| 00:00.05 | paulswm | hey cafuego, dig the car: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/kern.jpg |
| 00:00.06 | tasio | marcot: I think the kdegames package have several games for kids, educational ones (if you're [or she] using kde) |
| 00:00.27 | marcot | tasio: ahgh! Qt! |
| 00:00.28 | zhengyi | marcot: tuxracer is fun, though it is not very "girly" |
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| 00:01.03 | tasio | marcot: don't hate them, you'll be qt-izedŽ |
| 00:01.10 | tasio | }:-) |
| 00:01.11 | marcot | zhengyi: it's too heavy to use in my pc. |
| 00:01.14 | bztunk | marcot: gnome-games have some fun games too |
| 00:01.25 | bztunk | marcot: and frozen-bubble is really fun |
| 00:01.30 | marcot | tasio: youll use gtk... let's bet? |
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| 00:01.43 | Jacobo221 | someone using grub? |
| 00:01.58 | zhengyi | marcot: if gl is too much, there's always minesweeper and solitaire :) |
| 00:01.58 | Sebulba02 | sure |
| 00:01.59 | marcot | bztunk: froxen-bubble and engima... I'll show them these both. |
| 00:02.00 | ljlane | Jacobo221, just ask the question |
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| 00:02.19 | marcot | zhengyi: I think this is a little boring for they... :-) |
| 00:02.21 | Sebulba02 | LoRez: been using grub for ages :) |
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| 00:02.37 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: well, i just want an opinion, a "valid" opinion, for I just see people changes to grub, but now one can tell me why ;-) |
| 00:02.54 | ljlane | Jacobo221, alrighty |
| 00:03.00 | sandman | I wish more attention was given to the metapackages of testing distrobution.. |
| 00:03.05 | felix-d | Hola :) I;ve installed new 2.6.0 kernel... karnel was compiled sucessfully and it works... but I have several problems with modules... |
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| 00:03.12 | Gathond | Jacobo221: grub is filesystem aware, so you can edit a boot entry on the fly |
| 00:03.16 | Justin_ | !tell felix-d about 2.6 problems |
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| 00:03.19 | felix-d | I have installed module-init-tools 3.0-pre5 |
| 00:03.26 | ljlane | Jacobo221: it reads filesystems and it has a shell. You can boot whatver kernel, wherever at bootup. |
| 00:03.31 | Gathond | Jacobo221: rather handy if you make a mistake in the configuration of the bootloader |
| 00:03.33 | raldi | in trying to build a kernel, one file that #includes things that aren't on my system is drivers/video/sti/sticore.c -- it includes "asm/hardware.h" -- where is this file supposed to exist on my system? |
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| 00:03.48 | spir | hello |
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| 00:03.57 | zhengyi | marcot: one last suggestion -- install flash for your browser, and go check out http://www.popcap.com :) |
| 00:04.02 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: so if it read fs, can I boot cdrom with grub? |
| 00:04.09 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: same as ljlane |
| 00:04.09 | raldi | felix-d: i'm having all sorts of module dependency problems with 2.4.22 and 2.4.24 |
| 00:04.16 | spir | i have a dpkg problem with gettext-base in sid |
| 00:04.18 | ljlane | Jacobo221, nope |
| 00:04.19 | raldi | felix-d: what sort are you seeing? |
| 00:04.33 | spir | dpkg tells me to run : dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:04.34 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: ?? why not? |
| 00:04.38 | marcot | zhengyi: thank you, but I was talking about free games... flash is proprietary. |
| 00:04.39 | felix-d | raldi: gate:/usr/src/linux# make modules_install |
| 00:04.39 | spir | but it freezes |
| 00:04.39 | felix-d | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 00:04.44 | ljlane | Jacobo221: but you can stick grub on an el-torito cdrom |
| 00:04.47 | felix-d | Warning: you may need to install module-init-tools |
| 00:04.57 | felix-d | I have module-init-tools installed ! |
| 00:05.02 | spir | and i need to kill it |
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| 00:05.22 | Justin_ | felix-d: except that you don't |
| 00:05.25 | ljlane | hettar, long time no see |
| 00:05.34 | spir | i wanted to "apt-get --purge -f remove gettext-base" but i can't, i "should" "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 00:05.35 | felix-d | but modules are not installed properly |
| 00:05.37 | Gathond | Jacobo221: afaik booting from CDrom involves the bios mapping a file on the CD to a floppy drive and booting that, at least thats how my scsi bios does it |
| 00:05.39 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: but why can't it read /dev/hdx ide-cdroms? if it can read fs... |
| 00:05.41 | spir | what could i do ? |
| 00:05.43 | hettar | long time =o) |
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| 00:05.53 | ljlane | Jacobo221, I don't know. |
| 00:06.09 | StyXman | happy new year |
| 00:06.26 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: to a floppy??? you mean, copy the map cd file to a floppy??? |
| 00:06.33 | ljlane | Jacobo221: SMB (smart boot manager) is the only boot manager I know of that does CDs. |
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| 00:06.49 | StyXman | I tried to install realplayer from marillat's |
| 00:06.51 | hettar | which deb has dos2unix and unix2dos in it ?? |
| 00:06.53 | Gathond | Jacobo221: map or mount the boot image on the CD as a floppy |
| 00:07.02 | StyXman | and couldn't download the required rpm from real.com |
| 00:07.03 | ljlane | Jacobo221: Gathond just described an el-torito boot CD |
| 00:07.10 | felix-d | Justin_: I have init-tools instaled !!! :) I've installed 0.9.14 ver and then 3.0.pre5 |
| 00:07.20 | StyXman | does anybody have it around? |
| 00:07.26 | petemc | hettar: /msg dpkg unix2dos |
| 00:07.35 | ircrob | oss not working with any libsdl app |
| 00:07.38 | hettar | petemc: thanks |
| 00:07.44 | Gathond | Jacobo221: basically you have a floppy image on the CD, and the bios mounts this as a floppy drive and boots as it would a boot floppy |
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| 00:08.00 | Justin_ | felix-d: 3.0.pre5? |
| 00:08.04 | raldi | can someone with a working debian system who has compiled and installed a kernel on it run "find /usr/include -name hardware.h" and let me know if anything turns up? i'm trying to figure out if i'm supposed to have one on my system |
| 00:08.11 | Vladkao | StyXman have you noticed? here is #debian , not #redhat or something |
| 00:08.44 | ljlane | raldi: no hits |
| 00:08.48 | StyXman | Vladkao: er, the installer requires me to download the rpm from real.com... but is still being debian |
| 00:08.48 | Justin_ | felix-d: wtf are you installing random things for? |
| 00:09.17 | bztunk | StyXman: don't use real player! |
| 00:09.21 | StyXman | I already done so a couple of times before, never thought that socking rpm would dissappear... |
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| 00:09.44 | StyXman | bztunk: you know that's not the solutiuon I'm seeking |
| 00:09.48 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: oh, I see. but in the same way lilo has raw access to / and read the kernel and copies map to memory, GruB, haveing access to fs, could have raw access to fs's /dev/hdx (cdrom) and copy it to memory just normaly, couldn't it? |
| 00:09.54 | bztunk | StyXman: mplayer and libavcodec can decode rv20 natively and rv30 with binary codecs |
| 00:09.56 | raldi | ljlane: in your kernel-source directory, does "grep hardware.h ./drivers/video/sti/sticore.c" print "#include <asm/hardware.h>"? |
| 00:09.58 | StyXman | bztunk: but thanks anyway |
| 00:10.04 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: read message to Gathond |
| 00:10.11 | StyXman | bztunk: that's interesting... |
| 00:10.14 | knt | i tried to look inside of a binary file with cat command and now the console characters started to appear so ugly. how can i fix it? |
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| 00:10.29 | Jacobo221 | knt: type "reset" |
| 00:10.38 | Gathond | Jacobo221: grub has the acces through INT13 bios calls ... i dont know if thats enough to support CDrom drives |
| 00:10.51 | bztunk | StyXman: yeah it is :D |
| 00:10.55 | Gathond | Jacobo221: grub probably also lacks iso9660 support |
| 00:11.11 | knt | Jacobo221: so much thanks |
| 00:11.19 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if a setpgid binary exists for linux, and if so, where to get ot? |
| 00:11.26 | kingsley | s/ot/it/ |
| 00:11.45 | StyXman | bztunk: yeap, it works! |
| 00:11.54 | ljlane | Jacobo221: /dev/hdX is an OS thing, not the bootloader |
| 00:11.56 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: yap, surely no iso9660 support, but as far as it has fs ext2/3 access it can access cdrom in raw mode through /dev/hdx, and just load cdrom map as lilo does... |
| 00:11.56 | StyXman | bztunk: but thanks anyway :) |
| 00:12.08 | Jacobo221 | knt: you're wellcome |
| 00:12.15 | bztunk | StyXman: heh ok |
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| 00:12.48 | Gathond | Jacobo221: but /dev/hdx is just a link the linux kernel uses to find the device ... and grub is not the linux kernel |
| 00:12.49 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: you mean /dev is not part of the fs?? |
| 00:13.01 | Vladkao | Jacobo221 wtf /dev/hdx in lilo/grub? a bootloader? |
| 00:13.10 | ljlane | raldi, I don't have the source unpacked at the moment |
| 00:13.18 | Gathond | Jacobo221: /dev/hdx is just a mayor and a minor number representing a link to a hardware device/driver |
| 00:13.18 | raldi | ljlane: oh well, thanks anyway |
| 00:13.44 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: right |
| 00:13.47 | Gathond | Jacobo221: for grub its just a file, a name and an address |
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| 00:13.49 | ljlane | Jacobo221: Yes, /dev is on the filesystem. But it doesn't have the OS magic that maps it to hardware. |
| 00:13.49 | florian | hi |
| 00:13.53 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: m, ok, I see it clear now ;-) |
| 00:14.04 | florian | a bit offtopic sorry, but what does 2 38 oz mean? 2 cups and 38 oz? |
| 00:14.35 | Sebulba02 | Hmm. |
| 00:15.03 | Jacobo221 | Gathond: well, thanx for all the info |
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| 00:15.15 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: same as Gathond + thanx for the SMB advice |
| 00:15.21 | ljlane | florian: apt-get install units |
| 00:15.32 | ljlane | florian: err.. forget that |
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| 00:16.05 | ljlane | Jacobo221: sorry, that was sbm |
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| 00:16.14 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: :-) ok |
| 00:16.53 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: I was just thing how difficult that would be in searching at google for smb... haveing more tahn 10000 entries for Samba xD |
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| 00:17.20 | ljlane | Jacobo221, apt-cache show sbm |
| 00:17.30 | Jacobo221 | one more question. during boottime, grub has no write access, does it? |
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| 00:18.27 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: thanx |
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| 00:20.33 | darinlh | greetings |
| 00:20.39 | ljlane | Jacobo221, I do not believe grub has write support. (also, btmgr.sf.net for sbm) |
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| 00:21.40 | spir | hello :) i have a dpkg problem. i can't apt-get install any package else . in fact, it is gettext-base on sid who stuck me, but not other people i know. dpkg tells me to "dpkg --configure -a" but this command freeze.... and i can't use dpkg at all. does anybody know how i could deal with it in order, for exemple, to apt-get install --reinstall gettext-base ? |
| 00:21.57 | Jacobo221 | ljlane: I hoped so. If it had, I was just wondering if it had journaling support (for ext3) but that's ok. if it downs't write, there's nothing to journal :-) |
| 00:22.00 | spir | apt-get install --reinstall gettext-base |
| 00:22.01 | spir | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 00:22.04 | zoid | if i cat a bunch of files and grep for a word, how can i tell which file it was that it found the word in? |
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| 00:22.37 | Jacobo221 | spir: you say dpkg doesn't work? |
| 00:22.54 | ljlane | zoid, You can't. Grep the bunch instead. |
| 00:22.54 | spir | no, i didn't mean that... |
| 00:22.56 | Gathond | zoid: use grep "pattern" file1 file2 instead |
| 00:23.08 | spir | it freezes when i run "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 00:23.32 | spir | and he tells me "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." when i try anything else |
| 00:24.01 | Jacobo221 | spir: do you actually mean it _freezes_ or it just hangs around forever... in other words, can you Ctrl+z? |
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| 00:24.25 | Knight_Lord | Is there a way to format a FAT32 partition in linux? |
| 00:24.33 | spir | hangs out forever |
| 00:24.33 | Gathond | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 00:24.41 | Knight_Lord | Gathond with what tool? |
| 00:24.42 | spir | i killed -15 |
| 00:24.43 | Gathond | spir: at which package ? |
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| 00:24.49 | spir | gettext-base |
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| 00:24.52 | spir | under sid |
| 00:24.55 | Gathond | Knight_Lord: mkfs.msdos i believe |
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| 00:25.15 | Segers_J | how do I get rid of a process that ps ax lists as " 1411 ? D 0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-o3wrFI/ --sm-client-id 11c0a8000d000107005166700000005230004 --no-default-window" |
| 00:25.20 | Jacobo221 | spir: no idea, but... |
| 00:25.22 | Knight_Lord | Gathond thanks |
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| 00:25.37 | Jacobo221 | spir: fpkg --configure -a configures first all pending packages |
| 00:25.45 | cyberkni | Can anyone suggest a good preferably Gnome based news reader? |
| 00:25.52 | bztunk | cyberkni: pan |
| 00:25.54 | Segers_J | cyberkni: pan |
| 00:25.54 | djw | Segers_J: kill -KILL 1411 |
| 00:26.23 | Jacobo221 | spir: so if get-text just screwed everything up, dpkg --conf... probably is trying to find something unexistent to configure in the get-text package |
| 00:26.37 | Jacobo221 | spir: try dpkg --purge get-text |
| 00:26.39 | cyberkni | thanks |
| 00:26.59 | Jacobo221 | spir: if it doesn't work, try dpkg --purge --force-all get-text |
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| 00:27.14 | spir | it seems to hangs up |
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| 00:27.34 | spir | no, to freeze... ^Z doesn't do nothing |
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| 00:27.47 | spir | neither ^C |
| 00:27.52 | LoRez | spir: so ^Z does do something? |
| 00:28.01 | spir | no |
| 00:28.11 | LoRez | then don't say that. |
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| 00:28.31 | spir | i must kill -15 it |
| 00:28.34 | Segers_J | djw: ps still shows it. And whatever usually makes nautilus restart when it dies isn't doing its thing. |
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| 00:28.53 | Jacobo221 | spir: anyway, try purging get-text... and try again |
| 00:28.56 | anxia | anyone knows how to remove de black border around plugins on mozilla??? |
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| 00:29.02 | spir | yes |
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| 00:29.21 | EgonBurgh | can I ask a sendmail question in here ? |
| 00:29.27 | spir | it exactly what i'm trying... and where the problem repeat :/ |
| 00:30.14 | spir | but now, in fact, even kill -9 doesn't kill the dpkg --purge gettext-base |
| 00:30.14 | Jacobo221 | spir: I don't know how apt-get works, as I don't using (it's stupid, but I screwed up the sources.config file and never arrangeded again :P) but probably it's the same problem as dpkg, as apt-get uses dpkg as background |
| 00:30.16 | djw | Segers_J: maybe try and kill it's parent |
| 00:30.52 | Segers_J | djw: good idea, working on it. |
| 00:31.03 | Jacobo221 | spir: try other commands. Maybe... dpkg --get-selections or some stupid command like that. does it frezze too? |
| 00:31.24 | Jacobo221 | spir: don't try dpkg -C as this looks through configurations |
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| 00:31.41 | T_VoiD | spir: kill -9 kills all except two things: zombies/defunct (in which case you have to kill the parent) or process in the "D" state, non interruptible I/O (usually stuck in kernel due to a driver/hardware problem) |
| 00:32.59 | spir | 22956 root 18 0 10208 8436 2384 D 0.0 3.3 0:00.15 dpkg still in "top" but i " kill -9 22956 " & i close the term where i opened this command |
| 00:33.12 | sandman | Can soemone tell me if there's a Gforge package in 3.0r2? |
| 00:33.12 | Jacobo221 | spir: try killing with "killall dpkg" |
| 00:33.13 | T_VoiD | spir: there's the "D" |
| 00:33.18 | robertj | I would like to take this opportunity to note that it is very important to make sure not to omit the - when kill -1 nfsd |
| 00:33.32 | spir | still here |
| 00:33.57 | spir | ah yes... there the D :/ |
| 00:34.02 | LoRez | spir: you're not going to be able to kill it while it's IO bound |
| 00:34.13 | Segers_J | djw: err, in /proc/1411/status it lists its PPid as 1, ps lists that as " 1 ? S 0:05 init [2]" I'm thinking that would be a bad one to kill. any other ideas? |
| 00:34.15 | T_VoiD | spir: check dmesg for errors ? |
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| 00:34.28 | djw | Segers_J: reboot |
| 00:34.35 | T_VoiD | Segers_J: don't worry 1 isn't killable even with -9 hehe |
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| 00:35.05 | dasunt | How would I get the source deb for a package of testing on stable? |
| 00:35.07 | spir | T_VoiD: only messages from bttv |
| 00:35.08 | sandman | How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? |
| 00:35.24 | Segers_J | dasunt: /msg apt simple sid backport |
| 00:35.27 | T_VoiD | spir: not using NFS or some strange filesystem? |
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| 00:35.38 | spir | nop, ext3 only |
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| 00:35.38 | LoRez | dasunt: add a deb-source entry for testing and apt-get update && apt-get source package |
| 00:35.45 | thomas_adam | Segers_J: howdy. |
| 00:35.47 | dasunt | LoRez: Thanks. |
| 00:35.55 | dasunt | Segers_J: Thanks as well. |
| 00:36.11 | Jacobo221 | spir: have you given ext3 support on fstab? |
| 00:36.14 | T_VoiD | spir: well can't tell except that it's not dpkg's fault. it's more probably a problem with your kernel |
| 00:36.15 | dasunt | I usually grab the source from packages.debian.org, but its down. :( |
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| 00:36.26 | dds | I have a PS/2 mouse but I can't seem to emulate 3 button mouse. Can someone help out? |
| 00:36.26 | spir | yes |
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| 00:37.11 | Jacobo221 | dss: edit /etc/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:37.35 | thomas_adam | dds: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:37.46 | spir | i'll try to reboot, and directly after : dpkg --purge --force-all get-text |
| 00:37.47 | dds | thomas_adam: i tried but still won't werk =( |
| 00:37.51 | spir | and see |
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| 00:38.25 | T_VoiD | spir: and check again messages about disk problem (you might get one anyways due to filesystem not properly unmounted before) |
| 00:38.36 | dds | Jacobo221: what do i put in /etc/XF86Config-4? |
| 00:38.48 | thomas_adam | dds: find the input device section |
| 00:38.55 | spir | ok |
| 00:39.14 | dds | ok |
| 00:39.23 | thomas_adam | dds: find your mouse protocol |
| 00:39.23 | Jacobo221 | dds: take a look at "man XF86Config-4" |
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| 00:39.45 | Jacobo221 | dds: the best way to learn is to try first yourself :-P |
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| 00:42.00 | novapunkx | cafuego: You there? |
| 00:42.02 | sandman | TOOOga Toh-Gah Toh-Gah Toh-Gah |
| 00:42.30 | sandman | Sorry.. |
| 00:44.56 | bztunk | sandman: wtf? |
| 00:45.01 | spir | ok, that's sad, but reboot && dpkg --purge --force-all gettext gettext-base && apt-get install gettext gettext-base worked... |
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| 00:45.17 | spir | so, thank you all a lot for having helping me :) |
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| 00:46.26 | marcot | Is there a free game similar to the incredible machine? |
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| 00:46.40 | {xmb} | does grub understand something like lilo's -R without having grub-reboot around? |
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| 00:47.51 | bztunk | marcot: don't know, and i would like to know if there is |
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| 00:48.18 | marcot | bztunk: I'm playing pingus... it's like lemmings. |
| 00:49.01 | bztunk | marcot: i'm installing it :D |
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| 00:49.29 | Jacobo221 | marcot: what a great question. I hope someone gives ananswer... |
| 00:50.01 | T_VoiD | spir: means you have a random kernel problem :p |
| 00:50.08 | bztunk | hum |
| 00:50.12 | vibey | any news on php4-gd2 ? |
| 00:50.15 | bztunk | Error caught from ClanLib: Failed to open display. No XWindow display available |
| 00:50.18 | bztunk | :( |
| 00:50.22 | T_VoiD | spir: could really be anything. bad kernel, memory, other hardware ... |
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| 00:50.35 | spir | T_VoiD: :( 2.6.0... config and compile myself |
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| 00:50.47 | vibey | as soon as i install php4-gd2.. php stops working completely.. |
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| 00:50.55 | spir | it "might" be a stupid thing i did in it :/ |
| 00:50.57 | T_VoiD | oh well 2.6.0 I'm not surprised then :p |
| 00:51.17 | T_VoiD | spir: I would never trust a so recent kernel hehe |
| 00:51.23 | spir | you think i should downgrade to 2.4.24 ? |
| 00:51.46 | T_VoiD | spir: depends if you get problems often or not and if that's for home or not hehe |
| 00:52.07 | spir | ok :) |
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| 00:52.19 | Jacobo221 | spir: kernel 2.4.25 is on pre4 now |
| 00:52.30 | spir | so after you just said, i can stay a little under this kernel |
| 00:52.59 | Jacobo221 | 45 minutes ago: "Microsoft has launched a marketing assault on Linux, in a sign that the open-source solution may be a mounting threat to the company's server system sales." |
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| 00:53.53 | dasunt | Is there a screen-like program for X? |
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| 00:54.02 | madness | dasunt: xmove |
| 00:54.11 | madness | dasunt: not used it, but I've heard of it |
| 00:55.04 | Jacobo221 | dasunt: if you try it, please report results here. I'm really interested in it |
| 00:55.05 | dasunt | madness: I'll look into it - trying to get something where I can launch X on my server, launch clients to it, then use ssh from my laptop to disc/reconnect. |
| 00:55.05 | spir | madness: top cool :) thx :) and dasunt : thx for this question :) |
| 00:55.42 | dasunt | Trying it right now. |
| 00:55.45 | madness | dasunt: do let me know if it works out |
| 00:55.53 | marcot | I'll sleep. Good night. |
| 00:55.54 | madness | dasunt: I keep meaning to see whether it does what I expect it to |
| 00:57.27 | Covener | dasunt: xmove |
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| 00:59.11 | smtp | i got install qmail in debian sid but when i do a telnet domain 25 i got a Connection closed by foreign host. and the port 25 of the server is open 25/tcp open smtp ---- anyone got a idea of why i can connect |
| 00:59.12 | smtp | ? |
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| 00:59.32 | Jacobo221 | Covener: does xmove work well? |
| 00:59.44 | Covener | Jacobo221: no clue, it's just a common question |
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| 01:00.03 | Bangz-work | how do you find the mac address of a comp whos IP you know? |
| 01:00.07 | dasunt | Hmmm, out of the box, can't get it to do what I want, so time to google. |
| 01:00.10 | Jacobo221 | Covener: also, can xmove "stop" (read as, "suspend") an app when no X is open? |
| 01:00.13 | Bangz-work | I know you'd use rarp |
| 01:00.14 | dasunt | Bangz-work: Same network? |
| 01:00.17 | Jacobo221 | Covener: oh, I see xD |
| 01:00.18 | Bangz-work | ye |
| 01:00.27 | Skaag | anyone happens to know if that php4-gd2 problem's been fixed? |
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| 01:01.35 | CaspanNow | is there a cdrom that hold the minimal net install? |
| 01:01.39 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: check the bts. |
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| 01:01.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell CaspanNow about netinst |
| 01:01.59 | CaspanNow | like the floppies but jsut on cd |
| 01:02.00 | sgeigerbot | When I try to book a user-mode-linux ext2 kernel, I get the following messages and then it hangs. What might be wrong? "NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.I'm tracing myself and I can't get out" |
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| 01:02.22 | Skaag | dondelelcaro, yes, I did so as I was asking |
| 01:02.22 | CaspanNow | i dont want the whole 180 meg disk im talking like the 6 disks on one cd |
| 01:02.24 | Skaag | dondelelcaro, seems like there's a partial workaround |
| 01:02.26 | djw | quite impressive |
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| 01:03.29 | sgeigerbot | bob2: are you here? uml question above... |
| 01:03.31 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: well, the issue remains until the bug is closed. [generally.] |
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| 01:03.48 | Skaag | ;-) |
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| 01:05.31 | CaspanNow | what is the idepci image for? |
| 01:05.40 | CaspanNow | is that just the 2.2 image? |
| 01:05.51 | Jacobo221 | CaspanNow: that's the standard image |
| 01:06.17 | CaspanNow | ok so what is the bf stand for in the bf2.4...... |
| 01:06.23 | Jacobo221 | CaspanNow: for 2.4 use bt2.4 (or something like that) |
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| 01:06.47 | CaspanNow | does any one know if any one has made a 2.6 image yet? |
| 01:07.04 | Jacobo221 | CaspanNow: suerly not, 2.6 is quite unstable |
| 01:07.16 | Jacobo221 | CaspanNow: as for now, of course |
| 01:07.24 | CaspanNow | really i though that it was stable now so thats why it was released |
| 01:07.32 | bizkit | what was the commad to select apt sources? |
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| 01:07.48 | dondelelcaro | bizkit: apt-setup |
| 01:07.49 | petemc | bizkit: apt-setup |
| 01:07.52 | bizkit | thx |
| 01:07.59 | freyr_ | anyone know if the athlon xp heatsink is supposed to be super hard to attach? |
| 01:08.06 | CaspanNow | i guess its out only for release |
| 01:08.15 | Covener | frey; yes, lots of pressure required |
| 01:08.45 | dondelelcaro | CaspanNow: kernels generally don't stabalize until they get into the double digit minor revisions. |
| 01:08.45 | CaspanNow | freyr_: I had problems getting mine on |
| 01:08.45 | freyr_ | Covener: like my finger is breaking |
| 01:08.52 | freyr_ | hmm |
| 01:08.52 | freyr_ | fucdge |
| 01:09.08 | CaspanNow | freyr_: just make sure you use the right slotted screwdriver so that you dont screw up your board |
| 01:09.08 | bztunk | hah |
| 01:09.12 | bztunk | pingus is so fun |
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| 01:09.53 | freyr_ | CaspanNow: im not using a screw driver |
| 01:10.01 | CaspanNow | look for the side of your CPU that has teh blank slot so that if you slip you dont take out a capaciter or a trace path |
| 01:10.01 | freyr_ | CASPhow would i use a screw driver? |
| 01:11.02 | CaspanNow | well most heatsinks have a square slot on them to place a slotted screw driver in then you hook the side on that does not have the scre slot then use the screwdriver to attach the other side |
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| 01:11.49 | freyr_ | CaspanNow: good call... i didnt see that i was using my fingernail |
| 01:12.03 | CaspanNow | you will end up ripping off the nail |
| 01:12.38 | CaspanNow | dont use needle nose plyers either you will end up taking out your motherboard |
| 01:13.09 | DelEat | ls |
| 01:13.22 | freyr_ | CaspanNow: i cant get the other side attached because there is a cylander thing coming off my mobo in that place |
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| 01:13.33 | freyr_ | this is the non screw driver side |
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| 01:13.54 | DelEat | oops |
| 01:13.56 | CaspanNow | take the latch and put it out as far as you can |
| 01:14.11 | Nurbs | DelEat: some weird shell if you mix it up ;) |
| 01:14.25 | DelEat | freyr_: there's room for it... else just turn it 180 degrees |
| 01:14.33 | DelEat | freyr_: you pretty much can't go wrong... |
| 01:14.34 | greyghost | Im in need of some apache help and getting it to run a ruby program called tdiary. Anyone think they can help me out? |
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| 01:14.50 | freyr_ | DelEat: 180 degrees moves the thermal pad off of the cpu connector |
| 01:14.55 | freyr_ | like its not symmetrical |
| 01:14.57 | CaspanNow | just make sure the circle is on the cpu and not half off lol |
| 01:15.00 | METRON9 | Hello, I need some help using ezpass written in perl, I am clueless here, do I download perl from the perl site and put the folder in my web folder cgi-bin ??? |
| 01:15.40 | DelEat | freyr_: sometimes you can just move the brackets 180 degrees |
| 01:15.41 | CaspanNow | METRON9: are you using debian? |
| 01:15.47 | METRON9 | yes |
| 01:15.54 | CaspanNow | apt-get install perl |
| 01:16.02 | CaspanNow | that will do it for you then you will have perl installed |
| 01:16.03 | METRON9 | ok thenka |
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| 01:16.20 | METRON9 | will it make a directory in the www directory called perl? |
| 01:16.29 | darinlh | anyone running courier mail? |
| 01:16.29 | thomas_adam | elvenprn: how's Uni going? |
| 01:16.38 | CaspanNow | then you can just do calls like $> perl perlfile.pl |
| 01:16.47 | CaspanNow | freyr_: http://www.abit-usa.com/faq/mb/heatsink.php |
| 01:17.42 | freyr_ | ok i got that side on by pushing a little with a screw driver |
| 01:17.46 | freyr_ | the other side is giving me trouble |
| 01:17.53 | yo_linux | where do I go to get the latest beta sarge debian-installer image? |
| 01:17.54 | freyr_ | i push it down all the way but it wont move over and latch |
| 01:17.59 | CaspanNow | but that is why it has that screw dirver slot |
| 01:18.18 | CaspanNow | if you find a screw driver that fits it perfect it wont be hard at all |
| 01:18.19 | DelEat | what's the difference between STP and UTP netcables? |
| 01:18.42 | yo_linux | DelEat: isn't stp shielded? |
| 01:18.45 | CaspanNow | shieled |
| 01:18.50 | CaspanNow | and unshielded |
| 01:18.51 | DelEat | ahh.. |
| 01:19.00 | DelEat | s= shield, u= unshielded.. |
| 01:19.05 | thomas_adam | DelEat: Shield, the other not |
| 01:19.10 | CaspanNow | you dont need shielded unless your running in to alot of interference |
| 01:19.24 | DelEat | would explain why S is a little more expensive |
| 01:19.39 | CaspanNow | like over florecent lights that have balis |
| 01:19.51 | DelEat | but for 3 feet of cable, does it matter if it's shielded or not? |
| 01:20.00 | CaspanNow | you would ahve to have shielde cause those puppys give of a magnetic field like you would not believe |
| 01:20.03 | thomas_adam | DelEat: DelEat depends what your EMI is like |
| 01:20.06 | DelEat | CaspanNow: interference - as in netcables right next to it... |
| 01:20.11 | CaspanNow | on no get not shielded |
| 01:20.14 | yo_linux | DelEat: doubt it, depends on the interference I guess. |
| 01:20.16 | greyghost | anyone know how to convince apache2 to execute my cgi scripts instead of displaying them |
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| 01:20.19 | DelEat | hmm.. |
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| 01:20.38 | CaspanNow | i have every cable for my pc bound togeather and have no problem running unshielded |
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| 01:20.44 | sgeigerbot | greyghost: Here are the only things in /etc/apache/httpd.conf that you might need to tweak to set up CGI with apache: LoadModule cgi_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_cgi.so ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ DirectoryIndex index.html index.php3 index.htm index.shtml index.cgi index.php ... and in the <Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/> you should see "Options ExecCGI" |
| 01:20.53 | CaspanNow | even with power cables |
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| 01:21.44 | greyghost | sgeigerbot: it seems to be loaded and Ive been all over that file and I cant get it to execute my ruby scripts |
| 01:21.47 | CaspanNow | the only real need for them is if you are say in a plank that you have to run them by something that causes alot of interference |
| 01:21.59 | CaspanNow | s/plank/plant/ |
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| 01:22.12 | CaspanNow | like electro static welders and such |
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| 01:23.30 | philips | I have two machines connected to a single router, one can access the net, the other can only ping servers on the net. It is probably a name resolving problem, any ideas what I should check? |
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| 01:23.53 | thomas_adam | philips: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:24.09 | philips | thomas_adam, they are identical on both machines |
| 01:24.19 | thomas_adam | philips: default gw? |
| 01:24.29 | greyghost | sgeigerbot: Im trying to get it setup in my home directory, but it also wont work anywhere under the normal apache root. Also Im using apache2 if that makes a difference |
| 01:24.35 | philips | thomas_adam, route output is the same on both |
| 01:24.57 | sgeigerbot | greyghost: did you check everything I mentioned? |
| 01:25.04 | thomas_adam | philips: hmm |
| 01:25.06 | T_VoiD | ok bon ap' |
| 01:25.09 | T_VoiD | misstell |
| 01:25.21 | bucky | when i "dig dhcp-33.wireless.client.lan" i don't get the ADDITIONAL: 1 entry, any help appreciated |
| 01:25.25 | Justin_ | philips: "ping servers" "access the net", be more specific |
| 01:25.37 | sgeigerbot | greyghost: After you answer that, answer this: Do you have the right permissions set on the scripts? |
| 01:26.11 | philips | Justin_, I can ping all servers on ther internet, I cannot connect with common protocols like ftp, http, irc, etc |
| 01:26.21 | Justin_ | philips: "all servers"? |
| 01:26.32 | greyghost | sgeigerbot: yes I checked that when I set the world read permisions I also set the world x |
| 01:26.45 | philips | Justin_, as far as I can tell |
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| 01:27.02 | Justin_ | philips: give an example of one of these "servers" |
| 01:27.12 | philips | Justin_, google.com. slashdot.org etc |
| 01:27.23 | philips | Justin_ those are the "servers" |
| 01:27.26 | Justin_ | philips: then its not a name resolving problem now is it? |
| 01:27.43 | Justin_ | !tell philips about ecn |
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| 01:28.34 | philips | Justin_, ok |
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| 01:31.57 | ln | does someone know how to set up a ipsec vpn for road warriors using racoon? |
| 01:32.09 | ln | or where to ask about it? |
| 01:32.18 | sandman | If I have a good sources.list with stuff that's fast for me, could I just change teh "stable" part of the source line to "unstable", then change teh beginning of the line to "deb-src" rather than just "deb", so that I can backport stuff from sid? |
| 01:32.34 | thomas_adam | sandman: no |
| 01:32.40 | Justin_ | !tell sandman about simple sid backport |
| 01:32.40 | sandman | thomas_adam: How is it done? |
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| 01:32.50 | thomas_adam | Justin_: thanks |
| 01:33.06 | Justin_ | sandman: www.backports.org |
| 01:33.07 | sandman | thomas_adam: Wow, that's easy. |
| 01:33.09 | galimon | is there any way to get some of the old xlibs 4.3.0-0ds4 packages? |
| 01:33.09 | Justin_ | !+backports |
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| 01:33.09 | dpkg | from memory, backports is an unstable package compiled and packaged for stable. Unofficial and not supported so YMMV. See http://www.apt-get.org for a list of what is available. |
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| 01:33.32 | Justin_ | apt: backports is also www.backports.org |
| 01:33.34 | | okay, Justin_ |
| 01:33.34 | inquart-poindext | hmmm mozilla-firebird is supposed to be smaller and faster than mozilla ? 27076 inquart- 78 10 7048K 22M run - 0:02 8.25% mozilla-bin 20266 inquart- 2 10 8464K 26M sleep poll 0:02 7.32% MozillaFirebir |
| 01:33.34 | inquart-poindext | ? |
| 01:33.36 | inquart-poindext | bah |
| 01:33.38 | sandman | Justin_: Gotchya, thanks. |
| 01:33.43 | inquart-poindext | bullshit |
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| 01:34.03 | Justin_ | inquart-poindext: whine whine whine |
| 01:34.25 | inquart-poindext | Justin_: screw you linux fag plebeian simian communist .. I am elite Nazi OpenBSD user |
| 01:34.29 | inquart-poindext | OpenBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 3.4 INQUART-POINDEXTER#3 i386 |
| 01:34.34 | sandman | Justin_: So there's snapshot.debian.net, backports.org... |
| 01:34.35 | inquart-poindext | I crush you on the eastern front |
| 01:34.41 | sandman | Justin_: Seems like Debian has massive infrastructure. |
| 01:34.49 | LoRez | inquart-poindext: knock it off |
| 01:34.52 | Justin_ | sandman: backports.org isnt official |
| 01:34.59 | T_VoiD | hum a question. I can never remember. is "first name" the family name? |
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| 01:35.09 | Justin_ | nonono keep it up, its funny watching 12 year olds attempt to make a point |
| 01:35.10 | sandman | Justin_: So perhaps it would be better to install via sources. |
| 01:35.21 | Justin_ | sandman: not for anything complicated |
| 01:35.23 | philips | Justin_: it works great, thanks |
| 01:35.35 | sandman | Justin_: Well, I need Gforge. |
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| 01:35.44 | sandman | Justin_: But, I'd like to keep the system at least moderately stable. |
| 01:36.14 | yo_linux | T_VoiD: first name is your first name - tom as in tom jones is the first name. |
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| 01:36.37 | T_VoiD | yo_linux: ok thanks |
| 01:37.16 | sgeigerbot | greyghost: If I were you, I would try to get it to work first in a directory other than your home directory, as that directory might have special permission issues...or require special cgi settings... Once you know CGI is working with ruby, then try to set up the other things... Break it down to isolate the problem... |
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| 01:37.42 | sgeigerbot | greyghost: ...and then you will be able to ask more specific questions, are you are then likely to get more helpful answers. |
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| 01:38.39 | yo_linux | is this the best loc for testing the sarge debian-installer: http://people.debian.org/Emanty/testing/netinst/i386/20040106/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso? |
| 01:38.45 | greyghost | sgeigerbot:alright thanks. Im working on that now, but its still not working properly. |
| 01:38.47 | tempo_ | why is this not working? rsync -e ssh -av tempo@BackupServer::/home/BackupFolder /destination/folder |
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| 01:39.00 | Justin_ | tempo_: s/::/:/ |
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| 01:39.08 | beta3 | tempo_: use : with ssh |
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| 01:39.37 | Justin_ | and -e ssh is the default now, in sid at least |
| 01:39.47 | beta3 | Justin_: huh |
| 01:40.08 | tempo_ | Justin_: where should i use s/::/:/? instead of ssh? |
| 01:40.17 | galimon | is there any way to get some of the old xlibs 4.3.0-0ds4 packages? |
| 01:40.38 | tempo_ | beta3: where should i use : with ssh? |
| 01:40.45 | beta3 | Justin_: rsync needs to work with samba |
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| 01:41.10 | beta3 | tempo_: umm, change it to this, rsync -e ssh -av tempo@BackupServer:/home/BackupFolder /destination/folder |
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| 01:41.23 | beta3 | tempo_: you had one too many colons |
| 01:41.29 | tempo_ | beta3: got it. thanks |
| 01:41.30 | wasabi | There a netinst boot cd with xfs support? |
| 01:41.56 | beta3 | galimon: not that I recall |
| 01:42.15 | galimon | so i'm pretty much screwed at findibg xlibs-pic of that version |
| 01:42.20 | qwerty_ | Why would cdrecord force me to burn/blank at 4x when my cd drive does 24x for rw? |
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| 01:45.12 | yo_linux | wasabi: dunno. I haven't been able to get a response to my debian-installer q either. Maybe no-one that knows is awake... |
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| 01:45.37 | qwerty_ | yo_linux what was your question? |
| 01:45.46 | aum | hi - is there a free/opensource spider/searchengine that (unlike htdig) can search on phrases? |
| 01:45.50 | felix-d | In 2.6.0 kernel where can I find "Preliminary USB Device Filesystem " Option ? |
| 01:46.11 | yo_linux | qwerty_: is this the best loc for testing the sarge debian-installer: http://people.debian.org/Emanty/testing/netinst/i386/20040106/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso? |
| 01:46.24 | qwerty_ | yo_linux best loc? |
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| 01:46.42 | yo_linux | qwerty_: download loc for the cd image. |
| 01:47.15 | yo_linux | qwerty_: loc=location, url, whatever... |
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| 01:47.21 | qwerty_ | yo_linux Ive never seen a debian iso that had the word businesscard in it, try www.linuxiso.org |
| 01:47.43 | qwerty_ | yo_linux if you get a hit, then yes the address would apear to work. |
| 01:48.05 | drega | is there something equivlient to packages.debian.org? |
| 01:48.11 | qwerty_ | yo_linux are you wanting to install debian? |
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| 01:48.17 | yo_linux | qwerty_: it's a test image of debian-installer (the new installer for sarge)? |
| 01:48.19 | tempo_ | beta3: how come i am getting : eceiving file list ... link_stat /home/tempo/backUPtest* : Permission denied |
| 01:48.19 | tempo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.26 | qwerty_ | yo_linux oh, that I dont know about. |
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| 01:48.42 | dondelelcaro | 9 DSA's in 2 days is crazy. |
| 01:48.47 | yo_linux | qwerty_: I have debian, thanks. I'd like to help test debian-installer |
| 01:49.04 | qwerty_ | yo_linux cool. |
| 01:49.21 | yo_linux | qwerty_: np. |
| 01:49.41 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: is it ever. wow |
| 01:49.59 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: only like.... 1 applied to me :-) |
| 01:50.01 | dondelelcaro | or is it 8? |
| 01:50.03 | simonrvn | my INBOX was full of them |
| 01:50.08 | simonrvn | i'll go count |
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| 01:50.22 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, but still... that's a whole lot of backporting for the security team... |
| 01:50.25 | yo_linux | what's a DSA? |
| 01:50.29 | wasabi | looking for an xfs supporting linux cd image. just need to use it to recover grub. |
| 01:50.31 | wasabi | any ideas |
| 01:50.52 | yo_linux | wasabi: have you checked knoppix? |
| 01:50.58 | Justin_ | wasabi: knoppix? google: debian xfs ? |
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| 01:51.00 | peterS | yo_linux: debian security advisory |
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| 01:51.05 | simonrvn | 10 in 3 days |
| 01:51.08 | wasabi | knoppix doesnt' seem to support xfs |
| 01:51.19 | peterS | yo_linux: check http://security.debian.org/ for a nice long list of them |
| 01:51.29 | yo_linux | peterS: oh. ok, thnks. |
| 01:51.30 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, they went from 406 to 416 |
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| 01:53.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:53.35 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: 2.6 http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 01:53.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:53.44 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:53.57 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people |
| 01:53.59 | freyr_ | if i have an athlon xp 2600 should it show on my boot up screen as like 1050 mhz? |
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| 01:54.11 | bztunk | !opabuse |
| 01:54.12 | bztunk | :D |
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| 01:55.14 | prologic | How would I search for a file created between a certain date range ? |
| 01:55.17 | dondelelcaro | mmm... Chatzilla. |
| 01:55.29 | dondelelcaro | prologic: find and -ctime. info find; [or man find] |
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| 01:55.42 | prologic | dondelelcaro: thanks, that helps :) |
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| 01:57.49 | Justin_ | freyr_: why are you asking hardware questions here? |
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| 01:58.01 | Justin_ | freyr_: read your fscking motherboard manual |
| 01:58.13 | freyr_ | Justin_: good point... it sucks ... but any channels for hardware? |
| 01:58.19 | simonrvn | rtfmm ;) |
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| 01:58.26 | kraptv | Hi... I've got a Debian 3.0... however, there's no apt-get install smartmontools .... Is it out there by any other name? |
| 01:58.29 | ribnitz | hello there |
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| 01:58.57 | kraptv | Hi there. |
| 01:59.01 | ribnitz | what package is the 'at' utility in, for scheduling things at a later date? |
| 01:59.05 | simonrvn | atd |
| 01:59.13 | ribnitz | simonrvn: thanks |
| 01:59.31 | dondelelcaro | prologic: nb, that ctime is merely the last time the file's status changed... there really is no concept of a creation date in ext2. |
| 01:59.53 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: i thought that was mtime? |
| 02:00.04 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: mtime is when its contents were modified... |
| 02:00.09 | Justin_ | ahh, right |
| 02:00.15 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: ctime and mtime are very related... |
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| 02:00.53 | Justin_ | and I have atime off heh |
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| 02:00.56 | bizkit | im going to install a 2.6 kernel, anything special i'll have to do? (what about modutils etc. i think i've hear about problems, any infos?) |
| 02:01.00 | prologic | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:01.15 | Justin_ | !tell bizkit about 2.6 |
| 02:01.28 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, my flash media has it off to... [but I use it alot on one of my boxes... easy way to clean out caches...] |
| 02:01.34 | dondelelcaro | s/to/too/ |
| 02:01.45 | VynoM | hmm... |
| 02:01.50 | VynoM | !tell vynom about 2.6 |
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| 02:02.46 | TML | EEP! "ioctl FIBMAP: Operation not permitted" from lilo...anyone know how to fix that? Or even the cause? |
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| 02:06.33 | novapunkx | Can someone help me with a dependency issue? |
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| 02:07.17 | ribnitz | heyas again. is there an easy way to reduce the timeout for remote sessions? |
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| 02:07.48 | debian | long time no see markybob |
| 02:08.05 | markybob | ;) |
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| 02:08.44 | sgeigerbot | crud...they don't have a 2.6.0 final patch for user-mode-linux. |
| 02:09.20 | tessier_ | uml is neato |
| 02:09.25 | dippo | anyone here know if IDE drives of two different speeds will run at the slower of the speeds PERIOD? or only if they are on the same channel? |
| 02:09.26 | ribnitz | sgeigerbot: 2.6.0 is still too recent. 2.4, wasnt quite usable before 2.4.8 or 9 |
| 02:09.28 | debian | sgeigerbot: that sux, I kinda expecting the major performace boost in uml in 2.6 |
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| 02:10.45 | tfg | anyone know of a UK site that sells Debian/Linux tshirts? |
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| 02:12.24 | deadcat | is it possible to un-rar a .rar file in linux? |
| 02:12.31 | dippo | yes |
| 02:12.38 | dippo | apt-get install unrar |
| 02:12.40 | caphuso | deadcat: yes, with *surprise* unrar |
| 02:12.40 | deadcat | dippo: util? |
| 02:12.42 | LoRez | deadcat: surprisingly, using the unrar package |
| 02:12.44 | deadcat | sweet. (= |
| 02:12.51 | vibey | deadcat: from the deadcat clan? |
| 02:12.59 | ribnitz | deadcat: rar is non-free though |
| 02:13.19 | deadcat | ribnitz: thanks |
| 02:13.26 | deadcat | vibey: no. no clan.. clans are for lusers |
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| 02:14.03 | ribnitz | mhelas: es scheint als haett ich auch gloeuck. die sonntagsversion meines packchens scheint 'stabil' zu sein |
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| 02:14.19 | ribnitz | ups, sorry |
| 02:14.28 | deadcat | hehe. |
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| 02:14.37 | debian | deadcat: lusers is what bsd losers describing linux users. :) |
| 02:14.46 | deadcat | debian: arg. heheh |
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| 02:15.41 | deadcat | debian: jsut came back from mac world.. its crappy compare to linux world. just shops selling shits.. shits thats not even related to mac. hahaha. bought a sticker from EFF "Coding is Not a crime!" although i dont code heheh |
| 02:17.19 | bztunk | deadcat: buser |
| 02:17.30 | deadcat | i dont understand the syntax for rar-2.80. please help out. just want to untar a file. |
| 02:17.43 | deadcat | bztunk: buser? |
| 02:18.02 | samurai_ | deadcat: rar e <file> |
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| 02:18.12 | deadcat | samurai_: ohhhhhhhhh i was going for -e |
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| 02:18.19 | samurai_ | :) |
| 02:18.26 | debian | deadcat: you obviously haven't been using DOS |
| 02:19.06 | deadcat | debian: no dos. win95->98->2k->redhat->debian; |
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| 02:19.43 | debian | deadcat: hmm...I started from JCL. XD |
| 02:20.08 | deadcat | debian: never heard of those 2 before. |
| 02:20.26 | shadowcat | never heard of DOS? |
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| 02:20.42 | IronGuard | hi all! |
| 02:20.42 | debian | deadcat JCL is job control language, XD is my smiling face with mouth open. :) |
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| 02:20.53 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:20.54 | deadcat | shadowcat: ya.. c:/dos; c:/dos run; run dos run; |
| 02:21.03 | IronGuard | can anyone help me? I have a little problem |
| 02:21.12 | deadcat | debian: damn hehehe i dont see the XD |
| 02:21.28 | Krait | tilt your head sideways and squint. |
| 02:21.32 | bucky | c colon, enter colon, ### |
| 02:21.45 | gratuit | IronGuard: just ask |
| 02:22.00 | debian | IronGuard: we'd only help solving big ass problems |
| 02:22.12 | bucky | hehe |
| 02:22.14 | IronGuard | I have debian linux instelled in my computer but it doesn't get internet connection |
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| 02:22.58 | bucky | when i "dig dhcp-33.wireless.client.lan" i don't get the ADDITIONAL: 1 entry, any help appreciated |
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| 02:23.12 | debian | IronGuard: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:23.16 | IronGuard | I've got winxp router so I must install samba, right? |
| 02:23.18 | shadowcat | indeed |
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| 02:23.57 | debian | IronGuard: wtf is a winxp router? |
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| 02:24.14 | deadcat | debian: winxp router sounds expensive shit. |
| 02:24.21 | ribnitz | IronGuard: a router is a small box that passes packets from A to B |
| 02:24.33 | zignig | ribnitz: it can be a large box too :P |
| 02:24.35 | IronGuard | Internet connection share in winXP |
| 02:24.38 | djw | a router can be a huge box if you want |
| 02:24.46 | bucky | Mr. Bigglesworth |
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| 02:24.52 | ribnitz | zignig: true |
| 02:24.53 | debian | ribnitz: hey it doesn't more than that! It...*drum roll*...routes! |
| 02:25.09 | sgeigerbot | djw: Bigger than a breadbox? |
| 02:25.11 | djw | IronGuard: samba is if you want to interact with windows fileshares |
| 02:25.25 | djw | sgeigerbot: well not quite that big |
| 02:25.28 | ribnitz | debian: and it doesnt even need two interfaces |
| 02:25.30 | pHatidic | how do I delete my debian partitions and give them back to my XP installation? I need to give this computer to my little brother and am currently dual booting... |
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| 02:25.42 | IronGuard | ok, but how i can access internet throught winxp? |
| 02:26.00 | shadowcat | pHatidic, use disk manager in win xp, its easy... |
| 02:26.01 | pHatidic | oop nevermind |
| 02:26.03 | pHatidic | ok |
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| 02:26.06 | Sebulba02 | IronGuard: ICS |
| 02:26.06 | IronGuard | sorry, I can't write english very well... |
| 02:26.10 | IronGuard | ? |
| 02:26.11 | djw | IronGuard: edit your /etc/network/interfaces so that it uses your winxp box as a router |
| 02:26.33 | Sebulba02 | Internet Connection Sharing & setup your eth device to use it. |
| 02:27.00 | bucky | IronGuard, http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpbrdge.htm |
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| 02:27.55 | sgeigerbot | debian: You know, I haven't noticed a big performance boost in 2.6. |
| 02:28.14 | bucky | it seems lighter to me |
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| 02:28.30 | sgeigerbot | debian: I have CONFIG_PREEMPT=y ..but still I haven't seen much of a difference |
| 02:28.57 | bucky | i think it used less memory for me and the mouse seemed more responsive |
| 02:29.08 | frans | Hi everyone, you /do/ know a root exploit for 2.4/2.6 is out? www.kerneltrap.org |
| 02:29.09 | caphuso | bucky: doesn't affect memory at all |
| 02:29.22 | caphuso | frans: hi frans, you /do/ know that we have a /topic? |
| 02:29.27 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 02:29.34 | IronGuard | hmm |
| 02:29.43 | Jacobo221 | what tool can I sue to see what dnsserver I'm connected to? |
| 02:29.46 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: its faster if you have a fast box |
| 02:29.55 | caphuso | Jacobo221: none |
| 02:29.58 | Jacobo221 | s/connected/connecting |
| 02:29.58 | hettar | 2.6 makes the track point on my laptop much smoother.. unfortunately it opps when I put in/pull out my eth card, and it never seems to wake from sleep |
| 02:30.06 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: yes there are |
| 02:30.09 | frans | caphuso: Which is too long for fit inside the window caption. I guessed it wasn't important enough for taking the risk. I'll remember for next time. |
| 02:30.19 | bucky | i just used the experimental debs and it used about 10 M less ram, maybe it was the configuration, i didn't do a scientific study |
| 02:30.27 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: its real smooth right now, no slow downs, and its very efficient on resources |
| 02:30.32 | debian | sgeigerbot: I wish you aren't using SMP. :) |
| 02:30.41 | caphuso | frans: which is why every IRC client known to mankind has a way of displaying the complete topic, normally invoked by /topic |
| 02:30.45 | sgeigerbot | debian: are there any such laptops? |
| 02:31.07 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: it was a huge difference noticed on the dual opteron |
| 02:31.13 | caphuso | frans: failure to do that pretty much files you into the stupid-or-fucking-lazy category, which isn't something you really want |
| 02:31.22 | beta3 | then again, 2.4 didn't have support for it, so I used 32 bit mode |
| 02:32.01 | IronGuard | so, I get my adsl ip address from isp and I have configure my lan like winxp help say... winxp ip is 192.168.0.1 like help say, and linux machine has 192.168.0.2 and gw is xp machine's ip, but not work... |
| 02:32.10 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 02:32.18 | Eclipser | my school's unix admins rule |
| 02:32.44 | Eclipser | I don't have the permissions to use even a compiler :p |
| 02:32.51 | Eclipser | now I can't compile my schoolproject :p |
| 02:32.51 | IronGuard | where I can get samba? |
| 02:33.06 | Sebulba02 | IronGuard: samba isn't going to help |
| 02:33.12 | djw | IronGuard: what does netstat -rn say on your linux box? |
| 02:33.15 | debian | sgeigerbot: Don't think so |
| 02:33.19 | VynoM | Eclipser that's funny. They never think about letting you actually DO stuff. Just that everything is malicious |
| 02:33.28 | Eclipser | :p |
| 02:33.31 | frans | caphuso: You could say so. I don't use IRC very often and didn't know of the command. Stupid as hell. Cheers mate. |
| 02:33.33 | debian | Eclipser: what unix admin doesn't rule? :) |
| 02:33.54 | Eclipser | :p |
| 02:34.09 | debian | Eclipser: but in this case they don't rule. They just dumb |
| 02:34.20 | Eclipser | or drunk |
| 02:34.29 | debian | Eclipser: or on crack |
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| 02:35.20 | ink|laptop | ok, i'm booting my machine w/ a grub floppy and when i try to tell it to boot a kernel, i get "Error 5: Parition table invalid or corrupt" |
| 02:35.42 | Eclipser | isn't that selfexplanatory |
| 02:35.43 | ink|laptop | i just need to know if i'm fucked or not |
| 02:36.07 | IronGuard | 1st line: dest=192.168.0.0 gw=0.0.0.0 genmask=255.255.255.0 flags=u mss=0 window=0 irtt=0 Iface=eth0 || 2nd line: dest=0.0.0.0 gw=192.168.0.1 genmask=0.0.0.0 flags=UG mss=0 window=0 irtt=0 iface=eth0 |
| 02:36.21 | ink|laptop | this is the first time i've had this error w/ grub, so i'm not sure if it's recoverable |
| 02:36.44 | Sebulba02 | looks just like mine.. |
| 02:37.15 | djw | IronGuard: can you ping 192.168.0.1 from your linux machine? |
| 02:37.17 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: nslookup reports which dns server it used |
| 02:37.50 | IronGuard | yes i can |
| 02:37.58 | brefan | ink|laptop: does your partition table show up correctly in fdisk? |
| 02:38.11 | djw | IronGuard: what about ping 82.96.64.2 |
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| 02:39.37 | ink|laptop | brefan: hmm, haven't checked fdisk yet |
| 02:39.54 | freyr_ | i am installing debian on another computer. I want to get to sid and only have a floppy / network card. Should I do woody then -> sid? or sarge then -> sid? |
| 02:40.30 | IronGuard | djw, looks like it send packets but can answer |
| 02:40.31 | robertj | freyr: woody-> sid is fine |
| 02:40.31 | ribnitz | freyr_: it doesnt matter that much. |
| 02:40.39 | robertj | otherwise use debian-installer and do a network install of sid |
| 02:41.03 | djw | IronGuard: at a guess, your windows machine isn't forwarding the packets |
| 02:41.04 | caphuso | Jacobo221: it doesn't tell you anything about "connections" or "connecting" to a name server |
| 02:41.04 | brefan | ink|laptop: try it, and tell us if fdisk also thinks you fucked up your partition table :p |
| 02:41.16 | ink|laptop | brefan: heh, ok |
| 02:41.19 | IronGuard | djw, yes i think that too |
| 02:41.37 | IronGuard | windows sucks... |
| 02:41.40 | IronGuard | xP |
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| 02:41.53 | Sebulba02 | check your firewall? |
| 02:42.08 | Sebulba02 | obviously your connected |
| 02:42.11 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: mmm, let me explain: it tells which dnsserver it usrs to resolv ns (dns is UDP, so no connections are stablished) |
| 02:42.15 | IronGuard | I don't have firewall |
| 02:42.16 | bizkit | hi, i'm compiling the 2.6.0 kernel using make-kpkg, what about initrd? i enabled it in the menuconfig, so will i have to compile with "make-kpkg --initrd..."? (when doing so it complains about a not applied cramfs patch and i should only continue if i know what i do...) |
| 02:42.36 | debian | IronGuard: emoicon xP sucks. :) |
| 02:42.37 | caphuso | Jacobo221: yes, it does. as does cat'ing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:42.39 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: it shows the ip adress of the dnsserver which successfully resolved the ns |
| 02:42.44 | ink|laptop | brefan: booting into gnoppix now, will try fdisk |
| 02:43.29 | Sebulba02 | IronGuard: what exactly "isn't" working, can't browse the web or what? You can ping stuff, so I don't see a problem.. |
| 02:43.35 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: cating such file will show all dns available servers (primary, secondary and cache), nslookup will actually tell which dns server it is using in that concrete moment (primary server might be down) |
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| 02:44.10 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: probably unusful to you, but very useful to me as I'm having connection problems |
| 02:44.19 | caphuso | Jacobo221: which doesn't need to be the DNS that was used 5 seconds ago, or the one that will be used in 5 seconds |
| 02:44.20 | lcolleton | I upgraded totem and now it doesn't run. I have 0.99.8-1 now. |
| 02:44.36 | IronGuard | Sebulba02, my linux machine can't get internet connection throught winxp machine |
| 02:45.00 | IronGuard | i think i just solve my problem :d |
| 02:45.03 | Sebulba02 | IronGuard: you pinged an outside IP, so I know thats not the case. |
| 02:45.09 | brefan | ink|laptop: if the table does not seem correct, you can try to restore it with gpart |
| 02:45.42 | lcolleton | Is there a way for me to downgrade totem to the previous version? |
| 02:45.59 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: that's another good reason for using nslookup I hadn't thought about ;-) if using dhcp... but not my case |
| 02:46.14 | caphuso | Jacobo221: what has dhcp to do with it? |
| 02:46.32 | qazix | lcolleton, apt-cache show totem - if the old version is still available, "apt-get install totem=oldversion' (e.g. totem=0.99.7-1) |
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| 02:46.40 | IronGuard | hey, thnx everyone |
| 02:46.45 | ink|laptop | brefan: yeah, it's not coming up in fdisk |
| 02:46.47 | IronGuard | Now than connection works fine |
| 02:46.49 | IronGuard | :D |
| 02:47.09 | Sebulba02 | np |
| 02:47.40 | Jacobo221 | caphuso: nothing, I just mistook conversation... (4 o'clock in the mornign here... brain asks for sleep ;-)) |
| 02:47.58 | djw | go to bed then |
| 02:48.10 | djw | stop wasting your life away on irc |
| 02:48.14 | lcolleton | qazix: there is only one version listed and it's the version I have now. maybe it broke some other way. |
| 02:48.30 | Jacobo221 | djw: i'm wasting my life configuring the netork :-( |
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| 02:49.10 | djw | Jacobo221: if you do a good job you won't have to reconfigure it ;) |
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| 02:49.37 | djw | this talk of bed makes me thing I should get to bed |
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| 02:49.40 | lcolleton | I was watching a movie happily on my firewire DVD drive using totem. I ran apt-get update and upgrade and then it wouldn't launch again. |
| 02:49.42 | qazix | lcolleton, hrm. apt-get remove --purge totem and apt-get install totem. If that doesn't fix it you can send in a bug report and/or compile an old version yourself. |
| 02:50.16 | qazix | lcolleton, that's odd |
| 02:50.32 | Jacobo221 | djw: i think it's sime sort of bug in ifconfig... notworks works fine except in some peculliar situacions... |
| 02:50.38 | qazix | lcolleton, you could try purging totem's config files in your home dir too |
| 02:50.50 | ink|laptop | brefan: it's showing me as only having one partition and that it's fat (when i actually have several ext3 paritions) |
| 02:50.53 | qazix | lcolleton, or start it up in a terminal and see what happens |
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| 02:51.24 | bztunk | lcolleton: of course you can downgrade.. find the last version deb, and install it with dpkg -i |
| 02:51.33 | lcolleton | qazix: well, I purged the package and the config files in my home dir and now it works. |
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| 02:51.53 | qazix | lcolleton, ah. Probably some incompatible config option. :-? |
| 02:52.00 | lcolleton | except the dvd doesn't work now |
| 02:52.10 | lcolleton | it says it cannot open /dev/scd0 |
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| 02:53.01 | IceZone | question: what is the limitation of vanilla kernel on stable woody cd2 as far as hd size? i assume it has no ext3 support ? |
| 02:53.05 | qazix | ldexter, is it a CSS encrypted DVD? maybe you need to upgrade libdvdcss. |
| 02:53.16 | qazix | er, lcolleton |
| 02:53.25 | freyr_ | im using an old woody rescue.bin disk... It seems to freeze at Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled. Anyone encountered this? |
| 02:53.36 | brefan | ink|laptop: ok, when you are sure the table is corrupt, but the content on the disk is ok, e.g. the partitions are still there you can try to restore the table with gpart |
| 02:54.08 | ink|laptop | i'm pretty sure it's just the partition table |
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| 02:55.09 | brefan | ink|laptop: then give gpart a try, but backup the table first |
| 02:55.59 | IceZone | brefan: your alias is based on something ? |
| 02:56.24 | ink|laptop | heh, i actually have a valid partition table on the root partition of the disk i can't access |
| 02:56.28 | ink|laptop | oh, the irony... |
| 02:56.44 | brefan | IceZone: it's a wordplay with my real name -_- |
| 02:56.54 | lcolleton | qazix: I'm using a shell script to update the firewire DVD drive. It doesn't seem to work anymore. |
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| 02:57.12 | IceZone | okay bbs sysop here and there is a game called BRE thought perhaps.... |
| 02:57.15 | lcolleton | I guess I'll reboot and see if that fixes it |
| 02:57.56 | brefan | no ;) |
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| 03:00.13 | IceZone | question: is there a partition size limitation with ext2? |
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| 03:03.59 | caphuso | IceZone: filesystem size, not partition size, and it's 4tbyte IIRC |
| 03:04.12 | katsujin | Sarge installer is telling me I need to load additional modules from a driver floppy - eepro100 & ide-scsi for one computer and tulip (lne100tx) and ide-scsi for another. Can someone please point me in the right direction to learn how to do this? |
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| 03:05.54 | Curtman | How do I remove a service from a runlevel so it won't be put back next time it upgrades? |
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| 03:06.29 | caphuso | Curtman: rm /etc/rc2.d/SXXwhatever |
| 03:06.35 | darinlh | just rm the symlink |
| 03:06.47 | darinlh | lol |
| 03:06.49 | Curtman | caphuso: Thats what I meant about it not being put back next upgrade, that will be. |
| 03:06.55 | caphuso | Curtman: it won't |
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| 03:07.10 | caphuso | it'll only be put back if you delete it from all /etc/rc?.d/ directories |
| 03:07.15 | Curtman | caphuso: Then why are they? I just apt-get upgraded, and all the one's I rm'd are back. |
| 03:07.44 | Curtman | caphuso: S20openh323gk for example.. I don't need that starting every time. |
| 03:07.44 | ink|laptop | brefan: well, the good news is gpart seems to have detected my paritions correctly |
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| 03:07.53 | ink|laptop | bad news is that it seems to have hung up :( |
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| 03:08.18 | IceZone | caphusa: besides being a 2.4 kernel on the woody cd 4 is there a reason to choose it over vanillia cd 2? |
| 03:08.43 | IceZone | think vanilla cd 2 is a 2.2 kernel? |
| 03:08.51 | novapunkx | Hello. Can someone help me solve this... You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.23-1-k7) |
| 03:08.51 | novapunkx | but you do not seem to have a mkinitrd command in the path. This will |
| 03:08.51 | novapunkx | break the installation. I am aborting now. |
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| 03:09.19 | hksdu | I have my interfaces setup for my eth0, but it doesn't bring it up at start up, any clue? |
| 03:09.33 | vaportrail | run ifup eth0 |
| 03:09.34 | thomas_adam | hksdu: ifup -a |
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| 03:09.46 | brefan | ink|laptop: is there a bad news, too? |
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| 03:09.52 | ink|laptop | bad news is that it seems to have hung up :( |
| 03:09.53 | hksdu | but I don't wanna bring it up manually, I wanna bring it up everytime it boots, any idea? |
| 03:10.20 | caphuso | novapunkx: don't /msg me |
| 03:10.25 | hksdu | do I need to do anything to my rc?.d ? |
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| 03:10.41 | novapunkx | caphuso: Sorry, been trying to wake you up ;) |
| 03:10.41 | caphuso | hksdu: add eth0 to the auto line in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:10.44 | ink|laptop | hksdu: add "auto eth0" to /etc/network/interfeaces |
| 03:10.47 | ink|laptop | loze |
| 03:10.57 | darinlh | put a sym link in the rc"whatever" directory start it with a S and it will start :) |
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| 03:11.02 | novapunkx | caphuso: Look up, that is what is says trying to insall that new kernel. |
| 03:11.04 | hksdu | I have it, like auto lo eth0, does it work? or I have to separate them? |
| 03:11.17 | hksdu | like this: auto lo .... auto eth0....? |
| 03:11.19 | justin` | any idea when packages.debian.org will be back up? |
| 03:11.30 | LoRez | justin`: wir |
| 03:11.35 | novapunkx | justin`: Read topic. |
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| 03:11.44 | mitchix_ | lol @ justin... i want to know why it went down???? |
| 03:11.47 | caphuso | novapunkx: i read it, and i have no idea why that's happening |
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| 03:11.56 | justin` | (: |
| 03:12.00 | brefan | ink|laptop: gpart hang up after it recognized the partition table? |
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| 03:12.27 | IceZone | besides being a 2.4 kernel on the debian cd 4 is there a reason to choose it over vanilla cd 2? |
| 03:12.30 | iBoko_sama | Hey, can someone help me through a net install? I'm having some problems. |
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| 03:12.45 | justin` | novapunkx: i love you |
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| 03:12.56 | dedikerad | hi all! i'm doing webpages in kate and i use the swedish characters å, ä and ö, but sometimes when i save the files å, ä and ö converts to "?" characters. this is very annoying. anything i can do? debian gnu/linux, kde 3.1.4 stable, woody |
| 03:12.58 | hksdu | I have auto lo eth0 on my desktop debian and it works fine, when it put the same thing on my laptop debian, it doesn't work, any ideas? |
| 03:13.01 | novapunkx | caphuso: So what do you think I can do? |
| 03:13.10 | fooz | anyone know where the gnu tls page is? |
| 03:13.11 | novapunkx | justin: That's nice. |
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| 03:13.26 | iBoko_sama | Nobody wants to help the dirty newb :( |
| 03:13.38 | dedikerad | iBoko_sama who? |
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| 03:13.46 | iBoko_sama | Me. |
| 03:13.49 | novapunkx | iBoko_sama: Sometimes they don't answer right away... |
| 03:13.50 | iBoko_sama | I'm the newb. |
| 03:13.53 | iBoko_sama | lol |
| 03:14.02 | bob2 | iBoko_sama: /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:14.05 | vaportrail | whats your question |
| 03:14.13 | ink|laptop | brefan: well, it hung up after guessing my swap parition (in interactive mode) |
| 03:14.16 | iBoko_sama | I am just having problems with a net install |
| 03:14.20 | bob2 | if you want paid support, you're welcome to pay me. |
| 03:14.23 | iBoko_sama | like I don't remember how to pick my NIC |
| 03:14.27 | iBoko_sama | and stuff |
| 03:14.32 | seniorcyberdude | join #knoppix |
| 03:14.32 | iBoko_sama | I haven't installed linux in a while |
| 03:14.49 | g4ivan | iBoko_sama: Oh here we give All newbies a hard time. |
| 03:14.54 | seniorcyberdude | # join knoppix |
| 03:14.57 | vaportrail | if u dont remember just select all of them, then go back later and identify which one is the correct module |
| 03:15.00 | iBoko_sama | I'm not using fucking knoppic. |
| 03:15.00 | bob2 | seniorcyberdude: /j #knoppix |
| 03:15.03 | iBoko_sama | knoppix* |
| 03:15.35 | iBoko_sama | I want to run a counterstrike server using debian, but I am being an idiot |
| 03:15.39 | novapunkx | caphuso: If I used apt for this, would it be ok? kernel-source-2.4.23 |
| 03:15.40 | ljlane | iBoko_sama, relax. He was trying to join another channel. |
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| 03:16.13 | iBoko_sama | Sorry, i'm really stressed out. |
| 03:16.25 | arydon | Knoppix? (hilarity ensues) |
| 03:16.58 | brefan | ink|laptop: gpart scans the whole disk, if it finds a partition, it looks up the size there and jumps forward on your disk |
| 03:17.14 | brefan | ink|laptop: maybe gpart is simply not yet finished |
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| 03:17.29 | arydon | What part of the net install is holding you up, iBoko_sama? |
| 03:17.40 | bizkit | i've booted 2.6.0 and i got a ro root filesystem now, it complains about my reiserfs mount options in fstab. are there any changes? o_0 |
| 03:17.40 | iBoko_sama | Well, I boot from the CD |
| 03:17.43 | ink|laptop | brefan: possibly, but i don't hear any hd spinning |
| 03:17.46 | iBoko_sama | set up my partition, mounted the partition |
| 03:17.57 | iBoko_sama | I just can't select my nic and then select a server and stuff |
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| 03:18.11 | iBoko_sama | and I don't know how to set up the PCI stuff if I have to (it's a pCI NIC) |
| 03:18.16 | brefan | ink|laptop: if you have the information already available you can try to craft the table manually :o |
| 03:18.17 | iBoko_sama | IT's a realtek though, so shouldn't it be easy? |
| 03:18.24 | dedikerad | iBoko_sama load the bf24 kernel |
| 03:18.31 | brefan | ink|laptop: or run a full scan with gpart |
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| 03:18.34 | dsd | When I run "lspci" on woody it said "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci/02/00.0" Anyone know what type of problem I am having? |
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| 03:18.42 | ink|laptop | brefan: hmm..., i could try that |
| 03:18.50 | ink|laptop | (full scan, not hand-building my mbr) |
| 03:18.53 | mwilson | dsd: Did you bother to mount /proc? |
| 03:18.53 | iBoko_sama | dedikerad: What will that do? |
| 03:19.11 | dsd | mwilson: what do you mean mount? |
| 03:19.19 | dedikerad | iBoko_sama some realtek card drivers isn't in the normal 2.2 kernel |
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| 03:19.35 | iBoko_sama | it's an old realtek card |
| 03:19.42 | iBoko_sama | ded: everything in the pc is old |
| 03:19.45 | mwilson | <sigh> It thinks it needs to be using lspci for something and it doesn't even know what 'mount' means... |
| 03:19.52 | dedikerad | iBoko_sama try. it wont take much of your time |
| 03:19.58 | iBoko_sama | ded: Ok, but I mean |
| 03:20.12 | iBoko_sama | ded: I don't even know how to select the NIC or start the net install -- i can't find it |
| 03:20.15 | dsd | mwilson: =( help a brother out =) |
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| 03:20.26 | arydon | iBoko_sama: It's in the Load Kernel Modules section |
| 03:20.49 | iBoko_sama | Ok, brb, the box is in the other room |
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| 03:21.18 | dedikerad | i must say, linux from scratch is a lovely book |
| 03:21.23 | mwilson | dondelelcaro! |
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| 03:21.33 | arydon | "Configure Device Driver Modules" |
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| 03:21.35 | ink|laptop | brefan: well, it detected 5 partitions in under a minute and has been sitting idly for the last 6-7 minutes now... |
| 03:23.13 | brefan | ink|laptop: if that are all your partitions, then kill it |
| 03:23.21 | ink|laptop | ok |
| 03:23.27 | brefan | ink|laptop: try to generate a valid partition table with that info |
| 03:23.39 | katsujin | Hello. I'm trying to switch to Debian. The Sarge installer is telling me I need to load additional modules from a driver floppy - eepro100 & ide-scsi for one computer and tulip (lne100tx) & ide-scsi for another. Can someone tell me where to find out how to do this? |
| 03:24.15 | katsujin | from redhat/fedora |
| 03:24.26 | brefan | ink|laptop: i only had to use gpart once, and that was a while ago, so i dont know that much about it :p |
| 03:24.32 | ink|laptop | brefan: heh, ok |
| 03:24.44 | novapunkx | caphuso: A apt-get -f install is fixing my dependenices. |
| 03:24.49 | ink|laptop | brefan: any idea what's involved in generating my own partition table? |
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| 03:25.07 | ink|laptop | brefan: because i literally have no idea how that would be done |
| 03:25.13 | darinlh | fdisk :) |
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| 03:25.31 | ink|laptop | ah, ok |
| 03:25.38 | jariep | hello |
| 03:25.39 | DBordelo | katsujin, modprobe eepro100; modprobe ide-scsi |
| 03:25.50 | mwilson | dondelelcaro! |
| 03:25.51 | brefan | ink|laptop: gpart did that for me, though i had to do a full interactive scan because it generated wrong partition information now and then |
| 03:26.10 | jariep | can i legally show how cryptography works in a foreign country? |
| 03:26.22 | jariep | being a us citizen |
| 03:26.27 | Justin_ | DBordelo: nice, completely random and incorrect |
| 03:26.31 | ribnitz | jariep: why would it work differently? |
| 03:26.34 | mwilson | depends on the laws there. |
| 03:26.41 | Justin_ | jariep: why dont you go read the laws for that country? |
| 03:26.42 | jariep | can teach? |
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| 03:26.46 | thomas_adam | DBordelo: he said installer, so he cannot run the command |
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| 03:26.52 | arydon | No, only terrorists would need crypto |
| 03:26.55 | jariep | can i teach |
| 03:26.59 | bob2 | jariep: the US won't care. |
| 03:27.11 | bob2 | jariep: unless it's Iraq, Iran, Cuba or North Korea |
| 03:27.25 | thomas_adam | bob2: anywhere in the middle-east then |
| 03:27.25 | katsujin | DBordello: Do i switch to a shell? I downloaded & burned ten sarge CD's? |
| 03:27.28 | DBordelo | justin and thomas_adam sorry guys, didn't read that correctly |
| 03:27.31 | ribnitz | bob2: Lybia? |
| 03:27.46 | thomas_adam | DBordelo: no worries, as the aussies say |
| 03:27.46 | bob2 | ribnitz: is the US "at war" with them? |
| 03:27.54 | Myren | because application level crypto is for terrorists, right? |
| 03:27.57 | ramanujan | is there a notion of a playlist for mplayer? I have a bunch of files that I want to play in it and all the filenames are written on a separate line in a plaintext file |
| 03:28.07 | ribnitz | bob2: no, but I think its also on that list. |
| 03:28.08 | Myren | only a terrorist would want someone from being able to completely fuck with their insecure apps |
| 03:28.17 | jariep | i heard somewhere that you might get fined up to 1 million dollars and prison for 10 years |
| 03:28.17 | thomas_adam | ramanujan: cat the file, translate the contents and pipe it to mplayer |
| 03:28.26 | Justin_ | ramanujan: uh, mplayer file |
| 03:28.31 | jariep | any foreign country |
| 03:28.34 | arydon | All those people posting to mailing lists with PGP sigs: terrorists, I say |
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| 03:28.47 | jariep | but not sure since law changed recently |
| 03:28.55 | Myren | exactly. lock the bastards up. |
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| 03:28.59 | jariep | found 2 court cases in us |
| 03:29.00 | ribnitz | arydon: true. |
| 03:29.05 | ink|laptop | brefan: forget it, i'm reinstalling, thanks for all the help :) |
| 03:29.08 | Myren | better yet, just unleash our army of UAV's on em |
| 03:29.13 | ribnitz | jariep: for posting crypted mail? |
| 03:29.13 | darinlh | anyone here use courier mail? |
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| 03:29.32 | ribnitz | darinlh: only the imapd-ssl component |
| 03:29.36 | Myren | then turn on TieNet and the world will be ours! |
| 03:29.36 | Sebulba02 | darinlh: what of it? |
| 03:29.37 | jariep | no for teaching cryptography to foreigners without a license |
| 03:29.41 | ribnitz | darinlh: not the mt |
| 03:29.43 | ribnitz | darinlh: not the mta |
| 03:29.55 | Jacobo221 | if I open a seconf X instance with "X -indirect 127.0.0.1 :1" how cn I send apps to that new X from the console? |
| 03:30.10 | jariep | but not sure if something has changed |
| 03:30.12 | thomas_adam | Jacobo221: xterm -display foo |
| 03:30.14 | ramanujan | aah, -playlist, doh! |
| 03:30.30 | jariep | new laws in effect but maybe the teaching part is the same |
| 03:30.54 | hksdu | when I do ifup -a, or ifup eth0 or ifconfig eth0 up, it doesn't load the interfaces file configuration at all, help. |
| 03:30.56 | Jacobo221 | thomas_adam: well, wierd, but htat doesn't work... I'm trying wmaker -display :1 |
| 03:31.06 | jariep | how do US programmers develop cryptography? |
| 03:31.10 | thomas_adam | Jacobo221: man Xnest :) |
| 03:31.14 | darinlh | I am about to kill a dang server it won't accept mail for user@domain.com (unknown user) but user@machine.domain.com it thinks is a relay and it wont accept relayss |
| 03:31.33 | DBordelo | Jacobo221, perhaps try settings $DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1 |
| 03:31.39 | bob2 | US programmers can do whatever, as long as it doesn't piss off media companies |
| 03:31.48 | DBordelo | Jacobo221, that would be my guess, echo DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1 |
| 03:31.55 | bob2 | EXPORTING it will get you sent to federal pound my in the ass prison in Cuba |
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| 03:32.19 | jariep | i heard that you can't post source code of cryptography without a license |
| 03:32.21 | Pushkin | hey all |
| 03:32.30 | jariep | that is what debian did |
| 03:32.31 | arydon | Cryptography in the U.S> is soley for dropping bombs and locking digital media |
| 03:32.46 | IronGuard | how I can get x to my linux? |
| 03:32.49 | Pushkin | anyone know of a good way to setup debian with a gui installer easily? |
| 03:32.51 | katsujin | Dbordelo: modprobe eepro100 - no module by that name found - modprobe: failed to load module eepro100 |
| 03:32.53 | thomas_adam | IronGuard: ? |
| 03:32.57 | mwilson | The thing to remember right now is that EVERYTHING in the US is illegal. If you can't afford to be disappeared, or to not be able to come back home, don't do whatever it is you're looking to do. |
| 03:33.02 | IronGuard | thomas_adam, x window system |
| 03:33.05 | IronGuard | kde |
| 03:33.10 | IronGuard | or gnome |
| 03:33.13 | DBordelo | katsujin, yeah, sorry, i was corrected |
| 03:33.14 | thomas_adam | IronGuard: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:33.16 | iBoko_sama | Everyone: I am doing the base install now, but I don't think I'll be able to get net install to work because for some reason DHCP isn't working |
| 03:33.39 | arydon | mwilson: Bingo, the sentiment I've always wanted to express. |
| 03:33.43 | bob2 | jariep: PGP couldn't be exported from the US as source code. so it was printed as a book, then exported, then typed in again in germany. |
| 03:33.50 | darinlh | ironguard use ssh on login it will auto set display and forward X |
| 03:34.05 | arydon | Everything is illegal, that's the default. You should ask what things aren't illegal |
| 03:34.09 | IronGuard | thnx for help, again :D |
| 03:34.18 | Jacobo221 | I get this two messages from Xlib: "connection to 127.0.0.1:1.0 refused by server" and "invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" |
| 03:34.30 | mwilson | arydon: Been in the US lately? Everything is. |
| 03:34.33 | iBoko_sama | mmmm magic cookies |
| 03:34.34 | IronGuard | like u can see, i am newbie this linux version :D |
| 03:34.35 | katsujin | DBordelo: I tried modprobe from the installer shell - "no module by that name found" |
| 03:34.38 | bizkit | why does lsmod not work with 2.6? what do i have to do? |
| 03:34.50 | arydon | mwilson: Yes, I'm seriously agreeing with you. I live in the US. |
| 03:34.54 | DBordelo | bizkit, works for me |
| 03:34.57 | bizkit | QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 03:35.16 | bizkit | DBordelo: did you do any updates for 2.6? |
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| 03:35.32 | DBordelo | bizkit, nope, just compilied from source (kernel.org) |
| 03:35.54 | DBordelo | bizkit, what does it say? |
| 03:36.05 | bizkit | DBordelo: this QM_MODULES.. above |
| 03:36.09 | Justin_ | !tell bztunk about 2.6 |
| 03:36.09 | DBordelo | katsujin, hmmm, sorry, don't know |
| 03:36.16 | Justin_ | grr |
| 03:36.18 | bizkit | :p |
| 03:36.20 | Justin_ | !tell bizkit about 2.6 |
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| 03:36.23 | bizkit | i've read it.. |
| 03:36.31 | Justin_ | bizkit: lying sack of shit |
| 03:36.49 | DBordelo | bizkit, in my man page it states that this version is for kernel 2.5.48 and above, i guess a new version is neaded |
| 03:36.56 | arydon | If I "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" to wipe a hard drive, will that ever "finish" or will it keep writing until I interrupt it? |
| 03:37.07 | DBordelo | bizkit, try updating the package that contains lsmod would be my suggestion |
| 03:37.07 | Justin_ | you read it, yet you have the problem that directly translates to "I didn't read anything about 2.6 before using it" |
| 03:37.18 | Jacobo221 | can xmove have something to do with the problem? |
| 03:37.38 | bizkit | DBordelo: i got version 2.4.26 of lsmod |
| 03:37.44 | bizkit | DBordelo: lsmod -V |
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| 03:37.58 | bancus | there's a python section in debian, right? |
| 03:38.07 | bob2 | bancus: yes |
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| 03:38.08 | bob2 | bancus: in sid |
| 03:38.16 | mwilson | bizkit: Too bad you couldn't be bothered to read anything about what changes have been made for 2.6 |
| 03:38.24 | bancus | bob2: good enough for me, just packaging up a python module |
| 03:38.24 | DBordelo | bizkit, hmmm, mine won't take any arguments |
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| 03:39.18 | Jacobo221 | night |
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| 03:39.44 | bizkit | is asked about 2 times today what i have to install before upgading to 2.6 - now i just installed module-init-tools and everything works... |
| 03:39.44 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.44 | mwilson | == signoff #fvwm by winkle (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [20:47] |
| 03:39.44 | mwilson | == signoff #fvwm by taviso (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [20:47] |
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| 03:40.06 | ApEtc | Oh my. |
| 03:40.12 | bztunk | haha |
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| 03:40.21 | The_Vulture | welcome back |
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| 03:40.43 | mwilson | Apologies to all who were subjected to that. |
| 03:40.46 | Justin_ | mmm bananas |
| 03:40.51 | thomas_adam | mwilson: ;) |
| 03:41.16 | Justin_ | thats why i resisted using irssi for so long, xchat makes that really hard to do :-) |
| 03:41.24 | mwilson | That's the oddest manifestation of that openbox grab bug I've seen yet. |
| 03:41.39 | DBordelo | justin, yeah, i can't even copy/paste half the time when I want to :) |
| 03:42.20 | mwilson | All I did was move the mouse across the screen and suddenly it was doing whatever it wanted to. |
| 03:42.39 | Justin_ | pft, feed the mouse gnomes more often |
| 03:42.40 | thomas_adam | mwilson: gpm? |
| 03:42.48 | mwilson | Usually what it does is random workspace switching. |
| 03:43.01 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Not in any of MY boxen, thank you very much. |
| 03:43.18 | thomas_adam | mwilson: heh, me neither. |
| 03:43.25 | mwilson | thomas_adam: No, openbox gets wedged somehow. |
| 03:43.36 | thomas_adam | mwilson: odd |
| 03:43.48 | katsujin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.50 | mwilson | thomas_adam: That's the first time I've seen it decide to send events to a window, though. |
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| 03:44.01 | katsujin | mwilson: I mean does it have a wheel? |
| 03:44.09 | mwilson | Usually it's a mouse grab that it forgets to let go of. |
| 03:44.31 | thomas_adam | mwilson: openbox has a similar setup to fvwm? Workspaces, etc? |
| 03:44.55 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Workspaces, no viewports. |
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| 03:45.01 | thomas_adam | mwilson: ah |
| 03:45.10 | mwilson | Or viewports, but no workspaces, depending on which way you use that syntax. |
| 03:45.15 | thomas_adam | mwilson: ha |
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| 03:46.40 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 03:46.43 | | Passed |
| 03:46.51 | thomas_adam | silence is golden |
| 03:46.58 | gb | ey? |
| 03:47.02 | mwilson | As long as xor can't replicate the bug on HIS machines, he's not convinced it exists, and no one else seems to be able to find a reliable set of circumstances to make it happen. |
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| 03:47.57 | thomas_adam | gb: ouch |
| 03:48.02 | darinlh | night all |
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| 03:48.56 | katsujin | Goodnight - Klaatu verada niktu! |
| 03:49.06 | mwilson | "barada" |
| 03:49.16 | katsujin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.50 | TML | EEP! "ioctl FIBMAP: Operation not permitted" from lilo...anyone know how to fix that? Or even the cause? |
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| 03:50.19 | TML | ('EEP' is an exlamation of surprised shock, not part of the error. :) |
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| 03:50.41 | bztunk | !eep |
| 03:50.42 | dpkg | eep eep! |
| 03:50.46 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 03:50.49 | bztunk | >!botsnack |
| 03:50.52 | bztunk | !botsnack |
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| 03:50.53 | dpkg | bztunk: :) |
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| 03:51.44 | DBordelo | mmmmm, 600+ idlers |
| 03:52.05 | thomas_adam | DBordelo: 599, now |
| 03:52.07 | bztunk | DBordelo: that's the spirit |
| 03:52.22 | DBordelo | :) |
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| 03:53.37 | Devi0s | I could really use some help with iptables if anyone has a moment to help me... I am trying to set up my ruleset to allow passive ftp... |
| 03:54.46 | p-man | gcc 3.3 + kernel-2.4.20 != compile |
| 03:55.07 | DBordello | is the server or client on the box you at trying to define rules for? |
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| 03:56.30 | bztunk | p-man: and why are you trying to compile 2.4.20? |
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| 03:56.57 | p-man | bztunk: I want ebtables on a kernel close to 2.4.19 |
| 03:56.59 | Ekdikeo | any recommendations for decent X based email programs that will handle local mail spools? |
| 03:57.11 | Nurbs | p-man: why close to 2.4.19? |
| 03:57.16 | bztunk | mutt & xterm |
| 03:57.16 | gb | mutt |
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| 03:57.21 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: kmail, sylpheed |
| 03:57.30 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: there's *loads* |
| 03:57.35 | DBordello | evolution |
| 03:57.37 | bztunk | Ekdikeo: even evolution will btw |
| 03:57.56 | Ekdikeo | *evolution doesn't like debian* |
| 03:57.59 | p-man | Nurbs: I tried to port some software that was written for 2.4.19 to 20+ebtables |
| 03:58.10 | DBordello | Ekdikeo, no? It likes me then |
| 03:58.15 | Penix | likes me a lot |
| 03:58.21 | p-man | that compile problem should be fixed by this: http://www.dilger.at/index.php?show=kernel_gcc33 |
| 03:58.35 | p-man | just an FYI if anyone is doing the same |
| 03:58.39 | Nurbs | p-man: hmm. hopefully you port it to 2.4.24+ after that :) |
| 03:58.41 | Ekdikeo | i saw no feasible way of installing evolution under anything not red-hat |
| 03:58.46 | beta3 | ok this is the strangest thing |
| 03:58.53 | beta3 | I can't access www.septa.org |
| 03:59.01 | beta3 | but the other two computers behind me can |
| 03:59.02 | beta3 | odd |
| 03:59.03 | DBordello | Ekdikeo, apt-get install evolution |
| 03:59.06 | Penix | Ekdikeo: wtf are you talking about |
| 03:59.07 | bztunk | Ekdikeo: it worked on my sid box, for the week i used it |
| 03:59.09 | p-man | Nurbs: unfortunately it's a hack on my part, I am not a kernel programmar :) |
| 03:59.27 | DBordello | Ekdikeo, you might be refering to Ximian desktop or what ever it is |
| 03:59.31 | bztunk | !penixstrike Penix |
| 03:59.33 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 03:59.36 | bztunk | :( |
| 03:59.40 | bztunk | dpkg: bad bot! |
| 03:59.41 | dpkg | *sniff* I can't help it! xk made me this way! *sniff* |
| 03:59.46 | Nurbs | lol |
| 03:59.50 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:59.53 | DBordello | hah |
| 04:00.00 | Nurbs | beta3: ECN turned on? maybe some MTU issue? |
| 04:00.10 | Ekdikeo | well, i'm not installing 85MB of software to get my email handled. lol |
| 04:00.20 | beta3 | ecn? |
| 04:00.27 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: sylpheed-claws |
| 04:00.30 | Nurbs | explicity congestion notification |
| 04:00.32 | p-man | beta3: are you pinging the site ? |
| 04:00.34 | Nurbs | -y |
| 04:00.39 | bztunk | Ekdikeo: then use mutt |
| 04:00.46 | nictuku | to which package should i issue a bug conserning kde? kde, kdebase? |
| 04:00.52 | nictuku | concerning.. |
| 04:01.00 | nictuku | whatever. |
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| 04:01.03 | DBordello | could mail handle what you need? |
| 04:01.19 | Nurbs | beta3: some routing stuff iirc :) enabled by default if you compile it into the kernel, but can give weird results with some routers on the net |
| 04:01.20 | beta3 | Nurbs: how do I know if its turned on, I probably did |
| 04:01.24 | Ekdikeo | well, i've got some 1500+ messages in my box |
| 04:01.27 | thomas_adam | mail as in mailx |
| 04:01.33 | DBordello | Ekdikeo, oooh |
| 04:01.43 | Nurbs | beta3: sysctl sys.net.ipv4.tcp_ecn iirc |
| 04:01.45 | Ekdikeo | i'll try sylpheed, that only required installing 10MB software |
| 04:01.46 | Ekdikeo | jesus what bloat |
| 04:01.47 | Ekdikeo | lol |
| 04:02.01 | Penix | wtf do you expect |
| 04:02.06 | nictuku | try sylpheed-claws. |
| 04:02.06 | p-man | Ekdikeo: I take it you don't use gnome |
| 04:02.07 | beta3 | Nurbs: thanks, that fixed it |
| 04:02.09 | DBordello | sylpheed is nice |
| 04:02.09 | Nurbs | beta3: should be 0 or not exist |
| 04:02.11 | Penix | a 600k gtk mail client or something? |
| 04:02.16 | Nurbs | beta3: huh? what fixed it? :) |
| 04:02.20 | ribnitz | Ekdikeo: I have a box with about 1800 messages I run with a wbmail iface |
| 04:02.25 | Ekdikeo | nah, i have no gnome or kde |
| 04:02.33 | p-man | :( |
| 04:02.43 | Ekdikeo | with "only" 128mb on my system, gnome and kde are useless |
| 04:02.47 | cappicard | bwahaha... it's the FUD: Part deux! http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp |
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| 04:03.27 | thomas_adam | I said sylpheed-clawa ages ago, FFS |
| 04:03.29 | ribnitz | Ekdikeo: Sypheed is very nice & fast. |
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| 04:03.51 | p-man | when is the next release of debian stable ? anyone know ? |
| 04:03.52 | Penix | sylpheed-claws only depends on basic libs it needs, like gtk. if you don't have gtk or xlibs or anything installed, of course you're gonna have to install a fair bit |
| 04:03.53 | ribnitz | Ekdikeo: though you need at least claws.. |
| 04:03.55 | DBordello | Anyone use anything special to view pictures. Nautilus can't switch between them easily for viewing |
| 04:04.01 | Ekdikeo | hmm. i need to figure out how to get this dpkg issue i've got going |
| 04:04.10 | Nurbs | beta3: EHLO? :) |
| 04:04.25 | Ekdikeo | i did a manual X upgrade to 4.3.0, because 4.2.0 is useless to me.. and now apt-get is just freaking out on trying to install updated X packages |
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| 04:04.39 | pmcalpin | has anyone been able to compile evolution? i keep on getting hung up on the db3 requirement. it tells me that the library isn't there. config.log says that there are unresolved dependancies with pthread/mutex stuff |
| 04:04.45 | Penix | DBordello: gqview |
| 04:04.48 | p-man | DBordello: gThumb 2.1.1 works fine for me |
| 04:04.55 | Nurbs | pmcalpin: what's wrong with the debs? |
| 04:04.58 | eonbleu | pmcalpin when did you first realize you were a dumb nig? |
| 04:05.01 | mwilson | Ekdikeo: Yes, you deliberately broke the packaging system, now you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 04:05.14 | pmcalpin | eonbleu: yes |
| 04:05.26 | Ekdikeo | mwilson: thanks, i believe we had this discussion about "you're a gigantic asshole" last time I was here. lol |
| 04:05.29 | Penix | "nig"? |
| 04:05.35 | pmcalpin | Nurbs: looking for a challenge i suppose |
| 04:05.38 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: ha |
| 04:05.50 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:05.54 | pmcalpin | i can't even do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' from the source that apt-get gave me |
| 04:05.56 | mwilson | Ekdikeo: Yes, I certainly am an asshole for telling you what you've done. |
| 04:05.59 | Penix | time for a "Ekdikeo is a gigantic moron" discussion |
| 04:06.11 | Ekdikeo | mwilson: I was well aware of that, before I said that. |
| 04:06.19 | DBordello | p-man, thanks, i like it |
| 04:06.25 | mwilson | Ekdikeo: I should instead pat you on the head and tell you everything will be all right. |
| 04:06.26 | Nurbs | pmcalpin: apt-get builddep |
| 04:06.38 | Nurbs | build-dep even |
| 04:06.43 | ljlane | apt-get install build-depends |
| 04:07.01 | Nurbs | apt-get build-dep evolution even |
| 04:07.31 | DBordello | Penix, thanks |
| 04:07.33 | pmcalpin | ... no build-depends package |
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| 04:07.40 | eonbleu | i think i shat myself after reading that one |
| 04:07.45 | pmcalpin | closest thing is build-essential |
| 04:07.52 | Nurbs | ... |
| 04:07.55 | Nurbs | I feel ignored :) |
| 04:08.02 | Nurbs | also, the man page feels ignored. |
| 04:08.24 | pmcalpin | k, got it now |
| 04:08.31 | pmcalpin | (the build-dep i mean) |
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| 04:08.55 | knoppix | Hey, having trouble doing debootstrap. |
| 04:09.07 | knoppix | crap |
| 04:09.23 | thomas_adam | knoppix: /J #knoppix then ;) |
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| 04:09.30 | wasabi2 | k. |
| 04:10.02 | Ekdikeo | sure, it'll be alright. i just need to figure out where the file i have to remove is that's breaking the whole program. pretty sad that an entire packaging system is completely obliterated by such as thing as a single link pointing to the wrong place. and then, rather than fixing it, or telling you what it's expecting, so the user can fix it, it just says "error" and dies. |
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| 04:10.23 | thomas_adam | err |
| 04:10.33 | Penix | pretty sad that you managed to do what you did |
| 04:10.34 | mwilson | File you have to remove? |
| 04:10.42 | mwilson | What file would that be? |
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| 04:11.14 | De_Mon | grrrr which logging daemon prints messages is /var/log/messages and why is it printing them instead to messages.0 |
| 04:11.23 | mwilson | If you wanted X430, why didn't you use the experimental packages? |
| 04:11.30 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: syslogd |
| 04:11.30 | Penix | why would it use messages.0?... |
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| 04:11.50 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: you have a fatal mis-understanding |
| 04:12.02 | eonbleu | thomas_adam is causing some blips on my NIGdar |
| 04:12.14 | Ekdikeo | see, that's the part that i don't know yet. it simply errors with " /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb symbolic link points to wrong location" |
| 04:12.26 | Penix | wtf is this "nig" shit? |
| 04:12.31 | Ekdikeo | well, i need to figure out where it's expecting it to point to, rather than what i need to rm |
| 04:12.41 | pmcalpin | checking for db3 library name... configure: error: Could not find db3 library |
| 04:12.43 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: apt-get install chase && chase /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb |
| 04:12.44 | pmcalpin | =( |
| 04:13.04 | thomas_adam | Penix: dunno |
| 04:13.08 | Nurbs | Penix: broken terminal or something I'd imagine |
| 04:13.09 | bancus | I'm getting an ImportError in python when I try to use distutils. I don't think that should be happening. |
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| 04:13.57 | De_Mon | thomas_adam what is my faal mis-understanding? |
| 04:14.05 | eonbleu | De_Mon that youre a nig |
| 04:14.16 | Penix | stop saying nig ffs |
| 04:14.18 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: that syslog logs to /var/log/messages and not messages.0 |
| 04:14.31 | Blah | #blenderchat |
| 04:14.35 | Blah | mt |
| 04:15.19 | Ekdikeo | thomas_adam: yes, i see where it DOES go.. but i need to see where dpkg thinks it SHOULD go. :D |
| 04:15.41 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: edit the pre_inst script for the package then |
| 04:15.51 | thomas_adam | helix_: ;) |
| 04:16.04 | helix_ | thomas_adam: Howdy. |
| 04:16.27 | helix` | haha |
| 04:16.29 | bztunk | helix_: wtf, identity crises? |
| 04:16.31 | Ekdikeo | thomas_adam: where might i find that? |
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| 04:17.13 | helix` | all these helices |
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| 04:17.30 | helix_ | It's the helix helix.... |
| 04:17.39 | helix_ | helix`: ...or would that be a helix matrix? |
| 04:17.42 | bob2 | a triple helix. |
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| 04:17.48 | bob2 | a full 150% more helixy than regular hellii |
| 04:17.49 | peterS | figure skating, now? |
| 04:17.55 | De_Mon | thomas_adam its logging to messages.0 in purpose? so this empty file is here, why again? |
| 04:17.59 | bztunk | helix reloaded |
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| 04:18.00 | De_Mon | on |
| 04:18.03 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: logrotate |
| 04:18.10 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: man logrotate |
| 04:18.13 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: man cron |
| 04:18.25 | De_Mon | im fully aware of what they do |
| 04:18.33 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: so why the question, then? |
| 04:18.43 | thomas_adam | ~fix De_Mon |
| 04:18.48 | | ACTION takes De_Mon to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:19.00 | De_Mon | syslogd is logging TO messages.0 |
| 04:19.25 | Penix | then you fubar'd your config or something |
| 04:19.28 | De_Mon | its not being moved there by logrotate its putting new messags, as of 3min ago in there. |
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| 04:19.52 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: tradgic |
| 04:20.10 | Ekdikeo | thomas_adam: where might i find the pre_inst script for the package that is breaking me? heh |
| 04:20.14 | De_Mon | thomas_adam which, that you assumed i didnt know what i was talking about? |
| 04:20.53 | g4lt | De_Mon what gets me is if you know all about it, why are you asking instead of fixing? |
| 04:20.54 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: sorry, but I wouldn't be as stupid as to bugger my configuration for something so important as that, to be honest. |
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| 04:21.19 | bancus | ~find distutils.py |
| 04:21.48 | bancus | baffling |
| 04:21.55 | bancus | where the hell did it go |
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| 04:22.07 | mwilson | oh, goodie... a new version of mutt |
| 04:22.10 | Ekdikeo | eh, i found it. thanks, thomas_adam |
| 04:22.16 | bancus | I had it less than a month ago, when I first made this script... |
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| 04:22.33 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: yw |
| 04:22.35 | Penix | ~tell Rath about root |
| 04:22.38 | De_Mon | you assume i touched the config, if anything touched it, it was debian |
| 04:23.02 | De_Mon | and thats just as unlikely as me fucking it up myself |
| 04:23.06 | maher | helix`: wassup? |
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| 04:23.16 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: su -c 'killall -9 init' |
| 04:23.17 | helix` | maher: did you get your email? |
| 04:23.39 | maher | helix`: indeed - i was just about to reply, but thought i might find you here :) |
| 04:23.40 | De_Mon | nope |
| 04:23.44 | helix` | ah, ok :) |
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| 04:23.59 | helix` | i'm scared to try it. it says "yeast" on the front :/ |
| 04:24.17 | maher | helix`: don't worry - its been extracted |
| 04:24.18 | mwilson | console-common is b0rken again. <sigh> |
| 04:24.20 | TravisBarker | i just installed your your wonderfull apt-get to my RedHat 8.0 box and have done the $apt-get update ... i see 3 different sources for packages here, but i dont knowhow to view the list from a source |
| 04:24.44 | maher | helix`: anyway - its good for you and tasty - contains many vitamins and other small things like that |
| 04:24.57 | TravisBarker | im ready to apt-get <some package> but i dont know wha tpackages are avaliable |
| 04:25.03 | drega | where can i change what wm starts with startx? |
| 04:25.12 | thomas_adam | drega: edit ~/.xsession |
| 04:25.13 | maher | helix`: you need some toast |
| 04:25.15 | Nurbs | TravisBarker: install and use apt-cache |
| 04:25.25 | helix` | maher: it looks like diesel fuel |
| 04:25.27 | helix` | or something |
| 04:25.38 | helix` | it smells like this vitamin stuff i gave my cats one time.. |
| 04:25.40 | maher | helix`: don't worry - it tastes way better |
| 04:25.46 | TravisBarker | $apt-get install apt-cache ? |
| 04:25.46 | modconf | no idea, TravisBarker |
| 04:25.56 | thomas_adam | TravisBarker: as root |
| 04:25.57 | helix` | whoa, SALT |
| 04:26.06 | helix` | not bad though |
| 04:26.08 | Ekdikeo | hmm. sylpheed doesn't function. |
| 04:26.09 | TravisBarker | how do i know what to apt-get if i cant view a list of packages |
| 04:26.10 | ryushe | TravisBarker > dunno, this is a #debian channel, not a #redhat-with-apt channel ;) |
| 04:26.15 | drega | thomas_adam: when i create .session the xserver fails to start |
| 04:26.17 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: yes it does |
| 04:26.21 | drega | without one kde starts fine |
| 04:26.35 | maher | helix`: the traditional method is to spread it (thinly) on toast... |
| 04:26.42 | maher | helix`: it is very salty tho |
| 04:26.48 | helix` | will dried rye bread work? |
| 04:26.49 | thomas_adam | drega: touch ~/.xsession && echo "exec some_wm" >> ~/.xsession && chmod 700 ~/.xsession |
| 04:26.52 | TravisBarker | if i had not mentioned the red hat part of my intro the apt get question would stand just as valid |
| 04:27.00 | TravisBarker | red hat has nothing to do with it |
| 04:27.06 | drega | also in kde my keyboard layout is all fuxsord. i only have an option for a "c" how do i add another layout to kde so i can type |
| 04:27.06 | TravisBarker | its a apt-get question |
| 04:27.16 | maher | helix`: yes - i always put butter on those things as well... |
| 04:27.29 | helix` | maher: good.. i just bought some today :) |
| 04:27.35 | bancus | ls |
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| 04:27.50 | SexyKen | So guys, can 'df' ever be inaccurate? |
| 04:27.51 | Ekdikeo | if i want it to use my local mailbox spool, i should leave it set for "Mail" as it suggests? or should i tell it /var/mail ? |
| 04:28.41 | klontj | TravisBarker : try using synaptic - a frontend which will allow you to view available packages |
| 04:28.59 | ryushe | the lack of responses should tell you something TravisBarker :) libgd2-noxpm: Conflicts: libgd2-xpm but 2.0.16-1 is to be installed |
| 04:28.59 | ryushe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.05 | TravisBarker | great klontj |
| 04:29.06 | TravisBarker | thanks |
| 04:29.23 | TravisBarker | thanks for not being an ASS like ryushe |
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| 04:29.35 | De_Mon | thomas_adam it turns out the pidfile got flushed by something, so restarting sysklogd from init.d didnt do anything. just came in here for a sanity check that syslog is what i should be looking at. |
| 04:30.04 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: should have sent it a -HUP signal, but well done. |
| 04:30.27 | ryushe | yay! I'm an ass :) |
| 04:30.37 | Ekdikeo | hmmm. |
| 04:30.39 | thomas_adam | ryushe: you donkey, you! |
| 04:30.50 | ryushe | yeah :) |
| 04:31.13 | De_Mon | i was more irritated than that, its lucky i didnt kill -9 the pos |
| 04:31.23 | DBordello | lol |
| 04:31.37 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: if you kill -9 syslogd, then err...you're an ass! |
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| 04:32.24 | Vinland | anyone familar with pure ftp? |
| 04:32.30 | mwilson | hm, mutt still works |
| 04:32.52 | thomas_adam | Vinland: as in ftp commands? |
| 04:33.00 | Ekdikeo | aha... w00t i got it |
| 04:33.01 | Vinland | no as in the server |
| 04:33.09 | thomas_adam | Vinland: proFTPd? |
| 04:33.13 | Ekdikeo | now, i just need to figure out some spam filters. hehe |
| 04:33.17 | Vinland | pure ftp |
| 04:33.30 | DBordello | Ekdikeo, spamassassin is great |
| 04:33.31 | Vinland | 'm downloading pure ftp and I'm wondering what the difference is between 16 & 16c and between origianl and diff |
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| 04:33.46 | bob2 | Vinland: just install the bloody debian package. |
| 04:33.54 | thomas_adam | bob2: chill :) |
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| 04:34.35 | Penix | boil |
| 04:34.41 | isaac_ | is resize_reiserfs safe? |
| 04:34.49 | Ekdikeo | cool. since Mozilla miraculously decided one day that it would no longer download any email from my server (said i was out of disk space, even though I had 9GB still free) |
| 04:35.01 | bob2 | wenas? |
| 04:35.03 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: quota? |
| 04:35.04 | Vinland | bob2- apt-get install pure-ftp wont work |
| 04:35.05 | Penix | wenas |
| 04:35.06 | Ekdikeo | i decided i would look into downloading mail to my local spool, handling it locally, and using some other email reader |
| 04:35.13 | bob2 | Vinland: is that the actual name of the package? |
| 04:35.17 | Ekdikeo | nope, quotas are not installed |
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| 04:35.34 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: were you out of inodes? |
| 04:35.41 | thomas_adam | df -i |
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| 04:35.49 | Ekdikeo | no, i didn't have any problems writing files of virtually any size from any other program |
| 04:35.49 | Vinland | bob2- apt-cache search ftp or pure ftp doesnt give me anything |
| 04:37.06 | bob2 | so use another one |
| 04:37.32 | Penix | wish I was going to lca this year. want to steal the $39,000 dual power4 server |
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| 04:37.42 | Vinland | well it gives me results...not anything with pure ftp |
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| 04:38.07 | thomas_adam | Vinland: either google for it or use another server, ffs |
| 04:38.16 | Ekdikeo | well, if nothing else 'sylpheed' is insanely faster than mozilla mail or anything else i've tried that didn't end up working |
| 04:38.16 | DBordello | Vinland, stryker:/home/dan# apt-cache search ftp |grep pure |
| 04:38.17 | DBordello | pure-ftpd - Pure-FTPd FTP server |
| 04:38.18 | thomas_adam | Vinland: debian comes with plenty of others |
| 04:38.19 | bob2 | Vinland: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:38.24 | bob2 | DBordello: not. in. woody. |
| 04:38.42 | DBordello | oh, didn't realize he was in woody |
| 04:38.52 | thomas_adam | backports.org then |
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| 04:39.31 | jabest | any reason its not in woody? |
| 04:39.42 | thomas_adam | jabest: yes, released after woody froze |
| 04:39.42 | Penix | because it was naughty |
| 04:39.48 | jabest | ah i c |
| 04:39.52 | jabest | :) |
| 04:39.52 | thomas_adam | Penix: heh |
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| 04:40.47 | bob2 | Penix: naughty things can go in woody |
| 04:40.56 | gravity | Unfortunately |
| 04:40.57 | Penix | like mozilla 1.0? |
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| 04:41.11 | gravity | 1.0 wasn't bad. It's just... dated now |
| 04:41.17 | thomas_adam | given 'woody's name, it is naughty by default, depending on how your mind works |
| 04:41.20 | Penix | naughty. not bad |
| 04:41.27 | Penix | heh |
| 04:41.29 | gravity | Hehe |
| 04:41.40 | Penix | depending if your mind works like a 10 year old's |
| 04:41.50 | thomas_adam | Penix: sorry, Dad. |
| 04:41.51 | IronGuard | thank for help. now I leave this channel and go sleep |
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| 04:42.14 | Penix | thomas_adam: go to your room. no security updates for a month |
| 04:42.17 | gravity | Hooray for English |
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| 04:42.48 | Penix | you'll thank me one day |
| 04:43.02 | thomas_adam | ;) |
| 04:43.15 | Penix | you're lucky you didn't get a spanking |
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| 04:43.26 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
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| 04:43.36 | slaphappy | a spanking a spanking!!!1 |
| 04:43.38 | PingLH | anyone know how i change my resolution on knoppix? |
| 04:43.40 | bztunk | And it's mr. "Penix" that's talking |
| 04:43.46 | thomas_adam | security updates? Nah, I'm running sid |
| 04:44.03 | thomas_adam | PingLH: stronger lenses for your glasses? |
| 04:44.04 | bztunk | PingLH: #knoppix |
| 04:44.06 | slaphappy | Ping: got to do it at boot....are |
| 04:44.15 | thomas_adam | PingLH: magnifying glass? |
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| 04:44.28 | slaphappy | Ping: are you running off cd or full install |
| 04:44.32 | PingLH | hd install |
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| 04:44.43 | PingLH | vmware hd install |
| 04:44.44 | bztunk | thomas_adam: there's stuff called refresh rate & sucky monitors you know |
| 04:44.45 | slaphappy | #knoppix channels are useless.... |
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| 04:44.59 | thomas_adam | PingLH: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:45.07 | slaphappy | Ping:.....hmmmm....not sure if you are using vmware... |
| 04:45.14 | thomas_adam | bztunk: yes, and then there's xvidtune |
| 04:45.15 | gravity | If the channels are useless it says more about knoppix than anything |
| 04:45.15 | PingLH | i dont have xf86 -4 just -3 |
| 04:45.21 | PingLH | does it make a differents? |
| 04:45.22 | thomas_adam | PingLH: edit that then |
| 04:45.26 | thomas_adam | PingLH: no |
| 04:45.34 | slaphappy | Gravity: LOL....most people there just don't speak english |
| 04:45.49 | gravity | slaphappy: Really? All German? |
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| 04:45.56 | slaphappy | Not sure.... |
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| 04:46.03 | slaphappy | all greek to me....LOL |
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| 04:49.11 | johnnyrags | hi, im trying to config my XF86Config-4 on debian to support my voodoo3 pci card. I have it trying to run in VGA mode, but the best it will give me for resolution is the generic of 320x200. can anyone help me out? |
| 04:49.23 | thomas_adam | johnnyrags: try VESA |
| 04:49.30 | PingLH | thomas_adam, if i am using a laptop keyboard how do I now what keyboard to select? |
| 04:49.33 | johnk | should I be able to apt-cache search unstable if I'm setup for stable? |
| 04:49.35 | johnnyrags | thanx, i'll try it |
| 04:49.37 | thomas_adam | johnnyrags: what does lscpi -v tell you about your chipset? |
| 04:49.45 | johnnyrags | one sec, running it |
| 04:49.53 | thomas_adam | PingLH: depends what console-tools has it defined as |
| 04:49.54 | PingLH | standard 101-keys? |
| 04:50.09 | thomas_adam | PingLH: standard layout, american |
| 04:50.19 | slaphappy | LOL.... |
| 04:50.20 | PingLH | i just pick that i guess |
| 04:50.46 | johnnyrags | thomas_adam i cant run it. probably because im not in the right dir |
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| 04:52.10 | thomas_adam | johnnyrags: apt-get install pciutils |
| 04:52.19 | davidmccabe | I notice that there is no Majordomo package in sid. Anybody happen to know why this is? |
| 04:52.22 | johnnyrags | k |
| 04:52.34 | wasabi2 | Heya. I just got meself a AMD64. Is there anything special I need to do to compile a 64bit kernel? |
| 04:52.50 | thomas_adam | wasabi2: use a 64-bit compiler |
| 04:52.53 | wasabi2 | ahh hah |
| 04:52.54 | johnnyrags | thomas_adam: changing to VESA did seem to work. it loaded into 16 bit 800x600. thanx! |
| 04:53.04 | thomas_adam | johnnyrags: yw |
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| 04:53.13 | wasabi2 | Debian's GCC doesn't happen to be 64 bit does it? :) |
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| 04:53.30 | wasabi2 | alas |
| 04:54.07 | Justin_ | no, it just supports that funny x86-64 thing |
| 04:54.25 | wasabi2 | confused. |
| 04:54.33 | bob2 | wasabi2: what are you talking about? |
| 04:54.37 | wasabi2 | not sure. :) |
| 04:54.42 | thomas_adam | wasabi2: you're out of your depth ;) |
| 04:54.47 | wasabi2 | yeah i am |
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| 04:54.52 | bob2 | gcc in Debian supports generating 64-bit code |
| 04:54.54 | bob2 | of course |
| 04:54.57 | kers | i just got my hands on a debian box to admin from remote, is apt-get update all a bad idea? |
| 04:55.01 | wasabi2 | so... make-kpkg Just Works? :) |
| 04:55.12 | thomas_adam | kers: apt-get -u dist-upgrade more like |
| 04:55.12 | bob2 | stop it |
| 04:55.28 | bob2 | do you mean "can Debian's x86 gcc create 64-bit kernels for amd64 machines?"? |
| 04:55.28 | thomas_adam | kers: apt-get upfdate is only ever run after changing the sources.list file |
| 04:55.31 | bob2 | if so, say that |
| 04:55.32 | wasabi2 | yes. |
| 04:55.34 | wasabi2 | Err. |
| 04:55.41 | Ekdikeo | hmm. after i have done an apt-get install spamassassin, how would i check to see if it's actually doing anything.... |
| 04:55.44 | wasabi2 | I didn't know what to ask. :0 |
| 04:55.52 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: ps wax | grep spam |
| 04:55.52 | wasabi2 | <wasabi2> Heya. I just got meself a AMD64. Is there anything special I need to do to compile a 64bit kernel? |
| 04:55.55 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: by reading the documentation |
| 04:56.06 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: it doesn't do anything until you tell it it to |
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| 04:56.10 | thomas_adam | bob2: docs? what's that then? |
| 04:56.11 | pmcalpin | Ekdikeo: send yourself an email and check the headers for X-Spam* |
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| 04:56.22 | johnk | Ekdikeo: /usr/share/doc/spamassassin (or similar) |
| 04:56.24 | kers | thomas_adam: ah, but 'dist-upgrade' would work? damn, debian seem very smooth |
| 04:56.28 | Ekdikeo | well, i'm curious as to if the install script for apt- has installed it to run automatically on mail spools. i am reading the docs :p |
| 04:56.37 | bob2 | Ekdikeo: no, it hasn't |
| 04:56.39 | thomas_adam | kers: fundamentally, your question was poor ;) |
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| 04:57.08 | pmcalpin | Ekdikoe: you'll probably have to set your email to get fed through spamassassin or spamc (with spamd running) |
| 04:57.09 | kers | thomas_adam: heh, thanks anyways |
| 04:57.15 | thomas_adam | kers: yw |
| 04:57.55 | thomas_adam | kers: yes, dist-upgrade would work, but as to why you would want to run apt-get update, is beyond me, unless you had the intention of a dist-upgrade. |
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| 04:58.38 | thomas_adam | kers: and had edited sources.list beforehand. |
| 04:58.38 | Ekdikeo | hmm. one thing i notice about sylpheed is the euro-date format.. ugh |
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| 04:59.02 | AnitaLove | hello everybody |
| 04:59.17 | slaphappy | EKdikeo: what is sylpheed? |
| 04:59.25 | thomas_adam | slaphappy: an e-mail client |
| 04:59.35 | slaphappy | ok thanks... |
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| 04:59.36 | thomas_adam | what is it with STUPID questions today? |
| 04:59.38 | kers | thomas_adam: oh well, i just did a very quick check on the parameters for apt-get and just wanted to know for my ease of mind if there was a quick way to get all security updates in one punch of if i had to go trough the box, find whats installed and do it one by one by hand |
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| 04:59.54 | kyll | i got a domain pointed at a ip (ie. domain.net). when i logon irc i got the host ident@domain.net. i would like to have some text before the domain.net. like ident@this.is.my.domain.net. can someone please point me in the direction so i can figure out how to do this |
| 04:59.56 | thomas_adam | kers: is this woody you're using? |
| 05:00.05 | Penix | maybe there was a fuckup in some space time thingy and it's monday somewhere |
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| 05:00.12 | kers | thomas_adam: yeah |
| 05:00.14 | davidmccabe | I notice that sid is rather devoid of popular mailing list software. Is it because this stuff isn't Free? What's the deal? |
| 05:00.19 | thomas_adam | kers: apt-setup |
| 05:00.25 | bob2 | davidmccabe: e.g.? |
| 05:00.29 | thomas_adam | kers: ensure that you're using security patches |
| 05:00.38 | bob2 | davidmccabe: if something isn't in Debian, it's because either no one cares or it's not Free. |
| 05:00.40 | thomas_adam | bob2: he means majordormo |
| 05:00.45 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Uh, you write for whom you write, and you're concerned about stupid questions? |
| 05:00.46 | davidmccabe | bob2: majordomo |
| 05:00.47 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:00.50 | AnitaLove | I just restarted my computer and I whenever I try to startx, I get the following errors http://christina.myvnc.com/anitalove/error.txt. can anybody please help? |
| 05:00.50 | p-man | does anyone know where I can find a list of kernels that compile under gcc 3.3 |
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| 05:01.02 | thomas_adam | mwilson: ? |
| 05:01.05 | bob2 | p-man: just use 2.95 |
| 05:01.09 | johnk | davidmccabe: what about listar/ecartis? Isn't that in sid? I call it popular nowadays. |
| 05:01.14 | kers | thomas_adam: ok, well, i guess i should read trough the docs before i *do* something anyways, just wanted to know how fancy debian was ;) |
| 05:01.21 | localhost | AnitaLove: 404 Not Found... |
| 05:01.23 | thomas_adam | kers: ;) |
| 05:01.30 | p-man | bob2: I made the mistake of upgrading to "testing" and got gcc 3.3 with it |
| 05:01.31 | AnitaLove | hmm? |
| 05:01.42 | bob2 | p-man: irelevant. |
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| 05:01.42 | dasunt | Well, xmove + ssh seems to be a no-go. |
| 05:01.46 | bob2 | p-man: /msg dpkg 2.4bug |
| 05:01.55 | davidmccabe | johnk: I'm having a look at ecartis. haven't see listar in yet... |
| 05:02.02 | bob2 | mailman! |
| 05:02.03 | davidmccabe | johnk: (I'm searching with apt-cache) |
| 05:02.09 | davidmccabe | bob2: I tried mailman, couldn't get it to work at all. |
| 05:02.14 | johnk | davidmccabe: listar=ecartis in a former life. :) same thing. |
| 05:02.16 | maher | davidmccabe: i've used mailman - i liked it |
| 05:02.18 | dasunt | Spent about an hour screwing around with, doesn't want to work. |
| 05:02.30 | bob2 | davidmccabe: misconfigured then, I guess... |
| 05:02.40 | davidmccabe | johnk: ahh |
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| 05:02.46 | mwilson | p-man: So you got 3.3. What does that have to do with building kernels with 2.95, other than nothing? |
| 05:02.55 | davidmccabe | maher: yes I like it too except I can't for my life get it to work with exim :P |
| 05:02.56 | AnitaLove | I just restarted my computer and I whenever I try to startx, I get the following errors http://comp.sabra.ca/~users/anita/error.txt can anybody please help? |
| 05:02.58 | slaphappy | dasunt: Mailman is worth the effort to get it going... |
| 05:03.11 | maher | davidmccabe: you need some hideous exim black magic in the scripts |
| 05:03.20 | thomas_adam | mwilson: What was you talking about earlier? I didn't understand you. |
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| 05:03.24 | dasunt | slaphappy: Mailman? |
| 05:03.28 | tvn | AnitaLove: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , change from 32 to 16 or 24 and see if that works |
| 05:03.42 | p-man | mwilson: that's all i have instaleld. I guess I should downgrade |
| 05:03.44 | AnitaLove | I already have 24 in there! |
| 05:03.51 | davidmccabe | maher: oh. |
| 05:04.09 | Justin_ | AnitaLove: except that you told it to use 32 |
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| 05:04.27 | p-man | mwilson: I am using the CC=2.95 flag right now |
| 05:04.31 | mwilson | p-man: Unless you specifically removed 2.95, it's there. If it's not there, install it. |
| 05:04.38 | freyr_ | gack... I used to use the ne2kpci module. I am trying to install debian now but this module is not there. Which one should I use? Is it replaced. I think my card is a realtek clone. Linksys etherpci lan card II. Any ideas? |
| 05:04.55 | Ekdikeo | er.. why is my fetchmail sending a bounce message for virtually every message it receives? lol |
| 05:05.05 | p-man | bob2: thanks for the info |
| 05:05.16 | maher | davidmccabe: have you seen: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/002026.html |
| 05:05.20 | bob2 | freyr_: ne2k-pci |
| 05:05.34 | tvn | bob2: I use testing w/ gcc 3.3.2 and never had problems building 2.4 kernels |
| 05:05.36 | p-man | mwilson: is there anything wrong with 3.2 ? I have used that on 2.4.20 before |
| 05:05.41 | AnitaLove | I just restarted my computer and I whenever I try to startx, I get the following errors http://comp.sabra.ca/~users/anita/error.txt can anybody please help? Here's my config http://comp.sabra.ca/~users/anita/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:05.49 | davidmccabe | maher: taking a look |
| 05:05.50 | davidmccabe | gah |
| 05:05.53 | Ekdikeo | well if it tells all those spammers that my account doesn't exist, that's a good thing. lol |
| 05:05.54 | maher | davidmccabe: this is probably better: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.3 |
| 05:05.56 | davidmccabe | the ecartis package seems to be simply broken |
| 05:06.09 | mwilson | p-man: I didn't say there was anything wrong with anything. 2.95 is the recommended kernel compiler, that's all. |
| 05:06.22 | freyr_ | bob2: im having to use bf2.4 floppies. The module is not there.. Any suggestions? |
| 05:06.28 | davidmccabe | maher: I tried that. it only works with mailman 1.* |
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| 05:06.41 | davidmccabe | maher: oh wait. this is a different one. thanks! |
| 05:06.50 | p-man | mwilson: thanks |
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| 05:07.41 | bob2 | freyr_: it's builtin |
| 05:08.25 | p-man | ii gcc-2.95 2.95.4-19 The GNU C compiler |
| 05:08.30 | p-man | I do have it installed :) |
| 05:08.37 | p-man | silly me |
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| 05:09.18 | drega | with apt-get install pcmcia-source where is the source being put? |
| 05:09.28 | davidmccabe | drega: probably /usr/src/modules |
| 05:09.31 | davidmccabe | dross: that's jsut a guess |
| 05:09.31 | freyr_ | bob2: hmm... thanks... Doesnt seem to find it in dmesg... ifconfig eth0 dont bring it up. This is a boo :~( |
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| 05:10.04 | michael12345 | does debian supports vlans out of the box |
| 05:10.34 | thomas_adam | michael12345: only when you frighten it |
| 05:10.43 | bob2 | michael12345: what's there to support? |
| 05:10.51 | drega | i dont have a usr/src/modules |
| 05:10.54 | drega | and its not in /usr/src |
| 05:11.02 | thomas_adam | drega: make modules_install |
| 05:11.08 | thomas_adam | drega: you must have forgot that! |
| 05:11.18 | michael12345 | I want to do vlan trunking so the linux box is across multiple networks |
| 05:11.19 | thomas_adam | drega: oh.... |
| 05:11.25 | drega | eh i havent even found it yet:) |
| 05:11.30 | thomas_adam | drega: make modules ? |
| 05:11.35 | bob2 | drega: dpkg -L blahblahblahblahblah |
| 05:11.47 | thomas_adam | bob2: no such package :( |
| 05:11.48 | drega | i did apt-get install pcmcia-source i'm just looing for the source |
| 05:11.57 | thomas_adam | drega: 'pwd' |
| 05:12.02 | bob2 | drega: dpkg -L blahblahblahblahblah |
| 05:12.04 | bob2 | thomas_adam: no |
| 05:12.07 | thomas_adam | bob2: no such package :( |
| 05:12.09 | johnk | hrm, wajig - evil or good? |
| 05:12.17 | freyr_ | bob2: is there any way to get output of ne2k-pci trying to boot up? |
| 05:12.20 | thomas_adam | drega: sorry, mis-interpreted |
| 05:12.27 | freyr_ | bob2: i dont understand why its not detectging |
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| 05:12.44 | thomas_adam | drega: if you installed the package, it'll be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 05:12.47 | bob2 | freyr_: debian doesn't detect anything. rtfig, maybe it's on the driver disk |
| 05:12.48 | helix` | !gravity |
| 05:12.49 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover |
| 05:12.50 | bob2 | thomas_adam: no |
| 05:12.54 | thomas_adam | ok |
| 05:12.54 | gravity | !helix |
| 05:12.54 | dpkg | well, helix is see gnome1.2, or ask me about "removing helixcode", or una seductora, or http://www.double-helix.org/etc/effoff.JPG |
| 05:12.59 | thomas_adam | I'm not understanding this, obviously |
| 05:13.02 | Ra1stlin | good morning |
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| 05:13.14 | gravity | Oooh! Picture! |
| 05:13.18 | dung | debian eats civet cats |
| 05:13.21 | thomas_adam | 05:18 hrs |
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| 05:13.23 | gravity | helix`: I like that one |
| 05:13.30 | helix` | i'm evil |
| 05:13.32 | Ekdikeo | hmm. i got sylpheed to comprehend my local mail spool once, and now it won't do it anymore. :-S |
| 05:13.32 | gravity | helix`: True Overfiend style |
| 05:13.34 | helix` | but thanks |
| 05:13.35 | helix` | heh |
| 05:13.43 | helix` | gravity: hey, i took mine before him! |
| 05:13.50 | peterS | suuuuure |
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| 05:13.55 | gravity | helix`: When did you take yours? I'd be surprised |
| 05:14.09 | helix` | gravity: a few years ago |
| 05:14.13 | Ekdikeo | hmm. seems fetchmail is rejecting all my incoming mail, after the first 700 messages. grrr. |
| 05:14.17 | gravity | helix`: Besides, you can't beat this one: http://www.dourish.com/goodies/see-figure-1.html |
| 05:14.26 | gravity | helix`: That's way before you |
| 05:14.44 | helix` | ha |
| 05:14.47 | helix` | indeed it is |
| 05:14.49 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: how the fuck have you got your MTA setup? |
| 05:14.54 | helix` | ascii precedes even dinosaurs |
| 05:14.58 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 05:15.02 | thomas_adam | Ekdikeo: other than poorly :) |
| 05:15.15 | peterS | helix`: not true. the dinosaurs all used EBCDIC |
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| 05:16.21 | slaphappy | lmao.....ascii prOn..... |
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| 05:17.21 | gboutwel | How are/do deb-src differ from regular debs, especially in regards to depenancy resolution? |
| 05:17.44 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: they just install the src package (as and when requested) |
| 05:18.02 | bob2 | there is no dependency resoltuion |
| 05:18.15 | bob2 | it just downloads the .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz and .dsc |
| 05:18.16 | bob2 | into . |
| 05:18.19 | bob2 | and that's it |
| 05:18.24 | bob2 | they |
| 05:18.29 | bob2 | 're not even really packages |
| 05:18.33 | freyr_ | are there any modified boot floppies for the nforce2 net card? |
| 05:18.38 | gboutwel | So then I'de have to compile from source, does that just do an 'normal' install, or does that build an .deb that I then would install? |
| 05:18.38 | thomas_adam | s/\n// |
| 05:18.55 | bob2 | gboutwel: build's a .deb |
| 05:19.05 | bob2 | gboutwel: but why are you building anything at all? |
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| 05:19.39 | gboutwel | I'm not. Just trying to understand it and how it works, is all.. |
| 05:19.40 | smaugDead__ | how can I do package dependicy checks via irc ? |
| 05:19.50 | drega | oh hell ya i got my wireless card werkin.. |
| 05:19.53 | bob2 | smaug_: /msg dpkg depends blah |
| 05:20.05 | drega | however can someone tell me wtf is netenv and why it asks me crap when i boot? |
| 05:20.05 | gboutwel | Is there i686 or better debs? |
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| 05:20.19 | smaug_ | bob2: thanks... |
| 05:20.19 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: for some archs, yes |
| 05:20.32 | bob2 | drega: you installed it. |
| 05:20.33 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: but that would be rare |
| 05:20.36 | bob2 | gboutwel: no. |
| 05:20.38 | RainbowW | altho officially ide-scsi is no longer required for cd burning in 2.6.0, is it still the recommended method cuz stuff supports it? |
| 05:20.39 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: most are i386 |
| 05:20.42 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: if not all |
| 05:20.54 | bob2 | gboutwel: it's generally pointless, but some stuff is done specially if it might actually matter. |
| 05:21.02 | bob2 | RainbowW: you talk like a kentuckian! |
| 05:21.14 | deadcat | didnt see steve jobs' ass there at the mac world. )= |
| 05:21.22 | bob2 | RainbowW: cdrecord supports not using ide-scsi, cdrdao does not. if you want to use cdrdao at all, you'll need to use ide-scsi still |
| 05:21.24 | RainbowW | bob2: how dare you say i speak like mej. :) |
| 05:21.25 | thomas_adam | bob2: he's probably called 'cletus' |
| 05:21.35 | gboutwel | So if I wanted everything on my machine to be i686, I'd d/l source using deb-src, and build it for an i686, get an i686.deb and install it? |
| 05:21.45 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: no |
| 05:21.48 | Penix | the slack jawed yokel |
| 05:21.54 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: you'd use gentoo instead |
| 05:22.05 | thomas_adam | Penix: ;) |
| 05:22.05 | bob2 | gboutwel: no, /j #gentoo |
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| 05:22.23 | gboutwel | bob2> Gentoo isn't working out for me... |
| 05:22.32 | thomas_adam | Penix: some folk will eat a skunk, but then again some folk;ll. Cletus, the slack jawed yokel. |
| 05:22.37 | Penix | hehe |
| 05:22.38 | bob2 | gboutwel: you can do it under Debian, but it's an enormous waste of time |
| 05:22.54 | gravity | gboutwel: Why do you want 686 stuff anyway? |
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| 05:23.01 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: try the LFS project ;) |
| 05:23.04 | freyr_ | this nforce 2 chipset is ass. Can someone recommend a good 400mhz fsb chipset/mobo that is well supported by linux, and boot floppies for that matter? I need it for my new AMD athlon XP 2600+ . ? |
| 05:23.06 | Penix | "Hey. What's on the this here other side". whatever he says |
| 05:23.07 | gboutwel | Speed mostly... |
| 05:23.14 | gravity | gboutwel: Benchmarks say nay |
| 05:23.16 | thomas_adam | gboutwel: sigh.... |
| 05:23.21 | bob2 | freyr_: anything else is properly supported. |
| 05:23.36 | Penix | freyr_: kt400 |
| 05:23.36 | gravity | gboutwel: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 |
| 05:23.37 | freyr_ | bob2: im an idiot |
| 05:23.48 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:23.51 | bob2 | I love that url |
| 05:24.05 | bob2 | RainbowW: I blame evolution, personally. |
| 05:24.14 | gravity | bob2: The url itself, or the content? |
| 05:24.23 | Vinland | I need to add an unstable server to my apt sources list, I can't remember exactly how I did this the first time around. Can anyone help me out or reccomend a good server? |
| 05:24.29 | thomas_adam | Penix: hehe |
| 05:24.43 | RainbowW | bob2: i just want to burn an iso on an atapi drive :( |
| 05:24.44 | bob2 | Vinland: all servers have it |
| 05:24.54 | bob2 | RainbowW: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 05:24.55 | thomas_adam | Vinland: any server has one |
| 05:24.56 | davidmccabe | How do I see all the files that a package installed? |
| 05:25.00 | gboutwel | bbs |
| 05:25.02 | bob2 | davidmccabe: dpkg -L blah |
| 05:25.04 | thomas_adam | davidmccabe: dpkg -L |
| 05:25.07 | davidmccabe | thanks |
| 05:25.10 | bob2 | Vinland: /msg dpkg stable->unstable |
| 05:25.14 | Penix | ffs I hate the way movie companies rename shit here. like "The Rundown" == "Welcome to the Jungle" |
| 05:25.32 | Penix | or "Joyride" = "Roadkill" |
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| 05:25.53 | gravity | Penix: hollywood liked that for sure |
| 05:26.00 | gravity | It loves that sort of shit |
| 05:26.01 | Penix | yeah. they're sick bastards |
| 05:26.17 | Penix | look at gigli |
| 05:26.25 | JimButton | Penix: no, i won't |
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| 05:26.29 | Penix | heh |
| 05:26.31 | gravity | Nor I |
| 05:26.37 | JimButton | Penix: please stop torturing the channel inhabitants... |
| 05:26.51 | p-man | me neither |
| 05:27.01 | Penix | could be replaced with anything though. cheaper by the dozen, cat in the hat etc. |
| 05:27.16 | JimButton | Penix: there are good hollywood productions sometimes :) |
| 05:27.19 | Penix | all extremely large piles of shit |
| 05:27.25 | hacim | how do I get video/quicktime plugin to work? |
| 05:27.26 | Penix | JimButton: they have those now?! |
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| 05:27.33 | Vinland | so if I have 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main' in my list I can simply just change the stable to unstable and it should look in there for the packages I need? |
| 05:27.39 | thomas_adam | hacim: with what? |
| 05:27.42 | The_Vulture | that's the idea.. |
| 05:27.47 | thomas_adam | Vinland: aye |
| 05:27.48 | The_Vulture | but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be doing that |
| 05:27.58 | JimButton | Penix: wasn't magnolia and american beauty produced in hollywood? |
| 05:28.11 | thomas_adam | JimButton: I think so. |
| 05:28.12 | JimButton | or what about lord of the rings? :) |
| 05:28.13 | Penix | I didn't care for either of those |
| 05:28.16 | Penix | magnolia was a pos |
| 05:28.20 | Penix | american beauty was ok |
| 05:28.22 | gravity | I loved Magnolia |
| 05:28.26 | JimButton | magnolia was great, i think |
| 05:28.26 | hacim | thomas_adam: with mozilla or galeon |
| 05:28.31 | thomas_adam | gravity: yes, a very good film |
| 05:28.32 | p-man | or planet of the apes |
| 05:28.35 | thomas_adam | hacim: choose one |
| 05:28.40 | somiaj | american beauty was a polital correct version of happiness... |
| 05:28.40 | JimButton | casablanca! |
| 05:28.55 | gravity | Happiness fucked me the fuck up |
| 05:28.59 | gravity | Which was cool |
| 05:29.00 | p-man | James Bond |
| 05:29.04 | JimButton | happiness is really sick, yes :) |
| 05:29.12 | p-man | oh wait that was partly british ? |
| 05:29.14 | hacim | when I boot I jsut get "GRUB" no grub menu |
| 05:29.17 | Penix | thomas_adam: quiet you |
| 05:29.24 | thomas_adam | ;) |
| 05:29.26 | somiaj | yes, but happinesss gets the point across far better than american beauty...(: |
| 05:29.40 | gravity | Fight Club is still a work of genius |
| 05:29.41 | thomas_adam | somiaj: they both have different points to make. |
| 05:29.42 | p-man | where is that movie from ? |
| 05:29.48 | thomas_adam | gravity: indeed. |
| 05:29.49 | p-man | happiness |
| 05:29.50 | gravity | As is anything done by the Cohen Bros. |
| 05:30.00 | thomas_adam | Penix: Quiet you. |
| 05:30.01 | hacim | thomas_adam: mozilla! |
| 05:30.03 | Penix | you're all sick |
| 05:30.07 | johnk | there is no fight club |
| 05:30.11 | The_Vulture | I'm sick _and_ twisted :) |
| 05:30.12 | debian | Penix: Rule 1: don't vomit on fight club |
| 05:30.13 | p-man | oh I forgot The Matrix |
| 05:30.22 | Penix | oh ffs |
| 05:30.25 | Penix | don't start on the matrix |
| 05:30.30 | thomas_adam | Penix: hehehe |
| 05:30.31 | p-man | hehe |
| 05:30.34 | Penix | I'll never stop vomitting |
| 05:30.35 | p-man | sorry |
| 05:30.39 | gravity | I still have yet to see the last one, but I can wait |
| 05:30.48 | Penix | one is enough for me |
| 05:30.51 | thomas_adam | gravity: the last one was a disappointment |
| 05:30.51 | johnk | matrix regurgitated wasn't that bad. For a fan film. |
| 05:31.00 | debian | How 'bout RoK? |
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| 05:31.03 | dondelelcaro | oh dear freaking god. End of the fucking world spam. |
| 05:31.05 | p-man | last one was ok |
| 05:31.12 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 05:31.24 | somiaj | Momento was a good flick as well. |
| 05:31.35 | Penix | dondelelcaro: spam telling you your penis size is ok and you shouldn't pay a cent? |
| 05:31.41 | gravity | thomas_adam: So I hear |
| 05:31.45 | debian | p-man: my gf was like 'This the end? Oh thank God!' |
| 05:31.52 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: a choice quote "Signs from God. The Messiah comes. We have the end of the World" |
| 05:31.55 | p-man | debian: hehe |
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| 05:32.00 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 05:32.00 | johnk | am working on install pdns, and it seems to want libgdbm-dev - but I don't see it in stable and apt doesn't know about it. |
| 05:32.14 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: the sad thing is, there are people out there that would believe it! |
| 05:32.15 | p-man | debian: then she doesn't know about Matrix 4 |
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| 05:32.39 | p-man | The Usual Suspects, that was a good movie |
| 05:32.42 | debian | p-man: good idea, I'll bring her along |
| 05:32.54 | thomas_adam | p-man: Kaiser Solcez |
| 05:32.58 | p-man | oh yeah |
| 05:33.00 | debian | p-man: *jog down* any more? How about 28 days later? |
| 05:33.02 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: the thing invokes godwin's law about 20 times. |
| 05:33.07 | dasunt | This weekend, the midnight showing will be 'Office Space' |
| 05:33.16 | p-man | 28 days later was a sick movie |
| 05:33.22 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I'm surprised that you're even reading it :) |
| 05:33.25 | p-man | office space is awesome |
| 05:33.30 | IceZone | if i paste a command line would someone verify it for me? i tried it last night and crashed my linux |
| 05:33.34 | debian | p-man: yeah I know it's a movie about sickness. :) |
| 05:33.36 | thomas_adam | Seven was a classic, too. |
| 05:33.37 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: "Germany has got the Worldpower to bring the entire Mankind into Hell if the Brandenburger Nazigate in Berlin is not pulled down immediately..." |
| 05:33.47 | thomas_adam | rofl |
| 05:33.48 | Ekdikeo | w00t i figured it all out now that i've erased the last three weeks of email inadvertently. lol |
| 05:33.53 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: it's hillarious... |
| 05:34.03 | overcode_ | when I telnet to port 25 on my box, it takes a good 30 seconds for postfix's banner to come back. Any idea why? |
| 05:34.13 | thomas_adam | delusions of grandeur, I fear |
| 05:34.13 | bob2 | overcode_: broken reverse dns? |
| 05:34.20 | thomas_adam | s/del/dil/ |
| 05:34.22 | overcode_ | from localhost? |
| 05:34.24 | overcode_ | I'll check |
| 05:34.26 | debian | Never have seen Office Space |
| 05:34.35 | dasunt | I haven't either. Should be good. |
| 05:34.38 | IceZone | "apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 kernel-headers-2.4-18-1-686" |
| 05:34.50 | dasunt | Another non-free proposal. |
| 05:34.54 | p-man | debian: if you have ever worked in Corporate America then you should definitley see it |
| 05:35.00 | dasunt | IceZone: Looks good to me. |
| 05:35.14 | p-man | don't know why I capitalized those words |
| 05:35.17 | dasunt | On the mailing list. Someone wants to remove non-free. |
| 05:35.32 | debian | p-man: that's why we don't have it here.(non-us) |
| 05:35.34 | bob2 | debian: again |
| 05:35.45 | IceZone | dasunt: will you be here for a couple i know it will ask something and i want to verify ansers |
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| 05:35.50 | karsten | Can apt-proxy cache deb-src lines, and if so, what's the back-end syntax? |
| 05:35.51 | gnd | I did a apt-get dist-upgrade today and k3b got upgraded to 0.10.3. But now it doesn't recognize wav files anymore, I can't burn audio cds. anyone else got that error? the error is: "Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format" |
| 05:35.55 | debian | bob2: and again |
| 05:36.07 | wasabi2 | What's the proper way to finish off a failed debootstrap? |
| 05:36.07 | bob2 | gnd: sid? |
| 05:36.10 | dasunt | IceZone: I'm actually pretty buzy atm. :( |
| 05:36.13 | wasabi2 | I still have the "fake" start-stop-daemon. |
| 05:36.14 | thomas_adam | karsten: ;) |
| 05:36.14 | gnd | unstable |
| 05:36.20 | debian | dasunt: those ideolists strike again? :) |
| 05:36.45 | thomas_adam | karsten: check the format in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:36.46 | karsten | thomas_adam: ? |
| 05:37.04 | thomas_adam | karsten: but I do not understand your question |
| 05:37.07 | karsten | thomas_adam: Um. Yeah. And? |
| 05:37.14 | debian | dasunt: they ultimately want to make comericalization of Linux illegal. :) |
| 05:37.24 | gravity | gnd: Check the bts |
| 05:37.47 | gnd | bts? |
| 05:37.58 | karsten | thomas_adam: You're familiar with apt-proxy? |
| 05:38.02 | thomas_adam | karsten: yes |
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| 05:38.06 | debian | Call for Poll: what is the best cell phone? Mine *just* broken |
| 05:38.07 | dasunt | debian: You haven't seen the BSD folks. OpenBSD has a strong move to push the GPL-licensed programs out of the main distro. |
| 05:38.11 | mush | gnd: bugs.debian.org |
| 05:38.11 | gravity | !tell gnd about bts |
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| 05:38.31 | karsten | thomas_adam: The backend syntax isn't identical to apt-sources.list |
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| 05:38.48 | gboutwel | Since Gentoo isn't working out for me. I was seriously considering going to an Debian SID, with an 'hand compiled' kernel, and if necesary (but not necessarily) compiling the others from srouce. I've got an AMD 400 as an processor (part of the reason Gentoo isn't working out for me.) Tired of waiting on all the compiles, among others. |
| 05:38.54 | thomas_adam | gravity: <-- must be that pulling you down again |
| 05:38.55 | hacim | does anyone know why when I installed grub, it just boots now to "GRUB" and no menu/ |
| 05:38.58 | hacim | ? |
| 05:39.01 | gravity | thomas_adam: ;-) |
| 05:39.13 | overcode_ | bob2: restarting postfix solved the problem. I think it was in fact reverse DNS, due to upgrading libc a few days ago. I seem to recall a note about that maybe breaking DNS lookups. |
| 05:39.15 | thomas_adam | gravity: either that, or you are 'top heavy' ') |
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| 05:39.25 | Cobain | about 10 mins ago everything was going fine.. then xmule started giving me i/o errors.. i umounted my new hd and then tried to mount it again and i get "mount: /dev/hdc1: can't read superblock |
| 05:39.25 | Cobain | " |
| 05:39.29 | Cobain | any idea why? |
| 05:39.32 | karsten | thomas_adam: Failed to fetch http://aptproxy:9999/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 05:39.33 | gravity | thomas_adam: Yeah. That frustration tends to weigh heavily on the mind ;-) |
| 05:39.33 | debian | dasunt: they've prejustice against GPL. I don't see how BSD license is any good to the community |
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| 05:39.42 | thomas_adam | gravity: heh |
| 05:39.45 | somiaj | gboutwel: my suggestion is to stick with debian woody to start with until you get familar with out debian manges things as when running sid you can fix the things that break from time to time. |
| 05:39.57 | debian | Cobain: fsck it |
| 05:39.57 | somiaj | s/out/how/ |
| 05:40.05 | dasunt | debian: Lets incite a BSL vs GPL debate. ;) |
| 05:40.07 | debian | Cobian: I guess it's a jfs? |
| 05:40.12 | overcode_ | argh! I spoke too soon. |
| 05:40.16 | themp | woody is the most secure at this point for server imho |
| 05:40.21 | debian | dasunt: I've been waiting for any flame war. :) |
| 05:40.27 | Cobain | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdc1 |
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| 05:40.45 | dondelelcaro | themp: it's the only thing that's secure. No other flavor gets security updates. |
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| 05:41.06 | themp | ah well you can secure the others your self |
| 05:41.16 | debian | Cobain: just in case: that's a ext3 partition? |
| 05:41.17 | themp | or make them securerer |
| 05:41.21 | Cobain | yes |
| 05:41.22 | themp | since nothing is secure |
| 05:41.25 | gboutwel | Not a server, a desktop. I've been running woody (with some compiled from source additions, like Apache 2) as an server for some time. Gentoo is for a desktop system. |
| 05:41.40 | themp | wody wld not be my choice for a desktop |
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| 05:41.44 | themp | er would |
| 05:41.56 | themp | nwn and debian is cool |
| 05:41.56 | debian | Cobain: I'm not sure about ext3(never will I use it), but is there any rescue program that you can use on it? |
| 05:42.00 | dasunt | Woody works fine as a desktop |
| 05:42.02 | debian | themp: thanks |
| 05:42.14 | debian | dasunt: for desktop, sid is better. :) |
| 05:42.24 | dasunt | sid breaks too much. |
| 05:42.29 | Cobain | debian: i have no idea |
| 05:42.29 | themp | change your ext3 bak to ext3 |
| 05:42.31 | themp | er |
| 05:42.32 | themp | change your ext3 bak to ext2 |
| 05:42.33 | dasunt | testing isn't bad for the desktop, depending on what you want to do. |
| 05:42.35 | karsten | thomas_adam: Bad source line in /etc/apt/sources.list. Proxy was fine. |
| 05:42.41 | themp | tunefs |
| 05:42.41 | thomas_adam | karsten: ah |
| 05:42.48 | themp | then look at it |
| 05:42.52 | gboutwel | SID can't be any worse than Gentoo. |
| 05:43.03 | debian | ~tell Cobain about ext3->ext2 |
| 05:43.09 | caphuso | Cobain: that's a hardware problem. get a new disk |
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| 05:43.31 | Cobain | omg are you serious? its a brand new drive |
| 05:43.36 | Cobain | not even two weeks old |
| 05:43.37 | debian | Cobain: what brand? |
| 05:43.42 | Cobain | wd |
| 05:43.47 | Cobain | but i bought it OEM |
| 05:43.47 | gravity | gboutwel: Sid users are expected to be able to fend for themselves. In gentoo you'll get help for broken things. In debian, if you're using sid, you're basically on your own |
| 05:43.52 | Cobain | =( |
| 05:43.52 | debian | Cobain: if it's ibm or seagate, I could understand, but wd? |
| 05:44.17 | Cobain | ive never had a prob with my other WD drives |
| 05:44.17 | debian | Cobain: what kernel? |
| 05:44.20 | themp | SID is way better than gentoo. gentoo is poorly managed at the but it does work as a bleeding edge test system. i rewrote sa emege system for my gento boxes in shell that uses their portage tree in shell like it should have been in the beginning |
| 05:44.25 | Cobain | 2.6.0 |
| 05:44.34 | Javi87 | how works the usb burners in linux? |
| 05:44.35 | bztunk | gravity: if you don't know what you are talking about, yes you are on your own |
| 05:44.35 | caphuso | my last WD drive started to show the first errors after slighly over 6 months |
| 05:44.41 | themp | the only advantage i see to gentoo is its meta beuild system but QA is a nightmare to day the least |
| 05:44.42 | Cobain | lovely |
| 05:44.48 | debian | Cobain: don't complain when you fsck your system up with bleeding edge kernel. :) |
| 05:44.49 | Bangz-work | splashimage=(nd)/dunes.xpm.gz |
| 05:44.49 | Cobain | cfdisk says it cant read from the drive |
| 05:44.52 | gravity | bztunk: That's basically what I mean. |
| 05:44.54 | bztunk | gravity: but if you know what you are talking about, you would know where to get help |
| 05:44.55 | Bangz-work | whats wrong with that? pxegrub isnt loading the image |
| 05:44.59 | Bangz-work | everything else is working fine though |
| 05:45.00 | gravity | bztunk: Exactly :-) |
| 05:45.07 | themp | Cobain remember whn we used to paerty before you died ? |
| 05:45.10 | bztunk | gravity: well, you need to know what you are talking about.. |
| 05:45.20 | somiaj | gboutwel: When starting something new it usually isn't wise not to add to many complications, so if new to debian the suggestion is at least get familar with package managment, kernel complication and such on a woody system. |
| 05:45.21 | Cobain | themp, cant say i do |
| 05:45.27 | Cobain | but ill party with you again if you fix my hd |
| 05:45.29 | themp | :) |
| 05:45.33 | Cobain | the bud is on me |
| 05:45.53 | debian | Cobain: wait a minute? have I seen you in other channel? |
| 05:46.03 | Cobain | what other channel? |
| 05:46.04 | caphuso | i'd really love to be able to buy a reliable hard disk |
| 05:46.15 | caphuso | but there's no such thing :-( |
| 05:46.16 | themp | ill tell all of us this. comone we are testing trying or running debian. debian is much better than redhat so far as for me. and they sprc port is very stable. |
| 05:46.28 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: solid state? ;-) |
| 05:46.33 | themp | caphuso get a huge sandisk |
| 05:46.45 | caphuso | that might solve the "reliable" part... |
| 05:46.47 | debian | Cobain: like n/m, I thought you were a gentoo developer |
| 05:46.54 | Cobain | nope |
| 05:46.55 | themp | caphuso ide isnt the best i use scsi on eerything but my laptop |
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| 05:47.05 | gboutwel | thanks. I'm calling it a night. I'm actually playing devil's advocate for a friend who is getting fead-up with Gentoo. I run a Debian woody system as a server, and an SID with UML on an 'test system'. I think he's a little too tired of the bleeding edge. |
| 05:47.13 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: slight problem with power|battery, etc... but definetly has a better RW lifetime... |
| 05:47.15 | davidmccabe | smartlist is so much easier than mailman |
| 05:47.39 | themp | gentoo f'd me pretty good i still use it for fun but there is no qa |
| 05:47.54 | themp | emerge -up world does guarantee your system will function |
| 05:47.57 | themp | its a nice idea |
| 05:48.02 | debian | themp: you guys using gentoo are qa :) |
| 05:48.09 | themp | but meta build system have been created before |
| 05:48.13 | JimButton | themp: you mean they don't fix bugs or what? |
| 05:48.16 | themp | debian correct |
| 05:48.26 | dondelelcaro | davidmccabe: what's easier than apt-get install mailman; newlist -o /etc/mail/aliases listname listadminaddr? |
| 05:48.35 | themp | they care abotu updrades rather than stability is all |
| 05:48.36 | exobyte | When my system boots, I right after lilo pops up, I get an error about a virus. I think it is bios based since the only other place it could be in is lilo. Does anyone know if linux/lilo might be doing something that sets off a virus alert? |
| 05:48.41 | davidmccabe | dondelelcaro: oh except that doesn't work :P |
| 05:48.42 | debian | what's the most promising GPL grid project? |
| 05:48.51 | davidmccabe | dondelelcaro: not with exim |
| 05:48.51 | wiz | exit |
| 05:48.56 | themp | i flamed gentoo pretty well but its okay they are trying |
| 05:49.02 | dondelelcaro | davidmccabe: uh, then /etc/aliases or whatever the hell exim uses. |
| 05:49.14 | themp | debian has been around almost as long as slackware its a better managed distribution |
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| 05:49.21 | gboutwel | I think he's ready for an more stable, but significantly more bleeding edge than woody can provide. I suspect that SID will be enough and he's fairly capable. If he gets himself in trouble, he'll fall back to me (like he is now). I'll be able to help him, or I'll turn to the community, isn't that one of the best things about linux, the community. :) |
| 05:49.26 | davidmccabe | dondelelcaro: in any case, I couldn't get it to work (and I tried hard), whereas smartlist worked very easily. |
| 05:49.48 | gravity | gboutwel: Just point him to the right docs to learn the debian-specific stuff and he'll be fine |
| 05:49.49 | gboutwel | Anyways, I might not get him to use SID. He might stick it out with Gentoo. We'll see. |
| 05:49.51 | michael12345 | Does anyone know of a good man page on getting linux working with VLANs VTP |
| 05:49.59 | dondelelcaro | davidmccabe: *shrug*. it works in general straight out of the box. No clue what's munged with your configuration. |
| 05:50.06 | caphuso | smartlist is also easily hackable due to being just a fancy procmailrc |
| 05:50.10 | gravity | gboutwel: That's what trips up everyone coming from other dists, that we do things differently |
| 05:50.22 | debian | themp: I think slackware is longer |
| 05:50.25 | themp | ah you cant use partlistout fo the box |
| 05:50.36 | dondelelcaro | debian: by 2 months. |
| 05:50.48 | themp | slackware is fine it just doesnt run on the port i want it to |
| 05:50.50 | debian | dondelelcaro: yeah my memory serve. :) |
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| 05:51.05 | dondelelcaro | debian: and that's just counting from the first release. No clue when the actual work started... |
| 05:51.08 | JimButton | slackware was my first distribution... |
| 05:51.17 | Vinland | god damnit I'm going to shit my pants |
| 05:51.24 | themp | i have ben impressed with debian and also its support . plus debian has some great books out. gentoo has none |
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| 05:51.29 | gravity | Vinland: Be sure you clean up afterwards |
| 05:51.33 | Vinland | why can I not get pure-ftpd to install with apt-get |
| 05:51.34 | themp | their developers say it changes to fast to document |
| 05:51.35 | themp | heh |
| 05:51.40 | themp | erps |
| 05:51.41 | themp | phone |
| 05:51.42 | JimButton | themp: well, gentoo is much younger |
| 05:51.50 | JimButton | themp: give them some time, and wait and see |
| 05:52.10 | dondelelcaro | gravity: read the reference manual. |
| 05:52.16 | droopy | ONLINE |
| 05:52.18 | dondelelcaro | !reference |
| 05:52.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of you questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 05:52.35 | themp | JimButton by the time they get it together another disribution will offer what they do and stability |
| 05:52.41 | debian | gravity: O'Reilly publishs Debian books, the best book for Debian around but still not so good |
| 05:52.43 | JimButton | well, i started using linux in 1993, i think, maybe 94 |
| 05:53.01 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I thought he meant printed books |
| 05:53.05 | helix` | gravity: you'd think with such a slow release cycle there would be one that's still considered moderately current |
| 05:53.09 | JimButton | but it must have been after slackware came around |
| 05:53.09 | debian | ^best book^best paper books^ |
| 05:53.10 | themp | been since before 1.0 |
| 05:53.12 | gboutwel | For those that are compiling their own kernel... Are you using the 'debian' way (ie kpkg) or are you simply doing it the same way most anyone else running any other distro typically does it (ie just compile and install it, no packaging) |
| 05:53.13 | gravity | debian: When did O'Reilly print a Debian book? |
| 05:53.22 | JimButton | i remember downloading 30-40 floppies full of slackware packages... |
| 05:53.23 | gravity | helix`: I know, that's confused me for ages |
| 05:53.24 | dondelelcaro | gravity: they're all out of date. |
| 05:53.34 | bob2 | gboutwel: debian way, it's easier |
| 05:53.36 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 05:53.36 | somiaj | gboutwel: the debian way, as its easier to manage multiple kernels that way. |
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| 05:53.51 | gravity | gboutwel: I did it both ways on Debian, the Debian way really is easier |
| 05:53.59 | gravity | Although it took me years to break down and try it |
| 05:54.21 | themp | yeah debian is after slackware ther was another verion i bleieve redhat might have been around before debian but id use mandrake over redhat. just for the fact that redhat has turned into a MS clone and i aintgoing to pay to get cerified in redhat just to work with linux |
| 05:54.29 | debian | gravity: just took me 3 sec in amazon.com |
| 05:54.35 | debian | gravity: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005R099/qid=1073454848/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/102-2612443-6352147?v=glance&s=books |
| 05:54.44 | gboutwel | Interesting. Most the folks I talk to on UML that use debian don't do it the debian way. :) I've not used 'multiple' kernels, except in a UML sense. I'm not sure I find either way easier. |
| 05:54.59 | gravity | debian: Oh yeah, forgot about that one. That one is really old. |
| 05:55.01 | themp | application wise i like woody for a server id like to see somthing like bsd ports in debian but this will happen soon |
| 05:55.07 | tub | I'm trying to get firewall working with my 2.6.0-1 which i downloaded from people.debian.org/~herbert. firewall-easy says that no packet filter support in kernel. may it be because it is(?) as a module? |
| 05:55.09 | Vinland | alright can someone do an apt-cache pure-ftpd or apt-cache ftp |grep pure and see if they get anything |
| 05:55.22 | themp | i cant use uml i ue linux on sparc and agi |
| 05:55.24 | themp | er sgi |
| 05:55.26 | bob2 | themp: why? |
| 05:55.32 | themp | x86 arch sucks |
| 05:55.39 | bob2 | tub: yes, it's a module as it has always been. |
| 05:55.45 | themp | UML hasnt been ported and i dont know sparc asm |
| 05:55.46 | bob2 | Vinland: blahblahblah, it's not in woody. |
| 05:55.53 | tub | bob2: ok, how do i enable that |
| 05:56.00 | bob2 | Vinland: get it from www.apt-get.org for find a different ftp server |
| 05:56.00 | Vinland | what do you mean not in woody? |
| 05:56.01 | debian | gravity: newer ones aren't getting any better |
| 05:56.03 | droopy | themp there is a freebsd that you can compile apt-tools on |
| 05:56.04 | bob2 | they don't differ THAT much |
| 05:56.10 | bob2 | they're all insecure and pointless |
| 05:56.13 | bob2 | Vinland: NOT IN WOODY |
| 05:56.17 | debian | gravity: I'd only recomend those who insists on getting a paper books |
| 05:56.21 | bob2 | Vinland: it isn't in Debian Woody |
| 05:56.27 | debian | ^recommend^recommend to^ |
| 05:56.29 | themp | droppy and you can edit iso'son freebsd right now i am makeing a rescue distro for the sparc |
| 05:56.34 | Vinland | so if I have debian woody I cannot use pure ftpd |
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| 05:56.43 | dings_ | is there any way to log in to an X session (xdm) remotly |
| 05:56.48 | themp | debian you dont like paper books ? |
| 05:56.59 | themp | dings_ yes |
| 05:57.00 | debian | themp: they're pretty outdated |
| 05:57.00 | Vinland | bob2 |
| 05:57.02 | bob2 | Vinland: stop talking and start reading. |
| 05:57.06 | Skaag | Vinland, you can compile it yourself |
| 05:57.06 | gboutwel | Thanks.. Appreciate it. Have fun. Night. |
| 05:57.13 | bob2 | Vinland: a) it really doesn't matter which ftp server you use |
| 05:57.18 | bob2 | Vinland: b) www.apt-get.org |
| 05:57.22 | bob2 | Vinland: c) build it from source |
| 05:57.28 | dings_ | themp: care to share? :) |
| 05:57.35 | themp | debian for mot you just need the concept let me have you use irix with out a book somtimes referance is nessesarry and most the basic concept stay the same |
| 05:57.39 | sloopy | dings_: vnc |
| 05:58.11 | dings_ | sloopy: sure about that? |
| 05:58.13 | themp | dings you can forwar the entire X erver over ssh |
| 05:58.23 | sloopy | dings_: i have my router setup with it... |
| 05:58.30 | dings_ | sloopy: current display |
| 05:58.40 | IceZone | which file would a persone edit to remove an apt-get link? |
| 05:58.40 | dings_ | not another session |
| 05:58.54 | debian | themp: I've yet to find anything in these books missing in web. :) |
| 05:59.04 | sloopy | dings_: nope... you open it and it comes up with the xdm login |
| 05:59.23 | tub | sorry to repeat but how do I enable packet filter support in kernel |
| 05:59.28 | dings_ | themp: I still want it to display on it's connected screen |
| 05:59.50 | somiaj | debian: though books are nicer to read than the web in most cases. |
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| 06:00.17 | dings_ | sloopy: It has to be the current display, like rfb vnc does, but I want to log in aswel |
| 06:00.19 | somiaj | tub: depends on the kernel you have, what kernel are you using? |
| 06:00.28 | tub | somiaj: 2.6.0-1 |
| 06:00.28 | themp | debian well i understand that i jut dont have acces to the web everywhere and somtimes book are a little easier to andle for us older folk. the web offers lot but if you have one box and its borked then a book is nice |
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| 06:00.35 | droopy | what fs does WINdoz put on flash disks... |
| 06:00.42 | bob2 | tub: load the modules with modprobe. or get a non-crap firewall frontend that does it for you. |
| 06:00.46 | bob2 | droopy: guess. |
| 06:00.51 | somiaj | tub: you compile it or get it from debian? |
| 06:00.52 | bob2 | droopy: knowing that ntfs wouldn't work. |
| 06:00.57 | themp | debian read unix back up and recovery and tel that ll thats on the web . i am sure it is but it would take along time to find all the informations |
| 06:00.59 | droopy | bob2 plain fat?? |
| 06:01.08 | bob2 | droopy: yes! |
| 06:01.41 | droopy | :)~ |
| 06:01.44 | tub | bob2: which is the name of packet filter module |
| 06:02.00 | bob2 | tub: there are dozens. |
| 06:02.05 | tub | one is enough |
| 06:02.09 | bob2 | no it's not. |
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| 06:02.11 | bob2 | ipt_filter |
| 06:02.18 | themp | dings_ not sure exactly what your doing but "foo% ssh -R6010:localhost:6000 bar" |
| 06:02.34 | exobyte | why doesn't ls -R foo display all foo in . and .'s subdirs? |
| 06:02.41 | themp | dings_ setenv DISPLAY bar:10 |
| 06:03.05 | themp | that just portforwadring the session |
| 06:03.11 | tub | bob2: modprobe says that no ipt_filter found |
| 06:03.20 | themp | hve to run |
| 06:03.30 | tub | so is it because herbert makes bad images |
| 06:03.33 | bob2 | exobyte: because that's not what ls does. |
| 06:03.37 | bob2 | tub: duh, no. |
| 06:03.41 | bob2 | tub: this is your fault here. |
| 06:03.45 | bob2 | tub: use modconf |
| 06:03.53 | gravity | I would be shocked if herbert made bad images |
| 06:03.54 | bob2 | exobyte: use: find -name foo |
| 06:03.58 | gravity | The man is incredibly competent |
| 06:04.12 | exobyte | bob2: I was thinking of find |
| 06:04.18 | exobyte | bob2: as well |
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| 06:05.01 | exobyte | bob2: will fine . -name foo also work? |
| 06:05.37 | tub | bob2: modconf finds no modules at all, even there are plenty of them in /lib/modules/2.6.0-1/kernel/ |
| 06:05.38 | bob2 | exobyte: yes, but the . is implied with GNU find |
| 06:05.46 | bob2 | tub: oh, modconf doesn't work on 2.6, right. |
| 06:05.58 | exobyte | bob2: cool. and /me made a typo with fine |
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| 06:06.03 | bob2 | tub: well, you need to start looking for the iptables modules you need then, and load them with modprobe |
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| 06:06.33 | tub | bob2: ok, now i think that I can manage by myself, thanks for help. |
| 06:06.34 | JimButton | with the old find, you actually also had to give -print |
| 06:06.35 | mitchix_ | on the modconf and 2.6 i presume they are working to fix that? |
| 06:06.43 | bob2 | tub: it's ipt* |
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| 06:07.03 | tub | bob2: i have to modprobe every ipt* module? |
| 06:07.11 | mwilson | mitchix_: We can only hope not. |
| 06:07.30 | bob2 | tub: whichever ones you need. |
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| 06:07.37 | bob2 | tub: you have module-init-tools installed, right? |
| 06:07.46 | tub | yes |
| 06:07.53 | mitchix_ | mwilson: hmmm ok might i was why you would not want it? |
| 06:07.56 | tub | needed for installing 2.6-0-1.deb |
| 06:08.12 | mwilson | mitchix_: Uh, because I'm not incompetent? |
| 06:08.48 | JimButton | mitchix_: what do you want fixed? |
| 06:08.53 | mitchix_ | mwilson: you might not be... but i don't always remember the module names and it's a nice way to find them.... |
| 06:09.02 | mwilson | JimButton: He's whinging about modconf. |
| 06:09.15 | mitchix_ | JimButton: i asked if they were working to fix mo.... ya what mwilson said.... lol |
| 06:09.21 | mwilson | mitchix_: Yes, you spend SO much time swapping boot-time modules in and out, after all. |
| 06:09.40 | JimButton | i thought they wanted to disable module unloading completely |
| 06:09.44 | droopy | How come I can't get Apache and dictd to work ith 2.6 what modules are needed?? |
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| 06:09.50 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.01 | JimButton | which seemed odd to me, but well, probably they know better what they are doing |
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| 06:10.17 | mwilson | JimButton: I believe that's been re-though. |
| 06:10.20 | debian | mwilson: what's the better kernel management in this case? |
| 06:10.21 | bob2 | droopy: that has nothing to do with your kernel. |
| 06:10.22 | mwilson | re-thought |
| 06:10.31 | bob2 | droopy: assuming you haven't brokeb your existing setup |
| 06:10.32 | JimButton | oh, good |
| 06:10.45 | mwilson | debian: If you want to load it at boot time, and not have it auto-unload, whyinhell is it a module? |
| 06:10.54 | mitchix_ | mwilson: well it's nice when the system autodetects and loads your modules for you... but untill a time with that really works... |
| 06:11.12 | wiz | Is xfree86 broken in sid? I keep getting .not.loading.gnu.stack.... |
| 06:11.14 | wiz | ? |
| 06:11.24 | JimButton | mitchix_: it works reasonably well with help of hotplug and such |
| 06:11.26 | mwilson | mitchix_: Why in the world do I need auto-detection in order to manage my box? |
| 06:11.34 | mwilson | wiz: No. |
| 06:11.34 | debian | mwilson: you meant, compile them into kernel instead of modules is a better kernel management? |
| 06:11.35 | Ekdikeo | bbl thanks all :D |
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| 06:11.38 | neural | is there any way to get into another drive (via a .lnk) on a windows ftpd, using lftp? |
| 06:11.39 | JimButton | mwilson: well, hotplugging is nice |
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| 06:12.02 | wiz | mwilson: what's the note.GNU-stack that its not loading? |
| 06:12.12 | mwilson | JimButton: We're not discussing hotplug, we're discussing modconf and /etc/modules. What does either one of those have to do with hotplug? |
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| 06:12.20 | Nurbs | mwilson: because not all modules support boot time kernel options for example |
| 06:12.24 | mwilson | wiz: Nothing you need to worry about. |
| 06:12.49 | wiz | mwilson: hrm... thats the only error in the xfree log... but its not loading |
| 06:13.00 | mwilson | wiz: Then it's not the only error, now is it? |
| 06:13.18 | mwilson | wiz: Define "not loading", then. |
| 06:13.26 | exobyte | When my system boots, I right after lilo pops up, I get an error about a virus. I think it is bios based since the only other place it could be in is lilo. Does anyone know if linux/lilo might be doing something that sets off a virus alert? |
| 06:14.15 | wiz | mwilson: flashes and brings up the dpkg message asking if I want to see the log, in the log there arn't any (EE)'s |
| 06:14.15 | JimButton | mwilson: mitchix_ was talking about the system autodetecting and loading modules, and my system does that once i plug in external devices, i did not see that it was only about boot-time |
| 06:14.15 | dings_ | themp: thanks, I'll just check whether xnest can help first. Why not do it the ugly way :) |
| 06:14.15 | mwilson | wiz: There is no "dpkg message" asking you if you want to see the log. |
| 06:14.17 | wiz | mwilson: the dialog pops up |
| 06:14.31 | mwilson | wiz: There *might* be a prompt to show you the startup log at *install* time, but there is no such thing at run-time. |
| 06:14.39 | droopy | exobyte use boot disk with virus scanner.... |
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| 06:14.55 | wiz | mwilson: everytime it fails to load it asks if I want to see the log... |
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| 06:14.57 | somiaj | mwilson: I think he is talking about *dm failing to load and then it gives you a msg about the X server and asks you some questions. |
| 06:15.00 | mwilson | wiz: Nope. |
| 06:15.12 | mitchix_ | mwilson: it's kind of a mix really... my real point for modconf is i don't always know the module name... so it's a easy/lazy way to find and get modules to install but then i'm prob using it very wrong... |
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| 06:15.34 | somiaj | mitchix_: ls helps find module names as well...(: |
| 06:15.38 | wiz | mwilson: yeah what somiaj said |
| 06:15.53 | mwilson | somiaj: Some display manager might be whining about X, but X itself certainly isn't. |
| 06:16.04 | mwilson | wiz: Which display manager do you have installed? |
| 06:16.06 | mitchix_ | somiaj: yes but ls does not give you a text(sometimes) description of the module |
| 06:16.07 | exobyte | droopy: uh...any ideas where I could get a virus? I haven't been doing anything weird |
| 06:16.39 | exobyte | how can I block root ssh logins coming from a non-local ip? |
| 06:16.52 | mwilson | exobyte: Just disable the stupid boot-time virus crap you have turned on in the BIOS. |
| 06:16.55 | wiz | mwilson: XDM and GDM, when XDM didn't work I tried GDM |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | wiz: go check out the X log in /var/log and ~/.xsession-errors to try to find the real error that is causing you problems. |
| 06:17.09 | exobyte | mwilson: could something innocent trip it? |
| 06:17.10 | mwilson | wiz: Define "didn't work". |
| 06:17.15 | exobyte | lol |
| 06:17.26 | somiaj | exobyte: modify the sshd config file to the desired settings. |
| 06:17.31 | exobyte | linux doesn't work |
| 06:17.34 | droopy | exobyte yeah do that first disable bios |
| 06:17.38 | wiz | mwilson: flashed, then brought up the dialog asking to see if I wanted to see the log |
| 06:17.52 | caphuso | do bootsector viruses still exist? |
| 06:17.55 | mwilson | wiz: xdm has no such dialog. gdm may well, I don't know. |
| 06:18.36 | caphuso | (in the wild, not in some museum for ancient malware) |
| 06:18.58 | wiz | mwilson: then its gdm sayint that |
| 06:19.32 | mwilson | caphuso: There's no incentive. A bootblock virus was one of the few ways you could guarantee your code would start, but with more complex systems, there's endless places to hide. |
| 06:19.40 | exobyte | somiaj: what options do I want? |
| 06:19.45 | mwilson | wiz: If it was gdm saying that, then what does xdm do? |
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| 06:19.48 | mitchix_ | wiz: you used the debconf to configure your xserver? i think it's that.. i've had my system do that when xserver fails to start.... ( i think that's what does it) flash's three times then you get the message |
| 06:19.59 | wiz | mwilson: let me check again |
| 06:20.05 | mwilson | <sigh> You do that. |
| 06:20.12 | somiaj | exobyte: check the file it might be commented, else read the man page, its not something I have on top of my head. |
| 06:20.13 | caphuso | mwilson: thought so |
| 06:20.37 | wiz | mwilson: nothing, just returns the prompt |
| 06:20.55 | mwilson | wiz: What did you just do? |
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| 06:21.17 | wiz | mwilson: typed xdm at the root prompt |
| 06:21.34 | mwilson | wiz: And what was that supposed to do? |
| 06:21.43 | wiz | run xdm |
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| 06:22.02 | somiaj | wiz: go check your log /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see why your X-server isn't starting correctly. |
| 06:22.05 | mush | wiz: you're feeding a troll |
| 06:22.07 | g4lt | you can't fault his logic.... |
| 06:22.23 | gravity | No, you can't unfortunately |
| 06:22.25 | g4lt | wiz xdm is a daemon.... |
| 06:22.51 | mitchix_ | wouldn't just typing startx display the error also?? |
| 06:23.18 | mwilson | wiz: xdm is already running, isn't it? |
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| 06:23.30 | wiz | mwilson: no |
| 06:23.31 | g4lt | mitchix_ it'd actually do better...xdm doesn'tdump errors to the console... |
| 06:23.38 | mwilson | wiz: And how do you know? |
| 06:23.42 | wiz | ps aux |
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| 06:23.49 | wiz | startx gives me a fatal IO error |
| 06:23.58 | mwilson | Wow, I didn't actually think he knew that much. |
| 06:24.05 | somiaj | mitchix_: yea, though the log tells the same thing and you don't have to wait for the X server to fail again. |
| 06:24.16 | mwilson | wiz: And what is that error? |
| 06:24.20 | Justin_ | !tell wiz about X problem |
| 06:24.59 | wiz | XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on xserver "0:0" after 0 requests... |
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| 06:25.27 | mitchix_ | somiaj: depending on speed etc... it can be easyer... but /var/log/XFree... is the "correct way" |
| 06:25.34 | daos | hi all :) |
| 06:25.34 | mwilson | wiz: Put the log where someone with a clue can see it. |
| 06:25.42 | wiz | alright |
| 06:25.44 | daos | anyone use kbackup here? |
| 06:26.02 | mwilson | Only people unfortunate enough to be using KDE. |
| 06:26.12 | daos | hehehe, ok |
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| 06:26.23 | somiaj | mitchix_: its easier to less the log though...(: |
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| 06:26.41 | mwilson | Actually, "using" is probably too strong... it's not like you can use KDE for much. |
| 06:26.49 | somiaj | daos: you may have more sympathic people in #debian-kde |
| 06:26.55 | mwilson | KDE specializes in getting in the way. |
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| 06:27.08 | bob2 | mwilson: acutally, that was a design goal. |
| 06:27.09 | daos | i'm not using kde at all |
| 06:27.18 | daos | I am using the command line version |
| 06:27.21 | mitchix_ | somiaj: if you know were the log is etc... ya... as i said that would be the "correct" way... startx just lazy and quick and right there... |
| 06:27.21 | daos | :D |
| 06:27.22 | bob2 | mwilson: right after "appealing to the despised newbies" and "annoying you". |
| 06:27.28 | mwilson | bob2: KDE has design goals? Whodathunkit? |
| 06:27.47 | daos | somiaj: is there something better I can use? |
| 06:27.48 | somiaj | mitchix_: yup, thats the nice thing about linux, there are lots of hacks to get things working...(: |
| 06:27.58 | somiaj | daos: cp -a, and tar are nice backup tools. |
| 06:27.59 | mwilson | bob2: I thought their only goal was implemting $USELESS_FEATURES. |
| 06:28.09 | wiz | mwilson: http://24.7.140.208/xserverlog |
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| 06:29.00 | daos | somiaj: ok cheers |
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| 06:29.28 | mwilson | ew, 5328. |
| 06:29.55 | mwilson | You used their installer. |
| 06:30.23 | wiz | mwilson: for the nv driver? |
| 06:30.32 | mwilson | You're not running the nv driver. |
| 06:30.34 | somiaj | wiz: well at least it lets ya know that its 'Not loading .note.GNU-stack'...(: |
| 06:30.39 | daos | well this is the error I am getting and need some help with: afio: "backup/test system backup.bkf": Can't archive file with size >= 2GB |
| 06:30.44 | mwilson | You're using the nvidia binary driver. |
| 06:30.53 | wiz | mwilson: yeah I know |
| 06:31.10 | mwilson | You didn't even know the difference between the two. |
| 06:31.27 | somiaj | the nv driver on x 4.2 probably doesn't support a geforce4 ti 4600 anyways. |
| 06:31.28 | mwilson | Where's the rest of the log? |
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| 06:31.39 | wiz | mwilson: the nv driver that's packaged with xserver has never worked for me, nvidia has up until this point |
| 06:31.45 | wiz | mwilson: thats the whole file, I cp'd it |
| 06:31.53 | wiz | mwilson: thats why I'm here, I can't find a problem |
| 06:32.10 | somiaj | daos: sounds like your backup.bkf file has a size limit, it probably talks about that in /usr/share/doc/kbackup or the man page. |
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| 06:32.56 | caphuso | wiz: do you have xterm installed? |
| 06:33.05 | wiz | caphuso: I think so, let me check |
| 06:33.14 | wiz | caphuso: yeah |
| 06:33.14 | mwilson | caphuso: He claims it dies during X startup. |
| 06:33.26 | mwilson | caphuso: The log is truncated, so maybe it does. |
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| 06:33.46 | caphuso | wiz: kill xdm/gdm/whatever you have running right now, then run this: rm -f ~/.x{session,initrc}; echo exec xterm > ~/.xsession; startx |
| 06:33.54 | daos | somiaj: thanks again :D |
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| 06:34.29 | polok | how do I have to guis running at the same time: is it "startx - :1.0" |
| 06:34.31 | Justin_ | mwilson: you get that when the drivers is fucked for some reason |
| 06:34.49 | caphuso | polok: /msg dpkg 2ndx |
| 06:34.52 | Justin_ | likely because he used the nvidia installer and then upgraded X |
| 06:34.58 | mitchix_ | the NVDRIVER instructions say to NOT LOAD GLcore... your xfree is loading it?? |
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| 06:35.58 | wiz | mitchix_: I still have GLCore loading? |
| 06:36.11 | wiz | caphuso: did that, same results... nothing |
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| 06:36.30 | mwilson | Justin_: Yeah, he has -15 running. |
| 06:36.38 | BroTroxer | Hi i wonder if anyone knows where the mysql stores it`s databases (i just did a apt-get install to install the mysql) |
| 06:36.45 | freyr_ | can someone plz suggest a 400mhz fsb athlon xp 2600+ compatable motherboard that doesnt suck like this POS nforce2? |
| 06:36.57 | mwilson | BroTroxer: In /var where the documentation says they are. |
| 06:37.13 | caphuso | wiz: then check Justin_'s or mitchix_'s suggestions |
| 06:37.16 | BroTroxer | mwilson: thanks |
| 06:37.25 | mitchix_ | wiz: but i don't know if that's what's causing your trouble... i just see that it's still loading it... |
| 06:37.32 | mwilson | freyr_: An Athlon 2600+ isn't a 400 mhz FSB chip. |
| 06:37.44 | wiz | mitchix_: I took it off and its still not loading |
| 06:38.13 | freyr_ | mwilson: ? |
| 06:38.25 | mwilson | freyr_: You have a problem with that statement? |
| 06:38.25 | wiz | Justin_: I actually did the dist-upgrade to sid, then installed the driver |
| 06:38.28 | Nurbs | freyr_: RAM clock != FSB |
| 06:38.37 | freyr_ | mwilson: can you just tell me which motherboard to buy... Im a programmer ;)... I have no clue about this stuff. |
| 06:38.40 | simonrvn | @dict fsb |
| 06:38.55 | mwilson | freyr_: I'm not about to tell you what motherboard to buy. |
| 06:39.03 | mitchix_ | wiz: reupload your XF log file |
| 06:39.14 | polok | my word, dpkg is kind |
| 06:39.15 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 06:39.15 | somiaj | freyr_: I like the asus a7v600, its 400fsb....it what I use. |
| 06:39.16 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 06:39.26 | polok | thank you caphuso |
| 06:39.31 | freyr_ | mwilson: im under the impression that athlong 2600+ takes advantage of 400mhz fsb. no? |
| 06:39.36 | somiaj | dpkg, botsnack |
| 06:39.37 | dpkg | somiaj: :) |
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| 06:39.58 | mwilson | freyr_: No. |
| 06:40.08 | simonrvn | @wb wasabi |
| 06:40.09 | ravenbird | Welcome back wasabi, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 06:40.14 | mwilson | freyr_: A 2600+ is a 333 mhz FSB chip. |
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| 06:40.18 | wiz | mitchix_: http://24.7.140.208/xserverlog2 |
| 06:40.27 | mwilson | freyr_: As is documented. |
| 06:40.28 | somiaj | freyr_: I think the XP 3000+ is the lowest 400 fsb chip. |
| 06:40.44 | freyr_ | mwilson: oh.... so i shouldnt really care about 400 fsb? |
| 06:40.46 | Pushkin | when debian boots it is in command mode... what do i type in to get it into gnome or kde? |
| 06:40.49 | wasabi | haha |
| 06:40.55 | freyr_ | mwilson: unless i might want to upgrade in the future? |
| 06:40.58 | Nurbs | freyr_: 333 MHz FSB, 200 MHz RAM, which makes for "400" MHz DDR |
| 06:41.01 | mwilson | freyr_: When did I say that? I have no opinion on what you shoudl and shouldn't care about. |
| 06:41.05 | simonrvn | Pushkin: you install that stuff |
| 06:41.15 | mwilson | freyr_: I'm simply correcting your mistakes. |
| 06:41.22 | bob2 | Pushkin: startx. assuming X and kde and whatever are installed |
| 06:41.26 | somiaj | wiz: you said you X has worked before with the 'nvidia' driver, what made it stop working? |
| 06:41.27 | freyr_ | mwilson: ya thanks for that... but no reason to be a jerk. |
| 06:41.29 | Pushkin | simonrvn how? |
| 06:41.33 | Pushkin | bob2 ok |
| 06:41.37 | Pushkin | thanks |
| 06:41.37 | Nurbs | freyr_: 3000+ and higher is available as 400 MHz FSB (but also 333 MHz) |
| 06:41.45 | simonrvn | apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 06:41.52 | wiz | somiaj: I reinstalled debian. |
| 06:42.00 | freyr_ | Nurbs: ok gotcha... thanks so much for clearing me up |
| 06:42.02 | mwilson | freyr_: No, being a jerk would be telling you to go out and buy something. |
| 06:42.15 | somiaj | wiz: well your log still looks trunkcated. |
| 06:42.18 | freyr_ | somiaj: any problems with this? |
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| 06:42.36 | freyr_ | somiaj: i mean... does the stock kernel support the audio, network cards? |
| 06:42.42 | wiz | somiaj: which is why I'm confused, I'm used to being able to find the errors in the log and fix the problem... |
| 06:43.10 | mwilson | Looks like ASUS still can't get a clue about how to mount components. |
| 06:43.26 | CompWizrd | mwilson: or how to have a valid email address to mail to for tech support |
| 06:43.26 | Nurbs | freyr_: that board (and chipset) sounds ok from what I've heard, not sure about onboard components, though. you should get the most recent stable 2.4 kernel for that, though |
| 06:43.40 | somiaj | freyr_: I like the bord just fine, but the onboard sound card has trouble with the 4 channells (I just use a sblive instead) and it has a gigabit network card which I'm not using...though I compile my own kernels. |
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| 06:44.31 | freyr_ | somiaj: does the gigabit network card work under linux? |
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| 06:44.47 | Nurbs | somiaj: it should, it's a 3com 3c940 |
| 06:44.49 | Nurbs | eh |
| 06:44.51 | mitchix_ | wiz: try this echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield |
| 06:44.52 | Nurbs | freyr_ even |
| 06:45.00 | mwilson | CompWizrd: Oh, ASUS has been clueless about on-line support since the beginning. |
| 06:45.08 | somiaj | freyr_: never messed with it, there are modules but being on a local 100mb network with three machines its over kill. |
| 06:45.13 | Nurbs | somiaj: which is way better than any other NIC you probably have ;) |
| 06:45.14 | wiz | somiaj: somthing just came to me, when I used the nvidia installer it complained about gcc being a different version than what the kernel was compiled with... probably because I'm using bf24 kernel, and I did the upgrade to sid... could that break it? |
| 06:45.20 | Pushkin | the apt-get install gnome gdm didn't work... so how would i go around installing and running gnome from the start.. please help |
| 06:45.26 | Nurbs | somiaj: it does 100 mbit, too, you know :) |
| 06:45.39 | mwilson | CompWizrd: They just can't get their heads around the idea of not putting filter capacitors where you're trying to mount a heat sink. |
| 06:45.47 | somiaj | Nurbs: yup, but I like my 3com905B.....(: |
| 06:46.08 | Nurbs | somiaj: heh, I like that one, too. but 3c940 should be just as fine ;) |
| 06:46.32 | freyr_ | somiaj: Oh... I was planning on connecting to a 10mbit lan |
| 06:46.44 | wiz | mitchix_: no such file |
| 06:46.52 | Nurbs | freyr_: heh, it does 10/100/1000 mbit, oc |
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| 06:46.59 | mwilson | The fact that it has gigabit ethernet on it is a meaningless selling point... they're not selling into the market(s) where gigabit is at all prevalent. |
| 06:47.03 | somiaj | Nurbs: yup, I'm just to lazy to mess with it when its easy to plug in a pci card I have lying aroudn anyways. |
| 06:47.18 | Nurbs | gbit can be nice even at home |
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| 06:47.26 | Nurbs | nice, not crucial... |
| 06:47.39 | freyr_ | Nurbs: well im wondering if the net card is supported or if i need another one. |
| 06:47.59 | somiaj | freyr_: I'm just an asus fan (despite their drawbacks) and I have had good luck with their bords and the via chipsets, though I have seen comparable boards that may server your porpuse from abit, msi etc. |
| 06:48.11 | Nurbs | freyr_: I bet you won't need another one, but tbh I haven't checked. uhm, I could check with my 2.6 kernel if you're interested... |
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| 06:48.34 | mwilson | I don't know what my next motherboard is going to be... abit has gone down the nforce road, so I need to choose a new manufacturer. |
| 06:48.43 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'fsb' (2 shown): a federally chartered savings bank ;; the internal counterintelligence agency of the Russian Federation and successor to the Soviet KGB; formerly led by Vladimir Putin. |
| 06:49.09 | freyr_ | Nurbs: please :) |
| 06:49.15 | Pushkin | can someone please help me with getting gnome to work on debian |
| 06:49.19 | mwilson | I'm not in any hurry to replace my KD7, though. |
| 06:49.33 | r3yc4s | can help me pls? |
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| 06:49.59 | deadcat | MRE rocks. (= |
| 06:49.59 | mwilson | MRE? |
| 06:49.59 | Nurbs | freyr_: hm, good I checked. can't find it :) let me check the web... |
| 06:50.02 | deadcat | meal ready-to-eat |
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| 06:50.09 | mwilson | ew |
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| 06:50.23 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:50.27 | somiaj | mwilson: I've heard nice things about the newer msi boards, though don't nkow much about their chipset. |
| 06:50.35 | mwilson | I can't say I'd rather starve, but there are many things I'd rather do than eat one of those. |
| 06:50.41 | deadcat | mwilson: wheat bread and milkshake is hella good. |
| 06:50.52 | mwilson | somiaj: Whoever said anything nice about MSI must have been on some good drugs. |
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| 06:53.40 | Nurbs | freyr_: hm, there is support for the 3c940 in 2.6.1-rc1-mm2 at least... it's called "Marvell Yukon CHipset / SysKonnect SK-98xx Support" there, heh |
| 06:54.08 | Nurbs | freyr_: for 2.4 I don't know, it seems that there are at least (bah, don't use them) binary drivers around... |
| 06:54.12 | Pushkin | how do i install gnome on a frash debian install |
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| 06:54.13 | jacobsid | Ayttm downloaded my contact list, but it never finishes connecting to MSN. Any attym/MSN users here that the connection works for? I couldn't find a bug or anything on google. |
| 06:54.14 | Pushkin | ? |
| 06:54.35 | somiaj | Pushkin: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 06:55.04 | Pushkin | somiaj huh? that's like an irc command |
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| 06:55.37 | somiaj | jacobsid: msn last october went though some changes that blocked lots of third party clients, your Ayttm may just be to old to connect. |
| 06:55.38 | Nurbs | it is |
| 06:55.41 | zamolxes | ~tell Pushkin about install gnome |
| 06:55.48 | r3yc4s | pushkin i cant load any desk on my debian too :S |
| 06:55.52 | somiaj | Pushkin: yup, an irc command. |
| 06:55.59 | freyr_ | Nurbs: im getting the impression that the nforce2 chipset is bad. Any idea why? |
| 06:56.23 | Pushkin | :P |
| 06:56.25 | Pushkin | thanks |
| 06:56.33 | freyr_ | Nurbs: i had the impression this was because of binary drivers for net and no sound but this seems to be universal with new mobos no? |
| 06:56.39 | Nurbs | freyr_: hmm... I've had no problems with it _except_ for nvaudio and nvnet |
| 06:56.39 | jacobsid | somiaj: Thanks. That's why I switched from everybuddy, it's no longer supported upstream. The bug on it said 'dropping package, try ayttm' |
| 06:56.52 | freyr_ | Nurbs: you have an nforce2? |
| 06:57.05 | somiaj | jacobsid: gaim in sid works fine for msn |
| 06:57.33 | gb | yuck |
| 06:57.38 | mwilson | <sigh> I'm building up too many packages on hold again... |
| 06:57.40 | jacobsid | somiaj: I'll try gaim then, and hang here for a bit incase any ayttm/msn users are on |
| 06:58.19 | somiaj | freyr_: I am unsure on the quality of nforce boards, but since nvidia dosen't realse its spects all of the drivers for it in linux are their closed source binarys thus most linux users don't like the board. |
| 06:58.21 | freyr_ | Nurbs: I have this one now http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7n8x-x/overview.htm If I take it back then I only get 75% of my money back. Maybe I shouldnt return it. |
| 06:58.58 | Nurbs | freyr_: audio works with the i810 audio module, but it sucks with that, I don't use it (but I did never expect to use onboard sound anyway). nvnet I didn't expect to use either (my board has got two nics, a 3c920 also...). there's a kinda experimental driver (at least in 2.6) for that existing, though. haven't tried that and probably won't. |
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| 06:59.23 | mwilson | gb: hdparm, lilo, scribus, few others. |
| 06:59.41 | Nurbs | freyr_: in 2.6 there have very recently been some nforce2 fixes, too. the chipset certainly does have its bugs, but it works for me. |
| 06:59.51 | freyr_ | somiaj: hmm... so if i dont use the onboard net/audio then im ok with nforce2? |
| 07:00.26 | mwilson | oh, hey, the stupidity wrt scribus and python 2.2 seems to be gone. |
| 07:00.27 | Nurbs | freyr_: my system runs 24/7 and the only stability issue I've had was with the graphics card fan since like 2.4.22 after which I switched to the 2.6 test series :) |
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| 07:01.23 | Nurbs | freyr_: I've got the A7N8X-Deluxe btw (not N8X-X(-Deluxe)), but that should do not worse ;) |
| 07:01.24 | freyr_ | Nurbs: so I should just go buy a sb live and ethernet card. Any suggestions on cheap? |
| 07:01.28 | mwilson | No, the stupidity has just moved to python 2.3 |
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| 07:01.36 | pole | anyone have a cool xvnc icon? |
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| 07:02.15 | r3yc4s | i cant load any desk on my debian. say fatal server error no screen found :`( can help me pls? |
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| 07:02.28 | Nurbs | freyr_: you could give the onboard nic and the new inofficial drivers a try first. I would recommend running 2.6.x with that board, too |
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| 07:02.56 | bob2 | !+noscreensfound |
| 07:02.57 | dpkg | methinks noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question |
| 07:02.57 | freyr_ | Nurbs: im having trouble installing as it doesnt detect the network card |
| 07:03.37 | Pushkin | so after i install gnome... what do i do to get it working and login and all? |
| 07:04.09 | Nurbs | freyr_: the onboard one? yeah... either don't install from the net or load the binary drivers somehow or put some other card into the box during the install. or just get a new one ;) |
| 07:04.19 | r3yc4s | bob2 huh? |
| 07:04.25 | r3yc4s | can u help me? |
| 07:04.29 | bob2 | r3yc4s: read that |
| 07:04.51 | bob2 | Pushkin: echo exec gnome-session >> ~/.xsession |
| 07:04.54 | freyr_ | Nurbs: thanks so much for the help |
| 07:04.55 | bob2 | Pushkin: then run "startx" |
| 07:05.27 | mwilson | someone NMU's a2ps and THAT'S all they fix? |
| 07:05.38 | r3yc4s | !noscreensfound |
| 07:05.38 | dpkg | hmm... noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question |
| 07:05.47 | bob2 | come on |
| 07:05.52 | bob2 | it already printed it once |
| 07:06.12 | r3yc4s | :`( |
| 07:06.18 | bob2 | what? |
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| 07:06.29 | bob2 | stop doing that, you have seen the solution twice now |
| 07:06.40 | Nurbs | freyr_: for kernel you should try running the latest 2.6 with mm patches currently (2.6.1-rc1-mm2), IMO, given that it contains some nforce patches :) this also means: don't use that box for anything mission-critical ;) |
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| 07:07.42 | Nurbs | freyr_: also that kernel still contains the mremap bug, heh |
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| 07:08.10 | r3yc4s | bob 2 then hoy i reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pls? |
| 07:08.20 | bob2 | do you speak english? |
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| 07:08.24 | bob2 | type " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 " |
| 07:08.42 | Pushkin | bob2 thanks a lot |
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| 07:08.50 | Nurbs | bob2: you forgot the "pls" |
| 07:09.44 | r3yc4s | bob2 yeah |
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| 07:10.16 | r3yc4s | type " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 " as root? |
| 07:10.58 | Pushkin | bob2 it's not working :P |
| 07:11.05 | bob2 | (sigh 'r3yc4s) |
| 07:11.10 | gravity | hehe |
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| 07:11.16 | arturaz | what is should use to report bugs. "bug" or "reportbug" ? |
| 07:11.17 | bob2 | r3yc4s: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:11.22 | bob2 | arturaz: reportbug |
| 07:11.24 | arturaz | what i should use* |
| 07:11.28 | arturaz | ok |
| 07:12.15 | Shorty` | anyone set up a linux ftpd to support FXP? |
| 07:12.20 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:12.28 | karsten | Can anyone say if suExec is recommended for Apache? |
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| 07:12.31 | bob2 | #warez will know. |
| 07:12.41 | dippo | can anyone think of a reason why my hard drive tests twice as fast in knoppix than it does in debian? |
| 07:12.48 | dippo | i have made sure hdparm parameters are all the same |
| 07:12.56 | dippo | same IDE chipset driver in the kernel |
| 07:12.59 | bob2 | dippo: because you're using different kernel versions? |
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| 07:13.09 | sTone_heAd | dippo, knoppix does the hdparm trick when starting |
| 07:13.10 | Shorty` | bob2: was that aimed at me? |
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| 07:13.18 | dippo | perhaps but I wouldn't expect it to be that drastic a problem |
| 07:13.19 | dippo | what trick? |
| 07:13.27 | dippo | i have made hdparm look exactly the same |
| 07:13.32 | dippo | DMA on, multcount, etc |
| 07:13.34 | sTone_heAd | dippo, enabling dma n stuff |
| 07:13.38 | bob2 | Shorty`: yeah |
| 07:13.42 | dippo | in knoppix it's still twice as fast |
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| 07:13.46 | dippo | the only difference I see is |
| 07:13.52 | dippo | when I do cat /proc/ide/amd74xx in knoppix |
| 07:13.54 | bob2 | dippo: look what kernel version they're using. |
| 07:14.00 | dippo | it lists the transfer mode for all the drives as PIO (unless I turn on DMA) |
| 07:14.01 | knoppix | wow g |
| 07:14.08 | dippo | in debian, it's UDMA |
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| 07:14.19 | knoppix | right |
| 07:14.20 | bob2 | yadayda |
| 07:14.22 | dippo | well, I am using 2.4.24 so I would imagine I've got whatever they've got |
| 07:14.24 | bob2 | check the kernel versions |
| 07:14.49 | Shorty` | bob2: no, seriously.. you got any ideas? |
| 07:15.01 | dippo | turning DMA on or off in knoppix doesn't improve the buffer-cache read that is twice as fast |
| 07:15.06 | dippo | i am stumped |
| 07:15.16 | dippo | er, doesn't improve or degrade, rather |
| 07:15.17 | Pushkin | apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome i installed these.. is this right? also what do i type in after to get lgged in to the gui? |
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| 07:15.35 | bob2 | dippo: come on, check the freaking kernel versions. |
| 07:15.45 | bob2 | dippo: you've basically said it's the only thing you haven't checked yet. |
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| 07:15.59 | bob2 | Pushkin: gnome-core at least, too. |
| 07:16.06 | Pushkin | oh |
| 07:16.07 | bob2 | Pushkin: also, gnome is fucked in sarge |
| 07:16.11 | Pushkin | :P |
| 07:16.25 | Pushkin | i am using the debian installer |
| 07:16.26 | bob2 | seriously |
| 07:16.36 | bob2 | well, there you go. |
| 07:16.48 | Pushkin | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:16.50 | gb | you do? |
| 07:16.50 | Pushkin | this |
| 07:17.00 | bob2 | well, there you go. |
| 07:17.05 | gravity | Wheee |
| 07:17.08 | gravity | Go d-i |
| 07:17.38 | Pushkin | bob2 is that sarge? or what the hell? |
| 07:17.39 | Pushkin | :P |
| 07:17.55 | bob2 | :PPPPPPPPPP, stop. |
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| 07:18.06 | bob2 | d-i is the new installer for sarge, and installs sarge by default |
| 07:18.07 | Pushkin | lol |
| 07:18.09 | Pushkin | ok |
| 07:18.09 | bob2 | gnome in sarge is broken |
| 07:18.10 | dippo | i have checked the kernels |
| 07:18.13 | gooodies | I compile the kernel using the 'kp' way. And everytime it give me a blank screen when starting up on lilo. Any clue? |
| 07:18.13 | dippo | i am using 2.4.24 |
| 07:18.17 | gravity | As is d-i, for that matter |
| 07:18.18 | dippo | knoppix is using 2.4.22 |
| 07:18.18 | eeyore- | s/in sarge// |
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| 07:18.27 | coltrane | lo all |
| 07:18.43 | dippo | now it very well could be something specific they've turned on in their kernel, but that's what I am trying to figure out |
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| 07:18.57 | Pushkin | bob2 is there a way to fix it? |
| 07:19.00 | dippo | I am wondering if the older drives on my controller operating in UDMA mode are bringing down the one fast drive |
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| 07:19.13 | piap | hi all |
| 07:19.27 | eeyore- | dippo: UDMA is faster than PIO |
| 07:19.33 | bob2 | you have more than one disk on a channel? |
| 07:19.38 | dippo | that's what I understood |
| 07:19.56 | dippo | yes |
| 07:20.06 | eeyore- | dippo: however, no device on one bus is going to be faster than the slower of the two |
| 07:20.19 | dippo | in any event, I don't think that's what it is, because I just turned DMA on all the drives in knoppix and it was still twice as fast |
| 07:20.28 | dippo | eeyore-: right |
| 07:20.43 | dippo | i am just trying to isolate the performance boost that knoppix achieves somehow |
| 07:20.46 | dippo | which is quite drastic |
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| 07:20.53 | mwilson | eeyore-: Uh, that's a very old myth. |
| 07:21.00 | Pushkin | so is there any good debian installer out there? or do i have to get someone to program one? |
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| 07:21.00 | eeyore- | dippo: "performance boost" compared to what? |
| 07:21.05 | mwilson | eeyore-: Well, not a myth, but not true any more, either. |
| 07:21.21 | coltrane | i'm having troubles with X, every time I quit startx, the system crash :-( (i dont have graphic card, using the one of the motherboard : via) |
| 07:21.22 | bob2 | Pushkin: eh? install woody like a normal person. |
| 07:21.28 | dippo | eeyore-: in knoppix, when I run "hdparm -t -T /dev/hdd", buffer-cache reads peg out at 615 MB/s |
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| 07:21.34 | dippo | in debian, the same test yields 300 MB/s |
| 07:21.41 | pabs3 | anyone know of a fat16/32 fsck prog better than the std dosfsck? |
| 07:21.43 | dippo | on the same machine |
| 07:22.08 | Pushkin | bob2 well i need an installer.. becuase i am working on my own distro...as u can see i am not the techie... i am the designer... but i actually need debian with a gui installer |
| 07:22.13 | eeyore- | dippo: i doubt that 600MB/sec is from the drive, so UDMA/PIO doesn't apply |
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| 07:22.25 | dippo | eeyore-: what do you mean? |
| 07:22.36 | Nurbs | especially because it's faster than PCI :) |
| 07:22.40 | dippo | oh i see what you mean |
| 07:22.41 | eeyore- | dippo: that figure is probably from RAM |
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| 07:22.55 | dippo | is is possible that knoppix is showing a faster number simply because it's running in a ramdisk? |
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| 07:23.10 | dippo | i didn't think to consider hdparm might be affected by that |
| 07:23.17 | eeyore- | dippo: so it's probably more of a CPU optimization. are you running debian with "386" kernel? |
| 07:23.41 | dippo | in debian I am compiled for the athlon architecture |
| 07:23.48 | bob2 | Pushkin: why? |
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| 07:23.51 | bob2 | !+anaconda |
| 07:23.51 | dpkg | i guess anaconda is redhat's new installations system, it's GPLed and may come to other distros hopefully it has gtk+ and text based interface, or being ported to Debian by progeny |
| 07:23.53 | bob2 | !+anaconda debian |
| 07:23.59 | bob2 | !+listkeys anaconda |
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| 07:24.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'anaconda' by key (1 shown): anaconda. |
| 07:24.27 | Pushkin | bob2 i tried that.. personall i don't really like it... is there anything else out there? |
| 07:24.35 | eeyore- | dippo: diff the config files if you're curious :) |
| 07:24.40 | dippo | diff what config files |
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| 07:25.26 | SexyKen | Hey guys, what is the best way to get pico installed? |
| 07:25.45 | eeyore- | dippo: /boot/config-* in knoppix and debian |
| 07:25.47 | bob2 | SexyKen: install nano |
| 07:25.48 | arturaz | apt-get install nano |
| 07:25.51 | arturaz | nano = pico |
| 07:25.52 | SexyKen | bob: I want pico! |
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| 07:25.59 | SexyKen | I am used to typing pico though |
| 07:26.06 | dippo | oh |
| 07:26.16 | SexyKen | I guess I could just make a symoblic link? |
| 07:26.17 | arturaz | NAME |
| 07:26.18 | dippo | well, there's gonna be assloads of difference, but I could pore through it |
| 07:26.18 | arturaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.30 | dippo | I am wondering now though if the hdparm test is exaggerated in knoppix because of the ramdisk factor |
| 07:26.31 | systems | vim rules |
| 07:26.39 | arturaz | no it doesn't |
| 07:26.41 | arturaz | :) |
| 07:26.43 | sone | vim rules |
| 07:26.47 | dippo | i should try bonnie++ or something |
| 07:26.49 | arturaz | no it doesn't |
| 07:27.05 | arturaz | sed rules |
| 07:27.14 | Pushkin | so anaconda and this crappy official debian installer are the only ones out there? |
| 07:27.19 | sone | I run vim in my 3 major environments: linux, windows, java (IntelliJ Idea) |
| 07:27.23 | systems | vim > sed |
| 07:27.45 | arturaz | sed > borg && borg > vim so sed > vim |
| 07:27.46 | arturaz | :P |
| 07:27.46 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: exactly why is it "crappy"? |
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| 07:28.33 | bob2 | Pushkin: it's not crappy. it's BETA. |
| 07:28.34 | gravity | The_Vulture: Because it's still beta :-) |
| 07:28.39 | bob2 | Pushkin: use woody like a normal person. |
| 07:28.40 | Pushkin | the-vulture 1) it's text based 2) it isn't user friendly 3) it installs a vesion that doesn't work with gnome |
| 07:28.41 | systems | what is borg? |
| 07:28.41 | gravity | WE'RE WORKING ON IT!!! |
| 07:28.43 | gravity | Fuck |
| 07:28.45 | bob2 | hahahahahahah |
| 07:28.50 | Pushkin | bob2 did u read what said earlier |
| 07:28.51 | Pushkin | ? |
| 07:28.51 | helix` | gravity: beat them |
| 07:28.51 | The_Vulture | oh, that one, I'll just stick with the plain woody installer |
| 07:28.55 | helix` | !u |
| 07:28.55 | bob2 | Pushkin: yes, you're an idiot. |
| 07:28.56 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 07:29.01 | gravity | helix`: With what? pwm is too lightweight |
| 07:29.02 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: why is text based a problem? |
| 07:29.05 | gravity | ;-) |
| 07:29.12 | peterS | gravity: heh |
| 07:29.14 | nathanvi | excuse me, what is the command to get help from dpkg? |
| 07:29.16 | Pushkin | bob2 well i need an installer.. becuase i am working on my own distro...as u can see i am not the techie... i am the designer... but i actually need debian with a gui installer |
| 07:29.17 | helix` | gravity: should i follow my cue? |
| 07:29.18 | The_Vulture | can't say I've used d-i or whatever the new stuff is, I just install woody then upgrade |
| 07:29.18 | arturaz | !ne1 |
| 07:29.18 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 07:29.19 | bob2 | Pushkin: if you're writing your own graphical installer, do so. if you're complaininig that d-i doesn't work the way YOU want it to, send a patch. |
| 07:29.20 | peterS | gravity: the mighty wang of discover |
| 07:29.25 | gravity | Pushkin: There's a gtk frontend, but it hasn't been tested extensively yet. If you want to get it running, please do |
| 07:29.26 | helix` | hahaha |
| 07:29.28 | gravity | peterS: HAHAHA |
| 07:29.30 | bob2 | Pushkin: so WRITE IT then. |
| 07:29.39 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: why? |
| 07:29.46 | bob2 | Pushkin: how are you the "designer" if you can't figure out how to install Debian? |
| 07:30.05 | Pushkin | gravoty thanks.. your the only person that answered normally |
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| 07:30.06 | gravity | Christ man... the gtk stuff is there to be hacked by anyone who cares to |
| 07:30.10 | helix` | i think he's the "color consultant" |
| 07:30.19 | The_Vulture | helix`: ;) |
| 07:30.23 | tessier_ | helix`: He's gay? |
| 07:30.31 | mechan0r | he's the designer because he doesn't like it |
| 07:30.31 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: doesn't seem very normal if he's the only one.. |
| 07:30.46 | Pushkin | the_vulture becuase it is for designers/multimedia type.. text pased won't work |
| 07:30.47 | helix` | i'm hungry |
| 07:30.51 | eeyore- | well "U" is a word in some languages |
| 07:30.52 | bob2 | Pushkin: why? |
| 07:30.57 | helix` | eeyore-: which? |
| 07:30.58 | bob2 | Pushkin: why would they care if it's text or not? |
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| 07:31.10 | Nurbs | designers can't read? :) |
| 07:31.11 | eeyore- | helix`: dutch? |
| 07:31.21 | helix` | eeyore-: i wasn't trying to be a smartass. i was curious :) |
| 07:31.23 | mechan0r | no they refuseto do so |
| 07:31.24 | Pushkin | bob2 because it needs to look good.. text based is more complicated and can confuse unexperience users |
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| 07:31.32 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: it isn't more complicated |
| 07:31.35 | bob2 | Pushkin: no, it's not more complicated. |
| 07:31.36 | The_Vulture | why does it need to look good? |
| 07:31.37 | gravity | Pushkin: It's not complicated at all |
| 07:31.40 | helix` | what a great insight |
| 07:31.42 | mechan0r | Pushkin textbased only looks complicated |
| 07:31.44 | bob2 | Pushkin: how does it confuse people? it asks about three questions. |
| 07:31.45 | TravisBarker | I dont know if this will mean anything to you all but .... I would just like to take the time to thank the Debian team personally for creating the apt-get system, it is the best feature to compliment linux since the Kernel itself AFAIAC ... good luck with future developments |
| 07:31.45 | helix` | i hope all of you DD's caught that |
| 07:31.50 | The_Vulture | you use some keys to change focus instead of a mouse |
| 07:31.51 | gravity | Pushkin: If you look at the gtk and curses based frontend, they're identical frontends for the same info |
| 07:31.55 | gravity | Literally |
| 07:31.57 | Pushkin | exactly it looks complicated |
| 07:31.57 | The_Vulture | if someone can't deal with that they need counselling, not a GUI |
| 07:31.58 | helix` | !be a debian install barbie |
| 07:31.59 | dpkg | awwww, debian install is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 07:32.04 | bob2 | Pushkin: the GTK version is EXACTLY the same, except rendered in GTK. |
| 07:32.14 | Pushkin | bob2 that;s fine |
| 07:32.18 | The_Vulture | Pushkin: how does it look complicated? it's nice little windows with nice little buttons and lists and things |
| 07:32.24 | helix` | stimulate your prostate, sucka |
| 07:32.26 | mechan0r | SuSE's installer is by the best I've seen |
| 07:32.27 | gravity | Woohoo! |
| 07:32.28 | Pushkin | i am selling a distro to designers and artists.. they don;t want text based |
| 07:32.32 | gravity | helix`: What did you want us to catch? |
| 07:32.35 | The_Vulture | selling? and you're bitching to us? |
| 07:32.37 | The_Vulture | riiight.. |
| 07:32.39 | helix` | gravity: i was kidding |
| 07:32.45 | helix` | :) |
| 07:32.47 | gravity | helix`: Ah, that's what I figured ;-) |
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| 07:32.56 | helix` | @blehbat gravity |
| 07:33.03 | mechan0r | he's not bitching "he's being very professional" like the professional that he is |
| 07:33.10 | The_Vulture | mechan0r: my mistake |
| 07:33.11 | helix` | haha |
| 07:33.12 | Nurbs | mechan0r: except that it crashed on half the machines during install if not explicitly told not to use a graphical install :P |
| 07:33.13 | Pushkin | i'm not bitching |
| 07:33.15 | Pushkin | i am just asking |
| 07:33.32 | Pushkin | i'm not compalingin |
| 07:33.33 | mechan0r | not the one I saw |
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| 07:33.45 | Pushkin | mechan0r what did u see? |
| 07:34.10 | mechan0r | flawless hands free the pron industry would make amint if they used for DVD menus |
| 07:34.37 | helix` | am i the only one who didn't understand that? |
| 07:34.41 | peterS | no |
| 07:34.42 | Nurbs | yes |
| 07:34.43 | The_Vulture | helix`: no |
| 07:34.57 | helix` | Nurbs: you must speak retard |
| 07:34.58 | gravity | Nope |
| 07:35.15 | Nurbs | helix`: Yow! Are we having fun yet? |
| 07:35.16 | mechan0r | One page for all the configuration click on alink if you think you need to change anything otherwise let 'er rip |
| 07:35.22 | helix` | party on |
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| 07:35.29 | Nurbs | :) |
| 07:35.38 | helix` | bob2: this mechan0r person reminds me of your random words sig |
| 07:35.46 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 07:36.26 | mechan0r | randomnes and a broken spacebar (or misfiring thumb) have nothing to do with each other |
| 07:36.39 | helix` | mechan0r: what about misfiring neurotransmitters? |
| 07:36.48 | mechan0r | gthey average out |
| 07:36.50 | Nurbs | do designers use computers with some of those mac mice (one button) and no keyboard? :) |
| 07:36.55 | helix` | i beg to differ |
| 07:36.58 | mechan0r | amlost er almost |
| 07:37.14 | peterS | helix`: are you saying he's got Multiple $clerosis, or however we would abbreviate that in this channel? |
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| 07:37.29 | eeyore- | mechan0r: you're not gonna start on anagram, are you? |
| 07:37.36 | helix` | hahahahaha |
| 07:38.19 | mechan0r | i can't think of an anagram for anagram sorry |
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| 07:38.40 | peterS | mechan0r: that's why we have anagram generators in debian. apt-cache search is your friend |
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| 07:39.33 | eeyore- | ah, i am saved. no palindrome generator, yet |
| 07:39.38 | peterS | heh |
| 07:40.56 | mechan0r | imtellitary miligence |
| 07:41.05 | mechan0r | damn it |
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| 07:41.54 | peterS | mechan0r: "m0re chan" |
| 07:42.19 | mechan0r | reach m0n |
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| 07:42.56 | mechan0r | seriously though |
| 07:42.57 | peterS | ch0re man |
| 07:43.32 | mechan0r | them's fightin words\ |
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| 07:44.53 | eeyore- | n0, am cher |
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| 07:47.00 | shoutt | how would i do multiple -ao nulls when using *?? how would i make it apply to all ? like using mplayer *mpg -ao null |
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| 07:47.26 | peterS | eeyore-: heh |
| 07:47.43 | debian | karsten: you've been staying in your garage for how long. :) |
| 07:48.01 | karsten | debian: I'd rather not say. |
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| 07:48.15 | hramrach | shoutt: you should be able to set it in config a file |
| 07:48.30 | shoutt | hramrach: hum?, i just need it this time |
| 07:48.48 | mechan0r | an is having a time with eeyore |
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| 07:48.58 | hramrach | yes, you can change it back :) |
| 07:49.06 | eeyore- | still no low-latency patch for 2.4.23 huh |
| 07:49.24 | mechan0r | ranch me |
| 07:49.44 | shoutt | eeyore-: whats low latency? |
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| 07:49.56 | mechan0r | caner hm |
| 07:50.00 | hramrach | and you can run mplayer for each of the files in a shell loop |
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| 07:50.41 | eeyore- | shoutt: reduce latency in kernel, makes system more responsive for interactive desktop use, audio apps, mpeg player, etc. |
| 07:50.54 | shoutt | eeyore-: how much faster does it make it? |
| 07:51.06 | hramrach | shoutt: assuming that mplayer -ao null *mpg deos not work |
| 07:51.08 | shoutt | eeyore-: is it worth it |
| 07:51.15 | eeyore- | shoutt: you can find benchmarks that are readily available |
| 07:51.19 | sone | not faster, more responsive |
| 07:51.29 | sone | and the answer is: for desktops, significantly |
| 07:51.32 | mechan0r | So who here knows how to keep X and emacs and flwm but use up less than 500 megs? |
| 07:51.35 | shoutt | eeyore-: url? |
| 07:51.50 | sone | s/emacs/vim/g |
| 07:51.52 | hramrach | shoutt: you can try gmplayer as well |
| 07:51.53 | eeyore- | shoutt: kernel-patch-2.4-lowlatency, or just google for "linux low latency patch" |
| 07:51.59 | mechan0r | nano |
| 07:52.03 | shoutt | hramrach: for f in *.mpg ; do mplayer "$f" -ao null ; done |
| 07:52.31 | mechan0r | I just like the dark slate / wheat color scheme from the olden days |
| 07:52.50 | shoutt | eeyore-: do debian kernels come with it? |
| 07:53.03 | sone | no |
| 07:53.04 | hramrach | shoutt: yes, that's it. But for some reason I tend to put -ao before the filename |
| 07:53.07 | shoutt | eeyore-: I compiled .22, and it works great.. thinking about doing it with .24 |
| 07:53.09 | debian | showtt: you can just change the HZ value for that |
| 07:53.11 | eeyore- | shoutt: kernel-patch-2.4-lowlatency is a debian package. officially, no. can be applied, yes. |
| 07:53.23 | shoutt | eeyore-: is it available for 24? |
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| 07:53.32 | hramrach | shoutt: perhaps mplayer -ao null *mpg would work ? |
| 07:53.38 | shoutt | hramrach: no |
| 07:53.40 | eeyore- | shoutt: .24 is just .23 with one root exploit fix |
| 07:53.57 | mechan0r | I thought .23 was suppose to have the fix |
| 07:54.06 | sone | I am becoming fond of k3b |
| 07:54.07 | hramrach | shoutt: then use the for loop or the gui |
| 07:54.10 | sone | "just works" |
| 07:54.20 | Nurbs | eeyore-: and then some :) |
| 07:54.38 | streuner | What is with 2.6.1-rc2, does it have the fix too? |
| 07:54.38 | Nurbs | mechan0r: there's more than one in linux, you know :) |
| 07:54.43 | eeyore- | Nurbs: hmm? |
| 07:54.44 | peterS | eeyore-: nah. it is .23 with one root exploit fix, one crash fix, and a few possible leak-kernel-memory fixes |
| 07:54.44 | shoutt | eeyore-: also, i have .22 now, with bootsplash, my config works great. Whats better to do, wait? compile .24? or compile 2.6? is there bootsplash (not really needed but, oh well) and low latency for 2.6 |
| 07:55.05 | Nurbs | streuner: from what I know yes |
| 07:55.07 | eeyore- | peterS: minor aren't they? it's the rc1 released as-is |
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| 07:55.22 | jm_ | 2.6 has preempt patches already |
| 07:55.30 | peterS | eeyore-: yes, very minor. you can read the patch in 30 seconds, and understand it in probably 3 minutes or less |
| 07:55.42 | eeyore- | peterS: the one sbp2 fix i need is in the .23 so i'm happy :-D |
| 07:55.45 | streuner | Nurbs, jm_: thanks |
| 07:56.17 | eeyore- | time to sleep, good night people |
| 07:56.30 | Nurbs | g'night |
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| 07:57.41 | streuner | so why not just run 2.6 kernels? 2.4 kernels gave a lot of headaches? |
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| 07:59.18 | Nurbs | not all security fixes are forward-ported to 2.6 I've heard |
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| 07:59.35 | Nurbs | also, it isn't necessarily stable for everyone and removes support for some things. |
| 07:59.46 | Nurbs | if that was a serious question :) |
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| 07:59.58 | peterS | Nurbs: the main one is in 2.6.1-rc2. I haven't checked the (very minor) information leakage ones |
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| 08:00.13 | caphuso | Nurbs: 2.6 is declared stable, it'll get all security updates necessary |
| 08:00.38 | sone | why is transcode in sarge but not in unstable? |
| 08:00.43 | scruffy | if I wanted to get a USB "stick" drive, will the type matter? In order to be usable with a 2.4.x kernel? Anyone using a "memory stick" with a Debian machine? |
| 08:00.53 | caphuso | sone: it's in neither |
| 08:00.53 | gravity | scruffy: I use one. It's great. |
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| 08:01.01 | gravity | scruffy: The type shouldn't matter, from what I read |
| 08:01.03 | quaqo | Hi |
| 08:01.08 | gravity | scruffy: You can reformat the file system I think, but I haven't yet |
| 08:01.13 | orangey | Hey guys! Quick q.. how do I resolve interrupt (IRQ) conflicts in linux? |
| 08:01.15 | gravity | scruffy: It's pretty easy to set up too |
| 08:01.15 | sone | scruffy, the reader should work fine if you have the module installed |
| 08:01.20 | scruffy | gravity: cool. I hope so :) |
| 08:01.21 | peterS | scruffy: I have used 3, no problems |
| 08:01.23 | Nurbs | caphuso: declared stable doesn't meant that it's stable, mostly that its codebase is somewhat, heh. |
| 08:01.24 | orangey | i.e., how do I change the interrupt something is assigned? |
| 08:01.30 | streuner | Nurbs: most admins run on their servers 2.2.x-series anyway, so the 2.6.x for destop-users. |
| 08:01.41 | sone | caphuso, oh? I see it in testing right now |
| 08:01.41 | caphuso | Nurbs: guess why i said "declared stable" and not just "stable" :) |
| 08:01.42 | peterS | scruffy: different types, I mean |
| 08:01.49 | caphuso | sone: no, you don't |
| 08:01.50 | mechan0r | odd xlibmesa-dri 4.3.0pre...v5 is in stable |
| 08:01.50 | T_VoiD | orangey: is the something isa pnp? |
| 08:01.51 | scruffy | sone: standard usb modules shipped with the vanilla kernel sources, right? |
| 08:01.59 | caphuso | !+info transcode sarge |
| 08:02.01 | sone | scruffy, yep |
| 08:02.01 | dpkg | Package 'transcode' does not exist. |
| 08:02.01 | Nurbs | caphuso: heh, ok. wasn't sure ;) |
| 08:02.03 | hramrach | scruffy: look for one that works with mac |
| 08:02.03 | peterS | scruffy: usb-storage |
| 08:02.05 | scruffy | peterS: great! |
| 08:02.07 | peterS | scruffy: yes, it's standard |
| 08:02.11 | orangey | T_VoiD: nope.. it's my PCMCIA network card conflicting (hard) with my onboard ethernet |
| 08:02.20 | scruffy | outstanding, good to hear |
| 08:02.25 | bbb^ | usb mass storage thingy :) |
| 08:02.30 | helix` | !spank bob2 |
| 08:02.34 | hramrach | scruffy: my friend has an usb hdd enclosure that works only with windows |
| 08:02.38 | helix` | i don't think i did that today |
| 08:02.39 | T_VoiD | orangey: oh you can exclude some ressources in /etc/pcmcia/something.conf |
| 08:02.40 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 08:02.43 | bob2 | me either |
| 08:02.44 | caphuso | sone: you might have a non-official source in your sources.list (probably marillat's repository), but transcode is not part of debian and not even in contrib or non-free |
| 08:02.50 | peterS | scruffy: btw, both 'mtools' (traditionally for floppies) and regular 'mount' work great on these things |
| 08:02.53 | sone | caphuso, ah good call |
| 08:02.58 | caphuso | sone: what does "apt-cache policy transcode" say? |
| 08:03.00 | scruffy | hramrach: I'm talking about the "memory stick" thingys |
| 08:03.24 | sone | indeed, marillat |
| 08:03.25 | T_VoiD | orangey: config.opts |
| 08:03.26 | bbb^ | there was a few odd usb devices that only worked with a specific driver, but most of them show up as a standard mass storage device now :) |
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| 08:03.29 | sone | I now recal adding that to my sources |
| 08:04.14 | hramrach | scruffy: that is the same thing. Although I did not see a nonstandard memory stick yet. |
| 08:04.14 | T_VoiD | orangey: got it? like: exclude irq 7 |
| 08:04.17 | orangey | T_Void in /etc/pcmcia? |
| 08:04.21 | T_VoiD | orangey: yes |
| 08:04.21 | orangey | T_Void Will do |
| 08:04.36 | T_VoiD | orangey: or whatever the irq you have to exclude |
| 08:05.11 | scruffy | hramrach: I gotcha. |
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| 08:05.19 | T_VoiD | orangey: in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to be precise |
| 08:05.30 | orangey | T_VoiD: Ok, done. moment while I check out if that fixes it.. |
| 08:05.47 | T_VoiD | orangey: stop completely pcmcia and restart it |
| 08:05.49 | mechan0r | ok how much does Debian take up on average? |
| 08:05.54 | mechan0r | space that is |
| 08:06.32 | ljlane | That is a terribly broad question. |
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| 08:06.44 | mechan0r | X and flwm and emacs20 |
| 08:07.09 | orangey | T_VoiD: Done, but that didn't seem to do it.. |
| 08:07.11 | mechan0r | xchat and an |
| 08:07.20 | orangey | T_VoiD: is there any other config file that could possibly take precedent? |
| 08:07.22 | mechan0r | the rest are dependencies |
| 08:07.24 | sone | caphuso, by the way thanks. I didn't know about apt-cache policy |
| 08:07.27 | T_VoiD | orangey: you mean the card still uses same irq? |
| 08:07.40 | T_VoiD | orangey: sure you stopped completely pcmcia? |
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| 08:08.37 | orangey | T_VoiD: Sure I did.. and it does.. Moment.. it seems that it believes the only IRQ it can access is 11 somewhere, so it's not excluding it.. |
| 08:08.37 | T_VoiD | orangey: with /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop ? |
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| 08:09.20 | T_VoiD | orangey: oh well so the pcmcia can't be changed? check your bios for your built in card. hope it can be else well ... |
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| 08:09.41 | T_VoiD | orangey: works for my modem pcmcia when i want to avoid it using my soundcard irq |
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| 08:10.32 | gnomer | apt-get upgrade mostly worked but it failed on xmit, so 6 x packages did not port, how can i get those 6 over as well?? |
| 08:10.38 | T_VoiD | orangey: but i have pcmcia, not cardbus. perhaps there's other config stuff for cardbus |
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| 08:10.48 | orangey | T_VoiD: It seems to be a problem with "yenta"? |
| 08:10.59 | T_VoiD | orangey: that's cardbus and i don't know |
| 08:11.04 | orangey | "Yenta IRQ list 04b8, PCI irq11" |
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| 08:11.12 | orangey | t_void alrightie.. |
| 08:11.20 | SuperPhly | dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 <new line> hde: error waiting for DMA <--- anyone seen that problem before? |
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| 08:11.31 | debian | SuperPhly: WD right? |
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| 08:11.59 | SuperPhly | debian: uhm, hde is a hitachi/ibm drive, brand new |
| 08:12.16 | debian | SuperPhly: 2.6? |
| 08:12.21 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: brand/type of IDE controller? |
| 08:12.22 | SuperPhly | 2.4.23 |
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| 08:12.31 | T_VoiD | SuperPhly: my computer can do that when it bugs after a suspend hehe (and that's the box not the drive) |
| 08:12.48 | SuperPhly | Promise ATA100 IDE card, PCI |
| 08:12.54 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: promise is broken. |
| 08:12.54 | SuperPhly | 4 drives. |
| 08:13.13 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: I've never seen anybody getting any promise card work reliably on Linux. |
| 08:13.24 | SuperPhly | Zoiah: whats an alternative? |
| 08:13.37 | SuperPhly | it worked great for 3 days, then kaput |
| 08:13.51 | orangey | anyone familiar with how I could get Yenta to stick to a certain set of IRQs? |
| 08:13.58 | T_VoiD | SuperPhly: check cables too. on an other computer I had a disk failing after some time and after trying all i changed the cable and all went fine |
| 08:14.00 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: you can disable DMA, that generally works (but kills performance). |
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| 08:14.19 | SuperPhly | T_VoiD: mmhmmm... |
| 08:14.29 | SuperPhly | Zoiah: what sorta hit? |
| 08:14.34 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: actually, pretty much all low-end (Silicon Image, Promise, Highpoint, etc.) IDE add-on cards appear to be unreliable. |
| 08:14.35 | T_VoiD | like when cable went hot something happened dunno hehe |
| 08:14.38 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: 3ware is fine though. |
| 08:14.46 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: well, massive. :) |
| 08:14.49 | SuperPhly | this is a network fileserver, so as long as i can send 10mb... we're good |
| 08:14.55 | SuperPhly | er 100mbit |
| 08:15.03 | Zoiah | Let me do a small test. |
| 08:15.09 | SuperPhly | k |
| 08:15.25 | debian | SuperPhly: try -d 0 then |
| 08:15.26 | Zoiah | DMA on: Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.02 seconds = 17.22 MB/sec |
| 08:15.33 | Zoiah | DMA off: Timing buffered disk reads: 22 MB in 3.17 seconds = 6.93 MB/sec |
| 08:15.41 | Zoiah | And CPU utilization is much higher when DMA is disabled. |
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| 08:15.49 | SuperPhly | geeeze. |
| 08:15.56 | SuperPhly | ohkay, hmmmm... |
| 08:16.07 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: why aren't you using the onboard IDE controller? |
| 08:16.13 | SuperPhly | 5 drives total |
| 08:16.19 | debian | Zoiah: man get a better hd. :) |
| 08:16.32 | Zoiah | debian: I have better HDs, just in others machines. :) |
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| 08:17.26 | VynoM | hmmm... should I get a lot of Loop detected errors when I install a kernel? |
| 08:17.37 | SuperPhly | It's 2x180 hitachi/ibm drives 7200, 8mb ---- 2x120 maxtor 7200, 8mb |
| 08:17.50 | SuperPhly | $245 for a 3ware 4 channel card? |
| 08:17.52 | xerophyte | Which one is good Tripwire or AIDE for file integrity check? |
| 08:17.55 | fatal__ | 2.2 isn't vulnerable to mremap-problems, right? (even though it was mentioned in the advisory) |
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| 08:18.24 | streuner | fatal__: /topic? |
| 08:18.33 | ktd | ok here's my newest problem: one of my server's hard drive is giving up nearly, i want to do a fsck -c remote without rebooting - how is this possible? what to do best? |
| 08:18.47 | jm_ | ktd: don't run fsck if disk has bad sectors |
| 08:18.51 | VynoM | hmmm.... a bunch of ide and pci /lib/modules were ignored due to loop |
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| 08:19.12 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: that sounds reasonable, 3ware is pricy. |
| 08:19.30 | ktd | jm_: /var/log/messages is giving me this: Jan 7 08:34:50 server1 kernel: hdc: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 08:19.30 | ktd | Jan 7 08:34:50 server1 kernel: hdc: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=68100711, sector=60293120 |
| 08:19.42 | jm_ | SuperPhly: it can probably do RAID5 and whatnot - and has cache on board |
| 08:19.44 | Zoiah | ktd: that means you have bad sectors on your drive. |
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| 08:19.53 | Zoiah | ktd: most likely. |
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| 08:19.59 | jm_ | ktd: hmm status=0x59, google for that and see what comes out |
| 08:20.03 | ktd | nothing i can do to prevent further damage until hdd is changed? |
| 08:20.08 | SuperPhly | raid5 isn't something i'm interested in... i just need a decent 4 channel card. |
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| 08:20.13 | Zoiah | ktd: don't use it? |
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| 08:20.17 | fatal__ | streuner: thanks for pointing out that.... but I ask again.... the original advisory mentioned 2.2 ... debian advisory doesn't ... I don't think that 2.2 was every at any risk.... but I'd like that confirmed.... do you know? |
| 08:20.21 | jm_ | ktd: no, copy as much as you can to some other disk NOW |
| 08:20.34 | ktd | i googled a lot, and most sites say, just do fsck -c and hope it's not dying too fast |
| 08:20.44 | jm_ | don't run fsck |
| 08:20.50 | SuperPhly | Zoiah: what did you use to test those drives? |
| 08:21.00 | SuperPhly | the throughput |
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| 08:21.06 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
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| 08:21.15 | SuperPhly | ah |
| 08:21.16 | SuperPhly | gotcha |
| 08:21.17 | SuperPhly | thx |
| 08:21.19 | ktd | jm_: ok, problem exists for about 3 weeks now - what's your opinion: how long will it take max? |
| 08:21.29 | jm_ | ktd: how long will what take ? |
| 08:21.34 | Zoiah | SuperPhly: it's not a really reliable test, but works for me if I'm in a hurry. |
| 08:21.36 | ktd | until it's crashing totally |
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| 08:21.46 | Zoiah | ktd: you can't say, can take an hour, can take hours. |
| 08:21.50 | jm_ | ktd: well other sectors might work forever but ... |
| 08:21.52 | jm_ | anyway off |
| 08:22.07 | ktd | ok thx people, will change hdd asap :) |
| 08:22.11 | Zoiah | ktd: I've seen hds developing like 10 bad sectors once, and then work fine for years. : |
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| 08:22.54 | p-man | god save us all from this hard drive madness |
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| 08:23.28 | p-man | that has plagued the world |
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| 08:28.27 | nosbig | Are the make-kpkg scripts working for the 2.6 series of kernels? |
| 08:28.59 | nosbig | I made a package and installed it, and it failed. I want to determine if it is the Debian scripts or if there is a bigger problem for me. |
| 08:29.12 | SuperPhly | Zoiah: yea, i'm getting 171mb/sec over 49, and 173 over 2.46 |
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| 08:29.27 | SuperPhly | that second # REALLY drops |
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| 08:31.27 | tub | how do I remove all files which were installed from zzz.deb file? dpkg -r says I must must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
| 08:31.53 | VynoM | did ya try dpkg -P ? |
| 08:31.59 | mechan0r | remove the version.deb part |
| 08:32.05 | protoloco_ | lsattr what is for ?' |
| 08:32.12 | protoloco_ | and the chattr |
| 08:32.18 | mechan0r | list capabilities |
| 08:32.23 | mechan0r | change capabilities |
| 08:32.29 | peterS | tub: dpkg -r zzz |
| 08:32.30 | tub | VynoM: no, trying no |
| 08:32.42 | tub | 2nd no = now |
| 08:32.48 | VynoM | wait |
| 08:32.53 | VynoM | sorry... I misread your ? |
| 08:32.55 | tub | ok |
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| 08:33.10 | Misirlou | VynoM: You misread his question mark? |
| 08:33.14 | VynoM | peterS has the right answer.... just read man page |
| 08:33.32 | mechan0r | flwm is bleedin sweet |
| 08:33.33 | VynoM | Misirlou no, I read the ? he asked too quickly while reading other stuff. |
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| 08:34.10 | Misirlou | Oh, I must have misread the . of yours. |
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| 08:35.06 | tub | peterS: that dpkg -r zzz.deb says that i must specify packages... bla bla bla... come in |
| 08:35.19 | peterS | tub: I didn't say zzz.deb. I said zzz. the package name. |
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| 08:37.11 | tub | peterS: now says that it isn't installed although I just installed it. |
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| 08:37.39 | peterS | tub: run 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii' to see a list of what you have installed. maybe that will jog your memory of what your package name is |
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| 08:40.03 | Misirlou | peterS: Out of sheer intrigue and respect, do you prefer dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic? |
| 08:40.37 | peterS | Misirlou: I use both dselect and apt-get. I would probably use aptitude if I didn't already know dselect so well |
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| 08:42.11 | tub | peterS: package name is kernel-image-2.6.0-1.0_rev.01_i386.deb but dpkg -r kernel-image-2.6.0-1.0_rev.01_i386 says it isn't installed |
| 08:42.30 | tub | and dpkg -l says kernel-image-2 rev.01 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.0- |
| 08:42.33 | peterS | tub: that is *not* the package name. that is the name of the file which contains the package |
| 08:42.55 | peterS | tub: the package will be kernel-image-2.6.0-1.0. take off everything after the first _ character, basically |
| 08:42.56 | streuner_ | tub: try aptg-get remove kernel-image-2.6.0 |
| 08:43.08 | streuner_ | s/aptg/apt/ |
| 08:43.15 | lord_rob | tub: using aptitude would ease things for you |
| 08:43.58 | tub | i don't have debian skills.. |
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| 08:44.26 | tub | but anyway, I let it be there. |
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| 08:47.21 | DBordello | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.17 | streuner | DBordello: edit XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:50.04 | bitserf | is there any way to kill a specific key on a keyboard (at a specific position) apart from opening it up? |
| 08:50.39 | DBordello | streuner, well, i use the same config for gnome and it works perfectly, so i doubt it is that |
| 08:50.42 | peterS | bitserf: edit /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 08:50.47 | thomas_adam | bitserf: man xmoamap |
| 08:50.56 | peterS | bitserf: just leave an empty definition for the key in question |
| 08:51.11 | peterS | bitserf: this is for console mode - listen to thomas_adam for XFree86 mode |
| 08:51.15 | bitserf | sweet |
| 08:51.28 | peterS | bitserf: although he means 'xmodmap' not 'xmoamap' (: |
| 08:51.31 | bitserf | someone made my alt key tiny and put \ right next to it :) |
| 08:51.48 | bitserf | hmm...if i could make it emit alt as well, that would rock |
| 08:51.51 | thomas_adam | peterS: <-- poor typist |
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| 08:52.03 | peterS | thomas_adam: yeah. I just didn't want bitserf wondering why he couldn't find the manpage (: |
| 08:52.08 | gravity | Um... that parsed like an insult :-) |
| 08:52.11 | thomas_adam | peterS: heh |
| 08:52.22 | thomas_adam | gravity: I've just woken up |
| 08:52.33 | peterS | gravity: I try not to take thomas_adam too seriously most of the time |
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| 08:52.44 | thomas_adam | peterS: ah. |
| 08:52.49 | g4lt | ~peterS |
| 08:52.52 | | well, peters is tired |
| 08:53.01 | peterS | apt, j00 rock |
| 08:53.05 | | peterS: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:53.10 | peterS | hehe |
| 08:53.17 | g4lt | ah, what happened to the bad typist factoid for you, peters |
| 08:53.27 | bitserf | peters: can somethign tell me the keycode for each key when i press it? |
| 08:53.36 | peterS | g4lt: I don't remember a bad typist factoid for me |
| 08:53.40 | thomas_adam | bitserf: use xkeycaps |
| 08:53.48 | peterS | bitserf: for console mode: showkey |
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| 08:53.58 | g4lt | peterS I'm prolly mixing you up then :( |
| 08:53.58 | peterS | bitserf: for XFree86: xev |
| 08:54.12 | bitserf | wow, helpful tonight! :) thanks! |
| 08:54.34 | thomas_adam | I still prefer xkeycaps |
| 08:54.51 | peterS | thomas_adam: I've never actually tried xkeycaps. people swear by it, I know |
| 08:55.02 | Zap-W | anyone can suggest a nice gtk2 or qt3 mpg123 player? |
| 08:55.07 | Zap-W | mp3 |
| 08:55.13 | thomas_adam | peterS: I swear by $SHELL, but yeah, it's not a bad program :) |
| 08:55.23 | mechan0r | beep-media-player |
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| 08:56.06 | Zap-W | mechan0r : is it packaged? |
| 08:56.11 | mechan0r | yes it is |
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| 08:56.15 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: I use rox-filet |
| 08:56.20 | Zap-W | what's the name of the deb package |
| 08:56.25 | thomas_adam | s/filet/filer/ |
| 08:56.28 | mechan0r | you use rox you rule dude |
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| 08:56.56 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: I also help develop it ;) |
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| 08:57.16 | gravity | Apparently it's very hard to package for Debian |
| 08:57.23 | Zap-W | mechan0r : it isn't in sarge |
| 08:57.24 | gravity | Many have tried, and many have failed |
| 08:57.25 | mechan0r | I think zeroInstall coulbe made into a Debian binary install frontend |
| 08:57.37 | peterS | gravity: what - written in modula 3 or something, like cvsup? |
| 08:57.40 | g4lt | gravity many have tried, and many have died ;P |
| 08:57.49 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: It's quite nifty, aye. |
| 08:58.00 | gravity | peterS: No, it's got it's own wacked ass install/build system |
| 08:58.07 | peterS | ah. the openoffice.org subspecies of package. |
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| 08:58.12 | gravity | g4lt: Including me, briefly :-) |
| 08:58.13 | xerophyte | what is missing from AIDE which is privide with Tripwire .. |
| 08:58.18 | Whizziwig | ok ... why am I havign no luck getting 2.6 to work? I've compiled in support for my scsi card (sym53cxxx, works fine in 2.4.x) but it doesn't get initialized and it doens't see the drives, so it kernel panics when trying to mount root, also, I can't scroll around the kenrle messages to 100% verify this because the keybaord seems to not work at all -- thoughts? |
| 08:58.24 | peterS | xerophyte: a non-free license? |
| 08:58.30 | g4lt | gravity you look good for a dead man ;P |
| 08:58.36 | xerophyte | peterS other than that |
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| 08:59.01 | xerophyte | peterS which is good to install tripwire or AIDE i read debian servers use AID |
| 08:59.02 | MrEntropy | when i select a package to install in dselect and it has unmet dependencie it marks them up for download too, the packages are kept in some form of a cache of "to be installed" that i can enter dselect and hit 'install' and it will continue. how do i clear this cache? |
| 08:59.10 | peterS | gravity: you should join one of the bsd core teams. they're dead too |
| 08:59.14 | thomas_adam | MrEntropy: dselect!!!! |
| 08:59.20 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 08:59.29 | thomas_adam | MrEntropy: apt-get install aptitude |
| 08:59.29 | mechan0r | APTITUDE! |
| 08:59.34 | MrEntropy | i got aptitude |
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| 08:59.48 | g4lt | ar -x!!!! |
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| 08:59.50 | thomas_adam | MrEntropy: well then! dselect is considered deprecated |
| 08:59.53 | gravity | Hehe |
| 08:59.54 | peterS | xerophyte: I have no idea. I would use aide because it's in Debian so I know it's likely to be packaged well |
| 09:00.00 | gravity | thomas_adam: Not really |
| 09:00.11 | deadcat | peterS: nah. those freebsd dudes were at the mac world selling cds today (= |
| 09:00.11 | gnomer | what is the best way to complete xfree86 incomplete upgrade? |
| 09:00.12 | peterS | thomas_adam: any time someone claims that, tell him 'dpkg --help | tail -1' |
| 09:00.19 | gravity | dselect gets a far worse rap than it deserves |
| 09:00.35 | peterS | agreed |
| 09:00.38 | thomas_adam | peterS: heh |
| 09:00.38 | gravity | peterS: Nice trick :-) |
| 09:00.48 | g4lt | gravity that's a tall order, a worse rap than dselect deserves ;P |
| 09:00.56 | gravity | Hahaha |
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| 09:01.01 | peterS | g4lt: and yet it happens |
| 09:01.14 | gravity | boot-floppies gets the same treatment, although it's far more deserving, I have to admit |
| 09:01.20 | mechan0r | gravity the bloomin thing stops int the middle of what you're doing to pen the deadly dependencies screen people are sick of seeing the just put a b for broken and be done with it |
| 09:01.29 | gravity | Although, the scale of what's considered "hard" has slid so far down, I can't believe it any more |
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| 09:01.51 | gravity | mechan0r: You just sort through your shit and then you're done. It's not that bad. |
| 09:01.57 | peterS | gravity: the problem with boot-floppies is that it had two groups of people who hated it. (1) end-users who hadn't got used to it yet and thought it was "too hard", and (2) developers who had to hack on it |
| 09:01.58 | gravity | mechan0r: It just forces you to do it right away |
| 09:02.03 | peterS | gravity: only those of us in the middle liked it |
| 09:02.13 | arturaz | hi. just installed debian sid kde and can't see any debian menus :) |
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| 09:02.15 | arturaz | even xmms || gnome |
| 09:02.18 | gravity | peterS: Yeah, although I can't say anyone really "liked" it :-) |
| 09:02.19 | mechan0r | I can get it done better when I chose those packages anyway later |
| 09:02.20 | arturaz | or xchat |
| 09:02.23 | arturaz | what i should do? |
| 09:02.27 | g4lt | gravity my "hard" comes fromdselect on bo on a 386 with 4 meg of memory... |
| 09:02.30 | gravity | peterS: Got familiar with it. Like an old stench |
| 09:02.35 | thomas_adam | arturaz: update-menus |
| 09:02.38 | peterS | gravity: I did. it works great for my purposes. but I do appreciate how crufty it is to hack on |
| 09:02.51 | gravity | g4lt: Damn. You beat me. I was on slink first, with dselect too though |
| 09:03.08 | gnomer | what is the best way to complete xfree86 incomplete upgrade? |
| 09:03.08 | gravity | peterS: Me too. d-i is much nicer in that regard, as the progress it's been having lately shows |
| 09:03.11 | arturaz | thomas_adam, same |
| 09:03.11 | MrEntropy | ok, still my question goes unanswered...aptitude uses the same "to be installed"/"pending operations" cache as dselect, any way to clear this in one go? |
| 09:03.24 | arturaz | no synaptic either :) |
| 09:03.39 | mechan0r | dselect on a 68030 Amiga 3000 with 10M of RAM is such apleasure not |
| 09:03.42 | thomas_adam | arturaz: menu is really dependant on the package maintainer releasing a valid entry for it -- some don't |
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| 09:03.55 | arturaz | well in flux it's there X] |
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| 09:04.02 | peterS | MrEntropy: I don't know but I'm guessing its pending operations cache is in /var/lib/aptitude |
| 09:04.26 | peterS | MrEntropy: the dselect pending operations cache is, I believe, /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:04.38 | g4lt | mechan0r bah! you kids got it easy now |
| 09:04.39 | peterS | MrEntropy: the latter is regularly backed up by the system to /var/backups/ |
| 09:04.40 | mechan0r | what scared the frig out of me was how fast X was on the Amiga |
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| 09:05.02 | MrEntropy | ok, thank you...i'll check it out |
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| 09:05.10 | Zap-W | mechan0r : where did you get beep-media-player from |
| 09:05.23 | gravity | Oh! I need to grab that! |
| 09:05.26 | mechan0r | debian I use sid |
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| 09:05.47 | gravity | mechan0r: How do you like it compared to xmms? |
| 09:06.23 | peterS | gravity: remember, if your gripe with xmms is the track shuffling, it's NOT MY FAULT (: |
| 09:06.34 | cromd | i know this is going to seem a niaive question but i keep getting conflicting reports, does anybody (and i'm not limiting it to this channel) know when the next stable release will occur? |
| 09:06.47 | gravity | peterS: :-) Nah, xmms is still gtk1, where beep is a fork of it that uses gtk2 |
| 09:06.49 | mechan0r | quite nice the interface isn't all over the screen |
| 09:06.56 | peterS | !sarge pool |
| 09:06.57 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 09:07.00 | peterS | cromd: ^^^ |
| 09:07.14 | debian | cromd: wir |
| 09:07.16 | cromd | LOL ... |
| 09:07.26 | VynoM | !sarge bet |
| 09:07.27 | dpkg | "sarge pool" has overflowed so use "sarge pool 2". To add a bet to the sarge pool: !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 09:07.31 | peterS | cromd: since you're asking, I think it will be out on 2004-05-01, as you can see above. |
| 09:07.42 | peterS | !sarge pool 2 |
| 09:07.42 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 09:07.47 | VynoM | !sarge pool 2 = 2004-04-16 |
| 09:07.51 | VynoM | hehe |
| 09:07.52 | cromd | i was kind of hoping around late march, but what are the real issues involved in wrapping it up? |
| 09:07.55 | gravity | cromd: There's murmurings of "soon now". The installer is in good shape, and packages seem to be moving in to testing pretty well. Hopefully within two months or so |
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| 09:08.07 | simonrvn | peterS: no, 2.6.1-rc2 didn't have the mremap fix |
| 09:08.14 | mechan0r | !sarge pool 2 =~ mechan0r=WHFO |
| 09:08.17 | simonrvn | i just pasted it into my trees now |
| 09:08.18 | VynoM | !sarge pool 2 = 2004/04/16 |
| 09:08.25 | peterS | simonrvn: it didn't? |
| 09:08.29 | streuner | simonrvn: fine ;-) |
| 09:08.35 | debian | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! debian=2005-01-01 |
| 09:08.40 | streuner | Linux cnusper 2.6.1-rc2 #1 Tue Jan 6 13:58:28 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:08.45 | simonrvn | http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.4/diffs/mm/mremap.c@1.7?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-2w|cset@1.1136.92.4 |
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| 09:09.01 | peterS | simonrvn: http://lwn.net/Articles/65111/ |
| 09:09.04 | cromd | is anybody here on the team? |
| 09:09.11 | peterS | simonrvn: that's where I got my information from. Jon Corbet could be mistaken. |
| 09:09.12 | mechan0r | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! mechan0r=WHFO |
| 09:09.13 | Capkirk | which editors are there in a default debian installation besides vi? |
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| 09:09.28 | simonrvn | oh, my bad :) |
| 09:09.28 | peterS | mechan0r: you need a / at the end |
| 09:09.28 | mechan0r | vi is not in a default debian installation |
| 09:09.30 | zamolxes | hmm.. why don't i have fsck.vfat ? .. |
| 09:09.31 | gravity | Capkirk: nano |
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| 09:09.34 | mechan0r | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! mechan0r=WHFO/ |
| 09:09.34 | dpkg | mechan0r: OK |
| 09:09.37 | peterS | XaMaD: install 'dosfstools' |
| 09:09.38 | cromd | Capkirk, you might be mistaken there |
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| 09:09.45 | peterS | zamolxes: install 'dosfstools' |
| 09:09.56 | zamolxes | ok |
| 09:09.58 | zamolxes | thanks |
| 09:10.13 | peterS | !sarge pool 2 |
| 09:10.14 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! mechan0r=WHFO zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 09:10.24 | gravity | Whoa. beep-media-player refuses to start. |
| 09:10.25 | cromd | what are the stakes? :) |
| 09:10.27 | gravity | No errors, no nothing |
| 09:10.30 | VynoM | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! VynoM=2004-04-16 |
| 09:10.34 | peterS | cromd: none, of course |
| 09:10.43 | peterS | VynoM: you need a trailing / as well |
| 09:10.44 | cromd | blast ... anyone want to chip in? |
| 09:10.51 | nicolade | Hi! I'm using debian unstable and if I want to install something via apt-get I get this error: tar: ./postinst: Cannot open: No space left on device |
| 09:10.57 | VynoM | whoops... hehe |
| 09:11.01 | VynoM | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! VynoM=2004-04-16/ |
| 09:11.02 | dpkg | OK, VynoM |
| 09:11.10 | mechan0r | nicolade you filled up / |
| 09:11.22 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 = When_aj_Says_So |
| 09:11.28 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 |
| 09:11.28 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! VynoM=2004-04-16 mechan0r=WHFO zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 09:11.32 | nicolade | mechan0r: but if I do: $ df I see /dev/hde2 14418352 11938220 1747720 88% / |
| 09:11.39 | cromd | nicolade, do you have an extra hard drive you can add to your system? Or some logs and old .deb files you can remove, or something like that? |
| 09:11.44 | peterS | gravity: that's why aj had better not place a side bet (: |
| 09:11.49 | gravity | Hehe |
| 09:12.07 | mbc | nicholas_: try df -h ... it gives you a better overview... |
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| 09:12.27 | mechan0r | cromd can you tell me how to have < 700M w/ X xchat emacs nano and flwm installed |
| 09:12.28 | nicolade | mbc: /dev/hde2 14G 12G 1.7G 88% / |
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| 09:12.54 | nicolade | cromd: yes, I have an extra harddrive and I guess I've a lots of old .debs too. |
| 09:13.04 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! gravity=when_aj_says_so |
| 09:13.06 | mechan0r | apt-get autoclean |
| 09:13.16 | nicolade | mechan0r: thanks |
| 09:13.18 | mechan0r | gravity you need a / at the end |
| 09:13.18 | tomf | I got a problem building a sarge dvd with jigdo. jigdo is searching for packages which don't exist on any server. It seems that the .jigdo and .template files I found are too old although they are only a couple of days old... |
| 09:13.19 | peterS | gravity: you're the third person in a row to forget the trailing / |
| 09:13.22 | caphuso | gravity: that's cheating! |
| 09:13.25 | gravity | Fuck |
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| 09:13.29 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! gravity=when_aj_says_so/ |
| 09:13.29 | dpkg | gravity: OK |
| 09:13.34 | gravity | !sarge pool 2 |
| 09:13.34 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=2004-04-16 mechan0r=WHFO zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 09:13.39 | gravity | I WIN! |
| 09:13.51 | cromd | nicolade, you can always get the old .debs back again, maybe burn some of your personal stuff to CD, that kind of thing, if that doesn't clear enough space i'll walk you through adding an hard drive |
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| 09:13.56 | peterS | gravity: I'm usurping aj's position as release manager, effective immediately. sorry, you lose |
| 09:14.01 | gravity | Fuck |
| 09:14.01 | mechan0r | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so/ |
| 09:14.02 | dpkg | OK, mechan0r |
| 09:14.09 | caphuso | gravity: not if i add caphuso=WIR, then it's a draw between us and we get to share the beers :-) |
| 09:14.13 | peterS | mechan0r: you already bet |
| 09:14.13 | cromd | mechan0r, sorry, i'm lost in the jargon, could you put that a little more simply? |
| 09:14.14 | gravity | Ugh... no thanks. I'll pass on the job. |
| 09:14.19 | gravity | I don't have aj's brass balls |
| 09:14.27 | gravity | caphuso: Fine with me :-) |
| 09:14.36 | streuner | simonrvn: the URL you pasted are clearly pointed to 2.4 kernels, how come? |
| 09:14.42 | mechan0r | cromd I have X emacs nano and flwm yet it's using up 700M |
| 09:15.00 | g4lt | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time)/ |
| 09:15.01 | dpkg | OK, g4lt |
| 09:15.03 | cromd | allright, mechan0r, you've got me stumped ... is that all you've got installed? |
| 09:15.32 | mechan0r | Firebird also let me check the menus |
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| 09:15.49 | mechan0r | and xchat |
| 09:15.53 | gravity | Damn pessimists |
| 09:15.55 | nicolade | mechan0r: I've done that. it deleted many old .debs, but I still get this error messages if I want to install something. Any further suggestions? |
| 09:15.56 | mechan0r | the rest are deps |
| 09:16.32 | mechan0r | is /tmp separate |
| 09:16.43 | caphuso | or n, then a number, then s if you play with the numberpad |
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| 09:17.08 | cromd | mechan0r, if it should really be as simple a setup as you say, i'd be inclined to scrub and do it again, i've picked a few wrong options here and there and ended up a lot more than i expected ... say, have you done a -l on dpkg? |
| 09:17.10 | tomf | has anybody build a sarge dvd with jigdo during the last days? |
| 09:17.11 | simonrvn | streuner: oh. i thought it was for 2.6... |
| 09:17.23 | gravity | Wow. beep-media-player really just fails. No nothing |
| 09:17.31 | peterS | gravity: not even a beep? |
| 09:17.37 | gravity | Heh |
| 09:17.39 | gravity | Sadly, no |
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| 09:17.44 | Zap-W | gravity : what happened? |
| 09:17.47 | peterS | one would think they could at least get *that* much |
| 09:17.51 | Zap-W | gravity : it isn't working? |
| 09:17.57 | gravity | Zap-W: I installed it, and nothing happens |
| 09:17.59 | nicolade | mechan0r: /tmp is separate, yes. (it is filled with %2 of data) |
| 09:18.00 | gravity | No error, no nothing |
| 09:18.09 | Zap-W | gravity : from sid ? |
| 09:18.13 | gravity | Yeah |
| 09:18.17 | gravity | Zap-W: It's not in anything else |
| 09:18.27 | chimaera | i have problems running nicotine, all server actions are greyed out.. |
| 09:18.29 | Whizziwig | ./j #linuxhelp |
| 09:19.23 | Whizziwig | feel like giving me some 2.6 kernel helper? |
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| 09:20.12 | nicolade | cromd: thanks for that offer, but I guess the problem might be another one than "too less space left", because df shows no partition with less than 10% of space left. |
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| 09:21.05 | simonrvn | @tell Whizziwig about ask |
| 09:21.06 | cromd | nicolade, what package/s are you trying to install? |
| 09:21.21 | Whizziwig | I did ask |
| 09:21.24 | simonrvn | Whizziwig: go to a kernel channel, like #kernelnewbies or something |
| 09:21.34 | simonrvn | Whizziwig: read what the bot told you |
| 09:21.36 | nicolade | cromd: valgrind, but I tried to install two other packages -- I got the same error message. |
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| 09:22.03 | nicolade | cromd: And yesterday everything worked fine - as usual. |
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| 09:22.19 | cromd | nicolade, have you tried untarring manually? |
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| 09:23.07 | nicolade | cromd: no (didn't know that) |
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| 09:23.45 | troubled | cromd... |
| 09:23.53 | cromd | nicolade, or maybe another approach, trying doing the dpkg yourself? |
| 09:23.54 | nicolade | cromd: I tried "apt-get update" I got: "Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages - open (28 No space left on device) [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]" |
| 09:24.00 | troubled | cromd: how goes the mail servers? |
| 09:24.19 | SlayerXP | nicolade: "No space left on device" is a clue. |
| 09:24.38 | hramrach | Is there some simple way how a deb can be created from installed package? |
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| 09:24.45 | nicolade | SlayerXP: what clue? df says there is a lot of free space available! |
| 09:24.57 | SlayerXP | nicolade: what does 'df -i' say? |
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| 09:25.30 | cromd | troubled, Greetings :) and thanks for your concern ... i've got the mail servers working fine thanks, but for some reason the charity's IMAP client can only see them, can't send from them ... still looking into that ... need to wrap my head around Outlook 2000 so i suppose i've bitten off more than i can chew :) |
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| 09:26.01 | troubled | cromd: cant send? what do the logs say? |
| 09:26.08 | nicolade | SlayerXP: ? that says something completly different from df -h (which I tried). With -i I see that there is no space on /var available... :-( |
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| 09:26.25 | thomas_adam | nicolade: yep |
| 09:26.32 | simonrvn | nicolade: -i is inodes |
| 09:26.35 | SlayerXP | nicolade: you're out of inodes. have you run "apt-get clean" recently? |
| 09:26.55 | cromd | sorry nicolade, that's beyond my capabilities (admittedly limited :) ... i wish i could help you ... good luck |
| 09:27.14 | simonrvn | "run out of inodes? no such thing, we make them on the fly" |
| 09:27.15 | nicolade | SlayerXP: someone here mentioned some minutes ago that I should run "apt-get autoclean" I've done that and it deleted many files. |
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| 09:27.27 | SlayerXP | nicolade: "clean" not "autoclean" |
| 09:27.28 | cromd | troubled: no errors on the exim logs, only error messages spewed out by her IMAP client |
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| 09:27.41 | nicolade | cromd: thank you for trying to help me! |
| 09:27.54 | nicolade | SlayerXP: is running! |
| 09:28.00 | skiy | Can someone suggest to me a good 4 channel raid card which has open source drivers for linux ? |
| 09:28.07 | troubled | cromd: odd, im sure its something simple. surprised they cant send though |
| 09:28.12 | SlayerXP | skiy: anything from 3ware |
| 09:28.21 | Yahya | does anyone know a bash tutorial? |
| 09:28.30 | troubled | Yahya: man bash :) |
| 09:28.30 | SlayerXP | Yahya: google does. |
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| 09:28.40 | simonrvn | Yahya: advanced bash scripting howto at www.tldp.org |
| 09:28.56 | thomas_adam | Yahya: http://linuxgazette.net/issue57/okopnik.html |
| 09:29.09 | cromd | troubled, i know this is an embarassing question, but do you have a windows IMAP client? Say Outlook Express or Outlook 2000 ... i'd do it myself but unfortunately everything works here :) |
| 09:29.14 | nicolade | SlayerXP: apt-get clean has finished, but df -i still shows "/var 100%"... |
| 09:29.18 | skiy | SlayerXP thanks, I hope they do SATA versionw |
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| 09:29.35 | troubled | cromd: i have outlook express yes |
| 09:29.38 | SlayerXP | nicolade: then you'll need to use 'du' to work out what's taking up the space. |
| 09:30.05 | cromd | troubled: in that case, would you mind going to the trouble of setting up an account on my mail server, see what happens for you? |
| 09:30.17 | streuner | skiy: those issues were discussed often in the mailing-list of debian-isp... |
| 09:30.21 | troubled | cromd: sure. /msg me |
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| 09:30.35 | cromd | thanking thee troubled :) |
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| 09:30.38 | systems | does debian have anything like netbsd's pkgviews |
| 09:30.42 | streuner | skiy: archive is avaiable, i think. |
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| 09:31.30 | skiy | yeah just looking at 3ware cards. very expensive. I tried to get a highpoint 4 channel sata but not sure if their drivers are open |
| 09:31.33 | nicolade | SlayerXP: Hmm, I've leafnode installed -- maybe thats the reason -- it stores a lot of files on my disk.. |
| 09:31.44 | simonrvn | systems: some of us are clueless as to netbsd, so you,re going to have to explain yourself further |
| 09:31.47 | SlayerXP | nicolade: that's quite likely. |
| 09:32.03 | streuner | skiy: uhm, specially for highpoint you got a bad echo in debian-isp |
| 09:32.15 | simonrvn | oh boy. i hope leafnode isn't on a desktop machine.. |
| 09:32.44 | Yahya | what is command to cancel looking at man pages under a bash shell? |
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| 09:32.47 | systems | simonrvn: http://bsd.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/06/2031232 "This framework, finally allowing multiple versions of one package to co-exist without conflicts (among other great features)" |
| 09:32.55 | SlayerXP | skiy: if it costs less than a few hundred pounds, it's most likely not a real hardware raid controller |
| 09:32.57 | skiy | streuner heh, good job scan are out of stock then |
| 09:33.13 | simonrvn | systems: eh, why would you need that? |
| 09:33.24 | nicolade | SlayerXP: I'll try to run "texpire". Thank you very much for help! :) |
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| 09:33.32 | SlayerXP | nicolade: np |
| 09:33.48 | thomas_adam | Yahya: 'q' |
| 09:33.54 | systems | simonrvn: well, some packages are not backward compatible, that is always a problem |
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| 09:34.30 | irvken | what's the main mailing list for debian newbie questions? |
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| 09:34.41 | simonrvn | systems: yes, and? do you have a point? you're not making yourself very clear |
| 09:34.52 | simonrvn | irvken: debian-user |
| 09:34.52 | streuner | irvken: guess, debian-user |
| 09:34.56 | JoePenguin | irvken: debian-user, but that doesn't mean you can post there without reading any documentation |
| 09:35.01 | skiy | SlayerXP yeah I look at screenshots for 3ware and highpoint cards and there is hardly any hardware on highpoint cards |
| 09:35.02 | mechan0r | ever since the XFree86 team disbanded X is now in a billion little packagelets |
| 09:35.15 | skiy | SlayerXP those 3ware cards look absolutely beastly though |
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| 09:35.26 | Mr_butler | hi |
| 09:35.27 | skiy | beastly = good |
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| 09:35.54 | debian | What is .shtml? |
| 09:35.58 | SlayerXP | skiy: they are _lovely_ pieces of kit. |
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| 09:36.03 | thomas_adam | debian: secure htmol |
| 09:36.07 | Capkirk | which package to install to compile kernels the debian way? |
| 09:36.09 | streuner | debian: heh |
| 09:36.09 | Mr_butler | debian; secure html |
| 09:36.09 | thomas_adam | s/htmol/html/ |
| 09:36.22 | simonrvn | eh, no. |
| 09:36.28 | streuner | server side |
| 09:36.31 | simonrvn | server-parsed html |
| 09:36.40 | simonrvn | as in SSI |
| 09:36.48 | streuner | a few more options |
| 09:36.57 | simonrvn | yeh, but you got the idea |
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| 09:37.25 | simonrvn | HTTPS would be secure |
| 09:37.27 | skiy | and highpoints 'data sheet' reads more like a brochure |
| 09:37.34 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:37.35 | Zap-W | what is gawk |
| 09:37.45 | simonrvn | a sister to awk and mawk |
| 09:37.50 | streuner | Zap-W: (g)awk |
| 09:38.08 | streuner | !info gawk |
| 09:38.11 | dpkg | gawk: (GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing language), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1:3.1.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 850 kB, Installed size: 1856 kB |
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| 09:38.27 | Yahya | how do I change defauly editor to pico under bash? |
| 09:38.41 | thomas_adam | Yahya: export EDITOR=foo |
| 09:38.44 | Jamie | im compiling a kernel from scratch, ive finished selecting options in make menuconfig, is there somewhere i can go for a walk through on what to do next |
| 09:38.51 | mechan0r | there is no pico there is only nanoZool |
| 09:38.52 | Mr_butler | Yahya; try setting $EDITOR to pico |
| 09:38.56 | mechan0r | er nano even |
| 09:39.02 | streuner | Jamie: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:39.10 | streuner | Jamie: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 09:39.27 | mechan0r | update-alternative --config all |
| 09:39.30 | mechan0r | er |
| 09:39.33 | mechan0r | update-alternatives --config all |
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| 09:40.21 | Mr_butler | Does anybody know of any Bill gates bashing sites? |
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| 09:41.44 | Yahya | Mr_butler : use winblows and play the billagotchi |
| 09:42.02 | Mr_butler | Yahya; he he |
| 09:42.27 | g4lt | Mr_butler localhost, when you play xbill..;P |
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| 09:43.07 | PlayaX | :) |
| 09:43.15 | Mr_butler | g4lt; I was looking for jokes |
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| 09:44.02 | Mr_butler | I have got a friend who is a bill gates fanatic. I just wanted to needle him :) |
| 09:44.03 | g4lt | I thought you wanted to bash bill like whack-a-mole |
| 09:45.37 | Mr_butler | g4lt; i know about xbill. a good game to throw away your valuable time ;) |
| 09:45.38 | chimaera | i have problems running nicotine, all server actions are greyed out. any ideas? |
| 09:45.44 | Yahya | there is a billagotchi on microshaft winblows and you feed him money and spank him when he misbehaves. |
| 09:45.57 | Mr_butler | chimaera; what is nicotine? |
| 09:46.19 | Yahya | how do i edit DNS settings on Bash |
| 09:46.23 | Mr_butler | Yahya; got any links? |
| 09:46.32 | caphuso | Yahya: same way you do it in any shell... |
| 09:46.47 | Yahya | this I dont know |
| 09:46.57 | SlayerXP | Yahya: then try a linux newbie guide. |
| 09:47.12 | caphuso | Yahya: and we don't know what you mean with "DNS settings", so that works out nicely... nobody has any clue what the other is talking about |
| 09:47.14 | Yahya | im using a shell account sorry |
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| 09:47.27 | chimaera | Mr_butler: a soulseek client |
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| 09:48.15 | Mr_butler | chimaera; what is a soulseek client? something like xchat? |
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| 09:48.54 | chimaera | Mr_butler: soulseek is a p2p-network |
| 09:49.00 | simonrvn | Yahya: you need to read a linux newbie guide, seriously |
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| 09:49.29 | thomas_adam | Yahya: if you didn't know how to quit a manpage.... |
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| 09:49.59 | patter | has anyone had problems building kernel 2.4.23 with kernel-package? |
| 09:50.03 | hwnd | how do I update to sid? |
| 09:50.11 | caphuso | hwnd: you don't, if you have to ask |
| 09:50.14 | simonrvn | @sarge->sid |
| 09:50.18 | Mr_butler | chimaera; you mean a software to share files like mp3 etc? |
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| 09:50.19 | thomas_adam | hwnd: /msg apt flavour->sid |
| 09:50.33 | chimaera | hwnd: asking this question, you shouldn't d it ;) |
| 09:50.41 | Piru | patter, no pbs here. I didn't use initrd tho. why .23? wouldn't .24 make more sense? |
| 09:50.43 | hwnd | apt-get dist-update? |
| 09:50.47 | hwnd | I dont remember the way |
| 09:50.51 | chimaera | Mr_butler: yes.. |
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| 09:51.02 | caphuso | hwnd: yeah, exactly. just invent random apt-get commands, that will surely work |
| 09:51.06 | thomas_adam | hwnd: I seriously wouldnt be using sid, if you're asking these rather dumb questions |
| 09:51.12 | hwnd | mm |
| 09:51.22 | p-man | I get unresolved symbols when I do depmod -a |
| 09:51.27 | p-man | on all my modules |
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| 09:51.28 | thomas_adam | p-man: module-init-tools |
| 09:51.29 | hwnd | is sid more stable or less than gentoo?? |
| 09:51.35 | thomas_adam | p-man: install that |
| 09:51.41 | p-man | ok |
| 09:51.45 | hwnd | I want an up to date distro... I dont like woody |
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| 09:51.47 | caphuso | hwnd: hard to compare |
| 09:51.48 | baf | hi |
| 09:51.53 | chimaera | hwnd: somehow not compareable.. |
| 09:52.05 | caphuso | they're too different |
| 09:52.16 | hwnd | but is easy to answer |
| 09:52.30 | hwnd | I dont want a comparasion |
| 09:52.31 | caphuso | hwnd: indeed. the answer is a simple "you can't really compare it" |
| 09:52.32 | Mr_butler | Linux, DOS, Windows NT -- The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly |
| 09:52.40 | chimaera | hwnd: is it? so why are you asking? |
| 09:52.46 | hwnd | it is stabler that or it isnt |
| 09:53.02 | thomas_adam | hwnd: more recent versions of packages |
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| 09:53.05 | caphuso | hwnd: again, you can't just say one is more stable than the other |
| 09:53.09 | hwnd | sid is stabler than windows... and are not comparable |
| 09:53.11 | caphuso | hwnd: is that so hard to understand? |
| 09:53.20 | baf | guys I want to use dhaclient as one ifconfigurator, i have defined static lease, to work on non DHCP networks, but it uses it randomly. static lease is defined in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 09:53.38 | streuner | hwnd: how you even can compare that (objectiv)? |
| 09:53.50 | baf | mostly writes me, that no static leases were defined |
| 09:53.59 | chimaera | hwnd: you're talking strange stuff.. sid is not mor stable than wintendo xp, but anyhow.. go install gentoo and compare for yourself.. |
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| 09:53.59 | hwnd | streuner, I dont... linux gurus say that |
| 09:54.08 | baf | dhclient is SID up-to-date |
| 09:54.38 | streuner | hwnd: in uptime? well, if you running almost nothing on it, you will get higher uptime then |
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| 09:55.01 | chimaera | hwnd: maybe you should get an own opinion by doing, not re-brabling what the 'gurus' say.. |
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| 09:55.27 | hwnd | I am not a guru... I just follow leaders opinion |
| 09:55.46 | Piru | scary |
| 09:55.53 | hwnd | and they say linux is better |
| 09:55.55 | hwnd | than windows |
| 09:56.04 | caphuso | it's not. it's different |
| 09:56.06 | chimaera | hwnd: it looks like. i wouldn't be to proud of this.. |
| 09:56.19 | thomas_adam | hwnd: you mean you're a lamb, following the flock.... |
| 09:56.25 | hwnd | yeah you got it |
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| 09:56.35 | Piru | hwnd, first of all there is no such thing is "better" in general. there are tasks, and some OSes and applications are better for the job than others. |
| 09:56.41 | thomas_adam | rofl |
| 09:56.43 | hwnd | I am a lamb... but I would too if I used windows |
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| 09:56.53 | thomas_adam | hwnd: stop trolling |
| 09:57.03 | hwnd | mm |
| 09:57.04 | caphuso | wow, thomas_adam and i agree |
| 09:57.08 | patter | Piru: .24 would make more sense, but I need ton install patches which are current with .23 |
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| 09:57.15 | hwnd | so there is no answer |
| 09:57.16 | thomas_adam | caphuso: historic! |
| 09:57.18 | Piru | patter, ah, I see. |
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| 09:57.21 | chimaera | hwnd: shittalk.. l337 opinions from a lee7 mind *SCNR* |
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| 09:57.37 | patter | the kernel-package scripts give an error about version 2.4.23 bein non-lowercase, and bail out |
| 09:57.39 | Piru | hwnd, you should just install that windows ;-) |
| 09:58.06 | hwnd | patter, I think that patch will work with .24 too... they havent changed too much at all... just fix memory map bug |
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| 09:58.22 | caphuso | they also fixed the rtc bug, and two other things, IIRC |
| 09:58.44 | caphuso | three other things |
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| 09:58.59 | hwnd | yeah not too much to affect his patches I guess |
| 09:59.27 | patter | I'll give it a try, the patch I'm trying to run is badram |
| 09:59.31 | dasunt | Has anyone tried writing a bridge between, oh, say /home/~/mbox as a fifo and a Maildir backend? |
| 09:59.50 | caphuso | dasunt: that's sick |
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| 09:59.55 | p-man | thomas_adam: ok got it installed |
| 09:59.55 | caphuso | why would you want to do that? |
| 10:00.43 | dasunt | caphuso: So that the mail system can deliver to /home/~/$MAILDIR like its supposed to and apps that watch /home/~/mbox for new messages won't need to be recoded. |
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| 10:01.15 | tessier_ | What sort of mail app can't be configured to look for it's mail wherever you want? |
| 10:01.42 | patter | dasunt: maybe you could do something interesting with procmail |
| 10:01.48 | dasunt | tessier_: Right now, using rclock as a dockapp which changes colors when I have mail. Don't think that understands maildir. |
| 10:02.00 | caphuso | dasunt: you could easily do that with procmail... deliver to ~/Maildir and carbon-copy to ~/mbox, which you empty out before delivering into it |
| 10:02.15 | dasunt | caphuso: Hmmm, that might be a better idea. |
| 10:02.44 | caphuso | dasunt: that assumes that all you want is a notification that you have new mail and no details about them |
| 10:03.35 | coltrane | how can i know wich release of debian i'm on? |
| 10:03.56 | SlayerXP | coltrane: /etc/debian_version |
| 10:04.07 | coltrane | thx SlayerXP |
| 10:04.22 | caphuso | it'll somewhat slow down the delivering process because you have to use a lock despite of using maildir, but that's not too severe unless you get a huge amount of new mails |
| 10:04.34 | coltrane | SlayerXP: there's only 3.0 |
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| 10:04.46 | coltrane | i want to know which release it is |
| 10:04.55 | thomas_adam | coltrane: less /etc/issue |
| 10:05.06 | thomas_adam | coltrane: SlayerXP just told you, ffs |
| 10:05.15 | streuner | coltrane: if you uncomment security.debian.org in sources.list you have always the latest stuff |
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| 10:05.57 | caphuso | coltrane: all you need to know is the 3.0. the r2 etc. are only important for the CD set |
| 10:06.18 | coltrane | yes caphuso |
| 10:06.35 | dasunt | caphuso: Hmmmm. |
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| 10:06.45 | coltrane | i want to know wich release i got on CD, a friend just give me his cd |
| 10:06.50 | dasunt | caphuso: rclock is good enough for an alert. Perhaps bash understands Maildir. |
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| 10:07.17 | PixyStyx | anyone have a hauppauge wintv remote control working with lirc and linux 2.6.0? |
| 10:07.22 | caphuso | coltrane: do you have internet connection on the box you plan to install from? |
| 10:07.30 | coltrane | yes |
| 10:07.56 | caphuso | coltrane: good, then it doesn't matter at all. install, get the security updates available from security.d.o and you'll be set |
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| 10:09.16 | coltrane | caphuso: right but i was wondering if i download the r2 for myself as i will have to give my friend's cd back or if i just burn his cds |
| 10:11.40 | p-man | how is module-init-toolscgonna help me versus modutils |
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| 10:12.46 | caphuso | coltrane: burn his CD and download the update CD |
| 10:13.28 | coltrane | caphuso: k thx ;p |
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| 10:15.00 | coltrane | i have another question : what are the difference between cd1 and cd1 NONUS ? language i presume but is there other differences? |
| 10:15.20 | jm_ | no it's not language |
| 10:15.21 | caphuso | coltrane: language is the same, the nonus CD contains a few more crypto-related packages |
| 10:15.22 | whlwc | hi, i just installed debian with fluxbox. I was wondering on how to find out the refresh rate I'm currently working on (My monitor supports 115x864@75Hz, I just need to make sure I'm at 75Hz instead of 60) |
| 10:16.15 | coltrane | caphuso: ok thx again |
| 10:16.15 | jm_ | whlwc: xvidtune |
| 10:16.15 | jm_ | whlwc: or use monitor's on-screen menus |
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| 10:16.48 | w00ter | coltrane: yeh mostly crypto export issues |
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| 10:20.13 | whlwc | jm_: the value that represents the refresh rate i'm looking for should be the vertical sync right? |
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| 10:20.25 | keyz | is there anybody who got an old toshiba satellite 2050cds (or anything wich look like)? |
| 10:20.32 | jm_ | whlwc: yes |
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| 10:20.52 | whlwc | jm_: perfect! working just fine. Thank you :) |
| 10:20.56 | simonrvn | weeee |
| 10:22.08 | claudemir | good morning people! |
| 10:22.26 | Capkirk | would 250mb be ok for / ? |
| 10:22.29 | jm_ | whlwc: np |
| 10:22.51 | simon_c | Hi All. Somehow I've managed to trash something about apt-get. I'm trying to remove a package (courier-authdaemon) and it won't let me apt-get remove it, or apt-get install it (to fix it) apt-get -f install also doesn't work. |
| 10:22.52 | simon_c | I can past full error listings to #flood if it helps, but basically it looks like I've deleted some files that the package needs to uninstall itself. |
| 10:22.54 | simon_c | Can anyone help, or point me at docs that help to fix this problem. I've tried looking at debian reference manual and the problems it describes for apt don't seem relevent, or the fixes don't work. |
| 10:22.56 | simon_c | Thanks. |
| 10:23.11 | jm_ | simon_c: fix it using dpkg |
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| 10:24.38 | dasunt | Where does vim in debian autodecompress .bz2 files |
| 10:24.47 | simon_c | jm_ that doesn't work either. "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126" |
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| 10:25.07 | simon_c | I tried it with --force-all as well, but that didn't work either |
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| 10:25.11 | thomas_adam | simon_c: edit the scrfipt |
| 10:25.24 | jm_ | simon_c: yes, you need to man dpkg and dpk --force-help or create fake scripts |
| 10:25.47 | enz0 | hi every one and happy new year :) |
| 10:25.59 | simon_c | thomas_adam. scrfipt ? |
| 10:26.07 | Capkirk | anyone here urnning ReiserFS from bf2.4 and if yes is it stable? |
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| 10:26.08 | thomas_adam | simon_c: script |
| 10:26.22 | simon_c | jm: I'll try to plough through the dpkg manual some more. I'll probably be back later :-( |
| 10:26.35 | enz0 | could somebody tell me how i can give same rights as root to a user ? |
| 10:26.44 | jm_ | simon_c: just echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nexit 0' > scirptinquestion |
| 10:26.52 | thomas_adam | enz0: sudo |
| 10:26.55 | simon_c | Ahh, just create fake scripts to they run OK |
| 10:27.00 | jm_ | right |
| 10:27.09 | simon_c | I'll try that. thanks. |
| 10:27.14 | enz0 | sudo ? |
| 10:27.19 | thomas_adam | ~sudo |
| 10:27.26 | | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 10:28.01 | ircdevil | hi |
| 10:28.15 | ircdevil | i forgot howto enable scroolbar in xterm. anyone? |
| 10:28.25 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: xterm -sb |
| 10:28.51 | jm_ | you also forgot about man command ircdevil ? |
| 10:28.54 | simonrvn | or set it up in an ~/.Xresources |
| 10:29.03 | enz0 | ok i'm gonna watch that :) thx apt & thomas_adam |
| 10:29.10 | thomas_adam | enz0: yw |
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| 10:29.26 | ircdevil | jm_ *grrrr* :o) actually i jumped straigth for the faq - which doent mention it. |
| 10:29.32 | ircdevil | !cluebat ircdevil |
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| 10:29.45 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: no matter |
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| 10:30.48 | Smirker | hey |
| 10:30.59 | Smirker | how do i reconfigure eth0? (i need to change gateway) |
| 10:31.05 | thomas_adam | Smirker: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:31.08 | jm_ | Smirker: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 10:31.18 | simon_c | jm_ thomas_adam: Thanks for the help. That sorted it. |
| 10:31.23 | thomas_adam | simon_c: yw |
| 10:31.25 | Smirker | thx |
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| 10:37.15 | zu22 | yo |
| 10:37.30 | SlayerXP | zu22: I return your ebonic greeting. |
| 10:38.34 | zu22 | SlayerXP: hehe |
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| 10:40.54 | RoyK | any known hard bugs on latest sarge? |
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| 10:41.16 | RoyK | as if to ask 'may I dist-upgrade somehow safely?' |
| 10:43.56 | JoePenguin | RoyK: it's probably ok |
| 10:44.38 | JoePenguin | RoyK: i upgraded to unstable a few days ago and i didn't hit any hard bugs |
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| 10:45.13 | grzesiek | hi |
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| 10:45.35 | JoePenguin | grzesiek: hi |
| 10:45.39 | grzesiek | does anyone know how to integrate spamassassin and exim in stable? |
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| 10:45.48 | zu22 | hello |
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| 10:46.03 | grzesiek | I got it working in sid but in stable same way doesn't work... |
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| 10:46.30 | MarkT | grzesiek: there is an article this month in linuxgazette.com that may be of interest |
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| 10:46.55 | grzesiek | cool |
| 10:47.11 | MarkT | may give you an idea that u havent thought of.. |
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| 10:53.49 | ircdevil | which package contain HTML/Parser.pm ? |
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| 10:53.58 | ericP | could someone running testing `dpkg -S xhtml1-strict.dtd` for me? |
| 10:54.02 | w00ter | ircdevil: just grab it from CPAN |
| 10:54.12 | ircdevil | got it |
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| 10:54.59 | ericP | hmm, i wonder if anyone is running testing |
| 10:55.13 | ircdevil | w00ter will i not get in conflict running debian stable and using the latest modules from cpan? |
| 10:55.15 | ericP | no doubt you are all on nice conservative stable machines |
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| 10:55.44 | jm_ | ircdevil: bah, read the FAQ |
| 10:55.46 | w00ter | ircdevil: no |
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| 10:56.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: don't install crap from CPAN - at least use dh-make-perl if it's not in debian |
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| 10:56.56 | ircdevil | jm_ dh-make-perl of cause |
| 10:57.00 | ericP | dh-make-perl sticks CPAN info into the dpkg databases? (maybe by creating debs?) |
| 10:57.20 | jm_ | ircdevil: and Parser.pm is there .... |
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| 10:57.37 | DeAtHLiFe | some1 experience with pinnacle pctv usb on a debian machine? |
| 10:57.51 | vorsprung | hi |
| 10:58.00 | ircdevil | ok, now that i have the Parser.pm i need to rerun all my mail thru procmail and spamassassin |
| 10:58.08 | vorsprung | i actually bothered to upgrade my kernel |
| 10:58.24 | jm_ | ircdevil: man formail |
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| 10:58.57 | vorsprung | ericP, the perl experts tell me that dh-make-perl is not a good system |
| 10:59.10 | vorsprung | ericP, but don't ask me what is |
| 10:59.19 | petemc | there's a new way to package perl modules |
| 10:59.24 | ericP | vorsprung, good to know |
| 10:59.29 | petemc | it was in last weeks dwn |
| 10:59.34 | vorsprung | ericP, dh-make-perl doesn't work with the MakeMaker replacement y'see |
| 11:00.18 | ericP | ahh, price of progress |
| 11:00.35 | vorsprung | ericP, i would guess that what ever thing one is supposed to use instead of dh-make-perl is available in testing or unstable |
| 11:00.44 | ericP | petemc, pointer on "new way to package perl modules" ? |
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| 11:01.09 | jm_ | ericP: read DWN |
| 11:01.27 | zu22 | !dwn |
| 11:01.28 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 11:01.38 | ericP | speaking of testing, is someone here running testing? and would they mind running `dpkg -S xhtml1-strict.dtd` for me? |
| 11:01.47 | petemc | ericP: as i said, it was in last weeks debian weekly news |
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| 11:03.44 | cafuego | dpkg: *xhtml1-strict.dtd* not found. |
| 11:03.44 | dpkg | cafuego: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:03.54 | cafuego | !cricket itself |
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| 11:06.24 | vorsprung | petemc, that link in dwn looked stupid. It seems as if some kiddy rewrote dh-make-perl for no apparent reason. It doesn't mention the makemaker problem. Noone from the debian perl maintainers commented. It looks like a complete waste of time |
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| 11:07.42 | petemc | vorsprung: dont shoot the messenger :) |
| 11:07.52 | vorsprung | petemc, :) |
| 11:08.22 | vorsprung | petemc, http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/cpan2deb |
| 11:08.23 | tchiak | i'll shoot whom ever i darn please thank youy very much |
| 11:08.47 | gospelgreg | somebody knows brainstorm |
| 11:08.51 | petemc | vorsprung: cool, simon cozens works round the corner from me |
| 11:09.09 | petemc | for kasei.com |
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| 11:09.33 | ericP | for those interested, dh-make-perl -like script is called perl2deb. <link rel="Code" href="http://www.mathematik.uni-kassel.de/~klein/debian/perl2deb"/><link rel="announcement" href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-perl/2003/debian-perl-200311/msg00023.html"/> |
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| 11:09.38 | petemc | in fact, kasei did some work for me just before christmas |
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| 11:10.29 | glick_ | excuse me im trying to use wget to download a directory, however it always sends an HTTP request which causes it to fail, i dont know why it does this since it is an ftp server |
| 11:10.48 | glick_ | excuse me im trying to use wget to download a directory, however it always sends an HTTP request which causes it to fail, i dont know why it does this since it is an ftp server |
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| 11:11.13 | JoePenguin | glick_: show us the exact command you are using |
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| 11:11.28 | w00ter | glick_: did you use ftp:// ? |
| 11:11.29 | JoePenguin | glick_: or at least the options |
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| 11:11.51 | glick_ | wget -r -nH ftp_server |
| 11:12.11 | JoePenguin | glick_: try wget -r -nH ftp://ftp_server |
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| 11:12.21 | gospelgreg | guillo estas?? |
| 11:12.30 | Gandalfar | anyone from .pl here? |
| 11:12.41 | JoePenguin | ericP: That's good to know |
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| 11:13.23 | JoePenguin | glick_: or look at ncftpget |
| 11:13.41 | ericP | JoePenguin, i don't get the impression that it's had a lot of peer review. didn't read all, though. main page is in german. |
| 11:14.20 | ericP | cafuego, tx for 2004-01-07T11:03:44Z <cafuego> dpkg: *xhtml1-strict.dtd* not found. |
| 11:14.54 | ericP | getting the xhtml dtds into packages has been a pain for a while. |
| 11:15.30 | ericP | it comes with xemacs, but it seems silly to install a zigabyte of extra stuff to get 5 measily dtds. |
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| 11:17.41 | mz | can anybody tell me why connecting to ssh on my debian boxes takes longer than my other boxes? |
| 11:18.46 | ericP | probably checking that the advertized name matches the in-addr for the ip you're connecting from |
| 11:18.48 | blackisha | does anyone use icewm here? |
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| 11:18.53 | ericP | (mz) |
| 11:19.11 | jm_ | blackisha: yes |
| 11:19.11 | hoxu|uni | blackisha, yes |
| 11:19.25 | blackisha | does winoptions work? |
| 11:19.36 | jm_ | yes |
| 11:19.52 | blackisha | im trying to stop icewm showing the panel & nautilus in the alt-tab quickswitch window |
| 11:20.00 | blackisha | but it doesnt work |
| 11:20.03 | zu22 | anyone know which package provides the dos2unix program in sid? |
| 11:20.05 | hoxu|uni | ~does not work |
| 11:20.08 | | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:20.08 | blackisha | im using testing |
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| 11:20.28 | jm_ | use xprop to get the window name etc., then name.ignoreQuickSwitch: 1 and ignoreTaskBar |
| 11:20.40 | zu22 | apt-cache search didn't find it |
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| 11:20.48 | jm_ | apt-cache doesn't search for files |
| 11:20.57 | zu22 | jm_: ah ok how can i search for files? |
| 11:20.59 | hoxu|uni | zu22, crlf/lf conversion? |
| 11:21.06 | jm_ | zu22: read the FAQ |
| 11:21.11 | zu22 | hoxu|uni: ya those pesky ^M etc.. |
| 11:21.27 | hoxu|uni | zu22, I use vim.. but you could get around with awk/perl/whatever script |
| 11:21.32 | zu22 | jm_: tarzeau's FAQ? |
| 11:21.35 | jm_ | zu22: right |
| 11:21.41 | hoxu|uni | zu22, I guess there's a program for it too, try apt-file or something |
| 11:21.52 | zu22 | hoxu|uni: ahh |
| 11:21.53 | zu22 | jm_: ok |
| 11:21.53 | zu22 | thx |
| 11:22.00 | simonrvn | dos2unix |
| 11:22.08 | jm_ | you might also have recode installed |
| 11:22.17 | mz | ericP: hmm, I use the same dns settings from my internal dhcp server everywhere |
| 11:22.18 | simonrvn | recode works really well |
| 11:22.19 | JoePenguin | zu22: you could try the "flip" package |
| 11:22.28 | mz | ericP: all my ips have a reverse lookup |
| 11:22.31 | zu22 | joepenguin: k |
| 11:22.32 | hoxu|uni | zu22, /msg apt dos2unix for the script ;) |
| 11:23.06 | zu22 | hoxu|uni: woot! |
| 11:23.16 | blackisha | hm: well im using a config program, which grabs the screen & sets the option for me, but icewm doesnt seem to be obeying |
| 11:23.19 | ericP | mz, have you diffed your sshd_config's? |
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| 11:23.54 | mz | ericP: I did compile them from the same source and used the same cfgs on all my boxes |
| 11:24.13 | ericP | mz, how much longer are we talking? |
| 11:24.23 | mz | it takes about 10~15 secs before the password will be prompted |
| 11:24.38 | mz | on my gentoo boxes for example it's prompted directly |
| 11:24.39 | ericP | how about from localhost? |
| 11:24.44 | Gandalfar | mz: maybe it's try to do dns lookup? |
| 11:24.58 | mz | to localhost it has ~5 secs delay |
| 11:25.25 | mz | Gandalfar: my dns is running debian too, and takes as long as the non-debian box to accept the ssh connection |
| 11:25.29 | ericP | Gandalfar, mz indacated that he's got the some config on the other machines |
| 11:25.38 | ericP | mz, ssh -v? |
| 11:25.50 | mz | I also use: |
| 11:25.51 | Gandalfar | ok |
| 11:25.53 | mz | iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j TOS --set-tos Minimize-Delay |
| 11:26.15 | blackisha | jm_, the config program sets the option fine for Gnome-panel.gnome-panel, but icewm doesnt seem to obey |
| 11:26.16 | ericP | dag, you're more intimate with this stuff than i |
| 11:26.50 | jm_ | blackisha: well what can I say, I do it manually - also try restarting icewm |
| 11:26.54 | mz | OpenSSH_3.6.1p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090703f |
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| 11:27.40 | hwnd | what do I need to enable on kernel to use an ide cdrecorder? |
| 11:27.46 | ericP | mz, i meant lower case 'v', to see what's happening (tghough you may have done that too) |
| 11:27.52 | jm_ | hwnd: cd writing howto |
| 11:27.56 | hwnd | url? |
| 11:28.01 | hoxu|uni | hwnd, stbw |
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| 11:28.23 | Mr_butler | hi |
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| 11:29.31 | ericP | hwnd if you built your kernel with scsci emulation for idem, boot with the extra kernel parameter "hdc=scsi", if you built the kernel with emulation as a module, i think that becomes "hdc=ide-scsi" |
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| 11:29.56 | JoePenguin | mz: you could try running your sshd in debug mode, or running a packet sniffer on the server to see if it is failing a dns lookup |
| 11:30.09 | hoxu|uni | hwnd, which kernel? |
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| 11:30.47 | modconf | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 11:31.06 | mz | JoePenguin: hmm, but dns is localhost and manual reverse lookup works directly |
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| 11:31.11 | streuner | hwnd: if you using an bf2.4 kernel it's already everything in what you need.. |
| 11:31.14 | blackisha | jm_ have u done it for the panel? |
| 11:31.28 | jm_ | blackisha: I don't use gnome, I use it for gkrellm and xmms |
| 11:31.43 | blackisha | k, thanks |
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| 11:31.51 | mz | another q; with apt-get upgrade I get: The following packages have been kept back |
| 11:31.54 | mz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.09 | mz | why would this be? |
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| 11:33.25 | The_Vulture | mz: because they depend on packages you haven't installed most likely, just apt-get unhold apache apache-common and it should continue on its merry way |
| 11:34.00 | mz | thank you |
| 11:34.46 | mz | # apt-get unhold apache apache-common |
| 11:34.46 | mz | E: Invalid operation unhold |
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| 11:35.06 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* works in aptitude, guess it's something else in apt-get |
| 11:35.08 | mz | --ignore-hold |
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| 11:35.16 | mz | I guess |
| 11:35.32 | The_Vulture | perhaps *shrugs* |
| 11:35.41 | simonrvn | echo <package> install |dpkg --set-selections |
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| 11:35.53 | hoxu|uni | mz, apt-get install works for me :P |
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| 11:36.32 | CSMan | The_Vulture: you moved to debian? |
| 11:36.36 | jm_ | maybe it's not even held back for real but just requires apt-get install apache-common |
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| 11:37.11 | magix | jak mozna sie dowiedziec ile KB/s jest sciagane z serwera samby ? |
| 11:37.18 | magix | sorry |
| 11:37.22 | simonrvn | @polish |
| 11:37.33 | cyberyo | io |
| 11:37.33 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 11:37.37 | simonrvn | oi |
| 11:38.05 | The_Vulture | CSMan: I've been using debian for over 18 months now |
| 11:38.16 | The_Vulture | after using RH for two weeks |
| 11:38.21 | mz | hmm great... Error: libphp4_system.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 11:38.21 | mz | Error: the above error list does not permit a safe use of modules-config. |
| 11:38.22 | The_Vulture | longer than I've been on this network anyway |
| 11:38.23 | simonrvn | zu22: don't /msg me |
| 11:38.34 | blask | hey folks i have a problem when i try to install debian on my computer, it won't mount my cdrom where my install media is, help apreciated. |
| 11:38.55 | zu22 | simonrvn: ok (sniff) :-( |
| 11:39.08 | simonrvn | mz: report a bug on that package. it's supposed to have an .info file |
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| 11:39.24 | simonrvn | zu22: wtf did you /version me? |
| 11:39.26 | Zap-W | blask : hmm you are the second i see complaning about this .. |
| 11:39.41 | simonrvn | zu22: you could have just asked... |
| 11:39.46 | wa4chq | Hi...I am the only user here (debian 3.0r2) and would like to get my mail working properly. I use Pine with my other distro's (including an earlier deb) but I'd like to try Mutt. I receive email fine, but I can't send it. Any ideas about a simple solution for sending mail with Mutt? Thanx |
| 11:39.47 | zu22 | simonrvn: oops wrong key |
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| 11:40.05 | blask | okey so what is the solution if i may ask? |
| 11:40.19 | The_Vulture | magix: setup exim appropriately, and probably a mail alias in /etc/email-addresses |
| 11:40.29 | simonrvn | wa4chq: mutt uses the installed MTA, so configure your MTA |
| 11:40.38 | The_Vulture | what simonrvn said |
| 11:40.48 | zu22 | simonrvn: /whois vorsprung |
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| 11:41.16 | wa4chq | simonrvn: Where do I look for that config file? |
| 11:41.28 | simonrvn | wa4chq: depends on what's installed |
| 11:41.40 | ircdevil | how do i beef up html-only penalty in spamassassin 2.61? |
| 11:42.00 | wa4chq | simonrvn: well do you mean "smtp" or "exim" ?? |
| 11:42.25 | w00ter | ircdevil: RTFM :) |
| 11:42.30 | The_Vulture | wa4chq: any package that provides mail-transport-agent |
| 11:42.37 | simonrvn | wa4chq: SMTP is a protocol. exim is an MTA that uses SMTP |
| 11:42.42 | dobby | hello i upgraded to SID know i have a big problem. apt got the following error: dpkg-devert xlibrender1 .... subprocess error. How can i fix that? |
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| 11:43.27 | simonrvn | dobby: try removing it, and installing that package again, maybe? *shrug* |
| 11:43.35 | w00ter | ~tell dobby about BTS |
| 11:43.39 | wa4chq | simonrvn/vulture: OK, so I will look at exim....? |
| 11:43.49 | simonrvn | wa4chq: /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 11:43.55 | dobby | simonrvn: but its not installed!! |
| 11:43.58 | simonrvn | wa4chq: dpkg -L exim |
| 11:44.12 | zu22 | package free-java-sdk in sid does not say which version of Java it supports - anyone know ? |
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| 11:44.21 | simonrvn | dobby: paste the full error in #flood please |
| 11:44.31 | wa4chq | simonrvn: Tnx...will check it out....cheers |
| 11:45.06 | simonrvn | too bad it's waaay too early/late for beer :P |
| 11:45.07 | dobby | ok |
| 11:45.10 | The_Vulture | zu22: it's just a meta-package, apt-cache show it and look at the list of other packages it depends on |
| 11:45.15 | The_Vulture | and go look at what version[s] they support |
| 11:45.16 | fooz | anyone know if EVMS has a 'vgchange -n' equivalent? |
| 11:45.29 | fooz | to "unuse" a volume or container or segment or whatever |
| 11:45.39 | zu22 | the_vulture: ok thx |
| 11:45.49 | w00ter | simonrvn: that's so not true...24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. it's no coincidence |
| 11:45.57 | blask | lol |
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| 11:46.12 | simonrvn | w00ter: i don't have a case here ATM :/ |
| 11:46.13 | duobleB-e-o | hy guys |
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| 11:46.28 | w00ter | ah shame :( |
| 11:46.34 | bkw | Are there any option in joe to disable to creation of ~ files ? |
| 11:46.38 | duobleB-e-o | I' ve got a very important question, 'cause tommorrow I've got an exam |
| 11:46.59 | simonrvn | if it has to do with your homework, ask elsewhere |
| 11:47.04 | bkw | :) |
| 11:47.21 | duobleB-e-o | I have don in c a program for a server socket stream |
| 11:47.25 | duobleB-e-o | :) |
| 11:47.41 | dobby | simonrvn: how can i copy the output from apt in the console? |
| 11:47.51 | jm_ | dobby: gpm |
| 11:47.55 | jm_ | or screen |
| 11:47.57 | duobleB-e-o | but it does not woerk |
| 11:48.01 | duobleB-e-o | but it does not work |
| 11:48.16 | jm_ | doub;info page for libc has a sample client/server cosket program |
| 11:48.22 | jm_ | socket too |
| 11:48.30 | simonrvn | nice one |
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| 11:49.03 | duobleB-e-o | it says invalid or incomplite or wide multybyte character |
| 11:49.03 | dobby | jm_: gpm ? |
| 11:49.04 | jm_ | yeah, damn dysclexia |
| 11:49.08 | jm_ | dobby: apt-cache show gpm |
| 11:49.09 | duobleB-e-o | what does it mean? |
| 11:49.23 | jm_ | huh ? that has got nothing to do with sockets |
| 11:49.49 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.59 | duobleB-e-o | ? |
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| 11:50.27 | dobby | jm_: but i can't install it because libxrender1 has a dpkg-divert problem. |
| 11:50.28 | wiak | how do i untgz a .tgz file? |
| 11:51.03 | duobleB-e-o | Anybody knows where I can find something about the problem??? |
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| 11:51.32 | psycose | hi |
| 11:51.59 | amphi | duobleB-e-o: #c maybe? |
| 11:52.45 | duobleB-e-o | I've got a lot of books and man about c |
| 11:52.53 | duobleB-e-o | but there's nothing about it |
| 11:53.11 | psycose | well, UTC= no in my /etc/default/rcS file, i installed ntpdate, run it once and all work, when i run it again few days later it tells me :"no servers can be used, exiting" i don't have a clue about this error (google too) ... any tips .? |
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| 11:53.14 | The_Vulture | duobleB-e-o: the point is, the #C channel might be a more appropriate place for questions about C |
| 11:53.17 | The_Vulture | rather than #debian |
| 11:53.30 | duobleB-e-o | ok sorry |
| 11:53.35 | duobleB-e-o | :) |
| 11:54.00 | Norbert_ | How do I call RMS? I need support for my Ericsson HM121d USB modem. ;-) |
| 11:54.12 | duobleB-e-o | but I can't find an error in the program and I thougth that was a security problem of Debian .... |
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| 11:54.17 | spacey | any idea where i can find the diff for that older do_brk() problem? |
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| 11:54.44 | The_Vulture | duobleB-e-o: if it's an error message coming from gcc, which it sounds like it is, it's probably your code |
| 11:54.50 | The_Vulture | especially if yer new to C |
| 11:55.32 | jm_ | dobby: fix it ? |
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| 11:56.23 | tedbundyjr | hi people. currently i'm trying to make a custom installation iso image for support the new aic79xx and e1000 driver. but i cannot find or download the mini-iso.sh from the cvs.debian.org. |
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| 11:56.56 | tedbundyjr | do anybody have a copy of mini-iso.sh for making custom made installation cd? |
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| 11:57.29 | blask | any one had a sollution for my problem perhaps? |
| 11:57.35 | petemc | tedbundyjr: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 11:58.33 | tedbundyjr | petemc: thanks... i try that one first |
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| 12:00.48 | dobby | simonrvn: ok i have posted it in #flood |
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| 12:02.23 | psycose | is anyone with ntpdate got a /etc/ntp.conf file ? |
| 12:02.24 | dobby | simonrvn: still here? |
| 12:03.02 | SlayerXP | psycose: most people have, I would think |
| 12:03.13 | dobby | jm_: please have a look to my prolem in #flood |
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| 12:03.26 | simonrvn | dobby: check the bts, that's a known bug |
| 12:03.57 | streuner | dobby: you will have to fix the error in the script itself /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>postinst |
| 12:04.17 | streuner | dobby: ok :-) , listen to simon |
| 12:05.09 | psycose | SlayerXP: well matter is i've instal ntpdate and i don't got one ... may be it's another place in debian..., because i got the folowing error when running ntpdate :" no servers can be used, exiting" |
| 12:05.13 | streuner | dobby: anyway, check this out too, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:05.15 | blask | please, how can I make debian to mount my cdrom in the installation sequence? |
| 12:05.32 | SlayerXP | psycose: that error doesn't mean you have no ntpdate.conf file |
| 12:05.34 | jm_ | blask: it mounts it itself |
| 12:05.37 | dobby | streuner: simonrvn: ok i'll check that |
| 12:06.07 | blask | well it says, can't find cdrom |
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| 12:06.33 | jm_ | go to second console and try to mount it manually, see what it says |
| 12:06.47 | psycose | SlayerXP i don't find any ntp* file in etc ... |
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| 12:06.59 | blask | erhm what other console? i run win2k on this one |
| 12:07.22 | jm_ | you can access second console during installation |
| 12:07.31 | blask | how do i do that? |
| 12:07.36 | kandinski | anyone running SID and on dial-up? |
| 12:07.38 | jm_ | press alt-f2 ? |
| 12:07.44 | blask | aaaaah thanks |
| 12:07.49 | jm_ | and alt-f1 to get back |
| 12:08.02 | streuner | !tell kandinski about ask |
| 12:08.18 | blask | and then i mount it how? quite new to linux/debian (for not to say extremely new) |
| 12:08.19 | kandinski | streuner: thanks |
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| 12:08.46 | streuner | kandinski: for what :-) you got no answer at all yet... |
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| 12:09.16 | kandinski | streuner: well, dpkg told me how to ask, thanks to you |
| 12:09.59 | streuner | kandinski: in general it's in other words, ask and don't waste bandwidth to ask :-) |
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| 12:11.37 | Yahya | where would be the best Free shell account that runs rebian I can use for Dev |
| 12:11.37 | kandinski | ok, I apt-got upgraded my SID (from latest Knoppix) and it broke dial-up. I have reinstalled (don't know how to fix it yet) but I am afraid to upgrade again because it will break again. How do I downgrade to testing? |
| 12:11.53 | holycow | oh wow, openwebmail.org looks like an awesome piece of software |
| 12:12.21 | petemc | holycow: it is, i use it for > 600 users |
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| 12:12.40 | holycow | petemc realy? whoa |
| 12:12.50 | streuner | kandinski: knoppix use some dirty hacks to fix problems, wth should we know about and how to solve that? ask in #knoppix |
| 12:13.06 | holycow | i'm running lotus notes at our place (inherited it) but something like this could most definately allow me to dump it |
| 12:14.03 | psycose | SlayerXP So ? you think it not normal that i don't have any ntp* file in /etc ? may be a bug ? |
| 12:14.03 | w00ter | hmm i never liked neomail much |
| 12:14.07 | w00ter | prefer horde |
| 12:14.15 | holycow | wooter, horde.org? |
| 12:14.16 | w00ter | the web interface for communigate pro is quite cool too |
| 12:14.27 | holycow | :) |
| 12:14.36 | w00ter | yup |
| 12:14.36 | kandinski | streuner: ok, thanks |
| 12:14.50 | w00ter | http://www.horde.org/imp/ |
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| 12:15.03 | Zap-W | a setuid root program means that only root can run it ? or any user but with root privilages? |
| 12:15.09 | jm_ | the latter |
| 12:15.12 | Zap-W | ok |
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| 12:15.20 | jm_ | well it really depends on its permissions |
| 12:15.29 | jm_ | it can be both, but it's usually the latter |
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| 12:15.38 | Zap-W | why does it prompt me if i want pure-ftpwho setuid root?? |
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| 12:15.49 | streuner | kandinski: what do you use, wvdial? |
| 12:16.09 | holycow | wicked, thanks for the tips wooter, i shall add them to the research list |
| 12:16.17 | kandinski | no, kppp or pppd from command line, and both were borked |
| 12:16.23 | jm_ | so that non-root users can run it ? |
| 12:17.30 | streuner | kandinski: i used the stable version of wvdial in sid... |
| 12:17.59 | kandinski | streuner: how do you use stable versions of stuff in sid? |
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| 12:18.19 | w00ter | np holycow |
| 12:18.28 | streuner | kandinski: just dpkg -i wvdial*.deb, hence it wouldn't work with most debs... |
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| 12:19.38 | Zap-W | jm_ : yes , i didn't notice it was already setuid root , that's why i wondered how regular users are able to run the program.. |
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| 12:20.30 | mdeboer | hello. |
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| 12:21.51 | mdeboer | hi. i'm using jigdo for the first time (to create sarge ppc images). pretty amazing. just one question: how can i find out which cd contains which packages? (esp, on which one is kde located) |
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| 12:22.51 | kandinski | streuner: also, I can't find wxdial, could it be 'cos I don't have the right sources.list? |
| 12:22.51 | zsworker | r irc.debian.org |
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| 12:23.26 | jm_ | mdeboer: isoinfo -lRi file.img |
| 12:23.40 | prologic | I can't seem to access ripperX or cdparanoia, /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. By default, is what I keep getting. I am a member of the "cdrom" group. any reason why it isn't working ? |
| 12:23.53 | streuner | kandinski: it should be in any mirror |
| 12:23.57 | mdeboer | jm_> but that's after creating the image... |
| 12:24.11 | jm_ | mdeboer: yes |
| 12:24.21 | mdeboer | jm_> i'd like to know beforehand. i might need need all iso's |
| 12:24.21 | streuner | !info wvdial stable |
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| 12:24.28 | imho | hi :] |
| 12:24.30 | mdeboer | s/need not/not need/ |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence.), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.53.0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 12:24.48 | jm_ | mdeboer: there used to be .list files for each image for 3.0 release, not sure if that is still available |
| 12:24.49 | dobby | streuner: i cannot find it! can you give me the link that i can read how to fix it? |
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| 12:25.08 | imho | what program can i use to capture screen in realtime (i wont to dumping screen to movie) |
| 12:25.11 | imho | ? |
| 12:25.15 | mdeboer | jm_: yes, but i am using sarge. |
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| 12:25.25 | jm_ | imho: xvidcap |
| 12:25.31 | imho | jm_: thx |
| 12:25.32 | jm_ | mdeboer: tough luck ;) |
| 12:25.37 | mdeboer | xvidcap rules. |
| 12:25.52 | streuner | dobby: BTS? /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg sid faq? /var/lib/dpkg/info/ <pkg> postinst* |
| 12:26.20 | kandinski | !info wxdial sid |
| 12:26.37 | mdeboer | jm_: but i am sure this data is in the jigdo templates... |
| 12:26.48 | mdeboer | just don't know how to extract if from there. |
| 12:26.50 | streuner | kandinski: not wxdial, wvdial |
| 12:27.00 | kandinski | !info wvdial sid |
| 12:27.01 | jm_ | mdeboer: I never used it, I always get premade images |
| 12:27.06 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54+20031110-1 (sid), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 12:27.18 | kandinski | streuner: I feel rilly stupid |
| 12:27.58 | mdeboer | jm_: debian advices against that |
| 12:28.12 | mdeboer | jm_: anyway, there are no premade ppc images for sarge |
| 12:28.28 | jm_ | mdeboer: yes, it's a free world -- I only download stable releases for work usually |
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| 12:29.58 | Skarmeth | olÃĄ pessoal |
| 12:30.18 | Skarmeth | alguem com experiencia com problemas em sistemas de arquivos reiser? |
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| 12:30.45 | Skarmeth | Estou com um hd que a particao em reiser nÃŖo se pode acessar |
| 12:30.53 | Capkirk_ | is it possible to upgrade directly from woody to sid or do i need to upgrade to sarge first? |
| 12:31.08 | jm_ | Skarmeth: this is english speaking channel |
| 12:31.12 | kandinski | streuner: does wwdial use pppd? because if it does, dial-up will still be borked, as pppd from the command line didn't work either |
| 12:31.27 | The_Vulture | Capkirk_: yes it's possible |
| 12:31.27 | streuner | ~depends wvdial |
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| 12:31.51 | streuner | !depends wvdial |
| 12:31.56 | dpkg | wvdial: depends on ppp (>= 2.3.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libwvstreams3-base (>= 3.74+20031017-1) |
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| 12:33.04 | kandinski | !depends artsd |
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| 12:33.22 | kandinski | !depends arts |
| 12:33.24 | dpkg | arts: depends on libartsc0 (>= 1.1.4-3), libarts1 (>= 1.1.4-3) |
| 12:33.37 | Skarmeth | jm I'm sorry I'm on debian-br too, I wrote on wrong window |
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| 12:34.22 | jm_ | Skarmeth: ahh no worries |
| 12:35.01 | streuner | kandinski: so compare ppp, if it's the version of knoppix or the debian one... |
| 12:35.38 | imho | xvidcap is little hard :P |
| 12:35.44 | jm_ | xvidcap is trivial |
| 12:35.45 | Skarmeth | I'm with troubles in a reiser filesystem. My files are are unaccessible... this is a 60 GB partition formated with reiser, two days ago when I was moving files from a pendrive to that partition, I noted reiserfs erros messengers, then all files was unnaccessibles |
| 12:35.52 | streuner | kandinski: what does 'uname -a' say? |
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| 12:36.16 | kandinski | Linux debord 2.4.22-xfs #1 SMP Fr Okt 3 20:36:25 CEST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:36.43 | kandinski | but that is not surprising since I am in a Knoppix, I wouldn't be able to connect from the sid install since dial up broke |
| 12:36.48 | streuner | kandinski: /msg dpkg kp, and download the source at kernel.org for a new kernel. |
| 12:37.06 | tomf | Skarmeth: you're sure you haven't got bad blocks on the disk? |
| 12:37.25 | Skarmeth | the disk are ok, no bad blocks |
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| 12:37.52 | kandinski | streuner: so you think the reason it got borked is the upgraded sid packages are for a newer kernel and I am still running the older one? |
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| 12:38.15 | Skarmeth | the reiser utilities say that it's a reiser file system, but the block format aren't valid |
| 12:38.27 | iostream | Would it be bad to have all data on one root partition (its a server)? |
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| 12:38.51 | streuner | kandinski: no |
| 12:38.59 | jm_ | iostream: well it depends |
| 12:39.03 | Skarmeth | the reiserfsck with --check, --fix-fixable, --rebuild-sb don't do anything bacause it say that can't detect the block size/format |
| 12:39.19 | iostream | jm_ depends on what? |
| 12:39.22 | Skarmeth | no, it's my personal files disk |
| 12:39.29 | jm_ | Skarmeth: resierfs has always been reknown for crap fsck tool unfortunatelly |
| 12:39.41 | kandinski | streuner: and the advantages to a new kernel would be? |
| 12:39.52 | streuner | kandinski: /topic |
| 12:40.01 | jm_ | iostream: there are several scenarios, if there will be users and there are no quotas, they can fill your disk - then their mail can fill it, or if some tool goes berserk, logs can fill it |
| 12:40.04 | Skarmeth | I tryed the Knnopix/Kurumim recovery utility, but nothing |
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| 12:40.38 | iostream | jm_: True, but it will only be running a minimum of services and only restricted users(read: admins) will have access |
| 12:40.50 | Skarmeth | does anyone here know any utility that i can try to recovery this fs? |
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| 12:41.15 | dobby | streuner: if i do bug.debian.org/libxrender1 there is no bug?! |
| 12:41.18 | iostream | Would that be a problem then? |
| 12:41.19 | Skarmeth | the partition are ok for fdisk/cfdisk/parted |
| 12:41.29 | streuner | !find libxrender |
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| 12:41.31 | jm_ | iostream: then it probably makes sense |
| 12:41.32 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libxrender' (3 shown): libxrender-dev ;; libxrender1 ;; libxrender1-dbg. |
| 12:41.39 | iostream | jm_: Alright :) |
| 12:41.42 | jm_ | Skarmeth: did you look if there are any reiserfs oriented mailing lists ? |
| 12:41.42 | shawarma | I just switched to CUPS. How do I get gnome-stuff to use it? |
| 12:41.55 | streuner | dobby: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:41.59 | jm_ | shawarma: just install cupsys-bsd |
| 12:42.15 | shawarma | jm_: But gnome is supposed to work directly with CUPS, isn't it? |
| 12:42.17 | imho | i dont have ppm2mpeg, where can i find it? |
| 12:42.17 | mdeboer | ha!! the .jigdo file is simply a zipped text file! |
| 12:42.17 | Skarmeth | yes I did, but nothing about it... |
| 12:42.19 | mdeboer | easy does it. |
| 12:42.21 | mdeboer | zless |
| 12:42.45 | shawarma | jm_: I've heard rumours that CUPS should allow you to choose between all your spools'n'stuff. |
| 12:42.45 | jm_ | shawarma: is it ? well then check gnome control center or somesuch |
| 12:42.46 | imho | i gooogled, but i heven't found it |
| 12:42.53 | dobby | streuner: i search on http://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:42.59 | jm_ | shawarma: spools ? you mean printers ? |
| 12:43.04 | dobby | streuner: i searched |
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| 12:43.16 | shawarma | jm_: Well.. Yeah, let's call it that. :-) |
| 12:43.16 | ircdevil | what is the name of the spamassassin rule that penalizes html-only mail? |
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| 12:43.32 | streuner | dobby: want some spoon to feed you? |
| 12:43.35 | shawarma | jm_: You can define several spools for each physical printer, as fas as I know. |
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| 12:43.38 | jm_ | shawarma: yes, you can define several and select one as deault and also print to an aribtrary one |
| 12:44.26 | _jle_ | go a trivial problem, i set up my fstab but i cant get into /mnt/ntfs cos my permision is denied. what do i change? |
| 12:44.35 | streuner | dobby: if you have problems to find a simple bug list in unstable, just run windows |
| 12:45.10 | The_Vulture | _jle_: man fstab and man mount |
| 12:45.15 | _jle_ | thx |
| 12:45.24 | dobby | streuner: i don't have an x-window i'am surfing with lynx so .....;( |
| 12:45.29 | The_Vulture | go look at mount options for changing the permissions of a mounted filesystem, it'd be best to make a group to give permissions to |
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| 12:45.37 | _jle_ | it mounts fine i just cant get in |
| 12:46.05 | imho | ehmmm... |
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| 12:49.31 | streuner | dobby: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=xrender |
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| 12:50.58 | filp | any one done any mail filtering with procmail and Maildir format mailboxes? |
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| 12:51.07 | streuner | dobby: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=222343 |
| 12:51.12 | The_Vulture | filp: sure, lots of people have.. |
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| 12:51.41 | filp | The_Vulture: it doesn't seem to direct mail to .folders |
| 12:51.47 | The_Vulture | works fine for me |
| 12:51.48 | filp | The_Vulture: I'm sure it does |
| 12:51.57 | filp | The_Vulture: I'm doing something wrong |
| 12:52.06 | filp | The_Vulture: quite sure of that :o) |
| 12:52.15 | The_Vulture | my mail goes to .maildir/basser/ .maildir/suufa/ etc.. |
| 12:52.30 | The_Vulture | :0 |
| 12:52.30 | The_Vulture | *^List-Id:.*hibernate-devel\.lists\.sourceforge\.net |
| 12:52.30 | The_Vulture | ./.maildir/hibernate-devel/ |
| 12:52.34 | The_Vulture | that's one such rule |
| 12:52.58 | dobby | streuner: thanks ! |
| 12:53.01 | filp | what if I want it to do direct to Maildir/.Personal.Stuff ? |
| 12:53.06 | _jle_ | " /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 12:53.11 | _jle_ | this is my fstab line |
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| 12:53.27 | The_Vulture | specify that directory instead.. *shrugs* be sure to put the / on the end |
| 12:53.30 | The_Vulture | _jle_: how nice for you |
| 12:53.31 | _jle_ | user can mounts |
| 12:53.36 | The_Vulture | sure, the user can mount it |
| 12:53.42 | The_Vulture | but that's got nothing to do with the permissions it has |
| 12:54.02 | The_Vulture | did you go read the mount man page and look at the filesystem mount options like I told you t |
| 12:54.11 | The_Vulture | especially the uid, gid, and umask options |
| 12:54.12 | _jle_ | i chgrp'd to staff |
| 12:54.18 | _jle_ | yeh, i look again tho |
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| 12:59.03 | GomoX | hi |
| 12:59.15 | networm | I've got a problem. All of a sudden, apt-get update stopped working. It first downloads the package lists - then says "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_Release (1)" |
| 12:59.29 | networm | any hints where i should look for a solution? |
| 12:59.33 | jm_ | try another mirror |
| 12:59.38 | networm | i just re-downloaded all lists - but no change |
| 12:59.57 | networm | and i removed all but one line in /etc/sources.list.. and used some different mirrors.. |
| 13:00.21 | GomoX | does anyone know if it's possible to use dual head from a video card that has both a DVI and a standard VGA output? The card included a DVI-to-standardVGA adapter that i assume would be of no use except for this. |
| 13:00.21 | jm_ | well unstable should earn its reputation now and then :P |
| 13:00.26 | networm | what would be a mirror i could try which definitely should work? |
| 13:00.46 | petemc | f.u.d.o works for me |
| 13:00.59 | _jle_ | when i mounts the permision changes |
| 13:01.11 | GomoX | i use de.debian.org |
| 13:01.26 | GomoX | i used es.debian.org but then i realized it sucks and its not updated quickly |
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| 13:01.51 | LonelyOne | networm: what gives a "df -h" ? isn't your var filesystem full ? (could happen) |
| 13:01.52 | networm | hm, i had 'ftp.uk.debian.org'.. |
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| 13:02.19 | networm | no, 56% |
| 13:02.43 | GomoX | full filesystems errors suck |
| 13:02.44 | GomoX | until youve had it a few times you still go nuts when it happens. |
| 13:03.00 | GomoX | its like "everything is b0rked" |
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| 13:03.20 | mfbian | what do you mean full file systems error |
| 13:03.26 | sander__ | can anyone help me set up cups so it works to print out a docuement with an command? |
| 13:03.31 | sander__ | I just managed to print an test page through the cups web interface |
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| 13:03.42 | jm_ | sandman: man lp |
| 13:03.46 | jm_ | sander ^^^^^^ |
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| 13:03.50 | The_Vulture | GomoX: well I used that kinda thing in windows, don't see any reason it wouldn't work in linux, but then again it could depend entirely on the card in question (mine is a GeForce 4 Ti4400 |
| 13:03.59 | belracu | IS there any live cd (like knopix /cool_linux) with uclibc devl tools ? |
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| 13:04.46 | GomoX | The_Vulture: i have an MSI geforce FX5600 |
| 13:05.09 | GomoX | The_Vulture: do you know where can i find help on this? |
| 13:05.12 | belracu | GomoX: thats the new one out in the market |
| 13:05.28 | belracu | GomoX: what is it |
| 13:05.39 | kandinski | GomoX: try #nvidia |
| 13:05.49 | GomoX | belracu: o_O i dont think shes so new im in Argentina stuff takes a little while to come here |
| 13:06.14 | belracu | hehe i am in taiwan |
| 13:06.16 | GomoX | kandinski: good idea |
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| 13:06.20 | belracu | things are new here |
| 13:06.21 | belracu | :P |
| 13:06.23 | tpr | ah, finally here.. :p |
| 13:06.30 | tpr | anyone have an idea if apt is broken atm? |
| 13:06.33 | GomoX | xD |
| 13:06.36 | belracu | well it uses Nvedia gf3 if i am notwrong |
| 13:06.39 | jm_ | GomoX: why don't you consult the manual that came with the card ? |
| 13:06.44 | belracu | so you can try nvedia website |
| 13:06.49 | tpr | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fi.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_Release (1) -- tells me something like this.. |
| 13:07.07 | networm | tpr: i get the same :| |
| 13:07.10 | GomoX | jm_: the manual doesnt say anything about this |
| 13:07.12 | jm_ | hah looks like sid is broken, thank god |
| 13:07.19 | tpr | is it a bug in experimental's apt or..? it says same for ftp.debian.org :/ |
| 13:07.24 | tpr | jm_, and sarge.. |
| 13:07.35 | GomoX | but as i said it came with a dvi2vga adapter, what would be the use for this except dual head? |
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| 13:07.47 | jm_ | GomoX: I'd be surprised if a regular card can drive both at the same time - sure, it can drive tvout and dvi/vga out but ... |
| 13:07.57 | networm | hm, yes, i had 10 different sources for various packages - they always worked. now none works |
| 13:07.59 | LonelyOne | GomoX: get the linux nvidia driver (may be present in apt-get's one too) and look at /usr/share/doc/.../README, there are appendicies with that kind of examples |
| 13:08.03 | The_Vulture | jm_: I wouldn't say my card is far from regular, and it goes ok |
| 13:08.05 | simonrvn | check the bts for the apt issue. saw something about it in apt-listbugs output |
| 13:08.06 | tpr | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fi.debian.org_debian_dists_woody_Release (1) |
| 13:08.28 | tpr | jm_, hahaha, thank god woody is broken too! and haha, the whole debian is broken! |
| 13:08.40 | tpr | s/debian/apt/ -- was it that funney? |
| 13:09.14 | networm | hm, for me it takes 5 minutes to download the packages.. so hard to try many sources |
| 13:09.20 | networm | *packages list |
| 13:09.36 | LonelyOne | jm_, GomoX : gf4 boards can drive both at the same time, providing that dual head thingy, it works well |
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| 13:09.58 | jk- | hi |
| 13:09.59 | belracu | did you know about BBBD protocol |
| 13:10.08 | GomoX | Well i guess gffx should be able to do it too, then :/ |
| 13:10.18 | simonrvn | bbdb you mean, or something else? |
| 13:10.26 | GomoX | at least i hope so because i chose this one over a ti4200 heh |
| 13:10.37 | simonrvn | oh nm. something else |
| 13:10.38 | belracu | BBBD= bread butter bandwidth and Debian :) most essential things for life |
| 13:10.46 | lkthomas | man. 2.6 kernel is not stable |
| 13:10.55 | lkthomas | it's hang sometime |
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| 13:11.00 | lkthomas | couldn't imagine why it's happening |
| 13:11.05 | simonrvn | lkthomas: it's been more stable than 2.4 for me, oddly enough |
| 13:11.07 | _jle_ | my fstab has got rw,users,noauto but in mtab it mounts it as nosuid |
| 13:11.13 | lkthomas | simonrvn, not for me |
| 13:11.15 | lkthomas | sigh |
| 13:11.17 | GomoX | well it's not stable as in "debian woody" but it is officially *stable* |
| 13:11.21 | belracu | lkthomas: check for the processes which hangs the system |
| 13:11.22 | The_Vulture | _jle_: I don't think you're reading much |
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| 13:11.24 | simonrvn | @comfort lkthomas |
| 13:11.25 | jk- | anyone got usr/share/sgml/docbook/dtd/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd available? could you let me know which package it's from ? |
| 13:11.26 | The_Vulture | I even told you which options to look at.. |
| 13:11.29 | ravenbird | There, there, lkthomas. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:11.32 | streuner | lkthomas: the same here, 2.6 kernel is just fine. |
| 13:11.37 | lkthomas | belracu, couldn't do, it's hang and all console is hang |
| 13:11.43 | _jle_ | what do i look for? |
| 13:11.45 | The_Vulture | I've had some freezes and other things with 2.6 (shrugs) |
| 13:11.49 | The_Vulture | _jle_: I already told you.. |
| 13:11.53 | lkthomas | The_Vulture, yes |
| 13:11.54 | jm_ | tpr: funny how I have no problems with stable release ATM |
| 13:11.56 | lkthomas | same as here |
| 13:12.00 | lkthomas | sometime it will auto logout |
| 13:12.03 | lkthomas | no idea why |
| 13:12.08 | belracu | ok try with kernel.org source |
| 13:12.11 | lkthomas | when I am doing something, it's logout |
| 13:12.12 | GomoX | i tried 2.6 but until lm-sensors runs out the box on it im sticking to 2.4 which works great here |
| 13:12.13 | jm_ | GomoX: with different picture on both ? |
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| 13:12.27 | The_Vulture | I upgraded mainly for simplified bluetooth stuff |
| 13:12.32 | The_Vulture | saved a lot ofother hacking around |
| 13:12.34 | belracu | hehe i only belve in kernel.org for stable release |
| 13:12.35 | simonrvn | though it's hit or miss for me. either it freezes hard on boot, or it works better than just about any 2.4.x kernel i've compiled in that last several months |
| 13:12.41 | sander__ | jm_: i've used lp.. tried to print out a document. but it says in the cups log that the document is aborted |
| 13:12.41 | jm_ | ups |
| 13:12.49 | jm_ | LonelyOne: with different picture on both ? |
| 13:12.51 | lkthomas | simonrvn, does it freeze anyway ?! |
| 13:12.54 | LonelyOne | jm_: yep, different display on two different screens |
| 13:13.00 | networm | this time i got a warning from "apt-get update" before the error: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: Could not execute /usr/bin/gpgv to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) |
| 13:13.09 | simonrvn | lkthomas: not when it works ok no. too weird :) |
| 13:13.15 | jm_ | LonelyOne: hmm but then the quality must suffer a lot since it only has one ramdac |
| 13:13.19 | lkthomas | sigh |
| 13:13.22 | jm_ | sander__: what kind of document ? |
| 13:13.40 | lkthomas | I couldn't even reboot |
| 13:13.45 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 13:13.53 | lkthomas | it said that unable to request kernel paging |
| 13:13.59 | lkthomas | and shows up the asm code |
| 13:14.01 | simonrvn | that's what i call a freeze. a lock up IOW |
| 13:14.02 | lkthomas | debug code, I mean |
| 13:14.09 | jm_ | lkthomas: it means you found a kernel bug or you have hardware problems |
| 13:14.09 | simonrvn | oops |
| 13:14.12 | lkthomas | simonrvn, always happening |
| 13:14.18 | lkthomas | jm_, impossible, 2.4 work fine |
| 13:14.19 | simonrvn | an oops rather |
| 13:14.30 | simonrvn | kernel bug obviously |
| 13:14.36 | lkthomas | 2.4 running two months without reboot, no problem |
| 13:14.37 | jm_ | lkthomas: so kernel bug is impossible ? that makes no sense |
| 13:14.50 | lkthomas | jm_, I mean hardware problem is impossible |
| 13:14.52 | LonelyOne | jm_: under winblows (i used it a lot for flight sim, before trying flightgear), no real performance problem, but second display couldn't handle hardw accel, so second display was used only for (mostly) 2d radio stacks and no 3d display |
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| 13:15.13 | jm_ | LonelyOne: ohh I meant if it can drive both with a decent refresh rate and whatnot |
| 13:15.18 | LonelyOne | jm_: i was surprised to see global performances reached using two displays |
| 13:15.23 | simonrvn | i get a nice underscore cursor in 2.6 =) |
| 13:16.00 | lkthomas | I hope 2.6.1 could fix those problem |
| 13:16.10 | LonelyOne | jm_: different resolutions, refresh rates wasn't a problem. but indeed you need a sufficient processor to handle the whole thing i guess |
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| 13:16.26 | simonrvn | i'm building a 2.6.1-rc1.5-ben atm |
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| 13:16.42 | simonrvn | rc1 patched with the mremap fix, etc. |
| 13:16.47 | lkthomas | simonrvn, haha, gcc running got that debug code sometime too |
| 13:16.48 | lkthomas | sigh |
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| 13:16.56 | jm_ | LonelyOne: ohh I only have one monitor so I can only test it with tv-out, but it's good to know it can do it |
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| 13:18.02 | LonelyOne | jm_: [1 screen + tv] you'll probrably be able to watch a movie on your tv screen using xine, while using your desktop on the other :) |
| 13:18.11 | simonrvn | net/ipv6/ipcomp6.c:61: warning: `skb_linearize' is deprecated (declared at include/linux/skbuff.h:1136) -- you'd think they'd update the code if they had tried to build it and saw that ;) |
| 13:18.22 | jm_ | LonelyOne: yes, that's why I'm after |
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| 13:18.40 | enz0 | hi again :) |
| 13:18.47 | jinnee | A programmer of Window can not image if there's no help files in chm format,but it seems that in the linux world chm files are not commonly used,is it true?so what are they using?I can find many things about xml provided by M$ which I can easily use,I just want to know how a user of linux can learn xml |
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| 13:19.08 | _jle_ | man |
| 13:19.34 | w00ter | jinnee: google and man |
| 13:19.45 | simonrvn | jinnee: in the UNIX world, the most common forms of docs are info, man, and html |
| 13:19.50 | KingNato | jinnee: XML you'd likely learn from a book. |
| 13:19.57 | ircdevil | anyone have a working url with debs of openoffice? |
| 13:20.01 | networm | docbook seems to be mentioned sometimes |
| 13:20.06 | networm | (not that i have any idea what it is) |
| 13:20.26 | jm_ | ircdevil: I have used "deb http://ftp.openoffice.tuxfamily.org/openoffice testing main contrib" way back then |
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| 13:20.53 | ircdevil | jm_ ok, the one in the openoffice factoid has been offline for quite some time |
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| 13:21.23 | LonelyOne | ./nwn |
| 13:21.26 | sander__ | when I try to use lpr.. it says I cant connect to the deamon |
| 13:21.30 | sander__ | when I try to use lp... it gets up in the log of cups. but it says its aborted |
| 13:21.35 | sander__ | sorry |
| 13:21.50 | ircdevil | jm_ hmmm no stable packages there :/ |
| 13:21.53 | jm_ | sandman: you need to install cupsys-bsd if you want to use lpr with CUPS |
| 13:22.00 | jm_ | ircdevil: they were for stable back then |
| 13:22.25 | jm_ | ircdevil: 61098938 May 9 2002 uldl/openoffice.org_1.0.0-3_i386.deb |
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| 13:22.37 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 13:22.39 | ircdevil | jm_ elderly |
| 13:22.53 | sander__ | jm_ thanks alot:) |
| 13:22.58 | simonrvn | nah, elderly is 1993 or so ;P |
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| 13:23.28 | simonrvn | caphuso: don't like ghosting yourself? |
| 13:23.35 | jm_ | ircdevil: WFM |
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| 13:23.58 | jinnee | KingNato:I have XML in chinese translated from English,it is really a bullshit.So the only way is to use book?:( |
| 13:24.05 | ircdevil | anyone have a line for sources.list that points to stable openoffice debs ? |
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| 13:24.25 | prologic | Which "ALSA" driver do I use for a: Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI ?? |
| 13:24.55 | simonrvn | prologic: try the ./configure --help |
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| 13:25.03 | prologic | the two obvious ones I have tried don't work. and I keep getting unresolved symbols |
| 13:25.07 | simonrvn | and look under --with-cards. or rtfm |
| 13:25.25 | prologic | eh I'm not compiling it, installing stock kernel and modules |
| 13:25.26 | sander__ | jm_ now I managed to use lpr too, but it still show the job aborted.. just as when I used lp before |
| 13:25.31 | simonrvn | you using the same gcc as you did with the kernel? |
| 13:25.41 | jm_ | sander__: well you'll need to find out more about it then |
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| 13:25.44 | prologic | I'm not compiling the kernel |
| 13:25.52 | prologic | 2.4.22-1-686 |
| 13:25.56 | simonrvn | didn't say you were |
| 13:26.01 | prologic | hmm k |
| 13:26.06 | simonrvn | thjat means nothing to me |
| 13:26.26 | prologic | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-686/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o <-- dunno why I get that though. |
| 13:26.30 | sander__ | jm_: I was hoping you knowed what it was |
| 13:26.34 | prologic | I've installed the alsa kernel modules |
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| 13:26.59 | tpr | hmm, anyone really knows what's broken there now? |
| 13:27.02 | knt | dpkg: jfs |
| 13:27.03 | dpkg | i guess jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ |
| 13:27.05 | knt | !jfs |
| 13:27.09 | simonrvn | prologic: try getting the headers for that kernel, and building it locally (use the same gcc - you can get that from cat /proc/version) |
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| 13:29.55 | networm | tpr: which version is your apt? mine is 0.6.8 |
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| 13:30.14 | jm_ | sander__: try some simple files first, like text files |
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| 13:30.55 | sander__ | jm_: exactly what I just figured out:) |
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| 13:32.00 | networm | hm, that explains it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=225846 now how do i get the unstable apt, without having a working apt nor packages.debian.org |
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| 13:32.18 | jm_ | ever heard of ftp ? or wget ? |
| 13:32.30 | djw | the breadbox factiod has changed |
| 13:32.34 | simonrvn | weee |
| 13:32.44 | djw | peee |
| 13:32.52 | simonrvn | networm: manually download it, and install with dpkg |
| 13:32.54 | ljlane | or a web browser |
| 13:33.06 | sander__ | jm_ it worked with another ps file.. so its a problem with the first ps file I tried.. the first one was a ps file converted to ps from a pdf file by acrobat reader for linux |
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| 13:33.14 | simonrvn | djw: :) |
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| 13:33.27 | jm_ | sander__: yeah could be that, try using lp -o raw if you're sure it won't confuse the printer |
| 13:34.16 | networm | heh, forgot i can just browse the deb archives.. now after everything works again, i must read how to untag the experimental packages. only wanted the DRI driver from it actually :P |
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| 13:34.59 | McQuaid | hello all |
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| 13:35.19 | McQuaid | i've ignored this for ages but it's been bugging me with some apps |
| 13:35.26 | McQuaid | i can't get win/lin to agree on the time |
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| 13:35.41 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | What's the debian way to disable a service (e.g. samba) ? |
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| 13:35.44 | McQuaid | i've read to remove /etc/adjtime, which i just did, but upon reboot it's back |
| 13:35.54 | jm_ | McQuaid: try editing rcS file |
| 13:36.11 | djw | McQuaid: I guess that's because linux thinks the system clock is set to GMT and windows things it's set to the local time |
| 13:36.48 | djw | wouldn't tzconfig be helpful? |
| 13:36.53 | jm_ | no |
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| 13:37.20 | jm_ | well it really depends, it might but then his time would be wrong anyway |
| 13:37.22 | sander__ | jm_: no.. it didnt worked.. |
| 13:37.41 | jm_ | sander__: is your printer capable of accepting postscript data ? |
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| 13:37.57 | McQuaid | ok well in rcS the sym link is S18hwclockfirst.sh. just rename to s18hwclockfirst.sh ? |
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| 13:38.07 | jm_ | McQuaid: no, /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:38.15 | sander__ | maybe if I could find another program which can edit pdf files.. and convert it to ps files |
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| 13:38.49 | McQuaid | ah i see that, it's set to UTC |
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| 13:38.53 | McQuaid | i'll change that |
| 13:39.01 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | What's the debian way to disable a service (e.g. samba) ? |
| 13:39.03 | sander__ | oh.. something fucked up.. |
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| 13:39.19 | ljlane | sander__, print to file in openoffice? |
| 13:39.21 | holycow | muppets apt-get remove |
| 13:39.23 | holycow | *giggle* |
| 13:39.25 | holycow | hahaha j/k :) |
| 13:39.28 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | rofl |
| 13:39.31 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | honestly |
| 13:39.32 | simonrvn | [MUPPETS]Rizzo: for instance? disable like what? stop it, or remove it from starting up? what? |
| 13:39.42 | sander__ | but I guess I cant edit pdf files in openoffice? |
| 13:39.45 | ljlane | sander__, then again, I think it only exports pdf, doesn't open them. |
| 13:39.45 | holycow | muppets, kidden i'm a newb, i donno :) |
| 13:39.46 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | simonrvn: Disable at startup |
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| 13:39.56 | simonrvn | [MUPPETS]Rizzo: man update-rc.d |
| 13:40.03 | sander__ | ljlane: yep.. what I also have figured out |
| 13:40.07 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/samba exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 13:40.08 | jm_ | sander__: pdf2ps |
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| 13:40.27 | sander__ | thx.. trying:) |
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| 13:41.41 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | simonrvn: "(use -f to force)" that sounds like there is a problem |
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| 13:42.50 | simonrvn | [MUPPETS]Rizzo: don't worry about it. i'd make a note what levels it was symlinked to, but other than that i wouldn,t worry |
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| 13:43.55 | blammo | i just tried to get kernel-package and all the mirrors said "failed to fetch file." why would all my mirrors do this? |
| 13:44.08 | sander__ | I tried to convert the ps file back to pdf.. and it says the ps file was created by an encrypted pdf file.. (acrobat reader) |
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| 13:44.18 | jelly | Hi, I have apache failing with "Child 18941 returned a Fatal error... Apache is exiting!" on i386/woody, anoye seen this? |
| 13:44.42 | jelly | s/anoye/anyone/ |
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| 13:45.03 | McQuaid | ok still the time is off |
| 13:45.16 | sander__ | guess I cant use acrobat reader for editing pdf files.. |
| 13:45.21 | McQuaid | do i have to do something with hwclock as well? i just want linux to take the time from the bios |
| 13:45.26 | sander__ | I need another client |
| 13:45.28 | jm_ | sander__: it's called reader, so no you can't |
| 13:45.30 | blammo | how do i edit the xauth file to allow screen (gnuscreen, the program) to run x? |
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| 13:45.50 | jm_ | blammo: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
| 13:45.53 | jm_ | also man xauth |
| 13:45.55 | sander__ | arg.. I want acrobat writer;) |
| 13:46.13 | sander__ | anyway.. it must exist another tool for editing pdf files |
| 13:46.23 | jm_ | yes, adobe is selling that |
| 13:46.33 | [MUPPETS]Rizzo | simonrvn: thx |
| 13:46.38 | sander__ | for linux?.. I hope? |
| 13:46.42 | sander__ | hmm.. |
| 13:46.43 | jm_ | no idea |
| 13:46.59 | sander__ | I guess.. since they have acrobat reader for linux |
| 13:47.04 | simonrvn | ps2pdf, or similar tools |
| 13:47.06 | jm_ | don't bet on it |
| 13:47.16 | McQuaid | hwclock is the bios time no? |
| 13:47.19 | simonrvn | pdf2ps, etc. |
| 13:47.30 | hackeron | hey, I would like to partition my drive for /var /tmp and /usr to be on separate partitions, hense a similar structure to freeBSD with home located under /usr .. how much space do I allocate to each partition? |
| 13:47.49 | blammo | jm_: I don't want to run everything in x as root, i just want to be able to startup x as a non-console user from screen, but *not* from anywhere else that is non-console. |
| 13:47.49 | jm_ | hackeron: I recommend 200TB for /home |
| 13:47.51 | simonrvn | depends on your needs |
| 13:47.56 | sander__ | I guess it wont work to use pdf2ps and then edit the ps document just as it was a pdf document.. couse its forms I need to fill out in the pdf document |
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| 13:48.13 | jm_ | blammo: now that's a totally different problem - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 13:48.19 | simonrvn | sander__: yeh it won,t work for that i think |
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| 13:48.44 | silas- | If I have a bunch of hosts behind a NAT firewall, what would be an effective way to work around the host key problem with SSH? I Have port 2270 forwarded to the machine at 192.168.1.70 and 2280 forwarded to 192.168.1.80, etc... ? |
| 13:48.48 | mark_F | hi all, when backporting a package from testing to stable, what should I add where to get the -woody on the end of the filename/ |
| 13:48.50 | sander__ | hmm... anyway.. i'll print it out.. and fill the info out manually.. |
| 13:48.55 | sander__ | thx for the help guys |
| 13:49.00 | blammo | jm_: dpkg-reconfigure isn't *that* powerful, to only let one non-console user start x and no one else... how would it do that? |
| 13:49.17 | jm_ | blammo: you can't unless you change startx scriot for example |
| 13:49.44 | somiaj | hackeron: you may not want a /tmp partition and just consider it part of root, cause in most cases /tmp is barely used, but on the other hand programs such as mozilla will download into it first thus it might be nice to have a little bit of space in it....another option is to use tmpfs for /tmp. |
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| 13:50.59 | Smirker | hey i did a full apt-get install for everything :/ |
| 13:51.02 | Smirker | but i was in root when i did it |
| 13:51.09 | Smirker | anyway to get all my shortcuts to my normal acct? |
| 13:51.12 | blammo | woowww. i just came back from being on vacation for two weeks and suddenly there's 108mb of upgrades for testing. something happen that i missed? |
| 13:51.34 | holycow | nuffin its just debian |
| 13:51.41 | holycow | it grows exponentially :) |
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| 13:52.09 | somiaj | silas-: you can either turn force checking off in ssh so it will just yell at ya but allow you to connect, or add multiple entries to the outside ip in your host file so each machine has a different 'name' to ssh to. |
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| 13:53.17 | somiaj | Smirker: what do you mean by shortcuts? |
| 13:53.19 | silas- | somiaj: OK, I'm already half way there with the second option. I have a bunch of names defined in ~/.ssh/config so it goes to the right port, etc.. when I just type "ssh otto" So in known_hosts, it would look like otto,<internet_ip> <key> |
| 13:53.23 | silas- | somiaj: Thanks |
| 13:53.41 | Smirker | like in my menu |
| 13:54.01 | Smirker | somiaj: Internet > usually has like GAIM and XCHAT, it only has default stuff |
| 13:54.30 | somiaj | Smirker: do you have menu installed, it should update it automatically, though you may need to log out and back in to see the effects (can't think of how to refresh the menus once loge in) |
| 13:54.59 | Smirker | somiaj: i logged in as root to install.. then logged out and logged in as normal user, maybe a reboot? |
| 13:55.13 | Smirker | somiaj: question - do different accounts have their own shortcuts etc? |
| 13:55.49 | somiaj | Smirker: na a reboot isn't needed, what are you using, gnome, kde...in gnome they first use a global menu that is the same for all users, then each user can modify that global menu in their personal menu by adding and removing options. |
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| 13:56.21 | livebait | anyone recommend a 75 dollar-ish video card so I can play quake 3 on a linux box? |
| 13:56.35 | Smirker | somiaj: yeah, gnome |
| 13:56.43 | Smirker | somiaj: how would i just copy all the shortcuts? |
| 13:56.59 | silas- | livebait: as fast an nvidia card as you can get for $75? |
| 13:57.00 | Smirker | somiaj: from root to my normal acct? |
| 13:57.36 | silas- | livebait: But their drives are closed, so some people will tell you using it will cause kittens to die. =) |
| 13:57.37 | somiaj | livebait: if ya live in the states, check out pricewatch.com. |
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| 13:58.06 | livebait | silas,somiaj, thanks |
| 13:58.08 | silas- | livebait: #nvidia has info on what it takes to get 3D working in Linux on their cards. |
| 13:58.38 | somiaj | Smirker: it should happen automitacally that stuff gets added to all your users menu, maybe try to run '/usr/bin/update-menus' and make sure you have the package 'menu' installed. |
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| 13:59.38 | silas- | somiaj: OK, the problem is that I have "Host otto" defined in my .ssh/config, and it's got the entry "Hostname moes.ath.cx" If I change the name in known_hosts it just re-adds it as moes.ath.cx on the next connect... |
| 13:59.57 | Covener | Praise the lord, gaim updates in unstable! |
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| 14:00.18 | Smirker | somiaj: alright thx.. i have a .deb package and it has other dependencies.. i thought it would install them automatically but its not.. is there anything i have to change/do/add? |
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| 14:01.30 | somiaj | silas-: I never messed with the .ssh/config, when I ran into that problem I just added the line 'ip host1 host2 host3' to my /etc/hosts file, and I just use ssh -p port1 host1, ssh -p port2 host2 to get to the different hosts, it does give me a warning each time, but I'm able to connect. |
| 14:01.31 | lkthomas | anyone know if there have 40pin SCSI HD ? |
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| 14:01.41 | Smirker | im trying apt-get -f install atm |
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| 14:01.50 | Smirker | seems to be downloading stuff looking like i need |
| 14:02.15 | somiaj | Smirker: once menu is installed it should add most X programs to the menu automatically. |
| 14:02.27 | zu22 | is there the latest java SDK packaged for sid, i can't find anything in 'apt-cache search'? |
| 14:02.31 | silas- | somiaj: Hrm. OK, I think I need to investigate more. I can connect too, but it disables password auth, forwarding, etc... |
| 14:02.49 | Smirker | somiaj: hmm.. well if thats not the case, could i copy my shortcuts across? (like is there a folder or something?) |
| 14:03.10 | thebug | lkthomas:a 40 pin?! surely you mean 50 |
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| 14:03.31 | lkthomas | thebug, but I saw the HD manual say it's 40pin |
| 14:03.33 | somiaj | zu22: there have never been any offical java packages (as its non-free) for debian, there have been varrious unoffical ones, but I've just always used the binarys from sun. |
| 14:03.56 | zu22 | somiaj: ah so u install the binary in /usr/local? |
| 14:04.06 | g4lt | lkthomas there EXISTS a 40-pin SCSI plug, on the old Sun external drives. I've never seen one of those more than about 80M though |
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| 14:04.31 | thebug | lkthomas:it's not something anywhere near common then |
| 14:04.33 | somiaj | zu22: yup, and to get the plugins working you need to do 2 main things, a) put a link the the plugin dir and b) put the java bins in your $PATH |
| 14:04.38 | silas- | somiaj: Ah, I can just hate multiple entries. =) Just added the keys ass having the same name and it will try them all. |
| 14:04.43 | silas- | s/hate/have/ |
| 14:04.46 | zu22 | somiaj: ok thanks~ |
| 14:04.51 | silas- | Man I can't type today. |
| 14:04.59 | lkthomas | g4lt, really ?! hmm |
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| 14:05.32 | somiaj | silas-: yea can't help ya there, when I ran across that problem I found an easy fix, though I wasn't wanting any complicated with ssh. |
| 14:05.56 | silas- | somiaj: right on. Thanks for the help, you got me where I needed to be regardless. =) |
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| 14:06.34 | lkthomas | 40pin is fiber channel ?! |
| 14:06.35 | zu22 | . |
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| 14:06.47 | g4lt | lkthomas no |
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| 14:07.11 | codswallop | is there any client that can display webcam images from msn chat sessions? |
| 14:07.19 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 14:07.20 | g4lt | lkthomas of course, you COULD STFW yourself |
| 14:08.20 | lkthomas | g4lt, http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/spec/fc/st136403fc.html |
| 14:08.26 | blammo | my computer is violently flashing off, and then coming back up instantly without rebooting, at the same screen i left it at |
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| 14:08.33 | lkthomas | g4lt, 40pin ?! |
| 14:08.37 | blammo | it's done it twice in the last minute |
| 14:08.40 | jono | anyone use vnc here? |
| 14:08.42 | blammo | any ideas? |
| 14:08.48 | jm_ | jono: yes |
| 14:08.49 | blammo | jono: i've used vnc. |
| 14:08.50 | jono | I cant connect to a windows vnc server |
| 14:08.59 | jono | I am using xvncviewer |
| 14:09.04 | jm_ | WFM |
| 14:09.14 | jono | WFM? |
| 14:09.17 | jm_ | ~+WFM |
| 14:09.19 | | well, wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications. |
| 14:09.19 | madness | "works for me" |
| 14:09.23 | somiaj | blammo: bad video card/monintor? |
| 14:09.27 | jm_ | ohh ;P |
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| 14:09.43 | jono | is it: xvncviewer 192.168.0.102:1 |
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| 14:09.59 | jm_ | jono: try just xvcnviewer hstname or IP |
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| 14:10.10 | jono | when I do that I type the password in and it segfaults |
| 14:10.21 | jm_ | heh |
| 14:10.21 | madness | cute |
| 14:10.33 | madness | is that xvncviewer installed from apt-sources ? |
| 14:10.37 | jono | yeah |
| 14:10.47 | madness | what distribution version are you running ? |
| 14:10.53 | jono | woody |
| 14:11.06 | blammo | somiaj: never happened before. good video card, well, should be good enough to not do *that*, but everything else flashed off too. the modem, printer, everything. |
| 14:11.18 | madness | jono: I suggest you check for bugreports |
| 14:11.23 | jono | hmmm |
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| 14:11.32 | madness | jono: if nothing obvious arises, then strace the binary |
| 14:11.34 | jm_ | maybe he's runing some sort of nonstadard VNC server |
| 14:11.38 | jono | does anyone have a public VNC server I can test with |
| 14:11.42 | jono | strace? |
| 14:11.43 | somiaj | blammo: strange, but after it flashes off it comes back to right where it was, and still works...odd. |
| 14:12.00 | LoRez | zu22: don't do that. |
| 14:12.06 | madness | jono: strace is a program that will show you all the system calls that a binary makes |
| 14:12.07 | zu22 | lorez: sorry |
| 14:12.08 | blammo | somiaj: it might just be that it flashed off and back quick enough that things worked? i dunno. |
| 14:12.22 | LoRez | zu22: are you looking for something in particular? |
| 14:12.26 | lkthomas | g4lt, it's fiber channel |
| 14:12.37 | madness | jono: it's very verbose, but you can normally work out *why* it is segfaulting, if you read carefully. |
| 14:12.42 | zu22 | lorez: just curious what clients u freenode ops use heh |
| 14:12.53 | LoRez | zu22: asking is more polite ;) |
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| 14:13.30 | zu22 | lorez: ok~ :) |
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| 14:13.37 | SlayerXP | my /ver will tell you all you need to know about my irc client |
| 14:13.38 | somiaj | blammo: still strange behivour. |
| 14:14.08 | ccg | does the "vga=ask" option in lilo.conf only work with framebuffer device ? |
| 14:14.09 | zu22 | slayerxp: ah cool, i wasn't aware of /ver command |
| 14:14.34 | blammo | somiaj: a journalling filesystem shouldn't make it do that, right? |
| 14:14.37 | zu22 | slayerxp: let me guess "phoenix.irc" hehe ;) |
| 14:14.37 | somiaj | zu22: though its still polite to ask and not go probing people. |
| 14:14.49 | zu22 | somiaj: ok, i won't do that, sorry guys |
| 14:15.01 | blammo | somiaj: well, it's done now. hasn't been doing it for a little while. |
| 14:15.17 | somiaj | blammo: I wouldn't think so, I use journalling and have never experienced anything like that. |
| 14:15.20 | SlayerXP | zu22: that's a good guess. |
| 14:15.29 | SlayerXP | you're wrong, but a good guess nonetheless |
| 14:15.37 | zu22 | slayerxp: :P |
| 14:15.44 | blammo | somiaj: well, i'm happy with it. it's more convenient... =] |
| 14:16.18 | Covener | Debian by default has /root world readable, correct? |
| 14:16.28 | Smirker | kmess depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.1.2); however: |
| 14:16.28 | Smirker | Package libqt3-mt is not installed. |
| 14:16.38 | Smirker | i get that error when installing a .deb package |
| 14:16.43 | Smirker | shouldnt it automatically download that? |
| 14:16.47 | somiaj | Covener: I think most stuff is world readable by default, include /home/* as well. |
| 14:17.23 | Covener | somiaj: k just verifying -- rhas and sles giving me trouble b/c of /root being readonly :( |
| 14:18.06 | somiaj | Smirker: apt-get isn't always the best at getting things, try using a real package manger like aptitude or just install that pacakge as well in your command line. |
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| 14:18.56 | zu22 | time for some scrambled eggs with mushrooms for breakfast, laters~~ |
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| 14:19.05 | jono | hi, just before xvncview segfaults I get: |
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| 14:19.12 | jono | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct |
| 14:19.15 | jono | any idea? |
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| 14:20.44 | jono | anyone? |
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| 14:21.02 | somiaj | !tell Antigraviton about root. |
| 14:21.03 | pmfp | ~tell Antigraviton about root |
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| 14:21.51 | somiaj | jono: usually warnings dont' cause segfaults, so my guess is it may be something else that is the matter (don't know anything about vnc though) |
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| 14:22.28 | confrey | hi people |
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| 14:22.50 | confrey | can anybody help me to configure a Zyxel600? |
| 14:23.01 | streuner | router? |
| 14:23.09 | somiaj | !tell confrey about ask |
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| 14:24.25 | confrey | yes, it's an ADSL router, I wnat to redirect HTTP traffic to a local IP, but I can't compile the mask of the filtering screen |
| 14:24.43 | confrey | can anybody help about? |
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| 14:25.15 | petemc | "compile the mask of the filtering screen"? |
| 14:25.18 | streuner | confrey: filtering screen, can you connect to the router via browser? |
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| 14:25.45 | streuner | or just via telnet? |
| 14:25.54 | w00ter | confrey: just set a port forward, check your router documents for how to do this. I don't see how this is Debian related either. |
| 14:26.09 | jm_ | maybe he wants to forward it to debian box ;P |
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| 14:26.18 | streuner | hehe |
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| 14:26.38 | confrey | streuner : I'm connected to the router via telnet, I'm at school now |
| 14:26.41 | blammo | 0~g |
| 14:26.48 | streuner | w00ter: anyway, firmware uses it own rules... |
| 14:27.18 | confrey | I try to set the destination IP address, but it says it's not correct... |
| 14:27.34 | streuner | confrey: DHCP? |
| 14:27.40 | confrey | no |
| 14:27.49 | jono | when I run vncviewer I get Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font |
| 14:27.57 | streuner | so you have an IP, that's allright then |
| 14:28.02 | Misirlou | Sweet, ISO 8859. |
| 14:28.17 | jm_ | jono: install more fonts or fix your FontPath |
| 14:28.19 | confrey | static IP, I have apache installed on 192.168.1.29, I want to redirect HTTP to that machine |
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| 14:28.46 | jono | jm_: where can I get an ISO8859 font? |
| 14:28.46 | streuner | confrey: well, use the right command to set it to port 80 with 192.168.129 |
| 14:29.11 | SlayerXP | confrey: when your car needs fixing, do you take it to your local pet shop? |
| 14:29.11 | jm_ | jono: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 14:29.35 | streuner | confrey: incoming traffic, port 80 to 192.168.1.29 port 80 |
| 14:29.43 | confrey | streuner : there are many other options, I don't know what is missing |
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| 14:29.52 | Smirker | whats kde package name i can use in apt-get install ? |
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| 14:30.04 | jono | jm_: this wont break my X will it? |
| 14:30.06 | streuner | confrey: we either, we don't have any manuals here ;-) |
| 14:30.08 | SlayerXP | Smirker: 'kde' |
| 14:30.17 | confrey | ok, thanks |
| 14:30.20 | nk_root66 | hi there. my k3b just breaks after 4 mins or so with "cdrecord.mmap: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error" any suggestions? |
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| 14:31.07 | streuner | confrey: at home, just take a look at the manual, usually routers have an GUI-interfaces via browser, that might help a lot... |
| 14:31.09 | jm_ | jono: it shouldn't |
| 14:31.43 | streuner | confrey: it should called Port-Redirection or such. |
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| 14:33.02 | ccg | in the console whatever resolution i choose the last line is not displayed on my notebook, does anybody know how i reduce the screen size ? |
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| 14:33.10 | ccg | +can |
| 14:33.18 | streuner | confrey: don't /msg me, only when people allow you it. |
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| 14:33.56 | blammo | is there a utility or some way to see how ie would handle a webpage for testing purposes? |
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| 14:34.03 | confrey | streuner : ok, excuse me, I proposed to paste the output, so you can help me, may be |
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| 14:34.28 | imho | hi :] |
| 14:34.36 | w00ter | confrey: #flood |
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| 14:35.05 | imho | which package cointain ppm2mpeg? |
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| 14:35.15 | jm_ | imho: read the faq |
| 14:35.17 | versuchsanstalt | should i include security updates to a 'testing' sources list? |
| 14:35.24 | streuner | !tell imho about search |
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| 14:35.31 | imho | jm_: i read it... ok again :) |
| 14:35.32 | SlayerXP | versuchsanstalt: no |
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| 14:35.43 | versuchsanstalt | SlayerXP: thank you. |
| 14:35.46 | DrAsabone | versuchsanstalt: mai visto robe del genere in testing |
| 14:35.46 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: hell no, it's only for stable/woody |
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| 14:36.05 | DrAsabone | sorry wrong window |
| 14:36.21 | Smirker | i type apt-get install kde - and it comes up with missing dependency kdeadmin kde-core etc etc.. i dont think my apt-get auto-downloads dependencies.. how do i fix this?? |
| 14:36.22 | ccg | is there a command to change the screen size ? |
| 14:36.46 | bizkit | hi, which debian package should i use for an athlonXP? mplayer-686 or the mplayer-k7 package? |
| 14:36.55 | w00ter | ~tell Smirker about install x |
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| 14:37.02 | streuner | bizkit: k7 |
| 14:37.31 | LoRez | ccg: if your laptop won't display 25 lines by default, it's broke |
| 14:38.18 | confrey | ok, I pasted the output fo router into #flood, can anybody help me? |
| 14:38.39 | ccg | LoRez: in windows the display works normal |
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| 14:38.56 | LoRez | ccg: that's graphical. you're in text mode on the console. |
| 14:38.57 | Smirker | w00ter: my x window system is installed.. my apt-get doesnt auto download dependencies (or some of them :/) |
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| 14:39.01 | GomoX | hi |
| 14:39.17 | w00ter | Smirker: try using dselect or aptitude |
| 14:39.31 | ccg | LoRez: it even displays 40 lines in fb-mode but always the last line is missing |
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| 14:41.02 | imho | jm_: i read faq, but sill i dont; know what mus i do to capturing screen to movie :( |
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| 14:41.24 | testje | hello |
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| 14:41.52 | testje | Linux wont run on my PPC , so i was sugested to try a debian build |
| 14:41.56 | imho | testje: hi :P |
| 14:42.25 | testje | any idea's |
| 14:42.40 | w00ter | testje: Debian is linux |
| 14:42.50 | jm_ | imho: the FAQ will help you find ppm2mpeg command - as I said, man xvidcap |
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| 14:43.10 | testje | well , but it should run on ppc |
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| 14:43.34 | testje | & this model is way too old too run os x |
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| 14:44.07 | w00ter | yeh there is a PPC version |
| 14:44.07 | testje | ( 7500 with 604e 132 Mhz 32 Mb Ram 1,3 Gb HD ) |
| 14:44.07 | wobbler | testje have you looked at yellowdog linux? |
| 14:44.14 | testje | yepp |
| 14:44.19 | simonrvn | testje: yes, that will run |
| 14:44.20 | testje | installer hangs |
| 14:44.29 | simonrvn | testje: #debianppc |
| 14:44.59 | testje | okay thanks i'll ask there |
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| 14:45.37 | gospelgreg | brainstorm??? |
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| 14:47.07 | majkl | Hello, I have problem with my mailbox, it write: Can't open inbox (file /var/mail/hancinov): not in valid folder format ..on google I found utility with name fixmail, but I can't find this command in debian..And also I found one interesting message: when I do grep From /var/mail/hancinov it write Binary file /var/mail/hancinov matches (and I think it should be only text file) any ideas ? |
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| 14:51.04 | blammo | could losing power and suddenly regaining, if the whole computer is on a surge protector. |
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| 14:51.26 | imho | jm_: i read faqu, man, doc/ and still i dont know how capture screen, can you help me? |
| 14:51.27 | LoRez | blammo: could it what? |
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| 14:51.52 | jm_ | imho: read xvidcap docs, it's trivial - or do you want a picture of your desktop only ? |
| 14:51.58 | Kano | hi! does anyone use debian SID and could compile SIM-ICQ 0.9.2 ? |
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| 14:52.13 | blammo | LoRez: errr, good point. could it kill a keyboard? |
| 14:52.16 | Kano | i only can compile 0.9.1 - i can compile even the cvs release but not 0.9.2... |
| 14:52.32 | Zap-W | what is the nspluginexecutable konqueror is complaining about that being missing |
| 14:52.48 | LoRez | blammo: I suppose so, but I'd think it'd take out the keyboard controller first |
| 14:52.53 | imho | jm_: i wont to make movie with dumped screen, i read doc but i dindt find any interesting there :( |
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| 14:53.27 | neib | In which directory ALSA must settle? |
| 14:53.36 | blammo | LoRez: well, i can use a different keyboard. that's what i'm doing now. it wouldn't even respond to capslock/numlock/scrolllock. nothing lit up, even. |
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| 14:54.38 | LoRez | blammo: it might've just freaked it out, did you try that kb again? |
| 14:54.39 | scrooch | hi, how do I obtain STP drivers for my printer, please? |
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| 14:54.54 | jm_ | imho: try gvidcap |
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| 14:55.07 | imho | jm_: ok |
| 14:55.14 | toni | hi guys, how is it possible to have a image background in the textual shell of debian (tty) like in mdk 9.2? thanks |
| 14:55.17 | BubbaG | im having trouble with a boot disk can anyone help, shall i paste in here or flood ? |
| 14:55.17 | jm_ | imho: or just run xvidcap, it has a GUI for christ's sake |
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| 14:55.36 | jelly | toni: what, in console? |
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| 14:55.38 | GomoX | toni: you need the kernel framebuffer for that |
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| 14:55.50 | toni | <jelly> yes in console |
| 14:55.53 | Active2 | bootsplash :) |
| 14:55.56 | Active2 | nice |
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| 14:56.08 | toni | yes bootsplash |
| 14:56.13 | blammo | LoRez: i did. restarted once and tried it. i prolly shouldn't be on, even with a surge protector. our power is spiking up and down for some reason. |
| 14:56.22 | GomoX | oh you mean a "loading" screen for the kernel loading or a background on the shell? |
| 14:56.28 | LoRez | blammo: yeah, get a ups |
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| 14:56.52 | toni | <GomoX> i mean a background on the shell (not in X). |
| 14:57.02 | Active2 | GomoX: that two yes :) |
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| 14:57.17 | blammo | LoRez: i plan on it. are there any that will tell linux to powerdown at the end of the battery life? |
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| 14:57.38 | GomoX | toni: i mean you want to type commands on top of that background, i assume |
| 14:57.39 | GomoX | you need the kernel framebuffer for that and bootsplash for the "loading" screen |
| 14:57.39 | jelly | toni: i've once did that with mplayer and vidix driver, but that's probably not what MDK uses |
| 14:57.48 | blammo | LoRez: it'd be really orgasmic if it could boot it back up, too, when power comes back. =] |
| 14:57.57 | LoRez | blammo: lots. I just bought an APC 1500VA one for 200USD that works with linux's USB drivers |
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| 14:58.27 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 14:58.28 | | Failed |
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| 14:58.40 | streuner | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 14:58.48 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 14:58.50 | GomoX | duh i got a 1000VA one here for US$60 |
| 14:58.50 | GomoX | 3 UPS ports, 3 stabilized ones |
| 14:58.55 | Active2 | toni: you need frame buffer support and from mentors.debian.net the bootsplash |
| 14:59.23 | LoRez | blammo: for that it may cost more. you'd need a true smart one for that. some of the better ones you can tell how much of a charge you want on the battery before it powers the load back on. |
| 14:59.34 | toni | GomoX: yes i have the framebuffer and i use the debian fblogo. I'd like to have something like a swirl on the background of the console...nice |
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| 14:59.48 | LoRez | GomoX: you get what you pay for. |
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| 14:59.51 | blammo | LoRez: hmm. i'm not sure i have too much money. that'd just be nice. |
| 14:59.56 | GomoX | LoRez: do you have an athlon? |
| 15:00.03 | toni | thanks active2. |
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| 15:00.11 | madness | toni: ewww, eww, eww. |
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| 15:00.17 | madness | toni: in the background of the console ??? |
| 15:00.17 | blammo | reccomendations of processors? i386, of course. |
| 15:00.27 | madness | toni: wouldn't that make it really annoying to use ? |
| 15:00.35 | toni | <madness> yes in the background |
| 15:00.45 | LoRez | GomoX: I haven't actually bought a processor in several years. |
| 15:00.47 | toni | i don't think so |
| 15:00.50 | Active2 | madness: :P |
| 15:01.01 | GomoX | then you dont get what you dont pay for |
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| 15:01.02 | madness | toni: colours of fonts and such. |
| 15:01.04 | GomoX | xD |
| 15:01.20 | shell | Isnt it possible to make sed replace something directly in a file, instead of piping the output to a new one? |
| 15:01.30 | thomas_adam | shell: yes |
| 15:01.31 | madness | toni: that, to me, is as annoying as transparent x/whatever/terms |
| 15:01.31 | LoRez | GomoX: no, I get what I pay for, I just also get what I don't pay for. |
| 15:01.43 | GomoX | yeah sure what are you god? |
| 15:01.54 | shell | thomas_adam: alright .. |
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| 15:02.46 | toni | madness: it's very nice to have a debian swirl background on the X-less server! |
| 15:03.01 | madness | toni: to me it's eyecandy that makes something less usuable. |
| 15:03.07 | madness | toni: that would give me a headache |
| 15:03.37 | Active2 | madness: i've the matrix in the background of my console :) |
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| 15:03.57 | madness | Active2: "the matrix" ? you mean the dropping numbers and symbols and stuff ? |
| 15:04.05 | Active2 | yes that stuff |
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| 15:04.20 | shell | thomas_adam: Could you be more specific? |
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| 15:04.24 | madness | Active2: omfg. |
| 15:04.38 | madness | Active2: that's a horrid idea. |
| 15:04.44 | Active2 | madness: :) |
| 15:04.49 | Active2 | it looks nice |
| 15:05.17 | madness | "it looks pretty, but slows me down ten times when I'm trying to read" |
| 15:05.18 | toni | thanks everybody for debia bootsplash!!! bye |
| 15:05.21 | GomoX | i think ill build a cradle for my usb camera, im SO lazy to plug the cable all the time |
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| 15:05.27 | petemc | Active2: how did you achieve that effect? which terminal do you use? |
| 15:05.35 | Active2 | madness: that's true |
| 15:05.51 | Active2 | petemc: framebuffer console in the kernel and bootsplash from mentors.debian.net |
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| 15:06.37 | madness | bootsplashes are one thing. Eyecandy for the sake of eyecandy is a matter of taste, but eyecandy that makes something unusable is another matter. |
| 15:06.38 | Active2 | madness: the only problem i have is that it works on 1024x768 @ 60Hz and that's not nice :( |
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| 15:06.48 | DaDuck | high |
| 15:06.54 | Active2 | madness: it's only my workstation |
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| 15:07.13 | madness | Active2: well, just so long as no-one else has to use it |
| 15:07.26 | shell | Is it possible to purge all installed packages from testing, and install them from stable?! Think I got a pretty good mixup, want to start from sratch! |
| 15:07.30 | Active2 | madness: exactly |
| 15:07.31 | DaDuck | anybody in here who is willing and able to assist |
| 15:07.40 | Active2 | DaDuck: maybe |
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| 15:07.43 | madness | but it just makes no sense to me. |
| 15:07.47 | Active2 | when you tell us your problem |
| 15:07.50 | Active2 | maybe we can help |
| 15:07.56 | blammo | how do I get java working in mozilla firebird .7? |
| 15:07.58 | madness | DaDuck: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 15:08.00 | ircdevil | galeon url line behaves strangely. i cannot paste text to it. and it crashes if i try to paste from it ? font problem ? locale problem ? |
| 15:08.07 | DaDuck | i've installed corellinux on an P166 |
| 15:08.15 | madness | DaDuck: this is #debian |
| 15:08.19 | DaDuck | 3 disks |
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| 15:08.22 | thomas_adam | DaDuck: ha. I have that :) |
| 15:08.25 | DaDuck | the core is debian |
| 15:08.26 | chris`work | ircdevil: My theory is that galeon never works correctly |
| 15:08.29 | Active2 | DaDuck: why corellinux ? |
| 15:08.32 | madness | DaDuck: but it isn't debian |
| 15:08.34 | thomas_adam | DaDuck: WTF? |
| 15:08.43 | ircdevil | chris`work begone |
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| 15:08.49 | DaDuck | cos i was available and not to expansivre |
| 15:08.51 | madness | DaDuck: it may be based on debian, but it isn't debian. we only support debian here. |
| 15:08.54 | DaDuck | old machine old OS |
| 15:08.56 | hacim | how do I get video/quicktime working as a plugin in mozilla? |
| 15:09.01 | DaDuck | ow.. ok |
| 15:09.02 | chris`work | DaDuck: uh, debian is free and will install on your 166 |
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| 15:09.10 | madness | DaDuck: debian woody will work fine on your P166 |
| 15:09.17 | grendel | I'm on a debian sid, I've got gnome and wmaker installed. I would like to switch from gnome to wmaker and I've tried this with update-alternatives --config x-window-manager now when I start X I'm in wmaker but sometimes gnome desktop starts.... someone can help me? How can I switch from a desktop enviroment to a window manager? |
| 15:09.18 | simonrvn | it will on m68k ffs ;) |
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| 15:09.20 | chimaera | hi, is anyone using nicotine? (the app!). all server actions are greyed out here.. |
| 15:09.25 | shell | thomas_adam: Do you remember how you made sed replace directly? |
| 15:09.25 | DaDuck | where should i chat to get some unix (linemode linux) help? |
| 15:09.30 | Active2 | i'm running debian on a p90 and p60 (very optimized kernels) |
| 15:09.42 | madness | DaDuck: several of the modern distributions will run just fine on hardware that old |
| 15:09.51 | petemc | chimaera: works fine here, damn good soulseek client too |
| 15:09.52 | thomas_adam | shell: use perl...perl -ip -e's/this/that' some_file.txt |
| 15:10.20 | chimaera | petemc: ;) .. are you using the sid-package? |
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| 15:10.28 | DaDuck | madness: thnx.. maybe next installation, it's my first try |
| 15:10.34 | petemc | chimaera: yeah |
| 15:10.43 | madness | DaDuck: definitely debian and slackware, possibly one of the 7.x redhats too |
| 15:10.44 | Korn | hey what's wrong with wine for sid? |
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| 15:10.58 | glick | excuse me can anyone tell me what this means? |
| 15:11.01 | glick | linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lgpm |
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| 15:11.01 | chimaera | petemc: any special settings? like i told, all server actions greyed out, so i can't connect. |
| 15:11.12 | Korn | hey what's wrong with wine for sid? |
| 15:11.28 | chimaera | Korn: you said that.. |
| 15:11.29 | petemc | chimaera: ive had it installed for months, it just works for me |
| 15:11.34 | DaDuck | madness: i do have RedHat 7.0 lying arround somewhere.. but that is next |
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| 15:11.54 | chimaera | petemc: i don't get any hints where the prob ist.. pretty potntless.. |
| 15:11.56 | DaDuck | still |
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| 15:12.00 | Korn | can anyone help? |
| 15:12.05 | madness | DaDuck: given that, as far as I know corel linux is obsolete, you probably won't find any support for it |
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| 15:12.14 | madness | DaDuck: try debian woody. |
| 15:12.17 | thomas_adam | madness: it is obsolete, aye! |
| 15:12.20 | tasio | hi |
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| 15:12.36 | chimaera | korn: for my crystall-balls is damaged.. |
| 15:12.41 | thomas_adam | however, I still run CorelLinux along with SLS |
| 15:12.58 | shell | thomas_adam: Doesn't work |
| 15:13.05 | Korn | Korn@slutty:~$ wine mirc603.exe |
| 15:13.05 | Korn | Invoking /usr/bin/wine.bin mirc603.exe ... |
| 15:13.05 | Korn | Wine failed with return code 139 |
| 15:13.05 | Korn | Segmentation fault |
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| 15:13.07 | thomas_adam | shell: yes it does |
| 15:13.13 | Korn | can someone help with that? |
| 15:13.14 | tasio | does anybody know if the OOM killer have been included again in 2.4.24 kernel ? |
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| 15:13.32 | Active2 | Korn: why mirc while there is xchat, bitchx, irssi... |
| 15:13.37 | DaDuck | cioa y'all |
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| 15:13.43 | Korn | cause i wan't to get miRC |
| 15:13.43 | sussudio | tasio: no, only the TANTE killer. |
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| 15:14.11 | tasio | sussudio: what ? |
| 15:14.23 | sussudio | ~tell tasio about polls |
| 15:14.25 | Active2 | Korn: wine is giving a seg fault... so i think there is something wrong with it |
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| 15:14.34 | sussudio | ~tell tasio about lkml |
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| 15:15.12 | wpg_guard | Hey all. Someone familiar with IPtables? |
| 15:15.26 | madness | wpg_guard: plenty of people. |
| 15:15.35 | madness | wpg_guard: best to ask a specific question in channel. |
| 15:15.37 | Korn | Active2 so what do i need to do? |
| 15:15.47 | shell | thomas_adam: Well it sure doesn't work here |
| 15:15.50 | wpg_guard | madness: <grin> Okay... but I was wondering if someone knew why I can't seem to do port forwarding. |
| 15:15.53 | ghenry | hi all. I have deleted /var/lib/status How can I recreate it? |
| 15:16.03 | sussudio | ~tell wpg_guard about polls |
| 15:16.09 | madness | Korn: is mirc even in wines compatibility list ? |
| 15:16.15 | Korn | yes it is, |
| 15:16.16 | thomas_adam | ghenry: HA |
| 15:16.19 | Active2 | try to get a newer version of wine, try to trace wine, try to recompile wine |
| 15:16.38 | madness | wpg_guard: "can't seem to do?" what have you tried, what and how doesn't it work or how does what it do differ from what you expect ? |
| 15:16.54 | wpg_guard | sussudio: <grin> Sorry, I'll be more succinct. |
| 15:16.58 | sussudio | korn: have you tried xirssi? |
| 15:16.59 | ghenry | thomas_adam, it was /var/lib/dpkg/status, sorry. Can I regenerate it? |
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| 15:17.13 | thomas_adam | ghenry: no |
| 15:17.37 | ghenry | thomas_adam, so it's f'ed? |
| 15:17.39 | wpg_guard | madness: Well, what I've tried to do is setup a port forward using the following: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 130.179.97.60 --dport 7000 -j DNAT --to- |
| 15:17.39 | wpg_guard | destination 192.168.1.20:80 |
| 15:17.51 | thomas_adam | ghenry: how did you delete it, anyhow? |
| 15:17.52 | Fransozich | Hi all does anybody know which package contains the core fonts of X? |
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| 15:18.24 | sussudio | ~tell Fransozich abou tpolls |
| 15:18.30 | sussudio | ~tell Fransozich about polls |
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| 15:18.35 | sussudio | ~tell Fransozich about search |
| 15:18.38 | majkl | Hello, I have problem with my mailbox, it write: Can't open inbox (file /var/mail/hancinov): not in valid folder format ..on google I found utility with name fixmail, but I can't find this command in debian..And also I found one interesting message: when I do grep From /var/mail/hancinov it write Binary file /var/mail/hancinov matches (and I think it should be only text file) any ideas ? |
| 15:18.43 | gospelgreg | guillo estas per aqui? |
| 15:18.51 | sussudio | ~tell gospelgreg about spanish |
| 15:18.58 | Fransozich | sussudio, I already tried .. |
| 15:19.03 | wpg_guard | ~tell wpg_guard about spanish |
| 15:19.07 | sussudio | damned apt stop being retarded |
| 15:19.09 | Fransozich | and this is not a pool.. |
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| 15:19.13 | sussudio | !tell gospelgreg about spanish |
| 15:19.27 | gospelgreg | yes |
| 15:20.16 | ghenry | thomas_adam, apt said it was corrupt, so i deleted it, thinking it would recreate it, doh. |
| 15:20.21 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
| 15:20.37 | thomas_adam | ghenry: ah |
| 15:20.50 | shell | thomas_adam: Tried what you wrote, + other things .. And it doesnt replace directly in the file! |
| 15:20.53 | sussudio | Fransozich: no, you haven't and yes, that was a poll. |
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| 15:21.05 | thomas_adam | shell: man perl |
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| 15:21.51 | sussudio | Fransozich: apt-cache search xfonts | less |
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| 15:21.54 | ghenry | thomas_adam, not fixable then? i don't believe that. THere must be a configurable command to regenerate it |
| 15:22.20 | enz0 | any of u using knoppix and willing to give me his opinion about it ? :) |
| 15:22.30 | gospelgreg | me I use |
| 15:22.30 | sussudio | enz0: #knoppix |
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| 15:22.37 | sussudio | ~tell enz0 about polls |
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| 15:22.42 | wpg_guard | Does the stable version of the Debian kernel have everything compiled into it so that I can do port forwarding? (ie: Version 2.4.18-1-k7) |
| 15:22.45 | BubbaG | im having trouble with a boot disk can anyone help, shall i paste in here or flood ? |
| 15:22.45 | gospelgreg | good together with devian |
| 15:22.47 | sussudio | next one do do a poll gets it. |
| 15:22.58 | majkl | wpg_guard: yes |
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| 15:23.13 | wpg_guard | majkl: Thanks. |
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| 15:23.22 | grendel | someone can tell me how to switch from wmaker to gnome? |
| 15:23.26 | majkl | wpg_guard: but you must load relevant modules |
| 15:23.27 | BubbaG | im having trouble with "making" a boot disk can anyone help, shall i paste the errors in here or flood ? |
| 15:23.28 | thomas_adam | grendel: ~/.xsession |
| 15:23.30 | Gadget- | does debian have support for audigy 2 sound card |
| 15:23.30 | sussudio | BubbaG: don't paste in here. |
| 15:23.37 | sussudio | !fuck grendel |
| 15:23.38 | ghenry | well, going to wipe it in that case and instal fedora |
| 15:23.48 | BubbaG | sussaudio: shall i paste in flood, will u have a look |
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| 15:24.02 | majkl | anybody knows how to fix mailbox ? |
| 15:24.03 | sussudio | BubbaG: what's so hard about mkrescue? |
| 15:24.07 | ghenry | No way to recreate /var/lib/dpkg/status anyone? |
| 15:24.07 | Coke | Gadget-: debian has nothing to do with device driver support |
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| 15:24.28 | madness | wpg_guard: sorry, I only answer questions in channel, please don't private message me, thanks. |
| 15:24.28 | wpg_guard | majkl: Which ones? I've got ipt_state ipt_MASQUERADE ipt_LOG iptable_mangle iptable_filter iptable_nat ip_conntrack ip_tables. Is that enough? |
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| 15:24.35 | sussudio | apt: be quiet |
| 15:24.36 | | Ah, shuddup. |
| 15:24.40 | wpg_guard | madness: No problem. |
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| 15:24.54 | Gadget- | ok... |
| 15:24.58 | grendel | fuck your girlfriend |
| 15:24.58 | sussudio | ghenry: copy status-old over it. |
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| 15:25.07 | mage | Gadget-: drivers are in the kernel |
| 15:25.11 | madness | wpg_guard: if you're missing a kernel module or driver, it will tell you so |
| 15:25.20 | zlate | what version is stable php4 in? |
| 15:25.22 | Gadget- | aha... is it supported by the kernel da |
| 15:25.23 | madness | wpg_guard: it will complain at you - did you get an error message ? |
| 15:25.24 | Gadget- | then |
| 15:25.38 | mage | Gadget-: check alsa website |
| 15:25.49 | asg | zlate: /msg dpkg info php4 woody |
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| 15:25.58 | Coke | zlate: why don't you check debian stable package list? |
| 15:25.59 | wpg_guard | madness: No, I haven't received any error messages. So, should I assume that one of the default rules isn't allowing the port forwarding (or is conflicting)? |
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| 15:26.04 | zlate | asg: ok |
| 15:26.32 | zlate | Coke: the debian package database on the site is down |
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| 15:27.35 | Zap-W | what's the website that holds domain names registrations |
| 15:27.36 | asg | zlate: also, if you use woody, you can easily 'apt-cache policy <pkg>' |
| 15:27.55 | madness | wpg_guard: yes, I would imagine so. |
| 15:28.07 | asg | Zap-W: there are quite a few registrars (google for DNS registrars) |
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| 15:28.30 | madness | wpg_guard: there would have to be an accompanying FORWARD rule to allow the traffic too. |
| 15:28.32 | enz0 | hi there :) |
| 15:28.33 | pmcalpin | i don't suppose anyone knows where the nvidia-* packages went...? |
| 15:28.40 | ghenry | sussudio, I deleted both :( |
| 15:28.44 | hacim | the makejail package in testing says it requires python (>= 2.2), but I copied it over to a woody system and it runs, is there a way I can install that package and override that dependancy? |
| 15:28.49 | sussudio | ghenry: you're fucked, then. |
| 15:29.02 | Zap-W | asg : how do i google for DNS registrars in my country |
| 15:29.31 | asg | Zap-W: google for 'dns registrars <country>' where country is your country |
| 15:29.37 | wpg_guard | madness: Would the forward rule be required just to get the incoming traffic to be forwarded, or for the response from the machine? |
| 15:29.53 | zlate | asg: ok, i im trying to find out why my apache fault when i load the phpmodule in httpd.conf. I got this package installed now 4:4.3.4-1moolfreet |
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| 15:30.18 | ghenry | sussudio, really. I remember my friend deleted /dev/null, and we could recreate that with a boot disk. I have a knoppix disk. I could copy it over from that? |
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| 15:30.25 | asg | zlate: unofficial php4 package eh? |
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| 15:31.21 | thomas_adam | yawn |
| 15:31.32 | sussudio | ghenry: no. |
| 15:31.33 | hacim | how can I override a package dependancy? |
| 15:31.34 | thomas_adam | <-- ought to get some sleep soon |
| 15:31.36 | zlate | asg: i dont know, i followed a installationsguide and it said that i should add that http://debian.moolfreet.com so my aptsourcelist and install php4 |
| 15:31.42 | thomas_adam | hacim: don't |
| 15:31.45 | sussudio | asg: rahul would stick his dick in thomas_adam's mouth |
| 15:31.49 | hacim | thomas_adam: I want to |
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| 15:32.00 | thomas_adam | sussudio: GFY |
| 15:32.05 | asg | zlate: well, I would contact the packager of the unofficial package and ask them what they suggest. |
| 15:32.15 | hacim | thomas_adam: there is an incorrect dependany in a apackage |
| 15:32.17 | asg | zlate: or remove it and use the one in woody (which we can support) |
| 15:32.24 | g4lt | zlate your installation guide author needs to lay off the crack |
| 15:32.26 | asg | sussudio: yeah, I was trying to get a drink out of him ;) |
| 15:32.30 | thomas_adam | hacim: man dpkg |
| 15:32.31 | miho | To which file do I have to put my firewall config, I'm using iptables and kernel 2.4.24-1. And can I use my redhat config file without modification |
| 15:32.36 | zlate | asg: ok |
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| 15:32.45 | zlate | g4lt: yeah |
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| 15:33.56 | ghenry | going to install fedora, thanks anyway thomas_adam and sussudio. I need my server backup quickly :-) |
| 15:34.00 | pepepe | hello |
| 15:34.17 | pepepe | i have a problem (sorry for my english) |
| 15:34.18 | thomas_adam | ghenry: ;) |
| 15:34.29 | ghenry | later |
| 15:34.37 | pepepe | with X :1 machine i obtain my wdm login |
| 15:34.52 | pepepe | but when i introduce my user and password |
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| 15:35.03 | thomas_adam | pepepe: ???? |
| 15:35.06 | pepepe | i canoot run windowmaker |
| 15:35.09 | thomas_adam | pepepe: man xnest |
| 15:35.25 | GomoX | pepepe: espaņol? prueba #debian-es |
| 15:35.35 | pepepe | i am trying debian-es |
| 15:35.41 | GomoX | oh |
| 15:35.47 | pepepe | but anybody reply me |
| 15:35.54 | thomas_adam | pepepe: man xnest |
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| 15:35.56 | pepepe | ok |
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| 15:36.02 | pepepe | thank thomas |
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| 15:36.12 | thomas_adam | pepepe: you're welcome |
| 15:36.20 | thomas_adam | what is 'you're welcome' in spanish? |
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| 15:36.26 | GomoX | de nada |
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| 15:36.32 | thomas_adam | GomoX: oh |
| 15:36.38 | hacim | how can I just download the .deb of a package, but not install it? |
| 15:36.40 | thomas_adam | GomoX: I thought that meant "nothing"... |
| 15:36.44 | Cire | is there a possibility to make a video file out of some JPGs ? |
| 15:36.44 | thomas_adam | GomoX: ah... |
| 15:36.46 | GomoX | hacim: apt-get -d |
| 15:36.56 | thomas_adam | like the French say "ca fait rien" |
| 15:37.03 | thomas_adam | s/rien/rein/ |
| 15:37.11 | GomoX | thomas_adam: "nada" is nothing but "de nada" is the equivalent or "youre welcome", although not literally |
| 15:37.16 | Cire | rien was right ;) |
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| 15:37.23 | hacim | GomoX: thanks |
| 15:37.31 | GomoX | les reins c'est pas rien |
| 15:37.37 | thomas_adam | Cire: d'accord :) |
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| 15:37.53 | redrick | thomas_adam: Bien sur! |
| 15:37.57 | hacim | GomoX: hrm, it wont work if there is unsatisfied dependancies |
| 15:38.05 | Cire | bon, et maintenant il faut repondre ā ma question *g* |
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| 15:38.25 | thomas_adam | Rick Moen :) |
| 15:38.33 | GomoX | hacim: then -f |
| 15:38.33 | GomoX | but you could also use your browser to go to, say, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian and pick them there |
| 15:38.38 | asg | thomas_adam: the Englishy idiom for 'de nada' is something along the lines of " 'twas nothing " |
| 15:38.55 | thomas_adam | asg, ah... |
| 15:39.05 | GomoX | et c'est quoi ta question? |
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| 15:39.37 | Cire | err, je vais continuer en anglais... |
| 15:39.46 | bizkit | why is my X screen still at 75dpi? this is the content of my /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp - and i start x using xinit |
| 15:39.47 | GomoX | yeah that would be nice |
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| 15:40.17 | redrick | Cire: "Desktop Video Capture" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb//Apps mentions some tools that might help you. |
| 15:40.33 | redrick | Cire: Though it's a fairly weak category in Linux. |
| 15:40.49 | quaqo | re |
| 15:41.08 | Cire | thanks |
| 15:41.17 | redrick | Cire: Ca fait rien. ;-> |
| 15:41.17 | dippo | can you just symlink a script in /etc/cron.daily? |
| 15:41.21 | dippo | or does it have to be a real file |
| 15:41.31 | Coke | dippo: why would it have to be a real file? |
| 15:41.43 | dippo | that's what I'm askin |
| 15:41.47 | thomas_adam | redrick: je ne sais pas tu parle francias. |
| 15:41.59 | Coke | dippo: read and write will treat a symlink as the real mccoy |
| 15:42.09 | Coke | dippo: only a stat will reveal it is a symlink |
| 15:42.18 | dippo | I figured as much |
| 15:42.33 | redrick | thomas_adam: A summer at the Alliance Francais in Paris, many years back. Plus high school. And I'm still a nearly monolingual Yank, alas. |
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| 15:42.43 | Coke | dippo: so you have your answer |
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| 15:42.58 | dippo | Coke: yes |
| 15:42.59 | hallux | Does egrep always print out a whole line on a match, or can I have it print out only a matching regexp? |
| 15:43.15 | thomas_adam | hallux: use perl, $` |
| 15:43.17 | dippo | hallux: perl would be better suited for that |
| 15:43.19 | Coen | Anybody got some good/complete howto's for setting up an debian webserver? Mail/http/ftp/etc for a colocated server |
| 15:43.27 | hallux | thomas_adam: perl is not an option |
| 15:43.33 | thomas_adam | hallux: errrm |
| 15:43.37 | thomas_adam | hallux: why ever not? |
| 15:43.38 | dippo | is anything else? awk? |
| 15:43.40 | leonel | Hello : What's the gnome 2.4 package that changes the mouse cursor in Xfree 4.3 because I only shows the old cursor in Xfree, When I start on KDE the mouse cursor changes to the whiteglass xfree icon theme |
| 15:43.41 | dippo | or only egrep |
| 15:43.45 | Cire | whats an mng? |
| 15:43.54 | Cire | seems strange to me |
| 15:44.02 | redrick | Cire: Motion-video variant of PNG. |
| 15:44.02 | hallux | thomas_adam: it just isn't. can i use egrep or do i need to use sed? |
| 15:44.17 | thomas_adam | hallux: you have a severe mis-understanding... |
| 15:44.30 | dippo | not sed, but awk would work |
| 15:44.38 | dippo | well, maybe sed |
| 15:44.48 | redrick | thomas_adam: _Of course_ perl isn't an option. It's a binary; it _has_ options. ;-> |
| 15:44.56 | hallux | thomas_adam: what makes you think that? |
| 15:45.03 | leonel | Hello : What's the gnome 2.4 package that changes the mouse cursor in Xfree 4.3 because I only shows the old cursor in Xfree, When I start on KDE the mouse cursor changes to the whiteglass xfree icon theme. I'm on SID with XFREE from experimental |
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| 15:46.00 | Shay|Work | What happened to all *.debian.org? |
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| 15:46.17 | Cire | hmm, is there a tool to make an avi or mpg file out of some jpgs? (no animated gifs) |
| 15:46.17 | Shay|Work | oh www is working |
| 15:46.33 | Active2 | maybe someone can tell where packages.debian.org is... |
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| 15:47.18 | sgeigerbot | Cire: If xine can play avi or mpg, I don't know...but it can output frames to .jpg files |
| 15:47.28 | navi^ | whats the default path for mysql databases? |
| 15:47.30 | thomas_adam | hallux: Ruby -e'IO.readlines(file) { |x| puts x =~/something/; puts $`, $&' |
| 15:47.36 | thomas_adam | hallux: Ruby -e'IO.readlines(file) { |x| puts x =~/something/; puts $`, $&}' |
| 15:47.56 | Cire | is sgeigerbot a bot or not? |
| 15:47.58 | sgeigerbot | navi^: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
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| 15:48.05 | thomas_adam | Cire: non |
| 15:48.08 | sgeigerbot | Cire: I'm based on FI ('Ficial Intelligence). |
| 15:48.15 | hallux | thomas_adam: what is my severe misunderstanding? |
| 15:48.21 | navi^ | default path of mysql databases, debian stable package. |
| 15:48.22 | miho | Can I use my redhat firewall config (iptables) file in debian without tweking |
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| 15:48.48 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: Are you French or just bad at spelling? |
| 15:48.50 | Cire | so, @sgeigerbot: i want to have a video file, and what I have ar the jpgs |
| 15:49.03 | Cire | s/ar/are |
| 15:49.19 | sgeigerbot | Cire: oh, I thought you wanted to go in the other direction. Sorry, no idea. |
| 15:49.54 | Covener | cire: mencoder docs |
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| 15:50.01 | bada | hello |
| 15:50.12 | Cire | I'll have a look at those... |
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| 15:50.23 | redrick | navi^: /var/lib/mysql, I'm pretty sure. |
| 15:50.28 | enz0 | ciao all |
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| 15:50.44 | bada | where it is find LSI scsi modules ? |
| 15:50.48 | gallus | hi boys happy new year |
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| 15:51.23 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: btw...sorry about that...it was just a joke. |
| 15:51.36 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: very amusing, too :) |
| 15:51.58 | Smirker | i forgot :/ how to unzip a tar.bz2 file? |
| 15:51.59 | navi^ | redrick: thanks. good that u know how to read my question. thanks |
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| 15:52.21 | bada | i using woody cd imgae when debian install cann't found LSI scsi . |
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| 15:52.24 | thomas_adam | navi^: Of course he does, he's a good proofreader :) |
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| 15:52.32 | redrick | Smirker: tar xvjf |
| 15:52.35 | netbrain | is there a keyboard shortcut for pasting? (middle mouse button) |
| 15:52.40 | bada | Help me please. |
| 15:52.44 | thomas_adam | netbrain: man dumpkeys |
| 15:52.51 | Smirker | tah |
| 15:52.54 | navi^ | ive got this error.. |
| 15:52.54 | navi^ | /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/bin/perl: undefined symbol: PL_curpadPerl_pp_sin |
| 15:53.04 | redrick | bada: Try hitting F3 on the second screen of the installer, then picking the bf2.4 boot flavour? |
| 15:53.09 | navi^ | is there a way to re-run.. perl? or am i doomed? |
| 15:53.11 | bada | yes. |
| 15:53.17 | bada | bf24 compact |
| 15:53.21 | redrick | bada: Otherwise, you default to a 2.2-kernel-based installation experience. |
| 15:53.27 | netbrain | thanks |
| 15:53.41 | bada | same this. |
| 15:53.43 | thomas_adam | navi^: apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -S $(which perl) |
| 15:53.49 | thomas_adam | ) |
| 15:53.55 | greycat | redrick: I had the "privilege" once of installing woody on a system that only idepci could boot on. |
| 15:54.01 | skermajo | does someone know of some reliable audio level metres for alsa ? I'm distorting . .want to find how much i'm overdriving things. ?? |
| 15:54.03 | bada | Recently device LSI scsi 360 |
| 15:54.11 | greycat | so it's good that idepci exists, but it shouldn't have been the default |
| 15:54.13 | redrick | bada: Is that a RAID controller? |
| 15:54.41 | bada | no |
| 15:54.46 | bada | scsi controller. |
| 15:55.03 | greycat | bada: which Linux driver supports it, and in which kernel does said driver first appear? |
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| 15:55.20 | bada | LSI Logic* 20320 Single-channel Ultra320 SCSI controller |
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| 15:55.29 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 15:55.31 | | Failed |
| 15:55.34 | gallus | on my laptop i have a sd memory reader how can i use it? |
| 15:55.35 | thomas_adam | :( |
| 15:55.42 | thomas_adam | gallus: plug it in |
| 15:55.55 | redrick | bada: I don't know that SCSI chipset, but would guess that the sym53c8xx driver is your logical first guess. |
| 15:55.55 | bada | Other linux vender cd support it. redhat. or suse |
| 15:56.00 | greycat | bada: you will have to do some research |
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| 15:56.03 | navi^ | thomas_adam: didnt help |
| 15:56.04 | bada | wait |
| 15:56.15 | greycat | bada: which kernel? which driver? don't just say "suse supports it" -- that's useless. |
| 15:56.17 | thomas_adam | navi^: pass, sorry. |
| 15:56.32 | vorsprun1 | hi any uk people awake? |
| 15:56.45 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: yes, I am a Brit |
| 15:56.53 | gallus | thomas_adam: ok ... the name of device |
| 15:56.57 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: England |
| 15:57.03 | thomas_adam | gallus: /dev/sdX |
| 15:57.09 | Smirker | ive got a makefile.. how do i compile it? |
| 15:57.10 | bada | From - |
| 15:57.10 | bada | Return-Path: <root@localhost.localdomain> |
| 15:57.10 | bada | Received: from mail (mail.skhu.ac.kr [220.66.161.2]) by mail.skhu.ac.kr |
| 15:57.10 | bada | (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28068 for <n-bada@mail.skhu.ac.kr>; |
| 15:57.10 | bada | Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:55:03 +0900 |
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| 15:57.11 | Smirker | and install |
| 15:57.16 | thomas_adam | Smirker: make |
| 15:57.20 | g4lt | you know, the amount of morons that show up with LSI U320s makes me think Adaptec isn't that bad, even though LSI has uber-cool SAS and SATA controllers |
| 15:57.22 | Smirker | what about install? |
| 15:57.23 | thomas_adam | Smirker: make && make install |
| 15:57.23 | gallus | thomas_adam: /dev/sdX? |
| 15:57.23 | Smirker | after i make |
| 15:57.28 | Smirker | alright thx |
| 15:57.31 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, hi..:).. what I am interested in is the names of any other virtual server suppliers apart from bytemark who do debian |
| 15:57.34 | gallus | thomas_adam: are you sure? |
| 15:57.43 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, preferably uk based |
| 15:57.46 | thomas_adam | gallus: SCSI-emulation, aye |
| 15:57.56 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: whereabouts are you? |
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| 15:58.35 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, in Devon |
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| 15:58.37 | bada | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.43 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: heh, Hampshire for me :) |
| 15:58.57 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: umm, Devon is a bit sparse... |
| 15:59.05 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: just checking a list of URLs now |
| 15:59.39 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, I'd prefer the UK as it's better for phoning them up and shouting at them :) |
| 15:59.47 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: yeah |
| 15:59.48 | greycat | bada: do some FUCKING RESEARCH. Use GOOGLE. Find out what DRIVER supports your device, and what KERNEL has that driver. Don't paste any more crap. |
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| 15:59.54 | greycat | (when he comes back, someone paste that at him) |
| 15:59.56 | thomas_adam | greycat: chill |
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| 16:00.14 | Zap-W | anyone know a program that rips the mp3 audio from a svcd video |
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| 16:00.14 | greycat | Zap-W: mplayer can |
| 16:00.14 | majkl | How can I generate pine header ? |
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| 16:00.26 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: I used to live in Devon |
| 16:00.27 | vorsprung | Zap-W, I'd like mp3 from a realaudio stream,, myself |
| 16:00.28 | Zap-W | greycat : something else |
| 16:00.49 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, yeah? whereabouts? I'm on the border with somerset near tiverton |
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| 16:01.05 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: yep, Tiverton. :) |
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| 16:01.12 | petemc | i use virtualdub in windows.... |
| 16:01.14 | gallus | thomas_adam: are you sure? |
| 16:01.23 | thomas_adam | gallus: no |
| 16:01.35 | thomas_adam | gallus: I am not sure of much anymore |
| 16:01.45 | gallus | thomas_adam: ok |
| 16:01.54 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, tiverton really is a small town place. I couldn't live there. |
| 16:01.58 | gallus | bye see you sooon |
| 16:02.02 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: I had no choice |
| 16:02.07 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, quite |
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| 16:02.23 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: But now I am at Soton Uni |
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| 16:02.34 | vorsprung | thomas_adam, the golden panda is good though :) |
| 16:02.43 | thomas_adam | vorsprung: heh |
| 16:02.44 | Serbitar | thomas_adam: you at soton eh.. can you put in a good word for my application? :P |
| 16:02.52 | thomas_adam | Serbitar: sure :) |
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| 16:03.10 | thomas_adam | <-- Software Engineering BSc(Hons) undergraduate |
| 16:03.15 | hacim | I am trying to do: start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/apache.pid --exec /usr/sbin/apache --chroot /var/chroot/apache but it gives me the error: fopen: No such file or directory apache: could not open error log file /var/log/apache/error.log. |
| 16:03.25 | Serbitar | applying for distributed systems and computer network |
| 16:03.30 | Serbitar | and physics with photoics |
| 16:03.33 | thomas_adam | hacim: the chroot is the problem there |
| 16:03.37 | hacim | although there is a /var/log/apache/error.log and a /var/chroot/apache/var/log/error.log |
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| 16:03.53 | hacim | thomas_adam: yes, but I want to have a chroot :) |
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| 16:04.19 | thomas_adam | hacim: see the HOWTO site for running other services under a chroot |
| 16:04.42 | abcnew | hi, do you know why i don't use (right ctrl,alt,..)? |
| 16:04.56 | thomas_adam | abcnew: you didn't press the keys? |
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| 16:05.05 | thomas_adam | abcnew: or are you just retarded? |
| 16:05.12 | thomas_adam | ~penixsmite abcnew |
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| 16:05.23 | Aether | btw, does anyone else thinkg "Archive: nonus" on the debian web page is kind of confusing? Shouldn't it be "non-us"? |
| 16:05.23 | hacim | thomas_adam: I am following http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html |
| 16:05.40 | Aether | s/web page/mirror status web page/ |
| 16:05.45 | hacim | Aether: file a wishlist bug against ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:06.35 | dobby | hello can some help me with the famous problem of xlibrender1 when upgrading to SID? |
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| 16:06.55 | abcnew | thomas_adam: only left keys work |
| 16:07.05 | thomas_adam | dobby: if you're upgrading to sid, you ought to be able to fix it yourself :) |
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| 16:07.20 | thomas_adam | abcnew: is this within a WM, at the console, in an application, what? |
| 16:07.34 | mechan0r | thomas_adam not necessarily |
| 16:07.52 | abcnew | thomas_adam: console? |
| 16:07.55 | abcnew | thomas_adam: console |
| 16:07.56 | thomas_adam | oh, FFS |
| 16:07.58 | dobby | thomas_adam: I am trying it for 4 hours no. I was used to stable. Do know its time to learn new things ;) |
| 16:08.26 | thomas_adam | abcnew: the console is the black and white screen |
| 16:08.26 | mechan0r | dobby you need to go from stable to testing first |
| 16:08.54 | xpato | has anyone uses vmware, debian and kernel 2.6 |
| 16:08.57 | abcnew | thomas_adam: hm |
| 16:09.09 | abcnew | thomas_adam: left alt+1 |
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| 16:09.12 | xpato | in kernel 2.4 it works but now it does not |
| 16:09.18 | Sandoz | xpato: why would you want to do that? |
| 16:09.23 | abcnew | thomas_adam: but right alt+1 did not |
| 16:09.23 | dobby | mechan0r: hmm... I get the same problem with libxrender1 when i upgrade to testing ;). So i does not mather for me. Both need a lot of work i think |
| 16:09.30 | thomas_adam | abcnew: man loadkeys |
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| 16:09.51 | mechan0r | dobby watch what you say about what needs work, I have it up just fine |
| 16:10.16 | dobby | mechan0r: with testing or stable? |
| 16:10.34 | mechan0r | sid |
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| 16:11.01 | mechan0r | you need a line in sources.list for the experimental packages |
| 16:11.28 | mechan0r | libxrender1 is useful with X 4.3+ |
| 16:11.43 | dobby | mechan0r: no a lot of work? really ! I want to upgrade to sid! |
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| 16:12.11 | mechan0r | first apt-get install aptitude |
| 16:13.27 | xpato | just for learn, and see how its goes |
| 16:13.36 | leonel | Hello : What's the gnome 2.4 package that changes the mouse cursor in Xfree 4.3 because I only shows the old cursor in Xfree, When I start on KDE the mouse cursor changes to the whiteglass xfree icon theme I'm on SID with xfree 4.3.0 pre1v5 from experimental |
| 16:13.42 | xpato | i just use linux for about 3 years |
| 16:14.02 | dobby | mechan0r: and after installing aptitude |
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| 16:14.16 | Aether | hacim: where is this wishlist? |
| 16:14.38 | dobby | mechan0r: I canno't remove it same error as in bug report 222343 |
| 16:14.43 | majkl | when I have 3 partition and I want to do fsck after reboot, need I on every partition to create .forcefsck file ? /var/.forcefsck /.forcefsck /home/.forcefsck ? |
| 16:15.03 | streuner | dobby: ok, try the 'hard' way |
| 16:15.13 | mechan0r | then run aptitude and upgrade only a few things at a time |
| 16:15.22 | dobby | streuner: what is the hard way? |
| 16:15.34 | streuner | dobby: just move (mv) the file pkg.postinst to another folder |
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| 16:15.58 | mechan0r | dobby don't yet |
| 16:16.20 | dobby | mechan0r: don't yet? what don't yet |
| 16:16.34 | mechan0r | don't do it the hard way |
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| 16:16.51 | abcnew | thomas_adam: i did 'loadkeys -q us' |
| 16:17.01 | mechan0r | upgrade the simple apps first |
| 16:17.22 | mechan0r | oh and go through the menus in aptitude to get familiar with it |
| 16:17.52 | mechan0r | once you've played with aptitude for a while then try to go to sid |
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| 16:18.31 | streuner | dobby: whatever, just move the file to another folder, you want get X working now, not in one month :-) |
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| 16:19.59 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 464 2003-12-09 06:41 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxrender1.preinst |
| 16:20.01 | aarkerio | I installed bittorrent, but where can I do a search? |
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| 16:20.17 | streuner | dobby: just try this file |
| 16:20.24 | majkl | can anybody tell me, how can I do automatically fsck after reboot ? |
| 16:20.35 | ee99ee | /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro)........ to fix that, would it be best to reboot and let fsck run? |
| 16:20.39 | streuner | dobby: if it doesn't help mv also this file to another folder |
| 16:20.42 | abcnew | anybody know mean 'soldering system'? |
| 16:20.48 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 2003-12-09 06:41 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxrender1.postinst |
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| 16:21.22 | LoRez | abcnew: yes. #electronics |
| 16:21.37 | blammo | what's a good fdisk like program that's in testing that handles ext3 or other journalling filesystems? |
| 16:22.03 | LoRez | blammo: fdisk doesn't care what filesystem is on the partitions |
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| 16:22.22 | blammo | LoRez: for making fs too? |
| 16:22.31 | LoRez | blammo: fdisk doesn't make file systems. |
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| 16:22.46 | thomas_adam | blammo: mke2fs -j /dev/device |
| 16:22.48 | blammo | LoRez: ok. i'm still too used to msdos. what would do that then? |
| 16:22.57 | blammo | thanks much |
| 16:23.00 | LoRez | blammo: fdisk on msdos didn't make file systems either. |
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| 16:23.27 | blammo | LoRez: it didn't? i must be forgetting a lot then. i spent my whole childhood playing in msdos. |
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| 16:24.00 | abcnew | thomas_adam: i did 'loadkeys -q us' |
| 16:24.04 | Mave | topic should be changed: it's found that 2.2 is not vulnerable. |
| 16:24.06 | thomas_adam | abcnew: ;) |
| 16:24.13 | abcnew | thomas_adam: did not work |
| 16:24.19 | streuner | Mave: false |
| 16:24.41 | streuner | Mave: check lwn.net/kernel out |
| 16:24.51 | Mave | streuner: check DSA417 |
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| 16:25.05 | abcnew | thomas_adam: ? |
| 16:25.38 | streuner | Mave: http://lwn.net/Articles/65113/ |
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| 16:25.42 | ee99ee | how do I mount a file system that was mounted read-only due to errors as read-write (the errors were fixed)? |
| 16:26.04 | hacim | thomas_adam: I can't seem to find the HOWTO on running services under chroot environments :( |
| 16:26.12 | zlate | does the dpkg - l show what packages i have installed? |
| 16:26.22 | streuner | Mave: that was the wrong URL |
| 16:26.26 | zlate | dpkg -l i ment |
| 16:26.27 | dpkg | ii i ment 1.8-3 zlate's private stamp collection |
| 16:26.38 | zlate | :) |
| 16:26.53 | Mave | streuner: yes. 2.2 was beleived to be vulnarable |
| 16:26.55 | Xenocide | damnation! how I miss my precious precious NAT |
| 16:26.57 | dobby | streuner: have the smbe rights but it does not work |
| 16:27.00 | majkl | ee99ee: mount -o remount,rw / ..than create /forcefsck ( touch /forcefsck) and reboot machine |
| 16:27.10 | Mave | streuner: so you refernce may be an older one |
| 16:27.12 | Xenocide | little did I know a simple upgrade would totally hose iptables |
| 16:27.39 | blammo | thomas_adam: does that make a ext2 or ext3? |
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| 16:27.41 | fflush | ee99ee: mount -u -o rw / # just a wild guess |
| 16:27.45 | thomas_adam | blammo: ext3# |
| 16:27.51 | ee99ee | majkl: thanks |
| 16:27.56 | blammo | thomas_adam:thanks much |
| 16:28.07 | Ekaterin | Is this the right channel to ask about kernel 2.6.0? |
| 16:28.17 | Mave | Ekaterin: /topic |
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| 16:28.56 | Cire | now I have searched for an hour, and what I have found was nothing. Simple answer: how to convert some jpgs into an avi file. (or mpeg or so). The tool should be console or curses. Anyone an idea? |
| 16:28.56 | mechan0r | what package has dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:29.15 | Fransozich | Hi all does anybody know which package contains the core fonts of X? |
| 16:29.24 | Mave | mechan0r: apt-get install apt-file |
| 16:29.51 | Mave | Ekaterin: sorry they've removed the entence about 2.6 |
| 16:30.00 | majkl | mechan0r: dpkg-dev |
| 16:30.08 | blammo | is there a way to work around bad superblocks, or is the hard drive dead? |
| 16:30.14 | streuner | dobby: still no luck to install it? have you tried 'apt-get -f install'? |
| 16:30.35 | mechan0r | u missed him |
| 16:30.36 | Ekaterin | Mave: I've already compiled it, I just have some minor problems, and was wondering whether to ask about them here or on #kernel. |
| 16:30.44 | Mave | blammo: you may comtinue to use after marking them but you shouldn't trust it |
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| 16:31.13 | Mave | Ekaterin: a channel about kernel would be much appropriate |
| 16:31.14 | blammo | Mave: i guess i'll hunt around for other hard drives. |
| 16:31.17 | blammo | thanks |
| 16:31.29 | hacim | when I try to start my apache in a chroot environment, it tells me: apache: could not open error log file /var/log/apache/error.log. |
| 16:31.30 | vorsprung | Cire, I've not done that on debian. About 10 years ago I did it on a SGI, and I used a program like Imagemagicks animate + a screen grabber that recorded to a video file |
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| 16:31.33 | hacim | any ideas? :p |
| 16:31.54 | ircdevil | ok, folks. i need this fixed. whenever i paste from galeon url line -> crash. and i cannot paste to it ??? |
| 16:31.56 | LoRez | Cire: convert |
| 16:32.10 | Mave | ircdevil: have you checked bts ? |
| 16:32.21 | LoRez | Cire: maybe... it's in imagemagick somewhere |
| 16:32.27 | sussudio | kernel-source-2.4.18 with the hole plugged is now in woody/security, if anyone's interested. |
| 16:32.31 | ircdevil | Mave yes, i did not recognize my problem there |
| 16:32.55 | Mave | k |
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| 16:32.58 | kokko | p |
| 16:33.12 | ircdevil | Mave i think it could be a font or mouse or locale problem |
| 16:33.13 | Cire | vorsprung: hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but what does a screen grabber have to do with the conversion thing? (I googled a little, and on every page a screen grabber was proposed) |
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| 16:34.00 | abcnew | thomas_adam: ? |
| 16:34.08 | vorsprung | jpeg2yuv -f 25 -j frame-%05d.jpg -I p | mpeg2enc -o mpegfile.m1v |
| 16:34.15 | vorsprung | apparently |
| 16:34.19 | kokko | hi ive got a problem : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.1.15-1_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./bin/ps' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 16:34.21 | ircdevil | and i can paste to smart-bookmark fields with no problem |
| 16:34.22 | blammo | Mave: it wasn't a bad superblock, just a bad option. I think my last two numbers in the fstab are baddish, what are good defaults for them? |
| 16:34.23 | kokko | anyone please help :) |
| 16:35.05 | Mave | blammo: one of them is for dump (backup) other is for auto fsck control |
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| 16:35.14 | Mave | blammo: man 5 fstab |
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| 16:35.28 | Cire | what does jpg2yuv return? |
| 16:35.30 | blammo | Mave: k, i'll check the man page |
| 16:35.58 | Mave | blammo: they aren't much related to badblocks afaik |
| 16:36.04 | antigraviton | Fransozich: xfonts-base, xfonts-75dpi |
| 16:36.07 | vorsprung | Cire, an mpeg movie file apparently |
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| 16:37.14 | Ammo | hi all |
| 16:37.41 | zlate | dpkg -l | grep mool [shows] rc libmysqlclient 4.0.16-2moolfr mysql database client library and dpkg --purge libmysqlclient [shows] dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libmysqlclient which isn't installed. why ? |
| 16:37.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
| 16:37.47 | Cire | sorry for me asking newbie questions, but what does mpeg2enc do? (if jpeg2yuv did the encoding) |
| 16:37.51 | Ammo | someone use vmware? |
| 16:37.53 | blammo | Mave: no, but there was, in the error, a few reasons why it could have gone wrong, and i assumed bad blocks because it's a really old hard drive. |
| 16:38.22 | blammo | Mave: i can't mount it from fstab, but i can manually. |
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| 16:38.34 | mechan0r | is there a list alternatives command? |
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| 16:38.42 | japh | Anyone know why pool on lyre.mit.edu is 403 now? |
| 16:38.45 | japh | http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/ |
| 16:38.46 | Mave | streuner: http://www.kerneltrap.org/ |
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| 16:38.48 | japh | Click any pool |
| 16:38.53 | vorsprung | Cire, i just read this http://www.stillhq.com/extracted/howto-jpeg2mpeg |
| 16:38.58 | Mave | streuner: top news item |
| 16:38.59 | japh | $ HEAD http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/n/ntop/ntop_2.2c-1_i386.deb |
| 16:38.59 | japh | 403 Forbidden |
| 16:38.59 | modconf | You are moron #4, japh |
| 16:39.13 | Cire | okay, I'll also do so |
| 16:39.14 | japh | modconf: Excuse me? |
| 16:39.15 | petemc | mechan0r: source /etc/bash_completion ; update-alternatives --config <tab> <tab> :) |
| 16:39.15 | modconf | japh: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:39.21 | japh | oh, an idiot-bot |
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| 16:40.00 | noda | My router doesn't run X, but my desktop does (both run Debian). From the outside world I want to "ssh -X -C [router]" and then "ssh -X [desktop]" and run programs. I've installed xlibs and enabled X11Forwarding in sshd_config but $DISPLAY is not set when I log into the router. What should I do? |
| 16:40.33 | Cire | vorsprung: seems as if this is what I was searching for ;) |
| 16:40.42 | vorsprung | Cire, good :) |
| 16:40.53 | streuner | Mave: you are right, saw 2.2.25 instead of 2.4.25, sorry |
| 16:41.03 | Mave | streuner: np |
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| 16:41.23 | vorsprung | noda, tunnel ssh in ssh maybe? |
| 16:42.18 | vorsprung | noda, or run a X proxy on the router |
| 16:42.29 | ircdevil | anyone cate to have a look at my galeon crash error? #flood |
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| 16:42.40 | noda | Hrm. a) is there no way to do what I want? Seems very odd... b) how would I tunnel ssh in ssh? |
| 16:42.43 | vorsprung | noda, there might be a better way of doing it but my tiny brain is tired now :) |
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| 16:42.48 | noda | Oh, and c) my original problem is that ssh'ing to a different port to go straight to my desktop is EXTREMELY slow for some reason. Any ideas why it would be slow? ssh'ing to the router and then desktop is fast. |
| 16:43.08 | coolnewbie | i need to install a utility which would allow me to select between the window managers during startup does any exist |
| 16:43.23 | noda | How do install an X proxy? |
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| 16:43.54 | dantez_ | where I can find an unofficial mirror of Xfree 4.3 for powerpc???? |
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| 16:44.45 | Mave | dantez_: apt-get.org or experimental if you're using sid or testing |
| 16:44.46 | nwo | can you get german and japanese chars working at the same time? |
| 16:45.05 | dantez_ | Mave i search there, but i cant find noone for powerpc |
| 16:45.11 | tarzeau | noda: why not use ssh with -X ? |
| 16:45.18 | japh | nwo: Yes, use UTF-8 |
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| 16:45.25 | noda | tarzeau: Well, that's what I'd ideally do. |
| 16:45.31 | tarzeau | noda: but? |
| 16:45.53 | noda | tarzeau: But when I ssh directly to my desktop through a routed port, it's UNBEARABLY slow (-X or not). If I ssh -X to my router, my $DISPLAY variable isn't set and I have no idea why. |
| 16:46.07 | tarzeau | noda: try with -C |
| 16:46.21 | noda | tarzeau: Nope, still slow. |
| 16:46.27 | tarzeau | noda: do you run it tunneled or not, what does echo $DISPLAY say? |
| 16:46.28 | vorsprung | X is slow over networks |
| 16:46.34 | vorsprung | i mean |
| 16:46.38 | tarzeau | noda: are you sure you don't let it go untunneled? |
| 16:46.43 | vorsprung | it needs a nice fast connection |
| 16:46.44 | noda | tarzeau: It's odd, too... it was fast enough two hours ago. Maybe my Internet connection is screwy. |
| 16:46.47 | tarzeau | noda: you have to enable x forwarding in sshd_config |
| 16:46.57 | tarzeau | noda: i'm sure something is wrong... |
| 16:47.05 | tarzeau | vorsprung: no it doesn't |
| 16:47.09 | noda | tarzeau: It's enabled in both. |
| 16:47.09 | tarzeau | vorsprung: using -C it's quite ok |
| 16:47.21 | tarzeau | noda: now login using ssh -CX and say echo $DISPLAY |
| 16:47.25 | noda | vorsprung: ssh -X -C makes it fast enough -- -C is compression (gzip) -- it does it well. |
| 16:47.31 | tarzeau | vorsprung: much less than vnc! |
| 16:47.44 | noda | tarzeau: To the desktop or router? |
| 16:47.45 | vorsprung | tarzeau, ooh but I like vnc |
| 16:47.46 | tarzeau | vorsprung: sure if you try GNOME or KDE.... |
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| 16:47.52 | noda | To the router, it'll be empty. To the desktop it'll be localhost:10.0 |
| 16:47.53 | tarzeau | vorsprung: and i hate it, so what? |
| 16:48.00 | tarzeau | noda: both! |
| 16:48.06 | ircdevil | ok, i found the error for my galeon crash. galeon depends on one of the following packages: python-gdk-imlib python-gdk-imlib python-gtk. so i would say theres a dependancy problem in woody ? |
| 16:48.08 | tarzeau | noda: and where is the problem? |
| 16:48.15 | vorsprung | tarzeau, there is a newish zrrl vnc protocol that is much better over slow links |
| 16:48.20 | noda | vorsprung: VNC is huge, takes a whole window. X11 can let you run a single app :) |
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| 16:48.35 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 16:48.44 | noda | tarzeau: Well, if I ssh directly to my desktop it's VERY slow. No idea why. If I ssh to my router, it's very fast. |
| 16:48.47 | vorsprung | noda, but I'm on a dial up and if I time out then vnc just stays there :) |
| 16:48.47 | tarzeau | vorsprung: what about encryption? |
| 16:49.04 | vorsprung | tarzeau, tunnel vnc though ssh |
| 16:49.08 | noda | And it's gotten beyond wanting to run Gaim -- now it's the *principle* of the thing! Why would $DISPLAY be empty on the router? |
| 16:49.09 | tarzeau | noda: well i don't know, try a sniffer, try iptraf |
| 16:49.19 | noda | tarzeau: tightvnc has encryption :) |
| 16:49.34 | Mave | vorsprung: there are proxies for disconenction |
| 16:49.41 | Mave | vorsprung: disconnection, sorry |
| 16:49.46 | nwo | can you run console applications like irssi with UTF-8? |
| 16:49.52 | Mave | tarzeau: apt-get moo :) |
| 16:49.54 | vorsprung | Mave, oh sounds good. I will look into that |
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| 16:50.13 | bonez39 | does XMMS have a channel on IRC? anyone? |
| 16:50.14 | tarzeau | Mave: bak sende translation team e ekleyimmi? |
| 16:50.22 | tarzeau | bonez39: #xmms |
| 16:50.26 | ToreSB | ...in a friendly way, of course. |
| 16:50.29 | Mave | tarzeau: ben zaten takũmdayũm. ekle tabi |
| 16:50.41 | bonez39 | tarzeau: damn..it might have bitten me...I'll be careful...;) |
| 16:50.44 | noda | Bah. Actually, I have to get back to my actual *work*... aargh... |
| 16:50.51 | noda | I'm torn. Troubleshoot, or work... |
| 16:50.52 | Aether | Can someone give the address of a non-us mirror they've been able to connect to recently? |
| 16:50.58 | tarzeau | Mave: ismini ve emailini bana göndersene yada /msg 'la gönder |
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| 16:51.52 | tarzeau | Aether: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 16:52.02 | Mave | tarzeau: where will that team members shown (on wihch uri) |
| 16:52.16 | kokko | anyone? |
| 16:52.16 | tarzeau | Mave: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ i'll work on it more when i have time |
| 16:52.22 | kokko | problem : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.1.15-1_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./bin/ps' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 16:52.34 | tarzeau | kokko: sudo dpkg -i ? |
| 16:52.39 | tarzeau | kokko: id are you root? |
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| 16:52.55 | Mave | tarzeau: we're thinking to update official page on debian.org |
| 16:53.08 | tarzeau | Mave: evet 'de bana gönder bileyim abi :) |
| 16:53.14 | noda | Wow! I can just ssh to my router then desktop and go "export DISPLAY=localhost:10.0" and then it works :P |
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| 16:53.23 | tarzeau | noda: good! |
| 16:53.32 | JimButton | tarzeau: merhaba |
| 16:53.49 | JimButton | are we going to be invaded by the osmans? :) |
| 16:54.02 | sussudio | tarzeau: moet daar melk bij? |
| 16:54.09 | Mave | who are osmans? |
| 16:54.14 | JimButton | osman empire |
| 16:54.15 | tarzeau | sussudio: i don't understand |
| 16:54.16 | JimButton | i mean |
| 16:54.20 | tarzeau | JimButton: ana, sendemi türksün? |
| 16:54.22 | sussudio | tarzeau: exactly |
| 16:54.29 | tarzeau | sussudio: oh sorry :) |
| 16:54.33 | JimButton | tarzeau: i forgot most of my turkish, unfortunately |
| 16:54.39 | JimButton | tarzeau: i learned a bit in berlin |
| 16:54.50 | L00thar | Still looking for a channel in this IRC namespace universe that deals with UDF and Linux kernel packet-writing... |
| 16:55.02 | Mave | JimButton: ottoman empire is in the history |
| 16:55.02 | tarzeau | JimButton: i've packaged even more www.gnustep.org (updated!) stuff now ;) |
| 16:55.02 | JimButton | tarzeau: (the third-largest turkish city, i was told...) |
| 16:55.10 | tarzeau | JimButton: hehehe ;) |
| 16:55.11 | JimButton | Mave: oops, sorry |
| 16:55.22 | tarzeau | sussudio: do you mind translating it to me? |
| 16:55.26 | JimButton | Mave: whatever |
| 16:55.27 | Mave | JimButton: np :) |
| 16:55.41 | JimButton | Mave: the turkish hordes attacking the innocent europeans :) |
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| 16:55.49 | tarzeau | L00thar: i'd try #kernelnewbies on the right network |
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| 16:56.11 | Mave | JimButton: mozart wrote his turk march after vien siege |
| 16:56.20 | JimButton | Mave: heh :) |
| 16:56.22 | L00thar | tarzeau: hmmm. A good option. |
| 16:56.43 | hacim | hello, I am trying to setup an aache jail, but when I try to start it, I get this error: apache: could not open error log file /var/log/apache/error.log (although the error log exists) |
| 16:56.51 | hacim | s/aache/apache |
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| 16:57.51 | arturaz | hey ppl. how can i make blootbot wait before joining channel? |
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| 16:58.36 | redrick | Greetings to our osmanli friends, and thank you for bringing coffee to Europe. ;-> |
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| 16:59.03 | Mave | np :) |
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| 16:59.13 | blammo | is there any need for defragging with ext3? |
| 16:59.27 | sussudio | redrick: and heroine |
| 16:59.41 | redrick | sussudio: Can't win 'em all. |
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| 17:00.10 | xace | Anyone here who got the sarge-netinst iso image? |
| 17:00.10 | Mave | sussudio: we're not producing it. just the location problem. it has to pass over |
| 17:00.16 | xace | the gluck pages are down |
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| 17:00.34 | redrick | ~di |
| 17:00.38 | | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 17:00.42 | sussudio | ~ldo |
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| 17:00.47 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: A dildo is you. |
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| 17:00.55 | redrick | Hmm. |
| 17:00.59 | redrick | ~d-i |
| 17:01.01 | | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the sequel of boot-floopy a.k.a debian-installer. Subscribe to debian-boot and read http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/images/daily/. Please, please, please help test it. |
| 17:01.08 | p-man | after building the kernel and modules I get unresolved symbols for almost all modules |
| 17:01.15 | kokko | tarzeau : i am root, yes |
| 17:01.23 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 17:01.31 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: In your case. |
| 17:01.50 | funnyguy | what is the gnu utility u can use on text files that are sorted to remove duplicate lines ? |
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| 17:02.05 | nevyn | funnyguy: sort -u |
| 17:02.06 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 17:02.08 | | Passed |
| 17:02.08 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: don't you have something useful to do like jamming your head into the waste disposal unit? |
| 17:02.08 | nevyn | funnyguy: or uniq |
| 17:02.16 | thomas_adam | yay |
| 17:02.27 | funnyguy | nevyn : tks i had forgotten =p |
| 17:02.28 | debian | blammo: you dont'. Btw, what do you need a journalling fs for? |
| 17:03.08 | nevyn | funnyguy: if you add -u to sort it removes duplicates anyway |
| 17:03.18 | thomas_adam | nevyn: I prefer uniq |
| 17:03.27 | thomas_adam | nevyn: since that is what it was designed for |
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| 17:04.52 | nevyn | thomas_adam: -u on sort is cheaper |
| 17:04.52 | nevyn | no additional fork() and pipe initialisation etc |
| 17:04.57 | coolnewbie | i need to install a utility which would allow me to select between the window managers during startup does any exist |
| 17:05.13 | nevyn | but to each their own. |
| 17:05.17 | g4lt | coolnewbie xdm|gdm|kdm |
| 17:05.19 | nevyn | coolnewbie: umm a X display manager would do that. |
| 17:05.19 | thomas_adam | nevyn: depends what you need to do, uniq has other features too |
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| 17:05.31 | nevyn | thomas_adam: this is true. and to each their own. |
| 17:05.42 | coolnewbie | thanks |
| 17:06.04 | mechan0r | how do I configure the default LANG I'm getting a ton of can't convert utf-8 to iso-8859-1 messages |
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| 17:06.24 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:06.56 | mechan0r | are you the rox guy? |
| 17:07.00 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: yues |
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| 17:07.05 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: that is one of my projects |
| 17:07.14 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: that I help with |
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| 17:07.41 | mechan0r | rox is flooding my X desktop with the can't convert messages |
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| 17:07.56 | thomas_adam | mechan0r: have you imagemagick installed? |
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| 17:09.35 | mechan0r | i'll check I went through a package purging session recently |
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| 17:09.54 | mechan0r | and I tend to do it with extreme prejudice |
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| 17:10.32 | lcolleton | I installed apache manually but now I want to use the packaged version. I've shutdown my manually installed version and when I try to apt-get install apache it gives me this error message: |
| 17:10.33 | lcolleton | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/apache: file does not exist |
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| 17:11.11 | lcolleton | This leaves apache installed but not configured or running. |
| 17:11.52 | tz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:12.53 | ircdevil | how do i solve this: Error: This document uses Type 3 fonts - some text may not be correctly displayed |
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| 17:13.37 | ircdevil | meow |
| 17:13.38 | mechan0r | imagemagick is installed |
| 17:13.44 | nwo | <dpkg> rumour has it, unicode is THE DEVIL! <-- does dpkg have a good resource how to enable UTF-8 in XFree and in consoles? |
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| 17:14.02 | greycat | nwo: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:14.07 | rice | how can I reconfigure a package? |
| 17:14.09 | mechan0r | (rox:21825): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Could not open converter from 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1': No such file or directory |
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| 17:14.39 | greycat | rice: dpkg-reconfigure foobar but it only works on *most* packages |
| 17:14.48 | chuck_ | Can aynyone tell me how to list all installed packages on a debian system? |
| 17:14.55 | mechan0r | dpkg -l |
| 17:14.55 | dpkg | mechan0r: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:14.57 | funnyguy | dpkg -l |
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| 17:15.14 | rice | greycat: can I install apache2 in debian testing? |
| 17:15.17 | chuck_ | how did I miss that in the man file.....sigh :) |
| 17:15.18 | chuck_ | thanks |
| 17:15.25 | greycat | rice: probably |
| 17:15.29 | funnyguy | rice : you can do whatever you please |
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| 17:15.38 | lewis | thomas_adam: hey there |
| 17:15.40 | rice | apt-get install apache2? |
| 17:15.44 | thomas_adam | lewis: hello. |
| 17:15.51 | mechan0r | thomas_adam, I've got imagemagick now what? |
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| 17:16.29 | arturaz | ~dpkg |
| 17:16.31 | | [dpkg] a bot |
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| 17:16.35 | arturaz | ~debian |
| 17:16.37 | | debian is, like, a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool or the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese, or one of the few respectable distros, or just works |
| 17:16.45 | arturaz | apt is blootbot too? |
| 17:16.47 | | i haven't a clue, arturaz |
| 17:16.53 | arturaz | ;] |
| 17:16.53 | dantez__ | I did exactly what it says apt but when I try to use expermiental and try to install x 4.3 , I get W: no priority or zero specified for pin |
| 17:16.56 | dantez__ | what i must do??? |
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| 17:17.07 | mechan0r | should I just set the default to iso-8859-1? |
| 17:17.10 | trend | hello, i need to portforward a port to a computer behind my firewall |
| 17:17.12 | trend | how do i do it? |
| 17:17.25 | mage | man iptables |
| 17:17.49 | redrick | 09:16 < arturaz> ~dpkg |
| 17:17.49 | redrick | 09:16 < apt> [dpkg] a bot |
| 17:17.49 | redrick | 09:16 -!- b00 [~koba@c4-ctn-194.dial-up.net] has joined #debian |
| 17:17.49 | redrick | 09:16 < arturaz> ~debian |
| 17:17.49 | redrick | 09:16 < apt> debian is, like, a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or |
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| 17:17.56 | nwo | greycat: dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- can I enable DE and JP at the same time? |
| 17:17.58 | mage | . |
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| 17:18.06 | thomas_adam | redrick: wb |
| 17:18.07 | nwo | greycat: UTF-8 should support it |
| 17:18.08 | redrick | Sorry. Slipped fingers. |
| 17:18.09 | ljlane | trend, /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ NAT HOWTO |
| 17:18.09 | b00 | redrick: ? |
| 17:18.10 | mage | !tell redrick about flood |
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| 17:18.19 | dantez__ | I use apt-get install xserver-xfree86 to install , but i got that |
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| 17:18.35 | greycat | nwo: you may generate as many locales as you wish. you only only *set* your locale to one at a time. |
| 17:18.50 | greycat | nwo: see "man locale" also |
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| 17:19.31 | arturaz | dpkg, tell arturaz dpkg |
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| 17:19.40 | nwo | greycat: No manual entry for local |
| 17:19.57 | greycat | nwo: you're blind, or just stupid? |
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| 17:20.21 | funnyguy | nwo : locale |
| 17:20.27 | thomas_adam | greycat: maybe creat() stole his 'e' from locale ? |
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| 17:20.34 | lewis | thomas_adam: look at in pm |
| 17:20.37 | nwo | greycat: blind, sry |
| 17:20.38 | tempo | how do i resolve this? No innd.pid file; did server die? |
| 17:20.47 | thomas_adam | lewis: will do |
| 17:21.00 | voice_ | how did you people manage to activate phpmyadmin in http://<myserver>/phpmyadmin without copying it into the htdocs directory of my apache? |
| 17:21.09 | thomas_adam | voice_: I haven't |
| 17:21.11 | funnyguy | tempo : normally is a process dies its pid file hangs around |
| 17:21.20 | voice_ | well.. the packagemanagers. |
| 17:21.22 | voice_ | apt-get did.. |
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| 17:21.42 | funnyguy | voice_ : they add and Alias statement in httpd.conf |
| 17:21.45 | mechan0r | this sucks |
| 17:21.49 | redrick | voice_: Via Apache directives. |
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| 17:21.55 | voice_ | hm |
| 17:21.59 | redrick | funnyguy: Exactly. |
| 17:22.05 | nwo | greycat: with a customizes keybopard layout I should be able to generate JP and DE special keys at a time, so why do I need to say wich UTF-8 locale to use> |
| 17:22.08 | voice_ | okay, I'll have a look at that. |
| 17:22.29 | dantez__ | can somebody tell me please??? |
| 17:22.31 | nwo | greycat: UTF-8 should be independent of JP and DE |
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| 17:23.08 | greycat | nwo: locales cover output language choices as well as input methods |
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| 17:23.22 | kerneld | Anyone use poptop? I am getting low speed VPN connections, and I am trying to see where the bottleneck is. poptop server has 0.1 % cpu load, and client system has about 5% cpu utilisation and the connection is via 100 MB Ether |
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| 17:23.37 | |Maik| | hi |
| 17:23.49 | kerneld | I can only get about 180kbps |
| 17:24.02 | greycat | sounds like a duplex mismatch |
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| 17:24.09 | |Maik| | how i create disk boot for my debian |
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| 17:24.21 | nwo | greycat: in IRC I get DE and JP messages, how to enable the cosole to be able to display both? |
| 17:24.22 | |Maik| | boot disk for CDROM |
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| 17:24.39 | rice | the mysql.err log says access denied for users 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' ?? after i upgrade mysql |
| 17:24.41 | rice | why? |
| 17:24.47 | ToreSB | BBRA Ban Recursive Acronyms! |
| 17:24.56 | lewis | thomas_adam: did you get my pm? |
| 17:24.59 | g4lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.02 | kerneld | greycat: no packetloss |
| 17:25.18 | kerneld | ppp2 or whatever shows no errors either |
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| 17:26.07 | bizkit | why doesn |
| 17:26.11 | bizkit | args. |
| 17:26.25 | coolnewbie | i need to install gnome in my deb sarge system should i add any mirror to sources.list |
| 17:26.32 | Turbonutter | hey - I'm using debian unstable for the first time in ages, and I can't find php4-apache2 or libapache2-mod-php4 or suchlike package that will provide libexec/libphp4.so - is there no php4 for apache2 module in debian unstable at the moment? |
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| 17:26.55 | bizkit | why doesn't my xserver use 100dpi? i start using xinit, and in the xinit/xserverrc X is called with -dpi 100. any ideas? |
| 17:27.12 | thomas_adam | bizkit: font path order? |
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| 17:27.21 | lewis | thomas_adam: hello? |
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| 17:27.30 | bizkit | thomas_adam: 100dpi in front of 75dpi.. |
| 17:27.31 | thomas_adam | lewis: one second, patience! |
| 17:27.35 | thomas_adam | bizkit: good |
| 17:27.36 | lewis | k :P |
| 17:28.24 | arnbak | how do I change font sizes and types in gtk2 apps without gnome control center ? |
| 17:28.48 | bizkit | thomas_adam: i'm really confused. worked all the time i used sid in the past. no i switched back from gentoo to sid, and can't get my x user 100dpi.. the XF86Config-4 is ok, is there anything else ill have to change? |
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| 17:28.56 | bizkit | s/no/now/ |
| 17:29.24 | tempo | funnyguy: how do i get rid of that msg? |
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| 17:30.34 | lsorense | bizkit: using gdm/kdm/xdm? |
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| 17:31.54 | bizkit | lsorense: xinit. |
| 17:32.07 | thomas_adam | bizkit: hmm |
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| 17:32.15 | bizkit | lsorense: like i said, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc uses -dpi 100 |
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| 17:32.41 | trend | whats wrong with: |
| 17:32.42 | trend | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p TCP -d 66.188.79.28 --dport 1433 -j DNAT --to 10.10.10.43:1433 |
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| 17:34.48 | pole | anyone have any decent quake III icons? |
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| 17:35.20 | lsorense | bizkit: hmm, odd and it still does 75dpi? |
| 17:35.38 | trend | ok got it |
| 17:35.41 | bizkit | lsorense: yap |
| 17:35.52 | thomas_adam | bizkit: how strange |
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| 17:35.56 | lsorense | trend: what was in the wrong order? |
| 17:36.38 | trend | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.41 | trend | is what i shold of been doing |
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| 17:37.01 | LSorensen | trend: oh caps on tcp doesn't work :) |
| 17:38.03 | trend | crap |
| 17:38.08 | trend | doesn't look like it works :( |
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| 17:38.39 | mechan0r | thomas_adam, I have imagemagick how do I get those messages to stop coming up (can I suppress the error stream)? |
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| 17:39.58 | LSorensen | trend: how did you test it? |
| 17:40.06 | bluegate | Hello, i want to run debian unstable with kernel 2.6. Are there some real big problems that i have to go thru? |
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| 17:40.43 | LSorensen | bluegate: Probably not. There are 2.6.0-test11 images in sid already |
| 17:41.02 | LSorensen | bluegate: make sure module-init-tools and such are up to date |
| 17:41.27 | bluegate | LSorensen: What about alsa? does it work? what about the kernel source? |
| 17:41.41 | trend | LSorensen can you telnet into n1g.homeip.net:1433 ? |
| 17:41.56 | thomas_adam | trend: telnet??? |
| 17:41.59 | thomas_adam | trend: ssh, surely :) |
| 17:42.13 | trend | uhrm... newb |
| 17:42.56 | LSorensen | bluegate: alsa better work, it's part of the 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:43.02 | lewis | thomas_adam: don't forget about it punk |
| 17:43.12 | thomas_adam | lewis: I haven't |
| 17:43.42 | trend | anyeon teling into it? |
| 17:43.43 | g4lt | thomas_adam uhm, you can't ssh into arbitrary ports... |
| 17:43.44 | LSorensen | trend: did you make sure that you permit port 1433 in on eth0 in the INPUT chain? |
| 17:43.47 | trend | yep |
| 17:44.01 | LSorensen | trend: and you permit traffic on eth1 to do whatever it wants? |
| 17:44.06 | trend | yep |
| 17:44.33 | LSorensen | trend: well I am trying to connect to it, but no response yet. Try doing 'tcpdump -i eth1 -v 'port 1433' |
| 17:44.49 | LSorensen | trend: see if it is even getting by the firewall. Then try with eth0 and see if they are being received |
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| 17:45.23 | trend | LSorensen yes it is |
| 17:45.33 | LSorensen | trend: so it is getting to eth1 with the right destination ip? |
| 17:45.37 | trend | yep |
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| 17:46.09 | trend | and i can telnet into 10.10.10.43:1433 |
| 17:46.12 | LSorensen | trend: any responses coming from 10.whatever on port 1433? |
| 17:46.17 | PingLH | Where is lilo file located at? |
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| 17:46.44 | greycat | PingLH: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 17:46.47 | petemc | PingLH: /etc/lilo.conf , unsurprisingly |
| 17:47.00 | LSorensen | trend: I assume 10.10.10.43 can access the internet though that machine perfectly |
| 17:47.01 | Turbonutter | hey - I'm using debian unstable for the first time in ages, and I can't find php4-apache2 or libapache2-mod-php4 or suchlike package that will provide libexec/libphp4.so - is there no php4 for apache2 module in debian unstable at the moment? |
| 17:47.08 | trend | yep |
| 17:47.11 | trend | that is the one i am on right now |
| 17:47.18 | LSorensen | Turbonutter: not yet |
| 17:47.31 | LSorensen | Turbonutter: apache2 is really not ready for production use yet it seems |
| 17:47.31 | Turbonutter | okay LSorensen, thanks |
| 17:47.37 | Turbonutter | ah I see |
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| 17:47.56 | vile_maxim | Is there a way to pass kernel options after the boot. I forgot to add append="/dev/hdd=ide-scsi" in lilo and don't want to reboot. |
| 17:48.08 | LSorensen | trend: hmm, is tcpdump showing responses from 10.10.10.43:1433 going out again? |
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| 17:48.30 | debian | vile_maxim: what do you want ide-scsi for? |
| 17:48.36 | drega_ | whats an easy way to test my modem? |
| 17:48.44 | drega_ | i have it working but have no dialup account . |
| 17:48.50 | tarzeau | drega_: wvdial ? |
| 17:48.53 | vile_maxim | debian cd burner |
| 17:48.59 | tarzeau | drega_: you can just start minicom |
| 17:49.02 | trend | all i9 see is 03:12:43.167203 10.10.10.43.4173 > whatever |
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| 17:49.03 | drega_ | i just want to dial a regular # to see if it gets a dial toan |
| 17:49.03 | tarzeau | drega_: and make it call yourself |
| 17:49.06 | debian | vile_maxim: you don't need scsi emulation for cd burning |
| 17:49.16 | drega_ | ya that sounds good |
| 17:49.18 | LSorensen | vile_maxim: sure, use modules for your cdrom and ide-scsi and such and you can reconfigure it at will without rebooting, and you never need to pass options to the kernel again |
| 17:49.20 | tarzeau | drega_: ATDC0041764367200 |
| 17:49.22 | debian | drega_: atdt911 |
| 17:49.25 | tarzeau | drega_: enter that command |
| 17:49.28 | debian | drega_: j/k, don't do this |
| 17:49.47 | hacim | is there any way to tell what CPU you have without opening the case, unmounting the heatsink and fan and trying to decipher what is on it? |
| 17:49.56 | LSorensen | hacim: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:50.08 | Zenox | when i installed the postfix package i chose "no configuration" by mistake... is it possible to rerun the post-configuration afterwards without having to uninstall and install everything over again? |
| 17:50.12 | peteH | Hi. Can anyone suggest the easiest way to get XFree86 4.3 on debian unstable? |
| 17:50.16 | LSorensen | hacim: assuming it is installed correctly and running at the right bus speed |
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| 17:50.21 | ljlane | drega_: echo ATDT1234567 > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:50.26 | tarzeau | peteH: using experimental |
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| 17:50.37 | trend | LSorensen anything else i need to enable? |
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| 17:50.40 | sussudio | Zenox: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 17:50.41 | ljlane | debian, then echo ATH0 > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:50.43 | Orhanus | hi an alle |
| 17:50.53 | tarzeau | apt german |
| 17:50.57 | | extra, extra, read all about it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 17:50.57 | sussudio | !german |
| 17:50.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 17:50.58 | skyblue | tarzeau: great, but XFree86 4.3 from experimental refuse to use cursor themes. cool, eh? |
| 17:50.59 | hacim | LSorensen: yeah, but that wont tell you if it is an AMD MP 1600 or an AMD XP 1900 or whatever |
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| 17:51.00 | debian | ljlane: thanks, but my /dev/ttyS0 is the ups device. |
| 17:51.06 | peteH | tarzeau: Sorry to be a bit of an idiot. Can you explain what steps I may require? |
| 17:51.07 | tarzeau | skyblue: yeah :) |
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| 17:51.17 | vile_maxim | debian: LSorensen: I must be missing something. the burner works when I add that option adn doesn't even get seen as a cdburner if I don't. I read a how-to a while ago which is where I got the idea. How do you guys do it? |
| 17:51.21 | tarzeau | peteH: no |
| 17:51.23 | hacim | LSorensen: it does say model name : AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2000+, but I am pretty sure it was a 1900 or less |
| 17:51.24 | Zenox | sussudio: ah thanks! :) |
| 17:51.28 | Orhanus | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.28 | kromagg | if I have a couple of dangling symlinks in my manpages after removing a certain package, should I post a bugreport on it? |
| 17:51.31 | ljlane | debian, adjust it for the modem device |
| 17:51.36 | LSorensen | trend: well if you see the packets coming in with destination of 10.10.10.43 and if you see responses from 10.10.10.43 going back to the original requester, then you just have to check the firewall is letting those packets out again, otherwise it seems whatever is on 1433 on 10.10.10.43 doesn't want to accept requests from outside ips |
| 17:51.49 | ljlane | drega_, that stuff for debian was for you |
| 17:51.56 | debian | ljlane: I wonder what will happen when I send at command to my ups . :) |
| 17:52.00 | MoDaX | skyblue: I use cursor themes w/o any problems |
| 17:52.05 | sussudio | Orhanus: hey retard, is twice not enough for you? |
| 17:52.05 | ljlane | debian, :) |
| 17:52.13 | LSorensen | hacim: well then either it is overclocked on the board or in the bios (or by someone playing with the traces on the cpu packaging) or you are mistaken |
| 17:52.33 | debian | sussudio: in german or he'll not stop. :) |
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| 17:52.44 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:52.52 | thomas_adam | J_P: |
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| 17:52.56 | hacim | LSorensen: I'll chose: I'm mistaken |
| 17:53.00 | J_P | thomas_adam whats up ? |
| 17:53.03 | LSorensen | hacim: does it run reliably? |
| 17:53.04 | debian | @tell Orhanus about german |
| 17:53.04 | Orhanus | sussudio twice??? why twice |
| 17:53.11 | debian | third tims now |
| 17:53.11 | hallux | How can I use diff to tell me the diff between the output of two commands (without writing them to a file) |
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| 17:53.22 | hacim | LSorensen: yeah it does |
| 17:53.39 | J_P | people i have one question, mplayer show this message above when show video mpeg-4, can I work withou problem with videos send this messages : ? |
| 17:53.39 | peteH | thanks petermc for pointing the bot with the little answer I required. |
| 17:53.42 | LSorensen | hallux: ehm, maybe you can use named pipes. Not sure how to use those though |
| 17:53.48 | hacim | LSorensen: except the other chip seemed to have fried, I removed it and that made things stop crashing, so I need a replacement |
| 17:53.51 | LSorensen | hacim: then it is probably set correctly :) |
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| 17:54.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84bc4f0]vop not coded 0% |
| 17:54.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84bc4f0]ac-tex damaged at 28 1 |
| 17:54.05 | J_P | [mpeg4 @ 0x84bc4f0]Error at MB: 69 |
| 17:54.16 | J_P | have anyone problem ? |
| 17:54.18 | LSorensen | hacim: check the stepping and family and all that in cpuinfo and get one that macthes all that |
| 17:54.23 | J_P | or is one simple warning... |
| 17:54.27 | LSorensen | running the same frequency cpuinfo reports |
| 17:54.31 | trend | d |
| 17:54.34 | debian | e |
| 17:54.44 | LSorensen | hacim: you can check the settings in the bios too for the multiplier and bus speed to make sure |
| 17:55.00 | sussudio | ~tell J_P about flood |
| 17:55.05 | hacim | LSorensen: you can purchase a CPU with that much specs? (family 6, stepping 2) |
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| 17:55.23 | vile_maxim | Is there a way to pass kernel options after the boot. I forgot to add append="/dev/hdd=ide-scsi" in lilo and don't want to reboot. |
| 17:55.28 | hacim | LSorensen: cpu MHz : 1666.778 |
| 17:55.40 | hacim | vile_maxim: heh |
| 17:55.45 | dondelelcaro | vile_maxim: if you have ide-scsi as a module, sure. |
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| 17:55.52 | sussudio | hacim: athlon 700? |
| 17:56.01 | J_P | sussudio 3 lines is flood ? |
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| 17:56.18 | sussudio | J_P: it was unnecessary. |
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| 17:56.32 | arturaz | what's syntax for dpkg tell? |
| 17:56.33 | J_P | sussudio how i pasted then ? |
| 17:56.45 | hacim | sussudio: ? I think it is a MP 2000+ |
| 17:56.46 | vile_maxim | dondelelcaro: it is a module... I think I'm missing something |
| 17:56.48 | LSorensen | hacim: so probably so 12.5*133 or 10*166 |
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| 17:57.00 | LSorensen | hacim: sounds pretty likely |
| 17:57.10 | sussudio | can someone put the "paste in #flood" in the topic again? |
| 17:57.13 | dondelelcaro | vile_maxim: so rmmod ide-scsi; modprobe ide-scsi <options> |
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| 17:57.26 | sirReal | my libxv1 won't upgrade to -pre1v5 cause xlibs is -pre1v4, but if i try to upgrade xlibs, it and all its depends break. can anyone help me? |
| 17:57.29 | rice | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.39 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here [/topic #flood] |
| 17:57.45 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: tnx. |
| 17:57.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 17:57.53 | drega_ | exit |
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| 17:59.09 | hacim | LSorensen: I think we did this to figure out if I had ddr 2100 once :) |
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| 18:00.16 | bkw | anybody who has a travelmate 662lci ? |
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| 18:01.07 | sussudio | ~tell bkw about polls |
| 18:01.11 | sussudio | ~tell bkw about ask |
| 18:01.14 | vile_maxim | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 18:01.27 | LSorensen | hacim: looks like athlon MPs run 133bus, so I guess it must be a 12.5 |
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| 18:01.49 | LSorensen | hacim: and hence ddr2100 (266mhz) ram |
| 18:02.02 | qtio | I've just upgraded courier-imap and it breaks my vpopmail/qmail set up, whats the best way to move back to my previous version? |
| 18:02.20 | bkw | sussudio: I would just ask if the gfx works fine in linux, well. I won't do that. |
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| 18:02.35 | thinkgee1 | Hi there |
| 18:03.51 | thinkgee1 | How can I see if the "Parallel port support" is compiled into my running kernel? |
| 18:03.54 | LSorensen | bkw: what ever is gfx? |
| 18:03.56 | amphi | bkw: what video card is in it? |
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| 18:04.11 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: I always make it a module |
| 18:04.17 | thomas_adam | thinkgee1: grep /boot/config-$(uname-r) for ie |
| 18:04.19 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: I think most kernel packages would too |
| 18:04.28 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: dmesg|grep -i lp |
| 18:04.58 | thinkgee1 | Ok, thanks |
| 18:05.00 | thinkgee1 | LSorensen: I do so |
| 18:05.08 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: greo PARPORT /boot/config-version |
| 18:05.14 | thinkgee1 | deathangel:~# dmesg | grep -i lp |
| 18:05.14 | thinkgee1 | On node 0 totalpages: 49136 |
| 18:05.26 | thinkgee1 | LSorensen: In this case I didn't it |
| 18:06.10 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: so not built in, perhaps modprobe parport_pc works |
| 18:06.13 | thinkgee1 | I don't have /boot/config-*. I think it is because I do not do a make instal sentence |
| 18:06.26 | Korn | zxcasd |
| 18:06.40 | Korn | ~hump LSorensen |
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| 18:06.54 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: no, if you don't use make-kpkg to build a .deb of your kernel, you won't have a config file in /boot |
| 18:06.56 | Korn | ~set up x |
| 18:06.58 | | somebody said set up x was To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 18:07.04 | Korn | dpkg is gay |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Korn: i don't know |
| 18:07.06 | Korn | lol |
| 18:07.14 | thinkgee1 | LSorensen: I do not do that :) |
| 18:07.15 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: make install in the kernel source is just sick. It makes such idiotic assumptions |
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| 18:07.29 | thinkgee1 | deathangel:/# make-kpkg |
| 18:07.29 | thinkgee1 | -bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 18:07.30 | thinkgee1 | :) |
| 18:07.39 | g4lt | LSorensen so what's the downside? |
| 18:07.47 | ljlane | makes you think you should install it |
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| 18:08.10 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: I always use make-kpkg to build a /deb that I can install and uninstall cleanly (and it even updates grub automatically for me) |
| 18:08.18 | LSorensen | g4lt: to what? |
| 18:08.29 | thinkgee1 | LSorensen: Great! :) |
| 18:08.54 | g4lt | LSorensen cd /usr/src/linux && make install |
| 18:09.03 | LSorensen | thinkgee1: and builds the alsa-modules for me too to macth |
| 18:09.11 | thinkgee1 | LSorensen: Even? :O |
| 18:09.16 | Kr0nd0r | I've asked this in #mipslinux with no help so I'll try here. I have a cobalt qube 2 (mipsel) it has a very broken debian install on it, when I null modem into it I can't find an option to change network settings to network boot it. My question is if I setup tftp and dhcp and try to reinstall debian will it actually work or is there no way to reinstall the OS at this point? |
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| 18:09.27 | LSorensen | g4lt: it clobbers files in / (if they are tehre) or puts files in /, and seems to assume you use lilo |
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| 18:10.11 | g4lt | LSorensen that's not sick, that's stupid. why didn't you say that the first time? ;P |
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| 18:10.51 | Cire | a tool tells me to install glib. Which version should I install? (1.2, 2.0 ?) |
| 18:10.53 | LSorensen | g4lt: well perhaps it's beyond sick. Stupid might be a good word for it. |
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| 18:11.08 | moberry | Cire newer is always better in linuxland |
| 18:11.28 | g4lt | sick is writing an editor in lisp, stupid is writing one in perl |
| 18:11.35 | LSorensen | Cire: the version the other program expects |
| 18:11.38 | Cire | moberry: also in kernel questions? *g* |
| 18:11.41 | tempo | how do i encrypt and insert usr and pass to a file called passwd? so i want to insert into a file called passwd the user and the encrypt passwd |
| 18:11.58 | LSorensen | g4lt: I guess I can agree with that |
| 18:12.01 | moberry | Cire i would recommend 2.0 |
| 18:12.03 | thomas_adam | tempo: err, what? |
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| 18:12.09 | Cire | okay, thanks |
| 18:12.12 | moberry | Cire 2.0 will support 1.2 stuff |
| 18:12.18 | thomas_adam | tempo: shadow passwds do not use /etc/passwd |
| 18:12.22 | bkw | amphi: integrated 3D AGP Dynamic Video Memory Technology (DVMT) and up to 64 MB of VRAM |
| 18:12.26 | Xenguy | Hello folks - I am interested in trying out a CMS called 'drupal', but it is not packaged for woody/stable (also don't see it on apt-get.org). Assuming there are no backports of drupal to woody available, I'm wondering if apt 'pinning' might be worth a try? I've never messed with pinning yet, and I'm just wondering if there are any caveats I should be aware of, or OTOH whether it is likely to work just fine? |
| 18:12.33 | LSorensen | tempo: adduser does a pretty good job for normal accounts |
| 18:13.03 | g4lt | Xenguy I'd suggest you check if it's available in sid first... |
| 18:13.13 | g4lt | ~find drupal |
| 18:13.18 | Cire | ehm, now apt-get tells me libglibs would be already the newest version... so my tool which told me to install it can't find it |
| 18:13.23 | Xenguy | g4lt: it is |
| 18:13.24 | LSorensen | Xenguy: other than most binaries require a newer glibc, hence requireing it to be upgraded (which may or may not be considered a drastic downside) |
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| 18:14.23 | thinkgeek | Hi again :) |
| 18:14.26 | Active2 | hmm slackware is really of to the base |
| 18:14.36 | thinkgeek | Using /lib/modules/2.4.23/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o |
| 18:14.36 | thinkgeek | parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] |
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| 18:14.40 | qtio | does anyone know if dual processors need to be matched or could i put a 933 with a 900 mhz? |
| 18:14.41 | tempo | thomas_adam && LSorensen (hi) i don't want to create a new usr. i created a file called 'passwd' which holds the usr and the passwd for exim's smtp. so when a user tries to use smtp it auth. him/her using that file. Inside the passwd file i just want to have : username encryptpasswd |
| 18:14.47 | thinkgeek | Ok, I got it loaded. Let's see the error |
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| 18:14.56 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: looks pretty good |
| 18:15.07 | Xenguy | LSorensen: hmmm, not sure what the implications of the glibc would be |
| 18:15.08 | g4lt | qtio operative word here is SYMMETRIC multiprocessing... |
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| 18:15.20 | Xenguy | LSorensen: er, upgraded glibc |
| 18:15.23 | Cire | libmov tells me: The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found |
| 18:15.31 | LSorensen | Xenguy: it is THE library used by all C programs |
| 18:15.43 | petemc | tempo: thats easy to do |
| 18:15.53 | qtio | g4lt gotcha |
| 18:16.02 | Xenguy | LSorensen: yes, but I am uncertain of what impact upgrading it on woody will have |
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| 18:16.07 | tempo | petemc: how? makepasswd usr --filename ? |
| 18:16.08 | LSorensen | Xenguy: it seems to be pretty well tested by now so I guess it isn't that big a deal anymore. It used to be a bit wonky at times when they first swtiched to the new version |
| 18:16.24 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: What do you think? |
| 18:16.30 | LSorensen | Xenguy: well going back to 2.2 won't happen. |
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| 18:16.39 | petemc | tempo: i use a perl script to do the whole lot (and more), but you should be able to use mkpasswd from the whois package |
| 18:16.50 | Xenguy | LSorensen: OK, so upgrading glibc on woody is unlikely to break any existing programs (apache, mailman, etc.) ? |
| 18:16.52 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: Well I run unstable so I am not the one to ask. |
| 18:16.56 | whe | can I install Debian without a monitor, using telnet, ssh or vnc? |
| 18:17.03 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: I run testing. |
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| 18:17.20 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: I wouldn't do it on a production system yet, although some people do use pinning on production systems (not sure if it is a good idea or not) |
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| 18:17.24 | Xenguy | LSorensen: I run sid on my desktops, but woody on this server |
| 18:17.30 | Cire | how can I set up Environment variables? |
| 18:17.34 | g4lt | whe it depends on your computer. some computers won't even boot without a monitor... |
| 18:17.36 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: well if you run testing already, there is not much difference there. |
| 18:17.44 | LSorensen | oops. god lost |
| 18:17.47 | XpTerminator | hello |
| 18:17.53 | whe | g4lt: My computer boots without a monitor.. |
| 18:18.02 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: But you might have an remote idea of what's happening |
| 18:18.08 | thomas_adam | g4lt: that's complete crap :) |
| 18:18.14 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: I god mixed up |
| 18:18.22 | thomas_adam | Cire: add them to ~/.bash_profile and export them |
| 18:18.27 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: modprobe parport; modprobe lp |
| 18:18.35 | g4lt | thomas_adam really? try booting a Compaq Prolinea without a monitor one day... |
| 18:18.38 | thinkgeek | deathangel:~# modprobe lp |
| 18:18.38 | thinkgeek | modprobe: Can't locate module lp |
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| 18:18.49 | tempo | petemc: there was a simple command that allows one to insert the encrypted password and the username into a specific file |
| 18:18.58 | thomas_adam | g4lt: I don't touch Compaqs fullstop. |
| 18:19.03 | thinkgeek | I think I found the problem :) |
| 18:19.04 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: who built this kernel? |
| 18:19.11 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: Me. |
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| 18:19.25 | qtio | What is the easiest way to downgrade a package installed by apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:19.35 | g4lt | whe you can theoretically install via PXE, but expect lots of pain |
| 18:19.35 | LSorensen | thinkgeek: make lp, and pc parport support modular and you will be able to load it properlyt |
| 18:19.46 | whe | g4lt: PXE? |
| 18:19.53 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: I know. That was a stupid error :) |
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| 18:19.58 | LSorensen | qtio: apt-get install package/stable or whichever, or dpkg -i olderpackage.deb |
| 18:20.00 | thinkgeek | LSorensen: Thank you so much. |
| 18:20.11 | petemc | tempo: im not aware of such a command, like i say, i use the silly::werder perl module to generate a password and crypt it before putting it in /etc/exim/passwd |
| 18:20.16 | qtio | thanks LSorensen |
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| 18:20.18 | g4lt | whe the x86 version of bootp |
| 18:20.19 | Cire | I am told to set up the GLIB_CONFIG env var to my glib-dir. Having now understood how to set up the var, where is my glib-path? |
| 18:20.27 | LSorensen | whe: modern network boot system on PCs |
| 18:20.36 | thomas_adam | Cire: nonono, do not define that there.... |
| 18:20.45 | Cire | oh... |
| 18:20.46 | whe | Ah, okay okay.. |
| 18:20.55 | LSorensen | g4lt: more like bootp/dhcp/tftp in one |
| 18:20.56 | qwerty_ | Why would cdrecord force me to work at 4x when I have a 24x burner? |
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| 18:21.04 | thomas_adam | Cire: export GLIB_CONFIG=$(which $(dirname glib-config)) |
| 18:21.08 | ecraven | how can i get a japanese rxvt?? |
| 18:21.10 | thomas_adam | bah |
| 18:21.21 | thomas_adam | Cire: export GLIB_CONFIG=$(dirname $(which glib-config)) |
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| 18:21.29 | LSorensen | qwerty_: did you tell it a --speed? |
| 18:21.36 | qwerty_ | LSorensen --speed=24 |
| 18:21.38 | Cire | which of those lines is right? |
| 18:21.38 | g4lt | LSorensen that's kind of implicit: you really can't do bootp without rarp and tftp |
| 18:21.39 | LSorensen | qwerty_: what kind of blank are you using? |
| 18:21.44 | thomas_adam | Cire: last one |
| 18:21.47 | Cire | okay |
| 18:21.49 | LSorensen | ecraven: rxvt-ml or somethign I think |
| 18:21.57 | Cire | just insert the line? |
| 18:22.01 | giobatta | Hi all, After an update of kdm to latest, X refuse to start complaining about X auth; gdm works and boot my debian/unstable. Any missing packages cause by a distracted use of Aptitude or what? |
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| 18:22.06 | LSorensen | qwerty_: might work. I tend to use --sped 24 or speed=24 |
| 18:22.14 | ecraven | LSorensen: how can i enter japanese characters? |
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| 18:22.20 | LSorensen | g4lt: well you could if all you wanted was an ip :) |
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| 18:22.26 | qwerty_ | LSorensen man am I stupid. I was in here asking the same thing last night, got real drunk and then realized the cd's are only 4x then I forgot about it. Im the winner of the stupidest person in the world award, hurray for me! |
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| 18:22.40 | LSorensen | g4lt: don't remember if I ever needed rarp |
| 18:22.51 | LSorensen | ecraven: get an input method. xinput or some such |
| 18:23.01 | LSorensen | qwerty_: well at least you know the cause know |
| 18:23.10 | Cire | which command shows me my env vars? |
| 18:23.14 | LSorensen | qwerty_: cdrecord tries to keep users from doing bad things :) |
| 18:23.15 | ecraven | LSorensen: how can i use them? |
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| 18:23.19 | thomas_adam | Cire: export |
| 18:23.22 | LSorensen | Cire: surpisingly the command 'env' |
| 18:23.23 | petemc | Cire: set |
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| 18:23.27 | petemc | heh |
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| 18:23.33 | qwerty_ | LSorensen :) |
| 18:23.36 | Cire | great! |
| 18:24.15 | LSorensen | ecraven: not sure. I have no idea how to type japaneese or other such thing, so I don't really know |
| 18:24.15 | Cire | glib-config is now set to "" |
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| 18:24.15 | ecraven | LSorensen: tx anyway :) |
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| 18:24.16 | thomas_adam | Cire: which means that it was not in your $PATH |
| 18:24.22 | LSorensen | qwerty_: which reminds me I really ought to try burning a cd on my new writer sometime before the warrenty expires :) |
| 18:24.28 | LSorensen | ecraven: they should have docs |
| 18:25.04 | Cire | so, libglib wasn't installed correctly? |
| 18:25.20 | Cire | or should I put it manually in $path |
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| 18:25.39 | LSorensen | ecraven: apt-cache search input|grep method |
| 18:25.49 | thomas_adam | Cire: apt-get install libglib1.2-dev |
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| 18:26.24 | Cire | hmm, is this neccessary? Version 2.3.sth is installed yet |
| 18:26.27 | funnyguy | if i don't have active directory running on a winders server, can i have xp hosts auth to an ldap directory running on debian? |
| 18:27.08 | LSorensen | funnyguy: perhaps using samba you could. Not sure. Perhaps ldap itself would work |
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| 18:27.20 | funnyguy | hmm |
| 18:27.52 | LSorensen | funnyguy: samba has gotten quite good at pretending to be a PDC |
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| 18:30.39 | kokko | problem : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.1.15-1_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./bin/ps' before installing new version: Operation not permitted -- i am root, please advice |
| 18:30.52 | vexation | ok, this may sound like a silly question but... I always see peoples screen shoots of thier desktop - they have a transparent (or slightly transparent) terminal window on the desktop that looks like it is built right in with no titlebar or anything - how do you do that? |
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| 18:31.40 | LSorensen | vexation: depends on the window manager and the xterm in use |
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| 18:31.52 | ddent | Installing Debian, the intel-gige driver will not install. |
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| 18:32.08 | coolnewbie | could any one tell mirror to be added to sources.list for gnome2.4 for testing |
| 18:32.11 | ddent | "symbol for parameter debug not found" |
| 18:32.18 | ddent | 3.0r1 "woody" |
| 18:32.30 | vexation | LSorensen: I use Blackbox, and it doesnt matter - i will use any terminal |
| 18:32.43 | hallux | What can I use as a regex for sed to be able to extract the time in the format 12:12:45 |
| 18:32.47 | LSorensen | ddent: is the module compiled for THAT excact kernel? |
| 18:33.04 | LSorensen | vexation: try eterm. I don't use such slowdown toys |
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| 18:33.19 | ddent | LSorensen: Ask the Debian developers. |
| 18:33.26 | ddent | "Init module : Device or resource busy" |
| 18:33.30 | ddent | Installing CD 1 of Debian/ |
| 18:33.31 | ddent | Installing CD 1 of Debian. |
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| 18:33.35 | drega | how can i tell what usb device my mouse is plugged into? is there a mouseconfig or similar item like in slackwar? |
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| 18:34.49 | ddent | Every single time I have ever installed any Linux there has been some weird ass problem no one knows the answer to" |
| 18:34.51 | dondelelcaro | when you have > 20 terms open, eterm and similar memory hogs are a PITA. Even with > 1G of ram. |
| 18:34.58 | LSorensen | hallux: 's/.*\([0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]\).*/\1/' |
| 18:35.20 | dondelelcaro | ddent: what module are you loading? intel-gige? from where? |
| 18:35.27 | ddent | dondelelcaro: install cd |
| 18:35.28 | LSorensen | ddent: Well last I installed on a machine with an e1000 there wasn't even a driver on the install cd for it |
| 18:35.30 | hallux | LSorensen: would doing [0-9]+: etc be similar? |
| 18:35.43 | LSorensen | ddent: perhaps 3.0r2 would work better. Not sure. |
| 18:35.48 | dondelelcaro | ddent: there are at least 4 different kernels on the install cd. which one? |
| 18:35.52 | Cire | where can I usually find glib? (which dir on my machine) |
| 18:35.53 | ddent | default |
| 18:35.54 | LSorensen | hallux: if you don't mind matching 0:4:3 and 123:345:56 |
| 18:36.12 | hallux | or i could use the {2} |
| 18:36.15 | hallux | cool |
| 18:36.15 | hallux | thanks |
| 18:36.17 | dondelelcaro | Cire: it's generally called libc6, or glibc. Regardless, you want libc6-dev |
| 18:36.54 | Cire | nono, not the package. I have to add my glib path to the $PATH. So, wheres glib usually located, when installed? |
| 18:37.28 | LSorensen | Cire: is libglib1.2 and libglib1.2-dev installed? |
| 18:37.37 | dondelelcaro | Cire: you almost certainly don't. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:37.48 | Cire | not sure. I have got Version 2.3.sth |
| 18:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Cire: if you're trying to compile something, you want libc6-dev. |
| 18:38.02 | LSorensen | Cire: whatever is 2.3.sth? |
| 18:38.14 | thomas_adam | Cire: apt-get install libglib1.2-dev |
| 18:38.25 | majkl | can anybody help me with setting default route with ospf and zebra ? (on #zebra are everybody off) |
| 18:38.29 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: glib and glibc are two VERY different things |
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| 18:39.09 | Cire | okay, I mixed up something. Now installing 1.2 ;) |
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| 18:39.22 | thomas_adam | Cire: Merci beaucoup |
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| 18:39.34 | LSorensen | Cire: nothign using libglib will compile if libglib*-dev isn't installed |
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| 18:40.02 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: oh, right. I usually ignore that particular library though... |
| 18:40.10 | annoia_ | Is there any way to continue a copy, other than putting the file on an ftp and using the ftp resume function? |
| 18:40.30 | dondelelcaro | annoia_: what type of copy? |
| 18:40.39 | annoia_ | dondelelcaro - Local... cd--->harddrive |
| 18:40.49 | Cire | thomas: excuse moi, je n'ai pas dormi pour 19 heures |
| 18:41.00 | thomas_adam | Cire: bon dieu! |
| 18:41.06 | Cire | c'est ca! |
| 18:41.10 | Cire | ;) |
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| 18:41.26 | thomas_adam | Cire: I have not slept for 27 hours now |
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| 18:41.54 | Cire | now movtar WORKS! |
| 18:42.00 | Ahri | right now X is using up nearly 300MB of RAM on my system (I have 512MB), last night I ran into difficulties when things like mozilla were mysteriously being closed, so I checked dmesg and noticed that the system was out of RAM and was killing stuff off to claim some back. Fair enough, but X was using 500MB of RAM by that point... why is this? can I limit the amount of RAM that X can use? |
| 18:42.11 | dondelelcaro | annoia_: local copies generally cannot be resumed. if it's a local copy with multiple files, rsync can help, but not for a single file. |
| 18:42.14 | chacal | hi all. how do i remove apache and postgresql from the startup boot process ? |
| 18:42.25 | thomas_adam | chacal: man update-rc.d |
| 18:42.28 | annoia_ | dondelelcaro - Ok... Installing proftpd, then :( |
| 18:42.34 | chacal | thomas_adam ;( |
| 18:42.43 | ddent | honestly, modern windows(tm) seems to be more stable and resource friendly than x. |
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| 18:43.07 | chacal | thomas_adam if i want to add it back again, is it the same command? (of course, different parameters) |
| 18:43.11 | Ahri | ddent: that's what i was thinking when i booted to win2k :\ |
| 18:43.12 | pepepe | hello |
| 18:43.12 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: you're misreading X's memory status. |
| 18:43.13 | thomas_adam | chacal: yes |
| 18:43.19 | petemc | ddent: yer arse |
| 18:43.26 | MudBlud | Is it possible to log what my users do whilst on my server? (in every program, not just the shell.) |
| 18:43.28 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: the output of ps does not mean what you think it means. |
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| 18:43.29 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: how so? |
| 18:43.30 | ddent | Ahri: win2k3 even less so, believe it or not. |
| 18:43.31 | majkl | chacal: or manually delete links in /etc/rcX.d/ |
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| 18:43.40 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: man script |
| 18:43.47 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: i'm looking at the gnome system monitor |
| 18:43.50 | thomas_adam | majkl: ah, no |
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| 18:43.58 | ddent | GUI in 37 megs. |
| 18:43.58 | arauko | anyone knows what is the video chipset used by the compag armada laptops? |
| 18:44.02 | nolas | hi |
| 18:44.06 | ddent | But it's bootup is very fast. |
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| 18:44.10 | chacal | majkl i hardly ever need to do this, so i always forget. i know once i used a command to do it. |
| 18:44.14 | ddent | With the prefetching bootvis optimizations I suppose. |
| 18:44.15 | pepepe | When i start wdm in a remote machine it seems to enter some infinite loop; it keeps re-starting the x server. |
| 18:44.20 | nolas | how to make nforce2 work on a bf2.4 kernel? |
| 18:44.21 | pepepe | can anybody help me? |
| 18:44.24 | ddent | Extremely keyboard friendly as well. |
| 18:44.35 | majkl | MudBlud: apt-cache show acct |
| 18:44.37 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: and you're looking at the VSZ or RSS size, right? |
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| 18:44.51 | nolas | how to make nforce2 work on a 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel? |
| 18:44.56 | majkl | MudBlud: but you must have support in kernel (BSD accounting blablabla) |
| 18:44.57 | g4lt | ddent uhm modern windows is by no means 37 megs |
| 18:45.08 | g4lt | ddent it takes more RAM than that |
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| 18:45.14 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: i'm looking at the total used |
| 18:45.18 | arturaz | ~apt |
| 18:45.25 | | i heard apt is debian install tool or the same blootbot as ibot and jbot on freenode. see owner |
| 18:45.26 | ddent | g4lt: Not win2k3. |
| 18:45.26 | arturaz | !apt |
| 18:45.26 | dpkg | [apt] the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. missing |
| 18:45.26 | ddent | g4lt: And I could get win2k to 51 megs. |
| 18:45.30 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: RSS is ~36MB |
| 18:45.36 | ddent | Probably under 40 if I tried now. |
| 18:45.41 | g4lt | ddent the minimum RAM for w2k3 is 256M |
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| 18:45.44 | ddent | Windows has a lot of shit. |
| 18:45.52 | nolas | pozi |
| 18:45.55 | nolas | yeah |
| 18:45.57 | ddent | g4lt: I don't need to talk to you about it. |
| 18:46.04 | pepepe | can anybody help me? |
| 18:46.06 | pepepe | When i start wdm in a remote machine it seems to enter some infinite loop; it keeps re-starting the x server. |
| 18:46.09 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: the total used where? in /proc/meminfo? |
| 18:46.11 | ddent | I'll make screenshots one day when I feel like creating a worthwhile community. |
| 18:46.12 | g4lt | ddent s/to you// |
| 18:46.24 | nolas | pepepe ctl+alt+del |
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| 18:46.34 | g4lt | ddent do you have anything Debian-related to say? |
| 18:46.39 | pepepe | ?? |
| 18:46.40 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: total used by the X process |
| 18:46.44 | ddent | g4lt: Do you? |
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| 18:47.00 | ddent | Stop talking about win2k. |
| 18:47.02 | nolas | Does anybody made nforce2 work on a 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel? |
| 18:47.02 | MudBlud | Does script log everything typed or everything displayed? |
| 18:47.08 | pepepe | nolas: i want enter in windowmaker i don't want crash the x server |
| 18:47.12 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: ps axu|grep XFree86 |
| 18:47.26 | nolas | pepepe edit your .xinitrc |
| 18:47.30 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: both |
| 18:47.36 | MudBlud | Ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.53 | ddent | You can't answer my Debian questions. |
| 18:48.01 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: script -f ~/.some_session && col -b < ~/.some_session ~/.the_file |
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| 18:48.08 | thomas_adam | oppps |
| 18:48.09 | thomas_adam | FFS |
| 18:48.12 | streuner | nolas: get rid of the old kernel, take the .config and compile 2.6 kernel (/msg dpkg kp), for nvidia question just /j #nvidia |
| 18:48.12 | thomas_adam | ~lart thomas_adam |
| 18:48.15 | nolas | pepepe:and put this -> exec wmaker & |
| 18:48.16 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: the RSS and the VSZ sizes are what you want to look at. However, they include shared libraries, and memory segments allocated by other programs inside of X. |
| 18:48.21 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: script -f ~/.some_session && col -b < ~/.some_session > ~/.the_file |
| 18:48.25 | g4lt | ddent probably because I can't stand trolls like you long enough to bother answering a question |
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| 18:48.43 | ddent | g4lt: Don't be a winhatah. |
| 18:48.47 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: in short, some of the memory reported there is in shared by multiple applications, or has nothing whatsoever to do with X. |
| 18:48.51 | streuner | nolas: and patch the kernel to rc2 |
| 18:48.52 | MudBlud | Whats .some_session |
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| 18:48.59 | nolas | does anybody have an ASUS with nforce?? |
| 18:49.03 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: arbitrary example |
| 18:49.07 | pepepe | in other machine i dont use .xinitrc and it works perfectly |
| 18:49.08 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: man script |
| 18:49.19 | MudBlud | I have looked at it |
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| 18:49.26 | frehal | how do i reconfigure exim? dpkg-reconfigure exim dont work. |
| 18:49.27 | MudBlud | I cant see how I can make it look at a certain user |
| 18:49.31 | streuner | nolas: sure anybody does... |
| 18:49.35 | thomas_adam | frehal: eximconfig |
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| 18:49.53 | streuner | frehal: eximconfig |
| 18:50.01 | nolas | a good howto complie 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 18:50.04 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: set it running after they login |
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| 18:50.07 | g4lt | ddent DO NOT MESSAGE ME |
| 18:50.14 | nolas | a good 'howto' complie 2.6.0 kernel? |
| 18:50.27 | streuner | nolas: kernel-package has some good docs, also /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 18:50.31 | nolas | for newbies like me? |
| 18:50.47 | streuner | nolas: it wouldn't be a bad thing to read docs... |
| 18:50.47 | pepepe | nolas : http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 18:50.51 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz; especially the section on *) Why does the X server take up so much memory? |
| 18:50.55 | MudBlud | K, thnaks |
| 18:51.04 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: yw |
| 18:51.15 | nolas | pepepe tnx |
| 18:51.21 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: 306708 VZS, 36716 RSS. |
| 18:51.26 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: as for the "col -b" bit, that's important -- it just cleans the file up |
| 18:51.34 | pepepe | nolas: you are welcome |
| 18:51.49 | nolas | dondedelcaro no no no twm |
| 18:51.52 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks, Out of Memory: Killed process 28834 (btdownloadgui). <--- is the dmesg output i was getting, it killed a bunch of things |
| 18:51.53 | lazarus | nolas: stop repeating. /topic /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:52.02 | dondelelcaro | nolas: ? |
| 18:52.02 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: stop breathing. |
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| 18:52.39 | exobyte | I'm trying to get my modem to connect to the internet, but I get this error: Jan 2 01:00:15 debian pppd[1216]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 18:52.40 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: yerp. That's not to say that you weren't running out of memory. You were... but the problem (most likely) isn't X. [How much memory do you have, btw?] |
| 18:53.04 | frehal | thomas_adam: eximconfig doesnt work. |
| 18:53.09 | pepepe | When i start wdm in a remote machine it seems to enter some infinite loop; it keeps re-starting the x server. |
| 18:53.11 | streuner | !dpkg, nvidia is also http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 18:53.12 | dpkg | that's too long, streuner |
| 18:54.08 | streuner | !nvidia HOWTO is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 18:54.08 | dpkg | ...but nvidia howto is already something else... |
| 18:54.08 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: you'll also find that your AGP video card (you probably have a 128M one, right?) gets mapped into X's process space as well, even though its VRAM. |
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| 18:54.11 | thomas_adam | frehal: as 'root' |
| 18:54.13 | t_A_k | hi all. I normally have no problem troubleshooting network porblems but during a debian install, one got me stumped. |
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| 18:54.28 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: 512MB of physical RAM, i can't remember how large the swap partition is, probably 500MB. the AGP is a 64MB |
| 18:54.32 | streuner | !nvidia HOWTO is also http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 18:54.33 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 18:54.49 | qtio | How would I find a list of courier deb packages? |
| 18:54.51 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: yeah the swap is 500MB |
| 18:54.53 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: what window manager? |
| 18:54.57 | sandman | If I merely change my sources to testing, and only apt-get update |
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| 18:55.09 | sandman | But I haven't apt-get dist-upgraded yet, can I change my sources back, apt-get update again? |
| 18:55.10 | frehal | thomas_adam: yepp. im running testing. |
| 18:55.12 | sandman | And go back to stable? |
| 18:55.14 | pepepe | http:www.apt-get.org |
| 18:55.15 | t_A_k | everything seems to be fine with the 3c509 module loading & the IP configuration. What else should I look at if I'm not getting connectivity? |
| 18:55.18 | dondelelcaro | sandman: no. |
| 18:55.24 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: at the time i was using Xfce4, i switched to gnome for this session |
| 18:55.36 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I haven't installed anything from sid, yet. |
| 18:55.44 | sandman | dondelelcaro: All I've done is run update, NOT upgrade. |
| 18:55.51 | dondelelcaro | sandman: oh, you just went apt-get update. Sure, you can go back to stable. |
| 18:55.59 | streuner | t_A_k: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:56.00 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: i'm running sarge, and manually installed Xfce4 since it wasn't available |
| 18:56.04 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Aye, it happens |
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| 18:56.16 | dondelelcaro | !info xfce4 |
| 18:56.19 | dondelelcaro | !info xfce4 testing |
| 18:56.21 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.0.final-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 18:56.27 | pepepe | !info wdm |
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| 18:56.32 | dpkg | wdm: (WINGs Display Manager - an xdm replacement with a WindowMaker look), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.26-1 (sid), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB |
| 18:56.54 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: yeah, i know it is now, just not at the time, i spose i could remove it now and get the deb version |
| 18:57.07 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: it hasn't made it into sarge yet, actually. |
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| 18:57.29 | CasStyle | hello all. |
| 18:57.37 | t_A_k | streuner: yes. |
| 18:57.42 | helix` | !greet CasStyle |
| 18:57.43 | dpkg | Hi CasStyle! |
| 18:57.48 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: anyway, your problem (most likely) isn't the X server. You can figure out exactly where the memory X is using is comming from by looking at /proc/`pidof XFree86`/status |
| 18:57.51 | streuner | t_A_k: so what does not work? |
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| 18:58.22 | t_A_k | streuner: I can't ping another local machine or my router. |
| 18:58.31 | CasStyle | Who can I add a user to a group.. Lets say any user to group "audio" |
| 18:58.31 | CasStyle | ? |
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| 18:58.44 | streuner | t_A_k: even with the 'raw' IP, that's bad |
| 18:58.51 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll do that! |
| 18:59.06 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: read that FAQ entry as well... it'll help you figure out what's going on. |
| 18:59.12 | streuner | t_A_k: check the cables out, might be that the NIC is broken |
| 18:59.26 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: it's also possible that something you're running (maybe xfce?) has a memory leak, and that's causing issues. |
| 18:59.29 | MudBlud | Where is the linux source build directory on debian? |
| 18:59.29 | t_A_k | streuner: the cable is fine, perhaps it's the NIC. |
| 18:59.31 | CasStyle | How can I add a user to a group.. Lets say any user to group "audio" |
| 18:59.33 | CasStyle | ? |
| 18:59.43 | caphuso | CasStyle: adduser anyuser audio |
| 18:59.47 | streuner | t_A_k: Do you have another NIC? |
| 18:59.49 | thomas_adam | CasStyle: adduser $USER <group> |
| 18:59.50 | t_A_k | streuner: is it possible for the NIC to be bad and the module to still load fine? |
| 19:00.00 | MudBlud | ? |
| 19:00.01 | g4lt | CasStyle man adduser |
| 19:00.02 | dondelelcaro | t_A_k: yes. |
| 19:00.10 | CasStyle | caphuso:thanks |
| 19:00.10 | dondelelcaro | t_A_k: do the lights on the NIC light up? |
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| 19:00.14 | t_A_k | streuner: yes, an identical one. I'll try that. many thanks. |
| 19:00.20 | CasStyle | thomas_adam: thanks . |
| 19:00.24 | streuner | t_A_k: welcome. |
| 19:00.28 | t_A_k | dondelelcaro: yes. one light. |
| 19:00.33 | MudBlud | Anyone? |
| 19:00.52 | dondelelcaro | t_A_k: oh, this is one of those vortexes with just a single light? /me misses having 3+ LEDs... |
| 19:01.05 | CasStyle | g4lt: :) yeah. |
| 19:01.11 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: yeah i thought that might be the case, to be fair the session had been open for ~4 days, so i'll be able to see if using gnome makes a difference now :) reading the FAQ atm, thanks a lot for your help, i wasn't really aware that i could use /proc for stuff like that (don't really know much about /proc at all tbh!) |
| 19:01.14 | helix` | dondelelcaro: for what? |
| 19:01.26 | streuner | !TA |
| 19:01.26 | dpkg | streuner, :) |
| 19:01.34 | streuner | hehe |
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| 19:01.59 | streuner | What is 'TA'? |
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| 19:02.25 | helix` | streuner: teaching assistant.. usually grad students who teach classes |
| 19:02.37 | andym | apt-get seems to have blown up for me |
| 19:03.04 | streuner | dondelelcaro: have fun |
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| 19:03.45 | wpg_guard | Using IPTABLES, if you've got an internal NAT and an external connection to the Internet, but your external connection to the Internet has multiple (aliased) IP addreses, is there a way to specify that all outbound packets from an internal machine should use one of the aliased addresses as its outbound IP address? |
| 19:04.01 | MudBlud | Where is the linux source build directory on debian? |
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| 19:04.25 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: current working dir... see $(pwd) |
| 19:04.27 | arauko | MudBlud, wherever you put it |
| 19:04.28 | arauko | :) |
| 19:04.35 | streuner | MudBlud: in therory in could be anywhere, but it is usually in /usr/src/linux |
| 19:04.35 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: (if I understand you properly....) |
| 19:04.46 | MudBlud | ok |
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| 19:07.01 | Thor- | what printer program should I install to be able to print trough samba from winXP? |
| 19:07.09 | Thor- | lprng? |
| 19:07.13 | sone_ | Thor-, try cups |
| 19:07.16 | streuner | ~test |
| 19:07.20 | | Failed |
| 19:07.24 | streuner | :-) |
| 19:07.35 | andym | i keep getting "Tried to dequeue a fetching object" in apt-get update |
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| 19:07.54 | thomas_adam | streuner: :) |
| 19:08.01 | exobyte | I'm trying to get my modem to connect to the internet with pon, but I get this error: Jan 2 01:00:15 debian pppd[1216]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 19:08.03 | MudBlud | Im trying to compile something |
| 19:08.06 | MudBlud | I have a Makefile |
| 19:08.08 | MudBlud | In the dir |
| 19:08.10 | MudBlud | I type make |
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| 19:08.28 | MudBlud | And it says command not found |
| 19:08.35 | thomas_adam | MudBlud: apt-get install make |
| 19:08.37 | andym | oh hey that looks better |
| 19:08.49 | MudBlud | k |
| 19:08.52 | rice | how can I "echo xxx > xx" in unix scipt??? |
| 19:09.11 | thomas_adam | rice: you just did! |
| 19:09.22 | funnyguy | lol |
| 19:09.27 | funnyguy | just like that |
| 19:09.37 | andym | now its "E: Write error - write (27 File too large)" |
| 19:09.39 | rice | thomas_adam : sorry, the echo in script is just like print |
| 19:09.48 | rice | thomas_adam : not run at shell.... |
| 19:10.09 | thomas_adam | rice: echo "hello" >> ./some_file |
| 19:10.22 | pmfp | who made ~root so much less informative? |
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| 19:11.04 | thomas_adam | pmfp: don't know. Ask dondelelcaro |
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| 19:12.37 | andym | wonder if its same problem with df reporting negative partition size |
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| 19:12.54 | Ro0tSiEgE | someone ban PERPAK |
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| 19:13.00 | caphuso | pmfp: apt isn't the real apt anymore :-/ |
| 19:13.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@212.110.81.91] by dondelelcaro |
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| 19:13.39 | dondelelcaro | helix`: for Biology 102... intro to genetics... [but it's at noon PST, not 11...] |
| 19:13.41 | sone_ | I'm confused about the relation from kernel-source packages to kernel-image/header packages. I installed the latest 686-smp kernel-image and kernel-headers from security.debian.org. They are versioned "2.4.18-12.1". However the latest kernel-source package is versioned "2.4.18-14.1". How do these two relate? |
| 19:13.50 | pmfp | Oh my gawd, they killed apt! |
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| 19:14.19 | pmfp | or worse yet, mini-apt... exact copy, just one-eight as good |
| 19:14.31 | MudBlud | Why is my /usr/src/linux empty |
| 19:14.47 | helix` | dondelelcaro: that sounds like a fun class |
| 19:15.02 | sone_ | MudBlud, /usr/src/linux should be a symlink to /usr/src/XXXXX (something else) |
| 19:15.08 | sone_ | MudBlud, did you install the kernel-source package? |
| 19:15.14 | MudBlud | No I didn't |
| 19:15.15 | MudBlud | :p |
| 19:15.30 | helix` | is it just me or is it just plaing wrong to have shipping fees be nearly equal to the actual cost of a product |
| 19:15.34 | helix` | ? |
| 19:15.49 | LoRez | helix`: depends on the product. |
| 19:15.52 | MudBlud | Hmm, how do I know what kernel im running |
| 19:15.57 | helix` | LoRez: it's just bath products! |
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| 19:16.04 | helix` | like.. soap and stuff |
| 19:16.04 | pmfp | yeah.. and I've got taxes at 20-25%... sucks |
| 19:16.12 | sone_ | MudBlud, uname -a |
| 19:16.24 | dondelelcaro | helix`: they can't send it USPS? |
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| 19:16.35 | MudBlud | ty |
| 19:16.45 | lazarus | MudBlud: uname -r, man uname |
| 19:16.47 | helix` | dondelelcaro: no, i guess they only send UPS |
| 19:17.06 | helix` | dondelelcaro: not sure why.. i think some of the stuff can melt easily |
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| 19:17.13 | dondelelcaro | helix`: although, I had a few keycaps sent to me which were more for shipping... but they're just little pieces of plastic... |
| 19:17.19 | lazarus | someone want to do something about this PERPAK fool? |
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| 19:17.28 | xace | How do I chage my keyboard-layout in debian? |
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| 19:17.38 | t_A_k | streuner: well, it's not the card. I tried one that I was using in another linux box. |
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| 19:17.55 | erik | hey, how do you play with intel speedstep with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:18.02 | erik | the /proc/acpi/.../performance doesn't exist |
| 19:18.06 | erik | and I'm stuck at 1.2GHz |
| 19:18.07 | helix` | dondelelcaro: how close are you to san francisco or santa monica? |
| 19:18.16 | dondelelcaro | helix`: 7 hours, and about 50 minutes. |
| 19:18.35 | helix` | oh ok |
| 19:18.41 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: how old are you? |
| 19:18.41 | helix` | then i'm not that jealous |
| 19:18.49 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: uh, 24 I think. |
| 19:18.53 | t_A_k | with an ISA NIC, I don't have to manually configure IRQs and IOs still, do I? |
| 19:18.55 | chris2 | after installing 2.6.0, i cant boot with 2.2.20 (!) anymore, i get a kernel panic because it cant read the root device. any hints? |
| 19:19.12 | helix` | dondelelcaro: you had a birthday? |
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| 19:19.16 | helix` | (recently) |
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| 19:19.29 | helix` | !kick karsten |
| 19:19.32 | dondelelcaro | helix`: I will, in february... |
| 19:19.36 | helix` | ha, me too |
| 19:19.51 | helix` | i start celebrating early :) like.. in january |
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| 19:20.16 | niktarin | hi all |
| 19:20.18 | helix` | dondelelcaro: what day? |
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| 19:20.28 | dondelelcaro | helix`: 3rd |
| 19:20.44 | xace | How do I chage my keyboard-layout in debian? |
| 19:20.46 | niktarin | can someone please tell me why I can't get the foomatic printer drivers to work with debian unstable? |
| 19:20.55 | thomas_adam | xace: dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 19:20.59 | xace | k |
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| 19:21.42 | coolnewbie | could any one tell mirror to be added to sources.list for gnome2.4 for testing |
| 19:21.54 | xace | thomas_adam: I just got: Setting up general console font... done |
| 19:21.55 | dondelelcaro | coolnewbie: check apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 19:22.03 | coolnewbie | ok |
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| 19:23.10 | sandman | Okay. I ran apt-get -b source gforge, after installing its deps. |
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| 19:23.41 | dondelelcaro | xace: it's dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:23.47 | niktarin | nobody |
| 19:23.50 | exobyte | I'm trying to get my modem to connect to the internet with pon, but I get this error: Jan 2 01:00:15 debian pppd[1216]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
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| 19:23.52 | niktarin | nobody? |
| 19:23.57 | sandman | dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
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| 19:24.08 | sandman | I got that from an apt-get -b source gforge line. WHat exactly am I supposed to do? |
| 19:24.19 | t_A_k | Can anyone tell me why the netmask and broadcast I set in /etc/network/interfaces don't get used at startup? |
| 19:24.24 | LoRez | sandman: from sid? |
| 19:24.57 | MudBlud | I have kernel-source-2.2.20.tar.bz2 in my /usr/src folder, how do I extract it right? |
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| 19:25.16 | somiaj | MudBlud: man tar |
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| 19:25.24 | MudBlud | I know how to use it |
| 19:25.28 | sone_ | jar -xjf |
| 19:25.28 | alka0010 | hi all |
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| 19:25.32 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0 |
| 19:25.40 | dondelelcaro | sandman: that package is bad. |
| 19:25.48 | lazarus | MudBlud: you're aware that's *ancient*? and *insecure*! |
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| 19:25.49 | sone_ | tar -xjf even |
| 19:25.55 | sandman | LoRez: Yes, from sid. |
| 19:25.59 | orangey | hey guys! |
| 19:26.00 | orangey | how can I reconfigure what buttons 6 and 7 (and 4 and 5 for that matter) are doing? |
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| 19:26.06 | orangey | they seem to be reversed on my synaptics (the horizontal/6,7 do vertical scrolling) |
| 19:26.15 | LoRez | sandman: check the bts and if it's not there already file a bug. |
| 19:26.15 | lazarus | orangey: wtf are you talking about, first? |
| 19:26.18 | dondelelcaro | sandman: and this happens when you build? |
| 19:26.19 | funnyguy | orangey : XF86Config |
| 19:26.41 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Yeah |
| 19:26.46 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to backport it to testing |
| 19:26.49 | sandman | I like to run Sid packages |
| 19:26.51 | orangey | lazarus: Where am I unclear? |
| 19:26.53 | sandman | But only from within testing. |
| 19:26.56 | orangey | funnyguy: how's that? |
| 19:27.05 | lazarus | orangey: what are these buttons? |
| 19:27.07 | dondelelcaro | sandman: does it build fine against sid? |
| 19:27.09 | sandman | LoRez: I've never filed a bug before, I'll try to learn |
| 19:27.13 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I have no idea. |
| 19:27.15 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Do you run sid? |
| 19:27.21 | dondelelcaro | sandman: sure seems to build fine against sid here. |
| 19:27.23 | orangey | lazarus: 4/5 are the vertical scroll buttons.. 6/7 are the horizontal. |
| 19:27.32 | lazarus | orangey: WHAT are these buttons? |
| 19:27.33 | dondelelcaro | sandman: just use a debootstrap chroot of sid. |
| 19:27.33 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Maybe I'll have to install sid =/ |
| 19:27.42 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I don't know what that is |
| 19:27.43 | lazarus | orangey: are you talking about your shirt? |
| 19:27.52 | dondelelcaro | sandman: most likely, you'll need to backport something else that it depends on. Possibly debhelper. |
| 19:27.57 | lazarus | orangey: see the point? |
| 19:28.01 | dondelelcaro | sandman: apt-cache show debootstrap |
| 19:28.08 | wpg_guard | Using IPTABLES, if you've got an internal NAT and an external connection to the Internet, but your external connection to the Internet has multiple (aliased) IP addreses, is there a way to specify that all outbound packets from an internal machine should use one of the aliased addresses as its outbound IP address? |
| 19:28.10 | LoRez | lazarus: he's already said what it's on. |
| 19:28.12 | orangey | lazarus: what are YOU talking about? |
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| 19:28.28 | lazarus | orangey: i'm talking about your nonsensical question |
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| 19:28.48 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Okay, so use this to install the Sid package? |
| 19:28.51 | LoRez | lazarus: quit being an ass. it's perfectly clear what he's talking about. |
| 19:28.55 | orangey | lazarus: how is it nonsense? just because you don't understand it? |
| 19:29.08 | dondelelcaro | sandman: so use that to install a chroot of sid, and test to make sure the package builds correctly... |
| 19:29.14 | lazarus | LoRez: pste to me where he said anything of the sort |
| 19:29.20 | dondelelcaro | sandman: you also might help me by pasting the error log that you see into #flood |
| 19:29.41 | LoRez | lazarus: find it yourself. |
| 19:29.43 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Will do. I'm very confused by all that you've told me so far, btw |
| 19:29.53 | orangey | LoRez: anyhow, I'm unclear how I can manipulate them in the config.. |
| 19:29.55 | lazarus | LoRez: lol, it doesn't exist, i thought you'd decline |
| 19:29.58 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I think I kind of understand, but... I'll try. |
| 19:30.09 | dondelelcaro | sandman: well, for starters, just paste the error log... |
| 19:30.18 | LoRez | lazarus: it does. you're just too much of a tight ass to open your mind. |
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| 19:30.31 | lazarus | LoRez: bullshit, /lastlog orangey doesn't lie here |
| 19:30.47 | sussudio | LoRez: please don't feed the troll. just +q him or something. |
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| 19:30.52 | LoRez | orangey: so your hscroll buttons are vscrolling? |
| 19:30.55 | MudBlud | Hmm, there are errors in the kernel source |
| 19:30.58 | orangey | LoRez: Yep. |
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| 19:31.21 | elMariachi | hi |
| 19:31.36 | LoRez | orangey: change the zaxismapping to "6 7" in your /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4)? |
| 19:31.49 | elMariachi | i have a problem concerning /dev/pty (i think this is the problem) |
| 19:31.52 | LoRez | and probably the number of buttons as well. |
| 19:32.03 | MudBlud | Hmm, ok, Im trying to compile a kernel module, what include directory should I include? |
| 19:32.17 | sandman | dondelelcaro: What do you think? |
| 19:32.18 | rlpowell | I got rootkitted! Yay! |
| 19:32.19 | orangey | LoRez: Ok, moment while I figure out how this interacts with synaptics.. |
| 19:32.23 | Scognito | someone has successfuly used (x)randr ???? |
| 19:32.26 | LoRez | lazarus: go look up what synaptics makes |
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| 19:32.35 | lazarus | LoRez: why should i care? |
| 19:32.51 | rlpowell | What's the fastest way to get back to a valid Debian copy of /sbin/init without crashing my box? |
| 19:33.17 | elMariachi | non of my X-Shells starts (aterm, xterm, eterm..). I'm using Kernel 2.6.0. I compiled Unix98 PTY support. Any ideas what i may have forgotten? |
| 19:33.20 | LSorensen | rlpowell: is it booted and running at the moment? |
| 19:33.24 | rlpowell | Yes. |
| 19:33.29 | rlpowell | I already re-installed the kernel. |
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| 19:33.31 | LoRez | rlpowell: do a full reinstall. it's not the fastest, but you don't want any trace of it on the new machine. |
| 19:33.43 | LSorensen | rlpowell: so a valid init is running? |
| 19:33.47 | lazarus | rlpowell: first, *if* you've actuallt been rootkittled, you need to do a complete reinstall frfom trusted media, (after any forensic dumping you choose, for analysis/prosecution) |
| 19:34.08 | rlpowell | I know for a fact I've been rootkitted (I can provide evidence if you like). |
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| 19:34.13 | lazarus | rlpowell: anyone helping you to do otherwise would be doing you a disservice |
| 19:34.18 | rlpowell | It is currently running in what seems to be an OK fashion. |
| 19:34.23 | sussudio | rlpowell: run chkrootkit |
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| 19:34.30 | lazarus | rlpowell: "seems to be" doesn't cut it |
| 19:34.32 | rlpowell | As far as I (and samhain) can tell, the only changes were to init and telinit. |
| 19:34.35 | LSorensen | rlpowell: cleaning up after such and event is quite a hasle, and probably not worth it. I wouldn't trust any binary or lib on the machine |
| 19:34.41 | rlpowell | And the kernel, which has been re-installed. |
| 19:34.46 | exobyte | I did a little research. It looks like I need to do modprobe to fix this error, but I don't know what module I need. Any ideas? This is dialup, not DLS. pppd[1216]: Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
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| 19:34.48 | sandman | Is it just me, or are a whole bunch of packages missing from Testing distribution? |
| 19:35.04 | sandman | specifically, KDE packages. |
| 19:35.10 | Kumpel | hi guys! is it possible to install debian "sid" from the newest snapshot-iso image ??? |
| 19:35.12 | rlpowell | OK, full re-install. Got it. |
| 19:35.16 | lazarus | sandman: are you aware of what testing is for? |
| 19:35.30 | rlpowell | In the meantime, I'm now at work; how do I a good init and telinit back? |
| 19:35.34 | lazarus | rlpowell: are you conscious of *how* it happened yet? |
| 19:35.41 | exobyte | sandman: think of sid like the sid in toy story |
| 19:35.41 | matadon | Anyone get GDM working with multiple X servers? I have something of an odd problem... |
| 19:35.41 | rlpowell | Yes, actually. |
| 19:35.45 | sandman | lazarus: Somewhat. |
| 19:35.55 | lazarus | rlpowell: you get that with a trusted reinstall |
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| 19:35.55 | LSorensen | rlpowell: if you have space, dump what you have somewhere else, then reinstall from scratch and get your config and data files from the dump |
| 19:35.55 | sandman | exobyte: I don't remember what Sid was. |
| 19:36.02 | rlpowell | All my forensic software did what it was supposed to, and the script kiddie was dumb. |
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| 19:36.03 | exobyte | sandman: he'll make your computer enter orbit =) |
| 19:36.07 | rlpowell | OK, can't re-install for at least... 7 hours. |
| 19:36.14 | exobyte | sandman: the kid that blew stuff up |
| 19:36.20 | lazarus | rlpowell: you know what vulnerabilities were exploited? |
| 19:36.21 | sandman | lazarus: As far as I knew, packages are moved to Testing when they're been in Sid for a while. |
| 19:36.22 | rlpowell | Want to replace the known corrupted files in the mean time. |
| 19:36.26 | sandman | exobyte: Right.. |
| 19:36.30 | LSorensen | rlpowell: well perhaps apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit |
| 19:36.35 | sandman | exobyte: Good thing I'm not running sid =) |
| 19:36.37 | rlpowell | Yes: jkominek ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 19:36.45 | rlpowell | 8) |
| 19:36.47 | lazarus | sandman: it is for *testing* a potential release, hence the name |
| 19:36.47 | rlpowell | (my friend's box got pwnd) |
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| 19:37.07 | Zap-W | what's the name of the consolechars file i need to load for portuguese |
| 19:37.08 | sandman | lazarus: So it's not really supported. |
| 19:37.13 | lazarus | rlpowell: you know not to duplicate that vulnerability then |
| 19:37.14 | rlpowell | So, not really a 'vulnerability'. 8) |
| 19:37.16 | guk | Anyone here use nut-cgi ... I need some help getting it going ... im not too sure how to and google doesn't help much |
| 19:37.41 | rlpowell | lazarus: that line is already commented out. Fixing /etc/sudoers is high on my list. |
| 19:37.45 | lazarus | rlpowell: actually, it looks like a hideous misconfiguration of sudoers(5) imo |
| 19:37.51 | rlpowell | lsorensen: Thanks. |
| 19:37.53 | rlpowell | lazarus: no shit. |
| 19:37.54 | johnynek | where can I find netinst images? http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/ is down |
| 19:37.59 | sandman | lazarus: I wanted to mention something to you; There's nothing nicer than being able to run a relatively stable system (say, testing), but still being able to easily install newer, more unstable p[ackages WITHOUT having to dist-upgrade teh whole system. |
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| 19:38.16 | sandman | lazarus: That's why it's nice to have a middle-man type distro. |
| 19:38.26 | lazarus | sandman: testing is *not* such a thing, it's about as insecure as it gets, imo |
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| 19:38.30 | sandman | If this is not what Testing turns out to be, as you say, then... I have to run always unstable, or always old and stable. |
| 19:38.35 | somiaj | johnynek: check out debian.org there are a few different links to get the images from. |
| 19:38.37 | sandman | I'd prefer to have both unstable and stable. |
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| 19:38.43 | lazarus | sandman: testing is *not* some "middleman" distro, by any means |
| 19:38.51 | johnynek | somiaj: all the links on: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ seem dead |
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| 19:38.59 | lewis | thomas_adam? |
| 19:39.03 | sandman | lazarus: Isn't there a distribution above unstable, even? |
| 19:39.09 | sandman | lazarus: Experimental distro or some such |
| 19:39.16 | lazarus | sandman: perhaps you should go re-read the discussion when it was created |
| 19:39.20 | zimnyx | question: how can i check my bios ver under debian? |
| 19:39.26 | sandman | lazarus: Like, there's stable, testing, unstable, then experimental... |
| 19:39.31 | rlpowell | define 'check my bios'. |
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| 19:39.35 | sandman | lazarus: I'll just upgrade to Sid, since it looks like I'll have to anyway. |
| 19:39.44 | sussudio | ~tell sandman about sid upgrade |
| 19:39.55 | lazarus | sandman: experimental is not a distro, though there is a package repository by that name |
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| 19:40.01 | orangey | LoRez: no luck, but I gotta get to school.. see yo usoon! |
| 19:40.01 | coolnewbie | is helix-gnome goog |
| 19:40.05 | orangey | LoRez: thanks : ) |
| 19:40.18 | sandman | sussudio: There's a problem - Stable is way too old, and lacks many useful packages (i.e.: Gforge) |
| 19:40.27 | Cire | is there a linux emule client? (console or curses) I think not, but if anyone knew something it would be nice to tell me.... |
| 19:40.30 | sandman | sussudio: testing is broken from what I see, so that's not an option. |
| 19:40.39 | streuner | sandman: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:40.44 | sussudio | sandman: so you decide to be an idiot? |
| 19:40.45 | somiaj | johnynek: try the floppies....they seem to work |
| 19:40.53 | g4lt | lazarus in order for someone to reread the discussion when experimental was made, they'd have to go into archives that don't exist... |
| 19:40.57 | sandman | sussudio: Gentoo has a nice ability to be able to run a stable, late system, and allows you to install the SPECIFIC unstable packages you want... however Gentoo's method of doing this is too slow. |
| 19:41.00 | lazarus | sandman: if you're interested in helping with the *testing* of the successor to the current stable release, then *testing* is for you |
| 19:41.07 | johnynek | somiaj: who has floppy disks anymore? |
| 19:41.12 | g4lt | it was pre Stephenson-bug |
| 19:41.16 | sussudio | ~tell sandman about pinning |
| 19:41.23 | sussudio | ~tell sandman about simple sid backport |
| 19:41.31 | clinfix | i cant configure s3 trio3d vga card,can someone help me on my computer? |
| 19:41.32 | sandman | lazarus: I don't want to TEST stuff, I want to use Debian to do something productive in REAL LIFE |
| 19:41.35 | lazarus | g4lt: i am not talking about experimental there, i'm talking about testing, as he is aware. read more careful |
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| 19:41.46 | somiaj | johnynek: I'm sure lots of people do, I use them myself for such situations...just giving options. |
| 19:41.51 | lazarus | sandman: then you don't want *testing*, huh? :) |
| 19:41.55 | rlpowell | sandman: Don't use testing then. |
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| 19:42.13 | rlpowell | sandman: It took me a while to understand this, but unstable is more stable than testing. |
| 19:42.13 | Zap-W | anyone know how to see latin accents in mutt? |
| 19:42.20 | zimnyx | question: how can i check my bios ver or bios info under debian? |
| 19:42.23 | sussudio | sandman: you don't get the point about unstable, do you? |
| 19:42.42 | g4lt | Zap-W email Lorenzo Lamas? |
| 19:42.46 | sandman | sussudio: Oh you're such a badass, let me run away in fear. |
| 19:42.48 | lazarus | dondelelcaro: symptoms? |
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| 19:42.53 | chris2 | do the standard debian kernels include ext2 statically? |
| 19:42.56 | sussudio | sandman: stop being a fucktard. |
| 19:43.04 | streuner | chris2: no |
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| 19:43.05 | djw | what's the best way of piping audio output in the form of a .wav file |
| 19:43.08 | chris2 | argh |
| 19:43.09 | sandman | sussudio: I may have to ignore you if you don't pipe down. |
| 19:43.12 | exobyte | how bad of an idea is it to run kppp in gnome? |
| 19:43.17 | lazarus | chris2: you mean the install kernels? yeah, they are =Y not =M |
| 19:43.20 | sussudio | sandman: go away, moron. |
| 19:43.27 | chris2 | no, ordinary ones |
| 19:43.32 | The_Vulture | sandman: ignorance really is not bliss |
| 19:43.32 | lewis | hey all |
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| 19:43.37 | Rubin | libdbd-mysql-perl depends on perlapi-5.6, but i cant find perlapi-5.6 anywhere |
| 19:43.40 | bluegate | hello i have now installed the base system of debian unstable. Now i want x-window-system. But i don't know wich package i should install first because of dependencies? what about x-window-system-core after that dri moduls and then gnome or wmaker. Would this be ok for unstable? |
| 19:43.46 | djw | or even what program takes your line in from your sound card so that you can pipe it into another program? |
| 19:43.47 | streuner | chris2: uhm, if you mean does the kernel have ext2 include in kernel then yes |
| 19:43.48 | The_Vulture | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.57 | lazarus | chris2: "ordinary" ones are however you configure them. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:44.10 | sandman | The_Vulture: I find the ability to forget and ignore are among the most powerful features of the human mind. Allows me to sift through the crap. |
| 19:44.11 | clinfix | i read that using 2.2 kernel solves s3 problems,but i want to use 2.4? |
| 19:44.20 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: its like the input layer blew up. |
| 19:44.21 | sandman | sussudio: You strike me as a very sorry individual. I will pray for you, really. |
| 19:44.25 | streuner | chris2: if you talking about the libs that comes with ext2, you have to download the static onces |
| 19:44.25 | chris2 | great |
| 19:44.26 | somiaj | bluegate: I'd install x-window-system then install the windowmanager/desktop you want to use. |
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| 19:44.35 | sussudio | sandman: fuck you, retard. |
| 19:44.39 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: could have been an X issue, but hard to say... /me needs magic sys req. |
| 19:44.43 | The_Vulture | sussudio: there's no need to be abusive |
| 19:44.47 | Kumpel | bluegate, have you basically installed from woody ? |
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| 19:45.01 | The_Vulture | well perhaps there is, but it's not going to help matters |
| 19:45.03 | chris2 | gotta build a new one |
| 19:45.13 | g4lt | The_Vulture you don't know sussudio ery well, do you. he was being nice FFS |
| 19:45.25 | The_Vulture | g4lt: He was, I agree. |
| 19:45.30 | streuner | chris2: kernel? |
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| 19:45.33 | chris2 | yep |
| 19:45.43 | chris2 | at least i have a 2.6 running |
| 19:45.50 | lazarus | dondelelcaro: i've never compiled any without that supportt, heh. been bitten too many times i guess. good luck |
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| 19:46.01 | clinfix | please help me about s3 card,i used vesa driver,s3virge driver none of them working |
| 19:46.07 | alka0010 | how many people have compile the new kernel 2.6 |
| 19:46.18 | lazarus | alka0010: /msg dpkg polls |
| 19:46.22 | streuner | alka0010: almost all, why? |
| 19:46.28 | lazarus | alka0010: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:46.50 | amphi | clinfix: did you try the savage driver? |
| 19:46.53 | sussudio | g4lt: The_Vulture is already on my ignore list |
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| 19:46.57 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: yeah, I just like the hardware to reboot when it can... nor do I often need kernel debugging. |
| 19:46.58 | alka0010 | is it possible find it in a package in a debian mirror? |
| 19:47.01 | ToreSB | Hello there, boys. |
| 19:47.04 | dondelelcaro | alka0010: yes. |
| 19:47.21 | alka0010 | pre-compile? |
| 19:47.35 | lazarus | alka0010: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:47.53 | somiaj | alka0010: what version of debian your running woody/sarge/sid? |
| 19:48.01 | ToreSB | Question: I'm in sid - When will 4.3.0 be in there? |
| 19:48.03 | sandman | rlpowell: So, why do you believe unstable is more stable than testing? |
| 19:48.12 | rlpowell | Ummm. |
| 19:48.12 | lazarus | ToreSB: decades |
| 19:48.13 | streuner | ToreSB: soon |
| 19:48.17 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0 |
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| 19:48.24 | rlpowell | Because people told me so? 8) |
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| 19:48.33 | rlpowell | My understading is that stable > unstable > testing |
| 19:48.38 | eNTi | wee |
| 19:48.39 | sussudio | rlpowell: the voices in your head don't count as real people. |
| 19:48.45 | rlpowell | Given that the packages on testing are newer.... |
| 19:48.49 | Piru | rlpowell, moon is made of cheese. no, really. |
| 19:48.53 | rlpowell | Oh, wait. |
| 19:48.59 | rlpowell | I've got it backwards again, haven't I? |
| 19:49.01 | lazarus | rlpowell: are you talking about version nunmbers? |
| 19:49.02 | sandman | rlpowell: I'm not so sure about that order.. |
| 19:49.02 | rlpowell | Sorry. |
| 19:49.03 | somiaj | ToreSB: when its ready, I've heard the last pre candiate is in experimental so it may be soon. |
| 19:49.15 | eNTi | hi everyone. what do i have to do to make use of 2.6.1-kernel and xfree 4.3.0? is sid not enough? |
| 19:49.25 | sandman | Isn't there another Debian distro even more unstable than "unstable" called experimental or some such? |
| 19:49.32 | streuner | eNTi: heh? why? |
| 19:49.33 | lazarus | sandman: again, NO |
| 19:49.49 | lazarus | sandman: there is no "distro" called experimental |
| 19:50.03 | lazarus | 19:39 <lazarus> sandman: experimental is not a distro, though there is a package repository by that |
| 19:50.04 | sussudio | rlpowell: you don't think 'stable' 'testing' and 'unstable' are self-explanatory? |
| 19:50.06 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.12 | sandman | lazarus: I didn't catch that |
| 19:50.12 | keyz | what is the code in /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 for the | ? |
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| 19:50.13 | LSorensen | eNTi: I don't think 4.3 is in sid yet |
| 19:50.35 | somiaj | eNTi: sid is enough though you'll have to grab 4.3 from experimental. |
| 19:50.37 | streuner | LSorensen: no |
| 19:50.45 | eNTi | streuner: what setting is this? |
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| 19:50.54 | LSorensen | stable=unchanging, unstable=changing, testing=testing |
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| 19:51.02 | eNTi | k |
| 19:51.03 | ToreSB | I would really like experimental, I'm a latest-version freak |
| 19:51.03 | eNTi | thx |
| 19:51.11 | sandman | somiaj: So there's an "experimental package repository" which is where packages exist before they go into Sid, or something? |
| 19:51.15 | LSorensen | eNTi: I think 2.6.0-test11 is the latest in sid |
| 19:51.23 | ToreSB | LSorensen: test9 |
| 19:51.28 | coolnewbie | is helix-gnome goog |
| 19:51.30 | eNTi | LSorensen: yes it is |
| 19:51.30 | rlpowell | That's unstable, toresb. |
| 19:51.36 | rlpowell | If I'm not confused again. 8) |
| 19:51.45 | ToreSB | rlpowell: Yeah, but sid==unstable |
| 19:51.45 | streuner | ToreSB: 11 was the latest for 2 or 3 days |
| 19:51.52 | eNTi | streuner: because i want to use ati-drivers, and they need 4.3.0 it seems |
| 19:51.53 | lazarus | sandman: no |
| 19:51.56 | ToreSB | streuner: Okay, apologees, :) |
| 19:52.02 | LSorensen | ToreSB: hmm, kernel-doc-2.6.0-test11 and kernel-source-2.6.0-test11, no kernel-image-2.6.0-test11 |
| 19:52.18 | lazarus | sandman: things go to directly to sid, if the maintainer so chooses, that's the default |
| 19:52.28 | ToreSB | Yeah, my neomagic fixes a bug that has been killing me in 4.3.0 (and introduces a fourfold speed increase) |
| 19:52.30 | streuner | eNTi: ATI doesn't care, if you run 4.1 or 4.2 or 4.3.... |
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| 19:52.33 | somiaj | sandman: my understanding is some bigger porjects (like x4.3) that have multiple packages involed get thrown in experimental first for testing before going to sid. |
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| 19:52.46 | johnynek | is it possible to make a netinst image with jigdo? |
| 19:52.46 | sandman | lazarus: somiaj I see. |
| 19:52.49 | lazarus | sandman: things go to experimental if the maintainer says "this thing is really hosed, i don't want to break sid" for example |
| 19:52.52 | LSorensen | sandman: experimental is where crazy likely broken things go while things are worked out |
| 19:53.02 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: or if they're not sure how hosed it is. |
| 19:53.02 | sandman | LSorensen: Okay. Cool. |
| 19:53.10 | streuner | johnynek: jigdo is a way to download isos fast |
| 19:53.13 | lazarus | dondelelcaro: yeah, but if they think it's likely |
| 19:53.15 | lfs | Does anyone here have X working on an 810? |
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| 19:53.22 | Unkny | anyone running mrtg on debian ? |
| 19:53.30 | Piru | pollday |
| 19:53.31 | johnynek | streuner: can you use it to make a netinst image? |
| 19:53.32 | lazarus | Unkny: /msg dpkg polls |
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| 19:53.37 | Zap-W | i need someone to help set portuguese characters in the console ., want font to load |
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| 19:54.06 | streuner | johnynek: usually people use it, when the servers heavly used, such at the release-date... |
| 19:54.06 | johnynek | streuner: I know you can make full images, but I just want enought to install an ultra minimal system |
| 19:54.09 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: you're probably going to have to use UTF-8. There are a few decent UTF-8 fonts around. |
| 19:54.19 | streuner | johnynek: no |
| 19:54.27 | LSorensen | johnynek: do you have a floppy drive? |
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| 19:54.37 | sussudio | Zap-W: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:54.38 | johnynek | LSorensen: no. |
| 19:54.42 | streuner | johnynek: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:54.49 | The_Vulture | johnynek: it's really simple just to do a plain bf install to woody, then upgrade everything at the first chance you get |
| 19:54.57 | Unkny | anyone that i could talk to on pm without spamming the channel for some problems i got ? |
| 19:55.07 | streuner | johnynek: /msg dpkg di |
| 19:55.08 | somiaj | !tell Unky about ask |
| 19:55.09 | LSorensen | johnynek: how can you work without one? |
| 19:55.16 | lazarus | Unkny: /topic |
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| 19:55.26 | lazarus | Unkny: /join #flood |
| 19:55.26 | LSorensen | johnynek: it took me 3 floppies to get debian installed on this machine |
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| 19:55.47 | streuner | LSorensen: that's rather rhetoric then :-) |
| 19:55.50 | LSorensen | johnynek: it took a cd and 1 floppy to get XP on my dad's machine (yes XP requires a floppy if you have an unsupported HD controller) |
| 19:55.51 | johnynek | streuner: I know how to install, but I want to find a netinst image, none of which seem to be availible since the breakin |
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| 19:56.01 | streuner | johnynek: /msg dpkg di |
| 19:56.06 | trans_err | 2 things: 1. could someone suggest a good quality/well supported laptop 2. and dido for a graphics card |
| 19:56.08 | johnynek | LSorensen: I guess I am just lucky, no floppies used here. |
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| 19:56.33 | pixel | hi |
| 19:56.34 | g4lt | trans_err sparcles are pretty much supported :) |
| 19:56.41 | LSorensen | johnynek: a floppy drive is a $10 emergency boot device that just happens to be handy for booting installers |
| 19:56.43 | abrotman | trans_err: i think i got everything working(except acpi fully) on a TP-G40 |
| 19:56.47 | streuner | johnynek: or /msg dpkg d-i backup , if you want the official sarge installer |
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| 19:56.57 | pixel | has anybody made a Creative Webcam NX work? |
| 19:57.28 | trans_err | abrotman: tp-g40? |
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| 19:57.37 | abrotman | trans_err: IBM thinkpad g40 |
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| 19:58.03 | abrotman | trans_err: i even got the winmodem to work |
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| 19:58.05 | Unkny | lazarus, just did, no answer :] |
| 19:58.10 | chris2 | D'OH /me bangs hid head aginst the wall |
| 19:58.36 | johnynek | streuner: cool, the d-i backup has a sarge netinst image. |
| 19:58.37 | trans_err | abrotman: is their wireless onboard? |
| 19:58.41 | sussudio | ~tell pixel about smart questions |
| 19:58.44 | chris2 | the /vmlinuz of lilo.conf is the new kernel of course! |
| 19:59.03 | abrotman | trans_err: it is .. kind of .. its a pluggable module of some sort from what i can tell |
| 19:59.05 | streuner | johnynek: well, it has about 100MB... |
| 19:59.18 | abrotman | trans_err: its not pcmcia .. but supposedly you can replace it later if you choose |
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| 19:59.50 | johnynek | streuner: thanks for the pointers |
| 20:00.02 | streuner | johnynek: welcome. |
| 20:00.09 | ToreSB | IBM is a good bet for lappies |
| 20:00.16 | ToreSB | I still use my TP380 |
| 20:00.17 | bluegate | is kernel-source 2.6.0-test11 the latest debian 2.6 kernel release package? |
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| 20:00.33 | chimaera | bluegate: yes |
| 20:00.47 | streuner | bluegate: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 will show you |
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| 20:01.14 | b0ef | how can I log everything that is written to a tty?. |
| 20:01.18 | Covener | Was someone asking about thinkpad minipci integrated wireless? |
| 20:01.25 | bluegate | streuner: thank ;) didn't no that, nono just joking. |
| 20:01.40 | Covener | You can't shove any minipci wireless card in there and use the antenna -- only the 2 or 3 ibm approved ones |
| 20:01.59 | Covener | the cisco airo350 minipci is the best bet for integrated 802.11b and linux |
| 20:02.03 | streuner | bluegate: the maint working hard at the kernel itself... |
| 20:02.07 | abrotman | trans_err: if you go to the ibm website .. they actually have videos you can watch the take the laptop apart |
| 20:02.09 | trans__err | http://www.hardeman.nu/~david/thinkpad/ |
| 20:02.21 | lfs | I get cant open /dev/agpgart |
| 20:02.24 | lfs | in the logs |
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| 20:02.46 | trans__err | ugh how do you kill a ghost again with NickServ? |
| 20:02.46 | givemefive | that's too bad |
| 20:03.06 | lfs | ls /dev/agpgart shows that the device is there. |
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| 20:03.12 | streuner | trans_err: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | trans_err: if you do order .. demand the install CDs from IBM for XP .. they have a stupid restore partition on the HDD |
| 20:03.20 | lfs | Anyone have X running on an 910? |
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| 20:03.24 | lfs | 810? |
| 20:03.25 | abrotman | of course .. if you dont plan on ever using XP .. who cares |
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| 20:04.02 | givemefive | 910? |
| 20:04.05 | lfs | 810 |
| 20:04.08 | givemefive | ah... |
| 20:04.08 | streuner | no 810 |
| 20:04.15 | LSorensen | lfs: I am sure someone does |
| 20:04.20 | LSorensen | lfs: I don't bay garbage though |
| 20:04.35 | lfs | I thought that it was very common |
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| 20:04.48 | js_ | is it possible to make a superuser out of a normal user? |
| 20:04.54 | lfs | How come I am having so much trouble with common hardware? |
| 20:04.55 | givemefive | 810 dri? |
| 20:04.56 | LSorensen | lfs: it is a common onboard piece of junk, but it's not good |
| 20:05.14 | lfs | But why aint X working? |
| 20:05.17 | LSorensen | lfs: none of the good programers have one? :) |
| 20:05.26 | LSorensen | lfs: did you install xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:05.34 | lfs | I did everything |
| 20:05.45 | streuner | laptop? |
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| 20:05.52 | lfs | dell desktop |
| 20:06.12 | streuner | lfs: visit ATI side and check out their drivers |
| 20:06.16 | lfs | log file says it cant find /dev/agpgart |
| 20:06.20 | LSorensen | lfs: laptop is rather different. then you have to get the lcd settings right too |
| 20:06.31 | McQuaid | i can't seem to figure out how to keep the time the same in lin/win |
| 20:06.39 | LSorensen | lfs: try 'modprobe agpgart' |
| 20:06.46 | McQuaid | how can i simply have linux just use the bios time and not adjust it |
| 20:06.57 | LSorensen | lfs: and 'adduser yourlogin video' |
| 20:06.59 | lfs | cant locate |
| 20:07.16 | maru | lfs What kernel? |
| 20:07.17 | streuner | McQuaid: who want this? just apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 20:07.18 | lfs | But I downloaded kernel 2.2.22 and it is not |
| 20:07.19 | b0ef | js_: how about putting the user in a superuser group?. |
| 20:07.22 | LSorensen | lfs: does /dev/agpgart exist if you do ls? |
| 20:07.27 | lfs | yes |
| 20:07.40 | McQuaid | ntp is for getting time from a outside source no? |
| 20:07.44 | LSorensen | lfs: I think you might need 2.4.x |
| 20:07.52 | Theory | McQuaid: it's a setting under /etc |
| 20:07.54 | js_ | b0ef: like "root" that wouldnt be so smart would it? i mean hmmm |
| 20:07.58 | Theory | I believe google knows, I'm just checking |
| 20:07.59 | LSorensen | McQuaid: basically |
| 20:08.13 | agney | what is the problem with dhcp running on 2.6 ? |
| 20:08.13 | lazarus | McQuaid: /join #morphix, this is #debian |
| 20:08.20 | streuner | McQuaid: yep |
| 20:08.22 | Rubin | I was messing with pinning, and upgraded libc6 by mistake. it says "libc6 cannot be downgraded"is that strictly true? |
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| 20:08.23 | b0ef | js_: what is it that you want to do then? |
| 20:08.24 | givemefive | hehe are you sure? |
| 20:08.36 | lazarus | agney: are you using dhcp3-* packages? |
| 20:08.39 | js_ | b0ef: well maybe i want that |
| 20:08.40 | streuner | lazarus: how do you know? |
| 20:08.41 | LSorensen | b0ef: if you want to be root, login as root, otherwise be a regular user |
| 20:08.45 | Rubin | its giving me errors about various people using h_errno directly now |
| 20:08.53 | zoid | anyone know what package dot is in? |
| 20:08.55 | LSorensen | Rubin: yes |
| 20:09.03 | b0ef | LSorensen: yeah, I was just ansering js_ 's question |
| 20:09.04 | lazarus | streuner: about dhcp3? |
| 20:09.05 | g4lt | LSorensen better to logijn as a user, then su |
| 20:09.11 | streuner | zoid: hell, /msg dpkg search ;-) |
| 20:09.20 | LSorensen | Rubin: means some people compiled their programs with a bad header. |
| 20:09.32 | streuner | lazarus: and that isn't in debian? |
| 20:09.33 | Rubin | lsorensen: mysql does it |
| 20:09.36 | lazarus | streuner: extended conversations in the past with the maintainers |
| 20:09.37 | lfs | why would ls /dev/agpgart show the device? |
| 20:09.37 | LSorensen | g4lt: same thing. Become root somehow to do root thigns |
| 20:09.41 | agney | lazarus: yes :) |
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| 20:09.42 | Theory | McQuaid: /etc/default/rcS is the file you want |
| 20:09.43 | b0ef | js_: do you want more than one user to be superuser? |
| 20:09.45 | LSorensen | Rubin: well no loss there |
| 20:09.46 | rel | hello |
| 20:09.48 | LSorensen | :) |
| 20:09.56 | Rubin | lsorensen: just annoying. theres nothing i can do short of re-install? |
| 20:09.59 | js_ | b0ef: more than one user if the one is root, yeah |
| 20:10.03 | rel | How does the initscript: ifupdown.sh normally look like |
| 20:10.09 | McQuaid | Theory: i already changed that to UTC=no |
| 20:10.26 | maru | lfs: /dev/agpgart is just a file, It has nothing to do with the hardware per se |
| 20:10.26 | streuner | rel: it looks like any other script in debian... ;-) |
| 20:10.34 | LSorensen | lfs: /dev/agpgart is a device node. It allows you to access the driver if it is there. The device node isn't in itself any indication of the driver existing |
| 20:10.35 | b0ef | js_: I don't understand why though; what is the purpose?. |
| 20:10.41 | LSorensen | Rubin: not that I know of. |
| 20:10.47 | rel | streuner: it not doing anything; just echoing |
| 20:10.50 | lfs | I thought the 2.2 kernels were being kept up to date |
| 20:10.50 | streuner | rel: just download ipupdown deb |
| 20:10.50 | Rubin | grumble |
| 20:10.56 | b0ef | js_: there surely is another solution to your problem. What do you want to do? |
| 20:11.04 | js_ | b0ef: i dont want it, its my stupid friend... im trying to advice him that its a bad thing but he doesnt understand, eheh |
| 20:11.06 | rel | streuner: ah, oke. how? apt-get it? |
| 20:11.07 | lfs | 2.2 has big advantage of being smaller |
| 20:11.12 | LSorensen | lfs: up to date no, bug fixes and such yes, features no |
| 20:11.23 | b0ef | js_: it really has no purpose |
| 20:11.27 | LSorensen | lfs: sure less features implies less space in general |
| 20:11.29 | js_ | b0ef: i know |
| 20:11.33 | b0ef | ;) |
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| 20:11.37 | lazarus | lfs: 2.6 is current, why would ancient by supportted indefinitely? |
| 20:11.44 | streuner | rel: on the mirrors or apt-get it |
| 20:11.52 | rlpowell | kernel-header-2.4.22 seems to be missing from ftp.debian.org; any idea where I can get it? |
| 20:12.01 | rlpowell | apt-get is bitching about needing to re-install it. |
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| 20:12.05 | lazarus | rlpowell: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:12.13 | rlpowell | Thanks. |
| 20:12.15 | lfs | What if you want a smaller kernel? |
| 20:12.15 | b0ef | you can put root:js_:NOPASS into /etc/suauth and you don't have to give passwd for superuser account |
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| 20:12.25 | LSorensen | lfs: 2.4 is current and reliable. 2.6 is latest 'stable' release although I think most people don't consider it stable until a few releases have happened :) |
| 20:12.30 | lfs | I cant even fit 2.4 on a floppy. |
| 20:12.34 | LSorensen | rlpowell: kernel-header_s_ ? |
| 20:12.39 | lazarus | lfs: /msg dpkg kp, configure as little as you like in |
| 20:12.39 | rlpowell | Ummm, lazurus, how does that help me? |
| 20:12.45 | LSorensen | lfs: then don't use modern hardware |
| 20:12.46 | rlpowell | lsorenson: yes, sorry. |
| 20:12.53 | arauko | lfs, thats cause you dont know how to do it |
| 20:12.58 | LSorensen | lfs: you could use split and then cat to reassemble it |
| 20:13.00 | lazarus | rlpowell: you want something old, you make something old :) |
| 20:13.13 | lfs | How do I do it? |
| 20:13.20 | lazarus | lfs: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 20:13.31 | trans__err | anyone know of a laptop that doesn't come with an OS? I don't want to pay for something i'll never use |
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| 20:13.42 | LSorensen | lfs: man split, see how to split a file into 1400k pieces, then use cat to put those pieces back together later |
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| 20:13.52 | LSorensen | lfs: no internet access from debian? |
| 20:14.06 | LSorensen | lfs: how did you even install the machine? |
| 20:14.10 | rlpowell | I can't run apt-get until I fix that headers package. I've already built my own kernel. |
| 20:14.11 | Zap-W | how do i tell iptables to direct tcp connections going to port 443 to port 21? |
| 20:14.15 | ignotus | hello, a hardware question. I want to buy a dualheaded matrox video card so I can watch a movie on TV *and* use my computer. Is it true that the more modern cards with TVOUT can't do this? |
| 20:14.29 | LSorensen | trans__err: a friend of mine just bought one recently |
| 20:14.39 | LSorensen | Zap-W: https to ftp? |
| 20:14.53 | lfs | Im on the internet right now |
| 20:14.56 | LordSyn | hey i've got a question reguarding an older mac g3 perhaps some one could shed some light on this |
| 20:15.00 | trans__err | LSorensen: brand? link? |
| 20:15.05 | lfs | I just have no video |
| 20:15.37 | trans__err | LordSyn: just ask |
| 20:15.37 | LSorensen | ignotus: I was under the impression nvidia's x server could run a second display on a tv if the card had tvout |
| 20:15.37 | Zap-W | LSorensen : no, the guy has all ports blocked except 443 , trying to access my ftp server in port 21 |
| 20:15.37 | LSorensen | trans__err: let me grab it |
| 20:15.37 | bluegate | what do you guys out there recommend. Compile 2.6 the debian way or with make BzImage .....? |
| 20:15.40 | frealek | people hi |
| 20:15.43 | rel | streuner: is this syntax correct?: apt-get --reinstall ifupdown |
| 20:15.44 | ignotus | LSorensen: thanks for the info, i'll look after that |
| 20:16.00 | Zap-W | just port rediraction |
| 20:16.03 | abrotman | LordSyn: theres also a #debian-ppc .. but its pretty empty |
| 20:16.07 | frealek | can someone tell me which of the following files have the setuid bit by default ? /usr/lib/man-db/man or /usr/lib/man-db/mandb ? |
| 20:16.10 | arauko | rel --reinstall install |
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| 20:16.24 | LSorensen | trans__err: Angel 3000C / Clevo M350C |
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| 20:16.26 | rel | arauko: oke :) |
| 20:16.32 | LSorensen | trans__err: bought it somewhere here in toronto |
| 20:16.42 | lfs | what is that build-essential about |
| 20:16.44 | LordSyn | every time i try to run the installer it goes to a grey screen till i do a control c bhen dumps to install screen but at that point my keyboard stops working i've had simmilar troubles with yd 2.0 - current |
| 20:16.49 | LSorensen | Zap-W: ftp requires multiple ports usually |
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| 20:16.59 | LSorensen | lfs: stuff needed to build most things |
| 20:17.08 | LSorensen | lfs: stuff essential to compile code basically |
| 20:17.09 | lfs | What is missing? |
| 20:17.22 | Zap-W | so it isn't possible to connect to a ftp server with multiple ports blocked? |
| 20:17.54 | LSorensen | Zap-W: I doubt it. ftp is an awful protocol |
| 20:17.55 | The_Vulture | Zap-W: that's not quite true, but near enough |
| 20:17.58 | LSorensen | Zap-W: very unfriendly |
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| 20:18.11 | LSorensen | Zap-W: no security either |
| 20:18.22 | lazarus | Zap-W: man scp, man sftp |
| 20:18.28 | LordSyn | the grey screen doesn't come untill after it's done all the device mapping |
| 20:18.29 | lfs | I guess I try 2.4 |
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| 20:18.36 | maru | hmm, whats the fastest way to replace a file in a iso image? |
| 20:18.43 | Zap-W | hmm , how can one transfer files via ssh1 then? |
| 20:18.47 | LSorensen | lfs: yeah 2.4.18 or 2.4.23 (stable or unstable respectively) seems like a good choice |
| 20:18.47 | LordSyn | any one have any ideas ? |
| 20:19.03 | LSorensen | Zap-W: scp filename remotehost:filename |
| 20:19.03 | tarzeau | Zap-W: scp -1 ? |
| 20:19.10 | The_Vulture | Zap-W: sftp and scp.. |
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| 20:19.24 | tarzeau | maru: mount -o loop,ro the.iso /someplace |
| 20:19.25 | lfs | How come new versions of 2.2 kept coming after 2.4? |
| 20:19.26 | Zap-W | putty has these 2? |
| 20:19.31 | Zap-W | putty for windows.. |
| 20:19.34 | tarzeau | maru: copy all over, change what you need, mkisofs again |
| 20:19.46 | lfs | I thought they were keeping both kernels up to date. |
| 20:19.48 | LSorensen | Zap-W: the putty download site does |
| 20:20.01 | Zap-W | ok thanks |
| 20:20.04 | maru | tarzeau: Heh, so there is no faster way, did it the same way ;) |
| 20:20.08 | LSorensen | lfs: they are NEVER adding new modern features to the 2.2 release. Why should they? |
| 20:20.13 | tarzeau | maru: good |
| 20:20.14 | LSorensen | lfs: new features is what made it 2.4 |
| 20:20.25 | maru | tarzeau: Sid jigdo images have MD5 problems ;/ |
| 20:20.31 | LordSyn | so does any one have any experience with installing debian on an old world mac g3 |
| 20:20.33 | LordSyn | ? |
| 20:20.36 | lfs | hardware support is a new feature? |
| 20:20.42 | tarzeau | maru: that's very normal i guess |
| 20:20.43 | rlpowell | Heh heh heh. 8) |
| 20:20.51 | lfs | OK |
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| 20:20.58 | tarzeau | maru: sid changes constantly, never make .iso's of sid (not even testing) |
| 20:21.00 | rlpowell | Yeah, none of the kernels pre 2.4 support hardware. |
| 20:21.01 | lfs | I just had a different understanding |
| 20:21.03 | LSorensen | LordSyn: ehm, I think I might have tried once. Is a 7300 oldworld or newworld? |
| 20:21.27 | LordSyn | hok :/ |
| 20:21.29 | wasabi | Is sysctl implemented through procfs, or vica versa? |
| 20:21.29 | maru | tarzeau: naw, the readme in / has a wrong MD5, and the new installer won't let me continue if the MD5 check fails |
| 20:21.31 | LordSyn | hrmmz * |
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| 20:21.47 | maru | tarzeau: the other files work |
| 20:21.51 | tarzeau | maru: aha |
| 20:21.55 | LSorensen | procfs is a kernel feature. No idea how sysctl does things |
| 20:21.56 | leach | how do you burn a bin/cue with cdrecord |
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| 20:22.04 | tarzeau | i still recommend install stable (minimal) then upgrade to sid |
| 20:22.08 | frealek | I think I found a (serious ?) bug in the man command... if someone can try to do man /etc/shadow as non-root, then being root, if you're root it edits the file /etc/shadow... (being root is not a problem to edit it, but that could lead to a security flaw if man/mandb is setuid imo). thanks for feedback |
| 20:22.08 | Mave | leach: cdrdao can burn |
| 20:22.14 | tarzeau | or better yet, why not try the d-i daily builds? |
| 20:22.17 | lfs | Is sid stable? |
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| 20:22.23 | lfs | I thought Sarge was next? |
| 20:22.24 | tarzeau | lfs: no it's unstable |
| 20:22.29 | frealek | (or is it a "feature" ?) |
| 20:22.31 | tarzeau | lfs: sarge will be stable yes |
| 20:22.36 | LSorensen | LordSyn: I seem to recall I booted from MacOS using yaboot or something to boot the installer. I don't think it could boot directly on that machine |
| 20:22.38 | tarzeau | www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:22.42 | lfs | Sarge is stable now? |
| 20:22.48 | tarzeau | lfs: no |
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| 20:22.59 | calamari_ | hi |
| 20:23.01 | maru | tarzeau: Its faster for me to install from a jigdo CD, since my upstream is sloow |
| 20:23.03 | LSorensen | lfs: woody is table, sarge is testing (will be stable some day), sid is unstable and always will be |
| 20:23.16 | Mave | frealek: can you edit /etc/shadow with man command ? |
| 20:23.27 | lfs | thnx, Woody is much better than potato |
| 20:23.41 | LSorensen | lfs: well potato was released many years ago |
| 20:23.46 | lfs | But they should add openoffice |
| 20:23.50 | Mave | lfs: and much much yeah better than sls :) |
| 20:24.00 | frealek | Mave: question is "can you modify a file from within the man command" |
| 20:24.08 | LSorensen | lfs: well sid has openoffice. Given how new openoffice is, it isn't surprising stable doesn't have it |
| 20:24.13 | calamari_ | I'm running X using xdm and logged in under a normal user account. Is it possible somehow to run apps as root from an xterm? When I do su, it no longer seems to accept the connections to the X server |
| 20:24.34 | tarzeau | maru: you mean your downstream |
| 20:24.34 | LSorensen | calamari_: ssh -X root@localhost is one easy way |
| 20:24.40 | Mave | frealek: hm I think you can not |
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| 20:24.48 | LSorensen | calamari_: or read about xauth and such |
| 20:25.00 | maru | tarzeau: of course, well upstream is slow too ;) |
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| 20:25.05 | lfs | Can they put openoffice in Woody? |
| 20:25.07 | tarzeau | maru: mine too |
| 20:25.09 | frealek | lazarus: thanks for help, yeah thanks I did not know what was root ;) |
| 20:25.15 | maru | tarzeau: ISDN? |
| 20:25.17 | leach | Mave: can you make an image of the bin cue somehow.. then use cdrecorD? |
| 20:25.18 | lfs | Or is it froze out? |
| 20:25.22 | calamari_ | LSorensen: I'll read up on xauth.. thanks :) |
| 20:25.27 | LSorensen | lfs: they could but debian doesn't add stuff to stable, they add to testing which will be released as a new stable some day |
| 20:25.39 | tarzeau | maru: 2000/400 but i share it with my brother, have no fixed ip, and there's a webserver that's got about 400 visitors a day |
| 20:25.42 | frealek | Mave: with the pager, perhaps, anyway man should NOT *edit / read* a file when calling man /etc/shadow.... |
| 20:25.42 | Mave | leach: don't know a way :/ I'd use cdrdao |
| 20:25.53 | lfs | I think open office is the end of Microsoft |
| 20:25.56 | tarzeau | maru: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/cablecom/ <- this cablemodem is mine |
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| 20:26.05 | calamari_ | lfs: I d/led oo straight from the website, seems to work fine |
| 20:26.18 | LSorensen | leach: why not write a bin/cue using cdrdao? |
| 20:26.20 | Sebulba01 | Test. |
| 20:26.32 | frealek | Mave: and even if you CAN'T *write* to it, you can get the hashes... |
| 20:26.33 | LSorensen | lfs: hardly |
| 20:26.54 | lfs | How is open office on windows? |
| 20:26.59 | abrotman | its ok |
| 20:27.04 | tarzeau | lfs: nice |
| 20:27.06 | lfs | I got mozilla and gimp running on windows |
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| 20:27.08 | Mave | frealek: man comand is setuid to man |
| 20:27.09 | abrotman | i have a slow machine .. and it shows |
| 20:27.10 | lfs | Work great |
| 20:27.15 | tarzeau | lfs: me too, try also blender |
| 20:27.25 | Mave | frealek: it's not setuid to root so there's not a security problem |
| 20:27.37 | lfs | Im a little scared to try open office |
| 20:27.39 | tarzeau | lfs: did you try mplayer too? and try at least gimp 1.3? |
| 20:27.44 | Mave | frealek: if this is waht we're talking about.. |
| 20:27.51 | maru | tarzeau: I would kill for cable or xDSL, but they don't offer it here |
| 20:28.01 | tarzeau | Mave: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/tr/ |
| 20:28.12 | tarzeau | maru: where do you live? |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | maru: go satellite! :) |
| 20:28.19 | frealek | Mave: sure... but it's a not so comfortable bug anyway... |
| 20:28.23 | lfs | What is blender? |
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| 20:28.29 | tarzeau | +apt blender |
| 20:28.30 | maru | tarzeau: I mean, the street where I live in |
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| 20:28.32 | ddent | 3d app |
| 20:28.35 | LSorensen | lfs: 3d modelling/rendering program I think |
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| 20:28.43 | ddent | very good 3d app |
| 20:28.44 | tarzeau | maru: use a cable to some street that has it |
| 20:28.44 | Hal9000_ | hello |
| 20:28.50 | tarzeau | apt blender |
| 20:28.54 | | Extremely fast and versatile 3D Rendering Package. URL: http://www.blender.nl/ |
| 20:28.56 | tarzeau | lfs: for you |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | lfs: it doesn't video images in 3d |
| 20:29.06 | Hal9000_ | i have woody. do i risk anything upgrading postfix 1.x to 2.0.16 backport? |
| 20:29.07 | abrotman | err does video |
| 20:29.08 | tarzeau | apt forget blender |
| 20:29.08 | | i forgot blender, tarzeau |
| 20:29.16 | Mave | tarzeau: pretty nice page, thanks |
| 20:29.18 | ddent | with python scripting even |
| 20:29.22 | tarzeau | apt blender is Extremely fast and versatile 3D Rendering Package. URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/blender/ |
| 20:29.24 | | tarzeau: okay |
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| 20:29.24 | abrotman | dpkg: blender |
| 20:29.25 | dpkg | [blender] a free GNU GPL cross plaform 3D creation suite, allowing fully integrated modeling, animation, rendering, post production and interactive 3D creation and playback. http://www.blender3d.org, or #blenderchat, or a scanline renderer with nearly ray-traced quality |
| 20:29.29 | nictuku | is there a text shell tool to convert all chars to lower case? or must I use sed? |
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| 20:30.06 | LSorensen | nictuku: tr? |
| 20:30.09 | Zap-W | say , does scp and sftp also use multiple ports for transfering files or just the ssh port |
| 20:30.21 | LSorensen | nictuku: perl? |
| 20:30.23 | Zap-W | multiplie |
| 20:30.30 | LSorensen | Zap-W: just ssh port |
| 20:30.40 | Zap-W | good |
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| 20:30.43 | Zap-W | thanks |
| 20:30.56 | LSorensen | zap: ssh is a "Good Thing" :) |
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| 20:32.13 | Mave | tarzeau: I've seen some serious typos in d-i po's |
| 20:32.24 | Mave | tarzeau: we need to review |
| 20:32.42 | tarzeau | Mave: yes ! good idea, go ahead ;) |
| 20:32.53 | Mave | tarzeau: yep :) |
| 20:32.57 | tarzeau | Mave: xybernaut's english is bad, so he could do this very good! |
| 20:33.04 | tarzeau | Mave: can you make a list of them and tell xyber? |
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| 20:33.23 | tarzeau | Mave: (what a cheap excuse for not translating, his english really is that bad?) |
| 20:33.36 | Mave | tarzeau: not sure really |
| 20:34.01 | tarzeau | Mave: olum #debian.tr 'de konsusana, neden orda degilsin, saatler Offtopic'is biz |
| 20:34.10 | Mave | :) |
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| 20:34.38 | nerdz | hi ppl |
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| 20:35.13 | Zap-W | hi again |
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| 20:35.35 | nerdz | i'm having problems with ppp. when i call a dialer i receive a msg saying that ppp.o doesn't exist. i enabled ppp in the kernel config.. what's the problem? |
| 20:35.38 | Zap-W | LSorensen : so in this case how do i tell iptables to redirect 443 to port 22 |
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| 20:36.02 | frealek | Zap-W: the -j REDIRECT is for you |
| 20:36.56 | asac | wanted to get the anaconda installer source ... but the svn.progeny.com seems to be down. Anyone heard of that?? |
| 20:37.12 | streuner | !anaconda |
| 20:37.12 | dpkg | from memory, anaconda is redhat's new installations system, it's GPLed and may come to other distros hopefully it has gtk+ and text based interface, or being ported to Debian by progeny |
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| 20:38.09 | lebowski | that's for installation on a clean machine, fwiw, not for rescuing |
| 20:38.14 | Zap-W | frealek : iptables -A INCOMING -p tcp -d 192.168.0.2 --destination-port 22 -j REDIRECT (what next ) ? |
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| 20:39.34 | frealek | s/INCOMING/INPUT/ |
| 20:39.46 | Zap-W | frealek : iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -d 192.168.0.2 --destination-port 443 -j REDIRECT (what next ) ? |
| 20:39.51 | dsad | hi guys |
| 20:40.05 | maru | Zap-W: You don't do that in the incoming chain |
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| 20:40.14 | frealek | Zap-W: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 22 |
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| 20:40.33 | Zap-W | maru do what |
| 20:40.33 | frealek | (or prerouting) |
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| 20:40.38 | frealek | (damn) |
| 20:40.43 | Zap-W | what's the difference |
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| 20:40.46 | maru | frealek: prerouting makes more sense |
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| 20:41.00 | frealek | maru: yeah I realized that ;) |
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| 20:41.16 | djw | which device can I use to copy the sound output? |
| 20:41.24 | maru | Zap-W: Go to www.iptables.org and read Rusty's unrelieable guides, you should really do that before messing with the firewall |
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| 20:41.33 | Zap-W | maru : why does pre-routing makes more sense |
| 20:41.43 | sussudio | !wayttd djw |
| 20:41.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, djw? |
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| 20:42.11 | Zap-W | maru : in a sec |
| 20:42.15 | djw | sussudio: I'm trying to pipe audio data to nas from the line in on the sound card |
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| 20:42.27 | djw | nas being the network audio system |
| 20:42.40 | djw | which allows you to playback over ip |
| 20:42.43 | Zap-W | frealek : what's the difference between this and prerouting |
| 20:42.53 | frealek | wait |
| 20:43.05 | Zap-W | it waits? |
| 20:43.10 | frealek | there is a picture on netfilter.org I think that explains all that |
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| 20:43.18 | frealek | but can't remember... if anyone has it |
| 20:43.27 | libre | what is the most painless way to move an installed WinXP system from one partition to another? |
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| 20:43.51 | libre | (probably the most painless is to just get rid of it ......) |
| 20:43.54 | Sebulba02 | reformat and install |
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| 20:44.10 | Zap-W | frealek : is it faster? |
| 20:44.14 | Sebulba02 | you can't "move" windows, it imprints te drives |
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| 20:44.20 | Sebulba02 | the* |
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| 20:44.38 | CasStyle | Is it possible to boot debian in a logical partition, using lilo? |
| 20:44.41 | libre | Sebulba02: that's retarded, but I guess not entirely unexpected ;) |
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| 20:45.02 | Sebulba02 | libre: indeed it is |
| 20:45.17 | frealek | Zap-W: nope, it's different |
| 20:45.33 | pro | hey guys, I need a package off http://packages.debian.org/experimental/misc/ how am i supposed to find it now? |
| 20:46.01 | g4lt | pro try ftp.debian.org... |
| 20:46.17 | greycat | better yet, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 20:46.43 | libre | okay, better question with a more reasonable answer probably. If one has a 20g ext3 partition and wants to move it to another drive's 60g partition, what is a better method? Some combination of dd and parted (since just dd will recreate the 20g partition), or just 'cp -avx'? |
| 20:47.07 | greycat | mount both, cp -ax, umount, mv, etc. |
| 20:47.30 | streuner | Inconnu=unknow? |
| 20:47.43 | Zap-W | frealek : are you sure --to-port exists? |
| 20:48.13 | pro | g4lt, greycat, thank you very much |
| 20:48.36 | libre | greycat: any benefits to using dd/parted in this case? |
| 20:48.52 | greycat | libre: no, absolutely not |
| 20:48.52 | libre | I can't really think of any offhand |
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| 20:49.19 | greycat | if you copy the data, you do less work, *and* you get it defragmented for free |
| 20:49.24 | greycat | streuner: non |
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| 20:49.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:49.40 | frealek | Zap-W: sure I use it |
| 20:49.48 | Zap-W | frealek : it says invalid argument |
| 20:50.18 | maru | Zap-W iptables -t nat -A PRerouting -i <incoming interface> -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 21 |
| 20:50.21 | frealek | Zap-W: you probably don't have the REDIRECT target support compiled for your kernel (module or not) |
| 20:50.41 | frealek | Zap-W: yeah or you just didn't correct my "INPUT" for a "PREROUTING" |
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| 20:51.09 | doublehp | mykonqueror hangs up on start, how can I debug it ? |
| 20:51.38 | frealek | can someone recall where to find the pic that explains the chains architecture in netfilter ? I can't find it |
| 20:51.40 | streuner | doublehp: i would guess, that your whole KDE doesn't work? |
| 20:51.42 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: build it with -O0 -g; and attach gdb to it when it hangs. |
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| 20:51.48 | sussudio | doublehp: with a lead pipe? |
| 20:52.08 | Zap-W | maru : nat? |
| 20:52.15 | Zap-W | why |
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| 20:52.44 | streuner | doublehp: unstable? |
| 20:53.59 | streuner | ~test |
| 20:54.01 | | Passed |
| 20:54.06 | streuner | haha |
| 20:54.21 | asac | how can I change (what proggy) the X resolution without restarting X?? |
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| 20:54.47 | streuner | asac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 20:54.53 | asac | yes |
| 20:54.57 | asac | but is there another way |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | RandR extensions iirc |
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| 20:55.31 | streuner | asac: well, if you have the right modelines just ALT Numlock+ - |
| 20:55.32 | abrotman | theres also .. uhm .. that + and - thing but i dont remember the keystrokes |
| 20:55.47 | maru | Zap-W |
| 20:55.47 | maru | ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix |
| 20:55.47 | maru | ff02::1 ip6-allnodes |
| 20:55.49 | maru | gah |
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| 20:55.50 | asac | streuner: thx. What do you mean with the right modelines?? |
| 20:56.08 | maru | sorry! wrong buffer |
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| 20:56.17 | asac | streuner: just a line with more than one entry?? |
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| 20:56.29 | abrotman | asac: you have to have defined more than just one resolution |
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| 20:56.45 | maru | Zap-W: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html#TRAVERSINGOFTABLES |
| 20:56.53 | streuner | asac: uhm, it is defined in XF86Config-4, you could use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:57.15 | normalperson | asac: xvidtune (-prev or -next) |
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| 20:57.15 | asac | abrotman: I have multiple resolutions setup, but nevertheless it does not work |
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| 20:57.26 | abrotman | asac: i assume you mean the + and - thing? |
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| 20:57.30 | asac | yes |
| 20:57.37 | engm | hi all! does anyone knows how to desactivate the usb driver in the kernel at boot time (not a module). I'm searching for an option like usb=off (which appears not to be working) |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | asac: thats the only way i know of .. maybe try #xfree86 |
| 20:58.19 | streuner | engm: turn off hotplug |
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| 20:58.26 | noah | help.. eclipse requires the j2re1.4 package but "Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate" |
| 20:58.28 | asac | normalperson: thx that works ... but I need the key setting |
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| 20:58.41 | engm | streuner : how do I do that at startup ?? |
| 20:58.42 | noah | where do i get the j2re1.4 package? |
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| 20:58.51 | Bac9 | I don't suppose anyone's been able to get an "HP ScanJetIIp" to work? works fine under m$, refuses to work under Linux |
| 20:58.55 | engm | the point is that I cannot boot normally and recompil the kernel |
| 20:58.55 | frealek | thanks maru |
| 20:58.56 | Hal9000_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.56 | Hal9000_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.03 | Hal9000_ | ok, what is the best answer to that? |
| 20:59.07 | engm | the init stalls when charging usb |
| 20:59.07 | hackeron | hey, anyone knows a way to report falsely filtered URLs to the squidGuard contrib blacklists??? All documentation in the file itself points to a dead link and project overall seems dead, but the blacklists seems up-to-date.. so anyone knows how to report a problem?? |
| 20:59.09 | asac | abrotman: maybe I need to turn it on somewhere |
| 20:59.15 | streuner | engm: apt-get remove hotplug, or update-rc.d remove it |
| 20:59.31 | abrotman | asac: ive never had to turn it on |
| 20:59.47 | engm | streuner : you didn't read me: I can't boot. I need to desactivate it at startup |
| 21:00.02 | asac | abrotman: which window manager do you use?? |
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| 21:00.24 | streuner | engm: you have a rescue disk? |
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| 21:00.50 | abrotman | asac: gnome mostly .. soemtimes blackbox |
| 21:00.54 | engm | streuner : not here. |
| 21:00.55 | nictuku | hackeron: where can i find this squidguard? |
| 21:00.57 | karsten | anyone know about the phoenix sources at p.d.o/~eric? I get 404. Is that obsoletetd? |
| 21:01.02 | abrotman | asac: is it possible your wm has a keybinding taking the call? |
| 21:01.08 | asac | abrotman: me uses gnome too?? |
| 21:01.10 | asac | 2.4 |
| 21:01.13 | engm | streuner: and I have no floppy disk here |
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| 21:01.21 | karsten | ~phoenix |
| 21:01.22 | | from memory, phoenix is lightweight and fast, still well-equipped (tabbed browsing, customizable toolbar, etc.) www browser based on mozilla andyoucan find its project page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix, or deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/i386/ ./ for prerelease packages, or , or now called firebird |
| 21:01.23 | maru | karsten: I think sid is up-to-date nowadays |
| 21:01.27 | karsten | ...that appears to be obsoleted. |
| 21:01.28 | hackeron | nictuku: squid-guard.org is now dead (that's official listed site), but its available on: http://ftp.teledanmark.no/pub/www/proxy/squidGuard |
| 21:01.50 | karsten | apt: phoenix is also Hrm... p.d.o/~eric appears to be 404. No further data ATM. |
| 21:01.53 | | karsten: okay |
| 21:01.55 | nictuku | hackeron: hmm why is it dead? is the project dead also? |
| 21:01.57 | karsten | pro: Turn that off. |
| 21:02.01 | sussudio | ~tell pro about away |
| 21:02.03 | streuner | engm: How did you install debian at all? :-) |
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| 21:02.47 | hackeron | nictuku: last update of squidGuard is dated somewhere in the year 2001, and main site s dead, but the blacklists is up to date.. there is a mistake there I wish to report, but no idea where to report, any ideas?? |
| 21:02.50 | engm | streuner: I have an iso, but not here. elsewhere |
| 21:02.51 | streuner | engm: use the CD |
| 21:02.55 | djw | is it possible to make a file which is a fifo so that you can read and write to it like a buffer? |
| 21:03.18 | frealek | djw: man mknod |
| 21:03.22 | maru | djw: mkfifo |
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| 21:03.42 | djw | ooooo |
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| 21:04.49 | streuner | engm: inconnu? |
| 21:05.56 | nictuku | hackeron: no, sorry. |
| 21:05.57 | karsten | nictuku: http://squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us/ |
| 21:06.10 | nictuku | hmm |
| 21:06.30 | streuner | engm: Where do you live? |
| 21:06.32 | karsten | nictuku: That's not the official site though, and links to the dead URL. |
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| 21:06.58 | hackeron | karsten: ok, looking there :) |
| 21:06.59 | engm | streuner: say that I'm work here and that my CD is at home... |
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| 21:07.23 | thomas_adam | nictuku: http://linuxgazette.net/issue78/adam.html#squidg |
| 21:07.37 | streuner | engm: and at work you haven't a floppy-drive? |
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| 21:07.48 | engm | I have no floppy disk |
| 21:07.50 | hackeron | thomas_adam: looking :) |
| 21:08.00 | thomas_adam | hackeron: :) |
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| 21:08.12 | streuner | engm: a cd-burner? |
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| 21:08.31 | engm | what is the kernel source file that handle boottime options ? |
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| 21:08.54 | hackeron | thomas_adam: hmm, still can't see anywhere to report a really serious mistake in the blacklists :( |
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| 21:09.06 | streuner | engm: uhm, you use lilo to interupt the process... |
| 21:09.31 | engm | streuner : how do I do that? |
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| 21:09.40 | Czesiu | Does anyone use integrit from unstable? |
| 21:09.57 | exobyte | I'm using kpp to connect to the internet. From the log, after it recieves the connect signal, pppd starts and it crashes. Here are the errors: |
| 21:09.58 | exobyte | Jan 7 13:06:30 debian pppd[408]: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 21:09.58 | exobyte | Jan 7 13:06:30 debian pppd[408]: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 21:09.58 | exobyte | Jan 7 13:06:30 debian pppd[408]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
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| 21:10.12 | streuner | engm: you hit 'ALT/CTRL DEL' or such |
| 21:10.13 | enraged_ | Hi, i've a problem with the dhcp server. It works perfect with linux clients, but windows clients aren't able to connect to the dhcp server... can anybody help? |
| 21:10.19 | exobyte | heh- pasted too much |
| 21:10.38 | petemc | enraged_: do you see any dhcp requests in syslog? |
| 21:10.44 | sussudio | exobyte: sucks to rtfm, doesn't it? |
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| 21:11.04 | petemc | ~ToreSB-- |
| 21:11.04 | exobyte | sussudio: ok- what part of the fm should I read? |
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| 21:11.13 | ddent | Just about every link on this page is broke. |
| 21:11.13 | ddent | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 21:11.15 | sussudio | exobyte: the bit about "noauth" |
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| 21:11.19 | engm | streuner: nonsense. When? And to do what? I just want the kernel not to load the usb driver. |
| 21:11.38 | ddent | Where do I get a single cd installable iso of Debian 3.0r2 |
| 21:11.46 | exobyte | sussudio: which fm? |
| 21:11.52 | sussudio | exobyte: pppd |
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| 21:12.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | anyone here have an AS number from ARIN? |
| 21:12.02 | exobyte | sussudio: off to read |
| 21:12.09 | sussudio | ddent: netinstall or cd1 |
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| 21:12.40 | lazarus | Ro0tSiEgE: how does that relate to #debian, mr k-lined? |
| 21:12.53 | Ro0tSiEgE | lazarus: that was a proxyscan bug |
| 21:13.06 | jenova | q! |
| 21:13.25 | Ro0tSiEgE | lazarus: and there is no specific chan that deals with multihoming/BGP/ASN's |
| 21:13.30 | streuner | engm: that's impossible, just /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 21:13.53 | sussudio | exobyte: alternately, you could just put noauth in /etc/ppp/options |
| 21:13.55 | exobyte | sussudio: so adding noauth to the command executed will either fix things or cause a new error? |
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| 21:14.14 | exobyte | sussudio: hey- I rtfm-ed right |
| 21:14.21 | streuner | engm: basically you use the same command for booting |
| 21:14.35 | streuner | engm: without fsck and such. |
| 21:14.59 | sussudio | djw: gently |
| 21:15.07 | djw | seems like this audio is going into a black hole |
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| 21:15.14 | exobyte | sussudio: thx. I need to connect now. I'll be back- I'm sure |
| 21:15.15 | Justin_ | ungm left a while ago heh |
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| 21:15.45 | hackeron | does anyone know a way to block porn and other inappropriate websites with squid with a pretty up-to-date reliable database of websites (not wildcards and regular expressions, from experience too unreliable) ?? |
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| 21:16.13 | zefab_ | Hi, I installed a new wireless card and recompiled my kernel, and now i have thos error lines init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 21:16.17 | streuner | hackeron: disconnect from i-net ;-) |
| 21:16.17 | lewis | i have recently upgraded to exim4, and can't seem to send e-mails using outlook - I think my passwd.client file is set up wrong... |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | hackeron: is this for your kids again? |
| 21:16.27 | lewis | outlook says: relaying prohibited |
| 21:16.29 | zefab_ | does someone could help me telling me where it could come from ? |
| 21:16.39 | MdG_work | I could use something like that for my kids as well. |
| 21:16.40 | fragg | does anyone know if there are any problems with GLAME and ALSA? I just installed it and upon recording any sound, it segfaults when I press stop |
| 21:16.44 | streuner | lewis: LTNS :-) |
| 21:16.44 | MdG_work | and for me, for that matter. |
| 21:16.48 | lewis | LTNS? |
| 21:16.50 | hackeron | abrotman: yes |
| 21:17.00 | streuner | ~LTNS |
| 21:17.03 | | "Long Time No See" |
| 21:17.03 | hackeron | abrotman: who else needs porno blocked :) |
| 21:17.07 | lewis | hehe |
| 21:17.11 | lewis | yeh - thanks |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | hackeron: how old are your kids? .. i mean .. maybe it would be easier to have "the talk" |
| 21:17.16 | lewis | most things are good :P |
| 21:17.40 | lewis | in passwd.client, I have: *:lewis:encryptedpass |
| 21:17.43 | lewis | is that right or wrong? |
| 21:17.46 | abrotman | hackeron: or threaten them with taking the computer away completely |
| 21:18.03 | MdG_work | lol...threaten. |
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| 21:18.51 | hackeron | abrotman: lol, lame P:) |
| 21:18.54 | zefab_ | in my logs, i have : kernel: Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
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| 21:18.59 | streuner | lewis: in which file comes that? |
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| 21:19.03 | hackeron | abrotman: not for MY kids, kids in a school :) |
| 21:19.07 | streuner | lewis: never saw that |
| 21:19.14 | hackeron | abrotman: can't take PC away, and not my place to do the talking ;) |
| 21:19.51 | exobyte | sussudio: well- next error. Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 21:20.11 | lewis | hey |
| 21:20.17 | sussudio | exobyte: oh, just use google. |
| 21:20.22 | lewis | in file: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 21:20.27 | abrotman | hackeron: just skip the talk .. give them the porn :) |
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| 21:20.43 | exobyte | sussudio: I tried it on that error. I get a bunch of pppoe stuff. /me can only wish he had dsl |
| 21:20.56 | lewis | I am trying to smtp auth into exim4 using outlook express. at the moment, I can't send outgoing mails to outside the box, due to 'relay errors' |
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| 21:21.17 | MudBlud | Im trying to update my kernel, I have done everything (make menuconfig, make dep, make clean bzImage modules modules_install |
| 21:21.25 | MudBlud | ) now what should I do |
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| 21:21.43 | hackeron | abrotman: lol |
| 21:22.09 | Hyber | Anyone knows if there is a working site with a backport of XFree 4.3.0 for woody?? |
| 21:22.09 | squibs | where can i find a list of courier-imap deb package versions? |
| 21:22.27 | rlpowell | I suspect this is a FAQ, but I need to re-install; how do I preserve my package state so that once I get the new machine up I can say, "OK, just grab *these* pacakges please"? |
| 21:22.37 | exobyte | Hyber: did you check apt-get.org and backports.org? |
| 21:22.47 | maru | lewis Is host_auth_accept_relay set? |
| 21:22.47 | lazarus | zefab_: i get that without wireless here :( |
| 21:22.53 | lewis | ok - checking... |
| 21:22.56 | sussudio | exobyte: why don't you just use ppp by itself instead of kpppd |
| 21:22.57 | thomas_adam | lewis: sorry, mate] |
| 21:22.58 | lewis | perhaps I missed it in exim4.conf... |
| 21:22.58 | lazarus | zefab_: sid? |
| 21:23.05 | lewis | thomas_adam: about time punk |
| 21:23.12 | lewis | a 'I'll be right there' took 4 hours |
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| 21:23.31 | lazarus | rlpowell: man dpkg | grep -packages |
| 21:23.34 | peppo | is there a Debian unstable repository that has XFree86 CVS snapshots (I need a free GeForce 4 driver)? |
| 21:23.37 | exobyte | sussudio: at one point I was. I also tried using pon. This is there error I got there |
| 21:23.41 | MudBlud | Anyone? |
| 21:23.45 | Ro0tSiEgE | peppo: accelerated? |
| 21:24.02 | peppo | Ro0tSiEgE, I care for a free driver. not 3d acceleration. |
| 21:24.05 | lewis | maru: is 'host_auth_accept_relay' in exim4.conf? |
| 21:24.06 | rlpowell | Thanks lazurus. |
| 21:24.06 | streuner | peppo: try /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
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| 21:24.28 | exobyte | sussudio: The main reason for kppp is that this system is for someone who is new to computers |
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| 21:24.31 | peppo | streuner, I doubt that'll tell me how to get XFree86 CVS (which has geforce4+ support) |
| 21:24.39 | syn_ | hi all |
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| 21:24.46 | maru | lewis: aw dang, I only have exim3 here, don'T know much about 4, sorry |
| 21:24.49 | Hyber | exobyte, not, backports.org ill try it.. Thanx |
| 21:24.52 | lewis | shit |
| 21:25.00 | streuner | peppo: we are in #debian not how use CVS |
| 21:25.01 | lewis | I am pretty sure I had that option in exim3 |
| 21:25.07 | syn_ | do you know something about the wine package in unstable, that it cannot use networking? |
| 21:25.11 | peppo | streuner, I know how to use CVS. that was not my question. |
| 21:25.17 | lewis | but I recently upgraded - I need to know the exim4 for 'host_auth_accept_relay' |
| 21:25.36 | lazarus | rlpowell: er, "et-selections" not "-packages" |
| 21:25.38 | streuner | peppo: you question was how to get nvidia gefore 4 to work, right? |
| 21:25.41 | peppo | streuner, I asked if anyone knew of (read: could offer a link, or pointer) for a place that has Debian XFree86 CVS packages. installing from source is a pain and mess. |
| 21:25.45 | peppo | streuner, no. |
| 21:25.53 | peppo | streuner, "<peppo> is there a Debian unstable repository that has XFree86 CVS snapshots (I need a free GeForce 4 driver)?" |
| 21:25.55 | peppo | quite specific. |
| 21:26.02 | rlpowell | Thanks. 8) |
| 21:26.08 | peppo | I asked for nothing else, but I'm not ungreatful for other attempts at help. |
| 21:26.18 | lazarus | rlpowell: you want the -[gs]set-selections switches, specifically |
| 21:26.20 | maru | lewis: Gimme a sec, im trying something here |
| 21:26.24 | sussudio | exobyte: the only things in my /etc/ppp/options are: user username@blabla, asyncmap 0, nodefaultroute, noauth, debug. |
| 21:26.29 | lewis | thanks |
| 21:26.35 | lazarus | rlpowell: you want the -[gs]et-selections switches, sigh |
| 21:26.45 | rlpowell | I figured it out. Thank you. 8) |
| 21:26.52 | lazarus | rlpowell: np |
| 21:27.01 | rlpowell | Glad to see it's easy. |
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| 21:27.08 | syn_ | does anybody experience problems in wine packacge from unstable woody? |
| 21:27.11 | streuner | peppo: so you think, only an CVS version of X will work with your videocard? |
| 21:27.12 | lazarus | rlpowell: well, not as much as you'd like |
| 21:27.21 | peppo | streuner, I know it. |
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| 21:27.33 | peppo | streuner, there's no GeForce 4+ support in 4.3.x |
| 21:27.35 | streuner | uhm |
| 21:27.38 | lazarus | rlpowell: hint, email the list to yourself, then don't retrieve your mail until on the new box :) |
| 21:27.40 | peppo | which is the latest released XFree86. |
| 21:27.41 | rlpowell | lazarus: Why not? |
| 21:27.54 | lazarus | rlpowell: becasue any file you > to will be on the old box, heh |
| 21:28.13 | peppo | streuner, only the development version has support for GeForce 4+. there is the proprietary NVidia corporation driver, but that one is non-free, and I will not use it. nor did I ask for it. |
| 21:28.34 | rlpowell | Yeah, the only problem I'm seeing is that it doesn't say which packages to *remove*. |
| 21:28.36 | lazarus | rlpowell: obviously if you can scp the file elsewhere, or not overwrite /home or something, it's all simple :) |
| 21:28.42 | xenohugs | Anyone have recommendations for ncurses-based audio (particularly mp3) players? |
| 21:28.49 | xenohugs | Something other than mp3blaster, that is. |
| 21:28.53 | tarzeau | xenohugs: madplay |
| 21:28.54 | bluegate | hello i have installed 2.6-test11 kernel. now after booting i get kernel panic. VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or hda3 Please append a correct "root=" boot option. But dev/hda3 is root? any ideas? |
| 21:28.58 | rlpowell | I'm not going to destroy *everything*. |
| 21:28.59 | lazarus | xenohugs: apt-get install mpg321 |
| 21:29.02 | streuner | peppo: if the maintainer of the nvidia patches don't know it, prolly nobody could help you, just /j #nvidia |
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| 21:29.05 | tarzeau | xenohugs: i'm not sure if it uses ncurses though |
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| 21:29.13 | rlpowell | lazarus: Probably just most of bin and lib and friends like that. |
| 21:29.19 | lewis | should I just add 'host_auth_accept_relay = *' to my exim4.conf? |
| 21:29.21 | lazarus | rlpowell: gotcha |
| 21:29.24 | peppo | streuner, I am there, and have already asked there. |
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| 21:29.43 | maru | lewis: yup, host_auth_accept_relay is correct for exim3 |
| 21:29.45 | djw | b'ah how can I record sound into a fifo |
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| 21:29.50 | lewis | argh - I have exim4 :P |
| 21:30.01 | xenohugs | lazarus, mpg321 would be a command line player. |
| 21:30.06 | sussudio | lewis: only if you like to send out P E N I S E N L A R G E M E N T emails |
| 21:30.10 | rlpowell | lazarus: I'm fairly certain that I've tracked down everything the rootkit did; re-installing is just gravy. |
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| 21:30.17 | xenohugs | payniz enlarge |
| 21:30.24 | lazarus | xenohugs: of course |
| 21:30.42 | lazarus | rlpowell: reinstalling the rootkit? :P |
| 21:30.47 | lewis | er - thanks |
| 21:31.00 | bluegate | hello i have installed 2.6-test11 kernel. now after booting i get kernel panic. VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or hda3 Please append a correct "root=" boot option. But dev/hda3 is root? any ideas? |
| 21:31.24 | lazarus | test11 is oooollldd |
| 21:31.44 | streuner | bluegate: official kernel, intrid=/boot/intrid*.img in lilo.conf then. |
| 21:31.45 | lewis | http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20020415/839.html - argh |
| 21:32.10 | antigraviton | bluegate: device drivers missing or compiled as mods? |
| 21:32.10 | LSorensen | bluegate: ide driver built in? |
| 21:32.32 | pole | um, my /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap is almost empty and i dont have one in /etc/hotplug/usb/. what should i do? |
| 21:32.41 | rlpowell | lazarus: Heh. |
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| 21:32.59 | donki | Hi, i need to ask some question about hot to compile kernel in the good way |
| 21:33.07 | fimp | <afrosheen> I'd pit a freshly installed mandrake server against a debian stable server any day |
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| 21:33.14 | sussudio | donki: no, you need to compile it in a bad way. |
| 21:33.15 | fimp | ^ is that true? |
| 21:33.18 | streuner | bluegate: i.e. nitrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.22-1-686 |
| 21:33.20 | donki | nice |
| 21:33.32 | sussudio | donki: goody two shoes kernels are for wussies. |
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| 21:34.05 | lazarus | donki: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:34.07 | lazarus | donki: /topic |
| 21:34.08 | lewis | grrr - 'host_auth_accept_relay' has been abolished with exim4 - due to ACLs!!!! |
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| 21:34.19 | donki | so i extract kernel image to /usr/src, i make mrproper, make menuconfig, then make |
| 21:34.26 | lazarus | donki: /topic |
| 21:34.27 | bluegate | streuner: i have build my own kernel! 2.6 |
| 21:34.29 | maru | lewis: I was going to tell you that right now ;P |
| 21:34.35 | streuner | donki: no, /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:34.50 | donki | that doesnt help, this was not the real question |
| 21:34.54 | streuner | bluegate: wth you use test11 then? |
| 21:35.00 | maru | lewis: If you got it working, tell me how. |
| 21:35.02 | lazarus | donki: *read* the fscking factoid! |
| 21:35.12 | thomas_adam | lewis: I've problems here |
| 21:35.18 | donki | the question, what to do with the usr/src/2.x.x library, do i need to keep it or can delete? |
| 21:35.21 | zefab_ | lazarus: testing. I thaught about a devfs pb, but it's not that |
| 21:35.30 | bluegate | Does 2.6 KErnel not work with lilo? |
| 21:35.41 | antigraviton | bluegate: it does |
| 21:35.46 | streuner | bluegate: of course |
| 21:35.49 | lazarus | zefab_: well, you're testing, i hope you filed the right bug |
| 21:35.57 | lewis | erm... |
| 21:36.00 | lewis | ok |
| 21:36.03 | lazarus | zefab_: what package did you file it against btw? |
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| 21:36.35 | bluegate | antigravitation: but why does it not recognize my /dev/hda3 as root partition? I just have the same as i always had? |
| 21:37.37 | antigraviton | bluegate: 'cause kernel cannot load modules before the root device is mounted and root device cannot be found because ide driver not in kernel |
| 21:38.04 | sandman | Wow...lots of broken packages @ sid |
| 21:38.12 | bluegate | antigraviton: uups. check out *smile* |
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| 21:38.19 | lazarus | bluegate: if youo dind't compile in support for your *boot* hardware, as =Y, then you get bit |
| 21:38.21 | sandman | for some reason, APache has many troubles configuring. |
| 21:38.29 | arauko | antigraviton, it actually can load module before the root device is mounted |
| 21:38.30 | antigraviton | bluegate: tru 2.6.0 proper not testxxx |
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| 21:38.54 | antigraviton | arauko: not without initrd... |
| 21:38.57 | lazarus | bluegate: since youo'll be recompiling anyway, use a current kernel |
| 21:39.03 | streuner | sandman: you are too critical, we love it, but it would help to solve the bugs... |
| 21:39.16 | arauko | antigraviton, now thtas different :) |
| 21:39.25 | quaqo | Bye |
| 21:39.47 | bluegate | antgraviton: i allready used a 2.6rc1 but i did not get to work my network card. I had the error unrecognized kernel version |
| 21:40.18 | antigraviton | bluegate: what net card? |
| 21:40.35 | donki | i compiled my kernel alredy, and i have readen newbiedoc also. But what are the important files of my new kernel? only the bzImage for example, or i do need to keep the source library (/usr/src/kernel-2.6.0) also? |
| 21:40.37 | lewis | argh - how do I do SMTP Auth with exim4? |
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| 21:42.22 | dippo | mana |
| 21:42.25 | dippo | er, man |
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| 21:42.29 | dippo | all these years i have used debian |
| 21:42.31 | exobyte | I'm setting up ppp stuff. How can I tell if I have a async of sync serial port? |
| 21:42.31 | dippo | I had no idea apt-file existed |
| 21:42.38 | dippo | all this time I have been going to packages.debian.org to search |
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| 21:43.50 | antigraviton | exobyte: 99% chance it's async; sync cards are $$$ |
| 21:43.52 | tof | Hi, do you know what /etc/network/options is for? (I use ip forwarding, but it's said ip_forward=no in that file)... |
| 21:44.02 | greycat | exobyte: it's async. |
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| 21:44.10 | exobyte | antigraviton: lol. |
| 21:44.23 | zefab_ | lazarus: what are you tlking about ? I'm trying to find out why my syslog is telling me Id "[1-6]" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 21:44.34 | exobyte | greycat: antigraviton: thx. I'm going to load that module |
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| 21:44.57 | lewis | greycat: how do you SMTP auth with a password file in exim4? |
| 21:44.58 | eNTi | with which setting (sid, testing,...) do i get access to bleeding edge .debs, like X4.3.0? |
| 21:45.12 | greycat | ~tell lewis about ask |
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| 21:45.25 | sussudio | eNTi: no. |
| 21:45.31 | exobyte | greycat: do I need to put the module in modules or will it auto-load (like I _think_ ppp does) |
| 21:45.52 | lewis | how do you SMTP auth with a password file in exim4? |
| 21:45.53 | lewis | :P |
| 21:45.55 | greycat | exobyte: it should autoload |
| 21:46.01 | eNTi | sussudio: no? what does this mean, no? |
| 21:46.06 | sussudio | ~no |
| 21:46.08 | | YES |
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| 21:46.16 | exobyte | greycat: which modules autoload and which ones don't? |
| 21:46.19 | sussudio | !rabbitseason! |
| 21:46.30 | eNTi | sussudio: hehe, "no" is the setting? |
| 21:46.55 | greycat | exobyte: you'll know when they don't work :) |
| 21:46.57 | bonez39 | is there any inherent risk in mv'ing a directory....from one branch onto / ? |
| 21:47.03 | st3ph_ | well, anybody who knows how to test com1 port |
| 21:47.15 | sussudio | eNTi: the avalanche has started. it's too late for the pebbles to vote. |
| 21:47.52 | bonez39 | my .../home folder is on a different drive partition than my / resides..and it's getting full..I want to prune some of it's branch directories..is there any risk in grafting them onto /? |
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| 21:47.53 | trans__err | eNTi: Experimental |
| 21:48.12 | eNTi | trans__err: thx, is this sussudio a bot, or just stupid? |
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| 21:48.36 | opus | apt bot is not there ? |
| 21:48.38 | | ...but bot is already something else... |
| 21:48.43 | lewis | greycat: how do you SMTP auth with a password file in exim4? with exim3.35, it was 'host_auth_accept_relays'... can you help me please? |
| 21:48.50 | sussudio | eNTi: you lack the ability to comprehend even the simplest things. |
| 21:48.54 | dondelelcaro | repeat after me: "experimental is not a flavor. experimental is just a repository." "I should not install things out of experimental without knowing exactly what they are and what they do and why they're in experimental." |
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| 21:49.23 | opus | seems that find command for apt is not working |
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| 21:49.45 | streuner | dondelelcaro: you don't an answer for that, don't you ? |
| 21:49.49 | trans__err | opus: use dpkg |
| 21:49.53 | dondelelcaro | streuner: answer for what? |
| 21:49.56 | antigraviton | sussudio: lay off,give'm a chance. I thought this channel was to help people, not bully... |
| 21:50.00 | tof | opus : apt-cache search |
| 21:50.09 | trans__err | antigraviton: you new here? |
| 21:50.11 | streuner | dondelelcaro: for that statement |
| 21:50.14 | sussudio | antigraviton: parse error, you smell like dog. |
| 21:50.16 | antigraviton | yeap, so? |
| 21:50.35 | trans__err | antigraviton: thats it... thats my point... |
| 21:50.48 | tam_ | anyone know of a good cgi irc program? (apart from cgi irc) |
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| 21:50.56 | dondelelcaro | tam_: ew. |
| 21:50.56 | eNTi | sussudio: you seem to have some issues |
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| 21:51.08 | tam_ | dondelelcaro: OK ta. i'll take a look |
| 21:51.11 | dondelelcaro | tam_: you do not want to IRC from a CGI script. |
| 21:51.17 | tof | What the /etc/network/options is used for? |
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| 21:51.39 | lewis | dondelelcaro: how do you SMTP auth with a password file in exim4? with exim3.35, it was 'host_auth_accept_relays'... can you help me please? |
| 21:51.41 | eNTi | stupid bot |
| 21:51.55 | tam_ | dondelelcaro: it's for a userbase for people at work who can't access irc other than cgi irc. good idea. it will be used in a safe closed community hosted on a safe server |
| 21:51.59 | sussudio | eNTi: you seem to be experiencing withdrawl symtoms from your previous crack habit |
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| 21:52.11 | tam_ | lol |
| 21:52.14 | dondelelcaro | tam_: why don't they just tunnel out on port 80? |
| 21:52.24 | dondelelcaro | lewis: I don't use exim. |
| 21:52.33 | lewis | grrr - can anyone help me? |
| 21:52.37 | maru | dondelelcaro: Does this work with layer-4 firewalls too? |
| 21:52.41 | tam_ | dondelelcaro: because a lot prolly don't know how to do that. too much hassle or they may be break their AUP |
| 21:53.00 | streuner | lewis: you want an short answer to a really complicated thing, that's almost impossible |
| 21:53.00 | dondelelcaro | tam_: well, they're breaking their AUP either way. |
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| 21:53.18 | dondelelcaro | maru: layer-4 firewalls? you mean those dumb http proxies? no. |
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| 21:53.29 | tam_ | dondelelcaro: no, it may be that they are not allowed to do a certain thing, but cgi irc over comes that. |
| 21:53.39 | tof | how do you tell pppoe to reconnect on deconnection? |
| 21:53.41 | maru | dondelelcaro: Yeah, like all the raptor firewalls symantec sells ;) |
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| 21:53.50 | streuner | lewis: i want the same, but you have to know about mysql MTA and little more.. |
| 21:53.55 | sussudio | tof: persist. |
| 21:54.06 | tof | sussudio: thanks |
| 21:54.34 | dondelelcaro | maru: if you're hidden behind a real http proxy, there's not much you can do... most firewalls though, don't restrict high port external access |
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| 21:55.02 | maru | dondelelcaro: here outgoing traffic is restricted to 80 and ftp |
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| 21:55.19 | lewis | http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20031013/061264.html |
| 21:55.33 | dondelelcaro | maru: yeah, people who break end to end connectivity tend to do that. That's one of the questions I ask in the second interview. |
| 21:55.40 | robbe | hi all |
| 21:55.51 | maru | dondelelcaro: Its corporate policy here ;/ |
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| 21:56.43 | dondelelcaro | maru: yerp, but I want to know about it well before I agree to come on board... most of the time, shops that do that sort of draconian filtering have other hidden IT issues that I don't want to deal with. |
| 21:56.58 | maru | dondelelcaro: They think about closing port 80 too, since not everyone should be allowed to enter the web |
| 21:57.20 | dondelelcaro | maru: why don't they just completely restrict access then? |
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| 21:57.55 | maru | dondelelcaro: This will prolly come next year |
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| 21:58.15 | tof | anybody knows what program use /etc/network/options as a configuration file? |
| 21:58.34 | maru | tof the startup scripts for example |
| 21:58.36 | sharth | probably init scripts |
| 21:58.54 | zefab_ | lazarus: what are you tlking about ? I'm trying to find out why my syslog is telling me Id "[1-6]" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 21:58.58 | maru | tof: /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 21:59.25 | tof | maru sharth : thanks a lot |
| 21:59.37 | jamessan | anyone have an idea as to why my computer would be using it's external ip to attempt to access an nfs share on my internal network? |
| 21:59.39 | LoRez | zefab_: because you forgot virtual terminal support in your kernel maybe? |
| 21:59.56 | squibs | Error 1 in compiling is a failure right? |
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| 22:01.42 | zefab_ | LoRez: just checked, i have it |
| 22:02.25 | zefab_ | Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 22:02.25 | zefab_ | Freeing unused kernel memory: 136k freed |
| 22:02.25 | zefab_ | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 22:02.25 | zefab_ | Adding Swap: 489940k swap-space (priority -1 |
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| 22:02.42 | zefab_ | soory for the flood |
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| 22:03.00 | grew | how do i go about changing the default fontsize of gtk2 apps? |
| 22:03.20 | maru | grew: Use the gnome control panel? |
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| 22:03.56 | silas- | I find myself setting IFS to a line feed and executing for i in *.foo; do something -on "$i"; done a lot. Is there an easier tool that lets me arbitrarily execute something easily once for every line of the output of another command? |
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| 22:06.24 | zula | i'm considering using my debian box to write some simple music. has anyone heard of controling a softsynth not via midi, but vaw? I'm wondering if a simple keyboard with mic out connected to my sound card would work? |
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| 22:06.24 | squibs | whats VAW? |
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| 22:06.28 | zula | sorry meant to say wav, but in this case a raw audio file |
| 22:06.35 | Raspberry | what the fuck is up with PHP4 and Apache on SID -- PHP based portions of pages don't load but no errors are displayed, yet PHP is parsing. |
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| 22:06.58 | squibs | Zula I've never heard of that |
| 22:07.01 | sirReal | what's the best *box WM? |
| 22:07.02 | somiaj | Raspberry: sid breaks things. |
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| 22:07.11 | somiaj | Raspberry: check the bts. |
| 22:07.14 | Raspberry | bts? |
| 22:07.17 | jamessan | sirReal: the one that fits your needs the best |
| 22:07.18 | quant | using bash scripting how can you tell if a directory exists? |
| 22:07.19 | somiaj | !best |
| 22:07.20 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 22:07.22 | Raspberry | bug tracking system |
| 22:07.22 | zula | squibs yeah, too much of a dream i guess. thanks |
| 22:07.28 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 22:07.28 | dpkg | S-s-s-s A-a-a-a F-f-f-f E-e-e-e T-t-t-t Y-y-y-y |
| 22:07.30 | Raspberry | yeah I did check the BTS |
| 22:07.35 | Raspberry | there are no bugs on it |
| 22:07.42 | Raspberry | apache, php4, apache-ssl |
| 22:07.43 | squibs | zula you might check out nosuch.org for oddities like that though |
| 22:07.43 | Raspberry | et al |
| 22:07.51 | squibs | zula what are you trying to do anyways? |
| 22:07.53 | silas- | quant: test -d foo && foo exists || foo does not exist |
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| 22:08.09 | somiaj | Raspberry: well if ya think its a bug try to figure out what it is so it can be reproduced and report it. |
| 22:08.23 | silas- | quant: Also, [ -d foo ] && echo foo exists || echo foo does not exist |
| 22:08.23 | bazz | does anyone have orinoco drivers working with the monitor and scan patches applied (and able to monitor/scan)? |
| 22:08.26 | djw | why can't auplay read from a fifo |
| 22:08.30 | squibs | zula im sorry nosuch.com |
| 22:08.32 | sirReal | i'll try openbox. i like standards |
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| 22:08.46 | quant | if [ -e "/etc/ftp" ]; then echo "Exists."; fi |
| 22:08.49 | quant | works great |
| 22:08.50 | zula | squibs will do. I want to write a track, I have a smiple kid's keyboard with audio out. I was thinking of using that keyboard instead of a midi keyboard, which I don't have |
| 22:08.50 | quant | thanks |
| 22:09.02 | Raspberry | i'm just really pissed off at the half-assed stuff that's going on with sid lately... |
| 22:09.12 | madness | Raspberry: sid is unstable. |
| 22:09.20 | madness | Raspberry: that's what it's there for |
| 22:09.20 | Raspberry | yeah, i know |
| 22:09.32 | madness | Raspberry: it breaks, and you shouldn't complain when it does. |
| 22:09.41 | Raspberry | well stable should be renamed ancient |
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| 22:09.51 | jamessan | no, it's aptly named stable |
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| 22:09.59 | madness | indeed |
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| 22:10.06 | Midian | sorry bout that. |
| 22:10.07 | jamessan | stable/testing/unstable have no bearing on how new or old the software is |
| 22:10.28 | jamessan | it tells you how well the software has been tested as a part of the Debian system |
| 22:10.29 | sussudio | ~cluebat jamessan |
| 22:10.35 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps jamessan. |
| 22:10.43 | squibs | zula you could probably get it to work in theory by figuring out what note(s) you are playing, however i think it would lag really bad and in audio thats bad |
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| 22:11.09 | madness | Raspberry: agreed, it's about time stable got an update, but it hasn't. |
| 22:11.18 | somiaj | Raspberry: its just a common myth that you need the newest versions...you do have to realize that stable is stable and is ported to 11 different archs |
| 22:11.33 | Raspberry | i realize that,perhaps gentoo is a better solution for x86 users -- i don't know |
| 22:11.34 | zula | squibs i'm also thinking about getting a really cheap kid's midi keyboard, that's what i'll probably do. checking out nosuch.com and it's very interesting. Thanks! |
| 22:11.40 | madness | Raspberry: it takes time to make software of that quality work well, and personally, I'm prepared to wait |
| 22:12.11 | madness | Raspberry: gentoo makes quite a sweet desktop if you have a damn quick machine. It's going nowhere near my servers though. |
| 22:12.16 | Raspberry | well php 4.1 was released around 3 years ago... iirc -- php4.3 was released over 2 years ago it just made it into unstable a few months ago |
| 22:12.41 | quant | is there a way to have the /etc/profile file re read? |
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| 22:12.42 | Raspberry | 4.3 was released 1.5 years ago or so |
| 22:12.49 | somiaj | Raspberry: I think it depends on what you want to do, but for a server running apache and php I would rather have things a little older and stable instead of bleeding edge, but for a desktop that is a different story, thus I run sid for that. |
| 22:13.08 | jamessan | quant: source /etc/profile |
| 22:13.16 | Raspberry | this is a bad argument to get into |
| 22:13.17 | Raspberry | :) |
| 22:13.21 | Raspberry | i'm going to stop now |
| 22:13.22 | quant | jamessan: heh, thanks a lot, should have known that ;) |
| 22:13.50 | madness | Raspberry: good plan. |
| 22:14.17 | somiaj | Raspberry: are there any features in php4.3 no in 4.1? if you can't think of one might want to just use stable...(: |
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| 22:14.56 | CuteAlien | hi |
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| 22:14.56 | Raspberry | my point is i'm just another frustrated debian user... I've using debian for 5 years and it's just a bit frustrating at times :) |
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| 22:15.09 | CuteAlien | hm, currently working from a rescue system - how can i prevent knoppix on hd from automatically starting into x? |
| 22:15.26 | somiaj | Raspberry: well if your frustrated why not donate your time to get php4.3 working and stable in debian, I think debian does an awsome job considering its almost all volenteers. |
| 22:15.34 | streuner | CuteAlien: /j #knoppix |
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| 22:15.48 | Raspberry | somiaj : there any lots of features in 4.3 that aren't in 4.1 -- many functionality updates and additional functions that allow for code efficiency and reduction. plus most php applications and documentation as well as reference manuals refer to 4.3 now as defacto standard -- even php's website recommends updating for security reasons |
| 22:15.54 | CuteAlien | ups sorry streuner - wanted to go there |
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| 22:16.09 | prologic | The AU mirror seems to have fakeroot_0.8.3 missing, whereas the us mirror has it. is the AU mirror out of date ? |
| 22:16.46 | jha | what is the easisiest way to install glibc-2.2.5 on debian testing. i need it for several lokigames |
| 22:16.50 | streuner | !info fackeroot |
| 22:16.55 | streuner | !info fakeroot |
| 22:16.58 | dpkg | fakeroot: (Gives a fake root environment), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 22:17.07 | prologic | yeeesh |
| 22:17.09 | Raspberry | somiaj : i spend plenty of time donating time to debugging -- the problem is the directory and configuration structures change in packages multiple times before they ever reach stable. I don't understand why packages aren't stablized and moved to stable instead of constantly revised for two years ... aka apache config |
| 22:17.10 | somiaj | Raspberry: /msg dpkg simple backport (another option for running things on stable)...I do agree that stable is a bit out of date, but don't agree that its a bad thing. |
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| 22:17.15 | prologic | 0.8.3 is unstable version ? |
| 22:17.28 | streuner | !info fakeroot testing |
| 22:17.30 | dpkg | fakeroot: (Gives a fake root environment), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 22:17.39 | prologic | hmm |
| 22:17.47 | mitchix_ | has anyone setup sbuild buildd and friends? |
| 22:18.01 | jamessan | anyone have an idea as to why my computer would be using it's external ip to attempt to access an nfs share on my internal network? |
| 22:18.11 | prologic | and isn't /etc/debian_version suppose to say "testing" on a testing system ? not "testing/unstable" ? |
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| 22:18.39 | LoRez | jamessan: because your external ip has a better route |
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| 22:18.53 | jamessan | LoRez: how would I go about fixing that? |
| 22:19.13 | LoRez | jamessan: are you and the nfs server on different logical ip networks? |
| 22:19.15 | Raspberry | jamessan : check your route table |
| 22:19.46 | jamessan | LoRez: nope. the nfs client is my gateway (so it has the external and internal NICs). the nfs server is on the internal network |
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| 22:20.12 | LoRez | jamessan: what's the ip and netmask of both internal interfaces? |
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| 22:20.18 | quant | this code is inside a file that is executed: echo -e "\nif [ "$UID" -eq 0 ]; then\n export FTPROOT=$FTPHOME\n export DATAROOT=$DATAHOME\nfi" >> /etc/profile problem is once it gets put into /etc/profile the "$UID" get evaulated, how can i make it so that i actually has "$UID" in the profile file? |
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| 22:20.23 | Raspberry | are you connecting to the nfs via ip or hostname? |
| 22:20.25 | Rakeleer | Howdy |
| 22:20.45 | jamessan | LoRez: client: 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 server: 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0 |
| 22:20.48 | Rakeleer | Anyone know the easiest way to find out if a CPU is SMT/HT capable? |
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| 22:20.49 | jamessan | Raspberry: tried both |
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| 22:20.59 | prologic | is there anyway of checking whether a mirror is up-to-date ? |
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| 22:21.16 | bonez39 | how do I change my system font? |
| 22:21.37 | streuner | bonez39: edit XF86Config-4 |
| 22:21.42 | jamessan | quant: might want to escape the $ |
| 22:21.46 | LoRez | jamessan: that's odd. you should have a route on the client for 192.168.0.0/24 that's on the internal int |
| 22:21.50 | quant | i see |
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| 22:23.26 | jamessan | LoRez: could it be because the nfs client is the default gateway for the internal network? just a guess as I don't know that much about routing |
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| 22:23.26 | LoRez | jamessan: shouldn't. especially if it's in fstab by IP |
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| 22:24.04 | jamessan | LoRez: yeah. I've had it working before, but then things stopped working. only thing I can think of is my changes to the iptables rules affected it somehow |
| 22:24.44 | Spider210 | Can someone look at my website www.onestop-hosting.net and tell me why it asks to download / when anyone goes to the page? |
| 22:24.45 | troubled | tempo: howdy |
| 22:24.50 | troubled | tempo: you rang? |
| 22:25.06 | troubled | jamessan: jenny? ;) |
| 22:25.16 | jamessan | troubled: ? |
| 22:25.26 | troubled | jamessan: wrong spelling, but nm, over your head :) |
| 22:25.40 | jamessan | ok... |
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| 22:26.18 | XpTerminator | bye.. 'night |
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| 22:26.45 | fragg | right - can anyone give me some idea how to record sound from the line-out using ALSA? (ie, to record sound from a video that happens to be playing) |
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| 22:27.12 | quant | jamessan: i did : source /etc/profile but i don't think it worked |
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| 22:29.04 | jamessan | quant: it should. you could also try '. /etc/profile' |
| 22:29.10 | vexation | ok, this may sound like a silly question but... I always see peoples screen shoots of thier desktop - they have a transparent (or slightly transparent) terminal window on the desktop that looks like it is built right in with no titlebar or anything - how do you do that? |
| 22:29.25 | vexation | bleh |
| 22:29.44 | confound | what a silly question that sounds like |
| 22:29.46 | jamessan | vexation: get a terminal that supports transparency and a window manager that allows you to turn off all decorations |
| 22:30.01 | maru | vexation: take a look at eterm for example |
| 22:30.02 | vexation | jamessan: does blackbox support that? |
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| 22:30.08 | JoePenguin | vexation: or why would you want to? I want my menu's to be fully visible, not ghostly and harder to see |
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| 22:30.33 | jamessan | vexation: I'm not sure. haven't used it |
| 22:30.33 | vexation | JoePenguin: I want it to display real time logs accross the screen but not seem like another window |
| 22:30.34 | JoePenguin | that's my take on it, anyway |
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| 22:31.11 | maru | vexation: take a look at root-tail then |
| 22:31.22 | jamessan | JoePenguin: the menus would still be normal (assuming you could Alt+Click on it or something to get a menu), but the actual term window would be transparent |
| 22:31.34 | jamessan | at least in a decent wm |
| 22:31.37 | JoePenguin | vexation: i think there are options you can pass to xterm and friends to remove window borders |
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| 22:31.46 | idimmu | vexation: you're not talking about a gnome gdesklet perchance? |
| 22:32.00 | vexation | idimmu: im not sure, what is that? |
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| 22:32.18 | idimmu | its a load of transparent widgets that can go on the desktop and sit there |
| 22:32.21 | tim__ | jamessan: what does the . before /etc/profile? |
| 22:32.21 | idimmu | and they do stuff |
| 22:32.27 | idimmu | maybe there is one that does what you want |
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| 22:32.40 | themane | hi all. does anyone know of a quick way to shut down and restart the sound system in linux? |
| 22:32.45 | vexation | ill have to play now that i have some ideas.. thx guys |
| 22:32.53 | jamessan | tim__: it's another way to source a file (may be a bashism) |
| 22:33.33 | fragg | themane: it all depends which sound system you're using, which you haven't told us |
| 22:33.34 | tim__ | jamessan: cool, didnt know that |
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| 22:34.14 | lewis | hey all |
| 22:34.20 | lewis | i got it working |
| 22:34.21 | lewis | cya |
| 22:34.25 | themane | fragg: sorry, i'm not sure which one it is... |
| 22:34.31 | maru | lewis: wait, tell me how ;) |
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| 22:34.35 | lewis | hehe |
| 22:34.38 | lewis | basically. |
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| 22:34.58 | lewis | at the end of exim4.conf - get rid of everything to do with passwd.client (the last three paragraphs of stuff) |
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| 22:35.27 | lewis | then, copy the top two paragraphs of stuff from /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_auth_examples or something (after uncommenting them) |
| 22:35.39 | fragg | themane: then I can't help.. |
| 22:35.40 | lewis | finally, add a passwd file to /etc/passwd, with users:encryptedpass |
| 22:35.41 | lewis | ok? |
| 22:35.59 | maru | lewis: Thanks for the info |
| 22:36.10 | lewis | sure thing |
| 22:36.11 | lewis | cya |
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| 22:37.34 | fragg | themane: so you have no idea if you're using ALSA or OSS? |
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| 22:38.56 | themane | fragg: looked into it, i'm using OSS |
| 22:39.01 | isladur | hi |
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| 22:39.49 | fragg | themane: so remove the modules for the soundcard and reprobe them |
| 22:40.42 | quant | jamessan: source: .: is a directory |
| 22:41.00 | jamessan | quant: no, don't source ., just '. /etc/profile' |
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| 22:47.49 | alem | when i loginas a normal user it alwaysg shows me "you have mail", but i dont |
| 22:47.49 | jayson | How can I find where radius.conf goes for package xtradius? |
| 22:48.00 | alem | how do i fox this? i am using postfix |
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| 22:48.23 | troubled | alem: your using Maildir format in postfix? |
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| 22:48.43 | somiaj_ | alem: are you sure, do you have any mail in $MAIL? |
| 22:48.45 | jamessan | alem: you should have mail, it's just not new |
| 22:48.51 | difeta | how can i run a program in the background as a user? |
| 22:48.56 | alem | troubled: imnot sure, where can i check it ? |
| 22:49.20 | erik | difeta: program & |
| 22:49.27 | troubled | alem: well, if you have a dir called ~/Maildir thats probably what your used to checking, but some programs might have saved it in /var/spool/mail/$USER |
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| 22:49.41 | shy | <shy> hey |
| 22:49.41 | shy | <shy> how compil a module in 2.6.0 ? |
| 22:49.41 | shy | <shy> in 2.4.* just "gcc -c -O3 target.c" |
| 22:49.42 | shy | <shy> how in 2.6.0? |
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| 22:49.45 | difeta | erik, will that take all the cpu load though? |
| 22:50.02 | erik | difeta: ... only if the program would have anyway |
| 22:50.04 | erik | difeta: try it |
| 22:50.14 | erik | you can always kill `pidof program` after |
| 22:50.25 | shy | how compil a module in 2.6.0 ? in 2.4.* just "gcc -c -O3 target.c" |
| 22:50.25 | alem | troubled: is it supposed to be in /home/user ? |
| 22:50.33 | fatal__ | shy: make drivers/foo/bar ... :) |
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| 22:50.44 | difeta | erik, ok, and one more quetion, im running hte program from a script, should i load the script with an & or the program call in the script or both? |
| 22:50.44 | shy | fatal__: :p |
| 22:50.47 | troubled | alem: really depends on your setup |
| 22:50.51 | lcolleton | It appears that current apache/php4/gallery package set doesn't work properly, to which package maintainer do I send email? |
| 22:50.53 | somiaj_ | troubled: I belive the default is for pam to look in $MAIL=/var/mail/$USERNAME. |
| 22:50.54 | erik | difeta: up to you |
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| 22:51.02 | alem | troubled: ok so how do i check it ? |
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| 22:51.10 | troubled | somiaj_: i believe your correct |
| 22:51.21 | difeta | erik, i dont understand. up? |
| 22:51.26 | erik | difeta: it's up to you |
| 22:51.32 | erik | difeta: try it :) |
| 22:51.37 | troubled | alem: well, try type: "mail" and see if it polls the /var/spool dir |
| 22:51.40 | difeta | erik, ok |
| 22:51.48 | fatal__ | shy: for example ... make menuconfig ... change "fealnx driver to M" ... then: make drivers/net/fealnx |
| 22:51.52 | alem | troubled: i use pine |
| 22:52.03 | difeta | erik, its not running in the background |
| 22:52.09 | thomas_adam | how can I get awk to keep a running total of filesizes from an ls -l? |
| 22:52.14 | thomas_adam | damn syntax |
| 22:52.35 | somiaj_ | alem: where does pine look for its inbox on your box? |
| 22:52.38 | troubled | alem: and what dir does pine check for mail? |
| 22:52.59 | troubled | alem: also, what distro are you running and how did you install pine? |
| 22:53.11 | alem | debian, from .deb |
| 22:53.22 | alem | sais it checks it in mail/ |
| 22:53.35 | troubled | alem: could you be more precise please |
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| 22:53.45 | alem | debian 3.0r2 |
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| 22:53.51 | winmutt | anyone feel like helping me out trying to xdmpc over ssh? |
| 22:53.56 | troubled | alem: you mean ~/mail/? or /var/spool/mail or what? |
| 22:54.10 | alem | it just sais mail/ |
| 22:54.12 | veleno | lilo gives me: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature. how should i fix it?....my root partition is in /dev/hda5 |
| 22:54.16 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: I don't know if awk has begin and end blocks... you can do it rather trivially in perl... perl -ne '(undef,undef,undef,undef,$size) = split /\s+/; $total+=$size; END{print $total}' |
| 22:54.24 | alem | but its probably /var/spool/mail |
| 22:54.29 | troubled | alem: odds are biff (program that alerts you of mail) is checking a diff dir than pine |
| 22:54.37 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: yeah, but awk.... :) |
| 22:54.47 | troubled | alem: well, take a look in the spool dir then and see where the mail is coming from |
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| 22:55.00 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: hrm, actually, awk does support end blocks. |
| 22:55.07 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:55.14 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: and begin blocks |
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| 22:55.56 | troubled | alem: check /var/mail/$USER |
| 22:56.00 | alem | troubled: it just contains a message which shouldnt be deleted |
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| 22:56.18 | troubled | alem: type: mail |
| 22:56.26 | troubled | alem: does that show any messages? |
| 22:57.07 | alem | troubled: it just contains a message which shouldnt be deleted |
| 22:57.07 | alem | "folder internal data" |
| 22:57.07 | troubled | alem: read it once I guess. That should at least mark it as read |
| 22:57.23 | troubled | alem: also, does your normal pine mail get sent to a dir in your home folder by your postfix? |
| 22:57.30 | deejoe_home | I guess I'm screwed with teh fsck error, eh? |
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| 22:57.34 | deejoe_home | (see #flood) |
| 22:57.46 | alem | troubled: yes |
| 22:57.58 | troubled | alem: ok, type: echo $MAIL, whats that say? |
| 22:58.13 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: ls -l |awk 'BEGIN{a = 0} {a += $5;} END{print a}' |
| 22:58.24 | alem | /var/mail/root |
| 22:58.38 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 22:59.08 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: you probably can even ditch the begin block... |
| 22:59.17 | troubled | alem: thats where biff is looking for mail. man mail, should tell you how to change where it points, or better yet, read up on pam and find out how to change the env var for MAIL to ~/whatevermaildiryouuse |
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| 23:00.59 | Ricky | hi all |
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| 23:01.13 | Ricky | i'm newbie to debian |
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| 23:01.19 | The_Ball | is there and 'zipfix' util for linux? |
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| 23:01.44 | Ricky | on my debian server there are two lan cards, one connected to the ISP and other to my LAN |
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| 23:01.57 | Ricky | I'm not able to ping out from my Debian server |
| 23:03.00 | troubled | Ricky: try pinging anyone else? Some people block icmp's |
| 23:03.10 | Korn | ~icmp |
| 23:03.12 | | methinks icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass |
| 23:03.13 | Ricky | i tried my isp's dns. |
| 23:03.18 | troubled | Ricky: do you have any internet access at all? |
| 23:03.20 | Ricky | i wasn't able to ping it too. |
| 23:03.36 | Ricky | right now i'm chatting thru my windoze machine.. |
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| 23:03.40 | Ricky | it's working here |
| 23:03.45 | Ricky | but under debian it isn't |
| 23:03.48 | Ricky | :-( |
| 23:03.50 | troubled | Ricky: so you do have internet access? |
| 23:03.56 | Ricky | yes |
| 23:04.05 | troubled | Ricky: try ping www.pipcom.com |
| 23:04.16 | Ricky | okay |
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| 23:04.34 | Ricky | i get the same msg... 100% packet loss |
| 23:04.47 | Ricky | my conf for eth0 is as : |
| 23:04.53 | troubled | Ricky: so then you have no internet access at all from debian box? |
| 23:05.00 | Ricky | ip: 192.168.1.43 |
| 23:05.08 | Ricky | yes from my debian box it's not connecting |
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| 23:05.18 | Ricky | i've plugged the cable to my windows machine. |
| 23:05.27 | troubled | Ricky: whats your eth1 ip? |
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| 23:05.43 | Ricky | it's 10.0.0.1 (eth1) |
| 23:05.50 | Ricky | it's connected to my LAN |
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| 23:06.00 | troubled | apt: so eth0 is using connection sharing in XP to the internet? |
| 23:06.05 | | troubled: what are you talking about? |
| 23:06.17 | troubled | err thats to you Ricky |
| 23:06.23 | Ricky | wait |
| 23:06.31 | somiaj_ | !tell vasak about root |
| 23:06.33 | Ricky | the debian machine has two lan cards |
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| 23:06.36 | Ricky | eth0 and eth1 |
| 23:06.37 | Soul-- | how do I start a new x session on vt 8 .. i've tried 'startx -- -screen "640" vt8' but it complains that server is allready active on display number 0 |
| 23:06.48 | suzzi | hi all any one use apt-spy? if so do you know how to have it include like the top 3 mirrors instead of just the top one? |
| 23:06.52 | Ricky | eth0 has ip 192.168.1.43 assigned by the isp |
| 23:06.57 | kpearce | how can I resize ext3 partitions without losing data? |
| 23:07.07 | somiaj_ | !tell Soul-- about 2ndx |
| 23:07.07 | Ricky | eth1 is my personal lan so i've given it 10.0.0.1 |
| 23:07.16 | asg | Soul--: startx -- :1 (should take the next available tty) |
| 23:07.20 | thomas_adam | Soul--: X :1 |
| 23:07.23 | troubled | Ricky: what kind of isp is that? the ip they gave you is reserved for private use |
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| 23:07.31 | Ricky | plugging the isp cable to eth0, i'm not able to ping to the isp's dns |
| 23:07.45 | Ricky | yes.. |
| 23:07.50 | troubled | Ricky: again, they may block icmp's so you cant go by that |
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| 23:07.54 | Ricky | they provide internet on cable |
| 23:08.01 | Soul-- | thomas_adam, asg, dpkg: thanks |
| 23:08.03 | troubled | Ricky: sounds like they are using some sort of NAT which seems odd |
| 23:08.05 | Ricky | but thru the windows machine it's working |
| 23:08.09 | suzzi | Ricky: are you using a home router or someting like that? |
| 23:08.11 | Ricky | ping and all |
| 23:08.13 | troubled | Ricky: whats your windows IP? |
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| 23:08.20 | ddent | http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 23:08.20 | Hal9000_ | haha |
| 23:08.31 | Ricky | the ip assigned by the isp 192.168.1.43 |
| 23:08.39 | thomas_adam | Hal9000_: :) |
| 23:08.41 | Ricky | temp,,i'm using it to access the net |
| 23:08.42 | troubled | Ricky: on your windows box? |
| 23:08.48 | ddent | What is 3.0r2? And what is 3.0.23 |
| 23:09.03 | Ricky | yes, temporarily i've assigned it to my windows box |
| 23:09.07 | thomas_adam | Hal9000_: get your Unix Epoch question sorted? |
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| 23:09.25 | somiaj_ | ddent: in refrence to what, 3.0r2 = woody debian 3.0 revision 2, though I don't know what the 3.0.23 would be refering to. |
| 23:09.26 | mitchix_ | i'm on t-moble and they are using the 10. for my ip address (nat'd ofcourse) |
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| 23:09.30 | suzzi | Ricky: and 192.168.*.* works on the winbox |
| 23:09.36 | Ricky | yes |
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| 23:09.39 | troubled | Ricky: how did you "assign" the 192.168.1.43 ip to windows? statically or dhcp? |
| 23:09.42 | Hal9000_ | sorry dave, can't answer you on that. |
| 23:09.46 | Ricky | but when configured on debian .. not working |
| 23:09.50 | ddent | somiaj_: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 23:09.51 | Ricky | statically |
| 23:10.10 | troubled | Ricky: first of all, tell your isp to get a clue. they shouldnt be giving you a 192.168 ip |
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| 23:10.33 | Ricky | okay,,, |
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| 23:10.39 | Ricky | but here it's in general practise |
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| 23:10.41 | troubled | Ricky: is that cable plugged straight into the cable modem? |
| 23:10.48 | ApEtc | troubled: A local ISP here gives out private addresses. They charge an extra $10/month for an actual public address. |
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| 23:10.52 | Ricky | it's not in to the modem .. |
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| 23:10.54 | alem | when i do depmod -a 2.4.20 it gives me unresolved symbols errors |
| 23:10.56 | somiaj_ | ddent: 3.0r2 are the offical revision 2 boot-floopies so those are the ones I'll grab, still don't reconize the other number you said. |
| 23:11.00 | Ricky | it comes to my eth0 lan card |
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| 23:11.02 | suzzi | Ricky: are you pluged directly in to the box that changes from cable->cat5? do you know if that box runs NAT for you? |
| 23:11.03 | troubled | ApEtc: ewww, thats unheard of around here :( |
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| 23:11.12 | ddent | downloading 3.0r2 iso's is more difficult than warezing windows |
| 23:11.22 | alem | make modules and make modules_install |
| 23:11.22 | Ricky | i've not configured nat on it yet.. |
| 23:11.25 | troubled | Ricky: then how is your windows box getting the ip right now then? |
| 23:11.29 | alem | troubled: still no luck |
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| 23:11.31 | ApEtc | troubled: I was surprised when I first heard it as well. For "casual browsers" it seems popular because its $10 cheaper than the other major cable company. |
| 23:11.44 | suzzi | Ricky: so the cable modem can do NAT? |
| 23:11.45 | Ricky | i've plugged the isp cable directly to the windows machine for temporary internet use |
| 23:11.50 | mastermind | question: I have 2 files, and would like to find out if there are any lines in file 1 that exist in file 2, how would I do that? |
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| 23:11.52 | troubled | Ricky: im having a hard time trying to understand wtf your doing with your setup here and how your online in windows yet assuming you can just share an ip on debian and windows |
| 23:11.56 | ddent | I already pay linuxcdrs.com a bunch of cash for 20 HORRIBLY burnt discs. |
| 23:11.56 | mastermind | these are text files |
| 23:11.58 | Ricky | so that i can figure out the problem |
| 23:12.01 | ddent | Now I am downloading for myself. |
| 23:12.03 | somiaj_ | ddent: why ya say that, i got all 7 in two days here....(: |
| 23:12.04 | troubled | ApEtc: i suppose price could be a factor |
| 23:12.18 | ddent | somiaj_: From where? |
| 23:12.20 | troubled | Ricky: do they block machines based on mac address perhaps? |
| 23:12.29 | Ricky | no ,, not yet. |
| 23:12.29 | ddent | somiaj_: Disk 1 is enough for minimal right? |
| 23:12.41 | troubled | Ricky: then it should work. dont know what to tell you |
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| 23:12.54 | Ricky | i can give you the details of ifconfig |
| 23:13.00 | troubled | Ricky: sure |
| 23:13.04 | suzzi | Ricky: ok lets back up a sec. you have a TV cable pluged in to a mystry box, from that mystry box how many ports are there that you can plug your computer to? |
| 23:13.11 | somiaj_ | ddent: I got my from the UofO mirror, check out debian.org and they list lots of mirrors you can grab them from, though use jigdo, the full isos are only on a few mirrors....Yes disc1 should be enough if you have a decent inet connenctino to get the ohter packages you need. |
| 23:13.12 | troubled | Ricky: paste to #flood |
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| 23:13.33 | Ricky | eth0 inet addr: 192.168.1.43 Bcast: 192.168.1.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:13.34 | o2^laoz | bonsoir |
| 23:13.34 | ddent | Is it annoying to find good apt mirrors? |
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| 23:13.47 | ddent | somiaj_: I see a ton of r1 not r2 |
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| 23:14.04 | Ricky | eth1 inet addr: 10.0.0.1 Bcast: 10.255.255.255 Mask: 255.0.0.0 |
| 23:14.05 | troubled | Ricky: whats your default gateway ip your isp gave you? |
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| 23:14.07 | polok | how do I make a smbfs mount not automatic in fstab? |
| 23:14.08 | hacim | how do I change what is mounted where when I chroot? I have a specific var directory for my chroot, but it isn't being seen because the chroot is looking at the mtab(?) and seeing /var mounted elsewhere and not seeing it because it is outside of the chroot |
| 23:14.17 | troubled | polok: noauto |
| 23:14.21 | Ricky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.38 | somiaj_ | ddent: well I din't have much trouble finding them, but r1 should work if you upgrade when you install it. |
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| 23:14.46 | troubled | Ricky: are you sure thats the nameserver? but i asked for gateway, not dns |
| 23:14.47 | ddent | I have r1 |
| 23:14.48 | ddent | It doesn't work |
| 23:14.53 | polok | troubled: I tried that and it said that noauto was an invalid option for that mount |
| 23:14.54 | ddent | I paid for it |
| 23:15.07 | ddent | I am looking for r2 at the suggestion of this channel |
| 23:15.10 | suzzi | polok: just set the type to smbfs and makesure that 'no-auto' is not incld, add the typical mount options for user and pass to the options col and you should be set |
| 23:15.16 | troubled | polok: you must have edited the file wrong, cause its noauto |
| 23:15.17 | ddent | intel-gige drivers dont work for shit in r1 |
| 23:15.21 | ddent | and i need that for network |
| 23:15.22 | pro | hey guys, with the command "rename" how do i take spaces out of names? |
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| 23:15.34 | pro | i try this rename 's/\ //' *.png |
| 23:15.41 | troubled | polok: should appear after the ext3 column (orwhatever fs type you use) |
| 23:15.46 | somiaj_ | hacim: make an /etc inside the chroot enviorment and add the files needed to make things mount correctly. |
| 23:16.02 | suzzi | [try2] any one use apt-spy? |
| 23:16.18 | suzzi | i need some help getting it to work? |
| 23:16.23 | ddent | Ok... |
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| 23:16.37 | RetroFlash | Can anyone spare a while to help me figure out what device my cdroms are. They are listed in dmesg, but seemingly unmountable. I am a novice. |
| 23:16.47 | troubled | Ricky: type route, paste in #flood |
| 23:16.47 | ddent | about 7 or 8 years ago Debian was small and accessible. |
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| 23:16.50 | polok | troubled: smbfs: unrecognised mount option noauto |
| 23:16.51 | ddent | Which dist is like that now? |
| 23:16.54 | Ricky | okay |
| 23:17.02 | asg | pro: use 's/\ //g' to remove *all* spaces from the filenames |
| 23:17.04 | troubled | polok: paste the one line in your fstab for that mount |
| 23:17.05 | ljlane | pro, /g |
| 23:17.12 | pro | thanks |
| 23:17.13 | somiaj_ | RetroFlash: what type of cdroms, ide? if so what controler and master/slave are they? |
| 23:17.21 | mitchix_ | ddent: what do you mean by accessible??? |
| 23:17.30 | songpenguin | Help, my harddisk, according to fdisk, has "DOS and BSD magic". it seems to be causing problems, how do I remove this? |
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| 23:17.37 | hacim | somiaj_: I've got a /etc already, but I'm not sure I understand what I need in there to make it work |
| 23:17.38 | suzzi | RetroFlash: what are you trying to mount Audio or Data? |
| 23:17.39 | RetroFlash | dvd and cdrs...were mounted fine befor 2.6 kernel upgrade. |
| 23:17.48 | dondelelcaro | ddent: so make a kernel with the drivers you need, and add it to a netinst image. |
| 23:17.56 | RetroFlash | like I said dmesg see them, but thats it. |
| 23:17.58 | ddent | mitchix_: Well, for one thing, in a #debian channel you wouldn't see people using ???-style punctuation. |
| 23:18.05 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Exactly. |
| 23:18.10 | ddent | dondelelcaro: So I am looking for r2. |
| 23:18.18 | o2^laoz | someone can help me to update libc6.2.2 to libc6.2.3 please? |
| 23:18.18 | ddent | Any-fucking-way, the drivers are there on the old image anyway. |
| 23:18.22 | ddent | On the default image. |
| 23:18.25 | ddent | They don't work. |
| 23:18.27 | troubled | Ricky: can you ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 23:18.29 | somiaj_ | hacim: the same things you need in /etc to make them work in the first place, fstab and mtab... |
| 23:18.32 | ddent | Where is r2? |
| 23:18.33 | Ricky | no |
| 23:18.37 | Ricky | that's what i'm trying |
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| 23:18.45 | ddent | Where is a single bootable iso of r2 I can download? |
| 23:18.47 | dondelelcaro | ddent: uh, you don't need r2 or r1. Just start with any old netinst image, get a kernel that works, and remake a netinst iso. |
| 23:18.47 | Ricky | if i ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:18.49 | pro | that didnt seem to work |
| 23:18.54 | Ricky | then i can figure other problems |
| 23:18.57 | ddent | No, I need r2. |
| 23:18.57 | troubled | Ricky: is the link light on? |
| 23:19.03 | Ricky | yes |
| 23:19.04 | Ricky | it blinks |
| 23:19.06 | ddent | Already tried r1. |
| 23:19.08 | polok | //HP/HPC /mnt/hp smbfs noauto,ip=x.x.x.x 0 0 |
| 23:19.09 | ddent | It's jacked. |
| 23:19.09 | dondelelcaro | ddent: no, you don't. |
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| 23:19.17 | Ricky | but i get 100% packet loss |
| 23:19.26 | dondelelcaro | ddent: if you get a working kernel, you will be able to boot with network support. |
| 23:19.29 | hacim | somiaj_: hrm, but all I am doing is chroot /var/chroot/apache, do I need a whole new fstab for that? |
| 23:19.38 | ddent | dondelelcaro: HOW THER FUCK TYOU DO YOU IUOGDC |
| 23:19.38 | troubled | Ricky: and when you plug teh same cable into the windows box and use the same IP info you get access no problems? |
| 23:19.44 | ddent | dondelelcaro: fuck you |
| 23:19.45 | Ricky | yes |
| 23:19.52 | troubled | ddent: watch your language please |
| 23:19.55 | Ricky | now you've got my problem |
| 23:20.11 | somiaj_ | hacim: why do you need an apache in chroot to mount drives? |
| 23:20.11 | pro | ok got it working |
| 23:20.13 | troubled | Ricky: are you sure they dont only allow your windows MAC address online? |
| 23:20.18 | dondelelcaro | ddent: please do not use caps, and definetly don't swear at people who are attempting to help you. |
| 23:20.26 | asg | dondelelcaro: another satisfied customer I see :) |
| 23:20.29 | hacim | somiaj_: no, its the otherway around :) I am trying to get apache into a jail |
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| 23:20.30 | dondelelcaro | asg: yes, apparently. |
| 23:20.38 | Ricky | yes,, they've not used mac capping yet |
| 23:20.38 | troubled | Ricky: have you installed a firewall on debian? |
| 23:20.41 | ddent | dondelelcaro: 'get a working kernel' |
| 23:20.44 | Ricky | not yet |
| 23:20.46 | ddent | dondelelcaro: What does that mean? |
| 23:20.48 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Download it? |
| 23:20.51 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Compile it? |
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| 23:20.57 | troubled | Ricky: doublt check (iptables -L) |
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| 23:21.04 | somiaj_ | hacim: ahh I misunderstood ya, though you were trying to mount drives inside a chroot enviorment. |
| 23:21.04 | Ricky | already checked |
| 23:21.05 | ddent | dondelelcaro: How do I compile it when I don't have a working Linux machine? |
| 23:21.08 | tarzeau | http://irc.evtek.fi/urllog/2003/12/12/AL6901G.jpg |
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| 23:21.11 | dondelelcaro | ddent: download sources, compile it, and go from there. |
| 23:21.12 | ddent | dondelelcaro: The kernel is supposed to work already. |
| 23:21.22 | ddent | dondelelcaro: I don't have a debian installation. |
| 23:21.22 | ddent | dondelelcaro: I can't compile it. |
| 23:21.23 | Ricky | the isp men say linux doesn't support 100mbps |
| 23:21.23 | hacim | somiaj_: I've been following the debian security guide on how to do it, but when i try to start apache it fails beause it can't open /var/log/apache/error.log. If I chroot /var/chroot/apache the var/log in there is empty, even though /var/chroot/apache/var/log/apache exists |
| 23:21.28 | ddent | dondelelcaro: I want to install Debian. |
| 23:21.28 | Ricky | is that the reason |
| 23:21.31 | dondelelcaro | ddent: do you have any working linux installations? |
| 23:21.34 | ddent | dondelelcaro: I can't compile it if I don't have it. |
| 23:21.38 | ddent | dondelelcaro: No. |
| 23:21.40 | asg | Ricky: the isp men are woefully misinformed |
| 23:21.42 | troubled | Ricky: thats a lie |
| 23:21.46 | Ricky | oh |
| 23:21.48 | hacim | somiaj_: nah, I think my problem is the chroot thinks /var is somewhere else than in /var/chroot/apache/var |
| 23:21.54 | ddent | dondelelcaro: This is not my solution anyway. |
| 23:21.59 | ddent | dondelelcaro: My solution is to get r2. |
| 23:22.01 | asg | Ricky: indeed, I run gigabit ethernet on linux boxes at work |
| 23:22.03 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Burn it, install it. |
| 23:22.07 | Ricky | wow |
| 23:22.09 | troubled | Ricky: try bring up eth0 with the same mac address as the windows box |
| 23:22.24 | Ricky | ok |
| 23:22.34 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Where do I get a single bootable cd iso of r2? |
| 23:22.35 | troubled | Ricky: you have to leave irc to do this? |
| 23:22.36 | Ricky | but i'll have to get disconnected for a while |
| 23:22.40 | troubled | Ricky: ok |
| 23:22.45 | troubled | Ricky: just making sure ;) |
| 23:22.54 | somiaj_ | hacim: yea its been a while since I last messed with that, but I was able to get it working with the security guide. |
| 23:22.55 | dondelelcaro | ddent: that won't help you at all. r2 doesn't have different boot floppies. |
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| 23:23.20 | ddent | dondelelcaro: By 'boot floppies' do you mean actual floppy disks? |
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| 23:23.36 | dondelelcaro | ddent: there are 2.4.20 boot floppies which might help, see http://people.debian.org/~blade/bf3024/ |
| 23:23.37 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Are these 'boot floppies' the same as are on the bootable CD? |
| 23:23.40 | troubled | ddent: no, he means cdrom's |
| 23:23.48 | troubled | </sarcasm> |
| 23:23.55 | dondelelcaro | ddent: yes, they are normally floppy disks, but they can just as easily be a floppy image on a cdrom. |
| 23:24.05 | ddent | troubled: <ddent> http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 23:24.09 | ddent | "boot-floppies" |
| 23:24.17 | ddent | people.debian.org |
| 23:24.18 | troubled | ddent: why you want me to go there? |
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| 23:24.23 | troubled | i could care less |
| 23:24.26 | ddent | Right. |
| 23:24.27 | ddent | Ok. |
| 23:24.35 | ddent | Well, people call this stuff "boot-floppies" |
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| 23:24.42 | dondelelcaro | ddent: eltorito uses a 2.88M floppy image to boot. Therefore, it is a boot floppy. |
| 23:24.47 | ddent | So, a clarification is logical. |
| 23:25.00 | troubled | ddent: what exactly is your problem may I ask? |
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| 23:25.20 | troubled | Ricky: well? |
| 23:25.23 | dondelelcaro | asa1: yeah, but that includes a hard drive... |
| 23:25.24 | ddent | troubled: Where is a single bootable iso of r2 I can download? |
| 23:25.24 | Ricky | ya, |
| 23:25.32 | Ricky | i've got new error msg |
| 23:25.38 | troubled | ddent: www.linuxiso.org? |
| 23:25.39 | Ricky | i hit the /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:25.43 | Ricky | the msg i got is |
| 23:25.48 | ddent | troubled: Can I download from there? |
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| 23:25.53 | ddent | troubled: I have ordered from there. |
| 23:25.54 | asa1 | dondelelcaro: for me it means a CD |
| 23:25.56 | ddent | troubled: And other places. |
| 23:25.57 | asg | dondelelcaro: disc is usually reserved for cd/dvd, disk for hard drives |
| 23:25.58 | troubled | ddent: no, i gave you the url for nothing |
| 23:25.59 | Ricky | SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 23:26.01 | ddent | I have spent a ton of money. |
| 23:26.07 | dondelelcaro | Ricky: you can ignore that. |
| 23:26.12 | Ricky | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 23:26.23 | Ricky | what error msg is it ? |
| 23:26.30 | dondelelcaro | Ricky: that means you have your gateway and/or netmask specified wrong. |
| 23:26.34 | troubled | Ricky: sounds like routing or something wrong |
| 23:26.37 | asa1 | asg: so i was write |
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| 23:26.46 | troubled | Ricky: whats your interfaces file look like? |
| 23:26.47 | asg | asa1: s/write/right/ |
| 23:26.52 | asa1 | asg: :-D |
| 23:26.52 | LSorensen | ddent: what is the hardware you are trying to install on? |
| 23:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Ricky: the SIOCDELRT just means that ifdown tried to deconfigure an interface that wasn't configured. no biggie. |
| 23:26.57 | Ricky | like? |
| 23:27.01 | troubled | Ricky: paste to flood |
| 23:27.03 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: apparently a gige |
| 23:27.04 | ddent | LSorensen: intel-gige |
| 23:27.06 | ddent | LSorensen: x86 |
| 23:27.07 | Triskit | does anyone know how to easily make accents in open office? |
| 23:27.09 | LSorensen | ddent: besides that |
| 23:27.11 | troubled | Ricky: your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:27.14 | LSorensen | ddent: what kind of machine? |
| 23:27.29 | dondelelcaro | Triskit: Should be compose-'-e FE. |
| 23:27.38 | troubled | ddent: are you haveing problems installing debian? |
| 23:27.41 | ddent | LSorensen: athlon 700, 256 ram, nvidia, creative soundblaster |
| 23:27.48 | ddent | troubled: intel-gige problems |
| 23:27.54 | ddent | troubled: network card |
| 23:27.56 | ddent | troubled: new |
| 23:28.03 | ddent | I am going to try r2. |
| 23:28.05 | ddent | As suggested. |
| 23:28.06 | Ricky | can there be problem with the cable.. |
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| 23:28.16 | LSorensen | ddent: ok. r2 will do nothing for you if you want the network to work |
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| 23:28.17 | troubled | ddent: ah. so you have no nic drivers then I assume if your problem? |
| 23:28.19 | Ricky | i saw a strange error even plugging it back to windows machine |
| 23:28.24 | hacim | anyone know a good chroot documentation? |
| 23:28.27 | Triskit | dondelelcaro: let me try.. |
| 23:28.35 | Ricky | i had to plug it thrice to work |
| 23:28.35 | troubled | Ricky: try the same cable your windows box is using |
| 23:28.38 | chapus | how can i configure an client of squid? |
| 23:28.47 | Ricky | yes it was the same.. |
| 23:28.47 | ddent | Yes that will be my problme when I try r2. |
| 23:28.52 | ddent | But someone said to try it, so I am. |
| 23:28.56 | Ricky | the first time there wasn't any blink |
| 23:28.58 | dondelelcaro | hacim: besides man chroot? [what are you trying to do?] |
| 23:28.58 | LSorensen | ddent: this link will probably help you though: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 23:28.59 | ddent | I figure it will do the same bullshit. |
| 23:29.02 | ddent | The drivers are there. |
| 23:29.02 | Ricky | then i bent the cable |
| 23:29.04 | ddent | I have the drivers. |
| 23:29.07 | Ricky | and tried again.. |
| 23:29.10 | ddent | The drivers are on the CD. |
| 23:29.12 | LSorensen | ddent: there are some 30M or so net install images there with e1000 support for woody |
| 23:29.14 | asg | ddent: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ (might have gige intel drivers) |
| 23:29.14 | Ricky | after some tries it worked |
| 23:29.28 | Ricky | is it a cable crimping problem ? |
| 23:29.38 | troubled | Ricky: perhaps its cable related. try another cable, only one way to find out |
| 23:29.39 | hacim | dondelelcaro: hey dondelelcaro, funny seeing you on different networks :) |
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| 23:29.45 | LSorensen | ddent: some are made for dell PE26x0 machines, some (like the 37M one) are more generic for modern machines |
| 23:29.55 | asg | ddent: after looking, the above image does have e1000 intel drivers |
| 23:29.56 | ddent | Where are they? |
| 23:29.59 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I am looking for a guide for setting up a chroot apache environment for secure webhosting |
| 23:30.00 | dondelelcaro | hacim: heh. yerp, on 3 now I think... |
| 23:30.02 | ddent | asg: So does MINE! |
| 23:30.09 | ddent | The image I have tried HAS the drivers. |
| 23:30.11 | Triskit | dondelelcaro: uhmmm, i don't understand, do you have a better example? |
| 23:30.12 | bluegate | hello if i build my own 2.6 kernel do i have to patch it or somthing like that for debian? |
| 23:30.13 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I'm micah on indymedia |
| 23:30.15 | Ricky | sure,, i'll do that.. but i must get the isp staffs for that.. it'll take todays time... |
| 23:30.17 | troubled | Ricky: curious, how many IP's do you have? |
| 23:30.17 | ddent | Woody 3.0r1 HAS the drievrs I need. |
| 23:30.23 | Ricky | anyway , thanks a lot for the help |
| 23:30.24 | ddent | They are jacked. |
| 23:30.26 | stormZen | does KDE work when upgrading from woody to testing (sarge?) ? |
| 23:30.27 | ddent | And this is well known. |
| 23:30.31 | ddent | Someone said try r2. |
| 23:30.35 | troubled | Ricky: np, sorry we couldnt get you online |
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| 23:30.44 | dondelelcaro | hacim: ah. there's a howto on that... for debian, you can do it using debootstrap and then pare down... [but that's probably more stuff installed than you want] |
| 23:30.49 | asg | ddent: the 2.4.18-bf2.4 image does not have e1000 |
| 23:30.49 | ddent | I only know the name of the drivers because it DOES have them. |
| 23:30.53 | troubled | RetroFlash: are you there? |
| 23:30.55 | Ricky | but i will i will.... within a week ... i willl |
| 23:31.03 | troubled | :) |
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| 23:31.17 | LSorensen | ddent: well nothing official for woody has e1000 support. That wasn't added until 2.4.19 or 2.4.20 and it uses 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 23:31.21 | florian_ | hi |
| 23:31.22 | Ricky | till then i'll use the windows machine forcefully :) |
| 23:31.26 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I am trying to setup a secure web server to replace riseup's old one, a jailed apache for different users is the next step |
| 23:31.27 | florian_ | what is a really fast way to get information of a image (tif) from a shell? |
| 23:31.29 | ddent | What dist supports this? |
| 23:31.33 | ddent | In stable. Now. |
| 23:31.39 | florian_ | imagemagicks identify takes quite too long |
| 23:31.39 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah I went through the howto earlier today, but it didn't work out for my setup |
| 23:31.39 | troubled | woohoo, dns back up for my isp |
| 23:31.50 | LSorensen | ddent: stable's kernel is too old to have Gbit ethernet support |
| 23:31.51 | songpenguin | ddent: did you LOAD the drivers? |
| 23:31.59 | asg | troubled: that's always a good thing |
| 23:32.07 | LSorensen | songpenguin: hard to load what doesn't exist at the time of release |
| 23:32.09 | ddent | The modules are on the 3.0r1 disc by mistake then? |
| 23:32.18 | asa1 | florian_: what information you want?? |
| 23:32.18 | o2^laoz | someone can help me to update libc6.2.2 to libc6.2.3 please? |
| 23:32.21 | LSorensen | ddent: where are e1000 module on the 3.0r1 disk? |
| 23:32.25 | ddent | intel-gige |
| 23:32.26 | troubled | asg: its been down since like dec 20th (forward dns on 24.XX ips) |
| 23:32.30 | asg | ddent: can you do an 'ls' and prove this module exists on that disc? |
| 23:32.30 | ddent | That's the name |
| 23:32.33 | florian_ | asa1: width and height |
| 23:32.40 | ddent | I can see it in the menu and see it trying to be installed. |
| 23:32.40 | troubled | asg: my isp thought I was stupid when I tried to tell them about it |
| 23:32.43 | LSorensen | ddent: never seen that. I know the e1000 driver should work |
| 23:32.43 | songpenguin | LSorensen: hmm |
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| 23:32.58 | troubled | asg: thought I was refereing to my domain names. Tech started getting mad at me |
| 23:32.58 | ddent | I can likely ls for it. |
| 23:33.01 | ddent | I won't though. |
| 23:33.14 | asg | troubled: :) |
| 23:33.17 | ddent | LSorensen: So what do I do? |
| 23:33.21 | ddent | LSorensen: Install unstable? |
| 23:33.25 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm. what's the error that you're seeing? [can you chroot to a shell?] |
| 23:33.34 | ddent | Last time I used Debian like 8 years ago I think I ended up being forced into unstable as well. |
| 23:33.51 | Hal9000_ | does dancer ircd support ssl connections? |
| 23:33.55 | ddent | Is this something Debian is not good at? |
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| 23:33.59 | ddent | Honestly. |
| 23:34.11 | dondelelcaro | hacim: I often find myself using the dpkg -i --root=/foo/bar for the apache depends usually... makes it much easier. |
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| 23:34.24 | LSorensen | ddent: Well is this for a production system or you personal desktop? |
| 23:34.32 | ddent | Development desktop. |
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| 23:34.49 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I can chroot to /var/chroot/apache fine. The problem is apache wont start because it is trying to open /var/log/apache/error.log, even though there is a /var/chroot/apache/var/log/apache when I chroot into a shell (chroot /var/chroot/apache) the /var inside the chroot is empty |
| 23:34.51 | florian_ | asa1: got any idea? |
| 23:35.00 | ddent | But I don't want a lot of bs problem like a perl bug destroying the entire system, as has happened in the past. |
| 23:35.25 | asa1 | florian_: no, thought maybe you want info on the file type ... but widht & height, I don't know |
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| 23:35.28 | ddent | Turning it into what amounts to a slackware machine with a bunch of broken debian infrastructure on it. |
| 23:35.32 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I think it is because my /var is a different partition, but there isa local filesystem var in the chroot |
| 23:35.51 | dondelelcaro | hacim: oh, you've got a different /var mounted inside the chroot? |
| 23:36.05 | suzzi | im sorry if any answered my plea for help with apt-spy, i was out. was there any takers that i missed? |
| 23:36.05 | hacim | dondelelcaro: no, outside the chroot there is a different var partition |
| 23:36.13 | LSorensen | ddent: hmm, well I run unstable on my desktop. testing isn't bad either, and the new installer is getting better (new beta got released of the install a couple of days ago). So you can either download one of the unofficial netinst cd images from the site I mentioned that has e1000 support and install woody (probably the easiest method) or you can try the sarge debian-installer |
| 23:36.28 | ddent | suzzi: That finds apt sources for you and/or finds the good ones? If so, I do remember using something like that. |
| 23:36.33 | dondelelcaro | hacim: ok, but /var/chroot/apache/var is still the same partition, right? |
| 23:36.38 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 23:36.59 | ddent | "unofficial netinst cd images" with "e1000"... Where? |
| 23:37.02 | stormZen | anyone know if KDE works in testing? |
| 23:37.11 | hacim | dondelelcaro: and there is a /var/chroot/apache/var/log/apache/error.log |
| 23:37.11 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm. I'd almost try remaking that directory inside the chroot. [I've never seen that before though... this isn't a journaling FS, is it?] |
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| 23:37.15 | LSorensen | ddent: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 23:37.22 | suzzi | ddent: i was looking to see if there was a flag that i could have apt-spy return the top 3 or top 5 over the one that it returns but i can find anything in the man for it? |
| 23:37.28 | LSorensen | ddent: look for something with e1000 support mentioned. there are a couple. |
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| 23:37.35 | rafael_ | hello.. where can I get information about postfix and virtual domains? :) |
| 23:37.38 | hacim | dondelelcaro: not only is it ext3, it is also LVM |
| 23:37.38 | ddent | suzzi: I think it used to do that by default. |
| 23:38.04 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm.... it's possible that it can't access the journal from inside the chroot... but that's pretty wierd. |
| 23:38.26 | hacim | dondelelcaro: the weird thing is if I do a chroot /var/chroot/apache and then cd /log (inside the chroot), I see nothing |
| 23:38.33 | ddent | LSorensen: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=intel-gige+e1000 |
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| 23:38.56 | suzzi | ddent: humm... well it's just returining one mirror for me, weird |
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| 23:39.12 | hacim | dondelelcaro: hmm, thats possible, but I can see other things in the chroot |
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| 23:39.15 | bob2 | ddent: sarge! |
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| 23:39.28 | ddent | suzzi: Make that address useless from your machines perspective and run it again to get the next :p |
| 23:39.30 | siar | hacim: maybe this will help http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html |
| 23:39.40 | hacim | siar: thats what I have been following |
| 23:39.42 | dondelelcaro | hacim: yeah, I'd try killing that directory, and remaking it inside the chroot. Not elegant, but it should work. |
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| 23:40.15 | songpenguin | rafael_ : you're local library meby. as for the web I'm not sure :) |
| 23:40.18 | LSorensen | ddent: is intel-gige different then intel etherexpress 1000? |
| 23:40.21 | exobyte | I was able to get kppp to dial out and connnect. A new network interface shows up. What's the next step to get on the internet? |
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| 23:40.55 | ddent | LSorensen: I do not believe so. |
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| 23:41.08 | ddent | LSorensen: intel-gige is intel gigabit ethernet. |
| 23:41.12 | bob2 | exobyte: that's it. |
| 23:41.19 | LSorensen | exobyte: for dialup I do: pppconfig, add a new provider with PAP login settings, then use pon to dial and poff to hangup and exterminate the garbage called kppp :) |
| 23:41.42 | ddent | All the cards are 'E 1000' |
| 23:41.52 | ddent | Is it possible the card is detected as somethign else? |
| 23:41.53 | LSorensen | ddent: well I tried searching the debian woody installer kernel config for e1000 and gige and stuff and found nothing. |
| 23:41.54 | ddent | Something 10/100 ? |
| 23:42.01 | LSorensen | ddent: unlikely. |
| 23:42.04 | ddent | LSorensen: It's on the 3.0r1 cd. |
| 23:42.07 | ddent | I can look at it right now. |
| 23:42.12 | ddent | intel-gige |
| 23:42.12 | LSorensen | ddent: what is the filename? |
| 23:42.14 | ddent | module. |
| 23:42.19 | ddent | Fuckin, it's in the menu./ |
| 23:42.25 | ddent | Let me go look or something. |
| 23:42.25 | thomas_adam | is there anyway to stop dpkg -l from truncating the filenames? |
| 23:42.27 | LSorensen | which kernel? 2.2 or 2.4? |
| 23:42.27 | suzzi | heres another question while i'm at it. any one know if theres a way that i can use procmail to parse a file of email addresses to be sorted (ie all emailaddrs in ~/.spam -> /dev/null) theres no one answering on #procmail so i figured i might ask here |
| 23:42.30 | ddent | 3.0r1 |
| 23:42.34 | ddent | I don't know what kernel |
| 23:42.41 | ddent | Official image |
| 23:42.43 | LSorensen | ddent: is this CD1 or a netinstall cd? |
| 23:42.46 | ddent | Starting maching now |
| 23:42.47 | ddent | CD1 |
| 23:42.51 | LSorensen | ddent: so 2.2 |
| 23:42.56 | LSorensen | hmm, let me check |
| 23:43.19 | hacim | hrm, is there a good securing apache book out there that details how to make a totally locked-down apache, php, jail, etc.? |
| 23:43.32 | djw | the sox man page is so shit |
| 23:43.40 | ddent | http://valdemar.lemche.net/projects/woody-xfs-netinst4servers/bootbf2.4-xfs_with_basedebs.iso |
| 23:43.41 | ddent | Download that for now |
| 23:43.46 | ddent | I know this won't work. |
| 23:44.05 | ddent | When all is done, I will learn I can't use my nic. |
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| 23:44.16 | dondelelcaro | hacim: php is kind of difficult to do per user... |
| 23:44.35 | ddent | dondelelcaro: Easier in Apache 2? |
| 23:44.42 | ddent | dondelelcaro: I think so. |
| 23:44.45 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah, the best would be to do UML, or vserver, but its such a waste of resources |
| 23:45.05 | dondelelcaro | hacim: yerp. the other way is to run php through cgi and use SuExec, but it's still kind of crappy.l |
| 23:45.26 | ddent | You guys don't know about apache 2's mpm stuff? |
| 23:45.38 | ddent | That might change all those hacks and nobody owned file bs. |
| 23:45.44 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I want to put apache in a jail, put on mod_dosevasive, mod_security, SuPHP, turn off register globals, safe mode on... |
| 23:45.50 | ddent | I haven't done it with php, but was trying to with python crap. |
| 23:46.00 | ddent | I assume it will do better with php. |
| 23:46.04 | hacim | ddent: mpm? |
| 23:46.05 | LSorensen | ddent: I can't imagine what name they gave to that config setting in 2.2 |
| 23:46.12 | songpenguin | hacim: hthere is, it's a website. Let me see if I can find it for you :) |
| 23:46.13 | bob2 | ddent: mpm doesn't work with most DSOs. |
| 23:46.20 | bob2 | ddent: particularily PHP. |
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| 23:46.27 | LSorensen | ddent: the menu for configure modules has intel gige as an option when you run the installer? |
| 23:46.34 | cafuego | ddent: But luckily apache 1.3.x works fine |
| 23:46.44 | ddent | cafuego: It does? |
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| 23:46.52 | cafuego | ddent: Yes. |
| 23:46.57 | ddent | cafuego: Then how do you work around files own by nobody being created by php? |
| 23:47.07 | ddent | pair.com would like to know. |
| 23:47.08 | bob2 | ddent: suphp.org |
| 23:47.24 | cafuego | ddent: Why would php create files owned by nobody? File uploads? |
| 23:47.32 | ddent | cafuego: Any file php creates. |
| 23:47.41 | Poprocks | !seen xk |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'xk', Poprocks |
| 23:47.43 | LSorensen | ddent: I find they are usually owned by www-data |
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| 23:47.51 | cafuego | LSorensen: Whatever apache runs as. |
| 23:47.58 | dondelelcaro | hacim: yeah, that's probably the best for starters... anyway... |
| 23:48.09 | hacim | ddent: where can I find info on mpm? |
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| 23:48.24 | ddent | Well, I don't know whty, but the biggest and baddest php isp's did tell me the security reason the shit has to end up being owned by nobody. |
| 23:48.25 | dondelelcaro | hacim: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mpm.html |
| 23:48.27 | ddent | But I won't worry about it. |
| 23:48.30 | ddent | I bet they are doing all they can. |
| 23:48.31 | ddent | pair.com |
| 23:48.33 | ddent | futurequest.com |
| 23:48.36 | cafuego | ddent: Well, since I don't permit php to write except to specific dirs it's not that big an issue. I setgid such directories, though. That way any uploaded/written file is owned by my www group. |
| 23:48.37 | ddent | iu can search mails and forum posts |
| 23:48.39 | dondelelcaro | hacim: probably looking for the prefork module and setting the User appropriately. |
| 23:48.44 | ddent | but for now i have other things to deal with |
| 23:48.53 | ddent | cafuego: Well there you have iut. |
| 23:48.56 | cafuego | ddent: I don't muich care who deletes them, all web users are chrooted anyway. |
| 23:48.57 | ddent | This is for shared hosts. |
| 23:49.09 | songpenguin | hacim: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 23:49.16 | hacim | cafuego: how do you restrict php directory writes? |
| 23:49.21 | cafuego | ddent: You set open_basedir |
| 23:49.26 | ddent | Nah |
| 23:49.28 | cafuego | hacim: ^^ |
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| 23:49.51 | cafuego | when they ftp in they're chrooted to the same dir |
| 23:50.06 | hacim | songpenguin: appreciate it, but I've already followed that with no success, and had it pointed out three times :) |
| 23:50.06 | bob2 | ddent: www.suphp.org, exactly what you want. |
| 23:50.15 | cafuego | and since that dir is setgid, theyc an *always* delete stuff. |
| 23:50.33 | songpenguin | hacim: did you see the index at the bottom? never mind I have another |
| 23:50.48 | ddent | bob2: I doubt it. |
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| 23:51.03 | ddent | bob2: If I present that to my ISP they will already know a super technically legit reason for shooting it down. |
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| 23:51.09 | jemin | wea |
| 23:51.13 | ddent | If you truly care, give me your e-mail address. |
| 23:51.15 | bob2 | ddent: then you have lost already. |
| 23:51.18 | ddent | And I would love to figure this out. |
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| 23:51.39 | bob2 | ddent: look at it, it runs php scripts as actual users. |
| 23:51.45 | ddent | Right. |
| 23:51.47 | ddent | But what's the catch. |
| 23:51.53 | ddent | It's unstable? |
| 23:52.01 | ddent | It's slow/ |
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| 23:52.17 | bob2 | wtf would I know? |
| 23:52.20 | ddent | I'll ask a few ISP's what they think. |
| 23:52.24 | bob2 | I'm not the one who wants it. |
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| 23:52.32 | ddent | Oh, ok then. |
| 23:52.36 | bob2 | if it is buggy, make them pay to get it working properly. |
| 23:52.38 | cafuego | ddent: Yes, they added usleep() calls all over the code so that it runs really slow. |
| 23:52.39 | ddent | Well, I trust these ISP, they are hardcore. |
| 23:52.41 | hacim | bob2: do you think suphp is slower than doing a UML for each web "customer"? |
| 23:52.46 | bob2 | they can't just complain. |
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| 23:53.00 | bob2 | why the hell would you run a UML session for each customer? |
| 23:53.03 | bob2 | that's insane. |
| 23:53.06 | songpenguin | hacim: http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/SoothinglySeamless/ |
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| 23:53.23 | Mag007 | is there a version of xbox connect for linux? |
| 23:53.25 | songpenguin | hacim: I think that's the one I had before... |
| 23:53.30 | cafuego | bob2: 2.2.X UML with 32Mb of ram? :-) |
| 23:53.36 | ljlane | bob2, VPS, UML hosting |
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| 23:53.49 | hacim | songpenguin: I'll take a look at it, thanks |
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| 23:54.18 | songpenguin | hacim: I dont think it does jails tho... |
| 23:54.24 | hacim | bob2: well its a lot easier to setup and more secure than mucking around with apache and php |
| 23:54.26 | nikal | which gcc version are testing and unstable compiled with respectively? |
| 23:54.34 | LSorensen | ddent: hmm, well I found which intel-gige you are talking about. It is at least 1.5 years probably closer to 2 years old, so it may not even recognize your NIC |
| 23:54.36 | hacim | songpenguin: oh, I know how to setup php and apache, just not the jail part |
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| 23:54.44 | hacim | ljlane: VPS? |
| 23:54.52 | ddent | LSorensen: It said my NIC was already in use or some bs. |
| 23:54.57 | ddent | I can check lgos. |
| 23:55.00 | exobyte | LSorensen: I need to use a dialer with a gui. Sorry my reply took so long |
| 23:55.02 | ddent | But, if you found it, that's good. |
| 23:55.14 | ddent | I will try to e1000 stuff. |
| 23:55.14 | LSorensen | ddent: already in use or not found I suspect |
| 23:55.14 | bob2 | ljlane: oh, I know, I have one. but for simple webhosting, it's massive overkill. |
| 23:55.17 | bob2 | hacim: script it. |
| 23:55.24 | LSorensen | ddent: the e1000 driver is much newer and a lot more reliable |
| 23:55.25 | ljlane | hacim: virtual private servers, see linode.com, jvds.com, etc |
| 23:55.28 | hacim | bob2: first I gotta get it to work |
| 23:55.30 | ljlane | bob2, ah |
| 23:55.41 | ddent | LSorensen: Thank you, I have to reboot to burn CD. |
| 23:55.47 | hacim | ljlane: yeah, its just resource intensive :( |
| 23:55.48 | LSorensen | exobyte: why do you need a gui for dialing the internet? |
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| 23:55.58 | londonboi | Hi All, can anyone here help me with Java? when i install the plugin and go to a website that uses java, i get a WARNING **: Serious fd usage error 18 and the browser crashes. anyone able to assist with this. Thanks |
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| 23:56.02 | exobyte | LSorensen: this computer is for my grandmother |
| 23:56.03 | bob2 | hacim: just create a seperate apache config file for each customer, running as their particular user. |
| 23:56.03 | LSorensen | ddent: I sure hope it works, but it should. |
| 23:56.19 | LSorensen | exobyte: so add a dial and hungup button the the taskbar |
| 23:56.31 | ddent | brb |
| 23:56.34 | songpenguin | hacim: hmm... I never made a jail, figured it was too much hassle for the bang |
| 23:56.34 | hacim | bob2: thats my plan, but I want to jail apache first |
| 23:56.35 | LSorensen | exobyte: pon/poff/pppconfig are THE supported debian ways of doing things |
| 23:56.47 | hacim | bob2: it doesn't make sense to make a separate jail for each user though |
| 23:56.58 | exobyte | LSorensen: doesn't gkdial use THE debian way? |
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| 23:57.25 | londonboi | Does no-one have any ideas atall? |
| 23:57.28 | nikal | I'm fairly certain unstable is compiled with gcc 3.x but, has testing been switched to using that as well? |
| 23:57.38 | LSorensen | exobyte: it claims to be able to dial those |
| 23:57.46 | exobyte | LSorensen: brb |
| 23:57.49 | cafuego | !info gcc sarge |
| 23:57.56 | nikal | thanx cafuego |
| 23:58.03 | nikal | !info gcc sarge |
| 23:58.16 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 23:58.31 | cafuego | Hmm, we had a mirc retard as well again this morning huh? |
| 23:58.58 | madness | cafuego: you mean about wine ? |
| 23:59.10 | londonboi | well thanks for your help |
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| 23:59.15 | cafuego | madness: No, DCC exploit |
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| 23:59.30 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 23:59.37 | cafuego | "[06:11] DCC SEND from PERPAK [0.0.0.0 port 0]: "x x x x x x x...." |
| 23:59.45 | madness | cafuego: oh yeah - noticed that. |
| 23:59.56 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh we did |
