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| 00:00.29 | bino | somiaj: easy to do? |
| 00:00.30 | nvz | nvz: Debian kernel-source is more like a tin roof sundae |
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| 00:01.01 | dondelelcaro | OT: is it københavn or hävn? |
| 00:01.25 | qtio | pattieja what would patching it against the new kernel do? |
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| 00:02.20 | nvz | Its like Vanilla with fudge swirls and chocolate coverd peanuts |
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| 00:02.33 | asg | nvz: nah, that's the copper roof |
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| 00:03.22 | nvz | asg: and to think I resisted comment whe you said that cyrus tools are ugly |
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| 00:03.34 | somiaj | bino: I had no troubles, the only diffcult part was configuring the varrious aps I use to use the second card. |
| 00:03.35 | asg | nvz: bah, they are :) |
| 00:03.54 | troubled | dondelelcaro: you there? |
| 00:04.00 | nvz | asg: I was going to say thats what I heard about you, but then again I dont care what simonrvn thinks |
| 00:04.03 | g4lt | qtio it depends on who made the tin roofing, I'd suppose ;P |
| 00:04.04 | bino | somiaj: ok thanx :) |
| 00:04.05 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yersh |
| 00:04.07 | asg | nvz: haha |
| 00:04.10 | dondelelcaro | troubled: well, sort of, anyway... |
| 00:04.20 | asg | nvz: I look like an older backstreet boy :p |
| 00:04.31 | asg | nvz: but more punky, with a sneer |
| 00:05.08 | troubled | dondelelcaro: well, turns out the dchp issue was the cable modem being stubborn. wouldnt give all 3 machines ips all of a sudden. Guess the dell just happened to be caught cause it was the next to reboot. But 2.6.1rc3 still wouldnt boot. Kept hanging on starting syslogd in sarge. Anything Im forgetting to upgrade that you may have ran into? |
| 00:05.31 | troubled | dondelelcaro: Im pretty sure I compiled everything that should have been into the kernel and i install the module-init-tools package as well |
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| 00:07.37 | dondelelcaro | troubled: I haven't used 2.6.X at all yet... |
| 00:07.48 | dondelelcaro | troubled: sort of holding off since I don't have machines to test on right now... |
| 00:08.18 | asg | dondelelcaro: not even to patch the latest local root exploits? |
| 00:08.38 | dondelelcaro | asg: oh, I did that, I mean downtime due to 2.6 being buggy... |
| 00:08.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: ah, okay |
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| 00:09.25 | nvz | well I am only running a desktop, but I havent had one problem yet with 2.6 |
| 00:09.28 | g4lt | dondelelcaro if you can't afford the easieest thing in the universe to obtain, you DEFINITELY need a raise ;P |
| 00:09.31 | baz | dondelelcaro: I found it remarkably painless |
| 00:09.32 | eeyore- | has anyone seen "netstat -pa" not printing the process name correctly? (as root). i see this, "ESTABLISHED18736/0" where it should be "ESTABLISHED18736/ssh" (it's probably parsing something wrong, because the process is "sshd ... pts/0" |
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| 00:09.47 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: I'm a grad student... we're even worse off than undergrads... ;-) |
| 00:09.53 | eeyore- | btw, is there any plan for including LZW in imagemagick since the patent expired in june/2003? |
| 00:10.07 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: I'm happy when I can pay my tuition and eat. |
| 00:10.10 | asg | eeyore-: ESTABLISHED5261/ssh (latest sid) |
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| 00:10.22 | twisterz | everytime i try to run the configure script on the gaim-0.74 source, i get the error: *** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.3.1, but GLIB (2.0.1) was found! |
| 00:10.27 | twisterz | any ideas? |
| 00:10.48 | dondelelcaro | baz: yeah, probably... I just have bad memories of 2.4. I'll switch to 2.6 eventually, but probably not untill it hits double digits or has been around for 6 months... |
| 00:10.54 | troubled | dondelelcaro: same here, thats why i put it on a secondary machine :) |
| 00:10.57 | somiaj | twisterz: are you running testing/unstable |
| 00:11.14 | twisterz | somiaj : what do u mean? |
| 00:11.29 | somiaj | twisterz: the version of debian, stable/testing/unstable |
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| 00:11.54 | g4lt | eeyore- it didn't totally expire, it just expired in the US |
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| 00:12.05 | baz | dondelelcaro: understood. if this was a production box I'd probably do likewise :) |
| 00:12.09 | twisterz | somiaj: i dont remember..is there a quick command to check it? |
| 00:12.25 | asg | twisterz: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:13.01 | twisterz | somiaj: 3.0 |
| 00:14.16 | nvz | !find /etc/debian_version |
| 00:14.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/debian_version' returned no results. |
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| 00:14.35 | nvz | what provides/creates that file? |
| 00:14.40 | dondelelcaro | nvz: base-files |
| 00:14.46 | dondelelcaro | !find etc/debian_version |
| 00:14.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/debian_version' (1 shown): (/etc/debian_version) in base/base-files. |
| 00:15.35 | nvz | I have always asked libc6 version, as most any distro mixing or anything will pull a new libc6 but since I didnt know how that debian_version file worked, I wasnt sure if it would always be accurate |
| 00:15.54 | somiaj | twisterz: that is stable, you may want to try /msg dpkg simple backport and backport the source from sid (unstable) |
| 00:15.56 | dopje | uname -a ? |
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| 00:16.06 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's usually accurate, but it depends what you're looking for, frankly... |
| 00:16.26 | asg | nvz: well, anyone with root could 'echo 9.0 > /etc/debian_version' so it's not that accurate :) |
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| 00:17.00 | nvz | asg: yeah I never even thought of that.. I think I am going to stick with my method of determining which distro is installed |
| 00:17.06 | twisterz | somiaj : dpkg doesnt understand that commund |
| 00:17.07 | twisterz | command* |
| 00:17.26 | asg | nvz: probably better; most people who don't know, however, don't even know about debian_version so it is also a safe bet |
| 00:17.34 | somiaj | and both sarge and sid both put testing/unstable there so its kinda general as well. |
| 00:17.51 | nvz | yeah I did notice that |
| 00:17.56 | eeyore- | g4lt: true, true, i just checked the Unisys webpage on that |
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| 00:18.14 | eeyore- | g4lt: Seems rest the expiration dates are in 2004, on or around June |
| 00:18.21 | somiaj | hmm, can someone tell twisterz the factiod for 'simple backport' I think I'm not rembering it correctly. |
| 00:18.24 | dondelelcaro | nvz: why do you care which distro is installed? |
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| 00:18.37 | asg | !tell twisterz simple sid backport |
| 00:18.52 | asg | twisterz: /msg dpkg simple sid backprot |
| 00:18.57 | twisterz | kk |
| 00:18.57 | asg | s/prot/port/ |
| 00:19.01 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it might be better to test directly for whatever you need... |
| 00:19.09 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well if someone asks a question it can occationally have a different answer depending on what distro they have installed |
| 00:19.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh, that's what you're looking for... |
| 00:19.23 | twisterz | whats 'sid'? |
| 00:19.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell twisterz about sid |
| 00:19.28 | asg | !+sid |
| 00:19.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, as it can break horribly, and probably will sometime while you're using it. |
| 00:20.10 | somiaj | sid breaks things! |
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| 00:20.24 | asg | dpkg, sid is also ask me about sid faq |
| 00:20.24 | twisterz | where might i find it? (it being 'a deb-src line for sid') |
| 00:20.25 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 00:20.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that's an easy way... debian is pretty easy to test for by looking at /var/lib/dpkg/ too... |
| 00:21.04 | eeyore- | anyone know how to tell squid to bind its (dns?) port to specific address? (udp 1.2.3.4:32773 is what i'm looking for) |
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| 00:21.20 | eeyore- | that's (0.0.0.0:32773) is the last UDP port i want to close on the firewall |
| 00:21.32 | nvz | Sid hasnt broken horribly in a while.. the last bad thing I can remember is Lilo has been broken quite a few times.. and of course those Desktop environments break all the time, but I dont use them |
| 00:21.48 | qtio | is there any benefit of a vanilla kernel over a debian src kernel? |
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| 00:22.22 | somiaj | twisterz: deb-src ftp://<debian mirror>/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 00:22.29 | eeyore- | nobody's talking to me today. am i asking really strange questions or what? :-D |
| 00:22.54 | somiaj | eeyore-: squids are just slimy and no one wants to touch it. |
| 00:23.16 | Fyre610 | eeyore: #squid |
| 00:23.18 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well I was speaking of determining Stable, Testing, or Unstable, not so much testing for Debian.. as we have been discussing Testing and Unstable say the same thing in /etc/debian_version, but dpkg -l libc6, will usually acuratly determine which one it is |
| 00:23.56 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that's generally the best way is to check libc6... course, you can ask for any commonly adjusted package, and find it too... |
| 00:24.01 | lucas | i'm having a problem with dpkg, 'dpkg error processing /path/to/libxslt1_1.1.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libexslt.so.0', which is also in package libxslt1.1' --- anyone? |
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| 00:24.05 | somiaj | qtio: afaik the benfit is using the debian kernels because there have been patches added to them to make them work with kernel-package better and be more debian specific. |
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| 00:24.30 | somiaj | lucas: have you checked the bts yet? |
| 00:24.55 | eeyore- | hmph, time to read the source |
| 00:25.05 | lucas | somiaj, no, i'll check... |
| 00:25.13 | HiRoMa | how do I delete a pkg? |
| 00:25.19 | Evaso | hi, there is a packaged version of discover2? |
| 00:25.19 | HiRoMa | and installed one that is |
| 00:25.34 | somiaj | HiRoMa: apt-get remove <pkg> |
| 00:25.47 | nvz | HiRoMa: apt-get --purge remove if you want to remove config files as well |
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| 00:25.57 | lucas | somiaj, it's not on bugs.debian.org |
| 00:25.59 | somiaj | !tell Evaso about search |
| 00:26.05 | HiRoMa | somiaj, and what does apt-get delete do? |
| 00:26.20 | nvz | HiRoMa: man apt-get, for details |
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| 00:26.27 | eeyore- | hmm, odd. this is frigging weird |
| 00:26.40 | nvz | HiRoMa: apt-get delete is E: invalid operation |
| 00:26.55 | CerXo | can anyone tell me the command to copy directories on Debian. |
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| 00:27.06 | nvz | CerXo: cp |
| 00:27.10 | somiaj | lucas: well the packages libxslt1 and libxslt1.1 are conflicting, so it looks like you'll have to remove one or the other. |
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| 00:27.31 | nvz | CerXo: I normally use mv whenever possible as I dont like cp |
| 00:27.35 | lucas | somiaj, righto... i think a lot of stuff depends on those though |
| 00:27.36 | CerXo | nvz: well when I do that for a directory it says omitting directory. |
| 00:27.39 | lucas | somiaj, thanks |
| 00:27.52 | asg | CerXo: cp -r |
| 00:27.56 | CerXo | nvz: well I don't really wanna move the directory |
| 00:27.59 | CerXo | asg: thanks |
| 00:28.03 | somiaj | lucas: if both are needed to be on your machine then its a bug that they don't get along and should be reported. |
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| 00:28.18 | asg | CerXo: you're welcome |
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| 00:28.22 | somiaj | CerXo: cp -a will preserve ownership stuff as well. |
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| 00:28.25 | lucas | hmm, i'll check bts for libxslt1.1 |
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| 00:28.36 | treestone | CerXo: To make an exact copy of one directory to another use cp -prd src dst (or -prdv to see what it's doing) |
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| 00:28.47 | lucas | somiaj, no reports for libxslt1.1 |
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| 00:29.08 | CerXo | awesome everyone is a big help thanks |
| 00:29.51 | somiaj | lucas: yea it looks like the conflict, I don't know if one should provide the other or if they should live to gether nicely...what package were you installing that brought that lib in the first place? maybe check that one out. |
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| 00:30.24 | lucas | somiaj, it slipped by me during a dist-upgrade :P |
| 00:30.59 | lucas | somiaj, if i try to remove either of those packages via 'apt-get remove' it just tells me i have unmet dependencies to resolve first... |
| 00:31.04 | twisterz | somiaj: alrite, but how do i build the source of gaim now? |
| 00:31.05 | Evaso | how i can polish modules.conf? |
| 00:31.07 | DragonHrt | If a person is a debian newbie and he wants to see what packages there are for apt-get is there a way to see what packages debian has besides the site that is down? |
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| 00:31.16 | Evaso | and regenerate it from discover |
| 00:31.24 | somiaj | twisterz: follows dpkg's instructions... |
| 00:31.25 | twisterz | somiaj: i cant use a .deb package because i want to add the gaim-encryption plug-in.. |
| 00:31.30 | asg | DragonHrt: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 00:31.42 | DragonHrt | cool thank you asg |
| 00:31.45 | asg | DragonHrt: you're welcome |
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| 00:31.53 | somiaj | twisterz: hmm, I'd be surprised if that wasn't included in the deb package... |
| 00:31.54 | twisterz | im not building a debian package tho, i need to compile the source.. |
| 00:32.00 | twisterz | it wasnt :( |
| 00:32.12 | Gathond | twisterz: in a related package maybe ? |
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| 00:33.31 | somiaj | lucas: I'm wondering what the difference of the file its trying to over write is, for you could --force and have it just over write that file (though I'm unsure what problems it may cause) |
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| 00:34.13 | lucas | somiaj, yeah i could try, i don't think it will break anything i use... |
| 00:34.30 | milo | Hi, I have problem with my machine, for most of commands write "Input/Output error" ..but some commands works. I need to reboot machine remotely, is possible with root access do any "hard restart" ? i.e. something write into /proc/?? hmm ? |
| 00:34.45 | eeyore- | yes! |
| 00:34.50 | somiaj | lucas: either way I would report that as a bug for it may be easy to reproduce if you give them the version of those two packages. |
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| 00:35.13 | lucas | somiaj, i've never reported a bug before, is it difficult? |
| 00:35.15 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #226841 |
| 00:35.19 | dpkg | #226841:W[wnpp] ITP: elmo -- Text-based mailreader supporting SMTP, and POP3. |
| 00:35.25 | eeyore- | i've succeeded in telling squid to quit binding to INADDR_ANY :-D |
| 00:35.39 | somiaj | lucas: nope, check out bugs.debian.org they give you the format they want the email |
| 00:35.49 | somiaj | eeyore-: was it slimy? |
| 00:35.58 | asg | lucas: or use 'reportbug' (apt-get install reportbug) |
| 00:36.02 | eeyore- | somiaj: nah, udp_incoming_address= |
| 00:36.21 | lucas | somiaj, asg, ok thanks guys |
| 00:36.22 | somiaj | eeyore-: yup, I love config optoins, I hate finding the syntax...(: |
| 00:36.23 | eeyore- | somiaj: had to look at the source code, though |
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| 00:37.18 | simonrvn | elmo? too cute :) |
| 00:37.24 | eeyore- | i like this much better, minimal open ports, transparent proxy ... |
| 00:37.26 | exobyte | how can I determine the size of a directory? |
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| 00:37.43 | somiaj | exobyte: du -h (read the man file on du too) |
| 00:37.47 | asg | simonrvn: unless it is a hacked elmo at which point, it might tell you to get stuffed :) |
| 00:37.49 | eeyore- | simonrvn: elmo? |
| 00:38.06 | simonrvn | asg: you know what elmo says ;) |
| 00:38.12 | simonrvn | STFU! |
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| 00:39.00 | troubled | simonrvn: you tried 2.6 yet? |
| 00:39.18 | troubled | simonrvn: had a remote machine hanging on starting syslogd on sarge/2.6.1rc3 |
| 00:39.20 | Althalus | Guys, i've got a question - if i do an update then upgrade from stable to testing - is it likely to break? |
| 00:39.42 | troubled | simonrvn: was wondering if ya had any insight. Had to tell what was going on here since I couldnt see the screen though ehhe |
| 00:40.05 | exobyte | I was doing scp -r, but the one system (actually, the one with putty open) crashed. How can I resume the copy in a "smart" manner where only files that differ in size get overwritten? |
| 00:40.07 | somiaj | Althalus: over all it won't break, but some things might and need to be fixed. |
| 00:40.48 | Justin_ | exobyte: rsync |
| 00:41.08 | exobyte | Justin_: let me guess, rtfm |
| 00:41.10 | Althalus | somiaj - like, as i'm about to do a dist-upgrade :P |
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| 00:41.45 | Justin_ | exobyte: no, whine here until someone tells you what to type. |
| 00:42.01 | somiaj | Althalus: it won't hose your system so it will be fixable, but somethings may not upgrade as you expect them too and need reconfiguring. |
| 00:42.02 | exobyte | Justin_: how do I use rsync? |
| 00:42.09 | Cire | for item in `find *.jpg -type f` |
| 00:42.19 | Cire | argument list too long ^^ |
| 00:42.32 | Althalus | somiaj but, it should boot so i can fix them yes - not a big issue - but i'm a lazy git :P |
| 00:42.36 | Cire | any idea how to solve this with xargs or so? |
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| 00:42.41 | caphuso | Cire: hint: you want -name |
| 00:42.53 | somiaj | Althalus: yea it shouldn't hose your system completly... |
| 00:42.56 | caphuso | Cire: you don't. you learn how to use find properly |
| 00:42.58 | ljlane | Cire: find . -name \*.jpg |
| 00:42.58 | milo | is possible when I have root access something write to /proc (or something other) but not with "init shudown reboot poweroff" reboot||shutdown the machine ? |
| 00:43.09 | Cire | mom |
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| 00:43.21 | Althalus | ok, there isn't anything TOO critical - and what is has been backed up to DVD :) |
| 00:43.47 | simonrvn | troubled: running on 2.6 now |
| 00:43.52 | ljlane | milo, try rephrasing the question for the channel |
| 00:43.58 | simonrvn | on a* |
| 00:44.00 | somiaj | Althalus: just make sure you are quite familar with dpkg, apt, aptitude and such before you upgrade and have some idea how debian manages things. |
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| 00:44.20 | Cire | caphuso: now it works. What did find *.jpg do? |
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| 00:44.38 | Althalus | somiaj i am fairly :) |
| 00:44.46 | troubled | simonrvn: ever have it stall on starting syslog? Ill have to wait I guess until I go over there to see wtf happened. but curious if theres any popular problems like that |
| 00:45.08 | somiaj | Althalus: also learn to use the bts (bug tracking system), read docs /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> and you should be fine. |
| 00:45.10 | nvz | sounds like he wants to give root access, but not allow shutdown |
| 00:45.36 | nvz | which means he needs to become a deciple of sudo |
| 00:45.38 | Nosf3ratu | Is there something wrong with imwheel in unstable? I can't use my side buttons any more. |
| 00:46.11 | caphuso | Cire: your shell expanded the "*.jpg" so that your real command line was "find porn1.jpg porn2.jpg porn3.jpg ... porn45345345.jpg", which was too long |
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| 00:46.39 | Cire | and what does it now? |
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| 00:46.49 | Cire | ahh, got it. |
| 00:46.50 | simonrvn | troubled: could be mem issues, or could be preempt, or .. i had a problem with that, it would stop whenever it hit a certain level of swap. or something. no no insights :/ |
| 00:46.53 | Cire | no answer needed |
| 00:46.56 | Cire | thanks |
| 00:47.02 | milo | I have probably problem with fs, for some commands it write "Input/output error" but some commands works. Also I can't nothing copy to machine,because it always fails (scp,ftp,samba) and on "machine" I can't use commands like "ftp,lynx..". Everything what I want is in any way "hardly" reboot machine (but I don't know how- thant's the my ask) and before this I'll create /forcefsck. |
| 00:47.32 | simonrvn | sounds like a fucked up libc |
| 00:47.34 | Cire | now *.jpg is just a text arg for find |
| 00:48.04 | milo | simonrvn: that was for me ? |
| 00:48.14 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 00:48.49 | Cire | how long does it take usually to rename 40000 files with "for item in 'find..." ? |
| 00:49.00 | troubled | simonrvn: well, I did enable preempt on that one. Ill have to check into that next time im at the machine. but at least sarge is running smoothly |
| 00:49.02 | Cire | (athlon 700, 7200 rpm HD) |
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| 00:49.34 | Gathond | Cire: alot longer than using xargs |
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| 00:49.58 | cafuego | Cire: Depends on cpu and drive speed |
| 00:49.59 | Cire | is sending 5 lines flooding? |
| 00:50.03 | cafuego | Cire: yes |
| 00:50.04 | ljlane | one, two, three, *crunch* three licks |
| 00:50.11 | milo | simonrvn: what I know, nothing was changed, only this night has started |
| 00:50.12 | simonrvn | troubled: good. but yeh, i disabled preempt, and it behaved a lot better. with the anticipatory scheduler, you hardly need preempt (imo anyway) |
| 00:50.19 | Cire | hmm. |
| 00:50.31 | Nosf3ratu | So no one else uses side-buttons on their mouse? |
| 00:50.32 | LSorensen | Cire: if the for item in is a command line, it won't accept 40000 items anyhow |
| 00:50.35 | simonrvn | milo: file corruption? |
| 00:50.41 | milo | simonrvn: to this time was everything going well.. |
| 00:50.42 | jeanmi | I just installed samba, without changing the smb.conf, a share directory is available with anonymous login and I can't find anything in smb.conf related to it .... |
| 00:50.53 | LSorensen | Cire: find with -exec could do it, but find |xargs can do it much faster' |
| 00:50.55 | Justin_ | !tell Nosf3ratu about bts |
| 00:51.03 | troubled | simonrvn: probably right. Only reason I enabled it was if I put X on that box in the near future. But i suppose its worth checking into, ty for tidbit |
| 00:51.03 | Nosf3ratu | yah, there's nothing in the bts. |
| 00:51.14 | milo | simonrvn: probably any problem with fs..so I want to do reboot with fsck..but I can't reboot machine :( |
| 00:51.14 | Justin_ | Nosf3ratu: so stop whining and file a bug |
| 00:51.21 | Cire | okay, I'll have a look at my script (changing to xargs) |
| 00:51.29 | exobyte | Justin_: I'm trying rsync, but it seems to actually copy some of the files that should be the same |
| 00:51.43 | Justin_ | exobyte: man rsync |
| 00:51.47 | simonrvn | troubled: i have x here. i haven't seen a need for it. preempt or none, you still have to change the nice level in 2.6 for x (to 0) |
| 00:52.01 | LSorensen | Cire: find returns a list of filenames, which you pipe to xargs. |
| 00:52.04 | Cire | problem is, the files shall be renamed to file_xxxx.jpg while xxxx is an increasing number |
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| 00:52.13 | milo | simonrvn: but I can't reboot :( also I've tried to use "reboot exploit" for do_brk, but I can't upload exploit's binary to machine :-( |
| 00:52.20 | qtio | Im trying to compile a 2.4.22 kernel with IPSEC support, and according to the documentation i should see the options in networking options of make menuconfig but nothing is there. Am i missing something? |
| 00:52.22 | romulo | theres any interface-program to open and extract ace files!?? |
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| 00:52.35 | LSorensen | Cire: hmm, that sure does make life trickier. |
| 00:52.36 | g4lt | Kawfee I thought he was on the wrong side of partition day... |
| 00:52.38 | somiaj | simonrvn: any reason why you should change the nice lvl of x to 0 in 2.6? |
| 00:52.45 | Kawfee | g4lt, ? |
| 00:52.47 | chacal | romulo a brazilian |
| 00:52.51 | chacal | :p |
| 00:52.52 | troubled | Kawfee: you zoof |
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| 00:53.00 | Kawfee | troubled, you fooz |
| 00:53.04 | Covener | somiaj: the scheduler does a better job on it's own w/out the "help" |
| 00:53.05 | LSorensen | Cire: still can't do a for loop that large. I think bash has a command limit of 32000 chars |
| 00:53.05 | simonrvn | somiaj: the scheduler |
| 00:53.23 | Cire | for item in `find . -name \*.jpg -type f` (this works for me) |
| 00:53.27 | Covener | somiaj: as in X vs. xmms |
| 00:53.43 | troubled | :) |
| 00:53.44 | LSorensen | Cire: yes, as long as the response total of fine is under 32000 chars |
| 00:53.44 | romulo | how i make one .ace file extract and create his own directories?! |
| 00:53.58 | The_Vulture | romulo: unace perhaps? |
| 00:54.03 | Cire | ls | wc -l returns 44562 files |
| 00:54.27 | LSorensen | Cire: so take a guess at the average filename length. sounds like more than 32000 chars to me |
| 00:54.30 | romulo | The_Vulture unace dont create the directories here....it says disk write protected, but even on root it doenst extract |
| 00:54.42 | gratuit | whats's the library name and location I should use for a program in which I used a function included with #include "X11/Xlib.h"? |
| 00:54.43 | b0ef | I suddenly got a corruption on /dev/hdd1. I made backups of what I had there and did a fsck, but it worked bad. I then repartitioned the drive and make a new ext2 filesystem on it. Now I can't mount it and running e2fsck on it gives "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdd1". Is there anything else I can do? |
| 00:54.45 | exobyte | Justin_: the -c option _slows_ things down!? |
| 00:55.04 | VChriZZnb | how do i know what commands i have when i install "bridge-utils" ??? i even cant find a manpage |
| 00:55.08 | LSorensen | b0ef: did you reboot after repartitioning? |
| 00:55.14 | caphuso | VChriZZnb: dpkg -L brigde-utils |
| 00:55.15 | Cire | every file has a length of 28 chars |
| 00:55.17 | The_Vulture | romulo: can you create directories yourself in the same place> |
| 00:55.19 | b0ef | no, why should I |
| 00:55.21 | VChriZZnb | thc |
| 00:55.22 | VChriZZnb | thx |
| 00:55.23 | VChriZZnb | :) |
| 00:55.25 | The_Vulture | the disk could be mounted read only *shrugs* |
| 00:55.29 | Cire | but the script works... |
| 00:55.29 | simonrvn | milo: dunno, since it's a remote box. if you can, i'd try to do this locally... i'd suggest a few things, but you need to boot single user, or go single user, and you'll lose your connection to it because of that |
| 00:55.36 | LSorensen | b0ef: partition changes only take effect on reboot unless the disk is not in use at all |
| 00:55.36 | romulo | The_Vulture course |
| 00:55.55 | b0ef | well, yeah, the hd is not in use at all |
| 00:55.55 | romulo | i can do whatever i want in directory. |
| 00:56.05 | LSorensen | b0ef: no other partitions were mounted on hdd? |
| 00:56.09 | b0ef | no |
| 00:56.18 | b0ef | I repartitioned the whole drive |
| 00:56.20 | LSorensen | b0ef: then I guess it should have worked. Is the HD ok? |
| 00:56.23 | b0ef | only one filesystem |
| 00:56.34 | b0ef | no, it don't seem ok |
| 00:56.35 | b0ef | ;) |
| 00:56.40 | b0ef | apparently |
| 00:57.13 | LSorensen | b0ef: well if it has physical errors then that would be a problem. A simple test would be to run badblocks on it, or to run dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/null bs=100k |
| 00:58.35 | LSorensen | Cire: Perhaps using find to write the filelist to a file and then using perl to process the list of files and create the names would be best |
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| 00:59.11 | b0ef | dd: reading `/dev/hdd1': Input/output error |
| 00:59.15 | b0ef | ;) |
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| 00:59.27 | b0ef | so much I know, but is there no hope for this hd |
| 00:59.31 | rnc | is anyone aware of a cmd line app to compare 2 dirs ? i mean, one telling me that file A is on dirA but not dirB, when i compare these 2 dirs |
| 00:59.32 | LSorensen | b0ef: that sure sounds bad. So either the HD is bad or the cable is bad (or the HD controller, but that's less likely) |
| 00:59.41 | LSorensen | rnc: diff can do that |
| 00:59.48 | b0ef | damn, I can't even kill -9 dd |
| 00:59.53 | SuperPhly | anyone know how to address this problem: group 3125's inode bitmap at 102400000 conflicts with some other fs block |
| 00:59.55 | somiaj | so where do I set the nice lvl for X? |
| 01:00.01 | rnc | LSorensen: i'll check for an option on it to only say: File differs or something |
| 01:00.08 | LSorensen | b0ef: it will die when it's done the current block |
| 01:00.14 | Covener | somiaj: top |
| 01:00.19 | b0ef | yeah, I figured that;) |
| 01:00.22 | rnc | because im looking for missing files, and not different files |
| 01:00.25 | LSorensen | rnc: --brief I think |
| 01:00.29 | b0ef | but can't I kill it? |
| 01:00.29 | rnc | ok, thanks ): |
| 01:00.33 | ercin | how must i use --force-<thing> with dpkg ? |
| 01:00.35 | rnc | * :) |
| 01:00.36 | b0ef | ok, nice it got killed |
| 01:00.43 | LSorensen | b0ef: it will die soon. 100k isn't that much (only 200 sectors) |
| 01:00.45 | Covener | anyone had any problems w/ profile showing up blank in gaim? |
| 01:00.46 | cafuego | Hmmm. |
| 01:00.47 | tapioca | on 2.6.0 kernel wich options Need I to install the cd-record? |
| 01:00.52 | ercin | like # dpkg -i blah.deb --force-overwrite ? |
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| 01:01.04 | b0ef | ok, back to the shop, the hd goes,) |
| 01:01.07 | Covener | tapioca: ide cd? |
| 01:01.07 | LSorensen | ercin: generally you REALLY dont want to |
| 01:01.17 | ercin | LSorensen, i must to |
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| 01:01.31 | ercin | and i know that the cnficting files are the same |
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| 01:01.32 | det | Can somebody here recomend good imapd/pop3d daemons? |
| 01:01.43 | cafuego | HAHA |
| 01:01.54 | milo | det: imho courier |
| 01:01.57 | LSorensen | det: I like courier but I use Maildir format for my mailboxes |
| 01:02.26 | cafuego | tapioca: Normally ide cd is enough, but depedning on software you may want ide-scsi, scsi generic and scsic drom as well |
| 01:02.29 | det | doesnt corier use it's own mailbox format ? |
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| 01:02.37 | milo | so, anybody has idea how to reboot machine without commands init,reboot,shutdown,poweroff ? |
| 01:02.38 | LSorensen | ercin: well something like dpkg -i --force-overwrite package.deb should do it, but I really recomend figuring out why they conflict instead and fixing that |
| 01:02.44 | cafuego | det: I like cyrus (which uses its own format) |
| 01:02.47 | LSorensen | det: not it's own, just Maildir instead of mbox |
| 01:02.50 | Gathond | LSorensen: courier does use Maildir ... at least the one i uses :) |
| 01:02.51 | Covener | milo: acpi or apm? |
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| 01:03.02 | det | I must be thinking of cyrus :) |
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| 01:03.08 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: apt-cache show courier-imap |
| 01:03.13 | The_Vulture | seems to say quite clearly that it uses imap |
| 01:03.19 | ercin | LSorensen, xlibs is installed and kde cvs deb needs to libxv1 installed |
| 01:03.20 | Nion | How can I check to see if my ssh daemon is running? |
| 01:03.22 | det | how easy is it to do mailing list spliting using courier, currently I am using procmail |
| 01:03.23 | Covener | milo: no compilers either? or uploading binaries? |
| 01:03.24 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: I know it uses Maildir |
| 01:03.26 | somiaj | Covener: will those changes take affect next time I reboot? |
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| 01:03.34 | milo | Covener: also without this commands, also no upload :( |
| 01:03.42 | det | is procmail incompatible with courier ? |
| 01:03.53 | LSorensen | det: no. procmail supports Maildir fine |
| 01:03.54 | exobyte | I've read a little on rsync, but I haven't figured out how to get it to only copy files that need to be copied, not everything |
| 01:03.57 | Gathond | det: no |
| 01:03.58 | b0ef | Nion: netstat -ltn or ps -e|grep <sshd> |
| 01:03.59 | Covener | milo: editor and compiler? |
| 01:04.05 | milo | Covener: no compilation possible :( I have do_brk rebot exploit, but I can't upload :( |
| 01:04.09 | Covener | somiaj: I don't remember what I suggested ro you |
| 01:04.11 | LSorensen | det: just needs a '/' at the end of the folder names to indicate Maildir instead of mbox |
| 01:04.30 | The_Vulture | 12:00 < LSorensen> det: I like courier but I use Maildir format for my mailboxes |
| 01:04.32 | milo | Covener: editor yes, compiler no :( |
| 01:04.33 | alexiii | (SID) I suddenly realized my swedish characters were lost in gnome-terminal (or any terminal at all), but they do work in x-chat and licq, the character settings i'm aware of are only loadkeys, and even loadkeys se-latin1 doesn't help, what am I missing? |
| 01:04.39 | The_Vulture | you said you used maildir, courier uses maildir, where's the problem? |
| 01:04.39 | somiaj | Covener: using top to set the nice lvl for X...seems that it only affects the runing X to me. |
| 01:04.41 | b0ef | Nion: or offcourse, to see if it's working, connect to it |
| 01:04.44 | LSorensen | det: I run exim using Maildir format and use courier-imap and such and procmail |
| 01:04.45 | Nion | b0ef: Returned nothing. |
| 01:04.53 | Nion | It should have started when I booted the computer. |
| 01:05.00 | b0ef | then it's not listening |
| 01:05.01 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: none for me. Might be a problem for the person asking for imap server recomendations |
| 01:05.07 | det | LSorensen: exim4 or 3 ? |
| 01:05.09 | Covener | somiaj: top to see it, renice to set it. dpkg-reconfigure to set it permanemtly or edi Xwapper.config |
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| 01:05.22 | b0ef | Nion: what sshd is it? |
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| 01:05.26 | noS0BrhT | I'm setting up a mail server. I'm planning to use Qmail. Will I be OK with just a swap partiontion of 1GB, a "/" of 7GB and the balance of a 40GB disk partition to /home? |
| 01:05.26 | LSorensen | det: I haven't set up exim4 yet. I imagine it will be the same as it was in 3 |
| 01:05.31 | Nion | b0ef: Not sure. |
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| 01:05.39 | somiaj | Covener: ahh its in Xwrapper.config (I ddin't recall seing the optoin to set nice lvl in dpkg-reconfigure) thanks a lot. |
| 01:05.41 | Covener | somiaj: I thought you asked to see it, you might have asked 'set' though |
| 01:05.45 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: yuck. non dfsg software. What a pain |
| 01:05.50 | Covener | somiaj: np |
| 01:05.51 | milo | Covener: so, noidea ? |
| 01:06.02 | Nion | b0ef: Not familiar with running the daemon. All I know is that it usually starts when I boot the computer. But now it didn't. |
| 01:06.07 | Covener | milo: why so restricted? |
| 01:06.21 | det | LSorensen: can you combine maildir and procmail? have a mailing list be it's own maildir ? |
| 01:06.26 | b0ef | Nion: how do you know it usually start when you don't know the name of it? |
| 01:06.29 | LSorensen | det: yeah I do that. |
| 01:06.35 | somiaj | Covener: I asked set and then read the man page for top to see I could set it with top, though I didn't think it was a perment solution..(: |
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| 01:06.46 | noS0BrhT | LSorensen; dfsg? |
| 01:06.51 | LSorensen | det: I have $HOME/Maildir/ and then $HOME/Maildir/mailinglist/ |
| 01:06.59 | LSorensen | bos: debian free software guidelines |
| 01:07.04 | LSorensen | er noS0BrhT |
| 01:07.13 | det | LSorensen: how can you instruct procmail to deliver to a maildir ? |
| 01:07.17 | jack|w | I have a zip disk which has a corrupted file system. Can anyone recommend a way to recover what's on it? |
| 01:07.28 | det | instead of mbox format |
| 01:07.33 | LSorensen | det: tell it to deliver to $HOME/Maildir/maillist/ rather than $HOME/Maildir/maillist |
| 01:07.46 | LSorensen | det: assuming you created the maillist dir using maildirmake |
| 01:07.53 | Gathond | det: considered reading the manual for postfix ? |
| 01:07.58 | det | ohh.. procmail has Maildir support built in ? |
| 01:08.01 | LSorensen | det: works fine with mutt |
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| 01:08.05 | LSorensen | det: yes it does |
| 01:08.06 | det | Gathond: I use exim |
| 01:08.14 | det | nice |
| 01:08.22 | Gathond | LSorensen: actually procmail would make the Maildir at first use |
| 01:08.23 | The_Vulture | and procmail hooks into exim seemlessly, and it all Just Works |
| 01:08.26 | LSorensen | det: I think it got support 2 or 3 years ago |
| 01:08.30 | milo | Covener: problem (probably) with fs, some commands works, some not (input/output errors it write), also doesn't works uploading, and commands like lynx,links,ftp, doesn't works too :( I have only remote root access, and everything what I want is create /forcefsck and reboot machine (but I don't know how :( (i.e. any "special operation" in proc ?:) |
| 01:08.31 | Gathond | det: sorry, should have been procmail :) |
| 01:08.36 | LSorensen | Gathond: it will? Even better |
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| 01:08.46 | Gathond | LSorensen: it does here :) |
| 01:08.52 | milo | !tell root about root |
| 01:08.54 | LSorensen | Gathond: I never assumed it would, so I made the dir myself |
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| 01:09.11 | somiaj | !tell root__ about root |
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| 01:09.16 | det | Gathond: I dont ask #debian questions very often, but when I do I ask ask ask ask until I wear out my welcome for a month or two :) |
| 01:09.34 | Gathond | LSorensen: i assumed it would and have never made anything but ~/Maildir myself :) |
| 01:09.47 | b0ef | Nion: fuser -n tcp 22 |
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| 01:09.54 | LSorensen | Gathond: I guess since it makes the mbox files itself it makes sense it can make a few dirs |
| 01:10.14 | Gathond | LSorensen: it probably uses maildirmake to do it though :) |
| 01:10.20 | Nion | b0ef: "You have new mail in /var/mail/nion" |
| 01:10.26 | Covener | milo: remotely? |
| 01:10.42 | milo | Covener: I have ssh access |
| 01:10.44 | b0ef | Nion: ? |
| 01:10.45 | LSorensen | Gathond: I doubt it |
| 01:10.49 | cafuego | milo: tune2fs -C 1 /dev/hdXY, then reboot. - sets the maxc mount count to 1, effectively forces an fsck - midn you, most likely someone will have to be at the remote end. |
| 01:10.53 | LSorensen | Gathond: making 4 dirs is pretty trivial code |
| 01:10.59 | Covener | milo: no scp? |
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| 01:11.02 | Gathond | LSorensen: correct |
| 01:11.07 | bluegate | i installed my debian unstable box with xfree4.2.1. Now when the debian box starts, i have like big scratches on my screen and i cant see nothing. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 01:11.10 | milo | Covener: it fails :( |
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| 01:11.20 | LSorensen | cafuego: shutdown -F forces fsck on next boot too |
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| 01:11.25 | Nion | b0ef: When I ran "fuser..." command, it said I have new mail. |
| 01:11.38 | b0ef | well, check your mail |
| 01:11.41 | cafuego | LSorensen: Does that marks the fs as unclean? |
| 01:11.47 | b0ef | just write mail |
| 01:11.55 | LSorensen | cafuego: no I think it creates a special file that forces fsck or something. |
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| 01:12.09 | noS0BrhT | LSorensen; ahh. It is just that I need a blow by blow detail intruction on seting up an MTA+MySQL+SASL+Courier-IMAP+Mailist+AntiVirus+WebMail. And I can't find a Dummie/Newbie proof HOWTO for Postfix/Debian. But I found one for QMail. |
| 01:12.17 | cafuego | LSorensen: Yes, except i/o is broken so that won't work. Otherwise he could touch /forcefsck |
| 01:12.21 | LSorensen | cafuego: creates /forcefsck |
| 01:12.32 | jasonmc | anyone having problems getting the nvidia glx extension to load in the latest xfree86 from unstable ? |
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| 01:12.50 | milo | Covener: if I could something upload, I've used do_brk rebot exploit, but I can't :( |
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| 01:13.03 | Gathond | noS0BrhT: the guides on postfix.org/docs are quite good ... compilation steps can be mostly ignored with debian |
| 01:13.06 | cafuego | milo: tune2fs -C 1 /dev/hdXY, then reboot. - sets the maxc mount count to 1, effectively forces an fsck - midn you, most likely someone will have to be at the remote end. |
| 01:13.25 | Nion | b0ef: I just want to start the darned daemon. /etc/init.d/ssh start returns some retarded error |
| 01:13.32 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: ah. I personally have done exim3 with Maildirs + courier-imap + clamav + mailscanner + spamassassin + squirrelmail and imp |
| 01:13.41 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: It's pretty straightforward, just make sure to create smtpd.conf in /usr/lib/sasl*/ |
| 01:13.51 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: courier has some DB enabled stuff too I believe |
| 01:13.53 | milo | cafuego: I know this, but I have problem to do reboot :( |
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| 01:14.13 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: I run postfix+cyrus+mysql+sasl+spamassassin just fine |
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| 01:14.18 | louissypher | anyone with experience with performance using /etc/passwd and pam_unix.so on a very large password file compared to ldap? |
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| 01:14.38 | fatal_ | LSorensen: I did that -clamav, -mailscanner, +mysql, +sanitizer.... :) |
| 01:14.44 | cafuego | louissypher: how large is large? |
| 01:14.52 | louissypher | cafuego, 100k users |
| 01:14.54 | LSorensen | louissypher: I have done passwd with 4000 users and that was fine. NIS on the other hand was not. Never tried LDAP |
| 01:15.02 | cafuego | louissypher: ldap would probably be faster |
| 01:15.06 | milo | louissypher: for 20000 is /etc/shadow relativelly smaller, ldap better |
| 01:15.16 | b0ef | Nion: well, you should probably talk to some debian guys. I don't run debian;) |
| 01:15.22 | cafuego | louissypher: it'll take a while to scan 100k lines of apsswords |
| 01:15.34 | noS0BrhT | cafuego; you are running what I want to install. How about the partitioning of a 40GB H/D. What is the recommendeation on an SMTP server. |
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| 01:15.36 | louissypher | cafuego, do you know anything about slurp? |
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| 01:15.40 | cafuego | louissypher: nope |
| 01:15.45 | Gathond | Nion: what error ? |
| 01:15.46 | Nion | b0ef: Well, I _am_ in #debian |
| 01:15.47 | cafuego | !info slurp |
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| 01:16.01 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: will mail be stored in the /home dirs or /var or elsewhere? |
| 01:16.08 | Chris_Work | Hey , is anyone here using LCDd and can give me advise |
| 01:16.15 | Nion | Gathond: I ran /etc/init.d/ssh start, and it said "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd." but it's still refusing connections on :22 |
| 01:16.23 | Gathond | Nion: some retarded error is about as informative at saying it wont work and then expect someone to magically guess the problem :) |
| 01:16.23 | b0ef | Nion: ok, what error;) |
| 01:16.32 | louissypher | cafuego, ahh, yea, I know about slurp, but I need to be able to use Oracle with slurp instead of Berkeley. slapd will work, but I can't figure out with slurp will. |
| 01:16.33 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: Depends on the number of users... since I don't have system users all mail is stored in /var/spool/cyrus ... and I have a 10Mb quota on each mailbox. |
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| 01:16.42 | LSorensen | Nion: does netstat -anp|grep 22 show sshd running on port 22? |
| 01:16.45 | milo | noS0Brh: it depends, if you'll have Maildir format (in home directory of users) or mbox in /var/mail/ (=> what must be larger, if /home or /var) |
| 01:16.46 | Gathond | Nion: so there is no retarted error ... it just does not work :) |
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| 01:16.59 | Gathond | Nion: no firewall in place ? |
| 01:16.59 | noS0BrhT | LSorensen; I'm not sure where to store it. I was thinking to got with whatever the MTA program defaults require. |
| 01:17.02 | LSorensen | Nion: do you have a firewall? |
| 01:17.03 | det | LSorensen: thanks for the help, changing procmail was incredibly easy |
| 01:17.05 | b0ef | LSorensen: he just did fuser -n tcp 22 and it didn't show anything |
| 01:17.14 | Nion | Gathond: It gave me an error before. I just tried it, then it worked. |
| 01:17.21 | LSorensen | b0ef: fuser never does what I want. netstat does |
| 01:17.37 | Nion | LSorensen: No firewall |
| 01:17.41 | milo | Covener: cafuego: so no ideas how to do reboot.. ? |
| 01:17.45 | b0ef | LSorensen: well, he also did netstat -ltn|grep 22 and still nothing;) |
| 01:17.49 | LSorensen | milo: reset button? |
| 01:17.52 | cafuego | milo: You don't have root access? |
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| 01:18.26 | milo | cafuego: uff, you didn't read my msgs before... I have root access, but problem to execute commads |
| 01:18.42 | cafuego | milo: I was in the bath before, so no. |
| 01:18.52 | LSorensen | milo: do you know what made it stop behaving? |
| 01:19.03 | milo | cafuego: heh, ok :) I'll write it again |
| 01:19.16 | milo | LSorensen: ? |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | milo: Get someone to hit the reset switch on the box. |
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| 01:19.29 | LSorensen | milo: if it won't execute commands, something must have caused that |
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| 01:19.49 | milo | cafuego: I can't, machine is server's room and nobody's there |
| 01:20.10 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: Personally i'd keep a separate partiton for mail and mount that whereever i decide to store the mail. |
| 01:20.15 | cafuego | milo: Then just wait. |
| 01:20.34 | scorpio | Hi all. Does anyone know a remedy for "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error? I was trying to do an apt-get update and well.... |
| 01:20.40 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: if the machine will only do mail, you probably want a mail storage partition, a log partition and a root partition (and swap too) |
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| 01:20.50 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: if you want mysql support I take it you'll have virtual mail accounts, so $HOME is not a problem. |
| 01:20.54 | LSorensen | scorpio: yeah there is a setting in apt.conf to fix that |
| 01:20.58 | kaplanfx | if I install the kernel-image-2.6.0-1 package, do I need to do anything special to get it to boot? |
| 01:21.03 | scorpio | LSorensen: Which one? |
| 01:21.04 | cafuego | !dynamic mmap |
| 01:21.08 | scorpio | K |
| 01:21.11 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 01:21.12 | Nion | LSorensen: Any idea? |
| 01:21.19 | milo | LSorensen: problem is probably with fs, and everything what I have is ssh with root access, but for many commands it write input/output error, and also uploading files doesn't works..only editor/viewer and some others commands works :( |
| 01:21.20 | cafuego | scorpio: enjoy |
| 01:21.29 | kaplanfx | er is there a readme for upgrading to the 2.6 kernel using kernel-image packages? |
| 01:21.45 | LSorensen | scorpio: something like: Cache-Limit 10000000; |
| 01:21.51 | LSorensen | scorpio: in /etc/apt/apt/conf |
| 01:21.56 | noS0BrhT | cafuego; I'm looking at http://webmail.techie.cc/postfix-toaster.htm. The setup is for SlackWare. But can my sparkling new debian follow the same instructions? |
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| 01:22.22 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: well if you use apt-get install postfix instead of whatever method they suggest |
| 01:22.31 | LSorensen | noS0BrhT: configuration should be similar |
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| 01:24.10 | noS0BrhT | LSorensen; I'm sticking to apt-get. |
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| 01:24.53 | scorpio | Crap |
| 01:25.07 | cafuego | noS0BrhT: You'll want http://www.delouw.ch/linux/postfix.phtml; but substitute cyrus with courier. There are a few ppl who have such a setup. |
| 01:25.25 | retroflash | Quick question. I just installed radeon drivers, but have no fbconfig. Any ideas? |
| 01:25.36 | scorpio | Doesnt work. |
| 01:25.55 | scorpio | 100M is plenty for cache. Unless apt.conf is hiding away somewhere else |
| 01:27.23 | retroflash | Does anyone have fbconfig or know where I could download it? |
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| 01:28.06 | noS0BrhT | cafuego; Can I apt-get the programs listed in that site, (with the exception you recommended) and follow their config instructions? |
| 01:28.23 | ding | Anyone use digikam? Can't connect to the device even though digikam autodetects the camera... |
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| 01:29.31 | trans_err | Anyone here know someone or is attending or has attended Virginia Tech? |
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| 01:31.10 | noS0BrhT | Which one of the MySQL pkgs come with innodb? |
| 01:31.27 | exobyte | I set rsync to be a daemon, but I also set -v and --progress. How can I view its progress |
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| 01:32.51 | scorpio | Ah yes |
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| 01:33.02 | scorpio | APT::Cache-Limit "Value" |
| 01:33.05 | | scorpio: no idea |
| 01:33.07 | scorpio | In "" |
| 01:33.53 | SocketERR | how can i see the kb/s of eth0 in the console? |
| 01:33.58 | LSorensen | sco: paste your /etc/apt/apt.conf to $flood |
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| 01:34.20 | LSorensen | SocketERR: ntop or something might |
| 01:35.01 | SocketERR | LSorensen: no. i mean in the console/comand line |
| 01:35.12 | sgeigerbot | How can I find the video file that I just downloaded (a quicktime movie) by clicking it in Mozilla Firebird...which was then opened with xine and played? |
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| 01:36.07 | Stripes | where do I put a script if I want it to load at boot? |
| 01:36.14 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: ~/.mozilla |
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| 01:36.59 | retroflash | So does anyone have fbconfig for i386? |
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| 01:37.23 | RichiH | sgeigerbot: just wget -r gamp.com - it would save you the trouble of selecting single files, nay? |
| 01:37.25 | SocketERR | LSorensen: sorry, there are 2 ntop. i know the other one (it's a webtop.) |
| 01:37.30 | borius | I downloaded these .ttf fonts... Where should I put them? |
| 01:37.34 | justin | what files would i have to modify to restrict a server from accessing any other computers on the lan except the router? |
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| 01:38.20 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: That's what I would have though, too, but the video is 8MB...but I found no files over 3mb in my mozilla cache... |
| 01:38.30 | det | LSorensen: I assume I instruct exim to deliver to maildir format rather than delivering to courier somehow ? |
| 01:38.31 | justin | the box i want to restrict access on it for remote logon, but i dont want people on that box to be able to do stuff like ssh 192.168.x.x |
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| 01:38.40 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: did it just send the http link to xine? |
| 01:38.40 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: In fact, I looked for all files larger than 3MB in my home directory, but I couldn't find it. |
| 01:38.50 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Maybe... |
| 01:39.04 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Maybe it was piped into nothingness. |
| 01:39.06 | RichiH | sgeigerbot: by the way: |
| 01:39.17 | RichiH | why do have ducks large feet? |
| 01:39.33 | sgeigerbot | RichiH: To stamp out forest first. Duh! |
| 01:39.48 | RichiH | no |
| 01:39.53 | RichiH | to swim :) |
| 01:39.56 | sgeigerbot | RichiH: To stamp out flaming elephants? |
| 01:40.05 | RichiH | or paddle water on forest fires, if you prefer |
| 01:40.17 | hubbabalooba | Hi. How can I view flash content in mozilla without haveing to resort to anything non-free ? |
| 01:40.18 | sgeigerbot | RichiH: I think you went to the wrong preschool. |
| 01:40.50 | RichiH | sgeigerbot: actually, i never went to preschool |
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| 01:41.04 | RichiH | hubbabalooba: learn the bytecode |
| 01:41.10 | sgeigerbot | hubbabalooba: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html |
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| 01:43.00 | jasonmc | has anybody else noticed problems with fetchmail crashing very frequently... I think i've upgraded the package about 3 times since the problem started, and it still persists... i can't seem to keep it running for more than 20 minutes |
| 01:43.09 | hubbabalooba | Thanks. I guess if I have no choice then I have no choice... |
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| 01:43.17 | jasonmc | it will get through about 2-3 poll cycles, then die |
| 01:43.36 | BUBBAdK | can any1 help me...i have the abit ic-7 max3 motherboard and debian can't find the netcard...does any1 know what to do next |
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| 01:44.15 | Justin_ | !+any1 |
| 01:44.15 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 01:44.41 | BUBBAdK | can any1 help me :( |
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| 01:45.51 | twisterz | gaim |
| 01:46.13 | aarkerio | hey, modconf doesnt work with 2.6.0 !! |
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| 01:46.38 | aum | hi - when i remove emacs, apt tries to install xemacs? !??!?!? |
| 01:47.08 | aarkerio | how can I install modules? |
| 01:47.14 | nvz | there wasnt any strangeness comming from me was there? I had forgot this kitten was here and left IRC on my screen.. heh |
| 01:47.43 | Justin_ | aarkerio: /etc/modules |
| 01:47.46 | aum | when i'm trying to uninstall emacs, apt tries to install xemacs - how can i stop this? |
| 01:48.33 | nvz | anyway.. I'll be back, I am going to detach the screen this so the cat wont accidentally annoy anyone. |
| 01:48.44 | aarkerio | insmod didnt work too |
| 01:48.56 | Justin_ | !tell aarkerio about insmod |
| 01:49.30 | aarkerio | modprobe didnt work too |
| 01:49.42 | Justin_ | !tell aarkerio about didn't work |
| 01:50.07 | exobyte | linux didn't work |
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| 01:50.21 | g4lt | aarkerio BTW, modconf DOES work with 2.6, I just fired it up on mine... |
| 01:50.22 | exobyte | !tell knoppix about knoppix |
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| 01:51.07 | Stripes | can someone tell me where I need to put a script if I want it to run at boot? |
| 01:51.12 | aarkerio | I just want charge a network module on the kernel 2.6.0 |
| 01:51.19 | exobyte | I wonder how man _'s you see in #knoppix. <knoppix_______> knoppix___: like knoppix_______ said |
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| 01:53.05 | aum | when i'm trying to uninstall emacs, apt tries to install xemacs - how can i stop this? |
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| 01:56.44 | hailstorm | Hi. What is the latest version of ALSA currently in debian? |
| 01:57.02 | bob2 | !+info alsa-source sid |
| 01:57.03 | chris` | hailstorm: you know, you could have queried apt to find out |
| 01:57.09 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA sound driver source), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1667 kB, Installed size: 1696 kB |
| 01:57.11 | bob2 | Stripes: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 01:57.34 | hailstorm | chris: I don't know how :( Sorry |
| 01:57.56 | RichiH | hailstorm: /msg apt packagename woody/sarge/sid :) |
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| 01:59.45 | hailstorm | chris: You sure you got that right? |
| 01:59.55 | bob2 | hailstorm: they're working on getting 1.0rc in soon |
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| 02:01.08 | pringleK | Could someone walk me though configuring ethernet card for my network? |
| 02:01.14 | pringleK | im having trouble |
| 02:01.14 | caphuso | pringleK: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:01.29 | pringleK | caphuso: man 5? |
| 02:01.34 | caphuso | pringleK: man man |
| 02:01.51 | hailstorm | 0.9.3a fixes a driver problem I'm having. Does debian have that version? |
| 02:01.56 | Czesiu | caphuso: man 1 man to be precise ;) |
| 02:02.14 | pringleK | I'm not understanding |
| 02:02.15 | det | anyone here that uses Maildir: do you use ~/Maildir/ as your inbox or ~/Maildir/inbox/ or something ? |
| 02:02.32 | Czesiu | det: just ~/Maildir/ |
| 02:03.13 | LSorensen | det: just ~/Maildir/ |
| 02:03.30 | caphuso | i use ~/mail/mbox/ |
| 02:03.57 | Czesiu | caphuso: but there is uncommon :) |
| 02:04.00 | det | courier will use ~/Maildir/ as INBOX ? |
| 02:04.09 | hailstorm | bob2: cool thanks for that info |
| 02:04.22 | bob2 | hailstorm: yes, it has 0.9.8 |
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| 02:04.28 | Czesiu | det: all pop/imap servers understanding Maildir format uses ~/Maildir/ |
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| 02:04.29 | LSorensen | det: It should coutain cur new and tmp. New messages are written to tmp, and then atomically moved to new, your MUA then finds new messages in new and moves them to cur as current mail and flags the messsages using additions to the filename (which is a unique name for each message) |
| 02:04.33 | bob2 | pringleK: what problem are you having? |
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| 02:04.37 | LSorensen | det: that's right |
| 02:04.39 | hailstorm | nad 0.9.8a I'm after |
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| 02:04.58 | LSorensen | det: and it will make all other imap folders as ~/Maildir/.foldername/ |
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| 02:05.08 | hailstorm | bob2: 0.9.8a was what I was looking for |
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| 02:05.20 | bob2 | hailstorm: cool. |
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| 02:05.33 | LSorensen | Czesiu: I think you can configure what they use but it is the default for sure |
| 02:05.36 | parody | does anyone know of any xfree86 cvs snapshot or 4.4 release candidate debs? or any with radeon 9600 support? |
| 02:05.41 | bob2 | hm, I should try creating a maildir with new and cur on seperate partitions. |
| 02:05.46 | beta3 | hey bob2 |
| 02:05.48 | bob2 | that would break it in amusing ways |
| 02:05.51 | bob2 | parody: don't bother. |
| 02:05.52 | caphuso | bob2: haha |
| 02:05.55 | bob2 | beta3: howdy |
| 02:06.10 | LSorensen | parody: wouldn't a 4.3 do that? I think it's in experimental |
| 02:06.10 | parody | bob2, why |
| 02:06.14 | beta3 | bob2: freenet6 no longer issuing /48? |
| 02:06.18 | bob2 | parody: just get a binary snapshot of the X server, install it to /opt or whatever and point the /etc/X11/X symlink at it |
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| 02:06.28 | parody | LSorensen, not 9600 |
| 02:06.33 | det | LSorensen: I was just going to ask why mb2md renames my mailing list folders ~/Maildir/.blah :) |
| 02:06.39 | bob2 | parody: you almost certainly don't need xlibs or whatever for it. |
| 02:06.47 | parody | ok |
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| 02:06.54 | beta3 | bob2: it only gave me /128 |
| 02:06.56 | bob2 | beta3: um, dunno, I still have mine. |
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| 02:07.01 | beta3 | bob2: and I put prefix 48 |
| 02:07.02 | bob2 | beta3: one IP? even after you registerd? |
| 02:07.11 | pmcalpin | poo... xmms is barfing at startup |
| 02:07.35 | beta3 | bob2: yes |
| 02:07.40 | det | LSorensen: so, I should have procmail deliver some random folder blah as ~/Maildir/.blah/ ? |
| 02:07.47 | beta3 | bob2: 3ffe:bc0:8000::2341: |
| 02:07.47 | Justin_ | bob2: you need the new xlibs for xrandr to work |
| 02:08.05 | caphuso | xrandr is useless :-/ |
| 02:08.20 | bob2 | xrandr is neat |
| 02:09.15 | gravity | I've yet to see it in action |
| 02:09.28 | bob2 | I have the little applet in my gnome panel |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | only used it once |
| 02:09.36 | gravity | What little applet? |
| 02:09.38 | LSorensen | det: if you want to use courier-imap, then yes |
| 02:09.48 | det | LSorensen: I am starting to realize how horribly suck UW-imapd is |
| 02:10.05 | LSorensen | det: uw-imap is terrible, and I don't even think the current one does Maildir anymore |
| 02:10.06 | bob2 | gravity: the xrandr one. a little dropdown list of modes to switch to. |
| 02:10.08 | bob2 | det: courier! |
| 02:10.09 | beta3 | det: than skip courier, its almost as bad, use dovecot |
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| 02:10.20 | gravity | bob2: Cool. I haven't seen it. |
| 02:10.31 | LSorensen | beta3: courier has done very well for me |
| 02:10.39 | Justin_ | i wish xf4vnc supported xrandr :-) |
| 02:10.53 | det | courier can serve pop3 from Maildir, yes? |
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| 02:11.01 | Justin_ | maybe now it does, havent checked in a few weeks |
| 02:11.08 | bob2 | det: yes |
| 02:11.14 | bob2 | det: as can dovecot |
| 02:11.22 | LSorensen | beta3: looks pretty new. Sure wasn't around when I started using courier |
| 02:11.34 | LSorensen | det: courier can only server from Maildir |
| 02:11.50 | det | bob2: oh.. |
| 02:11.57 | det | bob2: I'm interested |
| 02:11.58 | parody | bob2, which binary should i get? i'm having a bit of trouble navigating this ftp... not really sure what i'm looking for |
| 02:12.02 | LSorensen | det: apparently dovecot can do both mbox and Maildir. Never used it or even heard of it before |
| 02:12.14 | det | bob2: how is dovecot better than courier ? |
| 02:12.30 | bob2 | parody: no idea. I'd guess some xfree86 4.4 binary snapshot, but I'd have no idea where it would be. #xfree86 might know. |
| 02:12.35 | bob2 | det: faster, I hear. |
| 02:12.51 | LSorensen | det: The apt description claims security and reliability are the main goals. |
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| 02:13.11 | LSorensen | det: Not that courier has been a problem for me yet |
| 02:13.11 | beta3 | det: dovecot is faster and securer than courier |
| 02:13.24 | bob2 | pringleK: turn that off. |
| 02:13.47 | LSorensen | det: courier imap sure was faster than uw-imap (with mbox) for me |
| 02:13.58 | LSorensen | beta3: dovecot isn't even version 1 yet :) |
| 02:14.27 | xsdg | bob2: that probably won't do much good currently :o) |
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| 02:15.45 | bob2 | xsdg: bah! |
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| 02:17.23 | det | courier having it's own MTA turns me off .. |
| 02:18.26 | Justin_ | youdont have to use the courier ta |
| 02:18.28 | Justin_ | mta |
| 02:18.52 | lagCisco | is stable the only version of debian that up-to-date on security patches? |
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| 02:19.23 | Justin_ | lagCisco: kinda |
| 02:19.32 | The_Vulture | lagCisco: stable is the only version that security.debian.org covers |
| 02:19.45 | The_Vulture | sid gets them by virtue of it being sid, it gets everything, sarge gets them when they get through sid |
| 02:19.57 | lagCisco | im trying to decide between running stable and testing but i want to be up-to-date on security related bugs |
| 02:20.17 | The_Vulture | then don't run testing |
| 02:20.23 | lagCisco | so it wouldnt be smart to run a server on anythign but stable? |
| 02:20.31 | The_Vulture | pretty much |
| 02:20.41 | lagCisco | aight ill stick to stable then |
| 02:20.45 | LSorensen | lagCisco: of course |
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| 02:21.06 | lagCisco | ouch gnome in stable is old.. :( |
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| 02:21.13 | lagCisco | just want to use the panel |
| 02:21.20 | LSorensen | lagCisco: you can always backport any specific package you really want a newer version off as long as you keep track of security issues in that version |
| 02:21.31 | LSorensen | lagCisco: and gnome and server relate how? |
| 02:21.53 | LSorensen | lagCisco: how does server and X11 even relate? |
| 02:22.12 | lagCisco | LSorensen: im just saying.. if i decided to install it on my workstation |
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| 02:22.45 | LSorensen | lagCisco: well for a workstation you may have different goals :) |
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| 02:22.54 | LSorensen | lagCisco: I run sid on my machine. I don't on servers |
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| 02:23.01 | bob2 | det: I use postfix with courier-{pop,impa} quite happily |
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| 02:23.26 | lagCisco | anyone use the latest firebird with stable? |
| 02:23.32 | lagCisco | mozilla firebird |
| 02:23.51 | Ryuujin | yeah |
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| 02:24.20 | lagCisco | Ryuujin: any problems you run into? |
| 02:24.26 | hailstorm | Does XFree support double buffering at all? |
| 02:24.34 | Ryuujin | lagCisco: regarding what? |
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| 02:24.43 | lagCisco | Ryuujin: libs |
| 02:24.48 | Ryuujin | lagCisco: uhm.. no.. |
| 02:24.53 | LSorensen | hailstorm: some x servers do |
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| 02:24.54 | lagCisco | Ryuujin: i tried a while ago and had lots of problems.. going to try again soon |
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| 02:25.07 | lagCisco | Ryuujin: what about the latest thunderbird? |
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| 02:25.18 | Ryuujin | lagCisco: neither |
| 02:25.24 | hailstorm | LSorensen: I take it Xfree doesn't then? |
| 02:25.29 | LSorensen | who names these things |
| 02:26.26 | LSorensen | hailstorm: No I said some X servers don't. Xfree86 has many different X servers (depends on your card) |
| 02:26.26 | lagCisco | im lagged.. |
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| 02:26.43 | hailstorm | LSorensen: I'm using the nvidia driver. Do you know if it works with that? |
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| 02:27.17 | LSorensen | hailstorm: pretty sure ggi and such have support for double buffering where available. glx does too on hardware that has drivers for that |
| 02:27.22 | bob2 | hailstorm: double buffering of *what*? |
| 02:27.42 | LSorensen | hailstorm: the nvidia driver certainly can double buffer opengl stuff, and probably can for anything ggi does |
| 02:28.13 | hailstorm | bob2: I'm trying to get rid of the tearing effect when I move windows around |
| 02:28.20 | LSorensen | hailstorm: if you are doing 3d, then yes it can. If you are doing 2d animation stuff, use SDL or GGI and it should support it. |
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| 02:28.28 | hanasaki | how can i get grub to install on a new box? the defualt seems to be lilo |
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| 02:28.42 | LSorensen | hailstorm: ah, that would be a window manager problem I guess. |
| 02:29.02 | hailstorm | LSorensen: I see |
| 02:29.09 | LSorensen | hanasaki: it won't be in the next debian version. Just apt-get install grub, then grub-install /dev/whatever you want it on |
| 02:29.10 | gravity | hanasaki: You can install grub afterwards if you like. d-i also has support for grub if you use the expert mode install |
| 02:29.15 | neil | how do I perform a kernel upgrade using apt? |
| 02:29.15 | nvz | hanasaki: the important thing at first is to get the box booted with its own kernel, then do everything else |
| 02:29.20 | bob2 | hanasaki: just install grub. |
| 02:29.30 | neil | I changes sources.list to unstable |
| 02:29.56 | LSorensen | hailstorm: I don't know if any window managers double buffer the entire display. I suspect not as that might break other things |
| 02:30.01 | hanasaki | LSorensen: you mean debian is switching to grub by default? |
| 02:30.11 | LSorensen | neil: you don't upgrade the kernel, you just install additional newer kernels |
| 02:30.11 | gravity | hanasaki: No, it's not |
| 02:30.21 | LSorensen | hanasaki: no the installer gives you a choice |
| 02:30.34 | hanasaki | hmm LSorensen what "wont be:" in the next version? |
| 02:30.40 | hanasaki | ah.. got it |
| 02:30.43 | hanasaki | instead of lilo |
| 02:30.46 | hanasaki | its a choice |
| 02:30.47 | hanasaki | got it |
| 02:30.50 | neil | Lsorensen: Is there a document describing that process on debian there that you know of please? |
| 02:30.54 | hailstorm | LSorensen: OK. Thanks for the help |
| 02:30.59 | LSorensen | hanasaki: even has a nice autoconfigure for grub so that any debian kernel I install adds itself to grub's menu automatically |
| 02:31.12 | lagCisco | anyone tried kernel 2.6.x yet? how is it, any faster? |
| 02:31.16 | hanasaki | LSorensen: cool.. the next version is Sarge? |
| 02:31.23 | bob2 | neil: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 02:31.34 | bob2 | lagCisco: only if you compile it with -fomit-instructions |
| 02:31.39 | neil | bob2: huh? |
| 02:31.40 | LSorensen | neil: I did 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7' yesterday and it installed 2.4.23 and I rebooted and picked it from the menu. |
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| 02:31.59 | hanasaki | cool. . hey for boxes that are on lilo do i just aptget install grub and then grub-install and its all magically there? and it converts the lilo stuf over? |
| 02:32.04 | LSorensen | neil: if you want a kernel that isn't in debian, get the source and use make-kpkg to build a .deb of it (found in kernel-package) |
| 02:32.09 | bob2 | neil: that explains how to install a different kernel |
| 02:32.20 | neil | LSorensen: Hmm, my box isn't connected to a VDU... I log in remotely, will that still be possible? |
| 02:32.29 | SpArTaK | anyone know of a tool to join multipart avi files? |
| 02:32.47 | neil | LSorensen: I just want the latest versions of all the software and the latest working kernel really :) |
| 02:32.49 | LSorensen | lagCisco: I haven't tried it yet, but the scheduler is supposed to be much better, and the locks are smaller so it should be more responsive and it is preemptive apparently to help responsiveness too |
| 02:32.55 | Baton | can anyone tell me what i need to do to fix module support in 2.6.0 im getting a "kernel modules not enabled" when they are enabled and i can manually load modules with modprobe |
| 02:33.19 | LSorensen | neil: it's possible sure, but upgrading the kernel is always something I prefer to do at the console just in case. :) |
| 02:33.31 | lagCisco | ok i loaded up usbmouse using modprobe, what device in /dev/ would my usb mouse be so i can tell GPM? |
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| 02:33.36 | LSorensen | Baton: did you install module-init-tools? |
| 02:33.42 | Baton | LSorensen: yes |
| 02:33.52 | Baton | LSorensen: modules dont show up in modconf either |
| 02:34.05 | LSorensen | lagCisco: /dev/usb/mouse0 or /dev/psaux |
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| 02:34.13 | neil | LSorensen: That could cause a problem :( I have no monitor just a laptop from which I xwindows in! |
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| 02:34.20 | hanasaki | so what are the pro/con of grub and lilo? |
| 02:34.27 | LSorensen | Baton: don't know about that. I haven't tried it yet. The module names are different now so maybe modconf has to be improved |
| 02:34.38 | LSorensen | Baton: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 02:34.55 | hanasaki | bbiab.. phone |
| 02:34.57 | hanasaki | thanks all |
| 02:35.04 | lagCisco | ok got it, used /dev/input/mice and instlalled 'hotplug' |
| 02:35.07 | LSorensen | neil: well if you use debian's kernels I wouldn't be too worried. I manage to mess up occationally when I make my own. |
| 02:35.17 | hailstorm | Anything that needs to be installed prior to upgrading to 2.6? |
| 02:35.34 | bob2 | Baton: modconf doesn't work with 2.6 |
| 02:35.37 | Baton | yeah well ive been looking on the net seems lotsa ppl are having same problem as me.. but i dont see any solutions (apart from compiling modules into kernel) |
| 02:35.39 | bob2 | Baton: what is printing out that error? |
| 02:35.41 | bob2 | hailstorm: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 02:35.48 | LSorensen | hanasaki: grub does not require running a command after editing the menu config. lilo does. grub can be told new kernels and options at the command line at boot time, lilo can only boot what it already knows about |
| 02:36.20 | neil | Lsorensen: Right... what about the software, does that not require a specific kernel? eg.. if u upgrade from Woody to unstable would you need to upgrade kernel too, or does it give you another kernel to install manually or something? |
| 02:36.22 | Baton | bob2: Jan 9 13:06:02 paul kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. |
| 02:36.58 | lagCisco | sometimes im using my system doing small tasks in the background like right now apt is download x-window-system-core and irc, sometimes irc is slow.. scrolling lags.. sometimes typing lags, even switching terms lags at times, any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 02:37.08 | LSorensen | neil: no you don't have to upgrade the kernel. You can but you don't have to |
| 02:37.13 | Justin_ | lagCisco: turn on dma |
| 02:37.19 | LSorensen | neil: the software in sid works fine with 2.4 kernels and probably for the most part would with 2.2 as well. |
| 02:37.31 | beta3 | bob2: did you look at kernel.org today, -rc2-mm1 was release 2hrs before -rc3 |
| 02:37.38 | lagCisco | Justin_: how? :-) |
| 02:37.42 | isaac_ | lagCisco: i have the same problem, see what Justin_ said :/ |
| 02:37.53 | LSorensen | lagCisco: either what justin says or your system is just very slow, or the internet connection is lagging |
| 02:38.04 | bob2 | beta3: hah. |
| 02:38.08 | det | beta3, how does dovecot handle sub maildirs |
| 02:38.19 | neil | LSorensen: My kernel is 2.2.22. I'm trying to install a USB modem driver which requires HDLD support or 2.4 so I figured to install that would be good |
| 02:38.24 | neil | 2.4 that is |
| 02:38.28 | lagCisco | my system is a 2400 athlon barton.. 768ram should be fast enough |
| 02:38.31 | beta3 | det: it places them under .<NAME> |
| 02:38.39 | LSorensen | lagCisco: I had a server that I forgot to enable dma on the disks (one of the few servers with ide drives) and it had terrible performance (NFS timeouts, etc). when I discovered the missing DMA turning it on made a huge difference |
| 02:38.57 | beta3 | det: it also indexes mail for speed and performance |
| 02:39.09 | lagCisco | apt didnt help me when i asked it about dma :) |
| 02:39.11 | | lagCisco: are you using Windows? |
| 02:39.15 | LSorensen | lagCisco: well then check grep dma /proc/ide/hd*/settings |
| 02:39.18 | lagCisco | damm gotta install a textbased webbrower |
| 02:39.26 | LSorensen | lagCisco: should preferably be using_dma 1 0 1 |
| 02:39.33 | det | beta3: I have ~/Maildir/.caml-list and dovecot doesnt show any other maildirs besides INBOX |
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| 02:39.47 | beta3 | det: then you haven't made any others |
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| 02:39.55 | beta3 | mutt -f imap://localhost |
| 02:40.09 | LSorensen | det: courier uses .name in the main dir. No idea what covedot expects |
| 02:40.10 | beta3 | det: then ? and find how to make maildirs |
| 02:40.12 | Annirak | How do I get he MD5 of an ISO? |
| 02:40.20 | MikeH_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.20 | LSorensen | det: did you ask the mail client to subscribe to the other folders? |
| 02:40.24 | Baton | bob2: any ideas then? perhaps im not installing system map propley.. |
| 02:40.27 | caphuso | Annirak: md5sum foo.iso |
| 02:40.28 | neil | Lsorensen: so if I apit-get install the new kernel then reboot, it will have an extra option for that kernel in lilo as well as the old one? |
| 02:40.32 | Annirak | thx |
| 02:40.35 | lagCisco | i can just edit those files in proc? |
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| 02:40.54 | mavx | After a hard boot, what might cause Gnome 2.4 (debian sid, 2.6 kernel) to hang after a login through GDM? It hangs after displaying the Gnome 2.4 image where it normally loads itself... |
| 02:40.55 | lagCisco | its using_dma 0 0 1 |
| 02:41.12 | LSorensen | neil: it should if you let it update lilo (and the lilo.conf is setup properly for that). |
| 02:41.32 | LSorensen | neil: on sarge and sid using grub it's very easy. It can be a bit trickier on woody since it doesn't come set for initrd by default |
| 02:41.49 | det | courier only shows INBOX as well |
| 02:41.57 | det | LSorensen: what mail client do you use |
| 02:41.57 | LSorensen | lagCisco: that would make it slow. try hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda or whatever the hd is |
| 02:41.57 | beta3 | det: obviously |
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| 02:42.03 | bob2 | Baton: how did you install it? |
| 02:42.05 | neil | LSorensen: I'll just do it and see what happens |
| 02:42.10 | beta3 | det, since you didn't make any other mailboxes |
| 02:42.23 | LSorensen | det: generally mutt, but I have played with mozilla, kmail and outlook among others |
| 02:42.33 | lagCisco | install hdparm |
| 02:42.41 | Baton | bob2: manually.. just copied it into /boot/ from the kernel tree and told lilo where it was |
| 02:42.48 | det | beta3: is "making" a mailbox something that must be told to the server? |
| 02:42.49 | lagCisco | sweeet, turned it on |
| 02:42.54 | lagCisco | thanks! |
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| 02:42.59 | LSorensen | lagCisco: the debian kernels generally default to dma on when it's safe. If you made your own kernel, it might not |
| 02:43.15 | det | beta3: having procmail deliver to ~/Maildir/.some-mailbox/ is not sufficient ? |
| 02:43.21 | shob | when i try to run vi, I get vi error while loading libXt.so.6: cannot open: no such file; is there any way to re-install packages? (my system had crashed, and i'm trying to recover) |
| 02:43.24 | lagCisco | LSorensen: im using the built-in kernel |
| 02:43.34 | neil | I ran that command and got: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.21) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:43.34 | lagCisco | 2.4.20-bf2.4 |
| 02:43.35 | LSorensen | det: you should be able to create folders in the inbox (on courier at least) or where covedot allows it from the mail client, or subscribe to existing ones |
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| 02:43.53 | lagCisco | is it worth the trouble to use linux 2.6.x? |
| 02:43.59 | LSorensen | lagCisco: where ever did 2.4.20 come from? |
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| 02:44.20 | LSorensen | lagCisco: bf kernels are generally awful btw. they are designed for installing, not running. get an optimized kernel |
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| 02:44.27 | lagCisco | LSorensen: dont know.. thats whats installed, from a minimal network install i did |
| 02:44.38 | lagCisco | LSorensen: what kernel should i use? |
| 02:44.41 | lagCisco | for stable |
| 02:44.45 | LSorensen | lagCisco: it seems like it might be a bit of trouble still. a proper 2.4 kernel should do |
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| 02:44.54 | Treason | # dosfsck /dev/hdb2 |
| 02:44.54 | Treason | dosfsck 2.10, 22 Sep 2003, FAT32, LFN |
| 02:44.54 | Treason | Logical sector size is zero. |
| 02:44.59 | Treason | is that bad? |
| 02:45.00 | LSorensen | lagCisco: yes, and then you use apt-get to install one of the kernel-image packages |
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| 02:45.10 | LSorensen | lagCisco: at least sarge will do that for you to as part of the install (about time) |
| 02:45.18 | LSorensen | lagCisco: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 02:45.34 | LSorensen | Treason: looks weird |
| 02:45.34 | beta3 | det: not if there is no mailbox there, no |
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| 02:45.42 | mavx | Any thoughts? Not having much luck with google. |
| 02:45.56 | lagCisco | amd k7 == athlon xp? |
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| 02:46.04 | LSorensen | neil: so apt-get install initrd-tools |
| 02:46.13 | Treason | LSorensen: oh yeas |
| 02:46.19 | LSorensen | lagCisco: athlon xp is a k7 yes |
| 02:46.22 | det | LSorensen: Is there some way to get a listing of available folders ? |
| 02:46.27 | LSorensen | lagCisco: athlon 64 will be something else |
| 02:46.50 | lagCisco | so 2.4.18-1-k7 is what i need then |
| 02:46.56 | LSorensen | det: ehm, not sure. As I said I have no clue about covedot so it might want a different naming convention |
| 02:47.02 | neil | i'm using aptitiude now |
| 02:47.09 | det | LSorensen: I am using courier now |
| 02:47.12 | gravity | Hooray! |
| 02:47.13 | neil | 2.4.22-1 |
| 02:47.17 | LSorensen | det: for all I know it will insist the folders be created by it initially :) |
| 02:47.24 | tony | too many programs try to use 8080 |
| 02:47.26 | LSorensen | lagCisco: should be better yes |
| 02:47.42 | LSorensen | det: ah. well I know mozilla and kmail and such have a subscribe folders option |
| 02:47.43 | tony | how do I find out which one is holding it, and stop it? |
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| 02:48.22 | mavx | I hate trying to troubleshoot problems that yield no error messages. Argh. |
| 02:48.44 | det | LSorensen: what do you use? |
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| 02:49.00 | LSorensen | det: mutt on the mail server |
| 02:49.09 | LSorensen | det: other people use whatever they want |
| 02:49.28 | det | oh, so not mutt over imap ? |
| 02:49.35 | det | just mutt + Maildir ? |
| 02:49.47 | lagCisco | hmm when i installed x-window-system-core it had an easy-to-use configuration interface, how can i bring that back up ? tried xf86config but thats all text-based.. hard.. :) |
| 02:49.53 | LSorensen | det: yeah. You can use imap with it using the -f imap://hostname if you want |
| 02:49.58 | LSorensen | det: let me try that |
| 02:51.25 | AngelOfDeath | I have no clue how to configure the audio for my laptop. Anyone give me any hints... none of it is installed... |
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| 02:51.53 | somiaj | lagCisco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (dpkg-reconfigure uses debconf to go though the configuration scrip of packages again) |
| 02:51.54 | LSorensen | det: hmm, no listing for imap in mutt, but I could go to imap://localhost/INBOX.Sent |
| 02:52.16 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: maybe you should give us a clue to what you're using |
| 02:52.26 | lagCisco | thansk somiaj |
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| 02:52.40 | ecstatix | hi |
| 02:52.41 | det | yeah, that works |
| 02:52.50 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: no problem.... I have a gateway laptop running debian |
| 02:53.17 | shob | how do I re-install current packages? |
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| 02:53.28 | somiaj | shob: apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:53.28 | caphuso | shob: apt-get --reinstall install foo |
| 02:53.37 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: try install/using sndconfig |
| 02:53.52 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: look up what sound chip is onboard |
| 02:54.00 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: sndconfig hmm ok |
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| 02:54.18 | ecstatix | what is the easiest way to get apache running? with php/cgi support? and also that "gallery" which displays images. I want to run apache on localhost and work on my website before i upload |
| 02:54.24 | ecstatix | I'll also need mysql |
| 02:54.25 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: where might this sndconfig be? |
| 02:54.37 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: you need to install it |
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| 02:54.45 | ecstatix | AngelOfDeath: you apt-get install sndconfig |
| 02:54.48 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: apt-get install sndconfig |
| 02:54.50 | lagCisco | i hate configuring X..... |
| 02:55.10 | ecstatix | lagCisco: then dont |
| 02:55.16 | lagCisco | is there any special program in debian thatll help me identify and setup Xfree86? |
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| 02:55.23 | lagCisco | ecstatix: i need to :) |
| 02:55.25 | gravity | !tell lagCisco about setup x |
| 02:55.29 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: being done now.... |
| 02:55.35 | gravity | lagCisco: That'll help you |
| 02:55.56 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: so run it |
| 02:56.07 | lagCisco | gravity: thats but i tried that and its not working when i startx, no screens found |
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| 02:56.25 | lagCisco | s/thats/thanks |
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| 02:56.26 | gravity | lagCisco: You installed discover, read-edid, and mdetect? |
| 02:56.28 | ecstatix | what is the easiest way to get apache running? with php/cgi support? and also that "gallery" which displays images. I want to run apache on localhost and work on my website before i upload |
| 02:56.33 | bztunk | I will be happy when X implements auto configuration :D |
| 02:56.33 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: hmm i think i just heard some sound... |
| 02:56.36 | gravity | lagCisco: Ah, don't use the framebuffer too |
| 02:56.38 | mavx | After a hard boot, what might cause Gnome 2.4 (debian sid, 2.6 kernel) to hang after a login through GDM? It hangs after displaying the Gnome 2.4 image where it normally loads itself... |
| 02:56.41 | StonedNecromance | hello |
| 02:56.44 | lagCisco | gravity: hmm let me check |
| 02:56.48 | lagCisco | not using fb |
| 02:57.00 | det | ahh |
| 02:57.13 | gravity | lagCisco: You installed discover? |
| 02:57.20 | det | setting folder to {localhost} in mutt and typeing c? |
| 02:57.25 | det | lists all my groups |
| 02:57.26 | lagCisco | ok install discover read-edid mdetect now |
| 02:57.34 | StonedNecromance | could anybody have an idea why debian's installations fails to run chroot when installing base system |
| 02:57.36 | lagCisco | installing |
| 02:57.38 | somiaj | bztunk: and I'll be happy to turn that autoconfig shit off...(: |
| 02:57.51 | lagCisco | now what? :) |
| 02:57.52 | StonedNecromance | i'm using bf2.4 boot floppies and 3.0r2 cd1 |
| 02:58.06 | AngelOfDeath | transerr: where are all controls etc? |
| 02:58.07 | gravity | lagCisco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:58.10 | bztunk | somiaj: haha :D |
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| 02:58.20 | lagCisco | ok |
| 02:58.21 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: for volume? |
| 02:58.28 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: nod yeah |
| 02:58.34 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: aumix |
| 02:58.43 | mush | i'm using alsa-source to make a module for my au8820. i go through the steps outlined in INSTALL but when I modprobe snd-au8820 it says "Module snd_au8820 not found." I'm using linux 2.6.0 |
| 02:58.54 | lagCisco | damm no screens found still |
| 02:59.07 | SharkY | Hi |
| 02:59.08 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: error opening |
| 02:59.19 | trans_err | AngelOfDeath: proper permissions on /dev/mixxer ? |
| 02:59.23 | trans_err | /dev/dsp |
| 02:59.30 | AngelOfDeath | no clue |
| 02:59.30 | somiaj | mush: 2.6.0 has alsa natively built in, you shouldn't have to recompile the module using alsa-source....did you compile your own 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:59.30 | gravity | lagCisco: Try it with the vesa driver |
| 02:59.40 | lagCisco | no devices found |
| 02:59.41 | AngelOfDeath | trans_err: no idea.... |
| 03:00.02 | SharkY | the Debian 3.0r2 kernel are protected to the famous security bug??? |
| 03:00.02 | spoopin | exit |
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| 03:00.08 | spoopin | whooooops |
| 03:00.15 | gravity | lagCisco: No devices found with vesa driver? |
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| 03:00.34 | StonedNecromance | what kind of security bug? |
| 03:00.37 | somiaj | SharkY: the default instlal ones no, but once you install a real kernel from debian yes.../msg dpkg real kernel |
| 03:00.44 | ecstatix | SharkY: no |
| 03:00.50 | lagCisco | screens found but none have usable configuration |
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| 03:01.28 | Justin_ | !tell lagCisco about X problem |
| 03:01.37 | SharkY | somiaj: using apt, witch kernel are protected and safe to server? |
| 03:01.48 | ecstatix | is there a factoid about installing apache with php on debian? |
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| 03:01.55 | alexiii | Is there anyone here from scandinavia (preferably sweden) who could show me their console-tools configuration, I cannot seem to get the keymap & font correct |
| 03:01.55 | Justin_ | ecstatix: install php |
| 03:01.57 | mush | somiaj: yes i made my own kernel. alsa is in the kernel but not the driver for au88x0 |
| 03:02.05 | ecstatix | Justin_: apt-get install php? |
| 03:02.20 | sandstorm | !tell sandstorm about X problem |
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| 03:02.27 | ecstatix | Could'nt find package php |
| 03:02.36 | ecstatix | or do i have to specify php3/4? |
| 03:02.40 | somiaj | SharkY: -1 kernels were fixed against the first main kenerl exploit, though I'm quite sure about the recent one (as of a few days ago) |
| 03:02.41 | hachi | so, with the new input system in linux a lot of devices are now showing up as /dev/input/eventx. Does anyone know how a person is supposed to map this name to a real piece of hardware? since I'm not guaranteed to plug usb devices in in the same order every time I see a bit of a problem with this system |
| 03:02.52 | Justin_ | er right yeah, php4 |
| 03:02.57 | sandstorm | !tell me about life |
| 03:03.37 | ecstatix | Justin_: i just want a local web server where i can test out pages before uploading to the webhost |
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| 03:03.45 | ecstatix | Justin_: how does one install mysql? |
| 03:03.46 | windowsrefund | hi everyone. I've got a very curious problem. /dev/hda9 exists on my system and I can mount it on /backup with no errors. However, after mounting it, it doesn't show up in the output of 'mount'. I don't really understand what the problem is here but would really appreciate if one of you Jedi would give me a hand |
| 03:03.58 | Justin_ | ecstatix: the same way you install everything else |
| 03:04.04 | ecstatix | would appreciate a web server howto on debian tho, which tells which package to install |
| 03:04.08 | ecstatix | and howto config |
| 03:04.12 | ecstatix | hmm |
| 03:04.13 | hachi | windowsrefund: is root mounted read-write? |
| 03:04.23 | somiaj | mush: sorry thought it was in there.... |
| 03:04.28 | hachi | s{root}{/}; |
| 03:04.29 | gravity | ecstatix: Why not just install apache and read the docs? |
| 03:04.30 | windowsrefund | hachi: yes it is |
| 03:04.40 | hachi | does it appear in your mtab? |
| 03:05.00 | SharkY | somiaj: Thanks |
| 03:05.05 | ecstatix | gravity: ok. |
| 03:05.27 | windowsrefund | hachi: / does appear in /etc/mtab. /backup (/dev/hda9) does not |
| 03:05.31 | gravity | ecstatix: Install apache-doc as well. It's got the docs you want |
| 03:05.50 | ecstatix | gravity: excellent. i can access the docs via the local webserver, right? |
| 03:06.21 | gravity | ecstatix: Just through your browser. No web server needed. |
| 03:06.21 | hachi | windowsrefund: are you mounting it while uid 0? |
| 03:06.25 | tempo | how do i find out what is my smtp error and troubleshoot it? |
| 03:06.29 | windowsrefund | hachi: yep |
| 03:06.39 | hachi | windowsrefund: try touch /etc/mtab |
| 03:06.41 | gravity | ecstatix: Use the "open" command in the menu, or just "file:///usr/share/doc/apache/" in the location bar |
| 03:06.45 | hachi | and see if you get an error at all |
| 03:06.47 | gravity | ecstatix: After install of course |
| 03:06.48 | ecstatix | gravity: ok. another thing. which are packages i need to install for a mysql database, and to admin it |
| 03:06.52 | ecstatix | gravity: thanks |
| 03:07.13 | gravity | ecstatix: Just install mysql and that should do it. You'll probably want mysql-doc as well |
| 03:07.29 | ecstatix | gravity: ok, lemme finish that part. if i need more help, will ask again |
| 03:07.30 | noS0BrhT | how do I pass configuration options to a pkg I want to intall with apt-get. For instance, when installing from *.tar one can ./configure \ and pass options. |
| 03:07.40 | gravity | ecstatix: Ok |
| 03:07.42 | det | hrmm, courier lists my folders as INBOX.blah whereas dovecot lists them simply as blah, I wonder what is the correct imap behavior .. |
| 03:07.45 | Gathond | tempo: your mailservers log file ? /var/log/mail or some such |
| 03:07.53 | windowsrefund | hachi: I've even rebooted and that hasn't solved the problem (not that I believe in rebooting to solve problems, but figured it was worth a shot) |
| 03:07.54 | gravity | noS0BrhT: What sort of options do you want to pass? |
| 03:08.33 | noS0BrhT | gravity; --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler \ --with-innodb |
| 03:08.43 | gravity | noS0BrhT: You can't do that in debian |
| 03:08.46 | gravity | noS0BrhT: This isn't gentoo |
| 03:08.49 | hachi | windowsrefund: what did touch /etc/mtab do? |
| 03:09.00 | somiaj | noS0BrhT: any sort of configuration options will be asked durning the install |
| 03:09.09 | noS0BrhT | gravity; how can I pass options? |
| 03:09.11 | gravity | noS0BrhT: You can download the source (apt-get source) and modify as you like |
| 03:09.16 | windowsrefund | hachi: you want me to run that command? |
| 03:09.18 | gravity | noS0BrhT: apt-src may be what you need |
| 03:09.23 | hachi | windowsrefund: yes |
| 03:09.39 | hachi | if you don't know what touch does, read the manpage first |
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| 03:09.51 | windowsrefund | hachi: cnode1:~# touch /etc/mtab |
| 03:09.51 | windowsrefund | touch: creating `/etc/mtab': Read-only file system |
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| 03:10.03 | noS0BrhT | gravity; humm. have to add a source location to my source.lists |
| 03:10.05 | real_ | anyone had any problem to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:10.07 | real_ | ¿? |
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| 03:10.13 | hachi | windowsrefund: that looks to me like / or /etc aren't mounted read-write |
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| 03:10.35 | hachi | I certainly hope you don't have /etc on a seperate file system, since you don't seem up to doing strange things like that |
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| 03:10.38 | noS0BrhT | gravity; I'm running Xandros. Do you know a good source location? |
| 03:10.48 | real_ | anyone had any problem to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ¿? |
| 03:10.50 | gravity | noS0BrhT: Not for Xandros, no. |
| 03:10.59 | gravity | This is #debian, not #xandros |
| 03:11.00 | ecstatix | gravity: hmm, when i type http://localhost/gallery/setup/index.php, the browser wants to download the file. As if apache is not processing it. what now? |
| 03:11.10 | tempo | Gathond: i am using exim. sorry. i tried to look there and i couldn't find anything |
| 03:11.13 | somiaj | real_: isn't it just 'kernel-image-2.6.0' |
| 03:11.15 | windowsrefund | hachi: /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:11.16 | noS0BrhT | gravity; xandros is based on debian |
| 03:11.28 | Justin_ | ecstatix: grep php /etc/apache/* |
| 03:11.32 | gravity | ecstatix: I don't know. You'll have to read the docs and figure things out. I haven't run apache in a long time |
| 03:11.38 | gravity | noS0BrhT: Sure, but it's not debian. |
| 03:11.39 | ecstatix | hmm |
| 03:11.49 | bucky_ | somiaj, there are some new ones in sid |
| 03:11.50 | noS0BrhT | gravity; hmmm? |
| 03:11.50 | real_ | kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.0 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. |
| 03:11.53 | somiaj | real_: sorry, this is it 'kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686' |
| 03:12.00 | hachi | windowsrefund: the output of mount can lie, because it reads the state from /etc/mtab... which is on a read-only file system right now, so nothing can write to the file to say that it's read-only |
| 03:12.01 | real_ | yep |
| 03:12.07 | real_ | anyone has isntalled ? |
| 03:12.13 | hachi | all it does is read /etc/mtab and parse it |
| 03:12.16 | gravity | noS0BrhT: /topic. The same thing that it says about knoppix applies to Xandros |
| 03:12.17 | somiaj | !tell real_ about polls |
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| 03:12.21 | lagCisco | in order to go from ext2 to ext3 do i just need to edit /etc/fstab? |
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| 03:12.31 | Justin_ | !tell lagCisco about ext2->ext3 |
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| 03:12.46 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: ping |
| 03:12.53 | hachi | has anyone done any work with the /dev/input/eventx input system? |
| 03:12.57 | somiaj | lagCisco: no you have to add a journal, check the factoid Justin_ sent ya. |
| 03:13.00 | windowsrefund | hachi: ok, so we're saying that / is getting mounted ro. Any idea why or how I can correct that? |
| 03:13.06 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: ? |
| 03:13.10 | xsdg | hachi: I've used it to debug my dance pad... |
| 03:13.10 | lagCisco | thanks |
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| 03:13.12 | StonedNecromance | oh well, it appears that there's no /var/cache directory... |
| 03:13.18 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: http://members.surfeu.fi/kklaine/primebear.html |
| 03:13.18 | sandstorm | !tell me about apt-get |
| 03:13.20 | bucky_ | real_, i installed it and built a new one from source, had three gotcha's |
| 03:13.22 | ecstatix | Justin_: yeah, the httpd.conf file does have handlers for php, php3, php4, etc |
| 03:13.23 | lagCisco | how can i find out what factoids dpkg has? |
| 03:13.25 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: an interesting way to gather primes :o) |
| 03:13.26 | dud- | what does this error mean? "pam_limits[4948]: setrlimit limit #6 to soft=-1, hard=-1 failed: Operation not |
| 03:13.27 | somiaj | sandstorm: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 03:13.28 | dud- | +permitted; uid=1000 euid=1000" |
| 03:13.29 | dud- | sorry |
| 03:13.38 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: heh. Yeah, I've seen that bear... |
| 03:13.42 | Justin_ | ecstatix: which are commented out |
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| 03:13.56 | ecstatix | Justin_: oh |
| 03:13.56 | windowsrefund | hachi: you're right. / is read only, I can't create /test |
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| 03:14.17 | ecstatix | Justin_: ok,after i change the httpd.conf, how do i make apache re-read the file? |
| 03:14.18 | hachi | windowsrefund: perhaps there are errors on the / fs and fsck has failed during the automatic runs |
| 03:14.32 | xsdg | ecstatix: /etc/init.d/apache reload |
| 03:14.34 | windowsrefund | interesting |
| 03:14.41 | ecstatix | xsdg: thanks |
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| 03:14.46 | hachi | windowsrefund: check your syslog, and maybe run fsck manually to see if you can kick it along |
| 03:14.48 | xsdg | np |
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| 03:14.55 | real_ | anyone had problem to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 ¿? |
| 03:15.03 | ecstatix | xsdg: reload only loads the conf file or restarts the whole httpd? |
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| 03:15.06 | windowsrefund | hachi: yea it's telling me that it can't find the superblock |
| 03:15.10 | hachi | xsdg: did you always have to refer to it as /dev/input/eventx or is there an auto-detection facility |
| 03:15.25 | windowsrefund | hachi: ok, I guess I can take it from here. Thanks so much for helping me figure this out :) |
| 03:15.26 | ecstatix | what's invoke-rc.d? |
| 03:15.33 | gravity | ecstatix: man invoke-rc.d |
| 03:15.36 | somiaj | real_: don't ask polls, if you have a problem then ask. |
| 03:15.38 | hachi | windowsrefund: just to let you know, mentioning this problem /earlier/ makes people trying to help you less likely to scream at you |
| 03:15.45 | ecstatix | :( always gets down to the manpage. |
| 03:15.48 | ecstatix | ok, will read |
| 03:15.57 | windowsrefund | what? |
| 03:16.02 | sandstorm | somiaj: thanks.. |
| 03:16.02 | gravity | ecstatix: It's a better explanation than I could give |
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| 03:16.16 | lagCisco | brb |
| 03:16.33 | somiaj | sandstorm: if you want to access varrious factoids its just better that way to not clog up the chanell more than it already is...(: |
| 03:16.33 | hachi | windowsrefund: you have an error right there on your screen, and you knew about it... perhaps this is pertinant information |
| 03:16.40 | hachi | ? |
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| 03:17.06 | windowsrefund | hachi: what are you talking about? I just discovered this problem |
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| 03:17.21 | sandstorm | somiaj: allright.. |
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| 03:17.30 | tempo | Gathond: does pid have any meaning? |
| 03:17.38 | tempo | Gathond: does pid=1009 |
| 03:17.38 | tempo | ? |
| 03:17.41 | real_ | when i apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 and then boot i get a kernel panic (image is 2 big 4180/4096 block 0 || VFS Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-block 3,2 || VFS Unable 2 mount root FS on unknown-block 3,2) |
| 03:17.43 | hachi | windowsrefund: when fsck fails on debian it bails the boot and puts you in single user mode, there's no way you should have missed the error message |
| 03:17.49 | Gathond | tempo: pid is just the process ID |
| 03:17.49 | real_ | anyone knows how to fix the problem |
| 03:17.50 | real_ | ? |
| 03:17.51 | xsdg | hachi: /dev/input... |
| 03:17.57 | hachi | windowsrefund: in the future, please try to read your screen at boot |
| 03:18.05 | xsdg | hachi: I was just catting to assess lag, basicallyu |
| 03:18.06 | gravity | real_: Known bug I believe, check the bts |
| 03:18.07 | windowsrefund | hachi: I'm connected to the box over ssh. The box is in another state |
| 03:18.08 | xsdg | hachi: nothing fancy |
| 03:18.15 | Gathond | tempo: but im not really that good with exim, never once managed to make it do something usefull |
| 03:18.18 | tempo | Gathond: yes. i understood how stupid was my question once i asked it |
| 03:18.22 | hachi | windowsrefund: good trick, ssh shouldn't have started |
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| 03:18.28 | marijn | hi all.. |
| 03:18.30 | Xenocide | windowsrefund: dmesg can be your friend =) |
| 03:18.34 | Annirak | In the sarge intaller, at the install LILO section, it asks me where I want to install LILO. The default path is "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc" Is that a reasonable target or do I need to change it? My drive has one primary partition and a few swap. |
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| 03:18.39 | windowsrefund | hachi: In the future, how about trying to not make assumptions about environments that you don't know about |
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| 03:19.00 | windowsrefund | hachi: how about I make you an account so you can see for yourself that ssh did start |
| 03:19.00 | hachi | windowsrefund: don't get mad at me, I tried to help you, you never looked at your error logs when you were having problems |
| 03:19.11 | ecstatix | Justin_: am editing the httpd.conf to add support for .php, .php4. but what is the handler of type .hdml? |
| 03:19.12 | windowsrefund | hachi: then you can apologize to me right here in public |
| 03:19.14 | windowsrefund | ok? |
| 03:19.18 | xsdg | gravity: bah... no tab-complete :o) |
| 03:19.26 | gravity | xsdg: ? |
| 03:19.27 | hachi | I have no reason to ;) |
| 03:19.38 | xsdg | windowsrefund: err |
| 03:19.42 | Justin_ | ecstatix: huh? |
| 03:19.47 | xsdg | gravity: re invoke-rc.d vs /etc/init.d/... |
| 03:20.04 | somiaj | Annirak: that sounds like the MBR, so yes...though do realize the sarge installer is still undergoing testing and you may want to use the woody one and upgrade. |
| 03:20.08 | xsdg | gravity: useful for scripts, though |
| 03:20.10 | windowsrefund | hachi: you're saying that ssh didn't start because / is mounted ro. Futhermore, you're accusing me of lying and being lazy. |
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| 03:20.15 | ecstatix | Justin_: umm, well, the apache httpd.conf has an entry for a filetype called .hdml. wanted to know what .hdml was |
| 03:20.21 | debian | which backup server you'd recommend? Amanda or afbackup? |
| 03:20.31 | ecstatix | debian: amanda |
| 03:20.35 | gravity | xsdg: That's true, but it's still guaranteed to do the right thing |
| 03:20.46 | xsdg | gravity: ::nod:: |
| 03:20.53 | Annirak | somiaj: yes I know, but I figured I might as well give it a shot anyway. |
| 03:20.54 | Xenguy | debian: amanda is pretty industrial strength I hear |
| 03:20.54 | debian | ecstatix: great people think alike. Thanks. :) |
| 03:21.02 | debian | Xenguy: yeah, thanks a lot |
| 03:21.05 | hachi | windowsrefund: I shall claim that you didn't look at your error logs, I'm letting this be a lesson to you... however I never claimed you were lying, just that ssh really shouldn't have started if fsck failed |
| 03:21.15 | somiaj | Annirak: Ok, just making sure, you never do know...(: |
| 03:21.20 | gravity | That'd kick ass |
| 03:21.30 | hachi | reread your scrollback and you will see that I said it was a good trick |
| 03:21.31 | dondelelcaro | gravity: doesn't bash's completion do that? |
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| 03:21.48 | windowsrefund | hachi: well it did start so obviously you don't know as much as you think you do |
| 03:22.00 | gravity | dondelelcaro: invoke-rc.d foo<tab> will complete foo in bash? |
| 03:22.03 | xsdg | windowsrefund: please... leave the personal attacks at home |
| 03:22.07 | Xenguy | o/~ let me, just ignore you o/~ |
| 03:22.07 | windowsrefund | hachi: so perhaps you need to get off your soapbox |
| 03:22.16 | windowsrefund | xsdg: none of your business |
| 03:22.18 | dondelelcaro | windowsrefund, hachi: take your argument elsewhere please. |
| 03:22.20 | hachi | windowsrefund: oh piss off |
| 03:22.29 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Nope, not here |
| 03:22.29 | windowsrefund | whatever |
| 03:22.34 | Xenguy | they don't get it - we don't *have* to listen ;-) |
| 03:22.44 | dondelelcaro | gravity: sorry, I was thinking /etc/init.d/foo <tab> |
| 03:23.05 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Right. We were debating the merits of normal users using /etc/init.d/foo vs invoke-rc.d :-) |
| 03:23.07 | Annirak | somiaj: perhaps I should have gone woody. I now have 10 rows of "99 " across my screen where LILO should have booted. |
| 03:23.12 | ecstatix | what is the point of calling the conf file httpd.conf instead of apache.conf, or the point of having /etc/init.d/apache instead of /etc/init.d/httpd? |
| 03:23.22 | xsdg | Annirak: why use LILO anyway? grub rocks :o) |
| 03:23.33 | gravity | LILO works great, why would I switch? |
| 03:23.33 | dondelelcaro | ecstatix: uh, because we have multiple httpds? |
| 03:23.36 | gravity | It's just a bootloader |
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| 03:23.37 | somiaj | Annirak: Yup |
| 03:23.38 | Annirak | GRUB fails to boot on this machine with the sarge install |
| 03:23.40 | Xenguy | ecstatix: just semantics |
| 03:23.43 | Annirak | tha's why |
| 03:23.44 | hachi | xsdg: in any case, I'm just puzzled at how everyone claims the event system to be next generation when I have to map event1,2,3 manually into my programs at each boot... ever run into any information on this? |
| 03:23.45 | debian | !start a bootloader war |
| 03:23.45 | dpkg | msdos bootloader kicks some ass |
| 03:23.55 | hachi | dpkg++ |
| 03:23.56 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro: oh. what's a good apache competitor? |
| 03:24.00 | xsdg | hachi: nope |
| 03:24.05 | xsdg | debian: nice :o) |
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| 03:24.14 | Justin_ | hachi: this is not a kernel channel, stop whining about kernel issues here |
| 03:24.20 | somiaj | dpkg, are you smoking crack? |
| 03:24.23 | debian | all bootloader by Apple II's 0x60 sux |
| 03:24.25 | dpkg | somiaj: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:24.27 | xsdg | ecstatix: apt-cache search httpd? |
| 03:24.28 | debian | s/by/but |
| 03:24.30 | dondelelcaro | ecstatix: apt-cache search httpd |
| 03:24.42 | Xenguy | dpkg: some things ya just gotta try ;-) |
| 03:24.42 | dpkg | Xenguy: wish i knew |
| 03:24.48 | Xenguy | I know you do |
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| 03:25.16 | Pupeno | how do I know which module should I load to make my network card work (at install time) |
| 03:25.43 | nvz | Pupeno: first step would be knowing what card it is and what chipset it uses |
| 03:25.52 | hachi | Justin_: noted, any suggestions for one that has people in it? (I've never found one that have people alive) |
| 03:26.05 | somiaj | Pupeno: if its pci, lspci should tell you what the chipset is and that should be enough info to find the coresponding module. |
| 03:26.15 | Pupeno | nvz: it is a 3com card, I don't remember exactly which one it is, discover discovered it without any problem. |
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| 03:26.22 | Xenguy | Pupeno: I think you could probably safely assume that it's covered, and if not, there's always 'etherconf' after you've installed |
| 03:26.27 | ecstatix | one thing, what is the difference between apache and apache-perl or the apache-ssl packages? one is plain http, another is http plus support for X? |
| 03:26.28 | Justin_ | hachi: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net, or ask on lkml |
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| 03:26.44 | nvz | Pupeno: well if its 3com then load one of the 3cXXX modules |
| 03:26.58 | simonrvn | ecstatix: -ssl has mod_ssl builtin, and -perl had mod_perl builtin |
| 03:26.58 | hachi | Justin_: thanks, I'll take my chances with IRC first |
| 03:27.01 | windowsrefund | Pupeno: try loading 3c59x |
| 03:27.29 | ecstatix | simonrvn: but they will serve normal http just fine,right? |
| 03:27.48 | nvz | Pupeno: or just get a kernel installed, and a bootloader, reboot and install discover |
| 03:27.49 | Pupeno | windowsrefund: it failed. |
| 03:28.01 | Pupeno | there's no lspci on the CD. :( |
| 03:28.10 | dondelelcaro | ecstatix: yes. |
| 03:28.18 | windowsrefund | Pupeno: dmesg | less |
| 03:28.21 | simonrvn | ecstatix: -ssl had default listening on 443, it can be configured to listen on 80. might need some twiddling |
| 03:28.26 | ecstatix | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 03:28.31 | simonrvn | (but nothing hard) |
| 03:28.35 | windowsrefund | Pupeno: you should see the card listed in there. |
| 03:29.07 | nvz | windowsrefund: you'd assume less is there and not just grep? |
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| 03:29.13 | windowsrefund | Pupeno: once you know the card, you can just google to find out what module supports it. Or you can read the docs in the kernel source (if you have it) to find out |
| 03:29.36 | windowsrefund | nvz: yea I woud |
| 03:29.38 | windowsrefund | would |
| 03:29.41 | windowsrefund | so what |
| 03:29.41 | nvz | Pupeno: what is your install method? |
| 03:30.13 | ecstatix | umm, and what is the meta package for mysql? apt-get install mysql does'nt work, and apt-cache serach mysql shows a lot |
| 03:30.16 | gravity | Nifty. "Command line for newbies" series on linux.com. That'd be good to point someone towards |
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| 03:30.36 | nvz | windowsrefund: well your theory is all messed up.. one grep would be easier, but besides all that, you are telling him to google for his nic module ffs. |
| 03:30.50 | lagCisco | trying to install nvidia drivers using what dpkg nvidia factoid tells me i got the following error |
| 03:30.51 | lagCisco | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.56 | windowsrefund | nvz: so offer him some better advice and get off my back |
| 03:30.58 | windowsrefund | damn |
| 03:31.11 | nvz | how does one google for a nic module without a nic module? you also assum he has a wirless pda? |
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| 03:31.15 | windowsrefund | what's up w/ this channel tonight? |
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| 03:31.35 | windowsrefund | nvz: htf is he on IRC if he doesn't have network connectivity??? |
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| 03:31.45 | somiaj | lagCisco: /msg dpkg nvidia, the package name is nvidia-kernel-src (for woody) -sorce (for testing/unstable) |
| 03:31.45 | Xenguy | nvz: TIMTOWTDI |
| 03:31.52 | nvz | Xenguy: thanks |
| 03:31.53 | MeVeryAngry | hi,, i have a problem here.. apparently my 2.4.22-1 kernel is not compatible with the nvidia drivers .... did anyone here manage to compile the nvidia.o module and install it sucessfully? |
| 03:32.09 | Xenguy | nvz: welcome - words to live by :p |
| 03:32.17 | nvz | Xenguy: words? |
| 03:32.31 | Xenguy | nvz: yeah, like ignore :P |
| 03:32.38 | MikeH | whats teh corrent grub config for a bzImage? |
| 03:32.59 | somiaj | MeVeryAngry: what versino of debian you running? and did you follow all the instructions in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source (or -src) |
| 03:33.03 | lagCisco | somiaj: im beyond that point, already built the deb but when i tried to install that deb i got the error |
| 03:33.12 | noS0BrhT | earlier you recommended I substitute cyrus with courier. Why? |
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| 03:33.22 | nvz | teh meh, yeap, cmon teh meh |
| 03:33.30 | noS0BrhT | cafuego; earlier you recommended I substitute cyrus with courier. Why? |
| 03:33.31 | ecstatix | isthere a recommended guide somewhere for "running a webserver on a debian system"? |
| 03:33.49 | Justin_ | ecstatix: doubt it, too easy |
| 03:34.08 | ecstatix | Justin_: :( |
| 03:34.14 | Ketter | ecstatix: what kind of recommendations are you looking for in the first place ? |
| 03:34.17 | MeVeryAngry | somiaj: yes i did follow, i have just installed debian with debian installer, i was used to compiling and building .debs from nvidia source.. |
| 03:34.19 | windowsrefund | ecstatix: have you checked out tldp.org? |
| 03:34.30 | windowsrefund | ecstatix: lots of good howtos and guides there |
| 03:34.34 | Xenguy | nvz: oh sorry, full moon; it's a perl thing: "There's more than one way to do it" (kinda like their slogan, or one of them) |
| 03:34.38 | gravity | !htod |
| 03:34.38 | dpkg | [htod] qref.sf.net, newbiedoc.sf.net and http://www.tldp.org, or holy trinity of documentation |
| 03:34.45 | nvz | noS0BrhT: for roughly the same reason you installed cyrus in the first place.. which couldnt have been a good one, if you even had a reason |
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| 03:34.57 | somiaj | lagCisco: well there is no package just called 'nvidia-kernel' are you sure its not wanting nvidia-glx |
| 03:34.59 | Tzigane | Hi =) |
| 03:35.04 | Tzigane | We're installing Debian on an ibook... The installer wasn't working properly, so we are attempting to finish the process ourselves... On boot, we're getting "mount: /dev/2/root2: unknown device / pivot_root: No such file or directory / /sbin/init: 338: cannot open dev/console: No such file" |
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| 03:35.08 | Tzigane | Does anyone know what the problem could be? |
| 03:35.17 | ecstatix | Ketter: configuring apache with cgi and php4 support, mysql database backend, gallery and prolly some sort of BLOG. want to try it out on my local machine before i upload to some webhost |
| 03:35.41 | Baton | oh.. how do i get a highres text mode on console (i used to use svgatextmode but it dosnt work with a framebuffer) |
| 03:35.42 | Tzigane | Sorry, it's "/dev2/root2" |
| 03:36.01 | noS0BrhT | nvz; I have not installed cyrus yet. |
| 03:36.03 | nvz | Xenguy: hmm.. I see. well I am not fluent in perl myself. |
| 03:36.04 | gravity | Tzigane: Which installer are you using? |
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| 03:36.16 | Tzigane | Baton: You can put in extra groovy text modes in lilo... I'm using 0x31A which is pretty big |
| 03:36.19 | Xenguy | nvz: heh, me neither, but I like the slogan :-) |
| 03:36.20 | nvz | noS0BrhT: praise $SAVIOR |
| 03:36.25 | Tzigane | gravity: It's the sarge 40mb installer |
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| 03:36.38 | MeVeryAngry | does anyone here have 2.4.22-1 kernel with nvidia installed? |
| 03:36.50 | Xenguy | nvz: besides, 'fluent' is a relative thing ;-) |
| 03:36.54 | Baton | Tzigane: hmm ok.. so how say would i get a 1024x768 or similar sorta text mode |
| 03:36.56 | gravity | Tzigane: You can try asking in #debian-boot. It's still a beta installer. Are you using a daily build image? |
| 03:37.15 | gravity | Tzigane: And, afaik, d-i is broken for ppc right now, so you should probably just go with the old installer |
| 03:37.21 | Tzigane | Baton: I think the 0x31A is the 1024x768.. Or close, anyway... that's just "vga=0x31A" in lilo |
| 03:37.31 | Tzigane | gravity: Groovy, thanks =) |
| 03:37.34 | Ketter | ecstatix: have you installed mysql yet ? |
| 03:37.37 | nvz | Xenguy: are you sure? |
| 03:37.47 | Xenguy | nvz: never |
| 03:37.48 | Tzigane | Yeah, the old installer wasn't working with another ibook... I needed to eject the CD before it interfered with HDD detection |
| 03:37.59 | gravity | Hmmm |
| 03:38.00 | Tzigane | This is a different machine, with slot-loading cdrom |
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| 03:38.04 | Tzigane | So.. May not work =) |
| 03:38.06 | Tzigane | It's the old kernel that does it |
| 03:38.06 | nvz | Xenguy: thought I smelled something |
| 03:38.12 | gravity | Tzigane: Well, hopefully ppc fixes will get moving soon on d-i |
| 03:38.19 | Xenguy | nvz: it's trout =) |
| 03:38.24 | Ketter | ecstatix: if not, apt-get install apache php4 mysql, and check what that gallery needs.. and search for the packs with apt-cache search |
| 03:38.38 | ecstatix | Ketter: ok |
| 03:39.00 | elkrammer | i'm having problems with debian 2.6 kernel image k7... i get Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda2 because of "big image" |
| 03:39.08 | ecstatix | Ketter: actually, there is no install candidate for mysql, which is i am looking for what to isntall. i installed mysql-commona nd mysql-server |
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| 03:39.18 | spuer | hi |
| 03:39.20 | Tzigane | gravity: Yeah, that'd be nice =) |
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| 03:39.31 | nvz | my CD burner refuses to fixate cds under linux. I have tried both scsi emulation and ATAPI, I still have to use windows if I need to close the disc |
| 03:39.40 | somiaj | elkrammer: check the bts, that might be a known bug |
| 03:39.41 | MeVeryAngry | elkrammer: same problem here.. |
| 03:39.42 | noS0BrhT | nvz; I only asked because we where discussing the intallation of a mail server, and he recommended a site which has installation intructios, but they use cyrus. I want to know if I have to make any conf adjustments to the courier config, comparable to what the site author did. By the way, the section of the site in question is http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/cyrus-config.html |
| 03:39.44 | Ketter | ecstatix: mysql-server, it depends on -common |
| 03:39.44 | nvz | or the other linux box |
| 03:39.46 | spuer | how come packages.debian.org isn't available? |
| 03:39.53 | ecstatix | Ketter: okie. |
| 03:39.57 | tempo | i am having trouble sending out email from exim. i am getting an error (which i can't find in the logs) - i just get the error incomplete maildomain when i try to logon to pine. and smtp error |
| 03:40.00 | noS0BrhT | hell that was long-winded. |
| 03:40.31 | Ketter | ecstatix: and there are loads of modules for apache, just search for them.. you prolly need the gd libs for php4 aswell. |
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| 03:40.56 | MeVeryAngry | ok, is there any repository containing .debs for nvidia drivers? |
| 03:40.58 | ecstatix | Ketter: yeah, that's why i was looking for a howto, or someone's experiences with setting up a web-server |
| 03:40.59 | nvz | noS0BrhT: yeap, I hear courier does nice things for local delivery I used something like that once, but it was only for a short time, dont have the resources for it really |
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| 03:41.25 | Xenguy | nvz: a friend recommends k3b (think that's it) - dunno if it will help your situation tho |
| 03:41.48 | ecstatix | k3b is for cd writing, right? |
| 03:41.52 | Ketter | ecstatix: well.. apt-get will get you through it.. |
| 03:42.04 | nvz | ecstatix: among other undesireables |
| 03:42.12 | ecstatix | heh |
| 03:42.19 | Ketter | ecstatix: it will start complaining when you want the impossible |
| 03:42.23 | nvz | damn KDE people |
| 03:42.37 | Xenguy | ecstatix: yep |
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| 03:42.52 | slackz | i setup apache2 it pretty much takes off n goes fine auto indexing wasnt working for somereason out of the box and user authent took me a while but once its there it just runs. |
| 03:42.54 | ecstatix | Ketter: well, i just selected tasksel and chose the SQL server and Web Server package sets |
| 03:43.25 | Ketter | ecstatix: would recommend using apt.. |
| 03:43.25 | slackz | i dont use mysql though |
| 03:43.30 | Ketter | ecstatix: but ey.. |
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| 03:43.39 | Ketter | ecstatix: it's your party |
| 03:43.40 | ecstatix | Ketter: heh, ok |
| 03:43.50 | ecstatix | Ketter: as long as things dont break, i am happy |
| 03:44.23 | Ketter | ecstatix: yeah well.. that's all up to you.. |
| 03:44.39 | gravity | There's nothing wrong with tasksel. It *is* apt |
| 03:44.45 | gravity | Fucking a |
| 03:45.02 | Ketter | gravity: i didn't say there was anything wrong with it, now did I ? |
| 03:45.07 | maher | ok - who wants to help me with my chroot tty login not working? |
| 03:45.08 | gravity | Ketter: You're implying it |
| 03:45.11 | gravity | Ketter: Very strongly |
| 03:45.18 | Ketter | gravity: no, you created the implication that I was.. |
| 03:45.21 | gravity | Ketter: And you said that you should use apt instead, as though they're separate |
| 03:45.28 | Ketter | gravity: and I resent the fact that my words just got twisted backwords |
| 03:45.37 | Ketter | gravity: my prefrence is somehting that I recommend.. |
| 03:45.40 | gravity | Ketter: " would recommend using apt.. |
| 03:45.40 | Xenguy | he said, she said, dum de dum |
| 03:45.48 | gravity | Ketter: tasksel is apt |
| 03:45.49 | maher | getty is dying in the chroot for some reason - when i strace it i get semget(1, 0, 0) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) |
| 03:45.49 | maher | _exit(1) = ? |
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| 03:46.08 | gravity | You get all the benefits of apt when using tasksel |
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| 03:46.49 | Ketter | gravity: hmmm... well, let me put it this way.. |
| 03:47.08 | Ketter | gravity: I don't like the interface |
| 03:47.13 | Ketter | gravity: don't LIKE it |
| 03:47.18 | Ketter | gravity: get it ? |
| 03:47.18 | ecstatix | actually, tasksel can be improved. like there are main package sets, there can be sub packages, and a user can choose to install what he/she wants. like when it says mail server,there should be 4-5 choices inside, install 1 |
| 03:47.18 | gravity | Then use aptitude |
| 03:47.24 | ecstatix | or something of that sort |
| 03:47.24 | dud- | I'm getting pam_limits setrlimit limit #6 errors with SSH, how do I fix them? |
| 03:47.29 | gravity | Ketter: Get the best of all worlds. tasksel is in there. |
| 03:47.37 | gravity | Ketter: Or do you not like that either? |
| 03:48.01 | Ketter | gravity: what's the point of adding another interface it's the same thing ? |
| 03:48.02 | gravity | ecstatix: If you want that, then use either dselect or aptitude. That's more what that does |
| 03:48.05 | Ketter | gravity: it's just plain the same.. |
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| 03:48.11 | Ketter | gravity: you said so yourself |
| 03:48.21 | gravity | Ketter: apt and aptitude are different things |
| 03:48.27 | ecstatix | gravity: dselect is too tough for me. though i sometimes use synaptic |
| 03:48.40 | gravity | ecstatix: Synaptic is good. You might like aptitude also. |
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| 03:49.30 | Ketter | gravity: this is pointless.. |
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| 03:50.02 | gravity | Ketter: Fair enough. Espousing ignorance is worthless. |
| 03:50.05 | Ketter | gravity: a personal pref. for a tool that you want to use is a recommendation. |
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| 03:50.36 | gravity | Ketter: You didn't recommend anything. You said "use apt". He was. |
| 03:50.53 | gravity | Ketter: If you had said "use apt-get" that would have been different (and also dumb) |
| 03:51.00 | Ketter | gravity: you realy can't read, now can you.. |
| 03:51.02 | gravity | Ketter: But tasksel is a good program |
| 03:51.10 | gravity | Ketter: Fuck man, do I have to paste your quote again? |
| 03:51.24 | Kel | All hail king Earl Grey |
| 03:51.33 | Ketter | [04:43.24] < Ketter> ecstatix: would recommend using apt.. |
| 03:51.36 | Ketter | there you go |
| 03:51.39 | Ketter | pff |
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| 03:51.41 | gravity | Right |
| 03:51.47 | gravity | apt != apt-get |
| 03:51.52 | | gravity: are you using Windows? |
| 03:51.52 | gravity | apt != aptitude |
| 03:51.54 | | bugger all, i dunno, gravity |
| 03:51.54 | Ketter | *sigh* |
| 03:51.57 | gravity | apt: Yes |
| 03:51.59 | | You dont say! |
| 03:51.59 | Ketter | here we go again.. |
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| 03:52.32 | slackz | can anyone recommend a vpn firewall? im looking at IPcop or e-smith tried smoothwall already it was a headache |
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| 03:54.18 | bztunk | apt: apt-get |
| 03:54.20 | | [apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
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| 03:55.30 | zu22 | !stats |
| 03:55.30 | dpkg | Since Thu Jan 8 18:53:21 2004, there have been 2 modifications, 109 questions, 39 dunnos, 2 morons and 56 commands. I have been awake for 9h 2m 9s this session, and currently reference 22899 factoids. I'm using about 16332 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 49.45/3.16 child 89.81/6.74 |
| 03:55.35 | sky0 | maher: just guessing, but does your libc (in the jail) support this function? playing around with non-glibc? |
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| 03:56.55 | zu22 | i did a dist-upgrade in gnome and now i cant see any of my window manager menus (when i click with mouse i just see all black in the area where menus would be) and so the gnome-terminal titlebars are also black. |
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| 03:57.37 | zu22 | actually it was a sid upgrade so it may not just be gnome-specific problem |
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| 03:57.43 | zu22 | any ideas how to fix? |
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| 03:57.50 | tracy | can anybody out there tell me any good jokes? |
| 03:58.10 | zu22 | ansi characters are also displaying as invisible or black in my gnome-terminal window |
| 03:58.23 | exobyte | I'm using rsync to copy files over to another system. It started to driull through a symlink that I didn't want it to, so I did ctrl+c, then rm-ed the symlink. It still goes through it. Any ideas? |
| 03:59.04 | tracy | surely theres a sense of humor out there smewhere?????? |
| 03:59.06 | Biggoggs | Hey guys- My printer is printing ascii source instead of the actual document, and I really don't want to read through all the lpd docs. Is there any quick fix? |
| 03:59.27 | FrankTheTank | Biggoggs, yea |
| 03:59.34 | FrankTheTank | Biggoggs, the solution is RTFM ;) |
| 03:59.35 | tracy | yes buy a decent computer |
| 03:59.45 | gravity | tracy: Surely, you're capable of googling for one of the zillion billion internet joke pages out there? |
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| 04:00.15 | Biggoggs | FrankTheTank: That /isn't/ a 'quick' fix- Its a long and ardous period of reading useless material to print a pdf doc |
| 04:00.15 | hacim | how can I look at sar data (/var/sysstat) for a particular time of the day |
| 04:00.36 | Biggoggs | Surely theres some sort of configuration utility |
| 04:00.48 | lazarus | is there some magic i'm unaware of to get swap files to mount themselves on boot, with sid, and kernel 2.6.0? |
| 04:00.50 | FrankTheTank | yea, its called man |
| 04:00.52 | tracy | im sure your capable of telling a good riddle or so |
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| 04:01.08 | gravity | Biggoggs: Try installing magicfilter or cups instead. |
| 04:01.14 | ecstatix | is there a special package that gets the apache start index page where there is a mule standing on the top right? apache seems to be working for me, but there is no index.html/php |
| 04:01.22 | gravity | Biggoggs: You can configure cups using a web interface and you can choose the right printer |
| 04:01.30 | tracy | cmon cmon cmon |
| 04:01.44 | gravity | Biggoggs: The cups package is cupsys, and the magicfilter package has the same name |
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| 04:01.57 | lazarus | /etc/fstab: /dev/hda9 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 04:02.04 | Biggoggs | gravity: Does it use lpd (ie frontend), or is it a new daemon altogether? |
| 04:02.13 | sky0 | Biggoggs: what did you do? lpr foo.pdf ? will not work (w/o minor magic). print from acroread, gv... |
| 04:02.34 | gravity | Biggoggs: I think magicfilter uses lpd frontend, but cups is a whole other daemon, but it's got a compatible interface to any apps |
| 04:03.00 | Biggoggs | sky0: I have- Every time I get '%!PS-Adobe-3.0' [etc etc] |
| 04:03.20 | zu22 | also when i do 'ls' in a gnome-terminal i dont see anything now |
| 04:03.20 | zu22 | any ideas how to fix? |
| 04:03.28 | Biggoggs | Hmm I'll give magicfilter a go and see if it works |
| 04:03.30 | noS0BrhT | I'mm considering downloading devian CD's to have a "real debian" installation. But I see that there are 8 of them Do I need them all? |
| 04:03.46 | lazarus | anyone able to mount swap at boot with kernel 2.6.0? |
| 04:03.48 | bztunk | noS0BrhT: use the netinst |
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| 04:03.55 | maher | hah! - i fixed my chroot getty problem! |
| 04:04.13 | Biggoggs | gravity: It seems I already have magicfilter... |
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| 04:04.28 | gravity | Biggoggs: Did you pick the right printer filter for it? |
| 04:04.31 | sky0 | maher: tell, please. |
| 04:04.42 | gravity | Biggoggs: magicfilterconf (or something close to that) will let you reconfigure it |
| 04:04.42 | bztunk | !netinst |
| 04:04.42 | dpkg | [netinst] a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 04:05.10 | kris | Im trying to compile IPSEC support into the kernel and according to the documentation there is supposed to be a bunch of ipsec options in the networking options of make menuconfig but I dont see them, can someone tell me what might be wrong its kernell 2.4.22 |
| 04:05.10 | maher | sky0: downgrade util-linux to the previous version |
| 04:05.18 | Biggoggs | gravity: Not sure- I'm running magicfilterconfig now, and it seems to have picked up my Canon as a HP Laserjet (?!) |
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| 04:05.34 | debian | noS0BrhT: you can just the first one. netinst is good but I found the interface less intuitivae |
| 04:05.36 | bztunk | kris: you (may) need a patch? |
| 04:05.39 | gravity | Biggoggs: That's just the default. You've got to specify which one you want. It won't detect it. |
| 04:05.40 | debian | s/just/just use |
| 04:06.21 | Biggoggs | Where can I get a list of the 'input filters'? |
| 04:06.44 | noS0BrhT | dpkg; that option is more agreeable. Thanks! |
| 04:06.45 | dpkg | noS0BrhT: what are you talking about? |
| 04:06.52 | gravity | Biggoggs: It should either print one or tell you how to list them |
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| 04:07.11 | noS0BrhT | debian; hmmm |
| 04:07.24 | Bac9 | anyone else get oopses on boot of 2.4.23 and 2.4.24? |
| 04:07.27 | debian | dpkg is a bot |
| 04:07.27 | dpkg | debian: no idea |
| 04:07.44 | mwilson | Bac9: Not me. |
| 04:07.56 | Bac9 | mwilson: consider yourself lucky then |
| 04:08.02 | mwilson | Why? |
| 04:08.04 | tvn | why ? |
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| 04:08.14 | trans_err | i'm getting root= invalid errors when i try the 2.6 deb in sid |
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| 04:08.17 | Biggoggs | gravity: It has /some/ printers of 'bjXXX', but there doesn't seem to be one- At least I'm on the right track |
| 04:08.24 | trans_err | any ideas? |
| 04:08.26 | Bac9 | mwilson: because oopses are anoying... unless of course you like them, then by all means |
| 04:08.26 | debian | Bac9: I got totall hangup |
| 04:08.29 | mwilson | This box has been running 2.4.23 for 35 days with no problems. |
| 04:08.42 | gravity | Biggoggs: Doesn't seem to be the one you need? That's actually pretty likely, the package is orphaned. |
| 04:08.51 | gravity | Biggoggs: So it hasn't been updated at all in a while. |
| 04:08.52 | mwilson | One of these days I'll get around to rebooting to the .24 I built. |
| 04:09.08 | Biggoggs | ahh... abandonware. So what does the populus use thesedays? :) |
| 04:09.15 | Bac9 | debian: I just get oopses and a dead box... so back to 2.4.22 :-) |
| 04:09.15 | gravity | Biggoggs: cups |
| 04:09.27 | debian | Bac9: it could be due to some option I use, and my SMP, or my hybrid of scsi and proprietary scsi card, and my non-standard ata attached to it. Anyway, it doesn't has such behavior in 2.4.22, same here |
| 04:09.28 | gravity | Biggoggs: The future of UNIX Printing (tm) |
| 04:09.42 | Biggoggs | hah oh ok |
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| 04:09.56 | Bac9 | debian: or it could be that 2.4.23 and 2.4.24 are just buggy :-) |
| 04:10.15 | debian | Bac9: may be thre's oops in the console, but I failed to switchto it after it hanged |
| 04:10.35 | Bac9 | debian: you meen you actially get to runlevel2? wow |
| 04:10.50 | debian | Bac9: there must be something that hit us, I'd kow how to track it so that I culd report it |
| 04:11.10 | debian | Bac9: nope, that was my server |
| 04:11.12 | mwilson | Bac9: I use pristine kernel sources, no patches, and never build with gcc 3.x... maybe that has something to do with it. |
| 04:11.39 | debian | mwilson: I've been thinking about it, but even so, I may not be able to track the source of error |
| 04:11.52 | debian | Bac9: may be you could, as you can see the oops message |
| 04:11.56 | Bac9 | mwilson: I just build with default sarge compiler the sources from kernel.org |
| 04:12.03 | debian | while I couldnt't, it just hanged |
| 04:12.06 | mwilson | debian: What oopses? It's not like it's not recorded. |
| 04:12.10 | bztunk | mwilson: you are still using gcc 2.95? |
| 04:12.19 | mwilson | bztunk: For kernels? Of course. |
| 04:12.27 | Bac9 | debian: it oopses in the iptables code somewhere... but as I am not good at reading oopses I cannot tell you more than that |
| 04:12.39 | debian | mwilson: that's what bothered me. The problem is repeatable but I can get much info about it |
| 04:12.44 | bztunk | mwilson: heh ok |
| 04:12.46 | debian | I can't* |
| 04:12.48 | tvn | I use gcc 3.3 from Sarge and built 2.4.23 .24 without any problem |
| 04:12.55 | Bac9 | mwilson: and where's the oops recorded? have not seen a single log file with it |
| 04:13.05 | debian | Bac9: then different story. I don't use iptables in that box |
| 04:13.26 | Kawfee | !debianstrike debian |
| 04:13.26 | dpkg | ~penixstrike debian |
| 04:13.38 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking debian to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:13.38 | debian | tvn: it might not hit you. May be it's due to my hardware |
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| 04:13.38 | debian | apt is dead? |
| 04:13.40 | | i don't know, debian |
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| 04:13.42 | Kawfee | haha |
| 04:13.42 | Bac9 | debian: donno then, maybe different oopses |
| 04:13.45 | Biggoggs | gravity: magicfilter didn't seem to fix it :/ |
| 04:13.47 | debian | !rahulstrike kawfee |
| 04:13.48 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit kawfee but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 04:13.55 | debian | Kawfee: hya |
| 04:13.58 | Kawfee | hi |
| 04:14.14 | debian | Bac9: yeah |
| 04:14.18 | gravity | Biggoggs: Sorry. You can try out CUPS still. There may be other options too that I'm not aware of, in terms of extra filters |
| 04:14.31 | mwilson | Bac9: If it's not in your log, how do you know it's oopsing? |
| 04:14.37 | Biggoggs | What's the package name for cups? |
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| 04:14.44 | debian | mwilson: oops goes to log? |
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| 04:14.47 | Kawfee | PENIX! |
| 04:14.55 | Kawfee | !penix butter |
| 04:14.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, penix butter is what you get from using KY Jelly |
| 04:14.57 | Bac9 | mwilson: because I can see it oopsing while it boots |
| 04:14.58 | debian | let's greet him with penixstrike. :) |
| 04:15.14 | bztunk | Penix: hi2u |
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| 04:15.30 | debian | Kawfee: ahah |
| 04:15.31 | mwilson | debian: Usually. |
| 04:15.50 | debian | Kawfee: penix butter is a *byproduct* of ky jelly. :) |
| 04:15.58 | Kawfee | exactly |
| 04:16.15 | maher | debian: oopses often don't make it logs cos your machine has just gone down |
| 04:16.15 | Bac9 | mwilson: to tell the truth out of all the times Linux oopsed on me (no matter which version), I have yet to see it recorded in any log file |
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| 04:16.38 | fooz | well.. if it panics it won't get into any logs |
| 04:17.06 | dud- | blah |
| 04:17.35 | mwilson | I think in all the times I've had my box oops, it's only NOT been recorded once. |
| 04:17.47 | debian | mwilson: I see |
| 04:18.06 | trans_err | 2.6 deb is telling me to append the correct root= argument... but when i do it tells me that it is unable to open /dev/hda1 (my root) |
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| 04:18.18 | debian | fooz: similarly when I panic. :) |
| 04:18.19 | fooz | linux will halt outright on calls to panic().. but actual kernel bugs like a null pointer deref.. those get caught in a handler and printed to dmesg (and logged) |
| 04:18.27 | dud- | my auth.log keeps getting spammed with stuff like this "pam_limits[7048]: setrlimit limit #6" how would I fix that? |
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| 04:18.30 | noS0BrhT | If MySQL contains a users table with the following entry "home varchar(128) not null default '/var/mail" does this mean that that directory is targeted to store email for all users? In other words, is that the "base" email directory. The question is rooted on deciding how to partition. |
| 04:18.33 | fooz | they'll get logged so long as the bug doesn't happen in some system critical to logging, such as the block IO system, or a filesystem |
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| 04:18.48 | hsaliak | yeah , as an oops |
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| 04:19.48 | fooz | i like grsecurity |
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| 04:19.51 | Justin_ | noS0BrhT: no |
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| 04:20.26 | fooz | i'm going to make an unbreakable box |
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| 04:20.40 | hsaliak | fooz: shutting it down? |
| 04:20.43 | fooz | no |
| 04:21.04 | streuner | fooz: Titan? |
| 04:21.07 | fooz | i'll run a public shell service or something |
| 04:21.26 | noS0BrhT | Justin_: so if I only have a "swap", "/", and "/home" I can tell Postfix that $HOMEDIR is /home/mail? |
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| 04:21.58 | Kawfee | zoof! |
| 04:22.03 | Justin_ | noS0BrhT: uh, i think you should not change things you don't understand |
| 04:22.13 | fooz | i'm not zoof |
| 04:22.26 | hsaliak | zoof fooz whats the difference |
| 04:22.27 | noS0BrhT | Justin_; hell, I'm trying to understand, give me a break. |
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| 04:22.40 | g4lt | he's oozf today |
| 04:22.41 | thomas_adam | noS0BrhT: He's always like it |
| 04:22.52 | fooz | zoof is what I keep in my pants. my name is fooz, though |
| 04:22.52 | noS0BrhT | I've been RTFM all day long, and know I'm just asking for clarification. |
| 04:22.57 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: and you always cheafuly give people incorrect information |
| 04:23.15 | thomas_adam | Justin_: cheafuly? |
| 04:23.17 | hsaliak | cheafuly <- is that a real word? |
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| 04:23.31 | g4lt | it's typoese |
| 04:23.37 | kris | if i chose to use a vanilla kernel will i lose the ability to do security updates? |
| 04:23.39 | thomas_adam | perhaps he means 'cheerily'? |
| 04:23.48 | Biggoggs | What's the print command for cups? |
| 04:23.52 | noS0BrhT | Now boys, don't querrel on my account. |
| 04:23.54 | hsaliak | a typoesque conversation into which zeeble blaburngly walks in |
| 04:23.55 | Justin_ | that too |
| 04:23.56 | zu22 | i did a dist-upgrade in sid and now i cant see any of my window manager menus (when i click with mouse i just see all black in the area where menus would be) and also the gnome-terminal titlebars are also mostly black and in irc some ANSI control characters are now all black or invisible. how can i fix this? |
| 04:23.57 | zeeble | kris no |
| 04:23.59 | The_Vulture | cheerfully is a word |
| 04:24.05 | The_Vulture | that's only 2 chars away from what he wrote |
| 04:24.05 | zeeble | hsaliak hiyas |
| 04:24.13 | kris | zeeble is there any downside? |
| 04:24.18 | zeeble | tie-pohs are always nice |
| 04:24.24 | newby4 | if I want to mirror the debian archives, and have my users connect via ftp... do i just set up guest access to do this? And they can just have ftp.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list? How can I make my ftp server automatically serve up a specific directory for ftp access for these guests? |
| 04:24.34 | Justin_ | 8 year old laptop...keys..stick... |
| 04:24.59 | zeeble | kris no. the problem is only if your plain vanilla kernel is exploitable. you are advised to upgrade to the latest stable in the 2.4.x tree, ie 2.4.24 |
| 04:25.03 | Sinistrad | Justin_, you know as well as I that the age of your laptop has no relation to why the keys are sticking. |
| 04:25.15 | hsaliak | i am going to cheesefully eat some bread |
| 04:25.16 | Justin_ | Sinistrad: huh? |
| 04:25.19 | hsaliak | Sinistrad: lol |
| 04:25.26 | Justin_ | newby4: why do you want to use ftp? |
| 04:25.30 | mwilson | So... let us see what's been updated today.. |
| 04:25.38 | det | how can I find what package provicde a virtual package? specificly j2re1.4 ? |
| 04:25.48 | mwilson | det: Nothing does. |
| 04:25.49 | newby4 | Justin_, seems like the easiest way... is there an easier, less resource intensive way? |
| 04:25.50 | kris | zeeble thanks |
| 04:25.52 | zeeble | det blackdown apt-get.org |
| 04:26.04 | Justin_ | newby4: you're not running a web server? |
| 04:26.08 | hsaliak | zeeble: is det a command? |
| 04:26.09 | zeeble | det there is a sources.list entry for that package |
| 04:26.16 | hsaliak | oh ok, oops |
| 04:26.18 | zeeble | hsaliak det being a nick |
| 04:26.28 | hsaliak | zeeble: yea my bad :) |
| 04:26.31 | zeeble | hsaliak finish eating your cheesey bread foo |
| 04:26.32 | hsaliak | zeeble: hows you |
| 04:26.37 | det | ohh |
| 04:26.39 | newby4 | Justin_, no. |
| 04:26.50 | hsaliak | zeeble: i start my job tomorrow :) kernel hacking fun |
| 04:26.55 | zeeble | hsaliak nice. last year at undergrad. so. |
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| 04:26.58 | hsaliak | well..e rr next working day |
| 04:27.02 | Justin_ | newby4: oh. then just set the ftp root to what you want |
| 04:27.16 | zeeble | hsaliak what job? the clustering thing you did for summers extended? |
| 04:27.26 | det | so there are packages in debian which depend on package which are only in an alternative sources ? |
| 04:27.27 | newby4 | Justin_, I just edit the /etc/ftpchroot to what then? The directory I want to serve up? |
| 04:27.33 | pzrael | i'm looking to chroot an environment for sshd access for certain users, what is the best way to do this? |
| 04:27.35 | hsaliak | clustering? |
| 04:27.37 | lazarus | anyone? swap in kernel 2.6.0? |
| 04:27.41 | Justin_ | newby4: depends on the ftpd |
| 04:27.44 | hsaliak | zeeble: no its some internet security related |
| 04:27.46 | Kawfee | fooz, yes you are |
| 04:27.48 | zeeble | hsaliak you did some fbsd clustering work, right? |
| 04:27.59 | newby4 | Justin_, what is the easiest one to set up for this? ftpd? wu-ftpd? |
| 04:28.01 | bob2 | lazarus: nothing has changed wrt to swap. |
| 04:28.02 | zeeble | hsaliak anyway, good luck. work's always nice when you are doing something intersting |
| 04:28.12 | Kawfee | fooz, you zoof! |
| 04:28.16 | bob2 | newby4: you want to run a local mirror? |
| 04:28.18 | zeeble | hsaliak in .sg? |
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| 04:28.23 | hsaliak | zeeble: yep |
| 04:28.27 | newby4 | bob2, yes. |
| 04:28.28 | lazarus | bob2: damn damn and triple damn |
| 04:28.38 | det | why is blackdown not in official debian ? |
| 04:28.44 | bob2 | lazarus: mkswap it again if you're worried. |
| 04:28.44 | Justin_ | newby4: vsftpd? |
| 04:28.45 | lazarus | bob2: OOM in 2.6.0, but not in 2.4.x :/ |
| 04:28.46 | The_Vulture | licensing |
| 04:28.50 | bob2 | det: because the license is horrific. |
| 04:28.51 | newby4 | bob2, i've already started using the anonftpsync, but need a way to serve up the packages... preferably using ftp |
| 04:28.54 | bob2 | lazarus: I've had that, too. |
| 04:29.00 | newby4 | Justin_, i'll look into that one... |
| 04:29.02 | zeeble | hsaliak my gf is moving there in may. she's got a job there post completion of undergrad |
| 04:29.04 | lazarus | bob2: i'm wondering why it won't mount there, but will here |
| 04:29.04 | kris | does anyone know how to unpatch 2.4.22 to use IPSEC? |
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| 04:29.28 | hsaliak | in sg? |
| 04:29.31 | lazarus | bob2: the memory pressure under 2.6.0 is too great to even allow a login |
| 04:29.31 | bob2 | newby4: you want an actual, full mriror? |
| 04:29.34 | bob2 | kris: 2.4.22 in Debian includes an ipsec stack. do you mean "how do I remove the existing ipsec stack from the Debian kernel source packages so I can use freeswan"? |
| 04:29.39 | hsaliak | zeeble: you are in india now right |
| 04:29.41 | zeeble | hsaliak yeah. in abn-amro |
| 04:29.44 | zeeble | hsaliak yeah |
| 04:29.51 | bob2 | lazarus: eek, I just had it nuking things when I left it alone for too long |
| 04:29.51 | hsaliak | cool |
| 04:29.52 | kris | bob exactly |
| 04:29.55 | fooz | which one did they put in it? usagi? |
| 04:29.57 | newby4 | bob2, I want a partiall mirror, of testing/stable/unstable, of 386 architecture... which i'm getting... i just need a way to serve it up |
| 04:29.59 | hsaliak | are you working? |
| 04:30.00 | Biggoggs | How does CUPS accept jobs? |
| 04:30.01 | pvalley | ok i have a a wyse-60 terminal an a modem cable/w null modem how do i display stuff on the wyse-60? |
| 04:30.23 | zeeble | hsaliak not right now. i have 2 offers, but i think i want to do my masters. not exactly sure |
| 04:30.26 | The_Vulture | Biggoggs: through the standard lpr type stuff, but also from the network, the cups docs are reasonably comprehensive |
| 04:30.28 | bob2 | newby4: install a ftp/http server, that's it. |
| 04:30.33 | bob2 | kris: just get the source from kernel.org |
| 04:30.42 | bob2 | fooz: dave miller's backport of the 2.6 stack. |
| 04:30.43 | hsaliak | zeeble: i see |
| 04:30.51 | fooz | bob2, leet |
| 04:30.52 | Justin_ | pvalley: google.com/search?q=+serial+terminal+howto |
| 04:31.03 | zeeble | hsaliak though i make more than a fair bit with some work i do for peeps, i like to grossly overcharge for services |
| 04:31.03 | newby4 | bob2, ok, i know that, i'm just trying to figure out the specifics of how to configure it... guess its back to rtfm... |
| 04:31.09 | fooz | pvalley, set the serial parameters on the terminal to something, set linux's to the same, then write to the serial port |
| 04:31.12 | kris | bob2 thats one way of undoing it ;) im already working on it just hoping for something a bit easier |
| 04:31.18 | Biggoggs | lmfao- CUPS is printing rawtext |
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| 04:31.30 | lazarus | bob2: well, i "leave it alone" long enough to hope to login :( |
| 04:31.31 | Biggoggs | Something must be seriously wrong with lpd |
| 04:31.35 | fooz | pvalley, if you want to run logins on it, look into getty(8) |
| 04:31.54 | tempo | anyone know how to fix smtp on exim? i am having some problems. i am not sure where my error is. i can't find any error in my logs |
| 04:32.04 | pvalley | ok i will look into both |
| 04:32.21 | bob2 | newby4: just add a Directory entry for apache to point at your local mirror, then it will all Just Work. |
| 04:32.31 | fooz | pvalley, don't bother setting up getty until you can talk to it with a comms program like minicom first |
| 04:32.36 | newby4 | bob2, i just told Justin_ that I'm not running apache |
| 04:32.36 | fooz | pvalley, it'll save you brain cells |
| 04:32.41 | bob2 | kris: get the kernel-source-2.4.22 .diff.gz and remove it from your unpackaed tree. |
| 04:32.52 | pvalley | ok |
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| 04:33.01 | bob2 | newby4: then however you normally configure your http/ftp server. it's nothing to do with Debian, just regaulr directory serving. |
| 04:33.19 | bob2 | kris: note that 2.4.22 is a very broken kernel, that has at least two local root flaws. |
| 04:33.27 | fooz | even the debian version? |
| 04:33.31 | bob2 | lazarus: eek, how much actual ram do you have? |
| 04:33.38 | bob2 | fooz: sarge/sid don't get ecurity fixes. |
| 04:33.41 | fooz | ah |
| 04:33.42 | newby4 | bob2, part of what i want to do it set it up so that everyone can read from the ftp share, but no one can upload to it... |
| 04:33.46 | kris | bob2 im moving up to 2.4.24 |
| 04:33.49 | fooz | i never use debian kernels :) |
| 04:33.55 | zeeble | kris go ahead |
| 04:34.09 | lazarus | bob2: how to know? |
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| 04:34.19 | zeeble | free? |
| 04:34.21 | lazarus | bob2: Mem: 126008 123488 2520 0 34416 7912 |
| 04:34.26 | bob2 | fooz: heh, me either. |
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| 04:34.35 | bob2 | lazarus: ~128MB, should be plenty to login at least. |
| 04:34.45 | fooz | server has 2.4.24 with propolice and grsec in it |
| 04:34.53 | bob2 | newby4: that's a normal ftp server config thing. why do you have your heart set on an ftp server so badly? |
| 04:34.54 | zeeble | fooz what patches? con kolivas's patchies? or grsec? |
| 04:34.58 | fooz | all kinds |
| 04:34.59 | bob2 | fooz: grsec and usagi here. |
| 04:35.07 | lazarus | bob2: i keep getting Out of Memory: killed apache, bind, you name it |
| 04:35.09 | bob2 | fooz: selinux looks like fun, though. |
| 04:35.11 | fooz | i've used the contexts patch, grsec, systrace from OpenBSD.. |
| 04:35.12 | bob2 | kris: coool, good idea. |
| 04:35.16 | fooz | bob2, I've never once got selinux to work |
| 04:35.18 | newby4 | bob2, it seems like the simplest way to serve up these files... since i'm not running apache |
| 04:35.21 | bob2 | lazarus: no sweap mounted? |
| 04:35.23 | zeeble | no! selinux is weird |
| 04:35.27 | lazarus | bob2: apparently not |
| 04:35.34 | zeeble | they want you to read everything :( |
| 04:35.36 | bob2 | newby4: if you install apache or another httpd, you will have this working within 2 minutes. |
| 04:35.37 | fooz | bob2, tried it in debian, and it panicked the kernel on boot (in the init scripts??) |
| 04:35.46 | Justin_ | lazarus: thats what you get for using a 486 :-P |
| 04:35.46 | lazarus | bob2: how do you see that anyway? |
| 04:35.54 | lazarus | bob2: i always use top to tell |
| 04:35.54 | fooz | bob2, other times it didn't build, or build and booted but would not enable.. |
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| 04:36.00 | bob2 | fooz: hah. you need to install a bunch of support packages, or else the init scripts won't be able to do jack, afaik. |
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| 04:36.05 | newby4 | bob2, wouldn't ftpd be the least drain on resources though? |
| 04:36.05 | fooz | bob2, either it's busted or i'm really dumb, cause I can't make it work |
| 04:36.16 | lazarus | bob2: there has to be some swap-specific command i'd expect |
| 04:36.18 | pvalley | fooz one more thing i want to make sure i have it connected right i should be using the modem port on the back of the wyse 60 correct? |
| 04:36.21 | det | !tell det about polls |
| 04:36.21 | fooz | bob2, no, it wouldn't even work in insecure mode changing to secure mode |
| 04:36.24 | Justin_ | !+info webfs |
| 04:36.25 | thomas_adam | newby4: not to mention, ftp is a security risk |
| 04:36.29 | zeeble | fooz erad the whole of the selinux doc before using. you have to go down the page and download modified init scripts |
| 04:36.31 | dpkg | webfs: (lightweight http server for static content), section web, is optional. Version: 1.20 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 04:36.32 | bob2 | newby4: ftpd or apache will consume a very few mb's each. |
| 04:36.41 | fooz | zeeble, done that |
| 04:36.45 | zeeble | thttpd is a nice web server |
| 04:36.46 | bob2 | lazarus: boot to single user mode. |
| 04:36.54 | Justin_ | that too |
| 04:36.54 | bob2 | haha, 164KB. |
| 04:36.59 | fooz | pvalley, usually it's labeled "Serial 1" |
| 04:36.59 | zeeble | fooz still? though i did it in a RH box |
| 04:37.03 | lazarus | bob2: hmmm |
| 04:37.12 | lazarus | bob2: but then what do i do? |
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| 04:37.16 | Justin_ | webfs had a dsa a while ago though :-/a |
| 04:37.17 | pvalley | ok then i goot it right |
| 04:37.23 | pvalley | thanks |
| 04:37.25 | Justin_ | and I think thttpds had a few... |
| 04:37.30 | fooz | I couldn't get selinux to authenticate me into any roles |
| 04:37.41 | fooz | if you can't get into a role, then a role-based access control system is useless |
| 04:37.50 | zeeble | fooz haha. chuck it. its too much of a botheranyway |
| 04:38.00 | fooz | yeah. grsecurity is not as flexible, but it works |
| 04:38.01 | bob2 | lazarus: mount swap and continue startup. |
| 04:38.03 | zeeble | fooz you are doing grsec, so stick to it |
| 04:38.51 | Biggoggs | Ok, I don't have lpstat or lpadmin- Have I got a broken package or is it an 'optional component'? |
| 04:39.01 | lazarus | bob2: just 'mount /dev/hda9'? |
| 04:39.07 | somiaj | hmm, is there more than just the candian cup herring run on tux racer, I've won that cup but can't select any other events. |
| 04:39.31 | bob2 | lazarus: swapon /dev/whatever |
| 04:39.39 | bob2 | Biggoggs: for cups? |
| 04:39.48 | Biggoggs | for lpd |
| 04:40.23 | lazarus | bob2: it's been aeons sincee i messed wiith the installer |
| 04:40.29 | bob2 | !+find bin/lpstate |
| 04:40.36 | helix` | !spank bob2 |
| 04:40.39 | bob2 | lazarus: "Linux 1" at the lilo prompt |
| 04:40.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/lpstate' returned no results. |
| 04:40.42 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 04:40.49 | bob2 | !+find bin/lpstat |
| 04:40.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpstat' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/lpstat) in net/cupsys-client,net/lprng. |
| 04:41.01 | zeeble | why do you 2 always fondle and snap at each other? |
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| 04:41.05 | zeeble | and that too everyday? |
| 04:41.07 | lazarus | bob2: i meant to remember swapon, heh |
| 04:41.22 | bob2 | lazarus: ah. |
| 04:41.25 | bob2 | zeeble: why not? |
| 04:41.30 | bob2 | !kill zeeble |
| 04:41.37 | helix` | !catattack zeeble |
| 04:41.38 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on zeeble's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 04:41.45 | zeeble | bob2 how do you regenerate so much flesh everyday? |
| 04:41.48 | bob2 | Biggoggs: seems to only come with cupsys-client and lprng |
| 04:41.57 | bob2 | zeeble: I have buns of steel! |
| 04:42.09 | zeeble | hmm, steely dan and steely bun |
| 04:42.25 | helix` | some of these html emails i receive have a fancier stylesheet than my entire website |
| 04:42.39 | zeeble | well, send some to me. i suck at html |
| 04:43.10 | helix` | bob2: i had to order lush |
| 04:43.13 | helix` | damnit |
| 04:43.27 | bob2 | helix`: haha. |
| 04:43.40 | bob2 | helix`: I think I might go to their store on the weekened. |
| 04:43.51 | helix` | i h8 u |
| 04:44.10 | zeeble | heh |
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| 04:44.27 | zeeble | lonestar.org is still working? |
| 04:44.30 | gravity | !helix |
| 04:44.30 | zeeble | wow |
| 04:44.30 | dpkg | helix is, like, see gnome1.2, or ask me about "removing helixcode", or una seductora, or http://www.double-helix.org/etc/effoff.JPG |
| 04:44.36 | va3atc | zeeble : Yup |
| 04:44.43 | helix` | !gravity |
| 04:44.43 | g4lt | order lush? does that mean you guys have booze delivery there or something? |
| 04:44.44 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover |
| 04:44.52 | helix` | g4lt: worse. soap. |
| 04:45.03 | zeeble | va3atc they have a rule to remove old usernames, right? i guess i must have lost mine eons back |
| 04:45.05 | gravity | helix`: I couldn't get that site to load last night |
| 04:45.13 | helix` | gravity: it's back up |
| 04:45.17 | gravity | Ah, so it is |
| 04:45.19 | zeeble | va3atc can you check if user zeeble exists :) |
| 04:45.22 | helix` | gravity: they have one in boston! |
| 04:45.33 | gravity | helix`: I recognize the logo. I see tourists with their bags near my place |
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| 04:45.43 | Biggoggs | Is this right- lpd only has drivers for HP and EPSON? |
| 04:45.43 | bob2 | helix`: haha, nice picture. |
| 04:45.44 | helix` | wow |
| 04:45.48 | helix` | so they must be down the street |
| 04:45.50 | helix` | bob2: ;P |
| 04:45.52 | va3atc | zeeble : I've used lonestar for quite some time so as a new year resolution I paid my dues |
| 04:45.58 | gravity | helix`: About a ten minute walk or so, yeah |
| 04:46.06 | phyx | is there an debian alpha channel? |
| 04:46.07 | helix` | l;sk;aksd;aksd |
| 04:46.11 | helix` | i h8 u 2 |
| 04:46.17 | zeeble | va3atc great. if they are working, they need to be. guess i'll reg too |
| 04:46.31 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 04:47.05 | helix` | gravity: i actually considered going to boston to go to that store |
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| 04:47.39 | wpostma | can I make a list of non-free package names from the command line somehow? (via apt-cache or something?) |
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| 04:48.26 | chris | Hi um my x server wont start..it says no core pointers found.. |
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| 04:48.31 | kris | bob2 im unable to find .diff in the 2.4.24 source |
| 04:48.31 | bob2 | kris: eh? it'll be on the Debian mirror. |
| 04:48.31 | bob2 | wpostma: vrms. |
| 04:48.31 | gravity | helix`: Come on over. We'll try out bathsalts or something |
| 04:48.35 | gravity | Although I don't know how clean my bath is... my roomate and his girlfriend use it together... |
| 04:48.43 | zeeble | what does this package - wwwconfig-cmoon do? |
| 04:48.47 | va3atc | zeeble : I can't find your account in /arpa/tz/z |
| 04:48.54 | helix` | gravity: ew. people have been banned for less than that. |
| 04:49.01 | zeeble | va3atc it was a free account. from waaaay back |
| 04:49.02 | gravity | Hehe |
| 04:49.07 | helix` | :| |
| 04:49.11 | gravity | helix`: For having roomates? |
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| 04:49.12 | va3atc | zeeble : though I think they moved my home directory when I paid |
| 04:49.17 | helix` | oh ok |
| 04:49.22 | gravity | helix`: I'm so confused |
| 04:49.28 | helix` | gravity: np, if you want to try bathsalts out on your own :) |
| 04:50.03 | sky0 | wpostma: it might be easier to start with a directory listing of a ftp/http mirror. |
| 04:50.19 | gravity | Again... this is getting to be a theme |
| 04:50.19 | kris | bob2 is it called just .diff.gz? |
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| 04:50.19 | zeeble | va3atc yeah, paid users have a different tree. and it is a faster server |
| 04:50.19 | gravity | helix`: Ah. I see. No, I wasn't thinking like that. |
| 04:50.19 | gravity | Although I guess that's an option too |
| 04:50.19 | bob2 | kris: no, it's named after the package. |
| 04:50.20 | gravity | Vegan massage bars? Christ. |
| 04:50.20 | gravity | helix`: No wonder why you like this place :-) |
| 04:50.31 | helix` | gravity: heh, exaaaaaaactly |
| 04:50.35 | helix` | gravity: i bought one of those |
| 04:50.37 | JasonBoxSleep | When I'm restoring files across a network, is there some way to preserve directory dates -- I've tried rsync and tar and cpio over ssh and the restored directories are all created with the current date and time |
| 04:50.41 | wpostma | vrms: Virtual richard M Stallman. What the? I have to try that. |
| 04:50.49 | gravity | helix`: Which one? |
| 04:50.59 | helix` | wpostma: for other fun and new developments, try apt-get moo |
| 04:51.00 | va3atc | zeeble : The increase in speed I have noticed :) |
| 04:51.03 | zeeble | JasonBoxSleep restoring how? |
| 04:51.04 | helix` | gravity: therapy, it hink |
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| 04:51.10 | helix` | s/it hink/i think/ |
| 04:51.11 | zeeble | va3atc yeahm, all SUN boxes |
| 04:51.30 | zeeble | va3atc or so i have heard |
| 04:51.31 | gravity | helix`: I think I'm going to have to go in, just to see. Although the smell in those kinds of places gets me high in minutes. |
| 04:51.37 | gravity | helix`: Which is fun in its own way. |
| 04:51.41 | helix` | heh |
| 04:51.53 | JasonBoxSleep | zeeble: From an online backup |
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| 04:51.59 | helix` | gravity: there's one down the street from you, a 30 minute drive from karsten, and not sure how far from bob2 |
| 04:52.10 | helix` | gravity: none by me. NOT EVEN IN NYC! |
| 04:52.19 | va3atc | zeeble : Any idea what command to find out? |
| 04:52.21 | kris | bob2 hate to be a pain, but im not quite sure what package it is that im looking for. Ive only found a small but of information about this problem through google |
| 04:52.28 | zeeble | va3atc find what? |
| 04:52.29 | gravity | helix`: You lose! |
| 04:52.33 | helix` | i do |
| 04:52.35 | helix` | i so lose |
| 04:52.38 | kris | s/but/bit |
| 04:52.39 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:52.45 | bob2 | kris: what are you trying to do now? |
| 04:52.45 | JasonBoxSleep | zeeble: Like my home directory is dated Dec 21 on the backup; On the restore it's dated Jan 08 2004 |
| 04:52.47 | va3atc | zeeble : OS (sun or not) |
| 04:52.48 | zeeble | JasonBoxSleep how are you restoring? using tar, or what? |
| 04:52.52 | wpostma | vrms is totally nifty. What would be even niftier is details on how 'free/unfree' the various bits are. I notice XMame is non-free. |
| 04:52.52 | gravity | helix`: Although, in reality, you win because it's fucking cold here |
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| 04:53.05 | JasonBoxSleep | zeeble: So far I've tried rsync, and cpio and tar using ssh as the transport |
| 04:53.06 | Biggoggs | Ok, I've come to the conclusion that linux is a real bitch when it comes to setting up printers |
| 04:53.10 | zeeble | va3atc might be lame, but try uname -a. |
| 04:53.14 | JasonBoxSleep | Biggoggs: yes |
| 04:53.14 | helix` | gravity: heh, yeah it's like 55 here.. |
| 04:53.15 | kris | bob2 Im just trying to recompile my kernel with ipsec |
| 04:53.19 | bob2 | Biggoggs: no, cups is trivial. |
| 04:53.27 | gravity | wpostma: It tells you the reasoning usually |
| 04:53.34 | bob2 | kris: dude, 2.4.22 HAS ipsec. what are you ACTUALLY trying to do now. |
| 04:53.34 | va3atc | zeeble : NetBSD sdf 1.6.1 NetBSD 1.6.1 (sdf) #0: Fri Jan 2 00:59:36 UTC 2004 |
| 04:53.37 | helix` | gravity: lush stuff is what i'm trolling for (or was) for my bday |
| 04:53.40 | bob2 | Biggoggs: what sort of printer? |
| 04:53.40 | gravity | helix`: Damn you |
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| 04:53.46 | bob2 | helix`: past tense? |
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| 04:53.51 | gravity | helix`: Is that a really big hint there? |
| 04:53.53 | helix` | bob2: yeah, since i bought some finally |
| 04:53.55 | Biggoggs | bob2: Not when the f*king printer continually spews pdf source instead of doing what its `sposed to |
| 04:53.59 | bob2 | wpostma: that's a very subjective judgement, though. |
| 04:54.00 | Biggoggs | Canon BJC-4310SP |
| 04:54.00 | noS0BrhT | OK Folks, I now have a spanking new mail server with the whole ball of wax. So How do I make an image of this monster for Disaster Recovery? |
| 04:54.17 | helix` | gravity: you weren't around when i was harassing karsten and bob2 |
| 04:54.23 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 04:54.25 | zeeble | Biggoggs goto mandrakeuser.org they have a nice cups config howto there. it is not mandrake specific |
| 04:54.29 | helix` | or i would have harassed you too |
| 04:54.31 | JasonBoxSleep | noS0BrhT: I tend to like using rsync for that |
| 04:54.37 | zeeble | Biggoggs i set it up the first time using it |
| 04:54.38 | kris | bob2 when i installed freeswan it said that ipsec needs to be built into the kernel ands when i downloaded the source and went into make menuconfig , I wasnt able to find anything about building it into the kernel |
| 04:54.49 | gravity | helix`: I bet they liked it... well at least I bet karsten liked it |
| 04:54.59 | helix` | so did bob2 |
| 04:55.28 | wpostma | helix`: Who put the moo in the apt-get, anyways? |
| 04:55.35 | va3atc | Anyone know if win4lin runs on Debian as its not on their support distro list? --> http://www.netraverse.com/products/win4lin50/requirements.php |
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| 04:55.39 | helix` | wpostma: TINC |
| 04:55.41 | Biggoggs | zeeble: Using what, and how? In RH7, Deb2.2, it worked out-of-the-box, now it refuses to do anything other than 'waste paper' |
| 04:55.49 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:56.03 | bob2 | va3atc: email them. |
| 04:56.11 | bob2 | kris: so all you want is ipsec with kernel 2.4.24? |
| 04:56.14 | wpostma | apt-get help : --- This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 04:56.22 | kris | bob2 yes |
| 04:56.28 | va3atc | bob2 : could do that :) |
| 04:56.31 | zeeble | Biggoggs well, right now mine is a unstable box, with cups |
| 04:57.00 | wpostma | What does TINC mean? |
| 04:57.03 | Biggoggs | zeeble: Trade you :) |
| 04:57.17 | gravity | !TINC |
| 04:57.17 | dpkg | methinks tinc is There Is No Cabal except for Overfiend and Espy, or at http://tinc.nl.linux.org |
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| 04:57.29 | gravity | Espy? Wow... that's dated... |
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| 04:57.33 | gravity | REALLY dated |
| 04:57.44 | zeeble | JasonBoxSleep http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/07/11/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=2 |
| 04:57.49 | Justin_ | !+factinfo TINC |
| 04:57.50 | dpkg | tinc -- created by sgore <sgore@207.218.237.133> at Tue Mar 28 05:21:30 2000 (1381 days); last modified at Sun Aug 20 15:02:01 2000 by \ifvoid!bas@warande1131.warande.uu.nl; it has been requested 9 times, last by gravity, 32s ago. |
| 04:58.06 | Justin_ | 9 times over 4 years heh |
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| 04:58.22 | gravity | 2000? Didn't espy pass away before then? |
| 04:58.24 | zeeble | what happened to apt-bot? |
| 04:58.29 | boffer | after a dpkg-reconfigure locales, do I need to restart anything? |
| 04:58.43 | gravity | Actually, that sounds about right |
| 04:58.45 | gravity | Very very close |
| 04:59.31 | noS0BrhT | JasonBoxSleep; I much rather have a bootable iso image of the whole installation. So I can just recover. Can rsync accomplish this? |
| 04:59.42 | va3atc | homework is calling, later folks |
| 05:00.00 | wpostma | noS0BrhT, check out mondoarchive |
| 05:00.01 | Justin_ | noS0BrhT: bootcd? |
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| 05:00.32 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; mondoarchive works in debian? |
| 05:00.50 | lazarus | bob2: the problem was that 2.6.0 no longer supports type 0 swap |
| 05:01.00 | noS0BrhT | Justin_; sorry wrong Justin :) |
| 05:01.02 | wpostma | Works damn good. The version in debian stable is very crusty, but I have used it on several systems, and it works. I recommend you figure out your command lines, and invoke it from a shell script, which you can then reuse, for easy re-use. |
| 05:01.14 | Justin_ | noS0BrhT: nono |
| 05:01.16 | Justin_ | !+info bootcd |
| 05:01.19 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks.), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.35 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 05:01.32 | lazarus | bob2: mkswap -v1 /dev/hda9 fixed it |
| 05:01.52 | wpostma | I use it to back up my working system. Is that what you want? It is designed to boot from ISO, and restore to disk. Misunderstand you? |
| 05:02.09 | wpostma | boot from cd to restore your hard drive, I meant to say. |
| 05:02.41 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; I want to have a CD set of my whole system, which I can use in case a melt down. |
| 05:02.54 | wpostma | noS0BrhT, then you definitely want mondoarchive. Check it out. |
| 05:03.04 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; yup exactly that. |
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| 05:03.25 | wpostma | My laptop took 17 CDs, and all day and all of one night to do it, but it was worth it, since my laptop hard drive is now failing. |
| 05:03.44 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; would you be willing to help with the unique config you indicated earlier? |
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| 05:03.53 | lazarus | bob2: apparently this means i can no longer boot with /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18 |
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| 05:04.07 | wpostma | On my system I typemondoarchive -O -c 8 -E /var/cache/ -E /tmp -k /vmlinuz -S /tmp/iso-scratch -T /tmp/mondo-tmp |
| 05:04.26 | lazarus | bob2: my box is therefore now officially incompatible with default woody, sigh |
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| 05:04.49 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; I can dig that!! |
| 05:05.01 | wpostma | This means, record at 8x, and I make directorys called /tmp/iso-scratch and /tmp/mondo. I nfs mount my /tmp to a box on my LAN with many GB of free space, to avoid much writing to the local hard disk, during thei sbackup. Since my hard drive was failing, this was best for me. |
| 05:05.20 | wpostma | Then you just feed it CDs and wait wait wait. |
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| 05:05.37 | davidmccabe | Failed to fetch http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/pool/main/x/xfonts-artwiz/xfonts-artwiz_2.5_all.deb 403 Forbidden |
| 05:05.57 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; can I use the pkg available via apt-get? |
| 05:06.02 | g4lt | yeah, erkeley has permission issues and has for years |
| 05:06.23 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; you had said something about it being buggy. |
| 05:06.23 | wpostma | Yes, always use apt-get instead of install-your-own-from-tarball, unless you like having trouble. :-) |
| 05:06.35 | davidmccabe | Failed to fetch http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/../project/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 05:06.37 | wpostma | not buggy, crusty. Old. but it works. |
| 05:06.57 | davidmccabe | seems berkeley mirror is having issues |
| 05:07.04 | wpostma | Debian-Stable is like an old fart's pickup truck. It's ugly, but it works. :-) |
| 05:07.04 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; Oh! just like me. I can work with that :) |
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| 05:07.22 | Biggoggs | Ok, no matter what f*king driver I use in cups, it keeps printing raw source!?!?! |
| 05:07.25 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; Do you know me?? :) |
| 05:07.29 | JasonBoxSleep | I don't appear to be experiencing success: find . -print0 | cpio -o0avH newc | ssh root@nebula 'cd /tmp && cpio -idmu' |
| 05:07.33 | g4lt | well, you know, they're probably doing more of the late Dr. Leary's work ;P |
| 05:07.40 | Justin_ | JasonBoxSleep: rsync |
| 05:07.51 | andrel | davidmccabe: yeah, it was hanging on me earlier this eve |
| 05:07.56 | davidmccabe | ok |
| 05:07.58 | JasonBoxSleep | Justin_: It screwed my directory dates on creation too -- I want the restored dir dates to be identical to their backup time |
| 05:08.00 | davidmccabe | I'll try again later. thanks y'all |
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| 05:08.12 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; can I ping you latter in case of a question? |
| 05:08.15 | JasonBoxSleep | Justin_: I couldn't find any rsync option that would produce the desired result; It insisted on using today's date and time |
| 05:08.18 | wpostma | I like to run sid, unstable, it's like a beautiful woman: Sexy, dangerous, and treacherous. Maybe we should rename it Nikita. |
| 05:08.36 | wpostma | If I'm on here, yes. |
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| 05:08.50 | somiaj | wpostma: you forgot one thing...'bitchy'...(: |
| 05:08.51 | gravity | Um... I think sexy is going a bit far |
| 05:08.51 | hacim | there is not a sysstat parsing program out there for debian that actually works is there |
| 05:08.59 | gravity | It's kinda ugly actually |
| 05:09.02 | gravity | But it works |
| 05:09.03 | wpostma | somiaj: Yes. And at certain times of the month, it bleeds awfully. :-) |
| 05:09.06 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; You do know me! Now you are describing my wife :) |
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| 05:09.50 | wpostma | She is just like my wife too, then. |
| 05:09.54 | noS0BrhT | somiaj; Yeah! My wife sais she is Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, and Charming. |
| 05:11.09 | wpostma | noS0BrhT Handy tip: Look at the size of your disks, using du then look at your pile of blank cds. If you plan to backup a 40 gig drive that is half full, you will probably need 1 disk per gig of space on the disk. |
| 05:11.12 | hacim | can someone help me parse sysstat data? |
| 05:11.22 | Justin_ | eh? |
| 05:11.23 | wpostma | ... so 20 disks, for instance. |
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| 05:11.31 | Justin_ | you need like 1 disk per 2 gigs |
| 05:11.31 | bob2 | kris: which kernel tarball do you have now? from kernel.org? |
| 05:11.37 | Xenguy | wpostma: lol |
| 05:11.39 | kris | bob2 2.4.24 |
| 05:11.44 | Justin_ | unless its stupid and doesnt compress anything |
| 05:11.54 | berto- | hi all. something is funky on my box. what would be some things to check to confirm i've not been rooted ? |
| 05:12.03 | Xenguy | berto-: chkrootkit |
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| 05:12.04 | berto- | anyone have some good links that describe how to check? |
| 05:12.06 | kris | bob2 and yes thats from kernel.org |
| 05:12.08 | wpostma | Justin_, it depends on how much compressible stuff you have. I get about 1 gig per disk because I have a lot tar.gz files that don't further compress. |
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| 05:12.19 | akusarujin | kindof a strange question, but when printing using cups, i get the error font /usr/share/fonts/truetype/fonts.cache-1 FreeType failed to open, error=0 |
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| 05:12.39 | berto- | Xenguy: thanks, checking it out. |
| 05:12.41 | bob2 | kris: www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davem/ |
| 05:12.48 | Xenguy | berto-: welcome - good luck |
| 05:13.16 | akusarujin | wow, that wasn't meant to paste right away, err, well, that was the error, and it only happens when i am printing [using cups] from epiphany, it prints and things print fine except for fonts, characters show up as boxes, heh, but, in AbiWord and other programs it prints fonts fine, what gives? |
| 05:13.27 | kris | bob2 you rock ;) |
| 05:13.50 | gravity | Whoa... the postfix faq has a <blink> tag! I haven't seen one of those in the better part of a decade! |
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| 05:13.53 | gravity | Cool! |
| 05:13.53 | thomas_adam | ~~~~ |
| 05:13.57 | | somebody said ~~~ was stupid |
| 05:14.01 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.03 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.09 | MrScout | hrm, anyone know why xmms might just suddently freak out and sound terrible? |
| 05:14.12 | kris | gravity does blick even still work? |
| 05:14.21 | Xenguy | MrScout: new kernel? ;-) |
| 05:14.23 | gravity | kris: Yep, in firebird it idoes |
| 05:14.31 | wpostma | MrScout: If you're using OSS, or ALSA? |
| 05:14.36 | eratsu | i bound a key to Multi_key, but that key doesn't want to compose, what could be wrong with it? |
| 05:14.36 | MrScout | hrm, still usin my traditional 2.6-test9 |
| 05:14.46 | MrScout | well, its messed on both alsa and oss |
| 05:14.51 | kris | blink was so terribly annoying |
| 05:14.58 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: you're not in an appropriate locale. |
| 05:15.09 | bob2 | kris: does it apply cleanlet? |
| 05:15.17 | wpostma | Well, it may be a 2.6.x issue, if you're using a 2.6-test9, I know that certain sound drivers were like-for-sh## in those. |
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| 05:15.34 | MrScout | hrm. i'll look into a update on my kernel then. :-x |
| 05:15.34 | kris | bob2 one second |
| 05:15.44 | somiaj | hmm, traditional and 2.6-test9 just don't sound right. |
| 05:15.45 | wpostma | maestro3 chipset by anychance? |
| 05:15.46 | bob2 | MrScout: is it a via card? |
| 05:15.54 | MrScout | nah, i'm on a dell 2650 |
| 05:16.00 | wpostma | What sound is on that? |
| 05:16.02 | MrScout | my other laptop is maestro 3 |
| 05:16.09 | MrScout | this one's got ich8000 i think |
| 05:16.10 | bob2 | VIA is still the stupidest semiconductor manufacturer name around. |
| 05:16.11 | MrScout | lemme check |
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| 05:16.13 | hacim | has anyone gotten isag to properly plot anything? |
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| 05:16.28 | eratsu | dondelelcaro: i do dpkg-reconfigure locales to set my locale? |
| 05:16.38 | JasonBoxSleep | Still having zero success with this |
| 05:16.48 | MrScout | CH3M: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later |
| 05:16.48 | MrScout | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.49 | atrus | MrScout: reboot? i've seen some cards under some drivers (sblive in particular) develop problems after enough uptime. |
| 05:16.53 | JasonBoxSleep | It wants to date every directory with today's date upon restore |
| 05:16.54 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: nah, just export LC="foo" |
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| 05:17.10 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: s/LC/LANG/ |
| 05:17.14 | JasonBoxSleep | find . -print0 | cpio -H tar -ova0 | ssh root@nebula 'cd /tmp && cpio -idm' |
| 05:17.15 | wpostma | MrScout, get a 2.6.0 release kernel from ftp.kernel.org |
| 05:17.16 | MrScout | yea, i'll give that a shot - alot easier than recomp'ing a kernel |
| 05:17.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell eratsu about extended chars |
| 05:17.23 | bob2 | JasonBoxSleep: NFS/cp? I'm pretty sure tar stores times, though. |
| 05:17.29 | MrScout | wpostma, i think it was a release when i d/l'ed it |
| 05:17.30 | MrScout | :p |
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| 05:17.39 | MrScout | it was the current beta |
| 05:17.40 | MrScout | then |
| 05:17.49 | JasonBoxSleep | bob2: I tried tar earlier and thought the same as well -- It gave me the wrong directory times as well... |
| 05:18.02 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: hrm. /msg dpkg iso8859 has better information, actually. |
| 05:18.19 | JasonBoxSleep | tar -cvf - * | ssh root@nebula 'cd /tmp && tar -xvf -' |
| 05:18.33 | JasonBoxSleep | Did I miss a magic option I just don't see? |
| 05:18.41 | eratsu | dondelelcaro: it still does't work though |
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| 05:19.04 | dondelelcaro | JasonBoxSleep: that's what -ps does. |
| 05:19.12 | dondelelcaro | JasonBoxSleep: man tar, and read about the preservation options. |
| 05:19.28 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: you've built one of the ios8859 locales using dpkg-reconfigure locales, right? |
| 05:19.56 | eratsu | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 05:20.17 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: ok, and xev followed by hitting the multi_key shows up with Multi_key, right? |
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| 05:20.32 | kris | box2 im not sure what file it is im patching |
| 05:20.36 | kris | bob2 even |
| 05:20.56 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: if not, you've not mapped the appropriate key to the Multi_key |
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| 05:21.23 | bob2 | kris: unzip it. cd to the kernel dir. patch -p1 < /patch/to/the.patch |
| 05:21.44 | eratsu | dondelelcaro: it doesn't |
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| 05:21.48 | JasonBoxSleep | dondelelcaro: -ps == --preserve == ignore user umask and list of names to extract is sorted to match archive |
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| 05:22.03 | MrScout | holy crap |
| 05:22.07 | MrScout | i figured it out |
| 05:22.10 | eratsu | dondelelcaro: but i see it in xkeycaps |
| 05:22.12 | MrScout | blah. blah. blah. blah. i'm a retard |
| 05:22.33 | MrScout | blah. don't enable more than 1 mp3 decoder in xmms |
| 05:22.45 | dondelelcaro | eratsu: well, xev is actually what the xserver is seeing. [you've selected the window that shows up, right?] |
| 05:22.53 | eratsu | yes |
| 05:23.03 | Brakki | anybody know anything about xfce4? for adding things to window managers or user interfaces? |
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| 05:23.07 | JasonBoxSleep | mmm |
| 05:23.15 | MrScout | thanks folks. :-) I'll spend some time comp'ing 2.6.0 stable now .. :p |
| 05:23.19 | JasonBoxSleep | afaict the tar options are working now |
| 05:23.31 | JasonBoxSleep | I'm so tired I must've failed to notice it was working correctly |
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| 05:23.37 | DelEat | Is there full nvidia support for 2.6 yet? |
| 05:23.39 | JasonBoxSleep | Still can't get cpio to do what i want though |
| 05:24.01 | mwilson | Define "full". |
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| 05:24.28 | kris | bob2 is this for my currently compiled 2.4.22 or my soon to be compiled 2.4.24 vanilla? |
| 05:24.30 | Unfrgiven | anyone have a netgear wg311? is there good support for atheros chipset based drivers? |
| 05:24.44 | Biggoggs | Looks like I'll continue to use windows to print anything... |
| 05:25.05 | Biggoggs | Hey how could I use accents in X (ie, Firebird, etc)? |
| 05:25.10 | Brakki | any xfce4 users? |
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| 05:25.10 | dondelelcaro | JasonBoxSleep: cpio -am most likely. |
| 05:25.16 | zeeble | Brakki yeah |
| 05:25.19 | DelEat | mwilson: :) download from nvidia - run installation-prog |
| 05:25.20 | jello | Unfrgiven: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html |
| 05:25.31 | Brakki | zeeble you know how to add user interface/window manager themes? |
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| 05:25.36 | dondelelcaro | Biggoggs: select an appropriate locale, and bind your compose or Multi_key appropriately. |
| 05:25.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell Biggoggs about iso8859 |
| 05:25.46 | mwilson | DelEat: Whyinhell would you want to install their stuff THAT way? |
| 05:26.05 | DelEat | mwilson: as in not manually unpacking install-program, patching, and then recompiling for 2.6.0-support (as in testX) |
| 05:26.11 | shob | dondelelcaro: remember me? |
| 05:26.17 | jello | !wifi compat is http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html |
| 05:26.17 | dpkg | jello: okay |
| 05:26.19 | dondelelcaro | shob: uh, sort of. |
| 05:26.24 | DelEat | mwilson: if there's no .deb |
| 05:26.25 | bob2 | kris: your new one |
| 05:26.26 | dondelelcaro | shob: but not what your exact problem was... |
| 05:26.28 | shob | dondelelcaro: the kernel compile depmod problem |
| 05:26.30 | zeeble | Brakki apt-get install xfwm4-themes |
| 05:26.34 | dondelelcaro | shob: ah. did you figure that out? |
| 05:26.37 | zeeble | Brakki or do you want more? |
| 05:26.40 | Brakki | yea |
| 05:26.46 | Brakki | specifically... |
| 05:26.46 | Biggoggs | dondelelcaro: Thats for a pc104... How would I go about it with a pc101 |
| 05:26.50 | Brakki | hold on i've got a link |
| 05:26.54 | shob | dondelelcaro: don't worry about it, yeah, it was a module-init-tools problem... breaks if alsa is not installed |
| 05:26.58 | JasonBoxSleep | jello: Personally I find the hostAP driver far better for Prism2 cards |
| 05:27.06 | dondelelcaro | Biggoggs: xev, type a key, and decide what you want to use. |
| 05:27.12 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; guess, what, I don't have mondo on my list according to dpkg -l 'mondo*' |
| 05:27.24 | Unfrgiven | jello: it has the card list but no comments... does this mean that there is no support for it or that there is support but no one has tested it? |
| 05:27.39 | DelEat | mwilson: but maybe there's actually working nvidia modules now?? that's what I was asking |
| 05:27.39 | Brakki | zeeble: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/glass__/?topic_id=926%2C938%2C960%2C950%2C963 |
| 05:27.41 | shob | dondelelcaro, it's not fixed yet, but at least I now know what it is, and it's been reported too... |
| 05:28.09 | zeeble | Brakki ok |
| 05:28.28 | boffer | What do I need to restart after updateing locales? |
| 05:28.30 | Biggoggs | dondelelcaro: Fair `nuff |
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| 05:29.01 | dondelelcaro | boffer: nothing. |
| 05:29.05 | DelEat | boffer: just export them |
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| 05:29.38 | jello | Unfrgiven: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 05:30.13 | zeeble | jell0 that's wlan stuff right? |
| 05:30.14 | wpostma | does anyone know if I can make KDE's K menu respond to the Windows key on the keyboard? I am using debian sid. |
| 05:30.19 | DelEat | my friend wants a dual-boot (XP+debian) on his brand new hd - should he partition it from a linux install before installing XP, and then afterwards installing debian? |
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| 05:30.37 | DelEat | wpostma: does kde use xsetkeys? |
| 05:30.49 | Ra1stlin_ | first xp then debian |
| 05:30.57 | bob2 | DelEat: yes. windows will eat the boot sector, so install it first. |
| 05:31.06 | DelEat | ok |
| 05:31.11 | DelEat | what about partitioning? |
| 05:31.26 | Penix | what about it |
| 05:31.30 | zeeble | DelEat tell him to create a partition at the beginning for all his windows stuff, then leave aside some space(as much as he wants) for debian. he can partition during the debian install. also, ask him to have a large FAT32 partition where he can keep his MP3s so he can share them across both |
| 05:31.46 | wpostma | noS0BrhT, what do you search for? Try "apt-cache policy mondo" |
| 05:31.50 | Brakki | so do you know how i could add that zeeble? |
| 05:31.58 | JasonBoxSleep | zeeble: thanks |
| 05:32.01 | zeeble | Brakki no |
| 05:32.02 | thomas_adam | DelEat: it doesn't really matter which way arounf you install, just that if windows eats the bootsector you'll have to boot of a knoppix CD and choot a lilo update |
| 05:32.07 | DelEat | ok |
| 05:32.15 | wpostma | DelEat: I don't know if KDE does use xsetkeys. |
| 05:32.19 | JasonBoxSleep | bob2: thanks |
| 05:32.20 | JasonBoxSleep | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:32.26 | JasonBoxSleep | bbiab |
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| 05:32.35 | bob2 | wenas! |
| 05:32.36 | DelEat | wpostma: don't use kde, so not sure - works fine for me in kahakai ;-) |
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| 05:32.52 | jello | !wifi howto is http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 05:32.52 | dpkg | ...but wifi howto is already something else... |
| 05:32.57 | jello | wifi howto |
| 05:33.04 | jello | !wifi howto |
| 05:33.05 | dpkg | i heard wifi howto is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 05:33.11 | Penix | wenas |
| 05:33.17 | DelEat | jello: :-) |
| 05:33.32 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:33.41 | jello | DelEat: great minds think alike |
| 05:33.44 | noS0BrhT | wpostma; apt-cache policy mondo |
| 05:33.45 | noS0BrhT | W: Unable to locate package mondo |
| 05:33.59 | wpostma | did you apt-get update? |
| 05:34.00 | Penix | Brakki: that's not for xfce 4 |
| 05:34.08 | Kawfee | PENIX! |
| 05:34.13 | bob2 | !info swig1.3 |
| 05:34.20 | dpkg | swig1.3: (Generate scripting interfaces to C/C++ code), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.3.19-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 2144 kB |
| 05:34.21 | Penix | you zoof |
| 05:34.23 | wpostma | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.33 | Penix | ~test |
| 05:34.37 | | Passed |
| 05:34.43 | DelEat | bob2: why do you need swig? |
| 05:34.51 | Biggoggs | How many people here speak Español? |
| 05:34.55 | wpostma | Swig is handy for python. |
| 05:34.57 | bob2 | DelEat: kahakai can't go into sid until swig 1.3.20 goes in. |
| 05:34.58 | Penix | ~+spanish |
| 05:35.00 | | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 05:35.14 | wpostma | Gracias. :-) |
| 05:35.21 | DelEat | bob2: I was thinking that.. |
| 05:35.23 | Penix | taco |
| 05:35.30 | DelEat | bob2: was just wondering if anything else uses swig? |
| 05:35.45 | bob2 | DelEat: subversion does, for generating scripting language bindings. |
| 05:35.51 | DelEat | bob2: it's f*cking unstable - why don't they just get a move on and put it in? |
| 05:36.01 | bob2 | DelEat: guess the maintainer is busy. |
| 05:36.10 | bob2 | DelEat: but 1.3.20 does fix a bunch of bugs |
| 05:36.13 | bob2 | !maint swig1.3 |
| 05:36.20 | dpkg | swig1.3: Torsten Landschoff <torsten@debian.org> |
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| 05:36.47 | Penix | DelEat: nothing stopping you from fixing all the bugs, repackaging it and doing a NMU |
| 05:36.48 | jello | bob2: if you want to NMU, i'll sponsor you ;) |
| 05:37.07 | fooz | heh |
| 05:37.07 | DelEat | Penix: if I could.. :) |
| 05:37.15 | bob2 | jello: haha, don't encourage me :) |
| 05:37.19 | jello | DelEat: same offer to you |
| 05:37.22 | wpostma | bob2: Swig is very handy in Python work. |
| 05:37.26 | zeeble | someone take a look at http://puggy.symonds.net/~zeeble/httpd.conf and see why apache is not processing php. this is a sid box |
| 05:37.27 | DelEat | Penix: but if the tarball is there... |
| 05:37.30 | jello | seriously, he's got a FTBFS open over a year! |
| 05:37.30 | bob2 | wpostma: yeah, it seems that way. |
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| 05:37.48 | gravity | jello: Are you kidding? |
| 05:38.11 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.16 | Penix | thomas_adam: stfu |
| 05:38.18 | wpostma | My personal feeling is that SWIG creates ugly bindings, and that a more intelligent manually written binding is better, if you have the time, or if you care. |
| 05:38.19 | thomas_adam | fuck |
| 05:38.20 | jello | gravity: no |
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| 05:38.26 | DelEat | thomas_adam: stuck key? ;-) |
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| 05:38.33 | zeeble | thomas_adam congrats ;) |
| 05:38.40 | thomas_adam | no, resting against the keyboard |
| 05:38.42 | thomas_adam | Sorry, all |
| 05:38.43 | bob2 | jello: where? |
| 05:38.44 | gravity | heh |
| 05:38.53 | jello | bob2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=160316 |
| 05:38.55 | zeeble | dont sleep at the keyboard |
| 05:39.02 | jello | bob2: he didn't even respond to it |
| 05:39.06 | thomas_adam | I RARELY sleep |
| 05:39.07 | bob2 | jello: if you'd seriously sponsor it, I'll package the new upstream version, I've been waiting for this for MONTHS. |
| 05:39.18 | jello | bob2: serious |
| 05:39.36 | bob2 | jello: ah, that's swig != swig1.3 |
| 05:39.45 | jello | yep |
| 05:40.00 | bob2 | jello: oh, replace swig with swig1.3? |
| 05:40.07 | zeeble | someone take a look at http://puggy.symonds.net/~zeeble/httpd.conf and see why apache is not processing php. this is a sid box |
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| 05:40.16 | gravity | Jeepers |
| 05:40.20 | jello | bob2: that seems to be the right thing to do |
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| 05:41.15 | gravity | You guys might want to put that one to -release, at the very least before you do that |
| 05:41.36 | bbmj | > |
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| 05:41.56 | bob2 | jello: hm, I can't remember the ldapsearch incantation to see how long he's been MIA, but some of those bugs have been open for ages. |
| 05:42.06 | lagCisco | anyone know what package stdio.h is in? |
| 05:42.12 | bob2 | lagCisco: libc6-dev |
| 05:42.14 | lagCisco | packages.debian.org is down |
| 05:42.14 | bob2 | lagCisco: install build-essential |
| 05:42.15 | Penix | ~cluebat lagCisco |
| 05:42.19 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps lagCisco. |
| 05:42.26 | jello | bob2: just post an ITH to -devel and you've go my blessing |
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| 05:43.02 | lagCisco | hmm :( |
| 05:43.02 | lagCisco | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 05:43.12 | Tweak22 | hi all quick question... I just changed my init.d / iptb file (its the router text ) how do I load it? like refresh the ports and stuff without restarting server? |
| 05:43.13 | Penix | E: Sorry, broken user |
| 05:43.22 | Tweak22 | I thought it was something like ./iptb |
| 05:43.25 | lagCisco | hrmmpf |
| 05:43.33 | The_Vulture | Tweak22: /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 05:43.39 | The_Vulture | oddly enough |
| 05:43.40 | jello | bob2: what's the current version of swig? |
| 05:43.47 | jello | bob2: not in debian, upstream? |
| 05:43.52 | bob2 | !info swig sid |
| 05:43.56 | bob2 | jello: 1.3.20 |
| 05:43.57 | lagCisco | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:43.57 | lagCisco | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.57 | lagCisco | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 05:43.58 | dpkg | swig: (Generate scripting interfaces to C/C++ code.), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.p883-4 (sid), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 1376 kB |
| 05:44.04 | lagCisco | whats shall i do? |
| 05:44.17 | bob2 | jello: released a few weeks ago, at the very least makes kahakai buildable. |
| 05:44.18 | Penix | lagCisco: unfuckup your sources |
| 05:44.26 | bob2 | lagCisco: don't mix sid and woody in your sources.list. |
| 05:44.40 | Tweak22 | the_vulture ok thanks just a sec |
| 05:44.49 | lagCisco | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 05:44.49 | lagCisco | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:44.50 | jello | bob2: i'll upload to DELAYED-7, that'll give him enough time to respond |
| 05:45.02 | lagCisco | thats what i got, all stable |
| 05:45.11 | jello | bob2: he still has an NMU to acknowledge |
| 05:45.24 | Tweak22 | the_vulture it says foo command not found |
| 05:45.28 | bob2 | lagCisco: you had sid in there at one point. |
| 05:45.34 | lagCisco | bob2: i did |
| 05:45.40 | Penix | lagCisco: apt-get update |
| 05:45.41 | The_Vulture | Tweak22: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/foo.html |
| 05:45.45 | The_Vulture | ~foo |
| 05:45.47 | | i heard foo is the magic that binds the world together, or bar, or <reply> foo |
| 05:45.51 | lagCisco | Penix: i did that, and ran dist-upgrade |
| 05:46.02 | Penix | why would you run dist-upgrade? |
| 05:46.11 | lagCisco | err upgrade |
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| 05:46.22 | Tweak22 | the_ventrule I swear I use 2 just do like ./iptb and it did like 20 dots and then it was refreshed |
| 05:46.32 | Tweak22 | but now I get a -j problem never got that b 4 |
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| 05:46.42 | Penix | lagCisco: remove any sid sources, update, install build-essential |
| 05:47.08 | bob2 | it won't work. |
| 05:47.10 | lagCisco | i just pasted my sources.list, theres no reference to sid there |
| 05:47.12 | bob2 | he has sid's libc6. |
| 05:47.16 | Penix | ah |
| 05:47.17 | Tweak22 | the_vulture u sent me 2 a dictionary that has nothign 2 do with linux |
| 05:47.18 | bob2 | lagCisco: but you DID have sid in there. |
| 05:47.19 | jello | bob2: i'm truly serious; package the new version, post an ITH to -devel, and I'll sponsor you |
| 05:47.23 | lagCisco | bob2: yes |
| 05:47.23 | bob2 | lagCisco: reinstall. |
| 05:47.31 | lagCisco | aww |
| 05:47.33 | Tweak22 | the_vulture r u just acking like u know something .. becuase thats really childish and sad |
| 05:47.37 | bob2 | lagCisco: or move to sid completely. |
| 05:47.54 | lagCisco | bob2: i want to use stable |
| 05:48.04 | Penix | then use stable |
| 05:48.06 | lagCisco | so im screwed, need to just reinstall? |
| 05:48.08 | zeeble | then reinstall stable from a netinstall |
| 05:48.26 | lagCisco | ill do that |
| 05:48.31 | Tweak22 | bob2 I just changed my iptb file (its the router script) I think I have 2 do something like ./iptb 2 reload/refesh it into the script running now... am I right? |
| 05:48.35 | bob2 | lagCisco: then why did you get packages from unstable? |
| 05:48.41 | zeeble | getting a stable system up will take an hour. most of that hour will be for compiling 2.4.24 |
| 05:48.43 | gravity | jello: That's a bit overzealous, don't you think? |
| 05:48.58 | bob2 | jelly: Tweak22 I can't even understand what you're talking about, sorry. |
| 05:48.59 | Penix | Tweak22: you were already told how |
| 05:49.09 | bob2 | oops. |
| 05:49.12 | lagCisco | bob2: i was messing with things i dont know too much about and screwed it up somehow, i thought it was fine but guess not |
| 05:49.26 | Tweak22 | penix the foo thing? |
| 05:49.36 | zeeble | haha |
| 05:49.37 | jello | gravity: not really, he hasn't touched the pkg in a while |
| 05:49.38 | zeeble | foo thing |
| 05:49.48 | Penix | Tweak22: he didn't literally mean /etc/init.d/foo |
| 05:49.53 | jello | gravity: we're still in the 0-day NMU period |
| 05:50.01 | Tweak22 | penix ok sorry what do u mean then? |
| 05:50.09 | Penix | Tweak22: /etc/init.d/iptables restart. foo just meant whatever your script is called |
| 05:50.11 | gravity | jello: Sure, NMU it then. And email him asking if it's Ok to co-mainatain or adopt |
| 05:50.12 | jello | bob2: he's last seen: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:43:38 |
| 05:50.33 | gravity | jello: Post to -release too, since that's where shit like this tends to get sorted out |
| 05:50.34 | lagCisco | gonna go reinstall |
| 05:50.34 | Tweak22 | penix oh ok |
| 05:51.09 | gravity | jello: If you don't get a response from the maintainer in a few days or so, send out the ITH then if you still want it |
| 05:51.09 | The_Vulture | Penix: kids these days.. |
| 05:51.13 | lagCisco | i just created a new partition, but havent reboot, is it ok if i format that partition and write files on it then reboot or should i just reboot? |
| 05:51.13 | Penix | The_Vulture: heh |
| 05:52.02 | jello | gravity: i'd rather send out the ITH and upload to delayed-7 |
| 05:52.33 | gravity | jello: Hijacking without pinging the maintainer is very bad form |
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| 05:52.47 | jello | gravity: he'll be pinged |
| 05:53.00 | jello | gravity: before the ITH goes out |
| 05:53.39 | gravity | jello: Ok. I'd still post to -release about this though. You'll get approval from "on high" that way |
| 05:53.41 | bob2 | jello: so, package, ping torsten privately, wait a few days, then ith and upload to delayed-7? |
| 05:53.54 | gravity | Sarge isn't going to release in the next two weeks |
| 05:53.56 | gravity | Sadly |
| 05:54.07 | jello | bob2: yeah, cc: -devel and -release on the ITH |
| 05:54.09 | mwilson | What're you people proposing to hijack? |
| 05:54.15 | jello | swig |
| 05:54.30 | gravity | vorlon should Ok it anyhow |
| 05:54.35 | bob2 | swig1.3 |
| 05:54.41 | bob2 | swig is another issue. |
| 05:54.42 | zeeble | what's swig, the documentation thing? |
| 05:54.42 | gravity | Since he replied to the bug |
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| 05:54.53 | jello | yeah, i'll catch someone on IRC tomorrow |
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| 05:55.32 | bob2 | jello: well, I'll get a-packagin', thanks. |
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| 05:56.32 | jello | bob2: np. in fact, i'll get the discussion rolling by sending a mail to -release myself |
| 05:56.35 | spuer | hey...how stable is sarge? |
| 05:56.45 | jello | bob2: what email can I cc you with? |
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| 05:57.36 | bob2 | jello: rweir@ertius.org |
| 05:57.57 | jello | bob2: ok, and you want swig and swig1.3, right? |
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| 05:59.21 | somekool | hi ! |
| 05:59.56 | somekool | I'm googling for two days now, and i can't find how to upgrade from woody to sarge, or any sarge cd image. |
| 06:00.02 | bob2 | !+info swig sid |
| 06:00.09 | somekool | they talk about it on the website, but every FTP site are empty. |
| 06:00.10 | dpkg | swig: (Generate scripting interfaces to C/C++ code.), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.p883-4 (sid), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 1376 kB |
| 06:00.16 | bob2 | somekool: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 06:00.40 | Annirak | I'm trying to get a handle on IPTables. Is the difference between prerouting and postrouting simply the order in which groups of rules are executed? or is there something mroe to it than that? |
| 06:01.02 | somekool | nice |
| 06:01.14 | Ra1stlin_ | good morning |
| 06:01.15 | bob2 | jello: well, I'm really interested in swig1.3, but it seems that swig is just an old version of it, presumably for compatibility reasons. only python2.3-subversion and some of others from their own source packages seem to Depend or Build-Depend on either of them, however. |
| 06:01.21 | gravity | Hmm... swig sounds neat. How is that different from lua though? |
| 06:01.55 | bob2 | gravity: swig generates bindings for various scripting languages from C/C++ source code. kahakai uses it to generate python bindings from the wm's C++ source. |
| 06:02.03 | bob2 | gravity: isn't lua a plugin scripting language in it's own right? |
| 06:02.21 | gravity | bob2: Yeah it is. That's really cool! Does it generate perl bindings too? |
| 06:02.34 | bob2 | gravity: yes |
| 06:02.38 | gravity | Cooooool |
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| 06:03.06 | bob2 | gravity: tcl, rub,y c#, chicken, php, java, some schemes, ocaml, pike... |
| 06:03.14 | bob2 | gravity: not sure hwo usable they all are, hwoevr. |
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| 06:03.23 | VynoM | Ok. I'm looking for a netinstall iso for sarge/sid. The iso on debian.org is for stable or a "testing installer" that may not even work. Anyone with links? |
| 06:03.34 | gravity | bob2: Very very cool. I had no idea anything like that existed. |
| 06:03.36 | gravity | The_Vulture: Me too |
| 06:03.40 | bob2 | jello: (assuming I'm using grep-dctrl properly: grep-dctrl -FDepends swig /var/lib/apt/lists/*Pack*) |
| 06:03.42 | gravity | The_Vulture: Sorry, that was for thomas_adam |
| 06:03.49 | bob2 | VynoM: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 06:03.50 | gravity | fucking tab completion |
| 06:04.01 | andrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.05 | bob2 | VynoM: sarge is testing, so it's alpha and so is it's installer. |
| 06:04.14 | gravity | bob2: No, the installer is beta :-) |
| 06:04.26 | gravity | beta1... very soon beta2 |
| 06:04.26 | bob2 | gravity: subversion uses it to generate the perl/python bindings too, iirc. |
| 06:04.35 | bob2 | depends how optimistic you are ;-) |
| 06:04.38 | VynoM | bob2, Ah... Thanks. I just wanted to install sarge so I'd have a bit "updated" system from the get go |
| 06:04.53 | gravity | bob2: Well, joeyh just announced it basically, so it's not sheer optimism :-) |
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| 06:05.24 | gravity | Which means I should be able to get that discover upload in finally |
| 06:05.25 | VynoM | I'm running Knoppix right now cause I messed up my partitions during install. Whoops |
| 06:05.40 | Pavel | I (fairly desperately) need to install xfree86 4.3. I understand that it's in experimental now. However, when I add the experimental deb source and use "aptitude update", it downloads the package list, but doesn't offer to upgrade. Why? |
| 06:06.30 | gravity | !tell Pavel about experimental |
| 06:06.39 | gravity | Pavel: There you go |
| 06:07.05 | somekool | wow, im doing 400KB/s on that FTP. |
| 06:07.16 | somekool | HTTP |
| 06:07.17 | Pavel | gravity: Thanks. The second half of this isn't quite as widely "documented"... ;) |
| 06:07.26 | gravity | Pavel: Yep, but for good reason :-) |
| 06:07.36 | gravity | experimental is generally not to be toyed with |
| 06:07.45 | somekool | does knoppix is woody or sarge ? |
| 06:08.00 | gravity | somekool: sarge and sid and whoknowswhat |
| 06:08.40 | Pavel | gravity: Does "The more time I spend trying to set up this computer, designed to be a server, to be a desktop system, the less time I will have to do homework" constitute a good reason? |
| 06:08.50 | mwilson | somekool: Neither. |
| 06:08.57 | gravity | Pavel: Maybe. That depends entirely on you :-) |
| 06:09.05 | somekool | im not sure if there is still a reason to run a woody system on a desktop. for a server, i can understand. but woody packages are so old ? |
| 06:09.08 | bob2 | bleh, I have 7 minutes to wait to get a 2MB file. |
| 06:09.30 | somekool | so knoppix is an all messed up debian ? |
| 06:09.42 | gravity | Sort of |
| 06:09.58 | gravity | somekool: I wouldn't call it "messed up" so much as "pieced together" |
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| 06:12.47 | Justin_ | hmm, it seems iptables forward->iptables forward<--openvpn-->ip tables forward , doesn't work heh |
| 06:13.13 | Pavel | gravity: Is there any way to pin only the dependencies of the x-window-system metapackage? (Or does pinning take care of that by default?) |
| 06:13.51 | gravity | Pavel: I'm not sure, in all honesty. I've never used pinning myself. It's all documented in the manpage though. |
| 06:14.24 | Pavel | gravity: manpage of what? |
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| 06:16.50 | gravity | Pavel: Hmmm... can't find it. I'll look some more |
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| 06:17.36 | gravity | Pavel: man apt_preferences |
| 06:17.54 | win | if i wanted to take advantage of a ticket based system, is there a solid open source version someone could suggest |
| 06:18.17 | gravity | win: A ticket based system? For what? Like kerberos? |
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| 06:18.32 | win | like bug tracking |
| 06:18.42 | win | php |
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| 06:19.20 | bob2 | win: bugzilla, debbugs, roundup, requesttracker3 |
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| 06:19.21 | win | someone told me about an open source bug tracking program that they modified |
| 06:19.29 | win | yea that was it bugzilla |
| 06:19.31 | win | thanks |
| 06:19.50 | gravity | I know this is a really biased forum, but I really like debbugs better than bugzilla |
| 06:20.00 | gravity | Email manipulation makes things so nice once you learn it |
| 06:20.59 | bob2 | YES. |
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| 06:21.09 | win | why do you like debbugs better |
| 06:21.36 | gravity | win: I just like the email interface to it. It's very quick and easy if you're a heavy email user already |
| 06:21.44 | lazarus | bugzilla is so damned web-based :( |
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| 06:21.54 | gravity | win: Bugzilla isn't bad though, and it's very widespread and well-tested. Most people will know it, so that's a plus |
| 06:22.24 | win | i asked the same question in redhat and got no response... interesting |
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| 06:22.38 | bob2 | except bugzilla emails you everytiem someone thinks about considering looking at a bug near yours. |
| 06:22.43 | Pavel | gravity: I don't think it has any provisions for dependency pinning per ce, but in the xfree's case, it can be done, because all the packages involved have the same version number, which is currently a very long one. |
| 06:23.01 | gravity | bob2: Really? That's annoying |
| 06:23.29 | gravity | Pavel: Well, the packages should work that way anyhow, and the whole pre- version allows for a clean transition later :-) |
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| 06:24.38 | Vinc3nz0 | hi |
| 06:24.47 | captbob | "Exim configuration error. Group mail, referred to in line 216, was not found." Why is this happening, when I've checked and the group "mail" definitely exists. |
| 06:25.09 | simonrvn | captbob: try genent group mail |
| 06:25.11 | Vinc3nz0 | can anybody tell me please which the version of SANE in SARGE ? |
| 06:25.14 | simonrvn | getent* |
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| 06:26.39 | captbob | simonrvn: "mail:*:8:" |
| 06:26.39 | gravity | Vinc3nz0: Install and use apt-file (if you're in sarge already, that is) |
| 06:26.48 | gravity | Vinc3nz0: It'll tell you |
| 06:27.28 | atrus | dpkg tell Vinc3nz0 about info sane stable |
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| 06:28.18 | atrus | er, testing as required. :) |
| 06:28.18 | lazarus | atrus: uh, sarge != stable |
| 06:28.18 | atrus | sorry, my bad. |
| 06:28.18 | Vinc3nz0 | gravity i'm using windoze now.i need to know the version |
| 06:28.25 | atrus | Vinc3nz0: you get the idea though, right? |
| 06:28.39 | mavx | Failed to active "OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon" << anybody ever have this problem with gnome 2.4? |
| 06:28.50 | Vinc3nz0 | gravity oops |
| 06:28.51 | Vinc3nz0 | thx |
| 06:28.56 | mavx | active=activate |
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| 06:30.12 | mavx | =/ |
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| 06:31.29 | kendrick | is the wlan-ng package in woody? |
| 06:31.40 | kendrick | if so, why the hell can't i find it? :) |
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| 06:32.03 | dobby | hello i have a problem by doing the modules of DRI. Im now trying this since 24.00 and its 07.00 now ;). Please have a look at #flood to the errors |
| 06:32.22 | captbob | "Exim configuration error. Group mail, referred to in line 216, was not found." Why is this happening, when I've checked and the group "mail" definitely exists. "getent group mail" gives me "mail:*:8:" |
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| 06:35.58 | xerophyte | I would like to sync my 2 webservers with Apache, PHP, Mysql |
| 06:35.58 | xerophyte | The thing is that it has to be near real time. |
| 06:35.58 | xerophyte | Is there a programm that works like RAID? but over long distance? |
| 06:35.59 | xerophyte | Which just updates changed Files? |
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| 06:36.19 | Rubin | xerophyte: yes, its called cobra |
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| 06:36.41 | xerophyte | Rubin didnt get you there |
| 06:36.44 | Rubin | xerophyte: or a poor mans method would be to rsync them every few minutes |
| 06:37.00 | Rubin | cobra is network based raid type filesystem |
| 06:37.09 | Rubin | i dunno if its really ready for prime-time, never tried it |
| 06:37.22 | jello | bob2: run this: `grep-dctrl -n -F Build-Depends -s Package swig --and --not swig1.3 /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources` |
| 06:37.38 | jello | bob2: to find packages which build-dep on swig and not swig1.3 |
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| 06:37.57 | Rubin | xerophyte: er, sorry coda |
| 06:38.06 | Rubin | http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ |
| 06:38.14 | bob2 | jello: empty, here. |
| 06:38.26 | Rubin | xerophyte: but if you dont need realtime, just frequent, rsync is for you |
| 06:38.39 | jello | bob2: i get 9. 3 of which are various versions of python-libplot |
| 06:38.48 | Rubin | i use rsync to copy a "staging" website to a live one every day. no reason you cant do it every 2 minutes |
| 06:38.51 | jello | bob2: really?! apt-cache showsrc subversion |
| 06:39.12 | jello | bob2: do you not have a deb-src for unstable? |
| 06:39.14 | xerophyte | Rubin do i need special hardwary .. if it real time .. will it be load problem on the server |
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| 06:39.34 | bob2 | jello: abh, I'm an idiot, commented out. |
| 06:39.39 | Rubin | xerophyte: rsync only transfers the list of files, and then only changes made |
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| 06:39.50 | captbob | "Exim configuration error. Group mail, referred to in line 216, was not found." Why is this happening, when I've checked and the group "mail" definitely exists. "getent group mail" gives me "mail:*:8:" |
| 06:40.17 | Rubin | rsync -a /path/to/web remoteserver:/path/to/web |
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| 06:40.49 | det | is there a cheap colacation that lets you root on a debian machine ? |
| 06:41.06 | Rubin | det: you get what you pay for |
| 06:41.20 | xerophyte | Rubin Coda is an advanced networked filesystem. It has been developed at CMU since 1987 and still not prime-time |
| 06:41.32 | xerophyte | ????????/ |
| 06:41.43 | Rubin | xerophyte: its in the linux kernel, but i dont know anyone who actually used it |
| 06:41.51 | Rubin | its on my list of things to do in my spare time ;) |
| 06:42.10 | fooz | coda's an incredible pain to get running |
| 06:42.27 | Rubin | yeah? |
| 06:42.31 | fooz | yeah |
| 06:42.34 | dobby | please I need help with DRI iam trying it now for 6 hours. error in #flood |
| 06:42.35 | tictac | anyone have any idea how much space a current deb i386 mirror would run? including woody/sarge/sid w/ non-us and contrib |
| 06:42.46 | fooz | the only nice thing about it is its disconnected operation.. and that's a pain to use :) |
| 06:43.06 | fooz | if you need a huge scale network FS and you have the machines and network connections to devote to it, AFS is a better choice |
| 06:43.27 | fooz | coda was never production ready.. it was a research project |
| 06:43.34 | jm_ | tictac: a lot |
| 06:43.34 | jello | tictac: ask -mirrors |
| 06:43.44 | tictac | -mirrors? |
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| 06:43.56 | jello | tictac: debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org |
| 06:43.58 | zenlunatic | Where are the dictionaries in debian located (path)? |
| 06:44.01 | tictac | ahh. |
| 06:44.08 | tictac | thanks. |
| 06:44.12 | det | what about a colocation service that let's you root your own debian chroot at all ? |
| 06:45.38 | jm_ | tictac: about 8G for sid, 7G for sarge and 4G for woody, but I don't know if this includes non-main sections |
| 06:46.05 | jello | jm_: isn't there considerable overlap btwn sid & sarge? |
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| 06:46.27 | dobby | jm_: please have a look at my error from trying to built dri modules! I 'm trying now for six hours and it does not work! |
| 06:46.47 | jello | bob2: you get that now? |
| 06:46.50 | jm_ | jello: 7924MB vs 7205MB for pedantic |
| 06:47.14 | jello | jm_: that's almost 10% savings! |
| 06:47.27 | jm_ | dobby: I don't use DRI |
| 06:47.46 | dobby | jm_: ok ;( |
| 06:47.56 | dobby | does someone use DRI here? |
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| 06:49.02 | Tim2010 | hey, i was wondering how to mount a drive called c on red hat 9 ? |
| 06:49.02 | Tim2010 | it's ntfs |
| 06:49.02 | Tim2010 | what do i type into the terminal ? |
| 06:49.02 | Tim2010 | if anyone could help me, it's greatly appreciated |
| 06:49.06 | jm_ | Tim2010: this is #debian, try #redhat |
| 06:49.11 | Tim2010 | oh ok |
| 06:49.12 | Tim2010 | sorry |
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| 06:49.42 | mavx | jm_, do you use gnome2? |
| 06:50.07 | jm_ | mavx: it's not available in woody, so no - besides, I prefer my own setup so I use a window manager with a bunch of tools |
| 06:50.19 | mavx | doh. okay |
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| 06:52.03 | slashme | Hi! I'm trying to compile freeciv, and I can't get the configure script to recognize my X-libs. |
| 06:52.26 | slashme | I get "checking for XOpenDisplay in X library -lX11... no" |
| 06:52.41 | mavx | Okay, how about any thoughts on why bf24 install kernel wont recognize my keyboard, and does not seem to respond to the bootkbd parameter? |
| 06:52.47 | jm_ | slashme: install X development |
| 06:52.59 | bob2 | jello: still apt-get update'ing |
| 06:53.02 | slashme | let me check... |
| 06:53.12 | jm_ | mavx: is it USB ? |
| 06:53.14 | jello | bas: ah |
| 06:53.16 | jello | bob2: ah |
| 06:53.17 | mavx | no |
| 06:53.41 | jm_ | one problem I remember with bf24 was gpm fucking up keyboard if mouse was not attached |
| 06:53.48 | jello | bob2: ok, i'm about to go to bed... i'm sending you an email now with my thoughts on how to proceed |
| 06:54.00 | bob2 | jello: 15 source packages build-dep on swigm, 6 on swig1.3 |
| 06:54.03 | mavx | The weird thing is, I installed using bf24 on this same machine a week ago... no hardware changes |
| 06:54.09 | bob2 | jello: cool, thabjs. |
| 06:54.12 | jello | bob2: you can respond with what you decide to do. |
| 06:54.15 | mavx | mouse is attached =/ |
| 06:54.37 | jello | bob2: the swig # probably includes the swig1.3 if you're not careful :) |
| 06:54.58 | jello | bob2: use swig --and --not swig1.3 |
| 06:55.19 | jello | bob2: since they conflict you don't have to worry about a pkg having both |
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| 06:57.07 | bob2 | jello: right, I was just wondering about how feasible it is to remove swig entirely, at least in the long-term |
| 06:57.08 | mavx | argh this is annoying |
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| 07:00.30 | kendrick | so i just apt-get installed hostap-source package, so a tar.gz is lying in my /usr/src/ directory |
| 07:00.38 | kendrick | now what? hehehe :) anyone got a HOWTO pointer? |
| 07:00.46 | wgq | The line "sisfb mode=1024x768x16 rate=60 mem=4096" in /etc/modules works in kernel 2.4, but not in 2.6. Anyone can tell me why? |
| 07:01.03 | bob2 | kendrick: it comes with no documentation? |
| 07:01.47 | kendrick | i'm not a hardware guy |
| 07:01.48 | kendrick | oops |
| 07:02.09 | kendrick | i'm not sure if there was magic i could (or should) do to get the tarball opened, compiled, etc. |
| 07:02.20 | kendrick | e.g. "apt-get-please-compile-and-install-this-module" :) |
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| 07:03.50 | Justin_ | kendrick: module-assistant |
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| 07:04.56 | kendrick | hrm? i don't see that anywhere :^/ |
| 07:04.57 | maher | where do economics teachers hang out online? |
| 07:05.21 | slashme | Wherever is cheapest. |
| 07:05.45 | kendrick | d'oh |
| 07:05.53 | slashme | Actually, probably at the intersection of the supply and demand curves ;-] |
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| 07:08.39 | Incognito-R | I try tu install xlibs but I get this dpkg: error processing (path to xlibs packet), and now I can't use apt at all. could someone help me? |
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| 07:09.07 | kendrick | cuhrap... need to install kernel source, too, it seems? |
| 07:09.10 | kendrick | maybe only headerS? |
| 07:09.14 | robink | Is there a debian install/rescue CD with parted? |
| 07:09.55 | sone | mmm I'm starting to really like kwin |
| 07:10.50 | jm_ | robink: checked BBC Linux ? |
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| 07:11.17 | kendrick | hrm, i have both xserver-common from XF86 3.x and 4.1.0 |
| 07:11.20 | jello | bob2: hmm, this has more problems than i thought |
| 07:11.30 | kendrick | i should probably remove the 3.x version... what's the easiest way to? :) |
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| 07:11.48 | debian | Any tools to extract url from an html files? |
| 07:11.52 | bob2 | jello: which bits? |
| 07:12.08 | jello | bob2: it's not so easy to just rename swig1.3 to swig |
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| 07:12.22 | slashme | debian: How about sed? |
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| 07:12.41 | bob2 | jello: stuff actually depends on that old version? |
| 07:12.47 | jm_ | debian: lynx |
| 07:12.52 | slashme | hehe |
| 07:13.05 | jello | bob2: well, you saw for yourself -- 9 pkgs build-dep on it |
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| 07:13.12 | sh4rk | greetings:) |
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| 07:13.25 | robink | jm_: Nope. |
| 07:13.31 | bob2 | debian: urlview |
| 07:13.35 | jm_ | robink: try it |
| 07:13.52 | jello | bob2: and since it pulls in a shared lib via dependancy, all those pkgs will need to be ported to the new version of swig |
| 07:13.56 | debian | bob2: thanks! |
| 07:13.59 | sh4rk | Debian 3.0 is a 7 cd pack, I hear that you only need the first 3, Is this rumour true? |
| 07:14.11 | tictac | sh4rk: i didnt need any of them. |
| 07:14.28 | jello | sh4rk: if you have a decent net connection, all you need is the net-install cd |
| 07:14.31 | sh4rk | tictac -- well for the ppl that don't have a t1 line..:) |
| 07:14.35 | tictac | if you have a decent broadband connection, you shouldnt need it. |
| 07:14.41 | simonrvn | sh4rk: only need 1. in fact, you can get away with 2 floppies and a netinstall |
| 07:14.51 | tictac | sh4rk: ive only got 3.2 mb/s down... |
| 07:14.53 | tictac | :) |
| 07:14.54 | gravity | mmmm... netinstall |
| 07:15.03 | sh4rk | if u stuck out in a desert with no net connection? |
| 07:15.07 | sh4rk | then 3? |
| 07:15.15 | jello | sh4rk: yeah, pretty much |
| 07:15.29 | tictac | but why would you want to use a computer with no net connection? |
| 07:15.29 | sh4rk | kewl, so 3 it tis.. |
| 07:15.41 | tictac | thats like, pointless :P |
| 07:15.41 | sh4rk | tictac: ok , cut it out man..:) |
| 07:15.47 | tof | sh4rk: I once installed it with only using 3... |
| 07:15.48 | sh4rk | hehe.. |
| 07:15.49 | recall | I'm lost in a sea of broken dependencies: dist-upgrade wants to remove kde!? Is there any way out of this? hehe |
| 07:15.54 | jello | sh4rk: also take a knoppix cd with you to do the module detection |
| 07:16.02 | tictac | recall: let it remove kde.. |
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| 07:16.06 | tictac | recall: then get it again. |
| 07:16.07 | gravity | recall: Try holding the packages |
| 07:16.12 | tictac | :P |
| 07:16.14 | bytewalker | who wants to join my GNU-metal band? HAW HAW!! |
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| 07:16.29 | gravity | recall: You won't get the newest version or whatever, but you'll keep your old one |
| 07:16.43 | bytewalker | come on guys.. that was funny yea? |
| 07:16.48 | sh4rk | gravity, yeah.. hold the packages not ur package.. |
| 07:16.50 | sh4rk | ha ha.. |
| 07:16.53 | sh4rk | poor joke i know.. |
| 07:16.54 | tictac | gravity: who uses that junk? |
| 07:16.55 | W8TVI | no |
| 07:16.56 | bytewalker | haa |
| 07:16.58 | sh4rk | ne ways.. tanks guys.. |
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| 07:17.12 | Ubel | bytewalker, I am busy in my gnu-disco band |
| 07:17.16 | recall | lol, i'll try that..worst that can happen means i'm stuck in blackbox :) Thanks guys. |
| 07:17.22 | g4lt | ~ur |
| 07:17.25 | | well, ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
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| 07:17.32 | gravity | tictac: Smart people use it |
| 07:17.33 | kendrick | speaking of that, what's the best window manager for a kiosk environment? |
| 07:17.38 | kendrick | blackbox? icewm? windowmaker? |
| 07:17.40 | gravity | tictac: You obviously don't qualify |
| 07:17.43 | g4lt | just in by a hair ;P |
| 07:17.47 | Ubel | kde ? |
| 07:17.48 | tictac | gravity: guess not.. |
| 07:17.51 | kendrick | (this is a PII 350MHz with about 80MB) |
| 07:18.01 | kendrick | ubel - i've done KDE kiosk framework before. tons of work, unfortunately :( |
| 07:18.06 | Ubel | ok |
| 07:18.14 | kendrick | i've seen mozilla with a lightweight WM done very well, so would like to replicate :) |
| 07:18.17 | kendrick | i just forget what WM he used |
| 07:18.23 | bytewalker | firebird sux:( |
| 07:18.23 | gravity | tictac: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 07:18.30 | gravity | tictac: Read and learn |
| 07:18.37 | kendrick | 1min til my kernel source dl is done! |
| 07:18.39 | kendrick | then i can apt-get again :) |
| 07:19.15 | tictac | hmm. |
| 07:19.30 | robink | The poor 1GB has been giving SeekComplete errors on many sectors. |
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| 07:20.08 | robink | s/radio/RAID. |
| 07:20.31 | tictac | gravity: hmm. nice. |
| 07:20.46 | bytewalker | do u need raid for only 2 HD's? |
| 07:20.46 | robink | Is there something cheaper than 3ware (supported by linux) that does IDE RAID? |
| 07:20.56 | bytewalker | whaat is raid anyways |
| 07:20.57 | bytewalker | :p |
| 07:21.13 | robink | bytewalker: THe idea is that the HDs are mirrored so if one fails the system still works. When both drives are working the system reads at twice the speed. |
| 07:21.25 | robink | bytewalker: The RAID-HOWTO at TLDP explains raid. |
| 07:21.42 | bytewalker | meh, what are the chances of a hd failing ? ive never had that in 10+ years of computing |
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| 07:21.57 | gravity | tictac: Yep :-) |
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| 07:22.03 | robink | bytewalker: it just happened to me, read above. |
| 07:22.05 | win | i was tyring to instal the perl bundel for bugzilla and it keeps failing on the tp\date, what is tp\date |
| 07:22.07 | gravity | tictac: apt-get is way overused, unfortunately |
| 07:22.17 | Ubel | uhh ehh? |
| 07:22.18 | bytewalker | apt-get overused, lol? |
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| 07:22.22 | robink | bytewalker: I trust my 8GB hard drive, has been running for 4 years heavy use without fail. |
| 07:22.25 | gravity | bytewalker: Yes. Very much so |
| 07:22.45 | XinmingLai | anyone could telll me how to configure so that I could use my usb in debian |
| 07:22.51 | robink | bytewalker: However, that doesn't mean it won't happen. w/ RAID 0 I can literally keep the server running w/ a hard drive fail. |
| 07:23.02 | robink | bytewalker: Hot-swap would be nice, but I can't afford SCSI (or don't want to) |
| 07:23.03 | Unfrgiven | can anyone help me? i get the following error trying to run "tc": error while loading shared libraries: libatm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 07:23.21 | tictac | robink: you must mean Raid 1 |
| 07:23.36 | robink | tictac: raid 0 is striping? |
| 07:23.43 | tictac | yes. |
| 07:23.48 | robink | tictac: then I mean raid 1 :) |
| 07:23.48 | tictac | raid 1 is mirror. |
| 07:23.53 | win | what kind of file is index.html.tmpl |
| 07:23.54 | tictac | id hope so. |
| 07:24.04 | tictac | win: file index.html.tmpl and see |
| 07:24.09 | Incognito-R | well I repeat :) --> I try tu install xlibs but I get this dpkg: error processing (path to xlibs packet), and now I can't use apt at all. could someone help me? |
| 07:24.20 | robink | tictac: Do you use 3ware cards? |
| 07:24.45 | tictac | not yet. i plan to get a 4 port sata 3ware escalade in 2 months though for a dual xeon box im building. |
| 07:24.51 | tictac | robink: ask me then :P |
| 07:24.59 | robink | tictac: *dual* Xeon?? |
| 07:25.05 | win | .tmpl looks as though my machine should be executing it but it is not |
| 07:25.14 | robink | tictac: Sounds nice :) I'm probably going to get a PATA 3ware card 'cause it's cheaper. |
| 07:25.52 | tictac | robink: yep. the army is nice when your single and have nothing better to spend your money on. |
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| 07:26.10 | robink | tictac: Indeed. DINKy couples are lucky in that way too. |
| 07:26.32 | tictac | well, my gf wants to get take our relationship to another level (marriage)... |
| 07:26.44 | tictac | so.. ill prolly do that which would just be more money. |
| 07:26.59 | bytewalker | what kind of server do u run thats so important? pr0n? |
| 07:27.00 | tictac | as long as she has a bowling alley and food to cook, she is happy. |
| 07:27.03 | tictac | :P |
| 07:27.09 | debian | bob2: urlview shows as a menu, there doesn't seem to an option show the list as plaintext so that I could pipe to somewhere.. |
| 07:27.31 | jm_ | debian: I told you, lynx |
| 07:28.00 | debian | jm_: I thought you were joking. isn't lynx just brows the file? |
| 07:28.09 | debian | jm_:browse. heh |
| 07:28.12 | bytewalker | whats a good html editor? |
| 07:28.15 | bytewalker | for kde |
| 07:28.16 | tictac | vim |
| 07:28.19 | gravity | bytewalker: quanta |
| 07:28.19 | tictac | xvim |
| 07:28.23 | gravity | gvim |
| 07:28.27 | tictac | err yea. |
| 07:28.36 | tictac | bluefish |
| 07:28.37 | gravity | Or kvim, in the Brave New World |
| 07:28.42 | kendrick | so this hostap module source's makefile wants /usr/linux/.config |
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| 07:28.53 | kendrick | can i safely copy or symlink /boot/config-2.4.18 ? |
| 07:29.03 | tictac | kendrick: sure can, why not? |
| 07:29.04 | kendrick | i'm just using kernel-image and kernel-source from debian woody, nothing changed |
| 07:29.06 | jm_ | debian: man lynd, find -dump |
| 07:29.07 | kendrick | cool |
| 07:29.13 | jm_ | lynx even |
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| 07:29.37 | kendrick | wish me luck! |
| 07:29.43 | tictac | kendrick: gl |
| 07:29.45 | kendrick | aww fuck! |
| 07:29.50 | kendrick | heheh - apt-get install gcc |
| 07:29.51 | kendrick | heehhehehehe |
| 07:30.04 | debian | jm_: I mean extract URL in a text/html file |
| 07:30.08 | kendrick | see, THIS is why i dont wanna install stuff from source if i dont need to |
| 07:30.14 | tictac | kendrick: build-essential is what you want |
| 07:30.15 | bonez39 | are there any ANSI or UNICODE characters for the male and female symbols? |
| 07:30.17 | bytewalker | whats a good web-page maker that does all the hard stuff for me? |
| 07:30.17 | tictac | apt-get that |
| 07:30.25 | tictac | bytewalker: hard stuff meaning what? |
| 07:30.26 | jm_ | debian: yes, for crying out loud : lynx -dump file.html |
| 07:30.37 | bytewalker | like tables and stuff |
| 07:30.44 | tictac | bytewalker: tables are simple. |
| 07:30.52 | bytewalker | frames even |
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| 07:30.58 | tictac | frames are easier. |
| 07:31.01 | bytewalker | NO |
| 07:31.05 | tictac | yes. |
| 07:31.17 | debian | jm_: amazing. The man help doesn't seem to be very straight forward at first. Thank you very much! :) |
| 07:31.23 | Tchiak | i hate my NAT |
| 07:31.24 | gravity | hehe |
| 07:31.27 | Tchiak | it's a pain in the butt |
| 07:31.29 | bytewalker | whats a perl? |
| 07:31.35 | tictac | exactly. |
| 07:31.35 | kendrick | heh |
| 07:31.49 | bytewalker | haha just kidding, i own u all at perl |
| 07:31.57 | kendrick | wow, x took WAY too long to start up |
| 07:31.59 | kendrick | that scared me :^( |
| 07:32.01 | tictac | sure you do... |
| 07:32.07 | amphi | bytewalker: how reassuring |
| 07:32.13 | tictac | s/do/can/ |
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| 07:32.21 | Tchiak | nothing better than SSH'ing to my linux box to control it :P |
| 07:32.25 | bytewalker | jk i only know C |
| 07:32.45 | Zap-W | from what file does it read at login "The programs included with Debian GNU/Linux.................." |
| 07:32.55 | fooz | /etc/motd |
| 07:32.56 | fooz | RES_CPU - CPU time in milliseconds |
| 07:32.56 | fooz | · RES_FSIZE - Maximum file size in bytes |
| 07:32.56 | fooz | · RES_DATA - Maximum data size in bytes |
| 07:32.56 | fooz | · RES_STACK - Maximum stack size in bytes |
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| 07:33.07 | fooz | i hate it when that happens... |
| 07:33.14 | tictac | lv == las vegas? |
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| 07:33.21 | fooz | yeah |
| 07:33.22 | amphi | Zap-W: /etc/issue or summat |
| 07:33.24 | tictac | nifty |
| 07:33.32 | Zap-W | amphi : motd |
| 07:33.46 | fooz | /etc/issue is the telnet banner |
| 07:33.54 | arctic_import | where does linux keep the mbr in memory? I've lost my partition table but the box is still running is there any way to get the start / stop info from the running system? |
| 07:33.55 | fooz | /etc/motd is shown after login |
| 07:33.56 | amphi | Zap-W: that's the one :) |
| 07:33.57 | bytewalker | who here has an elite web page? |
| 07:34.11 | tictac | bytewalker: me. |
| 07:34.14 | jm_ | bytewalker: I do : goatse.cx |
| 07:34.14 | Zap-W | what should i type there hmm |
| 07:34.15 | g4lt | bytewalker mine's in pica ;P |
| 07:34.19 | tictac | bytewalker: http://68.102.138.177:8088/ |
| 07:34.24 | Tchiak | bye elite would that mean 24 nested framesets? |
| 07:34.27 | amphi | fooz: isn't /etc/issue.net the telnet banner? |
| 07:34.42 | fooz | yeah, technically, but it falls back on /etc/issue |
| 07:34.49 | roy4lty- | tubgirl.com is leet |
| 07:34.49 | bytewalker | GOATSE TEH LOLS!:p |
| 07:34.51 | g4lt | Tchiak naw, just in 12-point type |
| 07:34.55 | amphi | fooz: uhuh |
| 07:34.57 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to configure my usb mouse on debian 3.0r2 plz? |
| 07:35.08 | tictac | 3.0r2? |
| 07:35.11 | tictac | hmm. didnt know that. |
| 07:35.29 | bytewalker | hmm im gonna get that picKLE gallery for my page |
| 07:35.36 | tictac | picKLE rocks. |
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| 07:36.23 | fooz | ugh. why is it everyone thinks the new Execution Protection feature in athlon 64s is either DRM or some kind of magical virus protection technology? |
| 07:36.44 | qu1j0t3 | well...maybe it's what it does. can u explain why it's not? |
| 07:36.48 | Unfrgiven | is there some configuration that u can set, so that pppd runs a program after connecting to my isp? |
| 07:36.57 | qu1j0t3 | ip-up is the script to do that |
| 07:37.10 | qu1j0t3 | it's already in your /etc/ppp |
| 07:37.10 | bytewalker | ok im finally gonna figure out all this apache stuff |
| 07:37.14 | tictac | heh yea. |
| 07:37.17 | Unfrgiven | qu1j0t3: thanx! ill check it out |
| 07:37.22 | qu1j0t3 | np |
| 07:37.25 | tictac | after ppp is up.. run ifconfig ppp0 down |
| 07:37.26 | tictac | :P |
| 07:37.26 | qu1j0t3 | I have a question about POP clients |
| 07:37.26 | fooz | all it is, is a way to limit which pages are executable |
| 07:37.31 | amphi | fooz: what is it? |
| 07:37.33 | qu1j0t3 | ok fooz... |
| 07:37.36 | qu1j0t3 | but how |
| 07:37.40 | fooz | just like every processor can already do |
| 07:37.46 | amphi | fooz: sounds good |
| 07:37.46 | qu1j0t3 | Debian POP client won't let me collect mail on local net. |
| 07:38.01 | tictac | debian pop client? |
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| 07:38.20 | fooz | grsecurity for linux, and OpenBSD, and Solaris can already set pages non-executable |
| 07:38.27 | Unfrgiven | qu1j0t3: thanx again |
| 07:38.29 | qu1j0t3 | ah wait a minute |
| 07:38.33 | qu1j0t3 | it's the usual prob...disk full |
| 07:38.37 | tictac | lol |
| 07:38.39 | tictac | usual? |
| 07:38.40 | qu1j0t3 | :( my bad |
| 07:38.41 | tictac | thats too bad. |
| 07:38.44 | qu1j0t3 | I had it once before. |
| 07:38.52 | qu1j0t3 | I just got back from holiday, with 200MB of spam to collect |
| 07:39.03 | qu1j0t3 | and it needs that much to move mail I think |
| 07:39.08 | qu1j0t3 | that much free |
| 07:39.10 | qu1j0t3 | but nm |
| 07:39.16 | qu1j0t3 | I'll fix it and hang here for a bit :-) |
| 07:39.28 | tictac | you do that. |
| 07:39.32 | qu1j0t3 | ah , fooz, yeah if that's all it is |
| 07:39.33 | Skaag | qu1j0t3, get a mailbox on my system... |
| 07:39.34 | Skaag | 0 spam |
| 07:39.38 | Skaag | well, almost 0 |
| 07:39.46 | qu1j0t3 | but the name is a bit inflammatory in today's climate :-) |
| 07:39.49 | Skaag | once a week some spam manages to get through |
| 07:39.53 | qu1j0t3 | heh |
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| 07:40.13 | qu1j0t3 | this is just my home mailbox, I use OS X Mail.app to segregate it. but a server side soln would be nice |
| 07:40.14 | Skaag | but that's usually a hacked box, and an email that contains just an image |
| 07:40.20 | Skaag | yep |
| 07:40.27 | tictac | Skaag: well, if your just handing out pop boxes, ill take one. |
| 07:40.28 | tictac | :) |
| 07:40.31 | kendrick | crap |
| 07:40.31 | qu1j0t3 | about 30MB spam a day here |
| 07:40.39 | qu1j0t3 | into just my home address |
| 07:40.45 | slashme | wget -O - [URL] 2>/dev/null | sed -n '/href/I s/.*href=\([^>]*\).*/\1/p' |
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| 07:40.51 | qu1j0t3 | oh wait, 10MB a day |
| 07:40.53 | kendrick | cpp0: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversion.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:40.54 | kendrick | ideas? |
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| 07:40.59 | slashme | To whomever wanted to extract URLS from webpages. |
| 07:41.02 | Skaag | that spam problem is serious isn't it... I forgot how bad it is |
| 07:41.08 | tictac | kendrick: install kernel-headers ? |
| 07:41.09 | qu1j0t3 | yeah kendrick, do a make oldconfig ? |
| 07:41.13 | Ubel | qu1j0t3, uhh what is your email? Ineedpenisenlargment@spamme.com |
| 07:41.17 | Skaag | tictac, if you really want one, you can have one :) |
| 07:41.21 | kendrick | tictac - did install kernel-headers |
| 07:41.21 | qu1j0t3 | oups I am thinking something else |
| 07:41.23 | tictac | Skaag: domain name? |
| 07:41.31 | qu1j0t3 | yeah viagra_addict@foo.com |
| 07:41.32 | Skaag | um, lemme see if I have something nice |
| 07:41.45 | kendrick | qu1 - no... v1agr'a :) |
| 07:41.47 | Ubel | heh |
| 07:41.54 | kendrick | or VlAGRA |
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| 07:42.14 | tictac | Skaag: sure, im not too keen on typing a 28 character email address.. |
| 07:42.22 | Skaag | tictac: there's donotpost.com if you want, and yerstuff.com |
| 07:42.30 | Zap-W | how do i run a list with apt-get or apt-cache , dpkg to show only current installed ediotors |
| 07:42.31 | KarlosII | ah CRAPPPPPP |
| 07:42.31 | tictac | which is what i have, unfortunately, from the army. |
| 07:42.32 | Zap-W | editors |
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| 07:42.42 | coltrane | hello all |
| 07:42.44 | tictac | donotpost.com works for me :) |
| 07:42.53 | kendrick | so, uh... |
| 07:42.54 | tictac | Skaag: auth pop? |
| 07:42.54 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 07:42.55 | Skaag | yep, it's actually intended for that |
| 07:42.55 | kendrick | cpp0: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversion.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:43.12 | W8TVI | some one giving away free email addresses? |
| 07:43.14 | Skaag | tictac, sure |
| 07:43.23 | tictac | ssl? :P |
| 07:43.31 | Skaag | should work as well |
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| 07:43.37 | Skaag | bit I haven't tested that yet |
| 07:43.41 | tictac | great. where do i sign up? |
| 07:43.50 | Skaag | I know for sure that imap-ssl works cuz I use that all the time |
| 07:44.02 | Skaag | you just tell me a mailbox name and i'll set it up ;-) |
| 07:44.12 | W8TVI | I only have 4 addresses on my v-card |
| 07:44.14 | tictac | tictac@donotpost.com |
| 07:44.22 | tictac | err tictac |
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| 07:44.37 | kendrick | someone asked if i had kernel-headers, which i do |
| 07:44.41 | robink | argh, can't parted ntfs |
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| 07:44.52 | kendrick | but i installed kernel-source and made /usr/src/linux symblink to it |
| 07:44.56 | tictac | robink: of course not. |
| 07:45.00 | robink | tictac: What will? |
| 07:45.00 | kendrick | should i have simply symlink'd kernel-headers? |
| 07:45.07 | tictac | partition magic ;) |
| 07:45.23 | tictac | robink: seriously though, im not sure. |
| 07:45.25 | bytewalker | what elite haxor tools do i need other than nmap and ethereal? |
| 07:45.33 | kendrick | i guess i can run x now, and take advantage of cut-n-paste ;) |
| 07:45.37 | tictac | robink: the last two ntfs partitions i have are about to be rm'd |
| 07:45.46 | g4lt | bytewalker a good lawyer... |
| 07:45.50 | robink | tictac: Why? |
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| 07:46.18 | bytewalker | u guys think i could hack a gibson? |
| 07:46.19 | qu1j0t3 | LOL gwlt |
| 07:46.23 | qu1j0t3 | g4lt |
| 07:46.32 | qu1j0t3 | guitar? |
| 07:46.32 | floppyears | how can I tell if I am running identd in debian? |
| 07:46.37 | floppyears | I can't figure it out |
| 07:46.44 | qu1j0t3 | check /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 07:46.45 | Skaag | bytewalker, netcat |
| 07:46.47 | g4lt | bytewalker I don't see why not. hacking a ASIC is easy |
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| 07:47.00 | W8TVI | hey Skaag |
| 07:47.06 | Skaag | hi W8TVI |
| 07:47.06 | W8TVI | can I ahve one too? :) |
| 07:47.13 | kendrick | ah, changing the symlink seemed to work |
| 07:47.38 | kendrick | i should probably re-place the /boot/config-2.4.18 as a symlink there, too... |
| 07:47.42 | floppyears | I have the file /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:48.01 | floppyears | but it talks about common services that uses ports |
| 07:48.03 | tictac | robink: why what? |
| 07:48.25 | floppyears | I tried to start it by typing "identd" as root since the command is not available as a normal user |
| 07:48.37 | floppyears | but when I did a "ps aux | grep identd" nothing appeared |
| 07:48.52 | kendrick | hrm, i did a 'modprobe hostap_pci' and it failed |
| 07:48.59 | kendrick | do i need to do some magic before modprobe'll see it? |
| 07:49.00 | robink | tictac: Why are you RMing your NTFS partitons? |
| 07:49.22 | kendrick | it got placed in /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/net/hostap*.* |
| 07:49.39 | floppyears | am I supposed to run identd as root or as a normal user? |
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| 07:50.07 | kendrick | tried specifying path... with and without ".o" |
| 07:50.08 | kendrick | :^( |
| 07:50.13 | qu1j0t3 | I suspect identd gets started by inetd? |
| 07:50.21 | win | while running perl -MCPAN -e 'install "t/date"' i guess it is the time date module for perl, does anyone know the correct name |
| 07:50.44 | tictac | robink: cause i dont need them anymore... |
| 07:50.52 | bob2 | don't use the CPAN module |
| 07:50.52 | bob2 | please? |
| 07:50.52 | bob2 | preety please? |
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| 07:51.09 | win | why? |
| 07:51.28 | jm_ | win: apt-cache show dh-make-perl |
| 07:51.34 | robink | It's too bad Linux & the GNU tools don'tt have full support for NTFS. |
| 07:51.44 | kendrick | sees if that helps |
| 07:51.46 | bob2 | robink: too bad MS won't actually document it |
| 07:51.53 | floppyears | qu1j0t3:inetd gets started by an /etc/init.d/ script |
| 07:51.53 | robink | bob2: It's undocumented? |
| 07:51.54 | kendrick | hey hey! |
| 07:51.55 | bob2 | robink: and also that they threaten people who try to support it. |
| 07:51.56 | kendrick | that worked |
| 07:51.57 | bob2 | robink: yes. |
| 07:51.58 | bytewalker | windows phears teh linux |
| 07:52.02 | robink | bob2: It's just a FS; seems like it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer |
| 07:52.05 | jm_ | bob2: I bet they have nice docs for non-linux developers ;) |
| 07:52.06 | g4lt | robink it's even worse that wind'ohs has no support at all for ext2/ext3/reiser |
| 07:52.07 | bob2 | robink: try it. |
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| 07:52.19 | robink | bob2: Yeah, OK |
| 07:52.32 | floppyears | qu1j0t3:since it is already loaded why would xchat say *** No identd (auth) response |
| 07:52.35 | bob2 | robink: it's an extremely complicated fs |
| 07:52.37 | robink | g4lt: I want to resize my NTFS partition and I will need to buy partition magic to make space for linux. |
| 07:52.41 | qu1j0t3 | yeah, but inetd starts daemons |
| 07:52.42 | qu1j0t3 | to listen |
| 07:52.45 | robink | bob2: Journaled w/ ACLs, I know... |
| 07:52.48 | qu1j0t3 | when a connection is made |
| 07:52.50 | bob2 | robink: no you don't, look harder for fuck's sake. |
| 07:52.58 | kendrick | floppyears, can people from the outside world connect to you? :) |
| 07:53.02 | robink | bob2: 'look harder'? Where? |
| 07:53.04 | bob2 | robink: there's been a Free tool to resize NTFS partitions for ~year now |
| 07:53.07 | qu1j0t3 | so, /etc/inetd.conf may have the relevant line |
| 07:53.10 | kendrick | i punched a hole in my firewall/router thingy (linksys device) |
| 07:53.10 | robink | bob2: Oh...hmm |
| 07:53.18 | floppyears | kendrick:yes I have ssh running and also apache |
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| 07:53.27 | kendrick | so that 'identd' connections went to one of the boxes here. so now, irc connections come up way faster |
| 07:53.34 | kendrick | floppyears, but can you connect to your identd port? :) |
| 07:53.36 | bytewalker | can i test nmap on someone here? |
| 07:53.48 | kendrick | (port 113 IIRC) |
| 07:53.50 | qu1j0t3 | also, u could ps ax|grep identd |
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| 07:54.01 | floppyears | kendrick:what is the port for identd? |
| 07:54.06 | kendrick | (port 113 IIRC) |
| 07:54.07 | kendrick | :) |
| 07:54.08 | qu1j0t3 | grep identd /etc/services |
| 07:54.12 | kendrick | i checked /etc/services |
| 07:54.14 | kendrick | exactly :) |
| 07:54.15 | floppyears | kendrick: oh now I know I am behind a router |
| 07:54.25 | qu1j0t3 | why, can u see it's ass? |
| 07:54.27 | floppyears | woukwould that make a difference |
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| 07:54.37 | kendrick | floppyears - yes it would :) |
| 07:54.41 | floppyears | thanks |
| 07:54.57 | kendrick | so, uh... |
| 07:55.01 | bytewalker | isnt SATAN like 10 years old? |
| 07:55.13 | karsten | @wb kendrick |
| 07:55.15 | ravenbird | Welcome back kendrick, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 07:55.29 | karsten | bytewalker: Um. Depends on your biblical interpretations ;-) |
| 07:55.36 | kendrick | karst |
| 07:55.45 | kendrick | rick ever gonna take that page down? :) |
| 07:55.49 | kendrick | i know he edited it, but still :^( |
| 07:56.02 | robink | qtparted has support for NTFS resize...rebooting again |
| 07:56.06 | kendrick | gar... okay, i tried doing 'ifup eth1' and get lots of SIO* errors :( |
| 07:56.06 | karsten | kendrick: History's something you earn. |
| 07:56.10 | karsten | kendrick: Not likely. |
| 07:56.15 | bytewalker | hey, is there a good sub7 client for linux? |
| 07:56.19 | bytewalker | or netbus |
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| 07:56.44 | kendrick | ooh - i notice the WLAN card's blinken light is blinkin' |
| 07:56.50 | karsten | kendrick: It's not there for my say-so. Though I appreciate his point. |
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| 07:57.10 | kendrick | mm |
| 07:57.38 | kendrick | meh, i'll use links for now :) |
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| 07:59.23 | kendrick | um... do i need pcmcia services to talk to a PCI-based WLAN card? (prism) |
| 07:59.41 | kendrick | OH SHIT |
| 07:59.46 | kendrick | hahah - i think i need wlan0 not eth1 :) |
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| 08:02.04 | karsten | Ketter: yes. |
| 08:02.12 | karsten | Ketter: NM. |
| 08:02.22 | Zap-W | i need a good admin linux guide |
| 08:02.25 | karsten | tempo: turn that off |
| 08:02.51 | karsten | Zap-W: "Running Linux". "RUTE", and the Debian website doc section. |
| 08:02.59 | bytewalker | tempo: are u still away?? |
| 08:03.07 | bytewalker | meh, i was hoping to trigger it:p |
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| 08:03.28 | Zap-W | karsten : running linux ? what is that a keyword to type in google? |
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| 08:04.51 | WAAB | Does anyone know if theres a mysql-server 4.1.1 package out there somewhere? |
| 08:05.04 | debian | karsten:beep him. :) |
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| 08:05.41 | qu1j0t3 | ok, does anyone know, where a POP client is going to need space, if you have a humongous /var/spool/mail/USER file? |
| 08:05.56 | qu1j0t3 | (note to self, NEVER make /var a smallish partition) |
| 08:06.25 | qu1j0t3 | my mail collection is failing because ipopd (and earlier, qpopper) can't get disk space but won't tell me where |
| 08:06.40 | qu1j0t3 | well, probably in /var somwhere |
| 08:07.31 | qu1j0t3 | uh ok, maybe I'll try /var/tmp |
| 08:07.39 | debian | qu1j0t3: may be just /tmp? |
| 08:07.43 | qu1j0t3 | symlinking it somewhere with room |
| 08:07.50 | qu1j0t3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.54 | debian | qu1j0t3: how about resizing it |
| 08:07.55 | karsten | Zap-W: It's a book title from O'Reilly |
| 08:07.55 | qu1j0t3 | checking /var/tmp |
| 08:08.04 | karsten | debian: ? |
| 08:08.23 | debian | qu1j0t3: if you're using some fancy journalling fs, that is. :) |
| 08:08.31 | debian | ^you're^you aren't |
| 08:08.46 | debian | karsten: chance that he's just sleeping on his keyboard. ;) |
| 08:09.06 | debian | karsten: oh he's not even login |
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| 08:09.40 | karsten | debian: Um. Yeah. |
| 08:10.29 | debian | !seen tempo |
| 08:10.30 | dpkg | tempo <~tempo@68-174-13-112.si.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 38m 35s ago, saying: 'anyone know how to fix smtp on exim? i am having some problems. i am not sure where my error is. i can't find any error in my logs'. |
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| 08:10.51 | Stripes | I'm writing a script and I want a program to start in the background, but still be able to be brought to the foreground later... what do I need to add to the line that starts the program to put it in the background? |
| 08:11.15 | The_Vult1re | Stripes: & probably |
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| 08:11.47 | Stripes | how do I bring the program to the forground later? |
| 08:12.00 | thomas_a1am | Stripes: fg %1 |
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| 08:12.52 | Stripes | but with & doens't it not show up in jobs? |
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| 08:13.03 | kerneld | Linux kernel 2.6.1 released |
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| 08:13.08 | thomas_adam | Stripes: prog & |
| 08:13.10 | debian | kerneld: wow |
| 08:13.13 | thomas_adam | Stripes: kill $(jobs -p) |
| 08:13.21 | kerneld | Old news? |
| 08:13.28 | blackisha | how can i get php4 working with apache2 (on testing) there dont appear to be php packages avail for apache2 |
| 08:13.32 | Sexys | hello |
| 08:13.37 | kerneld | Timestamp of the mail was one 2 minutes old |
| 08:13.50 | kerneld | 20 minutes |
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| 08:14.02 | debian | kerneld: I thought you're automatic bot prompting us of new kernel release. :) |
| 08:14.21 | Sexys | you speak spanish? |
| 08:14.33 | thomas_adam | !spanish |
| 08:14.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 08:14.45 | kerneld | Sexys: Si, poco |
| 08:14.59 | Sexys | guasy |
| 08:15.07 | Sexys | contesra |
| 08:15.09 | coltrane | someone using cacti here? |
| 08:15.21 | Sexys | eres tio o tia |
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| 08:15.32 | kerneld | tio |
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| 08:15.39 | qu1j0t3 | ok, it's not /var/tmp |
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| 08:15.41 | qu1j0t3 | I'm stumped |
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| 08:15.56 | kdie | hi - how do i check debian version on my installed box ? |
| 08:15.59 | BenderNZ | coltrane: it used to work for me but the latest version doesn't work full stop |
| 08:16.04 | Sexys | somos tres tias buenas |
| 08:16.05 | kerneld | estoy borracho con fajitas |
| 08:16.08 | thomas_adam | kdie: cat /etc/version* |
| 08:16.18 | Sexys | edad? |
| 08:16.38 | roy4lty- | bukkake |
| 08:16.40 | kdie | no version* in /etc |
| 08:16.51 | coltrane | BenderNZ: i'm trying to use it but can't get graph. so you don't use it anymore |
| 08:16.51 | bytewalker | thats /proc/version |
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| 08:16.58 | tvn | is gnome 2 in sarge yet ? how do I install it ? |
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| 08:17.15 | kdie | that's == uname -a ? |
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| 08:17.32 | BenderNZ | I'm having some trouble with apt, I have attempted to install libapache-mod-perl and got an error "mod_geoip.so does not have a corresponding .info file." and it won't install, or allow itself to be removed. As a result I can no longer install or remove any packages. |
| 08:17.33 | Sexys | contesta kerneld |
| 08:17.37 | Sexys | oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 08:17.54 | SlayerXP | Sexys: welcome to my /ignore list. |
| 08:18.08 | Sexys | k t follen |
| 08:18.08 | kdie | reason i asked - installed from cd 3_r1, did apt-get dist-upgrade .. wanna see whether it's now v3_r2 |
| 08:18.09 | kerneld | Sexys, estas locito |
| 08:18.18 | BenderNZ | coltrane: I'm in the process of just making my own rrdtool/mrtg graphs, it's easier than trying to figure cacti out |
| 08:18.21 | Sexys | k dices? |
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| 08:18.35 | SlayerXP | BenderNZ: I concur, I did just that. |
| 08:18.45 | Kensey | not strictly on topic, but I can't join #gaim. the server tells me: "#gaim :You need to be identified to join that channel" |
| 08:18.58 | debian | Quite straight forward to me. :) |
| 08:19.04 | amphi | Kensey: /msg nickserv help |
| 08:19.04 | thomas_adam | Kensey: /msg nikcserv regsiter |
| 08:19.08 | Sexys | no te entendemos |
| 08:19.11 | Kensey | ahhhh. |
| 08:19.14 | SlayerXP | Sexys: ENGLISH |
| 08:19.18 | Sexys | ehhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 08:19.24 | coltrane | BenderNZ: ok, good luck and i will perhaps ask you some question more if i do the same |
| 08:19.26 | Sexys | yes yes |
| 08:19.34 | Stripes | haha.. the changelog from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 is 103 pages long :) |
| 08:19.34 | wiz | Is there anyway to run .bat files in wine? |
| 08:19.48 | kdie | another Q - how can i list all files belonging to an installed package ? |
| 08:19.50 | Sexys | we are crazy |
| 08:19.58 | thomas_adam | kdie: dpkg -L <name> |
| 08:20.05 | tof | kdie : dpkg -L package |
| 08:20.10 | kdie | thanks |
| 08:20.13 | amphi | Sexys: we bloody well aren't |
| 08:20.21 | Sexys | answer please |
| 08:20.24 | floppyears | what's the best firewall program for debian linux? |
| 08:20.35 | floppyears | or what do you use? |
| 08:20.38 | kdie | ok - how do i check my current debian version ? |
| 08:20.40 | tof | SlayerXP: how do you ignore someone? |
| 08:20.41 | debian | floppyears: iptables (this one is easy) |
| 08:20.42 | dpblnt | i get 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.22/misc//lirc_dev.o ' after compiling lirc-modules, kernelimage-2.4.22-1-686 and kernel-source-2.4.22, lirc packages from testing, on woody. what do i need to compile them right? |
| 08:20.42 | SlayerXP | floppyears: ifconfig |
| 08:20.48 | Sexys | amphi:we are spanish |
| 08:20.57 | debian | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 08:20.58 | SlayerXP | toga: /help ignore |
| 08:21.08 | Sexys | you speak spanish |
| 08:21.08 | tof | SlayerXP: thx |
| 08:21.09 | floppyears | SlayerXP: ifconfig I thought that was a command |
| 08:21.20 | Kensey | thanks guys! |
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| 08:21.40 | kerneld | Sexys: ellos quieren a leer ingles solamente aqui |
| 08:21.41 | Sexys | answer |
| 08:21.42 | debian | floppyears: he was j/k. ifconfig eth0 down is the best firewall |
| 08:21.46 | SlayerXP | floppyears: I guarantee that, after typing 'ifconfig eth0 down', you will not be hacked via your first ethernet connection. |
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| 08:22.06 | Sexys | pues que le den por ... |
| 08:22.06 | zignig | SlayerXP: I prefer scissors for taking down interfaces. :) |
| 08:22.14 | Sexys | follin |
| 08:22.26 | debian | zignig: this is the best birth control tool in my country. XD |
| 08:22.37 | Sexys | contesta kerneld |
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| 08:22.54 | Sexys | jajja |
| 08:23.03 | SlayerXP | tof: for exmaple: /ignore *!*@*rima-tde.net all |
| 08:23.07 | zignig | debian: hehe , hey when are they going to release the .mars TLD ? |
| 08:23.28 | zignig | debian: although 8 minute ping makes it a bit laggy. |
| 08:23.36 | Sexys | que coño dices zuignig |
| 08:23.38 | debian | I really want to know what kind of people populated in rima-tde.net? |
| 08:23.38 | bytewalker | how do i ignore in bitchx? |
| 08:23.47 | floppyears | SlayerXP:now I get it :) |
| 08:24.06 | SlayerXP | bytewalker: /join #bitchx |
| 08:24.13 | Sexys | zignig????? |
| 08:24.16 | floppyears | seriously gusy do you know of any good firewall program |
| 08:24.25 | kerneld | My spanish is pretty average, but I don't think this guy is all there |
| 08:24.26 | bytewalker | haha, 1 person in #bitchx? |
| 08:24.27 | Skaag | floppyears, I use Shorewall |
| 08:24.35 | floppyears | Skaag:thanks |
| 08:24.36 | debian | floppyears: check my ansewr |
| 08:24.40 | thomas_adam | ~tell floppyears about polls |
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| 08:25.16 | Sexys | bye bye |
| 08:25.21 | debian | thank God |
| 08:25.25 | kerneld | Heh |
| 08:25.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:25.43 | helix` | wow, that's the first time one of them left without having to be banned.. |
| 08:25.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!~usuario@*.pooles.rima-tde.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:25.51 | debian | What are you doing dondelelcaro.... :( |
| 08:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:26.32 | helix` | debian: he's the ninja op |
| 08:26.45 | debian | helix`: I think all op here are ninja. Heya |
| 08:26.51 | helix` | heh. hi |
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| 08:26.59 | dondelelcaro | debian: at the moment? trying to finish up some code that I need to deliver on saturday... |
| 08:27.12 | debian | helix`: I cringe whenever I hear the loud arming sound of '+o' |
| 08:27.13 | roy4lty- | UCR? |
| 08:27.40 | helix` | debian: me too.. i wonder if i'm finally going to get offed for being OT 100% of the time |
| 08:27.51 | SlayerXP | s/of/on/ |
| 08:27.54 | debian | dondelelcaro: I was talking about that +o, n/m. :) I always wonder what kind of people in rima-tde.net anyway. :) |
| 08:28.05 | dondelelcaro | debian: I think it's a net cafe... |
| 08:28.08 | blackisha | how can i get php4 working with apache2 (on testing) there dont appear to be php packages avail for apache2 |
| 08:28.11 | dondelelcaro | debian: but I'm not exactly sure... |
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| 08:28.26 | debian | dondelelcaro: lots of people from there in freenode |
| 08:28.41 | debian | and most of them has mental problems. :) |
| 08:28.57 | dondelelcaro | debian: maybe a spanish mental institution? dunno. |
| 08:29.01 | debian | helix`: aren't you? :) *duck* |
| 08:29.09 | debian | lol@don |
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| 08:30.57 | helix` | hm. haven't upgraded in a while.. i guess marillat changed something |
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| 08:32.24 | Dorado | I have a dhcp problem where a client is making a request, the server responds with an offer but it never reached the client? |
| 08:32.39 | Dorado | s/reached/reaches/ |
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| 08:36.40 | bob2 | Dorado: where did the client's kernel come from? |
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| 08:38.43 | bob2 | blackisha: they don't exist anywhere, php support in apache2 varies from "Experimental" to "beta", depending on who you ask |
| 08:38.54 | Sleeper | how do i get debian? |
| 08:38.56 | Sleeper | i mean |
| 08:38.58 | Sleeper | how do i get emacs |
| 08:39.01 | Sleeper | with debian? |
| 08:39.09 | Stripes | can the numbers after the S in an init script be anything? |
| 08:39.16 | bob2 | Sleeper: how do you normally install packages in Debian? |
| 08:39.24 | Sleeper | apt-get install |
| 08:39.26 | Sleeper | yada yada |
| 08:39.30 | bob2 | Stripes: they determine the order in which they're started. 00 is the lowest, 99 is last. |
| 08:39.37 | bob2 | Sleeper: it's in the "emacs21" package. |
| 08:39.39 | Sleeper | whats the yada yada |
| 08:39.45 | Sleeper | how do i check that? |
| 08:39.52 | Stripes | what if there is more than one number? |
| 08:39.55 | Sleeper | i just transferred over from gentoo, so I am a bit new |
| 08:39.56 | Sleeper | sorry |
| 08:39.56 | Stripes | like two 33 |
| 08:40.00 | bob2 | Sleeper: hwo do you mean? check that I'm not lying to you? |
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| 08:40.20 | Sleeper | no i mean install emacs.. is it "apt-get install emacs21 |
| 08:40.23 | bob2 | Stripes: then in order of the name after the number. if they have the same number, they don't care which goes first, usually. |
| 08:40.26 | bob2 | Sleeper: yup. |
| 08:40.30 | bob2 | hey tc. |
| 08:40.41 | Stripes | cool |
| 08:40.51 | mperry | bob2 what if I want to install yada yada? |
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| 08:40.54 | Sleeper | bob2, it keeps telling me that it is not found. |
| 08:41.02 | bob2 | mperry: then you need to package it, first ;-) |
| 08:41.06 | mperry | heh :) |
| 08:41.08 | bob2 | !+info emacs21 woody |
| 08:41.12 | dpkg | emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor.), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.2-1 (woody), Packaged size: 12586 kB, Installed size: 40682 kB |
| 08:41.14 | bob2 | Sleeper: it's in there. |
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| 08:41.26 | bob2 | Sleeper: how did you install Debian? if it's from cds, perhaps you don't have them all? |
| 08:41.37 | Sleeper | is there a dhcp client i could run to get my IP? |
| 08:41.41 | helix` | Sleeper: apt-cache search emacs |
| 08:41.47 | dpblnt | does anyone have lirc modules for 2.4.22-1-686? i can't get them to compile. |
| 08:41.50 | bob2 | Sleeper: pump or dhclient. |
| 08:42.02 | bob2 | dpblnt: 2.4.22 is OLD and very, very buggy. |
| 08:42.13 | helix` | jeez, it's not *that* old |
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| 08:42.40 | bob2 | helix`: OLD LIKE YOMOMMA. |
| 08:42.51 | helix` | bob2: she had me when she was 13. she isn't old. |
| 08:43.02 | deadcat | damn! (= |
| 08:43.11 | bob2 | helix`: hardcore! |
| 08:43.17 | bob2 | I didn't have my first kid until I was *14*. |
| 08:43.21 | dpblnt | bob2: i know, but that's what i need(closest to stable, that handles my i810_audio) |
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| 08:43.58 | helix` | this is worse than the 0625 cron job.. |
| 08:44.12 | bob2 | downloading packages? |
| 08:44.18 | helix` | they're installing now |
| 08:44.23 | helix` | all 523 of them |
| 08:44.29 | bob2 | hah. |
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| 08:48.49 | debian | !tell [Abraxas] about root |
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| 08:49.56 | shoutt | whos the maintainer for metacity in sid? |
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| 08:51.12 | shoutt | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115072 < this bug has been fixed on metacity stables branch, 2.6.3-something, But still on debian unstable, it hasnt been udapted... |
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| 08:53.20 | bob2 | !maint metacity |
| 08:53.40 | dpkg | metacity: Akira TAGOH <tagoh@debian.org> |
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| 08:54.45 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice Text::Template |
| 08:54.53 | ndee | hey there, anyone got a good link to some basic VPN knowledge like... VPN for dummies or something in that manner? |
| 08:55.24 | kerneld | !sacrifice poptop for ndee |
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| 08:55.42 | fooz | heh |
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| 08:55.53 | g4lt | !sacrifice kerneld |
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| 08:56.07 | ndee | 404, can't find the funny |
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| 08:57.42 | paul_ | bots lagged? |
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| 08:58.35 | debian | not really |
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| 09:00.51 | paul_ | they not responding.. |
| 09:01.19 | debian | ~lart paul_ |
| 09:01.23 | debian | !lart paul_ |
| 09:01.25 | bob2 | what's a package that was updated in sid today? |
| 09:01.27 | debian | @lart paul_ |
| 09:01.36 | debian | paul_: they look okay to me |
| 09:01.37 | bob2 | any |
| 09:01.52 | paul_ | meh |
| 09:01.53 | debian | bob2: letme check |
| 09:02.12 | shoutt | i just emailed the metacity maintainer over 115072.. hope to get an answer |
| 09:02.13 | shoutt | thanks |
| 09:02.14 | shoutt | bye |
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| 09:02.44 | paul_ | apt epic4? |
| 09:02.45 | | epic4 is, like, a kick ass irc client, but officially known as \"irc II EPIC4\" and better than bitchx |
| 09:03.07 | paul_ | bah.. he wasn't responding to my msg's i promise |
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| 09:03.33 | shanti | hi all |
| 09:03.35 | shanti | sorry |
| 09:03.41 | debian | paul_: he just hates you |
| 09:03.50 | debian | paul_: it takes to me privately |
| 09:03.53 | debian | talks* |
| 09:03.57 | shanti | i can't compile 2.6.0 with my sid |
| 09:04.07 | SlayerXP | shanti: sucks to be you |
| 09:04.15 | bytewalker | epic4, ohh. that one there was a remote exploit for awhile ago? |
| 09:04.16 | debian | shanti: why compile 2.6.0 when you can get 2.6.1? |
| 09:04.18 | bytewalker | oh yea that thing |
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| 09:04.24 | kremlyn | http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html |
| 09:04.25 | shanti | debian that also |
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| 09:04.38 | shanti | /bin/sh: line 1: cd: drivers/pci: No such file or directory |
| 09:04.38 | shanti | /bin/sh: line 1: ./gen-devlist: No such file or directory |
| 09:04.39 | shanti | make[3]: *** [drivers/pci/devlist.h] Error 127 |
| 09:04.39 | shanti | make[2]: *** [drivers/pci] Error 2 |
| 09:04.39 | shanti | make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2 |
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| 09:04.49 | shanti | ops |
| 09:04.51 | debian | bob2: fortune-mod fortunes fortunes-min libcupsys2 libdb4.2 |
| 09:04.57 | shanti | sorry |
| 09:04.59 | shanti | that is the error |
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| 09:07.14 | bob2 | debian: thanks. |
| 09:07.29 | debian | np |
| 09:07.37 | bob2 | shanti: get 2.6.1 |
| 09:07.48 | bob2 | shanti: or whatever release candidate is most recent. |
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| 09:08.14 | berto- | how do i go about upgrading from 3.0 to the latest release (3.0r2, i believe?) |
| 09:08.16 | bob2 | !info libdb4.2 |
| 09:08.20 | dpkg | libdb4.2: (Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries [runtime]), section libs, is standard. Version: 4.2.52-4 (sid), Packaged size: 378 kB, Installed size: 912 kB |
| 09:08.29 | bob2 | berto-: run "apt-get upgrade" |
| 09:08.37 | bob2 | gr, stupid apt-proxy |
| 09:08.39 | debian | What is the quick way to merge every three lines in a file into one line? |
| 09:09.04 | berto- | bob2: if i run update in dselect, will it also upgrade ? |
| 09:09.08 | jm_ | debian: vim |
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| 09:09.43 | jm_ | debian: or even sed |
| 09:09.44 | bob2 | berto-: yeah |
| 09:09.44 | debian | jm_: hmm..I don't want to do it interactively. Thanks. :) |
| 09:09.48 | ozfrog | hello packages.debian.org = down. Anyone know an alternative for a cramfs patch __ thx |
| 09:09.58 | jm_ | debian: then use vim in non-interactive mode, doh |
| 09:10.01 | berto- | bob2: sweet, thanks. |
| 09:10.02 | ozfrog | hi bob2 |
| 09:10.24 | debian | jm_: but I dont' know how to merge every three lines into one. |
| 09:10.24 | bob2 | ozfrog: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:10.24 | debian | jm_: with sed |
| 09:10.32 | bob2 | ozfrog: download the .diff.gz of a Debian kernel source package? |
| 09:11.11 | zapw | so has anyone here done a 1700+ to 2500+ upgrade? |
| 09:11.20 | ozfrog | bob2 you'll need a minute :) Original kernel 2.4.21. Need Speedtouch 330 and Tekram dc395U scsi card support. These are available in 2.4.24 plus a Tekram patch. |
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| 09:11.41 | knoppix | hallo |
| 09:12.18 | knoppix | hallo |
| 09:12.24 | jm_ | debian: sed can't do in-place editing unless you have a fairly recent version |
| 09:12.32 | ozfrog | I don't have an IT connection on the Linux Box, so cannot DL a 'debianised' 2.4.24 ( including the cramfs patch ) so DL-ed a 'pristine' 2.4.24 from kernel.org. Now need to patch this if I want to use initrd options |
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| 09:12.45 | bob2 | ozfrog: do you really want to use initrd? |
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| 09:12.53 | debian | jm_: I think I may just merge the entire file into one line and then cut. :( |
| 09:13.02 | jm_ | debian: no, use ex |
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| 09:13.25 | debian | ex?... |
| 09:13.38 | debian | k |
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| 09:13.50 | knoppix | mutrfuck |
| 09:13.57 | knoppix | wear me i |
| 09:14.06 | knoppix | i think |
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| 09:14.19 | knoppix | i went to a porn site |
| 09:14.21 | bob2 | haha |
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| 09:14.28 | bob2 | knoppix people are funny. |
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| 09:14.29 | Hal9002 | :) |
| 09:14.35 | ozfrog | bob2 Not at all. I used make-kpkg + dpkg -i with the 2.4.24, opted for a1fa-to-EU bootable floppy. This booted fine, but couldn't find my root sector, asked for 'boot=' options, but no way to supply them, so I went back to my original idea of patching the 2.4.24 for initrd - thus, cramfs patch needed |
| 09:14.39 | Shadur | knoppix: I'm happy for you, but I really didn't need to know that. |
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| 09:14.50 | knoppix_ | hello |
| 09:14.53 | knoppix_ | motherfuckers |
| 09:14.54 | Shadur | Whoa, just ran afoul of a kernel oops in 2.6.1-rc2-mm1 |
| 09:14.56 | debian | bob2: more incoming! |
| 09:15.02 | knoppix | i m a 18 jears old boy from holland |
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| 09:15.07 | knoppix_ | mohameddahhh |
| 09:15.08 | Hal9002 | does anybody know the debian eggdrop package? i know eggdrop, just don't know where debian installs all the stuff... dunno where i have to put the config file! |
| 09:15.11 | knoppix_ | bilnaat |
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| 09:15.21 | SlayerXP | Hal9002: try reading the docs |
| 09:15.57 | Hal9002 | i read them, it's not clear... it tells about running a script which isnt on my sstemm |
| 09:16.00 | linux-neuling | hallo? |
| 09:16.03 | Shadur | bob2: On behalf of non-stupid dutch people, allow me to apologise for not throttling that twit in the crib. |
| 09:16.05 | bob2 | ozfrog: if you're not using initrd, you need to include support for your actual root filesystem type and ide/scsi controller *in* the kernel, not as modules. did you do that? |
| 09:16.13 | Hal9002 | it just says "copy the config file from the docs to the bot dir"... |
| 09:16.22 | SlayerXP | Hal9002: then do so. |
| 09:16.29 | Hal9002 | wheres the bot dir... theres just /usr/bin/eggdrop |
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| 09:16.41 | Shadur | Hal9002: hint: man dpkg |
| 09:16.47 | jm_ | debian: or use -s with vim |
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| 09:17.04 | Hal9002 | 4. chmod +x eggdrop.conf.dist, run `./eggdrop.conf.dist -m', that conf.dist is not anywhere |
| 09:17.51 | debian | jm-: wwhat does it do, man page doesn't show it |
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| 09:17.54 | ozfrog | bob2 Hmmm maybe not. Currently ext2 + journaling. IDE controller is properly set, but will this indicate to the boot floppy process that my root sector is on 2nd HDD i.e. /dev/hdc2? |
| 09:17.57 | jm_ | debian: yes it does |
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| 09:18.25 | Hal9002 | oh |
| 09:18.33 | debian | jm_: oh silent mode |
| 09:18.41 | jm_ | debian: no |
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| 09:18.55 | jm_ | debian: -s lala |
| 09:19.34 | ozfrog | bob2 a real pissoff :) the boot dmesg indicates that all the Tekram stuff and Speedtouch stuff is recognised and all, then Kernel Panic! Can't find your root sector _ |
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| 09:20.05 | Piru | ext 2 + journal? you perhaps mean ext3? |
| 09:20.16 | bob2 | Shadur: hah, appreciated! |
| 09:20.37 | bob2 | ozfrog: are you sure you have support for whatever controller your root disk is on?is root= set correctly? |
| 09:20.47 | knoppix | If i havent set a Knoppix password what would the default be? |
| 09:20.58 | The_Vulture | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 09:21.25 | bytewalker | can someone send me a genesis .rom plz, gotta test something |
| 09:21.36 | ozfrog | bob2 Exactly what I'm unsure of - obviously NOT if it's puking, but I'm unsure where to set this__ menuconfig? |
| 09:21.43 | knoppix | Sorry |
| 09:21.44 | dondelelcaro | bytewalker: uh, codone warez elsewhere please. |
| 09:21.53 | dondelelcaro | s/cod/cond/ |
| 09:22.00 | bob2 | heh |
| 09:22.02 | ozfrog | Piru yes prolly ext3 |
| 09:22.09 | bob2 | ozfrog: in menuconfig, yes |
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| 09:23.36 | ozfrog | bob2 I obviously need to look harder - the support for IDE is set OK, but I didn't notice somewhere to specify root=. I suppose you are certain that this is set in the config process? |
| 09:23.48 | bytewalker | hey are there any nintendo 64 emulators for linux? |
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| 09:24.02 | bob2 | ozfrog: root is set when you talk to your boot loader, ie in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:24.03 | bob2 | bytewalker: no |
| 09:24.07 | bob2 | bytewalker: #warez |
| 09:24.20 | Shadur | Is there a good comprehensive way of checking whether your memory/swap is currently functioning properly? I ran into a kernel bug and I'm trying to figure out what caused it |
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| 09:24.29 | bytewalker | emulating isnt warez! |
| 09:24.33 | bob2 | Shadur: memtest86 |
| 09:24.39 | bob2 | bytewalker: oh, you extracted the roms yourself? |
| 09:24.54 | pngwn | heh |
| 09:24.58 | bytewalker | who said anything about roms? |
| 09:25.16 | ozfrog | bob2 My error again :) I heeded dpkg's warning against using Lilo with double-O.S. systems, but guess i need to tweak it for the floppy-boot to know where to lok? |
| 09:25.16 | Zap-W | heh |
| 09:25.16 | Shadur | bob2: Including swap partitions as that might be the cause |
| 09:25.16 | bytewalker | i am asking scritly for the emulator so imay uhh, analyze it |
| 09:25.29 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to configure my computer so it can power off automatically while shutdown? |
| 09:25.29 | bob2 | oh, my mistake? |
| 09:25.29 | Shadur | [10:21] <bytewalker> can someone send me a genesis .rom plz, gotta test |
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| 09:25.33 | XinmingLai | anyone would help? |
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| 09:25.55 | Shadur | bytewalker: Unless I hallucinated you typing that. |
| 09:26.02 | bob2 | ozfrog: what? lilo doesn't know anything about floppies. and where did it warn you about using lilo to boot multiple OSs? it warns you to check if the setup is correct, but that's it. |
| 09:26.09 | bob2 | XinmingLai: load the "apm" module. |
| 09:26.23 | bytewalker | oh, i was talking about the n64 emu.. hee |
| 09:26.38 | XinmingLai | bob2: Ok,thanks,I will try. |
| 09:26.42 | XinmingLai | bob2: bbl |
| 09:26.47 | bytewalker | i would only accept a .rom that didnt violate copyright of course |
| 09:26.49 | bob2 | bytewalker: oh, you're writing your own code for the n64? |
| 09:26.59 | bytewalker | yea |
| 09:27.07 | Shadur | ... and boom. It might be. |
| 09:27.35 | bob2 | bytewalker: oh, where? I've nmever seen MIPSEL assemlber before. Can I see some? |
| 09:27.52 | Shadur | Especially as after the bug occurs it won't let me swapoff that partition any more |
| 09:28.00 | bytewalker | sure hold on |
| 09:28.00 | XinmingLai | bob2: do you mean "cat apm >> /etc/modules" plz? |
| 09:28.13 | bytewalker | while ur waiting, send that rom k |
| 09:28.22 | bytewalker | lols |
| 09:28.26 | bob2 | XinmingLai: yes, or "modprobe apm". |
| 09:28.28 | bob2 | bytewalker: dude. |
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| 09:28.48 | Shadur | bytewalker: Do you always talk this much like a moron, or has the smell of warez rotted your language centers? |
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| 09:29.07 | bytewalker | Shadur: hahahha |
| 09:29.18 | XinmingLai | bob2: BIOS not found |
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| 09:29.36 | XinmingLai | bob2: I got this error while execute modprobe apm |
| 09:29.49 | Shadur | That wasn't a joke |
| 09:30.08 | bytewalker | i cant believe theres not a n64 emu for linux |
| 09:30.20 | The_Vulture | bytewalker: sucks to be you then.. |
| 09:30.34 | Shadur | bytewalker: I can't believe you're that incompetent in looking for one |
| 09:30.34 | bytewalker | mabey i can run an emulator with wine |
| 09:30.37 | ozfrog | bob2 Order + syntax are polly wrong, but at end of dpkg -i I get the following. 1/ You need to configure Lilo or other boot loader. 2/ If you have another OS on your system, be careful writing Lilo to MBR 3/ Shall I write LIlo to MBR 4/ Shall I overwrite old Lilo.conf 5/ Shall I make you a bootable floppy if there's enough room. |
| 09:30.49 | XinmingLai | bob2: Could you plz tell me how to resolve this problem plz? |
| 09:30.51 | SuperPhly | anyone know how to address this problem: group 3125's inode bitmap at 102400000 conflicts with some other fs block |
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| 09:30.58 | Shadur | bytewalker: maybe you can go bother people elsewhere in your righteous quest for warez. |
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| 09:31.23 | SlayerXP | SuperPhly: which fs? |
| 09:31.31 | SuperPhly | ext3 |
| 09:31.33 | montag | how to reconfigure network in debian ? At install i've setup dhcp network, now i want to remove dhcp and setup a static address....there's a specific installation script ??? |
| 09:31.34 | SuperPhly | on an lvm |
| 09:31.39 | bytewalker | warez? i only want to play mario 64, which i alrdy own thx |
| 09:31.43 | SlayerXP | odd, not seen that one before. |
| 09:31.50 | Shadur | montag: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:31.52 | SuperPhly | yea, i think it's LVM related |
| 09:31.54 | SuperPhly | google for it |
| 09:32.04 | dondelelcaro | bytewalker: that's nice. This is not the place to ask for it. Please stop. |
| 09:32.05 | bob2 | XinmingLai: no, sorry. |
| 09:32.11 | pngwn | the quality of trolls has gone down lately |
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| 09:32.35 | bob2 | ozfrog: ok, now you've lost me. |
| 09:32.35 | bytewalker | pngwn how am i doing? |
| 09:32.42 | XinmingLai | Ok,I would ask any other one for this.thanks all the same. |
| 09:32.43 | Shadur | ... and splat. It's not the swap space, or it's both partitions, which is unlikely since I'd have gotten the error earlier |
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| 09:32.49 | ozfrog | bob2 not my intention :) |
| 09:32.51 | XinmingLai | bob2: thanks all the same |
| 09:32.51 | Shadur | bytewalker: Very very poorly. |
| 09:33.17 | bytewalker | i think ur jealous of me |
| 09:33.24 | bob2 | bytewalker: stop it. |
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| 09:33.39 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to resolve the problem plz?while I execute" modprobe apm" I get BIOS not found... |
| 09:33.40 | bytewalker | aha, ok imma take a break brb |
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| 09:34.22 | dondelelcaro | !ur |
| 09:34.23 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 09:34.38 | ozfrog | !troll |
| 09:34.38 | dpkg | methinks troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
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| 09:34.50 | bytewalker | !ur gay |
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| 09:34.54 | montag | Shadur: and for restart network and verify the new setup ?? |
| 09:34.56 | jing | Wow so many here |
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| 09:35.13 | Shadur | montag: I tend to use ifup/ifdown for that |
| 09:35.30 | jing | debian sarge pxe install have a problem |
| 09:35.47 | montag | Shadur: if i'm remote connected via ssh ??? In redhat i'll send a service network restart...but in debian ?? |
| 09:35.48 | jing | can't detect intel eepro100 card |
| 09:35.55 | ozfrog | bob2 I'll run dpkg -i again and see if things improve - only way I guess. |
| 09:36.12 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to resolve the problem plz?while |
| 09:36.14 | XinmingLai | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.30 | dondelelcaro | XinmingLai: your motherboard might not have apm support. |
| 09:36.47 | dondelelcaro | XinmingLai: or the kernel doesn't support your motherboard. Search google for people with your motherboard and/or chipset. |
| 09:36.54 | XinmingLai | dondelelcaro: I believe it does. |
| 09:37.06 | ozfrog | bob2 BUT, if Lilo knows nothing about floppies as you say, then how can dpkg make a bootable floppy that knows where the root sector lies? |
| 09:37.17 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: using rdev |
| 09:37.25 | XinmingLai | dondelelcaro: And this worked for me while the previous time when I installed debian |
| 09:37.40 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: boot floppies are very different from bootable hard drives... |
| 09:38.01 | XinmingLai | But don't know why it shut for this time. |
| 09:38.04 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro yes they are aren't they |
| 09:38.06 | dondelelcaro | XinmingLai: same motherboard? |
| 09:38.09 | annoia_ | When running apt-get update I get: "Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 09:38.09 | annoia_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.09 | annoia_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.09 | annoia_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:38.19 | annoia_ | DAMN IRSSI! |
| 09:38.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell annoia_ about dynamic mmap |
| 09:38.34 | dondelelcaro | annoia_: there's nothing wrong with irssi. read /topic |
| 09:38.43 | XinmingLai | dondelelcaro: yeap,the same machine |
| 09:38.49 | annoia_ | And why does irssi take (backslash) n as newline? |
| 09:38.49 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro are you knowledgeable about boot floppies? |
| 09:38.58 | XinmingLai | dondelelcaro: not only the mother board.all things are the same. |
| 09:39.13 | confazed | NickServ just kicked my ass |
| 09:39.22 | confazed | damn i need sleep |
| 09:39.30 | bytewalker | how do i get dhclient to run at bootup? |
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| 09:39.38 | dondelelcaro | bytewalker: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:39.52 | annoia_ | dondelelcaro - Thanks for the bot, but I _did_ try not to flood :( |
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| 09:40.07 | YazzY | hi guys |
| 09:40.14 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro rdev? |
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| 09:40.29 | dondelelcaro | annoia_: in the future, just telling us E: Dynamic MMAP ran out of room is ok, or pasting the entire error in #flood is better. |
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| 09:40.38 | dondelelcaro | annoia_: anyway, now you know. |
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| 09:41.00 | debian | jm_: another question: is there any way to preserve description when using lynx -dump? :) |
| 09:41.17 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: that's how you set the kernel to boot. there's a mkboot command in debian that does the whole thing for you as well. |
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| 09:41.24 | YazzY | any of you do embedded stuff? I have a small firmware upgrade for a linux based access point and file command says its a binary. I think it must be xtracted someohow or memory mounted. Any ideas what it could be ? |
| 09:41.34 | YazzY | or how to deal with it ? |
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| 09:41.50 | YazzY | i wanna take a look inside |
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| 09:42.12 | annoia_ | dondelelcaro - Well, thanks :) |
| 09:42.13 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: depends on the access point. Some of them are compressed, others are just totally raw. |
| 09:42.15 | jm_ | debian: nope, you have say [2]..( freshmeat - news ).. and then 2. http://freshmeat.net/ - you have to link the two manually |
| 09:42.31 | keta | happy new year debian pals |
| 09:42.43 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro Ok I'll look at both. Still can't figure how dpkg -i can make me a bootable floppy without somehow telling the boot process where to look for the root sector_ I'm SO near!!!! |
| 09:42.59 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: you mean the root device? |
| 09:43.03 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: it's name suggests its a compressed image but i could not decompress it with either bzip or gzip. What do you think could be used on systems like that ? |
| 09:43.19 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: just about anything. The ones I used to work with used LZW |
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| 09:43.31 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: and if it is a raw file, how would it be extracted by the system to flash the old build and config files, binaries, etc |
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| 09:43.50 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro yep The floppy boot works fine - I get all the dmegs stuff then 'KernelPanic' can't find root device - please append 'boot=' option |
| 09:43.53 | bucky | YazzY, is it a Linksys Wrt54g ? |
| 09:44.23 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: i imagine it is either extracted to memory and then overwrites the old files or directly to the file system during upgrade. |
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| 09:44.46 | YazzY | bucky: no, it is some atheros AP we got from Taiwan that has no name label on it |
| 09:44.47 | bucky | YazzY, if it is a there's already a hack |
| 09:44.47 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: dpends on the device. Often they just load the flash image into memory, check the checksum and crc, then start writing it to the secondary flash, reboot to the secondary to test, fail over to the primary if something goes wrong. |
| 09:44.48 | bucky | www.isel.ipl.pt/~pribeiro/LinksysWRT54G.html |
| 09:45.00 | debian | jm_: :O |
| 09:45.01 | dobby | hello i would like to install dri. I did it like this: I compiled 2.6 kernel with make-kpkg --append-version-to=.01.09.04 kernel_image modules_image. But module image fails. Then i installed the kernel with dpkg. After rebooting and installing the DRI deb packages and untar source for unstable i did a make-kpkg modules_image. But modules image fails again. Does someone of you guys see a mistake in what i did? |
| 09:45.04 | bytewalker | [01:55:27] Will says: |
| 09:45.05 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: but there are a few hundred different ways that you could write such a thing |
| 09:45.14 | bytewalker | oops, stupid copypaste |
| 09:45.16 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro The floppy (seems) only to have a vmlinuz file (unless there are other hideen files) NO bootloader or such |
| 09:45.17 | debian | jm_: sounds like I can't get lazy at this point. |
| 09:45.19 | bytewalker | good thing the next line of that didnt get pasted:p |
| 09:45.32 | YazzY | bucky: thx |
| 09:45.36 | bucky | np |
| 09:45.41 | tictac | anyone here gotten quickrip to run (the frontend for mencoder) ? |
| 09:45.56 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: which ways would be the most common? |
| 09:46.00 | dondelelcaro | bytewalker: the boot loader is in the boot sector of the floppy. It's not a file that you can see when you mount it. |
| 09:46.14 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro That was for me I guess |
| 09:46.21 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: yeah... |
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| 09:46.28 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro Ok no wonder then |
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| 09:46.47 | dobby | someone have DRI installed here? |
| 09:46.48 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: i tried to mount the image as memory file system on my bsd and then as ext2, what file system do u think those images can use ? |
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| 09:47.02 | cafuego | dobby: yes, but not the ati one. |
| 09:47.11 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro So it must be dpkg that writes the location of the boot dev/sector stuff |
| 09:47.19 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: I'd bet on a cram or ramfs stystem, but it could be anything. |
| 09:47.26 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: nah, dpkg calls mkboot |
| 09:47.36 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: it must be something supported by linux |
| 09:47.43 | YazzY | since the whole AP runs linux |
| 09:47.48 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: well, more correctly, dpkg calls the kernel package's postinst which calls mkboot |
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| 09:48.15 | cafuego | YazzY: 'file <file>' and see what it says |
| 09:48.16 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro Fine - then if it doesn't prompt ME for the location, I take it for granted it knows :) |
| 09:48.26 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: yerp |
| 09:48.42 | YazzY | cafuego: it says data |
| 09:48.42 | dobby | cafugo: its not a deja vue i'am trying to do this no since yesterday! but it just does not work ;( |
| 09:48.46 | ozfrog | ~lart mkboot |
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| 09:49.38 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro Well! If it ain't workin' what do you suggest - try re-running dpkg -i and praying? |
| 09:50.13 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: what isn't working? [sorry, I didn't see your original question...] |
| 09:50.24 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro Aha OK. |
| 09:50.30 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: any pointers on where i should start with that image file to mount it myself and be able to take a look inside and maybe create a new one ? |
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| 09:50.34 | berto- | has anyone tried to install php on debian? i'm getting a segfault when trying to "make install" php 4.3.3 and 4.3.4 ... : \ |
| 09:50.40 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: all i wanna do is to upgrade it a bit |
| 09:50.52 | berto- | i'm using gcc 3.0.4 |
| 09:51.01 | `Butthead | I read up. |
| 09:51.17 | [NZ]jeremie | hi all.... got a new pc today, 1800 opteron 144 |
| 09:51.19 | cafuego | berto-: wtf are you compiling it then? There are packages. |
| 09:51.29 | [NZ]jeremie | trying to install debian on it. |
| 09:51.32 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: request that the manufacturer send you source to make the image in compliance with the GPL. |
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| 09:51.45 | cafuego | !x86-64 |
| 09:51.50 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: it'll take you a lot less time than reverse engineering it without any experience. |
| 09:51.51 | [NZ]jeremie | it cant see the sata hdds |
| 09:51.55 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro When I boot from the floppy, I get all the dmesg stuff (my long awaited Speedtouch 330 and Tekram dc395U patches have worked ) then at the moment it starts to look for the boot device/sector (delete as appro ) it send the dreaded kernelPanic message, can't find boot/root sector, please append 'boot=' option |
| 09:52.03 | cafuego | [NZ]jeremie: you need a kernel with sata support. |
| 09:52.05 | berto- | cafuego: the packages don't have all the options i need. |
| 09:52.13 | cafuego | berto-: Such as? |
| 09:52.19 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: the problem is we wanted to buy sources but they are just too slow with responses |
| 09:52.19 | [NZ]jeremie | where do i get that kernel? |
| 09:52.28 | [NZ]jeremie | do i have to compile it? |
| 09:52.33 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: ah, so when it prepares to start (you'll probably see a lilo prompt or something) and just go boot=/dev/foo |
| 09:52.34 | [NZ]jeremie | i'm real noob |
| 09:52.43 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: and i do have experience with embedded and bsd but not that much about linux's way of doing the same thing |
| 09:52.45 | cafuego | [NZ]jeremie: There *may* be an opteron kernel... |
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| 09:52.46 | berto- | js, domxml, gd, jpeg, png, tiff image manipulation, etc. |
| 09:52.47 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: if not, mount the floppy, and run rdev to do it. |
| 09:52.49 | thinkgeek | Hi all |
| 09:52.51 | thinkgeek | :))) |
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| 09:52.57 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: man rdev to see about that. |
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| 09:53.13 | cafuego | berto-: there are apckages for that. |
| 09:53.23 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: all i need is some pointers from someone who did that before or does on linux , on how i would go about to mount that image , the rest is peanuts when i am done with the first part |
| 09:53.35 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro no Lilo prompt. Either I'm typing black on black, the keyboard isn't recognised, or something else__no way to enter the info boot=/dev/hdc2 |
| 09:54.00 | cafuego | berto-: Notable php4-gd(2) php4-xslt |
| 09:54.11 | cafuego | berto-: apt-cache search php4 will list them. |
| 09:54.12 | dondelelcaro | ozfrog: yeah, then mount the floppy somewhere and use rdev to change the root location, or use a boot cd to rescue the system... |
| 09:54.16 | cafuego | berto-: xml is built-in. |
| 09:54.39 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: again, the image could be anything. It's almost definetly not just a file system. |
| 09:55.21 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro OK system OK I have the 2.4.21 floppy which works fine ( uses syslinux+ldlinux.sys + linboot.img ) |
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| 09:55.57 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: it must have some files inside of it mounted in either memory or directly as a file system after extraction, that is what's an logical approach. Am i right ? |
| 09:56.02 | berto- | cafuego: thanks! |
| 09:56.07 | zeeble | anyone here using "gallery" on their website? is it better to use netpbm or imagemagick? |
| 09:56.08 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: no, not necessarily. |
| 09:56.16 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: then there must be a way to either dd it or mount as memory file system.. |
| 09:56.22 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: what else can it be then ? |
| 09:57.08 | berto- | cafuego: i'm still pissed that i'm not getting it to compile tho ... : \ |
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| 09:58.21 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: it could just be a kernel concatenated with a cramfs compressed with a loader stuck on the frontend and a checksum and crc appended. |
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| 09:58.30 | robink | Will kernel 2.6 compile with GCC 3.3? |
| 09:58.44 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: or it could be a totally monolitic system, with no userspace and just a kernel. |
| 09:59.17 | cafuego | robink: Yes. |
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| 09:59.38 | zeeble | robink heh, yes |
| 09:59.56 | zeeble | anyone recommend a good embedded linux book? |
| 10:00.15 | confazed | wait for better hardware in a year |
| 10:00.42 | confazed | we're so far behind humane embedded linux systems |
| 10:00.47 | zeeble | heh |
| 10:00.51 | bob2 | robink: if not, there's a bug in one of them. |
| 10:01.10 | zeeble | bob2 when do you sleep? |
| 10:01.58 | bob2 | zeeble: I'm not sure. |
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| 10:02.04 | bob2 | zeeble: when I'm dead? |
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| 10:02.41 | zeeble | heck. whenever i come here, before classes, betweenm classes, after classes, from home, you seem to be here |
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| 10:03.03 | Shadur | Okay, looks like 2.6.1 doesn't have whatever bug it was |
| 10:03.20 | YazzY | dondelelcaro: there is userspace, i have telnet access to the box and also web based tools which also must be updated somehow, so my bet is it has to have compressed kernel and maybe cramfs in it |
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| 10:04.14 | dondelelcaro | YazzY: web based stuff and telnet don't necesarily indicate userspace. unless you have a shell, that could all be implemented in the kernel. |
| 10:04.17 | isam | does KDM offer something like "gdmflexiserver" where I can start more than KDM instance locally ? where I can have the first user loged to X at Ctrl+Alt+F7, another at F8 and third at F9 and so ? |
| 10:04.28 | cafuego | isam: Of course. |
| 10:04.33 | knoppix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.46 | dondelelcaro | cdrecord |
| 10:04.47 | zeeble | knoppix cdrecord. |
| 10:04.48 | confazed | i'm sorry, how do i get to the perl cpan thingy? |
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| 10:05.03 | isam | cafuego: how ? |
| 10:05.12 | dondelelcaro | confazed: in general, you don't need to use CPAN. just apt-cache search perl modulename |
| 10:05.25 | zeeble | confazed you want to download cpan modules or just get a particular module? |
| 10:05.55 | cafuego | isam: $EDITOR /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers |
| 10:06.30 | zeeble | isam but how would 2 users be using the same machine at the same time? |
| 10:06.41 | zeeble | i mean physically |
| 10:06.45 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: two monitors? |
| 10:06.59 | zeeble | dondelelcaro ahh, thanks. |
| 10:07.03 | zeeble | makes sense. |
| 10:07.09 | cafuego | zeeble: and of course you can have 2 mice and 2 keyboards |
| 10:07.11 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: it's actually possilbe to do, but kind of a strange configuration... |
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| 10:07.19 | zeeble | heh |
| 10:07.30 | zeeble | i would'nt want to share my processor with anyone |
| 10:07.36 | confazed | cpanzeeble: i just want to browse |
| 10:07.48 | dondelelcaro | confazed: so search.cpan.org |
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| 10:08.21 | zeeble | confazed http://www.cpan.org/modules/00modlist.long.html |
| 10:08.55 | cafuego | isam: Yeah, just duplicate the line for vt7 and change it to ;1 and vt8, works fine. Running it here now. |
| 10:09.19 | cafuego | zeeble: Can't be much of a processor then, mine's always at under 0.05 |
| 10:09.39 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 10:09.49 | nevyn | heh |
| 10:09.50 | cafuego | isam: ":1 local@tty2 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp vt8" |
| 10:09.53 | isam | zeeble: me any my brother share the machine .. so, using the gdm I am always loged at the Crtl+Alt+F7 .. and he is at F8 .. so all the time I am loged in, and all the time he is loged in .. You can have a ScreenLock to prevent anyone from using your desktop |
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| 10:09.58 | nevyn | it's funny that you mention that... |
| 10:10.00 | bob2 | does the kernel support two keyboards? |
| 10:10.04 | nevyn | <=== uses an Xterminal |
| 10:10.05 | bob2 | with each X instance talkign to one? |
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| 10:10.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: with USB, yeah... |
| 10:10.22 | zeeble | isam aha. |
| 10:10.22 | cafuego | nevyn: Got any of those to spare? |
| 10:10.28 | nevyn | cafuego: no. |
| 10:10.33 | cafuego | nevyn: Bah! |
| 10:10.39 | isam | cafuego: Thanks .. I am working in it now.. |
| 10:10.39 | nevyn | cafuego: I've got some ibm 7000's .. |
| 10:10.41 | VynoM | Odd, my keyboard is not laid out right. z and y are reversed |
| 10:10.44 | nevyn | but they're TR |
| 10:10.46 | cafuego | nevyn: Blah |
| 10:10.52 | dondelelcaro | bob2: strange things might happen if you switch VT's though... |
| 10:10.53 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 10:11.12 | cafuego | bob2: I can plug in 4 USB keyboard and a the kernel won't care |
| 10:11.16 | zeeble | VynoM keyboard is alright. your keymap is prolly wrong. maybe you selected german or something |
| 10:11.27 | cafuego | !slap cafuego for typing like shit |
| 10:11.29 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, but are they seperately addressable? |
| 10:11.30 | VynoM | possibly. Where do I set that at |
| 10:11.42 | cafuego | bob2: In theory they are, yes. |
| 10:11.55 | cafuego | bob2: In practice it' a damn jumble ;-) |
| 10:12.18 | bob2 | hah, I bet. |
| 10:12.39 | cafuego | So, I need a Wifi router+print server, wifi card, dsl modem, printer & firewire pci card. |
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| 10:13.13 | zeeble | quite a lot |
| 10:13.43 | cafuego | i'll recycle the evil speedtouch modem |
| 10:13.56 | The_Vulture | cafuego: if you find a good wifi 802.11e router/print server in one, let me know, I know NetGear has one, but I'm looking for others |
| 10:13.56 | VynoM | hmm... can not find the front slash for irc command |
| 10:14.11 | cafuego | The_Vulture: 802.11e? |
| 10:14.35 | The_Vulture | yes, as opposed to 802.11b |
| 10:14.39 | The_Vulture | sorry, s/e/g |
| 10:14.43 | cafuego | The_Vulture: I was going to go with the netgear FR114P |
| 10:14.50 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Just .11b |
| 10:15.03 | The_Vulture | cool |
| 10:15.08 | cafuego | it's a setup for a single laptop plus printer |
| 10:15.16 | cafuego | surely i don't need 54Mbit |
| 10:15.17 | The_Vulture | my dad's moving into a new place, wants to get broadband, a couple of nice laptops, and wireless |
| 10:15.26 | cafuego | especially not on 512K dsl |
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| 10:15.35 | The_Vulture | true enough |
| 10:15.49 | cafuego | s/i/she/ |
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| 10:16.41 | cafuego | The_Vulture: just don't let him buy dell |
| 10:16.56 | The_Vulture | hehe, yeah well I've yet to look too hard at laptops, suggestions? |
| 10:17.03 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Apple |
| 10:17.12 | The_Vulture | that'd be a hard sell |
| 10:17.19 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Why so? |
| 10:17.29 | cafuego | Does he NEED windows? |
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| 10:17.35 | The_Vulture | it's for my dad and step mum, they are both 50+, stuck in his ways |
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| 10:17.50 | cafuego | or would he be better off with an OS that doesn't actually crash. |
| 10:18.19 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Age is the worst excuse for refusing to change. |
| 10:18.22 | The_Vulture | he doesn't use windows enough to crash it (and uses XP at work, which is reasonably stable) |
| 10:18.27 | VynoM | hmmm. I got an error trying to install sarge. can not download llac2. Wish I could get google to work. Stupid keyboard layout |
| 10:18.40 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* still, like I said, it'd be a hard sell to get him to adopt something different |
| 10:18.55 | The_Vulture | regardless of how bad the excuses |
| 10:19.32 | cafuego | The_Vulture: At least tell him the laptops are GREAT, come with built-in wifi and are so sexy he won't need to order viagra ;-) |
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| 10:19.53 | The_Vulture | ;) |
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| 10:20.52 | cafuego | The_Vulture: You looking for a DSL or cable modem with built-in wifi? or just an AP for use with an external router? |
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| 10:22.27 | VynoM | Hmm... when I try to install sarge or sid, I get an error when it tries to verify klogd. Any tips or ideas |
| 10:22.45 | The_Vulture | cafuego: he's got nothing, so a router/print server in one would be ideal, minimise the devices, points of failure, cables, etc |
| 10:23.04 | The_Vulture | he's going to have to get ADSL, can't get cable in the apartment block he's moving into |
| 10:23.16 | The_Vulture | (new place in north sydney just south of The Forum if you know it) |
| 10:23.53 | cafuego | The_Vulture: *nod* They don't list *any* .11g routers on HT that have a print server |
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| 10:24.44 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Do not buy linksys, btw |
| 10:24.47 | The_Vulture | yeah, few and far between, like I said the only one I've found was from netgear (but like you said, they probably don't need it :) |
| 10:25.06 | The_Vulture | hehe, intersting the conflicting opinions, just a few days ago someone suggested I avoid netgear like the plague and try linksys or anyone else |
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| 10:25.28 | cafuego | The_Vulture: I had a linksys for a week, then i returned it. |
| 10:26.18 | cafuego | The_Vulture: I don't think "reboot twice daily" is acceptable. |
| 10:26.18 | VynoM | my dad is running a linksys with SuSE 9.0 Pro flawlessly |
| 10:26.18 | The_Vulture | no, perhaps not |
| 10:26.18 | cafuego | The_Vulture: I got a D-Link now, which works great. |
| 10:26.18 | SuperPhly | dlink makes the best "home routers" |
| 10:26.18 | SuperPhly | yea |
| 10:26.18 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
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| 10:26.38 | The_Vulture | I think I looked for dlink router/print server combos and didn't find any.. but perhaps I didn't look |
| 10:26.47 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Mine is a 604+... DSL *modem* plus .11b router |
| 10:26.49 | SuperPhly | if you look at the changelogs for firmware... you can see the developers know what the yare doing |
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| 10:27.10 | cafuego | The_Vulture: No, their products with print servers don't do wifi |
| 10:27.11 | The_Vulture | cafuego: neat, do may ADSL providers in sydney do contracts for people with existing modems? |
| 10:27.11 | SuperPhly | yea, the only thing... i cant get mine to upgrade firmware |
| 10:27.15 | fpmc | was packages.debian.org down ever since the attack in November? |
| 10:27.20 | The_Vulture | ah well, such is life |
| 10:27.21 | SuperPhly | i hit that damn upload button, nada happens |
| 10:27.25 | confazed | when aptitude tells me gnome is unused and will be removed, am i in trouble? |
| 10:27.28 | The_Vulture | I'm sure he can live with two devices, some dlink stuff stacks neatly anyway |
| 10:27.38 | The_Vulture | confazed: depends how/why you installed it, and whether you want it removed |
| 10:27.50 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Most should... I'm with netspace myself and they do. I suggest you go with either them or iinet, depending on what sort of speed/data you want. |
| 10:27.52 | confazed | i think so because when i try to add it, i get a broken package, and then when i hit go again, it always tries to remove gnome |
| 10:27.56 | confazed | i think thats a bad thing |
| 10:28.08 | confazed | but i can never find what damned package is broken, that makes gnome not install properly |
| 10:28.21 | cafuego | The_Vulture: whirlpool.net.au might come in handy there. |
| 10:29.50 | confazed | oh well, dist upgrade, and hope for tomorrow |
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| 10:29.59 | confazed | too many sources spoils the brew |
| 10:30.11 | The_Vulture | cafuego: yeah, I've yet to look too carefully at whirlpool, but thanks for the tips (not sure how certainly my dad will be about trying to keep his existing bigpond dial up email addresses too) |
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| 10:30.41 | The_Vulture | guess I've gotta see if bigpond can take the email address from dial up to broadband anyway (although my dad would probably pay for the dial up account just to keep the addresses if he had to..) |
| 10:30.55 | cafuego | The_Vulture: Well you *could* get him a cheap dsl with static IP and give him his own domain, use a P233 as mail server at home. |
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| 10:31.33 | cafuego | The_Vulture: With CUPS that could easily be a print server too. |
| 10:32.20 | Cire | I use the program "webcam" to capture pictures from my cam. What I have to do is starting the machine, logging in as user "webcam" and my bashrc automatically starts the program. Can the program be started on every startup, without the need to log in? (if yes, which "user" is the process assigned to?) |
| 10:32.20 | The_Vulture | yeah, the custom print server/router (with just a wireless PCI card perhaps) crossed my mind, but it would be simpler if I could just get some standard devices, *shrugs* we'll see |
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| 10:32.47 | cafuego | yes, the last thing you want is tech support calls at 11pm - believe me, i know |
| 10:33.28 | cafuego | ... but I must really get this pav going. |
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| 10:34.49 | The_Vulture | pav? |
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| 10:36.14 | Cire | any idea about my webcam question? |
| 10:36.43 | fpmc | any good file sharing program on Linux (similar to say EMule on Windows)? |
| 10:36.58 | nevyn | fpmc: yes |
| 10:37.00 | godless | j #/arch |
| 10:37.02 | SlayerXP | fpmc: there's no such thing as a good filesharing program |
| 10:37.12 | fpmc | ... |
| 10:37.25 | nevyn | SlayerXP: rubbish. |
| 10:37.39 | fpmc | nevyn: can you give me some names? |
| 10:37.42 | SlayerXP | they're all an utter waste of bandwidth used my immoral zoa |
| 10:37.46 | SlayerXP | s/my/by/ |
| 10:38.05 | nevyn | SlayerXP: napster is responcible for droping the pricepermeg by an order of magnitude. the fact isp's havn't passed this along to consumers is profiteering |
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| 10:38.38 | nevyn | zoa? |
| 10:38.41 | SlayerXP | nevyn: using file "sharing" programs on my network is a sacking offence. |
| 10:38.48 | SlayerXP | nevyn: look it up in a dictionary. |
| 10:38.57 | nevyn | ok |
| 10:39.19 | jm_ | SlayerXP: even if you trade non-copyrighted material ? |
| 10:39.20 | fpmc | nevyn: can you please give me some names? |
| 10:39.25 | SlayerXP | jm_: yup |
| 10:39.31 | SlayerXP | jm_: and a damn good thing too |
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| 10:39.44 | sussudio | nevyn: i think he means this -> http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/slayerxp.jpg |
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| 10:39.51 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I stuff that into "idiotic admins" class ;P |
| 10:40.14 | SlayerXP | jm_: I put it in the "have better things to do with the bandwidth" class. |
| 10:40.41 | jm_ | SlayerXP: yes, I agree with it if the policy says you should not use it for such purposes, that's a totally different situation |
| 10:40.47 | nevyn | SlayerXP: p2p networks have solve a number of interesting problems |
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| 10:40.59 | fpmc | ...... |
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| 10:41.02 | nevyn | SlayerXP: in a commercial setting it's absolutely wrong. |
| 10:41.13 | SlayerXP | nevyn: what? like easy source for porn since ftp warez sites got harder to find? |
| 10:41.20 | nevyn | SlayerXP: but as a technology they solve a number of hard problems |
| 10:41.28 | nevyn | SlayerXP: no. |
| 10:41.52 | nevyn | SlayerXP: like. automatic migration of data around the network. |
| 10:41.54 | fpmc | I'm sorry that my simple statement stirred up a troublesome quarrel. Let's get ourselves out of this shall we? And can anybody give me some program names so that I can check them out? |
| 10:42.50 | nevyn | fpmc: mldonkey |
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| 10:43.00 | fpmc | nevyn: cool thanks |
| 10:43.59 | tictac | attempts? |
| 10:44.57 | JoePenguin | you mean you _attempt_ to vobcopy a dvd. maybe it has a scratch and it'll fail :P |
| 10:45.07 | tictac | i just bought it :) |
| 10:45.11 | tictac | so i hope not. |
| 10:45.32 | JoePenguin | ah. good ol' backup copy |
| 10:45.45 | Cire | am I right, that mldonkey needs Xwin ? |
| 10:45.45 | tictac | ... yea.. sure... |
| 10:45.47 | tictac | :P |
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| 10:45.57 | tictac | Cire: use giFT instead. |
| 10:46.06 | tictac | *donkey is crpa. |
| 10:46.09 | Cire | giFT? same as XWin ? |
| 10:46.12 | JoePenguin | tictac: ssshhh... ech3l0n maybe listening |
| 10:46.13 | tictac | s/crpa/crap/ |
| 10:46.24 | Aaron_ | hahahaha someone has made expose for windows |
| 10:46.33 | tictac | JoePenguin: and that is? |
| 10:46.45 | Cire | I just have a coinsole based server, and want to run a filesharing tool. curses based client would be my thing ;) |
| 10:47.00 | Cire | s/coinsole/console |
| 10:47.05 | JoePenguin | tictac: http://www.echelonwatch.org/ |
| 10:47.06 | tictac | giFTcurs is what you want then |
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| 10:47.19 | tictac | 1020MB of 5560MB written (18 %) |
| 10:47.21 | tictac | :| |
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| 10:48.04 | fpmc | SlayerXP: by the way, I do not believe in your hatred against filesharing programs. Many programs can be used maliciously, but if any such programs shall be banned or otherwise restricted, then neither will technology advance, nor will society evolve. Your sense of extreme conservatism baffles me |
| 10:48.06 | Cire | so,what is the fasttrack network? |
| 10:48.11 | SlayerXP | fpmc: that doesn't surprise me. |
| 10:48.18 | The_Vulture | fpmc: what productive applications does a p2p network really have, if it was for legitimate sharing it is generally far more productive to upload data to some central server and share things from there |
| 10:48.19 | tictac | what is it? what do you mean? |
| 10:48.37 | tictac | giFT supports FastTrack,OpenFT, Gnutella, among others |
| 10:48.52 | Cire | wow. |
| 10:49.02 | tictac | yea. giFT rocks. |
| 10:49.07 | Cire | this baffles me ;) |
| 10:50.23 | Aaron_ | is there a website for giFT |
| 10:50.29 | Aaron_ | ? |
| 10:50.41 | Cire | I just installed the debian package (apt-get install giftcurs) |
| 10:51.33 | robink | giFT is a fasttrack system... |
| 10:51.33 | VynoM | Wow, 139MB of upgrades to download for dist-upgrad |
| 10:51.48 | VynoM | robink, giFT has plugins for all other networks |
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| 10:53.20 | Cire | if giftcurs just a frontend for gift? |
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| 10:54.20 | VynoM | Cire, it's a gui frontend for it |
| 10:54.21 | tictac | something like that. |
| 10:54.31 | Cire | only installing giftcurs doesn't work? |
| 10:54.33 | VynoM | Cire, some are gui, some are cli |
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| 10:54.39 | VynoM | Cire, nope |
| 10:54.44 | tictac | Cire: you need giftd too |
| 10:55.10 | Cire | giftd? ahh, yeah, found it |
| 10:55.55 | Cire | where do I define the settings? (serverlist, etc?) in giftd (some etc/xy) or in giftcurs? |
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| 10:56.07 | tictac | ... |
| 10:56.32 | tictac | try reading the manual. we cant hold your hand forever. |
| 10:57.27 | Cire | okay, sorry. Sometimes the amount of knowledge in this room leads me to ask questions I could answer myself if I had searched long enough ;) |
| 10:57.32 | tam | where abouts would i stick a modprobe so that debian could find it on my system's startup? |
| 10:58.04 | tictac | tam: why not stick the module you want it to find in /etc/modules |
| 10:58.08 | tictac | the name i mean. |
| 10:58.12 | fpmc | The_Vulture: There are lots of applictaions actually. For one, data that required little security but great availability can be distributed into multiple servers and accessed efficiently |
| 10:58.25 | tictac | Cire: there isnt any knowledge here. we are all stupod. |
| 10:58.27 | tam | tictac: tictac or do that heh |
| 10:58.28 | tam | thanks |
| 10:58.30 | fpmc | SlayerXP: My messages was not meant to surprised you, and so I'm not surprised that it did not. |
| 10:58.37 | tictac | s/stupod,stupid |
| 10:58.49 | tictac | s/,/\// |
| 10:59.07 | double_c | Cire: do 'dpkg -L giftd' , look in the filelist for the config file |
| 11:01.11 | jm_ | SlayerXP: tried 2.6.1 ? |
| 11:01.40 | Cire | thanks... just discovered another argument for dpkg *g* |
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| 11:02.01 | double_c | Cire: I find that switch very handy |
| 11:02.06 | SlayerXP | jm_: I've compiled it on my home playbox, not rebooted onto it yet |
| 11:02.09 | Cire | you're right |
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| 11:04.12 | Eclipser | does someone know how to select .ogm subs in mplayer? |
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| 11:04.54 | robink | What package has /usr/bin/convert? |
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| 11:06.01 | eim | Hello folks, I've just installed kernek 2.6 on my Debian unstable system. I've just a problem with the parport_pc module, when I load it the SCSI AIC7xxx drivers starts to time out and the entire system hangs, anyone is experiencing similiar problems? |
| 11:06.29 | tub | how it can be possible that when I removed apache every other program works thourgh masq but not www? |
| 11:06.52 | tub | and before removing apache even www worked through masq server |
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| 11:07.59 | SlayerXP | eim: does the problem happen when using 2.4? |
| 11:08.08 | Zap-W | are there any 2.6.1 debs? |
| 11:08.54 | robink | Zap-W: There is no 2.6.1 |
| 11:09.02 | chimaera | is anyone aware of kernel patches for logitech keyboards (itouch)? seems like i can't get a bunch of those to work.. |
| 11:09.11 | SlayerXP | robink: <audience>Oh yes there is!</audience> |
| 11:09.11 | Zap-W | robink : there is . check it |
| 11:09.12 | eim | SlayerXP: No, that's the interesting point. Only on 2.6. |
| 11:09.21 | SlayerXP | eim: then stick to 2.4 |
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| 11:09.35 | eim | SlayerXP: Not a solution for me ;) |
| 11:10.23 | eim | chimaera: As far as I know there are some userland tools to handle those keys, e.g. see acme. |
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| 11:11.14 | ercin | heh |
| 11:11.21 | chimaera | eim: nope.. i'm using lineak. the problem is, that even xev doesn't recognize some keys while dmesg is giving me appropriate messages.. |
| 11:11.28 | ercin | 2.6.1 looks like "usb workout" release :)) |
| 11:11.30 | g4lt | robink finger @ftp.kernel.org |
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| 11:12.14 | tam | anyone had appletalk working with any apple boxes under 2.6? |
| 11:12.29 | p2-mate | tam: yes |
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| 11:12.37 | tictac | appletalk? |
| 11:12.38 | tictac | lol |
| 11:12.48 | robink | g4lt: Returns nothing |
| 11:12.49 | tam | p2-mate: is it pretty stable? |
| 11:12.57 | tam | tictac: apple's are great! |
| 11:12.59 | tictac | didnt that go away with the cube? ;) |
| 11:13.04 | tictac | i know. appletalk isnt. |
| 11:13.08 | tictac | :) |
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| 11:13.40 | tub | can uninstalling apache anyhow affect working of masq functionality? |
| 11:13.46 | robink | tam: You mean DDP over Ethernet (Ethertalk)? |
| 11:13.59 | g4lt | robink then you're doing it wrong |
| 11:14.01 | p2-mate | tam: I only tested it lightly |
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| 11:14.29 | robink | g4lt: finger @www.kernel.org works. I don't know why |
| 11:14.33 | tam | robink: don't get technical with me!: -P |
| 11:14.41 | robink | g4lt: What are the -mm patches to the 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:14.43 | tam | p2-mate: OK thanks |
| 11:14.52 | robink | tam: Well AppleTalk means a lot of things |
| 11:15.18 | tam | robink: i just seen it when booting a moment ago |
| 11:15.18 | robink | tam: There's AppleShare, which rides on a transport (AppleTalk or AppleTalk/IP), which rides on Ethernet/Token or Localtalk |
| 11:15.19 | g4lt | robink Marcello Magallon |
| 11:15.29 | tam | just says starting appletalk services or something along those lines |
| 11:15.30 | robink | g4lt: What's special about it? |
| 11:15.47 | robink | tam: Linux supports all that, but I don't know how new your Macs are. |
| 11:15.59 | g4lt | robink he's AC's heir-apparent |
| 11:16.06 | robink | g4lt: Aha |
| 11:16.13 | robink | tam: OSX or OS9? |
| 11:16.32 | robink | tam: Oh heck, doesn't matter; use afpd/papd without atalkd and you'll be fine |
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| 11:16.39 | robink | tam: Don't need anything special in the kernel |
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| 11:17.04 | tam | robink: using 10.3 right now |
| 11:17.20 | p2-mate | OS/9 on mac ? :) |
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| 11:18.59 | robink | tam: Well then, you don't need atalkd. OSX supports appletalk over IP. |
| 11:19.19 | robink | p2-mate: Uhm, yes. Is OS/9 the name of another OS? |
| 11:19.22 | tam | robink: sweet. thanks |
| 11:19.25 | p2-mate | robink: yes |
| 11:19.51 | robink | p2-mate: What does it run on? |
| 11:20.13 | p2-mate | it's OS-9 it seems |
| 11:20.42 | p2-mate | robink: m68k, arm, mips, powerpc, sh, ia32 |
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| 11:20.55 | p2-mate | robink: http://www.radisys.com/oem_products/os_software_os9.cfm?MS=Microware%20OS-9 |
| 11:21.23 | eim | Is I2O usefull on standard Intel based home (Pentium 4) PCs? |
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| 11:23.28 | revengeslayer | help! i got a computer with two network interfaces: eth0: 10.0.1.1 and eth1: 10.0.2.1; and lo for localhost. my question is, how can i prevent people from sending packets from a network connected to eth0 (10.0.1.1) to lo or eth1 (10.0.2.1)? thanks for any help! i don't want people to send packets from any computer, spoofed or not to lo or eth1 of that computer (i am using iptables) |
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| 11:25.43 | Cire | newbie question: Where may I put the link to giftd to make it run on startup? (rc?.d, rcS.d) |
| 11:26.15 | ercin | Cire, what says your inittab file ?? |
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| 11:26.30 | ElRaton | hello |
| 11:26.59 | ElRaton | i'm looking to the program that enables you to inspect MS windows executables... |
| 11:27.03 | ElRaton | to look for virii |
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| 11:27.18 | ElRaton | i don't find it with apt-cache search, nor google |
| 11:27.27 | amphi | ElRaton: strings :) |
| 11:27.46 | ElRaton | what ?? |
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| 11:28.13 | ElRaton | nemo:/home/amidead# apt-cache search strings --names-only |
| 11:28.13 | ElRaton | nemo:/home/amidead# |
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| 11:31.23 | bob2 | Cire: NONONONONO |
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| 11:31.43 | bob2 | Cire: do not do that, jasta will kill you wit a rusty spoon |
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| 11:32.16 | Cire | okay, so do I have to start giftd manually? |
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| 11:32.39 | coolnewbie | how do i get security updates in debian |
| 11:32.46 | bob2 | coolnewbie: /msg dpkg security |
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| 11:32.53 | noS0BrhT | How do I automagically upgrade currently installed pkgs? |
| 11:32.59 | bob2 | Cire: yes. or write an init script to run it as a special user. |
| 11:33.05 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: apt-get upgrade |
| 11:34.03 | noS0BrhT | bob2; and this should be after apt-get update? |
| 11:34.14 | Cire | running giftd makes the machine "hang" until I press ctrl-c |
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| 11:34.14 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: yes. |
| 11:34.18 | kendrick | anyone here very familiar with icewm? |
| 11:34.27 | jm_ | kendrick: define very familiar |
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| 11:34.30 | kendrick | the #icewm channel seems dead and i need some help kiosk-ifying it :) |
| 11:34.40 | bob2 | Cire: no it doesn't. it runs in the foreground until you put it in the background. |
| 11:34.46 | noS0BrhT | is there an example somewhere as to how to cron this process. |
| 11:34.47 | kendrick | jm_ - i wanna disable the menu that appears when you right-click the titlebar |
| 11:34.57 | kendrick | or at least disable some of the options in there (i already got 'Hide' taken care of) |
| 11:34.59 | bob2 | Cire: or do you mean it actually hangs your entire machine? |
| 11:35.04 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: NO. do not do that. |
| 11:35.09 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: do it manually. |
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| 11:35.13 | Cire | that's why I put hang in quotes... ;) |
| 11:35.25 | jm_ | kendrick: did you look into icewm-lite ? |
| 11:35.30 | Cire | so, how can I put it in background? |
| 11:35.36 | bob2 | Cire: giftd& |
| 11:35.37 | kendrick | never heard of it! d'oh! |
| 11:35.52 | coolnewbie | i need to get security updates in debian sarge |
| 11:35.52 | kendrick | oh, i want the taskbar |
| 11:36.01 | noS0BrhT | bob2; why? are these updates known to be venumous? |
| 11:36.02 | kendrick | i have almost everything config'd how i need it for a kiosk |
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| 11:36.10 | Cire | ...just learned another linux-thing: putting processes in background |
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| 11:36.18 | kendrick | just some of these WM options, if someone clicks them, might irritate them, or othe rpeople who come to use the machien later |
| 11:36.18 | bas | /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz contains an example for switching between network configurations. but it only does this for 1 interface, i usually roam places and use alternate between wireless and eth0... any suggestions? |
| 11:36.38 | bob2 | coolnewbie: they don't exist. |
| 11:36.46 | jm_ | kendrick: I don't think mouse actions are configurable |
| 11:36.50 | bob2 | coolnewbie: you're weclome to start your own security service for sarge, however. |
| 11:36.58 | kendrick | jm_ i configured quite a few, already, actually! |
| 11:37.03 | kendrick | like, disbale double-click-to-roll-up and stuff |
| 11:37.19 | kendrick | all i left was double-left-click to maximize and un-maximize |
| 11:37.23 | bob2 | bas: so take down wlan0-home and bring up eth0-work |
| 11:37.28 | kendrick | it's this damned single-right-click <:^( |
| 11:37.30 | tof_ | Cire: look at "nohup" if you want your process continue its task even if you close your terminal |
| 11:37.36 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: no, but they could be. do it manually so you can make sure it doesn't break. |
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| 11:38.02 | Cire | I think it's okay when it terminates with my terminal |
| 11:38.18 | tof_ | Cire: as you like :-) |
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| 11:39.32 | jm_ | kendrick: such things are not configurable to the best of my knowledge |
| 11:39.36 | enz0 | hi there |
| 11:39.45 | ercin | Cire, try giftd -d |
| 11:39.48 | kendrick | damn :( |
| 11:39.54 | Cire | argh. The connection with the daemon was unexpectedly closed |
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| 11:40.23 | enz0 | I'd like to add a user to my server root rights ... is that possible pliz ? |
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| 11:41.08 | bas | bob2, i would like to automatically bring it up at boot. theres a thing for other distros called quickswitch that seems to have problems with the different debian interfaces format (e.g. wireless-blabla crap) |
| 11:41.09 | jm_ | kendrick: tried dSysMenu winoption ? |
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| 11:41.39 | kendrick | yeah... and fSysMenu |
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| 11:42.03 | teleyinex | hi |
| 11:42.07 | teleyinex | one easy question |
| 11:42.16 | bob2 | enz0: why? |
| 11:42.17 | tof_ | enz0: adduser user root |
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| 11:42.35 | teleyinex | i want to run lmsensors with a monolithic kernel 2.6 |
| 11:42.37 | bob2 | bas: netenv? |
| 11:42.42 | teleyinex | can i do that |
| 11:42.42 | bob2 | teleyinex: I want a pony! |
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| 11:43.07 | Cire | someone an ideo about the console output in giftcurs? (connection to daemon has unexpectedly closed) |
| 11:43.10 | teleyinex | cause im trying and i get an error about /proc/modules |
| 11:43.13 | Cire | s/ideo/idea |
| 11:43.17 | jm_ | fooz: there's selinux package so someone must be ;) |
| 11:43.23 | teleyinex | any idea? |
| 11:43.23 | enz0 | bob2 coz i lost the root password and don't want to go where it is... i have automatic update everynight |
| 11:43.27 | bob2 | teleyinex: dug, you need module support. hwo else could you load the modules? |
| 11:43.27 | Cire | google returns nothing |
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| 11:43.30 | sussudio | Cire: look at the output of giftd |
| 11:43.41 | noS0BrhT | I'm new to debian. Which mailling list do I subscribe to to get alerts of security updates? |
| 11:43.43 | Cire | log? |
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| 11:43.48 | fooz | jm_, well there are KDE packages.. but nobody actually USES that.. do they? |
| 11:43.51 | fooz | that's a scary thought |
| 11:43.54 | fooz | :) |
| 11:43.56 | teleyinex | but if i want a monolithic kernel, i cant use lmsensors? |
| 11:44.02 | teleyinex | shit |
| 11:44.07 | sussudio | Cire: are you saying you're running giFTcurs without a daemon to connect to? |
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| 11:44.31 | Cire | no. first I run giftd -d, afterwards giFTcurs |
| 11:44.33 | fooz | guess i'll try selinux one more time |
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| 11:44.56 | sussudio | Cire: start giftd -v |
| 11:44.56 | jm_ | fooz: haha |
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| 11:45.17 | fooz | I hit a ceiling of sorts in grsecurity already |
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| 11:45.37 | sonne | does anyone know how to *copy* a CD on kernel 2.6 without ide-scsi module ? |
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| 11:45.52 | fooz | sonne, if you're using cdrecord, tell it dev=/dev/hdc or whatever |
| 11:45.55 | kendrick | cya! |
| 11:46.06 | Cire | giftd is trying to connect to some gnutella servers... |
| 11:46.11 | fooz | sonne, you may need some other non ide-scsi option turned on |
| 11:46.12 | sonne | fooz: cdrecord cannot copy... just burn |
| 11:46.16 | g4lt | sonne sure, use a SCSI CDRW ;P |
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| 11:46.29 | sonne | g4lt: grrrgh |
| 11:46.29 | fooz | sonne, sure it can. it comes with a tool called `readcd' |
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| 11:46.37 | fooz | sonne, run readcd, then run cdrecord |
| 11:46.38 | jm_ | sonne: can cdrdao sue IDE devices these days ? |
| 11:46.44 | jm_ | use |
| 11:46.48 | sonne | jm_: unfortunately not |
| 11:46.49 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: debian-security-announce |
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| 11:47.05 | sussudio | jm_: SCO is contagious? |
| 11:47.10 | jm_ | sussudio: :P |
| 11:47.11 | bob2 | Cire: you installed libgift-gnutella |
| 11:47.13 | fooz | heh |
| 11:47.17 | noS0BrhT | bob2; Thank you. |
| 11:47.33 | ercin | Cire, if u have gift-gnutella library it will connect |
| 11:47.35 | Cire | libgift-gnutella |
| 11:47.43 | jm_ | sonne: you can also use cdparanoia I guess |
| 11:47.54 | ercin | and if u have gift-fasttrack it will to kazaa too |
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| 11:48.09 | sonne | fooz: ok readcd... will try that. ... ok so now I did ... it gives strange warnings so I don't know whether the cd will be ok in the end |
| 11:48.10 | ralf | Someone here uses LimeWire or lopster? |
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| 11:48.16 | Trewas | sonne: cdrdao in unstable works with ide directly with 2.6 kernels |
| 11:48.20 | Cire | I had to remove the OpenFT stuff |
| 11:48.26 | Cire | giftd won't run with it |
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| 11:48.42 | ercin | Cire, that gift |
| 11:48.46 | sonne | Trewas: how so ? it does not here it always complains to not beeing able to read the cd |
| 11:48.55 | ercin | core protocol i mean :)) |
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| 11:49.00 | fooz | NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Windows NT 4+ all use a SCSI<->ATAPI translation layer.. dunno why linux has such a problem with doing that |
| 11:49.13 | Error_X | How do I upgrade from woody to sarge with kernel and everything? |
| 11:49.15 | ercin | u can remove from the config file |
| 11:49.28 | Cire | which means gift won't run without OpenFt, and on my machine won't run WITH it *g* |
| 11:49.39 | ralf | What kernel does sarge use? |
| 11:49.46 | Error_X | 2.4? |
| 11:49.50 | bob2 | Error_X: you don't. |
| 11:49.55 | bob2 | Error_X: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 11:49.56 | ralf | 2.4.? |
| 11:50.02 | Trewas | sonne: works for me when using /dev/hdd as device, though I just tried burning a VCD with it, I didn't try to read anything |
| 11:50.11 | Error_X | thanks |
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| 11:50.33 | sonne | Trewas: hmmhh I only tried to read with it... |
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| 11:51.50 | Cire | what should my giftd.conf look like? What I have is "plugins=OpenFT:Gnutella" how do I add Fasttrack? |
| 11:51.52 | Error_X | thanks |
| 11:51.59 | ercin | Cire, i mean dont remove the software, gift depends on it |
| 11:52.38 | Cire | with the line above, i get the following error: unable to start 'OpenFT', no idea why (hopefully the protocol provided some info) |
| 11:52.52 | Cire | where does the protocol log to? |
| 11:52.57 | noS0BrhT | Please clarify the following. In examples of how to set up a root password for mysql password always is shown inside single quotes. Are the quotes necessary? Do they have something to do with the way mysqk encrypts passwords? |
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| 11:53.10 | noS0BrhT | mysqk=msql |
| 11:53.13 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: no |
| 11:53.31 | noS0BrhT | bob2; no x 2? |
| 11:53.50 | sonne | Trewas: ahhhhrg. it cdrdao indeed seems to work... looks like my cmdline was / is wrong: cdrdao copy --device /dev/cdrom --driver generic-mmc works but not cdrdao read-cd --read-raw --driver generic-mmc-raw --device /dev/cdrom foo |
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| 11:54.12 | holycow | debian-gimp |
| 11:54.13 | bob2 | noS0BrhT: you need to ask smarter questions. do you mean the password passed to "mysqladm" on the command line? |
| 11:54.37 | noS0BrhT | bob2; correct? |
| 11:55.01 | bob2 | ok then. |
| 11:55.18 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 11:55.21 | Cire | any ideas? |
| 11:55.43 | noS0BrhT | bob2; you see, my question was a smart one after all. Because you where able to figure it out. :) |
| 11:55.48 | elephantman | What does fetchnews is made for ? Even after reading man page i dont understand - Cause i put errors in my syslog file |
| 11:56.07 | fire1 | What's the way to add a quicktime plugin to Mozilla? |
| 11:56.26 | jm_ | fire1: mplayer plugin I guess |
| 11:57.05 | fire1 | jm_: Thanks - but what do I need to do to get it registered with Mozilla? |
| 11:57.21 | jm_ | fire1: go to its home page and read |
| 11:57.41 | fire1 | jm_: thanks! :) |
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| 11:58.09 | elephantman | My konqueror cant reach a certain URL that it should find - How can trace the problem ? |
| 11:58.09 | sonne | Trewas: ok, I found the cause cdrdao does not work with echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/autoeject ! but only with echo 0 ... |
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| 11:58.59 | Trewas | sonne: I didn't even know such feature exists :) |
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| 11:59.21 | Cire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:59.57 | SlayerXP | the only thing worse than p2p kiddies, it p2p kiddies who can't read docs. |
| 12:00.26 | Cire | hmm, to old to be a kiddie but in this case I accept your statement... |
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| 12:00.34 | treestone | elephantman: Can you access the URL with lynx or mozilla or galeon? Can you reach the URL host with 'telnet <urlhost> 80'? etc. etc. |
| 12:00.53 | morphix | Hi guys, could use some help. My internet connection mysteriously went down earlier, and after trying various things and reinitalising the modem (dhcp) the connection came back, however, i dont have access on my LAN anymore and cant figure out why |
| 12:01.02 | Error_X | bob2: Do I have to restart after the dist-upgrade? |
| 12:01.18 | elephantman | treestone: i check this |
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| 12:02.35 | treestone | morphix: Routing problems? netstat -r (or netstat -nr) to start with. |
| 12:02.53 | morphix | thanks treestone |
| 12:03.20 | morphix | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 12:03.21 | morphix | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 12:03.21 | morphix | 82.37.56.0 * 255.255.248.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 12:03.21 | morphix | default 82-37-56-1.cabl 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 12:03.41 | morphix | sorry |
| 12:03.48 | morphix | treestone: does that look healthy? |
| 12:03.50 | bob2 | Error_X: restart what? |
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| 12:04.10 | sussudio | ~tell revengeslayer about away |
| 12:04.18 | SlayerXP | ~tell revengeslayer about away |
| 12:04.24 | michal | does anyone know why patch doesn't seem to be able to handle large offsets? |
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| 12:04.50 | morphix | im not sure if ipmasq/ipchains is working |
| 12:04.55 | morphix | i had to reboot PC |
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| 12:05.28 | elephantman | treestone: moz OR IE cant find it either - but i phoned to a friend that can reach the URL - Its a 'https' connexion |
| 12:05.28 | bob2 | !tell revengeslayer about away |
| 12:05.29 | AgentDave | Hey, can anyone tell me if it is possible to make bash log everything that anyone does, commands wise? |
| 12:05.39 | elephantman | This thing i a mystery |
| 12:05.41 | treestone | morphix: Hm, I think so yes. Check ipchains (or iptables). /etc/init.d/ipchains clear or something. Now I've got to run (to get my lunch) |
| 12:05.42 | Error_X | bob2: the system |
| 12:05.46 | AgentDave | so i can see people who abuse things |
| 12:05.52 | morphix | ok thanks |
| 12:05.58 | AgentDave | and post incriminating logs in their face |
| 12:06.13 | treestone | elephantman: Sounds like https is blocked in some firewall. telnet host 443 (if it doesn't work it's blocked) |
| 12:06.17 | treestone | Gotta run. |
| 12:06.18 | bob2 | AgentDave: no |
| 12:06.29 | bob2 | AgentDave: if you don't trust them, don't give them a shell account |
| 12:06.42 | AgentDave | meh :/ |
| 12:06.53 | SlayerXP | spying on you rusers is immoral |
| 12:07.01 | fooz | SlayerXP, pfft |
| 12:07.02 | AgentDave | ok is it possible to view a users command history then? |
| 12:07.10 | bob2 | SlayerXP: killing them, on the other hand... |
| 12:07.11 | fooz | AgentDave, you need grsecurity or some other kernel patch that logs exec(ve)s |
| 12:07.12 | morphix | Hi guys, internet access my LAN is down and im not sure why. does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 12:07.12 | AgentDave | without su-ing to them |
| 12:07.17 | caphuso | AgentDave: no |
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| 12:07.19 | SlayerXP | AgentDave: yes, it is. |
| 12:07.24 | AgentDave | yesnowhoot |
| 12:07.25 | BigBoss | hoi :) |
| 12:07.35 | SlayerXP | AgentDave: que? |
| 12:07.42 | bob2 | morphix: are you actually using Debian? |
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| 12:07.49 | AgentDave | someone said yes, someone else said no ... |
| 12:07.51 | sussudio | ~tell morphix about polls |
| 12:07.56 | SlayerXP | AgentDave: it is possible, just not for you. |
| 12:08.12 | morphix | bob2: yeah |
| 12:08.14 | michal | patch seems to be pretty crap :/ it can't handle any changes in the file to be patched :/ |
| 12:08.15 | zignig | bleh! |
| 12:08.16 | BigBoss | is wer hier der mir auf deutsch helfen kann^^ |
| 12:08.21 | morphix | bob2: Im running Woody |
| 12:08.27 | bob2 | michal: so stop bitching and file a bug, duh. |
| 12:08.35 | bob2 | !+german |
| 12:08.35 | dpkg | methinks german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 12:08.39 | michal | bob2: and what's the bug? patch sucks? |
| 12:08.47 | BigBoss | okay Thank you |
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| 12:08.56 | fooz | AgentDave, you can also use process accounting to keep track of what apps they run.. not sure about command lines |
| 12:09.21 | morphix | Is there a command to show any iptable rules that are setup? |
| 12:09.21 | bob2 | michal: of course it can handle changes in the file to be patched. |
| 12:09.31 | bob2 | michal: within limits, that are well known and haven't changed in a decade. |
| 12:09.36 | bob2 | morphix: iptables -L |
| 12:09.40 | morphix | does woody use IPtables or IPchains? |
| 12:09.43 | morphix | thanks bob2 |
| 12:09.45 | caphuso | morphix: yes |
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| 12:09.51 | SlayerXP | morphix: yes. |
| 12:09.53 | morphix | caphuso: which one? |
| 12:09.53 | fooz | caphuso, hehe |
| 12:10.00 | caphuso | morphix: both, of course |
| 12:10.01 | fooz | morphix, whichever one you want |
| 12:10.04 | bob2 | morphix: both. |
| 12:10.08 | bob2 | morphix: depending on which you ask for. |
| 12:10.10 | elephantman | treestone: sorry i dont know how to 'telnet payment.sips-atos.com:443' - but my system can reach other https URL (i tried amazon) |
| 12:10.19 | AgentDave | ok next question is, where would the ideal place to put "export PS1='this stuff' " to make it permanent/applied on boot |
| 12:10.27 | caphuso | elephantman: s/:/ / |
| 12:10.30 | morphix | it seems like im not running iptables on this system |
| 12:10.30 | AgentDave | bootmisc.sh? |
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| 12:10.50 | bob2 | AgentDave: /etc/profile |
| 12:10.57 | elephantman | caphuso: ok thanx |
| 12:10.59 | bob2 | AgentDave: of course, your users can easily override that. |
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| 12:11.07 | michal | bob2: they don't seem to be reasonable.. i less the .rej file and then copy and paste the + lines to where they are obviously supposed to go (based on not more reasoning than simple pattern matching).. |
| 12:11.10 | morphix | btsnet:/etc/init.d# ipchains -L |
| 12:11.10 | morphix | Chain input (policy ACCEPT): |
| 12:11.10 | morphix | Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): |
| 12:11.10 | morphix | Chain output (policy ACCEPT): |
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| 12:11.10 | fooz | unless you kill them |
| 12:11.11 | AgentDave | that doesnt exist :x |
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| 12:11.19 | caphuso | AgentDave: nowhere, because you don't want to export PS1, but if you want to change your prompt, check your ~/.bashrc |
| 12:11.21 | morphix | sorry |
| 12:11.21 | fpmc | what is the aommand to reset home dir of a user? |
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| 12:11.25 | AgentDave | kk |
| 12:11.28 | bob2 | morphix: final warning. |
| 12:11.30 | morphix | does look like i have no rules set? |
| 12:11.33 | morphix | bob2: sure |
| 12:11.37 | SlayerXP | AgentDave: did you get a debian cd free with your breakfast cereal ? |
| 12:11.38 | caphuso | fpmc: "reset"? |
| 12:11.46 | AgentDave | Yeah, |
| 12:11.53 | bob2 | morphix: n, seriously, stop flooding the channel. |
| 12:11.56 | fpmc | caphuso: yea I typed it in wrong when i created the user.... |
| 12:12.00 | morphix | bob2: yeah |
| 12:12.07 | caphuso | fpmc: what's "it"? |
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| 12:12.13 | bob2 | morphix: if you get that much output, you have iptables support in your kernel. |
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| 12:12.24 | bob2 | michal: ok, you don't seem to know how patch files work. |
| 12:12.29 | robink | Why is make-kpkg rebuilding all my kernel object files from scratch? |
| 12:12.35 | bob2 | michal: this is what they do. if the context changes, they bail, since it's not safe to continue. |
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| 12:12.40 | fooz | cause that's what make-kpkg does |
| 12:12.40 | morphix | bob2: i dont have iptables enabled in the kernel it says, but ipchains is |
| 12:12.44 | robink | fooz: Why? |
| 12:12.48 | robink | fooz: It wastes CPU cycles |
| 12:12.50 | bob2 | robink: because it ran make clean. use ccache. |
| 12:12.51 | fpmc | caphuso: "it" stands for the new account that I created |
| 12:12.51 | fooz | i dunno.. stupidity probably |
| 12:12.52 | fooz | i don't use it |
| 12:13.03 | caphuso | fpmc: deluser it, then adduser the right one |
| 12:13.04 | morphix | bob2: but thats not the issue, im just wondering if the rules for ipchains are setup right based on the output i pasted |
| 12:13.05 | bob2 | morphix: er, ipchains then. |
| 12:13.12 | fpmc | caphuso: ok thanks |
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| 12:13.38 | bob2 | morphix: with the crap you pasted, ipchains is not interfering with your connectivity at all. |
| 12:13.53 | morphix | damn thats what i feared |
| 12:14.01 | Zap-W | request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- char-major-6-0. error = 256 |
| 12:14.09 | Zap-W | request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256 |
| 12:14.10 | robink | bob2: as an environment variable? |
| 12:14.10 | morphix | i have no idea how to re-interface ipchains or why its lost the ruleset :( |
| 12:14.23 | bob2 | robink: as your default C compiler. |
| 12:14.25 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: stop using an experimental kernel. |
| 12:14.43 | michal | bob2: then that's a fault in patch. they bail even if comments change |
| 12:14.46 | bob2 | robink: then it caches everything you ever build, so if you happen to build it again it's already done. |
| 12:14.53 | bob2 | michal: duh. |
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| 12:15.15 | [Caleb] | hey guys |
| 12:15.18 | morphix | bob2: couldnt throw me a bone could u? |
| 12:15.20 | Zap-W | SlayerXP : huh? |
| 12:15.21 | fooz | bob2, that sounds wasteful |
| 12:15.30 | sussudio | ~seen rahul |
| 12:15.39 | | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-164.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 5h 53m 14s ago, saying: 'balzac: yep'. |
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| 12:15.39 | bob2 | michal: how can it know if that matters or not? it doesn't understand every snigle computer programming language in the universe. |
| 12:15.39 | robink | bob2: So do I export CC=ccache? |
| 12:15.39 | bob2 | michal: it's a text algorithm,, not a language-psecific one. |
| 12:15.41 | [Caleb] | im readin the linux kernel changelog now,... in the places where it says [PATCH] does it mean that the patch was included in this release or not for sure ???? |
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| 12:15.58 | bob2 | morphix: oh, sorry, I'm holding back on you because I'm an asshole. |
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| 12:16.11 | bob2 | [Caleb]: it means it was. |
| 12:16.11 | morphix | ok, can anyone give me an example of a basic ruleset for ipchains to make it allow full relaying to an IP address on a LAN? |
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| 12:16.17 | zignig | bob2: we knew that... :P |
| 12:16.19 | bob2 | robink: ~/bin/cc is a symlink to ccache for me. |
| 12:16.22 | [Caleb] | ok bob2, thanks |
| 12:16.25 | morphix | bob2: no prob |
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| 12:16.55 | michal | bob2: patch contains language specific code. also it shouldn't have to know or care that the context has changed. as long as it has an option to apply the difference based on patterns that DO match.. if they weren't there I wouldn't be able to do it manually either. |
| 12:17.37 | morphix | a basic textbook ruleset for relaying with ipchains, anyone? |
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| 12:17.45 | fooz | michal, tried using fuzzy? |
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| 12:18.15 | robink | bob2: ~/bin/cc as in /home/bob2/bin/cc? |
| 12:18.24 | bob2 | robink: yes, and gcc. |
| 12:18.31 | bob2 | morphix: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 12:18.37 | michal | fooz: is that another patching app? i'm sure i once came across a "better" patch but I havn't been able to find it now. |
| 12:18.43 | fooz | michal, patch -F5 |
| 12:18.48 | robink | bob2: make checks for GCC in the home directory? |
| 12:18.53 | bob2 | michal: that's still not how patch works. it looks for an exact match of the context, then applies the differences. |
| 12:19.01 | morphix | bob2: all im trying to do is get internet access across my LAN again using IPChains |
| 12:19.07 | bob2 | robink: ~/bin is ahead of /usr/bin in my P$ATH |
| 12:19.25 | SmileR | ipchains? I thought people wouldve moved to iptables by now |
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| 12:20.04 | fooz | michal, patch is one of those things that's hard to write.. otherwise there'd be dozens of different versions of it like there are gui toolkits |
| 12:20.07 | [Caleb] | bob2, one question.. what's the difference between some regular changes, and changes that say [PATCH] ??? |
| 12:20.19 | robink | bob2: Ahh |
| 12:20.33 | bob2 | [Caleb]: no idea. |
| 12:20.44 | [Caleb] | :) |
| 12:20.46 | fooz | michal, but there's only one.. and it works fine for most uses |
| 12:21.15 | robink | bob2: There's a commented bit in ~/.bash_profile to fix that; I enabled it; thanks :) |
| 12:21.18 | michal | foozfooz: no there are others.. and there is specifically one which is better in the case I'm talking about. i just can't remember what it's caleld so i can't find it :/ |
| 12:21.23 | bob2 | michal: patch is language-neutral, it works with plain text. |
| 12:21.27 | bob2 | michal: wiggle? |
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| 12:21.55 | michal | bob2: I do believe that may be it |
| 12:22.09 | robink | SmileR: Not everybody is on kernel 2.4 |
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| 12:22.14 | bob2 | michal: it doesn't deal with changed context, however. |
| 12:22.23 | elephantman | I tried to traceroute my url & it work - Doesnt that mean it exists ? |
| 12:22.53 | SmileR | robink: me thinks that if one is struggling with ipchains (dont have it running already) there is no reason not to upgrade |
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| 12:23.23 | robink | SmileR: I guess so...it was just a whole 'nothing thing to learn for me. |
| 12:23.29 | robink | s/nothing/nother/ |
| 12:23.35 | michal | well as long as it considers the pattern before and after the inserts.. and searches the entire file |
| 12:23.53 | vu | Does anyone know of a way to flip the screen up-side-down in X? |
| 12:24.07 | zignig | vu: rotate the monitor |
| 12:24.26 | fooz | michal, humans can fail as easily as patch can.. diff only puts in so much context. there's a lot of copy and paste code out there. if you want to try being fuzzier on the context, use -F5 argument to patch |
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| 12:24.43 | tof_ | vu: depending of your driver there is an option "rotate" in the x conf file. |
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| 12:25.01 | fooz | it also has options to ignore whitespace |
| 12:25.03 | michal | fooz: that only works if the context in the diff is at least 5 lines |
| 12:25.10 | fooz | michal, right |
| 12:25.13 | michal | fooz: at least according the the man page |
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| 12:25.27 | morphix | ok guys, problem solved. |
| 12:25.34 | tof_ | vu: check http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/manindex4.html for specific driver options |
| 12:25.39 | vu | zignig, it's an lcd which must be seen from below, so I must rotate the lcd physically and in X ;-) |
| 12:25.49 | vu | tof_, ah, thanks! |
| 12:25.59 | zignig | vu: via a mirror ? |
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| 12:26.21 | troubled | fooz: you zoof |
| 12:26.29 | morphix | thanks for your help, (or in the case of bob2, lack of help). bob2: sorry about the 3 lines of pasted sys info '(looding)' |
| 12:26.39 | Bangers | anyone know emial virus scanners which scans incoming mail from postfix |
| 12:26.43 | troubled | bob2! |
| 12:26.59 | fooz | troubled, argh |
| 12:27.01 | Shadur | Bangers: mailscanner can be configured to do that. |
| 12:27.07 | troubled | :) |
| 12:27.27 | fooz | i'm going to change my nick |
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| 12:27.33 | [Caleb] | hey |
| 12:27.36 | troubled | fooz: /nick zoof |
| 12:27.50 | [Caleb] | is the debian stable package ever gonna contain linux 2.6.1?:p |
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| 12:29.13 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
| 12:29.21 | double_c | bmuderauoy: not too dumb to read backwards though :-) |
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| 12:29.54 | troubled | double_c: a tor13 would have impressed me more :) |
| 12:29.57 | robink | When is a pre-emptable kernel a bad idea? (2.6) |
| 12:30.04 | bob2 | lack of help? |
| 12:30.06 | bob2 | fuck you, morphix. |
| 12:30.10 | troubled | robink: when its a server? |
| 12:30.20 | robink | troubled: Ah... |
| 12:30.29 | fooz | robink, when you are more interested in bulk transfer rates |
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| 12:30.44 | double_c | troubled: a rot-13 probably would have fooled me :) |
| 12:30.44 | troubled | robink: prempt is more for smoother console experience, ie X |
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| 12:31.17 | sonne | robink: always... it makes thinks unstable |
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| 12:31.26 | robink | sonne: thinks? |
| 12:32.00 | fooz | that's not true |
| 12:32.00 | sonne | robink: things |
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| 12:32.11 | fooz | makes things more complex, but I've never had stability problems with preempt |
| 12:32.21 | sonne | fooz: lucky you |
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| 12:32.43 | vu | tof_, so if my i810 doesn't support it it's a no go? |
| 12:32.44 | sonne | i got all kinds of weird crashes |
| 12:32.53 | fooz | did you report them as bugs? |
| 12:32.56 | genkinai | i'm trying to install the kde 3.1.4 but apt-get tells me it has unmet depndencies, how do i solve it? |
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| 12:33.09 | robink | OK, my kernel is no longer pre-emptable... |
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| 12:34.21 | bob2 | genkinai: from Debian? |
| 12:34.26 | genkinai | yes |
| 12:34.38 | bob2 | !+ifno kde sid |
| 12:34.46 | bob2 | !+info kde sid |
| 12:34.50 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 12:34.57 | bob2 | genkinai: RTFBTS. |
| 12:35.01 | bob2 | genkinai: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:35.05 | genkinai | wtf is the bts |
| 12:35.22 | bob2 | 23:35:01 bob2 | genkinai: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 12:35.32 | fooz | 04:35 < bob2> 23:35:01 bob2 | genkinai: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:35.36 | bob2 | how on earth did you get sid without knowing what the bts is? |
| 12:35.39 | bob2 | zoof off. |
| 12:35.48 | fooz | heh :P |
| 12:35.54 | genkinai | well |
| 12:36.01 | genkinai | it asked me what i wanted to install |
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| 12:36.07 | sussudio | it? |
| 12:36.18 | genkinai | while installing debian |
| 12:36.24 | genkinai | it asks you out of three |
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| 12:36.31 | bob2 | yadayada. |
| 12:36.37 | sussudio | no it doesn't. |
| 12:36.42 | bob2 | sussudio: sarge does. |
| 12:36.50 | sussudio | bob2: bad sarge |
| 12:36.51 | genkinai | the netinst, and has a brief description of each, so it said sid was more recent but unstable |
| 12:37.21 | bob2 | yes, it's called "unstable" because it gets whatever random crap the developers feel like uploading. |
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| 12:37.30 | bob2 | if you've never used Debian, sid is a bad bad bad idea. |
| 12:37.45 | sussudio | bob2: i used a woody netinstall last week, i can see how someone would get lost with that. |
| 12:37.45 | genkinai | i went for the stable one first but all there was was old enough to make me change to sid |
| 12:37.45 | Zap-W | what's the line for setting keyboard rate in the X config file |
| 12:37.47 | Zap-W | repeat rate |
| 12:37.54 | bob2 | sussudio: hah. |
| 12:38.07 | sussudio | bob2: and i forgot to set the boot partition active :-| |
| 12:38.32 | tam | can you do a demo of a debian install? |
| 12:38.39 | robink | tam: knoppix? |
| 12:38.47 | robink | tam: knoppix |
| 12:39.07 | tam | robink: i was talkign about the installer. instead of actually doing a real install it would simulate it |
| 12:39.22 | sussudio | yeah knoppix is bloody useless... it doesn't actually work with older monitors |
| 12:39.26 | tam | s/talkign/talkign/ |
| 12:39.34 | fooz | sussudio, older monitors suck |
| 12:39.45 | fooz | sussudio, you can easily boot knoppix in text mode |
| 12:39.45 | sussudio | !foozball |
| 12:39.46 | dpkg | How to play foozball; Tie a fooz to a fussball table and drop mouseballs (the little heavy ones) In strategic places. You get a point for every scream of agony. |
| 12:39.54 | genkinai | bob2, i've never used debian, but i've used linux for sometime already so i don't think i'm new to using so called "unstable" packages |
| 12:40.05 | genkinai | even so, i didn't say i have sid, you assumed |
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| 12:40.14 | adrY | hola |
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| 12:40.19 | bob2 | genkinai: blahblah, are you using Debian unstable or not? |
| 12:40.29 | haskyllo | nas tio |
| 12:40.31 | treestone | Zap-W: 'man xset'. But you can just do it with kbdrate, it'll fix it for X as well. |
| 12:40.31 | tam | adrY: are yiy Ja Rule? |
| 12:40.36 | sussudio | no, knoppix should just set the refresh rate to 56hz if it can't detect the monitor. |
| 12:40.37 | adrY | TU MADRe |
| 12:40.39 | genkinai | i'm using stable, with some unstable packages |
| 12:40.41 | adrY | GUIRI COMUNISTa |
| 12:40.41 | haskyllo | kpullo |
| 12:40.42 | bob2 | genkinai: the problem isn't the software, generally, it's the packaging. sometimes that breaks horribly, and you have to be ready and knowledgable enough to fix that. |
| 12:40.43 | adrY | GABRON |
| 12:40.47 | fooz | heh |
| 12:40.47 | tam | bye |
| 12:40.50 | bob2 | gah |
| 12:40.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 12:40.50 | sussudio | ah it's spanish tard hour again |
| 12:40.55 | *** mode/#debian [+q adrY!*@*] by caphuso |
| 12:40.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 12:41.00 | tam | lol |
| 12:41.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 12:41.03 | haskyllo | inglesses d mierdaq |
| 12:41.05 | Zap-W | treestone : X resets the rate |
| 12:41.09 | SlayerXP | sussudio: /ignore *!*@*rima-tde.net all |
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| 12:41.14 | partymola | sussudio, what?? |
| 12:41.19 | genkinai | ser?n guiris en vez de ingleses, digo yo? |
| 12:41.21 | bob2 | what the fuck is wrong with these people? |
| 12:41.23 | sussudio | SlayerXP: i already had *.es on ignore |
| 12:41.35 | tam | bob2: they're sick :) |
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| 12:41.38 | bob2 | are they really that stupid or they just really bad trolls? |
| 12:41.43 | sussudio | bob2: stupid |
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| 12:41.47 | partymola | genkinai, buenas, no es fácil ver españoles por aquí :D |
| 12:41.48 | fooz | it's hilarious :) |
| 12:41.51 | SlayerXP | bob2: stupidly bad trolls |
| 12:41.56 | treestone | Zap-W: It does? Not for me, it doesn't. Only if I switch out of X and back again. |
| 12:42.07 | genkinai | partymola, tienes #debian-es para espa?oles |
| 12:42.09 | tam | ~english |
| 12:42.12 | | well, english is more geographically spread than any other language |
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| 12:42.21 | gahan | nice |
| 12:42.25 | partymola | genkinai, aquí hay más gente :D |
| 12:42.30 | bob2 | genkinai: they join and crap flood in spanish unil they get banned. even when we tell them yo to go to a spanish channel, in SPANISH. |
| 12:42.31 | gahan | requested /part |
| 12:42.48 | Cire | running giFTcurs and watching the console still returns: the connection with the deamon was unexpectedly closed. |
| 12:42.54 | genkinai | well, it was worth the try |
| 12:42.57 | Zap-W | treestone : yes |
| 12:42.58 | sussudio | asg: anything's better than vegemite |
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| 12:42.59 | dobby | how can i compile the kernel that the version number will be just 2.6.0. Because when i compile it with make-kpkg --append-to-version=01.01.09 i get 2.6.0.01.01.09 and i want just 2.6.0 please help! |
| 12:43.02 | Zap-W | treestone : if i do that |
| 12:43.10 | numero_6_ | ola |
| 12:43.12 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 12:43.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 12:43.14 | asg | sussudio: except, perhaps, Bovril |
| 12:43.14 | numero_6_ | ola |
| 12:43.16 | Zap-W | treestone : there is an X option that i can put in XF86config |
| 12:43.16 | caphuso | dobby: grrr |
| 12:43.18 | Zap-W | i forgot it |
| 12:43.19 | partymola | numero_6_, hi |
| 12:43.24 | bob2 | numero_6_: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 12:43.41 | dobby | caphuso: sorry but always same problem because of dri! |
| 12:43.46 | sussudio | /kill *!*@*.pooles.rima-tde.net |
| 12:43.47 | Zap-W | anyone here use links 2? |
| 12:43.49 | Zap-W | 2.1 |
| 12:43.50 | tam | anyone speaking spanish after a warning should be banned |
| 12:43.59 | tam | sussudio: heh |
| 12:44.08 | caphuso | dobby: you want the kernel version to be just "2.6.0", right? |
| 12:44.08 | peterS | Zap-W: ask beta3 or mwilson, if you see them - I think they do |
| 12:44.12 | bob2 | tam: that Red*pooles... domain is infested with flooding morons. |
| 12:44.12 | Zap-W | hebrew in links how |
| 12:44.16 | peterS | (hello, world\n) |
| 12:44.18 | dobby | caphuso: yes ! |
| 12:44.22 | bob2 | peters! |
| 12:44.25 | tam | bob2: time for me to ignore then heh |
| 12:44.28 | peterS | bob2! hiya |
| 12:44.32 | Zap-W | i am using links 2.1 , SVGA GFX mode , no hebrew |
| 12:44.35 | sussudio | Zap-W: why do you keep doing polls even after being told not to about 23 times? are you stupid? |
| 12:44.38 | caphuso | dobby: and WTF to you think --APPEND-TO-VERSION does? |
| 12:44.39 | bob2 | tam: but not all of them. so we can't jsut ban the whole domain. |
| 12:44.40 | tam | does irssi keep the ignore utnil the next /connect? or is it permanent? |
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| 12:44.48 | caphuso | s/to/do/ |
| 12:44.51 | fooz | tam, you can /save it |
| 12:44.56 | tam | sweet |
| 12:45.29 | dobby | caphuso: --append-to-version adds the date of exp. but just make-kpkg kernel_image does not work! |
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| 12:45.32 | Zap-W | sussudio : i am not doing polls you dick shit , i need help from people that use the same apps |
| 12:45.39 | topdog | hi |
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| 12:45.47 | sussudio | bob2: can you +q Zap-W till he learns? |
| 12:45.49 | tam | bob2: no doubt that pooles.rima-tde.net means AOL :) |
| 12:45.50 | fooz | sussudio, yeah you dick shit |
| 12:45.59 | Zap-W | lol |
| 12:46.00 | peterS | Zap-W: his point is that rather than asking "does anyone use XXX" you *should* just get to the point and ask the question you really want to ask |
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| 12:46.11 | topdog | Does Debian install off Firewire yet ? |
| 12:46.14 | caphuso | !tell dobby about doesn't work |
| 12:46.14 | bob2 | Zap-W: so just say "I'm having problem $BLAH with links2, what can I do?" |
| 12:46.25 | dobby | caphuso: i always did with make clean make bzImage make modules make modules_install, so i wanted to do it with make-kpkg now |
| 12:46.26 | bob2 | topdog: nothing has changed in the last month, sorry. |
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| 12:46.36 | sussudio | peterS: it's like trying to tell a dog not to shit on the carpet. |
| 12:46.36 | bob2 | topdog: you can install sarge froma usb keychain thing, tho |
| 12:46.40 | caphuso | dobby: irrelevant |
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| 12:46.50 | topdog | bob2, arghh |
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| 12:47.14 | RichardP | hi, does debian have statically linked recovery binaries anywhere in the base install |
| 12:47.23 | caphuso | RichardP: no |
| 12:47.24 | dobby | caphuso: sorry for the question i saw it in the man page ;)!! |
| 12:47.33 | dobby | caphuso: thanks anyway! |
| 12:47.36 | peterS | sussudio: umm, I'm pretty sure that *is* a coincidence, yeah |
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| 12:47.56 | Xenguy | sussudio: speaking of dogs, this channel appears to be rapidly going to them (I laugh thinking what my boss would think about 'Debian' if he popped in here) |
| 12:48.03 | topdog | Can you guys estimate for me when Debian will be able to install from a firewire drive onto my laptop ? |
| 12:48.10 | sussudio | peterS: proctologist "what the hell do you have up there?!" patient "128MB!" |
| 12:48.16 | peterS | sussudio: hehe |
| 12:48.38 | sussudio | Xenguy: bosses are stupid, i don't care what they think about anything. |
| 12:48.58 | fooz | topdog, probably never.. what kind of laptop is it that can boot from firewire? |
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| 12:49.06 | topdog | Dell X200 |
| 12:49.13 | JimButton | topdog: doesn't it work yet? you probably need a kernel with firewire built in, not as a module, probably |
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| 12:49.23 | Xenguy | sussudio: I know that - but the Advocacy HOWTO wasn't written for nothing - there is a serious advocacy gap amonsgt some of the 'ego-heads' in this channel |
| 12:49.27 | JimButton | fooz: ibooks can boot from firewire |
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| 12:49.42 | topdog | JimButton, i'm a newbie, so i basically need an ISO that boots from firewire |
| 12:49.42 | fooz | JimButton, they're macs though |
| 12:49.58 | JimButton | fooz: yes, and i am currently using one with linux here |
| 12:50.03 | sussudio | Xenguy: since when does anyone read HOWTO's? |
| 12:50.15 | Xenguy | sussudio: might be an idea :p |
| 12:50.17 | fooz | i wish my macs would boot from firewire |
| 12:50.22 | caphuso | and since when is being an advocate a good thing? |
| 12:50.25 | JimButton | topdog: sorry, i don't know whether there is one, and neither do i know about dell laptops |
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| 12:50.40 | sussudio | Xenguy: TMI |
| 12:50.56 | The_Vulture | depends where you place the boundary between advocate and zealot |
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| 12:51.01 | The_Vulture | imho anyway |
| 12:51.02 | fooz | #debian's all ego-heads |
| 12:51.03 | topdog | hmm |
| 12:51.30 | fooz | topdog, it wouldn't be hard to make one.. but I have no way to test it |
| 12:51.32 | topdog | Redhat 9 installs from firewire just fine. Come on Debian |
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| 12:51.49 | topdog | i'm dying to kick redhat off this laptop |
| 12:51.51 | fooz | buy me a machine that boots from firewire and i'll make debian do it :) |
| 12:52.05 | topdog | fooz, i see you're the practical one here ;-) |
| 12:52.05 | aapeli | can anyone tell exacly how this local root exploid works, how hacker could come to my system without knowing any username and password ? |
| 12:52.06 | caphuso | topdog: i'm sure the debian-installer guys would love your contribution to make d-i firewire aware |
| 12:52.19 | Xenguy | sussudio: TMN(oise) [or perhaps, TME(go)] ;-) Anyway HAND, gotta jet |
| 12:52.29 | topdog | caphuso, you mistake me for a linux expert |
| 12:52.43 | caphuso | topdog: besides, if you already have a running linux on there, you can easily use one of the chroot install ways (e.g. by using debootstrap) |
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| 12:53.04 | fooz | caphuso, he'd need to know enough to make a firewire kernel and maybe an initrd |
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| 12:53.16 | topdog | i can barely make breakfast |
| 12:53.39 | topdog | this might help: http://tinyurl.com/yuabs |
| 12:53.46 | nighter | aapeli: what local root exploit do we talk about here what do it exploit? what is vurnerable? |
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| 12:54.43 | holycow | nighters all kernels starting with 2.2 are vulnerable |
| 12:54.44 | fooz | aapeli, there are some bugs in mremap() and other things. they exploit them by using a remote (probably non-root) exploit first to break into your machine. |
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| 12:54.57 | aapeli | nighter: i mean that new local root exploid, hacker comed to my system with username and password, how is this possible, he didnt knew any username or password but still comed? |
| 12:55.00 | holycow | this is not the one used tohack the debian servers |
| 12:55.13 | holycow | i.e. 24 kernel fixes this one |
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| 12:55.39 | holycow | aapeli, they cant |
| 12:55.41 | nighter | holycow: the question what what exploit you talk about what kernel bug you talk about. |
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| 12:55.57 | Zap-W | ddddddddd/quit |
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| 12:56.08 | nighter | if you just say all 2.2 kernels is vurnerable dosent tell me much |
| 12:56.17 | Doochy|Web52 | Is it possibel to reinstall all packgets with a singel command? |
| 12:56.29 | caphuso | 2.2 isn't vulnerable, at least not if you you're talking about mremap() |
| 12:56.31 | sussudio | Doochy|Web52: why? |
| 12:56.34 | Camel69 | when starting xine i get this error messages: |
| 12:56.36 | Camel69 | xiTK WARNING(xitk_font_load_font:432): loading font "*-lucida-*-i-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" failed, default and system fonts "(null)" and "fixed" failed too |
| 12:56.36 | Camel69 | xiTK WARNING(xitk_font_load_font:432): loading font "fixed" failed, default and system fonts "(null)" and "fixed" failed too |
| 12:56.36 | Camel69 | xiTK DIE: create_labelofbutton()@121: xitk_font_load_font() failed. Exiting |
| 12:56.38 | nighter | but not much pepole use 2.2 kernels anymore. heh so |
| 12:56.43 | Doochy|Web52 | sussudio: because my system is fucked op |
| 12:56.44 | sussudio | ~tell Camel69 about flood |
| 12:56.47 | bob2 | Camel69: stop it. |
| 12:56.47 | caphuso | Doochy|Web52: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 12:56.47 | bob2 | jesus christ. |
| 12:56.53 | fooz | bob2, yes? |
| 12:56.56 | bob2 | 2.2 kernels are NOT vulnerable. |
| 12:57.04 | bob2 | holycow: stop spreading lies. |
| 12:57.08 | ircdevil | what is is defunct in: maasha 23035 0.0 0.0 0 0 pts/11 Z 13:56 0:00 [fork <defunct>] (from ps) |
| 12:57.21 | holycow | bob, go eat your self |
| 12:57.22 | holycow | lol |
| 12:57.23 | holycow | :) |
| 12:57.23 | bob2 | ircdevil: it's waiting for it's parent to care that it is dead. |
| 12:57.25 | caphuso | !defunct |
| 12:57.25 | dpkg | defunct is, like, a zombie process (ask me about "zombie") |
| 12:57.26 | bob2 | holycow: fuck off. |
| 12:57.31 | holycow | i mean that in the nicest possible way of course |
| 12:57.35 | nighter | mremap now i know what you talk aboyut |
| 12:57.39 | bob2 | dpkg: /msg dpkg renistall |
| 12:57.39 | dpkg | bob2: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:57.39 | Zap-W | i checked free before starting X, after closing it i checked again with free and there was some meory loss |
| 12:57.40 | fooz | i think 2.2 was vulnerable to one of the recent vulnerabilities |
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| 12:57.47 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 12:57.51 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: ok |
| 12:57.53 | Doochy|Web52 | so just |
| 12:57.53 | Doochy|Web52 | cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 12:57.56 | bob2 | fooz: sbrk, yes. |
| 12:57.59 | caphuso | fooz: the brk one? |
| 12:58.03 | nighter | mremap is only for 2.4.23 and 2.6.0 |
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| 12:58.12 | ircdevil | ah ty |
| 12:58.14 | caphuso | nighter: no, for all 2.4.* and 2.6.* |
| 12:58.17 | caphuso | and 2.5* |
| 12:58.22 | bob2 | ircdevil: kill the parent. |
| 12:58.27 | pmcalpin | ok, so my boss (construction job), who has pretty much NEVER used a computer wants me to get them hooked up with AOL... |
| 12:58.31 | nighter | caphuso: nop not for 2.4.24 i |
| 12:58.34 | aapeli | is the 2.4.24 SAFE sure now ? |
| 12:58.40 | Cire | what was the debian package for the fasttrack-plugin called again? (apt-cache search fasttrack returns some, but dunno which I shall use) |
| 12:58.41 | caphuso | aapeli: yeah |
| 12:58.49 | Zap-W | i checked free before starting X, after closing it i checked again with free and there was some meory loss , shouldn't all memory space be restored after closing the application? |
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| 12:59.05 | peterS | aapeli: as far as anyone knows. go ahead and audit the 20+ MB of compressed source if you want |
| 12:59.06 | sussudio | kernel-source-2.4.18 (2.4.18-14.1) stable-security; urgency=high, * Non-maintainer upload by the Security Team, * Applied patch by Andrea Arcangeli to fix local privilege escalation discovered by Paul Starzetz (CAN-2003-0985) |
| 12:59.10 | bob2 | Cire: it's not in Debian. |
| 12:59.22 | sussudio | so 2.4.18 is already patched up in woody/security, if anyone's interested. |
| 12:59.23 | Cire | hmm, so I have to do it manually |
| 12:59.25 | bob2 | Zap-W: you're nto actually saying what happened. |
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| 12:59.29 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: so cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 12:59.29 | Doochy|Web52 | ? |
| 12:59.30 | bob2 | Cire: no. |
| 12:59.36 | bob2 | Cire: /j #gift-fasttrack |
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| 12:59.45 | Zap-W | bob2 : what you mean |
| 12:59.48 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: no fucking idea, that's what I got the bot to tell you. |
| 12:59.54 | bob2 | Zap-W: that's not actually what happened. |
| 13:00.01 | bob2 | s/what/why/ |
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| 13:00.16 | Zap-W | bob2 : why? what d? |
| 13:00.18 | Error_X | How do I adjust the volume control in console? |
| 13:00.25 | caphuso | Error_X: e.g. with aumix |
| 13:00.27 | bob2 | Zap-W: paste the output of both calls to "free -m" in #flood |
| 13:00.33 | Error_X | caphuso: k |
| 13:00.39 | aapeli | :P |
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| 13:01.27 | tof_ | Anyone knows a channel to ask specific X window questions? |
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| 13:01.32 | Error_X | caphuso: but my apt is already running... is there anything else to do? |
| 13:01.50 | caphuso | Error_X: unplug the speakers |
| 13:01.54 | bob2 | tof_: #xfree86 |
| 13:02.02 | tof_ | bob2: thanks |
| 13:02.04 | Error_X | caphuso: hehe |
| 13:02.33 | Error_X | caphuso: my ampfiler is at 50% vol :P |
| 13:02.53 | Error_X | but it is loud enogh, hehe |
| 13:03.08 | Error_X | enough* |
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| 13:03.59 | dvj | Im trying to filter out "Connect to *[x.x.x.x] @x.x.x.x" from logcheck, but no luck |
| 13:04.03 | dvj | any ideas how to do so? |
| 13:04.21 | dvj | or documents on that topic, unable to find any |
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| 13:04.31 | sussudio | dvj: grep -v 'Connect to' |
| 13:04.54 | zeo33x | hi, is the NTFS write in 2.4.23 same as the one in 2.6.0? |
| 13:05.03 | dvj | out of the program logcheck (sends mail every hour with unusual log enterys) |
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| 13:05.59 | bob2 | Zap-W: linuxntfs.sf.net |
| 13:06.08 | Ryuujin | *kuso* |
| 13:06.13 | ozfrog | dondelelcaro hi again. Back from rdev & mkboot tryouts - No go - I definitely need this cramfs patch ( plus ramdisk & initrd stuff inn an eventual recompilation ) but debian.org/pacjakes is STILL down |
| 13:06.23 | bob2 | zeo33x: ^ |
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| 13:06.33 | Doochy|Web52 | Anyon in here ever tryed a reinstall of all packgets ? |
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| 13:06.48 | zeo33x | bob2: url not found :/ |
| 13:07.20 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: we just went through this. |
| 13:07.30 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: if you're actually trying this, your system must be hosed already. |
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| 13:07.42 | Zap-W | sf.net give free Dynamic DNS hosts? |
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| 13:08.00 | bob2 | Zap-W: no |
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| 13:08.13 | bob2 | zeo33x: sf.net/projects/linuxntfs/ |
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| 13:08.57 | zeo33x | errr.... invalid project |
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| 13:09.15 | bob2 | oh well, you'll have to look it up yourself then |
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| 13:09.37 | zeo33x | wel thanx anyways :) |
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| 13:11.49 | oskie | is there a simple ftpd (like ftpd) that does NOT require /bin/ls? I want to set up a chroot environment and if it wasn't for the use of /bin/ls it wouldn't be necessary to place /bin and /lib etc in the chroot environment! |
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| 13:12.40 | ruffneck | I have installed the very new fixed kernel via apt but when rebooting, the machine still keeps on booting the old kernel. how to change? |
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| 13:12.51 | peterS | oskie: I'm pretty sure proftpd doesn't require external executables |
| 13:13.14 | sussudio | bob2: looks like it's really tard-hour on pooles.rima... firewall log is getting hits from there too. |
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| 13:13.42 | bob2 | sussudio: maybe it's a spanish holiday or something and all the kiddies are broed. |
| 13:13.46 | oskie | peterS: but it's kind of big...:) |
| 13:13.47 | bob2 | bored, even. |
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| 13:14.06 | peterS | oskie: so you want something small, which still has a built-in ls. good luck. |
| 13:14.16 | sussudio | ~lart spain |
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| 13:14.57 | fitz | heya... could someone tell me wherre the docs re to make debian rescue floppies? |
| 13:15.04 | caphuso | fitz: /msg dpkg ig |
| 13:15.05 | sussudio | fitz: man mkrescue |
| 13:15.17 | troubled | oskie: no, proftpd doesnt require external ls for chroot |
| 13:15.38 | caphuso | oskie: bsd-ftpd |
| 13:15.48 | oskie | peterS: surely, a ftp LIST command implementation can be done in.. less than 1K binary code? :) |
| 13:16.06 | peterS | oskie: possibly |
| 13:16.09 | bob2 | caphuso: coywolf is actually applying to become a oper. |
| 13:16.22 | oskie | caphuso: hm most interesting! |
| 13:16.31 | caphuso | bob2: hahaha |
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| 13:17.20 | caphuso | oskie: -rwxr-xr-x 1 caphuso caphuso 26621 Jan 9 14:17 ls |
| 13:17.26 | SlayerXP | oooh, can I be an op too? |
| 13:17.27 | jm_ | oskie: tried ftp4all ? |
| 13:17.29 | ruffneck | I have installed the very new fixed kernel via apt but when rebooting, the machine still keeps on booting another kernel I have installed for testing purposes. how can I switch? |
| 13:17.35 | caphuso | that's its builtin ls if you compile it seperately |
| 13:18.01 | Doochy|Web52 | Is it possibel to make a system from unstable to stable |
| 13:18.15 | caphuso | Doochy|Web52: reinstall |
| 13:18.23 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: no. |
| 13:18.50 | oskie | caphuso: hmm I wonder how it is compiled in debian |
| 13:18.56 | bob2 | how the hell is ls 26KB? |
| 13:19.00 | bob2 | that's stupid. |
| 13:19.05 | caphuso | bob2: it's a BSD ls |
| 13:19.25 | bob2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 72460 Oct 5 09:10 /bin/ls* |
| 13:19.26 | caphuso | not the bloat^WGNU one |
| 13:19.33 | bob2 | that's even more moronic |
| 13:19.40 | bob2 | !lart GNU |
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| 13:19.59 | oskie | caphuso: so ls is compiled built in in bsd-ftpd by default? |
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| 13:20.20 | Doochy|Web52 | hm |
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| 13:20.30 | caphuso_ | oskie: it has to, otherwise it couldn't easily chroot |
| 13:20.57 | fooz | why couldn't it? |
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| 13:21.07 | oskie | caphuso_: the docs for bsd-ftpd still says you have to put a lot of crap like bin,etc,lib into the chroot |
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| 13:21.37 | bob2 | does gcc only include the bare minimum functions needed when you compile static binaries? |
| 13:21.39 | rnc | how do i install apache 2.0.48 on debian sid ? i mean, is it possible at all ? |
| 13:21.50 | bob2 | or does it slurp in the whole .a? |
| 13:21.53 | caphuso_ | oskie: it does? where? |
| 13:21.53 | The_Vulture | 2.0?... |
| 13:21.53 | bob2 | rnc: why? |
| 13:22.10 | The_Vulture | bob2: I shouldn't think so (slurp in the whole .a), but I don't know |
| 13:22.11 | rnc | bob2: i need it for subverion 0.35.1 |
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| 13:22.17 | _benj_ | bonjour |
| 13:22.18 | peterS | bob2: it pulls in object files needed to resolve symbols, recursively |
| 13:22.23 | bob2 | rnc: wait for it to be packaged. |
| 13:22.32 | The_Vulture | it'd at least include the whole .o I expect, which could be a lot more than one needs |
| 13:22.35 | bob2 | peterS: does the linker drop unneeded fucntions or does the whole .a remain? |
| 13:22.36 | jm_ | rnc: svn works quite well without apache |
| 13:22.38 | peterS | bob2: reasonable .a libraries are built with 1 function per object file, to increase granularity of this |
| 13:23.00 | peterS | bob2: but if you had a .a with just a single .o file in it, the linker would be forced to slurp it all in |
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| 13:23.09 | oskie | caphuso_: maybe i didn't read it correctly, i just skimmed through it. look for ~ftp/bin |
| 13:23.16 | rnc | jm_: yeah. Its just that i already have a bunch of mod_dav config working perfectly :/ |
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| 13:23.19 | MicW | hi! |
| 13:23.33 | Mantis|2stupid | lo |
| 13:23.35 | peterS | bob2: you can do 'ar t filename.a' to see the object files contained therein. the object file is the smallest unit the linker can suck in |
| 13:23.43 | caphuso_ | oskie: well, if you would have read it completely you'd have seen that it says something alike "you only need that if you want your ftp users to execute things other than ls" |
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| 13:23.57 | bob2 | peterS: hm, I odon't seem to have a libc6.a in /lib? |
| 13:24.00 | Cire | I have installed libgift0 (found with apt-cache), but fasttrack can't find the file "libgift.pc" because it isn't there. Did I do mistakes while installing? |
| 13:24.11 | rnc | jm_: auth is done through ssh when i don't have apache2, right ? |
| 13:24.12 | MicW | has debian3 ntpl in the default kernel? |
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| 13:24.15 | jm_ | bob2: try /usr/lib |
| 13:24.17 | caphuso_ | MicW: no |
| 13:24.22 | bob2 | Cire: just install the fasttrack plugins from the .deb |
| 13:24.23 | peterS | bob2: install libc6-dev, then see /usr/lib/libc.a |
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| 13:24.33 | MicW | can i simply patch the kernel (2.4) to use it? |
| 13:24.33 | Cire | bob2: where do I get them? |
| 13:24.34 | jm_ | rnc: ohh I have only used it via file:// method |
| 13:24.38 | caphuso_ | MicW: no |
| 13:24.43 | bob2 | peterS: ahhhhh |
| 13:24.45 | rnc | i see |
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| 13:24.53 | bob2 | Cire: from thwe channel I pointed you at. |
| 13:25.01 | MicW | caphuso_: what do i have to do to use it? |
| 13:25.10 | _benj_ | hello i've got some problems to install md5 module on my debian |
| 13:25.22 | caphuso_ | MicW: you would need to upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 13:25.26 | bolly | Hi, I can't seem to install the package 'kde' from unstable. It says there are unmet dependencies (it lists them and they say that they are not going to be installed'. Can anyone suggest anything? |
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| 13:25.35 | bob2 | bolly: RTFBTS |
| 13:25.35 | Cire | channel? |
| 13:25.38 | bob2 | bolly: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:25.43 | bob2 | Cire: come on. |
| 13:25.49 | MicW | caphuso: and what about the backports to 2.4? |
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| 13:25.56 | peterS | bob2: 'nm /usr/lib/libc.a' to see what and where the symbols are |
| 13:26.13 | bob2 | _shad: what md5 module? what problem? |
| 13:26.25 | peterS | bob2: note, in nm output, 'U' symbols are dependencies, the others are contained in the object file in question |
| 13:26.37 | Shadur | whut? |
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| 13:26.58 | bob2 | bolly: don't shrug, read. |
| 13:26.58 | Cire | sorry bob2, can't find your "pointing" |
| 13:27.17 | bob2 | 23:59:36 bob2 | Cire: /j #gift-fasttrack |
| 13:27.23 | bob2 | look harder. |
| 13:27.24 | caphuso_ | MicW: well, you can install an ntpl enabled kernel if you like, but that wouldn't solve the problem that you still need a ntpl aware glibc |
| 13:27.35 | bob2 | peterS: ah, I see. |
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| 13:27.36 | caphuso_ | MicW: and no, you can't just upgrade your glibc |
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| 13:27.51 | Cire | thank you bob2, I'll go there |
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| 13:29.02 | bolly | bob2: run stable then basically? |
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| 13:29.07 | MicW | caphuso_: i see. thanks a lot |
| 13:29.13 | Cire | bob2: I've found this by googling (http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gift-fasttrack), but cannon find the deb packages. |
| 13:29.17 | bolly | bob2: if so, can i change my apt source.list back to stable and apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 13:29.23 | Cire | s/cannon/cannot |
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| 13:30.31 | genestyx | hello |
| 13:31.26 | Zap-W | it's time for xuxa show |
| 13:31.42 | kings_knight3 | hai genestyx |
| 13:31.56 | ruffneck | i am running 2.4.23-1-686 (from backports) and I have installe the very new 2.4.18-12*. but I cant figure out how to tell my system to load the 2.4.18-12* kernel... |
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| 13:32.36 | sussudio | ruffneck: woody/security is at 2.4.18-14.1 now |
| 13:32.41 | bob2 | braindeath: what? no, just actually read the damn BTS. |
| 13:32.53 | bob2 | not you |
| 13:32.54 | braindeath | ~_~ |
| 13:32.56 | | rumour has it, _~ is sour face |
| 13:33.18 | bob2 | ruffneck: why do you want to do back to 2.4.18? |
| 13:33.35 | ruffneck | sussudio well no matter what, I'd like to switch before I do anything else |
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| 13:33.44 | bizkit | whats the right way to boot rc3.d? append="init=/sbin/init 3" ?? |
| 13:34.06 | ruffneck | bob2 its because I think its 'better' |
| 13:34.21 | ribnitz | ruffneck: better than what? |
| 13:34.23 | thebug | bizkit: edit the initdefault line of /etc/inittab |
| 13:34.27 | caphuso_ | bizkit: is that to bypass your display manager? |
| 13:34.34 | ruffneck | ribnitz better than the one I am running |
| 13:34.35 | bizkit | i don't want it to be default |
| 13:34.45 | sussudio | bob2: anything newer than 2.4.18 buggers up with ide timing here on my asus k7v |
| 13:34.46 | caphuso_ | bizkit: your way would make it default too |
| 13:34.47 | bizkit | caphuso_: no |
| 13:35.00 | ribnitz | ruffneck: i am currently running 2.4.22 (stock debian), and quite happy with it |
| 13:35.02 | caphuso_ | just in a quite silly way, but still default |
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| 13:35.26 | bizkit | caphuso_: id like several entries in my lilo menu so i would be able to boot several runlevels |
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| 13:35.48 | ljlane | bizkit: append a 3 |
| 13:36.19 | bizkit | caphuso_: e.g. i got rc2.d, the default one. and i want a second entry in the menu, which would boot runlevel 3 |
| 13:36.22 | fpmc | Hi. I was using Debian for a week or so now. I just restarted it after about 5 days of consecutive use, and all of a sudden my kicker application hangs and stop immediately after it starts. Anyone help? |
| 13:36.37 | ruffneck | ribnitz althought I dont know what stock debian means, I feel happy for you. thing is, I guess my kernel is voulnarable and I'd like to go back to secure |
| 13:36.50 | bizkit | ljlane: would it be the default one for every kernel image or just for the one i add the append=3 line? |
| 13:36.57 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: are you deliberatly signing mails witha revoked key? |
| 13:37.03 | ljlane | bizkit: the latter |
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| 13:37.17 | bizkit | thanks, i'll try this |
| 13:37.31 | ljlane | bizkit: assuming you place it in the particular stanza, not at the top |
| 13:37.45 | bizkit | ljlane: yes. |
| 13:37.48 | ribnitz | ruffneck: apt-get installed 2.4.22-1-686 |
| 13:38.01 | kings_knight3 | hello all |
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| 13:39.20 | ruffneck | ribnitz apt cant find this kernel. just please tell me how to switch. |
| 13:39.23 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ( Message-ID: <20040108180710.GA29054@archimedes.ucr.edu> ) |
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| 13:40.09 | Doochy|Web52 | Is it possibel to reinstall all packgets with a singel command? / Does anyon know anythink about this |
| 13:40.16 | Doochy|Web52 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:40.19 | Doochy|Web52 | doesnt work |
| 13:40.23 | ribnitz | ruffneck: go look on apt-get.org, its form the kernel maintainers site (I run testing, sorry) |
| 13:40.30 | jm_ | Doochy|Web52: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 13:40.32 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: ffs, reinstall |
| 13:40.34 | bob2 | !+reinstall |
| 13:40.35 | dpkg | well, reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:40.50 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: FFS I CANT GO TO THE MACHINE PSYCHIEL AND REINSTALL IT |
| 13:40.54 | Doochy|Web52 | and i tryed all theese commands |
| 13:40.57 | Doochy|Web52 | they just show: |
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| 13:41.07 | Doochy|Web52 | cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:41.09 | Doochy|Web52 | gives this: |
| 13:41.12 | Doochy|Web52 | E: Couldn't find package yes |
| 13:41.15 | bob2 | if you paste crap in here again, you will be banned |
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| 13:41.49 | Doochy|Web52 | sp |
| 13:41.49 | peterS | bob2: on a power trip? (: |
| 13:41.50 | Doochy|Web52 | so? |
| 13:41.53 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: this is a counterstrick server? |
| 13:42.00 | bob2 | peterS: I've warned him twice now |
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| 13:42.11 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: ? |
| 13:42.11 | peterS | bob2: not the warning, the +o -o. (: |
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| 13:42.20 | kings_knight3 | *is new to irc stuff, |
| 13:42.24 | peterS | bob2: or was that part of the warning? |
| 13:42.26 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: this is a counterstrike server? |
| 13:42.34 | bob2 | peterS: I thought he was about to flood again. |
| 13:42.38 | peterS | ah. |
| 13:42.56 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: yes |
| 13:43.01 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:43.17 | ruffneck | ribnitz, ok. but can you tell me or anyone else here, how I tell lilo to boot the installed 2.4.18-1-686 ? |
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| 13:43.35 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: COLUMNS=400 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:43.40 | toni | hi guys, i got a problem with Wake On Lan. I have a rtl8139 interface on a Debian target machine, the wol cable is plugged. from my laptop i use the ether-wake.c script (compiled) and i send the packet to the HW adress. but the debian machine don't power on! How can i setup the wol? thanks |
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| 13:43.47 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: i did fast output in #flood |
| 13:44.07 | bob2 | toni: does your bios actually support it? |
| 13:44.17 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: give up. |
| 13:44.21 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: no! |
| 13:44.28 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: then go away. |
| 13:44.36 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: you got yourself into this mess |
| 13:44.36 | Doochy|Web52 | lol |
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| 13:44.44 | absence | i installed kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686, rebooted, and now x won't start. it modeswitches a couple of times, and then leaves the monitor black. the pc does however respond if i press ctrl+alt+delete to reboot. Xfree86.0.log just says "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting". anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 13:44.51 | bob2 | ROFLPLSKTHX |
| 13:44.51 | toni | bob2: i dont' know! how can i setup the bios? what sre the options to set? |
| 13:45.07 | bob2 | toni: that obviously depends entirely on your bios, read it's manual. |
| 13:45.20 | bob2 | absence: using which driver? |
| 13:45.26 | toni | i don't have it! |
| 13:45.30 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: I could fix it, but it would take ages. |
| 13:45.34 | bob2 | toni: me either! |
| 13:45.44 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: so give up. |
| 13:45.57 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: or manually downgrade every single package to stable. |
| 13:45.59 | absence | bob2, nvidia, with patche applied as explained in README.Debian. no complaints from it in the log file |
| 13:46.04 | absence | *patch |
| 13:46.07 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: why would it take ages? |
| 13:46.10 | bob2 | absence: #nvidia then |
| 13:46.11 | thebug | toni: try hitting things like F2 or F10 or DEL or ESC while your computer is booting up, before you get any sort of OS loading |
| 13:46.28 | bob2 | absence: nothing anyone outside the nvidia corporation can do. be glad; the nvidia driver reboots my computer when I start X. |
| 13:46.39 | toni | <thebug>: ...i know how to load the bios setting...! |
| 13:46.46 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: because it's a manual process and you highly fucked your system? |
| 13:47.12 | Doochy|Web52 | bob2: no the system is not totaly fucked... hmmm how manuel is it.. tell me obut it plz |
| 13:47.30 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: the system *is* totally fucked. |
| 13:47.32 | thebug | toni: then you're looking for something related to power or booting function in there |
| 13:47.33 | peterS | Doochy|Web52: the level of help you need is well beyond what you should expect for free from anonymous strangers. that is bob2's point, and I agree with him |
| 13:47.38 | ries | I have some problems with installing openldap...anybody here who can help me with a question?? I have everything running... but slapadd returns me a warning/error.. |
| 13:47.41 | toni | <thebug> the problem is to find the option in the bios to load the wol. it seems that there is not. but there is the wol plug on the motherboard. |
| 13:47.49 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: and "no", IO won't, because I'm not going to spend hours helping you fix a problem entirely created by you. |
| 13:48.01 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: if you want to pay me, we can talk, but I'm not willing to to give you hours of my time. |
| 13:48.10 | Doochy|Web52 | how much? |
| 13:48.12 | tam | can anyone point me to an example of dhcpd.conf? |
| 13:48.26 | elephantman | How can i see what port are enabled on my computer ? |
| 13:48.27 | braindeath | =_=* sigh |
| 13:48.31 | bob2 | tam: it comes with one in /etc, that is well-documented. |
| 13:48.34 | elephantman | I mean opened |
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| 13:48.42 | bob2 | elephantman: "enabled"? havve programs listening on them? |
| 13:48.46 | tam | bob2: yeah...but *stupid* here copied over it |
| 13:48.48 | thebug | toni: then you need to look up on the net either from the manufacturer or with google how to set that in your particular bios |
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| 13:49.02 | bob2 | tam: purge and reinstall the package then, you'll get the default back. |
| 13:49.15 | tam | bob2: OK i'll try that thanks |
| 13:49.16 | ljlane | elephantman: lsof -i tcp:80, etc. fuser and netstat are also useful. |
| 13:49.18 | thebug | tam: did you look in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/examples, that might have something too |
| 13:49.19 | fpmc | hi, I have been using KDE for a while now. I just restarted computer, and all of a sudden kicker won't start. I tried doing "kicker &" in xterm, but it gives me "DCOP communication error"... anyone can help me please? |
| 13:49.22 | bob2 | ries: /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:49.24 | toni | thw bug: ok thanks |
| 13:49.31 | tam | thebug: i'll take a look now. thanks |
| 13:49.47 | thebug | np t* |
| 13:49.54 | bob2 | elephantman: "netstat -puant" as root. |
| 13:49.55 | elephantman | bob2: well i dont get the 'port' concept real well on a computer - but i think i need to have port 443 enabled on my apache server to use SSL |
| 13:50.04 | tam | thebug: got it thanks :) |
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| 13:50.34 | bob2 | elephantman: no, you need apache to have support for SSL. ie, install apache-ssl or libapache-mod-ssl |
| 13:51.05 | braindeath | security hole? |
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| 13:51.29 | elephantman | bob2: ok but its installed but when i try : https://local_url/myscript its doesnt connect |
| 13:51.34 | GomoX | hi |
| 13:51.43 | bob2 | elephantman: did you set it up? |
| 13:51.46 | elephantman | ljlane: thanx |
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| 13:51.57 | fpmc | anyone know where all the error scripts are stored? |
| 13:52.04 | fpmc | I mean error log |
| 13:52.08 | bob2 | fpmc: "error scripts"? you mean logs? |
| 13:52.14 | elephantman | bob2: no - i just have mod_ssl + apache |
| 13:52.14 | thebug | fpmc: /var/log ? |
| 13:52.18 | bob2 | elephantman: runnign an SSL server is not a simple thing. |
| 13:52.25 | GomoX | heres something difficult: can you create an IP-over-IP tunnel OVER an ssh (inverse) tunnel? |
| 13:52.35 | sussudio | froschi__: fuck you. |
| 13:52.39 | tam | froschi__: doosh bag |
| 13:52.40 | partymola | fpmc, /var/log/(apache,httpd)/error_log |
| 13:52.46 | bob2 | froschi__: don't do that. |
| 13:52.57 | bob2 | GomoX: yes, but that's disgusting. |
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| 13:53.11 | GomoX | bob2: is it? can you suggest a replacement? |
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| 13:53.20 | Knight_Lord | Do you think nVidia will ever release nForce drivers for 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:53.39 | braindeath | why not? |
| 13:53.44 | GomoX | i have a proxied machine i want to access. I can do that by setting up an inverse ssh tunnel from there, but i need access to not-just-ssh |
| 13:53.48 | ior | In which file do i change the resolve order? ( I want to be able to do ping jupiter and make it resolve jupiter through smbd) |
| 13:53.51 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: they already did. hth. |
| 13:53.51 | fpmc | anyone have problems with kicker hanging? |
| 13:54.01 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP when? |
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| 13:54.06 | elephantman | bob2: maybe but i really need it - even if i need to learn chinese |
| 13:54.15 | bob2 | GomoX: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:54.15 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: patches have been around for 2.6 for quite some time |
| 13:54.17 | elephantman | bob2: thanx for all anyway |
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| 13:54.22 | elephantman | ljlane: thanx |
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| 13:54.27 | braindeath | ! |
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| 13:54.49 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP only for the graphic card drivers |
| 13:54.49 | bob2 | elephantman: huh? read your logs. the default will use self-generated certs, but should work well enough |
| 13:54.57 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP not for the motherboard |
| 13:55.05 | hailstorm | Morning. I'm getting the following error with 2.6 when plugging in either my USB keyboard or mouse: usb 2-2: control timeout on ep0out. Any suggestions? |
| 13:55.17 | bob2 | why would anyone ever buy a mothjerboard that required prorietary drivers? |
| 13:55.25 | GomoX | bob2: i have a proxied machine i want to access. I can do that by setting up an inverse ssh tunnel from there, but i need access to other stuff besides SSH. I could tunnel $protocol-over-SSH-over-SSHinversetunnel but that is some SERIOUS overhead |
| 13:55.31 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP if you are refering minion.de patches |
| 13:55.32 | elephantman | bob2: was a tired joke - yes i will read the logs |
| 13:55.39 | sussudio | bob2: they're cheap and people are stupid? |
| 13:55.40 | braindeath | snakeoil certs... |
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| 13:55.53 | SlayerXP | bob2: my nf2 based mobo works just fine |
| 13:55.57 | bob2 | sussudio: hah |
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| 13:56.03 | GomoX | plus, the SSH inverted tunnel has to be done over httptunnel but thats just a detail :) |
| 13:56.08 | Knight_Lord | bob2 it doesn't require drivers, but i would like to check if nvidia's audio driver is better than the OSS one (the ALSA one is just terrible) |
| 13:56.11 | bob2 | SlayerXP: how many years of your life did you spend toggling ACPI APIC and IO-APIC options? |
| 13:56.23 | SlayerXP | bob2: 10 minutes? |
| 13:56.29 | bob2 | GomoX: so run a VPN. |
| 13:56.45 | bob2 | SlayerXP: people on lkml have spent months and they still don't have a system that runs for an entire day. |
| 13:57.12 | GomoX | bob2: well whats the difference between a VPN and an IP-over-IP tunnel.. its kinda the same (practically speaking) isnt'it? |
| 13:57.14 | SlayerXP | bob2: my home playstation is just fine |
| 13:57.26 | SlayerXP | it was a little unstable with 2.6.0 but mm2 fixed that |
| 13:57.28 | peterS | I suppose if a mobo is cheap enough that it is a good value even *without* the Ethernet you can't use ... maybe it's worth it |
| 13:57.43 | bob2 | SlayerXP: how well does forcedeth work? |
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| 13:57.53 | fpmc | My "kicker" stops working all of a sudden, can anyone help, or direct me to where I can find docs? |
| 13:57.54 | SlayerXP | bob2: what's a forcedeth? |
| 13:57.59 | bob2 | GomoX: a VPN works over a ip/ip tunnel. |
| 13:58.12 | bob2 | SlayerXP: isn't it the Free nvidia etehrnet driver soemone's been hacking on? |
| 13:58.17 | bob2 | fpmc: clearly no one knows. |
| 13:58.24 | SlayerXP | actually, most VPNs are UDP, not IP |
| 13:58.26 | braindeath | What's the "kicker"? |
| 13:58.26 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 13:58.28 | fpmc | bob2: ok sorry :( |
| 13:58.35 | bob2 | braindeath: the KDE panel |
| 13:58.37 | SlayerXP | bob2: I have a 3com card. |
| 13:58.44 | braindeath | :-o |
| 13:58.44 | bob2 | SlayerXP: hah, of course you do. |
| 13:58.46 | fpmc | braindeath: "kicker" is the KDE panel that is used to run applications |
| 13:58.54 | braindeath | :o |
| 13:58.57 | bob2 | fpmc: try logging out and logging back in again |
| 13:58.58 | GomoX | oh :). Then i should run setup the ip-over-ip tunnel anyway, for that matther. The question is if i can create an ip-over-ip tunnel over something else (like an SSH tunnel or an HTTP tunnel). |
| 13:59.09 | SlayerXP | martin@obelix:~$ lspci | grep 3Com |
| 13:59.09 | SlayerXP | 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 74) |
| 13:59.10 | SlayerXP | yup |
| 13:59.11 | braindeath | rothot? |
| 13:59.13 | bob2 | GomoX: google for "ppp over ssh" |
| 13:59.22 | fpmc | bob2: strange thing is I can use kicker with other accounts with no problem, just the one that I use most often doesn't work... |
| 13:59.22 | bob2 | GomoX: it's gross btu apparently works ok |
| 13:59.23 | tam | anyone know what a sit0 interface is ? |
| 13:59.30 | peterS | GomoX: there exist VPN solutions that run almost entirely in userspace - see 'tinc' for example |
| 13:59.32 | thebug | ugh, that sounds like a sick hack ppp/ssh |
| 13:59.37 | peterS | thebug: it is |
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| 13:59.54 | bob2 | sit0 is a ipv6 tunnel |
| 13:59.57 | peterS | thebug: the TCP congestion control algorithms were *not* meant to run layered on top of each other |
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| 14:00.05 | bob2 | actually, sit0 is unusable, afaik, sit1 is |
| 14:00.07 | thebug | heh no kidding |
| 14:00.08 | J_P | hi all |
| 14:00.11 | tam | bob2: OK thanks. /me wonders why it is in /sbin/ifconfig :-/ |
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| 14:00.13 | GomoX | ill google on those, thanks |
| 14:00.25 | peterS | thebug: so the problem with ppp-over-ssh is that ssh is TCP-based |
| 14:00.28 | bob2 | tam: what is? |
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| 14:00.53 | peterS | thebug: but, discounting horrible behavior in the presence of congestion, I understand that it *does* work |
| 14:01.00 | tam | bob2: the sit0 interface. i can't establish that box on my network because of it |
| 14:01.23 | braindeath | google is the GOD |
| 14:01.34 | J_P | people... i use sources.list of kde.org for install stable version of kde.org, but sources.list have any problems... then now i have this message when i try install any package : use apt-get -f install!! Then i do this but show errors... :-( |
| 14:01.34 | bob2 | tam: huh? that won't cause problems by itself. |
| 14:01.39 | thebug | peterS: dunno...I had a similar problem and just nabbed 2 cheap intel vpn routers from salvage :P |
| 14:01.49 | tam | bob2: that is only problem i can think of :-/ |
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| 14:02.13 | peterS | thebug: I've read some security analysis that is not terribly impressed by 'tinc', but I can't argue with how well it *works* - and it's easy to set up too |
| 14:02.15 | braindeath | aptitude? |
| 14:02.17 | tam | bob2: eth0 interface is there, but it has no ip attached to it. not even when i tell it to use dhcp |
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| 14:02.38 | roychris | Hi, I want to boot with a cdrom (cdrom woody) on a mac. How can I do this please ? |
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| 14:02.49 | braindeath | ~_~ |
| 14:02.53 | | i guess _~ is sour face |
| 14:02.53 | bob2 | tam: custom kernel? |
| 14:02.55 | bob2 | roychris: #debianppc |
| 14:02.55 | ribnitz | roychris: insert cdrom, boot? |
| 14:02.56 | thebug | roychris: hold down the "c" key while it boots? |
| 14:03.00 | captbob | "Exim configuration error. Group mail, referred to in line 216, was not found." Why is this happening, when I've checked and the group "mail" definitely exists. "getent group mail" gives me "mail:*:8:" |
| 14:03.06 | bob2 | braindeath: hello? |
| 14:03.18 | braindeath | i am fine |
| 14:03.26 | bob2 | J_P: what's changed since it last worked? |
| 14:03.31 | tam | bob2: no. http://people.debian.org/~herbert/sid/ 's 2.6 image |
| 14:03.42 | tam | bob2: it was working yesterday |
| 14:03.46 | tam | i rebooted. and now it doesn't |
| 14:03.50 | bob2 | tam: what happens if you set an ip statically? |
| 14:03.58 | bob2 | tam: are you sure you're running that one? |
| 14:04.03 | roychris | tibnotz:Not working :(( |
| 14:04.11 | J_P | bob2 i install apt-get install kdesktop --fix-missing (tip of debian-kde site) |
| 14:04.13 | roychris | thebug: not working :( |
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| 14:04.21 | J_P | then next time brken... bob2 |
| 14:04.22 | tam | bob2: yes. i did an install about 3 days ago. |
| 14:04.28 | tam | bob2: that is me using a static ip. |
| 14:04.32 | thebug | roychris: dunno then...search the apple web site |
| 14:04.44 | braindeath | apple? |
| 14:04.48 | bob2 | J_P: did it ever work properly? |
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| 14:04.51 | polok_ | g'night everyone |
| 14:05.03 | bob2 | braindeath: you just seem to be rather botty today. |
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| 14:05.20 | bob2 | tam: assigning an ip doesn't work now? |
| 14:05.23 | thebug | braindeth: he wants to boot a cd on a mac...that would imply hardware made by apple |
| 14:05.26 | braindeath | k |
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| 14:05.37 | thebug | unless intel's picked up the cause |
| 14:05.42 | thebug | and I missed the news |
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| 14:05.59 | tam | bob2: yup, doesn't work :-/. i will try and take the static ip away and see if it will pick one up from dhcp |
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| 14:06.24 | J_P | bob2 not, is one new machine with woody for use qt understand.. qt+kde |
| 14:06.24 | mattgy | for any openbox/rox users out there, how does one turn-off the console messages coming up in X? also, how do I turn-off the rox-session log popups? |
| 14:06.42 | bob2 | J_P: /j #debian-kde |
| 14:06.45 | catta | hi. im trying burn an audio.cd with k3b 0.10.4 but it won't let me add mp3s files. |
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| 14:06.52 | braindeath | rox is very very dangerous |
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| 14:07.03 | double_c | roychris: you might want to google for 'open firmware command reference' |
| 14:07.04 | J_P | bob2 look error out please: |
| 14:07.07 | J_P | http://www2.csp.com.br:8080/tmp/apt-get-error.txt bob2 |
| 14:07.07 | braindeath | a trap |
| 14:07.16 | mattgy | braindeath: I tend to say, good, not dangerous |
| 14:07.16 | bob2 | J_P: no, /j #debian-kde |
| 14:07.25 | bob2 | braindeath: 7 tims 4 equals? |
| 14:07.26 | tam | bob2: stupid question: but can i turn off ipv6 tunelling? |
| 14:07.29 | braindeath | webservice |
| 14:07.39 | bob2 | tam: dont' load the ipip module, iirc. |
| 14:07.41 | braindeath | eat all |
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| 14:07.45 | encrypt | 26 days after instalation, my server with debian 3 is getting segfault with more |
| 14:07.46 | J_P | bob2 ok |
| 14:07.47 | encrypt | :~# more |
| 14:07.47 | bob2 | braindeath: stop it |
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| 14:07.48 | encrypt | Segmentation fault |
| 14:07.54 | braindeath | ! |
| 14:07.58 | bob2 | encrypt: any oopses in the output of "dmesg"? |
| 14:07.59 | encrypt | what can be happening? |
| 14:08.04 | braindeath | stop what? |
| 14:08.07 | encrypt | let me see.. |
| 14:08.18 | tam | bob2: in /etc/modules there is an entry for af_packet, could that be it? |
| 14:08.25 | encrypt | # dmesg |grep oops -> none |
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| 14:08.55 | bob2 | tam: don't think so. check the output of "lsmod" |
| 14:09.18 | bob2 | encrypt: anything odd in there at all? |
| 14:09.25 | encrypt | bob2 i didnt power off the box yet since instalation. 26 days up and 'from nothing' it starting segfault |
| 14:09.40 | encrypt | bob2 not that i know |
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| 14:09.46 | tam | bob2: module called ipv6 :) |
| 14:09.51 | tam | bob2: i will comment that out |
| 14:10.12 | bob2 | encrypt: run chkrootkit |
| 14:10.17 | encrypt | alright |
| 14:10.18 | bob2 | encrypt: and "debsums" |
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| 14:10.41 | bob2 | tam: I really, really doubt he mere existence of the interface will cause problems |
| 14:10.43 | sam__ | 2.6 in unstable?! |
| 14:10.47 | sam__ | yay!!!! |
| 14:11.04 | tam | bob2: :-/ |
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| 14:11.05 | encrypt | last line before SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) is read(3, "\376", 1) |
| 14:11.09 | GomoX | Im checking the info pages on tinc. The problem is that i have to do the VPN over an HTTP tunnel, hence i need to specify a connection port. Do VPN daemons listen on specific ports so that i can tunnel them? |
| 14:11.10 | ambiguous | what can be the problem, that my router most 7 days have a Crash and all is down? |
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| 14:11.28 | ambiguous | where I have to look? |
| 14:12.04 | bob2 | GomoX: you have to run a VPN over HTTP? |
| 14:12.13 | GomoX | i have to run a tunnel over http. |
| 14:12.18 | braindeath | What's the "wted" <- chkrootkit....... |
| 14:12.27 | GomoX | it could be VPN, IPIP, SSH, whatever |
| 14:12.27 | bob2 | tam: what is the actual problem? just not being able to get a IP via DHCP? |
| 14:12.30 | bob2 | GomoX: why? |
| 14:12.40 | encrypt | oh my goddd INFECTED (PORTS: 3049) udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3049 |
| 14:12.41 | GomoX | because the machine i want to connect to is beyhind a proxy. |
| 14:12.41 | lewnidas_ | encrypt me fonakse kaneis!:PPP |
| 14:12.56 | UltraSub | looking into running an "m$ exchange" like product, so i can trick an outlook client into thinking its talking to exchange.... |
| 14:12.58 | UltraSub | possible? |
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| 14:13.04 | encrypt | lewnidas_? |
| 14:13.05 | ambiguous | who can help me? i asked the question above |
| 14:13.27 | ribnitz | UltraSub: what functionality of exchange you need? |
| 14:13.36 | UltraSub | email, calendar |
| 14:13.38 | GomoX | bob2: i know its not the RIght Thing To Do but AFAIK there should be no problem with it... |
| 14:13.47 | wzd | <ambiguous> what can be the problem, that my router most 7 days have a Crash and all is down? :) |
| 14:13.54 | UltraSub | im running qpopper, exim and spamassassin right now |
| 14:14.07 | UltraSub | but its not the same as having all mail from all accounts staying on the server... :) |
| 14:14.15 | ambiguous | wzd: yes, I need help :) |
| 14:14.21 | lilwip | ambiguous: your question was your sn, unclear |
| 14:14.21 | UltraSub | and accessible from everywher on the network |
| 14:14.24 | SlayerXP | UltraSub: cyrus |
| 14:14.26 | encrypt | ok, bob2, no rk |
| 14:14.37 | UltraSub | hmm.. k, ill look into that |
| 14:14.53 | ribnitz | UltraSub: I have made good experience with a setup of horde, imapd-ssl, exim4, spamassassin, |
| 14:14.55 | sussudio | encrypt: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/82/259719 |
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| 14:15.20 | ribnitz | SlayerXP: what part of cyrus? |
| 14:15.22 | ambiguous | lilwip: what I have to say: I don't know the problem, the computer is simply down |
| 14:15.24 | bob2 | UltraSub: use IMAP then. |
| 14:15.31 | lilwip | ambiguous: If your router is crashing, that sounds like a hardware problem |
| 14:15.34 | SlayerXP | ribnitz: imap |
| 14:15.42 | UltraSub | already using imap through squirrel |
| 14:15.48 | UltraSub | but that's webmail |
| 14:15.59 | ambiguous | lilwip: isn't there a log, to see the problem? |
| 14:16.03 | UltraSub | i need outlook to think its exchange.. is that also imap? |
| 14:16.13 | tam | bob2: basically i can't establish that box onto the network via dhcp |
| 14:16.18 | lilwip | ambiguous: Probably, rtfm |
| 14:16.32 | braindeath | rtfm ~_~ |
| 14:17.23 | encrypt | yes, sussudio, it was an apache xpl.. i dumb tested with root.. i killed the pid which was listening.. you know a way to revert my binaries??? |
| 14:17.30 | ambiguous | i looked in dmesg und all other logs, but I can't find anything. I think, everything is blocked, if the problem is there |
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| 14:17.46 | sussudio | encrypt: google, like i did. |
| 14:18.09 | MicW | is there a central admin tool for debian? |
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| 14:18.17 | lilwip | ambiguous: can you get connected if you bypass the router? |
| 14:18.18 | UltraSub | MicW: webmin |
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| 14:18.39 | MicW | and a command line tool? like yast on suse? |
| 14:18.41 | braindeath | google <- final solusion |
| 14:18.56 | bob2 | UltraSub: it's not possible |
| 14:18.56 | ambiguous | lilwip: no, nothing. It's simply down and crashed |
| 14:19.09 | lilwip | the PC crashed? |
| 14:19.26 | ambiguous | perhaps is the "Seven-Days-Theory" :D |
| 14:19.26 | MicW | or something like /etc/sysconfig on redhat? |
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| 14:19.44 | ribnitz | MicW: whatcha mean? |
| 14:20.09 | MicW | ribnitz: a singe point to make changes to the system. hostname, charset etc... |
| 14:20.15 | ribnitz | MicW: nope |
| 14:20.16 | braindeath | what is the 7 days theory? ^^ |
| 14:20.21 | MicW | s/singe/single |
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| 14:20.39 | MicW | hm. and where are all these settings? |
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| 14:20.51 | ambiguous | braindeath: just a theory of a rapper :D |
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| 14:21.01 | ribnitz | MicW: in the various config files of the various packages. |
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| 14:21.06 | braindeath | ! |
| 14:21.25 | braindeath | ? |
| 14:21.33 | ribnitz | MicW: but usually packages ask for settings when they are installed |
| 14:21.59 | lilwip | apparently they let anyone download Deb. Should have a mandatory IQ test on the download page |
| 14:22.03 | ambiguous | braindeath: it was just a joke, but I have evenly the problem with my router |
| 14:22.15 | MicW | ribnitz: it's a hosting server with a preconfigured image |
| 14:22.17 | braindeath | :o |
| 14:22.26 | ambiguous | ;) |
| 14:22.35 | ribnitz | lilwip: and let those poor support guys starve? |
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| 14:22.58 | lilwip | ribnitz: I thought we were the poor support guys |
| 14:22.59 | ribnitz | MicW: dpkg-reconfigure (pkgname) |
| 14:23.05 | lilwip | heh |
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| 14:23.42 | encrypt | oh my god, cant --reinstall binutils cause /bin/gzip received a segmentation fault als |
| 14:23.53 | ribnitz | MicW: have you read the documentation that's available? |
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| 14:24.08 | braindeath | official gentoo support channel |
| 14:24.15 | ambiguous | encrypt: you have to send it to bug.debian.org :D |
| 14:24.22 | braindeath | here? |
| 14:24.40 | encrypt | ambiguous its infected with that xplapach |
| 14:24.41 | braindeath | ah .... debian |
| 14:25.46 | MicW | ribnitz: i had to do a quick start because it's a hosting server which was hacked and was running suse up to now |
| 14:25.46 | ribnitz | encrypt: reportbug |
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| 14:25.47 | MicW | ribnitz: i habe time to read the doc when the server is up again... |
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| 14:25.47 | tefsom | hi all |
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| 14:25.47 | tub | can someone say why everything why ssh works through my masquerade server but not http. iptables config file is in www.edu.lahti.fi/~miho/help/ |
| 14:25.47 | ribnitz | MicW: any idea how it was hacked? |
| 14:25.47 | tefsom | i can't install anything with apt pls can help me ? |
| 14:25.47 | tefsom | i can paste the unique error in flood ? |
| 14:25.52 | indes | tefsom: be more bland. give us LESS information |
| 14:25.56 | MicW | ribnitz: not sure. the only thin i know is that every was done as wwwrun (the apche user) |
| 14:26.09 | MicW | ribnitz: a process was running there (/tmp/a) |
| 14:26.17 | tefsom | indes: go in #flood |
| 14:26.31 | MicW | and all home.htm and index.htm were modified with "dilirium loading..." |
| 14:26.36 | ribnitz | MicW: I guess you have an emergency procedure? |
| 14:26.50 | MicW | ribnitz: yes. re-setup and loading the backups |
| 14:27.07 | MicW | ribnitz: and then do forensic analysis |
| 14:27.22 | MicW | and then read the docs to the new distribution :-D |
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| 14:27.32 | ribnitz | MicW: so you got the whole /var/log on some stable storage (cd?) |
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| 14:28.13 | mattgy | how do I turn off the console output to X in openbox? (the green text, usually x app generated errors) |
| 14:28.14 | braindeath | hit and run -> livecd |
| 14:28.18 | ribnitz | MicW: what version of debian is it, btw? |
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| 14:28.51 | marcm | hey, how do I disable agpgart from lilo? |
| 14:28.51 | kings_knight3 | hmm |
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| 14:28.59 | MicW | debian 3 they sayed |
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| 14:29.04 | kings_knight3 | marcm: you don't |
| 14:29.11 | MicW | Debian GNU/\s 3.0 |
| 14:29.18 | kings_knight3 | marcm: from my knowledge you disable via recompiling the kernel |
| 14:29.30 | marcm | kings_knight3 I wanna disable it because I've compiled it in and it doesn't get allong with fglrx |
| 14:29.34 | encrypt | omg, where do i get gzip binary |
| 14:29.38 | ribnitz | MicW: got security.d.o in the packages list? |
| 14:29.51 | MicW | ribnitz: yes |
| 14:30.05 | MicW | but apt-get update or upgrade finds nothing new |
| 14:30.08 | kings_knight3 | marcm: have to recompile then, lilo vga modes can't do that |
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| 14:30.26 | ribnitz | MicW: so, presumably you are up to date. |
| 14:30.32 | elventails | ahoy |
| 14:30.38 | MicW | debian:~# uname -a |
| 14:30.39 | MicW | Linux debian 2.4.20 #1 Wed Sep 10 11:09:05 CEST 2003 i686 unknown |
| 14:30.46 | marcm | kings_knight3 but I need just to disable agpgart, so it doesn't init... agpgart=off doesn't work, what else can I do? |
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| 14:30.47 | MicW | i'm sure i'm not up to date... |
| 14:31.12 | braindeath | ! |
| 14:31.13 | elventails | i get a " relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2" does this mean anything to anyone here? |
| 14:31.15 | kings_knight3 | marcm: try to recompile as a module |
| 14:31.18 | ribnitz | MicW: get a newer kernel, I think 2.4.24presomething (I am using 2.4.22) |
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| 14:31.32 | greycat | 2.4.24 is out |
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| 14:31.41 | MicW | ribnitz: shoundn't apt update the kernel? |
| 14:31.50 | ribnitz | MicW: nope. |
| 14:32.03 | MicW | can i udate it automatically? |
| 14:32.07 | ribnitz | MicW: kernel updates require a reboot |
| 14:32.08 | greycat | MicW: only if you explicitly installed a Debian kernel-image package for which a newer revision exists. An example would be kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 in woody |
| 14:32.11 | MicW | or do i have to complie? |
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| 14:32.19 | kings_knight3 | no point not getting the pre version since it's in bugfix mode though |
| 14:32.23 | bob2 | MicW: 2.4.20 has two local root holes |
| 14:32.35 | greycat | (at least two) |
| 14:32.35 | tam | bob2: you were right. ipv6 module did not cause the problem |
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| 14:32.43 | kings_knight3 | *wonders why people are only asking about kernels today/tonight |
| 14:32.48 | encrypt | where do i find a ftp with woody binaries? |
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| 14:32.57 | greycat | encrypt: /msg apt mirrors |
| 14:33.09 | elventails | i get a " relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2" does this mean anything to anyone here? |
| 14:33.09 | encrypt | not in gzip |
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| 14:33.21 | greycat | encrypt: speak English, dammit! |
| 14:33.23 | MicW | bob2: thats why i'd like to ubarde |
| 14:33.24 | elventails | just to change from kernel questions :P |
| 14:33.28 | jeanmi | I just installed kernel-image-2.6.0-686 and when I boot I get |
| 14:33.28 | MicW | upgrade |
| 14:33.44 | jeanmi | RAMDISK: image too big (4180/4096 blocks) |
| 14:33.51 | HuBBa | does anyone here know how to set up cvs (im trying to install quake2 from quakeforges cvs) i have installed cvs and the *.deb package for the cvs-install |
| 14:33.53 | braindeath | -686? -386? |
| 14:33.54 | jeanmi | followed by a kernel panic |
| 14:33.55 | encrypt | greycat: which language did i use? |
| 14:33.58 | jeanmi | 686 |
| 14:34.00 | kings_knight3 | hmm, did someone let the trolls out?.. all i keep seeing is "kernel this" "kernel that" |
| 14:34.06 | greycat | encrypt: n00bish, I think. It's incomprehensible in any case. |
| 14:34.07 | braindeath | :o |
| 14:34.35 | braindeath | k... that's too bad |
| 14:34.39 | encrypt | weird. |
| 14:34.42 | thebug | HuBBa: it says how to grab stuff from cvs right on the cvs tab for any project in sf |
| 14:34.45 | greycat | kings_knight3: it sometimes takes a few days for a kernel exploit to make it around the grapevine |
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| 14:34.56 | greycat | ~wayttd encrypt |
| 14:35.00 | | What Are You Trying To Do, encrypt? |
| 14:35.05 | tam | inet6 addr: fe80::240:95ff:fe45:848a/64 :-/ i don't want that! |
| 14:35.08 | kings_knight3 | greycat: *nod i guess so |
| 14:35.10 | encrypt | ouch greycat, whats up? |
| 14:35.23 | bob2 | tam: it doesn't matter. |
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| 14:35.24 | semechki | Go there http://www.semechki.agababyan.ru/bag.php?id=3431!!! |
| 14:35.25 | greycat | encrypt: that's what we're trying to figure out. What are you doing? |
| 14:35.25 | semechki | Go there http://www.semechki.agababyan.ru/bag.php?id=3431!!! |
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| 14:35.26 | bob2 | tam: set an ip statically on that interface. |
| 14:35.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 14:35.54 | tam | bob2: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.9 doesn't work |
| 14:35.56 | GomoX | xD mighty #debian overlords |
| 14:35.57 | encrypt | what did i do??? i just asked for mirrors with binaries not in gzip |
| 14:35.59 | HuBBa | thebug: sorry i dint quite get that, do i need to look inside a file on the cvs-server called sf, sorry new to this |
| 14:36.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 14:36.09 | encrypt | is that too weird??? |
| 14:36.10 | greycat | encrypt: you want a bunch of 0s and 1s printed on paper? |
| 14:36.11 | bob2 | encrypt: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:36.25 | bob2 | tam: "doesn't work"? |
| 14:36.30 | strength | hello. anyone can advise me on whether the ups that i want to get will work with my linux? |
| 14:36.41 | bob2 | kings_knight3: #debian is sadly one of the "nicer" channels around. |
| 14:36.41 | greycat | strength: define 'work with' |
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| 14:36.51 | tam | bob2: well it returns to a new line. but doesn't add 10.0.0.9 to my interface :-/ |
| 14:36.53 | encrypt | greycat bob2: i want 'ls' not binutils.gz |
| 14:36.55 | strength | greycat: i mean, daemon for it? |
| 14:37.08 | kings_knight3 | bob2: :) well, at least here it's moderated |
| 14:37.18 | braindeath | k |
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| 14:37.23 | encrypt | my gzip is broken, so i need gzip |
| 14:37.27 | greycat | encrypt: that would be a hideous waste of bandwidth and disk space. Why do you want it? |
| 14:37.35 | greycat | encrypt: oh! Why didn't you just *say that*? |
| 14:37.43 | encrypt | thought it was not needed. |
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| 14:37.55 | greycat | encrypt: for what version of Debian and what architecture? |
| 14:37.55 | bob2 | braindeath: are you on crack? |
| 14:38.04 | encrypt | greycat woody i386 |
| 14:38.09 | braindeath | maybe |
| 14:38.12 | bob2 | kings_knight3: heh, somewhat. |
| 14:38.19 | bob2 | braindeath: why do you just post random crap all day? |
| 14:38.25 | bob2 | kings_knight3: try irc.efnet.org sometime |
| 14:38.30 | greycat | encrypt: http://wooledge.org/~greg/gzip |
| 14:38.33 | braindeath | ... |
| 14:38.38 | encrypt | thank you greycat |
| 14:38.44 | strength | greycat: it has BNT-600AP |
| 14:38.49 | ribnitz | greycat: any hints as to when there'll be a kernel-image-2.4.24? |
| 14:38.50 | bob2 | greycat: he's been r00ted, at a guess. |
| 14:38.50 | strength | model i mean |
| 14:39.03 | bob2 | greycat: sudden segfaults and debsums didn't complain. |
| 14:39.08 | greycat | ribnitz: I just build my own. Saves a lot of hassle. |
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| 14:39.52 | ribnitz | greycat: my self-cooked kernels tend not to work as advertised |
| 14:40.12 | encrypt | # gzip |
| 14:40.16 | encrypt | Ã |
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| 14:40.29 | encrypt | =/ |
| 14:40.40 | fcrick | anyone know the syntax for grepping for a binary (hex) sequence? |
| 14:40.41 | MicW | how can i change the charset of the system (i think its utf-8 and i'd like iso-8858-15) |
| 14:40.56 | greycat | encrypt: path, path, path. ./gzip |
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| 14:41.11 | encrypt | sorry, i think its i686, makes much diff? |
| 14:41.14 | bob2 | tam: take it down and up again |
| 14:41.23 | greycat | encrypt: nope, I took a standard /bin/gzip from a woody box |
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| 14:42.24 | encrypt | greycat gzip is returning à |
| 14:42.27 | strength | greycat: it has a RS-232 port; i've read somewhere thats like "not cool", and better is a ethernet or a usb connection. Can you advise about this? |
| 14:43.01 | LoRez | strength: serial is just fine and has worked on ups' for many years. |
| 14:43.06 | greycat | encrypt: bob2 suggests that you may have been compromised. Have you considered that? |
| 14:43.40 | fcrick | anyone know the syntax for grepping for a binary (hex) sequence? |
| 14:43.51 | strength | LoRez: ok. anything i have to check before buying it? it has some soft , for windows, so thats why im asking .. |
| 14:43.52 | encrypt | greycat, sure. i dumbely tested an apachexpl with root and it infected some bin files.. now they listen to 3049 udp port |
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| 14:44.04 | LoRez | strength: USB/ethernet on a ups may not be supported as easily in linux depending on the software required to talk to it |
| 14:44.18 | bob2 | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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| 14:44.20 | greycat | strength: the only UPSes I've seen that can communicate with a computer use a stanfard RS-232 serial port. I know nothing about "BNT-600AP". USB may be feasible, but I haven't worked with it in that respect. ethernet on a UPS is just total overkill. |
| 14:44.22 | bob2 | encrypt: REINSTALL |
| 14:44.24 | vesut | in the lilo.conf file, is it correct like this: image=/boot/vmlinu-kernel-X or like this image=/boot/vmlinuz-kernel-X.img ? |
| 14:44.25 | bob2 | encrypt: NOW |
| 14:44.33 | strength | LoRez: so serial is a better option than? |
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| 14:44.43 | strength | then |
| 14:44.55 | greycat | strength: serial's totally adequate, yes |
| 14:44.55 | encrypt | =/ |
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| 14:45.05 | strength | greycat: ok |
| 14:45.09 | bob2 | encrypt: NOW |
| 14:45.10 | strength | LoRez thanks |
| 14:45.25 | nevyn | greycat: except if you're connecting to a "legacy free" server |
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| 14:46.12 | jipipayo | hi |
| 14:46.14 | encrypt | bob2 its a little far away from my house. need to do this tonight.. |
| 14:46.14 | strength | greycat: but, otherwise, the linux daemons for ups, they should work with any ups? |
| 14:46.14 | bob2 | encrypt: then take it off line |
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| 14:46.14 | LoRez | nevyn: then you use a usb->serial adapter because that's more likely to work than the UPS's usb thingy |
| 14:46.14 | encrypt | just replacing basic bin files wouldnt solve? |
| 14:46.14 | bob2 | encrypt: you idiot, other people already control it |
| 14:46.14 | bob2 | encrypt: no |
| 14:46.14 | greycat | strength: I can't guarantee "any"... |
| 14:46.14 | encrypt | u sure? |
| 14:46.14 | bob2 | encrypt: it has to be reinstalled from a clean cd |
| 14:46.15 | jipipayo | are there any debian spanish channel on this irc server? |
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| 14:46.18 | greycat | #debian-es |
| 14:46.21 | nevyn | encrypt: halt the machine |
| 14:46.21 | encrypt | ive read that this 'virii' is not that dangerous |
| 14:46.24 | mascht | what is the blockdevice of a usb-storage device if i use the 2.6 kernel? It was /dev/sda(x) with the 2.4 one. i see it as a scsi_device in the sysfs but can not access it. |
| 14:46.26 | jipipayo | thanks greycat |
| 14:46.30 | jipipayo | :) |
| 14:46.31 | encrypt | you know it? |
| 14:46.33 | strength | greycat: can you just glance at the one i want to get ? i give url |
| 14:46.40 | greycat | strength: I'm not an expert on this |
| 14:46.49 | strength | k |
| 14:46.56 | encrypt | firewalling 3049 wouldnt solve till night? |
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| 14:47.26 | peterS | mascht: should still be /dev/sda, yeah. unless you have other scsi disks |
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| 14:47.46 | LoRez | strength: call the manufacturer |
| 14:47.51 | strength | anyway, anyone who will look at this, and knows that's not gonna work with linux, pls /msg me :)) http://www.drobinson.com.au/shop/product_info.php?products_id=120 |
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| 14:48.01 | greycat | encrypt: next time you want to play with security exploits, use an isolated LAN. |
| 14:48.12 | encrypt | sure.. |
| 14:48.41 | GomoX | or your friends boxen |
| 14:48.45 | encrypt | ehe |
| 14:48.47 | nevyn | encrypt: problem is even if you firewall 3049 someone already may have accessed the machine and installed other backdoors. |
| 14:48.52 | bob2 | +/win40 |
| 14:48.59 | encrypt | nevyn it was today early |
| 14:49.01 | encrypt | i have time |
| 14:49.02 | encrypt | brb |
| 14:49.03 | encrypt | thanks |
| 14:49.15 | nevyn | encrypt: the machine is compramised. re-install and halt until you can do so |
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| 14:49.20 | zu22 | after upgrading from sarge->sid now i can not input in any of my gnome apps (gnome-terminal, gedit etc..), when i click in a gnome app the cursor does not move, no text is produced and i get an audible beep. is this a known bug? how do i fix this? also was getting console keymap problem during upgrade (i solved this by 'loadkeys us' command), is this related to my gnome 2.4 problem? |
| 14:50.09 | bob2 | zu22: try asking on the debian-user list, /msg dpkg d-u |
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| 14:50.20 | mascht | peterS: hm i thought that too :) must recheck it again |
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| 14:50.37 | GomoX | i am dis-statisfied with intel who ships "BIOS updates for other OSes" as a windows auto-extractible zip archive (.exe) |
| 14:50.52 | wzd | hahaha ;D |
| 14:50.54 | jm_ | GomoX: unzip should handle those |
| 14:50.56 | peterS | mascht: /proc/partitions will know |
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| 14:51.30 | GomoX | jm_: he doesn't seem to |
| 14:51.31 | GomoX | i checked the man page |
| 14:51.46 | greycat | GomoX: I've used unzip to extract neuros firmware .exe files |
| 14:51.52 | jm_ | GomoX: it does if it's regular one |
| 14:51.56 | GomoX | ok, it works, i had not tried |
| 14:51.56 | GomoX | /me hides |
| 14:52.06 | kings_knight3 | GomoX: that's what i mean, every bit of firmware is .exe, my burner firmware actually *needs* wincrud to run, and the mobo, well.. had someone else send me the binary from the .exe |
| 14:52.12 | greycat | GomoX: at least you read the man page... that's more than most :) |
| 14:52.17 | mascht | peterS: hm it is not in. |
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| 14:52.22 | GomoX | the m4n p4g3 d1d n0t sp3cify 1t!! un1x sux0rz |
| 14:52.30 | greycat | ~linux man pages |
| 14:52.32 | | somebody said linux man pages was utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 14:52.32 | peterS | mascht: you've got 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' loaded? |
| 14:52.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:52.44 | bob2 | you will never ever forgive them for that bug, will you? |
| 14:52.48 | greycat | nope |
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| 14:53.21 | bob2 | I can imagine, 100 years from now, the ghost of greycat will haunt whichever machine runs bugs.d.o |
| 14:53.39 | bob2 | "maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan paaages, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan pages" it will whisper into the night. |
| 14:53.58 | zu22 | bob2: ok, will do, i looked in /var/log and could find no related error message so it's very frustrating |
| 14:53.59 | mascht | peterS: ah sd_mod was missing, it found the device but didnt export it as a blockdevice. thx |
| 14:54.08 | peterS | mascht: no problem |
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| 14:54.31 | jarjar26 | which command i could uyse to change a file name for the date and time ? |
| 14:54.39 | bob2 | that or you'll beat the crap out of andreas metzler |
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| 14:54.49 | bob2 | zu22: it won't go into those logs |
| 14:55.00 | awallace | how does one look at man pages that have a (#) on them? like crontab (5)? |
| 14:55.02 | bob2 | jarjar26: to rename a file to the current date and time? |
| 14:55.03 | ribnitz | jarjar26: like? |
| 14:55.12 | bob2 | awallace: man 5 crontab |
| 14:55.20 | holycow | kernel 2.6.1 appears to have been released |
| 14:55.23 | holycow | neat |
| 14:55.27 | vesut | this is too weird! altough I have specified image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 in the lilo.conf file, 2.4.23-1-686 is loaded. what am I doing wrong??? |
| 14:55.33 | ribnitz | jarjar26: touch to update the date/timestamp of a file |
| 14:55.39 | jarjar26 | like : bakcupo.sql for 0101041455.sql ;) |
| 14:55.48 | matlads | awallace: man 5 blah |
| 14:55.58 | greycat | jarjar26: mv foo foo.`date +%Y%m%d` |
| 14:56.22 | awallace | bob2: matlads: thanks! |
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| 14:56.29 | GomoX | ok anyway inside the ZIP there are only EXEs and TXTs, plus an 80k .itk (wtf) |
| 14:56.29 | GomoX | how am i supposed to use that without windows |
| 14:56.29 | GomoX | i emailed them telling that a bios.bin.gz would be really nice |
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| 14:56.56 | abrotman | unzip? |
| 14:57.00 | greycat | GomoX: maybe a freedos boot floppy? |
| 14:57.00 | Guido | hi |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | wine? |
| 14:57.06 | jarjar26 | thanks a lot grekcat ;) |
| 14:57.08 | PingLH | how do i find out what kernal version I am running? |
| 14:57.08 | nevyn | GomoX: unzip dosemufredos wine |
| 14:57.16 | zu22 | bob2: ah |
| 14:57.17 | nevyn | GomoX: and dosbox |
| 14:57.17 | vesut | PingLH uname -r |
| 14:57.20 | Guido | can anyone point me to any page containing info on what are the 7 cds of debian |
| 14:57.24 | hailstorm | How long roughly until kernel 2.6.1 is availabel through apt-get? |
| 14:57.25 | PingLH | tx |
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| 14:57.27 | PingLH | thx |
| 14:57.31 | zu22 | bob2: where would it go then? |
| 14:57.33 | nevyn | hailstorm: days. |
| 14:57.34 | sphinx[q] | any1 that know about where to get emu486 patch for 2.4.xx kernels |
| 14:57.40 | bob2 | Guido: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 14:57.49 | abrotman | GomoX: i found a nice "app" that makes a win98 boot disk somewhere .. but you would need dosemu to make the boot floppy |
| 14:57.49 | Guido | thank you bob2 |
| 14:57.53 | hailstorm | nevyn: k |
| 14:57.55 | bob2 | hailstorm: whenevr it's ready |
| 14:57.58 | GomoX | nah i just go to mi sisters machine and thats it |
| 14:57.58 | GomoX | but they claim to support other OSes and say they distribute it that way so you dont need an unzipper |
| 14:58.04 | bob2 | hailstorm: it will be a whiole, however |
| 14:58.08 | Guido | heh |
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| 14:58.12 | Guido | nice bot this dpkg |
| 14:58.20 | bob2 | zu22: nowhere. |
| 14:58.49 | GomoX | thanks, i dont need to download 200kb worth of unzip but only 10MB worth of WINE! |
| 14:58.50 | Guido | bob2 : are all cds important? |
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| 14:58.58 | greycat | Guido: no. |
| 14:59.00 | vesut | this is too weird! altough I have specified image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 in the lilo.conf file, 2.4.23-1-686 is loaded. what am I doing wrong??? |
| 14:59.06 | CueballUK | How can I do a reverse lookup from command line? |
| 14:59.10 | PingLH | vesut, is there a way I can have a back up boot on lilo if I misses on upgrading my kernal? |
| 14:59.13 | GomoX | vesut: did you rerun lilo? |
| 14:59.14 | greycat | vesut: forgot to run lilo? |
| 14:59.19 | nevyn | CueballUK: host ipaddr |
| 14:59.20 | GomoX | heh |
| 14:59.29 | CueballUK | Thanx nevyn |
| 14:59.31 | zu22 | bob2: oh heh |
| 14:59.35 | greycat | PingLH: yes, multiple image= sections |
| 14:59.36 | matlads | vesut: lilo -v |
| 14:59.59 | Hurri-Cane | i have just installed 2 new network cards to make a total of 3 in my debian box lo and eth0 are up and eth1 and eth2 are down. now none of the cabling has changed. the nics settings are the same i can ping all the computers and my router on the local network but cannot ping or connect to the internet. now the gateway is setup as 192.168.0.1 on eth0 and i cannot ping and internet hosts or ips |
| 15:00.05 | Hurri-Cane | any ideas? |
| 15:00.26 | vesut | greycat uhm.... how to 'run' lilo? I rebooted |
| 15:00.32 | greycat | vesut: type 'lilo' |
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| 15:00.52 | mechan0r | how to type? |
| 15:01.07 | greycat | Hurri-Cane: you said "the local network". This implies you only have one. So why do you have 3 NICs? |
| 15:01.22 | greycat | mechan0r: hire a consultant |
| 15:01.28 | Hurri-Cane | umm i am going to set up a vpn and gateway |
| 15:01.45 | matlads | mechan0r: constant practice and perseverance |
| 15:02.00 | kosh^ | greetings all, I wonder if anyone tried the following packet : kernel-patch-ext3-2.2 I am running 2.2.20 and am fine with that (old hardware,) but i need ext3 support. when I apply it, there is no errors, but upon 'make bzImage' i get : "undefined reference to `jfs_prelock_buffer_check'" and "make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1" the rest of the error is much like the one in this case: (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-- |
| 15:02.00 | kosh^ | 8&selm=fa.i39iiqv.1u6uvaf%40ifi.uio.no) any ideas? many thanks. |
| 15:02.02 | mechan0r | how to how to |
| 15:02.16 | Guido | which cd should I download the least |
| 15:02.35 | greycat | ~+netinst |
| 15:02.37 | | netinst is, like, a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
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| 15:02.51 | mechan0r | the CDs are in decreasing order of popularity of packages |
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| 15:03.13 | simonrvn | popularity? i doubt that |
| 15:03.20 | ribnitz | mechan0r: few ppl ever need cd 7 |
| 15:03.24 | GomoX | how much does the netinst image weigh? im seeing what to fit on a cd-card |
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| 15:03.33 | bob2 | GomoX: 40MB |
| 15:03.42 | greycat | depends on which image |
| 15:03.45 | bob2 | the packages are roughly sorted by popularity |
| 15:03.52 | PingLH | greycat, which lilo do i use to edit in sbin or usr/lib/menu? |
| 15:03.54 | bob2 | so everyone should install popvcon, now. |
| 15:03.58 | ribnitz | GomoX: I think its 160 mb in the 'bigger' version |
| 15:04.08 | Guido | so i suppose Cd 1 is virtually enough for standard installation? |
| 15:04.11 | GomoX | 40 mb... that looks like a nice candidate then |
| 15:04.12 | kings_knight3 | what's popvcon? |
| 15:04.15 | kings_knight3 | oh nevermind. |
| 15:04.17 | mechan0r | simonrvn you must like changing CDs as a hobby |
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| 15:04.31 | GomoX | everywhere you are you can pop a cd and install debian... every geek's dream |
| 15:04.39 | greycat | is that a new version of popularity-contest or just a different spelling? |
| 15:04.54 | kings_knight3 | lol |
| 15:05.03 | bob2 | greycat: bob2.lazy = true; |
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| 15:05.23 | Hurri-Cane | any ideas as to my problem? |
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| 15:05.51 | mosty | does ftp.debian.org use some sort of round robin dns? i am noticing that the two ip's it resolves to are out of synch |
| 15:05.53 | GomoX | Hurri-Cane: maybe now that you have 3 nics the kernel detects them on different order .. eg it detects a new nic as "eth0" and when eth0 is loaded it has, say, no cable plugged in |
| 15:06.05 | bob2 | mosty: yes |
| 15:06.06 | simonrvn | mechan0r: i don't use cds |
| 15:06.17 | GomoX | and the old NIC is now eth1, which is not configured |
| 15:06.23 | dilruacs | I cant lock my screen with ctrl-alt-del, how do I do that? |
| 15:06.32 | GomoX | Hurri-Cane: apt-get install etherconf is nice when setting up networks |
| 15:06.32 | mosty | bob2: are there any fixes? |
| 15:06.34 | ribnitz | mosty: use a mirror |
| 15:06.45 | Guido | any1 got debian running on vmware? |
| 15:06.46 | Hurri-Cane | ok will try tha |
| 15:06.47 | bob2 | mosty: wait for it to be updated? use a mirror? |
| 15:06.47 | Hurri-Cane | t |
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| 15:07.23 | GomoX | Guido: i got morphix running on vmware - its a debian derivative |
| 15:07.23 | GomoX | why would you want to install such a nice OS in vmware |
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| 15:07.36 | Guido | because i want to try around |
| 15:07.43 | Guido | trying different os, u know |
| 15:08.07 | thomas_a1am | ~test |
| 15:08.08 | | Failed |
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| 15:08.28 | GomoX | yeah, you can always do some partitioning to get "the real thing" |
| 15:08.28 | GomoX | anyway, beware of vmware's kernel modules |
| 15:08.32 | landrover88 | i can ping 127.0.0.1 but i can't surf the web does anyone know what the problem is |
| 15:08.32 | bob2 | thomas_adam: you can re-sit over the summer. |
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| 15:08.36 | simonrvn | ~thomas_adam |
| 15:08.38 | | it has been said that thomas_adam is methinks thomas_adam is a very friendly IRC helper who tries his best. He's from Southamtpton, England. a Soft Southerner (tm), NOT like caphuso |
| 15:08.54 | simonrvn | ? |
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| 15:08.59 | thomas_adam | ap, you need a grammar lesson |
| 15:09.02 | thomas_adam | apt, you need a grammar lesson |
| 15:09.04 | | thomas_adam: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:09.04 | simonrvn | ~factinfo thoms_adam |
| 15:09.04 | | simonrvn: there's no such factoid as thoms_adam |
| 15:09.08 | encrypt | landrover88 127 is you |
| 15:09.09 | simonrvn | ~factinfo thomas_adam |
| 15:09.09 | | thomas_adam -- last modified at Fri Jul 11 12:17:35 2003 by italy_m!~john@host226-185.pool21758.interbusiness.it; it has been requested 9 times, last by simonrvn, 31s ago. |
| 15:09.19 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: news to me! |
| 15:09.24 | thomas_adam | ~seen italy_m |
| 15:09.32 | | i haven't seen 'italy_m', thomas_adam |
| 15:09.34 | simonrvn | hm |
| 15:09.34 | bob2 | hm, that factoid is rather unflamey. |
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| 15:09.49 | thomas_adam | bob2: purgeth it! |
| 15:09.52 | vesut | what is the latest version of woody's kernel? *.18-12* ? |
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| 15:10.00 | simonrvn | you do ~forget foo |
| 15:10.08 | thomas_adam | ~forget thomas_adam |
| 15:10.08 | | thomas_adam: i forgot thomas_adam |
| 15:10.09 | thomas_adam | :( |
| 15:10.09 | Golfgeo | Can someone tell me how I can login to a standerd ftp server using a standerd account (guest) My Internet Explorer is showing wierd errors and I need to get a file from a server. But how do I do that under linux? |
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| 15:10.28 | GomoX | Golfgeo: use a client like gftp |
| 15:10.41 | simonrvn | use a real ftp client |
| 15:10.44 | Guido | what is woody, a devel-code-name for debian? |
| 15:10.48 | bob2 | vesut: 14, iirc. security.debian.org |
| 15:10.49 | nk_ | hi there. if I try to use scp on my server, it complains "8804: Host key verification failed." so what's wrong :-? |
| 15:10.52 | Gathond | Golfgeo: use whatever ftp client you want, ftp, lftp, yafc, ncftp (cmd line), gftp (X) |
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| 15:11.01 | bob2 | Golfgeo: does this have anything to do with Debian? |
| 15:11.04 | mosty | guido, it's the name of the 3.0 release of debian |
| 15:11.05 | tam | bob2: sorry to bother you again. do you know of anyway on bootup that i can stop ipv6 modules loading? i know the alias for ipv6 is net-pf-10 |
| 15:11.10 | bob2 | Golfgeo: er, use lftp. |
| 15:11.10 | simonrvn | landrover88: what? |
| 15:11.24 | Golfgeo | k try ftp ftp.ch.postgresql.org |
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| 15:11.40 | bob2 | tam: it's not the problem. |
| 15:11.41 | Golfgeo | I get a password inlog while it is a public server |
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| 15:12.07 | bob2 | tam: it's probably getting loaded because some program supports ipv6. just let it, unless you're 100% sure that stoppign it loading will fix your problem. |
| 15:12.08 | Gathond | Golfgeo: if its a public server use anonymous as login and your email as password |
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| 15:12.15 | Golfgeo | :) |
| 15:12.18 | Golfgeo | will try |
| 15:12.20 | tam | bob2: am not 100% |
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| 15:12.32 | vesut | bob2, do you mean iirc.security.debian.org? |
| 15:12.34 | sphinx[q] | any1 that know about where to get emu486 patch for 2.4.xx kernels its included in debian kernel-patch but cant find it on its own |
| 15:12.37 | Guido | i see no screenshots on debian-site |
| 15:12.39 | tam | bob2: but i don't know what else could be :-/ |
| 15:12.49 | Golfgeo | Gathond thanx mate |
| 15:13.10 | bob2 | vesut: no. go to http://security.debian.org/ |
| 15:13.17 | nk_ | anyone at least got a hint for me? guess it's some kind of firewall blocking or something? |
| 15:13.20 | bob2 | Guido: of course, Debian has no look to screenshot. |
| 15:13.22 | bob2 | nk_: no. |
| 15:13.30 | nk_ | bob2: but? |
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| 15:13.32 | bob2 | nk_: add some -vvv goodness. |
| 15:13.43 | bob2 | tam: can you set a static IP or not? |
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| 15:13.50 | nk_ | .oO(-vvv goodness... i see) hrhr, ok :) I'll try |
| 15:14.02 | Gathond | nk_: i think it means the hosts key (encryption key) aint the one expected |
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| 15:14.17 | dilruacs | I cant find the start button |
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| 15:14.35 | nk_ | Gathond: so I somehow have to add the key from the host I want the file to copy to to add to the host I want the file send from? |
| 15:15.00 | thomas_adam | nk_: man ssh-keygen |
| 15:15.00 | ribnitz | dilruacs: there's none, try right-clicking on the desktop |
| 15:15.06 | coolnewbie | i would like to completly delete a package from my system not just remove what should i do |
| 15:15.19 | PingLH | how would i make a boot up floopy? I said no when it ask me when I did an hd install. |
| 15:15.22 | Gathond | nk_: but try the -vvv thing and look at the debug info |
| 15:15.22 | ribnitz | coolnewbie: apt-get --purge remove |
| 15:15.23 | thomas_adam | coolnewbie: apt-get --purge remove |
| 15:15.28 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: heh |
| 15:15.30 | deego | All the DSAs have this line: "You may use an automated update by adding the resources from the footer to the proper configuration." (I do use cron-apt), but what footer are they referring to? Are they suggesting cron-apt? |
| 15:15.34 | coolnewbie | thanks |
| 15:15.45 | dilruacs | I cant start a shell, command.com is not working |
| 15:16.03 | thomas_adam | dilruacs: try /bin/bash |
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| 15:16.08 | tam | bob2: fixed!! |
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| 15:16.20 | tam | bob2: thanks ma! needed to reload network stuff etc |
| 15:16.36 | tam | s/ma/man :) |
| 15:16.39 | dilruacs | dir is not installed |
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| 15:16.58 | ribnitz | dilruacs: this is linux, it does not accept dos commands |
| 15:17.40 | Golfgeo | Gathond Wierd, I'm getting error message 502 while doing a ls on that server, do you know what that means? |
| 15:17.47 | nk_ | Gathond: yes... he's searching in $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts for the key but doesn't find it... |
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| 15:18.10 | dilruacs | no wonder its free... it doesnt do anything |
| 15:18.14 | ferran | hi |
| 15:18.23 | gordonjcp | dilruacs: please go and troll somewhere else |
| 15:18.24 | bob2 | dilruacs: come on, you can do better than that. |
| 15:18.28 | landrover88 | what does rm -rf / do it just did that but it takes so long to complete |
| 15:18.28 | oneifreak | dilruacs: try "ls" instead |
| 15:18.32 | ferran | i've a little problem |
| 15:18.35 | coolnewbie | how can i know the list packages in my sytem that are installed and not installed |
| 15:18.36 | bob2 | dilruacs: www.spiralx.co.uk/trolls.html, come back when you can do it properly. |
| 15:18.36 | gordonjcp | landrover88: hehehe |
| 15:18.38 | bob2 | dilruacs: cya. |
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| 15:18.51 | _matlads | dilruacs: oh pse |
| 15:18.59 | ribnitz | dilruacs: it does alot, but like anything it needs getting into |
| 15:19.23 | ferran | anybody knows how can turn on the ALT key under X with a debian? |
| 15:19.27 | ribnitz | bob2: is that a trolling howto? ;) |
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| 15:19.37 | LoRez | ferran: turn it on? how did you turn it off? |
| 15:19.43 | bob2 | ribnitz: yup |
| 15:20.04 | HuBBa | does anybody her know what package to install to supoort the aclocal command (the eroor i get is : ./bootstrap: line 23: aclocal-1.6: command not found )?? |
| 15:20.19 | dilruacs | apt-get install autoconf |
| 15:20.22 | gordonjcp | ribnitz: it's hilarious, read it |
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| 15:20.30 | kosh^ | do I need more than the 2.2.20 kernel and the 'kernel-patch-ext3-2.2' package itselfe in order to make this work? i cannot find much documantation about this on google.. any suggestions? thanks |
| 15:20.31 | bob2 | HuBBa: automake1.6 |
| 15:20.45 | bob2 | kosh^: ext3 on 2.2 is more or less abandoned. |
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| 15:20.51 | bookmark | anyone know of a safe way to paste into an irc window? |
| 15:20.56 | kawazu | hi. :) samba, anyone? |
| 15:20.57 | dilruacs | ^V |
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| 15:21.05 | bob2 | kosh^: you'd be much better off jumping up to the 21st century tand 2.4 :) |
| 15:21.13 | bob2 | kawazu: #samba |
| 15:21.17 | _matlads | bookmark: middle click? |
| 15:21.18 | HuBBa | bob2: thx |
| 15:21.21 | kawazu | bob2: thx. :) |
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| 15:21.31 | RelDrgn | ferran: turn on the alt key in what way? |
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| 15:21.38 | RelDrgn | ferran: is the alt key not working? |
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| 15:21.48 | kosh^ | bob2, i know, but i need 2.2.20 or any 2.2 in order to make the kernel find the right ammount of memmory on this old proliant 2500 box |
| 15:22.05 | bob2 | kosh^: ouchy. |
| 15:22.06 | bookmark | _matlads, mmb is too flaky, sometimes it will paste TONS of shit that was on the page and you didn't even have it highlighted |
| 15:22.08 | RelDrgn | bookmark: middle click ito a text editor first to make sure what you're pasting is safe? |
| 15:22.11 | kosh^ | yes, i have tried the append="mem=<mem>" option |
| 15:22.14 | ferran | RelDrgn, the problem is that the |
| 15:22.17 | thebug | kosh^: ? I have no problem w/ pl 2500 |
| 15:22.21 | bookmark | hmmm ok |
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| 15:22.28 | Serbitar | kosh^: what kernel version? |
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| 15:22.29 | kosh^ | thebug, which kernel? |
| 15:22.35 | Serbitar | doh |
| 15:22.37 | kosh^ | i tried 2.4.24 |
| 15:22.38 | RelDrgn | ferran: yes, yes, I see, that is a problem. Tell me about your mother. |
| 15:22.43 | ferran | RelDrgn, ALT key don't work with the numpad to wirte extended chars |
| 15:22.43 | thebug | 2.4.most anything |
| 15:22.47 | bookmark | ok c you l8r |
| 15:22.57 | RelDrgn | ferran: thats right ;P |
| 15:23.07 | Serbitar | kosh^: the mem= param in 2.4.24 is not mem=momamount any more |
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| 15:23.11 | ferran | RelDrgn, sorry i pressed enter :) |
| 15:23.24 | Serbitar | and hasnt been for quite a while |
| 15:23.30 | thebug | kosh^:maybe you need to install a newer bios rompaq or something? |
| 15:23.32 | ferran | RelDrgn, it seems that the alt kay is desactivated or remaped |
| 15:23.37 | RelDrgn | ferran: X uses a COMPOSE key for building complex characters |
| 15:23.52 | Guido | tell me about cd Non US |
| 15:24.02 | Guido | i m not in US, do i have to get this Cd? |
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| 15:24.20 | kosh^ | Serbitar, ah, that explains it.. you happend to know what the syntax is? i tried yesterday to find it, but could only see mem= |
| 15:24.26 | ribnitz | Guido: there are cd mirrors |
| 15:24.30 | kosh^ | well, |
| 15:24.33 | RelDrgn | Guido: non-us is stuff that for whatever legal reason is distributed from outside of the US. usually its cryptography |
| 15:24.40 | Serbitar | kosh^: sorry i dont hvae access to the machines (also prolient like yours) any more |
| 15:24.42 | Guido | oh |
| 15:24.55 | Guido | basically they;re the same, arent they? only about copyright problem |
| 15:24.55 | RelDrgn | ferran: and the only compose combo i know is compose, followed by ~ n |
| 15:24.56 | Serbitar | kosh^: googling is how i found |
| 15:25.00 | kosh^ | that is, i also tried the exactmap, etc, etc.. which only resulted in panic |
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| 15:25.10 | kosh^ | a sec |
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| 15:25.18 | RelDrgn | ferran: you can use the program xkeycaps to play with your keyboard mapping in X |
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| 15:25.37 | CSWookie | Has anyone here used the Zope packages for debian recently? They used to be really broken. |
| 15:25.39 | ferran | RelDrgn, well..and if i want to write the (for example) the alt+154 character (anyone it was) |
| 15:25.50 | ferran | RelDrgn, i cannot do it? |
| 15:25.55 | ribnitz | Guido: if you want strong crypto, you'll need non-us |
| 15:26.09 | UltraSub | damn, got mrts and rrdtool working only partially |
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| 15:26.15 | UltraSub | had unstable version of both previously |
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| 15:26.25 | coolnewbie | how can i know the list packages in my sytem that are installed and not installed |
| 15:26.26 | RelDrgn | ferran: in what characer map? chances are, whatever you think you're going to get, isn't the 154th character in the character set your font is probably in |
| 15:26.28 | UltraSub | no pics were generated then, but totals worked |
| 15:26.36 | UltraSub | now stable version, got pics, but no totals |
| 15:26.42 | UltraSub | any idea what could b wrong? |
| 15:26.43 | caphuso | kings_knight3: then use whatever client you are using right now |
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| 15:26.57 | ljlane | coolnewbie: dpkg -l | pager |
| 15:27.01 | kings_knight3 | caphuso: xchat is the client i'm using |
| 15:27.18 | RelDrgn | ferran: for instance, in a unicode font in a UTF8 encoded situation, 154 is illegal by itself. |
| 15:27.22 | caphuso | kings_knight3: then what's the problem? |
| 15:27.24 | ribnitz | coolnewbie: dpkg -l |
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| 15:27.31 | deadchip | what package is make-kpkg in? |
| 15:27.36 | caphuso | deadchip: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | kernel-package |
| 15:27.44 | ferran | RelDrgn, i'm a little bit confused :) |
| 15:27.45 | ljlane | deadchip: kernel-package |
| 15:27.46 | ribnitz | deadchip: kernel-package |
| 15:27.50 | kings_knight3 | caphuso: hmm, none i guess, just can't find a server :) |
| 15:27.53 | deadchip | and also does it make sense to anyone that when compiling the kernel with make-kpkg, GNU as seg faults on me, but just using make, it doesn't? |
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| 15:28.05 | deadchip | caphuso, ljlane, ribnitz: thanks : ) |
| 15:28.07 | RelDrgn | ferran: exactly ;) |
| 15:28.07 | caphuso | kings_knight3: what do you need one for? you are already connected just fine |
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| 15:28.26 | ferran | RelDrgn, in the ancient times, there are a ascii extended map with 255 characters, isn't it? |
| 15:28.28 | kings_knight3 | caphuso: i know, |
| 15:28.31 | RelDrgn | ferran: wrong |
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| 15:28.49 | ferran | RelDrgn, good :) |
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| 15:29.18 | kosh^ | ah, there is was: what i tried was: append="mem=exactmap mem=640K@0 mem=160M@1M", append="mem=640K@0 mem=160M@1M" |
| 15:29.26 | RelDrgn | ferran: ascii is only 7 bits, 0-127. Windows uses "code pages" to define what 128-255 mean. Depending on what country your windows came from, in windows you'd get a different result from alt-154. |
| 15:29.32 | deadchip | wasn't that there is a bug with GNU as on Debian? hmm |
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| 15:29.39 | kosh^ | one resulted in panic, and the other in a hang |
| 15:29.48 | RelDrgn | ferran: that also depends on the font you're using too. |
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| 15:30.12 | ferran | RelDrgn, well, but i cannot use alt in any case |
| 15:30.37 | yOuCanKillACat | ferran: try Esc instead of alt |
| 15:30.44 | gbon121 | hi all. Can anybody guess why 'xset c 100' in a xterm doesn't suffice to give an audible keyclick? |
| 15:30.44 | Serbitar | kosh^: iirc mem=127@1 worked for us |
| 15:30.48 | ferran | RelDrgn, for example, if i use irssi-text under xterm i cannot change the window cause the alt key don't woork |
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| 15:31.04 | kosh^ | thebug, might I ask which option you use with your proliants 2500, with 2.4? |
| 15:31.05 | Serbitar | kosh^: cause you gotta map to within the end of your physical ram |
| 15:31.15 | thebug | what do you mean |
| 15:31.15 | ferran | yOuCanKillACat, don't work :) |
| 15:31.19 | _matlads | bookmark: cntrl+V |
| 15:31.23 | kosh^ | Serbitar, ah, i'll check it out |
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| 15:31.59 | kosh^ | pray to god it will work because i dont want to waste annother day of work on this box :/ |
| 15:33.43 | kosh^ | Serbitar, is it mem=x@1 or mem=x@1M ? |
| 15:33.55 | kosh^ | if you remember |
| 15:34.06 | vile_maxim | . |
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| 15:35.00 | Serbitar | kosh^: cant remember |
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| 15:35.09 | neil | hi, i'm installing a new kernel 2.4 using aptitude. I got a message saying to add initrd=/initrd.img to my /etc/lilo.conf. But it's not there? |
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| 15:35.31 | mosty | maybe that's why it's asking you to add it |
| 15:35.31 | yOuCanKillACat | neil: is lilo installed? |
| 15:35.33 | kosh^ | ok, ill try them bouth then, cant hurt |
| 15:35.39 | neil | yes |
| 15:35.41 | kawazu | re all... running debian/unstable, xfree 4.2.1 on an old pII-350 w/ a radeon 7500 (ve qy) graphics board, after upgrading to kernel 2.6.1 dri ceased to work with this board... known problem or stupidity of mine? |
| 15:35.48 | kosh^ | Serbitar, thanks for the help |
| 15:35.48 | neil | i mean /initrd/.img isn't there |
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| 15:35.54 | neil | initrd.img |
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| 15:35.57 | thebug | kosh^:all I remember on mine was that I didn't have to do any funny config when building the kernel or booting |
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| 15:36.36 | elephantman | Does port = socket ? |
| 15:36.39 | kosh^ | thebug, any you ensured that it did interpretated the size correctly? |
| 15:36.46 | Gathond | elephantman: no |
| 15:36.50 | yOuCanKillACat | neil: it will be there when you proceed with the kernel installation |
| 15:36.55 | kosh^ | because i have never seen that on a proliant 2500 |
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| 15:37.11 | kosh^ | not on linux nor fbsd |
| 15:37.16 | neil | ok well I'm waiting for apt to finish installing all the other stuff then it should appear? |
| 15:37.25 | bob2 | neil: it's symlink. just add theline |
| 15:37.28 | kosh^ | it says 14mb always, in my cases anyway |
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| 15:37.43 | coolnewbie | is there any app .like rhythmbox which can provide me with consistent streaming audio for web radio stations rhythm box is not consistent |
| 15:37.47 | Serbitar | kosh^: lucky :P on our machines it said 4 :P |
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| 15:37.57 | paines | hi |
| 15:37.58 | kosh^ | hehe |
| 15:38.04 | elephantman | Gathond: ok i ll document - thanx |
| 15:38.09 | neil | bob2: Ahh it creates a symlink to the ramdisk which comes with the kernel or sommat? |
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| 15:38.22 | yOuCanKillACat | coolnewbie: perhaps you are looking for something like mplayer |
| 15:38.24 | bob2 | neil: exactly. |
| 15:38.26 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: consistent how? |
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| 15:38.28 | paines | i don't understand what to do with the debian kernel patches. how do i apply them to a kernel ? |
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| 15:38.48 | kosh^ | i dont mean to diss the 2500, it is a lovely box when it works, but the mem problem is kind of annoying :) |
| 15:38.50 | caphuso | paines: read /usr/share/doc/name-of-kernel-patch-package/README.Debian* |
| 15:38.54 | bob2 | paines: read the documentation they cane with |
| 15:39.02 | paines | there is no readme included |
| 15:39.11 | coolnewbie | Reldrgn:it plays for 10 secs with out any problem but afterwards it is broken |
| 15:39.13 | JimButton | bob2: "to cane" sounds like spanking... |
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| 15:39.26 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: if you're looking for a streaming audio *server* use icecast and one of its feeders. |
| 15:39.33 | Serbitar | kosh^: if the guy who owns the servers comes online ill extract his grub config ^_^. |
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| 15:39.45 | JimButton | oh, it actually exists as a verb, according to dict |
| 15:39.46 | neil | bob2: and it will automatically update my /vmlinux to point to the newly installed one in /boot... now I understand! :) |
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| 15:39.47 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: if you're looking for a player, use xmms |
| 15:39.51 | coolnewbie | RelDrgn:can i listen to stations with that |
| 15:40.19 | JimButton | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.31 | kosh^ | Serbitar, ^^; |
| 15:40.40 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: no, icecast is a server. if you WERE the web radio station you would run icecast. if all you want to do is listen, run xmms, mpg123, mpg321, or a zillion other players. |
| 15:40.59 | vonjkx | man i wish i can kick that stupid ppl ass who compromised the debian server |
| 15:41.04 | bob2 | neil: yup. it saves the install scripts having to update teh config files. |
| 15:41.09 | kosh^ | ok, back to 2.4.. the moment of truth |
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| 15:41.51 | coolnewbie | RelDrgn:what i want is listen to web radio |
| 15:41.58 | vile_maxim | Anyone using backports.org's spamassassin. I'm getting a few error messages in my logs like... Can't locate object method "subject_missing" via package "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" |
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| 15:42.09 | RelDrgn | coolnewbie: then xmms. |
| 15:42.19 | HuBBa | anyone knows what to do about this error i got during a make (of quake2 from quakeforge) : libtool: link: "`/usr/lib/libGL.la' is not a valid libtool archive" |
| 15:42.20 | coolnewbie | RelDrgn:ok |
| 15:42.54 | RelDrgn | HuBBa: is there a /usr/lib/libGL.la? |
| 15:43.14 | kosh^ | hmm, should have booted by now, but i cant ping it.. not promising, brb |
| 15:43.32 | HuBBa | RelDrgn: i guess not, but what do i need to install to get ir 8) ? |
| 15:43.37 | HuBBa | ir=it |
| 15:43.40 | neil | bob2: so it will automatically boot into the new kernel when I reboot? |
| 15:43.54 | RelDrgn | HuBBa: you need a -dev package for some GL library. |
| 15:43.55 | bob2 | neil: if you rerun lilo, yes |
| 15:44.07 | neil | bob2: oh? |
| 15:44.26 | bob2 | neil: you need to asdd the initrd.igm line and rerun lilo |
| 15:44.44 | neil | bob2: I thought lilo was what was run upon bootup? |
| 15:44.45 | bob2 | neil: lio is stupid and needs to be rerun everytime you touch the config file or install a new kernel |
| 15:45.15 | RelDrgn | HuBBa: for instance on sid, if you're using nvidia-glx, theres nvidia-glx-dev. if you're using a mesa package, theres a -dev of that too. |
| 15:45.16 | bob2 | neil: there's "lilo" the bit that you run from your linux system to update your boot sector and "lilo" the chunk of code that runs FROM the bootsector during boot. |
| 15:45.21 | bob2 | neil: /sbin/lio |
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| 15:46.21 | HuBBa | RelDrgn: i use Nvidia's own kernel module and driver, nvidiaglx is not seperate anymore |
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| 15:46.54 | neil | bob2: so I just run that with no arguments once all the dpkg stuff is finished? |
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| 15:47.32 | bob2 | neil: yes, after you edit it |
| 15:47.37 | bob2 | it = config file |
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| 15:47.45 | RelDrgn | HuBBa: then somewhere in their mess of stuff should be the development headers and libraries |
| 15:47.47 | bob2 | after that, dpkg will run lilo automagically in future |
| 15:47.58 | thebug | bob2: or it = kernel |
| 15:48.44 | HuBBa | RelDrgn:i guess, but im not so familiar with linux install routines, so i dont know where they install it |
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| 15:49.03 | encrypt | greycat where can i find all /bin like you did with gzip in your public? |
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| 15:49.38 | coolnewbie | i have done apt --purge remove but the package still seem to exist in my system why |
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| 15:50.14 | SlayerXP | new toy: http://photos.hinterlands.org/show_collection.php?id=96278 |
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| 15:50.23 | yOuCanKillACat | coolnewbie: what does "exist" mean, exactly? |
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| 15:51.02 | pirrak | hello |
| 15:51.29 | pirrak | does anyone know how to install support for pcmcia? |
| 15:51.35 | coolnewbie | yOuCanKillACat:when i give apt-get install the package is installed from my system rather by downloading |
| 15:51.47 | bob2 | coolnewbie: DUH. |
| 15:51.53 | bob2 | coolnewbie: the .deb is cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:52.02 | neil | bob2: excellent, it installed the initrd.img and new vmlinuz, and it ran lilo for me |
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| 15:52.04 | SlayerXP | bob2: see url above |
| 15:52.08 | bob2 | coolnewbie: can you try to be at least a little specific in future? |
| 15:52.27 | coolnewbie | ok |
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| 15:53.24 | bob2 | SlayerXP: memememememememememememe. |
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| 15:54.36 | chip | Anybody know what needs to be done for the Verisign cert issue? |
| 15:54.38 | nk_ | 8949: debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent |
| 15:54.38 | nk_ | 8949: debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY |
| 15:54.38 | nk_ | 8949: Host key verification failed. |
| 15:54.38 | nk_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.40 | chip | (if anything) |
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| 15:54.58 | nk_ | sry, didn't knew that 3 lines now are flood |
| 15:55.45 | JimButton | nk_: i guess your "hm..." line made it 4 |
| 15:55.57 | nk_ | ah... damnit |
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| 15:56.47 | RelDrgn | chip: clients need to upgrade their root cert set to include verisigns new cert |
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| 15:59.06 | thePeps | gbon121: hello |
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| 16:01.31 | seb | #server 192.168.0.246 |
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| 16:02.44 | gbon121 | hi all. anybody can guess why 'xset c 100' doesn't suffice to enable audible keyclicks in xterm/wmaker/xfree86? |
| 16:03.51 | Leonardo_Lopes | How can I give permission to all users shutdown and reboot the computer? |
| 16:04.15 | SlayerXP | Leonardo_Lopes: man sudo |
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| 16:05.39 | yOuCanKillACat | Leonardo_Lopes: local users may press ctrl-alt-del |
| 16:05.39 | Leonardo_Lopes | SlayerXP, have another way? |
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| 16:06.15 | bob2 | Leonardo_Lopes: sudo is a better answer than any half-assed hack you might concoct. |
| 16:06.20 | SlayerXP | Leonardo_Lopes: give them the root password. |
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| 16:06.42 | CSWookie | Leonardo_Lopes: sudo is a good thing. |
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| 16:06.56 | ShaolinTiger | Leonardo_Lopes: learn how to use sudo |
| 16:07.19 | caphuso | someone should mention sudo... |
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| 16:07.46 | sandman | FOr some reason, I cannot remove postgresql. It believes there are no files there |
| 16:07.50 | sandman | Anyone know how to get around this? |
| 16:07.55 | sandman | I need to purge postgresql |
| 16:08.08 | jelly | reinstall and purge then? |
| 16:08.20 | bob2 | sandman: explain what you did to it. |
| 16:08.27 | jelly | "really bad inconsistent state"? |
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| 16:09.09 | PiWiJe | when i have upgrade my debian in sarge i can't open kde why please |
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| 16:09.37 | PiWiJe | gnome works good |
| 16:09.48 | sandman | bob2: I didn't do anything |
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| 16:10.03 | yOuCanKillACat | PiWiJe: explain how you found out that kde does not work |
| 16:10.05 | lewis | hey - I need to remove the first four characters from a variable in PHP, how can I do that? also, the first four characters will always be the same, if that helps... |
| 16:10.21 | sandman | bob2: I think it died during install of it or something. |
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| 16:10.54 | sandman | bob2: Can I install without installing deps |
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| 16:11.00 | PiWiJe | it say me that te utmp and wtmp is not registred |
| 16:11.13 | PiWiJe | or smthing so |
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| 16:11.19 | bob2 | sandman: no |
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| 16:11.29 | g4lt | lewis #php |
| 16:11.33 | nevyn | lewis: there's a subst function |
| 16:11.54 | sandman | bob2: Well, I dunno what I'm supposed to do.. |
| 16:12.01 | nk_ | i'm getting nuts with this ssh-stuff... i now created id_dsa, id_dsa.pub, id_rsa and id_rsa.pub, nevertheless I get the same warnings... |
| 16:12.08 | sandman | bob2: I saw one option in the manpage for forcing it, but it says it was dangerous afaik |
| 16:12.09 | lewis | they told me str_replace... |
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| 16:12.23 | lewis | but I can't find a way to remove first four characters... |
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| 16:12.28 | bob2 | sandman: blah. install it again |
| 16:12.29 | jelly | sandman: well the generic answer would be "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:12.30 | nevyn | nk_: what warning? |
| 16:12.33 | lewis | ooh - $str = substr( $str, 4 ); |
| 16:12.49 | nevyn | yeah that works too |
| 16:12.52 | g4lt | nk_ I can understand why it'd driving you crazy, since you aren't actually reading the errors |
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| 16:13.01 | nk_ | nevyn: well "Host key verfification failed..." and above if debugging "debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH-GEX_REPLY" |
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| 16:13.55 | g4lt | nk_ look in .ssh/known_hosts.... |
| 16:14.12 | nk_ | g4lt: well... there is none known_hosts... |
| 16:14.25 | nk_ | and besides I thought it adds the keys automatically to known_hosts |
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| 16:15.39 | chip | RelDrgn: So is there a deb package for that (yet)? |
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| 16:16.16 | mdupont | anyone know about subdomains |
| 16:16.17 | mdupont | ? |
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| 16:16.32 | nvz | yeap |
| 16:16.35 | kosh^ | anybody experienced the following before, or think they might know what i should do to eliminate the problem? : when i uses the kernel option 'mem=xM@1' or 'mem=xM@1M' or 'mem=x@1' the kernel hangs when booting. that is, after the message that the kernel beeing uncompressed, and that boot should be initialized, there is nothing but silence. no error, nothing. i am lost for options, please help, thanks. |
| 16:16.48 | RelDrgn | chip: no, because the certs are part of whatever app: jdk, webbrowser, or whatever uses SSL. |
| 16:16.52 | kosh^ | this is 2.4.24 by the way |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | mdupont: just ask your question |
| 16:16.59 | chip | ah. kthnx |
| 16:17.07 | nvz | kosh^: stop doing that should elimainate that problem |
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| 16:17.16 | yOuCanKillACat | mdupont: surely, at least the one who invented them |
| 16:17.18 | RelDrgn | what exactly is that @ thing supposed to be? |
| 16:17.27 | Knight_Lord | What is your favourite emule like client? |
| 16:17.35 | mdupont | well, i have a hoster that does does not give me a proper dns hosting |
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| 16:17.38 | mdupont | just a redirect |
| 16:17.43 | mdupont | i have a colocation |
| 16:17.45 | kosh^ | nvz, well, because linux wont recongnize the correct memsize (proliant 2500,) i need to do it |
| 16:17.59 | mdupont | that is running debian |
| 16:18.01 | mdupont | and gforge |
| 16:18.03 | [Caleb] | tell me about linux |
| 16:18.03 | nvz | kosh^: and where did you read this? |
| 16:18.06 | [Caleb] | ~tell me about linux |
| 16:18.20 | mdupont | now i want to find about how to get the virtual domains to respond for that machine |
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| 16:18.28 | kosh^ | nvz, i also tried mem=xM only, that do not give an error, but it does not help on the problem |
| 16:18.41 | [Caleb] | apt, ati how to guide can be found here http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=22 |
| 16:18.44 | | You are moron #19, [Caleb] |
| 16:18.48 | [Caleb] | lol |
| 16:18.50 | PiWiJe | can i upgrade my distrib in graphique mode |
| 16:18.50 | kosh^ | nvz, google, and i was told here for 10min ago |
| 16:18.53 | [Caleb] | apt, ati how to guide, can be found here http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=22 |
| 16:18.55 | | You are moron #20, [Caleb] |
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| 16:19.03 | nvz | kosh^: how much memory are we talking here? |
| 16:19.07 | [Caleb] | apt, ati how to guide is here http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=22 |
| 16:19.09 | | [Caleb]: okay |
| 16:19.18 | [Caleb] | ~tell me about ati |
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| 16:19.30 | kosh^ | nvz, it works on 2.2.20 i should say, but i need ext3.. |
| 16:19.34 | kosh^ | nvz, only 160m |
| 16:20.50 | kosh^ | nvz, it has always happend on any proliant 2500 i sat up, and i always solved it with mem=xM but that was 2.2.x, now i am on 2.4.x |
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| 16:20.59 | PiWiJe | can i upgrade my distrib in graphique mode |
| 16:21.33 | kosh^ | nvz, futher, it recongnize 14m, while there is 160m physically |
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| 16:22.00 | nvz | kosh^: when you boot 2.4.24 without kernel params? |
| 16:22.07 | neil | bob2: Great, the update worked. Seems to be running much faster now too! :) |
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| 16:22.22 | kosh^ | it reconginize 14m, yes, but it boots fine |
| 16:22.27 | nevyn_ | hello |
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| 16:22.46 | Rubin | ok, i have a rant. |
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| 16:22.56 | Rubin | dhcp-client is installed by default with woody |
| 16:23.04 | freedom | umcd |
| 16:23.08 | freedom | whoops |
| 16:23.12 | tapas | hi, can i install gnome2 without installing libasound? i got a alsa compiled from source.. |
| 16:23.17 | Rubin | but it appears to dhcp your adapters every few hours even if they are configured static |
| 16:23.18 | Rubin | AND |
| 16:23.20 | sphinx[q] | any1 that know where to get 486emu patch thats included in debian kernels |
| 16:23.24 | Rubin | this is a comment from the top of the included script |
| 16:23.26 | Rubin | # No guarantees about this. I'm a novice at the details of Linux |
| 16:23.26 | Rubin | # networking. |
| 16:23.28 | kosh^ | nvz, you heard about the problem, yes? |
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| 16:24.06 | asg | Rubin: if you interfaces are static, why are you running dhcp-client at all? |
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| 16:24.16 | asg | s/if you/if your/ |
| 16:24.22 | Rubin | asg: i didnt even know it was installed until all my ip's changed randomly at 9pm tonight |
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| 16:24.42 | Rubin | asg: it just seems like a sucky way of configuring things by default |
| 16:24.58 | asg | Rubin: did you use dhcp during the install? |
| 16:25.02 | Rubin | asg: yeah |
| 16:25.05 | nvz | kosh^: nope.. looking into it.. but I do know that if you type bogus params and it kills a kernel first step would be to stop making shit up and start reading documentation, which I am trying to get to, but my PC is slow as hell |
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| 16:25.31 | asg | Rubin: then it is just assuming that you were wanting to use dhcp. If you decide later not to, you just kill the client and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:25.49 | Rubin | asg: i edited network/interfaces, guess i just didnt even think about dhcp-client |
| 16:26.07 | Rubin | the weird thing is, it unconfigured all my eth0:x devices in addition to changing my ip |
| 16:26.20 | asg | Rubin: mmmmm |
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| 16:26.32 | Rubin | anyway, no biggie. just a rant ;) |
| 16:26.40 | RelDrgn | interesting |
| 16:26.46 | kosh^ | nvz, i am reading documentation, and google, as you will see, append="mem=exactmap mem=640K@0 mem=xM@1M" and the params i mentioned earlyer is suggested for solutions on google, and in here |
| 16:26.51 | asg | Rubin: netstat -rant |
| 16:27.09 | RelDrgn | on sid, installing dhcp-client creates /etc/init.d/dhcpc.dpkg-new |
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| 16:27.25 | asg | Rubin: actually, after edititing network interfaces, did you do an /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 16:27.27 | nvz | kosh^: yeap, googling is a good thing.. but you cant believe everything you read on google |
| 16:27.30 | encrypt | greycat you there? |
| 16:27.30 | kosh^ | also, mem=xM always worked before, that i found by reading man for lilo, or was it lilo.conf? one sec |
| 16:27.31 | asg | Rubin: or just ifup/down |
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| 16:27.41 | asg | encrypt: /whois greycat && /msg dpkg seen greycat |
| 16:28.01 | Rubin | asg: does /etc/init.d/networking restart re-set which ports dhcp-client 'owns'? |
| 16:28.06 | encrypt | where can i find all /bin binaries? |
| 16:28.07 | Rubin | i just ifup/down'd it |
| 16:28.29 | abrotman | encrypt: did you get cracked? |
| 16:28.35 | nk_ | hi there. is it unsecure to run openssh version 3.4p1? |
| 16:28.35 | asg | Rubin: it should, iirc, kill the dhcp-client which will not be reactivated if you then use static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:29.00 | encrypt | abrotman yea |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | encrypt: you know you should reinstall right? |
| 16:29.16 | Rubin | guess i'll have to get in the habit of doing it that way then |
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| 16:29.22 | encrypt | i know it, but know i need all /bin binaries please |
| 16:29.24 | abrotman | or have you already gotten all this advice from others? |
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| 16:29.35 | encrypt | but *now* |
| 16:29.49 | abrotman | encrypt: why not reinstall the packages? |
| 16:29.56 | nvz | kosh^: the @'s and shit dont seem right to me but I havent gotten that far yet.. the correct syntax seems to be simply the size in M i.e. mem=160M |
| 16:30.05 | encrypt | because im not near the server and all /bin are broken |
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| 16:30.27 | asg | encrypt: scp up a copy of busybox for the time being then |
| 16:30.48 | encrypt | ? |
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| 16:31.18 | |kosh | network is not very stabile today it seems.. |
| 16:31.33 | nvz | |kosh: must just be you |
| 16:31.40 | asg | encrypt: busybox is a single static binary that provides some neat tools (like ls, cp, mv, etc.) It will be helpful in restoring your /bin when you get around to it |
| 16:31.44 | |kosh | of course |
| 16:31.54 | abrotman | ~tell encrypt about busybox |
| 16:32.07 | encrypt | thnks |
| 16:32.32 | PiWiJe | how can i have kde under sarge please |
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| 16:33.00 | abrotman | PiWiJe: install it? or do you want a newer version than sarge has? |
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| 16:33.50 | PiWiJe | what can i do if apt-get install kde don't work |
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| 16:33.54 | nvz | damn my pc is slow.. I think either my mem or one of my harddrives is going bad |
| 16:33.58 | idimmu | how can i force a package to be installed with dpkg please? |
| 16:34.06 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | PiWiJe: is there a specific error? |
| 16:34.13 | thomas_adam | idimmu: apt-get -f |
| 16:34.17 | sandman | It wants me to have my CVS hostname cvs.cme.mine.nu |
| 16:34.22 | asg | idimmu: dpkg --force-help (and know what you are doing) |
| 16:34.23 | |kosh | nvz, well, if you spot anything, let me know, though i wont bother you if you got your own problems, as it seems |
| 16:34.29 | idimmu | cheers asg |
| 16:34.32 | thomas_adam | asg: that, even!] |
| 16:34.36 | sandman | I haven't anything pointing to cvs.cme.mine.nu; It's all running on the same server |
| 16:34.37 | caphuso | "apt-get -f" does *not* mean force |
| 16:34.38 | asg | idimmu: circumnavigating the dependency system will often break things, badly |
| 16:34.44 | sandman | What to do? |
| 16:34.48 | nvz | |kosh: no not any problems here.. |
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| 16:34.55 | encrypt | i have no ls.... where's the busybox bin's? |
| 16:34.55 | asg | thomas_adam: night |
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| 16:35.09 | thomas_adam | caphuso: hence my departure to sleep |
| 16:35.14 | asg | encrypt: apt-get install busybox |
| 16:35.18 | PiWiJe | its says me that utmp and wtmp is not registred |
| 16:35.27 | asg | encrypt: or apt-get install busybox-static |
| 16:35.34 | bloom | apt-get -f fixes things when you've already circumvented the dependancy system |
| 16:35.36 | |kosh | nvz, i was refering to the complaints about slow pc |
| 16:35.39 | abrotman | not registered? |
| 16:35.46 | PiWiJe | gnome works fine |
| 16:35.49 | ciga | hi |
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| 16:35.54 | encrypt | asg i cant apt. gzip is broken.. i downloaded the tarball and extracted.. |
| 16:36.01 | nvz | |kosh: my drawer full of tools, is right behind me, with my drawer full of parts, and I got at least two other PCs ready to be swapped for this one if anything goes wrong.. |
| 16:36.05 | G2 | anyone recommend any good wiki's |
| 16:36.13 | eeyore- | encrypt: how can gzip be broken? |
| 16:36.14 | nvz | |kosh: when you buy PC's from $5 a piece this is what happens |
| 16:36.15 | ciga | anyone with postfix and virtual + mysql? I have a problem to solve. |
| 16:36.23 | abrotman | eeyore-: his box got cracked |
| 16:36.31 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh, eeew |
| 16:36.39 | abrotman | encrypt: this could be a dumb question .. you sure you dont have a toasted HDD? |
| 16:36.43 | |kosh | nvz, nice, it reminds me of myselfe accrually :) |
| 16:36.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: how could this happen this day and age? |
| 16:36.54 | encrypt | all /bin is broken |
| 16:36.55 | encrypt | hehe |
| 16:36.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: compromised local account? |
| 16:37.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: dunno not my box |
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| 16:37.12 | encrypt | im making busybox.. ok |
| 16:37.17 | asg | encrypt: try getting it with another box and scp'ing it up |
| 16:37.19 | PiWiJe | abrotman its says me that utmp and wtmp must be registred |
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| 16:37.41 | neil | how I do I find out which files are installed by a given package after installation? |
| 16:37.45 | caphuso | neil: dpkg -L |
| 16:37.48 | encrypt | ok, compiled.. |
| 16:37.50 | eeyore- | neil: dpkg --search |
| 16:37.51 | encrypt | its all about modules? |
| 16:37.56 | thomas_adam | neil: dpkg -L |
| 16:37.57 | eeyore- | neil: dpkg --listfiles <package name> |
| 16:38.15 | nvz | |kosh: well I finally got the kernel source untarred, I have done 'grep -R mem= *' on the Documentation dir, and found several files explaining those kernel params |
| 16:38.34 | abrotman | PiWiJe: im not a kde user .. and have no idea what that means .. check the BTS |
| 16:38.34 | asg | encrypt: type 'busybox' it should list all the functions it supports |
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| 16:39.11 | encrypt | great |
| 16:39.12 | PiWiJe | abrotman whts BTS |
| 16:39.20 | abrotman | ~tell PiWiJe about BTS |
| 16:39.27 | asg | encrypt: that'll keep you going till you restore your /bin |
| 16:39.50 | PiWiJe | THS |
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| 16:40.01 | nvz | |kosh: and I am not surprised to not see mem=X$@$^%@ shit in there anywhere |
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| 16:40.18 | encrypt | thanks asg |
| 16:40.20 | nvz | |kosh: naturally a kernel wont boot if you make stuff up |
| 16:40.32 | asg | encrypt: you're welcome |
| 16:40.38 | nvz | |kosh: have you tried mem=160M ? |
| 16:40.43 | |kosh | nvz, yes |
| 16:40.50 | neil | Has anyone used ECIADSL modem driver before? |
| 16:40.52 | |kosh | that is what i usually solve it with |
| 16:41.03 | |kosh | but when using 2.2.20 |
| 16:41.06 | |kosh | or 2.2.x |
| 16:41.19 | |kosh | but it wont work with 2.4.x |
| 16:41.25 | |kosh | for some reason |
| 16:41.28 | eeyore- | where do debian *.deb packages queue *before* showing up on incoming.debian.org ? |
| 16:41.34 | nvz | |kosh: so this method works on 2.2, and this is the first 2.4 kernel you have tried this with and that method just hangs after decompressing the kernel? |
| 16:41.50 | |kosh | yes |
| 16:42.04 | |kosh | thus i was adviced to try the other syntax |
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| 16:42.08 | eeyore- | there's a package, loop-aes-source, which depends on two other packages: loop-aes-utils and loop-aes-ciphers-source, neither of which are available yet |
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| 16:42.19 | eeyore- | uh, "recommend", rather |
| 16:42.53 | nvz | |kosh: ok, tell me this.. have you compared your config files of the two kernels? |
| 16:43.17 | AgentDave | Does anyone know how to cure this (from an autoconf script) : checking for gcc... gcc ... checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 16:43.23 | |kosh | nvz, let me be precice about: if i only use "mem=xM" ex. mem=160M then it do not hang, but it also show no effect |
| 16:43.26 | AgentDave | what type of compiler cant create executables .... |
| 16:43.38 | eeyore- | zu22: i haven't used gnome in a long time. but from memory, i did run into similar situation with gnome a few times before. it had to do with psuedo-terminal device and/or permissions |
| 16:43.38 | AgentDave | and how do i "make it so that it can" |
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| 16:44.12 | eeyore- | zu22: if i were you i'd try to make sure i have support for UNIX PTY, and make sure the perms are sensible and sane, maybe enable devfs and run devfsd on boot. |
| 16:44.26 | TTimo | lo .. I'm trying to configure xfree on a newly installed sarge |
| 16:44.35 | TTimo | in particular, the usb mouse doesn't work |
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| 16:45.00 | |kosh | nvz, no, i have not compared them, but again, the 2.4 kernel works well, the only problem is that it do not recongnize the correct memmory size |
| 16:45.00 | nvz | |kosh: well tell me this.. does the kernel log or dmesg indicate that that param was passed to the kernel? the kernel should show its commandline when booting.. |
| 16:45.08 | TTimo | my xfree86config points to /dev/input/mice, and the usb modules are loaded .. what could it be ? |
| 16:45.09 | zu22 | eeyore-: ok, everything was working fine before (i am able Ctrl-F1 etc to virtual consoles) |
| 16:45.22 | |kosh | nvz, yes, it does |
| 16:45.22 | g4lt | zu22 DO NOT MESSAGE ME |
| 16:45.22 | nvz | |kosh: never hurts to diff the two configs when you upgrade and something stops functioning |
| 16:45.28 | eeyore- | zu22: i pay very little attention to "it was fine before" statements |
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| 16:45.51 | zu22 | g4lt: OK |
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| 16:46.05 | zu22 | eeyore-: ya after a dist-upgrade anything coulda happened |
| 16:46.12 | aveng0 | anybody know why i get 403 forbidden messages when fetching debs from apt-get? |
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| 16:46.20 | peterS | TTimo: you need multiple modules loaded. 'hid' and 'mousedev', along with your USB host driver |
| 16:46.26 | zu22 | eeyore-: how exactly do i go about checking my PTYs? |
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| 16:46.46 | |kosh | nvz, i have tried x 2.4 kernels, and whatever i configure the kernel without or with, the memmory issue is still present, though with 2.2.x, i kill the bug, in any case, with mem=xM |
| 16:46.58 | peterS | TTimo: think of 'hid' as the backend, and 'mousedev' as the frontend |
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| 16:47.54 | eeyore- | zu22: kernel config, CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y, enable devfs, run devfsd |
| 16:48.06 | encrypt | is there a binutils tarball? |
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| 16:48.13 | nvz | eww devfs |
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| 16:48.38 | chemicallyrelian | true/false, on can dual boot debian and mac OSx on powerPC? |
| 16:48.45 | zu22 | eeyore-: ok thx, so u think the console keymap error and me having to "loadkeys us" to get keymap working is a seperate unstable issue? |
| 16:48.46 | CueballUK | Can some1 try host 195.137.42.35 for me plz |
| 16:48.46 | simonrvn | chemicallyrelian: yes |
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| 16:49.12 | simonrvn | CueballUK: www.samspade.org |
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| 16:49.14 | chemicallyrelian | fully sick mate. |
| 16:49.15 | LoRez | CueballUK: just give it a different NS to use than your default |
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| 16:49.30 | jayson | How do I create a username with a "." (period) in it? --force-badname doesn't work. |
| 16:49.31 | simonrvn | or that ^^^ |
| 16:49.38 | Justin_ | ahhh |
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| 16:49.48 | CueballUK | Pardon LoRez? |
| 16:49.54 | eeyore- | zu22: possible that the install/upgrade script failed somehow ... wouldn't put it past that. besides the console package seems to behave differently very recently. it now checks whether it should load console keymaps (it won't if you are in via ssh for instance, so this *may* be related) |
| 16:50.02 | Shay|Lapt | Hi all. |
| 16:50.08 | simonrvn | dig -x xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx @ns.foo.tld |
| 16:50.11 | LoRez | CueballUK: you can make host(1) query a different NS |
| 16:50.24 | Justin_ | just when i get my exim->openvpn->iptables->real smtp server... proxy going, they unblock smtp |
| 16:50.30 | CueballUK | Ah |
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| 16:50.56 | asg | Justin_: ouch :) |
| 16:51.03 | simonrvn | Justin_: big ouchie |
| 16:51.09 | TTimo | anyone? |
| 16:51.10 | zu22 | eeyore-: ya , but when i loaed TWM from Xsession in GDM i was able input fine so i'm leaning towards it being gnome-specific problem |
| 16:51.19 | simonrvn | Justin_: well, now you know how to do it ;) |
| 16:51.32 | Justin_ | simonrvn: i never got it working with pure tcp... |
| 16:51.39 | jayson | How do I create a username with a "." (period) in it? --force-badname doesn't work. |
| 16:51.53 | simonrvn | @tell jayson about repeat |
| 16:51.54 | Justin_ | if i tried to forward incoming 25 over the openvpn tunnel to 25 on my computer, it wouldn't work |
| 16:52.10 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 16:52.12 | Justin_ | so i got it working with exim by writing a router thingy |
| 16:52.19 | eeyore- | jayson: use another authentication mechanism |
| 16:52.26 | eeyore- | jayson: this is for email, right? |
| 16:52.33 | simonrvn | s/another/real/ :P |
| 16:52.41 | jayson | eeyore: no, it's for a linux account - using adduser... |
| 16:53.12 | asg | Justin_: the syntax is a little terse but exim can do some pretty neat routing |
| 16:53.13 | eeyore- | jayson: account names are supposed to be limited to 8 ascii characters .... |
| 16:53.16 | encrypt | will "alias rm='busybox rm $1'" work? |
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| 16:53.37 | simonrvn | encrypt: why would you want to alias that? |
| 16:53.38 | asg | encrypt: just create a symlink to busybox with the name 'rm' |
| 16:53.49 | Justin_ | asg: took me a hell of a long time to figure out what I needed to do, but the actual configuring part was easy... 4 lines or so |
| 16:53.49 | simonrvn | oh, ok. nm |
| 16:53.50 | jayson | eeyore: yes, but --force-badname exists for a reason - we're migrating from another system, and need to keep all usernames the same. |
| 16:54.11 | Shay|Lapt | ~lart simonrvn |
| 16:54.15 | asg | Justin_: cool, we do some pretty hairy ldap based lookups here but once you figure them out, they do work pretty well. |
| 16:54.15 | eeyore- | jayson: well, if libc likes it, just edit the /etc/passwd file directly |
| 16:54.18 | simonrvn | wee |
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| 16:54.20 | nvz | |kosh: well I've located the kernel documentation on those params none of use were familiar with.. ~\Documentation\kernel-parameters.txt |
| 16:54.33 | simonrvn | asg: yes they do ;) |
| 16:54.39 | jayson | eeyore: so add it without the ., then go add it in /etc/passwd? |
| 16:54.47 | encrypt | asg but i need parte the func to busybox |
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| 16:54.50 | encrypt | parse |
| 16:54.52 | eeyore- | jayson: skip "adduser" entirely |
| 16:54.55 | Justin_ | asg: i just needed to tell it: mail to foo.com, goes to 10.1.0.1 etc |
| 16:54.55 | Shay|Lapt | yay a new kernel module that makes the centrino wifi work :) |
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| 16:55.02 | asg | encrypt: what? what are you trying to do now? |
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| 16:55.11 | asg | Justin_: ah, okay. |
| 16:55.12 | guigouz | does anyone here host or ever hosted a virtual server at linode.com ? |
| 16:55.22 | jayson | eeyore: well what all does adduser do other than create the /home, copy /etc/skel and add to /etc/passwd? |
| 16:55.32 | encrypt | asg i'm trying to dpkg -i binutils.deb, but it needs rm, ln and cp, i guess |
| 16:55.49 | ercin | whats the freetype prob with xfree 4.3 ? |
| 16:55.54 | eeyore- | jayson: it's just a nice front-end, that's about it. nothing you couldn't do by hand. |
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| 16:56.18 | asg | encrypt: /location/of/busybox/ln -s /location/of/busybox /bin/rm (rinse and repeat with ln and cp) |
| 16:56.32 | tof__ | is there a way to read directly all those 'README.Debian.gz' without unzipping them first? |
| 16:56.37 | asg | encrypt: then dpkg should be happy |
| 16:56.44 | CSWookie | tof__: zless |
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| 16:56.54 | simonrvn | lesspipe/lessfile |
| 16:56.56 | asg | s#busybox/ln#busybox ln# |
| 16:57.03 | tof__ | CSWookie: yahooo thanks! |
| 16:57.05 | ercin | tof__, mc |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | ~wma |
| 16:57.10 | | somebody said wma was audio/x-ms-wma |
| 16:57.13 | tfg | what apt-get package is stdio.h, string.h etc in? |
| 16:57.18 | xpato | any with networking experience? |
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| 16:57.26 | asg | tfg: /msg dpkg find <file> |
| 16:57.29 | xpato | i lossing a lot of packages |
| 16:57.31 | tfg | ta |
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| 16:57.36 | abrotman | any chance of playing wma in linux/. |
| 16:57.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:57.40 | xpato | could it be the cable? |
| 16:57.41 | asg | abrotman: mplayer |
| 16:57.50 | |kosh | nvz, hmm mem= is not even mentioned in the 2.2.20 documentation, strange indeed, as i dont have 2.4.24 here at the moment (the server is down,) i cant look in that |
| 16:57.51 | tof__ | ercin: thanks too, but I don't have mc ;-( |
| 16:57.52 | abrotman | but i need the plugins not in debian right? |
| 16:58.03 | encrypt | asg but when dpkg calls rm, it calls *rm args*, not *rm rm args*.. busybox needs to now which program it will use |
| 16:58.08 | Justin_ | !tell abrotman about mplayer |
| 16:58.13 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 16:58.26 | asg | encrypt: it knows based on how it was called |
| 16:58.28 | simonrvn | tof__: man lesspipe |
| 16:58.35 | encrypt | wow.. alright.. |
| 16:58.46 | ercin | tof__, im a happy guy who have it every time in his pocket :)) |
| 16:58.49 | asg | encrypt: the first argument passed a program is the name by which it was called. BB is smart enough to use the right util based on that variable |
| 16:58.51 | nvz | |kosh: /j #flood |
| 16:59.03 | encrypt | great |
| 16:59.07 | abrotman | Justin_: thanks .. |
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| 16:59.12 | tfg | asg: That didn't tell me what apt-get package to install to install the headers |
| 16:59.19 | asg | encrypt: it is how things like exim provide rmail, etc. |
| 16:59.22 | |kosh | nvz, im there |
| 16:59.37 | tof__ | simonrvn: don't have that neither... I work on a proxy with the more little number of packages possible... |
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| 16:59.51 | simonrvn | tof__: lesspipe comes with less |
| 16:59.58 | asg | tfg: well, it should be libc6-dev |
| 17:00.05 | tfg | thanks, I'll try it |
| 17:00.34 | tof__ | simonrvn: hmmm I don't have less... Why the package with zless doesn't depends from the one with less??? |
| 17:00.45 | PiWiJe | sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/utmp -x "var/lib/gdm/:0.xservers" -h "" -l :0 user XM-kde2 |
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| 17:00.57 | |kosh | nvz, ah, i see, no strange '@'s |
| 17:01.01 | tfg | yep, thanks |
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| 17:01.04 | zOrK | how to change a account name ? |
| 17:01.08 | asg | np |
| 17:01.11 | lnx2 | dist-upgrade from woody to sarge but gnome has broken anyone else had this problem and perhaps a solution. |
| 17:01.11 | PiWiJe | what must i do to have kde |
| 17:01.54 | lnx2 | tried to install kde but that wont let me. |
| 17:01.57 | |kosh | nvz, stranger it is that some pepole claim to use the syntax i showed for fixing the problem, oh well |
| 17:01.57 | asg | zOrK: man usermod |
| 17:02.06 | zOrK | okz.. |
| 17:02.11 | encrypt | weird, i reinstalled binutils with apt-get install --reinstall binutils and ls still broken |
| 17:02.13 | simonrvn | tof__: it does. dpkg -L less |
| 17:02.15 | nvz | |kosh: yeah the syntax is valid according to that file |
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| 17:02.27 | asg | zOrK: read it carefully (some other manual things will be required) |
| 17:02.28 | malus | quick question about mplayer if someone can help, i want to save the contents of a streamed file to my hd, what can i do? |
| 17:02.41 | zu22 | lnx2: how is gnome broken? |
| 17:03.05 | nvz | |kosh: append="mem=exactmap mem=640K@0 mem=130M@1M" for example I seen on google, and that matches up with what that file says |
| 17:03.13 | asg | encrypt: ls is not in binutils |
| 17:03.15 | tof__ | simonrvn: strange, because I had zless installed, and not less... |
| 17:03.17 | asg | encrypt: oh wait |
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| 17:03.44 | asg | encrypt: it is in fileutils (woody) |
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| 17:03.47 | encrypt | omg sorry |
| 17:03.52 | |kosh | nvz, sorry, i am tired.. yes, it indeed does, from 1M to 130M.. :/ |
| 17:03.56 | tof__ | simonrvn: ho that's an other problem : I have the zless executable but not the zless package! |
| 17:04.00 | encrypt | thank you |
| 17:04.03 | asg | encrypt: np |
| 17:04.05 | lnx2 | when login from gdm/xdm just get Gnome 2.4 picture on X background and thats it. Mouse works but pressing buttons get no menus. |
| 17:04.16 | |kosh | nvz, for some reason, not here though |
| 17:04.18 | nvz | |kosh: seems to me that if the lower 640k isnt mapped that would cause a kernel to hang |
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| 17:04.37 | simonrvn | tof__: dpkg -L less |
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| 17:04.43 | hasker | how do i get php4 to work with apache when i have apt-getted it? |
| 17:04.53 | asg | hasker: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache/* |
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| 17:04.56 | asg | s/apache/php4/ |
| 17:04.59 | guigouz | hasker: vi /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 17:05.02 | |kosh | nvz, guess you are refering to mem=640K@0, which i also added |
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| 17:05.06 | ShaolinTiger | it just works TM if you apt-get install php4 after installing apache |
| 17:05.14 | asg | ShaolinTiger: not in woody |
| 17:05.15 | guigouz | hasker: uncomment the line that loads the php4 module |
| 17:05.18 | zu22 | lnx2: i als having problems in sid aftering upgrading to gnome 2.4 |
| 17:05.22 | hasker | guigouz, have done that |
| 17:05.26 | guigouz | hasker: and the AddType for php4 content. |
| 17:05.41 | ShaolinTiger | asg: it does for me |
| 17:06.13 | nvz | |kosh: have you tried any other kernels? I mean without knowing either more about this issue, or finding more detailed documents, all we could do is trial and error, and when I am totally clueless, I always try a different version.. heh |
| 17:06.14 | guigouz | hasker: done that ? |
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| 17:06.28 | tof__ | simonrvn: OK, got it. less provides lesspipe. But zless is in 'gzip' pkg, wich doesn't depends of less pkg... Weird. |
| 17:06.36 | asg | ShaolinTiger: hmmm, never has for me :) |
| 17:06.39 | hasker | guigouz, going to do it now |
| 17:06.50 | guigouz | hasker: search httpd.conf for "php"... check /var/log/apache/error.log and see if it mentions "php4" when it loads. |
| 17:06.51 | simonrvn | tof__: oh yeh. sorry. i forgot :). /me tired :) |
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| 17:06.55 | ShaolinTiger | asg: on installation it asks if you want to modify httpd.conf and adds the relevant lines (LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 17:06.57 | ShaolinTiger | etc |
| 17:06.57 | asg | ShaolinTiger: Sometimes (pretty much always, actually), Apache isn't configured out of the |
| 17:06.59 | lnx2 | zu22: Isn't gnome 2.4 in sarge now? I thought I had upgraded to sarge not sid. |
| 17:07.03 | nvz | |kosh: are you sure there arent any other differences between when it worked and when it didnt, different distro? different version of lilo? |
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| 17:07.21 | asg | ShaolinTiger: from the README.Debian.gz (which always applies to me apparently :) |
| 17:07.24 | encrypt | omg, how can busybox be infected also.. busybox 25861 root 5u IPv4 1097306 UDP *:3049 |
| 17:07.31 | |kosh | nvz, sorry, only 2.4.24 and 2.2.20, guess you are correct, i'll should take a walk trough the kernel-forrest :) |
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| 17:07.57 | |kosh | nvz, same distro, same box, same lilo |
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| 17:08.02 | ShaolinTiger | asg: heh well maybe i just been lucky then but its always worked for me if i do it in the right order |
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| 17:08.19 | T`sar | Ok, I know that this has probably been answered somewhere before, so if anyone could please pass me a link to info... "woody"'s installer won't regognize my graphics card (Radeon 9200), everything else seems to be fine, but for obvious reasons I'm not able to run X... any help appreciated... |
| 17:08.19 | asg | ShaolinTiger: install apache first then php4 after? (i usually install together) |
| 17:08.26 | nvz | |kosh: either try like 2.6 just to see if its a flaw in 2.4 kernels, or read some changelogs or something.. or try and get some real info not just rumors of how people corrected similar issues |
| 17:08.28 | arkaoss | any one here know if their gonna go to linuxworld in toronto? |
| 17:08.35 | |kosh | nvz, i can boot the box now with 2.2.20 if i wont, but then i will miss out ext3 support |
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| 17:08.41 | sgeigerbot | ~+xandros |
| 17:08.43 | | hmm... xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 17:08.43 | simonrvn | T`sar: need newer xfree |
| 17:08.47 | simonrvn | @tell root_ about root |
| 17:08.48 | asg | arkaoss: would love to; probably cannot get away from work (or get the cheap bastards to pay for it.) |
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| 17:08.49 | zu22 | lnx2: mebbe, i have sid not sarge |
| 17:08.52 | hasker | working now guigouz tanks.. |
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| 17:08.59 | sgeigerbot | root!? ugh... |
| 17:09.03 | chris`work | Xandros runs as root too? Ew |
| 17:09.07 | chris`work | I thought only lindows did that |
| 17:09.16 | hasker | guigouz, /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache |
| 17:09.25 | hasker | but i want libgd to work too |
| 17:09.25 | hasker | :P |
| 17:09.55 | asg | simonrvn: are the bots no longer auto notifying root? |
| 17:10.05 | T`sar | simonrvn: yupp... going fine everything else, but my only dvd-player is on that machine... should get X to run to watch few dvdv's? |
| 17:10.09 | simonrvn | linuxworld in t.o.? holy fuck |
| 17:10.21 | simonrvn | asg: some are |
| 17:10.27 | arkaoss | asg my boss offered a chance.. but they said the same last year.. but he's goin to novell's brianshare |
| 17:10.29 | Camel69 | do programs i've downloaded and installed with apt-get automatically have large_filesystem_support (ext2)? |
| 17:10.29 | |kosh | nvz, shure, perhaps i should try 2.6, but if it do work, that wont get me anywhere, because this is production equipment |
| 17:10.31 | ShaolinTiger | asg: yeh apache first, then make sure it works, then mysql, then php4 then php4-mysql |
| 17:10.35 | asg | simonrvn: if work would let me go, I think I'd just emigrate :) |
| 17:10.42 | simonrvn | asg: hehe |
| 17:10.45 | asg | ShaolinTiger: ah |
| 17:10.48 | |kosh | nvz, if it was for home use, i would be happy to |
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| 17:11.09 | asg | arkaoss: They briefly toyed with the idea of Perl Whirl but quickly backed down when they found out it was on a cruise ship |
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| 17:11.39 | nvz | |kosh: yeah.. well narrowing down the issue never hurts.. and besides working is better than not working.. I have been runing 2.6 since 2.6.0-test5 and I have not had one single problem.. but as you say, home and business use are different |
| 17:11.51 | |kosh | nvz, i'll try a wider range of 2.4.x kernels, because, for all i know, these are the first with ext3 support |
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| 17:12.34 | flit | How do i kill defunct zombie processes? |
| 17:12.48 | simonrvn | kill the parent, or ignore them |
| 17:12.49 | arkaoss | kill #### |
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| 17:13.06 | flit | arkaoss the pid number keeps changing |
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| 17:13.24 | |kosh | nvz, and not only is it production, it will be the main backupserver for database and system backups, on a remote site, miles away for my department. |
| 17:13.50 | |kosh | so, i need to be able to really rely on it working 27/7 |
| 17:14.02 | arkaoss | flit I was just tryin.. |
| 17:14.17 | arkaoss | actually i'm pretty newb |
| 17:14.22 | thomas_adam | flit: just disown it |
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| 17:15.24 | arkaoss | sunlight usually kills zombies too.. i think |
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| 17:15.41 | zapw | why do you waste time talking nonesense |
| 17:15.54 | matt__ | yes, must be more effecient |
| 17:15.56 | yuran | i have a problem with image-kernel-2.6.0-1-686, actually with its initrd. it's cant load it, coz it's to big - 4200k which is biggre than 4096k |
| 17:16.05 | simonrvn | including spelling |
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| 17:16.15 | yuran | what should i do? |
| 17:16.26 | matt__ | fun does not exist. must be more productive |
| 17:16.37 | simonrvn | Fun(TM) |
| 17:16.39 | asg | yuran: ramdisk_size=5120 (appended to the kernel) |
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| 17:16.44 | asg | yuran: and read the fucking bts next time |
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| 17:16.53 | arkaoss | If we where all perfectly efficient, remember we'd live off intravenous, and procreate in the same manner. |
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| 17:16.58 | simonrvn | @tell z2rK about root |
| 17:17.22 | hasker | hello, is anyone in here using libgd2 with apache ? |
| 17:17.25 | Zap-W | logging as root is just like IRCing with win98 |
| 17:17.26 | simonrvn | what if you're just an amateur at creating? :P |
| 17:17.27 | bhearsum | does anyone have the xfs install cd kernel headers? i just tried to get them from the official source but they're zipped and need a password. i haven't been able to find it on the page |
| 17:17.29 | encrypt | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y |
| 17:17.30 | encrypt | halted |
| 17:17.32 | nvz | |kosh: I hate to be an ass.. but if this is so important why didnt you follow the golden rule of deploying linux solutions? |
| 17:17.34 | yuran | asg, thanks |
| 17:17.51 | asg | Xenguy: the number of times I've cursed on this channel is enumerable on one hand |
| 17:17.57 | asg | Xenguy: sgeigerbot can verify I'm sure |
| 17:17.58 | Mag007 | is 2.6 is unstable now? |
| 17:18.13 | simonrvn | asg: i can attest to that too |
| 17:18.17 | Xenguy | asg: heh, well it can be an artform, true =) |
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| 17:18.27 | z2rK | when i start mi account, show me that : bash : /etc/profile : Permission denied |
| 17:18.27 | asg | Xenguy: :) |
| 17:18.29 | z2rK | what can i do ? |
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| 17:18.38 | simonrvn | so can my logs ;) |
| 17:18.46 | asg | hehe |
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| 17:19.03 | Wulfie | hey I just installed several versions of linux and had grub going via RH9 on a /boot partition (/dev/hda15) and all was working fine. I then installed debian but choose to skip its install of the boot loader. Now when I start I get - Error finding operating system. I can boot with a grub boot disk but thats annoying. I have tried reinsttalling grub from RH9 using grub-install which says it works but I sitll get the error. |
| 17:19.06 | simonrvn | including the one in my head *knock on wood* |
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| 17:20.47 | Camel69 | do programs i've downloaded and installed with apt-get automatically have large_filesystem_support (ext2)? |
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| 17:21.01 | Xenguy | z2rK: do -> ls -l /etc/profile <- to get the files permissions |
| 17:21.02 | |kosh | nvz, sorry, golden rule you say, which is? |
| 17:21.17 | nvz | |kosh: buying hardware that is compatible |
| 17:21.21 | simonrvn | do you fucking homework :) |
| 17:21.25 | simonrvn | your* |
| 17:21.32 | nvz | yeah |
| 17:21.34 | nvz | that too |
| 17:21.36 | z2rK | -rw------- 1 1000 credativ 1540 Jun 24 2002 /etc/profile |
| 17:21.39 | z2rK | show me that .. |
| 17:21.40 | z2rK | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.43 | |kosh | nvz, oh, you know the answer indeed (managers / the boss) :) |
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| 17:21.55 | nvz | |kosh: then he needs to hire kernel hacker |
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| 17:22.18 | |kosh | nvz, "use equipment we have" "why do you need such a server" "we cant affort this" ect ect |
| 17:22.28 | nvz | heh |
| 17:22.31 | sgeigerbot | asg: I believe you have cursed this channel. But I know mwilson, he was my friend, and you are no mwilson. |
| 17:22.57 | asg | sgeigerbot: cursed in channel yes, cursed at people in channel (not very often) |
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| 17:23.19 | nvz | you'd probably be better off with this Intel PIIX4 I got here I bought for $5.. at least I opened it up and checked it for compatibility before I bought it |
| 17:23.21 | sgeigerbot | ~pig asg |
| 17:23.26 | | '' |
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| 17:23.26 | Xenguy | z2rK: that looks quite odd - I'd do (as root) -> chown root:<YourUserID> /etc/profile && chmod 664 /etc/profile |
| 17:23.32 | sgeigerbot | doh |
| 17:23.37 | asg | sgeigerbot: funny, I just at a roast beef sandwich |
| 17:23.46 | asg | s/at/ate/ |
| 17:23.51 | Xenguy | z2rK: no quotes, natch |
| 17:23.56 | nvz | |kosh: if you dont choose hardware wisely, you have to make up for it in hacking. so one way or the other you have to pay |
| 17:24.01 | sgeigerbot | ~tell asg about farm animals |
| 17:24.09 | z2rK | Xenguy : where i can see my user id ? |
| 17:24.23 | Xenguy | z2rK: do -> whoami |
| 17:24.31 | nvz | |kosh: when it comes to linux it doesnt have to be the top of the line stuff, just has to be well supported |
| 17:24.41 | z2rK | okz.. |
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| 17:24.55 | Noid_ | how can you wipe out the apt cache info to redownload it? |
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| 17:25.02 | arkaoss | linux =/ wellsupported |
| 17:25.04 | asg | Noid_: apt-get update |
| 17:25.08 | sgeigerbot | Noid_: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 17:25.11 | sgeigerbot | Noid_: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 17:25.17 | Xenguy | Noid_: apt-cache clean |
| 17:25.21 | travis | i'm writing a post/preinst script, is there a utility script one uses to add/edit entries to the inittab file? |
| 17:25.21 | Xenguy | Noid_: is one way |
| 17:25.24 | |kosh | nvz, i agree. but whats more, the pl2500 is a wonderful box, i have used in on numerous linux/fbsd installations, never a word from it (but the easly fixed memproblem) |
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| 17:26.00 | |kosh | nvz, you might be supprised then, pl2500 is nothing but a dual-200 with raid |
| 17:26.26 | |kosh | but its damn stabile, and it works.. that is, you know.. memory.. gah |
| 17:26.30 | nvz | |kosh: only thing that surprises me is that you didnt study it first |
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| 17:26.45 | Noid_ | erhm... my problem is that i have a version of ksysguardd installed which seems to require libsensors1debian1 but i can't find that one anywhere... and i'm tired of dselect showing it everytime |
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| 17:27.37 | simonrvn | lates. my brain is shutting down |
| 17:27.40 | |kosh | well, i guess i was silly and expected it to work as alwasy (the evil of assumptions) |
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| 17:27.51 | nvz | |kosh: I spent 8mo trying to hack togther a kernel to run my laptop that my parents bought me.. then I gave up and got rid of it.. I had made the mistake of letting them know I planned on buying a laptop.. what I was going for however was not a Compaq.. |
| 17:28.01 | coolnewbie | does icecast2 support mp3 |
| 17:28.15 | bino | coolnewbie: yes |
| 17:28.24 | coolnewbie | thanks |
| 17:28.25 | |kosh | nvz, also, i did not have to by the box, we have stacks of them here, annother reason i would be killed if i bought one |
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| 17:28.40 | bino | coolnewbie: need to use a different encoder to ices2 tho |
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| 17:28.42 | Noid_ | i assumed libsensors1debian1 didn't exist or was deprecated, but i've already tried doing all those things to no avail... |
| 17:28.50 | coolnewbie | why |
| 17:28.58 | nvz | |kosh: its not even about buying, but knowing what you are dealing with before you deploy.. like simonrvn said, doing your homework |
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| 17:29.10 | bino | coolnewbie: coz it doesnt support mp3 |
| 17:29.27 | nvz | |kosh: if you want to fix it, you either got to try things, or get some real factual info that you can work off of |
| 17:29.32 | coolnewbie | bino:ok |
| 17:29.40 | hasker | what do i have to do to get mime to work with apache? |
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| 17:29.49 | bino | try www.icecast.org and #icecast |
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| 17:30.16 | |kosh | nvz, again i agree, but i know the pl2500. as i said, i have allready deployed stacks of them, so i assubed (stupid) it also worked with 2.4 |
| 17:30.44 | buckwad | hasker: It should "work" by default, for most file types. More specific? |
| 17:31.17 | nvz | |kosh: Kernel.org has changelogs, your two kernels have config files, all the information is in your hands, you are going to have to make up now for your lack of studying or just spend alot of time doing trial-and-err |
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| 17:32.31 | nvz | |kosh: perhaps try something like knoppix.. see if it sheds any new light on the subject.. I like using knoppix for troubbleshooting |
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| 17:33.11 | Xenguy | |kosh: yeah, a knoppix CD is great for hardware detection |
| 17:33.35 | |kosh | nvz, i would love to, but there is no time, this is high pri, i think i need to downgrade to ext2. (but yes, i will look into the case, because it is indeed interessting) |
| 17:33.50 | nvz | SlackLive cd is nice for a small rescue disk.. but I already got my netinstall mini cd, which is better because it boots faster |
| 17:33.51 | |kosh | i got enough pl2500's to take of |
| 17:34.18 | gothtec | total wootage! |
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| 17:34.32 | nvz | |kosh: well you screwed yourself, I suggest you make a netinst rescue cd, a knoppix cd, and other tools and learn to use them |
| 17:35.37 | nvz | |kosh: you dont do enough reading or understanding to be deploying linux solutions. Windows Server 2003 seems to work right out of the box from what I hear |
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| 17:37.10 | nvz | knoppix as an OS to me is a joke, but as a Linux Preview, or a tool in troubbleshooting, its a godsent.. I have used it for example on propriatary windows systems to d/l drivers to the HD that to get the network setup.. etc |
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| 17:37.30 | SteamedPenguin | how can I make my system use libc6-i686 instead of libc6 ? |
| 17:37.33 | |kosh | nvs, not heard of netinst, but i know knoppix, yes. why should i ever use win2003? when talking about reading befor deploy, even i know that is no good on a pl2500.. as i stated dual 200/160.. |
| 17:37.54 | unixfool` | do you guys think a P-166 is capable of being on mp3 player / NFS client? |
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| 17:38.12 | |kosh | also, what good will a win2003 box do that linux can not? and why in the should i trust crap like that? |
| 17:38.21 | gordonjcp | unixfool`: yes, more than enough |
| 17:38.22 | sussudio | unixfool`: without x? |
| 17:38.27 | neil__ | I'm trying to install a USB modem driver and I get during the installation: /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/usb/host/uhci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 17:38.32 | neil__ | Anyone know what that means? |
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| 17:38.44 | unixfool` | well, i guess it needs the X libraries to play xmms, but i could do that remotely, so no |
| 17:38.50 | nvz | |kosh: the point is when you deploy linux you need to be ready for anything.. and that takes a great deal of understanding of what could happen |
| 17:39.12 | gordonjcp | neil__: either uhci is already loaded or compiled into the kernel, or there isn't a uhci chipset |
| 17:39.17 | sussudio | neil__: you don't have an uhci usb host controller |
| 17:39.20 | |kosh | i use the system i find is the correct tool for the job, that is linux in some cases, fbsd in other, and open at others.. rarely win, very rarely |
| 17:39.32 | |kosh | nvz, well, i agree |
| 17:39.34 | nvz | |kosh: for all you know SCO could be filing a lawsuit against you right now.. are you ready for it? |
| 17:39.39 | neil__ | What does that mean though? |
| 17:39.39 | cyph | question... is update-grub supposed to take an insane amount of time to do its' thing? it seems like it detects the first kernel for me, then it just sits there doing nothing besides abusing my cpu |
| 17:39.56 | gordonjcp | nvz: I'm ready from a lawsuit from SCO |
| 17:40.10 | gordonjcp | I will wipe my arse with it and send it back to them |
| 17:40.11 | nvz | gordonjcp: yeah I'd love to laugh at them in court |
| 17:40.23 | |kosh | but, i also belive, that, by no means can someone ever predict, see or even calculate themselfe to what 'might happend' |
| 17:40.25 | zu22 | gordonjcp: i would just redirect them to esr's page on SCO heh |
| 17:40.33 | gordonjcp | zu22: yeah |
| 17:40.34 | neil__ | sussudio: What is UHCI? |
| 17:40.40 | mentor | ~uhci |
| 17:40.43 | | uhci is, like, Universal Host Controller Interface |
| 17:40.43 | g4lt | gordonjcp so am I: I have a real AT&T SVR3.2 license to thro at them (preferably attached to a heavy object) |
| 17:40.50 | gordonjcp | g4lt: hehehe nice |
| 17:40.51 | travis | i'm writing a post/preinst script, is there a utility script one uses to add/edit entries to the inittab file? |
| 17:40.54 | mentor | !uhci |
| 17:40.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uhci is Universal Host Controller Interface |
| 17:41.05 | nvz | |kosh: yeah really its like network security, the key is to set a policy, enforce and audit it.. but it can never be secure, you just have to keep at it. |
| 17:41.05 | |kosh | no one know everyting, as no one can see all possible potentional result of an act |
| 17:41.35 | |kosh | very correct |
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| 17:41.48 | mentor | ~ehci is Extended Host Controller Interface for USB hardware controllers, see <usb hci>. |
| 17:41.50 | | mentor: okay |
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| 17:41.54 | mentor | ~ohci is Open Host Controller Interface for USB hardware controllers, see <usb hci>. |
| 17:41.56 | | okay, mentor |
| 17:42.03 | mentor | ~no uhci is Universal Host Controller Interface for USB hardware controllers, see <usb hci>. |
| 17:42.05 | | mentor: okay |
| 17:42.05 | neil__ | How do I tell which one I have? |
| 17:42.22 | greycat | neil__: trial and error? :) (try uhci first) |
| 17:42.50 | neil__ | greycat: How? |
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| 17:42.54 | greycat | mentor: ehci is a.k.a. USB 2.0, right? |
| 17:43.00 | greycat | neil__: modprobe uhci |
| 17:43.01 | themusicgod1 | I'm trying to boot, and e2fsck claims my superblock has a bad magic number. how do i (e2)fsck this drive? |
| 17:43.07 | hasker | Can't locate API module structure `php4' in file /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so: /usr/sbin/apache: undefined symbol: php4 |
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| 17:43.27 | hasker | what should it say in /etc/apache/modules.conf php4 or php or anything else? |
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| 17:43.41 | mentor | ~usb hci is an interface specification that defines how your processor talks to the device which controls the USB Bus. |
| 17:43.44 | | mentor: okay |
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| 17:44.00 | neil__ | greycat: I get a similar error |
| 17:44.01 | mentor | greycat: Or USB Hi-Speed depending on whether you talk to marketing or not :) |
| 17:44.02 | |kosh | nvz, i guess you then see that, from my point of view, this single case do not point out me as a person not able to deploy *nix solutions, as much as it is the result, or proof if you want, that nothing is perfect, and nothing can ever be |
| 17:44.05 | zu22 | nvz: maybe someday insurance companies will give business a lower premium if they can demonstrat they are taking best security practicves and companies like microsoft must pay high insurance and face many lawsuits because they refuse to address known security flaws in their OSes. |
| 17:44.22 | greycat | apt, ehci is also a.k.a. USB 2.0 or "USB Hi-Speed" |
| 17:44.24 | | greycat: okay |
| 17:44.25 | neil__ | /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/usb/host/uhci.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/usb/host/uhci.o failed |
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| 17:44.36 | greycat | neil__: then try the other. |
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| 17:44.46 | neil__ | modprobe: Can't locate module ohci |
| 17:44.51 | neil__ | modprobe: Can't locate module ehci |
| 17:45.03 | greycat | well then whoever built your kernel needs to be slapped |
| 17:45.16 | mentor | neil__: Well, that's because they're not named like that. |
| 17:45.19 | neil__ | It's from Debian .debs! |
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| 17:45.30 | greycat | neil__: that's why I always build my *own* kernels. |
| 17:45.31 | roler | I am running gnome2+metacity and get this message: ** WARNING **: Root window clicks will not work as no GNOME-compliant window manager could be found! |
| 17:45.52 | neil__ | greycat: I think I need a little more Linux experience before I try that! |
| 17:45.56 | roler | how would I fix that ? I looked online but all the fixes are for other window managers besides metacity |
| 17:46.02 | neil__ | mentor: Is there a way to list the modules? |
| 17:46.16 | mentor | neil__: /lib/modules/foo |
| 17:46.22 | mentor | neil__: or use modconf |
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| 17:46.29 | neil__ | Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/modules.dep is that important? |
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| 17:46.39 | |kosh | zu22, that would be fun to see. actually, i read something interessting a few mnd ago. microsofts stock value today is propotional with the cost that has been put on the world because of bad/unstable solutions, and the damages that viruses roaming the ms platforms has cost the world. |
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| 17:46.54 | mentor | ~ehci |
| 17:46.56 | | extra, extra, read all about it, ehci is a.k.a. USB 2.0"USB Hi-Speed" |
| 17:47.02 | nvz | |kosh: agreed.. it does point out that for as important as you think this is you rather talk about it than continue to research it.. I was trying to help you understand the differece between gossip and documentation so you can locate some real help |
| 17:47.08 | mentor | hum |
| 17:47.44 | |kosh | nvz, is it bad of me to take a break now and then? |
| 17:48.07 | |kosh | i have allready been working 8hrs today, so i think i deserve a break |
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| 17:48.15 | nvz | zu22: I had read awhile back about Microsoft taking surveys of linux users, I would have liked to have filled one out.. I had so much to say |
| 17:48.21 | ugly | anyone know of a good client for serial connections? for connecting to cisco routers via serial etc. like in hyperterminal |
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| 17:48.24 | guigouz | i filled one |
| 17:48.30 | asg | ugly: minicom |
| 17:48.42 | greycat | ~literal ehci |
| 17:48.44 | | ehci is Extended Host Controller Interface for USB hardware controllers, see <usb hci>; Used for USB 2.0 ("USB Hi-Speed") host chipsets. |
| 17:48.52 | guigouz | <ms> what do you use as a server ? <me> novell <ms> what are your plans ? <me> migrate everything to linux. |
| 17:48.52 | nvz | |kosh: not at all.. relax.. try and focus if its that important to you |
| 17:48.53 | ugly | asg: ok thanks, I'll check it out |
| 17:49.01 | greycat | mentor: you already fixed it? |
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| 17:49.16 | asg | ugly: you're welcome |
| 17:49.23 | hramrach | Hello |
| 17:49.24 | |kosh | nvz, sure they was, (or maybe is?) i think i got the link, so you can say whatever you like.. if you want it? |
| 17:49.31 | mentor | greycat: I was doing it in private...spam count was getting too high :) |
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| 17:50.03 | hramrach | I have a debian with knoppix 2.4.21-xfs kernel and my usb mouse does not work. |
| 17:50.08 | mook | does anyone know of a working copy of the kernel howto? all the ones ive found are removed for review |
| 17:50.13 | asg | hramrach: ask in #knoppix then |
| 17:50.26 | mentor | Does apt have a 'teach' command? To teach other blootbots? |
| 17:50.27 | neil__ | OK, "modprobe usb-uhci" was the only one that worked out of uhci, ehci-usb and usb-ohci, so that's the one I wanna be using? |
| 17:50.35 | mentor | neil__: Pretty much. |
| 17:50.38 | |kosh | nvz, focusing aswell as relaxing is indeed propotionally important, do you not think? |
| 17:50.39 | hramrach | It works in knoppix, it does not work in Debian |
| 17:50.47 | themusicgod1 | on fscking the two ext2 partitions, the first one is just bad superblock, the second claims that there may be a partition of 0 size...is this significant? is there any way to use this to leverage things? |
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| 17:50.53 | nvz | |kosh: you lost me now.. but you just have to be interested in all phases of linux deployment including the excessive reading of documentation even when things are working properly, since you are the only one.. and you dont have a team of developers |
| 17:50.54 | mentor | ~tell hramrach about doesn't work |
| 17:50.59 | mentor | ~tell hramrach about usb mouse |
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| 17:51.16 | kandinski | I am at a friends computer where I can't mount the scsi cd recorder |
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| 17:51.25 | mikael | Can anyone tell me how I set the default PATH in debian unstable? |
| 17:51.26 | nvz | |kosh: we can help sometimes, but not always.. usually we will just waste your time.. heh |
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| 17:51.33 | kandinski | how do I find out what is the name of the dev? |
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| 17:51.53 | asg | kandinski: read the cd-writing howto at tldp.org |
| 17:52.00 | julien | exit |
| 17:52.16 | mentor | kandinski: That depends on how many SCSI buses you have and how many devicecs you have on those buses. |
| 17:52.26 | asg | mikael: for everyone on the system or just you? |
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| 17:52.39 | neil__ | mentor: Can I make that module load up upon startup? |
| 17:52.42 | mikael | asg: everyone |
| 17:52.51 | mentor | kandinski: 'sr' is the standard cdrom device name, and 'sg' is the standard 'geneeal scsi' name. |
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| 17:52.56 | mentor | neil__: /etc/modules |
| 17:53.00 | asg | mikael: /etc/profile (if you use bash) or /etc/environment |
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| 17:53.21 | hramrach | I have hid module loaded, /dev/input/mice can be opened but the cursor would not move. |
| 17:53.27 | Zap-W | [1;34m[5mtest[0m[0m |
| 17:53.37 | neil__ | mentor: Thanks |
| 17:53.42 | |kosh | nvz, well, i guess you are correct about that, if it was so well that drifting was the only thing i was doing.. then maybe i had more time. no, i dont feel that you are wasting my time, you learn someting of moust situations, if you just follow it. |
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| 17:53.46 | themusicgod1 | when i use fdisk , i can see all my partitions, and their sizes i think...except with "Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings(non-Linux?)/: phys..etc |
| 17:54.00 | hramrach | mentor: It takes some time to describe how it does not work :) |
| 17:55.29 | mook | can anyone point me to a howto for recompiling a vanilla kernel? Im finding alot of really dated stuff on google and the kernel howtos are down for review |
| 17:55.33 | mikael | asg: I don't have a /etc/environment, should I just create it? |
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| 17:55.41 | peterS | mikael: you can |
| 17:55.42 | asg | mikael: touch is your friend |
| 17:55.44 | |kosh | nvz, about documantation, well, i never said that it is boring, did i? documentation is theory, and theory is in many cases much more interessting than practice |
| 17:55.56 | asg | mikael: also read the comments in /etc/pam.d/login (re pam_env.so) |
| 17:56.04 | kandinski | mentor: it is crazy because the IDE cdrom reader is identified as a scsi device in some apps (K3B), but as /dev/cdrom in fstab, etc |
| 17:56.08 | zu22 | nvz: he ya me too |
| 17:56.12 | kandinski | so I just can't find the name |
| 17:56.39 | themusicgod1 | are there any other common superblocks (they suggest 8193)? |
| 17:56.41 | unixfool` | If i do ssh foobar "/bin/runme", runme segfaults but produces no core, its because ssh foobar "ulimit -c" is "0", I guess thats because ssh doesnt open a login shell and use my settings, how do i have it set core size to unlimited? |
| 17:56.47 | sussudio | kandinski: /dev/cdrom is a symlink. |
| 17:56.53 | kandinski | I have tried /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb, but to no avail |
| 17:57.32 | hramrach | I tried a Debian kernel but it would not mount my root :/ |
| 17:58.07 | unixfool` | kandinski: are you passing an options to the kernel, like hdc=scsi or anything? |
| 17:58.12 | zu22 | hramrach: there is no debian kernel |
| 17:58.35 | mikael | asg: hmm, the path in profile is correct but Windowmaker doesn't use that, do you know if wmaker uses /etc/environment? |
| 17:58.36 | sussudio | zu22: there are debianized kernels. |
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| 17:58.37 | hramrach | zu22: There are kernels extracted from Debian packages |
| 17:58.46 | nvz | |kosh: you got it, practice and theory together is what does makes things happen |
| 17:58.47 | kandinski | no, I am at a friend's computer an just booted a knoppix |
| 17:59.02 | kandinski | with no options or cheatcodes |
| 17:59.27 | g4lt | you have ceatcodes for a fucking OS?! |
| 17:59.40 | Guido | 'cheatcode' |
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| 17:59.53 | Theory | g4lt: cheatcodes are what knoppix calls its init parameters |
| 17:59.55 | unixfool` | kandinski: I think knoppix boots with all cdroms as scsi |
| 17:59.56 | zinx | OMG ROOT MODE |
| 18:00.01 | Guido | name misleading |
| 18:00.02 | Guido | hehe |
| 18:00.02 | themusicgod1 | is there any way to re-write a drives magic number? |
| 18:00.16 | unixfool` | kandinski: you should be able to just do mount /mnt/cdrom in knoppix though, ask in #knoppix |
| 18:00.16 | kandinski | Guido: yes, I think they do this for us noobs |
| 18:00.17 | g4lt | so what's the cheatcode for unlimited diskspace? |
| 18:00.22 | themusicgod1 | (without destroying all the datA?) |
| 18:00.25 | zu22 | sussudio: ya debianized |
| 18:00.31 | sussudio | g4lt: rm -rf / on a timer? |
| 18:00.32 | caphuso | g4lt: root=/dev/null |
| 18:00.32 | zinx | g4: while sleep 1; do rm -rf /*; done |
| 18:00.36 | zu22 | haha |
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| 18:00.48 | asg | mikael: sorry, I don't |
| 18:00.55 | kandinski | unixfool, thanks but /dev/cdrom is the IDE cdrom, the problem I have is with the scsi cdwriter |
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| 18:01.06 | hramrach | OK, I will try to compile more kernels :) |
| 18:01.09 | kandinski | just don't seem to be able to find it |
| 18:01.22 | zu22 | caphuso: whoa! dude a root prompt! we rule! ;) |
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| 18:01.36 | SteamedPenguin | zu22: this is #debian. kiddie central |
| 18:01.40 | nvz | zu22: smells like teen spirit, is what I always said |
| 18:01.44 | zu22 | steamedpenguin: :D |
| 18:01.49 | caphuso | zu22: huh? |
| 18:02.00 | Theory | script kiddies > * |
| 18:02.00 | unixfool` | kandinski: you should still be able to just mount /mnt/cdrom, because knoppix should autowrite the correct fstab, hence you should ask in #knoppix |
| 18:02.02 | themusicgod1 | is there an application to recover data from messed up ext2 partitions? |
| 18:02.07 | zu22 | caphuso: </sarcastic> |
| 18:02.23 | caphuso | themusicgod1: define "messed up" |
| 18:02.30 | Theory | so, anyone got an exploit for linux2.4.24? ;-p |
| 18:02.42 | zinx | Theory: init=/bin/sh |
| 18:02.52 | mikael | does anyone know how to change the PATH used by wterm and windowmaker? |
| 18:03.05 | zu22 | theory: uhh this is not #hack on efnet :P |
| 18:03.05 | zinx | mikael: erh, which path? |
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| 18:03.14 | mikael | ENV PATH |
| 18:03.24 | zinx | mikael: set it before starting them |
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| 18:03.36 | zinx | mikael: though i recommend turning on login shell for wterm |
| 18:03.40 | kandinski | unixfool`: thanks, but I am able to mount /dev/cdrom on /mnt/cdrom |
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| 18:04.04 | shaya | anyone know where one (in the US) can buy those giant stuffed Tux's? |
| 18:04.04 | kandinski | and now that the fstab wasn't automatically generated for me, I was hoping to find a way to do it manually |
| 18:04.04 | mikael | zinx: how do I do that? |
| 18:04.12 | shaya | i.e. the 3 foot/1 meter ones |
| 18:04.13 | zinx | mikael: ~/.xsession |
| 18:04.25 | nvz | shaya: check online like thinkgeek.com or something |
| 18:04.26 | zinx | mikael: and as for login shell, magic with ~/.Xresources |
| 18:04.31 | shaya | did |
| 18:04.34 | shaya | they dont have it |
| 18:04.42 | nvz | shaya: local LUG? |
| 18:04.58 | zu22 | shaya: just buy a barney one and pain it black and white :D |
| 18:05.02 | zinx | mikael: something like Xterm.*loginShell: True |
| 18:05.02 | dbn | google for large+stuffed+tux ? ;) |
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| 18:05.05 | zu22 | s/pain/paint |
| 18:05.22 | asuffield | shaya: I fed "buy giant stuffed tux" to google and got a sponsered advert for one |
| 18:05.43 | g4lt | isn't that the definition of most politicians: "large stuffed tux"? |
| 18:05.49 | asg | g4lt: heheh |
| 18:05.53 | asuffield | no. few politicians are large |
| 18:05.54 | greycat | I tried with "giant stuffed Tux penguin" and got similar results |
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| 18:06.08 | asg | asuffield: one with a Teddy Ruxpin voice box would be nice too |
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| 18:06.19 | g4lt | asuffield The Gropinator. 'nuff said |
| 18:06.24 | sussudio | Searched the web for giant stuffed penix. Results 1 - 6 of 6. Search took 0.16 seconds. |
| 18:06.34 | mook | would someone take a look at an error in #flood from compiling my kernel and tell me what it means? |
| 18:06.37 | mikael | zinx: So I just put a PATH in ~/.xsession? |
| 18:06.44 | zinx | mikael: yeah |
| 18:07.05 | shaya | you did? |
| 18:07.09 | shaya | asuffield: you did? |
| 18:07.16 | nvz | oh well I am going to prep for my mission here.. I'll be back eventually |
| 18:07.18 | mikael | zinx: ok thanks |
| 18:07.25 | themusicgod1 | caphuso : when i boot, it gives hdc: lost interrupt errors, claims there is a bad magic number in it's superblock(and can't find any backup superblocks),...and when fscking' the second partition of the drive(there are 2 partitions) i get a "0 length partition is this possible" sort of error |
| 18:07.38 | hramrach | mook: when compilation of my kernel causes errors I try a different version :) |
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| 18:08.05 | zinx | themusicgod1: you broke it :< |
| 18:08.12 | caphuso | themusicgod1: did something happen that could have caused that? |
| 18:08.30 | themusicgod1 | i'm not sure :/ |
| 18:08.32 | mook | hramrach any idea how many versions i can jump without causing problems? Im trying to go from 2.4.22 to 2.4.22 |
| 18:08.42 | themusicgod1 | it was working great until a recent reboot(recent as in this morning) |
| 18:08.47 | themusicgod1 | it's a fairly new drive |
| 18:08.49 | lazarus | mook: right |
| 18:08.57 | asuffield | mook: umm. those two numbers are the same |
| 18:09.06 | caphuso | mook: a version jump that small shouldn't be a problem... |
| 18:09.13 | zinx | themusicgod1: what was the reboot for? |
| 18:09.13 | mook | durr i meant 2.4.24 ;) |
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| 18:09.25 | caphuso | Zap-W: don't do that |
| 18:09.25 | zu22 | zap-w: stop |
| 18:09.31 | lazarus | mook: apply both diffs in order |
| 18:09.48 | Zap-W | lots of irssi users |
| 18:09.49 | themusicgod1 | zinx my other machine had a problem so i took the hard drives out to back them up in this machine,.. |
| 18:09.57 | lazarus | Zap-W: we don't care |
| 18:10.00 | themusicgod1 | and on the third hard drive suddenly my backup drive stopped functioning |
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| 18:10.02 | felix___ | how can i unformat an accidently formated ext2 data partition? |
| 18:10.06 | mook | hramrach where can i find the diffs and whats the order? |
| 18:10.07 | zinx | themusicgod1: did you put them in this machine? |
| 18:10.09 | g4lt | Zap-W like smurfing yourself? |
| 18:10.15 | lazarus | felix___: define "format" |
| 18:10.16 | sheyz | Can someone tell me how to port forward some ports to my box? |
| 18:10.16 | themusicgod1 | zinx : one at a time |
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| 18:10.25 | zinx | themusicgod1: have you removed them now? |
| 18:10.25 | felix___ | lazarus: mke2fs |
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| 18:10.36 | themusicgod1 | zinx: i still have one in, but i could remove it if you think it would help |
| 18:10.41 | caphuso | sheyz: no, because you didn't ask specific enough |
| 18:10.41 | lazarus | felix___: well, there you go, you made a filesystem on it |
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| 18:10.51 | zinx | themusicgod1: i think very much that it would help, if you haven't destroyed your drives with fsck |
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| 18:11.13 | sheyz | (caphuso) I am behind a debian router, I need to forward some ports so I can accept DCC Send's. |
| 18:11.25 | themusicgod1 | :/ |
| 18:11.31 | Rubin | unfortunately, dcc doesnt really use a standard port |
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| 18:11.42 | caphuso | sheyz: again, not specific enough. are we supposed to guess if you're using ipchains or iptables? |
| 18:11.43 | zinx | themusicgod1: well, it will help in any case, you just may have lost your data ;) |
| 18:11.45 | Zap-W | too bad irssi dosent support HEBREW |
| 18:11.54 | lazarus | Zap-W: we don't care |
| 18:12.10 | sheyz | (caphuso) Im not really sure, how would I find out? |
| 18:12.11 | asg | Zap-W: It does, just ones that speak English |
| 18:12.16 | zinx | Zap-W: why is it too bad? it'll give someone who gives a s*** something to do |
| 18:12.31 | zu22 | haha |
| 18:12.47 | zinx | ah, the wonders of open source software. |
| 18:12.49 | themusicgod1 | i would cry if my data is gone :/ |
| 18:12.52 | asuffield | where's the point in supporing hebrew? nobody in their right mind would use hebrew for communication |
| 18:12.54 | zinx | themusicgod1: :/ |
| 18:12.56 | hramrach | mook: I do not patch kernels :) |
| 18:13.00 | asg | asuffield: touche |
| 18:13.07 | asuffield | some languages were just *meant* to be dead |
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| 18:13.17 | Theory | asuffield: it's probs a good language for evading carnivore :-) |
| 18:13.21 | Zap-W | i dont like hebrew either |
| 18:13.21 | Zap-W | i hate it actually |
| 18:13.22 | zinx | themusicgod1: well, hint for next time. when you change something (like, oh, swapping a drive), change that back to the way it was _FIRST_, then try other things. |
| 18:13.23 | Rubin | sheyz: if its NAT, there is a special module you can enable in the kernel |
| 18:13.26 | hramrach | At least not to get a higher revision. |
| 18:13.27 | topdog | what's the best console app to repartition in debian ? |
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| 18:13.31 | themusicgod1 | zinx gotcha |
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| 18:13.38 | caphuso | sheyz: by checking your kernel version, for example |
| 18:13.40 | Zap-W | its vocabulary is very limited |
| 18:13.46 | lazarus | topdog: man fdisk |
| 18:13.48 | zu22 | is there hebrew ebonics? shalom meh homey |
| 18:13.55 | topdog | thanks |
| 18:13.57 | sheyz | (Rubin) conntrac_irc ? |
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| 18:13.59 | asuffield | I don't think anybody really likes hebrew. it's a bitch with hopelessly limited vocabulary and grammar that's almost untranslatable |
| 18:14.05 | mook | hramrach im kind of forced to, I need to patch mine to get IPSEC in the kernel |
| 18:14.05 | zu22 | themusicgod1: next time backup your disks |
| 18:14.05 | Rubin | sheyz: could be |
| 18:14.14 | Rubin | sheyz: i havnt done it since 2.0 kernels ;) |
| 18:14.14 | hramrach | But as long as the patch applies without fuzz you should be fine. |
| 18:14.17 | Zap-W | zu22 : ofcourse |
| 18:14.18 | topdog | fdisk works with DATA on the drives ? |
| 18:14.25 | themusicgod1 | woa ! partition 1 just came online |
| 18:14.25 | sheyz | (caphuso) Kernel 2.4.22-1-586tsc |
| 18:14.27 | lazarus | topdog: man fdisk |
| 18:14.29 | cl0ud | hm, cant mount my cdrw device but cdrecord can (uses Arson to control cdrecord) |
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| 18:14.35 | zinx | themusicgod1: :) |
| 18:14.43 | lazarus | topdog: it won't care, it will work |
| 18:14.49 | revengeslayer | hi! I have a KATHREIN SatAn system, and want to know which type of IR code the remote control uses... but i can't find out which code it is using,anyone can tell me more about it? i've written a program to send characters to the receiver of it, and want to know how to build up the command, but first need to know which ir code i need to use.. |
| 18:14.53 | caphuso | sheyz: that means iptables. read some of the docs and howtos on netfilter.org |
| 18:14.54 | zinx | themusicgod1: i'm thinking you won't be able to easily back up the drive you just removed ;) |
| 18:15.09 | cl0ud | how can i found my cdrom(cd-writer) in /dev/? its not /dev/cdrom |
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| 18:15.15 | themusicgod1 | thats fine |
| 18:15.21 | themusicgod1 | its only 400mb, this drive is 20gb. |
| 18:15.21 | zinx | themusicgod1: i've had a couple of drives do that as well.. they make the IDE bus go crazy :/ |
| 18:15.24 | mook | hramrach where do i find pacthes will they be on kernel.org? |
| 18:15.26 | caphuso | cl0ud: check /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:15.26 | themusicgod1 | i can figure something else with the little drive. |
| 18:15.27 | hramrach | mook: There should be some readme on patches on kernel.org iirc |
| 18:15.31 | themusicgod1 | i'm still down one partition though |
| 18:15.35 | cl0ud | caphuso: k |
| 18:15.40 | mook | hramrach thanks |
| 18:15.42 | lazarus | mook: where ele would they be? use a mirror |
| 18:16.24 | ts_ | my sound in gnome is configured to some dummy driver.. where do i change that (looked in gnome-control-center with no luck) |
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| 18:16.42 | cl0ud | caphuso: it says hdc which is OK, but if i try to mount it, it says wrong filesystem, iso9660 doesnt work either |
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| 18:16.56 | cl0ud | caphuso: have any clue which filesystem i should try? |
| 18:16.58 | caphuso | cl0ud: replace the audio CD in the drive with a data CD |
| 18:17.00 | quaqo | How can I check for what processor class has been compiled a kernel? |
| 18:17.20 | asg | quaqo: /boot/config-<kernel-version> if you have one |
| 18:17.23 | neil | How can I set up NAT on a ppp interface to share it with any machine on my LAN? |
| 18:17.42 | quaqo | asg: I mean generally, non for a deb pkg. |
| 18:17.51 | Gathond | neil: iptables and www.tldp.org (search for MASQUERADE howto) |
| 18:17.51 | asg | quaqo: generally, that might work too |
| 18:17.52 | Justin_ | cl0ud: file -s |
| 18:17.56 | quaqo | uname -m gives me the current machine or the machine for wich the kernel has benn built for? |
| 18:18.18 | quaqo | asg: I don't have the config. |
| 18:18.21 | hramrach | ts_: does something non-gnome produce sound (is the problem in gnome)? |
| 18:18.25 | topdog | What's the correct program to use to RESIZE a partition with an existing OS on it. |
| 18:18.30 | asg | quaqo: if its a new kernel, try /proc/config.gz |
| 18:18.33 | Gathond | quaqo: it gives the class of the current machine |
| 18:18.42 | quaqo | Gathond: So... No way? |
| 18:18.44 | cl0ud | caphuso: says "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 18:18.50 | Gathond | quaqo: check the .config file |
| 18:18.53 | quaqo | asg: I don't have it. |
| 18:19.02 | asg | quaqo: then ask the person that compiled it |
| 18:19.09 | quaqo | s/asg/Gathond |
| 18:19.15 | quaqo | asg: Okie. No way so. |
| 18:19.21 | caphuso | cl0ud: is iso9660 listed in /proc/filesystems? |
| 18:19.23 | asg | quaqo: not as far as I know, no |
| 18:19.24 | ts_ | hramrach, if i configure xmms to alsa it works... but other programs does not work... and my volumebottom in gnome dosent work |
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| 18:19.50 | tof__ | neil: see also ipmasq package that helps you with iptables... And dnsmasq package is cool too. |
| 18:19.56 | topdog | What's the correct program to use to RESIZE a partition with an existing OS on it. |
| 18:19.59 | hramrach | ts_: perhaps you need the asla oss emulation module(s)? |
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| 18:20.13 | ts_ | i have it |
| 18:20.28 | themusicgod1 | zinx: ok, i unmounted the working partition, and am fscking (or should i do something else, do you think?) the nonworking one. it is returning a new error, asking me if i want to fix the error. y/n? (should i fix the error?) |
| 18:20.29 | neil | tof__: thanks |
| 18:20.32 | echo | you know it's cool when k3b is buring a disk at 9x on an 8x cd-rw drive. |
| 18:20.37 | hramrach | does xmms work with oss? |
| 18:20.37 | echo | on a laptop |
| 18:20.43 | ts_ | no |
| 18:20.52 | zinx | themusicgod1: well, i'd probably back up the partition first if i had enough space |
| 18:20.54 | cl0ud | caphuso: permission denied (with root) ;p |
| 18:21.03 | caphuso | cl0ud: what the hell did you do? |
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| 18:21.19 | themusicgod1 | zinx the only place big enough to back up the partition is on this drive :/ that would require making a new partition right after the broken one. is this safe? |
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| 18:21.19 | neil | tof__: What's dnsmasq for? |
| 18:21.29 | Justin_ | caphuso: he typed /proc/partitions |
| 18:21.30 | zinx | caphuso: /proc probably has fubar permissions |
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| 18:21.33 | hramrach | ts_: and does it say it cannot open the device or just produces no sound? |
| 18:21.33 | zinx | oh |
| 18:21.37 | zinx | that'll do it too ;P |
| 18:21.45 | zinx | themusicgod1: :o |
| 18:21.50 | zinx | themusicgod1: yeah |
| 18:21.51 | ts_ | wait xmms works with oss |
| 18:21.52 | cl0ud | caphuso: lol, forgot to open it with an editor ;pp |
| 18:21.58 | zinx | themusicgod1: assuming you're not changing the sizes of any of them :) |
| 18:22.00 | caphuso | cl0ud: how about a simple cat? |
| 18:22.05 | themusicgod1 | zinx or is this time to say fsck it and go to radio shack and part with another 100$ |
| 18:22.11 | themusicgod1 | *that i don't have :/ |
| 18:22.11 | cl0ud | caphuso: iso9660 aint there ;s |
| 18:22.13 | ts_ | is was just configures to work with the dummy driver |
| 18:22.17 | caphuso | cl0ud: then load the isofs modules |
| 18:22.19 | tof__ | neil: that creates a cache for dns queries from your lan... (The second request is quicker because the client ask the resolving to your local proxy instead of a far dns server) |
| 18:22.26 | ts_ | when i changed it to emu10k1 it workes |
| 18:22.27 | themusicgod1 | zinx : really?? |
| 18:22.31 | zinx | themusicgod1: yeah |
| 18:23.19 | zinx | themusicgod1: the partition table is just a few bytes in the first sector on the drive |
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| 18:23.19 | ts_ | i just have do make emu10k1 standard instead to the dummy driver |
| 18:23.19 | zinx | themusicgod1: where the boot stuff is |
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| 18:23.19 | themusicgod1 | zinx: so, just for clarity, if i fdisk, and create a new partition, and back up stuff there, they will not screw up the stuff in the partition before it? |
| 18:23.19 | neil | tof__: Ahh ok, but ipmasq will handle DNS forwarding? |
| 18:23.19 | zinx | themusicgod1: right |
| 18:23.19 | mook | whats the downside of using patched kernels? |
| 18:23.19 | themusicgod1 | k i just may do this then. |
| 18:23.19 | hramrach | ts_: I currently do not have gnome working so I cannot try |
| 18:23.36 | caphuso | mook: depends on what patches you applied |
| 18:23.47 | SuD | anybody use biew? i made a patch to allow it to open block devices... still a bug when searching hex values... |
| 18:23.50 | ts_ | ok i'll trye #gnome |
| 18:24.21 | mook | caphuso how about a kernel patched with 2.0.40-rc6 |
| 18:24.21 | cl0ud | caphuso: loaded isofs but same error, must specify a filesystem |
| 18:24.22 | tof__ | neil: I think so. |
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| 18:24.39 | cl0ud | caphuso: checked if it was loaded and it was so.. |
| 18:24.58 | themusicgod1 | zinx: not that i'm trying to doubt you, but its' asking what the first cylinder should be (322-65531). now iirc i should be at at least 30000 by now, halfway through the cylindars...if i pick one too low won't this overwrite the partitions? |
| 18:25.07 | tof__ | neil: but I always have used a caching dns proxy. |
| 18:25.09 | zinx | themusicgod1: just use cfdisk |
| 18:25.14 | caphuso | !tell revengeslayer about away |
| 18:25.14 | lazarus | reefr: stop that |
| 18:25.22 | lazarus | revengeslayer: stop that |
| 18:25.30 | cl0ud | caphuso: mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom worked ;s |
| 18:25.36 | zinx | themusicgod1: it's a tad easier |
| 18:25.42 | caphuso | cl0ud: then fix your /etc/fstab |
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| 18:25.49 | neil | tof__: Is there a manual for that ipmasq package? |
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| 18:26.34 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 18:26.38 | knoppix | hola |
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| 18:27.04 | mook | that was quick |
| 18:27.23 | themusicgod1 | zinx i'm now certian that the first partition ends in the wrong place |
| 18:27.41 | themusicgod1 | and the second partition is way to small |
| 18:28.01 | zinx | themusicgod1: :o |
| 18:28.14 | zinx | themusicgod1: then fsck isn't going to have the desired result |
| 18:28.16 | tof__ | neil: hmm have a look at http://www.bbassett.net/ipmasq/. Pretty simple installation... I did nothing except checking that what was done is what I wanted, as far as I remember. |
| 18:28.27 | themusicgod1 | :/ |
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| 18:28.54 | neil | tof__: Oh it just works straight off... great. Thanks! |
| 18:29.16 | neil | tof__: Do you know much about security with that program? |
| 18:29.23 | themusicgod1 | zinx: where do i go from here? |
| 18:29.27 | tof__ | neil: thanks the maintener of this script :-)) Nice surf, time to diner here |
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| 18:29.34 | topdog | is there a way to apt-get qtparted ? |
| 18:29.36 | BaYi | hi |
| 18:29.41 | topdog | i have like 10 dependencies |
| 18:29.50 | zinx | themusicgod1: dunno :/ i think the first partition, at least, is fine though... it's very likely that it wouldn't have found the superblock on the second if it weren't |
| 18:29.50 | lazarus | lol |
| 18:30.07 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.08 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.10 | themusicgod1 | it hasn't found any superblock on the second :/ |
| 18:30.27 | zinx | themusicgod1: erh? then what was it asking you to fix? |
| 18:30.31 | themusicgod1 | the first partition looks like it's there(ie there IS a first partition) but it's about 4gb too short |
| 18:30.42 | themusicgod1 | good point |
| 18:30.44 | zinx | themusicgod1: fsck just exits immediately if it can't find a superblock |
| 18:30.58 | themusicgod1 | block 48039 inode 13 |
| 18:31.07 | themusicgod1 | (48309) |
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| 18:31.31 | themusicgod1 | (4gb being a good bit of my data) |
| 18:31.36 | zinx | :/ |
| 18:31.40 | zinx | well |
| 18:31.50 | zinx | make sure everything is there on partition 1 |
| 18:32.27 | themusicgod1 | it isn't |
| 18:32.31 | themusicgod1 | okay |
| 18:32.43 | themusicgod1 | according to the superblock that it found, i have the right amounts of blocks |
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| 18:32.50 | themusicgod1 | the physical amount of blocks is way to short |
| 18:32.53 | themusicgod1 | abort(y/n)? |
| 18:32.56 | zinx | :o |
| 18:33.10 | zinx | well, here's what you do... |
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| 18:33.21 | zinx | divine the proper sizes for the partitions |
| 18:33.29 | zinx | then go delete/recreate them with fdisk :) |
| 18:33.33 | Caine | Anyone here good with systemimager? :) |
| 18:33.36 | themusicgod1 | that's what i was thinking. |
| 18:33.44 | lazarus | man fdisk |
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| 18:33.51 | themusicgod1 | ooman |
| 18:33.59 | Caine | what the hell is "flavor" when using 'mkautoinstallcd' in systemimager? |
| 18:34.13 | lazarus | Caine: strawberry |
| 18:34.16 | Ahmeni | I'm at the Debian installer main menu and every time I got o "Install the base system", it just blinks then brings me right back to the menu. What up wit' dat'? |
| 18:34.32 | Caine | lazarus, nice |
| 18:34.33 | lazarus | Caine: have you read the man page? |
| 18:34.53 | Caine | lazarus, well, the man page for mkautoinstallcd just says that it's "The flavor of the boot package to use." |
| 18:34.56 | lazarus | Ahmeni: your question makes no sense |
| 18:34.58 | Caine | whatever the hell that means |
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| 18:35.01 | themusicgod1 | wait |
| 18:35.06 | themusicgod1 | it sees /dev/hdc1 as swap |
| 18:35.10 | themusicgod1 | (fdisk) |
| 18:35.12 | veleno | U |
| 18:35.14 | zinx | heh |
| 18:35.15 | themusicgod1 | yet it should be ext2 |
| 18:35.25 | themusicgod1 | is this relevant or should i continue with my divining? |
| 18:35.33 | zinx | themusicgod1: continue with divining |
| 18:35.34 | Ahmeni | lazarus, no.. it doesn't really make any sense. Is there a way to get something more coherent out of this menu? |
| 18:35.52 | zinx | themusicgod1: it probably somehow managed to grab a partition table from somewhere else, though i really don't know how something like that would happen |
| 18:35.57 | lazarus | Ahmeni: try installing the base system |
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| 18:36.34 | peppo | how do I remove the dhcp init stuff? I can't figure out what /etc/init.d/dhcp belongs to. |
| 18:36.45 | peppo | apt find /etc/init.d/dhcp |
| 18:36.57 | lazarus | peppo: man dpkg |
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| 18:37.39 | peppo | lazarus: nice |
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| 18:37.45 | themusicgod1 | zinx what do i do when i have an devined approximation? |
| 18:37.49 | themusicgod1 | :/*gupl* |
| 18:38.09 | zinx | themusicgod1: delete your partitions, enter the divined values, and pray :) |
| 18:38.17 | themusicgod1 | and then what |
| 18:38.35 | zinx | themusicgod1: if you prayed to the right gods, it should work ;) |
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| 18:38.43 | lazarus | themusicgod1: then reinstall |
| 18:38.44 | peppo | lazarus: that's odd. when removing "dhcp" (which init.d/dhcp belongs to according to dpkg), init.d/dhcp WAS NOT removed. |
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| 18:38.57 | zinx | themusicgod1: if you didn't, try again ;) |
| 18:39.02 | lazarus | peppo: did you dpkg --purge dhcp ? |
| 18:39.06 | themusicgod1 | :) |
| 18:39.15 | themusicgod1 | it appears that the first partition is more or less ok |
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| 18:39.23 | peppo | lazarus: why would I? I didn't touch the dhcp script |
| 18:39.25 | lazarus | peppo: man dpkg |
| 18:39.31 | peppo | lazarus: man me |
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| 18:39.49 | lazarus | peppo: are you saying you are refusing the read the man page that contains youor answser? |
| 18:40.02 | peppo | lazarus: irc contains my answer. not studying. FOOL |
| 18:40.08 | zinx | ... |
| 18:40.25 | paulswm | well, looks like i missed a fun conversation |
| 18:40.37 | lazarus | paulswm: another one cruising for a +b |
| 18:40.37 | tim__ | is kde broken in testing? |
| 18:40.49 | paulswm | lazarus: heh\ |
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| 18:41.27 | paulswm | tim__: i believe so, according to recent conversations on debian-user list |
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| 18:42.23 | lazarus | tim__: now that you tested it, did you file the apprpriate bug? |
| 18:42.23 | mateusz | Why silc-client still depends on glib1.2 ? |
| 18:43.11 | lazarus | mateusz: talk to the maintaier |
| 18:43.27 | tim__ | lazarus: before I file a bug report I try to make sure that it is a bug |
| 18:43.35 | J_P | people what is error : ? |
| 18:43.40 | J_P | -bash: relocation error: /lib/libncurses.so.5: undefined symbol: nspeed |
| 18:43.59 | lazarus | mateusz: i also suspect you're on the wrong network :P |
| 18:44.00 | paulswm | lazarus: you need a car like this to go visit the next pepp0: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/kern.jpg |
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| 18:44.25 | lazarus | tim__: by asking on irc? lol |
| 18:44.33 | mateusz | lazarus: not really |
| 18:44.48 | tim__ | lazarus: no |
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| 18:45.11 | __chris__ | hi :) |
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| 18:45.23 | paulswm | tim__: do you subscribe to the debian-user list? it's full of useful information like about kde and testing |
| 18:46.03 | __chris__ | what's the fastest way to put together a package from a package using autotools? I simply want to put the installed files into a package |
| 18:46.15 | __chris__ | I'm talking about a dpkg |
| 18:46.19 | tim__ | paulswm: thanks. |
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| 18:47.05 | paulswm | tim__: or, maybe better than subscribing directly, you can access it through gname.org and read and post as if it were a regualr newsgroup |
| 18:47.32 | themusicgod1 | ok i'm pretty sure i've guessed the first partition right |
| 18:47.42 | paulswm | tim__: you don't have to, of course, but it is a surprisingly useful source of knowledge |
| 18:47.47 | XpTerminator | hello |
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| 18:48.23 | tim__ | paulswm: ja, thanks. |
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| 18:48.41 | paulswm | tim__: my pleasure, hope it helps :) |
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| 18:50.16 | topdog | has anyone done a debian install in vmware on windows ? |
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| 18:51.22 | Rageous | What's the debian on ppc channel named? |
| 18:51.32 | themusicgod1 | i totally agree with you paulswm. |
| 18:51.43 | asg | paulswm: no, you're not |
| 18:51.48 | paulswm | themusicgod1: :) |
| 18:51.59 | paulswm | hi, asg, hope you are doing well :) |
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| 18:52.09 | asg | Rageous: #debianppc |
| 18:52.14 | asg | Ixion: #debianppc |
| 18:52.18 | Ixion | Thank you, asg. |
| 18:52.19 | asg | Ixion: np |
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| 18:52.53 | themusicgod1 | on the one hand, if this is the worst of it mabye the situation is salvagable |
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| 18:53.55 | asg | paulswm: doing good you? |
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| 18:54.06 | paulswm | themusicgod1: I missed your question if you were asking one, I am a whiz at partitons, I have destroyed and recovered so many :) |
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| 18:54.19 | BaYi | how can i reenable a debian partition from windows or with knoppix without my debian cd ? |
| 18:54.40 | paulswm | asg: great, except worked 26 of the last 33 hours on "real" work: building regrssion testing data, really sucks |
| 18:54.51 | trans_err | BaYi: reenable? |
| 18:54.51 | asg | paulswm: yes it does :) ouch |
| 18:54.55 | quaqo | re |
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| 18:55.08 | BaYi | i installed win2k3 twoo weeks ago and since then i cant boot debian |
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| 18:55.34 | trans_err | BaYi: reinstall lilo? |
| 18:55.38 | Ixion | What do you mean you can't boot into debian... does the bootmenu simply not show up? |
| 18:55.47 | BaYi | yepp |
| 18:55.52 | paulswm | asg: I gave up a mgr pos to go back to tech work which I love, now doing SunOS/Oracle/Perl/Java: code is great, data sucks :) |
| 18:55.55 | BaYi | how can i reinstall lil from win ? |
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| 18:56.07 | Ixion | Slap in your Debian install CD |
| 18:56.11 | asg | paulswm: true; still better than mgmt :p |
| 18:56.16 | Ixion | And do a rescue. |
| 18:56.17 | themusicgod1 | paulswm well, i got a new error message, claiming bad superblock on /dev/hdc2, or too many mounted filesystems(doubt it). it started with the hard drive giving hdc: lost interrupt errors and not responding to fsck at all (bad magic number at the superblock). |
| 18:56.23 | BaYi | i dont have my debian cd here |
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| 18:56.31 | BaYi | thats the problem |
| 18:56.37 | mdo_ | does anybody know if smbclient does cache resolved names somewhere for a while? |
| 18:56.37 | asg | paulswm: I'm fortunate in that I'm a manager but also get to do some coding too :) |
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| 18:56.49 | trans_err | BaYi: yup that is a problem |
| 18:56.50 | themusicgod1 | at the current moment, due to zinx's advice, i'm guessing sizes of partitions, and hoping that once i find the right one it will work |
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| 18:57.05 | themusicgod1 | the physical size was way smaller than the logical size(the logical size was right)... |
| 18:57.13 | paulswm | asg: yes took me a couple of years to decide, then I heard somone say that if you don't enjoy your work, you're not living your life, you're living someone else's, that decided me. Sorry, I'll shut up now :> |
| 18:57.31 | asg | paulswm: hehe, sounds like a good missive to me |
| 18:57.59 | paulswm | themusicgod1: just trying to get my head around your msgs... |
| 18:58.01 | themusicgod1 | zinx: this bad superblock sounds like i have the right partition size to me, if i do have the right partition sizes, and there is still an error in the filesystem, then what? and is there any way to know this? |
| 18:58.01 | topdog | Anyone here use VMWARE? Mine created a virtual machine with a SCSI drive but Debian don't find it on install. |
| 18:58.16 | themusicgod1 | paulswm i could try to rephrase, i've posted a lot :/ |
| 18:58.25 | trans_err | themusicgod1: are you sure you're poining to the right device? |
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| 18:59.04 | mook | has anyone set up a freeswan vpn on linux? Im not sure which kernels need to be patched with what patches to allow IPSEC to be built into the kernel |
| 18:59.07 | themusicgod1 | trans_err as in physical device, drive? |
| 18:59.08 | paulswm | themusicgod1: there's a tool which I've used to rescue partitons, it will crawl over the disk looking for what it thinks might be filesystem superblocks, I'll remember it in a minute... |
| 18:59.16 | themusicgod1 | oo |
| 18:59.24 | mook | s/on linux/in debian |
| 18:59.30 | caphuso | paulswm: gpart? |
| 18:59.37 | arkaoss | how do you make a linux box do a windows boot noise? or open a dos command line window? mmagick |
| 18:59.58 | paulswm | caphuso: yes, that's right, themusicgod1: gpart |
| 19:00.08 | themusicgod1 | is it available as a debian package? |
| 19:00.12 | caphuso | themusicgod1: sure |
| 19:00.20 | mook | arkaoss why would you want a dos command line window on a linux box? |
| 19:00.46 | themusicgod1 | k installing. |
| 19:00.47 | asg | arkaoss: try 'dosbox' |
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| 19:01.04 | paulswm | themusicgod1: I lost half my system once after repartitioning a disk with my backups on it, luckily I hadn't written as far up the disk as where the old backup partition was, and I was able to recure the whole partitioon with gpart |
| 19:01.16 | paulswm | s/recure/rescue/ |
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| 19:01.27 | tcS | hello everybody |
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| 19:01.40 | paulswm | themusicgod1: yes, apt-cache show gpart |
| 19:02.56 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: <apt> methinks testdisk is an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first. http://www.esiea.fr/pulic_html/Christophe.GRENIER/testdisk.html, or see also gpart |
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| 19:03.00 | paulswm | themusicgod1: you have to remember that it is making educated guesses, and, if you've done a lot of repartitioning, all sorts of old partitions might show up - but at least it will tell you if you've moved something or resized something without realizinbg it - don't know if this is much help to you though |
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| 19:03.07 | BaYi | thnx all |
| 19:03.08 | BaYi | bye |
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| 19:03.33 | intx | does debian/linux have support for linksys wifi cards? |
| 19:03.36 | intx | ~wifi |
| 19:03.38 | | well, wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com |
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| 19:03.54 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: thanks for the info, I am *always* in the market for partition rescue sifware, although I haven't broken anything in a few months (**touch wood***) |
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| 19:04.03 | paulswm | s/sif/soft/ |
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| 19:04.50 | arkaoss | any one hear work with citrix client on debian? i have it working on some boxes but not others |
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| 19:05.48 | paulswm | damn, my typing sucks |
| 19:06.01 | topdog | try telepathy |
| 19:06.11 | asg | paulswm: so does mine (I cut a large chunk out of my left middle finger a few days ago :) |
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| 19:06.29 | topdog | chunk ? |
| 19:06.33 | paulswm | asg: how on earth did you do that |
| 19:06.34 | themusicgod1 | paulswm its' a fairly new drive, i don't think it's had any more than 4 partitions on it until today, 2 of those tiny swap partitions at the end |
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| 19:06.43 | topdog | he was eating |
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| 19:06.48 | themusicgod1 | i think i've guessed the first one right on the money, it's the second one i'm not certian of :/ |
| 19:06.50 | paulswm | topdog: lol |
| 19:06.50 | motaba | does someone know how to solve nfslock problems in debian? |
| 19:07.04 | asg | paulswm: after watching cooking shows and not paying attention to their info regarding cutting things |
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| 19:07.21 | CereS | do i have to use make oldconfig from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 ? |
| 19:07.31 | paulswm | asg: heh, I cook a lot too, but I try not to use my own blood for gravy |
| 19:07.50 | asg | paulswm: yeah; I was a dumbass |
| 19:08.03 | themusicgod1 | paulswm :D gpart has found something that appears to be in the right place at the right size |
| 19:08.06 | themusicgod1 | paulswm now what |
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| 19:08.28 | ziral | hi |
| 19:08.40 | arkaoss | ziral : hi |
| 19:08.43 | ribnitz | hey |
| 19:08.52 | ziral | kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major -8 error=2 (in boot) |
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| 19:09.12 | ziral | does somebody know solve this ? |
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| 19:10.06 | paulswm | themusicgod1: IIRC you are going to have to use sfdisk to fix your partition table - this is all dangerous stuff though, I assume that the partition is useless as it is - hang on, going to look for some notes |
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| 19:11.14 | mook | could someone take a peek at a kernel compile error Im getting, Ive tried several different versions only to get the same error |
| 19:11.17 | themusicgod1 | k |
| 19:11.36 | paulswm | themusicgod1: can't find my notes, but there are prolly some pointers in the gpart man page aren't there? |
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| 19:12.18 | themusicgod1 | i'll checkk |
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| 19:12.35 | deejoe | I have two drives on a single controller |
| 19:12.41 | deejoe | and have ext3 errors (see #flood) |
| 19:12.42 | paulswm | themusicgod1: I'm installing gpart to check also |
| 19:12.49 | deejoe | How do I know which drive is causing the errors? |
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| 19:15.11 | Rza`` | installed openoffice.org from a package binary, rather than the official .bin i've used in the past, and now can't locate the executable |
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| 19:15.20 | Rza`` | soffice isn't in my path |
| 19:15.30 | Rza`` | any suggestions |
| 19:15.48 | trans_err | Rza``: find ? |
| 19:15.53 | brop | hey, i have a miniboard, hc11 based, that i am to communicate to via serial comm. what program should I be using to do this? i just want to view some ascii output from the serial line. |
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| 19:16.10 | deejoe | brop: minicom, maybe? |
| 19:16.36 | Rza`` | running a find from / now |
| 19:16.50 | brop | brop: i've tried that, doesn't seem to be working. any others? |
| 19:16.58 | paulswm | themusicgod1: looks like gpart can write partition table itself. Suggestion: before you do anything, run sfdisk -d /dev/hdc >hcd-ptable so you can get back to where you are if you guess wrong :) |
| 19:17.01 | themusicgod1 | -W appears to alledgedly do it |
| 19:17.03 | Rza`` | in the meantime, no one has installed openoffice from a tgz, rpm or deb before? |
| 19:17.04 | asg | Rza``: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin |
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| 19:17.17 | brop | er, dejoe: i've tried that, any others? |
| 19:17.18 | Rza`` | hehe |
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| 19:17.20 | deejoe | brop: That's all I've ever used. It might take some fiddling with. |
| 19:17.25 | Rza`` | using swaret to get my packages |
| 19:17.27 | themusicgod1 | mwah we found it at the same time |
| 19:17.46 | brop | deejoe: yeah, i think that's the problem, using minicom just isn't intuitive. |
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| 19:17.55 | brop | deejoe: i'll fiddle away. |
| 19:18.20 | deejoe | brop: try cat /dev/whatever-serial-device-name-you're-using |
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| 19:18.30 | deejoe | brop: you may get garbage, but that'll put you on the right track |
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| 19:18.42 | elf | hello. can i play mp3s with p1 166mmx, or is that way too slow to play them ? |
| 19:18.54 | deejoe | OK, anyone have any suggestions about my ext3 error? |
| 19:19.00 | GomoX | i want to set up a VPN over an httptunnel. I'm using tinc for it. How can i pass the packets from tinc to httptunnel? I was thinking of some NAT prerouting thingie but maybe there is an easier way? |
| 19:19.00 | sussudio | elf: it'll work |
| 19:19.02 | asg | elf: you should be able to as long as you aren't doing much else |
| 19:19.02 | brop | deejoe: i'll try that |
| 19:19.15 | elf | sussudio, asg thanks :) |
| 19:19.21 | brop | elf: use a simple player like mpg123 |
| 19:19.32 | trans_err | ugh so tired of work |
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| 19:19.44 | elf | brop ok, i will |
| 19:19.59 | paulswm | themusicgod1: sorry i can't find my notes, dammit - but you are already on the right track and I fugured it out myslef without too much trouble originally - it seems much scarier than it actually is :) |
| 19:20.24 | paulswm | themusicgod1: just remember to sacrifice the chicken before you start, heh heh |
| 19:20.33 | elf | bye :P im off to plugin in an old sound card and see what happens |
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| 19:20.46 | somiaj | in tuxracer from debian is there more than just the one event to play though, its the herring run canidian cup and I've finished it but cannot see or select any other events. |
| 19:20.49 | paulswm | scuse my crappy typing |
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| 19:21.15 | themusicgod1 | it worked! it worked! |
| 19:21.16 | themusicgod1 | ! |
| 19:21.17 | PingLH | is there a way to create a .txt file in console? |
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| 19:21.46 | themusicgod1 | paulswm if you are ever in regina i owe you a beer |
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| 19:21.51 | themusicgod1 | or three |
| 19:21.56 | paulswm | themusicgod1: cool, congratulations. That is a really neat thing to do, a very satisfying feeling |
| 19:22.08 | sussudio | themusicgod1: you can't say regina with a straight face |
| 19:22.14 | De_Mon | PingLH 'touch file.txt' ? |
| 19:22.31 | somiaj | PingLH: any console editors is able to do it, or echo "blah blah" > file.txt |
| 19:22.40 | themusicgod1 | more like a -do-i-really-want-to-continue-to-be-a-cs-major-even-though-this-is-going-to-happen-again-and-again-and-again |
| 19:22.49 | sandman | How to use apt to search for packages? |
| 19:22.51 | paulswm | themusicgod1: no problem, you have made my day :) |
| 19:22.52 | sandman | i.e.: In testing? |
| 19:23.07 | De_Mon | sandman apt-cache search <pachage> |
| 19:23.10 | deejoe | sandman: apt-cache search search-terms |
| 19:23.10 | PingLH | Ok thanks |
| 19:23.18 | Ahmeni | Are the kernel sources included on the Sarge installation cd? |
| 19:23.21 | sandman | nono |
| 19:23.28 | sandman | I mean apt, as in: The guy sitting in this channel |
| 19:23.31 | somiaj | !tell sandman about search |
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| 19:23.37 | UltraSub | someone who is using mrtg in combination with mrts and rrdtool here? |
| 19:23.38 | mook | how do i set a "display name" and the $DISPLAY environement variable? Im getting kernel errors due to these not being set |
| 19:23.41 | themusicgod1 | at least i hope it's right |
| 19:23.42 | deejoe | !tell deejoe about search |
| 19:23.48 | themusicgod1 | looks pretty damn close |
| 19:23.50 | paulswm | themusicgod1: regina is I assume in Canada. I'm in Florida, bit far for a beer :) |
| 19:23.57 | themusicgod1 | yea |
| 19:24.05 | themusicgod1 | oh well. |
| 19:24.10 | sussudio | UltraSub: no, i'm using stfu with ktnx in combination with rotflastc |
| 19:24.11 | asg | paulswm: beer in Regina is better though |
| 19:24.15 | paulswm | themusicgod1: roh-roh, close enough may not be good enough :) |
| 19:24.15 | themusicgod1 | you never know where your travels will take you |
| 19:24.30 | themusicgod1 | i'm a skeptic. i don't see any reason it hasn't worked, though |
| 19:24.31 | arkaoss | themusicgod1: near toronto? going to linux world in april? |
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| 19:24.50 | themusicgod1 | uhm....i'm about 30 hours away from toronto |
| 19:24.51 | paulswm | asg: got Boddington's in the frisge, beer's OK here, thanks to the zillion limeys who visit each year |
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| 19:25.07 | themusicgod1 | think fargo north dakota. |
| 19:25.08 | UltraSub | fu sussudio..... |
| 19:25.10 | UltraSub | :P |
| 19:25.13 | asg | paulswm: ah right, I forgot that we do tend to migrate to Florida like lemmings to cliffs |
| 19:25.32 | themusicgod1 | but yes. i'm pretty certian its working. |
| 19:25.32 | sussudio | UltraSub: limburglul |
| 19:25.38 | themusicgod1 | now i'm going to lie down for awhile and stop being so dizzy |
| 19:25.39 | UltraSub | muahahahaha |
| 19:25.40 | arkaoss | themusicgod1: icicle's for scenery? |
| 19:25.40 | UltraSub | :) |
| 19:25.44 | somiaj | ewwww, Flordia |
| 19:25.45 | peter___ | Argh! Help! :) I was just trying to compile the 2.4.24 kernel with gcc 3.3.2 and it segfaulted. What is the recommended compiler version for compiling 2.4.24? |
| 19:25.49 | themusicgod1 | arkaoss yes, actually |
| 19:25.59 | paulswm | themusicgod1: great, relax, have a beer |
| 19:26.11 | themusicgod1 | i think so |
| 19:26.22 | paulswm | asg: what's a gumby |
| 19:26.26 | somiaj | peter___: the recomended gcc is 2.95, though 3.3.2 should compile the kernel with out segfaulting...does it segfault in the same place each time? |
| 19:26.36 | peter___ | somiaj: lemme check |
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| 19:26.47 | UltraSub | well sussudio if u cant say sumfin normal then just stfu urselve.. |
| 19:26.58 | asg | paulswm: ooh arrr (Worzel Gummage northerner) |
| 19:27.07 | Ixion | What is a gumby!? Are you kidding me? |
| 19:27.10 | brop | anyone familiar with using minicom? |
| 19:27.28 | sussudio | catweazle would kick worzel's ass |
| 19:27.29 | paulswm | asg: OK, i got you, wow, that takes me back a bit |
| 19:27.41 | asg | paulswm: yeah, haven't thought about Worzel since the 80's :) |
| 19:27.51 | asg | paulswm: actually, I think it was Werzel but no matter |
| 19:28.04 | sgeigerbot | brop: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
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| 19:28.39 | asg | paulswm: hehe, Wurzel is the correct one (talk about vowel elision -- and it didn't even take me 1000 years) |
| 19:28.40 | paulswm | asg: familiar accents for me: born in South Wales, boarding school in Bath |
| 19:29.00 | peter___ | somiaj: yep. |
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| 19:29.05 | asg | paulswm: ah, born in Huddersfield (near Leeds) |
| 19:29.14 | brop | does minicom default to interpreting input from serial as ascii values? |
| 19:29.38 | sussudio | problem child...... 3... WHY GOD WHY |
| 19:29.39 | eugynon | Can i copy music from my puter to my Sony Net Minidisc player? I just found some old libs that arent developed anymore... |
| 19:29.40 | paulswm | asg, ah, 'uddersfield, lad |
| 19:29.40 | asg | brop: if you are getting garbage, change your baud rate, parity, etc to match the other side |
| 19:29.51 | sandman | I still need to know how to use APT (not apt-cache, not apt-anything, I'm talking about the bot sitting in the channel) to find p;ackages in Testing |
| 19:29.53 | peter___ | somiaj: however, it segfaulted while processing the i810 include files, I don't even have any i810 chipsets so I removed it. I'm trying to see if it'll pass now. |
| 19:29.57 | asg | paulswm: hard to yell 'Up the Terriers' these days |
| 19:30.01 | brop | asg: i'm pretty sure it's correct though. |
| 19:30.13 | somiaj | peter___: ok, well use gcc-2.95, though sometimes when a kernel compile segfaults it is a sign of bad ram. |
| 19:30.17 | brop | asg: i'll fiddle around with some settings... |
| 19:30.20 | PingLH | when it say to remember to run lilo after making a change |
| 19:30.20 | asg | brop: hmmm, okay |
| 19:30.32 | peter___ | somiaj: I have been suspecting that for a long time now. |
| 19:30.42 | PingLH | do you need to just type lilo in console |
| 19:30.55 | peter___ | peter___: the machine hangs sometimes. usualy when I use 3D, but today it hung while in the console. |
| 19:30.57 | paulswm | asg: yeah well watching Wales play rugby these days is prolly bad, I used to go to watch over the years when Barry, Gareth and JPR were playing |
| 19:30.57 | PingLH | there is a lilo in sbin and /lib/user/menu |
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| 19:31.10 | peter___ | somiaj: I thought it was the video card so I changed it, but it was still hanging. |
| 19:31.21 | peter___ | somiaj: I guess a bad RAM scan will verify. |
| 19:31.22 | somiaj | peter___: apt-get isntall memtest86, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/memtest86 and then use that if you want to test your memory, though do realize it may take a good half a day to go though all the tests. |
| 19:32.11 | somiaj | peter___: that is if you have a x86 cpu. |
| 19:32.18 | peter___ | somiaj: I do indeed. |
| 19:32.26 | deejoe | brop: the problem is that minicom is built to talk to a modem, so you have to figure out some way to get it to connect without the usual connect strings etc that a modem would generate |
| 19:32.30 | peter___ | somiaj: I'm just going to try the 2.95 compiler |
| 19:32.48 | deejoe | brop: I've done it before, to talk to a serial console, but I don't remember how |
| 19:32.56 | deejoe | brop: but I know it can be done :-) |
| 19:33.05 | peter___ | somiaj: do you know if exporting the CC variable will be sufficient to persuade the kernel makefile to use a certain cc binary? |
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| 19:33.40 | somiaj | peter___: just realize if you do find out that you have bad ram, lots of stuff on your system could be corupted that was installed made while the bad ram was being used |
| 19:34.02 | peter___ | somiaj: sure. but this is a new system so no sweat. |
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| 19:34.24 | somiaj | peter___: with make-kpkg, MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg blah blah blah |
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| 19:34.47 | cdb | hrm. are there known issues with linux and the compaq presario 5000 series? right now it seems to swap out and be less responsive than my pii 400. |
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| 19:35.19 | hacim | what other utilities are there besides strace to help me try and track down why something is stuck? |
| 19:35.22 | Crell | Greetings. |
| 19:35.23 | bolly | Hi, I've just installed debian (sid 2.4) and I can't seem to find my SiS 7012 in modconf. Anyone know what module I should be using? |
| 19:35.38 | peter___ | somiaj: yeah, I'm gonna have to learn the debian kernel package. |
| 19:35.55 | Crell | Can anyone recommend a decent GUI gnutella client for Linux? |
| 19:36.06 | somiaj | peter___: its really easy, apt-get install kernel-package, zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 19:36.15 | cdb | Crell: gtk-gnutella |
| 19:36.20 | Crell | bolly: Try rebulding your kernel and checking if it's supported there. It will say what the module will be. |
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| 19:36.49 | sgeigerbot | hacim: catchsegv might help |
| 19:36.50 | bolly | ok crell i'll give it a go :) |
| 19:36.50 | Crell | cdb: Thanks. No Qt- or KDE-based ones you can recommend? |
| 19:36.53 | bolly | thanks matey |
| 19:36.55 | paulswm | there are few things easier than compiling a kernel the debian way |
| 19:37.14 | cdb | Crell: i can't recommend one, no. i don't use kde, i'm afraid |
| 19:37.14 | somiaj | Crell: have you tried gtk-gnutella |
| 19:37.21 | hacim | sgeigerbot: hrm, not in stable |
| 19:37.22 | De_Mon | one of which is installing debian packages |
| 19:37.36 | somiaj | Crell: apt-cache search gnutella and see what ya find. |
| 19:37.48 | hacim | sgeigerbot: or testing? |
| 19:37.58 | Theory | mldonkey is the one I use |
| 19:37.59 | Crell | bolly: You don't have to actually recompile the kernel if you don't want to, but make menuconfig should say in the Help section what the module will be called. |
| 19:38.14 | sgeigerbot | hacim: perhaps fenris? fenris - Program execution path analysis tool |
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| 19:38.20 | Crell | somiaj: I did that a while back, went with qtella but it kept crashing on me. :-) |
| 19:38.22 | sgeigerbot | hacim: or ddd? |
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| 19:38.32 | bolly | Crell: k |
| 19:38.34 | paulswm | peter___: there is the usual howto stuff, and I also founf this really good when I was first learning: myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
| 19:38.36 | peter___ | somiaj: the 2.95 compiler doesn't work either, only it's not a segfault now. |
| 19:38.57 | Crell | Installing gtk-gnutella now. (My brother uses KDE and I'd rather not scare him with multiple toolkits if I can avoid it. <g>) |
| 19:39.06 | PingLH | When I ran lilo it says Added Linux * |
| 19:39.06 | PingLH | Skipping /vmlinuz.old |
| 19:39.06 | PingLH | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.14 | hacim | sgeigerbot: hrm, fenris isn't in stable either, ddd looks like it needs X and this is on my server :( |
| 19:39.21 | peter___ | somiaj: or, at least I don't see the "segfault" text anywhere. |
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| 19:39.37 | sgeigerbot | hacim: Can you move the executable to another machine and test there? |
| 19:39.56 | paulswm | De_Mon: you are right. debian is great on so many levels |
| 19:39.58 | somiaj | peter___: well in some cases failing to compile a kernel is a sign of bad ram, since you yourself have also thought that you best just check the ram frist before you worry about other issues. |
| 19:40.05 | Crell | Hm, I had gtk-gnutella installed already. That's right, I couldn't stand the interface when last I tried it... |
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| 19:41.15 | somiaj | PingLH: the link /vmlinuz.old probably isn't pointing to any alternate kernel to boot off of, if the kernel pointed to by /vmlinuz works you shouldn't need the backup option to boot your system so its ok. |
| 19:41.16 | hacim | sgeigerbot: unfortunately, I can't replicate the problem on another box |
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| 19:41.25 | asg | paulswm: ah, haven't watched rugby in a while |
| 19:41.42 | paulswm | PingLH: that sounds OK, and, yes, running lilo is exactly what you have to do if you install a new kernel, etc |
| 19:42.02 | PingLH | what does Add Linux * mean? |
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| 19:42.16 | PingLH | do i need to comment out defualt = LInux |
| 19:42.16 | paulswm | asg: nor me, difficult to see over here without paying $$$$ for inernational sports channels |
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| 19:42.30 | somiaj | !tell stn about root |
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| 19:42.48 | asg | paulswm: yeah. The pub I go to here is run by a guy from Newcastle so I see some football from time to time |
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| 19:43.09 | Yodds | help, Warning: Failed opening '/home/yodds/.//xxx.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0, check the folder and its not there |
| 19:43.12 | paulswm | PingLH: you need to read the lilo man pages: "man lilo", "man lilo.conf" |
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| 19:43.25 | peter___ | somiaj: it segfaults while compiling printk.c |
| 19:43.32 | peter___ | somiaj: I'm running the test now. thank's! |
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| 19:43.54 | somiaj | PingLH: it meas that the boot/menu option Linux has been added the the the boot loader list in the mbr and the * means its set as the default option to boot off of. |
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| 19:44.09 | paulswm | PingLH: if you are going to use lilo, you need to get a good understanding of it, very important (for any boot loader actually) |
| 19:44.20 | hacim | sgeigerbot: oh weird, catchsegv is actually installed |
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| 19:44.50 | sgeigerbot | hacim: cool. |
| 19:44.51 | somiaj | paulswm: though with kernel-package and instaling my kernel deb's doing all the work for me, I kinda forget I have lilo hiding in the background...(: |
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| 19:45.01 | paulswm | asg: There's a pub here run by a friend from Nottingham, so TV though, all bloody kareoke |
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| 19:45.18 | paulswm | somiaj: heh :) |
| 19:45.26 | paulswm | s/so/no/ |
| 19:45.33 | paulswm | bloody keyboard |
| 19:45.38 | paulswm | :) |
| 19:45.45 | sgeigerbot | hacim: Oh, it's part of libc6 |
| 19:45.55 | somiaj | paulswm: well if you didn't cut your self while typing it wouldn't be bloody now would it? |
| 19:45.55 | hacim | sgeigerbot: not sure if that will work on threaded children, but... I'll give it a shot |
| 19:46.02 | mook | has anyone sucessfully patched a vanilla kernel in order build IPSEC into the kernel? where exactly do I add IPSEC before compiling (i dont see it in make menuconfig > networking options) |
| 19:46.22 | sgeigerbot | hacim: I've never used it before, so I'd appreciate any info you can give me that might help me if/when I do need it. |
| 19:46.32 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 19:46.32 | paulswm | somiaj: bloody = contraction of "by our lady", middle ages curse |
| 19:47.04 | mook | paulswm thats a great factpoid ;) |
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| 19:47.23 | hacim | sgeigerbot: well, maybe strace -F or -f or something will work |
| 19:47.32 | paulswm | somiaj: anyway, it's asg who's the self--mutilator at the moment :> |
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| 19:47.47 | paulswm | mook: :) |
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| 19:48.01 | somiaj | paulswm: hehe (: |
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| 19:48.24 | macks | i messed up my file type associations for folders in gnome/nautilus, how can i restore them to defaults? |
| 19:48.26 | lilliput | hi all |
| 19:48.41 | InfinityO | hey folks, does anyone know if stable comes with nforce 2 support? |
| 19:49.10 | Nurbs | InfinityO: no, you'll need a newer kernel. But it boots without a newer one I think |
| 19:49.11 | InfinityO | i know r1 didnt, but im not sure on r2... |
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| 19:49.20 | InfinityO | Nurbs: I see. |
| 19:49.32 | ts_ | how do i remove this dummy_mixer ? http://80.196.128.194/screen.png (or how do i make eMICRO_28028 standard) |
| 19:49.33 | Crell | nforce2 is evil. I just set it up. :-) |
| 19:49.33 | asg | paulswm: yeah and I just banged that finger on the keyboard |
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| 19:49.41 | Gathond | InfinityO: r1 and r2 are almost identical, save for some bugs and some security fixes |
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| 19:49.53 | Crell | You need to get the drivers from nvidia either way. I set it up on sid, and it kinda sorta works. Not sure if woody would take it. |
| 19:50.05 | InfinityO | Gathond: Thats what i thought, but im not really an expert so i wasnt sure. |
| 19:50.42 | lilliput | ./script -> bash: ./script: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied .. What should I do to correct this ,,,? |
| 19:51.02 | somiaj | InfinityO: it will work with that chip set, you just won't be able to use the onboard sound/lan and stuff like that until you upgrade the kernel, and/or use the nvidia non-free drivers. |
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| 19:51.13 | InfinityO | Crell: I had no real problems getting the nv vidio compiled and such, but the system drivers were always annoying. |
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| 19:51.24 | arkaoss | arrrrgghh1!! |
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| 19:51.53 | InfinityO | somiaj: Cool. Thanks. |
| 19:52.25 | eeyore- | lilliput: instead of using cryptic notation that only you understand, you could try describing the problem a little better. for instance, show the first line of "script", show content of /etc/shells, etc. |
| 19:53.05 | InfinityO | k, thanks guys. |
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| 19:54.09 | lilliput | eeyore-, oki the same pb in all my scripts ,,, #! line is fine and the bash has good right |
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| 19:55.05 | anxia | anybody here uses wine succesfully?? |
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| 19:55.37 | asg | paulswm: he probably needs to set the execute bit |
| 19:55.40 | lilliput | eeyore-, oki i have understabd i didn't know for /etc/shells |
| 19:55.45 | lilliput | thx |
| 19:55.55 | alexiii | I gotta be stupid, but I don't understand how to play mpg321/mpg123 on a different sound card than /dev/dsp (both of them worked, tested by "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"), what am I missing? |
| 19:56.04 | paulswm | asg: have one for me, take care |
| 19:56.25 | Ahmeni | If I need an additional module for installation from a CD, where should I get it from? |
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| 19:56.53 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: :> |
| 19:56.55 | arkaoss | has any one here know anything about using citrix on linux? |
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| 19:56.59 | sussudio | alexiii: rtfm'ing is a bitch, isn't it? |
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| 19:57.11 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.25 | sgeigerbot | ~+citrix |
| 19:57.28 | | it's a windowz thing., or a winnt-clone that wants to be a X-server, or thin-client stuff |
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| 19:58.14 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: apt-get install mencal |
| 19:58.18 | alexiii | sussudio: mpg123 -a /dev/dsp1 doesn't work, 09:1 (the pci tag) doesn't work, I don't know what it wants |
| 19:58.37 | sussudio | alexiii: have you tried offering it cash? |
| 19:58.52 | Arnbak | how do I select a I/O scheduler under 2.6.1 kernel configuration ? |
| 19:58.53 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: i know about your cotton ball and q-tip collection. |
| 19:59.20 | lilliput | eeyore-, correction after /etc/shells always the same errors .. :( an another idea ..? |
| 19:59.25 | alexiii | ah sorry about that, it starts playing on /dev/dsp |
| 19:59.28 | iceman | whats is the difference between 2.6 and 2.6.0? |
| 19:59.35 | alexiii | "doesn't work" is a stupid description, correct. |
| 19:59.38 | sussudio | iceman: .0 |
| 19:59.51 | paulswm | sussudio: beat me to it :) |
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| 20:00.17 | sussudio | alexiii: have you looked at the parameter that's above it in the man? |
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| 20:00.46 | paulswm | hi karsten |
| 20:00.51 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: i'm not intested in your 1-900 number |
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| 20:01.23 | sid | Hi, I have problem that IMAP is always creating folder .Trash in ~user/Maildir/ ..is any way how to stop this ?my users deletes mails, but mails are moved into ~user/Maildir/.Trash/cur and there forewer :( it's courier-imap |
| 20:02.06 | alexiii | sussudio: yes I have, I do not understand this "alsa card:specification" string |
| 20:02.41 | sandman | I'm looking for a tutorial for apt_preferences, not the manpage |
| 20:02.47 | sandman | THe manpage is kind of unclear.. |
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| 20:03.09 | sussudio | alexiii: how about combining the two? |
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| 20:05.53 | alexiii | well, still, "For -o alsa, specify card:device; defaults to 0:0", 1:0 just gives Can't open libao driver with device 0:1 (is device in use?), which it isn't |
| 20:06.06 | sussudio | paulswm: sgeiger has an intimate relationship with his mysql server |
| 20:06.12 | bucky | sandman, |
| 20:06.15 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
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| 20:06.48 | paulswm | sussudio: whoops, don't want to start an RDMBS war |
| 20:07.02 | paulswm | or RDBMS even |
| 20:07.09 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Spending Christmas together does not constitute an intimate relationship. |
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| 20:07.25 | semechki | http://www.semechki.agababyan.ru/bag.php?id=3431 |
| 20:07.25 | semechki | http://www.semechki.agababyan.ru/bag.php?id=3431 |
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| 20:07.30 | sgeigerbot | bye |
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| 20:08.17 | nighter | wine: chdir to /tmp/.wine-nighter/server-343-2bcc1 : No such file or directory wine:error: the arguments conversion failed 0!=1 <---- how can i fix that? i get that when trying to boot something with wine. |
| 20:08.26 | lfs | HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:08.34 | ElectricElf | lfs: My eyes! |
| 20:08.39 | nighter | the error started to accour when i switched to 2.6.1 kernel from 2.4.24 |
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| 20:08.54 | sgeigerbot | lfs: Are you drowning or what? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 20:09.12 | lfs | I almost have X working. But now the monitor complains about analog video mode |
| 20:09.12 | GomoX | do i need ppp support in the kernel to use a point-to-point connection (as shown on ifconfig)? |
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| 20:09.52 | lfs | U need PPP support in kernel for ppp] |
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| 20:10.29 | sussudio | lfs: is english your first language? |
| 20:10.35 | _Phrozen | hey, i'm very much a newbie to any sort of linux and was looking for some help with a problem - is this the best chan? |
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| 20:10.53 | hramrach | lfs: what monitor do you have? |
| 20:10.59 | paulswm | _Phrozen: if you are using or considering a debian distro |
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| 20:11.05 | lfs | P1901 DELL |
| 20:11.06 | Knight_Lord | Are there any distributed anti spam programs? |
| 20:11.06 | sussudio | _Phrozen: no, this is for debian gnu/linux, not linux the kernel. |
| 20:11.14 | hramrach | GomoX: no, you can use ie slip :) |
| 20:11.14 | lfs | flat panel |
| 20:11.32 | _Phrozen | yep, well trying to setup debina for a first time: i've just got a problem with lilo |
| 20:11.40 | _Phrozen | *debian |
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| 20:11.49 | hramrach | lfs: then the refresh rate is probably too high/weird |
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| 20:12.03 | lfs | How do you change the refresh rate? |
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| 20:12.05 | GomoX | hramrach: o_O im trying to create a tinc VPN inside my LAN to try it out. I think maybe the problem is that i lack PPP support in my kernels. Could that be it? |
| 20:12.25 | sussudio | what the heck would you use a quad p166pro machine for? |
| 20:12.34 | nvz | _Phrozen: ask a question |
| 20:12.59 | Knight_Lord | I don't know if there are but think about it. Spam mail is very repetitive and most people receive the same spam. That way when someone would mark some email as spam for example a chksum of the email content could be send across the internet so other programs on the network would automatically mark that mail as spam |
| 20:13.01 | _Phrozen | ah, ok, well ive jus rebooted after first-attempt at an install of debian, and lilo's hit me with L 01 error messages |
| 20:13.06 | hramrach | GomoX: I have no idea how VPNs are used in Linux. |
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| 20:13.24 | lfs | What is an L 01 message? |
| 20:13.24 | GomoX | hramrach: neither do i - thats probably the essence of the problem :) |
| 20:13.26 | peterS | GomoX: tinc does not require ppp, no |
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| 20:13.30 | _Phrozen | i was wondering what was the best thing to do from here / what this meant beyond 'illegal command' |
| 20:13.34 | hramrach | lfs: does you videocard support ddc? |
| 20:13.40 | peterS | GomoX: tinc requires the 'tun' module. that is all. |
| 20:13.41 | lfs | 810 |
| 20:14.00 | lfs | generic intel on board 810 |
| 20:14.00 | GomoX | peterS: have you set up tinc inside a LAN (to try it out, mostly)? |
| 20:14.24 | peterS | GomoX: not inside a LAN. between central US and south Germany, yes |
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| 20:14.48 | lfs | What do you mean L 01 message? |
| 20:14.51 | GomoX | yeah but thats SO easy they have different IP addresses |
| 20:14.52 | peterS | GomoX: but that doesn't matter. what matters is that you have two or more endpoints that can talk to each other via TCP/IP. |
| 20:14.59 | GomoX | xD anyway |
| 20:15.01 | paulswm | _Phrozen: L 01 = invalid disk command, you could try googling on the message |
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| 20:15.05 | G_Man | join irc.debian.org |
| 20:15.13 | Justin_ | openvpn is lots better than tinc... |
| 20:15.51 | nvz | _Phrozen: what did you choose when setting up lilo? |
| 20:16.17 | GomoX | i get tinc to load the network interface |
| 20:16.17 | GomoX | but then i cant send PINGS or whatever between the machines (i did set up the routes). I guess the problem might come from the fact that the VPN interfaces have the same IP addresses that the LAN interfaces (on both machines) |
| 20:16.25 | lfs | what does root= in Lilo? |
| 20:16.45 | peterS | GomoX: the VPN has to have its own subnet. separate from any real addresses on your machines. |
| 20:16.45 | sussudio | lfs: what is boot= set to now in lilo.conf? |
| 20:16.48 | GomoX | it tells Mr. Penguin what your root partition is AFAIK |
| 20:17.07 | _Phrozen | i was just running it from the debian setup program.. very much a newbie here :( |
| 20:17.09 | lfs | Mine is alright IM asking the guy with the problem |
| 20:17.11 | peterS | GomoX: and each VPN endpoint has to have its own IP address inside the VPN subnet, as well as its real address |
| 20:17.22 | lfs | Im needing to fix the refresh rate in X. |
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| 20:17.37 | lfs | Anyone know about X here? |
| 20:17.49 | sussudio | ~tell lfs about polls |
| 20:17.52 | _Phrozen | nvz: im pretty sure i told it to try and overwrite my MBR on my main disk.. which was windows |
| 20:18.06 | hramrach | lfs: dpkg-reconfigure xserrver-xfree86 or whatever |
| 20:18.06 | peterS | lfs: lots of us know about X. do you have a specific question? |
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| 20:18.21 | nvz | _Phrozen: ok. |
| 20:18.22 | GomoX | peterS: i have the two IP addresses here in my LAN. The problem is that i really dont know how to tell TINC what subnet to use, im pretty confused by the hosts files and so on. Do you have a working configuration that i could look at? |
| 20:18.27 | _Phrozen | the debian install was on hda3 though, and the mbr is on hda1 |
| 20:18.58 | lfs | Your problem is that lilo cant find the kernel |
| 20:19.09 | GomoX | peterS: maybe you are SO nice that want to check my config on #flood |
| 20:19.10 | lfs | You got something wrong in /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 20:19.32 | efb | hi, i'm installing debian/unstable on a friend's computer, and the package libid9 is unavailable. I'm using the unstable and the non-US/unstable repositories. On my computer, using the same repositories, i have this package. Anyone knows what might be happening? |
| 20:19.37 | peterS | GomoX: I've got a tinc.conf and a hosts/ file coming your way, stay tuned for dcc |
| 20:19.49 | nvz | _Phrozen: no mbr would be /dev/hda, hda1 is the first partition probably windows |
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| 20:19.54 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I'd like to see that, too, but I don't have dcc capabilities... |
| 20:20.05 | Skarmeth | hi all, I need some help in squid and snmp |
| 20:20.18 | _Phrozen | nvz: my bad, i guess that means the mbr is on hda1 and the debian install is hdc1 |
| 20:20.20 | nvz | _Phrozen: you have only one drive? |
| 20:20.25 | sgeigerbot | Skarmeth: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 20:20.31 | nvz | _Phrozen: two ide drives? |
| 20:20.35 | peterS | sgeigerbot: hold on, I'll post them somewhere |
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| 20:20.44 | _Phrozen | three.. hda hdb hdc |
| 20:20.49 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Nice. |
| 20:20.55 | nvz | _Phrozen: all hard drives? |
| 20:21.06 | _Phrozen | two on ide chan one, master and slave, and the third a master of secondary ide chan |
| 20:21.16 | _Phrozen | nvz: yes |
| 20:21.50 | nvz | _Phrozen: ok well how did you install, do you have an installation/rescue disk? |
| 20:22.18 | _Phrozen | though i could see the problem being that the bios does not detect hdb (its 120gb and the bios is too old :/) or something |
| 20:22.24 | GomoX | ok i dont want to sound too lame here, but how the hell do i accept a DCC file transfer on xchat |
| 20:22.32 | nvz | _Phrozen: wont matter at all |
| 20:22.36 | _Phrozen | nvz: through what im pretty sure is a standard debian non-us binary cd1 |
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| 20:23.05 | sandman | I need a fast way to switch between testing and unstable... is there a faster method to apt_preferences? |
| 20:23.08 | GomoX | btw im behind NAT and i suspect that wont help DCC |
| 20:23.19 | peterS | sgeigerbot: http://156.26.14.44/tmp/etc_tinc.tar.gz |
| 20:23.19 | sgeigerbot | GomoX: /dcc get ? |
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| 20:23.27 | sandman | In Gentoo, I can switch just via export ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" && emerge whatever, and I'll be using unstable stuff. |
| 20:23.27 | eugynon | how do i change my keymap in linux? loadkeys doesnt work in x, and i have the right keymap in XF86CFG...? Someone told me to reconfig a package or something, but thats all they told me..? |
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| 20:23.32 | GomoX | (17:21:41) Unknown command: dcc |
| 20:23.36 | sandman | And then if I don't export, I just emerge stuff and it'll stay stable. |
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| 20:23.37 | hocushaze | who has an IBM thinkpad 770x here? (300 mhz) |
| 20:23.40 | peterS | sgeigerbot: that's a setup for a 3-node tinc network |
| 20:23.42 | sandman | Is there an easy way to accomplish this in Debian? |
| 20:23.48 | GomoX | that what it thought sgeigerbot |
| 20:23.49 | GomoX | ill get it from http, thats easier :) |
| 20:23.52 | Justin_ | sandman: thats not what ~x86 does |
| 20:23.55 | rj_ | I have a question, my linux server is connected to a apc backup supply, whenever my power goes down the system stays up but kills all procceses and changes runlevels, how can i disable this? |
| 20:23.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Forbidden. |
| 20:24.00 | Justin_ | i dont even use gentoo and I know that |
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| 20:24.06 | nvz | _Phrozen: boot the rescue and mount the swap partition, and your debian root partition, then skip to the Make System Bootable step, and do what it says to do if you are unsure. |
| 20:24.13 | Skarmeth | I just set up the tag snmp_port 3401, and created the acl for community (acl snmpmon snmp_community public) and the right access rules (snmp_access allow snmpmon localhost, snmp_access deny all). But I give "Timeout: No Response from localhosTimeout: No Response from localhos" when I try do do "snmpwalk -c public -p 3401 -d -m /usr/lib/squid/mib.txt localhost" from the command line |
| 20:24.14 | peterS | sgeigerbot: sorry, try again |
| 20:24.17 | GomoX | petemc: 403 |
| 20:24.22 | peterS | GomoX: try again |
| 20:24.23 | sgeigerbot | peterS: thanks. |
| 20:24.27 | Arnbak | sandman, #gentoo |
| 20:24.36 | GomoX | done, thank you |
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| 20:24.47 | nvz | _Phrozen: if the bios doesnt detect one of those drives, go into the BIOS and set that channel to NONE or disable, dont let it try to auto detect it |
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| 20:24.50 | sandman | Justin_: Actually, it is. |
| 20:24.55 | _Phrozen | nvz: okay.. i'll see if i can do that, thanks :) |
| 20:25.16 | sandman | Arnbak: I see. |
| 20:25.29 | sussudio | ~tell _Phrozen-away about away |
| 20:25.43 | nvz | _Phrozen-away: you really should disable that away message and your bios auto-detection on drives other than the boot device or windows drives |
| 20:25.44 | Justin_ | sandman: no, it's not |
| 20:25.48 | lfs | dpkg does not know about a reconfigure command |
| 20:25.48 | dpkg | lfs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:25.56 | sandman | Justin_: Okay. I just did it on a Gentoo server. You're still going to try and tell me that's not what it does? |
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| 20:26.04 | Skarmeth | any ideia about how to get squid and snmp working? I need to make some graphics to analise the proxy usage and this is a very nice way to do it, but not working here |
| 20:26.16 | Justin_ | sandman: i could care less what you think |
| 20:26.23 | lfs | How does one change the X refresh rate? |
| 20:26.25 | Crell | OK, gtk-gnutella is just way too screwy an interface. Anything else that people have found usable? |
| 20:26.29 | Justin_ | its sad that you don't even know how your own distro works |
| 20:26.34 | _Phrozen | sorry :) |
| 20:26.35 | sandman | Justin_: lol |
| 20:26.38 | sandman | Justin_: ohhhh kay. |
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| 20:27.08 | sandman | Justin_: What does Justin want to think it does, then? |
| 20:27.26 | Justin_ | that it tells it to accept packages that only work on x86? |
| 20:27.32 | sandman | lol |
| 20:27.36 | sandman | Go back and read the manual. |
| 20:27.42 | Justin_ | which to an idiot, would appear that it makes it accept "unstable" packages |
| 20:27.43 | sussudio | sandman: you'll have to put more people on ignore now, or you could face your denial about being a total fucktard |
| 20:28.03 | sandman | Justin_: No, vim /etc/make.conf |
| 20:28.17 | sandman | Justin_: You will find that right in the distributed make.conf, it tells you that you're wrong. |
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| 20:29.47 | sandman | sussudio: You should get a life, really. Do you get paid to sit in here and wait for me to talk? |
| 20:30.01 | sussudio | sandman: face it, you're an idiot |
| 20:30.19 | sgeigerbot | sandman: Man! Don't make me agree with sussudio. |
| 20:30.23 | Crell | And how does swearing at each other help or encourage people to use Debian? |
| 20:30.32 | tof__ | how to revert to an old versio of a package?? |
| 20:30.37 | sandman | sussudio: Just keep telling yourself that; Whatever helps you sleep at night, sister. |
| 20:30.50 | sussudio | Crell: lose the political correctness, call tards tards. |
| 20:30.50 | sandman | Crell: I haven't sworn. |
| 20:30.57 | sgeigerbot | tof__: You can reverse an apt-get upgrade/update for a package: Try to install the previous version from /var/cache/apt/archives/ However, to downgrade the whole dist--well, that...I don't think is practical. |
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| 20:31.36 | sussudio | sandman: you're an idiot who thinks he's not an idiot but your actions prove otherwise |
| 20:32.00 | sandman | sussudio: k |
| 20:32.02 | tempo | does anyone know if cisco pix 506E support DMZ? |
| 20:32.11 | Ubel | hehehe |
| 20:32.13 | sandman | Anyone who thinks I'm an idiot, I invite you to read the OFFICIAL documentation. |
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| 20:32.23 | Ubel | very entertaining argument |
| 20:32.23 | tof__ | sgeigerbot: thank you! As often, the answer semmes so obvious when I have it :-)) |
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| 20:32.36 | sandman | Ubel: I'm done arguing. I've tried to help him. |
| 20:32.41 | Ubel | can I join? |
| 20:32.50 | sandman | Ubel: You go ahead. I had to put him in /ignore again |
| 20:32.57 | Ubel | sussudio, you are a idiot! |
| 20:33.02 | Ubel | sandman you are a idiot! |
| 20:33.04 | Ubel | hehe |
| 20:33.07 | Ubel | very entertaining |
| 20:33.10 | sandman | Ubel: Don't be dumb please. |
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| 20:33.19 | bino | you are all idiots |
| 20:33.22 | Ubel | I am acting like you two did, quite silly |
| 20:33.22 | sgeigerbot | peterS: In the host directory there are three similar Addresses but somewhat different subnets. Is there a chance you can pain the picture more clearly? |
| 20:33.23 | bino | :) |
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| 20:33.41 | sussudio | Ubel: go umm eat ice or something. can't think of much else to do in iceland, really. |
| 20:33.43 | Justin_ | last time I looked at gentoo was when I was thinking of putting it on my sparc64, and found things that said even the kernel sources were the ~sparc64 thing, and nothing worked heh |
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| 20:33.48 | sandman | Ubel: That's not how I acted at all. |
| 20:33.52 | peterS | sgeigerbot: "subnet" is misleading. it can be either a subnet that the machine will route packets to, as with lis1, or a single machine, as with the other two. |
| 20:34.05 | sussudio | yeah sandman can't act. he should be in a soap. |
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| 20:34.23 | peterS | sgeigerbot: think of it this way: the "subnet" declarations, as a whole, make up a routing table. two of the machines just route to themselves, the third routes to an internal network |
| 20:34.37 | Justin_ | or last night, when i tried to boot the ppc live cd on the g4 cube and the retarted thing started on updatedb...running off the cd |
| 20:34.51 | GomoX | peterS: ok i have my vpn interface up but look at this: |
| 20:35.02 | _Phrozen | ok i tried both options within the debian setup program; neither worked :( |
| 20:35.12 | GomoX | peterS: inet addr:192.168.2.1 P-t-P:192.168.2.1 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 20:35.20 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Okay, I might understand better after having looked at the .conf file.... |
| 20:35.21 | _Phrozen | any ideas what to try now? |
| 20:35.26 | GomoX | should PtP point to a different IP address? |
| 20:35.51 | Justin_ | GomoX: if you use openvpn, there are examples and everything in the documentation |
| 20:35.56 | peterS | GomoX: I *think* PtP should point to a peer address, not your own address. I'm not sure |
| 20:36.29 | GomoX | Justin_: heh ok its just that this one looked so lightweigh, i might consider openvpn |
| 20:36.39 | peterS | GomoX: in any case, the tarfile I posted is a complete working example (except for the tinc.conf files on the other machines, which are similar but not identical) |
| 20:36.45 | jarjar26 | i use gaim with Debian Sid, and i have apt-get upgrade and now yahoo messenger not working :( |
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| 20:37.07 | psycose | hi |
| 20:37.13 | sussudio | jarjar26: yahoo not working meesa? |
| 20:37.28 | GomoX | peterS: do you have the VPN up now? it would be great if you could check it your PtP address is different. |
| 20:37.38 | jarjar26 | sussudio: but with other version is working great ! |
| 20:37.38 | somiaj | jarjar26: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:37.40 | Crell | Question: A while back I apt-got a program called qtella out of sid. It does not appear to be in sid's archive anymore, however, so I can't install it on someone else's computer. Why would that be? Is stuff moved out of sid periodically? |
| 20:37.47 | peterS | GomoX: inet addr:192.168.99.2 P-t-P:192.168.99.2 Mask:255.255.0.0 |
| 20:37.57 | peterS | GomoX: so I was wrong - the point-to-point address *is* the same |
| 20:38.32 | jarjar26 | somiaj: the bts ? |
| 20:38.36 | psycose | well i want to install a package using dpkg , depandancy problem on another package,he wants (>= 2.4.2.4-thermoman-1) and i got 2.4.2.4 so i think i could force the installation ? any tips ? or advise? |
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| 20:39.18 | somiaj | Crell: It could of been tooken out of sid for varrious reasons, legal issues are a common reason. |
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| 20:39.40 | somiaj | jarjar26: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org, and if the older version works, just install that and use it. |
| 20:39.58 | peterS | GomoX: you have to finish setting it up, including generating private keys and putting the corresponding public keys in all the hosts/* files |
| 20:40.14 | kombi | is imap included in debian's php by default? |
| 20:40.16 | _Phrozen | can anybody help me with LiLo boot issues? |
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| 20:41.04 | GomoX | peterS: where di you get the MAC address listed on tinc-up? |
| 20:41.16 | JasonM | Does anyone here know how fdisk retreives CHS information from block devices? |
| 20:41.18 | sgeigerbot | GomoX: ifconfig |
| 20:41.23 | Justin_ | !tell kombi about search |
| 20:41.23 | peterS | GomoX: from the documentation. fe:fd:0:0:0:0 is the one they tell you to use |
| 20:41.28 | GomoX | peterS: i had that done, they authenticate well and everything its just that i cant get packets through |
| 20:41.34 | sgeigerbot | oh... |
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| 20:41.40 | GomoX | peterS: oh, so i put that one everywhere? |
| 20:41.42 | Justin_ | seriously, tinc sucks, use openvpn |
| 20:42.02 | GomoX | ~start an open source vpn software war |
| 20:42.06 | honschu | Why doesnt this work ? /usr/src$ zcat patch-2.6.1 | patch -p0 -E |
| 20:42.06 | Crell | somiaj: Lovely. It still appears to be on freshmeat, though. Yet I can't find a download link for it. Why would only one gnutella client be removed? |
| 20:42.14 | GomoX | duh stupid bot |
| 20:42.18 | greycat | honschu: because patch-2.6.1 isn't a gzipped file? |
| 20:42.37 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: in which ways is openvpn better? |
| 20:42.45 | sgeigerbot | GomoX: shut up... |
| 20:42.50 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: it uses real encryption for one |
| 20:42.54 | honschu | greycat: This works also not: /usr/src$ zcat patch-2.6.1.gz | patch -p0 -E |
| 20:42.56 | sgeigerbot | GomoX: apt-get --force install acorkinit |
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| 20:43.24 | peterS | sgeigerbot: somebody has done some security analysis in the tinc protocol and found some weaknesses. the same seems not to be true of openvpn |
| 20:43.24 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: easier to set up? |
| 20:43.38 | fatal_ | hmmm.. is crontab in testing broken? ... It doesn't seem like it executes any tasks that I put into the crontab... |
| 20:44.21 | honschu | Why doesn't this work? /usr/src$ zcat patch-2.6.1.gz | patch -p0 -E ??? I get the question --File to patch: /Skip this patch? [y] |
| 20:44.25 | Justin_ | egrep -v "^($|#)" /etc/openvpn/static-server.conf|wc = 10 |
| 20:44.34 | Justin_ | honschu: ffs you're not in the right directory |
| 20:44.53 | kombi | #Justin: good 'ol apt-get did it again, thanx! |
| 20:45.01 | honschu | Justin_ which dir? /usr/src/linux ? |
| 20:45.25 | peterS | honschu: you should be doing this from inside your 2.6.0 source tree, and use 'patch -NEp1' rather than '-p0' |
| 20:45.34 | greycat | honschu: you need to be in the 2.6.0 kernel source dir and use -p1 instead of -p0 |
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| 20:45.43 | GomoX | sgeigerbot: whats a corkinit? |
| 20:45.49 | GomoX | peterS: its working :) |
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| 20:45.53 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: dev tun\ifconfig 10.1.0.1 10.1.0.2\up ./static-server.up\secret static.key\user nobody\group nogroup\verb 5 is the whole config heh |
| 20:45.56 | GomoX | thanks! |
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| 20:46.02 | Justin_ | where \ is \n |
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| 20:46.21 | Ahmeni | Hrm.. it appears that this Sarge boot CD has no support for my network card, no included kernel source for me to build it, no support for ext3 or reiserfs for me to get the kernel from another partition. |
| 20:46.24 | GomoX | now i just have to tunnel it over http, but thats a minor thingie |
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| 20:46.36 | honschu | peterS: Thx, greycat thx too |
| 20:46.47 | peterS | GomoX: no problem. I haven't fully investigated but may switch to openvpn at some point based on the security analysis done to tinc. you should consider the same. Justin_ has an abrasive way about him but usually does know what he's talking about |
| 20:46.49 | bluegate | i am just reading the debian.org manual. Is it really nessesary to create a preference file when upgrading to sid? |
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| 20:47.14 | GomoX | peterS: oh its not working i typed the wrong ip |
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| 20:47.34 | GomoX | peterS: i dont want any security, i want as less overhead as possible |
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| 20:48.04 | [ervin] | hi |
| 20:48.09 | GomoX | ill be running encrypted stuff on top of the VPN but if the VPN itself is encrypted then my router will die |
| 20:48.09 | joz | hi all |
| 20:48.12 | Justin_ | good security isn't any slower than bad security |
| 20:48.17 | joz | happy new year |
| 20:48.32 | GomoX | Justin_: encrypted tunnel vs not encrypted tunnel is slower |
| 20:48.46 | peterS | GomoX: but both tinc and openvpn are encrypted |
| 20:48.50 | Justin_ | GomoX: that's not bad security, that's no security |
| 20:48.54 | psycose | well anybody know a deb xmule package for debian sid ? |
| 20:48.56 | peterS | GomoX: it's just that the tinc developers are perhaps less clever about it |
| 20:49.04 | GomoX | peterS: i added "Cipher = none" heh |
| 20:49.04 | Justin_ | if you wanted THAT you shouldn't be using tinc at all |
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| 20:49.13 | Justin_ | the kernel can set up a tunnel all by itself |
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| 20:49.24 | GomoX | Justin_: yeah right over http |
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| 20:49.32 | GomoX | through a windows proxy |
| 20:49.35 | GomoX | i dont think so |
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| 20:49.49 | ircdevil | smack the pony is hilarious |
| 20:49.54 | GomoX | if i had to nice public IPS id just set up a GRE tunnel but i dont :(/ |
| 20:50.04 | Justin_ | GomoX: tinc won't do that either |
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| 20:50.08 | ecraven | if i offer a plugin under the lgpl, can that be used in closed source environments? |
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| 20:50.19 | Justin_ | does tinc have a tcp mode? i doubt it |
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| 20:50.19 | GomoX | tinc will do that over httptunnel |
| 20:50.19 | GomoX | i just wanted a VPN software as light as possible |
| 20:50.25 | gezza | hi |
| 20:50.27 | Justin_ | hmm |
| 20:50.35 | sussudio | GomoX: tightvnc? |
| 20:50.39 | gezza | slackers.. iam wondering how to install a FONT |
| 20:50.43 | Justin_ | GomoX: then you will be running tcp over tcp over tcp :-P |
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| 20:50.56 | GomoX | oh wait, dont tell me that httptunnel doesnt do UDP |
| 20:51.04 | peterS | Justin_: nah, tinc is UDP. you're running TCP over UDP over TCP. |
| 20:51.10 | GomoX | sussudio: i dont want VNC i want a tunnel |
| 20:51.13 | peterS | GomoX: HTTP is TCP-based. |
| 20:51.22 | gezza | pimping knoppix here. |
| 20:51.23 | GomoX | yeah yeah but does the tunnel support UDP |
| 20:51.29 | gezza | i have a ttf font, how do i work it |
| 20:51.30 | GomoX | waitr a sec /je runs to google.com |
| 20:51.32 | Justin_ | i was not aware that httptunnel could do anything with udp |
| 20:51.40 | peterS | GomoX: yes it supports UDP. I'm just saying, the HTTP protocol is TCP-based. |
| 20:51.50 | Justin_ | though I didn't try udp when I was messing with it |
| 20:51.57 | peterS | hmmm, at least I *assume* it supports UDP. what would be the point in a tunnel that didn't? |
| 20:51.59 | applejack | guys,. is there a way in debian, to modify the fs write scheduler, so reads become more responsive during writes with the sync flag set (or writes with immediate sync() calls) |
| 20:52.07 | AgentDave | Anyone have a clue where "crt1.o" comes from, or what it comes with. I cant compile anything because I do not have it |
| 20:52.21 | Justin_ | AgentDave: build-essential |
| 20:52.34 | AgentDave | k |
| 20:52.34 | gezza | this is a sad day for me |
| 20:52.45 | peterS | AgentDave: "c run-time object" - it's what sets up your initial environment before calling your main() function |
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| 20:52.59 | GomoX | peterS: are you *sure* it supports UDP? i though it binded to a TCP socket |
| 20:53.08 | sussudio | gezza: out of hand creme? |
| 20:53.10 | GomoX | why do i think of this *now* |
| 20:53.21 | gezza | no, i dont knwo how to install a font |
| 20:53.28 | peterS | GomoX: the point of a tunnel isn't what it binds to, but what it passes *through* the tunnel. if it's based on HTTP, then yes, it will bind to a TCP port. |
| 20:53.29 | AgentDave | when i try to compile i get bailed, with the message "c compiler cannot create executables" ... config.log mentions /usr/lib/crt1.o is missing and something about main() so that makes sense i guess |
| 20:53.35 | Justin_ | AgentDave: build-essential |
| 20:53.40 | AgentDave | yeah im installing it now :-) |
| 20:53.49 | applejack | anyone? |
| 20:53.55 | peterS | AgentDave: on Debian, install build-essential and you should be able to create executables with a c compiler. |
| 20:54.06 | AgentDave | I hope so :d |
| 20:54.45 | peterS | GomoX: HTTP is specified only as a TCP protocol, over IPv4 or IPv6. however, a tunnel that *uses* HTTP probably passes through UDP and TCP packets. I would consider it pretty useless if it didn't. |
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| 20:54.52 | AgentDave | whoa how does 4000kb extract to 17.8mb :O |
| 20:54.55 | GomoX | peterS: yeah but have you used httptunnel? its not like tinc, it doesnt set up an interface |
| 20:55.01 | peterS | GomoX: I have not |
| 20:55.14 | sussudio | AgentDave: it's called 'compression' |
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| 20:55.30 | peterS | GomoX: I have been assuming, from the name, that it tunneled things over TCP. I could be mistaken. it could be tunneling HTTP requests through something else. |
| 20:55.32 | AgentDave | I know :-) It's just the ratio ... |
| 20:55.48 | gezza | bye you bastards |
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| 20:55.55 | GomoX | you have to tell your program to connect to, say, localhost:34 (or whatever you told httptunnel to bind itself) and then it passes the packets to another httptunnel instance on a server |
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| 20:56.20 | Skarmeth | still about snmp and squid: I used debug options on squid.conf, tryed to contact squid snmp agent and nothing are placed on logs, netstat -a | grep -e :3401 say me that 3401 are listening for everyone on udp |
| 20:56.27 | GomoX | it sets up a tunnelled *port* not interface |
| 20:57.46 | peterS | GomoX: ah ok, so it's more like netcat than anything else |
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| 20:58.38 | GomoX | peterS: kinda |
| 20:58.44 | ircdevil | how come adjusting pcm volume doesnt affect the volumen? |
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| 20:58.57 | ircdevil | somethings awry |
| 20:59.12 | AgentDave | wrong device? |
| 20:59.22 | ircdevil | ? |
| 20:59.29 | AgentDave | nm :) |
| 20:59.32 | arkaoss | is this the like only debian IRC channel? or are there others on like efnet or somethin? |
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| 20:59.52 | peterS | arkaoss: there is a smaller one on oftc, also named #debian, interestingly enough |
| 20:59.59 | Mave | arkaoss: this is the official one |
| 21:00.03 | GomoX | ok let's start from scratch |
| 21:00.04 | GomoX | ill tell you 1337 #debian'ers what my scenario is and you can make suggestions |
| 21:00.04 | GomoX | I have to access (from home) a machine at work which is behind an HTTP proxy. What to do? |
| 21:00.14 | ircdevil | e.g. xmms volume control adjust pcm level, but on this setup volume doenst change? |
| 21:00.26 | Justin_ | GomoX: access how? 1 port? all the ports? |
| 21:00.27 | arkaoss | so IF there where any one in the world of Debian that knew citrix he might show up here? |
| 21:00.35 | ircdevil | work, damnit, work! |
| 21:00.37 | ElectricElf | GomoX: Search google and freshmeat for a TCP/IP-over-HTTP tunnel. |
| 21:00.56 | ElectricElf | Justin_: If he's going through a proxy, he's likely not only restricted to a given port, but also a given communications protocol (ie: HTTP). |
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| 21:01.17 | GomoX | Justin_: id like to access all the ports. I could access only one with an inverted SSH tunnel over HTTP but thats not really cool |
| 21:01.19 | Mave | arkaoss: nut necessarily |
| 21:01.25 | Mave | s/nut/not |
| 21:01.31 | hasker | is apache2 in apt-get ? |
| 21:01.32 | ElectricElf | GomoX: There's also TCP/IP-over-DNS, but it's not very fast. |
| 21:01.45 | GomoX | ElectricElf: ive been googling that all day |
| 21:01.46 | GomoX | can you suggest a specific program? |
| 21:02.05 | ElectricElf | GomoX: I don't know any TCP/IP-over-HTTP off-hand, but the TCP/IP-over-DNS is nstx |
| 21:02.07 | ircdevil | GomoX did you try a search on freshmeat? |
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| 21:02.19 | arkaoss | mave: so their maybe one but you haven't seen him? or non that even exist |
| 21:02.26 | ElectricElf | GomoX: And as both I and ircdevil have mentioned now, freshmeat.net is a good resource :) |
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| 21:02.43 | sgeigerbot | Where's CONFIG_TUN in menuconfig? |
| 21:02.53 | ElectricElf | GomoX: "http tunnel" on freshmeat shows up a number of interesting results. |
| 21:03.01 | GomoX | I was thinking of using httptunnel to create the single port tunnel over the HTTP proxy |
| 21:03.02 | GomoX | and then put a vpn on top of that. Its not a bad idea |
| 21:03.02 | Mave | arkaoss: just ask your question. if noone answers you will know he's not here |
| 21:03.07 | peterS | sgeigerbot: in the "networking options"... |
| 21:03.08 | GomoX | sgeigerbot: under network devices |
| 21:03.22 | ElectricElf | GomoX: That's how I would do it, yeah. Just SSH, then use pppd on either side for a VPN. |
| 21:03.26 | GomoX | peterS: nope i spent and hour looking for it there |
| 21:03.41 | peterS | sgeigerbot: no. it's under "network device support" |
| 21:03.48 | peterS | sgeigerbot: look for "Universal TUN/TAP driver" |
| 21:03.48 | trans_err | i installed the 2.6 deb, but it complains that it can't mount my root partition... it tells my to append the proper root=, but i'm using the same argument as with my .22 kernel |
| 21:04.18 | bztunk | trans_err: do you have a ramdisk warning? |
| 21:04.18 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Thanks. Right under my nose. |
| 21:04.20 | peterS | sgeigerbot: also, disregard the tinc docs about needing both tun and some older module. you only need one or the other |
| 21:04.32 | trans_err | bztunk: i dont think so, but if i did what should i do? |
| 21:04.39 | GomoX | ElectricElf: ive read on that PPPD usage but i dont really get it. I mostly went with VPN because i didnt want to rebuild my kernel *again* (its like the 7th time today) |
| 21:04.50 | ElectricElf | GomoX: "went with VPN"? :) |
| 21:04.57 | GomoX | tinc, i mean |
| 21:05.08 | ElectricElf | GomoX: VPN is a generic term for a type of network (basically what you're trying to do) - pppd is one tool that allows one to create a VPN. |
| 21:05.14 | ElectricElf | GomoX: Aaah. :) |
| 21:05.15 | peterS | sgeigerbot: you also might need 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV tun' |
| 21:05.18 | ElectricElf | GomoX: That's better, sorry :) |
| 21:05.26 | arkaoss | i'll try to phrase it different : I have 2 machines running roughly the same version of knoppix based debian install, and network settings are I believe proper, and both machines have what i am believing is a properly installed and configured citrix client, because both can see the servers enough to see what app's the server is offering, but only one a 2.4ghz p4 connects, the other a p2 266 does not seem to even try initiating the app load |
| 21:05.27 | Justin_ | pppd over netcat over httptunnel would work :-) |
| 21:05.28 | bztunk | trans_err: append another ramdisk size or something similar... the ramdisk has the ext3 modules etc. so if it the kernel can't mount it, that's why you have the root error |
| 21:05.35 | ElectricElf | Justin_: pppd++ |
| 21:05.50 | ElectricElf | GomoX: Well, if tinc works for you, then that's all good. |
| 21:05.52 | Justin_ | ElectricElf: whats pppd++? lets you run it on sockets? |
| 21:05.56 | trans_err | bztunk: that makes sense, how do i append a ramdisk size? |
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| 21:05.57 | GomoX | why not pppd over httptunnel? |
| 21:06.03 | ElectricElf | Justin_: Er, no. Just generic notation for "pppd is good" |
| 21:06.09 | GomoX | ElectricElf: the problem is that it doesnt :/ |
| 21:06.10 | SexyKen | Anyone recognize this error: ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly. |
| 21:06.11 | peterS | Justin_: you're a sick man |
| 21:06.12 | ElectricElf | GomoX: Instead of pppd-over-SSH-over-httptunnel? |
| 21:06.14 | Justin_ | because pppd needs a file descriptor |
| 21:06.20 | Rubin | sexyken: i get that too |
| 21:06.25 | ElectricElf | GomoX: If you throw SSH into the mix you also get authentication and encryption. |
| 21:06.31 | Rubin | sexyken: i believe its from having testing/unstable libc6 on a woody box |
| 21:06.34 | bztunk | trans_err: with lilo you append hum... something i forgot |
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| 21:06.45 | Justin_ | you need to run pppd on /dev/ttyS1 or on stdout/stdin etc |
| 21:06.46 | SexyKen | Rubin: Yea can't use qmail anymore because of it...any suggestions? |
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| 21:06.57 | Justin_ | you cant run "pppd server.com" |
| 21:06.58 | greycat | SexyKen: /topic #qmail |
| 21:07.03 | Justin_ | thats what ppptp is for... :-) |
| 21:07.03 | GomoX | oh right ive read that |
| 21:07.04 | GomoX | i dont care about encryption id rather avoid it because as i said my router is a P166 which could use its few clock cycles to something else than an encrypted vpn |
| 21:07.07 | Rubin | sexyken: apprently its impossible to downgrade libc6 without a reinstall |
| 21:07.12 | bztunk | trans_err: ramdisk_size=xxx |
| 21:07.16 | peterS | SexyKen: edit your source. replace 'extern int errno;' with '#include <errno.h>'. recompile. |
| 21:07.17 | Rubin | you might try upgrading qmail to testing/unstable too |
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| 21:07.52 | GomoX | ok, here i go, ill rebuild my kernels with PPP support |
| 21:07.52 | GomoX | anything else i have to add? |
| 21:07.57 | Rubin | sexyken: if that doesnt work, apt-src it and do as peterS says to the source. maybe file a bug report even |
| 21:08.02 | SexyKen | pterS: I dont remember exactly what config line options I had...anyway to find out? I have the original source just can't remember my configure line |
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| 21:08.31 | peterS | SexyKen: I don't use qmail, mainly because it's not DFSG-free and not in Debian. so I can't help you |
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| 21:09.37 | SexyKen | peter: I understand. But what I mean is, if I've previously configured something...do I have to reconfigure or if I just do a make will that be sufficient? (because I still want the same options I used on my last config line a year ago) |
| 21:09.39 | applejack | thanks for all your help guys |
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| 21:09.51 | fatal_ | is there any way to get import (ImageMagick) going without opening port 6000 ? ... (ie. isn't there a unix socket it can use instead?) |
| 21:10.02 | peterS | SexyKen: if your source tree is still intact, configured, there should be no need to reconfigure. just edit source files and recompile |
| 21:10.09 | sgeigerbot | ElectricElf: Strictly speaking, a vPn is private, thus implying encryption. |
| 21:10.19 | ElectricElf | sgeigerbot: Yes, Captain Obvious :) |
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| 21:10.37 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: not always |
| 21:10.38 | psycose | i found with apt-file lot's of /usr/bin/run* files package owner but none for /usr/bin/run |
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| 21:10.47 | bztunk | I can't beleive there's installshield for linux (the sun java sdk uses it) |
| 21:10.58 | ElectricElf | Justin_: Yeah, ATM virtual circuits aren't usually encrypted. |
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| 21:11.08 | ElectricElf | Justin_: (And they're arguably the most prelevant VPNs around.) |
| 21:11.28 | Justin_ | psycose: what is "/usr/bin/run" supposed to do? |
| 21:11.44 | sgeigerbot | ElectricElf: I think that's why they are called virtual circuits |
| 21:11.56 | GomoX | peterS: would you repeat what you said a lil while ago about the subnets in the host files? what am i supposed to put in there? the "desired" subnet for the VPN? |
| 21:12.03 | nk_ | how best to find out in which package a file is located without packages.debian.org? |
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| 21:12.14 | sgeigerbot | nk_: dlocate |
| 21:12.15 | Justin_ | !tell nk_ about search |
| 21:12.29 | ElectricElf | sgeigerbot: They're VPNs though. As opposed to assuming somebody can eavesdrop and thus encrypting everything, the assumption is that there's access control and there's no eavesdropping. |
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| 21:12.52 | ElectricElf | sgeigerbot: VPN *means* other people can't watch your traffic. There are ways of doing that without encryption though. |
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| 21:13.23 | peterS | GomoX: put in the desired IP address of your machine, in the VPN. |
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| 21:13.25 | SexyKenOops | Hey sorry I got disconnected |
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| 21:13.40 | SexyKenOops | peter: did you see my message regarding my config line? |
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| 21:13.45 | GomoX | in the hosts files? |
| 21:14.15 | morbius`wk | i cant seem to get my m$ intellimouse to work, i have a KVM but that shouldnt really make a difference..i think im using /dev/gpmdata as the driver and ImPS/2 as the Protocol is there anything else is should check? |
| 21:14.23 | nk_ | thx Justin_ |
| 21:14.29 | SexyKenOops | I was wondering what source files I'm supposed to edit |
| 21:14.32 | psycose | Justin_: i've never use it _directly_ i'm trying to hunt possible rootkit ... i can confirm false positives case for LPD..., trying to do the same for ZK rootkit ... |
| 21:14.34 | SexyKenOops | Because there's a lot. |
| 21:14.52 | peterS | SexyKenOops: any source file that refers to 'extern int errno;'. change it to '#include <errno.h>' |
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| 21:15.13 | SexyKenOops | Daaamnnn lol |
| 21:15.18 | SexyKenOops | Lot of source lol |
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| 21:15.37 | GomoX | peterS: is lis1 on your files the machine where the setup was extracted from? |
| 21:15.43 | |pacman|_ | what is the command to show your kernel version |
| 21:15.47 | peterS | GomoX: no, it was extracted from 'peter5'. |
| 21:16.04 | VynoM | |pacman|_, uname -r |
| 21:16.09 | |pacman|_ | thanks bro |
| 21:16.10 | peterS | GomoX: but the only difference between the machines is a slight difference in the tinc.conf files. the files under hosts/ are the same on all three machines |
| 21:16.14 | GomoX | then why do peter5 and peterS have a similar line for the subnet and lis1 a totally different one? |
| 21:16.26 | VynoM | np |
| 21:16.38 | SexyKenOops | Source files are the .c not the .h etc right? |
| 21:16.44 | peterS | GomoX: because lis1 is serving as a gateway between tinc and a private network. the other two machines are only serving themselves. |
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| 21:17.21 | peterS | GomoX: the point of the vpn is not so that I can reach lis1 from peter5. I could do that already through ssh on the public internet. the point was so that I could reach the private network which lis1 is connected to, from peter5. |
| 21:17.38 | GomoX | peterS: ok |
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| 21:19.23 | smacnay | what is 2.6 'DSA' in the message? |
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| 21:19.49 | smacnay | in topic, I mean |
| 21:19.50 | freyr | bob2: you recommended some isos to get kernel >= 2.4.22 some /msg dpkg <something> Any idea what <something> was? |
| 21:19.59 | peterS | smacnay: DSA is "debian security advisory" |
| 21:20.05 | peterS | smacnay: see http://security.debian.org/ |
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| 21:20.16 | zamolxes | kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 <- is this the final version? |
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| 21:21.07 | trans_err | bztunk: append="ramdisk_size="4280320" something like that |
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| 21:21.08 | zamolxes | i just saw it in the repository, it's new, right? |
| 21:21.08 | GomoX | where is PPP support in menuconfig? |
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| 21:21.21 | freyr | Any installer with kernel >= 2.4.22? |
| 21:21.43 | GomoX | got it |
| 21:21.45 | peterS | GomoX: under "network device support" |
| 21:22.50 | morbius`wk | somebody able to help me w/my xfree86 configuration, i cant get my mouse going (intellimouse) |
| 21:23.17 | VynoM | morbius`wk, is it usb? |
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| 21:23.21 | morbius`wk | VynoM: yes |
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| 21:24.38 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Have you tried carpaltunnel? |
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| 21:25.20 | Justin_ | no |
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| 21:27.20 | Zap-W | anyone here who uses exim4 got this error message [: 282: ==: unexpected error |
| 21:27.25 | Zap-W | sorry operator |
| 21:27.27 | Zap-W | not error |
| 21:27.36 | greycat | sounds like an easy script botch to fix |
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| 21:28.24 | Zap-W | yea, it's shows when update-exim4.conf is run |
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| 21:28.51 | travis_ | i'm writing a post/preinst script, is there a utility script one uses to add/edit entries to the inittab file? |
| 21:29.01 | SexyKen | Hey Peter, what line was i looking for again? |
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| 21:29.26 | Conductor | hi |
| 21:29.33 | bitserf | hello. i am running a mostly bog-standard sid installation, apart from using the experimental XFree packages. i am unable to install the qt3 dev package though, due to a stale xlibs-pic dependency...and no, my distribution isn't an upgraded knoppix...how to fix? |
| 21:29.40 | ircdevil | hehehe mr "ab normal" |
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| 21:30.08 | ircdevil | heh |
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| 21:30.24 | GomoX | hahah good one |
| 21:30.40 | Conductor | how do u change the apt-get settings, if i've already installed woody? |
| 21:30.54 | peterS | Conductor: the file you're looking for is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:30.55 | caphuso | Conductor: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:31.00 | sussudio | ~seen sgeigerbot think up something original |
| 21:31.02 | | sussudio: i haven't seen 'sgeigerbot think up something original' |
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| 21:31.12 | peterS | Conductor: the documentation is 'man sources.list' |
| 21:31.15 | SexyKen | peterS: What was that line Iw as going to replace with the errno.h include? |
| 21:31.18 | GomoX | Conductor: apt-setup is a bit nicer |
| 21:31.24 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: It's easy. Just use your brain, or whatever equivalent thing they have where you live. |
| 21:31.35 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: quote whore |
| 21:31.37 | peterS | SexyKen: the original line is 'extern int errno;'. the replacement is '#include <errno.h>'. |
| 21:31.38 | nvz | !find xfce-setting-show |
| 21:31.54 | Conductor | no, thx GomoX! |
| 21:31.58 | bucky | how do i keep my /etc/resolv.conf from being over-written ? |
| 21:31.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xfce-setting-show' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/xfce-setting-show) in x11/xfce4-mcs-manager. |
| 21:31.59 | peterS | SexyKen: try copying and pasting that somewhere safe, so you're not vulnerable to your IRC window scrolling out of reach |
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| 21:32.07 | Conductor | GomoX, -no |
| 21:32.14 | Conductor | bye... |
| 21:32.31 | bucky | how do i keep my /etc/resolv.conf from being over-written ? |
| 21:32.33 | caphuso | oh, SexyKen's now recompiling qmail? |
| 21:32.46 | JasonM | bucky - remove write access to it? |
| 21:33.01 | bucky | that's the best way? |
| 21:33.13 | JasonM | No idea; that's just a suggestion. |
| 21:33.20 | sgeigerbot | bucky: chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:33.20 | caphuso | bucky: check your dhcp client's configuration |
| 21:33.21 | ircdevil | bucky you dont. its supposed to be dynamically written. the question is, how your modifications to that file will be written when update is run |
| 21:33.48 | bucky | JasonM, in rpm distro |
| 21:33.59 | cl0ud | is there any firewall program for linux like zonealarm, i mean with a nice frontend and program-rules etc |
| 21:34.02 | JasonM | rpm? |
| 21:34.11 | bucky | they use NO_PEER_DNS ins ifcfg-eth) |
| 21:34.16 | JasonM | In Debian? |
| 21:34.19 | sgeigerbot | cl0ud: iptables & firestarter |
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| 21:34.24 | ircdevil | cl0ud go read the ipchains/iptables howto and have a look at the gui's |
| 21:34.33 | cl0ud | ty guys |
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| 21:34.43 | bucky | no rpm distros... i thought there might be a equiv |
| 21:35.06 | sgeigerbot | cl0ud: Also, perhaps check into these: kmyfirewall - http://kmyfirewall.sourceforge.net/ Easy Firewall Generator - http://morizot.net/firewall/ Firewall Builder - http://www.fwbuilder.org/ shorewall - http://www.linux.net/www.shorewall.net guarddog |
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| 21:35.29 | viastar | why does it take so long to restore packages.debian.org? |
| 21:35.34 | viastar | and i have read the topic |
| 21:35.35 | bucky | ircdevil, i appreciate that, but i want bind to take care of all that and preserve a localhost entry in resolv.conf :^) |
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| 21:35.55 | caphuso | viastar: probably because it's very low priority |
| 21:36.06 | JasonM | Anyone here know how fdisk reads CHS information from the device? |
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| 21:36.25 | LSorensen | JasonM: I suspect it asks the kernel for at least some of it if not all of it |
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| 21:36.40 | bitserf | any advice before i apt-get -t experimental install libqt3-mt-dev? a lot of stuff is getting whacked and upgraded :) |
| 21:36.43 | JasonM | Well - that's what I thought... |
| 21:36.52 | sgeigerbot | bitserf: backups? |
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| 21:37.05 | nion | Anybody here experienced with the sshd daemon? |
| 21:37.09 | SexyKen | Hey peter: What about h_errno? |
| 21:37.10 | somiaj | bitserf: yea, why do you need libqt from experimental? |
| 21:37.11 | JasonM | But I copied an entire block device into a file, using dd, and fdisk can actually partition it and displays CHS info for it |
| 21:37.17 | sgeigerbot | nion: Is anyone using that software? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a software-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
| 21:37.30 | peterS | SexyKen: are you declaring h_errno anywhere? if so, replace that with the include as well |
| 21:37.38 | LSorensen | JasonM: the data in the partition table can give a clue about what it would have been |
| 21:37.39 | SexyKen | Okay thanks. |
| 21:37.41 | bitserf | som: broken dependency in unstable on xlibs-pic which doesn't exist in unstable |
| 21:37.45 | JasonM | Ah. |
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| 21:38.06 | JasonM | The CHS data doesn't match, BTW :) |
| 21:38.06 | XpTerminator | bye |
| 21:38.12 | viastar | what bind-package would you recommend? bind or bind) |
| 21:38.17 | viastar | what bind-package would you recommend? bind or bind9 |
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| 21:38.21 | LSorensen | JasonM: hmm, well it's not perfect I guess :) |
| 21:38.31 | hackeron | hey, I want to simulate user response to certain commands.. for instance I want to write a script to automate LDAP configuration, and I want something to enter password when it is asked.. I know this is unsafe, but that's not important in my case, is there a program to do something like that? |
| 21:38.31 | LSorensen | JasonM: what does it say for CHS? |
| 21:38.44 | JasonM | Gimme a sec .. |
| 21:38.56 | LSorensen | hackeron: expect |
| 21:38.57 | RelDrgn | viastar: which version of bind do you know how to use? Personally I'd go with bind9 or some other resolver |
| 21:39.46 | JasonM | 255h, 63s, 29c (dumped file) |
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| 21:39.48 | bitserf | looks like its just getting updated X packages from experimental anyway...which is cool, since i was running earlier versions of them already |
| 21:39.57 | somiaj | bitserf: Just makeing sure you understand that experimental can be far more broken than what your experienceing in sid, so be sure you know what your doing and have some skills with debian package management before you use it. |
| 21:40.00 | peppo | does anyone know of a Debian repository that has XFree86 CVS snapshots? |
| 21:40.14 | ircdevil | sgeigerbot have you testet firestarter with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:40.20 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: No. |
| 21:40.22 | somiaj | peppo: have you tried apt-get.org or backport(s).org |
| 21:40.36 | JasonM | 16h, 63s, 1000c (device) |
| 21:40.37 | Zap-W | [1;34m[5mnot me[0m[0m |
| 21:40.45 | hackeron | LSorensen: ok, looking into expect, thanks :) |
| 21:40.47 | bitserf | somiaj: i used to be a package maintainer...i think i'll manage ;) |
| 21:40.56 | ircdevil | sgeigerbot aint NAT, netfiltering and iptables changed considerably in 2.6 ? |
| 21:40.58 | peppo | somiaj, I didn't know about them. |
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| 21:41.08 | ircdevil | anyone? |
| 21:41.13 | Pushkin | hey is there any way to install debian with gnome and x done without typing it all the apt-get stuff in? :P |
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| 21:41.24 | RelDrgn | Zap-W: using terminal escape codes in an irc channel isn't a way to make friends. |
| 21:41.25 | sgeigerbot | ircdevil: not sure. |
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| 21:41.29 | somiaj | peppo: they have list of unoffical apt sources you can search though. |
| 21:41.41 | somiaj | bitserf: ok, then have fun!...(: |
| 21:41.41 | Zap-W | RelDrgn : i didn't know anyone could see them |
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| 21:41.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 21:41.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 21:41.58 | ircdevil | Pushkin apt-get install x-window-system install all necessary packages for x |
| 21:42.01 | RelDrgn | Zap-W: I strip them to keep people from using them to screw up my terminal : |
| 21:42.10 | ^Punk | i'm trying to masquerade my internet connection on sarge, but it doesn't work.. does anyone know if iptables is broken in sarge? |
| 21:42.16 | Pushkin | ircdevil that's it? i installed like 50 different things |
| 21:42.17 | Pushkin | :P |
| 21:42.18 | bitserf | pushkin: install gnome and gnome-core after that |
| 21:42.23 | Zap-W | Pushkin : there is a gui to apt-get |
| 21:42.23 | Pushkin | gnome-core |
| 21:42.23 | ircdevil | Pushkin ill bet that such a meta-package also exists for gnome |
| 21:42.33 | Pushkin | gbome 300 other tihngs |
| 21:42.36 | Zap-W | Pushkin : forgot the name |
| 21:42.44 | peppo | somiaj, wasn't listed in their database :/ |
| 21:42.53 | peppo | I need XFree86 CVS to be able to use my GeForce 4 |
| 21:42.58 | peppo | (with 2d acceleration) |
| 21:43.00 | Pushkin | synaptec |
| 21:43.03 | ircdevil | Pushkin its a meta-package. it doesnt install any code by itself, but it is dependent on all relevant packages for x |
| 21:43.08 | Pushkin | but don;t i have to have gnome to run it? |
| 21:43.08 | Zap-W | RelDrgn : then how can you tell |
| 21:43.18 | Zap-W | RelDrgn : it looks pretty nice if you ask me.. |
| 21:43.26 | somiaj | ^Punk: check the bts on iptables |
| 21:43.36 | RelDrgn | Zap-W: it strips the escapes not the rest of the sequence. < Zap-W> [1;34m[5mnot me[0m[0m |
| 21:43.37 | peterS | peppo: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html does not seem to be up-to-date. 4.3.0 supports all GeForce 4 cards, AFAIK, even though they don't really say so there |
| 21:43.43 | ircdevil | Pushkin if you install gnome-control-center, then i guess apt-get will install most stuff you need for gnome |
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| 21:44.12 | bitserf | peppo: running a Ti4600 using experimental's 4.3.x and nvidia's drivers fine |
| 21:44.14 | somiaj | peppo: I belive the xserver-xfree86 from experimental's free 'nv' driver is compadable with the geforce4 |
| 21:44.25 | ircdevil | Pushkin no, gnome is something you run on top of x |
| 21:44.34 | Pushkin | ircdevil so what from start to finish do i have to install on a fresh deboan install to get it all running well? |
| 21:44.45 | Pushkin | including x and gnome |
| 21:44.54 | peppo | bitserf, those are non-free |
| 21:44.54 | ^Punk | somiaj, ok.. |
| 21:44.55 | bitserf | peppo: you'll need nvidia's drivers if you have a DVI lcd though |
| 21:45.04 | peppo | I don't. |
| 21:45.14 | somiaj | Pushkin: apt-get install x-window-system for the X-server, and /msg dpkg install gnome for what needs to be installed for gnome. |
| 21:45.18 | bitserf | well then, xfree86 nv driver will work |
| 21:45.20 | dvhart | is there a way to force a domain to be added to the search line in /etc/resolv.conf after a dhcp |
| 21:45.28 | peppo | somiaj, experimental? I'm running unstable. is it easy to get experimental packages selectively |
| 21:45.29 | Pushkin | somiaj seems simple |
| 21:45.30 | Pushkin | :P |
| 21:45.32 | peppo | bitserf, not 4.2 |
| 21:45.33 | ircdevil | Pushkin apt-get install x-window-system gnome-control-center |
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| 21:45.48 | ^Punk | does anybody have an idea why else masquerading could be broken even if i have the FORWARD chain on policy ACCEPT? on the client if i traceroute to some IP, i get 1. * * * (etc) |
| 21:46.02 | peppo | bitserf, and 4.3+cvs isn't in unstable. |
| 21:46.02 | somiaj | Pushkin: that is one of debians strong points, simple and power package mangament |
| 21:46.10 | sussudio | "Linux for Asia: Asianux" - what about GAMPix? |
| 21:46.12 | Pushkin | hmm |
| 21:46.21 | bitserf | you don't need 4.3+cvs for gf4 |
| 21:46.28 | peppo | bitserf, you do. |
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| 21:46.41 | bitserf | the nv driver does do 2d acceleration, just not 3d |
| 21:47.01 | peppo | bitserf, I know. but 4.3 contains no GF4 support as I've been told and read. |
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| 21:47.10 | peppo | http://xfree86.org/current/Status23.html |
| 21:47.11 | somiaj | peppo: you should be able to install the xserver-xfree86 from experimental on sid fairly easy, /msg dpkg experimental for the source, then apt-get -t experimental install xserver-xfree86 (you shouldn't need all the libs that come with it for they will pull in a new dependency nightmare)..(: |
| 21:47.12 | bitserf | have you actually tried it? |
| 21:47.19 | bitserf | i've used both with no problem |
| 21:47.22 | peterS | peppo: and *I* am telling you that it does. despite the lack of updated info on Status.html. |
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| 21:47.27 | Pushkin | brb |
| 21:47.38 | peppo | wtf. stupid xfree86. |
| 21:47.55 | peppo | let me kill X and try |
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| 21:49.23 | JasonM | Hmm |
| 21:49.26 | hallux | In my daemon.log, I have a ton of "Failed none for <username> from 1.1.1.1 port 1111 ssh2 before a successful ssh attempt. What does the "failed none" part mean? |
| 21:49.29 | peppo | hm, 4.2.1 and gf4 seems to work |
| 21:49.36 | peppo | however, the cursors is a mess :P |
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| 21:50.05 | fudje | what's the deal with console-tools in sid? |
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| 21:50.44 | nion | Oksy sgeigerbot, I am getting the following error while trying to start the SSHD daemon: Permissions 0777 for '/etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key' are too open. |
| 21:50.44 | nion | and: |
| 21:50.44 | nion | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 21:50.44 | nion | Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key |
| 21:50.44 | Bobson | greetings! |
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| 21:50.47 | Ahmeni | No matter which mirror I use during installation I get "Couldn't download libopencdk8" and nothing shows up in the logs or the error logs. Any suggestions? |
| 21:51.26 | bitserf | nion: chmod 700 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key and try again |
| 21:51.38 | fudje | bitserf: he got kicked |
| 21:51.42 | somiaj | Ahmeni: have you tried to ftp to the mirror and down load the file directly. |
| 21:52.11 | Ahmeni | somiaj, where should I put it? |
| 21:52.30 | Bobson | anybody know how come the md5 sums are not correct for 3.0r2 cd images i386-binary |
| 21:52.33 | Bobson | ? |
| 21:52.47 | fudje | Bobson: sounds scary. |
| 21:53.11 | somiaj | Ahmeni: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 21:53.18 | Bobson | fudje, I dled the images from an internal mirror at work |
| 21:53.22 | Il_proff | hi all |
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| 21:53.40 | Il_proff | could some one tell me how can i add an user to a group? |
| 21:53.43 | fudje | Bobson: have you double checked? |
| 21:53.51 | somiaj | Bobson: not correct, they worked just fine for me when I downloaded them. |
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| 21:54.18 | fudje | Bobson: If upon a second download they're stiill incorrect, ask the admin of the mirror to verify them. |
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| 21:54.27 | Bobson | fudje, and checked them against the md5s of gd.tuwien.ac.at |
| 21:54.45 | Il_proff | on debian of course |
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| 21:55.03 | Bobson | fudje, too bad i'm not due back to work until jan26 |
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| 21:55.35 | dvhart | Il_proff: there are lots of ways, the easiest is to add their username at the end of the line starting with the group you want to add them to to /etc/group |
| 21:55.40 | Bobson | could it have smthng to do with the compromise?> |
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| 21:56.00 | mbware | hi I installed lprfax and now I cannot print on my printer. idea? |
| 21:56.02 | somiaj | dvhart: wouldn't be easier just to type adduser <name> <group> |
| 21:56.11 | chinook_winds | does anybody know when sarge is going stable |
| 21:56.18 | dvhart | somiaj: sizes |
| 21:56.22 | dvhart | somiaj: sixes even |
| 21:56.33 | fudje | chinook_winds: there's a standard response to that sort of question. |
| 21:56.47 | chinook_winds | yeah, i guess |
| 21:57.01 | SexyKen | peter? |
| 21:57.05 | somiaj | Il_proff: adduser <usr> <group> is usually the prefered way as oposed to modify the file directly. |
| 21:57.15 | fudje | dvhart: Your method doesn't doo neat stuff like updating NIS records ;) |
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| 21:57.34 | mbware | hi I installed lprfax and now I cannot print on my printer. I use cups. idea? |
| 21:57.35 | chinook_winds | something like, when its ready |
| 21:57.41 | Bobson | could md5summing the dev skew the results? |
| 21:57.44 | fudje | dvhart: Also it doesn't necessarily lock the file properly. |
| 21:57.48 | bitserf | ahahah...they change xlibs to a virtual package between minor revisions of experimental X..bugger, lots of manual work |
| 21:57.56 | fudje | Bobson: 'dev'? |
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| 21:58.13 | Bobson | fudje, "md5sum /dev/cdrom" |
| 21:58.13 | dvhart | fudje: ah, I work primarily on a solitary laptop and it has worked for me... forgive my backwards ways |
| 21:58.15 | dvhart | *g* |
| 21:58.18 | mbware | #flood |
| 21:58.40 | Zap-W | do fish get thirsty? |
| 21:58.57 | SexyKen | Hey guys how do I apply a patch file? |
| 21:58.59 | fudje | Bobson: shouldn't. |
| 21:59.07 | rsd | hi, what does this error mean when i do 'apt-get update'? i tried googling to no avail: W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 21:59.17 | fudje | Zap-W: "Never thirsty, Always Drinking" |
| 21:59.21 | Bobson | fudje, shouldn't... |
| 21:59.27 | fudje | precioussss.... |
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| 22:00.08 | fudje | Bobson: md5sum works through the device, it doesn't try to assess the special file itself. |
| 22:00.11 | ljlane | rsd: what version of apt are you using? |
| 22:00.14 | bancus | Zap-W, I don't think the word "thisty" applies to fish. |
| 22:00.28 | fudje | bancus: It does in the Hobbit.... |
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| 22:00.37 | Bobson | fudje, i managed just fine with the knoppix disc... |
| 22:00.44 | Il_proff | there is a way to see the group of one user own? |
| 22:00.47 | fudje | hmm. Apt-proxy refuses to download the gimp files.... |
| 22:00.56 | bancus | Never thirsty. |
| 22:01.08 | Bobson | but two debian cds fail the check |
| 22:01.16 | fudje | Bobson: That's what I'm saying. It should work fine if you md5sum on the device file. |
| 22:01.18 | sussudio | fudje: gamp files? |
| 22:01.20 | rsd | ljlane: well i put in experimental deb lines to get xfree 4.3, so apt was probably updated to 0.6.15 |
| 22:01.31 | fudje | sussudio: no, Indian, not Asian. |
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| 22:01.34 | magaete | I have tried to install kernel 2.6.1 but I have the following problem |
| 22:01.40 | sussudio | fudje: try porn-get |
| 22:02.06 | Bobson | somiaj, did you get the md5sums from the same place you got the images? |
| 22:02.11 | magaete | `__alloc_percpu' include/linux/slab.h:92: internal compiler error: Segmentation Fault |
| 22:02.12 | fudje | sussudio: Of course I have to wonder wheter Pan is just a gross mispronunciation. |
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| 22:02.23 | fudje | Bobson: The md5sums should be the same anyway. |
| 22:02.31 | mbware | who help me for cups^ |
| 22:02.32 | mbware | ? |
| 22:02.33 | magaete | anybody can help me? |
| 22:02.33 | ljlane | rsd, I see. |
| 22:02.38 | fudje | magaete: How nice! What compiler? |
| 22:02.39 | Zap-W | did you know that the taller you the shorter your life span becomes |
| 22:02.50 | fudje | magaete: version, as in? |
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| 22:02.57 | somiaj | Bobson: yea, I downloaded all 7 discs from U of Oregon and the md5sums all checked out (from the same place) |
| 22:03.04 | magaete | gcc-3.3 debian unstable |
| 22:03.13 | Bobson | fudje, call me paranoid, but i checked the disks from one mirror against md5sums from a different mirror |
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| 22:03.30 | fudje | magaete: Interesting. Are you sure it's using *that* compiler? |
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| 22:03.45 | Bobson | somiaj, do you still have the images or CDs handy? |
| 22:03.46 | fudje | Bobson: It should work out fine. The md5sums should be consistent. |
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| 22:04.02 | magaete | fudje : yes (gcc -v say it!) |
| 22:04.04 | Bobson | fudje: and they are not |
| 22:04.07 | birkett | I've just installed debian, and changed to the unstable version - problem is I can't now install gnome, cos it seems to depend on libxslt1 - only that has been replaced by libxslt1.1. Is there anything I can do to make it work? |
| 22:04.10 | fudje | Bobson: If they're not, there's an error in one or the other. |
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| 22:04.12 | magaete | gcc versión 3.3.3 20031229 (prerelease) (Debian) |
| 22:04.22 | somiaj | Bobson: I burnt the cd's then deleted the images (take up lots of space), but if you want them just check out the u of oregon mirror on debian.org for them. |
| 22:04.32 | bitserf | bobson: you're not perhaps comparing two different minor revisions? |
| 22:04.39 | ljlane | rsd, If you can't figure out that version of apt, you might want to downgrade manually and put apt on hold or something. Pinning may help. |
| 22:04.39 | Borszczuk | hi |
| 22:04.53 | Borszczuk | anyone knows what has happened to apt-get.org? it is not updated for 3 months now |
| 22:05.05 | rsd | ljlane: i confirmed it is 0.6.15; how do i downgrade again? |
| 22:05.15 | Bobson | bitserf, 3.0r2 in both cases |
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| 22:05.22 | fudje | magaete: That should work. |
| 22:05.30 | fudje | Bobson: does the cd mount cleanly? |
| 22:05.53 | ljlane | rsd: get the unstable deb from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/ and install it with "dpkg -i blah.deb". |
| 22:05.58 | Bobson | somiaj, could you please check your CDs against http://gd2.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/images/3.0_r2/i386/MD5SUMS |
| 22:06.21 | Bobson | fudje, yup |
| 22:06.21 | magaete | yes.. |
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| 22:06.55 | Bobson | somiaj, put the i386-binary-6 cd of 3.0r2 in the drive |
| 22:07.09 | somiaj | Bobson: I really don't want to, I'd have to turn them all back into iso's and it would just take to much time. |
| 22:07.13 | Bobson | somiaj, and do "md5sum dev/cdrom" |
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| 22:07.22 | fudje | Bobson: I'd say there's probably an error in that md5sum file, then. ISO9660 doesn't tend to like truncated filesystems or with cruft at the end of them. |
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| 22:07.50 | fudje | somiaj: You can run md5sum on the device, and that'll work. |
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| 22:07.53 | rsd | ljlane: hmm, which version is the one from unstable? 0.6.15 is in the folder along with a bunch of 0.5... |
| 22:08.03 | fudje | Bobson: why don't you just compare the md5sums file with another? |
| 22:08.09 | Oryn | does anyone here know how (simply) to post to the LKML? |
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| 22:08.35 | somiaj | fudje: everytime I've tried to md5sum the device, when it reaches the end of the cd it gives me input/output errors and the md5sum fails |
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| 22:08.38 | Bobson | somiaj, you can run it on the device. it takes 4mins on a pII@366Mhz |
| 22:08.42 | fudje | bitserf: Trolltech? Use an attempt at standardisation? Are you on crack? |
| 22:09.01 | ljlane | rsd: 0.5.20 is the latest |
| 22:09.10 | Oryn | there are loads, no, miles of docs telling you what not to post, but nothing I can or google can find explaining how |
| 22:09.32 | fudje | I smell pancakes. I'm gonna go see what the deal is. Laters. |
| 22:09.46 | danac | as anyone ever had the problem where one day you have one day and then it just quits with no errors? |
| 22:09.54 | danac | has* |
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| 22:10.09 | hallux | what does it mean when your ssh connections have "failed none" in syslog? |
| 22:10.15 | somiaj | Bobson: just compare it to the md5sums here, these are the ones that all my cd's checked against....ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/images/3.0_r2/i386/ |
| 22:10.17 | hasker | hello anyone in here using libgd2 with apache? |
| 22:10.24 | Oryn | danac: yup mozilla likes to do that |
| 22:10.44 | Oryn | hasker: I was till it stopped apache from workinh |
| 22:10.51 | Oryn | working even |
| 22:10.52 | danac | Oryn: do you know how to fix that? |
| 22:11.11 | Oryn | danac: is it mozilla thats doing it? |
| 22:11.16 | rsd | ljlane: ok, thanks; is there a way now to prevent apt from updating from the experimental section but be able to update other packages? |
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| 22:11.25 | rsd | ljlane: maybe is that the "pinning" you were talking about? |
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| 22:11.41 | danac | Oryn: i really have no clue, i don't get any errors, xmms still plays stuff but nothing comes out of the speakers |
| 22:11.44 | defcon8 | when will packages.debian.org be back? |
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| 22:12.04 | rsd | defcon8: that's asking for trouble |
| 22:12.05 | rsd | :/ |
| 22:12.08 | Oryn | danac |
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| 22:12.10 | defcon8 | lol |
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| 22:12.24 | hyde | i think the topic answers that one |
| 22:12.24 | somiaj | Bobson: I'm also generating and md5sum off the cd6 for you, 'md5sum /dev/dvd', though in the past this has always failed on me. |
| 22:12.27 | Oryn | danac: do you know if your sound hardware is working? |
| 22:12.42 | danac | Oryn: it works in windows still |
| 22:12.44 | ljlane | rsd: there's an apt-howto (quick find at google.com) that explains pinning. I'm not terribly familiar with it. |
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| 22:12.51 | danac | Oryn so i'm assuming that it still is |
| 22:12.53 | rsd | ljlane: ok thanks much :) |
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| 22:13.00 | Oryn | danac: in linux have you heard any sound from it? |
| 22:13.16 | y2rK | how i can install gnome by apt-get ? |
| 22:13.24 | somiaj | y2rK: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:13.25 | Oryn | y2rK: yup |
| 22:13.27 | Bobson | somiaj, the ostate mach the tuwien MD5s |
| 22:13.28 | chinook_winds | i,m got 3.0r0 on cd. Does anyone know how to get just the updates for 3.0r2 so i can burn them? |
| 22:13.51 | danac | Oryn: yeah untill day before yesterday, i rebooted and when it started again it just didn't work anymore |
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| 22:14.01 | asg | rsd: man apt_preferences also discusses pinning. |
| 22:14.04 | kombi | why does user@[ip_adress] not get through? Any special setting with qPopper? |
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| 22:14.28 | caphuso | chinook_winds: http://www.debian.org/CD/ and get the update CD |
| 22:14.39 | somiaj | chinook_winds: if you have a decent inet, just install off the r0 and then do a security upgrade and you'll be running 3.0r2 just fine. |
| 22:14.39 | Oryn | danac: have you checked your mixer settings? simple things like volume and mute settings |
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| 22:15.25 | chinook_winds | thanks caphuso and somiaj |
| 22:15.27 | razor_ | hi, my apache isnt working for some ppls but is working for anothers, is under port 80, what could be?! |
| 22:15.31 | danac | Oryn: i'm using alsa, and everything that is needed is turned on in alsamixergui, but i can't adjust the master or pcm anymore either |
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| 22:15.51 | Bobson | ok it seems the internal mirror has rotten images... |
| 22:15.51 | joseph | trying to build nvidia drivers in woody no modversion.h found... |
| 22:15.57 | Oryn | danac: did you update anything? |
| 22:16.10 | Covener | joseph: patch from minion.de |
| 22:16.25 | danac | Oryn: yeah, i ran apt-get update |
| 22:16.30 | caphuso | joseph: /msg dpkg modversions.h |
| 22:16.36 | Cy6erbr4in | who programming for Linux with GTK+& |
| 22:16.41 | Oryn | danac, it sounds like your sound driver is not being loaded |
| 22:16.56 | Oryn | danac, or its broken |
| 22:17.05 | y2rK | [5~ |
| 22:17.07 | somiaj | Bobson: then maybe something is wrong with your iso, well I tried to do an md5sum on my disc but I get this error...'error processing /dev/dvd: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error' as I thought, I know many people say you can md5sum the device directly but I've never been able to. |
| 22:17.31 | danac | Oryn: how can i see what modules have been loaded and what drivers are present? |
| 22:17.34 | y2rK | well, im now by console, and i have installed fluxbox, how i can run fluxbox ? |
| 22:17.45 | Oryn | danac, lsmod will tell you |
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| 22:17.54 | Bobson | somiaj, i am able to md5sum the dev, but i am not liking the results. thanks |
| 22:18.00 | Cy6erbr4in | y2rK, xinit fluxbox -- :0 |
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| 22:18.35 | danac | Oryn: i have an audigy and i see all the modules to do with emu10k1 present |
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| 22:18.50 | birkett | y2rk: you might want to make a .xsession file that has 'exec fluxbox' in it. that way you can use startx to start x and it will load fluxbox by default |
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| 22:18.54 | somiaj | Bobson: hmm, you just md5sum /dev/dvd (or whatever device) and it works....wonder why its not working here, I just thought for some reason it fails cause it dosen't know the end of the device |
| 22:18.59 | kombi | all generic debian box: how do you make it receive email from outside? |
| 22:19.02 | danac | Oryn: that sould mean that my drivers are loaded right? |
| 22:19.43 | Oryn | can anyone please tell me how or point me to a web page that will (simply) tell me how to post to the lkml (I've found a bug in the 2.6.1 kernel with synaptics mouse) |
| 22:19.56 | dvhart | I am having trouble migrating to the SID 2.6.0 kernel-package (686), it panicks unable to find my root fs |
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| 22:20.13 | Bobson | somiaj, you may not be a member of the group the dev belongs to. disk or what have you |
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| 22:20.15 | caphuso | Oryn: google for "lkml faq" |
| 22:20.16 | dvhart | is there something I need to change in lilo to get it to find the root fs? |
| 22:20.36 | birkett | dvhart: what filesystem is on your root partition? |
| 22:20.37 | somiaj | Bobson: nope, its the cdrom group and I'm a member of it. |
| 22:20.40 | dvhart | ext3 |
| 22:20.43 | somiaj | !tell kdslfg about root |
| 22:20.51 | danac | dvhart: is it set properly in your grub menu? |
| 22:20.58 | Oryn | danac, I dont know (I would guess so) but if its not working then maybe not, check that you have not installed some sound stealing daemon like esd |
| 22:21.00 | dvhart | danac: I am using lilo |
| 22:21.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ |
| 22:21.05 | dvhart | and 2.4 boots fine |
| 22:21.09 | Bobson | somiaj, all the way through the simlinks? |
| 22:21.20 | _Phrozen | hey, does anyone know how the bios allocates its id numbers to hard disks? I need to know to configure lilo.. |
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| 22:21.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by LoRez |
| 22:21.53 | chinook_winds | is there a 3.0r2 upgrade cd available? i can't find one |
| 22:21.53 | Cy6erbr4in | Anubody! Can you help me? Who programming with GTK+? |
| 22:22.09 | LoRez | Cy6erbr4in: #c |
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| 22:22.24 | Bobson | somiaj, i have 660 on /dev/hdc which is the actual dev |
| 22:22.27 | Oryn | caphuso: I have read the faq, it tells you how to lay out your post but doesn't tell you where to send it (thats all I want to know) I could think of many places, however they wouldn't reach the list |
| 22:22.38 | somiaj | Bobson: yup, I just checked, I'm trying it on a bought cd, and get the same error....'error processing /dev/cdrw: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error' |
| 22:22.55 | danac | Oryn: i have esound and alsa-oss both installed |
| 22:23.00 | somiaj | Bobson: the primisions seem fine, 'brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdd' |
| 22:23.11 | Cy6erbr4in | LoRez, no, C |
| 22:23.16 | Bobson | somiaj, is it a burner device? |
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| 22:23.26 | LoRez | Cy6erbr4in: I'm telling you to go to #c. |
| 22:23.33 | LoRez | not #C# |
| 22:23.35 | somiaj | Bobson: I get the error both on my burner and dvd device |
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| 22:23.48 | Oryn | danac: hmm hold on as I remember the audigy is a multi channel dev so that shouldn't be it |
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| 22:23.56 | caphuso | Oryn: wait, your whole problem is to find out what to put in the To: field? |
| 22:24.02 | Bobson | somiaj, do you have scsi emulation for ide devices? |
| 22:24.03 | bghfhfg | Where does LOG, in iptables, write the packet logs to? |
| 22:24.19 | Oryn | caphuso: exactly, it doesn't say in the faq anywhere |
| 22:24.20 | Cy6erbr4in | LoRez, thx |
| 22:24.25 | Bobson | somiaj, if so try working with /dev/sr0 instead |
| 22:24.26 | somiaj | Bobson: use to, but not any more (2.6 kernel now) and got the same error either way. |
| 22:24.44 | danac | Oryn: what was it that you were saying about mozilla earlier? i think that might have been one of the things updated |
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| 22:25.18 | Oryn | danac: you asked about apps crashing and not telling you why |
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| 22:25.34 | caphuso | Oryn: there must be millions of posts to LKML available on the net, and you can't find a single one to copy the To: from? |
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| 22:26.20 | Hyphen | Is using UDF packet writing on (C|DV)D-RW media a bad idea? |
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| 22:26.20 | Oryn | caphuso: all the ones I found have that part cut from them |
| 22:26.20 | Epicenter | Hello! I have Woody w/ KDE 2.x. I want to get KDE 3.x .. is there an easier way to get it than to upgrade to sid or sarge, or to compile from source? |
| 22:26.20 | g4rvald_ | hallo my dear linux using friends and how goes it this fine day ? |
| 22:26.32 | somiaj | Bobson: better to be pissed off then pissed on |
| 22:26.36 | ts_ | Epicenter, www.apt-get.org |
| 22:26.43 | caphuso | Oryn: then better don't write to LKML... |
| 22:26.47 | sussudio | somiaj: sgeiger likes it that way |
| 22:26.47 | Bobson | somiaj, good point... |
| 22:26.53 | Bobson | good night all! |
| 22:27.01 | ralf | What kde version is in Woody? |
| 22:27.10 | somiaj | !find kde woody |
| 22:27.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kde' (15 shown; 94 total): ebook-dev-kde20 ;; gkdebconf ;; junior-kde ;; kde ;; kde-designer ;; kde-devel ;; kde-extras ;; kde-games ;; kde-i18n-az ;; kde-i18n-ca ;; kde-i18n-cs ;; kde-i18n-da ;; kde-i18n-de ;; kde-i18n-el ;; kde-i18n-engb. |
| 22:27.27 | peterS | !info kde woody |
| 22:27.31 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.25 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:27.32 | Epicenter | Where on apt-get.org would I look? |
| 22:27.36 | Epicenter | It's um, a big site. |
| 22:27.40 | Bobson | somiaj, and i can't get the 802.11 signal to my bedroom... :( |
| 22:27.42 | somiaj | peterS: ahh, thanks...(: |
| 22:27.51 | Oryn | caphuso: I would have thought that something like that should be in the faq, all I want to do is just tell someone about a stupid problem that you get if you have a synaptics touchpad (its almost unusable) and kernel 2.6.1 |
| 22:28.00 | peterS | somiaj: both queries are useful. the one so you know what to ask for in the other |
| 22:28.02 | ts_ | search kde, find mirror and put in sources.list |
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| 22:28.13 | ralf | !info kde woody |
| 22:28.16 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.25 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:28.18 | Oryn | caphuso: I guess I'll just have to piss off the guy who wrote the driver |
| 22:28.25 | ralf | I don't have Debian |
| 22:28.26 | g4rvald_ | quit |
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| 22:28.31 | somiaj | Bobson: hmm, take out a few walls and see if that helps...(: |
| 22:28.32 | g4rvald_ | i wanna quit smoking |
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| 22:28.47 | danac | Oryn: i have everything installed that i did before, nothing really crashes, everything works except for sound |
| 22:29.01 | bitserf | quit smoking for a year and you'll have saved enough for a 42" plasma |
| 22:29.02 | Bobson | somiaj, these are brick walls |
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| 22:29.06 | ts_ | Epicenter, but kde 3.X can give you a lot of depencency problems in woody (now you are warned) |
| 22:29.11 | Oryn | danac: are you running sid? |
| 22:29.18 | danac | Oryn: yeah |
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| 22:29.23 | g4rvald | ts_: doesnt give u any dep probs in gentoo |
| 22:29.25 | dvhart | so in lilo.conf I have root=/dev/hda2 and kernel 2.4 boots but 2.6 panicks and can't find the root fs. Both are from debian SID packages. Any suggestions? |
| 22:29.25 | somiaj | Epicenter: you might want to stop by #debian-kde and see what they have to say |
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| 22:29.36 | ralf | Anyone cann tell me what version of kde is in Woody? eg. 3.1.4 |
| 22:29.49 | peterS | ralf: dpkg already told you. |
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| 22:30.00 | Oryn | danac: well I'd try putting back the old drivers that got updated in your last apt-get upgrade |
| 22:30.01 | peterS | ralf: twice. scroll up a bit and you'll see |
| 22:30.05 | caphuso | Oryn: you're a liar |
| 22:30.12 | ralf | peterS: I don't have debian |
| 22:30.15 | somiaj | Bobson: hmm, strange I wonder if the cd's I burn just on fixating correctly, for when I tried readcd on that cd I burnt, I ran into input/output errors 50 sectors from the end of the disc. |
| 22:30.19 | Oryn | caphuso: you found it? |
| 22:30.33 | peterS | ralf: but you have irc. there is a bot on irc named dpkg. it told you the answer already. |
| 22:30.33 | caphuso | Oryn: took me 20 seconds or so |
| 22:30.37 | Oryn | caphuso: WHERE???? |
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| 22:30.54 | Zapelius | argh... Where can I find the debian cramfs-initrd patch for 2.4(.24) kernel? I have been compiling kernels for 7 hours without getting one booted :( |
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| 22:31.13 | Oryn | caphuso: page url??? |
| 22:31.17 | danac | Oryn: thanks for the help |
| 22:31.24 | caphuso | Oryn: lkml faq -> section 3 (mailing list questions) -> question 3 (do i have to be subscribed ...) |
| 22:31.27 | danac | Oryn: gotta go now thoguh |
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| 22:31.34 | Bobson | somiaj, cdrecord is it? |
| 22:31.43 | somiaj | Bobson: yup |
| 22:32.24 | Epicenter | I put deb <url> main in my etc/apt/sources.list and it complains about 'dist parse', what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:32.24 | Bobson | somiaj, haven't had any problems cdrecord-ing on 2.4... with scsi emu... |
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| 22:32.37 | LoRez | Epicenter: you need one more field |
| 22:32.41 | somiaj | Bobson: and the md5sum I get from the image I make is defiently wrong...(: |
| 22:32.47 | Epicenter | LoRez: Which field? |
| 22:32.50 | caphuso | Epicenter: man sources.list |
| 22:32.54 | Epicenter | k |
| 22:33.09 | Oryn | caphuso: thanks mate |
| 22:33.17 | Bobson | somiaj, thanks |
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| 22:34.08 | somiaj | Bobson: yea, maybe one day I'll figure out why things don't seem to be working correctly, I've noticed this problem with both 2.4 and 2.6 but the files have always been fine, so its problay a fixation issue. |
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| 22:34.09 | Serbitar | brb |
| 22:34.15 | Serbitar | 2.6.1 time :D |
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| 22:35.11 | Bobson | somiaj, I burned a knoppix cd on the same machine i did the debian, and it checks against the md5 |
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| 22:36.39 | Bobson | oh, well ... |
| 22:36.46 | Bobson | bedtime hereabouts |
| 22:36.49 | somiaj | Bobson: oh well, thanks as well for the help, at least I know somethings wrong and can begin to look to fixing it. |
| 22:36.56 | dvhart | ok, I missed an error when booting: RAMDISK: image too big! (4180/4096 blocks) |
| 22:37.17 | dvhart | so the debian kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 seems to have a bad ramdisk ? |
| 22:37.43 | Bobson | have fun all |
| 22:37.48 | dvhart | n8 |
| 22:37.51 | somiaj | dvhart: I belive there are lots of bugs with that kernel, check out the bts. |
| 22:37.59 | dvhart | bts ? |
| 22:38.21 | dvhart | bug tracking system ? |
| 22:38.35 | nevyn | got it. |
| 22:38.56 | asg | dvhart: just a big one (append="ramdisk_size=5120") |
| 22:39.15 | somiaj | anyone happen to know what package the icons in gnome come in? |
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| 22:39.37 | dvhart | asg: thanks trying ... |
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| 22:40.02 | asg | somiaj: apt-cache search gnome icons (or if you know the name of one /msg dpkg find <file> <debian version codename> |
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| 22:40.27 | quaqo | Bye |
| 22:40.34 | PeterJ | Hello iam in need of some Really experienced Programmers for my Graal Clone + Server |
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| 22:41.16 | Epicenter | Does anyone know if kernel sources contain a driver for the Creative SoundBlaster Audigy? Or where I can find the source for the driver and compile a module myself? |
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| 22:41.24 | somiaj | asg: Ok, just the default icons on gnome2 seem to have a few missing on all my machines and was more wondering what package to look for bug reports on. |
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| 22:41.34 | oskie | PeterJ: try SourceForge .. or #c or something |
| 22:41.50 | asg | somiaj: hmmm, okay. I don't know offhand. Sorry. |
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| 22:42.22 | somiaj | asg: thanks anyways, I'll just start searching though the bts...(: |
| 22:42.27 | dvhart | somiaj: find one that is there and use dpkg -S icon.png |
| 22:42.33 | dvhart | that will tell you the package it came from |
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| 22:45.16 | somiaj | dvhart: thanks...duh, just having a brain fart....still recovering from last night..(: |
| 22:45.21 | dvhart | *g* |
| 22:45.33 | dvhart | glad I am not the only one |
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| 22:47.22 | jdp | how does one switch window managers with gnome 2.4? |
| 22:47.26 | The_Pope | hey all you Debian lovers... can somebody help answering a question about the installation of Debian? |
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| 22:47.37 | somiaj | !tell The_Pope about ask |
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| 22:48.01 | robert__ | does anyone know how to use xfs with 2.4.24? is there a patch somewhere? |
| 22:48.12 | The_Pope | somi > I am about the install now from ISO's, but it has stalled on downloading something from ftp.cdrom.com |
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| 22:48.29 | arauko | hahaha |
| 22:48.31 | arauko | hahahaha |
| 22:48.41 | The_Pope | somi> it has spend more than 11 retries now, and I can't seem to cancel the operation |
| 22:48.58 | The_Pope | somi > so what do I do? :-) |
| 22:49.02 | jdp | pardon -know how to switch... |
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| 22:49.56 | hackeron | hey, I'm trying to use the write command, and it says: 'write: you have write permission turned off.' .. I checked man pages but can't see anything about enabling this.. any ideas? |
| 22:50.13 | mitchix_ | I could use some help with SBUILD (setting up the chroot) there's no reall howto... and the documetion... is sparc at best... |
| 22:50.13 | somiaj | hackeron: man mesg |
| 22:50.43 | robert__ | has anyone here had any experience with xfs? |
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| 22:51.01 | hackeron | somiaj: quote from my question: ' checked man pages but can't see anything about enabling this' |
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| 22:51.33 | erisch | exit |
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| 22:52.10 | hyde | hackeron: i think that man page says precisely how to enable it |
| 22:52.14 | somiaj | hackeron: did you read the man page for man mesg, it cleary sais mesg [y|n], y Allow write access to your terminal.....so it apears that you didn't check the man pages. |
| 22:52.28 | hackeron | hyde: somiaj: mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty' |
| 22:52.41 | mook | whats a good program to message another use at a console, just one message not a chat type program? |
| 22:52.46 | hyde | hackeron: well that *might* have been useful from the start now wouldn't it? |
| 22:53.06 | hackeron | hyde: maybe :) |
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| 22:53.23 | The_Pope | somi > sorry bout the private msg... was just wondering if you could answer my question |
| 22:53.52 | somiaj | The_Pope: I didn't see you were typing to me as you didn't spell my nick out thus it didn't get higligted..(: |
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| 22:54.29 | somiaj | The_Pope: why are you trying to download from ftp.cdrom.com, what are you doing to get that to come up? |
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| 22:55.09 | The_Pope | somiaj > I'll try again... I am installing Debian 3.0 R2 from the ISO discs, but it has stalled on downloading from ftp.cdrom.com... I can't seem to stop it from retrying and get continuous timeouts |
| 22:55.10 | somiaj | hackeron: put that error in google and see what it comes up with. |
| 22:55.26 | ljlane | mook: good is subjective, but write(1) may interest you. |
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| 22:55.44 | somiaj | The_Pope: I think you are doing something wrong, it should not try to download from ftp.cdrom.com... |
| 22:56.02 | The_Pope | somiaj > I chose to install the setiathome client along with the install |
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| 22:56.25 | somiaj | The_Pope: setiathom client? |
| 22:56.34 | The_Pope | somiaj > i've tried breaks, escapes and nothing is about to cancel the operation |
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| 22:57.29 | The_Pope | somiaj > well, it's a program I thought belonged to the ISO's but it downloads that particular instead of grabbing it from the cdroms |
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| 22:57.34 | SantiagoX | is there anyway to initialize a root partition with the reiserfs instead of ext2 |
| 22:57.41 | SantiagoX | or do you have to do that after the installation |
| 22:57.59 | Serbitar | SantiagoX: start teh installaton with 2.4 kernel instead of 2.2 |
| 22:58.37 | somiaj | The_Pope: I can't think of where your at in the install and why it would be doing things that way, maybe try to install without that client. |
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| 22:59.24 | The_Pope | somiaj > do I have to start over with a cold restart or can I just get out the installation a nicer way? |
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| 23:00.07 | Epicenter | Does WOODY presently include KDE v3.x? |
| 23:00.12 | somiaj | The_Pope: it depends on how far though the install you are I would imangine....have you already got the base system installed and set up passwords for root and maybe one user? |
| 23:00.19 | somiaj | Epicenter: no |
| 23:00.22 | asg | Epicenter: no, nor will it ever |
| 23:00.32 | Epicenter | How about SID or SARGE? |
| 23:00.34 | PingLH | what is initrd for in lilo? |
| 23:00.58 | The_Pope | somiaj > everything should be copied to the hard drive... the installer was about to configure when this happened |
| 23:01.15 | asg | PingLH: to specify the initial root disk image (for kernels that modularize critical boot time components) |
| 23:01.20 | Epicenter | I tried a SARGE and a SID CD. The SID one dropped me in ASH and refused to install. SARGE had a bunch of installer options that didn't work, so it ALSO refused to install. |
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| 23:01.35 | PingLH | thx |
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| 23:01.51 | asg | PingLH: you're welcome (know that most standard debian kernels use this function) |
| 23:01.52 | somiaj | The_Pope: what was the last thing you did on the install, have you goten to run tasksel and dselect and now are just isntall packages? |
| 23:02.01 | Epicenter | Is there a command(s) to upgrade my existing STABLE distribution to Sid or Sarge? I most want KDE 3.x and the latest GNOME version. |
| 23:02.09 | dotcomguy | Epicenter: You can install woody and upgrade to sarge or sid |
| 23:02.17 | The_Pope | somiaj > yes, I am past that, and I have chosen a root password |
| 23:02.19 | Epicenter | but not from STABLE to sarge/sid? |
| 23:02.21 | dotcomguy | Epicenter: Just change your sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:02.27 | asg | Epicenter: there is (but you could also use a backport (unofficial of course) from www.apt-get.org / backports.org) |
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| 23:02.53 | asg | Epicenter: if you chose the former, /msg dpkg stable->testing or /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:03.05 | somiaj | Epicenter: you can upgrade but unless you have some skill and experience working with debian and managing it its *NOT* suggested, maybe check out #debian-kde and ask for woody backports. |
| 23:03.17 | Epicenter | I'm sorry, I have a lot of difficulty navigating those 2 sites. Would mind helping me find a *working* Sid/Sarge ISO? (disc 1 only, I will netinstall) |
| 23:03.22 | jdp | Epicenter: add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to your /etc/apt/apt.conf to change to testing , and so on |
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| 23:03.55 | asg | Epicenter: if you cannot handle a backport, you are likely to get frustrated with sarge or sid |
| 23:03.57 | somiaj | Epicenter: there are no working SID install cd's and the sarge isntaller is still in its testing stage thus it may not work in some situtations. |
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| 23:04.18 | jdp | Epicenter: and change your sources.list :) |
| 23:04.28 | Epicenter | so I am better off just using apt to upgrade from stable to sid? |
| 23:04.34 | Epicenter | or is Sarge more likely to work well? |
| 23:04.37 | somiaj | The_Pope: you can't ctrl-c or ctrl-d to stop the process that is hanging |
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| 23:04.40 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 23:04.41 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful GUI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about gnome-apt and aptitude. |
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| 23:04.47 | Epicenter | I don't need Mission Critical Stability. IT just needs to work as a desktop environment. |
| 23:04.48 | asg | Epicenter: no, /msg dpkg sid faq (and understand the pain you might be getting into) |
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| 23:04.59 | ircdevil | Epicenter think carefully before abandoning stable - is it worth it? |
| 23:05.00 | zamolxes | Epicenter, yep, upgrade from stable to sid. |
| 23:05.07 | y3rK | fuck, i install fluxbox, how i can run that now ? |
| 23:05.09 | [Pete] | does anyone in here use postfix? i seriously need some help and im getting desperate now i've asked in #postfix but no 1 is about |
| 23:05.12 | Epicenter | Well, I want KDE 3.x, 2.x is driving me nuts. |
| 23:05.19 | jdp | Epicenter: it works for me |
| 23:05.22 | asg | y3rK: echo fluxbox >> ~/.xession && startx |
| 23:05.23 | Epicenter | It has aggravating problems like how once you make a new child panel, it is unremovable o.o |
| 23:05.40 | somiaj | Epicenter: sid can make a nice desktop enviorment if you know what your doing and by the sounds of it you don't, so why not stick with stable for a bit until you get some more familarity with debian. |
| 23:05.41 | The_Pope | somiaj > nope, it just stdouts some weird characters and continues to stall... I've also tried all the F keys and ESC |
| 23:05.42 | ircdevil | [Pete] ask away in channel |
| 23:05.43 | jetscreamer | y3rK, update-alternatives --x-window-manager or --all |
| 23:05.46 | asg | Epicenter: perhaps the fine folks in #debian-kde can be more helpful in your current situation |
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| 23:05.54 | jetscreamer | not sure about the x window mngr |
| 23:05.56 | Epicenter | is anyone ever there? ;) |
| 23:06.09 | asg | jetscreamer: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 23:06.26 | jetscreamer | yeah ok that |
| 23:06.31 | The_Pope | somiaj > it waits about 15 minutes before it tries again... I've checked the ftp server from another computer and the file doesn't exist |
| 23:06.33 | somiaj | The_Pope: well if you can't kill it or switch consoles, I think you are far enough though the install process where a hard reboot will take you back to where your at. |
| 23:06.41 | asg | Epicenter: 53 people atm |
| 23:06.55 | paulswm | Epicenter: I've had minimal issues using testing (sarge) as a desktop, but I wouldn't personally go to sid. However, I use gnome 2.4, not kde |
| 23:07.07 | jetscreamer | wuss |
| 23:07.09 | Epicenter | wait, Testing is SARGE now? |
| 23:07.10 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 23:07.16 | Epicenter | I thought Testing was Woody. |
| 23:07.17 | The_Pope | somiaj > ok, I'll try that... I keep hanging in here, if it fucks up again :-) and big thanks for your answers |
| 23:07.21 | jetscreamer | woody is stable |
| 23:07.22 | asg | paulswm: I had a Tetley's for ya; it was tasty |
| 23:07.46 | Epicenter | Oh, so potato is now .. um, uber-stable. <g> |
| 23:07.55 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 23:08.00 | ircdevil | Epicenter obsolete |
| 23:08.02 | jetscreamer | so stable they wquit working on it |
| 23:08.02 | paulswm | asg: thankx! I have 4 16 oz cans of Tetley's in the fridge next to the Boddignton's |
| 23:08.04 | somiaj | The_Pope: I belive your sources are wrong, what I would do when you get a working console is rm /etc/apt/sources.list then run apt-setup and either add inet soruces or have it scan your cd's. |
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| 23:08.08 | asg | Epicenter: deprecated and likely to not be supported for very much longer :) |
| 23:08.19 | Epicenter | brb, I'll get back into Woody and prepare to upgrade to sarge. |
| 23:08.22 | asg | paulswm: nice, the pub has it on tap which is not a bad thing for NC |
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| 23:08.28 | The_Pope | somiaj > i'll check that out |
| 23:08.33 | paulswm | asg: pretty darn good |
| 23:08.34 | unknownq | i'm not getting sound on 2.6.1 with my via8235 card. any hints? |
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| 23:08.53 | ircdevil | apt tell paulswm about audio |
| 23:08.55 | asg | paulswm: yeah, I can remember drinking it with my grandfather at his club many years ago |
| 23:09.22 | paulswm | ircdevil: wtf was that about |
| 23:09.25 | [Pete] | I'm using postfix with virtual domains via MySQL, i kinda pissed about and now its totally fucked up. When sending an email to 1 of the mailboxes it first bounced back with Recipient address rejected: Access denied i then edited the smtp line to use smtpd -v and now it reports Relay access denied, could someone point me in the right direction |
| 23:09.29 | mechan0r | I use a mix of stable/testing/unstable/experimental |
| 23:09.31 | somiaj | unknownq: have you turned the volume up with a mixer? |
| 23:09.34 | asg | paulswm: tab autocompletion foul |
| 23:09.35 | jdp | paulswm: I noticed you have pretty much the same setup as I - How do you switch window managers? |
| 23:09.36 | mechan0r | the flipping lists of packages is 39Megs |
| 23:09.38 | unknownq | somiaj, yup |
| 23:09.56 | ircdevil | paulswm rudimentary audio help. |
| 23:09.58 | paulswm | jdp: I don't. happy with metacity |
| 23:10.07 | mechan0r | flwm is slick |
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| 23:10.21 | mitchix_ | mechan0r: is there a good HOWTO/readme for using a mix?? |
| 23:10.22 | asg | ~punish work for turning a very simple student mailing into a nightmare with four mutually exclusive possibilities |
| 23:10.29 | | ACTION stabs work for turning a very simple student mailing into a nightmare with four mutually exclusive possibilities |
| 23:10.29 | somiaj | flwm? |
| 23:10.34 | somiaj | haven't heard of that one before...(: |
| 23:10.38 | [Pete] | ircdevil : said it, and no 1 replies :P |
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| 23:10.59 | epicenter | OK, I am in Woody now .. what do I do to Upgrade to Sarge again? |
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| 23:11.02 | epicenter | what do I add to sources.list? |
| 23:11.11 | asg | epicenter: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 23:11.14 | jdp | paulswm - dagnabit, I want to try it, but I have sawfish and I cannot get anything else to work. |
| 23:11.27 | paulswm | asg: I'm cooking fish, chips and mushy peas for me and my better half tonight |
| 23:11.33 | ircdevil | [Pete] i see, but i dont know the answer. maybe somebody else will. |
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| 23:11.39 | mechan0r | mitchix just add the deb/deb-src lines and lookout |
| 23:11.40 | ircdevil | [Pete] /msg apt ask |
| 23:11.43 | somiaj | epicenter: word of warning, only upgrade if you know what you are doing as sarge is called testing for a reason. |
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| 23:11.52 | asg | paulswm: aw, nice! I had bangers and mash a few days ago :) |
| 23:11.53 | jdp | paulswm: such a pain sometimes :) |
| 23:12.03 | ircdevil | now what is flwm? |
| 23:12.12 | wcs | eh, somebody needs to change the topic 2.2 is not vunerable |
| 23:12.17 | paulswm | jdp: that's one reason why I don't switch window managers :) |
| 23:12.17 | mechan0r | fast light toolkit wm |
| 23:12.20 | epicenter | So, Testing does NOT contain KDE v3.x? |
| 23:12.25 | somiaj | ircdevil: apt-cache search flwm, 'flwm - Fast Light Window Manager' |
| 23:12.40 | ircdevil | somiaj and how does that differ from fvwm |
| 23:12.46 | somiaj | it was just so close to fvwm that I was a bit confused for a second. |
| 23:12.49 | asg | wcs: has that been definitively confirmed or are you just assuming because only 2.4 is mentioned? |
| 23:12.50 | jdp | paulswm: right. I know. funny I should tell epicenter to go ahead to testing |
| 23:12.56 | mechan0r | ircdevil in so many ways |
| 23:13.05 | paulswm | jdp: :> |
| 23:13.10 | jdp | when I could switch at will in stable and then lost that ability in testing :) |
| 23:13.17 | somiaj | ircdevil: I've never used it so I don't know what is different in it, but the name is different fvwm = f* virtuial window manager. |
| 23:13.23 | ircdevil | mechan0r screenshot? |
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| 23:13.24 | epicenter | Does TESTING contain KDE v3.x? |
| 23:13.25 | wcs | asg, according to the people on lkml, it is not, and if you look at the link in the topic it say it is not |
| 23:13.26 | epicenter | Or 2.x? |
| 23:13.42 | ircdevil | somiaj i use fvwm - and i always will |
| 23:13.50 | wcs | asg the people who put it out were wrong and later corrected themselves |
| 23:13.58 | asg | wcs: okay, ask one of the channel ops to change it. |
| 23:13.59 | mechan0r | sideways title bar |
| 23:14.04 | somiaj | ircdevil: fvwm/gnome mix here |
| 23:14.11 | epicenter | kde/icewm. |
| 23:14.18 | wcs | asg, rsion 2.2 is not affected by this bug, since it doesn't support the MREMAP_FIXED |
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| 23:14.31 | jdp | epicenter: go here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/ and find out |
| 23:14.34 | ircdevil | somiaj yes, i use gnome-panel with fvwm, but no more gnome than that |
| 23:14.36 | somiaj | asg: intersting mix...(: |
| 23:14.52 | asg | somiaj: yeah, I love Children of Bodom too |
| 23:14.54 | mechan0r | flwm/ROX desktop |
| 23:14.55 | somiaj | ircdevil: I use the panel + session manager |
| 23:15.09 | mechan0r | er ROX Session too |
| 23:15.12 | asg | somiaj: though I play Classical Guitar from time to time too so *shrug* |
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| 23:15.31 | ircdevil | apt troutsmack asg |
| 23:15.33 | | ircdevil: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:15.34 | jdp | epicenter: you can also use apt to install from the testing branc with the '-t testing' switch on apt-get |
| 23:15.41 | somiaj | ircdevil: though I also use fvwm-themes as I'm to lazy to dive into the fvwm configur scripts...(: |
| 23:15.44 | asg | !penixsmite ircdevil |
| 23:16.00 | paulswm | lol |
| 23:16.10 | udo | somiaj tnx for the info, it made the hd work |
| 23:16.11 | asg | paulswm: the bots have been schizo for a while now |
| 23:16.12 | ircdevil | !abuse asg |
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| 23:16.24 | asg | !penixstrike ircdevil |
| 23:16.25 | dpkg | Don't do that. |
| 23:16.26 | somiaj | udo: your welcome (already forgot what he said) |
| 23:16.39 | paulswm | asg: strange |
| 23:16.42 | jdp | you still have to change your apt.conf and your sources.list though, and keeping a mixed system you have to have the line I gave you earlier in, but set to "stable" if you keep woody |
| 23:16.57 | ircdevil | ~penixsmack asg |
| 23:17.04 | asg | ravenbird: tell ircdevil to shut the fuck up |
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| 23:17.16 | asg | paulswm: we have an over abundance of bots these days |
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| 23:17.21 | somiaj | jdb: you could also suggest looking into pinning for mixed systems, though mixing things usually isn't suggested. |
| 23:17.26 | paulswm | asg: yes, I've noticed |
| 23:17.41 | asg | ircdevil: dunno what's worse, you not getting told or being called an invalid target :) |
| 23:17.47 | somiaj | check out #debian-bots (: |
| 23:17.51 | ircdevil | asg heh |
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| 23:18.07 | linxuz3r | anyone here use gxine with mozilla |
| 23:18.09 | jdp | epicenter: do you follow what I am saying? |
| 23:18.12 | asg | somiaj: I'd rather stick my head in a bucket of water |
| 23:18.27 | grib | what's the package that lets you tell dpkg "I have locally installed something that provides package X"? |
| 23:18.36 | caphuso | grib: equivs |
| 23:18.41 | grib | thx |
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| 23:18.50 | udo | you recommed me to make /boot at the begining of an old hard disk, however the box is so old that it goes very slow, or may be it's my fault (probably) |
| 23:18.52 | jdp | somiaj: never heard of pinning |
| 23:18.55 | paulswm | asg: well doing that would get rid of the pleasant Tetley's effect |
| 23:19.00 | asg | grrr, instead of getting the critical requirements I need from work, I've got spam from Outpost and an invitation to try a Penis Patch :) |
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| 23:19.25 | asg | paulswm: true; still, I've some stuff in the fridge so all is well. |
| 23:19.27 | somiaj | jdp: /msg dpkg pinning, it allows you to weight different sources so you can have them all in your list, but can control which ones are defaults to use. |
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| 23:20.15 | jdp | somiaj: sorry - /msg do I do that in the typing area of my irc client? |
| 23:20.18 | somiaj | udo: ahh well I'm glad it worked....(: |
| 23:20.23 | somiaj | jdp: correct |
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| 23:20.50 | jdp | somiaj: I justs started using irc again after a long battle with ircII. yuck. :) |
| 23:21.28 | gratuit | would running a hard disk while it is standing on it's side damage it? ( over a period of time I mean) |
| 23:21.32 | grib | anybody installed alsa 1.0.1 happily on a debian system? |
| 23:21.44 | ircdevil | gratuit should not |
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| 23:22.16 | somiaj | !tell grib about polls |
| 23:22.20 | paulswm | jdp: pinning reminds me of the mediaeval maps where there was a blank space labelled "here be dragons" |
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| 23:22.29 | argonel | gratuit: a long time ago, i had one that started out life on its side.. there after it only ran will on its side, otherwise it had lots of errors |
| 23:22.38 | ircdevil | paulswm heh! |
| 23:22.44 | paulswm | ircdevil: :> |
| 23:23.06 | jdp | while I'm at adding questions to the mix - how do I get x-chat to highlight my nick in the text area? |
| 23:23.16 | jdp | somiaj: hehe. yeah, it felt like it too |
| 23:23.34 | ircdevil | jdp its prolly in the faq |
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| 23:23.54 | jdp | somiaj: I had such a good feeling when I finally switched over from mixed stable/testing to testing |
| 23:23.55 | somiaj | jdp: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> is a valuable place to look for things as well. |
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| 23:24.06 | jdp | ircdevil: thanks |
| 23:24.27 | tacos | jdp pfft, sid is the way to get things done. |
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| 23:24.46 | somiaj | jdp: yea I prefer to run sid as opposed to testing, testing is always somewhere in the middle and I found out I was usually grabing sid packages anyways... |
| 23:24.50 | jdp | tacos: can you prove it? :) |
| 23:25.00 | ircdevil | biodermic? sounds like some skin cure |
| 23:25.05 | tacos | jdp, nope can't prove it ;) |
| 23:25.31 | somiaj | tacos: I don't know, you could use a 'forced proof' with a baseball bat...(: |
| 23:25.42 | jetscreamer | testing |
| 23:25.44 | jetscreamer | Main Entry: mis·lead |
| 23:25.46 | jetscreamer | Pronunciation: "mis-'lEd |
| 23:25.48 | jetscreamer | Function: verb |
| 23:25.49 | jetscreamer | Inflected Form(s): mis·led /-'led/; -lead·ing |
| 23:25.51 | jetscreamer | Date: before 12th century |
| 23:25.52 | jetscreamer | transitive senses : to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit |
| 23:25.54 | jetscreamer | intransitive senses : to lead astray |
| 23:25.55 | jetscreamer | synonym see DECEIVE |
| 23:25.57 | jetscreamer | - mis·lead·er noun |
| 23:25.59 | jetscreamer | - mis·lead·ing·ly /-'lE-di[ng]-lE/ adverb |
| 23:26.00 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 23:26.03 | jetscreamer | no kick |
| 23:26.08 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 23:26.17 | somiaj | jetscreamer: that's enough spam from you! /msg dpkg enter |
| 23:26.23 | ircdevil | jetscreamer yeah, but perfectly close to a trolling ban |
| 23:26.27 | asg | !seen debhelper |
| 23:26.27 | AgentDave | debhelper is right here, asg |
| 23:26.28 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'debhelper', asg |
| 23:26.30 | paulswm | jetscreamer: slow flood? |
| 23:26.31 | argonel | in which packages.debian.org category would i find kernel-source packages? |
| 23:26.35 | jetscreamer | hey it wasn't spam it was a scientific experiment |
| 23:26.37 | jdp | somiaj: taco: it sounds like I'm at the gateway drug here. :) |
| 23:26.47 | freyr_ | what key to press on startup to type linux single ? |
| 23:26.51 | jetscreamer | chatzilla feature |
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| 23:27.07 | asg | jetscreamer: you are still a +b candidate though :) |
| 23:27.12 | paulswm | jetscreamer: someone ought to shoot whoever thought that feature up |
| 23:27.21 | tacos | jdp well, I know a lot of people perfectly happy with testing. For me, unstable is the only way to have fun. |
| 23:27.22 | ircdevil | jetscreamer you annoyed 618 users |
| 23:27.36 | freyr_ | I need to start linux but prevent X from starting (IT CRASHES MY MACHINE) Any ideas? |
| 23:27.50 | somiaj | jdp: yup, it all stared when you added that first testing package to your stable install, soon enough you'll be mixing sid with experimental packages and cvs compiles... |
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| 23:27.55 | caphuso | freyr_: boot into single user mode |
| 23:28.00 | ircdevil | freyr_ are you running xdm, kdm or gdm, then remove |
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| 23:28.08 | jdp | argine: tried apt-cache search kernel-package yet? |
| 23:28.20 | freyr_ | ircdevil: i catn start my machine ... it crashes b4 i can |
| 23:28.24 | jdp | somiaj: yeah, i already mixed up with gimp2.0pre |
| 23:28.25 | paulswm | jetscreamer: do *not* put on the ring |
| 23:28.25 | epicenter | is Sid nightmarishly unstable? Or does it work well enough for day to day desktop OS use? |
| 23:28.32 | tacos | jetscreamer you're lucky. There must be the 'nice flu' infecting the ops tonight... |
| 23:28.33 | epicenter | I don't need it to manage a nuclear reactor or anything ;P |
| 23:28.36 | jdp | somiaj: and mplayer (kinda) |
| 23:28.36 | freyr_ | caphuso: what is the key to hold so i can issue the command? |
| 23:28.45 | caphuso | freyr_: what's your bootloader? |
| 23:28.46 | ircdevil | freyr_ theres a key-combo to start without x - anyone? |
| 23:28.56 | argonel | jdp: are you speaking to me? <jdp> argine: tried apt-cache search kernel-package yet? |
| 23:29.00 | freyr_ | caphuso: default from debian-installer... I think its lilo |
| 23:29.03 | ircdevil | for lilo its ctrl i think |
| 23:29.03 | caphuso | freyr_: shift |
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| 23:29.12 | freyr_ | caphuso: thanks |
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| 23:29.19 | jdp | tacos: yeah, I hear you. once I get the other box up I'll be care-free with this one |
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| 23:29.29 | ircdevil | close enough (1 cm) |
| 23:29.31 | jetscreamer | yes lilo is the default |
| 23:29.54 | tacos | jdp well, I must admit that I no longer upgrade my unstable boxes every day. I usually check here first before I do big upgrades. |
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| 23:30.16 | jetscreamer | ircdevil, touch /etc/X11/default-display-manager or empty the existing one out |
| 23:30.19 | paulswm | testing distro is exciting enough for me |
| 23:30.20 | kaplanfx | is there a readme or howto around on how to install the 2.6.0 kernel using the kernel-image package and apt? |
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| 23:31.19 | somiaj | kaplanfx: install the kernel-image and check out /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-<whatever> should be enough. |
| 23:31.24 | jdp | tacos: or that themes were pretty for comercial UNIX |
| 23:31.28 | jetscreamer | kaplanfx, most important thing is to make sure youhave an initrd=/initrd.img in your lilo.conf and you run lilo after you install the kernel but before you reboot |
| 23:31.43 | kaplanfx | somiaj: when I installed a test kernel I ran into serious problems |
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| 23:31.53 | ircdevil | kaplanfx i have not been able to build the 2.6 kernel with make-kpkg - all sorts of compile errors occured |
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| 23:32.06 | tacos | paulswm heh, my new job calls me a "Sun Administrator". The first time a vendor has been a part of my title. |
| 23:32.10 | kaplanfx | kpkg? |
| 23:32.15 | jetscreamer | the tests worked fine |
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| 23:32.21 | somiaj | kaplanfx: the kernels are really new, unless you have a fairly good clue what your doning I wouldn't use them yet. |
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| 23:32.23 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg |
| 23:32.28 | huwr | okay |
| 23:32.30 | epicenter | Is Compiling Emacs21 supposed to take forever and a day on a 2.8 GHz CPU? o.o |
| 23:32.30 | huwr | hi |
| 23:32.31 | ircdevil | apt tell kaplanfx about kpkg |
| 23:32.34 | kaplanfx | my system wouldn't reboot, got a kernel panic |
| 23:32.40 | mitchix_ | on the subject of debian 2.6.0-1 kernel... the only way i could get mine to boot was to add ramdisk_size=16384 |
| 23:32.49 | polux | hi |
| 23:32.52 | kaplanfx | thanks ircdevil |
| 23:32.53 | ircdevil | kaplanfx never mind - i meant make-kpkg |
| 23:32.54 | jetscreamer | yeah the deb borked fo rme too... but i compiled my own and it worked fine |
| 23:32.56 | asg | jetscreamer: the ramdisk issue? |
| 23:33.07 | tacos | epicenter interesting. Why a compile as opposed to a .deb? |
| 23:33.21 | jdp | kaplanfx: check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc/ for a great kernel install readthrough |
| 23:33.21 | Saw^ | Would reiserfs be a good filesystem for normal use? My computer crashes pretty often sometimes and at least ext2 doesn't quite like it |
| 23:33.22 | jdp | kaplanfx: I swear by it |
| 23:33.35 | caphuso | Saw^: only if you make daily and complete backups |
| 23:33.36 | ircdevil | Saw^ ext3 should be more stable |
| 23:33.39 | kaplanfx | jdp: does it discuss 2.6? |
| 23:33.41 | polux | i've installed the 2.6 kernel-image but i get an "image too big" apparently, the initrd.img is too small |
| 23:33.45 | polux | can i fix it ? |
| 23:33.46 | jetscreamer | asg, i suspect yes but dunno. however you just confirmed my unspoked suspicions |
| 23:33.53 | tacos | Saw^ im sure ReiserFS would be fine, but for convenience ext3 may be an option. |
| 23:33.53 | mitchix_ | jetscreamer: i was going to rebuild.. but read the messages and saw that it was notloading the disk-image |
| 23:33.55 | jetscreamer | polux, yeah that |
| 23:34.04 | asg | polux: check the bts (append="ramdisk_size=5120" is the suggested fix) |
| 23:34.11 | jetscreamer | iirc i put ramdisk support in and it worked, not sure |
| 23:34.14 | paulswm | Saw^: I agree with ircdevil, ext3's the safest |
| 23:34.20 | jdp | kaplanfx: never used it for that, so I don't think so. |
| 23:34.25 | hckz4u | help, i need to know how to switch my sound module from i810_audio to nvaudio |
| 23:34.32 | polux | jetscreamer: , asg : thanks ! |
| 23:34.38 | ircdevil | hckz4u modconf? |
| 23:34.38 | caphuso | hckz4u: no, you don't |
| 23:34.43 | kaplanfx | jdp: its really old, 2001 |
| 23:34.49 | jetscreamer | 5120 eh. i just compiled one for another box and had 4096. will test. |
| 23:34.53 | hckz4u | yes i do, i want spdif out |
| 23:35.02 | mitchix_ | asg: lol i have 2gig's ram.. and wanted to make sure it loaded... i'll update to 512 thank's |
| 23:35.29 | asg | jetscreamer: that is the suggested fix, other values may work (I can confirm that 5120 does on my laptop) |
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| 23:35.29 | asg | mitchix_: :) you're welcome |
| 23:35.29 | caphuso | hckz4u: the nforce audio chip is just a i810 one with changed PCI IDs |
| 23:35.35 | jetscreamer | hey if i change from oss sound to alsa sound will that mess with the sound in like gnome? |
| 23:35.40 | Saw^ | Well imho ext3 seems a good option too |
| 23:35.45 | hckz4u | yes, but no spdif output |
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| 23:35.55 | hckz4u | believe me i have used it many a many a times |
| 23:36.09 | tacos | nite |
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| 23:36.15 | mitchix_ | it's amazing what happens when you read the messages... lol |
| 23:36.18 | tacos | fellow sun admin |
| 23:36.22 | jdp | kaplanfx: there is a newer one I though |
| 23:36.24 | jdp | thought |
| 23:36.34 | paulswm | cya jetscreamer |
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| 23:36.49 | plus | anybody else getting "modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" a bunch of times in kernel 2.6.x? |
| 23:36.52 | asg | polux: night |
| 23:37.00 | asg | polux: sorry, my mistake |
| 23:37.06 | ircdevil | plus try google with the error message |
| 23:37.11 | polux | asg : ramdisk=8192 |
| 23:37.16 | polux | asg: in the bts |
| 23:37.28 | asg | polux: that's new then (t'was 5120 when last I checked) |
| 23:37.39 | polux | asg: can i put this line somewhere in lilo or should i type it each time ? |
| 23:37.49 | jetscreamer | so i give up 8k mem or don't use initrd |
| 23:37.58 | jetscreamer | why use initrd besides portability? |
| 23:38.01 | michal | does anyone know of any existing program that can replace all html tags for symbols such as ampersand (and any others) with those symbols? |
| 23:38.02 | mitchix_ | polux: is it ramdisk= or ramdisk_size= ???? (i'm using ramdisk_size=16384 works for me) |
| 23:38.22 | polux | mitchix_: yes but where ? in the vmlinuz stanza ? |
| 23:38.25 | ircdevil | michal perl? sed? |
| 23:38.46 | jetscreamer | .config? |
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| 23:38.58 | asg | polux: you need an 'append="ramdisk_size=..."' line in the lilo block |
| 23:39.02 | michal | ircdevil: so you're going to write it for me? or were you not able to understand the "existing programs" part of the question? |
| 23:39.03 | mitchix_ | polux: lilo in the append command... grub edit menu.lst and add it after the other kernel options |
| 23:39.05 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:39.23 | mitchix_ | what asg said.... |
| 23:39.24 | polux | asg, mitchix_: ok |
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| 23:39.45 | jetscreamer | gee how nice |
| 23:39.50 | asg | jetscreamer: one would use initrd to have modular items for things like ext2/3 and chipset drivers, etc. |
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| 23:40.27 | ircdevil | michal how did you end up with html symbols? if you parse using lynx --dump all is well afaik |
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| 23:42.28 | toothpick | I did a dpkg --clear-avail because a source list I had was not being used, and the ruby kernel was still showing up...now it seems my apt-get upgrade is broken...quickfix please? |
| 23:43.25 | jetscreamer | toothpick, edit /etc/apt/sources.list maybe then apt-get update |
| 23:43.44 | ircdevil | toothpick sometimes apt-get dist-upgrade works better than ordinary upgrade ... (i cant tell you the difference) |
| 23:43.46 | toothpick | jetscreamer, that is what is throwing me off..the apt-get update works perfect. |
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| 23:43.58 | toothpick | but then no files are found during the apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:44.13 | TheDracle | Does anybody know what module I would need to install to work with a USR 56k modem? |
| 23:44.14 | jetscreamer | !dselect toothpick |
| 23:44.30 | ircdevil | toothpick your sources.list is valid? |
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| 23:45.06 | jdp | TheDracle: 'slow_internet_connection.so' just kidding :) |
| 23:45.18 | TheDracle | jdp: Heh, I think it's isa-pnp or something. |
| 23:45.20 | freyr_ | anyone got a radeon 9200se working under debian using the xfree86 drivers? i.e. not the ati binaries? |
| 23:45.25 | TheDracle | jdp: I'm used to it getting auto-detected.. |
| 23:45.37 | jdp | TheDracle: dunno, but I have to take my one opportunity to be funny |
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| 23:45.55 | ircdevil | TheDracle maybe google or try if you can spot some chipset names on the actual card |
| 23:46.07 | jdp | TheDracle: sorry - wish I did know - I'm going back to 56k in about 3mos. |
| 23:46.08 | Active2 | toothpick: hmm can you paste the output from "apt-get dist-upgrade -u" in #copypaste |
| 23:46.32 | toothpick | ok |
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| 23:48.21 | argonel | TheDracle: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html |
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| 23:50.55 | Active2 | toothpick: likes your network or proxy settings are wrong... if apt-get update is ok try other mirrors |
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| 23:52.53 | protoloco | -- Can generate and check MD5, and optionally SHA1, checksum |
| 23:52.54 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.54 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.54 | protoloco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.57 | RtroFlash | anyone have a url to qt 3.1? |
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| 23:53.54 | protoloco | hellol ? |
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| 23:54.06 | protoloco | Somebody knows what means waht i said before.? |
| 23:54.13 | peterS | protoloco: you're not new to this channel. you should know not to flood |
| 23:54.49 | Justin_ | protoloco: it means it generates and checks, md5 or sha1 checksums of various kenrel data structures, such as the system call table, and filesystem call out structures |
| 23:55.07 | de | thats what md5sum does |
| 23:55.23 | toothpick | THanks for those who were helping, the upgrade is working now. |
| 23:55.30 | Justin_ | no, thats not what md5sum does |
| 23:55.33 | protoloco | Justin_, ? yeaht thats what i says, but in examples or i dont know, something more readable for a security newbie |
| 23:55.47 | bob2 | protoloco: /j #debian-es |
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| 23:55.54 | bob2 | RtroFlash: it's in sid and sarge. |
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| 23:57.09 | Active2 | protoloco: where do you see that ? in the kernel ? |
| 23:57.15 | Active2 | that's an interesting option |
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| 23:57.53 | asg | bob2: morning |
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| 23:59.53 | bob2 | asg: howdy. |
