard | MikeH: Assuming the .bin file is an iso9660 filesystem, that should work. |
| 05:17.30 | quant | if you "rm" something, is there anyway to get it back? |
| 05:17.41 | MikeH | Wyzard: well its a cd image so... |
| 05:17.44 | Recon1 | is this the place to ask debain questions? |
| 05:17.57 | rahul | quant: not easily |
| 05:18.02 | Penix | Recon1: #debain |
| 05:18.03 | Ryuujin | Recon1: pretty much.. |
| 05:18.03 | Wyzard | rahul: I'm not arguing wording, I'm just curious because from my perspective, 2.6.0 doesn't seem to be in the archive yet |
| 05:18.05 | quant | i need to be able to |
| 05:18.06 | xel | Recon1: u can try on #slackware :P |
| 05:18.07 | MikeH | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 05:18.07 | MikeH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.13 | Recon1 | lol |
| 05:18.15 | rahul | Wyzard: it's in _my_ archive. |
| 05:18.17 | dystopia | rdancer_1: bull. It just happened after my computer crashed because i kicked against my computer. That's the reason. |
| 05:18.24 | Ryuujin | Penix: that's cruel. |
| 05:18.25 | rahul | Wyzard: which means that it "comes out on apt" for me |
| 05:18.39 | Justin_ | MikeH: file -s file.iso /dev/loop0 |
| 05:18.45 | Penix | no it's not |
| 05:18.47 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: do you mean `bo'? |
| 05:18.52 | Ryuujin | Penix: just a bit. |
| 05:18.53 | quant | rahul: how can ido it? |
| 05:19.05 | SYNeR- | hey all. I just did a 3.0r1 base system install, then installed C/C++ utilities through tasksel.. Then I made a 2.4.23 kernel source tree, compiled a new kernel.. Then I did "make && make install" on my nvnet onboard-LAN module.. when I do "insmod/modprobe nvnet", I get "init_module: No Such Device".. Any ideas? |
| 05:19.16 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: remove the whole /var/cache hierarchy |
| 05:19.24 | rahul | quant: learn how your FS works and figure out how to find the file's contents. good luck. |
| 05:19.28 | Wyzard | rahul: I'm asking a serious question, not making fun of Ryuujin. Stop acting childish. |
| 05:19.34 | xel | dystopia: query. |
| 05:19.37 | Recon1 | I'm trying to add some gtk packeages i downloaded. they are in .deb files |
| 05:19.38 | mechan0r | make modules_install |
| 05:19.52 | Aquarina | what is mca? is it the laptop's pci ? |
| 05:19.56 | xel | Recon1: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 05:20.03 | rahul | Wyzard: wtf is your question, then? |
| 05:20.04 | mechan0r | mca is an old IBM bus |
| 05:20.07 | mechan0r | no longer used |
| 05:20.11 | Aquarina | ok |
| 05:20.18 | MikeH | Justin_: ok |
| 05:20.19 | MikeH | office11-1.bin: data |
| 05:20.19 | MikeH | /dev/loop0: empty |
| 05:20.20 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: but I would strongly consider clean reinstall (from backups) after such a horror, at least checking against the backups. |
| 05:20.22 | rahul | Wyzard: I wasn't making fun of him, I was showing him that apt isn't what he thinks it is |
| 05:20.23 | SYNeR- | (I had already make modules && make modules_install .. the nvidia module was done later on seperately) |
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| 05:20.49 | mwilson | Too bad, too, as MCA was quite nice. |
| 05:20.52 | rahul | SYNeR-: nvidia's makefiles are stupid |
| 05:20.59 | SYNeR- | hmm |
| 05:21.02 | Ryuujin | rahul: listen.. i haven't slept in xx number of hours.. and you expect me to be correct about in every single sentence? |
| 05:21.08 | mechan0r | what did MCA have? |
| 05:21.11 | rahul | SYNeR-: use debian's, assuming that the nforce drivers are available as debian packages. |
| 05:21.22 | rdancer_1 | mechan0r: dict MCA |
| 05:21.23 | Wyzard | rahul: Well, you pasted a line saying "Package: kernel-image-2.6.0". Do you actually have such a package available to you? |
| 05:21.28 | rahul | Ryuujin: that's your problem. I assume you mean what you type. |
| 05:21.32 | SYNeR- | the nvidia driver is non-GPL ;\ |
| 05:21.33 | rahul | Wyzard: YES!!!!!!!! |
| 05:21.37 | rahul | SYNeR-: so? |
| 05:21.38 | Aquarina | Now what about hot pluggable devices, I do need usb, but there is no usb option under hot pluggable devices! |
| 05:21.53 | Aquarina | only pcmcia and pci |
| 05:21.56 | Ryuujin | rahul: have it your way. |
| 05:21.57 | mechan0r | usb just works |
| 05:21.58 | Recon1 | xewl: thanks |
| 05:21.59 | mwilson | Probably because there's not supposed to be. |
| 05:22.03 | Recon1 | xel: thanks |
| 05:22.04 | dystopia | rdancer_1: whole /var/cache ? what does /var/cache/samba have to do with this? |
| 05:22.06 | Justin_ | MikeH: then its not an iso |
| 05:22.09 | xel | Recon1: np :) |
| 05:22.13 | SYNeR- | insmod & modprobe find the driver in /lib/modules/2.4.23/kernel/drivers/net/nvnet.o .. but just say "init_module: no such device" :\ |
| 05:22.26 | MikeH | Justin_: i know its not an iso, its a cd image the .bin/.cue type |
| 05:22.28 | dystopia | it works just fine now except for the apt-listchanges error |
| 05:22.32 | Wyzard | rahul: Is it from an unofficial source, or am I missing something? I only see kernel-image-2.6.0-test9, and yes, I'm running sid and have just done an update. |
| 05:22.33 | Recon1 | man why is it that when i cut a document and try to paste it i only get the first character? |
| 05:22.43 | mwilson | dystopia: That's easy to fix, see the bug report. |
| 05:22.48 | Aquarina | mechan0r: does that mean that I have to choose that to make usb work? or the oposite? |
| 05:23.03 | Recon1 | i want to paste an error but when i copy from terminal i only get 1 char |
| 05:23.10 | mechan0r | hotplug is added to whatever usb you already have |
| 05:23.11 | Wyzard | Aquarina: I've never seen a system that needed MCA support |
| 05:23.12 | lauren | oof. |
| 05:23.12 | rdancer_1 | dystopia: after FHS, it *has to* be safe to remove everything under /var/cache. In reality, you'll have to regenerate st, and file a bug. |
| 05:23.14 | Justin_ | MikeH: then why is it named .iso? |
| 05:23.18 | rahul | SYNeR-: oh. that probably means that you don't have any hardware supported by that driver |
| 05:23.25 | MikeH | Justin_: i never said it was named .iso |
| 05:23.25 | SYNeR- | nop |
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| 05:23.38 | dalias | could someone point me in the direction of the "least nonfree :)" working java browser plugin package for unstable? |
| 05:23.39 | SYNeR- | It's the right driver.. When I installed debian ages ago - I got it work. |
| 05:23.40 | Justin_ | oh right |
| 05:23.47 | Croepha | configure: error: Could not find Berkeley DB, but i did apt-get install libdb3... |
| 05:23.50 | dalias | apt, java? |
| 05:23.52 | | somebody said java was at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 05:23.52 | SYNeR- | I have nfi what I'm doing wrong atm though ;\ |
| 05:23.53 | Justin_ | well then, there was a linux module somewhere that let you mount those |
| 05:23.55 | dystopia | mwilson: oh i didn't knew this was a bug i thought this was because of my crash :> i'll google for this one.. |
| 05:23.55 | Aquarina | Wyzard: talking about hot pluggable devices now... |
| 05:24.06 | MikeH | Justin_: but ifs its a datacd it would be in an iso fs system type wouldnt it |
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| 05:24.53 | beta3 | asg: you there? |
| 05:24.57 | rahul | @penixstrike kawfee |
| 05:25.01 | ravenbird | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:25.01 | mwilson | dystopia: Uh, why would you google, rather than reading the bug report? |
| 05:25.02 | Wyzard | MikeH: How did you copy it from the CD? ".bin" and ".iso" can mean a lot of things, many of which aren't plain iso9660 filesystem images |
| 05:25.05 | Justin_ | MikeH: you need to convert it to an iso or get the thingy that kets you mount it |
| 05:25.08 | SYNeR- | rahul: I haven't setup aliases yet.. should that matter? Or should debian just assign the first ethX to the device? |
| 05:25.09 | Recon1 | so far with my first try a debian I've not been too impressed |
| 05:25.20 | rahul | SYNeR-: aliases have nothing to do with the driver. |
| 05:25.26 | SYNeR- | k |
| 05:25.28 | MikeH | Justin_: you mean cdfs? |
| 05:25.30 | rahul | SYNeR-: linux will assign as you said |
| 05:25.35 | xel | Croepha: try installing libdb3-dev too. |
| 05:25.41 | SYNeR- | oh ok |
| 05:25.46 | Recon1 | i'm having a hard time getting software uprgaded and KDE is very unstable compared to GNOME on my machine |
| 05:25.49 | Justin_ | MikeH: mebbe, i forget what its called |
| 05:25.58 | rahul | aliases are just names that modprobe can take |
| 05:26.02 | SYNeR- | hmm damn |
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| 05:26.09 | xel | Recon1: use Gnome, it's better (:P) |
| 05:26.18 | rahul | so you need drivers that support your hardware |
| 05:26.33 | SYNeR- | they should work.. I've used these drivers before |
| 05:26.33 | rahul | xel: eat shit, it's better than rotten shit :) |
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| 05:26.44 | xel | rahul: aahah ;) |
| 05:26.48 | dystopia | mwilson: i don't know which bug you're talking about, or which package.. |
| 05:27.13 | rahul | SYNeR-: maybe the makefiles' bad design screwed up the compile so that it would load but not be able to find your NIC |
| 05:27.35 | mwilson | dystopia: Gee, whaddya think? Probably either apt-listchanges, or python, or python2.3, huh? |
| 05:27.39 | MikeH | aah |
| 05:27.40 | rahul | SYNeR-: make sure that it's looking at the kernel headers for the _kernel_ you have, not for the libc you ave |
| 05:27.42 | mwilson | dystopia: Rather elementary. |
| 05:27.44 | MikeH | i remember how i did it now |
| 05:27.49 | MikeH | i had to use bchunk |
| 05:28.04 | Recon1 | is there a better newbie channel for debian? |
| 05:28.09 | Justin_ | MikeH: thats the "convert it" part |
| 05:28.19 | Croepha | xel: not working, i even did the c++ ones |
| 05:28.20 | Justin_ | MikeH: its not a vcd is it? |
| 05:28.23 | MikeH | Justin_: yes i know, i was getting confused with daemon tools in windows :) |
| 05:28.24 | dystopia | mwilson: not really since after i remove apt-listchanges apt still wants to exec /usr/bin/apt-listchanges |
| 05:28.29 | Wyzard | MikeH: You might have (for example) a raw sector dump of a CD, which has 2048-byte blocks of iso9660 data interspersed with 304-byte chunks of subchannel data |
| 05:28.31 | SYNeR- | rahul: umm.. how? :P .. I just installed base system, unpacked 2.4.23 tgz & made a new kernel out of it.. then tried makeing & installing nvnet driver |
| 05:28.32 | MikeH | Justin_: no its an data cd |
| 05:28.35 | rahul | Recon1: no. just ask an answerable question. |
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| 05:28.48 | Justin_ | MikeH: oh, you can mount it, you just need the other driver thing |
| 05:28.53 | MikeH | Wyzard: i realised that (basically) |
| 05:28.55 | Recon1 | rahul: ok thnx |
| 05:29.02 | rahul | SYNeR-: dunno, read the makefile or look for nvnet in debian and use make-kpkg to compile it and the kernel together |
| 05:29.03 | Tchiak | i keep getting error messages about bad blocks |
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| 05:29.12 | MikeH | yeah, its cdfs i need, but i cba :) |
| 05:29.14 | Tchiak | how do i get linux to scan the harddrive again and remove them? |
| 05:29.14 | SYNeR- | oh ok, thx |
| 05:29.15 | Wyzard | MikeH: I don't know if bchunk would be helpful with that... that's not really what it's for |
| 05:29.20 | Tchiak | aside from a reinstall |
| 05:29.37 | Recon1 | is there an issue with copying text from terminal and only being able to paste the first character? |
| 05:29.39 | mwilson | dystopia: Uh, where did you get that you needed to remove the package? |
| 05:29.41 | Dylanwh | does make_kpkg work with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:29.50 | rahul | Dylanwh: has for a long time |
| 05:29.56 | rahul | since before 2.6 :) |
| 05:29.59 | Dylanwh | rahul: Good. Just making sure. : |
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| 05:30.14 | rahul | I used it back before 2.5.50, too |
| 05:30.23 | Wyzard | MikeH: Generally, a .bin file is a concatenation of tracks, so a CD with a data track followed by some audio tracks would yield a .bin containing an iso9660 filesystem followed by some PCM audio data. bchunk extracts the regions corresponding to individual tracks. |
| 05:30.42 | SYNeR- | gtg. bbl |
| 05:30.54 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: probably not, ask a better one :) |
| 05:30.56 | dystopia | mwilson: since it didn't work, i removed it. I thought that fixed the available error problem earlier but that wasn't the case. So after that i found out that there's a problem with apt-listchanges and apt and that it only occurs when i remove or install a package. |
| 05:30.59 | Wyzard | MikeH: If you have a sector dump like I described, you can probably use dd to get rid of the subchannel data |
| 05:31.11 | Recon1 | :) |
| 05:31.25 | MikeH | Wyzard: it doesnt have any audio in it |
| 05:31.32 | MikeH | but its sorted now anyway :) |
| 05:31.40 | dalias | ..... could someone point me in the direction of the "least nonfree :)" working java browser plugin package for unstable? |
| 05:31.44 | Wyzard | MikeH: I know, that's just an example to explain what bchunk is for |
| 05:31.47 | xel | Recon1: is the first time for you with Debian? |
| 05:31.58 | Recon1 | xel: yes it is |
| 05:32.06 | xel | oki, I'm sure u will love it. |
| 05:32.06 | xel | :) |
| 05:32.08 | Recon1 | xel: first few days |
| 05:32.10 | dalias | back in the day i thought they at least had source and just had bad license crap |
| 05:32.34 | dalias | but now all the java stuff i find seems to be stupid binaryware, and with no .debs |
| 05:32.44 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: what distro do u come from then? |
| 05:32.47 | synth | hm how do i fix this python error in apt-get |
| 05:32.55 | rahul | dalias: nothing has changed |
| 05:33.07 | Recon1 | xel: having dificulties getting libgtk1.2-dev to install |
| 05:33.10 | rahul | and you were answered by the bot. pay attention. |
| 05:33.18 | Recon1 | rdancer_1: Windows ;) |
| 05:33.22 | dalias | rahul, the bot wasn't very helpful :) |
| 05:33.44 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: I'd really like to read your review re: loving it |
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| 05:34.31 | Wyzard | Recon1: dpkg -i <packagefile>.deb |
| 05:34.39 | Dylanwh | So, 2.6 can be faster for some desktop-like things than 2.4, yah? |
| 05:34.40 | Recon1 | rdancer: I come from 15 years IT security but never worked with *nix..I want to make a journal of my progress in a humerous light to get slashdotted ;) |
| 05:34.43 | dalias | the bot just links to lots of idiotic corporate websites |
| 05:34.54 | dalias | i'm looking for debs, not spam... |
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| 05:35.12 | Wyzard | Recon1: But it's generally easier to install things using apt |
| 05:35.17 | The_Vulture | dalias: you didn't look too hard |
| 05:35.19 | The_Vulture | blackdown has debs |
| 05:35.26 | Recon1 | wyzard: yes, but it says Errors encountered while processing :( |
| 05:35.28 | rdancer | Recon1: :-) |
| 05:35.34 | The_Vulture | ~tell dalias about blackdown debs |
| 05:35.50 | rahul | sigh |
| 05:35.58 | rahul | @penixstrike dalias |
| 05:36.02 | Wyzard | Recon1: It probably also says that libgtk1.2-dev couldn't be configured because it depends on something else |
| 05:36.06 | peterS | dalias: /msg ravenbird sid mozilla java |
| 05:36.09 | The_Vulture | marcos2: ? |
| 05:36.19 | Recon1 | wyzard: apt couldn't find the packages so i downloaded them locally |
| 05:36.20 | peterS | dalias: it includes a blackdown link. I haven't followed it |
| 05:36.25 | rdancer | Recon1: re: one-char clipboard: on console, probably gpm problem. try /etc/init.d/gpm restart |
| 05:36.50 | rdancer | Recon1: or dpkg-reconfigure gpm |
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| 05:37.44 | Recon1 | rdancer: sayd gpm is not fully installed |
| 05:37.54 | sharth | Recon1 apt-get -f install |
| 05:37.55 | Wyzard | Recon1: What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? "Finding" packages in the main archive shouldn't be a problem for it |
| 05:38.01 | MikeH | anyone here use crossover office? |
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| 05:38.22 | peterS | marcos2: wtf? |
| 05:38.30 | marcos2 | MikeH: i had a pirate version |
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| 05:38.40 | MikeH | its got office xp in the supported list, although when trying to install office xp, it tells me i need a newer windows version |
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| 05:38.49 | brlracu | is there any tool to test Radius Server |
| 05:38.55 | Justin_ | Recon1: downloading things manually is not a good idea |
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| 05:39.02 | habsd | anyone use squid here? when i use squidGuard as rediretor, my hard drive busy as hell and my computer becomes very slow because of that... what might be the possible cause? i'm running squid-2.4_10 and squidGuard-1.2.0_1 |
| 05:39.02 | marcos2 | MikeH: why do you need office xp?? |
| 05:39.08 | sharth | MikeH: well, since you bought crossover office, I would suggest calling up their tech support people... |
| 05:39.11 | xel | Recon1: u have to use apt-get install pkgname |
| 05:39.14 | Recon1 | Justin: was running out of options |
| 05:39.16 | xel | Recon1: what do u want to install? |
| 05:39.17 | marcos2 | sharth: let me handle this one |
| 05:39.25 | sharth | marcos2: okies :) |
| 05:39.27 | MikeH | marcos2: college |
| 05:39.32 | rdancer | sharth: lol |
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| 05:39.40 | MikeH | sharth: i cant really, it was a copy me mate give me :) |
| 05:39.47 | Recon1 | xel: Nessus |
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| 05:39.51 | marcos2 | MikeH: why do you need Office Xp for?, you can use OpenOffice |
| 05:39.53 | Eno_ | MikeH: OO ? |
| 05:39.54 | peterS | MikeH: expensive gift |
| 05:40.16 | MikeH | no, i mean, i need it for my "IT Users" assignments for college |
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| 05:40.35 | marcos2 | MikeH: apt-get install windowsxp officexp |
| 05:40.37 | rahul | IT Users? |
| 05:40.39 | xel | Recon1: so, apt-get install nessus |
| 05:40.43 | marcos2 | MikeH: Check crossovers faq |
| 05:40.51 | marcos2 | MikeH: Its covered in there. |
| 05:40.57 | xel | Recon1: did u edited your sources.list to get the pkgs from internet and not from CD? |
| 05:40.59 | strider_ | local root exploit in 2.4 kernels ? WTF ? |
| 05:41.02 | VynoM | hmmm... I installed debian. Now what? Heh. I need the bot to tell me some links for X Windows. Not starting. |
| 05:41.02 | Recon1 | xel: i have the nessus installer but it needs gtk-dev |
| 05:41.02 | MikeH | rahul: basic crap, wordprocessing, spreadsheets database |
| 05:41.07 | rahul | you're using debian and you need to take remedial computing courses? |
| 05:41.18 | rahul | remedial inferior computing, even |
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| 05:41.22 | Justin_ | 1tell VynoM about set up x |
| 05:41.22 | Recon1 | xel: no...didn't edit sources |
| 05:41.26 | droopy | do you need a package to get automount to work? Can you automount a flash disk with a encrypted loop device on it? |
| 05:41.27 | strider_ | someone PLEASE tell me thats BS |
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| 05:41.30 | synth | is there a graphical cvs client that's gnome2 ? |
| 05:41.32 | marcos2 | MikeH: either check crossovers faw, or apt-get install openoffice |
| 05:41.33 | xel | Recon1: if u download something from CD/Internet using apt it will download the dependeces too. |
| 05:41.37 | Recon1 | xel: i will now if i can figure it out |
| 05:41.42 | VynoM | !tell VynoM about set up X |
| 05:41.44 | marcos2 | droopy:its akernel module |
| 05:41.49 | rahul | synth: xemacs-gnome + pcl-cvs |
| 05:41.50 | xel | Recon1: well edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:41.51 | MikeH | i have openoffice, but my college stuff needs to be office |
| 05:41.52 | Justin_ | strider_: try reading the whole thing |
| 05:41.53 | marcos2 | droopy: oops sorry |
| 05:41.54 | Recon1 | ok lemme edit the cources |
| 05:41.56 | xel | Recon1: delete all and add: |
| 05:42.01 | marcos2 | droopy: thought it was autofs |
| 05:42.03 | droopy | marcos2 got autofs4 loaded... |
| 05:42.04 | Wyzard | Recon1: -dev packages contain headers for compiling things... you don't want to compile nessus from source |
| 05:42.07 | rahul | synth: which has the added bonus that all the editor windows know about cvs, too :) |
| 05:42.12 | Justin_ | xel: apt-setup exists for a reason |
| 05:42.13 | marcos2 | MikeH: save it as .office files |
| 05:42.21 | rahul | synth: and it comes with a merge tool |
| 05:42.23 | xel | Justin_: well ok :) |
| 05:42.38 | xel | Justin_: I wanted be faster. He's really a newbie |
| 05:42.48 | Recon1 | xel: enable to security server? |
| 05:42.50 | droopy | whats the package for automount |
| 05:42.53 | synth | hm |
| 05:43.02 | strider_ | ah got a url on that j ? |
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| 05:43.02 | marcos2 | MikeH: openoffice handles all of the office xp filetypes, .doc, .xls, .ppt, etc |
| 05:43.05 | rahul | synth: although in my experience, perforce is much better integrated into the individual editor buffers |
| 05:43.07 | MikeH | marcos2: its not that, they want screenshots and stuff, apparently to be practical in the "real world" i need to use ms office, as its the most commonly used |
| 05:43.10 | Justin_ | xel: then apt-setup would be faster |
| 05:43.20 | xel | Recon1: run the command: apt-setup |
| 05:43.21 | tops | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.31 | Justin_ | tops: man patch? |
| 05:43.39 | marcos2 | MikeH: just tell them your a poor kid and cant afford expensive software, or if they make you do that, then get a pirate verison of windows and install it |
| 05:43.55 | tops | i looked, but can't figure it out. lol |
| 05:44.04 | marcos2 | MikeH: or fake the screenshots, not a big deal if you are confortable with the gimp (Did it before) |
| 05:44.07 | Justin_ | tops: no, rather than lie, actually look |
| 05:44.10 | Wyzard | Recon1: Avoid installing things from source when there's a Debian package available... otherwise you clutter up your system with stuff that can't be automatically uninstalled and that the package system doesn't know is there (which creates dependency problems) |
| 05:44.13 | VynoM | ok, and I can just apt-get install nvidia right? |
| 05:44.23 | tops | i did dude. seriously |
| 05:44.36 | MikeH | marcos2: i have win2k in vmware, but its slow as anything |
| 05:44.42 | dalias | rahul, thanks for the help |
| 05:44.57 | marcos2 | MikeH: win2k isnt for desktops, i suggest, w98 |
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| 05:45.09 | marcos2 | MikeH: w98 + office 2000 should make it |
| 05:45.12 | helix | !greet everyone |
| 05:45.12 | dpkg | Hi everyone! |
| 05:45.18 | marcos2 | MikeH: or office xp via crossover office |
| 05:45.21 | peterS | hi dpkg, hi helix |
| 05:45.31 | helix | :) |
| 05:45.35 | Wyzard | tops: Yes, "-R" reverses a patch. It actually just switches the ideas of the "old" and "new" versions of the file. |
| 05:45.48 | MikeH | marcos2: well i only have officexp which wont run in win98 |
| 05:45.50 | rahul | heh |
| 05:45.50 | xel | hey helix |
| 05:46.03 | marcos2 | MikeH: check Crossovers support, what error do u get? |
| 05:46.09 | tops | k, thanks |
| 05:46.11 | droopy | How do you auto mount a flash usb drive with a encrypted loop |
| 05:46.19 | Wyzard | marcos2: Why would you recommend '98 for anything? |
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| 05:46.40 | peterS | droopy: very carefully |
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| 05:47.05 | helix | peterS: that is _so_ played out |
| 05:47.11 | MikeH | marcos2: i get a dialog that just literally says "A Newer version of windows is required" |
| 05:47.14 | peterS | droopy: I guess it depends on how you partitioned the drive |
| 05:47.17 | peterS | helix: I wasn't finished |
| 05:47.18 | marcos2 | Wyzard: i dont know, all windows suck, xp, is the best they have come out yet, although i head good things of server 2003, nodaways, all pirate versions crash everytime, i try to avoid using windows, unless i really need somehting form it |
| 05:47.31 | marcos2 | s/head/heard |
| 05:47.38 | marcos2 | s/form/from |
| 05:47.49 | peterS | droopy: you've got a single encrypted partition, or you did the whole drive, or you have an encrypted filesystem as a file *inside* a VFAT partition ... or what? |
| 05:48.11 | VynoM | hmm... my hdb didn't mount |
| 05:48.21 | Wyzard | marcos2: 2K, XP, and 2003 are of the NT lineage, which is much more solid and stable than the DOS lineage which '98 belongs to |
| 05:48.38 | rahul | hdb shouldn't mount. usually |
| 05:48.50 | Recon1 | if i use apt to install nessus will it auto install all the necessary gtk dependencies? |
| 05:48.51 | rahul | it shouldn't be used, preferably |
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| 05:48.57 | peterS | VynoM: hdb is a CD-ROM, or a hard disk? |
| 05:49.00 | Wyzard | Recon1: yes |
| 05:49.01 | marcos2 | MikeH: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/support/docs/cxoffice/troubleshooting?cw=f5cd8f4f76bd33eaf91744cadbebd35e |
| 05:49.02 | VynoM | rahul ok |
| 05:49.10 | VynoM | peterS hard disk |
| 05:49.14 | marcos2 | Wyzard: Well Yeah, still Windows Sucks |
| 05:49.15 | droopy | peterS have made zip disk with the loop as the whole disk just got flash haven't deceided what is best?? |
| 05:49.17 | VynoM | two 80GB hdd |
| 05:49.18 | peterS | VynoM: in that case it probably has partitions. try /dev/hdb1 or whatever |
| 05:49.19 | Recon1 | i edited the cources lemme try it now |
| 05:49.25 | Recon1 | brb |
| 05:49.27 | Wyzard | Recon1: apt downloads the package you ask for and anything else it depends on, and installs them all using dpkg |
| 05:49.32 | marcos2 | Wyzard: Im getting a mac, then i wont need windows anymore |
| 05:49.40 | VynoM | peterS I just tried a df and a mount. I'll check after I get things rolling |
| 05:49.54 | Recon1 | wyzard: then i think me and apt are gonna to get to know each other ;) |
| 05:49.54 | peterS | droopy: well, if you want to use the whole disk as your encrypted thing, and you don't need it to work on other machines like windows boxes, I guess you can do just what you did with the zip disk |
| 05:50.04 | Wyzard | marcos2: If you're running Debian, you don't need Windows even if you don't have a Mac |
| 05:50.15 | Justin_ | marcos2: yeah, then you'll have to pay $130 for os upgrades every few months |
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| 05:50.32 | theWuN | I am trying to setup deb on my toshiba satellite notebook, but the ttys are only 640x480. I have been on linux-laptops, and have not found anything very useful (i tryed passing vga=0x305 (or what ever number it is) in /etc/lilo.conf, but that didnt do anything) |
| 05:50.41 | droopy | peterS ok how do I mount the loop device on plug-in |
| 05:50.44 | Recon1 | says couldn't find package nessus |
| 05:50.47 | marcos2 | Wyzard: since theres no serious competittion to windows, like serious, working os, stable and stuff, and pretty, and that can handle windows apps... that would sell thousands.. |
| 05:50.50 | marcos2 | Justin_: no, ill get pirate versions |
| 05:50.53 | theWuN | is this a re-install-with-different-options sorta thing, or just mess around with settings sorta thing? |
| 05:50.55 | rahul | theWuN: wtf is /etc/lilo.conf |
| 05:50.56 | peterS | droopy: the advantage of just creating a filesystem *inside* a vfat partition is that you can change your mind later about its size, without a lot of hassle resizing the vfat partition to make room for the other |
| 05:51.02 | Wyzard | theWuN: Along with the vga= option, you need to pass video=vesa or whatever |
| 05:51.04 | marcos2 | Wyzard: running debian sid and xp here, 20gb for each os |
| 05:51.09 | VynoM | hmm... would cat /proc/input/mice echo any "mouse" movements so I can assure of that setting? |
| 05:51.20 | rahul | marcos2: in order to handle windows apps, the OS can't be stable |
| 05:51.20 | theWuN | rahul: the lilo configureation file (i guess..) |
| 05:51.21 | peterS | VynoM: /dev/input/mice |
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| 05:51.32 | rahul | oh, right |
| 05:51.33 | peterS | VynoM: and I'd use 'od -tx1' rather than 'cat', to avoid getting weird chars on console |
| 05:51.34 | Wyzard | marcos2: 2003 and sid here, 20GB drives for the OSes but I have 400GB for /home :-) |
| 05:51.37 | rahul | wow, it's been a while :P |
| 05:51.40 | VynoM | peterS Ahhh... thanks. No wonder then. |
| 05:51.51 | theWuN | Wyzard: I have been looking at lilo.conf files, and its not there. Il give it a try |
| 05:51.52 | marcos2 | rahul: well yeah, But, then itll be like linux, it took, years to get decent apps for it |
| 05:51.53 | Wyzard | marcos2: I rarely boot Windows though |
| 05:52.00 | marcos2 | Wyzard: 400gb? |
| 05:52.13 | rahul | marcos2: not really. decent apps have existed all along. even before linux. |
| 05:52.14 | Wyzard | marcos2: 3-drive LVM |
| 05:52.29 | fooz | Wyzard, i hope you're not just concatenating them.. |
| 05:52.38 | marcos2 | Wyzard: I have 40gb 20/20 windows/linux, 8gb mp3/files i use for transfering from windows to linux, since ntfs write support is experimental |
| 05:52.49 | Wyzard | theWuN: append=video=vesa:mtrr |
| 05:53.03 | marcos2 | Wyzard: My pc is great, i just upgraded it a few months ago, so i dont care, this year im getting a mac |
| 05:53.07 | theWuN | Wyzard: aight, il try that now |
| 05:53.09 | Recon1 | apt cant seem to find nessus |
| 05:53.11 | | Recon1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:53.20 | peterS | droopy: are you using hotplug? |
| 05:53.30 | Wyzard | fooz: The new 200GB drive hasn't been added in yet, but the 80GB and 120GB drives are concatenated |
| 05:53.41 | fooz | Wyzard, that's just asking for data loss |
| 05:53.45 | Recon1 | clear |
| 05:53.49 | peterS | droopy: if so, create a script in /etc/hotplug.d/usb/ or somewhere. I don't remember the arguments it takes, exactly, so you'll have to rtfm a bit |
| 05:53.50 | marcos2 | Wyzard: then i wont need windows.. since i do use photoshop/ illustrator / after effects, etc.. all of those are available for mac.... |
| 05:53.51 | VynoM | hmm... no such device. I wonder if I set that up wrong |
| 05:53.54 | Recon1 | oops |
| 05:54.01 | rahul | Wyzard: expect to need to backup and restore every 6 months |
| 05:54.16 | Wyzard | fooz: I've had this setup for over a year |
| 05:54.16 | rahul | Wyzard: and hope you don't lose any/all data along the way |
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| 05:54.28 | fooz | heh |
| 05:54.38 | fooz | Wyzard, oh well, it's your data.. |
| 05:54.40 | droopy | peterS yes...ok THANKS :)~ |
| 05:54.43 | rahul | Wyzard: time for you to lose all your data :) |
| 05:54.52 | Wyzard | fooz: I'm pretty sure LVM can sustain the loss of one disk in a volume group and still access the rest of the group, though I'll be testing that shortly |
| 05:55.02 | rahul | ah... the age of the 1-year drive. |
| 05:55.17 | peterS | Wyzard: good luck. my impression was that it falls over in that situation |
| 05:55.19 | theWuN | Wyzard: nope, adding video=... to /etc/lilo.conf didnt fix it. |
| 05:55.23 | fooz | Wyzard, i doubt it.. i'd personally use linux md and put an lvm on top of that. |
| 05:55.36 | fooz | linux md has nicer recovery/force-and-ignore-errors modes |
| 05:55.48 | fooz | but i wouldn't concat in the first place |
| 05:55.50 | rdancer | theWuN: what is the LCD physical resolution then? |
| 05:56.02 | theWuN | Normaly it wouldent be much of a problem, if everything was on the screen, but text gos below what i can see, making it real hard to set up stuff (or do anything) |
| 05:56.05 | Wyzard | fooz: Using a filesystem that keeps backup superblocks, I should be able to mount and access data from the remaining disks if one of them dies |
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| 05:56.10 | theWuN | rdancer: 1024x768 |
| 05:56.10 | VynoM | ok... is there any way to just format two hdd and delete all partions at once? |
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| 05:56.32 | theWuN | When I was using knoppix, it was all auto-detected and worked just fine |
| 05:56.38 | VynoM | I think I need to start from scratch |
| 05:56.41 | _mechanix | hello guyz |
| 05:56.42 | rahul | Wyzard: unless the inodes lost were directory inodes |
| 05:56.42 | peterS | fooz: oh yeah. RAID1 is teh bomb, for fast reads and safety against hardware failure |
| 05:56.44 | fooz | Wyzard, 1) if you striped things, there's no chance of recovering anything important 2) the disks are all very large, everything will end up on the first of the two drives.. |
| 05:56.53 | rahul | hmm, actually, lost+found would deal with that. hah. |
| 05:56.54 | theWuN | I would just use that to get configs from, but it dosent boot any more |
| 05:56.55 | rdancer | theWuN: kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x318 |
| 05:57.03 | Wyzard | fooz: Redundancy would be nice, but I'm not about to mirror 400GB. I'm looking into using EVMS to mirror part of it, though |
| 05:57.23 | theWuN | rdancer isnt that the other boot manager... |
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| 05:57.32 | theWuN | the one that isnt lilo |
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| 05:57.55 | rahul | what's the point of having a 200GB drive if there's no way you'd buy a replacement/mirror? |
| 05:57.55 | rdancer | theWuN: is a generic vesa fb, and works for me |
| 05:57.58 | Wyzard | fooz: Actually it gets distributed evenly... that avoids fragmentation |
| 05:58.20 | fooz | Wyzard, like I said.. your data :) I hope you've got some nice big fat tape drives and that you use them regularly |
| 05:58.40 | Fulcrum99 | Do I need ip_forward=yes for IP masquerading? |
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| 05:59.10 | rahul | Fulcrum99: yes |
| 05:59.26 | theWuN | rdancer: right now, this is my /etc/lilo.conf file: boot=/dev/hda delay=30 (that dosent do anything for some reason...) prompt (neither does that) video=vesa:mtrr vga=0x318 image=/vmlinuz.... |
| 05:59.28 | rahul | Fulcrum99: ip masq just munges packets as they're forwarded |
| 05:59.29 | rdancer | theWuN: grub(8) |
| 05:59.43 | Wyzard | fooz: I'd by a tape drive if I could afford one good enough to back up 400GB without taking forever and using a million tapes. I'm a college student and this is a desktop PC, not a corporate data center. |
| 05:59.50 | theWuN | rdancer: why do i need to look at grub, im using lilo >_< |
| 05:59.52 | Wyzard | fooz: And no, I'm not striping |
| 05:59.54 | Fulcrum99 | rahul, ok thanks |
| 05:59.57 | fooz | ugh |
| 06:00.17 | fooz | Wyzard, well it all boils down to how much you care about your data. don't expect to be able to get anything if one of your drives crashes |
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| 06:00.25 | rdancer | theWuN: if those don't do anything, why vga=... should? |
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| 06:00.27 | Fulcrum99 | What would 255.255.255.255 as an iptables destination refer to? |
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| 06:00.38 | rdancer | theWuN: lilo --verbose ?? |
| 06:00.41 | VynoM | !tell VynoM about no screen found |
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| 06:00.49 | Wyzard | fooz: I expect to be able to get to anything on the drives that didn't crash. |
| 06:00.51 | rahul | Fulcrum99: global broadcast |
| 06:00.54 | mechan0r | a college stufent with half a terabyte of hard drive space arrest him and see if he has any e-almanacs in fact just rename all his files to e-almanac |
| 06:00.55 | VynoM | hmmm... what's that command again? |
| 06:01.02 | VynoM | !t VynoM no screen found |
| 06:01.04 | rahul | Fulcrum99: it's an IP address |
| 06:01.07 | fooz | Wyzard, your expectations are probably too high |
| 06:01.17 | fooz | i was never crazy enough to find that out for sure :) |
| 06:01.36 | Fulcrum99 | rahul, hm... why would ipmasq set a rule to accept all packets to the broadcast destination regardless of source? |
| 06:01.37 | theWuN | rdancer: thanks, im just re-booting to see if that works now |
| 06:01.38 | Justin_ | Fulcrum99: the broadcst address |
| 06:02.04 | Justin_ | Fulcrum99: is the default policy deny? |
| 06:02.05 | rdancer | theWuN: good luck, captain! |
| 06:02.05 | rahul | Fulcrum99: because that's how it's supposed to work |
| 06:02.24 | Wyzard | fooz: I'm pretty sure LVM keeps enough metadata on each disk to be able to activate a volume group even if part of it is missing, but I do plan on testing that once I move everything from the current 200GB 2-disk LVM over to the new 200GB single disk |
| 06:02.24 | fooz | Wyzard, really, if you can afford 120/200GB drives.. you're richer than I am. you should be able to afford tape, or one more 200GB drive (to build a nice RAID1 or RAID5 with), or you probably don't care about your data |
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| 06:02.27 | rahul | Fulcrum99: global broadcasts can come from any (global) source |
| 06:02.29 | theWuN | wow! it works! thanks rdancer |
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| 06:02.47 | Wyzard | fooz: I didn't afford them, I got them as Christmas gifts over the past three years. :-) |
| 06:02.53 | fooz | heh |
| 06:03.07 | rdancer | theWuN: ceeelleeebraa-ation! |
| 06:03.08 | rahul | Wyzard: you need to find better gift-givers |
| 06:03.09 | arvden | can anyone tell me what i need to do to make X boot at a nice level of 0 when the computer starts? |
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| 06:03.25 | CompWizrd | fooz: you can get a 120 gig drive for 60-70 bucks nowadays :) |
| 06:03.27 | rahul | arvden: wha? |
| 06:03.32 | fooz | CompWizrd, not a good one.. |
| 06:03.36 | rdancer | Wyzard: RAID <what> is LVM? |
| 06:03.39 | CompWizrd | fooz: maxtor, wd, seagate |
| 06:03.40 | arvden | renice X to 0 |
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| 06:03.53 | CompWizrd | i've seen all of those in that price range |
| 06:03.54 | fooz | CompWizrd, brand doesn't matter. it's model. which model? |
| 06:04.01 | fooz | what kind of warranty? (because it varies) |
| 06:04.01 | arvden | how do i get it to do that at startup |
| 06:04.02 | CompWizrd | the 8 meg cache models of each |
| 06:04.05 | CompWizrd | 3 year warranty |
| 06:04.11 | mechan0r | rahul he wants his gui to be slower than all of his other apps um yeah... |
| 06:04.12 | peterS | rdancer: LVM is something between RAID 0 and JBOD |
| 06:04.14 | Wyzard | fooz: I'm interested in mirroring a portion of the space -- maybe using the 80GB drive as a mirror for part of the remaining 320 -- but I don't have hardware RAID and running LVM over MD seems a little ugly... that's why I'm looking into EVMS |
| 06:04.22 | Justin_ | arvden: grep nice /etc/X11/* |
| 06:04.27 | Wyzard | JBOD ? |
| 06:04.33 | peterS | Wyzard: you can run MD over LVM, rather than LVM over MD, if you want |
| 06:04.44 | Wyzard | rahul: Where do you get the idea that they'll fail in a year? |
| 06:04.45 | rahul | mechan0r: huh? |
| 06:04.47 | fooz | peterS, scary |
| 06:04.48 | peterS | Wyzard: JBOD = just a bunch of disks. basically, concatenating disks together into one big volume |
| 06:04.52 | Wyzard | lol |
| 06:04.54 | fooz | Wyzard, almost all drives fail in a year.. |
| 06:04.57 | rahul | Wyzard: because they're 1-year disposable drives |
| 06:05.00 | MikeH | marcos2: i think i found it, it still had the old "dotwine" file which was setting the windows version as windows98 nomatter what |
| 06:05.06 | fooz | Wyzard, well, big ones |
| 06:05.10 | rdancer | Wyzard: JBOD => no redundancy at all |
| 06:05.26 | rahul | Wyzard: they increase the data density without increasing the accuracy of the media. |
| 06:05.27 | arvden | Justin_: excellent, thank you |
| 06:05.32 | rdancer | Wyzard: use RAID >1 instead |
| 06:05.35 | Wyzard | In that case, LVM is JBOD with the flexibility to move stuff around |
| 06:05.55 | rdancer | Wyzard: if you want redundancy |
| 06:05.57 | Wyzard | Essentially, noncontiguous partitions that can span multiple physical disks |
| 06:05.57 | fooz | Wyzard, I have no hardware RAID either. I run LVM on top of MD on any machine I care about |
| 06:06.01 | fooz | with RAID1 |
| 06:06.01 | peterS | Wyzard: yes |
| 06:06.18 | fooz | works great. I can unplug an IDE disk while it's running, keeps going.. reboot and it'll boot from the 2nd drive if the first one's gone.. |
| 06:06.27 | Tchiak | is there a package for Java? |
| 06:06.37 | nvz | Tchiak: lots of them |
| 06:06.42 | peterS | Wyzard: but many if not all LVM implementations let you specify that a logical volume stripes across whichever disks you want it to. hence the comparison to RAID 0 |
| 06:06.46 | nvz | Tchiak: regular or decaf? |
| 06:06.47 | Justin_ | fooz: i have raid 1 on my ultra2, but it doesnt boot by itself because silo sucks |
| 06:06.48 | beta3 | Justin_: you sitll there? |
| 06:06.53 | Justin_ | beta3: no |
| 06:06.57 | Tchiak | one that works with mozilla |
| 06:07.01 | beta3 | Justin_: sorry I didn't see that |
| 06:07.08 | Wyzard | rahul: I don't buy cheap drives like consumer systems come with... though even those tend to last more than a year |
| 06:07.08 | Justin_ | !tell Tchiak about sid mozilla java |
| 06:07.16 | beta3 | Justin_: ok, I have ser supposedly setup, do you have kphone nearby? |
| 06:07.27 | nvz | Tchiak: you should be able to get java-common and j2se-common right now.. then you need to install a j2re and link the plugin |
| 06:07.30 | rahul | Wyzard: well, if they don't, you have no recourse |
| 06:07.43 | Justin_ | beta3: not where I can hear anything |
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| 06:07.50 | Wyzard | peterS: I'm not striping because new disks can't be added to a stripe set |
| 06:07.55 | beta3 | Justin_: what do you mean? |
| 06:08.07 | marcos2 | Justin_: what kind of music do u listen to ? |
| 06:08.11 | Justin_ | beta3: i can run it, but i'm 200 miles away from the speakes |
| 06:08.23 | fooz | my server has two 80GB drives in RAID1.. I'd like to have 160GB of space, but some resiliency is more important to me |
| 06:08.23 | beta3 | Justin_: thats not important |
| 06:08.28 | beta3 | its more important it connects |
| 06:08.40 | peterS | Wyzard: when I said striping, I was referring to individual LVs inside a volume group. with most LVM implementations you can stripe those if you want, and rearrange their physical positions after the fact too |
| 06:08.57 | Justin_ | fooz: i realized for drivers a 1/3 2/3 split works good.. |
| 06:09.12 | beta3 | Justin_: so you wanna give it a go? |
| 06:09.12 | fooz | Justin_, huh? |
| 06:09.15 | Justin_ | fooz: 1/3+1/3 as raid 0, 2/3+2/3 as raid 1 |
| 06:09.31 | Justin_ | so if the drive was 90G, you'd have 60gigs of raid1, and 60 gigs of raid0 |
| 06:09.43 | fooz | ah |
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| 06:09.48 | fooz | i don't want to leave anything up to chance |
| 06:09.52 | fooz | i will only use raid1 or raid5 |
| 06:10.00 | Wyzard | peterS: Well, I only have one LV that's important, the one for /home |
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| 06:10.09 | Justin_ | yeah, i have mine as raid 1, and if i run out of space I can always split it up |
| 06:10.11 | fooz | if the machine suddenly can't boot, i'm up shit creek :) it's 360 miles away |
| 06:10.24 | Justin_ | though I also realized that theres no reason why you cant stripe existing drives |
| 06:10.37 | Solitarius | With 2.4.23, I got a strange problem with ip_nat_irc.o module when using 'ports=6660', error is 'error registering helper for port 6660'. Does it ring bell for someone? |
| 06:10.38 | beta3 | Justin_: ??? |
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| 06:10.56 | iac2 | Hi. I'm looking to install Deb, and was wondering about security updates having read the Deb site. I'd like to install testing, but I'm not sure if the updates are good enough (frequency wise)? Anyone have any opinions |
| 06:11.05 | Justin_ | if you had an existing 100G drive, you could make a raid0/ raid 5 array |
| 06:11.09 | rahul | Solitarius: sounds like there was some error registering a helper on that port |
| 06:11.11 | Wyzard | fooz: I have a fileserver downstairs that has an 80GB disk and a 200GB disk, and I'd like to make an 80GB mirrored portion and a 120GB non-mirrored portion. I'm interested in EVMS as sort of a cleaner LVM+MD |
| 06:11.23 | beta3 | raid 5 is the only useful raid |
| 06:11.28 | holycow | omfg, they actually had a successfull landing on mars |
| 06:11.29 | holycow | heh |
| 06:11.30 | VynoM | ugh... I'm using kernel 2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:11.35 | fooz | Wyzard, I don't trust EVMS because you can't even "unuse" a volume group yet |
| 06:11.39 | holycow | what are the batting 2 in 500? :) |
| 06:11.45 | Justin_ | holycow: just like the one about 6 years ago! |
| 06:11.45 | fooz | so, no removable media or online recovery |
| 06:11.48 | beta3 | holycow: yeah I just heard that on 1800-555-Tell |
| 06:11.51 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 06:11.53 | fooz | unless they changed that recently |
| 06:12.07 | holycow | well if its on slashdot its gotta be true! |
| 06:12.08 | holycow | lol :D |
| 06:12.09 | Justin_ | beta3: 1 sec |
| 06:12.09 | beta3 | Justin_: they think they found life this time, AGAIN! |
| 06:12.09 | Solitarius | rahul, Yeah but it's the same for all ports except 6667 (the default). |
| 06:12.31 | Wyzard | fooz: Even if not, that's not highly important in a home file server |
| 06:12.36 | fooz | Wyzard, if you want a cleaner LVM, just use linux 2.6 with its device mapper |
| 06:12.45 | fooz | in 2.6 the LVM is mostly in userland |
| 06:12.53 | theWuN | Allright, now on to my next problem. When I try to startx, I get a "Fatal server error: no screens found". I have run xf86config, and I have tryed using a config I found on the net (from someone with the same sort of laptop as I do). How can I add "screens" so it will work? |
| 06:12.55 | Wyzard | fooz: I am -- that's lvm2 |
| 06:13.03 | Justin_ | !tell theWuN about set up x |
| 06:13.07 | karsten | beta3: Are you that stupid naturally or does it take an effort? |
| 06:13.21 | Wyzard | fooz: But it still doesn't provide redundancy. My understanding of EVMS is that it builds on device-mapper as well, and can do anything LVM can do plus anything MD can do |
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| 06:13.24 | holycow | btw ladies and gentlemen, the debian community has my gratefull thanks once again. once again a useless windows user fucked up their windows laptop so bad i had to send knoppix to the rescue |
| 06:13.26 | rahul | Solitarius: so what was the error? |
| 06:13.28 | holycow | yaaay knoppi! |
| 06:13.29 | sussudio | karsten: i don't think there's effort involved |
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| 06:13.33 | holycow | yaaay debian! |
| 06:13.34 | holycow | huzzah! |
| 06:13.49 | peterS | Wyzard: that's the general idea. it's a one-stop shop for RAID and LVM. |
| 06:14.01 | peterS | Wyzard: whether this is seen as a good idea or a bad idea depends on the toolset you're used to, I guess |
| 06:14.01 | fooz | Wyzard, yeah, but md provides redundancy. they're both in the standard kernel and very robust. it doesn't really hurt anything to layer them |
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| 06:14.07 | Justin_ | beta3: okie, got kphone |
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| 06:14.12 | beta3 | karsten: no thats just your brain flushing down toilet |
| 06:14.14 | Recon1 | when i run apt-get -f install it tells me libgtk1.2-dev will be removed. how do i upgrade gtk to the point i can use nessus? |
| 06:14.15 | karsten | theWuN: apt-get install x-window-system; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:14.16 | holycow | i swear, i'm going to make a business out of it |
| 06:14.20 | beta3 | Justin_: ok for identity, Ill query you |
| 06:14.24 | fooz | linux md will try to keep going even in the face of internal errors, which is nice |
| 06:14.46 | holycow | my ads are going to read: "if your a useless windows twit and have fuxed up your boxxen AGAIN, call 1800knoppix" |
| 06:14.52 | holycow | heh |
| 06:14.54 | droopy | what the heck...I just hit my page up key and scared the hell out of myself :)~ |
| 06:14.57 | Wyzard | Recon1: You don't need libgtk1.2-dev |
| 06:15.01 | holycow | i should register that, it actually can be a real number |
| 06:15.05 | holycow | :) |
| 06:15.09 | rahul | theWuN: apt-get --purge remove xdm, and say yes when it asks to remove x-window-system, too |
| 06:15.14 | Solitarius | rahul: ip_nat_irc.c say 'error registering helper for port 6660' and ip_nat_helper.c return -EBUSY which, in turn, shoot out 'Device or resource busy' |
| 06:15.36 | rahul | Solitarius: looks like it thiks the port is in use? |
| 06:15.41 | droopy | What is better encryption serpent aes des ?? |
| 06:15.44 | rahul | strange. |
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| 06:15.55 | Justin_ | droopy: aes is better than des |
| 06:15.56 | karsten | ~tell droopy about better |
| 06:16.10 | droopy | Justin_ that what I thought |
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| 06:16.26 | peterS | droopy: des is crap. 3des is proven, but slow. aes is somewhat proven, and medium-fast. serpent, ditto, but I don't know so much about it |
| 06:16.44 | karsten | droopy: DES is weak. 3DES is IIRC acceptable, but slow. AES/Blowfish are considered good, Blowfish is fast. |
| 06:16.48 | Solitarius | rahul: I don't thing so because I try with high port number (55555) and reboot before doing so.. this could hardly be already in use (I think)... |
| 06:16.59 | droopy | peterS can't get any other modules to run... |
| 06:17.04 | fooz | aes has hardware support in VIA C3s.. but not under linux |
| 06:17.07 | karsten | droopy: man ssh will give you a brief rundown of varioius crytposystems. |
| 06:17.14 | peterS | fooz: no kidding? interesting |
| 06:17.20 | fooz | well, late-model VIA C3s |
| 06:17.57 | Wyzard | fooz: Maybe I'll just do MD over LVM for now, to make an 80GB mirrored filesystem |
| 06:17.59 | Recon1 | is /usr/local the best place to put installed software? |
| 06:18.07 | peterS | fooz: what sort of support? an extended instruction set that does things the aes algorithm needs real fast, or something? |
| 06:18.07 | rdancer | droopy: serpent iirc has some patent probles, verify this, aes is des successor as a US encryption standard. gets focused therefore, gets more testing |
| 06:18.16 | rdancer | s/probles/problems/ |
| 06:18.17 | karsten | Recon1: /usr/local is for site use. Non-Debian software. |
| 06:18.17 | fooz | peterS, hardware crypto |
| 06:18.27 | droopy | rdancer cool |
| 06:18.34 | fooz | peterS, like having a PCI crypto accelerator, but in the chip/chipset |
| 06:19.00 | peterS | rdancer: I thought serpent was an AES candidate? if so, the AES guidelines insisted on no patent encumbrance |
| 06:19.00 | Recon1 | karsten: so i should put my nessus install there? |
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| 06:19.00 | karsten | Recon1: You building from sources? |
| 06:19.00 | karsten | Recon1: In which case, yes. |
| 06:19.00 | Wyzard | Recon1: Don't install Nessus by compiling it |
| 06:19.03 | Wyzard | Recon1: Install the Debian package |
| 06:19.08 | Recon1 | karsten: using the nessusinstaller |
| 06:19.11 | rdancer | droopy, peter: i just read kerneli patch Configure.help |
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| 06:19.20 | peterS | rdancer: fair 'nuff |
| 06:19.24 | Recon1 | wyzard: it said it couldn't find it |
| 06:19.26 | shobhanb | hey... i'm having a problem using make-kpkg.. it's giving me a debconf error... (running updated sid) |
| 06:19.27 | theWuN | I just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree... and i still get the same problem. Will removing/reinstalling X fix that? |
| 06:19.46 | Wyzard | Recon1: Did you try it again after you fixed your sources.list ? |
| 06:19.54 | Recon1 | wyzard: yes |
| 06:20.00 | bztunk | theWuN: no, unless you are a dumbass and fucked up the files |
| 06:20.10 | Justin_ | !tell theWuN about X problem |
| 06:20.15 | rdancer | peterS: AES will _have_ to remain/be withdrown from pattents freeness/encumberentness, other candidates are free to get lock in |
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| 06:20.27 | bztunk | Justin_: it's been how much times you told him now? :D |
| 06:20.28 | holycow | does anyone know if this rover landed anywhere near the failed on and will look for it? |
| 06:20.37 | shobhanb | it sez.. can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep... no kidding.. there is no extra directory there! |
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| 06:20.39 | peterS | rdancer: could be. I thought all the candidates had to be unencumbered already. maybe I was mistaken |
| 06:20.42 | theWuN | bztunk: The only file i have changed is the XF68Config file, but i have also set it back to default =p |
| 06:20.51 | Recon1 | wyzard: is there a browsable list of debian packages, such as nessus? |
| 06:20.53 | VynoM | !tell VynoM about X problem |
| 06:20.53 | droopy | peterS so I can use autofs to mount my flash drive correct?? |
| 06:20.55 | rdancer | peterS: Not true, according to kerneli |
| 06:21.03 | VynoM | hehe... that's funny |
| 06:21.16 | RelDrgn | theWuN: most likely it means the refresh rates you set for the monitor are wrong, and the resolutions you've configured don't match any of the rates |
| 06:21.23 | peterS | droopy: probably. I'm not sure how to run complex things like dialog boxes that ask for passphrases, from autofs |
| 06:21.28 | rdancer | droopy: also, aes is the US standard tld, the given name was rijndael. hth |
| 06:21.37 | rdancer | s/tld/tla/ |
| 06:21.38 | bztunk | theWuN: anyways, this is linux, reinstalling is not the answer |
| 06:21.38 | VynoM | I actually have my XFree86-4 on my web server |
| 06:21.46 | RelDrgn | theWuN: (check that log for messages like "removing 640x480 - invalid refresh rate" or something like that |
| 06:21.47 | Wyzard | Recon1: Normally yes, packages.debian.org, but it's been down since the security compromise in late November |
| 06:22.10 | Wyzard | Recon1: "apt-cache search nessus" |
| 06:22.10 | Justin_ | !tell Recon1 about search |
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| 06:22.18 | mechan0r | removing 640x480 now bring a shrubbery ad you can have it back |
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| 06:22.38 | VynoM | and cut down a mighty oak with.... A HERRING!!! |
| 06:22.38 | VynoM | hehe |
| 06:22.58 | peterS | droopy,rdancer: note that 'aes' is not a single algo - since it is specified for 128, 192 and 256 bit keys, you often have to specify which one you intend to use |
| 06:23.04 | theWuN | RelDrgn: How would I find them? Right now I am using the refresh/sync rates from an article on linux-on-laptops.com. |
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| 06:23.54 | rdancer | peterS: not a cryptologist, but it goes like same algo, different keylength/number of rounds |
| 06:24.04 | VynoM | hehe... I'm not Jesus.... My name's Brian |
| 06:24.17 | Recon1 | nessus is now installing....thanks guys! |
| 06:24.29 | mechan0r | instead of a bitshuffling algorithm we need a bitflushing algorithm and toilet bowl cleaner |
| 06:24.36 | rdancer | peterS: really not a completely different, as i.e. are 802.11b different algos just grouped under one iso number |
| 06:24.38 | peterS | rdancer: yes. still, when telling an app what algo you want to use, you usually have to be specific. ssh, for example, calls them "aes128-cbc", "aes192-cbc" and "aes256-cbc" |
| 06:24.42 | Recon1 | Is nessus the best scanner to use on a mixed environment? |
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| 06:24.58 | rdancer | peterS: cbc vs. ecb is another issue |
| 06:25.08 | droopy | peterS I am using the binary 2.6.09 kernel and loading a heck of alot of modules I know aes and serpent work but have not tested anything else. Do you have to use a loopback device to access the kernel api??? |
| 06:25.15 | nvz | mechan0r: was that a joke? |
| 06:25.16 | rdancer | peterS: protocol u chose, etc. |
| 06:25.37 | rdancer | peterS: just claiming I use a nifty cipher doesn't say anything |
| 06:25.43 | mechan0r | nvz I hope it was or I have to send it back to information adjustment |
| 06:25.45 | peterS | rdancer: that's something I know little about. ssh seems to only support cbc for its various algorithms, so I assume that has been judged more suitable for that sort of use. I never did learn what the difference is exactly |
| 06:25.49 | RelDrgn | theWuN: theres a few choices, you can try XFree86 -configure if you're using X > 4.0 and your video card and monitor are "new enough" to autodetect stuff |
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| 06:26.16 | zenlunatic | Whats a way to download all the image files on a website? |
| 06:26.19 | nvz | mechan0r: yeah it fell a few miles from me I guess |
| 06:26.27 | rdancer | go figure |
| 06:26.32 | bztunk | zenlunatic: with wget |
| 06:26.44 | peterS | zenlunatic: some invocation of 'wget -r', I guess. be careful with it, it's easy to get it to recurse further than you intended |
| 06:27.14 | RelDrgn | theWuN: when I was starting out I had a monitor that I had no idea what the rates were, so I picked some resolutions I wanted and then looked up some Modelines for those resolutions at sane (ie 60hz, not 120hz) refresh rates, and plugged in ranges of refresh rates to cover them.. (not really advised on a CRT. not sure what would happen if you got it wrong on a LCD |
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| 06:27.43 | theWuN | RelDrgn: I tryed that too.. Im just uploading up all the outputs of everything and such now |
| 06:27.45 | mechan0r | nvz that one should have never goitten off the ground must check the turbocheese injector in emulsion engine of the craft or it could really just be Tuesday |
| 06:28.08 | rdancer | peterS: bah! how will you tell sshd mitm is feeding you a forget certificate? ``Would you like to add the host ... to the list of trusted hosts?'' |
| 06:28.22 | Tchiak | darn it i can't get java to work on this danged thing |
| 06:28.23 | rdancer | s/forget/forged/ |
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| 06:28.44 | Tchiak | i downloaded and compiled mozilla 1.5 |
| 06:28.46 | nvz | mechan0r: see no thats amusing.. stuff like that will keep you out of the mental hospital, people will want to keep you around just for the entertainment |
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| 06:28.51 | rahul | zoof: doesn't 2.6 support crypto implementation modules? |
| 06:28.56 | Tchiak | and i have sun jre2.1.4_03 installed as well |
| 06:28.58 | peterS | rdancer: the way to prevent that is for the site admin to compile a master list of host keys, distribute it out, then set the default in ssh_config to reject unknown keys without asking |
| 06:29.00 | ShadowFoxLSU | what is the name of the 2.6 Kernel package? |
| 06:29.01 | fooz | rahul, yes |
| 06:29.09 | rahul | zoof: ISTR them putting in support for hardware implementations |
| 06:29.15 | fooz | istr? |
| 06:29.19 | fooz | oh |
| 06:29.20 | peterS | fooz: I seem to remember |
| 06:29.20 | rahul | dumbass |
| 06:29.24 | sussudio | ~foozball |
| 06:29.26 | | How to play foozball; Tie a fooz to a fussball table and drop mouseballs (the little heavy ones) In strategic places. You get a point for every scream of agony. |
| 06:29.29 | rahul | @penixstrike zoof |
| 06:29.35 | RelDrgn | rdancer: well if its the first time youre connecting, unless you happen to have memorized or received the hostkey some other way, you'll just have to hope (or hope that you got the key correctly ;). |
| 06:29.47 | fooz | rahul, why would i know what that means? |
| 06:29.51 | VynoM | ugh... this is annoying. Looking all over to get this to work. |
| 06:29.54 | fooz | rahul, maybe they did |
| 06:29.56 | rdancer | peterS: the reasonable defaults are overimportant wrt security |
| 06:29.56 | rahul | zoof: because I said so |
| 06:30.03 | fooz | i don't care |
| 06:30.05 | iac2 | Hi. I'm looking to install Deb, and was wondering about security updates having read the Deb site. I'd like to install testing, but I'm not sure if the updates are good enough (frequency/speed wise)? I noticed that according to the security FAQ, testing is not offically supported by the Deb security team. Could anyone tell me how healthy/speedy the updates are in testing please? |
| 06:30.13 | mechan0r | nvz I watched Brazil last night that combined with the fact that SO hated it has left me unglued state of mind |
| 06:30.16 | rahul | zoof: neither do I |
| 06:30.22 | sudo | has anyone gotten courier-imap and postfix working from stable debian apt-get? |
| 06:30.22 | mechan0r | er my SO |
| 06:30.25 | rdancer | RelDrgn: even if you _have_ the correct key, that's the point |
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| 06:30.44 | sudo | I installed them both, mail comes into system from outside, but cant access via telnet |
| 06:30.45 | peterS | rdancer: just having a complete collection of valid host keys is a good start. then you get the "@@@@@@@ someone might be doing something nasty @@@@@@@" message at least |
| 06:30.59 | droopy | iac2 unstable RULES :)~ |
| 06:31.01 | RelDrgn | iac2: IIRC testing does not receive any update until it has been in SID a number of days. |
| 06:31.08 | Wyzard | iac2: testing is last to get security fixes... the security team doesn't backport fixes for it, and it only gets new versions after they've been in unstable for a while |
| 06:31.08 | rdancer | RelDrgn, peterS: effectively, if ssh client will not remind of a forged key, it's generaly useless. go telnet, it's CPU cheaper |
| 06:31.10 | mwilson | iac2: Testing does not have security updates. |
| 06:31.19 | nvz | iac2: unstable doesnt have security updates because things are updated so rapidly, security fixes just happen |
| 06:31.32 | nvz | testing no longer has security fixes? |
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| 06:31.40 | mwilson | nvz: Testing never has. |
| 06:31.52 | fooz | unstable has no fixes because it's a run-it-at-your-own-risk distro |
| 06:31.55 | rdancer | peterS: did they change it? At least :-) |
| 06:32.00 | Solitarius | rahul, I got it.. ip_conntrack_irc must be loaded first with the ports, before insmod'ing ip_nat_irc with the same ports.. |
| 06:32.04 | fooz | fixes may happen quickly, or they may never happen |
| 06:32.06 | peterS | rdancer: that's a minor fallacy. MITM is only effective if you can *change* packets in the middle. just being able to sniff them isn't enough. thus ssh, even with a MITM vulnerability, still protects against more threats than telnet |
| 06:32.17 | Tchiak | can someone help me with my java situation? |
| 06:32.22 | VynoM | to "upgrade" to testing or unstable, I just change my sources.list file? Can I just change the stable to unstable in the ftp: line? |
| 06:32.40 | VynoM | ie ftp.rutgers.edu.blah.foo stable contrib |
| 06:32.43 | rdancer | peterS: s/minor/fatal/ |
| 06:32.46 | sussudio | ~cluebat ShadowFoxLSU |
| 06:32.49 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ShadowFoxLSU. |
| 06:32.49 | nvz | mwilson: hmm. oh well, I could swear it did, but I've never used it and dont care to until its stable.. so I'll just take your word for it |
| 06:32.50 | rdancer | peterS: ;-) |
| 06:32.51 | sudo | the problem is when I login in from imap, the login dodesnt work |
| 06:32.58 | peterS | rdancer: there are situations where someone has read-only access to your packets - say, if they're looking at logs after the fact. even a MITM-vulnerable crypto protocol helps there. |
| 06:33.08 | sudo | i did telnet 127.0.0.1 143 and tried LOGIN uname passwd ,but got an error |
| 06:33.08 | ShadowFoxLSU | my laptop has been unstable for oh -- 1 week 6 days |
| 06:33.17 | iac2 | Thanks all, regarding updates. So stable or unstable are the way to go then by the sound of things. |
| 06:33.20 | rdancer | peterS: aware of |
| 06:33.34 | ShadowFoxLSU | ~apt |
| 06:33.36 | | from memory, apt is debian install tool or the same blootbot as ibot and jbot on freenode. see owner |
| 06:33.36 | ShadowFoxLSU | ? |
| 06:33.53 | Tchiak | PeterS: What do you know about java and mozilla? |
| 06:34.01 | droopy | mechan0r what does that mean :)~ |
| 06:34.01 | holycow | http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2003/details.htm <- v v v fookin xool |
| 06:34.03 | peterS | Tchiak: I avoid both, generally |
| 06:34.03 | holycow | cool even |
| 06:34.06 | ShadowFoxLSU | some one help me... i am pretty much a debian noobie (been using Red Hat/Fedora for 3 years) |
| 06:34.06 | rahul | Solitarius: ah, makes sense, actually |
| 06:34.19 | nvz | iac2: its just a matter of what you want really.. you should use stable at first, and only change if you need packages that are newer |
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| 06:34.25 | rahul | Solitarius: conntrack would set up the port helpers, nat would use them |
| 06:34.29 | peterS | Tchiak: although the mozilla-derived galeon *is* a decent browser, and they say good things about mozilla firebird |
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| 06:34.35 | RelDrgn | except isnt the MITM attack not on the crypto itself? I thought that mitm C between A and B would cause A to connect to C thinking it was talking to B, and B to connect to C thinking it was talking to A? |
| 06:34.37 | mechan0r | droopy it means they could never sniff the key |
| 06:34.41 | nvz | iac2: testing can often use security fixes from stable |
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| 06:35.02 | peterS | RelDrgn: yes, but with ssh host keys, you can prevent that from happening, because the hosts will know if they're not talking directly to each other |
| 06:35.15 | mwilson | nvz: When did that start? All they need is a libc6 dependency to shoot THAT one down. |
| 06:35.20 | rdancer | RelDrgn: it's not. a protocol one |
| 06:35.25 | peterS | RelDrgn: this requires prior knowledge - A and B have to already know how to recognise each other |
| 06:35.27 | droopy | mechan0r cool but I am only interested in physical security .... |
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| 06:35.37 | nvz | mwilson: I didnt say it works for everything.. but it has worked on some issues |
| 06:35.46 | peterS | RelDrgn: in the case of ssh, this is done by each host having a public/private key pair and everyone knowing everyone's public keys |
| 06:35.52 | mechan0r | peterS exactly how do they know if they're not talking directly |
| 06:36.00 | Segers_J | iac2: start with stable, keep it until you're ready to learn A LOT about sysadmin work. unstable will force you to learn much. |
| 06:36.03 | theWuN | anyway, im dead tired, i need to sleep. Thanks for the help guys |
| 06:36.07 | iac2 | nvz: Thanks. Sounds like I should start from stable then. I guess that I can always upgrade to testing or unstable later. |
| 06:36.13 | nvz | mwilson: like for kernel patches that didnt make it into testing right away |
| 06:36.14 | ShadowFoxLSU | crap... |
| 06:36.14 | peterS | mechan0r: that's the magic of public key cryptography. everyone has to have a copy of everyone else's public key, in advance. |
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| 06:36.20 | RelDrgn | peterS: right, that already knowing each other part is the hard part. |
| 06:36.30 | rdancer | RelDrgn: and the pubkeys can be spoofed... then goto mitm |
| 06:36.34 | ShadowFoxLSU | whats the name of the 2.6.0 kernel deb name so I can apt-get it? |
| 06:36.38 | mwilson | nvz: I think too much of my boxen to ever use a Xu kernel. |
| 06:36.41 | nvz | iac2: most all of us do, because its easier to start there and upgrade.. besides its best to learn on a well tested distro |
| 06:36.49 | peterS | rdancer: *if* the pubkeys can be spoofed. yeah. |
| 06:36.53 | bztunk | ShadowFoxLSU: it doesn't exist |
| 06:36.57 | RelDrgn | rdancer: without a private key? |
| 06:37.03 | ludwig | ShadowFoxLSU: try kernel-image-2.6 |
| 06:37.11 | nvz | mwilson: whats an Xu kernel? |
| 06:37.22 | rdancer | peterS: ok. yeah. |
| 06:37.22 | RelDrgn | see if someone released phony public keys and everyone took that, thats a distribution problem |
| 06:37.37 | peterS | RelDrgn: the other thing ssh does is cache each remote host's public key when it first encounters it. so, even without prior knowledge, if you don't get MITMed the first time you connect, you can't get MITMed at a later time either. |
| 06:37.38 | Wyzard | ShadowFoxLSU: 2.6 final isn't in the archive yet, though it probably will be fairly soon |
| 06:37.43 | nvz | I think I am going to whip out the 2.6.0 code again and start fiddling with my framebuffer.. a high res console would really be nice |
| 06:37.50 | mwilson | nvz: As in Herbert Xu, kernel-image maintainer. |
| 06:37.59 | RelDrgn | peterS: right, this is why you get the warning when the hostkey has changed |
| 06:38.00 | iac2 | Segers_J: Thanks. I'm pretty much OK on the sysadmin side, as have been using Linux since '94. Just concerned about getting timely updates really. have used various RH distros in the past. Am using Fedora now, but not absolutely happy with it. |
| 06:38.00 | mechan0r | rdancer then got mechan0r's key swapper... the only know fail case is autmatically detected and rejected so the MITM doesn't even know if keys have been swapped yet I really should write that one a gain it was fun coming up with it |
| 06:38.00 | ShadowFoxLSU | humm |
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| 06:38.03 | peterS | RelDrgn: this should be considered a workaround for distributing all the keys ahead of time. since the latter is not always practical |
| 06:38.04 | rdancer | RelDrgn: u post a key for rdancer and i shall got fucked |
| 06:38.12 | ShadowFoxLSU | apt-get kernel-image-2.6 worked |
| 06:38.14 | ShadowFoxLSU | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.32 | ShadowFoxLSU | though it's only test 9 |
| 06:38.33 | nvz | mwilson: oh, ok. well you use your own kernel even from installation? |
| 06:38.35 | ShadowFoxLSU | it's a start |
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| 06:38.49 | rdancer | mechan0r: don't understand |
| 06:38.54 | peterS | RelDrgn: exactly. the warning is, basically: "either you got MITMed the first time you connected to $REMOTEHOST, or you're being MITMed now." or, of course, the key was changed administratively (: |
| 06:39.02 | RelDrgn | peterS: right, but it still comes down to the first connection. if there is a MITM on the first conneciton, you cache the MITM key as the corret one |
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| 06:39.25 | peterS | RelDrgn: that's why it's only a workaround for not being able to distribute all the public keys ahead of time. |
| 06:39.32 | Wyzard | ShadowFoxLSU: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 06:39.34 | sudo | courier |
| 06:39.35 | mwilson | nvz: No, I use the install kernel long enough to get the box up. After that, it goes away. I'm not about to allow the disaster that is your average Debian kernel on any of my boxen. |
| 06:39.39 | peterS | RelDrgn: much better than nothing, but not at all foolproof |
| 06:39.59 | RelDrgn | peterS: right. |
| 06:40.03 | mechan0r | mwilson what do you keep/eveiscerate |
| 06:40.08 | Wyzard | ShadowFoxLSU: There are 2.6.0 final debs in the sid subdir |
| 06:40.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: disaster? |
| 06:40.43 | peterS | RelDrgn: a related way to accomplish this is 'ssh-keyscan'. scans whatever machines you want, gathering public keys. once again, if you get MITMed right then, you're still screwed |
| 06:40.45 | droopy | THANKS ALL!!! |
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| 06:40.55 | ShadowFoxLSU | thank you Wyzard |
| 06:41.02 | nvz | mwilson: yeah, I keep it long enough to get build tools and wget myself, but my main reason for building a kernel right away is for hardware compatibility, not so much lack of trust or faith in a maintainer |
| 06:41.20 | RelDrgn | peterS: hm |
| 06:42.00 | iac2 | nvz: Thanks. I'm pretty much OK on the sysadmin side, as have been using Linux since '94. Just concerned about getting timely updates really. have used various RH distros in the past. Am using Fedora now, but not absolutely happy with it. |
| 06:42.04 | Wyzard | RelDrgn: Packaged kernels, yes, but packaged kernel source isn't bad |
| 06:42.12 | holycow | wilson, can you expound on your views of a debian kernel in more detail par chance? |
| 06:42.14 | mwilson | Screw that noise. |
| 06:42.27 | mwilson | Not about to use Debian-packaged kernel source, either. |
| 06:42.33 | Wyzard | Why not? |
| 06:42.52 | nvz | iac2: well I am not concerned with your linux skills, debian is alot different, file structure, policy.. its all different, and its easier to get used to that stuff on a stable system |
| 06:43.09 | holycow | nvz, you said it brother |
| 06:43.11 | mwilson | I'm not at all interested in being a member of the how-many-untested-patches-can-we-cram-in-here club. |
| 06:43.11 | holycow | its sane |
| 06:43.36 | holycow | except for the fact that i dont get why flppies and cds get mounted in root dir by debian/discover |
| 06:43.37 | holycow | *grrr* |
| 06:43.48 | nvz | iac2: linux skills will only hinder your use of debian, especially if you are used to deadrat |
| 06:43.59 | mechan0r | holycow that's where debian does it |
| 06:44.19 | holycow | really? its so unclean, should be in mount |
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| 06:44.33 | fooz | should be wherever i want them |
| 06:44.35 | fooz | so i make it that way |
| 06:44.45 | holycow | what do i need to read/learn how to change that default? |
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| 06:45.04 | iac2 | nvz: Is file structure significantly diff then? Thought that was the idea of the FS standard? |
| 06:45.05 | mechan0r | standards can help you stand tall but they get in the way of that walking thing |
| 06:45.06 | nvz | holycow: which default? |
| 06:45.32 | nvz | iac2: what I mean is the location of things.. for example the init.d scripts and links are handled in a sane way |
| 06:45.34 | fooz | packaging stuff can be hard work |
| 06:45.40 | mechan0r | iac2 different but more FHS compatible thant others |
| 06:46.01 | nvz | iac2: debain's package system actually has policy and order as opposed to redhat's |
| 06:46.16 | mechan0r | runlevels are a silly hack |
| 06:46.23 | nvz | iac2: which requires everything on the system to behave a certain way |
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| 06:46.32 | holycow | nvz... discover mounts cdroms and other devices in root and i noticed that floppy is mounted in root be default as well even before i install discover ... i would like all floppies, cdroms, zips, scanners etc, mounted in /mnt/ if that makes sense? |
| 06:46.51 | nvz | mechan0r: dont appreciate the ability to start/stop alot of services all at once? |
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| 06:47.01 | mechan0r | probablin /etc/discover.conf or similar |
| 06:47.06 | fooz | linux init scripts in general are silly |
| 06:47.20 | bztunk | no |
| 06:47.27 | nvz | holycow: then you can only use one at a time? or in sub dirs of /mnt/? |
| 06:47.30 | mechan0r | nvz I don't see the point of runlevel 5 if you have ?dm installed |
| 06:47.31 | cafuego | !cricket bztunk |
| 06:47.32 | rdancer | holycow: i have /fl and /cd instead of /floppy & /cdrom no problem. Go ahead and change it |
| 06:47.39 | RelDrgn | personally i think /pool/ broke the order. It was nice being able to ftp in and find the current version of foo for release x, without having to actually search through the package list and find the version adn find that version of the package in the pool |
| 06:47.47 | bztunk | cafuego: why me :( |
| 06:47.53 | iac2 | nvz: OK. Presume I can query packages to locate files in the same way as you can in RPM? |
| 06:47.54 | cafuego | bztunk: Why not? |
| 06:47.58 | nvz | mechan0r: heh.. I dont know what you are talking about anymore.. this isnt redhat.. |
| 06:48.03 | bztunk | cafuego: because i am the man |
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| 06:48.06 | peterS | RelDrgn: well, 'apt-cache show foo | grep ^Filename' helps |
| 06:48.12 | cafuego | iac2: dpkg -L / dpkg -S |
| 06:48.17 | mechan0r | hmm |
| 06:48.20 | nvz | iac2: dpkg -L <package> will show the files and locations of a package |
| 06:48.25 | bob2 | mechan0r: all regular runlevels in Debian are created equal. |
| 06:48.32 | fooz | netbsd has the nicest system, and gentoo's has some desirable features |
| 06:48.39 | rdancer | holycow: same goes for /fl[0-9], etc. |
| 06:48.51 | nvz | iac2: and there are many package managers including graphical ones like Synaptic that will do this also |
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| 06:49.14 | mechan0r | bob2 so essentially that means they're redundand except for 0,1,2,6? |
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| 06:49.27 | RelDrgn | peterS: invariably whenever I need a package by ftp, its because im not on a debian system ;) |
| 06:49.29 | bztunk | fooz: nothing different afaik (exept that it uses functions in the sh scripts), and rclocal.conf isn't really nice |
| 06:49.34 | peterS | mechan0r: 2,3,4,5 are set, by default, to be identical. the administrator is welcome to customise them from there |
| 06:49.37 | bob2 | mechan0r: of course not. they're the same until the admin modifies them. |
| 06:49.39 | nixman | can someone tell what i need to do in order to get a usb mouse work unde 2.6 ? I googled al over however i just could not find what i need to do after i load hid & usbmodules. Most of the help out there is for Redhat :-( |
| 06:49.56 | peterS | RelDrgn: eh, right. in that case it helps to be familiar with common naming conventions for source vs. binary packages (: |
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| 06:50.01 | fooz | bztunk, nothing different than what? |
| 06:50.02 | nvz | iac2: if you install debian stable and hang out in here as much as possible, listening and asking questions, you should get the hang of it much more quickly.. we really arent going to like you if you dive into our unstable software with no prior debian experience and come in here whining that it doesnt work |
| 06:50.05 | mechan0r | why not call them shutdown and reboot instead numbers? |
| 06:50.07 | RelDrgn | holycow: check /etc/fstab and see if it has the mountpoints you want for the devices you want |
| 06:50.11 | bztunk | fooz: the debian ones... |
| 06:50.19 | iac2 | Thanks, mechan0r, cafuego, nvz. I try to stay away from graphical. Not that it's bad, but I prefer cmd line. |
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| 06:50.42 | fooz | bztunk, the debian ones are no different than the debian ones? |
| 06:50.47 | cafuego | mechan0r: Why not call them Start->Shutdown COmputer instead of just "shutdown" ? |
| 06:50.52 | holycow | what? you mean that easy? |
| 06:50.55 | holycow | heh :D |
| 06:51.02 | holycow | well then, off i go |
| 06:51.07 | iac2 | nvz: Fair enough! I wasn't planning on unstable originally. I'll go with stable! |
| 06:51.12 | mechan0r | cafuego cute |
| 06:51.16 | nvz | iac2: there are plenty of great console apps.. I am in console now using Irssi-text, Links, Cplay, and Aumix, in screen ;) |
| 06:51.22 | cafuego | iac2: What was graphical about what I said? |
| 06:51.23 | g0llum_ | i need to copy some text from a pdf. xpdf haven't the option to copy text. gpdf says that has only limited support for font embedding |
| 06:51.26 | mechan0r | stable will make you feel old though |
| 06:51.37 | bztunk | fooz: no, the gentoo ones are not really different than the debians |
| 06:51.38 | bob2 | nvz: hey, you copied my screen setup! |
| 06:51.51 | cafuego | DAMMIT! |
| 06:51.54 | iac2 | cafuego. Sorry, that bit was meant for nvz! |
| 06:52.00 | nvz | bob2: you are the one who encouraged me to use cplay silly |
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| 06:52.12 | cafuego | wtf does that box lockup each time i modprobe serial :-P |
| 06:52.17 | rdancer | g0llum_: select the text in xpdf, it works |
| 06:52.17 | finaldesktop | So, that's what they meant when they said the Debian comunity is unfriendly at best.. |
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| 06:52.32 | rich_ | Hi |
| 06:52.35 | g0llum_ | rdancer: just select ? |
| 06:52.38 | bztunk | g0llum_: if you want a quick hack, use a pdf to text/html converter |
| 06:52.41 | fooz | bztunk, yeah they are. they use dependencies, and a name-based runlevel instead of a number-based |
| 06:52.46 | sudo | is anyone here using courier-imap-ssl from apt-get? |
| 06:52.56 | bob2 | finaldesktop: eh? |
| 06:52.57 | bob2 | sudo: yes. |
| 06:52.58 | nvz | cafuego: maybe you don't "Got Milk". goes good with serial |
| 06:52.58 | cafuego | g0llum_: select = copy, middle-click = paste |
| 06:53.01 | rdancer | g0llum_: as you would i.e. in xterm, as you select it, it's in the X clipboard |
| 06:53.25 | rdancer | cafuego: thanx |
| 06:53.28 | bztunk | fooz: hum, didn't know about deps, but whatever for the name-based |
| 06:53.32 | bob2 | mechan0r: you could easily change it if you so desired. there are plans to include gentoo's runlevel system in Debian, too. |
| 06:53.36 | holycow | ah no shit, RelDrgn, thx! |
| 06:53.37 | holycow | heh |
| 06:53.46 | fooz | bztunk, obviously. |
| 06:53.47 | sudo | could you help me with authentication, I havent not changed anythign in the config files, cannot authenticate when trying telnet 127.0.0.1 143 |
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| 06:53.53 | iac2 | nvz: screen is useful. Am using XChat at the mo, but don't usually use IRC. Found the fisrt thing that did IRC on Fedora! |
| 06:53.54 | g0llum_ | cafuego: nice ;) |
| 06:54.06 | g0llum_ | cafuego: it works with middle click |
| 06:54.08 | cafuego | g0llum_: Default behaviour since 1994 |
| 06:54.17 | sudo | login uname passwd returns:login NO Error in IMAP command received by server |
| 06:54.23 | rdancer | cafuego: so late? |
| 06:54.27 | sudo | there are nothing in the logs |
| 06:54.48 | cafuego | rdancer: I can't verify anything earlier |
| 06:54.49 | RelDrgn | finaldesktop: pretty brash statement to make after observing for less than 5 minutes. |
| 06:54.53 | g0llum_ | cafuego: oops, i use a X ws for 2/3 months ago |
| 06:55.04 | iac2 | nvz: came on IRC, as it's too early to get advice off mailing lists! |
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| 06:55.23 | nvz | iac2: irssi-text is probably the finest IRC client in Debian.. should really spend more time in here once you get that going.. even if you arent looking at it, just leave it running, thats one of the finer things about debian a much better community of users |
| 06:55.28 | finaldesktop | yeah.. just a few moments.. |
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| 06:55.37 | Recon1 | where is a good place to get drivers for my soundblaster live model ct4830? |
| 06:55.43 | holycow | okay so looking at this, if i have discover installed i should therefore remove the cdrom entry in fstab as i have 2 cdrom mounts now that point to the same device, corrent? |
| 06:55.47 | bztunk | Recon1: the kernel? |
| 06:55.51 | cafuego | rdancer: modprobe emu10k1 |
| 06:55.56 | rdancer | cafuego: probably back from the PARC, I'd guess |
| 06:56.00 | cafuego | s/rdancer/recon1/ |
| 06:56.02 | nvz | iac2: mailing lists are for the tough questions.. usually takes a few hours.. the easy questions can be answered in minutes here |
| 06:56.08 | Recon1 | bztunk: how? |
| 06:56.10 | rdancer | cafuego: wtf? |
| 06:56.17 | cafuego | !cricket rdancer |
| 06:56.28 | RelDrgn | holycow: good question ;) I thought discover just detected stuff, didn't deal with mounting things and so on |
| 06:56.31 | fooz | modern smalltalks have a keyboard combo to paste |
| 06:56.32 | bztunk | Recon1: 01:55 < cafuego> rdancer(sic): modprobe emu10k1 |
| 06:56.45 | rdancer | description: "Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver v0.20 |
| 06:56.46 | Recon1 | ?? |
| 06:56.49 | rdancer | ?? |
| 06:56.51 | bztunk | ?? |
| 06:57.00 | rdancer | ??? |
| 06:57.03 | fooz | ?? |
| 06:57.07 | bztunk | ???? |
| 06:57.08 | shob | heh |
| 06:57.09 | rahul | ;; |
| 06:57.12 | rdancer | ????aj46aklsjfdsa |
| 06:57.14 | nvz | !+ep |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:57.20 | RelDrgn | hahaha |
| 06:57.23 | rdancer | dpkg: haah |
| 06:57.24 | dpkg | rdancer: i haven't a clue |
| 06:57.26 | peterS | !botsnack |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | peterS: :) |
| 06:57.28 | bztunk | argh dissed by dpkg |
| 06:57.28 | iac2 | nvz: what really attracts me to Deb is the rolling upgrades and package management. I like the idea of a one time install. Been meaning to try Deb, but not enough time until now. |
| 06:57.55 | holycow | well in /etc/disccover theres a conf file that lets you specify the location for mount points which i found odd... |
| 06:57.55 | rahul | crackwhores |
| 06:57.56 | rdancer | dpkg: lol |
| 06:57.56 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Lamer OnLine; a laugh sound is not spelled "lol". If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use the much more widely-understood "heh" or "haha" instead |
| 06:57.56 | holycow | RelDrgn, i thought as well all it did was detect and pass info off to some other part of the system |
| 06:57.56 | rdancer | dpkg: rotfl |
| 06:57.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rotfl is Rolling On The Floor Laughing, something you're rather unlikely to be able to type in while you do it |
| 06:57.58 | rahul | LoLll |
| 06:57.59 | cockroach | i'm trying to run jabberd in a chrooted environment but when i start it it says "20040104T06:44:44: [alert] (-internal): io_select unable to listen on 5269 [(null)] |
| 06:58.03 | ShadowFoxLSU | how do you change the display manager |
| 06:58.06 | cockroach | - what's wrong there? |
| 06:58.08 | ShadowFoxLSU | from KDM to GDM? |
| 06:58.13 | nvz | iac2: yeah, thats the key to it all, the package management. but there would be no package management without the users and places like this.. keep that in mind |
| 06:58.16 | RelDrgn | holycow: well, if you install a new usb drive or smething its gotta be mounted somewhere. it probably means to be a base directory for mount points, like say /mnt ;) |
| 06:58.18 | rich_ | I thought lol stood for Laughing Out Loud |
| 06:58.25 | Recon1 | ok i'm gonna nessus scan 127.0.0.1.....so maybe i'll get disconeccted :) |
| 06:58.29 | bztunk | !lart rich_ |
| 06:58.39 | rahul | rich_: it stands for "I can't spell loll" |
| 06:58.40 | holycow | RelDrgn, heh *nod* good point |
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| 06:58.58 | streuner | lol |
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| 06:59.13 | VynoM | ugh... my usb mouse isn't cooperating at all. Logitech MX700 |
| 06:59.15 | fooz | wonder when gcc will add a lisp frontend |
| 06:59.16 | holycow | shadow, i did that the other day, kill x, go to into command line, apt-get remove --purge kdm apt-get install gdm worked for me |
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| 06:59.30 | peterS | VynoM: what isn't it doing right? |
| 06:59.39 | streuner | VynoM: /msg dpkg usbmouse? |
| 06:59.41 | holycow | you may want to also make sure that all of kde gets reinstalled if your still planning on using that desktop |
| 06:59.41 | peterS | VynoM: and is this on console, or in X? |
| 06:59.49 | iac2 | nvz: True. I like the idea of a totally community supported distro. Especially not that Fedora is still controlled by RH, but with little apparent benifit to it's community. |
| 06:59.54 | rahul | zoof: wouldn't make sense |
| 06:59.54 | holycow | thats probably a very long way to do it tho, perhaps others know a better way |
| 06:59.58 | VynoM | peterS it's hindering me from starting x. Says device not found |
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| 07:00.05 | rahul | zoof: you don't just compile lisp code. |
| 07:00.07 | rdancer | how can i have the irc log local copy in a file on my harddrive? |
| 07:00.12 | peterS | VynoM: use /dev/input/mice in your XF86Config-4 |
| 07:00.23 | fooz | rahul, well they do it for all these other languages |
| 07:00.24 | peterS | VynoM: and load the modules 'mousedev', 'hid' and your USB controller module |
| 07:00.32 | iac2 | nvz: That was meant to read "now that Fedora..." |
| 07:00.33 | VynoM | Ahh... ok |
| 07:00.43 | rahul | zoof: those other languages aren't interactive |
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| 07:00.55 | rahul | zoof: is there a gcc frontend for smalltalk? |
| 07:01.01 | rahul | zoof: or forth? |
| 07:01.15 | fooz | no, but Smalltalk/X translates smalltalk to C |
| 07:01.30 | rahul | zoof: that's useless |
| 07:01.30 | peterS | rahul: who doesn't just compile lisp code? |
| 07:01.33 | VynoM | hmmm... modules mousedev and hid not found. DOH, I need to upgrade my kernel |
| 07:01.35 | fooz | nah, it's very very fast |
| 07:01.41 | fooz | i like st/x |
| 07:01.46 | peterS | VynoM: yeah those are required |
| 07:01.48 | VynoM | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 07:01.50 | RelDrgn | there are lisp compilers out there. emacs does it .el -> .elc |
| 07:01.51 | rahul | peterS: "just" compiling lisp code won't do anything |
| 07:01.54 | peterS | VynoM: right, move to 2.4 |
| 07:01.56 | fooz | they slipped up a few releases ago and gave out the sources to their stc compiler accidentally |
| 07:01.59 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:02.02 | nvz | iac2: my dad is still stuck on windows (XP) but it took him years just to accept the move from WFW 3.11 to Win95.. but I have been pressing Debian into his head, and the other day I showed him the upgrade proceedure, and I said you couldnt even pay all the money in the world to get an update on every software package you have like this |
| 07:02.06 | VynoM | that's dpkg right? |
| 07:02.08 | holycow | i dont know if anyone remembers a very cool package called mirai, but it was allcoded in lisp |
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| 07:02.12 | rahul | RelDrgn: that's not a real compilation, for one, and it's not a single-file compilation in isolation |
| 07:02.12 | holycow | was kinda neat |
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| 07:02.33 | bztunk | !rot13 fooz |
| 07:02.33 | dpkg | sbbm |
| 07:02.35 | rahul | zoof: it's not interactive, so you wouldn't use it for development |
| 07:02.38 | peterS | VynoM: run 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' - should show a list of packages. pick one, and 'apt-get install' it |
| 07:02.43 | fooz | rahul, squeak compiles its smalltalk to C even |
| 07:02.43 | holycow | mirai was a piece of 3d animation and 3d modeling software |
| 07:02.45 | rahul | zoof: it would be a deployment mechanism, maybe |
| 07:02.46 | bztunk | rahul: why are you callng fooz zoof? |
| 07:03.00 | rahul | zoof: not in the way that gcc would |
| 07:03.05 | rahul | bztunk: because that's what he is |
| 07:03.10 | fooz | rahul, just as gcc would |
| 07:03.11 | dippo | anyone know why mii-tool would tell me I have no link |
| 07:03.12 | rahul | zoof: you fooz |
| 07:03.17 | bztunk | !dict zoof |
| 07:03.19 | dippo | when I am in fact connected through that only interface |
| 07:03.20 | dpkg | could not find definition for zoof |
| 07:03.22 | streuner | zoof=in german similar like trouble |
| 07:03.24 | fooz | rahul, it is a VM written in smalltalk translated to C |
| 07:03.24 | bztunk | !dict fooz |
| 07:03.27 | dpkg | could not find definition for fooz |
| 07:03.31 | rahul | zoof: you can't just "gcc foo.lisp" |
| 07:03.35 | bztunk | streuner: oh ok :D |
| 07:03.38 | nvz | !fooz |
| 07:03.38 | dpkg | hmm... fooz is http://avatar.screwage.com/~walker/files/fooz-photo.jpg |
| 07:03.39 | rahul | and get foo.o |
| 07:03.45 | nvz | !zoof |
| 07:03.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zoof is the Master of All that is Fooz, or a crack whore |
| 07:03.58 | fooz | heh |
| 07:03.58 | rahul | zoof: you need a defsystem or something to get the FASL file |
| 07:04.23 | fooz | rahul, lies |
| 07:04.28 | nvz | bztunk: dict does and actual dictionary lookup, its not a configurable database like the factoids |
| 07:04.28 | VynoM | bummer, peterS, that command returned nothing |
| 07:04.32 | rahul | holycow: the people at Nintendo and Sony sure rememeber it, since they still use it |
| 07:04.37 | rahul | zoof: fooz |
| 07:04.43 | holycow | they do? no shit |
| 07:04.49 | peterS | VynoM: the apt-cache search? if you're using recent Debian it should have given several hits |
| 07:04.54 | bztunk | nvz: yeah i know, but maybe fooz is a real word heh |
| 07:04.58 | fooz | rahul, smalltalk/x can compile code from the browser either into bytecode, or into native code in an .so to load and run (blowing away the code will kill all the references to the .so and it will go away) |
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| 07:05.04 | fooz | smalltalk/x is very slick |
| 07:05.04 | rahul | holycow: the mario games were all written using mirai |
| 07:05.08 | holycow | oh wait appearently golum from the rings movies was done in mirai as well |
| 07:05.09 | peterS | VynoM: did I mistype? apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 07:05.11 | iac2 | nvz. Yeah, think that _was_ true for a lot of distros, but now most are realising that there isn't enough money in free updates (like RH). Fedora updates are there, but the upgrading seems like it's going to be too fast and not seemless enough. I don't want to be reinstalling a whole system every 6 months. |
| 07:05.13 | VynoM | peterS just downloaded and installed about 3 hours ago. |
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| 07:05.28 | holycow | ah no shit? wow! hey how do you know this, you do 3d? |
| 07:05.28 | rahul | zoof: you don't compile it like gcc's interface would like, tho |
| 07:05.31 | bztunk | !mirai |
| 07:05.31 | rahul | holycow: nope, I do lisp |
| 07:05.32 | dpkg | i heard mirai is 3D modelling package in CL |
| 07:05.36 | holycow | rahul, i had no idea |
| 07:05.42 | holycow | ehehe :) niiice |
| 07:05.47 | VynoM | peterS eh... my bad. Didn't have image-2.4 just image2.4 |
| 07:05.56 | peterS | VynoM: that'll make a difference (: |
| 07:06.02 | rahul | zoof: you can't just compile lisp code in a vaccum. |
| 07:06.08 | rahul | vacuum, even |
| 07:06.11 | bztunk | !info mirai |
| 07:06.25 | RelDrgn | rahul: you can't compile most anything in a vacuum |
| 07:06.27 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 07:06.27 | rahul | www.izware.com |
| 07:06.40 | VynoM | Wow, 24.6 MB worth of updates |
| 07:06.42 | holycow | rahul, have you ever used it? what did you think of it? my impression was that it was a world class appllication and it was v v cool they did it in lisp |
| 07:06.48 | fooz | rahul, there is no vacuum. just have a 'lisp standard library' and a fake top level and compile all that into a library, like gcj does for java |
| 07:06.51 | rahul | RelDrgn: without an interactive environment, all there is is a vacuum when you're dealing with lisp |
| 07:06.55 | rahul | holycow: never used it |
| 07:06.55 | helix | !v |
| 07:06.55 | peterS | so, the new year hasn't cured that particular habit |
| 07:06.56 | dpkg | well, v is at http://objectcentral.com/ (Portable C++ GUI Framework) or velocity, or the roman numeral for five, or a highly caffeinated "energy drink" thats availible in Australia and in some parts of the UK. XFire runs on this stuff. |
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| 07:07.10 | helix | dpkg: v is also very for lazy people |
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| 07:07.11 | dpkg | helix: okay |
| 07:07.12 | rahul | zoof: um, java can be compiled file-by-file |
| 07:07.16 | nvz | since when does compiling require oxygen? |
| 07:07.20 | rahul | zoof: lisp is linked at compile time |
| 07:07.25 | bztunk | nvz: haha |
| 07:07.32 | rahul | nvz: there's more to matter than oxygen |
| 07:07.54 | nvz | I cant even right off hand remember the scientific term for an action that uses oxygen.. endo- something like that |
| 07:07.58 | rahul | zoof: then the links are resolved at load time |
| 07:08.11 | rahul | zoof: well, sort of. it's not the same thing at all. |
| 07:08.17 | fooz | rahul, it could be done ahead of time |
| 07:08.28 | nvz | I slept through what little schooling I've had |
| 07:08.28 | fooz | rahul, except where necessary to do it at runtime |
| 07:08.30 | rahul | zoof: what could be done ahead of time? |
| 07:08.35 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 07:08.36 | fooz | rahul, the linking |
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| 07:08.45 | bztunk | !botsnack |
| 07:08.45 | dpkg | thanks, bztunk |
| 07:08.48 | rahul | zoof: what would it link to? |
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| 07:08.55 | fooz | rahul, whatever you gave it |
| 07:09.03 | rahul | zoof: where? when? how? |
| 07:09.12 | fooz | rahul, stop being obtuse |
| 07:09.13 | rahul | zoof: what would it be compiling then? |
| 07:09.36 | rahul | zoof: the code would be compiled already by the time gcc got to it |
| 07:09.54 | rahul | zoof: the compiler is also a lisp program. |
| 07:09.57 | fooz | there are a number of lisp->c translators that work fine but are kinda stupid |
| 07:09.58 | captbunzo | I am looking for the gnome-system-tools package, but can't seem to find it |
| 07:10.13 | bztunk | captbunzo: it's in sid afaik |
| 07:10.14 | captbunzo | ...in testing. Anyone have a clue where it might be? |
| 07:10.25 | rahul | zoof: they don't translate, really. they write C code, which is then compiled and loaded. |
| 07:10.27 | cafuego | Can anyone recommend a decent fax server with win/mac client support? |
| 07:10.29 | captbunzo | sid == unstable? |
| 07:10.32 | bztunk | captbunzo: if it's not in testing, it will someday |
| 07:10.34 | bztunk | captbunzo: yes |
| 07:10.35 | beta3 | hey bob2 |
| 07:10.48 | bob2 | beta3: howdy. |
| 07:10.48 | rahul | zoof: I don't think they use ELF exactly either |
| 07:10.53 | captbunzo | bztunk: how stable is unstable right now? |
| 07:10.56 | nvz | !rah00smack |
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| 07:11.04 | rahul | zoof: thinlisp is what you want for this kind of thing |
| 07:11.06 | nvz | although rahulsmack is nice too |
| 07:11.15 | fooz | thinlisp is one of the stupid translators I mentioned |
| 07:11.20 | VynoM | ok, now for reboot into new kernel |
| 07:11.20 | streuner | captbunzo: is that a tric-question? :-) |
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| 07:11.23 | bztunk | captbunzo: it's ok.. didn't have problems in a long time. but then, i don't use kde and shit |
| 07:11.29 | beta3 | bob2: well, still trying to get sip working |
| 07:11.31 | rahul | zoof: it's as smart as you can be when you have to stoop to the level of C :) |
| 07:11.34 | Curtman | Is anybody watching the NasaTV feed? Is the audio really garbled, or have I botched my mplayer compile again? |
| 07:11.34 | holycow | captbunzo, i'm using unstalbe right now, its as stable anythign ive seen provided you dont have borked packages installed |
| 07:11.35 | fooz | rahul, no. |
| 07:11.36 | captbunzo | I have to weigh whether I want to risk the stability of my whole system just so that I can play with the GST... :) |
| 07:11.42 | fooz | rahul, stc and smalltalk/x is |
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| 07:11.42 | rahul | zoof: yes |
| 07:11.55 | fooz | rahul, thinlisp is just some lisp libraries without a useful runtime |
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| 07:12.00 | captbunzo | been a LONG TIME since I was a Debian unstable user. |
| 07:12.01 | fooz | st/x is that but with a runtime |
| 07:12.28 | rahul | zoof: well, the point of thinlisp is that you wouldn't write the runtime in C |
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| 07:12.30 | bztunk | Curtman: what codec do they use? |
| 07:12.31 | holycow | captbunzo, perhaps this is just a lucky in stall i donno |
| 07:12.37 | shob | hey... what do i do if i get a traceback from running reportbug? |
| 07:12.41 | rahul | zoof: if you're going to target C, you lose :) |
| 07:12.42 | nvz | I am not even a programmer but if you are talking about implementing lisp into C what the hell is the runtime useful for? |
| 07:12.46 | Curtman | bztunk: Real9. |
| 07:12.54 | rahul | nvz: C needs a runtime, too |
| 07:12.55 | captbunzo | perhaps I'll be upgrading to unstable soon. :) |
| 07:13.05 | captbunzo | perhaps that will run overnight. |
| 07:13.12 | rahul | nvz: even below the standard library, gcc has libgcc3 |
| 07:13.13 | bztunk | Curtman: hum, if you installed the extra codecs, you should be ok |
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| 07:13.22 | fooz | libgcc1 |
| 07:13.23 | nvz | rahul: yeah but I assume you have a C runtime, the libraries are what allow you to use lisp in C right? |
| 07:13.28 | rahul | yeah, whatever :P |
| 07:13.35 | captbunzo | is there any way to find out what is causing a package to not be promoted to testing? |
| 07:13.40 | rahul | nvz: er |
| 07:13.41 | Stripes | whats the command to load my debian fs once I boot with a knoppix cd? |
| 07:13.44 | Dylanwh | mozilla seems borked on debian-testing. But firebird works. :-/ |
| 07:13.47 | Curtman | bztunk: Feel like trying? :) rtsp://rmbcast.nasa-us2e.speedera.net/alias_ashburn1_btn_2/broadcast/rmbcast.nasa-us2e/rmbcast_nasa-us2e_jan022004_1034_52681.rm |
| 07:13.48 | bob2 | beta3: hah, still? |
| 07:13.52 | fooz | packaging gcc is a royal pain |
| 07:13.57 | rdancer | shob: bug(1) |
| 07:13.57 | fooz | so is glibc |
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| 07:14.02 | fooz | just because they take so long to build |
| 07:14.04 | beta3 | bob2: its a bitch man |
| 07:14.12 | beta3 | bob2: at least Im not using that linksys anymore |
| 07:14.13 | synth | what deb pkg provides libiberty? |
| 07:14.16 | rahul | nvz: using lisp in C is rather complex... even if you assume only one way to do it |
| 07:14.21 | beta3 | bob2: I can use ipv6 now can't i |
| 07:14.24 | rahul | nvz: the data types don't match up at all. |
| 07:14.31 | captbunzo | new fun question. |
| 07:14.35 | beta3 | synth: attempt using apt-cache search |
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| 07:14.46 | rahul | nvz: everything in lisp is effectively a void * from C's POV. |
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| 07:14.53 | captbunzo | anyone know of an apt source for Gnome 1.5? |
| 07:15.05 | bztunk | Curtman: sound is really fucked up |
| 07:15.07 | nvz | rahul: yeah.. that goes with just about any implementation of one language to another I would say. |
| 07:15.09 | synth | beta3: man, you may be able to get 9/10 people with that but not I |
| 07:15.13 | Curtman | bztunk: Darn.. |
| 07:15.15 | synth | beta3: i actually do my homework before I ask |
| 07:15.24 | nion | Is there a key combo that will close the window on top? Like alt+f4 in M$? |
| 07:15.24 | bztunk | Curtman: i'm using cvs |
| 07:15.26 | peterS | captbunzo: gnome 1.5? I don't think there is such a thing. at least, if so, I know it is not actively maintained |
| 07:15.26 | synth | or try to give it an honest effort :D |
| 07:15.28 | rahul | nvz: no, java and C are rather compatible when it comes to the primitives |
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| 07:15.35 | Curtman | bztunk: At least I can stop messing with it I guess thats good. |
| 07:15.44 | rahul | nvz: I don't think this is what zoof was talking about, tho |
| 07:15.51 | rahul | this is FFI-into-lisp |
| 07:15.51 | bztunk | Curtman: haha :D |
| 07:15.53 | beta3 | synth: Im impressed, don't let me find this in ten seconds |
| 07:15.55 | bob2 | beta3: yes. |
| 07:15.56 | beta3 | !find iberty |
| 07:16.00 | synth | nothin tells me squat, googling led nowhere and with packages.debian.org on lockdown |
| 07:16.03 | shob | rdancer: i installed the bug package, but there's no bug binary... the deb info sez it's superceded by reportbug |
| 07:16.09 | bztunk | nion: in what? |
| 07:16.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iberty' (5 shown; 8 total): (/usr/share/smssend/libertysurf.sms) in comm/smssend ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/mingw32 ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/gcc-snapshot ;; (/usr/h8300-hitachi-hms/lib/libiberty.a) in devel/gcc-h8300-hms ;; (/usr/share/doc/libg++27/changelog.libiberty.gz) in oldlibs/libg++27. |
| 07:16.14 | synth | its a debugging thing, it might be in a gcc debugging pkg |
| 07:16.20 | nion | bztunk: fluxbox |
| 07:16.21 | rdancer | shob /usr/bin/bug |
| 07:16.21 | synth | but i dont want to blindly install things looking for it |
| 07:16.21 | nvz | there there are things like Python and C# which for the most part dont have whats been known as data types |
| 07:16.33 | rahul | zoof wanted gcc to compile lisp code into something, which is kind of useless, as your lisp code would need an active lisp runtime with all deps loaded to compile itself |
| 07:16.36 | synth | hm |
| 07:16.42 | bztunk | nion: hum donno, but you should be able to configure the keys |
| 07:16.44 | peterS | beta3: looking for binutils-dev? |
| 07:16.44 | rahul | nvz: they sure do |
| 07:16.45 | beta3 | synth: looks like the compilers |
| 07:16.48 | shob | rdancer: nope, not there (sid) |
| 07:16.53 | beta3 | peterS: no synth was looking for libiberty |
| 07:16.57 | rahul | nvz: just because they're not the same as C's doesn't mean they don't exist :) |
| 07:16.58 | synth | !find iberty.h |
| 07:17.05 | peterS | beta3,synth: binutils-dev, I believe |
| 07:17.06 | rahul | nvz: actually, python's are quite similar to C's |
| 07:17.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iberty.h' (2 shown): (/usr/include/libiberty.h) in devel/binutils-dev ;; (/usr/src/modules/oprofile/libutil/op_libiberty.h) in devel/oprofile-source. |
| 07:17.12 | Recon1 | i'm running debian 2.2.20 and GNOME 1.4....should i upgrade my gnome? |
| 07:17.15 | rdancer | shob: wait... |
| 07:17.25 | JimButton | Recon1: debian 2.2.20? |
| 07:17.28 | synth | dpkg agrees with peterS |
| 07:17.28 | dpkg | synth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:17.34 | captbunzo | er, make that 2.5 :) |
| 07:17.34 | synth | thank you gentlemen |
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| 07:17.38 | captbunzo | Gnome 2.5 |
| 07:17.41 | JimButton | Recon1: is that the kernel version? |
| 07:17.44 | rahul | nvz: C#'s are a LOT more like lisps, until you get to actual data structures or the inheritance structure within primitives |
| 07:17.49 | Dylanwh | How unstable is debian-unstable? :) |
| 07:17.57 | nvz | rahul: well what I mean is the fact that datatypes to the programmer arent really important as it assumes type based on the data |
| 07:17.59 | Recon1 | jimbutton: whats the command for kernal version? |
| 07:18.10 | rahul | nvz: specifically, C#'s numbers are objects, too |
| 07:18.10 | bztunk | captbunzo: if you really want dev stuff, you should compile it yourself |
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| 07:18.12 | tix64 | Dylanwh: that depends on its mood. |
| 07:18.14 | rdancer | shob: report thru web. don't know the address. |
| 07:18.17 | rahul | nvz: not true. |
| 07:18.22 | beta3 | synth: definetly binutils-dev |
| 07:18.23 | peterS | Dylanwh: how cold is 10C? these things are relative |
| 07:18.24 | rdancer | shob; what does it say? |
| 07:18.29 | nvz | I know very little about C# only the pre-release notes I have read.. heh |
| 07:18.32 | Dylanwh | Mood, unstable has moods?! |
| 07:18.32 | rahul | nvz: that's only true in weakly-typed languages like C. |
| 07:18.34 | beta3 | peterS: let me test my program on that |
| 07:18.37 | JimButton | Recon1: how did you get the idea that you run debian 2.2.20 in the first place? |
| 07:18.48 | shob | rdancer: i've saved all the error logs... u want me to dump in in channel? |
| 07:18.52 | rahul | nvz: in C, data doesn't have a type. only variables do. |
| 07:18.54 | tix64 | Dylanwh: yes, especially on every day a week |
| 07:18.56 | Recon1 | jimbutton: from the control panel in gnome |
| 07:18.57 | beta3 | peterS: 10 C 50.0 F |
| 07:19.04 | cockroach | err, i have a process i can't kill (tried with -9) - anything i can do except rebooting? |
| 07:19.10 | JimButton | Recon1: well, there is no debian 2.2.20 |
| 07:19.10 | Dylanwh | peterS: As a floridian, 10C is "Dear god, I'm going to *die*!" |
| 07:19.10 | rahul | nvz: in lisp, variables can have a type declared, but the object is what determines its own type. |
| 07:19.16 | peterS | beta3: I know. my point is that "how cold is" is relative to one's other experiences |
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| 07:19.20 | JimButton | Recon1: then Gnome must be on crack |
| 07:19.25 | Recon1 | jimbutton: sorry is sayd linux 2.2.20 |
| 07:19.29 | JimButton | Recon1: aah |
| 07:19.34 | beta3 | Dylanwh: lol, I live in PA, we think thats warm about this time of year |
| 07:19.35 | rahul | nvz: I can have a variable declared to be of type number, and put an integer into it, and when I get the value, it'll still be an integer. |
| 07:19.35 | JimButton | Recon1: yeah, that is the kernel version |
| 07:19.36 | shob | rdancer: ... type error: ascii_lower() takes exactly 1 argument |
| 07:19.43 | rahul | nvz: in C, it would be a number, not an integer. |
| 07:19.48 | JimButton | Recon1: it is quite old |
| 07:19.56 | holycow | cockroach, tried to kill pid# of the process? |
| 07:19.58 | holycow | that has to work |
| 07:20.05 | MikeH | anyone here know much about snmp/mrtg, im getting this problem |
| 07:20.06 | Recon1 | jimbutton: what is my kernel or gnome? |
| 07:20.06 | rdancer | shob: ugh.. sarge-ugh |
| 07:20.06 | MikeH | ### * --ifref=ip is not unique for this interface |
| 07:20.08 | nvz | an integer is a number isnt it? |
| 07:20.16 | rahul | nvz: right |
| 07:20.16 | JimButton | Recon1: both actually |
| 07:20.18 | beta3 | nvz: yes |
| 07:20.22 | synth | beta3, yeah installing it now :D |
| 07:20.24 | shob | rdancer: among other things.. lines 54,41,220 |
| 07:20.24 | mwilson | shob: Yes, read the bug, fix it, go on. |
| 07:20.27 | synth | i like dpkg.. nice bot |
| 07:20.36 | JimButton | Recon1: but as long as it works, there is no need to upgrade |
| 07:20.36 | beta3 | nvz: don't be taunted by rahul's moronic c programming skills |
| 07:20.37 | mwilson | shob: If you can't, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
| 07:20.41 | rahul | nvz: but in C, the data needs to be converted into the type of the variable before being stored |
| 07:20.43 | JimButton | Recon1: at least that is how i think about it |
| 07:20.44 | rdancer | shob: not the regular errors i can see in woody, i admit |
| 07:20.45 | ShadowFoxLSU | ok, I changed the lilo.conf file, yet debain continues to boot 2.4.22? |
| 07:20.52 | shob | rdancer: running sid... sarge? |
| 07:20.52 | synth | i saw that python error earelier w/apt-listchanges |
| 07:20.56 | Recon1 | jimbutton: i'm only 4 days into linus so it's not too late to rebuild |
| 07:20.59 | beta3 | rahul: float or int are most common |
| 07:20.59 | synth | i'm impressed with python tracing that all the way back |
| 07:21.02 | peterS | rahul: "needs to be" is highly dependent on situation |
| 07:21.02 | synth | nice little readable error |
| 07:21.06 | rahul | beta3: the point is that it's impossible to have an efficient "number" type in C |
| 07:21.06 | L00thar | (He decides to risk the wrath of the Nasty Boyz...): I admit I have no idea why, with Gnome 2.4, application error messages are not being written to ~/.gnome-errors. |
| 07:21.11 | rdancer | shob: s/sarge/sid/ |
| 07:21.14 | mwilson | synth: Yeah, obvious fix, too. |
| 07:21.21 | shob | mwilson: i'm only trying to help out.. |
| 07:21.23 | Recon1 | jimbutton: i though i got the latest from debian....this is stable....should I move on? |
| 07:21.24 | holycow | shob, don't listen to wilson, if you don't know how to run unstalbe, run it and learn |
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| 07:21.31 | nvz | beta3: he knows alot, and I know very little so I am as always enlightened |
| 07:21.34 | JimButton | Recon1: depends |
| 07:21.35 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.43 | synth | mwilson: oh yeah i know, it quite spells it out |
| 07:21.45 | rdancer | shob: just go thru the bts-over-web somewhere on debian.org |
| 07:21.47 | synth | heh |
| 07:21.48 | rahul | beta3: that's completely irrelevant. I'm talking about the type system's capabilities, not the types themselves. |
| 07:21.50 | rdancer | !bts |
| 07:21.50 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
| 07:22.04 | Dylanwh | I guess I shall stay with debian-testing... at least the worst thing to happen yet is mozilla stops running. |
| 07:22.05 | mwilson | holycow: "learn"? You're joking, of course. |
| 07:22.07 | shob | mwilson: and i don't believe (at least hope not) everyone running debian sid knows/can fix every package there is |
| 07:22.18 | holycow | mais non mein freund |
| 07:22.23 | holycow | :) |
| 07:22.24 | JimButton | !crack |
| 07:22.25 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 07:22.38 | mwilson | shob: Didn't suggest that you fix it. Told you to apply the already determined fix as detailed in the bug report. |
| 07:22.39 | Recon1 | what version of debian do most of you run? |
| 07:22.44 | Recon1 | on i386? |
| 07:22.47 | peterS | holycow: -EMIXEDLANGUAGES |
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| 07:22.59 | Tchiak | that was the quickest install i have ever done |
| 07:23.00 | holycow | hehehe peterS |
| 07:23.02 | holycow | :) |
| 07:23.04 | L00thar | Sarge-Sid mix. |
| 07:23.08 | Tchiak | 1 hr to do everything |
| 07:23.20 | sussudio | ~tell Recon1 about polls |
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| 07:23.23 | Tchiak | including x, sound, video, browser |
| 07:23.23 | Tchiak | :P |
| 07:23.23 | JimButton | i don't own i386 hardware |
| 07:23.23 | sussudio | ~fist Recon1 |
| 07:23.27 | | ACTION uses Recon1 as a handpuppet |
| 07:23.30 | shob | mwilson: oh.. well.. i tried apt-listbugs on it... didn't give me anything.. i checked that before asking here |
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| 07:23.32 | JimButton | ~penixstrike Recon1 |
| 07:23.36 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Recon1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:23.36 | bztunk | holycow: were you trying to write french? |
| 07:23.36 | beta3 | nvz: interesting about C is that, its lowlevel, so you have to deal with memory. The leading cause of security flaws and crashs are from Buffer Overflows from poor programming and memory work. With a high level language you no longer have to deal with that |
| 07:23.36 | mwilson | Unstable on three boxes, testing on one, stable on two. |
| 07:23.51 | holycow | non, i mixed deliberately |
| 07:23.53 | nvz | Tchiak: yeah now you have the pleasure of spending the rest of your life configuring, reconfiguring, and oh yeah.. configuring |
| 07:23.56 | holycow | sideffect of being on irc |
| 07:24.05 | bztunk | holycow: ha ok |
| 07:24.10 | Tchiak | hehe i love learning new stuff :) |
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| 07:24.19 | holycow | actually for some reason in now spell menu as menue |
| 07:24.20 | peterS | holycow: ja, je sais. |
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| 07:24.25 | beta3 | nvz: perl/python/ruby/java don't replace the lowlevel ones since their speed is terrible and they have their limits, but it keeps security flaws to an all time low |
| 07:24.25 | Recon1 | ok i get it |
| 07:24.28 | holycow | it just seems 'righter' :) |
| 07:24.29 | Tchiak | right now i'm working on getting java running so i can play on pogo.com |
| 07:24.35 | The_Vulture | beta3: that's a massive overgeneralization |
| 07:24.39 | holycow | jejeje peter :) |
| 07:24.43 | L00thar | Ist verdad, forsooth. |
| 07:24.44 | nvz | beta3: I am well aware of that.. I recall the stories of M$ developers having to post signs DS!=SS |
| 07:24.44 | beta3 | The_Vulture: probably |
| 07:24.49 | holycow | that was a spanish laugh btw :) hehehe |
| 07:24.56 | shob | mwilson: anywhere else i should've checked? |
| 07:24.59 | peterS | holycow: ah. gotcha |
| 07:24.59 | Tchiak | i'm gonna setup a computer for my mom and if i can get javqa going i'll use linux with XDM and she can use that :P |
| 07:25.02 | JimButton | beta3: their speed is not terrible for everything |
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| 07:25.10 | beta3 | JimButton: depends |
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| 07:25.16 | mwilson | shob: Nowhere else is necessary. |
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| 07:25.27 | JimButton | beta3: perl has very good modules, and string handling and such is usually much faster than doing it by hand in C |
| 07:25.42 | beta3 | JimButton: certainly wouldn't want to use perl to run my MTA would I? |
| 07:25.50 | JimButton | beta3: why not? |
| 07:25.50 | Recon1 | is kpackage a good way to manage packages? |
| 07:26.00 | beta3 | JimButton: its slow as molasses |
| 07:26.05 | gravity | Recon1: If you like it, sure. I was never a fan myself. |
| 07:26.10 | gravity | beta3: Since when? |
| 07:26.18 | JimButton | beta3: is there some perl MTA which is slow or are you talking out of your ass now? |
| 07:26.19 | beta3 | gravity: try putting exim4 on perl |
| 07:26.19 | peterS | beta3: for the vast majority of MTAs, speed is not really an issue |
| 07:26.21 | rahul | beta3: you don't need to be subject to performance hits if you don't want to in a high level language |
| 07:26.28 | Recon1 | gravity: apt-get does basically the same right? |
| 07:26.30 | holycow | kpackage i use for uninstalling multiple packages at once |
| 07:26.34 | gravity | beta3: "Putting exim4 on perl"? What does that mean? |
| 07:26.40 | shob | mwilson: still doesn't show me any bugs :( |
| 07:26.40 | peterS | beta3: vast majority of deployments, I mean |
| 07:26.42 | beta3 | gravity: think of exim4 in perl |
| 07:26.50 | beta3 | gravity: it would be ungodly slow |
| 07:26.53 | gravity | Recon1: Sort of, but apt-get isn't really optimal. I recommend aptitude myself. Synaptic isn't bad |
| 07:26.57 | gravity | beta3: Why do you say that? |
| 07:26.58 | JimButton | beta3: you are a jerk |
| 07:27.05 | gravity | beta3: Got benchmarks, or are you just talking? |
| 07:27.07 | beta3 | gravity: its bulky |
| 07:27.13 | gravity | beta3: How so? |
| 07:27.18 | peterS | gravity: proof-by-fiat, you know. "it's true, it must be true, even though nobody has tried it" |
| 07:27.21 | rahul | beta3: in fact, using a high-level language allows you to make the compiler smart about when to incur a performance hit for the sake of safety and when to give up all safety because you've audited the code and know that it can't do something bad |
| 07:27.22 | Recon1 | gravity: do you have a url or command to get it installed? |
| 07:27.23 | gravity | peterS: Right |
| 07:27.31 | gravity | Recon1: apt-get install aptitude |
| 07:27.33 | Tchiak | got a question |
| 07:27.35 | gravity | Recon1: Then just use aptitude. |
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| 07:27.44 | Tchiak | how do i allow all users access to a directory? |
| 07:27.47 | beta3 | ~start a programming battle |
| 07:27.56 | peterS | Tchiak: read access, or write access, or both? |
| 07:27.56 | gravity | Recon1: You can use it like apt-get (i.e. aptitude install foo) or run it interactively like kpackage. |
| 07:27.57 | Tchiak | that can only be written to by rooot right now |
| 07:28.00 | peterS | Tchiak: use 'chmod', in any case |
| 07:28.01 | Tchiak | both |
| 07:28.05 | Recon1 | gravity: i get package has no installation candidate |
| 07:28.09 | Tchiak | su |
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| 07:28.14 | peterS | Tchiak: 'chmod 777' or 'chmod 1777' |
| 07:28.16 | nvz | beta3: too late for that |
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| 07:28.18 | bztunk | !start a wm war |
| 07:28.19 | dpkg | X sucks! |
| 07:28.22 | bztunk | hahha |
| 07:28.31 | finaldesktop | chmod -R 777 ./ |
| 07:28.33 | bztunk | dpkg: X is not a wm |
| 07:28.34 | dpkg | ...but x is already something else... |
| 07:28.35 | nvz | wtf! |
| 07:28.36 | peterS | Tchiak: the difference being, mode 1777 does not allow users to delete or rename each other's files |
| 07:28.39 | prologic | I can't seem to go back to a console, ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing, just makes the X tty a been weird, pressing ctrl+alt+f7 makes it go back to normal. but I can't go to a console, why ? (using unstable). |
| 07:28.40 | rahul | beta3: C just makes you hardcode your optimization strategy and then make you rewrite the code when you realize that you chose the wrong tradeoff |
| 07:28.43 | gravity | Recon1: Hmmm... try "apt-get update" first |
| 07:28.50 | bztunk | 1x |
| 07:28.51 | bztunk | !x |
| 07:28.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:29.11 | nvz | dpkg: literal cmd: start a wm war |
| 07:29.11 | dpkg | nvz: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:29.15 | holycow | oh aptitude is neat |
| 07:29.19 | nvz | dpkg: literal start a wm war |
| 07:29.20 | dpkg | start a wm war is <reply> (fvwm95|twm|enlightenment|wmaker|blackboX|emacs|fluxbox|ratpoison|olwm|metacity|GNOME|KDE|CDE|fvwm95|X) (sucks|bites|blows|makes me vomit)! |
| 07:29.20 | holycow | thx for the tip :) i like that |
| 07:29.21 | beta3 | gravity: I personally don't think that its a good idea to use important services in a high level language, would you want to run apache or a sql style server in perl? |
| 07:29.39 | Recon1 | gravity: update but i get the same error |
| 07:29.41 | gravity | beta3: Sure. It handles buffer overruns for you |
| 07:29.43 | JimButton | rahul: i think beta3 is vaccinated against facts |
| 07:29.43 | beta3 | dpkg: literal start an mta war |
| 07:29.43 | dpkg | start an mta war is <REPLY> (sendmail|qmail|courier|exim|postfix|smail) (systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses mail|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation|has an evil license) |
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| 07:29.49 | nvz | dpkg: start a wm war ~= s/X// |
| 07:29.50 | dpkg | nvz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 07:29.53 | gravity | beta3: Java runs tons of important services on heavy iron. |
| 07:29.57 | rahul | JimButton: seems apparent |
| 07:29.59 | peterS | beta3: I wouldn't do that ... but for low-volume sites it's a valid option, given that as we've noted before the security is much easier to get right |
| 07:30.06 | gravity | Recon1: How did you install debian? |
| 07:30.11 | holycow | *blink* |
| 07:30.13 | mechan0r | I never understood the point of java on th server |
| 07:30.13 | beta3 | !start an mta war |
| 07:30.14 | rahul | beta3: it's more important to have important services secure and stable |
| 07:30.14 | dpkg | sendmail has shitty documentation |
| 07:30.17 | Recon1 | gravity: from cd |
| 07:30.19 | bztunk | !start a mta war |
| 07:30.20 | dpkg | exim sucks! |
| 07:30.30 | JimButton | !botabuse |
| 07:30.30 | nvz | damn, time for bed.. I cant even run a damn regexp |
| 07:30.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 07:30.33 | rahul | mechan0r: same as the point of C on the server, really |
| 07:30.41 | prologic | umm stop playing with the damn bot :) lol |
| 07:30.45 | rahul | it's just a programming language. |
| 07:30.49 | holycow | gravity, for a minute i thought you said "Java runs tons of IMPOTENT services on heavy iron." |
| 07:30.50 | mechan0r | rahul C is native java isn't |
| 07:30.56 | holycow | thats almost ironic :) |
| 07:30.57 | gravity | Recon1: How many disks? It might not be on the disk |
| 07:30.59 | gravity | holycow: ;-) |
| 07:31.00 | rahul | mechan0r: java is native if your JVM is |
| 07:31.01 | L00thar | I've always thought that doing high-level things by module allows you to switch over to low-level performance, module-by-module, as you check the code out... |
| 07:31.04 | dippo | parm: media int array (min = 1, max = 8), description "8139too: |
| 07:31.05 | dippo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.09 | Recon1 | gravity: from 1 CD |
| 07:31.11 | dippo | what the hell does that mean? from modinfo 8139too |
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| 07:31.18 | dippo | I am trying to set 100baseTx-FD |
| 07:31.18 | Recon1 | gravity: i dloaded the iso |
| 07:31.19 | rahul | mechan0r: I can run C non-natively, too |
| 07:31.19 | gravity | Recon1: Ok. Do you have a net connection in debian? |
| 07:31.21 | nvz | rahul: whats an example of that Windows? |
| 07:31.29 | rahul | nvz: huh? |
| 07:31.31 | JimButton | dippo: you set the bits, you force full duplex |
| 07:31.34 | JimButton | :) |
| 07:31.35 | nvz | rahul: the native JVM |
| 07:31.37 | Recon1 | gravity: i am opn it right now |
| 07:31.46 | dippo | what does that mean? |
| 07:31.50 | rahul | nvz: uh, any JVM that copmiles the bytecode to native code |
| 07:31.56 | peterS | dippo: use 'media=48' I think |
| 07:32.04 | peterS | dippo: depending on how it numbers its bits |
| 07:32.12 | rahul | nvz: windows isn't a jvm |
| 07:32.15 | finaldesktop | The guys from that invizible distribution say that kdelibs are of a too proprietary nature and won't ship them.. |
| 07:32.15 | Curtman | bztunk: Hah, incase your interested, the audio seems to work from rtsp://12.34.241.21/encoder/nasa.rm but not the video. And its delayed about 30 seconds from the video feed on the other one. |
| 07:32.23 | nvz | rahul: oh right.. I thought you meant like a JVM that was built-in |
| 07:32.26 | peterS | dippo: possibly 'media=1072' |
| 07:32.27 | JimButton | dippo: i thought the driver should recognize the speed and duplex capabilities of the card itself |
| 07:32.33 | peterS | dippo: or 'media=536' |
| 07:32.35 | gravity | Recon1: Cool. Run the program apt-setup and set up apt to use either ftp or http to get packages. Then do apt-get update and apt-get install aptitude |
| 07:32.38 | rahul | nvz: native as in compiles to the native ISA of the hardware |
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| 07:32.42 | Curtman | bztunk: -cache 1024 on the video feed seems to sync them. Whoopie. |
| 07:32.55 | peterS | dippo: let me check the 8139too source. I used to know this stuff |
| 07:32.59 | bztunk | Curtman: hum, ok |
| 07:33.03 | nvz | !fuck the windows scripting host |
| 07:33.07 | JimButton | peterS: doesn't it autodetect things? |
| 07:33.26 | peterS | JimButton: yes, but if your link partner doesn't do auto-negotiate, you might have to force the issue |
| 07:33.27 | nvz | that ought to make that bitch bleed |
| 07:33.30 | bztunk | nvz: haha, i did some wsh one, didn't like it :D |
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| 07:33.33 | peterS | JimButton: most modern networking hardware should auto-neg fine |
| 07:33.37 | JimButton | peterS: aah, i see |
| 07:33.39 | Xplosiv | :) |
| 07:33.46 | rahul | wtf does ogg123 skip far more often than mpg123? |
| 07:34.16 | JimButton | rahul: never experienced that, though now i always encode mp3 because of my iPod... |
| 07:34.36 | rahul | DMA is busted because of power surges |
| 07:34.36 | bztunk | JimButton: i would encode to aac if i were you |
| 07:34.40 | peterS | dippo: ok I just read the source. 'media=48' should work. |
| 07:34.44 | rahul | shitty farking IDE |
| 07:34.46 | dippo | where did you get the number 48 from? |
| 07:34.47 | Recon1 | is the official debain channel where the creators and developers for the OS hang? |
| 07:34.48 | bztunk | JimButton: ogg > *, but aac > mp3 |
| 07:35.00 | gravity | Recon1: Some of the dd's hang out here, but most don't |
| 07:35.02 | nvz | are oggs better compression? i.e. smaller filesize for equal or greater quality? |
| 07:35.05 | gravity | Recon1: This is more a user chan |
| 07:35.10 | rahul | blown DMA on two IDE controllers, but have had the same scsi controller in the box throughout |
| 07:35.12 | bztunk | nvz: to mp3? for sure |
| 07:35.17 | dippo | it says bits 4 and 9 for full duplex, and bit 5 for 100, right |
| 07:35.19 | peterS | dippo: reading the source (: |
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| 07:35.22 | dippo | isn't that 110001 in binary? |
| 07:35.27 | Recon1 | gravity: most of my ???'s a newb....was wondering if i was in the right place |
| 07:35.27 | JimButton | bztunk: is there good free AAC encoder? |
| 07:35.28 | gravity | nvz: I think you get the same compression, but better quality at the same size as mp3 |
| 07:35.29 | rahul | Recon1: this is more of a user-oriented channel |
| 07:35.29 | peterS | dippo: bit 4 is 16, bit 5 is 32. add them together to get 48 |
| 07:35.38 | gravity | Recon1: Yeah, this is the perfect place for them |
| 07:35.39 | JimButton | bztunk: in fact, is there any available AAC encoder for linux on PowerPC? |
| 07:35.44 | Recon1 | THANKS |
| 07:35.58 | peterS | dippo: bit 9 you can ignore, I don't know why it's even there. bit 4 works |
| 07:36.09 | bztunk | JimButton: hum, there's a decoding library, donno about encoding |
| 07:36.16 | dippo | ok, lemme try |
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| 07:36.36 | JimButton | bztunk: last time i looked there was nothing usable |
| 07:36.48 | JimButton | bztunk: so i use mp3... |
| 07:36.51 | nvz | gravity: well I know that when I had my RCA lyra long ago.. that Real Files could sound just as good as a 128kbs MP3 at 1/3-1/5 of the size.. I hated using real networks software, but I liked that player.. |
| 07:37.04 | atrus | Recon1: if google and the debian faq ( http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ ) don't answer your question, then this is generally the next place to try. |
| 07:37.08 | peterS | dippo: here's what the source says - apologies in advance to the rest of the chan for a 2-line paste |
| 07:37.11 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.14 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.34 | bztunk | JimButton: check out faac |
| 07:37.35 | gravity | nvz: Yeah, I don't know much of anything about the comparison between real and mp3, especially these days |
| 07:37.42 | bztunk | JimButton: (no idea if it compiles on ppc) |
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| 07:37.56 | JimButton | peterS: don't apologize, there are people who don't paste and manage to put less information in 100 lines :) |
| 07:38.03 | peterS | JimButton: hehe |
| 07:38.14 | dippo | shit |
| 07:38.15 | dippo | lost it |
| 07:38.15 | dippo | hehe |
| 07:38.26 | dippo | trying to do this remotely sucks |
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| 07:38.46 | nvz | gravity: I have always given Real, credit for having good file types, fairly lossless compression that workes well for streaming, but their software is aweful |
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| 07:39.08 | holycow | nvz you said it |
| 07:39.15 | gravity | nvz: Agreed on the awful software. Hopefully the helix thing will fix that |
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| 07:39.18 | holycow | they tried to make money on something you can't make money on |
| 07:39.20 | peterS | nvz: in other words, great codec, too bad about the player |
| 07:39.46 | peterS | gravity: they seem to be sincere about the effort. I wonder if we will ever see results |
| 07:39.47 | holycow | peter yeah, they could of owned the entire market if they tried not to cash in on the player thing |
| 07:39.50 | holycow | but did consulting |
| 07:39.56 | bztunk | JimButton: check out http://faac.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=FAAC |
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| 07:39.59 | holycow | or some such, smaller company longer life is my thinking |
| 07:40.02 | holycow | *shrug* |
| 07:40.06 | beta3 | I can't believe Im recompiling my kernel for Ipv6 |
| 07:40.09 | gravity | peterS: I hope so. It does sound interesting. If I had the time these days to learn about codecs and whatnot I'dbe following it |
| 07:40.14 | peterS | holycow: apparently at least half their revenue stream is hosting, rather than server software, too. |
| 07:40.15 | JimButton | bztunk: thx |
| 07:40.23 | holycow | ah really? |
| 07:40.27 | holycow | v interesting |
| 07:40.32 | Erik2_ | Hi. Each time I reboot, I must re-enter "route add default..." I have only 1 nic with static ip. Why? |
| 07:40.33 | nvz | peterS: its not just the player.. their jukebox (ripper, encoder, burner) and all their other apps.. they all suck, like a black hole |
| 07:40.43 | gravity | Hehe |
| 07:40.46 | holycow | illhaveto read one oftheir filingsone of these days |
| 07:40.48 | mechan0r | do you have a resolv.conf |
| 07:40.50 | peterS | holycow: that's according to some dude involved with the helix effort, back when it was first announced |
| 07:41.01 | Erik2_ | mechan0r: yes. |
| 07:41.08 | holycow | peterS, *nod* |
| 07:41.44 | mechan0r | do you have /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:42.07 | peterS | bztunk: you prever WMV? |
| 07:42.12 | mechan0r | set the netmask to 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:42.13 | Erik2_ | mechan0r: yes. with eht0 inet static bla bla... (and auto eth0 before) |
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| 07:42.24 | cafuego | !find fuser |
| 07:42.29 | dpkg | smtp-refuser: (Simple spam-block with refusal message), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.5 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 35 kB |
| 07:42.31 | bztunk | peterS: yeah i do, libavcodec has a gpl decoder |
| 07:42.34 | Recon1 | gravity: i'm now running aptitude....thanks....now where did it install it to? |
| 07:42.37 | bztunk | peterS: for wmv9 |
| 07:42.47 | gravity | Recon1: which aptitude will tell you :-) |
| 07:42.53 | Erik2_ | mechan0r: with route, after boot, I have my network but not the default. |
| 07:42.54 | gravity | Recon1: Or "locate aptitude" |
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| 07:43.21 | mechan0r | I don't understand why media formats are not available for PPC |
| 07:43.31 | gravity | Recon1: You generally don't have to worry about that. If you want to know the explicit rules about where debian packages put things, read the Debian Policy. |
| 07:43.47 | bztunk | mechan0r: because they are only in binary format? |
| 07:43.49 | JimButton | mechan0r: they are not? |
| 07:44.00 | mechan0r | some aren't |
| 07:44.04 | mechan0r | sux |
| 07:44.10 | JimButton | mechan0r: what do you mean? |
| 07:44.10 | bztunk | mechan0r: and they should play in ppc machines.. |
| 07:44.13 | nvz | mechan0r: I didnt understand for years why software wasnt available for the Mac's but still people were paying ridiculous ammounts of money for these things |
| 07:44.25 | peterS | Recon1,gravity: if you don't want to read all of debian policy, read the FHS. very readable and useful. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 07:44.31 | gravity | Ah yeah |
| 07:44.37 | Recon1 | thanks! |
| 07:44.43 | gravity | peterS: But Policy is still worth reading :-) |
| 07:44.45 | JimButton | nvz: there was lots of software which was available only for mac, or the windows versions sucked |
| 07:44.51 | JimButton | nvz: look at music stuff |
| 07:44.54 | mechan0r | indeo5.0 is nowhere to be found |
| 07:44.57 | gravity | Recon1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 07:45.11 | bztunk | mechan0r: yeah, i think it's binary only :( |
| 07:45.11 | holycow | nvz, oneword: adobe |
| 07:45.12 | peterS | gravity: sure. but I think it mostly incorporates the FHS by reference, so you really should just read the one first, if what you want is filename policy |
| 07:45.13 | gravity | Recon1: Just in case anyone tells you that you should be using apt-get instead of aptitude. That email says why they're very wrong |
| 07:45.17 | nvz | JimButton: oh I know, the Macs were always superior in the small areas in which they were even useful |
| 07:45.32 | Erik2_ | mechan0r: hum... /etc/init.d/networking restart after change netmask to 0.0.0.0 in interfaces... now I have nothing with route!!! |
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| 07:45.41 | JimButton | nvz: and i still think they are very nice hardware |
| 07:45.49 | gravity | peterS: That's true. I don't even remember the specifics from policy anymore myself. I'm just so used to where things are :-) |
| 07:45.50 | JimButton | nvz: this ibook runs linux just great |
| 07:45.57 | nvz | JimButton: but just go ahead and try comparing Doom for example on Linux or Win32 to that of the Mac.. |
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| 07:46.16 | JimButton | nvz: i don't really play those one-person shooters |
| 07:46.20 | atrus | Erik2_: paste the relevant stanza of /etc/network/interfaces in #flood please |
| 07:46.21 | JimButton | nvz: i suck too bad at them |
| 07:46.35 | nvz | JimButton: well it was terible on MacOS |
| 07:46.54 | JimButton | nvz: well, but there were two games which came with MacOS here.. |
| 07:47.00 | JimButton | nvz: one with dinosaurs... |
| 07:47.02 | mechan0r | wolf3d was scarier than doom |
| 07:47.11 | JimButton | nvz: the other one with a bug or such |
| 07:47.17 | gravity | Second best Mac game ever |
| 07:47.20 | JimButton | nvz: very children-friendly :) |
| 07:47.23 | beta3 | good old iptables |
| 07:47.27 | beta3 | routes packets like a pro |
| 07:47.30 | nvz | JimButton: I think thats why Macs are using Unix based software now.. to be able to adopt the applications that were never created on their platform. |
| 07:47.38 | atrus | gravity: second to? |
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| 07:47.43 | gravity | atrus: Marathon |
| 07:47.48 | gravity | atrus: All of them :-) |
| 07:47.51 | Erik2_ | atrus: donce |
| 07:47.55 | Erik2_ | atrus: done |
| 07:47.55 | mechan0r | MacOS had a unix core (incomplete) from the beginning |
| 07:48.04 | gravity | mechan0r: Huh? |
| 07:48.10 | JimButton | nvz: after i experienced MacOS 9, i have to say, even switching to Windows would probably have been a step forward... |
| 07:48.20 | gravity | mechan0r: I don't remember any UNIX stuff in the toolbox |
| 07:48.23 | mechan0r | what else would it be |
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| 07:48.32 | bztunk | mechan0r: their own stuff? |
| 07:48.33 | JimButton | nvz: i can't understand why Mac buffs hailed MacOS <10 |
| 07:48.34 | gravity | mechan0r: It was its own thing |
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| 07:48.38 | atrus | Erik2_: unless i'm mistaken you need to add a 'gateway <server>' line in there |
| 07:48.38 | mechan0r | Apple didn't write from scratch |
| 07:48.39 | JimButton | nvz: it was just pathetic |
| 07:48.45 | gravity | mechan0r: Um. Yes they did. |
| 07:48.52 | gravity | Pre OSX they did |
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| 07:48.57 | myXtie | nvz : it was called dec ultrix ( mac os ) |
| 07:49.06 | mechan0r | not the way I've heard it |
| 07:49.09 | nvz | JimButton: yeah wasnt much of a step up from that stuff on the Apple IIGS |
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| 07:49.23 | JimButton | nvz: hey, the apple II was great for its time :) |
| 07:49.32 | JimButton | nvz: i had an apple ][+ |
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| 07:49.39 | nvz | JimButton: oh yeah.. the IIGS was quite impressive |
| 07:49.43 | Tchiak | still great for oregon trail |
| 07:49.46 | holycow | mechan0r, what did you hear? is it derrived from something else? |
| 07:49.58 | holycow | when i worked on it it seemed awfully unix/x11 ish |
| 07:49.58 | mechan0r | not sure |
| 07:50.01 | nvz | JimButton: in its time.. but to see that same software still being used 10 years later isnt wowing anyone |
| 07:50.10 | JimButton | nvz: yes, not really |
| 07:50.12 | Recon1 | should I upgrade all available packages listed in aptitude under UPGRADEABLE |
| 07:50.13 | gravity | holycow: No. It's not. Pre-OSX is wholly original |
| 07:50.16 | holycow | frankly linux has a nice balance between mac os and windows |
| 07:50.25 | holycow | gravity, yah? k. just curious |
| 07:50.31 | Erik2_ | atrus: oh... oups!!! indeed I need to add gateway... |
| 07:50.32 | mechan0r | GNOME is as close to a MAc as I'll ever need |
| 07:50.47 | JimButton | nvz: what irritated me was that multitasking sucked ass, and networking (TCP/IP) seemed to be about 1/10 of the speed of linux or MacOS X |
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| 07:50.59 | Erik2_ | atrus: thanks... I just forgot and don't see.. |
| 07:51.15 | atrus | Erik2_: np, i do the same all too often. :) |
| 07:51.19 | JimButton | nvz: it was practically impossible to run iTunes and let some other program run in parallel, the music would just skip all the time |
| 07:51.21 | mechan0r | gravity they stole the gui oncept but wrote the OS from scratch does that really seem likely |
| 07:51.43 | bztunk | mechan0r: yes |
| 07:52.04 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: iTunes wasn't implemented particularly well, but cooperative multitasking does have that problem. |
| 07:52.04 | gravity | mechan0r: They stole some of the GUI concept, but a lot of it was reworked. It's not that similar to Xerox's idea, although the funamentals were definitely stolen. |
| 07:52.04 | tix64 | mechan0r: the pissing multitasking and networking are proof enough for that theory, yes. |
| 07:52.14 | nvz | well I am going to sleep before I mess something up, or raid the kitchen and wake everyone up |
| 07:52.24 | Recon1 | hoe do i see what version of debian i am running? |
| 07:52.26 | gravity | mechan0r: Although Xerox certaintly knew about Engalbart's demo, so they weren't wholly original either |
| 07:52.32 | dondelelcaro | Recon1: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 07:52.38 | holycow | gravity, heh yeah like the *mouse* |
| 07:52.39 | holycow | heh |
| 07:52.46 | holycow | i'm surprised xerox didn't patent that |
| 07:52.52 | mechan0r | they forgot one thing for years |
| 07:52.56 | nvz | Recon1: that, or check version of libc6 usually works.. dpkg -l libc6 |
| 07:52.56 | bztunk | i happy they didn'T |
| 07:52.56 | mechan0r | the mouse button |
| 07:52.57 | gravity | holycow: Yeah, but they modified it down to one button, which was innovative and brought on by lots of hard testing |
| 07:52.58 | dondelelcaro | gravity: eh, everyone steals from everyone else to some extent... its the way things work... |
| 07:53.05 | gravity | holycow: Xerox didn't come up with the mouse either |
| 07:53.07 | holycow | they wouldnt of had to make another product ever |
| 07:53.11 | JimButton | holycow: they didn't patent shit, they had all these great ideas, and management was just not interested |
| 07:53.11 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I know. I love it personally :-) |
| 07:53.20 | holycow | heh jim, touche |
| 07:53.21 | mechan0r | dondelelcaro, it's the way we blame others when they don't work |
| 07:53.24 | holycow | gravity, really? who did? |
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| 07:53.48 | JimButton | holycow: that is another example that best quality does not always win |
| 07:54.00 | holycow | *nod* yeah |
| 07:54.04 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: Xerox was (at that point in time) trying to make sure that they didn't see their market for copiers dry up without being on the forfront of whatever happened... |
| 07:54.10 | bztunk | JimButton: better example would be windows |
| 07:54.17 | gravity | holycow: Douglas Engalbart. He also invented the first windowing systems. And he did his first demo with them as a cross-country networked thing X Windows System Style. All in the 70's. Apparently when he demo'd it all, it was the demo from God. |
| 07:54.17 | JimButton | bztunk: yes, i mean that |
| 07:54.18 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: unfortunatly, you can see how well they succeeded. |
| 07:54.19 | Recon1 | i'm running debian 2.2.5-11.5 with gnome 1.4......should I upgrade gnome? |
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| 07:54.41 | gravity | 2.2.5? Whoa |
| 07:54.42 | JimButton | bztunk: at Xerox PARC they had technology which kicked the hell out of windows crap |
| 07:54.43 | holycow | gravity, wow no shit? i had never heard of this b4 |
| 07:54.45 | beta3 | Recon1: maybe you should upgrade to woody |
| 07:54.52 | gravity | holycow: Yeah. Go google it. It's fascinating. |
| 07:54.58 | beta3 | holycow: I think thats potato |
| 07:54.59 | bztunk | JimButton: doesn't surprise me heh |
| 07:54.59 | gravity | holycow: The guy was really passed over. It's rather sad. |
| 07:55.15 | holycow | :D i definately haveto now |
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| 07:55.32 | Recon1 | beta3: is there an apt command to upgrade debian? |
| 07:55.32 | dondelelcaro | holycow: yeah, there are actuall videos in avi or mpeg of the original 8mms. |
| 07:55.46 | beta3 | ~tell Recon1 about potato->woody |
| 07:55.50 | exor674 | anyone here want to help me with a PCMCIA net card problem? |
| 07:55.58 | holycow | dondelelcaro, lol oh thats so sad |
| 07:56.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell exor674 about ask |
| 07:56.13 | holycow | he probably cant use a computer today without crying |
| 07:56.26 | gravity | dondelelcaro: No kidding? I've never seen those! |
| 07:56.43 | gravity | Never mind. Found them! :-) |
| 07:56.43 | beta3 | Recon1 shows how rock solid debian is tho |
| 07:56.46 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, they were on /. about 3 years ago... |
| 07:56.52 | gravity | Hm. Missed that. |
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| 07:57.07 | Recon1 | can i upgrade from potato to woody while logged in under gnome? |
| 07:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Recon1: yes. |
| 07:57.15 | beta3 | Recon1: I would assume so |
| 07:57.27 | Recon1 | ok lemme try...thanks |
| 07:57.45 | holycow | isnt x going to be updated? |
| 07:57.56 | gravity | Oh yeah. Engelbart invented hypertext too, essentially. Madness. |
| 07:58.03 | Recon1 | since this is my first try with linus i wanted to start with stable to make sure i'm not troubleshotting linus...rather troubleshooting my newbiness |
| 07:58.06 | holycow | if so then your going to get a partial install and x and dpkg will shutdown and you will h aveto restart/continue from command line |
| 07:58.10 | exor674 | Okay. I have an Xircom CardBus Ethernet II 10/100 card. In the Debian Woody Installer (I have to floppy boot because laptop has no CD drive) it loads the tulip_cb driver, but it hangs on DHCP |
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| 07:58.38 | holycow | recon, perhaps you should use mandrake or knoppix for a while first? :) |
| 07:58.44 | MikeH | in mutt, ive used it before, i deleted everymessage with a certain word in the subject, how do i go about that? it was either that or i selected one as a "template" and it deleted everyother message like that one |
| 07:58.50 | MikeH | how do i go about doing it? |
| 07:58.57 | dondelelcaro | holycow: nah, doesn't matter. A binary that you're using will keep on running happily. |
| 07:58.58 | holycow | but hey you got potato installed so your good already :) |
| 07:59.11 | holycow | dondelelcaro, yah? k. /ignore me |
| 07:59.12 | holycow | lol :) |
| 07:59.27 | rdancer_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.27 | peterS | MikeH: probably using tags. |
| 07:59.28 | gravity | Hey, if you can install debian, it's all downhill from there |
| 07:59.41 | gravity | At least until d-i is really out :-) |
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| 07:59.52 | peterS | MikeH: T ~s{your word} |
| 07:59.59 | peterS | MikeH: then ; d |
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| 08:00.13 | holycow | rdancer_1, who? Douglas Engalbart ? |
| 08:00.18 | peterS | MikeH: T tags messages, ; tells the next command to work on tags, and d deletes |
| 08:00.18 | exor674 | I read somewhere that I need to use xircom_cb for that card, and I compiled it (on a Debian desktop I have) and put in to the right place, but it tries to load and doesn't seem to find the card |
| 08:00.40 | peterS | MikeH: and ~s {your word} searches subject lines for {your word} |
| 08:01.23 | rdancer_1 | xel: rut? |
| 08:01.38 | exor674 | So, how do I get this Xircom network card to work |
| 08:02.35 | rdancer_1 | holycow: Recon1--check the logs :-) |
| 08:02.47 | holycow | doh! :) |
| 08:02.48 | holycow | lol |
| 08:02.54 | Recon1 | what do you mean? |
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| 08:03.24 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: am still amazed by the way you work it your first hours with Debian. |
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| 08:03.43 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: Youre simply wonderful |
| 08:03.44 | Recon1 | rdance_1....what do you mean? |
| 08:04.23 | cazador1976 | hello |
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| 08:04.32 | cafuego | !find vgetty |
| 08:04.37 | dpkg | webmin-vgetty: (vgetty control module for webmin), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.121-1 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 08:04.41 | cazador1976 | anybody knows tapa? |
| 08:04.46 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: Just a unix newbie that behaves smartely than i'd imagine |
| 08:04.48 | Recon1 | rdancer_1 I'm not following you |
| 08:04.48 | bztunk | !info tapa |
| 08:04.53 | Xinming | hi,all anyone could tell me how to configure my usb mouse in console plz? |
| 08:05.07 | cafuego | !find bin/vgetty |
| 08:05.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/vgetty' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/vgetty) in comm/mgetty-voice. |
| 08:05.17 | cazador1976 | !info tapa |
| 08:05.18 | holycow | recon, hang around, youll figure it out soon enough :) |
| 08:05.24 | Recon1 | thanks |
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| 08:05.47 | cazador1976 | i am looking for a person |
| 08:05.48 | kuru | how do you get 'curl' to recursively grab things? |
| 08:05.49 | Xinming | I ever did it.But I can't find a mice file in /dev/input/ |
| 08:05.51 | peterS | Xinming: install gpm. tell it to use device '/dev/input/mice' and protocol 'exps2'. install kernel modules 'mousedev', 'hid' and your USB host controller driver. the end. |
| 08:05.52 | cazador1976 | not a program |
| 08:05.59 | peterS | Xinming: cd /dev; MAKEDEV input |
| 08:06.10 | ShadowFoxLSU | how do you change display managers |
| 08:06.11 | bztunk | kuru: you use wget? :D |
| 08:06.24 | holycow | http://gotahoe.com/ <-- omfg worst url EVER!! |
| 08:06.30 | peterS | ShadowFoxLSU: the easiest way is to uninstall one and install another |
| 08:06.35 | kuru | bztunk: yes, but I am asking about curl. |
| 08:06.38 | gravity | ShadowFoxLSU: dpkg-reconfigure *dm (*dm being whichever dm you're using) |
| 08:06.43 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: you just came here few hours ago and asked st. like ``is this a forum where i can ask questions on debian, i've just installed it'' |
| 08:06.44 | ShadowFoxLSU | well i have gdm and kdm installed |
| 08:06.52 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: ok? |
| 08:06.53 | ShadowFoxLSU | ...how do I change the default |
| 08:06.56 | Recon1 | i'm afraid upgrading debian to woody will interrupt my nessus scan.....will i be OK? |
| 08:06.59 | gravity | ShadowFoxLSU: Like I told you |
| 08:07.03 | ShadowFoxLSU | mmk |
| 08:07.06 | ShadowFoxLSU | soory -- |
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| 08:07.15 | gravity | No problem |
| 08:07.22 | bztunk | kuru: then i donno |
| 08:07.26 | Recon1 | rdancer: yes, thats true....this is my first 3 days on any *nix |
| 08:07.31 | Xinming | peterS: thanks.But still the problem. :) |
| 08:07.31 | kuru | anyone? |
| 08:07.47 | peterS | Xinming: 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV input' should create /dev/input/mice. |
| 08:07.51 | Recon1 | rdancer_1 but i've worked with a lot of other stuff before |
| 08:07.58 | Xinming | If I cat < /dev/input/mice And it shows No such device. |
| 08:08.05 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: see all those other folks asking stupid/redundant/misleading/whatever questions? |
| 08:08.07 | peterS | Xinming: then follow my earlier advice |
| 08:08.19 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: you dont. thats co-ool |
| 08:08.20 | peterS | Xinming: install the kernel modules 'mousedev' and 'hid', and your USB host controller driver (uhci or ohci) |
| 08:08.25 | Recon1 | radncer1: the time has finally come for me to look outsode of Redmond for solutions |
| 08:08.31 | Xinming | peterS: Yes,I know that.But It doesn't work. |
| 08:08.37 | peterS | Xinming: 'mousedev' in particular is the one that controls /dev/input/mice - the others feed *it* data |
| 08:08.39 | Xinming | peterS: All are installed. |
| 08:08.47 | holycow | recon, once you go command line you never go back brotha |
| 08:08.50 | holycow | feel the freedom |
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| 08:08.56 | holycow | anything is possible all of a sudden |
| 08:08.58 | somekool | hello people |
| 08:08.59 | peterS | Xinming: make sure you didn't confuse 'mousedev' with 'usbmouse'. you don't need 'usbmouse'. |
| 08:09.00 | Recon1 | lol holycow |
| 08:09.18 | somekool | anyone can help me to choose from Vanilla or the Generic ? |
| 08:09.27 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: I know it's because you know other stuff, probably. It's even cooler you came without getting in touch with Unix. How came that, anyway, I wonder? |
| 08:09.39 | peterS | somekool: these would be flavors of Coke? try New Coke. |
| 08:09.41 | Xinming | peterS: Ok I will try.bbl |
| 08:09.47 | Xinming | peterS: Thanks anyone |
| 08:10.01 | Recon1 | rdancer_1: need better security tools to ward off the hackers from our sites. |
| 08:10.10 | holycow | recon you also came to the right distro |
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| 08:10.22 | somekool | I've found the difference between Vanilla, compact, ide-pci and bf2.4 but they dont talk about the "Generic boot" |
| 08:10.23 | holycow | everything on debian is easier than on onther distros |
| 08:10.27 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: What was the thing? |
| 08:10.28 | holycow | and even easier than windows |
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| 08:10.33 | peterS | somekool: you almost certainly want 'bf2.4'. |
| 08:10.43 | holycow | as i'm sure you noticed apt is just fukin wonnerfull |
| 08:10.43 | dondelelcaro | holycow: not like that's all that difficult... |
| 08:10.48 | Recon1 | rdancer_1: for starters Mandrake is french...so forget that |
| 08:10.50 | RainbowW | is there a way to get mutt to -not- beep on new messages in a particular mailbox? i just want to exclude one |
| 08:10.55 | holycow | dondelelcaro, muahahaha! why of course :) |
| 08:11.04 | somekool | really ? |
| 08:11.04 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: yes. Don't list that mailbox. |
| 08:11.09 | rdancer_1 | Recon1: what? |
| 08:11.12 | Recon1 | rdancer_1: slackware seemed a little odd |
| 08:11.20 | RainbowW | Recon1: slackware is a little odd. |
| 08:11.30 | holycow | Recon1, oh thats not good reasoning at all |
| 08:11.43 | rdancer_1 | holycow: shutup |
| 08:11.45 | holycow | sort of like the freedom fries thing dontcha think? |
| 08:11.46 | holycow | :) |
| 08:11.48 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: i'd still like it accessable as a mailbox tho, =blah, kind of thing |
| 08:11.50 | Recon1 | rdancer_1: there seemed to be a lot of support around debian and I've been hearing the name for years |
| 08:12.12 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: = is just the maildir... so it'll be accesable as one, mutt just won't check it for new mail. |
| 08:12.25 | holycow | Recon1, try all the other distros, you will quickly find out they have a lot less packages ready for you and they just rehash everything debian has been doing for years |
| 08:12.28 | holycow | usually a lot worse |
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| 08:12.42 | somekool | peterS you sure ? |
| 08:12.42 | holycow | <-- ex suser |
| 08:12.46 | Recon1 | holycow: actually got thru an install of mandrake until my buddy (also a french protester) told me. then i chucked the CD and grebbed debian |
| 08:12.51 | rdancer_1 | !holywar |
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| 08:13.13 | holycow | Recon1, heh really? so it wa a political thing. allright i can dig that :) |
| 08:13.20 | bztunk | Recon1: that's stupid of you |
| 08:13.25 | peterS | somekool: the others use Linux 2.2 kernels, because at the time woody was frozen for release, 2.4 wasn't really proven yet. these days, you usually want a 2.4 kernel for newer hardware support |
| 08:13.34 | holycow | like rdancer_1 said, obviously you have experience in the field |
| 08:13.38 | Recon1 | bztunk: gotta stick by my morals ;) |
| 08:13.59 | holycow | bztunk, its not much different from the debian manifesto frankly :) |
| 08:14.03 | bztunk | Recon1: whatever heh |
| 08:14.05 | holycow | just as dogmatic :) |
| 08:14.41 | Recon1 | i think debian is cooler anyway |
| 08:14.50 | RainbowW | my karma just ran over your dogma |
| 08:15.11 | holycow | lol @ RainbowW |
| 08:15.26 | tix64 | Recon1: you know that debian has many french developers? |
| 08:15.26 | somekool | peterS THANKS ! |
| 08:15.48 | Recon1 | tix64: thats OK....as long as it's not RUN in france |
| 08:16.06 | tix64 | Recon1: well, it's run worldwide |
| 08:16.13 | Recon1 | tix64: i don't dislike the people...it's their GOV |
| 08:16.36 | rdancer | Recon: wtf with french? |
| 08:16.40 | peterS | Recon1: Mandrakesoft is not run by the French government, if that eases your mind any |
| 08:16.48 | Recon1 | i know that |
| 08:16.51 | sussudio | rdancer: it's called trolling |
| 08:17.03 | Recon1 | anyway....stop adking me about french....lets talk debain |
| 08:17.03 | rdancer | !trolling |
| 08:17.03 | dpkg | hmm... trolling is scorp's idea of constructive criticism, or a poor man's opium |
| 08:17.04 | tix64 | Recon1: that's strange. i hear that about the US gov. mostly. |
| 08:17.26 | sussudio | ~debain |
| 08:17.28 | | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 08:17.28 | Recon1 | tix64: true |
| 08:17.29 | rdancer | sussudio: thnx |
| 08:17.30 | bztunk | tix64: that's what i'm thinking heh |
| 08:17.56 | rdancer | sussudio: wasn't meant that way, anyway |
| 08:17.59 | JimButton | ~french |
| 08:18.00 | | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:18.17 | JimButton | hmm, nothing about frogs... |
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| 08:18.30 | Recon1 | lol |
| 08:18.38 | tix64 | mhhh, frogs |
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| 08:19.45 | L00thar | Anyone in the U.S. who is 'anti-french' is just being a stooge for the U.S. ruling class. Prety dumb if you're not rich... |
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| 08:20.19 | JimButton | L00thar: is anyone here anti-french? |
| 08:20.30 | rdancer | ~czech |
| 08:21.15 | bztunk | why |
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| 08:21.23 | L00thar | JimButton: He just said so explicitly. 'Gov' is a bumsteer. |
| 08:21.34 | tix64 | bztunk: it's cold there in winter. |
| 08:21.41 | rdancer | bztunk: cause i know the people |
| 08:21.44 | L00thar | 'Freedom Fries' and all that. |
| 08:21.57 | bztunk | tix64: it is here also |
| 08:22.08 | JimButton | L00thar: well, that is just ridiculous |
| 08:22.08 | bztunk | rdancer: hum ok |
| 08:22.21 | L00thar | whatever. |
| 08:22.23 | larrry | hey how do you let X take remote connections? |
| 08:22.39 | larrry | I disabled security with xhost but I cant get anything to connect |
| 08:22.39 | tix64 | with a snap of my finger |
| 08:22.53 | rdancer | bztunk: last evening i was ridiculed for defending GPL, e.g. come and live here, you'd see |
| 08:23.06 | bztunk | rdancer: by mwilson, i know |
| 08:23.16 | tix64 | rdancer: that happens everywhere. |
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| 08:23.43 | rdancer | bztunk: /who mwilson? /who bztunk that he heard about it? |
| 08:23.53 | holycow | rdancer, dun worry about it |
| 08:23.57 | bztunk | haha |
| 08:23.57 | rdancer | tix64: the form is what matters |
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| 08:24.03 | holycow | open source and gpl are hard things to wrap ones mind around |
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| 08:24.15 | holycow | the intricacy and reasoning behind its existence are non obvious |
| 08:24.33 | tix64 | rdancer: how did they do it? |
| 08:24.36 | holycow | theres is apredominance of capitalist thinking that holds it as the truth, and i subscribe to it but ... |
| 08:24.52 | holycow | i am starting to see that there are many different answers that suit many different questions |
| 08:24.56 | bztunk | ~test |
| 08:24.58 | | Failed |
| 08:24.58 | bztunk | freaking ipv6 server, it's always lagging |
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| 08:25.08 | holycow | gpl and open source are just some answers, eventually everyone will see |
| 08:25.15 | rdancer | tix64, holycow: take the .cz people and some 50 yrs of dictatorship. interesting things would happen |
| 08:25.21 | rahul | the GPL was just RMS's attempt at getting everyone to sign over the copyright to all their software to him because "it would be protected" |
| 08:25.39 | tix64 | bah. |
| 08:25.40 | holycow | rahul actually the opposite has happened |
| 08:25.45 | rdancer | tix64: just ridicule and false self-righteous pseudoreasoning |
| 08:25.46 | rahul | holycow: yep |
| 08:25.51 | bztunk | rdancer: trolling again% |
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| 08:26.11 | rdancer | bztunk: responding re question ``how they did it'' |
| 08:26.18 | holycow | he is spurring capitalism through collaboartive effort, innovation, competition and things like that |
| 08:26.24 | holycow | without gpl we are fucked |
| 08:26.28 | rdancer | bztunk: give your stanza on what happened |
| 08:26.30 | CSMan | hey guys, what might be a reason for traceroute to do not work? |
| 08:26.36 | rahul | holycow: oh really? |
| 08:26.46 | bztunk | err |
| 08:26.52 | holycow | there are places for proprietary obviously, bsd licences and the like but i'm starting to think that without the gpl we are in some deep doodoo |
| 08:26.52 | JimButton | CSMan: have you tried traceroute -n ? |
| 08:26.53 | bztunk | rahul: trollling again? |
| 08:26.57 | rahul | holycow: without GPL, you have a chance to make a living off writing software |
| 08:27.12 | rahul | holycow: of course, RMS would rather that all programmers were his wage-slaves :) |
| 08:27.21 | holycow | actually thats not whats happening at all |
| 08:27.30 | tix64 | whine, whine, whine, whine |
| 08:27.34 | holycow | the gpl is basically commoditizing those products that can and should be commoditized |
| 08:27.40 | rahul | holycow: there's a reason NONE of the software I write is GPL'd |
| 08:27.50 | holycow | proprietary pricing models will always be charged for value added products |
| 08:27.51 | bztunk | rahul: look, you can't force someone to pay for software if it's not what they want |
| 08:28.04 | rdancer | bztunk^ |
| 08:28.13 | bztunk | rahul: with closed source software, it's not the consumer first, but it's you |
| 08:28.18 | rahul | bztunk: now THAT's insightful |
| 08:28.23 | holycow | what has happened for 20 years or so is proprietary has built a damn around commodities charging monopoly rents |
| 08:28.40 | rahul | holycow: exactly |
| 08:28.43 | holycow | things that can be commoditised will end up as the wealth of the world, a base to build on |
| 08:28.45 | holycow | but |
| 08:28.59 | holycow | REAL inventions and real value added to software will always charge moeny |
| 08:29.02 | rahul | holycow: but the GPL isn't necessarily the answer. public domain has existed forever. :) |
| 08:29.08 | Tchiak | buy gold |
| 08:29.08 | rdancer | !dict commodity |
| 08:29.08 | peterS | holycow: nah. the monopoly rents are only possible if you can lock in a market base. that's why open formats and protocols are much more important than open source, globally speaking |
| 08:29.10 | dpkg | Dictionary 'commodity' (2 shown; 6 total): 2. That which affords convenience, advantage, or profit, especially in commerce, including everything movable that is bought and sold (except animals), -- goods, wares, merchandise, produce of land and manufactures, etc. ;; articles of commerce [syn: {trade goods}, {goods}]. |
| 08:29.18 | bztunk | rahul: so what license do you use? and examples of your apps? |
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| 08:29.23 | rahul | peterS: very true |
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| 08:29.39 | holycow | well gpl has one over public domain it forces good will and it does not allow one to enrich them selves off the work of those that give away their lives for free |
| 08:29.40 | Tchiak | Buy Gold |
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| 08:29.49 | rdancer | !dict commoditise |
| 08:29.49 | dpkg | could not find definition for commoditise |
| 08:29.50 | holycow | its kind of like the hand that spanks the hand in the cookie jar |
| 08:29.58 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: what the hell does gold have to do with anything? |
| 08:29.58 | beta3 | anybody have a bind server here and are willing to stick my ipv6 ip in |
| 08:29.59 | rdancer | wtf commoditised? |
| 08:30.00 | holycow | if someone wants to REALLY innovate, one has to REALLY invest |
| 08:30.03 | holycow | not steal |
| 08:30.07 | L00thar | GNU/Linux is socialistic. Period. Hooray for that -- no wonder M$ hates us so... |
| 08:30.08 | simonrvn | rdancer: try the u.s. spelling |
| 08:30.14 | rahul | bztunk: MIT-style. I'm working on a document creation system, a window manager, a media player, a structured editor, and a few others |
| 08:30.18 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: not really... |
| 08:30.22 | rdancer | !commoditize |
| 08:30.28 | tix64 | L00thar: humbug |
| 08:30.30 | holycow | peterS, thats what i meant about the proprietary locking in commodities in the computing world |
| 08:30.32 | bztunk | rdancer: links? |
| 08:30.37 | simonrvn | !dict commoditize |
| 08:30.39 | dpkg | could not find definition for commoditize |
| 08:30.42 | bztunk | err |
| 08:30.46 | bztunk | rahul: links? |
| 08:30.49 | rahul | holycow: no one can give their lives away for free |
| 08:30.49 | rdancer | bztunk: wtf? |
| 08:30.54 | simonrvn | probably misspelled |
| 08:30.55 | peterS | L00thar: how will you know? |
| 08:31.04 | rahul | bztunk: none that have much of any use |
| 08:31.07 | holycow | rahul, if you write something and put it under a bsd licence you do |
| 08:31.10 | bztunk | rdancer: it's 3:30 here and i use tab completion too much |
| 08:31.11 | CSMan | ok |
| 08:31.13 | rahul | bztunk: still working on packaging them up |
| 08:31.19 | rahul | holycow: that's not "my life" |
| 08:31.25 | Misirlou | There is no verb form of commodity. |
| 08:31.28 | holycow | if you write it and put it under gpl you force those that add to your idea and use your work to grow to give back |
| 08:31.33 | rdancer | bztunk: ok. |
| 08:31.36 | rahul | Misirlou: commoditize |
| 08:31.37 | holycow | it took time to write it didn't it? |
| 08:31.44 | rahul | holycow: not my life |
| 08:31.48 | rahul | I have a job. |
| 08:31.57 | rahul | I write this stuff because I want to use it. |
| 08:32.02 | holycow | even if you do it for fun its still your life |
| 08:32.06 | Misirlou | It's not in my dictionary |
| 08:32.12 | rahul | just like debian maintainers (usually) maintain packages because they want to use them |
| 08:32.14 | Tchiak | create a license where you sell it so they can modify it.. and have th elicense include that any new software that is generated by the source that is sold you will recieve 20% of profits |
| 08:32.14 | Misirlou | Must be a new invention. |
| 08:32.15 | Tchiak | :P |
| 08:32.16 | bztunk | rahul: i'm sure the day you'll see your product in a propriary product you won't like the MIT license |
| 08:32.16 | holycow | *nod* i know what your getting at |
| 08:32.17 | holycow | :) |
| 08:32.23 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Actually, really. SUperfically, no. |
| 08:32.24 | rahul | Misirlou: get a better one. it's a commonly used word. |
| 08:32.24 | Tchiak | the sources of income would be tremendous |
| 08:32.37 | Recon1 | the contents of etc/debian-version says 3.0.......is the the woody version and should I now upgrade it tohigher ver of Gnome |
| 08:32.46 | rahul | bztunk: no, I did that because I wanted to allow proprietary extensions. |
| 08:32.47 | L00thar | peterS: Know what? |
| 08:32.49 | exor674 | What driver does the PCMCIA card: Xircom CBE2-100 need? The driver that is autoloaded when I insert the card jams the system |
| 08:32.57 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: not even really. GNU trades works for access to more work. Its not socialism at all. |
| 08:32.58 | rahul | bztunk: adds much more value to my own code. |
| 08:33.03 | peterS | L00thar: whether or not rahul had written any software you are using |
| 08:33.06 | bztunk | rahul: how? |
| 08:33.07 | holycow | dondelelcaro, exactly |
| 08:33.14 | holycow | its actually intellectual capitalism |
| 08:33.19 | holycow | it has a price |
| 08:33.33 | rahul | holycow: you don't trade anything. you can live your life just leeching off others. |
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| 08:33.48 | Tchiak | the hard thing about linux is tha tyou can't hide the fact that you used code.. cause it's visible on install.. it's not like windows where everything is so encrypted you would think you were looking at the matrix |
| 08:33.55 | holycow | rahul, your just playing semantics, i agree with what you say as it is essentially same as what i meant :) |
| 08:33.57 | rahul | bztunk: by allowing me to get what I want without having to spend all my time to create it |
| 08:34.17 | bztunk | rahul: don't understand how |
| 08:34.22 | rahul | holycow: well, you said you traded someting for something else |
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| 08:34.29 | CSMan | JimButton: about traceroute it seems that i can't get out of the internal network |
| 08:34.34 | burntash | the benhk kernel does a good job of turning my screen completely pitch black on bootup |
| 08:34.38 | rahul | bztunk: I hope you never have to leave your parents' basement :) |
| 08:34.38 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: The GPL, etc. are just the socialist nature of GNUnix having to present itself to the world thru the filter of capitalist relations. Really. |
| 08:34.41 | JimButton | CSMan: do you have a firewall? |
| 08:34.49 | holycow | tchiak, as soon as you have money involved you get things like microsoft |
| 08:34.50 | holycow | or sco |
| 08:34.51 | holycow | or sun |
| 08:34.54 | rahul | bztunk: if you don't know why people pay for things, you've got some problems ahead |
| 08:35.09 | holycow | or all the fuckers on download.com that think they can charge 29.99 for a win95 batch script |
| 08:35.12 | bztunk | rahul: i don't see the link |
| 08:35.27 | bztunk | rahul: and yeah, i know why people pay for things |
| 08:35.37 | holycow | if you introduce money into the equation the community dies and commerce takes over |
| 08:35.37 | Tchiak | hey i envy microsoft and their business plans they grew from little to the corp they are now.. i don't approve of the crap they produce... or some of their more unsavvry strategies |
| 08:35.45 | Tchiak | but i do respect microsoft |
| 08:35.45 | holycow | and that has a hwole other scenario |
| 08:35.50 | Tchiak | they had some good business sense |
| 08:35.52 | CSMan | JimButton: yeah, but i didn't have that problem before |
| 08:36.00 | rahul | bztunk: so why should I forbid people from building more powerful extensions off my product and allowing me to buy them? |
| 08:36.01 | CSMan | JimButton: shouldi open ports? |
| 08:36.01 | holycow | linux exists not for any other reason than the users need it |
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| 08:36.12 | holycow | money would destroy the goodwill in the community |
| 08:36.15 | simonrvn | Tchiak: and that's exactly what's wrong with the world |
| 08:36.18 | rahul | holycow: commerce is just one form of a community communicating |
| 08:36.19 | JimButton | CSMan: maybe UDP traffic is blocked or such, you might also try traceroute -I to use ICMP ECHO instead of UDP |
| 08:36.34 | CSMan | JimButton: i'll try that one |
| 08:36.35 | bztunk | rahul: because they can do it the open source way, not losing anything, and you'll benefit |
| 08:36.39 | Tchiak | Linux exists to provide an exprimental environment in which to program and develop new ideas |
| 08:36.43 | holycow | tchiak, their business model is not based on fair practice or good products, its based on do what you can any sneaky way to win |
| 08:36.46 | tix64 | holycow: but there already is much money involved in gnu/linux |
| 08:36.47 | Tchiak | it's a melting pot of programmers and debuggers |
| 08:36.48 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: uh, no. Socialism is as a theory doesn't apply adequately to the inherintly selfish nature of a programmers interaction with the GPL and similarly licensed works. |
| 08:36.54 | holycow | usually it involves buying lawyers and killing competition |
| 08:36.54 | rahul | bztunk: "the open source way"? |
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| 08:37.04 | bztunk | rahul: not propriary |
| 08:37.05 | rahul | bztunk: are we buddhists now? |
| 08:37.11 | burntash | anyone else experience the benh kernel turning your ibook black on boot up? |
| 08:37.11 | holycow | tix64, no there isnt, that is OUTSIDE the community |
| 08:37.14 | simonrvn | OS-do |
| 08:37.19 | simonrvn | uh, OSS-do |
| 08:37.26 | holycow | the dogs of war smell blood and they are coming to cash in |
| 08:37.27 | L00thar | SCO is a great example. Now Redhat... |
| 08:37.33 | Tchiak | if you want to look at some money grubbing bastards turn your attention to teh RIAA |
| 08:37.33 | holycow | but they can't take over because of the gpl |
| 08:37.36 | rahul | bztunk: no, the only way that product would ever be created might be if there was a chance of someone feeding their kids as a result. |
| 08:37.39 | tix64 | holycow: no, many developers are paid to do their work |
| 08:37.42 | holycow | all they can do is offer support and compete on that basis |
| 08:37.47 | Tchiak | they make MS look like preschoolers |
| 08:37.53 | holycow | tix64, only because the companies benefit from the os |
| 08:37.53 | rahul | holycow: they can't take over if it's public domain, either |
| 08:37.54 | CSMan | JimButton: didn't work either... willi have to open ports? |
| 08:37.54 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: it might explain what the works do for mere consumers who do not contribute... but then Freeware would be just as socialistic. |
| 08:37.56 | bztunk | rahul: you know you *can* sell oss software? |
| 08:38.06 | bztunk | rahul: and/or get paid creating it? |
| 08:38.06 | rahul | holycow: they can't take away what we already have |
| 08:38.08 | rahul | bztunk: HAH |
| 08:38.18 | Recon1 | Is it OK to idle this channel? |
| 08:38.18 | holycow | rahul yes but they can get competitive advantage without giving back |
| 08:38.22 | JimButton | CSMan: don't know, i am not a firewall guy |
| 08:38.24 | tix64 | holycow: yes, sure. but there is money involved. |
| 08:38.26 | JimButton | ~idle |
| 08:38.29 | Tchiak | no recon1 you must have an opinion |
| 08:38.31 | holycow | it cannot be a one way street, it must be forced a two way street |
| 08:38.34 | rahul | bztunk: yeah, pay me $150/hr to write software that you have to give away |
| 08:38.35 | L00thar | Tchiak: GNUnix is experiment AND production reality. |
| 08:38.41 | CSMan | hmmmm.... |
| 08:38.46 | holycow | tix64, *nod* your right but not directly in the community |
| 08:38.48 | CSMan | i'll play around with the firewall ops |
| 08:38.48 | rahul | holycow: what's wrong with competition? |
| 08:38.49 | Tchiak | god mplayer takes a long time to make |
| 08:38.54 | holycow | add money to debian for example and this community dies |
| 08:39.01 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Sorry. Don't buy that libertarian cap. |
| 08:39.02 | bztunk | rahul: you know what the people at sun do with gnome, do you? (i don't think they get paid 150$ a hour) |
| 08:39.04 | tix64 | holycow: okay, define 'community'. |
| 08:39.15 | holycow | rahul, nothing but it has to be on equal terms. competition in the free market is never fair |
| 08:39.18 | Tchiak | i think money shoudl be thrown towards X to advance it's development of graphics alone |
| 08:39.25 | rahul | holycow: if they're the only ones that are smart enough to be able to do something, then their work is worth something. would you rather that they extended something common or came up with something of their own? |
| 08:39.32 | holycow | Tchiak, you can, donate |
| 08:39.33 | rahul | bztunk: they sell hardware with it |
| 08:39.34 | Tchiak | under a controlled fashion that could produce a superior product quicker |
| 08:39.35 | holycow | nothin is topping you |
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| 08:39.39 | simonrvn | L00thar: hush you. you can't even spell it :) |
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| 08:39.54 | bztunk | rahul: and linus gets paid by the open source dev lab |
| 08:39.55 | rahul | holycow: um.. how is free compeition unfair? |
| 08:40.05 | Tchiak | yeah but i want them to just pay attention to makeing the graphics servers better.. right now X has just approached win3.1 level of graphics handling and feel |
| 08:40.09 | holycow | rahul, its not i never said it was |
| 08:40.13 | bztunk | rahul: of course they do. i think that's the way |
| 08:40.17 | rahul | holycow: debian depends on money to exist, of course |
| 08:40.28 | holycow | rahul, of course |
| 08:40.32 | rahul | holycow: you said that if there were free competition, it would be unfair |
| 08:40.44 | dondelelcaro | Tchiak: so write code! X works fine for what I do, but if you want it to do Y, you need to write it. |
| 08:40.54 | Recon1 | speaking of X....is gnome the best window manager....KDE felt unstable and junky |
| 08:41.02 | Tchiak | i hate gnome too much overhead |
| 08:41.06 | Tchiak | i just go with simple wm blackbox |
| 08:41.06 | holycow | no i'm saying that free competion is base on inequality... one guy has more money than the other |
| 08:41.09 | simonrvn | Recon1: gnome isn't a wm |
| 08:41.10 | rahul | how does removing debian's existence prevent the community from dying? |
| 08:41.10 | holycow | one guy is bigger than the other |
| 08:41.16 | Tchiak | but it also depends on the computer |
| 08:41.24 | holycow | gpl FORCES equal particapation/competition |
| 08:41.27 | rahul | holycow: how do you think he GOT that money? |
| 08:41.28 | holycow | you cannot take without giving |
| 08:41.30 | Recon1 | simonrvn: oh |
| 08:41.40 | holycow | rahul, who? billyg? |
| 08:41.46 | rahul | no, GPL forces _no_ participation/competition for those interested in eating. |
| 08:41.53 | rahul | holycow: anyone with money |
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| 08:41.58 | holycow | billyg got that money by not playin fair as per my definition |
| 08:42.00 | rahul | money doesn't just appear |
| 08:42.01 | Recon1 | see yall tomorrow |
| 08:42.05 | peterS | holycow: the guy who you said has more money than the other guy. how did he get it? |
| 08:42.07 | holycow | rahul, exactly my point |
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| 08:42.09 | bztunk | rahul: it's not like the MIT way does |
| 08:42.09 | Recon1 | thanks for your help |
| 08:42.14 | rahul | holycow: you mean by giving people what they wanted? |
| 08:42.22 | bztunk | argh freaking server laggin |
| 08:42.26 | holycow | from the other guys, very seldom is it because its a better product, wouldn't you agree? |
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| 08:42.34 | holycow | no not always |
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| 08:42.45 | rahul | bztunk: it allows people to feed themselves by building a better product |
| 08:42.49 | peterS | holycow: how can a "big guy" who takes advantage of the "little guys" bootstrap to that position, then? |
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| 08:42.54 | holycow | i witness every day people using products they dont actually want, they think they usually want them because they dont know of all thats available to them |
| 08:43.03 | rahul | holycow: so you're saying that they held people at gunpoint and took the money. |
| 08:43.08 | bztunk | rahul: and why the gpl doesn't? |
| 08:43.12 | holycow | peter yoru taking one example and making it too specific, extrapolate |
| 08:43.13 | beta3 | ahh |
| 08:43.14 | rahul | holycow: it's their money. |
| 08:43.16 | beta3 | love this ipv6 ip |
| 08:43.19 | holycow | no not gunpoint |
| 08:43.21 | peterS | rahul,etc: I think we have been trolled |
| 08:43.22 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: GPL is freeware that locks its doors on the pirates and organizes to keep free. What's the essential difference? |
| 08:43.24 | holycow | i'm saying theres many ways to compete |
| 08:43.27 | holycow | heres some examples: |
| 08:43.28 | rahul | bztunk: because it doesn't let you sell the prodiuct for a living |
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| 08:43.42 | holycow | laywers, laws passed, buying customers, giving products away from free |
| 08:43.43 | bztunk | rahul: it does, i told you |
| 08:43.48 | holycow | mergers, acquisitions |
| 08:43.50 | holycow | publicity |
| 08:43.55 | rahul | bztunk: you told me how to starve to death |
| 08:43.58 | holycow | espionage, and on and on |
| 08:44.01 | bztunk | rahul: no i didn't |
| 08:44.14 | holycow | none of those you will notice have anything to do with quality of product right? |
| 08:44.15 | rahul | bztunk: I make a better living giving people what they want for money instead of giving away my work for free. |
| 08:44.26 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: the essential difference is the fact that it requires that freedom, and exchanges it for other works (the "viral" aspect) in a form of intellectual capitalism. |
| 08:44.42 | bztunk | rahul: you know, if you want to be really greedy, that you can relicense? |
| 08:44.47 | rahul | and my clients make a better living paying me to give them what they want instead of waiting for someone to do it in their free time |
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| 08:44.59 | rahul | bztunk: "greedy"? |
| 08:45.06 | holycow | rahul thats fine |
| 08:45.16 | holycow | we are not talking about basically equal competition |
| 08:45.18 | bztunk | rahul: as in i want a bunch of money |
| 08:45.24 | rahul | bztunk: is wanting to be able to exchange my time and effort for others' greed? |
| 08:45.24 | simonrvn | rahul: what is it that you do anyway, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 08:45.24 | holycow | we are talking about sco trying to own linux |
| 08:45.31 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: ignoring that is like ignoring the exchange of money for goods in a typical capitalistic exchange. |
| 08:45.33 | rahul | simonrvn: write software |
| 08:45.37 | bztunk | rahul: the gpl doesn't? |
| 08:45.40 | simonrvn | rahul: cool |
| 08:45.43 | rahul | bztunk: it doesn't |
| 08:45.46 | holycow | were taling about microsoft trying to corner and keep the desktop monopoly pricing scam going |
| 08:45.49 | bztunk | rahul: why |
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| 08:45.53 | rahul | bztunk: it lets me write software and give it away. |
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| 08:46.12 | holycow | rahul yeah exactly :) |
| 08:46.13 | bztunk | rahul: and? |
| 08:46.27 | rahul | bztunk: since when did not making any money feed anyone? |
| 08:46.29 | [Outlaw] | Anyone know if it's possible to get the Belkin F5D7000 wireless PCI card to work in linux? |
| 08:46.49 | peterS | rahul: there are many situations where someone needs custom software written, and is willing to pay for it. that's been established. whether those same people are willing to pay for something which will then be released as free software has not really been proven / disproven. |
| 08:46.52 | bztunk | rahul: i never said that making money is bad, stop trolling |
| 08:46.55 | holycow | rahul, i'm not saying all software should be free |
| 08:46.56 | holycow | or gpld |
| 08:47.08 | holycow | some things make sense as bsd *cough* tcpip *cough* |
| 08:47.09 | peterS | rahul: in many situations it doesn't really disadvantage the original customer for the software to be free. they still need it, and they'll still pay for it. |
| 08:47.14 | rdancer | huh, talking czech, have to get some sleep |
| 08:47.18 | holycow | some proprietary such as oracle db |
| 08:47.20 | rahul | peterS: well, if it's customized for their specific use, then there's no point in GPLing it |
| 08:47.22 | holycow | others somewhere in between |
| 08:47.25 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: GPL is 'intellectual capitalism'? Amazing what people get out words and concepts... A merely ideological position. And untenable. Like rahul and his fixation with money. He can't see any other way to make a living. |
| 08:47.34 | peterS | rahul: ...and yet, also no point in *not* GPLing it. |
| 08:47.37 | rdancer | thanx all for help and gossip. |
| 08:47.56 | bztunk | peterS: heh, exactly |
| 08:47.57 | peterS | rahul: my point is that if "all software must be free" were codified into law, there would still be plenty of programming jobs. paid, I mean. |
| 08:47.58 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 08:48.00 | holycow | but for gpl has a nice balance between public domain and asking for fair play when you use the hard work of others to try and benefit just your self |
| 08:48.02 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: nice strawman. |
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| 08:48.04 | rahul | L00thar: who is going to give their food to me with no guarantee that they'll be rewarded for it? |
| 08:48.05 | beta3 | sup bob2 |
| 08:48.12 | holycow | i think rms never really foresaw what the gpl would really do |
| 08:48.16 | beta3 | bob2: do you have bind running on your colo |
| 08:48.21 | bob2 | beta3: working on config-manager. |
| 08:48.23 | bob2 | beta3: yes. |
| 08:48.29 | rahul | L00thar: are we going to be a society where the lazy get what they want at the expense of the hard workers? |
| 08:48.33 | dondelelcaro | holycow: I don't think you can even come close to saying that. |
| 08:48.33 | beta3 | bob2: could you add an entry for my ipv6 ip when I get it |
| 08:48.46 | beta3 | bob2: so I can surf undernet.org with a nice bnc like hostname |
| 08:48.47 | bztunk | rahul: that's what the MIT license allows.. |
| 08:48.50 | rahul | who is going to work hard if you can just demand anything you want? |
| 08:48.53 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Gee. That's what I was saying about you. |
| 08:48.56 | dondelelcaro | holycow: especially considering the fact that you're not RMS... |
| 08:49.00 | holycow | dondelelcaro, your probably right :) |
| 08:49.00 | rahul | bztunk: wrong. |
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| 08:49.11 | bob2 | beta3: haha, ok. |
| 08:49.14 | bztunk | rahul: tell me otherwise? |
| 08:49.15 | peterS | beta3: for you need reverse DNS, so you'd have to own a reverse zone and point it to bob2. |
| 08:49.16 | holycow | dondelelcaro, it may turn out he is a genious and not a lunatic :) hahaha |
| 08:49.22 | rahul | bztunk: no one will make money off of selling MIT software in the same way as for GPL software |
| 08:49.30 | beta3 | peterS: I own my own ipv6 /48 |
| 08:49.30 | dondelelcaro | holycow: well, he may be insane, but he's definetly not a mere lunatic. |
| 08:49.39 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 08:49.40 | bob2 | peterS: freenet6 at least delegates your reverse dns to whoever you want. |
| 08:49.41 | rahul | bztunk: how exactly does someone make money when they're selling something that's available for free? |
| 08:49.42 | beta3 | peterS: I think thats plenty of room |
| 08:49.49 | peterS | beta3: of course it is |
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| 08:50.02 | L00thar | rahul: You keep assuming you can't make money and live -- but it's alerady been pointed out to you an few times here that you can e.g. do 'support' work on a free OS for some group willing to pay you. |
| 08:50.09 | beta3 | bob2: they haven't sent me my return email yet |
| 08:50.09 | peterS | beta3: my point being, you need to control the reverse DNS. it's not just a matter of finding someone with BIND. |
| 08:50.12 | streuner | insane? You must be insane that you are even think of that work in combination with an genius |
| 08:50.15 | beta3 | bob2: register email even |
| 08:50.16 | bztunk | rahul: omg, are you stupid? i'll just stfu now, whatever |
| 08:50.17 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: uh, perhaps you should investigate what a 'strawman' really is. |
| 08:50.20 | rahul | L00thar: great, I can be a wage slave |
| 08:50.26 | bob2 | beta3: are they still handing out old ones? |
| 08:50.34 | peterS | beta3: if freenet6 or whoever is willing to point your reverse DNS zone wherever you want, then there you go. |
| 08:50.39 | beta3 | peterS: but freenet6 lets me point anywhere |
| 08:50.48 | beta3 | bob2: what do you mean |
| 08:50.49 | L00thar | holycow: RMS is just a man for the times. All this would have happened anywoay -- just have taken a different form/timeline. |
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| 08:51.06 | rahul | L00thar: I can only ever do something that's valued in the millions of dollars instead of the hundreds of dollars |
| 08:51.20 | L00thar | rahul: What can I say? You are dead wrong. |
| 08:51.25 | holycow | LOOTHAR interesting poing |
| 08:51.26 | holycow | perhaps |
| 08:51.29 | holycow | *shrug* |
| 08:51.35 | rahul | that's all this kind of socialisitic crap leaves you with. the poor get shafted. |
| 08:51.44 | bob2 | beta3: er, the 6bone is dying, bsd-style. it'll be replaced soon. |
| 08:51.51 | rahul | the rich can already afford to get what they want any time they want it. |
| 08:51.58 | peterS | bob2: dying, bsd-style. nice. |
| 08:52.03 | beta3 | bob2: o, whats it going to be replaced with? |
| 08:52.08 | bztunk | bob2: haha bsd-style |
| 08:52.09 | bucky | eat the rich |
| 08:52.14 | [Cadet] | hey |
| 08:52.17 | dondelelcaro | bucky: they're quite tastey... |
| 08:52.26 | holycow | rahul, well no one said you haveto release anything under gpl |
| 08:52.31 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: I need no lessons in logic from you. |
| 08:52.31 | bucky | plump and tastey |
| 08:52.37 | holycow | rahul, release stuff under a licence that suits you |
| 08:52.40 | rahul | holycow: no, they just attack me if I don;t :) |
| 08:52.40 | simonrvn | rahul: the ppor get shafted no matter what form of capitalism you have: private or public |
| 08:52.47 | L00thar | rahul: You ARE a wage slave. |
| 08:52.50 | rahul | simonrvn: huh? |
| 08:52.59 | bucky | is lindows going to buy reiserfs? |
| 08:53.06 | bztunk | wtf |
| 08:53.07 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: then you should be capable of separating my arguments from myself... |
| 08:53.15 | rahul | L00thar: exactly. because I do contract work. I never keep ownership of my code. |
| 08:53.19 | holycow | hehe :) well screw em, its your hard work dude, sure i would love to have your contribution to gpl as well but who the *f* am i to even ask? |
| 08:53.21 | beta3 | bob2: bsd-style lol |
| 08:53.35 | holycow | gpld codebase i mean |
| 08:53.40 | bob2 | beta3: I dunno. |
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| 08:53.49 | beta3 | bob2: why is it dying? |
| 08:53.53 | L00thar | rahul: See you in the Revolution, then. |
| 08:53.57 | rahul | L00thar: I just work for VERY rich people, so they don't care to pay me the value of a whole product every time I write it. |
| 08:54.10 | simonrvn | rahul: marxism and and capitalism are just 2 sides of the same coin (pun not intended, partly) |
| 08:54.11 | bob2 | beta3: being shut down. I think the plan is that you should be able to get non-tunneld ipv6 access by now. |
| 08:54.15 | bztunk | beta3: because netcraft said so haha |
| 08:54.29 | holycow | to be honest if i could make money with gpling code i would be able to spare more time and improve my skills, but i make my money in support so i dont have a lot of time to contribute ... rahul you definately have a point |
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| 08:54.34 | beta3 | bob2: like how would that work |
| 08:54.37 | rahul | simonrvn: you mean competition and anti-competition are the same? |
| 08:54.42 | beta3 | bob2: like ipv6 gateways to connect to the internet |
| 08:54.50 | holycow | but wheni can i will make my contribution to the codebase that has enriched my life ... its only fair |
| 08:54.59 | simonrvn | rahul: marx wasn't anti-competition |
| 08:55.10 | rahul | holycow: I don't want to be stuck making money in support, so I'd rther not spend my time writing gpl'd software :) |
| 08:55.19 | bob2 | beta3: your ISP would assign you a /48, and route it to your gateway. from there you'd do whatever the hell you like with it. |
| 08:55.23 | rahul | simonrvn: if there's only one way to get something, how is there competition? |
| 08:55.27 | holycow | *nod* nuffin wrong with that :) |
| 08:55.31 | peterS | beta3: like, your ISP talking IPv6 and IPv4 side-by-side on their own backbones and peers. |
| 08:55.41 | beta3 | bob2: and I would own that /48? |
| 08:55.45 | rahul | simonrvn: if you want labor, there's only one organization to purchase it from under marxism |
| 08:55.46 | peterS | beta3: this is already reality for xs4all.nl or someone like that, and a handful of other ISPs. |
| 08:55.50 | holycow | loothar, yep very good point :) |
| 08:55.51 | beta3 | bob2: it makes me feel like my isp would own that |
| 08:56.04 | peterS | beta3: your ISP might own a /48 and give you a /56 from it, or something |
| 08:56.05 | simonrvn | rahul: well, you're assuming one needs competition to get something :) |
| 08:56.18 | beta3 | peterS: but ipv6 /48 are free |
| 08:56.32 | bob2 | beta3: I have a /48 from freenet6.net. |
| 08:56.33 | L00thar | simonrvn: Not really. But in the english-speaking world, politics is pretty primitive. Mired in 18th Century liberalism... |
| 08:56.39 | peterS | beta3: from the 6bone, yes. in the real (non-tunneled) world, who knows. it will depend on your ISP. |
| 08:56.40 | rahul | L00thar: I'm a normal employee. full benefits package (crappy one, but I can afford getting the money instead of the benefits) |
| 08:56.52 | rahul | simonrvn: no, I'm not. read again. |
| 08:56.54 | bob2 | peterS: hm, I thought the standard in some way "encouraged" at least ISPs to give out full /48s? |
| 08:57.03 | peterS | beta3: the IPv6 address space has been determined to be allocated hierarchically per-ISP, much more so than IPv4. this simplifies the backbone router tables. |
| 08:57.11 | simonrvn | L00thar: so are most far-left discussions i've been to... |
| 08:57.17 | peterS | bob2: I could be mistaken, maybe ISPs get something bigger than /48s |
| 08:57.23 | rahul | simonrvn: one needs competition for the best skilled person to provide a service to the person who can make use of it best. |
| 08:57.26 | holycow | 18th century had liberalism? werent they just coming out of the dark ages back then? |
| 08:57.28 | holycow | heh ;) |
| 08:57.53 | peterS | holycow: "liberalism" is a term which has changed meaning quite drastically between the 18th century and the 20th |
| 08:58.06 | peterS | holycow: in the 20th century, statists basically coopted the term (: |
| 08:58.07 | beta3 | its run by retards |
| 08:58.11 | holycow | ah. k. :) |
| 08:58.16 | beta3 | and giving them more destruction power... |
| 08:58.19 | rahul | "liberalism" means that you're against money and what it can buy :) |
| 08:58.37 | simonrvn | rahul: uh, no. |
| 08:58.41 | beta3 | they would find a way to give us all 1 single ipv6 ip on dhcp and charge me an extra 15 bux a month for it |
| 08:58.47 | beta3 | bob2: thats my isp |
| 08:58.48 | peterS | rahul: it used to mean you were in favor of new ideas. these days it mainly means you're on the modern political left, which is not at all the same thing |
| 08:59.00 | peterS | beta3: heh |
| 08:59.00 | Tchiak | night |
| 08:59.17 | simonrvn | and those "new ideas" at the time included neo-feudalism |
| 08:59.32 | beta3 | peterS: Id prefer to stay with freenet6 over that |
| 08:59.40 | bucky | rahul, you should move to utah, join the church and be a fat happy conservative living in a fat happy world |
| 08:59.42 | simonrvn | get enough of that already, thank you very much |
| 08:59.43 | rahul | peterS: personally, I'm in favor of ideas that are fair to all parties involved, so I'm neither liberal, conservative, left, nor right, but I'm not moderate about my views :) |
| 08:59.44 | L00thar | rahul: like a lot of exploited people, you have a schizophrenic attitude to your exploitation: on the one hand, you rail against the exploitation; on the other, you admire your exploiters and accept their ideology -- essentially you would very much like to BE in their position. Needless to say, there is a fundamental contradiction here... |
| 08:59.47 | holycow | peterS, that definition sounds right |
| 08:59.59 | peterS | beta3: the problem with tunneling solutions is that they don't scale. fine for a test network like freenet6. not so fine for the global Internet |
| 09:00.03 | holycow | peterS, probably thats the meaning in the states more than anywhere else |
| 09:00.17 | rahul | bucky: you should realize that supporting competitive processes doesn't mean someone supports religious absolutism. |
| 09:00.17 | simonrvn | L00thar: people are pretty brainwashed in the west.. |
| 09:00.19 | holycow | liberals in say india would be very conservative by u.s. standards :) |
| 09:00.23 | L00thar | simonrvn: Left stuff is at _least_ 19th Century. ;> |
| 09:00.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:00.37 | bucky | rahul, not where i come from |
| 09:00.39 | rahul | L00thar: amazing how you come up with this stuff :) |
| 09:00.51 | rahul | bucky: you come from a retaded society, then :) |
| 09:01.00 | bucky | you and McBride could rule the world |
| 09:01.09 | peterS | beta3: for the global Internet, you want routing similar to IPv4 routing, but you really want to consolidate routes by making the address hierarchy match the ISP connection topology as closely as possible. |
| 09:01.11 | holycow | simonrvn, one could say that for any country though, i just look at the weird social customs such as pride killings in the third world to see mirrors of that |
| 09:01.14 | rahul | who is McBride? |
| 09:01.24 | peterS | beta3: with the size of the IPv6 address space, this is actually possible to achieve. |
| 09:01.25 | beta3 | peterS: i would only like ipv6 for isps if many more small isps spruced up |
| 09:01.40 | rahul | holycow: "third world"? That's a muslim thing, not something to do with industrialization. |
| 09:01.41 | bucky | rahul, he'll be in court tomarrow with ibm |
| 09:01.50 | beta3 | peterS: My isp would never give me reverse dns, they are bastards |
| 09:01.50 | rahul | bucky: well, he can have fun there. |
| 09:01.52 | L00thar | peterS: To mention 18th Century liberalism is to imply 20th-21rst Century NEO-liberalism: i.e. the IMF, the World Bank, Wall St... |
| 09:01.54 | holycow | rahul, okay your right |
| 09:01.56 | holycow | :) |
| 09:02.02 | bucky | moo |
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| 09:02.34 | simonrvn | holycow: but in the rest of the world - non-mainstream - you see plenty of really new ideas. not just old re-hashed ones |
| 09:02.50 | peterS | beta3: well, with the size of the IPv6 address space, they have no reason to be stingy giving out static netblocks. whether or not they choose to be bastards will depend, I guess, on whether they have any competition in your area |
| 09:02.57 | L00thar | simonrvn: At least the crisis is coming to a head... :/ |
| 09:03.04 | holycow | simonrvn, *nod* yeah i can see that |
| 09:03.23 | beta3 | peterS: none. They killed it all off, which is really irritating |
| 09:03.28 | L00thar | rahul: I am an amazing guy. |
| 09:03.36 | simonrvn | L00thar: more and more people see the cracks, as i like to say.. |
| 09:03.57 | beta3 | peterS: Id love to use a small business over a large company |
| 09:04.00 | simonrvn | "the emperor has no clothes" |
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| 09:04.03 | beta3 | good thing Im off my old ISP now |
| 09:04.08 | rahul | L00thar: yeah, your obsession with oppressing everyone does that :) |
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| 09:04.15 | peterS | beta3: broadband? the problem with broadband is the amount of infrastructure it requires - the customer needs more than just the ability to make a phone call. |
| 09:04.18 | beta3 | good old DS3 is coming my way |
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| 09:04.35 | peterS | beta3: this is unfortunate, but I don't know what can really be done to foster more competition in broadband space |
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| 09:05.05 | rahul | broadband is a utility, like electricity, gas, and oil |
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| 09:05.07 | beta3 | peterS: I don't know, but I just bought a DS3 for 1000 a month, what a good deal |
| 09:05.23 | peterS | yeah, sounds like it |
| 09:05.23 | simonrvn | wtf is ds3? |
| 09:05.24 | L00thar | (He decides to risk the wrath of the Nasty Boyz...): I admit I have no idea why, with Gnome 2.4, application error messages are not being written to ~/.gnome-errors. |
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| 09:05.36 | rahul | it requires a physical connection to your home and a distribution system. it's even more complex because the system is 2-way |
| 09:05.39 | beta3 | simonrvn: 45Mbits symmetrical |
| 09:05.42 | peterS | simonrvn: "phat pipe" |
| 09:05.47 | simonrvn | ouch nice |
| 09:06.03 | rahul | simonrvn: T3 over copper wire using digital signalling |
| 09:06.07 | peterS | beta3: for 1000 a month, I hope they threw in a static netblock or two |
| 09:06.10 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 09:06.13 | beta3 | peterS: yeah |
| 09:06.17 | beta3 | peterS: they did |
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| 09:06.39 | simonrvn | beta3: what size of block(s)? |
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| 09:06.57 | beta3 | simonrvn: let me check |
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| 09:07.13 | rahul | L00thar: apples are not oranges |
| 09:07.13 | simonrvn | L00thar: bah |
| 09:07.17 | beta3 | stupid sheet didn't say |
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| 09:07.25 | beta3 | simonrvn: all I know is I have 100++ IPs |
| 09:07.28 | L00thar | And bears are not bats. |
| 09:07.51 | peterS | beta3: 126 IPs would be a /25 |
| 09:07.53 | simonrvn | beta3: hrm, a /24 or /26 ? |
| 09:07.55 | L00thar | Hay -- I just calls `em as I sees `em. |
| 09:08.02 | L00thar | Hey |
| 09:08.04 | rahul | socializing true commodities would just push prices sky high, as some paper-pusher decided on how much profit they wanted to make |
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| 09:08.12 | L00thar | B.S. |
| 09:08.16 | rahul | L00thar: so you support exploitative monopolies |
| 09:08.17 | beta3 | simonrvn: /24 iirc |
| 09:08.25 | peterS | beta3: so, 254 addresses. |
| 09:08.27 | L00thar | Exact opposite -- as California et al. proves. |
| 09:08.31 | simonrvn | L00thar: dude socialism failed as much as capitalism. face it |
| 09:08.32 | beta3 | peterS: that sounds right |
| 09:08.38 | lkthomas | anyone have an experience to move debian from IDE HD to SCSI ? |
| 09:08.42 | rahul | L00thar: california has nothing to do with this |
| 09:08.44 | peterS | beta3: that's 256, but you lose 2 for each netblock |
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| 09:08.49 | L00thar | Not to mention the entire IMF plan for World Domination... |
| 09:08.51 | rahul | lkthomas: just do it... |
| 09:08.51 | beta3 | peterS: thats not that bad |
| 09:08.58 | simonrvn | lkthomas: compile scsi drivers into kernel, move data over |
| 09:09.05 | beta3 | peterS: I was thinking about hosting a freenode server |
| 09:09.05 | rahul | lkthomas: new hard disk howto. how is it different from ide to ide? |
| 09:09.06 | lkthomas | simonrvn, that's it ?! |
| 09:09.13 | L00thar | simonrvn: Nothing of the sort. |
| 09:09.16 | simonrvn | lkthomas: uh, yes |
| 09:09.27 | lkthomas | simonrvn, how about bootsector problem ? |
| 09:09.38 | holycow | beta, you got it just for kicks? |
| 09:09.41 | peterS | beta3: go for it, if you're not already cramming your DS3 full of more useful stuff |
| 09:09.44 | L00thar | enuff. Some minds can only take in facts at a low rate... |
| 09:09.45 | simonrvn | lkthomas: heh |
| 09:09.50 | lkthomas | simonrvn, ? |
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| 09:09.51 | holycow | :D |
| 09:09.56 | beta3 | holycow: well yeah seems that way |
| 09:09.59 | rahul | L00thar: how ironic :) |
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| 09:10.59 | simonrvn | yay, kernel almost finished. just packing up the headers now |
| 09:11.18 | lkthomas | simonrvn, what should I do for the bootsector ? |
| 09:11.20 | beta3 | simonrvn: know what ya mean |
| 09:11.24 | L00thar | Still looking for the best explanation as to how the loopback interface 127.0.0.0/127.0.0.1 explicitly works -- and why mine quite doesn't, after years of tinkering... |
| 09:11.50 | simonrvn | lkthomas: like normal. (it's an x86 i assume) |
| 09:11.56 | rahul | L00thar: maybe you explicitly disabled it? |
| 09:11.59 | simonrvn | lkthomas: it's just a different kind of bus.. |
| 09:12.06 | L00thar | maybe up my ass? |
| 09:12.07 | beta3 | peterS: My worst fear currently is that people will want to do major lan parties daily |
| 09:12.13 | lkthomas | simonrvn, so I just run grub and install the bootsector ? |
| 09:12.23 | beta3 | peterS: I guess I could put them on the cluster |
| 09:12.29 | rahul | L00thar: it works implicitly, anyway. what you asked would make sense if it were true. |
| 09:12.33 | simonrvn | a drive is a drive is a drive. do what the fuck you want with it |
| 09:12.46 | rahul | it would be a matter of explicitly doing it right instead of wrong. |
| 09:12.53 | beta3 | peterS: I should really sell hosting services shouldn't i |
| 09:13.12 | simonrvn | rahul: only my wife can do that. sorry buddy :) |
| 09:13.13 | peterS | beta3: if your agreement with upstream allows resale, sure. I guess with something as big as a T3 it probably does |
| 09:13.16 | rahul | heh |
| 09:13.43 | beta3 | peterS: I think it does |
| 09:13.54 | beta3 | peterS: I have enough pcs to setup my own datacentre |
| 09:13.56 | simonrvn | yay. done |
| 09:14.03 | peterS | beta3: wait, you said hosting, not connectivity. I don't think they'd prevent you from selling hosting, even if your contract says no resale |
| 09:14.07 | bztunk | beta3: wtf? you are always thinking? and you're going to pay a thousand bucks a month? |
| 09:14.17 | holycow | beta3, debian mirrors dude |
| 09:14.18 | beta3 | bztunk: sure why not |
| 09:14.19 | holycow | :) seriously |
| 09:14.20 | holycow | :) |
| 09:14.28 | bztunk | beta3: haha ok |
| 09:14.29 | beta3 | holycow: nah, they already have 200++ |
| 09:14.35 | bztunk | beta3: it's not my money |
| 09:14.50 | simonrvn | beta3: i'd look into a freenode server though. they need some |
| 09:14.56 | beta3 | peterS: what would be really profitable, is local wireless services |
| 09:15.04 | beta3 | simonrvn: I noticed |
| 09:15.41 | simonrvn | i'd offer one, but i have neither the money nor the h/w to host one |
| 09:15.53 | beta3 | peterS: I could easily compete with the local isp comcrap, nice big speeds no caps, and a static ip |
| 09:16.02 | beta3 | peterS: 60 bux a month |
| 09:16.10 | holycow | beta neat idea |
| 09:16.30 | bztunk | haha i should do this |
| 09:16.36 | beta3 | no caps as in, you can use as much bandwidth as you want in a month |
| 09:16.42 | bztunk | but i don't have a thousand bucks a month to spare :( |
| 09:16.45 | peterS | beta3: for $60 / month you'd have to have 15 customers or more, and that's before you pay for any other infrastructure besides your T3. |
| 09:16.45 | simonrvn | beta3: what you're paying for that t3 is almost what our income is for the month |
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| 09:17.06 | beta3 | peterS: right |
| 09:17.11 | peterS | beta3: not that I'm saying it couldn't be done - it probably could - but you're asking for a lot of headache |
| 09:17.45 | bztunk | peterS: maybe he doesn't care about profiability |
| 09:17.50 | holycow | think of the telephone calls |
| 09:17.56 | holycow | people are assholes :) |
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| 09:18.01 | holycow | especially computer users |
| 09:18.05 | beta3 | peterS: If business is good, Ill put in a second one |
| 09:18.10 | simonrvn | +clueless |
| 09:18.11 | holycow | never mind the fact most of them will be using windows :) |
| 09:18.16 | beta3 | peterS: and Im definetly selling SIP services |
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| 09:18.46 | bztunk | !SIP |
| 09:18.47 | dpkg | from memory, sip is Session Initiation Protocol. It allows you to make phone calls over the internet securely |
| 09:19.06 | holycow | hahaha :) |
| 09:19.07 | peterS | beta3: just make sure you know what you're getting into. there are a lot of miscellaneous costs of doing business that nobody thinks about. |
| 09:19.08 | bztunk | beta3: is it what you are talking about? |
| 09:19.11 | holycow | i was just googling that :) |
| 09:19.13 | beta3 | peterS: my new box prototype will allow you to have your own personal PBX and replace all POTS |
| 09:19.19 | beta3 | bztunk: yes |
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| 09:19.27 | beta3 | POTS phones that is |
| 09:19.35 | holycow | peter, hes already spending 1k/month for no reason |
| 09:19.38 | Elimin8or | No mater what I do. I cant boot any other kernel other then the 2.4.18 one I get this error: VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or hda1 Please append a correct "root" boot option, Kernel panic; VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda1.. it working on the kernel once then stoped working a few months ago.. now I cant even get it to work on anything. except the 2.4.18 one. any idea? and yes I have IDE Staticly compiled in. |
| 09:19.42 | beta3 | you can keep an existing one, and can dial from anywhere in the internet locally |
| 09:19.42 | holycow | how hard of a decision can it be? |
| 09:19.44 | peterS | holycow: good point |
| 09:19.44 | holycow | :D hehehe |
| 09:20.22 | holycow | what *I* want to know is what does he already do to afford it? :) now increasing profit there might turn into something |
| 09:20.23 | holycow | heh |
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| 09:20.29 | L00thar | Elimin8or: Is the root fs a module? |
| 09:20.39 | beta3 | holycow: my dad makes 250000 a year |
| 09:20.40 | Elimin8or | L00thar Nope all static |
| 09:20.51 | holycow | day pays for it? |
| 09:20.59 | holycow | heh sw33t |
| 09:21.08 | beta3 | holycow: he wants me to make it semi-profitable |
| 09:21.16 | rahul | Elimin8or: again, you don't have support for your ide controller and/or ide hard drives |
| 09:21.18 | beta3 | it was his idea for the sip |
| 09:21.20 | L00thar | Elimin8or: It mounts properly with another kernel> |
| 09:21.29 | beta3 | he said I could deal with the rest |
| 09:21.49 | Elimin8or | rahul I do have support for ide controler on there |
| 09:21.55 | bztunk | beta3: can i be your brother? |
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| 09:22.05 | beta3 | bztunk: sorry, already have one |
| 09:22.07 | sussudio | bztunk: only if you'd have a lobotomy |
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| 09:22.18 | bztunk | hum, lobotomy |
| 09:22.46 | IV0 | hey every1 |
| 09:22.48 | IV0 | can anyone help me? |
| 09:22.56 | bztunk | ~ne1 |
| 09:22.58 | | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 09:23.02 | sussudio | ~every1 |
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| 09:23.06 | beta3 | peterS: putting in place a datacentre and running colos would probably be more profitable then running hosting services |
| 09:23.25 | peterS | beta3: I've always considered colos to be a form of hosting services |
| 09:23.35 | peterS | beta3: no reason you can't offer both, see what people want |
| 09:23.42 | beta3 | peterS: hmm |
| 09:23.46 | IV0 | can anyone help me? |
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| 09:23.50 | holycow | beta, heh, let the users fuck them selves and haveto solve their own problems |
| 09:24.00 | bztunk | IV0: ask |
| 09:24.09 | beta3 | holycow: thats not how money is made efficiently |
| 09:24.10 | IV0 | i had just finished using redhat and looking for something new, i am a chatter, browse the internet and download music. is Debian good for me? |
| 09:24.14 | peterS | beta3: holycow is right. colo services are probably a lot less headache |
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| 09:24.46 | bztunk | IV0: hum, yeah |
| 09:24.48 | beta3 | either way Im going to build a datacentre structure somewhere in my backyard |
| 09:24.49 | rahul | IV0: is that a help question? |
| 09:24.50 | peterS | IV0: for chat, web, etc., any linux distribution is about equally good. |
| 09:25.12 | peterS | IV0: Debian has advantages and disadvantages over Red Hat. |
| 09:25.13 | bztunk | beta3: in your backyard? wow |
| 09:25.26 | beta3 | bztunk: I have like 15 acres or something like that |
| 09:25.38 | bztunk | beta3: haha ok |
| 09:25.47 | madness | IV0: try it, see if you like it or prefer it. |
| 09:25.50 | IV0 | sorry rahul for being a newbie, i hope i didnt piss you off :\ |
| 09:25.55 | IV0 | ok |
| 09:25.57 | IV0 | thanks madness |
| 09:26.23 | rahul | IV0: did you expect us to say that debian is bad? |
| 09:26.24 | beta3 | bztunk: I may build the structure myself |
| 09:26.27 | peterS | beta3: here's a question for ya. obviously you were able to by a large pipe from someone nearby. why will customers want *you* for colo, rather than *them*? surely they offer that stuff |
| 09:26.28 | beta3 | bztunk: good with my hands |
| 09:26.35 | exor674 | I have a Xircom CBE2-100 PCMCIA Card. When I insert it the tulip_cb driver is loaded, but when I try to Start the network and DHCP (I am in the installer) the laptop locks |
| 09:26.37 | madness | IV0: but as peterS says - for doing what you do, everything is pretty much as good as each other once you've set it up. |
| 09:26.51 | IV0 | [rahul] i expected a fair opinion =) |
| 09:26.52 | beta3 | peterS: people like local, small business |
| 09:26.53 | exor674 | Is tulup_cb the right driver for that card, if not what driver is |
| 09:27.37 | peterS | beta3: well, I doubt you can run a datacenter more efficiently than whoever you bought your pipe from. so you'd better hope people *do* like buying from a local small business, because I don't think you'll win on price alone |
| 09:27.48 | rahul | IV0: that would involve you getting a psychological evaluation |
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| 09:27.58 | exor674 | IV0: I started using Linux on RedHat, and I personally prefer Debian over RedHat |
| 09:27.58 | beta3 | peterS: Ill price competitevly |
| 09:28.33 | beta3 | peterS: if their running colos, they're bound to be smarter than the average windows user |
| 09:28.42 | beta3 | peterS: probably a unix geek |
| 09:28.45 | peterS | you'd think |
| 09:29.01 | beta3 | peterS: remind me when bob2 gets back, Ill host his box for cheap |
| 09:29.34 | madness | IV0: basically, you'll find that the advantages to debian are much better package management and a huge software repository, but that you may find debian a bit more difficult to set up the first few times |
| 09:29.58 | rahul | I've found debian to be easier to set up in many situations |
| 09:30.09 | peterS | rahul: sure, if you know what you're doing. (: |
| 09:30.11 | madness | IV0: if you're someone who has a little bit of patience, and doesn't mind reading docs, you'll be just fine. |
| 09:30.13 | rahul | even when it's being done by newbies |
| 09:30.15 | bztunk | beta3: where do you live? |
| 09:30.24 | madness | rahul: sure, me too, but not the first couple of times I did it. |
| 09:30.26 | rahul | peterS: if you know how to read what's in front of your face, actually :) |
| 09:30.42 | rahul | madness: I had more trouble later, actually :P |
| 09:30.48 | peterS | rahul: that, and if you already have some knowledge of the concepts involved. a lot of people have no idea what to think of disk partitioning, for example |
| 09:30.50 | rahul | but maybe I'm special |
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| 09:30.54 | bztunk | actually, that's right |
| 09:30.59 | bztunk | i was scared to use debian |
| 09:31.04 | bztunk | so i tried mandrake (7.2) |
| 09:31.13 | bztunk | but the installer wasn't easier than the debian one... |
| 09:31.14 | beta3 | bztunk: suburbs of Philly |
| 09:31.37 | bztunk | beta3: and there's no competition there? |
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| 09:31.49 | beta3 | bztunk: none, everybody are idiots around here |
| 09:31.57 | rahul | peterS: well, sure. but debian isn't much of the "do whatever might be a good default even if it'll blow away everything that I've done" software |
| 09:32.02 | bztunk | beta3: haha lol |
| 09:32.23 | rahul | it's socialized. celebrate :) |
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| 09:32.52 | beta3 | debian must be the best distribution |
| 09:32.54 | madness | I think the first versions of Linux I seriously used (as opposed to messing around with) were redhat 5.something and debian ( I think it was called Hamm ?) - I had all sorts of nightmares with that version of debian, but the first time I used woody, it made sense to me entirely. |
| 09:32.56 | IV0 | btw, one question remaining before i go |
| 09:32.58 | beta3 | look how many others are based off of it |
| 09:33.12 | IV0 | is the debian installation stable 'n' easy? |
| 09:33.33 | peterS | beta3: by that yardstick, RH is the best |
| 09:33.36 | beta3 | IV0: see progeny installer |
| 09:33.40 | madness | IV0: stable, yes, easy depends on your definition of easy |
| 09:33.43 | xerophyte | can somebody able to help me with qmail, i am not able to recevie email for newly create virtual email address but i am able to send it .. how can i test what seems to be the problem maillog only shows the login message where can i trouble shoot receive part of qmail problem |
| 09:34.03 | beta3 | ~tell IV0 about progeny installer |
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| 09:34.11 | rahul | IV0: it's easy if you can read what's on the scren |
| 09:34.25 | bob2 | beta3: DIEDIEDIE. |
| 09:34.28 | Caesar | If I mail to nnnn@bugs.debian.org, does the package maintainer see that? |
| 09:34.32 | beta3 | bob2: huh? |
| 09:34.45 | madness | IV0: if you're the kind of person that requires a pretty graphical screen on the installer before you can call something "easy", then no, it's not. |
| 09:34.47 | rahul | IV0: if you're not familiar with basic concepts of what you're doing when installing an OS, you might need to read the install doc |
| 09:34.57 | beta3 | bob2: whats the rate in USD your are paying for your colo monthly |
| 09:34.59 | rahul | debian's installer is a pretty graphical screen |
| 09:35.15 | madness | IV0: but otherwise, you should be fine. there are good documents that guide you through the process. |
| 09:35.24 | rahul | it's got a blue background, a border, some text, and a few options |
| 09:35.34 | bob2 | beta3: $25 or something. it's justa LVM hosting thingy. |
| 09:35.46 | bztunk | heh, it's been about 3 years that i started using linux |
| 09:35.47 | rahul | Caesar: yes |
| 09:35.48 | beta3 | bob2: what kind of line does it have? |
| 09:35.56 | madness | rahul: by "pretty graphical" I mean, the "KLICK HERE FOR NEW LINUX" type of installer. |
| 09:35.57 | Caesar | ta |
| 09:36.08 | beta3 | bob2: I was gonna charge 50 for 10mbit line and 5 ips |
| 09:36.13 | peterS | rahul: not graphic enough to get a MPAA rating. the RH9 installer is probably PG13, eh? |
| 09:36.29 | beta3 | peterS: you should see progeny installer |
| 09:36.32 | rahul | peterS: I wouldn't know |
| 09:36.35 | beta3 | peterS: anaconda ported to debian |
| 09:36.47 | rahul | madness: you mean authoritarian, then |
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| 09:36.51 | beta3 | peterS: its definely PG-15 :) |
| 09:37.00 | peterS | beta3: heh |
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| 09:37.09 | bob2 | beta3: an extremely crap shared 10mbit/s one |
| 09:37.21 | rahul | "You will not choose any options. I will set up your system how I want to. Click here to submit to my demands." |
| 09:37.21 | beta3 | bob2: I was gonna give your dedicated |
| 09:37.29 | madness | rahul: indeed. |
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| 09:37.46 | amarillo | Im trying to install a MT blog here, now, you can install it in a cgi-bin, but its too much of a mess.. I want to install it in /var/www/admin, and the blogs go in /var/www/blogs, both created, now, How can you expect that the cgis in admin/ to be executed?, I added an option in apache but it doesnt seem to work (ExecCGI's), should i move admin/ (Blog files) to /usr/lib/blogadmin and make a ScriptAlias admin /usr/lib/blogadm |
| 09:37.47 | bob2 | beta3: am I correct in thinking a t-3 is ~45MBit/s? |
| 09:37.51 | amarillo | in/ and add ExecCGI or what? |
| 09:37.56 | beta3 | bob2: correct |
| 09:38.04 | bob2 | beta3: good lord. |
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| 09:38.30 | beta3 | bob2: how does dedicated sound and a new box sound? |
| 09:38.42 | amarillo | Is there a need to have ScriptAlias for <dir.. with execcgi to work? |
| 09:38.45 | bob2 | beta3: very nice? |
| 09:38.51 | beta3 | bob2: I need to get rid of this amd athlon xp 1800 box |
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| 09:38.59 | beta3 | bob2: its free if you buy the colo |
| 09:39.28 | bob2 | amarillo: copy the existing <Directory> block it has for /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and modify it for /var/whatever |
| 09:39.46 | amarillo | bob2: i did |
| 09:40.01 | amarillo | bob2: didnt use a ScriptAlias though, should I use script alias? |
| 09:40.12 | bob2 | amarillo: yes. |
| 09:40.19 | bob2 | beta3: how much? |
| 09:40.39 | amarillo | bob2: then I should place my admin/ folder into another dir, example /opt/whatever/admin ? |
| 09:40.55 | bob2 | amarillo: wherever you like. doesn't MT come with setup docs? |
| 09:41.09 | amarillo | bob2: It does |
| 09:41.17 | amarillo | bob2: good ones, but coulndt figure it out |
| 09:41.45 | amarillo | bob2: I got an answer from #apache, thanks nodaways |
| 09:41.48 | bob2 | hm, pyblosxom would not rquire much patching to handle multiple users easily. |
| 09:41.54 | bob2 | someone should that. |
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| 09:42.14 | rahul | don't let it go away. this feeling has got to stay. |
| 09:42.38 | bob2 | you fooz. |
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| 09:42.50 | rahul | @penixstrike bob2 |
| 09:43.12 | rahul | stupid bot |
| 09:43.14 | rahul | ~penixstrike bob2 |
| 09:43.18 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bob2 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:43.18 | beta3 | bob2: Id put you on for like 4 months |
| 09:43.22 | rahul | wee |
| 09:43.28 | beta3 | bob2: minimum 4 month contract |
| 09:43.33 | beta3 | bob2: to pay for the box |
| 09:43.37 | beta3 | 50 bux a month |
| 09:43.45 | amarillo | bob2: <Directory /path/to/mt-cgi-dir> AddHandler cgi-script .cgi Options +ExecCGI </Directory>. did it without scriptalias |
| 09:44.01 | CSMan | hey guys, possible reasons for a hd stopping spinning after iddling for n minutes? |
| 09:44.28 | beta3 | bob2: you have the option of using the same colo box and me sending you the other box, or you can use my box instead of the colo |
| 09:44.57 | rahul | CSMan: bios power saving |
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| 09:45.11 | beta3 | bob2: cya, Im tired |
| 09:45.19 | bob2 | amarillo: ok. |
| 09:45.21 | bob2 | beta3: 'night. |
| 09:45.21 | CSMan | i'll take a look... |
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| 09:56.21 | L00thar | The last refuge of scoundrels is ad hominem... |
| 09:56.21 | bob2 | L00thar: that's a non-sequitor! |
| 09:56.22 | nvz | I hope I have a video card somewhere.. or this is a nightmare.. seems all I got left in my box of parts is an S3 Vision968, and an S3 Trio64V2/DX. |
| 09:56.22 | bob2 | RainbowW: you keep your troubled lead pipe away from me. |
| 09:56.22 | L00thar | non-sequitur? |
| 09:56.22 | bob2 | rahul: ^ |
| 09:56.22 | peterS | nvz: XFree86 3.3 time! |
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| 09:56.23 | rahul | heh |
| 09:56.23 | bob2 | RainbowW: I can change! |
| 09:56.23 | rahul | my lead pipe isn't troubled! |
| 09:56.23 | L00thar | You mean oxymoron? Or maybe just moron... |
| 09:56.23 | peterS | nvz: actually the Trio64V2/DX is a ViRGE, isn't it? XF86 4.x supports those |
| 09:56.23 | Madkiss | eh |
| 09:56.23 | bob2 | or an X4.4 pre-release. |
| 09:56.23 | rahul | ask him, he'll tell you |
| 09:56.23 | Madkiss | were there some clonebots here? |
| 09:56.23 | restin256 | wow :P |
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| 09:56.23 | nvz | peterS: already using it.. I got one of those Trio64V2/DX in here now.. I was going to swap it for a real one.. then realized why I havent thought of that already |
| 09:56.23 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 09:56.23 | bob2 | Madkiss: no, that's just a bg old-fashioned OPN netsplit |
| 09:56.23 | amarillo | bob2: im a happy dog |
| 09:56.23 | rahul | and you're so sad. it's too bad. I wish I could have had what you had. |
| 09:56.23 | Madkiss | hm |
| 09:56.26 | rahul | L00thar: be sure to bring condoms, and do some loosening exercises |
| 09:56.26 | Madkiss | oh. |
| 09:56.26 | restin256 | did you make that up yourself? |
| 09:56.26 | Madkiss | weell, have a niec day then |
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| 09:56.26 | L00thar | See Dick? See Jane? See Dick and Jane? |
| 09:56.26 | L00thar | Not what I had in mind... |
| 09:56.26 | restin256 | does anybody know how I can take an uncreated partition and format it as FAT32 from Debian? |
| 09:56.26 | restin256 | very very newbie question :embarassed_icon_would_go_here: |
| 09:56.26 | rahul | L00thar: speaking of which... |
| 09:56.26 | peterS | restin256: dosfstools includes 'mkdosfs' |
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| 09:56.27 | bob2 | restin256: mkfs -t vfat /dev/whatever |
| 09:56.27 | peterS | restin256: alternatively, there is 'mformat' from mtools |
| 09:56.27 | restin256 | rockin' |
| 09:56.27 | restin256 | awesome. Thanks :D |
| 09:56.27 | restin256 | hmm |
| 09:56.27 | peterS | restin256: (the latter is intended for floppies, and I don't know if it handles FAT32) |
| 09:56.27 | rahul | this is not my idea of a good time! |
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| 09:56.27 | bob2 | peterS: mkfs.vfat won't work? |
| 09:56.27 | restin256 | isn't FAT32 readable and editable by both Linux and Windows, or am I misinformed? |
| 09:56.29 | rahul | restin256: it is. |
| 09:56.32 | peterS | bob2: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Oct 10 04:35 /sbin/mkfs.vfat -> mkdosfs |
| 09:56.34 | restin256 | rockin. I asked this other guy and he said I was mistaken. |
| 09:56.42 | rahul | heh |
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| 09:57.00 | rahul | you can even FORMAT a fat32 partition in linux |
| 09:57.00 | bob2 | peterS: oh, duh me. |
| 09:57.06 | peterS | bob2: so either way you need 'dosfstools' |
| 09:57.10 | bob2 | rahul: GAH, REALLY? |
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| 09:57.19 | rahul | ... |
| 09:57.28 | restin256 | I'm running low on space for the filesharing proggys by putting in a second 40gig HD and making it read/writeable by both windows and linux |
| 09:57.28 | rahul | bob2: yes, as you told us |
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| 10:03.36 | exor674 | WTF was that? |
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| 10:03.50 | peterS | exor674: simonrvn wants on the channel, but the user limit is exceeded |
| 10:04.00 | tamran | I'm having trouble getting multiple programs to use sound at the same time, I read about esd and installed it, and it sort of fixed my problem, however the sound was laggy. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 10:04.30 | aphex | hey, I installed the kernel-image-2.4.18, but when I tried to boot up it gives me kernel panic can not mount fs, I looked at the lilo.conf file and it is set as following, root=/dev/hda1 and boot/dev/hda |
| 10:04.35 | exor674 | what user limit? isn't the user limit at 620 |
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| 10:06.50 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonrvn) |
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| 10:07.32 | PDani | hi |
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| 10:07.51 | bytewalker | whats the secret to getting nvidia cards to work? (debian unstable) |
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| 10:08.13 | shob | do i need to apply the kernel-patch-debian-2.4.23 package in order to compile a downloaded kernel using make-kpkg? |
| 10:08.23 | PDani | i've got the following message, when i tried to compile the blender under unstable: |
| 10:08.25 | PDani | chopin:/usr/local/src/blender/blender# ./bootstrap |
| 10:08.25 | PDani | Running aclocal ... |
| 10:08.25 | PDani | aclocal: configure.ac: 320: macro `AM_PATH_PYTHON' not found in library |
| 10:08.25 | nvz | probably has something to do with the nvidia debs and the documentation |
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| 10:08.30 | bytewalker | geforcefx 5200 if that matters |
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| 10:09.04 | bytewalker | is "nv" the xserver module i select? |
| 10:09.12 | nvz | shob: no |
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| 10:09.23 | tamran | bytewalker: what kernel version are you using? |
| 10:09.26 | shob | nvz: thanks.. then what are those for? |
| 10:09.29 | adler | Hi |
| 10:09.30 | bytewalker | tamran 2.4.22 |
| 10:09.31 | nvz | shob: just need to untar the source and read the manpage |
| 10:09.35 | bytewalker | tamran : debian unstable |
| 10:09.41 | adler | can the "application/x-java-vm" plugin be downloaded via apt-get? |
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| 10:09.52 | tamran | bytewalker: a fresh debian install? |
| 10:09.59 | bytewalker | tamran yup, about 10 minutes old:p |
| 10:10.13 | nvz | shob: apt-cache show kernel-patch-debian-2.4.23 |
| 10:10.13 | tamran | bytewalker: and you've got nvidia vid card? |
| 10:10.18 | bytewalker | tamran ytup |
| 10:10.23 | bytewalker | fx5200 |
| 10:10.27 | tamran | ok, nv will work for you at first |
| 10:10.43 | lord_rob | adler: yes but you need to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list first |
| 10:10.45 | tamran | bytewalker: but you'll want to get the updated driver from the nvidia website |
| 10:10.48 | bytewalker | i cant get it to:( |
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| 10:10.57 | bytewalker | vesa worked ok though |
| 10:11.28 | lord_rob | alder: using sid ? |
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| 10:11.36 | adler | lord_rob: I have sarge |
| 10:11.36 | simonrvn | fuck man |
| 10:11.37 | peterS | simonrvn: wb! |
| 10:11.40 | adler | sorry, sid |
| 10:11.45 | tamran | bytewalker: when you get the nvidia accel driver it'll work a lot faster |
| 10:11.46 | adler | (Unstable) |
| 10:11.46 | bytewalker | i need to comment out something in xfconfig or something i heard |
| 10:11.49 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 10:12.00 | lord_rob | alder: it's the same, /msg dpkg sid mozilla java deb |
| 10:12.18 | tamran | bytewalker: yeah you have to uncomment ... one sec, lemme get my notes I wrote it down |
| 10:12.32 | bytewalker | tamran k thx.. what card are u using? |
| 10:12.48 | tamran | ensure the line: Load "glx" |
| 10:12.49 | adler | thx lord_rob! |
| 10:13.00 | lord_rob | np |
| 10:13.00 | tamran | remove the following lines: |
| 10:13.04 | tamran | Load "dri" |
| 10:13.06 | shob | nvz: i know, i saw that.. but any info on what exactly those patches are? |
| 10:13.11 | tamran | Load "glcore" |
| 10:13.15 | tamran | Load "dri" |
| 10:13.16 | tamran | Load "glcore" |
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| 10:13.29 | nvz | shob: exactly what that description says I would imagine |
| 10:13.40 | tamran | bytewalker: I've got a geforce 2 |
| 10:13.50 | nvz | shob: thats an official main package.. has to follow policy |
| 10:14.06 | bytewalker | tamran: is that old or new? heh |
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| 10:14.09 | sword- | what's up |
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| 10:14.20 | lord_rob | how can I configure verbosity level when I configure a package with dpkg-reconfigure ? I was prompted to choose that when I first installed debian |
| 10:14.23 | sword- | does the latest stable version of debian come with 2.4.22 and 2.6.0? |
| 10:14.23 | tamran | bytewalker: it's relatively old, what card do you have? |
| 10:14.31 | justSCOaway | hi folks |
| 10:14.38 | nvz | sword-: what ever you use |
| 10:14.50 | peterS | sword-: no. you can use it with those, though |
| 10:14.54 | bytewalker | tamran: geforce fx 5200, donno how old it is but it cost $150 a few weeks ago |
| 10:14.56 | tamran | sword-: I think it's 2.4.20 |
| 10:15.04 | nvz | sword-: installer has 2.2.20-idepci, 2.4bf.. etc |
| 10:15.04 | peterS | sword-: for 2.6 you'll have to find a backport of 'module-init-tools', but other than that it should mostly work fine |
| 10:15.05 | sword- | its packaged with 2.4.20 eh? |
| 10:15.06 | tamran | bytewalker: that's a lot neweer |
| 10:15.07 | sword- | ok |
| 10:15.34 | simonrvn | sword-: no |
| 10:15.37 | shob | nvz: so it's just to create the kernel-source package.. got it.. |
| 10:15.40 | nvz | tamran: what do you base that on? |
| 10:15.48 | bytewalker | ok i got 'no screens found' still, mabey its my moniter settings or resolution or osmething |
| 10:15.51 | simonrvn | sorry for the late reply.. |
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| 10:15.55 | tamran | nvz: on the install CD I downloaded about 2 weeks ago |
| 10:15.58 | sword- | k thnx |
| 10:16.08 | peterS | bytewalker: could be any number of things. read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if you can find the root cause there |
| 10:16.17 | simonrvn | boucman: good man |
| 10:16.21 | simonrvn | woops |
| 10:16.25 | simonrvn | bob2: ^^ |
| 10:16.32 | simonrvn | boucman: sorry about that |
| 10:16.36 | nvz | shob: no, its basically the patches that debian kernel maintainer appied when he made that package.. you can still make your own source packages without that.. |
| 10:16.47 | nvz | shob: the package is not required for anything |
| 10:16.51 | tamran | simonrvn: you just apologized for calling someone a "good man" :) |
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| 10:17.04 | eliast | what does +J mode??? |
| 10:17.08 | simonrvn | tamran: no, for tab completing badly |
| 10:17.20 | tamran | simonrvn: hehe |
| 10:17.24 | peterS | eliast: it's a big secret. not even http://www.freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml knows |
| 10:17.30 | shob | nvz: got it :) |
| 10:17.39 | bytewalker | peterS: hm ok, my card isnt listed on the support chipsets of the 'nv' driver |
| 10:17.44 | nvz | tamran: on those cds there are many different kernel packages binarys, sources, patches, and so on |
| 10:18.00 | simonrvn | eliast: i personally can't explain, because i hardly grok it myself. but simply it sets certain channel limits beyond what +l does |
| 10:18.01 | peterS | bytewalker: the new cards are only supported by XFree86 4.3.0 and higher. Debian stable comes with XFree86 4.1.0, and unstable still has 4.2.1. |
| 10:18.03 | nvz | s/binarys/binaries/ |
| 10:18.03 | bytewalker | peterS: im guessing 'nv' is for older cards, k i better find a newer one i guess |
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| 10:18.36 | bytewalker | peterS: how do i tells if my card is in that category? |
| 10:18.50 | peterS | bytewalker: http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.1/Status.html |
| 10:18.54 | simonrvn | bytewalker: if it works or not ;P |
| 10:18.56 | peterS | bytewalker: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 10:19.01 | peterS | bytewalker: compare the two (: |
| 10:19.12 | bytewalker | k |
| 10:19.35 | RainbowW | i wish i could speak css better :( |
| 10:19.56 | peterS | bytewalker: hmmm, never mind. the 4.3.0 status doc doesn't seem up to date for nvidia. |
| 10:19.58 | bob2 | RainbowW: you can get tapes that you listen to while you sleep. |
| 10:20.03 | peterS | bob2: heh |
| 10:20.29 | nvz | RainbowW: Cascading Style Sheets? |
| 10:20.29 | bytewalker | peterS: hm yea i cant find geforce fx 5200 anywhere in either |
| 10:20.32 | RainbowW | bob2: cute girl saying in a soft voice, "open bracket, background dash image colon ..." |
| 10:20.33 | bytewalker | any ideas/ |
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| 10:20.59 | RainbowW | nvz: yeah. |
| 10:20.59 | bob2 | RainbowW: oh yeah. |
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| 10:21.01 | bytewalker | does anyone here HAVe a newer geforce type card? |
| 10:21.06 | bytewalker | man i wish i went with radeon hehe |
| 10:21.07 | peterS | RainbowW: gee, when I last googled for 'css tutorial' I didn't get anything like that. |
| 10:21.17 | peterS | RainbowW: I feel cheated |
| 10:21.22 | aphex | hey I am getting kernel panic at boot, it tells me the append the correct root= option, it says it cannot mount the fs |
| 10:21.22 | justSCOaway | I have Red Hat 9 running OK, I have Mandrake 9.2 just running this week. These seem straight foward enough. I have been using Red Hat for say a month. I have wrecked it a couple of times. I would like to try Debian but is a longer aprenticeship required?? |
| 10:21.24 | nvz | RainbowW: goto Google and type in "Anthony CSS" and hit [I'm Feeling Lucky] |
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| 10:21.42 | simonrvn | heh, cute nick |
| 10:21.43 | bob2 | justSCOaway: do you know how to edit config files? |
| 10:21.56 | justSCOaway | bob2: yes |
| 10:21.57 | bob2 | aphex: you need to tell the kernel where to find /. |
| 10:21.57 | RainbowW | peters and nvz: i'm not -that- stupid. but sitting here looking at some of the tutorial stuff doesn't mean i don't still wish i was better at it. |
| 10:22.03 | bob2 | justSCOaway: then not very long at all. |
| 10:22.15 | peterS | RainbowW: sure |
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| 10:22.32 | aphex | bob2: I did under append I have append="root=/dev/hda1" |
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| 10:22.59 | shob | i'm getting this error when trying to compile 2.4.23 using make-kpkg.. depmod: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing |
| 10:23.00 | aphex | bob2: am I doing something wrong |
| 10:23.12 | bob2 | aphex: is that where / actually is? you built your own kernel? |
| 10:23.15 | bob2 | shob: on sid? |
| 10:23.20 | shob | bob2: yeah |
| 10:23.31 | aphex | bob2: no, it's actualy the kernel-image |
| 10:23.32 | simonrvn | shob: you probably don't have enough permissiongs to write to it. did you use fakeroot ? |
| 10:23.35 | nvz | RainbowW: that tutorial is not THAT HARD and its very well organized and colorcoded, if you cant figure it out, then just give up, dont wish for it because its not going to happen |
| 10:23.36 | RainbowW | shob: file perms? |
| 10:23.38 | bob2 | shob: so, I can safeul assume you've checked the BTS thoroughly? |
| 10:23.42 | aphex | bob2: kernel-image-2.4.18 |
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| 10:23.50 | simonrvn | -g |
| 10:23.55 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:24.10 | shob | bob2: yeah... |
| 10:24.25 | shob | simonrvn: fakeroot? no... i'm compiling as root |
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| 10:24.30 | peterS | nvz: harsh words. I get the feeling RainbowW has already read tutorials and is idly wishing she knew more of the advanced stuff |
| 10:24.44 | shob | RainbowW: the lib/modules/extra directory doesn't exist once it exits |
| 10:24.50 | simonrvn | shob: a) you shouldn't compile stuff as root b) apt-get install fakeroot |
| 10:25.46 | nvz | peterS: yeah well I read 500 or more books on C and C++ and I can read and understand the code, but cant program for shit.. but wishing isnt going to educate me on the thousands of programming libs and modules that extend the language |
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| 10:26.04 | RainbowW | shob: thou shalt not compile as root. compile as a user instead. |
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| 10:26.10 | peterS | nvz: very true |
| 10:26.16 | RainbowW | peters: i learned a long time ago not to take twits like nvz very seriously. |
| 10:26.17 | aphex | nvz: you read 500 books on C and C++? |
| 10:26.32 | peterS | RainbowW: heh. nothing wrong with nvz, actually, he's just kind of direct |
| 10:26.42 | nvz | aphex: not entierly alot of them were junk.. |
| 10:26.44 | justSCOaway | bob2: I was planning to by a book I could take to the loo, I downloaded "The Linux Cookbook" and have been reading up on areas that were vague or where I had no clues. I da know but Debian seems like it will like me after getting the hang of it. I am not into bloat if it does not need to be there. |
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| 10:26.47 | simonrvn | direct what? j/k |
| 10:26.56 | aphex | nvz: damn |
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| 10:26.57 | Franzouille | Hi all I have problem with xine after a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, I starts but quits directly.. does anybody have the same problem? |
| 10:27.01 | peterS | RainbowW: speak to him only in French for awhile, that kind of gets him going (: |
| 10:27.14 | aphex | anybody has any input on my kernel panic problem |
| 10:27.14 | RainbowW | peters: i don't speak french. |
| 10:27.19 | shob | RainbowW, simonrvn: thx.. i'll try again as user.. and see if it persists... |
| 10:27.26 | simonrvn | allo, comment ça va? |
| 10:27.28 | peterS | RainbowW: neither does he, it seems (: |
| 10:27.32 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 10:27.36 | nvz | aphex: SAMS books that claim to teach you how to program various languages in 24 one hour lessons are junk |
| 10:27.37 | sword- | any fbsd fans here btw? |
| 10:27.47 | simonrvn | moi je parle francais tres bien :) |
| 10:27.49 | aphex | nvz: heh no shit |
| 10:27.55 | RainbowW | shob: you'll need to do something like chown -R user.grp /path/to/source/tree to make sure your user has permissions, but there's no reason why you should not do that |
| 10:28.08 | peterS | simonrvn: your utf-8 is very annoying to those of us who still sit in the dark ages of iso-8859-* (: |
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| 10:28.30 | justSCOaway | aphex: I found the nicest way to learn ANSI C was to use CVI. C for virtual instruments and they are supposed to have a linux version soon. Its a really cool deal |
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| 10:28.34 | sword- | justSCOaway: irc.bookwarez.net |
| 10:28.38 | simonrvn | peterS: that's why i didn't accent the c, and the e` |
| 10:28.41 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 10:28.49 | zig | Franzouille: xine do not work more for me too |
| 10:28.54 | sword- | i've been meaning to read 'unix shells by example' |
| 10:29.02 | aphex | justSCOaway: how much? |
| 10:29.02 | peterS | simonrvn: tu as raison |
| 10:29.04 | sword- | i'm wanting to get more into programming |
| 10:29.06 | zig | dxr3_scr: Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0 (Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type) |
| 10:29.06 | zig | video_out_syncfb: aborting. (unable to open syncfb device "/dev/syncfb") |
| 10:29.06 | zig | xine: relocation error: xine: undefined symbol: xine_osd_get_capabilities |
| 10:29.10 | sword- | i know basic C and perl |
| 10:29.14 | Franzouille | zig what error do you get? |
| 10:29.16 | nvz | aphex: I read their book on JAVA 2, seven times cover to cover, and still couldnt program JAVA 2, kept wondering to myself when the would explain why I should always static void main() and what the hell it meant. |
| 10:29.19 | sword- | any books anyone suggest me? |
| 10:29.25 | Franzouille | zig something with your fonts? |
| 10:29.25 | sword- | any suggestions rather |
| 10:29.43 | zig | i didnt look at all :) |
| 10:29.49 | Franzouille | erm |
| 10:29.50 | Franzouille | :-) |
| 10:29.54 | zig | I dont care |
| 10:30.00 | bytewalker | ok #nvidia is dead, anyone know if x 4.2.1 supports geforce fx 5200's? |
| 10:30.01 | Franzouille | I do |
| 10:30.02 | JB318 | Hi all. Just copied contents of Debian binary CDs to a new partition (dists/woody and pool/ to be more precise). Each CD got its own directory. How do I combine them into one local repository? |
| 10:30.07 | aphex | nvz: I think you just have to sit there and keep coding, it's by trial and error that you learn |
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| 10:30.26 | nvz | aphex: the book was nothing more than examples. |
| 10:30.40 | aphex | goddamn it, someone help me with my kernel panic problem |
| 10:30.42 | zig | my fonts ? control device /dev/em8300-0 ? |
| 10:30.48 | nvz | I am more of a language lawyer.. |
| 10:30.53 | zig | i dont think si |
| 10:31.06 | aphex | nvz: I would recommne the C++ primer or Java primer |
| 10:31.13 | aphex | nvz: very good books |
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| 10:31.20 | nvz | you cant learn to speak english by reading shakespear |
| 10:31.31 | Franzouille | bytewalker what do you mean with x 4.23.1? |
| 10:31.33 | Franzouille | ops |
| 10:31.45 | bob2 | justSCOaway: /msg dpkg htod |
| 10:31.47 | sword- | hey what are some good books to learn C with? |
| 10:31.58 | aphex | damn this kernel buisness |
| 10:32.03 | sword- | i already have a real copy of the K&R book |
| 10:32.04 | nvz | so what the hell makes those idiots think you can learn to program by example if you dont know how to program |
| 10:32.06 | bytewalker | soemone said i that some cards only work with 4.3.0 |
| 10:32.11 | bytewalker | i donno if mine is one of those or not |
| 10:32.40 | Franzouille | you mean xfree 4.3.0? |
| 10:32.46 | nvz | aphex: have you compiled in support for the root fs? |
| 10:32.50 | aphex | nvz: ofcourse you can learn by example, the thing is you can't learn how to code just by looking at examples, you need to actually code |
| 10:32.50 | bytewalker | uh, yes? |
| 10:32.54 | bob2 | JB318: run "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages" in the common root of all the CD dirs. then point apt at that file by whateever method you like. |
| 10:32.57 | bytewalker | yes |
| 10:33.02 | bytewalker | what else would i mean |
| 10:33.08 | Franzouille | dunno |
| 10:33.11 | Franzouille | just being sure |
| 10:33.12 | aphex | nvz: it's the kernel-image |
| 10:33.18 | Franzouille | just wanted to be sure |
| 10:33.24 | Franzouille | the answer is yes |
| 10:33.30 | sword- | aphex, any ideas ? |
| 10:33.32 | aphex | nvz: just did apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18 |
| 10:33.32 | nvz | aphex: how do you code without the part that explains it.. the point is those books require prerequsites that are never mentioned |
| 10:33.47 | nvz | even the for dummies books tell you what you need |
| 10:33.51 | JB318 | bob2: OK, will check that out |
| 10:33.55 | aphex | nvz: that is true |
| 10:33.58 | Franzouille | I use the geforce 5200 since 6-7 months and It already worked |
| 10:34.02 | justSCOaway | aphex: I got it from work but its an instrument specialty C. You slap components on the screen then code builder builds the code. You then add call backs and stuff and can use a function generator panel. you already know what to do but the how is the missing bit. Once you can play with the panels you get a handle of the functions and sorta gain experience on the job. www.ni.com should get you a 60 day download and then you know the d |
| 10:34.03 | aphex | sword-: any ideas on what |
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| 10:34.19 | nvz | aphex: and what filesystem is on the root partition? |
| 10:34.39 | aphex | nvz: ext2, or whatever it's called |
| 10:34.41 | bytewalker | Franzouille: omg you got it working?? hehe |
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| 10:34.55 | bytewalker | Franzouille did you just use the nv driver or what? |
| 10:35.09 | Franzouille | no I used the nvidia module |
| 10:35.12 | aphex | justSCOaway: wow that is pretty cool, and you say they have a linux version |
| 10:35.15 | rahul | justSCOaway: pshaw. |
| 10:35.23 | nvz | aphex: did you edit your lilo config and run lilo like instructed by the post-install config? |
| 10:35.24 | rahul | justSCOaway: I did something like that using VB :) |
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| 10:35.26 | justSCOaway | aphex: CVI trial |
| 10:35.36 | Franzouille | couldn't get it working with "nv" bytewalker |
| 10:35.52 | rahul | justSCOaway: specifically for testing fiber optic trans-impedance aplifiers, but still :) |
| 10:36.00 | aphex | nvz: yes, and when I rebooted it keeps giving me kernel panic, and telling me I should append root= |
| 10:36.14 | bytewalker | Franzouille what drivers did you use? |
| 10:36.33 | rahul | actually, it would detect what's on the bus and let you choose which measurements you wanted based on that and which ranges of which inputs you wanted to test |
| 10:36.34 | aphex | nvz: so I did, append="root=/dev/hda1" |
| 10:36.40 | justSCOaway | rahul: yes we use Component Works and the other one is Softwire in VB www.softwire.com |
| 10:36.45 | sword- | aphex, sorry i was asking if you had any suggestions on any books to use to learn C with |
| 10:36.52 | sword- | and computer hardware/architectures |
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| 10:37.03 | rahul | justSCOaway: I used the NI-488.2 API directly |
| 10:37.05 | aphex | sword-: for C I would go with the C primer |
| 10:37.10 | nvz | aphex: if it boots like that then it is certainly a bootloader problem |
| 10:37.14 | aphex | sword-: the best book ever writen |
| 10:37.18 | bytewalker | Franzouille did you use ones from the nvidia site? |
| 10:37.28 | aphex | nvz: any ideas on how to fix it |
| 10:37.32 | rahul | bytewalker: they're in debian. |
| 10:37.43 | rahul | bytewalker: apt-cache search nvidia. read the debian users' guide. |
| 10:37.55 | sword- | thanks |
| 10:37.58 | Franzouille | bytewalker there are 2 ways to install this nvidia module, the first one is /msg dpkg nvidia and the second one is by compiling your own kernel and building the module with the nvidia installer from the website |
| 10:37.59 | rahul | I recommend aptitude for browsing packages. |
| 10:38.00 | bytewalker | rahul; duh don't patronize me |
| 10:38.01 | Active2 | the security team of debian has not much to do... only fixes in games :P |
| 10:38.05 | bytewalker | rahul i tried those ones before i couldnt get them to work |
| 10:38.07 | Active2 | the last time |
| 10:38.08 | nvz | aphex: well if that command line fixes the problem, then maybe you just need to edit the config and set the root= param and reinstall the bootloader |
| 10:38.11 | justSCOaway | sword-: if you can get a copy of CVI its a cool way to start as you get deeper into it as you go |
| 10:38.24 | aphex | nvz: let me try that |
| 10:38.34 | rahul | bytewalker: they just download the drivers from nvidia's site and provide scripts to make them work properly in debian |
| 10:38.51 | sword- | CVI? |
| 10:38.56 | Franzouille | bytewalker using apt to install the nvidia drivers is I think easier, but I don't how it works |
| 10:39.04 | nvz | aphex: look and see if there is a root= line in your lilo.conf, and if it is correct and not commented |
| 10:39.08 | rahul | bytewalker: the code is identical, as we don't even have access to that |
| 10:39.13 | sword- | i thought my K&R book would suffice, but some of the code in the book doesn't compile |
| 10:39.21 | rahul | Franzouille: it works as the docs for the packages say it does |
| 10:39.32 | Franzouille | rahul cool then |
| 10:39.34 | peterS | rahul: due to license changes I believe debian unstable now packages the nvidia drivers directly (in non-free of course) as it is now legal to do so |
| 10:39.48 | rahul | peterS: you still have to compile the kernel module |
| 10:39.55 | rahul | as it's a kernel module :) |
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| 10:40.08 | peterS | rahul: right, but the download-directly-from-nvidia step is no longer there, is my point |
| 10:40.14 | justSCOaway | C for virtual instrumentation www.ni.com I love the text editor and various parts of this app. Linux version not yet available |
| 10:40.18 | rahul | peterS: yeah |
| 10:40.18 | Franzouille | how can you do that if you downloaded a kernel-image? |
| 10:40.34 | sword- | i'm just trying to take all this one day at a time |
| 10:40.42 | rahul | Franzouille: get the headers from the same place you got the image |
| 10:40.43 | sword- | so many aspects of computing that is interesting |
| 10:40.44 | sword- | heh |
| 10:40.45 | nvz | Franzouille: download the corresponding kernel-headers package and build the module |
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| 10:40.57 | aphex | nvz: yes I checked that before, root is set to root=/dev/hda1 and it works with the kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4, but then when I installed kerenel-image-2.4.18 it told me at bootup to append root= |
| 10:41.02 | bytewalker | peterS: how long ago did that change? |
| 10:41.09 | rahul | Franzouille: then point make-kpkg at them |
| 10:41.18 | peterS | bytewalker: I don't know. I don't follow such things, as I don't have an unsupported nvidia chip |
| 10:41.21 | aphex | nvz: so under append I have now append="root=/dev/hda1" |
| 10:41.31 | bytewalker | haha |
| 10:41.34 | Franzouille | nvz rahul and ln -s kernel-headers linux? |
| 10:41.39 | rahul | Franzouille: no |
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| 10:41.52 | rahul | Franzouille: man make-kpkg (install kernel-package) |
| 10:41.53 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 10:42.08 | nvz | aphex: it should be just root=, as described in the manpage |
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| 10:42.31 | Franzouille | ok |
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| 10:42.50 | aphex | nvz: root= under append |
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| 10:43.35 | roy4lty | ive never used linux before and im going to try to install with floppy disks. im on dialup for the time being, so is the floppy boot route as troublesome as ive heard? |
| 10:43.37 | nvz | aphex: man lilo.donf, there is an example at the top of the manpage |
| 10:43.45 | AntiProxy | recently, i noticed man and info are returning the same pages on my sid box.. no matter what i try, they both return exact copies of documentation.. while back in the days, man returned command line syntax and other details, and info returned more in-depth information and configuration examples.. for instance man grub, and info grub... |
| 10:43.52 | nvz | aphex: lilo.conf even |
| 10:43.57 | AntiProxy | any idea what's going on here? this is driving me nuts .( |
| 10:44.11 | peterS | AntiProxy: info falls back on manpages when it can't find something directly |
| 10:44.12 | bytewalker | roy4lty lol man that is gonna be tough |
| 10:44.22 | Hannes90 | does any1 know how to except an invitation? |
| 10:44.22 | peterS | AntiProxy: if you run 'info' with no args, you can navigate to the real info pages |
| 10:44.36 | peterS | Hannes90: on irc? just /join |
| 10:44.38 | AntiProxy | peterS: well i thought so, but how come none of the packages now have info pages? i know grub always did |
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| 10:44.47 | Hannes90 | o.k...thx |
| 10:44.49 | roy4lty | bytewalker: is there any other way i could install using dialup? |
| 10:45.06 | peterS | AntiProxy: I'm saying, perhaps info is just not finding the info pages. in which case you can navigate to them by typing 'info' with no args |
| 10:45.25 | AntiProxy | ah, sorry |
| 10:45.26 | bytewalker | roy4lty no idea, i cant imagine using debian without highspeed though |
| 10:45.36 | bytewalker | ive only done if from the woody cd |
| 10:45.40 | Hannes90 | exit |
| 10:45.45 | aphex | nvz: the example is root=/dev/hda1 |
| 10:45.48 | Hannes90 | doh! |
| 10:45.53 | AntiProxy | well that sure doesn't look right.. info shows about 6-10 documents only |
| 10:46.13 | peterS | AntiProxy: apparently the index isn't being generated correctly. bug on your system |
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| 10:46.48 | nvz | aphex: right, and append is to append the kernel's command line.. for doing things like turning off apm, or tweaking framebuffer at boot, things that were set at compile time that you need to change |
| 10:46.57 | AntiProxy | peterS: is there a way to force rebuilding the info pages index? something like mandb |
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| 10:47.28 | peterS | AntiProxy: I'm not very knowledgeable about info. so I'm not sure |
| 10:47.28 | aphex | nvz: need to reboot be right back |
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| 10:47.48 | nvz | .. and its the same thing as just typing commands at lilo, which he seemed to be bitching about |
| 10:47.48 | AntiProxy | well thanks for the help and time peterS.. i'll keep looking |
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| 10:48.15 | justSCOaway | rahul: The big 4 Visual C++, Borland, Symantec and watcom all do their import libs differently. So CVI is installed towards ones default compiler and then the various libraries can be used in your favourite general purpose tool which is also slick |
| 10:48.55 | ceip | anyone know good IM programs for linux capable of using MSN messenger? (yeah i know MSN sucks but my friends use it.) |
| 10:49.01 | peterS | justSCOaway: the big 4? hasn't MSVC kill the others by now? |
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| 10:49.15 | peterS | justSCOaway: I could have sworn I'd heard that Watcom went under, or something |
| 10:49.25 | simon_ | how would i find out whether upgrading glibc is going to break anything. Is it fairly safe to assume it is backward compatible? |
| 10:49.29 | justSCOaway | peterS: yes they have |
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| 10:49.32 | rahul | watcom. now that's a name I haven't heard in ages. |
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| 10:49.38 | rich_ | Hello |
| 10:49.45 | peterS | rahul: said to be the best compiler vendor for x86, back in the day |
| 10:49.51 | shob | ceip: gaim |
| 10:49.51 | rahul | peterS: yep |
| 10:49.55 | nvz | If I have a Router with NAT would I need to forward ports to use something like xmule or gift? |
| 10:50.09 | peterS | rahul: like metrowerks for ppc |
| 10:50.14 | rahul | yeah |
| 10:50.16 | justSCOaway | rahul: I got lots of watcom and use it for games |
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| 10:50.29 | ceip | shob: thanks |
| 10:50.48 | nvz | LimeWire and Kazaa both slip through this thing, but all others seem to have a hell of a time getting or staying connected |
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| 10:51.50 | rahul | nvz: openft is just kazaa's old protocol |
| 10:52.07 | sword- | anyone in here heard about the open C project? |
| 10:52.07 | rahul | gift isn't a protocol, it's a multi-protocol app |
| 10:52.24 | rahul | sword-: that gcc thing? |
| 10:52.31 | fflush | ceip: gaim current |
| 10:52.40 | sword- | let me find hte site |
| 10:52.46 | nvz | I am going to reenable my rules to block kazaa and its add servers |
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| 10:53.04 | sword- | http://opencbp.sourceforge.net/book/book.html |
| 10:53.04 | shob | ok.. i tried the 2.4.23 compile again, as user (checked file perms and everything), using fakeroot.. still getting the same depmod error |
| 10:53.42 | redguard | did anyone try out apache + mod_perl in sarge? I am getting segmentation violation. |
| 10:54.17 | shob | depmod: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing .... the modules/extra directory doesn't exist |
| 10:54.28 | nvz | I got my one cousin here who is about to be perminatly banned from all PCs on the network. but for now just struggling with getting him to avoid doing what I have outlined as our 'Dumb Shit to Do on Interconnected-Networks' policy |
| 10:55.20 | justSCOaway | I have the first woody R1 cd and its burned. How many others will I need for building a nice little workstation? |
| 10:55.32 | peterS | shob: you could always do 'fakeroot mkdir -p /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra' before starting. that might work around your problem |
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| 10:56.23 | bytewalker | justSCOaway just do the minimum install from the cd then apt-get whatever else you need |
| 10:56.58 | aphex | nvz: apperantly I do not know what the correct root= option I need to append |
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| 10:56.59 | bob2 | redguard: rtfbts. |
| 10:56.59 | shob | peterS: k.. trying that now.. *sigh* kernel compiles so slow! |
| 10:56.59 | bob2 | redguard: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 10:57.02 | bob2 | redguard: known problem. |
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| 10:57.10 | bob2 | justSCOaway: depends how much you're willing to download off the 'net. |
| 10:57.23 | justSCOaway | bytewalker: how many MB for the R2 upgrade? |
| 10:57.24 | nvz | aphex: df |
| 10:57.35 | aphex | nvz: df? |
| 10:57.41 | nvz | aphex: yeap |
| 10:57.53 | aphex | nvz: what is df |
| 10:58.46 | nvz | aphex: the simplest 3 keystrokes to determine the rootfs device as any user |
| 10:59.12 | bytewalker | justSCOaway R2 upgrade? i donno, once you get the base system forget all that just use apt-get (assuming u have high speed net to download all the stuff) |
| 10:59.13 | aphex | nvz: filesystem dev/hda1 mounted on / |
| 10:59.22 | nvz | requires the ability to read and understand information in a separated list format |
| 10:59.49 | fflush | what the name of that tiny editor that has vi emacs nano editing modes, i think it is w3 do anyone recall the name? |
| 10:59.55 | justSCOaway | bob2: I am downloading 4 CDs on 4 machines over 1.5 meg bps |
| 11:00.21 | aphex | heh linux is so frustrating |
| 11:00.49 | justSCOaway | aphex: I am using windows for that |
| 11:01.05 | aphex | justSCOaway: shit, might as well |
| 11:01.05 | nvz | aphex: here is a wild idea.. either use the kernel you have that works.. should never change kernels if it works and you dont have a damn good reason -OR- get a real kernel |
| 11:01.05 | RainbowW | aphex: less frustrating than trying to do a background in css. |
| 11:02.31 | justSCOaway | nvz: whats a real kernel? |
| 11:02.35 | aphex | nvz: yes master, I still have the old kernel image that works, how do you think I use bitchx, but I am trying to fix this so no need to get all frustrated with me, just tell me to leave you alone and I will |
| 11:03.09 | nvz | justSCOaway: not kernel-image-2.4.18, I mean seriously. do you find that to be a good choice in kernel for a random kernel upgrade? |
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| 11:03.23 | redguard | bob2, thanks for the hint |
| 11:03.49 | nvz | aphex: what are you trying to get out of this new kernel installation? |
| 11:03.50 | bob2 | redguard: getting mod_perl from sid is probably the easiest solution, iirc. |
| 11:03.53 | rahul | justSCOaway: uh, why not use apt-proxy? |
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| 11:04.19 | simonrvn | @QOTD2 is <reply>[speaking of df to a newbie:] <nvz> requires the ability to read and understand information in a separated list format |
| 11:04.20 | ravenbird | ...but qotd2 is already something else... |
| 11:04.24 | simonrvn | @no QOTD2 is <reply>[speaking of df to a newbie:] <nvz> requires the ability to read and understand information in a separated list format |
| 11:04.25 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 11:04.29 | aphex | nvz: heh sorry your leetnes, when I am as leet as you I shal install a new kernel for now I install kerenl-image since I am not so so so so leet |
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| 11:04.59 | simonrvn | @qotd |
| 11:04.59 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd is < *greycat> being without windows is like being without AIDS |
| 11:05.02 | aphex | ahhhh this is what I missed about the debian community |
| 11:05.18 | aphex | you ask a question and they call you a battery licker, I love it |
| 11:05.20 | nvz | aphex: you arent listening, if you need a new kernel you have to have a reason |
| 11:05.32 | simonrvn | aphex: eh? |
| 11:05.49 | simonrvn | i've never seen 'battery licker' in here mentioned, no |
| 11:06.12 | aphex | nevermind |
| 11:06.21 | RainbowW | nvz: how about all 2.4 kernels have a remotely exploitable hole prior to 2.4.23, and there is -no-packaged-version-?. closing a remotely exploitable hole is a good reason to need a new kernel. |
| 11:06.33 | redguard | bob2, would you recommend upgrading to "sid"? I am using this box as a development machine. |
| 11:06.51 | justSCOaway | nvz; i dont know yet. I have done red hat security updates and left it at that. My reason for wanting to use debian is to allow me the choice of what to install and I am not into all the crap and like simple plain logical stuff that keeps on working |
| 11:06.53 | nvz | RainbowW: yeah well I was thinking that too.. but thats in the channel topic |
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| 11:07.04 | simonrvn | RainbowW: if you had bothered to check recntly, .23 is in sid as of last week (?) or so |
| 11:07.37 | nvz | justSCOaway: meh? |
| 11:07.44 | rahul | if you had bothered to check at all, the fix is in stable's updates |
| 11:07.45 | bob2 | redguard: can you handle fixing it when it breaks very occasionally? |
| 11:07.51 | peterS | RainbowW: no packaged version? the 2.4.18 packages in debian stable are patched for the known holes in .22 |
| 11:07.54 | varsis | does anyone happen to know of a undelete utility that "undeletes" files which have had the chattr 'u' flag set. I've been looking for quite awhile and haven't come across anything, it'd be a bit hard to belive that there is an implementation of such a seemly useful concept which isn't being utilized. |
| 11:07.58 | aphex | justSCOaway: debian is perfect because it does not install all the crap, my install was 250 megs, not like red hat or mandrake wher it installs like 4 gigs |
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| 11:08.11 | rahul | aphex: that's a big install :) |
| 11:08.12 | RainbowW | simonrv: no i haven't bothered because i do my own, customized to my own box. |
| 11:08.13 | simonrvn | RainbowW: it's called reading changelogs |
| 11:08.20 | rahul | my router's is like 100MB |
| 11:08.21 | aphex | rahul: heheh I guess |
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| 11:08.30 | redguard | bob2, in that case, I am going to stick around with "sarge" then :-) |
| 11:08.42 | rahul | redguard: testing should be fine for development |
| 11:08.45 | simonrvn | rahul: ~250 MB with x packages |
| 11:08.53 | rahul | redguard: unstable is more for development of debian itself |
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| 11:08.59 | peterS | nice to know 2.4.23 has hit sid, anyway. I build my own kernels too, but it's still nice to know |
| 11:09.02 | aphex | ya with X is about 250 |
| 11:09.04 | rahul | simonrvn: pfft. X. |
| 11:09.12 | redguard | rahul, thanks for the input. |
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| 11:09.16 | simonrvn | rahul: heh |
| 11:09.21 | jordi | hi, how can i run again debconf ? i've found more accurate information about my system configuration and i want the X-server to use it |
| 11:09.22 | ChAmAeLeoN | hya everybody |
| 11:09.22 | rahul | you wanna see X? |
| 11:09.46 | rahul | Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 11:09.51 | justSCOaway | aphex: when I installed red hat 9 coming from windows background I though "instant bloat" but at least it does not look like a Fisher price toy |
| 11:09.54 | rahul | 4.7G 2.5G 2.2G 54% /usr |
| 11:10.01 | ChAmAeLeoN | hmm say, anybody knows of good p2p for gnu/linux apart from limewire and xmule? |
| 11:10.02 | quaqo | Hi! |
| 11:10.02 | nvz | my system is usually about 900mb installed.. its about 250 right now, but I have /usr/share, and /usr/lib on separate partitions |
| 11:10.17 | nighter | jordi: try dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 11:10.17 | aphex | justSCOaway: ahhhh red hat, the Micoro$oft of linux |
| 11:10.23 | rahul | ppp is a good point-to-point protocol |
| 11:10.26 | Maulkin | ChAmAeLeoN: nicotine |
| 11:10.29 | simonrvn | /dev/sdc6 /usr 5110.0 4343.1 766.9 85% xfs |
| 11:10.33 | ChAmAeLeoN | aphex, well right |
| 11:10.43 | varsis | i'll take it that no-one knows |
| 11:10.43 | jordi | nighter : thks a lot ¡¡ |
| 11:10.46 | redguard | jordi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:10.55 | rahul | /dev/scsi/host0/bu /usr 4763.3 2527.1 2236.2 53% xfs |
| 11:10.58 | aphex | it would be nice if I knew how to spell microsoft |
| 11:10.58 | rahul | I can use di, too! |
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| 11:11.26 | simonrvn | rahul: you zoof |
| 11:11.34 | nvz | omg you are using devfs |
| 11:11.34 | rich_ | aphex Its spelled just the way it sounds... tiny-limp :) |
| 11:11.35 | rahul | justSCOaway: try installing XP + office XP and see how much bloat that is |
| 11:11.43 | thomas_adam | yawn |
| 11:11.45 | simonrvn | nvz: you noticed too eh |
| 11:11.54 | rahul | justSCOaway: and then consider that redhat probably installed a lot more than what just XP+XP has |
| 11:12.00 | rahul | simonrvn: you fooz |
| 11:12.01 | aphex | rich_: yes I am German so english is not my cup of tea |
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| 11:12.08 | simonrvn | rahul: you kawfee |
| 11:12.12 | peterS | thomas_adam: long time no see |
| 11:12.16 | aphex | rich_:especially spelling |
| 11:12.23 | rahul | aphex: tea isn't a very German drink, you're right. :) |
| 11:12.26 | justSCOaway | aphex: yes I saw my 52 speed, 52 speeding for a longtime over 3 CDs and said to myself, luck disk space is not an issue |
| 11:12.29 | simonrvn | @wb thomas_adam |
| 11:12.30 | ravenbird | Welcome back thomas_adam, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 11:12.32 | thomas_adam | peterS: Hello. :) Been busy -- University assignments. |
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| 11:12.36 | rich_ | aphex mmmm german. I hear your civil service is switching to linux. Very exciteing |
| 11:12.40 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: thanks. |
| 11:12.44 | cyberyo | io |
| 11:12.48 | simonrvn | oi |
| 11:12.57 | rahul | eieio |
| 11:13.08 | aphex | rich_: yes it is very cool that they have decided that |
| 11:13.11 | peterS | rahul: you know powerpc assembly language? |
| 11:13.11 | rahul | !eieio |
| 11:13.14 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, hi, which network is it client to? |
| 11:13.14 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, any others? |
| 11:13.14 | ChAmAeLeoN | :) |
| 11:13.14 | simonrvn | o~ old macdonald had a fram... |
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| 11:13.19 | justSCOaway | rahul: yes Id say so it put in lots |
| 11:13.20 | nvz | devfs had to stem from something BSD related |
| 11:13.22 | rahul | peterS: not much, but enough :) |
| 11:13.28 | thomas_adam | fram? |
| 11:13.33 | rich_ | aphex The linux desktop is ready. Especially debian. |
| 11:13.41 | peterS | rahul: I wonder who at IBM came up with the mnemonic for the 'eieio' instruction |
| 11:13.52 | aphex | rich_: heh I would not go as far as that |
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| 11:14.00 | thomas_adam | rich_: Depends on your needs. |
| 11:14.04 | rahul | peterS: oh, there was probably a committee |
| 11:14.18 | thomas_adam | rich_: "desktop" implies GUI -- personally, I prefer the console. |
| 11:14.18 | rich_ | aphex Well its really a question of background. |
| 11:14.24 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, sorry got disconnected, do you know of any others? |
| 11:14.26 | ceip | rich_ : I really disagree with that. |
| 11:14.26 | peterS | rahul: some sort of I/O barrier instruction, isn't it? |
| 11:14.31 | simonrvn | at least they're all the same length *nudgenudge* |
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| 11:14.36 | rahul | peterS: something to do with flushing caches |
| 11:14.39 | Maulkin | ChAmAeLeoN: SoulSeek. Do an apt-cache search. |
| 11:14.41 | peterS | rahul: right |
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| 11:14.43 | rahul | peterS: yeah, with IO |
| 11:14.53 | aphex | rich_: linux is the os to use but for people with a windows background even kde or gnome could be greek in some areas |
| 11:14.58 | ChAmAeLeoN | a soulseek client? wow! |
| 11:15.04 | rahul | peterS: flushes all caches that are mapped to IO devices? |
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| 11:15.15 | bytewalker | what package do i need for kde to automatically detect when i add new programs and add them to the K menu? (they show up in the lil 'debian' folder in each submenu) |
| 11:15.21 | nvz | I prefer console too, but since my monitor doesnt like the lowres console, and my video card doesnt like the frambuffer, I just run X and make it look alot like a console |
| 11:15.26 | rich_ | thomas_adam I think it depends on ability. For someone like myself who never was able to use windows, linux isnt just the best choice its the only choice. Of course theres others I havent tried like macos and amiga, etc, but its the only choice I know of. |
| 11:15.35 | peterS | rahul: I honestly don't remember. I've got IBM's "The PowerPC Architecture" sitting on a bookshelf somewhere, but not within arm's reach (: |
| 11:16.07 | aphex | well anyway as nvz said "go get a f'in real kernel", I am gonna go compile the kernel and all the nice stuff |
| 11:16.10 | rich_ | aphex Ive always used fvwm. And I really think that anyone can learn it very quickly |
| 11:16.22 | peterS | simonrvn: hey! |
| 11:16.23 | thomas_adam | rich_: I'm an FVWM developer. |
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| 11:16.33 | simonrvn | peterS: teehee |
| 11:16.38 | aphex | rich_: I personally prefer fluxbox |
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| 11:16.52 | nvz | aphex: thats a good idea if you know what you want out of a kernel you could make yourself a kernel-image-2.6.0 with all kinds of goodies |
| 11:16.53 | Mr_butler | hi |
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| 11:17.06 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: Tea, milk, no sugar. Thanks. |
| 11:17.09 | simonrvn | hahaha |
| 11:17.10 | rich_ | thomas_adam cool. Thanks. Its very nice. Very plain, invisible. Thats what I like about it, its invisible. |
| 11:17.12 | bytewalker | anyone know the debian menu updated i speak of? |
| 11:17.17 | bytewalker | *updater |
| 11:17.21 | thomas_adam | rich_: and lightweight. |
| 11:17.23 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, thanks so much |
| 11:17.25 | simonrvn | bytewalker: just run the kde menu thingy |
| 11:17.27 | aphex | nvz: yes maybe I'll do that, and maybe just maybe someday I will be as leet as you are |
| 11:17.27 | thomas_adam | rich_: low memory footprint. |
| 11:17.38 | tam9 | peterS: what bug? |
| 11:17.42 | rahul | peterS: I learned that mnemonic by browsing that book at a computer store |
| 11:17.43 | justSCOaway | I just ran deb CD #1 and did a two partition install, this black screen is clean and cool. |
| 11:17.44 | Mr_butler | thomas_adam; today is my day off |
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| 11:17.54 | peterS | tam9: simonrvn just used DCC to grab a book off my shelf and run away with it. irssi should not have let him do that |
| 11:17.54 | nvz | aphex: I doubt it.. I am from Leetsdale as a matter of fact |
| 11:17.55 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: aww :( |
| 11:17.56 | justSCOaway | its doing its deal now |
| 11:18.09 | aphex | justSCOaway: what kind of connection do you have |
| 11:18.09 | tam9 | peterS: ahhh :) |
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| 11:18.14 | rich_ | thomas_adam Thats nice to know, but theres others that are supposed to be liter. Ive tried others but it seems like the smaller ones always sacrice features that I really like. |
| 11:18.17 | aphex | nvz: I am crossing my fingers man |
| 11:18.24 | justSCOaway | I just apted the CD |
| 11:18.27 | rich_ | sacrifice |
| 11:18.27 | bytewalker | simonrvn : there was this thing i had before that automatically added stuff to the menu wheni apt-getted it |
| 11:18.33 | tam9 | that is against copyrights! simonrvnyou should be sued! :-P |
| 11:18.37 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, but do you know of a kazaa client? |
| 11:18.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:18.42 | justSCOaway | or whatever you call it |
| 11:18.52 | justSCOaway | shes away |
| 11:18.57 | tam9 | ~kazaa |
| 11:18.58 | | [kazaa] a file sharing system that uses the FastTrack Protocol. Except that it doesn't use the FastTrack protocol any more, because the FastTrack protocol changed. Also full of spyware. |
| 11:19.02 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: gift with the ft module. read the docs that come with it. |
| 11:19.05 | thomas_adam | rich_: I'm working on a shed load of documentation for it -- will probably appear in LG. It is *really* powerful, if you can get your head around the manpage :) |
| 11:19.10 | Mr_butler | Is it possible to do yahoo chatting in linux? |
| 11:19.17 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: yes |
| 11:19.26 | ChAmAeLeoN | gaim? |
| 11:19.26 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: if you have a java capable web browser |
| 11:19.27 | jordi | hi, i'm trying to reconfigure the x-window-system with dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system. i've done sudoing, but nothing happens, i guess that it happens because i'm running the x-window-system while i'm trying to reconfigure it, what should i do ? |
| 11:19.34 | aphex | ChAmAeLeoN: have you ever thought of using direct connect |
| 11:19.42 | thomas_adam | jordi: xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:19.43 | simonrvn | bytewalker: kappfinder (ugh, i hate non-kerberos prefixed k names for apps) |
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| 11:19.58 | ChAmAeLeoN | aphex, is there a client for gnu? |
| 11:20.04 | thomas_adam | jordi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:20.06 | bytewalker | simonrvn: hm crap it cant be that either cause i alrdy have that |
| 11:20.07 | Mr_butler | I am not talking about gaim and others... I downloaded a yahoo client for linux from their site. But it lacks a chat facility. Yopu can send instant messages though |
| 11:20.15 | Maulkin | ChAmAeLeoN: Don't know if you've looked at gnutella yet either. |
| 11:20.17 | bytewalker | it was a thing specifically for debian im prty sure |
| 11:20.18 | aphex | ChAmAeLeoN: ya it's called dcgui, it's ppretty sweet |
| 11:20.24 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, sorry, not shure to be following what your saying :) |
| 11:20.30 | aphex | ChAmAeLeoN: you can apt it |
| 11:20.38 | nvz | speaking of against copyrights, I am against people doing what Microsoft does, stops supporting old shitty software viruses, and thinks they can still hold copyrights and sell the shit for its original value forever |
| 11:20.43 | simonrvn | bytewalker: the menu editor? you could just run update-menus as a normal user, too |
| 11:20.44 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, gnutella's limewire, right? |
| 11:20.47 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: install giftd and giftcurs and read the docs |
| 11:20.50 | peterS | Mr_butler: not sure I follow. how is "chatting" different from "sending IMs"? |
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| 11:20.55 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: and gift |
| 11:21.10 | rahul | gift does ft, openft, and gnutella |
| 11:21.12 | Mr_butler | thomas_adam; I dont want to do it via web browser... takes too much bandwidth |
| 11:21.19 | aphex | nvz: I say, Micro$oft get rid of all the shitty legacy code that makes everything crash |
| 11:21.19 | bytewalker | simonrvn the thing i had did it all automatically ,hums, arg |
| 11:21.20 | nvz | Who the hell is going to buy 7 floppies of WFW 3.11 for $100? |
| 11:21.22 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: moan, moan :) |
| 11:21.29 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, is it gaim your searching? |
| 11:21.37 | Bangers | anyone have experience with pxegrub? |
| 11:22.03 | rahul | nvz: MS doesn't sell Win 3.x |
| 11:22.13 | rahul | nvz: they don't even sell 98 any more |
| 11:22.13 | Mr_butler | peterS; chatting like what we are doing now... public chat. Instant messages is like sending memos in IRC |
| 11:22.15 | rich_ | thomas_adam cool. The only thing it doesnt have that Id like would be a variable that would return the process id #. Like I use $c to return the window class name and I can then lower the nice level of that class, to speed it up, but it would be nice to do the same thing, and only lower the nice level of that one process instead of all windows with the same name. |
| 11:22.30 | nvz | rahul: well, a few years ago I still seen it on their site.. |
| 11:22.31 | thomas_adam | rich_: you can do it |
| 11:22.43 | lord_rob | In OOo calc, my decimal separator is ',' not '.' :( Is the problem OOo specific or or only a locales problem (M$ Excel pissed me off the same way earlier ...) ? |
| 11:22.49 | thomas_adam | rich_: are you running fvwm-2.8 |
| 11:22.55 | Mr_butler | ChAmAeLeoN; I did try gaim, but was unsuccesful in entering a chat room |
| 11:23.04 | rahul | nvz: do you really want win 3.x that badly that you care? |
| 11:23.13 | simonrvn | lord_rob: fix your locale |
| 11:23.14 | justSCOaway | nvs: I will have downloaded 5 deb cds in not much time from WAIX site and the MB are all free |
| 11:23.22 | bytewalker | win 3.x ? LOLZ) |
| 11:23.30 | thomas_adam | rich_: you can use the "Schedule" command via the shell to return the PID ($!) |
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| 11:23.42 | rich_ | thomas_adam 2.4.16-2 its sarge |
| 11:23.44 | nvz | rahul: I still have it in a backed up image somewhere |
| 11:23.51 | simonrvn | bytewalker: there's a setting to do that (auto menu updates) |
| 11:23.53 | thomas_adam | rich_: yeck. |
| 11:24.00 | thomas_adam | rich_: download and compile 2.5.8 |
| 11:24.05 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, oh i see |
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| 11:24.13 | rahul | I don't even use MS software for personal stuff even though I have extra licenses |
| 11:24.22 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, did you try googling it? :) |
| 11:24.26 | bytewalker | MS - teh sux0r |
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| 11:24.35 | rahul | I don't even use open source "office" shit either. |
| 11:24.39 | peterS | Mr_butler: ok. well, if yahoo's own buggy crappy java-based client doesn't have certain features, use gaim or whatever. there are quite a few yahoo chat clients in Linux, maybe you can get one of them to do what you want. 'apt-cache search yahoo' turns up 'centericq', 'freehoo', and 'gaim' |
| 11:24.40 | justSCOaway | I have a fish a debian fish and gnome |
| 11:24.43 | thomas_adam | ChAmAeLeoN: google? What's that? |
| 11:24.53 | rahul | the whole genre is despicable. |
| 11:25.12 | nvz | I loved the Win3.x days, I would go in to all the stores and goto dos and edit the progman.ini and disable everything |
| 11:25.15 | thomas_adam | nvz: sad. |
| 11:25.22 | tarzeau | nvz: i liked gwbasic |
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| 11:25.38 | Mr_butler | ChAmAeLeoN; yup i did |
| 11:25.39 | ChAmAeLeoN | thomas_adam, a very powerful tool that comes with every browser :) |
| 11:25.40 | tarzeau | 10 IF IDIOT GOTO 20 |
| 11:25.42 | nvz | tarzeau: I seen plenty of lame assed gwbasic pranks |
| 11:25.45 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 11:25.47 | lord_rob | simonrvn: how ? With dpkg-reconfigure locales, i can only choose fr-be (and everything else but this is what i want). How can I tweak my locales settings ? |
| 11:25.49 | tarzeau | 20 JOIN "#GENTOO" |
| 11:26.00 | thomas_adam | lord_rob: install your locale package |
| 11:26.05 | zig | kazaa lite |
| 11:26.06 | ChAmAeLeoN | thomas_adam, sometimes magic huh? |
| 11:26.12 | thomas_adam | lord_rob: apt-get install locale-XX |
| 11:26.12 | tarzeau | nvz: oh i learnt c some time and used bcc (but turbo pascal and some assembly before) |
| 11:26.22 | ChAmAeLeoN | zig, kazaa lite? |
| 11:26.22 | thomas_adam | ChAmAeLeoN: oh, too true. |
| 11:26.23 | bytewalker | i loved the qbasic dayz, i wrote an elite virus that displayed "Kurt Cobain owns you all" and put it on the computers at staples |
| 11:26.26 | zig | srry |
| 11:26.31 | justSCOaway | my debian fish is dead and it looks cute |
| 11:26.33 | rich_ | thomas_adam Its that much better? Maybe I should make a backport of the version thats in sid? Im a little nervous about going outside the debian package system for such a critical component |
| 11:26.38 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, and? |
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| 11:26.43 | tarzeau | justSCOaway: and you had to manually install it everywhere? |
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| 11:26.51 | tarzeau | justSCOaway: try bubblefishymon |
| 11:26.57 | wuhuu | Howto setup xprt ? |
| 11:27.10 | thomas_adam | rich_: It's not *critical*. If I ever compile things, I do so via "stow". Try www.backports.org if you like.... |
| 11:27.26 | Mr_butler | peterS; freehoo is used for IM. not general chat. Both are different |
| 11:27.37 | nvz | I just wrote some routines for joystick calibration in qbasic the other day.. used it to map out the functions of my USB axis pad and figure out why it seems to drift to one side |
| 11:27.42 | justSCOaway | tarzeau: no I went down a list and + or - |
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| 11:28.06 | ChAmAeLeoN | Maulkin, rahul, aphex, do you know of good places in irc for music? |
| 11:28.10 | Mr_butler | ChAmAeLeoN; I got gaim, blah,blah,blah.... All support IM but none have good public chatting |
| 11:28.21 | tarzeau | ChAmAeLeoN: what sort of music? |
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| 11:28.34 | ChAmAeLeoN | tarzeau, hmm loadsa stuff |
| 11:28.36 | thomas_adam | ChAmAeLeoN: #music |
| 11:28.36 | tarzeau | ChAmAeLeoN: #gift or #demoscene maybe #arabeyes |
| 11:28.39 | rahul | #lisp is good for classical music |
| 11:28.42 | cafuego | wooo, hylafax is working! |
| 11:29.00 | rahul | at least, better than you'd expect out of a computing channel. |
| 11:29.00 | tarzeau | cafuego: with isdn? |
| 11:29.00 | ChAmAeLeoN | thomas_adam, which server? |
| 11:29.00 | InitMass | is it anything special that i need to include in the 2.6 kernel to be able to run apache? |
| 11:29.17 | ChAmAeLeoN | tarzeau, guess you call it "indie" |
| 11:29.31 | peterS | InitMass: nothing I can think of, that you don't need for most other programs. SysV IPC, I suppose. |
| 11:29.39 | bytewalker | crap its 4:20 .. AM |
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| 11:29.57 | Mr_butler | What is diference between IRC and ICQ? |
| 11:30.06 | peterS | InitMass: (under "general setup") |
| 11:30.08 | ChAmAeLeoN | tarzeau, hmm also jazz, folky stuff |
| 11:30.11 | L00thar | !dict loopback |
| 11:30.13 | dpkg | could not find definition for loopback |
| 11:30.16 | nvz | bytewalker: no its 6:20am |
| 11:30.18 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: One has RC at the end, the other CQ |
| 11:30.18 | cafuego | tarzeau: With a 56K modem and automated printing on the laser |
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| 11:30.29 | cafuego | tarzeau: ... running, mind you, on an old PPC. |
| 11:30.43 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, isn't irc good for that? :) |
| 11:30.43 | peterS | Mr_butler: IRC has been around since the 80s, ICQ was invented as the first popular non-IRC instant message system in '96 or so |
| 11:30.52 | InitMass | peterS, ok. and is it anything that i need to include to be able to use xv then? |
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| 11:31.13 | peterS | InitMass: xv, meaning, XVideo, or xv, meaning, the old shareware image viewer? |
| 11:31.18 | Mr_butler | ChAmAeLeoN; I also got now Qtchat and Gyach |
| 11:31.25 | peterS | InitMass: in both cases, it's all about your X server, not much about your kernel |
| 11:31.26 | rahul | ICQ is IRC with only one server, less features, and a screwy protocol |
| 11:31.40 | tarzeau | ChAmAeLeoN: indie is that like surfer music? |
| 11:31.42 | L00thar | Jabber? |
| 11:31.50 | bytewalker | icq used 2 rewl teh school |
| 11:31.51 | InitMass | peterS, i meant to use xv in mplayer e.g |
| 11:31.55 | tarzeau | cafuego: congratulations, do you know what i never got to run on linux? scanners... |
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| 11:31.56 | justSCOaway | Ok thats it, debian just went in and I would say it is a similar [time wise] install to NT4, but this has a bundle of apps that were mot installed seperately. So I guess its quicker to get working |
| 11:31.58 | rahul | tarzeau: it's stuff that isn't on a label |
| 11:32.04 | nvz | rahul: now you know those lame assed messenger protocols all have mirror sites |
| 11:32.11 | tarzeau | cafuego: and bad webcams (sucky unsupported ones of course) and printers (WPS) |
| 11:32.18 | ChAmAeLeoN | Mr_butler, i only use amsn aprat for irc for m$ people still remaining faithful to bill |
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| 11:32.29 | tub | I'm upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4.22 so which one I need to install first, kernel-headers or kernel-image? |
| 11:32.31 | peterS | InitMass: that would be XVideo, then. like I said it depends on your X server and its drivers - not much to do with the kernel. you might need SysV IPC support in the kernel for that too, though, come to think of it. I'm not sure |
| 11:32.34 | Mr_butler | I found that each time i do ICQ, I get an instant message from a lady for having fun ;) must be a bot |
| 11:32.37 | tarzeau | i like turkish volk music from "zeki müren", you really ought to try |
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| 11:32.49 | ChAmAeLeoN | tarzeau, nan, it's "independent" labels! |
| 11:32.49 | tarzeau | sussudio hates it |
| 11:32.51 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: Or your mistress, wanting some tea. |
| 11:32.53 | rahul | nvz: what do you mean by mirror? |
| 11:33.02 | bytewalker | tub: the headers are just for compiling stuff, u only really need the image |
| 11:33.04 | sussudio | "Indie rock takes its name from "independent," which describes both the do-it-yourself attitudes of its bands and the small, lower-budget nature of the labels that release the music." |
| 11:33.05 | ChAmAeLeoN | tarzeau, suppose there could even be surfers in that! |
| 11:33.17 | joss193 | peterS: can i query you :)? |
| 11:33.23 | peterS | joss193: sure |
| 11:33.29 | lord_rob | how can I ask dpkg-reconfigure to be the more verbose as possible ? I set the verbosity level very low when i first installed debian |
| 11:33.30 | nvz | rahul: they all have more than one server to connect to usually about 7 of them all with the numbers 1-7 respectivly |
| 11:33.38 | rahul | well, indie HAS been commercialized |
| 11:33.42 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: "humourist" in my case. |
| 11:33.50 | ChAmAeLeoN | sussudio, thanks :) |
| 11:34.00 | rahul | nvz: don't recall icq being like that around 1996 |
| 11:34.12 | rahul | nvz: in any case, if one was down, the whole thing was down |
| 11:34.19 | ChAmAeLeoN | sussudio always helpful good quotes :) |
| 11:34.20 | bytewalker | <- had 6 digit icq number |
| 11:34.33 | Mr_butler | thomas_adam; both mean the same.One is american the other is british. It is same as saying "get lost and go away please" |
| 11:34.33 | rahul | I think I had a 5 digit icq number |
| 11:34.47 | tub | bytewalker: ok, thanks. who do i know if this has iptables http://people.debian.org/~herbert/woody/kernel-image-2.4.22-2-k6_2.4.22-2woody.2_i386.deb |
| 11:35.07 | nvz | rahul: I am sure AOL doesnt have it all running off one box in the basement.. but the point is that thought they have more than one server, there is only one chatnetwork.. they still have nodes that make up their networks just like IRC |
| 11:35.11 | bytewalker | iptables is in all 2.4 kernels i thought |
| 11:35.19 | tub | and is there anywhere 2.6.0 kernel-image |
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| 11:35.23 | thomas_adam | Mr_butler: Hmm, I have never seen "get lost and go away please" a definition in the OED for (humor|humour), but if you say it is.... |
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| 11:35.36 | tub | I tried to build my own 2.6.0 but it was too trivial |
| 11:35.47 | rahul | nvz: this was long before AOL bought them |
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| 11:36.04 | justSCOaway | I must go eat something but I note I only got 2 resolution options. what if I want finer resolution on 17"? dont tell me how, just point me in the general direction |
| 11:36.12 | rahul | back when the server was probably running off one box in the basement of some building in israel |
| 11:36.23 | ChAmAeLeoN | i like the politically correct british/american ortography thing! |
| 11:36.26 | nvz | rahul: and now with bitlbee, its like the same thing as IRC, you have Yahoo network, MSN, ICQ, etc.. |
| 11:36.32 | word | Would ^http://.+\.keyword/* match http://sub.sub.sub.keyword.sub.sub.com ? |
| 11:36.36 | Mr_butler | thomas_adam; I mean both convey the same thing ie the person doesnot want the other person around. get my point? :) |
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| 11:43.34 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: it says how to get the plugin for FT |
| 11:43.34 | js__ | what is +q ? |
| 11:43.34 | rahul | quiet |
| 11:43.34 | nvz | rahul: actually now I see what you are saying.. you configure it by adding accounts, with the username, password, and server, then it only shows your buddies in the channel #bitlbee |
| 11:43.34 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul great! |
| 11:43.34 | rahul | they can be seen and not heard |
| 11:43.34 | rahul | nvz: hrm. funky. |
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| 11:43.34 | rahul | nvz: sounds as complicated as using one of those silly clients anyway |
| 11:43.35 | nvz | rahul: if you chat in the channel you are speaking to @root, and thats how you control it, you have to use tab completion and address others for the messages to be sent to the right place |
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| 11:44.09 | simonrvn | weee |
| 11:44.40 | jordi | how can i test my souncard ? |
| 11:44.41 | simonrvn | oh boy sendqs |
| 11:44.41 | rahul | jordi: try changing the volume |
| 11:44.41 | sussudio | hmm someone's fingering a hedgehog on tv. |
| 11:45.00 | simonrvn | jordi: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 11:45.00 | rahul | sussudio: you would know |
| 11:45.04 | simonrvn | ..and care :P |
| 11:45.19 | rahul | yeah |
| 11:45.19 | Teppich | could somebody handle me a url where I can download a woody-install-iso with kernel greater 2.4.18? I searched debian.org but onyl found links to people.debian.org which is not yet working fully again |
| 11:45.23 | sussudio | hm now two of them are getting it on |
| 11:45.23 | rahul | Teppich: why? |
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| 11:45.39 | Teppich | rahul: I need to install on hardware which is not supported by 2.4.18 (i845) |
| 11:45.42 | rahul | sussudio: two people fingering hedgehogs are getting it on with eachother at the same time? |
| 11:46.02 | sussudio | rahul: no, two hedgehogs on top of eachother |
| 11:46.05 | rahul | Teppich: what in that is not supported by 2.4.18? it has PIIX support. |
| 11:46.19 | rahul | sussudio: not a hedgehog and a hamster? |
| 11:46.22 | fflush | Teppich: dowload netinstall with xfs support from debian.org, it comes with a 2.4.20 kernel |
| 11:46.37 | sussudio | rahul: i don't think they have wild hamsters in the english countryside |
| 11:46.41 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, by simply apt-getting installing is there the plugin for ft? |
| 11:46.49 | peterS | rahul: does 2.4.18 know that the i845 is piix-compatible? it might not |
| 11:46.51 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: no. |
| 11:46.53 | ChAmAeLeoN | installing gift i mean |
| 11:46.54 | Teppich | rahul: really? IIRC that chipset is not using a PIIX - but this might be wrong |
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| 11:47.03 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, can you help me? |
| 11:47.04 | Teppich | thanks fflush |
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| 11:47.10 | rahul | peterS: the hardware might just advertise itself as a piix, tho |
| 11:47.12 | peterS | Teppich: I'll bet you money that it uses a chip in the ICH series, which is PIIX-compatible |
| 11:47.19 | rahul | Teppich: what else would it use? |
| 11:47.34 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: the docs told me what to do |
| 11:47.35 | peterS | Teppich: run 'lspci | grep IDE' and you'll see |
| 11:47.38 | Teppich | rahul: IIRC - you got me, thanks a lot |
| 11:47.43 | mati | is there ppppoe support with the netinst mini-iso ? |
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| 11:47.54 | Teppich | fflush: too bad, that XFS-iso is also located on people.debian.org |
| 11:47.54 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, fair enough |
| 11:48.06 | rahul | mati: I think so. check if the package is in base. |
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| 11:48.18 | fflush | Teppich: install with the default 2.4.18 them compile a new kernel |
| 11:48.18 | mati | base ? |
| 11:48.22 | bytewalker | kappfinder is rather disappointing, it doesnt even find gaim, yeesh |
| 11:48.23 | Teppich | peterS: I haven?t got the hardward right by me side - and don?t want to blame me at the customers site |
| 11:48.27 | sussudio | i think the 30mb netinst cd even had pppoe |
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| 11:48.39 | bytewalker | noone has any idea what that debian auto-menu generator thing is called? |
| 11:48.41 | lord_rob | I edited fr_BE@euro locales file to create my own custom locales file. How can I register it ? Will it be incorporated directly in dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 11:48.48 | justSCOaway | nvs: thanks guys I can have fun later gtg |
| 11:48.53 | peterS | Teppich: ok then. I honestly don't know if 2.4.18 will recognise the i845 ICH IDE device or not. newer kernels certainly will |
| 11:48.58 | fflush | bytewalker: apt-get install menu # wild guess |
| 11:49.26 | bytewalker | fflush: OMG THATS IT |
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| 11:49.39 | bytewalker | fflush: PROPS DOOD |
| 11:49.58 | fflush | props? |
| 11:50.05 | fflush | my english sucks |
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| 11:50.09 | peterS | fflush: as in, good job |
| 11:50.24 | fflush | i see |
| 11:50.50 | rahul | fflush: it's not english |
| 11:51.01 | fflush | that might be the problem |
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| 11:51.18 | rahul | mad props |
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| 11:51.56 | bytewalker | madizzle prizzles |
| 11:51.58 | Geheimagent | anyone knows when packages.debian.org will be online again and what causes the delay? |
| 11:52.10 | fflush | Geheimagent: /topic |
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| 11:52.35 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, seems complicated for a newbie like me :) |
| 11:52.56 | rahul | ChAmAeLeoN: if you say so |
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| 11:53.22 | ChAmAeLeoN | rahul, oh well nevermind |
| 11:53.45 | ChAmAeLeoN | see y'all folks later hot diggidy yeaaahh |
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| 11:54.00 | ChAmAeLeoN | bye byeeee |
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| 11:54.03 | jordi | i need a good multimedia player 4 linux, which is a good one ? |
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| 11:54.09 | rahul | fflush: that wasn't english either ^ |
| 11:54.19 | Teppich | thanks once more fflush, found a site offering the xfs.iso |
| 11:54.22 | rahul | nor was that |
| 11:54.23 | Geheimagent | fflush: tnx. |
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| 11:54.39 | rahul | poor fflush. he's not going to understand any of you. |
| 11:54.59 | wuhuu | howto get my usb-printer running with openoffice ? |
| 11:55.23 | bytewalker | my linux adventures are over for tonight, farewell |
| 11:55.44 | Gujin | hey I installed the 2.6 kernel but now my mouse wheel suddenly stopped working. I've got an IntelliMouse Explorer USB mouse and I'm using the IMPS/2 mouse drivers. any idea why? |
| 11:56.07 | rahul | wuhuu: do your logs say that the printer device was detected when it is plugged in? |
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| 11:56.23 | wuhuu | mom |
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| 11:56.49 | Ryuujin | hum.. my flash mp3 player makes x freeze x.x |
| 11:56.55 | Ryuujin | but it console it works just fine.. |
| 11:56.56 | peterS | Gujin: try the ExplorerPS/2 driver |
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| 11:57.02 | wuhuu | it is already printing with cupsys |
| 11:57.07 | irvken | i ther no mplayer deb package, can't seem to find it |
| 11:57.08 | Gujin | ok thanks |
| 11:57.11 | irvken | is |
| 11:57.22 | peterS | Gujin: this is in XF86Config-4, right? ExplorerPS/2 and ImPS/2 should both work, but ExplorerPS/2 is a bit more sophisticated |
| 11:57.25 | Ryuujin | irvken: compile it from scratch! the deb source isn't worth installing! |
| 11:57.40 | rahul | irvken: it's not legal to be in debian |
| 11:57.50 | rahul | irvken: get the source and compile a deb with it |
| 11:58.01 | rahul | it's ready to be made into a deb |
| 11:58.10 | Gujin | peterS: XF86Config |
| 11:58.13 | Gujin | still not working... |
| 11:58.16 | rahul | you want to install it as a deb... |
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| 11:58.40 | tasio | hi |
| 11:58.40 | Gujin | when I try to cat < /dev/input/mice and use the wheel I don't see anything on my screen ;/ |
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| 11:58.52 | Ryuujin | rahul: uhm.. and why is mplayer not legal in debian? |
| 11:59.01 | peterS | Gujin: strange. it should. you're using /dev/input/mice for your mouse device, yes? |
| 11:59.07 | rahul | Ryuujin: it uses code that might not be legal to distribute |
| 11:59.07 | Gujin | yes |
| 11:59.20 | Gujin | it works just fine with 2.4 |
| 11:59.41 | Gujin | perhaps I'm missing some kernel modules |
| 11:59.44 | rahul | I think you need to enable support for wheel mice in 2.6 |
| 11:59.46 | Ryuujin | rahul: sounds strange? copyright problems? |
| 11:59.55 | rahul | Ryuujin: patents, I think |
| 11:59.56 | peterS | Gujin: the kernel modules will be 'mousedev' and 'hid'. same as 2.4. |
| 12:00.00 | gbay | rahul: hardly.. |
| 12:00.08 | peterS | Gujin: (they will also pull in the 'input' module) |
| 12:00.09 | wuhuu | and howto go on ? |
| 12:00.13 | Gujin | with 2.4 I had the 'input' module loaded but here with 2.6 it isn't |
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| 12:00.18 | gbay | mousedev? why on earth? |
| 12:00.28 | wuhuu | printer is running on /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 12:00.36 | Gujin | I got hid though |
| 12:00.41 | peterS | gbay: because that's how the linux kernel input layer works |
| 12:00.43 | joss193 | Gujin: with imps/2 youll have to use ZAxisMapping "4 5" option |
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| 12:00.47 | rahul | wuhuu: now you just nede to configure a spooler and print filter |
| 12:00.47 | peterS | gbay: mousedev handles /dev/input/mice output |
| 12:00.50 | Ryuujin | rahul: ah.. well, compiling it from source isn't illegal? |
| 12:00.54 | gbay | I don't use mouesdev |
| 12:00.56 | Gujin | joss193: it's already there |
| 12:01.00 | rahul | Ryuujin: it might be |
| 12:01.12 | peterS | gbay: perhaps you compiled it directly into your kernel. or perhaps you're not using the kernel input layer |
| 12:01.32 | wuhuu | what spooler and printer filter ? |
| 12:01.37 | wuhuu | xprt ? |
| 12:01.41 | rahul | wuhuu: the one you want |
| 12:01.46 | joss193 | Gujin: hmm, well yeah weird, and scroll doesnt work, well use Ms driver then :) |
| 12:01.46 | wuhuu | <-- newbie |
| 12:01.46 | rahul | xprt uses those |
| 12:01.48 | gbay | peterS hmm.. I'm using USB that might be the reason |
| 12:01.55 | sussudio | rolf harris is a dirty hedgehog violator. |
| 12:02.03 | Gujin | what ms driver?? |
| 12:02.04 | rahul | usb uses the input layer. ps2 does in 2.6, iirc. |
| 12:02.05 | wuhuu | I only know cupsys... |
| 12:02.08 | Ryuujin | rahul: oww, well, if they haven't solved the legal issues it can't really be illegal |
| 12:02.15 | peterS | gbay: USB uses 'mousedev'. if you compiled it directly into your kernel, it won't show up in your module list. but it *does* use it. |
| 12:02.24 | rahul | Ryuujin: not so. |
| 12:02.38 | rahul | Ryuujin: it'll still be illegal, we'll just find out after we broke the law |
| 12:03.26 | gravity | Hehe |
| 12:03.33 | gravity | !peterS |
| 12:03.34 | dpkg | peters is, like, tired |
| 12:03.39 | Ryuujin | rahul: owww, laws are confusing. |
| 12:03.44 | gravity | Damn it. Wasn't the mouse guru thing in there? |
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| 12:03.46 | sussudio | tonight on mastermind, peterS with specialty subject 'linux kernel mouse handling' |
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| 12:03.57 | peterS | gravity: someone added it to one of the bots, but dpkg has my factoid locked |
| 12:04.01 | gravity | Right |
| 12:04.05 | gravity | @peterS |
| 12:04.06 | ravenbird | it has been said that peters is tired, or the mouse guru |
| 12:04.10 | Zyroth | Is there any "Newbie" Channel on freenode? |
| 12:04.10 | gravity | There we go |
| 12:04.15 | peterS | gravity: heh |
| 12:04.22 | sussudio | Zyroth: /quit |
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| 12:04.33 | Zyroth | sunny256: Not funny? |
| 12:04.39 | Zyroth | damn |
| 12:04.43 | gravity | Zyroth: You could try #linux I guess |
| 12:04.45 | Zyroth | sussudio: Not funny? |
| 12:04.59 | Zyroth | k thx |
| 12:04.59 | sussudio | Zyroth: zee jokes are funny! you vill laugh! |
| 12:05.12 | Ryuujin | Zyroth: many would agree that this would be the one besides #newbie |
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| 12:05.27 | rahul | sussudio: my ass is hot! you will worship it! |
| 12:05.41 | Zyroth | sussudio: /join /quit wouldnt work though |
| 12:05.47 | gravity | Zyroth: This channel is Ok for newbies, although it's probably not the best. If you're using Debian, this is the place though |
| 12:05.55 | sussudio | rahul: i'm not one of your asian midget slaves. |
| 12:06.25 | Ryuujin | agreed. |
| 12:06.29 | rahul | heh |
| 12:06.46 | wuhuu | what shall i configure ?? |
| 12:06.53 | Zyroth | okay |
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| 12:07.16 | Doochy|Web52 | my debian machine says the date is: Sun Jan 4 12:07:56 UTC 2004 |
| 12:07.20 | Doochy|Web52 | how to fix the clock |
| 12:07.23 | gravity | Zyroth: Some of us will try and help you through the newbie stuff, but reading some good docs is probably the best way to get started |
| 12:07.26 | Doochy|Web52 | its not 12:07 |
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| 12:07.31 | wuhuu | my printer runs using cupsys but ..... |
| 12:07.38 | wuhuu | not with OO |
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| 12:07.52 | Ryuujin | Doochy|Web52: change the timezone.. |
| 12:07.56 | jordi | hi, i need to install the soundcard module for the es1371 chip, i didn't installed a soundcard module when i was installing debian, how can i install a module ? |
| 12:08.18 | Doochy|Web52 | Ryuujin: how ... as i remember there is a program to do it.. |
| 12:08.22 | Ryuujin | jordi: modconf |
| 12:08.24 | Doochy|Web52 | but i dont remember the name |
| 12:08.30 | gravity | jordi: modconf or modprobe |
| 12:08.31 | wuhuu | jordi: modprobe <module> |
| 12:08.35 | Ryuujin | Doochy|Web52: me neither |
| 12:08.46 | Ryuujin | gravity: you're slow. xD |
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| 12:08.51 | gravity | jordi: Or, if you want all your hardware autodetected, install discover |
| 12:08.55 | gravity | Ryuujin: Always :-) |
| 12:08.58 | Doochy|Web52 | Ryuujin: ntpdate :P |
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| 12:09.11 | Ryuujin | Doochy|Web52: well, that's lame. use rdate. |
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| 12:09.31 | peterS | gravity: discover1 or discover2? (: |
| 12:09.35 | Zyroth | gravity: The thing is, that I am starting with a WLAN Card, and so it is quite difficult to start with Linux for me, cause I don't have internet... I would just like to know which install i can use and which most probably will support the card... |
| 12:09.42 | gravity | peterS: Good luck finding discover1 debs ;-) |
| 12:09.48 | gravity | peterS: Err... s/1/2/ |
| 12:09.55 | peterS | gravity: I know where to find them (: |
| 12:10.00 | gravity | Heh |
| 12:10.06 | peterS | gravity: wait, never mind. that was your patched discover1 still |
| 12:10.18 | gravity | peterS: Right |
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| 12:10.45 | peterS | !gravity |
| 12:10.45 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp |
| 12:10.49 | gravity | Zyroth: That's going to be tough. Is there any way you can get a normal ethernet connection for the install? It'll make life easier. |
| 12:10.55 | peterS | !gravity is also it pays to discover |
| 12:10.56 | dpkg | okay, peterS |
| 12:11.00 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 12:11.07 | asac | During boot my system hangs after entering runlevel 2. It tries to start sysklogd, but hangs there. Any ideas?? |
| 12:11.23 | gravity | peterS: I'm not even going to approach discover2 until sarge is out the door |
| 12:11.38 | Doochy|Web52 | How to change the timezone |
| 12:11.39 | Doochy|Web52 | ? |
| 12:11.45 | sussudio | in soviet russia, discover2 approaches YOU! |
| 12:11.46 | gravity | Doochy|Web52: tzconfig |
| 12:11.47 | peterS | gravity: which, by my entry in !sarge pool, would be in another 4 months |
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| 12:11.58 | Ryuujin | darn xchat. |
| 12:12.09 | varsis | asac: that happens when /var is on a partition or harddrive which didn't mount, also there are probably other reasons |
| 12:12.17 | peterS | Doochy|Web52: edit /etc/timezone, is one way |
| 12:12.25 | Zyroth | gravity: I could, but it would be tough, too. (Getting my monitor up *very* steep stairs, etc.) |
| 12:12.30 | gravity | peterS: That's as good a guess as any :-) Although d-i has beta2 slated very soon, which may be very close to where we need to be. Things are shaping up pretty quick all over, from what I can tell |
| 12:12.40 | gravity | peterS: My guess is about half of that |
| 12:12.47 | jordi | i need a good multimedia player, which is a good one ? |
| 12:12.49 | peterS | gravity: shaping up pretty quick? how many architectures does d-i support now? |
| 12:13.06 | Ryuujin | jordi: mplayer. |
| 12:13.09 | asac | varsis: I boot from a ro nfs partition, but mount a rw partition to /var/log /var/lock & /var/run. Anything missing? |
| 12:13.20 | gravity | Zyroth: Ah. Well, you're going to have to look around. You're going to have to see if your wlan card is supported in linux at all, as many aren't (including mine) |
| 12:13.40 | Zyroth | any place i can check that? |
| 12:13.44 | gravity | peterS: Um, they're all in flux. The work seems to be progressing on all fronts. It doesn't really have to support all arch's at launch, imho. |
| 12:13.48 | gravity | Zyroth: Google |
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| 12:14.03 | Zyroth | gravity: Why did I even ask? |
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| 12:14.11 | peterS | gravity: it doesn't? I thought that was release critical - being able to install on all architectures does seem rather important |
| 12:14.16 | gravity | peterS: But they're definitely progressing. The ones that need to be there are i386 and ppc. The others can come later, if need be |
| 12:14.25 | jordi | i need a good multimedia player for woody, which is a good one ? |
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| 12:14.35 | gravity | peterS: Sure, but the arch's have to be able to pull their own weight. If they can't do that to get the installer ported, that's their problem |
| 12:14.38 | rahul | Zyroth: because you're lazy and wanted us to use google for you |
| 12:14.41 | gravity | Zyroth: :-) |
| 12:14.47 | Zyroth | ;D |
| 12:14.54 | gravity | jordi: mplayer. xine is also Ok. |
| 12:14.55 | rahul | we don't fall for that, tho :P |
| 12:15.00 | rahul | we're lazy, too |
| 12:15.04 | peterS | gravity: well, there is that. but it kind of sucks to say "we support 11 architectures but for most of these you have to install a 2-year-old version of the OS and then upgrade to this one" |
| 12:15.05 | gravity | Hehe |
| 12:15.20 | gravity | peterS: I agree, but then get the porters on the ball :-) |
| 12:15.28 | gravity | peterS: They are all moving forward though, from what I can tell |
| 12:15.32 | jordi | i can't install mplayer in woody, i've tried apt-cache search mplayer and there is no info about it |
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| 12:15.52 | varsis | jordi: http://www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 12:16.03 | Ryuujin | jordi: as i surgested, download mplayer and install it from scratch. |
| 12:16.04 | gravity | !tell jordi about mplayer |
| 12:16.07 | peterS | gravity: good to hear. the problem here is that it really is pretty hard to help port d-i to architectures you don't have hardware for. (I would guess - I haven't actually looked at the d-i source) |
| 12:16.08 | Ryuujin | via that site ^ |
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| 12:16.52 | gravity | peterS: Right. It's fairly portable on the whole, but things like the bootloader and whatnot have to be done custom, so you can't do actual builds without the hardware really. |
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| 12:17.13 | ericP | I just tried to install with a sarge -1.iso image and got a SEGV unpacking syslinux: "sleep: not found". Basekit wip |
| 12:17.16 | ericP | ed out what I used to have there and installed no new kernel. |
| 12:17.19 | ericP | How can I *conveniently* feedback the bug report? |
| 12:17.22 | ericP | How can I finish the install? |
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| 12:17.35 | gravity | ericP: Did you use d-i? |
| 12:17.47 | peterS | gravity: I hope "fairly portable on the whole" means that the arch maintainers really *will* be able to get their jobs done. I know one goal of d-i is to be less of a PITA to maintain and port than boot-floppies was. I hope it turns out that way |
| 12:17.58 | ericP | d-i isn't anything i recognize |
| 12:18.03 | peterS | ericP: debian-installer |
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| 12:18.09 | gravity | ericP: Where did you get the iso? |
| 12:18.23 | ericP | something linked from www.debian.org |
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| 12:18.42 | ericP | gravity, it was the -1 from a series of 10 |
| 12:18.42 | gravity | ericP: It was probably a d-i image. Ok... |
| 12:18.50 | gravity | Hmmm... maybe not |
| 12:19.19 | gravity | ericP: You're going to have to be more specific unfortunately. There's essentially two debian installers (among a few others really) and the new one is very different from the old one. |
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| 12:19.33 | ericP | gravity, it booted and did (slightly new to me 'cause i usually install stable) prompts for install drive and that sort of ting |
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| 12:20.18 | ericP | ok |
| 12:20.20 | gravity | peterS: Me too. I'm not sure how boot-floppies was. d-i is very very modular though, which is nice. |
| 12:20.20 | asac | whats the bestway to make a cramfs filesystem available in ramdisk (lets say mount it as a rw ramdisk to /mnt/ram)?? |
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| 12:20.33 | thomas_adam | asac: initrd |
| 12:20.40 | peterS | asac: why do you want a cramfs as a ramdisk? |
| 12:20.44 | ericP | gravity, are the two distinguishable by the device names they hvae for ide controllers? |
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| 12:20.52 | peterS | asac: if you want a ramdisk, use tmpfs, which is better suited for that |
| 12:20.56 | gravity | ericP: I don't know |
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| 12:21.02 | thomas_adam | peterS: First rule -- never ask "why" :) |
| 12:21.05 | asac | peterS: howto setup a tmpfs?? |
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| 12:21.15 | ericP | gravity, the one i used had a very long SUN-ish name where i would have expected /dev/hda |
| 12:21.15 | thomas_adam | asac: www.tldp/org/Howto |
| 12:21.15 | peterS | asac: "mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/ram" |
| 12:21.30 | gravity | ericP: Such as...? |
| 12:21.30 | thomas_adam | asac: assuming your kernel supports tmpfs |
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| 12:21.37 | peterS | asac: you do have to have that feature in your kernel |
| 12:21.45 | asac | i waant to setup a tmpfs from a remote source, which is ro. it should be rw, but only in ram |
| 12:22.09 | peterS | asac: mount it, then unpack a tarball into it. that's what I'd do, anyway |
| 12:22.10 | ericP | gravity, i'll go fetch the aflicted subject |
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| 12:22.15 | thomas_adam | asac: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep -i tmpfs |
| 12:22.23 | asac | peterS: how large will a tmpfs be?? |
| 12:22.25 | peterS | thomas_adam: or, grep tmpfs /proc/filesystems |
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| 12:22.32 | udo | hi |
| 12:22.35 | ericP | t a ramdisk, use tmpfs, which is better suited for that |
| 12:22.35 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:20:56Z <gravity> ericP: I don't know |
| 12:22.35 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:20:56Z -!- fat0s [~fat0s@219.8.33.65.cfl.rr.com] has joined #debian |
| 12:22.36 | peterS | asac: no preset limit. it's however big your memory is |
| 12:22.37 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:21:01Z <thomas_adam> peterS: First rule -- never ask "why" :) |
| 12:22.40 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:21:05Z <asac> peterS: howto setup a tmpfs?? |
| 12:22.43 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:21:09Z -!- fat0s [~fat0s@219.8.33.65.cfl.rr.com] has left #debian ["Leaving"] |
| 12:22.46 | ericP | 2004-01-04T12:21:13Z <ericP> gravity, the one i used had a very long SUN-ish name where i would have expected |
| 12:22.47 | thomas_adam | ericP: ssssssssssssssh |
| 12:22.49 | ericP | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.13 | zu22 | hi, i'm trying to run a binary that was compiled statically using glibc2 (ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, statically linked, striped) and when I run it it immediately seg faults, i ran strace and saw: open("/etc/nsswitch.conf", O_RDONLY) = 4, fstat64(4, 0xbffff800) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) then...read(4, "# /etc/nsswitch.conf\n#\n# Example"..., 4 |
| 12:23.31 | zu22 | any idea what is going on? i am PPP dialup and never touched this nsswitch file before |
| 12:23.35 | rich_ | I just switched installed a new version of fvwm Do I need to exit x to start useing it or will restarting fvwm suffice? |
| 12:23.39 | peterS | asac: I think you *might* be able to limit how much space the tmpfs is allowed to use, but I don't remember the mount option for that. by default, it will use however much RAM it needs |
| 12:23.41 | thomas_adam | zu22: that is not where your problem lies |
| 12:23.43 | asac | "peterS: thx. But what is the best way to fill it with a filestructure (copy?) |
| 12:23.45 | sussudio | ~pee on ericP |
| 12:23.48 | | ACTION pees on ericP |
| 12:23.54 | thomas_adam | asac: Hello. |
| 12:23.59 | zu22 | <thomas_adam>: oh? what is my problem then? |
| 12:24.04 | thomas_adam | asac: Are you trying anything peterS and I type? |
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| 12:24.13 | peterS | asac: 'cp -a', or 'tar xf', or whatever you want. in many situations I'd say it's easiest to unpack a tarfile |
| 12:24.21 | thomas_adam | zu22: I mean, that portion of strace code is not where your problem lies |
| 12:24.23 | dondelelcaro | zu22: impossible to tell without a backtrace of the application in question. |
| 12:24.32 | thomas_adam | peterS: I prefer cpio :) |
| 12:24.37 | peterS | thomas_adam: heh. whatever. (: |
| 12:24.49 | jordi | what should i do if i want to install mplayer in woody ? |
| 12:24.49 | asac | peterS: thx |
| 12:24.50 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok can u tell me how i can do a backtrace? |
| 12:24.53 | dondelelcaro | zu22: moreover, it would help if it wasn't built statically with -O0 and -g |
| 12:24.53 | ericP | oops, sorry about the big paste |
| 12:25.04 | shob | peterS: hmm... tried it.. make-kpkg seems to delete the directory(?) even though i created it (2.4.23 make-kpkg depmod error) |
| 12:25.07 | thomas_adam | zu22: ltrace might also be of help, too. |
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| 12:25.09 | dondelelcaro | zu22: gdb foo; r; bt; |
| 12:25.16 | ericP | lost everything at once (screen went wonky, no idea what happened) |
| 12:25.24 | zu22 | thomas_adamm: ah, so how do i tell where in strace the problem is? |
| 12:25.26 | thomas_adam | ericP: screen -x |
| 12:25.30 | peterS | shob: oh well, it was a try. I've never used make-kpkg so I can't help you further |
| 12:25.32 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 12:25.36 | dondelelcaro | shob: you never, ever, run make-kpkg depmod. |
| 12:25.41 | shob | peterS: heh.. thanks |
| 12:25.48 | zu22 | <thomas_adam> : ok thx |
| 12:25.50 | ericP | I just tried to install with a sarge -1.iso image and got a SEGV unpacking syslinux: "sleep: not found". Basekit wip |
| 12:25.52 | thomas_adam | zu22: get the program to core dump (man ulimit) and run gdb on it. |
| 12:25.53 | ericP | ed out what I used to have there and installed no new kernel. |
| 12:25.54 | shob | dondelelcaro: i didn't.. hold on... lemme fill u in... |
| 12:25.56 | ericP | How can I *conveniently* feedback the bug report? |
| 12:25.58 | ericP | omigod! |
| 12:25.59 | peterS | dondelelcaro: his problem is that make-kpkg gives an error during the modules_install portion because some dir doesn't exist |
| 12:26.01 | ericP | How can I finish the install? |
| 12:26.05 | ericP | this is killing me! |
| 12:26.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: he's tried this as root, and as non-root with fakeroot |
| 12:26.20 | thomas_adam | peterS: did you make-kpkg clean beforehand? |
| 12:26.25 | shob | dondelelcaro: make-kpkg kernel_image on 2.4.23.. yields error: depmod: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing |
| 12:26.30 | peterS | thomas_adam: not me, shob |
| 12:26.32 | ericP | thomas, am actually using screen, that's how i got back |
| 12:26.32 | zu22 | thomas_adam: alrighty, so if i am compiling a binary for distribution its good to make it dynamically linked in general? |
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| 12:26.48 | dondelelcaro | shob: are you building in /usr/src/linux? |
| 12:26.50 | shob | thomas_adam: yes... make-kpkg mrproper even.. and then reconfigured |
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| 12:26.54 | shob | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 12:26.57 | thomas_adam | shob: right |
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| 12:27.00 | thomas_adam | peterS: sorry |
| 12:27.03 | LiNuXMaN | hellow everybody |
| 12:27.16 | LiNuXMaN | hello everybody |
| 12:27.18 | looksaus | working on a backup, I do the following: |
| 12:27.19 | thomas_adam | zu22: well, yes -- statically linked libs are bloated |
| 12:27.21 | dondelelcaro | shob: and the user you're running as can touch /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep |
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| 12:27.28 | looksaus | cd /home/backup |
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| 12:27.33 | thomas_adam | zu22: ldd $(which strace) |
| 12:27.38 | thomas_adam | zu22: for example |
| 12:27.41 | looksaus | tar zcvf var.tar /var |
| 12:27.47 | cstrike | when I'm trying to install 2.6.0-1 kernel image it says that failing dependencies with module-init-tools and initrd-tools but neither of them is installed |
| 12:27.52 | looksaus | it goes on quite well |
| 12:27.56 | shob | dondelelcaro: yes.. i did touch that too... but after running make-kpkg againg.. i get the same error.. and the extra/ directory is missing |
| 12:28.07 | zu22 | thomas_adam: k, thx, does libc6 provide backwards compatability for glibc2.0 and 2.2 stuff? |
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| 12:28.17 | peterS | zu22: yes for the most part |
| 12:28.18 | dondelelcaro | shob: hrm. which kernel version is this? |
| 12:28.20 | looksaus | until all of a sudden I get an "error exit delayed from previous errors" |
| 12:28.22 | tarzeau | apt console |
| 12:28.42 | | extra, extra, read all about it, console is the opposite of x |
| 12:28.42 | LiNuXMaN | I'm trying to install Debian on a PowerPC G3 Beige, anybody with this working? |
| 12:28.42 | thomas_adam | zu22: yes |
| 12:28.42 | shob | dondelelcaro: 2.4.23, running sid |
| 12:28.42 | tarzeau | apt-get install caca-utils; cacaview porn/*.jpg |
| 12:28.42 | peterS | zu22: one notable exception is that you can no longer reference 'extern int errno;' explicitly in your code, you're supposed to use '#include <errno.h>' instead |
| 12:28.49 | dondelelcaro | shob: any wierd modules or anything? |
| 12:28.50 | zu22 | thomas_adam && peterS: k |
| 12:28.51 | looksaus | LiNuXMaN, there is a separate PPC channel |
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| 12:29.01 | zu22 | peterS: ah thx for warning |
| 12:29.06 | peterS | zu22: so a lot of old apps will spit out errors with glibc 2.3 for this reason |
| 12:29.11 | LiNuXMaN | looksaus: wich one, please? |
| 12:29.11 | looksaus | (using an ibook g4 at this very moment) |
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| 12:29.19 | shob | dondelelcaro: well, not really... it's basically the same as my prev config |
| 12:29.25 | sussudio | looksaus: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=4062623 |
| 12:29.26 | looksaus | don't know by hart, see debian ppc page |
| 12:29.32 | tarzeau | http://sam.zoy.org/projects/libcaca/ |
| 12:29.34 | LiNuXMaN | ah, ok, thx |
| 12:30.00 | shob | dondelelcaro: i do have alsa in the /usr/src/modules/ directory though |
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| 12:30.00 | dondelelcaro | shob: hrm. and you're using 8.078 of kernel package? |
| 12:30.05 | shob | dondelelcaro: but the error appears on kernel_image |
| 12:30.26 | shob | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 12:30.26 | ericP | gravity, device name is a parody of a SUN name: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 12:30.32 | pol_ | how do you tell x at the command line which display resolution to start up? i only have 1024x768 listed under 24bpp in XF86Config-4 but it is still starting in 800x600 according to xvidtune. |
| 12:30.45 | gravity | ericP: Hmm. Ok, that's probably d-i. |
| 12:30.49 | ericP | gravity, as opposed to somehting more like /dev/hda or /dev/h0b0t0l0 |
| 12:30.55 | thomas_adam | pol_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:31.02 | gravity | ericP: So you've got a beta version of the new installer right there (at best) |
| 12:31.04 | peterS | ericP: sort of a parody. devfs design *was* influenced by Solaris |
| 12:31.20 | thomas_adam | pol_: or just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 directly |
| 12:31.31 | gravity | ericP: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ will tell you about the installer, and how to file a bug report |
| 12:31.37 | peterS | ericP: although come to think of it that name scheme was Linus's idea, not Richard Gooch's (the author of devfs). |
| 12:31.44 | ericP | well, i don't mind contributing to debugging it, but im pretty lost for recovery now |
| 12:31.45 | shob | dondelelcaro: the .config was mostly from my prev install of knoppix, which means a lot more modules than probably necessary, if that info's helpful |
| 12:31.47 | dondelelcaro | shob: well, my first bet is to try compiling outside of /usr/src/linux just to see what is going on there... depmod is run almost last, and at the time it is run, those directories should have already been made. |
| 12:32.04 | gravity | ericP: And as for finishing the install, I'd honestly try using the normal woody install and then moving to sarge once you ahve the base in. |
| 12:32.06 | dondelelcaro | shob: you're not running out of space or inodes or anything, right? |
| 12:32.06 | cstrike | does someone know how to install 2.6.0-1 kernel image. it complains of dependencies with module-init-tools and initrd-tools but they are not even installed |
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| 12:32.16 | pol_ | thomas_adam: i'm getting this error: "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library" any idea why? |
| 12:32.16 | looksaus | tarring /var gives me an error: "Tar: error exit delayed from previous errors" |
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| 12:32.25 | looksaus | any suggestions |
| 12:32.27 | looksaus | ? |
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| 12:32.34 | pol_ | it still runs it, but didn't used to get that error |
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| 12:32.42 | dondelelcaro | cstrike: yes, you need module-init-tools. If you don't have it, you won't be able to load modules. |
| 12:32.42 | shob | dondelelcaro: no, for sure not... plus, i've compiled this same kernel with make_kpkg binary before.. |
| 12:32.42 | thomas_adam | pol_: yes, wrong locale settings |
| 12:32.51 | sussudio | apt: shut up |
| 12:32.56 | | yes master |
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| 12:32.56 | looksaus | (the tar archive doe look ok) |
| 12:32.56 | thomas_adam | pol_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:33.10 | dondelelcaro | shob: hrm. at the time of the error does the extra directory even exist? |
| 12:33.19 | pol_ | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 12:33.26 | thomas_adam | pol_: You're welcome. |
| 12:33.27 | ericP | gravity, ok. i'm just wondering how these installs ever get debugged if there's no try-tweak-try-again cycle that beta users can do |
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| 12:33.45 | shob | dondelelcaro: no, i tried creating it before compile, and after the make, the directory is missing |
| 12:33.46 | cstrike | dondelelcaro: apt-get says that module-init-tools has no available version |
| 12:34.12 | shob | dondelelcaro: so i figure it's not an issue with module-init-tools, rather with kernel-package |
| 12:34.13 | gravity | ericP: You file a bug report using the template, and it shows up on the mailing list. The developers then work on finding out what happened and fixing it. |
| 12:34.24 | dondelelcaro | !info module-init-tools |
| 12:34.28 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.0-pre4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 12:34.33 | rich_ | thomas_adam I got fvwm 2.5.9 from a third party deb. You said I could use the "Schedule" command via the shell to return the PID ($!)? Do you have any advice about how to go about doing that, or perhaps some docs I should read? |
| 12:34.34 | dondelelcaro | cstrike: ^^^^ |
| 12:34.50 | gravity | ericP: I'm not sure which version of d-i you used, but if it's an old one you may want to try a newer build (like one of the nightly builds) |
| 12:34.56 | ericP | gravity, so i should abandon the idea of having that interaction real-time. good to know. |
| 12:35.00 | cstrike | then its not found in my sources.list, searching , thx |
| 12:35.06 | dondelelcaro | shob: hrm. could be... are you using a debian source package of 2.4.23? or the stock upstream 2.4.23? |
| 12:35.08 | thomas_adam | rich_: the documentation is (at present): "man fvwm". It contains "everything". |
| 12:35.09 | gravity | ericP: Right |
| 12:35.15 | ericP | gravity, build, probably a few days ago. |
| 12:35.22 | dondelelcaro | shob: can you stick your config up somewhere? |
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| 12:35.31 | gravity | ericP: Ok |
| 12:35.40 | shob | dondelelcaro: the tarball off ftp.kernel.org (stock upstream?) |
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| 12:35.53 | dondelelcaro | shob: yeah.. this is i386 you're building for, right? |
| 12:35.54 | ericP | gravity, i'll poke around debian-installer (i've given up pasting frin this box) - tx |
| 12:35.58 | shob | dondelelcaro: sure, where? i was thinking to check here before submitting a bug |
| 12:36.06 | gravity | ericP: Good luck! |
| 12:36.09 | shob | dondelelcaro: yeah.. well i686 actually, but yeah |
| 12:36.11 | dondelelcaro | shob: anywhere. web accecible, dcc... |
| 12:36.50 | Snowmann | Hi - This is a daft question, but other than manually changeing the /etc/apt/source.list from stable to unstable, is there a way to change from stable to unstable? |
| 12:37.16 | dondelelcaro | Snowmann: perl -pi -e 's/stable/unstable/' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:37.18 | thomas_adam | Snowmann: s/stable/unstable/g in sources.list |
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| 12:37.26 | The_Vulture | Snowmann: no, why would there be? |
| 12:37.28 | thomas_adam | Snowmann: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 12:37.48 | shob | dondelelcaro: dcc send? |
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| 12:38.02 | dondelelcaro | shob: oh, you're behind a firewall. |
| 12:38.23 | shob | dondelelcaro: ok hold on.. lemme upload it someplace.. |
| 12:38.54 | pol_ | thomas_adam: Note: not updating /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; file has been customized. |
| 12:39.05 | thomas_adam | pol_: that's ok |
| 12:39.08 | pol_ | thomas_adam: you've got to be kidding me :P |
| 12:39.15 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you can get more clever than that. use 's/stable/un&/' (: |
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| 12:39.26 | thomas_adam | pol_: I am not a donkey |
| 12:39.28 | dondelelcaro | peterS: in sed, yes. |
| 12:39.38 | peterS | or perl |
| 12:40.06 | dondelelcaro | peterS: in perl its $& |
| 12:40.24 | shob | dondelelcaro: can i /msg u the link? |
| 12:40.29 | dondelelcaro | shob: sure. |
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| 12:40.43 | rich_ | thomas_adam Cool thanks. It has the new man page and everything :) |
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| 12:40.57 | thomas_adam | rich_: Sorry for directing you to it.... |
| 12:41.00 | peterS | dondelelcaro: wow. why didn't I know that? |
| 12:41.02 | Snowmann | I was just wondering - Newbie to Debian ... changing manuall works - I was thinking it "doesn't feel right though" - Thought there might be a variable somewhere where you change "flavours" or something? |
| 12:41.09 | pol_ | thomas_adam: ok, after doing that, and running a startx -- :3 from console, it's still running at 800x600, while i asked it to use only 1024x768 in the reconfigure |
| 12:41.22 | rich_ | thomas_adam Why? It looks like it should work.. |
| 12:41.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: the only problem is that using $& slows down every regex.... |
| 12:41.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: so it's really uncommon to see it used unless it has to be... |
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| 12:41.42 | ericP | gravity, following pointer to #debian-boot, maybe you're there too? |
| 12:41.44 | thomas_adam | rich_: :) |
| 12:41.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: like $` and $'. right. |
| 12:42.02 | thomas_adam | pol_: edit XF86Config-4 by hand |
| 12:42.07 | thomas_adam | peterS: yes |
| 12:42.43 | dondelelcaro | shob: cool. gimme a sec to test this... |
| 12:42.44 | maxb | anyone here using k3b on sid? are you now missing k3bsetup after the last upgrade |
| 12:42.51 | shob | dondelelcaro: sure |
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| 12:43.20 | shob | dondelelcaro: i have a log of my compile & errors too |
| 12:43.45 | pol_ | thomas_adam: SubSection "Display" |
| 12:43.45 | pol_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.45 | pol_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.11 | lord_rob | Anyone knows how to make custom locales file ? I copied /usr/share/i18n/locales/fr_BE@euro to a new file called rob, which is a customized version of fr_BE but I don't how to register it ... |
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| 12:44.47 | thomas_adam | pol_: then your graphics card can only support 800x600 |
| 12:45.09 | pol_ | thomas_adam: and it is still loading at 800x600, well it is actually using: "832x624" 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -hsync -vsync |
| 12:45.30 | dondelelcaro | pol_: how much memory does this card have? |
| 12:45.33 | pol_ | thomas_adam: i've used this card with X before at 1024x768 and it was quite comfortable.. |
| 12:45.36 | hackeron | can anyone answer the question on: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131220 ?? |
| 12:45.41 | Snowmann | Thanks for the help guys - Have a good morning |
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| 12:45.48 | thomas_adam | pol_: what chipset? |
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| 12:46.05 | gravity | ericP: Not right now, sorry. |
| 12:46.10 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: 1 or 2 megs i beleive, its a cirrus something or other |
| 12:46.12 | gravity | ericP: I'm on the mailing list though |
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| 12:46.37 | pol_ | isn't there a /proc file i can probe for the chipset info? |
| 12:46.50 | thomas_adam | pol_: lspci |
| 12:46.59 | thomas_adam | pol_: lspci -v |
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| 12:47.11 | dondelelcaro | pol_: lspci will give you some clue, but if it's only 1 or 2M, there's no way it can do 24bit at 1024x768 |
| 12:47.24 | dondelelcaro | !3*1024*768 |
| 12:47.24 | dpkg | 2359296 |
| 12:47.28 | pol_ | Cirrus Logic GD 5446 |
| 12:47.33 | dondelelcaro | !2048*1024 |
| 12:47.34 | dpkg | 2097152 |
| 12:47.35 | TimLaptop | I just switched from xdm to gdm, and now my window managers aren't run under ssh-agent. How should I fix this, and shouldn't it be fixed in the gdm package or something? |
| 12:47.47 | thomas_adam | TimLaptop: ? |
| 12:48.07 | colde89 | RPC : Programm not registred .. any idea ?? |
| 12:48.19 | TimLaptop | thomas_adam: Let me know what I should elaborate on |
| 12:48.48 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: i know it's a low memory amount, 2, maybe 4 megs then, but it *has* ran at 1024x768 with X before, a few years ago.. there was a bit of kludging, but it worked |
| 12:49.06 | dondelelcaro | pol_: yeah, probably at 8bit or 16bit, but probably not 24bit. |
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| 12:49.50 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: maybe it was 16 bit.. how do i tell x to start in 16 bit from the console..ie: startx -- :3 bpp=16 or something or other? |
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| 12:50.28 | dondelelcaro | pol_: use the -depth option |
| 12:50.29 | The_Vulture | hackeron: the "lastlog" program in the login package seems to be ok.. dunno if it's what you want |
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| 12:50.45 | Zapelius | colde89, feeling google-lucky? |
| 12:50.49 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: in fact my memory is coming back to me now, i'm pretty sure i had done it like that, and then i just used a shell script to call startx with those options whenever i ran it |
| 12:50.55 | gravity | Fucking konq! Crashing and losing a messageboard post! |
| 12:50.56 | gravity | Fuck |
| 12:51.11 | Oryn | gravity: try firebird |
| 12:51.13 | dondelelcaro | pol_: just change your XFree86 to have a Depth 16 or Depth 8 line instead of Depth 24. |
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| 12:51.14 | sussudio | ~fuck gravity |
| 12:51.17 | | ACTION humps gravity's leg in public |
| 12:51.23 | gravity | Oryn: The site doesn't render right in firebird |
| 12:51.25 | holycow | gravity, yeh i find konq extreeeemely crashy |
| 12:51.27 | pol_ | gravity: compose your message in a local editor and then copy it into the browser |
| 12:51.31 | holycow | must be all the goddamn plugins for it |
| 12:51.31 | iphitus | how do I copy a whole directory to another place? |
| 12:51.33 | gravity | holycow: That's the first time I've had a problem |
| 12:51.40 | The_Vulture | iphitus: cp |
| 12:51.41 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: man cp; you're looking for cp -r |
| 12:51.41 | holycow | gravity, all the time here |
| 12:51.41 | The_Vulture | man cp |
| 12:51.47 | iphitus | The_Vulture: ok |
| 12:51.49 | iphitus | lol |
| 12:51.52 | holycow | especially trying to ftp files to another box |
| 12:51.53 | gravity | holycow: I don't use it for anything other than this site |
| 12:52.06 | gravity | I should just get the stuff for the site and fix it myself so it works in firebird |
| 12:52.25 | iphitus | ah! i needed -r! |
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| 12:53.02 | iphitus | will that change permissions at all? |
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| 12:53.09 | iphitus | or leave the same? |
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| 12:53.34 | hackeron | The_Vulture: well yeah, but it doesn't help me, I need to see a list of login times, logout time, username, IP.. lastlod just shows then every single user logged on last, that's useless for me |
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| 12:54.00 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: you the man. |
| 12:54.23 | rich_ | Thanks everyone I'll bbl |
| 12:54.28 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: thats what it was, not enough memory to handle 24bit, but telling it to run at 16bit works fine |
| 12:54.37 | iphitus | will that command change the permiisons at all?? |
| 12:55.02 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: is there any real difference between 16 and 24 bit? besides minimal color differences which i can barely tell |
| 12:55.23 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: yes, it will change permisions. You need -a and/or -p if you want to preserve permisions. Read the cp manpage. |
| 12:55.28 | thomas_adam | hackeron: last |
| 12:55.31 | thomas_adam | hackeron: lastb |
| 12:55.34 | iphitus | ok |
| 12:55.48 | Zapelius | pol, yes. you have ~1/2 of the fps with 24b :) |
| 12:55.49 | dondelelcaro | pol_: yes, there's a difference. It's not that big of a difference, but it is noticeable... |
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| 12:56.06 | pol_ | Zapelius: heh |
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| 12:56.17 | dondelelcaro | !2**24-2**16 |
| 12:56.17 | dpkg | 16711680 |
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| 12:56.26 | dondelelcaro | pol_: there is exactly that much difference ^^^^ |
| 12:56.35 | hackeron | thomas_adam: right, read the question, last trancates the output!!, instead of potpockey, I see potpocke, it cuts username to 8 characters and doesn't display seconds! |
| 12:56.39 | pol_ | memory wise :0 |
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| 12:56.44 | fragg | is there any way to actually get lm-sensors to work with kernel 2.6.0 (and debian) yet? |
| 12:56.53 | thomas_adam | hackeron: boo-hiss |
| 12:56.55 | iphitus | cp -pr /usr/* /usr2/ |
| 12:56.59 | pol_ | dondelelcaro: with your math, what is the highest resolution i can run? |
| 12:57.00 | iphitus | will that be fine? |
| 12:57.06 | thomas_adam | iphitus: or use cpio |
| 12:57.10 | iphitus | im moving my /usr/ partition |
| 12:57.53 | hackeron | thomas_adam: boo-hiss? |
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| 12:57.57 | iphitus | cpio: copy files in and out of archives?? im not doin that |
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| 12:58.16 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: again, man cp. it's not that difficult. |
| 12:58.36 | peterS | pol_: think of it this way. X res * Y res * 2 bytes = memory usage. (2 bytes == 16 bits) |
| 12:58.44 | iphitus | thanks all |
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| 12:59.05 | thomas_adam | iphitus: ( cd /usr && tar cf - .) | (cd /dest/dir && tar xvfp -) |
| 12:59.14 | peterS | pol_: so, you get half as many megapixels as you have video RAM (: |
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| 12:59.23 | iphitus | dondelelcaro: i did read the man, i just wanted to check to make sure i didnt screw anythin up, incase there was anyting i needed to do |
| 12:59.38 | iphitus | thomas_adam: im doing this: cp -pr /usr/* /usr2/ |
| 12:59.38 | peterS | pol_: (to use the terminology from digital camera marketing materials) |
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| 12:59.49 | thomas_adam | iphitus: do it my way |
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| 12:59.56 | iphitus | thomas_adam: why? |
| 13:00.06 | thomas_adam | iphitus: it's more efficient |
| 13:00.11 | thomas_adam | iphitus: cp will fail |
| 13:00.28 | iphitus | ok, if cp fails ill do it your way |
| 13:00.29 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: you want the -a option. |
| 13:00.40 | iphitus | dondelelcaro: thats archive |
| 13:00.53 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: no, it's not just 'archive' |
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| 13:00.56 | Snoupy | hi |
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| 13:01.16 | pol_ | !2*1152*864 |
| 13:01.16 | dpkg | 1990656 |
| 13:01.17 | dondelelcaro | iphitus: it has the important property of preserving links. |
| 13:01.21 | iphitus | oh |
| 13:01.22 | iphitus | i see |
| 13:01.23 | thomas_adam | iphitus: ( cd /usr && tar cf - .) | (cd /dest/dir && tar xvfp -) |
| 13:01.24 | iphitus | thanks |
| 13:01.29 | pol_ | !2*1280*960 |
| 13:01.29 | dpkg | 2457600 |
| 13:01.50 | Snoupy | is there a network monitoring tool (ncurses if possible) that shows me the real time traffic for each ip address i am connected to ? Iptraf does that but only by ports or interfaces, not by ip addresses... |
| 13:01.58 | pol_ | only one more step up the resolution ladder, if that then.. with 2megs of vid. memory |
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| 13:02.31 | fragg | Snoupy: etherape (not ncurses, needs X though) |
| 13:03.07 | Snoupy | probleme is that my linux fw is an old computer and will not run X well |
| 13:03.14 | Snoupy | :( |
| 13:04.00 | Orlino | Snoupy: ntop is very good, can run as a web server and all |
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| 13:04.41 | peterS | pol_: actually you can probably manage 1176 x 882, if you want to keep your 4:3 ratio (: |
| 13:04.56 | peterS | pol_: according to my math that *just* squeaks in under 2 MB (: |
| 13:05.13 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
| 13:05.42 | Snoupy | ntop is not realtime ! |
| 13:05.44 | dondelelcaro | peterS: is there actually a modeline for that resolution? |
| 13:05.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: nah, you'd have to write one |
| 13:06.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. |
| 13:06.13 | peterS | dondelelcaro: but that's not hard or anything - you just have to have a feel for what size gaps the numbers tend to have, and guess at it from there |
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| 13:06.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: eh, you can calculate them out... but its not exactly trivial |
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| 13:06.56 | peterS | dondelelcaro: right. I just guess at this stuff. experience helps |
| 13:06.57 | petemc | arent there websites for calculating modelines |
| 13:07.08 | cstrike | please say and ftp for my sources.list which is up to date |
| 13:07.24 | peterS | petemc: yeah, I've heard of such. never tried one. if you get something that works at all you can tweak it with xvidtune |
| 13:07.32 | dondelelcaro | cstrike: use an official mirror, or run apt-setup |
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| 13:08.52 | cstrike | dondelelcaro: my mirror is(?) official (ftp.fi.debian.org, its in same lan as me) but it doesn't have i.e 0.1.53 initrd-tools |
| 13:09.15 | dondelelcaro | cstrike: are you running unstable? have you run apt-get update? |
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| 13:09.24 | Snoupy | bye |
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| 13:09.42 | pol_ | peterS: can i actually ask X to run at that resolution? do i just replace the "1024x768" line with "1176x882" ? |
| 13:10.06 | cstrike | dondelelcaro: I have stable woody 3.0r2. just running apt-setup |
| 13:10.09 | thomas_adam | pol_: if you do that, you'll need to decrease your colour-depth |
| 13:10.20 | peterS | pol_: no, as I was telling dondelelcaro, you have to write a mode line for 1176x882x{insert refresh rate here}. it's not *that* hard, but you have to know how. |
| 13:10.32 | peterS | pol_: because XFree86 does not have built-in timing information for that resolution. |
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| 13:10.42 | dondelelcaro | cstrike: uh, stable doesn't have modules-init-tools. You'll have to get a backport for stable from apt-get.org |
| 13:10.46 | peterS | pol_: google for "XFree86 Video Timings HOWTO" |
| 13:10.51 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: backports.org |
| 13:10.54 | TimLaptop | pol_: If you don't have a ModeLine (either in the modes that X detects are supported, or defined manually), X won't accept it I think. |
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| 13:11.31 | pol_ | and if theres a howto out there i can consult, just holler.. last thing i want to know is how i would tell X to give me a "virtual resolution" where the actual monitor display is at 1024x768 but the virtual is twice as wide, so that i can scroll the display width.. |
| 13:11.33 | cstrike | thomas_adas: dondelelcaro: ok |
| 13:11.36 | peterS | pol_: that HOWTO is somewhat old, and not really needed for XFree86 4.x unless you're doing something fancy like 1176x882, but I believe all the info is still valid |
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| 13:12.31 | xinud | where can i change the PATH$ after login from gdm ? |
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| 13:12.38 | thomas_adam | xinud: ~/.xsession |
| 13:12.44 | flossymike | how can I get hold of the kernel source for testing? My mobo have a closed source NIC on it and to have the kernel source to install it. (asking this from a different machine) Cheers |
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| 13:13.18 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: tell cstrike, not me... |
| 13:13.27 | AvengerMoJo | usb printer anyone using? |
| 13:13.31 | thomas_adam | xinud: and it is $PATH. PATH$ is something else. |
| 13:13.39 | sussudio | ~tell AvengerMoJo about polls |
| 13:13.45 | xinud | thomas_adam, ok tnx |
| 13:13.45 | pol__ | if you guys responded to my last question, could you repeat it? *G* |
| 13:14.26 | Zapelius | peterS, I think you have to count 16b for each of the three (RGB) colors :) |
| 13:14.32 | Zapelius | elseways it is 16b grayscale |
| 13:15.02 | peterS | Zapelius: nope. you get 5 or 6 bits for each color. I think green gets the 6. |
| 13:15.05 | AvengerMoJo | sussudio: what about polls |
| 13:15.11 | TimLaptop | thomas_adam: Oh.. I figured out that ssh-agent thingy.. looks like when I choose "Xsession" from the menu of window managers, ssh-agent isn't run. I chose Xsession because I've got a custom ~/.xsession script that runs my usual applications. I should probably figure out which script I should use instead |
| 13:15.25 | thomas_adam | TimLaptop: yup |
| 13:15.31 | peterS | Zapelius: what you describe would be 48-bit color, which XFree86 doesn't support (: |
| 13:15.45 | TimLaptop | thomas_adam: Thanks |
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| 13:16.35 | flossymike | will downloading a regular kernel source do? To install a closed source driver? |
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| 13:18.12 | The_Vulture | flossymike: better off getting the kernel-source debian package to match the kernel-image you have installed |
| 13:18.20 | jjoseph | flossymike, It should be what is recommended, as the closed source driver is expecting the kernel source. Check the install notes for the driver though. |
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| 13:18.46 | flossymike | <The_Vulture>I thought so, but how can I do that? |
| 13:19.01 | The_Vulture | flossymike: install it like any other package, with apt-get |
| 13:19.53 | flossymike | <The_Vulture>But it's a nic I want ot install ... I cannot get on to the internet untill I get it working ...a bit of a Catch 22 |
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| 13:20.02 | ElRaton | hello |
| 13:20.18 | ElRaton | i'm using xfce4, and i attempt to use menu |
| 13:20.27 | ElRaton | but i wonder why it doesn't work... |
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| 13:21.57 | sussudio | ~doesn't work |
| 13:21.59 | | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:22.04 | The_Vulture | flossymike: well if you can't get anything from the net, how do you intend to get the kernel source? if you have access to the net, only indirectly (ie, ferrying things on disk, or from another partition) there are several choices, the simplest is to just download the .deb yourself, then ferry it across and install it with dpkg |
| 13:23.09 | The_Vulture | if your other system (the place you are ferrying from) is also an *nix system, or has cygwin, etc, you might be able to use apt-zip to help |
| 13:23.20 | The_Vulture | (but just downloading the .deb manually is probably easier in this case0 |
| 13:23.32 | ElRaton | sorry |
| 13:23.37 | ElRaton | i don't see the menus |
| 13:23.46 | flossymike | <The_Vulture>I have another computer computer running and I can burn to CD. I'm running from a live CD at the moment |
| 13:24.23 | shob | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help, i'm off to sleep now though.. |
| 13:24.57 | flossymike | <The_Vulture>Ok, I'll go a hunting the deb file for the testing kernel. |
| 13:25.12 | jjoseph | flossymike, Maybe mount a partition with the live cd and copy the .deb there. |
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| 13:25.41 | The_Vulture | assuming it's dual boot.. |
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| 13:26.32 | jjoseph | or you can mount a partition under something like knoppix, which is, I guess, still dual boot. |
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| 13:26.40 | cstrike | Now I (finally) got 2.6.0-1 and working, you rock guys.. thx |
| 13:27.18 | flossymike | <jjoseph><The_Vulture>it's actually a suse live evaluation CD I'm running from at the moment (X falls over on knoppix for some reason :-( ) |
| 13:27.38 | The_Vulture | jjoseph: the point is he'd need another functional operating system on the system so that he could use _that_ to get the file off the net and onto the partition |
| 13:27.44 | flossymike | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.47 | The_Vulture | then he could boot form the linux partition and mount it |
| 13:28.24 | clinfix | do you know any document explaining kernel panic? |
| 13:28.24 | ElRaton | does somebody use menu inside xfce4, to tell me how to do exactly, please ? |
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| 13:28.38 | jjoseph | The_Vulture, I think I understand. |
| 13:28.52 | fatal__ | ElRaton: which menu? |
| 13:29.03 | ElRaton | fatal__> the debian tool |
| 13:29.04 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: You need to use the xfce4-config tool thungy |
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| 13:29.31 | ynezz | relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache |
| 13:29.32 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> i don't have it !? |
| 13:29.40 | ynezz | is it possible to fix it somehow ? |
| 13:29.50 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: yes you do -- it comes with xfce4 |
| 13:30.33 | ElRaton | basho: xfce4-config: command not found |
| 13:30.34 | flossymike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.49 | mosty | clinfix: a kernel panix is similar to a blue screen of death in windows |
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| 13:31.15 | ribnitz | hallo leute |
| 13:31.35 | tarzeau | is there no tv tuner program yet with http://sam.zoy.org/projects/libcaca/ ? |
| 13:31.42 | clinfix | mosty:ohhh fuck ,are you serious than linux-1:((( |
| 13:31.43 | AvengerMoJo | is that possible to echo "Hello^L" > /dev/usb/lp0 to test usb printer? |
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| 13:31.43 | tarzeau | hi ribnitz |
| 13:31.49 | ElRaton | bash-2.05b$ whereis xfce4-config \ xfce4-config: |
| 13:31.53 | Covener | tarzeau: mplayer cvs works |
| 13:32.04 | shob | dondelelcaro: i've uploaded my logs, do u recommend i do a reportbug, or wait on it? |
| 13:32.04 | tarzeau | Covener: ahhh right it can view tv! |
| 13:32.13 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: xfce4<tab><tab> |
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| 13:32.21 | Covener | tarzeau: but the surfing is kinda painful I think |
| 13:32.35 | ElRaton | xfce4-about xfce4-panel xfce4_setup xfce4-tips |
| 13:32.45 | ribnitz | suppose I have a domain, foo.bar, with public ips. Is it possible to do a subdomain local.foo.bar that isnt propagated in dns? (mailny for the 192.168.x.y addys) |
| 13:32.53 | Covener | tarzeau: and the libcaca support is only through sdl, so you have to patch libsdl |
| 13:32.57 | ribnitz | I am using bind9 |
| 13:32.59 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: you must be missing a package.... |
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| 13:33.14 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: apt-cache search --names-only xfce4 |
| 13:33.32 | tarzeau | Covener: i just did apt-get install caca-utils and cacaview'ed some *.jpg |
| 13:33.46 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: is there a working one in sarge (xfce4)? |
| 13:34.01 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: only in sid |
| 13:34.07 | AvengerMoJo | anyone get usb printer? |
| 13:34.15 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: www.xfce.org does list updates for your sources.list file though |
| 13:34.17 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: no sarge yet ;( |
| 13:34.18 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> a lot of things, not xfce4-configure |
| 13:34.39 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: It isn't called xfce4-configure |
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| 13:35.20 | ElRaton | i installed -goodies, -utils, -... |
| 13:35.46 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: It should appear on the xfce4-panel |
| 13:35.57 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> wow, ok... |
| 13:36.06 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> i have it. and then, to use the debian menu, please ? :D |
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| 13:36.18 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: update-menus |
| 13:36.34 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> as user or root ? |
| 13:36.40 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: as you are now |
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| 13:36.51 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> ok, but nothing more append ? |
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| 13:37.18 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: no -- update-menus will only work if the package maintainer has a menu entry for it -- some don't, bear in mind. |
| 13:37.19 | vpb | ? |
| 13:37.45 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> but... in all the apps i installed, some have a menu entry ! |
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| 13:37.51 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> where is the menu please, now ? |
| 13:37.57 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: there you go then :) |
| 13:37.59 | the_bastard | hallo |
| 13:38.11 | thomas_adam | the_bastard: please change your nick. |
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| 13:38.21 | thomas_adam | the_bastard: and it is "hello" |
| 13:38.22 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> i don't find it :D |
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| 13:38.36 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: apt-get install menus |
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| 13:38.47 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> without s |
| 13:38.55 | thomas_adam | ok, no s then |
| 13:38.58 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> i did it, of course ;) |
| 13:39.09 | acrue | acceptabel already? |
| 13:39.15 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: su -c 'update-menus' |
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| 13:39.34 | acrue | quesiton about running vncserver on debian |
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| 13:39.50 | ElRaton | thomas_adam> i also did it |
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| 13:40.10 | mosty | acrue: no, questions usually end with a question mark |
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| 13:40.24 | acrue | mosty: :D smart |
| 13:40.24 | caro | hello |
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| 13:40.41 | thomas_adam | mosty: do they |
| 13:40.43 | thomas_adam | mosty: :) |
| 13:40.56 | acrue | thomas_adam: thank you!! |
| 13:41.00 | acrue | LOL |
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| 13:41.27 | ElRaton | i come back, 2 mins |
| 13:41.32 | caro | I currently have OpenOffice.org 1.0 and I want to upgrade to OpenOffice 1.1 |
| 13:41.33 | acrue | ok i have two questions for you linux geniuses :P |
| 13:42.11 | caro | I believe I need to remove the old OO.o first, correct? |
| 13:42.18 | thomas_adam | acrue: go on... |
| 13:42.26 | thomas_adam | caro: or put it on hold |
| 13:42.33 | mosty | caro, how did you install the old one? |
| 13:42.35 | caro | On hold? |
| 13:42.40 | thomas_adam | caro: nm |
| 13:42.43 | tarzeau | caro: no you don't |
| 13:42.52 | acrue | vncserver on debian with an XP client. when I log off, the viewer is still active with a desktop. Is this normal? |
| 13:42.53 | tarzeau | caro: can't you just upgrade? (i assume you're on sid?) |
| 13:42.59 | tarzeau | caro: at least that's what i did |
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| 13:43.26 | caro | It installed when I used knx-hdinstall from knoppix. |
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| 13:43.38 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 13:43.46 | caphuso | caro: /topic |
| 13:43.49 | tarzeau | caro: well you can try, but really #knoppix is special |
| 13:43.52 | mosty | caro: ask #knoppix for help then |
| 13:44.03 | oskie | what's wrong with your computer if you get no video signal, hear no POST beep but the hard drives spin up during start? |
| 13:44.08 | caro | When installed it is it is debian |
| 13:44.12 | tarzeau | caro: no |
| 13:44.23 | tarzeau | caro: it's a weird non-official debian if you install knoppix |
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| 13:44.40 | caro | #knoppix channel is more for people who are remastering cd's and stuff |
| 13:44.43 | acrue | oskie:memory or video card, wrong forum though :D |
| 13:44.48 | tarzeau | caro: it doesn't have nethack or jumpnbump either, anymore |
| 13:44.55 | tarzeau | caro: no that is not true |
| 13:45.04 | tarzeau | caro: did they tell that to you? |
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| 13:45.12 | ElRaton | no more menu :( |
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| 13:45.32 | tarzeau | ElRaton: apt-get install menu |
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| 13:45.36 | oskie | acrue: i know of no other IRC forum for this purpose :) oh well.. |
| 13:45.38 | caro | I'll try #knoppix again. Its been a few months since I was there. |
| 13:45.39 | ElRaton | tarzeau> i did !! |
| 13:45.44 | caro | ttfn |
| 13:46.09 | Sebulba02 | 50M, thats it? |
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| 13:46.24 | ElRaton | but where are the menu files please ? |
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| 13:47.51 | SquareRt | hi |
| 13:47.54 | SquareRt | I had a problem earlier.... I couldn't start new programs |
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| 13:48.00 | SquareRt | I couldn't log in to console (it just gave me another login: prompt every time I entered a username and hit enter) |
| 13:48.06 | tarzeau | ElRaton: dpkg -l menu |
| 13:48.06 | SquareRt | I logged out of X and it was unable to start again to display the login screen |
| 13:48.16 | SquareRt | I did ctrl+alt+delete a |
| 13:48.20 | thomas_adam | SquareRt: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 13:48.23 | ElRaton | ii menu 2.1.9-4 Provides update-menus functions for some app |
| 13:48.31 | SquareRt | I did ctrl+alt+delete at a terminal and it didn't run any of the shutdown tasks except TERM and KILL signals and then gave me a maintainance prompt, but wouldn't let me open a shell (i just kept dying until init wouldn't respawn it again) then it said nothing more in runlevel and I had to use the power switch |
| 13:48.43 | tarzeau | ElRaton: err dpkg -L menu |
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| 13:48.48 | thomas_adam | ElRaton: cf my previous comment that NOT ALL debian package maintainers provide a menus entry for their app |
| 13:48.49 | tarzeau | ElRaton: that will tell you where the files are |
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| 13:49.21 | ElRaton | tarzeau> thx |
| 13:49.29 | acrue | question: where can i get an updated list on packages for debian? |
| 13:49.44 | mosty | acrue, apt-get update |
| 13:50.44 | acrue | mosty:i mean one that i can view, sorry just had this system for 3 days.not really familiar with it. windows user :D |
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| 13:51.46 | pol__ | acrue: the web interface to the debian packages list is currently not working, that would be your best bet.. i don't know if there is a nice alternative, besides dselect, which is hideous to the new user. |
| 13:51.48 | tarzeau | acrue: apt-cache pkgnames |
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| 13:52.34 | tarzeau | acrue: in /var/lib/dpkg/available maybe |
| 13:53.06 | pol_ | anyone know how to have apt show you all of his findings at once? |
| 13:53.12 | pol_ | apt listkeys font |
| 13:53.21 | caphuso | pol_: you can't |
| 13:53.24 | pol_ | i want to see the whole list of 101, not the 15 shown |
| 13:53.32 | pol_ | oh please |
| 13:53.53 | pol_ | that is broken |
| 13:54.13 | caphuso | it's not |
| 13:54.20 | acrue | tarzeau: thanks.. |
| 13:54.30 | caphuso | it's hardly necessary to turn blootbot into a general search engine |
| 13:54.51 | zu22 | http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov <-- cool pics |
| 13:55.09 | tarzeau | zu22: http://www.thehun.net <-- cool pics |
| 13:55.13 | Nurbs | haha |
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| 13:55.14 | petemc | pol_: /msg the bot, and keep on asking the same question, it will get round to showing you them all eventually |
| 13:55.17 | maxb | heh |
| 13:55.22 | twistednerve | good morning |
| 13:55.26 | zu22 | tarzeau: :) |
| 13:55.53 | acrue | anybody here familair with the xbox-linux debian flavor? |
| 13:56.07 | tarzeau | acrue: their homepage has an irc server and channel with such people |
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| 13:56.55 | pol_ | i had heard of the linux on xbox, but was unaware of it being debian.. |
| 13:56.56 | batumi | what is bonzai ? is it a debian derivate or a complete debian distro ? |
| 13:56.59 | acrue | tarzeau:i know.been there.most of the time only newbies like me around |
| 13:57.17 | acrue | batumi:i'm running it now |
| 13:57.20 | tarzeau | pol_: it's not only based on debian, there's others too |
| 13:57.29 | tarzeau | pol_, acrue xbox-linux.sf.net |
| 13:57.39 | tarzeau | batumi: only another debian based one |
| 13:57.39 | batumi | acrue: is there a difference ? |
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| 13:57.52 | batumi | ok |
| 13:57.55 | tarzeau | batumi: yes debian is the best, the others loose quality |
| 13:57.59 | acrue | batumi:i wouldn't know.my first linux system and all. :D |
| 13:58.19 | twistednerve | tarzeau: quality? how do you mean? |
| 13:58.21 | mosty | acrue: dselect |
| 13:58.31 | acrue | batumi:but it is easy.i was pleasantly surprised. just getting around to installing packages |
| 13:58.36 | batumi | i tried woody but i was disappointed |
| 13:58.41 | batumi | perhaps sid ? |
| 13:58.46 | tarzeau | twistednerve: debian has quality assurance, most debian based distros don't |
| 13:58.52 | tarzeau | twistednerve: at least not how debian does |
| 13:59.00 | twistednerve | ah. |
| 13:59.02 | twistednerve | thx |
| 13:59.02 | tarzeau | batumi: yes try to upgrade to sid! |
| 13:59.08 | tarzeau | batumi: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 13:59.15 | tarzeau | batumi: you can network upgrade to it |
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| 13:59.44 | acrue | tarzeau:what usuful application would you recommend I try? |
| 14:00.04 | zu22 | batumi: try sarge (sid is unstable - ie expect more stuff to be broken) |
| 14:00.44 | tarzeau | acrue: to do what? |
| 14:01.06 | acrue | i don't know. give me anything? :D |
| 14:01.13 | tarzeau | acrue: i like cowsay |
| 14:01.27 | acrue | tarzeau:what does it do? |
| 14:01.29 | tarzeau | acrue: seriously try screen, nethack, caca-utils wmaker, gridlock |
| 14:01.35 | peterS | tarzeau: so long as you don't /exec -o cowsay around here, you're fine |
| 14:01.36 | tarzeau | acrue: www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ <- that here |
| 14:01.46 | tarzeau | peterS: i put urls to where it does cowthink :) |
| 14:01.47 | RelDrgn | if you use sarge, be sure to get security fixes from stable when they come out, sarge doesn't get them for days |
| 14:01.51 | tarzeau | peterS: you know i never flood |
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| 14:03.02 | zu22 | RelDrgn: huh, sarge (testing) merges in any security updates in the packages what do u mean? |
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| 14:03.31 | zu22 | RelDrgn: only woody and potato do that AFAIK (security line in sources.list) |
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| 14:03.57 | Hal9002 | hello |
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| 14:03.59 | TimLaptop | Been nearly 6 years since I last used Gnome.. I'm lovin' it. |
| 14:04.05 | Hal9002 | how can I find out what UID/GID my user has? |
| 14:04.13 | thomas_adam | Hal9002: echo $UID |
| 14:04.15 | zu22 | id |
| 14:04.19 | thomas_adam | Hal9002: or use "id $USER" |
| 14:04.20 | marcot | Hello. |
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| 14:04.30 | gnupg | Hihi all |
| 14:04.34 | twistednerve | ohla |
| 14:04.39 | gnupg | oops |
| 14:04.43 | marcot | Does anyone knows where I could find a tutorial about sound configuration in debian? |
| 14:04.52 | Hal9002 | thomas_adam ok it worked, but echo $GID gives a blank lline... is this normal? |
| 14:04.56 | RelDrgn | zu22: sarges policy is to not accept new packages until they've been in sid a while. |
| 14:05.05 | tarzeau | marcot: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 14:05.22 | eddnnee | i've been trying to install java re/sdk for some time now. i would like to use deb-packages. i've added mirrors so that a blackdown-version appears when i type apt-search. when i try to do apt-get install j2re, errmsg: no installation candidate. what am i doing wrong? |
| 14:05.25 | batumi | when will sarge pass stable ? |
| 14:05.31 | tarzeau | batumi: wir |
| 14:05.36 | tarzeau | apt wird |
| 14:05.38 | | tarzeau: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:05.38 | tarzeau | apt wir |
| 14:05.40 | | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 14:05.44 | Hal9002 | thomas_adam never mind, i found out thanks |
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| 14:06.03 | marcot | tarzeau: tanks. |
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| 14:06.45 | Chameleon21 | hello ladys, gentelman and the rest |
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| 14:07.06 | zu22 | RelDrgn: nod |
| 14:07.18 | bizkit | hi, is there another group file than /etc/gshadow or /etc/group ?? i can't find some needed entries of users in groups not listet there! |
| 14:07.54 | caphuso | bizkit: if you need them, then add them |
| 14:08.07 | RelDrgn | bizkit: then perhaps they dont exist? |
| 14:08.07 | TimLaptop | What's the proper way to change the gtk-1.2 theme in Gnome2 ? |
| 14:08.17 | bizkit | caphuso and RelDrgn thx. i |
| 14:08.26 | oskie | Gnome2 doesn't use gtk-1.2, does it? |
| 14:08.29 | tarzeau | TimLaptop: switch or switch2 ? |
| 14:08.30 | gnupg | I just got a huge problem, after i ran e2fsck (form tomsrtbt) on my root partion everything had been moved to lost+found, is where any way to repair this? |
| 14:08.36 | Covener | bizkit: primary groups are in /etc/passwd, that might be confusing you |
| 14:08.45 | tarzeau | gnupg: i feel sorry |
| 14:08.50 | caphuso | gnupg: everything? then restore your last backup |
| 14:08.52 | TimLaptop | tarzeau: switch ain't working right now for some reason.. "Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed." |
| 14:09.11 | oskie | tarzeau: the only way would be to move files from lost+found to their correct location |
| 14:09.12 | RelDrgn | gnupg: restore from backup or sit and figure out what the heck all those files used to be |
| 14:09.14 | TimLaptop | tarzeau: I guess I could apt-get source switch and figure it out |
| 14:09.32 | tarzeau | oskie: no it wasn't me, i only overwrote my inodes |
| 14:09.33 | gnupg | caphuso - do you ran backups on workstations? |
| 14:09.51 | caphuso | gnupg: of course |
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| 14:09.54 | oskie | gnupg: (sorry tarzeau, meant gnupg) the only way would be to move files from lost+found to their correct location |
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| 14:10.14 | viper2k | is there some linux app that can be compared to adobe premiere ? |
| 14:10.31 | batumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.31 | tarzeau | viper2k: screenshot of adobe premiere? |
| 14:10.32 | gnupg | oskie - are any scripts available to do this? |
| 14:10.37 | oskie | gnupg: not that I know of |
| 14:10.46 | viper2k | tarzeau adobe premiere .. prof video editing tool |
| 14:10.49 | acrue | tarzeau:anywhere else i can get packages? |
| 14:10.52 | TimLaptop | viper2k: There are tons of video editing applications.. but no huge Gimp-like one |
| 14:10.58 | batumi | viper2k: but try kino |
| 14:10.58 | tarzeau | acrue: get into sid! |
| 14:11.00 | caphuso | gnupg: yeah, look in the "real artificial intelligence" section |
| 14:11.12 | viper2k | batumi you worked with kino ? |
| 14:11.14 | tarzeau | viper2k: filmgimp ? |
| 14:11.16 | TimLaptop | viper2k: There is something called film gimp.. |
| 14:11.24 | gnupg | caphuso - ? |
| 14:11.24 | batumi | viper2k: there's cinderella too but i never tried this one |
| 14:11.32 | caphuso | gnupg: ! |
| 14:11.32 | acrue | tarzeau:sid? :D |
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| 14:11.40 | tarzeau | acrue: yes? |
| 14:11.43 | batumi | viper2k: yes, with kino you can do simple things |
| 14:11.52 | oskie | eventually gimp will have to be politically correct |
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| 14:12.04 | viper2k | gimp == photoshop right ? |
| 14:12.19 | tarzeau | viper2k: not really |
| 14:13.06 | mosty | viper2k: no |
| 14:13.10 | viper2k | tarzeau whats gimp exacly ? |
| 14:13.24 | peterS | viper2k: gimp is like photoshop, but does not have *all* the features |
| 14:13.26 | tarzeau | viper2k: apt-cache show gimp1.3 |
| 14:13.30 | zu22 | acrue why do u want to return to bondage? |
| 14:13.37 | Cabbage | Hello. Is there a tool which watches for modifications to files under Linux? |
| 14:13.39 | peterS | viper2k: it has enough photoshop features for 95% of users, probably |
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| 14:13.47 | zu22 | cabbage; tripwire |
| 14:13.56 | acrue | zu22:it's for my own sanity :D |
| 14:14.30 | Cabbage | zu22> No, I meant in real time |
| 14:14.37 | viper2k | yea ok .. but I`m looking something compared to premiere.. not photoshop .. editing still pictures is something different then editing motion pictures |
| 14:14.51 | zu22 | Cabbagge: u can have it contact u in various ways in real-time |
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| 14:15.29 | peterS | viper2k: despite what people will try to tell you, film gimp (now called 'cinepaint') is *not* for editing video. |
| 14:15.53 | peterS | viper2k: it's for still images, but is different from the gimp mainly in its capabilities for high color depths, which the film industry needed |
| 14:16.00 | viper2k | peterS and kino ?? is that something pro ?? or is it for editing sunday vacation filkms ? |
| 14:16.10 | Cabbage | zu22> No, I mean a mechanism to learn in real-time that a file is being modified. Tripwire is a batch process |
| 14:16.14 | peterS | viper2k: I don't know |
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| 14:16.39 | lebowski | Cabbage: there are file hooks you can use for doing that, check up clamav |
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| 14:16.45 | acrue | if i stay here long enough, will something eventually rub off on me? |
| 14:16.49 | viper2k | hmm guess debian is just not the platform to edit video heh... |
| 14:16.50 | acrue | :D |
| 14:17.05 | acrue | viper: mac |
| 14:17.07 | acrue | :D |
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| 14:17.20 | Cabbage | viper2k> Try http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 |
| 14:17.27 | viper2k | acrue hmm nah.. maccies suc.. you won`t find any in hollywood |
| 14:17.32 | viper2k | Cabbage thnx |
| 14:18.00 | peterS | viper2k: probably not. unless you can find a commercial application ported to Linux that does what you need, like premiere |
| 14:18.00 | zu22 | viper2k: why program do professionals use to edit video? |
| 14:18.00 | acrue | viper2k:silicon graphics? |
| 14:18.01 | zu22 | s/why/what |
| 14:18.08 | thomas_adam | zu22: |
| 14:18.10 | marcot | About sound, can you please give me that link again? |
| 14:18.22 | peterS | viper2k: then again, are there any free software apps for video editing under Windows? if not, why did you expect to find them under Linux? (: |
| 14:18.23 | tam9 | is the debian installer packed into the woody iso yet? |
| 14:18.26 | marcot | I lost it, because my x server shutted down. |
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| 14:18.38 | viper2k | cuz I work with my laptop which has windows.. but the hdd in it is so small :( .. so editing video is pretty hard then .. |
| 14:18.59 | zu22 | thomas_adam: eh? |
| 14:19.01 | Zapelius | Saw^, My dsl doesn't hold the line up |
| 14:19.24 | viper2k | peterS you always have the nice tryouts on windows :P |
| 14:19.31 | Cabbage | lebowski> Thanks. Found http://www.dazuko.org/ |
| 14:19.42 | skyweb | i'm on port 787/udp rpc.statd |
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| 14:19.55 | skyweb | can i delete him? |
| 14:19.59 | Saw^ | Zapelius Eikös Jippii oikein ruleta vai? |
| 14:20.07 | Cabbage | lebowski> I wonder how easy it would be to integrate with updatedb. Not very, I suspect, since the updatedb database is sorted and uses a sort of RLE scheme |
| 14:20.08 | peterS | viper2k: anyway, I'm guessing that advanced video editing is not something you can get with free software at this time. which leaves you at the mercy of the proprietary software companies. who probably don't care much about supporting Linux |
| 14:20.08 | skyweb | can i delete it? |
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| 14:20.26 | Saw^ | Zapelius, meitsi upgradee ja sammutin X:n varmuuden vuoks |
| 14:20.54 | Saw^ | Zapelius, Tää bitchx vaan ei oo oikein mun mieleen =/ |
| 14:20.58 | zu22 | Saw^: what language is that u speaking? |
| 14:21.21 | acrue | zu22:what i want to know as well. :D |
| 14:21.33 | viper2k | peterS brilliant conclusion.. and I guess ur right too... |
| 14:21.35 | orjan | zu22: that's finnish |
| 14:21.36 | acrue | bastardized japanese? |
| 14:21.38 | Saw^ | zu22 finnish |
| 14:21.42 | acrue | oh ok :D |
| 14:21.47 | zu22 | ahh |
| 14:21.55 | TimLaptop | Cabbage: There is a kernel module that hooks the file syscalls I think.. let me find it |
| 14:22.19 | lebowski | Cabbage: sounds like a silly thing to want to create anyway |
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| 14:22.55 | acrue | ok.anyone here can help me with network printing? |
| 14:23.00 | TimLaptop | Cabbage: Oh.. that Dazuko thing looks like it has a kernel module. Never seen that one before. Time to read about it... |
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| 14:23.23 | lebowski | Cabbage: also see http://la-samhna.de/samhain/ |
| 14:23.32 | Cabbage | lebowski> Arguably. But it's a way to keep locate's database up-to-date without heavily loading the system. |
| 14:24.07 | Zapelius | Saw^, since re-flashing and upgrading the firmware on my dsl box, i'm not able to dhcp-get the ip more than once. I have to reset&reconfigure the dsl-box every time if I lose my IP :) |
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| 14:25.22 | Chameleon21 | is any one running PostgreSQL 7.4.x here ? and if so, how can i get it to log to a custom log file rather then sys log, i tryed everything i could think of and nothing :( |
| 14:25.37 | Caspan | is there any way to make fetchmail accept mail even though the headers are screwed up? |
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| 14:26.12 | Caspan | i get errors all the time becasue of SPAM i jsut want it downloaded and run throug my local mail to deal with that |
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| 14:29.08 | peterS | Caspan: your errors are probably on the POP / IMAP server. as such, I'm guessing there's not much fetchmail can do about them |
| 14:29.35 | peterS | Caspan: in other words, my guess is that you need a more robust POP or IMAP server |
| 14:29.46 | Caspan | well im using fetchmail to receive external mail from 4 other pop3 mail servers |
| 14:30.09 | Caspan | but if there is somthing wrong with the headers fetchmail wont download it |
| 14:30.43 | peterS | if there is something wrong with the headers, your POP server might be bugging out. if that's the case there's not much fetchmail can do. this is just a guess on my part. but how do you know it's fetchmail screwing up? |
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| 14:31.01 | marcot | How do I make to load some kernel modules and make them be load at boot time? |
| 14:31.19 | peterS | marcot: edit /etc/modules |
| 14:31.24 | Caspan | Becaseu if i use my mail program (outlook) to download it i have no problem |
| 14:31.25 | peterS | marcot: and use 'modprobe' to load things right now |
| 14:31.26 | marcot | peterS: tanks. |
| 14:31.33 | marcot | peterS: ok. |
| 14:31.59 | DelEat | :) |
| 14:32.35 | peterS | Caspan: ah, so fetchmail *is* the one screwing up. I asked because I've seen crap pop servers before that do this sort of thing |
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| 14:33.00 | peterS | Caspan: I assume outlook *is* using pop? as opposed to, say, the Exchange protocol? |
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| 14:33.39 | Caspan | peterS: yeh i was told cause its checking the headers for correct content kind of like a filter so that you dont download SPAM and i was wondering how to take off that filter |
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| 14:33.48 | Caspan | POP |
| 14:34.17 | DelEat | apt tell philot about root |
| 14:34.37 | peterS | DelEat: I think apt automatically does that when it says 'root has landed' |
| 14:34.53 | DelEat | peterS: think you're probably right - thought of that after typing ;-) |
| 14:34.59 | Hal9002 | which is the best way to create a mailing list on a system with a courier MTA? |
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| 14:35.25 | DelEat | Caspan: iirc fetchmail doesn't filter at all, just grabs and then you can let procmail filter... |
| 14:35.49 | zu22 | is there a static version of ldd to show me which libraries were compiled into a binary? |
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| 14:36.36 | peterS | zu22: ldd is already static |
| 14:36.37 | gnupg | Are any net install _floppies_ available? |
| 14:36.50 | peterS | zu22: that is, it's a shell script that invokes /lib/ld-linux.so.2, which is static |
| 14:36.51 | caphuso | gnupg: /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:36.57 | linuxfreck | zu22: I don't think that'S possible |
| 14:37.09 | zu22 | peterS: i meant when i try to run ldd on a statically compiled binary it tells me: not a dynamic executable |
| 14:37.14 | peterS | zu22: oh, you mean to tell you which *static* libraries are compiled into a binary. |
| 14:37.22 | zu22 | peterS: ah ok |
| 14:37.24 | peterS | zu22: like linuxfreck says, you can't do that - the information is not saved |
| 14:37.28 | zu22 | peterS: yes WHICH :) |
| 14:37.32 | guido^pe | What can I do to make the X-Server not get a nice-value of -10 automatically on startup? |
| 14:37.45 | zu22 | peterS: ok thx anyways |
| 14:37.46 | DelEat | gnupg: get the rescue.bin + root.bin, and the 10 (?) driver disks, and you should be set |
| 14:37.48 | caphuso | guido^pe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 14:37.50 | peterS | zu22: you can try 'nm' and 'nm --dynamic' to see if there is a list of symbols in the binary |
| 14:37.55 | guido^pe | thx |
| 14:38.02 | peterS | zu22: the list of symbols might give you clues as to the libraries included |
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| 14:39.16 | zu22 | peterS: i will try that thanks |
| 14:39.26 | JohnnyS | hi |
| 14:39.46 | peterS | zu22: good luck - if the binary has been 'strip'ed, nm won't help you. and if it's staticly linked, I think even 'nm --dynamic' won't help |
| 14:40.06 | zu22 | peterS: k :) |
| 14:40.14 | batumi | framebuffer is activated by default on debian |
| 14:40.15 | batumi | ? |
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| 14:40.23 | marcot | Hello. I have loaded the module of my soundboard, but it still don't work. When I use something like xmms, it doesn't give any error message and looks like if it was playing normally, but I hear no sound. |
| 14:40.27 | peterS | batumi: yes |
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| 14:40.48 | peterS | marcot: install and run a mixer application such as 'aumix'. chances are your volume levels are at 0 |
| 14:41.00 | batumi | peterS: do you know if iot's possible to modify the logo ? |
| 14:41.01 | marcot | peterS: I'll do it. Thanks. |
| 14:41.03 | zu22 | peterS: hey cool, i just saw that 'strings foo.bin |grep lib' gave me some useful info :) |
| 14:41.18 | JohnnyS | If I run rsync with -qaogpzrl and a file chnges size but the date is the same will rsync uppdate the file then? |
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| 14:41.38 | peterS | batumi: not without recompiling. The GIMP has a plugin for saving an image in the header file format used in the kernel source for the logo |
| 14:41.49 | batumi | ok |
| 14:42.04 | peterS | batumi: (you'll have to check the gimp website for this plugin, I'm pretty sure it's not included in the main distribution) |
| 14:42.11 | batumi | ok |
| 14:42.18 | batumi | i'll try that |
| 14:42.30 | batumi | i can ind a tutorial on the net perhaps ? |
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| 14:42.41 | CAiRO | is there a way to stop libwnck apps to move the pointer around on the screen? |
| 14:42.49 | thomas_adam | redrick: You about? |
| 14:43.01 | peterS | batumi: the plugin should include some information on where to put the image file in the kernel source. I don't remember details |
| 14:43.17 | JohnnyS | I am asking this about rsync becouse I read that samba dose not uppdate the dates on a file if the owner is some other person. |
| 14:43.32 | batumi | peterS: thx anyway |
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| 14:43.57 | asg | thomas_adam: hiya, sorry I missed you last night |
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| 14:44.07 | fgh | hi |
| 14:44.19 | fgh | how can i look for the current X Resolution? |
| 14:44.26 | asg | fgh: xdpyinfo |
| 14:44.27 | thomas_adam | asg: no worries |
| 14:44.40 | caphuso | you don't know or you don't need to know? |
| 14:45.18 | ljlane | JohnnyS, it's easy enough to test. You can set the file date with touch. |
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| 14:48.11 | johannes23 | hi, is there any new way one is supposed to format the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list ? It does no longer work for me with the standard sources since that new gpg-stuff moved on in. |
| 14:48.54 | zu22 | that http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation page is great, wish he also did a "Linux as a Server" page too :) heh does Gurkan hang out here in #debian? |
| 14:49.04 | caphuso | zu22: tarzeau |
| 14:49.26 | tarzeau | zu22: Gürkan with u-umlaut, no server page |
| 14:49.39 | ljlane | johannes23: what new gpg stuff is that? |
| 14:49.41 | tarzeau | zu22: thank you someone is working on a greek translation |
| 14:49.43 | zu22 | <tarzeau: ah :) hey maybe u can do a Linux as Server page (wink) :) good job |
| 14:50.00 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool i will tell me greek friend |
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| 14:52.30 | zu22 | tarzeau: did u design that gnumeditation.gif image yourself? |
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| 14:52.38 | tarzeau | zu22: no |
| 14:52.46 | zu22 | tarzeau: i like it |
| 14:53.00 | tarzeau | zu22: however i made all banners at http://apt-get.mine.nu/ |
| 14:53.17 | zu22 | tarzeau: i see many different penguin logos, i want to make my own, do u know where i can find a nice sized blank linux penguin? |
| 14:53.38 | tarzeau | zu22: google pictures, google, no idea |
| 14:53.53 | zu22 | tarzeau: k |
| 14:53.54 | Nurbs | haha |
| 14:54.11 | tarzeau | zu22: take playboy photos and make penguin tattoos on the flesh, that's nice |
| 14:54.13 | Nurbs | tarzeau: I like the No XFree86 4.2.0? No KDE3? one :) |
| 14:54.21 | tarzeau | Nurbs: yeah that's the best :) |
| 14:54.25 | zu22 | tarzeau: hehe! |
| 14:54.29 | ljlane | zu22: lwn.net has a large penguin graphic gallery |
| 14:54.41 | zu22 | tarzeau: i don't wish to excite my audience too much ;) |
| 14:54.45 | Nurbs | tarzeau: I also like the windowmaker girl, I think I've got the full pic somewhere, heh ;) |
| 14:54.48 | tarzeau | Nurbs: do you remember the time when they popped in |
| 14:54.51 | zu22 | ljlane: great thx! |
| 14:55.00 | tarzeau | Nurbs: and they said: why does debian not have xfree 4.2.0 |
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| 14:55.16 | tarzeau | and they also whined about kde 3 is out long ago, why can't i have it with debian |
| 14:55.21 | perb | anyone experiences long pauses between getty respawns under linux 2.6.0? |
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| 14:56.01 | Nurbs | tarzeau: good old days :) |
| 14:56.01 | johannes23 | ljlane: well it downloads some Release.gpg-file and it tries to tell my that the packages I downloaded can not be trusted |
| 14:56.33 | felix | hi, do you have any ideas howto boot from network with a non-pxe bios of a pcmcia-nic-only laptop only with floppy-drive attached (no hd)? thanks in advance |
| 14:56.44 | ljlane | johannes23: oh. Is theat the apt from testing or something? |
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| 14:57.11 | johannes23 | ljlane: I believe unstale |
| 14:57.15 | johannes23 | unstable |
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| 14:58.20 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to configure my usb mouse. so that I can make it work? |
| 14:58.29 | zu22 | i have no /etc/sudoers file can i create it myself (yes i have sudo installed) |
| 14:58.41 | thomas_adam | zu22: visudo |
| 14:58.42 | johannes23 | ljlane: and it does work with such repositories as the kde3.2cvs-deb-rep. at deb http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian/ unstable/ |
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| 14:58.52 | zu22 | thomas_adamm: k |
| 14:59.14 | thomas_adam | zu22: I have this in mine.... |
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| 14:59.26 | thomas_adam | zu22: %sudorun ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 14:59.36 | hyksos | can i store video films from a video-camera on my pc? with which tools and in which format will it be saved? |
| 14:59.49 | thomas_adam | zu22: addgroup sudorun && adduser $USER sudorun |
| 14:59.51 | ljlane | johannes23, strange. I saw no change here. The unstable version of apt hasn't been modififed for signatures. |
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| 15:00.08 | thomas_adam | zu22: then add apps to the sudorun group (chown foo.sudorun) |
| 15:00.10 | XinmingLai | anyone would help me plz? |
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| 15:00.32 | zu22 | thomas_adam: cool~ thx |
| 15:00.37 | thomas_adam | zu22: yw |
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| 15:01.13 | felix | XinmingLai: under X? |
| 15:01.16 | Deanocide | does anyone know if libgdk has a doc pakcage? |
| 15:01.37 | XinmingLai | It will show no such device while I cat < /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:06.22 | Steph[eN] | is /dev/ttyS0 the name for the first serial port? |
| 15:06.22 | felix | XinmingLai: rm /dev/input/mice && mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 15:06.23 | zu22 | netsplit? |
| 15:06.23 | thomas_adam | Steph[eN]: yes |
| 15:06.23 | c | my frakin name |
| 15:06.23 | c | stop sayin it |
| 15:06.23 | thomas_adam | zu22: transering of users from one server to another |
| 15:06.23 | thomas_adam | zu22: while retaining their connection |
| 15:06.23 | XinmingLai | ok,bbl |
| 15:06.23 | asg | zu22: routing adjustment |
| 15:06.23 | Steph[eN] | then i don#t understand why i cant "talk" with my mobile |
| 15:06.23 | XinmingLai | felix: Ok,bbl |
| 15:06.23 | zu22 | tarzeau: i just saw the woody-holycow-debian.jpg haha! |
| 15:06.24 | zu22 | asg /thomas_adam: ahh |
| 15:06.24 | felix | hi, do you have any ideas howto boot from network with a non-pxe bios of a pcmcia-nic-only laptop only with floppy-drive attached (no hd)? thanks in advance |
| 15:06.24 | thomas_adam | felix: maybe |
| 15:06.24 | c | thomas_adam how does it do that? |
| 15:06.24 | thomas_adam | c: magic |
| 15:06.24 | felix | please tell me thomas_adam |
| 15:06.24 | thomas_adam | felix: awww |
| 15:06.24 | c | thomas_adam tell |
| 15:06.24 | c | please |
| 15:06.24 | Steph[eN] | any possibility to test the connection? |
| 15:06.24 | thomas_adam | c: I have no idea, truth be known |
| 15:06.24 | XinmingLai | felix: Still the problem |
| 15:06.24 | *** part/#debian mosty (mostynm@skol.horny-viking.org) |
| 15:06.24 | XinmingLai | I ever make it work.But don't know why,I failed this time |
| 15:06.24 | c | thomas_adam YOU LIE THEN |
| 15:06.24 | felix | XinmingLai: stop gdm, do you want to use it under X? new kernel? |
| 15:06.25 | c | HOW COULD THEY DO IT@@@ |
| 15:06.25 | c | impossible |
| 15:06.25 | thomas_adam | c: I sit down, as it happens |
| 15:06.25 | felix | XinmingLai: ih gpm i menat |
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| 15:06.25 | c | unless the IRC proto |
| 15:06.25 | c | has evil stuff |
| 15:06.25 | XinmingLai | felix:I installed gpm |
| 15:06.25 | XinmingLai | felix: I have done it. |
| 15:06.25 | thomas_adam | XinmingLai: make it act as a repeater then (gpmconfig) |
| 15:06.25 | asg | c: what's your problem? |
| 15:06.26 | thomas_adam | XinmingLai: /dev/gpmdata as mouse protocol |
| 15:06.26 | felix | please tell me thomas_adam, how would you boot over network? grub doesn't support pcmcia nics |
| 15:06.26 | caphuso | XinmingLai: /dev/gpmdata has mouse device |
| 15:06.31 | caphuso | s/has/as/ |
| 15:06.42 | thomas_adam | is there an echo in here? |
| 15:06.45 | XinmingLai | felix: I think I should tell you something about my computer.There is another mouse connect to the ps2 |
| 15:06.56 | caphuso | thomas_adam: can't see one |
| 15:07.09 | thomas_adam | caphuso: That's alright then ;) |
| 15:07.14 | XinmingLai | felix: and the one which connect to the ps/2 is ok |
| 15:07.26 | caphuso | thomas_adam: an echo generally tends to repeat, not correct |
| 15:07.30 | marcot | I'm having a error with reportbug. |
| 15:07.44 | thomas_adam | caphuso: as in monotones? |
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| 15:07.48 | marcot | It's saying that _ascii_lower() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) |
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| 15:08.04 | marcot | So I just can't run it. |
| 15:08.25 | XinmingLai | felix: But not the one connected to usb.And the /dev/mouse is right.It works for me.But not the /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:09.21 | felix | XinmingLai: does the usb mouse get detected by the kernel? i.e. grep input /var/log/syslog |
| 15:09.37 | caro | n |
| 15:09.47 | zu22 | tarzeau: can i get copy of your you.cgi script? |
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| 15:09.56 | felix | thomas_adam: you said you had an idea for booting over network? |
| 15:10.04 | tarzeau | zu22: try you.txt |
| 15:10.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: that worked! danke |
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| 15:10.56 | Kraig | felix: that sounds cool, coz i don't like very much TFTP |
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| 15:12.00 | XinmingLai | felix: Yes,that is was found |
| 15:12.06 | skermajo | is anyone here succesfully using alsa in the 2.6 kernel with xmms working? |
| 15:12.11 | XinmingLai | felix: that was* |
| 15:12.29 | Covener | skermajo: yes, no difficulty |
| 15:12.36 | felix | Kraig: well, i'd like to boot over pxe, which normally fetches over tftp, but i can't pxe boot, or is it possible to boot into a new linux with linux running? |
| 15:12.46 | baz_ | skermajo: yup |
| 15:12.54 | felix | maybe i should just fetch a new bios |
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| 15:13.23 | skermajo | Covener: doh. that's what i was afraid of. I can hear the noise when i adjust volumes (static), but xmms with alsa as configured output doesn't give me any sound!! . . i'll have to see what i've done wrong |
| 15:13.33 | quant | what language is used to write scripts? |
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| 15:13.54 | caphuso | quant: what car is used to drive? |
| 15:14.05 | quant | what is usually used? |
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| 15:14.16 | caphuso | quant: what ar is usually used? |
| 15:14.19 | caphuso | s/ar/car/ |
| 15:14.19 | skermajo | baz_: hmm .. ok. did you have to get alsa-utils or anything, or just compile alsa into the kernel and tell xmms to output to alsa ? |
| 15:14.41 | baz_ | skermajo: yup, just chose alsa (with oss emul) and installed the xmms alsa plugin |
| 15:14.44 | quant | caphuso: ... |
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| 15:14.46 | caphuso | quant: i can go on as long as you like, you better ask a sane question |
| 15:14.52 | Deanocide | how do you get a GtkWindow? |
| 15:14.56 | Deanocide | sorry GdkWindow |
| 15:15.07 | skermajo | baz_: ok thanks. must have done something really stupid. thanks for the help |
| 15:15.08 | Deanocide | I already have a GtkWindow |
| 15:15.16 | Covener | skermajo: doublecheck your alsa mixer settings in a mixer? |
| 15:15.48 | skermajo | Covener: yeah |
| 15:16.06 | baz | skermajo: np, good luck |
| 15:16.17 | skermajo | Covener: xmms looks like it's playing (i.e. visuals going, but no sound coming out |
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| 15:16.46 | baz | skermajo: alsa mixer defaults volume to 0 sometimes |
| 15:16.47 | XinmingLai | felix: you still there plz? |
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| 15:17.13 | Kraig | felix: did you read all the documentations in the how-tos, they're pretty big, seems cool, but maybe you can give your opinion |
| 15:17.30 | Covener | skermajo: maybe try alsamixergui and make sure master and pcm are non-zero and have 'green' speaker icons |
| 15:17.55 | quant | ok, capitol, i have: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 4 15:16 hi why when i login with another user (default) and "rm -rf hi" it deletes it? |
| 15:17.56 | felix | XinmingLai: sorry gotta fix my own stuff |
| 15:18.05 | quant | caphuso i mean |
| 15:18.13 | skermajo | Covener: thanks. i'll look at it. i'll also look at my boot logs and kernel conf to make sure all is well |
| 15:18.20 | Covener | quant: directory writable by the other user? |
| 15:18.23 | XinmingLai | felix: Ok,doesn't matter,thanks very much all the same. |
| 15:18.31 | quant | Covener: by root |
| 15:18.37 | quant | oh, i don't know |
| 15:18.37 | skermajo | Covener: thanks for the help! but i think it's up to me to go research what the hell i've done :) thanks again |
| 15:18.41 | quant | i didn't think it was |
| 15:18.41 | XinmingLai | anyone could help me with my problem of my usb mouse plz? |
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| 15:20.11 | RealMurphy | Hi there, I've got a brief question about MailScanner. I just set it up and it seems to work quite fine with a test virus, but when outputting stuff to the second exim4 process it tries to write the file into a non-existent directory under input |
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| 15:20.38 | quant | Covener: do you know why? |
| 15:20.47 | Covener | quant: is it writable? |
| 15:20.48 | RealMurphy | config seems to be fine (at least to me), but it tries to write to /var/spool/exim4_out/input/9/1Ad9t9-00048c-Lz-D and fails miserably |
| 15:20.56 | peterS | quant: *parent* directory writable by the other user. in that case, 'rmdir' will succeed even though the dir in question is not writable |
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| 15:21.12 | Covener | quant: unless you turn on the sticky bit on the dir (mah chmod, search for sticky) that's the way things work |
| 15:21.16 | peterS | quant: unless the parent also has the sticky bit, which I won't get into |
| 15:21.16 | quant | peterS: where's the security in that? |
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| 15:21.31 | quant | i see |
| 15:21.34 | peterS | quant: you just have to understand how unix security works |
| 15:21.37 | quant | sticky? never heard of that |
| 15:21.44 | quant | thanks guys |
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| 15:21.56 | peterS | quant: in order to delete or rename a file, you have to have write access to the dir the file is in. not to the file itself. |
| 15:22.08 | Covener | quant: see the behaviour in /tmp, which has it flipped on |
| 15:22.19 | quant | yes, peterS i understand that |
| 15:22.24 | peterS | quant: if the dir has the sticky bit (chmod 1xxx) set, then you *also* have to be the owner of the file |
| 15:22.44 | quant | i created a directory with root, logged in with another normal user and deleted the dir, i didn't think you would be able to do that |
| 15:22.54 | quant | that's good |
| 15:22.59 | peterS | quant: anyway, if you have write access to a dir (and it's not sticky), then you can 'rmdir' any subdir that is in there, just like you can 'rm' or 'mv' any file in it |
| 15:23.14 | quant | i see i see |
| 15:23.20 | quant | so, this "1" makes it sticky? |
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| 15:23.27 | peterS | quant: the 1000 bit, yes. |
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| 15:23.37 | peterS | quant: so instead of 'chmod 777' use 'chmod 1777'. |
| 15:23.40 | quant | are there any other numbers lioke that? |
| 15:23.45 | skermajo | anyone know an IM client that will work with MSN besides amsn ? |
| 15:23.46 | peterS | quant: do "ls -ld /tmp" and you'll see the sticky bit |
| 15:23.52 | quant | k |
| 15:23.55 | Sebulba02 | skermajo: gaim |
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| 15:23.56 | peterS | quant: /tmp should show "rwxrwxrwt" - note the "t" at the end |
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| 15:24.13 | quant | i see |
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| 15:24.17 | rinmak | hi, i have a linux box acting as a router to the internet |
| 15:24.17 | rinmak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.18 | quant | what does "t" stand for? |
| 15:24.18 | peterS | quant: two other permission bits are 2000 and 4000 - setgid and setuid, respectively |
| 15:24.22 | skermajo | Sebulba02: does gaim support the new protocol ? |
| 15:24.24 | peterS | quant: "sticky" |
| 15:24.28 | quant | k |
| 15:24.30 | rinmak | how many active tcp connections that box is routing at any given time? |
| 15:24.35 | Sebulba02 | skermajo: I believe so |
| 15:24.41 | rinmak | sorry about the bad paste :\ |
| 15:24.48 | skermajo | Sebulba02: ok thanks for the help! |
| 15:24.48 | Caspan | how do i add a service to all the rc.# files what is the command again? |
| 15:24.54 | peterS | quant: "man 2 chmod" for details (: |
| 15:24.57 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 15:25.03 | quant | thanks peterS |
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| 15:25.08 | thomas_adam | Caspan: update-rc.d |
| 15:25.17 | Caspan | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 15:25.26 | thomas_adam | Caspan: yw |
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| 15:26.06 | rinmak | not spamming, just a better paste this time.... |
| 15:26.09 | rinmak | hi, i have a linux box acting as a router to the internet for the rest of my lan, does anybody know if its possible to find out how many active tcp connections that box is routing at any given time? |
| 15:26.28 | thomas_adam | rinmak: lsof |
| 15:26.36 | quant | peterS: it make the file: drwxr-xr-t |
| 15:26.54 | rinmak | thomas_adam: what would i grep it for? |
| 15:27.02 | peterS | quant: that's 1755. not world-writable. if you don't have global write access on a dir, the sticky bit isn't very useful |
| 15:27.03 | quant | why has the x removed from the end? and i could still delete the dir |
| 15:27.14 | marcot | Can anyone please help me with reportbug? I'm thinking it's a python error. |
| 15:27.27 | thomas_adam | quant: setGID |
| 15:27.27 | peterS | quant: the x isn't removed, it's just displayed as "t" to indicate that both world-execute and sticky are set |
| 15:27.29 | marcot | It gives 3 errors, |
| 15:27.35 | rinmak | thomas_adam: that still just shows connections the machine made itself |
| 15:27.37 | peterS | quant: if you have sticky but *not* world-execute, it will show up as "T" |
| 15:27.38 | marcot | all about charset. |
| 15:27.42 | thomas_adam | rinmak: hmm |
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| 15:28.30 | peterS | quant: as for why you can delete a dir, you misunderstand - it's the *parent* of the dir which has to be writable, and sticky, and all that. 'rmdir' doesn't care about the permissions of the dir you are removing. |
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| 15:28.41 | rinmak | thomas_adam: ide say itd be somethin like wc -l'ing a /proc file |
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| 15:28.56 | thomas_adam | rinmak: umm, doubtful |
| 15:28.59 | rinmak | thomas_adam: but no idea which, ive looked thru /proc/net |
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| 15:29.24 | quant | peterS: let me make sure i am not doing anything wrong. i goto /home/quant with root and create a "hi" directory, and chmod 1755 hi. then i login with quant, goto /home/quant and rm -rf hi and it's gone. i did something' wrong? |
| 15:29.28 | quant | i see |
| 15:29.31 | Phobo | marcot: Report your self, "reportbug" is the deb, package, program. To report |
| 15:29.32 | xpato | from where i can listen radio whith xmms? |
| 15:29.36 | jameson | Hi! is there a debian package for decompressing MacOS 'bin' packages? |
| 15:29.42 | quant | so i have 1xxx /home? |
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| 15:29.53 | peterS | quant: no, that's normal behavior. the user owns /home/quant, therefore he can delete any file or directory in it. |
| 15:29.54 | thomas_adam | jameson: apt-cache search |
| 15:30.05 | quant | damn.. |
| 15:30.09 | thomas_adam | peterS: :) You having fun there? |
| 15:30.14 | peterS | quant: since the user owns /home/quant, setting it sticky won't help, since the user can just chmod it back again |
| 15:30.17 | peterS | thomas_adam: oh, great fun |
| 15:30.17 | marcot | Phobo: but I'm trying to use it, and it gives a lot of errors. I'm thinking that maybe is because of the charset. |
| 15:30.22 | DerBadejunge | can I download the whole debian mirror bye apt with download only ?? |
| 15:30.25 | thomas_adam | peterS: what happens if I do: chmod -R 000 $HOME |
| 15:30.31 | peterS | quant: unless you want to chown /home/quant to root or something, so that the user can't change it |
| 15:30.32 | thomas_adam | peterS: Do I break it? |
| 15:30.52 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 15:30.55 | peterS | thomas_adam: you can always chmod 700 $HOME again, if that's what you're asking |
| 15:31.07 | rinmak | thomas_adam: /proc/net/ip_conntrack w0000t |
| 15:31.08 | thomas_adam | peterS: I'm just trolling...ignore me :) |
| 15:31.19 | quant | peterS: what i am trying to do is create a script to add users for my ftp server, and have it automatically mount drives and stuff to give them the access they are allowed. i wanted to keep it inside home, since it's where the users are based.. |
| 15:31.22 | DerBadejunge | guys any answer |
| 15:31.23 | DerBadejunge | ? |
| 15:31.27 | peterS | quant: the other way to make sure the user cannot rmdir a directory is to put a file in it. if the directory is non-empty, rmdir will fail. |
| 15:31.31 | thomas_adam | quant: chroot it then |
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| 15:31.36 | peterS | quant: but the user can still *rename* the dir |
| 15:31.55 | quant | hmm |
| 15:32.25 | peterS | quant: if you don't want users to be able to delete or rename a dir, your best option is to have the parent (/home/quant) owned by root, and sticky, and with group-write access for the user-specific group. |
| 15:32.41 | peterS | quant: that is: chown root:quant /home/quant; chmod 1775 /home/quant |
| 15:33.13 | Caspan | im tryin to start the fetchmail daemon and i get the error that it failed and when i looked into syslog there is nothign there |
| 15:33.21 | Caspan | how can i tell why it failed to start |
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| 15:33.48 | caphuso | peterS: i think the user quant would like to own his own home directory himself |
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| 15:33.51 | necro | hi |
| 15:34.06 | peterS | caphuso: that's fine. but it's incompatible with wanting to put a subdirectory in there that he can't delete or rename. |
| 15:34.12 | necro | im using kde 3.1.4 but i dont have tabbed browsing in my konqueror?? :D how do i turn it on? |
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| 15:34.14 | quant | caphuso: it's only a ftp account |
| 15:34.15 | necro | again, the version is 3.1.4 |
| 15:34.16 | necro | :D |
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| 15:34.25 | peterS | caphuso: you can't have it both ways, in unix |
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| 15:35.01 | necro | anyone has any idea? |
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| 15:35.20 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:36.06 | caphuso | quant: why would you want to disallow someone from using his ~ as he sees fit? |
| 15:36.16 | J_P | people, i compile kernel 2.6-test11 in my woody, and my soundo not run more... and i compile as [*] in OSS menu!! |
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| 15:36.30 | thomas_adam | J_P: apt-get install aumix |
| 15:36.33 | J_P | other cause, modules now extension is .ko ? |
| 15:36.37 | quant | caphuso: i just told you why |
| 15:36.50 | quant | plus i am not enabling ssh so what do they care |
| 15:36.56 | peterS | J_P: yes, "kernel object". I think I was the first one to suggest that suffix, actually (: |
| 15:36.57 | J_P | thomas_adam yes, befere with 2.4 i use aumix too.. |
| 15:37.16 | thomas_adam | peterS: woo |
| 15:37.19 | J_P | peterS why ko ? |
| 15:37.40 | caphuso | quant: you didn't |
| 15:37.54 | peterS | J_P: to distinguish between an ordinary object file (.o) and a kernel module, which is not really the same thing even though it does use object file format |
| 15:37.58 | thomas_adam | peterS: rm -rf is "rm reall, fast", yes? ;) |
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| 15:38.31 | quant | caphuso: you seem to |
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| 15:39.41 | plugwash | thomas_adam rm -rf is remove recursive force |
| 15:39.43 | caphuso | quant: what the hell is the real problem you are trying to solve? |
| 15:39.52 | quant | caphuso: it's already solved |
| 15:39.56 | peterS | plugwash: I *think* he knows that (: |
| 15:39.56 | thomas_adam | plugwash: nevermind |
| 15:40.14 | caphuso | quant: i'm fairly certain that there's a better solution |
| 15:40.35 | quant | caphuso: i could just put it all into another directory |
| 15:40.45 | caphuso | quant: what's "it", god damnit? |
| 15:40.58 | quant | caphuso: you need to chill |
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| 15:41.11 | plugwash | you do have to be very carefull when useing rm -rf as root |
| 15:41.21 | thomas_adam | plugwash: really? |
| 15:41.25 | peterS | quant: yes but your users would have to have some way to get to that other directory. if you make a symlink in $HOME they could still sabotage your plan by removing or renaming the symlink. if you're trying to protect stupid users from themselves, which is what it sounds like, then what I suggested earlier is probably your best bet |
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| 15:41.30 | Caspan | Why when i type reboot why it tells me that command is not found? is there a path file that didnet get read |
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| 15:41.55 | caphuso | Caspan: because you don't have /sbin in your $PATH? |
| 15:41.57 | peterS | Caspan: /sbin isn't in your path, apparently. it should be, if you're root. |
| 15:41.57 | quant | peterS: yes, the latter |
| 15:42.00 | Gathond | Caspan: /sbin is probably nok in your PATH |
| 15:42.23 | Caspan | what file whould hold that information to say that /sbin is in |
| 15:42.26 | peterS | Caspan: and if you're not root, then it doesn't matter, since 'reboot' won't work anyway |
| 15:42.26 | caphuso | you can't protect stupid users from themself |
| 15:42.32 | Caspan | i am root |
| 15:42.48 | kzar | How do i stop my pc booting into a graphical login? |
| 15:42.53 | thomas_adam | Caspan: echo $PATH |
| 15:42.56 | sussudio | ~tell kzar about nodm |
| 15:43.00 | caphuso | kzar: apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm login.app |
| 15:43.30 | Caspan | ok so how do i add it to the path? |
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| 15:43.40 | thomas_adam | Caspan: ;) |
| 15:43.44 | Fulcrum99 | How do I avoid webmin being root? |
| 15:43.51 | nion | How the hell do I set the time on my box? |
| 15:43.52 | thomas_adam | Caspan: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 15:43.54 | tam9 | is it still the 2.2.x kernel for woody? |
| 15:44.02 | Sebulba02 | nion: man date |
| 15:44.05 | caphuso | nion: ntpdate, ntpd, date, rdate |
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| 15:44.20 | marinos | kzar: change id:3:initdefault: to id:2:initdefault: in /etc/inittab |
| 15:44.20 | caphuso | tam9: it's one of the choices, yes |
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| 15:44.29 | J_P | thomas_adam zion:~# aumix |
| 15:44.29 | J_P | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 15:44.29 | J_P | zion:~# |
| 15:44.29 | caphuso | marinos: bah, shut up |
| 15:44.36 | Caspan | ok well how did that get changed? |
| 15:44.38 | caphuso | marinos: this is #debian. not #redhat or #suse |
| 15:44.39 | thomas_adam | J_P: lsmod |
| 15:44.46 | tam9 | caphuso: so is there a 2.4.x release on the newest release of woody? |
| 15:44.51 | Caspan | is it cause a config did not get read in? |
| 15:44.54 | J_P | zion:~# lsmod |
| 15:44.55 | J_P | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 15:44.55 | J_P | lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 15:45.00 | J_P | zion:~# |
| 15:45.07 | marinos | caphuso ?? |
| 15:45.14 | thomas_adam | J_P: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 15:45.15 | tam9 | http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual does not tell me much] |
| 15:45.15 | streuner | J_P: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 15:45.23 | thomas_adam | streuner: faster! |
| 15:45.23 | tam9 | release notes are just as useless |
| 15:45.28 | streuner | J_P: woody? |
| 15:45.30 | caphuso | tam9: of course. do you really think they would have removed the 2.4 kernel from the third release after having it in the first two? |
| 15:45.34 | caphuso | marinos: !! |
| 15:45.36 | thomas_adam | backports.org, J_P |
| 15:45.37 | J_P | streuner yes |
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| 15:45.42 | streuner | thomas_adam: no, iam your echo :-) |
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| 15:45.48 | thomas_adam | streuner: ha ha |
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| 15:46.00 | tam9 | caphuso: i don't know. why would the default choice be 2.2 then? |
| 15:46.00 | J_P | thomas_adam i find module-init-tools in woody, then i not need backports right ? |
| 15:46.05 | streuner | J_P: apt-get.org and find a backport |
| 15:46.15 | thomas_adam | J_P: yes, get the backport |
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| 15:46.29 | caphuso | tam9: because it is the default choice and has always been the default choice, and you don't just change default choices in a stable release |
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| 15:46.37 | Caspan | it seems like my .bashrc file is not being read in |
| 15:46.47 | Caspan | how do i make sure that it got read in? |
| 15:46.59 | paulswm | Caspan: man bash |
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| 15:47.03 | tam9 | caphuso: when 2.4 has become stable i reckon it is time to change, especially if it is the 3rd release candidate |
| 15:47.04 | streuner | argh |
| 15:47.05 | J_P | thomas_adam module-init-tools installed!! |
| 15:47.13 | thomas_adam | J_P: depmod -a |
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| 15:47.19 | caphuso | tam9: you reckon wrong. go learn how the debian development cycle works |
| 15:47.22 | peterS | Caspan: bash reads either ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc, depending on whether it's a login shell or not. if you do "source ~/.bashrc" inside your ~/.bash_profile, problem solved. |
| 15:47.23 | J_P | thomas_adam read |
| 15:47.47 | J_P | thomas_adam ready |
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| 15:47.49 | tam9 | caphuso: i'm not arguing that you are wrong. i am arguing about how crap it is. |
| 15:47.54 | thomas_adam | J_P: modprobe -a |
| 15:48.04 | J_P | zion:~# modprobe -a |
| 15:48.05 | J_P | Usage: modprobe [--verbose|--version|--config|--remove] filename options |
| 15:48.05 | J_P | zion:~# |
| 15:48.05 | caphuso | tam9: troll somewhere else |
| 15:48.13 | Caspan | peterS: i dont have a bash_profile woudl that be my problem? |
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| 15:48.24 | karolina | hello |
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| 15:48.28 | streuner | J_P: modprobe work |
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| 15:48.32 | peterS | Caspan: create one, with the single line "source ~/.bashrc". problem solved. |
| 15:48.35 | tam9 | caphuso: i'm not trolling. if i don't troll. i am pointing otu _my_ opinion |
| 15:48.44 | J_P | streuner what ? |
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| 15:48.49 | tam9 | s/if// |
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| 15:49.03 | sussudio | Lennart: vind je 1 niet genoeg? |
| 15:49.04 | J_P | streuner and thomas_adam soory my is sid and not woody!! :-) |
| 15:49.18 | J_P | i not remember hehe |
| 15:49.20 | thomas_adam | J_P: |
| 15:49.22 | thomas_adam | J_P: ? |
| 15:49.26 | caphuso | tam9: you're calling the way debian works for 10 years now "crap" without giving anything about why it is crap and without showing that you actually understand the implications involved. that's trolling, in my dictionary |
| 15:49.26 | J_P | thomas_adam yes ? |
| 15:49.27 | streuner | J_P: run 'dpkg -l libc6' and tell us the output. |
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| 15:49.29 | fgh | any there with a desknote and sid? |
| 15:49.40 | karolina | none of my gtk2 applications sees my truetype fonts (while gtk1.2 and else have no problems with these fonts) |
| 15:49.41 | Steph[eN] | anybody used FUSE or SieFS |
| 15:49.42 | sussudio | ~tell fgh about polls |
| 15:49.44 | Steph[eN] | ? |
| 15:49.48 | J_P | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 15:49.49 | J_P | zion:~# |
| 15:49.51 | karolina | i suppose it is a problem of pango |
| 15:49.53 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 15:49.55 | thomas_adam | that's ok |
| 15:50.02 | J_P | thomas_adam above! |
| 15:50.09 | tam9 | caphuso: OK we have different opinions about trolling then. |
| 15:50.09 | karolina | did anyone encounter such a problem? |
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| 15:50.35 | thomas_adam | J_P: cat /etc/modules |
| 15:50.42 | quant | is there a user that's like just an ordinary user? |
| 15:50.43 | marinos | tam9: the piont is why should somebody use 2.2 and not 2.4 |
| 15:50.47 | thomas_adam | quant: nobody |
| 15:50.50 | quant | thanks |
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| 15:50.53 | Lennart | sussudio: gnome session start elk process uit je vorige sessie 3x .. ik heb hier 20 Eterms staan :P |
| 15:50.56 | kzar | The thing to stop it booting into x worked, my only other question is, how do i set which windowmanager starts when i type startx? |
| 15:51.06 | thomas_adam | kzar: ~/.xsession |
| 15:51.07 | tam9 | marinos: i was just thinking why the default was 2.2 and not 2.4 |
| 15:51.10 | asg | kzar: /msg dpkg wm |
| 15:51.15 | kzar | ok |
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| 15:51.21 | marinos | tam9: there must be a reason |
| 15:51.35 | caphuso | tam9: the only thing you have shown so far is that you're too stupid or lazy to read the release notes and install guide, so there's not a lot of reason why anyone should treat you other than that |
| 15:51.42 | fgh | http://www.winischhofer.net/ || does anyone use this driver? |
| 15:51.43 | thomas_adam | kzar: "export WINDOW_MANAGER=$(which <wm>) && exec $WINDOW_MANAGER" |
| 15:51.43 | J_P | thomas_adam af_packet |
| 15:51.46 | tam9 | marinos: yes. i agree there. i just don't think it is goood IMO |
| 15:51.52 | quant | thomas_adam: can't you chown nobody and root together? |
| 15:52.01 | thomas_adam | quant: chown nobody.root |
| 15:52.05 | tam9 | caphuso: err i was reading the release notes that have not been updated for rc3 |
| 15:52.12 | thomas_adam | quant: "root" is also a group |
| 15:52.21 | quant | yes |
| 15:52.22 | Spider210 | How do I point apache to the httpd.conf file??? |
| 15:52.32 | paulswm | tam9: caphuso gave you the reason. If you understand normal IT release management, you wouldn't have even asked the question |
| 15:52.34 | thomas_adam | Spider210: httpd -f /etc/httpd.conf |
| 15:52.36 | caphuso | tam9: only a few security fixes have been made |
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| 15:53.24 | tam9 | OK since i reckon am gonna be banned shortly for not agreeing i will shut up |
| 15:53.33 | paulswm | tam9: if you make changes to a release apart from bug and secirity fixes, then it's a new release |
| 15:53.33 | thomas_adam | Spider210: but your question is meaningless, since httpd will use the default configuration file |
| 15:53.41 | Spider210 | hmm |
| 15:53.45 | tam9 | paulswm: yes i agree. |
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| 15:53.53 | karolina | hey guys, won't anybody help me? |
| 15:54.02 | thomas_adam | ~tell karolina about ask |
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| 15:54.07 | Spider210 | Well WHM wants to use one and apache tring to use another |
| 15:54.10 | paulswm | tam9: ok, then that answers your question abut kernel default |
| 15:54.21 | thomas_adam | Spider210: see my penultimate reply. |
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| 15:54.25 | J_P | thomas_adam look above out of cat /etc/modules ? |
| 15:54.26 | karolina | thomas_adam: i've already asked the question and nobody answered it |
| 15:54.28 | DerBadejunge | what has to be inside my kernel to whatch a VCD ???? |
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| 15:54.32 | thomas_adam | karolina: try again |
| 15:54.44 | paulswm | karolina: maybe no-one knows the answer |
| 15:54.45 | peterS | asg: heh |
| 15:54.48 | streuner | DerBadejunge: nothing |
| 15:54.48 | thomas_adam | J_P: no no -- which soundcard do you have? |
| 15:54.58 | karolina | okay then. my gtk2 applications do not see most of my fonts |
| 15:55.02 | tam9 | karolina: ask again. someone may not have seen it |
| 15:55.11 | quant | thomas_adam: i want to chown a directory so that anyone can read and write, but root can rwx. |
| 15:55.11 | J_P | thomas_adam Intel 810, is one notebook |
| 15:55.20 | thomas_adam | karolina: EXPORT GDK_ENABLE_XFS=0 |
| 15:55.24 | karolina | and i think it is a matter of pango, but dunno what to change |
| 15:55.26 | karolina | ahh |
| 15:55.30 | J_P | thomas_adam and with 2.4 is ok, i only modprobe i810_audio and ok :-) |
| 15:55.30 | karolina | i'll give it a try |
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| 15:55.36 | quant | thomas_adam: i tried : chown root:nobody /data/dir |
| 15:55.41 | thomas_adam | J_P: I have the same as you -- it uses the ac97 chipset |
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| 15:55.45 | DerBadejunge | streuner: thank you |
| 15:55.51 | paulswm | quant: man chmod |
| 15:55.51 | karolina | i'll be right back. |
| 15:55.55 | asg | quant: create a group, put your users in the group and chown root:group (and chmod with correct perms) |
| 15:56.04 | thomas_adam | quant: chown nobody.root /data/dir |
| 15:56.21 | quant | thomas_adam: if i do that it wont let me create a dir as a user |
| 15:56.32 | thomas_adam | quant: groupadd <gname> && adduser $USER gname |
| 15:56.35 | streuner | DerBadejunge: as long you are able to access the drive... |
| 15:56.42 | J_P | thomas_adam yes... 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:56.56 | thomas_adam | J_P: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel |
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| 15:57.19 | DerBadejunge | streuner: i am. but: i build a vcd from tv by transcode mplex and vcdimager. but the image was about 716mb und my cd has only 700. so the end of the film is missing :( |
| 15:57.32 | DerBadejunge | streuner: which programm failed its job ? |
| 15:57.37 | Covener | DerBadejunge: that should be fine for vcd if you're writing it correctly |
| 15:58.01 | streuner | DerBadejunge: take an 800MB CD |
| 15:58.02 | DerBadejunge | k3b said it was successful |
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| 15:58.09 | DerBadejunge | thx streuner :P D: |
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| 15:58.23 | DerBadejunge | but xine stops playing by an I/O error |
| 15:58.29 | fissh | hi, does any body knows where i can find the gdesklest aplication for my gnome? |
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| 15:58.47 | caphuso | DerBadejunge: did k3b burn it correctly? if you mount the CD, what do you see on it? |
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| 15:58.56 | J_P | thomas_adam ok |
| 15:59.01 | colde86 | is nfs-common needed for nfs-client ?? |
| 15:59.01 | streuner | DerBadejunge: sound like an defect in the media, HD? |
| 15:59.03 | Covener | DerBadejunge: did you feed it a cue or toc file to burn? |
| 15:59.08 | asg | fissh: apt-cache search gdesklets |
| 15:59.09 | thomas_adam | cd sound/oss |
| 15:59.14 | J_P | thomas_adam zion:/lib/modules/2.6.0-test11/kernel# pwd |
| 15:59.15 | thomas_adam | J_P: cd sound/oss && ls |
| 15:59.20 | J_P | /lib/modules/2.6.0-test11/kernel |
| 15:59.35 | DerBadejunge | caphuso: well i can mount it and there are 3 dirs with on with the "*.dat" |
| 15:59.35 | knoppix | hey all... anyone know of a program which allows me to view a webcam which is being broadcast from msn messenger? |
| 15:59.36 | streuner | colde86: think so |
| 15:59.37 | fissh | i cant find any with apt -cache |
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| 15:59.47 | J_P | thomas_adam i not have oss dir. |
| 15:59.47 | thomas_adam | fissh: apt-cache search |
| 15:59.49 | karolina | okay |
| 15:59.53 | karolina | that didn't help |
| 15:59.53 | Covener | DerBadejunge: do you still have to .toc or .cue? |
| 15:59.58 | DerBadejunge | Covener: yes i did it |
| 16:00.00 | thomas_adam | J_P: did you statically compile OSS in the kernel then? |
| 16:00.01 | colde86 | streuner :: agrr... |
| 16:00.11 | DerBadejunge | every thing was ok but xine :-) |
| 16:00.11 | J_P | thomas_adam yes |
| 16:00.14 | karolina | thomas_adam: that didn't help |
| 16:00.16 | streuner | colde86: it changes the depends, dunno yet, but /msg depends nfs-(user,kernel-client will tell you |
| 16:00.21 | thomas_adam | karolina: ask in #bash |
| 16:00.25 | DerBadejunge | Covener: i have it yes |
| 16:00.27 | thomas_adam | J_P: ah... |
| 16:00.32 | J_P | thomas_adam ? |
| 16:00.38 | Covener | DerBadejunge: is the data track mode1_raw? |
| 16:00.38 | streuner | colde86: /msg dpkg depends pkg |
| 16:00.40 | karolina | thomas_adam: bash? it is a gtk2 problem |
| 16:00.50 | thomas_adam | J_P: I need to see your /boot/config-$(uname -r) file |
| 16:00.53 | thomas_adam | karolina: trust me :) |
| 16:01.00 | DerBadejunge | Covener: shall i open the toc by vi ? |
| 16:01.06 | Covener | DerBadejunge: sure |
| 16:01.07 | J_P | thomas_adam one moment i put in one http ok |
| 16:01.09 | karolina | thomas_adam: okay. i'll try ;) |
| 16:01.12 | thomas_adam | J_P: thanks |
| 16:01.13 | thomas_adam | karolina: ;) |
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| 16:01.34 | DerBadejunge | Covener: damnit i erased it :-) |
| 16:01.50 | asg | fissh: if you are using woody, backport it from (/msg dpkg simple sid backport); If using testing, the sid package will likely work |
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| 16:02.00 | Covener | DerBadejunge: what tool did you use to create it? |
| 16:02.03 | DerBadejunge | so what shall i browse for when it is rebuild ? |
| 16:02.05 | maco | is anywhere any listing of packages on particular CD ? if I want pure installation for router if CD1 is enough |
| 16:02.11 | DerBadejunge | well. vcdimager |
| 16:02.26 | DerBadejunge | i still have that command |
| 16:02.29 | DerBadejunge | :-) |
| 16:02.40 | colde86 | streuner :: is there a way to copy package that have more as the maximum of the floppy-size on floppy (tar ...) |
| 16:02.49 | fissh | may be could be the /etc/apt/sources.list, but i cant find gdesklest in may Sid debian |
| 16:03.01 | J_P | thomas_adam http://www.jp.gegnet.com.br/tmp/kernel/config-2.6.0-test11 |
| 16:03.03 | DerBadejunge | Covener: but my image is on rebuilding |
| 16:03.09 | caphuso | maco: get a netinst ISO or floppies and do a netinstall |
| 16:03.17 | asg | colde86: man split |
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| 16:03.46 | thomas_adam | J_P: thanks |
| 16:03.46 | streuner | asg: if the package itself is NOT bigger than the floppy-size... |
| 16:03.53 | maco | caphuso but where can I get netinst minicd? the link on debian.org iz nost valid |
| 16:03.54 | Covener | DerBadejunge: should have something in there about being 2352 instead of 2048 |
| 16:04.01 | maco | s/nost/not |
| 16:04.16 | streuner | asg: split wouldn't split the package itself |
| 16:04.37 | peterS | Covener: 2352? that's for audio CDs. I thought VCDs used something between 2048 and 2352. |
| 16:04.38 | Covener | DerBadejunge: that should let you fit a .bin of around 800mb on an 80min/700mb cdr |
| 16:04.40 | caphuso | maco: google.com |
| 16:04.43 | thomas_adam | J_P: you haven't configured your kernel correctly ;) |
| 16:04.55 | J_P | thomas_adam i think yes :-) |
| 16:05.00 | tam9 | ~netinstall |
| 16:05.05 | | somebody said netinst was a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
| 16:05.05 | asg | streuner: hmmm, I misunderstood what he wanted to do then; my apologies |
| 16:05.05 | J_P | thomas_adam i make as in 2.4.22 |
| 16:05.05 | maco | caphuso be more specific about the filename or? please |
| 16:05.29 | streuner | colde86: what size does it have? |
| 16:05.33 | DerBadejunge | Covener: great :-) plese shorten all your speach to one sentence howto :-) plz plz :D |
| 16:05.56 | thomas_adam | J_P: in your file.... |
| 16:05.58 | colde86 | streuner :: a little bit more than floppy -sitze .. |
| 16:06.08 | streuner | !info nfs-kernel-server |
| 16:06.13 | dpkg | nfs-kernel-server: (Kernel NFS server support), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
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| 16:06.25 | thomas_adam | J_P: make-kpkg clean && make menuconfig |
| 16:06.26 | streuner | colde86: which package? |
| 16:06.35 | caphuso | maco: how frigging hard is it to put "debian netinst ISO" into the search phrase input field and hit enter? |
| 16:06.35 | maco | apt thankx but the link is invalid..anyway..thanks |
| 16:06.35 | | maco: my pleasure |
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| 16:06.51 | Moose- | Anyone here recommend a specific mail-list software? |
| 16:06.55 | Hayldric | what directory has the apt database in it? |
| 16:06.58 | thomas_adam | Moose-: mailman |
| 16:07.06 | maco | caphuso nevermind |
| 16:07.08 | caphuso | Moose-: smartlist is nice if you know procmail |
| 16:07.09 | colde86 | streuner :: gcc |
| 16:07.13 | streuner | colde86: you are able to store more than 1,44 MB on a floppy |
| 16:07.16 | peterS | Hayldric: /var/cache/apt/*.bin is the cached copy |
| 16:07.23 | Hayldric | peterS: ty |
| 16:07.25 | peterS | Hayldric: /var/lib/apt/ has the original downloaded files |
| 16:07.25 | DerBadejunge | peters so which variable to use for a vcd for which entry ???? |
| 16:07.28 | Moose- | caphuso: hmmm, ok |
| 16:07.30 | colde86 | streuner ::how |
| 16:07.30 | streuner | colde86: you have only to format it right |
| 16:07.32 | Moose- | thomas: I shall check it out |
| 16:07.35 | shawarma | What's the tool called that you can use to tell Debian, that you've actually installed a java-virtual-machine (ie. a non-debian-packaged one), so that all the dependencies are allright? |
| 16:07.36 | peterS | Hayldric: /var/lib/dpkg/status is the file with your installed packages status |
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| 16:07.38 | colde86 | streuner :: how |
| 16:07.40 | karolina | thomas_adam: was it supposed to be a joke? nobody even answered me, as i suspected. |
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| 16:07.42 | asg | streuner: equivs |
| 16:07.48 | asg | grr |
| 16:07.53 | asg | shawarma: equivs |
| 16:07.53 | J_P | thomas_adam exactly |
| 16:08.00 | thomas_adam | karolina: no, no joke. Your question got answered there yesterday |
| 16:08.01 | shawarma | asg: Right! Thanks a lot! |
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| 16:08.07 | Hayldric | k. thanks all. |
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| 16:08.16 | thomas_adam | J_P: now... |
| 16:08.22 | thomas_adam | J_P: find the sound section again |
| 16:08.26 | J_P | thomas_adam make menuconfig & make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=teste.2.0 kernel-image |
| 16:08.32 | J_P | thomas_adam ok |
| 16:08.33 | Covener | peterS: 2324 is the amt of data but not the value that appears in the cue I believe |
| 16:08.34 | asg | shawarma: fake packages already exist for woody; for sid and sarge, read the docs in the java-common package |
| 16:08.46 | karolina | thomas_adam: well, it looks nobody is interested in helping me there... do you know what is the problem? |
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| 16:08.47 | peterS | Covener: you know better than I. I have zero experience with VCDs |
| 16:09.04 | thomas_adam | karolina: yes, I just cannot remember the exact variable name to export -- google for it |
| 16:09.19 | elephantman | In what language should be written little system scripts ? |
| 16:09.25 | thomas_adam | elephantman: Ruby |
| 16:09.33 | DerBadejunge | Covener: so what shall i do now ? i just mixed up all thos differenzlanguage information |
| 16:09.34 | asg | elephantman: bash, Perl |
| 16:09.35 | karolina | thomas_adam: okay, thank you then. |
| 16:09.37 | DerBadejunge | :-) |
| 16:09.39 | Gnea | elephantman: bash, perl |
| 16:09.42 | karolina | thomas_adam: :) |
| 16:09.42 | colde86 | streuner :: how ... |
| 16:09.45 | thomas_adam | asg: pfff, perl! |
| 16:09.47 | elephantman | Gnea: ok thanx |
| 16:09.50 | J_P | thomas_adam ok |
| 16:09.52 | elephantman | asg: ok thanx |
| 16:09.52 | asg | thomas_adam: bleh! ruby |
| 16:09.56 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.56 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.57 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.01 | thomas_adam | J_P: no no |
| 16:10.04 | elephantman | thomas_adam: i'll check this one thanx |
| 16:10.04 | thomas_adam | J_P: do not paste |
| 16:10.06 | Gnea | J_P: keep that in #flood please |
| 16:10.10 | streuner | colde86: just read 'man superformat' |
| 16:10.13 | J_P | ok ok sorry!! |
| 16:10.16 | thomas_adam | J_P: I am doing this from memory |
| 16:10.21 | colde86 | streuner :: ... |
| 16:10.22 | Covener | DerBadejunge: so when you open the cue file in k3b or whatever, does it tell you the disk is too small? |
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| 16:10.30 | Spider210 | How come after my site has been finally working for about 30 min ... ALl of the sudden I try to goto the site and it says "you are downloading from bleh.com file /" |
| 16:10.31 | shawarma | asg: I know, it wasn't really for java-virtual-machine, that was just the easiest way to explain it, I guess. |
| 16:10.44 | asg | shawarma: then equivs is what you need |
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| 16:10.46 | J_P | thomas_adam what i need do now ? |
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| 16:10.51 | drz | does anybody here know a mirror of blade's XFS installer disks? |
| 16:10.52 | Gnea | Spider210: running apache? |
| 16:10.54 | Spider210 | yes |
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| 16:11.02 | shawarma | asg: Right. Thank you very much!< |
| 16:11.09 | asg | shawarma: you're welcome |
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| 16:11.14 | DerBadejunge | Covener: no it doesn`t it just told me that it was succesful, but the video stops @ the end |
| 16:11.17 | Gnea | Spider210: that's an apache config issue, check #apache |
| 16:11.31 | thomas_adam | J_P: you need support for ac97, and ICH |
| 16:11.32 | Spider210 | hmm nothing has been changed |
| 16:11.34 | anxia | can anybody help me to patch the kernel?? |
| 16:11.37 | thomas_adam | Spider210: ? |
| 16:11.55 | Spider210 | I mean no file changes have been changed |
| 16:12.01 | Spider210 | It just happened I guess over time |
| 16:12.04 | Gnea | anxia: what do you need to know? |
| 16:12.05 | streuner | colde86: man fdformat |
| 16:12.14 | thomas_adam | Spider210: you're not giving me much information to go on here |
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| 16:12.38 | anxia | Gnea: how to aplply it, i think im doing it wrong |
| 16:12.38 | Spider210 | Want the site address to see what I am talking about? |
| 16:12.44 | Covener | DerBadejunge: you are playing it as a vcd, correct? |
| 16:12.46 | thomas_adam | Spider210: if you likw |
| 16:12.49 | J_P | thomas_adam ok, but how i do sound card support ? [*] or [M] ? |
| 16:12.55 | Spider210 | http://www.onestop-hosting.net |
| 16:13.02 | Gnea | Spider210: you might try backing up your config files, removing apache altogether (don't forget to --purge) and reinstall it |
| 16:13.04 | asg | anxia: generally, cd /usr/src/linux ; {bz,z}cat ../patchfile | patch -p1 (assuming patch is in /usr/src) |
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| 16:14.00 | Spider210 | Also would you know the file cPanel and WHM config file is? Because when it creates accounts it uses the httpd.conf file in /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf |
| 16:14.01 | DerBadejunge | Covener: yes i am playing that way in xine |
| 16:14.02 | Gnea | anxia: uncompress the patchfile, cd /usr/src/linux ; patch -p1 < /path/to/diff.patch |
| 16:14.02 | anxia | asg: ok, it worked, im stupid, thank u |
| 16:14.08 | Gnea | anxia: depends also how the patchfile was made |
| 16:14.11 | asg | anxia: no worries, you're welcome |
| 16:14.12 | thomas_adam | J_P: * |
| 16:14.14 | Covener | DerBadejunge: sure the .bin is complete? |
| 16:14.15 | thomas_adam | J_P: all * |
| 16:14.18 | Gnea | ah cool |
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| 16:14.23 | Covener | DerBadejunge: on your hard disk, that is |
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| 16:14.48 | anxia | do anybody use LM-SENSORS with kernel2.4.23 succesfully?? |
| 16:14.57 | Gnea | anxia: yes |
| 16:15.10 | J_P | thomas_adam have below two menus: 1 Advanced Linux Sound Architecture and 2 Open Sound System. What menu i use ? |
| 16:15.35 | Gnea | i2c-core.o: i2c core module version 2.8.2 (20031211) |
| 16:15.47 | Caspan | what are these DCOP files in my users home dirs? |
| 16:15.47 | Spider210 | gnea how would i purge the remove |
| 16:16.00 | Gnea | dpkg --purge |
| 16:16.00 | dpkg | Gnea: i don't know |
| 16:16.04 | thomas_adam | J_P: try both |
| 16:16.05 | Gnea | dpkg --purge apache |
| 16:16.05 | dpkg | Gnea: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:16.07 | asg | Caspan: some KDE required stuff iirc |
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| 16:16.13 | anxia | Gnea: how yo did it? the i2c-source pkg from debian?? |
| 16:16.28 | DerBadejunge | Covener: well vcdimager told me that it is complete. but how can i check this and what do i have to modify in the toc ? |
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| 16:16.41 | Gnea | anxia: i used the stock kernel tarball (not the debianized version) and patched it with 2.8.2 (and usagi) |
| 16:16.52 | Covener | DerBadejunge: your video player can probably play it directly, make sure it goes on as long as you think it should |
| 16:17.08 | anxia | ok, im gonna try |
| 16:17.29 | anxia | gooooodbye |
| 16:17.37 | Caspan | ok i have place my profile file back in my home dir but i still dont get the reboot or shutdown command i am running as root. I though the profile file was for KDE so i removed it |
| 16:18.07 | DerBadejunge | Covener: sorry? didn`t understand |
| 16:18.15 | caphuso | Caspan: did you do silly things like adding/replacing /root/.bash{rc,profile}? |
| 16:18.43 | Caspan | caphuso: yes |
| 16:18.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:18.54 | Covener | DerBadejunge: You can probably play the .bin directly with xine. See if the video ends at the right time that way (the version on your hard drive, not cd) |
| 16:19.06 | Spider210 | Gnea seems to be working again - Thanks |
| 16:19.07 | caphuso | Caspan: great. then undo whatever you did |
| 16:19.15 | Caspan | i use to use X and kde and i was removing all the extra junk |
| 16:19.16 | Gnea | Spider210: cool np |
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| 16:19.28 | Caspan | the problem is that i removed the files |
| 16:19.37 | J_P | thomas_adam i not find AC97 |
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| 16:19.50 | Caspan | i replaced them with the skel files but those are for local users not admins |
| 16:19.54 | Gnea | Caspan: hint: debian will never install anything to your home dir with apt |
| 16:19.55 | peterS | J_P: don't worry about that, the ICH driver will select that automatically |
| 16:19.56 | DerBadejunge | Covener: ok thank you i`ll try when its is build ready :D and what was that about the toc edit ? |
| 16:20.16 | J_P | peterS ok |
| 16:20.25 | Caspan | Gnea it will if your installing KDE casue you get all your KDE pref files and mail dirs and junk |
| 16:20.34 | caphuso | Caspan: then you need to manually fix them so that they are usable by root. it's mainly your PATH setting |
| 16:20.43 | Gnea | Caspan: which KDE sets up, not apt. |
| 16:20.49 | caphuso | Caspan: and stop messing with things you don't understand |
| 16:20.52 | Spider210 | Damnit Gnea |
| 16:20.54 | Caspan | Gnea: ahh ok |
| 16:20.56 | Spider210 | Its doing it again |
| 16:21.02 | Spider210 | Once I upload a file |
| 16:21.06 | Spider210 | It seems to do this |
| 16:21.08 | Gnea | Spider210: what's the url again? |
| 16:21.15 | Spider210 | http://www.onestop-hosting.net/ |
| 16:21.19 | Caspan | caphuso: hey thats how i learn now i know what those files are for lol |
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| 16:21.24 | Covener | DerBadejunge: i was curious what your .cue looked like, but if you madeit w/ vcdimager I assume it's ok |
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| 16:21.33 | J_P | peterS where menu i get out SMP ? |
| 16:21.40 | Gnea | aaah |
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| 16:21.57 | Gnea | Spider210: that sucks dude - definately an apache config issue, have you asked in #apache yet? |
| 16:22.04 | Spider210 | ya |
| 16:22.05 | J_P | peterS i find :-) |
| 16:22.08 | Spider210 | no one talks in there |
| 16:22.08 | Spider210 | lol |
| 16:22.08 | peterS | J_P: "processor type and features" |
| 16:22.18 | Gnea | yeah they are a buncha losers... j/k heh |
| 16:22.41 | J_P | thomas_adam i compilling again kernel ok |
| 16:22.42 | asg | Spider210: that's because today is Sunday and on Sunday's, there are very few things worth saying in here |
| 16:22.45 | Covener | Spider210: you have AddHandler server-parsed .shtml |
| 16:22.52 | Covener | Spider210: doh, ^^ in httpd.conf? |
| 16:22.54 | DerBadejunge | Covener: well. what could be wrong with xine? u know vcdimager was ok and k3b was ok so wheres the error ? :D |
| 16:23.05 | Covener | between keyboard and chair :( |
| 16:23.09 | Gnea | DerBadejunge: have you tried mplayer? |
| 16:23.29 | thomas_adam | J_P: :) |
| 16:23.31 | DerBadejunge | Gnea: well thx :D I`ll try :D which commandline ? ;D |
| 16:23.48 | Gnea | DerBadejunge: did i studder? |
| 16:24.30 | DerBadejunge | Gnea: i did right now but didn`t even play |
| 16:24.40 | Gnea | DerBadejunge: and maybe i missed something... you're trying to view the contents of the .bin file? |
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| 16:24.59 | Spider210 | Where would I find that |
| 16:25.00 | DerBadejunge | no, i`ll try to view the vcd by mplay :D |
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| 16:25.14 | J_P | thomas_adam you know where sarge is release as stable ? |
| 16:25.26 | peterS | !sarge pool |
| 16:25.26 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 16:25.35 | peterS | J_P: ^^^ |
| 16:25.44 | J_P | peterS what ? |
| 16:25.55 | peterS | J_P: that's when sarge will be released as stable |
| 16:26.07 | Gnea | !sarge bet |
| 16:26.07 | dpkg | To add a bet to the sarge pool: !sarge pool =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/, or if "sarge pool" is full, try "sarge pool 2" instead |
| 16:26.24 | peterS | !sarge pool 2 |
| 16:26.24 | dpkg | sarge pool 2 is probably ! Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 16:26.32 | Spider210 | Covener: Whats the line to add to the httpd.conf ??? |
| 16:26.32 | AP | how do i upgrade QT? |
| 16:26.53 | Gnea | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! Gnea=2004-06-06/ |
| 16:26.53 | dpkg | Gnea: that's too long |
| 16:27.01 | hoxu|uni | peterS, evil way of waking me up |
| 16:27.07 | peterS | hoxu|uni: hehe |
| 16:27.11 | J_P | AP apt-get install qt3 ? |
| 16:27.13 | Gnea | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! Gnea=2004-06-06/ |
| 16:27.13 | dpkg | Gnea: OK |
| 16:27.20 | Gnea | !sarge pool 2 |
| 16:27.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge pool 2 is ! Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 16:27.23 | hoxu|uni | peterS, I bet that evilness was on purpose, too |
| 16:27.31 | hoxu|uni | !electocute Gnea |
| 16:27.31 | J_P | peterS but have many dates... what is correct ? |
| 16:27.33 | peterS | hoxu|uni: yes. I just happen to hate you |
| 16:27.44 | peterS | J_P: mine. 'sarge pool' lists it. |
| 16:27.45 | Gnea | ~lart hoxu|uni |
| 16:27.45 | AP | J_P: tried that |
| 16:27.48 | AP | eal: Couldn't find package qt3 |
| 16:28.11 | AP | eal: Couldn't find package qt |
| 16:28.15 | AP | 3... |
| 16:28.21 | asg | peterS: does he grep for his name and fire off a sound sample yelling 'Wake Up! They need me!' ? |
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| 16:28.36 | hoxu|uni | ~hurt Gnea |
| 16:28.40 | | ACTION hits Gnea with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha! |
| 16:28.46 | Gnea | llama. |
| 16:28.46 | peterS | asg: probably. maybe he just has it beep on his name, like I do |
| 16:28.50 | J_P | AP apt-get install qt3-dev-tools |
| 16:29.15 | peterS | asg: (no, I don't have it beep on 'hoxu'.) |
| 16:29.22 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 16:29.28 | AP | qt3-dev-tools is already the newest version. |
| 16:29.32 | AP | but its not.. |
| 16:29.34 | asg | maco[A]: turn that off please |
| 16:29.35 | DerBadejunge | is it possible to "download" only a debian mirror ? |
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| 16:29.58 | peterS | DerBadejunge: a debian mirror is something like 80 GB. are you sure you want to download one? |
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| 16:30.09 | J_P | AP what version you want ? |
| 16:30.11 | caphuso | DerBadejunge: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:30.16 | AP | the newest one |
| 16:30.18 | AP | :) |
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| 16:30.26 | AP | Qt: 3.2.1 |
| 16:30.30 | J_P | AP you use SID ? |
| 16:30.30 | AP | its what i have |
| 16:30.34 | AP | sid yes |
| 16:30.42 | DerBadejunge | peterS: i heard of one with 5 :-) thx peter. is there any solution to have a small debian mirror mobild for no wlan notebook ? :D |
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| 16:30.56 | J_P | AP then you have the latest ported for SID, but not latest from trolltech |
| 16:31.10 | thomas_adam | J_P: ? |
| 16:31.17 | AP | what can i do then? |
| 16:31.18 | Spider210 | If I change the files to .html should there be a problem? |
| 16:31.18 | BLuTeNGeL | DerBadejunge: man debmirror |
| 16:31.54 | DerBadejunge | BLuTeNGeL: i don`t actually want a mirror. just a apt-get install "allpackages" --download-only |
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| 16:32.21 | Spider210 | answered my own question with a yes |
| 16:32.31 | J_P | thomas_adam what ?? kernel compilling ? is compilling... :-) |
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| 16:32.36 | J_P | AP zion:~# apt-cache show qt3-dev-tools | grep -i version |
| 16:32.36 | J_P | Version: 3:3.2.1-6 |
| 16:32.47 | BLuTeNGeL | DerBadejunge: find . -name "*.dev" -exec mv "{}" pakete |
| 16:32.59 | J_P | AP but the latest stable in trolltech is 3.2.3 |
| 16:33.01 | Sava_tage | has anyone in here gotten a 802.11b linksys wpc11 version 4 to work with Debian ? |
| 16:33.06 | AP | Version: 3:3.2.1-6 |
| 16:33.27 | DerBadejunge | BLuTeNGeL: what does that do ? :P |
| 16:33.49 | BLuTeNGeL | DerBadejunge: oh .. s/dev/deb/ |
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| 16:34.15 | hoxu|uni | peterS, you truly are evil.. |
| 16:34.35 | DerBadejunge | well that doen`t help me @ all. thx guys ! :D |
| 16:34.50 | BLuTeNGeL | DerBadejunge: Debmirror size: 87G /home/ftp/debian |
| 16:35.03 | BLuTeNGeL | have fun |
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| 16:35.14 | Sava_tage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.29 | DerBadejunge | BLuTeNGeL: shitty. thats not that mobile :) |
| 16:35.59 | BLuTeNGeL | DerBadejunge: it is, mostly you need only i386 ... |
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| 16:36.45 | DerBadejunge | BLuTeNGeL: thx :D so is there away to only download all packages for i386 ? downloadonly? |
| 16:37.12 | knoppix | how do i list channels starting by j ? |
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| 16:37.19 | andrea | i have some problems witm my ethernet card rtl-8139 |
| 16:37.37 | asg | peterS: make a 'hokusmite' factoid and tell sussudio about it |
| 16:37.46 | asg | s/hoku/hoxu/ |
| 16:37.49 | peterS | asg: hehe |
| 16:37.50 | Wyzard | I'm having an odd problem... I have a 200GB partition which I believe is intact -- I've run badblocks on it several times -- but when I put ext3 or JFS on it, mount doesn't recognize the filesystem, and when I put ReiserFS or XFS on it, it mounts but starts giving I/O errors when I copy several gigabytes of data to it. |
| 16:37.54 | andrea | even if the routing table is ok i cannot send pkgs through eth0 interfaces |
| 16:38.04 | J_P | AP then if you like 3.2.3 or 3.3.0 beta1 you need download and compile it.. |
| 16:38.06 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: superblock |
| 16:38.13 | andrea | i think it is well configured |
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| 16:38.18 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: What about it? |
| 16:38.33 | knoppix | how do i list channels starting by j ? |
| 16:38.50 | J_P | !sarge pool |
| 16:38.51 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 16:38.52 | andrea | when i do ping 192.168.1.1 all is ok |
| 16:38.52 | quant0rz | what file permission needs to be set to stop renaming of a directory or file? |
| 16:39.14 | xel | re. |
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| 16:39.25 | xel | ciao andrea, che problema hai? |
| 16:39.33 | andrea | ciao |
| 16:39.36 | DerBadejunge | quant0rz: 740 |
| 16:39.38 | peterS | quant0rz: I told you before. write permission on the parent directory |
| 16:39.39 | hoxu|uni | I feel like killing something small.. |
| 16:39.48 | zu22 | !sarge 2004-02-14 |
| 16:39.58 | DerBadejunge | !sarge whoare you |
| 16:39.59 | andrea | non riesco a spedire pacchetti attraverso eth0 |
| 16:40.02 | peterS | zu22: /msg dpkg sarge bet |
| 16:40.11 | quant0rz | peterS: oh yes, thanks |
| 16:40.12 | asg | !+italian |
| 16:40.12 | dpkg | i guess italian is someone who comes from Italy. #debian.it or #linux-it |
| 16:40.16 | J_P | peterS debian.org not anouneament nothing about release next stable ? |
| 16:40.17 | asg | andrea: ^^ |
| 16:40.24 | xel | asg: eheh |
| 16:40.27 | zu22 | peterS: danke |
| 16:40.36 | xel | Hey peterS |
| 16:40.41 | peterS | J_P: that is why we are all guessing about the date. my guess is 2004-05-01. what is yours? |
| 16:40.59 | J_P | 04-01-2004 :-) hehe |
| 16:41.14 | peterS | J_P: you mean today? or April 1? |
| 16:41.19 | andrea | non possiamo parlare in inglese se no si incazzano? |
| 16:41.21 | J_P | today :-) |
| 16:41.24 | J_P | huahauehau |
| 16:41.36 | xel | andrea: please read your query. |
| 16:41.38 | J_P | woody is very old.. |
| 16:41.38 | zu22 | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! zu22=2004-02-14/ |
| 16:41.39 | dpkg | zu22: that's too long |
| 16:41.43 | andrea | ok |
| 16:42.03 | peterS | zu22: as 'sarge bet' says, use 'sarge pool 2' rather than 'sarge pool' |
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| 16:42.22 | zu22 | !sarge pool2 =~ s/!/! zu22=2004-02-14/ |
| 16:42.22 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'sarge pool2', zu22 |
| 16:42.24 | andrea | when i try to send msgs through eth0 no pkgs are transmitted and none are recived |
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| 16:42.32 | peterS | zu22: with a space (: |
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| 16:42.38 | zu22 | peterS: lol |
| 16:42.42 | andrea | even if i think it is well configured |
| 16:42.42 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.44 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.49 | asg | peterS: almost |
| 16:42.53 | zu22 | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! zu22 = 2004-02-14/ |
| 16:42.53 | dpkg | that's too long, zu22 |
| 16:43.05 | andrea | i checked also my routing table and all is ok |
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| 16:43.16 | J_P | AP why you need the new latest version of QT ? |
| 16:43.18 | Spider210 | What did he mean when covener said "you have AddHandler server-parsed .shtml" |
| 16:43.20 | zu22 | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! zu22 = 2004-02-14 |
| 16:43.26 | pngwn | you CAN /msg the bot ;) |
| 16:43.28 | Spider210 | Did he mean to remove that line??? |
| 16:43.29 | zu22 | peterS: where must the space go?? it not working |
| 16:43.35 | zu22 | pngwn: sorry |
| 16:43.36 | J_P | SID have 3.3.1 and latest beta is 3.3 |
| 16:43.36 | andrea | i tryed to check my configuration doing ping 192.168.1.1 and all is ok |
| 16:43.39 | Wyzard | zu22: Try "sarge pool 2" (with a space before the 2) |
| 16:43.48 | peterS | zu22: !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! zu22=2004-02-14/ |
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| 16:44.13 | asg | andrea: is 192.168.1.1 the ip of the machine itself or someother one on your lan |
| 16:44.30 | AP | J_P: is it forbidden to want the newest? :) |
| 16:44.38 | knoppix_ | brasil??? |
| 16:44.39 | zu22 | peterS: it work :) |
| 16:44.44 | andrea | asg: 192.168.1.1 is the local address of eth0 |
| 16:45.08 | AP | actually i thought it causes this problem: Qt: 3.2.1 |
| 16:45.10 | AP | wai |
| 16:45.12 | asg | andrea: is your gateway correctly configured? (and set in /etc/network/interfaces) ? |
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| 16:45.18 | AP | sim depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3.1.2); however: |
| 16:45.18 | AP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.31 | AP | well for some reason i thought it causes this problem |
| 16:45.47 | andrea | asg: > route -n 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 16:46.04 | J_P | AP heheeh not problem... you can have more new yes :-) |
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| 16:46.08 | eddnnee | asked this earlier- but lost my connection: has anyone successfully installed j2sdk on debian3 with apt? |
| 16:46.13 | andrea | asg: PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes |
| 16:46.13 | andrea | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms |
| 16:46.14 | andrea | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.0 ms |
| 16:46.22 | eddnnee | and how? :) |
| 16:46.34 | chance2105 | Is it required you be root to format a floppy? |
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| 16:47.07 | J_P | AP you not install libqt3-mt, but libqt3-mt-dev yes :-) |
| 16:47.12 | J_P | AP try,.. ;-) |
| 16:47.20 | caphuso | chance2105: no, it's required to be in the floppy group |
| 16:47.33 | AP | some package called sablot is missing and i cant install it too :| |
| 16:47.45 | J_P | AP yes |
| 16:47.59 | AP | libqt3-mt: Depends: libpng3 but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:48.00 | AP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.00 | chance2105 | caphuso: Ok. My user has been added to the 'floppy' group .. I can format a floppy as root, but not as the user. |
| 16:48.05 | andrea | asg: have you got ideas |
| 16:48.08 | caphuso | chance2105: log out, log in |
| 16:48.15 | J_P | AP i have here qt3 complete + kdevelop (compiled latest version) + qt3-designer :-) |
| 16:48.17 | chance2105 | caphuso: ok |
| 16:48.23 | J_P | using SID |
| 16:48.30 | thomas_adam | asg, have ideas? ha ha ha |
| 16:48.31 | thomas_adam | opps |
| 16:48.39 | asg | andrea: hmmm, I don't sorry |
| 16:48.39 | J_P | thomas_adam finish :-) |
| 16:48.49 | AP | well i dont have any of these :[ |
| 16:48.50 | DerBadejunge | what does mplex do ??? or better: what is multiplexing of a video ? |
| 16:48.52 | asg | thomas_adam: I'm a parrot remember, I have no original ideas of my own ;) |
| 16:48.56 | andrea | asg: doesn't matter |
| 16:49.08 | thomas_adam | asg: pretty polly |
| 16:49.26 | J_P | AP is simply, apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev and others qt3.... |
| 16:49.40 | AP | libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libxcursor-dev but it is not going to be installed |
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| 16:50.05 | J_P | AP apt-get -f install |
| 16:50.08 | caphuso | DerBadejunge: merging several video and audio streams into one stream |
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| 16:50.37 | J_P | thomas_adam i reboot my laptop now for test new kernel :-) |
| 16:50.51 | thomas_adam | J_P: yes |
| 16:50.51 | DerBadejunge | caphuso: thankx. when building a vcd whichprogramm is important to whatch over the datasize ? |
| 16:50.52 | J_P | i come back after |
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| 16:50.56 | AP | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:50.56 | AP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.57 | dpkg | AP: You are moron #11 |
| 16:51.05 | chance2105 | caphuso: Thnx, did the trick. |
| 16:51.05 | caphuso | DerBadejunge: parse error |
| 16:51.22 | J_P | AP apt-get install build-essential xlibs xlibs-dev |
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| 16:51.36 | andrea | join #debian-it |
| 16:51.43 | chance2105 | That's about the one thing I haven't beaten into my head yet. When adding a user you have to log in and back out |
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| 16:51.51 | Covener | DerBadejunge: just keep it at around 800mb and you should be fine on a 80min cdr |
| 16:51.56 | AP | build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but 3:3.2.3-1 is to be installed |
| 16:51.56 | AP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.59 | AP | wtf :[ |
| 16:52.23 | DerBadejunge | Covener: but you know my issue |
| 16:52.29 | baz | AP: and they said only rpm had dependency hell :) |
| 16:52.45 | AP | well, i had no troubles with rpm :( |
| 16:52.50 | asg | baz: no hell as long as you don't try to do something you're not supposed to do |
| 16:53.01 | JohnGH | Does anyone here use to-do list software ? and can they make a recommendation ? I've tried hnb, devtodo, woody, note and a few others and haven't found one I'm happy with yet... |
| 16:53.01 | AP | ive installed debian only 2 days ago |
| 16:53.14 | AP | thats why i kinda have no idea how to solve this. |
| 16:53.19 | thomas_adam | JohnGH: pland |
| 16:53.26 | baz | AP: sarge or sid? |
| 16:53.30 | DerBadejunge | is it pissible to work rmp on deb ? uhih :D |
| 16:53.35 | AP | sid |
| 16:53.38 | peterS | AP: it's a good question. how did you get into the situation? I didn't think gcc 3:3.2.3-1 was anywhere on the mirrors anymore |
| 16:53.38 | chance2105 | AP: Mixed? |
| 16:53.42 | baz | AP: get used to it |
| 16:53.43 | asg | DerBadejunge: alien |
| 16:53.58 | DerBadejunge | asg: thankS :D |
| 16:54.08 | AP | maybe mixed. actualy i have no idea. |
| 16:54.10 | asg | DerBadejunge: that should be thankS D: (hehe) |
| 16:54.16 | DerBadejunge | asg: is that working finde ? |
| 16:54.28 | chance2105 | AP: You might should get used to woody first. If you run Sarge or SID, you need to be pretty comfortable with APT. |
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| 16:54.35 | JohnGH | thomas_adam: where is that from ? |
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| 16:54.38 | J_P | SUCESSS |
| 16:54.39 | asg | DerBadejunge: alien just converts rpms to debs; it may or may not work correctly but it is a start |
| 16:54.50 | J_P | thomas_adam sucess :-) |
| 16:54.57 | AP | well is there any other way to move to woody without re-installing? |
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| 16:55.25 | chance2105 | AP: Yeah. You'll have to do it by making an /etc/apt/preferences file .. read the APT-HOWTO |
| 16:55.25 | quant0rz | anyone use Samba? |
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| 16:55.41 | J_P | AP why younot want SID, becouse problem with QT install ? |
| 16:55.42 | DerBadejunge | asg: cool. why does something perfect need rmp ` :D |
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| 16:55.47 | ryke | re |
| 16:55.55 | AP | who said i didnt want it |
| 16:56.00 | AP | :) |
| 16:56.15 | J_P | ok ok , i try help you AP |
| 16:56.21 | chance2105 | AP: There's a good section in there on maintaining a mixed system, too |
| 16:56.29 | AP | actually if it wasnt sim i wouldnt try to install it at all |
| 16:56.41 | chance2105 | AP: I just wouldn't depend on it until you're comfortable |
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| 16:57.13 | AP | im only 2 days on debian, ill get used to it. |
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| 16:57.51 | chance2105 | AP: I'm Debian of a year now (first distro tried) .. I run a mixed system, and it took me ~5 mos to get maintaining a decent system, package-wise, down .. fwiw |
| 16:57.57 | J_P | AP you have one faster machine ? if yes you can use bochs or VMWARE.. |
| 16:58.03 | irvken | d the |
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| 16:58.19 | AP | what do you mean VMWare? |
| 16:58.22 | J_P | I have stable and SID simultanously in my notebook running |
| 16:58.24 | AP | why should i want to run another system? |
| 16:58.30 | AP | im damn glad to leave damn mandrake |
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| 16:59.05 | J_P | becouse you can have all situations and tests.. not need more oteher machine for one test for new version, but other section with other Operation system |
| 16:59.20 | J_P | i star windows XP too with SID and woddy :-) |
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| 16:59.31 | DerBadejunge | why does transcode need many hours for 2hours of vid, but uses only about 5%ofram and 35%of cpu ??? |
| 16:59.36 | AP | well too bad then, i dont have a fast machine at all |
| 16:59.37 | J_P | for test my apps developemtn with QT in linux.. for radpi ports.. |
| 16:59.49 | AP | 800mhz |
| 16:59.56 | J_P | my is 1,1 |
| 17:00.13 | J_P | 800 is possible but is good >=256mb ram |
| 17:00.20 | thomas_adam | J_P: hows it going? |
| 17:00.33 | J_P | thomas_adam not see above my message auehuaheuha |
| 17:00.37 | J_P | thomas_adam sucess :-) |
| 17:00.42 | AP | yes i have 256mb ram, but i dont need another system |
| 17:00.51 | J_P | thomas_adam hear popo rock :-) tahnk you |
| 17:00.53 | DerBadejunge | why does transcode need many hours for 2hours of vid, but uses only about 5%ofram and 35%of cpu |
| 17:00.55 | AP | i just want to run sim-icq in peace :) |
| 17:00.59 | thomas_adam | J_P: yw |
| 17:01.04 | sussudio | DerBadejunge: STFU |
| 17:01.08 | JohnGH | thomas_adam: aha - found it... it's not called pland, it's called plan ;o) |
| 17:01.09 | asg | DerBadejunge: didn't say it did, just that it was a tool that helps from time to time :) |
| 17:01.23 | thomas_adam | JohnGH: pland is the daemon for plan :) |
| 17:01.30 | quant | anyone here use Samba? |
| 17:01.34 | J_P | Atmosphair then use any linux or any BSD for on simply sim-icq :-) |
| 17:01.35 | DerBadejunge | asg: pretty nice idea of cause :D |
| 17:01.42 | sussudio | ~tell quant about polls |
| 17:01.45 | J_P | quant I |
| 17:01.58 | quant | lol |
| 17:02.02 | DerBadejunge | sussudio: thanks man! but was ur comment real importang ? |
| 17:02.03 | DerBadejunge | t |
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| 17:02.15 | JohnGH | thomas_adam: yes, but the only thing that shows up when you do apt-cache search pland is issue 50 of the LG ;o) |
| 17:02.25 | AP | well not simply sim-icq |
| 17:02.28 | asg | thomas_adam: did you write that article ? |
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| 17:03.49 | quant | J_P: i have a question. i am using win2k to browse the share on the workgroup. i am logged on my windows box as "quant", and i am a user on the linux box too, and i have been added to group "coder". now when i chown a dir, and group owner is "coder", then chmod the dir 775 when when i try to add a directory i get access denied? |
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| 17:04.01 | AP | too bad debian cant have any app that kills flys when they sit on my monitor :) |
| 17:04.22 | Covener | quant: is it writable in samba config? |
| 17:04.27 | asg | AP: if you manipulate your modelines, you might be able to blow it up, hence killing the fly |
| 17:04.40 | quant | Covener: read only = no |
| 17:04.49 | J_P | quant yes... becouse samba create mask for each user... |
| 17:04.58 | AP | asg: :) |
| 17:04.59 | thomas_adam | asg: which article? |
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| 17:05.09 | Covener | quant: you supplied credentials to samba from the pc? sure you're not a guest |
| 17:05.14 | quant | J_P: can i get it to use the stuff on the linux system? so that it knows i am member of coder? |
| 17:05.17 | sussudio | ~ur |
| 17:05.20 | | hmm... ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 17:05.21 | J_P | quant but you like two user or more delete create eual files/dirs you need change mask in smb.conf |
| 17:05.22 | asg | thomas_adam: the one about pland in issue 50 of LG? |
| 17:05.34 | thomas_adam | asg: ooh, about 10 issues before my time, I am afraid |
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| 17:05.43 | J_P | quant force create mask=777 for example |
| 17:05.47 | J_P | for all users |
| 17:05.50 | asg | thomas_adam: figured, just curious. |
| 17:05.52 | J_P | understand quant ? |
| 17:05.59 | quant | i think so, just looking |
| 17:06.10 | thomas_adam | asg: I believe it was written by Larry Ayers |
| 17:06.11 | JohnGH | thomas_adam : thank you, not quite what I'm looking for, (I want a list of tasks - so that I don't forget to do them - but not nescessarily tasks for today - they might be for whenever a chance comes up over the next month or so...) but it could come in handy all the same!!! |
| 17:06.38 | asg | JohnGH: man calendar (can be used for such things) |
| 17:06.38 | thomas_adam | JohnGH: yw |
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| 17:07.34 | thomas_adam | asg: mcal |
| 17:07.37 | J_P | quant force create mode=775 (files) force directory mode=775 (dir) |
| 17:08.17 | ralf | shall the force be with you! |
| 17:08.30 | asg | thomas_adam: I don't need that much functionality :) I usually just keep a nice TODO in ~ |
| 17:08.37 | quant | J_P: of course, yes, thanks a lot |
| 17:08.38 | nvz | asg: he needs a combination CRT / Tesla coil |
| 17:08.46 | caphuso | (cc |
| 17:08.57 | asg | nvz: for a TODO / notes/ memo service :) |
| 17:09.13 | Covener | quant: I'm not so sure j_p's suggestions relate to your problem. |
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| 17:09.23 | J_P | quant you put this conf in shared ok, then any user when write in this shared create files and dir with 775 mask!! :-) |
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| 17:09.34 | JohnGH | asg thanks |
| 17:09.38 | asg | caphuso: does that smiley represent the cyclops thumb in Thumbwars ? :) |
| 17:09.42 | J_P | quant you question is answer ? |
| 17:09.47 | nvz | asg: could make the first static electricity Tesla monitor, that zaps flies dead or at least unconcious just an inch or so from the screen |
| 17:09.58 | quant | J_P: i think so, testing |
| 17:10.06 | asg | nvz: excellent |
| 17:10.24 | ralf | there is any chatroom about spam? |
| 17:10.31 | asg | ralf: #spam |
| 17:10.42 | caphuso | asg: it wasn't a smily, it was supposed to /cc |
| 17:10.46 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 17:10.54 | asg | ralf: or maybe #spamassassin |
| 17:11.27 | ralf | in #spam there is only the moderator |
| 17:11.50 | JohnGH | ralf: let's go there and talk :) |
| 17:11.52 | asg | ralf: hey, you could start a revolution! (try #spamassassin-talk as well) |
| 17:12.03 | JohnGH | thanks for your help thomas_adam and asg |
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| 17:12.09 | asg | JohnGH: yw |
| 17:12.15 | thomas_adam | yw |
| 17:12.17 | thomas_adam | opps, too slow |
| 17:12.57 | AP | umount: /dev/cdrom mount disagrees with the fstab |
| 17:12.57 | AP | eject: unmount of `/dev/cdrom' failed |
| 17:12.57 | quant | J_P: i was just testing with win98 and the folders aren't even appearing in network neighbourhood.. what's going on with that? |
| 17:12.58 | AP | wtf? |
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| 17:14.01 | asg | idimmu: you've already had your 2nd coming |
| 17:15.07 | J_P | AP cdrom not is in fstab |
| 17:15.17 | AP | i know |
| 17:15.29 | J_P | quant hummm... your conf smb.conf problem |
| 17:15.33 | AP | i cant eject my cdrom now |
| 17:15.37 | AP | whats with that |
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| 17:15.58 | J_P | AP any process is using you cdrom |
| 17:16.08 | AP | how would i know? |
| 17:16.12 | J_P | or one sheel opened into cdrom |
| 17:16.13 | thiccups | AP: cd out of the cdrom |
| 17:16.21 | oskie | how do you resize (enlarge) an image with imagemagick, not keeping original 1:1 ratio? it insists on doing that |
| 17:16.21 | AP | thiccups: its locked for some reason |
| 17:16.31 | thiccups | Ap your probably browsing it |
| 17:16.35 | asg | AP: man fuser || apt-get install lsof && man lsof |
| 17:16.43 | asg | AP: those will tell you what's using it |
| 17:16.59 | asg | quant: you probably need to turn browsing on in your samba conf (can't remember they syntax offhand though) |
| 17:17.02 | AP | thiccups: im not browsint it. |
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| 17:17.18 | quant | asg: it's working in win2k, not win98 |
| 17:17.29 | thiccups | AP: type cd / then type umount /cdrom |
| 17:17.43 | asg | quant: can you connect at all in win98? |
| 17:17.49 | AP | umount: /cdrom: not mounte |
| 17:17.50 | quant | yes# |
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| 17:17.56 | quant | i can see it |
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| 17:18.03 | quant | but when i access it it says it doesn't exit |
| 17:18.05 | quant | exist |
| 17:18.35 | asg | quant: hmmm, look in your samba log files. See if anything indicates the issue. |
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| 17:18.53 | RobbieXP | hello everybody |
| 17:18.55 | J_P | quant try get out that confs i pasted and restart saba |
| 17:18.58 | J_P | samba |
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| 17:19.03 | J_P | RobbieXP hi |
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| 17:19.08 | RobbieXP | how can i share my internet connection the best? |
| 17:19.29 | quant | J_P: you pasted some? |
| 17:19.33 | asg | RobbieXP: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 17:19.40 | J_P | Is possible i change my filesystem (ext2) for reiserfs without reinstall sysmtem o lost date ? |
| 17:19.55 | J_P | above... quant about force mde |
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| 17:20.16 | asg | J_P: backup ; reformat ; restore |
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| 17:21.03 | glf | RobbieXP: with iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE |
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| 17:21.22 | glf | if u have kernel 2.4 or sup |
| 17:21.29 | J_P | asg you read my question above ? |
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| 17:21.54 | asg | J_P: I responded to the ext2 -> reiserfs conversion question |
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| 17:22.05 | asg | J_P: backup / restore != reinstall system |
| 17:22.35 | asg | J_P: if it does mean that to you, though, I don't think it is possible. |
| 17:23.29 | J_P | asg ohh then i not need reinstall debian ? |
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| 17:24.01 | asg | J_P: no, just backup the whole system (to tape, another partition, etc) ; reformat ext2 -> reiserfs ; and restore |
| 17:24.26 | ticallion2 | glf: "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 && iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o <external_if> -j MASQUERADE" where <external_if> is the most outwardly interface facing the internet, i.e. ppp0, eth1 |
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| 17:24.32 | J_P | asg ok... you know anyone howto about this ? |
| 17:24.42 | asg | J_P: also, make sure your kernel has support for reiserfs |
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| 17:24.51 | nvz | J_P: why are you going through all that troubble to change your filesystem to an FS that doesnt even have working tools available? |
| 17:24.52 | asg | J_P: and backup howto at tldp.org should do |
| 17:25.11 | nvz | can you even fsck reiserfs? |
| 17:25.17 | asg | J_P: if all you want is journalling, you could migrate inline to ext3 |
| 17:25.23 | Wyzard | nvz: yes, reiserfsck |
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| 17:25.33 | Covener | nvz: no working tools? |
| 17:25.44 | nvz | Covener: its news to me |
| 17:25.54 | J_P | nvz becouse resisefs is more security |
| 17:25.59 | Nurbs | heh |
| 17:26.00 | Covener | lol! |
| 17:26.07 | Wyzard | Covener: It's true that reiser lacks a debugfs equivalent, so it might be less-recoverable if it's severely damaged |
| 17:26.16 | nvz | J_P: i suggest you re-evaulate your security strategy |
| 17:26.36 | Wyzard | J_P: reiserfs has nothing to do with security |
| 17:26.37 | Covener | Wyzard: that's a far cry from no working tools or unable to fsck though |
| 17:26.51 | J_P | nvz ok, then you prefer ext2 ? |
| 17:26.59 | Wyzard | Covener: I know (and I use reiser, though I'm switching to XFS) |
| 17:27.12 | J_P | Wyzard why i need use ext2 and not reiserrfs ? |
| 17:27.23 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to execute a "kill 0" command from within a script run by "run-parts" (which kills all processes in its process group) without also killing run-parts? |
| 17:27.33 | nvz | J_P: I use it just because, myself.. thats the way I do everything, unless I have a damn good reason to change, and the pros and cons weigh out on the scale |
| 17:27.38 | Covener | j_p: the problem is trying to switch for no good reason -- stick with what you've got |
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| 17:28.34 | nvz | XFS makes it virtually impossible to ever recover deleted files, in fact the file you delete is likely to be the victim of the next write call |
| 17:28.47 | J_P | I HAVE ONE GOOD REASON |
| 17:28.50 | Wyzard | J_P: If you want reiserfs *specifically*, go ahead and switch, but if journaling is what you want, ext3 does that too and it's much easier to switch from ext2 to ext3 than from ext2 to reiserfs -- no backup/restore is needed |
| 17:29.02 | J_P | journal is more speed tahn ext2 |
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| 17:29.13 | Wyzard | J_P: No, journaling is slower |
| 17:29.16 | Covener | j_p: journalled is slower, not faster |
| 17:29.36 | J_P | i see benachemarks about this.. |
| 17:29.55 | Covener | j_p: Red cars are the fastest |
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| 17:30.03 | nvz | J_P: tune2fs -j <device>, then update /etc/fstab.. cant be journaled in less than 10 seconds if you can type quick |
| 17:30.11 | raboof | anyone else having problems with the msn module of the gaim in unstable? |
| 17:30.11 | Dmtalon | Anyone know what this message means? "Err ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu stable/main Packages PASS failed, server said: Unknown command." |
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| 17:30.29 | J_P | Covener heeheh |
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| 17:30.42 | asg | raboof: works here |
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| 17:30.56 | kingsley | Does anyone here know of a command that changes a process's process group? |
| 17:30.56 | Covener | Dmtalon: looks like ft ptrying to provide credentials to the ftp server... maybe it didn't like the USER your provided or lord knows what else |
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| 17:31.03 | asg | raboof: check the bts |
| 17:31.22 | J_P | nvz everyone use reiserfs and ext3, is one upgrade of filesystem, new features, becouse not is correct use its ? |
| 17:31.37 | Dmtalon | Conductor: I got that message while doing apt-get update. |
| 17:31.47 | g0llum_ | i have installed openoffice.org-help-es, but when I try to use it, it launch the help window without content |
| 17:31.47 | Dmtalon | Covener |
| 17:31.53 | Covener | Dmtalon: Does your deb line have a user/pass encoded in it? |
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| 17:32.03 | Covener | Dmtalon: can you login to that mirror locally? |
| 17:32.31 | Dmtalon | Covener: let me look, but I don't think I have a user/pass in it. It's just whatever default was set |
| 17:32.48 | ralf | someone has uncc? |
| 17:33.14 | colde86 | how to get modules for usb ?? |
| 17:33.17 | Dmtalon | Covener: deb line looks like: "eb ftp://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" |
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| 17:33.25 | Dmtalon | plus the D |
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| 17:33.32 | asg | !+find uncc |
| 17:33.37 | dpkg | uncc: (C decompiler for i386), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.1.2+20030821-2 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 17:33.51 | ralf | i have uncc but: SIGSEGV |
| 17:33.57 | Covener | Dmtalon: i can login anon, that's pretty weird |
| 17:34.02 | McCabe | im trying to access my dvd from a different box on the network. if i dont have the dvd mounted, the export works all fine, but if if mount the dvd and try to mount the dvd on the second box, i get permission denied... what could be wrong? |
| 17:34.09 | Dmtalon | Covener: let me try manual |
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| 17:34.30 | asg | ralf: check the bts then |
| 17:34.47 | ralf | dpkg: you have uncc installed? |
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| 17:34.59 | Dmtalon | Covener: as can I <sigh> wonder what's up with this :-( |
| 17:35.19 | Covener | Dmtalon: try w/ wget i guess? you do any config changes in wget? |
| 17:35.33 | Wyzard | ralf: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:35.35 | Steph[eN] | has anybody yet installed fuse |
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| 17:35.51 | Dmtalon | Covener: nope... I haven't touched wget. |
| 17:35.51 | asg | ralf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213472 |
| 17:35.57 | ralf | apt is a bot too? |
| 17:35.58 | | ralf: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:36.06 | Wyzard | ralf: yes |
| 17:36.12 | asg | ralf: apt, dpkg, modconf, and ravenbird are all bots |
| 17:36.31 | Dmtalon | Covener: wget got an index file using the above ftp from the deb |
| 17:36.43 | Covener | Dmtalon: i assume apt-get still fails? |
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| 17:37.24 | Dmtalon | Covener: yep. It's actually doing that for almost all of the servers |
| 17:37.54 | quant0rz | J_P: i still can't get it to open the directories on a win98 machine.. |
| 17:38.02 | quant | i have checked the options |
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| 17:40.04 | Dmtalon | Covener: I pasted part of my apt-get messages in /msg |
| 17:40.11 | nvz | well I am going across town to the Mileground bbl |
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| 17:41.26 | zugzug | ive mounted my windows partition in fstab it loads ok but all my folder appear as if they were file...i mounted it with the options rw,user,auto anyone can help?? |
| 17:42.09 | asg | zugzug: ls -ld /some/directory (paste what it says) |
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| 17:42.42 | J_P | quant try use more options how "force-create..." see in man smb.conf |
| 17:42.57 | zugzug | drwxr--r-- 3 root root 16384 Dec 21 2001 swat |
| 17:43.16 | asg | zugzug: well, the 'd' in 'drwx...' indicates it is a directory |
| 17:43.18 | Wyzard | zugzug: That's a directory... the 'd' in the first column says so |
| 17:43.32 | asg | zugzug: is it just that the color appears green on all the files in the directory? |
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| 17:43.50 | Wyzard | zugzug: However, it's a directory that only has execute permission for root... execute permission on a directory means permission to enter the directory |
| 17:44.12 | zugzug | hmmm yeah that may be the prob i cant access it on other user than root |
| 17:44.36 | Wyzard | zugzug: Look up the "umask" mount option |
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| 17:45.15 | zugzug | how do i retrieve one users user id? |
| 17:45.23 | Wyzard | Look in /etc/passwd |
| 17:45.56 | thomas_adam | zugzug: id ${user} |
| 17:45.59 | Wyzard | If you're using the "user=" and "group=" options, though, I think you can just specify a username/groupname and it'll look up the uid for you |
| 17:46.12 | thomas_adam | zugzug: id -u ${user} |
| 17:46.36 | zugzug | ok ill check it out |
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| 17:55.30 | caphuso | why? because it would be a valid pattern and valid pattern shouldn't be shown? |
| 17:55.41 | paladin__ | how can i print via lpr with cups? |
| 17:55.53 | paladin__ | when i try to print with lpr -P myprinter filename |
| 17:55.59 | paladin__ | it just spools it |
| 17:56.15 | paladin__ | so lpq shows me the queue |
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| 17:57.06 | asg | paladin__: get cupsys-bsd or cupsys-client |
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| 17:57.57 | paladin__ | thx :) |
| 17:58.03 | asg | paladin__: anytime |
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| 17:59.37 | ralf | Could I download only the 1st Debian cd and all the rest from the net? |
| 17:59.41 | asg | ralf: yep |
| 17:59.56 | ralf | Is kppp on the 1st cd? |
| 17:59.57 | mwilson | ralf: A better question is why would you want to? |
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| 18:00.18 | mwilson | What does kppp have to do with anything? |
| 18:00.26 | Gathond | ralf: yes, actually you can download a 10-50 MB net install image and install the rest over the net (if your internet device is supported) |
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| 18:00.32 | beta3 | morning asg |
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| 18:00.41 | asg | beta3: morning |
| 18:00.46 | asg | beta3: or afternoon, I should say |
| 18:00.49 | mwilson | Gathond: Watch out... no doubt we're about to be told how there aren't any netinst images. |
| 18:00.57 | zu22 | !hello beta3 |
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| 18:01.12 | zu22 | ~hello beta3 |
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| 18:01.26 | zu22 | mwilson: lol |
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| 18:02.18 | mwilson | zu22: Yeah, annoying isn't it? After the second such stupid showed up the other day, I collected half a dozen netinst images of different varieties in under a half hour. |
| 18:02.34 | mwilson | zu22: Someone forgot to tell me that there weren't any available, I guess. |
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| 18:03.39 | alex__ | Is there any way I can build base Debian syste from sources? |
| 18:03.39 | beta3 | asg: Im not a morning person |
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| 18:03.53 | mwilson | alex__: Is there any reason why you'd want to? |
| 18:04.00 | alex__ | yes |
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| 18:04.06 | asg | beta3: I am, I just had my neighbors blasting crappy world music at me until 1am this morning. I'm still groggy |
| 18:04.17 | mwilson | alex__: Really. Do tell... why? |
| 18:04.21 | Gathond | mwilson: hehe, i remember someone telling me that mysql and postfix, where impossible to do without usint tcp/ip to connect postfix to mysql ... im just gratefull nobody told my mailserver that it cant run :) |
| 18:04.24 | beta3 | asg: I was up till 4 am |
| 18:04.40 | zu22 | mwilson: indeed |
| 18:04.42 | asg | beta3: of your own accord no doubt; I was trying to sleep :) |
| 18:04.45 | alex__ | I trust sources. You may call me paranoid or something... ;) |
| 18:04.51 | sussudio | asg: i prefer blasting 'safety dance' |
| 18:05.02 | mwilson | alex__: No, I'll just call you stupid. |
| 18:05.08 | caphuso | alex__: people will call you clueless, not paranoid |
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| 18:05.16 | alex__ | Offence? |
| 18:05.22 | asg | sussudio: yeah, they have a subwoofer; I don't. That's the problem. I'll talk to them later. |
| 18:05.26 | caphuso | alex__: compiling from source isn't more secure at all |
| 18:05.34 | alex__ | Ok, ok. Optimization. |
| 18:05.41 | tjk | still a bad reasonb |
| 18:06.02 | zu22 | beta3: it's now 1pm here i been online since 11pm last night heh |
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| 18:06.08 | sussudio | asg: have a lead pipe |
| 18:06.15 | mwilson | alex__: So you don't know anything about optimization either, huh? |
| 18:06.21 | alex__ | I asked, whether it is possible at all? |
| 18:06.28 | asg | sussudio: possible; they are bigger than I am though and I'm not a violent person ... yet |
| 18:06.31 | zu22 | asg: call the landlord, call the police, call the terminator! |
| 18:06.35 | caphuso | alex__: basically yes, with a lot of work |
| 18:06.35 | Wyzard | alex__: Gentoo is better for that |
| 18:06.39 | alex__ | Ok, I had a trouble with one of the binary packages... |
| 18:06.43 | alex__ | form the base system |
| 18:06.47 | asg | zu22: no worries, It'll get worked out later :) |
| 18:06.49 | sussudio | asg: even big persons go down when you slam them in the balls with a lead pipe |
| 18:06.51 | mwilson | And what "trouble" would that be? |
| 18:07.00 | zu22 | asg: muhahahaha (: |
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| 18:07.01 | alex__ | Gentoo is a SHIT!!! !!! !!! :-{} Argh!!! |
| 18:07.01 | asg | sussudio: I prefer the knee |
| 18:07.02 | chris` | I wonder why alex trusts source more, someone could just as easily slip a rootkit in a source tarball as they could a package |
| 18:07.08 | sussudio | asg: so do they |
| 18:07.09 | mwilson | sussudio: Screw that... if you're going to hit them, kill them. |
| 18:07.20 | alex__ | Ok, I believe that NetBSD is the best... so what. |
| 18:07.22 | chris` | Seems pretty dumb unless he does a code audit on everything |
| 18:07.25 | zu22 | sussudio: what if they have steel underwear? :) |
| 18:07.25 | asg | mwilson: exactly and I'm not prepared for that |
| 18:07.28 | sussudio | mwilson: they'd wish they'd die when you repeatedly hit them in the nutsack |
| 18:07.35 | mwilson | alex__: Then you should be USING nBSD. Is there some problem here? |
| 18:07.46 | ralf | The best os: Solaris! |
| 18:07.50 | alex__ | I need a Linux machine, and I want to use the... best of Linuxes |
| 18:08.02 | asg | ralf: the film was better than the OS |
| 18:08.03 | chris` | silly mwilson, you don't use what you prefer! You use what people tell you is l33t |
| 18:08.10 | alex__ | It smells like a religious war... |
| 18:08.10 | alex__ | ;) |
| 18:08.16 | asg | alex__: it is sunday after all |
| 18:08.18 | mwilson | chris`: Oh, my mistake. |
| 18:08.18 | zu22 | ~lart ralf |
| 18:08.38 | alex__ | What do you mean "with a lot of work" ? |
| 18:08.47 | asg | mwilson: have fun |
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| 18:09.16 | asg | mwilson: unless you are being dragged by a Sig O who wants to fawn over Vigo |
| 18:09.29 | alex__ | mwilson, why did you say that I don't know about optimization? |
| 18:09.35 | zu22 | asg: the film wasn't that hot either |
| 18:09.36 | alex__ | just curious |
| 18:09.46 | caphuso | alex__: it'll be a lot of work, compiling megabytes of source code after compiling more megabytes of source code, wasting days, just to get this 0.1% speed increase that's gonna be eaten away by the CPU cycles you wasted to compile everything |
| 18:09.46 | mwilson | alex__: You *do* make it rather obvious. |
| 18:10.01 | asg | zu22: it was fine, I just prefer DVD rentals because then I can eat pizza and drink beer (and not have screaming kids) |
| 18:10.04 | mwilson | asg: No, just me. I enjoy the film. |
| 18:10.08 | asg | mwilson: cool |
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| 18:10.14 | alex__ | why do I run -current (NetBSD) ?? |
| 18:10.23 | alex__ | ok... because of hardware... |
| 18:10.24 | alex__ | right |
| 18:10.31 | mwilson | alex__: No one knows or cares why you do. |
| 18:10.33 | alex__ | you love binaries |
| 18:10.37 | mwilson | I do? |
| 18:10.40 | zu22 | alex__ calm down dude, lol |
| 18:10.51 | alex__ | but shit, why not to be able to compile? |
| 18:11.02 | tjk | the real quesiton is why |
| 18:11.02 | Nurbs | you can compile with debian |
| 18:11.06 | chris` | alex: we can if we want, that's why there's a manpage for apt |
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| 18:11.18 | alex__ | np. I used Debian... without big problems |
| 18:11.22 | caphuso | alex__: to be able to compile doesn't mean that you have to compile. you compile when it's the better way, not for the fun of compiling |
| 18:11.28 | mwilson | Funny, I hadn't noticed Debian not shipping with a C compiler. If you were going to make that decision for the distribution, don't you think you should have told someone? |
| 18:11.50 | alex__ | but, well i simply want to customize it a bit, since I am gonna use pkgsrc on it |
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| 18:11.55 | alex__ | That is it |
| 18:11.56 | chris` | caphuso: you just shattered the dreams of lots of gentoo haxz0rs |
| 18:11.56 | caphuso | alex__: you're not |
| 18:12.14 | caphuso | why the fuck would you put a second package management system on top of debian? |
| 18:12.15 | asg | chris`: most people who use gentoo do it because they love Larry the Cow |
| 18:12.28 | alex__ | I meant the different thing |
| 18:12.29 | zu22 | chris`: pipe dreams :D |
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| 18:12.47 | chris` | heh |
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| 18:12.55 | alex__ | nothing to say? |
| 18:13.03 | zu22 | gentoo haxz0rs : mirc haxz0rs as Winblows : AOLuser |
| 18:13.14 | CASP | if I have two outgoing interfaces, how to give one priority over other? |
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| 18:13.38 | chris` | zu22: I've been getting a kick out of all the people I've seen with idents of "linux" and mIRC quit messages |
| 18:13.44 | alex__ | Ok |
| 18:13.49 | zu22 | chris`: haha that is funny |
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| 18:14.08 | alex__ | Why do you hate the idea of building from source? |
| 18:14.18 | chris` | When did we hate building from source? |
| 18:14.23 | alex__ | now |
| 18:14.24 | caphuso | alex__: because it's a waste of time and generally only done by stupid gentoo morons |
| 18:14.32 | chris` | Hell, several of the applications I use I build from source |
| 18:14.40 | caphuso | or *BSD users that really should use gentoo instead |
| 18:14.42 | alex__ | I am not a gentoo guy, neither a moron |
| 18:14.47 | chris` | But I need a *reason* to not install the binary |
| 18:14.59 | alex__ | security |
| 18:15.01 | ManuChao | Hello, I'm having a linking problem trying to compile a usb camera driver (spca50x): ld: unrecognized option '--relocateable'; Can anybody give me a hand? |
| 18:15.04 | caphuso | alex__: bullshit |
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| 18:15.09 | alex__ | portability |
| 18:15.12 | alex__ | :) |
| 18:15.16 | alex__ | pkgsrc |
| 18:15.18 | caphuso | alex__: compiling from source is NOT more secure and NOT more portable |
| 18:15.20 | chris` | Does the source have something I need? Is it more current (and has a reason to upgrade)? Do I need to build the package specially to tailor for a specific need? |
| 18:15.22 | mwilson | Really. What does "security" have to do with it? Or "portability"? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 18:15.26 | alex__ | wait |
| 18:15.31 | alex__ | wao! |
| 18:16.00 | alex__ | so, are you trying to say that i can use the same binary on multiple architectures? |
| 18:16.12 | alex__ | Sounds... stupid? |
| 18:16.16 | caphuso | alex__: it does |
| 18:16.19 | tjk | no, we're saying we already have all the binaries for many architectures |
| 18:16.20 | mwilson | No, I rather thought everyone was trying to say you were clueless. |
| 18:16.29 | alex__ | So... |
| 18:16.30 | tam9 | caphuso: i apologise about earlier. read a bit more and I understand what you guys meant |
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| 18:16.33 | caphuso | alex__: it doesn't work, that's why packages are compiled for several architectures |
| 18:16.46 | ManuChao | any ideas? |
| 18:16.46 | caphuso | quite the concept |
| 18:16.46 | alex__ | I know. |
| 18:16.52 | mwilson | But... the real question is why are you here? Why are you interested in how *we* do things? |
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| 18:17.03 | caphuso | alex__: you know something about compiling/building packages? i doubt that |
| 18:17.12 | chris` | caphuso: blasphemy! If I want binary portability I need to build *everything* from source!!!1111!1!!1 |
| 18:17.13 | mwilson | We're really not interested in being "saver", especially by the likes of YOU. |
| 18:17.15 | alex__ | Can you logically explain me why am I wrong? |
| 18:17.25 | Elimin8or | No mater what I do. I cant boot any other kernel other then the 2.4.18 one I get this error: VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or hda1 Please append a correct "root" boot option, Kernel panic; VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda1.. it working on the kernel once then stoped working a few months ago.. now I cant even get it to work on anything. except the 2.4.18 one. any idea? and yes I have IDE Staticly compiled in. and I have all IDE |
| 18:17.33 | fatal__ | anyone in here ever heard "don't feed the trolls" ?????? |
| 18:17.39 | caphuso | alex__: no, because nothing you said was logical, so nobody can respond logically |
| 18:17.58 | asg | Elimin8or: did you follow the initrd instructions (provided you installed a debian kernel image?) |
| 18:18.00 | alex__ | Can you show that? |
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| 18:18.03 | mwilson | Elimin8or: Yes, yes, and what filesystem is on your root partition, and do you have support for that filesystem in the kernel you're trying to boot? |
| 18:18.05 | chris` | So alex thinks source is safer, let's start there. How is source safer? |
| 18:18.07 | tjk | Elimin8or: which partition is your root partition? |
| 18:18.07 | caphuso | alex__: but for a start: watching gcc output scroll by real fast is not going to make a difference security wise |
| 18:18.08 | ManuChao | Hello, I'm having a linking problem trying to compile a usb camera driver (spca50x): ld: unrecognized option '--relocateable'; Can anybody give me a hand? |
| 18:18.10 | alex__ | Reasoning, not empty words, please |
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| 18:18.20 | alex__ | hmm |
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| 18:18.36 | Elimin8or | hda1 is my root partition and yes I have the correct filesystem.. ex2 and ex3 and IDE support.. |
| 18:18.43 | caphuso | carefully reading and checking the source code before you compile is something different, but alex__'s surely not doing that |
| 18:18.44 | guest | hey when i run /etc/cron.daily/shadow i get a shitload of error messages like missing groups and users |
| 18:18.45 | alex__ | funny, but can you really trust any binary |
| 18:18.48 | chris` | Obviously you're not going to audit every package you install so where is this "safety" comping from |
| 18:18.50 | guest | how do i fix this? |
| 18:18.53 | zu22 | chris`: dammit i want a distro where i must compile everything each time i boot, that would make me so 3l33t! ;) |
| 18:18.53 | alex__ | yes, I don't |
| 18:18.53 | chris` | *coming |
| 18:19.02 | Elimin8or | its kinda annoying cause it worked for so long then one day boom |
| 18:19.08 | tjk | alex__: I'm curious to know why you trust the source? |
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| 18:19.10 | alex__ | well, there are other developers to do that |
| 18:19.10 | asg | alex__: no, but some risks must be taken or why even get out of bed in the morning |
| 18:19.13 | chris` | zu22: When you finally booted I would congratulate you on your l33titude |
| 18:19.14 | ManuChao | alex__: are you a gentoo user? |
| 18:19.15 | caphuso | alex__: which means that installing a binary is as secure as using the source for you |
| 18:19.17 | Gathond | alex, you can trust a binary as much as source code you haven't read through |
| 18:19.17 | Elimin8or | Im thinking a lilo config or something |
| 18:19.17 | Eno_ | alex__ do you read every line of the source before compiling? |
| 18:19.21 | mwilson | Oh, *now* he's a developer. |
| 18:19.23 | guest | "hey when i run /etc/cron.daily/shadow i get a shitload of error messages like missing groups and users" |
| 18:19.24 | tam9 | does anyone know which kernel versions comes with http://ftp.kfki.hu/linux/cdimages/debian-unofficial/sid/ I've tryed to find out but can't find any info on it. it came from the official debian.org mirror list |
| 18:19.26 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 18:19.29 | zu22 | chris`: (: |
| 18:19.39 | alex__ | yes, yes, building from source involves some risks |
| 18:19.44 | tam9 | ? |
| 18:19.45 | caphuso | mwilson: he probably develops an annoying habit |
| 18:19.45 | tjk | the same risks |
| 18:19.49 | alex__ | Nothing is absolutely secure. |
| 18:19.49 | tjk | MORE risks, even |
| 18:19.49 | mwilson | tam9: Since they're unofficial images, ask whoever created them. |
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| 18:20.04 | mwilson | tam9: Hint... the kando images are not installable. |
| 18:20.04 | alex__ | I even used some prebuild packages for my NetBSD system. |
| 18:20.09 | alex__ | Right. |
| 18:20.26 | tam9 | mwilson: so if i was to download one of those cd's it would be useless, then? |
| 18:20.31 | chris` | mwilson: Guess what color my laptop is. |
| 18:20.43 | Gathond | alex__: its about as safe, you can trust the binary if you can trust the source it was build from ... as if you build it |
| 18:20.44 | asg | chris`: denim? |
| 18:20.45 | mwilson | tam9: Whether it's useless or not depends on the use you intend to put it to. |
| 18:20.49 | ManuChao | well, bye, i see this is a trolling-only channel |
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| 18:20.55 | alex__ | But still, no really |
| 18:21.04 | mwilson | chris`: If you're going to tell me that they sent you a powerbook to replace the ibook, I'm going to scream. |
| 18:21.07 | tjk | alex__: just stop. sheesh. |
| 18:21.10 | alex__ | How do I know that this binary was build from that source |
| 18:21.11 | chris` | mwilson: It has no color, I still don't fucking have it |
| 18:21.12 | tam9 | mwilson: hoping to replace it with a rooted debian box. |
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| 18:22.00 | alex__ | I am not an enemy. I listen to arguments. |
| 18:22.00 | mwilson | chris`: Ack! Where is it? |
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| 18:22.00 | chris` | mwilson: the broken one is in my closet, who knows where the new one I'm being sent is |
| 18:22.09 | mwilson | Didn't they send you a tracking number? |
| 18:22.37 | chris` | Nope, I suspect it hasn't been shipped yet |
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| 18:22.58 | Gathond | alex__: trust, the same trust that the source you downloaded is just what it claims to be and not a trojan |
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| 18:23.13 | alex__ | Yes. |
| 18:23.30 | mwilson | Tell the FSF about source security, after Savannah was compromised twice in six months. |
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| 18:23.34 | chris` | If I want to make sure I know what source the binary was built with I can use the source option in apt. |
| 18:23.51 | mwilson | Automatically assuming that source is magically more secure than an equivalent binary is moronic. |
| 18:23.54 | chris` | mwilson: hurd is obviously the best |
| 18:24.08 | Gathond | alex__: you could read that source and be sure yes .. but if you dont you cant trust the produced binary anyway |
| 18:24.11 | ccg | hi i got a subnet via nics between pc (debian) and a notebook (windows), i can only ping the pc from the notebook but not the notebook from the pc, what could be the reason ? |
| 18:24.21 | chris` | Gathond: hell, that's assuming he can understand all the source |
| 18:24.33 | Gathond | chris, true |
| 18:24.33 | alex__ | Actually, just think of how much binaries must be built to ensure that they are compatible with the libraries' versions and run on different architectures. |
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| 18:24.50 | caphuso | alex__: not a problem |
| 18:24.54 | tjk | alex__: that's why we have distributions. |
| 18:24.55 | alex__ | ? |
| 18:24.58 | tjk | like debian |
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| 18:25.18 | chris` | hrmm, I don't seem to be on oftc |
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| 18:25.32 | Gathond | alex__: ensuring these to be compatible is the build system + package systems job |
| 18:25.54 | alex__ | but you may have to build packages |
| 18:26.02 | caphuso | you may not |
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| 18:26.22 | mxn | Hi. I've got a WYSE 120ES terminal sitting here. Has anyone got experience setting one up with Linux? |
| 18:26.22 | alex__ | of course, that's why there're binaries on netbsd.org ;) |
| 18:26.25 | tjk | i've never had to build anything except winex (not in debian afaik) and mplayer (needed to in order to play some files) |
| 18:26.39 | caphuso | tjk: get marillat's mplayer .deb |
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| 18:26.55 | alex__ | Ok, I asked the question, because I wanted to customize Debian a bit. |
| 18:26.58 | asuffield | tjk: you didn't need to build mplayer. you could just use xine |
| 18:27.08 | alex__ | I just need a base system... custom base system. |
| 18:27.16 | tjk | caphuso: i'll look at it someday, but I did this one a year ago and it works just fine. if it aint broke... |
| 18:27.34 | chris` | I build mplayer personally, but that's because I recall there being something I didn't like about marillat's packages. Can't remember what anymore though |
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| 18:27.49 | alex__ | With NetBSD you could always grab sources and bootstrap one. |
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| 18:28.04 | TurkeR | how can i add /root/package/*.deb files to my sources.list |
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| 18:28.13 | tjk | don't |
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| 18:28.26 | alex__ | I am NOT against binaries, but I say that sources should not be neglected. |
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| 18:28.30 | Gathond | TurkeR: dont, use dpkg -i "package" to install them |
| 18:28.31 | peterS | TurkeR: you have to run 'dpkg-scanpackages' in that directory, to produce a Packages file |
| 18:28.34 | beta3 | asg: I should be able to use ipv6 now |
| 18:28.49 | peterS | TurkeR: Gathond is right, though - it's usually easier just to install such files with 'dpkg -i' directly |
| 18:29.00 | mwilson | Does Sun sell a Crossbow mouse that has a wheel? |
| 18:29.08 | TurkeR | thanks a lot :) |
| 18:29.14 | Rza`` | the computer i'm presently on i got from my brother after he got a new 1; he told me at the time he purchased it he opted for a cd writer instead of a dvd player; however when i run the command dmesg | grep hd it yields : |
| 18:29.22 | TurkeR | can i use with apt-get install? |
| 18:29.31 | Rza`` | hda: IC35L020AVER07-0, ATA DISK drive |
| 18:29.31 | Rza`` | hdc: CRD-8482B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 18:29.31 | Rza`` | hdd: LITE-ON LTR-24102M, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 18:29.31 | Rza`` | hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100) |
| 18:29.32 | Rza`` | hdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 18:29.34 | Rza`` | hdd: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
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| 18:29.34 | alex__ | So... can I bootstrap a base Debian system? |
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| 18:29.46 | peterS | TurkeR: only if you create an index file with dpkg-scanpackages, and add something to /etc/apt/sources.list. usually this is too much trouble. |
| 18:29.51 | Rza`` | what do u guys think - sorry about the paste |
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| 18:30.10 | TurkeR | peterS : thanks |
| 18:30.12 | lathiat | anyone know how to reset the packet counter of an indivudal iptables rule (and not a chain) |
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| 18:31.04 | peterS | Rza``: looks like you have a CD-ROM drive and a CD-RW drive. |
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| 18:31.10 | asg | beta3: *nod* |
| 18:31.15 | alex__ | Too proud? |
| 18:31.16 | gratuit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.24 | alex__ | too stupid... ;) |
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| 18:31.28 | Rza`` | peterS, what's w/ the line about dvd? |
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| 18:31.42 | peterS | Rza``: like gratuit just said, that means "CD or DVD". |
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| 18:31.55 | peterS | Rza``: in your case it is only a CD-ROM |
| 18:32.14 | Rza`` | oh i see |
| 18:32.15 | Rza`` | sux. |
| 18:32.18 | Rza`` | got my hopes u[ |
| 18:32.31 | peterS | Rza``: heh. sorry to have to tell you that (: |
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| 18:32.40 | chris` | DVD-Rom drives cost like $20 now |
| 18:32.54 | Rza`` | good to know |
| 18:33.00 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 18:33.08 | Rza`` | switched from *box to ice recently |
| 18:33.16 | Rza`` | latter's so much better |
| 18:33.29 | beta3 | asg: can't believe I actually have to use crap identd to connect to efnet |
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| 18:33.38 | asg | beta3: hehe |
| 18:33.53 | beta3 | asg: now I can go surf and get some music, with a nice masked ip |
| 18:33.54 | mwilson | People still use icewm? |
| 18:33.59 | beta3 | sure |
| 18:34.00 | zu22 | beta3: why would u want to go on efnet though ;) |
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| 18:34.13 | zu22 | mwilson: what wm u use? |
| 18:34.15 | beta3 | zu22: I need to talk to the people that worked for comcast |
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| 18:34.18 | Rza`` | mwilson, absolutely |
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| 18:34.21 | keyz | lo |
| 18:34.21 | zu22 | beta3: ah |
| 18:34.36 | beta3 | zu22: that hang around the uncapper channel all the time |
| 18:34.39 | Rza`` | ice's it's functional while very lightweight |
| 18:34.49 | Rza`` | drop the it's |
| 18:34.49 | keyz | Bus 002 Device 006 , for usb is /dev/sdb6 ? |
| 18:34.50 | Rza`` | full kb support |
| 18:34.56 | Rza`` | gorgeous |
| 18:34.59 | chris` | I thought icewm was basically abandoned |
| 18:35.17 | Rza`` | heh |
| 18:35.20 | tix64 | chris`: not anymore |
| 18:35.27 | mwilson | icewm still doesn't support wm-spec, right? |
| 18:35.39 | Rza`` | latest unstable was just released |
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| 18:36.07 | Rza`` | oh i'm having a font problem |
| 18:36.18 | Rza`` | i formatted my machine |
| 18:36.26 | Rza`` | prior to doing so i had the same distro, same software |
| 18:36.28 | chris` | hrmmm |
| 18:36.31 | Rza`` | now |
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| 18:36.40 | mwilson | Rza``: bfd... any decent window manager supports key bindings. Does it or does it not support wm-spec? |
| 18:36.41 | chris` | I thought icewm had no maintainers/developers anymore |
| 18:37.01 | mwilson | chris`: No, upstream picked it up again. |
| 18:37.32 | chris` | gah, son of a bitch |
| 18:37.46 | chris` | helvetica is all fucked up in emacs on another system |
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| 18:38.16 | Rza`` | i'm reportedly missing lucida |
| 18:38.17 | mwilson | Rza``: Well? |
| 18:38.25 | Rza`` | i don't have a nice font now |
| 18:38.28 | Rza`` | and last night |
| 18:38.41 | asg | '...I found my guitar on the fire' -- Neil, The Young Ones |
| 18:38.44 | mwilson | I didn't ask you about fonts. I asked you about wm-spec. |
| 18:38.53 | Ryuujin | damn dvi2vga adapter.. why can't it just work? O.o |
| 18:39.04 | Rza`` | after restarting my wm, the font's gotten more distorted, spacing is all off etc |
| 18:39.06 | Phobo | Why can't I find any manual for the command "jobs", "fg", "bg"? any ideer? ( ie can you self type "man jobs" ) |
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| 18:39.16 | Rza`` | icewm.org mwilson |
| 18:39.20 | Rza`` | go try it |
| 18:39.25 | tjk | they're bash internals, iirc, phobo |
| 18:39.48 | Xenguy | Rza``: yeah, unfortunately I had a similar font prob w/ Ice -- I ended up switching back to wmaker |
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| 18:39.52 | mwilson | Rza``: Thank you, I know where the web site is. That's not what I asked you either. I asked you if it supported wm-spec. |
| 18:39.53 | P_ablo | fxp upload doesn work on proftpd, any ideas why ? (allowfor<sth> is on) |
| 18:40.11 | Phobo | tjk: Soo. that means what? Where can I read about them? |
| 18:40.11 | Rza`` | Xenguy, |
| 18:40.13 | mwilson | Why do warezers always use proftpd? |
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| 18:40.17 | Rza`` | i didn't have this proplem before |
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| 18:40.23 | tjk | Phobo: under man bash |
| 18:40.28 | P_ablo | mwilson: glFTPd |
| 18:40.30 | tjk | it's a long man page, though |
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| 18:40.31 | P_ablo | but its just small site |
| 18:40.33 | Xenguy | mwilson: Who knows who supports it? The chart on freedesktop.org is out of date itself |
| 18:40.34 | Rza`` | it wasn't until i formatted my system, backing it up exactly as it previousl was |
| 18:40.34 | P_ablo | not big affil |
| 18:40.35 | Phobo | tjk: ok, thanx! |
| 18:40.39 | amphi | Phobo: man `basename $SHELL` |
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| 18:40.51 | chris` | mwilson: probably because it works without any thought needed to set it uo |
| 18:40.53 | chris` | *up |
| 18:41.01 | mwilson | Xenguy: Fortunately the chart the God-King supposedly maintains isn't relevant either. |
| 18:41.38 | Rza`` | libiconv readily come up in apt get search |
| 18:41.42 | Xenguy | mwilson: I wouldn't run any of those listed anyway - why is wm-spec so important to you anyway? |
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| 18:42.11 | tjk | Xenguy: go find out what it is, you'll see why. |
| 18:42.14 | asg | chris`: thought that was pureftpd |
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| 18:42.49 | chris` | asg: I could be wrong. After all, I'm not l33t enough to be a warezer |
| 18:43.01 | mwilson | Xenguy: It's not. It's just a measure to use for determining how "current" a window manager is. |
| 18:43.28 | P_ablo | so anyone knows what can cause fxp upload not to work ? |
| 18:43.30 | Wyzard | Does anyone here have an ext2/3 filesystem bigger than 131GB, or a reiserfs bigger than 160GB? |
| 18:43.32 | alexz | Hi dudes, how do I get dpkg -l to print full package names... to pipe to xargs aptitude :) |
| 18:43.41 | asg | chris`: nor I, I have to use 'filters' to understand such things ;) |
| 18:43.46 | Xenguy | mwilson: well fine, but I'm not going to stop using wmaker for instance just because it's not on somebody's 'spec' list either |
| 18:43.50 | mwilson | P_ablo: Surely your little warezer buddies can help you. |
| 18:43.51 | sussudio | ~dudes |
| 18:43.59 | mwilson | Xenguy: Nor should you. |
| 18:44.04 | ljlane | alexz: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l blah |
| 18:44.14 | chris` | I recall having proftpd having a large amount of documentation |
| 18:44.16 | mwilson | Xenguy: No one made any mention at all of what window manager you should use. |
| 18:44.17 | alexz | ljlane, thanks for your help |
| 18:44.20 | chris` | errr |
| 18:44.25 | gate | could anyone tell me everyplace that evolution actually stores settings. I'm trying to completely wipe my local config for it bug will be dammed if I can find everything. I have found evolution and .gnome2_private/evoltion but there are still more |
| 18:44.28 | mwilson | chris`: It does. |
| 18:44.32 | chris` | s/having proftpd/proftpd/ |
| 18:44.48 | mwilson | gate: Welcome to Gnome crap. It's all in the gconf database. |
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| 18:44.57 | ljlane | alexz: thank the person who wrote the dpkg man page :) |
| 18:45.08 | mwilson | gate: Which, of course, has no interface comprehensible to modern man. |
| 18:45.16 | alexz | ljlane, I'll praise that guy :) |
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| 18:45.25 | alexz | hmm, didn't find it in the man page |
| 18:45.31 | VynoM | what file do I edit to change fluxbox to default wm? I don't have a ~/.xinitrc |
| 18:45.35 | alexz | gonna go, thanks |
| 18:45.50 | atrus | gate: gconf--recursive-unset /apps/evolution |
| 18:45.52 | Xenguy | VynoM: you could create the file |
| 18:46.03 | mwilson | VynoM: Then create one. Seems easy enough. |
| 18:46.07 | gratuit | VynoM: do you start X with startx or through a display manager? |
| 18:46.09 | atrus | gate: er, no... sorry... gconftool-2 --recursive-unset |
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| 18:46.12 | mwilson | Only requires actually switching the brain on. |
| 18:46.22 | VynoM | gratuit startx |
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| 18:46.33 | VynoM | I already installed fluxbox from a tarball |
| 18:46.35 | gratuit | VynoM: yeah just create it then |
| 18:46.36 | gate | thanks |
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| 18:46.43 | VynoM | gratuit ok, thanks |
| 18:46.46 | mwilson | VynoM: $ echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc and you're done. |
| 18:47.08 | atrus | gate: you can also use gconf-editor for a gui for accessing these settings |
| 18:47.08 | chris` | mwilson: exec isn't even required |
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| 18:47.30 | streuner | What ports should be open in order to run traceroute through an hardware-router? |
| 18:47.33 | DebianZero | 0 Partial Content |
| 18:47.35 | mwilson | chris`: If you don't, then the sh that was executing hangs around. |
| 18:47.39 | tjk | although probably preferrable to avoid filling you process listings with junk |
| 18:47.51 | chris` | good point |
| 18:47.59 | mwilson | streuner: None. traceroute isn't tcp, it's icmp. |
| 18:48.09 | VynoM | mwilson thanks. That was too easy. I may have to read more into shell scripting |
| 18:48.25 | mwilson | VynoM: Shell scripting? What does shell scripting have to do with this? |
| 18:48.34 | thomas_adam | VynoM: ~/.xinitrc is only read by xinit. I would suggest ~/.xsession |
| 18:48.39 | baz | technically .xinitrc is a shell script |
| 18:48.39 | streuner | mwilson: well, ping works but NOT traceroute |
| 18:48.44 | peterS | mwilson: there do exist UDP versions of traceroute, which are useful when a stupid netadmin blocks ICMPs |
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| 18:48.54 | DebianZero | This error in apt-get happens |
| 18:48.55 | peterS | mwilson: I don't know which UDP port these things use, though |
| 18:49.00 | mwilson | streuner: Then unblock whatever you've put in to stop it. |
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| 18:49.16 | mwilson | peterS: When did traceroute start using UDP? |
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| 18:49.25 | streuner | peterS, mwilson, i know which one is very stupid :-) |
| 18:49.29 | peterS | mwilson: the standard one doesn't. I'm saying there are implementations that do. |
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| 18:49.57 | gate | aaww, gconf is like the dam windows resgistry |
| 18:50.13 | Nurbs | yep. |
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| 18:50.32 | mwilson | gate: No, actually it's nothing like it at all. |
| 18:50.35 | atrus | gate: yes and no. similar concept, much different implementation. |
| 18:50.36 | streuner | peterS: thanks |
| 18:50.36 | tjk | except it fixes a few problems |
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| 18:50.46 | mwilson | gate: Doesn't make it any less obscure, though. |
| 18:50.48 | Nurbs | it's still awful |
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| 18:51.08 | mwilson | You have to remember, the God-King knows far better than you how you should be using your machine. |
| 18:51.16 | gate | just makes it harder to vi my config files |
| 18:51.21 | mwilson | Trust the God-King. The God-King is good. |
| 18:51.35 | P_ablo | in proftpd doc i can only find allowforeignaddress on |
| 18:51.45 | P_ablo | no problems with upload documentated |
| 18:51.50 | baz | God-King ? am I missing something? |
| 18:52.00 | Xenguy | me too |
| 18:52.48 | mwilson | P_ablo: Don't the other warezers you run with have anything to say about your problem? |
| 18:53.17 | chris` | mwilson: maybe he hasn't achieved true warezer status because his ftp isn't up yet |
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| 18:54.07 | peterS | chris`: so, a chicken-and-egg problem. must suck to be him |
| 18:54.07 | chris` | peterS: aye |
| 18:54.14 | streuner | peterS: well, traceroute use by default UDP |
| 18:54.20 | mcgroarty | hmm. ipmasq stopped working after a sid upgrade. didn't think I saw the package itself in the upgrade list. |
| 18:54.30 | mwilson | streuner: Really. When did you make that decision for the developers? |
| 18:54.31 | P_ablo | mwilson: its just small private ftp |
| 18:54.39 | peterS | streuner: check out 'tcptraceroute'. 'apt-cache show' makes it look interesting |
| 18:54.47 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.47 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.47 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.49 | streuner | mwilson: man traceroute |
| 18:55.04 | mwilson | Funny, my man page makes it quite explicit that it's using ICMP as it's supposed to be. |
| 18:55.12 | streuner | mwilson: -I Use ICMP ECHO instead of UDP datagrams. |
| 18:55.19 | peterS | P_ablo: so you say. nobody outside the warez community seems to care much about fxp, though, which is why we think what we think |
| 18:55.37 | tam9 | bye all |
| 18:55.55 | mwilson | peterS: You know, probably what he's trying to do is mirror a warez archive somewhere ELSE to his own box. |
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| 18:55.57 | chris` | Who needs fxp when you have scp? |
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| 18:56.13 | mwilson | chris`: They don't do the same job. |
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| 18:56.23 | Wyzard | mwilson: It appears that traceroute sends UDP datagrams out and expects ICMP messages back |
| 18:56.33 | P_ablo | mwilson: im not trying to mirror anything |
| 18:56.35 | peterS | chris`: my understanding is that many warezers are sitting on windoze and don't have such advanced things as scp |
| 18:56.43 | chris` | mwilson: Isn't scping from a remote host to a remote host the same as fxp? |
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| 18:56.55 | mwilson | P_ablo: Really. And what are you moving via fxp, mr wannabee warezer? |
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| 18:57.04 | P_ablo | music |
| 18:57.09 | chris` | Well hell, I probably don't know how fxp works. I'm not l33t enough |
| 18:57.09 | P_ablo | only some mp3s |
| 18:57.19 | mwilson | chris`: fxm works without the middleman. |
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| 18:57.43 | Wyzard | chris`: fxp transfers files directly from one FTP server to another -- it doesn't pass through the client who's connected to both servers |
| 18:58.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: Neither does scp in his example. |
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| 18:58.53 | taz_ | Ok just a stupid ?? How do I resync my hotplug or whatever when I remove and replace usb drive after I do I get " No such device or address"?? |
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| 18:59.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: You're saying that "scp host1:file1 host2:file2" will cause host1 to send the file directly to host2, and not to the client who will then send it to host2? |
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| 18:59.34 | elbi | just installed debian unstable, x and gnome 2 |
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| 19:00.04 | elbi | but i'm having problems with gtk 1.2 application fonts - they all look very ugly |
| 19:00.09 | peterS | Wyzard: dunno if the actual openssh version of scp does this, but it is certainly possible to implement that |
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| 19:00.15 | peterS | Wyzard: using existing openssh servers, I mean |
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| 19:00.23 | elbi | any way to use the same engine as gnome 2 for these applications (like mozilla and vmware)? |
| 19:00.30 | Dmtalon | is there a list of apt servers on debian's home page? |
| 19:00.58 | sussudio | ~sunday |
| 19:01.01 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 19:01.13 | sussudio | bah. |
| 19:01.22 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I didn't say that. |
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| 19:01.51 | Wyzard | peterS: It would amount to doing an SSH login to host1 and doing "scp file1 host2:file2" from there |
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| 19:02.04 | peterS | Wyzard: yes, exactly. |
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| 19:02.58 | peterS | Wyzard: except that it would be nice if it would also convert 'host2' to an IP address on the client (in case the name lookups are different on host1) and transmit the cached host key for host2 |
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| 19:04.19 | DerBadejunge | may an empty cd of 800mb filled with a vcd work an most of the DVD players ??? |
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| 19:09.05 | streuner | Wyzard: that's exactly what you said, i got at port 80 response, but none of the servers between... |
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| 19:09.57 | streuner | root@cnusper:/home/user# tcptraceroute google.de |
| 19:10.02 | taz_ | Ok just a stupid ?? How do I resync my hotplug or whatever when I remove and replace usb drive after I do I get " No such device or address"?? |
| 19:10.14 | Recon1 | greetings all |
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| 19:10.36 | DerBadejunge | may an empty cd of 800mb filled with a vcd work an most of the DVD players ??? |
| 19:10.47 | streuner | 12 www.google.com (216.239.39.100) [open] 195.054 ms 344.434 ms 195.572 ms |
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| 19:11.08 | linuxfreck | DerBadejunge: most dvd players do have vcd support |
| 19:11.13 | Eludias | Installing fcron instead of anacron does not run the cron jobs in /etc/cron.* by default; anyone knows why? |
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| 19:11.55 | DerBadejunge | linuxfreck: so there will be no difference between 650 700 or 800mb ? |
| 19:12.08 | Recon1 | can I use aptitude to upgrade my debian from woody from potato? |
| 19:12.19 | Recon1 | err from woody TO potato |
| 19:12.23 | asg | Recon1: that would be a downgrade |
| 19:12.33 | Recon1 | ERR potato to woody.....sorry :/ |
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| 19:13.09 | asg | Recon1: /msg dpkg potato->woody (contains all you need to know) |
| 19:13.33 | Recon1 | i did that procedure but i think everything is the same |
| 19:13.41 | linuxfreck | DerBadejunge: you can put a 800 mb vcd image onto a standard 80 min disc |
| 19:13.44 | asg | Recon1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:14.28 | Wyzard | Anyone here have an ext2/3 bigger than 128GB, or a reiserfs bigger than 156.25GB? |
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| 19:15.12 | Recon1 | asg: Debian 3.0 is my current version |
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| 19:15.27 | asg | Recon1: that's woody then |
| 19:15.35 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 19:15.38 | thomas_adam | I have a headache |
| 19:15.52 | asg | thomas_adam: take Excedrine (or a parasetemol) |
| 19:15.58 | Recon1 | asg: this is more or less the latest, right? |
| 19:16.04 | thomas_adam | asg: some would say cyanide :) |
| 19:16.12 | asg | Recon1: that is the latest stable Debian release, yes |
| 19:16.27 | gratuit | Recon1: testing or unstable are more current, but less stable |
| 19:16.27 | Recon1 | asg: should i upgrade from gnome 1.4? |
| 19:16.27 | asg | Recon1: make sure your security sources are pointing to woody / stable also |
| 19:16.39 | peterS | thomas_adam: btw, redrick seems to be alive. you were paging him earlier |
| 19:16.41 | asg | Recon1: not if you are happy with 1.4 |
| 19:16.53 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
| 19:17.03 | thomas_adam | peterS: aye |
| 19:17.04 | Recon1 | asg: it's kinda boring. KDE looked nicer but was less stable on my swystem |
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| 19:17.45 | Recon1 | asg: I want to make sure i have the latest before i really start delving into the world of debian :) |
| 19:17.46 | asg | Recon1: well, woody is stable. If you really have to have newer versions of Gnome or KDE, you could look at backports.org || www.apt-get.org (though these are unofficial) |
| 19:18.10 | pronik | Hello, guys! Anybody using KBabel here? |
| 19:18.21 | asg | Recon1: you will be better served understanding the stable distribution before cutting you teeth on the testing / unstable distributions |
| 19:18.24 | Recon1 | asg: cool, thanks |
| 19:18.47 | asg | Recon1: you're welcome (/msg dpkg sid faq -- if you wish to explore some of the issues with unstable) |
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| 19:19.39 | redrick | Greetings, O Thomas. |
| 19:19.51 | thomas_adam | redrick: ah, brb -- tea brews |
| 19:19.59 | asg | !gobsmite thomas_adam |
| 19:20.05 | Recon1 | should I upgrade my linux kernel from 2.2.2? |
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| 19:20.34 | redrick | Recon1: Which of the 11 architectures are you on? |
| 19:20.36 | asg | Recon1: 2.2.2 or 2.2.20 ? |
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| 19:20.49 | simonrvn | @fart |
| 19:20.51 | asg | redrick: he's running woody |
| 19:21.07 | neekos | Im about to install windows onto a spare partition, i dont have a rescue disk, how will i be able to re-run lilo once windows is installed |
| 19:21.08 | peterS | asg: that wasn't the question. woody runs on 11 architectures |
| 19:21.14 | Recon1 | asg: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 19:21.21 | simonrvn | @real kernel |
| 19:21.21 | ravenbird | from memory, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. |
| 19:21.25 | asg | peterS: gloink, need to clean the glasses again ;) |
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| 19:22.03 | edd | ravenbird: do you know if the kernel you mentioned contains this root exploit fix? |
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| 19:22.42 | c0n | could anyone tell me when there will be a netinstall out with 2.6.0 ? |
| 19:22.59 | asg | edd: apt, dpkg, modconf, and ravenbird are the resident bots |
| 19:23.04 | peterS | edd: indeed. to save you time, the other bots are apt, dpkg, and modconf (: |
| 19:23.06 | asg | edd: sgeigerbot doesn't count though |
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| 19:23.23 | simonrvn | edd: yes the woody kernels are patched |
| 19:23.32 | edd | thanks guys. |
| 19:23.33 | redrick | c0n: Sooner, if you help. http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
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| 19:23.45 | edd | simonrvn: ah ok. thats good to hear. |
| 19:24.26 | CASP6 | how to give priority one inner ethernet interface over other in linux or build one QoS classes tree on several interfaces? |
| 19:24.36 | redrick | c0n: Do you have some architecture on which it's impossible to complete installation with a 2.4.x kernel, and then install a 2.6 via apt-get? |
| 19:24.50 | joseph_ | This machine runs woody and I have my mouse working in console with gpm. I also have sid running chroot on vt8 and then sid's X on vt9. With gpm running from time to time the mouse flies around the screen. |
| 19:25.05 | joseph_ | the pointer not the actual device. That would be a neat trick. |
| 19:25.30 | petemc | heh |
| 19:25.33 | asg | joseph_: are you using /dev/gpmdata to provide the prot to X? |
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| 19:25.49 | peterS | redrick: a machine with a USB keyboard might fall into this category. I've had very limited luck getting those to work with 2.4 |
| 19:25.50 | joseph_ | With woody's gpm stopped the mouse behaves. |
| 19:26.16 | joseph_ | asg, in the chroot sid's x config, no. |
| 19:26.26 | c0n | redrick its just becauce i have a SATA disk, and therefore i cant install it with the 2.4.x kernel .. because there isn't support for sata in it .. and im not so good taht i can loade a module, or what you have to do to make it work .. ive just started.. |
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| 19:26.32 | simonrvn | CASP6: ticallion went to take care of a natural function, he'll be with you in a minute or so |
| 19:26.35 | c0n | did you understand that? |
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| 19:27.05 | redrick | c0n: Yes, thanks. That is a dilemma. |
| 19:27.17 | joseph_ | asg, Do you think I should run another gpm in sid? Just pointing to /dev/gpmdata won't work. Maybe a symlink to the "real" /dev/? |
| 19:27.24 | peterS | joseph_: with a PS/2 mouse device, you can severely confuse the mouse by having two apps that think they both control it and which each put it into some particular state and assume it will stay that way. |
| 19:27.37 | c0n | so could you tell me if it will be out in a month, or later ? |
| 19:27.42 | itmediaco | Hello! How could I go about transferring a Debian backup ISO disk image from CD to my hard drive? |
| 19:27.46 | asg | joseph_: you might be better off not using gpm at all (if you can) |
| 19:27.49 | peterS | joseph_: symlinks also don't traverse chroots, so you'll have to do better than that (: |
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| 19:27.52 | thomas_adam | itmediaco: dd |
| 19:27.52 | gothtec | I am running X with fluxbox, and some package that must have come with it keeps blanking out my screen. However, it does not turn off the backlight (it's a laptop), which makes that function almost completely useless. I want to either disable whatever is blanking the screen, or make it turn off the backlight as well. Can anyone help with that? |
| 19:27.54 | redrick | c0n: The aforementioned URL has Scott Kveton's instructions on how to roll your own netinst. You could take his and modify it just enough to install using 2.6. |
| 19:28.03 | joseph_ | ahh. |
| 19:28.12 | c0n | redrick oh, i will try that .. thx .. |
| 19:28.13 | amphi | gothtec: xset I believe |
| 19:28.42 | amphi | gothtec: xset -dpms |
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| 19:28.47 | itmediaco | thomas: thank you |
| 19:28.53 | joseph_ | I should probably do without gpm. |
| 19:29.08 | xsdg | gothtec: if you find out how to get the backlight to turn off, I'd be grateful :o) |
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| 19:29.26 | gothtec | xsdg: I dont think xset can do that.. |
| 19:29.33 | peterS | joseph_: alternatively you might get away with creating a symlink from /dev/gpmdata into something in your chroot, and using 'mkfifo' to create *that*. |
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| 19:30.02 | petemc | asg: enjoy |
| 19:30.02 | Darkraven[wirele | where is the kernel log file located at? |
| 19:30.11 | gothtec | xsdg: however, for my laptop, setting the output to tv or vga ports disable the backlight. Maybe some function that can run custom commands and set that? |
| 19:30.18 | peterS | Darkraven[wirele: /var/log/messages |
| 19:30.36 | Darkraven[wirele | peterS: thanks |
| 19:31.00 | thomas_adam | redrick: Does one need context to go to the pub? Heh, never given us students any reason not to. :) |
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| 19:31.53 | gothtec | amphi: thanks |
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| 19:32.44 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 19:33.10 | Matthew_I | what module do I need to get my serial ports working? |
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| 19:33.28 | sussudio | Matthew_I: |
| 19:33.28 | Matthew_I | with kernel 2.6.0 |
| 19:34.01 | Fransozich | why isn't there a kernel-source-2.6? |
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| 19:34.28 | Matthew_I | Fransozich: kernel.org is where I get mine |
| 19:35.11 | Fransozich | Matthew_I, yes I would go there too, but why isn't it in apt sources? |
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| 19:35.18 | Matthew_I | Fransozich: don't know |
| 19:35.32 | Fransozich | ok :-) |
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| 19:36.07 | gothtec | Is there a program available to turn off a laptop's backlight after a certain time? |
| 19:36.09 | petemc | Fransozich: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ |
| 19:36.40 | Darkraven | is the 2.6 debs only availible in the unstable/sid sources |
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| 19:37.44 | CSMan | hey guys , can't set dma on my old seagate drive |
| 19:37.48 | Fransozich | thanks petemc! |
| 19:37.48 | CSMan | i get this from hdparm DMA modes: *mword0 mword1 mword2 |
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| 19:37.58 | CSMan | probably i have to unmount it first?.... |
| 19:38.08 | CSMan | nah.. didn't work either |
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| 19:39.35 | CSMan | anybody got the same problem? |
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| 19:41.20 | Fransozich | CSman tell me if I'm wrong but DMA depends of the controller not the hdd right? |
| 19:41.49 | CSMan | yeah, so where could i check that? |
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| 19:41.52 | Fransozich | I mean if the hdd can support it the controller with enable it, no? |
| 19:42.10 | Fransozich | Is dma enabled for your others hdd? |
| 19:42.15 | CSMan | nope |
| 19:42.21 | Darkraven | is anyone good with grub? |
| 19:42.26 | CSMan | lemme see... i don't think it's a very oldmachine |
| 19:42.46 | Fransozich | what do you mean by very old? |
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| 19:43.15 | CSMan | Linux prodito3 2.4.16-586tsc - Cpu0: Pentium 99MHz; Mem: 30M; Swap: 154M; /: 938M(f=35M); /home2: 1.9G(f=432M); PCI: ISA,IDE,Ethernet,Communication,VGA; Up: 9:54; Users: 4; Load: 0.12; |
| 19:43.24 | CSMan | that old? =P |
| 19:43.31 | Fransozich | erm ok |
| 19:43.34 | Darkraven | yes it is |
| 19:43.36 | Fransozich | ;- |
| 19:43.37 | Fransozich | ) |
| 19:43.40 | CSMan | =D |
| 19:43.58 | Fransozich | did dma exist in 1960? ;-) |
| 19:44.04 | CSMan | lol |
| 19:44.05 | Darkraven | hehehehehe |
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| 19:44.09 | CSMan | XD |
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| 19:44.44 | Fransozich | anyway, on my computer which is quiet recent I had to compile a kernel to enable dma support... |
| 19:44.52 | Fransozich | that may be a hint.. |
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| 19:45.33 | Fransozich | I don't know if a default debian kernel supports all type of ide controller.. |
| 19:45.42 | Fransozich | maybe someone knows it.. |
| 19:46.04 | mz | how can I make the apache php4 module load seperate php.ini's for each apache server I start? |
| 19:46.15 | rahul | Fransozich: DMA is a concept... |
| 19:46.24 | karsten | Can anyone comment intelligently on comparative benefits of pyzor vs. razor? |
| 19:46.28 | rahul | it's probably been around since the 50s |
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| 19:46.44 | CSMan | karsten: sounds like an assignment question =P |
| 19:46.47 | rahul | it's basically a style of doing IO |
| 19:47.15 | Fransozich | cool rahul but if it's a concept it's totally independant of the hardware right? so why did I have to recompile a kernel to enable the support of my via controller? |
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| 19:48.00 | quant | J_P_out: i still can't get it working... |
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| 19:48.12 | karsten | CSMan: I'm looking to add razor reporting to my SA capabilities. Found there's a pyzor package as well, not familiar with it. |
| 19:48.39 | rahul | Fransozich: um, the concept is IMPLEMENTED by hardware |
| 19:48.50 | rahul | the OS has to know HOW and WHERE to do the DMA |
| 19:48.59 | Fransozich | ok great |
| 19:49.10 | rahul | with IDE, it's badly implemented, so it's practically impossible to use it generically |
| 19:49.12 | Fransozich | but it doesn't answer CSMan question... |
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| 19:49.52 | rahul | CSMan: does your IDE controller support DMA in the first place? |
| 19:50.03 | rahul | does the hard drive? |
| 19:50.06 | alem | why does apache refuse connections made through a proxy ? |
| 19:50.18 | rahul | is there a specialized drover for it in the kernel? |
| 19:50.38 | karsten | alem: Scruples? |
| 19:50.46 | karsten | alem: What's your apache log say? |
| 19:50.50 | alem | karsten: ? |
| 19:50.56 | rahul | alem: apache doesn't |
| 19:51.00 | rahul | your configuration might |
| 19:51.05 | gunebakan | is there any debian package for mldokney on stable release? |
| 19:51.14 | rahul | or it might reject YOUR proxy for some other reason |
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| 19:51.20 | gunebakan | do anybody use? |
| 19:51.47 | redrick | gunebakan: I don't use. I tested clean! |
| 19:51.55 | alem | apache log doesnt say anything |
| 19:51.57 | karsten | !tell about search |
| 19:52.11 | karsten | !tell gunebakan about search |
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| 19:53.22 | alem | karsten: the apache log just showed that it initiated the GET command |
| 19:53.34 | alem | karsten: no errors are logged |
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| 19:55.32 | karsten | alem: What's your client say? |
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| 19:56.03 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 19:56.36 | alem | karsten: connection refused |
| 19:56.44 | karsten | alem: And the proxy? |
| 19:56.51 | alem | karsten: ? |
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| 19:57.04 | alem | karsten: i configured my browser to go thru a proxy |
| 19:57.18 | karsten | alem: Presumably if you're getting proxy connections refused, you're running a proxy. It has logs as well, or should. |
| 19:57.19 | alem | karsten: my browser tells me connection was refused |
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| 19:57.31 | ribnitz | alem whats your prob? |
| 19:57.40 | alem | i dont have a proxy running !! |
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| 19:57.47 | karsten | alem: Try running w3m as a browser and hitting '=' to get full headers, which may indicate issues. |
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| 19:57.53 | karsten | alem: Where the heck's the proxy then? |
| 19:57.54 | grzesiek_ | how to make exim run standalone? |
| 19:57.54 | Darkraven | anyone know where I put the menu file for grub? |
| 19:58.14 | CereS | hello, i've upgraded to debian testing and now gnome2.4 freezes from time to time - using windowmanager sawfish, anyone an idea? |
| 19:58.31 | Kraig | sawfish sucks |
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| 19:58.33 | alem | i found a proxy at www.findproxy.com |
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| 19:58.51 | redrick | Wrong window. |
| 19:58.56 | star_crawl | Hello |
| 19:59.03 | ribnitz | hello |
| 19:59.06 | CereS | kraig: which one would you suggest? |
| 19:59.14 | Darkraven | redrick: shirley you jest |
| 19:59.25 | karsten | alem: Why are you using some random proxy? |
| 19:59.32 | star_crawl | Does anyone have the boot screen patch on 2.6.0? |
| 19:59.34 | SYNeR- | Hey all. I just did a dist-upgrade from woody->sarge , although apt-get said it failed to download about 15+ packages (4mb) because it couldn't find them on the mirror.. any ideas why it would do this? |
| 19:59.43 | zu22 | karsten: rofl |
| 19:59.47 | ribnitz | Wold it be a wise thing to use public ip addys on a network behind a firewall? |
| 19:59.48 | alem | karsten: to protect my privacy on the net |
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| 19:59.58 | ribnitz | alem: dream on |
| 20:00.00 | Kraig | SyNer: apt-get update |
| 20:00.06 | karsten | alem: Suggest that to diagnose the problem you attempt accessing various sites and noting which work and which don't. |
| 20:00.07 | SYNeR- | Kraig: did that.. |
| 20:00.16 | SYNeR- | still doesn't work |
| 20:00.19 | karsten | alem: You're providing nowhere near enough information to diagnose your issue. |
| 20:00.26 | alem | everything works |
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| 20:00.32 | Kraig | SyNer: try again with apt-get --fixm |
| 20:00.34 | alem | ok tell me what do you need to know ? |
| 20:00.35 | Kraig | SyNer: try again with apt-get --fix-missing |
| 20:00.39 | zu22 | darkraven: i don't jest and stop calling me shirley! haha |
| 20:00.42 | SYNeR- | ok |
| 20:00.49 | Kraig | alem: what is your problem? |
| 20:00.55 | Darkraven | zu22: hehehe |
| 20:01.15 | ribnitz | alem: why dont you run squid on your home machine, it also has anonoymizing functions |
| 20:01.26 | star_crawl | whenever it comes up, the progress bar doesn't go across, I have edited my /etc/init.d/rc and /etc/init.d/rcS file, rebooted and it says /usr/local/bin/progress: command not found |
| 20:01.30 | tarzeau | apt hungry |
| 20:01.35 | | from memory, hungry is http://www.thehungersite.com/ or http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite or http://www.hungryminds.com/ |
| 20:01.36 | karsten | alem: Somewhere you've got a connection problem. You need to determine where it is, and you need more data for it. |
| 20:01.46 | ribnitz | tarzeau: apt-get install kebab? ;) |
| 20:01.50 | alem | Kraig: my apache refuses connections from a proxy |
| 20:01.50 | karsten | ribnitz: Anonymizing your own IP address from your own IP address is of somewhat limited utility. |
| 20:02.02 | SYNeR- | Kraig: apt-get --fix-missing just shows apt-get syntax |
| 20:02.18 | karsten | alem: is your apache server externally visible? |
| 20:02.30 | karsten | alem: ...and another option is to bypass the proxy for your own webserver. |
| 20:02.33 | ribnitz | karsten: I am not concerned that much about my ip. |
| 20:02.42 | joseph_ | SYNeR-, apt-get --fix-missing install |
| 20:02.43 | alem | karsten: what do you mean ? |
| 20:02.43 | karsten | ribnitz: Some people are. |
| 20:02.58 | gahan | after i've upgraded irssi and screen in sid every time i lose net at home pc, my irssi gets disconnected from irc (irssi is running on screen at other box, not homepc). before these upgrades (irssi & screen) i didnt get disconnectd.. whats the cause ?? |
| 20:03.00 | karsten | alem: I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Check your browser proxy config. |
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| 20:03.39 | Kraig | SyNer- did you put install?????????/ |
| 20:04.00 | The_Vulture | gahan: what would loosing your 'net connection on some random box that isn't where screen or irssi are running have to do with screen or irssi? |
| 20:04.07 | alem | karsten: its obviously a problem in apache |
| 20:04.41 | gahan | The_Vulture: you are cool |
| 20:04.45 | ribnitz | I wonder, would it be of utility to have a network setup of (2 clients with pulbic ips)- firewall int with public ip - (192.168.0.x) -192.168.0.y - adsl router - (external public ip)? |
| 20:04.49 | SYNeR- | yep |
| 20:04.53 | Darkraven | gahan: your prolly losing internet connectivity altogether |
| 20:04.54 | nrms | anyone shed any light on why a linux box is hanging when it gets to the message "loading the saved-state of the serial devices" |
| 20:04.58 | SYNeR- | 0 packages upgrade, 0 installed, etc.. |
| 20:05.00 | gahan | Darkraven: no no no |
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| 20:05.42 | SYNeR- | i tried apt-get --fix-missing dist-upgrade .. but still same problem (server said 'file not found: /debian/etc..') |
| 20:05.53 | Kraig | SYNer0 you said you did a dist-upgrade, i suposse you changed the sources.list file |
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| 20:06.37 | SYNeR- | i just changed it to testing |
| 20:06.41 | SYNeR- | (instead of stable) |
| 20:06.46 | ribnitz | or otherwise put, I get one (public) ip from my provider, but have a /29 net, how can I make the other ips visible from the outside, ie. circumvent the nat? |
| 20:06.55 | Kraig | SYNeR: you mean unstable |
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| 20:07.06 | SYNeR- | nop.. testing/sarge |
| 20:07.20 | ticallion2 | ribnitz, add aliases |
| 20:07.43 | ticallion2 | ribnitz, and do 1:1 nat |
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| 20:08.15 | ticallion2 | ribnitz, u could do transparent arp proxying but the first method is more secure |
| 20:08.23 | ribnitz | ticallion2: looksl ike my crappy setup does not support that. |
| 20:08.23 | Solitarius | ribnitz: some cable-modem ISP actually do that with their network. <user's-IP>-<some 10.x.x.x>-<network> |
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| 20:09.09 | ticallion2 | ribnitz, it probably uses dhcp, make the aliases addressed via dhcp, don't set them manually |
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| 20:09.40 | ribnitz | Solitarius: my prob is: If the adsl-thing external is (some public ip) the internal one cannot be that either, but usually is something like 192.168.0.x |
| 20:09.43 | Kraig | SYNeR-: i've never worked with testing, i don't know what it may be |
| 20:09.57 | The_Vulture | ribnitz: no, if you only have one public IP address you can't magically get more |
| 20:10.18 | SYNeR- | hmm damn ; |
| 20:10.20 | SYNeR- | :\ |
| 20:10.24 | The_Vulture | what do you want exactly? |
| 20:10.38 | Kraig | SYNeR: ask some one else, maybe tarzeau know about it |
| 20:10.39 | Solitarius | ribnitz, so? it's an IP so it have connectivity within your network.. |
| 20:10.41 | Darkraven | SYNeR-: what sources are in your sources? |
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| 20:10.51 | Zap-W | sad |
| 20:10.58 | Calessistyo | Hello. I have problemes when recording audio with aRts,.. can someone help me or say me some forums etc. where I can ask for help? |
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| 20:11.43 | Kraig | ribnitz: or ask for another public ip with interNIC |
| 20:11.45 | ribnitz | The_Vulture: I have a whole /29 (6 addresses) at my disposal, my problem is this: my provider assigns one (the first one) to my adsl-router, and that being what it is is too dumb to do 1:1 nat (ie. static mapping of internal to external addies) |
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| 20:12.23 | The_Vulture | ribnitz: ah, rightio |
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| 20:13.22 | petemc | ribnitz: i wrote a how to on setting up a /29, its on belfastlinux.org |
| 20:13.23 | ribnitz | The_Vulture: so myp roblem is entirely: how do I tell my crappy adsl-thing that behind that (one public) ip, there are 4 more, and that it act as a gateway/hop to them. next problem is how to let the network know that route |
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| 20:14.20 | The_Vulture | can't help you there sorry, seems to be more of an issue with the adsl thing than debian |
| 20:14.34 | petemc | ribnitz: your external interface should get the ip from your isp automaticaly, you set up the internal interface of the router as your first static address, you then use that address as the gateway for all the other boxes - you only really get 5 usable addresses that way |
| 20:14.38 | mattf | are there any debianisms i should know about before doing an apt-get install apache? |
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| 20:15.14 | SYNeR- | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 20:15.22 | petemc | ribnitz: you do have to have your router configured to do pass thru, you need to disbale nat |
| 20:15.25 | Kraig | mattf: maybe just apt-get update |
| 20:15.26 | Solitarius | ribnitz: Does the provider except all the 6 address to be on the same subnet (he user x.x.x.1/29)? If yes, only trick I know is proxy-arp. |
| 20:15.37 | petemc | Solitarius: no need for that |
| 20:15.39 | SYNeR- | deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 20:15.51 | mattf | yea..i menat like weird file locations or something. guess not |
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| 20:15.57 | machoney | I need to block all P2P programs on my Network. I have Firewall and proxy server but P2P programs can use my proxy to share files. How can I block this? Any solutions? |
| 20:16.14 | SYNeR- | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free |
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| 20:16.17 | Solitarius | petemc: is the ISP bind directly the /29, he will issue ARP request to find the final hop, no? |
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| 20:16.22 | Kraig | machoney: port 6667, and other one |
| 20:16.22 | SYNeR- | that's all my sources.list |
| 20:16.22 | Caelum | machoney: stateful inspection |
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| 20:16.35 | petemc | machoney: i use ftwall to block kazaa, look at ip2p extensions for iptables for blocking other things |
| 20:16.56 | ribnitz | Solitarius,petemc : 212.101.26.217-222, net is 216, broadcast is 223 |
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| 20:17.01 | machoney | petemc : you mean string matching? |
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| 20:17.01 | Darkraven | SYNeR-: I'd get another source in your list then update your list and try to download again |
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| 20:17.25 | Solitarius | ribnitz: is ISP 212.101.26.218 ? |
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| 20:17.47 | Crazy | hi |
| 20:17.48 | Solitarius | ribnitz: err.. is ISP 212.101.26.217 ? |
| 20:17.56 | petemc | machoney: ftwall can use string matching to speed things up, it doesnt have to tho, you just set your output rules to queue and ftwall inspects them, as i say, ip2p is a more complete solution |
| 20:18.18 | ribnitz | Solitarius: 217 is bound to the router externally yep |
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| 20:18.20 | machoney | cool |
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| 20:18.37 | petemc | Solitarius: you just set the first routable address of the /29 as the gateway for the rest, bingo bango bongo |
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| 20:18.54 | machoney | I will try use ftwall. Thnx. Do you have good manual links for ftwall |
| 20:19.03 | Crazy | all adresses for network install are dead on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:19.03 | petemc | machoney: google does |
| 20:19.08 | Recon1 | I want to install this: http://www.apt-get.org/text/?site=214 Whats the command for doing so? |
| 20:19.11 | Crazy | could you provide me one please? |
| 20:19.13 | ribnitz | petemc: Didnt find your doc, do you have an url? |
| 20:19.15 | Solitarius | petemc: Yeah, but I doutb the ISP is setup that way... |
| 20:19.16 | petemc | machoney: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~filipe/ipt_p2p/ |
| 20:19.21 | petemc | ribnitz: 1 sec |
| 20:19.34 | petemc | Solitarius: if they're giving out /29s they'd really need to be |
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| 20:19.37 | machoney | thnx |
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| 20:19.55 | snoke | what is wron when ls dont show scandic chars but complete does ( default nls utf8) ? |
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| 20:20.13 | petemc | ribnitz: http://belfastlinux.org/article/utv |
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| 20:20.20 | Crazy | nobody knows where i can find a minimal cd for a netinstall? |
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| 20:20.35 | Solitarius | petemc: I guess I'll have to read it too :) |
| 20:20.36 | petemc | !tell Crazy about di |
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| 20:20.47 | Crazy | thx |
| 20:20.55 | petemc | Solitarius: its very basic, worked for me tho |
| 20:21.20 | ribnitz | petemc: thanks |
| 20:21.23 | The_Ball | is it a common problem that when mounting a nfs share the mount command uses about two minutes? |
| 20:21.28 | SYNeR- | Darkraven: ah ok.. so even just try another mirror? :\ |
| 20:21.34 | SYNeR- | (instead of current mirror) |
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| 20:21.45 | Hyber | Im haveing trouble connecting to the http://non-us.debian.org/ and http://security.debian.org/ with apt-get im having no problem with anyother apt servers, its only from my IP, the servers i manage on other nets have no problem, I have just installed a new debian, it has the same problem. Could my IP me baned some how?? Plz, help its not good that I cant resive any updates =( |
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| 20:23.03 | SYNeR- | ah |
| 20:23.10 | raptor_ | how do I prevent a package from being installed? |
| 20:23.24 | Darkraven | apt grub |
| 20:23.25 | | ACTION y |
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| 20:23.31 | SYNeR- | one example package that the mirror I'm using couldn't find was pciutils_2.1.11-6_i386.deb... but I see it on ftp://ftp.us.debian.org .. so maybe that'll fix it |
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| 20:24.31 | ribnitz | petemc: if I turn off nat, the adsl thingy still has an ip, no? |
| 20:25.08 | petemc | ribnitz: it should do |
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| 20:25.32 | ribnitz | petemc: and btw, ipcalc shows a /29 as 6 hosts per net, not 5. |
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| 20:26.09 | petemc | ribnitz: yes, but you use the first routable address for your router, unless you're using a linux box as the router the first address is useless |
| 20:26.32 | petemc | ribnitz: i do understand cidr, thanks |
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| 20:26.54 | ribnitz | petemc: sorry, I see now. |
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| 20:31.43 | Darkraven | anyone good with grub in here? |
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| 20:32.02 | boodle | Darkraven, soso |
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| 20:32.10 | caphuso | !tell Darkraven -about ask |
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| 20:32.34 | Darkraven | caphuso: I asked my question 3 time already |
| 20:32.47 | caphuso | Darkraven: that's no excuse for asking stupid meta questions |
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| 20:32.54 | boodle | I'm trying to restrict menu options in gnome.. is there a menu editor for gnome (and what is it :) ? |
| 20:33.00 | Kraig | wow my apt-get said it downloaded at 267kB/s |
| 20:33.02 | Kraig | lol |
| 20:33.22 | pollar | Kraig lucky man :) |
| 20:33.28 | Darkraven | boodle: where is the menu.lst file for grub? |
| 20:33.47 | Kraig | now it says 508 kB/s |
| 20:33.47 | Kraig | jeje |
| 20:34.06 | boodle | Darkraven, mine symlinks to /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 20:34.19 | boodle | Darkraven, the symlink is in /boot/grub |
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| 20:34.43 | Darkraven | that was my next question where the conf file was. hehehe |
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| 20:35.15 | Darkraven | b/c I have neither file in my /boot/grub |
| 20:35.20 | c | STFU! |
| 20:35.25 | c | my nome! |
| 20:35.27 | c | name!@ |
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| 20:35.37 | boodle | Darkraven, apt-get install grub-doc and look in /usr/share/doc/grub-doc for answers |
| 20:36.11 | petemc | c: that shit wasnt funny when you started it the other day, its annoying now |
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| 20:37.17 | boodle | Can anyone help on administering gnome accounts.. specifically restricting what programs are available to be run via menu? (menu-editor?) |
| 20:37.22 | madness | c: if you have such a stupid name, then you should turn nick highlighting OFF. |
| 20:37.43 | Kraig | lol |
| 20:37.52 | t35t0r | hi i have debian 3.0r1 CD #1 but i want to install with reiserfs and not ext3 |
| 20:38.04 | t35t0r | are reiserfs utils available on this CD? |
| 20:38.09 | The_Ball | is it a common problem that when mounting a nfs share the mount command uses about two minutes? c |
| 20:38.21 | t35t0r | The_Bal; no |
| 20:38.25 | madness | t35t0r: I don't believe reiserfs is in woody. c |
| 20:38.34 | Kraig | cool madness |
| 20:38.38 | t35t0r | madness: what do i need to get to install Debian with reiserfs |
| 20:38.46 | Darkraven | t35t0r: what kernel you installing with? |
| 20:38.57 | t35t0r | i want to install 2.6 |
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| 20:39.10 | t35t0r | eventually |
| 20:39.16 | Darkraven | t35t0r: if you install with bf24 you get the option to format with EXT2,3 or ReiserFS |
| 20:39.24 | t35t0r | bf24? |
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| 20:39.38 | t35t0r | the partition type? |
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| 20:39.42 | Darkraven | no |
| 20:39.50 | t35t0r | what is bf24? |
| 20:39.57 | Darkraven | when you boot off the CD to install Debian |
| 20:40.06 | madness | it's the 2.4 boot floppies. |
| 20:40.16 | eltaco | where I can get a netinst por ppc? |
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| 20:40.38 | Darkraven | if you use the command bf24 during the install it will aske you how you want to format you Linux partitions |
| 20:40.52 | t35t0r | k i try now... |
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| 20:41.15 | Kraig | 'so elltaco, pura vida? |
| 20:41.58 | eltaco | Kraig: pura vida. |
| 20:42.09 | eltaco | Anybody? |
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| 20:42.32 | Mave | eltaco: #debianppc |
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| 20:45.06 | t35t0r | bf24 is not detecting my hardware RAID array |
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| 20:45.33 | t35t0r | i have a promise raid controller |
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| 20:46.00 | streuner | t35t0r: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 20:47.05 | snoke | t35t0r: what promise controller |
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| 20:47.42 | t35t0r | snoke: let me reboot and find out and there is no reference to RAID or raid at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install |
| 20:47.59 | t35t0r | actually let me look at the MOBO guide it's a A7V333 |
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| 20:50.23 | The_Ball | is this the correct way to change the uid of a nfs share? /home/dp 192.168.2.*(rw,mp=/home,all_squash,anonuid=1001,anongid=35) |
| 20:50.35 | The_Ball | I can't make them change |
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| 20:51.42 | t35t0r | i have MBFastTrak133 Promise Raid Bios .. i created a array of 2x250g disks raid 0 striping how to detect in DEBIAN CD #1 install and use reiserfs??? |
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| 20:53.04 | snoke | t35t0r: hmm i have fasttrack 100 and bf24 does find the array it should be /dev/ataraid/dX |
| 20:53.45 | t35t0r | it says the array is functional mode 2+0 STRIPING |
| 20:53.47 | streuner | t35t0r: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html#s-kernel-baking |
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| 20:54.27 | streuner | t35t0r: one solution, other would be use d-i backup (it uses 2.4.23, AFAIK), if the kernel supports your card |
| 20:55.10 | streuner | t35t0r: or you make you own kernel, i.e. 2.6.0 kernels supports a bunch of promise stuff yet. |
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| 20:55.47 | SpongeBob | Hi, there is this rather grey area it seems |
| 20:55.57 | SpongeBob | where can I find some good documentation on IPAC (IPAC-NG) ? |
| 20:56.00 | Wybe_Weird | Spongebob Squarepants is tha bomb! |
| 20:56.05 | t35t0r | bleh i'm gonna try fedora/rh9/or gentoo 1.4 |
| 20:56.31 | baz | t35t0r: woody is not for new hardware |
| 20:56.42 | streuner | !d-i backup |
| 20:56.42 | dpkg | i guess backup d-i images is http://freedesktop.org/~daniel/d-i/ (sarge netinst iso backup); they're even signed!, or see /topic #debian-boot |
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| 20:56.46 | SpongeBob | and secondly, I'd like to express my public disgust and hatered for all that is IPTABLES and hope Linux someday his half of what IPFW can do :/ |
| 20:56.52 | t35t0r | too bad... |
| 20:57.01 | SpongeBob | *yawn* |
| 20:57.22 | streuner | t35t0r: have you tried d-i backup yet? |
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| 20:58.44 | SpongeBob | anyone at all... half a clue would be much appreciated.. really. |
| 20:59.12 | petemc | SpongeBob: there are no docs really, whats up |
| 21:00.16 | petemc | SpongeBob: instead of expressing your public disgust why not do something better yourself |
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| 21:00.34 | SpongeBob | petemc: I cant belive I'm the only one who has a problem with it? |
| 21:00.51 | SYNeR- | after changing my mirrors in sources.list, packages seem to be downloading.. I'm using ftp.us.debian.org .. I'm guessing the .au mirrors I was using weren't uptodate |
| 21:00.53 | petemc | SpongeBob: ipac sucks, but it works |
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| 21:01.08 | SYNeR- | only problem atm is w/ the deb-src I think.. can't find Packagez.gz apparently |
| 21:01.19 | SpongeBob | petemc: Well, I have setup my IPAC rules fine afai can tell but fetchipac only reads the total in/out rules and ignores the rest |
| 21:01.42 | SpongeBob | infact its kind of like they just wrote it like AddRule=Random(Rules); |
| 21:02.07 | SpongeBob | it adds the rules to iptables perfectly |
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| 21:02.19 | SpongeBob | but not to the ipac database |
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| 21:02.55 | Amanda23 | Im trying to install Debian 30r1 on my computer - does the installer not support anything but an ext2 filesystem ? I really wanted to format as reiserfs |
| 21:03.11 | petemc | SpongeBob: the ipac database? ipac gets in information from the ip counters |
| 21:03.21 | Justin_ | Amanda23: read the install guide? |
| 21:03.30 | SpongeBob | petemc: hmm, /var/lib/ipac ? |
| 21:04.06 | petemc | SpongeBob: thats where the db is, yes, bear that in mind as it will get corrupt very often and you'll have to delete it |
| 21:04.15 | SpongeBob | hooray |
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| 21:04.29 | Geheimagent | can't get setkey working (from bunk1). Doesn't take my policy. kernel 2.4.22. |
| 21:04.43 | Amanda23 | Justin_: no I haven't - however, the installer didn't give me an option nor could i find a mkresierfs prog when i exited to the console |
| 21:04.44 | Geheimagent | any hints what to do? |
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| 21:05.04 | petemc | my ipac rules look like: $firstname.$secondname in|ipac~i|+|all|0/0|10.0.1$floor.$count |
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| 21:05.45 | caphuso | no, it doesn't |
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| 21:05.49 | caphuso | grr |
| 21:05.54 | SpongeBob | petemc: Well, yes thats how I have it, but it just sort of randomly adds/forgets some |
| 21:06.01 | zugzug | does anyone know a good website that has many examples of firewall? |
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| 21:06.24 | SpongeBob | petemc: Is there another way to do this? I mean, ipac is a piece of shit - honestly.. |
| 21:06.31 | petemc | SpongeBob: netprobe |
| 21:06.39 | SpongeBob | ok |
| 21:06.40 | Amanda23 | zugzug: http://www.knowplace.org/netfilter/syntax.html |
| 21:06.42 | ticallion2 | zugzug, elaborate pls |
| 21:06.47 | SpongeBob | thanks petemc |
| 21:06.51 | petemc | np |
| 21:06.57 | petemc | ipac is a pita |
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| 21:07.15 | zugzug | i mean like pre scripted firewalls like i could just edit a few things but most of the code is already written |
| 21:07.40 | ticallion2 | zugzug, sorry, dunno |
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| 21:08.35 | irvken | etc/network/interfaces - how do you get the system to reread this file after editing it? |
| 21:09.42 | snoke | irvken: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:10.05 | tem | zugzug: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 21:10.18 | tem | zugzug: check the example scripts section |
| 21:10.53 | zugzug | aight thx ill go check it out |
| 21:11.22 | rahul | zugzug: iptables.deb |
| 21:11.22 | bytewalker | should i worry about this? im bout to compile the nvidia module but its giving warnings saying my compiler is different than the one used to compile my kernel |
| 21:11.23 | rahul | erm |
| 21:11.29 | rahul | zugzug: ipmasq.deb |
| 21:11.32 | bytewalker | *** Failed gcc sanity check *** heh |
| 21:11.48 | rahul | bytewalker: so get the same copmiler as was used to compile your kernel |
| 21:11.58 | rahul | bytewalker: or compile both at the same time, using make-kpkg |
| 21:12.15 | bytewalker | meh, im using the 2.4.22 kernel in sid |
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| 21:12.19 | bytewalker | im just gonna risk it |
| 21:12.21 | irvken | thx snoke |
| 21:13.10 | rahul | bytewalker: there's no risk. it just won't work. |
| 21:13.52 | bytewalker | um k how do i know what gcc i'll need? |
| 21:14.48 | petemc | bytewalker: cat /proc/version |
| 21:15.09 | bytewalker | k i need 3.3.2 |
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| 21:15.16 | PDani | hi |
| 21:15.28 | bytewalker | crap, thats not in apt-get apparently |
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| 21:16.00 | PDani | how can i start a program from shell in the background? if i put a & after the program's name, it doesn't run, just sleeping or something |
| 21:16.27 | Justin_ | PDani: what program is that? |
| 21:16.35 | PDani | Justin_: setiathome |
| 21:16.43 | Amanda23 | it appears from reading the installation manual (parts relavent to disk partitions and filesystems) that ext2 is all the debian installer supports - is this true ? |
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| 21:17.13 | Justin_ | Amanda23: no, actually read it |
| 21:17.15 | petemc | Amanda23: nope, ext3 and reiser, there are lots of other installers that suuport more, /msg dpkg di |
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| 21:18.23 | Justin_ | as if it is hard to do "search" and type in "reiser" |
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| 21:22.27 | trovador | hi, i'm trying to burn a cue/bin file with cdrecord that has 10 tracks, and always on the last track i get a "unkwown length" message recommending i do: "cdrecord.mmap: Use tsize= option in SAO mode to specify track size.", but i don't know how to get the track size, anyone? |
| 21:22.49 | Justin_ | trovador: use cdrdao? |
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| 21:23.45 | trovador | Justin_: cdrdao doesn't do cue/bin files.. |
| 21:23.51 | trovador | does it? |
| 21:24.08 | songpenguin | can someone tell me where to go to learn how to make a filesystem driver? I need to make a fs driver for my camera |
| 21:24.10 | tam | ~nvidia debs |
| 21:24.12 | | well, nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 21:24.18 | ee99ee | I'm going to build a debian box that's VPN server which will be deployed at around 100 sites (on 100+ diff boxen). Is there a way to I can make an image of a box here, and dd the image to the hard drive in the boxen that will be deployed and the first time it boots it auto detects the hardware and [tries to] load the right modules for the devices? |
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| 21:25.36 | Justin_ | heh, that link won't work now, I think pump went and shit itself |
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| 21:26.09 | redrick | ee99ee: Some tools to do that sort of thing included in my page, "Installers" linked from http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian |
| 21:26.21 | Desdicado | hello |
| 21:26.21 | ee99ee | redrick: thanks... on my way |
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| 21:26.32 | tix64 | trovador: you didn't read the cdrdao man page, did you? |
| 21:26.42 | redrick | ee99ee: Look in the category for "Non-Interactive Installers". |
| 21:26.46 | Desdicado | how i make my linux share internet connection via network cards? |
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| 21:27.15 | pneuma | can someone help me get passwordless ssh authentication working. i ran ssh-keygen -t dsa and exported the public key to the host. when i ssh to the host i see " Authentications that can continue: publickey..." and then "we did not send a packet, disable method" nothing in ssh_config nor sshd_config looks like it shoud be preventing public key auth |
| 21:27.29 | tjk | Desdicado: google for something like: linux NAT iptables |
| 21:27.30 | ee99ee | redrick: if I wanted to build an image that would set it's self up when booted for the first time, would I use dd to get it onto the new drive or something like that? I mean I'll be doing them all I'm sure, just trying to save time |
| 21:27.34 | Justin_ | pneuma: run ssh -d on the server |
| 21:27.44 | versuchsanstalt | is /woody a symlink to /stable on the repository server? |
| 21:27.55 | VpB | hi everybody |
| 21:28.10 | trovador | tix64: not thoroughly.. i tried it now and i get "ERROR: Length of bin file "demovcd-ntsc.bin" does not match cue file." |
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| 21:28.20 | redrick | ee99ee: I haven't really used those sorts of tools much (other than SystemImager), so I'm mostly just supplying possible toolsets for you. |
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| 21:28.21 | tjk | versuchsanstalt: more than likely the opposite |
| 21:28.23 | pneuma | Justin_: ssh is installed on the server. i can ssh to it but it prompts for password |
| 21:28.33 | ee99ee | redrick: ahh, well thanks :-) |
| 21:28.44 | Justin_ | pneuma: run ssh -d on the server |
| 21:28.51 | Desdicado | tjk im new with this |
| 21:28.55 | thomas_adam | yawn |
| 21:28.58 | versuchsanstalt | tjk: i see. but these aliases are to be made on the server, using symlinks, right? |
| 21:29.04 | Desdicado | need moreinfo on how to do it fast |
| 21:29.05 | thomas_adam | versuchsanstalt: ? |
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| 21:29.28 | pneuma | Justin_: okay it just gives some help output |
| 21:29.32 | tjk | versuchsanstalt: yeah, if I understand you correctly |
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| 21:29.40 | rsff | that is a really long handle to type... versuchsanstalt.... |
| 21:29.48 | tix64 | trovador: which also explains your previous cdrecord error. the .cue file doesn't match the .bin file. which probably means your .bin file is corrupted. |
| 21:29.50 | Justin_ | pneuma: er, sshd -d |
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| 21:29.54 | rsff | thanks got for [TAB] ... :-) abd auto completion. |
| 21:30.03 | tjk | rsff: I just do ver<TAB>. get a real irc client :-P |
| 21:30.05 | bytewalker | the nvidia debs on those sites are for the 2.4.18 kernel, anyone know if anyone has built some for 2.4.22? |
| 21:30.18 | tjk | rsff: i spoke too soon. :) |
| 21:30.19 | thomas_adam | 4.2.23 |
| 21:30.21 | rsff | :-) |
| 21:30.25 | rsff | :-p |
| 21:30.27 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: why do you need this info? |
| 21:30.28 | trovador | tix64: ok.. good to know.. thx =) |
| 21:30.33 | pneuma | Justin_: okay. i'm running it as user. it says no hostkeys available |
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| 21:30.45 | Justin_ | pneuma: don't run it as a user |
| 21:31.02 | bytewalker | err, 2.4.18 = 2.4.21, need 2.4.22 |
| 21:31.05 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: i think there is a link missing on apt.agnula.org - woody doesnt work while stable does, that's why. so i think there is a symlink missing. |
| 21:31.12 | Justin_ | bytewalker: http://169.226.250.136/~justin/nvidia_install.txt |
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| 21:31.29 | pneuma | Justin_: okay its running as root. still prompts for password at login |
| 21:31.38 | Justin_ | pneuma: of course it does |
| 21:31.44 | VpB | why i can't put any icon on Gnome desktop..even i can't do right click?!?!? |
| 21:31.47 | Justin_ | pneuma: you're supposed to read what it says |
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| 21:31.50 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: but i didn't know if i understand the concept right... |
| 21:31.57 | Justin_ | 1tell VpB about ep |
| 21:32.15 | pneuma | Justin_: isn't /etc/init.d/ssh start the same as running sshd -d ?? |
| 21:32.25 | VpB | Justin_ do u know why? |
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| 21:32.31 | VpB | i can't create any folder |
| 21:32.37 | Justin_ | pneuma: man sshd |
| 21:32.41 | Justin_ | VpB: run nautilus |
| 21:32.43 | tjk | VpB: install nautilus |
| 21:32.53 | pneuma | Justin_: thanks but your "help" is useless |
| 21:33.08 | Justin_ | pneuma: try not being lazy |
| 21:33.23 | pneuma | Justin_: ssh is installed and running on the host (obviously) |
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| 21:33.36 | Justin_ | pneuma: forget it, keep talking to yourself |
| 21:33.37 | bytewalker | Justin_ if this works can i worship u? |
| 21:33.56 | VpB | Justin , tjk thx :) |
| 21:34.03 | rsff | Guys, do you have any ideas how to change the menus on X-Chat, so that when I click "open in Browser" it calls up ephiphany and not mozilla? |
| 21:34.12 | rsff | I can't seem to find it in Preferences. |
| 21:34.13 | pneuma | Justin_: would that entail having read the contents of /usr/share/doc/ssh and a half-dozen pages? how exactly do you define lazy? |
| 21:34.14 | Justin_ | rsff: it's in the menus |
| 21:34.31 | redrick | Best part of Skoll's article is the "Challenge" section & links at the bottom. |
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| 21:34.38 | rsff | Justin_: it isn't. I'm pritty sure.... |
| 21:34.40 | redrick | Er, wrong window, sorry. |
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| 21:34.51 | Justin_ | rsff: except that it is |
| 21:35.05 | rsff | Justin_: you mean, the menu where you click with the right button right? |
| 21:35.07 | pneuma | Justin_: or is it that perhaps you are lazy in failing to understand my question or caring to give more than the most flippant, arrogant response? |
| 21:35.09 | bytewalker | Justin_: ok i ran that script, one thing though, im not using the 'nv' driver right now, im using vesa |
| 21:35.13 | rsff | What version of X-Chat are you using? |
| 21:35.21 | The__Ball | why is this box using swap mem when only 10% of the memory is in use? ---> http://www.wigen.net/ss2/grapher.php?host=localhost&type=group&id=1 |
| 21:35.27 | Justin_ | bytewalker: so change it yourself |
| 21:35.33 | Justin_ | rsff: no, the one at the top |
| 21:35.35 | bytewalker | Justin_ to what hehee? *noob* |
| 21:35.38 | Justin_ | pneuma: if you say so |
| 21:35.50 | bytewalker | can i just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 21:35.54 | Justin_ | bytewalker: yes |
| 21:36.05 | streuner | pneuma: stfu |
| 21:36.32 | pneuma | can someone help me get passwordless ssh authentication working. i ran ssh-keygen -t dsa and exported the public key to the host. when i ssh to the host i see " Authentications that can continue: publickey..." and then "we did not send a packet, disable method" nothing in ssh_config nor sshd_config looks like it shoud be preventing public key auth |
| 21:36.34 | tjk | The__Ball: linux uses swap to cache things. If you're not seeing any swap-thrashing its Just Fine. |
| 21:36.37 | rsff | Justin. I have Open in Browser, followed by Mozilla, Konqueror, Galeon, Galeon snapshot, Opera and Send URL To... |
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| 21:37.08 | bytewalker | Justin_ ok, so i remove the load glcore and load dri from the modules set? |
| 21:37.22 | Justin_ | rsff: no, the one at the top |
| 21:37.23 | The__Ball | tjk, aha i c |
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| 21:37.32 | Justin_ | rsff: if you atually looked you would find it in 2 seconds |
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| 21:38.33 | bytewalker | brb pray for me pplz |
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| 21:39.20 | rsff | Justin_: I found the editor. but not epiphany. I must be really really blind. But thanks for the help. I need new glasses. |
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| 21:39.35 | Justin_ | rsff: so ADD it |
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| 21:39.53 | _mechanix | Hi people |
| 21:39.58 | LoneTech | another boulderdash clone? |
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| 21:40.03 | pneuma | i see what the problem is. i was copying the public key to a directory ~/.ssh/authorized_keys which should be a file |
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| 21:40.10 | tjk | hmmm, speaking of xchat... I just looked at some of the windows under the uhh.. Windows menu. and I can't get rid of them |
| 21:40.14 | LoneTech | I seemed to remember something else with that name, but I'm not sure. |
| 21:40.18 | konrad_ | OK, this may not be the best place to ask, but does anyone knows the amperage of a 9V squarelike battery;2~ |
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| 21:40.35 | konrad_ | OK, this may not be the best place to ask, but does anyone knows the amperage of a 9V squarelike battery? |
| 21:40.38 | tjk | they're always-on-top, no close button, and no way to get rid of them I can see |
| 21:40.41 | tjk | how annoying |
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| 21:40.55 | bytewalker | Justin_ OMG i think it worked how do i know? |
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| 21:40.58 | LoneTech | tjk: well, the violent way might be xkill. |
| 21:41.08 | tjk | that'd just kill xchat |
| 21:41.29 | tjk | which i can do normally... just its damn windows |
| 21:41.31 | LoneTech | oh, it's xchat. I have that on another machine. |
| 21:41.36 | tjk | i think I'm going to have to learn to file ubg reports |
| 21:41.45 | bytewalker | wait wtf, i ran dpkg-reconfigure but its still using the vesa driver.. brb again:P |
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| 21:43.53 | Justin_ | LoneTech: it does something like that now |
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| 21:44.01 | xel | Hi Justin_ |
| 21:44.30 | linlam | somebody can help me. Recently I have installed new glib 2.2.3. I tried to install new pango-1.0.5, but I couldn't. There was error - "pkg-config (...) returned 2.2.3, but glib (2.0.1) was found... It's written, I also have to modify my LD_LIBRARY_PATH (but how?). Sorry, I'm common linux's lamer. |
| 21:44.39 | LoneTech | just thought it might be what surprised bytewalker, possibly. |
| 21:44.52 | Justin_ | linlam: why are you compiling things |
| 21:45.09 | bytewalker | what the hell, i select the nvidia module in dpkg-reconfigure and go through all that, but it writes 'vesa' as the module in xf86config-4 |
| 21:45.24 | linlam | I have to install new GTK+ |
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| 21:45.44 | t35t0r | http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/2002-June/001501.html makes me sick << this why it not working |
| 21:45.49 | LoneTech | bytewalker: you mean nv, right? try moving your old XF86Config-4 out of the way before doing the reconfigure. |
| 21:46.08 | bytewalker | LoneTech theres both nv and nvidia, i selectd nvidia |
| 21:46.14 | Kraig | bytewalker: and why don't you manually enter the file and change it |
| 21:46.18 | linlam | and I have to have new librarys |
| 21:46.18 | bytewalker | i changed it manually to nvidia though it seems to be working now |
| 21:46.19 | bytewalker | Hehe |
| 21:46.22 | bytewalker | its just weird that it did that |
| 21:46.31 | bytewalker | ok whatsa good thing to test my new elite video card with? |
| 21:46.40 | LoneTech | bytewalker: nvidia is the binary-only driver from nvidia. unless you've installed that somehow it's not going to be around. |
| 21:46.55 | dippo | mm t35t0r |
| 21:46.59 | X-Treme | should there be any problems reading dvd-rw discs with files on them in a regular dvd-rom or do I need a dvd-writer to read them ? |
| 21:47.00 | dippo | which fasttrack card is that? |
| 21:47.03 | dippo | i almost bought one of those |
| 21:47.16 | bytewalker | LoneTech: i ran Justin_'s nvidia install script so i have it |
| 21:47.26 | rsff | linlam: Don't worry, everybody starts somewhere. Sometimes the lib is installed, but the distro doesn't put it in the right place, so doesn't find it. You might have to either make some symlinks.... Either that or add new dirs to pkg-config's path. But I really can't guide you throught any of this, because I don't understand how it works anyhow. |
| 21:47.31 | bytewalker | ok im gonna see if egoboo will run, PRAY FOR ME |
| 21:47.33 | LoneTech | x-treme: dvd formats are a problem, even worse than cd formats. the dvd-r and dvd-rw formats have more differences than dvd+rw so it may be quite unpredictable. |
| 21:47.43 | X-Treme | crap.. |
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| 21:48.31 | bytewalker | whasts that command xinfo or osmething that shows you if dri is working? |
| 21:48.33 | Justin_ | t35t0r: uh, thats from a year and a half ago |
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| 21:48.49 | LoneTech | bytewalker: glxinfo will tell you if it's active, not if it works. |
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| 21:49.17 | LoneTech | x-treme: try looking for a firmware update for your drive. |
| 21:49.21 | bytewalker | HOLY CRAP ITS WORKING |
| 21:49.28 | t35t0r | PDC20276 promise raid chip |
| 21:49.42 | Kraig | LoneTech: do you need dri if you're working with nvidia? |
| 21:49.46 | dippo | oh |
| 21:49.47 | X-Treme | ok, checking |
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| 21:50.16 | Justin_ | t35t0r: thats not a raid chip |
| 21:50.26 | t35t0r | IT;s a fake raid 'eh!! |
| 21:50.29 | t35t0r | !@#!#%!$ |
| 21:50.35 | LoneTech | kraig: nvidia uses its own variant, same basic principles as dri. |
| 21:50.38 | Justin_ | yes, and do you have an actual problem with it? |
| 21:50.46 | Kraig | ok, thx |
| 21:50.59 | Justin_ | i have a fasttrack something or other and I just used the jumper on the motherboard to disable the "raid" |
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| 21:51.25 | t35t0r | Justin_: well ok.. so it's not an actual raid controller but how does RH9 detect my drives and other distro installs don't... ?? |
| 21:51.30 | LoneTech | that "raid" is bios or driver based. linux software raid does have some code to understand the same format, but I haven't tested it. |
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| 21:51.32 | bytewalker | finally i will be able to play tuxracer |
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| 21:52.03 | Justin_ | t35t0r: because it uses the "raid" driver that tries to be compatible with it |
| 21:52.05 | LoneTech | t35t0r: you need the correct driver, as the chip doesn't identify itself as ATA. |
| 21:52.06 | ehn | hi! is anyone using an ipod (or another sbp2 device) on linux with devfs? |
| 21:52.23 | petemc | does anyone know if its possible to tell the nautilus cd burning plug in to use an alternate location to create the iso? |
| 21:52.31 | LoneTech | ehn: I've used a 1394 cd burner, I suppose that counts? |
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| 21:52.43 | ehn | LoneTech: with devfs? |
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| 21:52.51 | t35t0r | lonetech/Justin: what about these drivers from promise.com how do install with those?? |
| 21:53.00 | Justin_ | t35t0r: don't use those |
| 21:53.03 | LoneTech | yes, I believe I did have devfs active at the time. |
| 21:53.14 | ehn | i see in /var/log/messages that the device is detected by hotplug et al but nothing appears in /dev/scsi. |
| 21:53.24 | LoneTech | ran a 2.6test kernel though. 1394 is rather new. |
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| 21:53.30 | tem | t35t0r: MBFastTrack133 works fine w/2.4 ataraid+pdcraid in Gentoo/SuSE/Debian/RH .....I have it in my Gigabyte mobo..... |
| 21:53.38 | ehn | LoneTech: ok, i'm on 2.4.22 still. |
| 21:53.44 | Justin_ | t35t0r: do you have anything on the drives that you need? |
| 21:53.53 | t35t0r | Justin_: no they are blank |
| 21:53.55 | asg | petemc: I did :) |
| 21:53.59 | Justin_ | t35t0r: then disable the "raid" |
| 21:54.00 | LoneTech | had to load the sbp2 driver manually, then it "logged in". despite the hotplug system working. |
| 21:54.20 | petemc | asg: care to elaborate :) |
| 21:54.20 | t35t0r | Justin_: if i disable the raid the mobo will just simply detect the two drives?? |
| 21:54.38 | asg | petemc: discussions regarding Drupal, BF1942, etc. |
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| 21:54.49 | petemc | asg: ahh, the pub, good stuff :) |
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| 21:55.02 | me2 | Hello all... anyone know where i can get the official testing net install image? the link on debian.org is broken. |
| 21:55.06 | petemc | asg: thought you were talking about the nautils cd burning plug in :) |
| 21:55.06 | asg | petemc: yes, and $2 pints today, which was a nice surprise |
| 21:55.07 | ehn | LoneTech: hotplug loads sbp2 for me, but i don't have a device to mount. |
| 21:55.12 | asg | petemc: hehe |
| 21:55.15 | LoneTech | t35t0r: well, the bios will. linux won't until you have a driver that recognizes the chip. |
| 21:55.15 | konrad_ | *RANDOM MESSAGE* |
| 21:55.17 | petemc | asg: sweet |
| 21:55.33 | Justin_ | t35t0r: uh huh |
| 21:55.35 | streuner | me2: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 21:55.59 | LoneTech | um, I thought there were no "official" net install images at all, particularly non-stable.. |
| 21:56.02 | ehn | LoneTech: i have ieee1394, ohci1394, sbp2, scsi_mod and sd_mod modules loaded. would i need anything else? |
| 21:56.05 | t35t0r | Lonetch/Justin_: are we talking about the AWARD bios?? |
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| 21:56.22 | LoneTech | ehn: I don't think so. in my case it was sg and sr, though. |
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| 21:56.34 | LoneTech | t35t0r: nope, the promise bios. |
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| 21:56.54 | LoneTech | that nick is annoying to type |
| 21:57.00 | t35t0r | tem: i tried gentoo 1.4 with gentoo doataraid and it couldn't detect any drives |
| 21:57.01 | me2 | err, official testing images then. |
| 21:57.26 | Justin_ | t35t0r: theres no reason to use the thing as a "raid" controller, just disable the "raid" |
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| 21:57.46 | tem | t35t0r: if you using a 2.4 kernel just make sure you load ataraid & pdcraid and your array will show up as /dev/ataraid/d0 |
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| 21:58.06 | stupidguy | tem: that is after disabling "raid" correct?? |
| 21:58.26 | tem | stupidguy: no that is with raid enabled.... |
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| 21:58.54 | LoneTech | time to log off. I miss the DSL. |
| 21:59.00 | guest | can someone send me there "/etc/group" file? my own one got removed :( i am so stupid |
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| 21:59.06 | tem | stupidguy: i run mirrored 40GB drives with a promise MBFastTrack133 controller in a Gigabyte mobo |
| 21:59.10 | stupidguy | tem: with raid enabled it said couldn't find any arrays in gentoo |
| 21:59.34 | guest | is there a group called "irc" and "list" and "operator" and stuff like that? |
| 21:59.46 | tem | stupidguy: do you have both modules loaded?? ataraid + pdcraid ?? |
| 21:59.52 | guest | a group called "www-data" ? that sounds wierd |
| 22:00.07 | thomas_adam | guest: no it doesn't |
| 22:00.11 | asg | guest: that's for apache |
| 22:00.28 | guest | i need a /etc/group file so i can see whats wrong |
| 22:00.41 | tjk | well, what did you do? |
| 22:00.56 | guest | well if i run /etc/cron.daily/shadow |
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| 22:01.03 | guest | i get a shitload of errors |
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| 22:01.19 | Justin_ | guest: thats all normal |
| 22:01.30 | guest | "pwck" gives me a LOT of errors |
| 22:01.37 | guest | Justin_: aint i missing groups? |
| 22:01.49 | thomas_adam | guest: how can you have rm'ed /etc/group? Even as a mistake you'd have to be either clueless or drunk |
| 22:01.54 | Justin_ | you should have all the ones you listed |
| 22:02.22 | asg | thomas_adam: event drunks have backups |
| 22:02.29 | guest | thomas_adam: thats not the problem |
| 22:02.32 | guest | thomas_adam: the problem is that pwck says that i miss a looot of groups |
| 22:02.41 | thomas_adam | asg: inbetween keeping their hands steady top type commands |
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| 22:02.56 | splodge2003 | Hello |
| 22:03.00 | asg | thomas_adam: that's a brainstem function in many cases |
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| 22:03.03 | splodge2003 | If I did "apt-get update kdevelop" and it install new kdelibs am I in for a world of hurt? |
| 22:03.04 | thomas_adam | guest: do not /msg me, please. That right is reserved to special people like redrick and asg |
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| 22:03.20 | drusscol | I have a winxp box with a printer connected to it, and I want to print to it from a linux box. I have it installed using CUPS and Samba, but when trying to connect to the printer, I get an NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. How can I get CUPS to log into the computer, or allow anonymous printing? |
| 22:03.22 | guest | thomas_adam: sorry then |
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| 22:03.32 | thomasadamsbestf | i am your best friend |
| 22:03.33 | thomas_adam | thomasadamsbestf: hehehe |
| 22:03.35 | thomasadamsbestf | :) |
| 22:03.49 | b00 | is 2.4.23 apt'able? or only from kernel.org |
| 22:04.02 | thomasadamsbestf | b00: 2.6 is nice |
| 22:04.02 | asg | b00: in sid it is |
| 22:04.49 | asg | b00: if you use woody, you can download the pristine source (/msg dpkg kp -- for how to debianize your build) |
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| 22:05.01 | b00 | asg: ok |
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| 22:05.19 | beta3 | asg: setup a nice caching web proxy |
| 22:05.19 | b00 | asg: may be easier just to get the bz2 file and build it? |
| 22:05.20 | tjk | i never tried debianizing my kernels |
| 22:05.30 | tjk | couldn't figure out what the advantage was supoposed to be |
| 22:05.42 | asg | b00: yes, you can do that |
| 22:06.07 | b00 | thomasadamsbestf: yes, that is nice, i have 2.6 on this box |
| 22:06.10 | asg | beta3: have one :) |
| 22:06.21 | bucky | don't you need to patch the pristine source for cramsfs ? |
| 22:06.28 | Justin_ | you dont need cramfs |
| 22:06.34 | beta3 | asg: i didn't :) |
| 22:06.39 | bucky | no :-/ |
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| 22:06.52 | asg | beta3: :) |
| 22:06.58 | thomasadamsbestf | b00: did you get the nvidia drivers working? |
| 22:07.05 | bucky | that's what the doc, said - i don't know |
| 22:07.06 | thomasadamsbestf | ..if you use them |
| 22:07.09 | b00 | thomasadamsbestf: yes |
| 22:07.11 | b00 | :) |
| 22:07.15 | beta3 | asg: squid /w adzapper is sweet |
| 22:07.22 | thomasadamsbestf | b00: did you have to haXX0r them or what? |
| 22:07.32 | b00 | not, there is a patch |
| 22:07.37 | asg | beta3: never used adzapper, though I agree squid is nice |
| 22:07.41 | thomasadamsbestf | whats the url? |
| 22:07.49 | beta3 | asg: adzapper kills the adds |
| 22:07.54 | beta3 | ads/ |
| 22:07.56 | thomas_adam | squid, squidGuard and DansGuardian are all nice |
| 22:08.07 | asg | beta3: yes, but a degree in Philosophy gives you builtin tools against such bad logic :) |
| 22:08.15 | b00 | minion.de, something.. check #nvidia, in topic |
| 22:08.25 | VpB | tarzeau, are u there? |
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| 22:08.35 | asg | VpB: /msg dpkg seen tarzeau |
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| 22:08.45 | beta3 | asg: haha |
| 22:08.54 | karsten | How do I test for the existence of one or more files in a directory, bash. |
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| 22:09.08 | tarzeau | VpB: yes i'm here |
| 22:09.19 | VpB | tarzeau, i am sending another one |
| 22:09.22 | tarzeau | don't msg me, anyone! (unless you have DD and live near me) |
| 22:09.26 | chriz_ | somebody knows which variable of mail I must export , for ssh-keygen -t rsa dont use "chriz@localhost" as email? |
| 22:09.37 | benxor | can anyone tell me why testing/unstable has got 180mb of updates, but almost none of the .deb files are actually on the servers? |
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| 22:09.44 | asg | karsten: man bash (search for CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS) |
| 22:10.01 | VpB | tarzeau, what's DD? |
| 22:10.01 | caphuso | benxor: wait till the sync is completed |
| 22:10.13 | beta3 | !! |
| 22:10.13 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:10.15 | benxor | caphuso - sync? |
| 22:10.25 | caphuso | benxor: the mirror sync |
| 22:10.32 | caphuso | to get all mirrors synced to the main one |
| 22:10.48 | VpB | tarzeau, i sent it :) it without subject |
| 22:10.52 | karsten | asg: I know 'test'. The problem is expanding *, say. |
| 22:11.11 | benxor | caphuso, damn, takes a while |
| 22:11.16 | karsten | asg: And 'find . -type f; echo $?' indicates find returns true regardless of number of files found. |
| 22:11.18 | tem | karsten: if [[ -f file* ]]; then ?? |
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| 22:11.38 | tarzeau | VpB: you have never bought a bra, have you? |
| 22:11.48 | tarzeau | VpB: i don't mean for yourself, for your girlfriend |
| 22:11.55 | VpB | tarzeau, what's bra? |
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| 22:12.03 | tarzeau | apt bra |
| 22:12.07 | | wish i knew, tarzeau |
| 22:12.19 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.19 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.22 | chriz_ | nobody knows? |
| 22:12.24 | asg | karsten: okay, what are you trying to do |
| 22:12.27 | VpB | tarzeau, i know what is apt-get but apt bra not |
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| 22:12.50 | tarzeau | VpB: try google pictures |
| 22:13.00 | kleber | hi. folks |
| 22:13.03 | VpB | ok |
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| 22:13.37 | karsten | asg: Determine if I've got any files in a directory, bail if I don't, do additional processing if I do. |
| 22:13.44 | kleber | anybody has compiled a kernel with openmosix patch? |
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| 22:14.16 | VpB | tarzeau, what to try in google pictures ??? |
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| 22:14.53 | Kraig | how to change other user's (obviously not root) password? |
| 22:14.55 | tarzeau | VpB: bra |
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| 22:15.12 | VpB | hahahahahahaha |
| 22:15.14 | VpB | lol. |
| 22:15.15 | tarzeau | VpB: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-cd-kosovo/ |
| 22:15.18 | beta3 | asg: why isn't cvsup in debian? |
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| 22:15.21 | caphuso | Kraig: be root, run 'passwd username' |
| 22:15.21 | tarzeau | VpB: you know what is bra, now? |
| 22:15.32 | beta3 | asg: seems like the stupidest thing |
| 22:15.37 | asg | beta3: dunno, no one wanted to maintain it? |
| 22:15.41 | VpB | yes :) |
| 22:16.02 | tarzeau | VpB: good, this is very important |
| 22:16.11 | tarzeau | VpB: dd is a size of a bra (the largest i think) |
| 22:16.24 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: my gf wears dd |
| 22:16.29 | VpB | tarzeau, ahhh :) i understand now :) |
| 22:16.29 | tarzeau | jnagyjr: mine, not |
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| 22:16.38 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: too bad. lol |
| 22:16.44 | kleber | anybody want to talk about openmosix cluster??? |
| 22:16.49 | VpB | tarzeau, my gf wears extra-large dd |
| 22:16.49 | tarzeau | VpB: do i need to send you cd now or can you donwload? will you contact www.debian.org/CD/vendors for setup the links? |
| 22:16.50 | VpB | :P |
| 22:16.54 | tarzeau | jnagyjr: i'm happy |
| 22:16.59 | tarzeau | jnagyjr: size doesn't matter |
| 22:17.02 | karsten | asg: "find . -type f | wc -l" and testing for values of 0 or > 0 is how I'm inclined.' |
| 22:17.05 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: I recently read an article that women with big breasts are smarter then women with smaller breasts. |
| 22:17.10 | VpB | tarzeau, i can download |
| 22:17.26 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: it does wrt that article I'm talking about. |
| 22:17.27 | beta3 | asg: that has to be the easiest program to maintain |
| 22:17.29 | jnagyjr | ;) |
| 22:17.47 | tarzeau | jnagyjr: i heard there's pills to enlargen breasts, and it's harmless |
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| 22:18.02 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: We're talking natural size here, not enhanced in anyway. |
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| 22:18.18 | asg | karsten: some variation on that theme should suffice |
| 22:18.24 | VpB | tarzeau, is your gf male or female :P lol |
| 22:18.32 | asg | beta3: yes, but if nobody has the itch ... |
| 22:18.33 | Kraig | jnagyjr: women are suposse to have 200 grms more brain than mans, that makes then intelligent then |
| 22:18.40 | tarzeau | VpB: female |
| 22:18.42 | Kraig | lol VpB |
| 22:18.46 | jnagyjr | Kraig: That too. |
| 22:18.49 | MarcoPau | hi, my CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is set, but cdrecord -scanbus doesn't work |
| 22:18.57 | MarcoPau | what could the problem be? |
| 22:18.57 | jnagyjr | Kraig: But there seems to be a correalation between breast size and IQ |
| 22:19.00 | caphuso | beta3: cvsup is in woody |
| 22:19.12 | kleber | try cdrecord --scanbus |
| 22:19.16 | tarzeau | helix: can you say something to jnagyjr please? |
| 22:19.19 | Sinistrad | Kraig, that conflicts with a news article I read ~3-4 years ago stating that the male brain was (on average) 8% or so larger (by mass) than a woman's. |
| 22:19.26 | tarzeau | jnagyjr: what about large noses? |
| 22:19.27 | kleber | there is two "--" |
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| 22:19.37 | Kraig | Sinistrad: i doubt about it |
| 22:19.40 | jnagyjr | tarzeau: Hell if I know. The article focused on breast size. |
| 22:19.43 | asg | tarzeau: he wouldn't understand |
| 22:19.56 | MarcoPau | kleber: it's the same |
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| 22:20.12 | Sinistrad | Kraig, http://www.albany.edu/pr/albanymagspring99/deanfalk.htm |
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| 22:20.15 | kleber | do you put append=hdX=ide-scsi into you /etc/lilo.conf? |
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| 22:20.30 | rahul | kleber: append="..." |
| 22:20.35 | MarcoPau | kleber: don't think so. what part of the file? |
| 22:20.36 | zu22 | njj |
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| 22:20.39 | zu22 | kk |
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| 22:20.52 | MarcoPau | rahul: thank you, I knew that |
| 22:20.58 | Kraig | Sinistrad: i'll check it out, but i'll give you another url later |
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| 22:21.38 | kleber | there is a line append commented. |
| 22:21.38 | Kraig | Sinistrad: it seem we're in a big trouble, now we don't know wich one is true |
| 22:21.39 | MarcoPau | rahul: would you know in what part of the file I shall put that line? |
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| 22:21.56 | MarcoPau | kleber: ok, I'm checkin' it |
| 22:22.05 | Sinistrad | Kraig, I'm inclined to think that, as men are (on average) physically larger than women, organs such as the brain would follow that trend. |
| 22:22.11 | rahul | MarcoPau: before any boot definitions if you want it to apply to all, or in a specific one if you want it to apply to just that one |
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| 22:23.01 | MarcoPau | rahul: allright, thanks again |
| 22:23.30 | kleber | MarcoPau. this is the line in my /etc/lilo.conf append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 22:23.34 | jwir3 | Hello everyone. I am having trouble trying to perform a netinst |
| 22:23.47 | tam | OK having big problems here: i am trying to reinstall debian on a newly rooted box and when i boot it from the cdrom and try and install it got to a certain point and wouldn't continue. now it boots into a kernel panic without checking for bootable media first...anyone got any ideas how to fix this? :-/ |
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| 22:24.06 | Serbitar | http://www.noepatents.org/ |
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| 22:24.11 | Serbitar | doh sorry wrong channel! |
| 22:24.13 | rahul | tam: sounds like a flaky install disk |
| 22:24.21 | VpB | tarzeau, is Kraig a female name or male name? |
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| 22:24.41 | jwir3 | I am wondering if there is another location from which I can get a netinst iso. Debian.org doesn't seem to have working links |
| 22:24.43 | tam | rahul: it only ever booted once...never again |
| 22:24.47 | tarzeau | VpB: i think it's male |
| 22:24.52 | tarzeau | VpB: but i didn't test it |
| 22:24.52 | Kraig | VpB: what's the matter man? |
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| 22:24.56 | karsten | What's the bash "syntax check" option? -x? -s? |
| 22:25.02 | rahul | tam: looks like the disk is dead. try a different one |
| 22:25.05 | ljlane | -x |
| 22:25.15 | MarcoPau | kleber: ok, I did that too but still cdrecord -scanbus doens't give any good result |
| 22:25.15 | tam | rahul: the other rom is dead too :-/ |
| 22:25.22 | tam | s/rom/cdrom |
| 22:25.22 | kleber | tam verify if the root parameter is seted correctly into your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:25.23 | VpB | Kraig, nothing just trying to identify other nation's name |
| 22:25.29 | VpB | :) |
| 22:25.35 | asg | DoomIhlVaria: not cool at all |
| 22:25.39 | tam | kleber: it boots straight into kernel panic |
| 22:25.39 | madness | DoomIhlVaria: FOAD. |
| 22:25.45 | thomas_adam | DoomIhlVaria: dickhead |
| 22:25.46 | Kraig | VpB: np |
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| 22:25.55 | tam | DoomIhlVaria: wasting our bandwidth eh? |
| 22:26.00 | thomas_adam | DoomIhlVaria: there's over 600 loosers here |
| 22:26.03 | tam | ~slay DoomIhlVaria |
| 22:26.07 | | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, DoomIhlVaria!" apt lops off DoomIhlVaria's head. |
| 22:26.07 | VpB | DoomIhlVaria, ;) |
| 22:26.08 | DoomIhlVaria | Errr |
| 22:26.08 | JoePenguin | why do people get so upset about someone versioning them? |
| 22:26.10 | DoomIhlVaria | Sorry. Wrong window. |
| 22:26.30 | Xenguy | die |
| 22:26.32 | tam | kleber: so you know how i boot out of kernel panic then? |
| 22:26.33 | VpB | Kraig, ;) |
| 22:26.40 | Serbitar | JoePenguin: errm i have a problem with people versioning a whole channel because it could makes the server freak ^_^ |
| 22:26.46 | asg | JoePenguin: because it is usually a probe (which indicates someone with malicious intentions) |
| 22:26.57 | asg | VpB: please turn that off |
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| 22:27.03 | kleber | MarcoPau . you should upload the module ide-scsi (if was compiled as module) then run lilo and reboot |
| 22:27.12 | thomas_adam | ~tell VpB about away |
| 22:27.20 | asg | JoePenguin: that was also not cool |
| 22:27.41 | MarcoPau | kleber: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI this is yes not module |
| 22:27.47 | MarcoPau | kleber: so I just did lilo |
| 22:27.51 | kleber | tam maybe the root parameter is seted uncorrectly... |
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| 22:28.32 | JoePenguin | Serbitar: if it were that easy to make the server freak then that feature out to be disabled |
| 22:28.42 | JoePenguin | Serbitar: ought to be, i mean |
| 22:28.55 | tam | JoePenguin: but it is used for genuine intentions too... |
| 22:29.10 | JoePenguin | Serbitar: it's like getting made at someone for using a service that you provide |
| 22:29.15 | JoePenguin | s/made/mad/ |
| 22:29.33 | kleber | then try lilo and reboot you system. in the boot messages you will see if your cdrom (rw) was detected as scsi |
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| 22:30.07 | JoePenguin | asg: if you don't want me to know what client version you have, then don't advertise that information |
| 22:30.09 | kleber | MarcoPau |
| 22:30.16 | jack|h | argh |
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| 22:30.39 | orchid | hippie, I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, everything went ok, except dpkg died unpacking libgnomesupport0, it exited with an error code of 1, (think it was 1) now of course I cant unpack any of the other stuff untill I fix this, and dont know how to fix this, someone can help me? |
| 22:30.53 | tam | kleber: the whole point is that i can't do anything. it just boots into a kernel panic |
| 22:31.01 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.10 | jack|h | has anyone heard of a problem where a 2.6.0 machine can't get through a router? I can ping anything on the planet, but if i try to get to anything on the far side of the router, it just times out. It can reach anything locally fine. |
| 22:31.12 | MarcoPau | kleber: yes? |
| 22:31.26 | Justin_ | !tell jack|h about ecn |
| 22:31.28 | kleber | tam in my /etc/lilo.conf the root parameter is root=/dev/hda2 |
| 22:31.39 | kleber | MarcoPau. done? |
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| 22:31.47 | tam | kleber: i don't know. i can't do _anything_ |
| 22:32.05 | MarcoPau | kleber: done what? I already did lilo but it doens't work |
| 22:32.19 | kleber | tam try cat /etc/lilo.conf | grep root |
| 22:32.24 | tam | i.e. i press power button and it starts to boot and gets to a point where it says 'Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!' and will not move |
| 22:32.27 | jack|h | Justin_: that may be it. :) thanks! |
| 22:32.27 | MarcoPau | kleber: and my CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is compiled in the kernel, not a module |
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| 22:32.33 | tem | newnick tmc |
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| 22:32.37 | tam | kleber: keyboard doesn't work either |
| 22:32.39 | eddnnee | i need to run a binary thaht requires libc6 > 2.3. This is an unstable version, right? which repository can i use to get this? |
| 22:32.47 | kleber | MarcoPau you rebooted your system, is necessary |
| 22:33.05 | MarcoPau | kleber: after I do lilo? |
| 22:33.12 | jack|h | Justin_: i'm guessing Netgear (this is a home-router) drops it |
| 22:33.34 | duobleB-e-o | hy guys |
| 22:33.47 | kleber | MarcoPau perfectly. then you try reboot |
| 22:33.48 | duobleB-e-o | I've a question for you |
| 22:33.55 | MarcoPau | kleber: allright |
| 22:33.56 | MarcoPau | BRB |
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| 22:35.50 | duobleB-e-o | Does anyone know how to send an e-mail with the line-command mail? |
| 22:35.53 | duobleB-e-o | or mutt |
| 22:35.58 | duobleB-e-o | or sendmail |
| 22:36.03 | Kraig | man mail |
| 22:36.07 | Kraig | man mutt |
| 22:36.10 | duobleB-e-o | I've tried with |
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| 22:36.25 | oskie | duobleB-e-o: echo 'hello' |mail a.friend@aol.com |
| 22:36.25 | duobleB-e-o | that |
| 22:36.26 | MarcoPau | e |
| 22:36.27 | Kraig | then what's the problem? |
| 22:36.28 | MarcoPau | kleber: it works ;-) thanks a lot |
| 22:36.29 | kleber | tam. do you verified your /etc/lilo.conf? |
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| 22:37.07 | kleber | MarcoPau. where are you? |
| 22:37.28 | JoePenguin | duobleB-e-o: i use mutt all the time, but there is plenty of documentation for that on the web. |
| 22:37.37 | jack|h | Justin_: Thanks, that was totally it. :) |
| 22:37.41 | tam | kleber: i don't wanna be cheeky or anything...i cannot do ANYTHING with it. it boots to a kernel panic nothing else. i have rebooted several times and several times it has done the very same thing. i just wanted to know if they are any commands that could bring it out of kernel panic for a moment |
| 22:37.47 | duobleB-e-o | I've done it but maybe the problem is in yahoo |
| 22:37.51 | tem | duobleB-e-o: mail -s [subject] email@address.here <ENTER> type message here <CTRL><D> |
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| 22:38.20 | duobleB-e-o | it gives me back an error |
| 22:38.23 | karsten | With fetchmail: is there a way to restrict fetches to mail *over* a certain size? |
| 22:38.42 | Xenguy | karsten: yes |
| 22:38.48 | kleber | tam boot by cdrom (debian installation) and type rescue root=/dev/hdaX |
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| 22:38.51 | duobleB-e-o | when i used mandrake there wasn't any problem |
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| 22:38.57 | theSpear | Any1 here know alot about colocation? Where are good places for colocation.. etc? |
| 22:39.03 | tam | kleber: tryed that. same thing :-/ |
| 22:39.13 | MarcoPau | kleber: Italy |
| 22:39.52 | Xenguy | karsten: e.g. -> fetchmail -l 80000 |
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| 22:40.33 | Xenguy | karsten: oh, you want the reverse |
| 22:40.37 | kleber | MarcoPau I am from Brazil |
| 22:40.47 | thomas_adam | wow |
| 22:40.52 | tommyj | is there no alsa-modules-2.4.23-1-686 ? |
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| 22:41.17 | Justin_ | tommyj: alsa-source |
| 22:41.22 | tommyj | Justin_: ok, I'll compile :P |
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| 22:42.00 | kleber | tam you have to boot from installation cdrom, and type rescue root=/dev/hda2 (example) |
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| 22:42.18 | Digitalsniper | hi |
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| 22:42.30 | Digitalsniper | i've got a problem installin mplayer |
| 22:42.56 | duobleB-e-o | i used the option -v and I've seen that yahoo gives me back an error |
| 22:43.03 | Digitalsniper | it gives an error that it can't find subtitlefont.ttf |
| 22:43.09 | kleber | tam. do you understood? |
| 22:43.29 | Digitalsniper | subfont.ttl i meant |
| 22:43.42 | Digitalsniper | can anybody give me that file |
| 22:43.51 | tam | kleber: yes. but it doesn't let me type _anything_ either |
| 22:44.47 | Kraig | hey, the pyrats use something where they don't have an eye, but i don't remember the name, how was it.... |
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| 22:46.03 | pmcalpin | i am running xfce4 from gdm and would like to execute some cleanup commands when I logout (ex- 'fetchmail --quit'). what are some ways I could do this? |
| 22:46.29 | MarcoPau | kleber: cool :-) |
| 22:46.34 | karsten | Xenguy: Yeah. |
| 22:46.44 | MarcoPau | kleber: hope I'll be in south america one day |
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| 22:47.37 | duobleB-e-o | i used the option mail -v and I've seen that yahoo gives me back an error |
| 22:47.46 | kleber | tam on the moment witch the system boot up by cd-rom, its stop, in this moment if you press enter, its load de default installation kernel (linux) in this moment type rescue root=/dev/hda2, ok? |
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| 22:48.11 | _grzesiek | does anyone expierience problem with exim? in my setupfor every mail sent there is process left that was sending it (i.e /usr/sbin/exim -Mc 1AdDKI-0005dW-00) and like that for every mail.... any ideas? |
| 22:48.18 | tam | kleber: i hit the computer and now it's booting heh. am trying to reinstall as the box was rooted a couple of nights ago |
| 22:48.26 | tam | kleber: thanks for your help |
| 22:49.07 | kreg | wow, the colts are beatin the broncos sideways. |
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| 22:49.29 | duobleB-e-o | i used the option mail -v and I've seen that yahoo gives me back an error ---> does anyone have any kind of tips for me? |
| 22:49.37 | MarcoPau | doesn't the blank funcition in cdrecord have any verbose option to show the percentage? |
| 22:49.43 | kzar | is it possible to let users r/w to a mount thing in the fstab file? |
| 22:49.47 | oskie | _grzesiek: #exim might help.. i suspect your exim is not configured correctly |
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| 22:50.20 | clown | I have received 2 kernel-traps recently but I have no idea how to cope with it. E.g., where can I find that OOPS info? I've looked in /var/log but couldn't find it. |
| 22:51.06 | clown | Actually the trap reported that is was a kernel-bug. |
| 22:51.06 | _grzesiek | oskie : they dont know, but it started after I started recompiling kernel (it failed but that what started happening) |
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| 22:51.13 | karsten | Anyone having problems with foomatic-filters postinst? |
| 22:51.15 | kleber | MarcoPau. the europe should be cool, too! The Debian is langelly used on eupore? |
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| 22:51.21 | MarcoPau | whoops |
| 22:51.34 | exobyte | I set up my ppp stuff with pppconfig. When I do pppd foo, the modem dials and I hear connection stuff, but it doesn't connect |
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| 22:51.42 | thomas_adam | what would cause an error during a ./configure to give "checking for C compiler... cannot create executables"? |
| 22:51.52 | thomas_adam | is it an ld error? |
| 22:51.54 | oskie | _grzesiek: well, are there any error messages logged by exim? what kernel are you using? |
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| 22:52.16 | InitMass | is it possible to enable preempt and lowlatency in a ordinary 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:52.18 | JoePenguin | thomas_adam: that sounds familiar... check the permissions on gcc, or see that it even exists |
| 22:52.28 | caphuso | thomas_adam: several things. failed to install build-essential would be one possibility |
| 22:52.29 | thomas_adam | JoePenguin: it exists |
| 22:52.35 | tam | how big is the debian (US) base system for woody? |
| 22:52.37 | thomas_adam | caphuso: good point |
| 22:52.44 | oskie | oh no.. another incomplete/broken Kerberos 5 library - GNU Shishi |
| 22:52.47 | duobleB-e-o | ok ...... thanks anyway |
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| 22:52.55 | _grzesiek | oskie : I'cant check it now... I've lost access by now its remote, have to go tommor |
| 22:52.59 | _grzesiek | ow |
| 22:53.03 | oskie | _grzesiek: hm ok |
| 22:53.11 | duobleB-e-o | o |
| 22:53.14 | duobleB-e-o | please |
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| 22:53.23 | JoePenguin | tam: somewhere between 60 and 100 megs, i think |
| 22:53.25 | _grzesiek | it mut took all processor power |
| 22:53.28 | kleber | exobyte try plog |
| 22:53.34 | duobleB-e-o | I'need antoher tips |
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| 22:53.51 | duobleB-e-o | maybe the problem is ... |
| 22:54.05 | duobleB-e-o | that my smtp is not well configured |
| 22:54.09 | kzar | im trying to mount my ipod so that regular users can use it. Is there an option in the fstab i need to add ? |
| 22:54.10 | tam | cheers JoePenguin now i can go away for 30 mins and come back :) |
| 22:54.23 | duobleB-e-o | how can I configure my smtp |
| 22:54.33 | duobleB-e-o | ? |
| 22:54.35 | JoePenguin | tam: oh. slow net install? :) |
| 22:54.36 | kleber | exobyte? |
| 22:54.58 | duobleB-e-o | for my mail... |
| 22:55.01 | exobyte | kleber: I'm back |
| 22:55.06 | duobleB-e-o | ? |
| 22:55.11 | Justin_ | !tell kzar about vfatrw |
| 22:55.12 | exobyte | kleber: is plog a dialer? |
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| 22:55.45 | duobleB-e-o | please |
| 22:55.49 | duobleB-e-o | :( |
| 22:55.51 | kleber | exobyte there is the log of ppp connections |
| 22:55.54 | exobyte | I see Justin_ is home |
| 22:55.59 | exobyte | ah |
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| 22:56.14 | exobyte | kleber: blank- nothing |
| 22:56.25 | tam | JoePenguin: only 512 :) |
| 22:56.36 | exobyte | kleber: as was /var/log/ppp-connect-errors |
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| 22:56.46 | kleber | tye pon <your connection> |
| 22:56.53 | kleber | trye pon <your connection> |
| 22:56.59 | kleber | try pon <your connection> |
| 22:57.01 | exobyte | lol |
| 22:57.05 | kzar | Justin_: thanks, worked a charm |
| 22:57.15 | kleber | yes... |
| 22:57.24 | JoePenguin | tam: go make a pizza or something :P |
| 22:57.51 | exobyte | kleber: it began to dial, but the line was in use (/me talkign here) |
| 22:58.12 | duobleB-e-o | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks a lot anyway, maybe no one knows how... |
| 22:58.12 | kleber | JoePenguin I like pizza... whats the flavour? |
| 22:59.00 | zu22 | d |
| 22:59.03 | kleber | exobyte oh excuse me..... motorola? |
| 22:59.13 | exobyte | kleber: I'll give it a try when no one else is on |
| 22:59.25 | exobyte | kleber: huh? |
| 22:59.29 | rahul | kleber: you sure tried a lot of times :P |
| 22:59.43 | rahul | speaking of food |
| 22:59.48 | rahul | and fooz |
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| 23:00.39 | JoePenguin | kleber: ham & pineapple |
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| 23:01.21 | JoePenguin | kleber: pizza is good with root beer :) |
| 23:01.41 | baz | argh, I'm on atkins, stop torturing me with this forbidden stuff :) |
| 23:02.12 | kleber | JoePenguin yes... with a very cold beer hehehe |
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| 23:02.55 | JoePenguin | kleber, have you ever tried a hot beer? |
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| 23:03.25 | JoePenguin | kleber, i was wondering if it was analogous to cold coffee |
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| 23:03.52 | JoePenguin | kleber, though i suppose that analogy wouldn't help too much since i don't drink either :P |
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| 23:04.21 | linlam | How can I check what glib (I installed new version of glib, but I hadn't unistalled earlier version and new doesn't work) packages I have installed |
| 23:04.33 | JoePenguin | i should set up ipv6 so i can be elite like prox and pngwn |
| 23:04.49 | bob2 | linlam: you don't. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 23:05.03 | kleber | JoePenguin sometimes. i lives in a hot country |
| 23:05.06 | gratuit | I'm trying to edit my fluxbox menu, itseems to be one that is autogenerated, and I can't find where the file is for it, anyone know where it would be? (doesn't seem to be in /usr/share/fluxbox or ~/.fluxbox) |
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| 23:05.17 | JoePenguin | linlam, maybe you want "dpkg -l libc6" |
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| 23:05.37 | caphuso | JoePenguin: he asked for glib, not libc6 |
| 23:06.18 | caphuso | linlam: use dpkg -l libglib\* | grep '^ii' |
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| 23:06.33 | zygut | what happens when someone uploads a package as "Architecture: any" that is supposed to be "Architecture: all"? |
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| 23:06.58 | JoePenguin | caphuso: i was thinking glibc |
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| 23:07.04 | linlam | I try to install new gtk+, but instalation script generate error. Dpg-config return version 2.2.3, but script finde 2.0.2 |
| 23:07.07 | pmcalpin | is there a defacto standard imap server (i only want to use it locally) |
| 23:07.08 | kleber | bye... i am dinner. is 8:00 pm hear.. |
| 23:07.12 | bob2 | zygut: one is arch-non-specific stuff, like documentation, one is a source package that should be autobuilt on all architectures. |
| 23:07.24 | bob2 | linlam: then install glib from a Debian package, duh. |
| 23:07.39 | bob2 | pmcalpin: courier handles virtual stuff very well, and dovecot is very, very fast. |
| 23:08.21 | zygut | bob2: yeah, I know that "any" needs to be built on all architectures (like a C program), and "all" is something like documentation, but what i am wondering is what happens when someone uploads a "Architecture: any" that should've been an "Architecture: all"? |
| 23:09.07 | bob2 | zygut: oh. it gets autobuilt on every arch, and the maintainer gets kicked in the head until they promise to never ever make a mistake again. |
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| 23:09.36 | linlam | I've installed glib-2.2.3 from source. |
| 23:10.07 | zygut | bob2: would there be an error or something? Because if it is actually something like documentation, then building it on all architectures doesn't really do anything does it? |
| 23:10.22 | theSpear | http://www.heritageleathercw.com/cgi-bin/commercesql/index.cgi?page=../../../../../../../../etc/passwd |
| 23:10.31 | bob2 | linlam: then don't do that. install it from the packages. |
| 23:10.52 | bob2 | zygut: it would presumably build 13 almost identical packages. |
| 23:11.16 | michal | i've just done a basic 3.0 woody installation. now i want to upgrade it to sarge. is apt-get dist-upgrade all i have to do? or do i need to point my sources.list somewhere? they're currently pointed at the installation cds |
| 23:11.17 | zygut | bob2: so it wastes space and resources |
| 23:11.37 | clown | I have received 2 kernel-traps recently but I have no idea how to cope with it. E.g., where can I find that OOPS info? I've looked in /var/log but couldn't find it. |
| 23:11.38 | bob2 | zygut: yeah. |
| 23:11.42 | js__ | what does the regex for a whole line look like? say "hello i'm cool" |
| 23:11.47 | bob2 | clown: "dmesg" |
| 23:11.53 | bob2 | js__: ^.*$ |
| 23:12.17 | clown | bob2: nah, this machine was going down at that moment. |
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| 23:12.38 | js__ | bob2: what if the line contains + or * and i want to match those explicitly? |
| 23:12.48 | zygut | bob2: what about the converse? I assume it wont be built on any of the architectures, creating a package that will possibly fail building on the end-user? |
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| 23:13.22 | clown | michal: in /etc/apt/sources.list, replace 'stable' or 'woody' with 'testing' or 'sarge'. After that, apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 23:13.24 | bob2 | clown: kern.log then. or kern.log.N. if it panic'd, however, it's likely it stopped itself writing anything to the disk (to prevent massive filesystem corrupttion) |
| 23:13.33 | bob2 | js__: what do you mean? |
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| 23:13.47 | bob2 | zygut: arrch: all isn't autobuilt. iirc, anyway. |
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| 23:14.01 | bob2 | michal: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 23:14.25 | gratuit | where are the standards for where files of various types should be kept? |
| 23:14.30 | js__ | bob2: say the line is "hello *something*" and i want to only match that line and nothing else, in regex |
| 23:14.32 | _mechanix | regex for whole line? |
| 23:14.32 | zygut | bob2: but if it was supposed to be autobuilt, and it isn't, then it is going to be a mess |
| 23:14.42 | tem | js__: escape a single character with a backslash '\' |
| 23:14.45 | bob2 | gratuit: Debian uses the FHS, www.pathname.com/FHS/ |
| 23:14.57 | michal | clown: problem is that as i said my sources.list points at CDs. gonna try bob2's hint with /msg |
| 23:14.58 | bob2 | gratuit: as does the Linux Standards Base, which means almost every other linxu distro. |
| 23:15.06 | sy_ | Hello, does anyone know how long it usually takes for a newly registered domain name to start fowarding to another URL? |
| 23:15.10 | bob2 | js__: huh? why do you want a regexp then? |
| 23:15.20 | bob2 | js__: ^hello \*something\*$ |
| 23:15.30 | _mechanix | grep "hello" ehehehe |
| 23:15.54 | js__ | bob2: i'm coding a program and i made a regex function (to which i need to use regex like one normally would), but sometimes i want to match full lines |
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| 23:15.54 | bob2 | zygut: I'm not really sure what will happen, actually. probably katie (the archive manager software) will cry that there's no _all "binary" package along with it. |
| 23:16.00 | js__ | ok, thanks |
| 23:16.04 | linlam | ok. Where can I find glib (2.2.3) debian's packages? |
| 23:16.13 | CSMan | is there an auto config for cdrom devices? |
| 23:16.20 | quaqo | Bye All! |
| 23:16.20 | bob2 | sy_: domain's don't ever forward to urls. do you mean, "how long does it take for new domains to be resolvable?"? |
| 23:16.23 | CSMan | before i mess with symlinks |
| 23:16.24 | linlam | on gtk+ ftp I can't find it |
| 23:16.28 | bob2 | CSMan: no |
| 23:16.34 | sy_ | bob2: yes |
| 23:16.38 | bob2 | linlam: in sid or sarge. or www.apt-get.org for woody. |
| 23:16.45 | CSMan | nothing similar to kudzu? |
| 23:16.53 | dondelelcaro | bob2: usually lintian catches those sorts of bugs. |
| 23:16.55 | bob2 | sy_: less than a day. some people won't see it for a few days, since some DNS servers are shit. |
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| 23:17.02 | bob2 | CSMan: apt-cache show kudzu |
| 23:17.05 | bob2 | CSMan: and discover. |
| 23:17.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: if a package doesn't contain anything that can be stripped, (or isn't ELF or a.out) it should be Arch: all |
| 23:17.45 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: endian-specific binary data? |
| 23:18.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: a package with endian-specific binary data should be shot... [but then, it probably is coupled with a binary, so that's ok.] |
| 23:18.35 | rahul | ~penixstrike bob2 |
| 23:18.39 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking bob2 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:18.39 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hah, true. |
| 23:18.56 | bob2 | rahul: hey, I was about to use "byte-compiled lisp" as my example, be happy. |
| 23:18.58 | rahul | if it's endian-specific, the format is retarded |
| 23:19.09 | rahul | bob2: byte-compiled lisp is so 40s |
| 23:19.17 | gratuit | if a window manager put it's menu files in /etc/X11/<package name>/ rather than /usr/share/<package name> would that violate the FHS? since it is architecture independant data..... |
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| 23:19.37 | bob2 | gratuit: it's something the admin would modify. |
| 23:19.38 | caphuso | gratuit: menu files are config files |
| 23:19.41 | rahul | actually, byte-compiled lisp came after native-compiled lisp, afaict |
| 23:19.41 | dondelelcaro | gratuit: if it isn't a conf file, it doesn't go in /etc |
| 23:19.58 | bob2 | gratuit: I had to patch a WM to store it's menu files there to conform to the FHS. |
| 23:20.07 | gratuit | ah, ok |
| 23:20.20 | thomas_adam | bob2: FHS or LSB? Many distros adopt the latter.... |
| 23:20.27 | rahul | bob2: and the FASL format should be fixed-endian or have and endianness indicated in the magic |
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| 23:20.29 | bob2 | thomas_adam: LSB #include's the FHS. |
| 23:20.37 | bob2 | rahul: haha lisp. |
| 23:20.55 | bob2 | rahul: is lisp bytecode generally portable between arches? |
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| 23:21.06 | rahul | bob2: "lisp bytecode" doesn't exist |
| 23:21.13 | thomas_adam | hahaha |
| 23:21.14 | michal | clown: where can i find where to point my sources.list? can't find it on debian.org. i would like to find some local UK sources. |
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| 23:21.26 | thomas_adam | michal: apt-setup |
| 23:21.29 | bob2 | rahul: "bytecode emitted from a particular lithp compiler" |
| 23:21.37 | rahul | bob2: there's clisp bytecode, elisp bytecode, and cmucl bytecode |
| 23:21.42 | sy_ | bob2: I set my domain in godaddy.com to foward to another URL, when ppl type in my domain, it will go to that URL, right? I dont need my domain hosted anywhere first, do I? |
| 23:21.45 | michal | thomas_adam: cheers :) |
| 23:21.50 | thomas_adam | michal: yw |
| 23:21.52 | rahul | bob2: afaik, the files themselves are portable |
| 23:21.55 | bob2 | sy_: haha. |
| 23:21.55 | clown | michal: use apt-setup when in doubt. |
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| 23:22.12 | bob2 | sy_: well, that's something diferent. it'll still take a day or so. |
| 23:22.30 | rahul | bob2: however, the *features* on different archs will be different, so the resulting bytecode might be different if it conditionalizes on them |
| 23:22.32 | sy_ | bob2: ok, cool... |
| 23:22.46 | bob2 | rahul: oh. |
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| 23:22.53 | jnagyjr | I need to set up a me bot when I'm sleeping. |
| 23:23.13 | bob2 | VpB: turn that off? |
| 23:23.15 | rahul | bob2: if you byte-compile #+x86 foo #+sparc bar, the resulting bytecode will be different on each arch |
| 23:23.20 | thomas_adam | ~lart VpB |
| 23:23.34 | rahul | bob2: but that's really because the code that the reader gives to the compiler will be different |
| 23:23.36 | cafuego | !cricket bob2 |
| 23:23.49 | jnagyjr | -lart jnagyjr |
| 23:24.14 | bob2 | rahul: ah. |
| 23:24.26 | rahul | bob2: got a stadium built? |
| 23:24.29 | cafuego | Bwahaha! |
| 23:24.42 | clemyeats | Hi everybody |
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| 23:24.47 | rahul | those things are expensive, what with the high walls that need to be rather sturdy and all |
| 23:24.51 | jnagyjr | lart jnagyjr |
| 23:24.56 | jnagyjr | doh |
| 23:25.00 | bob2 | rahul: I prefer traditional ultra-cricket, in a field. |
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| 23:25.00 | clemyeats | any info about when the Sarge will be released ? |
| 23:25.03 | CSMan | any small console cdplayer to install from .deb? |
| 23:25.06 | jnagyjr | oh, it's tilde |
| 23:25.06 | jnagyjr | haha |
| 23:25.08 | bob2 | rahul: with optional baited bears, too. |
| 23:25.08 | jnagyjr | damn font |
| 23:25.12 | caphuso | CSMan: cdcd |
| 23:25.12 | jnagyjr | ~lart jnagyjr |
| 23:25.16 | rahul | and the equipment launchers so that equipment manages to fly over those walls |
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| 23:25.17 | CSMan | ok thx |
| 23:25.17 | bob2 | clemyeats: wir. not this week. |
| 23:25.33 | rahul | bob2: too dangerous. where will you find players? |
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| 23:25.53 | alem | when i run in.qpopper, it doesnt work. nothing is written in /var/log/daaemon.log |
| 23:25.59 | alem | nor in other logs |
| 23:26.08 | thomas_adam | alem: STERR? |
| 23:26.11 | thomas_adam | alem: STDERR? |
| 23:26.14 | bob2 | alem: you can't just run it like that. |
| 23:26.22 | bob2 | it needs to run from inetd. |
| 23:26.27 | thomas_adam | is that not an inetd line? |
| 23:26.29 | alem | bob2: how do i run it ? |
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| 23:26.47 | thomas_adam | alem: add it to /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 23:26.49 | thomas_adam | I believe |
| 23:26.52 | alem | it cant work as standalone ? |
| 23:26.56 | bob2 | rahul: it's amazing how eager people are to play when they find the alternative is a trip to troubled's secret mountain lair. |
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| 23:27.05 | thomas_adam | alem: best to spawn it via inetd |
| 23:27.07 | bob2 | alem: it's already running out of inetd. why do you want to run it stand-alone? |
| 23:27.09 | alem | but in the maunal it sais it can be run as tsandalone |
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| 23:27.17 | bob2 | then RTFM about how to do so. |
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| 23:27.24 | alem | ok |
| 23:27.33 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
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| 23:28.12 | bob2 | but why are you bothering? |
| 23:28.24 | thomas_adam | bob2: he quit... |
| 23:28.27 | bob2 | if you have THAT much traffic that inetd is a bottleneck, you need a better pop server anyway. |
| 23:28.54 | dondelelcaro | yerp. |
| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | bob2: although I doubt he has enough pipe to even get close to that particular bottleneck... |
| 23:29.17 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: where'd you get the nick from? The name is familiar to a fictional character.... |
| 23:29.29 | dondelelcaro | !literal dondelelcaro |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is (don=don del=del(phi|psi) elcaro=oracle|a nutcase who can't stop talking to apt|clinically insane|continuously dying and comming back to life), |
| 23:29.32 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ah, good point. |
| 23:29.52 | thomas_adam | ah |
| 23:30.01 | bob2 | don the oracle from delphi? |
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| 23:30.14 | thomas_adam | yes |
| 23:30.30 | bob2 | From: Sabbath 7th Day <ga-stek@hetnet.nl> |
| 23:30.30 | bob2 | Subject: Earth's Final Warning and the End of Times |
| 23:30.31 | dondelelcaro | bob2: I used to go on boards as the delphi or the oracle (at delphi) |
| 23:30.41 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ahh |
| 23:31.05 | dondelelcaro | bob2: but that was ages ago. |
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| 23:31.52 | bob2 | geez I hate making mistakes with C++ templates |
| 23:32.17 | thomas_adam | bob2: code in another language then ;) |
| 23:32.26 | bob2 | waste a minute of compile time, and get a five hundred page error message. |
| 23:32.33 | cafuego | Can I set up CUPS to use a Samba print share? |
| 23:32.38 | bob2 | thomas_adam: and I quote: REWRITE THIS IN C, IT WILL BE FASTER!!!!11 |
| 23:33.09 | baz | perl will do |
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| 23:33.50 | nomeata | "gdbm fatal: malloc error" when running mandb - what does that mean? |
| 23:34.03 | bob2 | cafuego: does anything smbsounding show up in the wbeinterface after you install smbtools (or whatever it's called). |
| 23:34.04 | thomas_adam | bob2: I we're literally on opposite sides of the world, but, DID YOU HAVE TO SHOUT? :) |
| 23:34.07 | bob2 | songpenguin: dude, NO. |
| 23:34.14 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: <-- prick |
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| 23:34.21 | songpenguin | sorry |
| 23:34.25 | bob2 | thomas_adam: I was quoting what I was told ;-) |
| 23:34.25 | cafuego | bob2: lemme have a look |
| 23:34.34 | thomas_adam | bob2: ;) |
| 23:34.37 | songpenguin | was experementing with IRC commands :-( |
| 23:34.53 | bob2 | songpenguin: /help command |
| 23:34.55 | bob2 | songpenguin: before running it, in future. |
| 23:34.56 | songpenguin | oops |
| 23:35.01 | doublehp | hello; did any one patch successfully his kernel against swsusp ? |
| 23:35.21 | michal | now i'll ask a really stupid question: "when's sarge gonna B stable and out on CDs/dvd?" (more than 2 months? - please don't crucify me 4 this, wazn't intending to flame) |
| 23:35.22 | songpenguin | sorry everybody! |
| 23:35.44 | rahul | I will crucify you 5 |
| 23:35.48 | bob2 | michal: when it's ready. thr RC bug count is at ~300, it has to be 0 before sarge will release. |
| 23:35.58 | cafuego | bob2: Ah yes, after I restart cupsd |
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| 23:36.09 | bob2 | michal: weeks, at least. you can already make your own cds if you like, though. |
| 23:36.12 | Justin_ | bob2: yeah, c++ error messages are useless |
| 23:36.14 | michal | bob2: and how fast is it moving? |
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| 23:36.23 | bob2 | michal: not very :/ |
| 23:36.32 | Justin_ | bob2: half the time I wish it would just say, go to line 110, column 20, and fix "something" |
| 23:36.34 | quangvannguyen | hello |
| 23:36.36 | michal | bob2: :( |
| 23:36.39 | quangvannguyen | anyone here? |
| 23:36.47 | bob2 | quangvannguyen: duh, you can see us talking. |
| 23:36.48 | michal | quan...whatever: no |
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| 23:37.00 | quangvannguyen | f |
| 23:37.14 | NewBiePPC | thats better |
| 23:37.25 | bob2 | Justin_: yeah, having to pipe it all to less is hell-annoying. and the formatting is really cramped, so you can't even just scan it and see the problem. |
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| 23:37.37 | bob2 | yes, putting "newbie" in your nick will make people want to help you more. |
| 23:37.38 | Recon1 | greetings all |
| 23:37.43 | NewBiePPC | does this room support debian on ppc? |
| 23:37.45 | NewBiePPC | powerPC? |
| 23:37.47 | bob2 | NewBiePPC: #debianppc |
| 23:37.51 | tarzeau | bob2: hehe |
| 23:37.53 | NewBiePPC | i got a powerbook you se.. |
| 23:37.55 | NewBiePPC | e |
| 23:37.59 | cafuego | bob2: Setting up a fax server to be available via Samba. |
| 23:38.00 | bob2 | NewBiePPC: #debianppc |
| 23:38.06 | NewBiePPC | great! |
| 23:38.07 | tarzeau | NewBiePPC: i got a woman with large tits and hard nipples |
| 23:38.07 | bob2 | cafuego: oooh, neat-o. |
| 23:38.11 | tarzeau | NewBiePPC: now what? |
| 23:38.12 | cafuego | NewBiePPC: My fax server runs on PPC. |
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| 23:39.06 | cafuego | bob2: It accepts and prints faxes on the laserjet now... next step is sending, then cover pages, then making the print actually useful, then web-to-fax and mail-to-fax |
| 23:39.08 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: do you know if katie will reject an upload of a arch: all package with no binary? |
| 23:39.25 | cafuego | and fax-to-mail would be sueful too (but that easy) |
| 23:39.38 | Tigren | A/S/L?! |
| 23:39.45 | cafuego | Tigren: Yes |
| 23:39.56 | Tigren | cafuego: asl? |
| 23:39.59 | Justin_ | !+asl |
| 23:39.59 | dpkg | #debian, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 23:40.01 | bob2 | Tigren: 13/f/NYC. |
| 23:40.07 | CSMan | uhmmm... what are permissions needed for a cdrom device? |
| 23:40.11 | bowman | good evening! on a freshly installed debian, X applications (e.g. Firebird, xchat) have far too big fonts, I think pango has bad settings - how can I change the font size? |
| 23:40.12 | cafuego | Tigren: Yes, I have all of them. |
| 23:40.20 | Tigren | bob2: pictures? |
| 23:40.30 | bob2 | CSMan: readable by people who want to use it. the actual device, tho, not the symlink. |
| 23:40.34 | bob2 | Tigren: go away. |
| 23:40.42 | cafuego | Tigren: bob2 is a liar, he's 54 and lives in queensland |
| 23:40.51 | tarzeau | cafuego: hahha |
| 23:40.55 | cafuego | Tigren: Now whatw as your debian question again? |
| 23:40.56 | bob2 | cafuego: bob2 != Penix. |
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| 23:40.58 | dondelelcaro | bob2: if its supposed to have a binary package, it should. |
| 23:41.09 | bowman | I thought the asl question was dead lol |
| 23:41.19 | Tigren | cafuego: want to know where mirc is in knoppix |
| 23:41.21 | tarzeau | !+fun |
| 23:41.21 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 23:41.24 | Tigren | or aol |
| 23:41.29 | cafuego | bob2: If you package somehting up and are not a DD, do you ask for a sponsor on debian-mentors? |
| 23:41.29 | bob2 | Tigren: this is not the place to pickup teenage girls, go away. |
| 23:41.30 | tarzeau | ~+fun |
| 23:41.32 | | rumour has it, fun is irrelevant. two people, /nick and /quit are on a boat. /nick falls off the boat. who's left on the boat? |
| 23:41.32 | bob2 | Tigren: #knoppix |
| 23:41.32 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite Tigren |
| 23:41.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Tigren. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:41.38 | bob2 | cafuego: yup. |
| 23:41.45 | Tigren | /topic doesnt work |
| 23:41.49 | cafuego | Tigren: mirc is in #knoppix, not in #debian |
| 23:41.54 | songpenguin | apt: a dirty trick? |
| 23:41.56 | | songpenguin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:41.56 | rahul | ~penixstrike Tigren |
| 23:41.59 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Tigren to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:41.59 | Tigren | apt, oh, i know the answer |
| 23:42.01 | | Tigren: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:42.01 | Tigren | /quit |
| 23:42.01 | cafuego | bob2: Cool, must get onto that as well then. |
| 23:42.01 | ljlane | bob2, he's a knoppix expert. I guess he's trolling today. :) |
| 23:42.09 | cafuego | when i figure out the postinst script |
| 23:42.15 | Tigren | what is the rtfm? |
| 23:42.19 | tarzeau | Tigren: read the funky manual |
| 23:42.22 | thomas_adam | Tigren: FUCK OFF |
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| 23:42.25 | Tigren | where can i find that one? |
| 23:42.26 | thomas_adam | someone with ops, kick him |
| 23:42.28 | songpenguin | is'nt apt a bot? |
| 23:42.38 | Tigren | i've never read the funky manual |
| 23:42.39 | cafuego | songpenguin: Yes, but less so than some users. |
| 23:42.39 | JoePenguin | Tigren: i think it's best not to get everyone in a grump mood |
| 23:42.40 | bob2 | Tigren: go to #knoppix. Debian is not knoppix. |
| 23:42.42 | bob2 | songpenguin: yes. |
| 23:42.51 | blooscrn | hi all. moved into debian from RH... not a guru by any means. setting up a multihomed box that has Samba and IPTables... weirdness is that my remote SSH connection 'freezes' when I list data that spans more than a screen. Seem to be having some probs with 2 of the 3c905B. Anyone have something similar? |
| 23:42.51 | bob2 | songpenguin: more than me, less than sgeigerbot |
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| 23:42.52 | Tigren | bah, such a bore |
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| 23:42.59 | songpenguin | cafuego: bob2: lol |
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| 23:43.23 | songpenguin | Tigren: I talked to a bot once... |
| 23:43.25 | Recon1 | tigren kill init |
| 23:43.37 | songpenguin | Tigren: don't do it! |
| 23:43.40 | JoePenguin | Recon1: he left |
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| 23:44.11 | blooscrn | ideas on the problem, anyone, please? |
| 23:44.12 | rahul | penixstrike |
| 23:44.14 | rahul | ~penixstrike |
| 23:44.16 | | A shower of Penii descend from the heavens, pounding everyone and leaving them sore. |
| 23:44.16 | dcooper | just moving to debian, how many of the iso's do i need to download? |
| 23:44.16 | songpenguin | Recon1: does'nt killing init make your comp go *poof* |
| 23:44.23 | tarzeau | Tigren is 00:44 [debian] -!- channels : #sfvlug #bsdusers @#nix #morphix #knoppix #ruslug |
| 23:44.27 | rahul | songpenguin: not quite |
| 23:44.32 | rahul | dcooper: 0 |
| 23:44.36 | dondelelcaro | dcooper: one, none, or all. depends on how many you want to download. |
| 23:44.37 | Recon1 | Songpenguin i dont think so |
| 23:44.37 | bowman | dcooper: the first |
| 23:44.43 | ljlane | tarzeau, see my last comment to bob2 |
| 23:44.50 | tarzeau | ljlane: yep i've seen it |
| 23:45.02 | songpenguin | rahul: Recon1: Ill go try it (nothing better to do) |
| 23:45.04 | dcooper | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 23:45.09 | bob2 | ljlane: ah |
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| 23:46.08 | Recon1 | uh oh |
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| 23:46.50 | Recon1 | welcome back songpenguin |
| 23:46.59 | Recon1 | songpenguin: what happened? |
| 23:47.09 | songpenguin | Recon1: nothing |
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| 23:47.31 | songpenguin | Recon1: kill has asome safeguards in place or else init is respawning |
| 23:47.40 | Recon1 | i'll try it after my gnome download is done |
| 23:47.50 | songpenguin | Recon1: k |
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| 23:48.14 | Recon1 | i tried it 1 time and i crashed......but that was on a Nokia firewall BSD |
| 23:48.36 | songpenguin | Recon1: probly a safeguard in kill |
| 23:48.46 | Recon1 | u tried the process number? |
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| 23:48.55 | songpenguin | Recon1: I always use the ps |
| 23:48.59 | Recon1 | ok |
| 23:49.08 | Recon1 | i'm a newb...so |
| 23:49.45 | bob2 | why would you ever kill init? |
| 23:49.48 | Recon1 | i have <50 hours in *nix |
| 23:49.54 | bob2 | you shouldn't even need to HUP it. |
| 23:49.57 | Recon1 | bob2: good question |
| 23:50.08 | Recon1 | bob2: what happens when u kill init? |
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| 23:50.24 | songpenguin | Recon1: linux kill only acceps ps numbers (I don't think it takes names because more than one ps can have the same name |
| 23:50.26 | R0UTE-cl | anyone know the executable name for the KDE control center ? |
| 23:50.30 | bob2 | let's see. |
| 23:50.32 | maher | bob2: what do you do when things are respawning too fast? |
| 23:50.33 | bob2 | roukcontrol |
| 23:50.34 | sone | what about killall? |
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| 23:50.43 | Recon1 | songpenguin: oh, ok....thanks |
| 23:50.46 | bob2 | maher: wait 10 seconds for init to nuke them for you. |
| 23:50.48 | snoke | what is correct root device in 2.6.0 if it in 2.4.22 /dev/ataraid/d0p5 ? |
| 23:50.57 | bob2 | maher: if you're going to kill init, you might as well just hit the power switch. |
| 23:50.58 | songpenguin | bob2: to see what happens |
| 23:51.15 | rahul | snoke: look under /dev/disks/ |
| 23:51.23 | rahul | snoke: ls -l, specifically |
| 23:51.34 | maher | bob2: i'm getting init: Id "8" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes from my chroot for some reason |
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| 23:51.49 | songpenguin | wtf! I must have 2 dozen "psi" running |
| 23:51.53 | R0UTE-cl | bob2: cheers |
| 23:52.09 | Caspan | how can i tell what is using my connection. I can see internet traffic but i dont know what it is? |
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| 23:52.15 | bob2 | maher: that means the process on tty8 was starting up and dying really quickly, so init killed it hard to stop it DOS'ing you. |
| 23:52.22 | bowman | Caspan: netstat |
| 23:52.23 | bob2 | Caspan: "netstat -puant" |
| 23:52.26 | snoke | rahul: but what i give root= param to get kernel to get it boot first ? |
| 23:52.26 | bob2 | Caspan: as root |
| 23:52.29 | cafuego | rahul: If you use devfs in 2.6.x you're a bad BAD person. |
| 23:52.31 | bob2 | songpenguin: threads. |
| 23:52.48 | maher | bob2: i kinda guessed that - do you know why that might be happening? |
| 23:52.50 | rahul | snoke: dunno heh |
| 23:52.53 | rahul | cafuego: psht |
| 23:53.01 | songpenguin | bob2: <defunct> threads |
| 23:53.06 | bob2 | maher: usually means it's misconfigured. whay should it be? |
| 23:53.06 | pieceofcake | why |
| 23:53.13 | snoke | rahul: damn |
| 23:53.20 | bob2 | songpenguin: bug in psi then. or the kernekl, but that's unlikely. |
| 23:53.24 | rahul | cafuego: I can't be bothered to chase down which devices are real and which don't exist |
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| 23:53.34 | bob2 | rahul: udev!!1111111 |
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| 23:53.43 | nt0m1 | hi |
| 23:53.57 | songpenguin | bob2: restarted it and now theres only one |
| 23:54.02 | bob2 | songpenguin: Recon1 under UML it doesn't die at all. |
| 23:54.32 | rahul | bob2: is it documented? |
| 23:54.34 | cafuego | rahul: ataraid got ripped from 2.6 afaik, the consensur is to not be a retard and use md... and devfs is clearly marked as deprecated. |
| 23:54.45 | maher | bob2: i have a chroot running that I can log into on 8 a la the chroot howto - i haven't chnaged anything recently afaik |
| 23:54.47 | songpenguin | bob2: you mean init does'nt die under UML? |
| 23:55.06 | rahul | cafuego: makes sense. and I know it's deprecated, but I like it :) |
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| 23:55.10 | bob2 | rahul: dunno. it's the One True Way to do a non-satic /dev now, though. |
| 23:55.13 | cafuego | rahul: I suyppose in the above case it's RTFM all over again ;-) |
| 23:55.20 | bob2 | songpenguin: yes. nothing happens, afaict. |
| 23:55.24 | rahul | cafuego: wtfm? |
| 23:55.32 | bob2 | maher: anything in syslog? |
| 23:55.36 | cafuego | rahul: kernel docs |
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| 23:55.53 | songpenguin | the problem with chroot is that it was desighned as a testing enviornment. what we need is a chroot for security |
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| 23:56.00 | cafuego | rahul: Or perhaps "if it wasn't broken, why did you try to fix it?" |
| 23:56.06 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: how did you figure that one? |
| 23:56.29 | maher | bob2: Jan 4 15:51:43 cyclotomic init: Id "8" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes <-- lots of these |
| 23:56.29 | nt0m1 | can u tell me somebody, which kernel supports nforce chipset? |
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| 23:56.32 | rahul | cafuego: devfs wasn't broken |
| 23:56.40 | thomas_adam | init 8? |
| 23:56.41 | Recon1 | (more or less) |
| 23:56.43 | cafuego | rahul: No, just wrong <heh> |
| 23:56.46 | maher | bob2: in fact when i log out on console the new prompt doesn't appear |
| 23:56.47 | rahul | maher: fix whatever you have init running on tty8 |
| 23:56.50 | thomas_adam | maher: man 5 inittab |
| 23:57.03 | rahul | cafuego: shrug. it's been working fine for me for a while now. |
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| 23:57.35 | maher | i have 8:23:respawn:chroot /mnt/unstable/ /sbin/getty 38400 tty8 in /etc/inittab |
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| 23:57.44 | thomas_adam | maher: why? |
| 23:57.48 | cafuego | rahul: I've been using it for over a year on one of the boxes but frankly I *HATE* the device names and requiring debfsd to set up links seems an ugly hack. |
| 23:58.01 | rahul | maher: well, it's dying :) |
| 23:58.01 | maher | thomas_adam: so i can log into my unstable chroot on console |
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| 23:58.03 | bob2 | nt0m1: none, very well. use the latest 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. |
| 23:58.12 | Recon1 | there's copies of Debian 3.0 for sale on Ebay |
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| 23:58.22 | cafuego | maher: AT least provide the full path to chroot |
| 23:58.22 | rahul | cafuego: shrug, it makes sense to me |
| 23:58.27 | Recon1 | i got 1 today |
| 23:58.35 | rahul | ah, right. full path. |
| 23:58.47 | cafuego | Recon1: There's copies of debian 3 for downlaod on *everywhere* |
| 23:58.47 | Recon1 | installed it on my i687 |
| 23:59.03 | nt0m1 | bob2: i`ve just tried to compile 2.6.0 kernel... but i make something wrong... it doesnt detected my ethernet card |
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| 23:59.09 | rahul | you don't even need a copy of debian 3 to install it |
| 23:59.17 | nt0m1 | didnt detect ;-) |
| 23:59.31 | bowman | nt0m1: did you compile the correct module ;) |
| 23:59.33 | rahul | nt0m1: did you enable the nvnet driver? |
| 23:59.37 | Recon1 | minez is virgin 3.9 |
| 23:59.51 | drim | what the difference between chmod 777 and chmod 4777 |
| 23:59.53 | Recon1 | with debian double terbo |
| 23:59.55 | bob2 | nt0m1: haha. #nvidia |
| 23:59.58 | rahul | drim: "4" |
| 23:59.58 | maher | cafuego: not a bad idea... |
