| 00:00.00 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@164.125.64.51) |
| 00:00.02 | rahul | ~chmodhelp |
| 00:00.08 | | [chmodhelp] At a prompt, run "info chmod", then press the 'u' key twice, go down to "* File Permssions" and hit enter. Continue from there. |
| 00:00.44 | *** join/#debian ob1 (~ob1@213-193-169-195.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 00:00.46 | nt0m1 | okey... where can i find a manual of it? |
| 00:01.02 | pieceofcake | kernel 2.6 is auto modprobe.... |
| 00:01.44 | *** join/#debian SmileR_ (~smiler@c-31c370d5.026-7-6f72652.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 00:01.52 | *** join/#debian neekos_ (~john@12.203.8.67.cfl.rr.com) |
| 00:01.53 | *** join/#debian awoo (awoo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3865574.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:02.02 | X-Treme | is reboot runlevel 5 ? |
| 00:02.06 | neekos_ | how can i get lilo to list the os's on boot, instead of hittin alt, or control |
| 00:02.09 | *** join/#debian fflush (~lrf@200.97.69.204) |
| 00:02.11 | Recon1 | I just installed the new debian Pentium clock doubler so now i have a 7Ghz pentium DX2 |
| 00:02.12 | *** join/#debian [Outlaw] (~dave@dsl-203-113-235-55.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 00:02.13 | *** join/#debian nighter (~mikael@as1-2-1.far.s.bonet.se) |
| 00:02.14 | rahul | don't think that works any more... |
| 00:02.17 | rahul | X-Treme: 6 |
| 00:02.25 | Recon1 | all with apt-get! |
| 00:02.25 | rahul | neekos_: tab |
| 00:02.26 | X-Treme | ok thx |
| 00:02.33 | tem | drim: 4777 makes it setUID....if you don't know what that means, it's bad for security...don't do it unless you know why you need too...... |
| 00:02.33 | Recon1 | lol |
| 00:02.34 | rahul | neekos_: or tell it to show a menu |
| 00:02.41 | [Outlaw] | Guys, anyone know what's causing this "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" stuff? |
| 00:02.58 | *** join/#debian Drapo (Droopy@ip68-226-115-120.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:03.25 | nt0m1 | thx |
| 00:03.31 | *** join/#debian mikell (~mikell@69-161-69-17.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 00:03.34 | [Outlaw] | I'm getting it on all of my linux computers. :/ |
| 00:03.41 | *** part/#debian DeBLiN (Monteiro@217.129.23.111) |
| 00:03.55 | *** join/#debian enrico (~enrico@host115-215.pool62211.interbusiness.it) |
| 00:03.57 | Drapo | can someone help me getting started with linux ? |
| 00:04.10 | bztunk | argh... i should stop reading osnews and all the stuff about linux is not ready for the desktop |
| 00:04.16 | songpenguin | Drapo: sure |
| 00:04.17 | *** part/#debian tacocat (~tallison@dhcp024-208-242-024.twmi.rr.com) |
| 00:04.23 | *** join/#debian EduardoBastos (~Eduardo@200-203-057-136.pltce7002.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 00:04.24 | *** join/#debian cebesius (~miatapwn@user-0c8hoq2.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:04.52 | Drapo | i want a good distribution to get started |
| 00:05.00 | Drapo | wich one do you guys recomend ? |
| 00:05.02 | _mechanix | [Outlaw] your login stuff isn't starting ..making that it keeps spawning LOGIN .... so much spawning is considered a issue with security/DoS and init disables login spawning for 5 minutes |
| 00:05.10 | songpenguin | Drapo: debian |
| 00:05.12 | *** join/#debian local_X (~local_X@Bryans.msns.sm.ptd.net) |
| 00:05.19 | trovador | i'm trying to make a little program to make an .mpeg movie from a series of .jpg (and other format) images in a slideshow fasion.. anyone heard of similar projects or dones something similar? |
| 00:05.27 | [Outlaw] | Is it a reported problem in Unstable? |
| 00:05.29 | _mechanix | [Outlaw] Check you login system (/etc/passwd ... /etc/shadow ... binaries about) |
| 00:05.32 | rahul | Drapo: windows xp |
| 00:05.43 | Drapo | xD |
| 00:05.43 | [Outlaw] | It seems strange that each Debian machine I'm using has this problem. |
| 00:05.51 | songpenguin | rahul: hahaha HA |
| 00:06.01 | rahul | songpenguin: if he has to ask... |
| 00:06.03 | trovador | _mechanix: no, chile. |
| 00:06.05 | Drapo | yeah i'm downloading debian but it's like 8 cd's isn't ? |
| 00:06.08 | cebesius | I think the latest release of apache in debian unstable broke something on my server. |
| 00:06.08 | pieceofcake | hehehe ... I am just finished with compiling the kernel 2.6 |
| 00:06.09 | tarzeau | trovador: imagemagick ? film gimp? transcode ? |
| 00:06.11 | rahul | Drapo: no, it's 0 cds |
| 00:06.12 | [Outlaw] | I can log in fine over SSH |
| 00:06.17 | *** join/#debian mike__ (~mike@pcp03570354pcs.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:06.19 | bztunk | trovador: mencoder can.. frame by frame, donno about slideshow |
| 00:06.20 | Drapo | what |
| 00:06.20 | songpenguin | Drapo: and you only need the first :-) |
| 00:06.26 | Drapo | wtf |
| 00:06.28 | rahul | songpenguin: you don't need any |
| 00:06.29 | zwdavid_ | will debian use lk 2.6 in the next version? |
| 00:06.32 | Drapo | seriusly |
| 00:06.36 | cebesius | Something SSL related maybe |
| 00:06.42 | songpenguin | rahul: one is nice |
| 00:06.42 | trovador | tarzeau: havn't checked film gimp.. |
| 00:06.47 | rahul | zwdavid_: that would delay the release by another year |
| 00:06.47 | bztunk | Drapo: download the net install |
| 00:06.52 | Drapo | from were? |
| 00:06.53 | rahul | songpenguin: nah, why bother? |
| 00:06.58 | Drapo | by ftp server or what ? |
| 00:07.12 | rahul | Drapo: from debian. have you bothered going to www.debian.org and reading the OBVIOUS doc? |
| 00:07.14 | songpenguin | Drapo: cd's 2-7 are all full of stuff that you don't need for a nice graphical install |
| 00:07.16 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:07.17 | *** part/#debian tarzeau (~tarzeau@80-219-76-16.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 00:07.18 | mike__ | hi, im trying to burn some mp3's with k3b and its not working saying its unsupported format also the setup of k3b does not work. im running unstable |
| 00:07.18 | calamari_ | hi |
| 00:07.24 | trovador | bztunk: yeah, there are several that do that.. spoecially for composing renderings... i'm guessing i'd have to program the slideshow part.. |
| 00:07.26 | LonelyOne | Drapo: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:07.32 | thomas_adam | mike__: create the ISO beforehand? |
| 00:07.41 | *** join/#debian local_X (~local_X@Bryans.msns.sm.ptd.net) |
| 00:07.47 | Drapo | yeah i been reading the instalation form that page |
| 00:07.51 | bztunk | trovador: do you want to make a vcd? |
| 00:07.56 | mike__ | thomas_adam, i dont know what u mean i go to the audio project and drag some mp3's over |
| 00:08.02 | [Outlaw] | And gdm isn't starting. Fucking hell. |
| 00:08.02 | Drapo | and yea i only downloaded 1 cd |
| 00:08.08 | trovador | bztunk: yup |
| 00:08.09 | rahul | Drapo: and it gives you a half-dozen ways to get into the install |
| 00:08.11 | thomas_adam | oh, brother.... |
| 00:08.28 | rahul | Drapo: if you already have the 1st cd, just use that and a network source to get the rest of the packages. |
| 00:08.36 | bztunk | trovador: then, hum i know ahead nero can do this easely *ashamed* |
| 00:08.41 | Drapo | ok sound cool |
| 00:08.42 | songpenguin | Drapo: heres a worning tho... download knoppix linux for emergencies if you only have one coputer |
| 00:08.50 | *** join/#debian exobyte (~exobyte@66.242.166.135) |
| 00:08.54 | rahul | songpenguin: or download debian for emergencies |
| 00:08.59 | exobyte | What does this error mean? Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 00:09.04 | Drapo | i have a separetly HD for linux |
| 00:09.18 | rahul | exobyte: kernel and pppd are mismatched |
| 00:09.27 | [Outlaw] | Now what would cause this? |
| 00:09.28 | trovador | bztunk: cool, any idea how it works? does it fade in and out the images? or just skips through at constant intervals? |
| 00:09.31 | *** join/#debian Zarla (~fmb@gwenola.sceen.net) |
| 00:09.35 | [Outlaw] | gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Res |
| 00:09.36 | [Outlaw] | tarting :0 |
| 00:09.40 | rahul | [Outlaw]: 9999999999 things |
| 00:09.49 | songpenguin | rahul: If you piddle around with the computer like I do you tend to brak it when you need it most |
| 00:09.51 | bztunk | trovador: you press next for the next image |
| 00:09.55 | [Outlaw] | Christ... it was all ok until I dist upgraded yesterday. |
| 00:09.56 | thomas_adam | ~tell udo about away |
| 00:09.57 | rahul | [Outlaw]: X display managers are very easy to break. |
| 00:10.09 | bztunk | trovador: no fadeout, donno if it's configurable |
| 00:10.20 | songpenguin | rahul: not so much now. but as a newb it happened alot |
| 00:10.26 | rahul | songpenguin: shrug. I've never actually needed a proper rescue disk. |
| 00:10.34 | trovador | bztunk: hmm.. that's an option |
| 00:10.37 | Drapo | What type of partition does debian needs ? |
| 00:10.47 | thomas_adam | Drapo: ext2/3 |
| 00:10.52 | thomas_adam | Drapo: usually |
| 00:10.53 | *** join/#debian pmiller9 (~paul@12-221-72-54.client.insightBB.com) |
| 00:10.58 | rahul | Drapo: linux native |
| 00:11.01 | trovador | bztunk: i guess if you have a track per image that would be the way.. but then i couldn't have background music! ;) |
| 00:11.03 | bztunk | trovador: i know you can use vcdtools to make the vcd... but you still need to convert the jpgs |
| 00:11.04 | thomas_adam | Drapo: but your question is poorly phrased |
| 00:11.09 | exobyte | rahul: could this be preventing me from connectin? |
| 00:11.09 | Drapo | i know |
| 00:11.10 | rahul | Drapo: which is what it'll be if you don't change it |
| 00:11.13 | [Outlaw] | Did Debian Unstable break recently? First the Init Respawning thing, now this... |
| 00:11.15 | rahul | exobyte: well, duh |
| 00:11.17 | *** join/#debian slk (~slk@168-226-168-163.speedy.com.ar) |
| 00:11.23 | songpenguin | rahul: I never realy NEED it, exept when you are experementing with a part of the computer right before a report is due |
| 00:11.25 | rahul | [Outlaw]: "recently"? HAHAHA |
| 00:11.25 | bztunk | trovador: hum, if you want backround music, forget about it hehe |
| 00:11.33 | exobyte | rahul: lol. Ok- so where do I get the version of pppd for 2.4.23 |
| 00:11.36 | Drapo | but partition magic doesn't has that format |
| 00:11.41 | [Outlaw] | Funny. |
| 00:11.41 | rahul | songpenguin: shrug. if you say so :P |
| 00:11.44 | thomas_adam | Drapo: use cfdisk |
| 00:11.51 | rahul | exobyte: dunno... check the kernel's CHANGES doc |
| 00:12.05 | *** join/#debian India (foo@61.16.178.245) |
| 00:12.07 | songpenguin | Drapo: you can partition it durring install |
| 00:12.09 | *** join/#debian peperdghc (~omega@2001:730:11:0:0:0:1:57d) |
| 00:12.09 | udo | thomas_adam: sorry everybody, just getting used to the channel rules |
| 00:12.09 | trovador | bztunk: yeah, but i'm guessing the next option is easier.. so basically all i need is a script to convert the .jpegs into mpeg stills.. |
| 00:12.11 | rahul | Drapo: why are you using that retarded app instead of linux? |
| 00:12.15 | Drapo | ok i think the 1st cd has an fdisk or something to format it right ? |
| 00:12.19 | thomas_adam | udo: that's ok. |
| 00:12.32 | exobyte | rahul: heh. ok. How can I determine which kernel it _is_ for? |
| 00:12.33 | Drapo | what app ? |
| 00:12.38 | *** part/#debian slk (~slk@168-226-168-163.speedy.com.ar) |
| 00:12.40 | songpenguin | Drapo: yeah, but it's nothing like windows fdisk, read the instructins |
| 00:12.41 | thomas_adam | Drapo: cfdisk |
| 00:12.46 | Justin_ | !tell Drapo about ig |
| 00:12.51 | bowman | is pppd dependent on certain kernel versions? that sounds new to me |
| 00:12.51 | bob2 | beta3: ping? |
| 00:12.57 | thomas_adam | bob2: pongg |
| 00:13.04 | bztunk | trovador: yeah. but i don't know how it's done in linux.. never tried :D i guess mencoder can do it |
| 00:13.08 | sone | what app can I use as a serial term? |
| 00:13.08 | songpenguin | thomas_adam: I always liked plain old fdisk better |
| 00:13.13 | bob2 | ~tell thomas_adam about people's names being different for a good reasno |
| 00:13.16 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: heh, indeed. |
| 00:13.19 | bob2 | sone: minicom |
| 00:13.22 | *** join/#debian villan_ (~villan@pool-141-154-152-38.wma.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:13.24 | [Outlaw] | What the |
| 00:13.25 | rahul | exobyte: what is for? |
| 00:13.26 | [Outlaw] | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 00:13.31 | thomas_adam | bob2: :p |
| 00:13.34 | exobyte | bowman: that was one explanation I got for this error: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 00:13.36 | [Outlaw] | USB is working though! |
| 00:13.37 | thomas_adam | [Outlaw]: sigh |
| 00:13.39 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: you didn't include USB HID support in your kernel. |
| 00:13.43 | [Outlaw] | I haven't even TOUCHED it. |
| 00:13.45 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: or you don't have hotplug installed. |
| 00:13.45 | [Outlaw] | Yes, I did. |
| 00:13.47 | rahul | ~penixstrike [Outlaw] |
| 00:13.50 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking [Outlaw] to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:13.50 | exobyte | rahul: pppd |
| 00:13.50 | thomas_adam | [Outlaw]: lsmod |
| 00:13.51 | *** part/#debian asac (~alex@c162072.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 00:13.52 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: lsmod | grep hid |
| 00:14.06 | rahul | exobyte: well, read the kernel's changes doc for the version you have and it'll say which version of pppd it needs |
| 00:14.07 | *** join/#debian Esus (foobar@pcp03455171pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 00:14.11 | trovador | bztunk: gonna check, but if not there's mpeg2enc and imagemagick might have something.. i'll tell you if i get it all to work.. |
| 00:14.12 | sone | thanks, bob |
| 00:14.13 | [Outlaw] | I'm telling you, my system WAS working until I dist upgraded yesterday. |
| 00:14.15 | [Outlaw] | input 3392 0 [hid usbmouse keybdev usbkbd] |
| 00:14.16 | rahul | Justin_: eeeewww |
| 00:14.33 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: well, if you haven't changed the kernel, it means the module isn't loaded. |
| 00:14.45 | thomas_adam | [Outlaw]: modprobe usb_hci |
| 00:14.50 | bowman | exobyte: have you fetched the newest packages yet? |
| 00:15.09 | exobyte | bowman: nah- but it looks like I need to |
| 00:15.19 | bowman | exobyte: what keeps you from doing it ;) |
| 00:15.19 | bztunk | trovador: i'm sure they do, but i never tried so i can't tell you :D |
| 00:15.37 | bowman | exobyte: testing, unstable? or woody? |
| 00:15.39 | rahul | Justin_: why did you ignore the note before? :P |
| 00:15.52 | [Outlaw] | I've got usb-ohci and ehci-hcd loaded. |
| 00:15.54 | thomas_adam | rahul: he's like that ;) |
| 00:15.56 | Justin_ | rahul: what note? |
| 00:15.59 | rahul | bob2: or he's not using devfs :) |
| 00:16.02 | *** join/#debian normalperson (normalpers@user-0c8gj4g.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:16.07 | rahul | Justin_: oh, so you FORGOT? |
| 00:16.10 | *** join/#debian VOYAGER (~VOYAGER@alb-24-195-202-143.nycap.rr.com) |
| 00:16.15 | rahul | Justin_: what kind of excuse is that? |
| 00:16.21 | rahul | @penixstrike Justin_ |
| 00:16.23 | ravenbird | Stop using this. |
| 00:16.35 | Justin_ | well, I think pump is to blame |
| 00:16.35 | [Outlaw] | Also, usbmouse, hid, input... |
| 00:16.35 | bob2 | rahul: hah. |
| 00:16.38 | [Outlaw] | Like I sad. |
| 00:16.44 | Justin_ | my suns are still on, but my desktop got knocked offline |
| 00:16.50 | [Outlaw] | Something must've fucked itself in the dist upgrade. |
| 00:16.58 | *** join/#debian buckwad (~damon@3ffe:bc0:85f:2:0:0:0:1) |
| 00:17.23 | thomas_adam | [Outlaw]: use gpm to act as a repeater. Run gpmconfig to set the delay. Then run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and change the mouse input to /dev/gpmdata. |
| 00:17.25 | bowman | [Outlaw], are you sure that the /dev entries are still there? |
| 00:17.52 | *** join/#debian Fulcrum99 (~rob@sdn-ap-005scfairP0473.dialsprint.net) |
| 00:17.57 | [Outlaw] | [root@athlon input]# ls |grep mice |
| 00:17.57 | [Outlaw] | mice |
| 00:18.11 | thomas_adam | [Outlaw]: ???? |
| 00:18.17 | [Outlaw] | So yes, it is still there. |
| 00:18.20 | [Outlaw] | Bleh. |
| 00:18.25 | [Outlaw] | Fuck this. I'm going to reinstall and stick to testing. |
| 00:18.30 | thomas_adam | ROFL |
| 00:18.33 | Fulcrum99 | Should /etc/network/interfaces not be world-readable, or is there somewhere else that I should put the WEP key for interface wlan0? |
| 00:18.33 | bowman | lol |
| 00:18.37 | bob2 | hm |
| 00:18.41 | bob2 | he lives in my town. |
| 00:18.44 | thomas_adam | how will that solve anything? |
| 00:18.44 | Justin_ | cluebies heh |
| 00:19.02 | tessier_ | Fulcrum99: I installed the wlan-ng debs and it calls everything eth1 not wlan0 like it did in RedHat. I wonder why. |
| 00:19.10 | rahul | Justin_: you idiot. pump is ALWAYS to blame. |
| 00:19.23 | Justin_ | Fulcrum99: wlan_ng_keyfile /root/wepkey |
| 00:19.36 | rahul | bob2: go to his home and cluebat him |
| 00:19.46 | Fulcrum99 | tessier_, I think wlan0 is a HostAP thing (I'm using hostap) |
| 00:19.46 | Justin_ | rahul: might have been mythtv :-) |
| 00:20.07 | tessier_ | Fulcrum99: Ah...maybe I should just wlan-ng and use hostap. Is hostap better? |
| 00:20.10 | rahul | Justin_: pump is on your computer, so it's to blame. |
| 00:20.14 | tessier_ | Because wlan-ng isn't working out well at all. |
| 00:20.28 | *** join/#debian louissypher (mosten@nwtn-003-040.dialup.iowatelecom.net) |
| 00:20.32 | *** join/#debian smacnay (~smacnay@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3567120.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:20.33 | Fulcrum99 | tessier_, HostAP lets you use the card as an access point |
| 00:20.37 | louissypher | anyone here work for an ISP? |
| 00:20.41 | *** join/#debian GheRivero (~ghe@cable208a127.usuarios.retecal.es) |
| 00:20.55 | *** join/#debian rovragge (rr@mima.x.se) |
| 00:21.00 | tessier_ | Fulcrum99: Will it also let me use the card as a client and do normal wifi stuff and connect to my already existing ap? |
| 00:21.12 | Justin_ | !tell louissypher about polls |
| 00:21.12 | udo | how can I interact wiht the bots? any info page? |
| 00:21.23 | Justin_ | udo: ask them for help |
| 00:21.23 | thomas_adam | udo: /msg them |
| 00:21.24 | Fulcrum99 | tessier_, yes |
| 00:21.26 | petemc | udo: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:21.27 | rovragge | can you use lvm1.x with kernel 2.6 without upgrading to lvm2? |
| 00:21.30 | *** part/#debian VOYAGER (~VOYAGER@alb-24-195-202-143.nycap.rr.com) |
| 00:21.35 | tessier_ | Fulcrum99: Cool, I'll give that a try then. |
| 00:21.40 | thomas_adam | udo: it is in /topic |
| 00:22.10 | udo | txn |
| 00:22.10 | louissypher | What do those of you that work for ISP's use for shared storage? NFS, Clustering software etc. |
| 00:22.19 | Fulcrum99 | Justin_, can /root/wepkey not be world-readable while /etc/network/interfaces is? (In other words, whatever process reads /etc/wepkey has UID 0 right?) |
| 00:22.39 | Justin_ | Fulcrum99: uh huh |
| 00:23.05 | smacnay | well, foomatic-filters install script has a bug. |
| 00:23.32 | *** join/#debian mike__ (~mike@pcp03570354pcs.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:23.36 | songpenguin | Justin_: so what stops people from feeding apt bad info |
| 00:23.36 | udo | Justin_ thomas_adam petemc tnx but I'd like sth more explicit |
| 00:23.57 | louissypher | can anyone point me to the advisory for the 2.4.x kernel mentioned in the topic? |
| 00:23.59 | thomas_adam | udo: /msg apt how are you? |
| 00:24.19 | Fulcrum99 | smacnay, to what extent? |
| 00:24.50 | mike__ | hi, kdm fails to upgrade on my unstable system it says the postinstall script is failing is there a way i can fix it? |
| 00:25.00 | *** join/#debian villan__ (~villan@pool-141-154-186-19.wma.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:25.03 | *** join/#debian Misirlou (~aew@c-24-125-118-27.va.client2.attbi.com) |
| 00:25.05 | thomas_adam | mike__: edit the script |
| 00:25.06 | Justin_ | songpenguin: nothing |
| 00:25.09 | udo | tnx thomas_adam |
| 00:25.20 | thomas_adam | udo: that was just an example... |
| 00:25.22 | thomas_adam | ~hello |
| 00:25.26 | | Howdy Bub |
| 00:25.26 | *** join/#debian dud- (dud@pppoe0020.grp.centurytel.net) |
| 00:25.35 | thomas_adam | ~tell udo about help |
| 00:25.43 | songpenguin | Justin_: so I guess someone has to maintain it and clean out all the garbage |
| 00:25.45 | *** join/#debian Forcemstr (~jon@p508929A5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:25.54 | Justin_ | udo: uh, it doesn't get any more explicit then that |
| 00:25.59 | thomas_adam | I believe jm_ is the maintainer of it? |
| 00:26.06 | mike__ | thomas_adam, i would know know what to edit or where to start is there a better way? |
| 00:26.15 | *** join/#debian tarzeau (~tarzeau@80-219-76-16.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 00:26.15 | *** join/#debian wacko_- (wacko_-@cs6625201-79.austin.rr.com) |
| 00:26.29 | thomas_adam | mike__: to what? |
| 00:26.32 | Justin_ | !tell mike__ about bts |
| 00:26.48 | udo | tnx you indeed |
| 00:27.00 | *** join/#debian dman13 (~dman13@roc-66-66-61-253.rochester.rr.com) |
| 00:27.12 | mike__ | thomas_adam, fix the kdm package so it installs/upgrades |
| 00:27.22 | mike__ | Justin_, i think there is already a bug submitted |
| 00:27.26 | dman13 | is anyone willing to help with a "No such device or address" error loading the driver for an ISA PnP card? |
| 00:27.27 | thomas_adam | mike__: as Justin_ says, check the bug tracking system |
| 00:27.55 | thomas_adam | dman13: pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf && $EDITOR /etc/isapnp.conf |
| 00:28.07 | thomas_adam | + exec |
| 00:28.10 | udo | ~hi |
| 00:28.12 | | hello, udo |
| 00:28.14 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~martin@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:8b7) |
| 00:28.25 | thomas_adam | udo: best you /msg apt though. |
| 00:28.40 | udo | ok |
| 00:28.40 | dman13 | thomas_adam: :-). That'd be nice, but the sarge installer doesn't have pnpdump or isapnp. However, /proc/isapnp tells me the IO and IRQ of the ne-compatible card |
| 00:28.43 | *** join/#debian heelrod (~heelrod@cs68201187-231.austin.rr.com) |
| 00:29.05 | dman13 | thomas_adam: I tried 'insmod ne io=0x300 irq=3' (as per /proc/isapnp) but I get the above "no such device" message |
| 00:29.15 | udo | ~tell udo inet |
| 00:29.33 | *** join/#debian uto (~uto@207-41.ri.cgocable.ca) |
| 00:29.33 | Fulcrum99 | Justin_, any knowledge of a keyfile directive for hostap? |
| 00:29.43 | thomas_adam | dman13: apt-get install isatools |
| 00:29.52 | rahul | dman13: you don't WANT pnpdump or isapnp if you have kernel isapnp |
| 00:29.57 | rahul | !penixstrike thomas_adam |
| 00:29.58 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 00:30.04 | thomas_adam | rahul: I never assume |
| 00:30.05 | Justin_ | Fulcrum99: that should work |
| 00:30.06 | rahul | thomas_adam: that will make it IMPOSSIBLE for him to use pnp devices |
| 00:30.12 | uto | in which file do I specify to load ALSA sound modules at the bootup? |
| 00:30.12 | *** part/#debian Xeper (~omega@2001:730:11:0:0:0:1:57d) |
| 00:30.17 | dman13 | thomas_adam: That'd be great, if I could just get the NIC recognized so the installer can proceed and I have apt :-D |
| 00:30.18 | exobyte | I'm trying to get a more recent version of ppp. I added a souce to sources.list, did apt-get update, but apt-get install isn't seeing the new version |
| 00:30.21 | rahul | thomas_adam: he has it, as he has it loaded |
| 00:30.23 | Justin_ | uto: install alsa-base |
| 00:30.29 | dman13 | rahul: ok, that makes sense |
| 00:30.43 | dman13 | rahul: now how do I get the card to exist so networking (TCP/IP) works? |
| 00:30.56 | uto | Justin_ my alsa drivers works with a modprobe snd-emu10k1, I just want to know how to auto load this modules at the startup? |
| 00:31.04 | Justin_ | uto: install alsa-base |
| 00:31.12 | thomas_adam | uto: add it to /etc/modules |
| 00:31.12 | rahul | dman13: load the driver for it |
| 00:31.20 | Kraig | dma13: modprobe it |
| 00:31.20 | uto | thomas_adam add what |
| 00:31.24 | thomas_adam | uto: then run "update-modules" |
| 00:31.46 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 00:31.47 | exobyte | poor Justin_ |
| 00:31.47 | uto | thomas_adam ho ok...I have to run update-modules |
| 00:31.51 | thomas_adam | not my day today |
| 00:31.51 | rahul | @penixstirke thomas_adam and Kraig |
| 00:32.02 | dman13 | rahul: ok, modprobe executes without error and the module is loaded, |
| 00:32.05 | dman13 | rahul: however I can't use the network |
| 00:32.14 | thomas_adam | uto: forget /etc/modules, it is not related to your problem |
| 00:32.15 | Kraig | rahul: what are you trying to do man? |
| 00:32.16 | tarzeau | a lightning in the shape of a large dildo strikes thomas_adam and Kraig |
| 00:32.16 | *** join/#debian caci (~caci@pD902AA36.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:32.18 | rahul | dman13: it doesn't know about any network. ifconfig -a |
| 00:32.29 | *** join/#debian jono (~Snak@82-37-194-90.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:32.37 | rahul | Kraig: stop you from misleading the person who wants help |
| 00:32.44 | *** join/#debian muncc2beo (pmcdonnell@c-24-14-177-149.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:32.47 | *** join/#debian ugarit (~ugarit@208-59-120-153.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:32.49 | *** join/#debian ^Leo (~leo@168-226-67-120.speedy.com.ar) |
| 00:32.49 | rahul | thomas_adam: it's related, but it's the wrong solution |
| 00:33.02 | Kraig | dam13: edit the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:33.02 | muncc2beo | The "arp" program does not return the correct mac addr of my NIC. Any ideas why? |
| 00:33.05 | uto | hey I just want to load the 'snd-emu10k1' on my debian...? |
| 00:33.13 | Kraig | dam13: or do it with ifconfig if you want |
| 00:33.15 | uto | at the bootup, that's it |
| 00:33.15 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: someone changed it with ifconfig |
| 00:33.19 | thomas_adam | muncc2beo: bad cache? |
| 00:33.27 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: or someone exchanged your nic while you were away |
| 00:33.28 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: arp' |
| 00:33.36 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: yes i know what is arp |
| 00:33.47 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: arp reports it different than ifconfig |
| 00:33.55 | muncc2beo | sorry, I accidently hit enter, tarzeau |
| 00:33.58 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: oh:.. can you show the full arp output? |
| 00:34.11 | muncc2beo | pmcdonnell@localhost:~/projects/addnode$ /sbin/arp |
| 00:34.11 | muncc2beo | Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface |
| 00:34.11 | muncc2beo | c-24-14-177-1.client.co ether 00:50:57:00:EF:EF C eth0 |
| 00:34.13 | dman13 | rahul: yes. Here's what I did before, before I tried using insmod directly. I tried the DHCP option in the installer, and that failed. I then tried the static option and set everything correctly, but that reports a failure to contact anything. The activitly LED on the switch does not blink even while trying to send data |
| 00:34.16 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: and the mac address of your card too? |
| 00:34.35 | uto | hey I just want to load the 'snd-emu10k1' on my debian, what should I do? |
| 00:34.37 | muncc2beo | ifconfig says, 00:07:95:F4:6B:1C |
| 00:34.41 | Justin_ | uto: install alsa-base!!! |
| 00:34.58 | uto | Justin_ alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 00:35.00 | uto | Justin_ next |
| 00:35.13 | Justin_ | uto: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 00:35.14 | Justin_ | dumbass |
| 00:35.24 | *** join/#debian Unfrgiven (~ankur@adsl-2-243.NSW.dft.com.au) |
| 00:35.27 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: arp -n only ip address please |
| 00:35.31 | uto | it's already configured and installed |
| 00:35.33 | uto | dumbass |
| 00:35.35 | *** join/#debian shob (~shobhanb@adsl-63-205-46-213.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 00:35.39 | LonelyOne | calm down gentlemen |
| 00:35.55 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: arp only shown that single entry? |
| 00:36.00 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: yes |
| 00:36.00 | Justin_ | uto: enjoy your broken alsa install |
| 00:36.02 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: what does /etc/ethers say? |
| 00:36.05 | songpenguin | Justin_: prehaps he doesnt know. give him a chance will ya. it's people like oyu who turn people away from linux |
| 00:36.23 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: cat: /etc/ethers: No such file or directory |
| 00:36.23 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: and you have other machines in the network which you can't communicate with? do other people have access to your machine or network? |
| 00:36.30 | *** join/#debian splodge2003 (~chatzilla@d54-ds0-mel.alphalink.com.au) |
| 00:36.34 | splodge2003 | Hello |
| 00:36.51 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: A perl module I'm trying to use uses ARP to determine the machine's mac addr. I'm not having any network trouble. |
| 00:37.04 | Justin_ | songpenguin: I suppose you giving out incorrect advice to every person you talk to is a great improvement |
| 00:37.19 | splodge2003 | I just upgraded some files from unstable. apt-get wigs out at the last moment on the package libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb. It says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code" |
| 00:37.44 | dman13 | rahul: any ideas? |
| 00:37.55 | rahul | dman13: use modprobe |
| 00:38.02 | Justin_ | !tell splodge2003 about bts |
| 00:38.04 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: did you say you wanted to see something from arp -n? |
| 00:38.10 | rahul | dman13: ifconfig -a tells you if the interface is detected |
| 00:38.11 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: the ip address |
| 00:38.18 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: does it match with ifconfig eth0 ? |
| 00:38.22 | dman13 | rahul: I did that. Then I statically configured the interface. I have no connectivity, though. |
| 00:38.25 | rahul | dman13: then use /etc/network/interfaces to set up the parameters for the interface |
| 00:38.30 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: 24.14.177.1 |
| 00:38.40 | dman13 | rahul: ifconfig -a reports eth0, and gives the right address, etc., after configuration |
| 00:38.45 | rahul | dman13: then use ifup <iface> to bring it up |
| 00:38.52 | *** join/#debian cyberkni (~cyberkni@bgp522110bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:38.58 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: no, the IP's don't match either |
| 00:39.05 | splodge2003 | error processing libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb (--unpack), trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h', which is also in package xlibs-dev. |
| 00:39.13 | Justin_ | !tell splodge2003 about bts |
| 00:39.14 | songpenguin | Justin_ is an arrogant prick |
| 00:39.16 | technoid_ | anyone running deb on a compaq presario 2100 series laptop? |
| 00:39.30 | tarzeau | technoid_: probably |
| 00:39.30 | Justin_ | songpenguin: and you're a stupid fuck, your point? |
| 00:39.36 | Unfrgiven | where can i find the pros and cons of lilo vs grub. what are the differences? why use one over the other? |
| 00:39.44 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: hey! |
| 00:39.46 | muncc2beo | Justin_: what's the deffinition of "a fuck"? |
| 00:39.49 | Justin_ | Unfrgiven: use whatever works. |
| 00:39.51 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: grub can boot the Hurd! |
| 00:39.57 | pole | i dont believe musik isnt in debian |
| 00:40.12 | tarzeau | pole: there is lotsa music in debian! |
| 00:40.24 | tarzeau | pole: try madplay or vorbis-tools |
| 00:40.35 | splodge2003 | everyone relax :) |
| 00:40.40 | pieceofcake | grub is better than lilo |
| 00:40.45 | pole | tarzeau: heh, madplay and vorbis-tools do not equate musik |
| 00:40.52 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: Does this problem with arp signify some larger overall problem, or should I ignore it and just have perl parse the output of ifconfig? |
| 00:40.53 | tarzeau | pole: oh is musik kde? |
| 00:40.58 | pole | pieceofcake: who would disagree with that? |
| 00:41.04 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: hey how r ya |
| 00:41.05 | tem | Unfrgiven: LILO=tried/true/stable GRUB=neat/new/purty |
| 00:41.05 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: i don't know, but it should not happen |
| 00:41.05 | Justin_ | tarzeau: what he said translates to "I believe musik is in debian" |
| 00:41.09 | pieceofcake | :-o |
| 00:41.15 | shob | grub doesn't (easily?) allow kernel parameters at boot time does it? |
| 00:41.20 | *** part/#debian heelrod (~heelrod@cs68201187-231.austin.rr.com) |
| 00:41.24 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: is there anything I can to correct it that you know of? |
| 00:41.31 | *** join/#debian heelrod_ (~heelrod@cs68201187-231.austin.rr.com) |
| 00:41.33 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: fine and you? |
| 00:41.36 | Unfrgiven | tem: any differences in features? know of any guide that can tell me how i can interchange between the two? i run lilo atm |
| 00:41.38 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: bugger all i don't know |
| 00:41.40 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: good good.... |
| 00:41.47 | muncc2beo | tarzeau: ok, thanks anyway |
| 00:41.54 | pole | Justin_: um, no, i said it is not in debian... at least i cant find it |
| 00:41.59 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: following the india vs australia cricket atm :) |
| 00:42.00 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: you just disappeared, i noticed the reboot code would only lock the machine, but not boot it |
| 00:42.15 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i don't know what is cricket, but i know what is crack |
| 00:42.19 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: yeah ive been away the last few days |
| 00:42.33 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: u dont know cricket? its a sport. where do u live? |
| 00:42.36 | *** join/#debian Kataklyzmo (~cataclism@200.72.157.176) |
| 00:42.49 | splodge2003 | Australia might lose |
| 00:42.54 | tem | Unfrgiven: I find GRUB to be more flexible/powerful.... |
| 00:42.54 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: i live in switzerland, but i'm in turkey often too |
| 00:43.11 | dman13 | rahul: say, does this give you any more clues? After loading the module with modprobe, I notice that both in ifconfig's output and /proc/isapnp that the base address and irq are different than they were at boot time |
| 00:43.16 | Justin_ | pole: no, that is not what you said at all |
| 00:43.20 | tarzeau | Unfrgiven: www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
| 00:43.23 | songpenguin | pieceofcake: I digress. Lilo trumps Grub |
| 00:43.37 | tarzeau | songpenguin: it can't boot the Hurd! |
| 00:43.39 | pieceofcake | :-o |
| 00:43.43 | tarzeau | songpenguin: do you know what is teh Hurd? |
| 00:43.48 | Unfrgiven | tarzeau: hehe |
| 00:43.49 | Justin_ | pole: pole> i dont believe musik isnt in debian |
| 00:43.55 | tarzeau | Justin_: haha :) |
| 00:43.58 | songpenguin | tarzeau: the new GNU OS? |
| 00:43.58 | pieceofcake | grub = good worm |
| 00:44.19 | rahul | dman13: that means that it configured the card to use unique resources |
| 00:44.19 | pole | Justin_: um, fine.... and i dont belive you are an idiot either |
| 00:44.22 | Unfrgiven | tem: so if i want to try grub out, where can i find documentation about how to configure it? |
| 00:44.22 | *** part/#debian cyberkni (~cyberkni@bgp522110bgs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.23 | CSMan | hey guys, i'm tryin to enable wheel mouse, will i have to restart X in order to make it work? |
| 00:44.26 | dman13 | FWIW, grub worked on my old compaq where lilo wouldn't |
| 00:44.28 | bowman | ein nichtlustig-witz :D |
| 00:44.29 | Justin_ | pole: you either don't believe it is in debian, or you beleive that it isn't in debian |
| 00:44.40 | rahul | dman13: it's probably working fine, you just haven't configured the iterface properly, as netbase does |
| 00:44.42 | Unfrgiven | tem: and i dont mean the man page... surely there is some guide on the net? |
| 00:44.42 | dman13 | FWIW, grub also worked to chainload win2k where I couldn't get lilo to (and was trivial to do so) |
| 00:44.45 | tarzeau | bowman: :) |
| 00:44.48 | pieceofcake | sexy worm |
| 00:44.53 | tarzeau | bowman: www.linuks.mine.nu/eichhorn.jpg |
| 00:44.53 | bowman | tarzeau: ;) |
| 00:44.56 | songpenguin | pieceofcake: Grub is good, I just like lilo. guess it's just habbit |
| 00:44.57 | Justin_ | pole: you can't even insult people right |
| 00:45.13 | tarzeau | i can translate it to english for non-german speakers |
| 00:45.21 | splodge2003 | Well, that seemed to have worked. |
| 00:45.21 | bowman | tarzeau: auch geil :) |
| 00:45.25 | pieceofcake | :-o |
| 00:45.30 | tarzeau | bowman: krank :) |
| 00:45.36 | pole | Justin_: good for you... you are smartier than everyone... |
| 00:45.50 | tem | Unfrgiven: try this: http://www.frozentech.com/article.php?story_id=20§ion_id=11 |
| 00:45.54 | songpenguin | pieceofcake: now that's going a little bit overboard |
| 00:46.01 | Justin_ | tarzeau: with my desktop offline, I switched to using my ultra2:-) |
| 00:46.10 | splodge2003 | Justin_: Are you sure you were suggesting the correct link? The BTS had nothing to do with my problem... Anyway, thanks... |
| 00:46.19 | tarzeau | Justin_: very cool! got the graphicscard now? |
| 00:46.27 | LonelyOne | muncc2beo: because there are more people on this chan ? (dunno) |
| 00:46.28 | Justin_ | splodge2003: try actually looking at the bts |
| 00:46.29 | songpenguin | muncc2beo: because there are so many jerks |
| 00:46.30 | tarzeau | Justin_: i run only powerpc and ultra2 too. broken i386 stuff |
| 00:46.33 | rahul | muncc2beo: because newbies think they're better than everyone else |
| 00:46.33 | Unfrgiven | tem: nice. thanx |
| 00:46.35 | Justin_ | tarzeau: no, vnc from my house |
| 00:46.35 | *** join/#debian Bangz-work (~Bangers@203.27.107.170) |
| 00:46.36 | pieceofcake | i see i see |
| 00:46.36 | dman13 | rahul: hmm. I was just a little surprised to see the change in address and irq. I configured the interface (IP-level) correctly, but I get "eth0: Tx timed out, lost interrupt? TSR=0x53, ISR=0x2, t=111" in syslog when I tell the installer to download the next set of stuff |
| 00:46.40 | muncc2beo | rahul: no |
| 00:46.42 | muncc2beo | songpenguin: yes |
| 00:46.43 | splodge2003 | It's fixed now anyway. |
| 00:46.44 | Bangz-work | hi there, anyone able to do me a favour |
| 00:46.44 | splodge2003 | bye! |
| 00:46.46 | rahul | muncc2beo: yes |
| 00:46.49 | muncc2beo | LonelyOne: no |
| 00:46.50 | tarzeau | Justin_: umf you really need to get that graphicscard from your ss20 into your u2 |
| 00:46.54 | tem | Unfrgiven: IMHO GRUB is the way of the future....but there is nothing wrong w/LILO.....I use it on all my servers... |
| 00:46.56 | rahul | muncc2beo: tell them a fact and they insult you |
| 00:47.01 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.10 | Justin_ | no, NOTHING in the bts about his problem... |
| 00:47.12 | Bangz-work | I neeed grub compiled with network support (pxegrub) with intel eepro100, and gigabit network support |
| 00:47.17 | rahul | dman13: interesting.... |
| 00:47.18 | Bangz-work | the one i got only has eepro100 :/ |
| 00:47.21 | songpenguin | muncc2beo: if you have 5% jerks in a population and you have 3 people you're less likely to have a flame than with thwe 600 in #debian |
| 00:47.28 | tarzeau | Bangz-work: compile it yourself! |
| 00:47.40 | tarzeau | Bangz-work: or reportbug, see bugs.debian.org/grub |
| 00:47.41 | muncc2beo | rahul: no, there are newbies other channels (eg, #linux), and people helping them aren't nearly as arrogant as some here, not to mention names... |
| 00:47.51 | GheRivero | hi! anybody knows a real-time ids?Âŋ |
| 00:47.57 | Justin_ | tarzeau: they are awfully far away |
| 00:48.07 | Justin_ | tarzeau: I want to get a creator3d for it |
| 00:48.09 | songpenguin | GheRivero: Snort |
| 00:48.09 | rahul | muncc2beo: we don't get paid enough, I guess |
| 00:48.10 | dman13 | rahul: I also see some "Hw. address read/write mismap" messages and a "no route to host" even though 'route -n' has both routes |
| 00:48.20 | tarzeau | Justin_: i have one! 24bit , reallly nice |
| 00:48.24 | rahul | dman13: looks ugly... |
| 00:48.33 | Justin_ | tarzeau: can you play bzflag on it and stuff? |
| 00:48.37 | rahul | dman13: maybe the driver is busted... |
| 00:48.39 | dman13 | rahul: I wish I had another card I could put in this machine, but this is the only ISA card I have available :-(. It's so much easier with jumpers! |
| 00:48.39 | songpenguin | !tell GheRivero about snort |
| 00:48.42 | tarzeau | Justin_: didn't try, but blender works, thanks LarstiQ |
| 00:48.47 | tarzeau | Justin_: and jumpnbump and nethack |
| 00:48.50 | *** part/#debian technoid_ (~technoid@dogsolitude.sbce.org) |
| 00:48.55 | tarzeau | Justin_: have you seen caca-utils ? |
| 00:48.55 | Justin_ | tarzeau: can you run glxgears? |
| 00:49.00 | dman13 | rahul: conceivable, though I'd expect the 'ne' driver to be quite mature by now |
| 00:49.04 | rahul | dman13: isapnp has always worked perfectly for me |
| 00:49.05 | Justin_ | tarzeau: the color ascii art lib? |
| 00:49.06 | pieceofcake | real-time ide = garbage |
| 00:49.08 | muncc2beo | rahul: maybe some simply enjoy knowing more than others. Has that crossed your mind? |
| 00:49.13 | GheRivero | thx songpenguin, uhm... snort is a network ids, and a "local" ids?Âŋ |
| 00:49.14 | rahul | dman13: try ne2kpci, actually |
| 00:49.14 | tarzeau | Justin_: i'd need to turn it on and try, i'll check tomorrow |
| 00:49.17 | dman13 | rahul: thanks for trying to help, anyways. |
| 00:49.27 | songpenguin | GheRivero: so they say |
| 00:49.32 | tarzeau | Justin_: yes cacaview porn/*.jpg |
| 00:49.34 | dman13 | rahul: how would a PCI driver work, when there is no PCI bus in this machine (486DX2) |
| 00:49.37 | rahul | muncc2beo: maybe you're being a troll. we're here to help. we don't like getting attacked by the people we're helping |
| 00:49.47 | rahul | dman13: isapnp is implemented via the pci layer :) |
| 00:49.49 | *** join/#debian localhost (~chris@adsl-68-76-191-156.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 00:49.50 | pieceofcake | becase human.... |
| 00:49.59 | muncc2beo | rahul: I'm not trying to troll, just wondering why this channel is the way it is... |
| 00:50.01 | rahul | dman13: it's a secret ;) |
| 00:50.09 | rahul | muncc2beo: because the newbies whine all the time |
| 00:50.11 | dman13 | rahul: uh, ok. I tried it anyways, and modprobe says it failed to load ne2k-pci |
| 00:50.15 | rahul | and they bite the hand that feeds them |
| 00:50.19 | songpenguin | pieceofcake: if you had a server you would want all the protection you can get! |
| 00:50.22 | rahul | dman13: damn |
| 00:50.24 | *** join/#debian pngwn (pngwn@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:cda7:6106) |
| 00:50.33 | pieceofcake | :-o |
| 00:50.34 | rahul | dman13: the drivers are too smart :) |
| 00:50.38 | udo | muncc2beo: this is the chan where i got most of my valuable help, so wouldn't say people here is that arrogant |
| 00:50.50 | _mechanix | rahul : Gee! "and they bite the hand that feeds them" |
| 00:51.07 | muncc2beo | udo: not everyone, but there are a few who seem to just piss people off, instead of help |
| 00:51.10 | rahul | _mechanix: do I know you? |
| 00:51.12 | pieceofcake | IDS cannot do that... |
| 00:51.19 | rahul | muncc2beo: like you? |
| 00:51.20 | udo | xD muncc2beo |
| 00:51.28 | _mechanix | _mechanix : no! |
| 00:51.51 | pieceofcake | the brain can do that..... |
| 00:52.04 | muncc2beo | rahul: sorry if an objective view of the happenings here piss you off, but I'm not trying to be rude or insult anyone |
| 00:52.07 | _mechanix | i was just having fun seeing u all brawl for such a kiddie thing |
| 00:52.20 | udo | i see muncc2beo |
| 00:52.27 | udo | xD |
| 00:52.31 | rahul | muncc2beo: helping someone else isn't an objective thing |
| 00:52.42 | *** join/#debian Treatz (notprovide@d55.as2.spfd.oh.voyager.net) |
| 00:52.51 | rahul | muncc2beo: if you want to be objective, talk about how the bots work or something equally useless |
| 00:52.55 | st3ph_ | anybody heard of a special driver for cdrom drives - single mode like that you can record copy protected audio cds ? |
| 00:52.57 | *** join/#debian bit0 (~Jose@80.102.84.160) |
| 00:53.02 | Treatz | Has anyone here done any work with OpenEEG or knows about EEG machines? |
| 00:53.02 | muncc2beo | whatever rahul, that's all I have. I have to go shovel the driveway now |
| 00:53.06 | muncc2beo | pleasure chatting with you |
| 00:53.08 | dman13 | rahul: I'm going to go try looking through the BIOS settings and see if anything looks interesting. Now, what's the magic key combo ... ? ;-) (this one has an unusual combo, I just have to try and remember what it is; Gateway 2000 Phoenix BOIS) |
| 00:53.12 | _mechanix | rahul : and i thought that phrase was idiot and a little "up-nose" -> "and they bite the hand that feeds them" |
| 00:53.15 | rahul | muncc2beo: shoveling one thing to shoveling another :) |
| 00:53.16 | _mechanix | ;D |
| 00:53.18 | trovador | anyone good with imagemagick? |
| 00:53.28 | rahul | _mechanix: and I think you're a dick for thinking that |
| 00:53.29 | tarzeau | trovador: yes |
| 00:53.34 | _mechanix | trovador : what's is it? |
| 00:53.34 | tarzeau | trovador: /msg apt ask |
| 00:53.34 | Justin_ | !tell trovador about polls |
| 00:53.43 | *** part/#debian tem (~troymc@adsl-68-90-223-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:53.47 | tarzeau | _mechanix: hacker tool |
| 00:53.53 | rahul | dman13: try fiddling with the pnp aware os flag |
| 00:54.19 | _mechanix | tarzeau : what? |
| 00:54.29 | *** join/#debian metalikop (alake@pcp02301767pcs.strl401.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:54.46 | *** join/#debian Izzo (Droopy@ip68-226-115-120.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:54.48 | trovador | tarzeau: i need to resize an image w/o changing the ratio.. but leaving the canvas size to a fixed size.. |
| 00:55.03 | trovador | tarzeau: and just fill the rest with black |
| 00:55.08 | _mechanix | rahul : if you're somewhat impatient with newbie asking , with helping , why are u here? you don't have to be pissed man , you're so much superior , you're the man , join a channel alone and rule it...so so... |
| 00:55.13 | tarzeau | trovador: -resize 50% ? |
| 00:55.25 | tarzeau | trovador: you'll need to consult man mogrify for the canvas size though |
| 00:55.32 | rahul | _mechanix: it's a question of newbies being assholes, not being patient with them |
| 00:55.34 | tarzeau | trovador: feh can do some magic too! |
| 00:55.58 | rahul | _mechanix: get over your holier-than-thou newbie attitude and you'll realize what a dick you're being |
| 00:56.01 | *** join/#debian [Outlaw] (~Outlaw@dsl-203-113-235-55.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 00:56.12 | [Outlaw] | Curious. I dist upgraded on my laptop as well, yesterday; everything seems fine here. |
| 00:56.13 | _mechanix | rahul : but newbies are often assholes coz *gurus* are impatient |
| 00:56.29 | *** join/#debian R0UTE-cl (~r0ute@resnet-nat4.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 00:56.32 | rahul | _mechanix: did they pay us to be patient? we're giving them pointers to what they need. |
| 00:56.51 | rahul | _mechanix: if they don't want what help they're given freely, they shouldn't be asking for help to be given freely |
| 00:56.53 | trovador | tarzeau, _mechanix: e.g. i want to convert images to 800x600, and if i have a 400x400 image, it should rescale to have height 600, and width 600, and the left and right 100 pixel strips should be black.. |
| 00:56.57 | _mechanix | free... and you're getting pissed of by this... |
| 00:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 661] by debhelper |
| 00:57.07 | Ra1stlin_ | good night |
| 00:57.14 | tarzeau | trovador: man mogrify or convert |
| 00:57.23 | trovador | tarzeau: i'm looking at the docs for a while now, and i got the resizeing ok.. but not the canvas |
| 00:57.24 | rahul | _mechanix: I'm getting pissed off by your attitude as an irrelevant third party |
| 00:57.34 | rahul | _mechanix: a.k.a. troll. |
| 00:57.48 | *** join/#debian bowman (bowman@wprt-d9b9bd6a.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 00:57.54 | _mechanix | rahul : ehehehehhe , see that? u get pissed off with anyone , pussy |
| 00:57.56 | tarzeau | trovador: tried the -page option? |
| 00:58.07 | rahul | _mechanix: I get pissed off at people who are dicks |
| 00:58.09 | bowman | tarzeau: lange mein background gewesen: http://www.nichtlustig.de/html/030312.html |
| 00:58.20 | *** join/#debian paku (~paku@adsl-69-48.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 00:58.31 | rahul | _mechanix: now if you'd kindly fuck off and die, debian will be better off for it |
| 00:58.34 | *** join/#debian hops (foobar@Montreal-ppp-87297.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:58.40 | tarzeau | bowman: i knew this one, funny too! |
| 00:58.46 | *** join/#debian Madd (~Madd@p508BF7E2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:58.54 | bowman | tarzeau: yeah :) |
| 00:59.11 | tarzeau | for non-english speakers "zebra: doesn't matter where" "lion: follow the zebra" |
| 00:59.15 | Madd | moin moin |
| 00:59.15 | muncc2beo | rahul: how will debian be better if someone "fucks off" and dies? |
| 00:59.21 | bowman | moin Madd |
| 00:59.24 | *** join/#debian motzner (~tobias@p508B3E8E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:59.41 | tarzeau | muncc2beo: why don't you fix some bugs? bugs.debian.org has plenty |
| 00:59.55 | rahul | muncc2beo: because they're a dick and are only out to destroy debian. |
| 00:59.56 | *** join/#debian ccg (~ccg@134.76.62.145) |
| 01:00.17 | muncc2beo | rahul: are you sciczophrenic, or merely paranoid? |
| 01:00.24 | rahul | muncc2beo: uh, what? |
| 01:00.30 | *** join/#debian sharth (~sharth@pcp01485611pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.34 | rahul | I smell blue. |
| 01:00.37 | trovador | tarzeau: mm.. it's for postscript.. |
| 01:00.39 | bowman | what is this, the talkshow fight channel? |
| 01:00.43 | tarzeau | rahul: why feed the trolls? |
| 01:00.51 | ccg | i got a subnet with 2 boxes , i can ping box a from box b but not b from a, what could be the reason ? |
| 01:00.56 | dman13 | rahul: this BIOS doesn't have that optoin. Oh well. I did disable the COM ports IRQs, since I don't plan on having any serial port activity. |
| 01:00.59 | dsd | I installed woody and do dist-upgrade on sarge cd's. But I don't seem to be getting the smooth GTK2 fonts. Anyone know why? |
| 01:01.00 | Izzo | what type of partition it's needed for debian ? |
| 01:01.10 | rahul | tarzeau: because sometimes it makes them turn on their malformed brains |
| 01:01.14 | Madd | if a problem with access on a 4.5 GB file over nfs or smb, it's on client-side only 596 MB, any idea? |
| 01:01.18 | bowman | ccg: got an icmp eating firewall on box b? |
| 01:01.20 | Treatz | Gimie cookie |
| 01:01.25 | tarzeau | ccg: one doesn't reply to icmp echo requests? |
| 01:01.25 | Treatz | I want an EEG machine |
| 01:01.28 | shob | hey.. i've been having some issues make-kpkg'ing a 2.4.23 stock kernel_image.. getting a depmod error: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing |
| 01:01.36 | trovador | tarzeau: perhaps the alternative is to make my own black screen .jpg and composite the images onto it? i don't think that'd be the right way to do it though.. |
| 01:01.38 | ccg | bowman: no |
| 01:01.40 | muncc2beo | This channel is run by trolls, for pete's sake |
| 01:01.48 | Izzo | what type of partition it's needed for debian ? |
| 01:01.56 | tarzeau | Izzo: /msg apt repeat |
| 01:02.03 | tarzeau | Izzo: 82 |
| 01:02.03 | rahul | muncc2beo: sorry, you aren't actually running this channel, despite your delusions of grandeur. |
| 01:02.09 | Izzo | tnxz |
| 01:02.09 | tarzeau | i might be wrong |
| 01:02.18 | ccg | tarzeau: yes |
| 01:02.18 | rahul | Izzo: the one that's the default |
| 01:02.20 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 01:02.23 | petemc | for my sake? |
| 01:02.25 | tarzeau | trovador: try |
| 01:02.32 | shob | dondelelcaro was trying to help me out yesterday, but i had to leave, so i dunno what was the outcome... running sid, checked bts thoroughly, freshly updated |
| 01:02.43 | rahul | Izzo: and then you'll need to create swap, too, as the install doc sys |
| 01:02.48 | Izzo | i have my hd that i want debian on as fat32 |
| 01:02.56 | tarzeau | Izzo: bad idea |
| 01:03.01 | rahul | Izzo: your HD isnn't fat32 |
| 01:03.02 | muncc2beo | rahul: fine, I'll just sit here and watch you people argue over stuff, which you wouldn't need to argue about if you'd just look objectively |
| 01:03.03 | tarzeau | Izzo: no you can't do that |
| 01:03.08 | bowman | Izzo: any other important data on that disk? |
| 01:03.19 | *** join/#debian ugarit (~ugarit@208-59-120-153.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 01:03.19 | tarzeau | Izzo: fat32 doesn't know about permissions |
| 01:03.29 | tarzeau | Izzo: and it has wasteful large inodes |
| 01:03.38 | rahul | muncc2beo: um, YOU are the one who is arguing and it's only because you're "looking at it objectively", i.e., getting your fingers into something you are irrelevant to. |
| 01:03.46 | *** join/#debian toasty (~boxcar@co-colspgs-u1-c6d-89.clspco.adelphia.net) |
| 01:03.48 | rahul | muncc2beo: i.e., trolling |
| 01:03.57 | Izzo | what do i convert it to then ? using PM |
| 01:03.58 | *** join/#debian Vsai (~d@pcp04355813pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:04.04 | tarzeau | channel rules: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 01:04.11 | rahul | it's about as sensible as people whining about Grasso's salary. they didn't pay it, they didn't get it. they don't matter. |
| 01:04.14 | bowman | Izzo, do you plan to use the whole HD for Debian? |
| 01:04.16 | *** join/#debian _mechanix (~carlos@200.157.109.192) |
| 01:04.18 | Izzo | yep |
| 01:04.21 | Izzo | it's a 10 gigs |
| 01:04.25 | *** join/#debian quant0rz (~user@82-38-99-138.cable.ubr02.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:04.26 | _mechanix | i'm back |
| 01:04.33 | pieceofcake | PatitionMagic = ooxx |
| 01:04.33 | Izzo | but it's my slave hd |
| 01:04.37 | rahul | Izzo: use the debian installer |
| 01:04.38 | _mechanix | rahul : where we were? |
| 01:04.45 | Madd | i have a problem to access on a 4.5 GB file (DVD-Image) over nfs or smb, it's on client-side only 596 MB, any idea? |
| 01:04.47 | *** join/#debian jono (~Snak@82-37-194-90.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:04.47 | *** join/#debian fbo1 (frank2@dsl-082-082-084-046.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:04.49 | bowman | Izzo: just format it to ext2 or ext3 then |
| 01:04.54 | Izzo | oh ok |
| 01:04.55 | tarzeau | _mechanix: want to talk with me, instead? |
| 01:04.55 | rahul | _mechanix: telling you to quit being an asshole |
| 01:05.00 | *** part/#debian paku (~paku@adsl-69-48.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 01:05.13 | natron | i'm trying to get a compiled kernel working instead of using an old debian package but now I'm getting a kernel panic that it can't mount the root filesystem, what might I have done wrong during the install? |
| 01:05.15 | _mechanix | rahul : ok ... now i've remembered |
| 01:05.16 | trovador | tarzeau: yeah, that works.. |
| 01:05.16 | rahul | Izzo: have you bothered looking at the install doc to see what you need to do to install debian? |
| 01:05.28 | Izzo | a did look |
| 01:05.28 | *** join/#debian jakobbg (~jakobbg@62.97.240.79) |
| 01:05.33 | _mechanix | rahul : why just don't we stop? |
| 01:05.38 | Izzo | does it has to be a primary partition ? |
| 01:05.50 | rahul | natron: you forgot to enable the drivers you need for your hard drive and filesystem |
| 01:05.53 | tarzeau | Justin_: did you manage to install kernel image 2.4.21 of debian? |
| 01:06.01 | rahul | Izzo: does the install doc say it does? |
| 01:06.04 | sharth | the only os i know of that requires it to be the primary hard-drive is windows, besides booting stuff. |
| 01:06.09 | rahul | _mechanix: that's your choice |
| 01:06.14 | sharth | rahul: stop being a complete ass... |
| 01:06.21 | natron | rahul: hmm, ok, I will look some more :) thanks |
| 01:06.25 | rahul | ah, sunday night |
| 01:06.27 | Justin_ | tarzeau: on my ultra? |
| 01:06.32 | Izzo | anyone else got a better answer then rahul ? |
| 01:06.32 | tarzeau | Justin_: it's strange it wouldn't work on my u2, only the 2.4.18 works (smp) ... and 2.6.x i still couldn't compile, missing egcs64 |
| 01:06.32 | rahul | when all the idiots come out to play |
| 01:06.34 | simonrvn | natron: 1. forgot to include your root fs's support; 2. misconfigured bootloader config; 3. other |
| 01:06.35 | tarzeau | Justin_: yes? |
| 01:06.40 | *** join/#debian tix64 (bob@myIP-N72-008.de.inter.net) |
| 01:06.40 | shob | heh |
| 01:06.50 | rahul | Izzo: do you really think people write these docs just to have them ignored? |
| 01:06.53 | tarzeau | Izzo: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 01:06.57 | _mechanix | rahul : if u think i'm a dick , okz , nobody knows me tough...but u are known as impatient and insupportable... |
| 01:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 667] by debhelper |
| 01:07.04 | Justin_ | Linux ultrasparcy 2.4.23 #5 SMP Thu Dec 4 20:47:50 EST 2003 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:07.09 | tarzeau | _mechanix: no he's helpful |
| 01:07.12 | natron | simonrvn: thanks |
| 01:07.14 | Izzo | it says it does just making sure |
| 01:07.17 | Justin_ | 2.6.0 compiled but would hang soon after booting |
| 01:07.21 | simonrvn | tarzeau: do you have a /server/ on that site? |
| 01:07.27 | tarzeau | Justin_: what a cute name! |
| 01:07.31 | rahul | _mechanix: you don't need to support me, thanks. and I'm patient when the person helping isn't expecting everyone else to run around after them. |
| 01:07.35 | natron | what are some kernel options i can pass to try and get my old kernel going again? |
| 01:07.36 | Justin_ | 2.4.23 crashes if i dump too much on the serial port, so i bet 2.6.0 would work fine if I just didnt touch the serial por |
| 01:07.37 | tarzeau | simonrvn: where? |
| 01:07.41 | Justin_ | Linux sparcy 2.4.23 #1 Mon Dec 1 20:51:07 EST 2003 sparc GNU/Linux |
| 01:07.43 | simonrvn | tarzeau: your site |
| 01:07.43 | Justin_ | is the other one :-) |
| 01:07.45 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no nothing i want to show anyeone |
| 01:07.46 | rahul | _mechanix: there's a different between slavishness and patience. |
| 01:07.50 | simonrvn | tarzeau: ok |
| 01:07.52 | natron | i want to pass it vmlinuz to use |
| 01:07.53 | tarzeau | simonrvn: why would you want a server one? |
| 01:07.55 | thomas_adam | meaow |
| 01:08.06 | rahul | _mechanix: I'm perfectly happy waiting for someone to look over a doc so that they get a better understanding of what they're dealing with |
| 01:08.07 | simonrvn | tarzeau: more curiousity than anything |
| 01:08.13 | *** join/#debian Fyre610 (~galloda@pcp05734535pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:08.13 | simonrvn | -u |
| 01:08.13 | LonelyOne | Is there a simple way to change the installation destination(s) through an apt-get install, or dpkg -i ? (let's say i'd like to install flightgear through apt, but my /usr can't hold the whole datas files) ? |
| 01:08.15 | tarzeau | simonrvn: would you like one? |
| 01:08.20 | rahul | natron: no such thing. use the old kernel. |
| 01:08.22 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i have www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ very cool |
| 01:08.40 | natron | rahul: ok, for some reason i get that same problem on the old kernel now though :( |
| 01:08.50 | rahul | natron: erm... |
| 01:08.55 | dsd | I installed woody and do 'dist-upgrade' on sarge cd's. But I don't seem to be getting the smooth GTK2 fonts. Anyone know why? |
| 01:09.03 | simonrvn | tarzeau: would be a cool idea, for people who want to run a server properly (secure, not spamming other hosts with garbage, etc.) |
| 01:09.03 | rahul | natron: so you changed something other than just the kernel... |
| 01:09.16 | Justin_ | rahul: grr, i'm in quite a predicament, i can get one of my roomates to cut the power to my room, then my desktop will reboot and get an ip... |
| 01:09.18 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i'll go look, thanks |
| 01:09.25 | natron | rahul: yea i changed something in lilo.conf |
| 01:09.25 | Justin_ | rahul: but silo is still broken so my ultra2 won't reboot |
| 01:09.32 | rahul | Justin_: you fool |
| 01:09.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: this time i would not do it with html. |
| 01:09.43 | natron | rahul: can i get back on it with a rescue disk? |
| 01:09.50 | rahul | natron: probably |
| 01:10.04 | simonrvn | tarzeau: hehe. maybe use lyx to do that for you ? :) |
| 01:10.05 | natron | ok cool |
| 01:10.26 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i didn't like lyx, but i liked tecmacs |
| 01:10.31 | tarzeau | with x even |
| 01:10.32 | motzner | i use xdm. can i specify different users with differen colordepths and resolutions? |
| 01:10.35 | simonrvn | tarzeau: whatever works :) |
| 01:10.45 | tarzeau | openoffice is hated... sgml? docbook? latex itself? |
| 01:10.51 | rahul | motzner: eew |
| 01:10.52 | tarzeau | i really don't know |
| 01:10.57 | rahul | tarzeau: defdoc! |
| 01:11.11 | motzner | rahul: why eew? |
| 01:11.15 | tarzeau | no such package |
| 01:11.18 | rahul | it actually does stuff right now, only coverting to html, tho |
| 01:11.26 | *** join/#debian qazix (~q@adsl-65-43-35-29.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net) |
| 01:11.28 | rahul | tarzeau: well, duh. I'll package it when it's ready :) |
| 01:11.32 | tarzeau | rahul: haha |
| 01:11.52 | rahul | motzner: why not just have lots of XF86Config files and let the user choose one when they startx? |
| 01:12.19 | rahul | tarzeau: it still can be used for generating simple html pages and will even page-break html using TeX's line-breaking algo |
| 01:12.20 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@public1-sout4-4-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 01:12.24 | rahul | or wait, I lost that code. |
| 01:12.29 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 01:12.30 | _mechanix | rahul : i'm a bit disappointed man , really , no brawl this time |
| 01:12.35 | *** join/#debian gdb (~cbell@circe.inetdb.com) |
| 01:12.40 | tarzeau | rahul: <pre>lon glines</pre> are printed bad! |
| 01:12.41 | *** join/#debian kingsley (~kingsley@pm3-d22.nas.com) |
| 01:13.01 | *** join/#debian brc007_ (~brc007@ip68-109-131-42.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:13.15 | simonrvn | tarzeau: nice stuff there at /irc/. what's that 'Wanted' thing at the bottom? a request for that lesson? |
| 01:13.16 | motzner | rahul: how can they chose a config file, when x is started automatically directly after login |
| 01:13.28 | simonrvn | @tell motzner about nodm |
| 01:13.31 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yes |
| 01:13.36 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:13.49 | *** join/#debian quant (~user@82-38-99-138.cable.ubr02.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:14.44 | rahul | _mechanix: I only bite when someone shoves their hand in my mouth |
| 01:14.53 | motzner | ok so far for the philosophy. is it possible anyway? |
| 01:15.01 | rahul | tarzeau: eh? |
| 01:15.21 | rahul | tarzeau: oh, you mean verbatim text isn't wrapped. well duh :) |
| 01:15.27 | tarzeau | rahul: yes |
| 01:15.31 | rahul | motzner: that's the problem |
| 01:15.36 | rahul | motzner: stop doing that |
| 01:15.36 | *** join/#debian ugarit (~ugarit@208-59-120-153.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 01:15.40 | dsd | Help: I installed woody and I did 'dist-upgrade' on sarge cd's. But I don't seem to be getting the smooth GTK2 fonts. Anyone know why? |
| 01:15.56 | rahul | tarzeau: why would it wrap that when you told it not to? :P |
| 01:16.07 | Justin_ | tarzeau: you probably want to just sed "s/$/<br>/" rather than use pre |
| 01:16.16 | tarzeau | rahul: true i started using \ after an amount of chars |
| 01:16.30 | bit0 | bye |
| 01:16.31 | tarzeau | Justin_: no i want to change the font too, sure i can start with css |
| 01:16.31 | *** part/#debian bit0 (~Jose@80.102.84.160) |
| 01:16.37 | rahul | tarzeau: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:16.38 | tarzeau | but it'll suck in dillo and links -g then |
| 01:16.50 | zygut | if a bug is fixed in an upstream CVS tree, how do developers get those bugs fixed in unstable without packaging the CVS tree? |
| 01:16.55 | rahul | oh |
| 01:16.58 | tarzeau | rahul: if i knew people would translate www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ i would have not written it with html |
| 01:16.58 | motzner | if a user whishes a certain res and depth different from the defaults, why shouldn't he have it convenient after a graphic login? |
| 01:17.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 661] by debhelper |
| 01:17.07 | Justin_ | zygut: patches |
| 01:17.26 | The_Vulture | zygut: that doesn't make much sense |
| 01:17.38 | zygut | The_Vulture: sure it does, what doesn't make sense to you? |
| 01:17.42 | rahul | tarzeau: hmm, I'm actually thinking of having a way for defdoc to dynamically generate the html and be given the parsed user agent object so it can figure out how best to format the page |
| 01:17.47 | *** join/#debian praetorian (~prae@209.145.206.210) |
| 01:17.53 | The_Vulture | zygut: what do you mean by "package the cvs tree" exactly? |
| 01:18.00 | The_Vulture | make a package with the latest version from cvs? |
| 01:18.04 | tarzeau | rahul: is openoffice really that bad? |
| 01:18.07 | zygut | The_Vulture: right |
| 01:18.26 | tarzeau | rahul: www.linuks.mine.nu/lug-ag/openoffice-plakat.pdf <- i did that with it |
| 01:18.48 | rahul | tarzeau: I wouldn't know if openoffice makes the general concept of "office software" even worse. |
| 01:18.49 | bowman | do I actually need ALSA or OSS to play music with xmms? |
| 01:18.51 | The_Vulture | ok, then as Justin_ said, they could just patch it themselves, not that I know much about unstable policy, but I think they generally just have things setup to automatically build debs from cvs or whatever othe rform the upstream is in |
| 01:18.52 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 01:19.03 | st3ph_ | bowman, you do |
| 01:19.20 | zygut | Justin_: is there a procedure for that documented somewhere? |
| 01:19.39 | Justin_ | zygut: it is probably in the debian mantainers guide, but its rather common sense |
| 01:19.42 | tarzeau | st3ph_: hehe |
| 01:19.47 | tarzeau | bowman: doesn't matter, i still use OSS |
| 01:19.52 | rahul | bowman: you can use NAS to send it to another computer, which uses whatever its drivers are. |
| 01:19.55 | tarzeau | apt alsa |
| 01:20.01 | | rumour has it, alsa is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, or at http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 01:20.01 | Justin_ | or maybe just general development practices |
| 01:20.01 | simonrvn | paq_: (01:18:13) *** Quits: paq_ [~paq@203.130.197.226] (Excess Flood) -- something you're doing is causing that. either that, or you have a crappy IRC client |
| 01:20.29 | *** join/#debian accel (~accel@wnpgmb01dc2-24-35.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 01:20.31 | zygut | Justin_: I was just wondering if it is detailed if you patch and build, or you distribute the patch with your package and then it is applied on installation or user build |
| 01:20.38 | st3ph_ | tarzeau, ... |
| 01:20.45 | *** join/#debian aphex (aphex@c-24-10-117-235.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:20.57 | accel | can somebody direct me to a guide to get my logitech mx700 working with all the buttons in x |
| 01:21.03 | *** join/#debian Toothpick (Tooth@pcp01993868pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:21.03 | *** join/#debian [Outlaw] (~Outlaw@dsl-203-113-235-55.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 01:21.06 | tarzeau | accel: how many is it? |
| 01:21.09 | Toothpick | What is the channel for the installer testing? |
| 01:21.09 | [Outlaw] | Ok, now X is working. But there's still the matter of the INITs respawning too quickly. No one else using Unstable is having problems with that? |
| 01:21.19 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: never |
| 01:21.22 | accel | 7 plus a wheel |
| 01:21.26 | bowman | tarzeau: OSS doesnīt want to install with the 2.4.22-686 kernel image package *grml* |
| 01:21.27 | [Outlaw] | What in the hell is causing this then? |
| 01:21.34 | tarzeau | bowman: i386? |
| 01:21.36 | [Outlaw] | How can it POSSIBLY appear on all three of my computers at random? |
| 01:21.48 | Justin_ | ~tell [Outlaw] about sid |
| 01:21.50 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: tried google? |
| 01:21.54 | Justin_ | ~tell [Outlaw] about bts |
| 01:21.57 | bowman | tarzeau: yeah |
| 01:22.00 | [Outlaw] | Yeah. |
| 01:22.02 | [Outlaw] | Thanks Justin. |
| 01:22.09 | aphex | hey in installed the kernel-image-2.4.18, and I when I try to boot it gives me the followoing message "Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01", does anybody know how to fix that? |
| 01:22.11 | *** join/#debian plunger (~peek@MTL-HSE-ppp166103.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:22.14 | [Outlaw] | That's really useful. |
| 01:22.22 | Justin_ | [Outlaw]: so is whining |
| 01:22.32 | [Outlaw] | That's not whining. It's an observation. |
| 01:22.33 | rahul | accel: set the "buttons" option to the right value |
| 01:22.57 | accel | rahul i had lots of problems getting the buttons to work as back forward |
| 01:23.06 | *** part/#debian ToothAway (Tooth@pcp01993868pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:23.10 | rahul | accel: that has nothing to do with your question... |
| 01:23.23 | [Outlaw] | And I don't believe BTS lets you search for random things; just packages. So if I knew what package was causing this, I'd use it. |
| 01:23.25 | rahul | accel: and is an unanswerable question if you ask that one |
| 01:23.41 | accel | its impossible to do rahul? |
| 01:23.41 | rahul | [Outlaw]: you mean google is down? |
| 01:23.48 | rahul | accel: it's unanswerable. |
| 01:23.50 | dondelelcaro | [Outlaw]: yes, the bts allows you to search for random things. |
| 01:23.57 | rahul | accel: you haven't said what you want to do |
| 01:24.11 | *** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@dialup-239.82.221.203.acc52-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) |
| 01:24.14 | accel | i want to get my logitech mx 700 working properly. with the back forward buttons working |
| 01:24.22 | plunger | here's a quickie do I need to pass the debian 3.0r2 installer an option to detect my scsi disks? it only detected the ide disk in the system and I couldn't find anything on the debian website to indicate I had to do anything special... it's an AIC-78xx controller (fairly standard) |
| 01:24.36 | gb | A quicky? |
| 01:24.55 | plunger | hehe well maybe a lamie? a lusie? ;) |
| 01:24.56 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 01:24.56 | dondelelcaro | plunger: you just have to load the driver for that controller. I forget which driver floppy its on. |
| 01:24.58 | rahul | accel: so map them to buttons and configure your apps to bind those button presses to the actions you want |
| 01:25.01 | Steven_ | plunger : maybe you need the correct driver disk ? |
| 01:25.12 | *** join/#debian Feather (~root@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-181-132.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 01:25.17 | gb | gottuh love it when people too clueless to figure something out for themselves by rtfm still can classify something as having a quick or easy solution |
| 01:25.38 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 01:25.40 | plunger | i was under the impression that all the drivers needed were on the boot cd |
| 01:25.46 | plunger | but fair enough gb |
| 01:25.48 | jono | anyone use moinmoin here? |
| 01:26.21 | gb | plunger: depends on what boot kernel you used |
| 01:26.41 | rahul | wow. this _mechanix fellow has some real emotional issues. |
| 01:26.42 | gb | if you use a scsi kernel no doubt it'll find your scsi hardware |
| 01:27.01 | rahul | gb: if the drivers for your scsi hardware are there, of course :) |
| 01:27.09 | gb | if you use the ide one, too my knowledge no parameter will load up the non existing scsi drivers |
| 01:27.16 | rahul | "are there" including "exist in that version" |
| 01:27.20 | rahul | heh |
| 01:27.25 | gb | but im just guessing of course |
| 01:27.38 | *** join/#debian schlumpf (~vx_schlum@dsl-082-082-067-068.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:27.40 | gb | id have to go rtfm to be certain which no doubt you already did |
| 01:27.42 | rahul | gb: you never know. it might have scsi even though it claims to be ide-only :) |
| 01:28.06 | *** join/#debian andrewjj20 (~chatzilla@d209-121-80-167.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:29.09 | plunger | thanks again |
| 01:29.15 | andrewjj20 | can someone help me with a printer problem |
| 01:29.19 | *** join/#debian real (~sex0rz@208.179.66.181) |
| 01:29.19 | gb | perhaps im just haive thinking a search for your particular hardware + linux in google will provide the needed information? |
| 01:29.31 | gb | arrgh =h+n |
| 01:29.35 | real | how can i see what proccess is usinga moduel with module-init-tools |
| 01:29.53 | gb | far out my one handed typing appears to be out by 5mm today |
| 01:30.02 | nevyn | real: I don't think you can |
| 01:30.04 | dondelelcaro | real: you can't easily tell what process, but you can see if the module is in use. If you know what device the module loads, you can find out by using lsof. |
| 01:30.06 | rahul | "This is for their P4 EE chip's 'Hot and Searing' feature. It is meant for short bursts to make your player run faster, or to brand the Intel logo on hardcore gamers." |
| 01:30.09 | rahul | HEH |
| 01:30.10 | nevyn | gb: it usually works for me. |
| 01:30.12 | real | thanks |
| 01:30.22 | real | usb_storage 24064 1 its this one |
| 01:30.25 | rahul | andrewjj20: not if you don't ask a question |
| 01:30.28 | real | lsfof | grep sda does nothing |
| 01:30.42 | *** join/#debian freddy (~jason@203.91.225.3) |
| 01:30.43 | rahul | real: use fuser |
| 01:30.52 | *** part/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 01:31.05 | dondelelcaro | real: check /proc/scsi/scsi; then use fuser or lsof. |
| 01:31.06 | dsd | Anyone know the GTK2 'Sans and Serif' debian package font? |
| 01:31.20 | simonrvn | sans serif |
| 01:31.26 | real | nothing there =\ |
| 01:31.29 | gb | yay fuser -av :) |
| 01:31.29 | freddy | my mouse is about a 1cm off to the right, what gives? |
| 01:31.30 | simonrvn | serif, and sans serif |
| 01:31.36 | dondelelcaro | rahul: dunno... I was wandering around with a 486 DX4 100 serial emblazoned on my hand for a while... |
| 01:31.37 | andrewjj20 | I have a lexmark z31 and when I tell cups to print it acts like it is going to print, but is never sent to the printer. the printer works in knoppix 3.3 |
| 01:31.39 | shob | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 01:31.47 | Justin_ | freddy: turn off/on the hardware cursor |
| 01:31.51 | rahul | dondelelcaro: victim |
| 01:32.03 | dondelelcaro | shob: did you figure that thing out? I built the kernel just fine using your .config... |
| 01:32.22 | shob | dondelelcaro: u did? :( i haven't figured it out.. |
| 01:32.33 | *** join/#debian Serialkiller (~systemadm@dpc691928166.direcpc.com) |
| 01:32.43 | shob | dondelelcaro: damn.. and i just filed a bug report! |
| 01:32.51 | rahul | dondelelcaro: you should have upgraded your manual processing core to a MC68030 :) |
| 01:33.07 | dondelelcaro | shob: anyway, it should build fine with build_image, but it might fail with modules_image... I don't have the same modules as you do. |
| 01:33.09 | simonrvn | nah, 060 ;) |
| 01:33.19 | rahul | simonrvn: didn't exist back then |
| 01:33.25 | simonrvn | doh |
| 01:33.27 | nvz | nvz: |
| 01:33.28 | rahul | dumbass |
| 01:33.31 | dondelelcaro | rahul: heh. I actually had an 030 at that point in time... |
| 01:33.32 | shob | dondelelcaro: what about kernel_image? |
| 01:33.34 | *** part/#debian Madd (~Madd@p508BF7E2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:33.36 | simonrvn | @lart rahul |
| 01:33.46 | dondelelcaro | shob: rrr... s/build_/kernel_/ |
| 01:33.48 | *** join/#debian cazador1976 (~pablo@200.45.159.32) |
| 01:33.59 | rahul | mv /home/backup/rahul rahul |
| 01:34.03 | cazador1976 | !info install gnome |
| 01:34.03 | shob | dondelelcaro: if u used the same .config as mine, then it selected the same modules too right... |
| 01:34.12 | rahul | ln rahul /home/backup/rahul |
| 01:34.16 | cazador1976 | !info gnome |
| 01:34.19 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 43 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 01:34.21 | _mechanix | shred rahul |
| 01:34.36 | cazador1976 | !info gnome |
| 01:34.40 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 43 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 01:34.43 | Serialkiller | when i try to send email it says this : Domain of sender address www-data@acidbase does not exist ??? |
| 01:34.45 | *** join/#debian debian (~mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk) |
| 01:34.46 | dondelelcaro | shob: yeah, that builds the modules built into the kernel. But make modules_image builds the modules which are not part of the kernel (like alsa, lm-sensors, i2c, etc.) |
| 01:34.48 | rahul | _mechanix: I'm well aware of your life's goal |
| 01:34.53 | simonrvn | cazador1976: do you mind? do it in /msg please |
| 01:35.06 | gb | yes please |
| 01:35.09 | *** join/#debian TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc84dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) |
| 01:35.10 | cazador1976 | i dont know how |
| 01:35.11 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: yes, only an MTA on crack will accept mail from a sender that does not resolve. |
| 01:35.13 | cazador1976 | sorry |
| 01:35.14 | shob | dondelelcaro: yeah, my errors are happening with kernel_image only.. |
| 01:35.16 | debian | lol@jono |
| 01:35.16 | *** part/#debian real (~sex0rz@208.179.66.181) |
| 01:35.18 | _mechanix | rahul : and u're aware of yours? |
| 01:35.20 | rahul | hmm, what does an NMU for a debian-native package look like? |
| 01:35.21 | simonrvn | cazador1976: /msg apt foo |
| 01:35.21 | nvz | cazador1976: /msg dpkg |
| 01:35.28 | shob | dondelelcaro: i'll get to alsa once i get this working :) |
| 01:35.31 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok how do i change this? |
| 01:35.35 | rahul | _mechanix: do you really have to keep using idjitspeek? |
| 01:35.37 | gb | if you prefer to flood the channel please first read /server flood |
| 01:35.44 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: make acidwhatever resolve. |
| 01:35.46 | rahul | and what about a binary-only NMU? |
| 01:36.03 | dondelelcaro | rahul: binariy only NMUs are different... |
| 01:36.03 | nvz | I think I am going to start using ION since I cant get my framebuffer console to work properly |
| 01:36.16 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yeah, but how? |
| 01:36.17 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to make a bash shell change its own process group? |
| 01:36.19 | dondelelcaro | rahul: but for debian-native packages, the real difference is the version number. |
| 01:36.20 | rahul | dondelelcaro: and from what? |
| 01:36.26 | andrewjj20 | I have a lexmark z31 and when I tell cups to print it acts like it is going to print, but is never sent to the printer. the printer works in knoppix 3.3. i have tried changing the driver as well as reinstalling the printer. i just installed debian and it hasn't worked since. kprint recognises that the printer is there. |
| 01:36.46 | rahul | dondelelcaro: so it's still 12-0.1 or 12-0.0.1? |
| 01:36.58 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 01:37.04 | *** join/#debian pol__ (~paul@ip68-229-55-31.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 01:37.06 | _mechanix | rahul : Gee you man! |
| 01:37.24 | *** join/#debian RobotBebop (~ian@d64-180-15-32.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:37.25 | RobotBebop | hey |
| 01:37.31 | *** join/#debian xavier_ (~xavier@dsl-200-67-48-95.prod-infinitum.com.mx) |
| 01:37.32 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it usually won't be a new version, so it'll go previousversion.1 or previousversion-0.1 |
| 01:37.36 | rahul | _mechanix: I have concluded that you're a bot |
| 01:37.40 | dondelelcaro | rahul: see ifupdown, FE |
| 01:37.41 | *** join/#debian zxcv (geoff@d66-183-157-241.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:37.47 | *** join/#debian kaka (~kaka@nat10.amnet.co.cr) |
| 01:37.58 | dondelelcaro | rahul: although, he is too lame to read BitchX.doc... |
| 01:38.10 | RobotBebop | i have fd0 in my fstab with options user,noauto |
| 01:38.20 | RobotBebop | doesn't that let any user mount the floppy drive ? |
| 01:38.23 | nvz | andrewjj20: I was hooking up a printer the other day and I had a choice of hooking up a Lexmark z33, HP Apollo p2200, or Epson 800.. and since the linuxprinters site rated the lexmark's compatibility as "paperweight" I decided against that one |
| 01:38.23 | _mechanix | eggdrop-0.36 |
| 01:38.32 | RobotBebop | unless i've read the man page for fstab wrong |
| 01:38.33 | rahul | dondelelcaro: he's too lame to even get to that point :) |
| 01:38.44 | cazador1976 | how can I install GTK? |
| 01:38.53 | rahul | dondelelcaro: looks like it's versioned like a normal package with an upstream souce |
| 01:38.56 | nvz | cazador1976: what for? |
| 01:38.57 | Justin_ | !wayttd cazador1976 |
| 01:38.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cazador1976? |
| 01:39.02 | cazador1976 | mplayer |
| 01:39.04 | udo | bye |
| 01:39.05 | dondelelcaro | rahul: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-nmu |
| 01:39.10 | *** part/#debian udo (~udo@94.Red-80-59-241.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:39.15 | simonrvn | cazador1976: apt-get install libgtk2.0 . won't do much though |
| 01:39.24 | nvz | cazador1976: are you trying to compile? |
| 01:39.29 | cazador1976 | yes |
| 01:39.30 | accel | i am getting a error when trying to run k3b setup can somebody help me. there error is. There was a error loading a moduele. Library files for "libkcm_k3bsetup2.la" not found in paths |
| 01:39.34 | Justin_ | !tell cazador1976 about mplayer |
| 01:39.39 | simonrvn | cazador1976: apt-cache search gtk dev |
| 01:39.40 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok i edited hostname , do i have to reboot to get it in effect? |
| 01:39.47 | nvz | cazador1976: there are debs on marillat.free.fr |
| 01:39.49 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: no. |
| 01:39.49 | simonrvn | oh |
| 01:39.57 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: you may have to change your /etc/mailname though. |
| 01:39.57 | zu22 | 333 |
| 01:40.00 | cazador1976 | ./configure --enable-gui |
| 01:40.05 | cazador1976 | ohh |
| 01:40.20 | *** join/#debian jono (~Snak@82-37-194-90.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:40.22 | cazador1976 | in sid works? |
| 01:40.23 | nvz | cazador1976: would be better to add an apt source and get the package |
| 01:40.36 | rahul | dondelelcaro: ok, looks like I guessed right |
| 01:40.52 | *** join/#debian cappicard (~Derek@CPE-24-94-181-193.kc.rr.com) |
| 01:40.53 | dondelelcaro | Treatz: just hook yourself up to a 12 lead o-scope. |
| 01:40.56 | Serialkiller | dondelelcaro: ok did i have to edit the /etc/hostname file, or did i have to do both |
| 01:41.02 | andrewjj20 | I have a lexmark z31 and when I tell cups to print it acts like it is going to print, but is never sent to the printer. the printer works in knoppix 3.3. i have tried changing the driver as well as reinstalling the printer. i just installed debian and it hasn't worked since. kprint recognises that the printer is there. i am about ready to put mandrake back on my computer |
| 01:41.05 | mentor | does he mean ECG? |
| 01:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Serialkiller: yes, maybe. |
| 01:41.25 | *** join/#debian mrwoody (~paolo@pool-141-150-134-71.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:41.26 | simonrvn | eeg, encephalo |
| 01:41.32 | mrwoody | does anyone know if there is any issue on ieee1394 on 2.4.23? |
| 01:41.32 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:daba:ad0a) |
| 01:41.37 | Treatz | EEG and ECG are related |
| 01:41.39 | dondelelcaro | mentor: well, they're similar in principle... |
| 01:41.50 | rahul | EEG and ECG are on different parts of the body |
| 01:41.52 | Treatz | EEG is for neurofeedback of the brain |
| 01:41.59 | mentor | a |
| 01:42.00 | mentor | h |
| 01:42.02 | nvz | cazador1976: echo "deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer-686 w32codecs mplayer-mozilla |
| 01:42.13 | rahul | "encephalo" - head, "cardio" - heart |
| 01:42.14 | *** join/#debian [DarkStar] (darkstar@200227240079-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br) |
| 01:42.22 | rahul | dondelelcaro: *drool* |
| 01:42.30 | Treatz | What does that do dondelelcaro? |
| 01:42.35 | rahul | although those things are windows boxes :\ |
| 01:42.36 | nvz | cazador1976: that all on one line as root should install mplayer with gui, codecs, and mozilla plugin |
| 01:42.37 | mentor | capture digitals |
| 01:42.46 | mentor | s/re/&s/ |
| 01:42.50 | cazador1976 | ohh |
| 01:43.00 | dondelelcaro | s/tech/tek/ |
| 01:43.02 | rahul | hmm... we could compute the jitter of your heartbeat |
| 01:43.07 | nvz | cazador1976: for sid.. change the unstable if not using sid |
| 01:43.57 | *** join/#debian aphex (aphex@c-24-10-117-235.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:44.03 | kaka | after compiling kernel 2.6 mouse and keyboard is not working , is that because i didn't select the dev file system? |
| 01:44.09 | aphex | hey what is the module called for the soundblaster live value |
| 01:44.10 | *** join/#debian kalve (thomas@amanda.irchost.no) |
| 01:44.21 | rahul | aphex: emu10k1 |
| 01:44.23 | Treatz | ŋWhat is that dondelelcaro? |
| 01:44.27 | *** join/#debian Locutus1976 (~alterego1@Toronto-HSE-ppp3735678.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:44.37 | andrewjj20 | i am using cups 1.1.14 |
| 01:44.40 | *** part/#debian tarzeau (~tarzeau@80-219-76-16.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 01:44.49 | aphex | rahul: I did modconf and the module was not there, do you maybe know how I would get it working |
| 01:45.05 | rahul | aphex: uh... compile your kernel and just compile in the support for it |
| 01:45.06 | DMJC | you want snd-emu10k1 |
| 01:45.07 | *** part/#debian kalve (thomas@amanda.irchost.no) |
| 01:45.07 | cazador1976 | nvz |
| 01:45.12 | DMJC | forget emu10k1 |
| 01:45.18 | rahul | DMJC: if he HAS it |
| 01:45.20 | DMJC | snd-emu10k1 is the alsa module.. |
| 01:45.22 | aphex | rhul: without compiling the kernel, lol |
| 01:45.23 | cazador1976 | should I put unstable? |
| 01:45.28 | cazador1976 | in sources? |
| 01:45.30 | rahul | aphex: if it's not there, it's not ther |
| 01:46.09 | Locutus1976 | Question: Can anyone tell me what debian sarge is? |
| 01:46.13 | dondelelcaro | Treatz: what, an o-scope? measures voltage versus time. |
| 01:46.13 | mrwoody | does anyone know if there is any issue on ieee1394 on 2.4.23? |
| 01:46.28 | mrwoody | ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received - no tlabel match |
| 01:46.29 | aphex | rahul: damn it, I have the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel why is it not there, I installed the kernel-image-2.4.18 so I would get the modules, but it won't boot |
| 01:46.29 | andrewjj20 | can someone help me with my printer |
| 01:46.43 | rahul | Locutus1976: ever considered www.debian.org? |
| 01:46.46 | Treatz | That doesn't seem to help |
| 01:46.50 | cazador1976 | i have 12 cds of sid |
| 01:46.55 | *** join/#debian BloodyShade (~BloodySha@200-100-178-10.dial-up.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:47.06 | rahul | aphex: you don't need sound to install debian. |
| 01:47.15 | nvz | cazador1976: are you running unstable? either "cat /etc/debian_version" or "dpkg -l libc6" |
| 01:47.15 | dondelelcaro | Treatz: what do you think an EEG or an ECG does? They're just crappy, limited o-scopes. |
| 01:47.20 | simonrvn | cazador1976: having cds of sid is usually a waste of cds |
| 01:47.22 | rahul | aphex: I don't use kernels that are designed to work badly on all setups. |
| 01:47.36 | Treatz | Really!? |
| 01:47.37 | tix64 | aphex: 2.4.18-bf2.4 is just for boot floppies. why doesn't kernel-image-2.4.18 work? |
| 01:47.39 | rahul | REALLY!! |
| 01:47.40 | nvz | simonrvn: yeap, it sure is |
| 01:47.42 | cazador1976 | i dont have adsl |
| 01:47.50 | cazador1976 | only 56k |
| 01:47.55 | *** join/#debian drmaboul (drmaboul@dyn-213-36-0-169.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 01:48.02 | simonrvn | cazador1976: other people do sid on dialup too |
| 01:48.03 | cazador1976 | thats why I have the cds |
| 01:48.15 | mentor | cazador1976: It's still a waste of CDs. |
| 01:48.19 | aphex | tix64: well I installed it but when I boot up it gives me this "Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01" |
| 01:48.20 | cazador1976 | takes too much time |
| 01:48.22 | nvz | cazador1976: the cds are so far out of date its unreal.. sid changes like daily |
| 01:48.32 | simonrvn | it does change daily |
| 01:48.42 | nvz | cazador1976: and for all you know the packages you got may not even work |
| 01:48.42 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: unless we're rooted... ;-) |
| 01:48.49 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 01:49.02 | simonrvn | damn you, i was taking a sip of my hot coffee |
| 01:49.02 | aphex | rahul: when I modprob emu10k1 it finds it |
| 01:49.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:49.09 | *** join/#debian skatters (~skatters@0-1pool119-178.nas15.atlanta2.ga.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 01:49.13 | simonrvn | then you go tell a funny one |
| 01:49.19 | nvz | cazador1976: in which case you will be downloading an entire upgrade or suffering |
| 01:49.26 | simonrvn | @hug dondelelcaro |
| 01:49.27 | rahul | are there plans to have an option in aptitude to see the changelog for the version you're looking at? |
| 01:49.39 | simonrvn | rahul: that would be so cool |
| 01:49.41 | rahul | aphex: so you did have the module all along |
| 01:49.44 | cazador1976 | its works |
| 01:49.46 | cazador1976 | for me |
| 01:49.48 | simonrvn | rahul: apt-listchanges does that though |
| 01:49.49 | DMJC | pity you can't unmount the root fs while you're using it |
| 01:49.51 | cazador1976 | for now |
| 01:50.06 | cazador1976 | its not the best |
| 01:50.12 | rahul | simonrvn: _after_ you download the package |
| 01:50.12 | mentor | rahul: You'd probably have to download the pacakge? |
| 01:50.13 | aphex | rahul: I guess, but it was not there when I load modconf, as a matter of fact I am looking at modconf right now and the module is not there |
| 01:50.14 | DMJC | one thing partition magic had over linux... you could resize the root partition while you were running windows from it |
| 01:50.14 | cazador1976 | but I have kde3 |
| 01:50.16 | skatters | i have a pcmcia wireless card listed as eth1. the problem is that networking starts at boot before the proper drivers have been loaded so eth1 doesn't exist and it can't initialize properly. how can I get the drivers to load before the networking init script is run? |
| 01:50.26 | rahul | I want to see it in thre package details screen |
| 01:50.38 | nvz | bah, kde3 is just a waste of good resources |
| 01:50.39 | rahul | aphex: interesting... |
| 01:50.49 | mentor | skatters: /etc/modules |
| 01:50.58 | rahul | DMJC: windows likes living on the edge like that |
| 01:50.59 | cazador1976 | why makes the cds if is a waste of cds? |
| 01:51.03 | skatters | mentor: yes, the modules are in there |
| 01:51.09 | aphex | rahul: heheh I know, my whole system is just total crap I gues |
| 01:51.09 | skatters | mentor: they just get loaded after networking is start |
| 01:51.13 | Treatz | I looked up o-scope in terms of EEGs and I read it wasn't good to hook them up to your head |
| 01:51.13 | rahul | DMJC: I mean, what could you possibly lose that's important if it fucks up? |
| 01:51.13 | skatters | started |
| 01:51.16 | nvz | I'm using ION right now, I havent edited the config yet so I dont exactly know what all my bindings are.. but I am getting around |
| 01:51.22 | *** join/#debian nailzy (~nailzy@van58-8-234-253.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 01:51.23 | aphex | tix64: any ideas on how to fix that kernel panic problem I have |
| 01:51.24 | simonrvn | rahul: many a person have complained about that.. i don't see how you can do it otherwise - like you'd have to spend bandwidth grokking the .deb to extract the changelog |
| 01:51.29 | mentor | skatters: /etc/modules is loaded before networking, unless something is broken. |
| 01:51.42 | rahul | simonrvn: there is a tool to do this |
| 01:51.51 | simonrvn | ah, news to me |
| 01:52.10 | pafrusurewa | DMJC: are you sure? the versions i used always booted into some kind of shell to resize partitions |
| 01:52.26 | tix64 | aphex: i guess it has something to do with initrd. but, alas, i'm not using debians kernel packages. |
| 01:52.53 | *** join/#debian agney (~caravan@200.216.130.13) |
| 01:52.56 | BloodyShade | agney: ae |
| 01:52.56 | aphex | tix64: ok, thanks anyways, before boot though it tells me to append root=/ |
| 01:53.04 | tix64 | rahul: there is? what's it called. |
| 01:53.10 | DMJC | actually rahul.. there's nothing i could have losed. |
| 01:53.15 | mentor | lost |
| 01:53.19 | DMJC | all my data is on a second drive |
| 01:53.23 | simonrvn | aphex: that's supposed to be a device, not a mountpoint |
| 01:53.30 | Bangz-work | anyone know if its possible to compile grub with network support in windows XP? |
| 01:53.35 | Bangz-work | i dont have access to a unix box at work |
| 01:53.35 | skatters | mentor: well, i have orinoco_cs in /etc/modules. when i boot, networking starts, says it can't find eth1, then right before it hits the login prompt i get the orinoco_cs messages. i can then restart networking manually and it sees eth1. |
| 01:53.38 | DMJC | i now have to fuck with stupid bootcds to get my partitions resized. |
| 01:53.41 | dondelelcaro | rahul: you'd have to look at the pts for each of the packages... its possible, but it'd take a hit on the network... |
| 01:53.49 | aphex | simonrvn: well I don't know, thats why I am asking, I don't know what the heck should I append |
| 01:53.55 | DMJC | btw i don't have a floppy drive.. legacy shit |
| 01:54.06 | mentor | skatters: Oh, it's PCMCIA...check the docs fro setting up PCMCIA networking cards. |
| 01:54.12 | *** part/#debian BloodyShade (~BloodySha@200-100-178-10.dial-up.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:54.14 | simonrvn | aphex: the root fs. /dev/hda2 |
| 01:54.16 | dondelelcaro | rahul: probably less than the apt-listbugs did though... |
| 01:54.17 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 01:54.23 | rahul | hrm |
| 01:54.26 | gb | Bangz-work: you'd have to ask sumone familiar with that software |
| 01:54.26 | rahul | can't find it |
| 01:54.34 | *** join/#debian topgun98 (~topgun98@adslct35.cofs.net) |
| 01:54.35 | aphex | simonrvn: mine is dev/hda1 I think |
| 01:54.41 | skatters | mentor: on debian.org? |
| 01:54.48 | simonrvn | aphex: so put that. /dev/hda1 |
| 01:54.50 | gb | ie not grub the other thing you mentioned which I refuse to classify as an os |
| 01:55.00 | topgun98 | anyone know why GNOME's session handler would ignore a .xinitrc in my home dir? |
| 01:55.00 | simonrvn | heh :) |
| 01:55.06 | rahul | DMJC: it's really quite simple. remount / ro and then copy it somewhere else |
| 01:55.09 | aphex | simonrvn: I did that and on boot it tells me "I have no root, I want to scream" |
| 01:55.18 | rahul | topgun98: because it doesn't use xinit? |
| 01:55.19 | simonrvn | topgun98: because it doesn't use .xsession. |
| 01:55.23 | mentor | skatters: No, in the PCMCIA CS package...and probably the general HOWTO aas well. |
| 01:55.25 | rahul | simonrvn: dumbass |
| 01:55.34 | simonrvn | rahul: foozball |
| 01:55.35 | *** join/#debian meliante (~caravan@200.216.130.13) |
| 01:55.37 | topgun98 | simonrvn: that's not working either =/ |
| 01:55.40 | rahul | simonrvn: penixbutter |
| 01:55.46 | kaka | after compiling kernel 2.6 mouse and keyboard is not working , is that because i didn't select the dev file system? |
| 01:55.50 | simonrvn | rahul: lardbutt |
| 01:55.55 | *** join/#debian lighthorse (~me@gso26-207-071.triad.rr.com) |
| 01:56.01 | aphex | simonrvn: I did it like this "append="root=/dev/hda1" is it suppose to be append="/dev/hda1" |
| 01:56.05 | rahul | simonrvn: I'm 120 lbs :P |
| 01:56.13 | rahul | simonrvn: which makes you a dumbass |
| 01:56.14 | simonrvn | rahul: how high? |
| 01:56.15 | topgun98 | revised: does anyone know why GNOME's session handler would ignore a .xinitrc and .xsession in my home dir? |
| 01:56.15 | topgun98 | <simonrvn> heh :) |
| 01:56.21 | rahul | simonrvn: sea level |
| 01:56.27 | simonrvn | rahul: tall |
| 01:56.35 | Bangz-work | is it possible to compile grub and get a boot loader executable, whilst never installing it on that system? |
| 01:56.36 | rahul | simonrvn: 5' 6" |
| 01:56.42 | nvz | aphex: its root=/dev/hda1, has nothing at all to do with append, read the manpage |
| 01:56.45 | mentor | topgun98: BEcause it's a GNOME session handler? |
| 01:56.47 | *** join/#debian pablo_ (~pablo@200.45.158.64) |
| 01:56.48 | simonrvn | rahul: and you perfectly knew what i meant. dumbass |
| 01:56.50 | rahul | topgun98: because it's gnome. it doesn't care about conventions. |
| 01:56.51 | *** part/#debian lighthorse (~me@gso26-207-071.triad.rr.com) |
| 01:56.58 | simonrvn | rahul: you're a shorty |
| 01:56.58 | topgun98 | hmm |
| 01:57.06 | rahul | simonrvn: well, people are lighter when they're higher up |
| 01:57.11 | simonrvn | rahul: i'm 5 10, and ~140 |
| 01:57.11 | gb | hmm we seen your question already, please don't repeat it or most of us will be forced to /ignore if we haven't already :) |
| 01:57.11 | mentor | Bangz-work: For some definitions of 'not installing it on that system' yes,. |
| 01:57.13 | *** join/#debian Comandante_Denis (~Gentoo@200.102.46.92) |
| 01:57.25 | aphex | nvz: yes sir |
| 01:57.28 | rahul | simonrvn: at 100,000 ft, I'd be quite a bit lighter :) |
| 01:57.29 | simonrvn | rahul: only orbiting the planet, or in deep space |
| 01:57.43 | simonrvn | rahul: silly :) |
| 01:57.43 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: nah, you're lighter even if you jump up in the air. |
| 01:57.54 | gb | rahul: I think the colour wouldn't change regardless of elevation :) |
| 01:58.15 | rahul | gb: depends how much oxygen you take with you :) |
| 01:58.17 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: has to do with distance from centre? |
| 01:58.22 | mentor | rahul: Not really. |
| 01:58.28 | rahul | mentor: really. |
| 01:58.32 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, Gm_1m_2/r^2 |
| 01:58.34 | *** join/#debian ugarit (~ugarit@208-59-120-153.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 01:58.37 | gb | rahul: knew you'd come back with something good :) |
| 01:58.44 | mentor | rahul: Only a small amount. |
| 01:58.44 | rahul | gb: :P |
| 01:58.45 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: makes sense |
| 01:58.55 | rahul | mentor: well, only a few percent yeah |
| 01:59.07 | Comandante_Denis | Good Night |
| 01:59.15 | gb | is it? |
| 01:59.24 | simonrvn | early evening here |
| 01:59.26 | nvz | I wonder how many more days aphex will be here with the same issue |
| 01:59.32 | simonrvn | 1234324 |
| 01:59.32 | gb | or are you wishing us a good night, yada yadda |
| 01:59.57 | gb | simonrvn: nah 54321 thunderbirds are go |
| 02:00.09 | The_Ball | is there any free ssl cert signers? |
| 02:00.25 | mentor | The_Ball: I'll do it for free... |
| 02:00.29 | cafuego | The_Ball: You cna make your own |
| 02:00.29 | simonrvn | The_Ball: if there is, let me know |
| 02:00.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: i don,t think he meant self-signed |
| 02:00.44 | cafuego | The_Ball: If that's not an option, www.instantssl.com is cheap. |
| 02:01.07 | *** join/#debian spacey (~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 02:01.07 | *** join/#debian weasel (~weasel@129.187.19.21) |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@213.233.78.42] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@212.86.247.43 *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@202.88.241.78] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@nu.gg] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*blootbot@*] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3 *!*@nat.cable.net.pl] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@* *!~root@*] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net *!root@* pmm!*@*] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@202.129.1.48] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.07 | *** mode/#debian [+q nugg!*@*] by truong.freenode.net |
| 02:01.12 | The_Ball | mentor, cafuego, what i meant to stop browsers from naging |
| 02:01.32 | simonrvn | weee |
| 02:01.34 | gb | naging ? |
| 02:01.43 | gb | in what way about what? |
| 02:01.50 | mentor | The_Ball: Ah, well, probably the quickest way to do that would be to abolish Microsft's root certificates pack :) |
| 02:01.51 | accel | how come when i do apt-get -t testing install k3b it pulls form unstable |
| 02:02.01 | The_Ball | gb, this ssl cert is not signet by verisign and such |
| 02:02.12 | rahul | accel: because you have a pin on unstable? |
| 02:02.15 | *** part/#debian c (~knoppix@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:02.18 | rahul | accel: man apt_preferences? |
| 02:02.19 | *** part/#debian Comandante_Denis (~Gentoo@200.102.46.92) |
| 02:02.23 | rahul | accel: or maybe it's the same version in both |
| 02:02.24 | accel | thanks |
| 02:02.29 | The_Ball | mentor, im up for that |
| 02:02.33 | *** join/#debian knoppix (~knoppix@81.84.141.207) |
| 02:02.49 | accel | how can i check what version is on what apt source |
| 02:02.56 | rahul | accel: apt-cache policy k3b. it only exists in unstable |
| 02:03.04 | accel | oh ok |
| 02:03.04 | natron | anyone have any ideas how to recover a system with an Adaptec 3210S RAID 2ch U160 card (i2o) |
| 02:03.05 | natron | ? |
| 02:03.05 | gb | but I figure if your browser is spewing on something, then configure your browser properly :) |
| 02:03.19 | cafuego | The_Ball: You cna do a self-signed one and make the server also spew out your CA Cert |
| 02:03.20 | LoRez | natron: recover a system? |
| 02:03.24 | debian | natron: what do you mean? |
| 02:03.26 | rahul | natron: boot using a kernel that supports it |
| 02:03.48 | rahul | or hire a private detective to track it down |
| 02:03.48 | debian | natron: first thing first: what failed? |
| 02:03.50 | natron | i need a rescue floppy that supports it ? |
| 02:03.56 | The_Ball | cafuego, it is self signed yes |
| 02:04.05 | debian | rahul: sometime we really need one to investigate what a person asked |
| 02:04.09 | natron | debian: i guess i didn't install the correct scsi driver |
| 02:04.10 | cafuego | The_Ball: Do you have your own CA Cert? |
| 02:04.12 | rahul | debian: true |
| 02:04.12 | LoRez | natron: you haven't built one after you built your custom kernel? |
| 02:04.21 | The_Ball | gb, my browser is not the problem, the users browsers are |
| 02:04.21 | natron | debian: im upgrading from 2.4.18 to 2.6.0 |
| 02:04.31 | rahul | natron: so boot back into 2.4.18 |
| 02:04.31 | debian | natron: k, simple, reboot withthe installation disk |
| 02:04.33 | natron | LoRez: i thought i did |
| 02:04.51 | LoRez | don't remove working kernels from your boot config before you make sure your new kernel works |
| 02:04.51 | debian | natron: 2.6? sorry no help from me. Still 2.4 here. Good to see you. bye |
| 02:04.52 | cafuego | The_Ball: Make a package and have the web server send out the CA Cert as well; "SSLCACertificateFile" keyword. |
| 02:05.01 | The_Ball | cafuego, dunno, what was generated |
| 02:05.11 | *** part/#debian pablo_ (~pablo@200.45.158.64) |
| 02:05.11 | natron | LoRez: i left it there but its not working anymore either |
| 02:05.38 | natron | LoRez: i think the vmlinux is in the wrong place or lilo isn't seeing it |
| 02:05.40 | rahul | natron: boot using the installer disk you used |
| 02:05.45 | *** join/#debian trans_err (~trans_err@user-11faqk0.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 02:06.03 | natron | rahul: and reinstall w/o initializing the hds ? |
| 02:06.07 | *** join/#debian [brand] (~brand@200-181-252-101.fozit7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 02:06.08 | rahul | no |
| 02:06.08 | The_Ball | cafuego, I see, sounds interesting |
| 02:06.13 | LoRez | natron: you did re-run lilo, right? it tells you when stuff's broken when you run it |
| 02:06.13 | debian | natron: I admire you having a working scsi u160 RAID at your disposal for playing with 2.6 though. :) |
| 02:06.14 | rahul | go to the shell and do whatever you want |
| 02:06.28 | natron | LoRez: yea i re-ran it a couple times and i got no errors |
| 02:06.36 | rahul | debian: some people are just rich :) |
| 02:06.37 | natron | debian: thanks :) |
| 02:06.44 | natron | rahul: its my companies |
| 02:06.55 | natron | its an $800 card |
| 02:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 650] by debhelper |
| 02:07.02 | rahul | at this time of day? |
| 02:07.10 | natron | eh? |
| 02:07.20 | rahul | must be one of THOSE time zones. |
| 02:07.29 | natron | eastern |
| 02:07.38 | debian | natron: we measure richness in term of MB/$ :) |
| 02:07.45 | natron | yea hehe |
| 02:08.08 | rahul | debian: MB/$/year-of-life-expectancy |
| 02:08.10 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:daba:ad0a) |
| 02:08.16 | natron | rahul: how do i get to the shell ? |
| 02:08.19 | rahul | I don't need a cheap-ass 200GB disk that will fail after 1 year |
| 02:08.24 | rahul | natron: alt-f3 or something |
| 02:08.28 | rahul | f2 maybe |
| 02:08.38 | debian | in this regard, SCSI is twice as much as PATA IDE, and fourtimes as much with RAID |
| 02:08.44 | knoppix | is it possible to make apt-get work thru biturrent ? |
| 02:08.52 | natron | the installation disk i used i had to install the i20 module from the install menus before i could do anything |
| 02:08.58 | natron | do you think i can still get to the shell? |
| 02:09.03 | *** part/#debian [DarkStar] (darkstar@200227240079-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br) |
| 02:09.07 | debian | rahul: well...adding that SCSI would worth more than PATA. :) |
| 02:09.17 | rahul | natron: maybe you have to go to that point first |
| 02:09.22 | knoppix | is it possible to make apt-get work thru biturrent ???? |
| 02:09.24 | *** join/#debian _grzesiek (~grzesiek@81.26.103.108) |
| 02:09.30 | natron | rahul: i'll give it a shot |
| 02:09.32 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: no, and there's no point. |
| 02:09.34 | debian | rahul: typical MTBF of at normal PATA HD is just 40% that of a SCSI disk |
| 02:09.37 | rahul | debian: and that reliable drives are worth more |
| 02:09.37 | mentor | knoppix: #knoppix; yes. |
| 02:09.44 | *** join/#debian Brixster (~Brixster@pcp04174159pcs.paduca01.ky.comcast.net) |
| 02:09.45 | rahul | debian: it's getting worse |
| 02:09.47 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Of course it's possible. |
| 02:09.51 | knoppix | theres no point ? |
| 02:09.57 | rahul | debian: soon it'll probably be around 25% |
| 02:10.03 | debian | rahul: I wish SATA getting better? nope? :( |
| 02:10.15 | rahul | debian: they're not likely to make the drives any better |
| 02:10.22 | debian | rahul: now I know IDE RAID is so needed. :) |
| 02:10.23 | rahul | debian: at least not the "typical" drive |
| 02:10.36 | rahul | debian: RAID 1, not RAID 0, tho :) |
| 02:10.41 | mentor | bah. Infinniband and Fibre Channel beats your SCSI... |
| 02:10.41 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 02:10.49 | dondelelcaro | mentor: probably, but there currently aren't any tools to do it elegantly, primarily because there's no real point to it. |
| 02:10.51 | knoppix | is this a hardware discussion channel ? |
| 02:11.01 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: no, this is a debian discussion channel. |
| 02:11.11 | rahul | SATA will bring up the high end of the ATA disk selection |
| 02:11.12 | debian | rahul: I'd say RAID 5 so as to hopefully getting 3 times as much MTBF |
| 02:11.15 | The_Vulture | dondelelcaro: beat me to it.. |
| 02:11.20 | *** join/#debian Fiam (~tcpdevil@80.103.142.250) |
| 02:11.25 | rahul | debian: it doesn't exactly work that way. |
| 02:11.36 | *** join/#debian MisterP (~jalopywei@ip68-102-11-55.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 02:11.37 | debian | rahul: in my fantasy world it works. :) |
| 02:11.41 | rahul | debian: it's only 2 times as much MTBF |
| 02:11.46 | knoppix | i thought ive got in the wrong channel |
| 02:11.57 | debian | ~kndffs |
| 02:11.59 | rahul | debian: RAID 5 fails if 2 drives of 3 fail, vs 1 of 1. |
| 02:12.01 | nvz | I have a strange urge to hack together a boring little puzzle game. bbl |
| 02:12.06 | debian | !kndffs |
| 02:12.06 | dpkg | Knoppix is NOT Debian For Fuck's Sake |
| 02:12.10 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: if you're talking about knoppix, which you probably are, you're in the wrong channel. |
| 02:12.26 | knoppix | im talking about debian |
| 02:12.32 | dondelelcaro | rahul: this is why hot spares are around. |
| 02:12.39 | *** join/#debian normalnorm (~normalnor@adsl-64-216-47-252.dsl.lbcktx.swbell.net) |
| 02:12.40 | debian | rahul: right, raid 5 world only be meaningful when there is more than 3 |
| 02:12.48 | *** part/#debian Brixster (~Brixster@pcp04174159pcs.paduca01.ky.comcast.net) |
| 02:12.59 | rahul | dondelelcaro: well, then you're buying 4 IDE drives when you could have bought 1 SCSI drive for the same purpose :) |
| 02:13.08 | debian | rahul: my dumby co-workers would only get at most 3 for each raid 5 array |
| 02:13.14 | dondelelcaro | rahul: who said anything about IDE? ;-) |
| 02:13.31 | trans_err | knoppix: then change your nick and ask your question |
| 02:13.36 | debian | dondelelcaro: right |
| 02:13.42 | rahul | dondelelcaro: we were discussing the unreliability of the IDE drives coming out now |
| 02:13.43 | nevyn | debian: hot spares are good. |
| 02:13.49 | rahul | dondelelcaro: and RAID was the "solution" :) |
| 02:13.50 | debian | dondelelcaro: hot spares and hot chicks are equally needed |
| 02:14.03 | knoppix | why are you agians knoppix ? |
| 02:14.12 | dondelelcaro | rahul: ah. hell, scsi drives aren't reliable enough... |
| 02:14.13 | knoppix | against |
| 02:14.16 | debian | knoppix: what makes you think that way? |
| 02:14.23 | normalnorm | i apt-get-installed kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc, ln -s'd /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1-586tsc /vmlinuz; ran lilo, rebooted, and got a kernel panic "Cannot mount root fs", any ideas? |
| 02:14.24 | trans_err | knoppix: no one is against or for it... this is a debian room |
| 02:14.25 | mentor | mmm...multidimensional RAID 5... |
| 02:14.27 | debian | RAID is good...as long as management are not cheap |
| 02:14.28 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: we're not for or against it. This is just not the place to discuss it. |
| 02:14.43 | *** join/#debian lucas (lucas@202-45-126-237.stabat.com) |
| 02:14.45 | knoppix | knoppix is the same has debian |
| 02:14.53 | trans_err | knoppix: no it isn't |
| 02:14.58 | knoppix | it is too |
| 02:15.02 | trans_err | knoppix: there is a #knoppix room |
| 02:15.07 | knoppix | im banned |
| 02:15.07 | mentor | odg. |
| 02:15.07 | simonrvn | knoppix: no. it isn't |
| 02:15.12 | mentor | knoppix: haha |
| 02:15.16 | trans_err | knoppix: change your name |
| 02:15.18 | tix64 | bwahahaha |
| 02:15.19 | bucky | wonder why |
| 02:15.21 | *** join/#debian Invictus (invictus@216.233.208.75) |
| 02:15.21 | trans_err | knoppix: /nick ... |
| 02:15.23 | knoppix | why ? |
| 02:15.24 | mentor | Oh Yes it is! Oh No it isn't! |
| 02:15.29 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: uh, no, there are serious differences between knoppix and debian. and if you belabor the point, you won't be welcome here, either. |
| 02:15.39 | mentor | trans_err: Ban evasion usually rsults in a Kline. |
| 02:15.45 | lucas | hiyas, i'm having trouble launching 'gnome-theme-manager', it won't launch, i get no errors at the command line... anyone? |
| 02:15.49 | knoppix | whats so difrent ? |
| 02:15.56 | debian | let's look at our pathetic RAID array. Each disk costed US$13000, the entire skeleton costed $150,000 - ONLY 2 DISKS WITH RAID 1 |
| 02:16.03 | trans_err | mentor: it could just be that the knoppix room bans the knoppix nick |
| 02:16.04 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: enough that its not worth discussing it. |
| 02:16.13 | bucky | knoppix, http://www.knoppix.net/ |
| 02:16.20 | knoppix | why is not worth discussing it ? |
| 02:16.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:16.25 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@81.84.141.207] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:16.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:16.26 | debian | (corredction each disk costed $1300 |
| 02:16.30 | bucky | it's been discussed |
| 02:16.31 | simonrvn | beat me to it |
| 02:16.33 | trans_err | here it comes |
| 02:16.57 | *** join/#debian ayanshola (~ayanshola@menilmontant-3-82-66-51-67.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 02:17.00 | *** part/#debian knoppix (~knoppix@81.84.141.207) |
| 02:17.03 | mentor | debian: the 150k was correct? |
| 02:17.18 | simonrvn | wtach, he'll try to rejoin or something |
| 02:17.28 | dondelelcaro | debian: dang. 15K 72G drives? |
| 02:17.32 | *** join/#debian mdo_ (~13h7@p50859393.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:17.35 | debian | mentor: one more zero mistake. sorry. a major exchange conversion erro |
| 02:17.46 | *** join/#debian dman13 (~dman13@roc-66-66-61-253.rochester.rr.com) |
| 02:17.48 | *** join/#debian [hxn] (~uk@dave2069.plus.com) |
| 02:18.03 | debian | dondelelcaro: it's COMPAQ's storage array |
| 02:18.08 | mentor | bleh...you can get a 1TB array for 12k |
| 02:18.09 | simonrvn | eeew |
| 02:18.17 | debian | supported by Linux, but the price is outragous |
| 02:18.21 | simonrvn | @lart compaq |
| 02:18.32 | *** join/#debian pvalley (~pvalley@CPE-24-167-228-52.wi.rr.com) |
| 02:18.32 | debian | the point is that |
| 02:18.44 | debian | what's the point of getting that expensive hardware |
| 02:18.46 | debian | for RAID 1? |
| 02:18.59 | mentor | PHB? |
| 02:19.05 | debian | there's like 7-8 empty slots |
| 02:19.07 | simonrvn | so mgt. can show off the compqa stickers on the servers |
| 02:19.09 | *** join/#debian ljlane (ljlane@bma.tynian.net) |
| 02:19.11 | debian | mentor: bingo. :) |
| 02:19.26 | *** join/#debian xammu (rbsnvexxx@pD9EB3A43.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:19.28 | dman13 | rahul: you'll get a laugh out of this. The first problem was I had the cable plugged into the wrong NIC. I forgot there was a second NIC sitting in the box (I don't know if the other one works, I think it doesn't). Now at least my server receives the DHCPDISCOVER packet. However, it still doesn't work because the machine seems not to receive anything. Oh well. I'm done playing with it for now. |
| 02:19.34 | *** join/#debian Matchless (~lole@200-180-238-235.pltce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 02:19.41 | rahul | dman13: HEH |
| 02:19.43 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: that's why we have the nice compaq rack cases in the front that do nothing, and the real machines in the back. |
| 02:19.44 | *** part/#debian Matchless (~lole@200-180-238-235.pltce7001.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 02:19.52 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hehehehe |
| 02:19.58 | dondelelcaro | s/we have/you should have/ |
| 02:20.20 | *** join/#debian ljlane (ljlane@bma.tynian.net) |
| 02:20.23 | *** join/#debian noor (~root@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-181-132.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 02:20.28 | mentor | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 02:20.58 | simonrvn | just have 1 or two empty shells and the rest are _name_of_favourite_manuf_that_works_well |
| 02:20.59 | dondelelcaro | It's like the dinosaur pen at UCR... the old IBM tape drives dominate the room, but they haven't been used in a decade... |
| 02:20.59 | debian | In my days we struggled with dial up network; now we've problems with too much NIC....Kids these days |
| 02:20.59 | *** join/#debian kf4ebp (kf4ebp@kf4ebp.americainter.net) |
| 02:21.05 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 02:21.09 | debian | dondelelcaro: pray GOD they haven't been used! :) |
| 02:21.12 | simonrvn | blame crappy funding for public schools |
| 02:21.14 | *** join/#debian kissenger (~knoppix@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-181-132.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 02:21.32 | dondelelcaro | debian: actually, I'm glad they're still there... I need to get some data off of a tape. |
| 02:21.39 | *** join/#debian Ecnassianer (ecna@crown-7-65.resnet.ucsc.edu) |
| 02:21.56 | *** join/#debian spenser (~spenser@user-0ce2n05.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 02:21.59 | simonrvn | modconf: test |
| 02:22.00 | modconf | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 02:22.10 | debian | dondelelcaro: anyone actually pull data from them?! I thought everybody just plays quake during yearly drill! |
| 02:22.35 | mentor | 'yearly drill'? |
| 02:22.35 | *** join/#debian cafuego (cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 02:22.35 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 02:22.39 | *** join/#debian tam (~tam@linuxrulesthe.net) |
| 02:22.59 | dondelelcaro | debian: dunno... I never worked in the dinosaur pen... I just knew some of the older monks who worked there... the tape silo attached to the pen is still in good order, though... |
| 02:22.59 | debian | dondelelcaro: I remember when I was in IBM. There's three tape cabinets. One in location one, the second in location two, the third one is 'one the way' |
| 02:23.09 | debian | s/one the way/on the way |
| 02:23.09 | spenser | I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I have an external usb dvd-rw drive. Everything seems to be working ok, except that linux does not recognize any dvd media. if i have a cd in the drive, but it will not recognize a dvd in the drive. any ideas? |
| 02:23.30 | debian | mentor: we must make sure the data in tapes are good every year |
| 02:23.54 | LoRez | spenser: how was the dvd written? |
| 02:24.01 | mentor | debian: Is it a robotic tape library, or is it manual? |
| 02:24.09 | nevyn | spenser: blank media? |
| 02:24.12 | spenser | LoRez: it's one of my movies. |
| 02:24.20 | spenser | nevyn: it's a commercial movie |
| 02:24.21 | mentor | USB? |
| 02:24.32 | debian | mentor: various types |
| 02:24.46 | kissenger | i'm running from a live CD, have installed the distro to HD using a script, but somehow lilo didnt quite get eun correctly. i run lilo using /mnt/hdc2/etc/lilo.conf which i have edited, but i get "Fatal: creat /boot/map~: Read-only file system", so apparently it is trying to create /boot/map on the CD? |
| 02:24.47 | nevyn | spenser: you can't mount a dvd unles you have the dvd filesystem in your kernel |
| 02:24.52 | debian | mentor: it's so good as long as dvd has only up to 4x. :) |
| 02:25.14 | spenser | nevyn: If that is the "UDF" filesystem under "cdrom/dvd" filesystems then I have it compiled in |
| 02:25.37 | spenser | nevyn: I selected to compile all the options under CDROM/DVD filesystems |
| 02:25.40 | debian | While we are at it DON'T BUY NEC DVD RW it makes crappy drives. :) |
| 02:25.53 | mentor | kissenger: er...what live CD? |
| 02:26.02 | *** join/#debian era (~nooneinpa@202-0-42-161.cable.paradise.net.nz) |
| 02:26.07 | spenser | debian: this is a HP DVD300e i am "borrowing from work. :) |
| 02:26.07 | nevyn | debian: IEE1394 dvd rw .. |
| 02:26.27 | kissenger | mentor: feather linux, a knoppix variant |
| 02:26.35 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:26.35 | debian | spenser: I love the idea of stealing from work. :) |
| 02:26.38 | mentor | kissenger: #knoppix. |
| 02:26.48 | kissenger | mentor, thanks |
| 02:27.01 | debian | nevyn: what brand you'd recommend. My NEC 1300A broke after JUST around 100 of burning |
| 02:27.04 | *** join/#debian Shorty` (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 02:27.12 | *** join/#debian knoppix_ (~knoppix@dup-200-95-127-245.prod-infinitum.com.mx) |
| 02:27.29 | spenser | debian: any ideas why it's not working? |
| 02:27.34 | *** join/#debian ljlane (ljlane@66.93.83.133) |
| 02:28.10 | debian | spenser: I got OPC failed. It may not relate to your case |
| 02:28.11 | spenser | When I put in any kind of CD it is fine. but if I have a dvd in the drive it says there is no media present |
| 02:28.17 | The_Ball | i used a small tool to create dummy packages to fix dependency problems, does anybody know the name of the tool? |
| 02:28.52 | tix64 | The_Ball: equivs |
| 02:29.17 | debian | spenser: what kind of buning package? |
| 02:29.22 | The_Ball | tix64, yes thats it, thanks |
| 02:29.25 | normalnorm | i apt-get-installed kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc, ln -s'd /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1-586tsc /vmlinuz; ran lilo, rebooted, and got a kernel panic "Cannot mount root fs, make sure you have the correct root= option", any ideas? |
| 02:29.51 | spenser | debian: I have tried playing movies in ogle and mplayer. also just tried opening the media in k3b. |
| 02:30.31 | debian | normalnorm: what fs is your root fs? |
| 02:30.38 | *** join/#debian polm (~polm@cpe-024-165-199-222.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 02:30.39 | tix64 | normalnorm: i guess there is also a /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1-586tsc. that on has to be used. |
| 02:30.47 | normalnorm | last time it was /dev/hda1, which worked |
| 02:30.50 | normalnorm | tix64: ahh |
| 02:30.54 | normalnorm | cp it where? |
| 02:30.56 | *** join/#debian luisj (~luisj@164.Red-80-24-84.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 02:31.10 | Spi | hi luisj :) |
| 02:31.17 | luisj | h Spi :D |
| 02:31.17 | polm | Why would I use ALSA if I have a SoundBlaster Live and the Emu10k1 drivers seem to be giving me all the functionailty I need from the card. |
| 02:31.18 | tix64 | normalnorm: just make sure your lilo.conf or grub/menu.lst use it. |
| 02:31.25 | normalnorm | tix64: ahh, k |
| 02:31.37 | ljlane | polm, you answered your own question |
| 02:31.52 | debian | spenser: driver problem it seems to me. Sorry out of clue on something I never use |
| 02:32.15 | polm | ljlane: Can I use both ? |
| 02:32.27 | normalnorm | tix64: oh yes - i had the initrd commented out from last time, when i installed a custom kernel. (it's been a while) |
| 02:32.41 | *** join/#debian knoppix_ (~knoppix@dup-200-95-127-245.prod-infinitum.com.mx) |
| 02:32.45 | normalnorm | if i reboot, with this intird line installed, will it cause problems for my old (working) kernel? |
| 02:33.12 | *** join/#debian metalikop| (i@pcp02301767pcs.strl401.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:33.26 | polm | Can I use both ALSA AND Kernel drivers for my SoundBlaster Live ? |
| 02:33.27 | tix64 | normalnorm: the initrd line should be only for one stanza. so, no. |
| 02:33.27 | ljlane | polm, not at the same time on the same card |
| 02:33.40 | normalnorm | tix64: ahh, k |
| 02:33.56 | *** join/#debian schlumpf (~vx_schlum@dsl-082-082-067-068.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:34.02 | mentor | polm: er...ALSA are kernel drivers... |
| 02:34.31 | ljlane | he means ALSA and OSS |
| 02:35.25 | *** join/#debian marcot (marcot@200.216.108.137) |
| 02:35.44 | *** join/#debian kalessin (~crhalpin@pm3-1-209.blueriver.mwt.net) |
| 02:36.22 | *** part/#debian Fyre610 (~galloda@pcp05734535pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:36.27 | *** part/#debian kf4ebp (kf4ebp@kf4ebp.americainter.net) |
| 02:36.37 | bob2 | normalperson: no |
| 02:37.10 | simonrvn | @wb bob2 |
| 02:37.16 | ravenbird | Welcome back bob2, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 02:37.24 | Kraig | lol |
| 02:38.06 | *** join/#debian zetabug (~zetabug@d205-206-20-38.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 02:38.49 | *** join/#debian brc007 (~brc007@ip68-109-131-42.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:39.08 | Serialkiller | how do i amke an encryted password? |
| 02:39.35 | *** join/#debian Justin__ (~justin@169.226.250.136) |
| 02:39.43 | *** join/#debian floppyears (~sdfs@12-203-66-7.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:40.50 | Kraig | how do what? |
| 02:41.07 | Serialkiller | how do i make an encryted password |
| 02:41.12 | *** join/#debian Justin__ (~justin@169.226.250.136) |
| 02:41.20 | The_Vulture | Serialkiller: usually you wouldn't, a secure hash, such as md5 would be better |
| 02:41.30 | *** part/#debian TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc84dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) |
| 02:41.38 | The_Vulture | and if yo uwant to implement the algorithm by yourself, you probably have a lot of reading to do |
| 02:41.40 | ToreSB | Anyone know when 2.6.0 will come into unstable? |
| 02:41.42 | Kraig | SerialKiller: what for? |
| 02:41.49 | k-man | is there a way to get samba to map "filename with space" to filename_with_space? |
| 02:41.54 | k-man | or vice versa |
| 02:41.56 | Serialkiller | i screwed up my password |
| 02:41.59 | Kraig | SerialKiller: maybe you mean how to encrypt it |
| 02:42.04 | Serialkiller | ina database |
| 02:42.06 | LoRez | ToreSB: you've been around long enough to know the answer to that. |
| 02:42.16 | Serialkiller | Kraig: yes |
| 02:42.16 | ToreSB | k-man: Why would you want to do that? |
| 02:42.31 | Kraig | SerialKiller: you root passwd? |
| 02:42.32 | ToreSB | LoRez: I'm sorry if I'm slow, I blame tiredness. |
| 02:42.41 | *** join/#debian Snow-Man (~sfrost@snowman.net) |
| 02:42.45 | LoRez | ToreSB: wir |
| 02:42.46 | Serialkiller | well a admin account in mysql, usinf php nuke |
| 02:42.52 | simonrvn | see ya in a bit |
| 02:42.57 | k-man | ToreSB, LaTeX cannot handle spaces in file names, but i need to access a load of files on a samba server which all have spaces in the names |
| 02:43.16 | k-man | from within latex |
| 02:43.17 | Kraig | Serialkiller: so you wanna become a hacker to de-encrypt it? |
| 02:43.21 | Justin_ | rahul: well, that was not fun |
| 02:43.22 | *** join/#debian knoppix (~knoppix@81.84.141.207) |
| 02:43.30 | ToreSB | k-man: What do you mean? Tried escaping them with a trailing \? |
| 02:43.42 | bob2 | Serialkiller: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:43.43 | Serialkiller | Kraig: no, i just want to go into mysql and change it in the table |
| 02:43.55 | nevyn | debian: to reccomend one I'd need to own one :) |
| 02:44.08 | debian | nevyn: oh well. :) |
| 02:44.18 | Kraig | Serialkiller: you just have to find the algorithm used to encrypt it |
| 02:44.20 | *** join/#debian Dave123 (~liana@65-37-0-19.nrp2.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 02:44.25 | k-man | ToreSB, yeah, i have tried everything... LaTeX just cannot do it, and requires major reengineering to do it... so i was hoping for a different solution |
| 02:44.25 | bob2 | Serialkiller: then actually MENTION mysql. #mysql |
| 02:44.27 | tix64 | ToreSB: new packages are accepted just slowly at the moment. meanwhile get them here: http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ |
| 02:44.50 | Serialkiller | bahh |
| 02:44.58 | Kraig | lol |
| 02:45.00 | *** join/#debian villan__ (~villan@pool-141-154-147-102.wma.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:45.06 | Kraig | ok see ya guys |
| 02:45.10 | ToreSB | tix64: merci. |
| 02:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 644] by debhelper |
| 02:47.06 | rahul | Justin_: what's powq.com? |
| 02:47.07 | *** join/#debian Fyre610 (~Fyre610@pcp05734535pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:47.10 | ToreSB | tix64: Is there any way of adding that as an apt source? |
| 02:47.41 | Justin_ | rahul: my computer |
| 02:47.45 | rahul | k-man: defdoc is the solution :) |
| 02:47.49 | tix64 | ToreSB: well apart from downloading the whole dir and running apt-ftparchive over it, no :) |
| 02:47.52 | Justin_ | rahul: i had him cut the power to my room |
| 02:48.04 | *** join/#debian michal (~michal@ellandroad.demon.co.uk) |
| 02:48.07 | rahul | Justin_: well, it probably killed pump and started dhclient |
| 02:48.10 | Justin_ | so now my desktop is back online, but my u2 is sitting at the silo prompt |
| 02:48.13 | Justin_ | rahul: it didn't |
| 02:48.16 | *** part/#debian zetabug (~zetabug@d205-206-20-38.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 02:48.28 | Justin_ | rahul: i did it on my laptop, it runs the merge thingy for some conf files, then exists |
| 02:48.33 | Justin_ | never brings eth0 back online |
| 02:48.35 | rahul | Justin_: then pump's prerm is stupid |
| 02:48.36 | k-man | defdoc? hmmm |
| 02:48.49 | ToreSB | tix64: Ah, I'll beat my internal laziness. :) |
| 02:48.57 | rahul | Justin_: should have just done ifdown and ifup |
| 02:48.58 | *** join/#debian sts (~sts@212.186.60.100) |
| 02:48.59 | k-man | rahul, can you point me in the right direction? what is defdoc? |
| 02:49.06 | rahul | k-man: it's something I'm working on |
| 02:49.28 | rahul | k-man: it will be the answer :) |
| 02:49.33 | sts | my ,,,|,, command doesnt work ... what i am supposed to do now ? |
| 02:49.46 | Justin_ | rahul: case $1 in remove | deconfigure) pump -k ;; esac |
| 02:49.50 | Justin_ | rahul: whatthe fuck! |
| 02:49.53 | LoRez | sts: your what doesn't work? |
| 02:49.53 | rahul | Justin_: hah |
| 02:49.55 | Sebulba02 | sts: ? |
| 02:50.05 | rahul | sts: ......:::::!!!!!!!!???????? |
| 02:50.13 | sts | ,,|,,, command |
| 02:50.23 | k-man | rahul.... ok... sounds good... something for latex? |
| 02:50.30 | LoRez | sts: what the hell command is that? |
| 02:51.06 | rahul | k-man: no. it will make latex obsolete :) |
| 02:51.06 | k-man | rahul, what time will you finish it? ;) |
| 02:51.06 | k-man | rahul, oh.... |
| 02:51.06 | rahul | k-man: probably never :P |
| 02:51.06 | sts | LoRez: dont u know ,,|,,, ? |
| 02:51.06 | rahul | k-man: www.common-lisp.net and look at the cvs archives for it. I have some working code. |
| 02:51.06 | Elimin8or | would not having the correct Chipset set for your IDE controler card cause the kernel too Hault and say cannot mount root fs on lda1 ? |
| 02:51.06 | LoRez | sts: comma's aren't commands. |
| 02:51.18 | pmiller9 | how do I get speedstepping to work w/ p-4 m laptop? It worked once, but the kernel no longer lists the power states during boot.... it is now always stuck in the "performance" mode (default).. kernel 2.6.0 |
| 02:51.26 | *** join/#debian normalnorm (~normalnor@adsl-64-216-47-252.dsl.lbcktx.swbell.net) |
| 02:51.29 | debian | sts: do you know what is ~~~~~^~~~\o/~~~~~? |
| 02:51.33 | Justin_ | rahul: theres already a bug on pump... |
| 02:51.34 | rahul | k-man: but I haven't written any kind of parser for it. it just uses lisp macros |
| 02:51.36 | LoRez | sts: pipes aren't commands either. |
| 02:51.39 | debian | sts: someone is going to be eaten by shark. |
| 02:51.40 | rahul | Justin_: just one? |
| 02:51.47 | Justin_ | well 1) #224000: pump: don't bring down interfaces during purging |
| 02:51.49 | sts | LoRez: no its the special command. thats only for debian users. |
| 02:51.59 | Justin_ | it doesnt een do that! it _kills_ pump |
| 02:52.01 | rahul | my &&&&&&&&&_&&&&&&& command doesn't work |
| 02:52.03 | normalnorm | with my new kernel (kernel-image-2.4.22) semget() fails, which mean pump can't run, which means i can't connect to the network... any ideas? |
| 02:52.04 | Sebulba02 | uh huh |
| 02:52.05 | LoRez | sts: get off the crack and come back with a real question |
| 02:52.09 | Justin_ | it doesnt run ifdown on any dhcp interfaces |
| 02:52.16 | debian | rahul: haveyou tried 2.6 kernel yet? :) |
| 02:52.23 | rahul | debian: yes, actually ;) |
| 02:52.27 | rahul | Linux photino 2.6.0 #1 Sun Dec 21 23:29:48 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:52.50 | debian | rahul: yeah, I think the problem is that you switched to 2.6.... |
| 02:52.56 | rahul | oh |
| 02:52.59 | *** join/#debian FEN_HIN (~freenode@host8.imagelinkusa.net) |
| 02:53.00 | tix64 | Sebulba02: actually, no. unless you like a fried brain :P |
| 02:53.11 | rahul | well, screw that command. I could never figure out what it did anyway. |
| 02:53.15 | normalnorm | where is semget() implemented? |
| 02:53.23 | rahul | normalnorm: in the kernel |
| 02:53.24 | *** join/#debian SmileR^ (~smiler@c-31c370d5.026-7-6f72652.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 02:53.35 | normalnorm | rahul: do you know what option [dis/en]ables it? |
| 02:53.41 | k-man | rahul, i just found your pdf on defdoc... sounds very nice |
| 02:53.44 | rahul | normalnorm: sysv shared memory |
| 02:53.48 | rahul | k-man: :) |
| 02:53.51 | k-man | rahul, but unfortunately, i need a solution now |
| 02:54.03 | rahul | k-man: yeah, so do I :\ |
| 02:54.08 | rahul | oh well. |
| 02:54.25 | rahul | k-man: I've run into that problem before, actually. just ended up renaming all the files :\ |
| 02:54.37 | rahul | POS messy syntax |
| 02:54.38 | normalnorm | rahul: zeek:/boot# grep -i sysv config-2.4.22-1-586tsc CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSV_FS=m |
| 02:54.48 | Sebulba02 | tix64: heh |
| 02:54.52 | rahul | normalnorm: did you mount the fs? |
| 02:54.56 | rahul | on /dev/shm? |
| 02:55.02 | k-man | rahul, yeah.... thats what I'm going to do too i think... or make temporary files of the correct name... |
| 02:55.11 | rahul | k-man: symlinks, maybe |
| 02:55.13 | k-man | rahul, ooh, perhaps i could do it with symbolic linkx? |
| 02:55.17 | rahul | :) |
| 02:55.21 | normalnorm | rahul: no - unless that was done for me automatically |
| 02:55.23 | k-man | great minds think alike ;) |
| 02:55.25 | rahul | normalnorm: well... |
| 02:55.35 | rahul | k-man: now I just need to get you to learn lisp and start coding :) |
| 02:55.38 | normalnorm | rahul: is that a new thing that we gotta do with the new kernels? |
| 02:55.48 | rahul | normalnorm: it's been that way since 2.4, I thought |
| 02:56.04 | k-man | rahul, re defdoc, isn't docbook trying to acheive the same goals? |
| 02:56.14 | rahul | k-man: no |
| 02:56.19 | *** join/#debian bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) |
| 02:56.37 | *** join/#debian thebug (~rblair@24-56-209-063.mdmmi.voyager.net) |
| 02:56.39 | rahul | k-man: docbook only addresses output, and it's not built around a full programming language as the document language |
| 02:56.41 | normalnorm | rahul: hrm... i went from custom 2.4.19 -> kernel-image-2.4.22 (looking up correct mount command now) |
| 02:56.53 | k-man | rahul, ah, ok |
| 02:57.12 | rahul | k-man: in defdoc, the document itself will be a program data structure. you can define methods on those classes and do anything with the document elements |
| 02:57.17 | bsims | I am having troubles with irssi it won't accept incoming dcc sends but I can send just fine, both send and recieve work great in xchat |
| 02:57.32 | k-man | rahul, well... when are you going to start coding? it sounds great |
| 02:57.35 | rahul | normalnorm: maybe it's the fact that the fs driver is a module |
| 02:57.40 | normalnorm | bsims: are you manually accepting it? |
| 02:57.41 | rahul | k-man: there's already some code. |
| 02:57.53 | rahul | k-man: basic infrastructure is there. classes are defined, etc |
| 02:58.02 | normalnorm | bsims: it might not be set to automatically accept, or even prompt you, when dcc's come in |
| 02:58.11 | rahul | bsims: maybe you need to configure it to work with your firewall properly? |
| 02:58.15 | k-man | rahul, oh... sounds like you could finish it this afternoon |
| 02:58.17 | k-man | ;) |
| 02:58.20 | rahul | k-man: heh |
| 02:58.26 | rahul | gotta clean my room first :P |
| 02:58.32 | rahul | (that could take all week) |
| 02:58.34 | bsims | normalnorm I tried setting it to auto accept and still nada |
| 02:58.47 | k-man | rahul, one thing about TeX that amazes me, is Knuths foresightedness when he developed it |
| 02:58.53 | natron | ok i made it into my system, what is the best way to run lilo now that i'm on the install kernel and all my old filesystems are in /target/* ? |
| 02:59.02 | normalnorm | bsims: can you run irssi in verbose mode? |
| 02:59.03 | natron | can i run "make bootable" from the install |
| 02:59.03 | natron | ? |
| 02:59.19 | bsims | normalnorm: hrm good question |
| 02:59.25 | *** join/#debian xf (~xfesty@trinity.sirion.net.au) |
| 02:59.41 | rahul | k-man: yeah. it's decent. but I've looked at the code. it's SO restricted because of pascal. |
| 02:59.46 | bsims | normalnorm: nope there is none |
| 02:59.50 | *** join/#debian knoppix (~knoppix@81.84.141.207) |
| 03:00.00 | rahul | k-man: half of it is just a bad lisp implementation :) |
| 03:00.02 | xf | howdy, I just used jigdo to build an unstable cd; is debian-installer broken or something? it boots up fine, but there's nothing in the menu to actually *install* debian, only executing a shell/rebooting/checking cdrom integrity |
| 03:00.09 | *** join/#debian Pizon (~fsckoff@64.186.58.109) |
| 03:00.11 | k-man | rahul, really? interesting |
| 03:00.12 | *** join/#debian sal_veya (~ndavey@d141-224-20.home.cgocable.net) |
| 03:00.20 | k-man | rahul, you sound like your a lisp fan |
| 03:00.22 | tix64 | rahul: like every software :/ |
| 03:00.26 | rahul | heh |
| 03:00.30 | sal_veya | hey all |
| 03:00.35 | sal_veya | atrus around? |
| 03:00.38 | *** join/#debian g_manic (~jens@dsl-082-082-155-022.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:00.55 | rahul | k-man: I'm a fan of someting that lets me write software in any way I want. that's lisp :) |
| 03:01.00 | quant | how can i mount /data to /home/user1 and /home/user2 ? |
| 03:01.02 | rahul | I can define new language features and use them |
| 03:01.11 | rahul | quant: bind mount |
| 03:01.17 | normalnorm | rahul: so i should insmod ./kernel/fs/sysv/sysv.o; mount ...? |
| 03:01.24 | rahul | quant: mount it to one of them and then bind mount from that to the other |
| 03:01.26 | xf | anyone? |
| 03:01.30 | rahul | normalnorm: use modprobe, ffs |
| 03:01.39 | quant | rahul: how can you umount then? |
| 03:01.43 | rahul | normalnorm: and use /etc/modules to make it load on boot |
| 03:01.45 | normalnorm | bsims: i'm not seeing many google hits that seem like your problem |
| 03:01.47 | rahul | quant: normally |
| 03:01.50 | quant | if you umount /data it will free all of them wont it? |
| 03:02.01 | bsims | normalnorm: nope and the #irssi channel is useless |
| 03:02.05 | rahul | quant: it probably won't let you until you umount the others |
| 03:02.10 | rahul | quant: fs will be in use |
| 03:02.13 | normalnorm | rahul: i'm gonna just slap sysv in /etc/modules and reboot to the new kernel bbiaw |
| 03:02.16 | bsims | *I* corrected an op in there |
| 03:02.22 | normalnorm | bsims: i just stick to xchat. =\ |
| 03:02.25 | Justin_ | bsims: what was your "problem" again? |
| 03:02.47 | quant | rahul: mount --bind /data /home/user1; mount --bind /data /home/user2 right? |
| 03:02.48 | bsims | cant get dcc get to work on irssi works just fine on Xchat |
| 03:03.06 | *** join/#debian trans__err (~trans_err@user-11faqk0.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 03:03.09 | Justin_ | !tell bsims about doesn't work |
| 03:03.12 | *** join/#debian boffer (~nico@kvalitre.no) |
| 03:03.17 | rahul | quant: something like that |
| 03:03.25 | bsims | Justin_: haha |
| 03:04.01 | Justin_ | bsims: what was your "problem" again? |
| 03:04.17 | rahul | that he doesn't know what the problem is, of course |
| 03:04.25 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 03:04.38 | rahul | if he cared enough to look at what the problem was, he'd have fixed it by now :) |
| 03:04.47 | k-man | rahul, fyi, latex can handle symlinks to files with spaces in their names |
| 03:04.51 | bsims | Justin_: ok I have set dcc_port in irssi to 2000 when I try to dcc get a file I get DCC can't connect to IP port |
| 03:04.56 | rahul | k-man: well, it better :) |
| 03:05.23 | k-man | yeah |
| 03:05.23 | rahul | k-man: it would be doing some seriously messed up shit if it couldn't :) |
| 03:05.25 | k-man | still... not a very elegant solution to my problem |
| 03:05.28 | bsims | Justin_: it works with those settings just fine in xchat, I can dcc send using irssi but not accept |
| 03:05.36 | *** part/#debian xf (~xfesty@trinity.sirion.net.au) |
| 03:05.36 | rahul | k-man: TeX solutions rarely are |
| 03:05.42 | k-man | rahul, hehe |
| 03:05.47 | bsims | I have tried google but its drawing a blank |
| 03:06.02 | *** join/#debian khirano (~wx2k-hrn@o149021.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 03:06.09 | bsims | I have asked in #irssi and was told by a chanop "I dunno" |
| 03:06.24 | bsims | in short, I is annoyed |
| 03:06.28 | quant | rahul: how do you rename a file? |
| 03:06.32 | rahul | bsims: of course he doesn't know. you don't know what is wrong. |
| 03:06.41 | rahul | quant: eh? |
| 03:07.01 | *** join/#debian normalnorm (~normalnor@adsl-64-216-47-252.dsl.lbcktx.swbell.net) |
| 03:07.04 | quant | rahul: i don't know how to rename a file |
| 03:07.15 | natron | can i run the entire debian floopy install process but not initialize any partitions (install the kernel and device drivers but not the base system) and maybe get my system running again? |
| 03:07.15 | normalnorm | rahul: the sysv /etc/modules line didn't help pump |
| 03:07.17 | Justin_ | bsims: set dcc_post back to 0 and try again |
| 03:07.28 | rahul | quant: you move it to another name.... hint hint |
| 03:07.36 | bsims | Justin_: I did I also tried setting them to blank |
| 03:07.39 | rahul | normalnorm: oh, pump. nothing will help pump. |
| 03:07.52 | normalnorm | rahul: b'sides, i'm on a working kernel (2.4.19) and my mtab shows no shm-related mounts |
| 03:07.54 | Justin_ | natron: uh huh |
| 03:07.54 | quant | rahul: oh yes, i forgot lol thanks |
| 03:07.54 | normalnorm | rahul: hehe |
| 03:08.03 | normalnorm | rahul: well, is there some other way i can get on the network? |
| 03:08.14 | *** join/#debian skimpIzu (~hperes@66-108-46-45.nyc.rr.com) |
| 03:08.16 | rahul | normalnorm: using a "dhcp" "client" |
| 03:08.17 | *** join/#debian Shorty` (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 03:08.18 | rahul | hint hint |
| 03:08.23 | *** join/#debian darksys (devzero@213.13.246.52) |
| 03:08.26 | skimpIzu | how can i see the sizes of partitions before mounting them |
| 03:08.30 | rahul | normalnorm: like the one that comes in the BASE install of debian |
| 03:08.38 | *** join/#debian shamoun (~shamoun@c-24-10-48-54.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:08.39 | *** join/#debian God-fearer (~vds@87.206.27.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 03:08.41 | sgeigerbot | skimpIzu: fdisk -l |
| 03:08.49 | rahul | bsims: why don't you use a sane router? |
| 03:08.51 | *** part/#debian darksys (devzero@213.13.246.52) |
| 03:08.55 | rahul | bsims: like one that runs linux? |
| 03:09.04 | sgeigerbot | rahul: security? |
| 03:09.05 | natron | Justin_: ok, i guess thats my last resort |
| 03:09.09 | *** join/#debian Bergmann (~faust@062016160113.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 03:09.19 | rahul | sgeigerbot: impurity? |
| 03:09.23 | normalnorm | rahul: please forgive my ignorance... can you spell it out for me? |
| 03:09.26 | sgeigerbot | rahul: obscurity? |
| 03:09.36 | rahul | normalnorm: uninstlal pump and use the thing that debian ALREADY came with |
| 03:09.44 | normalnorm | rahul: k |
| 03:09.45 | rahul | sgeigerbot: intermittently. |
| 03:09.52 | bsims | rahul: be cause this one has worked with every thing else before, it could well be a irssi issue either help or let me know to set your arrogant ass on ignore |
| 03:10.04 | sgeigerbot | rahul: promiscuity? |
| 03:10.20 | rahul | promiscuous routers, eh? |
| 03:10.52 | rahul | bsims: so use the right settings to get irssi to send the right info over the network because your router is to fucking moronic to do it itself |
| 03:10.56 | *** join/#debian knoppix_ (~knoppix@h00045ae006a2.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 03:11.25 | tix64 | ha, another job well done. |
| 03:11.34 | rahul | heh |
| 03:11.39 | Bergmann | i have a problem with my AC'97 onboard soundcards driver (alsa, via82xx) it plays but then it hangs, xmms just jumps to the next song, and mplayer exits when it has hanged for a while... it has worked before, but after reinstalling my system.. well.. the sound hang :( |
| 03:12.00 | sgeigerbot | ~dickstats |
| 03:12.02 | | methinks dickstats is see bot abuse |
| 03:12.06 | rahul | sgeigerbot: stop peeing on my shoes, you useless bot |
| 03:12.09 | rahul | haha |
| 03:12.24 | rahul | ~sgeigerbotstats |
| 03:12.53 | *** join/#debian caphuso_ (~caphuso@p5083D702.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:13.09 | bztunk | !bot abuse |
| 03:13.13 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:13.15 | debian | !sgeigerbotstats |
| 03:13.37 | *** join/#debian zugzug (foobar@modemcable156.96-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:13.43 | *** join/#debian dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:13.52 | *** join/#debian persick (~persick@ip93-155.dialup.wplus.net) |
| 03:14.23 | *** join/#debian leedo (~leedo@nr1-216-196-135-130.fuse.net) |
| 03:14.47 | zugzug | could anyone help me out ive installed gmplayer but i get error error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0...i dont know what to install |
| 03:14.55 | zugzug | lame is already installed |
| 03:16.01 | rahul | sgeigerbot: you steaming pile of sussudio-waste |
| 03:16.17 | *** join/#debian mike_ (~mike@pcp03570354pcs.wodhvn01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.32 | rahul | zugzug: how did you compile mplayer without that lib and get it to link to that lib? |
| 03:16.53 | tix64 | zugzug: and 'ldconfig -v|grep mp3lame' does show relevant output? |
| 03:17.29 | zugzug | no idea it compiled with no errors mplayer works but not gmplayer |
| 03:17.42 | *** join/#debian Vsaitoo (~d@pcp04355813pcs.glstrt01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 03:17.54 | bucky | when i run make-kpkg modules_image i'm getting an error "The changelog says we are creating 2.4.18-alsa, but I thought the version is 2.4.18" because i previously built a kernel named 2.4.18-alsa, i need a clue |
| 03:17.59 | zugzug | tix64: Cannot stat /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender-1.1.so: No such file or directory |
| 03:18.27 | *** join/#debian felspar (~felspar@h24-81-72-161.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 03:18.45 | mike_ | hi, how can i get k3b to convert mp3's when i make an audio cd? It saying it does not recognise the format?!? |
| 03:18.53 | rahul | zugzug: have you been installing stuff without using dpkg? |
| 03:18.57 | *** join/#debian Gnea (gnea@roc-66-66-118-140.rochester.rr.com) |
| 03:19.08 | zugzug | hmmm yeah tried installing a rpm... |
| 03:19.16 | rahul | mike_: get an mp3 encoder. it's not legal for debian to include them. |
| 03:19.22 | rahul | oh boy |
| 03:19.24 | *** join/#debian Darkie_DJ (~Darkie_DJ@HSE-Quebec-City-ppp130195.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 03:19.27 | debian | mike_: are you sure k3b can convert mp3? |
| 03:19.29 | rahul | zugzug: does this look like #redhat? |
| 03:19.41 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:19.45 | zugzug | hey man i just installed a rpm i dont run redhat |
| 03:19.47 | rahul | bucky: it says to clean |
| 03:19.48 | *** join/#debian Official_Idler (~killerbyt@dsl-082-082-064-121.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:19.54 | bucky | ok |
| 03:20.04 | tix64 | zugzug: i said 'relevant output'. what does 'ls -l `which gmplayer`; which mplayer' show? |
| 03:20.07 | rahul | zugzug: do you install solaris packages on hpux, too? |
| 03:20.19 | felspar | zugzug: Mix and match different packages can put you into a dependency hell unlike any you've ever seen before |
| 03:20.23 | *** join/#debian derobert (~anthony@Maxwell.derobert.net) |
| 03:20.24 | rahul | zugzug: especially ones that come with hpux. |
| 03:20.32 | mike_ | rahul, debian, well im not trying to encode im drying to convert the mp3's to wav so i can burn it to an audio cd |
| 03:20.34 | Gnea | rahul: i installed winxp in linux |
| 03:20.49 | rahul | @penixrape Gnea |
| 03:20.51 | bucky | thank you rahul |
| 03:20.54 | *** join/#debian Acid`X (~acid@200.84.157.34) |
| 03:21.01 | *** join/#debian toasty (~boxcar@co-colspgs-u1-c6d-89.clspco.adelphia.net) |
| 03:21.03 | debian | rahul: I install apt-get in my corporate redhat servers. I'm purifying them. :) |
| 03:21.07 | Gnea | well i had to debug the shit that i don't run SOMEHOW :P |
| 03:21.14 | rahul | bucky: don't thank me. thank the output you ignored. |
| 03:21.18 | debian | !rahulstrike rahul |
| 03:21.19 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit rahul but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 03:21.20 | rahul | debian: heh |
| 03:21.28 | felspar | mike_: the LAME library might help |
| 03:21.36 | Darkie_DJ | hello, anyone ran into problems with Western Digital hard drives with DMA turned on? |
| 03:21.47 | rahul | Darkie_DJ: HAHAHAHAA |
| 03:21.48 | mike_ | felspar, do u happen to know a package name i just installed lame |
| 03:21.51 | Darkie_DJ | ... |
| 03:21.52 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: nope |
| 03:22.00 | rahul | Darkie_DJ: victim. |
| 03:22.02 | debian | Darkie_DJ: what's the problem with WD having DMA turn on? :) |
| 03:22.05 | Darkie_DJ | unfortunately... |
| 03:22.09 | Darkie_DJ | lemme get log |
| 03:22.25 | debian | rahul: victim? Any problems with WD? |
| 03:22.27 | felspar | mike_: Pardon? If you want the package name for lame, use `apt-cache search lame` |
| 03:22.29 | rahul | debian: some manufacturers just don't believe in standards |
| 03:22.31 | rahul | debian: "any"? |
| 03:22.34 | *** part/#debian sts (~sts@212.186.60.100) |
| 03:22.34 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: don't do pasting here |
| 03:22.34 | rahul | bahahaha |
| 03:22.38 | Darkie_DJ | Jan 4 09:58:00 toaster kernel: hdd: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 03:22.38 | Darkie_DJ | Jan 4 09:58:00 toaster kernel: hdd: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 03:22.47 | Darkie_DJ | those were the first two lines |
| 03:22.51 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 03:22.59 | thebug | Darkie_DJ: could be a problem of your controller crapping out with DMA |
| 03:23.01 | *** join/#debian SmileR_ (~smiler@c-31c370d5.026-7-6f72652.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 03:23.06 | *** join/#debian cappicard (~Derek@CPE-24-94-181-193.kc.rr.com) |
| 03:23.06 | Serialkiller | how do i reconfigure a pacheage? |
| 03:23.06 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: is that a custom built kernel or a stock? |
| 03:23.06 | Steven_ | looks like your toaster-harddisk is well-done |
| 03:23.09 | debian | rahul: wd doesn't believe in stardard? Oh God, I recommend WD to anyone I come across |
| 03:23.11 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 03:23.12 | Darkie_DJ | stock |
| 03:23.16 | *** join/#debian rsd (~rsd@dhcp-66-212-200-254.myeastern.com) |
| 03:23.16 | mike_ | felspar, liblame0 is installed what does k3b use to convert the mp3's to wav? |
| 03:23.23 | Serialkiller | rahul: thanks |
| 03:23.33 | Darkie_DJ | I had a Seagate Barracuda with dma on, no problems there |
| 03:23.33 | felspar | mike_: Ah. I don't know. Hang on |
| 03:23.36 | rahul | debian: who needs enemies when they can have friends like you? :P |
| 03:23.45 | debian | rahul: I'm honored! :) |
| 03:24.01 | *** join/#debian aphex (aphex@c-24-10-117-235.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:24.01 | tix64 | mike_: libmad |
| 03:24.09 | *** join/#debian normalnorm (~normalnor@adsl-64-216-47-252.dsl.lbcktx.swbell.net) |
| 03:24.10 | toasty | is there a way to restore all the config files in /etc? |
| 03:24.15 | aphex | alright, my keyboard dies when I start X, any ideas? |
| 03:24.17 | mike_ | tix64, thx |
| 03:24.17 | toasty | to default |
| 03:24.32 | normalnorm | rahul: thank you very much - it's all working now (main trick was to switch to dhclient) |
| 03:24.32 | rahul | aphex: configure the keyboard section correctly |
| 03:24.34 | debian | rahul: only WD didn't drag me into the situation of total hd failure. And any brand of SCSI, of course. |
| 03:24.44 | rahul | normalnorm: pump strikes again :) |
| 03:24.58 | mike_ | tix64, well its installed and k3b is not converting ? |
| 03:25.07 | rahul | debian: I've seen hundreds of WD drives fail |
| 03:25.11 | Darkie_DJ | okay... any ideas? someone suggested I should put pci=noacpi in the kernel boot line |
| 03:25.12 | felspar | mike_: the following link might help: http://www.mp3-converter.com/linux/ |
| 03:25.16 | old_fred | part |
| 03:25.20 | rahul | as in a whole high-school of them |
| 03:25.29 | tix64 | mike_: sounds like a bug. |
| 03:25.36 | debian | rahul: omg. what could I trust |
| 03:25.44 | aphex | rahul: generic keyboard, pc104, should work fine |
| 03:25.47 | Serialkiller | rahul: i need to reconfigure exim, do you know how to do it and make it ask me questions? |
| 03:25.47 | rahul | debian: nothing! :) |
| 03:25.55 | rahul | aphex: is it using the right DEVICE? |
| 03:26.01 | tix64 | Serialkiller: eximconfig |
| 03:26.01 | *** part/#debian zugzug (foobar@modemcable156.96-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:26.03 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: you might want to consider building a custom kernel, making sure that multi-mode is turned on in the IDE section |
| 03:26.04 | felspar | mike_: Okay, use `mpg123` to decode the MP3s to wav beforehand, and then burn the wavs using whatever |
| 03:26.05 | mike_ | felspar, thx i got lame and libmad |
| 03:26.06 | *** join/#debian Jens_Kidman (~Haake@200.72.174.132) |
| 03:26.15 | felspar | mike_: So your good? |
| 03:26.16 | normalnorm | Serialkiller: another way to answer that question: locate exim | grep bin |
| 03:26.17 | rahul | exim is too unimportant to have a debconf interface |
| 03:26.28 | mike_ | felspar, nah still no go with k3b to convert automatically |
| 03:26.39 | Darkie_DJ | okay... lemme see.. |
| 03:26.40 | Serialkiller | tix64 normalnorm you guys rock! |
| 03:26.40 | *** join/#debian kronix (~kronix@wvasu8.resnet.neu.edu) |
| 03:26.41 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: it's no guarantee, but it's fixed such problems i've had with any ide-related device in the past like that |
| 03:26.50 | felspar | mike_: Well you can use mpg123 to convert from MP3 -> wav and then manually burn the wav |
| 03:26.57 | rahul | debian: you're no monk, so you can't defend against that! |
| 03:26.57 | debian | rahul: come one, what brand are you using. |
| 03:26.58 | aphex | rahul: ni device in the keyboard section, do you maybe know how I can figure out what the device is? |
| 03:27.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 654] by debhelper |
| 03:27.00 | debian | on |
| 03:27.06 | rahul | debian: maxtor |
| 03:27.15 | rahul | actually, two maxtors. one ide, one scsi :) |
| 03:27.15 | mike_ | felspar, yah but this is a pc im setting up for a friend who can do such console commands |
| 03:27.19 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: worst case scenario: you could low-level format the drive via the bios (if it's not a POS bios) and reformat |
| 03:27.20 | debian | rahul: so maxtor is up to something until it fails on you |
| 03:27.24 | rahul | aphex: dunno |
| 03:27.33 | felspar | Is "Ping-Priority: 999" a valid entry for /etc/apt/preferences? Or did 'Pin' suddenly become 'Ping'? |
| 03:27.34 | aphex | rahul: heh, thanks anyways |
| 03:27.34 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: or try the drive in another machine |
| 03:27.42 | rahul | debian: shrug, I don't really care about my ide drives |
| 03:27.52 | rahul | aphex: man XF86Config |
| 03:28.07 | aphex | rahul:heh I am reading it |
| 03:28.07 | rahul | felspar: your intuition is correct |
| 03:28.10 | rahul | debian: pah |
| 03:28.19 | Darkie_DJ | hmm... oh yeah, I just bought this hard drive not many days ago |
| 03:28.42 | debian | rahul: I think you care abut your data in it. :) |
| 03:28.43 | Darkie_DJ | and in my kernel I already am using multi-mode by default |
| 03:28.45 | quant | how can you compare a variable like $1 to null? or do you compare against ""? |
| 03:28.58 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: what's the model #? |
| 03:29.04 | rahul | quant: -z |
| 03:29.15 | Darkie_DJ | WDC WD2500JB-32FUA0 |
| 03:29.16 | rahul | debian: nah, I can always rip the cds again |
| 03:29.34 | Darkie_DJ | the western digital 250 GB one |
| 03:29.42 | quant | rahul: "-z" is null? |
| 03:29.54 | rahul | quant: "help test" |
| 03:29.56 | *** part/#debian shamoun (~shamoun@c-24-10-48-54.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:30.07 | quant | huh? |
| 03:30.09 | rahul | debian: well, then you're nearly dead of old age :) |
| 03:30.51 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: right... nice |
| 03:30.57 | Darkie_DJ | yeah... |
| 03:30.59 | sgeigerbot | Why use "mount --bind ..." when you can use symlinks? |
| 03:31.08 | Darkie_DJ | but not nice, since it died in the middle of install |
| 03:31.08 | rahul | heh |
| 03:31.19 | rahul | sgeigerbot: chroot |
| 03:31.28 | zygut | how chow do you extract the version number of a shared library from the library itself? |
| 03:31.35 | debian | rahul: I think I might just as well buying a SCSI. I kinda care about my data. :) |
| 03:31.35 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: so it's a SATA not an IDE? |
| 03:31.43 | rahul | debian: :) |
| 03:31.54 | Darkie_DJ | no... it's IDE |
| 03:31.58 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 03:31.59 | sgeigerbot | rahul: So that you can put certain directories inside of a chroot jail? |
| 03:32.04 | rahul | debian: maxtor (quantum) atlas 10k IV, baby |
| 03:32.13 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: what's the controller like? |
| 03:32.25 | Darkie_DJ | 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 05) |
| 03:32.29 | rahul | sgeigerbot: symlinks won't work if they try to point outside of the chroot |
| 03:32.29 | debian | Gnea: they're just having incompatible connector so that you must buy new mobo for them |
| 03:32.44 | sgeigerbot | rahul: ...which is useful for making a jail, right? |
| 03:32.50 | rahul | sgeigerbot: yep |
| 03:32.54 | debian | rahul: I burnt two maxtor, but I think pass unhappy experience doesn't carry to present maxtor right? :) |
| 03:32.54 | Gnea | debian: hrm |
| 03:32.58 | debian | past |
| 03:33.04 | tix64 | zygut: you can't extract the exact version number. |
| 03:33.06 | *** join/#debian _scp (~scp@pcp01633796pcs.shrpsr01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 03:33.07 | rahul | debian: well, the scsi ones are actually quantum drives |
| 03:33.11 | DelEat | hmm... my seagate IV is failing... |
| 03:33.18 | debian | rahul: oh atlas! yes, I've heard about it |
| 03:33.21 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: you're using one of the newer ide cables? the 80pin/wire? |
| 03:33.26 | Darkie_DJ | yup |
| 03:33.36 | Gnea | have you tried another cable? |
| 03:33.38 | Darkie_DJ | same one I've been using my Seagate Barracuda |
| 03:33.40 | rahul | debian: the 10k IV is amazing. almost as good as the seagate 15k.3 |
| 03:33.49 | rahul | debian: (but not quite :) |
| 03:33.49 | Darkie_DJ | and it was working |
| 03:33.55 | gb | oh no it's caphuso |
| 03:34.02 | Gnea | k... do you have another you can test with? |
| 03:34.02 | debian | rahul: seagate....scsi disk? |
| 03:34.09 | rahul | debian: cheetah |
| 03:34.11 | Gnea | mmmmm scsi |
| 03:34.21 | rahul | debian: 15k ide disks don't exist :) |
| 03:34.21 | debian | Gnea: SCSI! :) |
| 03:34.30 | rahul | and halfway decent 10k ide disks don't either |
| 03:34.31 | debian | gb: SCSI! :) |
| 03:34.31 | sgeigerbot | gb: are you retired? |
| 03:34.32 | Gnea | SCSI still rules, i don't care what anyone says |
| 03:34.32 | gb | especially when raided |
| 03:34.41 | _scp | is there a printed book that goes over debian 3.0? All I see are older ones on barnesandnoble |
| 03:34.42 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@239.mel0704.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 03:34.45 | *** join/#debian Madd (~Madd@p508BD5DF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:34.50 | Madd | hi |
| 03:34.54 | gb | sgeigerbot: yup |
| 03:34.59 | rahul | the raptors are about as fast as the last set of 7200 rpm scsis that came out back... 3-4 years ago |
| 03:35.10 | zygut | tix64: no? |
| 03:35.12 | rahul | _scp: print out the debian users guide |
| 03:35.13 | sgeigerbot | gb: Because of the stock market or because you're up there...? |
| 03:35.21 | rahul | _scp: go to kinkos or something |
| 03:35.25 | tix64 | zygut: no. |
| 03:35.37 | felspar | Has anyone seen this error before? command was: `apt-get install festival` |
| 03:35.38 | felspar | install-sgmlcatalog: '--install' option is deprecateddpkg: error processing festival (--configure): |
| 03:35.40 | *** join/#debian jstevens (~jstevens@user-0c931m8.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:36.11 | jstevens | how can I tell if a device is responding to the LPT port? ... got a printer I'm torubleshooting |
| 03:36.17 | _scp | rahul: :) So that's better than orielly's running debian? (excuse me if I am sounding like a moron, I am a soon to be convert from redhat) |
| 03:36.25 | Gnea | jstevens: cat yada > /dev/lp0 |
| 03:36.27 | Gnea | errr |
| 03:36.33 | Gnea | jstevens: echo yada > /dev/lp0 |
| 03:36.36 | Gnea | it should print that |
| 03:36.44 | zygut | tix64: can you get an approximation? I was under the understanding that the SONAME is not just indicated by the filename of the library, but is also information that is stored in the library itself |
| 03:37.01 | jstevens | LOL.. permission denied |
| 03:37.15 | Gnea | where's root when ya need it :P |
| 03:37.21 | zinx | SONAME is stored inside the library |
| 03:37.24 | *** join/#debian Brutus (Brutus@bzq-219-206.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 03:37.35 | zinx | it's a field in the dynamic section |
| 03:37.40 | sgeigerbot | _scp: In my experience, you don't need the newest printed documentation on Debian. Things are still pretty much similar to how they were a while ago. Anything newer you can learn about in this channel. |
| 03:37.43 | jstevens | yeah... <grin> ... that's what the 'su' command is for though |
| 03:37.46 | rahul | _scp: hell yeah |
| 03:37.56 | zygut | zinx: so you should be able to extract it right? |
| 03:37.58 | rahul | _scp: oh, and the docs that come with all the packages in deiban |
| 03:38.03 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: like RTFM? ;) |
| 03:38.05 | sgeigerbot | _scp: There's so much to learn. Just start... |
| 03:38.07 | rahul | _scp: and the rest of the docs on debian's site |
| 03:38.20 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Well, I wouldn't tell people to do something that I wouldn't do. ;-) |
| 03:38.21 | zygut | zinx: dynamic section of what? |
| 03:38.28 | jstevens | Gnea: thanks |
| 03:38.39 | Madd | i need some help to run lufs. i installed how it discriped, but my system don't know what the sshfs is :( |
| 03:38.41 | Darkie_DJ | anything else I can do with my drive? |
| 03:38.49 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: how anyone can get any number of things done w/o RTFM is beyond me |
| 03:39.08 | Gnea | jstevens: good luck - btw, what printer is it? |
| 03:39.10 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Begging online for info. |
| 03:39.21 | *** join/#debian florz (~florz@2002:d406:4c19:0:1234:5678:90ab:cdef) |
| 03:39.23 | Gnea | i see people do that a lot |
| 03:39.24 | *** join/#debian aphex (aphex@c-24-10-117-235.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:39.26 | _scp | sgeigerbot, rahul: thanks! |
| 03:39.30 | Gnea | just hit up google |
| 03:39.41 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I took some liquid sleep, ugh, first day back at school tomorrow |
| 03:39.51 | debian | _scp: if you really want a printed document of Debian, you can buy the one published by O'Reilly. But mind you, the lastest one is severely outdated. :) |
| 03:40.00 | _scp | sgeigerbot: does Debian 3.0 still install a 2.2 kernel by default |
| 03:40.01 | Darkie_DJ | I did... no luck... I just found people having problems with using it with DMA on |
| 03:40.09 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Man, sometimes there's too much info to read, and you don't know where to begin. If you do your homework and then ask questisons, well, that's okay....but it can still sometimes look as if you haven't done your homework... |
| 03:40.11 | _scp | debian: thanks! I appreciate it |
| 03:40.17 | Gnea | _scp: you can choose between 2.2 and 2.4 but yeah, 2.2 is the default |
| 03:40.18 | beta3 | _scp: you can choose 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 03:40.26 | aphex | how can I figure out under what device the keyboard is |
| 03:40.32 | zygut | zinx: objdump -p filename | grep SONAME |
| 03:40.32 | _scp | Gnea, beta3: thanks... |
| 03:40.35 | gb | sgeigerbot: because of health |
| 03:40.39 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: depends on the answer |
| 03:40.40 | debian | Darkie_DJ: I haven't followed your case closedly, but have you checked the kernel option to see if it compiles IDE support ofyour mobo correctly? |
| 03:40.41 | _scp | off to read read read read read :) |
| 03:40.47 | sgeigerbot | _scp: I would recommend learning to compile your own kernel. That's one of the first things I do on a freshly installed system. |
| 03:40.49 | beta3 | _scp: its default if you mean, hit enter at the boot prompt, otherwise you type bf24 and you can install a 2.4 |
| 03:41.02 | The_Ball | i need ldap.h, which package had that? |
| 03:41.05 | sgeigerbot | gb: what happened? |
| 03:41.11 | _scp | sgeigerbot: I know how.. not new to Linux ... just debian |
| 03:41.34 | aphex | hey my keyboard dies when I start X, does anybody know how I can fix that |
| 03:41.47 | gb | sgeigerbot: dropped dead from a cva |
| 03:41.57 | _scp | beta3: what about ext3? |
| 03:41.58 | Darkie_DJ | hmm... it was working with my Barracuda hdd before, and it had DMA on |
| 03:42.04 | sgeigerbot | ~+cva |
| 03:42.27 | beta3 | _scp: if you install with 2.4 you have option of ext3,ext2, and reiserfs(reccomended) |
| 03:42.34 | gb | then I recovered after spending a while on life support, then I quit my job when the ceo insisted on working against me on every aspect of network admin |
| 03:43.15 | localhost | The_Ball: libldap2-dev |
| 03:43.24 | rahul | beta3: you dare recommend resierfs? |
| 03:43.25 | gb | now I just take life easy, contemplating how to best put corporates out of business permanently |
| 03:43.29 | _scp | beta3: how about a "kickstart" like functionality, is that available.. (like a config file for the installer? and an FTP server?) |
| 03:43.33 | beta3 | rahul: yes |
| 03:43.35 | rahul | beta3: you're making yourself look worse and worse |
| 03:43.37 | zygut | rahul: I've had good experiences with reiserfs |
| 03:43.40 | The_Ball | localhost, ah, thanks a lot! |
| 03:43.43 | *** join/#debian wacko_- (~wacko_-@cs6625201-79.austin.rr.com) |
| 03:43.46 | beta3 | zygut: reiserfs is great |
| 03:43.52 | *** join/#debian dsd (~es@dialup-67.74.32.148.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net) |
| 03:44.03 | zygut | rahul: ext3 doesn't fit the bill when you need b-tree indexes |
| 03:44.04 | rahul | I will not use an FS that has no viable repair mechanism |
| 03:44.07 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Great as a filesystem? ;-) |
| 03:44.11 | zygut | rahul: backups |
| 03:44.17 | rahul | zygut: neither does reiserfs when you need data |
| 03:44.28 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: yes, and remember everything Hans Reiser says, really just comes out of his ass |
| 03:44.36 | localhost | The_ball: apt is useful for helping find files in packages /msg apt find ldap.h would find it for you. |
| 03:44.37 | fooz | backups are for the worst case. in reiserfs, every case is the worst case |
| 03:44.40 | fooz | that's no good |
| 03:44.46 | Darkie_DJ | hmm... |
| 03:44.48 | fooz | it can take hours or days to restore backups |
| 03:44.50 | gb | reiserfs & lvm don't seem to work too well together |
| 03:44.55 | *** join/#debian Bac9 (~Bac9@9.PPP.TOR3.enoreo.on.ca) |
| 03:44.55 | fooz | if you have any signifigant amount of data |
| 03:44.58 | Darkie_DJ | would Reiserfs make a difference? |
| 03:44.59 | zygut | fooz: I've had numerous crashes with huge reiserfs partitions and it has been able to recover fine |
| 03:45.04 | zygut | gb: not true! |
| 03:45.06 | rahul | reiserfs and anything don't seem to work well together |
| 03:45.07 | *** join/#debian wacko_- (wacko_-@cs6625201-79.austin.rr.com) |
| 03:45.08 | rahul | Darkie_DJ: no |
| 03:45.12 | zygut | gb: I use reiserfs and LVM on three systems |
| 03:45.14 | fooz | zygut, luck. |
| 03:45.16 | zygut | gb: no problems |
| 03:45.22 | gb | it could be the same on an fs though I suppse if you remove the volume used to index the rest |
| 03:45.23 | caphuso | zygut: lucky you. i've never managed to repair any broken reiserfs filesystem |
| 03:45.23 | sgeigerbot | fooz: you should store backups on hard drives elsewhere on your LAN. |
| 03:45.24 | zygut | fooz: or good system administration |
| 03:45.24 | beta3 | reiser with lvm is the best way to deal with it |
| 03:45.28 | Darkie_DJ | oh right... my ext3 got trashed. |
| 03:45.31 | beta3 | reiser is the only thing that can expand live |
| 03:45.38 | beta3 | iirc |
| 03:45.41 | beta3 | I may be wrong |
| 03:45.41 | fooz | beta3, wrong.. |
| 03:45.47 | fooz | zygut, no. definitely luck |
| 03:45.48 | beta3 | fooz: what else, xfs? |
| 03:45.51 | rahul | beta3: wrong |
| 03:45.53 | fooz | zygut, the problem is not when your system crashes.. |
| 03:45.55 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@200.90.0.242) |
| 03:45.59 | fooz | zygut, it's when reiserfs itself has a bug and eats your data |
| 03:45.59 | zygut | beta3: you are wrong, others do it too |
| 03:46.01 | *** part/#debian Bac9 (~Bac9@9.PPP.TOR3.enoreo.on.ca) |
| 03:46.05 | gb | but since that failed volume experience I didn't touch reiserfs again |
| 03:46.09 | *** join/#debian Dewi (~dewi@dsl-203-113-211-99.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 03:46.14 | zygut | fooz: yeah, you might be talking about the past |
| 03:46.16 | beta3 | zygut: well, whatever, reiserfs still the best fs :) |
| 03:46.16 | fooz | beta3, all the others. ext2, ext3, xfs, jfs.. maybe with third party patches, but still |
| 03:46.19 | gb | ext3 seems to manage everything I need just fine |
| 03:46.26 | beta3 | scratch third party patches |
| 03:46.30 | _scp | gb: diito |
| 03:46.33 | fooz | beta3, xfs can't shrink (unless they changed it) |
| 03:46.34 | rahul | zygut: reiserfs STILL has no decent recovery tool |
| 03:46.35 | gb | if I want it to go faster then I employ faster drives |
| 03:46.37 | zygut | gb: try using ext3 when you have filesystems with over 20,000 files in a directory structure |
| 03:46.41 | beta3 | fooz: I know, it sux |
| 03:46.42 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@sdn-ap-006dcwashP0443.dialsprint.net) |
| 03:46.47 | beta3 | fooz: jfs can't either iirc |
| 03:46.52 | fooz | zygut, hehe, I use ext3 with over 200,000 files in one directory |
| 03:46.55 | fooz | works fine |
| 03:46.59 | Serialkiller | when doing rsync from one host to another do you have to have rsync install on the on your copying from? |
| 03:46.59 | rahul | no one who uses xfs cares about shrinking their filesystems |
| 03:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 646] by debhelper |
| 03:47.01 | *** join/#debian Shorty- (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 03:47.01 | sgeigerbot | gb: cva? |
| 03:47.09 | rahul | it's not like you're likely to do that anyway. |
| 03:47.14 | zygut | fooz: you must not be doing much with it then |
| 03:47.17 | rahul | Serialkiller: yes |
| 03:47.20 | gb | zygut: I'm not silly enough to put so many entries into one directory :P |
| 03:47.24 | fooz | zygut, whatever you say |
| 03:47.26 | beta3 | caphuso: htree is what? |
| 03:47.30 | zygut | gb: not one directory |
| 03:47.31 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 03:47.35 | beta3 | caphuso: is that whats the experimental feature of ext3 |
| 03:47.52 | Gnea | Darkie_DJ: i've found little in regards to issues with the drive with dma.. some other issues but nothing about resolvedness |
| 03:47.54 | Serialkiller | rahul: thanks |
| 03:47.59 | zygut | rahul: what is /sbin/fsck.reiserfs |
| 03:48.01 | *** join/#debian brlracu (~racu@211.20.100.139) |
| 03:48.07 | fooz | zygut, useless |
| 03:48.07 | beta3 | ~start a filesystem war |
| 03:48.10 | Darkie_DJ | yeah.. that's what I found... |
| 03:48.11 | fooz | heh |
| 03:48.16 | *** join/#debian Art_ (~art@12.72.85.85) |
| 03:48.16 | gb | zygut: to cut the discussion short i've not had issues with ext3 :) |
| 03:48.17 | caphuso | beta3: http://people.nl.linux.org/~phillips/htree/paper/htree.html |
| 03:48.19 | rahul | zygut: /bin/true |
| 03:48.27 | Darkie_DJ | I did download the tool from WD.. ran it, the tool said no problems.. |
| 03:48.32 | zygut | fooz: oh? is that why it was able to recover my filesystem everytime the system has crashed? |
| 03:48.35 | _scp | beta3: did you get my question about kickstart-like functionality? |
| 03:48.50 | brlracu | i have a strange problem .. i got a mail from some enew@star.....com.tw when i open in evolution hangs? |
| 03:48.58 | rahul | zygut: the system crashing is irrelevant |
| 03:49.13 | zygut | gb: yeah, I use it for my system disks that don't change a lot and don't have terabytes of data in them |
| 03:49.19 | rahul | zygut: that just means that journalling is working. |
| 03:49.27 | *** join/#debian HippYBouH (~HippY@ABordeaux-204-1-1-102.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:49.36 | fooz | if his system crashes, he doesn't have good system administration.. |
| 03:49.42 | rahul | that too |
| 03:49.45 | zygut | rahul: well, just because you have had a bad experience doesn't write it off as useless |
| 03:49.51 | beta3 | _scp: tasksel does something like that |
| 03:50.00 | beta3 | _scp: its part of the installer |
| 03:50.01 | rahul | zygut: I haven't been foolish enough to have a bad experience |
| 03:50.02 | brlracu | adminstration is thankless job |
| 03:50.04 | zygut | fooz: yeah that makes a lot of sense, do you think I write the linux kernel? |
| 03:50.18 | _scp | beta3: thanks... and sorry to start the fs flamewar :) |
| 03:50.27 | brlracu | most of the blame shold also go to the management to choosing to work on unstable W platforms |
| 03:50.27 | fooz | zygut, hey, I never have any crashes.. maybe reiserfs crashes your kernel |
| 03:50.28 | zygut | rahul: <shrug> manage multi-terabyte archives and you'll change your tune |
| 03:50.43 | *** part/#debian aphex (aphex@c-24-10-117-235.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:50.46 | rahul | zygut: I'll start using an error-prone and non-recoverable FS? |
| 03:50.53 | zygut | fooz: yeah, sure |
| 03:51.05 | Gnea | garson:~# df | grep ext3 | wc -l |
| 03:51.05 | Gnea | 4 |
| 03:51.08 | fooz | #debian is funny tonight |
| 03:51.12 | Darkie_DJ | gah this sucks... |
| 03:51.15 | rahul | zoof: it's sunday night |
| 03:51.23 | zygut | rahul: nary a problem in the last year of use and massive speed ups experienced over ext3 |
| 03:51.28 | Darkie_DJ | oh well... but thank you for your help |
| 03:51.28 | belracu | its monday morning |
| 03:51.56 | rahul | zygut: haha. |
| 03:52.00 | zygut | anyways, if you wanted to make an argument about reiserfs having problems, get your facts straight, the current problem with reiserfs is its inability to deal with bad-blocks |
| 03:52.11 | fooz | that's a major problem in itself |
| 03:52.12 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@64.126.164.241) |
| 03:52.13 | rahul | zygut: and inability to recover from bugs. |
| 03:52.20 | fooz | but it's just one of many problems |
| 03:52.24 | zygut | rahul: blahblahblah |
| 03:52.25 | rahul | every single other FS has a recovery tool |
| 03:52.32 | zygut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.38 | rahul | I've recovered files from a _failed_ disk |
| 03:52.45 | rahul | zygut: that does nothing, by definition |
| 03:52.46 | _scp | ahhh ... its a full moon tonight... |
| 03:52.55 | fooz | the reiserfsck tool is more likely to segfault or screw up the filesystem even worse than to actually fix anything |
| 03:52.58 | Gnea | _scp: almost.. not quite |
| 03:52.59 | zygut | _scp: is it really? |
| 03:53.07 | rahul | zygut: you need to learn why you wanted to install reiserfs in the first place... |
| 03:53.08 | Gnea | give it another night or 2 |
| 03:53.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:53.11 | zygut | fooz: in your experience |
| 03:53.16 | belracu | yes i lost my data with reiserfs |
| 03:53.25 | fooz | zygut, yeah, and in rahul's, and in lots of other folks' |
| 03:53.28 | belracu | i thing xfs is better in a way |
| 03:53.29 | rahul | fsck.reiserfs doesn't do _anything_ |
| 03:53.30 | zygut | rahul: you need to shut your mouthm you wanna fight tough guy! lets go outside! |
| 03:53.39 | fooz | heh |
| 03:53.42 | rahul | heh |
| 03:53.42 | zygut | jeez some people |
| 03:53.44 | nevyn | rahul: it doesn't do anything on a live filesystem. |
| 03:53.51 | _scp | Gnea: hmmm.. well .. it's close enough to blame :) |
| 03:53.52 | nevyn | which is slightly different but still annoying. |
| 03:54.06 | zygut | I think I'll troll on #debian tonight and be really annoying |
| 03:54.13 | fooz | zygut, you already are |
| 03:54.14 | Gnea | _scp: blame it on dark crescents ;) |
| 03:54.14 | rahul | zygut: too late |
| 03:54.17 | fooz | hehe |
| 03:54.22 | _scp | Gnea: ehehe |
| 03:54.24 | zygut | rahul: yep, too late, you beat me |
| 03:54.43 | _scp | ouch |
| 03:54.50 | rahul | zygut: right... someone who has only known of something for a year and doesn't even know what features it has is qualified to tell others that they're wrong |
| 03:55.06 | rahul | others who have followed the same thing for over 4 years. |
| 03:55.06 | *** join/#debian resist148 (~resist148@adsl-66-122-66-107.dsl.anhm01.pacbell.net) |
| 03:55.13 | *** join/#debian reverb2 (~joel@203-96-145-159.adsl.paradise.net.nz) |
| 03:55.34 | somiaj | anybody know of another source for libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb, the one from the install-css.sh script (www.dtek.chalmers.se) is timing out when trying to connect to it. |
| 03:55.38 | *** join/#debian crow (~nixnut@h24-68-24-7.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 03:55.39 | Gnea | rahul: hey, i've been using debian for over 4 years, and still, once in a great while, i miss something - it happens |
| 03:55.43 | De_Mon | whats a nice X mp3 player that does visual effects |
| 03:55.49 | *** join/#debian deadcat (cwong47@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us) |
| 03:55.51 | *** join/#debian meliante (~caravan@200.216.130.13) |
| 03:55.52 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 03:55.52 | rahul | Gnea: I've specifically studied these things |
| 03:56.17 | Gnea | rahul: aaah but not everyone has the time to do that |
| 03:56.18 | rahul | Gnea: beta-tested, even. and never lost a full FS because of the FS. |
| 03:56.29 | zygut | rahul: thats great, so have I |
| 03:56.35 | Gnea | and not everyone has the same hardware |
| 03:56.36 | rahul | Gnea: but some people have the time to claim that those who do are trolls |
| 03:56.38 | fooz | Gnea, yeah but that's no excuse to spread ignorance as truth |
| 03:56.44 | rahul | Gnea: my hardware failed. |
| 03:56.47 | deadcat | when doing a dd on one drive to another. do they both have to be the same size? does dd do /dev/hda or /dev/hdaX? |
| 03:56.48 | Gnea | rahul: but of course |
| 03:56.48 | somiaj | De_Mon: xmms is quite popular, though you may have to hunt arond to find a nice visual plugin for it...(it may be able to use some winamp plugins) |
| 03:56.53 | resist148 | im trying to get a usb mouse working on my laptop, i recompiled the kernel with all the options that you need, did a mknod on /dev/input/mice, and I added the /dev/input/mice into my XF86Config-4, but the mouse still isn't working, does anyone any idea for me? |
| 03:56.53 | rahul | my files were recovered |
| 03:57.03 | rahul | thank god I wasn't foolish enough to use resierfs |
| 03:57.05 | *** join/#debian aldug (~aldug@alb-24-194-184-214.nycap.rr.com) |
| 03:57.10 | Gnea | rahul: hardware failed? sux2Byou! ;) j/k heh |
| 03:57.23 | rahul | Gnea: well, I got the files off (most of them) |
| 03:57.28 | De_Mon | somiaj it comes with some, yes? |
| 03:57.33 | rahul | the disk was getting bad blocks left and right |
| 03:57.34 | Gnea | rahul: cool |
| 03:57.49 | rahul | but, I wasn't using reiserfs, so I could get most of the data off |
| 03:58.04 | tix64 | De_Mon: apt-get install xmms ; apt-cache --names-only search xmms |
| 03:58.08 | crow | anyone know what the default username & password for proftpd is please?? |
| 03:58.08 | somiaj | De_Mon: the ones that it comes with are crap if ya ask me, but it would surpise me if you can't find any nice ones you just may need to look. |
| 03:58.08 | De_Mon | 2megs it better do something besides play audio :) |
| 03:58.13 | rahul | resist148: cat /dev/input/mice andmove the mouse around |
| 03:58.39 | zygut | rahul: huh, same thing happened to me last week when the neighborhood transformer blew, dropped kicked the rack's line-conditioning UPS, destroyed the motherboard on the system that has 12 terabytes of mailing list archives archived back to 1999. When I swapped it out, up it came, and reiserfs recovered things fine. |
| 03:58.41 | Gnea | rahul: i've had some hoaky experience with reiserfs... still got 2 partitions with it, until i get everything reorganized it's gonna stay that way |
| 03:58.51 | rahul | zygut: your disks failed? |
| 03:58.53 | *** join/#debian vile_maxim (jim@ip68-0-51-143.no.no.cox.net) |
| 03:58.53 | somiaj | De_Mon: it has a winamp feel and usage if ya have ever messed with winamp that is... |
| 03:58.56 | resist148 | rahul: nothing happens |
| 03:58.57 | *** join/#debian Dewi (~dewi@dsl-203-113-211-99.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 03:58.57 | Gnea | rahul: but then that's out of like 20 partitions heh |
| 03:58.59 | fooz | heh |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*blootbot@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@nu.gg *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@202.88.241.78 *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@212.86.247.43] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.42] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net nugg!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@202.129.1.48 *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.12 | *** mode/#debian [+qq pmm!*@* *!root@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 03:59.16 | Gnea | bewm. |
| 03:59.33 | rahul | zygut: you seem to not know the difference between an unclean shutdown and a failed disk. |
| 03:59.35 | zygut | rahul: no, but the week before I found that the system had a IBM deathstar which started to click and then flailed everywhere, reiser recovered fine |
| 03:59.46 | fooz | rahul, he has magical disks that fail only temporarily |
| 03:59.50 | rahul | heh |
| 03:59.52 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 03:59.56 | rahul | zoof: and then all the data comes back |
| 04:00.10 | zygut | rahul: and it was my ext3 /var partition that I had to recover from tape! |
| 04:00.15 | rahul | zygut: did any data physically on the disk get lost? |
| 04:00.21 | *** part/#debian marcot (marcot@200.216.108.137) |
| 04:00.23 | fooz | maybe he's right. maybe hans reiser himself actually wrote a working reiserfsck for him, and that's why it works for him |
| 04:00.26 | vile_maxim | When compliing a new 2.4 kernel, one should pick the athlon/duron/k7 for a AMD Athlon XP processor huh? |
| 04:00.30 | rahul | zygut: did resierfs have to recover from ANYTHING? |
| 04:00.37 | zygut | rahul: your face |
| 04:00.40 | natron | hmm, reinstalling the kernel and drivers from the install disks didn't work, now i get the same panic with all 3 kernels. I can however mount all the filesystem from the rescue disk... any other thoughs, i'm hurtin here? |
| 04:00.41 | rahul | zoof: lucky guy |
| 04:00.45 | Gnea | everytime i see reiserfsck i read it as reiserfuck at first |
| 04:00.52 | fooz | Gnea, that's about right |
| 04:00.56 | rahul | Gnea: that's the point |
| 04:00.57 | Gnea | fooz: ;) |
| 04:00.58 | De_Mon | somiaj im going to be playing audio through the tv, just need something, thanks. |
| 04:01.16 | debian | reiserfsck is an fscking long command. :) |
| 04:01.22 | De_Mon | tix64 those'll keep me busy, thanks |
| 04:01.23 | vile_maxim | I keep on getting a kernel panic |
| 04:01.28 | Gnea | natron: this is a fresh install? |
| 04:01.32 | rahul | natron: that won't FIX anything. it will let you get to the shell so you can fix it |
| 04:01.33 | zygut | rahul: yes, quite a bit of the data in the /var ext3 partition wwhich I had to recover from tape |
| 04:01.47 | zygut | rahul: the reiserfs partition had damage, which was repairable |
| 04:01.50 | rahul | zygut: and nothing was distrupted on the reiserfs partition. |
| 04:02.12 | fooz | maybe it was ext3 during the 2.2 kernels |
| 04:02.27 | rahul | zoof: scary |
| 04:02.32 | zygut | rahul: and how would have ext3 saved me? |
| 04:02.41 | natron | rahul: do you have any ideas how to fix it? I think none of the kernels are loading my dpt_i2o-2_4_18 module |
| 04:02.43 | fooz | zygut, it has an fsck that works |
| 04:02.48 | zygut | rahul: I found no way to recover the data on the ext3 partition except through restoring backups |
| 04:02.53 | fooz | i need to recompile everything |
| 04:02.57 | zygut | fooz: it wasn't able to deal with it |
| 04:02.59 | rahul | zygut: that's your laziness |
| 04:03.04 | zygut | rahul: oh? |
| 04:03.05 | fooz | zygut, yeah, sure |
| 04:03.11 | zygut | rahul: and it is yours to not explain your vitriol |
| 04:03.20 | natron | Gnea: nope |
| 04:03.21 | rahul | natron: compile a kernel with what you want... |
| 04:03.23 | zygut | rahul: so how was I lazy? |
| 04:03.26 | fooz | it's cool that you can use propolice inside the kernel itself |
| 04:03.26 | De_Mon | apt define vitriol |
| 04:03.28 | | De_Mon: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:03.34 | natron | Gnea: i'm trying to recover my kernel that i messed up |
| 04:03.39 | rahul | zoof: propolice? |
| 04:03.42 | De_Mon | hum? |
| 04:03.43 | zygut | rahul: considering that restoring from tape is not fast and I didn't want to waste time |
| 04:03.47 | fooz | rahul, gcc stack smashing patch |
| 04:03.50 | resist148 | so what does it tell me if I USB mouse doesn't show me anything when I cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse around? Is something configured wrong? |
| 04:03.50 | Gnea | natron: build a new one from scratch |
| 04:03.52 | De_Mon | apt define KCI |
| 04:03.54 | | De_Mon: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:03.57 | fooz | rahul, http://www.trl.ibm.com/projects/security/ssp/ |
| 04:04.01 | De_Mon | me either |
| 04:04.06 | fooz | rahul, OpenBSD has it integrated and the entire OS is built with it |
| 04:04.13 | De_Mon | zygut whats vitriol? |
| 04:04.14 | Gnea | resist148: is the kernel seeing it? |
| 04:04.16 | fooz | rahul, as does my distro, Suckix |
| 04:04.17 | rahul | zoof: heh |
| 04:04.17 | fooz | now |
| 04:04.20 | *** join/#debian mejo-wor1 (~mejo@p5080D4A0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:04.30 | rahul | zoof: figures you'd distribute sucking |
| 04:04.44 | rahul | zoof: now you just need to make Bendoverix |
| 04:04.50 | fooz | damn.. suckix has reiserfs support. i better remove that |
| 04:04.55 | rahul | haha |
| 04:04.57 | *** join/#debian Ryuujin (~Ryuujin@D40AE791.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 04:04.58 | De_Mon | distributed sucking.. that sounds risky |
| 04:05.03 | natron | Gnea: i just did that and it still didn't work. i get a kernel panic saying it can't mount root fs on unknown.block(8,2) |
| 04:05.05 | Justin_ | !tell resist148 about usbmouse |
| 04:05.07 | rahul | zoof: you can put it in bendoverix instead. |
| 04:05.07 | Gnea | then it wouldn't be suckix anymore |
| 04:05.09 | zygut | De_Mon: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/vitriol |
| 04:05.13 | *** part/#debian belracu (~racu@211.20.100.139) |
| 04:05.19 | rahul | Gnea: sucking is good. |
| 04:05.20 | resist148 | Gnea: when i plug in the mouse it says New USB device, USB HID 1.1 Mouse PS/2+USB Mouse on usb1:5.0 |
| 04:05.30 | Ryuujin | hum.. i hate systemopdates x.x |
| 04:05.34 | natron | Gnea: i think its because i have a uncommon adaptec scsi card. a 3210 raid u160 |
| 04:05.43 | quant | i don't suppose it is possible to do a binding mount and give it an identification? like a name or something? |
| 04:05.47 | fooz | unfortunately, propolice doesn't seem to work for languages other than C and C++ |
| 04:05.49 | zygut | rahul: so how should I used ext3's magical utilities to recover my files in a non-lazy way, since you consider me restoring from tape to be lazy |
| 04:05.55 | fooz | doesn't work for Objective C methods.. |
| 04:05.55 | Gnea | natron: naw |
| 04:06.06 | De_Mon | i wonder if anyones written an html parser for hyperictionary, it looks nice |
| 04:06.07 | *** join/#debian mesja (~james@jss42.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 04:06.11 | quant | basically i want to be able to mount and umount the drives i want, not what's on the stack |
| 04:06.11 | rahul | zygut: did you let the log replay and then use fsck? |
| 04:06.18 | resist148 | Justin_: i don't have a debian kernel, it's a custom compile, non of that pertains to me |
| 04:06.20 | zygut | rahul: yeah of course |
| 04:06.25 | natron | Gnea: ? |
| 04:06.25 | Gnea | natron: that's the first disk, second partition? |
| 04:06.28 | zygut | rahul: thats easy |
| 04:06.30 | rahul | zygut: I have never used ext3 tho, so I don't know how the tools work |
| 04:06.34 | rahul | zygut: and then? |
| 04:06.40 | natron | Gnea: yea, sda2.. sda1 is swap |
| 04:06.55 | fooz | zygut, if the log replayed, the FS should be in good shape |
| 04:06.57 | Gnea | natron: and it's formatted to what fs? |
| 04:07.02 | natron | Gnea: ext2 |
| 04:07.05 | zygut | rahul: you think I just boot the machine to single user and think that a partition is unclean and decide to restore it from tape before running fsck? |
| 04:07.06 | fooz | zygut, ext3 has ordered writing, it writes data first, then metadata updates |
| 04:07.11 | Gnea | natron: kernel version/compiler used? |
| 04:07.13 | natron | Gnea: i can get to lilo.conf but everything looks good |
| 04:07.13 | fooz | zygut, your data would be mostly intact |
| 04:07.29 | zygut | rahul: so it is some other filesystem that you are referring to? |
| 04:07.36 | tix64 | De_Mon: apt-get install dict dictd dict-web1913 dict-wn dict-jargon |
| 04:07.37 | zygut | fooz: keyword, mostly |
| 04:07.38 | *** join/#debian Esus (foobar@pcp03455171pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 04:07.43 | caphuso | fooz: his disk died. there's no guarantee for anything to be intact |
| 04:07.46 | natron | Gnea: i was using a deb kernel-2.4.18-k7 that worked but i tried upgrading to 2.6.0 and thats when all this started |
| 04:07.51 | fooz | zygut, the only files that wouldn't be are ones you are aggressively writing to |
| 04:07.57 | rahul | zygut: I wasn't "referring" to any fs other than resierfs. all others have complete recovery tools. |
| 04:08.00 | Gnea | natron: ah ha |
| 04:08.03 | fooz | caphuso, if his disk died, then he shouldn't expect anything to still be there |
| 04:08.07 | Gnea | natron: don't use 2.6.0 then |
| 04:08.07 | zygut | fooz: bingo |
| 04:08.13 | De_Mon | tix64 can i take you home with me? |
| 04:08.16 | fooz | even for reiserfs |
| 04:08.27 | zygut | fooz: all others do, but you can't cite a recovery tool that would have worked for me? |
| 04:08.29 | fooz | zygut, why are you aggressively writing to files on /var? |
| 04:08.35 | natron | Gnea: i also have the old 2.4.18 and an even older 2.2.20 that both are giving me the same panics |
| 04:08.42 | tix64 | De_Mon: i guess my gf would vote against that :P |
| 04:08.49 | mesja | im trying to install a package which depends on glib >= 2.0 and gthread >= 2.0, both of which are installed, but it cant find them. is this somethign to do with the pkg-config files (glibc.pc and gthread.pc) only containing entries for the old vlibrary versions? if so, what do i need to change? |
| 04:08.49 | rahul | zoof: he shouldn't expect anything to still be there in any case on reiserfs. that's the only sane policy :) |
| 04:08.51 | Gnea | natron: can you boot with init=/bin/sh and repair from there? |
| 04:08.52 | zygut | fooz: you don't? |
| 04:08.53 | natron | Gnea: i have lilo pointing to all the correct files in the /boot directory |
| 04:08.54 | fooz | zygut, /var is for, like, pid files and stuff |
| 04:09.01 | natron | Gnea: i havn't tried that yet |
| 04:09.06 | fooz | zygut, no |
| 04:09.11 | fooz | i'm not dumb |
| 04:09.19 | zygut | fooz: huh, /var/log? |
| 04:09.20 | rahul | zoof: maybe he was using dpkg :P |
| 04:09.24 | natron | Gnea: do you think it can do that even with the kernel panic that root can't be mounted? |
| 04:09.26 | Serialkiller | rahul: is the this the correct sytax for rsync " rsync userbame:password@host:/dir /dir" for transfer remote to loaclhsot? cause it doesnt want to take my pasword in the command line |
| 04:09.31 | *** join/#debian songpenguin (~songpengu@c-24-6-195-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 04:09.31 | rahul | zygut: you log that heavily? |
| 04:09.33 | fooz | zygut, /var/log doesn't get written to aggressively, either |
| 04:09.36 | Stripes | has anyone here been able to compile a 2.6.0 kernel with a via epia-me6000 board? |
| 04:09.41 | fooz | zygut, unless you've got dozens of machines logging to the /var/log of one machine |
| 04:09.44 | zygut | fooz: you are avoiding the issue |
| 04:09.44 | Gnea | natron: give it a shot |
| 04:09.51 | rahul | Serialkiller: there are many more options |
| 04:09.56 | fooz | zygut, no, i'm just calling bullshit on your story |
| 04:10.20 | Serialkiller | rahul: : is there a option for password? i dont see one here. i wan to do a cron job |
| 04:10.24 | natron | Gnea: trying :) |
| 04:10.31 | zygut | fooz: rather than describing to me how I should've done things some other way, you are drawing attention to something unrelated |
| 04:10.43 | De_Mon | tix64 oh, bring her too |
| 04:10.51 | rahul | Serialkiller: you'd want to use an ssh pubkey auth with no passphrase on it, then |
| 04:10.59 | zygut | fooz: in otherwords, disk dies, ext3 can't deal any better than ext2, end of story |
| 04:11.08 | zygut | fooz: foible foil foiled foiling foils foist |
| 04:11.10 | tix64 | De_Mon: nah, you've got a dirty mind. |
| 04:11.10 | Justin_ | mwilson: heh, I fixed my thinkpad with a rubberband :-) |
| 04:11.20 | natron | Gnea: same panic. its asking me to supply the correct boot parm for root= |
| 04:11.22 | rahul | zygut: no surprise. they're the SAME on-disk structure |
| 04:11.31 | Stripes | so I guess that was a no? |
| 04:11.39 | rahul | zygut: so what was your point? |
| 04:11.40 | fooz | zygut, if your drive actually failed, then there's no gaurantee that you can get anything. if you were able to get other filesystems on the same disk, you probably just got unlucky and the sectors of the ext3 fs got physically destroyed |
| 04:11.42 | zygut | I'm soooo elite |
| 04:11.53 | vipe | is a specific action required (regarding ext3) at a first time boot of a 2.6 ? for some reason it gives me an IO error and it can't read the superblock. it boots fine 4.21 |
| 04:11.59 | rahul | zygut: we know you think that |
| 04:12.07 | Gnea | natron: hrm ok.. yeah try a rescue disk with bf24 and just fsck them from there (alt-f2) |
| 04:12.11 | caphuso | wow, fooz has made the first sane argument in the whole discussion |
| 04:12.22 | De_Mon | tix64 huh? heh thats not what i was thinking |
| 04:12.31 | rahul | caphuso: er. that argument has been made many times :) |
| 04:12.38 | thomas_adam | caphuso: you'll be next in line, then |
| 04:12.42 | fooz | zygut, and it has nothing to do with ext3 itself |
| 04:12.47 | De_Mon | tix64 does dict check spelling? |
| 04:13.01 | De_Mon | err, correct spelling |
| 04:13.09 | natron | Gnea: whats bf24? |
| 04:13.11 | fooz | zygut, but really, it sounds to me more like you either 1) don't know what you are talking about 2) are lying 3) are trolling |
| 04:13.12 | caphuso | rahul: it should have been made once, right at the beginning. discussion how good a filesystem is based on how good it survives a dying disk is just dumb... |
| 04:13.20 | *** join/#debian Chameleon21 (~sbelokom@61.95.47.242) |
| 04:13.21 | De_Mon | natron a stupid fps game |
| 04:13.22 | zygut | rahul: dict facetious |
| 04:13.29 | caphuso | s/n ho/n on ho/ |
| 04:13.42 | zygut | fooz: do I get to pick one? |
| 04:13.43 | natron | De_Mon: hehe |
| 04:13.53 | rahul | caphuso: well, it's similar to being able to recover from buggy code tat's been fixed, but messed up the fs data structures |
| 04:14.08 | rahul | zygut: shrug, it sounded believable coming from you |
| 04:14.14 | Chameleon21 | hi all, can any one recommend a good DNS server? need to run one internally (for office LAN) ? |
| 04:14.17 | debian | ~tell natron about bf24 |
| 04:14.22 | De_Mon | burn |
| 04:14.24 | *** join/#debian CueballUK (~lee@195.137.42.35) |
| 04:14.29 | rahul | caphuso: but it's much more random, expecially if you've got multiple FSen on the same disk |
| 04:14.33 | Gnea | Chameleon21: bind9 |
| 04:14.38 | De_Mon | oops |
| 04:14.40 | natron | debian: thanks man |
| 04:14.43 | De_Mon | bf24 =) |
| 04:14.48 | Chameleon21 | Gnea: bind seems to be a bit of an overkill |
| 04:14.49 | rahul | caphuso: there's no guarantee that one partition will be affected at all, even if another is mostly trashed |
| 04:14.50 | lucas | Chameleon21, i find dnsmasq does the job, you just manage it with /etc/hosts |
| 04:14.54 | tix64 | De_Mon: not per se. it gets a list of possible spelling corrections and prints them to you, if you used it with an unknown term. |
| 04:15.00 | fooz | caphuso, usually disks don't fail that way though |
| 04:15.02 | natron | Gnea: i would only have to fsck / & /boot right? |
| 04:15.03 | Gnea | Chameleon21: impossible. |
| 04:15.17 | *** join/#debian CueballUK (~lee@195.137.42.35) |
| 04:15.19 | Gnea | natron: yeah, might want to give them all a good fscking tho :) |
| 04:15.20 | rahul | lucas: or dhcpd's leases file |
| 04:15.22 | caphuso | fooz: usually disks are no deathstars :-) |
| 04:15.35 | natron | Gnea: yea it would never hurt |
| 04:15.45 | natron | Gnea: so you think its possible that there is a bad block or something? |
| 04:16.05 | thomas_adam | I usually find doing: "for i in $(seq 3); fsck -fa /; done" having done: telinit 1 && mount -o remount,ro / helps |
| 04:16.07 | rahul | natron: use smartctl to see |
| 04:16.10 | Gnea | natron: i have no idea... im' thinking the fs just got out of sync cuz of the new kernel |
| 04:16.16 | mesja | ive got libglib-2.0 installed, but pkg-config doesnt find it when i run a configure script (only finds 1.2). how do i fix that? |
| 04:16.18 | natron | Gnea: ahh ok |
| 04:16.45 | rahul | mesja: pkg-config finds HEADERS. install the -dev that you want |
| 04:16.49 | thomas_adam | mesja: PKG_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 04:17.55 | mesja | rahul: that did it, thanks! |
| 04:17.56 | *** join/#debian alissontso (~root@200.151.63.222) |
| 04:17.59 | *** join/#debian Zygo (hungryfur@ottawa-hs-64-26-169-108.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 04:18.19 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@sdn-ap-006dcwashP0443.dialsprint.net) |
| 04:18.21 | *** join/#debian xuser (~oo@200.89.233.162) |
| 04:18.43 | xuser | who uses two network interfaces? |
| 04:18.47 | fooz | damn. #debian isn't funny anymore |
| 04:18.51 | resist148 | is there a command to see what mknod command was used to create a file |
| 04:19.00 | rahul | xuser: no one |
| 04:19.00 | fooz | zygut, say something stupid again |
| 04:19.02 | thomas_adam | resist148: !mknod |
| 04:19.02 | fooz | or i'll go watch TV |
| 04:19.05 | rahul | resist148: ls -l |
| 04:19.06 | trans__err | i know this is slightly offtopic... i'm taking over management of a small mac os 10.3 comp lab and want to know if there is a way to do something akin to an Xterminal (ie. all boxes run off one Xserver) |
| 04:19.18 | *** join/#debian Makro (mario@242-54-50.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 04:19.18 | *** part/#debian alissontso (~root@200.151.63.222) |
| 04:19.19 | thomas_adam | resist148: oh, have a look in /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 04:19.30 | zygut | rahul: I'm poking fun at the base method of argumentation that is used here, "you are dumb", "you dont know what you are talking about" etc. are just so counter-productive and cause people to be turned away from debian |
| 04:19.31 | Makro | hello |
| 04:19.32 | fooz | trans__err, you can do exactly that.. if you don't need native OS X apps |
| 04:19.34 | zygut | fooz: how about that? |
| 04:19.43 | rahul | trans__err: you can install an X server for MacOS |
| 04:19.50 | *** join/#debian fbo1 (frank2@dsl-082-082-084-112.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:19.50 | thomas_adam | zygut: indeed. |
| 04:20.01 | rahul | haha |
| 04:20.01 | fooz | trans__err, OS X supposedly has a really sweet rootless X server |
| 04:20.18 | xuser | how to set up up eth1 to share internet with another box? |
| 04:20.19 | zygut | I personally know two people who would rather switch to redhat than consider coming here for help |
| 04:20.19 | rahul | zygut: that's the method YOU are using. you have no clue what you're talking about and you're calling us all trolls and idiots |
| 04:20.30 | rahul | zygut: good, they can go be dicks there |
| 04:20.32 | fooz | trans__err, if you need to run OS X apps, you'll have to try whatever their remote execution thing is called |
| 04:20.37 | Makro | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.43 | thomas_adam | zygut: this argument is recursive, alas :( |
| 04:20.50 | rahul | Makro: what interactive shell? |
| 04:20.56 | caphuso | Makro: you can't install sid from scratch |
| 04:21.04 | Makro | ash i think |
| 04:21.08 | zygut | rahul: no, as I said, I was being facetious because of how you guys were acting |
| 04:21.11 | rahul | caphuso: well... almost |
| 04:21.17 | rahul | zygut: right.... |
| 04:21.21 | xsdg | caphuso: technically not true, but... |
| 04:21.21 | Makro | caphuso: do i need to install a basic woody then? |
| 04:21.25 | rahul | zygut: you STARTED off with that crap |
| 04:21.33 | Stripes | when installing from a stable 3.0 disk, what fs does it use for the linux partition by default? |
| 04:21.38 | zygut | gotta love that... we're dicks and anyone who can't take it can go be dicks somewhere else |
| 04:21.42 | caphuso | xsdg: technically true. you need to use a woody or sarge installer to start off |
| 04:21.47 | thomas_adam | Stripes: whatever you tell it |
| 04:22.08 | rahul | zygut: I gave a specific reason why I wouldn't ever use reiserfs and you claimed that I was a troll. you don't realize that what I said is true. |
| 04:22.12 | thomas_adam | Stripes: you either tell it ext2 or ext3 |
| 04:22.24 | Stripes | I don't remember telling it anything.. it just said linux in the partition tool |
| 04:22.27 | fooz | now i just need to find some people to root my box |
| 04:22.31 | xsdg | caphuso: the netinst installer let me choose to install stuff straight from SID (though the udebs were from testing) |
| 04:22.32 | rahul | zygut: no, we can't take you newbies being dicks |
| 04:22.37 | *** join/#debian cafuego (cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 04:22.40 | Makro | then what is the good way to install sid...first installing a basic debian 3.0? |
| 04:22.53 | xsdg | Makro: typically, yes |
| 04:22.57 | rahul | zygut: and you know what? we don't have to. we're giving you a free, voluntary service. |
| 04:23.09 | caphuso | xsdg: exactly. you need a woody or sarge installer to start off from. didn't i just say that? |
| 04:23.30 | xsdg | caphuso: you must be using a different definition of "scratch" than I am |
| 04:23.31 | rahul | Makro: why are you installing a release that's a debian development release when you don't know how to use debian? |
| 04:23.35 | Makro | xsdg: and then i just change from stable to unstable and download the packages with apt... |
| 04:23.53 | caphuso | xsdg: from ground zero on |
| 04:23.57 | zygut | rahul: yeah... you were saying things like: 22:50 < rahul> zygut: I haven't been foolish enough to have a bad experience |
| 04:24.13 | rahul | Makro: I'm not so sure you will be able to develop debian packages if you are so confused about how to use the user tools |
| 04:24.19 | zygut | rahul: and "you newbies" |
| 04:24.36 | trans__err | fooz: any idea what that might be? I want to be able to have all the machines run (at least graphically off one server... thus making my life super easy) |
| 04:24.36 | xsdg | Makro: that should work... |
| 04:24.38 | rahul | zygut: time rearrangement is a wonderful thing. |
| 04:24.46 | fooz | trans__err, i don't know what it's called. apple has it on their site |
| 04:24.54 | Makro | xsdg: thanks |
| 04:25.11 | trans__err | is there an easy tool to add SAMBA printers? |
| 04:25.12 | rahul | trans__err: it's the X server for MacOS X. |
| 04:25.23 | caphuso | trans__err: nvi worked for me |
| 04:25.23 | trans__err | rahul: i want to run os x apps... |
| 04:25.24 | xsdg | Makro: though be warned that people will be less likely to help you if they think you mistakenly chose to use SID instead of testing |
| 04:25.26 | fooz | trans__err, or the X server? it comes with all the "gnu" add on package sets for os x |
| 04:25.39 | rahul | trans__err: you can only run X apps remotely |
| 04:25.47 | rahul | trans__err: or tty, of course |
| 04:25.50 | fooz | rahul, no |
| 04:25.55 | fooz | rahul, os x has something like terminal services |
| 04:25.57 | rahul | oh? |
| 04:26.03 | *** join/#debian julien` (jul@ikki.planet-work.com) |
| 04:26.05 | Stripes | ok.. I'm getting really frustrated trying to compile 2.6.0 and getting it to boot. every time it compiles it won't boot giving me a fs error... the one I am getting now is, sh-2021: reiserfs_fill_super: cannot find reiserfs on hda2... mount jfs failure: -22.... xfs: bad magic number... |
| 04:26.06 | *** join/#debian sime (~sime@c211-30-233-141.rivrw5.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 04:26.09 | rahul | zoof: which is? :P |
| 04:26.11 | fooz | probably requires os x server |
| 04:26.16 | Makro | xsdg: i know :) thanks |
| 04:26.17 | fooz | i don't know :P |
| 04:26.21 | rahul | ok :P |
| 04:26.24 | *** part/#debian zygut (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) |
| 04:26.29 | xsdg | Makro: np |
| 04:26.30 | Stripes | I don't even have reiser fs on there |
| 04:26.33 | fooz | ah, it's called Remote Desktop |
| 04:26.46 | xsdg | Stripes: is fstab correct? is the filesystem listed therein compiled into the kernel? |
| 04:26.49 | debian | Stripes: you complain about yourself getting root be reiserfs? |
| 04:27.04 | rahul | zoof: sounds like vnc |
| 04:27.14 | fooz | it's more powerful |
| 04:27.16 | *** join/#debian housetier (~housetier@p508B2B17.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:27.28 | Stripes | I have to hard reboot the machine to check.. one sec |
| 04:27.29 | trans__err | apple remote desktop? |
| 04:27.32 | rahul | ok... |
| 04:27.32 | Makro | xsdg: i just wanna install sid in another partition for check some apps who can`t run in woody ;) |
| 04:27.39 | fooz | i don't know any details about it. read apple's site |
| 04:27.44 | trans__err | i am... |
| 04:27.46 | fooz | i don't use much non-free software |
| 04:27.47 | rahul | no thanks :P |
| 04:27.52 | xsdg | Makro: woody or sarge? |
| 04:28.12 | fooz | I use the Free Love version of rahul, not the expensive street walker version |
| 04:28.18 | *** join/#debian songpenguin (~songpengu@c-24-6-195-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 04:28.22 | Makro | woody Debian 3.0r1 |
| 04:28.27 | rahul | cheap bastard |
| 04:28.31 | xsdg | rofl |
| 04:28.33 | vipe | is a specific action required (regarding ext3) at a first time boot of a 2.6 ? for some reason it gives me an IO error and it can't read the superblock. it boots fine 4.21 |
| 04:28.56 | *** part/#debian julien` (jul@ikki.planet-work.com) |
| 04:29.00 | fooz | vipe, did you specify the right root fs? |
| 04:29.04 | xsdg | vipe: is it trying to mount a dirty partition as ext2? |
| 04:29.13 | vipe | fooz: yup |
| 04:29.24 | vipe | xsdg: no, ext3 |
| 04:29.34 | natron | Gnea: that didn't fix it unfortunately |
| 04:29.46 | natron | Gnea: i didn't re-run lilo though |
| 04:29.49 | songpenguin | vipe: ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2 |
| 04:30.01 | fooz | vipe, can you show the exact errors you're getting? |
| 04:30.45 | vipe | fooz: I'll try to get it in a logfile. brb ... reboot |
| 04:31.03 | rahul | natron: so you keep going in and not changing anything and expecting something to be fixed? :\ |
| 04:31.23 | rahul | songpenguin: only if it was cleanly shutdown |
| 04:31.26 | natron | rahul: i fscked the disks |
| 04:31.59 | *** join/#debian remote (~remote@modemcable099.101-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:32.03 | songpenguin | rahul: ? I thought that if you took any ext3 fs and tried to read it as ext2 it would work? |
| 04:32.03 | rahul | natron: but still didn't fix lilo... |
| 04:32.04 | *** join/#debian difeta (~difeta@12-211-68-89.client.attbi.com) |
| 04:32.17 | fooz | rahul, is your love DFSG-free or just OSI-approved? |
| 04:32.18 | natron | rahul: lilo appears to be fine |
| 04:32.22 | thomas_adam | songpenguin: that's due to the journal |
| 04:32.33 | rahul | songpenguin: not really |
| 04:32.34 | songpenguin | rahul: all it is is an ext2 with a jurnal stuck on |
| 04:32.35 | difeta | how can i figure how much hard drive space is hused in the /home directory? |
| 04:32.36 | natron | rahul: i have entries for all my images and the sym links are all correct |
| 04:32.50 | thomas_adam | difeta: du -sh $HOME |
| 04:32.53 | rahul | songpenguin: and you need to NOT have the journal for it to just be ext2 |
| 04:32.57 | thomas_adam | difeta: du -sh /home |
| 04:33.03 | difeta | thomas_adam, thanks |
| 04:33.06 | *** join/#debian Award (~jpdp@209.120.201.178) |
| 04:33.08 | rahul | natron: undo what you changed before |
| 04:33.13 | rahul | zoof: my love is public domain |
| 04:33.44 | fooz | heh |
| 04:33.49 | songpenguin | rahul: so you're saying that on shutdown the jurnal is wiped |
| 04:33.57 | natron | rahul: i already tried that too |
| 04:34.02 | songpenguin | rahul: but that does'nt make sence |
| 04:34.07 | fooz | no |
| 04:34.17 | fooz | he's saying that the fs has to have the clean bit set before ext2 will touch it |
| 04:34.30 | fooz | that means either cleanly unmounted, or fsck'd |
| 04:34.32 | songpenguin | rahul: it takes ~5 minutes for my computer to create the jurnel on my home dir! |
| 04:36.23 | *** join/#debian wasabi (~wasabi@c-24-0-138-115.client.comcast.net) |
| 04:36.29 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 04:36.40 | wasabi | Is there a Debian channel for AMD64's? |
| 04:36.57 | songpenguin | wasabi: I dont know but you can do /list |
| 04:36.58 | thomas_adam | wasabi: debian-ppc |
| 04:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 637] by debhelper |
| 04:37.03 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 04:37.04 | thomas_adam | perhaps |
| 04:37.08 | fooz | debian-ppc is for powerpc |
| 04:37.18 | gb | ppc aint amd64 |
| 04:37.23 | wasabi | ... |
| 04:37.33 | wasabi | list is toooo big |
| 04:37.34 | wasabi | haha |
| 04:37.46 | gb | but i'd guess it would be something like #debian-amd64 if there was |
| 04:37.56 | wasabi | ahh hah |
| 04:37.57 | wasabi | a - |
| 04:37.59 | wasabi | thanks |
| 04:37.59 | fooz | probably called #debian-intelsucks |
| 04:38.00 | cef | prolly debian-x64 more like |
| 04:38.04 | wasabi | didnt' think of that, since #debianppc doens't have one |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*blootbot@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@nu.gg *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@202.88.241.78 *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@212.86.247.43] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.42] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net nugg!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@202.129.1.48 *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qq pmm!*@* *!root@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*blootbot@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@nu.gg *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@202.88.241.78 *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@212.86.247.43] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.42] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net nugg!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@202.129.1.48 *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qq pmm!*@* *!root@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 04:38.27 | cef | bah woops |
| 04:38.30 | gb | wel make one then songpenguin :P |
| 04:39.00 | debian | what mobo works best with amd64? |
| 04:39.02 | cef | ahh! #debian-amd64 |
| 04:39.27 | songpenguin | gb: that's the linux spirit! |
| 04:39.33 | rahul | debian: one with an amd64-capable socket |
| 04:39.55 | debian | rahul: amd changes socket type very soon |
| 04:40.00 | *** join/#debian VynoM (greg@ip-wv-68-113-132-131.charterwv.net) |
| 04:40.00 | debian | 928? I don't recall.. |
| 04:40.12 | gb | songpenguin: of course :) |
| 04:40.35 | *** mode/#debian [+l 646] by niven.freenode.net |
| 04:40.35 | *** join/#debian scruffy (~scrfy@user320.greenwood.net) |
| 04:41.00 | *** join/#debian slinky_ (~jamie@blk2-208-154.eastlink.ca) |
| 04:42.33 | *** join/#debian tem (~troymc@adsl-68-90-223-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 04:42.42 | rahul | debian: yeah, they can make the motherboards a huge amount cheaper to make by doing that |
| 04:42.54 | *** join/#debian xmixahlx (~xmixahlx@12-211-81-249.client.attbi.com) |
| 04:42.57 | rahul | removing a few pins so that the boards don't need as many traces |
| 04:43.15 | fooz | i think the pin count is going up |
| 04:43.18 | rahul | and then they'll need only 4 layers, not 6 like the ciurrent ones |
| 04:43.20 | scruffy | is it going to get ugly depends-wise if I put galeon 1.2.5 on hold? I'd hate to see it go. Anyone else holding galeon 1.2.5 too? |
| 04:43.29 | rahul | zoof: on the athlon64, it's going down, last I heard |
| 04:43.33 | fooz | oh |
| 04:43.37 | rahul | scruffy: why? |
| 04:43.50 | scruffy | rahul: why, why? :) |
| 04:44.01 | rahul | scruffy: why bother? |
| 04:44.20 | cef | debian: 939/940 pin for the new ones, 754 for the current ones |
| 04:44.24 | rahul | if you use aptitude, it'll be clear about what is going to go wrong and why, anyway |
| 04:44.30 | scruffy | rahul: I really like galeon, thunderbird is sluggish, and the new galeon blows. |
| 04:44.36 | rahul | scruffy: oh? |
| 04:44.46 | scruffy | rahul: s/thunderbird/firebird/ |
| 04:45.56 | rahul | scruffy: it doesn't look like it'll be a problem |
| 04:46.10 | mechan0r | that way everyone can use it |
| 04:46.16 | rahul | mechan0r: hah |
| 04:46.32 | xsdg | scruffy: the only time I've found that firebird is sluggish is with floating menus and such |
| 04:46.39 | rahul | mechan0r: that assumes that it's possible to use it without being a gnome app |
| 04:46.49 | scruffy | rahul: okay, thanks |
| 04:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 637] by debhelper |
| 04:47.51 | scruffy | xsdg: it's sluggish over here without floating menus (though I didn't know floating menus is possible with firebird). |
| 04:48.08 | *** join/#debian guest (~guest@200.215.49.210) |
| 04:48.28 | guest | knoppix http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-hackers/message/30994?source=1 |
| 04:48.34 | rahul | *huff* *puff* damn my room is a mess |
| 04:48.50 | scruffy | xsdg: the menus are the slow parts, though. |
| 04:48.52 | *** join/#debian brc007 (~brc007@ip68-109-131-42.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:49.02 | xsdg | scruffy: I mean CSS floating menus :o) |
| 04:49.06 | guest | hehehehehe |
| 04:49.13 | *** join/#debian tio (~tim@tallen.student.Princeton.EDU) |
| 04:49.41 | scruffy | xsdg: Ohh, I'm talking about using the browser's UI, not the pages I visit. |
| 04:49.42 | vipe | fooz: a regular message for an IO error and this: "ISOfs_fill_super: breadfailed, dev hda2 ISO blknum=16, block 32" |
| 04:49.55 | xsdg | scruffy: odd |
| 04:50.01 | rahul | vipe: looks bad |
| 04:50.06 | *** join/#debian snufkin (~tim@tallen.student.Princeton.EDU) |
| 04:50.10 | rahul | vipe: what's the IO error? |
| 04:50.11 | *** join/#debian cappicard (~Derek@CPE-24-94-181-193.kc.rr.com) |
| 04:50.31 | vipe | rahul: it can't read my superblock |
| 04:50.37 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 04:50.41 | rahul | vipe: what is the IO error? |
| 04:50.55 | vipe | rahul: i don't have the log :( |
| 04:50.58 | simonrvn | test |
| 04:50.59 | *** join/#debian shamoun (~shamoun@c-24-10-48-54.client.comcast.net) |
| 04:51.08 | rahul | vipe: well, that's what matters. |
| 04:51.09 | vipe | rahul: it happens only while booting in 2.6 |
| 04:51.10 | scruffy | xsdg: Also, the anti-aliased (or would that be aliased?) fonts' appearance in the GTk 2 version aren't so great. |
| 04:51.43 | gb | well recompile your 2.6 kernel with the missing option you obviously have in 2.4 |
| 04:52.07 | xsdg | scruffy: screenshot? |
| 04:52.15 | xsdg | scruffy: mine look beautiful |
| 04:52.33 | vipe | rahul: ah, I worte it down the first time: "hda bad access block=20563202, count 2 \ IO error |
| 04:52.37 | xsdg | scruffy: of course, I'm using xfs-xtt and ttf fonts from windows |
| 04:52.37 | vipe | that's it |
| 04:52.50 | rahul | vipe: hmm. not what I'm used to seeing. |
| 04:53.02 | vipe | rahul: afterwards it panics |
| 04:53.07 | sporq | i love lvm and raid |
| 04:53.33 | *** join/#debian ErNi_ (~a@211.121.141.68) |
| 04:53.43 | natron | i don't know what else to try, i have done everything i can think of to get multiple kernels running but am unable. but i can still mount the filesystems from the rescue floppy |
| 04:53.46 | Xenguy | xsdg: I thot additional font servers weren't necessary with X4? |
| 04:54.02 | rahul | ~penixstrike Xenguy |
| 04:54.06 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Xenguy to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:54.16 | *** join/#debian brophat (~joe@64.118.225.62) |
| 04:54.18 | rahul | Xenguy: you're STILL living in the 70s? |
| 04:54.18 | Xenguy | rahul: that's very helpful - thank you rahul |
| 04:54.20 | vipe | rahul: i'll have a look ik the docs of 2.6. |
| 04:54.22 | brophat | wuzzup |
| 04:54.24 | xsdg | Xenguy: not necessary, but I'd prefer not to have to restart X when I add fonts |
| 04:54.26 | scruffy | xsdg: I have ttf's from Windows also, but xfs-xtt is un status. I'm using xfs? |
| 04:54.37 | simonrvn | ~no penxstrike is <reply>Bah. Go play somewhere else. |
| 04:54.39 | | simonrvn: okay |
| 04:54.42 | rahul | xsdg: xset fp rehash |
| 04:54.44 | simonrvn | ~no penixstrike is <reply>Bah. Go play somewhere else. |
| 04:54.46 | | okay, simonrvn |
| 04:54.46 | scruffy | xsdg: ii xfs 4.2.1-12.1 X font serve |
| 04:54.48 | Xenguy | rahul: I think you misread |
| 04:55.01 | simonrvn | ~forget penxstrike |
| 04:55.01 | | i forgot penxstrike, simonrvn |
| 04:55.06 | rahul | Xenguy: we're up to version 11 these days, not 4 |
| 04:55.09 | vipe | rahul: to me it is vry strange that it boot|mount's fine with 4.21 |
| 04:55.13 | rahul | ~penixstrike simonrvn |
| 04:55.21 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:55.21 | vipe | s/vry/very |
| 04:55.21 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: ~typing is <reply>Simonrvn's typing is shite |
| 04:55.27 | Xenguy | rahul: don't be silly |
| 04:55.46 | rahul | vipe: well, probably something to do with the options you're choosing |
| 04:55.55 | vipe | i guess so |
| 04:55.56 | rahul | vipe: or maybe the driver for your ide is buggy. |
| 04:55.59 | *** part/#debian brophat (~joe@64.118.225.62) |
| 04:56.03 | *** join/#debian adamhall (adamhall@162.42.1.87) |
| 04:56.12 | rahul | Xenguy: silly? I'm just living in the 90s. |
| 04:56.20 | xsdg | rahul: :oP |
| 04:56.22 | guest | knoppix hello.. i fine and you ? |
| 04:56.33 | Xenguy | rahul: noise |
| 04:56.46 | rahul | Xenguy: nah, the 80s were noise |
| 04:56.50 | sporq | xsdg: is adding tolerable fonts to xfs relatively easy/straight forward? |
| 04:57.08 | sporq | i'm getting tired of mozilla's text being hard to read |
| 04:57.09 | rahul | sporq: you don't need to add them to xfs at all. just add them to the X server directly |
| 04:57.13 | thomas_adam | the 80s were shit |
| 04:57.15 | sporq | hmm |
| 04:57.17 | rahul | sporq: install some font packages. |
| 04:57.21 | sporq | oh |
| 04:57.22 | xsdg | sporq: I use xfs-xtt, not xfs... |
| 04:57.27 | sporq | aah |
| 04:57.38 | xsdg | sporq: rahul is correct, though, in that adding them to X is easier than I had previously known |
| 04:57.52 | Xenguy | sporq: there's a 'minimum font size' option too - maybe that would help |
| 04:58.02 | sporq | i'm in the process of switching from rh7.3 to debian stable |
| 04:58.11 | sporq | so maybe i'll hold off for a bit |
| 04:58.29 | rahul | sporq: if you're using debconf to manage the x server config, you might just get them added automatically to the config |
| 04:58.44 | rahul | sporq: maybe need to do a dexconf after installing the font packages |
| 04:59.00 | rahul | sporq: that is, if they are debianized and defoma-aware font packages |
| 04:59.00 | sporq | are there debs for the windows fonts i can get to in deselect? |
| 04:59.10 | xsdg | sporq: for me, I just stick 'em in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and do "fc-cache" et voila |
| 04:59.14 | rahul | sporq: apt-cache search windows fonts |
| 04:59.22 | fflush | anyone the home page for nano-tiny googling did me no good |
| 04:59.32 | sporq | rahul/xsdg: woo :) |
| 04:59.43 | rahul | hm microsoft fonts maybe |
| 04:59.53 | xsdg | just vera iirc |
| 05:00.00 | rahul | yeah, MS fonts. |
| 05:00.18 | rahul | xsdg: vera is in xfonts-nonfree |
| 05:00.21 | rahul | iirc. |
| 05:00.27 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 05:00.35 | Tchiak | ' |
| 05:00.40 | sporq | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.22 | sporq | scp is much slower than ftp |
| 05:01.39 | fflush | what the official hoem-page for nano-tiny googling did me no good |
| 05:01.47 | sporq | i should figure out of there's a -o option to turn off encryption for a time |
| 05:01.55 | simonrvn | @tell fflush about repeat |
| 05:01.58 | fooz | you could use rsync instead |
| 05:02.08 | fflush | oops |
| 05:02.10 | fooz | through ssh |
| 05:02.10 | thomas_adam | ~tell fflush that he is a penis |
| 05:02.18 | sporq | true |
| 05:02.24 | sporq | i'm using rsync over ssh currently |
| 05:02.42 | sporq | i could drop the ssh and run rsync -d (i think) on the other side |
| 05:02.52 | Xenguy | someone told me the gzip in woody doesn't understand rsync |
| 05:02.56 | rahul | wait, it's luxi that's in xfonts-scalable-nonfree |
| 05:03.07 | *** join/#debian abcnew (~abcnew@203.210.152.46) |
| 05:03.09 | sporq | its' on a private network, so i don't care too much about rsyncs security |
| 05:03.18 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: you were told wrong |
| 05:03.18 | xsdg | Xenguy: huh? |
| 05:03.22 | abcnew | hey |
| 05:03.35 | xsdg | Xenguy: why would gzip need to understand rsync? |
| 05:03.46 | rahul | Xenguy's totally out of it today... |
| 05:03.58 | Xenguy | xsdg: to take advantage of rsync's speed I assume |
| 05:04.12 | sporq | grr |
| 05:04.17 | rahul | whaaa? |
| 05:04.24 | xsdg | Xenguy: rsync might use zlib for compression... |
| 05:04.28 | *** join/#debian mush (~geordie@h24-207-8-80.cst.dccnet.com) |
| 05:05.22 | Xenguy | xsdg: All I know is I have a ~330Mb file (tar of several tgz files), and it takes 1 hour 7 minutes to scp, and about 1 hour to rsync a changed version |
| 05:05.36 | Xenguy | so where's the gain? |
| 05:05.46 | rahul | Xenguy: and why does gzip need to rsync them? |
| 05:05.50 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: 7 minutes gain |
| 05:06.17 | rahul | Xenguy: use rsync with the option that actually speeds up the transfer |
| 05:06.19 | Xenguy | That's when one of the local LUGers said I needed to update the gzip version on woody -- but I honestly don't know about that |
| 05:06.21 | fooz | i need to find a better mail server |
| 05:06.30 | sporq | is there an big i/o penalty on that system that would cause rsync to have a problem seeking and reading through the file? |
| 05:06.33 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: he might have meant zlib |
| 05:07.03 | sporq | or a processing penalty that would cause it to have a problem genning checksums of chunks of the file?? |
| 05:07.03 | Xenguy | hrm, well rysnc should be much faster from what I've heard |
| 05:07.09 | sporq | i should |
| 05:07.10 | rahul | sporq: the penalty would have to be as large as reading the data fully |
| 05:07.11 | sporq | it |
| 05:07.28 | rahul | sporq: he's just not using the feature he wants to use |
| 05:07.51 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~martin@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:8b7) |
| 05:08.04 | sporq | aah :) |
| 05:08.15 | rahul | even a tape drive wouldn't have that bad of a seek penalty |
| 05:08.26 | Xenguy | rahul: what rsync feature? |
| 05:08.42 | abcnew | when i ran prog |
| 05:08.51 | rahul | Xenguy: the one that checksums blocks.... |
| 05:08.52 | abcnew | and have a error |
| 05:08.57 | abcnew | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 05:08.57 | abcnew | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 05:09.01 | *** join/#debian tempo (~tempo@66-108-20-147.nyc.rr.com) |
| 05:09.09 | rahul | abcnew: try running an X server |
| 05:09.15 | *** join/#debian XaMaD (~madmax@dyn-212-129-44-67.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 05:09.21 | Xenguy | rahul: subtitles please |
| 05:09.34 | vipe | has any one running kernel 2.6 running on a compaq laptop |
| 05:09.44 | abcnew | rahul: i did run X |
| 05:09.50 | rahul | abcnew: of course, you're not using a decent app or OS, so it's not going to figure anything out really well |
| 05:09.55 | vipe | rahul: i think I'm first gonna try to run it on my desktop |
| 05:10.24 | tix64 | Xenguy: you confused everything a bit. the gzip in unstable is able to output files that rsync can handle much more efficiently than was normal. that doesn't mean that gzip "understands" rsync. |
| 05:10.27 | rahul | "a compaq laptop" is about the most non-descriptive term I could have imagined |
| 05:10.51 | vipe | hmmm, ya, good point |
| 05:10.53 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:11.01 | rahul | tix64: ah! |
| 05:11.22 | tix64 | rahul: yea, reading changelogs helps :P |
| 05:11.26 | sporq | Xenguy: maybe try -a --partial and experiment with --blocksize=<number> |
| 05:11.32 | vipe | to be specific "compaq laptop Evo N110" |
| 05:11.33 | rahul | vipe: you didn't even have to say "compaq" there |
| 05:11.40 | *** join/#debian carlos (carlos@IP203-97-106-13.compass.net.nz) |
| 05:11.46 | Xenguy | tix64: you are certainly right that I'm confused -- I expected huge transfer gains with rsync (as compared to scp) and I don't see them -- that's about all I know right now |
| 05:11.48 | abcnew | rahul: =? |
| 05:12.09 | rahul | abcnew: it's triyng to connect to something that nothing told it about |
| 05:12.18 | rahul | abcnew: how does it knw it's connecting to the right place? |
| 05:12.30 | Xenguy | sporq: alright, I've noted that - tx |
| 05:12.39 | tix64 | Xenguy: well, the gain with binaries (executables and compressed files) isn't that huge with rsync. |
| 05:12.39 | *** join/#debian yoyoattack (~newbie@218-160-76-188.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 05:12.47 | *** part/#debian yoyoattack (~newbie@218-160-76-188.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 05:12.50 | rahul | Xenguy: if you _don't_ use gzip, rsync will probably be faster |
| 05:13.08 | sporq | teh smaller --blocksize= is the more proc you'll use |
| 05:13.30 | *** join/#debian freddy (~jason@203.91.225.3) |
| 05:13.37 | Xenguy | tix64: hrm, so maybe there is no problem - maybe rsync just can't do the job I want it to do |
| 05:13.51 | rahul | I don't get why rsync doesn't iteratively refine the blocks starting at some reasonable size |
| 05:13.55 | sporq | the larger, the larger the size will be of the changed chunks sent/copied |
| 05:13.56 | freddy | I'm trying to install debian on 7896 scsi controller where do I find the floppy with the pre modules on it? |
| 05:14.10 | Xenguy | rahul: yes, my fellow LUGer was saying that it was the gzip that was slowing things down - somehow |
| 05:14.10 | *** join/#debian Devas- (~devas@200-171-29-106.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 05:14.13 | *** join/#debian leedo (~leedo@nr1-216-196-135-130.fuse.net) |
| 05:14.29 | rahul | Xenguy: right, because that's how LZW-like compressors work |
| 05:14.41 | Xenguy | IC |
| 05:14.53 | Devas- | when i try to execute rp7 install binary file for debian, it says: cannot execute binary file, why? |
| 05:15.00 | xsdg | rahul: iteratively? how would it be able to do that with one read? |
| 05:15.01 | sporq | gzip could help with a humongous text file and a slow link however |
| 05:15.01 | rahul | they're dependent on everything before to determine what's the coding for the next bit |
| 05:15.06 | snoke | i'm unable load pdcraid module, pdc202xx_old loads ok but when i compile pdcraid in kernel it work ok, what may be wong ? |
| 05:15.29 | rahul | xsdg: it coud read the whole block, and if the checksums don't match, split it in half and try to match those two halves on the remote |
| 05:15.40 | abcnew | rahul: i log into X with a other |
| 05:15.44 | *** join/#debian tchiak (~bob@cs26211-111.hot.rr.com) |
| 05:15.52 | xsdg | rahul: aah... I see |
| 05:15.55 | tix64 | Devas-: is the file set executable? |
| 05:15.58 | rahul | abcnew: then you don't have permission to use X with the other user |
| 05:16.09 | rahul | xsdg: like a binary search |
| 05:16.15 | abcnew | rahul: and at xterm i su to a other name |
| 05:16.16 | xsdg | rahul: ::nod:: |
| 05:16.18 | rahul | just don't do it on the whole file :) |
| 05:16.19 | *** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@dialup-239.82.221.203.acc52-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) |
| 05:16.30 | Devas- | tix64 i did chmod u+x file, then ./file |
| 05:16.31 | abcnew | that name have permisstionä |
| 05:16.32 | rahul | abcnew: man xauth. you need to copy the magic cookie over. |
| 05:16.41 | tempo | does anyone know a good open source pbx application ? |
| 05:16.51 | sporq | oooh |
| 05:16.54 | rahul | you could have it all. my empire of dirt. |
| 05:16.55 | tix64 | Devas-: so, what's the exact error message? |
| 05:16.56 | sporq | you make beer?! |
| 05:16.58 | sporq | wooooo |
| 05:17.00 | xsdg | rahul: maximum depth: length of sample is same length as md5sum output 8P |
| 05:17.04 | rahul | I will let you down. I will make you hurt. |
| 05:17.04 | tempo | or a call center application? |
| 05:17.24 | rahul | xsdg: heh. probably something more like 1 KB |
| 05:17.33 | rahul | xsdg: or even larger... 16 KB, I'd say |
| 05:17.44 | *** join/#debian cafuego (cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 05:17.46 | xsdg | rahul: could depend on total file size |
| 05:17.49 | rahul | xsdg: start at around a 512KB block |
| 05:17.49 | abcnew | rahul: thss |
| 05:17.49 | maher | rahul: fixed is better |
| 05:18.03 | helix | !greet everyone |
| 05:18.03 | dpkg | Hi everyone! |
| 05:18.07 | helix | !scratch bob2 |
| 05:18.15 | rahul | hmm |
| 05:18.22 | xsdg | helix: greet helix |
| 05:18.25 | bztunk | dpkg: hi! |
| 05:18.25 | dpkg | hi |
| 05:18.25 | Devas- | tix64 bash: ./rp7_linux_alpha_debianslink_cs2.bin: cannot execute binary file |
| 05:18.30 | rahul | actyually what you need is a DNA search algo |
| 05:18.35 | *** join/#debian ^Leo (~leo@168-226-67-120.speedy.com.ar) |
| 05:18.35 | xsdg | Devas-: slink?!?! |
| 05:18.37 | rahul | what they use for analyzing DNA sequences |
| 05:18.47 | rahul | helix: thanks for the idea :) |
| 05:18.54 | thomas_adam | Devas-: file ./rp7* |
| 05:18.54 | helix | oh wait |
| 05:19.01 | De_Mon | im trying to activate visuals in xmms, only i have to do it from a console. how can i send keystrokes to the session? xwit does mouse movmements |
| 05:19.11 | rahul | this problem is exactly what is encountered when trying to sequence DNA |
| 05:19.21 | xsdg | rahul: that would depend on the file type, though |
| 05:19.43 | rahul | xsdg: not really. if there are unchanged portions, the way to find them will be basically the same |
| 05:19.49 | *** join/#debian klontj (klontj@host-69-48-15-122.roc.choiceone.net) |
| 05:19.54 | xsdg | rahul: in DNA analysis, they cut on certain patterns... it's not the same pattern each time |
| 05:20.03 | De_Mon | *imagines fsck on an organic drive* |
| 05:20.04 | rahul | xsdg: that's true |
| 05:20.20 | rahul | xsdg: well, don't they sequence randomly broken up bits, too? |
| 05:20.27 | rahul | xsdg: actually you could do the same thing with the file |
| 05:20.33 | Devas- | xsdg no |
| 05:20.56 | rahul | xsdg: scan it quickly to find sequences that are common but not everywhere |
| 05:21.12 | xsdg | rahul: no... the restriction enzyme only cuts at a site where it can bind |
| 05:21.13 | *** join/#debian bytewalker (~bytewalke@198.53.101.10) |
| 05:21.20 | bytewalker | whats a really cool opengl type game? |
| 05:21.27 | Devas- | thomas_adam ./rp7_linux_alpha_debianslink_cs2.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, Alpha (unofficial), version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 05:21.28 | bytewalker | besides egoboo and tuxracer |
| 05:21.31 | xsdg | rahul: that might work, of course, that might split a contiguous unchanged block into multiple blocks |
| 05:21.33 | rahul | xsdg: yeah, I guess that's the only way to cut it |
| 05:21.45 | xsdg | Devas-: are you running an alpha? |
| 05:21.47 | rahul | xsdg: yeah, but you'll always run that risk |
| 05:21.48 | tix64 | Devas-: and you have an Alpha? |
| 05:22.14 | rahul | xsdg: with a fixed block size, you'll never find the unchanged block if the alignment is changed |
| 05:22.15 | xsdg | bytewalker: armagetron |
| 05:22.19 | xsdg | rahul: true |
| 05:23.28 | rahul | how the hell do I manage to find people who can carry on conversations like these? :P |
| 05:23.40 | *** part/#debian tem (~troymc@adsl-68-90-223-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 05:23.53 | xsdg | rahul: :oP |
| 05:23.58 | Devas- | tix64 dont know hehe |
| 05:24.17 | *** join/#debian nictuku (~yves@200.103.64.110) |
| 05:24.17 | xsdg | rahul: it's a good idea, for one |
| 05:24.24 | tix64 | Devas-: then you probably don't :P |
| 05:24.35 | sporq | i wonder how they manage to sequence long dna fragments |
| 05:24.36 | rahul | excuse me, mr. should be the theme song of this channel |
| 05:24.38 | *** join/#debian cappicard (~cappicard@CPE-24-94-181-193.kc.rr.com) |
| 05:24.46 | rahul | sporq: just like we said :P |
| 05:24.56 | rahul | sporq: but the algos are rather tough |
| 05:24.59 | rahul | it's basically AI |
| 05:25.25 | sporq | just cutting a chromasome up into bits just tells you where a small sequence is |
| 05:25.30 | sporq | i guess |
| 05:25.37 | sporq | what about the rest of it |
| 05:25.58 | rahul | you use lots of enzymes that cut at different known patterns |
| 05:26.10 | xsdg | rahul: aah... that's right |
| 05:26.14 | *** join/#debian esop (~esop@216-228-202-141.eoni.com) |
| 05:26.17 | sporq | and somehow, someone automated this |
| 05:26.19 | rahul | they don't always cut at that pattern and you have lots of copies of the dna, so you'll get overlapping fragments |
| 05:26.19 | sporq | heh |
| 05:26.27 | *** join/#debian Madd_ (~Madd@p508BF92D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:26.33 | rahul | sporq: yeah, it's called put it all in a test tube and shake it up :) |
| 05:26.40 | xsdg | :o) |
| 05:26.50 | rahul | physics is amazing ;) |
| 05:27.01 | simonrvn | physics? heh |
| 05:27.03 | nictuku | i've read about that kernel 2.6 'gotcha' to fix the blank screen on boot after decompressing the channel. I am having that sympton, but my config is OK to the gotcha, and it is even working (the very same root system) in another computer. other people reported that their screen went blank, but the system kept booting. Mine freezes (no hd LED activity, no reaction to num,caps pressing).I've even disabled VGA16 FB console. nothing worked. anybody knows anything |
| 05:27.03 | Devas- | tix64 i saw debian and i think i should try eheh |
| 05:27.13 | nictuku | decompressing the KERNEL. |
| 05:27.50 | *** join/#debian caeldmz (~caeldmz@HSE-Montreal-ppp32446.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 05:28.08 | rahul | simonrvn? hrh |
| 05:28.32 | xsdg | rahul: shouldn't be too difficult to mock up a few algorithms in ruby |
| 05:28.49 | rahul | xsdg: it would be difficult for me :) |
| 05:29.03 | sporq | once you get a bajillion different sized fragmets from teh dna sashimi you've made with enzymes, then separate them by size with the gel electrophoresis thing? |
| 05:29.07 | xsdg | rahul: then keep reminding me :o) |
| 05:29.08 | rahul | I'd rather implement it so that it would be fast :) |
| 05:29.18 | xsdg | sporq: not quite |
| 05:29.26 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (~LordLamer@pD904BBAB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:29.44 | xsdg | sporq: gel electrophoresis will tell you the (approximate) size of the fragments |
| 05:29.47 | simonrvn | you folks talking about mapping out dna ? |
| 05:29.50 | tchiak | woohoo T1 connection gonna get installed Jan 28th :) |
| 05:30.07 | *** join/#debian protoloco (~segfault@dup-148-221-11-62.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 05:30.19 | sporq | i worked as a lab tech in a lab in college for a year, i think its' interesting |
| 05:30.33 | xsdg | sporq: it's a bit fuzzy now, but for sequencing, you use dideoxyribonucleic acid and some other stuff |
| 05:30.41 | xsdg | iirc |
| 05:30.45 | rahul | hmm |
| 05:30.46 | tix64 | simonrvn: no, it's about making rsync faster for compressed files. |
| 05:30.48 | *** join/#debian ClintZ28 (~clint@rrcs-sw-24-173-73-254.biz.rr.com) |
| 05:30.55 | rahul | xsdg: they also use dna chip arrays, I think |
| 05:30.55 | xsdg | tix64: that's the truth :o) |
| 05:31.07 | rahul | so they can see how much sticks to specific sequences on the chip |
| 05:31.16 | sporq | oooh neat |
| 05:31.41 | xsdg | rahul: actually, I saw this in action at the Whitehead Institute for Genome Research, but I totally forget how it worked |
| 05:31.43 | xsdg | rahul: cool |
| 05:31.57 | *** join/#debian dogmeat (~mp3@c-24-4-208-201.client.comcast.net) |
| 05:32.15 | rahul | dna chips were new back then. I think they're common now |
| 05:32.27 | sporq | biotech moves so fast |
| 05:32.37 | sporq | we complain in it/software |
| 05:32.39 | sporq | heh |
| 05:32.51 | dogmeat | which irc server hosts the #cracking channel? |
| 05:32.56 | sporq | go away |
| 05:32.59 | xsdg | dogmeat: you serious? |
| 05:33.11 | De_Mon | dogmeat try efnet |
| 05:33.18 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 05:33.20 | xsdg | dogmeat: that's not really appropriate here |
| 05:33.42 | tchiak | what server has the #crackheads channel? |
| 05:33.52 | sporq | heh |
| 05:34.00 | xsdg | tchiak: lol |
| 05:34.01 | tix64 | tchiak: you're already in it, man. |
| 05:34.22 | De_Mon | how would i choose which screensaver X uses by default? |
| 05:34.31 | tchiak | tix you wouldn't be a good network admin without at least 4 rows a night |
| 05:34.33 | De_Mon | wait, let me ask google |
| 05:34.47 | tix64 | tchiak: aye |
| 05:34.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 05:34.48 | *** part/#debian dogmeat (~mp3@c-24-4-208-201.client.comcast.net) |
| 05:34.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 05:34.51 | *** join/#debian apieceofcake (~newbie@218-160-76-188.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 05:35.01 | tchiak | i mean how else will you stay up all night dealing with stupid user complaints that make no sense |
| 05:35.20 | *** join/#debian pippin (~pippin@99.80-202-10.nextgentel.com) |
| 05:35.35 | sporq | someone can be force /leave'd with dancer? |
| 05:35.52 | simonrvn | called /remove. better than a /kick |
| 05:35.55 | sporq | cool. ;) |
| 05:36.15 | simonrvn | autorejoin doesn't 'kick' in with /remove |
| 05:36.16 | sporq | i havn't noticed that in hybrid |
| 05:36.29 | simonrvn | (pardon the pun) |
| 05:36.30 | xsdg | sporq: it's not |
| 05:36.34 | sporq | heehe |
| 05:36.45 | *** join/#debian dogmeat (~mp3@c-24-4-208-201.client.comcast.net) |
| 05:36.58 | sporq | pfft |
| 05:37.05 | tchiak | "I can't print! FIX IT NOW!" me> "Did you turn the printer on?" user> "OF COURSE I HAVE THE PRINTER ON WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM AN ID..... oh.. the printer wasen't on.. sorry to bother you" me> *apply head to desk, repeat as neccessary* |
| 05:37.18 | sporq | hahahaha |
| 05:37.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:37.25 | helix | tchiak: your job is awesome |
| 05:37.25 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 05:37.38 | *** join/#debian ClintZ28 (~clint@rrcs-sw-24-173-73-254.biz.rr.com) |
| 05:37.39 | tchiak | i'm technical support |
| 05:37.45 | tchiak | my job sucks |
| 05:37.47 | helix | i never would have guessed that |
| 05:38.02 | simonrvn | :P |
| 05:38.05 | tchiak | it's only cause i'm under 21 that i the people in my building are safe |
| 05:38.05 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (cnseve@adsl-81-7-115-96.takas.lt) |
| 05:38.23 | tchiak | i'm the sacrifical lamb that interfaces between the users and the system admins |
| 05:38.29 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 05:38.50 | xsdg | tchiak: PEBCASL :o) |
| 05:38.58 | tchiak | ? |
| 05:39.31 | simonrvn | problem exists between ASL ? |
| 05:39.33 | *** join/#debian speaker (~damnsmall@AC9CCA88.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:39.55 | xsdg | simonrvn: between chair and sacrificial lamb :oP |
| 05:40.03 | *** join/#debian sone (~sone@208-42-61-221.dynamic-dsl.visi.com) |
| 05:40.08 | *** join/#debian zamolxes (~zamolxes@p16.pub.ro) |
| 05:40.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:40.24 | sporq | 100Mbs isn't fast enough |
| 05:40.26 | speaker | hi all - newbie question- |
| 05:40.28 | tchiak | it's my job to redirect the users stupidity into /null of my brain |
| 05:40.37 | sporq | i need 1000base-T in my apartment |
| 05:40.40 | *** join/#debian Rakko (~eric@c68.115.20.211.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 05:40.50 | tchiak | o_o |
| 05:40.52 | simonrvn | luckilt it's /dev/tchiak/null :P |
| 05:40.57 | simonrvn | *y |
| 05:41.02 | tchiak | it's ok |
| 05:41.03 | Rakko | Hi! Please tell me what command I need to use to find out what *URL* a package was downloaded from. |
| 05:41.10 | zamolxes | erm what alsa modules should I use with 2.4.23? |
| 05:41.23 | simonrvn | Rakko: apt-cache show, man apt-cache |
| 05:41.24 | rahul | Rakko: how do you expect anything to know that? |
| 05:41.27 | xsdg | Rakko: that's not stored anywhere |
| 05:41.30 | tchiak | i keep changing it to /dev/manager/escalate/tier1/guywiththeofficewindow/null |
| 05:41.33 | rahul | simonrvn: WAS, not will be |
| 05:41.34 | Rakko | well that sucks |
| 05:41.36 | xsdg | Rakko: you can tell where it _can_ be downloaded from |
| 05:41.45 | Rakko | I want to know where it *was* from |
| 05:41.54 | *** join/#debian IanT0469 (Ian@dialup-63.210.227.150.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 05:41.54 | xsdg | Rakko: call your ISP? |
| 05:41.57 | tix64 | Rakko: what for? |
| 05:42.02 | Rakko | right now I am trying to reinstall the packages xlibs and xlibs-data |
| 05:42.03 | rahul | Rakko: well, sometimes the two match |
| 05:42.04 | simonrvn | oh |
| 05:42.17 | rahul | Rakko: so reinstall the current versions |
| 05:42.18 | Rakko | apt-get tells me they cannot be downloaded, but doesn't give a reason |
| 05:42.18 | *** join/#debian xavier_ (~xavier@dsl-200-67-48-95.prod-infinitum.com.mx) |
| 05:42.18 | speaker | Openoffice 1.1install needs JRE installed. OO is completetly installed- how do I add it?- ./setup again? |
| 05:42.26 | rahul | or upgrade as the case may be |
| 05:42.35 | tchiak | i should be shot i said "I'll make my primary action my primary resolution, and upgrade your primary transactionary action to my current action" |
| 05:42.39 | Rakko | so I am looking in the debian pool subdirs and can't find any packages beginning with "xlib" |
| 05:42.51 | xsdg | tchiak: rofl |
| 05:42.58 | tchiak | my job is more cryptic than SSH |
| 05:43.07 | xsdg | Rakko: man apt-cache |
| 05:43.09 | rahul | Rakko: are you serious? you don't know how to use apt? what release are you using? |
| 05:43.15 | Rakko | I am serious |
| 05:43.16 | *** join/#debian bztunk_ (~martin@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:8b7) |
| 05:43.18 | Rakko | Sid |
| 05:43.20 | *** join/#debian prox_ (prox@3ffe:b80:d6e:ffff:0:0:0:4) |
| 05:43.21 | rahul | Rakko: I suggest reading the debian users' guide asap |
| 05:43.23 | rahul | haha |
| 05:43.23 | tchiak | i'm mad i don't have ae anymore :P |
| 05:43.26 | IanT0469 | Anyone good at figuring out quotas? |
| 05:43.34 | xsdg | ~tell IanT0469 about sicco |
| 05:43.38 | rahul | Rakko: so you don't know how to use debian, but you're using a developers' version? |
| 05:43.40 | Rakko | I would really like to know if the X debs I've been using until recently were unofficial or official |
| 05:43.54 | *** join/#debian tobb (phikz@h190n2fls32o982.telia.com) |
| 05:44.04 | *** join/#debian Nilbus_ (~nilbus@rdu74-163-030.nc.rr.com) |
| 05:44.10 | IanT0469 | xsdg: I've read most of the man pages, however, I'm still at a loss here. |
| 05:44.13 | rahul | tchiak: you're mad, for sure. |
| 05:44.19 | Rakko | What is the URL for the regular (official) sid xlibs package? Or is 'xlibs' not even the name of an official package? |
| 05:44.20 | *** join/#debian esop (~esop@lgadsl-194-183.eoni.com) |
| 05:44.38 | *** part/#debian Nilbus_ (~nilbus@rdu74-163-030.nc.rr.com) |
| 05:44.42 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 05:44.52 | tix64 | Rakko: apt-cache show tells you all that. |
| 05:44.56 | rahul | oy. |
| 05:45.02 | rahul | Rakko: please, learn how to use apt |
| 05:45.06 | *** join/#debian SYNeR- (S1nn3r@dialup-167.132.220.203.acc01-geor-bat.comindico.com.au) |
| 05:45.21 | *** join/#debian al_ (~al@h2.kdvor.riss-telecom.ru) |
| 05:45.31 | xsdg | IanT0469: SICCO tells you how to ask a question |
| 05:45.31 | rahul | Rakko: nothing apt tells you right now can be trusted |
| 05:45.32 | SYNeR- | how can I install gnome on Sarge? apt-get install gnome-core doesn't install much at all.. Doesn't even install gnome-panel, gnome-session, control-center, etc. |
| 05:46.20 | rahul | SYNeR-: tried "gnome"? |
| 05:46.24 | SYNeR- | yep |
| 05:46.26 | rahul | I know, it's a stretch |
| 05:46.46 | gb | ey? |
| 05:46.51 | rahul | SYNeR-: so you're all set |
| 05:46.59 | *** join/#debian Javi87 (~javi87@h-64-105-65-32.PHNDAZ91.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 05:47.02 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:daba:ad0a) |
| 05:47.12 | *** join/#debian ^^MAg^^ (mag@magus.entropy.be) |
| 05:47.38 | somiaj | SYNeR-: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 05:47.38 | *** join/#debian xkb (~xkb@cp15731-b.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 05:47.56 | xsdg | gb: haven't been picking on users much today... I'm impressed ;o) |
| 05:48.24 | rahul | xsdg: I've been doing double duty |
| 05:48.29 | *** join/#debian gatoraid (~klanker@64.215.209.4) |
| 05:48.34 | *** join/#debian pngwn (pngwn@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:cda7:6106) |
| 05:49.03 | somiaj | SYNeR-: you may want to add nautilus to that list if you want the file manager which also controls the desktop icons and such, and you don't need sawfish, its just the default window manager. |
| 05:49.10 | xsdg | rahul: :o) |
| 05:49.18 | *** join/#debian Javi87 (~javi87@h-64-105-65-32.PHNDAZ91.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 05:49.33 | rahul | you need sawfish. it's the window manager. (until define-window-manager works) |
| 05:50.15 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 05:50.26 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 05:50.31 | *** join/#debian Woss (~dewi@dsl-203-113-211-66.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 05:50.34 | *** join/#debian prox (prox@3ffe:b80:d6e:ffff:0:0:0:4) |
| 05:50.44 | IanT0469 | My quota problem is this: I keep on getting a Disk quota exceeded message *AS ROOT* when I try to change the UID and GID of files. I've checked with quota to verify that I've got quota's turned off, however, I'm still missing something here...I think I just need to be pointed in the right direction. |
| 05:50.50 | *** join/#debian dewey (~dewey@12-231-88-119.client.attbi.com) |
| 05:51.06 | SYNeR- | ah ok |
| 05:51.09 | SYNeR- | thanks rahul, somebody_else |
| 05:51.10 | SYNeR- | err |
| 05:51.13 | SYNeR- | thanks rahul, somiaj |
| 05:51.20 | rahul | IanT0469: root can't override the quotas |
| 05:51.36 | SYNeR- | so I guess just have to install gnome-session, gnome-control-center & sawfish seperately.. there's no meta-package for gnome?> |
| 05:51.39 | rahul | IanT0469: dunno about turning them off... |
| 05:51.48 | rahul | SYNeR-: um... "gnome" |
| 05:51.59 | *** join/#debian kmilo (~kmilo@200.105.93.232) |
| 05:51.59 | SYNeR- | doesn't work |
| 05:52.07 | somiaj | SYNeR-: there is one in 'sid' and not in woody, though I'm surprised there isn't one for sage yet. |
| 05:52.08 | IanT0469 | rahul: FWIK, quotas are off! That's why I'm boggled on this one! |
| 05:52.30 | SYNeR- | ah ok |
| 05:52.37 | rahul | "doesn't work"? |
| 05:52.49 | SYNeR- | yer... package 'gnome' doesn't exist |
| 05:52.54 | sporq | if it helps, there is 10% of every filesystem that is reserved for th eroot user |
| 05:52.55 | rahul | somiaj: the packages it brings in are probably broken :) |
| 05:53.01 | *** join/#debian sloopy (~sloopy@pcp04332934pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:53.09 | rahul | somiaj: it's gnome after all :) |
| 05:53.26 | SYNeR- | & gnome-core is just some other packages.. not gnome-session, etc. |
| 05:53.31 | *** join/#debian noseman (~noseman@as2modemip212.eafit.edu.co) |
| 05:53.37 | sporq | thisis configurable per filesystem with one of the filesystem tools |
| 05:53.42 | *** join/#debian poh (poh@alb-24-195-52-187.nycap.rr.com) |
| 05:53.42 | rahul | Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 43), gnome-office (= 43), evolution | balsa, bluefish, netspeed, rhythmbox, synaptic | gnome-apt, xscreensaver |
| 05:53.53 | Justin_ | IanT0469: have you ever had quoatas on? |
| 05:54.14 | *** part/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 05:54.19 | poh | sorry for the way ot but is there a way in windows xp to create an image of a floppy disk without downloading any programs? |
| 05:54.31 | tix64 | rahul: that's sid, isn't it? |
| 05:54.36 | xsdg | poh: not that I know of |
| 05:54.41 | SYNeR- | yea |
| 05:54.45 | sporq | poh, rawrite isn't very big though |
| 05:54.47 | rahul | tix64: yes |
| 05:54.49 | SYNeR- | gnome-desktop-environment is for sid, i think |
| 05:54.51 | SYNeR- | bah |
| 05:54.54 | rahul | tix64: that's why I'm pasiting it |
| 05:54.56 | rahul | erg |
| 05:54.57 | *** join/#debian dalhagen (~dalhagen@65.122.200.75) |
| 05:54.59 | SYNeR- | will just install stuff manually.. can't hurt I suppose |
| 05:55.04 | rahul | Depends: gnome-core (= 43), acme (>= 2.0), epiphany-browser (>= 1.0) | galeon (>= 1.3), file-roller (>= 2.4.1), calctool, esound, fam, gconf-editor (>= 2.4.0), gnome-gv, gnome-about (>= 2.4), gnome-games (>= 2.4.0), gnome-media (>= 2.4), gnome-system-monitor (>= 2.4), gnome-themes (>= 2.4), gnome2-user-guide (>= 2.4.0), gnome-utils (>= 2.4.1), gnomemeeting, gpdf, gucharmap, nautilus-cd-burner, nautilus-media, zenity |
| 05:55.11 | rahul | there :) |
| 05:55.16 | SYNeR- | heh |
| 05:55.35 | *** join/#debian scruffy_ (~scrfy@user104.greenwood.net) |
| 05:55.53 | dalhagen | Hey guys. I'm attempting to recover from a Solaris partition on a disk image. |
| 05:56.31 | poh | sporq: thanks |
| 05:56.36 | xsdg | sporq: rofl |
| 05:56.42 | sporq | ;D |
| 05:57.14 | dalhagen | I've tried gpart on the disk image.. tried offsetting into the image with a loop device and seeing if it looks like a ufs partition.. any suggestions? |
| 05:57.35 | *** join/#debian CASP6 (andrius@212.47.103.66) |
| 05:58.10 | *** join/#debian Jacobo221 (~Jacobo@80.224.221.80) |
| 05:58.19 | xsdg | wow... I wonder if encyclopedia.com is being DoSed |
| 05:58.19 | peterS | dalhagen: sounds daunting. good luck. you've already tried the basic approach I would try |
| 05:58.42 | kmilo | somebody here use gtkmm from sarge? |
| 05:58.47 | rahul | sporq: HEH |
| 05:58.57 | sporq | wikipedia is nice, if you need a source |
| 05:59.06 | sporq | i donated some money to them a little while ago |
| 06:00.11 | dalhagen | peterS: Yeah hehe. I'm pretty sure the image isn't corrupt (at least cksum and md5sums match) and I *know* the machine it was in, booted it, before we made the image. |
| 06:00.15 | *** join/#debian SmileR^ (~smiler@c-31c370d5.026-7-6f72652.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:01.06 | *** part/#debian gatoraid (~klanker@64.215.209.4) |
| 06:01.10 | peterS | dalhagen: the gpart manpage doesn't mention ufs |
| 06:01.19 | *** join/#debian Brutus (~Brutus@bzq-219-206.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 06:01.23 | sporq | ugh |
| 06:01.27 | sporq | ufs |
| 06:01.28 | dalhagen | It mentioned disklabels though. |
| 06:01.30 | *** join/#debian tuxillo (~tuxillo@cliente-217217029098.uBRgrb01.supercable.es) |
| 06:01.33 | tuxillo | Hello |
| 06:01.40 | sporq | there are a billion fs implementations called ufs |
| 06:01.41 | tuxillo | Someone here has a nforce2 chip? |
| 06:02.00 | dalhagen | peterS: s86dl |
| 06:02.10 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (~mike@pcp99553pcs.malvrn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 06:02.10 | Justin_ | dalhagen: what does file say? |
| 06:02.17 | peterS | dalhagen: yeah. so does it find a disklabel? |
| 06:02.21 | sporq | i'm sure solaris's is proabbly pretty well supported by some things though |
| 06:02.22 | dalhagen | Which it didn't say. 'file' just says 'data'.. |
| 06:02.24 | sporq | take heart :) |
| 06:02.42 | sone | tuxillo, ask your question |
| 06:03.08 | tuxillo | I can't get my lm-sensors working :( |
| 06:03.09 | peterS | dalhagen: that seems to imply the disklabel format is just for solaris/x86. is this solaris/x86 or solaris/sparc? |
| 06:03.20 | simonrvn | Be right back. |
| 06:03.26 | dalhagen | gpart didn't find a thing. This is/was Solaris/x86. |
| 06:03.27 | sone | I haven't done that either |
| 06:03.43 | tuxillo | Im on a 2.6 kernel and, in the i2c there's no module called i2c-proc, and lm-sensors requires it |
| 06:03.45 | SYNeR- | tuxillo: I'm running an Nforce2 mobo. |
| 06:04.23 | tuxillo | SYNeR-: Do you use lm-sensors? |
| 06:04.54 | *** join/#debian droopy_ (~droopy@cpe-024-165-112-018.cinci.rr.com) |
| 06:05.12 | SYNeR- | tuxillo: nop |
| 06:05.52 | droopy_ | enoffice/1.1.0/program |
| 06:05.53 | droopy_ | 1.7M ./.openoffice/1.1.0 |
| 06:05.53 | droopy_ | 1.7M ./.openoffice |
| 06:05.53 | droopy_ | 1.0K ./.glabels |
| 06:05.53 | droopy_ | 1.0K ./XEphem |
| 06:05.53 | droopy_ | 3.0K ./.putty |
| 06:05.53 | *** kick/#debian [droopy_!~debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu] by debhelper (flood) |
| 06:06.11 | tuxillo | :( |
| 06:06.13 | *** join/#debian zamolxes (~zamolxes@p16.pub.ro) |
| 06:06.16 | tuxillo | SYNeR-: Did you try it? |
| 06:06.19 | *** join/#debian droopy_ (~droopy@cpe-024-165-112-018.cinci.rr.com) |
| 06:06.53 | SYNeR- | heh nop, sorry. Never bothered |
| 06:06.53 | tix64 | tuxillo: there are no working userspace tools for lm-sensors on 2.6 yet. |
| 06:07.06 | zamolxes | where can i get alsa-modules for 2.4.23? from? |
| 06:07.10 | apieceofcake | nice kick :/ |
| 06:07.21 | *** join/#debian Shaun2222 (~sys@ip68-111-70-41.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 06:07.27 | tuxillo | tix64: So, how can I setup this? |
| 06:07.41 | tix64 | tuxillo: you can't on 2.6. |
| 06:07.55 | *** join/#debian esop (~esop@lgadsl-194-183.eoni.com) |
| 06:08.19 | debian | yeah, a full directory listing is all we need here. :) |
| 06:08.41 | *** part/#debian carlos (carlos@IP203-97-106-13.compass.net.nz) |
| 06:09.00 | tuxillo | tix64: But on earlier kernels I do not have nforce2 smbus support :( |
| 06:09.14 | *** join/#debian mickeyks (~nathan@c66-235-51-107.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 06:09.16 | droopy_ | do you have to restart hotplug to make usb see a new device?? if so how do you let users restart? And can you let users mount loop devices ?? |
| 06:09.34 | tix64 | tuxillo: just be a little bit patient. it will all be good soon. |
| 06:09.44 | *** join/#debian cafuego_ (cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 06:10.01 | tuxillo | tix64: Did you had the same problem or you just know it? |
| 06:10.35 | SYNeR- | bbl |
| 06:10.42 | tix64 | tuxillo: no. never used lm-sensors. i just googled for their website and took a look for you. 'cause i'm such a nice guy. |
| 06:10.54 | debian | droopy_: hotplug is.....hotplug. |
| 06:11.07 | apieceofcake | why? |
| 06:11.11 | nevyn | droopy_: no you don't have to restart hotplug. |
| 06:11.14 | tuxillo | tix64: Thank you. What website do you refer? |
| 06:11.34 | tix64 | tuxillo: http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/ |
| 06:11.35 | droopy_ | debian it usually says no device |
| 06:11.54 | debian | droopy_: do you see if after you restart it? |
| 06:12.05 | nt0[x] | Where can I get a howto for debians PPPoE ? |
| 06:12.14 | droopy_ | debian hotplug.... yes |
| 06:12.45 | debian | droopy_: file a bug and tell them they suck. :) |
| 06:13.10 | mickeyks | who was the regular here who said he had a ccna |
| 06:13.12 | tuxillo | tix64: lm-sensors detects my smbus |
| 06:13.33 | debian | mickeyks: ccna is just 1/100th of a ccie. :) |
| 06:13.40 | *** join/#debian noseman (noseman@conm200-58-195-117.epm.net.co) |
| 06:13.43 | tix64 | tuxillo: and? |
| 06:13.54 | mickeyks | debian: i know. why, do you have a ccie? |
| 06:14.00 | *** join/#debian scoopex (~marc@td90919e4.adsl.terralink.de) |
| 06:14.00 | debian | mickeyks: unless you're going to take ccna here, feel free to ask |
| 06:14.00 | tuxillo | It loads kernel module successfully |
| 06:14.07 | *** join/#debian jnansi (~jatin@202.149.213.194) |
| 06:14.12 | debian | mickeyks: do I look like having two heads and a tail? :) |
| 06:14.36 | tix64 | tuxillo: as i said. the _userspace_ tools aren't just ready for 2.6 yet. |
| 06:14.45 | mickeyks | debian: my brother is one, and he's more or less human |
| 06:14.58 | debian | mickeyks: you can't tell! |
| 06:15.15 | debian | mickeyks: why don't you skip asking your bro and find a ccna here? :) |
| 06:15.19 | tuxillo | tix64: Ok. Thanks a lot man, very kind |
| 06:15.26 | debian | do/ |
| 06:15.30 | tix64 | tuxillo: you're welcome |
| 06:15.36 | mickeyks | debian: erm, that's why i was asking who the ccna here was |
| 06:16.04 | *** join/#debian ]Gaia[ (~nobody@62.211.216.216) |
| 06:16.09 | mickeyks | i actually know the material pretty well, i just want to talk to someone who has taken the test |
| 06:16.44 | droopy_ | THANKS ALL |
| 06:17.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 626] by debhelper |
| 06:17.08 | *** join/#debian IanT0469 (Ian@dialup-171.75.114.184.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 06:17.23 | *** join/#debian difeta (~difeta@12-211-68-89.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:18.03 | difeta | im trying to mount a nfs share on my server an im getting this error: mount: RPC: Program not registered.. any ideas? |
| 06:18.07 | *** part/#debian Rakko (~eric@c68.115.20.211.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 06:18.26 | IanT0469 | Anyone know how to turn quotas off, idealistically without unmounting the disk, or trying to reboot the server (it's a dedicated server, and I don't have physical access to the machine) |
| 06:19.03 | Justin_ | IanT0469: quotaoff /drive ? |
| 06:19.32 | *** join/#debian Lancelot_ (~Lancelot@80-219-21-171.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:20.23 | IanT0469 | quotaoff: quotactl on (filesystem) : Device or resource busy |
| 06:20.41 | IanT0469 | Justin_: thought of that. :( |
| 06:21.04 | *** join/#debian SpArTaK (~spartakus@pcp04149742pcs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 06:21.08 | noseman | exist intel 536ep driver for 2.6.0? |
| 06:21.30 | cef | bbk |
| 06:21.59 | debian | ~bbk |
| 06:23.50 | *** join/#debian CasStyle (casstyle@200.69.115.19) |
| 06:23.53 | debian | mickeyks: I'd just take the ccie direclty if I were you |
| 06:24.21 | debian | mickeyks: ccna and ccnp are just CISCO way to squeeze more money from victims |
| 06:24.57 | CasStyle | How can I know which QT or GTK version I have installed? |
| 06:24.57 | Stripes | anyone know what "nls charset cp437" is? |
| 06:25.26 | peterS | Stripes: code page 437 is the IBM US-English code page from the MS-DOS years |
| 06:25.41 | Stripes | ahh.. alrighty.. thanks |
| 06:25.42 | peterS | Stripes: one possible way file names on FAT filesystems might be encoded |
| 06:25.55 | somiaj | CasStyle: dpkg -l <package name> to see the version |
| 06:26.07 | peterS | Stripes: the other common one is CP850, which is the Western European one and is similar to Latin-1 |
| 06:26.15 | CasStyle | somiaj: thank you. |
| 06:26.15 | Stripes | for some reason it's trying to load it at boot on this 2.6.0 kernel I just compiled and it's panicing |
| 06:26.27 | *** join/#debian finaldesktop (Server@213.233.126.130) |
| 06:26.41 | *** join/#debian Invisible_Optiks (~blah@tconl92168.tconl.com) |
| 06:27.15 | *** join/#debian songpenguin (~songpengu@c-24-6-195-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 06:27.19 | difeta | whats a good way to automatically backup my server /etc and /home information on a server across the network? |
| 06:27.23 | Invisible_Optiks | Is there a special wireless ifconfig for Debian? Something like iwconfig? |
| 06:27.35 | Stripes | ya... get the wireless tools |
| 06:27.36 | sone | difeta, while I don't know for sure, look into rsync |
| 06:27.45 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 06:27.46 | difeta | k |
| 06:27.49 | peterS | Stripes: loading CP437 might happen if you mount a FAT or ISO9660 filesystem. but if it fails it should just ignore it and move on - not panic |
| 06:28.50 | peterS | Invisible_Optiks: iwconfig is in 'wireless-tools' as Stripes just implied |
| 06:28.53 | *** join/#debian achaoge (~achaoge@218.88.79.211) |
| 06:29.16 | Stripes | I am really pissed at 2.6.0. I can't seem to get it to boot, there is always some sort of fs error and the only fs I have is ext2... it's a 2 day old basic debian 3.0 install, nothing weird here |
| 06:29.44 | debian | Stripes: .0 are meant to be like that. :) |
| 06:29.46 | sone | Stripes, are you using initrd? |
| 06:30.04 | peterS | if it's a basic debian 3.0 install, modules won't work. 2.6.0 requires 'module-init-tools' which does not exist on woody |
| 06:30.08 | peterS | Stripes: ^^^ |
| 06:30.37 | peterS | Stripes: so if you're trying to load modules, that will fail. I know there is a backport of module-init-tools floating around somewhere but I don't know where |
| 06:30.56 | Stripes | so should I upgrade to unstable? |
| 06:31.14 | peterS | Stripes: you might, or at least find a woody-compatible module-init-tools somewhere |
| 06:31.23 | noseman | Stripes download and compile |
| 06:31.29 | somiaj | Stripes: check out apt-get.org or backport(s).org and look for a backport first. |
| 06:31.46 | sone | Stripes, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/HOWTO-Linux-2.6-Woody.gz |
| 06:32.01 | Stripes | k |
| 06:32.12 | mickeyks | debian: nonsense. it would take at least a couple of years of studying to get the ccie, plus hands-on knowledge i dont have, and i can get the ccna now |
| 06:32.14 | *** join/#debian exobyte (~exobyte@66.242.169.25) |
| 06:32.16 | sone | (probably you need to grab the kernel-package from somewhere cause it probably isn't in woody yet) :) |
| 06:32.24 | somiaj | sone: that probably doesn't exist in the 'woody' version of kernel-package. |
| 06:32.29 | mickeyks | debian: besides, cisco doesn't actually make money from the tests themselves |
| 06:32.47 | exobyte | I'm getting this error when I view the my ppp error log. Any ideas? Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 06:32.55 | sone | Stripes, I can send it if want. |
| 06:33.12 | *** join/#debian aum (~aum@port-203-99-28-18.jet.net.nz) |
| 06:33.18 | Stripes | I already had it actually |
| 06:33.19 | Stripes | I just checked |
| 06:33.27 | aum | hi - can anyone access anoncvs on sourceforge? i keep getting 'end of file from server' |
| 06:33.27 | sone | good deal. |
| 06:33.31 | Stripes | :) |
| 06:33.49 | sone | that's odd, it just showed upon my system 2 days ago |
| 06:34.04 | somiaj | Stripes: wow, I'm surprised since the latest kernel was 2.5.something when woody was released, kernel package must of been updated in the revisions. |
| 06:34.04 | *** part/#debian thiccups (~thiccups@c-24-245-18-105.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 06:34.37 | somiaj | aum: I've had that problem before, just try and try again and eventally it worked was my fix. |
| 06:34.55 | *** join/#debian Shorty` (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 06:34.58 | Stripes | I've been working on trying get 2.6.0 to work for like 2 whole days, so I must have seen somewhere that I needed that and got it |
| 06:35.22 | *** join/#debian jm_ (~jm@manhattan.unsavoury.net) |
| 06:35.43 | Stripes | I'm upgrading everything to unstable now :) |
| 06:35.50 | aum | somiaj: thx |
| 06:36.16 | sone | i'm learning how to automate kernel patches using make-kpkg |
| 06:36.20 | sone | cool stuff... |
| 06:36.25 | *** join/#debian carles (~carles@164.125.64.51) |
| 06:36.53 | Stripes | I have a friend that lives in thailand who's name is aum |
| 06:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 619] by debhelper |
| 06:37.00 | debian | sone: the one thing I stuck with is to make the version no. meaningful. :D |
| 06:37.28 | sone | what do you mean? |
| 06:37.40 | *** join/#debian rich_ (~rich@12-231-165-9.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:37.41 | sone | extraversion? |
| 06:37.45 | rich_ | Hello |
| 06:37.56 | sone | I envy you. I wish I was rich_. |
| 06:38.12 | gb | ey? |
| 06:38.16 | mickeyks | who's rich? |
| 06:38.16 | IanT0469 | I Swear to everything that is holy I hate Dial-Up with an ever-loving passion. |
| 06:38.21 | rich_ | sone Im not wealthy, its just my first name |
| 06:38.22 | debian | sone: --revision |
| 06:38.32 | gb | wish in one hand, piss in the other, then see which gets full first |
| 06:38.47 | deadcat | when doing a dd, does both disk have to be same size? |
| 06:38.55 | sone | hmm haven't messed with --revision. I use --append-to-version |
| 06:39.24 | gb | depends on if you prefer your dd to be truncated or not |
| 06:39.36 | debian | sone: does it replace the older version deb you previously made? |
| 06:39.45 | sone | debian, nope it makes a new one |
| 06:39.54 | debian | sone: :/ |
| 06:39.58 | deadcat | gb: if i dd a 1gig image to a 2gig partition. i wasted 1 gig of space? |
| 06:40.04 | rich_ | deadcat I dont think so but of course your subject to the laws of physics... a bid disk image wont fit on a small disk |
| 06:40.10 | rich_ | big |
| 06:40.24 | sone | debian, aren't there problems with installing modules over the same version anyway? |
| 06:40.26 | peterS | deadcat: until you resize the filesystem, yeah |
| 06:40.38 | debian | sone: I usually remake them |
| 06:40.46 | peterS | deadcat: there are several tools to resize an ext2 or ext3 filesystem - not sure about other fses |
| 06:41.02 | debian | sone: e.g. nvidia, glx, i2c, lmsensors |
| 06:41.18 | deadcat | peterS: ok.. does dd do /dev/hda or /dev/hdaX or both? |
| 06:41.22 | debian | sone: just one command away. Sweet |
| 06:41.24 | sone | i'm referring specifically to the modules that come with the kernel |
| 06:41.33 | Justin_ | you really shouldn't use dd if you can avoid it |
| 06:41.42 | sone | like installing modules on top of the running kernel is bad |
| 06:41.44 | Justin_ | using tar is a much better idea |
| 06:41.46 | debian | sone: they'd be included in the same kernel-image deb you made no? |
| 06:42.08 | deadcat | Justin_: for ghosting machines? dump and tar? |
| 06:42.11 | debian | right, dd is slow and slow |
| 06:42.11 | sone | yes, but if you install that .deb won't it clobber your running modules? |
| 06:42.17 | *** join/#debian Shango (~fool@194.51.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 06:42.17 | debian | use parted if you really need to |
| 06:42.28 | Justin_ | lets see |
| 06:42.50 | debian | use dd when the extra time waste on dd is less than the time you go and make coffee. :) |
| 06:42.51 | Justin_ | dd: os independant, waste of space... |
| 06:43.04 | deadcat | k |
| 06:43.25 | debian | Justin_: os? what other os you're referring to? :) |
| 06:43.37 | Justin_ | tar: need some unix, file system independant, saves space, and has the added effect of letting you switch filesystems and defrag |
| 06:43.37 | Shango | I have an Inspiron laptop running unstable that I just installed 2.4.23-1-686 on. I ran lilo, got the usuall Added message and now when I reboot I get unable to mount root fs on both the new and old kernel |
| 06:43.59 | Shango | I have tried setting root=/dev/hda... with no success. Anyone give me a hand? |
| 06:44.07 | debian | Shango: what root fs you use? |
| 06:44.10 | Stripes | won't expanding a partition always keep all your data intact because you are only messing with space that you don't have anything on |
| 06:44.13 | Shango | ext3 |
| 06:44.20 | Justin_ | debian: you can dd freebsd partition from linux back and forth |
| 06:44.26 | debian | Shango: do you have ext3 compiled into kernel? |
| 06:44.29 | gb | they stop my fingers from falling off |
| 06:44.36 | Shango | debian: been using the debian kernels |
| 06:44.38 | *** join/#debian zamolxes (~zamolxes@p16.pub.ro) |
| 06:44.38 | *** join/#debian dewey (~dewey@12-231-88-119.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:44.46 | debian | Justin_: oic |
| 06:44.52 | *** join/#debian peter5 (~peter@156.26.14.44) |
| 06:44.54 | *** join/#debian jack__ (jack@12-241-220-239.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:45.05 | debian | Shango: let me see if this answer my question. :) |
| 06:45.30 | Shango | debian: the thing that is odd is that it won't boot with the old kernel either |
| 06:45.33 | jack|LT | so I'm trying to figure out hwo to get the best performance in X out of my video card, and I don't really know where to begin... Anyone have a place to point me? I'm wanting to get OpenGL acceleration working mostly. |
| 06:45.40 | *** join/#debian zignig (~simon@i008-128.nv.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:45.42 | gb | shango, please state file system you are trying to boot & confirmation that you have everything needed to boot the said partition |
| 06:45.47 | Shango | debian: and yes, im using the debian kernels on several other machines and it has ext3 |
| 06:46.13 | Justin_ | jack|LT: what video card would that be? |
| 06:46.27 | debian | Shango: your problem exists in your laptop or the other machines you've just mentioned? |
| 06:46.31 | gb | stock debian kernels use initrd if im not mistaken & load the modules before mounting / |
| 06:46.32 | Justin_ | Shango: you need to 1) tell us what you did exactly, 2) tell us why it doesn't work, eactly |
| 06:46.37 | Shango | debian: just on the laptop |
| 06:46.43 | debian | Justin_: thanks. :~) |
| 06:46.59 | debian | Shango: so, can you answer my question now? Do you have ext3 compiled into kernel? |
| 06:47.05 | Shango | Justin_: its running unstable, i brought it upto date, installed kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 and the pcmica modules package to go with it, ran lilo, rebooted |
| 06:47.07 | jack|LT | Justin_: Silicon Motion SM710 Lynx EM |
| 06:47.12 | gb | if you tried compiling your own, I suggest not using an initrd kernel & compiling support in for the fs you intend to use for / |
| 06:47.16 | Shango | debian: ext3 is included with the debian kernels |
| 06:47.17 | *** part/#debian kmilo (~kmilo@200.105.93.232) |
| 06:47.27 | Justin_ | Shango: did you add the line to lilo.conf like it told you to? |
| 06:47.37 | Justin_ | jack|LT: never heard of it heh |
| 06:47.49 | Justin_ | jack|LT: does that even do 3d? |
| 06:48.07 | deadcat | jack|LT: it doesnt do 3d. |
| 06:48.16 | Shango | Justin_: if you are refereing to the initrd line, then yes, it was already there from previous kernels, didn't see any other messages about modifying lilo.conf |
| 06:48.24 | deadcat | jack|LT: i think my laptop's card is the same.. using generic drivers. |
| 06:48.26 | gb | if the only thing you learn is how the kernel works, thats fine |
| 06:48.26 | jack|LT | deadcat: you sure? I thought i read somewhere that it does (which was surprising since it's in a laptop) |
| 06:48.27 | *** join/#debian peterS (~peter@156.26.14.44) |
| 06:48.43 | *** join/#debian aggregate (~aggy@ip68-14-177-243.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 06:48.56 | *** join/#debian Shorty- (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 06:49.07 | *** join/#debian SYNeR- (S1nn3r@dialup-167.132.220.203.acc01-geor-bat.comindico.com.au) |
| 06:49.21 | Justin_ | Shango: what is your root= set to? |
| 06:49.22 | tix64 | gb: well, i didn't learn how the kernel works by compiling it. |
| 06:49.56 | gb | tix64: thats pretty sad then, because it probably means you moronically failed to rtfm |
| 06:50.08 | Shango | Justin_: /dev/hda2 |
| 06:50.17 | *** join/#debian pjv (~pjv@175.b.003.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 06:50.28 | pjv | what's a good digital camera that also has webcam capabilities? |
| 06:50.28 | Shango | Justin_: works just find on several other machines with the same config, I also tried passing root=/dev/ide/.../part2 and it failed too |
| 06:50.59 | gb | pjv, google.com broken? |
| 06:51.22 | tix64 | gb: huh? what "manual" explains how the kernel works? |
| 06:51.35 | Justin_ | Shango: "failed" how? |
| 06:51.36 | *** join/#debian knix (~jimmy@adsl-63-193-210-167.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 06:51.52 | mickeyks | i've compiled my kernel several times and i'm far from knowing how it works |
| 06:51.53 | rich_ | I think compileing a kernel is something everybody should do but not neccessarily right now, so I defer to the topic, because the 2.6 kernel is worth it. Its time to switch to it even if you cant compile it yet :) |
| 06:52.20 | Shango | Justin_: same message about being unable to mount root fs, when it boots I see the partitions listed in the part check |
| 06:52.22 | debian | Shango: grep CONFIG_EXT3_FS /boot/config-2.4.23 |
| 06:52.23 | mickeyks | unless we're talking about how to make the compiling work |
| 06:52.23 | aggregate | ah.. and it's a good lesson... 'cause w/ 2.6.x you're gonna have to learn how to patch :D |
| 06:52.31 | Stripes | damn the 2.6 to hell! it has sucked away the last 2 days of my life and I have nothign to show for it |
| 06:52.33 | Stripes | :)( |
| 06:52.42 | Shango | debian: can |
| 06:53.05 | Shango | debian: er, to do it on that machine I will have to boot Knoppix on it again... just a sec |
| 06:53.06 | gb | rich_: how the kernel works is not restricted to one manual |
| 06:53.13 | debian | Shango: I thought you're already boot with rescue cd while we're at it |
| 06:53.25 | Justin_ | Shango: what message |
| 06:53.28 | gb | but rtfm gives you a very good idea of how a lot of things function or indeed fail |
| 06:53.30 | debian | Shango: why not just the plain debian installation cd for rescue. :) |
| 06:53.46 | Shango | debian: ok, ill do that :) completely forgot that the install discs doubled as rescue discs |
| 06:54.05 | *** part/#debian dogmeat (~mp3@c-24-4-208-201.client.comcast.net) |
| 06:54.29 | *** join/#debian zinx (~zinx@adsl-220-201-1.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:54.35 | debian | Shango: Shango: while you're booting, can you answer Justin's question? |
| 06:54.40 | gb | true disaassembling a motor & reassembling it doesn't instruct you on the subtleties of how to build your own engine, but if you are clever enough you can read the appropriate docs to do so |
| 06:55.04 | *** join/#debian sigjuice (~sigjuice@c-67-169-189-78.client.comcast.net) |
| 06:55.09 | tix64 | gb: but that has nothing to do with learning to compile the kernel. i read many docs and books to actually learn _how the kernel works_, not to learn how to compile it. |
| 06:55.12 | Shango | Justin_: Unable to mount root fs "hda2" or 03:03. |
| 06:55.15 | mickeyks | gb: but are you a moron if you don't? |
| 06:55.26 | gb | tix64: good for you |
| 06:55.29 | Justin_ | Shango: and whats above that |
| 06:55.45 | debian | tix64: hahah. that own |
| 06:55.49 | gb | mickeyks: don't what? |
| 06:55.57 | *** join/#debian Caimlas (~Caimlas@host-13-196-9-69.midco.net) |
| 06:56.32 | Shango | Justin_: don't now, machine is booting up the debian rescue cd right now... |
| 06:56.40 | Shango | Justin_: know even |
| 06:56.46 | mickeyks | gb: don't read the docs about how to build your own engine. maybe all you wanted to do in the short term is make the one you have work better. |
| 06:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 613] by debhelper |
| 06:57.22 | gb | mickeyks: in short who really cares, if people want to know how to do something they should go rtcfm |
| 06:57.28 | Caimlas | anyone happen to know of any 'older'/unsynced sid repositories? I accidentially apt-get upgraded, and got a buggy kde build that's shite. |
| 06:57.34 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm10.omega173.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 06:57.36 | *** part/#debian pjv (~pjv@175.b.003.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 06:57.43 | debian | stop the meta-rtfm discussion. :) |
| 06:58.02 | somiaj | Caimlas: do you have your older packages in /var/cache/apt/archives still? |
| 06:58.03 | peterS | Caimlas: there is snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:58.25 | gb | bleating about something not working is no substitute for rtcfm |
| 06:58.29 | mickeyks | gb: but what you're calling him a moron for not doing is also something that you are admitting he didn't need to do |
| 06:58.42 | *** join/#debian datoch (~datoch@81.95.160.44) |
| 06:58.42 | *** join/#debian killaaaa (~killakamn@24-90-196-203.nyc.rr.com) |
| 06:59.01 | gb | mickeyks: you are mistaken, that is your opinion not what I stated |
| 06:59.11 | *** part/#debian killaaaa (~killakamn@24-90-196-203.nyc.rr.com) |
| 06:59.11 | Shango | Justin_, debian: ok, I just booted the rescue CD reran lilo and it works... dunno what whas wrong, thanks for your time |
| 06:59.13 | mwilson | How does someone "accidentally" type 'apt-get upgrade', and not only let it download all the packages, but install them as well? |
| 06:59.22 | mickeyks | gb: i read what you stated pretty carefully. |
| 06:59.27 | Caimlas | peterS: wow, that's useful. |
| 06:59.59 | *** join/#debian rune (~rune@dhcp-166-87.cable.infonet.ee) |
| 07:00.23 | Caimlas | peterS: any idea how I might be able to remove all packages installed since a certain date? |
| 07:00.29 | Caimlas | (easily, without bit-digging) |
| 07:00.36 | rich_ | mwilson It probably means they did not realise how dangerous it was. |
| 07:01.08 | peterS | Caimlas: "since a certain date" - do 'ls -lctr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list' to see when packages have been installed, in order, I guess |
| 07:01.22 | debian | mwilson: regardless of how risky it is, if it works against their wills, it's accident. :) |
| 07:01.24 | gb | mickeyks: doing one moronic action doesn't automatically make sumone a moron, if you choose to fit into that category fine, but that is your choice, there is ample documentation available for all kernels, stock debian & otherwise to fix problems of booting |
| 07:01.27 | *** join/#debian nulltank (~nullman@c-66-41-110-140.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 07:01.44 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (~fhaberman@213.69.230.18) |
| 07:01.48 | Caimlas | mwilson: it means i wasn't paying attention and hit 'y' when there were packages I did not wish to have upgraded. just because I wasn't paying attention doesn't mena it wasn't an accident. |
| 07:01.48 | debian | now the dicussion moves to meta-meta-rtfm |
| 07:02.11 | SYNeR- | heh |
| 07:02.37 | linxuz3r | ;) |
| 07:02.39 | gb | no meta if the cap fits where it :) |
| 07:02.39 | linxuz3r | hi |
| 07:02.46 | gb | oops wear |
| 07:02.47 | linxuz3r | does anyone use tiemu? |
| 07:03.36 | *** join/#debian Prosthetic_Mind (Prosthetic@208-59-156-177.s177.tnt1.frdb.va.dialup.rcn.com) |
| 07:03.44 | Caimlas | debian: actually, in this case, it really was an accident. I was on the system in quesiton, and ssh'd into the box I wanted to upgrade... but didn't type it in the correct terminal. |
| 07:03.44 | debian | !tiemu |
| 07:04.19 | debian | Caimlas: shit happens. Have you reached the snapshot yet? |
| 07:04.52 | gb | hehe |
| 07:05.00 | Dewi | hmm. I'm pretty sure that when I installed "php4" dpkg displayed a whole screen of useful information on how to set it up. Is there a way I can see that again? |
| 07:05.33 | debian | Dewi: ctrl-pageup? |
| 07:05.39 | gb | reminds me of one of our sysadmins who ssh'd into work & then typed halt on what he thought was his box at home before turning it & it's noisy fan off |
| 07:05.46 | Dewi | debian : months later... |
| 07:05.55 | linxuz3r | does anyone use tiemu?? |
| 07:05.57 | *** join/#debian ricmm (ricky@200.47.143.122) |
| 07:05.58 | *** part/#debian Prosthetic_Mind (Prosthetic@208-59-156-177.s177.tnt1.frdb.va.dialup.rcn.com) |
| 07:05.58 | *** join/#debian knoppix (~knoppix@216.31.38.2) |
| 07:05.58 | ricmm | hello |
| 07:06.17 | ricmm | how can i change an environment variable for lets say a session in tty1, from another tty, like tty3 |
| 07:06.25 | Caimlas | debian: 'reached' it? I'm looking at snapshot.debian.net now, if that's what you mean. I've got to figure out how far I want to roll back first, though (don't recall when I broke it, 1, 2, or 3 days ago) |
| 07:06.28 | ricmm | guessing i am the same user in tty3 and tty1 |
| 07:06.30 | *** join/#debian zxcv (geoff@d66-183-157-241.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 07:06.31 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 07:06.36 | debian | Dewi: hmm...scroll up more pages then. :) |
| 07:06.50 | Dewi | debian : my box lost power 9 hours ago. it's not going to work. |
| 07:07.04 | debian | Caimlas: in retrospective, you should have put that on hold... |
| 07:07.22 | gb | Thats why I like PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' in my .bashrc though :) |
| 07:07.24 | Caimlas | debian: sorry, put what on hold? |
| 07:07.30 | debian | Dewi: no doc in /usr/share/doc? |
| 07:07.54 | ricmm | gb: ? |
| 07:08.01 | debian | ~tell Caimlas about hold |
| 07:08.05 | tix64 | ricmm: you can't |
| 07:08.22 | gb | identifies what user & hostname you are logged onto in a shell :) |
| 07:08.23 | ricmm | really? |
| 07:08.28 | ricmm | gb: i know |
| 07:08.32 | ricmm | thats what i want to change |
| 07:08.34 | tchiak | what do you think is the chance of getting a microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse working on linux? |
| 07:08.34 | ricmm | to another syntax |
| 07:08.40 | *** join/#debian Mitario (~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl) |
| 07:08.44 | ricmm | tchiak: many |
| 07:08.50 | debian | tchiak: it depends on the depth of your pocket |
| 07:08.52 | gb | ricmm: man bash |
| 07:08.53 | debian | sololy |
| 07:08.54 | bob2 | I'm a dumbass |
| 07:08.58 | gb | theres lots there :) |
| 07:08.59 | bob2 | fcc_clear should be the default |
| 07:09.01 | debian | bob2: nobody is perfect |
| 07:09.13 | ricmm | gb: the thing is i want to change it in tty1, from tty2 |
| 07:09.14 | ricmm | see? heh |
| 07:09.17 | rich_ | tchiak pretty good |
| 07:09.26 | tchiak | really ya think? |
| 07:09.34 | ricmm | yep |
| 07:09.41 | tchiak | a microsoft program working with linux? wouldn't it randomly type shutdown -h now? |
| 07:09.54 | ricmm | is it a program? |
| 07:09.57 | ricmm | heh |
| 07:10.06 | tchiak | a microsoft periphial working with linux? wouldn't it randomly type shutdown -h now? |
| 07:10.06 | bob2 | tchiak: no, it'd just randomly poke kernel memory and cause a unclean spontaneous reboot |
| 07:10.10 | ricmm | afaik it is a mouse and a keyboard, both can go through the linux input api easylu |
| 07:10.11 | gb | ricmm: I've done all that once before, mind is blank on where to look though cause im doing other stuff at present |
| 07:10.16 | ricmm | easily |
| 07:10.29 | tchiak | shutdown -r -u now ? |
| 07:10.38 | kalessin | My MS natural keyboard doesn't type anything that I don't tell it to. which is actually kinda surprising. |
| 07:10.39 | debian | tchiak: it'd just insert 'linuxdevelopersareweenies' backward during your typing. |
| 07:10.46 | rich_ | tchiak Yes, my keyboard is made by memorex, my trackball is made by logiteck, both wireless and they use the same protocal as any other keyboard and trackball, linux does not know the difference. Typically the only difference with cordless devices is they do not have a cord. |
| 07:11.03 | tchiak | seineewerasrepolevedxunil? |
| 07:11.22 | debian | tchiak: yeah, you only need to take care of this. |
| 07:11.35 | *** join/#debian cheecheeo (~chee1@pdx-ppp3.pop1.net) |
| 07:11.35 | Caimlas | debian: actually, the problems I'm having might be something else entirely - any idea what might cause KDE to hang on startup while starting 'services'? the console X was started from complains about Qpixmap not being able to find a window to draw to (I think, don't have the error immidiately reproduceable) |
| 07:11.42 | tix64 | tchiak: reads like a perfectly normal german word to me. ;) |
| 07:11.43 | tchiak | kill -9 bash |
| 07:11.46 | bob2 | kalessin: it's discretely sending vials of anthrax to your neighbours |
| 07:11.48 | *** join/#debian bucky (~bucky@24-205-113-143.hes-cres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 07:11.58 | debian | Caimlas: sid? 2.4? |
| 07:12.22 | kalessin | bob2 their WLAN doesn't let my laptop on, and they don't invite me when they have parties, so I'm ok with that. |
| 07:12.28 | bucky | moo |
| 07:12.33 | debian | ~meow |
| 07:12.35 | | jbot: woem |
| 07:12.37 | Caimlas | debian: sid, yes, on a 2.4 kernel |
| 07:12.49 | debian | Caimlas: I'm at it, no problems with kde. |
| 07:12.52 | tchiak | is it a good idea to connect my cable modem to a switch and my router to the switch? |
| 07:12.54 | bucky | do androids dream of electric sheep ? |
| 07:13.00 | *** join/#debian Scooch (jim@ip68-0-51-143.no.no.cox.net) |
| 07:13.04 | debian | Caimlas: remove(backup) your .kde or something symlink to it and try again |
| 07:13.15 | Caimlas | debian: I recall the problem starting somewhat after getting 'fresh' kde packages with an apt-get upgrade |
| 07:13.26 | *** join/#debian vile_maxim (~jeff@falsehope.cyberspacecentral.com) |
| 07:13.27 | Caimlas | debian: yeah, I gave that a shot. |
| 07:13.36 | debian | bucky: they're homo androids. Most of them dream of electric chicks |
| 07:13.46 | tix64 | bucky: is a dream about a tooth fairy a real dream? |
| 07:14.01 | *** join/#debian zignig (~simon@i008-128.nv.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:14.04 | bucky | i dunno, but this sceensaver is trippy |
| 07:14.16 | Caimlas | debian: I s'pose it would probably be important to mention I'm using X 4.3 from experimental, because 4.2 doesn't support the i830MG chipset which I have. |
| 07:14.19 | debian | kalessin: depends on whether you've bought the flashable or non-flashable version |
| 07:14.43 | debian | Caimlas: that's really important. You're on your own then. :( |
| 07:14.47 | kalessin | debian Oh, with me, -everything- is flashable. the question is if they are the slappy or the non-slappy kind. :-) |
| 07:15.13 | Caimlas | debian: yeah, figured so. |
| 07:15.16 | gb | debian: the flashable version? Is that the one without clothes? |
| 07:15.44 | *** join/#debian KarlosI (~Karlos@24.67.155.181) |
| 07:15.46 | kalessin | bg wouldn't it be the one you can expose yourself to (ie, flash them) ? |
| 07:16.04 | debian | kalessin: it really depends on the brands.....some brands will actually sue you when you perform some inappropriate actions like downloading from non-DRM sources. :) |
| 07:16.45 | debian | gb: all hardware must be flashable! You don't feel my pain having a non-flashable crappy NEC dvdrw. :~~( |
| 07:17.03 | kalessin | debian Yes. and some brands randomly re-arrange all your files, while spewing random files of their own all over your $HOME. |
| 07:17.34 | debian | kalessin: that's why I wouldn't buy that from MS, even though they MUST be the first company making them in the future. :) |
| 07:17.46 | tix64 | kalessin: uhh, they use nfs? |
| 07:17.52 | Caimlas | debian: I think I'm going to try and stip this down to a base install and then install the packages over again. (I'd reinstall, but I don't have a goddamn floppy drive or cdrom drive(othre than an external usb), and I had to install mandrake and then debootstrap to get debian. |
| 07:17.55 | KarlosI | what's the command to install grub into the mbr? |
| 07:18.11 | *** join/#debian sillstryparn (~gerr@1-1-3-39a.goe.gbg.bostream.se) |
| 07:18.18 | kalessin | debian Yeah. MS engineers are the first people I think of when I think of what kind of person would buy a robotic whore. |
| 07:18.24 | debian | Caimlas: how about you fit that error message in google? X and KDE probelms usually has answers |
| 07:18.29 | jm_ | KarlosI: read the docs |
| 07:18.29 | dippo | grub-install |
| 07:18.31 | kalessin | tix64 Ooooh... so that was my ex-gf's problem. too much NFS. |
| 07:18.34 | *** join/#debian zenlunatic (~zen@user-2ivertl.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 07:18.36 | dippo | oops, I blew the RTFM |
| 07:18.38 | KarlosI | jm I did... |
| 07:18.53 | jm_ | KarlosI: in that case you must be aware of grub-install command ... |
| 07:19.01 | jm_ | debian: is that NEC1300 ? |
| 07:19.07 | debian | kalessin: did I say whore? You need to agree the EULA which requires you "One Life One Chick" |
| 07:19.12 | tix64 | kalessin: of course. that's always the problem. |
| 07:19.23 | *** join/#debian rvf (~rvf@12-202-152-195.client.insightBB.com) |
| 07:19.25 | KarlosI | yes but I'm not sure how it functions grub-install |
| 07:19.25 | *** join/#debian palandir (~palandir@pD9E48A0F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:19.37 | KarlosI | I type it and it just outputs the help file |
| 07:19.40 | debian | jm_: yes... :~( |
| 07:19.59 | *** join/#debian rvf (~rvf@12-202-152-195.client.insightBB.com) |
| 07:20.00 | jm_ | KarlosI: read the docs again |
| 07:20.07 | debian | jm_: now it broke. I'd never ever buy from NEC again even though their NEC2600 is the cheapest around |
| 07:20.16 | kalessin | debian it does? Wouldn't that prevent them from releasing new versions, and forcing you to upgrade? |
| 07:20.17 | Caimlas | denoam" here's the error: QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 07:20.19 | dippo | if only there were a command that would give you the usage of another command |
| 07:20.19 | KarlosI | would I put in /dev/hda <--- |
| 07:20.25 | dippo | some sort of "manual" |
| 07:20.47 | jm_ | debian: ohh good to know, I was considering buying it if price for it dropped (you can find LG or BTC burners for less here) |
| 07:20.57 | debian | kalessin: new version? Wife 1.0? man, don't get started with old joke. :P |
| 07:21.00 | jm_ | KarlosI: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 07:21.05 | kalessin | dippo or if you could ask the command itself for --help... |
| 07:21.10 | KarlosI | oh that not man |
| 07:21.13 | Caimlas | debian: that last one wsa intended for you, sorry. |
| 07:21.19 | kalessin | debian but it 1.30 in the morning (CST), it's still funny. |
| 07:21.31 | *** join/#debian karma (~karma@193.124.249.57) |
| 07:21.32 | *** join/#debian sone (~sone@208-42-61-221.dynamic-dsl.visi.com) |
| 07:21.33 | debian | jm_: DON'T or you get many coasters |
| 07:21.35 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 07:21.50 | debian | jm_: it only works with 50% of 2x DVD-R around |
| 07:21.53 | *** join/#debian Shorty` (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 07:22.03 | debian | jm_: it said newer firmware fix this problem |
| 07:22.11 | *** join/#debian roz (~roz@ip68-13-4-7.om.om.cox.net) |
| 07:22.14 | debian | jm_: then you'd find yours non-flashable |
| 07:22.25 | debian | jm_: the flashable one is around twice as expensive. |
| 07:22.43 | Bangers | is it possible to squash 'dd' into the middle of starting grub, and booting hdd-0? |
| 07:22.55 | Bangers | like, to use like ghosting? |
| 07:22.58 | gb | ey? |
| 07:23.02 | debian | jm_: you wonder why they do this? becase the 1300 is actually 1100 with newer firmware. THey don't want people making use of this so make two version of the drives |
| 07:23.21 | jm_ | debian: that's pretty idiotic, any burner I have ever owned was flashable - maybe 1003A is flashable and thus the higher price here |
| 07:23.42 | debian | jm_: what can I say. Good luck. :) |
| 07:24.03 | jm_ | debian: I'll wait till prices drop some more and then find some reviews :) |
| 07:24.06 | *** join/#debian sillstryparn (gerr@1-1-3-39a.goe.gbg.bostream.se) |
| 07:24.10 | debian | jm_: now I really need a new drive but I can't seem to find a better recommendation |
| 07:24.15 | *** join/#debian embah (user3@202.162.193.115) |
| 07:24.36 | debian | jm_: reviews don't tell you much, expecially the flashability. Trust me |
| 07:25.24 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (~robert@53.106-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 07:25.26 | *** join/#debian achaoge (~achaoge@218.88.79.211) |
| 07:25.47 | *** join/#debian bucky_ (~bucky@24-205-113-143.hes-cres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 07:26.18 | jm_ | debian: yes I guess that's normal because everyone expects them to be flashable |
| 07:27.29 | debian | jm_: I don't see how much cost they could save from making non-flashable drives except to discriminate against customers |
| 07:27.32 | shamoun_ | later all |
| 07:27.33 | bucky | rrreeerrrr.. |
| 07:28.38 | bucky | debian, are you a brit? |
| 07:28.40 | jm_ | debian: yes, I have spent way too much on burners anyway so I will buy them cheap now - which also means it's not so bad if the thing doesn't work |
| 07:29.04 | debian | bucky: not really? only a brit would put a cat around? :) |
| 07:29.22 | bucky | no, you're working over seas right? |
| 07:29.33 | *** join/#debian embah (user3@202.162.193.115) |
| 07:29.34 | bucky | or are you a native? |
| 07:29.56 | debian | bucky: I'm a naive. Wearing nothing but a horn right now. |
| 07:30.04 | debian | native, damn |
| 07:30.08 | *** join/#debian bbb (~b@82.147.19.245) |
| 07:30.10 | tix64 | hehehe |
| 07:30.15 | bucky | why is your english so good? |
| 07:30.30 | *** part/#debian ricmm (ricky@200.47.143.122) |
| 07:30.49 | bucky | debian, not from reading bucky katz i hope |
| 07:31.40 | debian | bucky: you're the only one found my English is so good. XD |
| 07:32.24 | bucky | lol |
| 07:32.30 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@164.125.64.51) |
| 07:32.37 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (~martin@ws.lon4.fastsearch.net) |
| 07:32.52 | SlayerXP | Happy New Orbit |
| 07:32.58 | bucky | debian, my friend pascal was raised by methodist missionaries in school there |
| 07:33.05 | debian | SlayerXP: Peaceful year! |
| 07:33.11 | *** part/#debian PlayaX (1000@max01-cm-56.cm.anc.net) |
| 07:33.12 | *** join/#debian DrgnsKeep (~justindub@c-24-2-193-177.client.comcast.net) |
| 07:33.21 | debian | bucky: the guy who was burnt on stake? |
| 07:33.28 | DrgnsKeep | good morrow all, anyone around to answer a few questions? |
| 07:33.45 | bucky | hehe, no they just called him that because he was good at math |
| 07:33.45 | debian | DrgnsKeep: we exist to serve |
| 07:34.11 | DrgnsKeep | great! #1), has anyone tried using Codeweavers XOver office with Debian? |
| 07:34.25 | jm_ | SlayerXP: the same to you ;) |
| 07:34.35 | debian | DrgnsKeep: your case is closed. :( |
| 07:35.02 | DrgnsKeep | i take it that means XOver is not functional on Debian huh.. |
| 07:35.17 | SlayerXP | 201 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. |
| 07:35.17 | SlayerXP | Need to get 171MB of archives. |
| 07:35.41 | SlayerXP | *sigh* |
| 07:35.51 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: don't be a moron. |
| 07:35.56 | Justin_ | SlayerXP: who is forcing you to upgrade? |
| 07:36.09 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: it means "no one gives a fuck, go ask codeweavers before you give them money". |
| 07:36.14 | SlayerXP | Justin_: no-one :) |
| 07:36.29 | debian | bucky: I'm good at bed, wonder what people callme. :) |
| 07:36.32 | *** join/#debian kos (kos@adsl-68-121-247-116.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 07:36.38 | bob2 | Justin_: his latent gentoo-gene. |
| 07:36.40 | SlayerXP | still 171mb is only about 5 minutes of downloads. |
| 07:36.42 | *** part/#debian cheecheeo (~chee1@pdx-ppp3.pop1.net) |
| 07:36.50 | bucky | debian, midnight cowboy? |
| 07:36.51 | Justin_ | 262 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 07:36.58 | Justin_ | and its been that way for months |
| 07:37.16 | DrgnsKeep | ok well then next question, has anyone added a Debian client to either an NT4 or 2K3 ADS domain (PDC = Windows) |
| 07:37.21 | bob2 | SlayerXP: I hate you. |
| 07:37.22 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:37.26 | bob2 | SlayerXP: and your bandwidth. |
| 07:37.29 | debian | Sorry |
| 07:37.36 | bucky | ? |
| 07:37.40 | debian | oh |
| 07:37.51 | *** join/#debian mufa (~mufa@finfw.finsiel.ro) |
| 07:37.58 | Justin_ | bob2: that would take me < 3 minutes :-) |
| 07:37.58 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: do you understand what you're talking about? these are not Debian-specific questions. |
| 07:37.59 | debian | I accidentally hit some special emoicon command and thought you all see it |
| 07:38.22 | SlayerXP | bob2: what will annoy you even more is we're currently only using 1 leg of the dual 100mb connection :) |
| 07:38.43 | *** join/#debian mhall (~chatzilla@adsl-67-123-147-22.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 07:39.15 | mhall | how do I get grep to find lines that don't match my regex |
| 07:39.33 | bob2 | Justin_: I also hate you. |
| 07:39.40 | SlayerXP | mhall: -v |
| 07:39.52 | mhall | bob2: Seems I stepped in in the middle of a bad conversation. ;-) |
| 07:39.53 | snoke | anyone knows if other openvpn server works behind nat and firewall what is coled from net and other is accessible from net, does it work or does both server need to see others ? |
| 07:39.59 | *** join/#debian sloopy (~sloopy@pcp04332934pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 07:40.35 | SlayerXP | snoke: depends on your vpn implementation. AH will _always_ break through a NAT, though, so make sure that's disabled regardless. |
| 07:40.46 | *** join/#debian epic (~epic@158.36.28.178) |
| 07:40.48 | Justin_ | snoke: the client works behind a firewall, and i think if you forward the port, so will the server |
| 07:40.51 | DrgnsKeep | bob2: yes I do, essentially here's my issue. I have been asked to come up with an alternative OS to Windows 95/NT 4 for the client system at my work. Currently this is the network architecture: Unix firewall, WIN 2K3 PDC/DNS/DCHP etc etc... server (lemme explain, I work in MIS at a police department.. Win 2K3/Unix are at townhall), AS/400 Mainframe, 2K3 BDC. Our clients link to the PDC for geneal apps and what not, and use Rumba.... |
| 07:41.00 | SlayerXP | bob2: "my other internet connection is also a dual 100Mb link" :) |
| 07:41.01 | DrgnsKeep | .... to connect to the AS/400 |
| 07:41.20 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: yeah, but what's your upstream? |
| 07:41.27 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: If you mess up, will the cops kick your ass? |
| 07:41.31 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: mm, "lots" |
| 07:41.43 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: specifically... |
| 07:41.45 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: SlayerXP lives in his data centre. |
| 07:41.53 | DrgnsKeep | now, i have looked at several version of Linux and tried them, I have had LIMITED success with Mandrake 9.x, none with redhat 9.x, non with asp 9.x ,, I was looking at Debian next |
| 07:42.06 | bob2 | dpkg, SlayerXP's house is TeleHouse |
| 07:42.06 | dpkg | okay, bob2 |
| 07:42.09 | DrgnsKeep | mhall - No, but my boss will be VERY pissed |
| 07:42.11 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: hrmmm |
| 07:42.30 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: whatever PSI's backbone is in LHC, Docklands. |
| 07:42.39 | snoke | Justin_: you mean only server need to be accessible from net, server does not need to see any clients ports, right ? |
| 07:42.41 | DrgnsKeep | so essentially I need to run office 97 on a linux box and have it connect to an NT domain |
| 07:42.42 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: i'm not too familiar with w2k ADS domains... are those like samba domains? |
| 07:42.48 | mwilson | DrgnsKeep: Will you pay us for doing your job for you? |
| 07:42.49 | SlayerXP | bob2: i'm in LHC, not telehouse. |
| 07:42.53 | tix64 | uhhh, PSI |
| 07:42.55 | rich_ | DrgnsKeep Nice thing about debian is the largest group of developers in the world. All the rest are for people who like things broken.... its an alternative thing |
| 07:42.56 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: Damn, I was wishing I could give you bad advice so the cops would kick your ass. :-D |
| 07:43.02 | bob2 | SlayerXP: bah, that doesn't RHYME AT ALL. |
| 07:43.17 | Justin_ | snoke: try it and see |
| 07:43.28 | DrgnsKeep | mwilson - No, see, i'm just asking if people have been able to do it, not how they did it |
| 07:43.30 | SlayerXP | bob2: sucks to be you :) |
| 07:43.44 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: that could be done thru wine, but you'd want to have a w2k installation on a partition to use as a backend |
| 07:43.57 | DrgnsKeep | Gnea - well Somba 3.x is supposed to support ADS in combination with kerberos 1.2.7 i believe |
| 07:44.05 | peterS | SlayerXP: stop taunting the bob2 |
| 07:44.09 | Gnea | ah i see |
| 07:44.13 | DrgnsKeep | mhall - thanks ;) |
| 07:44.15 | *** join/#debian Esus (foobar@pcp03455171pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 07:44.26 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: if they're going toinsist on Office, moving from windows is probably not the greatest idea. |
| 07:44.32 | Stripes | does anyone know of a "upgrading debian to 2.6.0 howto"? |
| 07:44.38 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: there's always going to be something that doesn't work. |
| 07:44.40 | bob2 | Stripes: /topic |
| 07:44.54 | bob2 | Stripes: you don't NEED to use the newest beta version of every single critical Linux component. |
| 07:45.02 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:45.02 | DrgnsKeep | bob2 - well, i am hoping to get em to go to Office XP ir not 2k3 |
| 07:45.03 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: One possible answer is to keep the Windows Server and redeploy it in Terminal Server mode. |
| 07:45.08 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: I'm sure codeweavers would be happy to give you a trial copy, though. |
| 07:45.10 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: honestly, i don't know the full extent of samba's power in that realm.. |
| 07:45.11 | *** join/#debian Vicious (~Vicious@adsl-154-48-237.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 07:45.22 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: Terminal Server mode licenses are cheaper than copies of XP and there is a free UNIX client, rdesktop |
| 07:45.23 | SlayerXP | peterS: Silence! Or I shall taunt him a second time!!!! |
| 07:45.24 | SlayerXP | *ahem* |
| 07:45.25 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: but i DO know that 2k3 is much better than OXP |
| 07:45.31 | DrgnsKeep | bob2 - i already bought one for testing, they paid for it:) |
| 07:45.45 | peterS | SlayerXP: do not taunt happy fun bob2 |
| 07:45.45 | Stripes | but I want the wireless stuff in 2.6.. it's not about the best and newest, it's about things working... |
| 07:45.47 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: Plus, with Terminal Server, you only have to manage and purchase Office for one machine. Lots cheaper. |
| 07:45.53 | bztunk | why the talk about microsoft stuff? |
| 07:45.57 | bztunk | is it really needed? |
| 07:46.04 | Gnea | bztunk: yes. |
| 07:46.07 | *** join/#debian glick (~dbunch@12-208-176-127.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:46.15 | DrgnsKeep | mhall - is that a graphical client, the dispatchers MUST be graphical since the AS/400 RPG is graphical |
| 07:46.18 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: have you looked at openoffice yet? |
| 07:46.34 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: There is a free UNIX integration kit from MS available for download that allows single sign-on integration through NIS or LDAP also. |
| 07:46.39 | bob2 | Stripes: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 07:46.40 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: Yes it is graphical. |
| 07:46.40 | glick | excuse me what id going to happen to x86free now that the core team is no more? what does this do to the future of linux? |
| 07:46.43 | Stripes | and I didn't ask you how to compile 2.6, I asked where a document is that tells me how to get 2.6 working beucase I'm tired of trying to get rid of this damn root fs not loading errer |
| 07:46.49 | SlayerXP | peterS: can I use happy fun bob on concrete? |
| 07:46.50 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: The graphicality is the whole point of Terminal Server |
| 07:46.54 | bob2 | glick: it means nothing. |
| 07:47.01 | tix64 | glick: we will all die. |
| 07:47.02 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: If you didn't need graphics, you'd just use WinSSHD or such |
| 07:47.05 | *** join/#debian SYNeR- (S1nn3r@dialup-167.132.220.203.acc01-geor-bat.comindico.com.au) |
| 07:47.06 | peterS | SlayerXP: hmmm. I wouldn't really recommend it |
| 07:47.09 | DrgnsKeep | Gnea - yeah they don't want it, they run SQL and Exchange on the BDC as well as the PDC (BDC is local to PD only) |
| 07:47.12 | SlayerXP | "When not in use, Happy Fun Bob2 should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration" |
| 07:47.13 | bob2 | glick: even slashdot got that bit right. the core team did nothing. their collapse is meaningless. |
| 07:47.18 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: gotcha |
| 07:47.18 | peterS | SlayerXP: he Knows People |
| 07:47.23 | deadcat | glick: ppl like you will die. |
| 07:47.29 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: Plus, if you disconnect from the server, it keeps your session running |
| 07:47.36 | bob2 | glick: ie don't worry. at all. |
| 07:47.38 | glick | so will x keep being developed |
| 07:47.42 | bob2 | glick: yes |
| 07:47.46 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: I have tested Terminal Server out a lot, it seems to work for me very well. |
| 07:47.52 | DrgnsKeep | Gnea - oh ok i get what yer syaing |
| 07:47.53 | bob2 | glick: the core team explicitly does NOT write code. |
| 07:47.54 | SlayerXP | peterS: somehoiw I think we just maxed the obscur-o-meter |
| 07:47.55 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 07:47.57 | Gnea | glick: yeah, it really means nothing. X is too far embedded to die |
| 07:47.57 | SlayerXP | somehow |
| 07:48.00 | DrgnsKeep | thats not a bad idea at all |
| 07:48.06 | peterS | SlayerXP: possibly |
| 07:48.07 | DrgnsKeep | how stable is it? |
| 07:48.07 | glick | i see |
| 07:48.14 | bob2 | SlayerXP: *ahem*, I'm the Super Happy Fun bob2. |
| 07:48.17 | *** join/#debian Prophet_ (~Prophet@pD9E49D4D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:48.19 | *** join/#debian embah (~embah@202.162.193.115) |
| 07:48.30 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: how stable is what? |
| 07:48.41 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: well they made a 1.0 release and are selling it like hotcakes.. still gotta get my copy yet :) |
| 07:48.48 | *** join/#debian marcello (~marcello@adsl-ull-217-205.42-151.net24.it) |
| 07:48.51 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: here is the free microsoft unix integration toolkit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/default.asp |
| 07:49.11 | DrgnsKeep | <mhall> DrgnsKeep: Terminal Server mode licenses are cheaper than copies of XP and there is a free UNIX client, rdesktop |
| 07:49.15 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: you can download the beta version or order the current version for $12 |
| 07:49.17 | DrgnsKeep | thats what i was referring to |
| 07:49.19 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: take your pick |
| 07:49.35 | *** join/#debian dupal (dupal@221.147.98.10) |
| 07:49.43 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: I have not had the Terminal Server crash once. I have rebooted it, but since I use it as a desktop, I play with it a lot. |
| 07:49.45 | *** join/#debian bztunk_ (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:49.52 | dupal | hello... everybody..! |
| 07:50.22 | SlayerXP | anyone want to see pics of my new year party? |
| 07:50.25 | DrgnsKeep | but here's the catch... |
| 07:50.32 | Gnea | batter up.. ;) |
| 07:50.33 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: the only time i crashed it was when i tried to portscan some stuff for security testing with a broken copy of windows libpcap |
| 07:50.44 | DrgnsKeep | if you have lets say 50-75 clients online and active, what kind of lag r u looking at? |
| 07:50.54 | *** join/#debian trovador (~trovador@87-49-50.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 07:50.54 | Gnea | depeonds on your network setup |
| 07:50.55 | *** join/#debian Switched (~switched@hashbang.slashbinslashbash.org) |
| 07:50.56 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: depends on the server you use |
| 07:51.10 | tchiak | DrgnsKeep: gawd awefull |
| 07:51.15 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: http://www.ucop.edu/irc/projects/CRGN/ |
| 07:51.21 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: i have had a good number connected to my cheapo PC without too much trouble |
| 07:51.40 | Gnea | if you have the internal bandwidth, that won't be an issue - if the server(s) are, say, dual cpu's over 1GHz with around 1-8 gigs of ram it should handle it just fine |
| 07:51.42 | SYNeR- | Anyone seen anywhere an unofficial meta-package for Gnome2.4 on Sarge?... Most of 2.4 is in sarge I'm pretty sure.. but no meta-package exists. Nor do I know which packages to install |
| 07:51.45 | DrgnsKeep | well the main one we link to directly with the NT box's is the BDC which is a Dual P3-933 Dell system with 1024MB RDRAM |
| 07:51.46 | Bangers | how would I using dd and a compression program, do a full backup of a HDD and compress it? |
| 07:51.46 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: if you connect in low-quality color and use ethernet it should be really really fast |
| 07:51.51 | rich_ | Ive never seen linux lag, its always the hardwares fault |
| 07:52.15 | mhall | rich_: we are talking about a windows terminal server to cut costs |
| 07:52.32 | mhall | rich_: they have a few windows-only things. terminal servers are pretty hardware intense |
| 07:52.35 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: this is the actual connection setup: http://www.ucop.edu/irc/projects/CRGN/UC-R-giganode.gif |
| 07:52.38 | SYNeR- | Bangers?.. hmm.. sounds like someone off OCAU :P |
| 07:52.38 | peterS | mhall: what kinds of costs can you cut with windows TS? |
| 07:52.47 | rich_ | mhall Oh, Im sorry. I'll pray for you... |
| 07:52.52 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: that's not a bad start... a bit weak, but not bad.. NT itself will be the biggest bottleneck though.. but if the contracts are signed then they're signed :) |
| 07:52.57 | mhall | peterS: Don't have to buy XP licenses all the time |
| 07:52.57 | peterS | mhall: don't those still require fairly fat clients, and fairly fat client access license fees, and such? |
| 07:53.04 | bob2 | SYNeR-: install it from sid |
| 07:53.09 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:53.11 | mhall | peterS: There is a Linux client available free |
| 07:53.13 | peterS | mhall: you don't? Windows TS clients run on free OSes? |
| 07:53.24 | mhall | peterS: google rdesktop |
| 07:53.39 | *** join/#debian puks (~puccio@62-101-126-233.fastres.net) |
| 07:53.47 | mhall | peterS: the whole point of the TS is that the client is available pretty cheap for lots of OSes |
| 07:53.48 | peterS | mhall: ah right. rdesktop. the solution disallowed by the windows 2003 terminal server license. |
| 07:53.53 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: assuming that the NT server is providing services that ONLY an NT server can provide, and that nothing else could be done, then that's probably a good bet |
| 07:53.56 | dupal | help me please!... i have lsi logic cs1020 scsi card... anybody help me how can i install that card to debian woody... |
| 07:54.00 | mhall | peterS: no, rdesktop still works |
| 07:54.04 | DrgnsKeep | Gnea - well if you want a diagram of what is in place it looks like this ... UNIX F/W :: 2K3 PDC -> 2K3 BDC -> CLIENTS -> AS/400 |
| 07:54.07 | mhall | peterS: I tested it personally |
| 07:54.09 | peterS | mhall: works != is licensed |
| 07:54.12 | dupal | debian woody have no drivers... |
| 07:54.28 | mhall | peterS: it does not need to be licensed because it is not illegal to use it |
| 07:54.33 | SYNeR- | bob2: seeing as though Sarge has 2.4 (or most of it).. I'm guessing there wouldn't really be any dependency problems if installing from Sid? |
| 07:54.39 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: ah ok |
| 07:54.46 | *** join/#debian FEN_HIN (~freenode@host8.imagelinkusa.net) |
| 07:54.56 | peterS | mhall: not illegal to use it, no. illegal to use it to connect to a Windows TS - depends on the Windows TS license. |
| 07:54.58 | mhall | peterS: prohibitions against reverse engineering only apply to whoever reverse engineered it, who was probably not in the US at the time |
| 07:55.20 | mhall | peterS: no, the illegality of using it depends on what the courts say, not what ms says |
| 07:55.41 | mhall | peterS: there is not a court in the country that would try to ban the use of it |
| 07:55.46 | peterS | mhall: this isn't about reverse engineering. this is about the Windows TS license. if you clicked "I accept" on the Windows TS license, you're bound by its terms whether or not you think they make sense |
| 07:55.51 | mhall | peterS: even if they wanted to ban it, it would be hard |
| 07:55.54 | Gnea | dupal: the drivers are from the kernel, you'd have to recompile your kernel most likely and add the support as a module |
| 07:55.58 | bob2 | assuming click-through-licenss are valid |
| 07:56.07 | peterS | bob2: of course. but most people assume they are |
| 07:56.07 | mhall | peterS: you are not bound by the terms of a clickwrap license if the terms are bullshit |
| 07:56.10 | *** join/#debian sonne (~sonne@brln-d9ba1f09.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 07:56.12 | bob2 | Gnea: put your crackpipe down. |
| 07:56.16 | dupal | is there anybody knows that how to install lsi logic scsi dirver in debian woody? |
| 07:56.18 | SlayerXP | peterS: actually, it's widely thought that a clock-through licence agreement is utterly unenforceable. |
| 07:56.26 | DrgnsKeep | with Redhat 9, using Kerberos 5 and samba 3 i was able to authenticate to my PDC (I have a 5 system domain at my house which i use for testing stuff like this) and access server shares... BUT... XOver office doesn't like RH9, and thats the only one i have been able to get into the domain with |
| 07:56.28 | bob2 | dupal: where's the source for this driver? is it supported in mainline kernels at any point? |
| 07:56.32 | SlayerXP | clickthrough, too |
| 07:56.42 | peterS | SlayerXP: I don't like them myself. but I suspect the courts would back up the computer industry on that one |
| 07:56.45 | dupal | bob2: |
| 07:56.50 | bztunk | dupal: |
| 07:56.53 | drim | what the difference between uid and euid :? |
| 07:56.57 | dupal | redhat.. contains it... |
| 07:57.01 | mhall | peterS: contracts have to be signed |
| 07:57.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 620] by debhelper |
| 07:57.02 | bob2 | dupal: that's nice. |
| 07:57.04 | SlayerXP | drim: actual and effective. |
| 07:57.11 | dupal | but debian woody does not support |
| 07:57.14 | bob2 | dupal: where's the source for this driver? is it supported in mainline kernels at any point? |
| 07:57.22 | peterS | SlayerXP: if only because of the massive implications of the idea that no commercial software can have restrictions beyond copyright law unless sold with a specific written contract |
| 07:57.29 | Gnea | DrgnsKeep: have you considered vmware? |
| 07:57.33 | peterS | SlayerXP: those implications are huge, so I don't think the courts would care to "rock the boat" |
| 07:57.38 | bztunk | SlayerXP: why to you have a xp at the end of your name? |
| 07:57.51 | *** part/#debian achaoge (~achaoge@218.88.79.211) |
| 07:57.57 | SlayerXP | bztunk: for the same reason you have "nk" at the end of yours. |
| 07:58.08 | bztunk | SlayerXP: but xp makes me think of windows xp! |
| 07:58.12 | bob2 | Gnea: vmware requires a windows license AND a vmware one AND a office one. |
| 07:58.14 | Gnea | ha |
| 07:58.17 | drim | and what is the effective iud ? |
| 07:58.19 | bob2 | bztunk: XP is the ccTLD of his homeland |
| 07:58.20 | SlayerXP | bztunk: and this is my problem because....? |
| 07:58.21 | peterS | bztunk: it shouldn't. it should make you think of Athlon XP |
| 07:58.22 | mhall | bztunk: which richly deserves to be slain |
| 07:58.29 | DrgnsKeep | yeah wwe looked at it.. we weren't impressed |
| 07:58.30 | brc007 | anyone know if a AMD k6-2 is a 586 or a 686? |
| 07:58.36 | bob2 | DrgnsKeep: man getuid |
| 07:58.40 | Gnea | bob2: right |
| 07:58.42 | bob2 | brc007: 586 |
| 07:58.47 | brc007 | thanks |
| 07:58.48 | mhall | Gnea: terminal servers are lots cheaper than vmware |
| 07:58.53 | bztunk | peterS: haha yes, but i guess amd copied the xp from windows |
| 07:58.56 | bob2 | Gnea: so where's the gain in using vmware? |
| 07:59.03 | mhall | Gnea: they crash less are are lots easier to manage as well |
| 07:59.04 | bztunk | peterS: so it's not *that* better |
| 07:59.06 | Gnea | bob2: in this case, apparantly none |
| 07:59.06 | bob2 | Gnea: also, vmware is FAR FAR FAR slower. |
| 07:59.19 | Gnea | bob2: depends how you have it setup |
| 07:59.19 | peterS | mhall: you believe contracts must be signed to be valid. I'd like to believe that too. but I very much doubt the court system would agree on that one, because of the enormous implications to the software industry |
| 07:59.23 | SYNeR- | would it be safe to look at the meta-package of Gnome 2.4 from SID, then install the same packages within Sarge to get a working gnome 2.4? |
| 07:59.25 | mhall | bob2: s/FAR FAR FAR// |
| 07:59.29 | *** join/#debian tca (~tom@ti542110a080-0783.bb.online.no) |
| 07:59.33 | bob2 | SYNeR-: gah, just install gnome from sid |
| 07:59.39 | bob2 | SYNeR-: don't be such a sargebaby. |
| 07:59.41 | peterS | bztunk: you have only conjecture that AMD copied Windows. I think AMD named their chip after SlayerXP. |
| 07:59.53 | SYNeR- | hmms |
| 07:59.58 | bztunk | peterS: hahaha! yeah I'm sure :D |
| 08:00.02 | peterS | bztunk: (: |
| 08:00.03 | bob2 | SYNeR-: gnome in sid is actually usable AND installable! |
| 08:00.04 | mhall | peterS: the court will not care about the implications to the software industry any more than it would permit slavery to prevent problems for slaveholders |
| 08:00.08 | Gnea | if it's running the OS off of a virtual disk, then yeah.. if it's off of a real slice, piece of cake if you have the ram... but yeah, i can see why they wouldn't want it for this type of setup |
| 08:00.11 | mhall | peterS: i think that's a poor argument |
| 08:00.20 | peterS | mhall: it must be nice to live in a world where you can believe that |
| 08:00.52 | mhall | peterS: join the Libertarian Party and take Political Philosophy as a GE course. bam. new worldview |
| 08:00.54 | peterS | mhall: don't get me wrong, I think if you look at it rationally, clickwrap licenses shouldn't be valid. But I also don't think you'd get very far in court with that line of reasoning |
| 08:01.06 | *** join/#debian yoong`1 (~yoong@210.124.202.54) |
| 08:01.40 | peterS | mhall: here's a question for you. do you buy client access licenses for Windows TS? why or why not? |
| 08:01.41 | *** join/#debian egbert (~egbert@atlantis.noc.amarin.net) |
| 08:02.05 | peterS | mhall: according to fair use under copyright law, you really shouldn't have to buy any. but try telling that to Microsoft, who insists you should buy one for each client |
| 08:02.16 | *** part/#debian yoong`1 (~yoong@210.124.202.54) |
| 08:02.31 | mhall | peterS: assuming even that you'd accept clickwrap, there is another thing to consider |
| 08:02.47 | mhall | peterS: the terms of a binding clickwrap might still be bullshit |
| 08:03.16 | mhall | peterS: banning clients in a clickwrap is not going to hold water even if clickwrap does |
| 08:03.36 | mhall | peterS: too many Internet architects are invested in the notion that the internet is client-blind |
| 08:03.46 | mhall | peterS: such prohibitions would not stand |
| 08:04.04 | peterS | mhall: if you're gonna cherry-pick license terms, you're not really respecting the premise at all. you're saying "this licensing scheme is not valid at all". because if it *is* valid, then why can't they impose any terms they want that relate to the software in question? |
| 08:04.29 | mhall | peterS: well, you can have a valid method of licensing software that has invalid terms |
| 08:05.01 | bob2 | wouldn't invalid terms nullify the whole agreement, reverting to regular copyright law? |
| 08:05.02 | debian | peterS: someone just said fair use is unconstitutional.... |
| 08:05.13 | *** join/#debian marinos (~marinos@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 08:05.13 | mhall | peterS: You could sign a legal contract with me in which you agree to kill yourself in the fine print at the bottom. If it went to court, you would be required only to comply with the legal portions of the contract. |
| 08:05.14 | bob2 | ie, you have a copy you can do whatever you want with, except re-ditribute. |
| 08:05.22 | brc007 | what does cflags="-03 do? |
| 08:05.27 | bob2 | brc007: nothing. |
| 08:05.34 | peterS | mhall: sure, "the Internet is client-blind". what on earth does this have to do with a specific company's server product that uses its own proprietary protocol and is licensed for use only with its proprietary client software? |
| 08:05.35 | mhall | bob2: The court could decide to make you adhere to the legal portions. |
| 08:05.39 | DrgnsKeep | ok, i just talked to the bossman... here's the catch with terminal clients, the software we use for Captain (street cruiser to NCIC/COLLECT and dispatch/whatnot) doesn't like terminal mode.. there have been issues getting it to work... |
| 08:05.41 | brc007 | should I leave it in or remove it? |
| 08:05.43 | bob2 | brc007: do you mean 'CFLAGS="-O3" ./configure' or so? |
| 08:05.49 | DrgnsKeep | he says we can do it but he wants to avoid it if possible |
| 08:05.55 | tchiak | PEBKAC |
| 08:06.15 | bob2 | brc007: you'd need to provide at least SOME context. |
| 08:06.16 | brc007 | nm think I figured it out |
| 08:06.16 | debian | ~pebkac |
| 08:06.18 | | Sounds like the Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 08:06.18 | mhall | peterS: well, it is a design principle that applies to more than just the Internet |
| 08:06.21 | brc007 | thanks |
| 08:06.31 | mhall | peterS: it applies to standards in the computer industry |
| 08:06.41 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: have a chat with the vendor and see what they say |
| 08:06.53 | peterS | mhall: still. there is a big difference between signing a contract that says you will break the law, and signing a contract that says you will *not* use a product in some specific way (in this case, unauthorised client software). |
| 08:06.54 | DrgnsKeep | i could try that:) |
| 08:06.56 | debian | tchiak: the keyboard pad! :) |
| 08:06.59 | peterS | mhall: I don't see that those are comparable at all |
| 08:07.05 | mhall | DrgnsKeep: also, consider a Citrix solution. it's like terminal server but made by a different company |
| 08:07.28 | *** join/#debian entropija (andrius@212.47.103.66) |
| 08:07.31 | DrgnsKeep | we should just hire you to do this LOL |
| 08:07.35 | *** join/#debian AnitaLove (~anitalove@dsl-207-112-45-207.tor.primus.ca) |
| 08:07.37 | mhall | peterS: i think it is unconstitutional for a company to tell me i may not pick and choose what client software i want to use |
| 08:07.37 | AnitaLove | hello everybody |
| 08:07.44 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:07.48 | bob2 | mhall: isn't TS BASED on Citrix? |
| 08:07.50 | *** join/#debian fpe (~daisy@12-203-66-7.client.attbi.com) |
| 08:07.54 | peterS | mhall: why? you are not forced to buy TS. |
| 08:08.01 | tchiak | muwahahahaha |
| 08:08.01 | Dewi | peterS : killing yourself isn't against the law (in many places) |
| 08:08.04 | *** part/#debian SYNeR- (S1nn3r@dialup-167.132.220.203.acc01-geor-bat.comindico.com.au) |
| 08:08.16 | Dewi | peterS : however it is something you can't contract somebody into doing |
| 08:08.19 | debian | Dewi: it's against the law in many places |
| 08:08.38 | *** join/#debian ticallion2 (~ticallion@213.175.160.146) |
| 08:08.40 | mhall | peterS: reverse engineering is permitted for purposes of compatibility, and in order for one to be allowed his right to reverse engineering, one must provide for him to be able to use his reverse engineered product |
| 08:08.47 | debian | Dewi: consider how many environmental violation you've broke leaving a big pile of stinking potein... |
| 08:08.55 | bob2 | mhall: um, in SOME places. |
| 08:08.55 | mhall | peterS: in the US it is legal to use what you have legitimately reverse engineered |
| 08:08.58 | VynoM | hmm... my sound doens't work |
| 08:08.58 | peterS | mhall: it's not like Microsoft is asking you to do something illegal. Or even asking you to do something that has nothing to do with the product you are licensing. |
| 08:09.00 | AnitaLove | when will I be able to upgrade to kernel 2.6 using apt? |
| 08:09.05 | mhall | peterS: microsoft's license terms go against that |
| 08:09.09 | bob2 | mhall: sane countries have no restrictions on reverse engineering at all |
| 08:09.11 | peterS | mhall: whether reverse engineering is legal or not *also* has nothing to do with this |
| 08:09.13 | bob2 | AnitaLove: /topic |
| 08:09.15 | Gnea | AnitaLove: when it's ready |
| 08:09.16 | mhall | bob2: yeah, correct |
| 08:09.17 | tchiak | VynoM: What sound card? |
| 08:09.21 | bob2 | AnitaLove: why do you want to? |
| 08:09.22 | mhall | peterS: yes it does |
| 08:09.25 | *** join/#debian wzrd_1024 (~wizard_10@gate.vsu.by) |
| 08:09.25 | rich_ | Here in oregon we have state assisted suicide. Not only ios it legal for a doctor to write you a lethal perscription, the state will help pay for it. |
| 08:09.26 | debian | mhall: where've you been all these years? :) |
| 08:09.30 | mhall | peterS: reverse engineering is a right |
| 08:09.35 | peterS | mhall: it's not that reverse engineering a TS client is illegal. it's just that using TS with such a client might be, if you signed an agreement that you would not do that. |
| 08:09.38 | VynoM | Onboard. AC97 or something like that |
| 08:09.42 | *** part/#debian wzrd_1024 (~wizard_10@gate.vsu.by) |
| 08:09.49 | tchiak | VIA? |
| 08:09.50 | bob2 | VynoM: /msg dpkg audio |
| 08:09.53 | bob2 | !+ac97 |
| 08:09.53 | dpkg | from memory, ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip |
| 08:09.54 | mhall | peterS: in order for me to exercise my right to reverse engineer, my right must be preserved in software licenses |
| 08:09.57 | debian | mhall: does DMCA remind you of anything? :) |
| 08:10.05 | VynoM | tchiak I thought it was working earlier, but it just makes my computer beep. Working on google now |
| 08:10.21 | peterS | mhall: why don't you extend your argument a bit: |
| 08:10.22 | tchiak | type lspci |
| 08:10.25 | peterS | mhall: you have the right to freedom of speech. does this mean that a non-disclosure agreement is illegal and unenforceable? |
| 08:10.27 | tchiak | and see if it shows it |
| 08:10.28 | mhall | peterS: therefore i would say it is hard for a license to take away my constitutional right to reverse engineer things and benefir from my new knowledge |
| 08:10.36 | AnitaLove | is 2.6 really stable? |
| 08:10.38 | peterS | mhall: please answer my latest point |
| 08:10.46 | Gnea | AnitaLove: that's a joke right? |
| 08:10.53 | VynoM | VIA chipset. VT82C686 |
| 08:10.59 | mhall | peterS: that's a good point |
| 08:11.08 | mhall | peterS: i will have to think about it for a while |
| 08:11.09 | tchiak | did you install the sound module? |
| 08:11.16 | Gnea | VynoM: via82cxxx_audio.o |
| 08:11.17 | peterS | mhall: the point is, you can sign away a right in a contract. |
| 08:11.22 | VynoM | checking now... possibly I skipped it |
| 08:11.30 | mhall | peterS: not all rights can be signed away |
| 08:11.36 | Dewi | peterS : not all rights though |
| 08:11.39 | VynoM | still trying to get accustomed to debian |
| 08:11.40 | Dewi | peterS : and that is his point |
| 08:11.44 | tchiak | ahhh |
| 08:11.45 | rich_ | AnitaLove It is for me. I heard other people say its not stable. Things that might make me different are I use xfs filesystem exclusively and I use no swap. When I compiled 2.6 I removed support for swap |
| 08:11.51 | peterS | mhall: yes, but why would "the right of reverse engineering" be stronger than "the right of freedom of speech"? |
| 08:11.58 | bob2 | VynoM: it should work just as it did in any other distro. |
| 08:12.04 | VynoM | Gnea yep. Did a modprobe via82cxxx_audio |
| 08:12.12 | *** join/#debian bytewalker (~bytewalke@198.53.101.10) |
| 08:12.21 | mhall | peterS: well, even non-disclosure agreements have limits |
| 08:12.24 | bytewalker | how do i extract a .tar.bz2? |
| 08:12.25 | Gnea | VynoM: got the same thing on one of my systems.. works great in linux |
| 08:12.28 | Dewi | peterS : contract law isn't based on a series of point scores for certain rights |
| 08:12.28 | bob2 | I can't wait until sarge comes out. |
| 08:12.36 | Gnea | bytewalker: tar xjvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 08:12.37 | bob2 | autodeetcttion and "real kernels" for everyone! |
| 08:12.39 | mhall | peterS: it is not legal to prevent me from disclosing illegal acts |
| 08:12.40 | bztunk | bytewalker: tar -xjvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 08:12.41 | tchiak | VIA isn't hard to get working... ESS however is a biatch to play with |
| 08:12.44 | bztunk | Gnea: grr |
| 08:12.46 | peterS | mhall: sure they have limits. if you have to testify in court, that overrides your NDA. that's not what we're talking about here, though. |
| 08:12.56 | Gnea | tchiak: true |
| 08:12.57 | *** join/#debian ouunpi (~egbert@atlantis.noc.amarin.net) |
| 08:12.58 | AnitaLove | is there a website where there are news updates on the progress of kernel 2.6 for debian? |
| 08:13.00 | mhall | peterS: and frequently the court interpretations of NDAs vary from what the text says |
| 08:13.03 | Dewi | peterS : it's a whole enormous section of legal practice, based on hundreds of years of real cases |
| 08:13.14 | Dewi | peterS : it's more about what is fair and makes sense than what rights it clashes with |
| 08:13.16 | bob2 | AnitaLove: on what? it's just waiting for the ftpmasters to let it into Debian. |
| 08:13.27 | VynoM | hehe... I knew I should have selected more apps to install. I've got to redo this. It's dselect right? |
| 08:13.28 | bob2 | AnitaLove: http://herbert.debian.org/~herbet/ |
| 08:13.34 | *** join/#debian sphair|squash (~sphair-sp@217.13.9.138) |
| 08:13.35 | peterS | Dewi: still. if you can sign away your freedom of speech, how does it make sense that you *cannot* sign away your "right to reverse engineer"? that makes no sense to me |
| 08:13.37 | tchiak | o_p |
| 08:13.49 | tchiak | no VynoM: modconfig or some command like taht |
| 08:13.52 | Dewi | peterS : because it's monopolising behaviour |
| 08:13.54 | mhall | peterS: there is another tricky issue here |
| 08:13.54 | tchiak | let me boot up my debian |
| 08:14.04 | Dewi | peterS : signing away freedom of speech has a purpose |
| 08:14.07 | bob2 | VynoM: why are you up to doing now? |
| 08:14.09 | mhall | peterS: anti-trust is one part of it |
| 08:14.17 | Dewi | peterS : preventing you from using rdesktop has no purpose apart from monopolising |
| 08:14.19 | VynoM | bob2 play a cd.. hehe |
| 08:14.19 | Gnea | Host herbert.debian.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 08:14.23 | Gnea | bob2: ... |
| 08:14.31 | peterS | mhall,Dewi: anti-trust is a whole other issue. I wasn't trying to talk specifically about Microsoft here. |
| 08:14.32 | VynoM | I was too anxious to get into debian I didn't really install much |
| 08:14.48 | VynoM | figured with my 2.2MB cable modem I'd have time later |
| 08:14.56 | bob2 | AnitaLove: http://master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 08:14.58 | peterS | Dewi: you say it has no other purpose. but that is only conjecture on your part. |
| 08:15.03 | Dewi | peterS : actually if you look at it, a NDA pretty much is for monopolising. :) |
| 08:15.08 | Dewi | peterS : but *legal* monopolising |
| 08:15.09 | Dewi | :P |
| 08:15.11 | peterS | Dewi: it's your word against the company's. |
| 08:15.14 | mhall | peterS: another part is that, if i accept a license not to use rdesktop, but cannot detect when it connects to my server, then i have a problem because i am being held liable for something over which i have no control |
| 08:15.20 | Stripes | I don't understand what it mean when it says I need to add initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf... where am I supposed to add that? |
| 08:15.23 | Dewi | peterS : correct |
| 08:15.29 | Dewi | peterS : I'm not a lawyer |
| 08:15.31 | peterS | Dewi: for example, they can say "we refuse to authorise third-party clients because it places an unnecessary burden on our support staff." |
| 08:15.31 | debian | Dewi: do you know what is the only legal monopoly in US? :) |
| 08:15.44 | peterS | Dewi: that's a *business* reason for that. never mind whether or not it's actually true |
| 08:15.50 | AnitaLove | hmm |
| 08:15.57 | Dewi | peterS : but the viewpoint that contracts are simple and readable as a sensible straightforward document is very naive |
| 08:16.02 | mhall | peterS: so it would be Microsoft's job to prove i knew that my users were using the unauthorized client |
| 08:16.10 | Dewi | peterS : there have been many examples of contracts even changing meaning 20 years after being signed |
| 08:16.12 | VynoM | hmm... it's not dselect. What's the "other" larger package config? |
| 08:16.15 | peterS | mhall: well, that's beside the point |
| 08:16.19 | Dewi | peterS : due to changing definitions of terminology |
| 08:16.20 | bob2 | Stripes: under the image=/vmlinuz line, EXACTLY as it told you to. |
| 08:16.22 | bob2 | VynoM: aptitude? |
| 08:16.24 | mhall | peterS: i could make it impossible for microsoft to enforce that term of the license |
| 08:16.24 | tchiak | Vyonm: modconf will let you install new modules |
| 08:16.27 | peterS | mhall: that's true for *any* license violation, no matter what terms you're talking about |
| 08:16.32 | Stripes | so what would that line look like? |
| 08:16.43 | Gnea | Stripes: you already typed it |
| 08:16.50 | peterS | mhall: the point isn't "whether or not they can prosecute". it's "whether or not you believe the license is valid and should be followed". |
| 08:17.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 609] by debhelper |
| 08:17.04 | Dewi | that's an interesting question |
| 08:17.08 | Stripes | so you replace image=/vmlinuz with initrd=/initrd.img or you actually type it under it? |
| 08:17.10 | Dewi | if you open a warez server you're liable for its use |
| 08:17.10 | *** join/#debian dissected (~jeremy@pcp05402648pcs.kenets01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 08:17.11 | *** join/#debian chimaera (~chi@p50916F9E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:17.15 | Dewi | if you open a terminal server |
| 08:17.20 | bob2 | Stripes: dude, read what it told you. UNDER. |
| 08:17.21 | Dewi | are you liable if somebody uses rdesktop to connect to it? |
| 08:17.23 | peterS | mhall: if you want to get into "whether or not I can get away with xxx behavior", that is a whole different story, and has little to do with legal theory |
| 08:17.23 | AnitaLove | bob2 -> if I add that to my sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade, I should be at kernel 2.6? |
| 08:17.24 | *** join/#debian cyberyo (~cyberyo@194.250.194.240) |
| 08:17.27 | Dewi | this stuff can only be tested in courts really |
| 08:17.29 | rich_ | Some people believe that no rule of law is fair if it can not be enforced. |
| 08:17.29 | bob2 | AnitaLove: nope. |
| 08:17.33 | Gnea | Stripes: image= is the same as initrd= since when? |
| 08:17.41 | bob2 | AnitaLove: downlod the .debs and install them. |
| 08:17.49 | rich_ | ...it results in selective prosecution |
| 08:17.49 | mhall | Dewi: well, it is obvious to me that you would not be able to be liable because you have no hand in it |
| 08:17.50 | Dewi | peterS : there is no definition of what is legal until it is tested in court |
| 08:17.52 | tchiak | muwhaha |
| 08:18.10 | mhall | Dewi: whereas, if you open a warez server, you know you opened it and put warez there |
| 08:18.11 | Dewi | peterS : that's why we need lawyers and pay them a lot of money to decide what people can get away with |
| 08:18.15 | VynoM | bob2 that's it. I need to run aptitude. Wait. I think that's something else. There was another basic setup to install "X window server, Graphical Desktops, Games, Debian Junior" Was that dselect? |
| 08:18.15 | tchiak | i was so used to ae being a part of debian so i just "ln ne ae" |
| 08:18.19 | peterS | Dewi: not true. there is a definition. the question is whether or not you can convince a court to set *new* precedents and let you off the hook |
| 08:18.20 | tchiak | instant ae command :) |
| 08:18.24 | Dewi | peterS : what you can get away with is the law in the 21st century |
| 08:18.25 | bob2 | VynoM: tasksel |
| 08:18.31 | mhall | Dewi: in the case of a misconfigured server that gets filled with warez, you are only liable when you know about is |
| 08:18.32 | VynoM | bob2 that's it. Thanks |
| 08:18.32 | tchiak | no tasksel |
| 08:18.33 | tchiak | sucks |
| 08:18.35 | dissected | hello all |
| 08:18.43 | Gnea | anyone here ever owned/used a TI99/4A? |
| 08:18.45 | VynoM | tchiak really? |
| 08:18.50 | tchiak | bob2: modconf |
| 08:18.58 | bob2 | tchiak: wtf are you talkign about? |
| 08:19.01 | Dewi | peterS : nope. The list of precedents is so long that few people if anybody are aware of all of them. And more importantly, they contradict all over the place. |
| 08:19.08 | bob2 | tchiak: put down Gnea's crackpipe. |
| 08:19.08 | tchiak | bob2: tasksel sucks |
| 08:19.11 | Dewi | peterS : so even the precedents already set are unclear |
| 08:19.13 | mhall | Dewi: MS's chances of banning clients are extremely slim |
| 08:19.16 | bob2 | tchiak: do you even know what modconf is? |
| 08:19.24 | mhall | debian: sometimes it is important |
| 08:19.25 | tchiak | yes lets you install modules |
| 08:19.26 | peterS | mhall: I think that's a good analogy. if you *know* you are deploying rdesktop in violation of what we'll say (for the purpose of argument) is contrary to a valid contract ... then you're probably in trouble. If you don't know it, someone else is probably in trouble. |
| 08:19.28 | bob2 | tchiak: modconf has nothing at all, ever to do with installing packages. |
| 08:19.36 | dissected | _X11TransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local---_X11TransSocketOpenCOTSClient: Unable to open socket for local... |
| 08:19.36 | Gnea | bob2: i don't own one. you're hallucinating. :) |
| 08:19.38 | bob2 | tchiak: what is the connection between modconf and tasksel? |
| 08:19.39 | dissected | what is this? |
| 08:19.43 | mhall | peterS: hold on |
| 08:19.47 | Dewi | peterS : unless a court would throw it out. Which I think is likely. |
| 08:19.51 | bob2 | dissected: X failed to start? |
| 08:19.53 | Dewi | peterS : it's never been tested. |
| 08:20.00 | tchiak | bob2: modconf isn't grouped crap |
| 08:20.07 | mhall | peterS: the users do not have the clickwrap anti-RE license |
| 08:20.07 | debian | mhall: I remember the time when three of my co-workers discussing something they have little knowledge with |
| 08:20.10 | bob2 | tchiak: wtf are you babbling about? |
| 08:20.13 | peterS | Dewi: neither has the GPL. "never been tested" does not mean "we have no idea what it really means" |
| 08:20.22 | dissected | bob2: no, this is what I get when I try to run certain programs. It started happenening for no apparent reason. |
| 08:20.23 | bob2 | tchiak: modconf and tasksel do not do the same thing. not even close. |
| 08:20.24 | tchiak | bob2: tasksel groups crap |
| 08:20.42 | dissected | bob2: X boots up and runs fine. It's just programs like et and gtkradiant |
| 08:20.44 | bob2 | tchiak: ok, stop talking. modconf loads kernel modules. tasksel selects packages to install. |
| 08:20.47 | mhall | peterS: so the trick to the whole thing is to deploy the project with two admins who work documentably independently |
| 08:20.56 | *** join/#debian cloaked (~Jim@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-062-242.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 08:20.59 | bob2 | dissected: what's different about them? |
| 08:21.01 | tchiak | he needs the sound module installed |
| 08:21.03 | mhall | peterS: one admin deploys the TS, another independly googles to find a TS client |
| 08:21.10 | mhall | peterS: then the problem is solved |
| 08:21.11 | peterS | mhall: this is true. so if you maintain some sort of chinese wall where you refuse to monitor what your clients install on their computers, you might get away with an ignorance defense. I think it would be hard to pull that off without looking negligent, though |
| 08:21.19 | tchiak | and dselect and apt-get does a better job than tasksel |
| 08:21.22 | tchiak | or i prefer them at least |
| 08:21.29 | debian | don't use dselect |
| 08:21.35 | Dewi | peterS : hmm |
| 08:21.52 | Dewi | peterS : I think if you used, or allowed people to use, rdesktop to avoid proper licensing, you'd be liable |
| 08:21.53 | dissected | bob2: Well, they use openGL. But et will startup fine, but then I do a vid_restart and then it crashes giving me that message. |
| 08:21.57 | mhall | peterS: well the trick with negligence is you have to have standing in the negligence to file a claim |
| 08:22.01 | peterS | mhall: the "two admins" plan sounds good, until it is demonstrated that you did it that way on purpose in order to get around a license. then it's no longer a matter of "ignorance" (: |
| 08:22.04 | Dewi | peterS : but if you already owned a CAL, I don't see any court having a problem |
| 08:22.12 | *** join/#debian paquin (~paquin@213.254.5.45) |
| 08:22.21 | mhall | peterS: well it would be on microsoft to demonstrate that fact |
| 08:22.35 | *** join/#debian Rakko (~eric@c68.115.20.211.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 08:22.38 | mhall | peterS: and the fifth amendment would prevent them from forcing the admins to admit to it |
| 08:22.48 | peterS | mhall: as may be. "what is legal" versus "what you can get away with" are definitely not the same thing, though. we should clarify which one we're actually debating |
| 08:22.49 | mhall | peterS: so it would be a real conundrum |
| 08:22.53 | Dewi | mhall : I am an employee of Microsoft, and I'm logging this conversation. I know your IP address. |
| 08:23.03 | bztunk | Dewi: ! |
| 08:23.07 | Rakko | lol |
| 08:23.17 | bob2 | hah, the Microsoft queensland office? |
| 08:23.22 | mhall | Dewi: *yawn* that's all well and good except for the fact that i didn't break any laws or license terms yet |
| 08:23.27 | mhall | Dewi: log away |
| 08:23.30 | *** join/#debian wacko_-_ (wacko_-@cs6625201-79.austin.rr.com) |
| 08:23.34 | Dewi | mhall : I have one phone in one hand, calling you ISP, and the other hand is dialing for the MS Ninjas on the other line |
| 08:23.35 | Gnea | Dewi: under the DMCA, you must now cease and desist. |
| 08:23.46 | peterS | mhall: he'll go after you and your company RSN though, and bring irc logs into court with him. |
| 08:23.47 | bztunk | ms ninjas haha |
| 08:23.48 | Dewi | bob2 : yeah :) |
| 08:23.50 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 08:23.51 | mhall | Dewi: not to mention my address comes from a dynamic pool thousands of IPs large |
| 08:23.52 | bztunk | i hope they won't get a bsod |
| 08:24.03 | mhall | peterS: they could all be fake |
| 08:24.05 | debian | Dewi: are you sure you understand the term of services they've with tech calls? :) |
| 08:24.09 | Dewi | mhall : that's why I'm calling your ISP, who have the legal obligation to assist in a criminal inquiry |
| 08:24.15 | Dewi | mhall : and that has been tested in court |
| 08:24.15 | Dewi | :P |
| 08:24.16 | bztunk | mhall: do you understand sarcasm? jokes? |
| 08:24.16 | *** join/#debian Erik2_ (~ericg@182-232.hy.cgocable.ca) |
| 08:24.17 | peterS | mhall: that won't protect you when they come in with a court order and subpoena the ISP's connection logs |
| 08:24.25 | mhall | peterS: i could win a case like that merely by defending myself |
| 08:24.42 | debian | Dewi: in my place, $175 per question, 2 questions minimal |
| 08:24.43 | mhall | peterS: the connection logs only prove i was there, not that i said what i was claimed to say |
| 08:24.48 | debian | 3 questions minmal, even |
| 08:24.51 | mhall | bztunk: i do |
| 08:24.57 | *** join/#debian egbert (~egbert@atlantis.noc.amarin.net) |
| 08:25.00 | peterS | mhall: once again, if your viewpoint is that "anything I can get away with and not go to jail for is perfectly fine", then we're not debating what I thought we were debating |
| 08:25.01 | mhall | bztunk: but this has a serious side to it as well |
| 08:25.15 | mhall | peterS: well, i think that both are important |
| 08:25.17 | Erik2_ | Hi, I try to install db2 on a debian distro. The install script want to do a lot of rpm. Is there a way in debian to make it work ? |
| 08:25.17 | bztunk | mhall: yeah, whatever :D |
| 08:25.30 | peterS | mhall: Dewi is probably going to subpoena freenode's IRC logs too |
| 08:25.31 | Dewi | debian : do you think we could retroactively impose such fees in #debian? |
| 08:25.32 | Gnea | Erik2_: alien |
| 08:25.33 | jm_ | erikd: apt-get install rpm, read docs in /usr/share/doc/rpm |
| 08:25.36 | mhall | peterS: what is legal and what is enforceable are important to consider |
| 08:25.49 | mhall | peterS: *yawn* lilo will delete them for me |
| 08:26.03 | jm_ | Erik2_: apt-get install rpm, read docs in /usr/share/doc/rpm |
| 08:26.05 | peterS | mhall: heh |
| 08:26.15 | Dewi | mhall : mp3s on kazaa is illegal, yet totally unenforceable |
| 08:26.17 | paquin | Erik2_: try alien |
| 08:26.20 | Erik2_ | jm_: I've done it. |
| 08:26.24 | rich_ | Oh dont worry about that, everybody will probably subpoena them sooner or later :) |
| 08:26.27 | SlayerXP | Dewi: not true. |
| 08:26.30 | Dewi | mhall : there's a bit line |
| 08:26.34 | Dewi | SlayerXP : I didn't mean any mp3 |
| 08:26.34 | Gnea | Dewi: not entirely. |
| 08:26.35 | mhall | Dewi: that is actually quite enforcable |
| 08:26.43 | Erik2_ | guys, It must be transparent to the script ... |
| 08:26.43 | Dewi | s/mp3s/copyrighted mp3s/ |
| 08:26.44 | rich_ | Everybody who runs one of those servers :) |
| 08:26.54 | mhall | Dewi: people have had to settle to avoid copyright infringement charges |
| 08:26.57 | debian | Dewi: I'm just kidding you, but the price is real |
| 08:27.01 | *** join/#debian hramrach (~hramrach@suchanek.ruk.cuni.cz) |
| 08:27.02 | bob2 | Erik2_: you should talk to IBM. |
| 08:27.05 | peterS | mhall: Dewi makes a good point. when big money is involved, occasionally in the US courts we find to our great surprise that some things are more enforceable than we thought, after all |
| 08:27.08 | Gnea | Dewi: mp3's of music that was originally created under record labled owned by the RIAA, true. any other mp3's, you can bow down and suck some cock. |
| 08:27.09 | Erik2_ | bob2: forget it. |
| 08:27.25 | Gnea | </sarcasm> |
| 08:27.34 | Dewi | Gnea : the RIAA don't have a legal monopoly on copyright |
| 08:27.43 | dissected | Why would some programs suddenly start failing to connect to X socket eventhough X boots up and runs fine? |
| 08:27.47 | peterS | mhall: nobody used to think a 14-year-old kid would ever get sued for copyright infringement by trading MP3s, right? |
| 08:27.47 | Dewi | Gnea : everybody has copyright |
| 08:27.49 | mhall | peterS: luckily though, when it comes to core issues like the one we have been discussing, there is big money on the defense side too |
| 08:27.50 | Gnea | Dewi: that's not the point. |
| 08:27.52 | bob2 | Erik2_: eh? they employ a few Debian people. |
| 08:27.54 | debian | Gnea: what if I actually own the CD and make Mp3 for my mp3 player? |
| 08:27.58 | gb | oops must have rejoined to #bitch |
| 08:28.07 | debian | bob2: few? :) |
| 08:28.08 | gb | thought this was #debian :) |
| 08:28.11 | Gnea | debian: do i look like a lawyer? :) |
| 08:28.23 | mhall | peterS: i always knew they would find away to track big users of kazaa. it's obviously against the law, and should be. it's music theft. |
| 08:28.24 | peterS | !lart bztunk |
| 08:28.30 | gb | how do you stop a lawyer from drowning? |
| 08:28.32 | bztunk | haha |
| 08:28.39 | Erik2_ | bob2: maybe but for now, I just want to try the trial for tonight. |
| 08:28.39 | bztunk | !botsnack |
| 08:28.39 | dpkg | bztunk: :) |
| 08:28.47 | mhall | peterS: but users using rdesktop to connect to my terminal server is not so obviously illegal or anything |
| 08:28.55 | peterS | mhall: right. but most people believed "it will never happen to me, they can't enforce this, thus it is ok". we have recently learned what a fallacy that is |
| 08:28.56 | Dewi | mhall : theft my arse. that's emotive and inaccurate terminology. |
| 08:29.00 | mhall | peterS: and the license term is not eminently enforcable |
| 08:29.00 | Erik2_ | bob2: I just want to know if it's possible to run rpm that's it. |
| 08:29.01 | rich_ | I heard they dropped all those lawsuits for downloading mp3's because it turned out it was actually illegal. Its illegal to select people for investigation of criminal activities based on hearsay which it turned out, the internet is. |
| 08:29.02 | debian | gb: it's actually #bitch. If I were you I'll check :) |
| 08:29.06 | bob2 | Erik2_: then there's no simple way, if their installer is so silly as to call RPM itself. |
| 08:29.17 | bob2 | Erik2_: no, do nto ever run the "rpm" command directly in Debian, |
| 08:29.20 | Rakko | I know this is terribly off-topic, but has anyone noticed any X locale bugs in Debian lately? My apps (all of a sudden) keep complaining that my locale is not supported. |
| 08:29.20 | Gnea | debian: you could... as long as you don't distribute them... further, someone would actually have to prove that the music didn't come from another source, plus it would have to fall into someone's hands to do so... who ever got busted for audio cassettes? :) |
| 08:29.30 | rich_ | As soon as the first vitcim claimed a hacker must have done it, the whole thing died. |
| 08:29.32 | peterS | gb: you should check what channels you are on with /server channels |
| 08:29.40 | *** join/#debian alexskan (~frnz@adsl-250-107.37-151.net24.it) |
| 08:29.44 | bob2 | Rakko: run localconf and generate them. |
| 08:29.53 | *** join/#debian tony (~tony@adsl-67-118-242-129.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 08:29.58 | tony | join #xml |
| 08:29.59 | Dewi | rich_ : an interesting story. One that I haven't heard. |
| 08:30.02 | mhall | Dewi: if you have not bought a legit copy of whatever copyrighted song you are downloading, and you have no permission to redistribute, you have stolen |
| 08:30.04 | Dewi | rich_ : I hope it's true. |
| 08:30.04 | bztunk | Rakko: actually it's on topic |
| 08:30.05 | Rakko | bob2: I don't have that. What provides it? |
| 08:30.10 | mhall | Dewi: i think it's pretty clear-cut |
| 08:30.11 | Rakko | bztunk: sarcasm |
| 08:30.13 | bob2 | !+find localeconf |
| 08:30.17 | dpkg | localeconf: (debconf interface to locale configuration), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.9.4 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 08:30.17 | gb | peterS: yeah I'll do that right after I check todays joke out with /server joke |
| 08:30.23 | bztunk | Rakko: hahhaa, you got me :D |
| 08:30.23 | Gnea | tony: what? |
| 08:30.26 | Rakko | thanks |
| 08:30.30 | Dewi | mhall : theft has a victim. This has only a pseudo-victim |
| 08:30.43 | peterS | gb: I knew you would appreciate that one, it being your favorite class of advice to the n00bs |
| 08:30.50 | mhall | Dewi: the public policy on music may be wrong but the meaning of the policy is clear |
| 08:30.55 | Dewi | mhall : it's copyright violation, not theft |
| 08:31.18 | gb | peterS: favourite probably not :) |
| 08:31.24 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 08:31.28 | mhall | Dewi: well, money came out of someone's pocket when you took a song, assuming of course you would have bought it otherwise |
| 08:31.30 | Gnea | Dewi: then what's the point of companies selling and saturating the market with such players? |
| 08:31.33 | VynoM | hmmm... I can't apt-get install xine |
| 08:31.35 | VynoM | odd |
| 08:31.36 | gb | favourite is probably rtfm :) |
| 08:31.39 | Dewi | mhall : no, money did not come out of somebody's pocket |
| 08:31.41 | mhall | Dewi: sure i agree that the loss from filesharing is overblown by RIAA |
| 08:31.47 | Dewi | mhall : no money changed hands whatsoever |
| 08:31.50 | Gnea | VynoM: apt-cache search xine |
| 08:31.53 | tony | Gnea, joining another channel - missed the prepended '/' before the irc command |
| 08:32.04 | Gnea | tony: :) |
| 08:32.05 | *** join/#debian nailzy (~nailzy@van58-8-234-78.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 08:32.08 | mhall | Dewi: they do not account for the fact that people who downloaded may not have purchase the music anyway |
| 08:32.09 | peterS | mhall: likewise with TS. you are running 16 copies of EXPLORER.EXE on 16 clients. you only paid for one copy of TS. thus you are clearly obligated to satisfy some sort of additional license in order to run 15 of those copies. whether or not *all* the terms of the license are reasonable is I suppose up to debate, but needing that license really isn't |
| 08:32.41 | mhall | Dewi: but on some level you have to agree that money is lost when people download music |
| 08:32.45 | bob2 | peterS: but you're context-switching, only one copy is actually running at any given time. |
| 08:32.53 | peterS | bob2: heh |
| 08:32.53 | Dewi | mhall : I know somebody who has downloaded 2000 CDs worth of music and video. and that's not an exaggeration. Not only couldn't he possibly afford all that stuff, he hasn't even watched/listened to much of it |
| 08:32.55 | gb | peterS: how about that init software of mine running on your computer? |
| 08:32.56 | mhall | Dewi: and i'd argue it's being taken from the people who lose it |
| 08:33.06 | mhall | peterS: sure I agree with you there |
| 08:33.10 | gb | don't try & killall it now |
| 08:33.13 | mhall | peterS: it's ok for MS to make you buy CALs |
| 08:33.15 | Rakko | What does the C in locale C stand for, anyway? |
| 08:33.18 | peterS | bob2: I don't think the courts would be very impressed by *that* line of reasoning. besides, you probably have a 4-way hyperthreaded Xeon (: |
| 08:33.23 | Gnea | mhall: that's an over-2-year-old argument that's been proven mythical. |
| 08:33.31 | bztunk | Rakko: for C |
| 08:33.32 | Dewi | mhall : sure, money is lost. I just disagree with people equating it to theft, which is an oversimplification. |
| 08:33.33 | bob2 | peterS: hah, me? :-p |
| 08:33.37 | Rakko | bztunk: :P |
| 08:33.46 | peterS | bob2: if you're running Windows TS you need all the CPU you can get |
| 08:33.52 | mhall | peterS: but once you have your CALs i do not think it is legal to stop you from using them how you want |
| 08:34.08 | SlayerXP | Dewi: the "it's not theft because nothing physical is taken" argument is utter bullshit. |
| 08:34.12 | gb | What is a CAL? |
| 08:34.18 | Gnea | Dewi: correct. the whole market is changing, these are all merely steps along that line of change. |
| 08:34.18 | mhall | peterS: if you bought your licenses and you did not cheat, you damn well better be free to use what you bought in a fair way |
| 08:34.21 | peterS | mhall: it would be nice if the world worked that way. I still think the courts would side with Microsoft that their license is enforceable, no matter whether or not you think the terms are reasonable |
| 08:34.23 | bztunk | SlayerXP: hum, no it's not |
| 08:34.25 | mhall | gb: client access license |
| 08:34.28 | Dewi | mhall : I think you're probably right there. But it's grey. |
| 08:34.30 | rich_ | When I bought cable they told me I could watch all kinds of video they didnt tell me that there was any difference between the computer and the television, they both come off the same cable. Now they say I shouldnt copy stuff I see, I respect that, and so I do not even have a burner. |
| 08:34.36 | SlayerXP | Dewi: that argument would make it okay for people to steal copies of any digitally stored data. |
| 08:34.42 | Dewi | SlayerXP : no, I didn't say it was okay |
| 08:34.46 | gb | oh, thought debian was opensource :) |
| 08:34.47 | Dewi | SlayerXP : I said it was copyright violation |
| 08:34.47 | SlayerXP | Dewi: like your personal credit records. |
| 08:34.49 | Dewi | SlayerXP : not theft |
| 08:34.54 | peterS | mhall: after all, you *did* pay them your money in exchange for these licenses. you should have checked to see what you were actually buying |
| 08:34.55 | Dewi | SlayerXP : they are different crimes |
| 08:34.58 | *** join/#debian vanguard (~Systemlor@izn-ts02-28.izn.niedersachsen.de) |
| 08:35.00 | Dewi | SlayerXP : with different issues attached |
| 08:35.03 | SlayerXP | Dewi: bullshit. |
| 08:35.08 | bztunk | SlayerXP: you know the difference with theft and copyright infrigment, right? |
| 08:35.14 | SlayerXP | bztunk: very much so, yes. |
| 08:35.24 | mhall | peterS: well that is where it gets interesting |
| 08:35.29 | peterS | mhall: indeed. |
| 08:35.32 | Dewi | SlayerXP : I'm not saying it's okay |
| 08:35.43 | bztunk | SlayerXP: so why are you telling me that copyright violation is thef? |
| 08:35.43 | mhall | peterS: because there are a couple of conflicting principles |
| 08:35.47 | Dewi | SlayerXP : I'm saying it's more complicated than the case of some kid breaking into my house and taking stuff |
| 08:35.49 | Gnea | peterS: of course the courts are going to side, microsoft has too much to gain, especially now that they're finally taking open source ideas seriously. but if it can be proven that they present a threat in another fashion.... |
| 08:35.53 | VynoM | ugh... too tired now to fool with this. Still no sound. I'll work on it later |
| 08:36.01 | mhall | peterS: the stronger one is a principle of freedom for the consumer |
| 08:36.06 | Rakko | bob2: thanks for the localeconf tip, but this didn't fix the problem |
| 08:36.11 | bob2 | VynoM: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 08:36.15 | bob2 | VynoM: then install discover |
| 08:36.29 | bob2 | VynoM: then "/msg dpkg audio" for the group stuff. all done. |
| 08:36.30 | SlayerXP | bztunk: do you think that stealing from people's house is illegal? |
| 08:36.35 | mhall | peterS: consumers should have the freedom to use what has been legitimately purchased and not to use what has not been legitimately purchase |
| 08:36.39 | mhall | purchased* |
| 08:36.46 | bztunk | SlayerXP: according to the law, of course |
| 08:36.46 | mhall | peterS: that point is fairly clear |
| 08:36.57 | SlayerXP | bztunk: okay, that's called "burglary" |
| 08:36.57 | bztunk | SlayerXP: and your point is? |
| 08:37.11 | mhall | peterS: using pirated shit is ok, but using your legal shit is pretty much legit unless you try to do something else illegal with it |
| 08:37.17 | mhall | is not ok* |
| 08:37.23 | *** join/#debian Caimlas (~Caimlas@host-13-196-9-69.midco.net) |
| 08:37.29 | SlayerXP | just because it's not called theft doesn't mean it doesn't equate to the same thing. |
| 08:37.30 | VynoM | bob2 thanks. Didn't realize this kernel wasn't "optimized" |
| 08:37.38 | Dewi | mhall : do these clients using rdesktop have a CAL associated with them? |
| 08:37.42 | Dewi | (client access license) |
| 08:37.43 | Dewi | ? |
| 08:37.57 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@027.e.011.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 08:37.57 | mhall | Dewi: the CAL is handed to the TS by the TS license server. |
| 08:38.01 | bob2 | VynoM: that's not the problem, it just doesn't include support for all devices. |
| 08:38.05 | bztunk | SlayerXP: ok, but it's not because something is illegal that it is thef |
| 08:38.10 | Dewi | mhall : I'd say that's what it would come down to in court. But it's a matter of grey legal opinion. |
| 08:38.11 | bob2 | VynoM: if you already have the module availble, ignore that step. |
| 08:38.12 | mhall | Dewi: you can't tell that they are any different from mstsc.exe |
| 08:38.19 | Caimlas | debian: just fyi (so as to help others if the need arises), the problem resulted from (I'm guessing) trying out kde cvs stuff at some point, and the problem was solved by removing ~/.mcop (if you recall, it was QPixmap something-or-other issues) |
| 08:38.21 | peterS | mhall: sure. but try this gedankenexperiment.... |
| 08:38.25 | peterS | mhall: say my super-leet hacked version of rdesktop uses a single connection to TS and distributes displays over 10 clients. do I need 1 CAL or 10? if I need 10, why? |
| 08:38.38 | mhall | Dewi: well a lot of decisions have to be made on gray legal grounds |
| 08:38.46 | Dewi | SlayerXP : if I play my music too loudly next door to you, are you going to say that it's "peace and quiet theft" next? |
| 08:38.51 | VynoM | bob2 not sure but I think it's avail. Did a lsmod and it showed it was unused. modprobe and now it's in use |
| 08:38.52 | *** join/#debian oclug-bjb (~bjb@ip130-191.ott.istop.com) |
| 08:38.55 | VynoM | still no sound though |
| 08:38.58 | peterS | mhall: my point *there* is that the client software which MS does not control might do things they don't wish to license you to do. should you still be free to do them? |
| 08:38.58 | Gnea | this is why most of the music i listen to these days is either made by friends, from scratch, or i just listen to the radio |
| 08:38.59 | mhall | peterS: it distributes the display across ten clients, but the all have to do the same thing at the same time right? |
| 08:39.01 | SlayerXP | Dewi: no, that's "disturbing the peace" |
| 08:39.06 | tchiak | hmmm |
| 08:39.11 | Dewi | SlayerXP : yes. And filesharing is copyright violation, not theft |
| 08:39.15 | mhall | peterS: that means it is functionally equivalent to a VGA multiplication box |
| 08:39.18 | Rakko | Has anyone noticed any X locale bugs in Debian lately? My apps (all of a sudden) keep complaining that my locale is not supported (e.g.: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C), followed by them crashing. |
| 08:39.19 | bztunk | SlayerXP: same thing with copyright violation |
| 08:39.20 | bob2 | VynoM: you have it then. |
| 08:39.21 | peterS | mhall: no, hypothetically here my leet client figured out a way to get 10 independent desktops out of 1 connection. |
| 08:39.23 | mhall | peterS: and to me, that should be legal |
| 08:39.28 | bob2 | VynoM: just /msg dpkg audio |
| 08:39.35 | bob2 | VynoM: add yourself to that group and enjoy. |
| 08:39.37 | Caimlas | Dewi: er, some copyright violation -is- theft. |
| 08:39.38 | SlayerXP | well, I have one simple approach to file "sharers" |
| 08:39.39 | mhall | peterS: ah that's a little different then. |
| 08:39.42 | Gnea | Dewi: again, if what you're sharing is copyrighted material. |
| 08:39.48 | peterS | mhall: assume here that I'm exploiting a bug / easter egg / unintentional feature of TS. |
| 08:39.51 | SlayerXP | I fire them, easy. |
| 08:39.51 | bob2 | Rakko: echo $LOCALE. do you have that locale genmerated? |
| 08:40.04 | Rakko | bob2: I don't have that var defined. |
| 08:40.05 | mhall | peterS: i'd say that's against the rules because of two things |
| 08:40.05 | bztunk | Caimlas: possible, do you have exemples? |
| 08:40.18 | mhall | peterS: the CALs can be installed as per user or per device |
| 08:40.35 | peterS | mhall: so. does MS have the right to say "thou shalt not use the peterS leet client"? |
| 08:40.36 | mhall | peterS: the leet client is obviously using more than one user or device |
| 08:40.39 | bob2 | Rakko: one of the locale env vars are. |
| 08:40.40 | Rakko | bob2: setting LOCALE=C does not solve it |
| 08:41.00 | rich_ | Id say that microsoft deliberately made their product so that it could not stop people from connecting with clients made by some other company, and the people who connected with the questionable clients were probably ms employees, just for the purpose of litigation. This amounts to a trojan that allowed unauthorised people to connect to your computer and to the extent that its illegal, microsoft is responcible. |
| 08:41.11 | jm_ | Rakko: it |
| 08:41.16 | jm_ | 's LANG=C and LC_ALL=C |
| 08:41.19 | rich_ | Id then counter sue, useing the records of the first court case as evidence |
| 08:41.21 | mhall | peterS: i would say that MS has the right to say you can't use a one-user or one-device CAL for more than one user or device |
| 08:41.37 | peterS | rich_: heh. interesting line of thought. I doubt it would get too far either, unfortunately |
| 08:41.49 | Rakko | jm_: ok, but no joy |
| 08:41.58 | mhall | peterS: if somebody downloads peterS leet client and misuses some CALs, and knows that he did that, then he could get into trouble for using peterS leet client |
| 08:41.59 | VynoM | bob2 I used modconf to add the ac97 module. modprobe ac97 That worked so far. I suppose I have to logout now to fix this group thing. I'll be bac |
| 08:42.02 | *** join/#debian heisenbug (~birger@ti211310a080-1245.bb.online.no) |
| 08:42.02 | VynoM | back even |
| 08:42.02 | deadcat | Rakko: you might have to export it.? |
| 08:42.06 | jm_ | Rakko: set them, then run locale, see what it reports |
| 08:42.12 | Rakko | deadcat: nope |
| 08:42.16 | Dewi | I think we're all paying too little attention to the Microsoft Ninjas here. Legal, illegal, it doesn't matter when you have a MS Ninja-Star lodged in your skull. |
| 08:42.23 | mhall | peterS: but they should not be able to specifically ban peterS leet client if it was legally and legitimately reverse engineered |
| 08:42.36 | heisenbug | I'm about to buy a new HD. Is there a manufacturer which is especially linux and debian friendly? |
| 08:42.39 | rich_ | peterS I dont see any opposeing arguement getting too far. Did I miss something? Is any court actually considering such a frivolous case? |
| 08:42.39 | mhall | Dewi: ACLU and the Libertarian Party are powerful too. |
| 08:42.40 | deadcat | Rakko: what happen if you set LANG=POSIX? |
| 08:42.45 | Gnea | Dewi: you make it sound as if microsoft is above any law. |
| 08:42.54 | mhall | Dewi: Not to mention, MS lost the Java case. |
| 08:42.54 | Dewi | Gnea : this has been demonstrated. |
| 08:42.55 | bztunk | Dewi: if they run windows xp embedded, good luck getting that star in any skull |
| 08:42.58 | *** join/#debian tictac (~tictac@ip68-102-138-177.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 08:43.01 | Rakko | jm_: ok. All of them are "C", except LANG and LC_ALL, which are C (not quotation marks). |
| 08:43.02 | Dewi | mhall : Sun Ninjas! |
| 08:43.12 | jm_ | Rakko: looks OK |
| 08:43.16 | mhall | Dewi: The Java case is a very important reminder of how the rules work. |
| 08:43.22 | Gnea | Dewi: true. and just like any other corporation, it will lose. |
| 08:43.26 | mhall | Dewi: MS can't steal with impunity. |
| 08:43.31 | *** join/#debian RinzeWind (~chema@2001:800:40:260c:0:0:1127:2) |
| 08:43.36 | Dewi | mhall : all that java case did was make my java VM take up more memory and run fucking slowly |
| 08:43.40 | *** join/#debian SYNeR- (S1nn3r@dialup-167.132.220.203.acc01-geor-bat.comindico.com.au) |
| 08:43.40 | *** join/#debian VynoM (greg@ip-wv-68-113-132-131.charterwv.net) |
| 08:43.41 | Erik2_ | I don't know about rpm. I have to replace to rpm command in a script. 1) rpm -qa 2) rpm -ivh what is equivalent with alien? |
| 08:43.42 | Gnea | Dewi: that was its first mistake. |
| 08:43.47 | *** join/#debian Caimlas (~Caimlas@host-13-196-9-69.midco.net) |
| 08:43.49 | Rakko | deadcat: lemme see... that doesn't seem to help AFAICT |
| 08:43.51 | SYNeR- | has all of gnome 2.4 made it into testing/sarge? |
| 08:44.01 | mhall | Dewi: i have not had problems with J2EE from Sun on this Windows Server box |
| 08:44.04 | Dewi | Blimey. Can we lower the level of faith in the legal system in here? |
| 08:44.08 | bob2 | Rakko: because quotes aren't needed if you don't use spaces |
| 08:44.09 | Dewi | it's sickening |
| 08:44.15 | bob2 | SYNeR-: no, we went through this an hour ago |
| 08:44.21 | jm_ | Erik2_: rpm -qa will list all instaleld packages, there's no equivalent alien command for it |
| 08:44.29 | Rakko | bob2: yes, but: NONE of them has a space. They are all just C or "C". |
| 08:44.38 | hramrach | Hello |
| 08:44.43 | bob2 | Rakko: exactly, so the quotes don't matter |
| 08:44.44 | Rakko | hi |
| 08:44.45 | peterS | mhall: here's another puzzler for ya. another gedankenexperiment. |
| 08:44.46 | peterS | mhall: say MS ships two versions of the CAL. one is for use with Windows, the other is for use with whatever you want. the second is $150 more expensive than the first, making the two basically the same price if you include a Windows license. does MS have the right to do this? |
| 08:44.46 | Caimlas | dear god save me |
| 08:44.51 | Erik2_ | jm_: and rpm -ivh ? |
| 08:44.55 | jm_ | Rakko: that's just the way locale command prints them |
| 08:44.57 | VynoM | bob2 bummer. Running xine gives me error. Failed to open control device /dev/em8300-0 (No such file or directory) |
| 08:45.02 | SYNeR- | hmm |
| 08:45.05 | Rakko | bob2: I'm just wondering why the 'locale' command chooses, seemingly arbitrarily, to display them that way |
| 08:45.08 | jm_ | Erik2_: well I would use rpm like I said before, but you'll probably need --nodeps switch |
| 08:45.15 | bob2 | VynoM: I've never even heard of that device. |
| 08:45.16 | mhall | Erik2_: well alien the package, then dpkg -i it |
| 08:45.22 | VynoM | neither have I |
| 08:45.27 | mhall | Erik2_: that should take care of it |
| 08:45.27 | Rakko | So no one knows of a **general** problem with X locales in the recent sid?? |
| 08:45.28 | bob2 | VynoM: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" emit static? |
| 08:45.35 | peterS | mhall: alternatively, they could structure it such that the CAL costs $200, Windows costs $150, and you get a $150 rebate for buying both at once |
| 08:45.47 | mhall | peterS: they could do that |
| 08:45.47 | peterS | mhall: do they have a right to do *that*? |
| 08:45.49 | VynoM | bob2 sure does |
| 08:45.58 | Erik2_ | mhall: can't do it just with one pass? alien -i ... |
| 08:46.01 | mhall | peterS: yeah i would say they could do that |
| 08:46.08 | mhall | Erik2_: probably could |
| 08:46.16 | *** join/#debian MiXeN_dK (~mikkel2@217.60.94.15) |
| 08:46.17 | bob2 | VynoM: sound is working, xine is on crack. |
| 08:46.18 | mhall | Erik2_: maybe you can pipe it? |
| 08:46.29 | peterS | mhall: but the effect is that they've forced you to pay for Windows for each CAL whether or not you want to use it. not fair. yet probably enforceable. |
| 08:46.45 | Erik2_ | jm_ and mhall: what's the meaning of ivh in rpm? install, verbose, and h? |
| 08:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 616] by debhelper |
| 08:47.01 | jm_ | Erik2_: install verbose print_hashes |
| 08:47.02 | mhall | peterS: when it comes to pricing, you can't gouge in emergencies, or collude, or exploit a monopoly (ms had to settle with california on that issue) |
| 08:47.30 | mhall | peterS: you can make as many obnoxious pricing systems as you want, because with those, the consumer knows ahead of time |
| 08:47.31 | Erik2_ | jm_ print_hashes? what's that? |
| 08:47.43 | peterS | mhall: that's why the second version of my conjecture would work better. it's just a rebate for buying two products at once. it's hard to say *that* is monopoly behavior. |
| 08:47.44 | jm_ | Erik2_: it prints 50 hashes as package is being unpacked |
| 08:47.54 | mhall | peterS: it's a little different when a product takes away a consumer's rights to make use of it once it has been legally purchased |
| 08:48.30 | Erik2_ | jm_ so not important... |
| 08:48.34 | mhall | peterS: if MS were to say, here you go, pay $200 and you get product X and Y, and you can use them how you like as long as you don't redistribute, then that would be ok |
| 08:48.39 | jm_ | Erik2_: no, just like -v isn't |
| 08:48.39 | Erik2_ | jm_ alien -i -v will do the job.. |
| 08:48.48 | peterS | mhall: so, with the first version of my conjecture ... |
| 08:48.50 | peterS | mhall: the windows version of the CAL is only $50 rather than $200. so is it legal to purchase the $50 CALs and then use them with rdesktop? |
| 08:49.16 | VynoM | ok... I'll work on xine later. Guess it's nap time |
| 08:49.18 | VynoM | thanks bob2 |
| 08:49.31 | mhall | peterS: well yes, because, a CAL should be a CAL |
| 08:49.35 | bob2 | VynoM: tell it to use "oss" for it's audio output. |
| 08:49.48 | *** part/#debian Rakko (~eric@c68.115.20.211.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 08:49.55 | jm_ | bztunk: yes we do |
| 08:50.00 | mhall | peterS: once you have the permission to connect one user or device, you damn well better have the permission to connect any user or device |
| 08:50.06 | Dewi | bztunk : unless we want to remotely use computers |
| 08:50.07 | peterS | mhall: in other words, you say they can sell $50 "windows CALs" and $200 "non-windows CALs", but they are not allowed to assert that the distinction actually means anything? |
| 08:50.12 | Dewi | bztunk : sorry, but X is really really slow |
| 08:50.27 | debian | peterS: MS offers no such license afaik. the closest one is their terminal server per seat license |
| 08:50.35 | mhall | peterS: i don't think you could really tell people that a CAL is not a CAL |
| 08:50.42 | Erik2_ | jm_ When I install package with alien -i, the name of installed package will appear in dpkg -l ? |
| 08:50.45 | bob2 | Dewi: stop there. |
| 08:50.47 | debian | peterS: but it'd never apply to rdesktop |
| 08:50.51 | mhall | peterS: either you sell me the right to let a user or device connect, or you do not. |
| 08:50.53 | bztunk | Dewi: and I don't care |
| 08:50.53 | *** join/#debian fedor (~fedor@c-24-6-110-162.client.comcast.net) |
| 08:51.00 | peterS | mhall: that's a good point too |
| 08:51.17 | mhall | peterS: once you sell me the right to connect a user or device, you sell me the right to connect whatever user or device i like |
| 08:51.22 | Erik2_ | mhall: When I install package with alien -i, the name of installed package will appear in dpkg -l ? |
| 08:51.24 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 08:51.26 | peterS | mhall: I hope everyone actually thinks that way. because I think those kinds of clickwrap terms are pretty obnoxious and I'd like to see them slapped down at some point |
| 08:51.26 | Dewi | bztunk : people who want to remotely use GUIs over a modem, do care |
| 08:51.32 | Dewi | bztunk : and those are the people interested in CALs |
| 08:51.40 | bob2 | Dewi: so use tinyx or tightvnc or whatever. |
| 08:51.49 | Dewi | bob2 : but they suck. compare them sometime. |
| 08:51.56 | mhall | Erik2_: alien tries to make the package act like it's native. it should show up in the status file, and therefore in -l |
| 08:52.21 | mhall | peterS: i think we will have to wait for a challenge to UCITA to come down the pipe |
| 08:52.22 | Dewi | bob2 : the only one that is what I'd consider usable on a 56kbps modem, is remote desktop |
| 08:52.40 | bztunk | Dewi: my point was that software licenses are stupid and can lead to problems, not that RDP |
| 08:52.40 | mhall | peterS: before UCITA, no law existed to enforce clickwrap |
| 08:52.50 | bztunk | is better than X or something |
| 08:52.52 | peterS | mhall: related obnoxiousness: you're not allowed to use VNC with Windows XP. because the XP license says you can only use *their* remote desktop service. |
| 08:53.01 | peterS | mhall: I would love for that to be slapped down, because I prefer VNC |
| 08:53.21 | Dewi | bztunk : my point is that software licenses led to a better product, RDP, being developed, which has capabilities that opensource has not fulfilled entirely |
| 08:53.35 | bztunk | Dewi: err, not. |
| 08:53.37 | peterS | mhall: that's the other thing. clickwrap for the past 25 years has been kind of an elaborate bluff on the part of the software industry |
| 08:53.41 | mhall | peterS: well you would think that they would have used the DMCA to stop distribution of VNC by now if they thought it would hold water |
| 08:53.59 | Shadur | peterS: Makes you wonder what's going to be in the next license. Being forbidden to network winduhs computers with anything but microsoft-approved networking equipment/servers? |
| 08:54.05 | bztunk | Dewi: maybe in that case RDP is better, but don't tell me that windows xp is a better product than debian |
| 08:54.05 | peterS | mhall: ah, but Windows 2000 and earlier do *not* have that restriction. so it's hard to argue that it's really illegal |
| 08:54.06 | *** join/#debian ouunpi (~egbert@atlantis.noc.amarin.net) |
| 08:54.13 | mhall | peterS: i sometimes think MS must know a certain amount of their licensing is bs |
| 08:54.21 | peterS | mhall: probably (: |
| 08:54.35 | Dewi | bztunk : for many uses, it is. debian still has the edge in some areas. |
| 08:54.46 | Erik2_ | jm_ mhall: I think replacing the commands work... :) |
| 08:54.49 | mhall | peterS: well windows 2000 and earlier did not have an integrated capability for microsoft to try and monopolize with, either |
| 08:55.10 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm10.omega173.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 08:55.19 | mhall | peterS: and oddly enough, wouldn't such a license restriction ban the use of Citrix products? |
| 08:55.22 | bztunk | Dewi: debian is better, for me, in a lot of areas. So you can't say that closed source software is better |
| 08:55.26 | peterS | mhall: my point being, you can't really force VNC off the market on the claim that its only purpose is to violate the XP license. because it also works perfectly well on say Windows 98. |
| 08:55.30 | mhall | peterS: and Citrix is an MS Partner. heh |
| 08:55.49 | jm_ | they bought all the rdesktop crap from citrix, it's not like they developped anything |
| 08:56.13 | rich_ | You cant really compare windows with unix like operateing systems because linux and unix are suitable for industrial applications which windows simply isnt |
| 08:56.17 | mhall | peterS: well that's the same thing with rdesktop, you could say it's purpose is not to just violate the MS license, but to establish compatibility for an unsupported platform |
| 08:56.21 | peterS | mhall: yes. citrix *server* software is probably illegal on Windows XP professional. |
| 08:56.28 | *** join/#debian ticallion2 (~ticallion@213.175.160.129) |
| 08:56.33 | mhall | peterS: so oddly enough, that argument is probably beneficial in a way |
| 08:56.46 | mhall | rich_: that's not an accurate statement |
| 08:56.51 | peterS | mhall: *client* software is not what the XP license talks about. i.e. you can run Exceed to use your remote Unix apps, etc. |
| 08:56.53 | *** join/#debian srik901 (srik@mithya.usc.edu) |
| 08:57.00 | rich_ | mhall And that is not a rebuttal. |
| 08:57.19 | *** join/#debian sone (~sone@208-42-61-221.dynamic-dsl.visi.com) |
| 08:57.22 | *** join/#debian protoloco (~segfault@dup-148-233-207-219.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 08:57.22 | mhall | rich_: Well, all I can speak from is my own experiences to the contrary. |
| 08:57.29 | Dewi | rich_ : if your industrial application involves remote control of GUIs, unix is not suitable |
| 08:57.32 | *** join/#debian r2d2 (~r2d2@HSE-MTL-ppp74620.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 08:57.37 | Dewi | rich_ : not at dialup speeds |
| 08:57.50 | mhall | rich_: I have personally had good luck with using enterprise versions of windows to accomplish enterprise-level tasks. |
| 08:57.52 | rich_ | Dewi Ive done it for fun, So I know its not that hard. |
| 08:57.57 | *** part/#debian r2d2 (~r2d2@HSE-MTL-ppp74620.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 08:58.12 | Dewi | rich_ : my point isn't that it's difficult to set up, but that it's difficult to get any work done when it's so slow |
| 08:58.43 | mhall | Dewi: i have run RDP on a 2x28.8 upload channel, worked pretty damn well |
| 08:58.54 | Dewi | mhall : yeah |
| 08:58.59 | Dewi | mhall : that's what I'm saying |
| 08:59.03 | Dewi | mhall : try that with vnc |
| 08:59.06 | Dewi | mhall : it's not pretty |
| 08:59.10 | jm_ | except you don't need GUI to control unix server ... |
| 08:59.18 | Dewi | mhall : X is surprisingly bad too |
| 08:59.21 | mhall | Dewi: yeah, i agree 100% |
| 08:59.26 | mhall | jm_: here is one for you |
| 08:59.41 | mhall | jm_: try running openoffice on a 200MB document over dialup |
| 08:59.50 | mhall | jm_: you can't copy down the document, edit it, and copy it back |
| 08:59.57 | bztunk | mhall: hum, you download it first? |
| 08:59.59 | mhall | jm_: a network drive mapping would crawl |
| 09:00.05 | Dewi | bztunk : 200mb? on a modem? |
| 09:00.07 | mhall | bztunk: too slow to download it |
| 09:00.10 | *** join/#debian Demagogue (~nothing@014-490-138.area3.spcsdns.net) |
| 09:00.24 | bztunk | or you ssh |
| 09:00.27 | bztunk | and you antiword-it |
| 09:00.39 | Dewi | bztunk : it has tables and images |
| 09:00.43 | mhall | one of the reasons RDP was made was to manipulate large datasets over slow connections |
| 09:00.55 | mhall | since the data never leaves the server, you avoid a real performance problem |
| 09:01.04 | jm_ | mhall: I don't care how good is it, I am just saying you don't even need it to administer remote unix server, unlike windows crap |
| 09:01.05 | mhall | that's a useful, legitimate purpose it fulfills |
| 09:01.16 | bztunk | Dewi: a document shouldn't be 200mb... |
| 09:01.22 | Dewi | bztunk : haha |
| 09:01.24 | bztunk | Dewi: you render it to html, whatever |
| 09:01.25 | mhall | jm_: well, I have an SSH daemon |
| 09:01.30 | Dewi | bztunk : we're tlaking about industrial applications |
| 09:01.34 | mhall | bztunk: what if you make textbooks for a publishing house |
| 09:01.37 | *** join/#debian asg (~asg@cpe-069-132-016-244.carolina.rr.com) |
| 09:01.41 | Dewi | bztunk : do you think no 200mb datasets exist in industrial applications? |
| 09:01.42 | Demagogue | Hey anyone know why my mod_perl is giving this Can't locate Apache/Request.pm in debian? |
| 09:01.47 | bztunk | mhall: you don't use openoffice or word lol! |
| 09:01.51 | mhall | bztunk: you can't whittle off the cases where linux is weak to prove it is stronger |
| 09:01.57 | bztunk | Dewi: you don't use word for that either |
| 09:02.03 | IanT0469 | anyone know of a buffer overflow in lftp? |
| 09:02.07 | bztunk | Dewi: you know, there's things called databases |
| 09:02.07 | cafuego | Dewi: No, they're much, much bigger. |
| 09:02.10 | *** join/#debian LU7DFV (torvalds@200-70-172-104.mrse.com.ar) |
| 09:02.14 | LU7DFV | Hello |
| 09:02.25 | Dewi | bztunk : yes, and many of these databases have a GUI as their only frontend |
| 09:02.33 | bztunk | Dewi: then it's stupid |
| 09:02.35 | jm_ | IanT0469: there has been a post about it on bugtraq so yes |
| 09:02.41 | mhall | bztunk: databases can be accessed OK remotely for little queries with ODBC |
| 09:02.49 | bztunk | Dewi: and/or it's going to be ok with a X connection |
| 09:02.54 | mhall | bztunk: but how about trying to do a 1GB query over dialup |
| 09:02.54 | peterS | bztunk: the proper solution to manipulating lots of data in a database is to let the database engine do the work, using stored procedures and such. the GUI frontend can be anywhere, and doesn't really use high bandwidth if you designed it right |
| 09:02.58 | Dewi | bztunk : X is slower than RDP. Considerably. |
| 09:02.59 | mhall | bztunk: that does not work |
| 09:03.04 | bztunk | Dewi: i know it is |
| 09:03.20 | jm_ | I'll try remote X over 256kbps one of these days, over lbxproxy or somesuch to see how it copes |
| 09:03.21 | Dewi | bztunk : so slow that it is not usable, in my experience. |
| 09:03.29 | Dewi | bztunk : (on dialup) |
| 09:03.30 | peterS | bztunk: sucking down all the data and manipulating it in the client is almost always slower, even if the client is local but especially if it's not. |
| 09:03.35 | bztunk | Dewi: anyways, you're talking about a 200mb document.. let me tell you, if i saw a 200mb word document, i'll kill myself |
| 09:03.35 | mhall | ~tell Demagogue about doesn't work |
| 09:03.39 | bztunk | Dewi: i know it is |
| 09:03.42 | *** join/#debian Eve1 (eve_@61-pool1.ras12.calan-e.alerondial.net) |
| 09:03.54 | bztunk | Dewi: i know that linux doesn't have a nice dialup solution |
| 09:04.00 | bztunk | Dewi: but that doesn't mean it's needed |
| 09:04.04 | Dewi | we are using RDP at my workplace. |
| 09:04.10 | Dewi | we have a legacy cobol system |
| 09:04.14 | Demagogue | mhall: well my mod_perl is giving this Can't locate Apache/Request.pm in debian and I can't seem to run any mod_perl stuff cause of that. |
| 09:04.14 | Dewi | that needs to be accessed from sydney |
| 09:04.19 | Dewi | I'm 1000 km away |
| 09:04.20 | *** part/#debian Eve1 (eve_@61-pool1.ras12.calan-e.alerondial.net) |
| 09:04.25 | Dewi | the dataset is many hundreds of mb |
| 09:04.32 | Dewi | RDP is by far the best solution |
| 09:04.44 | jm_ | we tried RDP here at work but somehow I fell it gives you some restricted application mode crap |
| 09:05.03 | rich_ | Ive used vnc and used x from a remote client and its not that bad. I was spoiled by unix at a very early age so I cant really compare it to windows. The only comparison I can draw is windows simply does not work. People who claim it does must be geniouses. |
| 09:05.07 | Dewi | jm_ : ? |
| 09:05.07 | peterS | Dewi: no, the best solution is to build the application in the database server, using stored procedures. where the database *client* is then doesn't matter much |
| 09:05.08 | cafuego | Dewi: You've never had an extensive software manual with a LOT of 1024x768 BMP screenshots in a word doc then eh? |
| 09:05.10 | *** join/#debian Coke (~peter@195.43.202.11) |
| 09:05.10 | rich_ | On dialup I mean |
| 09:05.26 | Dewi | peterS : this application was built 15 years ago |
| 09:05.26 | peterS | cafuego: sounds like a nightmare |
| 09:05.29 | simonrvn | cafuego: eeeew |
| 09:05.33 | jm_ | Dewi: don't ask me, all I know is that TS can operate in two modes, application mode and something else (which gives you full access to the box) |
| 09:05.38 | peterS | cafuego: last time I was doing that we used WordPerfect because Word sucked for stuff that big |
| 09:05.43 | Dewi | peterS : and belongs to an organisation that can't afford to rewrite it |
| 09:05.55 | peterS | cafuego: and the docs were split up into chapters and combined only when it was time to print the book |
| 09:05.57 | cafuego | peterS: That should read "last time I was doing that we used WordPerfect because Word sucked" |
| 09:06.06 | peterS | cafuego: heh, agreed |
| 09:06.07 | mhall | jm_: you are not right |
| 09:06.07 | bztunk | Dewi: maybe it is, but let me tell you, i wouldn't be happy working in a company where RDP is required |
| 09:06.07 | Dewi | jm_ : I can never remember which is which |
| 09:06.11 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm10.omega173.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 09:06.15 | Dewi | jm_ : it doesn't impact once it's set up right |
| 09:06.16 | mhall | jm_: TS can operate in three modes |
| 09:06.25 | bztunk | Dewi: but yeah, i agree, on your case, it *might* be the best solution |
| 09:06.39 | peterS | Dewi: well, legacy databases require workarounds, I guess. RDP probably isn't so suboptimal in your situation, after all |
| 09:06.48 | *** join/#debian LonelyOn1 (~LonelyOne@AMontsouris-108-1-22-95.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:06.58 | jm_ | mhall: I'd like to talk to someone who knows more about it once to figure out if app. mode is OK for us |
| 09:07.26 | mhall | jm_: Administrative (no CALs, two connections), App. Server (CALs, licensed number of connections), App. Server (Fewer Registry Restrictions, For Legacy Apps). |
| 09:07.42 | jm_ | mhall: yes administrative mode is what I was thinking of |
| 09:07.53 | mhall | jm_: You have to set Admin vs. App. Server when you install TS. The other registry policies can be set when TS is installed. |
| 09:08.06 | peterS | cafuego: well, wordperfect isn't 100% free of flakiness, but it was a *lot* nicer than Word for writing manuals in |
| 09:08.11 | mhall | jm_: You can get a free eval kit for Windows Server 2003 and request free eval CALs for it. |
| 09:08.14 | Dewi | well guys, this has been a very interesting conversation. |
| 09:08.22 | peterS | cafuego: I haven't kept up with Word - maybe newer versions suck less |
| 09:08.26 | mhall | jm_: so if you want to play with it, i suggest installing a fresh copy on a junk box |
| 09:08.30 | cafuego | peterS: No, they suck more. |
| 09:08.50 | mhall | cafuego: I wish BMP had never been invented. |
| 09:08.50 | peterS | cafuego: ok (: |
| 09:09.00 | cafuego | peterS: The only decent version of Word I've ever used was Word 5.1 for MacOS |
| 09:09.03 | *** join/#debian sloopy_ (~sloopy@pcp04332934pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 09:09.18 | *** join/#debian asher (~asher@webmail.cuckoo.org) |
| 09:09.25 | rich_ | I thought wordpad was more like what word should have been. |
| 09:09.33 | Dewi | rich_ : feature-sparse? |
| 09:09.48 | jm_ | mhall: let's say we want to install a w2k box where people could run office crap and IE - will app. mode work for that ? |
| 09:09.55 | Demagogue | can someone help me setup apache :( |
| 09:09.58 | peterS | cafuego: word for windows 2.0 seemed nice. of course, expectations for what a word processor should do and how much it should be able to handle were somewhat different back then |
| 09:09.59 | bztunk | rich_: i don't understand why wordpad can't even justify the text. stupid. |
| 09:10.02 | mhall | jm_: You bet. |
| 09:10.03 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh, and even then it still sucked. just sucked less |
| 09:10.09 | Dewi | Demagogue : what's wrong with apache? |
| 09:10.20 | Demagogue | Dewi, mod_perl isnt' working for me |
| 09:10.29 | cafuego | simonrvn: otoh, no version of word has ever sucked as hard as version 6 for mac |
| 09:10.29 | Demagogue | Dewi, i keep getting Can't locate Apache/Request.pm errors |
| 09:10.30 | mhall | jm_: I have my box set up in app. mode. I tell RRAS to stealth all ports by default and just map 3389/TCP so people can connect. |
| 09:10.48 | simonrvn | cafuego: fuck, yeh. *shudder* |
| 09:10.50 | rich_ | Dewi I do not know. Apparently they dont release the code so theres no way I could posibly know why word sucks so bad. |
| 09:10.55 | mhall | jm_: Sometimes my friends log on to my box if they need to. And you can use FIPS-compliant AES encryption if you want. |
| 09:11.03 | rich_ | Unless of course I was a genious :) |
| 09:11.07 | jm_ | mhall: so we basically install w2k TS and then install all the apps and then switch it to app. mode and it works OK ? |
| 09:11.36 | mhall | jm_: Install TS in app. mode first before you install apps. Then you are good to go. |
| 09:11.53 | mhall | jm_: The registry is protected by default so users cannot run roughshod over each other. |
| 09:12.11 | mhall | jm_: As long as you use modern 2K / XP apps you will be just fine. |
| 09:12.24 | jm_ | mhall: can't one switch between app/admin mode on the fly ? |
| 09:12.24 | *** join/#debian TiMOiD (~tim@timoid.lnk.getonit.net) |
| 09:12.25 | mhall | jm_: Office and IE are both modern and work just great. |
| 09:12.26 | Dewi | I haven't yet seen an app that didn't work |
| 09:12.31 | Dewi | Apart from powerdvd which is by design |
| 09:12.42 | jm_ | trust me, we are using citrix right now and it's a PITA |
| 09:12.47 | bytewalker | WOA< karamba is fcking cool |
| 09:12.52 | peterS | mhall: it took a long time for Windows apps to get to the point where they no longer made assumptions about being on single-user systems, didn't it? |
| 09:12.54 | mhall | jm_: You can switch back to admin mode pretty simply, but there's no reason to do that. |
| 09:13.05 | Dewi | peterS : it still hasn't happened |
| 09:13.06 | rich_ | Things dont work by design? Oh right.... tinylimp... |
| 09:13.07 | mhall | jm_: admins can still log in when you are in app mode |
| 09:13.17 | jm_ | mhall: ok thanks, I guess we'll look into it, this box now runs nt+citrix so it's basically unusable |
| 09:13.25 | peterS | mhall: I always figured that was the big problem with Citrix / TS. not the software, so much, as the fact that apps would not be expecting that sort of thing |
| 09:13.32 | mhall | peterS: There is a PERFECT example of where windows is inferior. |
| 09:13.44 | mhall | peterS: But the problem is now basically gone. |
| 09:13.52 | *** join/#debian oskie (usel@as2-1-6.lh.m.bonet.se) |
| 09:14.17 | mhall | peterS: 2003 instituted some improvements to registry access control and some sophisticated workarounds for old apps. I have yet to find an app that caused any curfuffles. |
| 09:14.34 | bztunk | mhall: some are still dump, especialy about where to put links in the start me |
| 09:14.51 | oskie | anyone else have IDE problems with 2.4.23? as I started my computer today I got 'DMA disabled' and 'lost interrupt' errors with the new 2.4.23 kernel. 2.4.22 was ok though. |
| 09:14.52 | bztunk | mhall: some installers will only install links for the administrator |
| 09:15.10 | *** join/#debian Unix (~maromania@Arashi.FF.st) |
| 09:15.26 | mhall | peterS: I just have to think about my disk ACLs and quota levels I set on the TS> |
| 09:15.41 | mhall | peterS: I have 300G of storage and few clients, so I set 10G quotas. |
| 09:16.06 | mhall | bztunk: I get used to copying and pasting them around once in a while. |
| 09:16.11 | mhall | bztunk: not too big of a deal |
| 09:16.52 | bztunk | mhall: yeah it's not difficult, but still anoying. one of the reasons why i'll never admin a bunch of windows boxes |
| 09:16.59 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 09:17.01 | calamari_ | hi |
| 09:17.07 | *** join/#debian cromd (~guest@dsl-1.71.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) |
| 09:17.16 | peterS | bztunk: heh - did you forget? our main thread of convo here is TS. the idea being, not to *have* to admin a "bunch" of boxes anymore (: |
| 09:17.37 | mhall | bztunk: Now you know why I appreciate TS so damn much. |
| 09:17.48 | bztunk | peterS: yeah, true :D |
| 09:17.55 | mhall | bztunk: Less crashing, no virii or worms, one drive to defrag, etc, etc, etc... |
| 09:18.19 | calamari_ | how can I mount /dev/hda3 (a vfat partition), so that all users can access it? |
| 09:18.20 | SlayerXP | mhall: the english plural of virus is viruses. |
| 09:18.37 | bztunk | SlayerXP: i care. i really do. |
| 09:18.37 | mhall | bztunk: Not to mention the TCO is a lot lower and you get built-in, encrypted, secure, remote access for free. |
| 09:18.44 | calamari_ | s/access/write to it |
| 09:18.52 | bztunk | mhall: for unlimited clients? :D |
| 09:18.57 | peterS | mhall: "for free" meaning "for the cost of a CAL" |
| 09:18.58 | *** join/#debian pauling (~paul@210.22.147.10) |
| 09:19.11 | mhall | peterS: I should have clarified that. |
| 09:19.17 | *** part/#debian TiMOiD (~tim@timoid.lnk.getonit.net) |
| 09:19.28 | peterS | mhall: "...a CAL for each machine you might ever want to use for remote access" |
| 09:19.38 | mhall | peterS: no |
| 09:19.46 | mhall | peterS: Use per-user licenses. |
| 09:19.52 | peterS | mhall: that's another obnoxious point of Microsoft CALs. they stick to the client. so even if you decommission a client you can't recycle its CAL. |
| 09:19.54 | mhall | peterS: One license per person |
| 09:20.09 | mhall | peterS: CALs are now recyclable, I read. |
| 09:20.12 | peterS | mhall: I thought they were per-computer. |
| 09:20.19 | *** join/#debian ms (ms@pD9ECBDF6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:20.27 | mhall | peterS: you can pick per-user mode or per-device mode |
| 09:20.44 | mhall | peterS: per-user sticks to the TS account name |
| 09:20.44 | peterS | mhall: maybe there was an IT revolt, storming the gates of Redmond, and MS was forced to change their CAL terms |
| 09:20.57 | mhall | peterS: so you get it back when you shitcan old user accounts |
| 09:21.04 | rich_ | goodness gracious, you sure have to cut through a lot of red tape if your determined to use crap. |
| 09:21.07 | peterS | mhall: good to hear that, I guess. |
| 09:21.13 | mhall | peterS: occasionally IT does revolt when MS does bad things |
| 09:21.25 | mhall | peterS: somebody has to keep them in line |
| 09:21.34 | peterS | mhall: it's still not *concurrent* licenses, like a lot of expensive software out there, though |
| 09:21.38 | mhall | and the Bush administration decided not to bother |
| 09:21.49 | *** join/#debian armooo (~armooo@armooo.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 09:22.13 | mhall | peterS: well, if you don't need graphics access you can always use the VPN for 100,000 connections per windows server box |
| 09:22.23 | mhall | peterS: and the vpn supports pptp or ipsec |
| 09:22.41 | peterS | mhall: although I guess if you have an 8-to-5 work force and they're all at their computers at the same time, a per-user CAL is similar to a concurrent-users-based license anyway |
| 09:22.55 | *** join/#debian tvi (1000@195.113.198.99) |
| 09:23.09 | mhall | peterS: the per-user ones come in handy when users travel |
| 09:23.30 | simonrvn | not even the user name to uid works on that machine... ffs fix it |
| 09:23.44 | peterS | mhall: if you have a factory that runs 24 hours a day in 3 shifts, a per-user CAL policy is three times as expensive as a concurrent-user CAL policy. but that's probably not a common case |
| 09:24.05 | simonrvn | tvi: you have a broken nsswitch.conf methinks |
| 09:24.05 | mhall | peterS: well that would be the time to use per-device mode |
| 09:24.16 | mhall | peterS: then the user logs off at the end of the shift |
| 09:24.18 | cafuego | peterS: not many people need a pc on a conveyor belt shift |
| 09:24.32 | mhall | peterS: and the new user logs on at the same workstations |
| 09:24.47 | mhall | peterS: and then it's no more extra fees |
| 09:24.49 | peterS | mhall: yeah but then you're back to the per-device thing where you can't ever recycle them when you change hardware |
| 09:25.05 | mhall | peterS: there is a way for the device ones to recycle now too |
| 09:25.09 | simonrvn | basically it sucks, whatever you do :) |
| 09:25.13 | peterS | mhall: ah, that's good |
| 09:25.16 | mhall | i think they get returned after a certain amount of time |
| 09:25.18 | *** join/#debian anmar (~anmar@d207-6-222-111.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 09:25.29 | mhall | peterS: it's just that the per-user ones are easier to recycle |
| 09:25.48 | peterS | mhall: sure. and handier if you have people with laptops and you don't want to buy CALs for each laptop |
| 09:25.50 | anmar | hello all. need some aid in bugzilla on testing please |
| 09:25.55 | *** join/#debian Unix (~maromania@Arashi.FF.st) |
| 09:26.05 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 09:26.09 | cromd | greetings all, i'm interested in putting together an "office" computer for someone, basic things like word processing, spreadsheets, email, printing, web browsing and the like, does anybody know of a document out there that goes through the pros and cons of the various Debian "office" packages? |
| 09:26.15 | *** join/#debian Dibbler_ (~Dibbler@moby.zetnet.co.uk) |
| 09:26.18 | simonrvn | bugger sent it to /msg |
| 09:26.34 | bztunk | simonrvn: haha |
| 09:26.48 | simonrvn | @lart bztunk for being a dumbass |
| 09:26.54 | peterS | @lart itself |
| 09:27.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:27.02 | peterS | oy vey |
| 09:27.10 | anmar | checksetup.perl messed things up for me and I am not sure how to fix it. |
| 09:27.14 | *** join/#debian themolester (~me@117-38.9-67.se.rr.com) |
| 09:27.24 | peterS | that ... didn't feel good |
| 09:27.36 | anmar | I get the can't locate /var/lib/bugzilla/data/prams error |
| 09:27.46 | bztunk | cromd: i don't know if they are documents, but you should try them yourself :D |
| 09:27.47 | simonrvn | i bet. ouch |
| 09:27.59 | cafuego | !cricket peterS |
| 09:28.07 | bztunk | !botsnack |
| 09:28.08 | dpkg | thanks, bztunk |
| 09:28.13 | peterS | cafuego: heh, at least dpkg got a 6 out of me |
| 09:28.29 | cromd | bztunk, would be a great idea, but i'd need to employ someone who knows what people require of such packages ... i'm just an hacker, don't know anything about running an office |
| 09:28.30 | cafuego | peterS: Well duh, he's programmed to ;-) |
| 09:28.38 | peterS | cafuego: some of the ... heavier ... members of this channel, I doubt it could get more than a 4 |
| 09:28.43 | Dewi | cromd : the packages I hear about most often are OpenOffice, StarOffice and AbiWord as far as word processing goes |
| 09:28.52 | cafuego | peterS: rahul only got a single run |
| 09:28.56 | *** join/#debian G_Apeiron (~Grand@pD9502ACA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:28.57 | peterS | heh |
| 09:28.59 | Dewi | cromd : but I have no experience with them and don't know of any balanced reviews |
| 09:29.00 | mhall | f0ck |
| 09:29.05 | mhall | channel violence this evening |
| 09:29.09 | mhall | f0ck f0ck f0ck |
| 09:29.13 | cafuego | must have a big head ;-) |
| 09:29.16 | cromd | thanks for the advice Dewi, i'll give them a look |
| 09:29.27 | tessier_ | Why do I have a /etc/wlan/wlan.conf and a /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf? |
| 09:29.28 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 09:29.34 | mhall | Dewi: KWord has been gaining popularity too |
| 09:29.35 | anmar | Bugzilla gurus in here |
| 09:29.37 | Dewi | cromd : there might be a wordperfect around for unix too; I have no idea |
| 09:29.39 | mhall | Dewi: and LyX |
| 09:29.40 | rich_ | cromd lyx is a nice word processor. |
| 09:29.42 | cafuego | Have you been eating weird tablets again, mhall? |
| 09:29.42 | simonrvn | @+ask |
| 09:29.43 | *** join/#debian jet_ (~jet@daisy.shortcircuit.net.au) |
| 09:29.43 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission on #debian. Thanks! |
| 09:29.43 | bztunk | cromd: personnaly, i would run gnome/openoffice/mozilla, but that's just me. That's what "corporate" linux is coming to afaik |
| 09:29.57 | bztunk | ravenbird: spam! |
| 09:29.57 | ravenbird | i guess spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) and razor. |
| 09:29.58 | Dewi | mhall : I wonder if KDE has fixed their keyboard routines so they work over high-latency links |
| 09:30.08 | jet_ | What ALSA driver does a Silicon Integrated Sound card use ? Onboard, SiS... ? |
| 09:30.19 | Dewi | mhall : for a long time KDE actually dropped keypresses if the X client and server were too distant |
| 09:30.20 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:30.22 | cromd | thanks again Dewi, and rich_ |
| 09:30.30 | mhall | cafuego: Well, I did have some snack cakes a while ago. I think they were labeled "water-soluble sanitary tablets..." |
| 09:30.31 | anmar | jet_: i think it is the i80 one |
| 09:30.34 | mhall | cafuego: ;) |
| 09:30.37 | jet_ | anmar: thank you |
| 09:30.41 | rich_ | cromd No problem |
| 09:30.43 | anmar | jet_: you are welcome |
| 09:30.50 | mhall | Dewi: hehe i hope they did but i do not know |
| 09:30.51 | cafuego | Deliciously lavender flavoured? |
| 09:30.59 | mhall | Dewi: #KDE is very egotistical |
| 09:31.00 | cromd | bztunk that sounds great, didn't realise any kind of "common ground" was being established ... say, does that imply no "K" stuff? |
| 09:31.07 | *** join/#debian snoke_ (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 09:31.11 | jet_ | anmar: intel8x0 ? |
| 09:31.20 | anmar | jet_: i believe so :) |
| 09:31.24 | jet_ | thank you :) |
| 09:31.42 | anmar | jet_: good luck |
| 09:31.44 | peterS | jet_: yeah, snd-intel8x0 |
| 09:31.45 | *** join/#debian veleno (~ervalerio@62-101-126-233.fastres.net) |
| 09:31.47 | mhall | cafuego: mine were cleaner-flavored |
| 09:31.53 | bztunk | cromd: well, i know suse and mandrake are big KDE supporters, but that's about it. It may change, but for know, gnome is where it is at. i think. |
| 09:32.12 | anmar | ok then.. i guess there are no bugzilla gurus in here. bye bye. |
| 09:32.24 | simonrvn | @tell anmar about ask |
| 09:32.37 | rich_ | Desktops like gnome and kde are unneccesary. Fvwm is simpler and looks cleanre |
| 09:32.37 | cromd | bztunk: i always preferred the gnome stuff myself, KDE seems a little excessive at times |
| 09:32.44 | simonrvn | @tell anmar about guru |
| 09:33.19 | bztunk | cromd: and anyways, there's no real competition to openoffice (even if i prefer abiword myself), so if you use KDE, you're going to need gtk/gnome librairies someday |
| 09:33.37 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm10.omega173.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 09:33.48 | cromd | rich, are you serious? I'd heard it was too sparse for office use ... you reckon Fvwm could do the job? |
| 09:33.50 | bztunk | rich_: i use ion personnaly, but we are talking "corporate" now :D |
| 09:33.52 | *** join/#debian Lathiat (lathiat@130.95.13.26) |
| 09:34.01 | peterS | bztunk: no competition? depends on what you need. abiword and gnumeric are pretty decent |
| 09:34.07 | Lathiat | Hi guys when I start X my keyboard stops working, running unstable its an s3 video card.. got any ideas as to possibly why? |
| 09:34.23 | guk | OpenOffice is big ... it's not too bad ... but big |
| 09:34.29 | Lathiat | xf4, s3virge driver -- tried vesa too same deal |
| 09:34.29 | *** join/#debian __DL__ (moi@ca-bordeaux-8-22.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:34.38 | bztunk | peterS: they are for me :D |
| 09:34.39 | *** part/#debian vanguard (~Systemlor@izn-ts02-28.izn.niedersachsen.de) |
| 09:35.08 | jet_ | is it a good idea to install the nvidia-kernel-binary with this nVidia Geforce card ? |
| 09:35.13 | cromd | guk, what kind of hardware would you need to comfortably drive openoffice? |
| 09:35.23 | *** join/#debian LonelyOn1 (~LonelyOne@AMontsouris-108-1-18-143.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:35.27 | bztunk | peterS: what i mean is that, when i hear about corporate desktops and stuff, it's always openoffice. |
| 09:35.51 | *** join/#debian debian (~mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk) |
| 09:35.53 | bztunk | !fart |
| 09:35.53 | peterS | bztunk: does openoffice use the gnome libraries? I thought it was a gnome project only in name. |
| 09:35.59 | cromd | but corporate scenarios tend for overkill anyway, don't they? |
| 09:36.11 | bztunk | peterS: not sure |
| 09:36.11 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (~streuner@p50836A79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:36.19 | rich_ | cromd Oh yes. And Id add dfm for the file manager. I realise that it needs a little configuration to do it that way but in the long run something like fvwm results in a smoother learning curve and less distraction. Much of windows was designed to distract the user from the fact that the computer does not work. In my opinion those big desktops like gnome or kde copy that cluttered feeling. |
| 09:36.22 | *** join/#debian erg (erg@IARC1.ece.utexas.edu) |
| 09:36.29 | holycow | *boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom* |
| 09:36.33 | holycow | oopsie! |
| 09:36.33 | peterS | bztunk: I believe the intent is to port it to GTK+ and so forth, but I don't believe that has happened yet. |
| 09:36.35 | bztunk | bob2: but ximian did some integration |
| 09:36.36 | holycow | sorry about that folx |
| 09:36.50 | holycow | y'all look kinda nice and roasty tho! :) |
| 09:37.00 | guk | cromd: Im running it on a 166MMX |
| 09:37.11 | guk | cromd: it's "slow" but not ...only a poor load time |
| 09:37.18 | peterS | holycow: I just about froze solid earlier tonight, so that felt pretty nice actually |
| 09:37.24 | Lathiat | cfigner montaro |
| 09:37.27 | holycow | 'welcome :D |
| 09:37.28 | Lathiat | gah |
| 09:37.31 | *** part/#debian anmar (~anmar@d207-6-222-111.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 09:37.32 | Lathiat | no screen session hate that |
| 09:37.38 | cromd | rich_: i like the approach, sounds pretty sane to me, i'm only interested in getting the jobs done, not pretty stuff |
| 09:37.43 | bztunk | haha |
| 09:37.46 | *** join/#debian chris2 (~chris@p50914816.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:37.54 | *** join/#debian david_ (~lsk@203-167-191-181.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 09:38.01 | holycow | pretty fukin cold out there aint it? i'm on the west coast and its supposed to be fukin raining and +10 right now |
| 09:38.03 | bztunk | the openoffice.org depends are so huge |
| 09:38.06 | holycow | not -10 *grrrrrr* |
| 09:38.13 | erg | i just apt-get install postgresql and it did not upgrade postgresql-dev. my program had library errors until i did upgrade the -dev. this is probably bad but not necessarily. anyone? |
| 09:38.19 | rich_ | cromd One tip for dfm, use the dnotify command to refresh it. I dont know why it isnt built in |
| 09:38.26 | peterS | holycow: it's like 15F around here, I think. -10C. and windy |
| 09:38.37 | holycow | :/ i hear ya brotha |
| 09:38.42 | peterS | holycow: some people consider that fine weather, but to me that's cold |
| 09:38.59 | guk | Temperature: 5 F (-15 C) |
| 09:38.59 | guk | Windchill: -13 F (-25 C) |
| 09:39.02 | guk | pussies |
| 09:39.07 | guk | northern ontario winter here |
| 09:39.08 | guk | :D |
| 09:39.09 | cromd | thanks for tip rich_, although i've still got to buy the box, just doing research at this stage |
| 09:39.17 | holycow | peter, anything below 20c i consider cold |
| 09:39.18 | simonrvn | looks like OOo has only x11 libs linked into it |
| 09:39.19 | holycow | :) |
| 09:39.20 | Piru | -15 .. haha |
| 09:39.56 | *** join/#debian tarzeau (~tarzeau@80-219-76-16.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 09:39.58 | bztunk | simonrvn: yeah, just saw that |
| 09:40.10 | peterS | holycow: hehe. I'm fine down to around 5C or so. then I start to take measures like putting on gloves |
| 09:40.10 | bztunk | simonrvn: no gtk.. |
| 09:40.18 | simonrvn | nope |
| 09:40.27 | Piru | guk, lets take -30 C, then we're talking :) |
| 09:40.54 | *** join/#debian Shorty- (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 09:40.54 | *** join/#debian Dewi (~dewi@dsl-203-113-211-66.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 09:42.13 | rich_ | cromd your welcome. I think its important now that so many civil service people are movieng to debian that we break them of their bad windows habit from the start. Dont try to copy windows it will only hurt the users in the long run |
| 09:42.20 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (~nkuttler@pfcip-24.phil.uni-sb.de) |
| 09:42.37 | simonrvn | guk: i miss that kind of temp. down here in mtl. we don't get deep cold much anymore :(. might move to NWT just to get some cold.. hehe |
| 09:42.47 | *** join/#debian paul___ (~paul@adsl-239-121.as15758.net) |
| 09:43.13 | guk | -24 wind is close |
| 09:43.13 | guk | brb |
| 09:43.32 | cromd | i like your style rich_ ... are you using debian in the office yourself? |
| 09:43.36 | mhall | cafuego: i have a funny link i will send you in a couple minutes |
| 09:43.59 | holycow | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714&PHPSESSID=c4d5542fbbdc7357f52326187b8a7519 <-- this is clever, a theme to make gtk apps us qt themes |
| 09:44.20 | holycow | *flame on* now we can make all those fugly gnome apps look gawdy again! *flame off* |
| 09:44.30 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 09:44.54 | Piru | last winter I lived a bit up norther here in finland, we had -34C (-29.2F) for several days. that was quite chilly already for my taste, too ;) |
| 09:45.07 | mhall | cafuego: http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/1997-10-13/index.html |
| 09:45.17 | rich_ | cromd No, Iv always used it at home but I did a little work for the state of oregon a few years ago and met my wife who worked for them for 30 years. So I know a little about civil service office workers. What they know abourt windows is very small and can be forgotten easily. |
| 09:45.19 | holycow | piru i lived near the arctic circle for a while i saw -45 once |
| 09:45.28 | holycow | they say its all the same afte 40 |
| 09:45.30 | mhall | cafuego: eerily relevant to our earlier conversation |
| 09:45.33 | SlayerXP | holycow: what did it look like? |
| 09:45.33 | Piru | holycow, cool :) |
| 09:45.36 | holycow | but thats only true because usually your dead |
| 09:45.38 | holycow | hahaha :) |
| 09:45.39 | *** join/#debian tasio (~tasio@minibar.v6.tasio.net) |
| 09:45.48 | holycow | slayer, very white :) heh |
| 09:46.04 | mhall | holycow: i had a physics prof. who lived on antarctica for a while |
| 09:46.16 | Piru | I walked some 8 km per day in that -34, too. that was fun ;) |
| 09:46.17 | Lathiat | nice temperatures here http://www.sixlabs.org/stats/mrtg/perth_temp.html :) |
| 09:46.28 | mhall | holycow: he apparently went outside naked with a bunch of other people one day to take a photo |
| 09:46.32 | holycow | note: arctic circle is not actic pole its quite a bit south heh :) |
| 09:46.33 | mhall | holycow: how crazy |
| 09:46.38 | holycow | ah yeah freaks |
| 09:46.45 | mhall | holycow: oh yet, and they drank lots and lots of beer |
| 09:47.00 | holycow | bet there 'wasnt much to see' hehe :) |
| 09:47.02 | cromd | rich_, from what i see around the place here in oz, the state of Oregon are pretty representative :) |
| 09:47.11 | mhall | holycow: one time they were communicating via radio with another base that was near argentina, to check up on each other |
| 09:47.34 | mhall | holycow: they found out the base near argentina had run out of beer in the dead of winter |
| 09:47.40 | mhall | holycow: and nobody could fly them more |
| 09:47.46 | zu22 | mhall: but was there any hot young female physicists there? ;) |
| 09:47.50 | mhall | holycow: they had to go most of a winter with no beer |
| 09:47.56 | holycow | hehe ya? my old bosses spent a winter in antarctica at the canadian polar epedition thingy or some such , i'd love to just step foot on it :) |
| 09:48.06 | Piru | http://www.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/LZ051111.jpg <- quite up north |
| 09:48.11 | holycow | ah no way? hahaha that sux :) |
| 09:48.27 | holycow | piru, yep thats pretty much what it looked like :) |
| 09:48.28 | *** join/#debian grubby (~tompfr@ool-43572f19.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:48.31 | mhall | holycow: he said at the end of winter that the argentinians flew a "great humanitarian mission" and brought down an entire turboprop plane of beer |
| 09:48.46 | mhall | holycow: the base didn't run out of beer any more after that :D |
| 09:48.58 | holycow | also in the 'summer' the mosquitos were the sizes of small prop planes |
| 09:49.00 | holycow | and mean |
| 09:49.00 | holycow | very mean |
| 09:49.13 | zu22 | mhall: physicists should be able to make their own beer |
| 09:49.17 | holycow | hehehe mhall |
| 09:49.21 | *** join/#debian PlaYmo (spammehere@x1-6-00-00-1c-d9-7c-28.k151.webspeed.dk) |
| 09:49.24 | rich_ | cromd One thing you might want to watch out for is security concerning servers that already use unix. At the state of oregon the servers all used unix and the secretaries used windows. Id be afraid if one of the secretaries had unix theyd be more likely to try and root the servers. |
| 09:49.26 | *** join/#debian mba (~root@catv-d5deacbf.bp11catv.broadband.hu) |
| 09:49.28 | mhall | zu22: haha only if they have supplies |
| 09:49.37 | mhall | zu22: you can't make beer with just snow and ice |
| 09:49.57 | *** join/#debian xerophyte (~xerophyte@CPE00055dec2e49-CM014110208043.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 09:50.03 | *** join/#debian Supaplex (~supaplex@c-67-172-235-225.client.comcast.net) |
| 09:50.05 | zu22 | mhall: ya true (: |
| 09:50.13 | mhall | zu22: he did not mention whether the base was chock full of hot female physicists |
| 09:50.21 | xerophyte | does anybody know good web-based BIND zone file configuration tool, which allow client to modify thier zone file |
| 09:50.32 | mhall | zu22: he ended up with one hell of a hot english prof. for a wife though, so he did OK |
| 09:50.41 | bztunk | xerophyte: wtf? |
| 09:50.42 | zu22 | mhall: woot! |
| 09:50.51 | Lathiat | xerophyte: webmin baby :) |
| 09:50.52 | mhall | zu22: he also usually wins the physics department beer contests |
| 09:51.04 | zu22 | on tuesday they gonna have high color panoramic shots of Mars |
| 09:51.06 | cromd | rich_, are you suggesting mischieveousness or incompetance? |
| 09:51.07 | xerophyte | Lathiat i tried webmin to does not do much good |
| 09:51.15 | Lathiat | xerophyte: whats wrong with it? |
| 09:51.15 | zu22 | mhall: heh |
| 09:51.17 | mhall | zu22: one time he took home an entire trophy made from cheesy generic trophy parts and beer cans |
| 09:51.19 | Lathiat | xerophyte: works fine for me |
| 09:51.26 | rich_ | cromd mischieveousness |
| 09:51.28 | mhall | zu22: his wife banished the beer contest trophy to his office |
| 09:51.45 | zu22 | mhall: he sure sounds like a character |
| 09:51.51 | mhall | zu22: so now, on top of a filing cabinet in his office, sits a trophy from a department beerdrinking contest |
| 09:51.54 | cromd | flipping heck rich_, when will people realise we're all in this together?! stupid question, i know |
| 09:52.02 | mhall | zu22: yeah, he is a pretty awesome professor |
| 09:52.02 | Supaplex | is libssl0.9.7 causing anyone else's apache-ssl to segfault? I'm assuming I should just drop that back to 0.9.6 |
| 09:52.16 | simonrvn | xerophyte: webmin sux |
| 09:52.26 | *** join/#debian Vegeeta (~mtan@smartgigs.com) |
| 09:52.32 | hramrach | Hell |
| 09:52.34 | hramrach | o |
| 09:52.39 | bztunk | haha |
| 09:52.39 | Supaplex | o |
| 09:52.41 | Supaplex | Hell |
| 09:52.41 | bztunk | hell |
| 09:52.46 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:53.02 | simonrvn | Supaplex: upgrade it |
| 09:53.24 | Supaplex | I just did, but both seem to be installed. |
| 09:53.41 | Supaplex | should they conflict? libssl0.9.6 and .7 ? |
| 09:53.43 | hramrach | How does one use update-grub? |
| 09:54.02 | bztunk | oskie: because there's gimp1.2 and 1.3? |
| 09:54.07 | mhall | oskie: erm, there is a new gimp release |
| 09:54.13 | *** join/#debian lftl (~spanky@adsl-17-131-18.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 09:54.30 | oskie | bztunk: why not install alternatives... some programs (possibly incorrectly) depend on 'gimp' being available |
| 09:54.43 | hramrach | It does not change menu.lst |
| 09:54.54 | rich_ | cromd Depending on your office, security can be very important or not too important, but the office workers for the state of oregon are really really unfortunate people. Many are drug addicts, etc. I actually had to worry about being poisoned by the other people who worked there. So if its for a nice private office thats fine but if your talking about civil service, you probably need to hire consultants from the prison industry :) |
| 09:54.59 | bztunk | oskie: donno, but gimp1.2 and gimp1.3 should provide 'gimp' afaik |
| 09:55.12 | *** join/#debian themolester (~me@117-38.9-67.se.rr.com) |
| 09:55.13 | oskie | bztunk: they don't here.. oh well |
| 09:55.20 | bztunk | oskie: in sid? |
| 09:55.23 | mhall | oskie: file a low-level bug |
| 09:55.26 | zu22 | rich_: haha |
| 09:55.36 | oskie | bztunk: yep, gimp1.3 1.3.23-2 |
| 09:55.39 | *** join/#debian skermajo (~skermajo@203-206-49-149.dial.froggy.com.au) |
| 09:55.48 | oskie | mhall: ok |
| 09:56.20 | oskie | great. reportbug fails with some python error |
| 09:56.28 | skermajo | if alsa is compiled into my kernel what device in /dev is it likely to be ? |
| 09:56.44 | hramrach | I can edit menu.lst manually but what is update-grub good for then? |
| 09:56.56 | *** join/#debian msiebuhr (~msiebuhr@130.225.236.185) |
| 09:57.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 625] by debhelper |
| 09:57.06 | mhall | oskie: you know, i wonder how few bugs are reported in reportbug |
| 09:57.17 | mhall | oskie: since it's a tad hard to report one without it |
| 09:57.19 | mhall | oskie: heh |
| 09:57.22 | cromd | rich_, makes you wonder if we're targetting the right goals, doesn't it? |
| 09:57.24 | oskie | mhall: hehe |
| 09:57.25 | bztunk | oskie: true, they don't... heh, donno how it's maintained :D |
| 09:57.43 | oskie | ok, upgrading python2.3 helped |
| 09:58.07 | bztunk | oskie: you only upgrade selected packages? |
| 09:58.17 | oskie | bztunk: no, but they were held back for some reason |
| 09:58.21 | *** join/#debian Ian (Ian@dialup-171.75.114.168.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 09:58.24 | bztunk | oskie: oh ok :D |
| 09:58.27 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 09:59.18 | rich_ | cromd Well I was just there because it was a temp job. And I hung on to the job because it was my first clerical job. But your right, when your talking about civil service, instead of "user" you should think "criminal" and hence I believe that restricted shells will be neccessary to reach that market. |
| 09:59.28 | bztunk | hum |
| 09:59.35 | bztunk | Mon Jan 5 04:59:34 EST 2004 |
| 09:59.45 | bztunk | i should sleep :( |
| 10:00.06 | mhall | bztunk: haha |
| 10:00.16 | mhall | bztunk: no wonder you have been saying so much strange stuff |
| 10:00.19 | *** join/#debian bitflesh (~bitflesh@ppp-217-133-216-79.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 10:00.24 | bztunk | mhall: hahaha lol |
| 10:00.38 | bztunk | the sun is going to rise |
| 10:00.52 | *** join/#debian dloer (~killerbyt@dsl-082-082-064-121.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:00.55 | oskie | go to sleep before it does :) |
| 10:01.06 | bztunk | good idea :D |
| 10:01.34 | cromd | rich_, it's an entirely different ball-game isn't it? I've been toying with the idea of setting up some kind of free internet cafe at a local community center but you're beginning to give me different feelings about it |
| 10:01.40 | Piru | damn earth, it's round |
| 10:02.23 | *** part/#debian msiebuhr (~msiebuhr@130.225.236.185) |
| 10:02.27 | rich_ | cromd Well those internet cafes work. There is such a thing as security you just need to have a security consultant |
| 10:03.53 | cromd | rich_: pretty hard on a shoestring budget though, although i might be able to tug on the heartstrings of a few professionals |
| 10:04.55 | oskie | security consultant? you mean for physical security or what? |
| 10:05.49 | *** join/#debian themp (~apw@65.102.165.172) |
| 10:06.36 | SlayerXP | I have spent more time than I care to think about telling people that security is not some magic fairy dust you can sprinkle on any netowkr |
| 10:06.38 | SlayerXP | network |
| 10:06.42 | mhall | oskie: well one quick fix is allowing only ports 53, 21, 80, and 443. |
| 10:06.57 | mhall | oskie: TCP for all but the first of course |
| 10:07.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 619] by debhelper |
| 10:07.04 | rich_ | oskie I dont know what I mean. If I knew what the security consultant did, then Id be one :) I just mean that the security issues are far beyond what a non professional like myself should attempt |
| 10:07.11 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 10:07.37 | Steven_ | mhall : how about ftp data ports ? |
| 10:07.44 | oskie | rich_: why do you think security issues are far beyound what you'd attempt? |
| 10:08.03 | mhall | Steven_: NAT autofw can take care of those or you can use passive mode |
| 10:08.27 | cromd | are you into IT security oskie? |
| 10:08.58 | rich_ | oskie because whenever I mess with it I find out later I left holes. Thats one reason I like debian so much because it installs and configures itself somewhat securely by default, but thats just for my personal use. Its not in an industrial environment. |
| 10:08.59 | oskie | cromd: isn't every experienced administrator / developer? |
| 10:09.24 | Steven_ | mhall : oh, those ports are for incoming connections ? |
| 10:09.51 | mhall | Steven_: hmm? no, for valid destination ports on the other end |
| 10:09.52 | cromd | difficult to tell from my inexperience oskie, it's just like a trick question to me. What would you say, oskie? |
| 10:10.05 | Lathiat | rich_: youd need to customize it ofc |
| 10:10.17 | mhall | steven but autofw will automatically create the data ports for FTP if you have the FTP module for NAT enabled and autofw enabled |
| 10:10.25 | *** join/#debian farnis (~farnis@host196-55.pool80183.interbusiness.it) |
| 10:10.27 | Steven_ | mhall : aha |
| 10:10.34 | oskie | cromd: of course they are.. every network administrator has to deal with security |
| 10:11.09 | mhall | Steven_: at least, that's what it did when i tried it out last |
| 10:11.11 | *** join/#debian sko22 (~Sko22@host250-197.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 10:11.18 | Lathiat | oskie: they can choose to ignore it ;) |
| 10:11.21 | *** join/#debian chatiman (~chatiman@d80-170-206-248.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 10:11.28 | sko22 | help :) |
| 10:11.29 | mhall | Steven_: lately i have been using RRAS because my Linux hard disk died and i am broke |
| 10:11.33 | hramrach | I installed 2.4.22 kernel and rebooted. |
| 10:11.38 | oskie | Lathiat: yeah, but most of those work with windoze software :P |
| 10:11.59 | cromd | hmmm ... dificult to tell where you stop being a dabbler and when you become a network administrator i suppose oskie, speaking of which, do you know any good docs to ease the security scared wannabe geek? |
| 10:12.24 | *** join/#debian but3k4_ (~but3k4@200-162-236-150.corp.ajato.com.br) |
| 10:12.25 | hramrach | I says it cannot fsck root as it is not readonly but later it complains it cannot do something because of readonly filesystem.. |
| 10:12.51 | *** part/#debian sko22 (~Sko22@host250-197.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 10:13.14 | mhall | cromd: nmapping yourself and reading the netfilter faq are a start |
| 10:13.23 | mhall | cromd: then there is the ipmasq deb as well |
| 10:13.24 | hramrach | What might cause this? |
| 10:13.30 | oskie | cromd: (well, security knowledge requires experience too)... anyway, I'd start with a firewall - as mhall said, netfilter |
| 10:13.40 | *** join/#debian p2-mate (~p2@NAT.office.mind.be) |
| 10:13.43 | *** join/#debian wfai (~wfai@210.22.147.10) |
| 10:13.48 | *** join/#debian w00ter (~SFDC@62.8.101.109) |
| 10:14.05 | *** join/#debian dobby (~dobby@fhbb242-217.fhbb.ch) |
| 10:14.19 | cromd | thanks mhall, oskie, greatly appreciated ... as soon as i work out what nmapping myself means i'll give it a go |
| 10:14.26 | mhall | cromd: and keep track of the latest "safe" kernel so you can aboid sploits |
| 10:14.35 | dobby | does someone knows a possibility to connect to a windoze host and do shutdownw with linux? |
| 10:14.38 | Steven_ | cromd : grsec might also be nice |
| 10:14.39 | mhall | cromd: apt-get install nmap; nmap 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:14.47 | mhall | cromd: see also www.insecure.org |
| 10:15.03 | mhall | dobby: You have a couple choices. |
| 10:15.23 | dobby | mhall: please tell dobby the choices ;) |
| 10:15.28 | rich_ | dobby yes, run a vnc server on the windows computer. |
| 10:15.38 | dobby | rich_: no without vnc |
| 10:15.40 | cromd | i don't think there's a more helpfull channel on the net, thanks everybody, you've probably written off every free moment i've got for this year with that lot :) but thanks, greatly appreciated |
| 10:15.41 | mhall | dobby: Telnet if it's enabled, the rdesktop client if Remote Desktop, Remote Admin, or Terminal Server is one, VNC, WinSSHD or such |
| 10:15.46 | *** join/#debian nnn (~nnn@gate.vsu.by) |
| 10:16.00 | rich_ | dobby run an x server on the windows computer? |
| 10:16.10 | mhall | cromd: well security is a huge(ly tough) thing sometimes |
| 10:16.15 | dobby | mhall: but i cand do somthing like a null session with linux |
| 10:16.17 | mhall | cromd: i am hoping to make a career of it |
| 10:16.32 | mhall | dobby: null sessions are limited in what they allow |
| 10:16.45 | mhall | dobby: A default config of XP won't hardly let you do anything. |
| 10:17.00 | nnn | Hi 2ALl! |
| 10:17.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 625] by debhelper |
| 10:17.02 | mhall | dobby: If the machine is old, you could try a winnuke or teardrop or land attack on it maybe |
| 10:17.09 | cromd | mhall, you must have nerves of steel! :) |
| 10:17.25 | nnn | How can I change my uptime??? |
| 10:18.00 | oskie | nnn: don't shutdown your computer too often |
| 10:18.00 | dobby | mhall: ok but couldn't i do something like shutdown -s -m \\remote host when i already been connected with a null session? |
| 10:18.00 | mhall | cromd: I had a lot of fun using my log monitor to watch somebody try to crack a NetBIOS share on my box with, of all things, a Spanish-language cracking toolkit. |
| 10:18.17 | cromd | you've got a twisted sense of pleasure mhall :) |
| 10:18.18 | mhall | dobby: Null sessions do not normally have the privilege to shutdown a machine over the network. |
| 10:18.40 | cromd | say, mhall, if anybody knows about this you might, have you ever used that mirror thing in iptables? |
| 10:18.42 | nnn | oskie: ??? ...no I want chane (i.e zero) my uptime. |
| 10:18.43 | mhall | dobby: Usually null sessions can only enumerate shares and SAM accounts. |
| 10:19.01 | mhall | One my machine, null sessions can do absolutely nothing. |
| 10:19.04 | oskie | nnn: uptime is automaticly reset every time you restart your computer. you don't want to change it. |
| 10:19.08 | nnn | oskie: echo 0 > /proc/uptime it's not work... |
| 10:19.11 | mhall | I killed it off in the Local Security Policy |
| 10:19.31 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm10.omega173.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 10:19.38 | mhall | cromd: mirror thing in iptables |
| 10:19.41 | oskie | it's always fun to look in mailer daemon logs to see rejected mails... "relaying denied", "classified as spam", "contains malware", "contains exe/com/.. files" |
| 10:19.41 | mhall | cromd: hmm |
| 10:19.44 | mhall | let me think |
| 10:19.48 | dobby | mhall: aha. ok. so i dont have the possibility without installing a tool on the other machin to restart it right ? |
| 10:19.50 | mhall | oskie: heehee |
| 10:19.57 | mhall | dobby correct |
| 10:20.08 | nnn | oskie: I understand this... |
| 10:20.09 | mhall | dobby: it quite rightly is trying to keep itself secure from remote reboots |
| 10:20.24 | cromd | sorry mhall, i'll look it up and use the right jargon |
| 10:20.25 | mhall | if MS let you reboot it remotely with no preconfiguration people would get very angry |
| 10:20.31 | mhall | cromd: i don't mind |
| 10:20.37 | mhall | cromd: i will try to figure it out |
| 10:20.51 | dobby | mhall: and would change to linux ;) |
| 10:21.05 | mhall | dobby: well this windows server works fine |
| 10:21.10 | mhall | dobby: portscan it |
| 10:21.49 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 10:21.53 | calamari_ | hi |
| 10:22.20 | nnn | oskie: some program after 30 min. work shutdown... i want after 29 min. have my uptime is zero, in this case it will be work alltime... you see? |
| 10:22.28 | oskie | mhall: well you would have to authenticate with administrator password in order to do remote reboot.. I think? |
| 10:22.50 | mhall | cromd: I think maybe you mean HA (high availability) or load balancing or failover. |
| 10:23.05 | dobby | mhall: what is the ip? |
| 10:23.13 | mhall | cromd: They are in the top of the netfilter FAQ http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/FAQ/netfilter-faq.html |
| 10:23.20 | cromd | sorry, mhall, not quite ... i'm just chasing up Oscar's iptables tutorial, he mentions it there, i'm just using the wrong words |
| 10:23.27 | oskie | nnn: hmm I'm not sure I understand. are you saying that you want some program to shut down 30 mins after the server has been rebooted? |
| 10:23.40 | mhall | dobby: adsl-67-123-147-22.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net |
| 10:23.44 | Piru | nnn, if you have cron issues, see anacron package. |
| 10:23.58 | dobby | mhall: ok |
| 10:24.04 | mhall | cromd: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/FAQ/netfilter-faq.html |
| 10:24.23 | *** join/#debian SAVEK (Cram@casseopeia.et-cip.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) |
| 10:24.28 | cromd | thanks mhall |
| 10:24.35 | mhall | dobby: I have a few open ports, but everything else is invisible. If you try NetBIOS it won't even work. |
| 10:24.36 | rich_ | nnn you mean the program is set to stop when uptime reaces 30 minutes? Like crippleware? |
| 10:24.37 | nnn | oskie: how I can do it? |
| 10:24.40 | *** join/#debian r0ute (~r0ute@resnet-nat4.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 10:24.42 | mhall | cromd: glad to help when i can |
| 10:24.48 | Savek | hi all |
| 10:24.51 | mhall | cromd: that FAQ is a goldmine of data |
| 10:25.01 | *** join/#debian FireDrake (~ircap7@atlnga1-ar2-4-33-040-187.atlnga1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 10:25.02 | oskie | nnn: you must create an init.d script that sleeps for 30 minutes, then runs the program |
| 10:26.01 | mhall | dobby: Not to mention I have a file-change detector and a comprehensive event log evaluator. |
| 10:26.15 | Savek | i'm having a serious problem with my debian woody server... after a reboot, it loads the kernel via grub but then ends after INIT: entering runlevel 2 - givin a login promt with hostname being (none) and doesn't do anything more (won't let me log in either...) |
| 10:26.25 | mhall | dobby: I am working on getting a good portscan detector. I tried ISA Server but I gave up on it because it had too many holes. |
| 10:26.28 | cromd | mhall: for once i've got it right ... it's the MIRROR target, inverts source and destination fields in the IP header, makes people hack their own boxes :) |
| 10:26.37 | nnn | oskie: no.. some program work about 30 min., after that it finish work... |
| 10:26.45 | mhall | cromd: Those can be funny. |
| 10:26.48 | cromd | mhall: apparently not reccomended, can have nasty side effects |
| 10:26.50 | Savek | any indeas? |
| 10:26.59 | dobby | mhall: i never do things i am not allowed! and if i find a hole i tell it to the sysadmin! |
| 10:27.04 | mhall | cromd: Another good one is the 127.0.0.1 DNS entry. |
| 10:27.17 | mhall | dobby: Good. |
| 10:27.24 | Piru | nnn, what makes you think it's uptime related? |
| 10:27.27 | mhall | dobby: That's what ethical people should do. |
| 10:27.49 | mhall | dobby: I'm just talking about the sort of measures I've taken. |
| 10:27.55 | oskie | nnn: well if it is like rich said, crippleware, i guess you'd either have to hack the program or the kernel to make this work... or make some kind of wrapper for the program :) it wouldn't be easy though |
| 10:28.12 | dobby | mhall: ok ;) |
| 10:28.13 | mhall | cromd: For example, warez.pine.nl |
| 10:28.23 | Coke | //filedc2/Gemensam /mnt/gemensam smbfs noauto,user,username=pet-geba,password=e |
| 10:28.50 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 10:29.22 | cromd | a bit over my head mhall |
| 10:29.33 | Savek | sorta lost with this boot thing... |
| 10:29.44 | Coke | Why would I get this error "cannot mount on /mnt/gemensam: Operation not permitted" when I have the user option specified in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:29.47 | Savek | anyone able to help me out of this? |
| 10:29.59 | mhall | cromd: If you enjoy messing with hackers here is something you can do. |
| 10:29.59 | *** join/#debian dpblnt (op@workshop.xenzor.ro) |
| 10:30.11 | dpblnt | ~search readlink |
| 10:30.17 | oskie | Coke: but with the user option on command line (smbmount), it works? |
| 10:30.35 | cromd | well, i try and avoid them where i can mhall :) |
| 10:30.46 | dpblnt | ~find readlink |
| 10:30.47 | mhall | cromd: You configure your DNS server to allow "zone transfers" to remote machines. This tricks people into thinking you'll give them a list of all of your valid machine names and IP addresses. |
| 10:31.08 | Coke | oskie: eh, what? the user option is only applicable in the case of reading from fstab. it tells wheter or not a regular user may mount the fstab entry or not. |
| 10:31.19 | mhall | cromd: When they download the transfer from your server, they notice a machine labeled warez with some IP address. |
| 10:31.34 | *** join/#debian avih_ (~chatzilla@njsx-spr.inter.net.il) |
| 10:31.46 | avih_ | hi |
| 10:31.49 | mhall | cromd: So, you point the warez machine to the same IP as www.fbi.gov or some other prominent government site with a portscan detector |
| 10:31.52 | oskie | Coke: hm true. but are you attempting to mount it as a regular user? |
| 10:31.58 | Coke | oskie: yep. |
| 10:32.02 | cromd | LOL ... you're an evil brute mhall :) |
| 10:32.10 | mhall | cromd: That way, when they go and scan it to try and download warez, they get kicked from their ISP. |
| 10:32.14 | Coke | oskie: it works fine as root, but I want any user to be able to do it, thus the "user" option |
| 10:32.35 | mhall | cromd: heehee |
| 10:32.50 | mhall | cromd: that's the downside of portscanning people |
| 10:32.56 | *** join/#debian abcnew (~abcnew@203.210.131.56) |
| 10:33.26 | Piru | fake ftp is fun too |
| 10:33.32 | mhall | cromd: You could also make netfilter relay the portscans to www.fbi.gov with a forged IP that belongs to the person who scanned you |
| 10:33.37 | *** part/#debian tca (~tom@ti542110a080-0783.bb.online.no) |
| 10:33.40 | oskie | Coke: ok..well, I guess it's either a bug in mount or some tool it uses |
| 10:33.40 | cromd | methinks it can't make for a better world joining in with such things, but then again, my views aren't shared by a lot of people :) |
| 10:33.42 | hramrach | Savek: I installed a broken kernel and my mount does not understand LABEL= anymore. |
| 10:33.43 | *** join/#debian Nicolo` (~nico@ppp-62-11-46-109.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 10:33.46 | Piru | one appearing to have upload right, but all going to /dev/null or so ;) |
| 10:33.56 | hramrach | It does basically the same thing :) |
| 10:34.03 | mhall | cromd: well, the simple answer is to stealth all of your ports and lay low |
| 10:34.09 | hramrach | But I can log in at least |
| 10:34.15 | oskie | mhall: if they find out it's you, you might be in trouble as well :) |
| 10:34.17 | mhall | cromd: but if you feel proactive there's plenty more you can do too |
| 10:34.25 | cromd | one day mhall, i'll understand what that means :) |
| 10:34.34 | mhall | oskie: that would be pretty tough to figure out |
| 10:34.39 | mhall | cromd: well, i will tell you |
| 10:34.58 | mhall | cromd: when you have TCP ports on your machine, they can do one of three things. |
| 10:35.04 | oskie | mhall: isn't it possible that your ISP stops forged packets? |
| 10:35.15 | cromd | mhall, you remind me of a friend i use to have, he had little stickers dotted around the outside of his house welcoming the burlars in try out the new "active" security measures :) |
| 10:35.44 | *** join/#debian `jan (~jm@202.172.110.121) |
| 10:35.45 | mhall | cromd: allow connections (a valid server is at that port), deny connections (reply saying no server is there), stealth (ignore all connections to the port). |
| 10:35.59 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 10:36.02 | mhall | deny is more "friendly" but stealth is more secure |
| 10:36.07 | mhall | so most of the time you want stealth |
| 10:36.20 | cromd | mhall, is stealth the same as iptables "DROP"? |
| 10:36.34 | mhall | oskie: true, the ISP might filter them out |
| 10:36.42 | oskie | mhall: are you sure? you'd have to 'ignore' all closed ports as well, as the kernel 'reject's them by default... |
| 10:36.42 | ticallion2 | cromd, yes |
| 10:36.58 | Nicolo` | can I ask a KDE question here? in #kde they could not answer |
| 10:37.00 | *** join/#debian wufei (wu@c-503f72d5.01-21-65736b10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 10:37.11 | SlayerXP | Nicolo`: what does your common sense tell you? |
| 10:37.14 | mhall | oskie: always bad if you portscan somebody with fake IPs and a real IP when the packets from the fake IPs get killed by the ISP |
| 10:37.20 | mhall | oskie: because then they know it's you |
| 10:37.22 | Piru | not many isps do egress filtering though, at least I haven't seen it often |
| 10:37.29 | cromd | allright ... not that i really understand it, but i get the idea that the process gets no reply to their packet, is that right? |
| 10:37.30 | Nicolo` | well, my common sense tells me that since I have debian I can ask here :) |
| 10:37.31 | mhall | oskie: hence another reason not to portscan |
| 10:37.47 | SlayerXP | Nicolo`: the old adage is true, common sense isn't all that common. |
| 10:37.49 | petemc | Nicolo`: #debian-kde |
| 10:37.57 | mhall | cromd: well, DROP means, when you get a packet that looks like what the rule says, throw it out |
| 10:38.08 | Nicolo` | oh, sorry, I didn't know that #debian-kde existed.. |
| 10:38.21 | Nicolo` | thanks petemc |
| 10:38.27 | mhall | oskie: well i'm just talking about how ports work generally |
| 10:38.41 | mhall | oskie: rather than saying exactly what you have to set up as filter rules |
| 10:39.10 | dobby | mhall: nice configuration! nothing to do! |
| 10:39.21 | mhall | dobby: heehee |
| 10:39.28 | mhall | just some crappy weird ports open |
| 10:39.46 | dobby | mhall: saw it ;) |
| 10:40.13 | dobby | mhall: was nice to meet you, bye |
| 10:40.16 | mhall | good old 4430 is for WebDAV access to my pr0n collection and has to be authenticated |
| 10:40.23 | *** join/#debian msiebuhr (~msiebuhr@hamilton.egmont-kol.dk) |
| 10:40.29 | mhall | and let's see what other ports do I have? |
| 10:40.33 | mhall | aim file transfer |
| 10:40.47 | mhall | and a couple ports for eMule |
| 10:40.49 | mhall | and that's it |
| 10:41.02 | mhall | WebDAV is an insanely cool protocol |
| 10:41.12 | *** join/#debian Cae2 (~Cae2@200.175.3.179.tbprof.gvt.net.br) |
| 10:41.54 | *** join/#debian moustic (~Moustic@bostik6989-nat.clients.easynet.fr) |
| 10:43.01 | Savek | anyone got an idea, why my system won't load anything in runlevel 2? |
| 10:43.13 | *** join/#debian linuxfreck (~chris@pD9E5A633.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:43.24 | mhall | Secure boxes are cool, everything else is teh sux. |
| 10:43.26 | *** join/#debian hadez (~hadez@pD9E4192F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:43.36 | mhall | And "teh sux" is a really, really great term. |
| 10:43.39 | mhall | I love it. |
| 10:44.10 | jm_ | Savek: it's your system, you should know |
| 10:44.12 | *** join/#debian Esaj (~jason@jdd30.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 10:44.22 | mhall | jm_: lol great answer |
| 10:44.30 | calamari_ | there seems to be 10 different ways to do fonts in X11. Can anyone assist me in setting up a new font for Mozilla? |
| 10:44.31 | Savek | i would know if i'd have changed anything... |
| 10:44.32 | mhall | ~tell Savek about doesn't work |
| 10:44.40 | rich_ | Sometimes when I try to pipe things to a command useing | nothing gets through, and I think the reason is that the output is stderr instead of stdout. How can I make it include stderr, and how can make it pipe Just stderr, rather than stdout? |
| 10:44.44 | hramrach | Savek: reboot it and look for weird error messages :) |
| 10:44.57 | Savek | but after reboot it doesn't give wired messages... |
| 10:45.02 | mhall | rich_: 2> operator snags stderr |
| 10:45.04 | *** join/#debian stepheng (~stepheng@fctnts11c111.nbnet.nb.ca) |
| 10:45.06 | *** join/#debian keyz (~keyz@APoitiers-106-1-31-145.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:45.07 | peterS | mhall: out of curiosity ... what is insanely cool about webdav? |
| 10:45.10 | mhall | Savek: look in /var/log |
| 10:45.11 | rich_ | mhall Thanks. |
| 10:45.12 | keyz | 'lo |
| 10:45.12 | Savek | it just says init verson something booting |
| 10:45.24 | Savek | and then INIT: entering runlevel: 2 |
| 10:45.28 | mhall | peterS: Well, it's like FTP, except it supports SSL and authentication. |
| 10:45.32 | *** join/#debian holycow (~rtaylor@h24-86-227-8.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 10:45.35 | peterS | mhall: other than the interesting coup they pulled off by naming it "webdav" instead of, say, "da" since it isn't really web-based and doesn't have versioning? |
| 10:45.41 | Savek | and after that just Debian Linux 3.0 (none) |
| 10:45.42 | rich_ | mhall But I dont want it to go to a file I want to pipe it | to a command |
| 10:45.49 | Savek | and gives me a login promt... |
| 10:45.53 | mhall | peterS: And it lets you manage websites in a very convenient way. |
| 10:45.53 | Savek | where i can't log in |
| 10:46.08 | Savek | it even mounts the rootfs b4 that (readonly) |
| 10:46.16 | *** join/#debian RinzeWind (~chema@2001:800:40:260c:0:0:1127:2) |
| 10:46.17 | Savek | but init just doesn't do anything |
| 10:46.18 | mhall | peterS: Plus, there's a neat Windows tool to map it onto a network drive, so you can stream-read files. |
| 10:46.21 | peterS | mhall: it's hardly the only remote filesystem out there. what makes it better than the others? |
| 10:46.23 | keyz | i got a usb camera from "digital dream" but i can't found wich module i have to use for the webcam .. anyone got an idea? |
| 10:46.37 | mhall | peterS: NFS doesn't encrypt |
| 10:46.48 | mhall | peterS: it's pretty simple to configure |
| 10:46.58 | *** part/#debian stepheng (~stepheng@fctnts11c111.nbnet.nb.ca) |
| 10:47.05 | mhall | peterS: I never said anything else wasn't better, only that webdav is pretty cool |
| 10:47.17 | Misirlou | keyz: I just plug mine in and run "invoke-rc.d hotplug restart". |
| 10:47.34 | peterS | mhall: given windows built-in client support, I suppose it has advantages over, say, sftp |
| 10:47.43 | mhall | keyz: you could plug it in and look in /proc/usb |
| 10:47.59 | mhall | keyz: it should give you the device's text description of itself |
| 10:48.07 | mhall | keyz: and of course, almighty google |
| 10:48.09 | hramrach | Savek: does it ever mount the root rw? |
| 10:48.16 | guk | fuck ... alright ... when I lose my mouse in X from the computer being too busy I also lose full controll of the keyboard ... how do I gain it back (so I can oviously do somthing) |
| 10:48.16 | mhall | keyz: and read the video4linux docs |
| 10:48.21 | keyz | in /proc usb i only found the mass storage key |
| 10:48.23 | guk | this is the 3rd time it has happened |
| 10:48.27 | Savek | nope doesn't |
| 10:48.31 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/dvd4linux.txt |
| 10:48.34 | peterS | mhall: but sftp is a protocol I can understand, and I'd rather run something inside an ssh server than an http server - less baggage, you know, if I didn't already have both of them configured |
| 10:48.34 | Misirlou | keyz: That's effectively what it is. |
| 10:48.36 | mhall | Misirlou: thanks. |
| 10:48.58 | Misirlou | mhall: Huh, what did I do? |
| 10:48.58 | petemc | keyz: if its usb mass storage it will appear in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 10:49.00 | mhall | peterS: SFTP won't let you stream edit |
| 10:49.00 | tarzeau | does someone know a licensed dvd software (css!) for linux (debian gnu/linux, sid, sparc+powerpc)? |
| 10:49.10 | keyz | i surely need CPIA module then, because with OV511 it's doesn't work ... |
| 10:49.13 | peterS | mhall: stream edit? |
| 10:49.13 | mhall | Misirlou: i'm atheist and can't bow down to google |
| 10:49.19 | mhall | Misirlou: thanks for being a proxy |
| 10:49.27 | Misirlou | mhall: No problem, dude. |
| 10:49.29 | mhall | peterS: well i am trying to think of a better term |
| 10:49.58 | mhall | peterS: but, basically, i can map webdav to a drive, open a file in a text editor, modify it, and save, all without downloading a local copy |
| 10:50.09 | mhall | peterS: sftp makes me download the file first |
| 10:50.18 | Savek | hramrach: nope... it says VFS: mounting root (.) readonly; Freeing unused kernel mem; INIT version 2.84 booting; INIT: entering runlevel:2 --- and gives me that login prompt |
| 10:50.20 | Supaplex | humm.. apache-ssl received SIGSEGV at boot_DynaLoader () from /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so |
| 10:50.26 | Savek | where i can't do anything... |
| 10:50.35 | peterS | mhall: sure you're downloading a local copy. your client implementation is hiding this from you, is all. no reason one can't do that with sftp - and in fact with emacs you can (: |
| 10:50.52 | mhall | peterS: no you aren't downloading a local copy |
| 10:51.07 | keyz | tyhanks all, i'll search for this |
| 10:51.08 | peterS | mhall: you're sure downloading *something*. or are you claiming that the data never crosses the network? |
| 10:51.13 | mhall | peterS: you actually are acting as if the webdav share were a hard disks |
| 10:51.15 | hramrach | Savek: boot with init=bin/sh and check that what is wrong :) |
| 10:51.21 | mhall | peterS: sure there is some download |
| 10:51.29 | mhall | peterS: but not the entire file |
| 10:51.29 | Supaplex | are my dpkg --get-selections stored anywhere? (eg, daily cron job or something) I want to know what I had installed yesterday (and what versions) |
| 10:51.29 | *** join/#debian k-man1 (~Jason@adsl-112-70.swiftdsl.com.au) |
| 10:52.01 | Savek | already booted with knoppix, too - to have a look at the logfiles... but since it doesn't even start syslog... |
| 10:52.01 | mhall | peterS: it might be no big deal for a text file, but for a database or something weird, it could make a difference |
| 10:52.01 | peterS | mhall: this is all a matter of client implementation. all text editors *I* know insist on reading a whole file into memory before you edit it. |
| 10:52.06 | mhall | peterS: it makes a difference for watching, say, videos for example |
| 10:52.17 | linuxfreck | rich_: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html ; last paragraph |
| 10:52.26 | peterS | mhall: for something like watching videos, regular read-only HTTP or whatever is just fine |
| 10:52.40 | mhall | peterS: because with webdav, i can watch the video in a stream if my connection is quick enough |
| 10:52.42 | sgeigerbot | ~+istr |
| 10:52.44 | | istr is, like, I'm So Totally Retarded (I can't remember what ISTR stands for) |
| 10:52.47 | guk | okay ... when my computer gets too busy (like it's doing alot of stuff) the mouse will time out or somthing and is unable to move. when I restart X it freezes as it's about to close and I lose all controll of the computer 100% (keyboard and all) how do I get it so my ketboard resumes again ? |
| 10:52.48 | mhall | peterS: ftp makes you download it |
| 10:53.01 | mhall | peterS: well, webdav and http are really the same thing anyways |
| 10:53.11 | Supaplex | ftpfs :) |
| 10:53.22 | guk | I can still SSH into it and everything still works tho ... |
| 10:53.38 | peterS | mhall: nah. webdav is a pretty significant extension of http. |
| 10:53.44 | mhall | peterS: plus, with webdav, you have the advantage of a standard premade PKI |
| 10:53.45 | *** join/#debian dopey_d (~ruben@217.170.42.254) |
| 10:53.48 | peterS | mhall: not quite the same as tunneling over http, but not too far from it |
| 10:53.50 | eNovell | I have a rather strange question (maybe).. But how do I make exim relay *all* mail to *all* domains from _everyone_ ? |
| 10:53.51 | dopey_d | hi |
| 10:53.53 | mhall | peterS: SSH uses its own PKI |
| 10:54.15 | sgeigerbot | What does this mean? "ISTR a proc setting to change the unpriviledged port" |
| 10:54.17 | peterS | mhall: sftp has a standard premade pki too. it just has less adoption in the windows world. I use the ssh model a lot *more* than the TLS model in *my* daily work |
| 10:54.34 | hramrach | guk: what type of keyboard do you have? |
| 10:54.40 | dopey_d | does anyone here know which kernel mod is needed by a sitecom/bridgecom unknown device 985 ethernet controller ? |
| 10:54.40 | mhall | peterS: TLS is going to take over because of wireless authentication |
| 10:54.40 | guk | old skool AT |
| 10:54.44 | rich_ | linuxfreck Thank you very much. I especially appreciate that its a doc I can save because I forget the answer every few months, Now I can just save it... |
| 10:54.48 | dopey_d | does this thing work in kernel 2.2 ? |
| 10:54.54 | mhall | peterS: plus with TLS, i can verify a webdav server using CA keys |
| 10:55.09 | hramrach | guk: then do not run X :) |
| 10:55.11 | guk | hramrach: I don't think it's the problem tho ... cause X is "frozen" closing ... and all I see is the background with some broken things (gaim and what not) and it freezed 100% |
| 10:55.13 | mhall | peterS: with SSH i am limited to comparing fingerprints |
| 10:55.19 | peterS | mhall: so you say. I find ssh much less complicated to manage. Cert management is a headache, IMHO. |
| 10:55.33 | *** join/#debian r0ute_ (~r0ute@resnet-nat4.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 10:55.37 | mhall | peterS: yes cert management is a headache, but it's getting better |
| 10:55.39 | guk | Well ... it's been hapening only when I work it too hard ... which I did ... but now I lost controll of it... is there a way I can reset the keyboard and shit ? |
| 10:55.53 | mhall | peterS: i am planning on deploying L2TP so i can learn to manage certs right |
| 10:55.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Since when does high security have to be easy and care free? |
| 10:56.12 | peterS | sgeigerbot: it doesn't have to be. it's just a nice bonus when it is |
| 10:56.16 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 10:56.22 | mhall | guk: try running reset |
| 10:56.24 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 10:56.25 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 10:56.33 | guk | reset ? |
| 10:56.35 | mhall | well i am really sleepy |
| 10:56.38 | peterS | sgeigerbot: yeah. happy new year to you too |
| 10:56.43 | mhall | i had to drive 5 hours |
| 10:57.06 | hramrach | guk: if X locks up and eats your keyboard there is probably nothing you can do except reboot. |
| 10:57.12 | mhall | guk: reset is the magic my-terminal-is-a-mess-fix-it command |
| 10:57.14 | *** join/#debian CASPesp (~andrius@212.122.74.82) |
| 10:57.19 | guk | oh ... |
| 10:57.24 | guk | well my X is a mess fix it command ? |
| 10:57.25 | guk | :) |
| 10:57.29 | hramrach | You can try to start another X ovet the ssh connection.. |
| 10:57.37 | mhall | guk: heh damn there's not a command for that |
| 10:57.46 | mhall | guk: but hramrach's idea could work |
| 10:57.46 | madness | guk: ctrl-alt-backspace :P |
| 10:57.50 | guk | I did that |
| 10:57.55 | guk | but now the keyboard and mouse is 100% lockup |
| 10:58.03 | mhall | guk: kill the remaining x processes and try to start a fresh one maybe |
| 10:58.26 | madness | guk: just under X, or can you not ctrl-alt-f<number> to get out of it ? |
| 10:59.09 | mhall | who has the power now? hahaha |
| 10:59.36 | mhall | TTFN, all |
| 10:59.38 | peterS | mhall: don't get me wrong, there must be *something* useful to webdav, since the subversion people decided to build a transport layer on top of it. I'm just having trouble seeing what's wrong with sftp. (as a protocol. client implementations and availability is another matter.) |
| 10:59.48 | Supaplex | lol |
| 10:59.50 | hwnd | when will an ebuild for new vlc videolan 0.7 will be released? |
| 10:59.50 | guk | I can't NOTHING |
| 10:59.56 | guk | that keyboard is "USELESS" now |
| 10:59.58 | guk | nothing works |
| 11:00.04 | guk | even unplugging it and plugging it back in |
| 11:00.09 | guk | even numlock is FUCKED |
| 11:00.12 | Piru | guk, ssh into the box and try nuking all X related procs? |
| 11:00.22 | guk | I did |
| 11:00.24 | guk | I am SSHing |
| 11:00.28 | guk | and I killed EVERYTHING X |
| 11:00.29 | Piru | and restarting X did nothing? |
| 11:00.33 | peterS | guk: plugging and unplugging a PS/2 keyboard while the computer is on is considered a Very Bad Idea. just a warning. |
| 11:00.56 | guk | peterS: I have to do it all the time ... the keyboard is very old and needs to be unplugged and plugged back in every little bit |
| 11:00.58 | hramrach | Savek: if you try to do a manual init you will see what fails :) |
| 11:01.03 | Supaplex | whoever decided to make ps/2 not hotswapable, oh wait, that's ibm. *smack* |
| 11:01.13 | guk | where does X keep it's logs |
| 11:01.17 | guk | maybe it will tell me somthing usefull |
| 11:01.18 | peterS | Supaplex: yeah really. |
| 11:01.29 | Savek | hramrach: how would i do that? |
| 11:01.34 | *** join/#debian wuhuu (~wuhuu@p213.54.245.62.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 11:01.35 | streuner_ | guk: /var/log/XF86* |
| 11:01.42 | Supaplex | I'd go all usb, but that causes me more problems :) |
| 11:01.44 | Savek | (since it won't even let me log in) |
| 11:01.56 | peterS | Supaplex: hot-swap, plug-n-play busses are an idea whose time came a long time ago. |
| 11:02.17 | hramrach | boot with init=/bin/sh, mount / rw, try to run a few esential things |
| 11:02.21 | guk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23052 Nov 11 19:20 XFree86.0.log |
| 11:02.21 | guk | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34546 Nov 11 19:23 XFree86.8.log |
| 11:02.26 | guk | these are just SO usefull |
| 11:02.27 | guk | :/ |
| 11:02.40 | wuhuu | hello |
| 11:02.48 | *** join/#debian totu (~totu@umc154m1hel.dial.kolumbus.fi) |
| 11:02.48 | streuner_ | guk: read the errors (EE) |
| 11:03.16 | wuhuu | I have a Problem with my giftd it returns "*** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/libnone.la: file not found" |
| 11:03.17 | streuner_ | guk: and the first file is important... |
| 11:03.30 | SwooP | can I migrate from ext2 to reiserfs and don't lose data.. ? |
| 11:03.37 | hramrach | Savek: init=/bin/sh as a kernel parameter :) |
| 11:03.38 | streuner_ | SwooP: no |
| 11:03.42 | guk | but look at the frickin date on it... |
| 11:03.58 | SwooP | damn.. well.. 2 bad.. :( |
| 11:04.09 | peterS | SwooP: not in place. you have to have a place to put your data temporarily |
| 11:04.10 | *** join/#debian grendel (~grendel@ppp-82-84-49-54.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 11:04.22 | guk | those X logs are OLD |
| 11:04.23 | streuner_ | SwooP: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 11:04.26 | Savek | hramrach: that doesn't work... it won't load the sh, but doesn't give any error either |
| 11:04.26 | guk | they mention me using an S3 Trio |
| 11:04.28 | grendel | hi, someone knows if is it possible to localize gdm? |
| 11:04.30 | wuhuu | what to f*** is libnone ?? |
| 11:04.47 | peterS | grendel: I thought it was localized already |
| 11:04.53 | jm_ | grendel: yes it is localized ... |
| 11:05.26 | hramrach | Savek: did you change yuor kernel recently? Don't you have a spare one? |
| 11:05.42 | grendel | I don't know how to localize it, the menus are in english I would like to localize them |
| 11:05.50 | jm_ | use correct locale |
| 11:06.02 | streuner_ | guk: try /msg dpkg set up x |
| 11:06.08 | tomf | if I run debmirror with the -m option does is also check the packages which are already downloaded with the md5 checksum? |
| 11:06.12 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 11:06.23 | guk | I know how to setup X :D it was working perfect before |
| 11:06.28 | guk | im running X as root from SSH now |
| 11:06.29 | guk | :D |
| 11:06.48 | Savek | hramrach: didn't change anything... and tried the 2 other kernels... bot no go either |
| 11:06.51 | streuner_ | guk: fine, then i dunno what your question is |
| 11:07.14 | grendel | I've installed locales package... |
| 11:07.19 | SwooP | tnx |
| 11:07.31 | *** join/#debian Pille (AC14EE18@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 11:07.39 | guk | okay |
| 11:07.40 | guk | got it :D |
| 11:07.41 | guk | X works |
| 11:07.43 | guk | but it's in root |
| 11:07.47 | jm_ | yes, but that's not enough - you need to make locales available and also make gdm run in given locale |
| 11:07.50 | guk | now it locks up when I quit outa X in root |
| 11:07.51 | guk | :/ |
| 11:08.09 | guk | chris@Solosoft:/var/log$ startx |
| 11:08.09 | guk | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 11:08.13 | guk | How do I let myself run X |
| 11:08.14 | jm_ | that's because it was screwed when you started it |
| 11:08.22 | hramrach | Savek: weird. I have no more ideas. Is bash/libc/.. ok? Can you run them from a chroot from knoppix? |
| 11:08.22 | guk | I got it working tho |
| 11:08.24 | guk | keyboard and all |
| 11:08.25 | jm_ | dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common |
| 11:08.28 | SwooP | I have 1.7 tb of storage.. |
| 11:08.31 | guk | erm ... it works |
| 11:08.32 | SwooP | can i still use ext2 ? |
| 11:08.35 | guk | ack |
| 11:08.38 | guk | i'll fuck around with it |
| 11:08.49 | streuner_ | !enter |
| 11:08.50 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 11:09.27 | jm_ | ahh no it's xserver-common not xfree86-common |
| 11:10.30 | *** join/#debian cassiopea (~cassiopea@pel-dial-196-7-205-125.mweb.co.za) |
| 11:11.06 | cassiopea | hey. I can't seem to find abiword with apt-cache, but it's difficult to believe that it wouldn't be in debian, does someone know anything to the wiser? |
| 11:11.25 | jm_ | it is in stable at least |
| 11:11.41 | streuner_ | !find abiword stable |
| 11:11.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'abiword' (6 shown): abiword ;; abiword-common ;; abiword-doc ;; abiword-gnome ;; abiword-gtk ;; abiword-plugins. |
| 11:11.51 | *** join/#debian hps (~hps@L0871P13.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 11:11.59 | streuner_ | !info abiword stable |
| 11:12.02 | dpkg | abiword: (Dummy package providing abiword), section editors, is extra. Version: 1.0.2+cvs.2002.06.05-1 (woody), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 11:13.00 | cassiopea | I use testing, btw |
| 11:13.03 | *** join/#debian shmho (~shmho@211.207.139.102) |
| 11:13.10 | streuner_ | !info abiword testing |
| 11:13.15 | cassiopea | how long has it been in testing, approx? |
| 11:13.53 | jm_ | well maybe it was removed from testing ... |
| 11:14.00 | guk | alright ... now I got it working but not |
| 11:14.08 | streuner_ | cassiopea: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:14.33 | guk | my keyboard is functional ... but I can't access my terminal :) |
| 11:14.49 | guk | and when I kill X ... pressing enter makes it move to the right ... if I hold it down it keeps moving |
| 11:14.53 | guk | quite wierd |
| 11:15.09 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 11:15.23 | jm_ | guk: I told you - that's because it was screwed before you started X |
| 11:15.31 | guk | but X works |
| 11:15.35 | jm_ | yes |
| 11:15.36 | guk | I tell it to start via root |
| 11:15.43 | guk | and it works (on SSH of course) |
| 11:15.46 | jm_ | that's common scenario |
| 11:16.05 | guk | now how to I gain my graphics card back ... since it don't wanna goto terminal mode |
| 11:16.08 | zu22 | is there a meta package to install GNOME2 in sarge (currently no GNOME is installed)? |
| 11:16.19 | *** join/#debian some-god (~some-god@h18n2fls32o1110.telia.com) |
| 11:16.23 | streuner_ | zu22: try gnome |
| 11:16.30 | zu22 | streuner_: k danke |
| 11:16.51 | jm_ | sometimes textmode helps - but then again, I presume you have never run savetextmode when display was all nice ;P |
| 11:17.03 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 11:17.04 | *** join/#debian pazo (~pazo@port208.ds1-sdb.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 11:17.07 | guk | oh well ... |
| 11:17.16 | guk | never a better time to update my kernel and add more HDD space |
| 11:17.17 | guk | :D |
| 11:17.38 | *** join/#debian zhoubo (~zhoubo@219.139.204.234) |
| 11:17.52 | streuner_ | zu22: if you got problems /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 11:17.58 | streuner_ | s/got/get/ |
| 11:18.48 | *** part/#debian grendel (~grendel@ppp-82-84-49-54.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 11:19.36 | *** join/#debian amphi (~amphi@202.79.43.89) |
| 11:19.37 | *** join/#debian Pille (AC14EE18@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 11:20.12 | zu22 | streuner_: there is no package 'gnome' in sarge and /msg dpkg install gnome said 'are you smoking crack?' heh :) |
| 11:20.13 | *** join/#debian tomf_ (~tom@p213.54.80.180.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 11:20.18 | *** join/#debian MiXeN_dK (~mikkel2@cpe.atm0-0-0-126199.0x3ef3eb45.bynxx2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 11:20.40 | zu22 | hmmm |
| 11:20.41 | *** join/#debian MiXeN|ZzZ (~mikkel2@cpe.atm0-0-0-126199.0x3ef3eb45.bynxx2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 11:21.05 | zu22 | streuner_: maybe i need upgrade to sid to get gnome2? |
| 11:21.44 | *** join/#debian Sphair (~sphair-sp@217.13.9.138) |
| 11:22.59 | *** join/#debian Spike-Sp (~spike@d80-170-157-150.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 11:23.03 | hramrach | zu22: just install the parts of gnome you use :) |
| 11:23.45 | *** join/#debian Majk (~anaconda@as8-3-5.hn.g.bonet.se) |
| 11:27.14 | *** join/#debian chris2 (~chris@p50914816.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:27.20 | *** join/#debian wuhuu (~wuhuu@p213.54.245.62.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 11:27.27 | wuhuu | hello |
| 11:27.29 | *** join/#debian newbie_ (~newbie@docs51-43.menta.net) |
| 11:28.53 | wuhuu | i want to update my kernel on a 2.4.23 but my linux is installed on a Raid system using Fasttrak S150 howto get this module running/booting with the new kernel ? |
| 11:30.39 | wuhuu | hello ? |
| 11:30.50 | *** join/#debian lewnidas_ (lewnidas@212.205.244.191) |
| 11:30.52 | *** join/#debian Sciboy (~Main@p232-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au) |
| 11:31.01 | moustic | wuhuu: which kernel do you want tu use ? |
| 11:31.11 | Sciboy | Anyone here succesfully gotten LCDproc to work with a HD44780 or compatible LCD screen? |
| 11:31.16 | wuhuu | 2.4.23 |
| 11:31.41 | *** join/#debian filp (~filp@203.30.127.153) |
| 11:31.51 | wuhuu | because i run a 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 11:31.56 | hramrach | wuhuu: Then compile in support for that controller :) |
| 11:32.18 | wuhuu | <-- newbie |
| 11:32.31 | wuhuu | howto compile my own kernel ? |
| 11:32.59 | moustic | wuhu: i can't remember wich controler uses fasttrak 150 but there are some supports for pdc202xx (promise) and fastrak |
| 11:32.59 | filp | wuhuu: just paste that into google and you'll be fine |
| 11:34.18 | wuhuu | :) |
| 11:34.19 | streuner_ | zu22: use apt instead |
| 11:34.33 | *** join/#debian Zapelius (~zapelius@rintintin-qfe0.net.mv.sonera.fi) |
| 11:34.42 | *** join/#debian tracker (~tracker@valette.loria.fr) |
| 11:35.00 | streuner_ | apt, install gnome is <reply> install gnome is in woody and sarge: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 11:35.04 | | ...but install gnome is already something else... |
| 11:35.22 | streuner_ | dpkg, install gnome is <reply> install gnome is in woody and sarge: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 11:35.22 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 11:35.38 | wuhuu | getting the source would be the first thing right ? |
| 11:36.43 | *** join/#debian Giavol (user32743@213.91.132.93) |
| 11:36.52 | cassiopea | when will the packages.debian.org page be up again? |
| 11:37.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 635] by debhelper |
| 11:37.26 | hramrach | cassiopea: /topic |
| 11:37.35 | moustic | :/ the big question |
| 11:37.55 | *** join/#debian Ass0mbracao (~lucas@200.215.47.71) |
| 11:38.05 | *** join/#debian burum (~root@224.Red-81-35-185.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:38.08 | zu22 | streuner_: danke~ |
| 11:38.19 | filp | got root? |
| 11:38.24 | varsis | !tell burum about root |
| 11:38.43 | zu22 | hramrach: :) |
| 11:38.44 | cassiopea | hramrach: Thanx, I really gotta make it a habit to look at the topic when I enter |
| 11:38.59 | cassiopea | hramrach: What happened with the site anyway? |
| 11:39.29 | *** join/#debian jeanmi (~besnard@Mix-Rennes202-2-208.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:39.39 | trovador | how does one configure xmms with alsa? i get sound but i can't get the volume control to respond.. (emu10k1) |
| 11:39.50 | jeanmi | how do I 'put' a directory with ncftp ? |
| 11:40.03 | mz | use ncftpput |
| 11:40.11 | hramrach | cassiopea: it is probably down because it's been hacked. I beleive there is some news section on debian.org |
| 11:41.05 | filp | must be using one of those hacker programs like linux |
| 11:41.41 | marinos | anybody tried the ipv6 enabled packages for xserver-xfree86 by fabbione , Question can they also be used only for ipv4 ? |
| 11:41.45 | *** join/#debian daxal (~supaplex@c-67-172-235-225.client.comcast.net) |
| 11:42.02 | *** join/#debian ercin (~caldera@212.174.229.132) |
| 11:42.14 | *** join/#debian arauko_ (~arauko@del-03-.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 11:42.15 | *** join/#debian WildTurkey (~gobble@dsl16-022.duo-county.com) |
| 11:42.27 | zu22 | sometimes apt suggests a package to install and then wheh i try it says "package has no installation candidate' yet i have done 'apt-get update' so what is causing that? |
| 11:44.03 | daxal | zu22, do you have any deb-src entries in your sources.list? |
| 11:44.13 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (eobhvs@adsl-81-7-115-96.takas.lt) |
| 11:44.38 | zu22 | daxal: yes two |
| 11:44.48 | zu22 | daxal: one for deabian and one for debian-non-US |
| 11:44.51 | daxal | do they match non -src entries? |
| 11:44.55 | *** join/#debian Sachiel_ (~Ireul@host76-45.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 11:45.12 | daxal | eg, I have a machine I usualy have unstable and testing for just the sources |
| 11:45.16 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@200.90.0.242) |
| 11:45.24 | zu22 | daxal: yes |
| 11:45.49 | *** join/#debian nobody_at_nowher (~jbecker@x83.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 11:45.53 | zu22 | daxal: my sources.list has "testing" since i running sarge |
| 11:45.58 | daxal | I usualy run into that problem when the package has a source, but not a deb |
| 11:46.19 | Sciboy | So, i want to make a mini case for an old comp, so it can fit easily into a bag... |
| 11:46.27 | abcnew | how get all file and dir, with ftp? |
| 11:46.33 | zu22 | daxal: ah interesting |
| 11:46.36 | jm_ | abcnew: use lftp |
| 11:46.48 | *** part/#debian Sciboy (~Main@p232-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au) |
| 11:46.52 | filp | abcnew: wget can do some nice recursive stuff |
| 11:47.05 | *** part/#debian totu (~totu@umc154m1hel.dial.kolumbus.fi) |
| 11:47.08 | *** join/#debian bkw (~bkw@195.242.58.173) |
| 11:47.13 | abcnew | filp, i need login before |
| 11:47.25 | jm_ | wget can do that too |
| 11:47.28 | keyz | i can't do the | in the xterm, in wich file i have to modify this? |
| 11:47.34 | filp | abcnew: it's all good |
| 11:48.03 | abcnew | ths, i'll try |
| 11:48.42 | hramrach | How do I install a specific version of a package? |
| 11:48.45 | *** join/#debian Jamie (~qwer@dsl-217-155-31-188.zen.co.uk) |
| 11:48.52 | hramrach | It seems apt has no man page. |
| 11:49.13 | filp | hramrach: download it and dpkg -i <package name> |
| 11:49.58 | hramrach | aargh, I thought that is something I have to do only on broken systems :( |
| 11:50.05 | *** join/#debian trondaso (~trondaso@44.80-202-72.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:50.36 | Jamie | if i want to only have amavisd-new to upgrade off this site, http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS/dists/ - how do i put this in /etc/apt/sources.list ? because at the moment i just have "deb http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS/dist/woody-amavisd-new/ stable main" and "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS/dist/woody-amavids-new/ stable main" but then that will want to upgrade my rsync and other apps that are on there.. |
| 11:50.46 | zhoubo | what does dpkg exctly mean? |
| 11:50.48 | mz | Preparing to replace grep 2.5.1-6 (using .../grep_2.5.1.ds1-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 11:50.48 | mz | install-info(/usr/share/info/grep.info): failed to lock dir for editing! Operation not permitted |
| 11:50.51 | filp | hramrach: well you can screw around with pinning, if you want to do it the apt way |
| 11:50.59 | mz | I always get this error, anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 11:51.01 | filp | zhoubo: debian package |
| 11:51.17 | zhoubo | oh,thanks. |
| 11:51.55 | hramrach | filp: Thanks, I will try to install it manually. |
| 11:52.21 | Jamie | anybody know ? i meant deb-src http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS (ignore the /dist/woody-amavisd-new/" that was a typo) |
| 11:52.22 | *** join/#debian zaq (~jw@pool-151-198-125-158.nwrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:52.36 | filp | hramrach: you'll need to get into pinning otherwise and upgrade or dist-upgrade will probably screw things up |
| 11:53.13 | zaq | apt no longer has news for #debian? |
| 11:53.15 | | zaq: are you using Windows? |
| 11:53.24 | sgeigerbot | ~+pki |
| 11:53.25 | daxal | hahaa |
| 11:53.25 | zaq | no |
| 11:53.55 | *** join/#debian looksaus (~mark@kn-upc-1.kuleuven.net) |
| 11:53.58 | zaq | worse, fedora! |
| 11:54.03 | sgeigerbot | zaq: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation. |
| 11:54.24 | zaq | sgeigerbot, ok... |
| 11:54.49 | looksaus | what does the "noprobe" kernel boot argument do? |
| 11:54.53 | looksaus | any URLs? |
| 11:55.02 | *** join/#debian gunebakan (~Miranda@195.87.232.196) |
| 11:55.05 | looksaus | (or a short explanation?) |
| 11:55.06 | filp | looksaus: probably stops it from probing |
| 11:55.24 | looksaus | yes, sure, but which kind of probing? |
| 11:55.33 | filp | looksaus: alien kind |
| 11:55.40 | looksaus | :) |
| 11:55.49 | filp | looksaus: grab you're ankles kind of stuff |
| 11:56.03 | filp | s/you're/your |
| 11:56.11 | *** join/#debian mixmatch (~mixmatch@62.153.213.93) |
| 11:56.43 | filp | looksaus: what does the debian install manual say about it? |
| 11:56.47 | looksaus | then what's the use of options like nopcmcia, nousb, nofirewire in combination with this? |
| 11:56.58 | looksaus | filp, I'll have a look |
| 11:57.25 | zhoubo | is there any possible to change the font of the real console? |
| 11:57.28 | looksaus | I must say I'm installing this laptop for my boss |
| 11:57.38 | looksaus | and it's not Debian I'm installing |
| 11:57.48 | looksaus | (use Debian personally though) |
| 11:57.49 | filp | looksaus: luck you, what is it? |
| 11:57.54 | *** join/#debian phweak (~pwk@client-2913-p1-sms.winn.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 11:58.00 | looksaus | Fedora |
| 11:58.04 | looksaus | aargghh |
| 11:58.07 | filp | looksaus: nice |
| 11:58.12 | looksaus | the problem is |
| 11:58.25 | looksaus | there seems to be no way in Debian |
| 11:58.41 | looksaus | to get the computer switched off from within Gnome |
| 11:58.50 | looksaus | NOT from gdm, but from Gnome |
| 11:59.07 | *** join/#debian sonne (~sonne@no.first.fraunhofer.de) |
| 11:59.07 | looksaus | there's been discussion about it |
| 11:59.11 | looksaus | but no solution |
| 11:59.14 | filp | looksaus: I thought there was a gnome aplet for poweroff |
| 11:59.15 | looksaus | security concerns |
| 11:59.33 | filp | looksaus: write a little bash script to do it |
| 11:59.51 | looksaus | this really should be something |
| 12:00.02 | looksaus | to incorporate into debian |
| 12:00.02 | filp | ? |
| 12:00.13 | looksaus | i should have written a bug report |
| 12:00.17 | *** join/#debian kps (~kps@cs78175186.pp.htv.fi) |
| 12:00.29 | *** join/#debian kromagg (~kromagg@u212-239-146-117.dialup.planetinternet.be) |
| 12:00.39 | looksaus | I'll have a look at this poweroff applet |
| 12:00.48 | looksaus | any pointers to it? |
| 12:00.56 | *** join/#debian Shorty` (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 12:01.14 | filp | looksaus: I just remember something about it, just write a bash script, it's not hard |
| 12:01.30 | cassiopea | I'm having some trouble installing abiword, I'm downloading abiword_2.0.1+cvs.2003.11.07-2.1_i386.deb file from an ftp server, but I don't know what the dependencies are, where can I find that out? |
| 12:01.36 | *** join/#debian keler (~keler@139.Red-217-125-5.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:01.54 | filp | looksaus: give him sudo rights to shutdown stuff with no password and then make a launcer that runs it |
| 12:01.54 | looksaus | it's not hard, but it doesn't solve the general problem |
| 12:02.04 | filp | looksaus: it does |
| 12:02.17 | filp | looksaus: it makes a little button that shuts down the comp |
| 12:02.25 | looksaus | that's a techno-elitist answer |
| 12:02.27 | looksaus | I can do that |
| 12:02.35 | looksaus | but how many other people can? |
| 12:02.44 | looksaus | I want debian to be there for the masses, too |
| 12:03.08 | looksaus | I mean, thank you for your help and all |
| 12:03.25 | filp | looksaus: I'm sure a few extra mouse clicks aren't going to hold back the tides of Linux |
| 12:03.47 | looksaus | this is about a bridge too far |
| 12:03.59 | filp | looksaus: RedHat's got a shutdown from within Gnome, find out how they do it |
| 12:04.12 | looksaus | they patched Gnome, I think... |
| 12:04.18 | looksaus | as they did with the panel |
| 12:04.24 | filp | looksaus: it's all open sourced |
| 12:04.31 | filp | looksaus: patch away |
| 12:04.44 | looksaus | that is not a solution |
| 12:04.57 | filp | looksaus: I beg to differ |
| 12:05.14 | looksaus | sure, it is a technical solution to a technical problem |
| 12:05.34 | looksaus | what I'm trying to tell is |
| 12:05.35 | filp | well it beats hitting it with a cricket bat |
| 12:05.45 | zhoubo | how can i quit from man? |
| 12:05.57 | filp | q |
| 12:05.58 | zaq | zhoubo, q |
| 12:06.04 | zhoubo | thanks! |
| 12:06.17 | filp | zhoubo: man man |
| 12:06.21 | *** join/#debian Crake (~user@tcdec3.bham.ac.uk) |
| 12:06.24 | looksaus | this is a broader problem than just technical |
| 12:06.27 | *** join/#debian Azrael]2 (~azrael@pD9EB6FE4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:06.50 | filp | looksaus: which is? |
| 12:06.50 | looksaus | of course, you could just say |
| 12:07.08 | looksaus | hey, suppose I was a Linux newbie |
| 12:07.19 | looksaus | just being curious |
| 12:07.26 | *** join/#debian quaqo (~quaqo@62-101-126-232.fastres.net) |
| 12:07.28 | zhoubo | sigh,my console is broken,it can't get full-screen.... |
| 12:07.29 | filp | hard to do, but I'll try |
| 12:07.41 | zhoubo | and with unreadable font... |
| 12:07.58 | zhoubo | how can i fix the problem? |
| 12:08.10 | *** join/#debian mipooh (~mipooh@202.129.1.4) |
| 12:08.21 | filp | zhoubo: cat /usr/bin/ls |
| 12:08.44 | filp | zhoubo: /binls |
| 12:08.50 | filp | zhoubo: /bin/ls |
| 12:08.53 | filp | zhoubo: sorry |
| 12:09.00 | Giavol | Hello. Where can I find out whether my UPS is supported in linux, at least in dumb mode? |
| 12:09.08 | zhoubo | cat? |
| 12:09.15 | looksaus | filp, ?? |
| 12:09.21 | *** join/#debian daft (daft@ip3e83ca52.speed.planet.nl) |
| 12:09.23 | filp | looksaus: sorry? |
| 12:09.23 | zhoubo | no such command |
| 12:09.47 | filp | looksaus: I though there was more to come |
| 12:10.15 | looksaus | sorry, I didn't really understand the help you gave to zhoubo |
| 12:10.21 | daft | is there a deb package of usermin? |
| 12:10.32 | looksaus | but back to my problem |
| 12:10.33 | tarzeau | daft: yes in debian sid |
| 12:10.43 | filp | looksaus: if you cat /bin/ls it will reset your console |
| 12:10.51 | looksaus | ah... |
| 12:10.51 | filp | looksaus: quite handy |
| 12:11.02 | daft | :o any backports to woody? |
| 12:11.16 | zhoubo | but what's cat? |
| 12:11.32 | filp | looksaus: or you can type reset, but this way is more techno-elitist |
| 12:11.39 | looksaus | zhoubo, the normal use of cat is to send to |
| 12:11.51 | looksaus | stdout the contents of a file |
| 12:12.10 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-202.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 12:12.14 | *** join/#debian gordonjcp (~gordonjcp@dsl-80-46-160-152.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 12:12.19 | looksaus | filp, I think a solution to the problem |
| 12:12.25 | filp | looksaus: it's actually ment to join files together |
| 12:12.28 | zhoubo | then? |
| 12:12.30 | tarzeau | hi gordonjcp! |
| 12:12.33 | *** join/#debian NickB__ (~nick@dyn-202-89-162-2.arach.net.au) |
| 12:12.59 | gordonjcp | hey tarzeau |
| 12:13.02 | looksaus | _might_ be to create install profiles |
| 12:13.06 | gordonjcp | happy new year |
| 12:13.08 | *** join/#debian cartman (~ismail@62.29.2.69) |
| 12:13.23 | looksaus | but that'll probably be something that has been discussed over and over |
| 12:13.28 | *** part/#debian cartman (~ismail@62.29.2.69) |
| 12:13.43 | looksaus | I don't consider myself a newbie |
| 12:14.00 | *** join/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 12:14.06 | filp | looksaus: good for you |
| 12:14.13 | looksaus | but having to fiddle to get such elementary things right |
| 12:14.27 | looksaus | makes me feel more than a bit uncomfortable |
| 12:14.41 | looksaus | recommending debian to newbies that I'm not going to be able to support |
| 12:14.44 | filp | looksaus: it's not that they are wrong, it's that they are not the way you'd like them |
| 12:14.53 | looksaus | ? |
| 12:15.09 | looksaus | ah, k |
| 12:15.25 | looksaus | I mean, it's ok for myself |
| 12:15.45 | looksaus | it's just that I feel like |
| 12:15.51 | filp | looksaus: talk to the gnome dev team, see what they think |
| 12:15.57 | looksaus | sharing this great |
| 12:16.01 | *** join/#debian hadez (~hadez@pD9EB9786.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:16.07 | looksaus | thing that free software is |
| 12:16.29 | looksaus | look, I talked my boss into free software |
| 12:16.46 | looksaus | even without trying it out (except for OpenOffice.org) |
| 12:16.57 | looksaus | he's saying he's willing to suffer great pain |
| 12:17.11 | looksaus | to switch to free software |
| 12:17.14 | godless | should I get a PVR 250 or 350 ? (talking about the PAL hauppage cards) |
| 12:17.14 | gordonjcp | looksaus: I use debian at work, and frankly I hate the way things work in Debian |
| 12:17.18 | gordonjcp | it pisses me right off |
| 12:17.25 | gordonjcp | which is why I use slackware at home |
| 12:17.39 | filp | gordonjcp: you'll be popular here |
| 12:17.42 | gordonjcp | *but* for the machines at work, Debian is great 'cos it just works |
| 12:17.43 | filp | gordonjcp: :o) |
| 12:17.47 | *** join/#debian ercin (~caldera@212.174.229.132) |
| 12:17.55 | gordonjcp | filp: I'm rather outspoken, it tends to make me unpopular |
| 12:18.09 | looksaus | I agree with gordonjcp completely |
| 12:18.10 | jm_ | I use debian at work and it's lovely |
| 12:18.16 | looksaus | once installed and configured |
| 12:18.25 | looksaus | debian is great |
| 12:18.26 | filp | can we all talk about this in a mature fasion |
| 12:18.38 | looksaus | I mean, about what he's saying about at work |
| 12:18.40 | gordonjcp | filp: I thought I was |
| 12:18.41 | *** join/#debian x11y (~raya@D8913.d.pppool.de) |
| 12:18.45 | filp | gordonjcp: what is it about debian you'd like to change |
| 12:18.46 | looksaus | not about at home, entirely |
| 12:18.49 | filp | gordonjcp: you are |
| 12:18.51 | looksaus | obviously |
| 12:18.52 | gordonjcp | looksaus: it "just works (tm)" |
| 12:19.03 | looksaus | since I use debian at home here |
| 12:19.05 | filp | gordonjcp: just making sure it didn't turn into a flaming troll |
| 12:19.13 | gordonjcp | apt-get is teh b0mbz0r, rpm is tex suxx0r |
| 12:19.17 | gordonjcp | ;-) |
| 12:19.24 | looksaus | not too many people would take the effort to get Debian running on an ibook G4 |
| 12:19.28 | *** join/#debian andre_r (irc_user@pD9E2334D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:19.44 | filp | gordonjcp: you don't have to use apt |
| 12:19.47 | looksaus | just to be able to take good ideas from os x |
| 12:19.56 | looksaus | and get them into free software |
| 12:19.57 | *** join/#debian website (vincenzo@host67-246.pool80117.interbusiness.it) |
| 12:20.25 | *** join/#debian Capkirk (~thomas@staalanden.arkena.dk) |
| 12:20.42 | gordonjcp | filp: no, apt is good |
| 12:21.01 | filp | gordonjcp: so what don't you like about debian? |
| 12:21.14 | gordonjcp | looksaus: you *do* know that the OS X team folded many thousands of patches back into Konqueror? |
| 12:21.15 | w00ter | filp: the idiotic trolls that come in here asking dumb questions |
| 12:21.29 | looksaus | sure |
| 12:21.33 | gordonjcp | filp: it just sticks files in really funny places. WTF is all this /etc/alternatives stuff? |
| 12:21.35 | *** join/#debian newbie_ (~newbie@docs51-43.menta.net) |
| 12:21.42 | filp | w00ter: personal experience? |
| 12:21.48 | looksaus | :) |
| 12:21.50 | Capkirk | question : need to make custom bootkernel as specifyied here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s-rescue-replace-kernel now i want to know if its a problem that i build the kernel on my debian unstable workstation when it should later be installed on a debian woody box? |
| 12:22.28 | Capkirk | the default bootimage bf2.4 dosnt have all the drivers i need |
| 12:23.01 | Capkirk | hence the reason to make a custombootimage with additional drivers to boot up with when i install woody on a server |
| 12:23.02 | filp | gordonjcp: does that really stop you from doing what you need? I never use it. |
| 12:23.12 | tarzeau | Capkirk: there is an easy way to find out |
| 12:23.27 | filp | Capkirk: suck it and see |
| 12:23.45 | *** join/#debian hps (~hps@L0852P24.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 12:23.48 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 12:23.49 | Capkirk | tarzeau: you mean i should try? :) |
| 12:23.59 | tarzeau | Capkirk: yes :) |
| 12:24.03 | Capkirk | filp: suck it? |
| 12:24.05 | tarzeau | Capkirk: don't forget to tell us if it worked |
| 12:24.13 | filp | Capkirk: try it out |
| 12:24.17 | filp | Capkirk: see if it works |
| 12:24.38 | Capkirk | filp: i need to compile the kernel first |
| 12:24.42 | filp | Capkirk: "mommy, will I like this lolly pop?" |
| 12:24.55 | filp | Capkirk: probably help |
| 12:25.10 | Capkirk | filp: think you misunderstood my question =) |
| 12:25.28 | filp | Capkirk: try again and we'll hope for the best |
| 12:25.35 | DelEat | My dmesg is full of these msgs: ###.###.###.### sent an invalid ICMP type 11, code 0 error to a broadcast: ###.###.###.### (my netmask) |
| 12:25.45 | DelEat | what is the cause of it? |
| 12:25.56 | *** join/#debian some-god (~some-god@h18n2fls32o1110.telia.com) |
| 12:26.02 | DelEat | the first IP is 192.168.###.###, which is external from the LAN |
| 12:26.12 | hramrach | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.24 | peterS | do ya'll know what time it is? |
| 12:26.26 | DelEat | hramrach: maybe |
| 12:26.26 | peterS | daily updatedb time! (in my TZ) |
| 12:26.36 | Capkirk | filp: i cant use bootimage on debian woody cd because it lacks some drivers i need to use raidcard in server therefore i need to make additional image an boot up with that now the question is can i make that image on a debian testing machine and use it together with the debian woody iso cd? |
| 12:26.45 | DelEat | peterS: hehe - enjoy |
| 12:27.03 | filp | Capkirk: why don't you just try and see? |
| 12:27.03 | peterS | DelEat: thanks. it seems to have finished now. |
| 12:27.13 | DelEat | peterS: that was quick |
| 12:27.13 | tomf | does anybody know where to find the debmirror-wrapper script? It should habe been on http://people.debian.org/~absurd/debmirror-wrapper - but is there no more.. |
| 12:27.15 | filp | Capkirk: what's the worst that could happen |
| 12:27.23 | peterS | DelEat: well, I didn't type that *right* when it started, of course |
| 12:27.55 | Capkirk | filp: i wanted to ask in here cause i dont wanna waste my time thats it =) |
| 12:27.55 | DelEat | peterS: hehe... thought maybe the spinning of the hd woke you up! |
| 12:27.59 | tomf | anybody know if absurd is still "active"? |
| 12:28.14 | *** join/#debian Virusmaster (~Virus@p5088FE2D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:28.17 | peterS | DelEat: didn't wake me up exactly, but that *was* how I noticed it was 6:25 am. (: |
| 12:28.22 | hramrach | DelEat: but it usually does not get into dmesg :) |
| 12:28.32 | *** join/#debian harshy (~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com) |
| 12:28.47 | harshy | what is the best way ro kill itps that dont need done |
| 12:28.48 | filp | Capkirk: it should make a diff but I'd do it on as close to woody as possible to be safe |
| 12:28.54 | DelEat | hramrach: it goes to stdout for some reason - I would guess auth.log/syslog or something |
| 12:29.15 | zu22 | peterS: have a script that plays some loud music in xmms when u want to wake up :) |
| 12:29.31 | DelEat | hramrach: I was wondering - if it goes in stdout, is it my box sending? |
| 12:29.33 | peterS | zu22: I actually do use 'sleep xxx; ogg123' as an alarm clock |
| 12:29.45 | *** join/#debian claudemir (~claudemir@200.195.151.130) |
| 12:29.46 | skimpIzu | what can i use to see the sizes of all partitions (im booting off a cd) |
| 12:29.50 | claudemir | hi all! |
| 12:29.53 | zu22 | peterS: cool |
| 12:29.56 | DelEat | peterS: seriously? |
| 12:29.59 | peterS | zu22: at least, I used to. my watch alarm works pretty well nowadays, so I haven't for awhile |
| 12:29.59 | jm_ | skimpIzu: cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:30.05 | hramrach | I guess it goes to console, not dmesg nor stdout. |
| 12:30.29 | DelEat | hramrach: it goes to console (which is stdout when I see them) ;-) |
| 12:30.31 | claudemir | where i can find gnome2.4 for debian? |
| 12:30.33 | zu22 | peterS: u are a light sleeper if your watch alarm can rouse u :) i need much volume to awaken |
| 12:30.37 | Capkirk | filp: ill do that |
| 12:30.40 | peterS | DelEat: one evening I was bored so I actually sat and crafted a shell one-liner that showed a countdown clock on a blank screen, updated every second, then blasted music. |
| 12:30.46 | filp | claudemir: unstable |
| 12:30.47 | harshy | claudemir: its in unstable |
| 12:30.52 | skimpIzu | jm_: it exists in that proc, i added it to fstab, yet it says the mount point does not exist |
| 12:31.00 | hramrach | Then it is just something that is logged through syslog |
| 12:31.05 | filp | claudemir don't ask "what's unstable" |
| 12:31.07 | jm_ | skimpIzu: heh mount point, not partition! |
| 12:31.11 | peterS | DelEat: shell math and 'date +%...' gets you a long ways when you're that bored |
| 12:31.16 | DelEat | peterS: but that kind of ruins the idea - but it would be nice to be able to see how much more sleep you can get before waking up - to the sound of nice music? |
| 12:31.19 | *** part/#debian Giavol (user32743@213.91.132.93) |
| 12:31.22 | skimpIzu | jm_: how to make one |
| 12:31.26 | jm_ | skimpIzu: man mkdir |
| 12:31.31 | skimpIzu | jm_: haha ;-) |
| 12:32.37 | *** join/#debian pfote (pfote@pfote2.infosys.de) |
| 12:33.22 | skimpIzu | root@ttyp2[mnt]# mount /dev/hda |
| 12:33.22 | skimpIzu | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, |
| 12:33.22 | skimpIzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.32 | jm_ | /dev/hda is not a partition |
| 12:33.44 | peterS | skimpIzu: /dev/hda is probably partitioned. read /proc/partitions to find out |
| 12:33.52 | skimpIzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.12 | *** join/#debian Juz_visiting (~user@adsl206.wcc.net) |
| 12:34.14 | jm_ | yes exactly ... |
| 12:34.33 | pfote | what is a good way so synchronise logins on a bunch of machines (something like NIS, but without the security issues), what would you guys recommend .. ldap ? |
| 12:34.47 | peterS | pfote: your options are limited. ldap is the main replacement for nis, yeah |
| 12:34.52 | skimpIzu | it says the drive is 10G from dmesg, yet the things in /proc/partition dont add up to that at all |
| 12:34.54 | *** join/#debian idimmu (Jesus@cpc1-port1-3-0-cust26.cos2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:35.03 | jm_ | but you'll have to make a lot of custom stuff with LDAP, unlike NIS |
| 12:35.11 | Juz_visiting | anyone running sid ... is mc.menu missing? or did I some how make mine disappear? |
| 12:35.14 | DelEat | skimpIzu: well, if it's not partitioned to 10gb... |
| 12:35.16 | jm_ | skimpIzu: it is 10G : 3 0 10014480 hda |
| 12:36.02 | pfote | jm_, peterS: any alternatives ? nis+ doesnt seem to be supported by debian (as far as apt says) |
| 12:36.15 | jm_ | pfote: it works as NIS+ client |
| 12:36.22 | peterS | pfote: the 'nis' package has nis+ client support, I believe. I don't know about the server support |
| 12:36.32 | peterS | jm_: you win |
| 12:36.44 | *** join/#debian ferret (~ferret@cpc3-swin3-4-0-cust239.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:36.57 | peterS | pfote: you could use Samba and winbind, but I consider that a bit of a kludge |
| 12:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 641] by debhelper |
| 12:37.18 | *** join/#debian seagull (~seagalste@cm219.gamma40.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 12:37.30 | jm_ | pfote: basically, you can use anything that also has PAM module available - unless you want to write one in which ase you can use anything :) |
| 12:37.52 | *** part/#debian seagull (~seagalste@cm219.gamma40.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 12:37.58 | peterS | pfote: or ... /etc/passwd and scp, but that requires some fancy footwork if you want to allow people to use 'passwd' on local machines |
| 12:38.11 | pfote | also not nice |
| 12:38.44 | pfote | looks like i'm stuck with ldap |
| 12:39.02 | filp | pfote: what wrong with LDAP |
| 12:39.07 | filp | pfote: it's great |
| 12:39.19 | *** join/#debian ircdevil (~maasha@130.226.106.174) |
| 12:39.21 | pfote | filp: that i only have a rough idea about it ;) |
| 12:39.24 | *** part/#debian claudemir (~claudemir@200.195.151.130) |
| 12:39.24 | ircdevil | hi |
| 12:39.36 | *** join/#debian fritz (fritz@a90-m32.net.hinet.hr) |
| 12:39.41 | filp | pfote: Oreilly LDAP book, can't go past it |
| 12:39.43 | fritz | hi ppl |
| 12:39.53 | *** join/#debian luke (~luke@82-133-110-178.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 12:39.53 | filp | pfote: you'll see all the cool things you can do with it |
| 12:39.59 | peterS | pfote: 'libnss-db' is more scalable than /etc/passwd, and you can distribute *that* over scp + cron |
| 12:40.12 | fritz | when i try to load mozillu and connect to inet at the same time, my woody freezes ? |
| 12:40.20 | ircdevil | i got a new box. its not online until i can tell my admin the MAC address of the eth card. however, i have two eth cards, one a gigabit card and one a 100mb card. how to tell the difference? |
| 12:40.22 | peterS | pfote: (once again, clients will be read-only, so make sure they don't try to run 'passwd') |
| 12:40.23 | fritz | can i debug it somehow and figure out the problem? |
| 12:40.54 | pfote | ic |
| 12:40.56 | jm_ | ircdevil: dmesg |
| 12:41.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: or logs in general, drivers often spit it out in there |
| 12:41.44 | peterS | ircdevil: if you built the nic drivers into the kernel, eth0 will probably be the 100mbit card. I think the gigabit ones come later in the probe order |
| 12:41.51 | ircdevil | jm_ im afraid i only have knoppix for now. i have my woody netinst cd ready for when the network is running. but knoppix should have dmesg ... |
| 12:42.07 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes |
| 12:42.36 | jm_ | ircdevil: other then that, check if it has mii-tool |
| 12:42.45 | jm_ | and mii-diag |
| 12:42.59 | jm_ | but that's not something I would rely on |
| 12:43.07 | filp | he he he, just got a support call from a client's kid web designer, can I install front page extensions and ASP to the webserver for them |
| 12:43.14 | skimpIzu | whats the tool to create partitions |
| 12:43.17 | ircdevil | jm_ dmesg did the job ... |
| 12:43.20 | ircdevil | thanx |
| 12:43.33 | peterS | skimpIzu: 'cfdisk' is the friendliest one |
| 12:43.48 | peterS | skimpIzu: you can also use 'fdisk', 'sfdisk', or 'parted' |
| 12:44.28 | pfote | i think i buy a ldap book ... TNX for the advice, guys |
| 12:44.38 | filp | pfote: wont regret it |
| 12:46.13 | tessier_ | Anyone here know how to make my wlan-ng setup associate with an AP? I've RTFM'd and I'm more lost than ever. |
| 12:46.17 | nvz | filp: tell him to go fuck himself, using frontpage doesnt make you a web designer |
| 12:46.36 | tessier_ | nvz: No, it makes you an "html programmer" *ducking* |
| 12:47.00 | nvz | notpad is better than frontpage when it comes to web design |
| 12:47.18 | filp | nvz: I explained that Apache uses more widely adopted standards like perl and PHP, and doesn't support weird outsider crap like ASP |
| 12:47.26 | peterS | nvz: well, note that 'frontpage extensions' != 'frontpage'. it's just an alternate data transfer method |
| 12:47.30 | nvz | I actually liked Topstyle Pro as far as WYSIWYG web dev tools for windows |
| 12:47.35 | peterS | nvz: for uploading pages |
| 12:47.48 | filp | I like lying to clients |
| 12:47.53 | *** join/#debian Vilhelmo (~vilhelmo@pool-68-163-236-191.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:48.27 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 12:48.31 | nvz | peterS: I've used frontpage.. I know about their upload methods. eat, drink, ftp, and be merry |
| 12:48.33 | *** join/#debian Guerin (~magpie@220.123.169.111) |
| 12:49.08 | peterS | nvz: you have to admit that it's a sad world where the most credible method of synching two directory trees turns out to be FTP. |
| 12:49.35 | nvz | peterS: I've yet to see a web provider that uses rsync |
| 12:49.46 | *** part/#debian Juz_visiting (~user@adsl206.wcc.net) |
| 12:49.46 | Cit | oops, wrong network |
| 12:49.47 | filp | nvz: I give them access |
| 12:49.55 | skimpIzu | how to format it ext2 |
| 12:50.12 | nvz | skimpIzu: man mkfs |
| 12:50.13 | peterS | nvz: as may be. they should. it's not like it's *hard* to run rsyncd with a fairly locked down config |
| 12:51.00 | nvz | peterS: yeah and rsync was kinda made to do that sort of thing, and does it much better than ftp |
| 12:51.11 | peterS | nvz: provided of course that they don't mind updating from rsyncd 2.5.6 to 2.5.7 on a moment's notice, as happened last year |
| 12:51.16 | Guerin | I'm having trouble compiling something which requires libltdl - it's installed, but the program exits with an error saying its not present. I've been told by other (non-debian users) that it does compile, normally. |
| 12:51.34 | peterS | nvz: but then, people who run ftpds are no strangers to panicky security updates |
| 12:51.34 | *** join/#debian streuner (~streuner@p50836A79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:52.21 | Guerin | Sorry, let's try again: I'm having trouble compiling something which requires libltdl - it's installed, but the program exits with an error saying its not present. |
| 12:52.29 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.53 | nvz | Guerin: the dev package is what you need to compile not the binary |
| 12:53.00 | peterS | Guerin: libltdl3-dev |
| 12:53.08 | Guerin | yeah, i try to apt-get it and it says its unavailable |
| 12:53.12 | Guerin | ah |
| 12:53.12 | nvz | Guerin: that goes for every build dep |
| 12:53.16 | Guerin | ltdl3-dev |
| 12:53.30 | nvz | Guerin: learn to use apt-cache search, or apt-file |
| 12:54.48 | Guerin | OK, it's coming in now. Cheers for that :) |
| 12:56.48 | *** join/#debian malex (~malex@dhcp56-71.agry.purdue.edu) |
| 12:57.18 | *** join/#debian qip|Virus|da (~Virus@pD9E04DD8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:00.58 | *** join/#debian Joris (~joris@213-193-182-208.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 13:01.03 | *** join/#debian croqueta (~microman@almondiga.sim.ucm.es) |
| 13:01.27 | *** part/#debian croqueta (~microman@almondiga.sim.ucm.es) |
| 13:03.05 | zu22 | p |
| 13:03.10 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@220.84.59.209) |
| 13:03.26 | *** join/#debian ttaranto (~ttaranto@19389.rjo.virtua.com.br) |
| 13:03.34 | streuner | !listkeys gnome |
| 13:03.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gnome' by key returned no results. |
| 13:03.46 | streuner | !status |
| 13:03.47 | dpkg | Since Wed Dec 31 21:18:59 2003, there have been 17 modifications, 907 questions, 337 dunnos, 11 morons and 495 commands. I have been awake for 4d 15h 44m 47s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 17292 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 609.58/33.63 child 953.53/71.13 |
| 13:03.54 | streuner | damn |
| 13:03.57 | ttaranto | how do I send HTML emails with exim ? |
| 13:04.05 | *** join/#debian [Stan] (~Debian-Us@200-171-111-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 13:04.11 | *** join/#debian Clif4D (~clif4d@port84.ds1-aeg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:04.18 | [Stan] | hi all |
| 13:04.47 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: the same way you send any other kind of email.. |
| 13:04.58 | The_Vulture | it's just text/html instead of text/plain.. |
| 13:04.59 | caphuso | ttaranto: like non-HTML emails. exim doesn't care the least bit about |
| 13:05.09 | *** part/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 13:05.12 | *** join/#debian Blknight (~Blknight@CPE-144-137-209-90.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 13:05.16 | Clif4D | How do I start/use kcmlinuz? (running kernel 2.6) |
| 13:05.20 | ttaranto | The_Vulture but i'm tring to use the "mail" commando at PHP and does not work |
| 13:05.24 | *** join/#debian vpb (~vpb@213.149.98.19) |
| 13:05.31 | The_Vulture | how very specific, please, be more vague |
| 13:05.36 | caphuso | !tell ttaranto -about doesn't work |
| 13:05.36 | zu22 | streuner: wow it was not able to answer over 66% of questions |
| 13:05.43 | *** join/#debian looksaus (~mark@kn-upc-1.kuleuven.net) |
| 13:05.55 | zu22 | streuner: s/66%/33% |
| 13:05.56 | caphuso | damnit |
| 13:05.56 | ttaranto | The_Vulture I have a webserver.... apache+php+mysql+exim |
| 13:06.05 | ttaranto | The_Vulture when a use the |
| 13:06.23 | streuner | zu22: the point is that dpkg forgot its factoids... |
| 13:06.38 | ttaranto | The_Vulture when I use de "mail" commando from a php scrip, he only send text emaisl, never send a HTML email |
| 13:06.43 | zu22 | streuner: ah can u fix it? |
| 13:06.47 | tessier_ | wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported |
| 13:06.50 | SlayerXP | if I were nasty, I'd point out that "I have a server" plus "mysql" usually means a cluehole is in charge. |
| 13:06.56 | SlayerXP | luckily I'm a nice person |
| 13:06.59 | tessier_ | Anyone know what can cause that when trying to associate to an ap with wlan-ng? |
| 13:07.07 | SlayerXP | ttaranto: I fail to see why that's a bad thing |
| 13:07.11 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: so when you send "<html><body>foo</body></html>" as text, it just sends "foo"? |
| 13:07.11 | streuner | zu22: no, i don't have access |
| 13:07.17 | The_Vulture | and I'm with SlayerXP on that |
| 13:07.28 | ttaranto | The_Vulture ??? |
| 13:07.37 | zu22 | ~seen electricelf |
| 13:07.41 | | electricelf is currently on #debian (22h 2m 14s) |
| 13:07.47 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: well do you expect it to magically turn the plain text you give it into HTML? |
| 13:07.53 | The_Vulture | or are you actually giving it HTML? |
| 13:07.56 | *** join/#debian Mave (~l@195.175.215.72) |
| 13:07.57 | ttaranto | The_Vulture some emails send <img> and other things.... |
| 13:08.13 | The_Vulture | and what happens when you try to send <img> and other things? |
| 13:08.16 | ttaranto | The_Vulture like newsletter for some clients.... |
| 13:08.22 | The_Vulture | are you saying the email gets through, stripped of all the HTML or what? |
| 13:08.37 | The_Vulture | this really seems like more an issue with your understanding and usage of phps mail libs rather than exim |
| 13:08.57 | The_Vulture | like caphuso said, exim couldn't care less if your email was plain text, html text, binary executables, or anything else |
| 13:08.59 | SlayerXP | clients+webserver+mysql==kiddiot |
| 13:09.02 | *** join/#debian carlos (carlos@IP203-97-106-218.compass.net.nz) |
| 13:09.05 | ttaranto | The_Vulture I recieve the email with <img src='imagens/1x1.gif' width='30' height='1'> |
| 13:09.09 | *** join/#debian Homerr (Justaz@adsl-213-190-52-114.takas.lt) |
| 13:09.17 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: so? that's what you sent. |
| 13:09.21 | SlayerXP | oh, _and_ hiding 1x1 images to track who views it |
| 13:09.39 | ttaranto | The_Vulture <font size='2' face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'> |
| 13:09.44 | The_Vulture | how amusing, and lame.. |
| 13:09.45 | The_Vulture | all at the same time |
| 13:09.53 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: perhaps you need to learn about mime types |
| 13:10.09 | zu22 | ttaranto: it's the job of your mail client to process the HTML, what client are using to read mail? |
| 13:10.34 | ttaranto | The_Vulture but, in the freebsd server with sendmail, or qmail he send html ok |
| 13:10.43 | daxal | well all I can say for that stupid apache-ssl segfault issue I get w/unstable, is, it's a good thing(tm) I have a backup. |
| 13:11.01 | ttaranto | zu22 outlook, evolution.... |
| 13:11.36 | ttaranto | The_Vulture i thinh that could be some conf at exim.. ??/ |
| 13:11.38 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: let's say I Don't believe you |
| 13:11.40 | zu22 | slayerxp: ya, the 1x1 thing is uber lame |
| 13:11.48 | ttaranto | The_Vulture hy? |
| 13:11.49 | *** join/#debian Mutant (~zetamutan@pcd564027.netvigator.com) |
| 13:11.55 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: have you looked at the exact source for the email you received, headers and all |
| 13:12.01 | The_Vulture | compared it? looked for important differences? |
| 13:12.17 | *** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@47.cust2.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) |
| 13:12.44 | vpb | ? |
| 13:12.52 | ttaranto | The_Vulture Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 |
| 13:13.24 | ttaranto | The_Vulture im using the mail from PHP.net website... |
| 13:14.04 | The_Vulture | so you keep telling us |
| 13:14.23 | *** part/#debian carlos (carlos@IP203-97-106-218.compass.net.nz) |
| 13:14.24 | *** join/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 13:14.42 | *** join/#debian wiak (wiak@a217-118-54-226.bluecom.no) |
| 13:14.47 | wiak | where can i find yacc ? |
| 13:14.48 | wiak | :) |
| 13:15.01 | jm_ | on the internet |
| 13:15.03 | SlayerXP | wiak: on the great russian plains. |
| 13:15.06 | Capkirk | does anyone know in which package this tool is included -> debiandoc2text ? |
| 13:15.09 | ttaranto | The_Vulture i migrated from a freebsd + sendmail to linux(debian)+exim and all MAIL functions stop sendind html mails.. |
| 13:15.11 | caphuso | hrm, another two security fixes in the 2.4 kernel |
| 13:15.13 | wiak | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEA |
| 13:15.25 | ttaranto | The_Vulture the other server (debian + qmail) sends html perfect |
| 13:15.33 | jm_ | caphuso: any more details ? |
| 13:15.41 | caphuso | o Andrea Arcangeli: malicious users of mremap() syscall can gain priviledges |
| 13:15.48 | caphuso | o /dev/rtc can leak parts of kernel memory to unpriviledged users |
| 13:15.52 | jm_ | ahh changelog |
| 13:16.02 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: you're missing the point |
| 13:16.08 | caphuso | straight from the 2.4.24-rc1 changelog, including a "Upgrade is recommended." |
| 13:16.10 | The_Vulture | have you compared the actual email source? |
| 13:16.12 | *** join/#debian PiKo (~NNSCRIPT@f07a-8-229.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 13:16.14 | *** join/#debian mrb_ (~mrb@msc16.isa.its.tudelft.nl) |
| 13:16.21 | ttaranto | The_Vulture hy? |
| 13:16.21 | Capkirk | caphuso: not again :( |
| 13:16.23 | The_Vulture | have you considered that you might have a different version of php and the mail functions installed? |
| 13:16.28 | The_Vulture | and stop saying "hy" |
| 13:17.01 | SlayerXP | The_Vulture: don't be silly :) |
| 13:17.02 | zu22 | caphuso: wow 2.4 has been out so long and still getting security fixes? |
| 13:17.24 | ttaranto | The_Vulture the php versio of server (debian + qmail) is the same version of server (debian + exim) |
| 13:17.36 | caphuso | zu22: no, it's not. marcello's just spicing up the changelog a bit to make it look more interesting, but there's really nothing wrong |
| 13:17.46 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: I'd say there are still a lot of other variables that coudl be involved apart from just the MTA |
| 13:17.48 | zu22 | caphuso: *whew* :) |
| 13:17.50 | ttaranto | The_Vulture so the apache..... |
| 13:17.57 | The_Vulture | and in any case, you still haven't looked at the email source as far as I can tell |
| 13:18.08 | The_Vulture | and until you can determine the ACTUAL difference between the mails you are receiving, you aren't going to get far |
| 13:18.09 | caphuso | only other variables are involved, not the MTA |
| 13:18.18 | The_Vulture | once you have that you can work backwards and find out where that difference is coming into the process |
| 13:19.08 | *** join/#debian le-sens-commun (~le-sens-c@dyn-213-36-25-171.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 13:19.20 | ttaranto | The_Vulture but the php versions apache versions, debian, all the same |
| 13:19.29 | *** join/#debian Craigo (~Wizball@yuki.mth.uea.ac.uk) |
| 13:19.52 | The_Vulture | you're still missing several of the rather important points.. |
| 13:19.58 | ttaranto | The_Vulture one server have qmail, other exim.. even the hardware is the same ... |
| 13:20.02 | Craigo | anyone here manage to get cacti working properly? |
| 13:20.12 | ttaranto | The_Vulture like what ? |
| 13:20.27 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: For f*cks sake read the smegging email source, examine the headers, find out what the real difference is, work backwards and find out where that difference is being created |
| 13:20.56 | The_Vulture | the mere fact that you are using debian in comparison to freebsd introduces a whole host of possible variations, packages are different, defaults are different, minor version numbers are probably different |
| 13:20.59 | ttaranto | The_Vulture i did it 10000 times before enter here! |
| 13:21.02 | The_Vulture | and there are more applications involved in the whole process |
| 13:21.22 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: so, if you've looked at the source to the email (headers and all), what's the ACTUAL Difference between the mails that "work" and those that "don't"? |
| 13:21.25 | ttaranto | The_Vulture i have a another debian+qmail+apache+php... |
| 13:21.29 | The_Vulture | which headers were different? in what way was the content different? etc? |
| 13:21.34 | *** part/#debian harshy (~harshy@dhcp024-208-175-126.columbus.rr.com) |
| 13:21.47 | The_Vulture | so now we're comparing two debian systems, I thought you mentioned some freebsd/sendmail thing? |
| 13:21.54 | ttaranto | The_Vulture if I know, I wouldn't be here... |
| 13:22.04 | ttaranto | The_Vulture i have 3 server |
| 13:22.21 | The_Vulture | I told you to look at the damn source.. |
| 13:22.36 | *** part/#debian Craigo (~Wizball@yuki.mth.uea.ac.uk) |
| 13:22.40 | The_Vulture | don't you know how to look at an email? at the email itself, not some representation of it provided by your email client.. |
| 13:22.48 | The_Vulture | the headers and all, as I've told you to N times already |
| 13:22.49 | ttaranto | The_Vulture one (debian+qmail+apache+mysql+php) server 2(debian+apache+php+exim) server 3(freebsd+apache+php) |
| 13:23.04 | The_Vulture | and you are claiming that server 1 and server 3 do what you want and server 2 does not? |
| 13:23.10 | *** join/#debian [Caliban] (caliban@white.ruled.org) |
| 13:23.13 | [Caliban] | u suck |
| 13:23.14 | *** join/#debian abcnew (~abcnew@203.210.132.49) |
| 13:23.15 | *** part/#debian [Caliban] (caliban@white.ruled.org) |
| 13:23.20 | ttaranto | The_Vulture the qmail at debian and sendmail at freebsd works fine.. |
| 13:23.20 | *** join/#debian quaqo (~quaqo@62-101-126-232.fastres.net) |
| 13:23.39 | The_Vulture | ttaranto: ok, now go find two emails, one that you think is correct, one that isn't |
| 13:23.39 | ^chattr | there's a new local root -> http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0012-mremap.txt |
| 13:23.43 | jm_ | caphuso: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0012-mremap.txt |
| 13:23.46 | jm_ | ahh ;) |
| 13:23.49 | jm_ | sorry |
| 13:23.53 | The_Vulture | find the _source_ of the emails, with all the headers, and other fun stuff |
| 13:24.00 | The_Vulture | compare them carefully |
| 13:24.24 | quaqo | Hello |
| 13:24.30 | *** join/#debian Jonzl|weg (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 13:24.34 | zu22 | quago: greetings |
| 13:24.42 | wiak | what do i need to get the lex command to work? |
| 13:24.49 | jm_ | wiak: flex and bison |
| 13:24.56 | wiak | ok :) |
| 13:24.59 | quaqo | *q: Some1 can help me? I'm using framebuffer @ boot, so I've got console@1280x1024, but its screen position is not the same as the X one... |
| 13:25.27 | quaqo | So when I center the screen with X, the console is left-cutted |
| 13:25.32 | quaqo | and vice-versa |
| 13:27.04 | wiak | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:27.05 | wiak | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:27.06 | wiak | hmm |
| 13:27.09 | wiak | command? :P |
| 13:27.15 | gordonjcp | quaqo: check the scan rates |
| 13:27.27 | quaqo | gordonjcp: On X? |
| 13:27.29 | *** join/#debian java2 (~cdm@200-103-147-018.ctame7041.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 13:27.37 | mfbian | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.43 | mfbian | what cause this problem in squid |
| 13:28.33 | iscsi | Oha, RedHat has already released bunch of fixed kernel against mremap |
| 13:28.39 | *** join/#debian Naso (~naso@ns2.rightnet.net) |
| 13:28.43 | *** part/#debian java2 (~cdm@200-103-147-018.ctame7041.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 13:28.43 | wiak | help? |
| 13:28.53 | iscsi | that's quick, since when did they know the bug? |
| 13:28.53 | SlayerXP | mfbian: you'll need to be more specific. afaik, there are no known problems with the current squid ssl proxying |
| 13:29.00 | Guerin | wiak: su |
| 13:29.16 | wiak | su? |
| 13:29.16 | Naso | does anyone knows how to install debian on megaraid ? |
| 13:29.24 | SlayerXP | Naso: yes, someone does./ |
| 13:29.33 | Naso | :-) |
| 13:29.34 | Guerin | wiak: are you root? |
| 13:29.35 | *** join/#debian minded (~minded@minded.xs4all.nl) |
| 13:29.38 | *** join/#debian Active2 (~Active2@141.252.171.58) |
| 13:29.40 | *** join/#debian Zoiah (Zoiah@matryoshka.zoiah.net) |
| 13:29.44 | wiak | yep |
| 13:30.13 | *** part/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 13:30.18 | wiak | its someting in apt-get that i quit |
| 13:30.27 | wiak | like when it downloaded :/ |
| 13:30.36 | SlayerXP | mfbian: and your question is answered in the Squid FAQ. Go read it. |
| 13:30.45 | *** join/#debian nwo (nwo@pD4B9E122.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:30.47 | mfbian | SlayerXP: i can't be more specific, it's the error from log file when i access a ssl site |
| 13:30.54 | SlayerXP | mfbian: Your question is answered in the Squid FAQ. Go read it. |
| 13:31.12 | Naso | is that someone here :P? |
| 13:31.26 | SlayerXP | Naso: maybe. |
| 13:31.38 | wiak | <-- need to remove the temp install! |
| 13:31.52 | wiak | any resume for apt-get ??? |
| 13:32.05 | caphuso | wiak: it auto-resumes |
| 13:32.08 | *** join/#debian BadOxygen (~BadOxygen@pD9E418FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:32.13 | wiak | eh |
| 13:32.22 | Naso | hmm :) |
| 13:32.25 | wiak | caphuso |
| 13:32.26 | wiak | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:32.26 | wiak | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:32.41 | *** join/#debian iLLf8d (~neener@user-0can1b0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:32.48 | *** join/#debian gino (~gino@ANice-205-1-4-104.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:33.01 | wiak | but any command for manualy resume it??? |
| 13:33.19 | *** join/#debian nwo_ (nwo@p3EE00065.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:33.41 | streuner | wiak: are you able to read what it want to say? |
| 13:33.57 | varsis | wiak: I would have answered your question, but you used multiple question marks |
| 13:33.58 | caphuso | streuner: silly question |
| 13:33.59 | Naso | SlayerXP: i need to get megaraid modules .. but they are available only for redhat :( it is HP prolian |
| 13:34.01 | SlayerXP | wiak: that usually means you have apt/dselect/aptitude running elsewhere |
| 13:34.01 | varsis | :) |
| 13:34.31 | SlayerXP | Naso: rubbish. megaraid cards have been supported in the vanilla kernel since at least 2.0.31 |
| 13:34.36 | wiak | [14:33:39] [streuner]: wiak: are you able to read what it want to say? <-- hmm when? |
| 13:34.45 | *** join/#debian kristerp (~kristerp@odin.hiof.no) |
| 13:34.47 | iLLf8d | lo all I know this isn't the place to be asking this however I only use nix and bsd and I was hoping someone in here might have an answer, is there driver support for a voodoo3 in winxp (its for my parents box they'd be lost with a nix variant)? |
| 13:34.51 | varsis | <wiak:#debian> but any command for manualy resume it??? |
| 13:34.57 | kristerp | where do i find a netinstall image (sarge)? |
| 13:35.26 | Naso | SlayerXP: where ... i could not found any just cmd649 chipset |
| 13:35.29 | streuner | ~d-i backup |
| 13:35.31 | | hmm... backup d-i images is http://freedesktop.org/~daniel/d-i/ (sarge netinst iso backup); they're even signed!, or see /topic #debian-boot |
| 13:35.37 | *** join/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 13:35.54 | *** join/#debian defstrum (~root@CPE0050bac0f4cc-CM014100009822.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 13:36.10 | streuner | wiak: another process locks the db, so dpkg or apt-get still running... |
| 13:36.59 | Joris | can someone adapt the topic to reflect this? http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0012-mremap.txt |
| 13:37.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 647] by debhelper |
| 13:37.05 | iLLf8d | no closet xp users in here? heh |
| 13:37.09 | *** join/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host249-31.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 13:37.17 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 13:37.25 | streuner | iLLf8d: troll elsewhere |
| 13:37.32 | iLLf8d | i'm not trolling |
| 13:37.45 | SlayerXP | iLLf8d: I'm a closet XP user. hth. |
| 13:37.46 | jm_ | iLLf8d: what support ? you mean it doesn't work with vga driver ? |
| 13:37.50 | wiak | streuner: o know that |
| 13:38.14 | iLLf8d | I dunno I'm planning on sending them home with a drive installed and i'm not sure it'll recognize their card |
| 13:38.25 | jm_ | use VGA driver, it should |
| 13:38.29 | iLLf8d | wish I could force debian on them |
| 13:38.33 | iLLf8d | would make things alot easier |
| 13:38.54 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@200.b.011.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 13:39.06 | *** part/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 13:39.37 | *** join/#debian Chameleon21 (~ffddssaa@dsl-242.122.240.220.lns02-dryb-mel.dsl.comindico.com.au) |
| 13:39.39 | iLLf8d | anyone know the status of that shockwave petition for linux? |
| 13:39.44 | iLLf8d | just curious |
| 13:39.49 | wiak | streuner: but how do i resume apt-get ? |
| 13:40.02 | wiak | it is running in backgrund |
| 13:40.12 | iLLf8d | wiak fg to foreground it |
| 13:40.13 | streuner | wiak: just stop |
| 13:40.19 | streuner | wiak: it |
| 13:40.51 | wiak | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 13:40.51 | wiak | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 13:40.58 | *** join/#debian nobody_at_nowher (~jbecker@host01.fachschaft.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 13:41.00 | *** join/#debian voice (~astala@pD9FF9D44.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:41.00 | caphuso | wiak: reboot |
| 13:41.09 | wiak | and it do not SAY any ting in apt-get --help |
| 13:41.09 | *** join/#debian debian (~xybernaut@193.140.142.37) |
| 13:41.24 | *** join/#debian luke (~luke@82-133-110-178.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 13:41.25 | *** join/#debian leonel (~leonel@dsl-200-67-23-219.prod-infinitum.com.mx) |
| 13:41.26 | Capkirk | question regarding the kernel.sh script in the boot-floppies packages the boot-floppies dir is placed in /usr/src/boot-floppies/ and my compiled kernel image is in /usr/src/*.deb |
| 13:41.39 | *** join/#debian jhansk01 (~jhansk01@198.109.32.13) |
| 13:41.44 | Capkirk | now im running the script like this : ./kernel.sh . 2.4.23 bf2.4_10.00.Custom_i386 |
| 13:42.03 | Capkirk | but i get error : can't find package, or no such package, 'kernel-image-2.4.23-bf2.4_10.00.Custom_i386' |
| 13:42.22 | Capkirk | allthough my packages is named : kernel-image-2.4.23-bf2.4_10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 13:43.17 | *** join/#debian leumaS (samuel@h81172134028.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) |
| 13:43.26 | *** part/#debian trondaso (~trondaso@44.80-202-72.nextgentel.com) |
| 13:45.31 | streuner | Capkirk: heh? |
| 13:46.02 | *** join/#debian icewalker (~brucej@delta-flyer.muh.musc.edu) |
| 13:46.22 | *** join/#debian radical (~radical@141.39.208.101) |
| 13:46.37 | *** join/#debian spacecowboy (~tedgarlan@216.20.103.117) |
| 13:46.38 | spacecowboy | morning all |
| 13:46.48 | iscsi | 2.4.24-rc1 anyone? :D |
| 13:47.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 653] by debhelper |
| 13:47.12 | streuner | Capkirk: i have no idea about boot-floppies, but why not just point in the sh to the package? |
| 13:47.21 | iscsi | kernelbug, so it must be monday or weekend |
| 13:47.29 | Capkirk | streuner: dosnt work |
| 13:47.30 | leonel | <iscsi> 2.4.24-rc1 anyone? :D <- Working on |
| 13:47.34 | Capkirk | streuner: have tried that |
| 13:48.07 | *** join/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 13:48.22 | *** join/#debian arauko_ (~arauko@del-03-139.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 13:48.25 | spacecowboy | iscsi why don't you just go 2.6? |
| 13:48.26 | streuner | Capkirk: try #debian-boot |
| 13:48.43 | Capkirk | streuner: ahh thanks |
| 13:48.54 | iscsi | spacecowboy: woody? |
| 13:49.03 | *** join/#debian smoser (~smoser@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 13:49.05 | *** join/#debian Active2 (~Active2@141.252.171.58) |
| 13:49.07 | spacecowboy | iscsi ? |
| 13:49.14 | spacecowboy | iscsi i run sid |
| 13:49.22 | spacecowboy | iscsi and you run woody? |
| 13:49.23 | iscsi | nice for you |
| 13:49.26 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-139.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 13:50.00 | iscsi | I use woody, if I need sarge / sid, I use debootstrap |
| 13:50.00 | spacecowboy | iscsi ? |
| 13:50.07 | *** join/#debian le-sens-commun (~le-sens-c@dyn-213-36-104-52.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 13:50.09 | spacecowboy | cool |
| 13:50.16 | spacecowboy | iscsi so why don't you run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:50.30 | wiak | what is msgfmt apart of? :) |
| 13:50.48 | streuner | ~find msgfmt |
| 13:50.56 | streuner | wiak: /msg apt search |
| 13:52.02 | wiak | but what packages or program do i need to get that command? :) |
| 13:52.26 | streuner | wiak: you need learn to read it seems to me, just open your eyes |
| 13:52.41 | *** join/#debian toni (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 13:52.46 | wiak | -14:51:11- [apt]: Debian Search of 'msgfmt' (6 shown; 12 total): (/usr/bin/msgfmt) in devel/gettext ;; (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/msgfmt.py) in mail/mailman ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/xview_msgfmt) in devel/xviewg-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/kbabel/msgfmt.h) in libdevel/kbabel-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/gettext-doc/msgfmt.1.html) in doc/gettext-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/icu-doc/html/msgfmt_8h-source.html) in doc/icu-doc. |
| 13:52.57 | wiak | oh |
| 13:53.00 | wiak | see it now :D |
| 13:53.06 | caphuso | read, not paste |
| 13:53.06 | *** join/#debian jor (~jor@adsl219194.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 13:53.13 | *** join/#debian L00thar (jjazz@tor58-18b-197-246.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 13:53.36 | wiak | caphuso: is only one line like this ONE mowhahah :P |
| 13:54.00 | caphuso | wiak: you're a moron |
| 13:54.21 | *** join/#debian PiKo (~NNSCRIPT@f07a-8-229.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 13:54.30 | js__ | lol |
| 13:54.59 | wiak | lol |
| 13:55.10 | *** join/#debian Jonzl|weg (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 13:56.48 | iscsi | lol-echo |
| 13:56.58 | *** join/#debian DMJC (~DMJC@220-244-58-134-sa.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:57.00 | *** join/#debian nt0x (~sheyz@pool-129-44-142-36.buff.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:57.12 | *** join/#debian elephantman (martin@APuteaux-102-1-1-113.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:57.43 | *** join/#debian andre_r (irc_user@pD9E2334D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:57.45 | L00thar | If I'm not mistaken, lk2.6.0 doesn't have UDF packet-writing actually in the code -- a patch has to be gotten. This is right? |
| 13:57.49 | *** join/#debian HE_ (identistdo@p213.54.110.30.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:58.08 | *** join/#debian hhaamu (~hhaamu@KDCCXIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 13:58.20 | nt0x | How do I add a script or something, so when I create a user account, it automatically adds a public_html folder in their dir, then does all the symlink stuff to /var/www ? Or is there any documentation on it available? |
| 13:58.39 | The_Vulture | what symlink stuff? |
| 13:58.45 | *** join/#debian buckwad (~damon@3ffe:bc0:85f:2:0:0:0:1) |
| 13:58.46 | Covener | nt0x: No symlinks, it's in the apache config to look in userdirs. |
| 13:58.54 | The_Vulture | it Just Works |
| 13:59.00 | caphuso | nt0x: mkdir /etc/skel/public_html |
| 13:59.00 | *** join/#debian pngwn (pngwn@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:cda7:6106) |
| 13:59.07 | The_Vulture | they create a public_html (or you could provide that in skel) and put stuff in it |
| 13:59.28 | The_Vulture | apache is configured to look at all the user directories for that, and it does, and there is much rejoicing |
| 13:59.33 | zu22 | yikes my irc log is over 2 MB for this session heh |
| 13:59.54 | nt0x | ok, thats solves that, how do i set it up so the users page is http://www.blah.com/~user ? |
| 13:59.55 | *** join/#debian sussudio (Suss@81.68.131.0) |
| 14:00.30 | caphuso | nt0x: it's http://www.blah.com/~user/ |
| 14:00.32 | *** join/#debian bkw__ (~bkw@195.242.58.173) |
| 14:00.45 | nt0x | automatically? sweet |
| 14:01.31 | *** join/#debian tam (~tam@linuxrulesthe.net) |
| 14:01.40 | *** join/#debian looksaus (~mark@kn-upc-1.kuleuven.net) |
| 14:02.07 | nt0x | (The_Vulture) I just dont know where to get a good, start to finish doc for it, one that lays it out nice and simple, but to the point, is it all Apache Docs?? |
| 14:02.33 | *** join/#debian amblin (~youwish@cosmo.itlab.musc.edu) |
| 14:02.36 | pngwn | nt0x, you'll never find it by not looking |
| 14:02.45 | *** join/#debian prox (prox@3ffe:b80:d6e:ffff:0:0:0:4) |
| 14:02.52 | nt0x | (pngwn) true |
| 14:03.18 | *** join/#debian PlaYmo (spammehere@x1-6-00-00-1c-d9-7c-28.k151.webspeed.dk) |
| 14:03.31 | pngwn | apache.org is good |
| 14:04.00 | *** join/#debian Wazer (~Administr@pcp07928687pcs.harwd01.md.comcast.net) |
| 14:05.06 | zu22 | wow it's been over a month and packages.debian.org is still down, do we know how/why the servers were compromised? was it some idiot RH/slackware user? i hope the servers get back up soon |
| 14:05.09 | *** join/#debian Midian (midian@adsl-36-92.regionline.fi) |
| 14:05.27 | gordonjcp | zu22: we could tell you but then we'd have to kill you |
| 14:05.34 | sussudio | ~kill zu22 |
| 14:05.37 | | ACTION shoots a proton gun at zu22 |
| 14:05.53 | zu22 | godonjcp: so sometimes ignorance truly is bliss ;) |
| 14:06.04 | *** part/#debian moustic (~Moustic@bostik6989-nat.clients.easynet.fr) |
| 14:06.09 | zu22 | sussudio: heh |
| 14:06.11 | sussudio | zu22: 350 million USians can't be wrong. |
| 14:06.19 | *** join/#debian ircdevil (~maasha@130.226.106.174) |
| 14:06.32 | zu22 | sussudio: (: |
| 14:06.35 | *** join/#debian quant (~user@82-38-99-138.cable.ubr02.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 665] by debhelper |
| 14:07.03 | *** join/#debian absolon (~absolon@jeeves.stud.ntnu.no) |
| 14:07.03 | ircdevil | say, i have a rather old woody netinst cd. and it is not able to locate my netware (knoppix does). should i get another netinst iso? |
| 14:07.14 | jm_ | netware ? |
| 14:07.16 | *** join/#debian LoRez (lorez@lorez.staff.freenode) |
| 14:07.21 | ircdevil | jm_ hardware for network |
| 14:07.26 | quant | you know the files in /etc/init.d, what's that scripting language called? |
| 14:07.26 | *** join/#debian Wazer (~wazer@pcp07928687pcs.harwd01.md.comcast.net) |
| 14:07.34 | jm_ | ircdevil: you mean it can't detect your NIC ? |
| 14:07.38 | LoRez | quant: bash |
| 14:07.47 | sussudio | "Will Intel Ship an x86-64bit Chip This Year?" - will anyone care? |
| 14:07.47 | LoRez | quant: aka shell scripting |
| 14:08.01 | ircdevil | jm_ well, it cant even locate hard disk i just realize |
| 14:08.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: heh |
| 14:08.15 | *** part/#debian Blknight (~Blknight@CPE-144-137-209-90.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 14:08.22 | ircdevil | jm_ scsi deligth |
| 14:08.26 | jm_ | icd;you can use knoppix's kernel |
| 14:08.27 | quant | LoRez: ok, and using bash is there a way to get the location of the currently running file? |
| 14:08.31 | caphuso | LoRez: it's sh, not bash |
| 14:08.35 | *** join/#debian T-BOY (~T-BOY@203.130.199.73) |
| 14:08.45 | LoRez | caphuso: which, by definition in #debian, is bash. |
| 14:08.46 | ircdevil | jm_ is there an easy way to do a debian install via knoppix? |
| 14:08.47 | peterS | sussudio: and if they do, will it be gratuitously incompatible with AMD64 in the hopes that they still have the power to throw their weight around whenever they want? |
| 14:09.01 | LoRez | quant: man bash |
| 14:09.06 | caphuso | LoRez: it's as much bash by definition as the kernel is 2.2.20 |
| 14:09.06 | *** join/#debian bit1 (~Jose@80.102.84.160) |
| 14:09.11 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes, it's documented on knoppix site |
| 14:09.24 | *** part/#debian T-BOY (~T-BOY@203.130.199.73) |
| 14:09.26 | *** join/#debian freck (~chris@pD954132C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:09.36 | streuner | ircdevil: /msg apt di |
| 14:09.54 | streuner | uh, no :-) |
| 14:09.56 | ircdevil | jm_ ok. but could i get a frech woody netinst iso with better scsi support and netword adaptor support? |
| 14:10.07 | caphuso | LoRez: it's perfectly valid to replace /bin/sh with ash, for example, and all the files in /etc/init.d/ starting with #!/bin/sh (there are a few #!/bin/bash ones) must still work |
| 14:10.23 | jm_ | ircdevil: you can probably find 2.4.20 kernel on some image I guess, or maybe try sarge netinst ISO |
| 14:10.25 | caphuso | err, not replace, symlink to |
| 14:10.29 | bit1 | is mod_gd module (from php4) stable? |
| 14:10.43 | LoRez | caphuso: he doesn't know what it's called in the first place. you confuse his n00bness with all that =) |
| 14:10.47 | *** join/#debian coalfire (~nilandry@186-95.SPEEDe.golden.net) |
| 14:10.48 | streuner | ircdevil: d-i backup use 2.4.23 AFAIK |
| 14:10.49 | ircdevil | jm_ sarge netinst iso hmmm |
| 14:10.51 | sussudio | peterS: nobody in their right mind would buy an intel over and AMD these days |
| 14:11.05 | *** join/#debian vco_ (~verbal@xx180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:11.15 | peterS | sussudio: not in x86-64 space, no |
| 14:11.28 | peterS | sussudio: for once I think AMD finally took the initiative away from Intel |
| 14:11.50 | ircdevil | streuner what kernel does it run on? |
| 14:11.57 | *** join/#debian natron (foobar@65.114.118.98) |
| 14:12.09 | streuner | ircdevil: 2.4.23 |
| 14:12.11 | sussudio | peterS: there was a test a couple of weeks ago where a duron 1200mhz beat the crap out of a p4 2.4ghz in most things..... |
| 14:12.30 | ircdevil | streuner will it work as a netinst iso? |
| 14:12.33 | peterS | sussudio: I didn't hear of that one. memory bandwidth issues or something? one has to wonder |
| 14:12.44 | streuner | ircdevil: of course |
| 14:12.56 | ircdevil | streuner ok, ill burn and test. you hang on! |
| 14:12.58 | sussudio | peterS: no, probably the pipeline that's too long with the p4..... |
| 14:13.02 | *** join/#debian Justaz (Justaz@adsl-213-190-52-114.takas.lt) |
| 14:13.10 | *** join/#debian colde86 (frank@brln-d9b80736.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 14:13.14 | peterS | sussudio: right. too much stalling |
| 14:13.24 | petemc | streuner: its not very small, the iso mentioned the custom netinst iso is prolly better, if it supports your nic |
| 14:13.33 | *** join/#debian chris2 (~chris@p50914816.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:13.48 | madness | sussudio: got a link to that test perchance ? |
| 14:13.54 | Wazer | anandtech had a 1.6 duron taking a 1.8a p4 but thats the only review ive seen recently |
| 14:13.59 | sussudio | peterS: the only reason intel is still selling p4's is because dell/hp/gateway sell them...... |
| 14:17.23 | sussudio | madness: i think it was on slashdot. budget cpu test or something. |
| 14:17.23 | zu22 | ugh it is sick when i see what i paid on intel p3/500 chip 3.5 years ago and what i could buy now at that price :( |
| 14:17.23 | colde86 | somebody knows if if thypoon modem quik - com 56k is supportet in woody ?? |
| 14:17.23 | Naso | SlayerXP: did i say that it is ATA Megaraid not SCSI |
| 14:17.23 | Wazer | it was a 100 dollar processor review....the celerons were a joke www.anandtech.com |
| 14:17.23 | peterS | sussudio: that's a pretty powerful reason. if you want to buy a 64-way x86 system, your options are pretty limited. SGI or SGI, basically. and that'll be Intel Xeon. |
| 14:17.23 | *** join/#debian caphuso_ (~caphuso@p5083D702.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:17.23 | petemc | colde86: is it a real modem? |
| 14:17.23 | peterS | sussudio: leave aside the question of how big *that* market is |
| 14:17.23 | sussudio | zu22: and it gets about half the performance of my athlon 800.... |
| 14:17.23 | streuner | ircdevil: anyway, dpkg had a factoid with debian-installer, a lot of different netinstall-images are avaiable :-) |
| 14:17.23 | *** join/#debian deedaw (norm@198.146.7.245) |
| 14:17.23 | SlayerXP | Naso: you didn't, no |
| 14:17.23 | streuner | ircdevil: the factoid called di |
| 14:17.23 | colde86 | petemc :: pcmica ... |
| 14:17.23 | streuner | @di |
| 14:17.23 | ravenbird | [di] http://www.digitallyimported.com - the best trance/euro/classical radio on the net |
| 14:17.23 | Naso | ok now i do :) |
| 14:17.23 | zu22 | susssudio: ya, now i feel even more nauseous :) |
| 14:17.24 | Naso | is there any difference ? |
| 14:17.25 | *** join/#debian Hagar (~harm@217.120.176.240) |
| 14:17.25 | petemc | colde86: google to see if its supported by linux, if it is, its supported by woody |
| 14:17.25 | colde86 | petemc :: yes |
| 14:17.25 | Naso | help for the scsi driver says all megaraid scsi cards |
| 14:17.25 | streuner | petemc: didn't you mentioned the factoid 'dIi? |
| 14:17.25 | Wazer | I just updated one of my computers kt133a with from a 700tbird to a 1.6 duron talk about a big difference for 40 bucks |
| 14:17.25 | streuner | colde86: have you tried man fdformat yesterday? |
| 14:17.25 | *** join/#debian fjavier (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:17.25 | petemc | streuner: di, and custom netinst, tho the url mentioned in custom netinst is in di |
| 14:17.25 | sussudio | zu22: i got a few p2-266's with 32mb/matrox g100 agp card/2.3GB quantum fireball + miditower for 35 euro each last week. that's about 40 dollah US. |
| 14:17.25 | fjavier | hi |
| 14:17.25 | ircdevil | now, how do i burn an img file with nero ... ? |
| 14:17.25 | Wazer | you can enable the l2 on the new durons to make them a full athlon xp also |
| 14:17.25 | *** join/#debian MiXeN|ZzZ (~mikkel2@0x50a45569.boanxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 14:17.25 | streuner | petemc: yeah, but dpkg forgot its factoids |
| 14:17.27 | petemc | ircdevil: skip the wizard, go to file -> burn imake |
| 14:17.27 | petemc | image |
| 14:17.27 | petemc | streuner: ahh |
| 14:17.27 | streuner | petemc: and ravenbird or apt have different onces |
| 14:17.27 | fjavier | ircdevil, double click it when you see it in folder |
| 14:17.28 | petemc | streuner: i'll sort it now |
| 14:17.28 | ircdevil | patemc yes, it allows, iso, bin and cue. no img |
| 14:17.28 | caphuso | ircdevil: iso |
| 14:17.28 | Wazer | i picked up a 440BX/Slocket/1ghz celery for around 40 bucks recently |
| 14:17.28 | quant | is there a way to just read the first line of a file with bash? |
| 14:17.28 | Wazer | but not a full system |
| 14:17.28 | jm_ | ircdevil: file -> burn as image |
| 14:17.28 | caphuso | quant: no, but you can use head |
| 14:17.28 | fjavier | ircdevil, and nero opens an wizard to help you |
| 14:17.28 | zu22 | sussudio: whoa good deal, where u buy em? |
| 14:18.04 | sussudio | they were 2 440BX'es and 2 440LX'es |
| 14:18.04 | sussudio | zu22: they were used |
| 14:18.04 | quant | caphuso: thanks |
| 14:18.04 | sussudio | Piggy's running on one now |
| 14:18.05 | ircdevil | well, it asks me about foreign image settings. data mode 1, raw, block size and so on |
| 14:18.05 | Wazer | Ive done some pulls to get some 440lx/400a systems |
| 14:18.10 | zu22 | sussudio: cool, do u ever overclock? i never tried it caz i worried about damaging chip |
| 14:18.32 | quant | caphuso: would it be possible to create a loop and read a directory of files, executing whatever is inside? |
| 14:18.33 | sussudio | zu22: there's not much of a point, is there? i did it a bit with 486's and p1's. |
| 14:18.39 | *** part/#debian fjavier (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:18.42 | *** join/#debian Firehand (adrian@shadow.firehand.nu) |
| 14:18.48 | Wazer | lol i think im one of the few overclocking kiddies around here |
| 14:18.54 | caphuso | quant: yes |
| 14:18.58 | zu22 | sussudio: ya with modern processors not much benefit |
| 14:19.00 | Wazer | 1.73axp@2.5 |
| 14:19.01 | quant | caphuso: excellent... |
| 14:19.10 | sussudio | the 440BX boards will take slot 1 p3's up to about 600mhz too |
| 14:19.14 | *** join/#debian chaz (~chaz@cp.starryskies.com) |
| 14:19.22 | zu22 | wazer: u chip is gonna over heat :) |
| 14:19.24 | petemc | is dpkg (the bot) completely broken? |
| 14:19.26 | sussudio | it's a matter of pluggin them over and flipping a dipswitch. |
| 14:19.36 | caphuso | petemc: not completely, but pretty much |
| 14:19.39 | streuner | petemc: /msg dpkg status |
| 14:19.41 | *** join/#debian website (vincenzo@host99-246.pool80117.interbusiness.it) |
| 14:19.43 | zu22 | petemc: it's factoids not working |
| 14:19.52 | petemc | streuner: yes, but its not taking new factoids |
| 14:20.22 | Wazer | zu22: i got swiftech inside with a 92mm tornado |
| 14:20.22 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: are you awake? |
| 14:20.26 | Wazer | not exactly quiet |
| 14:20.26 | streuner | petemc: it says OK, but not store anything. |
| 14:20.26 | zu22 | wazer: Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrr :) |
| 14:20.45 | Wazer | exactly ;) |
| 14:20.48 | Wazer | im gonna put water on it soon though |
| 14:20.59 | sussudio | i just replaced a $5 slot 1 coolingblock/fan in one of the pc's. it's very very quiet. |
| 14:21.05 | Wazer | the biggest difference is moving from the 133fsb to the 200fsb though |
| 14:21.23 | petemc | ~+di |
| 14:21.25 | | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 14:21.25 | L00thar | If I'm not mistaken, lk2.6.0 doesn't have UDF packet-writing actually in the code -- a patch has to be gotten. This is right? |
| 14:21.39 | Wazer | axiontech had celeron 1ghz copermines pulled for 20 bucks a week ago purchased one for my 440bx |
| 14:21.46 | *** join/#debian fjavier (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:21.56 | ciga | where will the new mremap show up in the debian mailing lists? |
| 14:22.22 | caphuso | ciga: hopefully in the -security* ones |
| 14:22.31 | *** join/#debian fjavier_ (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:22.33 | *** part/#debian fjavier (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:22.34 | *** join/#debian khirano (~wx2k-hrn@o149021.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 14:22.41 | jm_ | L00thar: check dvd+rw tools page |
| 14:22.47 | *** join/#debian Javi87 (~javi87@h-64-105-65-166.PHNDAZ91.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 14:22.48 | *** join/#debian shane (~shane@m086-183.nv.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:22.54 | ciga | caphuso: I'm wainting in the debian-security-announce withouth any succes.. yet. |
| 14:23.05 | *** part/#debian shane (~shane@m086-183.nv.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:23.13 | Wazer | hey is gnome 2.4 fixed for sarge? |
| 14:23.19 | *** join/#debian fjavier (~fjavier@81-202-4-163.user.ono.com) |
| 14:23.24 | caphuso | ciga: then compile your own 2.4.24 kernel |
| 14:23.26 | *** join/#debian Hayldric (~ddicks@d142-59-197-203.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 14:23.33 | L00thar | jm_: Thanx; but where is that? |
| 14:23.49 | jm_ | L00thar: on the internet -- http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 14:23.50 | streuner | Wazer: what does BTS say? |
| 14:23.59 | *** join/#debian smoutch (~vince@ALagny-109-1-9-113.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:24.05 | L00thar | jm_: ok thanx. |
| 14:24.10 | ciga | caphuso: hm? |
| 14:24.14 | caphuso | ciga: hmm? |
| 14:24.15 | smoutch | woa kess ke jfou la |
| 14:24.21 | *** part/#debian smoutch (~vince@ALagny-109-1-9-113.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:24.38 | ciga | caphuso: ic |
| 14:24.46 | mage | !tell Javi_Estudiante about away |
| 14:24.47 | caphuso | ciga: i don't |
| 14:24.51 | caphuso | ciga: are you on crack? |
| 14:25.12 | *** join/#debian sahadev (~prakashk@209.243.55.162) |
| 14:25.25 | ciga | caphuso: no. only local exploit, right? |
| 14:25.57 | petemc | L00thar: cdrecord works for me to burn dvds, using ide-cd in 2.6.0, and nautilus-cd-burner is nice front end, tho k3b works now too with the latest cdrdao in sid |
| 14:26.10 | Hayldric | anyone here using backports? i added deb http://www.backports.org/debian woody samba to my sources.lst but when i do apt-get install samba it says it is alreay at the latest version... |
| 14:26.14 | jm_ | petemc: cdrecord-prodvd ? |
| 14:26.19 | caphuso | ciga: no, anything that can use mremap() |
| 14:26.22 | jm_ | petemc: or the one with dvd patches applied ? |
| 14:26.30 | ircdevil | bah, the img file i burned does not boot |
| 14:26.48 | ciga | caphuso: I'm not a kernel developer. dunno what uses mremap(); |
| 14:26.50 | Javi_Estudiante | jeje |
| 14:26.57 | petemc | jm_: i installed the dvd-rw tools package, everything just works |
| 14:26.58 | Javi_Estudiante | i do not want awat xD |
| 14:27.07 | Javi_Estudiante | mage no away! |
| 14:27.15 | jm_ | petemc: ahh must be the patch for it then, good to know |
| 14:27.21 | caphuso | ciga: things that need to remap/resize their memory space |
| 14:27.56 | Naso | is the SCSI megaraid driver suitable with ATA megaraid card ? |
| 14:28.05 | *** join/#debian quaqo (~quaqo@62-101-126-232.fastres.net) |
| 14:28.07 | ciga | caphuso: would it be like apache/mysql/pureftpd? |
| 14:28.13 | caphuso | ciga: could be |
| 14:28.19 | *** join/#debian Vilhelmo (~vilhelmo@pool-68-163-236-191.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:28.21 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@public1-sout4-4-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 14:29.16 | ciga | caphuso: so 2.4.24 is not voulerable? |
| 14:29.37 | L00thar | petemc: But is that with the stock lk2.6.0? ;> |
| 14:29.37 | caphuso | ciga: what a frigging lazy ass are you? |
| 14:29.44 | *** join/#debian zenlunatic (~zen@user-2iveogu.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 14:29.56 | petemc | L00thar: im using a kernel from kernel.org |
| 14:30.02 | L00thar | me too |
| 14:30.22 | hramrach | I am using a kernel from Knoppix :) |
| 14:30.36 | L00thar | petemc: I thought with the -mm1 patch I'd be all set... |
| 14:30.50 | hramrach | because the Debian one does not work for me :/ |
| 14:30.58 | tam | is there a way that I could tell my router to use certain ip's for certain boxes without using bind? |
| 14:31.01 | ircdevil | streuner i am having difficulties bruning the img file. it doesnt boot when written in mode 1. |
| 14:31.18 | tarzeau | ircdevil: file the.img says whta? |
| 14:31.19 | petemc | L00thar: install dvdrtools |
| 14:31.27 | tarzeau | ircdevil: maybe you need cdrdao? maybe cdrecord ? |
| 14:31.32 | L00thar | hmm |
| 14:31.34 | ciga | caphuso: what do you mean? |
| 14:31.46 | *** join/#debian mrwoody (~paolo@pool-141-150-134-71.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:31.46 | Wazer | hramrach: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200312/msg01460.html |
| 14:31.58 | *** join/#debian ^Leo (~leo@168-226-68-173.speedy.com.ar) |
| 14:32.00 | caphuso | ciga: i mean exactly what i said |
| 14:32.11 | ircdevil | tarzeau sorry, trapped on windows until i get a netinst image that can detect my scsi |
| 14:32.33 | *** join/#debian doudeb (~doudeb@vserver-alpalabo.nexen.net) |
| 14:32.42 | *** part/#debian doudeb (~doudeb@vserver-alpalabo.nexen.net) |
| 14:33.06 | L00thar | petemc: I mean, I see that I need pktcdvd.ko -- which apparently doesn't come with the stock kernel. It says in Documentation/ that UDF doesn't suppor writing - even after all the talk about 2.6 supporting packet-writing, just-you-wait, yadda... :/ |
| 14:33.27 | *** join/#debian Invisible (~Invisible@213.149.96.7) |
| 14:33.29 | mrwoody | did anyone manage to use the patched nvidia-kernel-source with kernel 2.6? it doesn't work for me (altouogh no errors during compile time) |
| 14:33.36 | gahan | is there any anti-mremap-bug kernel module? |
| 14:34.02 | *** join/#debian luke (~luke@82-133-110-178.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 14:34.03 | Covener | mrwoody: i use it, from what I understand most people are successful with it as well |
| 14:34.15 | Covener | mrwoody: Not from the debian package however, sorry |
| 14:34.20 | caphuso | gahan: no |
| 14:34.37 | gahan | :( |
| 14:34.38 | caphuso | why in all hell would you need a whole module for a few lines patch? |
| 14:34.48 | gahan | caphuso: i just don't want to reboot |
| 14:34.55 | zu22 | lol |
| 14:34.56 | caphuso | *sigh* cluebies |
| 14:35.15 | mrwoody | Covener: what version? |
| 14:35.18 | fjavier | ircdevil, TEST knoppix distribution, please, it detects a lot of hardware and is Debian based |
| 14:35.32 | fjavier | www.knoppix.org |
| 14:35.32 | jm_ | ahh a DSA for screen, this one took a while |
| 14:35.34 | *** join/#debian stuartyeates (snail@oucs-temp.oucs.ox.ac.uk) |
| 14:35.40 | *** join/#debian xhbit (~xhbit@200.223.188.70) |
| 14:35.48 | *** join/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 14:35.57 | Covener | mrwoody: The 2nd most recent |
| 14:36.07 | zu22 | fjavier: i prefer morphix, i hate KDE |
| 14:36.26 | *** join/#debian simeonk (~simeon@217.118.79.9) |
| 14:36.39 | redrick | Whee! Time to upgrade screen. DSA time. |
| 14:36.40 | fjavier | zu22, you can choose kde, gnome, icewm, fvwm, fvwm2, enlightment, etc. in knoppix |
| 14:36.44 | mrwoody | Covener: i use the 3rd most recent (that is debian package)... maybe it depends on that. |
| 14:36.46 | Covener | mrwoody: excluding that weird beta one -- 4496 I believe |
| 14:37.00 | *** join/#debian xlnx-x (~craig@alb-24-194-236-228.nycap.rr.com) |
| 14:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 675] by debhelper |
| 14:37.06 | Covener | mrwoody: well minion.de maintains seperate patches for the diff versions I believe |
| 14:37.07 | fjavier | zu22, at system startup by commandline |
| 14:37.08 | zu22 | fjavier: yes but morphix has some differences still |
| 14:37.09 | ircdevil | fjavier ok, how to get from knoppix (which i do have) to pure debian? |
| 14:37.26 | *** part/#debian xlnx-x (~craig@alb-24-194-236-228.nycap.rr.com) |
| 14:37.32 | fjavier | ircdevil, is a debian... |
| 14:37.41 | redrick | ircdevil: Maybe you should ask on #knoppix? |
| 14:37.45 | simeonk | Hello all. How can I change refresh rate in console? |
| 14:37.52 | ircdevil | redrick no, i want debian :o) |
| 14:37.58 | js__ | ircdevil: then install debian? |
| 14:37.59 | sussudio | simeonk: different monitor? |
| 14:38.00 | fjavier | zu22, i don't know morphix, but in portable pc has a good rate of detection hardware |
| 14:38.01 | madness | ircdevil: you don't. |
| 14:38.06 | fjavier | ircdevil, yes |
| 14:38.15 | ircdevil | js__ netinst iso doesnt support my scsi (old iso that is) |
| 14:38.19 | fjavier | ircdevil, install debian in harddisk ONLY if you wat |
| 14:38.24 | mrwoody | Covener: i use 4496... that is the latest debian packge |
| 14:38.25 | ircdevil | i crave |
| 14:38.27 | redrick | ircdevil: Which netinst? |
| 14:38.28 | fjavier | ircdevil, it executes directly from cd |
| 14:38.35 | js__ | ircdevil: use floppies :) |
| 14:38.36 | redrick | ircdevil: More important, which SCSI chipset? |
| 14:38.50 | ircdevil | redrick woody netinst. the first stable one - i think |
| 14:38.53 | mrwoody | Covener: as far as i know, minion.de contains the patch for 2.6 (supposing that you have the main sources) |
| 14:39.03 | mrwoody | Covener: did you use the installer to build it/ |
| 14:39.09 | redrick | ircdevil: Lots of specialised netinsts for situations like yours. |
| 14:39.27 | *** join/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 14:39.27 | hramrach | Wazer: interesting, I will give it a try :) |
| 14:39.41 | Covener | mrwoody: unpack/patch/make w/ kbuild |
| 14:39.42 | hramrach | Thanks |
| 14:40.02 | ircdevil | redrick hrm, yes - and i cant figure how to burn img files with windows :/ |
| 14:40.18 | mrwoody | Covener: unpack what? |
| 14:40.19 | caphuso | ircdevil: it's a damn simple iso9660 image, FFS |
| 14:40.33 | ciga | caphuso: it was very kind of you. |
| 14:40.34 | fjavier | zu22, i am loking for info for morphix :), thanks |
| 14:40.56 | redrick | ircdevil: Can't help you with that, but I can help tell you an appropriate netinst. And as js__ says, there's also boot-floppies. |
| 14:41.02 | js__ | i just heard something about a new kernel exploit (?) |
| 14:41.07 | xerophyte | how can i fix this issue http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0012-mremap.txt |
| 14:41.08 | *** join/#debian heretic2001 (~h2k1@a213-22-224-2.netcabo.pt) |
| 14:41.12 | *** part/#debian heretic2001 (~h2k1@a213-22-224-2.netcabo.pt) |
| 14:41.15 | caphuso | xerophyte: by upgrading to 2.4.24 |
| 14:41.17 | Covener | mrwoody: the big .run file from nvidia |
| 14:41.27 | fjavier | zu22, is based on knoppix :? |
| 14:41.33 | mrwoody | Covener: i didn't know it was possible to unpack it... nice |
| 14:41.48 | ircdevil | caphuso ok, but the daily boot img did not boot :o/ ? |
| 14:42.15 | mrwoody | what happened to pgp? now i get -> Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! |
| 14:42.20 | fjavier | don't download daily boot images in a newbie level of experience !!!! |
| 14:42.28 | Covener | mrwoody: yeah you might want to just step through the minion.de way, but don't use the most recent build |
| 14:42.28 | fjavier | download stable version !! |
| 14:42.36 | caphuso | ircdevil: either because you burnt it incorrectly or because this specific daily _development_ snapshot is broken |
| 14:42.37 | fjavier | 3.4 of knoppix i think |
| 14:42.46 | zu22 | fjavier: np :) |
| 14:42.49 | fjavier | ircdevil, yes, it is |
| 14:43.03 | zu22 | fjavier: similiar but dont think it is based ON it |
| 14:43.16 | redrick | ircdevil: Windows burning of CDRs is a Linux Gazette FAQ. Look for "Best of Burning" in http://linuxgazette.net/tag/kb.html |
| 14:43.24 | mrwoody | Covener: the problem is that i don't think minion.de contains the sources... i thought it only contains the patch from version_x -> version_x_2.6 and that is what i used for 4496 |
| 14:43.30 | mrwoody | Covener: but doesn't work |
| 14:43.36 | fjavier | zu22, i know, but which difereces has, is administration oriented???? i'm looking for that :) |
| 14:43.55 | ircdevil | redrick ok |
| 14:44.05 | *** join/#debian voice (~astala@pD9FF967D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:44.08 | js__ | do you recommend running swapd? |
| 14:44.09 | zu22 | fjavier: i have only just got it recently myself, the website should explain all that |
| 14:44.26 | sussudio | ~root |
| 14:44.28 | | somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 14:44.28 | fjavier | zu22, yes, i am reading site info :) |
| 14:44.35 | sussudio | fuck |
| 14:44.38 | sussudio | !+root |
| 14:44.46 | *** join/#debian w3seek|Sleeping (w3seek@pD95430B4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:44.53 | fjavier | jajja |
| 14:44.53 | sussudio | !listkeys root |
| 14:44.53 | caphuso | js__: no |
| 14:44.54 | fjavier | lol |
| 14:44.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'root' by key returned no results. |
| 14:44.59 | sussudio | wtf. |
| 14:45.03 | sussudio | !status |
| 14:45.03 | dpkg | Since Wed Dec 31 21:18:59 2003, there have been 22 modifications, 907 questions, 352 dunnos, 11 morons and 504 commands. I have been awake for 4d 17h 26m 4s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 17292 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 619.87/34.14 child 966.23/71.45 |
| 14:45.16 | ircdevil | redrick that articles is about burning iso files. is that the same as img files? |
| 14:45.17 | sussudio | where did dpkg's database go? |
| 14:45.23 | redrick | ircdevil: Yes. |
| 14:45.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 14:45.26 | *** mode/#debian [+q ircdevil!*@*] by caphuso |
| 14:45.29 | *** join/#debian le-sens-commun (~le-sens-c@dyn-213-36-5-40.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 14:45.30 | jm_ | it was OK before new year ;) |
| 14:45.33 | js__ | caphuso: how come? |
| 14:45.33 | zu22 | karsten: that lm-kb is cool. i enjoyed your backup mini-FAQ :) |
| 14:45.35 | sussudio | @root |
| 14:45.36 | ravenbird | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss) |
| 14:45.39 | redrick | ircdevil: Assuming by "img" you mean a raw image of a CD. |
| 14:45.40 | caphuso | js__: 15:40 caphuso> ircdevil: it's a damn simple iso9660 image, FFS |
| 14:45.56 | mrwoody | does anyone know what this is: debsign -e"Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer <unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf>" /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/../../nvidia-kernel-2.4.21_1.0.4496-10+10.00.Custom_i386.changes |
| 14:45.56 | mrwoody | Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! |
| 14:45.56 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.58 | sussudio | ~no, root is <reply> It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss) |
| 14:46.15 | js__ | caphuso: i thought you answered my question about swapd |
| 14:46.45 | caphuso | js__: oh, right... it's a relic from back then when hard disks where really small and people couldn't afford swap partitions |
| 14:47.02 | redrick | ircdevil: As a general rule, there's nothing magical about filename extensions on *ix, so we don't tend to sweat things like "img" vs. "iso". |
| 14:47.14 | *** part/#debian xhbit (~xhbit@200.223.188.70) |
| 14:47.31 | js__ | caphuso: oh... so it doesn't improve performance then? |
| 14:48.21 | caphuso | js__: no, actually it slows down |
| 14:48.21 | *** join/#debian wackyraces (~kowalski@adsluser-2436.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) |
| 14:48.21 | fjavier | zu22, it seems interesting, sun has spoken with morphix author's |
| 14:48.21 | js__ | i see, thanks |
| 14:48.21 | caphuso | not much on 2.6, a bit on 2.4 and a lot on 2.2, IIRC |
| 14:48.22 | *** part/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host249-31.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 14:48.27 | js__ | okay |
| 14:49.12 | fjavier | help :: somebody knows if creative webcam nx is supported under linux ??? only creative webcam II or similar is supported in sourceforge project :'( |
| 14:49.41 | *** join/#debian sTone_heAd (~rudy@200.60.224.138) |
| 14:50.00 | *** part/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 14:50.45 | *** mode/#debian [-q ircdevil!*@*] by caphuso |
| 14:50.51 | *** join/#debian Christian (~christian@62.94.208.119) |
| 14:50.53 | caphuso | ircdevil: and you better start listening now |
| 14:50.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 14:51.35 | *** part/#debian Christian (~christian@62.94.208.119) |
| 14:51.35 | *** join/#debian wuhuu (~wuhuu@p213.54.245.62.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 14:51.46 | *** join/#debian red_one_ (red_one@028.a.005.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 14:51.57 | wuhuu | howto get gaim applet in my gnome-panel ? |
| 14:51.59 | zu22 | fjavier: ja |
| 14:52.00 | red_one_ | where can i manually download new experimental debs of apt 0.6 from? |
| 14:52.19 | caphuso | red_one_: nowhere, if you have to ask to |
| 14:52.36 | red_one_ | caphuso: apt-get would benice, but it seems broken. so i'm looking for newer 0.6's |
| 14:52.53 | red_one_ | ii apt 0.6.8 |
| 14:53.12 | red_one_ | and since packages.d.o is down.. |
| 14:53.12 | caphuso | red_one_: so downgrade to a non-experimental version |
| 14:53.30 | red_one_ | hm |
| 14:53.31 | caphuso | god, why in all did you upgrade the clearly marked "experimental" one in the first place? |
| 14:53.47 | red_one_ | because i wanted to bug test it |
| 14:53.59 | wuhuu | !peterS |
| 14:54.18 | chris|work | Bug testing just isn't useful if you break your system |
| 14:54.35 | *** join/#debian _pragma (~pragma@68-190-187-133.rno-cres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 14:54.35 | caphuso | bug testing isn't useful if you aren't able to do it |
| 14:54.39 | chris|work | That too |
| 14:55.01 | wuhuu | howto bind an applet in the gnome-panel ? |
| 14:55.12 | *** join/#debian |82nd|HeXeM (~hexem@user-7544.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 14:55.12 | *** join/#debian hjtv3x (~hjtv3x@port-212-202-78-120.reverse.qsc.de) |
| 14:55.13 | *** join/#debian Zyroth (~zyroth@p5089F05E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:55.42 | somiaj | wuhuu: you want to make a 'launcher' so you can lauch the applet from the panell? |
| 14:55.58 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-075.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 14:56.02 | wuhuu | no |
| 14:56.21 | somiaj | wuhuu: then what do you mean by 'bind an applet |
| 14:56.27 | hramrach | hmm, that kernel did not help me. It probably contains some patch from debian that disables LABEL= in fstab. |
| 14:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 668] by debhelper |
| 14:57.12 | wuhuu | i have a gnome applet from gaim and i want it to be running in my gnome-panel like for example the cpu-monitor |
| 14:57.37 | chris|work | wuhuu: #gnome on gimpnet, go there |
| 14:57.47 | wuhuu | thx |
| 14:58.11 | *** join/#debian keith (~keith@mail.barlibrary.com) |
| 14:58.23 | somiaj | wuhuu: gdesklet may also be something else you might want to look into. |
| 14:59.06 | wuhuu | hm... I'll try |
| 14:59.09 | wuhuu | thx |
| 14:59.48 | *** part/#debian red_one_ (red_one@028.a.005.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 14:59.51 | fjavier | i think nobody uses webcams in linux... :'( |
| 15:00.06 | *** join/#debian zergouille (~zergouill@ALyon-101-1-4-64.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:00.23 | *** join/#debian randiey (~randey@202.63.116.98) |
| 15:00.24 | sussudio | fjavier: if you'd bother to use google, you'd find out. |
| 15:00.26 | mrwoody | fjavier: not true... ever heard of gnomemeeting? |
| 15:00.26 | randiey | r |
| 15:01.05 | *** join/#debian bonez39 (~sanchiro@64.122.114.148) |
| 15:01.54 | mrwoody | i have been using make-kpkg modules, and now it asks me for gpg key (it didn't few days ago): gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available... I did gpg --gen-key... what else am i supposed to do? |
| 15:02.10 | *** join/#debian mipooh_ (~mipooh@202.129.1.4) |
| 15:02.24 | *** join/#debian looksaus (~mark@kn-upc-1.kuleuven.net) |
| 15:03.36 | zergouille | I cant have all java things on the web pages when I am on the web... I use mozilla 1.5, what can I do ? |
| 15:03.54 | *** part/#debian Hayldric (~ddicks@d142-59-197-203.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 15:04.10 | *** part/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 15:04.32 | somiaj | zergouille: have you installed the java plugin correctly for mozilla? |
| 15:04.53 | zergouille | somiaj, well, I dont think so.... how can I ? |
| 15:05.53 | somiaj | zergouille: there are varrious ways, I belive there are unoffical deb's for it, what I do is download java from sun and follow the instructions there and it words fine for me. |
| 15:05.58 | *** join/#debian Jeedo (~Ofurfluga@adsl6-56.simnet.is) |
| 15:06.05 | *** join/#debian guest (~guest@c-ac0670d5.030-72-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 15:06.08 | somiaj | s/words/works/ |
| 15:06.11 | guest | i need some quick help, if my linux is on /dev/hda3 and hda2 is swap and hda1 is boot, what should i do to install grub so that it boots with my bootpartition? |
| 15:06.20 | *** join/#debian KyON (~jao@235.Red-80-37-38.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:06.28 | tarzeau | guest: you'd say grub-install /dev/hda |
| 15:06.33 | *** join/#debian luke (~luke@82-133-110-178.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 15:06.34 | Jeedo | hi, any debian devs here who would like to tell me why this : ftp://ftp.gnuab.org/pub/gnu.iso/K5/ is not at ftp.debian.org ? |
| 15:06.45 | tarzeau | guest: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see menu.lst and put in /boot/grub/ and edit it |
| 15:06.51 | guest | tarzeau: wont that install it on the wrong partition? |
| 15:06.57 | tarzeau | Jeedo: are you in #hurd too? |
| 15:06.58 | *** join/#debian chapus (~chapus@200-63-131-42.speedy.com.ar) |
| 15:07.05 | Jeedo | tarzeau: yeah |
| 15:07.15 | tarzeau | guest: no it won't install into a partition |
| 15:07.15 | quaqo | Bye all |
| 15:07.23 | somiaj | guest: you want to install grub in the mbr (not on the boot partition). |
| 15:07.23 | tarzeau | guest: it'll install into a harddisk (mbr) |
| 15:07.52 | guest | tarzeau: how does it know where the menu.lst file is? |
| 15:08.01 | tarzeau | Jeedo: is that the latest official image? |
| 15:08.04 | guest | cos its not on my linuxhd its on my boot hd |
| 15:08.06 | *** join/#debian dewey (~dewey@12-231-88-119.client.attbi.com) |
| 15:08.08 | tarzeau | Jeedo: i guess i should update http://freshmeat.net/projects/hurd/ |
| 15:08.16 | Jeedo | tarzeau: yes |
| 15:08.36 | Jeedo | i was wondering why a Debian GNU/* distro is not at debians ftp servers |
| 15:08.52 | Jeedo | its kind of ackward for people in other countries, as it doesnt get mirrored |
| 15:08.56 | somiaj | guest: check out /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
| 15:09.04 | *** join/#debian jello_ (~joe@user-0ccerca.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 15:09.08 | tarzeau | Jeedo: i don't know you should ask the person responsible for this |
| 15:09.15 | Jeedo | tarzeau: which is? |
| 15:09.15 | guest | it says "does not have any corresponding BIOS drive |
| 15:09.16 | tarzeau | Jeedo: try www.debian.org/devel/people look for hurd |
| 15:09.18 | *** join/#debian fritz (~fritz@loial.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 15:09.20 | tarzeau | Jeedo: i'm not sure, really |
| 15:09.33 | zergouille | somiaj, i have j2sdk1.3, java-common. |
| 15:09.34 | *** join/#debian Penix (~wenas@3ffe:b80:1c6e:0:0:0:0:2) |
| 15:09.39 | Naso | is there any problem with DBD:MySQL in sid ? |
| 15:09.52 | Naso | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away |
| 15:10.10 | *** join/#debian chimaera (~chi@p50917F22.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:10.13 | streuner | Naso: check BTS out |
| 15:10.15 | tam | i just installed kernel 2.4.23 and now it isn't seeing my eth0 card. every time i type /sbin/ifup eth0 it comes back saing 'interface eth0 not configured' anyone know how to configure it so debian can see it? |
| 15:10.20 | *** join/#debian nishin (~apan@h96n2fls307o1101.telia.com) |
| 15:10.22 | Naso | streuner: bts ? |
| 15:10.27 | r0ute_ | how do u tell find to look in all sub directories ? |
| 15:10.28 | streuner | !bts |
| 15:10.32 | streuner | ~bts |
| 15:10.34 | | from memory, bts is bug tracking system |
| 15:10.34 | somiaj | zergouille: the deb packages? |
| 15:10.45 | Naso | where is its site ? |
| 15:10.46 | mrwoody | where does make-kpkg get the mainteiner name frm? |
| 15:10.49 | *** join/#debian Award (~jpdp@209.120.201.20) |
| 15:10.50 | *** join/#debian jk24 (~jk24@212.234.146.45) |
| 15:10.52 | zergouille | somiaj, yep |
| 15:11.01 | streuner | Naso: www.debian.org/bugs/ |
| 15:11.03 | *** join/#debian bastir (~basti@pD9E75903.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:11.29 | Covener | r0ute_: that's the default behaviour |
| 15:11.31 | somiaj | zergouille: my guess is install them and then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/<package name> (as I said I don't use the .deb packages so I'm not familar with how they work) |
| 15:11.39 | stuartyeates | I'm new to debian (I have experience with slackware). I'm about to acquire a box and install debian on it. I want to keep the box closely synced with a web/network server (which I have a user account on) and be (relatively) bleeding edge for GUI things. is there a way to do this? or do I have to let the server dictate what GUI stuff I use too? |
| 15:11.56 | streuner | Naso: sorry, http://bugs.debian.org |
| 15:11.57 | zergouille | somiaj, o okay :-) |
| 15:12.02 | r0ute_ | Covener: ok, ill have another go, i tried fine *.tex and it didnt find anything and i know there's some in there |
| 15:12.05 | *** join/#debian monas (~kaspar@esc.ortopedija.lt) |
| 15:12.20 | somiaj | Jeedo: why would debian provide links to download images that are not offical debian images, those are 'highly modified Debian's debian-cd'. |
| 15:12.52 | *** join/#debian TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:13.07 | Jeedo | somiaj: well does it provide images for GNU/Hurd at all? |
| 15:13.35 | r0ute_ | Covener: its definately not looking in all sub directories ?? any ideas why it might not be ? |
| 15:13.39 | streuner | apt, no bts is <reply> bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 15:13.41 | | okay, streuner |
| 15:14.04 | somiaj | Jeedo: check out debian.org, it does say that it supports the Hurd kernel, though I have not messed with it. |
| 15:14.12 | *** join/#debian TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:14.14 | tam | so does anyone know how to get deb to initiate eth0? |
| 15:14.29 | chris|work | Does anyone have a good reason to actually use hurd? |
| 15:14.48 | Jeedo | somiaj: i dont remember it having a network part at all the last time i saw it |
| 15:14.52 | LoRez | tam: ifup eth0 # man interfaces to figure out how to configure it |
| 15:15.08 | Covener | r0ute_: You have to give it one dir, as in find . "*.tex" |
| 15:15.15 | tam | LoRez: done all of that. not worked :( |
| 15:15.15 | Jeedo | LoRez: not ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 15:15.23 | *** join/#debian Gnea_ (gnea@roc-66-66-118-140.rochester.rr.com) |
| 15:15.23 | *** join/#debian Zyr|ApoReiterHoe (~zyroth@p5089F05E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:15.23 | *** join/#debian Nord__ (nord@1-1-5-47b.han.sth.bostream.se) |
| 15:15.24 | *** join/#debian dbron_ (dbron@pcp01067026pcs.rome01.tn.comcast.net) |
| 15:15.24 | *** join/#debian don_inla1 (~don@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 15:15.24 | *** join/#debian quant0rz (~user@82-38-99-138.cable.ubr02.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:15.44 | LoRez | Jeedo: no. ifup eth0 |
| 15:15.44 | *** join/#debian gdb_ (~cbell@circe.inetdb.com) |
| 15:15.44 | *** join/#debian ibib (Justaz@adsl-213-190-52-114.takas.lt) |
| 15:15.44 | Jeedo | tam: are you using a router? |
| 15:15.44 | *** join/#debian reaper (~reaper@ool-4350fa6c.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 15:15.45 | *** join/#debian aggregate (~aggy@ip68-14-177-243.pn.at.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.58 | r0ute_ | Covener: k, cheers |
| 15:15.58 | *** join/#debian Adrian (~n00b@opensource.geek.nz) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.58 | *** join/#debian roz (~roz@ip68-13-4-7.om.om.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.58 | Jeedo | LoRz: some custom deb command? |
| 15:15.58 | *** join/#debian Justin_ (~justin@169.226.250.136) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.59 | *** join/#debian kos (kos@adsl-68-121-247-116.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.59 | *** mode/#debian [+n] by brunner.freenode.net |
| 15:15.59 | *** join/#debian silas- (mccune@hamlet.ling.ohio-state.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:15.59 | somiaj | stuartyeates: if you want to be bleeding edge with a GUI enviorment you'll have to upgrade to 'sarge' (testing) or 'sid' (unstable) to do so. They are called testing and unstable for a reason so I don't suggest using them until you get a little familarity with debian so you can deal with the problems that can and will arise. |
| 15:15.59 | LoRez | Jeedo: yes. welcome to #debian, been here long? |
| 15:16.00 | Jeedo | 5 mins |
| 15:16.17 | Jeedo | came to anny people, but its pretty simple if youre using a router |
| 15:16.19 | LoRez | Jeedo: then try not to get in the way, eh? |
| 15:16.46 | Jeedo | ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 && route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:16.55 | Jeedo | if your ip is .2 and router =.1 |
| 15:17.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 680] by debhelper |
| 15:17.13 | stuartyeates | somiaj: understood |
| 15:17.25 | somiaj | Jeedo: All I know about debian and Hurd is they talk about using both the linux and hurd kernels in their project to make a free operating system, since i use linux I have not looked into what it has avialable for hurd, I just know debian doesn't support unoffical packages/images and so dont' expect to find stuff based off of debian on the debian mirrors. |
| 15:17.32 | LoRez | Jeedo: quit that. that's temporary |
| 15:18.13 | Jeedo | LoRez: thats a good way to "get it up" of course you have to make it permanent my other means |
| 15:18.24 | tam | Jeedo: yes. it worked perfectly under 2.2.20 then i done an apt-get install kernel-image and it doesn't work now. |
| 15:18.31 | *** join/#debian dwc (blarg@216-155-104-108.dsl.cust.acceleration.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:18.51 | LoRez | tam: then fix your drivers. |
| 15:18.54 | chris|work | Sounds like you don't have your driver then |
| 15:18.56 | *** join/#debian rexsum (~fritz@loial.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 15:19.03 | chris|work | Build the module bla bla bla |
| 15:19.32 | LoRez | Jeedo: I realize what it does. Debian does things differently. |
| 15:19.40 | *** join/#debian CompWizd (compwiz@d57-254-61.home.cgocable.net) |
| 15:19.42 | somiaj | stuartyeates: being new to debian (but not linux) I suggest you install woody and work on the server end and a basic GUI enviorment, then after you get a little confortable with it upgrade to sarge or sid, the nice thing about debian is upgrading is really easy if you have a decent inet connenction. |
| 15:19.57 | *** join/#debian TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:20.23 | *** join/#debian ruoso (~ruoso@200.164.140.241) |
| 15:20.58 | Jeedo | LoRez: well i cant answer you there, havent used debian yet, thats just the stuff i use in any system to get it up raughly for the first time |
| 15:21.08 | *** part/#debian TimRikerPoorProx (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:21.25 | LoRez | Jeedo: the install takes care of that stuff on debian. he broke it by installing a new kernel |
| 15:21.30 | *** join/#debian mrwoody (~paolo@pool-141-150-134-71.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:21.48 | mrwoody | where does make-kpkg get the mainteiner name from? |
| 15:22.11 | *** join/#debian bill (~rkt55@80-219-83-101.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:22.19 | mrwoody | Covener: how do you get the sources from NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1.run? |
| 15:22.28 | somiaj | mrwoody: what do you mean? apt-cache showpkg <pkg name> will give you info like mainteiner, version, etc. |
| 15:22.29 | *** join/#debian keler (~keler@139.Red-217-125-5.pooles.rima-tde.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:22.33 | chris|work | mrwoody: by looking at the README for the file |
| 15:22.42 | peterS | LoRez: can you or someone change the topic to refer to the kernel vuln < 2.4.24 instead of < 2.4.23? new announcement http://xrl.us/vuln24 |
| 15:23.12 | Jeedo | wont 2.6.1 be rushed out because of this? |
| 15:23.19 | *** join/#debian Mitario (~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl) |
| 15:23.25 | mrwoody | somiaj: no... the problem is that now i get gpg: skipped `Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer <unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf>': secret key not available, when i run make-kpkg |
| 15:23.38 | LoRez | peterS: do you have a more non-temporary link for it? |
| 15:23.44 | *** join/#debian J_P (~jp@200-101-192-178.fnsce7004.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 15:23.48 | chris|work | Jeedo: it only affects the 2.4.x series |
| 15:23.50 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:23.53 | peterS | LoRez: not offhand. I'll look around |
| 15:24.05 | *** join/#debian TimRikerPoorProx (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:24.05 | Jeedo | chris|work: Version: 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 series |
| 15:24.11 | Jeedo | - http://www.danamania.com/temp/jan2004vuln.txt |
| 15:24.13 | mrwoody | chris|work: where is the readme of the file? i only have one file |
| 15:24.20 | *** join/#debian ln_ (~ln@p508D3BA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:24.23 | mrwoody | chris|work: and i don't want to use the installer |
| 15:24.25 | J_P | thomas_adam have anyone problem i compile kernel 2.6 in woody ? yesterday i compile in sid and ok |
| 15:25.11 | *** join/#debian jamc (~root@cliente-217216233069.uBRsea01.supercable.es) |
| 15:25.22 | Jeedo | "Proof-of-concept exploit code has been created and successfully tested giving UID 0 shell on vulnerable systems." |
| 15:25.30 | ln_ | I want to give permissions on a filesystem to all console users. does someone have a suggestion how to achive that? |
| 15:25.30 | somiaj | mrwoody: then use the debian packages for the nvidia stuff and don't use the self extracting binary from nvidia. apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source (replace source with src if using woody) |
| 15:25.32 | Jeedo | annoys me how they never say "proof of concept stuff in attached .c file |
| 15:25.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ |
| 15:25.45 | *** part/#debian jamc (~root@cliente-217216233069.uBRsea01.supercable.es) |
| 15:26.29 | mrwoody | somiaj: that is what i am doing... and that is where i get the error |
| 15:26.31 | *** join/#debian bizkit (bizkit@pD9E017E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:26.36 | *** join/#debian schlumpf (~vx_schlum@dsl-082-082-067-068.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:26.56 | *** join/#debian mage (mage@213-193-168-243.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 15:27.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 627] by debhelper |
| 15:27.02 | *** join/#debian radical (~radical@141.39.208.101) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 15:27.25 | *** part/#debian monas (~kaspar@esc.ortopedija.lt) |
| 15:27.40 | *** topic/#debian by LoRez -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || If you don't know how to compile a kernel, don't start to learn now. just wait for the 2.6 .deb, ok? || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT IN ALL 2.4 KERNELS < 2.4.23 DSA: http://xrl.us/66p | ROOT HOLE for 2.2,2.4,2.6 http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 15:27.41 | ln_ | how can i give read/write permissions to everyone on a fat filesystem? |
| 15:27.49 | *** join/#debian vasudeva (daemian@syr-24-59-34-231.twcny.rr.com) |
| 15:27.54 | *** join/#debian Peter_007 (~xxdanhxx@231.brs0110.brs.iprimus.net.au) |
| 15:27.54 | J_P | what is error in make-kpg --revision..... : make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 ? |
| 15:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by LoRez |
| 15:28.00 | vasudeva | what is the name of that simple little mail binary that accepts command-line arguments to send mail? is it just /usr/bin/mail? |
| 15:28.25 | caphuso | vasudeva: yes, but mutt is alot nicer for that |
| 15:28.30 | *** join/#debian kjh (~Emperor@62.135.44.163) |
| 15:28.35 | vasudeva | caphuso: i need CLI |
| 15:28.52 | vasudeva | caphuso: or are you saying mutt can also do that? pipes and such? |
| 15:29.00 | caphuso | vasudeva: of course it can. it's mutt |
| 15:29.19 | sussudio | ln_: fat doesn't have file permissions |
| 15:29.23 | dippo | it can? |
| 15:29.32 | somiaj | mrwoody: you are trying to get the source from 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg1.run' which is a nvidia made binary for version 5328, while in sid the latest debian package is version 4496 for nvidia-kernel-source so you are *NOT* doing what I said. |
| 15:29.38 | dippo | I never knew mutt could do that |
| 15:29.39 | *** join/#debian Phobo (~phoo@h192n1fls33o951.telia.com) |
| 15:29.40 | *** join/#debian honschu (18164-iden@p5085DFF4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:29.41 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-209.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 15:29.46 | dippo | vasudeva: in answer to your question, yes, /usr/bin/mail is what you want |
| 15:29.47 | *** part/#debian Jeedo (~Ofurfluga@adsl6-56.simnet.is) |
| 15:30.28 | J_P | peterS you know what is error ? |
| 15:30.28 | somiaj | ln_: you may not want to do that, but you'll have to man mount and look at the options, uid, gid, and umask to set up appropriate primision on the file system (realize they will all hold the same primisions) |
| 15:30.31 | peterS | LoRez: you beat me to it. I just found that link |
| 15:30.35 | *** part/#debian bit1 (~Jose@80.102.84.160) |
| 15:30.44 | LoRez | peterS: it was in the article you gave me =P |
| 15:31.00 | peterS | LoRez: it was? I didn't see one there. I found it via a post on lkml.org (: |
| 15:31.12 | tarzeau | someone can connect to www.debian.org ? |
| 15:31.21 | LoRez | peterS: yup, the URL field |
| 15:31.21 | ln_ | somiaj: I tried that. but the only thing I can achive with umask is limit the permissions (its a AND mask). Isn't is? |
| 15:31.23 | vasudeva | dippo: thanks, though i'm looking into doing it with mutt, actually :D |
| 15:31.24 | *** join/#debian bill (~rkt55@80-219-83-101.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:31.29 | *** join/#debian keith (~keith@mail.barlibrary.com) |
| 15:31.32 | tarzeau | resolves to 192.25.206.10, here |
| 15:31.44 | *** part/#debian vasudeva (daemian@syr-24-59-34-231.twcny.rr.com) |
| 15:32.09 | dippo | how do you do it with mutt? and why would you want to? |
| 15:32.22 | caphuso | dippo: because mutt's better than mail(1), of course |
| 15:32.33 | honschu | Hi, 2.6.0 modprobe.conf has: "alias parport parport_pc" and "alias char-major-6-* lp" howto change that lp depends not only on parport, also on parport_pc ? |
| 15:32.42 | somiaj | ln_: no with gid and uid you can set the owner and group to anything user/group on your machine and with umask you can make the primisions anything you want, my suggestion is mount it with gid=<some group on your computer> then use umask=002 and will make it so everyone can read the file system and members in teh group can write to it. |
| 15:32.51 | dippo | for reading mail and writing mail interactively, yes |
| 15:32.59 | caphuso | dippo: and for writing non-interactively too |
| 15:33.18 | caphuso | try sending an attachment with mail(1) |
| 15:33.24 | dippo | heh |
| 15:34.07 | mrwoody | somiaj: i was doing what you were saying... but since it didn't work... i was trying to do the other thing, ok? |
| 15:34.07 | dippo | how do you do it in mutt, though? That's what I'm asking |
| 15:34.13 | dippo | I can't find anything in the manpage that indicates how |
| 15:34.25 | mrwoody | somiaj: and it used to work! but they changed something |
| 15:34.29 | *** join/#debian Phobo_ (~phoo@h192n1fls33o951.telia.com) |
| 15:34.29 | *** join/#debian anti- (~myreflect@quark.liquidweb.com) |
| 15:34.32 | caphuso | echo foo | mutt -s subject some@o.ne |
| 15:34.39 | *** join/#debian ca (~d33p@203.25.160.172) |
| 15:34.42 | dippo | huh |
| 15:34.44 | dippo | cool |
| 15:34.53 | caphuso | that's a bit too obvious, isn't it? |
| 15:34.57 | dippo | indeed' |
| 15:35.21 | ca | kjh is sending windows trojans |
| 15:35.25 | ca | someone kick him or something |
| 15:35.28 | ca | -kjh- DCC Send Melda.scr (62.135.44.163) |
| 15:35.30 | *** join/#debian Polar (~tiago@200.198.136.132) |
| 15:35.37 | *** part/#debian TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:35.47 | *** join/#debian blondz (vkkazs@pD9E290C6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:35.49 | ln_ | somiaj: thanks, got it. so it's 0x777^umask. I didn't understand that from the manpage. |
| 15:35.54 | *** join/#debian mirv (snapper@nu.ska.vi.vara.olydiga.net) |
| 15:35.57 | *** join/#debian newbie_dk (~newbie@213.237.37.9.adsl.kj.tiscali.dk) |
| 15:35.58 | Polar | #debian-br |
| 15:36.16 | *** join/#debian wasabi (~jhaltom@64.25.11.66) |
| 15:36.30 | *** part/#debian LoRez (lorez@lorez.staff.freenode) |
| 15:36.30 | *** join/#debian LoRez (lorez@lorez.staff.freenode) |
| 15:36.36 | mirv | 16:35 -kjh(~Emperor@62.135.44.163)- DCC Send Melda.scr (62.135.44.163) |
| 15:36.37 | mirv | 16:35 DCC SEND from kjh [62.135.44.163 port 4511]: Melda.scr [39kB] |
| 15:36.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ |
| 15:36.41 | mirv | wtf? |
| 15:36.44 | tarzeau | ljlane: there? |
| 15:36.45 | wasabi | got it too |
| 15:36.50 | somiaj | mrwoody: understandable, just was confused why you were talking about the NVIDIA*.run binary, I don't know of any way to extract the source from the nvidia package and compile it with make-kpkg to make a debian package. |
| 15:36.56 | wasabi | kjh = spamming virii |
| 15:36.57 | *** part/#debian kjh (~Emperor@62.135.44.163) |
| 15:36.59 | *** join/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host232-26.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 633] by debhelper |
| 15:37.08 | ljlane | tarzeau, yes |
| 15:37.08 | tarzeau | bob2: ElectricElf help help! |
| 15:37.11 | sussudio | can i somehow see what speed the ram on my motherboard is running under leeenux? |
| 15:37.19 | wasabi | LoRez those are .scr files, Windows screen savers, common virus distributor |
| 15:37.23 | mrwoody | somiaj: ok |
| 15:37.25 | tarzeau | ljlane: see what ca and mirv say |
| 15:37.31 | LoRez | wasabi: point? I'm not running windows, are you? |
| 15:37.32 | *** join/#debian maru (maru@L0201P16.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 15:37.37 | wasabi | No. :0 |
| 15:37.39 | wasabi | Eh |
| 15:37.40 | wasabi | True. |
| 15:37.44 | wasabi | No idea how many here are. :0 |
| 15:37.47 | mrwoody | somiaj: anyway i am going to forget about nvidia-kernel-source also because it is way too old.. and doesn't work on 2.6 for me |
| 15:37.50 | *** part/#debian ljlane (ljlane@66.93.83.133) |
| 15:37.50 | *** join/#debian ljlane (ljlane@66.93.83.133) |
| 15:37.54 | *** join/#debian conne (conne@C3829F15.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 15:38.02 | tarzeau | sussudio: if you find a way, if you have docs, i'll write the code |
| 15:38.15 | sussudio | tarzeau: :-P |
| 15:38.17 | peterS | sussudio: 'dmidecode' might give some mobo-specific information, but I doubt it |
| 15:38.35 | sussudio | peterS: it that one of the lm-sensors modules? |
| 15:39.13 | peterS | sussudio: it's an independent Debian package and depends only on libc6. I don't *think* it requires kernel lmsensors |
| 15:39.13 | *** join/#debian gwadboy_ (~fabgui@81.54.100.182) |
| 15:39.14 | somiaj | mrwoody: I personally just use the nvidia stuff for my 2.6 machine and have had no problems, though I do agree that its preferable to use make-kpkg, that is just the way I got it to work. |
| 15:39.19 | gwadboy_ | hello |
| 15:39.20 | *** join/#debian chapus (~chapus@168-226-67-77.speedy.com.ar) |
| 15:39.35 | *** join/#debian zytta (~eivind@ti221110a080-0407.bb.online.no) |
| 15:39.44 | luke | what is a good full/incremental multiple CD backup solution for linux? |
| 15:39.54 | zytta | HI |
| 15:39.55 | sussudio | peterS: i'm trying to figure out if Piggy's memory is running on pc66 or pc100.... it isn't mentioned anywhere in the mobo manual |
| 15:39.56 | zytta | I HATE DEBIAN |
| 15:39.56 | zytta | BYE |
| 15:39.58 | *** part/#debian zytta (~eivind@ti221110a080-0407.bb.online.no) |
| 15:40.03 | jamuraa_ | heh |
| 15:40.04 | tarzeau | luke: tar gzip and cdrecord with mkisofs ? |
| 15:40.07 | ljlane | heh |
| 15:40.10 | sussudio | zytta = gothtec |
| 15:40.18 | peterS | sussudio: I don't think there's any way to get to that in Linux. dmidecode is just a shot in the dark. |
| 15:40.25 | mrwoody | somiaj: we might have different chipsets... so you use 4496? |
| 15:40.30 | somiaj | must be an mplayer fan there....hatred with no reasons. |
| 15:40.35 | ljlane | sussudio, naw, friend of mine, testing for that dcc business |
| 15:40.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by LoRez |
| 15:41.06 | zu22 | tarzeau: i can _not_ connect to it |
| 15:41.12 | asg | sussudio: another satisfied customer eh? |
| 15:41.14 | tarzeau | zu22: yep neither can i, thanks |
| 15:41.23 | zu22 | np |
| 15:41.38 | somiaj | mrwoody: well the ram on my video card went bad and I'm RMAing it right now, so 4496 was the current release when I had the card...(:, but I used the nvidia 4496 with the patch from minion.de to get it running on my 2.6 kernel at the time. |
| 15:41.47 | sussudio | asg: must be using compaq |
| 15:42.28 | *** join/#debian meister_ (~meister@AStrasbourg-206-1-5-78.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:43.03 | sussudio | what do i need for linux to turn off the pc when i do shutdown -h now? acpi? |
| 15:43.10 | LoRez | sussudio: or apm |
| 15:43.15 | *** join/#debian Svetti_Arss (~sdsd@62.77.168.161) |
| 15:43.26 | *** join/#debian Pimpinella (frank@p50820C9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:43.27 | tarzeau | sussudio: in x or console? |
| 15:43.29 | sussudio | LoRez: i tried compiling acpi as modules but they're all giving unresolved symbols for some reason |
| 15:43.32 | sussudio | tarzeau: console |
| 15:43.35 | tarzeau | sussudio: xset b off; setterm -blength 0 ? |
| 15:43.49 | LoRez | sussudio: does linux support your acpi hardware well? |
| 15:44.00 | *** part/#debian meister_ (~meister@AStrasbourg-206-1-5-78.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:44.06 | sussudio | LoRez: i have no idea. it's a 440LX chipset based board. |
| 15:44.13 | *** join/#debian Korn (Korn@c-66-176-249-45.se.client2.attbi.com) |
| 15:44.23 | LoRez | sussudio: then you probably wanna stick with APM |
| 15:44.33 | *** join/#debian destroyer (~destroyer@063.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) |
| 15:44.33 | ln_ | when a user is added to a group this information does not seem to be updated for open shells. is there a way to force an update? |
| 15:44.36 | sussudio | LoRez: k thanks |
| 15:44.44 | *** join/#debian saapas (~saapas@ua99d175.elisa.omakaista.fi) |
| 15:44.57 | honschu | My, 2.6.0 modprobe.conf has: "alias parport parport_pc" and "alias char-major-6-* lp" howto change that lp depends not only on parport, also on parport_pc ? |
| 15:44.59 | somiaj | ln_: relog in..(: |
| 15:45.21 | *** join/#debian interoz (~roberto@81.208.60.201) |
| 15:45.42 | Peter_007 | hi, um, does anyone know anything about object oriteted in C++ ? |
| 15:45.46 | *** part/#debian newbie_dk (~newbie@213.237.37.9.adsl.kj.tiscali.dk) |
| 15:45.51 | mirv | Peter_007: yes |
| 15:45.56 | *** part/#debian Polar (~tiago@200.198.136.132) |
| 15:46.12 | interoz | how can i block everything that passes from port 27000 (kernel 2.6) |
| 15:46.29 | somiaj | Peter_007: #cpp may be a better place to ask such questions. |
| 15:46.36 | Peter_007 | cool. thanx. |
| 15:46.37 | chapus | plese, how can i convert an mp3 22100khz, to wav 16 bits 44100khz?? |
| 15:46.41 | *** join/#debian derf__ (derf@ares.penguinhosting.net) |
| 15:46.43 | *** join/#debian slang (david@se.vim.org) |
| 15:46.44 | ln_ | somiaj: yes. i know. but i need something better. i want to add a user to group 'console' as they log in so i can give them permission to use hotplugged devices such as memsticks, ipod etc. |
| 15:46.58 | mirv | interoz: use iptables? |
| 15:47.02 | interoz | chapus: are you going to burn it? |
| 15:47.30 | chapus | interoz: yes, and i cant |
| 15:47.31 | sussudio | chapus: sox? |
| 15:47.40 | *** join/#debian vile_maxim_ (~jeff@h28.156.196.65.blch.cablerocket.net) |
| 15:47.45 | maru | honschu: man modprobe.conf and look at the "install" command |
| 15:47.45 | Peter_007 | oh yeah, one more thing, Anyone know how to filter out the tape bad quality, there's alot of echos, how do you de-echo things. |
| 15:47.45 | ln_ | somiaj: what is causing the delayed update of the information? is it bash only reading /etc/group or nis or whatever only at startup? |
| 15:47.53 | chapus | susudio, i cant do it |
| 15:47.56 | somiaj | ln_: that's the only way I know of, is to log out and back in, though once you add them to the group all future logins are fine, its just the users that are loged in now that don't have it updated. |
| 15:48.06 | caphuso | chapus: mpg321 --cdr |
| 15:48.06 | chapus | sussudio, i need the command |
| 15:48.34 | vile_maxim_ | Are other people having problems getting xp home to see debian woody samba shares? (no PDC) |
| 15:48.40 | chapus | caphuso:lets see, one moment pleasr |
| 15:48.58 | slang | www.debian.org and security.debian.org down yet again? |
| 15:50.03 | vile_maxim_ | slang: timeing out here |
| 15:50.06 | chapus | caphuso: dont work, only play the file thi command |
| 15:50.21 | zu22 | slang: yup |
| 15:50.23 | ln_ | somiaj: too bad... |
| 15:50.27 | *** join/#debian luca__ (~Luca@host85-20.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:50.34 | luca__ | hello. |
| 15:50.37 | maru | vile_maxim: Whats the problem? are you seeing the computer but no shares or no computer at all? |
| 15:50.46 | caphuso | chapus: then you did something wrong. go read the man page |
| 15:50.46 | *** join/#debian luite (~luite@semafoor.xs4all.nl) |
| 15:50.48 | Pimpinella | I get several "Not loading .note.GNU-stack" while loading modules for X in my /var/log/XFree86.0.log. think it has something to do with stack-execution and exec-shield. Prob is, that i dont get additional fonts |
| 15:51.03 | Pimpinella | any idea how to solve this? |
| 15:51.08 | slang | zu22, not compromised again i hope? or have they just gone down? |
| 15:51.14 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 15:51.22 | luca__ | How can i know which sensor my trust 120 spacecom mounts? (google, trust don't help. the name is not written on the hardware) |
| 15:51.40 | tarzeau | http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt |
| 15:51.41 | vile_maxim_ | maru: no computers at all... BUT!!! if I use the "Add a netowrk place" "Wizard" and start to type in a computer name, the shares show up in the drop down menu ??? so it knows about them to some degree |
| 15:51.45 | zu22 | slang: dunno |
| 15:51.46 | *** join/#debian prodope (defeats@CPEd2cd2cd2cd2c-CM014340004223.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:51.52 | luca__ | any help would be MUCH appreciated |
| 15:52.45 | Pimpinella | luca__: whats that for kind of hardware? |
| 15:52.56 | vile_maxim_ | maru: I've done the starndard reboot 500 times too to see if that helps :) |
| 15:53.18 | chapus | caphuso: i put mpg123 --rate 44100 --stereo "filename" -w "filename.wav" but it makes of 22100khz |
| 15:53.31 | interoz | mirv: do u think this would do? iptables -A DROP -p all --source-port 2700 --destination-port 2700 |
| 15:53.39 | *** join/#debian Snow-Man (~sfrost@snowman.net) |
| 15:53.45 | Snow-Man | wtf, debian-overflow? |
| 15:54.07 | *** join/#debian Moof (~moof@anubis.kaotix.co.uk) |
| 15:54.16 | nomeata | what program do I use to view a 56385 x 37776 png? (its 2.5M) |
| 15:54.29 | tarzeau | nomeata: feh |
| 15:54.41 | luca__ | Pimpinella, webcam |
| 15:54.43 | tarzeau | nomeata: but you'll need alot of memory |
| 15:54.47 | tarzeau | nomeata: how much bpp? |
| 15:54.50 | *** join/#debian af_ (af@ip046-35-1.adsl.edisontel.com) |
| 15:54.52 | vile_maxim_ | maru: you have xp home machines using samba shares |
| 15:55.00 | mirv | interoz: well you need to specify on what chain to operate, there is a good howto on how to do that syff |
| 15:55.01 | tarzeau | nomeata: do you want to resize it? |
| 15:55.04 | nomeata | tarzeau: 8-bit |
| 15:55.04 | Moof | ok, this is probably a very FAQ - is security.debian.org down? |
| 15:55.09 | nomeata | tarzeau: most of it is blank, though. |
| 15:55.09 | tarzeau | nomeata: it's probably better to make tiff of it |
| 15:55.11 | luite | is there already a patch for the 2.6.x kernels? |
| 15:55.18 | tarzeau | http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt |
| 15:55.22 | tarzeau | Moof: it was only rebootet |
| 15:55.22 | Nord__ | How can i find .iso-files for the testing release? |
| 15:55.24 | nomeata | tarzeau: is's my keyring graphed by springgraph. |
| 15:55.30 | nomeata | tarzeau: using convert? |
| 15:55.33 | tarzeau | nomeata: yuck, how long did it take? |
| 15:55.37 | Nord__ | I have found some .img files in the releases but they dont boot. :( |
| 15:55.40 | streuner | Nord__: /msg apt d-i backup |
| 15:55.41 | tarzeau | nomeata: for example, how many sigs do you have? |
| 15:55.51 | tarzeau | nomeata: really try feh! |
| 15:55.57 | Pimpinella | luca__: no message in /var/log/messages ? |
| 15:55.58 | Nord__ | streuner, ok, thanks. |
| 15:56.00 | *** join/#debian HE_ (he@193.7.178.10) |
| 15:56.00 | chapus | plese, how can i convert an mp3 22100khz, to wav 16 bits 44100khz?? , i put mpg123 --rate 44100 --stereo "filename" -w "filename.wav" but it make the file of 22100khz |
| 15:56.02 | tarzeau | nomeata: or mogrify -resize 50% the.png |
| 15:56.12 | *** join/#debian Xaler (~ric@bb-203-125-3-56.singnet.com.sg) |
| 15:56.14 | zu22 | msg apt d-i backup |
| 15:56.30 | nomeata | tarzeau: some hours, on a ia64, 800MHz :-) |
| 15:56.35 | Moof | tarzeau: it take s a long time ot boot up... |
| 15:56.36 | maru | vile_maxim: Well, just for testing a WinXP Pro Notebook is running now and then |
| 15:56.40 | tarzeau | nomeata: yuck! |
| 15:56.59 | tarzeau | Moof: do you know how long it takes to milk a cow? |
| 15:57.01 | blondz | chapus: first output to STDOUT, then pipe to sox |
| 15:57.03 | zu22 | nomeata: what is the purpose of graphing your keyring??? |
| 15:57.09 | tarzeau | zu22: boredom |
| 15:57.15 | interoz | tarzeau: how long? |
| 15:57.22 | *** join/#debian Babamus (Babamus@kg142.kollegiegaarden.dk) |
| 15:57.22 | streuner | haha |
| 15:57.25 | zu22 | tarzeau: intense bordeom it appears (: |
| 15:57.27 | tarzeau | interoz: lol :) |
| 15:57.41 | Nord__ | What is sarge? |
| 15:57.44 | nomeata | tarzeau: well, image magick does not accept the file :-) (says "missing filename") |
| 15:57.45 | tarzeau | interoz: i don't know i never milked a cow |
| 15:57.53 | tarzeau | interoz: but they can give quite some milk! |
| 15:57.53 | interoz | tarzeau: ah ha! |
| 15:57.53 | chapus | blondz: how output to STDOUT? |
| 15:57.57 | streuner | Nord__: sarge=testing |
| 15:58.02 | nomeata | mogrify -resize 50% sigs3-2.png: mogrify: Missing an image filename. |
| 15:58.02 | interoz | tarzeau: no thanks :D |
| 15:58.04 | Nord__ | streuner, ok. :-) |
| 15:58.07 | zu22 | Nord__: a rank between private and corporal? :) |
| 15:58.11 | streuner | Nord__: /msg apt sarge |
| 15:58.16 | Moof | ok, differnet questiuons then, is there a mirror fo security.debian.org? |
| 15:58.21 | blondz | chapus: mpg321 -s |
| 15:58.27 | tarzeau | Moof: no afaik |
| 15:58.30 | tarzeau | Moof: google cache |
| 15:58.36 | tarzeau | Moof: or web.archive.com |
| 15:58.45 | tarzeau | org that is |
| 15:58.46 | zu22 | tarzeau: to which karsten would reply "MILK GOT? ;-)" |
| 15:58.54 | tarzeau | zu22: hehehe |
| 15:58.55 | bizkit | whats up with people.debian.org and security.debian.org? |
| 15:58.56 | *** join/#debian Switched (~switched@hashbang.slashbinslashbash.org) |
| 15:59.10 | *** part/#debian gunebakan (~Miranda@195.87.232.196) |
| 15:59.12 | Moof | bizkit: and www.d.o |
| 15:59.14 | Nord__ | But why do people have to go outside ftp.debian.org to find bootable versions of debian install media? |
| 15:59.23 | *** part/#debian Peter_007 (~xxdanhxx@231.brs0110.brs.iprimus.net.au) |
| 15:59.27 | Nord__ | Or maybe i dont got the point |
| 15:59.33 | caphuso | Nord__: because they want something unofficial |
| 15:59.39 | chapus | blondz: one moment im tryng |
| 16:00.25 | Nord__ | So the unstable and testing versions of debian inst officially bootable? |
| 16:00.45 | *** part/#debian Babamus (Babamus@kg142.kollegiegaarden.dk) |
| 16:01.08 | bizkit | should i use apache2 or apache1.3.x on my server? i've read apache2 has many improvements, but is it stable enough? |
| 16:01.10 | *** join/#debian UltraSub (~UltraSub@cp82705-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl) |
| 16:01.26 | caphuso | bizkit: do you need anything besides apache, e.g. php? |
| 16:01.39 | bizkit | yes |
| 16:01.47 | caphuso | bizkit: use 1.3 |
| 16:02.01 | bizkit | ok :) |
| 16:02.12 | chapus | blondz: whats wrong mpg123 -s 01\ -\ presentacion-minutos.mp3 |sox -r 44100 |
| 16:02.47 | *** join/#debian Elcidchateador (ircap75@139.Red-81-41-86.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:04.15 | *** join/#debian _mg_ (~Martin@p213.54.6.181.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 16:04.48 | Vicious | can anyone get security.debian.org or is it just me? |
| 16:04.57 | *** join/#debian gbay (gabriel@c630291a.j.bostream.se) |
| 16:05.05 | Pimpinella | chapus: he told u to use mpg321, thats a difference |
| 16:05.07 | *** part/#debian _mg_ (~Martin@p213.54.6.181.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 16:05.16 | Moof | Vicious: it appears to be down |
| 16:05.24 | *** join/#debian Zyroth (~zyroth@p5089F05E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:05.24 | Vicious | thx Moof |
| 16:05.36 | *** join/#debian Nurbs (tom@p50925EF0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:05.48 | blondz | chapus: first mpg321 track.mp3 -w out1.wav |
| 16:05.48 | *** join/#debian Cae2- (~Cae2@200.175.3.179.tbprof.gvt.net.br) |
| 16:06.03 | blondz | chapus: then sox out1.wav -r 44100 out2.wav |
| 16:06.12 | *** join/#debian sockmonk_ (~wsheldahl@moose.qx.net) |
| 16:06.22 | *** join/#debian BadOxygen (~BadOxygen@pD9E418FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:06.34 | blondz | chapus: file file out2.wav to check it worked |
| 16:06.41 | quant0rz | anyone here configured samba before? |
| 16:06.54 | vile_maxim_ | I'm thinking about upgrading to the backports.org's version of samba. Anyone using this. Is it stable for a production enviroment |
| 16:06.55 | vile_maxim_ | ]? |
| 16:06.59 | xj220 | quant0rz : sure |
| 16:07.02 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 16:07.17 | zu22 | yikes is it normal for cpu util to flatline when doing unpacking many packages after an install? anyway i can nice apt so it don't consume all my CPU after an upgrade? |
| 16:07.32 | *** join/#debian CASPesp (~andrius@212.122.74.82) |
| 16:07.37 | *** join/#debian Lennart (~len@152.52-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 16:07.48 | Shay | security.debian is down? |
| 16:08.00 | zu22 | i noticed same thing happens when i run updatedb and it processes many changes |
| 16:08.01 | Vicious | Shay: it appears so |
| 16:08.10 | J_P | thomas_adam you is here ? |
| 16:08.21 | quant0rz | xj220: i am having a problem with windows 98 for file sharing. i am on win2k at the moment, and i can browse through all the shared directories on the server, but when i try with win98 it will only let me see the root share directories, and when i try to access them it tells me that they don't exist... |
| 16:08.30 | *** join/#debian Ro0tSiEgE (Ro0tSiEgE@Ro0tSiEgE.sponsor.freenode) |
| 16:08.33 | Ro0tSiEgE | is security.debian.org down? |
| 16:08.35 | ruoso | Shay, as www.d.o |
| 16:08.35 | ryushe | which would should I take? reiserfsprogs or progsreiserfs ... ? |
| 16:08.48 | Vicious | Ro0tSiEgE: seems so |
| 16:08.49 | slang | Ro0tSiEgE, yes. |
| 16:08.50 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 16:08.59 | Ro0tSiEgE | so seems the website... |
| 16:09.18 | Ro0tSiEgE | is there a mirror for security? |
| 16:09.18 | *** join/#debian pattieja (~pattieja@63-252-5-1.ip.mcleodusa.net) |
| 16:09.24 | Vicious | no |
| 16:09.30 | Ro0tSiEgE | hmm |
| 16:09.33 | vile_maxim_ | quant0rz: maybe the permissions of the directory. Make sure the user has permission. |
| 16:09.40 | chapus | blondz: thanks |
| 16:09.44 | chapus | blondz: it works |
| 16:09.48 | blondz | chapus: np |
| 16:09.55 | xj220 | quant0rz : did you login on the win98 machine with the same username and password that you configured for the usser in the smbpasswd? |
| 16:09.58 | Ro0tSiEgE | Vicious: what if something happens to the place it's at? |
| 16:09.59 | *** join/#debian hacim (micah@micha.hampshire.edu) |
| 16:10.03 | quant0rz | xj220: yes |
| 16:10.07 | hacim | anyone have a patch for http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt ? |
| 16:10.23 | Vicious | Ro0tSiEgE: that's a good question, one they need to answer |
| 16:10.25 | caphuso | hacim: it's fixed in 2.4.24 |
| 16:10.32 | ruoso | maybe I've missed, anyone knows why www.d.o is down? |
| 16:10.38 | xj220 | quant0rz : what happens if you type the path manualy or mount it by using net use ? |
| 16:10.38 | caphuso | oh god |
| 16:10.46 | quant0rz | vile_maxim: one of my share directories is chmod 777 so it should be accessable |
| 16:10.49 | Ro0tSiEgE | Vicious: i also heard ingo (i know it was him) say 2.4 wouldnt be in debian until 2006-7 |
| 16:10.52 | slang | ruoso, nobody seems to know. |
| 16:10.54 | hacim | caphuso: yeah, I'm going to wait to upgrade to 2.4.24 until others have found things broken :p |
| 16:11.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | (er, i meant i think it was him) |
| 16:11.01 | *** join/#debian Lennart (~len@152.52-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 16:11.04 | fatal__ | ruoso: maybee it has something to do with the recently found security issues? |
| 16:11.19 | hacim | caphuso: I held back from upgrading to 2.4.23 becaue there were netfilter issues after a week |
| 16:11.21 | ruoso | fatal__, that was what i'm afraid of... |
| 16:11.24 | *** join/#debian DerBadejunge (DerBadejun@pD9ED3124.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:11.28 | ryushe | which would be better, or would make more sense to have, reiserfsprogs or progsreiserfs ... ? |
| 16:11.29 | quant0rz | xj220: same error |
| 16:11.40 | *** join/#debian kos (kos@adsl-68-124-61-238.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:11.48 | *** join/#debian xuser (~xuser@200.89.235.16) |
| 16:11.53 | xj220 | quant0rz : can you paste the error msg to me ? |
| 16:11.54 | caphuso | hacim: ok, then tell me what's stopping you from downloading the patch from 2.4.23 to 2.4.24 and extracting the mremap part of it? |
| 16:12.02 | caphuso | hacim: laziness or stupidity? |
| 16:12.03 | xuser | who uses two network interfaces? |
| 16:12.09 | tarzeau | xuser: i |
| 16:12.12 | caphuso | xuser: millions of people do |
| 16:12.13 | pattieja | xuser: ??? |
| 16:12.16 | hacim | caphuso: neither, I was hoping I would come here and be treated like shit for a little while first |
| 16:12.20 | pattieja | xuser: firewalls come to mind immediately |
| 16:12.28 | Vicious | lol |
| 16:12.30 | caphuso | hacim: good. glad that i could help with that |
| 16:12.38 | quant0rz | xj220: The folder "\\File\Server\Share" does not exist |
| 16:12.39 | tarzeau | caphuso: hehe :) |
| 16:12.46 | xuser | i want to setup eth1 for internet connection sharing |
| 16:12.54 | tarzeau | xuser: 2.2 or 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:13.00 | *** join/#debian some-god (~some-god@h18n2fls32o1110.telia.com) |
| 16:13.00 | xuser | 2.4 |
| 16:13.02 | ruoso | ryushe, I think reiserfsprogs, since there is e2fsprogs alreadty |
| 16:13.14 | xj220 | quant0rz : and you are positive that you have added that share in the smb.conf? |
| 16:13.15 | *** join/#debian dazedyugo (~dazed@www.vonsteuben.cps.k12.il.us) |
| 16:13.18 | vile_maxim_ | quant0rz: what do the logs say |
| 16:13.24 | dippo | anyone know what's up with www.debian.org? |
| 16:13.26 | quant0rz | vile_maxim: where do i find them? |
| 16:13.26 | *** join/#debian DerBadejunge (DerBadejun@pD9ED3124.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:13.32 | hacim | caphuso: i'd be happy to extract that particular patch if I knew how, not knowing how is not stupidity or laziness, especially if I am willing to do so and am eager to hear how |
| 16:13.33 | xj220 | quant0rz : try to start the samba demon, in verbose mode and look what it says. |
| 16:13.33 | tarzeau | dippo: they rebooted auric |
| 16:13.35 | quant0rz | xj220: yes, it works fine on my 2k box |
| 16:13.39 | tarzeau | dippo: i heard in #debian-devel |
| 16:13.41 | vile_maxim_ | quant0rz: /var/log/samba/ |
| 16:13.43 | caphuso | hacim: with an editor, preferably |
| 16:13.46 | dippo | did it go badly? :) |
| 16:13.50 | slang | tarzeau, does it take 40min to boot? :) |
| 16:13.52 | xuser | tarzeau, how did you configure eth1? |
| 16:13.56 | hacim | caphuso: understandably I should be breathing also |
| 16:14.03 | dazedyugo | hello all |
| 16:14.03 | xj220 | quant0rz : do you run 98se? |
| 16:14.04 | hacim | caphuso: but I am not asking for the obvious |
| 16:14.14 | tarzeau | slang: maybe they are upgrading hardware too |
| 16:14.23 | tarzeau | slang: or something happened that was not planned |
| 16:14.26 | dazedyugo | does anyone know what i need to do to get CUPS to recognize Samba printers? |
| 16:14.36 | slang | tarzeau, more likely the second thing you said. |
| 16:14.37 | dazedyugo | for some reason it's not finding them |
| 16:14.42 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: does it read W P S on the printer? |
| 16:14.43 | quant0rz | xj220: yes |
| 16:14.47 | ruoso | quant0rz, it's because of the mremap vulnerability? |
| 16:14.53 | dazedyugo | tarzeau: W P S? |
| 16:14.53 | caphuso | oh, that's nice. you can just download the mremap patch from kernel.org |
| 16:15.00 | tarzeau | apt wps |
| 16:15.02 | | it has been said that wps is windows printing system |
| 16:15.08 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: for you |
| 16:15.09 | xj220 | quant0rz : so what does the log / deamon (verbose) say ? |
| 16:15.22 | dazedyugo | tarzeau: when I look in the cups error log it says "bad name" ... I assume that means it doesn't know that the printer exists |
| 16:15.32 | xuser | pattieja, how did you setup eth1? |
| 16:15.38 | quant0rz | xj220: i am not sure how to start it |
| 16:15.42 | xuser | tarzeau, ? |
| 16:15.45 | *** join/#debian nowx (~nowx@suedu1-224-159.utaonline.at) |
| 16:15.47 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: i don't know about CUPS i only know d-cup |
| 16:15.49 | quant0rz | xj220: /etc/init.d/samba start is all i know |
| 16:15.56 | dazedyugo | tarzeau: additionally whenI try lpr -P printer_name ... it even says that printer doesn't exist |
| 16:15.56 | *** part/#debian Moof (~moof@anubis.kaotix.co.uk) |
| 16:16.03 | dazedyugo | tarzeau: what is d-cup |
| 16:16.08 | *** join/#debian patter (hidden-use@host213-106-233-77.no-dns-yet.ntli.net) |
| 16:16.10 | *** join/#debian mac (~mac@hades.dgp.toronto.edu) |
| 16:16.15 | thomas_adam | J_P: yes |
| 16:16.19 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: 5: any cup-shaped concavity; "bees filled the waxen cups with |
| 16:16.19 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.19 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.22 | thomas_adam | J_P: I'm here now |
| 16:16.30 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: d is one of the larger ones |
| 16:16.33 | dazedyugo | oh aren't you funny |
| 16:16.33 | xuser | caphuso, how did you setup eth1? |
| 16:16.34 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 16:16.36 | | Passed |
| 16:16.37 | *** join/#debian maru (maru@L0183P08.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:16.45 | caphuso | xuser: by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:16.51 | tarzeau | dazedyugo: printers are something i hate, right after scanners |
| 16:17.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 639] by debhelper |
| 16:17.02 | xj220 | quant0rz : use smbd -S or basicly look in the /var/log/ samba logifle |
| 16:17.08 | *** join/#debian Ubel (~jonorn@194-144-42-191.xdsl.is) |
| 16:17.12 | dazedyugo | tarzeau: at home cups just "knows" the samba printers exist... here it's not finding them... |
| 16:17.21 | xuser | caphuso, ok but how what should i edit to eht1? |
| 16:17.30 | mac | is it possible to do "apt-get install <foo>", but only if "foo" already installed? want something like "apt-get upgrade" but only for packages listed on command line... |
| 16:17.39 | caphuso | xuser: i don't know. ask your network admin |
| 16:17.46 | tarzeau | mac: apt-get upgrade does that |
| 16:17.48 | caphuso | he's the one with the proper specs |
| 16:17.49 | *** join/#debian SmileR (~smiler@c-13c370d5.026-7-6f72652.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:17.58 | tarzeau | mac: you can upgrade two packages with apt-get install a b |
| 16:18.02 | tarzeau | mac: apt-get update first |
| 16:18.06 | xuser | caphuso, there's no admiin just me |
| 16:18.08 | mac | tarzeau: but according to man page it does *all* packages |
| 16:18.08 | tarzeau | SmileR: happy new year |
| 16:18.16 | tarzeau | mac: all that are installed, yes |
| 16:18.17 | xuser | caphuso, i use dhcp fo eth0 |
| 16:18.19 | *** join/#debian michael__ (~michael@p508AD867.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:18.20 | *** join/#debian Snow-Man (~sfrost@snowman.net) |
| 16:18.23 | SmileR | tarzeau: to you to :) |
| 16:18.27 | tarzeau | SmileR: how are you? |
| 16:18.31 | mac | tarzeau: I just want one or two that I mention on cmd line |
| 16:18.38 | xuser | caphuso, i want to connect a laptop to eth1 |
| 16:18.40 | tarzeau | mac: apt-get install one or two then |
| 16:18.45 | *** join/#debian freyr (~freyr@dyn-69-16.tor.dsl.tht.net) |
| 16:18.45 | quant0rz | xj220: there is no verbose mode in the help menu |
| 16:18.47 | pattieja | xuser: under debian, you pretty much just mirror the configuration settings for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces or use the new network configuration menu (which I can't remember what it's called) |
| 16:18.47 | natron | what network related files does the debian woody installer edit ? (if completing the entire process except for installing the base system) |
| 16:18.51 | caphuso | xuser: then do it. what's your problem? |
| 16:19.00 | *** join/#debian offby1 (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 16:19.00 | ryushe | so what went wrong with the debian webserver? |
| 16:19.03 | caphuso | natron: /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:19.04 | tarzeau | natron: /etc/resolv.conf /etc/hosts /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:19.09 | mac | tarzeau: but "install" doesn't check whether installed already... I want a cross of install with upgrade |
| 16:19.10 | *** join/#debian DM|ppc|W (~davidm@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com) |
| 16:19.16 | natron | thanks |
| 16:19.16 | caphuso | ah, right /etc/host{s,name} too |
| 16:19.17 | SmileR | tarzeau: struggling with my gf wireless router.. stupid stuff.. Ill just use it as a switch and use up 5 ips from the ISP instead.. this shit is so unstable :( |
| 16:19.28 | tarzeau | mac: do some shell scripting then |
| 16:19.31 | xj220 | quant0rz : just look in the logfile, or start the smbd with the -S flag |
| 16:19.31 | *** join/#debian ANK_tr (~ANK_tr@abn167-110.ank-ports.kablonet.net.tr) |
| 16:19.35 | tarzeau | mac: or pay me, i'll do it gladly |
| 16:19.45 | thomas_adam | ~topicsmite thomas_adam |
| 16:19.49 | | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon thomas_adam. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:19.49 | *** join/#debian zig (~zig@f02v-7-76.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 16:19.51 | *** join/#debian uli (~uli@213.39.254.66) |
| 16:19.54 | uli | hi! |
| 16:20.10 | xuser | pattieja, caphuso my question is if should assign an ip to eth1 or something and how should i set up the box that is going to connect to eth1 |
| 16:20.34 | quant0rz | xj220: what's what i am trying to tell you, there is no -S option |
| 16:20.36 | uli | does anyone have an idea why my SSH session gets terminated after 6 hours? Is there a limit one can change? |
| 16:20.43 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@D5760AE4.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 16:20.44 | bizkit | are there no news about debian.org? it's down for me, www.debian.org, people.debian.org, security.debian.org etc. |
| 16:20.45 | *** join/#debian hippo (~me@cp11902-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) |
| 16:20.47 | *** join/#debian praetorian (~prae@209.145.205.15) |
| 16:20.53 | sussudio | ~one |
| 16:20.55 | | no one is ignoring you, sussudio. |
| 16:20.56 | tarzeau | bizkit: i'm waiting for it too |
| 16:20.57 | caphuso | xuser: yes, you should, and you should also setup IP masquerading. have a visit to tldp.org |
| 16:21.01 | *** join/#debian Ryuujin (~Ryuujin@D40AE791.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 16:21.01 | *** join/#debian gbon121 (~thePeps@bohr.pisa.iol.it) |
| 16:21.07 | quant0rz | xj220: and there are no errors in the logs |
| 16:21.18 | xj220 | quant0rz : according to the manpages there is ;), but the only thing it does is loging the errors to the stdout. |
| 16:21.24 | xuser | caphuso, is there a how to there? |
| 16:21.28 | offby1 | uli: that's an SSH faq. Briefly: your network administrators kill the session deliberately |
| 16:21.29 | vile_maxim_ | uli: no idea why it's getting terminated, but I've had sessions opened all weekend before |
| 16:21.40 | caphuso | xuser: plenty of howtos |
| 16:21.43 | *** join/#debian grzesiek (~grzesiek@195.194.24.20) |
| 16:21.43 | xj220 | quant : ok, sry, then I dont have any more ideas ;( |
| 16:21.50 | grzesiek | hi |
| 16:21.54 | offby1 | vile_maxim_: it depends on the policies of whoever runs your network. |
| 16:22.08 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:daba:ad0a) |
| 16:22.17 | pattieja | caphuso: I like setting up devices with the same network address as the "host" and then enabling IP forwarding and Proxy ARPing |
| 16:22.36 | caphuso | pattieja: good luck exlpaining proxy arp to xuser ;-) |
| 16:22.51 | pattieja | caphuso: this way, the "separate" device has the ability to access the network as well |
| 16:22.53 | *** part/#debian stuartyeates (snail@oucs-temp.oucs.ox.ac.uk) |
| 16:22.56 | gbon121 | hi all. does anybody know how to make mozilla-thunderbird 0.4 encrypt account passwords instead of base64 encoding them? |
| 16:22.59 | vile_maxim_ | quant: samba can be a bitch |
| 16:23.07 | quant | yeah |
| 16:23.11 | pattieja | caphuso: it just seems easier than iptables commands to get working |
| 16:23.16 | grzesiek | my sshd doesn't start anymore - when I run it sshd it quits right away but when run sshd -d it's ok. ofcourse /etc/init.d/ssh start doesn't work any ideas? |
| 16:23.19 | vile_maxim_ | quant: the samba room might be a little more helpful |
| 16:23.19 | offby1 | gbon121: there's a way, but I recall it sometimes takes some twiddling to get right |
| 16:23.20 | tarzeau | pattieja, caphuso what's proxy arping? |
| 16:23.24 | *** join/#debian andreasw (~andreasw@pD9E0C782.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:23.24 | pattieja | caphuso: although iptables definitely gives more control over the whole process |
| 16:23.25 | *** join/#debian Astfgl (foobar@dsl-213-023-013-081.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:23.30 | pattieja | tarzeau: hehe |
| 16:23.35 | uli | offby1, vile_maxim: thanx |
| 16:23.40 | quant | heh, you guys are more helpful |
| 16:23.41 | tarzeau | pattieja: i know ip forwarding, i know arp |
| 16:23.44 | maru | vile_maxim_: are the sambe server and the clients in the same workgroup? |
| 16:23.45 | pattieja | tarzeau: I'll give you a quick illustration from a real life scenario that I use |
| 16:23.47 | tarzeau | quant: than who? |
| 16:23.49 | xuser | pattieja, can you give the config of your devices? |
| 16:23.56 | vile_maxim_ | maru: yeah |
| 16:24.03 | hacim | hmm is security.debian.org down? |
| 16:24.12 | gbon121 | offby1, can you remember where to start? :-) |
| 16:24.13 | Vicious | hacim: yes |
| 16:24.23 | offby1 | gbon121: find the file prefs.js under ~/.mozilla, and edit it. unfortunately I can't tell you exactly how, but ... |
| 16:24.29 | pattieja | xuser: type this at a command prompt 'man interfaces' (without the ''s of course) |
| 16:24.32 | *** part/#debian ANK_tr (~ANK_tr@abn167-110.ank-ports.kablonet.net.tr) |
| 16:24.33 | vile_maxim_ | maru: I noticed there were wierd error messages in the logs... I'm going to test backports.org's samba |
| 16:24.47 | grzesiek | I think my computers been messed up with they are weird |
| 16:24.50 | maru | vile_maxim_ what error messages? |
| 16:25.02 | grzesiek | anyone have problems with sshd? |
| 16:25.16 | tarzeau | grzesiek: what version? openssh , lsh-server? |
| 16:25.19 | xuser | pattieja, no manual entry |
| 16:25.20 | tarzeau | grzesiek: works fine here |
| 16:25.22 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 16:25.23 | *** join/#debian MattyT (~photon@203-219-188-151-adl-pow-ts3-2600.tpgi.com.au) |
| 16:25.25 | pattieja | tarzeau: well, what proxy arping does is say to a network segment when someone on that segment asks for an address that exists behind another machine's interface, here it is, over here |
| 16:25.27 | hacim | Vicious: thanks |
| 16:25.44 | tarzeau | pattieja: ah i see |
| 16:25.54 | tarzeau | pattieja: two different networks? |
| 16:25.55 | grzesiek | mine just dont work anymore- stable openssh_3.4p1-1.woody.3 |
| 16:25.56 | hacim | can someone change the topic to reflect security.debian.org being down? |
| 16:25.59 | pattieja | tarzeau: then that machine proxies packets to the real host that is hanging off a segment that it can get to |
| 16:26.01 | grzesiek | debianppc |
| 16:26.07 | tarzeau | pattieja: is that like bridging? |
| 16:26.09 | vile_maxim_ | maru: [2003/12/23 08:38:35, 0] smbd/oplock.c:oplock_break(833) |
| 16:26.10 | maru | tarzeau:no the same subnet, you cvan build transparent firewalls with it for ex |
| 16:26.25 | grzesiek | any ideas what to do if sshd doesn't start? |
| 16:26.31 | tarzeau | maru: in the same network, aha! |
| 16:26.39 | tarzeau | maru: i got it now, thank you |
| 16:26.44 | tarzeau | pattieja: you as well, thanks |
| 16:26.56 | hippo | tarzeau can be on the same networt too. for instance if you use it in a bridge to virtual interfaces on the main box that have routeble ips |
| 16:27.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 651] by debhelper |
| 16:27.01 | *** join/#debian cmdline (cmdline@debian.linuxuser.net) |
| 16:27.04 | pattieja | tarzeau: only physically, but the hosts on the "different" network are in the same IP address range |
| 16:27.35 | *** join/#debian plugwash (plugwash@p10link.net) |
| 16:27.46 | plugwash | how do i find out what files are in a package? |
| 16:28.02 | tarzeau | plugwash: if the pkg is installed, dpkg -L pkg |
| 16:28.03 | DM|ppc|W | dpkg --contents isn't it? |
| 16:28.04 | grzesiek | plugwash dpkg -L |
| 16:28.04 | J_P | people, i have this error when i compile kernel 2.6-test11 in woody: |
| 16:28.06 | J_P | depmod: irttp_connect_request |
| 16:28.06 | J_P | make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 16:28.08 | dpkg | DM|ppc|W: i haven't a clue |
| 16:28.09 | maru | vile_maxim_ Well you should still be able to see the other computers |
| 16:28.11 | pattieja | where do the man pages exist? |
| 16:28.14 | hacim | J_P: see topic |
| 16:28.14 | J_P | anyone know what is problem ? |
| 16:28.23 | grzesiek | anyone? |
| 16:28.54 | *** join/#debian azreal (azreal@209-193-9-57-cdsl-rb1.jnu.acsalaska.net) |
| 16:28.55 | maru | vile_maxim: do a nmblookup -M -- - on the samba server, |
| 16:29.15 | caphuso | J_P: stop wasting your time compiling 2.6-test11, wait for a security fixed 2.6 kernel |
| 16:29.26 | *** join/#debian Giavol (user88344@213.91.132.93) |
| 16:30.00 | uli | offby1: I don't see anything in the SSH FAQ, can you tell me which FAQ you meant? |
| 16:30.19 | J_P | caphuso in SID is ok, but in woody have this problem above.. |
| 16:30.23 | Giavol | Hi. Has someone had any success using an Ever-Power UPS in linux? |
| 16:30.32 | *** join/#debian Active2 (~Active2@openbsd.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:30.34 | zu22 | non-us.debian.org (194.109.137.218) is down also |
| 16:30.50 | zu22 | any idea when it will be back? |
| 16:31.16 | streuner | J_P: you need with 2.6 kernels module-init-tools now |
| 16:31.18 | pattieja | xuser: I don't think this should be an issue, but make sure you have the 'netbase' and 'ifupdown' packages installed |
| 16:31.32 | pattieja | xuser: the man page for 'interfaces' is in the 'ifupdown' package |
| 16:31.44 | streuner | J_P: you get a backport for it at apt-get.org |
| 16:31.51 | J_P | streuner thank you! |
| 16:32.00 | maru | vile_maxim_: And? |
| 16:32.08 | pattieja | xuser: to check whether the packages you want are installed, do 'dpkg -l netbase ifupdown' |
| 16:32.11 | pattieja | at the command prompt |
| 16:32.14 | *** part/#debian DM|ppc|W (~davidm@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com) |
| 16:32.32 | pattieja | xuser: that's a dash ell, not one |
| 16:32.44 | boss | hi! i have a problem with my notebook (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M 7400) and the Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100. the problem is that i cannot use the wlan card, because it is not activated (the launch keys don't work). does anybody know how to solve this problem? |
| 16:33.21 | maru | boss: no native support for the card yet |
| 16:33.38 | boss | maru: no not yet, i use ndiswrapper |
| 16:33.42 | *** join/#debian dobby (~dobby@fhbb242-217.fhbb.ch) |
| 16:33.55 | dobby | how can i enable java support in Mozilla? |
| 16:33.55 | maru | boss: CVS or 0.0.3? |
| 16:34.06 | *** join/#debian L00thar (jjazz@tor58-19b-220-95.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 16:34.36 | hacim | ahhh, nothing like having 8 windows all compiling kernels on 8 different machines |
| 16:34.37 | azreal | dobby: plugindoc.mozdev.org |
| 16:34.56 | offby1 | hacim is Uber Nerd |
| 16:35.01 | boss | maru: o.3 |
| 16:35.03 | maru | hacim: you are compiling windows kernels? ;) |
| 16:35.09 | boss | maru: 0.3 |
| 16:35.18 | *** join/#debian gen (~vogon@p508AE89F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:35.18 | hacim | maru: no, patched 2.4.22 kernels with the mmap and mremap patches |
| 16:35.25 | *** join/#debian irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-85.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:35.40 | maru | boss: did you try with CVS, 0.3 didn't work with my Acer as well |
| 16:35.56 | xuser | pattieja, k thx |
| 16:36.42 | *** join/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 16:36.52 | *** join/#debian korvemake (bfkorvem@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) |
| 16:36.52 | boss | maru: no i didn't try this, yet |
| 16:37.09 | *** join/#debian epic (~epic@158.36.28.178) |
| 16:38.33 | *** join/#debian zamolxes (~zamolxes@p16.pub.ro) |
| 16:38.34 | boss | maru: but ndiswrapper detects the card; the problem is that the card is not activated |
| 16:38.39 | *** join/#debian xavier_ (~xavier@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) |
| 16:38.50 | *** join/#debian dings (lekang@ozelot.stud.ntnu.no) |
| 16:39.15 | *** join/#debian Ekaterin (eva@barbu.statslab.cam.ac.uk) |
| 16:39.32 | *** join/#debian newbie_dk (~newbie@213.237.37.9.adsl.kj.tiscali.dk) |
| 16:40.04 | *** join/#debian StRaWbErRy (~JM@d57-4-35.home.cgocable.net) |
| 16:40.30 | StRaWbErRy | Hey PLZ TELL ME IF MY CSS IS GOOD OR NOT ON DIFF BROWESERS http://StRaWbErRyJeN.netfirms.com |
| 16:40.41 | *** part/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host232-26.pool8248.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:40.49 | *** join/#debian Tybor_ (paolo@host169-55.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:41.17 | tarzeau | StRaWbErRy: A/S/L? |
| 16:41.24 | cmdline | heh |
| 16:42.00 | StRaWbErRy | 19/f/ny |
| 16:42.13 | grzesiek | my sshd doesn't start anymore - when I run it sshd it quits right away but when run sshd -d it's ok. ofcourse /etc/init.d/ssh start doesn't work any ideas? |
| 16:42.24 | xel | StRaWbErRy: introduce myself to her ;) |
| 16:42.29 | xel | tarzeau: hey friend. |
| 16:42.34 | *** join/#debian c0n (~c0n@50A2CEA2.flatrate.dk) |
| 16:42.53 | tarzeau | hi xel |
| 16:43.05 | tarzeau | apt nickometer `s`t`r`a`w`b`e`r |
| 16:43.05 | | '`s`t`r`a`w`b`e`r' is 99.9585% lame, tarzeau |
| 16:43.22 | gordonjcp | pretty lame, that |
| 16:43.22 | offby1 | grzesiek: yes, first look in /var/log/whatever for clues; then if you don't find any, edit init.d/ssh and add the `-v' switch to the invocation of sshd, so that it spews debugging messages. |
| 16:43.44 | zu22 | lol |
| 16:44.06 | zu22 | tarzeau: non-us.debian.org is also down |
| 16:44.17 | tarzeau | zu22: well i can't change it |
| 16:44.27 | *** join/#debian morph__ (~morph@m42-mp1.cvx2-b.pop.dial.ntli.net) |
| 16:44.27 | *** join/#debian mhelas (~mhelas@drm9-d9bb1356.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 16:44.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: nod, just letting u know |
| 16:44.29 | *** join/#debian Wiz4rd (WiZ4Rd@pD9E2ABDC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:44.32 | zu22 | j #netrek |
| 16:44.33 | zu22 | hey |
| 16:44.34 | *** join/#debian chaz (~chaz@cp.starryskies.com) |
| 16:44.35 | mirv | apt nickometer mirv |
| 16:44.35 | | 'mirv' is 0.000% lame, mirv |
| 16:44.43 | *** join/#debian wazer (~wazer@pcp07928687pcs.harwd01.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:44.47 | *** join/#debian kromagg (~kromagg@u212-239-146-117.dialup.planetinternet.be) |
| 16:44.52 | mhelas | is w.d.o down? |
| 16:45.06 | tarzeau | maybe we should put it in the topic? |
| 16:45.09 | tarzeau | mhelas: yes |
| 16:45.17 | mhelas | tarzeau: sorry ;-) |
| 16:45.19 | madness | can someone remind me how to rebuild a buggered /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 16:45.26 | caphuso | madness: dselect update |
| 16:45.30 | madness | caphuso: ta |
| 16:45.58 | tarzeau | haha http://bash.org/?42196 |
| 16:46.09 | *** join/#debian Tybor__ (paolo@host180-38.pool80117.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:46.26 | *** join/#debian trefle_v (~trefle_v@ABoulogne-105-1-4-60.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:46.39 | streuner | tarzeau: L+B is genius |
| 16:46.53 | tarzeau | streuner: l+b? |
| 16:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 661] by debhelper |
| 16:47.03 | mhelas | tarzeau: thats old.... |
| 16:47.05 | streuner | tarzeau: Layo + Bushwacka |
| 16:47.08 | *** join/#debian gazzu (~gazzu@customer-200-79-67-93.uninet.net.mx) |
| 16:47.20 | *** join/#debian Lancelot_ (~Lancelot@75.74.203.62.dial.bluewin.ch) |
| 16:47.23 | Ekaterin | Is it possible to compile kernel 2.6.0 under woody? I just tried it and got some nasty messages about "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" when I rebooted. I suspect that modutils (and maybe some other packages too) need upgrading. Help? |
| 16:47.49 | streuner | Ekaterin: you need module-init-tools |
| 16:47.51 | peterS | Ekaterin: you need to install 'module-init-tools' which is not distributed with woody |
| 16:47.58 | peterS | Ekaterin: you'll have to find a backport, or compile it yourself |
| 16:48.00 | *** join/#debian Sketchs (Sketch@ACD0C3EF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 16:48.04 | *** part/#debian Sketchs (Sketch@ACD0C3EF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 16:48.08 | streuner | Ekaterin: apt-get.org |
| 16:48.18 | *** join/#debian themolest (~me@117-38.9-67.se.rr.com) |
| 16:48.20 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@ip67-95-150-40.z150-95-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 16:48.27 | mhelas | Ekaterin: www.backports.org.... |
| 16:48.31 | abrotman | something happen to gluck? |
| 16:48.57 | *** part/#debian jenni (~JM@d57-4-35.home.cgocable.net) |
| 16:49.07 | *** join/#debian SocketERR (~matrix@p50839655.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:49.15 | mhelas | tarzeau: you definitifly sould.... |
| 16:49.25 | mhelas | s/sould/should |
| 16:49.34 | tarzeau | mhelas: i can't |
| 16:49.52 | morph__ | I'm trying to recover my debian root partition (fsck -r) and I get "Error reading block somenumber (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. Ignore error<y>?" Is that a failing disc? Is it ok to say yes? |
| 16:49.55 | tarzeau | ljlane: bob2: maybe you can say d.o is not reachable |
| 16:50.00 | tarzeau | (in the topic) |
| 16:50.12 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 16:50.14 | abrotman | wait .. did gluck die again? |
| 16:50.20 | caphuso | morph__: failing disks, ignore for now and replace ASAP |
| 16:50.22 | abrotman | gluck is www.d.o right? |
| 16:50.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: was it back again? |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*blootbot@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@nu.gg *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@202.88.241.78 *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@212.86.247.43] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.42] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net nugg!*@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@202.129.1.48 *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.42 | *** mode/#debian [+qq pmm!*@* *!root@*] by silverberg.freenode.net |
| 16:50.43 | streuner | abrotman: yep |
| 16:50.51 | *** join/#debian rcw (~rcw@206-124-146-40.blarg.net) |
| 16:50.55 | abrotman | like .. hardware .. or software died? |
| 16:50.57 | *** join/#debian Jockas (~jockas@213.204.154.58) |
| 16:50.59 | *** join/#debian tee1 (~ptee@p50832B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:51.09 | Jockas | hello everyone |
| 16:51.13 | slang | non-us.debian.org is also dead. |
| 16:51.23 | morph__ | caphuso: thanks |
| 16:51.26 | slang | wait |
| 16:51.29 | slang | it got back :) |
| 16:52.06 | slang | security.debian.org also seems back. |
| 16:52.14 | *** part/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 16:52.15 | *** join/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 16:52.22 | Jockas | anyone know if theres a driver for ATI Radeon IGP 345M gfx cards, please ? |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | Jockas: did you check xfree.org? |
| 16:52.40 | tee1 | hi, how can I change LANGUAGE under console please? |
| 16:52.47 | *** part/#debian jmitchell (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 16:52.59 | Jockas | abrotman: no, its there ? |
| 16:53.04 | morph__ | "Force rewrite<y>?" Will I lose any data doing that? (/etc/passwd can't be read anyway) |
| 16:53.16 | abrotman | Jockas: which version of xfree? |
| 16:54.05 | mhelas | tee1: export LANGUAGE=<new language> |
| 16:54.12 | *** join/#debian JinDrak (~wonttell@port48.ds1-bi.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:54.13 | Jockas | abrotman: 4.3.0 |
| 16:54.45 | tee1 | mhelas : that last for only a while? if it works when i log-on to other tty? |
| 16:55.09 | mhelas | write it in your .rc-file |
| 16:55.09 | *** join/#debian [Jan] (~jan@D5762C19.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 16:55.28 | mhelas | .bashrc, .zshrc whatever you use |
| 16:55.33 | abrotman | Jockas: http://xfree.org/4.3.0/Status6.html#6 |
| 16:55.41 | *** join/#debian run_apt (~run_apt@oh-liberty2b-141.lbrtoh.adelphia.net) |
| 16:55.42 | tee1 | mhelas , thanks : ) |
| 16:55.47 | *** join/#debian maru (maru@L0194P18.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:56.07 | abrotman | so whats wrong with gluck? |
| 16:56.08 | Jockas | abrotman: tnx m8 |
| 16:56.25 | morph__ | Jockas: I think there are proprietry drivers |
| 16:56.45 | *** join/#debian ob1 (~ob1@212-100-173-183.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 16:57.11 | mhelas | tee1: apt-get install language-env might help as well |
| 16:57.38 | *** join/#debian Anarky (~byte@host59-96.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:58.19 | *** join/#debian Lennart (~len@152.52-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 16:58.23 | Jockas | mine isnt there :( it will be soon i hope |
| 16:58.24 | *** join/#debian hps (~hps@L0872P26.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:58.33 | abrotman | they say radeon |
| 16:58.37 | *** join/#debian offby1 (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 16:58.39 | tee1 | mhelas : i still encouter a prob..my sys doesn't read .bashrc when i login (i use bash) so do i need to reboot before log to the console |
| 16:58.55 | zu22 | ok this is weird when i go to ping an outside site it says: Warning: no SO_TIMESTAMP support, falling back to SIOCGSTAMP, WARNING: kernel is not very fresh, upgrade is recommended. and for each try it says: From pitts-69-72-18-1.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net (69.72.18.1): icmp_seq=6 Packet filtered, that is my dynamic IP, but why is it saying packet filtered? i am not running any firewall, is my ISP preventing me from running p |
| 16:59.00 | mhelas | exec bash |
| 16:59.14 | *** join/#debian phrax (~phrax@port874.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:59.18 | *** part/#debian phrax (~phrax@port874.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:59.29 | offby1 | tee1: does your .bash_profile read .bashrc? If not, make it do so |
| 16:59.33 | *** join/#debian shisa (~shisa@61.208.179.93) |
| 16:59.47 | zu22 | also when i run traceroute it gives warning: traceroute: Warning: findsaddr: error sending netlink message: Connection refused. traceroute: Warning: ip checksums disabled. what is going on? |
| 16:59.50 | *** join/#debian anti- (~myreflect@quark.liquidweb.com) |
| 16:59.56 | Jockas | its worth a good try, thanks |
| 17:00.10 | *** join/#debian gothtec (~ohmygoth@ti211310a080-4979.bb.online.no) |
| 17:00.19 | tee1 | mhelas : thanx a lot. now it work : ) |
| 17:00.29 | streuner | zu22: custom kernel? |
| 17:00.38 | *** join/#debian Quasimodo (Highlander@p213.54.38.95.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 17:01.05 | zu22 | streuner: it is the kernel shipped with potato install CD |
| 17:01.05 | Jockas | bbl: then on a debian system i hope : |
| 17:01.20 | Quasimodo | Ach Du scheibenkleister, das beruhigt mich jetzt aber ungemein, daß ich nicht der einzige bin, der Debian noch nicht so ganz kapiert ;) |
| 17:02.00 | tee1 | mhelas : i installed language-env but cannot see its bin file.. |
| 17:02.00 | zu22 | streuner: any idea about those ping/traceroute errors? i haven't touched the kernel since potato install CD installed it |
| 17:02.12 | *** join/#debian Jens_Kidman (~Haake@200.72.186.163) |
| 17:02.16 | *** join/#debian protoloco_ (~segfault@dup-148-233-207-82.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 17:02.30 | *** part/#debian paquin (~paquin@213.254.5.45) |
| 17:02.36 | *** join/#debian oyoy (~oyoy@104.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:02.42 | streuner | zu22: behind a gateway/router? |
| 17:02.45 | *** join/#debian debian (~mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk) |
| 17:02.51 | *** join/#debian nighter (~mikael@as1-2-1.far.s.bonet.se) |
| 17:03.05 | zu22 | streuner: not AFAIK. i just connect to my ISP via PPP dialup and they give me a dynamic IP |
| 17:03.16 | *** join/#debian Jonzl|weg (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 17:03.16 | zu22 | streuner: i run no firewall or anything |
| 17:03.18 | streuner | zu22: ic |
| 17:03.21 | mhelas | tee1: /usr/bin/set-language-env |
| 17:03.37 | zu22 | streuner: the error messages sound like my kernel is missing something no? |
| 17:03.41 | streuner | zu22: what version of debian? |
| 17:03.44 | *** join/#debian JasonBoxWork (~jasonb@n128-227-41-18.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 17:03.45 | morph__ | "Entry 'passwd' in /etc (1798721) has deleted/unused inode somenumber. Clear<y>?" Joy. |
| 17:03.48 | zu22 | steuner: sarge (testing) |
| 17:03.52 | *** join/#debian virus (6361-ident@pD951A9E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:04.17 | *** join/#debian Forcemstr (~jon@p50891AE8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:04.22 | *** join/#debian Spike-Sp (spike@d80-170-60-49.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 17:04.30 | *** part/#debian Quasimodo (Highlander@p213.54.38.95.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 17:04.32 | mhelas | tee1: dpkg -L <package-name> is your friend |
| 17:04.32 | virus | what package do I need to install in order to get an mod_proxy apache1 module? |
| 17:04.32 | streuner | zu22: pick one of apt-cache search kernel-image-2.x.x |
| 17:04.50 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@157.182.195.88) |
| 17:04.57 | zu22 | streuner: u want me to install a new kernel image? |
| 17:05.17 | streuner | zu22: yep, or you just compile a new one |
| 17:05.26 | zu22 | streuner: my /etc/network/interfaces just has 2 lines: 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopbacc' |
| 17:05.51 | zu22 | streuner: i will need read up on kernel image install before i can do that (it's been a while), last time i did it my modules were all messed up heh |
| 17:05.53 | streuner | zu22: nah, your interface file shouldn't be the reason |
| 17:05.54 | *** part/#debian Crake (~user@tcdec3.bham.ac.uk) |
| 17:06.26 | zu22 | streuner: i can understand the kernel specific error since i have old kernel but the "packet filtered" message puzzles me, unless my ISP is filtering on THEIR end |
| 17:06.32 | *** join/#debian lepton (~john@c-67-163-24-167.client.comcast.net) |
| 17:07.07 | *** join/#debian Dibbler (~Dibbler@snaddy.plus.com) |
| 17:07.20 | *** part/#debian JasonBoxWork (~jasonb@n128-227-41-18.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 17:07.21 | *** join/#debian Morphous (~jan@p50927AB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:07.46 | run_apt | is the forcedeth driver in the 2.6 kernel? If so, what is it listed as? |
| 17:07.51 | zu22 | streuner: after i install image packe (or compile new kernel) i recall i need to move my old modules directory away? and also i must do something else but i forget. ? |
| 17:08.10 | *** join/#debian scoopexH (~marc@dhcp002.LF.net) |
| 17:08.25 | streuner | zu22: no worries, we blow your system away :-) |
| 17:08.47 | *** join/#debian RinzeWind (~chema@2001:800:40:260c:0:0:1127:2) |
| 17:08.52 | SocketERR | could anyone do a portscan againt my ip, plz. (80.131.150.85) |
| 17:09.08 | morph__ | are udf cdrs usable in linux yet? |
| 17:09.12 | caphuso | SocketERR: why would we want to do that? |
| 17:09.12 | tee1 | mhelas : i got it but i cannot see us lang. i would like to set lang as "us" but keyboard as "de" ...i have to loadkey everytimes i use console not from x. (under x is ok) |
| 17:09.37 | *** join/#debian twiztar (twiztar@oslo-dhcp-253-111.bluecom.no) |
| 17:09.41 | SocketERR | caphuso: i wanna check the portsentry installation. |
| 17:09.41 | peterS | morph__: read-only, sure, they should be. |
| 17:10.03 | morph__ | peterS: no write? |
| 17:10.06 | zu22 | streuner: heh i think i better find out how to backup system before i install new kernel. i have cd-rw drive but have no clue how to get it working in debian. also not sure the easiest way to do full system backup (tar command?) any tips? |
| 17:10.12 | *** join/#debian xai (~pasta@user-0vvdbe1.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 17:10.20 | streuner | zu22: nah |
| 17:10.21 | *** join/#debian patter (hidden-use@host213-106-233-77.no-dns-yet.ntli.net) |
| 17:10.26 | xai | Does unstable have a cvsup package? |
| 17:10.38 | *** join/#debian dbeal (dbeal@adsl-67-119-152-198.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 17:10.41 | grzesiek | why would sshd not start? unles its with -D or -d option? |
| 17:10.41 | streuner | zu22: you don't need any worries for a simple kernel-upgrade |
| 17:10.53 | tarzeau | grzesiek: wrong configuratoin? |
| 17:10.56 | tarzeau | grzesiek: no interface up? |
| 17:10.59 | peterS | morph__: I don't believe the packet writing patch is in 2.6 - or perhaps it is, but the UDF write support is not considered stable yet. either way, it's probably best not to rely on CD-RW write capability being there |
| 17:11.03 | zu22 | streuner: ok, i'd still like to know how to get cd-rw working and how make full system backup though ;) |
| 17:11.16 | grzesiek | tarzeau - no ip end everything is ok |
| 17:11.22 | mhelas | tee1: no idea atm |
| 17:11.49 | tarzeau | grzesiek: ifconfig shows no interface configured? |
| 17:11.52 | *** join/#debian Xybernau1 (~GreyCat@dsl81-215-41667.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) |
| 17:11.53 | *** join/#debian SocketERR_ (~matrix@pD9E39A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:12.00 | tee1 | mhelas : : ) nevermind |
| 17:12.09 | grzesiek | tarzeau : no it does show eth0 and lo |
| 17:12.15 | tarzeau | grzesiek: with ip? |
| 17:12.29 | grzesiek | tarzeau : yes |
| 17:12.42 | tarzeau | grzesiek: well did you try /var/log daemon.log ? |
| 17:12.45 | streuner | zu22: to get your cdrw working just/msg apt newbiedoc |
| 17:12.54 | grzesiek | tarzeau : everything is up webserver smtp everything but not ssh!:( |
| 17:13.08 | tarzeau | it has nothing to do with it, read the daemon.log |
| 17:13.27 | tarzeau | grzesiek: unless, are you low on memory, free -m ? |
| 17:13.54 | grzesiek | tarzeau : mem is fine |
| 17:14.09 | grzesiek | tarzeau : and I dont have deamon.log |
| 17:14.10 | tarzeau | grzesiek: you make me think i'm drunk |
| 17:14.20 | *** join/#debian gelignite (geli@pD9FF423F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:14.25 | *** join/#debian word (word@24-168-135-137.nj.rr.com) |
| 17:14.26 | grzesiek | tarzeau : I'm thinking I'm crazy by now |
| 17:14.27 | *** join/#debian karma (~karma@193.124.249.57) |
| 17:14.29 | tarzeau | grzesiek: in /var/log/daemon.log you don't have that? |
| 17:14.31 | *** part/#debian karma (~karma@193.124.249.57) |
| 17:14.31 | *** join/#debian marf (~gestiones@80.28.168.252) |
| 17:14.34 | zu22 | streuner: thx :) what is the most stable and solid 2.4.x kernel i should install? (i dont want risk a 2.6 kernel) |
| 17:15.05 | streuner | zu22: 2.6.0 kernel are stable by the way |
| 17:15.12 | grzesiek | tarzeau : wait |
| 17:15.13 | streuner | s/kernel/kernels/ |
| 17:15.16 | mirv | zu22: 2.4.24 since the others have local root exploit :) |
| 17:15.34 | grzesiek | what's ippl? |
| 17:15.42 | grzesiek | tarzeau : what's ippl? |
| 17:15.58 | tarzeau | grzesiek: apt-cache show ippl |
| 17:16.21 | *** join/#debian inomine (~lorealis@81-86-245-42.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 17:16.42 | *** join/#debian Zaphod (~willi@b-180-25-81.ma.dial.de.ignite.net) |
| 17:17.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 670] by debhelper |
| 17:17.15 | *** join/#debian J_P (~jp@200-101-192-178.fnsce7004.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 17:17.27 | *** join/#debian krazZAD (~knoppix@pD95573E0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:17.28 | *** part/#debian Zaphod (~willi@b-180-25-81.ma.dial.de.ignite.net) |
| 17:17.34 | J_P | people, what is error : lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented ? |
| 17:17.37 | *** join/#debian GunZ (~none@PC170-157.hall.stamford.kcl.ac.uk) |
| 17:17.45 | caphuso | J_P: PEBCAK |
| 17:18.11 | caphuso | more specifically: clueless kernel compiler failed to read the requirements of his new kernel |
| 17:18.16 | GunZ | has anybody been able to install debian while their hard disks were on raid configuration? |
| 17:18.52 | zu22 | mirv: thx |
| 17:19.02 | *** join/#debian mad (~mad@134.Red-80-37-127.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:19.06 | zu22 | streuner: ok but i heard it's more risky to run 2.6.0 ATM |
| 17:19.14 | J_P | caphuso what is PEBCAK ? |
| 17:19.15 | *** join/#debian daveb (~dave@alb-24-194-208-106.nycap.rr.com) |
| 17:19.31 | krazZAD | can someone tell me how to get a functional boot disk ? i tried mkboot but i always get a kernel panic when i boot from that disk |
| 17:19.38 | *** part/#debian daveb (~dave@alb-24-194-208-106.nycap.rr.com) |
| 17:19.39 | *** join/#debian abcnew (~abc@203.210.131.108) |
| 17:20.06 | *** join/#debian jsumners (~jsumners@dyn53-211.clayton.edu) |
| 17:20.15 | *** join/#debian jenova (alice@161.246.7.135) |
| 17:20.18 | krazZAD | pls help a newbie :) |
| 17:20.25 | *** join/#debian guesser (~karma@193.124.249.57) |
| 17:20.30 | boss | hi! i have a problem with my notebook (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M 7400) and the Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100. the problem is that i cannot use the wlan card, because it is not activated (the launch keys don't work). does anybody know how to solve this problem? |
| 17:20.45 | guesser | if someone using ctwm, can you please give me your config to me ? |
| 17:21.23 | *** join/#debian code_ (code@MCCXXXV.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 17:21.27 | *** join/#debian revenger_ (~mare@bulldog.infosys.de) |
| 17:22.10 | revenger_ | can anyone explain the override format on a debian package server? |
| 17:22.23 | caphuso | J_P: Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 17:22.30 | streuner | krazZAD: #knoppix |
| 17:22.31 | J_P | caphuso hahahahah |
| 17:22.43 | sussudio | ~pebcam |
| 17:22.45 | | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico. |
| 17:22.45 | *** join/#debian MiXeN_dK (~mikkel2@0x50a45569.boanxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 17:22.49 | *** join/#debian ribnitz (robert@adsl-business-212-101-26-219.solnet.ch) |
| 17:22.52 | *** join/#debian Penfold (~mike@hawk.altrion.org) |
| 17:22.58 | *** join/#debian protoloco__ (~segfault@dup-148-221-11-5.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 17:23.02 | J_P | caphuso you can help ? |
| 17:23.03 | grzesiek | tarzeau : there is nothing in daemon.log. /etc/init.d/ssh start does nothing so as sshd on its own only sshd -D runs any ideas? |
| 17:23.23 | *** join/#debian snoke (~snoke@dnalk22-27.verkkotieto.fi) |
| 17:23.25 | fatal__ | J_P: http://www.linux.org.uk/~davej/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt |
| 17:23.31 | *** join/#debian siar (~siar@h24-79-77-20.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 17:23.33 | krazZAD | danke streiner |
| 17:23.34 | J_P | ok |
| 17:23.45 | caphuso | J_P: i already did point out what you did wrong |
| 17:23.48 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 17:24.09 | siar | hey whats the debian equivalent of the openssl-devel rpm ? |
| 17:24.24 | J_P | caphuso sorry, but o not see this message then.. |
| 17:24.26 | tee1 | does xserver read XF86config-4 file to start x, right? i also found XF86config.in ...just wondered if it is used only by knoppix ... i changed mouse setting but it doesn |
| 17:24.26 | caphuso | siar: libssl-dev |
| 17:24.29 | *** join/#debian Invictus (invictus@216.233.208.75) |
| 17:24.34 | caphuso | J_P: right under i told you PEBCAK |
| 17:24.36 | ribnitz | siar: openssl-dev, probably libopenssl.. |
| 17:24.40 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@157.182.195.88) |
| 17:25.14 | tee1 | my mouse doesn't work on x although i changed setting on xf86config-4... |
| 17:25.14 | ribnitz | tee1: that pretty much depends on your X |
| 17:25.17 | grzesiek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.18 | *** join/#debian luite (~luite@semafoor.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:25.24 | *** join/#debian acs (~acs@163.Red-217-126-151.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:25.30 | tee1 | ribnitz what do u mean, ? |
| 17:25.40 | siar | caphise:~ ////\\ |
| 17:25.42 | ribnitz | tee1: iirc, its a compile-time-option |
| 17:25.44 | LoRez | grzesiek: what is that first group of words supposed to mean? |
| 17:25.46 | siar | ? thanks |
| 17:25.55 | Penfold | evening all. what is going to happen to sarge apache-perl? (I know how to work round it, just wondering about an ETA/the story) |
| 17:25.58 | *** join/#debian iostream (iostream@3E6B2881.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 17:26.11 | lepton | boss: check out the linux wireless lan howto |
| 17:26.34 | tee1 | ribnitz ; iirc ? |
| 17:26.35 | *** part/#debian cmdline (cmdline@debian.linuxuser.net) |
| 17:26.42 | *** join/#debian swerve (~swerve@dsl-217-155-115-178.zen.co.uk) |
| 17:26.43 | iostream | Everyone please read http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt (new local root exploit) |
| 17:26.48 | J_P | caphuso thank yuu for your help! |
| 17:26.52 | caphuso | iostream: /topic |
| 17:27.00 | iostream | caphuso: oh ;) silly me |
| 17:27.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 677] by debhelper |
| 17:27.04 | ribnitz | tee1: if i remember correctly |
| 17:27.07 | caphuso | iostream: indeed |
| 17:27.09 | ribnitz | apt, iirc? |
| 17:27.11 | | iirc is probably "if I recall correctly" |
| 17:27.17 | zu22 | iostream: did M$ hire some people to attack the kernel or what heh. so many exploits in past few months! |
| 17:27.25 | grzesiek | LoRez : sshd doesn't work on stable "/etc/init.d/ssh start" does not show any error and does not start sshd. you can only start sshd by typing "sshd -D" any ideas whats wrong/how to fix it? |
| 17:27.27 | tam | anyone know how to get debian to stop looking for a display on boot ? i.e. an alt f command or something? |
| 17:27.31 | iostream | zu22: Im wondering about that too |
| 17:27.50 | caphuso | tam: "looking for a display on boot"? |
| 17:27.50 | tee1 | ribnitz : my mouse doesn't work on x after i made several changes hehehe.. |
| 17:27.50 | LoRez | grzesiek: it works on stable just fine here. |
| 17:28.05 | caphuso | tam: is that a weird description of "i want to disable the display manager"? |
| 17:28.08 | grzesiek | LoRez : not on mine - two of them! |
| 17:28.16 | LoRez | grzesiek: then how are you breaking them? |
| 17:28.19 | tam | caphuso: aye, sure is. :-/ |
| 17:28.30 | caphuso | tam: apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm login.app pdm |
| 17:28.39 | tee1 | ribnitz : so i wondered if fist time starting x, the x read only XF86Config-4 or something else . |
| 17:28.43 | tam | caphuso: i can't get to a prompt to do that either. |
| 17:28.50 | caphuso | tam: ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 17:29.12 | grzesiek | LoRez : they just stoped working - boxes were up for a while I rebooted one sshd gone second same! its debianppc btw |
| 17:29.19 | *** part/#debian ruoso (~ruoso@200.164.140.241) |
| 17:29.20 | tam | caphuso: thanks |
| 17:29.33 | *** join/#debian code__ (~code@MCCXXXV.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 17:30.31 | *** join/#debian hexem (~hexem@user-7544.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 17:30.56 | *** join/#debian Acid`X (~acid@200.84.157.34) |
| 17:30.58 | sgeigerbot | grzesiek: apt-get install --reinstall ssh |
| 17:31.49 | *** part/#debian swerve (~swerve@dsl-217-155-115-178.zen.co.uk) |
| 17:31.55 | *** part/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 17:32.03 | grzesiek | sgeigerbot : no fun ... same I think there is big time bug |
| 17:32.20 | *** join/#debian Zap-W (zapw@80.179.2.130.forward.012.net.il) |
| 17:32.22 | xai | Does unstable have a cvsup package? |
| 17:32.28 | Zap-W | where is licq in sarge |
| 17:32.35 | caphuso | xai: no |
| 17:32.39 | xai | I see a bug report in Testing, but nothing subsequent. |
| 17:33.10 | *** join/#debian nobody_at_nowher (~jbecker@pD958AEC7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:33.10 | xai | caphuso: is it because of the bug in Modula3? |
| 17:33.16 | *** join/#debian prologic (~prologic@daisy.shortcircuit.net.au) |
| 17:33.19 | *** join/#debian TrUmPy (~OseF@lns-th2-4f-81-56-244-150.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 17:33.19 | *** join/#debian ppp (~ppp@host153-65.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:33.27 | *** join/#debian blublob (~freddy@A0a44.a.pppool.de) |
| 17:33.28 | *** join/#debian Toothpick (Tooth@pcp01993868pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:33.28 | caphuso | xai: no idea |
| 17:33.33 | prologic | Please tell me there's a way to undo an accidental format of an EXT2 partition! |
| 17:33.33 | xai | caphuso: err. with modula3 libs that is. ok. |
| 17:33.52 | Toothpick | I am getting scancode errors in console...I know it is because of my Microsoft Keyboard, but what is the solution? |
| 17:33.53 | streuner | prologic: the whole HD? |
| 17:33.58 | anti- | Zap-W: if you cant find it try the gaim icq protocol |
| 17:34.01 | prologic | streuner: yes! |
| 17:34.14 | streuner | prologic: uhm... |
| 17:34.18 | prologic | streuner: I've had a bad day today and have been making mistakes :( |
| 17:34.20 | blublob | which packages are needed to configure the 2.6.0-kernel with gconfig? |
| 17:34.28 | prologic | formatting /dev/hda1 was not a good idea |
| 17:34.49 | streuner | prologic: if you haven't an backup, the data is gone, sorry. |
| 17:34.57 | prologic | you are kidding ? |
| 17:35.00 | sgeigerbot | prologic: Perhaps you can save some stuff by carving out chunks of /dev/hda3 (or whate3ver) using dd... other that htat, I don't know... |
| 17:35.01 | prologic | that was my backup :( |
| 17:35.08 | zu22 | ack someone send me a new disk for debian plz -> /dev/hdb1 25G 17G 6.5G 73% / :)) |
| 17:35.14 | prologic | oh shit |
| 17:35.14 | gordonjcp | prologic: it's even more gone than with any other OS... |
| 17:35.18 | prologic | oh shit indeed |
| 17:35.21 | *** join/#debian Wiz4rd (~WiZ4Rd@pD9E2ABDC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:35.45 | prologic | every single backup of home directories gone |
| 17:35.47 | prologic | shit |
| 17:35.53 | sussudio | prologic: did you 'accidently' stick your weiner in a blender too? |
| 17:36.09 | *** join/#debian dedikerad (~dedikerad@as17-6-1.ka.g.bonet.se) |
| 17:36.11 | prologic | sussudio, don't joke please, it's been fucking hot all day :( |
| 17:36.24 | zu22 | gordonjcp: i bet the nsa/fbi could recover some data yet ;) |
| 17:36.30 | sgeigerbot | prologic: Linux Data Recovery Software. Award Winning? fully automatic Linux data recovery software for the Ext2FS and Ext3 FS used in Linux and all Unixes. It uses a unique scanning method, which automatically recognizes lost partitions, files and folders for Linux recovery. http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/518910/Stellar-Phoenix-EXT2,EXT3.html |
| 17:36.39 | gordonjcp | zu22: anyone could - a bit |
| 17:36.50 | prologic | sgeigerbot, I'll look thank you |
| 17:36.54 | gordonjcp | zu22: don't forget that much of the data will have been overwritten with new superblocks and stuff |
| 17:37.07 | *** join/#debian toni_ (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 17:37.14 | gordonjcp | zu22: if he wanted to keep the NSA off he could just have said cat /dev/urandom /dev/hda |
| 17:37.14 | zu22 | gordonjcp: ah yes |
| 17:37.26 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: Wrong. |
| 17:37.34 | zu22 | gordonjcp: or taken a strong EM field to it :) |
| 17:37.45 | *** join/#debian Invictus (invictus@216.233.208.75) |
| 17:37.50 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: eh? |
| 17:37.51 | *** join/#debian toni_ (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 17:37.51 | gordonjcp | zu22: yeah but that would have vaped the servo tracks and killed the drive entirely |
| 17:38.02 | zu22 | gordonjcp: heh |
| 17:38.02 | tam | OK this 2.6 kernel upgrade has not gone to plan. i can't boot into any open terminal or get to a command line to add a line to tell me old kernel to use /hda...is there anything that i am forgetting so i can boot into old kernel? |
| 17:38.04 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: google for "magnetic force microscopy" |
| 17:38.13 | *** part/#debian Penfold (~mike@hawk.altrion.org) |
| 17:38.23 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: can't read it if it's been written over with random shite |
| 17:38.29 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: "lead pipe endoscopy" |
| 17:38.34 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: Wrong. |
| 17:38.37 | tam | all data can be recovered |
| 17:38.38 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 17:38.40 | Zap-W | anyone here use pureftpd?? |
| 17:38.42 | gordonjcp | no, it can't |
| 17:38.49 | zu22 | tam: *all* ?! |
| 17:39.00 | gordonjcp | tam: I'm sure you know some wee guy down the Barras... |
| 17:39.00 | zu22 | tam: maybe *some* deleted data but not *all* |
| 17:39.05 | tam | well if you know what you are doing. |
| 17:39.07 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: Do your homework before continuing to spread false information. |
| 17:39.11 | gordonjcp | if it's overwritten, it can't be recovered |
| 17:39.11 | toni_ | hi guys, my lilo doesn't display the boot menu anymore and load the default kernel without prompt!! do you know what's the problem? thankx |
| 17:39.15 | tarzeau | tam: all data can be recovered? |
| 17:39.18 | *** join/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host210-9.pool80182.interbusiness.it) |
| 17:39.20 | tam | gordonjcp: am negogiating with him now. |
| 17:39.24 | tarzeau | tam: i lost my inodes (overwritten) |
| 17:39.30 | zu22 | tam: no way dude, depending how u destroy the data then not *all* can even be THEORETICALLY recovered let alone in practice |
| 17:39.32 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: shut up, the whole "FBI can read erased disks" is a nice fiction, handy for Chris Carter |
| 17:39.42 | tam | tarzeau: well look at people who take their hdd back to the pro's and can get their hdd recovered pretty easily |
| 17:39.53 | gordonjcp | but sadly, not even remotely possible |
| 17:39.58 | gordonjcp | maybe you'd get fragments here and there |
| 17:40.04 | Zap-W | anyone here use pureftpd?? i am having a problem connecting with a user |
| 17:40.04 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: magnetic force microsocopy |
| 17:40.05 | tarzeau | tam: can i recover my data cheap? |
| 17:40.07 | *** join/#debian stew (stew@181-129.customer.cloud9.net) |
| 17:40.15 | tam | tarzeau: i don't know about cheap. |
| 17:40.18 | tarzeau | Zap-W: what about the debian cd vendor page? |
| 17:40.21 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: you keep saying that, but it can't tell you what a bit was before it was overwritten |
| 17:40.25 | streuner | tarzeau: exactly, that's the point. |
| 17:40.28 | *** join/#debian boucman (~rosen@d213-102-30-130.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 17:40.36 | gordonjcp | especially not if you write over it more than once |
| 17:40.41 | Zap-W | tarzeau : soon , soon |
| 17:40.45 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: You don't know what it means, so therefore you don't understand. |
| 17:40.55 | tarzeau | Zap-W: i use proftpd |
| 17:40.56 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: RTFW |
| 17:41.07 | prologic | ok guys, question. how would I dd the drive into an image on another partition ? |
| 17:41.18 | tarzeau | prologic: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 17:41.22 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: I'm not about to get into a "do! / do not!"-type argument. I'm well aware of using MFM to read the residual magnetism |
| 17:41.27 | stew | when i try to boot a kernel I compile i get Unable to mount root fs... I know that my root is ext3 and I know that ext3 is compiled into my kernel and so is ide. What else could I be forgetting? |
| 17:41.35 | zu22 | tam: umm ya maybe if they used Windows "delete file" where it just deletes a file pointer but if say write 0 to every part of the disk u will be able recover VERY LITTLE no matter what method u use, let alone use even more sophisticated deletion methods |
| 17:41.40 | tarzeau | prologic: dd if=/dev/hda of=/another/mounted/partition/file.img |
| 17:41.43 | sgeigerbot | prologic: Did you try that software I mentioned? dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/foo/bar |
| 17:41.45 | *** join/#debian dub (~dub@202.89.59.21) |
| 17:41.47 | tarzeau | prologic: use bs=1024k |
| 17:41.48 | prologic | tarzeau: thanks |
| 17:41.54 | tam | zu22: am sure the same could be done under *nix |
| 17:41.55 | tarzeau | prologic: and turn on dma if you've got ide drives |
| 17:42.01 | tarzeau | prologic: hdparm, *hint* |
| 17:42.06 | gordonjcp | zu22: if you write zeros to the disk, you will be able to read off tiny, tiny fluctuations in the magnetism |
| 17:42.20 | gordonjcp | you need extremely specialised kit to do that - that's what sgeigerbot is talking about |
| 17:42.22 | *** join/#debian ChoJin (~ask@213.245.23.191) |
| 17:42.25 | *** part/#debian xai (~pasta@user-0vvdbe1.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 17:42.34 | tarzeau | tam: i did recover my private key, using lde |
| 17:42.44 | gordonjcp | but - if you overwrite it with random enough data, it will not be recoverable |
| 17:42.49 | gordonjcp | it will be lost in the noise |
| 17:42.57 | nwo | which editor to use, to work with 100mb textfiles? |
| 17:43.03 | tam | tarzeau: there yah go...am sure you can try and recover more |
| 17:43.08 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: I believe the conversation was about the FBI/NSA...so I take it for granted that they have the state of the art tools. |
| 17:43.19 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: no more so than MI5/MI6 |
| 17:43.22 | *** join/#debian SHS` (~shs@213-152-38-112.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) |
| 17:43.27 | tarzeau | tam: it was NOT OVERWRITTEN |
| 17:43.33 | gordonjcp | they still would *not* be able to read off a disk that had things overwritten |
| 17:43.34 | *** join/#debian sth__ (~sth@pD9E9F8E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:43.35 | tarzeau | tam: i only overwrote my inodes (20gb partition) |
| 17:43.43 | tam | tarzeau: OK fair enough |
| 17:43.50 | tarzeau | tam: you can not with software recover data that's been phyisaclly overwritten |
| 17:43.55 | zu22 | gordonjcp: write but that is a far cry from recovering "all" data and not to mention the $$ costs and time of undertaking such a recovery of a large disk. even the fbi and other types only would undertake it if the case was of great importance. i agree that X Files stuff is nonsense |
| 17:44.00 | tarzeau | tam: not just marked as deleted (like on fat/ms-dos) |
| 17:44.08 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: From where are you suddenly getting facts on this topic? |
| 17:44.15 | caphuso | tarzeau: like on any sane filesystem |
| 17:44.22 | daxal | !start a war |
| 17:44.27 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: I work with magnetic media a lot, have done for years |
| 17:44.35 | tarzeau | caphuso: yes |
| 17:44.38 | LoRez | gordonjcp: not using the drive's electronics, no. |
| 17:44.42 | caphuso | ext2, ext3, reiser, xfs, ... they all just mark the file as deleted without actually removing the content |
| 17:44.50 | gordonjcp | LoRez: no, not using the drive's own electronics |
| 17:45.05 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: you *can* actually try the experiment for yourself, you know |
| 17:45.06 | zu22 | gordonjcp: ya enuf passes with random data and it's gone for good (tm) |
| 17:45.12 | gordonjcp | zu22: yup |
| 17:45.14 | *** join/#debian lws (~lws@schancel.pacific.net) |
| 17:45.30 | *** join/#debian mateusz (~mateusz@pd125.rzeszow.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:45.34 | lws | hi, i'm having some problems getting my radeon working under the xserver-xfree86 package in testing, anybody do this before? |
| 17:45.41 | sth__ | does anyone know when a kernel-source-2.4.24 deb will be up? |
| 17:45.46 | gordonjcp | I don't care what anyone says, if you have a "1", and you overwrite it with a "0", then back to a "1", then back to "0", you've no idea what it was four writes ago |
| 17:45.54 | mateusz | How to install Thomphson 330 USB modem ? |
| 17:45.55 | *** join/#debian knoppix_ (~knoppix@chello080108176039.4.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 17:45.56 | jsumners | lws: use alien to convert the official rpm |
| 17:46.07 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: try it for yourself - get an old 5.25" floppy (actually, you'll need two) |
| 17:46.12 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: Ask the NSA, they can tell you. ;-) |
| 17:46.14 | mateusz | it is adsl |
| 17:46.19 | jsumners | lws: then use the scripts in /usr/src/fglrx<whatever> to build the module |
| 17:46.30 | lws | jsumners: may i msg you? |
| 17:46.32 | *** join/#debian keyz (~keyz@APoitiers-106-1-31-145.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:46.39 | jsumners | lws: i would prefer not |
| 17:46.54 | lws | jsumners: Is there a howto somewhere on how to do this then? |
| 17:46.59 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: assume two drives, the writing drive and the magic drive. Pull the head leads off the controller board and hook it up to a *very* sensitive oscilloscope |
| 17:47.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 671] by debhelper |
| 17:47.11 | mateusz | How to install Thomphson 330 USB modem ? |
| 17:47.13 | mateusz | it is adsl |
| 17:47.24 | gordonjcp | you can actually see the residual magnetism as pulses on the scope, tiny compared to normal ones |
| 17:47.44 | jsumners | lws: i am looking |
| 17:47.46 | gordonjcp | so yes - as sgeigerbot says - in some cases you *could* read off the disk with special kit |
| 17:47.46 | *** join/#debian dedikerad (~dedikerad@as17-6-1.ka.g.bonet.se) |
| 17:47.56 | lws | jsumners: thanks |
| 17:48.01 | gordonjcp | but if you overwrite it a few times, you will never be able to read what it once held |
| 17:48.11 | lws | jsumners: should i remove the xlibs and xserver-xfree86 and xclients-base packages? |
| 17:48.16 | jsumners | lws: http://corporate.linux.com/howtos/XFree86-R200/using_ati_driver.shtml |
| 17:48.22 | dedikerad | is there a way for me to, say, have two different library versions installed at the same time? |
| 17:48.27 | *** join/#debian synic (~synic@cpe-66-87-26-31.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 17:48.32 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: The package "wipe" suggests rewriting more than a few times. |
| 17:48.48 | *** join/#debian bfree (~chatzilla@dsl-32-113.dsl.netsource.ie) |
| 17:48.51 | dedikerad | without conflict with the dependencies of packages. like openssl0.6 and openssl0.7... |
| 17:49.02 | jsumners | lws: nah just put a hold on xlibmes3-gl ("/msg apt hold" for more info) and do a --force-all when you install the deb created with alien |
| 17:49.20 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: I doubt you'd need to overwrite it more than once or twice |
| 17:49.36 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: bleah, s/once or twice/two or three times/ |
| 17:49.41 | mateusz | why gg2 and totem have broken dependences ?? |
| 17:49.46 | jsumners | i managed to get the absolute latest ati drivers to work on this machine (amazingly) |
| 17:50.04 | *** join/#debian cryptosize (~cryptosiz@p50853C04.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:50.07 | DerBadejunge | howto burn on a 800mb cd with k3b ? is overburning my keyword ? how to do that ? :D thank you |
| 17:50.23 | jsumners | mateusz: ??? |
| 17:50.27 | cryptosize | why does the kernel 2.4.24 tree always do a complete rebuild after config changes? (can I change that?) |
| 17:50.40 | mateusz | jsumners: where did you get latest ati drivers ? |
| 17:50.41 | mwilson | cryptosize: Because it's supposed to. |
| 17:50.43 | *** join/#debian marcm (~marcm@gso88-200-031.triad.rr.com) |
| 17:50.54 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: "Recovery of supposedly erased data from magnetic media is easier than what many people would like to believe. A technique called Magnetic Force Microscopy (MFM) allows any moderately funded opponent to recover the last two or three layers of data written to disk; wipe repeadetly overwrites special patterns to the files to be destroyed, using the fsync() call and/or the O_SYNC bit to force disk access." -- man pa |
| 17:50.54 | sgeigerbot | ge of "wipe" |
| 17:51.02 | *** join/#debian jc-denton (~nils@zux173-061.adsl.green.ch) |
| 17:51.11 | lws | jsumners: okay |
| 17:51.13 | jsumners | mateusz: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html |
| 17:51.18 | cryptosize | mwilson, how to avoid this? |
| 17:51.27 | *** join/#debian Fred (Fred@science460.authent.sfu.ca) |
| 17:51.35 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: well perhaps Seagate will bring out a drive using MFM to triple the capacity of current disks? |
| 17:51.35 | mwilson | cryptosize: You don't. Perhaps you missed the words "supposed to". |
| 17:51.55 | marcm | hey there:) |
| 17:51.56 | *** join/#debian lizdeika (132354@lan02.maxi.lt) |
| 17:51.59 | *** join/#debian smoser (~smoser@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 17:52.11 | mateusz | jsumners: thanks |
| 17:52.13 | *** join/#debian cs4 (~cs4@151.198.222.117) |
| 17:52.16 | marcm | could someone please give a piece of advice to a total debian n00b? |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#debian aedwards (~aedwards@dsl092-235-087.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:52.29 | jsumners | marcm: yeah, dont ask to ask |
| 17:52.29 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: #debian prefers in many cases facts over opinions. |
| 17:52.32 | DerBadejunge | of course :D |
| 17:52.32 | cryptosize | mwilson, I do think it IS changeable, it doesn't make much sense to do a complete rebuild each time ;) |
| 17:52.32 | cs4 | i installed apache and mod_perl.. apache runs, but it displays .pl files instead of executing them -- is mod_perl working? |
| 17:52.43 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: what does that mean the last "two or three layers"? are u saying if u write over something 2 or 3x that u can still recover the data? |
| 17:52.49 | *** join/#debian synic (~synic@cpe-66-87-26-31.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 17:52.50 | smoser | does anyone have wine working with 2.6.0 and testing ? mine dies with "lstat /tmp/.wine-smoser/server-302-27548/socket : No such file or directory" |
| 17:52.52 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: It's a matter of cost... |
| 17:53.02 | aedwards | anyone here have an idea about the MTF or shelf life of a dvd? |
| 17:53.17 | gordonjcp | zu22: no, but some people apparently believe that people with big specialised machines *can* read erased data |
| 17:53.20 | sgeigerbot | zu22: yes. It's a matter of how badly someone wants to get the data. |
| 17:53.29 | marcm | I'm a slackware/suse/redhat/mandrake user:) Use linux since 96. I heard people talking that with debian I could be more productive and its easy to upgrade. Would it be hard to switch over from those distros to debian totally? |
| 17:53.34 | mateusz | jsumners: are there any tar.gz or debs ? |
| 17:53.39 | tarzeau | aha it works again |
| 17:53.40 | cs4 | i installed apache and mod_perl.. apache runs, but it displays .pl files instead of executing them -- is mod_perl working? |
| 17:53.42 | *** join/#debian thebug (~rblair@24-56-209-063.mdmmi.voyager.net) |
| 17:53.53 | jsumners | mateusz: i refer you to the previous bits of the conversation about using alien |
| 17:53.54 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: "apparently believe"? It's a fact. |
| 17:54.13 | prodope | marcm: if you're good with slack, debian will be a breeze |
| 17:54.23 | *** join/#debian IV0 (~Robotnik@ppp-152-233.terra.net.lb) |
| 17:54.25 | jsumners | mateusz: the exact reason for not using private messages |
| 17:54.29 | lws | jsumners: where are the official rpms? I don't see them on mirrors.kernel.org |
| 17:54.33 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: let me ask u this, what would u say *is* a sure method to irrevocably and absolutely destroy the data such that it can never be recovered? |
| 17:54.41 | jsumners | oh my goodness |
| 17:54.43 | zu22 | gordonjcp: :) |
| 17:54.53 | mwilson | Sledgehammer on the platters. |
| 17:54.53 | marcm | prodope could I use unstable cause it has newer software? |
| 17:54.58 | DerBadejunge | marcm: i dont think so, itll be easy. just leanr apt-get and where th rc.0 .. directories are |
| 17:54.59 | zu22 | mwilson: haha |
| 17:55.01 | jsumners | lws: [12:51] <jsumners> mateusz: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html |
| 17:55.02 | sgeigerbot | zu22: apt-get install wipe; man wipe That's good enough for your purposes. |
| 17:55.15 | prodope | sure you 'could' but do you really have a need? |
| 17:55.17 | mateusz | jsumners: thanks ;) |
| 17:55.22 | marcm | what's the easyest way to install debian unstable? |
| 17:55.25 | prodope | marcm: try backports.org |
| 17:55.27 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: i am talking theoretically (for any purpose) in my question |
| 17:55.31 | bfree | tarzeau: you have to make sure your httpd.conf is setup to use mode_perl where you want it! It's doesn't run everywhere by default! |
| 17:55.32 | lws | jsumners: those are officall Xfree86 rpms? |
| 17:55.38 | tarzeau | bfree: me? |
| 17:55.40 | mateusz | marcm: install woody and upgrade |
| 17:55.41 | tarzeau | i use thttpd |
| 17:55.48 | mateusz | marcm: but only base woody |
| 17:56.03 | bfree | tarzeau: ooooops, no not you :-) |
| 17:56.04 | marcm | mateusz ok:) |
| 17:56.07 | tarzeau | marcm: install stable, then network upgrade to sid |
| 17:56.12 | tarzeau | marcm: http://apt-get.mine.nu/ |
| 17:56.25 | bfree | cs4: you have to make sure your httpd.conf is setup to use mode_perl where you want it! It's doesn't run everywhere by default! |
| 17:56.26 | sgeigerbot | zu22: Does the person trying to get the data have physical access to the drive? If so, use wipe a lot of times...and perhaps destroy the hard drive. Otherwise, just use wipe to write a lot of times. |
| 17:56.48 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: for example lets say a nuclear silo was about to be compromised and they had 1 hour to destroy the launch codes from the hard disk, how would u suggest they do it? |
| 17:56.59 | sgeigerbot | zu22: I'm working. |
| 17:57.13 | mwilson | Destruction is not necessary. Remove hard disk, set on shelf. |
| 17:57.17 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: yes physical access |
| 17:57.17 | sgeigerbot | zu22: If that's truly your situation, ask your system administrator. |
| 17:57.26 | *** join/#debian mavx (mavx@CPE-24-31-252-14.kc.rr.com) |
| 17:57.27 | *** join/#debian linuX|tombhadAC (~tombhad@pD9E1AA2F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:57.32 | marcm | backports looks cool |
| 17:57.33 | sgeigerbot | zu22: Use a sledgehammer. |
| 17:57.34 | *** part/#debian virus (6361-ident@pD951A9E4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:57.42 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: haha that is not my situation i'm just asking hypothetically lol |
| 17:57.53 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: or battery acid |
| 17:57.53 | lws | jsumners: i think i misunderstood |
| 17:57.54 | *** join/#debian luka (~luka@plutonium.h07.org) |
| 17:57.56 | sgeigerbot | zu22: Nonhypothetically, you are wasting my time. |
| 17:57.57 | bfree | Isn't acid the preferred quick destruction method and explosion the less rushed solution? seem to remember a /. story about it! |
| 17:58.11 | lws | jsumners: By official RPMS you don't mean the XFree86 rpms, you mean Radeon drivers? |
| 17:58.31 | *** join/#debian marus (d_2_106@81.7.65.35) |
| 17:58.34 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: umm we were having a conversation (gordonjcp, you and i), i didn't force u to partake , sorry sheesh |
| 17:58.36 | *** join/#debian paulproteus (~paulprote@res38-279-14889.resnet.jhu.edu) |
| 17:58.52 | buckwad | zu22: howzabout apt-get install wipe |
| 17:59.01 | *** join/#debian tizz (tport@80-218-112-134.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:59.03 | zu22 | buckwad: sure |
| 17:59.19 | jsumners | lws: right |
| 17:59.21 | *** join/#debian reaper` (~reaper@ool-4350fa6c.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:59.22 | sandman | Does tar preserve hardlinks? As in, the archive contains only ONE copy of the data, and multiple names for it. |
| 17:59.23 | marcm | tarzeau what is that web site about? |
| 17:59.27 | marcm | http://apt-get.mine.nu/ |
| 17:59.28 | sandman | Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say here? |
| 17:59.34 | sgeigerbot | FYI: wipe/shred/srm |
| 17:59.37 | gordonjcp | sgeigerbot: yeah, if you want to stop *anyone* reading the disk, physically destroy the platters |
| 17:59.40 | tarzeau | marcm: it shows how i upgrade to sid |
| 17:59.47 | marcm | sandman hey:) I wanna switch to debian:) |
| 17:59.51 | tarzeau | marcm: and what software i use |
| 18:00.05 | marcm | tarzeau its your site? |
| 18:00.11 | tarzeau | marcm: one of mine, yes |
| 18:00.12 | sgeigerbot | sandman: man tar |
| 18:00.14 | *** part/#debian DrAsabone (~DrAsabone@host210-9.pool80182.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:00.20 | lws | jsumners: i thought you mean new Xfree86 rpms, sorry |
| 18:00.32 | *** join/#debian slicks (~slicks@193.190.253.60) |
| 18:00.52 | slicks | yay new root exploit |
| 18:00.57 | *** join/#debian ShiShi (ShiShi@pereire-5-82-224-46-41.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:00.59 | ShiShi | hello all |
| 18:01.06 | zu22 | hi shishi |
| 18:01.06 | mateusz | slicks: where ? |
| 18:01.09 | *** join/#debian fluxi (bruno@11-155.240.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 18:01.21 | luite | slicks: have you found the exploit code? |
| 18:01.21 | zu22 | k |
| 18:01.25 | *** join/#debian toni (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 18:01.27 | lws | jsumners: this check.sh they're distributing seems to be borked, it's telling me "Bad interpreter" but it's clearly bash, and that's what i have installed, at /bin/bash even. |
| 18:01.29 | ShiShi | someone can help me , i can't load module for my 3c920B ethernet controller |
| 18:01.35 | slicks | er sorry |
| 18:01.52 | ShiShi | i use 2,4,18 kernel , modprobe failed with irq invalid |
| 18:01.53 | slicks | possible ... |
| 18:02.03 | mwilson | luite: You're just a poor little kiddie, huh, can't find no 'sploit code nowheres. |
| 18:02.12 | marcm | tarzeau so after I install the base system of sid how do I install the rest? |
| 18:02.18 | *** join/#debian Huma (~huma@pD9054F85.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:02.23 | mwilson | lws: And is the script marked executable? |
| 18:02.47 | tarzeau | marcm: did you look at apt-get.mine.nu ? |
| 18:03.01 | luite | mwilson: .... it was just a question... I didn't ask him to send it to me... I was just wondering if there was some code 'in the wild'... |
| 18:03.10 | *** join/#debian ts_ (~thomas@0x50c480c2.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) |
| 18:03.12 | *** part/#debian bastir (~basti@pD9E75903.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:03.22 | marcm | tarzeau yep. bu that 3-4 line command.... do I have to use it? |
| 18:03.27 | ts_ | hey all.. i have installed alsa with support for emu10k1... but when i try to modprobe snd-emu10k1 it says depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented <-- anyone knows i need ? |
| 18:03.40 | mwilson | luite: Don't you people run in packs? |
| 18:03.56 | luite | ? |
| 18:04.03 | tarzeau | marcm: which one exactly? |
| 18:04.19 | Midian | I hope debian updates in time now |
| 18:04.20 | marcm | root@meadow:~# apt-get -y install thttpd thttpd-util less manpages manpages-dev ssh gnupg wg......... |
| 18:04.23 | jsumners | ts_: install module-init-tools |
| 18:04.26 | *** join/#debian Octane^^ (~Octane^_^@AMarseille-104-1-4-146.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:04.27 | mwilson | luite: Or is skript-kiddie a solo occupation these days? |
| 18:04.40 | ts_ | ok thanks ill try |
| 18:04.42 | *** join/#debian Paikan (~Paikan@m156.net81-66-164.noos.fr) |
| 18:04.46 | sgeigerbot | luite: There are two types of losers. You are both. |
| 18:04.51 | *** join/#debian bloom (~bloom@dcn239-48.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 18:04.52 | *** join/#debian bene_ (~bene@c131032.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 18:04.58 | luite | aargh |
| 18:05.00 | *** join/#debian mipooh__ (~mipooh@202.129.1.4) |
| 18:05.40 | lws | mwilson: yes |
| 18:05.43 | *** join/#debian bloom (~bloom@dcn239-48.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 18:05.47 | lws | mwilson: the script is marked executable |
| 18:05.55 | luite | ah well, I wanted to type some insults here, but I'm better than that.... I'm leaving |
| 18:05.59 | *** join/#debian mdo (~13h7@p50858D02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:06.03 | ts_ | hmm where do i find module-init-tools ? |
| 18:06.04 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 18:06.09 | marcm | what's the xfree version in xfree86? |
| 18:06.15 | marcm | what's the xfree version in unstable |
| 18:06.16 | marcm | blah |
| 18:06.19 | *** part/#debian abcnew (~abc@203.210.131.108) |
| 18:06.26 | jsumners | ts_: in your local debian repository? |
| 18:06.26 | *** join/#debian rindolf (~shlomi@bzq-218-84-229.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:06.33 | mwilson | Aw, poor little kiddie. |
| 18:06.35 | *** join/#debian stever (~stever@209.98.206.228) |
| 18:06.42 | stever | howdy all |
| 18:06.42 | rindolf | I have a fast mouse cursor when upgrading from kernel 2.4.x to 2.6.0 on Mandrake 9.2. How do I resolve it? |
| 18:06.46 | ts_ | oh |
| 18:06.55 | sgeigerbot | rindolf: are you using KDE? |
| 18:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 682] by debhelper |
| 18:07.00 | ts_ | i was looking in the kernel... |
| 18:07.01 | rindolf | sgeigerbot: yes, |
| 18:07.18 | marcm | rindolf mandrake 9.2 has tons of problemms |
| 18:07.20 | sgeigerbot | rindolf: K | Preferences | Peripherals | Mouse -> "Mouse - KDE Control Module" -- right/left, single-click to open files...pointer accelleration, etc |
| 18:07.24 | ts_ | but my snd worked before i installed kernel: 2.6.0 |
| 18:07.40 | *** join/#debian ^Leo (~leo@168-226-68-173.speedy.com.ar) |
| 18:07.45 | jsumners | ts_: good |
| 18:07.46 | mwilson | ts_: And you installed 2.6.0 because...? |
| 18:08.01 | jsumners | ts_: install the proper tools and it will work with 2.6.0 |
| 18:08.23 | rindolf | sgeigerbot: I'm at 2x which is too fast and 1x is too slow. |
| 18:08.23 | Toothpick | I am getting scancode errors in console...I know it is because of my Microsoft Keyboard, but what is the solution? |
| 18:08.27 | ts_ | ok |
| 18:08.28 | *** join/#debian Sputnikc (guust@D5E0CCC6.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 18:08.45 | *** join/#debian Chewbakka (~kai@modo.uni-paderborn.de) |
| 18:08.54 | marcm | where can I find a tutorial about how to create deb packages? |
| 18:09.14 | Chewbakka | hello |
| 18:09.18 | *** join/#debian fr30n (~alloy@CPE-65-25-192-221.mn.rr.com) |
| 18:09.29 | Serbitar | marcm: debian-policy - Debian Policy Manual and related document |
| 18:09.33 | ts_ | mwilson, why not ? |
| 18:10.00 | Chewbakka | i am runing a kernel-raid1 .. but my /proc/mdstat shows |
| 18:10.12 | lws | mwilson: did you have any idea what was wrong with that shell script? |
| 18:10.15 | Chewbakka | [_U] |
| 18:10.23 | Chewbakka | nor [UU] |
| 18:10.26 | Chewbakka | *not |
| 18:10.35 | sgeigerbot | rindolf: man xset (Tell me the command that you find works for you.) |
| 18:10.37 | Chewbakka | can i reactivate it somehow ? |
| 18:10.49 | *** join/#debian ShaolinTiger (~SFDC@shaolintiger.plus.com) |
| 18:10.54 | fr30n | hey, anyone here running sarge? |
| 18:11.17 | *** join/#debian galder (~galder@65.194.252.65) |
| 18:11.37 | mwilson | fr30n: You're taking a survey? |
| 18:11.45 | fr30n | no |
| 18:11.53 | fr30n | i'm thinking of running it |
| 18:12.03 | Chewbakka | does it mean that a disk is broken if the mdstat suddenly shows [_U] ? |
| 18:12.13 | fr30n | wondering what experiences pppl have with running it |
| 18:12.25 | *** join/#debian bancus (~treed@68-234-38-146.anhmca.adelphia.net) |
| 18:12.29 | mateusz | jsumners: no i have conflict with xlibmesa3-gl |
| 18:12.41 | jsumners | mateusz: then you dont have it installed |
| 18:12.46 | *** join/#debian quaqo (~quaqo@62-101-126-232.fastres.net) |
| 18:12.56 | jsumners | but if you install xscreensaver-gl or something similar it will require the package |
| 18:13.06 | mateusz | jsumners: ? |
| 18:13.19 | mateusz | jsumners: I want official ati driveras as they work better than dri |
| 18:13.29 | jsumners | i know |
| 18:13.34 | mateusz | jsumners: and I still want to use xlibmesa-dev |
| 18:13.37 | *** join/#debian Blissex (~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:13.46 | quaqo | re |
| 18:13.56 | GunZ | whats the md directory for under /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers |
| 18:14.09 | smoser | anyone know where i can get experimental/newer wine debian packages? |
| 18:14.14 | mateusz | jsumners: any idea ? |
| 18:14.18 | [Bas] | rindolf: you can check this message from linus about 2.6 mouse behaviour: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1587 |
| 18:14.31 | uws | smoser: Maybe the maintainers people.debian.org/~username dir |
| 18:14.32 | mwilson | GunZ: Probably for the md driver. Amazing thing, isn't it? |
| 18:14.35 | toni | hi, how can i set the vga framebuffer definition in grub? thanks |
| 18:14.42 | jsumners | mateusz: just try it |
| 18:14.45 | GunZ | mwilson: yes but what are md drivers? |
| 18:14.58 | bfree | GunZ: software raid (multiple device) if I recall correctly |
| 18:15.03 | rindolf | sgeigerbot: xset m 12/10 seems to be fine. |
| 18:15.11 | mateusz | jsumners: trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2' |
| 18:15.21 | Serbitar | im prety sure that raid wasnt compiled in the installation kernel |
| 18:15.21 | mateusz | jsumners: broken pipe and dpkg terminates |
| 18:15.22 | jsumners | yep |
| 18:15.27 | mwilson | GunZ: Don't you have anything better to do than skulk around the kernel looking for things to delete? |
| 18:16.07 | mateusz | jsumners: how to install it ? |
| 18:16.07 | GunZ | ok i have question, if i have my raid hard disks setup porperly, can i install debian normally? |
| 18:16.08 | lws | mwilson: yo |
| 18:16.09 | *** join/#debian TakinOvah (takinovah@login.kebab.ws) |
| 18:16.09 | lws | jsumners: this Check.sh script seems to be borked? |
| 18:16.09 | jsumners | mateusz: force-overwrite |
| 18:16.12 | GunZ | for instance i wont have to boot any extra modules from floppy |
| 18:16.13 | jsumners | lws: never usesd it |
| 18:16.17 | DerBadejunge | mwilson: why 2.4 not 2.6 ? |
| 18:16.22 | lws | jsumners: : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 18:16.28 | lws | jsumners: i keep getting that whenever i try to run it. |
| 18:16.32 | mwilson | DerBadejunge: Why 2.6? |
| 18:16.38 | jsumners | lws: so? why use it? |
| 18:16.45 | mateusz | jsumners: and if i want to get back just reinstal xlibmesa3-gl ? right ? |
| 18:16.46 | lws | jsumners: So i know check rpm to get? |
| 18:16.49 | DerBadejunge | mwilson: new ram management and new modules |
| 18:16.57 | DerBadejunge | mwilson: why old ? :-P |
| 18:17.01 | mwilson | DerBadejunge: And do I need those things? |
| 18:17.02 | jsumners | lws: or know what you have installed |
| 18:17.15 | jsumners | mateusz: i have no clue what you are talking about |
| 18:17.20 | DerBadejunge | mwilson: i just asked :-) |
| 18:17.30 | Serbitar | crap. looks like ive got another evening of kernel compiling ahead of me for mindsail |
| 18:17.43 | lws | jsumners: this is weird, i wonder what's with that error though, my other shell scripts work fine. |
| 18:17.46 | mwilson | DerBadejunge: In other words, your argument boils down to "but the version number is bigger!" |
| 18:17.56 | jsumners | lws: dont use it |
| 18:18.12 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 18:18.15 | jsumners | lws: just download the appropriate rpm for you version of XFree86 |
| 18:18.17 | *** join/#debian eratsu (~eratsu@modemcable029.241-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 18:18.22 | eratsu | how can i xmodmap my Alt Car key to multi? |
| 18:18.31 | sgeigerbot | rindolf: Cool. |
| 18:18.34 | lws | jsumners: okay |
| 18:18.48 | lws | jsumners: the one in debian unstable is 4.2.1 so i got the package for 4.2.0? |
| 18:18.49 | *** join/#debian JoePenguin (JoePenguin@cpe-66-75-92-111.socal.rr.com) |
| 18:19.01 | *** join/#debian BadOxygen (~BadOxygen@pD9E418FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:19.12 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: apt-get install xkeycaps -- manipulate xmodmap graphically!! |
| 18:19.14 | jsumners | lws: that would only make sense |
| 18:19.27 | marcm | has any of you tried the Progeny Anaconda installer? |
| 18:19.28 | stever | anybody wanna give a hand with an nfs question? |
| 18:19.43 | sgeigerbot | stever: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 18:19.50 | *** join/#debian monteiro (~Monte@217.129.18.2) |
| 18:20.23 | monteiro | anyone knows how i put my directory of /windows with my NTFS partition, to be readed by a user ? |
| 18:20.48 | tasio | stever: what happen with nfs ? |
| 18:21.02 | GunZ | if i have my raid hard disks setup porperly, can i install debian wiht having to load any modules from a floppy? |
| 18:21.12 | tasio | monteiro: read about de umask= parameter, man mount |
| 18:21.13 | Invictus | monteiro: mount it with uid or gid option |
| 18:21.28 | gourdin | hi there |
| 18:21.29 | monteiro | thanx |
| 18:21.32 | monteiro | i'll try it |
| 18:21.49 | gourdin | anyone knows where I can remove the -nolisten tcp to the X server ? |
| 18:21.56 | sgeigerbot | Invictus: What? |
| 18:22.06 | tasio | gourdin: are you using gdm, kdm, xdm... ? |
| 18:22.08 | gourdin | I grep nolisten in rc2.d and init.d but I didn't find it |
| 18:22.10 | gourdin | tasio: kdm |
| 18:22.14 | mwilson | gourdin: Probably in the location it's being specified. Why do you think you need to remove it? |
| 18:22.28 | gourdin | mwilson: I wish to use x2x |
| 18:22.29 | sgeigerbot | gourdin: try looking in all of /etc |
| 18:22.31 | Invictus | sgeigerbot: like mount -t ntfs -o uid=1000 /dev/hdx /mnt/win |
| 18:22.34 | gourdin | =) |
| 18:22.46 | tasio | gourdin: ok, look at the config file for the command line that launches the X server and remove it |
| 18:22.55 | *** join/#debian krazZAD (~knoppix@p508817E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:22.55 | stever | universal here we go then. i want to access nfs mounts from clients on my networks as (gid uid 0) so that i can see all files/dirs on remote machines. i have used all_squash and anongid 0 and anonuid 0 in exports, when i access remotely as root i can home drives but when i access as user nobody i cannot see user dirs on nfs servers. i only want nfs to connect as root even though i can connecting from non-uid account. any help? |
| 18:23.01 | sgeigerbot | Invictus: oh, sorry, I thought you were talkign to GunZ |
| 18:23.02 | tasio | remove the params, of course, not all of the line :) |
| 18:23.18 | gourdin | tasio: I'm searching this config file ;) |
| 18:23.23 | *** join/#debian sgestione (~gestiones@80.28.168.252) |
| 18:23.23 | *** join/#debian msikkes_ (~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl) |
| 18:23.39 | gourdin | only xprint does have a nolisten tcp |
| 18:23.46 | gourdin | not kdm or xfree |
| 18:23.47 | mwilson | gourdin: Wrong. |
| 18:23.49 | stever | i only want the remote user to connect as anonymous and have access as root on nfs servers sorry |
| 18:23.53 | tasio | gordonjcp: i don't know where is it, i use gdm, try doing a find in /etc |
| 18:23.54 | gourdin | mwilson: ? ;) |
| 18:23.56 | *** join/#debian afra (~afra@h-69-3-103-114.CHCGILGM.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 18:24.10 | gordonjcp | tasio: ? |
| 18:24.23 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-155.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 18:24.23 | gourdin | ok |
| 18:24.24 | tasio | oh, sorry |
| 18:24.27 | stever | anongid and anonuid dont seem to be working with squash_all and root_squash |
| 18:24.30 | gourdin | etc/kde3/ ... |
| 18:24.35 | gourdin | thanks guys ;) |
| 18:24.37 | tasio | that line goes to gourdin |
| 18:25.42 | *** join/#debian Rotty (~andy@chello213047125140.14.univie.teleweb.at) |
| 18:26.20 | sgeigerbot | gordonjcp: egrep nolisten -i -r /etc/ |
| 18:26.26 | Rotty | does openoffice support big integers? FWICT, it doesn't... |
| 18:28.01 | *** join/#debian smeagol (~smeagol@adsl-217-87-19.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:29.16 | *** join/#debian marcel (~marcel@og-9c66.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 18:29.18 | eratsu | can anyoe tell me how i can use umlauts in X? |
| 18:29.29 | eratsu | if i need to use them quite often |
| 18:29.55 | *** join/#debian krazZAD (~kjk@p508817E7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:30.00 | rindolf | eratsu: map them to one of the key combinations. (just don't ask me how to do that) |
| 18:30.07 | *** part/#debian rindolf (~shlomi@bzq-218-84-229.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 18:30.24 | *** join/#debian omar (~omar@adsl-68-77-19-217.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 18:30.27 | eratsu | =\ does anyone know how? |
| 18:30.37 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: just a minute |
| 18:30.57 | *** join/#debian tourt (~artmar@193.136.225.10) |
| 18:31.00 | tourt | hi? |
| 18:31.11 | *** join/#debian schlumpf (~vx_schlum@dsl-082-082-067-068.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:31.29 | tourt | this php4 unstable package good enough to use in a production enviroment? |
| 18:32.18 | tasio | tourt: it depends on how much paranoid are you |
| 18:32.28 | *** join/#debian bkw (~bkw@195.242.58.173) |
| 18:33.00 | *** join/#debian fluxi (bruno@11-155.240.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 18:33.05 | *** join/#debian hllrt (user@ua41d80.elisa.omakaista.fi) |
| 18:33.10 | *** join/#debian Speak-On (~Speak@D5E066EE.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 18:33.18 | tourt | tasio, paranoid? |
| 18:33.20 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: Are you comfortable with using a different keyboard layout? Like for instance, the German layout? |
| 18:33.46 | *** join/#debian js995 (maidenw@82-34-89-143.cable.ubr05.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:33.58 | tasio | tourt: are you talking about sid's php4 package? 4.3.3 ? |
| 18:34.26 | madness | tourt: anything that is labelled "unstable", is by definition, not something you want to use in a production environment |
| 18:34.38 | tourt | ok |
| 18:34.40 | *** join/#debian greycat (~wooledg@192.35.79.70) |
| 18:34.40 | zu22 | s/are/and |
| 18:34.42 | *** join/#debian funnyguy (mike@12-222-195-92.client.insightBB.com) |
| 18:34.45 | madness | tourt: are you using woody ? |
| 18:34.50 | zu22 | ~hello greycat |
| 18:34.52 | *** join/#debian tuxillo (~tuxillo@cliente-217217029098.uBRgrb01.supercable.es) |
| 18:34.52 | tourt | yes |
| 18:34.52 | tuxillo | Hi all |
| 18:34.58 | tourt | madness, yes |
| 18:35.01 | madness | tourt: if so, look for php backports, or compile it yourself |
| 18:35.09 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: You could simply use kcharselect |
| 18:35.22 | greycat | ~+greycat |
| 18:35.26 | | it has been said that greycat is at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or half of the famous Western crime duo, Butch and Sundance. he has nice furry legs |
| 18:35.26 | tourt | madness, compiling it's not easy |
| 18:35.51 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: There's also a keyboard layout switcher that the default knoppix install has. It's for switching between German and English keyboard layouts. |
| 18:36.00 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: Not sure of the name. |
| 18:36.06 | madness | tourt: compiling php isn't difficult |
| 18:36.23 | greycat | apt, greycat =~ s/, or half of the famous Western crime duo, Butch and Sundance// |
| 18:36.23 | | greycat: OK |
| 18:36.40 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
| 18:37.07 | greycat | hi |
| 18:37.22 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: If you want to do the console-only thing (without X), you probably need to do dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 18:37.22 | tourt | madness, for course, but adding all the flags that it's needed... it's not that easy |
| 18:37.37 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: let me know if what I have told you helped... |
| 18:37.46 | *** join/#debian pat5star (~pat5star@DA-207164198.252.trytel.com) |
| 18:37.49 | *** join/#debian aldug (~aldug@alb-24-194-184-214.nycap.rr.com) |
| 18:37.56 | tourt | madness, I've speend 4 hours to compile php... to many errors :( |
| 18:38.02 | *** join/#debian Sinistrad (~strad@ip68-2-255-87.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:38.18 | zu22 | greycat: i lost yer site |
| 18:38.19 | tourt | madness: any backports that you recommend? |
| 18:38.28 | madness | tourt: I don't use backports, I compile it |
| 18:38.30 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: is there a better way? =\ |
| 18:38.34 | greycat | zu22: /lastlog apt |
| 18:38.45 | zu22 | greycat: thx |
| 18:38.52 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: i remember using xmodmap last time |
| 18:38.53 | tourt | madness, lucky ! |
| 18:39.03 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: I gave you several suggestions. A better way than which one of them? and better in which way? |
| 18:39.04 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: to create some kind of compose key |
| 18:39.12 | *** join/#debian fedor (~fedor@c-24-6-110-162.client.comcast.net) |
| 18:39.19 | zu22 | greycat: yowsers my irc log is >> 2MB for this session heh |
| 18:39.30 | greycat | zu22: "/lastlog greycat" would be a bit shorter, for now |
| 18:39.32 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@.a.011.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 18:39.37 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: apt-get install xkeycaps |
| 18:39.51 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: yea, i have that |
| 18:39.58 | zu22 | greycat: got it :) |
| 18:40.09 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: So, what's the problem? |
| 18:40.11 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@64.126.164.241) |
| 18:40.11 | hllrt | I just installed another DVD/CD-RW device on my computer, so I have two of them now. How would you recommend I setup it in Debian, so that everything goes by the "Debian way? |
| 18:40.24 | *** join/#debian marton (~none@0-1pool84-33.nas47.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 18:40.32 | *** join/#debian toni (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 18:40.37 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: what KeySym do i give it? |
| 18:40.45 | toni | hi, how can i enable the bootsplash support in grub for woody? thanks |
| 18:40.59 | *** join/#debian navaho (softy@193.77.28.109) |
| 18:41.05 | *** part/#debian navaho (softy@193.77.28.109) |
| 18:41.18 | *** join/#debian Korn (Korn@c-66-176-249-45.se.client2.attbi.com) |
| 18:41.22 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: use xkeycaps and then look at the config file? What's wrong with that? |
| 18:41.38 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: Are you suffereing from it-itis? If your questions would not contain the indefinite pronoun "it" all the time, perhaps more people would know what you are talking about without scrolling back a few blocks...and therefore try to answer your question. |
| 18:41.39 | *** part/#debian Korn (Korn@c-66-176-249-45.se.client2.attbi.com) |
| 18:41.44 | hllrt | Should I just change the /etc/fstab? |
| 18:41.58 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: ...heck, I am not even sure what you were talking about. |
| 18:42.09 | marton | where is it that you can change the font size used w/in a window? for example: File, Edit, View, etc menus |
| 18:42.28 | nomeata | If I check out a directory from cvs, delete the CVS directory, then nothing CVS-specific is left, is it? |
| 18:42.33 | *** join/#debian vladar (root@dial031.tt.nextra.sk) |
| 18:42.33 | modconf | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 18:42.37 | marton | i'm using windowmaker, but the setting i'm looking for is independent of the window manager, correct? |
| 18:42.55 | *** join/#debian RelDrgn (derf@adsl-66-142-132-194.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 18:43.06 | greycat | bots in stereo! |
| 18:43.09 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: never mind, i think i figured it out, thanks |
| 18:43.24 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: tell me how you figured it out! |
| 18:43.44 | *** join/#debian krazZAD (~kjk@pD9557CF2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:43.46 | *** join/#debian Xybernaut (~GreyCat@dsl81-215-41667.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) |
| 18:43.48 | sgeigerbot | greycat: All your Base are belong to Bot! |
| 18:44.03 | zu22 | greycat: heh |
| 18:44.08 | leonel | k |
| 18:45.17 | *** join/#debian BLarg (~ic382@toaster.apk.net) |
| 18:45.20 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 18:45.29 | *** part/#debian tomf (~tom@p213.54.80.180.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 18:46.54 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: i just installed locales |
| 18:47.13 | sgeigerbot | eratsu: how did that fix anything? |
| 18:47.24 | *** join/#debian topgun98 (~topgun98@adslct35.cofs.net) |
| 18:47.46 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: well... i set fr_CA as my default locale |
| 18:47.56 | eratsu | sgeigerbot: not sure how to work it yet though |
| 18:47.58 | topgun98 | do all dynamic libraries reside in /var/lib or is there an additional place? |
| 18:48.05 | uws | topgun98: /usr/lib? |
| 18:48.07 | *** join/#debian Korn (Korn@c-66-176-249-45.se.client2.attbi.com) |
| 18:48.11 | topgun98 | sorry, yes |
| 18:48.12 | *** join/#debian eye69 (~magnus@upcore.net) |
| 18:48.28 | *** join/#debian Eno_ (~eno@98.146.33.65.cfl.rr.com) |
| 18:48.33 | uws | topgun98: Most of them will live in /usr/lib |
| 18:48.38 | topgun98 | hmm... that explains why the dir was only 34mb =] |
| 18:48.38 | uws | topgun98: some in /lib |
| 18:48.39 | marton | can anyone tell me how to change the fonts used in window menus et.al.? |
| 18:48.53 | topgun98 | ok, thanks |
| 18:49.11 | boss | hi! i have a problem with my notebook (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M 7400 centrino) and the Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100. the problem is that i cannot use the wlan card, because it is not activated (the launch keys don't work). does anybody know how to get the launch keys work? |
| 18:49.18 | uws | marton: Which desktop environment? |
| 18:49.27 | topgun98 | if I load the OOo libs and Evolution libs into a RAM partition, they should load much faster, right? (I already tried prelinking, which helped but not enough) |
| 18:49.37 | gratuit | topgun98: and you could 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH' to see if there are any other directories that are beign checked |
| 18:49.50 | topgun98 | ok, great, thanks =] |
| 18:49.51 | greycat | or he could read "man ld.so" and "man ldconfig" |
| 18:50.03 | topgun98 | even better yet |
| 18:50.10 | topgun98 | I didn't know that page existed. thanks. |
| 18:50.26 | marton | uws: currently windowmaker. I've had to do this b4, and I vaguely recall the setting being 'outside' of the windowmanager |
| 18:51.08 | uws | marton: Sorry can't help you, I'm a gnome guy |
| 18:51.26 | *** join/#debian smoser (~smoser@pixpat.austin.ibm.com) |
| 18:51.55 | marton | uws: speaking of gnome, that may have been what i needed to use to change that. thru their control center or some such |
| 18:53.07 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (~LordLamer@pD904BBFA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:53.31 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@pD9EAA4FA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:53.41 | marton | uws: does that sound right to you? |
| 18:54.03 | unixfool` | whats the main gnome virtual package in testing? |
| 18:54.18 | Nurbs | gnome? |
| 18:54.19 | nvz | unixfool`: metapackage |
| 18:54.27 | nvz | !info gnome testing |
| 18:54.36 | unixfool` | nvz: actually, the policy defines them as virtual packages |
| 18:54.53 | *** join/#debian tvn (~tvn@pcp01464214pcs.lpaxtn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 18:55.00 | Nurbs | !info gnome unstable |
| 18:55.04 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 43 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 18:55.07 | Nurbs | damn |
| 18:55.14 | Nurbs | !info gnome-core testing |
| 18:55.16 | dpkg | gnome-core: (Common files for GNOME core apps), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.4.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1471 kB, Installed size: 4396 kB |
| 18:55.24 | Nurbs | well... gnome-core I did always prefer |
| 18:55.30 | *** join/#debian offby1` (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 18:55.34 | Nurbs | not that many huge packages :) |
| 18:55.42 | *** part/#debian offby1` (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 18:56.15 | Nurbs | abiword, gnucash and such aren't included |
| 18:56.21 | *** join/#debian oskie (usel@as2-1-6.lh.m.bonet.se) |
| 18:57.13 | nvz | !test |
| 18:57.29 | unixfool` | hmm, if I install gnome-core, should I just put "gnome-session" in my .xinitrc or something? |
| 18:57.37 | *** join/#debian By-Tor (~arthur@24.236.227.45.bay.mi.chartermi.net) |
| 18:57.49 | streuner | unixfool`: exec gnome-session |
| 18:57.52 | Nurbs | if you use startx, yes |
| 18:57.52 | nvz | unixfool`: either that or install a display manager |
| 18:57.56 | *** join/#debian elirips (~elirips@80-218-95-137.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:58.08 | *** join/#debian dort (ni@cderr3.simons-rock.edu) |
| 18:58.14 | *** join/#debian jakobbg (~jakobbg@62.97.240.79) |
| 18:58.18 | unixfool` | thanks |
| 18:58.20 | tarzeau | has anyone played with http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/transluxent/ ? |
| 18:58.54 | *** join/#debian Oryn (oryn@atraue.fsck.tv) |
| 18:59.27 | zu22 | tarzeau: no but thanks for letting me know, looks cool |
| 18:59.45 | unixfool` | when I do 'gnome-session' it complains about not starting the GNOME settings daemon |
| 19:00.31 | *** part/#debian luca__ (~Luca@host85-20.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:00.39 | unixfool` | is that a gconf2 thing? |
| 19:00.58 | Justin_ | tarzeau: http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/ |
| 19:01.24 | *** join/#debian rebrenne (~rebrenne@80-218-61-139.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:01.48 | elirips | hello people. i've somehow messed up my system: i got different versions of png.h (v. 1.2.5) and libpng (v. 1.2.1). can someone please tell me how i can downgrade png.h to 1.2.1? |
| 19:01.57 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: I have a natural disinclination to use tools that promote themselves primarily as looking pretty. |
| 19:02.22 | Justin_ | elirips: upgrade libpng? |
| 19:02.50 | greycat | elirips: libpng12-dev or something similar |
| 19:03.00 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: it's not for looking pretty but to see twice as much on the same amount screen, isn't it? |
| 19:03.05 | *** join/#debian tra1a1a (~tra1a1a@1-u-131-cg.del.bg) |
| 19:03.16 | tarzeau | my screen can never be large enough |
| 19:03.18 | *** join/#debian i10neorg (~one@dyn-host-206.113.40.204.stowetel.com) |
| 19:03.21 | tra1a1a | Hi guys! |
| 19:03.36 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Is that what OpenGL does for you? |
| 19:03.57 | quant | is there a way using bash scripting i can test to see if a specific user exists on the system? |
| 19:04.02 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: I know little about things in this area. |
| 19:04.02 | *** join/#debian dumitru (~dumitru@213.157.172.231) |
| 19:04.11 | tra1a1a | I'm trying to install licq with apt-get, but it wants to install kernel headers. I already have a kernel installed (from the sources), so I don't want kernel-headers. How can I skip it? |
| 19:04.12 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: i'm not sure about OpenGL either ;) |
| 19:04.32 | mwilson | tra1a1a: No, it doesn't. |
| 19:04.51 | fairway | anyone got X running with an ASUS 9600XT or 9800XT? |
| 19:05.20 | *** join/#debian hogmeat (~mp3@c-24-4-214-18.client.comcast.net) |
| 19:05.29 | tra1a1a | mwilson, right |
| 19:05.39 | elirips | Justin_: apt-file tells me that there's only libpng2-dev. if i install that i got version 1.0.12 of libpng, png.h is still 1.2.5 |
| 19:05.42 | Justin_ | tra1a1a: just press enter and let it do what it wants. |
| 19:05.44 | mwilson | No, I mean it doesn't want to install kernel-headers. |
| 19:06.00 | tra1a1a | it might me another package that depends on the headers, but licq depends on it |
| 19:06.05 | tra1a1a | or whatever |
| 19:06.06 | nvz | how can I hilight all messages by someone? must it type their entire hostname? I cant seem to get it to work, the most I can figure out is how to highlight when someone says that persons name |
| 19:06.12 | *** join/#debian bitva (~bitva@207.13.168.22) |
| 19:06.19 | tra1a1a | the fact is that apt-get is trying to download kernel-headers |
| 19:06.27 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Except that it doesn't, of course. |
| 19:06.39 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Which package is ACTUALLY trying to install? |
| 19:06.46 | *** join/#debian rw (~user@200.254.197.135) |
| 19:07.03 | tra1a1a | mwilson, do you want a msg paste of the apt-get output? |
| 19:07.13 | mwilson | No, I want you to answer my question. |
| 19:07.42 | *** join/#debian billy (billy@82-32-11-44.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:07.46 | leonel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.17 | azreal | leonel: /fuckoff, ole! |
| 19:08.35 | tra1a1a | mwilson, I will if you ask it clearly. |
| 19:08.51 | hackeron | hey, if I have multiple network interfaces, how do I determine which interface has internet access? (something like asking requesting data from website but specifying which interface to request data from) |
| 19:09.05 | mwilson | tra1a1a: I asked you which package was actually trying to install. There is no package named "kernel-headers". |
| 19:09.06 | wiak | how do i get mkpasswd? |
| 19:09.07 | wiak | :) |
| 19:09.32 | tra1a1a | mwilson, linux-kernel-headers |
| 19:09.42 | tarzeau | wiak: whois |
| 19:09.49 | zu22 | anyone know of a nice news cient for X? |
| 19:09.55 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Which is depended on by libc6-dev, as it's supposed to be. So, you have a non-problem. |
| 19:09.55 | tarzeau | zu22: lusernet |
| 19:09.58 | azreal | zu22: pan |
| 19:09.58 | wiak | whois ? |
| 19:10.02 | *** join/#debian vipe (~vipe@D577C79E.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 19:10.08 | tarzeau | zu22: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/lusernet/ it's GNUstep, slrn is nice too |
| 19:10.11 | *** join/#debian Loevborg (foobar@dyn-212-83-171-6.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 19:10.17 | zu22 | tarzeau / azreal: thanks! |
| 19:10.17 | tarzeau | wiak: apt-get install whois; mkpasswd abc |
| 19:10.19 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Which you could have found out, if you'd bothered to read the package description. |
| 19:10.25 | zu22 | tarzeau: i like gnustep stuff cool |
| 19:10.26 | azreal | zu22: mozilla has one too, but pan is better |
| 19:10.27 | *** join/#debian ^Leo (~leo@168-226-70-185.speedy.com.ar) |
| 19:10.39 | zu22 | azreal: ok |
| 19:10.48 | rw | I programmed the upgrade of my workstation and the data format of postgres changed. Now the database wont start. I need to start the old version database, dumpall, re-install the new version and import. Any way to make it faster? |
| 19:10.53 | tarzeau | zu22: cool it might enter debian soon, together with waiho (ftp client), charmp, gsmbrowser (samba browser) and fretar (a graphical tar) |
| 19:11.25 | tarzeau | zu22: if i ever fix netclasses, talksoup will be in too (the irc client), and stefan is working on the port of webcore to gnustep (that'll be the gnustep webbrowser) |
| 19:11.33 | zu22 | tarzeau: hey that is perfect timing caz i am dist-upgrading to unstable as we speak (albeit on 56k dialup it will take a while!) |
| 19:11.48 | zu22 | tarzeau: sweet~~~ |
| 19:11.49 | tra1a1a | mwilson, I didn't bother to read the package deps, because I don't really care which package wants kernel headers |
| 19:12.23 | tra1a1a | I have a kernel compiled from the sources so I just want to skip this package. |
| 19:12.26 | tarzeau | zu22: #gnustep you know? |
| 19:12.47 | zu22 | tarzeau: i didn't actually, thx |
| 19:12.48 | azreal | tra1a1a: why dont you just install it, then purge later, in the process you will probably figure out the dependencie problem |
| 19:12.54 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Then remove libc6-dev. |
| 19:13.08 | mwilson | tra1a1a: Of course, that'll pretty much break the C compiler. |
| 19:13.09 | Justin_ | tra1a1a: no, you don't want to skip the package, you want to install it and stop pretending you know what you are doing. |
| 19:13.22 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 19:13.29 | *** join/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 19:13.30 | *** join/#debian trasher (~trasher@d213-101-54-15.swipnet.se) |
| 19:13.32 | wiak | tarzeau: thx :) |
| 19:13.49 | tarzeau | wiak: dpkg -S /usr/bin/mkpasswd |
| 19:14.17 | *** join/#debian Glenn^BF (~Glenn@19-129.CampusNet.ucl.ac.be) |
| 19:14.25 | tra1a1a | ok, guys |
| 19:14.25 | *** join/#debian imperitoo (~imperito@132.170.40.7) |
| 19:14.26 | *** part/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:14.41 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:14.51 | tra1a1a | I can see that you don't know (or don't want to tell me) the answer to my question |
| 19:15.10 | tra1a1a | so thanks for explaining me what I want to do |
| 19:15.15 | tra1a1a | and what I dont |
| 19:15.19 | *** join/#debian eeyore- (~faxmodem@gatekeeper.axysdesign.com) |
| 19:15.24 | Justin_ | tra1a1a: if you had a real question, you would have gotten an answer |
| 19:15.24 | *** join/#debian termitor (~termitor@lns-th2-4f-81-56-215-147.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:15.27 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 19:15.33 | tra1a1a | Justin_, right |
| 19:15.37 | Justin_ | tra1a1a: instead, you are just whining about things you don't understand |
| 19:15.39 | ShaolinTiger | tra1a1a: you want to get down on your knees and please jesus until you feel the warm love all over your face |
| 19:16.00 | zu22 | eeyore-: greetings weary traveller |
| 19:16.03 | eeyore- | has anybody tried to compile kernel 2.4.23 with gcc 3.3.3? i'm getting a syntax error in net/flow.h, seems it doesn't like "atomic_t" definition. this is odd. |
| 19:16.05 | *** part/#debian termitor (~termitor@lns-th2-4f-81-56-215-147.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:16.12 | *** join/#debian spenerc (~spenerc@N657P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:16.20 | Justin_ | eeyore-: /topic heh |
| 19:16.37 | Justin_ | where the hell is .bg? are all people from there that stupid? |
| 19:16.39 | neewt | Anyone tried freedesktop? |
| 19:16.44 | eeyore- | oh |
| 19:16.49 | Justin_ | neewt: #freedesktop |
| 19:17.05 | neewt | Justin_, thanks |
| 19:17.05 | *** join/#debian nowx (~nowx@simmu3-81-62.utaonline.at) |
| 19:17.06 | *** join/#debian guk (chris@cable114-56.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 19:17.19 | eeyore- | Justin_: that's not the cause of flow.h problem, though. yes, i'm aware of the root exploit :) |
| 19:17.27 | mwilson | So, he gets an answer, he doesn't understand it, so it must be wrong. <sigh> |
| 19:17.45 | *** part/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:18.02 | bitva | eeyore-: i've done it no problem |
| 19:18.06 | ShaolinTiger | eeyore-: i think what he was pointing to was...If you don't know how to compile a kernel...etc.. |
| 19:18.19 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:18.30 | *** join/#debian dl-hurley (~hurley@pc-dl894b.cis.ohio-state.edu) |
| 19:18.42 | *** join/#debian vpb (~vpb@213.149.98.19) |
| 19:18.45 | *** join/#debian buht (~buht@ledya.smed.com) |
| 19:18.46 | eeyore- | bitva: probably an option somewhere in ip multicast ... hmm |
| 19:18.50 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 19:18.55 | calamari_ | i |
| 19:19.00 | calamari_ | and hi too :) |
| 19:19.08 | *** part/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:19.26 | vpb | i have downloaded the 1st of debian and it is a .iso file whith what program can i burn it on cd? |
| 19:19.35 | vpb | 1st CD of DEbian**** |
| 19:19.38 | uws | vpb: cdrecord |
| 19:19.38 | *** join/#debian caeldmz (~caeldmz@HSE-Montreal-ppp32446.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 19:19.39 | buht | shouldnt another deban linux box with ipv6 support be picking up broadcasts from radvd coming from another box? (i have a linux radvd system on one hub, and the machine i want to pickup the ipv6 information and autoconfigure itself is on a 2nd hub from the uplink port).. shouldnt this work? |
| 19:19.44 | *** join/#debian Xybernaut (~GreyCat@dsl81-215-41704.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) |
| 19:19.46 | bitva | eeyore-: i don't think i compiled that in so i don't know |
| 19:19.50 | uws | vpb: DO you mean on linux? |
| 19:19.53 | eeyore- | ShaolinTiger: yes, it's amazing because it looks to me like either a *.c file somewhere forgot to include the definition of amotic_t, or the compiler is screwed. neither of which points to "i don't know how to compile kernel" :-) |
| 19:19.54 | vpb | yes |
| 19:20.00 | uws | vpb: On windows: most burn tools will burn .iso for you |
| 19:20.09 | vpb | yes but i want to do it on linux |
| 19:20.12 | *** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@68-233-30-23.pittpa.adelphia.net) |
| 19:20.15 | uws | vpb: I'd suggest reading the cd writing howto, google will help you find it |
| 19:20.22 | calamari_ | I've mounted my windows drive (vfat) /dev/hda3, but only root seems to be able to write to it. How can I grant another user account write access? |
| 19:20.25 | uws | vpb: It has lot of information on stuff like that |
| 19:20.35 | *** join/#debian konrad (konrad@200-161-253-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 19:20.35 | Justin_ | !tell calamari_ about vfatrw |
| 19:20.38 | vpb | can you tell me what's the best burning program? |
| 19:20.44 | eeyore- | bitva: yeah, i notice the debian official kernel was compiled with gcc 3.3.2, while the version in sid is 3.3.3 |
| 19:20.45 | *** join/#debian Painless (~Painless@cc43737-a.deven1.ov.home.nl) |
| 19:20.47 | ShaolinTiger | its in atomic.h |
| 19:20.48 | caphuso | vpb: no |
| 19:20.51 | buht | do i need to do any extra special configuration for a linux host with ipv6 support to catch radvd ipv6 announcements? |
| 19:20.58 | *** join/#debian msiebuhr (~msiebuhr@hamilton.egmont-kol.dk) |
| 19:21.04 | *** join/#debian cyberyo (~cyberyo@AClermont-Ferrand-101-1-1-210.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:21.12 | *** join/#debian hllrt (user@ua41d80.elisa.omakaista.fi) |
| 19:21.17 | ShaolinTiger | include/asm-i386/atomic.h, line 22 to be precise |
| 19:21.23 | Painless | Hello, does anyone knows howto install KDE under debian? |
| 19:21.28 | konrad | How can I make Mozilla/Firebird open a new window instead of showing that annoying "select profile" message? |
| 19:21.49 | sgeigerbot | Painless: sudo apt-get install kdebase |
| 19:21.53 | eeyore- | ShaolinTiger: yeah, if i get the same compile error this time i'll look at the include stack |
| 19:21.59 | streuner | Painless: /list #debian-kde and read the topic |
| 19:22.00 | calamari_ | Justin_: don't think the bot worked :) google didn't find vfatrw either |
| 19:22.01 | tourt | how can I clean the apt-cache? |
| 19:22.23 | *** join/#debian mex (~mex@195.69.138.206) |
| 19:22.24 | *** join/#debian phaseout (~newbie@218-160-80-174.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 19:22.31 | mwilson | eeyore-: Thank you for reminding me that I'd forgotten to build 2.4.24 with 2.95 |
| 19:22.41 | Justin_ | hmm |
| 19:22.44 | Painless | allright streuner |
| 19:22.46 | *** join/#debian partymola (~Debian@222.Red-81-44-158.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:22.47 | Justin_ | wtf deleted the factoid |
| 19:22.48 | marcm | when will sarge go stable? |
| 19:22.54 | Justin_ | ~+vfatrw |
| 19:22.56 | | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 19:22.56 | sgeigerbot | tourt: apt-get clean |
| 19:22.58 | Justin_ | there |
| 19:22.59 | mwilson | marcm: When it's ready. |
| 19:23.00 | eeyore- | mwilson: you like 2.95 for kernel building huh? :-) |
| 19:23.04 | streuner | ~sarge pool |
| 19:23.05 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 19:23.05 | hllrt | How do I burn CD's under 2.6-test11 kernel? |
| 19:23.05 | buckwad | buht: I ended up recompiling the tspc program from freenet6 myself |
| 19:23.05 | calamari_ | Justin_: thanks :) |
| 19:23.15 | mwilson | eeyore-: I see no reason to use anything other than the recommended compiler. |
| 19:23.24 | buht | buckwad : my windows clients get ipv6 autoconfigured, just not my linux boxes |
| 19:23.31 | caphuso | Justin_: something's screwed dpkg's database. completely |
| 19:23.46 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Window-level image compositing looks pretty interesting. Have you done it? I'm wondering how easy it would be to add to your average xfree86 installation... |
| 19:23.47 | *** join/#debian Jonzl|weg (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 19:23.47 | streuner | hllrt: with cdrecord |
| 19:23.55 | sockmonk_ | msg apt sarge bet |
| 19:23.59 | buckwad | buht: hmm, I don't have any Linux clients, just the router. My XP box works fine |
| 19:23.59 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: it's not xfree86 |
| 19:24.03 | sockmonk_ | urp |
| 19:24.04 | buht | buckwad : my freenet works fine... im just trying to have a linux machine autoconfigure its ipv6 info from the radvd broacasts... |
| 19:24.21 | streuner | dondelelcaro: awake |
| 19:24.22 | calamari_ | Justin_: am I correct in assuming fstab is only loaded on boot? |
| 19:24.26 | eeyore- | i bet "1/1/2038" |
| 19:24.27 | *** join/#debian eye69 (~magnus@upcore.net) |
| 19:24.29 | hllrt | streuner: sure, but ide-scsi modules doesn't seem to work. cdrecord -scanbus doesn't help. |
| 19:24.29 | Justin_ | calamari_: no |
| 19:24.31 | mwilson | calamari_: No. |
| 19:24.40 | caphuso | calamari_: it's not loaded at all. it's read by mount when someone or something runs mount |
| 19:24.44 | *** join/#debian Doochy|Web52 (~Web52_Doo@elsker.at.lave.hashkage.org) |
| 19:24.45 | Doochy|Web52 | Whats wrong when i do ifdown eth1 it says: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.... and eth1 is in ifconfig |
| 19:24.52 | buht | buckwad : speaking of XP, is it possible to get XP to be able to access ipv6 sites with out an ipv4 address? using linux as a router? im having issues figuring out how the hell to setup its ipv6 dns |
| 19:24.59 | Justin_ | ~tell Doochy|Web52 about interfaces |
| 19:25.01 | caphuso | calamari_: e.g. /etc/init.d/mountall.sh at boottime |
| 19:25.02 | *** join/#debian keyz (~keyz@APoitiers-106-1-31-145.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:25.20 | buckwad | buht: hehe, well, let me know when you figure that out too... ;) |
| 19:25.21 | streuner | hllrt: what does 'cdrecord -scanbus' say? |
| 19:25.22 | calamari_ | caphuso: cool! :) |
| 19:25.22 | buht | all : if i have 2 hubs , one is connected via uplink to the other... will the 2nd one be considered on the same segment and get radvd broadcasts? |
| 19:25.23 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Are you using it? I assume it's a paint to switch out xfree86... |
| 19:25.26 | *** join/#debian yo_ma (1002@ndf-dial-196-30-126-135.mweb.co.za) |
| 19:25.33 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: it's not finished yet |
| 19:25.35 | yo_ma | hello all |
| 19:25.38 | Doochy|Web52 | Justing: its gone in /etc/network/interface |
| 19:25.40 | Doochy|Web52 | no eth1 there |
| 19:25.42 | Doochy|Web52 | i removed it |
| 19:25.44 | Justin_ | Doochy|Web52: duh |
| 19:25.47 | Doochy|Web52 | cant i kill eth1 |
| 19:25.54 | Justin_ | Doochy|Web52: ifconfig eth1 down |
| 19:25.57 | marcm | mwilson I hear that all the time . what's the release cycle anyway? |
| 19:26.02 | yo_ma | how good is debian for a new laptop. slackware wasn't so nice with my laptop |
| 19:26.04 | hllrt | streuner: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 19:26.10 | mwilson | marcm: What makes you think there is one? |
| 19:26.14 | streuner | hllrt: modprobe ide-cd and sg |
| 19:26.15 | Justin_ | ~tell hllrt about 2.6 |
| 19:26.17 | hllrt | streuner: ide-scsi module is loaded |
| 19:26.18 | eeyore- | yo_ma: ACPI might be challenging |
| 19:26.26 | streuner | hllrt: heh? |
| 19:26.33 | Justin_ | streuner: shush |
| 19:26.38 | yo_ma | eeyore-: ACPI? |
| 19:26.38 | marcm | mwilson what the heck use people on their workstations then? |
| 19:26.42 | buckwad | buht: if thy're simple hubs, sure, that should work |
| 19:26.46 | eeyore- | yo_ma: but other than that, i've got no problem with debian on late model ThinkPad / HPAQ laptops |
| 19:26.52 | mwilson | marcm: Whatever they like. |
| 19:27.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 696] by debhelper |
| 19:27.01 | *** join/#debian rulesnut (~rulesnut@CPE0030ab05d0ba-CM014080210792.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:27.05 | buckwad | buht: even a bridge should be transparent |
| 19:27.09 | *** join/#debian [MUPPETS]Rizzo (~plasma@80.69.37.20) |
| 19:27.10 | asg | yo_ma: runs very well on this Latitude CPi |
| 19:27.11 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | moinsens |
| 19:27.23 | marcm | mwilson I mean from the debian branches, which one is best suited for a production system? |
| 19:27.25 | *** join/#debian jhair (jto@p508B1D5A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:27.27 | *** join/#debian arauko (~arauko@del-03-017.mbo.ras.cantv.net) |
| 19:27.29 | hllrt | streuner: that didn't help ide-cd is already loaded and loading sg, didn't help. |
| 19:27.32 | mwilson | marcm: Stable. |
| 19:27.42 | Justin_ | ~tell hllrt about 2.6 |
| 19:27.46 | buht | buckwad : ok thanks.. ill be back in a bit i need to try some things |
| 19:27.55 | rulesnut | how do I apt-get upgrade a specific package; ie screen |
| 19:28.02 | eeyore- | yo_ma: stick with nvidia / ATI chips and you should be safe. |
| 19:28.02 | caphuso | rulesnut: apt-get install screen |
| 19:28.12 | rulesnut | even if it already installed? |
| 19:28.13 | sgeigerbot | rulesnut: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 19:28.16 | hllrt | Justin_: thanks. |
| 19:28.18 | caphuso | rulesnut: yes |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@213.233.78.42] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@212.86.247.43 *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@202.88.241.78] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@nu.gg] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*blootbot@*] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net *!root@*] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq pmm!*@* *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.20 | *** mode/#debian [+qq *!*@202.129.1.48 nugg!*@*] by jordan.freenode.net |
| 19:28.22 | rulesnut | thank you |
| 19:28.24 | marcm | mwilson so I should use gnome 1.4 with x 4.1 on my workstation for years? |
| 19:28.27 | *** join/#debian sth__ (~sth@pD9E9F8E4.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.27 | *** join/#debian MiXeN_dK (~mikkel2@0x50a45569.boanxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 19:28.27 | *** join/#debian Forcemstr (~jon@p50891AE8.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian wasabi (~jhaltom@64.25.11.66) |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian natron (foobar@65.114.118.98) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian NickB__ (~nick@dyn-202-89-162-2.arach.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian wacko_-_ (wacko_-@cs6625201-79.austin.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (~CrazyEddy@p105-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian ysothoth (~ysothoth@68-174-22-46.si.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian stillbourne (~stillbour@c-24-9-16-220.client.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian rox (rox@tm.213.143.79.69.dc.telemach.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian Bangers (~Bangers@m087-001.nv.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.28 | *** join/#debian maalox_ (~maalox@12-230-187-24.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.29 | *** join/#debian REdSKiN (~redskin@203.15.140.193) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.29 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (bhaal@bhaal.staff.freenode) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*blootbot@*] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@nu.gg *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@202.88.241.78 *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@212.86.247.43] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.233.78.42] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net nugg!*@*] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@202.129.1.48 *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.29 | *** mode/#debian [+qq pmm!*@* *!root@*] by brin.freenode.net |
| 19:28.32 | yo_ma | eeyore- and asg; i have a fujitsu-siemans laptop, with firewire and 5 usb2 ports and a whole lot more. how is debian's hardware support |
| 19:28.36 | partymola | rulesnut, installing it liket it was the first time |
| 19:28.37 | sgeigerbot | rulesnut: If you read the documentation, thank yourself. |
| 19:28.40 | streuner | hllrt: well, what version of debian? run 'dpkg -l libc6' and tell us the output |
| 19:28.53 | eeyore- | yo_ma: try booting knoppix on it :) |
| 19:29.18 | rulesnut | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat |
| 19:29.31 | *** join/#debian UdontKnow (evaldo@udontknow.staff.freenode) |
| 19:29.32 | hllrt | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-10 |
| 19:29.33 | yo_ma | knoppix is nice, but i want something permanent, although i heard knoppix can be made permanent |
| 19:29.43 | Painless | streuner, ive done what the FAQ said, but ill get this error when i try to startx: Fatal server rror: no screen found |
| 19:29.49 | *** part/#debian UdontKnow (evaldo@udontknow.staff.freenode) |
| 19:30.09 | guk | Does anyone know a good howto on "testing, formatting, mounting" a new HDD on linux (secondary of course) |
| 19:30.10 | eeyore- | yo_ma: you boot knoppix to check for hardware compatibility. it's pretty much debian. |
| 19:30.16 | yo_ma | i know i shouldn't be talking about it in here, but how is suse, #suse has some really unhelpful people |
| 19:30.18 | streuner | Painless: what videocard do you use? |
| 19:30.24 | Justin_ | guk: there is a "new hard drive howto" or something... tldp.org |
| 19:30.29 | Painless | geforce 4 mx 440 |
| 19:30.30 | guk | excellent |
| 19:30.31 | streuner | hllrt: fine, custom kernel? |
| 19:30.31 | guk | thanks |
| 19:30.32 | yo_ma | eeyore-: oh thanx |
| 19:30.35 | mwilson | yo_ma: Good for them. Tell them, maybe they'll care. |
| 19:30.42 | hllrt | steuner: yes |
| 19:30.44 | streuner | Painless: try #nvidia |
| 19:30.51 | Painless | allright |
| 19:30.58 | bancus | Painless, I have that card |
| 19:31.02 | partymola | Painless, I've a geforce4 mx 440 working well... |
| 19:31.03 | bancus | want my config file? |
| 19:31.11 | Painless | sure :)) |
| 19:31.15 | bancus | dcc? |
| 19:31.16 | partymola | Painless, do you have installed NVidia drivers? |
| 19:31.29 | IV0 | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~karlb/tux/quake-tux.jpg |
| 19:31.33 | yo_ma | wilson: naby you should join them == along with the other bitches |
| 19:31.34 | Painless | partymola, ive just intalled the debian package, i dont have seen nivida drivers coming arround |
| 19:31.49 | bancus | that'd be the problem then |
| 19:31.58 | bancus | the packages contain source which must be compiled |
| 19:32.02 | *** part/#debian mex (~mex@195.69.138.206) |
| 19:32.03 | *** join/#debian destroyer (~destroyer@124.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au) |
| 19:32.04 | partymola | Painless, in the nvidia webpage, you can find a executable that installs nvidia driver correctly |
| 19:32.05 | streuner | hllrt: hm, i took the .config out of bf2.4's.... |
| 19:32.14 | Painless | ill take al ook |
| 19:32.16 | Painless | a look* |
| 19:32.19 | partymola | ok :LD |
| 19:32.22 | partymola | :D |
| 19:32.23 | eeyore- | ShaolinTiger: yep, getting the error again. this time the include stack is: sm_make_chunk.c:63 -> net/sock.h -> net/flow.h |
| 19:32.29 | streuner | hllrt: took the part of CD section of it. |
| 19:32.45 | *** join/#debian Maxfer (ircap751@80-28-111-96.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) |
| 19:32.46 | mwilson | Cute. |
| 19:32.53 | *** part/#debian Maxfer (ircap751@80-28-111-96.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) |
| 19:32.53 | mwilson | 2.4.24 doesn't build with 2.95 |
| 19:33.00 | hllrt | streuner: and everything works for you? |
| 19:33.02 | Painless | panthera, wich one should i take? |
| 19:33.09 | streuner | hllrt: yep |
| 19:33.25 | hllrt | streuner: strange. |
| 19:33.59 | panthera | Painless: enickcomplete? |
| 19:33.59 | yo_ma | well all, have a good evening |
| 19:34.03 | yo_ma | GOD BLESS |
| 19:34.04 | eeyore- | ShaolinTiger: (i'm not asking you to help me fix it, just thought you might like to see it). i'm looking into the cause myself. |
| 19:34.16 | *** join/#debian bfree (~chatzilla@dsl-32-113.dsl.netsource.ie) |
| 19:34.21 | Painless | panthera: what do you mean? |
| 19:34.22 | ShaolinTiger | eeyore-: ok cool :) |
| 19:34.22 | hllrt | streuer: Maybe I have to look my kernel config again. |
| 19:34.34 | panthera | Painless: 20:33 < Painless> panthera, wich one should i take? |
| 19:34.43 | Painless | about the nvidia drivers |
| 19:34.47 | Painless | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html |
| 19:34.49 | Painless | wich one? |
| 19:34.59 | streuner | hllrt: check BTS out too. |
| 19:35.11 | Painless | the 32 is the processor bits? |
| 19:35.16 | *** join/#debian davee (~davee@cpc2-oxfd4-3-0-cust131.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:35.18 | panthera | Painless: partymola != panthera |
| 19:35.24 | zu22 | wow pete rose finally admitted gambling on baseball while he was Reds manager, wonder if he'll ever get into hall of hame, he still is the all time hits leader so i say let him in, many ppl in hall of fame made mistakes |
| 19:35.24 | Painless | whe |
| 19:35.27 | Painless | damn, stupid me |
| 19:35.28 | partymola | Painless, yes, 32bitws |
| 19:35.36 | partymola | ha ha |
| 19:35.37 | Painless | sorry about that panthera ;) |
| 19:35.43 | panthera | Painless: np |
| 19:35.44 | eeyore- | apparently it's (sm_make_chunk) is part of something called SCTP. i haven't a clue what it is :-D |
| 19:35.51 | *** join/#debian caci (~caci@pD902B308.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:35.56 | unixfool` | zu22: really? |
| 19:35.58 | chris|work | Anyone happen to know a mirror for the xfs netinst cds? The main server on d.o isn't up |
| 19:36.00 | *** join/#debian burma (~burma@81.24.130.6) |
| 19:36.06 | *** join/#debian alexskan (~frnz@adsl-236-96.37-151.net24.it) |
| 19:36.11 | *** join/#debian Jonzl (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 19:36.18 | mwilson | chris|work: Except that it is. |
| 19:36.20 | zu22 | unixfool`: ya, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=545&ncid=755&e=1&u=/ap/20040105/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbn_rose_book |
| 19:36.26 | *** join/#debian lopox2 (~luca@host30-10.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:36.32 | eeyore- | stream control transmission protocol, doesn't look like i need it. it's gone :) |
| 19:36.46 | *** join/#debian g4rvald (~g4rvald@195.49.87.218) |
| 19:37.08 | hllrt | streuner: sure, thanks! |
| 19:37.11 | g4rvald | gday folks :) |
| 19:37.14 | *** join/#debian muntjac (~muntjac@87.146-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 19:37.18 | zu22 | eeyore-: heh |
| 19:37.18 | chris|work | mwilson: oh? I'm getting 403s over here? |
| 19:37.26 | *** part/#debian muntjac (~muntjac@87.146-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 19:37.29 | phaseout | stream & TLI is gone ... |
| 19:37.30 | streuner | chris|: if you wanna search, try this /msg apt di |
| 19:37.40 | zu22 | g4vald: oi! good on ya mate |
| 19:38.02 | g4rvald | zu22: hallo matey ! how ya doin ! |
| 19:38.20 | eeyore- | oh sneaky little bugger!!! SCTP option is one of those "SCTP (Experimental) --->" option that you have to go into to disable it :-P |
| 19:38.24 | *** part/#debian msiebuhr (~msiebuhr@hamilton.egmont-kol.dk) |
| 19:38.25 | zu22 | g4vald: alrighty |
| 19:38.44 | SocketERR_ | does anyone know a good voicechat prog? |
| 19:39.07 | g4rvald | SocketERR_: netmeeting |
| 19:39.14 | g4rvald | :) |
| 19:39.20 | tam | anyone got any ideas on this: i got kernel 2.6 from http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ and installed it...it all works apart from that I can't get X working :( checked my X11 log but can't really understand it |
| 19:39.34 | Justin_ | !tell tam about X problem |
| 19:39.37 | mwilson | ~netinst |
| 19:39.39 | | netinst is probably a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
| 19:39.58 | eeyore- | tam: you've got to try to understand X log some day |
| 19:40.01 | *** join/#debian lopox2 (~luca@host30-10.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:40.05 | *** join/#debian trans___err (~trans_err@user-11faqk0.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 19:40.05 | g4rvald | !tell g4rvald about X problem |
| 19:40.06 | eeyore- | tam: might as well be now |
| 19:40.12 | tam | eeyore-: i can understand it in kernel 2.4 :) |
| 19:40.21 | *** join/#debian vance (~vance@rn-re124c14.uwaterloo.ca) |
| 19:40.28 | bitva | X and the kernel are different |
| 19:40.30 | linxuz3r | āŧāŧāŧāŧāŧāŧāŧ |
| 19:40.31 | eeyore- | tam: why is it different for 2.6? |
| 19:40.41 | *** join/#debian bizkit_ (bizkit@pD9E27986.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:40.44 | linxuz3r | someone read that or needs a specific unicode? |
| 19:40.47 | tam | eeyore-: because i've never had soo many errors in 2.4 heh |
| 19:40.55 | phaseout | ųŌ |
| 19:41.18 | *** join/#debian _jle_ (~joseph@user-5937.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:41.30 | *** join/#debian aarkerio (~manuel@132.248.107.46) |
| 19:41.51 | Painless | damn, apt-get is the nicest thing in linux world :)) |
| 19:41.56 | *** join/#debian caci (~caci@pD902B308.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:41.56 | eeyore- | linxuz3r: i get it. it's the hairball from Bill the Cat in Bloom County, right? |
| 19:41.57 | _jle_ | how do i change keymap? and change my WM? (dont know how to do it with XDM) |
| 19:42.04 | g4rvald | Painless: ever had sex ? |
| 19:42.10 | *** join/#debian ts_ (~thomas@0x50c480c2.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) |
| 19:42.12 | Painless | after sex then ;) |
| 19:42.12 | asg | eeyore-: hehe |
| 19:42.24 | *** join/#debian tbee|gelignite (tbee_bot@pD9E1D0A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:42.26 | tam | g4rvald: ever had sex with a linux chick? |
| 19:42.37 | ts_ | Gnome says: 'Couldn't open mixer device /dev/sound/mixer' and i dont got that device ? how do i fix that ? (kernel 2.6 with alsa) |
| 19:42.42 | g4rvald | tam: hehe :) no she used winblows :) |
| 19:42.44 | _jle_ | apt-get last more than 30 seconds tho |
| 19:42.53 | g4rvald | or winblo's |
| 19:42.56 | Painless | dump her g4rvald :P |
| 19:42.59 | tam | lol |
| 19:43.05 | phaseout | alsa? |
| 19:43.06 | g4rvald | but she blo's so gooood |
| 19:43.25 | _jle_ | do i change .Xauthority to change my wm? |
| 19:43.34 | bitva | nope |
| 19:43.42 | *** join/#debian FB (~toaster@200.165.137.90) |
| 19:43.45 | bitva | .xinitrc will do it |
| 19:43.46 | streuner | _jle_: /msg apt wm |
| 19:43.46 | *** join/#debian bkw__ (~bkw@195.242.58.173) |
| 19:43.47 | caphuso | _jle_: no, ~/.xsession |
| 19:43.52 | partymola | Painless, is this working? |
| 19:43.55 | *** join/#debian Joris (~joris@213-193-182-208.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 19:43.57 | Painless | not really |
| 19:44.06 | Painless | its wining about the kernel interface or something |
| 19:44.09 | Painless | install failed :/ |
| 19:44.15 | _jle_ | ok |
| 19:44.19 | RelDrgn | hm, apt's factoid for wm is pretty unenlightenig ;) |
| 19:44.32 | streuner | ~wm |
| 19:44.34 | | wm is, like, god |
| 19:44.37 | oskie | so this linux mremap bug is pretty serious |
| 19:44.41 | _jle_ | my keyboard is us i want uk how do i change? |
| 19:44.42 | streuner | haha |
| 19:44.50 | *** join/#debian herzi (~herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de) |
| 19:44.57 | greycat | ~factinfo wm |
| 19:44.57 | | wm -- created by wm <superfoo@roc-66-66-181-114.rochester.rr.com> at Fri Jul 18 18:43:21 2003 (171 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by streuner, 23s ago. |
| 19:44.58 | RelDrgn | anyway, the systemwide default for window manager is set by /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 19:45.10 | caphuso | _jle_: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:45.13 | *** join/#debian teaves (~teaves@external.overtons.com) |
| 19:45.13 | streuner | _jle_: use ravenbird instead |
| 19:45.15 | Painless | partymola, so what to do know ? :P |
| 19:45.21 | Painless | now* |
| 19:45.29 | teaves | How can I supress the boot logo? (The little penguin) |
| 19:45.29 | partymola | Painless, what is the exact error? |
| 19:45.36 | greycat | apt, no, wm is an abbreviation for "window manager", but some people think it means "wmaker" (window maker), which is just one WM. |
| 19:45.38 | | okay, greycat |
| 19:45.44 | partymola | teaves, loading without Framebuffer |
| 19:45.54 | teaves | partymola: Yea, but how do I do that ;) |
| 19:45.56 | Painless | No procompiled kernel interface was fount to match your kernel..... download it from nvidia ftp site? |
| 19:45.57 | phaseout | vesafb? |
| 19:46.00 | *** join/#debian McQuaid (mcquaid@H79.C233.tor.velocet.net) |
| 19:46.02 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 19:46.05 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 19:46.05 | streuner | @factinfo wm |
| 19:46.06 | ravenbird | wm -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Tue Jun 12 15:26:25 2001 (937 days); last modified at Thu Jun 14 13:57:19 2001 by greycat!wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org; it has been requested 2 times, last by caphuso, 44s ago. |
| 19:46.08 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: Hey, why do you recommend MovableType blogging software? That's commercial. |
| 19:46.08 | Painless | i press ok |
| 19:46.14 | Painless | then it says: |
| 19:46.18 | partymola | teaves, delete vga=???? from your lilo or grub configuration file |
| 19:46.18 | *** join/#debian Deep6 (~Deep6@208.38.35.162) |
| 19:46.18 | *** join/#debian jbecker (~jbecker@pD958AEC7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:46.20 | greycat | @+wm |
| 19:46.20 | ravenbird | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession instead. "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 19:46.21 | streuner | greycat: ;-) |
| 19:46.21 | McQuaid | does someone know where typically a nice value would be set for X? |
| 19:46.28 | Painless | No matchin precompiled kernel interface was found |
| 19:46.45 | Painless | this means that the installer will need to commpile a kernel interface for your kernel |
| 19:46.47 | McQuaid | right now mine is set to -10, and I've read thats not good for 2.6, even though it helped responsiveness on 2.4 |
| 19:46.49 | Painless | pressing ok.. |
| 19:46.49 | teaves | Okay, done, thanks. |
| 19:46.55 | phaseout | video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x318 |
| 19:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper |
| 19:47.07 | teaves | Other question - Is there any way to FORCE the numlock key to always be on? |
| 19:47.09 | Painless | ERROR: unable to find kernel header files for the currently running kernel |
| 19:47.18 | partymola | Painless, do you have in /usr/src/linux the kernel sources? |
| 19:47.20 | Painless | i must install the kernel-source? |
| 19:47.23 | _jle_ | i installed blackbox how do i change it to that, i dont have a ~/.xsession |
| 19:47.26 | partymola | Painless, yeah :D |
| 19:47.27 | Painless | whehe |
| 19:47.31 | partymola | Painless, kernel-headers |
| 19:47.32 | The_Vulture | _jle_: so make one |
| 19:47.41 | _jle_ | ok |
| 19:47.41 | The_Vulture | man blackbox |
| 19:47.42 | *** join/#debian Esus (foobar@pcp03455171pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 19:47.56 | jhair | McQuaid: /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 19:48.05 | *** join/#debian RinzeWind (~chema@2001:800:40:260c:0:0:1127:2) |
| 19:48.20 | Painless | partymola, when i type, apt-get install kernel-header |
| 19:48.21 | partymola | Naso, RinzeWind |
| 19:48.23 | Painless | i get a whole list |
| 19:48.31 | partymola | Painless, what is your kernel? |
| 19:48.39 | partymola | Painless, uname -r and watch it |
| 19:48.41 | _jle_ | k, find -name .xsession |
| 19:48.47 | *** part/#debian aarkerio (~manuel@132.248.107.46) |
| 19:49.00 | RelDrgn | teaves: as far as I know, its not possible. |
| 19:49.04 | Painless | 2.2.20idepci |
| 19:49.13 | *** join/#debian cmon (cmon@pD952412C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:49.16 | Painless | just install that one i guess |
| 19:49.33 | partymola | Painless, yeah, the kernel headers for 2.2.20idepci :D |
| 19:49.46 | McQuaid | jhair thx |
| 19:49.57 | Painless | its installing |
| 19:50.03 | *** join/#debian Matthew_I (~matthew@c-24-98-16-85.atl.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:50.05 | Painless | done |
| 19:50.08 | _jle_ | quit |
| 19:50.17 | Matthew_I | why dosent bash use less as it's pager? |
| 19:50.23 | partymola | Painless, :D Nvidia drivers work VERY well |
| 19:50.33 | mwilson | Matthew_I: Huh? |
| 19:50.37 | Painless | euh |
| 19:50.38 | Painless | no |
| 19:50.43 | Painless | stil same error |
| 19:50.46 | teaves | RelDrgn: Drat. Any way to enable it at boot, at least? |
| 19:50.56 | mwilson | Matthew_I: "bash" doesn't use anything at all as a "pager". |
| 19:51.02 | Matthew_I | mwilson: when you press tab, and there are too many entries to show on one screen it uses more as the pager |
| 19:51.05 | partymola | Painless, tell me what directories are under /usr/src |
| 19:51.31 | *** join/#debian irelandj (~irelandj@cpc2-hink2-3-0-cust116.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:51.39 | *** join/#debian debiantux99 (~sven@dsl-213-023-219-003.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:51.46 | *** join/#debian ercin (~caldera@212.174.229.132) |
| 19:51.56 | mwilson | Matthew_I: Really. When did that start? When did you make that decision for the bash developers, and why haven't you told them? |
| 19:51.58 | *** join/#debian termitor (~termitor@lns-th2-4f-81-56-215-147.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:52.00 | Painless | partymola: kernel-header-2.2.20-idepci and rpm |
| 19:52.04 | *** part/#debian termitor (~termitor@lns-th2-4f-81-56-215-147.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:52.06 | *** join/#debian Kumpel (~kumpel@p508A50C5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:52.11 | jhair | Matthew_I: $ file pager; pwd |
| 19:52.12 | jhair | pager: symbolic link to /usr/bin/less |
| 19:52.12 | jhair | /etc/alternatives |
| 19:52.13 | Painless | that are 2 files |
| 19:52.15 | ts_ | Gnome says: 'Couldn't open mixer device /dev/sound/mixer' and i dont got that device ? how do i fix that ? (kernel 2.6) |
| 19:52.26 | Matthew_I | mwilson: huh? I have less installed and /etc/alternatives is pointing to less, but bash still uses more |
| 19:52.31 | partymola | Painless, 2 files? kernel-header is not a directory? |
| 19:52.41 | mwilson | Matthew_I: Except, of course, that bash isn't using more at all. |
| 19:52.41 | Painless | euh |
| 19:52.44 | Painless | a direcotryt yes |
| 19:52.49 | partymola | ah :D |
| 19:52.49 | Painless | with a include file in it |
| 19:52.55 | partymola | ok, ok |
| 19:52.58 | *** part/#debian cmon (cmon@pD952412C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:53.00 | Matthew_I | jhair: pager is linked to less |
| 19:53.07 | mwilson | Matthew_I: Except, of course, that bash isn't using any pager at all, isn't calling any external binary at all. |
| 19:53.15 | partymola | Painless, you've to make a symbolic link called linux to kernel-headers... |
| 19:53.23 | mwilson | Matthew_I: Except, of course, that you have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 19:53.25 | Matthew_I | mwilson: so that is built inot bash... |
| 19:53.26 | Painless | eeeeeuh |
| 19:53.28 | *** join/#debian _jle_ (~joseph@user-5937.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:53.36 | Painless | and how to do that? |
| 19:53.39 | Painless | *linux leek* |
| 19:53.42 | Matthew_I | mwilson: except your only helpful half of the time... |
| 19:53.42 | partymola | you've to cd in /usr/src and execute (as root) ln -s kernel-headers[...] linux |
| 19:54.01 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 19:54.02 | mwilson | partymola: Why would you recommend to someone that they break things by doing that? |
| 19:54.11 | *** join/#debian sim (sim@pD952412C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:54.13 | Painless | done |
| 19:54.16 | partymola | mwilson, :S |
| 19:54.23 | *** part/#debian sim (sim@pD952412C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:54.25 | partymola | Painless, retry then... |
| 19:54.32 | _jle_ | x restart did it |
| 19:54.34 | _jle_ | :D |
| 19:54.43 | partymola | mwilson, why you say that? |
| 19:55.01 | Painless | gcc-version-check failed |
| 19:55.18 | mwilson | partymola: Because there's no reason to link your libc includes into the kernel source tree unless the idea is to break things. |
| 19:55.31 | *** join/#debian oneifreak (~superuser@64.56.132.143) |
| 19:55.42 | streuner | ~tell Pimpinella about away |
| 19:55.48 | partymola | mwilson, thinks will not terminate broken if you set this correctly |
| 19:55.52 | bizkit_ | anyone knows howto get plone on stable running? |
| 19:56.01 | Painless | installing is complete partymola |
| 19:56.07 | mwilson | partymola: "Correctly" means don't symlink it at all. |
| 19:56.12 | partymola | Painless, relado X |
| 19:56.24 | partymola | mwilson, correctly means non-working? |
| 19:56.27 | jhair | bizkit: backport? |
| 19:56.35 | Painless | same error partymola |
| 19:56.47 | bizkit | jhair: the only unofficial sources i found are down |
| 19:56.48 | Painless | unable to local/open config file |
| 19:56.51 | partymola | Painless, read the manual |
| 19:57.00 | partymola | Painless, are you executing it as root? |
| 19:57.04 | Painless | yes |
| 19:57.13 | mwilson | partymola: Then you've also had the cluebie do something else to break things. You *never* includes into your kernel source tree. |
| 19:57.22 | partymola | Painless, what is the *exact* error |
| 19:57.28 | mwilson | partymola: That practice went away ages ago. |
| 19:57.45 | partymola | mwilson, well, ŋthen how do you solve it? |
| 19:58.02 | zu22 | here is a cool site someone may want add to the factoid for apt: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 19:58.05 | Painless | (EE) Unable to locate/open config file <new rule> (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 19:58.11 | Painless | Fatal Server error: no screens found |
| 19:58.18 | *** join/#debian danieru (~danieru@82-33-8-63.cable.ubr14.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:58.35 | partymola | Painless, what Debian "flavour" you use? Potato?? |
| 19:58.38 | danieru | anyone here anygood at fixing XFS filesystems :\ |
| 19:58.46 | Painless | only the first cd-rom, non us |
| 19:59.00 | RelDrgn | Painless: what exactly is the command you are using? |
| 19:59.05 | Painless | startx |
| 19:59.14 | _jle_ | is use woody the one disc + net one |
| 19:59.15 | partymola | Painless, check out minimal requirements in NVidia driver manual |
| 19:59.20 | zu22 | so many wm's on there i never heard about (and which are not packaged for debian heh) |
| 19:59.24 | zu22 | cool site indeed |
| 19:59.25 | RelDrgn | Painless: have you created a conifguration file? |
| 19:59.34 | Painless | lets c |
| 19:59.40 | partymola | RelDrgn, installer creates it |
| 19:59.48 | danieru | xfs_repair -- fatal error -- couldn't map inode 44179985, err = 990.. Ahh! |
| 20:00.13 | *** join/#debian felixdz (~pjharper@62.234.113.96) |
| 20:00.20 | RelDrgn | partymola: iirc, only if you tell it to. |
| 20:00.22 | *** join/#debian mbc (~mbc@perjr.dk) |
| 20:00.44 | Painless | partymola, i dont c anny requirements on their site |
| 20:00.54 | zu22 | www.themes.org also has many wm's <--- someone add to factoid |
| 20:01.06 | Painless | or is it that damn large readme? |
| 20:01.12 | partymola | RelDrgn, it's the default behaviour |
| 20:01.16 | *** join/#debian Spike-Sp (spike@d80-170-161-160.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 20:01.18 | _jle_ | whats that 3d swivel thing with the workspaces |
| 20:01.25 | partymola | Painless, it's not so large... |
| 20:01.34 | *** join/#debian De_Mon (de_mon@user45.net247.fl.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 20:01.45 | Painless | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-5328/README < that isnt large? |
| 20:02.04 | *** join/#debian Loevborg (foobar@dyn-212-83-171-6.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 20:02.04 | *** join/#debian chapus (~chapus@200.63.159.144) |
| 20:02.06 | _jle_ | gaim dont work with msn for me |
| 20:02.26 | partymola | Painless, months ago I read it... and was the price for make NVidia Grafic Card work :D |
| 20:02.38 | *** join/#debian jsldub (~jake@access-isdn1-17.gv.psu.edu) |
| 20:02.54 | Painless | just going to read (app-b) APPENDIX B: MINIMUM SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS |
| 20:03.11 | partymola | Painless, check it |
| 20:03.11 | jhair | Painless: you should read the documentation before installing it |
| 20:03.19 | The_Vulture | many of the appendicies aren't all that important in all cases |
| 20:03.27 | The_Vulture | the main steps are quite short and to the point |
| 20:03.53 | *** join/#debian rdancer (~jan@tunelaar.networx.cz) |
| 20:04.08 | spenerc | is the debian stable kernel patched against the 2 last root exploits? |
| 20:04.20 | caphuso | spenerc: no |
| 20:04.25 | mwilson | Linux version 2.4.24 (root@filehost) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerel |
| 20:04.25 | mwilson | ease)) #1 SMP Mon Jan 5 13:37:52 PST 2004 |
| 20:04.29 | mwilson | Ok, that's better. |
| 20:04.47 | *** join/#debian linuX|tombhadAC (~tombhad@pD9E1AA2F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:05.01 | partymola | mwilson, did you compile 2.4.24 with gcc 2.95? |
| 20:05.07 | *** part/#debian jsldub (~jake@access-isdn1-17.gv.psu.edu) |
| 20:05.26 | spenerc | caphuso, why isn't there a new kernel on security.debian ? |
| 20:05.27 | mwilson | partymola: What does that say? |
| 20:05.50 | partymola | mwilson, I thought 2.4.24 can't be built using gcc 2.X |
| 20:06.03 | mwilson | partymola: Really. Where does it say that? |
| 20:06.16 | caphuso | spenerc: uh, because nobody created one yet |
| 20:06.26 | caphuso | spenerc: why else would there be no new kernel? |
| 20:06.28 | Painless | partymola, i met all the requirements :S |
| 20:06.29 | partymola | :S lots of include errors (in my RHe :D) |
| 20:06.34 | partymola | :S lots of include errors (in my RedHat :D) |
| 20:06.35 | jhair | partymola: the documentation says the opposite |
| 20:06.54 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:06.54 | mwilson | partymola: Yes, but we already know you're incomptent... no doubt that has something to do with it. |
| 20:06.57 | *** join/#debian Nitrocld (peadens@user178.net479.nc.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 20:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper |
| 20:07.01 | *** join/#debian rdancer (~jan@tunelaar.networx.cz) |
| 20:07.04 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 20:07.06 | partymola | mwilson, thanks ;P |
| 20:07.09 | caphuso | partymola: with redhat's famous gcc 2.96? |
| 20:07.09 | calamari_ | re's |
| 20:07.10 | *** part/#debian buckwad (~damon@3ffe:bc0:85f:2:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:07.19 | rdancer | hi |
| 20:07.25 | partymola | caphuso, yes |
| 20:07.33 | spenerc | caphuso, cause they will wait till sarge gets stable, or they will never upload a new one to security cause its a local exploit |
| 20:07.37 | calamari_ | is there one of those handy bot entries on how to set up defoma font support in X? |
| 20:07.43 | caphuso | spenerc: bullshit |
| 20:07.46 | rdancer | xel? |
| 20:07.49 | caphuso | partymola: you'd better be quiet |
| 20:08.02 | mwilson | spenerc: Really? You're a member of the security team? Or you've just gone ahead and decided this for them? |
| 20:08.14 | *** join/#debian JoePenguin (joe@cpe-66-75-92-111.socal.rr.com) |
| 20:08.22 | danieru | is it wise to leave a filesystem that according to fsck etc has errors until it fixes itself? ;) |
| 20:08.42 | spenerc | mwilson, forgot the ? |
| 20:08.59 | sgeigerbot | calamari_: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 20:09.03 | JoePenguin | danieru, it is unwise, as you already guess. |
| 20:09.05 | *** join/#debian xukun (~Abdi@gt1989.uvt.nl) |
| 20:09.10 | partymola | Painless, NVidia has forums for Linux users... or ask mwilson (he's sooooo good) |
| 20:09.11 | funnyguy | danieru : its wise not to use a filesystem with errors till you fix it, yes |
| 20:09.17 | zu22 | i found this X11R6.6 on www.x.org, is Xfree86 a fork of this or apples and oranges? |
| 20:09.34 | *** join/#debian marcello (~marcello@adsl-206-73.38-151.net24.it) |
| 20:09.51 | danieru | funnyguy, JoePenguin: nothing wants to fix it :( .. and I've only found a couple of files that are fscked |
| 20:09.57 | *** join/#debian lws (~lws@schancel.pacific.net) |
| 20:10.12 | lws | where exactly are the abiword and evolution and such packages? |
| 20:10.19 | *** join/#debian starfrosch (bell@80-218-12-58.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:10.20 | *** join/#debian shadowcat (~shadowcat@24-136-11-36.c3-0.prc-ubr1.chi-prc.il.cable.rcn.com) |
| 20:10.25 | lws | apt-get install abiword seems to fail, and i see nothing in the cache. |
| 20:10.32 | JoePenguin | danieru: i use reiserfs so i never have to worry about fscking :) |
| 20:10.35 | *** join/#debian Benton (~Benton@p50926D45.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:11.15 | mwilson | JoePenguin: How does that follow? |
| 20:11.20 | danieru | JoePenguin: well same here .. i use XFS, but xfs_repair gives a FATAL warning, exits and fixes fuck all :( |
| 20:11.50 | danieru | lws: apt-cache search abiword lists something? |
| 20:11.58 | *** join/#debian Zapelius (~zapelius@MDCXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 20:12.07 | lws | nope |
| 20:12.15 | *** join/#debian Zarla_21064A (~fmb@3ffe:bc0:1ce:0:a00:2bff:fe93:8b84) |
| 20:12.31 | JoePenguin | mwilson: that is to say, my system doesn't complain about needing me to stop and fsck when i shut down ungracefully |
| 20:12.31 | danieru | lws: package isn't available from your sources then .. simple |
| 20:12.34 | Painless | partymola: you dont ahve the /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file for me? |
| 20:12.38 | Painless | because that one is missing |
| 20:12.42 | lws | danieru: is it non-us or what? |
| 20:12.47 | lws | danieru: i'm using mirrors.kernel.org |
| 20:12.58 | partymola | Painless, you need /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:13.03 | *** join/#debian TimFreeman (~tim@fungible.com) |
| 20:13.08 | danieru | lws: what dist |
| 20:13.12 | lws | sarge |
| 20:13.19 | Painless | so why is telling the machine me that i need that file? |
| 20:13.25 | caphuso | haha, someone is asking in comp.unix.shell for a online unix simulator (like cygwin, the offline unix simulator), maybe implemented in java |
| 20:13.44 | *** part/#debian sgeigerbot (~user@h113.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net) |
| 20:13.58 | partymola | Painless, you can start X with "vesa" driver? |
| 20:14.07 | Painless | how to do that? |
| 20:14.11 | Painless | startx vesa or something? |
| 20:14.13 | danieru | lws: mmm I would have thought it'd be in there .. tried the ftp.debian.org sources? |
| 20:14.20 | partymola | Painless, are you sure you've installed X correctly? |
| 20:14.27 | Painless | yes |
| 20:14.28 | lws | no |
| 20:14.38 | dondelelcaro | caphuso, streuner: ? |
| 20:14.43 | partymola | Painless, then this file shouldn't be missing |
| 20:14.52 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 20:15.02 | zu22 | oh great 10 more hous for my dist-upgrade to finish and due to crappy connection my bandwidth fluctuates and sometime it cuts in half so it will likely take more than 10 hours :( |
| 20:15.09 | dondelelcaro | hrm. dpkg has forgotten its factoids again. |
| 20:15.11 | Painless | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:15.13 | Painless | ive done that |
| 20:15.21 | Painless | install kde |
| 20:15.22 | danieru | corrupt dinode 44179985, extent total = 1, nblocks = 0. Unmount and run xfs_repair. |
| 20:15.26 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 20:15.26 | danieru | WTF! |
| 20:15.27 | lws | danieru: i'll try that |
| 20:15.34 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 20:15.38 | dpkg | Since Mon Jan 5 20:15:21 2004, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 12s this session, and currently reference 22905 factoids. I'm using about 15012 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.02/0.17 child 0/0 |
| 20:15.43 | *** join/#debian somiaj (~jaimos@64.126.164.241) |
| 20:15.44 | *** join/#debian qid (~qid@m185-mp1.cvx1-c.pop.dial.ntli.net) |
| 20:15.44 | Matthew_I | my wine won't start, it just segfaults |
| 20:15.52 | chris`work | Sounds like normal wine operation to me |
| 20:15.54 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: factoids were missing before they seem back now heh |
| 20:16.03 | djw | oops forget an s |
| 20:16.18 | *** join/#debian jbailey_ (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) |
| 20:16.26 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: yay for you :) |
| 20:16.28 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it just says zero factoids when it looses the connection to the database. Unfortunatly, it's not intelligent enough to get the connection back... |
| 20:16.42 | *** part/#debian newbie_dk (~newbie@213.237.37.9.adsl.kj.tiscali.dk) |
| 20:16.43 | partymola | Painless, run xf86config to create config files |
| 20:17.06 | *** join/#debian Nicolo` (~nico@ppp-62-11-43-240.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 20:17.11 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:17.20 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah ic, do u know when packages.debian.org will be back up? |
| 20:17.20 | *** join/#debian _jle_ (~joseph@user-5937.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 20:17.22 | *** join/#debian RinzeWind (~chema@2001:800:40:260c:0:0:1127:2) |
| 20:17.30 | _jle_ | how do i set up ssl? |
| 20:17.46 | danieru | does anyone know of anyother XFS tool than then XFSprogs package? |
| 20:18.02 | *** join/#debian Soul-- (~czsoul@as3-1-1.lk.bonet.se) |
| 20:18.03 | *** join/#debian [Bas] (~darklord@tuxmachine.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:18.09 | dondelelcaro | zu22: see /topic. AFAIK, parts of it are being rewritten. I haven't been able to find more information about it myself. |
| 20:18.41 | *** join/#debian donloco_ (~donloco@pD95275B2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:18.47 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok, i hope they beef up security to prevent further compromises (they can run openbsd <jk!>) |
| 20:18.52 | Nicolo` | why do i get "sed: expression -e #1, character 50: Unknown `s' option"? |
| 20:19.18 | dondelelcaro | zu22: eh, openbsd is just as vulnerable to local root exploits... |
| 20:19.23 | danieru | #fs |
| 20:19.39 | Nicolo` | i entered: Ŧsed -ie 's/db_input high shared/default-x-display-manager/db_input high shared/default-x-display-manager || test $? -eq 30/' kdm.config |
| 20:19.39 | Nicolo` | ŧ |
| 20:19.48 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: so u think linux is audited pre-lease just as much/carefully as openbsd? |
| 20:19.58 | *** join/#debian Shorty- (shorty@shorty.trancelab.org) |
| 20:20.05 | dondelelcaro | zu22: the kernel? yes. userland? no. |
| 20:20.16 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 20:20.32 | lws | danieru: i'm still not finding abiword from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:20.57 | JoePenguin | Nicolo`: doesn't that last quote come too late? |
| 20:21.00 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (~thomas_ad@host217-42-203-182.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:21.05 | *** join/#debian Esaj (~jason@jdd30.joh.cam.ac.uk) |
| 20:21.06 | thomas_adam | Boo. |
| 20:21.16 | *** part/#debian jbailey_ (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) |
| 20:21.17 | Nicolo` | what do you mean JoePenguin? |
| 20:21.33 | *** join/#debian mark_F (~Mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 20:21.53 | JoePenguin | Nicolo`: is that test part supposed to be part of the sed expression? |
| 20:21.58 | Painless | partymola: how can i know my vertical sync? |
| 20:22.01 | Painless | what is normal? |
| 20:22.01 | *** join/#debian doomgaze (doomgaze@cycadm.nscl.msu.edu) |
| 20:22.02 | Nicolo` | btw, I was just typing what they told me to type here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224567 |
| 20:22.05 | *** join/#debian klose (~klose@modemcable009.145-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:22.10 | _jle_ | xvidtune |
| 20:22.15 | Nicolo` | i don't know, i'm just following instructions |
| 20:22.24 | lws | Anybody know a mirror that does have abiword? |
| 20:22.31 | lws | coudl you give me a sources line? |
| 20:22.36 | thomas_adam | Painless: Xvidtine |
| 20:22.37 | lws | i can't seem to find abiword or evolution etc. |
| 20:22.40 | dondelelcaro | lws: any official mirror has abiword. |
| 20:22.44 | JoePenguin | Nicolo`: also, for substitution, I know that s/../../ is valid syntax but i've never seen s/../../../.. |
| 20:22.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 20:22.51 | lws | dondelelcaro: Then what's going on with my system? |
| 20:22.51 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 20:22.53 | Painless | thomas_adam, what do u mean by that? |
| 20:22.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:22.57 | RelDrgn | fniclooking at googe, it looks like that error occurs when trying to fill in the variables in the makefile and means that it can't find something it needs on your system |
| 20:23.02 | dondelelcaro | lws: which version of debian are you running? |
| 20:23.03 | partymola | Painless, 60-85 should work safely |
| 20:23.04 | _jle_ | my gaim needs ssl configured how do i do that? |
| 20:23.07 | Painless | aight |
| 20:23.08 | lws | dondelelcaro: sarge |
| 20:23.11 | dondelelcaro | !info abiword testing |
| 20:23.19 | dondelelcaro | !info abiword unstable |
| 20:23.19 | dpkg | abiword: (WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.1+cvs.2003.11.07-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1775 kB, Installed size: 5104 kB |
| 20:23.20 | partymola | Painless, what type of screen do you have? |
| 20:23.24 | Esaj | what firewall should I use for kernel 2.6? |
| 20:23.28 | dondelelcaro | lws: it hasn't gotten into sarge yet. |
| 20:23.37 | Nicolo` | again, I was just typing what's written in that bug's patch |
| 20:23.41 | dondelelcaro | !why is abiword not in testing |
| 20:23.42 | dpkg | abiword is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=abiword |
| 20:24.02 | Painless | partymola, a packard bell ( Nec) |
| 20:24.08 | partymola | Painless, LCD? |
| 20:24.10 | Painless | no |
| 20:24.15 | partymola | Painless, 15" |
| 20:24.18 | lws | what about evolution |
| 20:24.20 | Painless | 19 |
| 20:24.33 | partymola | ok, then 60-85 should work |
| 20:24.38 | Esaj | will iptables work in 2.6.x? |
| 20:24.38 | plugwash | what exactly is bjorn.haxx.se ? |
| 20:24.39 | lws | !info evolution testing |
| 20:24.43 | Painless | and my video memory? |
| 20:24.44 | lws | !info evolution unstable |
| 20:24.47 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.4.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 9708 kB, Installed size: 28212 kB |
| 20:24.55 | partymola | Painless, 32 Mb :D |
| 20:25.00 | Painless | i have 64 |
| 20:25.01 | Painless | ;p |
| 20:25.02 | lws | argh |
| 20:25.08 | Painless | but is must be in K |
| 20:25.15 | lws | !why is evolution not in sarge |
| 20:25.15 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, lws |
| 20:25.16 | Painless | 256, 512 etc |
| 20:25.20 | lws | !why is evolution not in testing |
| 20:25.24 | dpkg | evolution is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=evolution |
| 20:25.24 | Nicolo` | !info kdm unstable |
| 20:25.26 | dpkg | kdm: (KDE Display Manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 276 kB, Installed size: 720 kB |
| 20:25.33 | *** join/#debian vasudeva (daemian@syr-24-59-34-231.twcny.rr.com) |
| 20:25.36 | partymola | Painless, 32768, nvidia driver only gets firts 32MB of video memory |
| 20:25.40 | thomas_adam | !why are most people morons |
| 20:25.44 | dpkg | thomas_adam: what are you talking about? |
| 20:25.48 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 20:26.02 | vasudeva | i'm looking for a good free web-based mailing list. any suggestions? |
| 20:26.19 | *** join/#debian Octane^^ (~Octane^_^@AMarseille-104-1-4-146.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:26.25 | Soul-- | anyone knows how to mount a disk image (saved with dd) with loopback? |
| 20:26.47 | dondelelcaro | Soul--: mount -o loop disk.iso mountpoint |
| 20:26.49 | thomas_adam | Soul--: mount -t loop -o loop=/dev/loop1 /some_dev.iso |
| 20:26.55 | thomas_adam | opps |
| 20:26.59 | thomas_adam | Soul--: mount -o loop=/dev/loop1 /some_dev.iso |
| 20:27.05 | Soul-- | dondelelcaro, thomas_adam: thank you ! :) |
| 20:27.08 | Painless | partymola: when startx; driver cant support 24 depth, screen found, but none have a usable configurartion |
| 20:27.12 | Painless | so do the config again |
| 20:27.14 | Painless | and fill in 16 bit? |
| 20:27.17 | *** join/#debian vorpal (~vorpal@rm135.Radiology.Arizona.EDU) |
| 20:27.18 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: you don't have to specify the loop device... [but it doesn't hurt.] |
| 20:27.19 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@pD9EAA4FA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:27.20 | *** join/#debian Sputnikc (guust@D5E0CCC6.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 20:27.32 | partymola | Painless, edit manually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:27.34 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I knew that, but as it wouldn't hurt.... |
| 20:27.35 | Painless | aight |
| 20:27.59 | partymola | Painless, what? |
| 20:28.06 | Esaj | is there a patch for 2.6 for the mremap hole? |
| 20:28.08 | Painless | aight = allright |
| 20:28.09 | *** join/#debian Jonzl (~bla@dfn236001.extern.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 20:28.15 | partymola | Painless, ok :D |
| 20:28.23 | *** join/#debian xavier_ (~xavier@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) |
| 20:28.34 | *** join/#debian lopox2 (~luca@host30-10.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:28.38 | partymola | Painless, I've 30% battery left :D |
| 20:28.58 | TimFreeman | vasudeva: mailman works. I use it, and there is a Debian package. I think I'm using the testing version. |
| 20:29.20 | *** join/#debian Zenox (~anon@h254n1fls34o258.telia.com) |
| 20:29.25 | Painless | laptop? |
| 20:29.45 | partymola | Painless, yes |
| 20:29.48 | *** part/#debian TimFreeman (~tim@fungible.com) |
| 20:29.49 | *** join/#debian unmada (~unmada@201.128.106.65) |
| 20:29.56 | streuner | dondelelcaro: is 'why is abiword not in testing' a factoid? |
| 20:30.06 | dondelelcaro | streuner: no, its a command. |
| 20:30.28 | streuner | dondelelcaro: i don't see in /msg dpkg help? |
| 20:30.31 | dondelelcaro | streuner: the page that it sends you to is the user-friendly testing status packages... |
| 20:31.06 | Painless | A new error partymola: Fatal screen error: AddScreen/ScreenIni failed for driver 0 |
| 20:31.07 | *** join/#debian zhengyi (~zhengyi@66.159.225.106) |
| 20:31.09 | Zenox | Is it possible to setup an FTP server on the internal net containing the mounted Debian CD1 as files. And then to use it as FTP server instead of external ones (hope the question was pretty clear atleast, not that good at english)? |
| 20:31.09 | dondelelcaro | streuner: well, its a factoid, but a CMD: factoid... it's CMD: why \is (.*?) not in testing is ($1)<reply> yada yada. |
| 20:31.36 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:31.54 | dondelelcaro | Zenox: yes. just mount different ftpds to the internal and external interfaces. [or use one that can distinquish based on the interface.] |
| 20:31.55 | *** join/#debian grew (wildermj@kangaroo.domainit.com) |
| 20:32.24 | *** join/#debian |82nd|HeXeM (~hexem@user-7544.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 20:32.33 | The_Vulture | dondelelcaro: I think he means he wants to put the CDs on an FTP and use it as a debian mirror or something |
| 20:32.43 | Justin_ | Zenox: ln -s /cdrom /var/www/debian |
| 20:32.45 | The_Vulture | not that he wants to have two separate ftpds, one internally and one externally |
| 20:32.47 | Justin_ | Zenox: done |
| 20:33.03 | Zenox | The_Vulture: yes exactly. Just for internal use for a group of machines. |
| 20:33.11 | The_Vulture | what Justin_ said |
| 20:33.18 | *** join/#debian somiaj_ (~jaimos@64.126.164.241) |
| 20:33.20 | partymola | Painless, try to view NVidia Linux Forums, I've no battery left |
| 20:33.25 | partymola | sorry, Painless |
| 20:33.28 | Zenox | Justin_: ah thanks alot guys :) |
| 20:33.30 | Painless | aight, thank u for al ur helpo |
| 20:33.31 | Painless | :) |
| 20:33.33 | zu22 | is there a gnupg plugin for evolution? |
| 20:33.39 | partymola | Painless, but I think X are well |
| 20:33.45 | *** join/#debian machoney (~imed028@xv117.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:33.48 | partymola | Painless, it's only a nvidia config problem |
| 20:33.57 | Painless | allright |
| 20:34.01 | partymola | Painless, try harder on it :D |
| 20:34.12 | Painless | ill smash on that damn computer |
| 20:34.19 | partymola | ha ha |
| 20:34.25 | *** join/#debian tcS (tcS@xdsl-213-168-105-61.netcologne.de) |
| 20:34.35 | zu22 | or is there an X/gnome program to encode/decode email with gnupg? |
| 20:34.38 | tcS | hello folks |
| 20:34.53 | revenger_ | hmm when I try to remove a self baken debian package it doesn't show up how much space will get freed ... any idea what's wrong? |
| 20:35.12 | zu22 | also is there a GUI keyring program for gnupg? |
| 20:35.23 | machoney | HI. Where can I find my config file generated when I was making new kernel config |
| 20:35.25 | bob2 | zu22: muttt is far better, but I hear recent evolution isn't too bad. |
| 20:35.27 | Matthew_I | does any one have a pocket pc working with the 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 20:35.35 | *** join/#debian michal (~michal@ellandroad.demon.co.uk) |
| 20:35.36 | bob2 | zu22: lots. apt-cache search gpg |
| 20:35.39 | zu22 | bob2: ok |
| 20:35.44 | bob2 | machoney: .config |
| 20:35.45 | *** join/#debian ferrett (ferrett@62-43-50-46.user.ono.com) |
| 20:36.08 | bob2 | caphuso: coywolf is using my name as an endorsement for his OFTC NetOp application. |
| 20:36.12 | machoney | bob2 : Sure. Sorry I was looking under MC |
| 20:36.14 | tcS | hi, i have problems with apt-get not upgrading packages, even though apt-cache show pkg shows correct package, any ideas? |
| 20:36.31 | michal | where can i find unofficial (up-to-date) iso images of sarge? google spits a lot, but they're all old. and i don't know how to use jigdo |
| 20:36.32 | zu22 | bob2: thx, i was gonna use mutt but wasn't sure how to setup to send local mail only when i have no ppp connection and to send outside mail when i have ppp up, any ideas? |
| 20:36.40 | *** join/#debian amblin (~youwish@cosmo.itlab.musc.edu) |
| 20:36.43 | bob2 | tcS: are you aware of the differeence between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 20:36.47 | machoney | exit |
| 20:36.51 | *** part/#debian Zenox (~anon@h254n1fls34o258.telia.com) |
| 20:36.53 | tcS | bob2: yes |
| 20:37.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 699] by debhelper |
| 20:37.03 | zu22 | bob2: ideally outside mail would go in a queue if no ppp connection and automatically be sent once i go online |
| 20:37.04 | tcS | bob2: apt-get -y dist-upgrade won't upgrade packages |
| 20:37.11 | bob2 | zu22: tell it to use a local MTA like exim or postfix. when ppp comes up, they'll send off all your queued mail. |
| 20:37.21 | bob2 | tcS: but -u shows there are packages to upgrade. |
| 20:37.22 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:37.33 | bob2 | michal: you really, truly need isos of sarge? |
| 20:37.48 | zu22 | bob2: wow it's that simple? heh i thought there was more to the setup/config than that |
| 20:38.10 | michal | bob2: really truly and desperately |
| 20:38.13 | bob2 | zu22: no, both will take less than five minutes to do. |
| 20:38.24 | bob2 | michal: /j #debian-boot |
| 20:38.38 | tcS | bob2: i have a local repository generated with dpkg-scanpackages. after fetching lists with apt-get update, apt-cache show shows new packages, but apt-get dist-upgrade says there's nothing to be upgraded. apt-get install pkg=avail-version says there's no such version. |
| 20:38.43 | somiaj_ | michal: have you tried any of the links off of debian.org for such things. |
| 20:38.53 | zu22 | bob2: cool, do i need any other packages besides exim for this ? |
| 20:39.02 | bob2 | zu22: no. |
| 20:39.15 | tcS | bob2: removing /var/cache/apt/*pkgcache.bin fixes this, hmmmm. |
| 20:39.16 | zu22 | alright thx |
| 20:39.33 | bob2 | tcS: paste the output of "apt-cache policy package_you_think_should_be_upgraded" to #flood |
| 20:39.44 | *** join/#debian vojko (~vojko@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 20:39.48 | *** join/#debian nailzy (~nailzy@van58-9-230-122.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 20:40.44 | tcS | i don't have access to this machine currently. apt-cache policy pkg doesn't display new version |
| 20:40.49 | *** join/#debian ^^MAg^^ (mag@magus.entropy.be) |
| 20:41.26 | bob2 | tcS: then apt doesn't know about the new version, at all. did you "apt-get update"? |
| 20:42.08 | *** join/#debian ToTo (~knoppix@host148-61.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:42.21 | ToTo | hi all |
| 20:42.35 | tcS | yes, are there any differences between databases used by apt-get and apt-cache? apt-cache show package shows new available package, apt-cache policy pkg doesn't though |
| 20:42.49 | ToTo | someone use partimage? |
| 20:43.09 | bob2 | that's fucked up and should never happen. |
| 20:43.34 | *** join/#debian Ra1stlin (~raistlin@pD9EA083D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:43.35 | *** join/#debian wilsonic (wilsonic@ragnarok.library.orst.edu) |
| 20:43.54 | tcS | bob2: waht could be the reason? manually removing *pkgcache.bin fixes this, but i cannot remove the cache each time ... |
| 20:44.15 | bob2 | have you apt-get update'd? |
| 20:44.25 | bob2 | are you using apt from experimental? |
| 20:44.39 | *** join/#debian XaMaD (~madmax@dyn-213-36-7-236.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 20:44.48 | *** join/#debian Jacobo221 (~Jacobo@80.224.221.80) |
| 20:44.53 | tcS | bob2: apt 0.6.4 iirc |
| 20:44.59 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
| 20:45.11 | bob2 | duh |
| 20:45.14 | bob2 | upgrade |
| 20:45.19 | bob2 | !info apt experimental |
| 20:45.21 | bob2 | !info apt sid |
| 20:45.23 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.20 (sid), Packaged size: 824 kB, Installed size: 2472 kB |
| 20:45.27 | | dpkg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:45.27 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.14 (experimental), Packaged size: 861 kB, Installed size: 2576 kB |
| 20:45.29 | | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
| 20:45.54 | Nurbs | lol |
| 20:45.57 | bob2 | tcS: don't use experimental if you don't read debian-devel. earley 0.6 releases of apt were buggy as shit. |
| 20:46.10 | *** part/#debian wilsonic (wilsonic@ragnarok.library.orst.edu) |
| 20:46.13 | *** join/#debian sajlo (milo@ns.mudrc.net) |
| 20:46.34 | *** join/#debian maerz (~maerz@host161-35.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:46.59 | tcS | bob2: uuuh, well then, 0.5.2? |
| 20:47.04 | *** part/#debian jack|w (~jack@128.193.0.29) |
| 20:47.15 | bob2 | tcS: or the latest from experimental. |
| 20:47.43 | bob2 | tcS: the apt maintainer basically said "do not file bugs on apt 0.6 until you read the entire thread on debian-devel AND upgrade to the latest version" |
| 20:47.44 | hippie | tcS: 0.5.20 != 0.5.2, just as 0.6.14 > 0.6.4 |
| 20:48.06 | *** join/#debian Brakki (~kimo@pcp03682409pcs.newhvn01.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:48.28 | *** join/#debian MisterP (~jalopywei@ip68-102-11-55.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 20:48.38 | *** part/#debian dedikerad (~dedikerad@as17-6-1.ka.g.bonet.se) |
| 20:49.17 | *** part/#debian oneifreak (~superuser@64.56.132.143) |
| 20:49.22 | *** part/#debian vasudeva (daemian@syr-24-59-34-231.twcny.rr.com) |
| 20:49.23 | tcS | bob2: duh, i didn't setup these systems. i have a dependancy package with appropriate Conflict/Depends fields, can i force an unattended downgrade of apt to 0.5.2? |
| 20:49.28 | *** join/#debian CASP6 (andrius@81.7.65.66) |
| 20:49.47 | thomas_adam | tcS: put the package on hold.... |
| 20:50.01 | bob2 | tcS: not without pinning. 0.6.14 should work, however. |
| 20:50.15 | bob2 | tcS: 0.6.4 is just a really buggy version. LART whoever set the machine up. |
| 20:50.27 | *** join/#debian Snowmann (~roy@217.165.81.158) |
| 20:50.46 | tcS | bob2: dammit, >500 machines, hehehe ... |
| 20:51.04 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 20:51.15 | bob2 | you have got to be kidding. |
| 20:51.19 | revenger_ | anyone here who knows how to create debian packages? |
| 20:51.21 | *** join/#debian Sully (~Sully@modem-3099.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 20:51.28 | bob2 | screw LARTing them, beat them around the head with a lead pipe. |
| 20:51.34 | bob2 | revenger_: lots of people. are you taking a survey? |
| 20:51.34 | *** join/#debian CASP6 (andrius@2001:618:9:400:2e0:7dff:fe78:4c02) |
| 20:51.39 | *** join/#debian alem (~alem@cmung3163.cmu.carnet.hr) |
| 20:51.42 | *** join/#debian khirano (~wx2k-hrn@o149021.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 20:51.49 | Snowmann | Morning all - I need help with an avance ac97 sound card which I can't get to work at all - I'm a tad confused with this whole ALSA thing - Anyone know any good howto's? |
| 20:51.51 | tcS | bob2: no, the machines are terminals in stores, you know where customers can scan eans and such stuff ... |
| 20:51.52 | revenger_ | bob2: well you would be the only one since I got no answer a few minutes ago :P |
| 20:52.22 | tcS | bob2: thx for help, i'll give it a try tomorrow |
| 20:52.26 | revenger_ | bob2: the problem is when I try to remove my package using apt-get remove it doesn't show up how much space will get freed .. |
| 20:52.38 | bob2 | revenger_: probably because answering every "does anyone know about $FOO?" question gets too annoying to bother with. something like "how do I create a shlibs file?" or something will get a much quicker response. |
| 20:52.40 | alem | when i do make modules_install , it sais unresolved symbols in some files |
| 20:52.40 | revenger_ | it always shows up 0B |
| 20:52.44 | bob2 | revenger_: oh, that. |
| 20:52.58 | *** join/#debian schlumpf2 (~vx_schlum@dsl-082-082-067-068.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:53.15 | revenger_ | bob2: yep that |
| 20:53.31 | bob2 | tcS: this is apt from EXPERIMENTAL. whoever thought it was clever to use EXPERIMENTAL packages on 500 mission-critical systems needs a smack upside the head. using anything aside from stable is silly and will bite you and them in the ass. |
| 20:53.39 | *** join/#debian thebug (~rblair@24-56-209-063.mdmmi.voyager.net) |
| 20:53.58 | bob2 | revenger_: dpkg -l package_you_made | tail -n1 |
| 20:54.27 | *** join/#debian err0rr (err0rr@adsl-61-149-187.rdu.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:54.41 | *** join/#debian fp (fp@callisto.localaccess.com) |
| 20:54.42 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:55.35 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@157.182.195.88) |
| 20:56.13 | bob2 | spam to postmaster@ |
| 20:56.15 | bob2 | a new low |
| 20:56.49 | revenger_ | bob2: it shows up that it is installed.. |
| 20:56.59 | bob2 | revenger_: ii? |
| 20:57.06 | revenger_ | bob2: yes |
| 20:57.38 | bob2 | revenger_: does "apt-cache show package | grep ^Installed-Size:" give a reasonable value? |
| 20:58.00 | tcS | bob2: yes, these are so called it professionals, i think ... ;-) |
| 20:58.00 | plugwash | tcs do you have a system for running s script on all the machines |
| 20:58.04 | *** join/#debian kreg2 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 20:58.10 | plugwash | if so you could use that to do the downgrades |
| 20:58.13 | revenger_ | bob2: nope that's missing |
| 20:58.14 | bob2 | dsh! |
| 20:58.17 | *** join/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 20:58.31 | bob2 | revenger_: uh, are you sure it's properly installed? |
| 20:58.41 | *** join/#debian clinfix (~asma@62.29.52.110) |
| 20:58.42 | revenger_ | bob2: do I need to add that line in the control file? |
| 20:58.44 | revenger_ | bob2: yes |
| 20:58.53 | *** part/#debian Matthew_I (~matthew@c-24-98-16-85.atl.client2.attbi.com) |
| 20:58.54 | bob2 | revenger_: no, it's generated for you. |
| 20:59.06 | greycat | ~tell ralf about root |
| 20:59.09 | tcS | plugwash: yep, i've setup some script to go thru all the machines via ssh, this will hopefully fix the probs |
| 20:59.23 | *** join/#debian jf (jf@sdsl-131.apk.net) |
| 21:00.05 | *** part/#debian Snowmann (~roy@217.165.81.158) |
| 21:00.30 | *** join/#debian offby1` (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 21:00.52 | *** join/#debian neqm (~neqm@213.13.240.66) |
| 21:01.05 | bob2 | revenger_: I have no idea how that could happen, sorry. does /var/lib/dpkg/status show an Installed-Size for it? |
| 21:01.06 | *** join/#debian marinos_ (~marinos@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 21:01.32 | revenger_ | bob2: nope |
| 21:01.38 | revenger_ | bob2: it shows up install ok installed |
| 21:01.47 | revenger_ | just that installed-size line is missing |
| 21:02.01 | *** join/#debian paladin_ (paladin@p50853389.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:02.17 | *** join/#debian n057r4zk3 (~n1csta@pD9E30156.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:03.06 | *** join/#debian Material (~Mick@cpc4-stoc3-6-0-cust16.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:03.24 | bob2 | revenger_: biazarre, I'm out of ideas. |
| 21:03.37 | *** join/#debian Nitrocld (peadens@user178.net479.nc.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 21:03.50 | *** join/#debian GoE (~gspr@71.80-202-101.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:04.42 | revenger_ | thanks anyway ..hmm |
| 21:04.46 | *** join/#debian kingsley (~kingsley@pm3-d00.nas.com) |
| 21:05.04 | *** join/#debian Master822 (~Debian@pD95596B1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:05.26 | bob2 | bah! |
| 21:05.33 | bob2 | spam is being sent to my MESSAGE ID's. |
| 21:05.36 | bob2 | fuckers. |
| 21:05.56 | RinzeWind | bob2: Happens a lot in Usenet |
| 21:05.57 | LoRez | bob2: yeah, I'm getting a bunch of those lately too |
| 21:06.03 | *** join/#debian PepeRene (~rd@238.169-4-62.powered-by.skynet.be) |
| 21:06.50 | *** part/#debian jf (jf@sdsl-131.apk.net) |
| 21:07.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 707] by debhelper |
| 21:08.11 | elephantman | What is the regular way to test my Adsl bandwidth ? |
| 21:08.13 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 21:08.38 | Material | download a file and see how fast you get it? |
| 21:08.47 | tcS | elephantman: there's no one, use iptraf, netmon, whatever you like |
| 21:09.24 | tcS | elephantman: transfer a file to/from somebody with bandwith overhead and watch the bytes ;-) |
| 21:09.49 | elephantman | tcS: ok thanx a lot |
| 21:09.55 | bob2 | elephantman: bing! |
| 21:10.15 | elephantman | bob2: que passo |
| 21:10.58 | *** join/#debian aarkerio (~manuel@132.248.107.46) |
| 21:11.05 | *** join/#debian heisenbug (~birger@ti211310a080-1245.bb.online.no) |
| 21:11.06 | *** join/#debian beta3 (dan@beta3.registered.freenode) |
| 21:11.08 | somiaj_ | elephantman: there are some webpages that will test your banwidth out there as well you could use google to find. |
| 21:11.22 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 21:11.27 | *** join/#debian _xxenon (xxenon@131.211.230.64) |
| 21:11.29 | beta3 | they found another root exploit? |
| 21:11.33 | heisenbug | What should I do to get Python syntax higlighting in emacs? |
| 21:11.46 | *** join/#debian awallace (~aw@adsl-66-136-218-177.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 21:11.57 | somiaj_ | beta3: yup, though the link provided doesn't give link to a patch for it. |
| 21:12.05 | elephantman | somiaj_: ok good idea thanx |
| 21:12.19 | *** join/#debian mati (1000@80-235-42-216-dsl.mus.estpak.ee) |
| 21:12.21 | offby1` | heisenbug: make sure you have python-mode.el loaded, then `(require 'python-mode)'. |
| 21:12.21 | Firehand | how do i update my aliases when i've edited my /etc/aliases? |
| 21:12.27 | somiaj_ | elephantman: just rember you may just be testing the banwidth you have to that server and not over all banwidth. |
| 21:12.29 | bob2 | beta3: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt |
| 21:12.32 | *** join/#debian Severian_ (~stuartr@209.189.244.93) |
| 21:12.33 | bob2 | Firehand: which MTA? |
| 21:12.35 | *** part/#debian aarkerio (~manuel@132.248.107.46) |
| 21:12.39 | Firehand | bob2: postfix |
| 21:12.41 | beta3 | somiaj_: if 2.4.24 has it patched in, then it must have been backported from 2.6 |
| 21:12.41 | mati | hey |
| 21:12.56 | heisenbug | offby1: OK, thanks :) |
| 21:12.57 | bob2 | Firehand: postalias /etc/aliases |
| 21:12.58 | offby1` | heisenbug: debian package is `python-elisp' |
| 21:13.01 | elephantman | somiaj_: true |
| 21:13.03 | beta3 | somiaj_: most of the security holes are found in major development and are often backported |
| 21:13.05 | Firehand | tnx bob2 |
| 21:13.06 | beta3 | the patches |
| 21:13.19 | heisenbug | offby1: thanks again |
| 21:13.39 | somiaj_ | beta3: but it says its also in 2.6 as well, and I couldn't tell from that annoucment if it is all of 2.6 or if 2.6.0 is safe. |
| 21:13.39 | LTFS | mmm... backport |
| 21:13.48 | *** join/#debian nox- (nox@p508671D0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:14.07 | *** join/#debian Sebulba02 (~Sebulba02@dialup-67.31.192.208.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net) |
| 21:14.16 | *** join/#debian Ireul (~Ireul@host76-45.pool80181.interbusiness.it) |
| 21:14.21 | beta3 | somiaj_: if your using a/was an experimental/beta kernel, you learn to always recompile your kernel daily with the latest fixes |
| 21:14.40 | beta3 | somiaj_: ten to one that its patched in 2.6.1-rc1-mm1 |
| 21:14.47 | mati | I am going to try to install debian from knoppix, and i need to download debootstrap, in the installation manual there is a link where to download it from: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap, this doesnt work, so i cannot install debian at all, can anyone help me |
| 21:15.29 | debiantux99 | :quit |
| 21:15.31 | mati | installing debian from another distro is my only possibility to install, cause i have other problems |
| 21:15.37 | *** join/#debian bztunk (~bztunk@modemcable138.53-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 21:15.49 | *** join/#debian spenerc (~spenerc@N552P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:15.54 | beta3 | somiaj_: looks like -mm2 was released today, I gotta recompile |
| 21:16.21 | somiaj_ | beta3: what is in the -mm patches? |
| 21:16.44 | *** join/#debian _Hugo_ (~fmartens@mars.shuis.tudelft.nl) |
| 21:16.46 | LTFS | k |
| 21:16.54 | *** join/#debian jmitchell1 (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 21:17.04 | beta3 | somiaj_: latest fixes that will be merged into the next release of the kernel, often the experimental features Andrew Morton wants to test |
| 21:17.14 | LTFS | k |
| 21:17.17 | mati | 695 people and noone knows |
| 21:17.28 | beta3 | alot of bug fixes are there before he merges them with the tree |
| 21:17.35 | Justin_ | mati: www.google.com |
| 21:17.47 | mati | erg |
| 21:17.50 | _Hugo_ | when will we see an updated debian kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 package? |
| 21:17.53 | mati | i searched alrady like 10 times |
| 21:17.54 | beta3 | bob2: Im going to setup my own bind server, should i use bind8 or 9 |
| 21:17.55 | mati | :( |
| 21:18.03 | mati | cant find anything |
| 21:18.18 | _Hugo_ | beta3 : i'm using 9, works great |
| 21:18.19 | Justin_ | mati: sure you did |
| 21:18.20 | LTFS | skill |
| 21:18.21 | somiaj_ | beta3: ahhh ha...(: |
| 21:18.25 | mati | Justin_ i did |
| 21:18.30 | mati | i still have it open |
| 21:18.30 | Soul-- | has anyone here converted from Mirabilis ICQ (windows) to licq or GAIM? Do you know of any way to transfer message history? |
| 21:18.35 | rulesnut | configure: error: GLIB is required to build irssi. ???? anyone? |
| 21:18.45 | Justin_ | rulesnut: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 21:19.00 | *** join/#debian wake (~wake@HSE-Montreal-ppp32446.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 21:19.11 | *** join/#debian Nicolo` (~nico@ppp-62-11-43-240.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 21:19.17 | mati | Justin_ where could i find the .deb package |
| 21:19.19 | *** join/#debian nowx (~nowx@suedu1-233-92.utaonline.at) |
| 21:19.23 | Justin_ | mati: google |
| 21:19.26 | mati | i cant find it |
| 21:19.34 | beta3 | _Hugo_: I think Im going to do ldapdns |
| 21:19.34 | mati | thats why i came here in the first place |
| 21:19.40 | somiaj_ | rulesnut: do you have libc6-dev installed (though listen to Justin_ for if you can't figure that out you probably shouldn't be compiling things) |
| 21:19.46 | mati | ah you suck |
| 21:19.57 | Justin_ | mati: ah, you're a lying sack of shit |
| 21:20.12 | bob2 | beta3: 9 |
| 21:20.18 | mwilson | rulesnut: Why shouldn't glib be required to build irssi? |
| 21:20.21 | tcS | bye folks |
| 21:20.27 | beta3 | bob2: what do you use to ldap dns |
| 21:20.29 | *** part/#debian tcS (tcS@xdsl-213-168-105-61.netcologne.de) |
| 21:20.29 | *** join/#debian af_ (af@ip046-35-1.adsl.edisontel.com) |
| 21:20.40 | tarzeau | let's play some #trivia ? |
| 21:20.43 | bob2 | beta3: I'm not. it's just static, hand-edited zone files atm./ |
| 21:20.46 | *** join/#debian pixelmonkey (~pixelmonk@ool-18b82c95.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:21.02 | beta3 | bob2: ok, looks like Im going to use ldap2dns with bind |
| 21:21.22 | *** join/#debian noda (~noda@modemcable013.119-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 21:21.30 | *** join/#debian kreg1 (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 21:21.32 | pixelmonkey | I just installed experimental X packages (4.3pre1v5)... I'm just wondering, is there any definitive list of packages that makes up the experimental X 4.3 release? |
| 21:21.39 | rulesnut | yes, I believe I have libc6 installed |
| 21:21.40 | tarzeau | helix: play some trivia with me? |
| 21:21.41 | PepeRene | What is wrong in my lilo.conf? Next to my working KnoppixDebian on /dev/sdb1 I needed and restored from tape my old RedHat5.0 on /dev/sda1. But the rattling hard disk hangs on black screen... |
| 21:21.41 | *** join/#debian felixdz (~pjharper@62.234.103.129) |
| 21:21.45 | noda | What's the preferred way to remove the X server's -10 nice value? |
| 21:21.52 | tarzeau | bob2, dondelelcaro ? #trivia |
| 21:21.52 | pixelmonkey | I installed xserver-xfree86, -common, xlibs, but is there any definitive list? |
| 21:22.00 | Justin_ | noda: grep nice /etc/X11/* |
| 21:22.01 | noda | ...and how much of a difference will that make on linux 2.6? :) |
| 21:22.02 | _Hugo_ | noda: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:22.06 | *** join/#debian bytewalker (~bytewalke@198.53.101.10) |
| 21:22.10 | noda | _Hugo_: Thanks :) |
| 21:22.10 | _Hugo_ | noda: no idea :) |
| 21:22.12 | bob2 | tarzeau: worktime, maybe later. |
| 21:22.26 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: x-window-system-core |
| 21:22.37 | mwilson | noda: What does the 2.6 CHANGES file say? Oh, of course, you'd never have read that. |
| 21:22.37 | noda | Well then. Time to leave and come back :) |
| 21:22.40 | rulesnut | I have a bunch of them in /usr/lib/ |
| 21:22.41 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: but really, why are you desperate fopr the 4.3 version of xlibs? |
| 21:22.42 | pixelmonkey | bob2: oh is that a pseudopackage for it? |
| 21:22.49 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: meta-, yes. |
| 21:23.01 | bob2 | rulesnut: just install the .deb |
| 21:23.04 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 21:23.11 | pixelmonkey | bob2: because I'm already running 4.3 pre1v1 from Libranet, and totem doesn't work with it |
| 21:23.14 | bob2 | rulesnut: you need a lot more than a .so.2.3.1 in /lib/ for it to work. |
| 21:23.21 | pixelmonkey | bob2: totem developers told me to upgrade to experimental xlibs |
| 21:23.39 | noda | mwilson: No, I wouldn't... where do you find that file? |
| 21:23.46 | rulesnut | /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3.0 |
| 21:23.46 | beta3 | bob2: arg, ldap2dns wants bind8, Im sure its compatible with bind9, stupid maintainer |
| 21:23.49 | noda | mwilson: 'cuz it's not in the kernel tree :) |
| 21:23.55 | plugwash | before compileing anything on a debian system make sure you have build-essential installed |
| 21:23.59 | mwilson | Except that it is, of course; |
| 21:24.00 | plugwash | oops |
| 21:24.03 | *** join/#debian hallux (~hallux@64.39.1.12) |
| 21:24.07 | plugwash | i was scrolled up |
| 21:24.09 | bob2 | rulesnut: that doesn't help. install the .deb |
| 21:24.11 | mwilson | I really don't know why I bother. |
| 21:24.14 | *** join/#debian psydal (psydal@010.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) |
| 21:24.28 | *** part/#debian psydal (psydal@010.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) |
| 21:24.29 | *** join/#debian pngwn (pngwn@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:8000:0:cda7:6106) |
| 21:24.32 | bob2 | beta3: bind9 has a much stricter zone file syntax. pdns can read directly from LDAP, if you prefer. |
| 21:24.48 | rulesnut | package name? |
| 21:24.53 | beta3 | bob2: pdns another dns server? |
| 21:25.02 | bob2 | beta3: yes |
| 21:25.07 | bob2 | rulesnut: irssi-text, as Justin_ said |
| 21:25.08 | noda | mwilson: In Linux 2.6.1rc1, there are 4 CHANGES files: three are for filesystems, and one's for the m68k architecture. |
| 21:25.22 | beta3 | bob2: is that really better, I liked bind |
| 21:25.24 | _Hugo_ | anybody any idea when will we see an updated debian kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 package? |
| 21:25.25 | bob2 | noda: no, the one in root of the tree. |
| 21:25.34 | noda | Nope. There's a 'Changes' inside Documentation... |
| 21:25.34 | bob2 | _Hugo_: today, I would wager. |
| 21:25.46 | *** join/#debian pixelmonkey (~pixelmonk@ool-18b82c95.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:25.54 | noda | ...which says nothing about the X server. |
| 21:26.00 | _Hugo_ | the 'others' already have fixes out, it used to be the other way around :) |
| 21:26.09 | beta3 | bob2: doesn't really matter, but my own dns is nice :) |
| 21:26.19 | Justin_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 1046 1046 13367 Dec 17 21:59 linux-2.6.0/Documentation/Changes |
| 21:26.23 | Justin_ | suuuure there isn't |
| 21:26.33 | noda | Justin_: Continue reading what I wrote... |
| 21:26.46 | Justin_ | ~tell noda about 2.6 |
| 21:26.48 | bob2 | that one then |
| 21:26.48 | Justin_ | whine whine whine |
| 21:26.52 | tam | anyone know if i need to use the nvidia drivers to get X working in kernel 2.6? |
| 21:27.06 | noda | Whatever. I've solved my problem, but I just want to annoy mwilson :) |
| 21:27.19 | eeyore- | sgeiger: still there? |
| 21:27.34 | noda | tam: minion.de has the answers. I only used the 4490 version, but it's working fine. |
| 21:27.36 | bob2 | tam: no, you don't. |
| 21:27.38 | *** part/#debian ralf (~root@gmobout.net.vodafone.it) |
| 21:27.42 | noda | tam: Minion.de has a special link just for Debian :) |
| 21:27.44 | _Hugo_ | bob2: 'today' heavily depends on the time zone you're in btw |
| 21:27.46 | *** join/#debian cinix (~matt@68.233.75.94) |
| 21:27.46 | *** join/#debian yo_linux (~michael@202.136.96.204) |
| 21:27.53 | revenger_ | bob2: I have to add it by myself.. |
| 21:27.55 | bob2 | _Hugo_: of course. in the next ~16 hours, for me. |
| 21:28.03 | bob2 | revenger_: no you don't. not if you're using debhelper, anyway |
| 21:28.05 | mwilson | Justin_: You have to understand... it's very important for the clueless to use 2.6, so that they can impress the other cluebies with their 'l33tness. |
| 21:28.17 | revenger_ | bob2: I only used dpkg -b directory |
| 21:28.18 | tam | noda: yeah i seen that. i don't really wanna go about recompiling kernel just to get gfx workingg :( |
| 21:28.23 | _Hugo_ | bob2: ~ 1,5 hours left here |
| 21:28.27 | noda | tam: You don't have to. |
| 21:28.29 | tizz | are there any possibilities to mount images (not isoz, maybe bin/img?) ?? |
| 21:28.30 | bob2 | revenger_: you're making a debhelperless apckage? |
| 21:28.36 | noda | tam: Read it again :) |
| 21:28.39 | bob2 | tizz: no |
| 21:28.40 | revenger_ | bob2: made yes |
| 21:28.51 | bob2 | tizz: tell your warez buddies to give you a .iso |
| 21:28.55 | bob2 | revenger_: oh, hardcore ;) |
| 21:28.56 | daxal | yea, I'm not using 2.6. why bother? I mean, when 2.4 came out, it had all sorts of nastyness until 2.4.20 came about (minus the dobrk issue) |
| 21:29.11 | tam | noda: OK i will. thanks |
| 21:29.13 | noda | Well, *somebody*'s gotta use 2.6, right? Otherwise bugs will never be found and it'll never be fixed! |
| 21:29.18 | tizz | bob2: really no possibility? also no way to convert the images to izo? |
| 21:29.18 | daxal | virtual memory issue, ide starvation |
| 21:29.19 | *** join/#debian damajha (damajha@ohmh01m01-48.bctel.ca) |
| 21:29.27 | *** join/#debian colonel_blood (~root@as26-5-8.va.g.bonet.se) |
| 21:29.40 | *** part/#debian colonel_blood (~root@as26-5-8.va.g.bonet.se) |
| 21:29.41 | mwilson | tizz: No one here cares about your warez. |
| 21:29.46 | bob2 | tizz: stop saying "isoz", it makes you sound like you're a 13 year old skr1pt kidde. |
| 21:29.47 | revenger_ | bob2: well actually it's easy .. there's just too much documentation out there which is all over confusing .. just for nothing .. |
| 21:30.06 | bob2 | revenger_: well, not many people make packages like that anymore. |
| 21:30.08 | mwilson | bob2: He more than likely IS one. |
| 21:30.20 | tizz | ok, so izo's maybe? doesn't make the situation much better |
| 21:30.32 | bob2 | tizz: ffs |
| 21:30.33 | mwilson | Good lord. |
| 21:30.34 | *** join/#debian nowx_ (~nowx@suedu1-233-92.utaonline.at) |
| 21:30.35 | bob2 | tizz: ISO. |
| 21:30.40 | bob2 | tizz: bchunk - A CD image format converter from bin/cue to iso/cdr/wav |
| 21:30.46 | noda | tizz: It's an ISO :) |
| 21:30.54 | unixfool` | noda: don't mind mwilson, he's just like that :) |
| 21:30.57 | tizz | ok, but what is the plural of iso? |
| 21:31.00 | noda | unixfool`: Oh, I'm well aware. |
| 21:31.03 | noda | tizz: ISOs |
| 21:31.04 | revenger_ | bob2: it's not hard... and the scripts are very important for my packages.. though going to try it with debhelper now :) |
| 21:31.07 | noda | or ISO's |
| 21:31.15 | dondelelcaro | noda: no apostrophe. |
| 21:31.29 | daxal | tizz is http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ your search engine? |
| 21:31.30 | bob2 | revenger_: hah, sure. you'll be all set for T&S, but the sound of things :) |
| 21:31.35 | dondelelcaro | noda: ISOs is plural. ISO's is possessive. |
| 21:31.38 | *** join/#debian OIZee (~brian@0x3e428137.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 21:31.40 | bob2 | daxal: haha. |
| 21:31.47 | noda | dondelelcaro: In the Linux world, no, but in the world of English, the apostrophe is manditory after any abbreviation (including acronyms). |
| 21:32.07 | Nurbs | but it's his ISOs, so it's possessive. |
| 21:32.14 | mwilson | noda: And as soon as you start talking about abbreviations, you'll be right. |
| 21:32.18 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 21:32.31 | *** join/#debian oneifreak (~superuser@64.56.132.143) |
| 21:32.31 | zinx | omg ne1 hav 0day debian isoz |
| 21:32.39 | xell | so, bin wieder da (mit richtigem realname) |
| 21:32.52 | *** join/#debian jenova (alice@161.246.7.135) |
| 21:33.04 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: again, no. It's the ISOs belonging to him, not him belonging to the ISOs. |
| 21:33.05 | mwilson | noda: Oh, by the way, the word you want is "contractions". |
| 21:33.06 | Sebulba02 | I must be losing it, no one is making any sense. |
| 21:33.10 | Nurbs | xell: Toll Lukas. Jetzt nur noch englisch reden :) |
| 21:33.16 | noda | mwilson: ISO is an abbreviation. |
| 21:33.18 | noda | mwilson: You are wrong. |
| 21:33.24 | Nurbs | dondelelcaro: damn. :)= |
| 21:33.30 | mwilson | ISO is an acronym. |
| 21:33.36 | oneifreak | zinx, 0 day packages from debian.org! |
| 21:33.36 | tizz | yes, iso's is not really, good, maybe my iso's are ugly, they look like bins... but is isos as possible to write as ISOs? |
| 21:33.37 | nvz | Sebulba02: when the script kiddies flock to #debian, sane people flock to #debian-bleh |
| 21:33.50 | xell | xammu: so, cmpci ist geladen, was jetzt? |
| 21:33.51 | *** join/#debian synic_ (~synic@cpe-66-87-26-31.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 21:33.51 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 21:33.55 | pat5star | is there a way I can reload my shell (after changing path env for ex.) without actually having to exit and restart it? I thought I once seen somewhere a command to reload it |
| 21:33.55 | noda | mwilson: And an acronym is an abbreviation. Thus, ISO is an abbreviation by transitivity. |
| 21:34.07 | mwilson | tizz: What do the rest of the kiddies you run with call them? |
| 21:34.10 | bob2 | pat5star: . ~/file/you/modified |
| 21:34.14 | bob2 | pat5star: or "exec bash" |
| 21:34.20 | *** join/#debian k3t_ (k3t@pD9502DF2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:34.21 | Nurbs | xell: talk english or go to #debian.de |
| 21:34.28 | pat5star | bob2: ok, I'll try that...thanks :) |
| 21:34.34 | Jacobo221 | I have interent connectoin over LAN, and when I boot my Linux box with the ethernet cable plugged it works, but when I boot it with the cable unplugged, it doesn't, and "ifup -a" or "ifup eth0" still don't start my internet service... what should do? |
| 21:34.40 | tizz | mwilson: i don't know, i don't have any kids at the moment |
| 21:34.46 | xell | ups, ich bin ja gar nicht in debian.de |
| 21:34.50 | xell | sry |
| 21:34.54 | Nurbs | :) |
| 21:35.07 | tizz | and other kids also aren't in my way |
| 21:35.10 | *** join/#debian Alibubian (~Ahsmed@h241n2fls32o1102.telia.com) |
| 21:35.22 | *** join/#debian Saw^ (~boobah@62.142.38.242) |
| 21:35.27 | dondelelcaro | noda: not by a long shot. There is some conflict about acronyms ending in S, but for the most part, no apostrophe is needed. |
| 21:35.28 | somiaj_ | Jacobo221: are you using dhcp to give the interface its ip, etc. |
| 21:35.54 | pixelmonkey | can anyone name a decent 3D game in debian repositories I can use to test out if my DRI config is working properly (other than tuxracer)? |
| 21:35.57 | noda | dondelelcaro: I certainly learned from a different grammar book than you did. What English? I'm Canadian. |
| 21:36.15 | thebug | pixelmonkey: tux, a quest for herring ? :) |
| 21:36.16 | zu22 | ~lart tizz |
| 21:36.18 | *** join/#debian Trevie (trevie@ip68-98-109-223.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:36.28 | Jacobo221 | somiaj_: nops, manual configuration through /etc/networks and /etc/network/internfaces & /etc/network/options |
| 21:36.29 | thebug | pixelmonkey: tux-aqfh |
| 21:36.30 | noda | ...and learned from an English grammar book, as in England (I think) |
| 21:36.35 | thebug | pixelmonkey: or blender |
| 21:36.39 | zu22 | mwilson: "abandon all hope!" hehe :) |
| 21:36.40 | dondelelcaro | noda: whose grammar? It is appropriate for abbreviations containing punctuation, generally, so perhaps you're confounding the two. |
| 21:36.45 | pixelmonkey | thebug: cool, thanks. Oh yea, Blender could work for testing. |
| 21:36.52 | *** join/#debian cash00 (~lcashdol@fw01.cmbrmaks.akamai.com) |
| 21:36.54 | noda | dondelelcaro: Lemme break out my enormous Webster's, I think it's got it :) |
| 21:36.59 | *** join/#debian Alevino (~Levine@200-163-045-247.cpece705.e.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 21:37.01 | tizz | zu22: is it possible to form it understandable? |
| 21:37.09 | thebug | blender is good stuff..though if you're going to mess with it, go download the new version, not the old debian packages |
| 21:37.13 | dondelelcaro | noda: yes, but you'll have to tell me which grammarian wrote the book. Some of them have very weird notions... |
| 21:37.17 | somiaj_ | Jacobo221: well I just set up a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces and it doesn't matter if the ethernet card is pluged in for my iface to come up. |
| 21:37.18 | nvz | I use my blender to test how drunk I can get off something that tastes like a smoothie |
| 21:37.20 | zu22 | tizz: it's not really a big deal, i write "ISOs" |
| 21:37.24 | noda | dondelelcaro: Sure, gotta find it first :) |
| 21:37.32 | *** join/#debian imei (~chatzilla@CPE0000398d109b-CM400035822089.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:37.34 | *** join/#debian gothtec_ (~ohmygoth@ti211310a080-4135.bb.online.no) |
| 21:37.52 | *** join/#debian xuser (~xuser@200.89.235.16) |
| 21:37.57 | *** part/#debian xuser (~xuser@200.89.235.16) |
| 21:38.19 | Stripes | I just tried to compile a 2.4.24 kernel but when I try to boot restarts the machine right after lilo tries to load the image.. |
| 21:38.32 | zu22 | someone should add a factoid on this "ISOs or ISO's - the debate rages onwards" |
| 21:38.43 | Jacobo221 | somiaj_: it doesn't matter to me either _only_ if it is plugged when booting. I mean, if it is plugged at boottime, then I can plug/unplug with no problems at all, but if at boottime it is unplugged, then there's no way to make the LAN work |
| 21:38.50 | tizz | zu22: ok, i think i'll write no more a word about it, surely not on #debian |
| 21:38.58 | bob2 | Stripes: you chose the wrong cpu type |
| 21:39.08 | dondelelcaro | zu22: I'm still waiting for someone to provide a decent reference to the "ISO's" useage... |
| 21:39.08 | zu22 | tizz: like i said it's not that big an issue, i wouldn't stress too much over it |
| 21:39.15 | noda | dondelelcaro: Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, 1993 (I think it's American)... I'll quote: |
| 21:39.19 | zu22 | tizz: u can always write a letter to Judith Martin :) |
| 21:39.31 | Stripes | ah.. good stuff.. that's what I thought it might be, but I was pretty sure I got it right... |
| 21:39.32 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 21:39.40 | bytewalker | how do iget mplayer to loop? |
| 21:39.41 | *** join/#debian LoneTech (yann@du-18-170.ppp.telenordia.se) |
| 21:39.42 | Stripes | one more try I guess |
| 21:39.46 | mwilson | zu22: It's more important to point out that he's a thief. |
| 21:39.56 | tizz | zu22: i haven't met judith martin yet |
| 21:40.13 | _Hugo_ | bytewalker : mplayer -loop 0 |
| 21:40.14 | bob2 | Stripes: what cpu do you have? |
| 21:40.15 | noda | Use an apostrophe: ... 3. To form the plurals of letters or figures add an apostrophe and an s. Some authorities and editors prefer to use no apostrophe in such cases, but using one may make it clearer that the added s is not part of the abbreviated form or initialism itself. |
| 21:40.18 | somiaj_ | Jacobo221: I can't think of why it would matter, I was just making sure dhcp wasn't involved cause that can pause things. |
| 21:40.29 | zu22 | mwilson: ya it's funny he is so worried about a spelling triviality yet doesn't mind theft |
| 21:40.31 | *** join/#debian kreg (~kreg@24-119-127-41.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 21:40.33 | noda | Some examples: "CEO's," "GI's." |
| 21:40.38 | Jacobo221 | somiaj_: ok, thanx anyway |
| 21:40.47 | zu22 | mwilson: the incongruous criminal mind eh |
| 21:40.58 | bob2 | nvz: now that sounds like fun. |
| 21:41.02 | *** join/#debian Zta_ (~stephan@212.242.235.139) |
| 21:41.13 | dondelelcaro | noda: hrm. Well, it's still not the generally accepted useage. |
| 21:41.15 | *** join/#debian sone2 (~sone@208.42.155.248) |
| 21:41.18 | zu22 | tizz: i didn't expect you'd met her :) but u can write her a letter if u wish |
| 21:41.19 | mwilson | zu22: No, just stupidity. |
| 21:41.21 | noda | dondelelcaro: I imagine it varies from location to location. |
| 21:41.33 | zu22 | mwilson: (: |
| 21:41.34 | *** part/#debian offby1` (~user@offby1.atm01.sea.blarg.net) |
| 21:41.38 | *** join/#debian damajha (damajha@ohmh01m01-9.bctel.ca) |
| 21:41.46 | noda | dondelelcaro: That's the way we learned it in school. |
| 21:41.47 | dondelelcaro | noda: worse, it changes from grammarian to grammarian. It's like the foo, bar(,|) and baz. issue. |
| 21:41.47 | tizz | zu22: ok, i'll do it if i find time (much to do at the moment to find out how to call the images) |
| 21:41.55 | Zta_ | Is there any way to redirrect the display of currently running X-applications to another X display? Perhaps the entire X-session with its root, windowmanager, all applications etc? |
| 21:42.05 | noda | dondelelcaro: Yeah, my teachers say "pick your own." |
| 21:42.06 | zu22 | tizz: lol |
| 21:42.07 | nvz | bob2: yeah and to think some people rather drink a chicken.. those arent the kind of people you want to invite over |
| 21:42.09 | noda | So I always put the extra comma :) |
| 21:42.10 | dondelelcaro | noda: schools teach things incorrectly all of the time... |
| 21:42.17 | noda | dondelelcaro: You're right :) |
| 21:42.25 | bob2 | Zta: no |
| 21:42.26 | *** join/#debian tvi (~martin@brnoc-5.dialup.vol.cz) |
| 21:42.33 | Zta | bob2, crap. |
| 21:42.38 | LoneTech | zta_: some apps support it.. specifically, I think they're part of GPE or something. |
| 21:42.39 | noda | dondelelcaro: But still, my initial point, "ISO's" or "ISOs", was right. |
| 21:42.50 | LoneTech | but most don't |
| 21:42.52 | noda | s/",/," for perfect grammar, of course. |
| 21:43.16 | dondelelcaro | noda: anyway, a more sane policy is found: http://www.jhsph.edu/Press_Room/style_manual/a.html http://ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm etc. |
| 21:43.22 | Blissex | Zta: there are some X11 protocol proxying gateway applications, and you can always use VNC to achieve something like that. |
| 21:43.25 | sone2 | Is it possible to use the new (beta) debian installer to install woody? |
| 21:43.41 | *** join/#debian Paikan (~Paikan@m156.net81-66-164.noos.fr) |
| 21:43.45 | Blissex | As a rule, however, you need to start the proxy when you start the server. |
| 21:44.07 | noda | dondelelcaro: "More sane?" There are obvious reasons to use an apostrophe, as well as obvious reasons not to use one. |
| 21:44.08 | dondelelcaro | sone2: yes, if you know what you're doing. but then you wouldn't be asking that question... |
| 21:44.09 | bob2 | sone2: yes-ish. |
| 21:44.52 | xenohugs | http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 21:44.57 | *** join/#debian shaggy (~shaggy@c-24-9-123-82.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:45.00 | sone2 | welp, downloading netinst iso now... I'll give it a shot |
| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | noda: its use in the plural form confounds with the possesive. That's why it's not such a hot idea to use it. |
| 21:45.17 | pixelmonkey | any nautilus users here know why when I right-click my desktop, go to Disks and select CDROM, nautilus mounts my CDROM but does not place an icon on the desktop? |
| 21:45.17 | revenger_ | bob2: what's the difference between making a package with debhelper/dpkg? |
| 21:45.18 | noda | Ah well. I'll quit while I'm ahead, nothing I've said so far is wrong :) |
| 21:45.28 | shaggy | Hi all. I have an esoniq ES1371 sound card and there *is* a driver for it in the kernel (2.6.0) but nothing happens when I modprobe it in... Can anybody help me troubleshoot this? |
| 21:45.31 | shaggy | Google says nothign about it |
| 21:45.44 | revenger_ | bob2: either I picked up a bad tutorial or it's the same :P |
| 21:45.46 | Justin_ | shaggy: "nothing happens" |
| 21:45.59 | Justin_ | shaggy: whatever thats supposed to mean |
| 21:46.00 | noda | dondelelcaro: Yup. And its ommission gives the appearance of extending the acronym, which is a good reason *to* use it :) |
| 21:46.01 | shaggy | Justin_: yeah, usually I'd see something about it in dmesg but there's nothing |
| 21:46.13 | bob2 | revenger_: debhelper does the hardwork for you. |
| 21:46.24 | shaggy | Justin_: there's no output in the console, there's no log output that I can find |
| 21:46.25 | bob2 | revenger_: www.debian.org/devel/, the new maintainers guide |
| 21:46.26 | shaggy | ...just nothing |
| 21:46.28 | noda | shaggy: run alsamixer. Does it show up? |
| 21:46.35 | shaggy | noda: hang on |
| 21:46.37 | somiaj_ | shaggy: if the modle loads correctly usually nothing happens, you try 'lsmod' to see if the module is loaded. |
| 21:46.56 | *** part/#debian jmitchell1 (~jmitchell@me-jay3a-251.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 21:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 698] by debhelper |
| 21:47.01 | shaggy | somiaj_: yeah, it's in... |
| 21:47.02 | beta3 | arg |
| 21:47.04 | noda | shaggy: If you get a list of volume sliders, then YES, it worked :P |
| 21:47.05 | shaggy | noda: yeah, it shows up for root |
| 21:47.08 | dondelelcaro | noda: that's why the acronym is in uppercase, and the s in lower. Makes it perfectly obvious... |
| 21:47.12 | beta3 | something happened to my openldap directory |
| 21:47.12 | noda | shaggy: Not all drivers print messages into dmesg :) |
| 21:47.12 | beta3 | shit |
| 21:47.25 | shaggy | noda: so what is it that I need to chmod to get it to show up for non-root users? |
| 21:47.30 | revenger_ | bob2: thanks |
| 21:47.36 | Justin_ | !tell shaggy about audio |
| 21:47.43 | noda | shaggy: Add the users to the 'audio' group instead. |
| 21:47.45 | somiaj_ | shaggy: adduser <user> audio |
| 21:48.00 | Zta | xenohugs, Did you make that angryflower cartoon? I was wondering if it was possible to get a hires scan of it. More people ought to read it =) |
| 21:48.14 | *** join/#debian zig_ (~zig@f14v-5-168.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 21:48.38 | *** join/#debian Fredz (Fred@aq470.authent.sfu.ca) |
| 21:48.39 | *** join/#debian pmcalpin (~pmcalpin@CPE0050baab42c9-CM014480102454.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:49.13 | *** join/#debian floppyears (~sdfs@12-203-66-7.client.attbi.com) |
| 21:49.18 | xenohugs | http://www.angryflower.com/destro.gif |
| 21:49.21 | xenohugs | I didnt make em. |
| 21:49.22 | noda | dondelelcaro: I'm not going to carry on the debate, since I never even took a side and it's obviously never reached a conclusion. |
| 21:49.33 | pmcalpin | ARG! I wish that every decent MTA didn't assume I'm some part of some huge domain |
| 21:49.41 | *** part/#debian Pimpinella (frank@p50820C9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:49.42 | shaggy | somiaj_: I'm in the audio group (I had to do that for 2.4)... it still says permission denied |
| 21:50.01 | noda | shaggy: Log out and back in. |
| 21:50.01 | xenohugs | You can buy a poster of it: http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html |
| 21:50.17 | *** join/#debian kalve (thomas@amanda.irchost.no) |
| 21:50.18 | shaggy | noda: ok... |
| 21:50.54 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 21:50.55 | LoneTech | pmcalpin: what are your "decent" requirements then? perhaps some simple one like masqmail suffices. |
| 21:51.28 | clinfix | is there anyone that used s3 trio 3D/2x vga card and a 14inc monitor with woody?i need config file |
| 21:52.03 | *** join/#debian Steph[eN] (~st3ph@pD9E1F824.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:52.17 | pmcalpin | LoneTech: I've been using ssmtp for a while, but development has stopped, and I want to find something between that and the full blown sendmail bigshots |
| 21:52.27 | LoneTech | somehow I doubt it. a combo that old should be fine with a dexconf-generated config. |
| 21:53.10 | noda | sendmail is a bigshot? |
| 21:53.24 | LoneTech | pmcalpin: that's a bit like nullmailer, isn't it? |
| 21:53.48 | noda | (Sure is a lousy bigshot....) |
| 21:53.49 | *** join/#debian Empero (empero@sieni.info) |
| 21:54.06 | *** join/#debian Active2 (~Active2@openbsd.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:54.10 | *** join/#debian shaggy (~shaggy@c-24-9-123-82.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:54.21 | shaggy | thanks guys, that worked like a charm. :) |
| 21:54.21 | pmcalpin | by bigshot I mean has a huge config file with 10000000 pages of stuff i don't care anything about |
| 21:54.32 | *** join/#debian root (root@drum.one.pl) |
| 21:54.32 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 21:54.47 | LoneTech | I'm running exim myself, pretty easy to set up.. in fact, I only need what its debconf sets up. |
| 21:55.27 | pmcalpin | i tried exim, and postfix, but couldn't find a way to do the "smtp authorize" that my isp requires |
| 21:55.31 | *** join/#debian Gweg (~SoSoDeF@173.6-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 21:55.33 | LoneTech | though it is one of the "full-blown" variants. sendmail is definitely the worst from that angle though. |
| 21:55.34 | *** join/#debian wept (wept@69-30-71-215.dq1mn.easystreet.com) |
| 21:55.36 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 21:55.55 | LoneTech | using authorization to the smarthost? |
| 21:56.03 | wept | has anyone had problems compiling kernels in unstable? i am getting segfaults for some unknown reasons |
| 21:56.04 | pmcalpin | ya |
| 21:56.19 | Sebulba02 | wept: nope |
| 21:56.39 | LoneTech | well, I suspect masqmail can satisfy you though I haven't tried it. you just got me curious on how to do relay-auth in exim. |
| 21:56.44 | somiaj_ | wept: usually that is a sign of bad memory, or a bad compiler try using gcc-2.95 instead of the sid default. |
| 21:57.03 | *** join/#debian Blissex_ (~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:57.24 | *** join/#debian Esus (foobar@pcp03455171pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:57.28 | wept | usually if its bad memory it will segfault at different places though, right? |
| 21:57.36 | wept | i get a segfault at the same place everytime |
| 21:57.55 | *** join/#debian Azrael]2 (~azrael@pD9EB6FE4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:58.02 | Sebulba02 | wept: and where is that? |
| 21:58.04 | bytewalker | wept make sure ur using the same gcc your kernel was compiled with (cat /proc/version) |
| 21:58.07 | *** join/#debian Blissex (~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:58.19 | *** join/#debian datKruemelmonste (~monster@pD9525375.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:58.38 | somiaj_ | wept: yea if it hits the same place it might be something wrong with the compiler/sorce, I would suggest using gcc-2.95 to compile kernels. |
| 21:58.39 | *** join/#debian overflow (~overflow@200.90.96.54) |
| 21:58.53 | wept | Sebulba02: signal.h in function "sigandsets" |
| 21:58.55 | overflow | Hi, how can I convert *.mp3 to *.wav? |
| 21:59.06 | tony | will changing the passwd for user 'myql' cause problems |
| 21:59.12 | pmcalpin | overflow: there's an xmms diskwriter plugin |
| 21:59.20 | Sebulba02 | overflow: search google for an mp3->wav converter |
| 21:59.23 | pmcalpin | (output plugin) |
| 21:59.32 | LoneTech | ok, exim4 definitely can authorize itself as a client. I don't know exactly how but it's somewhat documented, section "Authentication by an Exim client". |
| 21:59.34 | overflow | pmcalpin: something fast to burn into CD |
| 21:59.35 | streuner | overflow: or use mpg321 (man mpg321) |
| 21:59.36 | Sebulba02 | or use that |
| 21:59.40 | eeyore- | wept: which gcc? |
| 21:59.50 | Sebulba02 | wept: eh, beats me then.. |
| 22:00.15 | *** join/#debian Jared (~Jared@66-168-5-179.cli.wi.charter.com) |
| 22:00.25 | fatal__ | LoneTech: exim3 can too... |
| 22:00.27 | LoneTech | that'll have to be tuned though. I don't think debconf can configure that bit. |
| 22:00.29 | ljlane | What is the meaning of "findpkg (--> Google)" on the packages.debian.org front page? |
| 22:00.40 | tony | anyone know about changing the passwd for user 'mysql' |
| 22:00.41 | LoneTech | fatal__: thought so, but it's version 4 I keep installed. |
| 22:00.49 | *** join/#debian hksdu (~Leung@CPE000625de9d0e-CM400035832997.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:01.16 | _Hugo_ | tony: as far as i know it's an account with an invalid password |
| 22:01.30 | *** join/#debian sharth (~sharth@pcp01485611pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net) |
| 22:01.34 | tony | _Hugo_ , so I can change it to whatever I want? |
| 22:01.47 | wept | eeyore-: 3.3.3 |
| 22:01.47 | tony | _Hugo_ , or does it need to have no passwd |
| 22:02.07 | eeyore- | tony: mysql is not expected to be an interactive account |
| 22:02.10 | _Hugo_ | tony: i never needed to change it, from it's default 'invalid password' |
| 22:02.28 | bytewalker | whast the weather app in this screenshot?? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=9648-1.jpg |
| 22:02.36 | *** join/#debian clemyeats (earth@lns-th2-5f-81-56-195-166.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 22:02.52 | *** join/#debian eratsu (~eratsu@modemcable029.241-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:02.52 | eeyore- | tony: mysql access to tables/rows are independent from UNIX accounts |
| 22:02.52 | Jared | bytewalker: Without looking, probably kweather or whatever it is? |
| 22:03.02 | tony | am working with 'mysqlhotcopy' command, when run as root, the copys are owned by root, instead of 'mysql' |
| 22:03.10 | bytewalker | Jared its not kweather i dont think |
| 22:03.14 | clemyeats | Hi all |
| 22:03.15 | *** join/#debian calamari_ (calamari@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:03.19 | *** join/#debian Jussi (~Jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 22:03.23 | calamari_ | re again |
| 22:03.25 | eeyore- | tony: so chown/chgrp it |
| 22:03.29 | bytewalker | its got a forecast and everything |
| 22:03.34 | Jared | Oooohhh, I like that wallpaper |
| 22:03.36 | tony | eeyore- yes, of course, but the backup script is run from the command line |
| 22:03.42 | tony | anyway, thanks |
| 22:03.58 | eeyore- | tony: you can chown/chgrp from the script |
| 22:04.02 | Jared | That *could* be a Mac |
| 22:04.05 | eeyore- | tony: or, you can make cron run as "mysql" user |
| 22:04.08 | calamari_ | I've copied a tt font to /usr/share/fonts/truetype. What do I need to run to update the font indexes? |
| 22:04.16 | eeyore- | tony: your choices are many, and varied |
| 22:04.20 | hksdu | when do I ifconfig eth0, how does debian know which interface it looks for if there are more than one? |
| 22:04.23 | bytewalker | jared.. the screenshot? |
| 22:04.25 | Jared | nvm |
| 22:04.26 | hksdu | *when I do |
| 22:04.42 | clemyeats | does anybody know a good link/way to configure a realtek 8180 wireless PCI card (on debian woody) ? |
| 22:04.43 | bob2 | apt-proxy is nuts. |
| 22:04.50 | Sebulba02 | hksdu: mac address, I think |
| 22:04.50 | bytewalker | someone plz tell me what that weather app is:( |
| 22:04.55 | _Hugo_ | hksdu : numbers get assigned when booting the kernel/loading modules |
| 22:04.57 | wept | how do i set the default version of gcc to something different than it is? |
| 22:05.18 | _Hugo_ | wept: for just the current shell: export CC=gcc-2.95 |
| 22:05.27 | eeyore- | wept: edit kernel makefile |
| 22:05.28 | *** join/#debian eratsu (~eratsu@modemcable029.241-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:05.36 | *** join/#debian marinos (~marinos@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 22:05.39 | streuner | wept: or change the symlink gcc to the version you want |
| 22:05.43 | hksdu | but I have built-in NIC, it is using National semi driver, which I have already checked "yes" when configuring kernel, so I believe when system loads, it loads the module |
| 22:05.46 | rdancer | khsdu: use nameif(8) |
| 22:05.51 | eeyore- | wept: CC/HOSTCC |
| 22:05.58 | bytewalker | omg did kde-look.org just go down? |
| 22:05.59 | hksdu | but when I login, and do ifconfig, it doesn't show eth0, any clue? |
| 22:06.05 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 22:06.15 | *** join/#debian coco (~coco@169.158.128.27) |
| 22:06.15 | mavx | anybody here use chbg? |
| 22:06.15 | rdancer | hksdu: use ifconfig -a |
| 22:06.26 | _Hugo_ | hksdu : and configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:06.29 | mavx | chbg and gnome2 |
| 22:06.37 | rdancer | hksdu: or go ip(8), it's better :-)) |
| 22:06.47 | *** join/#debian QuiOSX (~qui@80-218-20-155.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:07.00 | *** join/#debian karsten (~karsten@host-66-81-218-244.rev.o1.com) |
| 22:07.24 | hksdu | okay, but when I do ifconfig eth0 up, it said "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied", what is this? |
| 22:07.26 | rdancer | hksdu: then use ifup/ifdown to UP/DOWN it |
| 22:07.28 | *** join/#debian zomtec (~zomtec@pD9EAA4FA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:07.37 | rdancer | hksdu: as root? |
| 22:07.39 | _Hugo_ | hksdu : and be root? |
| 22:07.43 | hksdu | must be root? |
| 22:07.44 | *** join/#debian morbidmind (~morbidmin@pD9E1C20C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:07.54 | rdancer | hksdu: don't you think?? ;-) |
| 22:07.56 | *** join/#debian drim (~drim@drim.kognance.org) |
| 22:08.03 | hksdu | then how can I bring it up everytime I boot up as other users? |
| 22:08.04 | *** join/#debian Gnea (gnea@roc-66-66-118-140.rochester.rr.com) |
| 22:08.08 | QuiOSX | i'm trying to install debian on a silicon graphics 320 workstation, but this machine has a weird graphical bios and i can't make it boot from my woody cd.. anyone got an idea how to solve this problem ? |
| 22:08.18 | rdancer | hksdu: why would you want to? |
| 22:08.22 | *** join/#debian joszi_ (~joszi@host82-143-129-8.ip.pop.e-wro.net.pl) |
| 22:08.24 | hksdu | rdancer: sorry I am just newbie here |
| 22:08.24 | *** join/#debian DjMadness|BNC (djmadness@0x50c40824.naenxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 22:08.32 | rdancer | hksdu: just configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:08.33 | bob2 | 155Mb of upgrades, heh |
| 22:08.36 | *** join/#debian pgimeno (Maddy@124.Red-80-59-211.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:08.38 | *** join/#debian domi (~domi@kn-res.kuleuven.net) |
| 22:08.39 | hksdu | rdancer: because I don't wanna do it everytime login as root and then logout and login as other users |
| 22:08.51 | rdancer | hksdu: newbie ok ;-) |
| 22:08.52 | hksdu | rdancer: I have it in my interfaces |
| 22:08.59 | madness | QuiOSX: isn't that actually its own architecture ? |
| 22:09.03 | rdancer | hksdu: at least i'm knowledgeable more than _someone_ ;-) |
| 22:09.03 | *** join/#debian schlumpf2 (~vx_schlum@dsl-213-023-049-182.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:09.09 | *** part/#debian Soul-- (~czsoul@as3-1-1.lk.bonet.se) |
| 22:09.21 | rdancer | hksdu: then it'll be configured @ bootup |
| 22:09.36 | madness | QuiOSX: one of those new x86 things they do that aren't fully compatible with x86 pc's ? |
| 22:09.37 | coco | join #hurd |
| 22:09.40 | *** part/#debian domi (~domi@kn-res.kuleuven.net) |
| 22:09.49 | *** part/#debian Zta (~stephan@212.242.235.139) |
| 22:10.00 | LoneTech | madness: I think it's one of the visws pentium-based machines, not PCs but once they run Linux it's the x86 arch. |
| 22:10.03 | rdancer | hksdu: just configure it in /etc/network/interfaces, then it'll be configured @ boot time. |
| 22:10.11 | madness | LoneTech: yes, I thought so |
| 22:10.19 | rdancer | hksdu: or do you have some dynamic setup (pcmcia etc.)? |
| 22:10.27 | QuiOSX | madness well there are pentiums inside.. |
| 22:10.39 | DjMadness|BNC | i have a problem, i cant type æøå charters in ssh or in the shell, what can i do ? |
| 22:10.53 | QuiOSX | but that's not the problem, the problems that damn gui bios |
| 22:11.10 | bytewalker | someone PZL tell me what weather app is in this screenshot: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=9885-2.png |
| 22:11.13 | hksdu | rdancer: no |
| 22:11.13 | QuiOSX | hmm what's the name of the osloader on the boot cd? |
| 22:11.13 | somiaj_ | gui bios? damn! |
| 22:11.20 | QuiOSX | woody bootcd |
| 22:11.25 | madness | QuiOSX: it's not a PC, at the end of the day, there are some radical differences, I *think*, but I don't know too much about it |
| 22:11.54 | rdancer | hksdu: so do as we advised & /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:11.54 | LoneTech | radical differences like having a real boot monitor, so you don't need a weird bootloader. |
| 22:11.59 | *** join/#debian dj (~someone@adsl-sta-tpe-121-140.so-net.net.tw) |
| 22:12.02 | hksdu | k |
| 22:12.05 | *** join/#debian brc007 (~brc007@ip68-109-131-42.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 22:12.14 | *** join/#debian certron (~certron@pool181-28.patriot.net) |
| 22:12.24 | rdancer | hksdu: man interfaces to know what you're doing, of course |
| 22:12.29 | LoneTech | should be instructions around on the net, but I haven't had a chance to use one of those machines |
| 22:12.30 | DjMadness|BNC | any idears ? |
| 22:12.37 | *** join/#debian jesusfish (~trevor@CPE0040f44854df-CM000a739b46f7.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:12.39 | QuiOSX | LoneTech are you experienced with that gui bootlodaer? :) .. like, would you know by chance how to make it boot from the woody cd? |
| 22:13.03 | LoneTech | djmadness: your shell isn't 8-bit clean, probably. there are howtos about it.. the danish one might help. |
| 22:13.08 | *** join/#debian keler (~keler@139.Red-217-125-5.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:13.16 | LoneTech | quiosx: well, my SGI doesn't *support* graphics. |
| 22:13.40 | *** join/#debian luzifah (~luzifah@pC19F3F71.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:13.48 | rdancer | how do i enable `dead keys' in X? |
| 22:14.28 | wept | if i have to make my kernel with the same gcc version that i made my last kernel with, how would i ever upgrade gcc versions? |
| 22:14.34 | jesusfish | I'm getting a "unknown password verifier" error when trying to use postfix/pam/mysql...what is the cause of this? |
| 22:14.35 | karsten | rdancer: Zombie locks. |
| 22:14.48 | unixfool` | Is there a good debian howto for linux experts that quickly covers the basics (apt-get install/update/upgrade, dpkg -l, apt-cache search/show/showpkg, dpkg -L, dpkg -S, etc) |
| 22:14.48 | rdancer | karsten: baah |
| 22:14.53 | LoneTech | rdancer: just put "deadkeys" in the variant field, I think. depends on the layout in question though. |
| 22:14.58 | pmcalpin | hmmm... looks like esmtp is going to win the battle |
| 22:15.12 | rdancer | LoneTech: trying out... |
| 22:15.17 | clemyeats | how to install a realtek 8180 wireless PCI card (on debian woody) ? |
| 22:15.35 | *** join/#debian marton (~none@0-1pool84-152.nas47.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 22:16.05 | bob2 | unixfool`: the apt howto |
| 22:16.05 | DjMadness|BNC | LoneTech: what do u mean with 8-bit clean, it has worked before i reinstalled cuz i kept og crashing |
| 22:16.11 | DjMadness|BNC | it* |
| 22:16.16 | bob2 | clemyeats: is it actually supoprted by linux? |
| 22:16.17 | *** join/#debian |82nd|HeXeM (~hexem@user-3454.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:16.25 | clemyeats | it looks like it |
| 22:16.30 | unixfool` | bob2: exactly what i need, thanks |
| 22:16.34 | clemyeats | realtek gave drivers for it |
| 22:16.35 | bob2 | clemyeats: which kernel version? |
| 22:16.41 | clemyeats | 2.4 |
| 22:16.47 | bob2 | ignore their drivers, they will suck. |
| 22:16.53 | *** join/#debian smcavoy (~smcavoy@grimlock.drive-megawheels.net) |
| 22:16.54 | bob2 | which kernel version actually includes a driver for it |
| 22:17.14 | *** join/#debian scarface (scarphaze@port-212-202-8-44.reverse.qsc.de) |
| 22:17.15 | clemyeats | I don't know.. |
| 22:17.26 | bob2 | what did google say? |
| 22:17.30 | *** join/#debian pvalley (~pvalley@CPE-24-167-228-52.wi.rr.com) |
| 22:17.33 | bob2 | or, follow the instructions they gave you with the drivers. |
| 22:17.45 | *** join/#debian Empero (empero@sieni.info) |
| 22:17.49 | clemyeats | the drivers they gave were rpm for redhat |
| 22:17.55 | bob2 | hah |
| 22:18.08 | clemyeats | I heard the source code was on realtek website |
| 22:18.18 | bob2 | go see if you can find it. |
| 22:18.21 | clemyeats | but I also heard people had trouble getting them to work.. |
| 22:18.22 | hksdu | I have a router at home using dhcp, how do I config my eth0 to make it getting IP from router automatically? |
| 22:18.39 | bob2 | hksdu: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 22:19.15 | madness | clemyeats: try it and see. |
| 22:19.49 | pvalley | peterS just wanted to let you know it was successfull in getting the usbdevfs going i am waiting over in #sane to see if i can get any one that knows which back end to use |
| 22:19.53 | clemyeats | ok, be back in a little while with more questions or a solution for people having the same problem :) |
| 22:21.05 | *** part/#debian mhelas (~mhelas@drm9-d9bb1356.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 22:22.13 | *** join/#debian Nurbs (tom@p50925B7C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:22.57 | bob2 | scarface: hello? |
| 22:23.12 | bob2 | scarface: so you're worried that you now have an exlpoitabe kernel? |
| 22:23.52 | hacim | why do -dev packages have to depend on the library package? |
| 22:24.03 | pvalley | who wantss the colts to aside from me |
| 22:24.05 | *** part/#debian oneifreak (~superuser@64.56.132.143) |
| 22:24.16 | bob2 | hacim: because they're useless without them? |
| 22:24.27 | bob2 | hacim: you can't do anything with just the headers. |
| 22:24.29 | *** join/#debian drzoidberg__ (~zomtec@pD9EA9FC4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:24.30 | *** join/#debian zucchi (~zucchi@host167-101.pool80183.interbusiness.it) |
| 22:24.30 | *** join/#debian freyr (~freyr@dyn-69-16.tor.dsl.tht.net) |
| 22:24.40 | damajha | has anybody got the java-plugin to work with mozilla? |
| 22:24.41 | hacim | bob2: yeah, I assume so, but I am trying to figure out why, is it because the .a and the .so files are in the -dev packages? |
| 22:24.47 | *** join/#debian caci (~caci@pD902AE45.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:24.51 | pvalley | the way i see it the colts are going to be the next champs |
| 22:25.01 | bob2 | damajha: of course people have. |
| 22:25.05 | *** join/#debian marton (~none@0-1pool84-82.nas47.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 22:25.19 | bob2 | hacim: the .a is in the -dev package, and a symlink from .so to .so.1.2.3.4 |
| 22:25.30 | scarface | bob2 well no,... yes but regarding the controller topic, please check out te following link: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200208/msg03.html |
| 22:25.38 | bob2 | hacim: you could build statically if you only had the -dev package, I guess. |
| 22:26.03 | damajha | when I put the symlink in the plugins directory I get the following error |
| 22:26.18 | *** join/#debian [Cadet] (~david@cs666810-248.austin.rr.com) |
| 22:26.27 | hacim | bob2: I guess I dont understand... does it cause problems to have the .a file, but not the libraries? |
| 22:26.31 | *** join/#debian idimmu (Jesus@cpc1-port1-3-0-cust26.cos2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:26.32 | bob2 | scarface: and? |
| 22:26.41 | damajha | INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? |
| 22:26.54 | bob2 | hacim: a .a is a static library. you can't dynamically link against it. |
| 22:26.55 | *** join/#debian clemyeats (earth@lns-th2-5f-81-56-195-166.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 22:27.01 | hacim | bob2: the .so symlink (in the -dev package) is to the .so.1.2.3.4 in the library? That is strange |
| 22:27.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 22:27.09 | *** part/#debian pvalley (~pvalley@CPE-24-167-228-52.wi.rr.com) |
| 22:27.11 | bob2 | hacim: yes |
| 22:27.14 | clemyeats | how do I find the kernel version of my system ? |
| 22:27.26 | hacim | clemyeats: uname -r |
| 22:27.32 | *** join/#debian stef716 (~stef@cinestar.tvk.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 22:27.32 | clemyeats | thanks |
| 22:27.33 | bob2 | hacim: when you build a program (well, link), ld takes the -lfoo argument frmo gcc and links against /usr/lib/libfoo.so |
| 22:27.46 | scarface | bob2 so I can use the stable kernel that comes with woody and use the controller? I mean, what is meant by kernel configuration (menu or (x)config) ? |
| 22:27.53 | thomas_adam | hacim: could be a recursive symlink to an overall library. apt-get install chase and use 'chase' on the symlink |
| 22:27.54 | *** part/#debian coco (~coco@169.158.128.27) |
| 22:28.00 | *** join/#debian cmon (cmon@pD95249BA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:28.24 | cmon | BYE |
| 22:28.25 | bob2 | scarface: no idea, you'd have to try and see. the best long-term solution is to geta properly supported card, but I guess it's a bit late for that now |
| 22:28.42 | *** join/#debian marinos (~marinos@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 22:29.16 | hacim | bob2: ah, so without the link pointing to an actual library, things would bust |
| 22:29.27 | thomas_adam | hacim: hello :) |
| 22:29.40 | thomas_adam | hacim: I did mention "recursive" did I not? |
| 22:29.41 | bob2 | hacim: ld would say "library not found" or whatever. try adding -lsfjkfhsdkjfhsdkjfhsdkjfhskdfh to your gcc command line. |
| 22:30.08 | scarface | bob2 yea that's true. well they say it is supported. so just reinstall the 2.4.18-1 (btw: is the current kernel exploit already fixed anywhere?) and try my luck? |
| 22:30.18 | thomas_adam | bob2: -lsdfgsdjhgdfhjfdggjhdfgfdfdjgfd didn't help me. |
| 22:30.20 | bob2 | scarface: there are no fixed packages yet. |
| 22:30.36 | smcavoy | Hello, I'm looking for (debian packaged) for system management, basically files get edited locally and then are pushed to clients (and old versions are kept for reference). Any suggestions? |
| 22:30.36 | thomas_adam | bob2: is that a special library? |
| 22:30.39 | *** join/#debian bono (~bono@modemcable089.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:30.40 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (~LordLamer@pD904C7A5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:30.47 | thomas_adam | smcavoy: rsync |
| 22:30.52 | hacim | thomas_adam: how is that recursive? it is a broken link |
| 22:31.04 | bob2 | thomas_adam: blah, it will show the ld error message that not having libsdfgsdjhgdfhjfdggjhdfgfdfdjgfd-dev would print |
| 22:31.12 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 22:31.21 | thomas_adam | I'm being facetious |
| 22:31.26 | bob2 | REALLY????? |
| 22:31.32 | thomas_adam | bob2: well, duh! |
| 22:31.40 | bono | Question: wheres the 'right' place to apt-get openoffice? |
| 22:31.42 | thomas_adam | bob2: XXX, mate! |
| 22:31.52 | thomas_adam | bob2: Do you wear a cork hat? :) |
| 22:32.04 | bob2 | bono: Debian? or www.apt-get.org if you use woody. |
| 22:32.04 | *** join/#debian Vilhelmo (~vilhelmo@pool-68-163-236-191.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:32.08 | *** join/#debian Sully (~Sully@modem-3875.kawau.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:32.17 | bob2 | thomas_adam: yes, while throwing another englishman on the barbie |
| 22:32.21 | smcavoy | thomas_adam: that's a little raw. |
| 22:32.24 | thomas_adam | bob2: hahahaha |
| 22:32.42 | thomas_adam | I meant it in a non-offensive way |
| 22:32.51 | thomas_adam | as I knew Rob took it to be as such |
| 22:32.56 | *** join/#debian toga (~tom@ip68-224-76-101.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 22:33.41 | *** join/#debian rdancer (~jan@tunelaar.networx.cz) |
| 22:33.43 | *** join/#debian dav (~david@nas-p19-3-62-147-35-54.dial.proxad.net) |
| 22:34.02 | CASP6 | baaanakt |
| 22:34.04 | scarface | bob2 alright so testing may bring the results... ok. but what exactly is meant by "kernel configuration"? modconf, that's my suggestion |
| 22:34.13 | dav | When I run vim, I get the following message: "Warning: terminal cannot highlight" -- Anyone knows how to get rid of this? |
| 22:34.29 | thomas_adam | dav: is this in an xterm or at the console? |
| 22:34.37 | *** join/#debian marinos_ (~marinos@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 22:34.40 | *** join/#debian hyksos_ (~chicken@pD9EF17D8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:34.40 | *** part/#debian jor (~jor@adsl219194.adsl.utwente.nl) |
| 22:34.44 | *** join/#debian samlander (~tear001@d198-53-34-233.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 22:34.47 | samlander | greetings |
| 22:34.51 | dav | thomas_adam: xterm or putty or console. Usually in screen though. |
| 22:34.54 | *** part/#debian pmcalpin (~pmcalpin@CPE0050baab42c9-CM014480102454.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:35.06 | *** join/#debian Forcemstr (~jon@p50891D9F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:35.14 | thomas_adam | dav: man xsetterm (for xterm), man setterm for console |
| 22:35.21 | bob2 | scarface: compile time configuration |
| 22:35.25 | DjMadness|BNC | how can i add more terminals, like add ALT + F8 as a normal terminal ? |
| 22:35.29 | *** join/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 22:35.34 | thomas_adam | DjMadness|BNC: edit /etc/inittab |
| 22:35.43 | DjMadness|BNC | thomas_adam: thx |
| 22:35.47 | thomas_adam | DjMadness|BNC: yw |
| 22:35.51 | bono | DjMadness|BNC: inittab? |
| 22:35.52 | *** join/#debian greenmile (~Claus@pD901641A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:35.57 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 22:36.05 | scarface | bob2 uhm what? please... |
| 22:36.14 | bob2 | scarface: nevermind |
| 22:36.36 | dav | thomas_adam: don't have xsetterm |
| 22:36.37 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 22:36.46 | thomas_adam | scarface: stick to compiled releases |
| 22:36.56 | thomas_adam | dav: sorry, just xset |
| 22:37.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 678] by debhelper |
| 22:37.02 | scarface | bob2 so is modconf meant by this? |
| 22:37.13 | thomas_adam | scarface: it loads modules |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+l 698] by niven.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** join/#debian lilo (levin@lilo.staff.freenode) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@213.233.78.42] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@212.86.247.43 *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@202.88.241.78] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@nu.gg] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*blootbot@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net *!root@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq pmm!*@* *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | *** mode/#debian [+qq *!*@202.129.1.48 nugg!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:37.23 | bob2 | scarface: I already said no. |
| 22:37.24 | dav | thomas_adam: what keyword do I look for? highlight? |
| 22:37.28 | eeyore- | wept: you don't have to make your "next" kernel with same gcc that you build your last kernel with ... don't know who told you that |
| 22:37.34 | thomas_adam | dav: something likr that |
| 22:38.11 | wept | ugh |
| 22:38.21 | wept | im beginning to think this might be a memory problem afterall |
| 22:38.23 | scarface | thomas_adam I am a little bit confused. yea ok modconf loads modules. but how can I access my kernel configuration then? |
| 22:38.24 | *** join/#debian bda (bda@endymion.mirrorshades.net) |
| 22:38.30 | dav | thomas_adam: can't find it ;-) |
| 22:38.35 | thomas_adam | scarface: make menuconfig |
| 22:38.40 | LoneTech | wept: have you let it run memtest86 a few hours? |
| 22:38.44 | thomas_adam | scarface: in your /usr/src/linux dir |
| 22:38.53 | wept | LoneTech: good idea |
| 22:38.54 | thomas_adam | scarface: please, see the howto's at: www.linuxdocs.org |
| 22:39.14 | *** part/#debian xell (~lukas@chello080110208191.113.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 22:39.28 | *** join/#debian Zap-W (zapw@80.179.2.130.forward.012.net.il) |
| 22:39.37 | *** join/#debian tekmerc (~chatzilla@YAKUZA.MIT.EDU) |
| 22:41.12 | *** join/#debian Bloed (bloed@D5E0793D.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 22:41.33 | *** join/#debian L00thar (jjazz@tor58-19b-203-215.dialup.sprint-canada.net) |
| 22:42.21 | tekmerc | I run horde/imp on unstable, after the latest update, my imap folders stopped showing up in the imp folder selection menus, does anyone have similar problems? solutions? Thanks! |
| 22:43.13 | *** join/#debian ne (~wis@25.150-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 22:43.59 | ne | is there a DSA for the new kernel exploit ? |
| 22:44.34 | *** join/#debian tolneko (~Gyunam@211.208.249.205) |
| 22:44.54 | *** join/#debian asuffield (~asuffield@public1-sout4-4-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 22:45.48 | *** join/#debian droopy_ (~droopy@cpe-024-165-112-018.cinci.rr.com) |
| 22:45.49 | eeyore- | tekmerc: OT --- is horde/imp still in development? (i switched to squirrelmail a while ago) |
| 22:46.26 | droopy_ | Hello ALL |
| 22:46.31 | *** join/#debian G2 (~gdive23@212.159.59.85) |
| 22:47.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 681] by debhelper |
| 22:47.13 | tekmerc | eeyore: I think so, the latest debian release was in december. I tried both squirrelmail and horde, horde appeared to have a better webmail client. (Maybe squirrelmail is better now) |
| 22:47.22 | *** join/#debian fluxi_ (bruno@d51A49535.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 22:47.24 | *** join/#debian vorpal (~vorpal@rm135.Radiology.Arizona.EDU) |
| 22:47.32 | *** join/#debian Oryn (oryn@atraue.fsck.tv) |
| 22:47.33 | *** join/#debian scsiprob (~sryder@inbound.proteomesystems.com) |
| 22:48.41 | *** join/#debian Durin (rv@sparc.velter.de) |
| 22:49.13 | *** join/#debian mool (~mool@216-163-73-58.client.cypresscom.net) |
| 22:49.51 | *** join/#debian miken0123 (~abcd@pcp02639797pcs.lambrv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:49.58 | *** join/#debian dmenendez (dmenendez@168-226-182-97.speedy.com.ar) |
| 22:51.08 | droopy_ | How do you disable logon of a user...if there home is not mounted?? |
| 22:51.17 | tam | how do i tell gcc to 'IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH' ? |
| 22:51.22 | thomas_adam | droopy_: edit their passwd in /etc/shadow |
| 22:51.29 | thomas_adam | add a star in front of it |
| 22:51.42 | eratsu | tam: export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1, IIRC |
| 22:51.45 | Blissex | droopy_: there is some kind of PAM module for that. I just can't remember which one. |
| 22:51.48 | funnyguy | droopy_ : if their home is mounted or not doesn't matter if u disable their login |
| 22:51.58 | tam | eratsu: it is that am sure. i just rememberd thanks |
| 22:52.11 | eratsu | k |
| 22:52.12 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 22:52.18 | PepeRene | What is wrong in my lilo.conf(2)? Next to my working KnoppixDebian on /dev/sdb1 I needed and restored from tape my old RedHat5.0 on /dev/sda1. But the rattling hard disk hangs with black screen... |
| 22:52.27 | funnyguy | droopy_ : if u have shadow passwords put * inthe password field in etc/shadow, else put it in etc/passwd |
| 22:52.29 | miken0123 | I am trying this game called xletters. WHen you press an Alphabet E - it shows an Elephant jpg, but after a couple of letters the game shuts down. ANy ideas. I just downloaded and installed 30 r2 |
| 22:52.32 | *** join/#debian Iszak (Iszak@AC83E1F2.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:52.40 | thomas_adam | miken0123: it's a cool game |
| 22:52.45 | droopy_ | Blissex thats what I am talking about... |
| 22:52.46 | *** join/#debian SF|jIRC (J_Applet@lab1c01.midlab.lsu.edu) |
| 22:52.48 | somiaj_ | a rattling hard disck just doesn't sound good. |
| 22:52.48 | SF|jIRC | There were 2 people on a boat: /hop and /quit. /hop got off, who's still on the boat?/join #debian |
| 22:52.54 | *** join/#debian Ted66 (~ted66@ppp-217-133-0-222.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:52.59 | miken0123 | Yes it is good thomas, but why does it shut down |
| 22:53.00 | Ted66 | hi |
| 22:53.08 | funnyguy | miken0123 : is it a debian pacakge ? |
| 22:53.14 | thomas_adam | miken0123: dunno, run strace on it, with the -e option to filter it |
| 22:53.58 | *** part/#debian Ted66 (~ted66@ppp-217-133-0-222.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:54.07 | dav | thanks thomas_adam |
| 22:54.10 | cinix | /quit ? |
| 22:54.33 | funnyguy | man |
| 22:54.34 | *** join/#debian kro (~user@metrics.csee.wvu.edu) |
| 22:54.42 | funnyguy | #debian dies down after 5pm est |
| 22:54.52 | *** join/#debian magnon (~magnon@deworks.net) |
| 22:55.19 | *** join/#debian unmada (~unmada@201.128.106.65) |
| 22:55.23 | mool | Where are the latest Sarge netinstall iso's available? |
| 22:55.25 | *** join/#debian lilo (levin@lilo.staff.freenode) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@213.233.78.42] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@212.86.247.43 *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@202.88.241.78] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@nu.gg] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*blootbot@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net *!root@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq pmm!*@* *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.25 | *** mode/#debian [+qq *!*@202.129.1.48 nugg!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** join/#debian lilo (levin@lilo.staff.freenode) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@81.98.208.64 *!*@67.42.58.241 *!*@dialup.212-50-175-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@213.233.78.173 *!*@wbar5.tampa1-4-11-126-128.dsl-verizon.net *!*@adsl-64-160-165-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@038.b.004.brs.iprimus.net.au *!*@c-65-97-12-19.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@213.233.78.42] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@212.86.247.43 *!*@169.226.17.250 *!*@ti221110a080-0901.bb.online.no] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@c-24-10-200-168.client.comcast.net *!*@c-65-97-8-235.va.client2.attbi.com *!*@202.88.241.78] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+bbb *!*@HSE-Toronto-ppp3489118.sympatico.ca *!*@cpc1-nfds2-6-0-cust2.nott.cable.ntl.com *!*@nu.gg] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*blootbot@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@81.84.141.207 *!*@200.97.18.70 *!*@218.85.105.3] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!*@nat.cable.net.pl *!*@213.60.92.94 doppiabeo!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq *!~root@* *!*@p3EE38E80.dip.t-dialin.net *!root@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+qqq pmm!*@* *!*@bgp01038848bgs.sothwt01.mi.comcast.net *!*@c105-156.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.32 | *** mode/#debian [+qq *!*@202.129.1.48 nugg!*@*] by kurland.freenode.net |
| 22:55.49 | droopy_ | What the heck was that |
| 22:55.57 | Trevie | No idea.... |
| 22:55.58 | madness | droopy_: servers merging. |
| 22:56.16 | *** join/#debian konrad (konrad@200-161-253-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:56.19 | konrad | Hi, how can I share my dsl connection with a virtual windows me machine on vmware? Thanks! |
| 22:56.33 | brc007 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:56.34 | *** join/#debian Annirak (~Annirak@h2-cpe102.insinc.com) |
| 22:56.39 | LoRez | konrad: ask the nice people at vmware. you did pay for their product, right? |
| 22:56.53 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 22:56.53 | *** join/#debian absence (~absence@s043b.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 22:56.58 | *** join/#debian _name_ (just_a_nam@p509261B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:57.06 | PepeRene | somiaj_: can go into the redhat dirs when started from knoppixDebian; it' is not the hard disk |
| 22:57.13 | konrad | LoRez: Actually I'm with the trial version |
| 22:57.38 | LoRez | konrad: it's still not a debian issue, and afaik, they support their trials too. |
| 22:57.40 | tam | why would i need to get nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6? i jsut want to use standard graphics nothing more. |
| 22:57.58 | The_Vulture | tam: depensd which nvidia card you have |
| 22:58.00 | mool | brc007: thanks but those are unavailable due to gluck still being out of service. |
| 22:58.10 | The_Vulture | some of the more recent ones aren't supported by the free nv drivers and the like.. |
| 22:58.16 | The_Vulture | as far as I understand it |
| 22:58.18 | brc007 | oh okay |
| 22:58.25 | *** join/#debian jariep (~jariep@ppp-68-91-21-225.dialup.elpstx.swbell.net) |
| 22:58.35 | tam | The_Vulture: nvidia tnt riva 32mb |
| 22:58.36 | konrad | LoRez: Ok, I will mail them |
| 22:58.46 | The_Vulture | tam: then you can probably get away with the old "nv" driver |
| 22:58.59 | tam | The_Vulture: but i'm just annoyed why i need to use the nvidia drivers to do it. |
| 22:59.05 | tam | The_Vulture: tryed :( |
| 22:59.12 | bda | X's nVidia driver is teh hate. |
| 22:59.13 | *** join/#debian claudio_ (~claudio@red165-162.manquehue.net) |
| 22:59.15 | brc007 | mool...the dailys look like they are available to me... http://people.debian.org/~manty/testing/netinst/i386/ |
| 22:59.17 | bda | nVidia's is teh lurve. |
| 22:59.20 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 22:59.24 | The_Vulture | tam: why? what's there to be annoyed about |
| 22:59.33 | The_Vulture | you check the nv module in debconf, it puts it in yer config, things work |
| 22:59.36 | miken0123 | The strace -e didnot seem to work. The game is actually lletters - and it seems to fail with -EEAGAIN (resource temporarily unavallable) |
| 22:59.40 | tam | The_Vulture: that _i_ can't get it to work |
| 22:59.46 | tam | The_Vulture: like i says, i've tryed that |
| 22:59.52 | mool | brc007: cool, didn't check that link. Thanks |
| 23:00.01 | brc007 | mono problem |
| 23:00.08 | brc007 | *mool: no problem |
| 23:00.14 | Annirak | I have a box with two NICs in it. I want to send data from one NIC to the other to make sure that both are working (there isn't a simpler way of doing this in this case). How would I go about forcing the kernel to actually use the NIC? I've even tried sending to the MAC address of one interface from the other, but if I then remove the ethernet cable, it still gets the data. Is there any way I can force the kernel to send out over ethernet? |
| 23:00.40 | *** join/#debian claudio_ (~claudio@red165-162.manquehue.net) |
| 23:00.40 | The_Vulture | tam: how very specific, you know X isn't simple, there are lots of ways things can "not work", not necessarily related to the nvidia driver, have you checked the logs and actually figured out what XFree thinks the problem is? |
| 23:00.56 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (~thomas_ad@host217-42-203-182.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:01.14 | tam | The_Vulture: well, it gives all sorts of errors. i will try again right now |
| 23:01.26 | scsiprob | anyone installed an initio 9100U scsci card? |
| 23:01.42 | *** join/#debian debhelper (~debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 23:01.53 | _Hugo_ | Annirak : just a wild guess. ifconfig lo down ; route add [ipofsecondnic] eth0 (eth0 being the first) |
| 23:02.03 | *** join/#debian Walther (~john@24.87.197.155) |
| 23:02.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o debhelper] by ChanServ |
| 23:02.29 | _Hugo_ | Annirak : then ping specifing source ip |
| 23:02.29 | *** join/#debian tix64 (bob@myIP-N72-008.de.inter.net) |
| 23:02.36 | lucas | hiyas, i ran an 'apt-get update' and retrieved a broken package list, my system now wants to upgrade to versions that don't seem to be available yet... how can i get rid of my package lists so I can update and upgrade from another mirror? |
| 23:02.46 | *** join/#debian don_inlab (~don@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 23:02.49 | *** join/#debian ClintZ28 (~clint@rrcs-sw-24-173-73-254.biz.rr.com) |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#debian mirak_ (~mirak@ip-88.net-81-220-104.nantes.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 23:02.54 | miken0123 | quit |
| 23:02.56 | The_Vulture | lucas: just change your sources.list to a different mirror and apt-get update again |
| 23:02.57 | tam | apt 1024 * 32 |
| 23:02.58 | | 32768 |
| 23:03.01 | tam | thanks |
| 23:03.02 | claudio_ | i've a extrange problem with nat and dhcp |
| 23:03.16 | *** join/#debian crunchaven (dirc@Guelph-ppp113495.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:03.17 | mirak_ | is there an equivalent to the xmove programm used allong X ? |
| 23:03.46 | Annirak | _hugo_ I tried that, but after removing the ethernet cable, it still sent and recieved data. |
| 23:04.10 | lucas | The_Vulture, yeah i tried that but it seems as though it won't replace higher version numbers with lower ones... unless all three mirrors i've tried are borked... |
| 23:04.13 | dondelelcaro | mirak_: no, there's no equivalent to xmove. xmove does what its supposed to do (although, it really should support sockets.) |
| 23:04.45 | claudio_ | i'm sharing a internet connection with a debian server to 14 debian clients |
| 23:04.47 | *** join/#debian promnl (~chris@62.234.84.189) |
| 23:05.05 | claudio_ | using iptables and dhcp |
| 23:05.18 | The_Vulture | lucas: sounds about right, switch to a mirror with the recent versions on it, I usually use an australian mirror , but when it's synching I just switch to the us |
| 23:05.23 | *** join/#debian jhansk01 (~jhansk01@bgp01034173bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:05.29 | UltraSub | hmm.. trying to get mrtg to work here |
| 23:05.31 | *** join/#debian axk (~frnz@adsl-236-96.37-151.net24.it) |
| 23:05.34 | UltraSub | when running cfgmaker: |
| 23:05.35 | UltraSub | SNMP Error: |
| 23:05.35 | UltraSub | no response received |
| 23:05.41 | *** join/#debian inomine (~lorealis@81-86-245-42.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:05.41 | lucas | The_Vulture, yeah ok i'll try that |
| 23:05.43 | *** join/#debian Jeedo (~Ofurfluga@adsl6-56.simnet.is) |
| 23:05.51 | UltraSub | how the hell do i get snmp support on my box? :) |
| 23:05.52 | _Hugo_ | UltraSub: what are you connecting to? |
| 23:05.57 | Jeedo | does resize2fs - ext2 file system resizer resize ext3 too? |
| 23:06.02 | _Hugo_ | UltraSub: install snmpd ? |
| 23:06.13 | UltraSub | hmm... gonna try |
| 23:06.34 | UltraSub | ah |
| 23:06.38 | UltraSub | tried net-snmp |
| 23:06.39 | _Hugo_ | UltraSub: package is called a bit different, ucd-snmpd or something like that |
| 23:06.45 | UltraSub | but couldn't find that one |
| 23:06.54 | *** part/#debian Annirak (~Annirak@h2-cpe102.insinc.com) |
| 23:06.56 | *** join/#debian Spec (Spec@washdc3-ar5-4-64-184-239.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 23:07.02 | asg | UltraSub: apt-cache search <keywords> (will help you narrow things down in the future) |
| 23:07.03 | claudio_ | when I do a "telnet mail.manquehue.net 25" i got a timed out in some computers of the network |
| 23:07.06 | *** join/#debian sgeigerbot (~user@h113.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net) |
| 23:07.07 | UltraSub | snmpd does: |
| 23:07.08 | UltraSub | libsensors2 libsnmp-base libsnmp5 snmpd |
| 23:07.11 | funnyguy | UltraSub : install net-snmpd i think |
| 23:07.12 | UltraSub | so it finds it... |
| 23:07.13 | Spec | ~sound |
| 23:07.15 | | audio is probably To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 23:07.17 | claudio_ | but only in some computers |
| 23:07.18 | dondelelcaro | UltraSub: are you actually using this with a SNMP device? |
| 23:07.22 | mirak_ | dondelelcaro: why such a feature is not implemented in X ? |
| 23:07.33 | dondelelcaro | mirak_: because X doesn't need the feature. |
| 23:07.35 | claudio_ | anybody knows how can I fix it? |
| 23:07.39 | UltraSub | installing snmpd now guys |
| 23:07.43 | UltraSub | thnx for the tip :) |
| 23:07.44 | *** join/#debian KR (~krrt@cae31-210-009.sc.rr.com) |
| 23:07.49 | *** part/#debian Spec (Spec@washdc3-ar5-4-64-184-239.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 23:07.52 | tarzeau | who is using windowmaker ? |
| 23:07.59 | *** join/#debian spenerc (~spenerc@N552P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 23:08.00 | dondelelcaro | mirak_: any time you can separate a feature out into a separate unit, you generally want to do that. |
| 23:08.03 | *** join/#debian trondaso (~trondaso@213.234.104.209.adsl.oeke.tiscali.no) |
| 23:08.10 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 23:08.15 | tarzeau | the window maker developer with photo: http://www.gozer.org/window_maker/irc/mrbrocoli |
| 23:08.18 | mirak_ | dondelelcaro: beeing able to switch of terminal without loosing the session is usefull |
| 23:08.31 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: ok sorry |
| 23:08.42 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Don't apologize for being stupid. Just be stupid. The Being-Stupid-And-Apologize-For-Being-Stupid Protocol v. 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Being-Stupid Protocol. |
| 23:08.46 | *** part/#debian Jeedo (~Ofurfluga@adsl6-56.simnet.is) |
| 23:08.57 | *** join/#debian pmcalpin (~pmcalpin@CPE0050baab42c9-CM014480102454.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:08.58 | *** join/#debian schlumpf2 (~vx_schlum@dsl-213-023-049-182.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:09.02 | dondelelcaro | mirak_: well, for CLI stuff, screen does that well. But as far as whole sessions, xmove is the way to go. |
| 23:09.05 | mirak_ | dondelelcaro: at least I would use it :) |
| 23:09.10 | pmcalpin | what command could I use to find what package a certain file belongs to? |
| 23:09.15 | mirak_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:09.18 | asg | pmcalpin: apt-file |
| 23:09.18 | dondelelcaro | pmcalpin: dpkg -S |
| 23:09.26 | sgeigerbot | pmcalpin: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 23:09.28 | pmcalpin | thanks |
| 23:09.47 | sgeigerbot | pmcalpin: Btw, yet another answer: dlocate |
| 23:10.02 | KR | here's a couple questions in one: I did a net install - it took forever - is this usual? that was a few weeks ago - could someone forward a link to testing or unstable netinstall ISO"s? Thanks! |
| 23:10.14 | KR | current link - sry |
| 23:10.30 | funnyguy | lol |
| 23:10.33 | funnyguy | apt-get intro |
| 23:10.34 | asg | KR: normal if your bandwidth is limited or you are using a slow mirror |
| 23:10.35 | pmcalpin | i've been using debian for a few years now, and I've only ever used apt-get and dpkg... are there significant advantages to using dselect? is it worth the effort to figure out? |
| 23:10.40 | *** join/#debian Francisco (Frankonias@200.93.4.202) |
| 23:10.50 | Francisco | hello guys !!! |
| 23:10.53 | KR | broadband - took 12 hours |
| 23:10.55 | funnyguy | KR: some mirrors are slow |
| 23:10.58 | dondelelcaro | KR: just use a stable netinst iso, and change the sources to unstable once you've got base installed. |
| 23:11.00 | asg | Francisco: some of us are cats; otherwise, hello |
| 23:11.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
| 23:11.08 | UltraSub | hmm... now when running cfgmaker, im getting response from snmpd |
| 23:11.12 | KR | ok thx all |
| 23:11.12 | UltraSub | but now i get: error status: noSuchName |
| 23:11.13 | Francisco | i thought penguins !!! |
| 23:11.16 | funnyguy | KR: using ftp.us.debian.org is typically good for north american connections |
| 23:11.44 | Francisco | how hard is debian compared to redhat for a person that has no linux knowledge ? |
| 23:12.00 | *** join/#debian mbc (mbc@nurv.org) |
| 23:12.00 | _Hugo_ | anybody any info about the kernel DSA being delayed? it's been 11 hours now. I know it's not the right attitude, but I'm really considering getting some sleep first... |
| 23:12.03 | funnyguy | Francisco : debian is no more hard than Redhat |
| 23:12.03 | KR | will take the advice - I appreciate it |
| 23:12.17 | funnyguy | Francisco : it is just a different approach |
| 23:12.18 | dondelelcaro | _Hugo_: it usually takes ~ 24 hours. |
| 23:12.20 | sgeigerbot | I'm trying to get a USB keychain-type drive to mount under my new 2.6 kernel. I was able to mount it with "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1" but I can't even get something to show up in syslog when I plug it in. I've verified that I have the newest hotplug and hotplug utils. I've greped my .config for USB and hotplug and ide and couldn't figure out what if anything was missing. Any ideas would be helpful. |
| 23:12.35 | *** join/#debian Official_Idler (~killerbyt@dsl-082-082-064-121.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:12.37 | *** join/#debian wobbler (~wobbler@216.163.103.105) |
| 23:12.42 | sgeigerbot | When I try to mount the device, I get: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 23:12.54 | tam | stupid question: if i can't get X to work as a display can i forward X ? |
| 23:13.01 | funnyguy | Francisco : RedHAt/Fedora gear toward a point and click we'll choose the software for you out of the box method |
| 23:13.02 | tam | i reckon the answer is no, but just incase :-/ |
| 23:13.11 | _Hugo_ | dondelelcaro : serious? I recommended debian some year ago because they ahd their patches faster than RedHat & co |
| 23:13.14 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: does it show up in /dev/scsi/scsi? [you have sg, right?] |
| 23:13.15 | sgeigerbot | I even loaded ide_cs...but that didn't help. |
| 23:13.32 | Francisco | funnyguy : so what's better ? |
| 23:13.34 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: No. |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#debian Ubel (~jonorn@194-144-42-191.xdsl.is) |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#debian irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-85.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:13.35 | asg | tam: yes, you can run x programs via SSH on a system that is running X |
| 23:13.40 | dondelelcaro | _Hugo_: we do add our patches faster. 24 hours is blazingly fast to build packages on all of the architectures that we support. |
| 23:13.49 | hacim | what is an common workaround for dealing with versioned provides? |
| 23:13.53 | funnyguy | Francisco : debian allows an enlless amount of possibilities to setting up a system, but a newbie won't be reading their email in their new email reader in an hour or 2 |
| 23:13.55 | droopy_ | sgeigerbot just got one of those too am using it as encrypted loop device for my ~/ you know there scsi right |
| 23:14.10 | claudio_ | hello, i'm trying to connect to a smtp server outside of a debian intranet, when I do a telnet servername 25, i can only connect from some computers, others computers do timed out... anybody knows how can I fix it? |
| 23:14.11 | tam | asg: OK thanks |
| 23:14.16 | dondelelcaro | hacim: backporting the packages appropriately. |
| 23:14.18 | funnyguy | Francisco : i use debian, only |
| 23:14.31 | streuner | tarzeau: look at this :-) http://www.gozer.org/window_maker/irc/tarzeau |
| 23:14.34 | funnyguy | Francisco : but I start with RedHAt (3.0?) |
| 23:14.35 | asg | tam: a la. ssh -X me@box xterm |
| 23:14.40 | tam | asg: evolution:1003): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: <--- it's a start... |
| 23:14.41 | tarzeau | streuner: i know that! |
| 23:14.42 | hacim | dondelelcaro: What do you mean? |
| 23:14.59 | Francisco | fuunyguy : ook, i was looking at Lindows as well but i guess not too many people like it |
| 23:15.09 | asg | tam: the '-X' is important (make sure the server sshd is configured to munge remote X requests too) |
| 23:15.19 | thomas_adam | yawn |
| 23:15.21 | _Hugo_ | dondelelcaro : in the dobrk() hole-case, x86 packages were pre-released, which was nice |
| 23:15.22 | Francisco | i have not heard anything in the forums for Lindows: ( i was told it was based on debian ) |
| 23:15.29 | asg | tam: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 23:15.30 | thomas_adam | Francisco: LOL |
| 23:15.37 | tam | asg: OK thanks |
| 23:15.39 | funnyguy | tam: make sure the sshd_config allows X forwarding and that the core xlibs and utils are installed ont he server |
| 23:15.40 | _Hugo_ | claudio_ : maybe the remote mailserver has a connectionlimit from 1 ip? |
| 23:15.45 | *** join/#debian irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-85.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:15.48 | *** join/#debian Bazz (~nick@fw.cerisent.com) |
| 23:15.51 | dondelelcaro | _Hugo_: yes, they probably will be pre-released, but I'm not sure if someone has ported the patch to 2.4.18 right now. |
| 23:16.01 | Bazz | is there a good document somewhere about how to create a configure file to generate makefiles |
| 23:16.07 | pattieja | anybody know if there are deb's for the InterMezzo project? |
| 23:16.09 | dondelelcaro | _Hugo_: moreover, there are 3 kernel versions that are vulnerable, 2 of which we distribute. |
| 23:16.14 | funnyguy | Francisco : it is loosely based on dcebian in that is shares it style of package management |
| 23:16.16 | cef | claudio_: check the non-working boxes to see if they've got tcp_ecn turned on ( cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn ) - mainly 2.4.19+ and 2.6 kernels tho if you're running non-debian kernels (eg: SuSE or RH) it could be there too. |
| 23:16.17 | thomas_adam | Bazz: autoconf |
| 23:16.27 | Francisco | thomas_adam : ????? |
| 23:16.31 | dondelelcaro | _Hugo_: regardless, if you want to help with security, feel free. They always need more talented people. |
| 23:16.39 | Bazz | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 23:17.03 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I know you can do a dpkg --force-depends, but I'm wondering if there is an easier way for end users who dont know much about debian's package system |
| 23:17.06 | dondelelcaro | hacim: oh, you're talking about Provides: Foo (someversion) not versioned dependencies... |
| 23:17.06 | _Hugo_ | dondelelcaro : i'd love to, the only problem is i'm not talented :) |
| 23:17.08 | thomas_adam | Bazz: that is just a part of it, mind. |
| 23:17.09 | claudio_ | _Hugo_: I can connect from 8 computers |
| 23:17.20 | _Hugo_ | claudio_ : at the same time? |
| 23:17.22 | Bazz | thomas_adam: yeah... i guess i'll have to learn to write configure.ac files |
| 23:17.22 | *** join/#debian FB (~toaster@200.165.137.90) |
| 23:17.30 | Bazz | thomas_adam: you happen to have a reference for that? |
| 23:17.40 | *** part/#debian simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.usercloak.freenode) |
| 23:17.40 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah versioned provides |
| 23:17.41 | cef | claudio_: just 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn to turn it off for a test. to turn it off at boot, put the line 'net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 0' in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:17.42 | *** join/#debian simonrvn (simon@simonrvn.usercloak.freenode) |
| 23:17.49 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 23:17.51 | asg | claudio_: are *all* the systems identically configured? |
| 23:17.53 | *** join/#debian Bloed (bloed@D5E0793D.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 23:18.13 | Bazz | thomas_adam: nm, i found it |
| 23:18.16 | Bazz | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 23:18.23 | KR | Francisco - I have been playing with a Debian-based distro named Mepis - it is easy, you may want to try that - it is a LiveCD *or* install-to-hard-drive distro, has easy setup |
| 23:18.23 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: that exploit was found in 2.4.23 too? |
| 23:18.27 | thomas_adam | Bazz: yw |
| 23:18.30 | claudio_ | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn 1 |
| 23:18.33 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: yes,and patched |
| 23:18.55 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: its in all kernel versions... |
| 23:18.56 | cef | claudio_: looks like ecn on some of the boxes.. |
| 23:18.58 | hacim | dondelelcaro: say you need version 0.2.1 rather than 0.3, like libercesicu1 provides libxerces1, but xalan depends on a particular version of libxerces1. Unless libxercesicu1 has a version provides, it is impossible to install ibxercesicu1 if you want a package that depends on libxerces1. |
| 23:19.01 | KR | Francisco - you can boot the CD, and if all your hardware is working well, it only takes a couple of clicks to install it all the way |
| 23:19.08 | asg | simonrvn: time to crank up your gcc :) |
| 23:19.14 | simonrvn | oh wonderful... |
| 23:19.23 | claudio_ | asg: no, this is the problem |
| 23:19.24 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: gcc's a bit rusty, today |
| 23:19.38 | dondelelcaro | hacim: the newer versions of dpkg do allow for versioned provides using Provides: libxerces1 (= 0.3) |
| 23:19.58 | dondelelcaro | hacim: iirc, non-versioned provides should be able to satisfy versioned dependencies, but I'm not certain of that. |
| 23:20.05 | *** join/#debian terr (~terr@dsl-cap-208-38-10-7-cgy.nucleus.com) |
| 23:20.05 | asg | claudio_: it would be very helpful if you could isolate what changes you made to the systems that don't work (which are not present on the ones that do) |
| 23:20.08 | PepeRene | somiaj_: can go into the redhat dirs when started from knoppixDebian; it' is not the hard disk |
| 23:20.08 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah, a few months back versioned provides was not supported in dpkg |
| 23:20.11 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: i've been doing almost nothing but that lately, compiling kernels. it get old... |
| 23:20.12 | *** join/#debian sylwia (~sylwia@w3cache.swit.futuro.pl) |
| 23:20.16 | PepeRene | What is wrong in my lilo.conf(2)? Next to my working KnoppixDebian on /dev/sdb1 I needed and restored from tape my old RedHat5.0 on /dev/sda1. But the rattling hard disk hangs with black screen... |
| 23:20.20 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: :) |
| 23:20.24 | DjMadness|BNC | thx for the mlp m8īs |
| 23:20.28 | DjMadness|BNC | hlp* |
| 23:20.34 | terr | does anyone have any experiance formatting SCSI MO disks? |
| 23:20.52 | sylwia | czy ktos mowi tu po polsku? |
| 23:21.08 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah, I'm trying to find how an end-user can deal with it. |
| 23:21.08 | asg | sylwia: #debian.pl or #debian-pl |
| 23:21.11 | _Hugo_ | PepeRene : sounds like a bootloader (lilo?) problem |
| 23:21.27 | *** join/#debian JuanValdez (~knoppix@c-65-97-10-225.va.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:21.32 | terr | PepeRene did you rebuild a kernel - or replace a kernel image? |
| 23:21.36 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I understand that there is a common workaround that is easy to apply and doesn't require manual intervention from the user |
| 23:21.43 | hacim | dondelelcaro: but I dontk know what it is |
| 23:21.45 | dondelelcaro | hacim: anyway, the right way to do this is to have xalan depend on libxerces1 (=foo)|libercesicu1 (=bar) |
| 23:21.48 | PepeRene | _Hugo_: lilo loads my KnoppixDebian fine |
| 23:21.52 | *** join/#debian ClintZ28 (~clint@rrcs-sw-24-173-73-254.biz.rr.com) |
| 23:22.11 | *** join/#debian Caelum (~rkitover@h-66-167-207-243.SNVACAID.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 23:22.23 | terr | PepeRene how are you trying to boot the other kernel? |
| 23:22.27 | *** join/#debian tvn (~tvn@pcp01464214pcs.lpaxtn01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.29 | *** part/#debian JuanValdez (~knoppix@c-65-97-10-225.va.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:22.31 | tam | asg: that is not working :( i tryed a echo $DISPLAY and that returns nothing...so i guess my screen is guffed |
| 23:22.38 | *** join/#debian Ecnassianer (ecna@crown-7-65.resnet.ucsc.edu) |
| 23:23.00 | dondelelcaro | hacim: at least until a dpkg that supports versioned provides gets out of experimental and into stable (probably even oldstable... ;-)) |
| 23:23.09 | asg | tam: hmmm, it should. Did you enable the X Forwarding on the server daemon (and restart it?) |
| 23:23.28 | *** join/#debian sebastian- (~sn@200.72.176.194) |
| 23:23.43 | sylwia | Can sb tell mi sth about irc? |
| 23:23.43 | PepeRene | terr: KnoppixDebian boots fine from lilo; old (restored) redhat5.0 doesn't |
| 23:23.50 | asg | !+irc |
| 23:23.51 | tam | asg: yup |
| 23:23.52 | *** join/#debian Erik2_ (~ericg@gateway.conceptid.ca) |
| 23:24.01 | *** join/#debian Bangz-work (~Bangers@203.27.107.170) |
| 23:24.08 | asg | tam: did you also use 'ssh -X me@remote' ? |
| 23:24.16 | tam | asg: yes. |
| 23:24.33 | Erik2_ | What is the type of a rescue disk? I try to mount my rescue disk to see what is on this disk... and I don't succeed. |
| 23:24.33 | terr | PepeRene Ok - so you restored RH from say a tape to scsi disk 1 I presume. What was RH running on B4? |
| 23:24.35 | _Hugo_msgmeifdsa | <-- message me if dsa released, maybe i'll wake up and get to fix some boxes :) |
| 23:24.37 | asg | tam: hmmm, something is buggered; try ssh -vv (and get some debugging output) |
| 23:24.45 | tam | asg: tam@fresh:~$ xclock |
| 23:24.45 | tam | Error: Can't open display: |
| 23:25.24 | *** join/#debian paul___ (~paul@i-195-137-114-193.freedom2surf.net) |
| 23:25.28 | asg | tam: you do have X working on the machine your are sshing from right? |
| 23:25.58 | terr | tarn - you need to do an ssh -X foo to connect to foo |
| 23:26.00 | *** join/#debian linuxfreck (~chris@pD954132C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:26.01 | *** part/#debian KR (~krrt@cae31-210-009.sc.rr.com) |
| 23:26.05 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 23:26.08 | tam | asg: the one i want X working from is the one i can't get X working on locally |
| 23:26.10 | asg | !botsnack |
| 23:26.16 | dpkg | asg: :) |
| 23:26.17 | *** part/#debian MikeN (mike@zeus.ipv6.normi.net) |
| 23:26.19 | *** join/#debian MasterRa (~masterra@pcp04297332pcs.7acres01.ar.comcast.net) |
| 23:26.31 | asg | tam: right, but the machine your sshing from? that does have X working on it right? |
| 23:26.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: chomped on too many factoids |
| 23:26.51 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: buggy coding |
| 23:27.02 | tam | asg: nope. |
| 23:27.10 | Erik2_ | You ou? |
| 23:27.21 | *** join/#debian psycose (psycose@d213-103-28-36.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 23:27.22 | terr | PepeRene - are you here? I'm sitting here waiting for an answer to the question I asked |
| 23:27.24 | psycose | hi |
| 23:27.26 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: probably, but the whole bot just stopped in midair... |
| 23:27.33 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I jest :) |
| 23:27.38 | *** join/#debian aton` (aton@81.2.159.250) |
| 23:27.41 | tam | asg: debian is the one running kernel 2.6 which i can't startx from. redhat is the box with X which i want to run programs from debian on over ssh -X. |
| 23:27.55 | psycose | i do no why seens few days my clock is not up to date ... always late .... how can i fix it ? |
| 23:27.58 | asg | tam: this is how it works: client (with X) -> server (w/o X but some x programs). me@client$ ssh -X me@server xterm |
| 23:28.19 | tam | asg: heh that is what i am doing |
| 23:28.30 | asg | tam: okay, something is really frobbed :) |
| 23:28.42 | terr | tarn - I run X apps from my redhat server on hte debian machine all the time. Works fine. |
| 23:28.45 | asg | tam: did you get the debug output? ssh -Xvv me@server? |
| 23:28.47 | MasterRa | kind of a dumb question, but if i *accidentally* (heh) deleted /dev/psaux, how would i go about getting it back? something simple, or should i read up on it? |
| 23:28.47 | tam | asg: heh |
| 23:28.53 | tam | asg: yes |
| 23:29.07 | thomas_adam | MasterRa: run /sbin/makedev |
| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | MasterRa: man MAKEDEV |
| 23:29.15 | terr | trn - you'll nned an uptodate ssh on hte redhat machine... check the version |
| 23:29.16 | thomas_adam | MasterRa: with the appropriate option |
| 23:29.17 | asg | tam: k, I've got to jet for dinner; I'm sure someone else can help (bbl) |
| 23:29.17 | tam | asg: do you mind joining #flood and i will paste a few lines? |
| 23:29.25 | terr | PepeRene - are you here? I'm sitting here waiting for an answer to the question I asked |
| 23:29.25 | thomas_adam | asg: ttfn |
| 23:29.27 | MasterRa | thomas_adam: thanks, most likely exacly what i needed. |
| 23:29.32 | thomas_adam | MasterRa: yw |
| 23:29.32 | tam | asg: OK thanks for the help. |
| 23:29.33 | MasterRa | dondelelcaro: thanks as well. |
| 23:29.34 | LonelyOne | psycose: install ntpdate and regurlarly sync it over the net .. or just look at man date and man hwclock |
| 23:29.43 | thomas_adam | MasterRa: ignore dondelelcaro, he is my echo :) |
| 23:29.47 | dondelelcaro | MasterRa: np |
| 23:29.52 | psycose | thanks LonelyOne |
| 23:29.54 | terr | I hate it when ppl ask a quesion and then bugger off |
| 23:30.06 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: well, 'cept for the fact that its /sbin/MAKDEV, not /sbin/makedev... |
| 23:30.07 | Erik2_ | What is the type of a rescue disk? I try to mount my rescue disk to see what is on this disk... and I don't succeed. |
| 23:30.09 | dondelelcaro | s/MAK/MAKE/ |
| 23:30.40 | *** join/#debian cramm (~cramm@host204.200-43-167.telecom.net.ar) |
| 23:30.41 | terr | I need help making a file system on a disk. Any experts here? |
| 23:30.49 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I have mine symlinked for some weird reason |
| 23:30.49 | *** join/#debian synic|home (~synic@65-100-210-193.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:31.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 681] by debhelper |
| 23:31.08 | MasterRa | thomas_adam: heh.. well, actually, got some other probs really.. i accidentally deleted /dev/psaux while trying to get the bloody 2.6.0-test9 kernel image to run X - it just keeps climaing my mouse doesn't exist.. |
| 23:31.13 | azreal | terr: whats so hard about makeing a filesystem? |
| 23:31.17 | *** join/#debian siar (~MaX@h24-79-77-20.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 23:31.18 | *** join/#debian netbrain (~netbrain@ti300710a061-0245.dialup.online.no) |
| 23:31.39 | psycose | LonelyOne and you know secure ntp time server ? |
| 23:31.46 | terr | azreal well - I want a fat16 and it fails all the time. |
| 23:32.09 | terr | io:/home/terr/tt# mkdosfs -c /dev/sda |
| 23:32.09 | terr | mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001) |
| 23:32.09 | terr | mkdosfs: Will not try to make filesystem on '/dev/sda' |
| 23:32.10 | hacim | MasterRa: just recreate it |
| 23:32.20 | *** join/#debian miken0123 (~abcd@pcp02639797pcs.lambrv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:32.28 | terr | azreal small paste for you - 3 lines |
| 23:32.34 | simonrvn | soo, does anyone know where to get a patch against that mremap thingy? |
| 23:32.49 | hacim | simonrvn: it is easy to make one from the kernel.org patch to 2.4 |
| 23:32.52 | LonelyOne | psycose: you'll have to search for some close to you, in your country. use google, you'll find many |
| 23:32.53 | hacim | simonrvn: 2.4.24 |
| 23:33.00 | simonrvn | ok, thanks |
| 23:33.05 | miken0123 | After signing on to the GUI how can to become root to run some commands like the Control Center etc |
| 23:33.13 | azreal | terr: maybe the fs is too big for fat16 |
| 23:33.16 | dondelelcaro | miken0123: open a term, and run su |
| 23:33.19 | thomas_adam | miken0123: apt-get install gksu |
| 23:33.21 | hacim | simonrvn: just grab the patch (it is small), cut out all the driver/netfilter things, and leave in the mremap block, and you are set |
| 23:33.23 | terr | azreal 640MB |
| 23:33.33 | azreal | terr: umm, /dev/sda? |
| 23:33.36 | twiztar | terr: you should partition the disk first shouldn't you ? |
| 23:33.52 | MasterRa | terr: yeah, you probly want a partition on there.. |
| 23:34.01 | LonelyOne | psycose: psycose you can use ntp.via.ecp.fr :) |
| 23:34.02 | twiztar | terr: make a primary partition marked as fat16 (sda1) and try to format that |
| 23:34.12 | azreal | terr: it would be /dev/sda(something) not just /dev/sda, for instance /dev/sda1 |
| 23:34.14 | terr | twiztar I checked the partition tabel it said there was one there - so I deleted it and rebuitl it nad fdisk seemd happy (didn't bitch) |
| 23:34.32 | twiztar | try formatting sda1 then |
| 23:34.36 | terr | azreal no - its /dev/sda - I've used the device several times today |
| 23:34.43 | azreal | terr: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 23:35.12 | azreal | terr: your wrong |
| 23:35.25 | psycose | thanks LonelyOne see u |
| 23:35.47 | terr | azreal - how am I worng? (not arguing - asking) |
| 23:36.32 | freyr | anyone know of a good site for getting information about how to buy a good computer these days? Its been soooo long. Last motherboard I bought was when AGP first came out. |
| 23:36.37 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 23:36.39 | terr | azreal - I just posted fdisk output in #flood |
| 23:37.13 | terr | Freyr just get a high end athalon - forget intel |
| 23:37.20 | azreal | terr: /dev/sda is the name of the first scsi disk drive, you need to partition said disk, after doing so, you have primary and extended partitions, /dev/sda1 would be 1st partition, 1st scsi drive. |
| 23:37.20 | *** join/#debian topgun98 (~topgun98@adslct35.cofs.net) |
| 23:37.32 | azreal | terr: im not on #flood, so |
| 23:37.36 | *** join/#debian troubled (nobody@platform.usercloak.freenode) |
| 23:37.44 | topgun98 | does the install kernel support ReiserFS? |
| 23:37.45 | *** join/#debian Becca (~becca@HSE-Montreal-ppp3467824.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:37.46 | terr | azreal ok. I follow you completely |
| 23:38.02 | freyr | terr: http://www.icct.ca/OnlineShop/Select.asp?Category=Best%20Package Anything wrong with that? |
| 23:38.05 | bob2 | topgun98: read the damn install guide. |
| 23:38.15 | topgun98 | bob2: ok. |
| 23:38.16 | PepeRene | terr: sorry, I was away for a moment; I restored RH on sda (with sda1 as root) |
| 23:38.17 | freyr | terr: I mean the GRAND XP package |
| 23:38.25 | terr | azreal - however I _could_ and still can mount the disks as /dev/sda - is it possible this is in a superfloppy format? |
| 23:38.41 | terr | PepeRene what kind of disk was RH running on b4? |
| 23:38.50 | azreal | terr: no idea |
| 23:38.58 | Bangz-work | anyone know if its possible to make grub using diskless support recognise a intel 1000mbit card? there only seems to be support for intel pro/100 |
| 23:39.09 | Becca | I'm having a mouse problem. I have a Dell by Microsoft (its the only mouse I had) IntelliMouse compliant mouse running from /dev/psaux w/ ImPS/2 with XAxisMapping set to 4 5. The mouse likes to jump, call windows up onto the screen randomly and otherwise cause troubles. Any suggestions/ideas on how to fix this? |
| 23:39.16 | PepeRene | terr: I restored it on the same disk as before: sda (with sda1 as root) |
| 23:39.20 | *** join/#debian gungnir (~gungnir@034.b.008.mel.iprimus.net.au) |
| 23:39.25 | *** join/#debian lewis (~lewis@81-86-161-192.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:39.25 | *** join/#debian Jacobo221 (~Jacobo@80.224.221.80) |
| 23:39.29 | lewis | hey - anyone know exim config? |
| 23:39.35 | lewis | 1. I want to organise rules so that 'something@something2.com' goes to one user's mbox, and 'something5@something6.com' goes to another user's mbox... 2. I want anything that doesn't fall under the #1 rule to go to a third user's mbox |
| 23:39.35 | *** part/#debian Jacobo221 (~Jacobo@80.224.221.80) |
| 23:39.37 | freyr | terr: do you need to worry about motherboards these days or are they all the same now? |
| 23:39.39 | azreal | lewis: a bit |
| 23:39.39 | terr | azreal these disks _can_ be in a super floppy format. I actually suspect it is - they come typically pre-formatted - on this one I think the format was fucked by winders. |
| 23:40.11 | tam | asg: got it to work. i edited /etc/ssh/ssh_config not sshd_config...thanks for your help |
| 23:40.20 | azreal | terr: fdisk -l will list partitions on disk, run fdisk again and fix it if its fucked up |
| 23:40.41 | terr | PepeRene RH usually does NOT have a module for the SCSI controller - it gets it from the RD file... You need to look at initrd and verify you have the proper version of the SCSI driver in that file. |
| 23:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 675] by debhelper |
| 23:41.14 | terr | axreal - Hmm - I already did that. Bu I am getting an idea here. Check this... |
| 23:41.21 | terr | io:/home/terr/tt# mkdosfs -I -c /dev/sda |
| 23:41.21 | terr | mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001) |
| 23:41.21 | terr | mkdosfs: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 23:41.32 | *** join/#debian xmixahlx (~xmixahlx@12-211-81-249.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:41.40 | Bangz-work | can someone help me patch source code? I have grub 0.93 source and need to add e1000 support |
| 23:41.53 | Bangz-work | the patch is here, btu im not sure what to do with it |
| 23:41.53 | Bangz-work | http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-03/msg00051.html |
| 23:41.55 | terr | azreal this is the way I _think_ it should be formatted... this is a superfloppy format. man says it will force proper operation |
| 23:41.58 | *** part/#debian lewis (~lewis@81-86-161-192.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:42.29 | azreal | terr: i dunno anything about that, i do know that trying to format /dev/sda isnt going to work |
| 23:42.31 | *** join/#debian difeta (~difeta@12-211-68-89.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:42.47 | terr | PepeRene pardon - its mkinitrd that you need to read - its the initrd file that is possible containing the wrong module version |
| 23:43.19 | *** join/#debian toni (~toni@adsl-ull-82-233.42-151.net24.it) |
| 23:43.32 | freyr | anyone suggest a nice gaming video card thats well supported with linux? I know its ati or nvidia I think. But which is better? |
| 23:43.44 | toni | hi everybody, how can i setup boosplash support in grub (woody)??! thanks |
| 23:43.52 | tarzeau | nvidia has no free drivers for fast 3d games |
| 23:43.54 | *** join/#debian kandinski (~knoppix@62.151.232.245) |
| 23:43.59 | tarzeau | freyr: you can play nethack with any card |
| 23:43.59 | terr | azreal - fdisk ignores /dev/fda it seems |
| 23:44.02 | difeta | hey all. I have a server with user accounts on it. Im trying to use nfs to use the home direcotry on the server on my workstation. I can mount, but user permissions are not preserved. Any ideas? |
| 23:44.26 | bda | You have to mirror UID and GIDs with NFS. |
| 23:44.36 | bda | eg, the users have to exist on all machines you're mounting the share on. |
| 23:44.51 | kandinski | hey everyone |
| 23:44.55 | *** join/#debian Guest17932 (crunk48616@pa9.swiecie.sdi.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:45.00 | bda | If you mean actual perms, look at no_root_squash. |
| 23:45.19 | difeta | bda, i dont have every user on my workstation as my server. but i have two that are the same. does that matter? |
| 23:45.32 | *** part/#debian Guest17932 (crunk48616@pa9.swiecie.sdi.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:45.35 | *** join/#debian mush (~geordie@h24-207-8-80.cst.dccnet.com) |
| 23:45.37 | kandinski | I have a problem with dial-up connectivity |
| 23:45.45 | bob2 | difeta: use LDAP or NIS. otherwise it will be PAINFUL. |
| 23:45.49 | *** join/#debian quaqo (~quaqo@62-101-126-232.fastres.net) |
| 23:45.51 | terr | difeta I suspect you just need to ensure the user adn group ID numbers match |
| 23:45.56 | bda | If the two are the same (UID, GID) you should see ownerships being passed correctly. |
| 23:45.56 | Becca | Question - How do I force X to screw my old configuration file and overwrite it, regardless of the fact I've made changes to it? |
| 23:46.02 | bda | If the UID/GID mismatch, you'll have problems. |
| 23:46.02 | bda | shrug. |
| 23:46.07 | bob2 | Bangz-work: get the Debian source package. cd to the dir. "cat patch_file | patch -p1" |
| 23:46.21 | Becca | Its been giving me a "this file has been modified so therefore will not save configuration" error. |
| 23:46.28 | difeta | bda, i see ok thanks. |
| 23:46.30 | kandinski | yesterday I apt-getted (got?) upgraded and today modem didn't work. I am running Sid. I know it is a software problem because with a Knoppix everything works ok. |
| 23:46.30 | bob2 | Becca: purge and reinstall xserver-xfree86 or read the config file header |
| 23:46.39 | difeta | bob2, how would ldap help me in this situation? |
| 23:46.52 | bda | LDAP doesn't help. Only hurts. :-) |
| 23:46.52 | terr | Becca typicall you can look in /etc/X11 blah and do it manually |
| 23:46.57 | kandinski | Can anyone tell me how to fix it? |
| 23:47.01 | kandinski | thanks in advance |
| 23:47.45 | bob2 | kandinski: how the fuck could anyone possible tell you how to fix it, based on so little information? |
| 23:47.53 | bob2 | kandinski: what's changed? what have you checked? |
| 23:48.02 | bob2 | difeta: so your uid's/usernames match up. |
| 23:48.13 | Becca | terr: My problem is manually i'm not sure what the correct setting is. I was hoping I could regenerate the XFree86-Config4 and then redit in the specialized junk for the laptop and tablet |
| 23:48.42 | Becca | I think I have a problem with my XAxisMapping numbers but I'm not sure exactly what is wrong with it to begin with ;/ |
| 23:48.53 | Becca | This mouse is a mouse from hell, however, so. |
| 23:48.57 | terr | Becca you _should_ be able to do this. try renaming it... I had to manually edit mine of course. |
| 23:48.59 | difeta | bob2 no |
| 23:49.09 | difeta | bob2 working on it now |
| 23:49.39 | kandinski | bob2: upgraded and modem doesn't work. Yesterday it did. I am connected with a knoppix so it is not a hardware problem. The only difference between yesterday and today is that I upgraded and rebooted. I am really new at this but willing to learn. What tests should I do? |
| 23:49.47 | Becca | I renamed XFree86-Config4 before. Then it threw a "screw you theres no file there" and refused to generate me a new one, so I restored the .bak, if thats what you mean? |
| 23:50.16 | bob2 | kandinski: nevermind |
| 23:50.21 | Becca | I've always had to manually edit mine too, but I was used to x being smart enough to overwrite the junk in the Config4 where anything I wanted to keep went below a certain marker in the file |
| 23:50.24 | bob2 | Becca: PURGE AND REINSTALL |
| 23:50.28 | bob2 | Becca: also, |
| 23:50.31 | bob2 | !+confmiss |
| 23:50.32 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. This is usually not the case.... |
| 23:51.01 | *** join/#debian pmcalpin (~pmcalpin@CPE0050baab42c9-CM014480102454.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:51.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 669] by debhelper |
| 23:51.12 | terr | Becca try renaming and doing a touch |
| 23:51.31 | *** join/#debian holycow (~rtaylor@h24-86-227-8.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 23:51.51 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.51 | dpkg | bob2: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:52.03 | *** join/#debian paq_ (~paq@203.130.197.226) |
| 23:52.06 | bob2 | dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xfree86_whatever.deb |
| 23:52.23 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 23:52.32 | simonrvn | dpkg shut up |
| 23:52.32 | dpkg | yes master |
| 23:52.40 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 23:52.58 | *** join/#debian AmOr (phils@202.133.207.23) |
| 23:53.00 | simonrvn | !no shut up is <reply>no, i won't. make me |
| 23:53.01 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:53.07 | simonrvn | :) |
| 23:53.15 | droopy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.26 | *** join/#debian netbrain (~netbrain@ti300710a061-0245.dialup.online.no) |
| 23:53.55 | *** join/#debian tempo (~tempo@66-108-17-218.nyc.rr.com) |
| 23:54.07 | PepeRene | terr: why should it have the wrong scsi hard disk module version when it has worked for years for me? |
| 23:54.23 | *** part/#debian trondaso (~trondaso@213.234.104.209.adsl.oeke.tiscali.no) |
| 23:54.25 | bob2 | kandinski: look at what packages changed. then look at what else changed. |
| 23:54.27 | *** join/#debian pat5star (~pat5star@DA-207164198.252.trytel.com) |
| 23:54.37 | *** join/#debian Aspect (aspect@adsl-64-170-12-7.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net) |
| 23:54.38 | bob2 | kandinski: new kernel? did it ask to modify any config files? is there anything in the bts atm? |
| 23:54.48 | tam | is there a better way than using bind so that i can set my machines to use only the ip's assign to them? |
| 23:55.04 | bob2 | tam: that's not what bind does. |
| 23:55.09 | bob2 | tempo: when? |
| 23:55.13 | bob2 | tempo: on join? |
| 23:55.15 | tempo | bob2, just now |
| 23:55.16 | *** join/#debian RabidWeezle (~gentoox@syr-24-59-167-151.twcny.rr.com) |
| 23:55.19 | *** part/#debian don_inlab (~don@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 23:55.22 | *** join/#debian don_inlab (~don@rzlab.ucr.edu) |
| 23:55.22 | tam | bob2: eek. i thought that is what it done :-/ |
| 23:55.23 | simonrvn | on join |
| 23:55.31 | *** part/#debian bob2 (rob@egads.ertius.org) |
| 23:55.32 | *** join/#debian bob2 (rob@egads.ertius.org) |
| 23:55.32 | tempo | bob2, yes on join |
| 23:55.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202.133.207.23] by simonrvn |
| 23:55.35 | *** part/#debian AmOr (phils@202.133.207.23) |
| 23:55.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 23:55.37 | bob2 | tempo: thanks. |
| 23:55.43 | RabidWeezle | hey, how can I install bzip2 with apt-get? |
| 23:55.53 | bob2 | hm, didn't spam me |
| 23:55.53 | tarzeau | RabidWeezle: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 23:55.58 | RabidWeezle | thanks |
| 23:56.01 | *** part/#debian azreal (azreal@209-193-9-57-cdsl-rb1.jnu.acsalaska.net) |
| 23:56.01 | *** join/#debian azreal (azreal@209-193-9-57-cdsl-rb1.jnu.acsalaska.net) |
| 23:56.02 | tempo | bob2, i got the msg Join in #Linux-Philippines |
| 23:56.06 | bob2 | tam: it lets you map ips to names and backwards again. |
| 23:56.34 | tam | bob2: ahhh...so would you know of any programs or how i can tell my machines to only accept a certain ip from a dhcp router? |
| 23:56.35 | dondelelcaro | bob2: are you +E? ;-) |
| 23:56.54 | RabidWeezle | root@0[root]# apt-get install bzip2 |
| 23:56.54 | RabidWeezle | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:56.54 | RabidWeezle | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 23:56.55 | dondelelcaro | tam: uh, you don't want to do that. |
| 23:56.57 | simonrvn | bob2: check out his/her /whois |
| 23:57.00 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: do you know whats wrong with dpkg? |
| 23:57.04 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 23:57.05 | dpkg | Since Mon Jan 5 23:25:59 2004, there have been 1 modification, 5 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 3 commands. I have been awake for 31m 5s this session, and currently reference 22905 factoids. I'm using about 15540 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5.78/0.29 child 0.02/0.01 |
| 23:57.10 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: not anymore... |
| 23:57.12 | bda | tam: You would do that by editing the DHCP daemon's configuration file. Usually setting MAC->IP. |
| 23:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: it was having issues earlier, but should be fine now... |
| 23:57.17 | Justin_ | !+usbmouse |
| 23:57.18 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use imps2 protocol and /dev/input/mice with raw repeating for gpm and ImPS/2 and /dev/gpmdata for X |
| 23:57.19 | bda | man dhcpd.conf, irrc. |
| 23:57.23 | Justin_ | oh, ok, nevermind then :-) |
| 23:57.42 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, it seems to loose its db connection from time to time, and is too stupid to regain it. |
| 23:57.56 | tempo | is there any easy way (other then cron/crontab) to backup stuff from my hd to a remote ftp? |
| 23:57.57 | bob2 | simonrvn: did |
| 23:58.07 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:58.10 | tam | dondelelcaro: don't want to be ignorant...but why wouldn't i want to do that? |
| 23:58.15 | tam | bda: yeah...i was thinking that |
| 23:58.37 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: is that db on the web anywhere? like not just the data, but searchable and stuff |
| 23:58.51 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: no, but that is something I've thought about doing... |
| 23:59.00 | *** part/#debian RabidWeezle (~gentoox@syr-24-59-167-151.twcny.rr.com) |
| 23:59.13 | kandinski | bob2: how do I know what packages changed? Now I am running a different distro (knoppix, not the Sid installed on my HD). Also: no new kernel, and yes, modified kdm, which was broken-ish, but not in a critical way. What is the bts atm? |
| 23:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: it wouldn't take much of a script to do it... |
| 23:59.18 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: me too :-), you'd need a catagory field somehow, and then you could make a whole knowledge base |
| 23:59.28 | bob2 | kandinski: /msg dpkg atm |
| 23:59.32 | *** join/#debian carles (carles@164.125.64.51) |
| 23:59.39 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah... *shrug* |
