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| 00:00.53 | timte | Is ext3 supposed to be in the fs list when partitioning during install of Woody? |
| 00:01.03 | sporq | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.05 | sporq | heh |
| 00:01.16 | bob2 | timte: depends if yo read the install guide or not. |
| 00:01.36 | timte | heh, ok I'll rtfm |
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| 00:01.49 | bob2 | bf2.4 will let you chose ext2, ext3 or reiser |
| 00:01.53 | bob2 | 2.2 will not, obviously |
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| 00:03.16 | Brown | Hi. Anyone know how to fined what process is using a dir? (/cdrom in this case; I want to umount it). |
| 00:03.40 | bob2 | lsof | grep /cdrom |
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| 00:04.30 | Peter2 | Hello |
| 00:04.38 | Brown | bob2: nothing there |
| 00:04.42 | Peter2 | where can i set setuid? i forgot where :( |
| 00:05.02 | JasonM | chmod +s file |
| 00:05.08 | JasonM | (where <file> is the file) |
| 00:05.34 | Peter2 | heu |
| 00:05.37 | Peter2 | is that to me JasonM? |
| 00:06.08 | Peter2 | i'm looking to a file, where you can set the setuid |
| 00:06.20 | bob2 | why do you want to make it setuid? |
| 00:06.35 | Peter2 | want to set up a news server |
| 00:06.36 | bob2 | it's a pretty massive security hole, since yuo don't actually seem to understand what you're doing. |
| 00:06.45 | JasonM | Peter2: Yes, that was to you. |
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| 00:06.51 | bob2 | um, and why would you setuid your news server? |
| 00:06.58 | Peter2 | Jan 9 21:57:52 ogy inndstart: seteuid(0) failed: Operation not permitted |
| 00:07.12 | Peter2 | i tought that was neccicary to set that up |
| 00:07.18 | bob2 | lord, install it from Debian packages. |
| 00:07.27 | JasonM | That's not setting a file setuid... |
| 00:07.36 | JasonM | Thats a function to set the effective uid in a program... |
| 00:07.43 | ircdevil | spam of today. highest is 40.2 in default spamassassin setup. beat that! |
| 00:07.46 | Peter2 | ha ic |
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| 00:08.06 | zeus` | Which package had the pg_config programn ?? |
| 00:08.09 | JasonM | The user you're running it as doesn't have the right, I'm guessing, to run as the effective ID it want. |
| 00:08.25 | Peter2 | JasonM, running at the moment as root |
| 00:08.25 | bob2 | !+find pg_config |
| 00:08.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pg_config' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_config, /usr/include/postgresql/{pg_config.h|pg_config_manual.h|pg_config_os.h}, /usr/include/postgresql/server/{pg_config.h|pg_config_manual.h|pg_config_os.h}) in libdevel/postgresql-dev. |
| 00:08.35 | bob2 | Peter2: install the Debian packages. |
| 00:08.38 | nmx | does anyone know of a way to change the resolution-changing key combination in X? in other words instead of pressing ctrl+alt+plus and ctrl+alt+minus, i could press some other combination |
| 00:08.49 | Peter2 | what debian packages bob2? |
| 00:08.56 | bob2 | nmx: you can't. |
| 00:09.02 | bob2 | Peter2: of inn. |
| 00:09.03 | nmx | bob2: well that stinks |
| 00:09.06 | Justin_ | nmx: bind something to xvidtune |
| 00:09.09 | bob2 | nmx: how so? |
| 00:09.14 | Peter2 | i did apt-get install inn2 |
| 00:09.16 | nmx | bob2: well i don't have a number pad |
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| 00:09.22 | marcm | hy there |
| 00:09.23 | marcm | can anyone please help me with a kernel 2.6 upgrade? |
| 00:09.26 | Peter2 | but while he is trying to set it up ... he can't |
| 00:09.32 | asg | marcm: can you tell us your problem? |
| 00:09.40 | Peter2 | and he gives that error i pasted before |
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| 00:09.49 | marcm | asg compiled it and installed it but no sound anymore |
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| 00:11.17 | asg | marcm: perhaps #kernelnewbies on oftc.org |
| 00:11.44 | marcm | thanx man:) |
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| 00:11.48 | bob2 | Peter2: that's a useless complaint. what *actually* happens? |
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| 00:12.05 | Peter2 | i did apt-get install inn2 |
| 00:12.08 | zeus` | !+find pg_config |
| 00:12.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pg_config' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_config, /usr/include/postgresql/{pg_config.h|pg_config_manual.h|pg_config_os.h}, /usr/include/postgresql/server/{pg_config.h|pg_config_manual.h|pg_config_os.h}) in libdevel/postgresql-dev. |
| 00:12.19 | bob2 | #kernelnewbies is for kernel development |
| 00:12.21 | Peter2 | then there was the tekst: setting up inn |
| 00:12.26 | bob2 | zeus`: the bot already told you that |
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| 00:12.27 | nmx | Justin_: thanks, that is exactly what i needed |
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| 00:12.49 | Peter2 | i tryed but it wasn't ok, so i took a look at the logs and the logs are saying: |
| 00:12.49 | Peter2 | Jan 9 21:57:52 ogy inndstart: seteuid(0) failed: Operation not permitted |
| 00:12.53 | zeus` | mm |
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| 00:13.16 | zeus` | bob2: so the ask should be why I don't have /usr/lib/postgresql/bin in my path ? |
| 00:13.16 | zeus` | :P |
| 00:13.30 | srart | dumb startup question, my LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't have anything in it on startup but ld.so.conf is setup. Anyone know how to have that read on init? |
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| 00:14.09 | ToreSB | Hey :) |
| 00:14.13 | zeus` | hey! |
| 00:14.13 | zeus` | :P |
| 00:14.13 | ToreSB | I've got a laptop. |
| 00:14.20 | zeus` | -_- |
| 00:14.21 | ToreSB | I've also got a mic. On the laptop. |
| 00:14.25 | zeus` | and I need a laptop |
| 00:14.27 | bob2 | zeus`: no. |
| 00:14.40 | bob2 | srart: ld.so.conf doesn't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 00:14.42 | zeus` | ToreSB: I had a mic on my box :P |
| 00:14.45 | ToreSB | But what I don't have... is sound sequencing and sampling software. |
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| 00:14.48 | zeus` | bob2: why ? |
| 00:14.56 | srart | oh, how does it get set? |
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| 00:15.09 | bob2 | srart: the linker reads that config file |
| 00:15.09 | zeus` | ToreSB: you need GNU/Debian on you're laptop :P |
| 00:15.19 | srart | and what is ld.so.cong for? |
| 00:15.25 | bob2 | zeus`: if it's in /usr/lib/ it's not generally meant to be run by regular users. |
| 00:15.32 | bob2 | srart: it's ld's config file. |
| 00:15.47 | zeus` | bob2: even root cannot use pg_cofig! |
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| 00:16.08 | bob2 | zeus`: stop complaining and explain why you want to run that program. |
| 00:16.27 | srart | unhh hunm now I'm more confused, it configs ld, but doesn't set the path for the system, seems silly to me. |
| 00:16.43 | zeus` | bob2 ok :P |
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| 00:17.06 | ToreSB | zeus`: OF COURSE I HAVE DEBIAN ON MY LAPTOP! |
| 00:17.11 | bob2 | srart: gah, don't worry about it then. LD_LIBRARY_PATH is ONE way of talkign to ld. the config file is another. |
| 00:17.19 | bob2 | srart: why the fuck would it set LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 00:17.41 | zeus` | so I can ask how I can use pg_config if I'm a regular user ? |
| 00:17.52 | bob2 | zeus`: *why* do you want to run it? |
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| 00:18.11 | zeus` | because I want to know where's the flag of postgresql |
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| 00:18.14 | zeus` | to compile a .c file |
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| 00:18.35 | marcm | asg there is no #kernelnewbies on oftc.org |
| 00:18.37 | zeus` | I'm making a programan |
| 00:18.42 | bluegate | hello, if i want to upgrade stable to unstable i have to install debian base system. then dselect install, then change source in sourcelist to testing and then the same with unstable. right? |
| 00:18.52 | srart | seems to me if it is configureing ld, that it should do it system wide, not just whan ld is actually being run. it's good to have the linker know where shared librarys are, but shouldn't the programs know where they are too? |
| 00:18.58 | zeus` | and I'm using autotools to make the Makefile |
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| 00:19.11 | The_Vulture | bluegate: you never have to run dselect, and you don't have to upgrade to sarge before sid |
| 00:19.12 | asg | marcm: might be oftc.net (someone else might know the correct net though.) |
| 00:19.15 | bob2 | marcm: yes there is. |
| 00:19.23 | The_Vulture | and if you have to ask, yer probably just about to get yourself into trouble |
| 00:19.29 | bob2 | srart: no, programs don't care. |
| 00:19.37 | bob2 | marcm: irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:19.48 | bluegate | The_Vulture: So i just have to change the source in sourcelist? |
| 00:19.54 | marcm | bob2 thx |
| 00:20.18 | bob2 | srart: and eeven if LD_LIBGRARY_PATH Was set for every singledir ld looked for libraries in, it wouldn't help. |
| 00:20.26 | bob2 | srart: programs would still need to run ldd. |
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| 00:21.09 | srart | maybe there not supposed to, but anything I have using libglib is failing unless I do export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/lib |
| 00:21.33 | srart | umm only one /usr/local/lib |
| 00:21.45 | bluegate | The_Vulture: why you don't help me? |
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| 00:21.50 | bob2 | srart: nwo you're babbling. |
| 00:21.59 | bob2 | srart: you installed glib into /usr/local/lib? |
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| 00:23.23 | bob2 | bluegate: if you can't figure it out, sid will hrut you. |
| 00:23.50 | asg | bluegate: and '/msg dpkg sid faq' first |
| 00:24.28 | bob2 | srart: if so, then of course you need to tell the linker to look there. mention it in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 00:24.30 | srart | no, I get unresolved symbols for libgobject various things, depending on program. If I do put in export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib it works. mostly (microscopic font) |
| 00:25.00 | bluegate | bob2: it is nod a joke but im trying now for 8 hours to install it. I installed it once and it work. Then i deletet it and restarted. But now i do always an error and i don't know which one! |
| 00:25.25 | gothtec | #su --> -bash: /bin/su: cannot execute binary file help? |
| 00:25.31 | srart | I've added the line /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf, but no change. |
| 00:25.39 | bob2 | bluegate: if you don't understand how to install sid, don't. |
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| 00:25.45 | bob2 | srart: did you rerun ldconfig? |
| 00:26.02 | srart | ummm .... <whistles> |
| 00:26.06 | srart | ldconfig |
| 00:26.09 | gothtec | "#su --> -bash: /bin/su: cannot execute binary file" <-- how the hell did that happen? |
| 00:26.24 | bob2 | gothtec: you need to crapflood some more |
| 00:26.41 | cl0ud | ;p |
| 00:26.46 | bob2 | gothtec: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/su |
| 00:27.02 | gothtec | bob2: I just found out that irc doesn't like multiple spaces, so I rephrased the question a little |
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| 00:27.24 | bob2 | IRC has no problem with multiple spaces. |
| 00:27.30 | ljlane | multiple spaces work for me |
| 00:27.33 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.43 | gothtec | bob2: /bin/su: error while loading shared libraries: /bin/su: invalid ELF header |
| 00:27.47 | asg | b o i n k |
| 00:27.48 | tam_ | does squid need access to port 3128 outside (internet) or just access internally? |
| 00:27.49 | Peter2 | ver strange, i installed inn know and not inn2 ... and it works, accept: when i add a newgroup ... restart inn ... he doesn't update |
| 00:28.00 | ljlane | tam_, internal |
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| 00:28.05 | srart | thanks bob2, you seem to always bail me out when I miss all these stupid things. I do want to say I really appreciate it. (This is like the 3rd or fourth thing I think you have helpped me with in the last year) |
| 00:28.06 | asg | tam_: only for the machines that need to use it |
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| 00:28.11 | The_Ball | is '-e robots=off' the only way to turn off robot file prossessing? |
| 00:28.13 | tam_ | ljlane: sweet |
| 00:28.18 | gratuit | is there any easy way to increase the font size in gdm? |
| 00:28.24 | hanasaki | anyone heard anything about the sarge download iso being corrupt? mine was.. downloaded and burned 3 times from 3 servers |
| 00:28.27 | The_Ball | i was thinking of -nr or something |
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| 00:28.35 | bob2 | gothtec: it's corrupted then. |
| 00:28.36 | bluegate | bob2: do i have always to change the APT:Default-Release in apt conf? |
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| 00:28.45 | bob2 | hanasaki: check the md5sum |
| 00:28.51 | asg | gratuit: decrease your head's distance to the monitor |
| 00:28.53 | hanasaki | its bad :) |
| 00:28.57 | tam_ | asg: am just gonna test it to see how much traffick i can save |
| 00:29.07 | arctic_ | Hello.. |
| 00:29.11 | bob2 | hanasaki: try rsyncing it, and don't use it unless the md5sum matches. |
| 00:29.16 | asg | tam_: also a good security measure as well |
| 00:29.19 | gothtec | bob2: how could that happen? worked before reboot, I believe |
| 00:29.24 | Peter2 | does anyone knows a little bit about inn? Can i talk to you in private |
| 00:29.26 | tam_ | asg: ooh i didn't know that. |
| 00:29.26 | bob2 | gothtec: run debsums |
| 00:29.27 | gratuit | asg: unfortunately, the font is so small it is smaller than the pixels are capable of, so words appear as lines |
| 00:29.32 | asg | tam_: you don't want random people using your proxy to look at tubgirl.com |
| 00:29.36 | bob2 | Peter2: file a bug if it doesn't work sensibly. |
| 00:29.39 | hanasaki | bob2: what is resyncing please? |
| 00:29.44 | tam_ | asg: do i want anyone looking at tubgirl :) |
| 00:29.45 | gratuit | asg: it's a big monitor |
| 00:29.55 | bob2 | hanasaki: rsync |
| 00:29.59 | arctic_ | I'm trying to port a software to debian, and I've ran into some problems,, Can it really be that there is no md5-functionality availible in some lib in debian ? |
| 00:30.09 | bob2 | hanasaki: it will fix small errors in the file. |
| 00:30.11 | hanasaki | bob2: thats a new one for me |
| 00:30.15 | bob2 | arctic_: it's in glibc. |
| 00:30.16 | asg | tam_: only the people who need to purge their latest meal |
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| 00:30.23 | hanasaki | i rsync the cd ? |
| 00:30.26 | arctic_ | bob2: Ah,, Thanks.. |
| 00:30.29 | hanasaki | cd is readonly |
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| 00:30.40 | asg | gratuit: gdm-setup might allow it (or gnome-control-center) |
| 00:30.42 | arctic_ | bob2: And can I expect that to be availible on all/most debian-installations ? |
| 00:30.43 | tam_ | asg: lol |
| 00:30.43 | bob2 | hanasaki: the image. |
| 00:30.44 | doublehp | my /usr/include lacks stdio.h ; what package shall I install ? |
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| 00:30.49 | hanasaki | oh |
| 00:30.53 | bob2 | arctic_: every linux system in the universe has libc |
| 00:30.53 | Xenocide | artic: check debian-base, I believe |
| 00:30.54 | asg | gratuit: I don't use it so perhaps someone else might help |
| 00:30.57 | bob2 | doublehp: install build-essential |
| 00:31.17 | hanasaki | bob2: rsync http://.... sargeiso.iso ? |
| 00:31.25 | arctic_ | bob2: That I know :) But libc != glibc, right ? |
| 00:31.40 | bob2 | arctic_: yes. |
| 00:31.51 | Xenocide | artic: it might be best to ask more in #debian-devel |
| 00:31.59 | bob2 | arctic_: but every linux system since 2000 uses glibc. the crypt() fucntion can hash with md5 |
| 00:32.07 | hanasaki | brb.. time to man page |
| 00:32.15 | bob2 | hanasaki: no. |
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| 00:32.37 | arctic_ | bob2: Aaah,, That sounds like what I'm looking for :) |
| 00:32.41 | gothtec | bob2: it said OK at a whole lot of files that passed by in the terminal too fast for me to see. if there were any errors, should it tell me when it's done, or will I have to go look for files that are not "ok"? |
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| 00:33.22 | gothtec | bob2: ah. silent mode. |
| 00:33.38 | bob2 | gothtec: deubsums | grep -v OK$ |
| 00:33.47 | asg | gothtec: he hasn't had his Weaties (Weetabix) yet |
| 00:34.07 | gothtec | bob2: debsums: checksum mismatch login file bin/su |
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| 00:34.16 | bob2 | arctic_: #c is a useful place to ask in future. |
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| 00:34.18 | gothtec | asg: huh? |
| 00:34.21 | bob2 | gothtec: ls -ld /bin/sh |
| 00:34.27 | asg | gothtec: nm |
| 00:34.31 | bob2 | gothtec: is it rwsr-xr-x? |
| 00:34.48 | doublehp | I have 2 compter connected with a crossed wire; when I ssh from one computer to the other I have to wait more than 1 min before I get prompted for a password ; I already filled /etc/hosts with ips and names; what can I do to make things faster ? |
| 00:35.06 | gothtec | bob2: lrwxrwxrwx |
| 00:35.11 | gothtec | bob2: hm.. |
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| 00:35.32 | gothtec | bob2: it's a sarge box btw |
| 00:35.33 | bob2 | gothtec: er, su, not sh |
| 00:35.58 | gothtec | bob2: permissions are correct |
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| 00:36.12 | bob2 | gothtec: run chkrootkit |
| 00:36.29 | UnknownQ | i need sound help |
| 00:36.32 | bob2 | gothtec: su is a setuid executable which could be subverted by a rootkit |
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| 00:36.42 | bob2 | UnknownQ: I need a hottub :/ |
| 00:37.02 | UnknownQ | it turns out my sound issues are not related to my update to 2.6.1 but instead the reboot |
| 00:37.10 | gothtec | bob2: command not found. nor does "apt-cache search chrootkit" return anything |
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| 00:37.23 | gothtec | bob2: gah. misread |
| 00:37.30 | gothtec | bob2: hold on |
| 00:37.45 | bob2 | UnknownQ: ie you didn't load the modules again? |
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| 00:40.01 | UnknownQ | bob2, nope, checked |
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| 00:40.20 | UnknownQ | is there a way to figure out a process name by pid number? |
| 00:40.23 | gothtec | bob2: "Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command" Could be vmware, tho. I am playing around with it currently. I dont know if vmware could do that. |
| 00:40.37 | daft | UnknownQ ps -A |
| 00:41.18 | gothtec | bob2: everything else seems fine, according to chkrootkit |
| 00:41.23 | doublehp | when i ssh from a client to a server, I have to wait 1 min before the client prompt me for a password ; why ? |
| 00:41.45 | chemicallyrelian | my p90 box does that too |
| 00:41.48 | chemicallyrelian | takes forever |
| 00:42.00 | Nosf3ratu | ssh is just beefy. |
| 00:42.01 | asg | doublehp: likely not able to do a reverse dns lookup on the client |
| 00:42.06 | macmouse | doublehp: network latency, cpu overhead, extra security checking, DNS lookup's.. |
| 00:42.21 | gothtec | bob2: aye, I think that is vmware |
| 00:42.29 | chemicallyrelian | so add DNS ptr records ? |
| 00:42.33 | daft | doublehp: they are chatting with stings to make a security hash |
| 00:42.35 | doublehp | asg what about /etc/hosts file ? i dont wanna run a dns server |
| 00:42.40 | asg | chemicallyrelian: yes or turn the reverse check off in ssh |
| 00:42.49 | asg | doublehp: turn the reverse check off |
| 00:42.54 | daft | I was waiting for hours on my old 486 to make a ssh2 key |
| 00:43.01 | doublehp | macmouse: there no charge |
| 00:43.07 | doublehp | asg how ? |
| 00:43.08 | gothtec | bob2: is there a way to just replace /bin/sh with a "clean" one? |
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| 00:43.40 | asg | doublehp: man sshd_config (search for reverse) |
| 00:43.54 | LoonaTick | hi |
| 00:44.07 | iceman | RAMDISK: image too big! (4168/4096) and VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1) followed by a kernel panic. Any ideas? |
| 00:44.12 | LoonaTick | how do I set apache to list the files in a current directory with .htaccess? |
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| 00:44.36 | LoRez | LoonaTick: options +indexes |
| 00:44.42 | LoRez | LoonaTick: #apache |
| 00:44.50 | xenome | anyone know why KDE wants to open Kwrite with .wmv files... I have .wmv set for gxine in my file associations, but it always seems to want Kwrite? |
| 00:44.50 | LoonaTick | thanks |
| 00:44.53 | daft | iceman: the kernel is to big for the ramdisk did you compile that kernel your self? |
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| 00:45.00 | xenome | it's always done it on all my systems |
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| 00:45.10 | gothtec | Something has happened to my /bin/su binary. I am running Debian sarge. Is there a way to replace that binary with one from apt in a simple operation? |
| 00:45.19 | iceman | daft: I installed the debian kernel, 2.6.0 |
| 00:45.53 | asg | iceman: read the bts |
| 00:45.53 | doublehp | asg: default value is already NO |
| 00:46.00 | nevyn | gothtec: apt-get install --reinstall su |
| 00:46.10 | daft | is there a debian kernel, 2.6.0? |
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| 00:46.13 | asg | doublehp: yeah, just noticed that. Do you have any firewalling in place? |
| 00:46.18 | asg | daft: in sid |
| 00:46.26 | nevyn | daft: in unstable yes |
| 00:46.27 | gothtec | nevyn: E: Couldn't find package su |
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| 00:46.42 | daft | eumm |
| 00:46.57 | VynoM | Man, I'd like to try installing sarge, but every netinstall iso I try to boot off of I error out while verifying klogd |
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| 00:47.03 | daft | i check the kernel doc for ramdisk i think there was a command to enrage it |
| 00:47.09 | bob2 | gothtec: apt-get --reinstall install <whatever_package_it_came_from> |
| 00:47.12 | VynoM | says it can't download llac2 or something along that line |
| 00:47.16 | daft | I kno there is in the kernel compiler |
| 00:47.21 | bob2 | gothtec: the four process theing is a bug in chkrootkit, basically. |
| 00:47.33 | asg | daft: check the bts (all will be revealed) |
| 00:47.34 | nevyn | gothtec: umm... do you have a /bin/su? |
| 00:47.39 | gothtec | bob2: ah. |
| 00:47.42 | bas | cdrecord -scanbus reports my writer as 0,0,0 and i can use this to write cds. but how do i mount them? isnt the device to access them /dev/scd0 ?? it doesnt seem to work. i want to relink my /dev/cdrom but i dont know whereto.. |
| 00:47.43 | doublehp | asg not really |
| 00:48.01 | gothtec | nevyn: yep. it just wont run. "-bash: /bin/su: cannot execute binary file" |
| 00:48.02 | doublehp | asg only default values for my nics |
| 00:48.11 | asg | bob2, LoRez: can you add a topic for the 2.6.0 sid kernel |
| 00:48.14 | Justin_ | bas: you kind of have to load the scsi cdrom driver |
| 00:48.15 | bob2 | bas: you need to load the sr_mod module, or else you can't mount cds using ide-scsi emulation. |
| 00:48.23 | gothtec | bob2: I dont know what package it came from. Should be one of the debian base packages, right? |
| 00:48.25 | nevyn | gothtec: it's part of login |
| 00:48.27 | bob2 | asg: it's existence? |
| 00:48.31 | bob2 | !+find bin/su |
| 00:48.32 | nevyn | gothtec: apt-get install --reinstall login |
| 00:48.32 | gothtec | nevyn: ah |
| 00:48.37 | iceman | another thing.. when I booted back to linuxOLD my usbmouse suddenly wont work. dmesg seems fine, everything is detected as usual.. Should I see some log about this? |
| 00:48.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/su' (11 shown; 31 total): (/bin/su) in base/login ;; (/usr/bin/suck) in news/suck ;; (/usr/bin/sulu) in utils/sulu ;; (/usr/bin/sudo) in admin/sudo ;; (/usr/bin/suntar) in utils/star ;; (/usr/bin/super) in admin/super ;; (/usr/bin/sumika) in x11/sumika ;; (/usr/bin/superd) in net/superd ;; (/sbin/sulogin) in base/sysvinit ;; (/usr/bin/sum) in base/coreutils ;; (/sbin/sucap) in devel/libcap-bin. |
| 00:48.43 | VynoM | Ugh... searching is making my eyes cross |
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| 00:48.49 | daft | asg : http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.1/107/Documentation/ramdisk.txt |
| 00:48.52 | asg | bob2: no, that it doesn't boot for a lot of people unless there is an 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"' in lilo/grub |
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| 00:49.13 | trans_err | asg: thats what i needed |
| 00:49.15 | asg | bob2: it's in the bts, but, as you know, no body reads it |
| 00:49.16 | nevyn | asg: that makse sense. |
| 00:49.18 | bob2 | ah, thanks. |
| 00:49.20 | bas | Justin_, bob2: ok crap rebuilding again then |
| 00:49.22 | bob2 | asg: ^ |
| 00:49.25 | gothtec | bob2, nevyn: yay! that fixed it. thanks :D |
| 00:49.29 | nevyn | topic it... |
| 00:49.37 | bob2 | asg: which bug #? |
| 00:49.42 | trans_err | bob2: might want to add something about modprobing your mouse as well |
| 00:49.42 | asg | bob2: dunno if 5120 is optimal but it was suggested in the bts and appears to work well |
| 00:49.46 | asg | bob2: han on |
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| 00:50.10 | asg | bob2: 226843 |
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| 00:50.13 | ToreSB | Any sound sampling/sequencing software for Linux? |
| 00:50.16 | bztunk | !info suck |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | suck: (small newsfeed from an NNTP server with standard NNTP commands), section news, is extra. Version: 4.3.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 00:50.26 | nevyn | quite a bit of it. |
| 00:50.31 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 00:50.33 | bob2 | apt, 2.6 ramdisk is Add a like like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 00:50.41 | | okay, bob2 |
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| 00:50.41 | trans_err | does anyone know how to slow the mouse down? 2.6.0 has made my mouse quite faster than normal |
| 00:50.41 | bob2 | ToreSB: rosegarden |
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| 00:50.52 | chrisrend | Hello all, the Debian webiste doesn't have cdrom instructions for an ibook that I've seen, can you just put the woody cd in a newer ibook and install?? |
| 00:51.02 | iceman | trans_err: xset |
| 00:51.02 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we would say so || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here [/topic #flood] |
| 00:51.09 | ToreSB | bob2: kthx. Op me plzplzplzplz!!! ffs, op me! |
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| 00:51.15 | ToreSB | bob2: :P |
| 00:51.19 | bob2 | ToreSB: uh, eat me? |
| 00:51.20 | gothtec | bob2: s/like like/line like/ |
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| 00:51.31 | asg | ToreSB: if you ever make OP, I'll switch to mandrake :p |
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| 00:51.36 | trans_err | iceman: ? |
| 00:51.42 | ToreSB | bob2: (I was joking) |
| 00:51.43 | bob2 | haha |
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| 00:51.51 | LoRez | ToreSB: you can't keep it. chanserv secure |
| 00:51.52 | gabe_ | can someon eplease help me? |
| 00:51.54 | iceman | trans_err: try like xset m 1/9 or something like that.. controls the mouse speed |
| 00:51.57 | bob2 | I don't even think I can do that. |
| 00:52.00 | gabe_ | i cant login to my ftp server |
| 00:52.01 | ToreSB | asg: ...bye bye :) |
| 00:52.19 | oigres | Any idea how to make sunrpc work with iptables. I've just opened tcp to port 111 to a certain machine and it doesn't work. Is there a module in the kernel I should load? |
| 00:52.20 | doublehp | asg no more idear ? |
| 00:52.30 | ToreSB | Listen, I don't care. I don't want op. I want to help newbs. It was CS lamer sarcasm, okay? |
| 00:52.36 | asg | doublehp: I'm sorry, I don't. Maybe debug with ssh -vv |
| 00:52.41 | gabe_ | help?? |
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| 00:53.03 | bob2 | gabe_: /msg dpkg ask |
| 00:53.15 | bob2 | oigres: I'm pretty sure you need more ports than that open. like all of them. |
| 00:53.15 | doublehp | asg nothing revelant |
| 00:53.29 | trans_err | hrm this is strange... when ever i click on something (ie. the terminal icon on my menubar... gnome 2.4 it now (as of my 2.6 upgrade) opens a good 15 times |
| 00:53.57 | TonyStark | good nicht |
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| 00:54.42 | TonyStark | i have been searching for something about 5.1 sound under linux and i haven't found nothing, does any sound card reproduces 5.1 sound? or not? wat do i need to tell to google to find something? |
| 00:54.43 | oigres | bob2: sure, and I'm also leaving RELATED and ESTABLISHED open... Usually one does this even with ftp but one has to load some ftp modules in the kernel for that to work. I'm wondering whether there are some special modules in the kernel for the portmapper??? |
| 00:54.52 | trans_err | hrmm seems like xset fixed that one |
| 00:54.57 | andycb | ok.. ive "accidentally" deleted the contents of /etc/rc.boot/ is there anyway short of reinstalling the whole lot to get it back? |
| 00:55.00 | bztunk | trans_err: hey btw you kernel boots now? |
| 00:55.09 | trans_err | bztunk: im in 2.6 :D |
| 00:55.13 | trans_err | bztunk: thanks |
| 00:55.18 | bztunk | trans_err: heh np |
| 00:55.19 | bob2 | andycb: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" print out? |
| 00:55.20 | ljlane | andycb: lucky for you nothing ships in that directory |
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| 00:55.34 | bob2 | oigres: iptables diesn't know how to do connection tracking for sun rpc. |
| 00:55.37 | andycb | bob2 3.0 |
| 00:55.50 | bob2 | andycb: then you're lying or confused, since Debian doesn't have a /etc/rc.boot/ |
| 00:55.59 | andycb | umm |
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| 00:56.05 | andycb | well.. i have debian right next to me |
| 00:56.23 | oigres | bob2: So.. is there now way to do it at all? |
| 00:56.33 | tam_ | why isn't there a /var/www/webmail/ for squirrelmail that i have configured? |
| 00:56.36 | andycb | its a directory.. /etc/rc.boot/ |
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| 00:58.02 | daft | if i do cat mremap_poc.c /* * and I see something like cat /dev/mem i need to recompile me kernel? |
| 00:58.14 | andycb | maybe some other software created it.. basically i deleted the rc*.d files and now nothing loads on startup and the shell prompt appears as (none):~# |
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| 00:58.55 | muncc2beo | is there a way to have the bots search for factoids? ie, return all factoids containing the word 'network'? |
| 00:59.08 | PingLH | I got "drivers/video/console/fonts.c:64:2: #error No fonts configured. |
| 00:59.08 | PingLH | " after compling my kernal any idea how to fix this? |
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| 01:00.15 | pingouinAfk | is there any log file that let me know when i last did apt-get update / upgrade ? |
| 01:00.37 | The_Vulture | aptitude keeps logs, not sure if apt-get does |
| 01:01.03 | pingouinAfk | ok |
| 01:01.09 | Gathond | ping, if you didn't do apt-get clean the timestamps in /var/cache/apt/archives might show |
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| 01:01.26 | bob2 | !+find rc.boot |
| 01:01.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rc.boot' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/bootpc/examples/rc.bootp.gz) in net/bootpc. |
| 01:01.42 | kjm | I have created a startup script in /etc/init.d/startup.sh I then use chmod 755 .... to make it executable. I didn't this as root, cause my user didn't have permissions. THe script is not run at start up. Any tips? |
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| 01:02.15 | asg | kjm: man update-rc.d |
| 01:02.18 | xerophyte | i have setup the apache and configured the <virtualhost ip> and stuff but when i try to browse the page i get forbidden error and on the error_log i get (13)Permission denied: access to / denied does anybody know why do i get that error |
| 01:02.25 | asg | kjm: and read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 01:02.32 | Xenguy | kjm: try rcconf if possible - it's easier |
| 01:02.39 | trans_err | is anyone else have probelems with gaim hanging, and otherwise being less than repsonsive? (in sid) |
| 01:02.48 | pingouinAfk | ok thx Gathond |
| 01:02.51 | The_Vulture | xerophyte: persumably the apache process doesn't have the necessary permissions to read the root directory mapped to it.. |
| 01:03.04 | kjm | Xenguy: thank you, will try that. asg: thanks as well. Will do. |
| 01:03.06 | run_apt | i'm setting up a dhcp server, which runs on eth1, and starts successfully... however, when I connect my laptop to it, using debian it cannot get dhcp info from my server. Also, the pcmcia card has two lights indicating when a device is connected, and neither is lit up, even though the card is connected to my server... note that the dhcp server doesn't work for anyone, but i thought the example of the lights on the pcmcia card would |
| 01:03.06 | run_apt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.25 | asg | trans_err: nope, it works fine here |
| 01:03.28 | run_apt | also, broadcast is on the server side... |
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| 01:03.47 | freyr__ | is gnome fubared in sid? |
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| 01:04.02 | asg | freyr__: the bts would know |
| 01:04.15 | trans_err | asg: just curious, but what version are you running? |
| 01:04.25 | polkah | it seems that packages.debian.org is back so the title can be changed now :) |
| 01:04.35 | asg | trans_err: ii gaim 0.74+0.75cvs20 multi-protocol instant messaging client |
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| 01:04.48 | Xenguy | polkah: topic? |
| 01:04.58 | trans_err | asg: hrmm... same version... |
| 01:05.01 | ljlane | polkah: it's not back |
| 01:05.07 | trans_err | asg: wonder why mine keeps hanging |
| 01:05.24 | Xenguy | packages.debian.org is down at the moment. |
| 01:05.24 | muncc2beo | is there some utility to re-configure my network settings, or do I have to edit a file? |
| 01:05.25 | asg | polkah: packages.debian.org (packages.debian.org is down at the moment.) |
| 01:05.41 | asg | trans_err: check the bts perhaps |
| 01:05.46 | xerophyte | The_Vulture why is looking for the root dierctory |
| 01:06.02 | ljlane | muncc2beo, edit /ect/network/interfaces or give the etherconf package a try |
| 01:06.03 | asg | muncc2beo: man 5 interfaces (/msg dpkg man interfaces) |
| 01:06.07 | polkah | ljlane: it's back for me ... I can see list of package, don't you ? |
| 01:06.16 | ljlane | polkah, no |
| 01:06.18 | xerophyte | The_Vulture i have the document root DocumentRoot /home/swtazngurl/public_html |
| 01:06.29 | Xenguy | muncc2beo: watch etherconf - it use to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf - back that up first |
| 01:06.33 | mitchix_ | when i ssh into another machine and start something sometask& then exit the ssh it kill's the sometask... how can i keep it from doing that? |
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| 01:06.36 | The_Vulture | xerophyte: and what are the permissions on that directory? |
| 01:06.48 | polkah | oh ok, it's not totally back, i just seen we can't access packages information |
| 01:06.50 | polkah | sorry :D |
| 01:06.50 | xerophyte | The_Vulture drwxr-xr-x 3 swtazngurl users |
| 01:06.52 | Xenguy | muncc2beo: s/use/used |
| 01:06.56 | asg | Xenguy: not that hard to reconstruct /etc/resolv.conf though |
| 01:06.57 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 01:07.04 | Xenguy | asg: back it up ;-) |
| 01:07.04 | xenome | anyone know where I set the application to run when KDE sees an unknown type? |
| 01:07.20 | ljlane | mitchix_, screen(1) is a possibility |
| 01:07.20 | bob2 | mitchix_: run it in screen or use nohup |
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| 01:07.31 | lbm_ | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
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| 01:07.43 | ljlane | lbm_, install module-init-tools |
| 01:07.45 | asg | xenome: the fine folks in #debian-kde might know |
| 01:07.47 | bob2 | lbm_: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 01:08.24 | VynoM | Ugh. My computer isn't playing friendly. I can't install woody from netinstall iso |
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| 01:09.07 | xenome | asg: those fine folks seem to be idle |
| 01:09.08 | mitchix_ | bob2, ljlane hmmm could i get an example?? don't know what screen(1) is or how to tell it nohup... |
| 01:09.17 | iceman | when neither gpm, x, dmesg shows any errors, where should one look if usbmouse stops working? |
| 01:09.18 | xerophyte | The_Vulture any idea why do i get that error |
| 01:09.22 | The_Vulture | xerophyte: nope |
| 01:09.36 | VynoM | I just wish I remembered where I got that sarge iso from. My eyes are going crossed |
| 01:09.38 | lbm_ | ljlane, THX ! :o) |
| 01:09.46 | asg | xenome: well, patience is a virtue; it might take a little time for them to respond. |
| 01:09.58 | ljlane | lbm_, read the info bob2 gave you as well |
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| 01:10.13 | xerophyte | The_Vulture but when i change into the public_html i have drwx------ 5 swtazngurl swtazngurl 4096 Jan 9 11:50 .. |
| 01:10.15 | bob2 | mitchix_: screen, then "program", then ctrl-a d to detach |
| 01:10.31 | bob2 | xerophyte: ~/public_html needs to be o+x, as does your homedir. |
| 01:10.32 | xerophyte | The_Vulture do you see the .. directory |
| 01:10.55 | viastar | how do i make grub recognize my ide-disk when it's not defined in bios because it's too large for mye bios? |
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| 01:11.45 | xerophyte | bob2 it has right permission |
| 01:12.05 | lbm_ | ljlane, well.. dont understand that msg! :) |
| 01:12.10 | xerophyte | bob2 drwxr-xr-x 3 swtazngurl users 4096 Jan 9 13:12 public_html |
| 01:12.19 | Xenguy | mitchix_: yeah, screen rocks |
| 01:12.34 | bob2 | lbm_: what don't you understand? |
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| 01:12.40 | bob2 | mitchix_: or nohup program & |
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| 01:13.41 | bath66 | Hello, proftpd isn't in the woody ? |
| 01:13.45 | bath66 | i don't find it in apt |
| 01:13.50 | bob2 | oh well. |
| 01:14.00 | lbm_ | bob2 msg dpkg 2.6 :) |
| 01:14.05 | bath66 | apt-cache search proftpd, return me just 'ftpd' |
| 01:14.18 | Xenguy | bath66: it's in woody |
| 01:14.26 | bath66 | yes in woddy |
| 01:14.28 | bath66 | woody |
| 01:14.33 | caphuso | bath66: you forgot to add non-us to your sources.list |
| 01:14.37 | bob2 | lbm_: it's really not that complicated. read it and tell us what you don't understand. |
| 01:14.39 | bath66 | ah |
| 01:14.40 | Xenguy | bath66: dpkg -l proftpd |
| 01:14.43 | bath66 | perhaps :) |
| 01:14.48 | mitchix_ | thank you very much... nohup found... screen i have to wait for my active to finish updating... |
| 01:14.52 | bob2 | !+info xserver-xfree86 experimental |
| 01:14.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:15.05 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0-0pre1v5 (experimental), Packaged size: 5322 kB, Installed size: 14780 kB |
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| 01:16.11 | plus | sone, module-init-tools is great for 2.6.x |
| 01:16.12 | lbm_ | bob2, well thats the problem... What to read ? :) |
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| 01:16.21 | plus | in case anyone else has that problem i was having =P |
| 01:16.25 | bob2 | lbm_: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 01:16.28 | bob2 | !+2.6 |
| 01:16.28 | dpkg | 2.6 is, like, 2.6.0 is there. Read Documentation/Changes. Don't whine if your system breaks. Read http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, or and read http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html | IGNORE the FUD .. it IS the stable kernel!, or /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:16.31 | bob2 | lbm_: ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 01:16.47 | toothpick | Hello, what do I run to reconfigure x? |
| 01:16.53 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:16.57 | toothpick | thanks |
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| 01:17.47 | plus | bye all |
| 01:17.51 | Discipulus | what are the diffs between apt and emerge? |
| 01:18.04 | gothtec | apt, be bob2 is <reply> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:18.08 | | okay, gothtec |
| 01:18.14 | tam_ | where in debian do i tell imapd to accept logins etc? i think it is xinetd or so |
| 01:18.14 | asg | Discipulus: apt downloads debian packages, emerge is gentoo's ports manager |
| 01:18.20 | bob2 | apt downloads binary packages. emerge downloads and builds sources. |
| 01:18.22 | | bob2: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | why debian |
| 01:18.29 | bob2 | tam_: no. |
| 01:18.42 | bob2 | tam_: a) specify which imap server, b) they should work by default |
| 01:18.44 | xerophyte | bob2 got the user home directory didnt have the right permission |
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| 01:18.47 | xerophyte | bob2 thx |
| 01:18.52 | tam_ | bob2: uw-imapd |
| 01:19.05 | bob2 | tam_: uw-imapd is the worst imapd in Debian. |
| 01:19.07 | bob2 | xerophyte: told ya ;-) |
| 01:19.18 | afterx | i am trying to "make xconfig" and it says "Unable to find the QT installation" but i already tried installing "libqt3c102", do you guys have any ideas? |
| 01:19.18 | asg | bob2: in existence :) |
| 01:19.30 | bob2 | tam_: but it should still let you login. check /var/log/auth.log |
| 01:19.30 | xerophyte | bob2 have you thought about, what we have discussed before |
| 01:19.36 | tam_ | i get this saying that login isn't permitted: tam@fresh:/usr/share/squirrelmail$ sudo /usr/sbin/imapd |
| 01:19.36 | bob2 | afterx: install liqt3-mt-dev |
| 01:19.39 | tam_ | * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] fresh IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:19:05 +0000 (GMT) |
| 01:19.43 | afterx | thanks alot |
| 01:19.44 | bob2 | tam_: do not do that. |
| 01:19.45 | asg | afterx: get libncurses5-dev and 'make menuconfig' |
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| 01:19.55 | bob2 | tam_: it runs out of inetd. |
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| 01:20.00 | bob2 | tam_: let it to do that. |
| 01:20.12 | tam_ | bob2: OK. i'll stop pasting. |
| 01:20.23 | mitchix_ | I could use some help with SBUILD (setting up the chroot) there's no reall howto... and the documetion... is sparc at best... |
| 01:20.30 | tam_ | bob2: inetd doesn't specify if it allows login or not |
| 01:20.33 | bob2 | tam_: no, I mean stop running it like that. |
| 01:20.45 | tam_ | bob2: ah |
| 01:20.55 | bob2 | tam_: what are you talkign about? xinetd doesn't know jackshit about logins, it just runs wu-imap when you connect to port 143 |
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| 01:21.16 | bob2 | mitchix_: it does indeed include docs that are enough to get a chroot going. |
| 01:21.36 | bob2 | mitchix_: if you're not running a bulidd, though, there are better tools for making chroots. |
| 01:21.37 | tam_ | bob2: when i try and run squirrelmail it says no login user or something like that ...that line i just pasted says LOGINDISABLED |
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| 01:22.06 | mitchix_ | bob2: hmmm i'll read through them again... i'm trying to get the whole buildd wanna-build system up and running.... |
| 01:22.27 | bob2 | tam_: yadayda. if yuo're getting that error, then obviously it's at least starting up. use "fetchmail" to test it, with some -vv options. |
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| 01:23.24 | bob2 | tam_: but really, uw-imap is te worst possible imap server you could use. |
| 01:23.36 | tam_ | courier-imap better? |
| 01:23.43 | bob2 | yes |
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| 01:23.55 | tam_ | OK i wil purge and install courier |
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| 01:24.36 | asg | tam_: good choice (dovecot is also nice) |
| 01:24.40 | trans_err | someone know of a place i can try to get my sound working with the new alsa stuff in 2.6.0 (worked fine with OSS)... do i need to install anything? is there a tool like sndconfig? |
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| 01:25.25 | bob2 | trans_err: just load the modules for your card. |
| 01:25.40 | tam_ | asg: if courier-imap doesn't work out, i'll take a look at dovecot |
| 01:26.02 | trans_err | bob2: looks like they're loaded... cmpci is in my lsmod |
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| 01:26.16 | quinten | hey everyone |
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| 01:26.27 | bob2 | trans_err: that's not an alsa module |
| 01:26.27 | muncc2beo | I have a 10/100/1000 card in my computer, and lspci says this about it: |
| 01:26.28 | quinten | i'm running debian Sid, and a few days ago X stopped working |
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| 01:26.33 | muncc2beo | 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1076 |
| 01:26.38 | dondelelcaro | bob2: heh. mutt must have chosen the wrong key for that signature... |
| 01:26.41 | quinten | anyone know of a problem that was introduced by a new package? |
| 01:26.43 | dondelelcaro | bob2: /me makes with the fixing... |
| 01:26.50 | muncc2beo | What can I do to "make it work"? Will I have to do a kernel upgrade? |
| 01:27.00 | gothtec | quinten: did you by any chance update every apt package or something? |
| 01:27.01 | bob2 | quinten: does downgrading fix it? |
| 01:27.08 | asg | tam_: okay :) |
| 01:27.12 | bob2 | quinten: what does "stopped working" mean? |
| 01:27.23 | gothtec | ~+doesn't work |
| 01:27.27 | | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:27.27 | protoloco | Somebody has used StMichael, a lkm rootkit detector?????, host ids integrity detector?? |
| 01:27.30 | bob2 | muncc2beo: lspci has nothing to do with the kernel. what kernel do you have? what sort of card is it? e1000? |
| 01:27.31 | trans_err | bob2: i meant snd_cmipci |
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| 01:27.36 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ah, cool. |
| 01:27.58 | muncc2beo | bob2: I'm running 2.4.22 |
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| 01:28.06 | quinten | stopped working means that running startx results in a frozen screen |
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| 01:28.24 | borgon | any of you experience with mod_caucho? |
| 01:28.30 | bob2 | quinten: are you using the non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 01:28.33 | luca__ | is there anyone with experience with CMOS sensors? |
| 01:28.34 | muncc2beo | bob2: its a INTEL Pro 1000 MT |
| 01:28.49 | quinten | i'm not sure exactly how long ago, because i don't log out of X very often. i'm using only generic X provided video drivers, but i have a xinerama setup |
| 01:29.00 | bob2 | quinten: does downgrading fix it? |
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| 01:29.09 | bob2 | muncc2beo: do you have an e1000 module? |
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| 01:29.40 | VynoM | Finally, I think I found a "valid" sarge netinstall iso |
| 01:29.44 | quinten | bob2 : i don't want to downgrade X, it will take other packages with it |
| 01:30.00 | quinten | not sure that there's another available version either, actually, except in my cache |
| 01:30.15 | bob2 | quinten: um, are you sure of that? |
| 01:30.50 | muncc2beo | bob2: yes, in /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000 |
| 01:31.05 | bob2 | muncc2beo: modprobe e1000 |
| 01:31.15 | quinten | bob2 : well i hadn't logged out of X in at least a week, and i do tend to upgrade more than necessary |
| 01:31.30 | bob2 | quinten: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 | tail -n1 |
| 01:31.30 | muncc2beo | bob2: /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o: init_module: No such device |
| 01:31.32 | quinten | i feel like it's my contribution to having a bug-free testing distribution :) |
| 01:31.38 | bob2 | muncc2beo: wrong driver then. |
| 01:31.53 | bob2 | muncc2beo: dunno what else it could be. modprobe e100? |
| 01:32.07 | muncc2beo | bob2: that failed too |
| 01:32.28 | quinten | 4.2.1-15 |
| 01:32.32 | bob2 | muncc2beo: does "dmesg | grep eth0" pritn anything? |
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| 01:33.02 | muncc2beo | bob2: it won't be eth0, probably eth1, hold on I'll check |
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| 01:33.11 | bob2 | muncc2beo: ok. |
| 01:33.23 | juso | Anyone know off hand how I could search and replace in files in a whole dir and sub dirs? |
| 01:33.29 | muncc2beo | bob2: no, it only mentions eth0, an rtl8139 |
| 01:33.35 | bob2 | quinten: do you have -14 in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 01:33.51 | bob2 | quinten: I'm 99.9% certain that downgrading the xserver will not touch anything else. |
| 01:33.58 | freyr__ | anyone find that there are files missing from sid like cdrecord? I cant find it anywhere. Is this a bug? I cant find it for example here either : http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/ |
| 01:34.03 | muncc2beo | bob2: The intel website says the card is compatable with linux 2.2.5 or later.... |
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| 01:34.19 | bob2 | !+info cdrecord sid |
| 01:34.22 | dpkg | cdrecord: (command line CD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 4:2.0+a19-6 (sid), Packaged size: 532 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB |
| 01:34.32 | bob2 | !+src cdrecord |
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| 01:35.06 | bob2 | muncc2beo: I've got no idea then, sorry. except maybe install "discover" and let it guess the correct module for you. |
| 01:35.32 | freyr__ | bob2: any idea why there are packages missing from sid like cdrecord? It simply does not exist as far as I can tell http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/ |
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| 01:35.55 | bob2 | freyr__: the Packages files claim it does. |
| 01:35.59 | bob2 | freyr__: try another mirror. |
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| 01:36.42 | freyr__ | bob2: thanks |
| 01:36.44 | bob2 | eh, it's in there. |
| 01:36.50 | trans_err | wow, is it just me or does alsa sound better? |
| 01:36.59 | bob2 | freyr__: cdrtools/, packages in the pool are grouped by soruce package |
| 01:38.23 | helix | wtf. i just found a computer in my front yard. |
| 01:38.39 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 01:38.42 | bob2 | RK! |
| 01:38.45 | helix | dude |
| 01:38.51 | helix | i went outside to go to the store |
| 01:38.55 | peterS | that's pretty cool |
| 01:39.00 | helix | and as i'm pulling away, i see a tower and monitor sitting on the side of my yard |
| 01:39.03 | bob2 | you defeated the evil irshman? |
| 01:39.05 | helix | WTF |
| 01:39.08 | helix | no, peterS did |
| 01:39.14 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:39.26 | peterS | bob2: he was no match for my plasma ray |
| 01:39.32 | gothtec | helix: what kind of a comp is it? have you opened it? probably a bomb... |
| 01:39.46 | bob2 | it must be a nuke! |
| 01:39.55 | helix | gothtec: i haven't opened it.. unfortunately, it's been raining |
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| 01:40.00 | gothtec | it has SARS! |
| 01:40.00 | helix | i imagine it may be useless |
| 01:40.12 | helix | is it useless if it gets rained on? |
| 01:40.17 | helix | i have no idea how long it was out there |
| 01:40.20 | trans_err | is there a permenant fix for the mouse is way too fast problem? |
| 01:40.28 | gothtec | helix: not necessarily.. if you let it dry |
| 01:40.31 | trans_err | helix: well pull it in quick and dry her off |
| 01:40.37 | peterS | could be. no way of knowing for sure except to make sure it's dry inside (including power supply!) and try plugging it in |
| 01:40.37 | helix | i did |
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| 01:40.43 | gothtec | helix: try a hair-dryer, or whatever it's called |
| 01:40.46 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 01:40.47 | helix | peterS: ha.. maybe later |
| 01:40.49 | helix | oh yeah |
| 01:40.51 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 01:41.12 | gothtec | helix: I wouldn't count on the monitor, but the tower should be able to survive |
| 01:41.53 | peterS | why have I never done this before? this is, like, really cool |
| 01:42.02 | helix | it's a dell dimension xps 200s |
| 01:42.05 | helix | sounds old |
| 01:42.17 | bob2 | peterS: twin! |
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| 01:42.28 | peterS | helix: dell has a habit of putting CPU MHz speeds into their model numbers, so yeah, doesn't sound all that fast |
| 01:42.29 | encrypt | ps: relocation error: ps: undefined symbol: read_total_main |
| 01:42.32 | encrypt | after reinstall bin/file utils |
| 01:42.34 | encrypt | :/ |
| 01:42.39 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 01:42.42 | helix | peterS: even so.. i could make it useful |
| 01:42.42 | debian | if I want to replace a string with a newline character what should I do? |
| 01:42.44 | bob2 | encrypt: reinstall your system |
| 01:42.48 | gothtec | helix: your new firewall/mailserver/fileserver maybe? :) |
| 01:42.49 | helix | like.. give it to my mom and steal her laptop! |
| 01:42.50 | peterS | helix: definitely |
| 01:42.55 | helix | gothtec: you read my mind :) |
| 01:42.57 | debian | ^V^M doesn't seem to be newline character. what is? |
| 01:43.05 | helix | peterS: wasn't i just saying i wanted a new computer to play around with? |
| 01:43.08 | asg | helix: 48M ? |
| 01:43.13 | helix | i never thought i'd grow one. |
| 01:43.15 | peterS | helix: you were indeed |
| 01:43.15 | encrypt | reinstall reinstall!!!! just some /bin's! |
| 01:43.20 | peterS | hehe |
| 01:43.23 | helix | asg: i'm trying to look up the specs atm.. |
| 01:43.39 | bob2 | encrypt: reinstall your fucking computer. |
| 01:43.46 | asg | helix: I have one (originally came with an Imagine Number 9 card) |
| 01:43.51 | bob2 | you RAN AN EXPLOIT AND SOMEONE INSTALLED A ROOTKIT. |
| 01:43.54 | bob2 | you idiot. |
| 01:43.57 | bob2 | reinstall it. NOW. |
| 01:44.00 | helix | ha. that was dumb |
| 01:44.11 | asg | bob2: he was working on this this morning (~9am EST) |
| 01:44.14 | peterS | bob2: wait. didn't we see someone like this less than a day ago? |
| 01:44.30 | gothtec | helix: just make sure it's dry. make very sure. use a hair dryer. I used that after showering my keyboard because I got coffee on it. Works great. |
| 01:44.36 | bob2 | peterS: why, yes, I do think I've been telling encrypt to reinstall for about 20 hours now. |
| 01:44.46 | bob2 | helix: I'm in shock. |
| 01:44.53 | helix | gothtec: thanks for the advice :) |
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| 01:44.57 | asg | helix: strange things are afoot at the Circle-K |
| 01:44.59 | helix | bob2: are not |
| 01:45.02 | helix | i mean, wtf |
| 01:45.07 | helix | it's not even garbage day tomorrow |
| 01:45.15 | encrypt | nobody installed a rootkit!!! the xpl just infected some bin files around /bin! firewall didnt let nobody join my box.. the backdoor listens to 3049 udp and my firewall is currently and even before breaking this port. it accepts only some services! |
| 01:45.17 | johnsu01 | helix: because i put it there. can i have it back? :) |
| 01:45.18 | helix | and it was in a weird place |
| 01:45.23 | helix | johnsu01: i'll kill you |
| 01:45.26 | bob2 | encrypt: you mroon. reinstall it. |
| 01:45.31 | johnsu01 | helix: deal. |
| 01:45.32 | gothtec | helix: considering you just wrote "HER front yard", I suppose you have a hair dryer :P |
| 01:45.49 | helix | gothtec: actually, i probably don't. but very nice of you to assume so, cocksucker. |
| 01:45.51 | peterS | helix: see if it has anything cool on the hard drive, like someone's outlook address book which you can use for sending spam |
| 01:45.52 | mentor | helix: Is it just PC family stuff? |
| 01:46.04 | helix | peterS: ha |
| 01:46.04 | asg | helix: do you want to sexistpigsmite him or shall I :) |
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| 01:46.16 | bob2 | I bought a computer at an auction. |
| 01:46.18 | helix | asg: is there a sexistpigsmite? there certainly should be.. |
| 01:46.24 | EgonStark | who says we don't need ipv6 right now ? http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5135850.html?tag=nefd_top |
| 01:46.25 | bob2 | it had 7GB of data from the TAX OFFICE ON IT |
| 01:46.25 | Justin_ | helix: maybe someone went through with one of those "If you don't get off that computer I'm throwing it out the window" threats |
| 01:46.26 | helix | mentor: i duno |
| 01:46.39 | asg | helix: feel free to add one |
| 01:46.40 | gothtec | helix: what's wrong with that? most women have long hair, and that makes a hair dryer very handy. i use one myself, actually, because my hair is quite long. |
| 01:46.41 | peterS | Justin_: or, "if this computer crashes on me one more time..." |
| 01:46.41 | helix | Justin_: heh.. i live in a house though, not an apartment building |
| 01:46.54 | helix | gothtec: as it turns out, i have long *curly* hair that i don't blowdry, ever |
| 01:47.10 | bob2 | encrypt: how do you KNOW they didn't do anything else to your machine? |
| 01:47.11 | mentor | Justin_: Perhaps it was the same deal, but with someone who lives on an aeroplane. |
| 01:47.34 | gothtec | helix: I see. I apologize if I offended you in any way. I didn't mean to do so. |
| 01:47.42 | encrypt | bob2, because that exploit is known! it listens udp 3049 and infect /bin files to listen also. just it! |
| 01:48.01 | bob2 | encrypt: oh, and hwo do you know they didn't install other stuff? |
| 01:48.09 | helix | gothtec: ok. watch your p's and q's from now on :) |
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| 01:48.28 | encrypt | bob2 they? who? the exploit?? |
| 01:48.32 | bob2 | encrypt: yes. |
| 01:48.45 | bob2 | encrypt: just reinstall your computer, and don't do anything so silly again. |
| 01:48.47 | encrypt | all google matches cant be wrong! |
| 01:48.48 | asg | encrypt: take the machine of the net; backup you're non-binary data; reinstall; and restore your non-binary backup (and lock the box down in the manner you didn't in the first place) |
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| 01:48.59 | asg | s/you're/your/ |
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| 01:49.23 | michal | anyone know what kind of a whacky href this is? <A HREF="News http://www.abc.net.au/news">ABC NEWS</A> |
| 01:49.32 | helix | peterS: you should be so lucky |
| 01:49.43 | helix | peterS: i'm really bugged out by this though. where the fuck did it come from? |
| 01:49.48 | trans_err | michal: an improper one |
| 01:49.49 | encrypt | ok thank you for the help, but im sure it didnt touch anything else |
| 01:49.55 | asg | helix: as should we all (/me looks for 6450's) |
| 01:49.56 | peterS | helix: read its hard drive and you will probably get your answer |
| 01:50.00 | helix | i mean.. did someone want to get rid of it and think "hey, maybe someone in this house likes old computers"? |
| 01:50.03 | bob2 | encrypt: no you're no. |
| 01:50.09 | EgonStark | encrypt: www.openbsd.org |
| 01:50.09 | mentor | michal: A corporate one by the looks of things :) |
| 01:50.10 | EgonStark | :P |
| 01:50.26 | asg | helix: maybe a domestic dispute that just deposited its ire in your yard |
| 01:50.31 | encrypt | why, bob2? you coded that trap? |
| 01:50.32 | helix | damnit |
| 01:50.38 | helix | why did it have to happen in the rain! |
| 01:50.49 | EgonStark | http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5135850.html?tag=nefd_top <--- good reason why everyone should be using ipv6 right now |
| 01:50.53 | bob2 | EgonStark: openbsd isn't secure if the admin runs fucking exploits on their own machine. |
| 01:50.59 | trans_err | helix: i found a box in the rain once.. dried it off and it was fine |
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| 01:51.00 | bob2 | encrypt: yes, I did. |
| 01:51.07 | helix | trans_err: ooh.. did it have a monitor too? |
| 01:51.12 | peterS | helix: how big is the monitor that is probably ruined by now? |
| 01:51.13 | helix | i'm hoping the monitor isn't hosed |
| 01:51.14 | trans_err | helix: no |
| 01:51.20 | helix | peterS: small. 15" |
| 01:51.29 | peterS | helix: heh. no great loss then, for *that* |
| 01:51.34 | helix | nah |
| 01:51.44 | helix | i don't *need* the monitor to work or anything.. |
| 01:51.58 | helix | it just would have been handy if i wanted to give the thing to my parents |
| 01:51.58 | thebug | encrypt is still un-fucking up his fuckup job on that box? haaaaaa you've been at that how long, encrypt? |
| 01:52.14 | peterS | helix: monitors handle lots of current - make double sure *it* is dry inside and out, before trying it |
| 01:52.25 | Justin_ | trans_err: water doesn't break computers really... |
| 01:52.27 | helix | peterS: how the hell would i do that? |
| 01:52.30 | helix | peterS: wait a week? |
| 01:52.41 | mentor | helix: With a hairdryer |
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| 01:52.55 | peterS | helix: ummm, dunno exactly. the hair dryer thing is a good idea, but those things are still pretty dangerous |
| 01:53.06 | peterS | helix: "those things" meaning CRTs, not HDs |
| 01:53.11 | encrypt | omg, its so simple! netstat shows me only 1 weird LISTEN and, also, its rejected by firewall... htf someone has joined my box?? |
| 01:53.15 | helix | peterS: right |
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| 01:53.23 | helix | encrypt: shut up dude. reformat. |
| 01:53.26 | peterS | encrypt: how do you know netstat is telling the truth? |
| 01:53.26 | helix | reinstall |
| 01:53.27 | helix | whatever |
| 01:53.29 | xerophyte | Does anybody can help me with exim, my E-Mail server receive the email and put in the mail queue, its not delievering email to the local user email box ..does anybody know why ? |
| 01:53.32 | michal_ | is there any way to grep against something verbatim without having to excape special characters? |
| 01:53.36 | encrypt | peterS because md5 and file date! |
| 01:53.42 | bob2 | xerophyte: read your logs |
| 01:53.44 | encrypt | im not that dumb! |
| 01:53.46 | peterS | encrypt: and you believe what md5sum tells you? |
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| 01:53.55 | encrypt | omg, what a devil trap?!?!?!?! |
| 01:53.57 | peterS | encrypt: we have been trying to tell you. this is no longer your machine. |
| 01:54.07 | encrypt | :/ |
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| 01:54.09 | peterS | encrypt: it is now somebody else's machine, and you know nothing about it. |
| 01:54.10 | xerophyte | bob2 logs says all the deliver is put in the queue does not give me the error |
| 01:54.16 | mentor | michal_: "'"s? |
| 01:54.16 | icecold | Is there a command or file in proc that can tell me my fsb speed? |
| 01:54.18 | asg | encrypt: did you keep up with patches? have you accidentally typed your password in cleartext? |
| 01:54.20 | bob2 | encrypt: how can you trust the md5sum program on that machine? |
| 01:54.20 | thebug | encrypt: shut the damn thing down man...you've been at it for what, 13 hours now? |
| 01:54.36 | bob2 | asg: he ran a apache exploit himself, which installed a rootkit |
| 01:54.37 | peterS | asg: he ran a sploit, as root, to see what it would do. it sploited him. |
| 01:54.44 | helix | what a dipshit |
| 01:54.48 | michal_ | mentor: ahh.. you're right.. i was mistakenly trying "'s |
| 01:54.50 | asg | bob2, peterS: ahhhhhhhhh |
| 01:54.53 | peterS | helix: bob2 told him this hours ago, too |
| 01:54.54 | helix | i'm glad he didn't find a computer in his front yard |
| 01:54.58 | peterS | hehe |
| 01:54.58 | mhelas | small question: at witch point at packaging a user should be created? preinst or postinst? |
| 01:54.58 | helix | peterS: i believe it |
| 01:54.59 | encrypt | alright |
| 01:55.18 | asg | bob2, peterS: then what is he complaining for then? |
| 01:55.22 | michal_ | now.. can sed handle ' the same way? |
| 01:55.22 | Justin_ | mhelas: usually it does it as postinst... |
| 01:55.28 | bob2 | mhelas: doesn't policy mention that? |
| 01:55.33 | mentor | hey...if the Gods of hardware blessed me with a gift...I wouldn't be complaining... |
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| 01:55.39 | Justin_ | but yeah, im sure the policy says what to do |
| 01:55.59 | xerophyte | bob2 which log should look for this i am looking at the exim_mainlog all emails has <= not => which mean it not delivering the emils |
| 01:56.02 | peterS | asg: because he is just sure that he doesn't really have a compromised machine, because he's firewalled, blah blah blah, so now he just wants to clean it up without reinstalling anything |
| 01:56.10 | icecold | Is there a command or file in proc that can tell me my fsb speed? |
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| 01:56.13 | asg | peterS: ah, okay. |
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| 01:56.29 | helix | asg: IOW, he is mentally handicapped |
| 01:56.42 | peterS | a good summary, yeah |
| 01:56.43 | asg | helix: wish I'd known that at 9am this morning |
| 01:56.48 | iceman | anyone else having problems with their mouse in 2.6? ..I don't get it, everything seems fine, if there atleast was an error msg.. |
| 01:56.50 | helix | !comfort asg |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | There, there, asg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 01:56.55 | peterS | oh yeah. one more thing. he's a counterstrike server admin d00d |
| 01:56.57 | peterS | asg: ^^^ |
| 01:56.58 | mdupont | update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla-cvs/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji-mozilla-cvs.so: No such file or directory |
| 01:57.00 | asg | helix: I even talked him through a busybox install |
| 01:57.03 | peterS | asg: which means he's super-intelligent, y'know? |
| 01:57.07 | encrypt | http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/vuln-dev/2002/03/msg00063.html |
| 01:57.07 | icecold | iceman: you have to enable in kernel config |
| 01:57.09 | helix | asg: shame you wasted your time.. |
| 01:57.10 | michal_ | for example.. what would be an easy way to substitute '<title lang="en"><A Href="News Http://Www.Abc.Net.Au/News">Abc News</A></title>' for '<title lang="en">ABC News</title>' in sed? without going mad with escapes |
| 01:57.14 | trans_err | iceman: modprobe mousedev; modporbe psmouse |
| 01:57.17 | asg | helix: no worries |
| 01:57.26 | iceman | trans_err: done.. |
| 01:57.27 | mentor | mdupont: That doesn't sound good. |
| 01:57.30 | michal_ | it seems to take the stuff inside the ' as options |
| 01:57.31 | helix | encrypt: why don't you just reinstall? do you have gigs and gigs of pr0n you don't want to lose..? |
| 01:57.32 | mdupont | what do i doo |
| 01:57.37 | helix | i don't understand |
| 01:57.38 | asg | helix: I was waiting for work to decide which of 2 spam versions was the best one to send to our students |
| 01:57.38 | mhelas | bob2: no, it doesnt. or i am to stupid to find it. |
| 01:57.43 | helix | asg: haha |
| 01:57.45 | mentor | mdupont: File a bug report? |
| 01:57.48 | asg | helix: I'm still waiting |
| 01:57.48 | mdupont | ok |
| 01:57.49 | trans_err | iceman: dmesg say anything? |
| 01:58.05 | iceman | trans_err: dmesg seems all fine, just as before. Finds my usb reciever and all... |
| 01:58.11 | mdupont | thanks |
| 01:58.12 | helix | asg: is it really that difficult of a choice? |
| 01:58.15 | asg | helix: they have been debating for 2 days (the mail had to be sent yesterday since classes start tomorrow) |
| 01:58.22 | mentor | mdupont: dpkg-tmp files really shouldn't be hanging around...a bug in a package build or dpkg I should imagine.... |
| 01:58.24 | trans_err | ah usb... hid prob'd? |
| 01:58.25 | GuruMuhk | Please, heeelp me :-) I have finally installed Debian, and it boots up in GDM, but the keyboard and mouse doesn't work... how can I log in BASH instead of GDM? |
| 01:58.28 | asg | helix: no, the choice is based on politics |
| 01:58.28 | helix | asg: wtf.. what's it about? |
| 01:58.32 | helix | oh, i see |
| 01:58.40 | asg | helix: one deparment decided theirs was better, another disagreed |
| 01:58.47 | mdupont | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200307/msg03354.html |
| 01:58.55 | iceman | trans_err: hid is probe'd It worked fine with 2.6.0-test9 |
| 01:58.56 | michal_ | can't sed handle matches against verbatim text like grep can? :/ |
| 01:59.02 | trans_err | hrm |
| 01:59.05 | helix | asg: oh ok.. so hopefully no students get spammed in the end! |
| 01:59.08 | asg | helix: basically, it is a simple 5 point instructional mail for wtf to do if you've never taken a class |
| 01:59.16 | helix | wow |
| 01:59.19 | helix | adults can be stupid |
| 01:59.25 | asg | helix: They'll get spammed; but only in the sense that they need the info |
| 01:59.26 | peterS | asg: is this a debate on whether it's better to offer people an 80% share in 12 MILLION US DOLLARS or a 85% share in 10 MILLION US DOLLARS? |
| 01:59.37 | trans_err | GuruMuhk: define doesn't work... can you CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 01:59.50 | asg | peterS: dunno, I'm tempted to insert something about a Penis Patch for good measure :) |
| 02:00.23 | GuruMuhk | trans_err: no, nothing... when I type on the keyboard, the cursor jumps around the screen |
| 02:00.39 | iceman | trans_err: neither gpm nor X gives any errors either.. |
| 02:01.05 | trans_err | iceman: try pluging the thing in and out (im out of ideas) |
| 02:01.19 | peterS | iceman: let me get up to speed on this. I know a *little* about mice. you've got a PS/2 mouse in kernel 2.6.1? |
| 02:01.19 | asg | helix: yes, adults are problematic when they think they have some power (which is essentially the problem) |
| 02:01.20 | encrypt | Linux.Jac.8759, thats the devil! |
| 02:01.21 | thebug | GuruMuhk: does the keyboard work when you reboot and add the word "single" to the boot command line? |
| 02:01.26 | ljlane | michal_, elaborate |
| 02:01.41 | helix | heh |
| 02:01.49 | helix | !gpm |
| 02:01.50 | dpkg | if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=msc in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol MouseSystems; seems to work in XF4 too or (see http://www.debian.org/cgi-bin/fom?file=45 also), or try with repeat_type=ms3 and X using Intellimouse, or ask for "elf gpm", or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 02:01.54 | helix | see the end :) |
| 02:01.58 | peterS | asg: why did you say "adults"? children don't have problems when *they* think they have power? |
| 02:02.01 | colby | hahaha |
| 02:02.02 | asg | helix: hehe |
| 02:02.02 | michal_ | ljlane: i thought i had. umm.. just a sec i'll reword it |
| 02:02.08 | helix | peterS: he was replying to me |
| 02:02.10 | GuruMuhk | thebug: where would I type that? When LiLO starts up or...? |
| 02:02.12 | peterS | ah |
| 02:02.16 | iceman | peterS: I've got a wireless logitech trackball in 2.6.0. Earlier I ran -test9 and apt's instructions on usbmouse, and it worked.. |
| 02:02.17 | helix | colby: did you see? i found a computer in my front yard! |
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| 02:02.37 | thebug | GuruMuhk: yes, so the command line in lilo looks something like boot: linux single |
| 02:02.46 | thebug | or whatever you call your images |
| 02:02.51 | romulo | hi , i installed apache with php4 modules, and at my pc is working cool apache stuff and so...but other ppl cannot see my webs or neither enter on it.....any suggestions?! |
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| 02:03.01 | peterS | iceman: so, it plugs into USB. should work with the modules 'hid' and 'mousedev', yeah |
| 02:03.03 | GuruMuhk | thebug: I'll try and get back if it fails |
| 02:03.10 | colby | helix: a computer in your front yard?? sounds interesting :o) |
| 02:03.26 | helix | colby: yeah! but it's been raining.. :( |
| 02:03.37 | helix | i don't think i have enough cords and stuff anyways.. |
| 02:03.52 | trans_err | romulo: try rewording that... |
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| 02:04.11 | Xenocide | romulo: got a firewall or router? |
| 02:04.11 | romulo | Xenocide no. |
| 02:04.11 | iceman | helix: was it plugged in anywhere? :) |
| 02:04.11 | xerophyte | Can someone help me with exim, Exim receive the emails but not delivering to the local box .. which mean this server has around 150 domains all the emails are goes to the queue ..does anybdy know how can i fix th ? |
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| 02:04.11 | asg | xerophyte: check the logs |
| 02:04.11 | romulo | Xenocide try it u too http://iro-floresta.servegame.com |
| 02:04.11 | xerophyte | asg did |
| 02:04.11 | michal_ | ljlane: how could I substitute '<title lang="en"><A Href="News Http://Www.Abc.Net.Au/News">Abc News</A></title>' for '<title lang="en">ABC News</title>' using sed without needing to escape all the special characters. grep for example can handle matching those strings verbatim if they are enclosed in single quotes. sed doesn't seem to be able to do that (or at least I couldn't found how) |
| 02:04.17 | romulo | Xenocide this dns goes to http://200.150.51.86:8080 |
| 02:04.18 | trans_err | whoa |
| 02:04.26 | asg | xerophyte: any errors or are things just not being delivered? |
| 02:04.30 | helix | iceman: yeah. into the grass |
| 02:04.31 | helix | .. |
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| 02:04.41 | GuruMuhk | thebug: I don't even get to try typing anything, when LiLO starts... it starts booting right away |
| 02:04.56 | romulo | trans_err rewording what?! |
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| 02:05.05 | thebug | sounds like an odd way to configure lilo to mee |
| 02:05.07 | xerophyte | asg there is no error its not being deliverd |
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| 02:05.19 | xerophyte | asg can i message to post the log |
| 02:05.20 | Xenocide | network error, it says. |
| 02:05.27 | trans_err | romulo: what you said, i'm not sure what your problem is |
| 02:05.37 | romulo | soh, thats it, my apache is opened and dont see wtf is happenning |
| 02:05.39 | xerophyte | asg there is no error but its says received then it does not have delivered email |
| 02:05.42 | trans_err | thebug: lilo, when you first install, doesn't use a menu |
| 02:05.42 | GuruMuhk | thebug: odd way? I'm no superuser... I just installed Debian :-) |
| 02:05.46 | asg | xerophyte: exim -q |
| 02:06.07 | bob2 | xerophyte: how long have they been queued? |
| 02:06.12 | asg | xerophyte: make sure the daemon is running correctly (and dequeuing) or you have a cronjob to dequeue |
| 02:06.13 | thebug | GuruMuhk: it should give you a prompt for at least a second or two... |
| 02:06.23 | quinten | hey, is it normal for reiserfs to overwrite a file with the contents of memory on abnormal shutdown? |
| 02:06.24 | thebug | I think the default is 5 for a debian install |
| 02:06.26 | trans_err | thebug: it doesn't, he's right |
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| 02:06.33 | thebug | blah, that's fucked up |
| 02:06.40 | ljlane | michal_, all I see except the slashes should be okay. You can work around those by changing the delimeters, ie.: s@foo@bar@g |
| 02:06.47 | muncc2beo | Anyone have any ideas on why modprobe fails when trying to load e1000.o when I have a INTEL Pro 1000 MT card? |
| 02:06.51 | quinten | or is it a sign of hardware failure? |
| 02:06.58 | trans_err | GuruMuhk: you may need to boot off of a cd and edit your lilo.conf |
| 02:07.01 | GuruMuhk | thebug: not even a single millisecond... should I use my installation cdrom? |
| 02:07.07 | peterS | muncc2beo: not without more details. is this for example kernel 2.6.0 or something? |
| 02:07.10 | xerophyte | bob2 around more than 12 hours just found out |
| 02:07.19 | thebug | muncc2beo: I've had no problems with that card and that module compiled into 2.4.2{2,3,4} |
| 02:07.29 | GuruMuhk | trans_err: with the installation cdrom or...? |
| 02:07.31 | thebug | GuruMuhk: may want to check that |
| 02:07.35 | ljlane | michal_, well, the dots technically need escaping too |
| 02:07.35 | Justin_ | muncc2beo: "fails" |
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| 02:07.39 | muncc2beo | peterS: no, 2.4.22 kernel - Its a brand new computer, too |
| 02:07.45 | debian | what is the newline character? |
| 02:07.51 | Xenocide | \n ? |
| 02:07.53 | asg | debian: \n |
| 02:07.54 | bob2 | debian: \n. |
| 02:07.56 | muncc2beo | Justin_: do you want to see the output? |
| 02:07.59 | quinten | i tried startx, it crashed, XF86Config-4 is full of lines like this now: __insmod_pdc202xx_old_S.rodata_L252 [pdc202xx_old] |
| 02:07.59 | quinten | d4841a40 __insmod_pdc202xx_old_S.data_L584 [pdc202xx_old] |
| 02:07.59 | quinten | d483c000 __insmod_pdc202xx_new_O/lib/modules/2.4.21-4-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/pdc202xx_new.o_M00000000_V132117 [pdc202xx_new] |
| 02:08.00 | peterS | debian: in what OS? ascii 10 in unix |
| 02:08.02 | bob2 | debian: why didn't you mention you were using vi earlie? |
| 02:08.17 | ljlane | michal_, urkk... semicolons too. That's uglier than I first imagined. |
| 02:08.19 | Justin_ | muncc2beo: no, I want to randomly guess why its not working |
| 02:08.20 | bob2 | quinten: that's nto from memory, it's from another file. |
| 02:08.27 | debian | bob2: I used sed, but Ican't seem to replace a string with a newline |
| 02:08.32 | romulo | any help about my apache?! |
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| 02:08.39 | debian | peterS: :) |
| 02:08.51 | michal_ | ljlane: so what you're really saying is that sed can't handle verbatim chunks of characters without escaping :/ |
| 02:08.55 | quinten | bob2 : any ideas on what the problem is? a bad disk? |
| 02:09.13 | bob2 | quinten: reiser just corrupted files when it went down hard, that's what it does. |
| 02:09.31 | muncc2beo | peterS: Intel offers a download for the card on their site, though it looks to be the standard Linux kernel module; its GPL'ed |
| 02:09.31 | ljlane | michal_: Yeah. The occasional regex or control character will trip it up. |
| 02:09.33 | michal_ | umm.. i guess by chunks I mean either strings or streams |
| 02:09.44 | peterS | michal_: since many sed commands operate on regular expressions rather than just strings, you do have to know what to escape, yeah |
| 02:09.46 | quinten | bob2 : that's pretty bad behavior. is it improved in a more recent kernel version? |
| 02:09.50 | trans_err | why, in 2.6, do i not have a modversions.h |
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| 02:10.00 | bob2 | quinten: don't think so. |
| 02:10.03 | Justin_ | !tell trans_err about 2.6 problems |
| 02:10.23 | Xenocide | quinten: there's a reason nobody trusts reiser |
| 02:10.23 | bob2 | trans_err: because you're using a beta kernl and are clueless |
| 02:10.23 | peterS | muncc2beo: the e1000 driver really should work with most if not all PRO/1000 chips. Intel is pretty good about supporting all models in the standard kernel driver, IIRC |
| 02:10.23 | muncc2beo | peterS: I'd try that, but I think that'd mean I'd have to re-compile the kernel, and I'm sshing in at the moment (using a different eth interface)... |
| 02:10.23 | thebug | muncc2beo: the driver that comes with 2.4.24 works perfect for that card...what error are you getting? |
| 02:10.23 | bob2 | trans_err: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:10.30 | trans_err | bob2: i have them |
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| 02:10.36 | bob2 | trans_err: kernel-build then |
| 02:10.42 | quinten | jesus fuck, i started using reiser to avoid problems with filesystem corruption |
| 02:10.51 | muncc2beo | thebug: /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o: init_module: No such device |
| 02:10.51 | michal_ | peterS: I expected that there would be some way of enclosing the string so that it wouldn't get treated as a regexp but as a verbatim string.. sort of like the ' in grep allows you to do |
| 02:10.57 | eugynon | what are the package containing lsmod and such called? |
| 02:10.58 | quinten | is there a command to sync the journal? |
| 02:11.02 | muncc2beo | /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o failed |
| 02:11.02 | muncc2beo | /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.o: insmod e1000 failed |
| 02:11.04 | Xenocide | quinten: then you didnt research it very carefully. |
| 02:11.09 | asg | eugynon: dpkg -S lsmod |
| 02:11.10 | debian | Xenocide, asg, bob2, peterS: replacing a string with \n doesn't seem to give me newline. :) |
| 02:11.12 | thebug | muncc2beo: /msg me with results of lspci |
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| 02:11.13 | peterS | michal_: ' in grep does not do any such thing |
| 02:11.14 | trans_err | bob2: there is no kernel-build for 2.6 |
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| 02:11.49 | Xenocide | quinten: i wouldnt trust XFS either. |
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| 02:11.53 | michal_ | peterS: yes it does.. for example I can do grep '<title lang="en"><A Href="News Http://Www.Abc.Net.Au/News">Abc News</A></title>' channels.xml and it matches those lines |
| 02:11.57 | eugynon | asg: well, i installed the new util for kernel 2.6.1 and i cant get the kernel to work, so i want it back >) |
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| 02:12.23 | muncc2beo | thebug: I /query'ed it to you |
| 02:12.25 | quinten | anyone know? there's something like that for ext3, iirc |
| 02:12.26 | Xenocide | quinton: XFS hosed my friend, and they have an FAQ on the subject that basically says "thats not a bug its a feature" |
| 02:12.34 | peterS | michal_: nothing to do with grep. the ' is escaping all that from the shell. grep is then seeing what is enclosed by the ''. |
| 02:12.41 | debian | peterS: how to type character 10 in command line? I want to feed it in sed |
| 02:12.47 | thebug | muncc2beo: got it |
| 02:12.51 | thebug | i'll look at it |
| 02:12.53 | michal_ | peterS: so why can't sed do the same thing? |
| 02:12.58 | peterS | michal_: the shell will perform exactly the same service for 'sed'. and sed will interpret it much the same way |
| 02:13.15 | asg | eugynon: module-init-tools? |
| 02:13.27 | michal_ | peterS: when i tried it it didn't work |
| 02:13.45 | peterS | michal_: however, sed has the additional constraint that regexes are enclosed in delimiters. so if you use the same delimiter character *in* your regex, you'll need to escape it |
| 02:13.52 | asg | debian: can you give us an example of the transformation you are trying to do? |
| 02:14.17 | eugynon | asg: yes, i installed a new module-init-tool... can i just find an old version and get it back or? the 2.6.1 kernel wount do shit to my usb mouse... and i have NO clue why |
| 02:14.18 | debian | asg: cat somefile | sed -e 's/sometext/(newline)/g' |
| 02:14.20 | michal_ | peterS: well ' isn't in there as far as i can see |
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| 02:14.44 | Poprocks | does anyone know if changing the sleep state in acpi is supposed to work right away, or only when idle for an amount of time? |
| 02:15.07 | peterS | michal_: I'm not talking about '. I'm talking about whatever you use in your sed command. I don't even know *what* sed command you are running, yet. |
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| 02:15.12 | toad | can anyone help me with a broken samba? it was working, but now it isn't, and it's complaining about /var/run/samba/connections.tdb not existing |
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| 02:15.42 | peterS | michal_: but for example the sed "delete line" command is "d/regex/". where / is the delimiter. you could express it as d/regex/ or d_regex_ or d,regex, or whatever. |
| 02:15.58 | peterS | michal_: but whatever you use for your delimiter, if you use it inside the expression as well, you'll need to escape it there. |
| 02:16.14 | asg | eugynon: does rebooting with your non-2.6 kernel help? |
| 02:16.16 | xerophyte | asg i have run the exim -q its not doing anything |
| 02:16.33 | asg | xerophyte: nothing in /var/log/exim/mainlog (regarding delivery ?) |
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| 02:16.38 | eugynon | asg: yeah it does..it works perfectly now... |
| 02:16.51 | michal_ | peterS: I am trying to substitute '<title lang="en"><A Href="News Http://Www.Abc.Net.Au/News">Abc News</A></title>' with '<title lang="en">ABC News</title>' (not including the enclosing single quotes)? |
| 02:16.53 | xerophyte | asg can i message you |
| 02:17.12 | asg | eugynon: then it is an issue with 2.6 (if you are using the sid package, file bugs, otherwise /msg dpkg 2.6 problems) |
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| 02:17.24 | eugynon | asg: been trying for a few hours to get 2.6.1 to work, but i gave up a few mins ago |
| 02:17.36 | qtio | how do i make a rescue disk from the command line? |
| 02:17.42 | asg | xerophyte: if you wish |
| 02:17.46 | peterS | michal_: then you're probably using the sed 'substitute' command, which is s|regex|replacement| . In my example I used "|" as the delimiter character, since that doesn't appear in your regex, but you can use anything |
| 02:17.46 | quinten | hmm. how reliable are partition resize tools? |
| 02:18.13 | bob2 | qtio: mkboot |
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| 02:18.23 | peterS | quinten: 'parted' seems solid |
| 02:18.38 | peterS | quinten: I don't have extensive experience with it, but it seems to work fine |
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| 02:19.15 | BUBBAdK | i was here last night messing with debian and had alot of help from you guys....but why didn't any1 say that knoppix could be installed on harddrive....damn it's cool |
| 02:19.18 | michal_ | peterS: does sed automatically detect the delimiter or is there a paramater to specify it? |
| 02:19.31 | peterS | michal_: automatically detects it. whatever comes right after the 's' |
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| 02:19.42 | qtio | well crap... i thought when i finally didnt have any floppies around me would be a good day.... |
| 02:19.51 | michal_ | peterS: because | is normally the pipe symbol.. |
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| 02:19.55 | trans_err | BUBBAdK: because knoppix isn't debian |
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| 02:20.27 | BUBBAdK | yeah it is...build on debian |
| 02:20.50 | Demosthenes | i'm looking to do a partial mirror for internal clients, but due to a firewall in the way i need to use something http based vs apt-proxy. suggestions? |
| 02:20.50 | peterS | michal_: sed knows nothing about any pipe symbol. to sed it's just another character. |
| 02:20.57 | polvia | is there a command or script to get just the IP of my machine |
| 02:20.58 | trans_err | BUBBAdK: i won't argue this point.... you can look it up.. they're two different beasts |
| 02:21.04 | Demosthenes | polvia: ifconfig |
| 02:21.08 | peterS | michal_: now, you'll need to make sure the shell doesn't molest the symbol, which is why you use '' around the whole thing |
| 02:21.13 | michal_ | peterS: i thought that the shell would see it before sed did |
| 02:21.17 | polvia | Demosthenes: I need just the IP, nothing more |
| 02:21.28 | deadcat | polvia: | to grep or awk |
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| 02:21.34 | Demosthenes | polvia: host `hostname` |
| 02:21.41 | michal_ | peterS: ahh.. so ' around the sed -e s|oldstring|newstring ? |
| 02:21.43 | DelEat | polvia: ifconfig |
| 02:21.44 | BUBBAdK | trans_err : yeah ok...sorry it's based on debian...i just read it...sorry |
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| 02:21.58 | mdupont | in unstable : Setting up libcommons-validator-java (1.0.2-3) .../var/lib/dpkg/info/libcommons-validator-java.postinst: line 7: update-catalog: command not found dpkg: error processing libcommons-validator-java (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
| 02:22.05 | peterS | michal_: '' around the s|old|new|. |
| 02:22.09 | BUBBAdK | quote : And lastly, note that Knoppix is based on Debian, which is arguably the finest GNU/Linux infrastructure available. |
| 02:22.14 | beta3 | michal_: perl -pi -e 's/<oldstring>/<newstring>/' |
| 02:22.26 | Demosthenes | polvia: nm. |
| 02:22.33 | Demosthenes | polvia: parsing ifconfig output is prolly best |
| 02:22.39 | trans_err | BUBBAdK: based... it says it right in the quote |
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| 02:23.17 | luca__ | is there anyone with experience with CMOS sensors? |
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| 02:23.17 | polvia | Demosthenes: thanks, any tips for using awk? |
| 02:23.17 | qtio | BUBBAdK in that case would you say all those based ona true story movies are the same thing as what really happened |
| 02:23.17 | Poprocks | does anyone know if changing the sleep state in acpi is supposed to work right away, or only when idle for an amount of time? |
| 02:23.18 | Demosthenes | polvia: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | cut -f2 -d: | cut -f1 -d" " |
| 02:23.18 | michal_ | beta3: i can almost guarantee that oeuldn't work for my strings |
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| 02:23.28 | BUBBAdK | i know and if you read what i wrote before that i said sorry |
| 02:24.17 | trans_err | BUBBAdK: #knoppix can help you with knoppix |
| 02:24.26 | polvia | Demosthenes: so close. |
| 02:24.35 | Demosthenes | polvia: ? |
| 02:24.35 | nyetzsch1 | what is a good app for organizing and managing pics from a digital camera? looking for something like ACDSee on Windows: thumbnails, fast, small preview, full screen view, reading of camera meta-info from inside the JPEGs, etc |
| 02:24.46 | Demosthenes | polvia: tested good here.... |
| 02:24.49 | BUBBAdK | yep....ok |
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| 02:24.55 | deadcat | good here as well. |
| 02:24.56 | Xenocide | does knoppix default to joining #debian? |
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| 02:24.59 | bob2 | mdupont: file a bug |
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| 02:25.05 | michal_ | geeze.. what a horrific looking thing :P |
| 02:25.11 | bob2 | mdupont: it should Depend on whatever package has update-catalog |
| 02:25.13 | bob2 | Xenocide: yes |
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| 02:25.14 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.15 | peterS | Xenocide: that's a popular theory |
| 02:25.15 | mitchix_ | nyetzsch1: showimg i like...... also ACDSee will run with wine... |
| 02:25.15 | trans_err | Xenocide: used too |
| 02:25.17 | Demosthenes | nyetzsch1: mapivi |
| 02:25.17 | bob2 | Xenocide: well, it did. |
| 02:25.17 | Xenocide | if you all care so much, maybe a bug should be filed ;) |
| 02:25.22 | debian | bob2: darn. :( |
| 02:25.25 | polvia | Demosthenes: thanks |
| 02:25.33 | michal_ | peterS: but it seems to work :) thanks for your help |
| 02:25.37 | Demosthenes | polvia: welcome ;] |
| 02:25.42 | debian | Xenocide: and default to use username knoppix. :) |
| 02:25.52 | Xenocide | debian: i remember that much |
| 02:26.06 | mitchix_ | ok i'm being very lame... what/how do i create the chroot symlink?.... |
| 02:26.08 | beta3 | bob2: could you man me through the process of building bind entries |
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| 02:26.19 | Xenocide | /me wonders about registering the name knoppix |
| 02:26.22 | michal_ | sed can do two seperate substitutions in the same line can't it? |
| 02:26.28 | mitchix_ | ok i'm being very lame... what/how do i create the chroot symlink?....(for sbuild) |
| 02:26.29 | LoRez | Xenocide: don't. |
| 02:26.32 | nyetzsch1 | Demosthenes: oooh, never heard of it... looks good! |
| 02:26.43 | bob2 | beta3: you mean zone files? |
| 02:26.46 | netbrain | anyone using gift with fast track plugin? |
| 02:26.47 | qtio | Xenocide imaging all the fun you cuold have ghosting people day in and day out |
| 02:26.49 | camh | how do I create the /dev/dvb/... device nodes for the DVB modules? (its not in MAKEDEV) |
| 02:26.52 | Demosthenes | nyetzsch1: i use it |
| 02:26.53 | nyetzsch1 | mitchix_: showimg is not bad, I just hate the unnecessary KDE binding... |
| 02:26.56 | bob2 | netbrain: #gift-fasttrack |
| 02:27.02 | bob2 | netbrain: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay OT here. |
| 02:27.06 | luca__ | is there anyone with experience with CMOS sensors? |
| 02:27.08 | nyetzsch1 | Demosthenes: very happy with it, I take it? |
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| 02:27.16 | beta3 | bob2: yes |
| 02:27.22 | Demosthenes | nyetzsch1: i use it to organize. i use album to make web pages. |
| 02:27.39 | nyetzsch1 | Demosthenes: yes, album rules for that |
| 02:27.40 | qtio | registered? |
| 02:27.48 | trans_err | qtio: yup |
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| 02:28.08 | Justin_ | !tell polvia about myip |
| 02:28.09 | netbrain | bob2: thanks |
| 02:28.11 | bob2 | luca__: do you mean lm-sensors? |
| 02:28.14 | Adrian | knoppix is registered to lilo |
| 02:28.17 | Adrian | :\ |
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| 02:28.22 | luca__ | bob2, no, image sensors.. |
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| 02:28.25 | muaddib | :/ |
| 02:28.37 | Demosthenes | is there a "server" debian channel? |
| 02:28.41 | bob2 | luca__: so, you mean a CCD then. |
| 02:28.45 | bob2 | Demosthenes: here. |
| 02:28.47 | macmouse | what can I use to seen mac partition table.. not file system, partition table... on x86... |
| 02:28.49 | Demosthenes | bob2: dang ;] |
| 02:28.52 | luca__ | bob2, well..no CMOS not ccd |
| 02:28.58 | qtio | hey bob2 thanks for your help last night with the IPSEC |
| 02:29.05 | Xenocide | bob2: then is there a "desktop" debian channel? |
| 02:29.06 | beta3 | bob2: I made a loop around the dns system for my domain, dig @ns1.everydns.net NS mirrorlynx.com |
| 02:29.09 | Xenocide | =) |
| 02:29.10 | bob2 | qtio: got it working? |
| 02:29.21 | bob2 | Xenocide: #debian-desktop |
| 02:29.25 | Xenocide | so there is. |
| 02:29.30 | michal_ | peterS: hmm.. sed -e 's/&/&/' doesn't seem to work despite the fact that the ' should be escaping it.. or am I misunderstanding something? |
| 02:29.31 | Demosthenes | bob2: did anyone warn the other people here about that? ;] |
| 02:29.40 | Xenocide | still pretty new, it seems |
| 02:29.54 | bob2 | Xenocide: it's for the Debian Desktop project |
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| 02:30.04 | peterS | michal_: that's because '&' is a special character to sed. in the replacement string it is short for "all the text that was matched in the previous regex" |
| 02:30.06 | deadcat | michal_: you might have to escape the & |
| 02:30.07 | bob2 | beta3: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:30.10 | Demosthenes | ok, forgoing apt-proxy, still soliciting suggestions for maintaining a local partial mirror |
| 02:30.12 | Xenocide | bob2: which wasnt formed too long ago, as i recall |
| 02:30.13 | qtio | bob2 yeah im about to switch over to my new kernel, unfortunately i didnt use the patch you gave me and used a patched version on openswan to make the necessary changes to my partially compiled kernel |
| 02:30.28 | trans_err | alright i've don't quite a bit of searching and stil can not figure out why i am missing modversions.h in 2.6 |
| 02:30.28 | bob2 | Demosthenes: apt-cacher |
| 02:30.31 | bob2 | Demosthenes: apt-cached |
| 02:30.33 | beta3 | bob2: I guess I want to do reverse dns on my ipv6 ip, and add more domains to my ipv4 |
| 02:30.41 | bob2 | qtio: ok. |
| 02:30.54 | bob2 | beta3: "domains" or "hosts"? the difference is important. |
| 02:30.54 | michal_ | ok.. fair enough.. sed -e 's/\&/\&/' works |
| 02:31.08 | michal_ | but then i don't need the ' anyway |
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| 02:31.16 | peterS | michal_: you certainly do |
| 02:31.18 | deadcat | ya you do. |
| 02:31.21 | michal_ | oh yes i do |
| 02:31.26 | peterS | michal_: & is special to the shell as well. it means "run as a background job" |
| 02:31.29 | ljlane | bob2, try apt-cacher. The third time is a charm. :) |
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| 02:31.40 | beta3 | bob2: erm as in subdomains A records ipv6.mirrorlynx.com ? |
| 02:31.42 | polux | hi |
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| 02:31.46 | nadir | lo |
| 02:31.54 | Demosthenes | bob2: how about something to convert a directory of .debs? |
| 02:31.57 | bob2 | beta3: so you want to add *hosts* to ipv6.mirrorlynx.com? |
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| 02:32.00 | polux | i've compiled a 2.6 kernel with the config file from the kernel-image |
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| 02:32.11 | bob2 | Demosthenes: to what? I only got sick of apt-proxy last night, I haven't setup apt-cacher yet. |
| 02:32.14 | polux | but i don't know how to build an initrd |
| 02:32.17 | beta3 | bob2: I guess so, but I never setup the ipv6.mirrorlynx.com record |
| 02:32.21 | bob2 | ljlane: hehm, they all sound e same. |
| 02:32.27 | Demosthenes | bob2: i'll play, thanks ; |
| 02:32.35 | polux | where is the "good" initrd config file ? |
| 02:32.38 | Xenocide | polux: it seems that initrd isnt nessecary |
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| 02:32.50 | bob2 | polux: /topic |
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| 02:32.59 | encrypt | tsc |
| 02:33.00 | bob2 | polux: or are you building your own 2.6 kernel? |
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| 02:33.07 | polux | bob2 : yes |
| 02:33.09 | bob2 | beta3: bah, paste your zonefiles into /msg |
| 02:33.15 | bob2 | polux: don't use initrd then |
| 02:33.20 | polux | bob2 : because of the nvidia rivers |
| 02:33.38 | polux | bob2 : i'd like to...but i don't find it in menuconfig |
| 02:33.39 | bob2 | polux: huh? why do they need to be in the initrd? |
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| 02:33.42 | nadir | ok im having trouble getting good info on this, so i reckon the debian channel might be different :) I want to get linux certification. Should i do lpi? ive been using linux now for a few years, but id like to have the paper to show i know what im talking about, does anyone here work in the industry or done certs themselves? I know quite a bit but im totally ignorant off what the exams are like and id sure appreciate some good info :) |
| 02:33.54 | Xenocide | polux: its not in menuconfig, exactly |
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| 02:34.05 | lazarus | nadir: this isn't ms, such is a waste |
| 02:34.07 | encrypt | i'll need to reinstall that !@¨!&@ |
| 02:34.10 | encrypt | so far away from here |
| 02:34.12 | polux | bob2 : i have to patch them then to recompile the kernel |
| 02:34.15 | bob2 | encrypt: yes. |
| 02:34.15 | Xenocide | polux: check out lilo or your bootloader |
| 02:34.16 | encrypt | will earn nothing! |
| 02:34.20 | encrypt | damn it! |
| 02:34.24 | bob2 | polux: what are you talkign about? |
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| 02:34.36 | bob2 | encrypt: don't be such a moron in future, then. running exploits on your own machine is STUPID. |
| 02:34.46 | Xenocide | bob2: apparently the nvidia drivers dont work by default with 2.6 |
| 02:34.52 | encrypt | i usually dont do this! |
| 02:34.52 | nadir | lazarus: ? |
| 02:34.56 | polux | Xenocide : no, i have to enable it in lilo, but if the kernel is compiled with initrd support, i have to create one |
| 02:34.56 | nadir | i dont understand |
| 02:35.08 | trans_err | Xenocide: i installed a patched version- works. |
| 02:35.08 | polux | i'm searching in menuconfig... |
| 02:35.10 | deadcat | nadir: a paper dont mean shit in linux. |
| 02:35.11 | bob2 | polux: you don't need a initrd. |
| 02:35.19 | Xenocide | polux: why do you need initrd? |
| 02:35.24 | polux | i don't |
| 02:35.25 | bob2 | encrypt: it only takes one moment of stupidity. |
| 02:35.33 | bob2 | polux: so donm't make one then. |
| 02:35.41 | polux | i don't find where to disable it in menuconfig |
| 02:35.46 | encrypt | ok, but now come on.. u really coded this? |
| 02:35.51 | Xenocide | there's an initrd option, should be under like filesystems |
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| 02:36.02 | nadir | ok well, i dont know much about these exams , but i disagree that a paper "dont mean shit" |
| 02:36.07 | nadir | it does |
| 02:36.08 | unixfool` | is there anyway to configure dpkg stuff via a webpage/http? |
| 02:36.10 | Xenocide | it may have moved in 2.6 |
| 02:36.20 | bob2 | encrypt: yes, I coded it to just trick you. |
| 02:36.25 | Spider210 | when I am tring to delete a user I get: "userdel: unable to lock password file |
| 02:36.26 | bob2 | unixfool`: no |
| 02:36.27 | encrypt | i remember this morning you laugh as a pig |
| 02:36.29 | deadcat | nadir: what you need is "friend's with jobs" (= |
| 02:36.29 | lazarus | nadir: bull, this is not ms |
| 02:36.33 | trans_err | okay everything is working well, but my console no longer beeps with alsa enabled in 2.6 |
| 02:36.37 | muncc2beo | Is there a "debian way" for getting a kernel module assosciated with a network interface, ie, the aliasing and automagical module loading? |
| 02:36.40 | encrypt | are you serious, bob2? |
| 02:36.42 | bob2 | encrypt: yes, because you did something so very stupid. |
| 02:37.03 | bob2 | muncc2beo: load it in /etc/modules? |
| 02:37.04 | thebug | muncc2beo: adding the module name to /etc/modules |
| 02:37.08 | encrypt | because if you are serious, you know exactly what i need to do, but reinstall!@$#!$#@! |
| 02:37.20 | bob2 | encrypt: stop being such a crybaby. |
| 02:37.28 | bob2 | encrypt: you did something stupid, deal with it. reinstall the damn machine. |
| 02:37.40 | encrypt | what a penitance |
| 02:37.48 | Xenocide | encrypt: reinstalling is the cost of being hacked. you can't trust anything now. |
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| 02:38.14 | bob2 | Xenocide: he wasn't hacked, he let someone hack him voluntarily. |
| 02:38.17 | Xenocide | encrypt: in the future if you feel the burden of reinstallation is too high, I suggest you consider security more carefully. |
| 02:38.32 | Xenocide | bob2: its still being hacked if you ask someone to, I'd say. |
| 02:38.46 | bob2 | Xenocide: he ran the exploit himself |
| 02:38.50 | bob2 | Xenocide: volunatarily. |
| 02:39.09 | qtio | is there anyway to make a boot floppy on soemthing other than a floppy? perhaps a bootcd? I only have on floppy in this house and it doesnt seem to work |
| 02:39.13 | lazarus | then he gets what he deserves, eh? |
| 02:39.14 | Xenocide | its not like exploits come with a --remove option |
| 02:39.19 | muncc2beo | thebug: don't I need to alias e1000 eth1 somewhere? |
| 02:39.23 | Xenocide | only virii ;) |
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| 02:39.25 | nyetzsch1 | is there a special procedure for installing perl modules which are not packaged in Debian? |
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| 02:39.35 | encrypt | i usually dont to this. really. i was late and needed test a thing faster.. ive ran that shit as user on another boxes and never read some like that it could be a trap! |
| 02:39.42 | LoRez | nyetzsch1: dh-make-perl --cpan --install |
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| 02:39.43 | trans_err | anyone, console beep + alsa + 2.6 isn't working... |
| 02:39.44 | thebug | muncc2beo: to get it to be a particular ip, yes |
| 02:39.56 | asg | bob2: you could add 'encrypt' to the topic |
| 02:39.59 | bob2 | encrypt: reinstall it, your whinging is tiresome. |
| 02:40.00 | muncc2beo | thebug: which file is that again? /etc/modules.conf? |
| 02:40.02 | thebug | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:40.03 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:40.09 | thebug | muncc2beo: /etc/modules |
| 02:40.12 | Xenocide | the topic is allready a paragraph |
| 02:40.28 | thebug | muncc2beo: not /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:40.35 | Xenocide | encrypt: the sooner you start the sooner it will be done. |
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| 02:40.38 | asg | Xenocide: #debian eats paragraphs for breakfast |
| 02:40.43 | bob2 | encrypt: do not run strange shit as root. that's just stupid. |
| 02:40.55 | lazarus | trans_err: CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=y |
| 02:40.56 | encrypt | i dont want to be a topic.. thank you for steal my night of sleep |
| 02:40.57 | bob2 | encrypt: do not run programs as users if you know you're vulnerable to a local root exploit. |
| 02:40.58 | muncc2beo | thebug: is there a special format I have to use? Is there a man page on the subject? |
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| 02:41.05 | bob2 | encrypt: you stole your own night of sleep |
| 02:41.11 | lazarus | trans_err: /join #linux-kernel |
| 02:41.12 | Spider210 | when I am tring to delete a user I get: "userdel: unable to lock password file" |
| 02:41.13 | bob2 | encrypt: if you hadn't run it,there would be no problem |
| 02:41.19 | thebug | muncc2beo: man interfaces |
| 02:41.21 | trans_err | lazarus: im using the pre built 2.6 deb |
| 02:41.22 | asg | encrypt: dude, I woke up, went to work, went to the pub, came home, and you are still working on this |
| 02:41.22 | bob2 | encrypt: if yuo'd reinstalled hours ago, yuo'd be asleep by now |
| 02:41.23 | polux | Xenocide : i found it...it was hidden in ide controllers :) |
| 02:41.25 | lazarus | Spider210: root |
| 02:41.25 | bob2 | Spider210: are you root? |
| 02:41.34 | lazarus | trans_err: there's your first mistake |
| 02:41.34 | Spider210 | yes |
| 02:41.41 | lazarus | trans_err: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:41.44 | Xenocide | polux: ugg. they must have moved it in 2.6. |
| 02:41.53 | muncc2beo | thebug: ok, thanks |
| 02:41.53 | polux | yes |
| 02:42.01 | thebug | np |
| 02:42.01 | polux | it was at the very beginning before |
| 02:42.21 | trans_err | they seriously didn't include console beep in the 2.6 deb? |
| 02:42.26 | polux | arg...make-kpkg made a make clean : |
| 02:42.27 | polux | ! |
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| 02:42.28 | Xenocide | anyways, you should notice boot times getting smaller, since your kernel will be about 1/3 the size =) |
| 02:42.29 | Spider210 | bob2: yes |
| 02:42.30 | alan | is there anyway to supply $var variable in sed? like sed 's/$var//'? |
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| 02:42.52 | asg | alan: don't use "'", use '"' perhaps? |
| 02:43.00 | bob2 | alan: normal shell variable substitution applies |
| 02:43.15 | alan | use "s/$var//" ? |
| 02:43.17 | alan | like this? |
| 02:43.23 | qtio | can you format a floppy if you cant mount it? |
| 02:43.25 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:43.30 | bob2 | qtio: yes |
| 02:43.46 | alan | oh yes, " works |
| 02:43.52 | alan | whats the difference b/w " & '? |
| 02:43.55 | encrypt | the problem is: the box is not really mine.. its from a partner.. second.. im just far away from this.. third.. i will earn nothing.. i spend day looking for a good solution, but reinstall, knowing that it just opens an udp port to listen, as ALL MATCHES OF GOOGLE tell.. but ok.. thank you anyway.. and bob2, i keep wondering if you really coded or not it.. if so.. why dont you fuckin tell me what it really does!? |
| 02:44.00 | Xenocide | alan: subsitution rules. |
| 02:44.22 | alan | i see... |
| 02:44.24 | alan | thank you |
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| 02:45.01 | Spider210 | bob2: i am under root |
| 02:45.06 | Spider210 | when I am tring to delete a user I get: "userdel: unable to lock password file" |
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| 02:45.15 | bob2 | Spider210: use deluser |
| 02:45.16 | Xenocide | encrypt: so you're saying there's someone out there more foolish than you? |
| 02:45.24 | bob2 | encrypt: stop being a crybaby. reinstall it. |
| 02:45.36 | bob2 | encrypt: you did something stupid, deal with it and stop complaining about your OWN MISTAKES. |
| 02:45.46 | bob2 | encrypt: if you had asked anybody with a clue, they would have told you NOT to run it. |
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| 02:46.08 | qtio | this is like a debian soap opera |
| 02:46.11 | Xenocide | encrypt: in fact, if its not your computer, you basically have a responsibility to fix things the right way. |
| 02:46.19 | qtio | im gonna get some popcorn |
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| 02:46.27 | Spider210 | bob2: It gives a error: /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel onestop' returned error code 1. Aborting. |
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| 02:46.31 | ljlane | hrmm... some of p.d.o is back up at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:46.39 | Xenocide | w00t |
| 02:46.41 | thebug | qtio: #debian-soapopera sounds like a good channel name |
| 02:46.50 | andr3w__ | hi can anybody help me, I cannot boot my Debian after I resized another non Debian logical partition and fdisk mbr, now I installed lilo again but cannot boot Debian, my old boot floppy is the one before I upgraded to sid and it doesnt boot as I get kernel panic, please help |
| 02:47.08 | qtio | thebug we could have the knoppixers battle the script kiddies |
| 02:47.14 | bob2 | !+geforce4 |
| 02:47.14 | thebug | heh |
| 02:47.15 | dpkg | somebody said geforce4 was Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 02:48.09 | Xenocide | ljlane: that's been there for a while |
| 02:48.28 | Xenocide | ooh, but now you can click aruond without being told about pacakges being down |
| 02:48.36 | ljlane | Xenocide, second entry: http://planet.debian.net/ |
| 02:48.40 | somiaj | andr3w__: do you have a debian install cd, they all can boot and be used as rescue discs. |
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| 02:49.34 | andr3w__ | somiaj: yes I have my debian cd from which I installed stable version but I upgraded to sid |
| 02:49.41 | thebug | qtio: what we need is a knoppix-s/390 port |
| 02:49.51 | ljlane | Having planetdebian and debianplanet is a bit confusing. |
| 02:49.51 | lazarus | thebug: #knoppix |
| 02:50.07 | thebug | that'd go over well with the script kiddies and knoppixers both, i'm sure |
| 02:50.09 | qtio | heh is that a script? |
| 02:50.13 | trans_err | aaaaaaah... my music, which i mount over NFS keeps jumping under 2.6.... |
| 02:50.22 | somiaj | andr3w__: that cd can still be used as a rescue disc so you can boot into your system and fix the problem with your kernel/lilo to get it booting again. |
| 02:50.23 | qtio | if i say #knoppix does it refer me there |
| 02:50.38 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I inserted my debian cd and typed after boot prompt "rescue" but I still got kernel panic |
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| 02:50.55 | trans_err | could this be ALSA or something in the NFS in 2.6? |
| 02:50.56 | somiaj | andr3w__: rescue root=/dev/hdXY is what you need to type |
| 02:51.22 | andr3w__ | somiaj: ok I will do that |
| 02:51.23 | thebug | laz what's with the ctcp |
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| 02:51.38 | xenome | anyone know a way to make mozilla firebird ALWAYS use tabs... instead of opening another window |
| 02:51.56 | Spider210 | when I am tring to delete a user I get: "userdel: unable to lock password file" |
| 02:52.07 | lazarus | Spider210: df / |
| 02:52.09 | andr3w__ | somiaj: thank you |
| 02:52.45 | Spider210 | and thats suppose to help |
| 02:52.45 | Spider210 | ? |
| 02:52.51 | lazarus | Spider210: yes |
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| 02:52.55 | Spider210 | how |
| 02:53.04 | lazarus | Spider210: what is the output? |
| 02:53.07 | thebug | checking to see if the drive is full |
| 02:53.13 | Spider210 | its not |
| 02:53.15 | lazarus | Spider210: diagnosis |
| 02:53.16 | Spider210 | 80 full |
| 02:53.22 | lazarus | Spider210: what's not? |
| 02:53.37 | Spider210 | i get |
| 02:53.37 | Spider210 | /usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel onestop' returned error code 1. Aborting. |
| 02:54.16 | lazarus | Spider210: then you know it's not an inability to create a lockfile due to lack of drive space |
| 02:54.27 | Spider210 | I see that |
| 02:54.37 | Spider210 | so whats the problem |
| 02:54.56 | qtio | hrmmm im having problems with this boot floppy do i have any other options than mkboot? |
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| 02:56.25 | Justin_ | qtio: syslinux |
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| 02:57.37 | skizzles | I installed debian with XFS, and I am trying to compile a new kernel, but see no XFS support. Any ideas? |
| 02:58.01 | Xenocide | skizzles: have you enabled experimental driver support? |
| 02:58.12 | skizzles | ahhh.... |
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| 02:58.19 | Xenocide | im not sure if that will fix it though |
| 02:58.35 | Xenocide | i hear that you need to apply patches to the kernel,org source |
| 02:58.54 | nyetzsch1 | LoRez: thx |
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| 02:59.17 | skizzles | Xenocide, thanks, I will check the patches |
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| 03:00.04 | skizzles | 2.6.1 is stable? woohoo |
| 03:00.37 | trans_err | im gettting really bad NFS(client) speed now that i've updated to 2.6- any ideas? oh and my middle click doesnt work... after that im done |
| 03:00.50 | Xenocide | theoretically all of 2.6 is stable. in reality its best to give some time for distribution developers to work out the kinks |
| 03:01.03 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I tried cmd 'rescue root=/dev/hd9' and I got this message "kernel panic unable to mount root fs on 00:00" |
| 03:01.19 | asg | skizzles: 2.4 was considered stable by some at revision 18 |
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| 03:01.43 | skizzles | I had nothing but problems with 2.6-test10 |
| 03:01.49 | skizzles | haven't tried since |
| 03:01.54 | somiaj | andr3w__: root=/dev/hd9 is invaliad, need /dev/hda9 |
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| 03:02.02 | trans_err | im going back to 2.4 for awhile |
| 03:02.07 | skizzles | my chipsets werent supported for crap |
| 03:02.22 | skizzles | nothing hardly worked.. just the keyboard. heh |
| 03:02.26 | bob2 | 2.4.24 has XFS |
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| 03:02.40 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I see |
| 03:02.52 | skizzles | thanks bob2 I am trying 2.4.23-preempt |
| 03:03.03 | bob2 | skizzles: 2.4.23 has a local root hole, don't use it. |
| 03:03.11 | somiaj | andr3w__: if /dev/hda9 is not your root fs then you will run into errors while booting, just so ya know. |
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| 03:03.44 | Walski | lo rob |
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| 03:04.05 | bob2 | hey wal. |
| 03:04.08 | qtio | bob2 is that the same one thats in 2.4.22? |
| 03:04.13 | bob2 | WTF? 2.4.24 didn't end up with xFS support? |
| 03:04.18 | bob2 | qtio: no, it's a new one. |
| 03:04.20 | Xenocide | bob2: no |
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| 03:04.33 | bob2 | Xenocide: pushed back to .25 so 2.4 could come out immediately? |
| 03:04.35 | Xenocide | bob2: they decided to release an emergency release for exploits, if i recall |
| 03:04.41 | bob2 | Xenocide: ah, ok. |
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| 03:04.57 | bob2 | Walski: so pissed at pete for not getting me the sparc. |
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| 03:06.14 | Xenocide | is runit configuration completely handled by Debian? |
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| 03:07.22 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I wrote rescue root=/dev/hda9 and I get message " kernel panic unable to mount root fs on 03:08" |
| 03:07.39 | andr3w__ | :\ |
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| 03:08.00 | somiaj | andr3w__: is /dev/hda9 your root file system? My guess is it isn't |
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| 03:08.28 | andr3w__ | somiaj: sorry my error I put hda8 instead of hda9 |
| 03:08.32 | skizzles | hrmm... how do you patch with a .bz2 ? |
| 03:08.33 | METRON9 | Question: I am setting up wu-ftpd, instructions say to edit /etc/group: I am usinf vi to edit the file and all of the lines have a colon: at the end of the line. The instructions I am using shows no colon at the end of the line. plus I dont know if I can edit it and not have a colon as vi seems to want to put one at the end man why is this stuff so alian to me. |
| 03:08.38 | qtio | i love this...its like watching old simpsons |
| 03:08.40 | qtio | http://web.archive.org/web/19981111183552/google.stanford.edu/ |
| 03:08.41 | andr3w__ | dunno why I typed 9 |
| 03:08.52 | somiaj | skizzles: its in the kernel docs, and the kernel faq both on kernel.org |
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| 03:09.20 | bob2 | skizzles: bunzip2 it. |
| 03:09.26 | qtio | anyone know why the kernel howto is down for review? |
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| 03:09.34 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I typed rescue root=/dev/hda8 |
| 03:09.42 | bob2 | METRON9: a) don't edit that file, b) don't use wu-ftpd, it's the shittest ftp server in the world. |
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| 03:09.49 | asg | night all |
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| 03:09.53 | somiaj | andr3w__: ahh ok....if you get the correct root device it _should_ work |
| 03:09.54 | Xenocide | qtio: presumably for 2.6 |
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| 03:10.04 | hallux | How can I tell if the fonts I am seeing are true type, type 1, bitmapped, etc? |
| 03:10.04 | bob2 | asg: adios. |
| 03:10.11 | bob2 | HE: you can't, generally. |
| 03:10.16 | bob2 | hallux: assuming you mean in X. |
| 03:10.21 | hallux | bob2, yes |
| 03:10.26 | qtio | hallux are you looking to identify a font? |
| 03:10.40 | hallux | qtio, i just want to know what kind of font it is |
| 03:10.43 | bob2 | METRON9: use a better one from Debian and you qwon't need to setup anything. |
| 03:10.46 | hallux | and how to identify the TYPE |
| 03:10.51 | andr3w__ | somiaj: but I did root is mounted on hda8 and still I get kernel panic |
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| 03:11.09 | metalifloyd | is there an "official" stable dvd image available for download? Or is it possible to create a dvd image from the stable cds? |
| 03:11.18 | somiaj | andr3w__: what fs is your root device, ext2, ext3? |
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| 03:11.35 | andr3w__ | somiaj: reiser |
| 03:11.39 | thebug | metalifloyd: jigdo |
| 03:11.54 | beta3 | metalifloyd: jigdo should be able to make a dvd for you if you have a good jidgo/template file |
| 03:12.00 | thebug | there's a howto for making dvds with it somewhere |
| 03:12.14 | metalifloyd | thebug: I've seen testing/unstable dvd images but not stable |
| 03:12.16 | hallux | bob2, specifically, when kdm starts, it has a really ugly font, and i cannot figure how and where to change it |
| 03:12.36 | Justin_ | hallux: kcontrol |
| 03:12.42 | somiaj | andr3w__: hmm, I'm trying to think if the rescue disc supports reiserfs, I don't mess with it as ext3 fits all my needs and has less compadability issues. |
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| 03:13.09 | hallux | Justin_, in kcontrol, all my fonts are set to verdana, but kdm uses some other font. bookman or something |
| 03:13.17 | skizzles | ok, I patched the kernel, but I still see no XFS in the filesystems. is it described by another name? |
| 03:13.27 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I should have installed on ext3 but didnt know about the issues |
| 03:13.31 | hallux | Justin_, schoolbook is what it is called |
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| 03:13.45 | gnupengwyn | what's the name of the module for the p4 titan GA-8IPE100 series main board's on board 1000/100/10 Gigabit Lan, could be intel 82562/82562EX/82540EM/82547EI Lan Driver, but i do not see that in woody, i need to install woody so i can install sid. |
| 03:13.51 | bob2 | hallux: disable use of type1 fonts in XF86Config-4 |
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| 03:14.02 | hallux | bob2, how do you know it is a type1 font? |
| 03:14.03 | somiaj | andr3w__: its just that its new, other wise I hear its a great file system.... |
| 03:14.04 | gnupengwyn | i have a basic woody up no network yet |
| 03:14.06 | bob2 | skizzles: it's called XFS |
| 03:14.10 | Xenocide | !tell skizzles about XFS |
| 03:14.11 | thebug | gnupengwyn: e1000 ? |
| 03:14.14 | bob2 | hallux: ugly-ass fonts are almost always type1 |
| 03:14.18 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I see |
| 03:14.32 | hallux | bob2, but when i run xfontsel, i dont even see it there |
| 03:14.38 | hallux | this font thing is a mess |
| 03:14.38 | gnupengwyn | thebug was that in woody's dustro? |
| 03:14.48 | gnupengwyn | disks = dustro |
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| 03:14.56 | somiaj | anyone, is it possible to use the woody rescue disc to rescue an install with the rootfs on reiserfs |
| 03:15.01 | bob2 | gnupengwyn: no, e1000 didn't exist when woody released. |
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| 03:15.05 | thebug | dunno...if you give me a sec, I can get you the link to the source...i just did it for someone like 20 minutes ago |
| 03:15.10 | bob2 | somiaj: if you read the install guide, yes. |
| 03:15.17 | gnupengwyn | yep |
| 03:15.20 | VynoM | ok, I've gotten farther with my install than ever before, but now I don't have a startx command available |
| 03:15.29 | gnupengwyn | so how do i do it, |
| 03:15.40 | Xenocide | VynoM: maybe you want a manager like gdm |
| 03:15.42 | somiaj | andr3w__: see what bob2 said, so it is possible, I've just not messed with it so don't know how. |
| 03:15.43 | bob2 | VynoM: install x-window-system-core |
| 03:15.50 | bob2 | somiaj: ie boot with bf2.4 |
| 03:16.22 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I installed bf2.4 |
| 03:16.37 | somiaj | bob2: ahh, so would it be 'bf2.4 rescue root=/dev/blah' |
| 03:16.42 | METRON9 | is the file /etc/group a debian file or is it wu-ftpd file or is there a channel for vi and or wu-ftpd |
| 03:16.49 | VynoM | bob2 Xenocide: thanks |
| 03:16.55 | andr3w__ | somiaj so maybee boot with bf2.4 first then try rescue |
| 03:17.19 | somiaj | andr3w__: check out the install manual at debian.org to double check first. |
| 03:17.24 | bob2 | METRON9: do not use wu-ftpd |
| 03:17.27 | bob2 | METRON9: do nto edit that file |
| 03:18.03 | VynoM | Time to take a break. Been at this for 3 days now. This is the farthest I've gotten too |
| 03:18.05 | METRON9 | what ftp should I use |
| 03:18.09 | andr3w__ | somiaj ok thanks |
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| 03:18.15 | VynoM | Actually have an install with no failures (so far) |
| 03:18.16 | beta3 | METRON9: proftpd |
| 03:18.43 | somiaj | andr3w__: also when you first boot off the cd, hit f1-f6 it might have helpful info to tell you the syntax you need. |
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| 03:18.57 | andr3w__ | somiaj ok |
| 03:19.04 | ural | lo |
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| 03:19.46 | bob2 | METRON9: any other one. |
| 03:20.17 | METRON9 | do I need to uninstall wu-ftpd and then install profptd using apt-get? |
| 03:20.34 | bob2 | METRON9: yes. |
| 03:20.51 | METRON9 | thanks |
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| 03:23.17 | thebug | yarr for everyone else with an intel gigabit card tonight :) |
| 03:23.19 | thebug | ~e1000 |
| 03:23.21 | | i heard e1000 is http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/2897/eng/e1000-5.2.22.tar.gz |
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| 03:24.23 | ee99ee | Anyone know where any good, active Debian forums are? |
| 03:25.23 | gnupengwyn | i just wanted to take the time to say thanks. |
| 03:25.35 | ee99ee | moo |
| 03:25.53 | gnupengwyn | thank you. thebug, thank you everyone else |
| 03:25.57 | thebug | enjoy the bandwidth :) is good stuff |
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| 03:26.36 | METRON9 | to remove wu-ftpd do i use apt-get remove or --purge remove |
| 03:26.59 | bob2 | METRON9: purge |
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| 03:27.21 | peterS | METRON9: just apt-get remove is fine. the latter takes the additional step of getting rid of config files, but if you ever want to reinstall the app it will be nice not to have to re-edit the config files next time, to reflect your site preferences |
| 03:27.38 | gboutwel | Is it possible to determine what version of gcc as used to compile a binary? |
| 03:27.43 | findme | does dlink 650 wireless network card work well with debian ? |
| 03:27.49 | findme | has anyone configured with it ? |
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| 03:27.56 | bob2 | GhostNet: no |
| 03:27.59 | bob2 | gboutwel: no |
| 03:28.08 | bob2 | findme: what does google say? |
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| 03:28.16 | findme | bob2, problems |
| 03:28.17 | peterS | gboutwel: certainly you can find the version of gcc used to build an object file, but I think that info is long gone by the time the exe is linked |
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| 03:28.21 | r00t_ | hello |
| 03:28.24 | bob2 | gboutwel: it can be possible to determine which version of g++ was used, however. |
| 03:28.32 | bob2 | peterS: how? |
| 03:28.34 | r00t_ | hi |
| 03:28.44 | METRON9 | ok thanks |
| 03:28.52 | peterS | bob2: strings | grep GCC |
| 03:29.06 | peterS | bob2: try it on a *.o or *.a some time |
| 03:29.11 | thebug | peterS: nm | grep gcc might do you too |
| 03:29.20 | r00t_ | 0.0.0.0/256 == any address? |
| 03:29.21 | thebug | if it's not stripped |
| 03:29.22 | bob2 | r00t_: no |
| 03:29.23 | r00t_ | (for snort to listen on) |
| 03:29.25 | r00t_ | ooo |
| 03:29.32 | r00t_ | 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 03:29.33 | r00t_ | ? |
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| 03:30.30 | r00t_ | bob2? |
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| 03:30.40 | r00t_ | would that specify any address |
| 03:30.51 | r00t_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.01 | lorenzo_ | Hi all. I have been using Redhat/Fedora for a little while, and am considering experementing with Debian on one of my boxes. I am just wondering how easy it is to patch the Debian kernel source with things like packet-cd and linux-ntfs. I found that every patch I tried to apply to a Redhat kernel failed. |
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| 03:31.27 | Demosthenes | you should apply patches to a vanilla kernel |
| 03:31.32 | Penix | lorenzo_: it's the same as any distro if you use a vanilla kernel (ie. non-Debian) |
| 03:31.34 | thebug | can anybody recommend a dvd burner, or anything they've had good/bad luck with? |
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| 03:31.57 | bob2 | lorenzo_: apply them to the kernel.org kernel. |
| 03:32.14 | lorenzo_ | Thanks. |
| 03:32.17 | somiaj | lorenzo_: my suggestion would be patch the kernel.org kernels, then use kernel-package to make a debian package for that kernel. |
| 03:32.22 | r00t_ | hmmm |
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| 03:32.43 | Xenocide | lorenzo_: make-kpkg is really, really nifty |
| 03:32.51 | r00t_ | X 4.3 isnt in unstable yet... know where i can grab the experimintel deb(s) |
| 03:32.59 | bob2 | r00t_: why? |
| 03:33.07 | lorenzo_ | somiaj: Thanks much. That's really cool. |
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| 03:33.55 | r00t_ | bob: my videocard is a intel centrino chipset one |
| 03:33.59 | r00t_ | need x 4.3 |
| 03:34.07 | r00t_ | which is in experimentsl |
| 03:34.10 | r00t_ | *al |
| 03:34.13 | somiaj | r00t_: /msg dpkg x4.3 and /msg dpkg experimental, not you should only need the xserver-xfree86 deb and only grab it if you _know_ what you are doing. |
| 03:34.14 | Penix | shouldn't have bought a system with such an evil chipset |
| 03:34.23 | somiaj | r00t_: s/not/note/ |
| 03:34.48 | gboutwel | Anyone happen to know what compiler was used to compile Xandros 2.0? |
| 03:34.56 | Penix | gboutwel: gcc? |
| 03:35.08 | Xenocide | gboutwel: why? |
| 03:35.18 | lorenzo_ | Is there a place I can go to get the latest Debian unstable CD's? Or are there unstable CD's? |
| 03:35.21 | gboutwel | Penix> Yes, gcc, but what version? |
| 03:35.29 | Penix | lorenzo_: unstable cds's are stupid |
| 03:35.38 | Penix | lorenzo_: install woody and dist-upgrade |
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| 03:35.44 | resist148 | i used binchunker to extract a bin of a svcd, it created two iso files, but i can't mount the second one (the large one), because it says bad superblock, isobuster said the very last part of the file was bad, does anyone know what could cause this, and is there anyway to still extract the files, i deleted the bin that I had |
| 03:35.44 | Xenocide | lorenzo_: unstable moves too much. just upgrade from stable |
| 03:35.49 | Penix | gboutwel: 2.95 or 3.x |
| 03:35.57 | gboutwel | Xenocide> Having a specific problem with Mozilla, the stuff I'm digging up on the web says it's likely a problem with Mozilla compiled with gcc3, but don't know. |
| 03:36.21 | lorenzo_ | Penix: Thanks. |
| 03:36.21 | Penix | gboutwel: plugin problem? |
| 03:36.23 | Gathond | gboutwel: xandros 2.0 is wuite old right ? and debian based ? |
| 03:36.54 | Gathond | then i think its gcc 2.95 (incompatible C++ ABI with gcc 3.x so that might be the problem) |
| 03:36.58 | gboutwel | Gathond> Huh? wuite? Yes it's debian based. |
| 03:37.14 | ural | hi can anybosy help with a question regarding a konqueror error? |
| 03:37.24 | somiaj | lorenzo_: you might want to look into a netinstall cd, check out debian.org there are lots of docs there on such things. |
| 03:37.26 | Penix | ural: #kde |
| 03:37.27 | thomas_adam | ~tell ural about ask |
| 03:37.33 | r00t_ | somiaj: anywhere i could dl the xfree86-server deb only? |
| 03:37.48 | r00t_ | instead of changing apts settings |
| 03:37.55 | Xenocide | speaking of mozilla problems, what hoops do i need to jump through to get flash files to play sound? |
| 03:37.58 | lorenzo_ | somiaj: Thanks. I will look into it. |
| 03:37.58 | Penix | r00t_: the same place apt would get it |
| 03:38.09 | somiaj | r00t_: yea, from any offical debian mirror with the experimental pool, or follow those factiods I told you to look at. |
| 03:38.27 | r00t_ | ok |
| 03:38.29 | r00t_ | thanks |
| 03:38.33 | ural | ty |
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| 03:38.49 | Penix | ~tell Vladkao about root |
| 03:38.55 | mhelas | is there any way in tweaking dupload to use an other ssh-keyfile than an .ssh/identity ? |
| 03:38.56 | r00t_ | somiaj: its that im running in console and c/p is not terribly easy, links is tho |
| 03:38.58 | Gathond | gboutwel: what version of gcc does the system have, its probably the same as it was compiled with |
| 03:39.02 | METRON9 | when I install packages or edit package config files do i have to reboot the system to take effect? |
| 03:39.22 | Penix | METRON9: of course not |
| 03:39.27 | Penix | METRON9: it's Linux, not Windows |
| 03:39.30 | mhelas | sorry, i am stupid, forget it..... |
| 03:39.31 | METRON9 | ahhhh |
| 03:39.35 | somiaj | Xenocide: when I install flash with the macromedia install script that was all I had to do to get it to work, though you may want to dpkg-reconfigure mozilla and make sure its set up to use the correct sound server... |
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| 03:40.07 | Xenocide | somiaj: hmm. it didnt pop up with anything... |
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| 03:40.36 | somiaj | r00t_: well ftp to a debian mirror and down load the xserver deb, you may have to look for it a little bit but they are there. |
| 03:40.45 | gboutwel | Penix> Yes plugin problems. Flash to be exact. |
| 03:40.59 | somiaj | Xenocide: try to reconfigure mozilla-common (one of them should ask you a question on how mozilla should handel sound) |
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| 03:41.25 | gboutwel | Penix> web page crashes when the flash.html page starts up. |
| 03:41.26 | bluefoxicy | OKay |
| 03:41.40 | bluefoxicy | I'm having to listen to complaints from debian users about apt-get not showing a cow when you apt-get moo |
| 03:41.52 | METRON9 | is there an editor package anyone can suggest that is more like oh I dont know EDIT in dos? instead of this somewhat confusing vi editor I am using. any suggestions |
| 03:42.00 | bluefoxicy | Can you control your userbase, or at least give them their cow back? I think they liked it :o |
| 03:42.00 | thomas_adam | bluefoxicy: apt-get install cowsay |
| 03:42.05 | bluefoxicy | kthxbye |
| 03:42.12 | somiaj | METRON9: use nano, it should already be installed on your system,. |
| 03:42.15 | bluefoxicy | thomas_adam: I'll pass that along |
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| 03:42.22 | thomas_adam | bluefoxicy: :) |
| 03:42.31 | METRON9 | yes it is thanks |
| 03:42.37 | Xenocide | heh, mozilla-common not installed |
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| 03:42.54 | Xenocide | cuz it doesnt exist |
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| 03:42.58 | g0llum_ | tomcat4 never stops without being killed |
| 03:42.59 | METRON9 | cool a MENU of commmands, very nice |
| 03:43.04 | mitchix_ | ok that's just SIC... i mean SIC... apt-get moo.... |
| 03:43.07 | somiaj | Xenocide: mozilla-browser |
| 03:43.23 | Xenocide | was just gonna try that |
| 03:43.35 | da_ | someone help me uninstall webmin? i keep getting an error saying i need to run apt-get -f install to fix depends but it always fails to do anything with webmin-core, which i need to remove, and apt wont let me install new packages until its fixed |
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| 03:44.03 | thomas_adam | da_: apt-get --purge remove webmin-coew |
| 03:44.05 | thomas_adam | da_: apt-get --purge remove webmin-core |
| 03:44.07 | thomas_adam | grr |
| 03:44.20 | da_ | thomas_adam: done that, same error |
| 03:44.31 | somiaj | da_: dpkg --purge webmin-core |
| 03:44.39 | thomas_adam | da_: do a dist-upgrade |
| 03:44.56 | bob2 | stupid firebird |
| 03:45.04 | somiaj | !lart firebird |
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| 03:45.23 | Penix | stupid segfaulting firebird |
| 03:45.23 | bob2 | haha bluefoxicy |
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| 03:45.35 | Hiryu | is there a way to limit bandwidth usage on a network interface? |
| 03:45.40 | Penix | Hiryu: yes |
| 03:45.52 | Hiryu | Penix, how? |
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| 03:46.03 | hyde | firebird is the newest name for pheonix? |
| 03:46.08 | Penix | I'll just tell you the magical one-line command to do it |
| 03:46.08 | thomas_adam | hyde: yexs |
| 03:46.10 | da_ | dpkg --purge returns same error as before, can't run pre-remove scripts |
| 03:46.11 | dpkg | da_: You are moron #5 |
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| 03:46.18 | Hiryu | hyde, think they changed the name due to copyright stuffs |
| 03:46.27 | hyde | nod ok, hard to keep track sometimes |
| 03:46.28 | MLS | Is it pretty safe to use "-X66 -d1 -u1 -c3" for hdparm for new hdds? |
| 03:46.33 | Hiryu | hyde, yep |
| 03:46.35 | METRON9 | I wanted to mention I have been setting this linux stuff up for 2 weeks now on my own with lots of help from the folks here. I daytrade futures and I have never never done so well. I think the brain cells that I have created getting thru this thing has helped me in many ways, someday I will help others as much as you folks have helped me. Now back to setting up this ftp thing... |
| 03:46.46 | somiaj | da_: hmm, check the bug reports, see if they have a solution. |
| 03:46.55 | Hiryu | Penix, only a one line command? that's easy |
| 03:47.08 | Xenocide | METRON9: better stop now before you wind up hating your job ;) |
| 03:47.18 | Penix | Hiryu: exactly why I chose that sort of sarcasm |
| 03:47.25 | Hiryu | Penix, oh :( |
| 03:47.29 | Hiryu | Penix, but it is possible? |
| 03:47.33 | Penix | Hiryu: yes |
| 03:47.42 | thomas_adam | Penix: evasive bugger :) |
| 03:47.47 | r00t_ | whats a good server with the experimental pool? |
| 03:47.49 | Hiryu | Penix, I have no problem reading docs, I just don't know which ones to look at :) |
| 03:47.58 | thomas_adam | ~tell r00t_ about experimental |
| 03:48.00 | somiaj | r00t_: any should be ok, ftp.debian.org is what I use. |
| 03:48.00 | Penix | Hiryu: I think traffic shaping is what you're after |
| 03:48.02 | ural | hello all btw :) |
| 03:48.17 | somiaj | !greet ural |
| 03:48.18 | dpkg | Hi ural! |
| 03:48.23 | ural | :) |
| 03:48.27 | Penix | Hiryu: if you're looking to give an interface a certain amount of bandwidth |
| 03:48.28 | ural | hope all is well |
| 03:48.54 | METRON9 | i am my own boss, started co when i was 17 yrs old im 46 now, so no problem. I started with the VIC 20, C-64- IBM-XT, dbase-clipper-trs80 modelII etc, but when windows came up i quit programming and bacame a potato head. |
| 03:48.57 | somiaj | ural: all will be well until I run out of beer. |
| 03:49.03 | ural | lol |
| 03:49.14 | ural | yea im drinkin a little too |
| 03:49.15 | ural | :) |
| 03:49.33 | ural | carlsberg special brew |
| 03:49.34 | beta3 | lazarus: you still there |
| 03:49.36 | ural | hehe |
| 03:49.38 | da_ | omg, doesnt apt-get come with a force option? |
| 03:49.41 | Hiryu | Penix, thanks, now I can use google :0 |
| 03:49.43 | beta3 | lazarus: 2.6.1 was released today, wasn't even a week |
| 03:49.44 | r00t_ | somiaj: know an http url |
| 03:49.44 | Penix | lucky there are helpful alcoholics around to remind me |
| 03:49.48 | thomas_adam | da_: dpkg --force-help |
| 03:49.58 | r00t_ | debian.org/debian/ isnt there |
| 03:50.32 | somiaj | Penix: well the fact you have vodka left means you aren't doing a good enough job...(: |
| 03:50.32 | r00t_ | nm |
| 03:50.39 | Penix | somiaj: heh |
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| 03:51.10 | ural | somiaj, lol |
| 03:51.23 | Xenocide | well shoot, i told mozilla to use esddsp and its still not giving me sound |
| 03:51.45 | Penix | got drunk and skated around for too long. fscked with my guts, so I didn't finish the little bit left |
| 03:52.22 | thomas_adam | ural: heh, 4am here too |
| 03:52.27 | ural | lol |
| 03:52.32 | somiaj | Penix: excuses are like assholes...(:, though I'm just using beer to recover my hangover from last night, way to many captain and cokes. |
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| 03:52.50 | plus | oh my, 'make gconfig' is so sexy. |
| 03:52.52 | Penix | heh |
| 03:52.56 | ural | thomas_adam i have to go out to manchester tomorrow, y cant u?? |
| 03:52.57 | plus | it's almost worth running X to see. |
| 03:53.21 | thomas_adam | ural: Manchester indeed! I'm in Southampton. I am an accute insomniac. |
| 03:53.22 | lazarus | beta3: Linux tower 2.6.1 #1 Fri Jan 9 21:26:37 UTC 2004 i486 unknown |
| 03:53.27 | lazarus | beta3: i'm aware ;) |
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| 03:53.36 | Penix | hopefully I've got enough left to mix with a 1.25 bottle of something |
| 03:53.38 | plus | woot, good job lazarus |
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| 03:53.50 | lazarus | beta3: hours and hours of 2.6.0 commpilation later, and poof, 2.6.1 |
| 03:53.55 | plus | i'm working on putting it on my laptop before i move my main system over. |
| 03:54.00 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 03:54.13 | ural | thomas_adam, i dont sleep well either tbh... 4days with under 9grs |
| 03:54.26 | ural | hrs* |
| 03:54.27 | thomas_adam | ural: for me, 4 days and NO sleep |
| 03:54.37 | lazarus | plus: i'm still compiling more 2.6.1 kernels, this is the ... fifth? |
| 03:54.39 | ural | thomas_adam, fun aint it :/ |
| 03:54.48 | da_ | where is the default location for the installed packages database? |
| 03:54.54 | thomas_adam | ural: no, just mootonous now |
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| 03:54.59 | thomas_adam | da_: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 03:55.01 | ural | thomas_adam, last year i went a week nd ended up in hospital lol |
| 03:55.05 | plus | lazarus: the big hint for me was getting modules working: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 03:55.10 | thomas_adam | ural: shit...really? |
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| 03:55.17 | plus | now i'm just working on my pcmcia card. |
| 03:55.21 | somiaj | ural: that dosen't sound funny. |
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| 03:55.35 | plus | network card. |
| 03:55.35 | lazarus | plus: ah, i already had that since december, but there are backports of it if you have woody machines |
| 03:55.40 | ural | thomas_adam, yea man it sucked... went nuts for a weekend :/ it aint funny tbh |
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| 03:55.46 | beta3 | lazarus: -mm1 is released for 2.6.1 also |
| 03:55.53 | beta3 | lazarus: has alsa and drm fixes |
| 03:56.01 | lazarus | beta3: um, why would i want that? |
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| 03:56.11 | beta3 | lazarus: tuxracer |
| 03:56.19 | lazarus | beta3: some game? |
| 03:56.21 | thomas_adam | ural: I know how you feel. I too have had the same experience many a time. Things get so bad for me that I am sedated by the doctors to induce sleep. |
| 03:56.29 | beta3 | lazarus: yeah |
| 03:56.31 | r00t_ | somiaj: hmm |
| 03:56.37 | r00t_ | somiaj: im navigating |
| 03:56.38 | ural | thomas_adam, urrgghh :/ |
| 03:56.43 | plus | lazarus yea, i haven't been playing with it long. i tried 2.6.0, and couldn't understand what was wrong so i just left it, i had classes to worry about =) |
| 03:56.47 | r00t_ | somiaj: and i cant find the debs |
| 03:56.49 | thomas_adam | ural: :| |
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| 03:57.02 | ural | thomas_adam, how old? |
| 03:57.10 | somiaj | beta3: hmm tuxracer.......so how do you do different events than the default candian cup, i've passed that and can't seem to do anything else except pratice runs |
| 03:57.17 | komodo | im trying to install a version of redhat 6x of ymessanger in KDE, can anyone help me |
| 03:57.18 | somiaj | r00t_: its in the pool dir |
| 03:57.19 | thomas_adam | ural: 20, at Southampton Uni. |
| 03:57.28 | ural | kewl |
| 03:57.31 | somiaj | komodo: why? |
| 03:57.31 | ural | comp sci? |
| 03:57.32 | thomas_adam | komodo: ffs, /topic |
| 03:57.42 | komodo | i cant get yahoo to work with gaim |
| 03:57.42 | beta3 | somiaj: I don't know, I have a bunch of levels |
| 03:57.45 | ural | mag best m8 is from sampy |
| 03:57.47 | thomas_adam | ural: Software Engineering |
| 03:57.51 | somiaj | komodo: are you running sid? |
| 03:57.53 | thomas_adam | ural: ha |
| 03:57.54 | Penix | komodo: gaim.sf.net read the news |
| 03:58.00 | komodo | i dont know what a sid is |
| 03:58.07 | bancus | the fix is in CVS |
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| 03:58.16 | Penix | For those of you who are having troubles connecting to Yahoo! and have not yet already done so, change your server from scs.yahoo.com to scs.msg.yahoo.com. |
| 03:58.20 | somiaj | beta3: yea I enjoy the game, but I can't seem to get anything except that into lvl, figured I'd have to beat it to move on, but that didn't help...:( |
| 03:58.21 | ural | thomas_adam, :) nice place |
| 03:58.29 | thomas_adam | ural: so, so. |
| 03:58.38 | lazarus | plus: which "wrong' btw? i might be able to help, if it's the show-stopper i had |
| 03:58.51 | lazarus | plus: memory pressures? |
| 03:59.01 | bancus | <CIA-5> Gaim: seanegan * gaim/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Yahoo works. |
| 03:59.05 | bancus | that was at 19:26 |
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| 03:59.08 | komodo | Penix,,thanks |
| 03:59.22 | ural | thomas_adam, i was doing marine bio at bangor, but changed to comp sci when i realised io didnt like most sea life, or sand |
| 03:59.25 | plus | norox_, i'm good now. just a problem with modules, i needed: module-init-tools. now i'm all good, almost. |
| 03:59.27 | komodo | i've been using linux for a year now but i dont know a lot about it |
| 03:59.34 | thomas_adam | ural: hehehehe |
| 03:59.43 | plus | no. not norox |
| 03:59.50 | r00t_ | ok im in there |
| 03:59.51 | thomas_adam | ural: which Uni are you at now? |
| 03:59.54 | r00t_ | with all the debs |
| 03:59.57 | systems | where can i find the j2se-common package |
| 04:00.00 | r00t_ | in |
| 04:00.00 | r00t_ | x |
| 04:00.07 | thomas_adam | systems: www.blackdown.org |
| 04:00.11 | r00t_ | cant find xfree86-server tho |
| 04:00.20 | bancus | is debian/conffiles just a list of files? |
| 04:00.21 | thomas_adam | systems: I would use their port |
| 04:00.25 | somiaj | r00t_: yea look in x/xserver-xfree86 or x/xfree86 or x/xserver something like that is where its located |
| 04:00.29 | thomas_adam | bancus: yes |
| 04:00.33 | plus | now i just need to find my pcmcia network card. |
| 04:00.36 | thomas_adam | bancus: see debconf |
| 04:00.40 | systems | not there, i download 2 debs , they wont install cause they want this package which i cant find |
| 04:00.45 | r00t_ | ooo |
| 04:00.46 | r00t_ | ok |
| 04:00.48 | lazarus | plus: if your swap won't load, i know how to fix that :) |
| 04:00.51 | bancus | Do they get automatically picked up or do I have to do something weird to them? |
| 04:00.51 | bancus | k |
| 04:00.58 | thomas_adam | swapon -a |
| 04:01.03 | plus | lazarus: ha! thanks. i'll make sure it does. |
| 04:01.06 | ural | thomas_adam, im still at bangor, couldnt leave my m8s ;) |
| 04:01.07 | plus | strapon? |
| 04:01.08 | thomas_adam | bancus: leave them as is. |
| 04:01.12 | plus | oh swapon =) |
| 04:01.12 | thomas_adam | ural: :) |
| 04:01.13 | r00t_ | dling |
| 04:01.24 | Penix | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-conffiles |
| 04:01.25 | thomas_adam | plus: ;) |
| 04:01.30 | plus | heh |
| 04:01.32 | bancus | thomas_adam, do I have to put something in rules though? |
| 04:01.42 | r00t_ | installed |
| 04:01.50 | r00t_ | how to configure now? |
| 04:02.00 | r00t_ | xfree85config? |
| 04:02.08 | somiaj | r00t_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:02.10 | thomas_adam | bancus: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:02.24 | bancus | I have a configuration file I want to install with the deb. |
| 04:02.29 | ural | hmm |
| 04:02.31 | bancus | defaults and such |
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| 04:02.36 | ural | konqueror is ****ed |
| 04:02.38 | plus | *giggle* |
| 04:02.50 | bancus | the file is mumym.conf |
| 04:02.56 | plus | oh it's been so long since i've upgraded =P |
| 04:02.57 | somiaj | ural: well its kde what do you expect...(: |
| 04:02.58 | bancus | should go in /etc/ircbots/ |
| 04:03.00 | r00t_ | ooo |
| 04:03.00 | ural | ok its irritatin me now |
| 04:03.02 | r00t_ | hmm |
| 04:03.11 | r00t_ | anyone here have a centrino? |
| 04:03.13 | ural | somiaj, what u recommend i use? |
| 04:03.43 | somiaj | ural: I use fvwm myself, there are lots of options, I just don't like kde, though that doesn't mean you shouldn't use it...(: |
| 04:04.08 | ural | somiaj, well tbh it irritates the hell outta me |
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| 04:04.22 | ecstatix | hi |
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| 04:04.49 | bancus | I see, so I should install the file myself, but put the full path in conffiles. |
| 04:04.51 | bancus | Thanks penix |
| 04:04.53 | thomas_adam | have done for years |
| 04:04.58 | somiaj | ural: when I messed with the big name desktop enviorments, I didn't like kde (to windows like), and though gnome was better, though it has its problems as well |
| 04:05.23 | ural | ill take alook at fvwm |
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| 04:05.39 | thomas_adam | ural: www.netvis.co.uk/Thomas/Ne.png |
| 04:05.39 | somiaj | thomas_adam: my only problem with fvwm is I don't like the deb's of it, always end up compiling it myself... |
| 04:05.41 | SuperPhly | does anyone know how to correct dma problems such as this: hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 hde: error waiting for DMA hde: dma timeout retry: status=0x80 {Busy} |
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| 04:05.50 | thomas_adam | somiaj: *nod* -- I agree, |
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| 04:05.57 | SuperPhly | the DMA is disabled on it and the other drive on the channel |
| 04:05.59 | thomas_adam | somiaj: dfo you use fvwm-themes? |
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| 04:06.02 | r00t_ | videocard == intel 855GM |
| 04:06.02 | SuperPhly | then Primary channel reset |
| 04:06.12 | r00t_ | i see a i810 in the xconfig... |
| 04:06.12 | knoppix | hello |
| 04:06.20 | ural | thomas_adam, thats fvwm? |
| 04:06.26 | thomas_adam | ural: yup |
| 04:06.31 | thomas_adam | ural: and my desktop :) |
| 04:06.34 | ural | thomas_adam, ty :) nice |
| 04:06.38 | g0llum_ | tomcat4 never stops without being killed, is that a known problem ? |
| 04:06.45 | knoppix | hey someone using Knoppix |
| 04:06.56 | LoRez | knoppix: obviously |
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| 04:07.02 | ural | lol |
| 04:07.02 | dbron | Hi all, I am trying to do a netinstall for a thinkpad 600 (with sarge). I have a pcmcia wireless linksys card that works fine with knoppix, and gets its dhcp address when the box boots. On reboot though, there is no network. Anyone know how to deal with that? I have tried loading modules hermes, orinoco, and orinoco_cs which is what knoppix says is loaded, but no go. |
| 04:07.05 | thomas_adam | ural: That was my attempt at trying to emulate RH's now obsolete AnotherLevel M4 configuration without the M4 |
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| 04:07.17 | somiaj | thomas_adam: yea, I use the cvs of both fvwm and fvwm-themes, the newer fvwm themes are also getting some defaults you can mix and match with ease. |
| 04:07.21 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: neato |
| 04:07.22 | xenome | all my gtk2 apps seem to follow the font size/type that I set with switch2, but mozilla-firebird does not... anyone have any idea why? |
| 04:07.27 | r00t_ | should i pick that |
| 04:07.27 | ural | thomas_adam, hehe nice |
| 04:07.31 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: ;) |
| 04:07.35 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: do you manage to beat the chess proggie? |
| 04:07.46 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: no, alas.# |
| 04:07.56 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: neither have i so far. |
| 04:08.08 | thomas_adam | ecstatix: I am a developer for Xcrafty in my spare time. |
| 04:08.25 | thomas_adam | somiaj: yes :) |
| 04:08.30 | peterS | I wish I had such hard choices to make |
| 04:08.31 | ecstatix | thomas_adam: haha. so you need to beat gnuchess once in a while. i use the xboard thinggie |
| 04:08.33 | knoppix | hey hey hey |
| 04:08.38 | ural | thomas_adam, if im doin apt-get update is there ne way to skip 1 ftp? cuz it keeps tryin to conn and i cba waitin for it to time out |
| 04:08.40 | ecstatix | knoppix: what? |
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| 04:08.48 | knoppix | what the fuck are U guys doing??? |
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| 04:09.00 | ecstatix | ural: well, comment it out in the sources.list |
| 04:09.05 | bghfhfg | When I try to log in as root, I enter 'root', press enter, and nothing happens. No prompt. No keyboard response. WHat's wrong? |
| 04:09.06 | thomas_adam | ural: comment it out of /etc/apt/sources.list and re-run apt-get update |
| 04:09.06 | somiaj | thomas_adam: http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~skri9604/Screenshot.png |
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| 04:09.26 | ural | ty thomas_adam, ecstatix |
| 04:09.36 | somiaj | knoppix: drinking beer if you really want to know. |
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| 04:09.43 | knoppix | haha |
| 04:09.45 | polux | re |
| 04:09.49 | knoppix | that's great |
| 04:09.49 | METRON9 | stumped here; Installed proftpd, looks like I have profptd-common installed too but the question here is the stuff I am reading says i can find the proftpd.conf file under /ect or /usr/local/etc (dosent exist on my debian install) I searched drive and can not find proftpd.conf, is there a better manual to start with? |
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| 04:09.51 | polux | i've compiled 3 kernels without rd |
| 04:09.59 | knoppix | I'm smoking weed!! |
| 04:10.02 | polux | but each time i get an error message |
| 04:10.14 | polux | saying that my root option isn't good |
| 04:10.30 | r00t_ | umm |
| 04:10.38 | polux | a kernel panic |
| 04:10.42 | ural | ok guys, im thinkin its time for me to go to bed |
| 04:10.50 | thomas_adam | somiaj: cool! That's nice. |
| 04:10.51 | r00t_ | how much MB of ram should i give my intergrated video card |
| 04:10.52 | r00t_ | ??? |
| 04:10.55 | r00t_ | 128? |
| 04:10.56 | ural | need to walk around manc 2moz |
| 04:10.56 | thomas_adam | ural: :) |
| 04:11.00 | knoppix | how do I change the sise of the letters |
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| 04:11.02 | r00t_ | i have 512 |
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| 04:11.13 | ecstatix | r00t_: dude, no |
| 04:11.18 | debian | knoppix: /server font +1 |
| 04:11.23 | ural | nn all thomas_adam gl with slee[in, somiaj enjoy ur booze |
| 04:11.32 | LoRez | knoppix: /join #knoppix |
| 04:11.35 | thomas_adam | ural: take care |
| 04:11.46 | ecstatix | heck, a AGP using 128M of shared RAM from 512M is weird |
| 04:12.06 | ecstatix | I wish i had somewhere to upload a screenshot :( is there some free website where one can upload pngs? |
| 04:12.15 | polux | my / is on /dev/hda2 |
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| 04:12.17 | knoppix | debian I dont see that option |
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| 04:12.23 | ToreSB | Hello there :) |
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| 04:12.29 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: hello. |
| 04:12.42 | polux | in lilo.conf i have root=/dev/hda2 |
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| 04:12.47 | debian | knoppix: then do as LoRez said |
| 04:12.47 | polux | but at boot time |
| 04:12.50 | ToreSB | polux: Really? Great! |
| 04:13.00 | polux | i get a kernel panic and a vfs error |
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| 04:13.12 | polux | ToreSB yes isn't it.....why then ? |
| 04:13.19 | bob2 | LoRez: come on...you know you want to ;-) |
| 04:13.28 | somiaj | thomas_adam: thanks...(:, what I'm loving about fvwm now is being able to switch workspaces by rolling my mouse though the edge of the screen...(: |
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| 04:13.35 | zeeble | 'lo |
| 04:13.35 | r00t_ | ahem... |
| 04:13.39 | r00t_ | w()()t! |
| 04:13.42 | LoRez | bob2: I know I want to what? |
| 04:13.45 | komodo | im not able to get yahoo to work |
| 04:13.50 | komodo | can anyone help |
| 04:14.04 | Penix | komodo: /j #gaim |
| 04:14.04 | thomas_adam | somiaj: yep. That can be controlled by the "EdgeScroll" style |
| 04:14.07 | lazarus | komodo: wtf? |
| 04:14.09 | zeeble | komodo maybe links www.yahoo.com? |
| 04:14.15 | debian | komodo: /j #yahoo |
| 04:14.19 | bob2 | LoRez: +q knoppix*!*@* |
| 04:14.22 | lazarus | komodo: this is #debian |
| 04:14.23 | polux | komodo : ask ToreSB :) |
| 04:14.25 | zeeble | there is a #yahoo? |
| 04:14.27 | komodo | it says incorrect password |
| 04:14.35 | r00t_ | :D |
| 04:14.49 | LoRez | bob2: you're more than capable |
| 04:14.51 | mwilson | It's also a terribly annoying style. :) |
| 04:14.56 | somiaj | thomas_adam: yup, and window shading attached to the mouse wheel.....I'm glad I ran across fvwm-themes cause I would be way to lazy to use fvwm otherwise. |
| 04:15.03 | thesuave1 | What type of install program does debian use? is it easy or do I have to remember lots of commands? |
| 04:15.09 | zeeble | komodo what says incorrect password? if you are ytalking about the IM feature, apt-get install kopete/gaim/ayttm |
| 04:15.13 | thomas_adam | somiaj: I prefer designing my styles myself. |
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| 04:15.20 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 04:15.26 | komodo | i already have gaim |
| 04:15.28 | mwilson | thesuave1: You have to have a brain. |
| 04:15.30 | thomas_adam | ~tell Makro about root |
| 04:15.33 | polux | bob2 : have you any idea of which common error i could have made to make my kernel still panic at bootime because it doesn't find my root partition ? |
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| 04:15.36 | debian | @tell Makro about root |
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| 04:15.42 | ToreSB | polux: No idea. I'm miserable and grasping for tiny straws of happiness. Good morning. |
| 04:15.47 | komodo | but i changed yahoo to scs.msg.yahoo.com |
| 04:15.48 | Penix | komodo: join #gaim and ask there |
| 04:16.11 | komodo | ok |
| 04:16.20 | polux | ToreSB goog morning :) |
| 04:16.22 | komodo | thanks |
| 04:16.24 | polux | good |
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| 04:16.43 | ToreSB | polux: No, not really. Couldn't sleep. Argh. |
| 04:16.50 | somiaj | ToreSB: I've been called worse...(: |
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| 04:16.53 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: I know how you feel |
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| 04:17.16 | ToreSB | somiaj: Join the club ;) |
| 04:17.22 | mwilson | hm, why doesn't vim suggest exuberant-ctags... |
| 04:17.38 | thomas_adam | mwilson: because the package maintainer doesn't want it to |
| 04:17.42 | komodo | it says i need to be identified to join the channel |
| 04:17.58 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I seem to recall a discussion about this on one of the debian MLs |
| 04:17.59 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Thank you, I *am* smart enough to figure out that much. |
| 04:18.02 | peterS | komodo: so do that |
| 04:18.10 | komodo | how |
| 04:18.12 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: You try being ripped out of bed at 4 am by mom, claiming I woke her up by wondering around (which I did not, I was reading) and said that I can't sleep, and that I'm helping her clean the house anyway today. |
| 04:18.19 | peterS | komodo: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:18.39 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: I do not live with my mum :) |
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| 04:19.23 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: You try getting little enough sleep to not be able to grasp the English language and therefore constantly making monstrous, circling sentences often filled with little deposits of "Eau du Lame" |
| 04:19.31 | Penix | would sed be the appropriate thing to use for formatting an applications output a certain way? |
| 04:19.54 | mwilson | awk, more likely. |
| 04:19.55 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: I haven't slept in 4 days now. I often end up in hospital after about 8 days of no sleep. |
| 04:20.01 | beta3 | Penix: no gawk/awk more likely |
| 04:20.07 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: Oh dear... That's BAD. |
| 04:20.10 | Penix | thanks |
| 04:20.12 | thomas_adam | awk or sed can be used |
| 04:20.13 | lazarus | thomas_adam: often? you never learn? |
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| 04:20.19 | thomas_adam | awk works on columns |
| 04:20.20 | Blissex | penix: surely not, sed is just a stream editor. Use Perl, its formats are pretty powerful. |
| 04:20.33 | JuanValdez | Hola todos personas! |
| 04:20.35 | thomas_adam | lazarus: 1 every three months or so |
| 04:20.36 | debian | how can I unmount a mountpoint which is accidentally mount to the root device. Needless to say, unmount that mountpoint will return device busy. Please help |
| 04:20.52 | thomas_adam | debian: mount -f |
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| 04:21.09 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: I've broken two keyboards falling asleep unexpectedly. I'm 15, and after about 24 hours my body goes *click* and my face goes *WHAMclickyclicky* (I have a Model M) |
| 04:21.13 | komodo | i am so stupid, im not getting intot hat channel |
| 04:21.28 | dbron | where is yenta_socket located int the sarge installer? |
| 04:21.32 | ToreSB | komodo: You need to be a registered Freenode user first :) |
| 04:21.33 | debian | thomas_adam: thanks, I forgot that one. :) |
| 04:21.35 | JuanValdez | I have a linux question. I am installing Debian for the first time... |
| 04:21.43 | ToreSB | dbron: pcmcia_cs or -cs I believe |
| 04:21.55 | dbron | ToreSB: I will look there, thanks |
| 04:21.58 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: Congrats. How may I and the channel be of assistance? |
| 04:21.58 | komodo | how do i do that one |
| 04:22.06 | thomas_adam | debian: bear in mind that if you mean "/" then that wont work since it will still have an entry in /etc/mtab |
| 04:22.14 | ToreSB | komodo: /msg nickserv register password |
| 04:22.18 | peterS | komodo: I alrady told you how |
| 04:22.19 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: eeek |
| 04:22.23 | ToreSB | komodo: /msg nickserv register nick password |
| 04:22.23 | peterS | komodo: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:22.26 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: sounds bad. |
| 04:22.30 | ToreSB | komodo: /msg nickser identify password |
| 04:22.47 | JuanValdez | Well... I am a noob. I went through the partitioning phase and created a 3100MB type 82 partition and a 128MB type 83 partition. |
| 04:22.47 | peterS | ToreSB: if he can't use /msg nickserv help, he probably shouldn't bother to register and join such channels |
| 04:23.16 | peterS | ToreSB: (: |
| 04:23.27 | JuanValdez | I have an old p233 with 64mb of ram but I have 128 to put in it.... Should I have created more partitions? Different? Other? |
| 04:23.33 | METRON9 | if someone can help me with proftpd, im on channel proftpd, I cant find the directory it installed to or the proftpd.conf file. thanks |
| 04:23.39 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: No, it seems OK so far. |
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| 04:23.56 | JuanValdez | OK... I am at the package selection screen now. |
| 04:24.09 | JuanValdez | BTW: Thanks for the warm welcome. :) |
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| 04:24.20 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: There is a rule for swap space which is that you need to make twice the RAM a swap partition but that really isn't too important |
| 04:24.30 | komodo | got it,, thanks |
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| 04:24.39 | lazarus | JuanValdez: conventional wisdom has said that swap whould be "twice the physical ram" |
| 04:24.40 | komodo | it takes me a while to learn it |
| 04:24.40 | debian | thomas_adam: don't worry i wouldn't umount / even if I'm forced to. :) |
| 04:24.43 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: Always a pleasure :) |
| 04:24.44 | JuanValdez | hmmm... I thought it was equal to ram. |
| 04:24.53 | lazarus | JuanValdez: i consider that ratehr important myself |
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| 04:25.08 | JuanValdez | I plan to install 128mb later.... Should I repartition? I can without too much trouble. |
| 04:25.13 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: mind you, if you have >=1Gb RAM, swap spaces are virtually obsolete. |
| 04:25.27 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: In newer ones... But really, you are OK in the partition department. |
| 04:25.28 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: Yeah. |
| 04:25.59 | lazarus | JuanValdez: better to make a couple of extrra swap partitions now, and mount them later when youo need them |
| 04:26.15 | ToreSB | lazarus: Why? |
| 04:26.21 | lazarus | JuanValdez: in the mean time, they can sit idle, or be mounted, as you see fit |
| 04:26.28 | thomas_adam | lazarus: that's complete crap. |
| 04:26.30 | JuanValdez | lazarus: Okay.... Is it BAD for the swap to be too large? |
| 04:26.32 | zeeble | ToreSB so apps swap out, like weird java shit |
| 04:26.33 | Justin_ | no its not |
| 04:26.33 | ToreSB | lazarus: The disk is full now, presumably and it's too much hassle |
| 04:26.34 | peterS | lazarus: swap *files* are not much slower than swap *partitions*, these days, and reportedly with kernel 2.6 they are just as efficient. |
| 04:26.35 | lazarus | JuanValdez: no |
| 04:26.36 | zeeble | thomas_adam no |
| 04:26.46 | peterS | lazarus: and much easier to manage, of course |
| 04:27.02 | lazarus | peterS: not when youo have no room |
| 04:27.13 | Justin_ | i have a 1G swap partition, gets used every now and then, but if my / every gets fucked I can reformat the swap and install debian on it if I need to |
| 04:27.13 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: Don't listen to lazarus. The stuff he said there is orthodixially true, but in reality it makes little difference. |
| 04:27.18 | zeeble | ToreSB just have partitions you can swapon in an emergency |
| 04:27.26 | JuanValdez | lazarus: Than why should I have it broken into multiple partitions? |
| 04:27.32 | lazarus | JuanValdez: do listen to reason, ignore the naysayers and do your own research |
| 04:27.33 | thomas_adam | Justin_: hmm |
| 04:27.34 | peterS | lazarus: if you have no room, then by your earlier advice of creating extra swap partitions "just in case", you would have already run out of room and you'd be in worse shape |
| 04:27.37 | zeeble | OMMFG |
| 04:28.00 | lazarus | JuanValdez: because then you have the option of using only those which youo see fit at any given moment |
| 04:28.17 | lazarus | peterS: wtf are you talking about, that's comlete nonsense |
| 04:28.18 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: This is though a rather depressing feature of this channel... Fights break out over rather silly things. |
| 04:28.41 | JuanValdez | OK guys.... I am making a decision.... |
| 04:28.45 | lazarus | peterS: you can't fill a partition beyond 100% and "overflow" into some other partition |
| 04:28.48 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: No, the general opinion here is that you don't need more space. |
| 04:28.49 | zeeble | ToreSB wtf told you that swap is useless when you have a lot of RAM? its just that swap does'nt get used much, and very very rarel, that's admitted, but when it is needed, you better have a backup. especially when diskspace is cheap, a 200-400M swap partition does'nt hurt |
| 04:28.58 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: people have their heads up their arse. A display of "I know better than you". Sucks, really. |
| 04:29.02 | JuanValdez | I am going to repartition a 256 mb swap file. |
| 04:29.05 | lazarus | JuanValdez: READ the available documentation out there about this |
| 04:29.09 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: Yeah. |
| 04:29.16 | komodo | not getting any help there |
| 04:29.18 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: All right :) |
| 04:29.29 | peterS | lazarus: correct. you can't. therefore, creating extra partitions "just in case you need more swap" will waste space. by the time you get to the point where you're out of room, you find yourself with about 128MB less flexibility than you would otherwise have had at that juncture. |
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| 04:29.40 | JuanValdez | lazarus: I plan to.... Right now I *NEED* to get my hands dirty though. :) I plan to have this installed in less than an hour.... |
| 04:29.47 | ToreSB | komodo: It's a relatively idle channel. Plant bait, and wait for someone to byte. |
| 04:29.48 | lazarus | peterS: you really have your head up there huh? |
| 04:29.50 | mwilson | It's more important to be able to wank about how wonderful their box is without any swap and only a copy of Mozilla downloading pr0n running. |
| 04:30.02 | peterS | lazarus: I'm looking to see where your head is, yeah. |
| 04:30.03 | zeeble | heh |
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| 04:30.09 | lazarus | JuanValdez: read the install guide on the web site, at least twice, then |
| 04:30.19 | komodo | i got kicked |
| 04:30.22 | Justin_ | komodo: no, you ignored what they said and they kicked you, good job |
| 04:30.24 | ToreSB | peterS: That was a crap comeback... literally :) |
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| 04:31.02 | ToreSB | zeeble: HE'S NOT RUNNING A FRIGGIN DATABASE - HE'S PLAYING WITH HIS FIRST LINUX BOX. |
| 04:31.02 | komodo | all they said was topic |
| 04:31.09 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: calm. |
| 04:31.13 | JuanValdez | lazarus: I started reading that and decided that I can read for 4 hours or just do it.... Don't get me wrong... I will read it soon... but AFTER I've installed it. |
| 04:31.13 | komodo | i said i read that and i got kicked |
| 04:31.24 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: Not after all this coffee I ain't! ;) |
| 04:31.27 | beta3 | brb new kernel |
| 04:31.28 | thomas_adam | zeeble: that was a rather specific example, to be honest. |
| 04:31.29 | zeeble | ToreSB how much RAM did he say he had |
| 04:31.32 | lazarus | JuanValdez: then plan on starting over after you hose things irreparably |
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| 04:31.41 | ToreSB | zeeble: 64, but he was adding 128. |
| 04:31.42 | mwilson | ToreSB: Then he might as well grow a brain from the start, if he can. |
| 04:32.16 | lazarus | ToreSB: exactly what the rest have told you, sheesh, stop giving bad advice |
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| 04:32.23 | ToreSB | mwilson: JuanValdez has so far seemed like a perfectly intelligent, sensible, and friendly person. I see no point in that remark. |
| 04:32.27 | Arcanjo | hello, i'm novice in xchat and linux...i'm Brazilian...how do you do? |
| 04:32.35 | ToreSB | Arcanjo: We're fine, thank you. |
| 04:32.50 | zeeble | ToreSB a first time linux user, using 192M ram, will prolly use X, and you promising me using gnome/mozilla/evolution it wont swap out? |
| 04:32.50 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: it's ok. mwilson has issues |
| 04:32.54 | Arcanjo | are in USA? |
| 04:33.00 | METRON9 | can someone tell me how to search using a wild card can i use find / pro*.* to find proftpd.conf or anything starting with pro on my drive, or I will have to delete proftpd and try something else, any suggestions on another ftp package that has files that the manual ssys are on the system that are not? |
| 04:33.06 | mwilson | ToreSB: You see no reason why a person shouldn't start off with a clue, rather than starting off stupid? That's an... interesting position. |
| 04:33.11 | ToreSB | Arcanjo: Happily, no. I live in the Free World. |
| 04:33.26 | andycb | how could i compile a source code with only the base installed? |
| 04:33.26 | thomas_adam | METRON9: find / -name 'pro*' |
| 04:33.35 | Arcanjo | Ok, hehehehe Free World....i belive so... |
| 04:33.39 | andycb | if its not possible.. could u tell me what drivers i need |
| 04:33.46 | zeeble | andycb you need the compiler, libraries, etc |
| 04:33.47 | andycb | not drivers sorry.. packages |
| 04:33.50 | peterS | METRON9: try: strings /usr/sbin/proftpd | grep /etc |
| 04:34.00 | andycb | zeeble: gcc? |
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| 04:34.21 | zeeble | andycb see if tasksel is installed, and check on teh C/C++ development tab |
| 04:34.35 | zeeble | andycb gcc plus a bunch of other things |
| 04:34.40 | ToreSB | Arcanjo: Europe ^_^ |
| 04:34.41 | JuanValdez | lazarus: NP... I am definately still a linux noob but this isn't my first Linux install.... just the first one that doesn't nold your hand (i.e. like RedHat). |
| 04:35.02 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: That's a nice incline in skill level |
| 04:35.24 | thomas_adam | England |
| 04:35.25 | zeeble | atleast you are forced to know more about your hardware |
| 04:35.28 | Arcanjo | I'm speak(write) much bad in english...sorry! |
| 04:35.29 | ToreSB | JuanValdez: I did RH6 and learned the basics then progressed to Deb 3 when that came out |
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| 04:35.49 | ToreSB | Arcanjo: So far we can understand you, and isn't that what matters? :) |
| 04:35.57 | Arcanjo | Gosto mesmo é do português, francês e alemão...(embora não fale nenhum deles) |
| 04:36.06 | METRON9 | i see it is in the directory (didnt use | more with ls) cool thanks |
| 04:36.10 | thomas_adam | ~tell Arcanjo about portugeuse |
| 04:36.12 | zeeble | ToreSB i'm sure you did'nt understand that --^^ |
| 04:36.16 | zeeble | :) |
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| 04:36.29 | zeeble | protuguese |
| 04:36.30 | peterS | thomas_adam: n00b (: |
| 04:36.31 | andycb | zeeble: the problem is, its the source for my network card drivers, and so i cant directly connect to the internet from that machine.. i can transfer files via cds though.. |
| 04:36.39 | thomas_adam | peterS: quiet you! |
| 04:36.43 | zeeble | andycb do you have the first CD? |
| 04:37.01 | andycb | no, only the base.. |
| 04:37.32 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: It is rather interesting. |
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| 04:37.41 | Arcanjo | vc fala português? |
| 04:37.56 | thomas_adam | ~tell Arcanjo about portuguese |
| 04:38.13 | zeeble | andycb after you are done with teh base install, type "tasksel" as root. it should be installed in base, if not, do apt-get install tasksel. then type tasksel, it will show you a set of package tasks. select the C/C++ development and then Finish. It will install all teh packages that are necessary for C/C++ compilation. then you can go ahead and compile |
| 04:38.39 | thomas_adam | zeeble: tasksel is part of the base install. |
| 04:38.56 | zeeble | andycb you might also want to install the libncurses5-dev to be able to use make menuconfig |
| 04:38.56 | Arcanjo | tanks thomas_adam i go to debian-br |
| 04:38.59 | thomas_adam | personally I say AVOID tasksel and just install packages as you go. |
| 04:39.08 | snoke | is there any else system like shoutcast but better what can stream live audio/video in real time ? |
| 04:39.12 | METRON9 | the linux commands listing at ss64.com shows no ' ' marks when I tried to figure out how to use find, it has no examples, is there a better place for a newbe to find linux commands with examples? |
| 04:39.16 | andycb | zeeble: k.. ill give it a try.. can you use the "make install" command with that? |
| 04:39.27 | thomas_adam | andycb: yes |
| 04:39.34 | thomas_adam | andycb: apt-get install make |
| 04:39.38 | andycb | thomas_adam: ok thanks |
| 04:39.42 | thomas_adam | andycb: :) |
| 04:39.49 | zeeble | thomas_adam re-read what i said. it says base install includes tasksel. |
| 04:40.06 | mwilson | METRON9: You're so special, of course, that you'd never read the man page for find. |
| 04:40.06 | zeeble | thomas_adam and can you explain how tasksel is different from apt-get? |
| 04:40.15 | thomas_adam | zeeble: yes, but you weren't sure, so I clarified it for you. |
| 04:40.32 | METRON9 | how do i do that, i am really new here, man find? |
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| 04:40.37 | JuanValdez | Any of you guys run knoppix? |
| 04:40.46 | thomas_adam | zeeble: yes, tasksel has a pre-select number of packages. apt-get relies on you *telling* which packages to install. |
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| 04:40.54 | METRON9 | i see |
| 04:40.54 | zeeble | thomas_adam hehe, been some time since i installed last :) |
| 04:40.56 | shwag | anyone ever used fax4CUPS ? I can use the fax modem from minicom just fine, and when I try to send a print job to fax0, it just says printer status BUSY. not sure what to do next. |
| 04:41.08 | METRON9 | thanks i like manuals |
| 04:41.17 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: /J #knoppix |
| 04:41.18 | zeeble | thomas_adam got the base on a CD from which i dd to teh disk, which is again rare. |
| 04:41.20 | applejack | any reason NOT to run 2.6 on a production server? |
| 04:41.29 | thomas_adam | zeeble: ;) |
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| 04:41.44 | thomas_adam | applejack: that is a rather stupid question |
| 04:41.53 | lazarus | applejack: of course not |
| 04:41.58 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.1 |
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| 04:42.14 | applejack | matter of opinion, that's why I ask |
| 04:42.19 | Justin_ | METRON9: http://www.debian.org/doc/#manuals |
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| 04:42.27 | JuanValdez | thomas_adam: I have a question for you then... I run knoppix on my laptop so I can have something live to carry with me. |
| 04:42.33 | bda | applejack: If it works, why fuck with it. |
| 04:42.36 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: right... |
| 04:42.37 | Arcanjo | #debian-br |
| 04:42.45 | applejack | bda, well, it does not |
| 04:42.47 | MrLoki | what is the user privileges file to edit for ftp? |
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| 04:42.59 | applejack | 2.4 io scheduler sucks |
| 04:43.03 | MrLoki | e.g user a can create dir etc |
| 04:43.05 | thomas_adam | MrLoki: depends on the dtpd |
| 04:43.07 | bda | As I just upgraded everything to 2.4.24 this week. |
| 04:43.11 | thomas_adam | s/dtpd/ftpd/ |
| 04:43.23 | METRON9 | thankyou justin :) |
| 04:43.24 | MrLoki | cool thanks i'll look |
| 04:43.25 | bda | applejack: Compres to the 2.6 scheduler, sure. |
| 04:43.31 | bda | er. Compared. |
| 04:43.52 | JuanValdez | thomas_adam: After running for a while it starts KILLING the cdrom drive and gets less and less responsive until it halts.... It only does this sometimes and not others. any ideas? |
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| 04:44.08 | beta3 | whois beta3 |
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| 04:44.26 | applejack | not just compared,..... it really does,.... running pg, and pg's blocked io during checkpoint almost makes the disc read io grind to a halt |
| 04:44.34 | jason_ | how do i have a device automatically mounted into a certain location on bootup? |
| 04:44.52 | Justin_ | JuanValdez: rm /etc/cron.daily/find, maybe |
| 04:44.53 | zeeble | jason_ what sort of mounting? |
| 04:44.54 | bda | applejack: I haven't run into that problem, but I don't run Postgres (or anything, really) under anything more than moderate load. |
| 04:44.56 | applejack | jason_, /etc/fstab |
| 04:45.02 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: it might have something to do with *what* you're running from it. If you're using an application which is constantly reading from the drive then...well, who knows? I have never heard of a drive locking up like that though. Why not just install knoppix to your HD? |
| 04:45.05 | bda | And I suspect the dual Operton db server has something to do with that. :D |
| 04:45.20 | beta3 | who has topic powers |
| 04:45.22 | Whistleboy | are there any 2.6.1 debs yet? |
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| 04:45.36 | somiaj | what is the best way to change the root fs from ext2, to ext3, can you just change it while mounted, or should ya reboot into single user mode and do it there? |
| 04:45.37 | applejack | bda, I do, and this happens every 10 minutes, and the checkpoints take about 2minutes each |
| 04:45.37 | beta3 | major flaws in 2.6.1-mm1, major advisory not to use it |
| 04:45.46 | bda | applejack: So upgrade? :) |
| 04:45.47 | beta3 | it will make a million kernel oops |
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| 04:45.58 | Whistleboy | beta3: really, what kind of flaws? |
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| 04:46.07 | beta3 | Whistleboy: as in, your machine segfaults on boot |
| 04:46.08 | bda | Though I haven't heard anyone else -- who do run heavy load db server -- run into that problem with 2.4. |
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| 04:46.17 | thomas_adam | Justin_: how would a CD-based distro have cron scheduled to run something like that? It wouldn't be able to update anything! |
| 04:46.18 | Whistleboy | beta3: nice! |
| 04:46.19 | beta3 | Whistleboy: the kernel oops are killer |
| 04:46.31 | applejack | bda,... I will, just wanted to know if there was any concerns at all |
| 04:46.41 | bda | Haven't heard anything bad. |
| 04:46.50 | Whistleboy | beta3: Unfortunately I have big time mouse problems on 2.6 that I am hoping 2.6.1 solves. |
| 04:46.55 | somiaj | beta3: yup, its oopin like crazy over here...(: |
| 04:47.01 | Whistleboy | beta3: What is the "mm" kernel? |
| 04:47.15 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: the gentoo ppc live cd did that to me before |
| 04:47.19 | peterS | Whistleboy: if you don't know about the mm series, you probably need to stay with 2.4 kernels for the time being |
| 04:47.38 | thomas_adam | Justin_: ah, that's gentoo though! Shite through and through. |
| 04:47.44 | beta3 | Whistleboy: the maintainer of the branch's special experimental patches, including updates of the latest drivers, like an -ac patch for 2.6, it has updated dri and alsa this time |
| 04:47.44 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: exactly that, practically killed the cdrom drive and slowed the system to a crawl until i could kill it |
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| 04:47.52 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: Will you marry me?> |
| 04:48.02 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: i dunno if knoppix has it turned off, can't remember |
| 04:48.07 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: maybe |
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| 04:48.09 | bda | Eh. portage has its points. |
| 04:48.15 | thomas_adam | Justin_: pass. |
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| 04:48.25 | ToreSB | bda: Rectal points. |
| 04:48.25 | Whistleboy | so when they say "latest stable kernel is 2.6.1", is that stretching it? |
| 04:48.34 | bda | ToreSB: LOLZ OMG GUD 1!!!1 |
| 04:48.46 | bda | Whistleboy: Possibly they mean only the release? :P |
| 04:49.03 | bda | Instead of the "experimental branch"? |
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| 04:49.37 | ToreSB | bda: Expect immature defence of Debian in... Erm, in #debian. Nitwit. |
| 04:49.38 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good documentation for the linux advance system admins stuff |
| 04:49.39 | thomas_adam | why is everyone going f**** bananas about this 'experimental' branch? |
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| 04:49.55 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: www.tldp.org |
| 04:50.06 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: see what they have to say. |
| 04:50.12 | bda | ToreSB: Sorry, some of us left high school behind when we graduated. :-) |
| 04:50.12 | Whistleboy | bda: ok. I just had to rebuild my machine after a hard drive crash, and was hoping I could live with 2.6 instead of having to get everything working on 2.4 and have to migrate to 2.6 eventually |
| 04:50.22 | xerophyte | thomas_adam thx but i have been there a around million time |
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| 04:50.28 | bda | Whistleboy: "Migrate"? If you say so. :-) |
| 04:50.35 | somiaj | beta3: did you read about any possible damage all those oops could cause...most of the stuff I'm getting has to do with hdd my cdrw so I should be ok |
| 04:50.39 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: did you look at the "guides" as opposed to the howtos? |
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| 04:50.57 | JuanValdez | Sorry about my sudden departure... |
| 04:50.59 | Whistleboy | bda: upgrade?\ |
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| 04:51.10 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: I never noticed. |
| 04:51.12 | xerophyte | thomas_adam looked at all the links i am just looking some magic book or doc which will explain some stuff neat ;) |
| 04:51.19 | bda | Whistleboy: Sorry, I compile kernels like I drink jaegermeister. |
| 04:51.21 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: such as? |
| 04:51.23 | bda | It ain't no thang. :D |
| 04:51.27 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: Hey, greycat clone. |
| 04:51.36 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: how do you mean? |
| 04:51.42 | beta3 | somiaj: I got a bunh about iptables |
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| 04:51.54 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: greycat photocopied his face an taped it to yours. |
| 04:51.55 | JuanValdez | OK.... |
| 04:51.57 | ToreSB | bda: I haven't graduated from it. Oh, and the lack of sleep has slowly beaten my brain to death worse than any arbitrary Christianity class could. |
| 04:52.02 | JuanValdez | !st debian lesson... |
| 04:52.02 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: ha |
| 04:52.03 | somiaj | beta3: ahh, yea this is just a desktop, really as long as the kernel doesn't fuck with my ext3 fs I am happy...(: |
| 04:52.08 | JuanValdez | 2nd actually... |
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| 04:52.30 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I'm not totally sure why, but I think he was impressed by your knowledge. |
| 04:52.33 | Whistleboy | bda: I don't do it so often,but when I get into doing it, I tend to tinker around until I screw things up so badly it takes me a while to get things working again, and then I stay there for a while :-) |
| 04:52.43 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: are you trolling? |
| 04:52.50 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: lol |
| 04:52.52 | sgeigerbot | no |
| 04:52.56 | beta3 | somiaj: a kernel that constantly oops isn't good, so I switched back to the old one |
| 04:53.02 | JuanValdez | I need to pop off the case and write down the video chipset, the nic make and model and the sound make and model.... (It's all integrated into the mobo. |
| 04:53.07 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: or just paying me a rather warped compliment somehow? |
| 04:53.12 | Whistleboy | bda: so 2.4.24 a good one? The mouse thing is killing me |
| 04:53.24 | somiaj | beta3: yea I'm switching back, just glad the ext3 stuff is ok in it..(: |
| 04:53.39 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: If you have the logs from the last week, search for the word "photocopy" |
| 04:53.40 | ToreSB | bda: And I sort of am unsure whether or not 'arbitrary' was the correct word to use in the context |
| 04:53.49 | Justin_ | JuanValdez: no you don't |
| 04:53.51 | bda | "mouse thing"? |
| 04:53.52 | sgeigerbot | ...or perhaps "photocopies" |
| 04:53.52 | Bac9 | JuanValdez: lspci should help a bit |
| 04:53.54 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: I have better things to do :) |
| 04:54.10 | bda | 2.4.24 is the latest stable kernel. It has the rmmap fix (local root exploit) among other things. shrug. |
| 04:54.12 | Whistleboy | bda: when I have load on my system, the mouse goes nuts running all over the screen clicking on things |
| 04:54.19 | beta3 | somiaj: 2.6.1 looks stable enough, refrain from -mm patches till he reaches 4 |
| 04:54.24 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: apt-get install pciutils && lspci -v |
| 04:54.28 | bda | If you're running anything before .24 and you run services/have user accounts, you should upgrade. |
| 04:54.28 | beta3 | since I know he will with that many bugs |
| 04:54.31 | bda | Or just run 2.6.1. |
| 04:54.50 | Bac9 | bda both .23 and .24 oops on boot for me |
| 04:54.58 | somiaj | beta3: yea I was just checking out the -mm for the first time, I heard there was support for my 3com gigabit card in there, but couldnt' find it so I really don't need the -mm ones...guess I picked the wrong one to play with though..(: |
| 04:55.05 | bda | Like I said, I'll wait til 2.6.2 to upgrade my work machines, as I just went through three dozen boxes this week upgrading because of the exploit. |
| 04:55.08 | Whistleboy | bda: do you miss am emoticon on the 2.6.1 comment? |
| 04:55.10 | karsten | Anyone here use jwhois and have suggestions on improving performance? |
| 04:55.11 | bda | Bac9: Debian kernel or self-compiled? |
| 04:55.14 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Thanks :) |
| 04:55.18 | Bac9 | bda: self |
| 04:55.26 | thomas_adam | karsten: ;) |
| 04:55.33 | JuanValdez | lspci? Hmmmm.... then I should continue with the installation and install peripherals after the fact? |
| 04:55.43 | karsten | thomas_adam: ? |
| 04:55.48 | bda | Bac9: Post your .config somewhere. |
| 04:55.57 | bda | (Not on IRC) |
| 04:55.58 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: if you like |
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| 04:56.07 | helix | karsten: i think he's still hitting on you from when you were me |
| 04:56.10 | helix | or something |
| 04:56.14 | Bac9 | bda: same config I used with .22, I just use make oldconfig |
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| 04:56.18 | karsten | helix: Ah... |
| 04:56.24 | bda | Bac9: Then it shouldn't oops you. :) |
| 04:56.26 | bda | That's odd. |
| 04:56.32 | helix | karsten: i'm probably wrong. maybe he just likes you (as a person). |
| 04:56.34 | bda | I assume this is vanilla source from kernel.org? |
| 04:56.43 | helix | ...which i'd have a hard time believing |
| 04:56.45 | Bac9 | bda: the iptables bug seems to be getting me, it's slated to be fixed for .25 |
| 04:56.46 | helix | !kick karsten |
| 04:56.50 | bda | karsten: :( |
| 04:56.51 | thomas_adam | karsten: eh? |
| 04:56.54 | karsten | Yum. |
| 04:56.56 | bda | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.00 | bda | Something FABU. |
| 04:57.01 | karsten | thomas_adam: See helix's comments. |
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| 04:57.08 | bda | Bac9: What iptables bug? |
| 04:57.15 | thomas_adam | ~fruitsmite helix |
| 04:57.19 | | ACTION smites helix with a couple of mangos |
| 04:57.19 | helix | haha, fabu |
| 04:57.20 | helix | ooh, i love fruit |
| 04:57.28 | helix | mango! |
| 04:57.36 | helix | thomas_adam: thanks :) |
| 04:57.40 | Bac9 | bda: well it oopses on iptables, so I am guessing it's the MASQ bug that's fixed in the pre-1 of .25 |
| 04:57.42 | JuanValdez | thomas_adam: Are you recommending I switch to another console and run that command or run it after I complete installation? |
| 04:57.46 | Whistleboy | bda: so, no 2.4.24 source deb??? |
| 04:57.50 | thomas_adam | "couple of mangos" -- that a euphamism? |
| 04:58.00 | ToreSB | sgeigerbot: :D |
| 04:58.07 | bda | Whistleboy: Beats me, I use kernel.org source. |
| 04:58.14 | Whistleboy | bda: ok. |
| 04:58.15 | peterS | thomas_adam: what do you suppose apt really had in mind? I'm having trouble imagining |
| 04:58.19 | helix | ToreSB: you already proposed to thomas_adam. you shouldn't be smiling at other men.. |
| 04:58.21 | thomas_adam | JuanValdez: run it after you have all your PCI cards in your machine |
| 04:58.23 | bda | Bac9: ahh. |
| 04:58.31 | thomas_adam | peterS: try not to. |
| 04:58.42 | Bac9 | bda: so I am waiting to see what'll stabilize first 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 04:59.09 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.1 |
| 04:59.10 | ToreSB | Actually, people call me archaic for using old dial-up terminals with acoustic couplers, but they can beat a VGA display hollow as to reliability, I mHjHlko&^*&^I(675&65*76 NO CARRIER |
| 04:59.11 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: why did you propose to me? |
| 04:59.12 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.13 | snoke | can somewhere see what params bootloader give kernel when it's boots ? |
| 04:59.18 | ToreSB | thomas_adam: You flamed Gentoo |
| 04:59.24 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: :) |
| 04:59.28 | ToreSB | helix: We have an "agreement". |
| 04:59.37 | helix | that's all it takes to get a proposal these days? |
| 04:59.48 | thomas_adam | helix: that, and a large sum of money |
| 04:59.51 | Bac9 | sgeigerbot: XP stabilize? do you meen the AMD CPU? as I cannot think of any other XPs that stand a chance of stabilizing |
| 04:59.55 | helix | thomas_adam: ah. a dowry |
| 05:00.01 | sgeigerbot | helix: No, I think it takes phone sex, too. |
| 05:00.02 | bda | Burn. |
| 05:00.02 | ToreSB | helix: I tried it on a chix0r and she just looked at me puzzled and walked away |
| 05:00.03 | thomas_adam | helix: incentive. |
| 05:00.12 | helix | sgeigerbot: they must come to you for advice then :) |
| 05:00.21 | helix | ToreSB: aw |
| 05:00.47 | thomas_adam | See you later, all. |
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| 05:00.57 | helix | night |
| 05:01.07 | ToreSB | I have exactly estimated my total sum of money to be the $3 in front of me. |
| 05:01.20 | floppyears | has anyone here tried pysol |
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| 05:01.29 | thomas_away | floppyears: yes, it is quite good |
| 05:01.32 | droopy | pysol rules |
| 05:01.35 | helix | ToreSB: that isn't much of a dowry. good thing you're the groom |
| 05:01.36 | beta3 | gnite |
| 05:01.41 | droopy | its BIG |
| 05:01.44 | peterS | what's the thing about Python programmers? |
| 05:01.45 | floppyears | do you guys know how to make the cards any bigger |
| 05:01.46 | ToreSB | helix: I am? Neat. |
| 05:01.58 | thomas_away | floppyears: use 'xmag' |
| 05:02.04 | helix | ToreSB: maybe the bride? i'm not sure |
| 05:02.09 | peterS | why do they seemingly always feel the need to evangelise their language of choice in the names of their applications? |
| 05:02.14 | helix | @tuck thomas_away |
| 05:02.16 | ToreSB | Defining pathetic: Headbanging to ABBA |
| 05:02.25 | thomas_away | hehehe |
| 05:02.35 | thomas_away | <-- *gone* |
| 05:02.37 | ToreSB | I suck. *sips coffee* |
| 05:02.38 | Justin_ | peterS: what else should they call it? |
| 05:02.44 | ToreSB | thomas_away: I see that. |
| 05:02.49 | peterS | Justin_: well ... anything they want |
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| 05:03.03 | peterS | Justin_: I just don't see the same trend in Perl programmers to name everything in some way that points to Perl having been used |
| 05:03.06 | lazarus | yet-another-stupid-card-game |
| 05:03.10 | floppyears | thomas_away:thanks |
| 05:03.13 | peterS | Justin_: likewise any other language other than python |
| 05:03.17 | JuanValdez | ok... |
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| 05:03.19 | Justin_ | peterS: well thats a lie! they name everything .pl! |
| 05:03.19 | xerophyte | Can someone tell me best iptable front end console firewall which takes most of the stuff outof the box |
| 05:03.28 | helix | karsten: gosh, i wonder what you'd like me to do with those |
| 05:03.31 | lazarus | peterS: um, tcl? |
| 05:03.47 | peterS | lazarus: that's considered a real language these days? |
| 05:03.53 | fooz | aol uses it |
| 05:04.02 | lazarus | peterS: tcl/tk seem to have that same tendency |
| 05:04.02 | helix | isn't it pronounced "tickle"? |
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| 05:04.06 | fooz | helix, yes |
| 05:04.09 | peterS | lazarus: anyway, 'expect' is written in tcl, but I don't ever remember hearing it called 'TclExpect' or any such |
| 05:04.10 | helix | jesus |
| 05:04.17 | fooz | yes? |
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| 05:04.21 | peterS | helix: not by me. I've always spelled it out |
| 05:04.25 | helix | you suck |
| 05:04.34 | helix | peterS: i heard someone call it tickle.. and was amused |
| 05:04.36 | fooz | heathen |
| 05:04.42 | helix | but i wasn't sure that was the accepted pronunciation |
| 05:04.43 | lazarus | peterS: ls /usr/bin/tk* |
| 05:04.51 | daniel__ | hi |
| 05:04.55 | maher | my rice cooker broke |
| 05:04.55 | peterS | helix: me too, but I can't see calling it that myself |
| 05:05.02 | helix | peterS: i'd laugh at you |
| 05:05.05 | helix | maher: nooooooooooo! |
| 05:05.10 | daniel__ | who can help me i am new to debian |
| 05:05.11 | peterS | helix: you laugh at me anyway |
| 05:05.15 | daniel__ | please send priv |
| 05:05.19 | helix | peterS: that's true |
| 05:05.23 | ToreSB | maher: WHO DID THIS TO YOU? I WILL KILL HIM WITH MAH BARE FISTS!! |
| 05:05.24 | helix | !laugh at peterS |
| 05:05.25 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! peterS just cracks me up! |
| 05:05.28 | maher | helix: it was bad - but i managed to cope.... |
| 05:05.35 | helix | maher: what did you do? |
| 05:05.41 | lazarus | peterS: of course, if you have kde, try ls /usr/bin/k* too, and most of those will be of similar ilk |
| 05:05.55 | helix | not that i'm advanced enough to have a rice cooker |
| 05:05.57 | peterS | lazarus: that's also true. not a language, but it's I guess the same mentality |
| 05:05.58 | helix | i use a plain old pot |
| 05:06.01 | maher | i dunno - it just stopped working - how can the rice cooker break? i thas like one moving part |
| 05:06.02 | JuanValdez | I just manually set my network config in order to silence Debian. How hard will it be to change that to DHCP / PUMP later? |
| 05:06.14 | fooz | ipsec is a pain to use :/ |
| 05:06.14 | peterS | maher: dunno, I don't use mine very often |
| 05:06.15 | sgeigerbot | helix: may I quote you? |
| 05:06.18 | helix | maher: i have no idea |
| 05:06.21 | fooz | my IKEs keep on crashing |
| 05:06.24 | lazarus | peterS: at least /usr/bin/g* here has a lot of things that aren't gnome, like gpg :) |
| 05:06.25 | helix | sgeigerbot: depends. what's the quote and where did you get it? |
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| 05:06.44 | lazarus | JuanValdez: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:06.44 | zeeble | JuanValdez easy. you can dpkg-reconfigure anything later. or manually edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:06.50 | helix | nothing i said above was worth quoting so.. |
| 05:06.57 | helix | argh |
| 05:07.00 | helix | stop it! |
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| 05:07.14 | ToreSB | maher: The rice? |
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| 05:07.17 | maher | helix: rice cookers are great - they stop when they're done - like toasters |
| 05:07.23 | helix | oh, neat.. |
| 05:07.28 | peterS | yes, they're almost magic |
| 05:07.32 | JuanValdez | Thanks lazarus and zeeble... I rtfm as soon as I get that system up and running. |
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| 05:07.38 | helix | maher: can you cook lentils in them? |
| 05:07.43 | peterS | and they can keep the rice in a pretty decent state for *hours* |
| 05:07.44 | zeeble | yeah |
| 05:07.48 | droopy | I always wanted a pressure cooker |
| 05:07.48 | helix | hm |
| 05:07.51 | ToreSB | I eat rice so rarely that it does not warrant it own cooker. |
| 05:07.51 | zeeble | helix you need a pressure cooker |
| 05:07.53 | filp | wooo, got my debian unstable back, bloody morphix install |
| 05:07.54 | JuanValdez | OK. I am installing the base system now. |
| 05:07.56 | JuanValdez | Yeah! |
| 05:08.00 | helix | i think i have one of those |
| 05:08.10 | maher | helix: i dunno - you can steam thing sin them |
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| 05:08.18 | helix | i need to keep closer tabs on my appliances |
| 05:08.22 | helix | maher: steam sin? neat |
| 05:08.31 | maher | helix: umm... that too... |
| 05:08.35 | helix | :P |
| 05:08.38 | zeeble | maher try to put some fish slices, dab them with some oil, mustard and steam it. tastes yummy |
| 05:08.56 | helix | peterS: do you own a rice cooker? |
| 05:08.59 | peterS | yeah |
| 05:09.03 | helix | what?! |
| 05:09.05 | helix | you don't even cook! |
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| 05:09.12 | peterS | I don't use it often. but I was once given one |
| 05:09.21 | helix | i need one of these things |
| 05:09.22 | gnupengwyn | mkinitrd is missing where is it |
| 05:09.23 | sgeigerbot | helix: making toast is not cooking. Btw, this is Debian. |
| 05:09.27 | ToreSB | I have a...whatsitcalled... fritte cooker...? |
| 05:09.28 | helix | my rice turns out just dandy |
| 05:09.32 | helix | sgeigerbot: bite me |
| 05:09.41 | peterS | careful what you wish for |
| 05:09.47 | helix | good point |
| 05:09.54 | helix | HAHA NOW YOU HAVE HEPATITIS |
| 05:10.03 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:10.06 | gnupengwyn | i wish for a 2.6 kernel with nvidia + audigy + cinelerra |
| 05:10.17 | zeeble | what is cinelerra? |
| 05:10.17 | JuanValdez | Hey, I have another question... On the screen where it said "A cd in one of your drives has Debian packages, would you like to use this as a base intallation group" or something like that, I said yes... Had I said no what would have happened? |
| 05:10.22 | sgeigerbot | ~+hepatitis |
| 05:10.29 | gnupengwyn | a cool Nle |
| 05:10.37 | peterS | gnupengwyn: do the two 2.6 emu10k1 drivers not work with your audigy? |
| 05:10.39 | zeeble | gnupengwyn nle? |
| 05:10.41 | bda | Nle? |
| 05:10.44 | daniel__ | i have a problem |
| 05:10.47 | gnupengwyn | zeeble: a non linear editor for video |
| 05:10.48 | peterS | zeeble: non-linear (video) editor |
| 05:10.51 | droopy | gnupengwyn goto apt-get.org |
| 05:10.51 | bda | huh. |
| 05:10.59 | daniel__ | i have 21 port filter |
| 05:10.59 | helix | daniel__: so ask your question |
| 05:11.00 | sgeigerbot | ~+helix |
| 05:11.02 | | from memory, helix is definitely willing to do that. In fact, that is in progress. |
| 05:11.02 | zeeble | peterS aha. too bad i dont use apt-cache |
| 05:11.09 | daniel__ | i dont knwo why |
| 05:11.11 | CasStyle | hello to all |
| 05:11.18 | daniel__ | i dont have a fw |
| 05:11.24 | daniel__ | .. |
| 05:11.27 | daniel__ | maybe i do |
| 05:11.31 | Justin_ | daniel__: your isp sucks? |
| 05:11.33 | daniel__ | i am new to debian |
| 05:11.35 | gnupengwyn | maybe i should say something |
| 05:11.47 | daniel__ | Justin |
| 05:11.49 | gnupengwyn | i am trying to replace woody with sid |
| 05:11.53 | daniel__ | i dont think is mi isp |
| 05:11.58 | droopy | gnupengwyn goto apt-get.org |
| 05:11.59 | gnupengwyn | ergo the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:12.00 | peterS | zeeble: I didn't use apt-cache - I just happened to read something about cinelerra recently |
| 05:12.02 | gnupengwyn | k |
| 05:12.07 | sgeigerbot | daniel__: Somebody once told me that RETURN is not punctuation. |
| 05:12.07 | Justin_ | daniel__: then don't think, look |
| 05:12.09 | JuanValdez | Anyone? |
| 05:12.10 | zeeble | peterS hmm, ok. |
| 05:12.20 | daniel__ | where .. |
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| 05:12.24 | daniel__ | how .. |
| 05:12.28 | daniel__ | Justin |
| 05:12.32 | zeeble | Ricky ritesh |
| 05:12.34 | LoRez | ~tell Daniel__ about enter |
| 05:12.45 | zeeble | Ricky now that's a name of one of my classmates |
| 05:12.57 | daniel__ | .. |
| 05:12.58 | Ricky | my name too |
| 05:13.01 | daniel__ | ??? |
| 05:13.22 | peterS | zeeble: cinelerra isn't in testing so apt-cache show wouldn't have helped me anyway (: it is very google friendly though |
| 05:13.26 | gnupengwyn | you should say bookmark apt-get.org |
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| 05:13.32 | gnupengwyn | but i digress |
| 05:13.36 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:13.37 | daniel__ | LoRez |
| 05:13.50 | JuanValdez | I installed LILO to the MBR rather than the bootsector of HDA1. |
| 05:13.50 | LoRez | daniel__ it means, lay off the enter key |
| 05:13.59 | zeeble | JuanValdez well done |
| 05:14.15 | daniel__ | lay off the enter kew how is that |
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| 05:14.23 | JuanValdez | zeeble: Thanks... First boot... Let's see what happens. |
| 05:14.28 | daniel__ | i dont speak very well inglish |
| 05:14.33 | droopy | gnupengwyn Have made source.list from there....its hit and miss but you can get a good start. |
| 05:14.39 | gnupengwyn | okay im stuck, although that link was cool. and may bail me out later. http://apt-get.org/search.php?query=mkinitrd&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 05:14.42 | daniel__ | LoRez .. |
| 05:14.53 | LoRez | daniel__: portuguese? |
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| 05:15.04 | Justin_ | !tell gnupengwyn about search |
| 05:15.05 | gnupengwyn | i aparently do not have mkinitrd installed |
| 05:15.24 | zeeble | you need initrd-tools, right? |
| 05:15.26 | JuanValdez | Congrats to me.... more setup... Configuration Stage 2 of the install I guess. |
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| 05:15.49 | daniel__ | i need help |
| 05:15.54 | daniel__ | i am new to debian |
| 05:15.56 | daniel__ | ... |
| 05:16.02 | daniel__ | how can help me |
| 05:16.10 | sgeigerbot | daniel__: Are you drowning or what? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 05:16.15 | METRON9 | how about a link to a document that will tell me how to create a user and password for proftpd, Its up and running but I look at the passwd file and its got all kinds of stuff in it I cant find anything on the web that tells me what it is or how to edit it etc... |
| 05:16.25 | filp | daniel__: how can help me? |
| 05:16.45 | sgeigerbot | METRON9: the default is that it uses users on the system (/etc/passwd) |
| 05:16.46 | somiaj | METRON9: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> is a good place to look for info as well. |
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| 05:16.51 | Makro | daniel_: be prepared.... |
| 05:17.06 | somiaj | !tell daniel__ about ask |
| 05:17.15 | Danny5|sleep_n_c | Christ stop saying daniel :P |
| 05:17.26 | Danny5 | Keep beeing me, hehe. |
| 05:17.40 | gnupengwyn | initrd-tools made headway |
| 05:17.45 | filp | hey what terms are people using ? |
| 05:17.53 | JuanValdez | What is NIS? |
| 05:17.56 | filp | I'm looking to try something else |
| 05:17.57 | somiaj | xterm all the way! |
| 05:18.03 | somiaj | (: |
| 05:18.05 | daniel__ | i have port 21 filterd .. |
| 05:18.06 | ToreSB | I love foreigners... Always making simple questions like "How would I mount the floppy?" into inspiring koans like "For what is the floppy not mounted? I am pleasing you. How?" |
| 05:18.09 | sgeigerbot | filp: Konsole |
| 05:18.13 | filp | somiaj: trying to get away from it |
| 05:18.14 | daniel__ | i dont know if when yo install debian |
| 05:18.26 | somiaj | filp: why downgrade to something else? |
| 05:18.26 | daniel__ | it install a fw diferent then iptables |
| 05:18.40 | MrLoki | ok whats the easiest ftp server to setup? wu ftp, proftp, or something else? |
| 05:18.51 | sgeigerbot | MrLoki: proftpd |
| 05:18.55 | zeeble | ToreSB i would want a spaniard to please me |
| 05:19.02 | zeeble | proftpd, vsftpd |
| 05:19.06 | somiaj | daniel__: when you install debian, no fire wall should be installed. |
| 05:19.15 | peterS | JuanValdez: if you don't know what NIS is, you don't need it |
| 05:19.19 | MrLoki | ok tnx |
| 05:19.22 | droopy | 1 |
| 05:19.23 | daniel__ | then why is my 21 port filter |
| 05:19.24 | peterS | JuanValdez: it's short for 'network information service', I think |
| 05:19.27 | somiaj | daniel__: and debian uses iptables for its firewall as well... |
| 05:19.32 | daniel__ | ok |
| 05:19.33 | somiaj | daniel__: why do you think its being filtered? |
| 05:19.37 | JuanValdez | hmmm... ok. |
| 05:19.38 | filp | daniel__: what the hell does that mean? |
| 05:19.39 | zeeble | daniel__ how do you know? |
| 05:19.39 | ToreSB | zeeble: But you are also strange. |
| 05:19.44 | daniel__ | nmap my_ip |
| 05:19.47 | daniel__ | it says so |
| 05:19.49 | Justin_ | daniel__: your isp sucks? |
| 05:20.01 | JuanValdez | Well, I turned on md5 encryption and shadowing so I can't use it. Just wondered whatit was. |
| 05:20.04 | droopy | Justin_ my isp SUCKS |
| 05:20.09 | zeeble | ToreSB well, spanish females, usually are hot |
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| 05:20.14 | lazarus | drivers/usb/net/usbnet.c:308: warning: `always_connected' defined but not used |
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| 05:20.21 | lazarus | well, that's comical |
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| 05:20.36 | daniel__ | when you see a port filter it means that there is a fw ? |
| 05:20.39 | daniel__ | or not |
| 05:20.46 | daniel__ | fw = fire wall |
| 05:20.56 | pietvw | Hi guys... What program would you recommend to utilize for an IMAP server? |
| 05:20.59 | somiaj | JuanValdez: shadow just puts the passwords in /etc/shadow instead of /etc/passwd, and md5 encryption is just that, uses md5 to encrypt the passwords. |
| 05:21.00 | lazarus | red wine sometimes has sediment |
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| 05:21.01 | Justin_ | daniel__: if you are this clueless there is no way you managed to do that on your own |
| 05:21.01 | zeeble | daniel__ is iptables running? do a -L to see what rules are |
| 05:21.11 | zeeble | pietvw Courier |
| 05:21.20 | lazarus | pietvw: apt-get install mailutils-imap |
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| 05:21.35 | lazarus | pietvw: apt-get install mailutils-(all of them) |
| 05:21.36 | daniel__ | <zeeble> iptables .. is not install |
| 05:21.43 | daniel__ | i cant do a |
| 05:21.43 | JuanValdez | Yeah, I was familiar with the md5 and shadow file conecpt. Just hadn't heard of NIS. |
| 05:21.46 | lazarus | pietvw: apt-cache search mailutils- |
| 05:21.47 | daniel__ | iptables -F |
| 05:21.49 | JuanValdez | Hey! I got another question. |
| 05:21.51 | DB7654321 | I'm writing an sh init.d script for iptables -- is it possible to jump to a case statement from within another? ...like: restart) \n goto stop; goto start; ? |
| 05:21.59 | daniel__ | well tell me .. |
| 05:22.05 | daniel__ | i have a 3 cd |
| 05:22.09 | somiaj | DB7654321: why not use the one that comes with iptables? |
| 05:22.14 | daniel__ | i mean i have the 3 cd . |
| 05:22.23 | DB7654321 | somiaj: This is a special situation. |
| 05:22.25 | daniel__ | but in /etc/apt/apt-sources |
| 05:22.26 | fooz | DB7654321, no. define functions and put your cases inside them |
| 05:22.28 | daniel__ | i put it |
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| 05:22.35 | daniel__ | and nothing happens |
| 05:22.41 | JuanValdez | I just opted to remove the pcmcia packages 'cause I don't need them on this install. I acutally have a generic PCI-pcmcia bridge at home. I haven't successfully gotten it to work in any linux box yet.... Any ideas? |
| 05:22.42 | DB7654321 | fooz: Hrm. That would work, too. THanks |
| 05:22.44 | lazarus | somiaj: the one the maintainer says over and over everywhere not to use? :P |
| 05:22.44 | Justin_ | DB7654321: uh, your start and stop cases should run functions called start and stop |
| 05:22.45 | daniel__ | who can give me a hand on that |
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| 05:23.01 | kerny | Anyone know what package /etc/kernel-img.conf (woody) ? |
| 05:23.01 | daniel__ | is about apt-get install |
| 05:23.14 | lazarus | kerny: man dpkg |
| 05:23.14 | somiaj | lazarus: yup that one...(:, though sometimes its better than making people have to write their own...(: |
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| 05:23.17 | kerny | What package "has" /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 05:23.27 | METRON9 | i see, ohhh i see alright i logged in, what about this user nobody and group nogroup should I do anything with those lines in the default proftpd.conf, just wondering if the default leaves a default name and password or can only users I created on the debian login connect? anotherwords is it safe? |
| 05:23.27 | peterS | kerny: wild guess, maybe 'kernel-package' |
| 05:23.28 | lazarus | somiaj: yeah, ,i was just looking in that today even, heh |
| 05:23.40 | Justin_ | kerny: thats not what the filename is |
| 05:23.41 | jetscreamer | ok so hey wtf how do i get sound back in gnome after i go from OSS to Alsa in my kernel? |
| 05:23.54 | DB7654321 | kerny: I would check packages.debian.org...oh, wait, nevermind :( |
| 05:24.03 | JuanValdez | I just got to the Apt configuration! woohoo! |
| 05:24.18 | DB7654321 | kerny: dpkg -S, maybe? |
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| 05:24.29 | lazarus | kerny: man dpkg |
| 05:24.35 | gnupengwyn | kernel panic |
| 05:24.39 | gnupengwyn | crap0r |
| 05:24.43 | peterS | kerny: /msg dpkg find etc/kernel-img.conf woody |
| 05:24.45 | jetscreamer | 2.6? |
| 05:24.53 | gnupengwyn | yeah 2.6 |
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| 05:25.05 | peterS | kerny: if you do that you'll see my guess of 'kernel-package' was right |
| 05:25.24 | gnuyen | is there good dvd authoring software for linux? |
| 05:25.32 | jetscreamer | append=ramdisk_size 18934 in lilo.conf or something like that |
| 05:25.34 | Justin_ | er right, theres two /etc/kernel- files |
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| 05:25.41 | gnupengwyn | i think i screwed up on the lilo.conf |
| 05:25.47 | StriderZ | Why do I have about 30 packages in unstable that are being "kept back"? |
| 05:25.47 | gnupengwyn | stupid me |
| 05:25.50 | jetscreamer | if home rolled boost the ramdisk value |
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| 05:26.01 | jetscreamer | StriderZ, try dselect |
| 05:26.06 | droopy | dvdrip |
| 05:26.10 | StriderZ | jetscreamer: aptitude can't fix it? |
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| 05:26.20 | gnupengwyn | yeap it's lilo |
| 05:26.20 | daniel__ | who knows how to configure apt-get |
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| 05:26.20 | StriderZ | or maybe a dselect-upgrade? |
| 05:26.20 | peterS | StriderZ: run an apt frontend such as aptitude or dselect, and it will tell you what depends on what, assuming you can decipher the information it gives |
| 05:26.20 | kerny | Is there supposed to be a stock /etc/kernel-img.conf file? |
| 05:26.20 | jetscreamer | gnupengwyn, that's a bug |
| 05:26.25 | daniel__ | how do i use ftp .. |
| 05:26.30 | daniel__ | in apt-get |
| 05:26.31 | jetscreamer | type ftp |
| 05:26.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:26.36 | StriderZ | peterS: ah...ok. I see. |
| 05:26.37 | Justin_ | daniel__: apt-setup |
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| 05:26.40 | StriderZ | jetscreamer, peterS: thanks |
| 05:26.46 | daniel__ | ok thanks Justi |
| 05:26.49 | gnupengwyn | root= boot option |
| 05:26.55 | gnupengwyn | or something like that |
| 05:26.57 | jetscreamer | ok so hey wtf how do i get sound back in gnome after i go from OSS to Alsa in my kernel? |
| 05:27.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: one option is to load the 'snd-pcm-oss' compatibility module |
| 05:27.37 | jetscreamer | i thought i compiled that in |
| 05:27.39 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 05:27.39 | recall | jetscreamer: did you create the alsa device nodes? |
| 05:27.50 | jetscreamer | what is create alsa device nodes |
| 05:27.52 | gnupengwyn | hehe my 3.2Ghz box is behaving like an 8086 |
| 05:28.05 | jetscreamer | sounds like my problem though |
| 05:28.10 | peterS | gnupengwyn: methinks you do not truly remember what an 8086 feels like |
| 05:28.13 | billyoc | maybe somebody switched it on you. |
| 05:28.34 | JuanValdez | during installation should I select another apt source? Right now all I am installing from is CD. (I have all 3). Will not selecting anything else now make adding apt-over-internet harder later? |
| 05:28.35 | lazarus | peterS: no? it had such tiny apps, maybe she does, heh |
| 05:28.56 | gnupengwyn | peterS you don't think so? |
| 05:28.59 | lazarus | peterS: she just uses bloat-apps now, ,heh |
| 05:29.05 | peterS | lazarus: one thing you gotta say for progress: at least our boot times are nice and slow now |
| 05:29.07 | zeeble | JuanValdez first config networking, then do apt-setup later to add new entries to the sources.list |
| 05:29.12 | gnupengwyn | i still have an 80186 tower |
| 05:29.15 | recall | jetscreamer: I'm not sure what the file is named that is in the kernel, but there is a script called snddevices that will create the devices for you. |
| 05:29.21 | JuanValdez | Cool. Thanks zeeble. |
| 05:29.27 | gnupengwyn | i needs a seagate MFM drive |
| 05:29.28 | lazarus | peterS: you've been watching 2.6.1 on my 486dx33 huh? |
| 05:30.02 | peterS | lazarus: nah. just looking at a 1.7 GHz P4 Xeon that took, and yes I clocked this, something like 70 seconds before even starting to boot the OS |
| 05:30.08 | recall | jetscreamer: That script is included with the standalone alsa drivers. The kernel should come with a similar file. |
| 05:30.22 | lazarus | peterS: wtf? bios-spinning? |
| 05:30.22 | daniel__ | thanks Justin |
| 05:30.25 | daniel__ | it worked |
| 05:30.33 | peterS | lazarus: I have no clue. part of it was memory scanning, but not all of it |
| 05:30.33 | daniel__ | apt-setup cool |
| 05:30.53 | lazarus | peterS: i've never even seen a machine, that <cough> "fast" |
| 05:31.01 | JuanValdez | Okay, here is another noob question. I think I know the answer already but I'll shoot anyway.... I have a USB 802.11b nic on the debian box I am installing. Is there anyway to use it during installtion? |
| 05:31.05 | zeeble | peterS how many times do you boot this machine? i would'nt boot such a machine except kernel upgrd |
| 05:31.11 | jetscreamer | ah so that's what mknod does |
| 05:31.12 | peterS | lazarus: but yeah. all of that was bios masturbation. including 5 or 10 seconds of sitting there with an info screen telling you about all the serial and parallel ports, etc. |
| 05:31.21 | zeeble | JuanValdez dont think so :) |
| 05:31.28 | zeeble | JuanValdez a normal NIC? |
| 05:31.42 | peterS | lazarus: at least that latter part, you could hit a key and get out of it early. but still. |
| 05:31.42 | jetscreamer | thx dudes |
| 05:32.15 | gnupengwyn | damn is it just the filename vmlinuz? |
| 05:32.16 | JuanValdez | Yeah there is one on the mobo but I can connect it from here. |
| 05:32.17 | gnupengwyn | no |
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| 05:32.33 | komodo | im using KDE 3.1 ,,, when i go to download gaim, can i use redhat? |
| 05:32.47 | JuanValdez | The OS did seem to detect it though..... That's okay though, this install is purely educational. |
| 05:32.48 | lazarus | okay, rebooting to yet-another 2.6.1 |
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| 05:32.55 | zeeble | komodo apt-get install gaim, or gaim.sf.net get it from cvs |
| 05:33.05 | komodo | k |
| 05:33.14 | komodo | i'll try that |
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| 05:33.37 | JuanValdez | Zooming along.... Running tasksel. |
| 05:33.39 | pietvw | ok... Now I've installed mailutils-imap4d... where do I go from here? |
| 05:33.43 | jason_ | is there an easy to use a usb gamepad to send input to a terminal? |
| 05:33.51 | pietvw | OR where is the HOWTO? |
| 05:34.06 | peterS | jason_: what sort of "input"? you mean, use it as a joystick, in a game? |
| 05:34.28 | JuanValdez | What's debian jr? |
| 05:34.31 | asac | Is there a gtk based hd partitioning prog? |
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| 05:34.48 | zeeble | asac gparted |
| 05:34.50 | peterS | asac: diskdrake, which comes with mandrake, is I believe gtk+ based. why? |
| 05:35.13 | JuanValdez | anyone? |
| 05:35.24 | peterS | JuanValdez: a subproject of Debian which concentrates on applications and computer setup for children |
| 05:35.26 | jason_ | peterS: mmm, more like to send the equivalent of a keyboard arrow key press to the terminal, to control a console menu application before the emulator starts (ie, to select which rom to load) |
| 05:35.31 | zeeble | JuanValdez tools for small people. |
| 05:35.53 | asac | just to see how nice todays partitioning programs look ;) |
| 05:35.55 | komodo | gaim froze on me |
| 05:36.16 | JuanValdez | OIC.... I don't need it then,. |
| 05:36.24 | Rubin | anyone setup sasl on a woody box? have any tips/pointers? i'm not even sure where to start (running exim) |
| 05:36.26 | peterS | jason_: the input layer API is fairly straightforward, so you could presumably write an emulator front-end that used a joystick, sure |
| 05:37.12 | jason_ | peterS: ahh, I could just write my own menu, which directly use the input layer api? |
| 05:37.27 | Justin_ | jason_: what _exactly_ are you trying to do |
| 05:37.32 | JuanValdez | Hey folks.... Perhaps I should give you a little background on this test install I am doing... It's all about learning. Eventually this debian machine will become my dialup firewall. |
| 05:37.34 | peterS | jason_: sure. you even have your choice of 2 APIs. the linux joystick API, or the event device API |
| 05:37.43 | sgeigerbot | komodo: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 05:38.08 | jason_ | peterS: thanks. any advice on api docs/tutorials before i start googling? |
| 05:38.22 | zeeble | JuanValdez when you want to install only a firewall, start fresh and do a new install. install only bare stuff. when you are in testing mode, do whatever you want |
| 05:38.41 | JuanValdez | Well, I guess I should say dial-up firewall / router.... Surely after another install though... This is just a prelim to see that I can do it without too much trouble. |
| 05:39.34 | peterS | jason_: the kernel source has documentation on use of the input layer. the Documentation/input/ directory has several text files |
| 05:39.37 | sgeigerbot | JuanValdez: Quote from the Zen of Hacking: "Reinstall? You have been using Windows too long. You should hack your way through fixing the problem. This will teach you something or at least help you save on shampoo once you have no more hair." |
| 05:40.00 | jason_ | peterS: awesome. thanks |
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| 05:41.15 | komodo | sgeigerbot,, thank you |
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| 05:41.49 | billyoc | night |
| 05:41.54 | MrLoki | with proftpd how do i allow a certain user access to a certain dir? the proftp site only mentions anonymous |
| 05:42.15 | JuanValdez | sgeigerbot: I hear ya dude. That's exactly what I had to do in my first 3 or 4 linux installs... It was quite an adventure and I learned a lot. |
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| 05:42.40 | JuanValdez | FYI: That was back in the 7.2 days, iirc... (seawolf?) |
| 05:43.08 | Epicent | I downloaded and installed Stable and then went into my /etc/apt/sources.list and changed all occurrances of 'stable' to 'unstable', did apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade.. it downloaded about 250MB of stuff. Yet, KDE and Gnome are still the old versions, and I know they shouldn't be. What went wrong? |
| 05:43.19 | Epicent | The only error was one that it couldn't configure gnome-session. |
| 05:43.35 | Justin_ | Epicent: do it again then |
| 05:43.46 | luca__ | hey |
| 05:43.48 | Epicent | um -.o Anything to avoid this time around? ;D |
| 05:43.51 | luca__ | what is a "inch"?? |
| 05:43.54 | MrLoki | rinse repeat, reboot |
| 05:43.57 | Justin_ | Epicent: eh? |
| 05:44.03 | Justin_ | Epicent: run apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 05:44.07 | Epicent | Ah |
| 05:44.13 | Epicent | There is no working Unstable installer, is there?.. |
| 05:44.18 | caphuso | Epicent: no |
| 05:44.21 | luca__ | what is the corresponding value in meters of "1 inch"? |
| 05:44.21 | JuanValdez | Hey folks... If I don't instal tex/latex package can I still view pdf's? |
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| 05:44.34 | caphuso | luca__: 0.0254 |
| 05:44.35 | Epicent | luca__: beats the hell out of me. |
| 05:44.44 | Epicent | I like my answer better. ;) |
| 05:44.57 | caphuso | JuanValdez: err, of course |
| 05:45.08 | Epicent | Alrighty. Wish me luck. |
| 05:45.10 | luca__ | damn ..american units |
| 05:45.18 | Epicent | (I presume I want X closed before I do dist-upgrade?) |
| 05:45.24 | caphuso | JuanValdez: that's like asking if you can still view pdf's if you don't install mpg321 |
| 05:45.25 | Justin_ | not american, english |
| 05:45.28 | Epicent | luca__: Damn the metric system ;) |
| 05:45.42 | sgeigerbot | Epicent: doesn't matter |
| 05:45.52 | Epicent | Isn't it going to be REPLACING running programs then? |
| 05:45.54 | Epicent | Like KDE and X? |
| 05:45.57 | luca__ | american ,english..whatever |
| 05:46.00 | Justin_ | caphuso: no, more like asking if you can still play mp3s if you dont install lame |
| 05:46.05 | Justin_ | Epicent: who cares |
| 05:46.11 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: :-) |
| 05:46.22 | MrLoki | nike: "Just do it" |
| 05:46.22 | Epicent | Because if something DOESN'T INSTALL PROPERLY, I care. |
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| 05:46.46 | caphuso | Epicent: if somethind DOESN'T INSTALL PROPERLY, then you still have the already running stuff left. just don't restart anything ;-) |
| 05:46.50 | JuanValdez | caphuso: Oh okay... Well, under the info list for that package included the pdc viewing tool... So I assumed that was the tool to view them with in the virgin debian install. |
| 05:47.20 | Epicent | caphuso: It won't skip replacing packages that are *in use*? |
| 05:47.40 | MrLoki | how do i tell proftpd to let user "bob" ahve write privileges on var/www ? |
| 05:47.41 | Epicent | I know in Windows, MacOS and DOS, programs are not big on being deleted while they are running. ;D |
| 05:47.42 | caphuso | JuanValdez: you can create PDF files with TeX/LaTeX, but it's not necessary to view them |
| 05:47.48 | caphuso | Epicent: why should it? |
| 05:48.17 | Kawfee | caphuso, I thought TeX/LaTeX made .dvi |
| 05:48.18 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: He's talking about file locking... It's a good question, though.. |
| 05:48.19 | JuanValdez | caphuso: Oh, okay, thanks... |
| 05:48.24 | caphuso | Kawfee: that too |
| 05:48.37 | caphuso | $ apropos pdftex |
| 05:48.38 | caphuso | pdftex (1) - PDF output from TeX |
| 05:48.38 | modconf | bugger all, i dunno, caphuso |
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| 05:48.43 | Kawfee | caphuso, I've always used dvi2ps and ps2pdf to convert |
| 05:48.56 | JuanValdez | Hey! Is Quake2 *ON* the debian distro cd's? I'm in the dselect util and it's listed. |
| 05:48.59 | caphuso | Kawfee: pdftex has a few nice enhancements. you might want to check it out sometime |
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| 05:49.07 | Kawfee | caphuso, sounds good |
| 05:49.13 | Justin_ | JuanValdez: just the program |
| 05:49.16 | caphuso | JuanValdez: not the data files (e.g. levels and stuff) |
| 05:49.19 | dings | Epicent: It's not a proftp ting. It's general priveliges fist |
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| 05:49.38 | Epicent | dings: Huh? I didn't ask about proftp. o.o |
| 05:49.43 | MrLoki | i did |
| 05:49.46 | JuanValdez | OK... Well that's still pretty darn cool. I've yet to play a real game on linux. I may do that. |
| 05:49.57 | Epicent | I just got Q3 running in Linux. I'm thrilled. |
| 05:50.01 | Epicent | Getting a nice 250 FPS |
| 05:50.02 | sgeigerbot | Epicent: Well, I wish I knew the details a little more, but all you really need to know is that you can upgrade what is on the hard drive even though some of those packages were loaded into memory. File locking doesn't seem to get in the way. |
| 05:50.11 | Epicent | Ah |
| 05:50.12 | Epicent | Gracias. |
| 05:50.35 | roper | i'm having trouble with apt-get. i just installed knoppix feather to my HD. the error i get when doing anything with apt is: debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate Debconf/Log.pm in @INC (@INC |
| 05:50.36 | caphuso | i installed quake2 today, but now i can't play because my brother has my mouse :-/ |
| 05:50.39 | Epicent | ... |
| 05:50.43 | Epicent | wow. Well, that's a driver error |
| 05:50.46 | caphuso | i'm way too nice |
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| 05:50.51 | roper | i have done dpkg --configure perl-base |
| 05:50.52 | Epicent | easily fixed by rm -rf /dev/brother/ |
| 05:51.01 | Epicent | ;D |
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| 05:51.17 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I've never gotten that impression. ;-) |
| 05:52.05 | caphuso | well, at least i learned that you actually can use mozilla entirely keyboard driven. that's something |
| 05:52.14 | somiaj | what are some fairly reliable free partition resiezers for ext3 |
| 05:52.27 | Justin_ | caphuso: theres another way to use it? :) |
| 05:52.31 | SuperPhly | somiaj: resize2fs |
| 05:52.38 | zeeble | parted should work for partitionsing |
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| 05:52.48 | zeeble | wow, i typed real bad |
| 05:53.03 | Justin_ | really:-) |
| 05:53.13 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: In Moz. Firebird the incremental link search thing would be very handy if you don't have a mouse. |
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| 05:53.21 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: mozilla has that too |
| 05:53.26 | blpharis | whats the latest kernel-image for debian. I found about 12 different (various) versions of 2.6.0 |
| 05:53.30 | Justin_ | caphuso: ever hit f7? |
| 05:53.31 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: good. |
| 05:53.38 | roper | did that question make any sense? |
| 05:53.40 | blpharis | I assume any of the test ones are outdated |
| 05:53.57 | simonrvn | considering 2.6.1 released, yes |
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| 05:54.15 | caphuso | i actually started to hate mozilla-firebird with a fiery passion |
| 05:54.21 | blpharis | simonrvn - 2.6.1 isn't up yet though is it? |
| 05:54.24 | caphuso | stupid windows-a-like pice of crap |
| 05:54.25 | JuanValdez | What is prelink? |
| 05:54.30 | caphuso | s/pic/piec/ |
| 05:54.37 | somiaj | caphuso: what do you use instead? |
| 05:54.46 | simonrvn | blpharis: up where? |
| 05:54.51 | blpharis | or is kernel-image-test11 the latest |
| 05:54.56 | caphuso | somiaj: lynx and "normal" mozilla |
| 05:54.57 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: why? Oh...that's not good to hear. I thought everyone liked it except for those people who have mysterious performance problems. |
| 05:55.12 | blpharis | simonrvn: debian unstable |
| 05:55.15 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: oh, you mean those where closing a few tabs takes several seconds? i got those too |
| 05:55.22 | simonrvn | blpharis: ftp.CC.kernel.org |
| 05:55.38 | blpharis | simonrvn: should I add that to my sources? |
| 05:55.44 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Firebird is what helped me to finally caused me to use Linux GUI exclusively. (I couldn't stand the sluggishness of Mozilla..) |
| 05:55.55 | simonrvn | no. you use an ftp client to go browse |
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| 05:56.09 | simonrvn | CC = countrycode |
| 05:56.20 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I'm not sure what problems they had. Oh well, it says right on the Web site that it is not ready for mission-critical work.... |
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| 05:56.31 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Thus the 0.7 number. |
| 05:56.32 | roper | does this ring any bells?: (while trying to install new .debs with apt-get): debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate Debconf/Log.pm in @INC (@INC... |
| 05:56.48 | blpharis | simonrvn: Im not looking to roll my own. I just want the latest kernel in the current debian unstable |
| 05:56.54 | roper | i have tried dpkg --configure perl-base |
| 05:57.00 | simonrvn | blpharis: WYSIWYG |
| 05:57.02 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: which would be true if they actually had to start at zero, not at 1.3... |
| 05:57.14 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Did you build from source? I did that originally. |
| 05:57.18 | blpharis | simonrvn: ok, out of what I see, which is the latest? |
| 05:57.20 | caphuso | or whatever version mozilla had when they forked firebird |
| 05:57.23 | blpharis | thats what I am trying to get at |
| 05:57.38 | blpharis | i believe the latest on unstable is test11 |
| 05:57.45 | MrLoki | ok, how do i give user "bob" write access to certain dir and sub dirs? |
| 05:57.47 | simonrvn | blpharis: you figure it out. since 2.6.1 is latest. figure from there. you don,t need me to think that out for you |
| 05:57.54 | sgeigerbot | MrLoki: man chmod |
| 05:58.00 | MrLoki | ta |
| 05:58.07 | simonrvn | blpharis: what you believe and what's reality may be different. go check |
| 05:58.39 | METRON9 | is there a program on debian that works like linuxconf on mandrake? a gui for adding users etc |
| 05:59.10 | sgeigerbot | MrLoki: http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk http://www.ctssn.com/ - Unix tutorial - absolute beginniner to expert in 10 lessons <g> ...and read the debian kernel howto on newbiedoc.sourceforge.net |
| 05:59.15 | simonrvn | METRON9: xterm. su -c "adduser foo" |
| 05:59.20 | Kawfee | ~sgeiger |
| 05:59.27 | | Sgeiger smells vaguely of used diapers and burnt semiconductors, or bot happy, or known as an arrogantass, or sussudio's only friend, or greycat's owner, or not a bot, or a not arrogant at all, or very troubled, or a fixed-font person, or mentor's mentor |
| 05:59.27 | simonrvn | or sudo. take your pick.. |
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| 05:59.52 | sgeigerbot | METRON9: kuser |
| 06:00.30 | sgeigerbot | Who is this sgeiger human? |
| 06:00.31 | hanasaki | hey all whts a decent frame rate for glxgears on a semmi current (last year) ati/nvidia board |
| 06:00.44 | Kawfee | can you not read? |
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| 06:01.04 | simonrvn | no, he perceives electrons on a monitor |
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| 06:01.21 | Caduuul | hello |
| 06:01.28 | simonrvn | and photons coming from the phosphors being ecited by those electrons |
| 06:01.33 | anguiano | hi |
| 06:01.35 | simonrvn | +x |
| 06:01.46 | Kawfee | either way, ithould be able to see what I type |
| 06:01.57 | simonrvn | Kawfee: yup :) |
| 06:02.07 | Caduuul | i have a question: i have kernel 2.6.0 full source , how can i update it to 2.6.1 with patch-2.6.1 ?? anybody can help? |
| 06:02.17 | helix | barf |
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| 06:02.20 | sgeigerbot | Kawfee: My attorney has informed me to tell you to blow me! |
| 06:02.30 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: i *have* a fan. but *being* a fan is a different thing |
| 06:02.58 | simonrvn | Caduuul: guess :). you deduced correctly |
| 06:03.02 | polok | I have a fan too! |
| 06:03.08 | sgeigerbot | If the bots drafted an IQ test, all of #debian would presumably flunk it. --Stanley Garn |
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| 06:03.11 | polok | it's blowing at me as we speak! |
| 06:03.13 | METRON9 | tried kuser it responds kuser: cannot connect to X server, I have KDE running and ctrl alt F1 to the shell maby i need to shut down KDE but I dont know how |
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| 06:03.17 | simonrvn | it's sitting on the shelf, my fan |
| 06:03.34 | polok | simonrvn: mine is on the floor, trying to keep me cool |
| 06:03.38 | helix | simonrvn: you need one on your ceiling |
| 06:03.44 | helix | polok: you too |
| 06:03.44 | ToreSB | I have a fan and it keeps my C466 cool while playing those big scary divx movies. |
| 06:03.46 | simonrvn | too fucking cold to use it here |
| 06:04.10 | ToreSB | simonrvn: oh REALLY, EH> |
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| 06:04.13 | Justin_ | METRON9: why do you make thinks so complicated for yourself? |
| 06:04.15 | polok | helix: nah, a floor one's good enough for me |
| 06:04.16 | ToreSB | simonrvn: Where you live? |
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| 06:04.25 | polok | simonrvn: too bloody hot to not use it here :) |
| 06:04.25 | helix | polok: really? even when you sleep? |
| 06:04.35 | helix | i can't sleep without a ceiling fan usually |
| 06:04.42 | METRON9 | i just typed man kuser ok i can read sorry |
| 06:04.43 | simonrvn | ToreSB: try ~ -41°C, give or take a few, including windchill |
| 06:04.50 | ToreSB | I can't sleep with the one I made. |
| 06:04.50 | Caduuul | how do i use "patch" to patch a kernel to a new version (i have full source of 2.6.0 and the patch for 2.6.1) ???? anybody can help ?! |
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| 06:04.58 | Jymmm | X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* |
| 06:05.00 | ToreSB | They are old case fans from 486'es |
| 06:05.06 | polok | helix: mine blows at my feet at night |
| 06:05.09 | polok | good enough for me |
| 06:05.11 | helix | ack |
| 06:05.16 | peterS | Caduuul: bzip2 -cd /some/where/patch-2.6.1.bz2 | patch -NEp1 |
| 06:05.17 | mool | I just did a make-kpkg of the 2.6.1 kernel and installed the deb, but there is no initrd in the root/ directory. Is this wrong or did something change with 2.6? |
| 06:05.18 | ToreSB | simonrvn: Are you doing North Pole research? |
| 06:05.23 | peterS | Caduuul: from inside a 2.6.0 tree |
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| 06:05.24 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:05.34 | polok | antartica? |
| 06:05.38 | shob | ! |
| 06:05.40 | peterS | Caduuul: but if you can't read enough of the docs to figure this out, you probably are better off with prepackaged binaries in any case |
| 06:05.44 | simonrvn | montreal, qc, .ca |
| 06:05.44 | ToreSB | The fridge? |
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| 06:05.48 | mool | sorry, I ment /boot dir |
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| 06:05.53 | polok | bah |
| 06:06.00 | polok | wrong hemisphere |
| 06:06.03 | fagboy | Does anyone know of a site that sells FreeBSD 5.1 for Sparc64? |
| 06:06.20 | simonrvn | polok: right now, it's colder than it is at the freaking north pole (they have a blizzard up there right now) |
| 06:06.24 | ToreSB | fagboy: ehh there are three things wrong with that question. |
| 06:06.26 | Caduuul | peterS : no i've already read all docs about , the only thing i never took care was patching files |
| 06:06.28 | polok | fagboy: www.freebsd.org |
| 06:06.32 | ToreSB | fagboy: a) FreeBSD is FREE. |
| 06:06.48 | simonrvn | fagboy: buy freebsd? you joking, right? |
| 06:06.50 | ToreSB | fagboy: b) This is a Linux channel, add to that a DISTRO-specific one |
| 06:07.06 | peterS | Caduuul: apparently you failed to read the file in the 2.6.0 source tree called, oddly enough, README |
| 06:07.11 | ToreSB | fagboy: c) You are too dumb to own a computer - much less deserve a Sparc64. |
| 06:07.15 | fagboy | What don't you understand? I need to purchase the cd! I know this is a Linux channel, duh! However, the FreeBSDers seem to be dead as I have already asked there. Aight? |
| 06:07.26 | simonrvn | maybe buy it from a vendor of some sort. but if you have a burner, you d/l the iso, and burn the fucker |
| 06:07.27 | ToreSB | fagboy: Then FUCKING WAIT |
| 06:07.31 | polok | simonrvn: right now it's almost 35 degrees celcius. |
| 06:07.38 | polok | and it's the end of the day |
| 06:07.40 | fagboy | Ok, chill out little boy. |
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| 06:07.49 | ToreSB | Here it's 5-10 below centigrade. I AM PLENTY CHILLED OUT. |
| 06:07.50 | fagboy | I need my installation for my laboratory! |
| 06:07.54 | polok | fagboy: why buy the cd |
| 06:07.56 | simonrvn | polok: good for you j/k. yeh, i hear it'S fucking boiling (and burning) in .au |
| 06:07.57 | helix | hahaha |
| 06:07.58 | polok | download it and burn it |
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| 06:08.14 | yaiLLf8d | lo all can anyone tell me if the pcmcia-cs package is needed for the 2.6 kernels? |
| 06:08.16 | fagboy | Because I do not have the equipment to download it everything I need. |
| 06:08.19 | fagboy | OK? |
| 06:08.22 | polok | simonrvn: yep though that happens every year |
| 06:08.29 | yaiLLf8d | seems my the eject feature of pcmcia isn't working correctly in my 2.6 kernel |
| 06:08.29 | helix | fagboy: ? |
| 06:08.32 | fagboy | What other flawed questions are you going to ask? I simply need a freaking site! |
| 06:08.32 | Xenocide | aww it aint cold until it gets below zero Fahrenheit |
| 06:08.43 | helix | fagboy: you have an internet connection.. you can download with that |
| 06:08.44 | DB7654321 | fagboy: Linuxcentral.com |
| 06:08.52 | ToreSB | fagboy: You are working at a laboratory, yet you lack the most basic home computer equipment? |
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| 06:08.55 | simonrvn | polok: i heard there was some arson starting some of the forest fires. |
| 06:08.56 | helix | cheapbytes.com might have it too |
| 06:09.00 | Caduuul | peterS : hmmm..i never bloody read the README ;// thanx d00d ;P |
| 06:09.13 | fagboy | I think they only sell the i386 edition. |
| 06:09.23 | polok | they reckon an arsonist started 2002's Black Christmas Bushfires, I'm not sure about this year. |
| 06:09.23 | simonrvn | fagboy: http://www.freebsd.org/ |
| 06:09.40 | polok | They're in northern sydney, I'm just south of Sydney |
| 06:09.43 | ToreSB | Bushfire... Now there's something I'd pay to see ;) |
| 06:09.51 | polok | ToreSB: you can |
| 06:09.55 | polok | come to Australia! |
| 06:10.29 | ToreSB | polok: The Bush I would pay to watch ablaze is currently situated in Washington, D.C. |
| 06:10.30 | fagboy | Besides, even if I download what I need, I won't be able to save it to a cdrom which is what I prefer it on! |
| 06:10.39 | polok | ToreSB: ah hahahahahaha |
| 06:10.49 | peterS | why do people assume we in #debian are so much more highly evolved google masters than they? |
| 06:10.50 | ToreSB | fagboy: Well, don't come HERE bitching |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | fagboy: they do have floppies too |
| 06:11.00 | simonrvn | fagboy: /join #feebsd |
| 06:11.03 | simonrvn | free* |
| 06:11.06 | peterS | for instance ... people come in asking where to find a CD-ROM product to buy. |
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| 06:11.13 | ToreSB | simonrvn: What a brilliant typo :D |
| 06:11.20 | simonrvn | gorsh.. |
| 06:11.22 | ToreSB | It would indeed be FeeBSD ;) |
| 06:11.33 | METRON9 | Justin: I just set up proftpd if you have ever taken a look at the mess that is suposto be a manual man, i joined the mail list and as of yesterday someone still can't figure out how to set it up for non auto generated home directory paths. If proftpd is used so many places why isnt there so many questions on the simplest of things, some of the pages are simply riddled with questions and no answers. I am not the one making things complicated total lack of doc |
| 06:11.33 | METRON9 | umentation on how a project works in terms you can understand is the problem hense the need for this channel, If it was so easy nobody would be here. |
| 06:11.40 | somiaj | peterS: they probably don't assume that, they are just to damn lazy to acually search for the info they need.... |
| 06:11.52 | simonrvn | METRON9: apt-get install proftpd-doc |
| 06:11.54 | fagboy | simonrvn: read above and then remain silent. |
| 06:12.04 | peterS | somiaj: I don't get it. firing up an irc client, finding the right sort of irc net, and joining a channel ... seems a lot *harder* than google, to me |
| 06:12.07 | simonrvn | fagboy: do not tell me to be silent |
| 06:12.14 | fagboy | I am not bitching, I need FreeBSd 5.1 for the SPARC64 on cdrom! |
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| 06:12.26 | LSorensen | METRON9: strange. everything I ever wanted proftpd to do was very easy |
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| 06:12.30 | peterS | caphuso: thanks |
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| 06:12.33 | polok | WE USE DEBIAN HERE |
| 06:12.33 | ToreSB | fagboy: you need to grow a friggin' CLUE |
| 06:12.40 | LSorensen | fag: freebsd does non x86? |
| 06:12.42 | polok | HENSE #DEBIAN |
| 06:12.53 | peterS | ok people, calm down. the ops have spoken |
| 06:12.55 | polok | *hence |
| 06:12.56 | shob | hehh... what's +o do? |
| 06:13.01 | somiaj | peterS: what I think is funny is you can sometimes take someones question here, hit 'i'm feeling lucky' and get what they need...(: |
| 06:13.07 | Caduuul | peterS: i also found a patch-kernel thing script in scripts/ |
| 06:13.07 | ToreSB | shob: +Omnipotent |
| 06:13.08 | Caduuul | ;D |
| 06:13.10 | peterS | shob: squashes you like a bug, if you cross them |
| 06:13.11 | shob | i mean... +q ? |
| 06:13.22 | RichiH | shob: quiet |
| 06:13.23 | peterS | shob: +q means the person can sit in the channel but cannot talk |
| 06:13.25 | shob | peterS: I've seen that happen :) |
| 06:13.30 | ToreSB | shob: Quiet |
| 06:13.41 | RichiH | as opposed to |
| 06:13.42 | shob | peterS: aah, right, gotchya |
| 06:13.44 | ToreSB | Oh no... He's /msging me |
| 06:13.45 | peterS | somiaj: surprisingly often, yeah |
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| 06:13.57 | polok | small question, how does one find out which kernel they're using/ |
| 06:14.03 | LSorensen | polok: uname |
| 06:14.05 | shob | polok: uname |
| 06:14.05 | simonrvn | uname -r |
| 06:14.12 | RichiH | bleh, they changed the scripts |
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| 06:14.25 | peterS | polok: uname -r |
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| 06:14.55 | LSorensen | polok: I figure I really should try soon. It's the first time I haven't played with and run it before it hit stable release :) |
| 06:15.10 | LSorensen | polok: I just couldn't get 2.5.99 to do initrd properly |
| 06:15.10 | RichiH | he's gone? why don't you guys tell me? |
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| 06:15.24 | peterS | RichiH: you really think there will be someone else wanting to join #debian under the sobriquet 'fagboy'? |
| 06:15.36 | RichiH | hmm, true |
| 06:15.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o RichiH] by RichiH |
| 06:15.43 | METRON9 | ok i guess i would use man proftp-doc to read it then. I just reread using man proftpd and it fails to mention proftp-doc, did not see it anywhere else either in the last 3 hours of pulling my hair out, thankyou for the information i shall commence reading. |
| 06:15.50 | polok | LSorensen: I haven't updated a kernel yet, so I'm not looking forward to it because of that |
| 06:15.51 | simonrvn | RichiH: doesn't matter. they can't re-join now anyway :) |
| 06:15.57 | RichiH | peterS: i know you want so ;) |
| 06:16.01 | RichiH | to* |
| 06:16.14 | peterS | RichiH: you read my mind. I'll have to come up with something else, now |
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| 06:16.32 | somiaj | peterS: I can't think of many worth while people who would call themselves fagboy in the first place |
| 06:17.00 | RichiH | peterS: how about spanky? spanky sounds coll |
| 06:17.10 | peterS | somiaj: precisely. thus RichiH correcting his earlier "all hosts" ban down to a "small subnet" ban seemed rather unnecessary |
| 06:17.16 | polok | he might be really liberal? |
| 06:17.22 | simonrvn | only a) a homophobe b) an actual homosexual male would |
| 06:17.35 | peterS | simonrvn: or c) a heavy smoker (: |
| 06:17.36 | polok | that narrows it down :| |
| 06:17.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:17.46 | polok | hahaha |
| 06:17.47 | JuanValdez | OK.... |
| 06:17.48 | somiaj | simonrvn: where its problaby 80% chance of being a |
| 06:17.51 | RichiH | simonrvn: c) an asshole d) a prebubescent (that right?) male |
| 06:17.52 | JuanValdez | That last part sucked... |
| 06:18.00 | simonrvn | prepub* |
| 06:18.00 | ToreSB | He's /msg-flooding me - - fagboy - - argh |
| 06:18.08 | RichiH | uh, yes |
| 06:18.14 | somiaj | ToreSB: they inveted /ignore for a reason |
| 06:18.21 | LSorensen | yay, 2.6.0-final kernel-images are in sid now. Time for kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 to be tried out. I can build my own later |
| 06:18.25 | ToreSB | somiaj: Actually, this is amusing |
| 06:18.26 | peterS | ToreSB: not much you can do about that other than k-line, and he probably hasn't got to the point of deserving *that* yet |
| 06:18.30 | JuanValdez | I think ,y first Debian install is done!!!!! It *FINALLY* stopped asking me questions. |
| 06:18.35 | RichiH | ToreSB: /ignore or /msg staff |
| 06:18.53 | RichiH | JuanValdez: heh |
| 06:19.09 | RichiH | JuanValdez: setting up X will produce some more questions :) |
| 06:19.09 | polok | ToreSB: flame back |
| 06:19.09 | peterS | !bless polok |
| 06:19.10 | simonrvn | ToreSB: i just left a public msg in #freenode about him |
| 06:19.10 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child polok, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 06:19.28 | ToreSB | He called me a damned foreigner for saying "grow a clue" |
| 06:19.29 | polok | hahaha, I especially like the $DEITY |
| 06:19.39 | JuanValdez | RichiH: I've already answered a schload of X quetions. Are you saying there will me more? |
| 06:19.50 | polok | you can't be a foreigner on the Internet |
| 06:20.03 | xerophyte | I have problem, when i attach pdf file using outlook express and receive back i am able to open the pdf file, but when i receive the same message using evolution the pdf files get corrupted. does anybody know why is that? |
| 06:20.17 | JuanValdez | After the "unpacking" phase here, am I done? |
| 06:20.17 | Justin_ | METRON9: reading every random manual you can find won't help you if you don't even understand the basic concepts of what you are trying to do |
| 06:20.21 | peterS | polok: even if you're not from the same country as Al Gore? |
| 06:20.22 | zeeble | the file is corrupted? |
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| 06:20.32 | polok | peterS: dang straight! |
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| 06:20.49 | helix | polok: kernels aren't that hard to deal with.. ime, at least |
| 06:20.50 | RichiH | JuanValdez: pretty much, yes :) |
| 06:20.53 | shob | woohoo... happy b'day jimmy page! |
| 06:20.56 | JuanValdez | Awesome! |
| 06:21.14 | ToreSB | Wow... I said "Google is your friend - I am not - begone." It worked! He isgone. ;) |
| 06:21.18 | maher | polok: why not just use 2.4 kernels? |
| 06:21.19 | yaiLLf8d | anyone running a 2.6 kernel on a 380 600 or 77X thinkpad? |
| 06:21.26 | simonrvn | ToreSB: heh |
| 06:21.44 | Justin_ | yaiLLf8d: does 760 count? |
| 06:21.56 | ToreSB | Oh, nm. He was probably looking up "begone" |
| 06:22.03 | peterS | shob: when was jimmy page born? "been a long time, been a long time, been a long, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely time" |
| 06:22.04 | ToreSB | yaiLLf8d: I am running it on a 380 |
| 06:22.11 | yaiLLf8d | Justin_: not sure I'm having pcmcia issues yours work? and whats your cpu speed (so I can try to figure if its from the same era) |
| 06:22.38 | yaiLLf8d | ToreSB: your pcmcia eject features work when running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:22.40 | Justin_ | yaiLLf8d: 120, i dnot use 2.6 because pcmcia doesn't work.. no irq on the cardbus bridge.... |
| 06:22.51 | shob | peterS: 60'th b'day today... makes it... 1944 |
| 06:23.06 | peterS | shob: I call that a long time |
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| 06:23.20 | ToreSB | yaiLLf8d: My computer works perfectly. But I don't eject PCMCIA cards 'cause it tends to leave something rotten in the PCMCIA subsystem |
| 06:23.28 | blackisha | is xine broken for testing on the main server? |
| 06:23.32 | yaiLLf8d | ah hrm |
| 06:23.33 | shob | peterS: yep! i just wish led zepp (or what's left of it) would get together and tour one last time |
| 06:23.44 | somiaj | blackisha: that is a question for the bts. |
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| 06:24.23 | JuanValdez | I have joined the ranks of Debian users! (although not the ones that know what they are using!) |
| 06:24.34 | JuanValdez | ...and with that said I think I am going to bed. |
| 06:25.37 | JuanValdez | hafta work tomorrow. |
| 06:25.37 | blackisha | bts? |
| 06:25.37 | somiaj | shob: that would be nice, but with out john bonham its not really led zepplin... |
| 06:25.37 | JuanValdez | Thanks to everyone for their help and input on my first debian install. I appreciated it. |
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| 06:25.37 | peterS | blackisha: "bug tracking system" - http://bugs.debian.org |
| 06:25.37 | somiaj | blackisha: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
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| 06:25.52 | JuanValdez | Later all... Good night. There can be only Juan. |
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| 06:25.52 | somiaj | coffee sucks! |
| 06:26.08 | shob | somiaj: heh, it's not the same without bonzo, or john paul even... but... i like to dream :) |
| 06:26.19 | peterS | coffee does not suck. |
| 06:26.34 | zeeble | what are some good on-the-comp dictonaries? other than dict foo? |
| 06:26.46 | somiaj | (:, if coffee gave you the same reaction it gave me you would agree |
| 06:26.53 | caphuso | zeeble: "dict foo" with some good on-the-comp dictionaries installed |
| 06:27.05 | peterS | somiaj: possibly. you didn't explain what that was, though |
| 06:27.25 | zeeble | caphuso apt-cache search dict | wc -l 357!! |
| 06:27.34 | somiaj | peterS: gut crapms, bad shits, feeling like shit for the next two days after I drink it. |
| 06:27.39 | port80 | I just tried to install mysql-server from stable (recent update) and it's giving me dependancy issues |
| 06:27.47 | somiaj | peterS: want me to elaborate more... |
| 06:27.51 | peterS | somiaj: that would, indeed, tend to suck |
| 06:27.59 | zeeble | port80 what issues? i installed yesterday without problems |
| 06:28.07 | caphuso | zeeble: apt-cache --names-only search ^dict |
| 06:28.22 | port80 | zeeble, mysql-server? |
| 06:28.36 | zeeble | port80 yeah. it will want mysql-common |
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| 06:29.04 | port80 | *nods* even still it errors |
| 06:29.05 | zeeble | caphuso danke. |
| 06:29.16 | zeeble | port80 whatis this, woody? |
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| 06:29.22 | Epicenter | When running 'apt-get dist-upgrade', am I supposed to need to run it *over 20 times* before it installs all the upgraded packages? O.o |
| 06:29.49 | zeeble | Epicenter no |
| 06:29.56 | zeeble | Epicenter once is enough. |
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| 06:30.09 | Epicenter | Also, what's it mean when it says 'gnome-control center' 'mutt', etc 'have been kept back? |
| 06:30.12 | RichiH | Epicenter: but run apt-get update before dist-upgrade |
| 06:30.15 | Epicenter | I did |
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| 06:30.23 | Epicenter | But it installs more packages each time I run it. |
| 06:30.25 | caphuso | Epicenter: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 06:30.41 | caphuso | and use a real package management frontend |
| 06:30.42 | peterS | Epicenter: "kept back" means there's a snag in the dependencies. run aptitude or dselect or some other frontend which can give you more information on why and what your choices are |
| 06:31.00 | shob | RichiH: doesn't dist-upgrade do an upgrade before upgrading the dist? (man apt-get)? |
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| 06:31.15 | RichiH | caphuso: apt-get _is_ a real frontend. it has everything you need (along with apt-cache etc) |
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| 06:31.26 | zeeble | shob update != upgrade |
| 06:31.31 | The_Vulture | ~aptitude |
| 06:31.33 | | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 06:31.35 | RichiH | shob: interesting question, but i would bet no |
| 06:31.36 | caphuso | RichiH: it's not. it's a proof of concept implementation and a playground for new features |
| 06:31.41 | The_Vulture | RichiH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 06:31.47 | RichiH | caphuso: i like it :) |
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| 06:31.57 | The_Vulture | that's up to you, but there are better tools |
| 06:31.59 | shob | zeeble: i know, but man apt-get sez it does upgrade |
| 06:32.02 | zeeble | synaptic is nice. |
| 06:32.09 | caphuso | RichiH: why? because it's more fun than using something reliable? |
| 06:32.13 | Epicenter | OK, doing this dist-upgrade left me with no working copy of KDE, and a version of Gnome 2.4 that will not start up due to an error. Same result on 2 machines w/ similar installs. Should I try other apt sources when I dist-upgrade? ;P |
| 06:32.34 | The_Vulture | Epicenter: did you upgrade to sid? and this suprises you why? |
| 06:32.36 | maher | Epicenter: what are you upgrading to? |
| 06:32.38 | ToreSB | synaptic sucks ungroomed dog fur lumps that gather in vacuum cleaners back out of the little vacuum cleaner bag. |
| 06:32.40 | zeeble | shob oh. yeah, a dist-upgrade includes upgrade. was pointing out that richih was talking about an update of the packagelists before upgrading |
| 06:32.42 | Epicenter | Unstable/Sid |
| 06:32.43 | RichiH | caphuso: i find it reliable and i know what i want to install in most cases, anyway |
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| 06:32.53 | RichiH | The_Vulture: only displays a blank page for me |
| 06:32.53 | Epicenter | Well, I was kind of HOPING that Sid would at least be, well, usable. ;) |
| 06:32.55 | maher | Epicenter: maybe its broken |
| 06:32.57 | shob | zeeble: oh.. heh... |
| 06:33.05 | The_Vulture | RichiH: aptitude, works the same way and does orphan cleaning, which is a good thing |
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| 06:33.20 | The_Vulture | (well can be used the same way anyway "aptitude install foo", "aptitude remove bar" etc..) |
| 06:33.32 | The_Vulture | Epicenter: it is, fsvo "usable" |
| 06:33.33 | zeeble | was'nt there antoerh gui package manager called kpackage? |
| 06:33.38 | somiaj | Epicenter: its usable, you just have to know what your doing because its usally bad at doing things correctly for you |
| 06:33.38 | Epicenter | Is there an easier way to install KDE 3.x or Gnome 2.4 on Woody? Without compiling from source? |
| 06:33.41 | RichiH | ~fsvo |
| 06:33.44 | | fsvo is probably For Some Value Of |
| 06:33.44 | The_Vulture | and the degree of usability varies significantly from day to day |
| 06:33.54 | The_Vulture | Epicenter: look for 3rd party backports, or don't |
| 06:33.54 | RichiH | The_Vulture: oh, really? didn't know that :) |
| 06:33.56 | Epicenter | and without a total upgrade? ;D |
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| 06:34.00 | polok | umm |
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| 06:34.17 | The_Vulture | I gave you one way without a total upgrade, 3rd party backports |
| 06:34.20 | polok | when I update my kernel can I do it by going to www.kernel.org and getting it and doing it that way? |
| 06:34.31 | polok | or should I probably apt-get the source |
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| 06:34.40 | somiaj | Epicenter: there are varrious unoffical backports for such things, #debian-kde for the kde ones, also apt-get.org and backport(s).org have unoffical listings |
| 06:34.43 | Epicenter | where can I find a backport of KDE 3.x? And what exactly IS a backport? ( plz do not be rude.) |
| 06:34.44 | zeeble | polok get the kernel from kernel.org and then compile |
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| 06:34.53 | bucky | Epicenter, http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 06:34.53 | zeeble | Epicenter backports.org |
| 06:35.11 | recall | The_Vulture: KDE 3.1.2 is available from debian mirrors...unstable |
| 06:35.11 | Epicenter | I'm basically going to be setting shit from those in my sources.list and then doing apt-get install foobar? |
| 06:35.16 | somiaj | !backport |
| 06:35.17 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 06:35.25 | The_Vulture | recall: I never said it wasn't.. |
| 06:35.44 | FrankTheTank | backport? is that like a backdoor? |
| 06:35.50 | Epicenter | nah. |
| 06:35.52 | recall | Well, I said it was. ;) |
| 06:35.58 | FrankTheTank | i love the backdoor ;) |
| 06:36.04 | somiaj | Epicenter: yup, though using thrid party packages can lead to problems so you do need to have some idea about how apt/dpkg work and how to manage your system. |
| 06:36.07 | sporq | me too |
| 06:36.08 | Epicenter | So does my cat. |
| 06:36.13 | zeeble | FrankTheTank yeah, you can slip into your gf's house |
| 06:36.16 | Epicenter | It feeds her. |
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| 06:36.21 | shwag | anyone know how to get a fax modem working ? |
| 06:36.30 | Epicenter | You'll need a driver for it, for starters :) |
| 06:36.32 | Epicenter | what kind is it? |
| 06:36.37 | FrankTheTank | shwag, yes |
| 06:36.41 | shwag | external us robotics |
| 06:36.47 | shwag | i got it working in minicom already |
| 06:36.49 | Epicenter | OK, that's a lot easier than internal |
| 06:36.52 | zeeble | caphuso these dicts are like huge :) |
| 06:36.53 | shwag | i just haven't been able to get faxing working. |
| 06:36.59 | Epicenter | I'd say first put PPP support in your kernel, plus serial support .. |
| 06:37.03 | Epicenter | .. then just run a dialer prog |
| 06:37.05 | Epicenter | or script. |
| 06:37.16 | shwag | Epicenter, i got minicom working already..dials and all its on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:37.18 | polok | zeeble: thanks |
| 06:37.21 | Epicenter | So what's the problem? |
| 06:37.24 | shwag | faxing |
| 06:37.24 | shob | if there's an "outstanding" bug on bts with limited info, and I experience the same bug, should I email bts/anyone else with more info? |
| 06:37.26 | polok | well that'll take a while |
| 06:37.28 | Epicenter | Oh. ;P |
| 06:37.31 | shwag | Epicenter, trying to use efax |
| 06:37.35 | Epicenter | I've not tried that ;P Sorry. |
| 06:37.37 | Epicenter | Just PPP Connections. |
| 06:37.42 | zeeble | shob of course |
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| 06:38.03 | shwag | Epicenter, do you know of any other way i can test the modem besides minicom? is there a way to echo commands directly to the modem somehow ? |
| 06:38.23 | shwag | FrankTheTank, hook a brutha up! |
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| 06:38.32 | Epicenter | try apt-cache search modem. You should be able to find a decent terminal prog. |
| 06:38.59 | shwag | Epicenter, well, minicom works, so probably no use. |
| 06:39.01 | zeeble | anyone here enlightenment and has the spiffe these? |
| 06:39.02 | Epicenter | I had one awhile backl, I wish I could remember the name. |
| 06:39.13 | zeeble | Epicenter hyperterminal :P |
| 06:39.15 | Epicenter | I was using it with an external ttys0 Zoom modem. |
| 06:39.18 | Epicenter | Nah, it was a Linux one. |
| 06:39.27 | shob | zeeble: but, I'm not sure as to how much info is enough info for the maintainer to recreate the bug... and it's fresh as of 8th jan (last update today).. but only acknowledge of delivery to maintainer |
| 06:39.29 | Epicenter | HyperTerminal is too pissy for day-to-day use. |
| 06:39.54 | zeeble | Epicenter true. |
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| 06:40.10 | zeeble | shob send whatever you can. |
| 06:40.18 | shwag | zeeble, Epicenter: gtkterm is a linux wannabe hyperterminal |
| 06:40.30 | Epicenter | I used something close to that. |
| 06:40.31 | zeeble | shwag heh, never seen it. will install |
| 06:40.36 | Epicenter | But I believe it was a console prog. |
| 06:40.37 | METRON9 | cool I am learning to use info and man this is going to make learning this thing much easier |
| 06:40.38 | Epicenter | Not a GTK app |
| 06:41.08 | zeeble | lemme start gtkterm |
| 06:41.17 | frevidar | does anyone know how to send ICQ-SMS messages using jabber? |
| 06:41.39 | bucky | apt-cache search hylafax |
| 06:42.11 | Epicenter | *apt-gets and runs minicom* Actually, yeah, this looks like what I was using a few years ago .. |
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| 06:42.41 | zeeble | shwag heh, connected to the pix with gtkterm. its weird. |
| 06:42.41 | sandman | FOr some reason, I run tightvncserver, and it just doesn't start. |
| 06:42.46 | sandman | It displays in teh console that it starts |
| 06:42.49 | sandman | But... it doesn't. |
| 06:43.02 | sandman | Anyone have experience with this? |
| 06:43.13 | Epicenter | fraid not. |
| 06:43.36 | recall | Are "suggested" packages required? I really just want to install the minimal kde first, then add on what I need...256mb for a WM seems a tad bloated. heh |
| 06:43.47 | Epicenter | Nah |
| 06:43.48 | simonrvn | recall: no. just suggested |
| 06:43.51 | Epicenter | You can just use base KDE |
| 06:43.58 | Epicenter | a TON of shit is 'suggested' in KDE. |
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| 06:44.01 | Epicenter | Like an entire office suite. |
| 06:44.14 | recall | How do I tell apt just to get the base? |
| 06:44.21 | sone | heh kde isn't a window manager :) |
| 06:44.21 | simonrvn | what it means is it would add to some functionality, but not essetial to that functionality |
| 06:44.23 | Epicenter | apt-get install kdebase I think ... |
| 06:44.24 | RichiH | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 06:44.36 | zeeble | why do you need kdm? |
| 06:44.41 | Epicenter | It's not vital |
| 06:44.46 | Epicenter | but it is a nice login prompt for X |
| 06:44.53 | simonrvn | gdm is more secure. has its own user, etc. |
| 06:44.53 | Epicenter | for prettiness' sake. |
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| 06:44.59 | RichiH | he said window manager, so i assumed he wanted that, too :) |
| 06:44.59 | lazarus | why would anyone want that filth? |
| 06:45.01 | recall | Don't want a login prompt ;) |
| 06:45.01 | zeeble | well. |
| 06:45.11 | Epicenter | so, don't install kdm :) |
| 06:45.12 | Epicenter | just kde. |
| 06:45.16 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:45.28 | recall | Yeah...but, apt is like "suggested, well, i'll get that for you too!". |
| 06:45.31 | simonrvn | lazarus: some people like to spend extra cycles to log in |
| 06:45.39 | Epicenter | That's because Apt hates the living. |
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| 06:45.52 | Epicenter | I personally love kdm, I hate logging in and THEN doing xinit;kde2 |
| 06:45.55 | recall | And i'm backing away from it like it's a used car salesman with my credit card... |
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| 06:46.23 | RichiH | recall: uh, that's pretty dumb, actually |
| 06:46.35 | Epicenter | RichiH: how so? :) |
| 06:46.39 | RichiH | you should run after the salesman to get the card back |
| 06:46.46 | Epicenter | RichiH: Or you could just stab him. |
| 06:46.54 | Epicenter | Um, I mean, chasew him. yeah. |
| 06:46.54 | RichiH | with the card |
| 06:46.54 | recall | Heh |
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| 06:47.15 | lazarus | simonrvn: heh |
| 06:47.39 | lazarus | simonrvn: Linux boxname 2.6.1 #1 Fri Jan 9 21:26:37 UTC 2004 i486 unknown |
| 06:47.47 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 06:47.54 | lazarus | simonrvn: does that look like i want to spend more cycles? ;-) |
| 06:47.58 | recall | Ok, kdebase definately looks better. |
| 06:48.06 | simonrvn | lazarus: teehee |
| 06:48.26 | RichiH | Epicenter: cashew him? |
| 06:48.46 | Epicenter | This is probably a dumb fucking question. But I run Folding@home (a distributed computing app.) Will it finish more work units quicker running on *2* machines, each with their own work set, or 2 machines using SMP on the SAME work set? |
| 06:48.46 | zeeble | anyone suggest a good webhost - clued admins, speedy, php4, cgi, mysql? around 0.5Gig os space |
| 06:48.49 | Epicenter | (I meant chase.) |
| 06:48.56 | RichiH | :) |
| 06:49.08 | zeeble | lazarus a 486? |
| 06:49.18 | FrankTheTank | how do you send messages to the users logged into your box? |
| 06:49.33 | zeeble | FrankTheTank man wall |
| 06:49.33 | Justin_ | figures the dc/dc card is what I think is broken on this laptop, and you have to take 10 things out before you get to it |
| 06:49.44 | FrankTheTank | zeeble, a simple rtfm shall do |
| 06:49.47 | lazarus | zeeble: yes |
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| 06:49.56 | lazarus | zeeble: 486dx33 |
| 06:50.08 | zeeble | lazarus how long did it take to compile that kernel? :) |
| 06:50.08 | RichiH | Epicenter: you will finish the first packet faster with the SMP setup. but every two packages should take about the same time (with aboutequal power to the boxes, of course) |
| 06:50.10 | Epicenter | lazarus: OMG OVERCLOCK IT |
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| 06:50.25 | lazarus | Epicenter: why would i want to ruin my hardware? |
| 06:50.34 | Epicenter | A 486-33 is hard to kill. |
| 06:50.42 | lazarus | zeeble: hours, though on another box, that has no room for a compiler |
| 06:50.59 | Epicenter | I had a 286 I poured water all over, and it was still operational enough to crank out a message onscreen. CMOS INOPERATIONAL, SYSTEM HALTED |
| 06:51.02 | Epicenter | But it WAS running. |
| 06:51.10 | zeeble | lazarus you mean you have a spare 486 too? |
| 06:51.12 | zeeble | boy |
| 06:51.28 | lazarus | zeeble: um, i have a lan here |
| 06:51.31 | zeeble | someone did'nt sell stuff early :P |
| 06:51.37 | Epicenter | RichiH: Well, they're a 2.80 GHz Pentium 4 laptop and an AMD K6-2-450@550 MHz. |
| 06:51.39 | bob2 | !+info tla sid |
| 06:51.40 | Epicenter | Not exactly equal. |
| 06:51.45 | dpkg | tla: (arch revision control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 327 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 06:51.47 | Justin_ | lazarus: damn, my ss20 was $16, and kicks our 486's ass |
| 06:51.51 | Justin_ | er, your |
| 06:52.02 | hanasaki | hey all.. i fileed a reiser filesystem to 100% by accident. delted the files that i filled it with but the space is still all used up.. how can i fix this? |
| 06:52.12 | lazarus | Justin_: that's $16 more than i can afford |
| 06:52.15 | polok | what does "make gconfig" do when compiling a kernel? |
| 06:52.24 | Epicenter | bring up a gtk Configuration tool. |
| 06:52.30 | Epicenter | whereas Xconfig brings up an X based one.. |
| 06:52.34 | lazarus | hanasaki: tried sync yet? |
| 06:52.36 | Epicenter | menuconfig/config console ones. |
| 06:52.42 | Justin_ | lazarus: well it was ~ $40 after shipping |
| 06:52.52 | hanasaki | lazarus: yes.. and a reboot |
| 06:52.53 | lazarus | Justin_: ouch |
| 06:53.04 | RichiH | hanasaki: hmm, strange |
| 06:53.04 | Justin_ | lazarus: it has 416M of ram :-P |
| 06:53.14 | Epicenter | Those let you configure the kernel options before you start compiling, so MAKE/GCC know what to include and what not to ;) |
| 06:53.16 | hanasaki | ya :( |
| 06:53.23 | hanasaki | and i only hae the one partion |
| 06:53.25 | hanasaki | :( |
| 06:53.36 | zeeble | polok where did you read about the make gconfig? |
| 06:53.49 | Epicenter | Can you DOWNgrade with dist-upgrade from Unstable to Stable? ;D |
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| 06:54.15 | hanasaki | anyway to force fsck to run on a reboot/ |
| 06:54.17 | hanasaki | ? |
| 06:54.26 | Justin_ | hanasaki: man shutdown |
| 06:54.53 | VolVE | hey all, I'm trying to clone a disk on Woody using dd and I'm having trouble figuring out what the bs= option does, technically... (both disks are identical) |
| 06:55.05 | hanasaki | ah.. bbl |
| 06:55.05 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 06:55.12 | zeeble | VolVE boot sector? |
| 06:55.16 | RichiH | hanasaki: you can just init 1, umount / and fsck it |
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| 06:55.36 | zeeble | VolVE never mind. i was wrong |
| 06:55.44 | VolVE | zeeble: hehe, thanks :) |
| 06:55.47 | xerophyte | How can i start xwindows with gnome .. i mean its starting with twm something? |
| 06:55.48 | Epicenter | Can you DOWNgrade with dist-upgrade from Unstable to Stable? ;D |
| 06:55.57 | Epicenter | a.k.a. sid to woody.. |
| 06:56.01 | Epicenter | in this case |
| 06:56.06 | maher | VolVE: why not just use cp or rsync? |
| 06:56.25 | zeeble | xerophyte create a file called .xsession in your home directory. put a line saying "exec gnome-session" |
| 06:56.33 | recall | Hm, when there are multiple versions of a program in unstable, which version does apt install by default? |
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| 06:56.47 | xerophyte | zeeble i am trying with vncserver |
| 06:56.50 | MrBond82 | Does anyone know where the courier-imap logs are saved to? |
| 06:56.58 | VolVE | maher: because it's not a standard partition type, it's a portion of an LVM that needs replacing |
| 06:57.05 | bob2 | recall: there are never multiple versions of a program in unstable. |
| 06:57.15 | lazarus | recall: there are not |
| 06:57.23 | bob2 | MrBond82: courier-imap doesn't log anything aside from "login succeeded/failed" |
| 06:57.25 | maher | !tell Epicenter about downgrade |
| 06:57.43 | recall | bob2, lazarus: ok. |
| 06:58.24 | bob2 | recall: if apt knows about two versions of the one package from different sources, hwoever, it will install the one with the highest version number. |
| 06:58.34 | bob2 | recall: as determined by "dpkg --compare-versions" |
| 06:58.37 | polok | zeeble: www.linuxquestions.org |
| 06:58.59 | maher | VolVE: bs is block size - you can probably use the actual disc block size |
| 06:59.00 | tvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.29 | caphuso | tvn: 2.4.24 is not much more than 2.4.23 + mremap() patch |
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| 06:59.47 | recall | bob2: thanks. I see why I saw multiple versions in my cache. |
| 06:59.58 | caphuso | the whole changelog is only 4 items long |
| 07:00.11 | METRON9 | ok stupid question: I have 4 proftpd-doc.* files, what do I use to read them with and what file has the documentation. |
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| 07:00.41 | The_Vulture | well that'd depend what extension they have most likely.. |
| 07:00.42 | xerophyte | zeeble thanks i was looking for gnome-session :) my memory sucks i forget things too easily |
| 07:00.46 | penguen | hey all with gcc compilers both on linux and on winXP my simple code to print %c from 128 to 255 produces different results. why is that? |
| 07:00.55 | tvn | caphuso: I can't use 2.4.23 on my laptop yet, all the acpi stuffs won't work with it so I have to stick with .22 .. so just wonder if there's a patch for it seperately |
| 07:00.57 | The_Vulture | penguen: different character sets |
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| 07:01.08 | The_Vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.14 | zeeble | caphuso whta lappy is this? |
| 07:01.19 | METRON9 | md5sums,postinst,prerm,list |
| 07:01.21 | caphuso | tvn: you can apply it by hand, it's only a few lines |
| 07:01.33 | zeeble | caphuso maybe acpi stuff from 2.6 is already in 2.4.24 which you can use |
| 07:01.44 | zeeble | err, caphusao sorry |
| 07:01.44 | tvn | caphuso, oh ? cool - I'll check that - thanks |
| 07:01.45 | caphuso | zeeble: no, it's not |
| 07:01.45 | penguen | The_Vulture, which one's character set is which one? |
| 07:01.52 | caphuso | zeeble: and you're talking to the wrong person |
| 07:02.00 | zeeble | caphuso yeah, realised late. |
| 07:02.05 | bob2 | recall: "apt-cache policy package" is useful in cases like this. |
| 07:02.12 | VolVE | maher: not too sound too redundant, but what does specifying a block size actually make dd do differently? |
| 07:02.24 | zeeble | caphuso some acpi stuff from 2.6 is in 2.4.24 for my laptop which works great |
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| 07:03.01 | maher | VolVE: it specifies the chunk sizes in which dd attemps to read/write the data |
| 07:03.14 | maher | VolVE: info dd |
| 07:03.30 | caphuso | zeeble: 2.4.24 or 2.4.24-preX? |
| 07:03.39 | zeeble | caphuso 2.4.24 |
| 07:03.39 | FrankTheTank | VolVE, u were just told to RTFM! in your face! |
| 07:03.48 | caphuso | zeeble: then it's already been in 2.4.23 |
| 07:04.11 | caphuso | zeeble: and tvn said that 2.4.23 wouldn't work, so 2.4.24 won't work either |
| 07:04.15 | VolVE | I love those automated replies <sigh> |
| 07:04.23 | zeeble | caphuso hm |
| 07:04.27 | VolVE | maher: thanks, I had looked at info/man, but it wasn't entirly clear |
| 07:04.58 | maher | VolVE: in your case it probably doesn't matter all that much... |
| 07:04.59 | bob2 | APT-PROXY IS EVIL |
| 07:05.02 | bob2 | EVILEVILEVILEVIL |
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| 07:05.56 | hanasaki | appearantly reiser doent fsck on reboot even with shutdown -F |
| 07:05.58 | CSMan | hey guys, has anybody tried to play shoutcast links via mpg123? |
| 07:06.13 | hanasaki | nope.. but xmms works fine |
| 07:06.48 | bob2 | reiser doesn't fsck. |
| 07:07.03 | FrankTheTank | i fsck'ed your mother :P |
| 07:07.04 | CSMan | hanasaki: well, it happens that xmms is too heavy for my box :o |
| 07:07.16 | hanasaki | sorry CS :( |
| 07:07.31 | CSMan | reiser is ok, ext3 doesn't like me |
| 07:07.37 | whlwc | is there any audio player for x that takes less sys resource? (A la foobar2000 > Winamp for win32) |
| 07:07.37 | hanasaki | dammit.. i am regretting using resier |
| 07:07.40 | FrankTheTank | someone pass the TP |
| 07:07.49 | hanasaki | CSMan: ummm you reda what i did w/ reiser? |
| 07:07.54 | CSMan | whlwc: try mpg123 |
| 07:07.57 | bob2 | whlwc: cplay in a Eterm works great for me. |
| 07:08.08 | CSMan | hanasaki: nope |
| 07:08.08 | VolVE | maher: hmm, alright, thanks for your help, I guess if this copy hasn't finished in the morning I'll try and specify some block sizes... :) |
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| 07:08.25 | whlwc | ok thanx, looking at my options now... |
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| 07:09.01 | pneuma | what is the character to AND two regexps patterns for a egrep? |
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| 07:09.18 | caphuso | pneuma: grep foo | grep bar |
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| 07:09.50 | pneuma | caphuso: oh okay. i was wondering if there was some way to avoid having two like that |
| 07:10.07 | caphuso | pneuma: egrep '(foo.*bar|bar.*foo)' |
| 07:10.31 | caphuso | i like the first one better |
| 07:10.46 | bob2 | fork on linxu is so fast it's nto going to matter |
| 07:11.01 | bob2 | and they share all code pages anyway |
| 07:11.02 | caphuso | and grep's not KDE, so linking time isn't important either |
| 07:11.08 | bob2 | hah |
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| 07:11.25 | bob2 | grep is 71k |
| 07:11.29 | hanasaki | any thoughts on recovering my space on the reiser filesystme partion? its wsa filled .. i deleted the extra files.. the space wasnt recovered |
| 07:11.31 | bob2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 71K Nov 20 00:38 /bin/grep* |
| 07:11.33 | bob2 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 71K Oct 5 09:10 /bin/ls* |
| 07:11.36 | bob2 | that's insane. |
| 07:11.39 | bob2 | !lart GNU |
| 07:11.54 | bob2 | hanasaki: because the files are still open? |
| 07:12.03 | hanasaki | bob2: cant be.. i rebooted |
| 07:12.04 | hanasaki | twice |
| 07:12.20 | bob2 | hah. |
| 07:12.30 | pneuma | caphuso: isn't that second example of yours an OR ?? |
| 07:12.30 | bob2 | so, you had lots of crap, which you deleted. then rebooted. |
| 07:12.37 | bob2 | and the output of "df" doesn't show a drop? |
| 07:12.46 | hanasaki | exactly |
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| 07:12.50 | caphuso | pneuma: it uses an or to achieve the and |
| 07:13.10 | RichiH | hanasaki: did you fsck, already? |
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| 07:13.35 | hanasaki | RichiH: i cant..i only have the one partion.. i tried shutdown -F but it didnt run on reboot |
| 07:13.49 | hanasaki | RichiH: umm how can i fsk? |
| 07:13.50 | lazarus | hanasaki: du? |
| 07:13.54 | RichiH | hanasaki: init 1; umount /; fsck /dev/whatever |
| 07:13.56 | hanasaki | fsck? |
| 07:13.56 | Justin_ | bob2: i think all grep does is interface to the regep stuff in libc |
| 07:14.08 | bob2 | Justin_: oh, good point. |
| 07:14.15 | RichiH | as i already said earlier, i might point out ;) |
| 07:14.17 | bob2 | um, no. |
| 07:14.18 | hanasaki | RichiH: fsck is in the same partiion as / |
| 07:14.23 | bob2 | you can't umount / |
| 07:14.35 | Justin_ | thats why i told him to man shutdown a while ago... |
| 07:14.42 | Justin_ | you can remount it r/o though... |
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| 07:15.09 | caphuso | ¡tell Justin_ about away |
| 07:15.10 | RichiH | bob2, hanasaki: oh crap, sorry... that was this old suse feature i forgot about... it was really useful and i kinda can't forget about it |
| 07:15.12 | hanasaki | :( |
| 07:15.12 | hanasaki | lazarus: du from the top of the / directory? |
| 07:15.20 | hanasaki | ah |
| 07:15.21 | lazarus | hanasaki: okay |
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| 07:15.30 | RichiH | hanasaki: is this your only box? can you grab some boot disk iso and burn it? |
| 07:15.31 | hanasaki | hmm reboot w/ knoppix and fsck ? |
| 07:15.42 | hanasaki | yes. my only box |
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| 07:15.59 | RichiH | you got a knoppix cd? perfect, just use that |
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| 07:16.04 | hanasaki | k |
| 07:16.07 | dax | What is the Debian equiv of the Irix/RedHat/SUSE "chkconfig" command? |
| 07:16.10 | hanasaki | i am out :) wish me luck |
| 07:16.23 | lazarus | dax: wtf? tell us what you want to do |
| 07:16.28 | CSMan | cool! |
| 07:16.51 | CSMan | no gui , no X, heheh... |
| 07:17.02 | dax | Control what SysV init scripts start in which runlevel without having to use "rm" and "ln -s" |
| 07:17.06 | pneuma | dax: update-rc.d |
| 07:17.16 | lazarus | dax: man update-rc.d |
| 07:18.12 | lazarus | dax: the man pages explains dedbian's system as well |
| 07:18.53 | dax | Hmm... does the sequence number always need to be specified? |
| 07:19.07 | dax | is there a equiv to "chkconfig httpd off" |
| 07:19.10 | caphuso | dax: no, not if you hook up a AI to it |
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| 07:19.50 | dax | caphuso: SUSE and RH must have invented AI then... |
| 07:20.01 | dax | ... or maybe just reasonable defaults |
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| 07:20.51 | caphuso | dax: no, they didn't. they just went for the works-most-of-the-time-but-not-always solution |
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| 07:21.03 | lazarus | dax: READ the man page |
| 07:21.07 | dax | I've never seen the "not always" scenario occur |
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| 07:21.24 | dax | FWIW |
| 07:21.46 | prologic | Are there any howto's for configuring fetchmail-ssl properly ? |
| 07:21.48 | caphuso | dax: and that means that such a scenario doesn't exist, right? |
| 07:22.04 | caphuso | prologic: there's a huge man page explaining every detail |
| 07:22.32 | prologic | caphuso, don't you have to do things like get the certificate and what not ? (that's the bit I can't find out how to do). |
| 07:23.57 | dax | caphuso: No of course not, but the scenario is filed right next to the "whatif moon collides with earth" scenario |
| 07:24.40 | caphuso | prologic: that's in the openssl docs |
| 07:24.47 | caphuso | dax: hehe |
| 07:26.07 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.08 | caphuso | dax: you've never seen 50 students sitting in front of 20 redhat boxes refusing to boot because some init script didn't get executed at the right time, haven't you? |
| 07:26.47 | mitchix_ | i'll second that request for a "howto for dummies" version.... |
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| 07:27.12 | pneuma | prologic: i use it and just put "ssl" at the end of each user stanza |
| 07:27.22 | dax | caphuso: Nope. |
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| 07:27.39 | caphuso | pneuma: easier to put a 'defaults ssl' on top of the file |
| 07:27.46 | caphuso | s/on top/at the top/ |
| 07:27.54 | pneuma | caphuso: ah thanks for that! |
| 07:28.12 | mitchix_ | andersee: i'm working on getting sbuild going now... kind of found some mail-list stuff for the chroot links... but nothing to build them for i386 just stuff for m68 |
| 07:28.20 | bbmj_ | it's off topic i know but does anyone know of any divx encoders for linux? |
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| 07:29.01 | pneuma | caphuso: actually though on of the pop servers i use doesn't support ssl :-( |
| 07:29.17 | maher | bbmj_: apt-cache search divx |
| 07:29.37 | pneuma | bbmj_: acidrip |
| 07:29.38 | lazarus | pneuma: you send your password cleartext? |
| 07:30.04 | pneuma | lazarus: i guess so. they don't support ssl |
| 07:30.30 | dax | WTF does this mean (man up2date-rc.d) -- "If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exists then update-rc.d does nothing." |
| 07:30.35 | lazarus | pneuma: you send your password cleartext? and you don't *know* so? scary, i'd never tolerate that |
| 07:31.15 | lazarus | dax: maybe you should look in the dirs |
| 07:31.16 | pneuma | lazarus: its a crap account that came with the ISP. the only mail on it is spam from the ISP |
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| 07:31.41 | pneuma | lazarus: if they want to sniff and see my monthly bills its okay |
| 07:31.54 | lazarus | pneuma: time to educate the isp why you don't use them |
| 07:31.58 | andersee | mitchix_: any success thus far then at making things work? |
| 07:32.24 | pneuma | lazarus: to make matters worse: the ISP blocks all SMTP port 25 traffic to all hosts except theirs. |
| 07:32.32 | lazarus | pneuma: probably means its your entire account password too :( |
| 07:32.42 | pneuma | lazarus: and theirs does not support TLS, MD5, or anything else. |
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| 07:32.59 | caphuso | get a new ISP |
| 07:33.12 | pneuma | yeah earthlink truly sucks |
| 07:33.18 | mitchix_ | andersee: really no.. and i feel like an idiot... i don't usaly have this much trouble... (i did a google for "config sbuild chroot symlink" and got a few hits form the m68 mailing list(seems to be the best souce.. i've read some of the archives from the list) |
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| 07:33.44 | pneuma | i'll probably switch to AT&T worldnet |
| 07:34.03 | andersee | mitchix_: are you aware of any alternative autobuilder systems? |
| 07:34.49 | andersee | mitchix_: I'm a bright guy, but I think buildd has me defeated... |
| 07:35.23 | pneuma | lazarus: well, if its any consolation, i do tethereal myself from time to time to make sure what is sniffable |
| 07:35.52 | mitchix_ | andersee: yes debbuild and a few others... |
| 07:35.59 | lazarus | pneuma: nod |
| 07:36.49 | mitchix_ | andersee: ya i agree with the bright guy part... the buildd system is complex and very UNDER DOCUMENTED... i think you need to start with sbuild since it seems to be the first componeted... |
| 07:37.20 | dax | Can anyone show me an example usage of update-rc.d that nukes all "S" scripts for a daemon but leaves all the "K" scripts? |
| 07:37.49 | andersee | mitchix_: after a couple of hours reading the source, I still just don't get it.... |
| 07:37.55 | caphuso | dax: rm /etc/rc?.d/S*daemonname |
| 07:38.11 | somiaj | caphuso: nice use of update-rc.d |
| 07:38.28 | caphuso | somiaj: the update-rc.d solution is about twice as much to type |
| 07:38.32 | mitchix_ | andersee: lol i've not resorted to source... just lots of googling.. and trying to read man pages and readme's.... |
| 07:38.50 | somiaj | caphuso: (: |
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| 07:38.58 | dax | caphuso: Can I see the update-rc.d solution? |
| 07:39.03 | caphuso | dax: man update-rc.d |
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| 07:39.38 | dax | update-rc.d is overengineered |
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| 07:39.50 | dax | chkconfig owns it |
| 07:40.07 | pneuma | dax: read the man page. it has a good ex. |
| 07:40.43 | pneuma | dax: update-rc.d is better because it doesn't depend on meta-data in the scripts themselves, but keeps it separate |
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| 07:41.12 | caphuso | update-rc.d doesn't have any meta-data |
| 07:41.26 | dax | I don't want to store the meta-data in my brain. It is lossy. |
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| 07:42.21 | dax | I tried: update-rc.d apache stop 91 0 1 6 |
| 07:42.24 | caphuso | that's why you are supposed to understand how sysvinit works |
| 07:42.40 | dax | and it complained I didn't have "start" options too. |
| 07:42.47 | dax | I don't *want* any start links |
| 07:42.56 | pneuma | caphuso: actually it does if the runlevel is not 20 then it stores it in ... i forget where .. i think in /var somewhere |
| 07:43.03 | dax | "remove" wants to nuke all the S and K scripts |
| 07:43.33 | caphuso | $ grep -c var =update-rc.d |
| 07:43.34 | caphuso | 0 |
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| 07:43.35 | modconf | caphuso: i don't know |
| 07:43.45 | caphuso | pneuma: see, it doesn't want to read anything in var |
| 07:43.46 | JimButton | caphuso: zsh? |
| 07:44.05 | caphuso | JimButton: yeah |
| 07:44.11 | JimButton | nifty syntax :) |
| 07:44.13 | pneuma | caphuso: maybe its rcconf i'm thinking of... |
| 07:44.20 | caphuso | pneuma: yeah, rcconf does that |
| 07:44.50 | pneuma | yeah was thinking of /var/lib/rcconf/services |
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| 07:46.17 | dax | Config tools and procedures should be optmized for the common case, allow for the uncommon case, and be as simple as possible (but no more) |
| 07:46.36 | dax | update-rc.d flunks |
| 07:46.48 | caphuso | dax: then use rm and ln |
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| 07:47.07 | caphuso | optimized for the common case, allowing any imaginable uncommon case and incredibly simple |
| 07:47.24 | dax | yup |
| 07:47.47 | dax | regarding "rm and ln" . . . you are forgetting about the ulimate goal of UNIX/Linux |
| 07:47.49 | caphuso | dax: do i need to remind you that you wanted the update-rc.d solution? so stop whining, you got what you asked for |
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| 07:48.40 | maher | dax: what is the ultimate goal of linux again? |
| 07:48.49 | JimButton | maher: world domination |
| 07:48.49 | caphuso | world domination |
| 07:48.52 | caphuso | damn |
| 07:48.55 | JimButton | lol |
| 07:49.08 | dax | maher: To compress my job into a single key stroke |
| 07:49.12 | pneuma | i thought that was going to be Hurd's role ? |
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| 07:50.42 | caphuso | the hurd's role is to stay in development until microkernels are outdated |
| 07:51.14 | vonjkx | lol |
| 07:51.16 | JimButton | pneuma: hurd's role is to serve as a masturbation tool for OS zealots |
| 07:51.58 | dax | Linux exists to save me time. I'm only here for 75 or so years and I'd rather be hiking, or eating a cake rather than wasting time with overly complex |
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| 07:52.08 | dax | software |
| 07:52.20 | caphuso | dax: oh, would you please stop crying now? |
| 07:52.42 | pneuma | i used update-rc.d last week and it worked fine |
| 07:53.14 | pw | dax: Linux doesn't owe you a damn thing. |
| 07:53.20 | dax | Nobody is crying... |
| 07:53.22 | pneuma | i pretty much copied and pasted the example on to the command line and edited it |
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| 07:53.56 | JimButton | dax: well, why don't you eat cake then? |
| 07:53.58 | pneuma | if your complaining because a couple of switches are slightly different... |
| 07:54.46 | caphuso | the time dax wasted on typing in his philosophical view on linux would have been enough to hack a customized update-rc.d replacement together |
| 07:55.11 | simonrvn | or to fix the symlinks by hand in mc |
| 07:55.21 | dax | symlinks with mc ? |
| 07:55.25 | caphuso | *shudder* |
| 07:55.30 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 07:55.39 | caphuso | simonrvn: you're disgusting :) |
| 07:56.00 | simonrvn | thank you :) |
| 07:56.08 | deven | I have Stable/Woody installed and I want to install KDE v3.x, but I do not wish to compile it. How would I go about doing it? I understand I need a 'backport' but that's about all I know. |
| 07:56.19 | caphuso | deven: go to www.apt-get.org |
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| 07:56.29 | caphuso | deven: and check out #debian-kde |
| 07:56.38 | dax | BTW, thanks for the update-rc.d pointer |
| 07:56.46 | deven | Once I set the sources.list entries it recommends on apt-get.org or backports.org, what apt-get install * packages should I get? |
| 07:57.09 | deven | I want a fully functioning KDE 3.x environment preferably with all the normally included apps. |
| 07:57.27 | simonrvn | apt-get install kde |
| 07:57.32 | deven | ... that's all? |
| 07:57.45 | pneuma | deven: see the FAQ in debian-kde its important |
| 07:57.58 | deven | How do I get to the faq? .. |
| 07:58.10 | caphuso | deven: by reading the topic of #debian-kde |
| 07:58.13 | pneuma | deven: /join #debian-kde |
| 07:58.14 | simonrvn | /join #debian-kde, /topic |
| 07:58.35 | caphuso | or /topic #debian-kde |
| 07:58.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:58.59 | deven | Thanks ^.^ |
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| 08:00.24 | deven | Fuck! The site with the FAQ is down. |
| 08:00.33 | deven | 'http://wiki.debian.net/DebianKDE' |
| 08:00.54 | dax | What are the legal values for --priority with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:00.57 | dax | ? |
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| 08:01.12 | METRON9 | I finally have my new proftpd working perfect. One question if a root creates a directory folder how do you change the folders owner to another users name |
| 08:01.19 | caphuso | dax: critical, high, medium, low |
| 08:01.32 | simonrvn | 1-100 iirc |
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| 08:01.38 | deven | METRON9: chown username directoryname? |
| 08:01.42 | dax | If I want to see all questions I use "low"? |
| 08:01.50 | simonrvn | actually, higher. but dunno how high |
| 08:01.59 | METRON9 | I use to live on chown thanks |
| 08:02.07 | deven | np ;) |
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| 08:02.12 | simonrvn | dax: oh sorry my bad. low-high |
| 08:02.27 | deven | caphuso: The site with the Debian-KDE FAQ is down and NO one talks in #debian-kde. Any chance you can tell me what to do, plz? :) |
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| 08:02.58 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:03.30 | deven | what? |
| 08:03.38 | deven | The FAQ doesn't work, you can't tell me to RTFM .. ;) |
| 08:03.47 | METRON9 | i was searching for "usr" instead of "owner" in linux commands thats y i could not find it. Good thats another 8 hours figuering out how things work. Thanks again for all your help, going to get some shuteye |
| 08:03.54 | pneuma | deven: google debian kde faq |
| 08:03.56 | deven | No prob |
| 08:03.57 | simonrvn | deven: re: telling you what to do |
| 08:04.16 | dax | The default ntp.conf installed with the ntp packages has security problems... |
| 08:04.20 | simonrvn | and no, not rtfm |
| 08:04.21 | deven | Sarcasm abounds here. ;) |
| 08:04.40 | simonrvn | we harvest every 2 weeks |
| 08:04.50 | deven | Is it a requirement for linux gurus to be elitist? ;) |
| 08:05.07 | simonrvn | what? gurus? where? i haven't seen any |
| 08:05.08 | deven | hrm, I'll take that as a yes. ;D |
| 08:05.08 | dax | deven: seems like it |
| 08:05.19 | deven | Well, I guess I'm the only one who's not ;D |
| 08:05.31 | deven | Well, 'knowledgeable users'. |
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| 08:05.35 | deven | Guru is subjective. |
| 08:05.38 | caphuso | deven: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/diverses/349.gif |
| 08:05.53 | deven | I'd love to check that URL, but I am in the console. |
| 08:05.59 | deven | Lynx has trouble viewing GIFs. ;) |
| 08:06.00 | Nurbs | haha |
| 08:06.02 | simonrvn | caphuso reveals his secret dyndns site :P |
| 08:06.15 | caphuso | deven: zgv |
| 08:06.18 | deven | zgv? |
| 08:06.45 | dax | Deven: lynx with aalib is your answer :) |
| 08:06.56 | dbron | so much for the "knowledgable user" status |
| 08:06.59 | McCabe | i want to install debian on a computer thats already running linux. it doesent have a cd why minimal cd + install over network is out of the question. But since its already running, cant i download the installation to disk and run it from there? |
| 08:07.09 | deven | Isn't Lynx with images, um, defeating the purpose of lynx? ;D |
| 08:07.30 | pneuma | isn't that redundant to have <user>.<domain>/~<user> ? |
| 08:07.42 | deven | McCabe: Copy the contents of a NetInstall CD directly to the HDD via FTP/SSH? |
| 08:07.46 | deven | McCabe: Then boot that? |
| 08:08.00 | thesuave1 | blah really tired |
| 08:08.02 | deven | (or use boot floppies?) |
| 08:08.11 | thesuave1 | how do I read data from a serial port and log to a file? |
| 08:08.25 | deven | I think cat /dev/ttys0 > filename.txt |
| 08:08.28 | thesuave1 | "cat /dev/ttyS0 > filename &" isn't working... it quits quickly |
| 08:08.31 | deven | ... |
| 08:08.32 | deven | odd. |
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| 08:08.49 | thesuave1 | yeah, at first it says "Done", then it dissapears from the tasklist |
| 08:08.51 | McCabe | deven: you mean putting the cd image on the hd...? or access |
| 08:08.52 | deven | what's the & you're sticking after filename? |
| 08:08.57 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehehehe |
| 08:09.02 | deven | McCabe: Empty out the image into actual files |
| 08:09.04 | thesuave1 | deven: this needs to keep running after logging out |
| 08:09.08 | deven | McCabe: Then drop those on the CD. |
| 08:09.10 | deven | er |
| 08:09.10 | deven | HDD |
| 08:09.13 | pneuma | McCabe: does it have a floppy? |
| 08:09.32 | deven | thesuave1: I suppose you might be able to make it a daemon. But I'm not entirely sure how to do that. |
| 08:09.32 | McCabe | pneuma: it does have a floppy, but i dont have 4 empty disks.. |
| 08:09.51 | deven | McCabe: Why not just go to computergeeks.com, and buy a 16x CDROM and IDE cable for $5? :) |
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| 08:10.01 | simonrvn | nohup foo&; disown |
| 08:10.02 | thesuave1 | hmmm |
| 08:10.03 | McCabe | deven: and then just start the installation from the disk? |
| 08:10.09 | pneuma | McCabe: so you want to overwrite the existing linux on it? |
| 08:10.11 | thesuave1 | foo is the file? |
| 08:10.15 | deven | McCabe: If you want to install a FULL debian installation with nothing but floppies you are in for a bit of pain <g> |
| 08:10.22 | deven | McCabe: I think that would work, yes. |
| 08:10.24 | McCabe | deven: because that would mean flying over the atlantic ;) |
| 08:10.31 | deven | McCabe: ... |
| 08:10.41 | McCabe | pneuma: yeah, overwrite exsiting |
| 08:10.43 | deven | McCabe: A lot of companies DO offer international shipping. <g> |
| 08:10.58 | simonrvn | thesuave1: more or less. there's more to 'foo', but that's it |
| 08:11.21 | deven | .. right? ;D |
| 08:11.24 | thesuave1 | awesome :) |
| 08:11.25 | thesuave1 | thanks |
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| 08:11.51 | McCabe | ok.. ill look into using the cd files from hd.. thanks |
| 08:12.00 | deven | McCabe: No prob |
| 08:12.02 | pneuma | hmm, does the debian installer support mounted a boot CD over NFS? |
| 08:12.05 | thesuave1 | what's "disown"? |
| 08:12.05 | deven | Good luck :D |
| 08:12.14 | deven | pneuma: I am pretty sure it does. |
| 08:12.18 | pneuma | s/mounted/mounting |
| 08:12.21 | deven | though I've never used it. |
| 08:12.25 | simonrvn | shell built-in |
| 08:12.42 | deven | I know my 2.2-Potato version for M68k had NFS support.. |
| 08:12.47 | deven | Not tried it on newer versions. |
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| 08:13.02 | pneuma | McCabe: i don't know how many floppies it would take but you could try to nfs mount the install cd on another box |
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| 08:13.17 | dax | I just went through the pain of installing Debian (woody) using software RAID on / on a computer with no cdrom, floppy, keyboard, or video card. Just serial console. |
| 08:13.22 | deven | He's gonna try just using the network to dump the ISO contents to the HDD. |
| 08:13.30 | lemmywinks | does the nvidia-kernel-source not work with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:13.44 | McCabe | pneuma: yeah, good idea.. |
| 08:13.50 | deven | lemmywinks: 1st of all, I love your name. Second, I think it does. |
| 08:13.54 | dax | lemmywinks, I don't know about eh debian package but there exists kernel patches |
| 08:13.56 | deven | But what is the problem you are having with it? |
| 08:13.59 | lemmywinks | deven: hehe. thanks |
| 08:14.13 | mrhat234 | I just now upgraded my debian unstable using dist-upgrade and now my usb mouse wont work (mouse is detected but not linked to /dev/input/mice) any pointers |
| 08:14.18 | deven | if it is the same as the one I had, I have a solution. |
| 08:14.38 | thesuave1 | simonrvn: where do I specify the source port? |
| 08:14.41 | carles | kernel 2.6.1 released |
| 08:14.47 | pneuma | McCabe: another option would be to nfs mount a linux cd in rescue mode and then use rsync to sync an existing install over |
| 08:15.23 | deven | lemmywinks: are you having a problem using the nVidia driver? |
| 08:15.24 | lemmywinks | dax: there's no package for those patches? |
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| 08:15.44 | dax | lemmywinks: Sorry, I'm no Debian expert |
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| 08:15.47 | lemmywinks | deven: sorta. I can't build the driver with linux 2.6 |
| 08:16.10 | McCabe | pneuma: i dont have a similar system available to rsync.. but if i mount the installation cd on a different box as pneuma sugggested, cant i start the installation from the linux thats already there, overwrite it and reboot? |
| 08:16.16 | deven | lemmywinks: Tried the installer from nvidia.com? |
| 08:16.28 | deven | lemmywinks: As long as your kernel sources are in /usr/src/linux, it should be able to build you a module. |
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| 08:16.36 | lemmywinks | deven: no I haven't |
| 08:16.37 | pneuma | McCabe: one other thing is even if you have only 1 floppy you could just stick one it, then when it prompts take it out and write over it, etc. |
| 08:16.40 | rich_ | hello |
| 08:16.43 | thesuave1 | simonrvn: shoul dit be "nohup /dev/ttyS0 > data.log"? |
| 08:16.44 | deven | lemmywinks: Want to give that a shot, then? |
| 08:16.58 | lemmywinks | deven: my sources are there, and make-kpkg modules works, but I get errors while it builds |
| 08:17.19 | lemmywinks | deven: I'd love to. do you have a link? I can't exactly get into mozilla right now |
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| 08:17.33 | deven | lemmywinks: can ya use lynx? |
| 08:17.33 | pneuma | McCabe: yes the NFS mounted CD should be the same as one that is in the machine itself |
| 08:17.45 | lemmywinks | deven: yeah, I can do that |
| 08:17.57 | deven | lemmywinks: Just go to nvidia.com, pick 'download drivers'. then 'bsd and linux drivers'. then go to the top one .. 'IA32 latest driver' or thereabouts. |
| 08:18.06 | deven | lemmywinks: Then go to DOWNLOAD FILE and get the .run file. |
| 08:18.13 | McCabe | pneuma: i guess the big question is if it will install enough to boot and mount nfs again before it reboots? |
| 08:18.17 | deven | lemmywinks: do a chmod +x nvidia*.run and then run it .. and you should be golden. |
| 08:18.39 | abcnew | deven: for 2.6? |
| 08:18.47 | deven | abcnew: Yes. |
| 08:18.50 | pneuma | McCabe: you would get the base and hopefully the correct network driver. what adapter do you have? |
| 08:18.54 | deven | abcnew: It'll custom compile to your kernel type. |
| 08:19.01 | deven | abcnew: As long as the sources are in /usr/src/linux/. |
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| 08:19.22 | abcnew | deven: ic |
| 08:19.30 | pneuma | McCabe: basically if you get the adapter working initially it should work after reboot |
| 08:19.36 | McCabe | i have one of those common 3coms (is it 509, or 905 or somthing) so that shouldnt be a problem |
| 08:20.15 | deven | I have so many RealTek cards and EEPro100s it's unreal. |
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| 08:20.37 | pneuma | McCabe: the main thing is you will have to set up an nfs server for the CD |
| 08:21.32 | McCabe | pneuma: i already have that running.. i just hope i hav nfs client parts working on the box... |
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| 08:22.47 | luca__ | hey do you know any webcam coming with datasheets and want support for linux? if yes, query me |
| 08:23.22 | McCabe | im off to try, thanx pneuma and deven |
| 08:23.28 | deven | McCabe: No prob, good luck :D |
| 08:23.32 | deven | Lettuce know how it goes. |
| 08:24.16 | polok | wish me luck :D! |
| 08:24.25 | thesuave1 | nohup cat /dev/ttyS0 > quarknet.live & |
| 08:24.27 | thesuave1 | is that right? |
| 08:24.40 | deven | good luck :D |
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| 08:25.56 | thesuave1 | no one seems to know how to use it because the manpage is a POS |
| 08:27.20 | thesuave1 | wait, isn't it "nohup `cat /dev/ttyS0 > quarknet.live` &" |
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| 08:27.26 | lemmywinks | deven: the installer failed. think I'll just go back to 2.4 for now |
| 08:27.32 | lemmywinks | thanks though |
| 08:27.51 | caphuso | thesuave1: nohup cat /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 08:28.22 | thesuave1 | what if I want to send it to a particular file? |
| 08:28.33 | thesuave1 | and not the default? |
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| 08:30.26 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 08:30.37 | lazarus | that's about what it is here :( |
| 08:30.39 | lemmywinks | hmm. got my desktop back. hehe |
| 08:30.42 | thesuave1 | all I need to do is read the serial and output it to the friggin file in the backround |
| 08:30.48 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.49 | cheecheeo | how do I select multiple items in mc? |
| 08:30.59 | simonrvn | ctrl-t |
| 08:31.00 | lazarus | cheecheeo: insert |
| 08:31.15 | lazarus | cheecheeo: didn't you read the docs? |
| 08:31.33 | polok | well that was speedy |
| 08:31.46 | cheecheeo | lazarus: nope |
| 08:31.49 | polok | I couldn't even bunzip the kernel I downloaded >_< |
| 08:31.54 | simonrvn | lazarus: sounds like here |
| 08:32.01 | Zero_Kelvin | Now I know I've asked this before but: What's the command line to port forward from my PPP connected server to an internal computer? Use $EXT and $INT for where the IP numbers sit please. I've read the IP-Masq howto but it seems to be written for a redhat type install and it's made me a little unsure of the command lines. |
| 08:32.02 | polok | :| |
| 08:32.05 | lazarus | cheecheeo: then why are you asking here? |
| 08:32.11 | cheecheeo | lazarus: cool. thanks |
| 08:32.11 | thesuave1 | [sabino@localhost sabino]$ nohup cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 08:32.11 | thesuave1 | nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 08:32.18 | lazarus | simonrvn: where are you? |
| 08:32.25 | thesuave1 | [sabino@localhost sabino]$ ps -ef | grep nohup |
| 08:32.25 | thesuave1 | sabino 7627 7439 0 21:25 pts/1 00:00:00 grep nohup |
| 08:32.25 | thesuave1 | [sabino@localhost sabino]$ |
| 08:32.28 | thesuave1 | it's not working |
| 08:32.40 | simonrvn | lazarus: montreal |
| 08:32.41 | cheecheeo | lazarus: because I figured someone in here would know |
| 08:32.45 | lazarus | simonrvn: ah |
| 08:32.47 | thesuave1 | nothing is going to the file |
| 08:32.48 | Zero_Kelvin | Believe me, once someone actually tells me instead of saying RTFM which I've just done, I will record it and compare to the documentation so I get a better idea of how it works for future usage. |
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| 08:32.59 | lazarus | cheecheeo: we are not ehre to read the man pages for you |
| 08:33.14 | prologic | Can a debian setup cd be booted from a rescue disk created with mkrescue ? |
| 08:33.48 | cheecheeo | lazarus: acknowledged |
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| 08:34.37 | thesuave1 | HAHA |
| 08:34.43 | thesuave1 | ok, I need sleep |
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| 08:35.07 | thesuave1 | ok |
| 08:35.12 | Zero_Kelvin | So you's know, I'm setting this up so Overnet on my Windows box (I know, I know) stops saying it's firewalled and just works properly. And no, I'm not downloading music or movies. It's pr0n. :) |
| 08:35.22 | deven | I put the line 'http://www.backports.org/debian stable all' into my sources.list and then did apt-get install kde. All I got was 'Sorry, KDE is already the newest version'. What am I doing wrong? I want to upgrade to 3.x w/out recompilation. |
| 08:35.30 | thesuave1 | I did "minicom -C quarknet.live", then hit enter to return to the terminal, and it told me that it stopped it! |
| 08:35.33 | thesuave1 | it stopped it!!! |
| 08:35.34 | thesuave1 | why?! |
| 08:35.35 | deven | Zero_Kelvin: Well, good. I was afraid you might be wasting your time on overnet. ;) |
| 08:35.46 | thesuave1 | why the hell did it stop it?! |
| 08:35.56 | Zero_Kelvin | deven: Never. Porn is quality time. :) |
| 08:36.24 | deven | Zero_Kelvin: Indeed. |
| 08:36.29 | hanasaki | what is the package that is needed for kernel 2.6? something about loading modules? |
| 08:36.43 | thesuave1 | [1]+ Stopped minicom -C quarknet.live |
| 08:36.49 | fooz | hanasaki, the 2.6 documentation lists the requirements |
| 08:36.51 | thesuave1 | what does that mean? |
| 08:36.56 | hanasaki | thank you fooz |
| 08:37.16 | caphuso | thesuave1: did you hit ctrl-z? |
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| 08:37.28 | kysh | Anyone alive? |
| 08:37.36 | fooz | kysh, no |
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| 08:37.53 | kysh | fooz: Oh, ok. :< |
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| 08:38.07 | thesuave1 | caphuso: ctrl-z doesn't do anything |
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| 08:38.15 | thesuave1 | it's just a cursor on a blank screen when minicom runs |
| 08:38.18 | kysh | Can't be as dead as #linpeople. Dunno what happened to that channel. |
| 08:38.18 | Zero_Kelvin | kysh: Braaaaiiiiinnnsss... |
| 08:38.31 | caphuso | thesuave1: i didn't tell you to press it |
| 08:38.37 | kysh | ZK: Hmm.. |
| 08:38.46 | thesuave1 | caphuso: hmm? |
| 08:38.47 | caphuso | dasunt: won't happen |
| 08:38.55 | caphuso | thesuave1: i asked if you hit ctrl-z |
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| 08:39.03 | thesuave1 | no, I didn't hit it |
| 08:39.04 | thesuave1 | why? |
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| 08:39.17 | caphuso | thesuave1: because that would have explained that "stopped" message |
| 08:39.26 | dasunt | If I was curious about 2.4 IPSEC support under debian, where should I look? |
| 08:39.28 | thesuave1 | no, I just hit enter |
| 08:39.45 | kysh | I'm seeing a problem and was wondering if anyone else had seen it. On boot, when I try to boot a kernel I compiled recently, it just says 's' and freezes on the line below LILO: ... My older kernels work fine. |
| 08:39.47 | dasunt | Basically, what it is, how it works, and caveats. |
| 08:39.59 | kysh | I'm rather hoping someone else has seen this behaviour (and fixed it ;) |
| 08:40.26 | caphuso | kysh: compiled for the wrong CPU type? |
| 08:40.38 | smcavoy | dashunt: www.freeswan.org and if you want the current release, otherwise kernel patches and userland packages can be found in sid and arge |
| 08:40.41 | fooz_dead | kysh, i got that trying to boot openwall.. couldn't figure it out either |
| 08:40.51 | fooz_dead | ugh, don't go recommending freeswan |
| 08:40.56 | thesuave1 | caphuso: I just need something to read from the serial port |
| 08:40.59 | thesuave1 | minicom isn't working |
| 08:41.02 | thesuave1 | for this |
| 08:41.08 | kysh | No, right CPU tipe... |
| 08:41.10 | kysh | er.. type |
| 08:41.13 | kysh | speaking of typing.. :> |
| 08:41.18 | fooz_dead | dasunt, there are two choices.. (super) freeswan and backports from 2.6's ipsec |
| 08:41.21 | thesuave1 | is there a key combination I can press within the program? |
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| 08:41.42 | abcnew | how to get the right alt key on the keyboard to work under console? |
| 08:41.59 | fooz_dead | dasunt, the latter probably actually works :) and the isakmpd package will act as an IKE for it (and maybe racoon once it gets fixed) |
| 08:42.54 | lazarus | abcnew: that's alt-gr, not alt |
| 08:43.09 | z|bandito | i did ssh -X -C 192.168.2.11 ; i got logged in but i don't see any graphical environment. do i have to start a windowmanager manually or something ? |
| 08:43.13 | lazarus | abcnew: they serve differnt functions, you don't want to disable that |
| 08:43.20 | kysh | This is crazy, it's making me look bad to my roommate :> |
| 08:43.21 | dax | dasunt: You should go check out http://www.OpenSWAN.org/ |
| 08:43.27 | dasunt | What's wrong with freeswan? |
| 08:43.28 | caphuso | z|bandito: you seriously misunderstood something |
| 08:44.01 | lazarus | dasunt: apt-cache search freeswan |
| 08:44.19 | fooz_dead | dasunt, difficult to patch into the kernel, few crypto algos, poor quality tools |
| 08:44.51 | lazarus | dasunt: go with a current kernel like 2.6.1 instead |
| 08:44.55 | dasunt | fooz_dead: Are the 2.6 backport patches easy to find, or still experimental? |
| 08:45.00 | z|bandito | i was under the impression that would give me compressed x11 forwarding similar to a vnc? |
| 08:45.02 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.1 |
| 08:45.03 | dax | dasunt: Since you asked ... No x509 cert support, No NAT-T support, No AES support, No dead peer detection, No VirtualIP support, No notify support |
| 08:45.03 | Viddy | is there any program that allows reconstruction of sniffed packets to files? |
| 08:45.13 | Viddy | ethereal seems to just sniff packets |
| 08:45.16 | fooz | dasunt, i've heard that debian kernel-source-2.4.22 has it built in |
| 08:45.17 | caphuso | z|bandito: wrong impression |
| 08:45.18 | abcnew | lazarus: ? |
| 08:45.18 | dax | Viddy: dsniff |
| 08:45.28 | Viddy | thats an arp poisioner |
| 08:45.31 | fooz | dasunt, otherwise, you can find it by googling |
| 08:45.32 | lazarus | abcnew: The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.1 |
| 08:45.36 | z|bandito | can't you do something like that over ssh though? |
| 08:45.37 | fooz | dasunt, if you want to make your own kernel |
| 08:45.43 | dax | Viddy: dsniff is a suite of utilities |
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| 08:45.54 | dax | Viddy: One of them is "filesnarf" |
| 08:46.04 | fooz | dasunt, the 2.6 (and backported to 2.4.x) ipsec is BSD KAME and OpenBSD ipsec compatible, and uses all the same tools |
| 08:46.04 | dax | Viddy: You are thinking of "arpspoof" |
| 08:46.08 | dasunt | dax: Hmmm, that doesn't sound good, especially since I'm wanting to use IPSEC for remote connections. |
| 08:46.13 | fooz | dasunt, it uses all the algos that kerneli comes with |
| 08:46.15 | Viddy | oh, ok :) |
| 08:46.18 | Viddy | cool |
| 08:46.18 | fooz | it's the much better choice |
| 08:46.26 | abcnew | lazarus: so i must update? |
| 08:46.30 | dasunt | I don't want to go with 2.6.1 yet. |
| 08:46.31 | dax | dasunt: http://www.OpenSWAN.org/ |
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| 08:46.46 | dasunt | fooz: Ooh, want to try to connect to an OpenBSD box. ;) |
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| 08:47.01 | Viddy | i usually make a point of waiting a week or two before running the new kernel, incase something like 2.4.15 comes around again |
| 08:47.06 | dasunt | Looking at openswan now dax. |
| 08:47.13 | dax | fooz: the 2.6 ipsec is also supported by the FreeSWAN and OpenSWAN IKE daemon |
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| 08:47.30 | lazarus | Viddy: this is a security patch, among other things. what do you run now? |
| 08:47.33 | fooz | dax: is the reverse true yet? |
| 08:47.47 | dasunt | Running on an otherwise pretty normal 2.4 woody installation. |
| 08:47.50 | Viddy | ah |
| 08:47.51 | Viddy | :) |
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| 08:48.02 | dax | fooz: meaning?? |
| 08:48.10 | fooz | dax, can you run isakmpd on *swan |
| 08:48.10 | Viddy | 2.4.21 i think, on my main box, and 2.6.0 on my laptop |
| 08:48.18 | Viddy | both are vunerable, i konw :) |
| 08:48.22 | lazarus | Viddy: they are both vulnerable to the mm/mrename.c root vuln |
| 08:48.34 | caphuso | remap not rename |
| 08:48.37 | fooz | dasunt, ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davem/IPSEC/ has the backport.. dunno if it applies against more modern kernels |
| 08:48.40 | dasunt | Thanks guys, I'm going to do some light reading now on IPSEC. |
| 08:48.41 | lazarus | caphuso: typo |
| 08:48.43 | fooz | dasunt, for networking, 2.6 is really the way to go |
| 08:48.55 | fooz | 2.6 finally catches up with BSD :) |
| 08:48.57 | Viddy | lazarus: you have a point |
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| 08:49.02 | lazarus | caphuso: i've been typing the damn thing correctly all night in another network, heh |
| 08:49.06 | dasunt | fooz: 2.4 is doing almost all that I want, other then IPSEC. |
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| 08:49.27 | bsphere | is there a deb package for kernel 2.6 image ? |
| 08:49.28 | dax | *swan has two pieces right. The kernel piece "klips" and the IKE daemon "pluto". If you are on 2.6 you don't need klips, but pluto still is the best IKE deamon |
| 08:49.42 | fooz | dax: best how? |
| 08:49.42 | Active2 | bsphere: build one at your own ;) |
| 08:49.48 | dasunt | ipsec might not be what I want anyways, I need to do more research. |
| 08:49.49 | dax | AFAIK you can't use isakmp with klips |
| 08:49.51 | fooz | if it was the best, it'd be in OpenBSD :) |
| 08:49.58 | bsphere | Active2: and is there a package for 2.6 final source ? |
| 08:50.12 | dax | fooz: Well, specifically the OpenSWAN pluto is the best |
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| 08:50.22 | Active2 | bsphere: no you have to get the source from ftp.kernel.org of a mirror |
| 08:50.22 | fooz | if it's not ISAKMP compatible, it's useless. who are you going to interoperate with? |
| 08:50.35 | dax | Virtual IP support, NAT-T, dead peer detection |
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| 08:50.41 | fooz | isakmpd and racoon can interop with linux, *BSD, Cisco, Windows 2000+, you name it |
| 08:50.57 | fooz | they're standard, even |
| 08:51.05 | dax | pluto speaks ISAKMP |
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| 08:51.19 | fooz | and they will both do pre-shared-key and x509. racoon and windows will do kerberos (but I haven't tried those two together) |
| 08:51.34 | dax | I meant to say you can't do isakmp*d* with klips |
| 08:51.45 | fooz | ah |
| 08:51.58 | Kawfee | hi zoof |
| 08:51.59 | pfote | fooz: sounds as there has been some changes in the last year |
| 08:52.06 | fooz | I'd go with the 2.6/2.4 backport one just for the compatibility |
| 08:52.37 | dax | fooz: the RHEL3 2.4 kernel has the 2.6 ipsec backport (FWIW( |
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| 08:52.50 | Supaplex | what is that env var to set for dpkg so -l can be wider then the screen (and using less) |
| 08:52.59 | dasunt | Only 2.6->2.4 backport that I see so far is for 2.4.21 |
| 08:53.01 | dax | Fedora Core v2 will very likely ship with OpenSWAN |
| 08:53.06 | caphuso | Supaplex: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 08:53.15 | fooz | dasunt, yeah :/ it's an old patch |
| 08:53.15 | Supaplex | ty |
| 08:53.33 | fooz | dasunt, but supposedly it comes in debian kernel-source packages |
| 08:53.38 | dasunt | I might try something like slip over ssh which would probably work as well. |
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| 08:54.01 | dax | dasunt: Use OpenSWAN v1.x now on the 2.4 kernel and the OpenSWAN v2.x with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 08:54.03 | fooz | there's also the usagi patch |
| 08:54.15 | dasunt | usagi? |
| 08:54.16 | dax | dasunt: Your /etc/ipsec.conf will stay the same |
| 08:54.18 | fooz | why use openswan in 2.6? it already has an ipsec stack |
| 08:54.22 | fooz | usagi is like KAME for linux |
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| 08:55.14 | dax | fooz: Remeber, OpenSWAN has two pieces (klips and pluto). On 2.6 you still want pluto. |
| 08:55.15 | dasunt | Hmmmm. |
| 08:55.28 | dasunt | Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong thing. |
| 08:55.32 | fooz | well, maybe |
| 08:55.36 | dasunt | I have a roaming OpenBSD laptop. |
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| 08:55.56 | dax | fooz: For sure if you have road warrior clients |
| 08:55.57 | Kysh | Going to try this again.. has anyone ever seen boot fail with a single 's' printed to the console? (LILO: <cr>s<freeze>) |
| 08:55.59 | dasunt | I have a Debian Woody Server with a dynamic IP that doesn't change for days, and is accessable through dyndns.org |
| 08:56.17 | dasunt | I want a secure connection between the two machines for stuff like NFS, CUPS, etc. |
| 08:56.25 | dasunt | Is IPSEC what I want? Or? |
| 08:56.49 | dax | dasunt: yeah |
| 08:56.57 | pfote | dasunt: yep |
| 08:56.59 | fooz | dasunt, ipsec is really the right/nice way to do things, but it's spotty in linux so far |
| 08:57.04 | Nurbs | NFS will be awful probably, though :) |
| 08:57.10 | fooz | dasunt, OpenBSD was the first free OS to do ipsec. they wrote their own stack for it. |
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| 08:57.25 | fooz | dasunt, you can't get better support than OpenBSD |
| 08:57.29 | dasunt | Nurbs: How awful? |
| 08:57.29 | dax | fooz: FreeSWAN has been around longer than OpenBSD |
| 08:57.34 | fooz | dax: it has? |
| 08:57.37 | dax | fooz: Back to the the 2.0 kernel |
| 08:57.38 | dasunt | fooz: Yah! One thing OpenBSD does right. ;) |
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| 08:57.44 | fooz | hrm |
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| 08:57.55 | muaddib | has anyone ever configured ISDN on there debian box I am trying to get the Diva Pro PCI card to run but when I do an ifconfig I don't see the device but the modules loaded properly I am at a lost |
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| 08:58.18 | fooz | dasunt, that would be against the point |
| 08:58.22 | fooz | it comes with source. it's trivial to build |
| 08:58.32 | fooz | cd /usr/src/usr.bin/whateverisinsecure; make install |
| 08:58.45 | fooz | err.. after cvs updating |
| 08:58.51 | Active2 | :P |
| 08:58.52 | Nurbs | dasunt: depends on your connections. I'd certainly not think about mounting my home over NFS that way for example ;) I'm more into scp, rsync or similar with slow lines, but maybe there's some good non-alpha replicating or caching filesystem out by now :) |
| 08:59.00 | dasunt | fooz: Yah, but that requires a compiler, etc, which is a slight security problem. |
| 08:59.13 | dasunt | Nurbs: I don't do home NFS mounts yet. ;) |
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| 08:59.32 | Active2 | Nurbs: AFS ? |
| 08:59.41 | dax | Intermezzo |
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| 08:59.55 | Nurbs | Active2: dunno, haven't tried it. OpenAFS could be ok I guess... |
| 09:00.08 | dasunt | AFS is evil. |
| 09:00.11 | fooz | AFS is not for disconnected use. |
| 09:00.11 | Active2 | Nurbs: i want to test it with my kerberos |
| 09:00.17 | dasunt | Its great in principle, but evil in practice. |
| 09:00.22 | fooz | dasunt, hehe :) |
| 09:00.24 | Active2 | fooz: that's true |
| 09:00.26 | fooz | i love it. it's so cool |
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| 09:01.01 | fooz | dasunt, install the AFS client in windows |
| 09:01.09 | fooz | it's nice |
| 09:01.20 | Active2 | first breakfast |
| 09:01.26 | Nurbs | dasunt: mount AFS, run samba on that? |
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| 09:01.37 | Nurbs | dasunt: or just install the AFS client, yeah :) |
| 09:01.50 | dasunt | fooz: At this point, ext3 works fine for me, and I'm not backing up/restoring 80 gigs of files to try out AFS. |
| 09:02.05 | Zero_Kelvin | Posted a miniflood in hash-flood. Any ideas those who can see it? |
| 09:02.42 | fooz | I was running AFS.. got 30GB of stuff in it.. I may stop though.. i'm trying to build a secure linux box and AFS doesn't fit in with that |
| 09:02.57 | dasunt | How does AFS not fit in? |
| 09:02.58 | Zero_Kelvin | Anyone? Come on, all you gotta do is look and say "change this to that". :) |
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| 09:03.19 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: It might help if you told us what it was. |
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| 09:03.45 | fooz | dasunt, 500 kilobyte kernel modules.. horribly messy code that has been locked away for years and years.. |
| 09:03.53 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: I'm trying to forward the ports my Overnet client uses from the connecting server through to an internal computer. |
| 09:03.55 | dasunt | fooz: Ewww. |
| 09:03.58 | fooz | dasunt, it's very easy to crash, also |
| 09:04.13 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: Through what means? |
| 09:04.29 | dasunt | ssh, iptables, etc |
| 09:04.54 | pfote | btw, you guys talking bout file servers .. when a nfs server fails and a second one takes over und gets the ip of the failing one (which is no prob) .. how can i achieve that the clients automagically remount .. is that possible with nfs ? |
| 09:05.00 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: iptables. I've posted the template that I borrowed from someone else, but Overnet still says it's firewalled. I'll re-flood with the proper values filled in. |
| 09:05.09 | fooz | what would be really cool is if they grabbed the arla client and its kernel module, and beefed it up to support all AFS features (would take about 3 days maybe) and used that instead |
| 09:05.43 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: You need DNAT enabled. |
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| 09:06.01 | fooz | it has performance issues.. but it's nearly feature-complete. and its kernel module is very lightweight and portable |
| 09:06.10 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: In the kernel, or the modules loaded. |
| 09:06.34 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: Hmmmm. Should I expect an error from iptables? It doesn't give me one. Is there perhaps another way? |
| 09:06.52 | Zero_Kelvin | Another way to forward I mean. |
| 09:06.53 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: It probably won't error. |
| 09:07.07 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: There is always ssh tunnels. Works for TCP. 'man ssh' for details. |
| 09:07.10 | Kysh | Has anyone here successfully compiled a kernel with unstable? |
| 09:07.42 | Kysh | It occurs to me that the problem I have only has occurred on recent compilations of kernels, even from source trees that compiled working kernels before |
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| 09:08.18 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: I do have dnat in my /proc/net/ip_tables-targets . Where do I look to confirm whether or not it's loaded? |
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| 09:08.54 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: lsmod ? |
| 09:09.02 | somiaj | Kysh: you should use gcc-2.95 to compile kernels...what error are you getting when trying to compile the kernel |
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| 09:09.33 | fooz | there's no reason to use gcc 2.95 to build kernels anymore |
| 09:09.54 | fooz | all the kernel bugs have been fixed |
| 09:10.20 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: Hmmm. Is dnat a separate module? lsmod returns ipt_state, ipt_MASQUERADE, ipt_LOG, iptable_mangle, iptable_filter, dummy. |
| 09:10.24 | CasStyle | Can someone help disable "xdm" debian/testing. Heelp !!! |
| 09:10.30 | caphuso | CasStyle: apt-get remove xdm |
| 09:10.33 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: I thought it was. |
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| 09:10.51 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: Okey dokey. Will do some looking and reading... |
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| 09:11.44 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: I don't normally use modules (monolithic kernel all the way) so I'm sorry I'm not more helpful. |
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| 09:12.04 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: For some applications, xinetd can forward ports. |
| 09:12.13 | tempo | how do i set a shared folder on linux using samba ? |
| 09:12.16 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: Neither no I, but if I find it in the kernel config then I'll just try and make it kernel loaded and recompile. :) |
| 09:12.18 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: What port are you trying to forward and why? |
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| 09:12.27 | dasunt | tempo: In the config. |
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| 09:12.54 | tempo | dasunt: what config? /etc/samba/smb.conf? |
| 09:13.05 | dasunt | tempo: Yep. |
| 09:13.06 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: The TCP and UDP ports for Overnet (P2P). The program runs like shit when it's firewalled. |
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| 09:13.27 | Zero_Kelvin | dasunt: And it's not RIAA or MPAA stuff. It's porn. :) |
| 09:13.54 | RinzeWind | It's PIAA |
| 09:14.05 | Zero_Kelvin | RinzeWind: Hahaha |
| 09:14.06 | dasunt | Zero_Kelvin: Hmmm. |
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| 09:14.41 | Zero_Kelvin | RinzeWind: I wouldn't mind though if some scantily clad chicks came around though and asked "What can we do to persuade you to stop pirating our art?". :) |
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| 09:15.20 | RinzeWind | Well... I guess I would say "Pirate me! Yeah baby!" a-la Austin Powers |
| 09:15.21 | Kysh | somiaj: Not an error trying to compile, but when the kernel loads, it just prints 's' and freezes (Rather than Loading the kernel...) |
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| 09:21.38 | Zero_Kelvin | Hmmm. I tried to load /lib/iptables/libipt_DNAT.so using insmod and it said "/lib/iptables/libipt_DNAT.so: ELF file /lib/iptables/libipt_DNAT.so not a relocatable object" so I guess that's not the way to do it. Could someone point out the correct way? |
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| 09:22.34 | dax | Zero_Kelvin: You don't have to insmod anyting for DNAT |
| 09:22.58 | Maka | just check for a nat script |
| 09:23.13 | Maka | and but it in your /etc/init.d/ |
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| 09:23.20 | SARANGRBHAT | from whwre |
| 09:23.28 | dax | Just do: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING yadda yadda -j DNAT --to yadda |
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| 09:24.53 | Kysh | Ok, is it possible my kernel compilation problem is related to compiling the kernel with gcc-3.3? |
| 09:25.04 | Kysh | s/compilation/boot/g |
| 09:25.25 | Zero_Kelvin | dax: I have port forwarding rules, and they don't give me any errors when I run them, but Overnet still believes it is firewalled. |
| 09:25.35 | Zero_Kelvin | Looking at iptables --list now. |
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| 09:26.20 | caphuso | excalibur |
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| 09:28.47 | Zero_Kelvin | I have the following line (just one, all similar) in iptables --list : "ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere 192.168.0.10 tcp dpt:4661". Now I would guess this means that I'm port forwarding, but I still have this program saying it's firewalled. Damn. |
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| 09:29.23 | Kysh | Ok, can someone at least suggest how I might use gcc-2.95 as my default gcc rather than -3.3??? |
| 09:29.38 | caphuso | Kysh: depends on what you are compiling |
| 09:29.42 | Kysh | kernel |
| 09:29.51 | caphuso | Kysh: by editing the top level Makefile |
| 09:30.01 | Kysh | Grr |
| 09:30.05 | Maka | :) |
| 09:30.05 | Zero_Kelvin | There's eight of those. tcp 4661 tcp 4662 udp 9254 udp 9255, repeat. |
| 09:30.08 | Kysh | Ok, but that's not really much of an answer :> |
| 09:30.15 | caphuso | Kysh: huh? |
| 09:30.17 | simonrvn | what? |
| 09:30.19 | Maka | why not? |
| 09:30.19 | Kysh | It's a hack |
| 09:30.21 | Kysh | a kludge |
| 09:30.25 | caphuso | Kysh: bullshit |
| 09:30.31 | Maka | hack? |
| 09:30.34 | Kysh | If I want to use gcc-2.95 by default, I shouldn't have to edit makefiles |
| 09:30.34 | Arnbak | Kysh, upgrade the distribution then ? |
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| 09:30.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:30.55 | Arnbak | or downgrade or whatever |
| 09:30.56 | simonrvn | @be a config barbie |
| 09:31.01 | Kysh | If I want a system-wide fix, with two separate compiler versions installed, I should be able to do something like upgdate-alternatives |
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| 09:31.20 | caphuso | Kysh: no, you shouldn't |
| 09:31.37 | Maka | :) |
| 09:31.50 | caphuso | things would break in really interesting ways if you would do that |
| 09:32.09 | Kysh | I don't want gcc-3.3 on my system in the first place, but I have no choice |
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| 09:32.23 | simonrvn | so uninstall it FFS |
| 09:32.33 | caphuso | Kysh: that's because 99.x% of your system are compiled with it |
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| 09:33.07 | Kysh | caphuso: They're certainly not compiled against the compiler :> |
| 09:33.15 | caphuso | Kysh: *sigh* |
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| 09:33.20 | Kysh | Yeah, I agree, *sigh* |
| 09:33.30 | caphuso | Kysh: you have no idea what you are talking about, so stop it and believe those people who have a clue |
| 09:33.51 | Kysh | caphuso: I have no idea what I'm talking about :> That's a good one |
| 09:33.58 | caphuso | or do and change whatever you like, but then don't dare to come back to get help fixing your fucked system |
| 09:34.12 | Kysh | caphuso: Funny, I haven't seen you around here before.. how long have you been involved with Debian? |
| 09:34.41 | Kysh | caphuso: I'll grant you, I haven't been on the channel for three or four years due to politics, but I have popped in and out occasionally. |
| 09:35.26 | caphuso | Kysh: long enough for having the pleasure to watch the gcc2.95->gcc3.3 upgrade and the huge amount of problems around that because of the non-compatibility |
| 09:35.27 | Kysh | caphuso: But I would like to know who it is that insults me for wanting some semblance of control over my system (The reason I took up relations with Debian in the first place way back when) |
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| 09:36.22 | caphuso | Kysh: you have no choice there. the whole c++ stuff chanhed so much that you can't mix gcc 2.95 with gcc 3.3 compiled apps, and that's why you can't just change your default gcc system wide |
| 09:36.29 | pmisfit_ | ~insult caphuso |
| 09:36.34 | | My attorney has informed me to tell you to blow me! |
| 09:37.00 | pmisfit_ | heh |
| 09:37.16 | Kysh | caphuso: I do grok that, but I really get fits when I'm told I 'can't' do something, especially when I'm perpetually advised to compile the kernel with 2.95 rather than 3.3. |
| 09:37.21 | McCabe | if you have a debian minimal cd mounted (over nfs), how do you start the installation? (and why does the docs tell you how to do it form dos, but not linux? :) |
| 09:37.43 | Zero_Kelvin | Ahh, just wondering. Once I change/add a rule and it's in the iptables --list, do I need to restart anything? Like Networking or ipmasq or iptables? |
| 09:38.19 | Kysh | caphuso: I do believe I should be able to change the version of gcc I use if I want to, as it's an application-level problem. It's not Debian's problem if I can't compile things successfully because I'm using a compiler version different than my supporting libraries. That's just the way I see it. |
| 09:38.22 | jurka | Zero_Kelvin: no |
| 09:38.30 | _diego_ | McCabe: first of all, you need a kernel with driver of your netcard compiled in... |
| 09:38.42 | Kysh | But "can't" is not a word for any Unix ever. |
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| 09:38.55 | simonrvn | Kysh: cry me a river |
| 09:39.06 | McCabe | _diego_: does it need to reboot the box? I can run it from a running linux? |
| 09:39.34 | caphuso | Kysh: you can change the damn version, if you want. and i told you how. so what the hell is your fucking problem? |
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| 09:39.39 | Kysh | caphuso: Sorry if I get snippy, but I'm tired and really getting frustrated with the fact that Linux only seems to be getting worse (more fragmented and less usable) with every passing year. 1.2.13 days were the best of the lot |
| 09:39.53 | caphuso | Kysh: brag somewhere else, please |
| 09:40.05 | Kysh | caphuso: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on |
| 09:40.05 | Oryn | Zero_Kelvin: if you issue an iptables command its instant |
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| 09:40.19 | _diego_ | McCabe: on the pc do have you already installed a minimal debian, right? |
| 09:40.23 | caphuso | claims to use linux since 1.2.13 and can't edit a simple Makefile... |
| 09:40.25 | Kysh | caphuso: I see that #debian is still the warm and inviting place it's always been :> |
| 09:40.34 | Kysh | caphuso: heh |
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| 09:41.06 | Kysh | caphuso: Actually I've been using it since before 1.2.13, and my job title right now is "Build engineer", though before it was 'Sr. Systems Administrator'. None of that is relevant. |
| 09:41.11 | McCabe | _diego_: i have an old half ruined but bootable woody system running. I want to completely reinstall the box. Ive mounted the minimal boot cd over nfs being under the impression i could start the installation that way |
| 09:41.20 | caphuso | Kysh: again, brag somewhere else |
| 09:41.22 | Oryn | Zero_Kelvin: however if you want that to be perminant then you must learn the ways of iptables-save >/etc/(where ever your iptables script is) |
| 09:41.40 | Nurbs | Kysh: dpkg-divert, export CC, whatever you like. |
| 09:41.41 | McCabe | _diego_: from what i understand i need to start dbootstrap, but i cant find that file on the cd... |
| 09:41.54 | caphuso | the kernel Makefile doesn't use $CC |
| 09:41.59 | bitserf | anyone know why gnome-terminal is *so* fucking slow compared to konsole? a large apt-cache search under gnome-terminal takes 5.5 seconds, under konsole, 0.5 |
| 09:42.00 | caphuso | which is why you have to edit it |
| 09:42.11 | _diego_ | McCabe: does dpkg -l work? |
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| 09:42.18 | McCabe | _diego_: lemme see |
| 09:42.23 | caphuso | but i guess that's something a "build engineer" doesn't understand |
| 09:42.27 | Nurbs | I've replaced gcc and such by scripts which use an environment variable |
| 09:42.46 | Kysh | caphuso: Do you have anything better to do than justify #debian and Debian's reputation? |
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| 09:42.53 | Kysh | caphuso: How about a nice cup of shut the fuck up? |
| 09:42.55 | McCabe | _diego_: ah, the box needs to reboot, what do you want me to look for in the list? |
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| 09:43.30 | caphuso | simonrvn: thanks |
| 09:43.40 | _diego_ | McCabe: just want to be sure that dpkg works fine |
| 09:44.09 | Zero_Kelvin | Oryn: I don't mind if it gets set on boot or whatever. I can run the script when I start Overnet (if I ever close it) but I'd like to get it off firewalled status first. I've instagated the rules, restarted Overnet and used the eDonkey/Overnet webpage to check firewall but it everything still indicates that it's firewalled even though the rule appears to be right in my iptables --list. Is there another way to confirm that the firewall is forwarding? |
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| 09:44.22 | McCabe | _diego_: ok, itll take me a minute to get it running again.. needs some manual actions to get it booted in its current state :) |
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| 09:46.36 | polok | brb restarting |
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| 09:48.14 | simonrvn | now he's /msging me |
| 09:48.58 | zu22 | heh |
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| 09:50.13 | Ubel | what did he do? |
| 09:50.26 | McCabe | _diego_: it seems i wont get it to run at all now :/.. ill have to find a cd drive for it.. thanks anyway! |
| 09:50.37 | McCabe | _diego_: out of curiosity, what did you have in mind? |
| 09:50.57 | simonrvn | currently spewing abuse at me |
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| 09:51.24 | _diego_ | McCabe: something like this: for i in `dpkg -l`; do dpkg -i $i; done |
| 09:51.46 | _diego_ | McCabe: ok, something more elaborate, but this is the basic idea... |
| 09:52.07 | McCabe | resinstall all pkgs? |
| 09:52.16 | _diego_ | yes |
| 09:52.27 | caphuso | 10:45 [Kysh] I suggest we take this childish banter off channel. |
| 09:52.28 | caphuso | 10:45 [msg(Kysh)] uh, it's not like you'd have a choice about taking it off channel... |
| 09:52.32 | McCabe | groovy.. ok.. im off to transfer hw |
| 09:52.39 | caphuso | 10:46 [Kysh] ? 10:47 [Kysh] Oh, I see 10:47 [Kysh] Heh, eat shit and die :> |
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| 09:53.00 | caphuso | it took nearly two minutes to realize that he got devoiced :-) |
| 09:53.31 | Ubel | Eating shit doesn't cause death |
| 09:53.45 | somiaj | Ubel: though it may lead to mal nutrition |
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| 09:54.25 | Ubel | somiaj, I guess |
| 09:54.30 | somiaj | (: |
| 09:54.30 | Phyrexianer | hallo leute |
| 09:54.36 | Phyrexianer | Jemand hier ? |
| 09:54.42 | Phyrexianer | duetsches |
| 09:54.44 | Phyrexianer | ;-) |
| 09:54.51 | caphuso | Phyrexianer: /join #debian.de |
| 09:54.58 | Phyrexianer | thx |
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| 09:57.29 | Zero_Kelvin | Woah. |
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| 09:58.04 | simonrvn | it's called a netsplit then netjoin or netheal |
| 09:58.18 | simonrvn | and the rest of this is called a mess ;P |
| 09:58.28 | Zero_Kelvin | simonrvn: I thought a netsplit was when a shitload of people just left chan. |
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| 09:58.44 | simonrvn | yes that happened. but then it re-joined again |
| 09:59.01 | simonrvn | that stuff above was the servers syncing ban lists |
| 09:59.18 | Zero_Kelvin | Don't ya hate it when the best results in google are in a foreign language. :/ |
| 09:59.37 | simonrvn | you can always get a translation :) |
| 09:59.44 | JoePenguin | back in the day you could "ride a netsplit" to gain chanop status |
| 10:00.02 | sloopy_ | joe: surf the wild surf :'D |
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| 10:00.06 | simonrvn | ...and that has since been fixed |
| 10:01.17 | somiaj | a good think to with all the script kiddies running around . . . |
| 10:01.27 | somiaj | s/think/thing/ |
| 10:01.47 | trueno | leave |
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| 10:03.12 | Zero_Kelvin | goddamn. Tried "iptables - A INPUT - p TCP -- dport 4662 - J ACCEPT". Shows up in iptables --list. Still firewalled. |
| 10:03.20 | xerophyte | should i use tripwire or AIDE? |
| 10:03.39 | Zero_Kelvin | Well, not exactly like that but those parameters and settings. |
| 10:04.13 | jurka | Zero_Kelvin: iptables rules are applied in the order they are set, do you have any other global deny rules? |
| 10:04.39 | zu22 | JoePenguin: ya warbot.irc etc.. hehe |
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| 10:06.22 | HuBBa | does anyone know why i get a message statin the soundsystem is muted in the shell when starting quake3 demo , the sound is there in the menu, but once i launch a game its gone, allso when i return to the menu. |
| 10:06.25 | Zero_Kelvin | jurka: Hehe, look in flood. First few lines of iptables --list |
| 10:06.27 | Zero_Kelvin | jurka: I'll repost when you go in. |
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| 10:15.34 | KuroiShi | alright, I'm trying to install debian m68k on a freaking Powerbook170. |
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| 10:16.29 | KuroiShi | anyone know if there is a way to put data on a floppy and transfer it to my linux machine? |
| 10:16.40 | KuroiShi | rather from my linux machine to the mac |
| 10:17.10 | simonrvn | xerophyte: both. have tripwire monitor only aide's db files. let aide do most of the dirty work |
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| 10:18.21 | sleeper | how do i get g++? |
| 10:18.24 | pluto92 | Hi! |
| 10:18.31 | simonrvn | install it |
| 10:18.34 | sleeper | how? |
| 10:18.48 | sleeper | what do i have to apt? |
| 10:18.50 | sleeper | apt-get |
| 10:18.51 | yahya | what do I do if my video card makes xwindows stuffed up os it is unreadable?> |
| 10:18.52 | sleeper | install |
| 10:18.54 | sleeper | ? |
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| 10:19.28 | sleeper | what do i have to apt-get install g++ ? |
| 10:19.31 | simonrvn | sleeper: sec |
| 10:19.57 | pluto92 | Is there a way to copy a 4.6GB HD into a 10GB HD? I would like to change the HDD without having to altere/config anything... |
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| 10:20.24 | simonrvn | sleeper: g++ |
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| 10:20.40 | HuBBa | anyone knows of a channel to post question regarding games in x ? |
| 10:21.10 | FrankTheTank | HuBBa, which game? |
| 10:21.14 | FrankTheTank | tuxracer? |
| 10:21.17 | FrankTheTank | tuxpuck? |
| 10:21.20 | polok | 2.6 I think |
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| 10:21.41 | xerophyte | simonrvn for example if i wanna install AIDE on remote box web server i need to upload the conf and database to remote server am i right |
| 10:21.44 | HuBBa | q3demo now, but i have a few issues with others too (ut2003, armyops.....) |
| 10:21.59 | FrankTheTank | oh, REAL games |
| 10:22.04 | HuBBa | yup |
| 10:22.19 | FrankTheTank | too bad loki wasnt still around |
| 10:22.40 | muaddib | I am running debian sparc unstable version and I am trying to compile kernel 2.4.23 but when I run make menuconfig it freezes at parsing................... and nothing happens I mean no menu appears. THe only thing I can do is press ctrl C and exit |
| 10:22.40 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:22.40 | muaddib | any ideas |
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| 10:22.57 | Zero_Kelvin | Hmmm, just looking through the iptables man after talking to jurka, and I was wondering: Can I remove the problematic rules and then just use iptables-save to store the new setup for permanent use? |
| 10:23.04 | laszlo | anyone have a favorite cvs client |
| 10:23.08 | laszlo | GUI |
| 10:23.17 | simonrvn | xerophyte: uh why would need to do that? |
| 10:23.18 | laszlo | not command line. |
| 10:23.42 | jurka | Zero_Kelvin: iptables -D |
| 10:23.49 | xerophyte | simonrvn i read somewhre aide does not make good reports |
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| 10:24.26 | Zero_Kelvin | jurka: Yeah saw that. I was thinking, if I just remove the DROP all anywhere anywhere rules, then that might fix the problem. What do you think? |
| 10:24.28 | tcS | lo everyone |
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| 10:24.41 | simonrvn | xerophyte: they're as good as you make them |
| 10:25.05 | HuBBa | noone knows of a chan on this network handling questions regarding commercial games ? |
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| 10:25.10 | jurka | Zero_Kelvin: sounds like a good plan you just need to find the correct place to write the output of iptables-ave |
| 10:25.33 | Zero_Kelvin | jurka: I could add them back after, and if I understand what you said in flood, they will get stuck on the bottom of the iptables rules and will be working but won't interfer with my forwarding then. |
| 10:25.38 | xerophyte | simonrvn have you ever compiled the tripwire from the source i dont see the confiure script in there |
| 10:26.18 | simonrvn | HuBBa: this is OSS/FS network. not bloody likely |
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| 10:26.18 | simonrvn | xerophyte: just install it from debian |
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| 10:26.25 | HuBBa | sorry, i wasnt aware, i just ended up here cuz they have the best supoort for debian 8) |
| 10:26.40 | jurka | Zero_Kelvin: the global drop rule we're talking about is important and you really want to add it back in or else your firewall is not so useful. |
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| 10:26.58 | Zero_Kelvin | jurka: Even if I don't save them, I can add them into my little script to run when I reboot the server. "forwarding stuff... remove drop... add drop..." :) |
| 10:27.04 | xerophyte | simonrvn thats not debian box |
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| 10:27.44 | tcS | hi, this might not be the right channel, i am trying to run pppoe within a vmware guest running on a windows 2000 host, e.g. win2k->guest->internet, is this possible at all? or where can i find help? |
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| 10:28.22 | deven | Sorry, I can't really help ya there. I don't use 2000. I'm not sure what channel you'd want to try; I'd look for a Win2k networking support forum |
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| 10:28.33 | Zero_Kelvin | tcS: You're trying to connect Win2k to the internet over PPPoE through a virtual server running on the Win2K box? |
| 10:28.38 | luca__ | hey will win98 installation overwrite any existing non fat partition? |
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| 10:28.53 | deven | luca__: No. Just FAT. |
| 10:29.01 | Zero_Kelvin | tcS: You're a sick boy. :) |
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| 10:29.02 | HuBBa | luca_ not if u dont ude f-disk |
| 10:29.04 | deven | luca__: But it WILL erase LILO, you'll need to reinstall it. |
| 10:29.15 | tcS | Zero_Kelvin: yes, vmware is running debian and debian is running pppoe over a bridged nic |
| 10:29.18 | deven | or Grub. Depending which you use. |
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| 10:29.32 | nocturn | Hi all, I saw the topic (2 |
| 10:29.37 | simonrvn | xerophyte: you might have to run autoconf or something. you might well just build it locally, then upload a tarball to the server, and unpack everything into place there |
| 10:29.44 | nocturn | .6 not booting, anyone know why? |
| 10:29.52 | luca__ | deven, ok..thx |
| 10:29.54 | systems | okay, yesterday i downloaded some debs from a blackdown mirror site, i did the download manually i didnt wonna add the link into the apt sources etc etc .... now at first i didnt have the jse2-common package on which the packages i downloaded depended , the package still partially installed and i have to use dpkg -r on them , which i find annoyin, why didn't dpkg rollback! when it discovered the missing dependency |
| 10:29.56 | kreg | i installed jabber-msn, however i don't see it anywhere in the debian menu, and ja <tab> does not show anything called jabber. anyone know how to run the program? |
| 10:29.58 | meu | hi i have just installed stable-woody then editted my sources.list to unstable when i try to install kde 3.1.4 i get too many dependentcies errors |
| 10:30.03 | tcS | Zero_Kelvin: okay, i'll try to find some vmware related channel, thx |
| 10:30.11 | rahul | woooo |
| 10:30.14 | xerophyte | simonrvn thx |
| 10:30.24 | rahul | jy 0=;\'p,n |
| 10:30.41 | Zero_Kelvin | tcS: Try it, it may work although I couldn't say for certain. |
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| 10:31.18 | simonrvn | rahul: you drunk again? or just typing randomly? |
| 10:31.19 | kreg | all i seem to have is jabberd, why do i need a daemon to chat? |
| 10:31.34 | rahul | tjosm cjocj ;ole !!!!!!!!!!11 |
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| 10:31.44 | kreg | i'm trying to use jabber because it seems gaim does not work in sarge |
| 10:31.45 | nocturn | Sorry, just noticed the ramdisk remark, trying... |
| 10:31.55 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.01 | rahul | :.444 |
| 10:32.40 | simonrvn | rahul: wha? |
| 10:32.44 | rahul | ! |
| 10:32.53 | kreg | anyone use jabber? |
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| 10:32.54 | rahul | I lovce oyyouu |
| 10:33.13 | rahul | jo hrlfic |
| 10:33.17 | nocturn | The ramdisk thing didn't help (2.6 won't boot) |
| 10:33.28 | systems | meu, i am not sure, maybe you need to do apt-get upgrade fist or so |
| 10:33.50 | systems | it makes sense that you would upgrade the whole distro to unstable first |
| 10:34.04 | meu | systems: of course i did it also i made dist-upgrade to |
| 10:34.25 | systems | :) |
| 10:34.31 | rahul | !! |
| 10:34.32 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 10:34.41 | rahul | uesttotg haree |
| 10:34.41 | systems | it still didnt work ! |
| 10:34.52 | meu | systems: do u have any other idea?? |
| 10:34.52 | simonrvn | rahul: hush you |
| 10:34.54 | rahul | s0co0ool d |
| 10:35.02 | systems | not really |
| 10:35.14 | ToreSB | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.20 | rahul | o ggiyt'' |
| 10:35.26 | systems | google ... but eeehh, if you wanted that you would already done it |
| 10:35.26 | ToreSB | ...making*? |
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| 10:35.40 | rahul | @penixstrike ToreSB |
| 10:35.44 | ravenbird | Stop using this. |
| 10:35.49 | rahul | ridk |
| 10:35.52 | rahul | fiuck |
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| 10:36.33 | tcS | bye folks |
| 10:36.43 | ToreSB | rahul is drunk, intoxicated, or is the Micoserf that made Win9x memory management |
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| 10:38.08 | ToreSB | In both cases he should be kicked :P |
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| 10:38.46 | jetx | hey wtf is devpts |
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| 10:39.52 | greenlet | Hello. When starting XFree86 (4.2) it exits with error (EE) No devices detected. What devices aren't detected and why not? I have all the device sections needed. |
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| 10:41.06 | fooz | rahul, crackhead |
| 10:41.17 | cornflake | does anyone know when the next stable release of debian will have the 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:41.22 | ToreSB | Know what I really hate at this hour? And at 4 previous hours too? |
| 10:41.32 | fooz | ToreSB, #debian? |
| 10:41.40 | nocturn | I cranked the ramdisk size up further, it boots! |
| 10:41.44 | ToreSB | Redecorating neighbours with pressure drills... |
| 10:41.45 | cornflake | lol |
| 10:42.27 | Active2 | :P |
| 10:42.32 | ToreSB | *TOKKATOKKATOKKATOKKABRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTOKKATOKKATOKKA*I WANT TO DIE |
| 10:43.15 | kreg | does gaim work for anyone else? |
| 10:43.17 | kreg | in sarge |
| 10:43.28 | petemc | ~karma ToreSB |
| 10:43.29 | | toresb has karma of -1 |
| 10:43.31 | heldD | hi all.. i have got a question.. i have got a binary package, which I can't uninstall... I can't even install or upgrade other packages |
| 10:43.34 | heldD | gaim works fine |
| 10:43.40 | nocturn | How do I load cpufreq (for portable) on k 2.6? |
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| 10:43.58 | petemc | nocturn: have you looked at powernowd? |
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| 10:44.04 | kreg | heldD: mine segfaults at start. from gaim -d, here is my error. perl: Someone forgot to handle event_error in the perl binding |
| 10:44.18 | kreg | heldD: any ideas what to do? |
| 10:44.30 | heldD | stable/unstable? |
| 10:44.37 | kreg | sarge |
| 10:44.37 | heldD | up/downgrade it.... |
| 10:44.38 | cornflake | heldD: how do i get apt-get to get me the latest stuff? |
| 10:44.39 | kreg | testing |
| 10:44.44 | heldD | if that doesn't work, use the source |
| 10:44.52 | ToreSB | Gah - #debian is but a huge, realtime Slashdot! (5, Funny) |
| 10:44.52 | jetx | so why do i want unix98 pty (and wtf is it) |
| 10:44.52 | heldD | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:45.04 | nocturn | petemc, I tried cpudyn, bit it says frequency control is disabled |
| 10:45.05 | kreg | heldD: sarge is upto date on this box |
| 10:45.16 | cornflake | heldD: thanx |
| 10:45.19 | kreg | i'm not sure how to use the source with apt |
| 10:45.34 | jetx | !dselect |
| 10:45.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful GUI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about gnome-apt and aptitude. |
| 10:45.39 | kreg | actually, i didn't know apt could use source |
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| 10:46.17 | deven | Hello, I am having trouble installing KDE3.x onto Woody/Stable. I am using a backport mirror in my sources.list, but when I try to do apt-get update, then apt-get install kdei it just says KDE is the newest version and refuses to. What am I missing here? |
| 10:46.25 | kreg | do i really have to use deselect, or can apt use the source for me? |
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| 10:46.53 | cornflake | !gnome-apt] |
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| 10:46.56 | cornflake | !gnome-apt |
| 10:46.57 | dpkg | Gnome-apt is a graphical package management program for Debian. It provides the same features as the apt-get command line utility with a GUI front-end based on Gnome., or the most underrated Debian package management tool in history according to Netsnipe. So use it! |
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| 10:47.35 | psycose | hi |
| 10:47.51 | ToreSB | -!- SuSE [linuxrocks@lederhosen.de] has joined #novell |
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| 10:48.11 | psycose | well i would like to convert a 38Gb (without backup) fat32 partition to ext3 any tips ? |
| 10:48.27 | petemc | psycose: back it up |
| 10:48.52 | petemc | and im not aware of anything that can convertfat -> ext3 dynamically |
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| 10:49.28 | nocturn | psycose, I do not think that is possible... |
| 10:49.31 | Mr_butler | hi |
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| 10:50.07 | psycose | petemc: thanks , the thing is i can't backup ...(no enough free space) ... |
| 10:50.18 | psycose | thanks nocturn |
| 10:50.20 | deven | Hey, I am having trouble installing a backport of KDE 3.x onto Woody/Stable. No one in #debian-kde is available (all are idle) and the FAQ is down. Can anyone help me, please? :( |
| 10:50.31 | petemc | psycose: i hear ya barkin big dog, but theres not much you can do |
| 10:51.08 | kreg | dselect is not a clear to use tool |
| 10:51.12 | cornflake | how do i recompile the kernel? |
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| 10:51.34 | Zero_Kelvin | Damn. Does anyone know where abouts I would go about inserting rules into ipmasq so that it loads my forwarding rules _before_ the DROP rules? I can barely make heads nor tails of these freaking scripts. :/ |
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| 10:51.46 | kreg | heldD: are you sure dselect has an option to install gaim from source? |
| 10:52.05 | cornflake | kreg: apt-get does |
| 10:52.06 | caphuso | kreg: it hasn't |
| 10:52.21 | racker | Hello. The X server says it can't find 'fixed' font even though I have xfonts-base and xserver-common installed. In what package can I find this fixed font? |
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| 10:52.58 | kreg | cornflake: i figured it might. i did not know that you could install a pakage from source with apt. i think i need to install gaim from soruce. can you show me how with apt? |
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| 10:53.34 | psycose | petemc: i don't undestand "ya barkin big dog", but i will try ;-) |
| 10:53.46 | cornflake | kreg: type man apt-get |
| 10:53.57 | cornflake | kreg: the man page says it all |
| 10:54.13 | kreg | cornflake: well i already of course did that, but i'm missing a syntax |
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| 10:55.15 | deven_ | Does anyone know how to install KDE 3.x onto Woody/Stable without recompiling? :o |
| 10:55.30 | cornflake | kreg: try apt-get source program |
| 10:55.46 | racker | I already have xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-base, what more packages would I need to install to make XFree86 NOT tell me it can't find 'fixed' font? |
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| 10:55.58 | kreg | cornflake: nevermind, it's a typo. i shouldn't work at 3am. i'm sorry, thanks |
| 10:56.09 | cornflake | lol |
| 10:56.20 | psycose | petemc: well sound like "Acronis Partition Expert 2003" can do fat32=>ext3 |
| 10:56.42 | petemc | psycose: good shit, id still recommend a back up |
| 10:56.43 | simonrvn | racker: reinstall xfonts-base |
| 10:57.32 | polok | psycose: I still say backup too :) |
| 10:57.45 | racker | simonrvn: nope. didn't do it. and the font-paths seem to be correct to. |
| 10:57.59 | simonrvn | @fixed font |
| 10:58.00 | ravenbird | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 10:58.49 | psycose | polok well sure... it is the right way but i can't purchase another hardware... |
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| 10:59.05 | psycose | petemc: thanks |
| 10:59.23 | polok | psycose: if all doesn't go swimmingly then you only have yourself to blame :) |
| 10:59.26 | Mr_butler | Hey I just came across the microsoft site.It seems bill gates is getting desperate. They are giving evaluation version of windows 2003 server free. :) Check this out. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp |
| 10:59.42 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 11:00.03 | simonrvn | s,/facts/,/lies/, |
| 11:00.04 | racker | simonrvn: there are plenty of fixed fonts in the font.alias from xfonts-base |
| 11:00.26 | fooz | they've always given out win2k3 evals free |
| 11:00.28 | simonrvn | racker: i just reinstalled it, and it worked. try the other factoid |
| 11:00.34 | simonrvn | @fontfix |
| 11:00.35 | ravenbird | from memory, fontfix is that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
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| 11:00.50 | psycose | polok: well thanks ;-) |
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| 11:01.27 | polok | psycose: no problem :) |
| 11:02.02 | simonrvn | fooz: good morning/evening |
| 11:02.37 | racker | simonrvn: I've already verified that there are fixed fonts in the misc font directory and the fontpaths are correct. |
| 11:03.03 | racker | simonrvn: and I don't use a font server. |
| 11:03.10 | simonrvn | racker: you using a *dm of some sort, or a font server? |
| 11:03.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:04.05 | nocturn | Does the debian 2.6 image have cpufreq? I find some of its modules, yet it doesn't seem to work |
| 11:04.15 | fooz | nocturn, what is your cpu? |
| 11:04.28 | racker | nocturn: debian 2.6? linux 2.6? |
| 11:04.44 | racker | nocturn: debian < 3.0 runs a 2.2 kernel, I think. |
| 11:04.49 | simonrvn | racker: try --purge, then install |
| 11:04.49 | nocturn | fooz, Intel mobile P II |
| 11:05.03 | fooz | nocturn, those don't do cpufreq |
| 11:05.05 | fooz | afaik |
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| 11:05.12 | nocturn | racker, debian unstable (installed from knoppix) with kernel 2.6 |
| 11:05.23 | fooz | the P3 Cumine in my laptop doesn't |
| 11:05.38 | Cire | hi bob2, could you please give me the channel for "gift" again? |
| 11:05.41 | racker | simonrvn: yeah, the purge did the trick. funny.. :/ |
| 11:05.53 | nocturn | fooz, yes it does, it is in the bios, and works under mandrake |
| 11:06.10 | simonrvn | racker: shit happens =;) |
| 11:06.13 | fooz | did you load the modules? |
| 11:06.39 | simonrvn | Cire: #gift |
| 11:06.55 | nocturn | fooz, it tried to load the ones I found in /lib..., which ones should be present? |
| 11:07.01 | Cire | hm, yesterday it was another channel, but I'll have a look at this |
| 11:07.11 | fooz | nocturn, the one for your CPU type |
| 11:07.13 | Cire | works ;) |
| 11:07.22 | fooz | i have no hardware that cpufreq works on, so I don't know |
| 11:07.26 | simonrvn | good guess (educated guess) |
| 11:07.27 | fooz | I use ACPI's processor throttling |
| 11:07.51 | nocturn | fooz, how do I set that ? (ACPI) |
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| 11:08.44 | fooz | put ACPI in your kernel |
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| 11:09.56 | nocturn | fooz, ACPI is working, I have loaded all availiable modules, but no throtteling.. |
| 11:10.02 | Cire | I want to run giftd on startup, so that files are loaded even if no user is logged in. How can I do that? (is the process assigned to "root" when started on boot time?) |
| 11:10.16 | fooz | nocturn, check /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling |
| 11:10.23 | simonrvn | Cire: yes, it is. and no, not a good idea |
| 11:10.44 | Cire | so, it is not a good idea to start giftd on startup? |
| 11:10.53 | simonrvn | that's what i said :) |
| 11:10.53 | nocturn | fooz, <not supported> :-( |
| 11:10.53 | fooz | not a good idea to start it as root |
| 11:10.57 | Cire | why? |
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| 11:11.30 | simonrvn | because it's a p2p app. you don't want one of those running as root.. |
| 11:11.41 | Cire | hmm, that's right... |
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| 11:12.26 | fooz | my laptop battery lasts about forever |
| 11:12.30 | Cire | so it is not possible to start it on boot-time without having the risk to give it root rights, right? ;) |
| 11:13.05 | fooz | I just wish ACPI could suspend my laptop |
| 11:13.25 | nocturn | fooz, that's why the CPU slowing is important for me, I get about 2-3 hours without it |
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| 11:13.35 | fooz | 2-3 hours is a long time |
| 11:13.47 | fooz | that's how much I get |
| 11:14.17 | nocturn | fooz, it is, but the battery is still brand new (so it will decline along the way)... |
| 11:14.30 | Cire | what again was the command to make a program run, even when it's shell was closed? |
| 11:14.33 | fooz | what brand of laptop? |
| 11:14.48 | fooz | Cire, nohup |
| 11:14.51 | nocturn | fooz, Dell Lattitude CPi |
| 11:15.05 | fooz | CPi batteries are very tough |
| 11:15.15 | Cire | thanks |
| 11:15.26 | fooz | i have a thinkpad 600x.. they eat batteries |
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| 11:16.17 | nocturn | fooz, I've heard that they do, A portable is real handy, but battery life is still a problem (I often use it till drained) |
| 11:16.18 | fooz | well, if mandrake does what you need, go ask them or search google or install it instead |
| 11:16.30 | fooz | that's all I can say |
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| 11:16.40 | simonrvn | they probably patched their kernels for that |
| 11:16.40 | fooz | nocturn, that's bad for the health of your battery |
| 11:16.56 | nocturn | fooz, I guess I will... I kicked it becaise I like Debian and Gentoo's social stance better |
| 11:17.00 | fooz | nocturn, you should try not to drawin it each time |
| 11:17.22 | fooz | nocturn, also don't leave it on the charger more than an hour (rather unplug it and let it drain down to 50% and plug it back in) |
| 11:17.36 | simonrvn | fooz: /nick elmer_fudd :P |
| 11:17.38 | fooz | nocturn, well, try googling or read the docs on cpufreq first maybe |
| 11:17.41 | nocturn | fooz, I don't drain it every time, but I use it a lot and often, it goes out when I'm somewhere else (so AC) |
| 11:18.09 | nocturn | fooz, thanks for your help |
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| 11:18.23 | fooz | like I said, I don't have any cpufreq supported hardware.. just my p3 cumine :/ |
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| 11:19.09 | simonrvn | fooz: g'night |
| 11:19.19 | fooz | simonrvn, heh the batteries for those are $200 |
| 11:19.21 | fooz | screw that |
| 11:19.28 | simonrvn | ah |
| 11:19.44 | fooz | i switched to my powerbook g3 for a while.. thinking I'd get a battery.. |
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| 11:19.59 | fooz | then I saw how much more they cost than a thinkpad 600x battery (2-2.5x more) |
| 11:20.06 | fooz | and the powerbook was slow as hell anyway |
| 11:20.12 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 11:20.28 | pro | with the command rename how can i get rid of "(" ")" and " " 's ? |
| 11:20.30 | fooz | and had a lousy keyboard and trackpad |
| 11:20.32 | fooz | :) |
| 11:20.44 | fooz | oh well |
| 11:20.50 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 11:21.39 | pro | never mind, i figured it out |
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| 11:22.20 | strerror_ | anyone got an idea of what might be causing any kernel i make with 2.6 to get to uncompressing kernel and then just reboot? i am having this problem across 3 different architectures. i DID get a 2.6 up and running on them a while ago and now i have changed something in my configuration but i can't work out what that is causing this problem |
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| 11:22.42 | ZeroK | Damn it. I've got the forward policies on the four ports first, before the DROP's and it's still firewalled. |
| 11:23.05 | ZeroK | Why the hell isn't this forwarding? |
| 11:24.23 | ZeroK | Does anyone else here run a P2P program behind a firewall without the program itself being firewalled? |
| 11:25.10 | baz | ZeroK: yes, giftd works fine here |
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| 11:25.25 | baz | ZeroK: but my firewall only blocks inbound connections |
| 11:25.28 | ZeroK | Right. How did you forward the ports that program uses? |
| 11:25.51 | ZeroK | baz: I need the P2P programs inbound open. |
| 11:26.10 | baz | ZeroK: you need to fix your firewall then :) |
| 11:28.09 | ZeroK | baz: I'm trying to do that now. I've set the rules, can see the forwarding is before the dropping, I even set the default policies to ACCEPT (yes I know) but it still isn't freaking working. The only thing I can think of now is that I've got to change the external device from ppp0 (inet) to eth0 (inet). The eth0 connects to my adsl modem and the modem is bridging to my eth0. |
| 11:28.24 | Piru | strerror_, guess why I keep .config of each kernel I build? :) |
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| 11:29.09 | strerror_ | Piru: ya i had a stupid situation where i was doing this on so many systems that i assumed that i had a working cp kept on one of them so i just deleted it off the one i was working on ... ofcourse ni did that for each system |
| 11:29.40 | cyberyo | anyone has probleme with gpilotd |
| 11:29.48 | cyberyo | when i try to sync --> segfault |
| 11:30.04 | cyberyo | all is ok with kpilot and jpilot but i need gpilot for evolution software |
| 11:30.12 | simonrvn | i don't use it, sorry |
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| 11:30.26 | cyberyo | thks |
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| 11:32.33 | Vicious | ZeroK: i know i maybe wrong, as the last time i touched iptables was over 6 months ago, but have you checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 11:32.36 | simonrvn | somone else does certainly |
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| 11:34.02 | Piru | strerror_, 2.6 kernel has nice option that it can save the .config inside the image. enabled that? (very useful option btw) |
| 11:34.05 | ZeroK | Vicious: If it wasn't on, I wouldn't be talking to you now. I'm on the box inside the network that is running my P2P program. I'm mucking with my ipmasq and iptables via ssh. |
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| 11:34.20 | simonrvn | @tell tripled about root |
| 11:34.30 | Vicious | ah |
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| 11:35.56 | strerror_ | piru: yes i have going back to an older kernel atm hoping it will work |
| 11:36.20 | Vicious | ZeroK: i'm sure #iptables would be able to help, although they're all sleeping now, me thinks |
| 11:37.06 | ZeroK | INET -202.9.x.x-> ADSL modem -bridge-eth0(192.168.1.1)-> linux box -LAN-eth1(192.168.0.1)-> Overnet box(192.168.0.10). I'm forwarding from the WAN ip (202.9) to the overnet box (192.168.0.10). Is this right? |
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| 11:39.13 | ZeroK | Or should I be forwarding from the eth0 that is connected to the modem, to the internal box? |
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| 11:41.49 | lagCisco | how can i check what package contains a particular file? |
| 11:42.03 | intero | lagCisco: dpkg -S <file> |
| 11:42.22 | lagCisco | thanks |
| 11:42.27 | intero | no |
| 11:42.33 | intero | s/no/np/ |
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| 11:49.13 | lagCisco | im trying to get nvidia glx going on my system by following the instructions at: http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/ but stops on failure when it reaches: ld -r -o NVdriver Module-linux Module-nvkernel and does depmod, the error shown is: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-k7/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver |
| 11:49.46 | steve123 | hello, i'm trying to boot on a floppy disk but i always get the message "boot failed". My rescue floppy disk seems to be ok and i don't know what could be the problem. My box is an old intel 486 DX-4 100 processor and i have 16MBytes of RAM. |
| 11:50.02 | steve123 | do you know what could be my problem ? |
| 11:51.07 | CueballUK | Anyone know where the i2c-source get's put? |
| 11:52.42 | caphuso | CueballUK: /usr/src/ |
| 11:53.11 | CueballUK | Ah oh yea |
| 11:53.50 | CueballUK | Ta caphuso |
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| 12:00.29 | bsphere | im looking for good voip programs which can connect with windows machines too, is there anything ? |
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| 12:16.37 | GuruMuhk | X troubles me... I think it is the mouse that isn't configured correctly... which device is equivalent to COM1? |
| 12:16.44 | IV0 | hi |
| 12:16.48 | IV0 | i have a problem |
| 12:17.01 | IV0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.07 | IV0 | i cant play sounds on any other apps |
| 12:17.18 | IV0 | xmms, games, ect. |
| 12:17.21 | IV0 | i get sound errors |
| 12:17.23 | IV0 | help! |
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| 12:17.57 | RHFL | ttyS0 |
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| 12:18.37 | RHFL | /dev/ttyS0 = com1 |
| 12:19.13 | GuruMuhk | RHFL: thank you :-) i've tried that one, but X fails when adding the mouse, even with ttyS0... it says "fatal server error: caught signal 11" |
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| 12:21.05 | RHFL | GuruMuhk: maybe its something motre than the mouse |
| 12:22.08 | GuruMuhk | RHFL: the message before the crash is : (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
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| 12:22.35 | GuruMuhk | RHFL: Wha could I possibly have done wrong? |
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| 12:23.15 | bedboi | hi there |
| 12:23.19 | lagCisco | anyone know of a good packet capturing tool thatll work in the console? |
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| 12:23.29 | lagCisco | like iptraf |
| 12:23.36 | Zap-W | iptraf |
| 12:23.51 | simonrvn | iptraf r00lz |
| 12:24.08 | Zap-W | rules what |
| 12:24.16 | simonrvn | z's |
| 12:24.17 | sphere | hrm, I got JAVA VM from java.sun.com and symlinked the javalib to the mozilla plugins dir, but now mozilla doesn't function anymore (starts but doesn't appear). It doesn't appear in ps aux either. Any ideas? |
| 12:24.29 | bedboi | i run debian sid with xfree 4.3 unoffcial packages. this is my problem: "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb (--unpack):" |
| 12:24.44 | bedboi | "trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h', which is also in package xlibs-dev" |
| 12:25.16 | simonrvn | --force-overwrite that package, and file bug against it |
| 12:25.33 | Shay | 'morning everybody |
| 12:25.40 | simonrvn | i.e., dpkg -i --force-overwrite foo |
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| 12:25.55 | bedboi | simonrvn: ok... |
| 12:25.57 | bedboi | thnx |
| 12:25.59 | bedboi | trying |
| 12:26.12 | RHFL | GuruMuhk, dunno.. |
| 12:26.28 | GuruMuhk | RHFL: ok, thanks anyway :-) |
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| 12:26.41 | cyberyo | qui est en testing ? |
| 12:26.41 | caphuso | simonrvn: you do realize that overfiend is going to kill him? |
| 12:26.58 | Shay | cyberyo, #debian.fr |
| 12:26.59 | simonrvn | caphuso: *shrug* |
| 12:27.14 | RHFL | np |
| 12:27.14 | RHFL | :) |
| 12:27.24 | baz | lol, overfiend? |
| 12:27.31 | cyberyo | Shay: yes i know sorry, i click on the bad window :) |
| 12:27.34 | baz | there's an insecure nick |
| 12:27.39 | caphuso | !+overfiend |
| 12:27.39 | dpkg | Do not bother he who maintains X, as he /uses/ the really nasty flame throwers.. (And you don't want to know where he can shove them if you /really/ piss him off), or he who killed kenny |
| 12:27.41 | Shay | cyberyo, :) |
| 12:27.48 | cyberyo | Shay: hehe :) |
| 12:27.56 | baz | yup, definitely an insecure man |
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| 12:28.09 | simonrvn | don't tell him that ;) |
| 12:28.11 | caphuso | baz: shut up |
| 12:28.45 | baz | flamethrowers, eh? |
| 12:28.47 | baz | i love irc |
| 12:28.47 | simonrvn | baz: don't push your luck :) |
| 12:29.27 | caphuso | baz: you can start mocking his nick after you've done an excellent job of maintaining the whole xfree86 packages of debian alone for a couple of years |
| 12:29.42 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:29.51 | baz | bites tongue |
| 12:29.57 | baz | 4.3 would be nice |
| 12:30.10 | caphuso | baz: until then all you are doing is just making you look like a small boy with no knowledge and a far too big mouth |
| 12:30.14 | simonrvn | was supposed to be in sid soon. something happened.. |
| 12:30.26 | zu22 | baz: he has more clue than u ever will |
| 12:30.31 | zu22 | ~lart baz |
| 12:30.38 | caphuso | it would have been in sid long time ago if upstream wasn't clueless |
| 12:30.42 | baz | caphuso: perhaps I should rename myself BigScaryManWithGuns so you'll respect me more |
| 12:30.46 | simonrvn | caphuso: point |
| 12:30.58 | baz | apt: that doesn't actually work over the internet |
| 12:31.07 | | baz: I give up, what is it? |
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| 12:31.07 | caphuso | baz: no, you should show that you are actually useful for something |
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| 12:31.29 | baz | caphuso: I have nothing to prove |
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| 12:31.55 | caphuso | baz: i know |
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| 12:33.04 | baz | caphuso: I think you deliberately misunderstood that :) |
| 12:33.20 | GuruMuhk | can somebody help me setting up X... right now it crashes on startup and I don't know where to start solving this problem |
| 12:33.29 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: by checking /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:33.34 | tam_ | GuruMuhk: what gfx card you got? |
| 12:33.41 | baz | GuruMuhk: what does the log say? |
| 12:34.00 | GuruMuhk | tam_: VESA -> Voodoo Banshee |
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| 12:34.46 | Mage | how can I patch my kernel ? I'm under /usr/src/linux-2.6.0 and the patch is under /usr/src/patch-2.6.1 ? |
| 12:35.02 | Mage | patch -P0 < ../patch-2.6.1 is correct ? |
| 12:35.03 | GuruMuhk | caphuso and baz: the log says Caught signal 11: |
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| 12:35.07 | tam_ | GuruMuhk: hmm, vesa driver is pretty generic |
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| 12:35.56 | GuruMuhk | tam_: it starts up, displays the KDE splash screen but crashes before KDE is started up |
| 12:36.00 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: not helpful. continue searching |
| 12:36.13 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: is it X or KDE that crashes? |
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| 12:37.08 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: X crashes while starting both gnome and KDE... the last line is: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
| 12:37.18 | tam_ | GuruMuhk: i used to get that far, can't remember what was wrong though |
| 12:37.19 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: that's not an error |
| 12:37.52 | _diego_ | Mage: -P1 is better |
| 12:38.02 | simonrvn | -p |
| 12:38.05 | Mage | _diego_: why ? |
| 12:38.26 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: hmm... earlier in the log it says: PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M |
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| 12:38.36 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: irrelevant |
| 12:38.37 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: is that an error? :-) |
| 12:38.50 | simonrvn | look for EE |
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| 12:38.55 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: yes, but one that can be safely ignored. nobody uses PEX fonts nowadays |
| 12:39.10 | _diego_ | Mage: because strip the first directory from path inside the patch |
| 12:39.28 | Mage | and why it's better ? |
| 12:40.10 | _diego_ | Mage: because in the patch you find line like this: |
| 12:40.15 | caphuso | Mage: it's only better if it works |
| 12:40.20 | _diego_ | Mage: diff -Nru a/Documentation/Changes b/Documentation/Changes |
| 12:40.23 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: I can't find anything else, that looks like an error... it stops with the mouse thing... and by the way, I can't move the mouse pointer |
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| 12:40.35 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: upload your logfile somewhere |
| 12:40.48 | Mage | okay |
| 12:40.54 | _diego_ | Mage: and usually you haven't a directory 'a' |
| 12:41.04 | caphuso | The X server PEX extension, provided in the xext package, searches for these fonts by default, and outputs an error message if it can't find them. Installing this package will suppress these messages. |
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| 12:41.16 | intero | GuruMuhk: what mouse is that? what x version? and what default gcc compiler? |
| 12:41.19 | caphuso | that's the complete description of the xfonts-pex package :-) |
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| 12:42.28 | Mage | !tell zu22 about away |
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| 12:44.08 | simonrvn | later |
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| 12:45.36 | zu22 | sorry tried new epic4 script |
| 12:46.09 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: sorry, i'm not used to Linux yet... how do I ftp the file somewhere? |
| 12:46.27 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: same way you do it in any other operating system |
| 12:48.00 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: well, I suck when doing something from the commandline :-) |
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| 12:48.53 | The_Vulture | GuruMuhk: man ftp |
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| 12:49.14 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: ftp host, log in, then "put" the file |
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| 12:49.53 | toothpick | Hello, is there a tool that will do some autodection for my x configuration? I am having trouble getting my card to work...but on knoppix it does...but on this fresh debian install it doesn't. |
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| 12:50.17 | caphuso | toothpick: /msg dpkg lazy x |
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| 12:50.33 | toothpick | thanks |
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| 12:54.08 | daniel__ | hi all |
| 12:54.31 | daniel__ | i have a problem when i try tu compile the kernel-source |
| 12:54.42 | daniel__ | ncurses not install |
| 12:54.46 | daniel__ | any clue |
| 12:54.51 | daniel__ | i am new to debian |
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| 12:54.58 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: I finally suceeded ftp'ing :-) look here: http://www.chrishansen.dk/xfree.log |
| 12:54.59 | pitbull | http://www.xtremteam.com/ |
| 12:54.59 | caphuso | daniel__: libncurses5-dev |
| 12:55.34 | daniel__ | thanks |
| 12:56.11 | toothpick | well I did the lazy x commands and still no screens found =( |
| 12:56.17 | paulswm | daniel__: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG |
| 12:56.23 | toothpick | 32 |
| 12:56.24 | toothpick | 1 |
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| 12:57.26 | prologic | Is NOT mini-dinstall available for the stable version ? |
| 12:57.34 | prologic | !info mini-dinstall |
| 12:57.37 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: that could be a problem with KDE, not X |
| 12:57.51 | dpkg | mini-dinstall: (daemon for updating Debian packages in a repository), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.6.14 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 12:58.02 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: it does the same when it starts Gnome, even failsafe-Gnome |
| 12:58.09 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: hmmm |
| 12:59.04 | daniel__ | paulswn .. what option do i put in kernel source i mean in .config so that |
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| 12:59.13 | daniel__ | the pc can turn off .. |
| 12:59.35 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: how are you starting X? |
| 12:59.56 | daniel__ | the pc doest turn off it stays there waiting for me to turn it off by power button |
| 13:00.01 | website | does somebody know in which .deb there is the "lucida*" font? |
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| 13:00.43 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: startx ... as I said before, the mouse pointer can't move, and troubling me too... it is connected at COM1 > ttyS0 in the config file |
| 13:00.48 | daniel__ | <caphuso> thanks .. can you tell me how tu make the pc turn off .. |
| 13:00.59 | daniel__ | in .config |
| 13:01.00 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 13:01.06 | caphuso | daniel__: enable apm |
| 13:01.13 | daniel__ | ok |
| 13:01.16 | daniel__ | thats it |
| 13:01.46 | daniel__ | whereis that opcion |
| 13:01.51 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed |
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| 13:03.02 | caphuso | GuruMuhk: that's all? |
| 13:04.40 | GuruMuhk | caphuso: http://www.chrishansen.dk/xsession-errors |
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| 13:04.57 | daniel__ | in what option es apm .. |
| 13:05.01 | daniel__ | gener setup ? |
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| 13:05.28 | daniel__ | in the make menuconfig .. where is apm |
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| 13:06.38 | website | does somebody know in which .deb there are the "lucida*" font? |
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| 13:11.15 | peterS | website: xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-100dpi |
| 13:11.34 | website | tnx peterS |
| 13:11.34 | peterS | website: and tetex-base |
| 13:11.42 | Zap-W | anyone know a tool for desgning web pages |
| 13:11.49 | Zap-W | design |
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| 13:12.17 | wufei | mozilla? |
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| 13:12.34 | Zap-W | bleh |
| 13:13.20 | wufei | I mostly use text editors |
| 13:13.30 | C_Rdd | Wheres the best place to get the latest stable debian ISOs (for creating installation CDs) |
| 13:14.10 | peterS | C_Rdd: http://cdimage.debian.org/ should know |
| 13:14.18 | Zap-W | wufei : that's why most linux site look like shit |
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| 13:15.46 | wufei | zap; learn the html syntax, learn how to use stylesheets and use wysiwyg for complex frames, then you can accomplish much |
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| 13:16.20 | peterS | Zap-W: nah, if you don't like the look of most Linux sites, it is probably because you have been conditioned to expect style over substance. since most linux sites have a significant amount of real content, their authors don't want or need to waste time giving you pretty fluff instead |
| 13:16.24 | Zap-W | wufei : have you got anything to show me? |
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| 13:16.46 | wufei | www.mdf.mdh.se |
| 13:17.09 | Zap-W | peterS : ofcourse, style is atractive..makes the site more readable and easy to navigate, |
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| 13:17.43 | Zap-W | peterS : and because they use text editors to design the site.. |
| 13:17.54 | peterS | Zap-W: do you have an example of a "linux site" which is hard to navigate? |
| 13:17.55 | wufei | more readable is good, most designs cause it top be less readable |
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| 13:18.12 | coolnewbie | how do i check whether ogg/vorbis is installed in my system |
| 13:18.15 | Zap-W | peterS : i have many that look just plain ugly , like sourceforge.org |
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| 13:18.25 | Zap-W | .net |
| 13:18.54 | Zap-W | freshmeat.net |
| 13:19.05 | wufei | zap; what's really bad is when there are 52 flash animations and sound on a web page |
| 13:19.07 | Zap-W | horrible |
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| 13:19.36 | Zap-W | the design, everything stuffed in the front , everything is a mess |
| 13:19.56 | peterS | cockroach: there is no one product called "ogg/vorbis". there are libraries which provide an ogg demuxer and a vorbis codec, and those are used by various applications |
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| 13:20.29 | cockroach | i'm trying to control amSynth with muse (using midi/jack) but it appears i can only control one instance of amSynth - does anyone have any experience in this area? what might i be doing wrong? |
| 13:20.34 | cockroach | peterS: huh? |
| 13:20.42 | GuruMuhk | caphuso wb |
| 13:21.04 | caphuso_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.16 | peterS | Zap-W: you prefer a site front page which is just a banner with a corporate logo and a row of buttons "click here for the flash page, click here for the graphics page, click here for the text-only page, oh btw, welcome to our site, sorry there isn't any real information on *this* page, it's a waste of your time, but at least it's cute looking"? |
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| 13:21.22 | coolnewbie | paters:can you tell me hoe to look for those |
| 13:21.33 | caphuso_ | GuruMuhk: sorry, i don't know what's wrong with your X :-( |
| 13:21.52 | GuruMuhk | caphuso > thank for trying though :-) |
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| 13:22.19 | peterS | cockroach: reply intended for coolnewbie, sorry |
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| 13:23.22 | cockroach | peterS: ah, okay :) |
| 13:23.57 | peterS | coolnewbie: individual applications support the ogg vorbis format - either natively, or through a plugin, or not at all. I don't know which applications you are wanting to use, so I don't think I can be of much further help |
| 13:24.18 | wa4chq | OT-greetings...I need to send a CD from the U.S. to the U.K. and wonder what precautions I should take. Will xrays and scanners harm the data on the cd? |
| 13:24.23 | coolnewbie | peterS:libogg |
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| 13:25.26 | peterS | coolnewbie: libogg is useless by itself. it needs to be used by an application. so there's no point in checking to see if you have libogg installed - if you have an app that decodes ogg vorbis, it will pull in libogg automatically through a dependency relationship |
| 13:25.51 | coolnewbie | peterS:ok thanks |
| 13:25.52 | Zap-W | |
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| 13:26.05 | wufei | wa4chq; no, but package the CD so it can handle getting thrown around in the postal system |
| 13:26.38 | wa4chq | wufei: tnx for the info and sorry about being OT....cheers |
| 13:26.41 | peterS | coolnewbie: you can certainly check to see if you have libogg on your system, but the mere presence of it does *not* imply that all your audio-related applications have been compiled and configured to *use* it |
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| 13:27.56 | daniel__ | who can tell me why i have port 21 filter if i am not using iptables |
| 13:28.21 | daniel__ | that is for my private ip not my 127.0.0.1 ip |
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| 13:28.42 | daniel__ | i am new to debian but not new to linux |
| 13:28.51 | Zap-W | maybe it's because hasd hvlasddd..asd |
| 13:29.10 | daniel__ | what is hvlasddd..asd |
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| 13:29.35 | daniel__ | does debian have onother fw beside iptables |
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| 13:32.04 | daniel__ | who can help me in debian |
| 13:32.12 | daniel__ | i just installed it .. |
| 13:32.22 | daniel__ | and i have port 21 filterd |
| 13:32.29 | Shay|Laptop | ~tell daniel__ about ask |
| 13:32.32 | daniel__ | i dont have iptables installed |
| 13:32.36 | vuug | where can i get information on how to install debian unstable(sid)? |
| 13:33.00 | filp | daniel__: are you still asking that question |
| 13:33.10 | daniel__ | yes |
| 13:33.16 | daniel__ | filp |
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| 13:33.31 | filp | daniel__: it is probably filtered because you're ISP is filtering it for you |
| 13:33.32 | daniel__ | does debian have onother fw beside iptables |
| 13:33.42 | filp | daniel__: why is that so hard to grasp? |
| 13:33.44 | daniel__ | i dont think so because |
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| 13:34.00 | daniel__ | i dont seem to have that problem with slack |
| 13:34.01 | filp | daniel__: ? |
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| 13:34.23 | daniel__ | i mean in slack i dont have 21 filter |
| 13:34.37 | daniel__ | whith the same conection |
| 13:34.56 | filp | daniel__: what happens if you run "iptables -L -vn" ? |
| 13:35.05 | croddy | hi - i am having a problem with the OSS 'emu10k1' module being inserted during bootup. it's not in /etc/modules, and afaict it's not anywhere in init.d. where should I look to turn it off, so the ALSA snd-emu10k1 module will load properly? i am running sid. |
| 13:35.08 | daniel__ | let me si |
| 13:35.42 | daniel__ | cant load module iptables filter |
| 13:35.49 | daniel__ | that is what it says |
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| 13:36.15 | daniel__ | i just installed debian about 2 days ago |
| 13:36.19 | daniel__ | filp |
| 13:36.28 | filp | daniel__: what about "ipchains -L -vn" ? |
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| 13:37.01 | daniel__ | incompatible with this kernel |
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| 13:37.22 | daniel__ | when i put nmap private_ip |
| 13:37.32 | daniel__ | i cant dont see any port |
| 13:37.36 | vuug | where can i get information on how to install debian unstable? |
| 13:37.46 | daniel__ | my private ip is 192.168.1.3 |
| 13:37.50 | filp | daniel__: you do not have any firewall running |
| 13:38.04 | daniel__ | not any i know about |
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| 13:38.14 | filp | daniel__: no, you just don't |
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| 13:38.17 | filp | daniel__: simple |
| 13:38.19 | daniel__ | filp.. tcpwraper |
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| 13:38.23 | daniel__ | maybe .. |
| 13:38.26 | filp | daniel__: no |
| 13:38.36 | daniel__ | than what can it be |
| 13:38.37 | filp | daniel__: tcp wrapper still allows the connection |
| 13:38.45 | petemc | vuug: install stable, familiarise yourself with the packaging system etc, then upgrade |
| 13:38.53 | daniel__ | then .. what can it be |
| 13:39.08 | filp | daniel__: something screwy with your setup, do you even have something running on port 21? |
| 13:39.18 | daniel__ | ftp |
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| 13:39.29 | daniel__ | is runing ok whit ip 127.0.0.1 |
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| 13:39.38 | daniel__ | but not with ip 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:39.49 | daniel__ | but not with ip 192.168.1.3 |
| 13:39.51 | daniel__ | sorry |
| 13:40.01 | filp | daniel__: ? |
| 13:40.02 | mentor | ~tell daniel_ about enter |
| 13:40.10 | filp | daniel__: again please |
| 13:40.29 | daniel__ | ftp runs ok whit ip 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:40.36 | vuug | petmec: Where can i get information how i install sid. Please! |
| 13:40.45 | daniel__ | but does not run with ip 192.168.1.3 |
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| 13:40.54 | daniel__ | nmap 127.0.0.1 ok |
| 13:40.54 | keyz | what is the command for format ext2 ? |
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| 13:41.00 | filp | daniel__: what does "netstat -vat" give you? |
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| 13:41.04 | daniel__ | nmap 192.168.1.3 nothing |
| 13:41.12 | gino | hello friends who can tell me what voice means in irc ? |
| 13:41.12 | daniel__ | let me see |
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| 13:41.37 | y3rk | ok, im was have fluxbox 0-,1, now i install fluxbox 14, but it doesnt run.. |
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| 13:42.05 | y3rk | what can i do.. |
| 13:42.06 | LonelyOne | gino: in channels with a specific mode, only voiced users can speak, i guess |
| 13:42.20 | gino | , ? speak ? |
| 13:42.32 | LonelyOne | gino: on some channels, it's also used to allow users to use specific services, like irc relaying bots |
| 13:42.34 | daniel__ | it is lisen to 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:42.43 | daniel__ | my ip is 192.168.1.3 |
| 13:42.45 | vuug | mentor: i know the rools but please answer me just this question. Where do i find a howto on howto install the debian unstable system? |
| 13:42.48 | LonelyOne | gino: speak=write to the channel so other can read them |
| 13:42.51 | daniel__ | that can be the problem |
| 13:42.52 | gino | ok i prefer like that ! |
| 13:43.03 | daniel__ | why is that |
| 13:43.06 | daniel__ | filp |
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| 13:43.22 | filp | daniel__: can you dump the results to #flood |
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| 13:43.30 | mentor | vuug: You can't 'install' it, there is no working install system...you have to install stable and upgrade. |
| 13:43.30 | LonelyOne | daniel__: try to prepend the username on your lines, it'll be easier to read for everyone else |
| 13:43.31 | gino | here voice is debhelper is a bot ? |
| 13:43.35 | petemc | vuug: what was wrong with the answer i gave you? |
| 13:43.44 | mentor | vuug: It's spelt 'rules' btw. |
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| 13:44.09 | daniel__ | prepend .. what does that mean .. |
| 13:44.16 | LonelyOne | daniel__: like that |
| 13:44.24 | gino | you all know apt-get clean here |
| 13:44.38 | peterS | gino: yeah... |
| 13:44.40 | mentor | !dict prepend |
| 13:44.40 | gino | but clean what ? |
| 13:44.42 | dpkg | Dictionary 'prepend' (3 shown): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "prepend" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" prepend ;; <jargon> /pree'pend'/ (by analogy with "append") To prefix or add to the beginning. ;; [Jargon File]. |
| 13:44.55 | LonelyOne | mentor: hehe thx |
| 13:44.59 | peterS | gino: 'man apt-get' will answer all your questions |
| 13:45.06 | gino | ok |
| 13:45.09 | gino | i do |
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| 13:45.55 | daniel__ | ok done |
| 13:45.57 | daniel__ | in #flood |
| 13:45.59 | daniel__ | is the dump |
| 13:46.01 | daniel__ | of netstat -vat |
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| 13:46.17 | filp | daniel__: ftp is listening on all interfaces |
| 13:46.20 | croddy | ~enter |
| 13:46.22 | | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 13:46.22 | y3rk | where i can configure my XDM options ? |
| 13:46.30 | filp | daniel__: what happens when a client tries to connect? |
| 13:47.14 | vuug | petmec: look i installed it yesterday, and deleted the installation afterwords to install it again. But know i always do one error so that i cannot install kde window manager after that. I alwas install stable first with just the base system. then i do the deselect update and dselect install like in the debian.com howto. then i edit the source to testing and to the same thing, and then with unstable the same. But the first time i did it I could install Kde. |
| 13:47.17 | daniel__ | if a client trys to connect to 127.0.0.1 ok |
| 13:47.30 | filp | daniel__: an external client |
| 13:47.35 | daniel__ | if it trys to conect using 192.168.1. |
| 13:47.42 | daniel__ | externel |
| 13:47.49 | daniel__ | just keep waiting |
| 13:47.56 | daniel__ | if you nmap my ip |
| 13:47.56 | filp | daniel__: can you give me a dump of "ifconfig" and "route" |
| 13:47.59 | daniel__ | it is filters |
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| 13:48.02 | croddy | ~kde fix |
| 13:48.04 | | i heard kde fix is get http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2003/06/24/debian/pool/main/l/lm-sensors/libsensors-1debian1_2.7.0-6_i386.deb and install it |
| 13:48.04 | daniel__ | ok |
| 13:48.18 | gino | bye bye see you soon , |
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| 13:48.36 | daniel__ | filp |
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| 13:48.48 | daniel__ | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:33:A0:83:55 |
| 13:48.48 | daniel__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.54 | daniel__ | that is what is wrong |
| 13:49.04 | daniel__ | mi ip is 192.168.1.3 |
| 13:49.09 | daniel__ | not 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:49.20 | filp | daniel__: no, it's 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:49.23 | daniel__ | where do i make a change |
| 13:49.27 | daniel__ | no is not |
| 13:49.31 | croddy | daniel__ would you please stop scrolling the channel so much |
| 13:49.36 | daniel__ | ok |
| 13:49.38 | daniel__ | sorry |
| 13:49.40 | vuug | petmec: but why it work the first time? So if you do this upgrade do you have to do a preferences file in etc/apt? is it nessesary and the default-realease declaration in apt.conf? |
| 13:49.43 | zu22 | dan i was on d-u list for 24 hours and received over 200 messages! |
| 13:49.48 | majki | Hello, I need to "crypt" my bash shell script - I don't want to show source, but script must works..any idea, how to do it ? (I was searching for bash obfuscator on google, but nothing found..only commercial products :( |
| 13:49.50 | filp | daniel__: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:49.52 | daniel__ | 192.168.1.1 is not my ip |
| 13:49.55 | daniel__ | ok thanks |
| 13:50.11 | y3rk | where i can configure my XDM options ? |
| 13:50.16 | y3rk | XDM options.. |
| 13:50.34 | filp | daniel__: daniel if "ifconfig" is showing your IP as 192.168.1.1 then your IP is 192.168.1.1 |
| 13:50.37 | LonelyOne | y3rk: /etc/X11/xdm/* ? |
| 13:50.40 | filp | daniel__: pretty simple |
| 13:50.43 | y3rk | txs ! |
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| 13:50.49 | Shay|Laptop | majki, may I know why do you want to close the source of your script? |
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| 13:51.35 | vuug | do i have to install the testing first befor ugrading from stable to sid? |
| 13:51.39 | zu22 | ~hello streuner |
| 13:51.48 | filp | vuug: nuh. |
| 13:51.49 | y3rk | and Fluxbox where was saved ? in what folder ? |
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| 13:51.53 | y3rk | usr/sbin .. ? |
| 13:52.04 | streuner__ | zu22: hi |
| 13:52.12 | majki | Shay|Laptop: because I want to get it my friend, but I don't want to he knows how I did it |
| 13:52.31 | LonelyOne | y3rk: if you still have the fluxbox .deb file, try a "dpkg -c your_flux_box.deb | less" |
| 13:52.31 | vuug | flip: do you have a preference file in /etc/apt/ ? |
| 13:52.46 | filp | vuug: yup |
| 13:52.59 | slurp | Bus error in your favour. Collect 200Kb: ascii-release-subscribe@mbox.bz |
| 13:53.13 | LonelyOne | y3rk: you'll find the .deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:53.20 | Shay|Laptop | majki: why? |
| 13:53.25 | vuug | flip: so you run unstable right? |
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| 13:53.48 | filp | vuug: yup |
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| 13:54.08 | OfficeCascade | hello |
| 13:54.21 | vuug | could you post the apt.conf file and the prefernce file in flood please ;-) ? |
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| 13:54.31 | OfficeCascade | did anyone recently upgrade postgresql from 7.3 to 7.4 on unstable? |
| 13:54.34 | vuug | flip: could you post the apt.conf file and the prefernce file in flood please ;-) ? |
| 13:54.44 | OfficeCascade | if so, how did the database migration go? |
| 13:54.49 | filp | vuug: don't need to change you're apt.conf |
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| 13:55.31 | vuug | flip: but I don't have an apt.conf i install a debian stable system and then upgrade to sid. So you think i don't need one right? |
| 13:55.43 | majki | Shay|Laptop: because I don't want he can edit this script |
| 13:56.13 | filp | majki: get friends you can trust |
| 13:56.36 | filp | vuug: you need to change your sources file |
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| 13:57.34 | vuug | flip: i know all sources to unstable and uncomment the security source. But what pin number to you have in preference 800 or 500 for unstable? |
| 13:57.35 | milez | Shay|Laptop, debian unstable, dist-upgrade, postgresql 7.3 => 7.4 . been there? |
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| 13:58.02 | g0th | hi |
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| 13:58.41 | Shay|Laptop | milez, negative |
| 13:58.45 | y3rk | i must be need gdm for fluxbox ? |
| 13:58.47 | filp | vuug: just do a "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" and you'll be running unstable |
| 13:58.48 | milez | hmpf |
| 13:59.07 | asg | y3rk: no, fluxbox works irrespective of any dm |
| 13:59.29 | y3rk | asg : fluxbox its saved on /usr/sbin ? |
| 13:59.30 | g0th | I think my sources.list is somehow to old (ftp.it.debian.org) it still shows me xfree 4.2 while other ppl told me debian sid already had 4.3... |
| 13:59.30 | vuug | flip: ok and when i want to install kde i have to install the patch first. |
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| 13:59.33 | gahan | I've compiled 2.6.1 with CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1=y, 00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) || and i cant hear anything :/ |
| 13:59.35 | asg | y3rk: no, /usr/bin |
| 13:59.42 | filp | vuug: what? |
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| 13:59.48 | g0th | can anyone tell me a sources.list? |
| 13:59.53 | y3rk | oks |
| 13:59.53 | asg | g0th: apt-setup |
| 13:59.55 | filp | vuug: no you just "apt-get install <package name>" |
| 14:00.13 | filp | vuug: what patch? |
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| 14:00.16 | g0th | asg: ? |
| 14:00.18 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 14:00.23 | g0th | I need the adress |
| 14:00.26 | asg | g0th: apt-setup will generate a sources list for you |
| 14:00.39 | g0th | so I make a backup first... |
| 14:00.53 | vuug | flips: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2003/06/24/debian/poo |
| 14:00.53 | vuug | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.55 | asg | g0th: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 14:01.16 | g0th | to download new ati drivers |
| 14:01.24 | g0th | as the current ones are totaly broken |
| 14:01.41 | g0th | they freeze me my system whenever I run an opengl application |
| 14:01.43 | Lafourmi | what is the difference between the woody-i386-(1,2,3,4...).jigdo files ? |
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| 14:01.49 | filp | vuug: I have no idea, just stick to the Unstable release and don't mess with it |
| 14:02.04 | asg | g0th: I suppose you could download them from ati's site |
| 14:02.17 | vuug | flips: ok thanks you very very much for youre support! ;) |
| 14:02.18 | g0th | hmm... |
| 14:02.25 | g0th | asg: thx, I'll try |
| 14:02.41 | g0th | do I have to do sthg to add it properly into the debian system? |
| 14:03.08 | asg | g0th: depends, the README in the tarball you download from ati probably has information. |
| 14:03.16 | g0th | k |
| 14:03.31 | g0th | hmm |
| 14:03.40 | g0th | will they work with 2.6.0/1? |
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| 14:04.00 | asg | g0th: I don't know. Ask #kernel or #kernelnewbies (oftc.net) |
| 14:04.05 | g0th | k |
| 14:04.09 | streuner__ | Is openssl s_client only for testing the own server or can i test (debugging) *any* server-connection, what's the right command? 'openssl s_client -connect http://blahblah.com? |
| 14:04.17 | asg | g0th: also /msg dpkg ati |
| 14:04.19 | fatal_ | hmm.... I hear lots of disc activity all of a sudden... how do I find out whats causing the I/O ? |
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| 14:04.59 | paulswm | morning asg |
| 14:05.01 | asg | fatal_: ps |
| 14:05.05 | asg | paulswm: hiya |
| 14:05.17 | beta3 | morning asg |
| 14:05.17 | streuner__ | hmm |
| 14:05.24 | asg | beta3: hello |
| 14:05.31 | fatal_ | asg: all proccesses are idle (according to top) ... but uptime shows load of 1.5 ... |
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| 14:05.43 | assink | hello |
| 14:05.46 | assink | i have an problem |
| 14:05.54 | assink | i tried to install ATI drivers |
| 14:05.54 | asg | fatal_: any processes running that are not normally running? |
| 14:05.58 | assink | it didn`t work |
| 14:06.05 | asg | fatal_: it's likely locatedb or some cron scripts doing cleanup |
| 14:06.07 | assink | and now he has an problem whit xlibmesa |
| 14:06.33 | g0th | I got ati problems too |
| 14:06.44 | g0th | I was told to download the binary drivers from ati.com |
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| 14:06.45 | streuner__ | assink: can you just use one less 'enter' button and describe the problem in one whole sentence? |
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| 14:07.49 | streuner__ | assink: Did you check the logs of /var/log/XF86*0.log? |
| 14:07.59 | g0th | great, I didn't find any drivers.... :( |
| 14:08.15 | arkaoss | can some live dude here check out http://home.arkaoss.com for avialability? it's my home server and it don't dns right to check it |
| 14:08.17 | g0th | they told me to check my notebook manufacter... |
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| 14:08.28 | g0th | and there I didn't find them... |
| 14:08.35 | assink | well, when i want to apt-get something for the X it failes, and he say that some dependencies are unmet and then there are all xlibmesa and they don`t install.... |
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| 14:08.48 | asg | g0th: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story21979.html (first google entry) |
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| 14:09.07 | streuner__ | assink: what version of debian do you use? |
| 14:09.12 | assink | 3.0 |
| 14:09.17 | assink | kernel 2.6-test11 |
| 14:09.34 | streuner__ | assink: run 'dpkg -l libc6' and tell us the output |
| 14:09.42 | XpTerminator | hey |
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| 14:09.50 | _pHI_ | is there a way to exclude a directory for a search using the find command? |
| 14:10.04 | dbeal | how do I turn off server notices in BitchX |
| 14:10.08 | g0th | asg: I think my card isn't mentioned |
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| 14:10.17 | g0th | I have an M6 |
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| 14:10.30 | assink | streuner__: its a long story... |
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| 14:10.33 | asg | g0th: hmmm, I don't know then. I'd ask here later and see if anyone else knows. |
| 14:10.38 | arkaoss | can any one point a browser for me to my url? http://home.arkaoss.com |
| 14:10.53 | arkaoss | let me know if you get an apache default screen? |
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| 14:10.54 | g0th | I found a similar list on ati.com (without my Mobility card) |
| 14:10.59 | g0th | asg: ok |
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| 14:11.01 | Lafourmi | arkaoss, nothing |
| 14:11.19 | Lafourmi | arkaoss, doesn't work |
| 14:11.25 | arkaoss | aight thanks |
| 14:11.37 | assink | streuner__: status=not/installed/Config-files/unpacked/Failed-Config/Half-installed |
| 14:11.52 | streuner__ | assink: We need only the version number |
| 14:12.09 | arkaoss | if you do a dns lookup for home.arkaoss.com does it give you anything? |
| 14:12.23 | assink | streuner__: 2.3.2.ds1-10 |
| 14:12.29 | majki | so nobody has idea for any shell script obfuscator like here: http://www.jimworld.com/tools/php-encrypt/ for php code ? |
| 14:12.32 | scrpkitty | I was felixdz before. I am using my girlfreinds user account.. |
| 14:12.46 | scrpkitty | Not dressed in her clothes though... |
| 14:12.49 | scrpkitty | yet! |
| 14:12.58 | arkaoss | how about 69.0.13.208 does that get an apach setup screen? |
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| 14:13.21 | streuner__ | assink: ok, check out your /etc/apt/sources.list and correct the lines with testing/sarge or unstable/sid |
| 14:13.21 | asg | arkaoss: yes, that's fine |
| 14:13.23 | Lafourmi | arkaoss, no, your problem is a dns redirection problem I think |
| 14:13.29 | scrpkitty | Seriously though I wanted to sse if this problem had to do with the knoppix-installer |
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| 14:13.37 | Lafourmi | arkaoss, I can't ping your URL |
| 14:13.38 | assink | streuner__: i have sid |
| 14:13.49 | asg | scrpkitty: ask in #knoppix |
| 14:14.01 | scrpkitty | Pardon me. |
| 14:14.05 | assink | streuner__: its all unstable |
| 14:14.10 | arkaoss | thanks Lafourmi, i am checkin with zoneedit.. may be my script.. |
| 14:14.10 | streuner__ | assink: so what depends problems? |
| 14:14.15 | scrpkitty | Sorry about that |
| 14:14.17 | Lafourmi | arkaoss, np |
| 14:14.42 | assink | streuner__: xlibmesa3-gl ...... |
| 14:14.44 | troubled | on a direct 100base-FD connection crossover between two machine, what kinda rates should I be expecting? |
| 14:14.47 | vuug | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.56 | streuner__ | assink: 4.3? |
| 14:15.13 | assink | streuner__: doesn`t say something about that |
| 14:15.15 | arkaoss | hmm zoneedit has that correct IP.. |
| 14:15.36 | razerboy | is kernel 2.6.0 aviable as a deb? |
| 14:15.43 | assink | one moment |
| 14:15.43 | assink | brb |
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| 14:16.22 | orchid | anyone know the package that provides fbsetbg? |
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| 14:16.38 | asg | arkaoss: DNS is still listing 73.103 as the ip for your site |
| 14:16.50 | asg | razerboy: in unstable, yes |
| 14:17.21 | beta3 | asg: somebody is gonna get burned when they try 2.6.1-mm1 |
| 14:17.38 | asg | beta3: someone always does. What's up this time? |
| 14:17.40 | beta3 | asg: The reign of Kernel oops, and Segfaultking |
| 14:17.44 | arkaoss | so if zoneedit is correct and my site's borked.. then the problem must be my initial dns |
| 14:18.00 | troubled | asg: hey, sorry to bug you, but would you have any ideas to my question? |
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| 14:18.11 | fatal_ | asg: I don't understand... all proccesses are in state sleep ... top says they're all using 0.0 %CPU .. uptime says system load is 1.5 ... "blip blip blip" drive activity has been going on for half an hour now.... there doesn't seem to be any cronjobs running .. nor an updatedb... |
| 14:18.12 | asg | troubled: what rate are you getting now? |
| 14:18.35 | troubled | asg: about 700k/s |
| 14:18.36 | asg | fatal_: anything in the logs? |
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| 14:18.49 | asg | troubled: you should get much higher with 100 FD |
| 14:18.50 | fatal_ | asg: not that I can find... |
| 14:18.52 | vuug_ | how is the fix called for kde in sid? i thought is somthing like http://snapshot.?? |
| 14:18.54 | razerboy | is 2.6 going to make it to testing? |
| 14:18.59 | casterman | i want to create a linux on a floppy with some minimal functionalities. is there any tutorial i could look at? |
| 14:19.01 | asg | fatal_: apt-get install chkrootkit (and run it) |
| 14:19.02 | beta3 | asg: the patches that caused the segfaults and oops were dropped from mm2 |
| 14:19.18 | troubled | asg: its direct between a windows box and the linux. cpu usage is next to nil and cant seem to figure out why |
| 14:19.31 | Kraig | casterman: google |
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| 14:19.35 | asg | beta3: hmmmm |
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| 14:20.03 | asg | troubled: any errors showing up in the output of ifconfig? |
| 14:20.05 | assink | streuner__: back :) |
| 14:20.16 | zu22 | beta3: 2.4.24 is very stable , no ksymoops or panic :) |
| 14:20.16 | troubled | asg: windows says were only using like 5% of the line. Could it be all the routing/firewall/qos options I compiled into the kernel? Its the same speed with the dlink and the 3com nic so its not drivers |
| 14:20.17 | troubled | asg: no, running perfectly |
| 14:20.31 | streuner__ | assink: what version of X do you use? |
| 14:20.32 | beta3 | zu22: 2.6.1 is stable, just the mm patches are very iffy |
| 14:20.42 | zu22 | beta3: ah ok |
| 14:20.55 | asg | troubled: qos possibly |
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| 14:20.58 | polux | hi |
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| 14:21.01 | assink | streuner__: 4.2.1.1 |
| 14:21.18 | troubled | asg: guess ill have to recomple and try with out :/ |
| 14:21.19 | polux | did someone manage to get alsa work with k2.6 and nforce2 ? |
| 14:21.43 | zu22 | i get this each day in my system mail, how can i fix this: |
| 14:21.43 | asg | troubled: what are you using to send data between the two? |
| 14:21.44 | zu22 | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man6/crafty.bin.6.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 14:21.57 | streuner__ | assink: upgrade to 4.3 then |
| 14:21.59 | asg | zu22: rm the symlink |
| 14:22.00 | troubled | asg: tried ftp and samba, but slow |
| 14:22.08 | assink | streuner__: it won`t update :) |
| 14:22.13 | zu22 | asg: ok |
| 14:22.13 | assink | streuner__: thats the problem |
| 14:22.14 | wiz | I just recompiled the 2.4.18bf24 kernel to 2.4.24, and when I rebooted the keyboard won't respond... I think I screwed up by running make install before I copied the vmlinuz to .old, so I get the same problem when I boot linux-old, what can I do? |
| 14:22.20 | asg | troubled: are you absolutely sure they are both 100FD |
| 14:22.35 | wiz | Also: I tried booting off the bf24 cd rescue root=blablah but I get same problem |
| 14:22.40 | troubled | asg: yup, thats what mii-tool is reportin |
| 14:22.52 | streuner__ | assink: try this deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/sid/i386 ./ |
| 14:22.57 | asg | troubled: hmm, I'd try without the QOS options then |
| 14:23.06 | assink | hmm can i copy it here? |
| 14:23.15 | assink | irssi |
| 14:23.15 | troubled | asg: trying now, ill let you know when i reboot |
| 14:23.19 | casterman | instead of looking from scratch as i value this irc anyone would recommand a floppy distribution that is worth looking at? |
| 14:23.23 | asg | troubled: one other thing, how long is the cable you are using? |
| 14:23.31 | streuner__ | assink: if you have gpm installed |
| 14:23.37 | asg | casterman: tomsrbt |
| 14:23.48 | beta3 | asg: recompiling kernel for mm2, hope I don't get shot again |
| 14:23.49 | assink | streuner__: not as far as i know :) |
| 14:24.03 | asg | beta3: you'll be fine, you live dangerously right ? :) |
| 14:24.13 | troubled | asg: like 5ft give or take |
| 14:24.17 | asg | troubled: okay |
| 14:24.22 | zu22 | i also get this mail from cron every day: /etc/cron.daily/lire: |
| 14:24.25 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.32 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.38 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.42 | zu22 | how to fix that? |
| 14:24.42 | troubled | asg: btw, just check, im not using qos now. thought I was. Only had advanced router checked |
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| 14:25.45 | zu22 | should i file a bug for lire? i am running unstable, it should have set permissions correct when i installed package no? |
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| 14:25.45 | troubled | asg: i did try the "Packet Socket: mmapped IO" option though |
| 14:26.04 | wiz | I just recompiled the 2.4.18bf24 kernel to 2.4.24, and when I rebooted the keyboard won't respond... I think I screwed up by running make install before I copied the vmlinuz to .old, so I get the same problem when I boot linux-old, what can I do, other than booting off the bf24 disk in rescue root=/dev/blahblah mode since that gives me the same problem? |
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| 14:26.45 | dobby | does someone run unstable an kde? |
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| 14:27.28 | wufei | wiz; use a non bf rescue? |
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| 14:27.58 | troubled | asg: gonna try disable grsec options for networking as well just in case the random tcp id's and other options are causing problems |
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| 14:28.11 | y3rk | when i gonna ejec fluxbox, mi linux showme that error : |
| 14:28.16 | y3rk | BaseDisplay::BaseDisplay: connection to X server failed. |
| 14:28.16 | y3rk | Fluxbox: Unknown error. |
| 14:28.24 | wiz | wufei: don't have one, and don't have a working burner or floppy... anyway wouldn't it give me the same problem theoreticly? |
| 14:28.38 | nighter | witch packet do i have to install to get the file Tk.pm? |
| 14:28.45 | wufei | not sure what the problem is |
| 14:28.47 | Kraig | wiz: maybe loading your computer from another pc? |
| 14:29.28 | dobby | hello i have installed debian stale base system and upgraded to sid. But know when i want to install kde i get lots of dependency errors. Any ideas why? |
| 14:29.42 | wiz | Kraig: how? |
| 14:29.48 | bda | Because sid is unstable? |
| 14:29.51 | Kraig | wiz: what do you mean? |
| 14:29.55 | Kraig | wiz: ssh? |
| 14:30.16 | wiz | kraig: its not getting on the network when it boots either, I tried that a few minutes ago :( |
| 14:30.19 | dobby | bda: but Yesterday it worked! |
| 14:30.50 | Kraig | wiz: so it doesn't boot? |
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| 14:31.48 | wiz | Kraig: goes all the way to the login prompt, but keyboard doesn't repsond |
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| 14:31.52 | polux | did someone manage to get alsa work with k2.6 and nforce2 ? |
| 14:31.55 | wiz | Kraig: and no net |
| 14:32.32 | beta3 | asg: heh, 2.6.1, FINALLY IPV6 CLEAN CODE!! :) |
| 14:32.54 | Ofloo | hi all how do i setup a .htaccess file read httpd.apache.org there is no deasend howtos on that linux howto page, also how do i generate a new ssl cert for my apache ssl webserver ?? |
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| 14:33.17 | Kraig | wiz: so you only have to edit some files? coz if that's what you have to do maybe getting your harddrive as secondary in other computer and loading from it |
| 14:33.22 | Ofloo | ive done half of the .htaccess file but there seems something wrong with it it won't work .. |
| 14:33.30 | tam_ | Ofloo: #apache may be able to help yah |
| 14:33.32 | Ofloo | it does on redhat tho .. |
| 14:33.32 | djw | beta3: how is it ipv6 clean code? |
| 14:33.38 | Ofloo | k tnx |
| 14:33.41 | see | how do i recofigure a package already installed, dpkg-reconfigure seems not to be installed in unstable :/ |
| 14:33.47 | wiz | Kraig: I'd do that but my only other computer is this one, and its a lappy |
| 14:33.52 | hadez | what do i have to do to search for broken dependencies using aptitude i know it's possible but i forgot the syntax and i can't find anything on google :/ |
| 14:33.55 | troubled | asg: its worth noting I guess that the windows nic is a usb2 nic. Im wondering if that if affecting it as well |
| 14:34.01 | beta3 | djw: 2.6.0 had a bunch of crappy ipv6 code, ipv6 was kinda of borked as you can say, see topic of #ipv6 |
| 14:34.11 | wiz | Kraig: I"m guessing I screwed up when I config'd the kernel, but I can't fix it without being able to log in :( |
| 14:34.41 | mdupont | java.lang.RuntimeException: Error creating org.apache.cocoon.parser.XercesParser: make sure the needed classes can be found in the classpath (org/apache/xerces/framework/XMLParser) |
| 14:34.41 | mdupont | at org.apache.cocoon.framework.Manager.create(Manager.java) |
| 14:34.45 | troubled | asg: oh brb, rebooting (gotta detach my screen |
| 14:34.51 | Kraig | wiz: that's the problem, that's really kind of weird, maybe you don't have an static ip addr, that maybe dificult then |
| 14:35.18 | asg | beta3: :) cool |
| 14:35.41 | wiz | Kraig: DHCP through a linksys router, checked the router status page for IP and no ping nor ssh reply |
| 14:35.58 | Kraig | wiz: off course |
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| 14:36.59 | beta3 | asg: now I got some grub to throw at postfix and qmail |
| 14:37.16 | beta3 | asg: both need patches to support ipv6, exim{3,4} both have native support |
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| 14:37.39 | Kraig | wiz: sorry man, but i can't help you then |
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| 14:38.00 | asg | beta3: yeah, exim has had it for some time iirc |
| 14:38.03 | Ketju | I am having module related problems. To be exact, I can't get modprobe to load a module and I am sure I've done something to damage my modules config. The error I am getting currently from "modprobe module_name" is: FATAL: Failed to open config file /lib/modules/modprobe.conf: Too many open files |
| 14:38.16 | wiz | NP Kraig, Anyone else have any ideas? I'd hate to have to reinstall, vauable files and all. |
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| 14:38.28 | asg | Ketju: you doing that as root? |
| 14:38.42 | Ketju | asg: sudo, would su'ing to root change anything |
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| 14:39.03 | Ketju | nay, su had no affect. |
| 14:39.22 | asg | Ketju: maybe using a limit (see /etc/security/limits.conf) |
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| 14:40.29 | Ketju | Well, modprobe will work on a 2.4.23 kernel, it seems to have stopped for me when I upgraded to 2.6.1 |
| 14:40.31 | wiz | I just recompiled the 2.4.18bf24 kernel to 2.4.24, and when I rebooted the keyboard won't respond... I think I screwed up by running make install before I copied the vmlinuz to .old, so I get the same problem when I boot linux-old, what can I do, other than booting off the bf24 disk in rescue root=/dev/blahblah mode since that gives me the same problem? |
| 14:40.43 | asg | Ketju: oh, do you have the new module-init-tools |
| 14:40.55 | Ketju | asg: Yes, just got them earlier. |
| 14:41.15 | asg | Ketju: I'd check with #kernel or #kernelnewbies in oftc.net (also, check the BTS) |
| 14:41.23 | Ketju | ok |
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| 14:43.05 | hadez | -- how can is serach for broken dependendcies using aptitude ? |
| 14:43.08 | streuner_ | wiz: nah, if your keyboard doesn't work anymore, it is likely an hardware-problem |
| 14:43.26 | streuner_ | wiz: did you upgrade to 4.3 yet? |
| 14:43.39 | streuner_ | wiz: sorry, that was for assink |
| 14:44.10 | wiz | strerror_: awful coincedence nic and keyboard failing first boot after a recompile of teh kernel and being unrelated? |
| 14:44.18 | streuner_ | assink: don't /msg me, use the channel |
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| 14:44.42 | assink | streuner_: okay but the problem is i can`t read so fast here |
| 14:44.43 | assink | :/ |
| 14:44.48 | streuner_ | wiz: do you have another keyboard? |
| 14:45.04 | wiz | yeah, was going to try it here in a few if no one else had any ideas |
| 14:45.08 | Rozyk | Ktos mowi po polsku? |
| 14:45.21 | asg | !+polish |
| 14:45.21 | Xenguy | wiz: or fallback to the previous kernel version you have, and see if it still works there |
| 14:45.22 | dpkg | it has been said that polish is something used to make things shiny, or some language with MUCH too high a consonant-to-vowel ratio. /j #debian.pl, or a really good sausage |
| 14:45.26 | troubled | asg: nope, no diff when grsec network stuff disabled either :( oh well, ill check into it some more I guess |
| 14:45.48 | Rozyk | +polish |
| 14:45.48 | VynoM | Does anyone know where the kernel_include files are installed in debian? No one is answering in #nvidia |
| 14:45.49 | asg | troubled: hmmm, okay. Can you try using a non-usb nic in the Windows box? |
| 14:45.51 | streuner_ | assink: so just upgrade to 4.3 and you get that package you need |
| 14:46.03 | wiz | Xenguy: I think by doing make install before cp vmlinuz vmlinuz.old I scewed myself on that linux-old gives me same problem.... but so does rescue on bf24 disk... |
| 14:46.08 | assink | streuner_: he wont upgrade |
| 14:46.24 | troubled | asg: there is one, but ill have to wake my buddy up (his machine) and just make sure its cool with him. GOnna try in a bit i gues, ill let ya know |
| 14:46.25 | streuner_ | assink: yep, why? |
| 14:46.27 | Xenguy | wiz: gack |
| 14:46.36 | asg | troubled: okay, good luck |
| 14:46.49 | asg | Rozyk: #debian.pl for the Polish Debian Channel |
| 14:46.50 | wiz | Xenguy: gack? |
| 14:47.11 | Xenguy | wiz: an exclamation of surprise and dismay ;-) |
| 14:47.11 | Rozyk | #debian.pl |
| 14:47.28 | asg | Rozyk: type '/join #debian.pl' |
| 14:47.32 | wiz | Xenguy: lol... going to try plugging in another kb, brb |
| 14:47.43 | Xenguy | wiz: good idea |
| 14:47.55 | Rozyk | thanx |
| 14:48.00 | asg | Rozyk: :) |
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| 14:48.27 | asg | ~tell root_ about root |
| 14:48.32 | streuner_ | assink: yep, why? |
| 14:48.33 | assink | streuner_: he wont install becouse of that xlibmesa fault |
| 14:48.49 | Xenguy | asg: it worked ;-) |
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| 14:49.04 | streuner_ | assink: you got with the sources.line i pasted the error? |
| 14:49.16 | assink | yes |
| 14:49.20 | assink | streuner_: yes |
| 14:49.42 | asg | Xenguy: cool |
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| 14:49.58 | wiz | Xenguy: no change... I guess I'm reduced to reinstalling when I wake up later today... my boss is going to kill me. |
| 14:50.09 | moch | Where to find debootstrap-0.1.16.4-2.i386.rpm |
| 14:50.27 | moch | The one i got is passworded |
| 14:50.43 | asg | moch: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/debootstrap-0.1.16.4-2.i386.rpm |
| 14:50.51 | Xenguy | wiz: rats - well, this stuff does happen, and it *is* repairable |
| 14:50.54 | zu22 | kernel-source-2.4.23 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.23 with Debian patches, what exactly are these Debian patches? |
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| 14:50.57 | moch | asg: url not found |
| 14:51.08 | beta3 | asg: heh, devmapper patches against 2.6.0, I wonder If I should have fixed them up to patch against 2.6.1 |
| 14:51.11 | wiz | Xenguy: repairable without reinstalling? |
| 14:51.22 | beta3 | asg: it would allow me to do snapshot on 2.6 |
| 14:51.23 | zu22 | i can't find a kernel-soure-2.4.24 which is odd since 2.4.23 has a root exploit! is this in upstream? |
| 14:51.25 | asg | moch: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/ (select the one you want) |
| 14:51.33 | _Phrozen | hey, im having trouble configuring xfree56 with debian |
| 14:51.38 | rsff | Guys, did any of you know of this? http://www.digitalspeech.org/ |
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| 14:51.46 | moch | asg: Its the one i got and its passworded |
| 14:51.51 | Xenguy | wiz: beats me - I just meant if you have to re-install, so be it, it will work (I assume your data is backed-up of course) |
| 14:51.54 | tam_ | anyone know if i need to put my back up mx servers in the sendmail configuration or should it automatically pick them up? |
| 14:52.06 | _Phrozen | it refuses to let you get past the video mode selection |
| 14:52.12 | _Phrozen | anyone any ideas? |
| 14:52.15 | Covener | If i want to pass n filename parameters to a shell script, and the files have spaces, can I put a glob onthe command line and end up w/ the spaces inside the files escaped similiar to the way tab completion does? |
| 14:52.17 | asg | moch: hmm, I don't know then. Perhaps download the debootstrap deb and convert it to rpm with alien |
| 14:52.27 | wiz | Xenguy: nope, ran out of cdr's and never got to the store :( |
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| 14:52.37 | FB | the topic is white because it begins with a number. cool. :-) |
| 14:52.45 | zu22 | what options are comiled into a kernel image package? if i want to compile from source do i also need the kernel-headers package that corresponds to my kernel-source package? |
| 14:52.48 | assink | streuner_: i putted an # for the other lines...so |
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| 14:53.45 | Xenguy | wiz: /me shudders... |
| 14:53.45 | wiz | Xenguy: thanks anyway, night |
| 14:53.45 | wiz | Xenguy: or morning rather, here |
| 14:53.45 | wiz | :) |
| 14:53.45 | Xenguy | wiz: maybe you want to recover that data before you re-install? |
| 14:53.45 | wiz | Xenguy: not possible is it? |
| 14:53.45 | Xenguy | wiz: (if there is anything important) |
| 14:53.59 | wiz | Xenguy: can't recover without being able to log in can I? |
| 14:54.01 | Xenguy | wiz: can't you use a rescue CD of some kind to get at the data? |
| 14:54.23 | wiz | Xenguy: bf24 rescue root = /dev/hdb2 gives me the same problem |
| 14:54.38 | wiz | Xenguy: which doesn't make much sense to me, since I think itsa kernel problem |
| 14:55.23 | Xenguy | wiz: (maybe I missed the first part of your problem, but couldn't you say boot with knoppix or something and try to access the data that way?) |
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| 14:55.32 | zu22 | i am downloading linux-2.4.24.tar.bz2 from ftp.kernel.org, do i need to install any debian-specific patches ? |
| 14:55.35 | beta3 | asg: here comes round 2 |
| 14:55.37 | beta3 | brb |
| 14:55.40 | beta3 | hopefully |
| 14:56.03 | petemc | zu22: nope |
| 14:56.08 | asg | wiz: boot with the rescue disc (as if you were going to install.) when you get to the select language part, pop over to ALT+F2, mount from there and use chroot to fix things |
| 14:56.29 | wiz | asg: I can? Awesome... |
| 14:56.38 | wiz | asg: thanks! |
| 14:56.43 | asg | wiz: np |
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| 14:57.31 | streuner | assink: ok, just install xlibmesa4-gl then |
| 14:57.39 | Bippie | hi |
| 14:57.43 | zu22 | what is this drm-4.0.x.tar.bz2 program i see on ftp.kernel.org ? |
| 14:57.51 | zu22 | petemc: ok cool |
| 14:58.05 | assink | streuner: doesn`t work |
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| 14:58.23 | streuner | assink: wth, doesn't work now? :-) |
| 14:58.39 | petemc | zu22: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev and you should be good to go |
| 14:58.56 | asg | zu22: and kernel-package (if you want to build it as a deb) |
| 14:59.02 | Xenguy | asg: I'm curious - how does chroot help with wiz's problem? |
| 14:59.03 | assink | he can`t overwrite it for some reasson |
| 14:59.08 | assink | streuner: he can`t overwrite it for some reasson |
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| 14:59.30 | asg | Xenguy: once he mounts the real partition, he can chroot into it, fix his kernel and reinstall lilo with the correct linkage |
| 14:59.36 | streuner | assink: why? |
| 14:59.40 | assink | i don`t know |
| 14:59.45 | assink | streuner: i don`t know |
| 14:59.54 | Xenguy | asg: ahh IC - good one |
| 14:59.58 | streuner | assink: you got an error? |
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| 15:00.09 | asg | Xenguy: if his keyboard doesn't work with the install kernel (which it did when he installed it) he has some hardware issues. |
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| 15:00.21 | zu22 | petemc: alrighty~ thx |
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| 15:00.49 | zu22 | asg: ok |
| 15:00.51 | assink | streuner: (E) Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:01.25 | quasimodo | How can I copy my debian partition to a new disk ??? |
| 15:01.33 | streuner | assink: which package it want overrite? |
| 15:01.44 | asg | quasimodo: dd, tar |
| 15:01.51 | paulswm | quasimodo: cp -ax |
| 15:02.02 | assink | streuner: libGL.so.1.2 |
| 15:02.18 | quasimodo | thanx |
| 15:02.21 | paulswm | quasimodo: forget that, cp -ax for copying a *filesystem* |
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| 15:03.09 | quasimodo | how do I use dd, tar for ex.??? |
| 15:03.13 | streuner | dpkg find libgl.so.1.2 |
| 15:03.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libgl.so.1.2' returned no results. |
| 15:03.36 | knight_ | I try to upgrade kernel to 2.6.1. so, make xconfig, make modules, make modules_install. But in last step, it said that I need install modules-init-tools. So i donwload it from www.kernel.org/pub/linux/blablabla. ./configure,make,make install. But when I run make modules_install, I got same error. Any idea? |
| 15:03.38 | troubled | asg: think i might have stumbled across something. The windows usb nic doesnt appear to be USB2. Its an ADM8511. That page shows its capable of negotiating 10/100, but its only usb1 at ~12mbit :( Guess that could be a problem hehe |
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| 15:04.12 | petemc | knight_: why didnt you apt-get install module-init-tools? |
| 15:04.16 | asg | quasimodo: well, dd if=/dev/hdXY of=/dev/hdZZ .. |
| 15:04.27 | streuner | knight_: woody? |
| 15:04.45 | asg | quasimodo: or tar -xzpf - | (cd /new/partition ; tar -cvf -) |
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| 15:04.50 | knight_ | woody |
| 15:05.03 | p0q | hi, a entry for win2k in menu.lst (grub) look how? |
| 15:05.07 | knight_ | because I like to compile from source |
| 15:05.15 | asg | quasimodo: doh! sorry cd /old/partition ; tar -xzpf - . | (cd /new/partition ; tar -cvf -) |
| 15:05.25 | assink | streuner: what the fuck he say no such files or directory :/ |
| 15:05.32 | asg | troubled: that is quite likely the problem :) |
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| 15:05.58 | asg | quasimodo: just forget the tar stuff I just posted (I need to wake up) |
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| 15:06.03 | streuner | assink: well, that lib you posted here doesn't exist in debian |
| 15:06.12 | asg | !lart asg |
| 15:06.19 | troubled | asg: my bad. I just checked up on his machine a bit to see. He told me it was a usb2 last night. Guess he meant the port only hehe. Oh well, ill track down a real nic for him shortly here I guess |
| 15:06.25 | p0q | asg: ? |
| 15:06.29 | streuner | knight_: apt-get.org and download an backport |
| 15:06.34 | assink | streuner: so this is weird shit here :/ |
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| 15:06.58 | streuner | assink: so fix the error in dpkg-db |
| 15:07.05 | troubled | isnt the max niceness for a process 19? :/ |
| 15:07.32 | streuner | knight_: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:07.48 | p0q | huh? |
| 15:08.56 | streuner | ~test |
| 15:08.59 | | Failed |
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| 15:09.45 | quasimodo | thanx asg!!!! |
| 15:09.50 | troubled | asg: one more question? |
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| 15:10.11 | lilliput | hi all |
| 15:10.42 | p0q | grubgrubgrub |
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| 15:11.06 | asg | troubled: yeah? |
| 15:11.25 | troubled | asg: if im getting TX errors of any kind on my machine, good change its drivers or cableing? and if its RX errors its probably another machine on the network causing correct? |
| 15:11.36 | asg | p0q: have you checked their homepage? |
| 15:11.39 | troubled | asg: cause with the 3com nic i was getting tons of rx errors, not TX |
| 15:11.58 | troubled | asg: and I cant find docs explaining what the errors in ifconfig mean |
| 15:12.13 | troubled | asg: if you could point me at a url/doc I would be most grateful |
| 15:12.20 | asg | troubled: that's likely an autonegotiation error on the 3com |
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| 15:13.12 | troubled | asg: makes sense. Its fine direct to the usb nic on the windows box now cause its 100mbit. Now were using the dlink. But we were getting some errors last night for a bit as well. Was thinking it was some other machine causing problems |
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| 15:13.36 | troubled | asg: anyways, do you know of any doc/faq that explains the dirrect frame and error numbers in ifconfig? |
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| 15:14.05 | lilliput | i have a pb running ALL my different scripts ( they were working fine ) $ ./script => bash: ./script: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied -> if I run the script as $bash ./script it's working even perl eggdrop python (...) doesn't work anymore ... |
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| 15:14.43 | lilliput | has anyone got a suggestion ..? |
| 15:14.51 | troubled | a pb? |
| 15:14.57 | asg | troubled: not off hand, other than the man page (or some of the netsat options) |
| 15:15.10 | asg | lilliput: is the script executable? |
| 15:15.13 | troubled | asg: perhaps, ill check into netstat ones |
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| 15:15.44 | lilliput | asg yes and all the different right are oki |
| 15:15.59 | asg | lilliput: show me the ls -l <scriptname> output |
| 15:16.25 | lilliput | asg as i said before they were working before |
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| 15:16.37 | lilliput | x for everyone |
| 15:16.37 | asg | lilliput: hmmm, what has changed lately? |
| 15:17.10 | lilliput | asg that's the question i don't know at all |
| 15:17.36 | asg | lilliput: are you running them on a mount with the noexec option? |
| 15:17.44 | lilliput | i just upgrade the system and install xfce4 a week ago that's all |
| 15:17.45 | troubled | lilliput: which bash, whats that say? |
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| 15:18.08 | mwilson | Is anyone else seeing an apt-listchanges breakage? It's not the ascii_lower() thing, it's a libdb "Function not implemented". No BTS report on it yet, but I don't think it's apt-listchanges that has the problem. |
| 15:18.16 | lilliput | troubled, that's not the pb |
| 15:18.24 | asg | mwilson: it worked fine for me earlier this morning |
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| 15:18.38 | mwilson | asg: Yeah, and it works fine here on another unstable box. |
| 15:18.51 | troubled | lilliput: well, if bash ./script works and ./script doesnt, and it says /bin/bash cant be found, it seems like /bin/bash moved |
| 15:19.00 | mwilson | asg: Downgrading libdb4.1 solves it on the box having the problem. |
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| 15:19.05 | asg | mwilson: actually, I didn't prompt me for to have it mailed |
| 15:19.06 | lilliput | asg /dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 15:19.13 | mwilson | asg: Which is REALLY weird. |
| 15:19.13 | troubled | lilliput: ls -l /bin/bash |
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| 15:19.24 | mwilson | Oh, I don't prompt for that either... I always have them mailed. |
| 15:19.51 | asg | mwilson: well, It used to prompt but this morning it didn't prompt and didn't mail. That's the only change I've seen though |
| 15:19.52 | lilliput | troubled, so even perl eggdrop python .. and everything else have moved but that's not the case |
| 15:20.04 | mwilson | I'm thinking it's a regression in libdb4.1, but I have no idea why the one machine has the problem, and the other one does not. |
| 15:20.20 | lilliput | troubled -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 628684 Nov 10 23:16 /bin/bash |
| 15:20.25 | mwilson | Did not prompt, and did not mail. You mean it didn't show you the changelog, either? |
| 15:20.29 | streuner | mwilson: the same here with SSL |
| 15:20.35 | troubled | lilliput: whats your path set to? |
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| 15:20.39 | mwilson | streuner: ? |
| 15:20.45 | lilliput | that's one of the first thing that i have look |
| 15:20.48 | asg | mwilson: no, it showed the changelogs but after I quit the pager, it just continued installing |
| 15:21.00 | troubled | lilliput: nm, you could run bash manually, doesnt make sense |
| 15:21.16 | streuner | mwilson: well, one box with woody is able to connect to my bank-account, the other with sid doesn't |
| 15:21.18 | troubled | lilliput: whats the shebang set to in each file? #!/bin/bash? |
| 15:21.39 | lilliput | of course |
| 15:21.41 | mwilson | streuner: Too many other variables there. |
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| 15:22.08 | troubled | lilliput: youve tried fresh logins and everything too I assume? |
| 15:22.10 | psikolog_22_ | i made a new installation (woody),in etc directory there doesnt exist "enviroment",which package provide it? |
| 15:22.11 | streuner | mwilson: yep |
| 15:22.13 | lilliput | or perl or everything else that was working before |
| 15:22.16 | mwilson | asg: I've got two other unstable boxes here I want to test it on, then I guess I'll file a bug against libdb4.1 and see what happens. |
| 15:22.35 | lilliput | troubled, but i even have a look in /etc/shells |
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| 15:22.53 | asg | mwilson: okay. I only have this one otherwise I'd help |
| 15:22.54 | lilliput | troubled, yeah same pb in root |
| 15:22.56 | troubled | lilliput: any unusal LD_PRELOAD var's set? |
| 15:23.24 | lilliput | how do i look that ..? |
| 15:23.29 | lilliput | troubled, ..? |
| 15:23.33 | troubled | lilliput: type set |
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| 15:24.17 | screetch | Hey |
| 15:24.25 | lilliput | troubled, set |grep LD ->OLDPWD=/home/lilliput/gdesklets |
| 15:24.30 | asg | lilliput: also try 'strace ./script' |
| 15:24.41 | screetch | i've got a problem : i just compiled and installed kernel 2.6.1 and since i rebooted on it i lost my system beep |
| 15:24.43 | screetch | weird |
| 15:24.59 | screetch | it isn't debian related stuff, just kernel stuff |
| 15:25.04 | asg | screetch: #kernel or #kernelnewbies on oftc.net |
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| 15:25.09 | petemc | thats a problem? |
| 15:25.13 | lilliput | asg should i install strace ..? |
| 15:25.16 | asg | petemc: sounds like a feature to me |
| 15:25.18 | asg | lilliput: yes |
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| 15:25.29 | petemc | asg: yeah :) |
| 15:25.38 | troubled | lilliput: are you running sarge or woody or sid? |
| 15:25.51 | asg | petemc: one of the first things I do on a new system is to setup an init.d to turn that shit off on all consoles :) |
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| 15:26.14 | lilliput | troubled a testing |
| 15:26.39 | tof_ | how do I know wich prog is listenning on my 8080 port? There's nothing in my /etc/inetd.conf... |
| 15:26.47 | asg | tof_: lsof, fuser |
| 15:27.02 | Bucket58 | tof_: netstat -lntp |
| 15:27.13 | troubled | lilliput: what happens when you create a small test bash script of your own in your home dir to do something simple like run whoami? |
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| 15:28.14 | tof_ | Bucket58 | asg : thanks guys! |
| 15:28.21 | asg | tof_: you're welcome |
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| 15:28.42 | findme | I I can see fonts on my monitor, but they are not as clear as a m$ system, is it because of the video driver been incorrect ? |
| 15:29.01 | asg | findme: /msg dpkg font guide (for some helpful hints) |
| 15:29.06 | lilliput | troubled, asg $strace ./script >> execve("./script", ["./script"], [/* 16 vars */]) = 0 >>> strace: exec: Permission denied |
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| 15:29.32 | sijis | i have 192MB of ram and plan to upgrade soon, is it ok to have a swap partition of 512MB? |
| 15:29.41 | troubled | lilliput: try as root? |
| 15:29.45 | lilliput | troubled, script is one of them |
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| 15:29.59 | lilliput | troubled, i tried |
| 15:30.02 | Spider210 | How come when I create a user and an apache account I get "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. " when I try to visit the site I setup? |
| 15:30.10 | lilliput | and nothing more |
| 15:30.26 | Empero | sijis, sounds ok to me |
| 15:30.27 | asg | Spider210: #apache |
| 15:30.29 | joepat | I have a sony vayo laptop and "modprobe sonypi" doesn't seem to work, when I do lsmod sonypi is marked as unused and when I do Fn+Fx to change brightness or volume nothing happens |
| 15:30.35 | Spider210 | i tried no one answers |
| 15:30.43 | joepat | anyone? |
| 15:30.44 | rahul | how did I get her? |
| 15:30.47 | rahul | er |
| 15:30.48 | rahul | here |
| 15:30.57 | rahul | I remember her, tho |
| 15:30.57 | troubled | rahul: via tcp |
| 15:30.58 | casterman | a network and ssh issue: if i get a call using ssh to my computer can i reverse the direction. meaning i want to send send comand to the calling client. is it possible? |
| 15:31.00 | asg | Spider210: perhaps their mailing lists (or google) -- also check the Indexes option in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 15:31.08 | rahul | yewah |
| 15:31.09 | asg | rahul: you woke up? |
| 15:31.11 | rahul | ow |
| 15:31.14 | tof_ | Hum, don't want to start a troll, but, if I want a more little httpd than apache, that serves cgi, what would you advice? |
| 15:31.17 | rahul | asg: almost |
| 15:31.21 | sijis | Empero thanks. |
| 15:31.33 | rahul | fuck it's cold outside |
| 15:31.44 | rahul | wtf was I doing last night |
| 15:31.44 | asg | rahul: yeah, it's in the 20's here |
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| 15:32.01 | rahul | I was in the east 50s or something |
| 15:32.12 | rahul | I remember something about lexington ave |
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| 15:32.28 | casterman | i am trying to take control of a remote linux box the user can ssh to me but firewall i can not ssh him. ideas please? |
| 15:32.29 | troubled | rahul: you drunk |
| 15:32.31 | asg | tof_: thy maybe |
| 15:32.36 | rahul | and some random people I met |
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| 15:32.45 | rahul | I went with them somewhere or something |
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| 15:32.53 | asg | casterman: does it fail or just hang? |
| 15:32.58 | lilliput | troubled, asg, any idea ..? |
| 15:33.05 | rahul | troubled: me waas very drungk |
| 15:33.06 | kc9ddi | Are there any docs on making a Knoppix-style live CD? |
| 15:33.12 | asg | rahul: wake up, you're dreaming to stdout |
| 15:33.19 | troubled | rahul: sound like you still are :) |
| 15:33.23 | rahul | no I'm hanging over |
| 15:33.28 | rahul | to stderr :P |
| 15:33.34 | asg | lilliput: that sounds very odd |
| 15:33.36 | petemc | kc9ddi: morphix is easier to remaster afaik, maybe look at that |
| 15:33.38 | rahul | troubled: yeah, I think so |
| 15:33.46 | rahul | I can still taste the wild turkey |
| 15:33.47 | asg | lilliput: what does 'ls -ld /' say? |
| 15:33.51 | troubled | lilliput: cant think of anything :( |
| 15:33.53 | dendrite | You guys know everything... Where can I find out if the regular consumer "D" cells available in the US are also commonly available in Japan? |
| 15:33.58 | rahul | I can't remember payting at bar nine :P |
| 15:34.01 | asg | rahul: ouch, drink a beer. That'll clear things up |
| 15:34.17 | rahul | asg: I had that before and after |
| 15:34.23 | kc9ddi | petemc: I'd like to do it from scratch, if possible. I was looking for a HOWTO or something. I'll check morphix though |
| 15:34.34 | asg | rahul: keep drinking, its the best way to cure that hangover |
| 15:34.34 | troubled | lilliput: you could create a quick user account for me and I could ssh in and play around quickly myself :) |
| 15:34.36 | lilliput | asg > drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 Jan 8 11:54 / |
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| 15:34.37 | rahul | ooooh.... shots |
| 15:34.51 | rahul | it's all the bartender's and the waitress's fault |
| 15:34.52 | asg | lilliput: hmmm, okay. |
| 15:35.08 | asg | rahul: nah, they just facilitate your desires |
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| 15:35.35 | rahul | first the bartender does a shot of tequila with me and then the waitress comes along and asks for a shot and the bartender gives me another shot of cuervo |
| 15:35.50 | rahul | within an hour |
| 15:35.57 | asg | rahul: hah |
| 15:36.12 | asg | rahul: greasing the wheels of commerce |
| 15:36.22 | rahul | I have no clue how I got to that other bar |
| 15:36.30 | rahul | asg: all I paid for was the cab ride home from the bar on lex |
| 15:36.37 | troubled | rahul: the alcohol fairy give you a lift |
| 15:36.40 | rahul | someone paid for my beer there |
| 15:36.49 | jtis | Have any of you heard about any plans for letting Xfree86 4.3 into unstable? |
| 15:36.49 | casterman | i am trying to take control of a remote linux box the user can ssh to me but firewall i can not ssh him connection time out. ideas please? |
| 15:36.51 | troubled | rahul: ya, your wallet did heh |
| 15:36.59 | asg | rahul: nice, hope you don't end up on Penix's gamp site |
| 15:37.08 | rahul | I think I tried to give them 3 dollars or something when they were figuring out the tip |
| 15:37.14 | rahul | troubled: hgeh |
| 15:37.17 | troubled | casterman: which end is the firewall on, his or yours? |
| 15:37.22 | casterman | his |
| 15:37.23 | asg | casterman: does it fail or hang? |
| 15:37.25 | rahul | I'm shivering |
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| 15:37.30 | troubled | casterman: tell him to fix it then |
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| 15:37.56 | troubled | rahul: are you dressed still, or did you arrive at home completly naked again? |
| 15:37.59 | asg | jtis: wir |
| 15:38.04 | rahul | HEH |
| 15:38.10 | rahul | I am currently fully dressed |
| 15:38.22 | rahul | although my belt is on the floor |
| 15:38.23 | troubled | rahul: well, at least you didnt loose your clothes again this time ;) |
| 15:38.25 | asg | rahul: you sound like an infocomm game :) |
| 15:38.33 | rahul | hahaha |
| 15:38.36 | troubled | rofl asg |
| 15:38.38 | casterman | his is not network expert can not change the corporate policy. but he can ssh to me then i can help him |
| 15:38.49 | asg | rahul: make sure to get the buffered analgesic from your bathrobe |
| 15:38.55 | rahul | heh |
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| 15:39.02 | rahul | I just need water |
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| 15:39.25 | troubled | casterman: tell him to setup some ssh tunnels and try login using those somehow perhaps? ssh over ssh I mean |
| 15:39.26 | lilliput | asg humm.. what was that meaning ..? |
| 15:39.30 | rahul | wow, I completely passed out in front of my computer... |
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| 15:39.41 | asg | lilliput: what what? |
| 15:39.42 | troubled | rahul: home sweet home |
| 15:39.49 | rahul | zoof showed up, and I don't even remember it |
| 15:39.53 | asg | rahul: I've done that too many times |
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| 15:40.00 | troubled | rahul: the cab driver log you in too? :) |
| 15:40.07 | rahul | heh |
| 15:40.10 | lilliput | u said ... hummm |
| 15:40.13 | asg | troubled: the better question is whether the cabbie is still in his bed |
| 15:40.18 | troubled | heh |
| 15:40.20 | rahul | :O |
| 15:40.26 | lilliput | were u thinkimg to a tricky pb ..? |
| 15:40.31 | asg | lilliput: just a thought I had (from experience with chroots) |
| 15:40.40 | troubled | rahul: quick, go double check that you didnt do something you'll regret telling us about |
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| 15:40.47 | rahul | heh |
| 15:40.48 | asg | lilliput: but since you can't get it to work as root, it wasn't likely to be the problem |
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| 15:41.01 | rahul | troubled: my ass isn't in pain |
| 15:41.01 | troubled | lilliput: give me a shell, ill take a lok |
| 15:41.09 | daniel__ | hi again .. my sendmail doesnt seem to work ,, en debian |
| 15:41.09 | troubled | rahul: how about the cabbie's? |
| 15:41.14 | rahul | HEH |
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| 15:41.18 | daniel__ | i dont see /etc/mail |
| 15:41.19 | daniel__ | dir |
| 15:41.31 | daniel__ | is it ok in debian ? |
| 15:41.32 | rahul | daniel__: so install sendmail |
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| 15:41.45 | rahul | daniel__: install what you want to install. |
| 15:41.46 | daniel__ | thereis a /sbin/sendmail |
| 15:41.47 | petemc | or use exim |
| 15:41.51 | lilliput | troubled, i cant' i firewalled and don't have a root acces to the fw |
| 15:41.52 | daniel__ | so i think is there |
| 15:41.59 | daniel__ | or am i wrong ? |
| 15:42.01 | asg | daniel__: that's a link from exim for backwards compatibility |
| 15:42.10 | daniel__ | ok |
| 15:42.14 | daniel__ | thanks |
| 15:42.19 | asg | daniel__: the conf is in /etc/exim (or use eximconfig) |
| 15:42.22 | troubled | lilliput: cool. probably nothing i could find out that you havent already told me though |
| 15:42.48 | asg | lilliput: have you googled for your *exact* error? |
| 15:42.55 | troubled | lilliput: im curious why you cant strace though |
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| 15:43.06 | rahul | hmm, I wrote my cell number on my business card, but I couldn't figure out to give that chick that card instead of a fresh card |
| 15:43.14 | lilliput | yep nothing more |
| 15:43.25 | rahul | actually, I think I remembered that I did that, but couldn't remember where I put that card |
| 15:43.47 | rahul | of course, it was rifght in my jacket [ocket |
| 15:43.55 | asg | lilliput: you're not running a kernel with some security patches or anything |
| 15:44.02 | troubled | lilliput: can you strace something else like: strace ls |
| 15:44.22 | lilliput | jsut a std one |
| 15:44.33 | lilliput | just a stanndard one that i get from apt-get |
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| 15:44.44 | rimy | When trying to do a make-kpkg modules-image --rootcmd fakeroot, it runs debian/clean without faD[D[D[Dkeroot, which fails. His this supposed to work? |
| 15:44.53 | troubled | lilliput: can you strace anything normal besides scripts though? |
| 15:44.55 | rahul | be carefil about stds |
| 15:44.55 | rimy | Er, ignore the funky chars. |
| 15:45.01 | troubled | hehe |
| 15:45.04 | asg | rahul: haha |
| 15:45.05 | troubled | ~lart rahul |
| 15:45.12 | lilliput | troubled, i think so yeah |
| 15:45.15 | rahul | rimy: fakeroot make-kpkg .... |
| 15:45.22 | rahul | rimy: that way works for me :) |
| 15:45.27 | rahul | ,mmmmm vaxen |
| 15:45.27 | troubled | lilliput: so you can confirm this? |
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| 15:45.45 | rimy | rahul: What good is --rootcmd, then? :P |
| 15:45.49 | asg | ~punish popular music |
| 15:45.53 | rahul | rimy: no clue |
| 15:45.55 | lilliput | strace ls finish by this line> exit_group(0) = ? |
| 15:46.00 | rahul | popuoar ,usick? |
| 15:46.08 | rahul | and aftershocks |
| 15:46.22 | troubled | lilliput: did it dirplay a bunch of junk instead of permission denied? |
| 15:46.25 | asg | !punish apt |
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| 15:46.40 | rahul | :O |
| 15:46.54 | lilliput | troubled, not at all |
| 15:47.03 | asg | troubled: s/junk/informative strace output/ :p |
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| 15:47.12 | lilliput | troubled just 2 line |
| 15:47.20 | rahul | oh shit, my parents are coming soon |
| 15:47.23 | rahul | I think |
| 15:47.29 | rahul | my whole family, actually |
| 15:47.31 | lilliput | but for ls there is plenty of them |
| 15:47.54 | rahul | the tickets to the travel expo in my shirt pocket remoinded me :P |
| 15:47.57 | troubled | asg: touche |
| 15:48.08 | blal | I would like to cache DNS lookups so that lookups for, for example, www.google.com will return immediate results. If you will pardon the lack of proper technical terms, I want Squid, only for DNS. What are my options? |
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| 15:48.31 | rahul | heh |
| 15:48.33 | asg | blal: nscd |
| 15:48.35 | lilliput | ;) |
| 15:48.40 | rahul | blal: DNS isn't HTTP |
| 15:48.51 | rahul | blal: run dnsmasq or something |
| 15:49.03 | troubled | lilliput: im thinking the fact that strace said permission denian might have something to do with it. I can strace scripts on my box fine as a normal user. Yet yours wont let you do scripts. And oddly enough your scripts arent running |
| 15:49.03 | rahul | (and use it) |
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| 15:49.08 | blal | rahul: Correct. DNS is different. |
| 15:49.25 | rahul | blal: so why does squid cache dns? |
| 15:49.27 | troubled | lilliput: and you said your fs's werent mounted with any noexec options? all default? |
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| 15:49.39 | asg | blal: or run bind locally as a caching nameserver |
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| 15:50.08 | InfiniteEcho | What does Unable to prase package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) mean? How do I fix it? |
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| 15:50.18 | blal | asg: rahul: Thanks for the recommendations. |
| 15:50.26 | lilliput | troubled, yep |
| 15:50.33 | asg | lilliput: try 'lsattr ./script' |
| 15:50.50 | rahul | fucking hell. wjhat is iup with this lack of heating |
| 15:50.58 | zergouille__ | how can I have the manpages for the libc ? |
| 15:51.01 | troubled | rahul: go snuggle with the cabbie, gotta keep each other warm on the cold days |
| 15:51.04 | blal | asg: Is bind easy enough to configure as a caching name server? |
| 15:51.05 | rahul | heh |
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| 15:51.08 | rahul | dumbass |
| 15:51.13 | asg | blal: yes, it is pretty straight forward |
| 15:51.14 | rahul | ~penixstrike troubled |
| 15:51.18 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:51.23 | asg | troubled: :) |
| 15:51.41 | InfiniteEcho | What does Unable to prase package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) mean? How do I fix it? |
| 15:51.46 | ljlane | InfiniteEcho: try /var/lib/dpkg/status-old or one in /var/backups/ |
| 15:51.47 | rahul | kaefee? TROUbLED! |
| 15:51.49 | blal | asg: Cool. |
| 15:51.58 | InfiniteEcho | Where do I change that though? |
| 15:52.02 | iostream | I have som licensing questions so i hope this is not too much off topic. 1) Am I free to choose whatever license i want for my PHP/MySQL applications? 2) If I write a program in c++ and use Trolltech's QT what restrictions apply. - I have no intention to distribute neither of the two [programs]. |
| 15:52.17 | ljlane | InfiniteEcho: with the cp command |
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| 15:52.24 | InfiniteEcho | I did change it |
| 15:52.27 | InfiniteEcho | and it still says that |
| 15:52.31 | InfiniteEcho | I tried that alreadfy |
| 15:52.33 | InfiniteEcho | *already |
| 15:52.33 | ljlane | InfiniteEcho: never mind |
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| 15:52.38 | poppor | anyone knows where I find the configuration file for ftpd ? |
| 15:52.38 | asg | iostream: if you don't distribute, you should not have to worry about licensing |
| 15:53.04 | asg | poppor: which ftpd are you using? |
| 15:53.07 | iostream | asg: Okay. |
| 15:53.10 | lilliput | asg >> lsattr ./script >>> ----------------- ./script |
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| 15:53.12 | blal | iostream: But what if you're raided by the feds? :P |
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| 15:53.21 | asg | lilliput: k, that's fine then. |
| 15:53.34 | poppor | asq: the one that came with debian |
| 15:53.41 | iostream | blal: Heh? Well, in my country there's no feds :P |
| 15:53.43 | poppor | I don't know its name ? |
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| 15:54.15 | asg | poppor: oh, I don't think that has one (it's pretty basic.) Use purftpd or proftpd if you need some extravagant configuration |
| 15:54.57 | InfiniteEcho | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:55.00 | asg | poppor: to be sure, do a 'dpkg -S ftpd && dpkg -L <package returned by previous cmd> | less |
| 15:55.04 | InfiniteEcho | aside from cp-ing another file? |
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| 15:55.35 | lilliput | i was just asking me who is responsible to run the #! line ..? |
| 15:55.38 | poppor | asg: when users create files in my ftp server the "chmod" is 750 I want to change it to 755 |
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| 15:56.04 | indes | poppor: depends on the ftpd |
| 15:56.08 | asg | poppor: there might be an FTPUMASK env or standard UMASK (check the manpage for ftpd) |
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| 15:56.34 | poppor | asg: yepp.. that's what I was looking for hehe ok thanks |
| 15:56.39 | asg | poppor: you're welcome |
| 15:57.00 | blal | iostream: Wow. |
| 15:57.00 | InfiniteEcho | asg: Do you have any idea what might be going wrong with my package listing file .. its there, I can less it and it comes up fine, but it seems like the apt-get is looking for a status (1) or something? |
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| 15:57.29 | asg | InfiniteEcho: what was your error again? |
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| 15:57.42 | InfiniteEcho | Unable to prase package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) |
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| 15:58.16 | rahul | wow, I really had to [poss |
| 15:58.19 | rahul | er piss |
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| 15:58.34 | rahul | InfiniteEcho: copy status.1 to status |
| 15:58.44 | rahul | InfiniteEcho: and don't use broken packages ever again |
| 15:58.49 | InfiniteEcho | lol |
| 15:58.55 | InfiniteEcho | I don't see a packages.1 |
| 15:58.58 | rahul | loooool |
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| 15:59.05 | rahul | I didn't say packages.1 |
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| 15:59.15 | InfiniteEcho | er |
| 15:59.18 | InfiniteEcho | status.1 |
| 15:59.25 | rahul | loll around, loll ar9ound, loll up loll up and loll down |
| 15:59.35 | InfiniteEcho | i have status and status-old |
| 15:59.41 | rahul | ok, so use that |
| 15:59.44 | InfiniteEcho | i tried that |
| 15:59.46 | InfiniteEcho | doesn't work |
| 15:59.48 | asg | InfiniteEcho: what is the diff between status and status-old |
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| 15:59.51 | InfiniteEcho | get the same error |
| 15:59.52 | rahul | you broke it, then |
| 15:59.56 | InfiniteEcho | Nothing |
| 16:00.01 | InfiniteEcho | asg: they are the same |
| 16:00.02 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.53 | InfiniteEcho | backups is empty |
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| 16:01.02 | InfiniteEcho | this is a brand new install |
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| 16:04.11 | chemicallyrelian | whats the name of hte debian bootloader? |
| 16:04.30 | InfiniteEcho | asg: do you have any ideas? |
| 16:05.03 | InfiniteEcho | is there a way that I can have it rebuild a status file or something like that? |
| 16:06.08 | lilliput | asg is there a rtfm that i could read to find a way ..? |
| 16:06.30 | caphuso | chemicallyrelian: which one of the bootloaders in debian do you mean? |
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| 16:07.22 | quasimodo | built a 2.4.22 kernel which finds my new hde=80GB during the bootprocess and my old hda="with the debian system".but I can't mount the hde from the hda (&vise versa) or even do "cfdisk /dev/hde" from my hda where my debian is on it.----Any sugestions ?? |
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| 16:07.48 | sgeigerbot | An xterm starts up when I start up KDE. How do I control or prevent that? I have an empty .xinitrc |
| 16:07.57 | robert_ | Anybody here with experience in XFS? |
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| 16:08.40 | caphuso | robert_: the filesystem or the font server? |
| 16:08.42 | asg | lilliput: I can't think of one off hand. I'd try to determine what changed on your system (or maybe check the BTS since you are using testing.) |
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| 16:09.15 | ChrysalisM | what the hells of font server anyways |
| 16:09.21 | bahadunn | anyone know of a open source computer diagnostic software that you can boot and run tests on various hardware components like hard drives, cpu, etc.? |
| 16:09.22 | asg | InfiniteEcho: look at the file and see if there is anything obviously wrong |
| 16:09.22 | lilliput | bts ..? |
| 16:09.29 | asg | lilliput: /msg dpkg bst |
| 16:09.31 | asg | lilliput: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:09.41 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: man 7 X |
| 16:09.48 | ChrysalisM | man X |
| 16:10.01 | ChrysalisM | im just kidding |
| 16:10.03 | ChrysalisM | care to explain |
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| 16:10.36 | asg | sgeigerbot: are you using kdm? |
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| 16:11.17 | asg | ChrysalisM: a font server is used to provide fonts over the network to X clients (and local X servers as well.) |
| 16:11.19 | robert_ | caphuso: Sorry for not making that clear, the file system. |
| 16:11.34 | sgeigerbot | asg: yes |
| 16:11.37 | asg | ChrysalisM: it's mostly not used anymore since X version 4 has builtin for rendering support |
| 16:11.41 | ChrysalisM | why store them on the server is what i want to know |
| 16:12.14 | asg | sgeigerbot: put 'startkde' in ~/.xsession |
| 16:12.14 | ChrysalisM | jk |
| 16:12.23 | caphuso | ChrysalisM: why would you now want them to store on a server? why waste space on possibly hundreds of clients to install fonts if you can have them in one central place instead? |
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| 16:12.48 | zu22 | moo |
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| 16:12.48 | sgeigerbot | asg: It's actually Konsole that starts up...but it is opening on the a virtual console other than the one I see first when KDE starts up. |
| 16:12.48 | ChrysalisM | how many fonts does one needc |
| 16:13.02 | caphuso | ChrysalisM: run 'xlsfonts | wc -l' |
| 16:13.06 | asg | sgeigerbot: hmm odd. I'm not a kde user but perhaps #debian-kde knows |
| 16:13.51 | zu22 | asg: what would i put in .xsession to start gnome2 without using GDM? and how can i start up some wm (twm for example) and then start gnome2 when i want to (ie not in .xsession)? |
| 16:14.02 | asg | zu22: 'exec gnome-session' |
| 16:14.04 | InfiniteEcho | asg: Is there a way for debian to build a new status file? |
| 16:14.15 | ChrysalisM | nope |
| 16:14.15 | caphuso | InfiniteEcho: by reinstalling |
| 16:14.24 | InfiniteEcho | shit |
| 16:14.37 | ChrysalisM | fuck it then |
| 16:15.08 | quasimodo | booting from hda disk , but can't mount mz new hde disk///help!! |
| 16:15.14 | asg | zu22: or update-alternatives x-window-manager and x-session-manager |
| 16:15.16 | streuner | Where is 'status-old'? |
| 16:15.28 | caphuso | streuner: /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
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| 16:15.44 | ChrysalisM | thats your only hope |
| 16:15.51 | streuner | caphuso: yes, of course, but renaming would be an alternative |
| 16:16.01 | asg | streuner: he claims the two are the same |
| 16:16.12 | streuner | heh |
| 16:16.22 | ChrysalisM | i had one go missing one time what happent to it |
| 16:16.25 | asg | InfiniteEcho: using woody? |
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| 16:17.13 | ChrysalisM | i am pretty sure i deleted it but i dont remember |
| 16:17.16 | quasimodo | yes |
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| 16:17.52 | ChrysalisM | talk about a lot of lurkers |
| 16:18.07 | asg | InfiniteEcho: |
| 16:18.14 | InfiniteEcho | Yes? |
| 16:18.15 | asg | InfiniteEcho: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 16:18.26 | asg | InfiniteEcho: might be helpful (I haven't tested it though so YMMV) |
| 16:18.32 | asg | ChrysalisM: many are sleeping |
| 16:18.55 | ChrysalisM | thats pretty nifty that you can recover a partition nowadays |
| 16:19.02 | ChrysalisM | if otherwise deleted |
| 16:19.08 | ChrysalisM | table |
| 16:19.49 | asg | ChrysalisM: are you going to start making sense any time soon or are you just Dreaming to STDOUT like rahul was earlier? |
| 16:19.52 | nixman_ | anyone used dia ? the tool is so good at acting as uml editor except it does not allow me to open and/or drill down a package and see the classes inside |
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| 16:20.04 | ChrysalisM | just dreaming |
| 16:20.24 | da_ | *STDIN |
| 16:20.45 | ChrysalisM | \/dev/null |
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| 16:21.37 | zu22 | asg: ok thx! |
| 16:22.03 | asg | zu22: you're welcome |
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| 16:22.56 | ChrysalisM | technically you dont need a status file if its already installed |
| 16:22.58 | asg | beta3: how'd it go? |
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| 16:23.05 | ChrysalisM | and you know what you want |
| 16:23.10 | beta3 | asg: the kernel is fine, ipv6 is a bitch |
| 16:23.13 | zu22 | !stats |
| 16:23.13 | dpkg | Since Thu Jan 8 18:53:21 2004, there have been 7 modifications, 531 questions, 188 dunnos, 5 morons and 207 commands. I have been awake for 1d 21h 29m 52s this session, and currently reference 22903 factoids. I'm using about 16464 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 235.16/13.9 child 406.37/26.44 |
| 16:23.25 | ChrysalisM | fuck it then |
| 16:23.40 | asg | beta3: hmmm, haven't had a need for ipv6 yet |
| 16:23.49 | ljlane | rebuilding the status file: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 16:23.59 | ChrysalisM | whats the predicted runout of ip addressess anyways |
| 16:24.02 | asg | ljlane: I sent him there |
| 16:24.16 | asg | ljlane: I'd forgotten about that earlier :) |
| 16:24.17 | ChrysalisM | 2015 or some shit |
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| 16:25.07 | Helder | hello |
| 16:25.10 | b0ef | when I flac encode source files from cdparanoia wav's I sometimes get "error: got partial sample" and unable to complete the encoding. Is there some fixing I can do to the wav? |
| 16:25.25 | asg | Helder: hiya |
| 16:25.34 | Helder | hello asg |
| 16:25.37 | ljlane | asg, ah |
| 16:25.46 | Helder | where are U from? |
| 16:25.48 | b0ef | when I flac encode source files from cdparanoia wav's I sometimes get "error: got partial sample" and unable to complete the encoding. Is there some fixing I can do to the wav? |
| 16:26.04 | asg | ljlane: haven't heard back from him yet though so he might be okay |
| 16:26.04 | petemc | b |
| 16:26.06 | petemc | oops |
| 16:26.08 | ChrysalisM | dunno |
| 16:26.15 | asg | Helder: we are from all over the world |
| 16:26.17 | petemc | beta3: what exactly is wrong with ipv6? |
| 16:26.29 | beta3 | petemc: the tunnel crap |
| 16:26.29 | joe6pack | Can someone help me find out why the font "Courier" just won't show in Mozilla Firebird, Opera and practically every other app I have? What can be wrong? |
| 16:26.33 | ChrysalisM | dont ask |
| 16:26.41 | petemc | beta3: ipip? |
| 16:26.45 | beta3 | no |
| 16:26.53 | beta3 | like Ip6 in v |
| 16:26.54 | beta3 | v4 |
| 16:27.02 | petemc | yes, that use ipip |
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| 16:27.11 | Spl0it | my apt-get update is erroring on stable,testing and unstable, am I using a broken mirror, is somethign screwed up or is it because a server is down? |
| 16:27.13 | ChrysalisM | fuck ipv6 |
| 16:27.18 | beta3 | petemc: no its not |
| 16:27.25 | beta3 | ipip is a completely different implementation |
| 16:27.40 | asg | ChrysalisM: if you are going to disparage things in here, I suggest you backup your statements with facts |
| 16:27.41 | ChrysalisM | dont give me that academic purposes shit |
| 16:27.44 | Helder | I'm from Miami FL USA |
| 16:27.51 | petemc | its what i always used in 2.4 |
| 16:27.55 | xpato | how i load the fb device if i compiled it as a module? |
| 16:28.14 | ChrysalisM | like im going to debate ipv6 |
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| 16:28.28 | ChrysalisM | fine your right |
| 16:28.33 | ChrysalisM | sorry |
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| 16:29.10 | ChrysalisM | tcp was the only protocol that they ever got right |
| 16:29.11 | asg | xpato: modprobe <module> |
| 16:29.15 | godless | I'm having problems getting the PVR 350 to run, I'm using knoppmythtv, how do I tune for channels ? |
| 16:29.19 | Spl0it | any suggestions for W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)??? getting craploads of errors ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:29.33 | asg | godless: #knoppix or the mythtv lists and website |
| 16:29.34 | ChrysalisM | them |
| 16:29.42 | xpato | asg: at boot time i meant |
| 16:29.45 | pete_ | Linux petelap 2.6.1-mm1 #2 Sat Jan 10 11:31:31 GMT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:29.45 | Kraig | Spl0it: apt-get update |
| 16:29.51 | pete_ | seems to work here |
| 16:29.56 | asg | xpato: you'll need to build an initrd image (or compile it into your kernel) |
| 16:30.04 | Spl0it | kraig thats where I'm getting these 4 pages of errors |
| 16:30.44 | Kraig | Spl0it: apt-get check |
| 16:31.01 | Spl0it | kraig 1 page full of those errors |
| 16:31.01 | asg | Spl0it: check your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 16:31.14 | Spl0it | asg I have been I'm using ftp.us.debian.org ... |
| 16:31.17 | muaddib | I am running debian sparc unstable version and I am trying to compile kernel 2.4.23 but when I run make menuconfig it freezes at parsing................... and nothing happens I mean no menu appears. THe only thing I can do is press ctrl C and exit |
| 16:31.20 | Helder | a lot of people here |
| 16:31.27 | asg | Spl0it: then wait a few, it is possible the mirror is down |
| 16:31.30 | Helder | but just a few talking |
| 16:31.41 | petemc | beta3: ipv6 in ipv4 tunnels seem to work fine here |
| 16:31.43 | asg | Helder: yes, we are very popular (and international so many people are asleep) |
| 16:31.51 | ChrysalisM | how come the damn package server is down |
| 16:31.53 | Spl0it | asg: other people are telling me its working, and its been like this for a week.. did something bork over here on my end? |
| 16:32.01 | ChrysalisM | still |
| 16:32.28 | asg | Spl0it: possibly; paste that 1 source line and we'll see |
| 16:32.40 | asg | ChrysalisM: /topic |
| 16:32.47 | Helder | hey what OS are U using?? |
| 16:32.49 | ChrysalisM | dont whine |
| 16:32.56 | Spl0it | asg: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 16:33.03 | asg | Helder: we all use Debian |
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| 16:33.15 | Helder | I'm not |
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| 16:33.32 | mentor | ChrysalisM: Lesson 1: Take own advice. |
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| 16:33.35 | Helder | I use other shit?? |
| 16:33.42 | asg | Spl0it: remove the /pub/ |
| 16:33.43 | ChrysalisM | i know |
| 16:33.48 | ChrysalisM | peanut linux aint bad |
| 16:33.50 | Spl0it | asg: thas |
| 16:33.51 | Spl0it | er thx |
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| 16:34.16 | atilaX | esssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssos |
| 16:34.18 | atilaX | uy |
| 16:34.25 | Helder | this chat is getting bored |
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| 16:34.28 | mentor | atilaX: Thanks for that. |
| 16:34.34 | ChrysalisM | is boring huh |
| 16:34.40 | petemc | they're all out today |
| 16:34.42 | Kraig | then go away |
| 16:34.42 | mentor | oh. fucking rima-tde.net people. |
| 16:34.43 | ChrysalisM | boatloads of lurkers everthing |
| 16:34.45 | asg | Helder: perhaps #hotub or #initgame will be more to your liking |
| 16:34.49 | ChrysalisM | they tell me to check the topic |
| 16:35.10 | Helder | hey asg what's that?? |
| 16:35.15 | ChrysalisM | i demand a recount |
| 16:35.21 | asg | Helder: on efnet (original timewasting irc channels) |
| 16:35.23 | petemc | ChrysalisM: you realise you look like an idiot blathering away to yourself |
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| 16:35.36 | Spl0it | asg: thanks, works fine now, did pub used to exist and got removed? |
| 16:35.36 | ChrysalisM | thats ok you have nothing i take it |
| 16:35.44 | mentor | petemc: He is an idiot blathering away to himself... |
| 16:35.45 | asg | Helder: freenode is used mostly for open source projects and their support channels (as this one) |
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| 16:35.51 | ChrysalisM | its better this way |
| 16:36.00 | petemc | mentor: :) |
| 16:36.01 | asg | Spl0it: the ftpsite uses a pub but the debian source doesn't need it |
| 16:36.07 | asg | mentor: thanks |
| 16:36.20 | Helder | nice |
| 16:36.20 | ChrysalisM | my debian works just fine |
| 16:36.20 | Spl0it | asg: ah ok thanks |
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| 16:36.28 | ChrysalisM | no complaints |
| 16:36.35 | asg | Spl0it: you're welcome |
| 16:36.47 | Helder | were can I find a Linux vercion of partition magic or asimilar tool |
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| 16:37.03 | asg | Helder: GNU Parted (google for it) |
| 16:37.12 | petemc | Helder: parted does some of the things partition magic does |
| 16:37.12 | mentor | Helder: parted? |
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| 16:37.20 | ChrysalisM | that nifty windows 2000 password resetter for the ntfs driver is pretty nifty |
| 16:37.27 | Helder | ok |
| 16:37.39 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!~cone@251.Red-217-127-103.pooles.rima-tde.net] by mentor |
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| 16:38.09 | Helder | I'm using knoppix right know |
| 16:38.21 | asg | Helder: then perhaps #knoppix would be a better forum for your questions |
| 16:38.34 | Vicious | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.39 | Vicious | ? |
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| 16:38.46 | Vicious | fscked it ! |
| 16:38.46 | ChrysalisM | whatever dude |
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| 16:38.55 | ChrysalisM | dont give me a hard time |
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| 16:39.33 | Helder | knoppix it's fucking empty |
| 16:39.34 | ChrysalisM | ever since that font server shit |
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| 16:39.42 | petemc | Ignoring ALL from ChrysalisM |
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| 16:40.19 | Vicious | ah well, back to the ethersleep |
| 16:40.20 | mentor | ChrysalisM: I think it would better serve the channel if we lost your wandering line of consciousness and had a specific question. |
| 16:40.31 | ChrysalisM | this channel gets boring now that it works ok |
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| 16:40.45 | ChrysalisM | whats your question ask |
| 16:41.12 | ChrysalisM | try to stump me and increase your integrity |
| 16:41.28 | Helder | Hey vicious |
| 16:41.29 | ChrysalisM | its ok |
| 16:41.40 | Helder | U do ether ?? |
| 16:42.18 | gravity | Hmmm... /topic needs a change |
| 16:42.21 | gravity | http://www.livejournal.com/users/djpig/1774.html |
| 16:42.27 | ChrysalisM | im serving the channel with the gift of text |
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| 16:42.59 | mentor | ChrysalisM: Yeah, Thanks, we don't want it. |
| 16:43.07 | asg | gravity: perhaps but the 'search feature' is what people mostly use it for (and it isn't working) |
| 16:43.14 | ChrysalisM | what do you want then you boring fuck |
| 16:43.15 | gravity | asg: True, but it's an update |
| 16:43.24 | ChrysalisM | some bitch ass linux question |
| 16:43.31 | asg | gravity: it is, ask mentor to add an addendum |
| 16:43.40 | mentor | asg, gravity: was just looking. |
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| 16:44.00 | gravity | mentor: Cool, thanks |
| 16:44.02 | piem | is chrysalix a bot ? |
| 16:44.11 | nvz | whats the 2.6 ramdisk thing about is that only if you use initrd? |
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| 16:44.13 | asg | piem: not the bots are semi-intelligent |
| 16:44.15 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!~asdf@65.125.159.138] by mentor |
| 16:44.17 | mentor | shush. |
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| 16:44.26 | asg | nvz: for the sid 2.6.0-1-* kernel images |
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| 16:44.49 | piem | asg: is he more than semi ? :) |
| 16:44.52 | nvz | asg: oh.. I didnt know there were packages.. well I doesnt apply to me |
| 16:45.12 | asg | piem: *shrug* still indeterminable :) |
| 16:45.27 | asg | nvz: other than that and some other issues, they work pretty well so far |
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| 16:45.41 | joe6pack | Does someone know the right program to attach a file to an email from the terminal aka. somethign like: command file|mail user@domain -s "subj" |
| 16:45.58 | asg | joe6pack: echo 'blah' | mutt -s 'subject' -a <file> <recipient> |
| 16:46.00 | nvz | asg: my custom one works just fine.. I'll leave the testing of those to someone else |
| 16:46.07 | joe6pack | asg: thx |
| 16:46.09 | asg | nvz: yeah |
| 16:46.12 | asg | joe6pack: you're welcome |
| 16:46.15 | gravity | Heh. Cool trick |
| 16:46.32 | asg | gravity: it comes in handy |
| 16:46.37 | zu22 | woo i was in middle of 28 MB kernel download (dialup) when the link suddenly was broken but mozilla seems to have been caching my download and i was able to resume where it left off! MOZILLA YOU ARE THE BEST! Internet Explorer is crap compared to it :) woo! |
| 16:46.47 | Ofloo | kernel compile question do i have to patch the kernel to have ipv6 cause ive read several howtos and they all refer to "Network options > the ipv6 protocol" checked like 50 times its not there ..? |
| 16:46.52 | joe6pack | asg: Can I somehow do it without using 'mutt' but 'mail' instead? |
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| 16:46.55 | *** topic/#debian by mentor -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages - http://www.livejournal.com/users/djpig/1774.html || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here [/topic #flood] |
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| 16:47.11 | asg | joe6pack: maybe using some mime tools |
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| 16:47.17 | gravity | mentor: Great, thank you |
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| 16:47.31 | asg | joe6pack: mutt isn't very large though and runs on practically an Unix system |
| 16:47.44 | mentor | ~ping |
| 16:47.46 | | pong |
| 16:47.50 | mentor | hmm. |
| 16:47.53 | zu22 | ~poop |
| 16:47.55 | | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 16:47.59 | asg | mentor: he still lagging? |
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| 16:48.01 | sandman | zu22: Why? |
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| 16:48.14 | mentor | asg: Is in pm. |
| 16:48.24 | nvz | could anyone recommend something I could record my guitar with and have it perhaps encode and save to a more compressed format than wav? Audacity records choppy as my pc is too slow for the visuals, gnome-sound-recorder works well, but saves to wav takes up alot of space.. for some reason I cant get sox to record from ossdsp, might have something to do with the OSS Emulation, who knows. |
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| 16:48.25 | mentor | ~2.6 ramdisk |
| 16:48.27 | | 2.6 ramdisk is, like, Add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 16:48.48 | tobehz` | nvz: why not encode it after? |
| 16:48.49 | asg | mentor: ah, okay |
| 16:48.52 | Ofloo | also what module must i install to have this ip_alias |
| 16:49.08 | nvz | tobehz`: what do you reccommend oggenc? |
| 16:49.14 | sandman | Why does apt start out its definitions with "<topic> is, like, <answer>" lol |
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| 16:49.35 | sandman | apt sounds like it's been smoking too much dope =) |
| 16:49.37 | | bugger all, i dunno, sandman |
| 16:49.40 | coolnewbie | where can i get development files for libxslt1.1 |
| 16:49.49 | tobehz` | nvz: not sure, just a posible suggestion as to escape requiring the wav files to listen, just reencode and delete them afterwards |
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| 16:50.05 | asg | coolnewbie: look for the -dev package for the library |
| 16:50.20 | mentor | sandman: primitive personality? |
| 16:50.21 | nvz | tobehz`: yeah I may do that.. using something that pipes to an encoder as it comes in may affect the recording quality on a slow system |
| 16:50.23 | asg | sandman: bob2 added that factoid |
| 16:50.27 | coolnewbie | asg:no it is not there |
| 16:50.33 | tobehz` | nvz: aye. |
| 16:50.34 | asg | ~+literal 2.6 ramdisk |
| 16:50.36 | | 2.6 ramdisk is Add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 16:50.39 | gravity | !seen bob2 |
| 16:50.40 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 11547 messages. Is idling for 9h 36m 16s |
| 16:50.50 | sandman | 11547... |
| 16:50.56 | tobehz` | lol |
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| 16:50.57 | asg | sandman: sorry, apt is currently in Valley Girl mode |
| 16:51.01 | sandman | Does this guy get paid for it? |
| 16:51.07 | asg | sandman: nope |
| 16:51.10 | tobehz` | !seen tobehz` |
| 16:51.10 | dpkg | tobehz` is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 16:51.10 | sandman | asg: ooo =) Valley gurl, heeyuck |
| 16:51.11 | tobehz` | :D |
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| 16:51.28 | mentor | sandman: No, we're all volunteers including the actual Debian DEvelopers. |
| 16:51.42 | nvz | I probably said 50,000 words last month. |
| 16:51.47 | asg | ~be file system barbie |
| 16:51.49 | | Journaling is HARD! |
| 16:51.53 | zu22 | sandman: why what? |
| 16:52.16 | mentor | ~be provocative barbie |
| 16:52.18 | | My nipples are HARD! |
| 16:52.18 | tobehz` | heh. |
| 16:52.23 | zu22 | lol |
| 16:52.24 | sandman | wow.. |
| 16:52.26 | gravity | Whoa. I didn't know about that one :-) |
| 16:52.26 | nvz | sandman: debstats.dontexist.org |
| 16:52.30 | zu22 | sandman: ah i was just bored heh |
| 16:52.30 | sandman | Yup, definately works of volunteers =) |
| 16:52.35 | asg | nvz: 13198 (so far this month) |
| 16:52.36 | sandman | No business would get away with that stuff. |
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| 16:52.48 | sandman | "Nipples? You're fired." |
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| 16:52.55 | asg | nvz: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 16:52.57 | tobehz` | hah |
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| 16:53.53 | zu22 | woo i moved from #32 to #30 :) |
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| 16:54.26 | sandman | I'd be #1 if there was a "biggest bitch" rating, I think. |
| 16:54.27 | gravity | I'm still idling pretty low on the stats, which is really Ok |
| 16:54.36 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 16:54.45 | zu22 | they need update that page more than 1x every 24 hr :) |
| 16:54.56 | asg | zu22: the processing takes quite some time |
| 16:55.05 | zu22 | asg: ahh |
| 16:55.14 | zu22 | asg: perl or php script? |
| 16:55.16 | asg | zu22: ask sussudio next time you see him how long it takes |
| 16:55.21 | zu22 | k |
| 16:55.23 | asg | zu22: perl iirc |
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| 16:56.23 | zu22 | speak of the devil :) |
| 16:56.31 | asg | zu22: he has amazing ears |
| 16:56.33 | zu22 | sussudio: how long does it take the debstats script to finish processing? |
| 16:56.36 | zu22 | asg: heh |
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| 16:57.14 | sussudio | zu22: it says so at the bottom. |
| 16:57.20 | zu22 | sussudio: doh! :) |
| 16:57.29 | colde89 | where does |
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| 16:59.16 | zu22 | lol |
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| 16:59.35 | gravity | 2 minutes? pffft |
| 16:59.44 | zu22 | bbl |
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| 17:00.11 | asg | gravity: that's for only 10 days worth; he did a 4 month run or so once (which took some time) |
| 17:00.23 | gravity | asg: Ah, that would do it |
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| 17:00.44 | somiaj | sussudio: though it looks like you only count right handed smiles thus on your varrious stats...(: |
| 17:00.48 | asg | gravity: or he's running it on his Compaq OpenMosix cluster |
| 17:01.00 | gravity | Mmm... mosix.... |
| 17:01.20 | poppor | Is it possible to restart in.ftpd service without rebootind linux? |
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| 17:01.50 | asg | poppor: yes, killall -HUP inetd or /etc/init.d/inet restart |
| 17:01.56 | somiaj | poppor: yes, use the init script in /etc/init.d |
| 17:02.05 | asg | poppor: you only ever need to reboot in the event of a new kernel installation |
| 17:02.11 | poppor | inet controls all this? |
| 17:02.17 | gravity | Or use invoke-rc.d |
| 17:02.38 | asg | poppor: grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:02.45 | sussudio | asg: there's one for the whole of 2003. |
| 17:02.46 | poppor | ok thanks |
| 17:03.01 | asg | sussudio: cool, what's the URL |
| 17:03.08 | gravity | I really need to hack my .zshrc so that it tabcompletes arguments to invoke-rc.d |
| 17:03.15 | sussudio | asg: the one where it says "Stats for 2003" at the bottom. |
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| 17:03.30 | asg | sussudio: oh, you've made changes since I last look at the bottom then? |
| 17:03.36 | gravity | sussudio: Error: Not found |
| 17:03.36 | somiaj | gravity: any advantage of invoke-rc.d over just running the init.d scrip directly? |
| 17:03.55 | asg | sussudio: and the links appear not to work :) |
| 17:03.57 | gravity | somiaj: It makes sure to do the right thing, although it shouldn't matter most of the time |
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| 17:05.05 | gravity | somiaj: There's more info about it on the manpage, in the INIT SCRIPT POLICY section |
| 17:05.05 | somiaj | gravity: thx, (: |
| 17:05.20 | gravity | somiaj: No problem :-) |
| 17:05.36 | asg | somiaj: you are paying peterS licensing for use of his patented '(:' right? |
| 17:05.54 | peterS | asg: hehe |
| 17:06.14 | poppor | it's not working |
| 17:06.17 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 17:06.37 | gravity | !seen peterS |
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| 17:06.38 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 4451 messages. Is idling for 43s |
| 17:06.44 | asg | poppor: not listening or not working correctly? |
| 17:06.46 | gravity | :-) |
| 17:06.58 | peterS | gravity: hiya |
| 17:07.01 | poppor | asg: I found out that to set the umask in in.ftpd I use the -u .. so I edited the /etc/services and restarted inetd but same thing still have umask 027 |
| 17:07.20 | somiaj | asg: nope, I'm just glad there are some other lefts out there (: |
| 17:07.24 | asg | poppor: whey did you edit /etc/services? |
| 17:07.28 | somiaj | s/lefts/lefties/ |
| 17:07.30 | gravity | peterS: Hey there |
| 17:07.30 | asg | somiaj: (:) |
| 17:07.54 | poppor | asg: isn't it from there the ftpd is started? |
| 17:08.08 | asg | poppor: no, ftpd is started via inetd (/etc/inetd.conf) |
| 17:08.09 | somiaj | asg: what's that, a mutant with two mouths, could make eating a bit easier though I assume |
| 17:08.20 | asg | somiaj: Mick Jagger or Clam Smiley |
| 17:08.26 | poppor | ahh. I'll check it |
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| 17:08.48 | poppor | wait.. that's what I ment |
| 17:09.06 | poppor | I edited the /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:09.07 | asg | poppor: make sure that ftp is uncommented |
| 17:09.31 | poppor | ftp itself is working just want to add the parameter -u 022 to it |
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| 17:09.52 | indes | lol. |
| 17:09.54 | asg | poppor: paste the /etc/inetd.conf line |
| 17:09.58 | somiaj | !tell Kempston about root |
| 17:10.17 | asg | somiaj: evidently, the bots auto tell roots now so you don't have to. |
| 17:10.20 | Bradmont | can anyone point me at info about doing a netinst over an adsl connection that requires authentication? |
| 17:10.22 | poppor | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.ftpd -u 755 |
| 17:10.23 | mentor | ~root |
| 17:10.31 | | methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 17:10.38 | sussudio | !fix apt |
| 17:10.53 | gravity | @fix dpkg |
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| 17:11.03 | gravity | Bots 'a plenty |
| 17:11.22 | quasimodo | bye |
| 17:11.23 | nvz | $fix gravity |
| 17:11.23 | modconf | nvz: are you smoking crack? |
| 17:11.25 | somiaj | asg: ahh, well that is good to know, though it may help them get the point...(: |
| 17:11.27 | mentor | ~apt no root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 17:11.29 | | okay, mentor |
| 17:11.37 | nvz | well modconf doesnt know about fix |
| 17:11.44 | mentor | fix ravenbird |
| 17:11.50 | mentor | ~fix ravenbird |
| 17:11.54 | | ACTION takes ravenbird to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:12.04 | pshaggy | when I type a ' or a " I have to type a space immediately after to get it to appear otherwise nothing shows up and both keystrokes are lost. What might cause this? |
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| 17:12.12 | poppor | asg: any ideas? |
| 17:12.15 | asg | poppor: is -u for the umask or the perms? |
| 17:12.18 | nvz | peterS: eh? |
| 17:12.20 | as13 | is there any soft to control inet access from windows worstations based on their login/pass? |
| 17:12.35 | gravity | I think modconf is one too many |
| 17:12.37 | nvz | peterS: |
| 17:12.52 | as13 | what? |
| 17:12.54 | asg | nvz: I think he's gone mad |
| 17:12.56 | mentor | peterS: Access Denied? |
| 17:13.05 | nvz | asg: he's on ignore now |
| 17:13.10 | pshaggy | when I type a ' or a " I have to type a space immediately after to get it to appear otherwise nothing shows up and both keystrokes are lost. What might cause this? |
| 17:13.11 | asg | mentor: he has probably got some script that's buggered up |
| 17:13.15 | gravity | Agreed |
| 17:13.18 | mentor | asg: yup. |
| 17:13.39 | peterS | script ran awry, I think. profound apologies to all |
| 17:13.52 | mentor | peterS: Spiffy. |
| 17:13.53 | asg | peterS: no worries, we still like you :) |
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| 17:14.15 | asg | nvz: his script has ended if you wish to un-ignore now |
| 17:14.16 | nvz | pshaggy: spilling beer into the keyboard and not unplugging it and waiting for it to dry |
| 17:14.21 | poppor | asg:ftpd [-AdDhlMPSU] [-T maxtimeout] [-t timeout] [-u mask] |
| 17:14.31 | pshaggy | that didn't happen nvz |
| 17:14.34 | Kempston | how do i hotswap hdd ? |
| 17:14.38 | asg | poppor: okay -u 755 is not correct, you need the inverse of the perms |
| 17:14.41 | as13 | anybody hear me? |
| 17:14.48 | somiaj | nvz: last key board I did that too functioned properly, its when I spilled water on it the next day that it fizzeled. |
| 17:14.50 | Xz | how does one begin to setup a modem? I'm not sure what port/IRQ it's on. |
| 17:14.51 | poppor | I should put 022 ? |
| 17:14.52 | asg | poppor: -u 022 |
| 17:14.58 | poppor | ok |
| 17:15.14 | gravity | Mmm... lunch |
| 17:15.15 | as13 | is there any soft to control inet access from windows worstations based on their |
| 17:15.18 | mentor | as13: Yes. we can hear you. |
| 17:15.23 | sussudio | ~tell as13 about repeat |
| 17:15.27 | poppor | asg: then restart inetd right? |
| 17:15.40 | mentor | ~bite sussudio |
| 17:15.44 | | ACTION takes a big bite out of sussudio's jugular vein |
| 17:15.46 | nvz | somiaj: all you have to do is unplug shit immediatly.. I have a monitor I took out of my car and set on the parking lot and got rained on for 2 days.. I brought it in, let it dry for a few months, its fine |
| 17:15.46 | Kempston | ~tell Kempston about hotswap |
| 17:15.54 | sussudio | !mentorsmack |
| 17:16.24 | somiaj | nvz: well that would of been handy info a few years ago...(:, thanks though I'll have to rember that. |
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| 17:16.43 | karrot-x | Hello, is it possible to go from testing to unstable? |
| 17:16.47 | nvz | somiaj: water doesnt ruin electronics. water will either erode things if it sits there, or short them out if its plugged it, as long as you unplug the damn thing and dry it, its fine |
| 17:16.54 | Kempston | anyone here ever was using racks ? |
| 17:16.54 | gravity | karrot-x: Yes, but not vice-versa |
| 17:17.04 | somiaj | karrot-x: yes, in a simlar fassion as you went from stable to testing. |
| 17:17.06 | karrot-x | gravity: Thank you, why not? |
| 17:17.11 | mentor | nvz: You didn't notice it raining for two days? |
| 17:17.16 | blal | nvz: Good to know. |
| 17:17.20 | nvz | somiaj: I spilled a whole can of coke into my PC, and I pulled the cord out of the wall, took it all apart and dried each piece, and its still running |
| 17:17.21 | karrot-x | somiaj: I just downloaded the netinstall cd. |
| 17:17.25 | poppor | asg: it's the same thing I still have the old umask |
| 17:17.25 | gravity | karrot-x: Because it's not supported |
| 17:17.31 | gravity | karrot-x: You'd have to reinstall |
| 17:17.31 | nvz | mentor: I didnt care.. I know how to fix things |
| 17:17.38 | mentor | nvz: :) |
| 17:17.47 | as13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.53 | karrot-x | gravity: Ok, that's good to hear, I don't want to be in testing :); |
| 17:17.58 | somiaj | karrot-x: /msg dpkg stable->testing and sid faq for info on upgrading and such. |
| 17:18.10 | nvz | worst thing that happened to this PC was filesystem corruption from pulling the plug |
| 17:18.14 | karrot-x | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 17:18.26 | nvz | the coca~cola didnt phase it one bit |
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| 17:19.01 | nvz | like I said, wetness can only hurt if there is current, or you leave it wet for a long period of time, to corrode things |
| 17:19.11 | as13 | qqq |
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| 17:19.55 | somiaj | karrot-x: It looks like the factoid, testing->unstable fits your needs better though...(: |
| 17:20.03 | Kempston | :```( |
| 17:20.21 | karrot-x | somiaj: Ok, thanks. |
| 17:20.22 | nvz | water doesnt conduct electricity anyhow that I can tell.. if I remember correctly its made up of hydrogen and oxygen which arent much for free electrons |
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| 17:20.43 | Justin_ | nvz: except that "water" is not made up of hydrogen and oxygen |
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| 17:20.52 | mentor | nvz: Yes, it's the impurities in the water that conduct. |
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| 17:21.00 | petemc | nvz: sit in the bath and throw in a toaster, see what happens |
| 17:21.03 | VynoM | anyone using grub mind sending me a copy of their menu.lst file? |
| 17:21.07 | tarzeau | someone wants to excercise his shell (awk) skills? |
| 17:21.21 | karrot-x | Mineral wasser. |
| 17:21.24 | karrot-x | :) |
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| 17:21.28 | mentor | :q:q |
| 17:21.30 | nvz | petemc: I'll use distilled water, and I'll try it on a rat first |
| 17:21.31 | tarzeau | somiaj, karrot-x: which vendor? |
| 17:21.35 | nvz | .. of course |
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| 17:21.51 | tarzeau | in turkey we drink "erikli" |
| 17:21.52 | sussudio | tarzeau: spell evian backwards. |
| 17:21.54 | karrot-x | Evian is pretty good. |
| 17:22.01 | somiaj | VynoM: check out /usr/share/doc/grub there should be some examples there. |
| 17:22.04 | tarzeau | sussudio: hehe nice ;) |
| 17:22.27 | VynoM | somiaj, Yeah, I used one. Didn't work too well for me |
| 17:22.28 | as13 | VynoM: and whats your problem with that file? |
| 17:22.34 | sussudio | tarzeau: it's basically a joke the french pulled on the USians... "Let's sell them ze tapwater for much money" |
| 17:22.35 | gravity | somiaj: Me too |
| 17:22.38 | tarzeau | somiaj: which vendor? |
| 17:22.39 | nvz | somehow I manged to loose my damn plectrum |
| 17:22.39 | VynoM | as13, mine doesn't work.. hehe |
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| 17:22.58 | somiaj | tarzeau: free beer, its my faviorte brand, if I didn't have to buy it its the best beer in the land. |
| 17:23.08 | gravity | Hehe |
| 17:23.09 | tarzeau | somiaj: we have that too :) |
| 17:23.12 | mentor | set loose the plectrums! |
| 17:23.20 | karrot-x | sussudio: And then the Germans played their joke they've done for the last 100 years and started putting trips in the rhineland :). |
| 17:23.24 | tarzeau | somiaj: in our lug, i can have as many as there is in the fridge (there always is some) |
| 17:23.26 | nvz | yeah I got some of that free beer here |
| 17:23.31 | karrot-x | s/trips/troops/ |
| 17:23.33 | tarzeau | feldschlösschen (swiss beer) |
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| 17:23.47 | sussudio | karrot-x: german mineral water is vile. they put salt in it. |
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| 17:23.50 | nvz | my dad bought a case on new years when he was here, and everyone left, so I am still drinking it |
| 17:24.01 | kawazu | hi all... anyone using linux to back up nt servers, around here? |
| 17:24.02 | karrot-x | sussudio: Never had it before. |
| 17:24.05 | nvz | goes to show how much I drink |
| 17:24.14 | sussudio | karrot-x: it basically tastes like piss |
| 17:24.18 | tarzeau | kawazu: i use linux tools to destroy ntfs partitions |
| 17:24.30 | karrot-x | sussudio: Never had that before either ;). |
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| 17:24.36 | kawazu | tarzeau: good thing, but probably not what i would need now, i guess... :/ |
| 17:25.04 | nvz | karrot-x: dont piss in bottles or drink margaritas in the bathroom and you probably never will |
| 17:25.06 | tarzeau | kawazu: do you want to dump the whole filesystem? |
| 17:25.12 | tarzeau | kawazu: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 17:25.20 | karrot-x | nvz: Heh. |
| 17:25.37 | nvz | karrot-x: those are the two most common things that lead to piss drinking accidents from my research |
| 17:25.50 | kawazu | tarzeu: no, i need some tool to copy modified files to a samba share... unfortunately, this doesn't work well... |
| 17:25.57 | karrot-x | 'From your research'? :), was it exstensive? |
| 17:25.59 | mentor | Guinness |
| 17:26.18 | somiaj | gravity: unforntally it cost almost twice as much to drink that nectar of the gods. |
| 17:26.19 | mentor | gravity: The 5% rating on other beers represent the beer content :) |
| 17:26.20 | tarzeau | kawazu: you can mount it then copy the files? |
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| 17:26.24 | nvz | karrot-x: you know those people who say "this tastes like piss" well I wont let them leave it at that.. |
| 17:26.43 | karrot-x | Ah :). |
| 17:26.43 | kawazu | tarzeau: the problem is: i am trying to copy files using xcopy /d to only have files copied which were modified... |
| 17:26.46 | tarzeau | kawazu: do you know find with -mtime / -atime and -ctime ? |
| 17:26.55 | gravity | somiaj: True, but only if you don't know where to go :-) |
| 17:26.58 | tarzeau | kawazu: yuck you copy from windows? |
| 17:27.02 | gravity | somiaj: It's dirt cheap in Boston, thankfully |
| 17:27.05 | tarzeau | kawazu: i don't recommend that... |
| 17:27.08 | gravity | mentor: Damn straight :-) |
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| 17:27.19 | kawazu | tarzeau: yeah, our window admin still is stuck with xcopy somehow... _is_ there a way to do something like that? |
| 17:27.22 | mentor | gravity: eww...do they brew it locally? doesn't travel well... |
| 17:27.26 | tarzeau | kawazu: ask rigel in #demoscene (don't tell him i gave oyu this tip) |
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| 17:27.38 | none1 | hi I have a problem............. |
| 17:27.40 | gravity | mentor: I think it travels but I'm not sure |
| 17:27.40 | tarzeau | kawazu: rigel is WINDOWS GOD! anti commie! |
| 17:27.44 | tarzeau | kawazu: don't tell you have linux |
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| 17:27.51 | somiaj | gravity: though traveling across the us to get it in bostan is a bit of a strech, I've drinking it at all the local bars/pubs and its $4 a pint, so I apt to buy it from the store. |
| 17:27.51 | kawazu | tarzeau: hmmm, i'll give it a try... thx. :) |
| 17:27.54 | none1 | the problem is... |
| 17:27.54 | mentor | ~tell none1 about ask |
| 17:27.57 | tarzeau | kawazu: don't even mention it, don't think you have linux |
| 17:27.57 | gboutwel | Is it possible to install woody to an reiserfs partition (it would have to be created) or if possible convert it to an reiserfs or even ext3 would I work I suppose. |
| 17:28.01 | coco | hi people |
| 17:28.04 | gravity | somiaj: $4 a pint isn't bad |
| 17:28.08 | tarzeau | kawazu: and you don't know me! don't say hi to me |
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| 17:28.13 | nvz | karrot-x: this southern comedian I think it was Bill Engvall or Jeff Foxworthy, who said "I had a dream, I drank the worlds largest margarita, and I woke up and there was salt on the toilet seat" .. he goes on to say ".. its a good thing I didnt eat the worm" |
| 17:28.14 | gravity | somiaj: That's what I usually pay |
| 17:28.17 | mentor | ~tell gboutwel about bf2.4 |
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| 17:28.20 | none1 | the problem is............. desktop won't save its setting! >_< |
| 17:28.24 | amphi | gboutwel: it is |
| 17:28.40 | karrot-x | nvz: Haha. |
| 17:28.56 | somiaj | gravity: yea, though at the same place I can get a pbr for $1 a pint.....which is closer to free for me. |
| 17:29.10 | gboutwel | amphi> How. I don't see those as options in the install, AND when I got to console during isntall I don't see any ext3 or reiserfs format commands. |
| 17:29.20 | gravity | somiaj: Damn! |
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| 17:29.28 | tarzeau | somiaj: poor like in money,financial? |
| 17:29.28 | none1 | :( |
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| 17:29.41 | gravity | somiaj: PBR isn't bad, especially for $1 |
| 17:29.55 | amphi | gboutwel: I installed with the bf24 kernel and it gave the option to create reiser filesystems |
| 17:29.57 | somiaj | tarzeau: yup, they don't pay TA's that much. |
| 17:30.08 | tarzeau | somiaj: are you rich in some other way? |
| 17:30.11 | VynoM | can no one just send me their menu.lst file? |
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| 17:30.16 | tarzeau | VynoM: sure |
| 17:30.22 | tarzeau | VynoM: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ mine's there |
| 17:30.26 | VynoM | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 17:30.29 | zamolxes | erm |
| 17:30.36 | coco | I have downloaded the sid CD, to try the new installer I hear that they was using but I so no way to install anything, it is just a rescue CD? |
| 17:30.36 | tarzeau | VynoM: did you know about /usr/share/doc/PACKAGENAME (try grub/) |
| 17:30.37 | BrainMan | Hello |
| 17:30.37 | somiaj | tarzeau: I'd like to think I'm rich with knowledge and happiness...(: |
| 17:30.49 | VynoM | tarzeau, yeah, but mine is all messed up |
| 17:30.54 | tarzeau | somiaj: you could sell your knowledge ... dunno about the happiness |
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| 17:31.03 | tarzeau | VynoM: fix it |
| 17:31.05 | VynoM | I tried following the example, but it's WAY too broad |
| 17:31.15 | gboutwel | amphi> Do you happen to know what you used to install with. I think I'm using unofficial vanilla netinstall 'floppies' for an CD. |
| 17:31.21 | tarzeau | VynoM: do you have THE GNU HURD? |
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| 17:31.33 | VynoM | eh? I have no idea |
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| 17:31.35 | amphi | gboutwel: I had a set of woody cds |
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| 17:31.54 | somiaj | coco: don't use any sid install cd's you find, best bet is either use a woody install cd or a netinstall and then upgrade to sid... |
| 17:31.54 | coco | I have downloaded the sid CD, to try the new installer I hear that they use, but I saw no way to install it, is it just a rescue CD? |
| 17:32.04 | tarzeau | coco: they don't exist |
| 17:32.10 | tarzeau | coco: or they are not officially from debian |
| 17:32.17 | gboutwel | would the vanilla install images have the necessary stuff to install to reiserfs? |
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| 17:32.26 | tarzeau | coco: got it from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 17:32.33 | gravity | sid cd's... geez, what a monstrosity |
| 17:32.42 | gravity | Ah, d-i |
| 17:32.42 | tarzeau | gravity: pervert , isn't it? |
| 17:32.43 | nvz | sid cds would be useless |
| 17:32.49 | gravity | tarzeau: Hehe |
| 17:32.52 | tarzeau | nvz: that's what i'm trying to tell |
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| 17:33.03 | coco | tarzeau: it is an unoffitial image, but I guess that is the same that having downloaded it with jigdo |
| 17:33.06 | tarzeau | coco: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 17:33.07 | Kempston | anyone ? |
| 17:33.09 | nvz | why would you want to waste the time and resources on a snapshot of _UNSTABLE_ software |
| 17:33.14 | somiaj | nvz: they could work as good costers. |
| 17:33.19 | tarzeau | coco: didn't anyone told you to not do that? |
| 17:33.23 | tarzeau | nvz: i have no idea |
| 17:33.32 | tarzeau | coco: did you have gentoo anytime? |
| 17:33.35 | poppor | I need help!! How do I add the -u 022 parameter to in.ftpd ? I tried editing /etc/inetd.conf and restarted /etc/init.d/inetd but still in.ftpd seems unchanged |
| 17:33.36 | Mage | how can I upgrade only one package ? |
| 17:33.37 | VynoM | tarzeau, could I send ya my menu.lst file to look at? |
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| 17:33.37 | coco | tarzeau: not to do what? |
| 17:33.40 | nvz | you could end up with 10cds of software that wont even run on your system |
| 17:33.41 | Mage | intead of all |
| 17:33.46 | tarzeau | Mage: apt-get install only-one |
| 17:33.50 | somiaj | Mage: are you running woody? |
| 17:33.54 | gboutwel | nvz> to save the time of having to install woody, then turn around and dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 17:33.54 | Mage | no unstable |
| 17:33.56 | tarzeau | VynoM: and buy me beer too? |
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| 17:34.07 | VynoM | sure, if ya lived nearby |
| 17:34.13 | tarzeau | VynoM: switzerland, kt. aargau |
| 17:34.21 | deven | I have Woody/Stable and I want to install KDE v3.x. I tried some lines in my sources.list from backports.org and apt-get.org, but once I try to do apt-get install kde it just says that I have the newest version.. what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:34.21 | Mage | tanks tarzeau |
| 17:34.26 | somiaj | Mage: what tarzeau said, though it may upgrade some dependencies if it has too. |
| 17:34.32 | VynoM | Hmmm... that's a little far away from here. West Virginia, US |
| 17:34.38 | gboutwel | nvz> Besides, it has to be tested, even a little before it can be moved to testing, how's it going to get tested if eveyone has the attitude, it's a waste of time? |
| 17:34.39 | nvz | gboutwel: if you are too lazy to upgrade to sid you should not be using it, if libc6 is broke all those fucking cds you just burnt are useless.. if you use unstable you have to stay current |
| 17:34.40 | coco | tarzeau: not to use unofficial images, why? |
| 17:34.48 | tarzeau | VynoM: you can put it online post the url and tell the detailed problem you are having |
| 17:34.59 | tarzeau | coco: i will not explain that, ask someone else |
| 17:35.00 | somiaj | deven: go ask that in #debian-kde they probably have are more familar with that monstrosity. |
| 17:35.02 | nvz | gboutwel: people who know enough to test software figure it out.. |
| 17:35.04 | VynoM | tarzeau, I'm using knoppix. Not sure if apache is even here |
| 17:35.13 | tarzeau | VynoM: #knoppix i don't care |
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| 17:35.17 | gravity | gboutwel: The move from a base woody install to base sid install is negligible |
| 17:35.25 | gravity | gboutwel: You don't need unstable images for that |
| 17:35.29 | tarzeau | VynoM: they removed nethack and jumpnbump . retarded! |
| 17:35.31 | nvz | gboutwel: we are not about to make it easy for idiots to get their hands on code we know may not work, so they can come in here and demand support |
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| 17:35.43 | deven | somiaj: No one ever talks in that channel ;P |
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| 17:36.04 | coco | tarzeau: ok, thanks anyway |
| 17:36.17 | none1 | so nobody wants to answer my question huh? :( |
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| 17:36.31 | tarzeau | none1: ask again |
| 17:36.47 | none1 | my desktop won't save its setting, how do I make it save its setting? |
| 17:36.50 | nvz | none1: ask a question |
| 17:36.52 | none1 | setting as in terms of the icon position |
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| 17:36.55 | tarzeau | none1: which desktop? |
| 17:36.56 | gravity | none1: What's your desktop? |
| 17:37.00 | none1 | debian kde |
| 17:37.03 | tarzeau | none1: #debian-kde |
| 17:37.17 | none1 | whoa they even have channel on that..? -_- |
| 17:37.19 | none1 | thanks |
| 17:37.20 | tarzeau | yes |
| 17:37.25 | tarzeau | kde is not nice |
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| 17:37.36 | somiaj | deven: did you check their topic there and see if they have any faq, or links on howto install kde3 on woody, I'm sure that's a common question there. |
| 17:37.37 | none1 | heh and netcardconfig, how do I change its language? |
| 17:37.38 | tarzeau | idiots have a channel too! |
| 17:37.40 | nvz | how can you answer a question that was never asked |
| 17:37.43 | see | somebody has installed phpmyadmin with deb-packages and gotten it to work? (i get the thing started my only to choose language, not handleing the db...www.insane.org/phpmyadmin/) |
| 17:37.44 | tarzeau | it's called #gentoo |
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| 17:38.00 | deven | Please stop referring people to debian-kde. The people there are ALWAYS idle. |
| 17:38.06 | tarzeau | gravity: you believe in kde? |
| 17:38.08 | deven | somiaj: Yeah, no luck with those. |
| 17:38.10 | gravity | tarzeau: Sure |
| 17:38.17 | none1 | deven: -_- I can't go? |
| 17:38.18 | as13 | and is there a channel on controlling net access? |
| 17:38.21 | nvz | deven: start killing people who use kde and we wont have this problem |
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| 17:38.22 | tarzeau | none1: try |
| 17:38.26 | amphi | see: worked 'outta the box' here |
| 17:38.29 | none1 | tarzeau: just did |
| 17:38.31 | gravity | tarzeau: I think they've done some great work. I think they've done some crap work too, but that's standard |
| 17:38.31 | tarzeau | as13: /msg apt ask |
| 17:38.36 | deven | nvz: WTF are you talking about? |
| 17:38.37 | gboutwel | Let's say that for some reason my install image set doen't allow anything but ext2. Can I install woody on ext2 and then convert it to reiserfs later? |
| 17:38.42 | tarzeau | gravity: i don't like kde or gnome |
| 17:38.52 | Justin_ | gboutwel: read the install guide |
| 17:38.53 | none1 | tarzeau: then what the hell do you use?? |
| 17:38.54 | somiaj | !slay KDE |
| 17:39.00 | gravity | tarzeau: I spent my last month with gnome as an experiment. It's actually very nice, and the new version is looking to be nicer |
| 17:39.05 | tarzeau | none1: amiwm, window maker, xfce4, fvwm2, gnustep |
| 17:39.09 | deven | Sheesh, you people are spiteful. ;) |
| 17:39.13 | see | amphi :/ i suspect i have missed doing something in the mysql-part what had u done there before? |
| 17:39.17 | none1 | tarzeau: those are virtual conoles |
| 17:39.17 | somiaj | hmm, intersting dpkg brandishes the sword, but its apt who cuts off the head...(: |
| 17:39.22 | tarzeau | gravity: i tried it too, and it sucked for me |
| 17:39.24 | nvz | deven: WTF are you talking about.. #debian-kde reguardless of its usefulness is here because nobody in their right mind uses KDE, so we send people who need kde help to where it can be found |
| 17:39.27 | gravity | tarzeau: For how long? |
| 17:39.28 | amphi | see: nothing |
| 17:39.32 | tarzeau | none1: no those are window managers and desktop environments |
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| 17:39.36 | tarzeau | greenfly: one month |
| 17:39.37 | vonjkx | blackbock *cough* |
| 17:39.41 | tarzeau | s/greenfly/gravity/ |
| 17:39.45 | none1 | tarzeua - doh9 |
| 17:39.49 | see | amphi stable or unstable? |
| 17:39.55 | amphi | see: stable |
| 17:39.59 | none1 | tarzeau- so what aobut icewm? |
| 17:40.00 | gravity | tarzeau: I'm surprised. What didn't you like about it? |
| 17:40.01 | tarzeau | none1: yes xfce4 and gnustep are desktops |
| 17:40.01 | Mage | anyone can help me about that error : http://mordor.ath.cx/stuff/err.txt ? I try to install the nvidia driver 1.0-5328 with patches from minion.de ... but it fail when I do a make install. |
| 17:40.06 | tarzeau | none1: i don't know, i like that |
| 17:40.06 | see | might be my problem :) |
| 17:40.13 | nvz | deven: if everyone in #debian used KDE there would not be a #debian-kde, but it just so happens nobody in here knows or cares.. thats why there is another channel |
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| 17:40.28 | somiaj | deven: my experience with kde was I installed kde 3 to see it, hated it, --purged it, my computer was happy. |
| 17:40.28 | none1 | tarzeau- icewm is a windows manager while garm is a desktop enviromnent too |
| 17:40.28 | Kempston | ipleeeease help |
| 17:40.28 | none1 | cool |
| 17:40.30 | tarzeau | greenfly: it's inefficient, ugly, slow, bloat, bad (try change username) and start the same desktop |
| 17:40.38 | tarzeau | s/greenfly/gravity/ |
| 17:40.49 | tarzeau | gravity: try also take your old config to anotehr machine, IT SUCKS |
| 17:41.04 | gravity | tarzeau: You can't just take the ~/.gnome2 folder over? |
| 17:41.06 | tarzeau | sorry but i think gnome and kde sucks, no intent for a flamewar, just what i think |
| 17:41.09 | gravity | tarzeau: And associated apps? |
| 17:41.15 | tarzeau | gravity: no it sucks |
| 17:41.18 | freyr__ | how might I get my install CD to boot /dev/hda for me. My debian install if fubared and I need to fix it. It wont start up so Im trying to use my install cd to start it. Any ideas? |
| 17:41.20 | gravity | Hmmm |
| 17:41.20 | tarzeau | gravity: can we stop wasting time? |
| 17:41.22 | freyr__ | Im at a boo: prompt |
| 17:41.30 | Justin_ | freyr__: press f1 |
| 17:41.33 | gravity | tarzeau: What's your problem? I'm just asking you a question. |
| 17:41.35 | somiaj | Mage: why not use the nvidia-kernel-source .deb package from unstable, its easy to patch and works wonderfully and gives you easier to manage .debs of the nvidia module than using nvidas installer. |
| 17:41.42 | freyr__ | Justin_: i read that help |
| 17:41.44 | gravity | tarzeau: You don't have to be an ass |
| 17:41.51 | freyr__ | Justin_: nothing in there about booting another partition |
| 17:41.56 | Justin_ | freyr__: press f2 |
| 17:42.06 | tarzeau | gravity: you want to know the truth? |
| 17:42.14 | tarzeau | gravity: i've had bad dreams, because of microsoft windows |
| 17:42.19 | freyr__ | Justin_: prerequisites for installing debian? |
| 17:42.20 | tarzeau | gravity: and kde and gnome are too much like it |
| 17:42.20 | none1 | lol gravity can't handle the truth! |
| 17:42.24 | Justin_ | freyr__: f3 |
| 17:42.28 | freyr__ | Justin_: wtf ? |
| 17:42.29 | Kempston | freyr__: rescue root=/dev/hda |
| 17:42.31 | tarzeau | gravity: i have sleepless nights with bad dreams when i see that stuff |
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| 17:42.36 | freyr__ | Kempston: thanks |
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| 17:42.40 | tarzeau | gravity: in nethack i murder gnomes |
| 17:42.42 | Justin_ | so much for actually reading the help |
| 17:42.44 | gravity | tarzeau: Gnome is more like MacOS |
| 17:42.48 | somiaj | Mage: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source then read the docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source it will tell you excatlly how to install it (and patch it) |
| 17:42.49 | tarzeau | gravity: no it's not! |
| 17:42.52 | tarzeau | gravity: you have no idea |
| 17:42.55 | gravity | tarzeau: Yeah I do |
| 17:42.58 | Mage | somiaj: it's still 4496 |
| 17:42.59 | tarzeau | gravity: my ass |
| 17:43.00 | freyr__ | Justin_: i read f1-10 . and i told you that. Thanks for being stupid |
| 17:43.01 | gravity | tarzeau: I was a hardcore mac guy for hears |
| 17:43.02 | Kempston | freyr__: have you been hot swapping hdds in linux ? |
| 17:43.04 | gravity | s/hears/year/ |
| 17:43.14 | somiaj | Mage: and the problem with that is? |
| 17:43.14 | gravity | tarzeau: I know the classic MacOS when I see it |
| 17:43.15 | tarzeau | gravity: ok user and developer is a big difference |
| 17:43.25 | Justin_ | freyr__: uh huh |
| 17:43.25 | Mage | and the last time I apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source ... it sucked |
| 17:43.26 | tarzeau | gravity: and looking like something and being like one si another big difference |
| 17:43.36 | tarzeau | gravity: see and feel is not the same |
| 17:43.36 | gravity | tarzeau: It is very much like it |
| 17:43.39 | gravity | tarzeau: No shit |
| 17:43.40 | tarzeau | gravity: no it's not |
| 17:43.44 | gravity | tarzeau: How so? |
| 17:43.46 | tarzeau | gravity: i'm serious |
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| 17:43.52 | tarzeau | gravity: you explain me why it is |
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| 17:44.01 | tarzeau | gravity: you make claims that are not true |
| 17:44.04 | somiaj | freyr__: if you would of read all of that info like Justin_ suggested you would of seen the rescue option and such, so hopefully you can figure out who the 'stupid' one is. |
| 17:44.05 | tarzeau | gravity: not me |
| 17:44.13 | as13 | a program that change netfilter rules based on password entered into a remote client? |
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| 17:44.16 | gravity | tarzeau: Nautilus is becoming spatially oriented, like the original finder |
| 17:44.23 | maco | Who likes SuSE ? :)) |
| 17:44.25 | freyr__ | somiaj: I did read all of them. There is NO rescue option listed in the help |
| 17:44.27 | tarzeau | maco: #suse |
| 17:44.30 | gravity | tarzeau: It's geared towards ease of use, at the sacrifice of ultra configurability |
| 17:44.35 | tarzeau | maco: i like to do rpm -e rpm on it |
| 17:44.45 | tarzeau | gravity: it wouldn't run on my computers |
| 17:44.51 | gravity | tarzeau: Gnome? |
| 17:44.55 | tarzeau | gravity: my mom would be faster with a pen and paper |
| 17:44.56 | gravity | tarzeau: You're not making any sense |
| 17:45.00 | tarzeau | gravity: yes gnome and kde |
| 17:45.08 | freyr__ | bah... the rescue didnt work |
| 17:45.11 | tarzeau | gravity: i have a computer, i want to work, get things done fast |
| 17:45.12 | gravity | tarzeau: Fine. Get a new machine or use something else. It runs fine on mine. |
| 17:45.22 | gravity | tarzeau: I worked fast with it |
| 17:45.24 | tarzeau | gravity: i don't want to play with fishes or ugly large k buttons |
| 17:45.29 | tarzeau | gravity: ok nice |
| 17:45.44 | Justin_ | freyr__: you sorta have to point it to the correct partition |
| 17:45.46 | tarzeau | gravity: i've tried it on a 1 ghz, 1gb memory dell laptop, fast enough? |
| 17:45.52 | tarzeau | gravity: it was not fast enough for me |
| 17:45.55 | gravity | tarzeau: How was it too slow? |
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| 17:46.02 | gravity | tarzeau: In doing what? |
| 17:46.08 | tarzeau | gravity: it was too slow, and the window handling was cumbersome |
| 17:46.14 | tarzeau | gravity: starting applications |
| 17:46.15 | freyr__ | Justin_: I did and it booted 2.6 again and I got the kernel panic again |
| 17:46.22 | somiaj | Mage: well I'm using 2.6.1 and the nvidia-kernel-source package from sid and things are working well here, I prefer to install things that way as they are easier to manage in the long run. |
| 17:46.22 | tarzeau | gravity: moving things around, resizing things |
| 17:46.31 | gravity | tarzeau: The app starting is the exact same speed as it would be running the apps outside of gnome! |
| 17:46.38 | gravity | tarzeau: Do you have any idea what you're talking about? |
| 17:46.43 | tarzeau | gravity: yes i do |
| 17:46.59 | gravity | tarzeau: Hell, it'd be even faster in gnome if your'e using gnome apps because the gnome libs would already be loaded |
| 17:47.03 | gravity | Geez |
| 17:47.09 | tarzeau | gravity: do you have an idea how ugly the kde menu is? or the gnome one? until you find the right app? |
| 17:47.10 | gravity | At least be accurate in your criticisms |
| 17:47.12 | tarzeau | gravity: same as in windows |
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| 17:47.19 | tarzeau | gravity: you've never used/seen anything else, right? |
| 17:47.20 | gravity | tarzeau: Then don't use those menus |
| 17:47.22 | gravity | tarzeau: I never did |
| 17:47.24 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Use the command line. |
| 17:47.26 | Mage | somiaj: me too ... except from nvidia drivers |
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| 17:47.34 | gravity | tarzeau: Um... /whois me and look at the packages I maintain |
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| 17:47.39 | Doochy|Web52 | Anyon in here from Denmark? |
| 17:47.41 | gravity | tarzeau: I sure as hell use something else |
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| 17:48.01 | sgeigerbot | ~+denmark |
| 17:48.04 | | well, denmark is the capital of Sweden (or something like that), or they speak dutch there. |
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| 17:48.08 | somiaj | Mage: well then follow the README from minion.de, it will tell you how to patch the source and the nvidia-installer to get to install. |
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| 17:48.12 | gravity | tarzeau: And you can use the normal debian menus in the KDE and Gnome menus. Same as in *every* other window manager in Debian |
| 17:48.17 | gravity | tarzeau: It's just one more item |
| 17:48.19 | gravity | Geez. |
| 17:48.25 | gravity | So much trolling, it's incredible |
| 17:48.26 | Gathond | LOL, good description of denmark .. not a single correct fact :) |
| 17:48.34 | Doochy|Web52 | Gathond: ye :P |
| 17:48.36 | tarzeau | gravity: ok |
| 17:48.56 | tarzeau | gravity: do you know windo wmaker? |
| 17:48.58 | gravity | tarzeau: Yes |
| 17:49.05 | Gathond | Doochy|Web52: please dont message me |
| 17:49.07 | gravity | tarzeau: I don't like it as much as pwm, but I like it quite a bit |
| 17:49.11 | Doochy|Web52 | Gathond: æv |
| 17:49.23 | gravity | tarzeau: But what does that have to do with gnome? |
| 17:49.25 | gravity | Or KDE? |
| 17:49.26 | as13 | tarzeau: i use wm! |
| 17:49.29 | tarzeau | gravity: the menu isn't fixated to left bottom (or any corner) |
| 17:49.33 | Gathond | if you want to talk in danish goto #linux.dk |
| 17:49.46 | Shay | ~lose Maquiavelo |
| 17:49.50 | | Maquiavelo: You Lose. |
| 17:49.50 | Doochy|Web52 | Gathond: kender du nogle til cs servere ? |
| 17:49.55 | gravity | tarzeau: Sure, but because the menu is in the lower corner, you can throw the mouse down there really fast to get there |
| 17:50.00 | tarzeau | gravity: if you have a large screen, 1600x1200 or more (multiple screens) moving the mouse to the menu takes ages , especially if your machine is busy |
| 17:50.08 | tarzeau | it takes ages until the menus pop open |
| 17:50.12 | gravity | tarzeau: Also, you can use sawfish or whatever in Gnome and get teh same effect |
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| 17:50.15 | Gathond | Doochy|Web52: nope, and speaking danish here will probably get you kicked at some point :) |
| 17:50.20 | gravity | s/teh/the/ |
| 17:50.40 | tarzeau | gravity: ok it must be something in my head,that is wrong then |
| 17:50.53 | tarzeau | gravity: i say pardon and then the horror is over, right? |
| 17:50.55 | somiaj | !start a wm war |
| 17:50.55 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 17:50.58 | Doochy|Web52 | Anyon know something about Online reinstall of debian? |
| 17:51.03 | gravity | tarzeau: There's also the fact that if you have your whole window covered up by something like a browser, you don't have to get to the desktop to get to the menu |
| 17:51.06 | tarzeau | gravity: tried GNUstep too? |
| 17:51.07 | gravity | tarzeau: It's a tradeoff |
| 17:51.24 | gravity | tarzeau: GNUstep is just a framework that wmaker uses |
| 17:51.33 | tarzeau | gravity: wmaker doens't use GNUstep |
| 17:51.36 | gravity | tarzeau: So, yes by proxy of having used wmaker |
| 17:51.46 | tarzeau | gravity: it can just interact well with GNUstep, but gnustep doesn't depend on window maker |
| 17:51.57 | gravity | tarzeau: That's what I said |
| 17:52.01 | tarzeau | gravity: i'm not talking window maker, i'm talking gnustep now (for the desktop) |
| 17:52.09 | gravity | tarzeau: Gnustep has its own desktop? |
| 17:52.20 | tarzeau | gravity: well yes, when you can compile it :) |
| 17:52.30 | Gathond | Dwe: something like that ? or define online reinstall please? |
| 17:52.34 | tarzeau | gravity: there's interface wm |
| 17:52.42 | tarzeau | gravity: but gnustep *is* a desktop |
| 17:52.54 | gravity | "First of all, GNUstep is not an operating system and it's not a window manager (although it is closely tied to the Window Maker window manager, the "official" window manager of GNUstep)." |
| 17:53.01 | gravity | tarzeau: That's from the gnustep page. |
| 17:53.11 | tarzeau | gravity: if you look at gworkspace |
| 17:53.13 | gravity | Like I said, it's a framework that windowmaker uses |
| 17:53.30 | Dwe | Gathond: well the pacgket reinstall doesnt work... when i type it it shows Reinstallation of wmtop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. just with much more pacgkets |
| 17:53.42 | fooz | but it doesn't use it |
| 17:53.53 | tarzeau | gravity: windowmaker doesn't depend on gnustep (it only supports it, if it's there) |
| 17:53.58 | fooz | it's more like the other way around |
| 17:54.06 | gravity | Ok, either way |
| 17:54.10 | tarzeau | fooz: gnustep doesn't depend on window maker either |
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| 17:54.21 | tarzeau | you can have both independent of each other |
| 17:54.21 | gravity | It's just a framework, not a DE |
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| 17:54.24 | gravity | Or WM |
| 17:54.26 | fooz | like how apps with KDE extensions depend on a KDE compatible window manager |
| 17:54.26 | Gathond | Dwe: well you need to make them available if you want to reinstall them :), or accept not to reinstall those |
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| 17:54.31 | gravity | Anyhow... lunch |
| 17:54.37 | tarzeau | gravity: can we take this.. to #gnustep some time? |
| 17:54.41 | tarzeau | gravity: enjoy your lunch |
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| 17:54.48 | gravity | tarzeau: Nah, sorry I'm not interested enough :-) |
| 17:54.51 | Dwe | Gathond: ehm? |
| 17:54.56 | gravity | tarzeau: I like wmaker quite a bit, so... :-) |
| 17:55.01 | gravity | Anyhow |
| 17:55.03 | tarzeau | gravity: wait |
| 17:55.14 | tarzeau | gravity: www.linuks.mine.nu/talksoup.jpg <- a gnustep irc client |
| 17:55.34 | tarzeau | there's software for gnustep that makes a desktop, there's a window manager too (built on gnustep) |
| 17:55.37 | somiaj | KDE reminds me way to much of windows and how everything is interwoven and dependent on eachother... |
| 17:55.40 | gravity | tarzeau: Cool |
| 17:55.54 | gravity | tarzeau: Ok, we'll talk more later about this then |
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| 17:56.32 | Gathond | Dwe: you ask it to reinstall all installed packages, this obviously only works if all the packages can be found in the sources you have supplied to apt (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 17:56.38 | tarzeau | gravity: you can check my packages too with /whois tarzeau btw ;) |
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| 17:57.02 | Dwe | Gathond: well then i have to get another mirror |
| 17:57.38 | majki | tarzeau doing promotion for his packages :-) |
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| 17:57.47 | tarzeau | majki: him or me? |
| 17:57.55 | Gathond | Dwe: or just not reinstall these packages (not sure why you want to reinstall everything) |
| 17:57.55 | majki | yours |
| 17:58.08 | Dwe | Gathond: because my system is fucked op |
| 17:58.13 | majki | tarzeau: it was joke :) |
| 17:58.23 | asdu | does the framebuffer work on stock 2.6 kernels? does something need to be done differently for the framebuffer to work? |
| 17:59.05 | Gathond | Dwe: the --ignore-missing option to apt-get might do the trick |
| 17:59.56 | Dwe | Gathond: still problems Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 17:59.56 | Dwe | Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.4.22 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 18:00.01 | saapas | has anyone in here set up a gprs-connection with nokia 6610 ? |
| 18:00.18 | asdu | i've tried rivafb, radeonfb, and neofb on three different machines with 2.6 kernels and got a bunch of garbage on the screen |
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| 18:00.24 | saapas | ..including a computer of course |
| 18:00.27 | somiaj | asdu: when ever I tried to compile a fb into a 2.6 kernel I got errors so I don't use it, (though it doesn't mean it won't work on stock 2.6 kernels, I just thought it would take to mcuh work for something I never use cause I spend most my time in X) |
| 18:00.48 | Gathond | saapas: I've failed to get a 6310i with IR connection 2 work :) so if you make it i would like som pointers to tricky places :) |
| 18:01.30 | saapas | Gathond, ok, I can wrote a note :p |
| 18:02.04 | saapas | I'm pretty close but can't find out what's wrong |
| 18:02.10 | Gathond | saapas: i can make it connect, but 30-120 secs later pppd closes the connection with some no echo reply 4 times error |
| 18:02.45 | saapas | Gathond, can I see your gprs-connect-chat-script ? |
| 18:02.54 | asdu | somiaj: i can't function without my 11 high resolution terminals |
| 18:02.55 | da_ | anyone know of a good howto on how to setup a ppp dialin server? |
| 18:03.30 | streuner | da_: do you unterstand german? |
| 18:03.42 | da_ | negative |
| 18:03.44 | Gathond | saapas: im using the default debian one, haven't changed it |
| 18:04.09 | da_ | maybe i can babelfish it? |
| 18:04.13 | saapas | Gathond, debian one ? where can I get that? |
| 18:04.31 | Gathond | saapas: i remember the phone number being #99* or some such to make the phone connect to gprs |
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| 18:04.44 | Gathond | saapas: the one with the pppd package |
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| 18:05.43 | somiaj | asdu: sounds like a personal problem to me...(:, or just stick with the 2.4 kernels until the 2.6 ones have a little more work done on them and someone gets around to fixing frame buffer....or try different configs, ask google.. |
| 18:05.52 | streuner | da_: http://www.mnd.fh-wiesbaden.de/~dreymann/linux/linux8.html |
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| 18:06.04 | debel | adding append="ramdisk_size=5120 to the lilo.conf the kernel-image 2.6 will boot ? |
| 18:06.49 | somiaj | debel: did you /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk for the factiod, I'm sure its correct....you can also check the bts as well. |
| 18:07.17 | debel | ok |
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| 18:07.24 | DA | streuner: thanks |
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| 18:10.22 | gravity | tarzeau: I can't find you in qa.d.o, but you did bubblefishymon, right? |
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| 18:11.27 | tarzeau | gravity: the duck and fish only (and the patch for it) |
| 18:11.38 | tarzeau | gravity: you can find me on d.o/devel/people |
| 18:11.41 | gravity | Ah |
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| 18:11.58 | tarzeau | gravity: there's 5 more packages awaiting to be enter the system (my sponsors computer is broke) |
| 18:12.16 | as13 | what does it mean: inetd[261]: execv /usr/sbin/tcpd: Permission denied? |
| 18:12.23 | gravity | tarzeau: Fun |
| 18:12.24 | tarzeau | gravity: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ i also do a lug in my region www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ and www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ and probably some more |
| 18:12.24 | aarkerio | my PCMCIA axnet card doesnt work on kernel 2.6.0, but the module is up, I don see any eth0 interface with ifconfig |
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| 18:12.40 | tarzeau | gravity: also informative! |
| 18:12.45 | gravity | tarzeau: I know, I've read a bunch of your page once upon a time :-) |
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| 18:13.00 | tarzeau | gravity: with -n you can see incoming/outgoing traffic (fish to left is in, the other out, the speed the amount ;) |
| 18:13.08 | aarkerio | need I do something else? |
| 18:13.12 | DA | how do i know which /dev device my modem is on? |
| 18:13.32 | gravity | tarzeau: Bubblefishymon you mean? I've been a user of it for a while :-) |
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| 18:13.40 | streuner | DA: wvdialconf should detect the modem auto |
| 18:13.45 | gravity | tarzeau: I like it, and it draws a lot of questions :-) |
| 18:14.23 | tarzeau | gravity: what kind of questions? |
| 18:14.38 | aarkerio | DA: try with kppp |
| 18:14.48 | streuner | !find wvdialconf |
| 18:14.50 | gravity | tarzeau: "What's with the fish thing?" and "Oh! That's so cute!" |
| 18:14.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wvdialconf' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/wvdialconf) in comm/wvdial. |
| 18:14.58 | gravity | tarzeau: More the latter than the former :-) |
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| 18:15.23 | tarzeau | gravity: the duck too , right? a great too to get girls and women interested in one ;) |
| 18:15.32 | Brown | Hi all. I've a pioneer DVR-106D DVD writer - I'm writing a bunch of stuff from hdd1 to hdc (the dvd writer). It's writing at about 0.5 MB/s, which I believe is way slower than it should be. What's likely ot be slowing things up (DMA is on on both, and CPU usage is v small) |
| 18:15.39 | gravity | Hmmm... d.o/devel/people doesn't list co-maintainance. Either that or it's out of date |
| 18:15.41 | tarzeau | gravity: played jumpnbump too? it even more of a girl-getting-tool |
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| 18:15.54 | gravity | tarzeau: I tried it a while ago, but not recently |
| 18:15.56 | tarzeau | gravity: i'm not maintining it, i'm only part of upstream of it |
| 18:15.58 | foo_2g4 | How do I convert an .wav file to .mp3 ?! |
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| 18:16.04 | GuERo | hi |
| 18:16.05 | Brown | On bootup it says something about no 80-channel cable for that IDE port - could that be affecting it? |
| 18:16.07 | gravity | tarzeau: Cool :-) |
| 18:16.27 | as13 | Brown: no |
| 18:16.49 | CueballUK | How can I get NIC stats as a normal user? |
| 18:16.53 | streuner | foo_2g4: lame |
| 18:16.57 | as13 | Brown: and how did you determined the speed? |
| 18:17.16 | tarzeau | CueballUK: netstat ? ifconfig ? |
| 18:17.30 | as13 | CueballUK: what do you mean NIC stats? |
| 18:17.43 | tarzeau | CueballUK: ask your admin to either do setuid or sudo configuration for you |
| 18:17.43 | CueballUK | Ah netstat run as normal user? |
| 18:17.44 | streuner | CueballUK: that works only as root |
| 18:17.51 | tarzeau | CueballUK: usually, yes |
| 18:18.01 | tarzeau | CueballUK: anyhitng can run as normal user if you configure it to do so |
| 18:18.17 | as13 | CueballUK: iproute and ip show or smth |
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| 18:18.26 | Brown | as13: that's what k3b says |
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| 18:18.41 | somiaj | foo_2g4: though you may want to look into ogg's (a free music compresion format) |
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| 18:18.55 | as13 | Brown: k3b is some frontend for cdrecord? |
| 18:18.56 | CueballUK | Ah netstat runs as normal user :) |
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| 18:19.37 | as13 | CueballUK: ip -s link |
| 18:19.37 | Brown | as13: yes. It gives both KB/s and amount written; both come out as about 0.5 MB/s on average |
| 18:19.53 | GuERo | when I install a RAID (PCI-IDE) do I need to configure this device on a partition of HD (ex: /dev/hdb3/) for work?? or I can "create new device" ex: /dev/hdc1 ?? |
| 18:20.06 | as13 | Brown: maybe there is some option like 'speed' somewhere? |
| 18:20.26 | as13 | CueballUK: install iproute and use the above command |
| 18:20.32 | Kempston | where and how do i get installed ide-scsi module ? |
| 18:20.53 | Kempston | and how do i install 2.6 kernel ? |
| 18:20.57 | CueballUK | as13: Cool ip -s link |
| 18:21.02 | CueballUK | Perferct |
| 18:21.02 | aarkerio | need I do something else after install the modules with modconf on kernel 2.6.0? |
| 18:21.06 | CueballUK | Cheers |
| 18:21.12 | Kempston | i mean apt-get what ? |
| 18:21.16 | as13 | CueballUK: sure |
| 18:21.19 | _Phrozen | hey, can anyone tell me where i set the "CC Environment Variable"? |
| 18:21.32 | Brown | as13, it's set to auto, and is correctly auto-set to 4x - but the write is taking place at 0.45x, according to it |
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| 18:22.23 | as13 | _Phrozen: what makes you think you need this variable? |
| 18:22.37 | GuERo | aarkerio, if you have woody, yes, you need install new pakages "modconf, module-init-tools" :) |
| 18:22.56 | as13 | Brown: 4x = 0.6 mb/s |
| 18:23.07 | _Phrozen | as13: i'm trying to get nvidia drivers working with debian, and it told me to set the CC environment variable to the compiler i was going to use for the kernel |
| 18:23.11 | _Phrozen | i think.. :) |
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| 18:23.52 | VolVE | hey all, if I setup a job using 'at', how can I edit that job again before it runs... ? |
| 18:24.03 | GuERo | aarkerio, modconf 0.2.45 and module-init-tools 3.0-pre5 |
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| 18:24.33 | as13 | _Phrozen: maybe its somewhere in the driver sources, configure , or alike |
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| 18:25.13 | findme | If I have a wireless router, I can buy any 802.11b compliant pcmcia card right ? |
| 18:25.34 | findme | netgear, d-link or generic as long as it is linux compatible. |
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| 18:25.53 | GuERo | someone knows how to install RAID (PCI-IDE) ? |
| 18:26.01 | aarkerio | Phrozen: you need "export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1" (if I could remember well) |
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| 18:26.18 | as13 | GuERo : maybe look at ide-linux.org |
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| 18:26.40 | Brown | as13, Surely for DVDs 4x is about 5.5 MB/s ? |
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| 18:27.11 | r00t__ | hello |
| 18:27.15 | Brown | that's what it says in hte specs for the drive |
| 18:27.17 | JoePenguin | hi r00t |
| 18:27.21 | r00t__ | hi |
| 18:27.26 | r00t__ | im fscked |
| 18:27.39 | r00t__ | X worked, then conffiged new kernel |
| 18:27.39 | as13 | Brown: you say dvd's x are not those for cd's x = 150kb/s? |
| 18:27.40 | Vyrus001 | any other xchat users here |
| 18:27.40 | Vyrus001 | ?? |
| 18:27.43 | r00t__ | no X anymore |
| 18:27.45 | JoePenguin | r00t__: i'm sorry to hear that. i hope you've learned your lesson, whatever it was |
| 18:27.59 | r00t__ | it cant find any 'screens' |
| 18:28.01 | JoePenguin | r00t__: ok, so the lesson is to always keep a copy of a known working kernel |
| 18:28.06 | r00t__ | oo |
| 18:28.11 | r00t__ | i have the working kernel |
| 18:28.11 | GuERo | as13, ok thx :) |
| 18:28.14 | r00t__ | but its insecure |
| 18:28.20 | r00t__ | so i needed to update |
| 18:28.25 | JoePenguin | i see |
| 18:28.25 | petemc | r00t__: look at the log in /var/log/ |
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| 18:28.43 | Brown | as13, yes, I think so - they use a different base speed. HAve a look at http://store.marinatechnology.com/pidv4xineidv2.html |
| 18:29.01 | r00t__ | ah |
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| 18:29.18 | r00t__ | (EE) Screens found but none have a usable configuration |
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| 18:29.58 | Vyrus001 | r00t__: paste xconfig in pm to me |
| 18:30.07 | Vyrus001 | i have good luck with x :P |
| 18:30.12 | r00t__ | thats the error in the log |
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| 18:30.51 | petemc | r00t__: that doesnt tell you anything useful, whats written before that? |
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| 18:31.07 | petemc | r00t__: do you use nvidia drivers? |
| 18:31.11 | Vyrus001 | r00t__: i mean the whole xf86config file |
| 18:31.15 | hanasaki | how can i calculate the checksum of an iso image and wehre can i find the known good checksum of a debian iso (woody adn sarge) |
| 18:31.16 | hanasaki | thansk |
| 18:31.19 | as13 | Brown: so your speed is ten times slower then it should be? |
| 18:31.35 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
| 18:31.37 | caphuso | hanasaki: md5sum, and http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 18:31.44 | hanasaki | thanks :) |
| 18:31.59 | Brown | as13, roughly, yes. It seems to be sitting at about 630 KB/s now |
| 18:32.51 | as13 | Brown: maybe the frontend just dont understand something and the real speed is ok? |
| 18:32.52 | Kempston | i`m trying to do hotswap ide device, in order to do that o have to rmmod ide-pc module and then modprobe it. unfortunatly my system doesn`t have such module. what should i do ? |
| 18:33.08 | r00t__ | think i found it |
| 18:33.09 | Kempston | and how come i don`t have it - i`m not using 2.6 kernel |
| 18:33.10 | Kempston | ? |
| 18:33.10 | r00t__ | hmmm |
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| 18:33.29 | Brown | as13, I think unlikely, as it would have finished writing the DVD a while ago if it was doing hte proper speed |
| 18:33.32 | r00t__ | it seems i must enable 3 diffrent instances of the 'same thing' in the kern |
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| 18:35.12 | Brown | as in, it's been running for half an hour, on a 1.4 GB write - k3b is at 72 % |
| 18:35.27 | Kempston | anyone ? |
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| 18:35.44 | hanasaki | i am on this link.. but not checksums.. just iso images..am i in the wrong place? http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/images/3.0_r2/i386/ |
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| 18:36.10 | Brown | Kempston, I'm not familiar with the module, but I guess it's a standard kernel one? |
| 18:36.29 | as13 | Brown: maybe try a different frontend or raw cdrecord.. |
| 18:36.34 | caphuso | hanasaki: do you see that file called MD5SUMS right there? |
| 18:36.43 | somiaj | hanasaki: what are you looking for? |
| 18:36.45 | hanasaki | let me look again.. sorry if iam being slow |
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| 18:37.14 | Kempston | Brown i think it`s built into the kernel |
| 18:37.19 | hanasaki | caphuso: thansk.. sorry .. i was slow |
| 18:37.22 | JasonM | Anyone know if there's a channel for either of the two bluetooth packages, bluez or affix? |
| 18:37.39 | hanasaki | somiaj: the md5 sums for the current woody and sarge.. |
| 18:37.44 | Kempston | since i can turn my ide devices into scsi with kenel optnio in lilo |
| 18:37.50 | as13 | Kempston: cant you recompile this kernel with ide- as a module? |
| 18:37.55 | Brown | Kempston, as in, it's already been compiled into your kernel? |
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| 18:38.08 | Brown | ok |
| 18:38.11 | Kempston | anyway let`s imgine i`ve installed older kernel |
| 18:38.23 | Kempston | where do i get module ? |
| 18:38.32 | hanasaki | some servers dont seem to have the md5 sums |
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| 18:38.50 | hanasaki | ex: http://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian-unofficial/sarge/ |
| 18:38.57 | maher | Kempston: don't you need special hw to hotplug ide? |
| 18:39.01 | tarzeau | gravity: there still? |
| 18:39.04 | gravity | tarzeau: Yep |
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| 18:39.09 | Kempston | nd is there a way to do with kernel thing similiar to rmmod ide-pci ? |
| 18:39.09 | tarzeau | gravity: http://www120.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/intro.htmld/ |
| 18:39.10 | as13 | Kempston: if you install a kernel from deb, all modules are included and you can modprobe |
| 18:39.14 | Brown | Kempston, if it's a normal kernel module, go through the usual menuconfi or what have you, and select 'module' for that option. then do a make modules |
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| 18:39.22 | tarzeau | gravity: and this one please: http://www.nongnu.org/backbone/ |
| 18:39.29 | tarzeau | hanasaki: you live in .ch too? |
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| 18:39.43 | knt | hi all, how can i add a user to a group? |
| 18:39.48 | gravity | tarzeau: I know about NeXTStep, although I've barely done any real work with it |
| 18:39.49 | tarzeau | knt: adduser user group |
| 18:39.54 | Kempston | ok |
| 18:39.55 | Kempston | anything bad thing my apt-get is broken |
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| 18:40.01 | tarzeau | knt: abi ayip ediyorsun, okumadinmi www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ ? |
| 18:40.03 | Kempston | i`ve been trying to install something |
| 18:40.07 | hanasaki | tarzeau: no.. just tryign to find a server w/ speed and the md5 sums |
| 18:40.08 | gravity | tarzeau: Nifty |
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| 18:40.19 | Kempston | and now nomatter what i do i always get invited to do apt-fet -f install |
| 18:40.26 | gravity | tarzeau: Although backbone appears to be lacking in... everything :-) |
| 18:40.26 | mentor | Kempston: 'broken'? |
| 18:40.29 | knt | tarzeau: abi su an cok acelem var ve hatirlayamadim, yoksa rute.sf.net'teki kitabi karistirdim |
| 18:40.30 | tarzeau | gravity: GNUstep is more than just a framework |
| 18:40.39 | Brown | Kempston, that happens when you do that? |
| 18:40.41 | tarzeau | gravity: look www.gnustep.org .it .us .net .de |
| 18:40.44 | Kempston | and when i do that it says that i`m trying to overwrite some file needed by other package |
| 18:40.56 | Kempston | what can i do about it ? |
| 18:41.05 | gravity | tarzeau: I did look at gnustep.org. Remember I quoted their page for you, saying that it was a framework? |
| 18:41.11 | as13 | anyone uses aptitude - how it can oops on stable - Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying.. ?? |
| 18:41.18 | tarzeau | gravity: yes i remember vaguely ;) |
| 18:41.18 | Brown | Kempston, ok common problem. Do a dpkg -i --force-overwrite <package file> |
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| 18:41.29 | Brown | Kempston, NOTE: could in theory break something |
| 18:41.35 | gravity | tarzeau: http://www.gnustep.org/secondary.html |
| 18:41.35 | frealek | people hi |
| 18:41.36 | hanasaki | anyone know where i can get the md5 sums for 30r1-i386-binary-1.iso? |
| 18:42.04 | gravity | tarzeau: "Development Environment", which is basically the same thing in my book :-) |
| 18:42.05 | Brown | Kempston, the package file can usually be found in /var/cache/apt/archive or similar |
| 18:42.31 | tarzeau | gravity: then also read http://gnustep.org/information/statement.html |
| 18:42.33 | mentor | Kempston: Which packages? |
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| 18:43.26 | gravity | tarzeau: I've looked at the API before, I know about it |
| 18:43.35 | gravity | tarzeau: I could never bring myself to learn objc though |
| 18:43.40 | as13 | Brown: maybe something interprets this 4x option as a cd's 4x |
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| 18:43.47 | tarzeau | gravity: why not? |
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| 18:44.00 | gravity | tarzeau: No real need, beyond GNUStep |
| 18:44.07 | Brown | as13, could be. I'll try a diff program next time, or do it command-line |
| 18:44.19 | gravity | tarzeau: I was better served learning something like perl or ruby |
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| 18:45.57 | knt | hi all, i added knt user to audio group by: "adduser knt audio", but i still cannot see knt user and "groups" command's list when i login as knt |
| 18:46.10 | tarzeau | knt: id says what? |
| 18:46.16 | as13 | knt relogin... |
| 18:46.21 | Kempston | libxcursor-dev_1.0.2-4_i386.deb tries to overwrite /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h from xlibs-dev |
| 18:46.30 | hanasaki | does cdrecord verify as it writes? ie: will it tell me if it has written a bad cd? |
| 18:46.33 | knt | tarzeau: uid=1000(knt) gid=1000(knt) groups=1000(knt) |
| 18:46.41 | tarzeau | knt: do what as13 said |
| 18:46.48 | knt | lol |
| 18:46.49 | as13 | hanasaki: no |
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| 18:48.06 | as13 | hanasaki: to verify you can use something like cmp /dev/<cdrom> /<image file> |
| 18:48.13 | hanasaki | as13: thanks .. hmm dam.. still cant findthe md5 for the woodyr1 i am downloading r2 but would like to check the one i have now. all new hardware so i dont know if its a bad cd/image/burn/cdromdrive/hardrive. sarge fails and so does woody. everytime in the same place |
| 18:48.14 | tarzeau | hanasaki: or md5 sums |
| 18:48.15 | sandman | apt-get install -t stable gforge doesn't seem to work ; it still installs from sid. |
| 18:48.19 | sandman | Anyone know why this might be? |
| 18:48.33 | hanasaki | tarzeau: thats why i am lookin for the md5 sums of r1 of woody :) |
| 18:48.43 | hanasaki | as13: didnt know about cmp.. i will check it out. thanks! |
| 18:49.06 | JasonM | Anyone any idea why access to the Internet from my Linux NAT router is so slow despite access from the router itself is reasonably fast? |
| 18:49.25 | majki | Has anybody set load balancing with ospfd and zebra (multipath routeting) ? I know to configure this between 2 networks, but I don't know how to write to configuration files dynamic default routes :( |
| 18:49.30 | gravity | sandman: I don't think gforge is in stable |
| 18:49.34 | gravity | But I could well be wrong there |
| 18:49.45 | sandman | gravity: I think you're right. But then shouldn't apt-get say it's not installable? |
| 18:49.59 | gravity | sandman: I don't know. I don't mess around with pinning |
| 18:50.03 | as13 | JasonM: maybe you know how to give inet access on windoz passwords? |
| 18:50.06 | sandman | gravity: Or at least say "Hey, it's not in Stable. Installing from Unstable.." |
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| 18:50.20 | gravity | sandman: Well, apt-get isn't really all that sophisticated |
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| 18:50.28 | gravity | sandman: aptitude would likely do something like that |
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| 18:51.03 | JasonM | as13: Sorry? |
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| 18:51.55 | as13 | JasonM: router and windows machines behind, there are users/passwords on them.. |
| 18:52.36 | JasonM | as13: Not just Windows machines behind.. some Linux, some Solaris, some IRIX... |
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| 18:53.33 | sandman | Why is there a minesweeper option in aptitude? |
| 18:53.40 | JasonM | Eitherway - its not an authentication problem; the services I'm having trouble with do not require authentication (web access...) |
| 18:53.46 | todu5811 | Does gmix invoke esd in the background? Esd crashes my computer. But without gmix I cannot control the sound volume of my sound card. What is the connection between /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer? |
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| 18:55.01 | krs | has anyone of you encountered problems with the 'nicotine' package lately? |
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| 18:55.19 | bhairava | hi |
| 18:55.26 | pshaggy | sources for xfree86-4 for stable? |
| 18:55.35 | as13 | JasonM: i mean do you know how to do it, some user gets access and some not, a program which runs on the client machine when the user log in and send authentication to th program on the gateway which opens inet? |
| 18:55.47 | hanasaki | hmm an oddity.. my cdrw is speced at a minimum of 24x and the cdr disk is speced at 16x yet it only writes at 8x .. what could be causing that? i am burnign with eroaster |
| 18:55.53 | bhairava | this is not a specific debian question, but there i go anyway :D anyone managed to get ethernet chip rtl8139D working ? |
| 18:56.05 | JasonM | as13: Ah, sorry. No idea. |
| 18:56.39 | JasonM | I don't think its possible to authenticate access to TCP services like that. |
| 18:56.43 | hanasaki | bhairava: you mean me? correct.. but it is being run on a debian box. |
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| 18:57.00 | as13 | sandman: havent you seen Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying.. from aptitude? |
| 18:57.08 | JasonM | Hmm |
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| 18:57.30 | JasonM | You might be able to do something with squid... |
| 18:57.35 | JasonM | And deny straight port 80 forwarding... |
| 18:57.53 | as13 | JasonM: why not, just change netfilter rules? |
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| 18:59.10 | as13 | bhairava: the usual 8139too doesnt work? |
| 18:59.49 | LSorensen | Finally got 2.6.0-1-k7 to boot on this silly machine |
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| 18:59.52 | hanasaki | hmm comparing an iso image and cdrom... cmp returned Input/Output error on the /dev/cdrom that mean a bad burn or drive or what>? |
| 19:00.18 | JasonM | Netfilter doesn't have support for authentication, as far as I know... |
| 19:00.37 | as13 | hanasaki your /dev/cdrom is pointing to your cdrom device? |
| 19:00.44 | hanasaki | correct |
| 19:00.45 | LSorensen | hanasaki: in general, if you want to read a cd raw, use readcd |
| 19:00.48 | hanasaki | /dev/scd0 |
| 19:01.06 | hanasaki | LSorensen: someone here suggested using cmp to compare the burn w/ the iso image |
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| 19:01.24 | LSorensen | hanasaki: due to some sillyness in the way cd's are written and how the linux block layer doeals with CDs you can not reliably read directly from a /dev device for a cd |
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| 19:01.51 | LSorensen | hanasaki: use readcd to read the cd raw, then compare the result with the original. That is really the only reliable method |
| 19:01.52 | hanasaki | LSorensen: oh :( hmm so how should i comare the burned cd to the iso image? |
| 19:02.03 | hanasaki | ah |
| 19:02.36 | LSorensen | hanasaki: readcd can dump the content of the cd to a file that should be identical to the original. read the docs on proper usage, since there is a small trick about what number of sectors to ask for with readcd |
| 19:02.52 | as13 | hanasaki i tried and theres no error, it says /dev/scd0 icmpWatch.db differ: char 1, line 1 |
| 19:03.20 | as13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.30 | hanasaki | as13: tyr w/ a cd and its iso image like i did.. error wasnt until near the end |
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| 19:04.21 | srart | How do I set an environment variable globally instead of putting it into everyones .bashrc? |
| 19:04.39 | isaac_ | * */2 * * * <-- shouldn't that, in a crontab, execute something once every 2 hours? |
| 19:04.48 | LSorensen | srart: create a global shell script that everyone's login script sources? |
| 19:05.02 | RinzeWind | isaac_: Every minute every other hour |
| 19:05.02 | LSorensen | isaac_: no, every minute of every second hour |
| 19:05.12 | isaac_ | oh yeah, heh |
| 19:05.13 | RinzeWind | isaac_: You want 00 */2 * * * |
| 19:05.16 | isaac_ | oops ;D |
| 19:05.19 | as13 | hanasaki then LSorensen is right, read the image back and compare images, |
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| 19:05.27 | isaac_ | RinzeWind: thank god i'm not an air traffic controller or something :D |
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| 19:05.49 | srart | and add that to everyones bashrc? isn't there a bash something that loads before the login prompt? |
| 19:05.50 | LSorensen | hanasaki: the last block will fail to read by dd or cmp or whatever unless the cd happesn to be excactly a multiple of 32kb I think it is |
| 19:05.51 | as13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.05 | LSorensen | srart: I don't think so. |
| 19:06.17 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 19:06.30 | hanasaki | hmm on readcd how do i specify the output file? i read "man" |
| 19:06.53 | LSorensen | srart: perhaps pam has some options that can do it. come to think of it I am sure you can set some env using pam or maybe /etc/profile would work :) |
| 19:07.00 | LSorensen | hanasaki: probably -o |
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| 19:07.18 | LSorensen | hanasaki: no, f=filename |
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| 19:07.58 | srart | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.59 | caphuso | srart: use /etc/environment |
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| 19:08.16 | caphuso | srart: /etc/profile will fail too often |
| 19:08.25 | btwotch | How can I 'destroy' my problem with dpkg? Dpkg wants to install from : /cdrom//debian/pool/ .... This isn't possible. How can I change this? |
| 19:08.44 | findme | What is the difference between a cardbus and a PCMCIA card ? |
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| 19:08.59 | fooz | findme, one's closer to ISA, one's closer to PCI |
| 19:09.08 | LSorensen | caphuso: why would that fail? |
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| 19:09.26 | LSorensen | findme: I think cardbus is pci related and newer. Cardbus is also 32bit I think. |
| 19:09.37 | findme | fooz:ok. thanks. |
| 19:09.38 | as13 | JasonM: if authentication support was into netfilter there would be no problem, i mean a separate program , an authentication daemon |
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| 19:09.39 | fooz | cardbus has a gold connector |
| 19:09.44 | findme | LSorensen:thanks. |
| 19:09.46 | fooz | it won't work in most laptops older than a P2 |
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| 19:10.06 | fooz | and won't fit in a laptop that won't support it |
| 19:10.14 | caphuso | LSorensen: think of tcsh and zsh, and people logging in with *dm |
| 19:10.51 | btwotch | Doesn't know anybody here apt? |
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| 19:11.01 | ovidiu | window show 2 |
| 19:11.23 | LSorensen | caphuso: cap: tcsh is irrelevant (no one should use it). zsh could be relevant, although it tends to be pretty good at picking up bash settings |
| 19:11.29 | hanasaki | bbiab.. makeing the inage.. thanks |
| 19:11.30 | srart | LSorensen thanks, /etc/profile took care of it. |
| 19:11.55 | caphuso | LSorensen: zsh doesn't pick up bash settings |
| 19:12.03 | caphuso | it doesn't even read /etc/profile |
| 19:12.05 | majki | can anybody tell me ospfd.conf configuration when I have zebra and my router can access internet via 2 routers and when one router is going down I want to change default gw to another (I can configuring all of 3 routers) thnx. |
| 19:12.08 | synic | anyone use gnome 2.4 here? |
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| 19:12.26 | _diego_ | synic: yes |
| 19:12.34 | synic | _diego_: how do you add items to your menu ? |
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| 19:13.06 | JeffH | Are there any tools available to allow package installation remotely from a windows machine? (telnet/ssh.. etc is NOT the answer I'm looking for) |
| 19:13.07 | LSorensen | caphuso: pretty sure it used to some years ago |
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| 19:13.28 | Fransozich | Hi all it seems that my X is not loading / having installed/ all fonts needed by some progs like xine.. is there a way to check that and to install the needed fonts? |
| 19:13.43 | _diego_ | synic: I've never do it... Usually I use applet... |
| 19:13.51 | as13 | majki: and can it do it when i can configure only one router? |
| 19:13.56 | findme | are ADMTEK pcmcia cards compatible with debian ? |
| 19:14.05 | synic | hrmm... kind of seems weird that you can't edit your applications menu in gnome... |
| 19:14.10 | bztunk | synic: /usr/share/applications |
| 19:14.41 | as13 | JeffH: and how you can instal anything with telnet/ssh? |
| 19:14.53 | JeffH | as13: excuseme? |
| 19:14.56 | thyhorror | hi peoples , I' looking for a nice GUI appliction for debian that will list the file (archive) my colection od CD's and the files on them . any suggestions ? |
| 19:15.02 | synic | bztunk: I see, I just need to add an item there. |
| 19:15.10 | _diego_ | synic: of couse I know I can, but I don't know how... |
| 19:15.13 | Il_proff | hi all ... i'would like to set permission to make possible start an X session ( kde or other) only if the user are in the desktop's group ... i think that i have to set the right permission only in the X and startx commnand ... is it correct? |
| 19:15.23 | JeffH | ast13: ideally I don't want to have to login to the machine to see if there are updates and install them. |
| 19:15.24 | as13 | JeffH: you want the mirror on a windows machine? |
| 19:15.30 | majki | as13: when you want to do it dynamically, "default" routers must have support any routing protocol (rip, ripng, ospfd,bgp4) and advertise the routes ..everything what I don't know how to write to ospfd.conf the default routes :-( |
| 19:15.33 | bztunk | synic: yup |
| 19:15.44 | synic | bztunk: ok, thanks |
| 19:15.46 | btwotch | Where can I download the latest kernel-2.6.0-image.deb???? |
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| 19:16.16 | Il_proff | btwotch, www-apt-get.org |
| 19:16.19 | LSorensen | btwotch: unstable has 2.6.0 images |
| 19:16.26 | Il_proff | and search for the package ... |
| 19:16.31 | JeffH | as13: I'm looking for some windows program that'll present dialog boxes etc that will show me what will be upgraded on a remote machine if I choose to upgrade. |
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| 19:16.38 | LSorensen | btwotch: I am running kernel-iamge-2.6.0-1-k7 right now |
| 19:16.42 | as13 | JeffH; you have a debian machine and want update it without loggin into? |
| 19:16.51 | poppor | any expert on user permissions here? |
| 19:17.00 | sussudio | ~tell poppor about polls |
| 19:17.02 | Il_proff | no .... |
| 19:17.04 | Il_proff | :-) |
| 19:17.26 | JeffH | as13: nevermind. |
| 19:17.45 | poppor | I didn't understand a word of what apt messaged |
| 19:17.45 | btwotch | Il_proff: kernel-2.6.0 gives no result |
| 19:17.46 | poppor | ? |
| 19:17.47 | as13 | JeffH: and how those programs will connect to the debian box? |
| 19:18.02 | Il_proff | and 2.6.0? |
| 19:18.02 | hanasaki | hmm getting read errors on the readcd so that means my cdrom or disk is bad correct? |
| 19:18.08 | LSorensen | btwotch: try kernel-image-2.6.0 |
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| 19:18.22 | LSorensen | btwotch: are you using stable, testing or unstable? |
| 19:18.42 | btwotch | LSorensen: stable |
| 19:18.47 | btwotch | LSorensen: That works |
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| 19:18.53 | poppor | Anyways.. how can I configure so that 2 users create files that is owned by same group ? |
| 19:19.06 | caphuso | poppor: configure what? |
| 19:19.07 | JeffH | ast13: through a service (ie tcp/ip port. |
| 19:19.09 | LSorensen | btwotch: stable doesn't have all the necesary things to run 2.6 kernels. You will need afew others things |
| 19:19.15 | poppor | the users |
| 19:19.19 | Il_proff | poppor, make the primary group of the users the same one .. |
| 19:19.20 | majki | poppor: set the users one default group |
| 19:19.29 | LSorensen | poppor: set both users to have that group as their default group |
| 19:19.33 | as13 | hanasaki: i have a mitsumi burner which reads in raw mode but can have errors when copiing from a mounted medium |
| 19:19.45 | poppor | how/where do I set to default ? |
| 19:19.49 | Il_proff | poppor, there's no other way |
| 19:19.54 | LSorensen | poppor: usermod can do it |
| 19:19.54 | btwotch | LSorensen: Ok, then I don't do this. |
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| 19:20.11 | LSorensen | btwotch: mainly initrd-tools and module-init-tools have to be up to date |
| 19:20.28 | as13 | poppor: set group id bit on the dir |
| 19:20.29 | hanasaki | as13: umm thats not good :( as13 this is not mounted.. just doing a readcd to a file |
| 19:20.42 | Il_proff | edit the /etc user file ... |
| 19:20.54 | DA | how would i go about creating a new device file? |
| 19:21.03 | as13 | hanasaki: read errors are in the middle? |
| 19:21.04 | poppor | no it's the default group I'm after not rwx bits |
| 19:21.05 | majki | btwotch: imho when you look for dependencies for kernel-image-2.6.0 you'll know what you need to install for good working of 2.6 |
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| 19:21.33 | hanasaki | as13: what do you mean "in the middle? |
| 19:21.35 | as13 | hanasaki: and the disk is not an old used cdrw? |
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| 19:21.50 | rindolf | I'm trying to upgrade from kernel 2.6.0 to 2.6.1. How do I import my configuration options from the old kernel tree? |
| 19:21.52 | hanasaki | brandnew samsung 120gig hd and cdrwdvd drive |
| 19:21.58 | freyr__ | When I upgrade to kernel-image-2.6 it starts and says RAMDISK: image too big! (4180/4096 blocks) VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or unknown-block(3,3) Please append a correct root= boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) . Any ideas Id really appreciate? |
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| 19:22.05 | as13 | not at the and |
| 19:22.15 | hanasaki | Rin ther is a .conf in the old directory you built 2.6 in |
| 19:22.19 | ljlane | freyr__, look at the channel topic |
| 19:22.24 | LSorensen | freyr__: add 'ramdisk=8192' to your kernel options |
| 19:22.31 | Il_proff | btwotch, pay attention ... the utility for the new modules have the same name of the old one .... so if you upgrade the modutils you can't come back! |
| 19:22.44 | poppor | LSorensen: usermod can only set the groups but now order them ? |
| 19:22.52 | as13 | hanasaki: not hardware disk but the cd itself, which you burn onto |
| 19:23.10 | hanasaki | as13: not sure.. middle or end .. it got about 610 meg of 612 so i wold say END |
| 19:23.13 | majki | poppor: or use vipw for edditing /etc/passwd and there set manuaaly default group for users |
| 19:23.17 | freyr__ | ljlane, LSorensen: wow thajnks so much... Im such an idiot... I was reading through kernel source files... hahah.. thanks so much |
| 19:23.18 | Il_proff | poppor, you have to edit the /etc/user or /etc/passwd |
| 19:23.26 | LSorensen | poppor: usermod -g sets initial login group. -G adds other groups. |
| 19:23.31 | LSorensen | poppor: you want -g |
| 19:23.31 | Il_proff | is the only way! |
| 19:23.39 | caphuso | Il_proff: /etc/user? |
| 19:23.43 | poppor | majki: You mean I just type the group number in passwd ? |
| 19:23.59 | Il_proff | caphuso, ... i've a lot of mess in my mind ... sorry :-) |
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| 19:24.13 | majki | poppor: yes, set them the same gid |
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| 19:24.26 | as13 | hanasaki: can you mount it and run df |
| 19:24.57 | Steph[eN] | strange problem here can't synthesize pci hotplug events |
| 19:25.05 | hanasaki | yes |
| 19:25.24 | as13 | hanasaki: if the size is 612 then end and otherwise i dont know |
| 19:25.32 | DA | can anyone tell me how to create a new /dev file (my modem is on ttyS04 but there is no /dev/ttyS04) |
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| 19:25.37 | Lafourmi | does the debian woody purpose the installation of grub instead of lilo ? |
| 19:25.40 | hanasaki | booots too.. as13 jsut alwasy fails in the same part of the install.. tried sarge and woody and killed several cdr |
| 19:25.44 | Lafourmi | the installation I mean |
| 19:25.52 | LSorensen | DA: MAKEDEV command |
| 19:25.54 | poppor | thanks |
| 19:25.55 | Il_proff | ... sorry but i repeat my first question ... to make able only the group "desk" to run xsession like kde or gnome or wmaker ... i have to set the right permission to the "X" and "startx" commands ... is it right or ... there is other way to open a session? |
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| 19:26.09 | DA | LSorensen: MAKEDEV doesnt know how to make device ttyS04 :( |
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| 19:26.33 | as13 | hanasaki: you said you are not sure if it can burn good cds.. maybe try to burn a new cd and read it back and compare... |
| 19:26.34 | btwotch | Where can I download a debian kernel for a psion? |
| 19:26.38 | freyr__ | LSorensen: does append="ramdisk=8192" go for the specific image in lilo or for the whole lilo.conf? |
| 19:26.51 | hanasaki | hmm good idea |
| 19:26.55 | LSorensen | DA: cd /dev; MAKEDEV ttyS4 |
| 19:26.57 | hanasaki | bbl |
| 19:26.58 | hanasaki | thnks |
| 19:27.05 | LSorensen | freyr__: doesn't matter really |
| 19:27.19 | DA | LSorensen: its on ttyS04... |
| 19:27.28 | LSorensen | Da: no it isn't |
| 19:27.29 | knt | hi all, i've jsut installed an unstable woody to my pals comp, when we try to install kde with "apt-get install kde" taking so much dependency errors which won't be install. how can we fix it? |
| 19:27.37 | LSorensen | da: the kernel messages are just wrong |
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| 19:27.52 | btwotch | How can I change the : 'XF86VidMode' ?????????????? |
| 19:28.03 | DA | LSorensen: well ttyS4 exists so i should just be able to setserial then? |
| 19:28.05 | gravity | knt: What do you mean "unstable woody"? |
| 19:28.09 | LSorensen | da: yep |
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| 19:28.17 | as13 | hanasaki: aaah and how it fails -it cant read the cd or some other problem? |
| 19:28.19 | DA | LSorensen: thanks |
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| 19:28.25 | gravity | knt: Is it woody, or is it unstable? |
| 19:28.33 | synic | bztunk: I'm having a bit of trouble with this menu editing stuff. I've added an item to /usr/share/applications (I just copied one an edited it) - but how do I then get it to show up in the menu? |
| 19:28.37 | knt | gravity: unstable |
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| 19:28.46 | ercin | isn roxen in unstable repo ? |
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| 19:29.02 | gravity | knt: KDE is b0rked in unstable right now. You can try installing individual pieces rather than the whole metapackage |
| 19:29.14 | gravity | knt: You can also ask in #debian-kde about it, they'd know more than us |
| 19:29.28 | knt | gravity: thanks so |
| 19:29.30 | as13 | hanasaki: if you burned sevral cdrs then its not with cd, |
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| 19:29.40 | ercin | i have this morning installed kde from unstable |
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| 19:29.41 | bztunk | synic: if you don't have fam installed, you need to kill gnome-panel or logout |
| 19:29.44 | SpArTaK | hi, i just got my tv card to work with tvtime but my volume is very low i use alsa in kernel 2.6 with a sound blaster live platinum i have the line in volume all the way up and it is still super low!? anyone please help1 |
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| 19:29.47 | ercin | and im using it |
| 19:29.49 | synic | bztunk: ok |
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| 19:30.25 | ercin | gravity, whats b0rked in kde? |
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| 19:31.42 | synic | bztunk: yeah, it still doesn't show up. Anything extra I need to do? |
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| 19:31.57 | LSorensen | SpArTaK: internal audio connector or external? |
| 19:31.59 | gravity | ercin: The metapackage, afaik |
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| 19:32.14 | gravity | ercin: KDE itself should be fine |
| 19:32.17 | ercin | i have installed from meta pack |
| 19:32.21 | bztunk | synic: hum, i don't know... are you sure you have the right category? |
| 19:32.26 | synic | yeah |
| 19:32.26 | gravity | ercin: Ok, I could well be wrong. I don't know |
| 19:32.35 | gravity | ercin: The metapackage wasn't working for hi |
| 19:32.37 | gravity | him |
| 19:32.41 | SpArTaK | LSorensen: external |
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| 19:32.44 | tempo | is it possible to impliment spamassasin on a remote domain ? |
| 19:32.57 | LSorensen | sp: hmm, not sure then. maybe the tv card has a volume setting. |
| 19:33.02 | ercin | perhaps he has a mixed sources.list |
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| 19:33.35 | SpArTaK | LSorensen: yah i use tvtime but i cant find a volume setting in there |
| 19:33.38 | gravity | ercin: You never know |
| 19:33.42 | LSorensen | SpArTaK: don't know then |
| 19:33.51 | ercin | wasnt the roxen in stable |
| 19:33.58 | gravity | It was a guy installing unstable and totally incapable of figuring out his own dependencies, which is bad in itself |
| 19:33.59 | SpArTaK | LSorensen: thx |
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| 19:35.37 | charolastra | hi ppl |
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| 19:36.50 | findme | I am going to buy a new PCMCIA wireless card. Any pointers ? |
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| 19:36.53 | none1 | hey do you guys know how I can do dpkg -l > packageslist and make it display ONLY installed packages? because it seem to display EVERYTHING... and everything I don't need and I don't knwo where it comes from |
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| 19:37.23 | freyr__ | i have a kt400 motherboard. It has an onboard broadcom 4400 lan card that is auto detected in 2.4.23. I just installed kernel 2.6 it is not detected. Even after I modprobe b44 which seems to be a module now. Any ideas? |
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| 19:37.40 | Justin_ | !tell freyr__ about 2.6 problems |
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| 19:37.47 | charolastra | when i do a apt-get update i get a big ass list; now i would like to view the descriptions of all that packages (because i would like to know whats the difference in the version numbers); but copy and past for 420 objects is real option :) |
| 19:38.00 | none1 | lol |
| 19:38.07 | none1 | so...? |
| 19:38.16 | none1 | wellllllllll |
| 19:38.26 | none1 | hey do you guys know how I can do dpkg -l > packageslist and make it display ONLY installed packages? because it seem to display EVERYTHING... and everything I don't need and I don't knwo where it comes from |
| 19:38.27 | Justin_ | !wayttd charolastra |
| 19:38.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, charolastra? |
| 19:38.32 | Justin_ | none1: grep |
| 19:38.38 | Justin_ | none1: and stop whining |
| 19:38.45 | guruman | can the freedict dictionaries be used from the commandline? |
| 19:38.48 | as13 | freyr__: maybe its not b44? |
| 19:39.08 | freyr__ | as13: maybe |
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| 19:39.34 | charolastra | well Justin_ ... what did i write in my msg? ... |
| 19:39.38 | as13 | freyr__: then find what is it and modprobe... |
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| 19:39.44 | gravity | Hmm... grep-dctrl may have been what he wanted |
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| 19:39.52 | freyr__ | as13: i know its a broadcom 4400 |
| 19:40.09 | hanasaki | nayone know wehre i can get the checksums for sarge.. they arnt in the download directories |
| 19:40.29 | as13 | freyr__: i mean how its module named |
| 19:40.29 | gothtec | n xxswqyq26piiåpå+0c z<vzH-KJMØJUHYUYR |
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| 19:40.31 | gothtec | sorry, just vacuuming the keyboard |
| 19:40.44 | charolastra | lol |
| 19:41.05 | tempo | is it possible to set spamassisn for a remote doamin? |
| 19:41.06 | as13 | hanasaki: sure, if checksums are wrong, wait, its the official image? |
| 19:41.21 | hanasaki | yes |
| 19:41.45 | hanasaki | well yess for woody. no for sarge.. i couldnt find official sarge isos |
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| 19:42.35 | hanasaki | as13: i got to the site from cdimages.debian.org office site list |
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| 19:42.38 | as13 | hanasaki: then your drive read it inaccurately, try to install it from another drive, and youll be sure |
| 19:42.47 | hanasaki | hmm k |
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| 19:42.55 | hanasaki | will burn it from another drive too |
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| 19:43.24 | gravity | Official sarge isos don't exist. It's not out yet. |
| 19:43.26 | gravity | Geez. |
| 19:43.53 | Flimzy | Are there any cell phone companies that offer affordable Unlimited data access other than Cingular? |
| 19:43.59 | hanasaki | gra thnaks |
| 19:44.02 | hanasaki | Flimzy: ! |
| 19:44.03 | hanasaki | sup man |
| 19:44.12 | Flimzy | hanasaki: ? |
| 19:44.17 | gothtec | What's the whole problem with upgrading from woody to sarge anyway? |
| 19:44.24 | gothtec | Why does everyone ask for sarge isos? |
| 19:44.34 | gravity | gothtec: Because they're ignorant |
| 19:44.39 | gravity | That's the only real reason |
| 19:44.43 | as13 | Flimzy: what do you mean affordable? |
| 19:44.49 | gothtec | ah |
| 19:44.51 | gothtec | of course |
| 19:45.23 | Flimzy | as13: Well, Cingular charges $79.99/mo for their unlimited data transfar package. Something less than that would be more affordable :) |
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| 19:47.17 | as13 | Flimzy: thats too much |
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| 19:47.50 | etion | hi i have a problem with spamassassin |
| 19:47.58 | etion | i can´ cofigure it |
| 19:48.03 | etion | the problem is procmail |
| 19:48.11 | hanasaki | what is the problem w/ it |
| 19:48.17 | etion | when i run it it seems hold |
| 19:48.27 | etion | dont do anithing |
| 19:48.34 | hanasaki | etion: i run spamassasin / amavis-new exim4 i may be able to hlep |
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| 19:48.35 | hanasaki | hold? |
| 19:48.44 | hanasaki | hmm maybe it is timeing out check an rbl |
| 19:48.48 | as13 | etion uninstall it or configure correctly.. |
| 19:49.16 | etion | i dont congifure it i only do apt-get install spamassassin |
| 19:49.27 | hanasaki | hmm that cold be a problem |
| 19:49.43 | as13 | etion and it depends on procmail? |
| 19:49.57 | etion | my procmail |
| 19:49.58 | etion | PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. |
| 19:49.59 | etion | MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/cur # Asegurarse de que existe!! |
| 19:49.59 | etion | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/ |
| 19:49.59 | etion | :0fw |
| 19:49.59 | etion | | /usr/bin/spamassassin -P |
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| 19:50.10 | gravity | hum |
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| 19:50.36 | etion | wow |
| 19:50.48 | etion | do you saw some proble in my procmail |
| 19:50.51 | Steph[eN] | is it necessary to configure hotplug specially before it can be used? |
| 19:50.55 | gravity | etion: If you're going to paste, do it in #flood |
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| 19:51.04 | etion | sorry |
| 19:51.15 | etion | gravity can you help my |
| 19:51.23 | gravity | etion: No, sorry. I don't use spamassasin |
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| 19:51.24 | Justin_ | etion: /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/examples/ |
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| 19:52.02 | Justin_ | er rather, one directory up |
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| 19:54.42 | freyr__ | i have a kt400 motherboard. It has an onboard broadcom 4400 lan card that is auto detected in 2.4.23. I just installed kernel 2.6 it is not detected. Even after I modprobe b44 which seems to be a module now. Any ideas? |
| 19:55.10 | drunk_penguin | hello. |
| 19:55.15 | drunk_penguin | i have a question |
| 19:55.24 | drunk_penguin | what is woody? |
| 19:55.25 | as13 | freyr__: no ideas for now... |
| 19:55.52 | gravity | drunk_penguin: woody is the current stable release of Debian |
| 19:55.57 | drunk_penguin | ok |
| 19:56.10 | srg | freyr__> you have upgraded the modutils package, haven't you? |
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| 19:56.19 | sussudio | drunk_penguin: or what *you* get from seeing attractive seals |
| 19:56.28 | freyr__ | srg: i did apt-get install modutils yes |
| 19:56.31 | gravity | hehe |
| 19:56.53 | freyr__ | srg: any apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 19:56.55 | as13 | freyr__: so you wrong |
| 19:56.56 | srg | freyr__> if you modprobe the module, does it install? ie does lsmod show it? |
| 19:57.03 | freyr__ | srg: yes |
| 19:57.07 | freyr__ | as13: ? |
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| 19:57.52 | as13 | freyr__: or rigth? installed module-init-tools? |
| 19:58.16 | drunk_penguin | sussudio: i downloaded iso woody-i386-extra1.iso |
| 19:58.20 | drunk_penguin | is this right? |
| 19:58.21 | Fransozich | Hi all it seems that my X is not loading / having installed/ all fonts needed by some progs like xine.. is there a way to check that and to install the needed fonts? |
| 19:58.29 | freyr__ | as13: ya i did that |
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| 19:59.18 | as13 | freyr__ then no ideas again |
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| 19:59.36 | PDani | hi |
| 19:59.41 | Tommy_Kr | Hi! I've upgraded to the 2.6.1-Kernel, all works fine - except USB. At start of usbmgr it shows 'open error "host"' and at plugging in/out of devices there comes a message "invalid buffer line". With 2.4 USB worked. Someone here who solved this problem? |
| 19:59.42 | freyr__ | as13: :~( |
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| 20:00.05 | as13 | Fransozich i dont know, ask later |
| 20:00.10 | drunk_penguin | what iso should i download? i have dled woody-i386-extra1.iso. is this right |
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| 20:00.28 | Tommy_Kr | (the devices doesn't work) |
| 20:00.32 | gravity | extra1? |
| 20:00.33 | as13 | drunk_penguin what do you want from that iso? |
| 20:00.36 | Fransozich | ty as13 at least I got an answe ;-) |
| 20:00.39 | Fransozich | answer |
| 20:01.07 | PDani | i tried to play an AC3-avi with mplayer. i started it with -channels 6 option, but it didn't work. I heard everything except the speaking. when i don't use the channels option, everything is fine, but only with 2 channels. i've an sb audigy 5.1 + ALSA. any idea? |
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| 20:01.46 | gravity | PDani: You'll probably have better luck in #mplayer |
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| 20:01.49 | as13 | drunk_penguin if you want to install debian , burn it and boot from it |
| 20:01.50 | Fransozich | PDani, ever tried xine? or totem? |
| 20:01.50 | Tres`ni | I need some help, I just built a new kernel (following the instructions, I used menuconfig) and now the system hangs at Ok, booting the kernel |
| 20:02.02 | Tres`ni | What can I do to go back to a working kernel? |
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| 20:02.09 | skimpIzu | how is it possible that my router and ip are the same number |
| 20:02.28 | as13 | Tres`ni maybe you destroyed your loader? |
| 20:02.31 | PDani | Fransozich: no |
| 20:02.37 | freyr__ | as13: oh........ my mobo is a a7v8x-x not a7v8x and hence has a via-rhine card not a b44 card. /me kicks himself... thanks for the help |
| 20:02.38 | PDani | i use mplayer, of course |
| 20:02.46 | Tres`ni | as13: How could I tell? |
| 20:02.56 | freyr__ | as13: how do i associate this card with the module so it gets auto loaded on boot? |
| 20:02.56 | Fransozich | try it PDani just to be sure that mplayer is not the problem.. |
| 20:03.01 | as13 | freyr__: you see... |
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| 20:03.21 | peterS | freyr__: for autoloading modules on boot, edit /etc/modules |
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| 20:03.31 | freyr__ | peterS: thanks |
| 20:03.44 | drunk_penguin | what are theese images? ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/linux/ISO-images/debian-unofficial/woody |
| 20:03.53 | as13 | freyr__ put it in /etc/modules or add alias eth0 <modulename> to /etc/modutils/aliases anr run update-modutils |
| 20:04.01 | gravity | drunk_penguin: Someone's unofficial images, from the looks of things |
| 20:04.15 | drunk_penguin | does they work? |
| 20:04.25 | as13 | Tres`ni: what bootloader you use and how you installed the kernel? |
| 20:04.28 | drunk_penguin | installing? |
| 20:04.34 | drunk_penguin | or just extras? |
| 20:04.39 | crash | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 20:04.44 | crash | what did that mean? |
| 20:04.51 | tempo | how do i run spamassassin to a remote location? |
| 20:04.56 | peterS | crash: it means, you should 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 20:05.00 | as13 | drunk_penguin: tell us what you want |
| 20:05.01 | gravity | drunk_penguin: I don't know. You'll have to figure that out for yourself. I'd use jigdo to get a netinstall if I were you |
| 20:05.14 | Tres`ni | as13: LILO and I installed with dpkg |
| 20:05.15 | PDani | Fransozich: OK... |
| 20:05.22 | gravity | drunk_penguin: I've never seen CD's labeled as "extras". I don't know what that means |
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| 20:05.29 | drunk_penguin | as13: i want to get a stable or unstable debian system... |
| 20:05.32 | crash | thx peterS |
| 20:05.34 | drunk_penguin | grv: ok |
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| 20:05.39 | gravity | drunk_penguin: You do not want an unstable system right now. |
| 20:05.46 | drunk_penguin | why? |
| 20:05.48 | gravity | drunk_penguin: You need to learn the basics before even thinking about that |
| 20:05.59 | ercin | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 20:06.04 | gravity | drunk_penguin: Things break and you have to be able to fix them yourself |
| 20:06.06 | ercin | what should i do now ? |
| 20:06.07 | drunk_penguin | whew i used slack, mandrake, suse.. |
| 20:06.12 | as13 | drunk_penguin install from that image you have, stop asking useless questions |
| 20:06.18 | drunk_penguin | and 68k ddebian |
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| 20:06.21 | drunk_penguin | ok |
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| 20:06.43 | as13 | Tres`ni then hold shift and choose LiunxOLd if youlll see one |
| 20:06.47 | \broken | drunk_penguin, read the installation guides. |
| 20:06.55 | drunk_penguin | ko |
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| 20:07.49 | Tres`ni | as13: Thanx! |
| 20:08.11 | Tres`ni | Now, how do I get rid of the new kernel image so it doesn't boot it automagicly |
| 20:08.20 | as13 | Tres`ni: woohoo ... *() |
| 20:08.49 | as13 | Tres`ni edit your lilo.conf and run lilo! |
| 20:09.15 | Tres`ni | Should I uninstall the new one using dpkg? |
| 20:09.35 | as13 | Tres`ni or better remove it and install old kernel back |
| 20:09.57 | JoePenguin | Tres`ni: You don't need to remove anything, just tell lilo which one to boot by default |
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| 20:10.37 | as13 | Tres`ni you see, the kernels are booted from symlinks in the root dir which are called linux and LinuxOld respectively |
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| 20:11.09 | JoePenguin | konnichiwa, February-san :) |
| 20:11.16 | as13 | so you can point the /linux to the old kernel |
| 20:11.20 | February | hi |
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| 20:12.37 | as13 | Tres`ni the main problem is when you uninstall the main kernel the script will not link it back , so youll still will not be able to boot without shift |
| 20:13.10 | Tres`ni | okay |
| 20:14.15 | as13 | Tres`ni either change links manually and run lilo or change lilo .conf and run lilo, it will not do anything if something is wrong |
| 20:14.43 | Tres`ni | I wanna know why this kernel didn't boot.. I didn't do anything differant from last time (that I can think of anyway..) |
| 20:15.02 | Tres`ni | But my 2.4.22 kernel boots fine and my 2.4.24 kernel doesn't.. |
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| 20:18.32 | etion | thank you |
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| 20:20.25 | BillySnap | Hi dad!!! |
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| 20:20.57 | PDani | Fransozich: where can i check in xine, that how many channels does it use? |
| 20:21.32 | knoppix_ | hey, dude |
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| 20:23.48 | Tres`ni | i know why my kernel might not have worked :) |
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| 20:23.57 | JeffH | how do I find out the list of files in a package? |
| 20:24.11 | Tres`ni | I think I did optimizations for a AMD on a PIII :) I forgot which machine I was updating :) |
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| 20:24.52 | amphi | JeffH: dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 20:25.05 | k-newbie1 | hey snappie |
| 20:25.07 | amphi | JeffH: assuming it's installed |
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| 20:25.10 | JeffH | amphi: thanks. |
| 20:25.12 | BrainMan | I have a question |
| 20:25.14 | as13 | JeffH: dpkg -L <package> |
| 20:25.41 | onur | hi all, when i try to uninstall gnome-terminal i take "preremoval script returned error exit status 2" and it suggests me to use update-alternatives, also another error like: "update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install" |
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| 20:25.47 | BrainMan | Is the stock kernel (debian 3.0 r1) good? I mean...doesn't it have too many think compiled in it? |
| 20:25.51 | sordit | hi |
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| 20:26.35 | [zimba] | is it possible to boot from a floppy and install everything from there, using the network ? |
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| 20:26.56 | as13 | [zimba]: you need 2 floppies |
| 20:26.59 | Justin_ | !tell [zimba] about ig |
| 20:27.01 | plugwash | [zimba] it takes at least two floppies |
| 20:27.05 | ^jorge | which filesystem is better to install, ext_2, ext_3, xfs, or the other one |
| 20:27.08 | amphi | BrainMan: better to make yr own |
| 20:27.20 | BrainMan | oh, ok, thanks amphi |
| 20:27.21 | amphi | ^jorge: the other one |
| 20:27.24 | [zimba] | wow thx guys :) |
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| 20:27.59 | as13 | ^jorge for what? |
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| 20:28.17 | ^jorge | the exur something? |
| 20:28.37 | as13 | ^jorge realy? |
| 20:28.45 | plugwash | ^jorge personally i would use reiser |
| 20:29.04 | ^jorge | ok |
| 20:29.06 | as13 | ^jorge and i ext2 |
| 20:29.36 | as13 | ^jorge so you should use ext3 |
| 20:30.01 | ^jorge | but for staters i should use reiser first? |
| 20:30.13 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:30.26 | amphi | ^jorge: read the faq at namesys.com before using reiserfs |
| 20:30.27 | sordit | My father wrongly did use the maximize command using cfdisk. Is there any way to undo it? |
| 20:30.29 | as13 | ^jorge whats staters? |
| 20:30.36 | ^jorge | ok thanks |
| 20:30.39 | Justin_ | sordit: quit without saving |
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| 20:30.56 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 20:31.01 | sordit | ehm.. already to late Justin. |
| 20:31.12 | jetscreamer | redo it |
| 20:31.15 | jv | hi, can anybody help me with dynamic routing configuration with ospfd and zebra ? |
| 20:31.19 | as13 | sordit: maybe use it again? |
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| 20:31.58 | sordit | hm.. i could try that out. thanks for your suggestions. |
| 20:32.13 | jetscreamer | if you're in the installer scroll down |
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| 20:32.22 | _SpiNLock_ | jv, you're configuring a router ? |
| 20:32.23 | freyr__ | is /dev/psaux loaded by some sort of module? Now that I moved to 2.6 X wont start it says. xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device. Any ideas? |
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| 20:32.31 | MaxeyPad | what would cause this error when i do apt-get update "E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object" |
| 20:32.32 | as13 | sordit: and what do you want, it saves some undo information? |
| 20:32.36 | freyr__ | How can I look at *ALL* the bootup information? |
| 20:32.45 | Justin_ | ~tell freyr__ about 2.6 |
| 20:33.08 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.18 | as13 | MaxeyPad: youre downloading.. |
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| 20:33.20 | jetscreamer | shift+pg up |
| 20:33.21 | kyll | does anyone know how to see what superblock size is used on a ext2 filesystem? |
| 20:33.25 | jv | _SpiNLock_: i'm configuring my network and my router can access to internet via 2 another routers, and everything what I need is to set when one router going down, my router can access internet via another router |
| 20:33.25 | gooodies | how do I lower my volume in debian on console? |
| 20:33.36 | Justin_ | !tell gooodies about search |
| 20:33.37 | as13 | freyr__ less /var/log/boot |
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| 20:33.47 | sordit | as13: no idea.. but that would also be worth a search. |
| 20:34.14 | nwo | what is the definition of softsubs and of hardsub, and are .ogm files softsubbed? |
| 20:34.24 | as13 | kyll maybe block size? |
| 20:34.34 | jetscreamer | does that translate to hard links and soft links? |
| 20:34.36 | gooodies | Justin_: i tried search but can't find anything useful |
| 20:34.45 | freyr__ | as13: there is no boot in log dir. Ive been using messages but I see some errors when I start that dont show up there |
| 20:34.59 | jv | _SpiNLock_: any idea ? |
| 20:35.04 | kyll | as13: can u be more specific please |
| 20:35.26 | keith | gooodies: are you using ALSA? |
| 20:35.27 | Justin_ | gooodies: apt-cache search sound | less |
| 20:35.30 | as13 | kyll i mean not superblock size but block size? |
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| 20:35.45 | jetscreamer | freyr__ there's a thing you can do to make your scroll back (shift+pgup) longer but i frickin forgot how and wish i hadn't |
| 20:36.02 | _SpiNLock_ | jv: no idea, my network is quite simple :) |
| 20:36.06 | kyll | as13, ah no. i need to know the superblock size to fix a ext2 filesystem |
| 20:36.07 | as13 | freyr__ dmesg, or i dont know |
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| 20:36.49 | jv | _SpiNLock_: ah..I was searching 3 hours on google, but nothing about dynamic routing with ospf and zebra found :-( |
| 20:36.49 | as13 | kyll and how youll fix it supposing you know its size? |
| 20:37.00 | jome | hi, is there a script to set up a network on debian? |
| 20:37.01 | MaxeyPad | thanks i figured it out all |
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| 20:37.13 | Alpha | Anyone know of a alternate deb source for deb http://non-us.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./? |
| 20:37.19 | as13 | jome ifupdown? |
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| 20:37.29 | Alpha | I have some other ones I need to find sources for too |
| 20:37.45 | jv | Alpha: on www.apt-get.org nothing found ? |
| 20:37.59 | jetscreamer | i wish somebody would explain how to call the network-config that's on the installer cd |
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| 20:38.13 | Alpha | jv: are you syaing try that? |
| 20:38.21 | _SpiNLock_ | jv, gook luck in your search, it's a very interesting topic. |
| 20:38.31 | as13 | jetscreamer base-config? |
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| 20:38.59 | freyr__ | so is /dev/psaux gone in 2.6 then? |
| 20:39.00 | jv | Alpha: there are some unofficial debs, you should tried it imho |
| 20:39.03 | jome | as13: can i configure gateway, routing,... with ifupdown? |
| 20:39.09 | Fransozich | Hi all it seems that my X is not loading / having installed/ all fonts needed by some progs like xine.. is there a way to check that and to install the needed fonts? |
| 20:39.11 | jv | _SpiNLock_: heh, thnx :-) |
| 20:39.13 | Alpha | Also for "deb http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages sid/i386/" |
| 20:39.31 | as13 | jome sure, man interfaces |
| 20:39.34 | jetscreamer | no it's not gone |
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| 20:39.52 | Alpha | jv: I'm not sure what your trying to tell me to do? apt-get.org is an unofficial deb site? |
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| 20:40.27 | peterS | freyr__: /dev/psaux is still provided for backward compatibility, but I think it's just an alias for /dev/input/mice now |
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| 20:41.02 | jv | Alpha: you was searching for mozilla's debs if I good remember..and I said that you should look to www.apt-get.org and search for mozilla. That's all |
| 20:41.12 | thomas_adam | Alpha: or backports.org |
| 20:41.24 | jv | right |
| 20:41.24 | Alpha | k |
| 20:41.24 | _SpiNLock_ | Anybody knows why my laptop's keyboard not work when i start a 2.4.x kernel ? any idea? |
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| 20:41.38 | freyr__ | peterS: xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 20:41.40 | thomas_adam | _SpiNLock_: you didn't configure it correctly |
| 20:41.51 | Alpha | thomas so deb source http://backports.org/ ? |
| 20:41.54 | keith | jetscreamer: have you tried the Debian quick reference manual - Ch.10? (http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html) |
| 20:41.54 | peterS | freyr__: you need to load the kernel module 'mousedev' |
| 20:41.58 | gooodies | I forgot what package is 'play' in, can some remind me. thx |
| 20:42.00 | MaxeyPad | for those of you that run apt-get update with apt-get upgrade nightly to stay current, what exact line in cron do you use |
| 20:42.06 | gooodies | *someone |
| 20:42.06 | MaxeyPad | to do it automatically that is with no user interaction |
| 20:42.06 | thomas_adam | peterS: err, /dev/psaux is a device not a symlink |
| 20:42.12 | peterS | thomas_adam: I know |
| 20:42.24 | thomas_adam | peterS: good :) |
| 20:42.24 | Parth`` | Can somone help me figure out why I can't get dhcp to assign an adress to eth0 with my 2.4.18 but it works find with the 2.4.18 that debian ships with? |
| 20:42.28 | peterS | thomas_adam: internal to the kernel, though, I think it is now provided as an alias for the /dev/input/mice device |
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| 20:42.46 | thomas_adam | peterS: that would not make much sense, would it. |
| 20:42.48 | jetscreamer | keith, no i want to know how to increase the buffer for shift+pgup |
| 20:42.48 | _SpiNLock_ | thomas_adam: however in a default kernel (2.2.20) works. |
| 20:43.08 | Alpha | thnx jv and thomas |
| 20:43.10 | peterS | thomas_adam: what would you propose doing instead? just dropping support for misc device (10,1) from kernel 2.6? |
| 20:43.21 | thomas_adam | _SpiNLock_: did you cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /usr/src/linux/.config before you re-compiled |
| 20:43.23 | jv | Alpha: you're welcome |
| 20:43.29 | thomas_adam | peterS: yes, I prefer the console :) |
| 20:43.44 | peterS | thomas_adam: what has that to do with anything? I prefer the console too, and use gpm on it |
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| 20:43.56 | thomas_adam | peterS: ah, I hate gpm -- scum of the earth |
| 20:44.20 | peterS | thomas_adam: it's the best mouse cut/paste application I know of for the Linux console |
| 20:44.27 | thomas_adam | peterS: indeed. |
| 20:44.32 | _SpiNLock_ | thomas_adam: no, i'm gonna try it |
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| 20:44.46 | thomas_adam | _SpiNLock_: then do a make oldconfig |
| 20:44.49 | Justin_ | peterS: screen |
| 20:45.02 | peterS | thomas_adam: and incidentially, having recently read the XFree86 mouse driver source, I think the gpm mouse handling is cleaner |
| 20:45.11 | peterS | Justin_: screen handles console mouse events now? |
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| 20:45.17 | thomas_adam | peterS: hmm, I have to *disagree* with that |
| 20:45.26 | Spider210 | Ok can someone tell me why my apache is displaying my site as a download... It worked for about the first 30min it was up and then it just turned into a "download" |
| 20:45.32 | thomas_adam | peterS: gpm when acting as a repeater is just annoying |
| 20:45.34 | peterS | thomas_adam: you've read the source for both too, then? |
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| 20:46.56 | streuner | argh |
| 20:47.01 | Spider210 | ? |
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| 20:47.18 | Spider210 | Ok can someone tell me why my apache is displaying my site as a download... It worked for about the first 30min it was up and then it just turned into a "download" |
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| 20:47.27 | thomas_adam | ~tell redrick about root |
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| 20:47.49 | as13 | Spider210 what do ou mean? |
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| 20:48.37 | Spider210 | did u get my pm |
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| 20:48.58 | geo_robert | ? |
| 20:49.20 | Spider210 | Ok can someone tell me why my apache is displaying my site as a download... It worked for about the first 30min it was up and then it just turned into a "download" |
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| 20:49.35 | as13 | Spider210 shit! |
| 20:49.39 | Spider210 | ya |
| 20:49.46 | redrick | Ja. |
| 20:49.47 | as13 | lynx ya.ru |
| 20:49.47 | Spider210 | it worked for about 30 min |
| 20:49.51 | Spider210 | if i remove |
| 20:49.52 | Spider210 | apache |
| 20:49.56 | Spider210 | and reinstall |
| 20:50.02 | Spider210 | it works for about 30 min |
| 20:50.04 | Spider210 | and does same thing |
| 20:50.17 | streuner | !tell Spider210 about enter |
| 20:50.24 | Spider210 | whats that |
| 20:50.36 | Spider210 | duh |
| 20:50.36 | Spider210 | lol |
| 20:50.38 | as13 | Spider210 thats cool! |
| 20:50.40 | streuner | Don't |
| 20:50.41 | streuner | use |
| 20:50.42 | streuner | too |
| 20:50.44 | streuner | much |
| 20:50.46 | streuner | of |
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| 20:50.47 | streuner | that |
| 20:50.52 | streuner | bullshit |
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| 20:50.59 | Spider210 | ok, i get you, thanks |
| 20:51.03 | Spider210 | :P |
| 20:51.17 | gooodies | I forgot what package is 'play' in, can someone remind me. thx |
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| 20:51.37 | streuner | bplay |
| 20:51.44 | Profoss | sox? |
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| 20:51.53 | Profoss | i think |
| 20:51.57 | gooodies | thanks |
| 20:52.13 | Spider210 | Anyone have an idea... |
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| 20:52.25 | as13 | Spider210 no, i dont |
| 20:52.31 | Spider210 | http://www.onestop-hosting.net <-- and you'll see what i mean |
| 20:53.03 | streuner | Spider210: php? |
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| 20:54.57 | redrick | Fellow posed me the challenge of installing Debian on his new Dell box with Intel ICH5 Serial-ATA RAID chipset. |
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| 20:55.16 | redrick | Best I could suggest was either put it in PATA mode in the BIOS for installation... |
| 20:55.30 | thomas_adam | apt-get -f install |
| 20:55.37 | redrick | ...or make a custom netinst image with a custom kernel adding the new libata driver. |
| 20:55.49 | redrick | Any better ideas? |
| 20:56.39 | thomas_adam | redrick: I would go with the latter suggestion |
| 20:57.01 | redrick | thomas_adam: A fair amount more bother. ;-> |
| 20:57.08 | thomas_adam | redrick: *shrug* |
| 20:57.15 | streuner | ~sata |
| 20:57.17 | | well, sata is You'll need Jeff Garzik's libata patch for Serial ATA support, about which see http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . If you need that in your installer, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ on how to craft your own netinst with a homemade custom kernel. If that seems like a lot of trouble, it's price you pay for using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or <Reply> more evil |
| 20:57.18 | Justin_ | knoopix+debootstrap would probably work |
| 20:57.44 | redrick | streuner: Guess who told apt that data item? ;-> |
| 20:57.54 | thomas_adam | hahaha |
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| 20:59.31 | redrick | Having been too impoverished to buy hardware for a few years, I don't know the ins and outs of SATA. |
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| 20:59.42 | as13 | having good time... |
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| 21:00.28 | redrick | This Intel ICH5 thing, for example: Defaults to RAID mode? Experience with oh-so-super Intel chipsets suggests it's probably some poxy software RAID? |
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| 21:01.32 | as13 | ide-linux.org? |
| 21:01.39 | redrick | Justin_: Appreciate the knoppix+debootstrap suggestion. Yes, that or MEPIS etc. would probably suffice. |
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| 21:02.26 | ffeingol | Can anyone tell me if Debian supports the Adaptec 2010S ZCR raid adapter? |
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| 21:02.40 | r00t__ | shit man |
| 21:02.42 | r00t__ | it still dosent work |
| 21:02.43 | redrick | ffeingol: What's the chipset on that? |
| 21:02.49 | Hal9002 | is there a way of patching my 2.4.23-grsec source to 2.4.24-grsec, or do i need to download the whole 2.4.24 source, then patch it with grsec? |
| 21:02.50 | gravity | !doesn't work |
| 21:02.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:02.58 | r00t__ | how the hell do you get X to play nicely with new kernels? |
| 21:02.59 | ffeingol | one sec redrick |
| 21:03.23 | Justin_ | redrick: all the debian installer does is run debootstrap anyway |
| 21:03.34 | r00t__ | XIO: fatal IO (connection reset by peer) |
| 21:03.38 | r00t__ | on the local box |
| 21:03.39 | Justin_ | !tell r00t__ about X problem |
| 21:03.39 | redrick | Justin_: Well, yes, that and a few other things. ;-> |
| 21:03.42 | r00t__ | i mean wtf |
| 21:03.43 | Justin_ | !tell r00t__ about 2.6 problems |
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| 21:04.02 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.05 | jetscreamer | where do you put idebus=66 to enable udma4? append in lilo.conf? |
| 21:04.11 | r00t__ | its a 2.4.24 problem |
| 21:04.12 | bryan | hello all. thanks for all the selfless help given here. i'm having trouble with a new install. 2.2.x kernels boot fine, but 2.4 and 2.6 kernel panic on each boot when trying to mount the root FS. The hard disk controller is a VIA VT686B. Why might 2.2 work but not the more recent versions? |
| 21:04.30 | streuner | jetscreamer: apt-get install hdparm? |
| 21:04.34 | jetscreamer | did you put initrd=/initrd.img in your lilo.conf bryan? |
| 21:04.39 | peterS | jetscreamer: you normally do not need to force the 'idebus' parameter. I don't think it's related to udma modes in any case, just pio modes |
| 21:04.40 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: uh do you even have the slightest clue what idebus= does? |
| 21:04.44 | ffeingol | redrick: it starts out as an Adaptec AIC-7902 dual chanel controller. When you put in the 2010S, it adds RAID |
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| 21:05.01 | jv | jetscreamer: look for hdparm and -X parameter |
| 21:05.07 | jetscreamer | Justin_, i know on boot the msg says my hd's are at 33 not 66 and it says to put that |
| 21:05.09 | bryan | jetscreamer: yup. it's definitely booting the new images, they just kernel panic when trying to mount the root fs |
| 21:05.21 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 21:05.25 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: no, thats not what it says at all |
| 21:05.53 | bryan | jetscreamer: might i need to load a module to support the controller? is there a way to do a modconf on a non-running kernel? |
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| 21:06.08 | r00t__ | fuck |
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| 21:06.13 | jetscreamer | bryan, i'm not very good but that was my one suggestion.. :( |
| 21:06.19 | r00t__ | fatalserver error no screens found |
| 21:06.20 | r00t__ | wtf |
| 21:06.30 | Justin_ | r00t__: STOP WHINING |
| 21:06.34 | r00t__ | i compiled the i810 shit into the kernel |
| 21:06.36 | Justin_ | !tell r00t__ about X problem |
| 21:06.38 | bryan | jetscreamer: ok, thanks for trying! |
| 21:06.39 | r00t__ | (my chipset) |
| 21:06.50 | r00t__ | Justin: i doubt its the X configs |
| 21:06.54 | redrick | ffeingol: If it's genuine hardware RAID, then the RAID structure will be transparent to Linux. Try just assuming the AIC-7902 portion works with the AIC7xxx driver, and see what happens. |
| 21:06.56 | as13 | by the Way, anybody know what idebus speed is on 486 isa or vesa controller? |
| 21:07.06 | r00t__ | as im installing a new kernel |
| 21:07.10 | gravity | r00t__: Are you using the framebuffer? |
| 21:07.13 | r00t__ | (security reasons) |
| 21:07.14 | r00t__ | yes |
| 21:07.21 | r00t__ | i tried it without too |
| 21:07.26 | r00t__ | still didnt work |
| 21:07.29 | ffeingol | redrick: hehe. It's a 3K server. Don't really want to make any assumptions before I buy it ;) |
| 21:07.37 | bryan | does anyone know of a way of configuring the modules that a kernel loads (ala modconf) without booting the kernel? I have a feeling the module for my HDD controller isn't loading in 2.4/2.6, so i'm getting kernel panics |
| 21:07.38 | ffeingol | and yes, it's real hardware raid |
| 21:07.42 | r00t__ | so either dpkg-reconfigure isnt weiting it |
| 21:07.46 | r00t__ | or im fucked |
| 21:07.48 | gravity | r00t__: No screens found is usually due to trying to use a framebuffer that isn't there |
| 21:07.55 | as13 | and is it ok when it says dont know speed, assuming 50 mhz? |
| 21:08.11 | r00t__ | gravity: then dpkg-reconfigure dosent work |
| 21:08.14 | r00t__ | fuck |
| 21:08.16 | gravity | Ugh |
| 21:08.22 | r00t__ | pos |
| 21:08.23 | gravity | !doesn't work |
| 21:08.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:08.34 | jetscreamer | Justin_, i was close kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
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| 21:08.47 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: no, you were not even close |
| 21:08.58 | r00t__ | gravity: i reconfigged Xservr through it NOT to use frame buffer |
| 21:09.00 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: what is the "system bus speed" what are "PIO modes"? |
| 21:09.03 | r00t__ | but it uses it anyway |
| 21:09.20 | gravity | r00t__: Did you modify the config file by hand at all? |
| 21:09.24 | gravity | At any point? |
| 21:09.37 | r00t__ | whats up with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:09.39 | jetscreamer | programmed input output and you mean the bus not the udma i take it |
| 21:09.43 | r00t__ | its not writing the changed |
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| 21:10.06 | pmwilson | i can't seem to find the right java (jvm) factoid... which source should i use to get j2se packages, mozilla plugins, etc. tux.org or jopa.studentenweb.org ? is it that jopa has blackdown and tux.org has sun? (for unstable) |
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| 21:10.43 | r00t__ | gravity: should i move the configs to the side and have deb make new ones? |
| 21:10.51 | as13 | jetscreamer what are you talking about? |
| 21:11.00 | gravity | r00t__: Hang on, I'm looking for the docs |
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| 21:11.36 | jetscreamer | one would think, the msg being poststioned where it is, that it's talking about the hard disks |
| 21:11.42 | jetscreamer | Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 |
| 21:11.44 | jetscreamer | ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 21:11.45 | jetscreamer | kernel: SIS5513: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:02.5 |
| 21:11.54 | gravity | r00t__: I would. And copy the config file with .dpkg-old suffix in to their place, then dpkg-reconfigure and see if it writes it |
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| 21:12.10 | gravity | r00t__: See /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 21:12.15 | gravity | r00t__: If you're in sid, that is |
| 21:12.22 | r00t__ | im in sid |
| 21:12.43 | gravity | r00t__: Then definitely read that file |
| 21:12.52 | as13 | jetscreamer and why those messages about the hard disks? |
| 21:13.24 | jetscreamer | afaikt in my limited fashion my hd's are running at udma2 not 4 |
| 21:14.01 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 21:14.01 | r00t__ | it dosent exist |
| 21:14.02 | dpkg | Yes, jetscreamer, you're still online. |
| 21:14.07 | r00t__ | oo |
| 21:14.09 | r00t__ | wait |
| 21:14.13 | jetscreamer | pregnannt silence? |
| 21:14.40 | thomas_away | jetscreamer: have you ran hdparm -Tt /dev/hdxx |
| 21:14.59 | Spider210 | http://www.onestop-hosting.net <-- and you'll see what i mean - help me so it doesn't ask to download / |
| 21:15.00 | jetscreamer | not yet thomas_away i wanted to read the man first :/ |
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| 21:15.08 | wethion | hey folks.. I just installed a radeon 9600 pro, and had to use ATI's prop. driver package. I had MESA installed, and now when I try and upgrade, dpkg spits back at me: trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-glc22 and dpkg quits. suggestions/workarounds? |
| 21:15.15 | jetscreamer | i tried it once a while ago messed somthing up :() |
| 21:15.27 | thomas_away | jetscreamer: hmm, be careful |
| 21:15.40 | as13 | jetscreamer: and why do you think it should run dma4? |
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| 21:16.02 | bsims | anyone know when gimp 2.x will be in sid? |
| 21:16.05 | jetscreamer | because my mb and hd's are udma4 capable? |
| 21:16.28 | Justin_ | Spider210: you idiot, your page starts with "html>" |
| 21:17.49 | Spider210 | justin: what do u mean??? |
| 21:17.57 | thomas_away | Spider210: html source |
| 21:18.02 | Spider210 | it works if i uninstall apache then, reinstall |
| 21:18.05 | pmwilson | which java packages should i use? the ones from tux.org or jopa.studentenweb.org ? |
| 21:18.16 | as13 | jetscreamer: you havent installed the correct driver in your kernel i think |
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| 21:18.34 | r00t__ | gravity: i did that |
| 21:18.40 | Justin_ | wethion: you want to use dpkg-divert. |
| 21:18.44 | r00t__ | gravity: it dosent write ANY files |
| 21:18.46 | r00t__ | ATALL |
| 21:18.50 | Justin_ | wethion: whoever made those packages was an idiot |
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| 21:19.04 | Spider210 | justin: no its not the source |
| 21:19.11 | wethion | Justin_: Cool, will investigate. Thanks much. |
| 21:19.14 | r00t__ | gravity: |
| 21:19.20 | r00t__ | gravity: you there? |
| 21:19.22 | r00t__ | please |
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| 21:19.26 | Spider210 | justin: I have uploaded other pages and it still doesn't work |
| 21:19.27 | gravity | r00t__: Hang one |
| 21:19.28 | r00t__ | i have to work in 2 min |
| 21:19.34 | sussudio | !hurrt |
| 21:19.39 | sussudio | !hurry |
| 21:19.39 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 21:19.44 | Fransozich | Hi all, my X doen's seem to have some needed fonts installed... how do I check / correct that? |
| 21:19.53 | hailstorm | Hello. I upgraded to Kernel 2.6 and X is no longer able to use my PS/2. I.e. it crashes with: failed to initialise core devices. How do I resolve this problem? Thanks for any help |
| 21:20.07 | Spider210 | justin: if i apt-get remove apache then apt-get install apache... it works for about 30 min, and then it stops working and asks to download / |
| 21:20.08 | r00t__ | sussudio: yes i am |
| 21:20.17 | Justin_ | hmm |
| 21:20.18 | jetscreamer | Fransozich, apt-get install -f might help maybe |
| 21:20.18 | r00t__ | sussudio: i have work sssooonnn |
| 21:20.26 | r00t__ | gravity: |
| 21:20.35 | thomas_away | jetscreamer: err apt-get -f install |
| 21:20.37 | r00t__ | it just dosent do anything |
| 21:20.40 | lazarus | hailstorm: make menuconfig |
| 21:20.43 | jetscreamer | or just apt-get install missing_fonts if you know the names |
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| 21:20.56 | jetscreamer | sorry -f install |
| 21:21.00 | redrick | pity fffeingol disappeared. I think his Adaptec 2010S ZCR RAID adapter would require the aac driver. |
| 21:21.12 | Fransozich | jetscreamer, the font needed is lucida I think xine needs it, what does apt-get install -f do? |
| 21:21.12 | Justin_ | Spider210: its sending it as "x-server-parsed-html" |
| 21:21.22 | hailstorm | lazarus: I'm not compiling my own kernel. Just tell me which module I need to make sure is loaded |
| 21:21.32 | thomas_away | Fransozich: nothing, but apt-get -f install will fix any dependencies |
| 21:21.34 | Justin_ | Spider210: your .shtml hander is off |
| 21:21.44 | lazarus | hailstorm: lol, guess again |
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| 21:22.01 | r00t__ | gravity??? |
| 21:22.04 | r00t__ | any ideas |
| 21:22.14 | gravity | r00t__: Don't /msg me |
| 21:22.14 | Fransozich | jetscreamer, apt-get install -f didn't do anything and apt-get install lucida neither.. apt-cache search lucida didn't give me any answer.. |
| 21:22.18 | lazarus | hailstorm: i'm not going to "just tell you" any such thing |
| 21:22.19 | Spider210 | justin: how would I fix this then |
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| 21:22.23 | r00t__ | gravity can you help |
| 21:22.25 | Justin_ | Spider210: grep shtml /etc/apache/* |
| 21:22.30 | r00t__ | i must go to work |
| 21:22.33 | jetscreamer | lucidia does that come with msttcorefonts? |
| 21:22.36 | thomas_away | Fransozich: I just told you what to do |
| 21:22.42 | gravity | r00t__: And you copied the .dpkg-old file to XF86Config-4? |
| 21:22.47 | amphi | jetscreamer: no |
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| 21:22.54 | r00t__ | no |
| 21:22.55 | jetscreamer | hmmm dunno |
| 21:22.55 | Fransozich | thomas_away, it doens't work |
| 21:22.55 | gravity | r00t__: Ok... if you /msg me again I won't help |
| 21:23.02 | gravity | r00t__: Well do that |
| 21:23.08 | thomas_away | ~tell Fransozich about doesn't work |
| 21:23.12 | gravity | r00t__: Did you read the file I pointed you to? It explains it |
| 21:23.31 | r00t__ | yes |
| 21:23.41 | Fransozich | jetscreamer I don"t know.. |
| 21:23.47 | r00t__ | the only dpkg-old is the file X.dpkg-old |
| 21:23.51 | r00t__ | i copied over that |
| 21:23.54 | r00t__ | now |
| 21:23.55 | Fransozich | thomas_away, apt-get -f don't fix anything |
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| 21:24.06 | gravity | r00t__: There's no XF86Config-4.dpkg.old? |
| 21:24.10 | gravity | r00t__: That should be there |
| 21:24.21 | Fransozich | jetscreamer, I don"t know.. |
| 21:24.26 | Spider210 | justin: I don't know what next to do ... Here I'm pm you what it gave |
| 21:24.31 | Fransozich | about the msttcorefonts |
| 21:24.42 | gravity | r00t__: In /etc/X11 |
| 21:24.42 | gnupengwyn | Debootstrao Errir Ciykdn't download libgcrypt7 (anyone know how to fix that?) |
| 21:24.59 | Fransozich | any other idea thomas_away ? |
| 21:25.05 | gnupengwyn | Debootstrap Error Couldn't download libgcrypt7 (anyone know how to fix that?) |
| 21:25.17 | jetscreamer | Fransozich, http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/cee/iso8859-2.html maybe |
| 21:25.19 | r00t__ | gravity: yes |
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| 21:25.25 | r00t__ | gravity: its a binary file |
| 21:25.31 | gravity | r00t__: It is? |
| 21:25.32 | r00t__ | gravity: X |
| 21:25.35 | r00t__ | gravity: X is |
| 21:25.42 | gravity | r00t__: Yes, X is in fact, a binary file |
| 21:25.43 | Midian | Hi, I have a problem with oidentd |
| 21:25.45 | r00t__ | gravity: the rest arent there |
| 21:25.56 | Midian | if I don't use --reply=xxx it will just reply error |
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| 21:26.20 | gravity | r00t__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should be there. If it's not, something went very wrong, so I'd purge and reinstall the package |
| 21:26.26 | Sebo | Hi guys. I am connecting my local LAN to my ISP via a dialup DSL connection. A router running Debian is doing the job. I'd like to have a detailed log: start time, end time, amount of data transfered. How can I implement that? Please give me a hint. Thanks. |
| 21:26.31 | Fransozich | jetscreamer, after asking on the xine channel, it seems that lucida is one of the core font of X ... so it's not a microsoft font.. |
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| 21:26.51 | Spider210 | justin: heres what that command gave me www.aoh-clan.com/test2.txt |
| 21:26.57 | r00t__ | gravity: what do i do to get the thing working |
| 21:27.07 | r00t__ | it just WONT right any fucking files |
| 21:27.11 | r00t__ | it refuses |
| 21:27.17 | gravity | r00t__: purge and reinstall xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:27.35 | thomas_away | r00t__: apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 xserver-xfree86+ |
| 21:27.42 | r00t__ | ok |
| 21:27.44 | Justin_ | Spider210: why do you have an http.conf and an http.conf.old |
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| 21:27.52 | thomas_away | Justin_: backup copies |
| 21:27.53 | plugwash | is sarge likely to ship with 2.6.x as the default? |
| 21:28.01 | Kraig | Sebo: do you mean things like uptime, netstat -s, or am i wrong? |
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| 21:28.05 | Justin_ | thomas_away: except that the old one is right and the new one is wrong |
| 21:28.14 | thomas_away | Justin_: LOL, he's a drone then. |
| 21:28.22 | r00t__ | bbl |
| 21:28.22 | Justin_ | /etc/apache/httpd.conf.old: AddHandler server-parsed .shtml |
| 21:28.26 | Justin_ | /etc/apache/httpd.conf: server-parsed-shtml |
| 21:28.30 | Justin_ | uhhh right |
| 21:28.33 | r00t__ | could you message me the purge command |
| 21:28.34 | ercin | anyone knows a dvdsub ripper ?? |
| 21:28.37 | thomas_away | r00t__: apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 xserver-xfree86+ |
| 21:28.46 | Justin_ | !tell ercin about mplayer |
| 21:28.48 | Spider210 | justin: i am new to this stuff what do i do |
| 21:29.08 | Justin_ | Spider210: why did you delete random things from http.conf |
| 21:29.11 | gravity | r00t__: You're using sid and you don't know how to purge packages!?! |
| 21:29.14 | gravity | ffs |
| 21:29.29 | Spider210 | i didn't delete anything from httpd.conf |
| 21:29.31 | ercin | huh mplayer rips dvdsubs huh..... thats g0000d :)) |
| 21:29.48 | Justin_ | Spider210: yes, you did |
| 21:30.02 | Justin_ | you changed |
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| 21:30.14 | Justin_ | /etc/apache/httpd.conf.old: AddType text/html .shtml |
| 21:30.14 | Justin_ | /etc/apache/httpd.conf.old: AddHandler server-parsed .shtml |
| 21:30.16 | Sebo | Kraig: I meant something different. It's a dialup connection, so my router establishes and takes down a lot of connections. For each time a connection is established, I'd like to log that. For each time a connection is taken down, I'd like to log that too together with the amount of data transferred. |
| 21:30.24 | Justin_ | into "/etc/apache/httpd.conf: server-parsed-shtml" |
| 21:30.29 | Justin_ | but no, you didn't do that |
| 21:30.44 | Spider210 | must have been my friend who tried to fix it |
| 21:30.50 | Spider210 | but how can i fix it |
| 21:30.51 | Justin_ | oh what the fuck! |
| 21:30.58 | Spider210 | he said he knew how to fix it |
| 21:30.59 | Spider210 | lol |
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| 21:31.00 | streuner | hmm |
| 21:31.03 | Justin_ | NOW you meantion that your "friend" tried to "fix" it |
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| 21:31.04 | Justin_ | ig ive up |
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| 21:31.50 | Spider210 | so what do i do now |
| 21:32.07 | Spider210 | change the .old to the normal one? |
| 21:32.10 | Kraig | Sebo: i'm sure you just have to read about netstat and use an script for ir, doesn't seem to be so hard |
| 21:32.51 | Sebo | Kraig: thanks for your hint. I'll try to follow that path... |
| 21:33.09 | streuner | Spider210: read some docs at apache.org or/and buy a good book |
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| 21:33.50 | hanasaki | installing woody got the error "error while configuring base packages" any way to track down a bit more info? theres nothign else provided |
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| 21:34.24 | jetscreamer | so how do you fix the new keymap error in sid |
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| 21:34.36 | thomas_away | jetscreamer: man loadkeys |
| 21:34.48 | streuner | jetscreamer: nothing in BTS? |
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| 21:35.13 | blpharis | isn't there an easier way to configure X like Xconfigurator, dpkg-reconfigure xf86 is turning out to be a pain |
| 21:35.15 | bizkit | can aynone suggest me a good, small and fast windowmanager blackbox-like? (I'd like viewports) - Kahakai is bloated, imho because of the python scripts (needs much more ram like waimea did..) |
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| 21:35.34 | blpharis | bizkit: seen fluxbox |
| 21:35.34 | bizkit | blpharis: Niestety nie widzialem nigdzie nicka fluxbox. |
| 21:35.39 | streuner | blpharis: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 21:35.44 | gravity | blpharis: Install discover, mdetect, and read-edid before doing dpkg-reconfigure to make your life easier |
| 21:35.56 | bghfhfg | When I try to log in as root, I type 'root' at the 'username' prompt, and nothing happens. No password. No shell. No prompt. No keyboard response. What's wrong? |
| 21:36.04 | gravity | bizkit: pwm |
| 21:36.04 | bizkit | blpharis: sorrym the "seen" irssi script ;). yes, i tried fluxbox.. |
| 21:36.14 | bizkit | gravity: thx, i'll have a look |
| 21:36.22 | Spider210 | ok now my site works and watch in like 30 min it won't - :( |
| 21:36.51 | blpharis | thanks gravity, ill try it now |
| 21:37.01 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: odd, man chsh |
| 21:38.11 | caphuso | bghfhfg: what 'username' prompt? |
| 21:38.29 | thomas_away | caphuso: he means at login I would say |
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| 21:39.21 | caphuso | thomas_away: wouldn't that be a 'hostname login' prompt then? |
| 21:39.34 | thomas_away | caphuso: by his convention, perhaps. |
| 21:40.01 | thomas_away | caphuso: but you know what these cluebies are like. |
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| 21:40.58 | bghfhfg | caphuso: At boot. thomas_away: I can't get to a shell before I log in at boot. |
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| 21:41.18 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: then you have hosed /etc/passwd |
| 21:41.21 | bghfhfg | I mean t the prompt where I was obviously supposed to enter my username. |
| 21:41.24 | bghfhfg | I did? |
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| 21:41.29 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: or your perms are shagged |
| 21:41.58 | caphuso | or PAM is or bash got fucked all over or one of a few dozen other reasons |
| 21:42.10 | thomas_away | caphuso: good point re: PAM |
| 21:42.15 | caphuso | bghfhfg: does booting into single user mode still work? |
| 21:42.25 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: use a rescue CD to chroot over |
| 21:42.44 | bghfhfg | Here's the line for root in /etc/passwd. is there anything wrong with it? root::0:0:System Administrator:/root:/bin/ash caphuse: What do you mean? |
| 21:42.45 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: that's "linux S" at lilo |
| 21:43.02 | thomas_away | ash? |
| 21:43.04 | thomas_away | hmm |
| 21:43.12 | thomas_away | that's tiny |
| 21:43.14 | chris` | People willingly use ash? |
| 21:43.16 | thomas_away | any reason for not using bash |
| 21:43.21 | thomas_away | ? |
| 21:43.28 | thomas_away | chris`: I hope not. |
| 21:43.32 | bghfhfg | Yes: I'm on a boot floppy and it's too big. |
| 21:43.38 | streuner | hm, seems somebody played with it... |
| 21:43.40 | thomas_away | ah |
| 21:43.47 | thomas_away | bghfhfg: that's important |
| 21:44.00 | gravity | No password? |
| 21:44.07 | caphuso | why do you need a shell on a boot floppy? |
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| 21:44.35 | bghfhfg | Ummm... To access the system? You can't do that much without a shell... |
| 21:44.57 | bghfhfg | thomas_away: Why is it important? |
| 21:44.58 | jetscreamer | well it says bugsRfiled |
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| 21:45.00 | bizkit | does anyone have experience with "mailgraph" of David Schweikert? the graph iimages it generates for me are just empty with the string "Mailgraph" in it - any ideas? |
| 21:45.04 | chris` | That's not the point of a boot floppy though |
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| 21:45.19 | caphuso | bghfhfg: wait... is that the root entry of the /etc/passwd on the system you can't log in to or not? |
| 21:45.43 | bghfhfg | THat's the /etc/passwd on the boot floppy I'm trying to log into. |
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| 21:46.11 | caphuso | bghfhfg: and WTF are you asking about some random broken boot floppy in #debian? |
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| 21:46.23 | gravity | Isn't a boot floppy just meant to boot the main system? |
| 21:46.30 | seth | I have an annoying little problem with debian sid and 2.6.0: in any text console I have a permanent error output saying "end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 0". Any ideas how to get rid of that message or what it means? |
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| 21:46.40 | thomas_away | gravity: no, that's a rescue disk |
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| 21:47.10 | chris` | streuner: ewww |
| 21:47.12 | bghfhfg | seth: It means Linux can't read sector 0 on your second hard drive. |
| 21:47.19 | gravity | thomas_away: Not by my definition. What he's looking at seems to be more of a rescue disk |
| 21:47.39 | bghfhfg | Anyway, how do I fix it? |
| 21:47.51 | gravity | thomas_away: Rescue disks would have busybox on them and such. Bootfloppy just loads the system normally (like if lilo is broken or something) |
| 21:48.02 | caphuso | bghfhfg: first step: find an IRC channel where you are on topic with your question |
| 21:48.11 | thomas_away | gravity: AFAICR, I thought tomsrtbt did use busybox |
| 21:48.19 | seth | bghfhfg, I didn't get that message before I upgraded to 2.6.0. Are there any ways to stop it apperaing permanently in the text console? |
| 21:48.26 | gravity | thomas_away: I have no idea if he's using tomsrtbt |
| 21:48.30 | bghfhfg | caphuso: What one would you suggest? |
| 21:48.51 | caphuso | bghfhfg: how the hell would i know? |
| 21:49.12 | bghfhfg | Do you have any idea how many IRC channels there are? |
| 21:49.17 | gravity | thomas_away: A boot floppy generated in the debian install doesn't do anything but act as a backup for lilo though |
| 21:49.40 | win | how do you remove a password for a user in mysql? |
| 21:49.45 | thomas_away | gravity: why are you telling me all of this? :) |
| 21:49.49 | caphuso | and mkboot isn't called mkrescue |
| 21:50.05 | ural | sup all |
| 21:50.06 | gravity | thomas_away: Just clarifying terminology |
| 21:50.18 | thomas_away | gravity: umm, yeah, whatever. Thanks. |
| 21:50.20 | ural | bak :) |
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| 21:50.31 | bghfhfg | How do I actually log in? |
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| 21:50.36 | streuner | jetscreamer: you fix the error yet? |
| 21:50.49 | streuner | s/fix/fixed/ |
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| 21:51.48 | joepat | is there a package that have php4 module for apache2? I can't find it in my /usr/lib/apache2/modules |
| 21:51.54 | caphuso | joepat: no |
| 21:52.27 | joepat | caphuso: so I need to rebuild php4? |
| 21:52.34 | ural | lo thomas_away |
| 21:52.36 | caphuso | joepat: better use apache 1.3 |
| 21:52.42 | gnupengwyn | if a file say libgcryp7 is missing from the debian installer is there any way to continue to install the base system? |
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| 21:53.06 | streuner | gnupengwyn: which installer do you use? |
| 21:53.17 | gnupengwyn | i don't know |
| 21:53.23 | gnupengwyn | mixed ones |
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| 21:53.55 | streuner | gnupengwyn: how big is the iso in MB? |
| 21:53.59 | thomas_away | ural: watcher |
| 21:54.18 | gnupengwyn | floppyboot from sid isolinux (corrupt cd) and floppy.img from sid, and net_drivers.img from sid |
| 21:54.38 | gnupengwyn | 650MB dis 1 of 13 (i only have 1) |
| 21:54.40 | ural | thomas_adam, ????????/ |
| 21:54.50 | streuner | gnupengwyn: Where did you download the iso? |
| 21:55.03 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: that's what you get for using the single most stupid way to install debian |
| 21:55.11 | gnupengwyn | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/sid-i386-1.iso |
| 21:55.13 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: hope it was fun |
| 21:55.41 | thomas_adam | ural: "wotcher" == "watch ya" == "hi" :) |
| 21:55.45 | gnupengwyn | i have a woody disk BUT, my hardware don't work |
| 21:56.00 | gnupengwyn | e.g. no e1000 Gigabit lan |
| 21:56.14 | streuner | gnupengwyn: use one of the woody-netinstall-isos, /msg dpkg d-i backup or/and /msg dpkg di |
| 21:56.18 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: a using an installer that's known to be not working helps why? |
| 21:56.23 | ural | thomas_adam, ahhhh |
| 21:56.28 | caphuso | s/a us/and us/ |
| 21:56.40 | thomas_adam | ural: play on words |
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| 21:57.01 | jetscreamer | streuner, nah, it's minor so i'm still reading around |
| 21:57.07 | ural | thomas_adam, im too tired to see |
| 21:57.26 | jetscreamer | the keymap? no, all i found were bugs filed |
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| 21:57.38 | thomas_adam | ural: I know how you feel. |
| 21:57.39 | jetscreamer | table 128 must die! |
| 21:57.55 | streuner | jetscreamer: hm, iam searching at incoming, might be that it is fixed yet... |
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| 21:58.01 | KarlosII | Anyone know oh a distro that has compaq smart array 2/p raid support in it's kernel? |
| 21:58.05 | ural | thomas_adam, no sleep last night |
| 21:58.05 | redrick | gnupengwyn: Need an installer with really cutting-edge e1000 drivers? |
| 21:58.16 | joepat | what is that apxs? I can't find it |
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| 21:58.36 | thomas_adam | joepat: it's an apache related file, iirc |
| 21:58.36 | gnupengwyn | reddrick yeah, i want to salvage what is working on this CD get a base system with network up |
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| 21:59.11 | gnupengwyn | once i got the network i'm set. but i didn't expect the base system to be bad too |
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| 21:59.51 | tom | Hi -- I'm trying to open up my system to allow bittorrent to work both ways. Can I just add bittorrent: ALL to hosts.allow? (I'm behind an external firewall which is now forwarding 6881-9 to this box). |
| 21:59.56 | redrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.08 | gnupengwyn | there was nothing in the debootstrap.err.log at all, but i can see it dies on "validating libgcrypt7 if i had that file and knew where it went, maybe it will finish the base install? |
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| 22:01.00 | redrick | gnupengwyn: If you want to repair your existing system's e1000 support, have fun retrofitting a better kernel + modules without network support. ;-> |
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| 22:01.03 | streuner | redrick: d-i backup should do the tric too |
| 22:01.15 | redrick | streuner: Good to hear. |
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| 22:01.16 | bizkit | is there any ogg and mp3 player available that has a gui and is good to play large collections? (xmms uses about 70MB of ram when i load the complete playlist!) |
| 22:01.35 | gnupengwyn | it has network right now. BUt i can't get past the base-system install |
| 22:01.37 | bancus | rhythmbox in sid |
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| 22:02.24 | bancus | actually. I guess it's just as bad, using 68MB |
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| 22:02.32 | redrick | gnupengwyn: Pardon the detail-mania, but: Do you mean installation of Debian Base is successful, or not? |
| 22:02.42 | gnupengwyn | nevermind. this is insane, the boot disks are non-existant, the cd is corrupt. I'm on a modem, you can't buy sid cd/dvd set. |
| 22:02.44 | gnupengwyn | No success |
| 22:02.50 | blpharis | err. I used mdetect and it exits after a few seconds. dohh, means it can't find the mouse |
| 22:02.54 | streuner | redrick: of course not :-) |
| 22:02.54 | gnupengwyn | the base will not install |
| 22:03.02 | blpharis | i don't understand why |
| 22:03.03 | caphuso | someone should explain this whole "unstable" thing to gnupengwyn |
| 22:03.06 | blpharis | ive nver had a problem |
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| 22:03.23 | streuner | gnupengwyn: download d-i backup and upgrade to sid |
| 22:03.23 | redrick | gnupengwyn: Condolences. Suggest you try a suitable netinst. |
| 22:03.26 | bancus | actually, most of that is shared libraries |
| 22:03.34 | redrick | gnupengwyn: What streuner said. ;-> |
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| 22:03.40 | bancus | there are 5 entries for a 8MB theme engine library |
| 22:04.19 | gazzu | hi, how can I install printer drivers for an HP-deskjet3650? |
| 22:04.36 | gnupengwyn | well thanks. for the suggestions. |
| 22:04.37 | streuner | caphuso: nah, i gave up on this :-) |
| 22:04.55 | ribnitz | gazzu: usb or parallel? |
| 22:04.57 | thiccups | gnupengwyn: you dont have an old NIC you could use to netinstall then upgrade to testing/unstable then get a new kernel that supports your e1000 |
| 22:05.01 | gnupengwyn | there isn't a set of floppys that you can do a net install of sid is there? |
| 22:05.06 | redrick | gazzu: First stop, http://www.linuxprinting.org/ |
| 22:05.26 | redrick | gnupengwyn: I think so. |
| 22:05.29 | gazzu | THANKS guys! |
| 22:05.33 | gnupengwyn | the network is up right now. twas my point |
| 22:05.38 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: you can't install sid directly |
| 22:05.46 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: get that into your skull |
| 22:05.51 | ribnitz | gazzu: Do install cups, it usually supports hp printers well |
| 22:05.58 | gnupengwyn | okay. can i do it from woody? |
| 22:06.11 | caphuso | gnupengwyn: i don't know. i could |
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| 22:06.23 | ribnitz | gnupengwyn: yes, but you wont be happy with the result. |
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| 22:06.43 | streuner | gnupengwyn: what is so 'hard' to just upgrade to sid? you only install a base-system, even a few MB to upgrade then... |
| 22:06.53 | gnupengwyn | right. |
| 22:06.56 | redrick | caphuso: What do http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/ install? I'm honestly curious. |
| 22:06.58 | ribnitz | gnupengwyn: sid is extremely unstable, and buggy, from a user point of view. |
| 22:07.17 | gnupengwyn | exactly streamer, the think is, woody has no network driver. |
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| 22:07.44 | caphuso | redrick: that's d-i |
| 22:07.51 | ribnitz | gnupengwyn: I installed woody over the net fine. |
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| 22:08.05 | streuner | gnupengwyn: the point is, blade's had some drivers... |
| 22:08.30 | gnupengwyn | i guess i should just track down libgcrypt7 and download and put it in whatever directory it's supposed to be in then debian installer can verify the bofh, and finish installing the base-system |
| 22:08.31 | redrick | gnupengwyn: Are you adverse to downloading a 30 MB netinst, too? |
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| 22:08.40 | blpharis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.54 | blpharis | discover and mdetect don't seem to output anything |
| 22:08.57 | HiRoMa | Having just installed openssh, must I edit hosts.allow with SSH=ALL to enable remote connections? |
| 22:09.02 | gnupengwyn | redrick: no as long as it isn't going backwards |
| 22:09.10 | blpharis | why am I having so much trouble with this |
| 22:09.12 | ribnitz | HiRoMa: nope. |
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| 22:09.31 | redrick | caphuso: Thanks. What I suspected. That _does_ install sid, though (beta quality installer, i386, PPC). |
| 22:09.39 | gnupengwyn | redrick: i just did 650 fro disk 1, and am at 280 for disk 2 |
| 22:09.46 | ribnitz | HiRoMa: you only need to start sshd, which sohulf be automagic |
| 22:09.58 | HiRoMa | ribnitz: Good! Thanks for the propmt answer. |
| 22:10.05 | streuner | gnupengwyn: stop that - now. |
| 22:10.21 | redrick | gnupengwyn: So, see my earlier suggestion about van Beekum's or Lemche's netinsts. |
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| 22:10.29 | streuner | You are wasting only bandwidth |
| 22:10.32 | ribnitz | HiRoMa: but read the respective man pages (host_access) I think |
| 22:11.02 | redrick | gnupengwyn: Second streuner's comment. Downloading entire full-sized ISOs is dumb. |
| 22:11.11 | HiRoMa | ribnitz; Yup, I'm reading about the keys. |
| 22:11.28 | ribnitz | redrick: ..for this case. :) |
| 22:11.57 | redrick | ribnitz: True. ;-> For most, though. |
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| 22:12.22 | ribnitz | redrick: I had cases where downloading isos was the only way. |
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| 22:12.42 | redrick | ribnitz: I'm sure. |
| 22:13.06 | gnupengwyn | hehe, all i know is my 3.2Ghz box has been worse than dos 3.1 for 3 days now. |
| 22:13.21 | gnupengwyn | but i am reading what you said. |
| 22:13.26 | thiccups | gnupengwyn: you must have windows on it |
| 22:13.28 | gnupengwyn | er what dpkg said |
| 22:13.41 | ribnitz | gnupengwyn: it will run like miracle. |
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| 22:14.17 | ribnitz | gnupengwyn: if you are lucky, you might even be able to run kde or gnome at acceptable speeds ;) |
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| 22:15.02 | Matalo | could somebody tell my why when i make simple tcp-clinet program in c and using sys/socket.h when i use adress where is specified port not open program hang's and won't do anything even not error msg |
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| 22:15.43 | TheDracle | Matalo: strace your program. |
| 22:15.58 | TheDracle | Matalo: You're probably not specifying a timeout. |
| 22:15.58 | elkrammer | How can i limit download rate to a pc on my LAN to 20 kbps (half of the total bandwidth) |
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| 22:16.16 | ribnitz | elkrammer: traffic shaping |
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| 22:16.34 | Matalo | and how should i specify timeout |
| 22:16.39 | TheDracle | Are they all on a local area network behind a router? |
| 22:16.44 | cassiopea | Hey all, where are the kernel logger files saved? |
| 22:16.45 | TheDracle | Matalo: Check the documentation. |
| 22:17.04 | Matalo | ??? like docs about socket.h |
| 22:17.05 | streuner | cassiopea: /var/log/ |
| 22:17.11 | TheDracle | /usr/var/log (logger dependant) |
| 22:17.14 | ribnitz | cassiopea: /var/log? |
| 22:17.22 | TheDracle | /var/log too :p |
| 22:17.47 | ribnitz | TheDracle: /usr/var.. looks borked. |
| 22:18.00 | TheDracle | Borked? |
| 22:18.08 | BrainMan | How can I make my soundcard work under debian? I have a creative audigy player |
| 22:18.09 | streuner | elkrammer: take a look at 'shaperd', it's easy to configure |
| 22:18.29 | streuner | !info shaperd |
| 22:18.35 | dpkg | shaperd: (A user-mode traffic shaper for tcp-ip networks), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 22:18.42 | ribnitz | BrainMan: 1) module 2) app that can play sound |
| 22:18.49 | andycb | im getting the error "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs" after i have just recompiled the kernel to 2.6.1.. most places say to change the /boot/param but i dont seem to have that file.. whats the debian equivalent that i need to change boot= in? |
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| 22:18.53 | BrainMan | ribnitz what module? |
| 22:19.03 | thomas_adam | can anyone recall the option I can pass to the kernel at the lilo prompt to stop it from loading PCMCIA ? |
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| 22:19.13 | thomas_adam | kingsley: hello |
| 22:19.13 | redrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.14 | ribnitz | BrainMan: try emu10k1 or such. |
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| 22:19.19 | streuner | andycb: custom kernel? |
| 22:19.28 | streuner | andycb: using kp? |
| 22:19.32 | kingsley | thomas_adam: Hello |
| 22:19.32 | ribnitz | BrainMan: but really no idea |
| 22:19.33 | BrainMan | thanks ribnitz |
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| 22:20.02 | thiccups | andycb: either compile root fs into kernel Y or setup initrd |
| 22:20.25 | streuner | andycb: SCSI? |
| 22:20.36 | andycb | streuner: no |
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| 22:21.11 | andycb | thiccups: what do you mean setup initrd? |
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| 22:22.04 | andycb | should there be a /boot/param file in debian? |
| 22:22.24 | thiccups | andycb: i always include the roo fs in the kernel not as module |
| 22:22.27 | kingsley | The bowel constricting vampires at SCO evidently approached Google about licensing fees. |
| 22:22.40 | streuner | andycb: grep initrd .config and see if it's enabled or not |
| 22:23.11 | kingsley | SCO is like a 'roid. It keeps coming back with a vengance. |
| 22:23.22 | andycb | streuner: no such file or directory.. where is it? |
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| 22:23.44 | streuner | andycb: /usr/src/linux |
| 22:23.47 | andycb | thanks |
| 22:24.00 | thiccups | SCO has no vengence they are like an annoying gnat nothing scarey about the until they prove what they claim |
| 22:24.02 | gnupengwyn | hey guys i found the problem |
| 22:24.35 | XpTerminator | bye |
| 22:24.39 | andycb | streuner: does it matter the source is in /usr/src/linux-2.6.1 and not /usr/src/linux |
| 22:25.51 | cassiopea | kingsley: SCO is like a ho', it all it needs is a good spankin |
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| 22:25.51 | gnupengwyn | ==> RETR sid-i386-1.iso ... done. Length: 669,876,224 [16,449,536 to go] 97% [===================================> ] 653,454,200 2.75K/s ETA 1:37:14 |
| 22:25.51 | kingsley | SCO sounds pretty confident. They claim they never met a toilet they couldn't overlfow. |
| 22:25.51 | gnupengwyn | the iso was not downloaded all the way!!! duh |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | andycb: yep, i rename the folder always to linux, so... |
| 22:25.51 | caphuso | andycb: /usr/src/linux-2.6.1 is better |
| 22:25.52 | cassiopea | andycb, streuner: I think /usr/src/linux should be a symlink to the source tree your currently using |
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| 22:26.03 | caphuso | /usr/src/linux is obsolete |
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| 22:26.44 | SirOnion | hey all |
| 22:26.44 | amphi | caphuso: nothing wants it any more? It's something of a habit :) |
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| 22:26.56 | SirOnion | I need serious help with my vid card |
| 22:27.13 | sneppef | Hi - I have this annoying problem on a Debian testing. At the login prompt, I can type the ? (degree) character and a bunch of other characters (like the backquote). As soon as I log in as a user or as root, I can't type those character s anymore and I get something like '(arg: 0)' in a bash shell. At first I thought it was a X config problem but I have it at a virtual console too. Only exception so far seem to be some gnome apps li |
| 22:27.13 | sneppef | ke xchat/evolution/... where I can type the ? but not the backquote - Haven't tried that many programs - none of the xterms work. *Where* should I look on how to solve this. I even have an "strace -f" of the getty I logged in from, looked some of the files that were opened but couldn't solve my problem. Can anyone help me ? |
| 22:27.33 | caphuso | amphi: if something wants /usr/src/linux, then it's broken and needs fixing |
| 22:27.45 | SirOnion | I have an ati radeon 9600XT and I cant get it working with debian |
| 22:27.50 | kingsley | sneppef: Have you searched google? |
| 22:27.53 | karrot-x | Hmm, I just installed debian and I'm currently having mouse problems, I made a symlink to /dev/mouse from /dev/psaux and started X, but my I can't move the mouse. Does anyone know the problem? |
| 22:28.07 | SirOnion | when I tried to install the radeon drivers for it in the installation, it gave me errors |
| 22:28.07 | caphuso | sneppef: does the backquote appear when you hit space immidiately after pressing `? |
| 22:28.08 | karrot-x | s/my// |
| 22:28.21 | SirOnion | so right now I'm running in vga mode |
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| 22:28.40 | kingsley | karrot-x: Have you matched the mouse's hardware to your software config? |
| 22:29.01 | sneppef | kingsley: Yes, especially Dutch/Belgian newsgroups, caphuso: no, It doesn't, nor when I follow it by a normal character as it shoudl be... |
| 22:29.06 | karrot-x | kingsley: Umm, what do you mean? |
| 22:29.08 | streuner | SirOnion: visit ati and download their drivers |
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| 22:29.19 | SirOnion | strerror_work: ok, thanks |
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| 22:29.45 | kingsley | sneppef: Have you asked #xfree (which may be mispelled) |
| 22:29.45 | cassiopea | sneppef: Sounds like trouble with the character set you're using, although I'm not too sure of how you can change it |
| 22:29.55 | andycb | should there be a /boot/params file in debian? |
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| 22:30.10 | streuner | SirOnion: they have 3 version, 4,1 4,2 and 4,3 - if you using woody it's 4.1 then |
| 22:30.23 | streuner | s/version/versions/ |
| 22:30.33 | streuner | andycb: no |
| 22:30.38 | kingsley | karrot-x: You'll need to tell X Windows what kind of mouse you're using. (PS2, serial, two buttons, three, etc...) |
| 22:30.50 | karrot-x | Oh, let me check the config. |
| 22:31.03 | andycb | streuner: is there an equivalent |
| 22:31.03 | sneppef | kingsley: I have it on a normal console too. And again: I can get the correct characters when getty is asking for a username. It just goes wrong after the login. So I don't think xfree is to blame... |
| 22:31.24 | streuner | andycb: pardon? |
| 22:31.25 | kingsley | sneppef: Oh! I agree. |
| 22:31.32 | karrot-x | kingsley: Is it 'Option "PS2"' ? |
| 22:31.51 | andycb | streuner: is there a file that does the same thing in debian? |
| 22:31.57 | kingsley | sneppef: I'd check google and #xfree. |
| 22:31.58 | streuner | andycb: usually you are able to make entries in lilo.conf |
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| 22:32.14 | Kraig | jhg |
| 22:32.27 | kingsley | karrot-x: Yes, if you have a PS2 mouse. You need to know what kinds of mouse your hardware uses. |
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| 22:32.53 | karrot-x | kingsley: Ya, I know it's a PS2, sorry I didn't understand you earlyer :). |
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| 22:33.47 | kingsley | sneppef: It would be interesting to try a different login shell in /etc/passwd or check which programs your shell, which may be bash, is using. Or I suppose you may have a buggy bash, so #bash is a resource too. |
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| 22:34.34 | kingsley | I'm going to have to go soon. |
| 22:34.39 | sneppef | I was just wondering if someone could point me to some directions... "man -k key" return *a lot*. If someone could point me in the right direction. Actually I just tried it on my other computer - also a Debian testing. And the problem is there too. This must be due to a recent apt-get upgrade since I'm positive it was ok a week ago. The computer I'm on now is a fresh install from this week. Any easy way to find out what packages were |
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| 22:35.17 | karrot-x | kingsley: That didn't seem to do it, Is there something else you could think? |
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| 22:35.42 | kingsley | karrot-x: Did you restart X after reconfiguring it? |
| 22:35.52 | karrot-x | kingsley: Yup. |
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| 22:36.20 | kingsley | karrot-x: Can you elaborate on what it's doing wrong? |
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| 22:36.34 | karrot-x | 'Unkown protocol "PS2"' is it PS/2? |
| 22:36.52 | kingsley | karrot-x: When do you see this error message? |
| 22:36.54 | karrot-x | kingsley: X usually loads fine, but when I go to use my mouse it's stuck. |
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| 22:37.09 | amphi | karrot-x: you running gpm? |
| 22:37.10 | andycb | streuner: i get.. VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-block(3,2) |
| 22:37.10 | andycb | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 22:37.16 | karrot-x | amphi: No. |
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| 22:37.24 | andycb | streuner: but the root= in lilo.conf seems fine |
| 22:37.29 | karrot-x | kingsley: After starting X. |
| 22:37.45 | kingsley | karrot-x: Is the error message in X's log file? |
| 22:37.56 | ribnitz | andycb: I laos often get this, reason I stopped building my own kernels |
| 22:38.04 | karrot-x | I just changed the line "Option "Protocol" "auto"" to "Option "Protocol" "PS2"". |
| 22:38.14 | karrot-x | Ya. |
| 22:38.22 | kingsley | karrot-x: Have you searched google for that error string? |
| 22:38.25 | ribnitz | hey ppl, what packahes do I need to get a full XFce4 environment (sarge)? |
| 22:38.48 | karrot-x | kingsley: Not yet. |
| 22:38.55 | kingsley | ribnitz: "dpkg -l xfce4" maybe? |
| 22:39.05 | kingsley | ribnitz: Rather "dpkg -s xfce4" maybe? |
| 22:39.08 | Mave | ribnitz: you need unstable packages for xfce4 iirc |
| 22:39.36 | kingsley | karrot-x: I should think you can cut and paste the error string into google's phrase field. |
| 22:39.43 | Mave | kingsley: apt-cache search xfce4 |
| 22:39.49 | andycb | ribnitz: any way to fix it?.. and whats the alternative to building your own kernel, that doesnt mean waiting for the next distro release |
| 22:39.56 | kingsley | karrot-x: Or just delimit it with double quotes. |
| 22:40.06 | kingsley | Mave: Very good. |
| 22:40.13 | ribnitz | andycb: kernel-image-foo.. |
| 22:40.20 | sneppef | kingsley: well crap - I can't type a hash symbol either apparently :-) |
| 22:40.27 | ribnitz | Mave: so no Xfce4 on a sarge? |
| 22:40.31 | kingsley | sneppef: It would be interesting to try a different login shell in /etc/passwd or check which programs your shell, which may be bash, is using. Or I suppose you may have a buggy bash, so #bash is a resource too. |
| 22:40.31 | andycb | ribnitx: apt-get? |
| 22:40.37 | mool | My /proc/partitions has devices in devfs format and I'm trying to update lilo. Is there a clean way to move to standard /dev/hda entries? |
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| 22:41.11 | peppo | apt find xf86int10.h |
| 22:41.12 | karrot-x | kingsley: What's the debian program to configure X? |
| 22:41.21 | ribnitz | andycb: apt-cache search kernel-image shows various |
| 22:41.29 | Mave | ribnitz: there's not any package called xfce4 in sarge. you can test it if you have sarge instaleld yusing apt-cache |
| 22:41.32 | ribnitz | karrot-x: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:41.47 | ribnitz | Mave: I do have a sarge |
| 22:41.48 | karrot-x | ribnitz: Thank you. |
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| 22:42.01 | kingsley | sneppef: I suspect a bug in your login shell, which may be "bash", or in one of the programs is automatically runs during login. |
| 22:42.07 | Mave | ribnitz: but sid has a package called xfce4 |
| 22:42.23 | ribnitz | Mave: sarge has too, but no version for it. |
| 22:42.29 | kingsley | It's time for me to go. |
| 22:42.32 | kingsley | Cheers. |
| 22:42.46 | andycb | ribnitz: i need to include the raden driver, can i add that in afterwards |
| 22:42.46 | sneppef | kingsley: well, ksh and tcsh don't "work" either :-/ |
| 22:42.57 | ribnitz | andycb: I guess its a module? |
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| 22:43.07 | andycb | ribnitz: yep |
| 22:43.19 | ribnitz | andycb: then yes. |
| 22:43.31 | ribnitz | andycb: or use kernel-package to roll your own. |
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| 22:43.52 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 22:44.10 | sussudio | apt, modconf: stfu |
| 22:44.13 | | sussudio: i haven't a clue |
| 22:44.13 | macmouse | How's support for SI 3112 SATALink RAID controller? |
| 22:44.16 | caphuso | i thought it would make a nice pet, but it's probably not easy to carry several hundred bananas around to keep it non-hungry |
| 22:44.24 | caphuso | EWRONGWIN |
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| 22:44.38 | andycb | ribnitz: thanks |
| 22:44.44 | brad | hey again |
| 22:44.57 | brad | how can I check the version of XFree I'm running? |
| 22:45.08 | streuner | brad: X -version |
| 22:45.13 | brad | thanks |
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| 22:47.21 | sussudio | kreg: is there any reason why there have to be two of you here? |
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| 22:47.53 | Emiml | hi |
| 22:47.59 | ribnitz | hello |
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| 22:49.01 | ribnitz | Is there a firewall in debian thats easy to set up, ie. not the backend iptables/netfilter stuff? |
| 22:49.27 | caphuso | ifdown -a ;-) |
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| 22:49.43 | knoppix | .bfr |
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| 22:49.47 | streuner | hehe, ribnitz - some swear about shorewall |
| 22:49.48 | ribnitz | caphuso: true, :) |
| 22:49.50 | KarlosII | I'm trying to compile xchat 2.07 and I get this err on make "*** Warning: Linking the shared library perl.la against the *** static library /usr/lib/perl/5.8.2/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a is not portable!" How do i fix it? |
| 22:49.54 | peppo | does anyone know if there is a way to search the cvsweb on xfree86.org? |
| 22:49.55 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: there are things like fwbuilder et al. |
| 22:50.01 | peppo | or search XFree86 CVS in another way? |
| 22:50.02 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: apt-cache search firewall |
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| 22:50.25 | dondelelcaro | peppo: besides using google? get the cvs tree and use grep. |
| 22:50.38 | streuner | peppo: why do you thing you need 4.3.99? |
| 22:50.43 | plus | i can't believe i've forgotten what to do about this: "cardctl insert" returns "open_sock(): No such device" |
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| 22:51.07 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 22:51.14 | peppo | streuner, stop it! |
| 22:51.27 | peppo | streuner, 4.2.1.1, works, but I get 2d corruption |
| 22:51.30 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: you can't recommend any of them can you? |
| 22:51.41 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: I use a script that runs iptables. |
| 22:51.43 | parthenogeny | Hey, can somone explain a little about update-menus and /usr/lib/menus to me? How come when I add a file it doesn't show up in the menus, that is, for ?package(x): does x have to be an installed package? |
| 22:51.44 | streuner | peppo: 4.3 is avaiable, so... |
| 22:51.47 | peppo | streuner, Mark Vojkovich recommended me to try the development version of the nv driver. |
| 22:51.52 | Zero_Kelvin | Okay, the next time someone comes with with firewall problems, might I suggest that you guys point them in the direction of Shorewall Firewall. It was 200% simpler (at LEAST) to setup than ipmasq and all my shit works great now. :) |
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| 22:52.00 | peppo | which has a totally rewritten nvidia driver |
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| 22:52.05 | Mondragon | are debian iso images supposed to be burned joliet, or what? |
| 22:52.15 | peppo | dondelelcaro, I was looking to avoid getting the whole XFree86 CVS tree. |
| 22:52.30 | plus | i can't believe i've forgotten what to do about this: "cardctl insert" returns "open_sock(): No such device" |
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| 22:52.45 | kreg | sussudio, as far as i know there is not |
| 22:52.48 | dondelelcaro | peppo: then search google. viewcvs doesn't have support for searching the contents of an archive. |
| 22:53.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell r00t__ about r00t |
| 22:53.12 | Misirlou | peppo: Get 4.3.0-0pre1v5 from experimental. |
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| 22:53.47 | keir | is there a script somewhere to figure out which debian mirror has the fastest connection to you? For some reason, all the canadian mirrors just suck lately |
| 22:54.00 | Misirlou | keir: apt-spy |
| 22:54.00 | LoRez | apt-spy |
| 22:54.05 | streuner | nah, he thinks he get his nvidia stuff only with 4.3.99 to work, so forget it ;-) |
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| 22:54.14 | keir | Misirlou, LoRez, thanks! |
| 22:54.15 | Misirlou | heh |
| 22:54.16 | peppo | streuner, er? |
| 22:54.19 | Zero_Kelvin | keir: I tend to use edu's. Generally pretty good here in .au |
| 22:54.22 | peppo | Misirlou, I don't know how to get specific packages from experimental |
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| 22:54.31 | Zero_Kelvin | keir: Although when they move shit, it a pain. |
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| 22:54.37 | Motoko | 'ello |
| 22:54.40 | keir | Zero_Kelvin, I used to use ftp.utoronto.ca, but it vanished |
| 22:54.42 | peppo | streuner, on the recommendation of the nv developer, I was told to grab the latest development version. I am doing so |
| 22:54.44 | karrot-x | ribnitz: When I ran dpkg at the end I got "Note: not updating /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; file has been customized.' is there a way to get around this? |
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| 22:55.06 | Zero_Kelvin | keir: Bugger. |
| 22:55.23 | streuner | peppo: i would prefer to ask in #nvidia |
| 22:55.26 | ctp | can anybody give me the output of 'apt-file search xmltex'. dont have here a debian box, but need the package name containing xmltex. |
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| 22:55.44 | peppo | streuner, #nvidia is geared towards the proprietary driver. no one there cares about the free one. |
| 22:55.49 | peppo | thanks Misirlou |
| 22:56.04 | Misirlou | I care about the free one; it's the proprietary one I don't care about. |
| 22:56.04 | Emiml | How can I make colorized output for manpages? |
| 22:56.04 | deadcat | peppo: cus they dont know how to use the free one. |
| 22:56.31 | deadcat | Emiml: you mean besides black/white/bold? |
| 22:56.39 | Emiml | deadcat: yes |
| 22:56.49 | deadcat | Misirlou: i mean folks in #nvdia |
| 22:56.58 | plus | does someone know what "kernel: intel ISA PCIC probe: not found" means? |
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| 22:57.48 | streuner | peppo: ic |
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| 22:58.02 | Motoko | I have a question concerning grub |
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| 22:58.14 | Justin_ | plus: that you need to use pcmcia-cs |
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| 22:58.33 | Motoko | I made a generic menu for it and save the menu file n the /boot directory |
| 22:58.34 | Justin_ | plus: or you told it you had a pcmcia controller that is not the one that you actually have |
| 22:58.47 | Motoko | Do I need to run something from the grub command line to install it |
| 22:58.48 | Motoko | ??? |
| 22:58.51 | Aragorn | how can i change this : "checking for thr_suspend... no" ? i'm using a 2.2.20 kernel, is switching to 2.4 a solution? |
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| 22:59.04 | plus | justin_ i'm fairly certain i have pcmcia-cs |
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| 22:59.34 | gboutwel | I found awhile ago an document which describes the steps to upgrade woody to sarge/sid. I can't seem to find that doc anymore, any know of such a beast? |
| 22:59.35 | Justin_ | plus: no, kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 or such |
| 22:59.50 | nk_root66 | hi there. is there any easy way/script to find out if my apache-cgi-config is working alright? trying to install qmailadmin but doesn't work... |
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| 22:59.54 | as13 | Motoko you need a /boot/grub dir with grub files int |
| 22:59.54 | win | what is the option for cat or grep to display line numbers |
| 22:59.54 | nk_root66 | so i wanna check the basics |
| 23:00.02 | plus | justin_ "had a pcmcia controller that you don't have" meaning module in my kernel for wrong device? |
| 23:00.08 | plus | justin_ i'm using 2.6.1 |
| 23:00.09 | Motoko | I have /boot/grub/ too |
| 23:00.16 | Justin_ | plus: oh |
| 23:00.20 | Emiml | deadcat: it is possible? with groff and man? |
| 23:00.25 | Justin_ | plus: then yeah wrong one |
| 23:00.27 | Justin_ | plus: yenta-socket |
| 23:00.31 | as13 | Motoko stage2 . stage1.5 , and menu.lst must be there too |
| 23:00.34 | plus | ah, thank you =) |
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| 23:00.49 | deadcat | Emiml: no.. |
| 23:00.57 | plus | omg it worked. |
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| 23:01.01 | plus | you = da' man! |
| 23:01.18 | Bodymilk | hmmm, i've just upgraded from stable to sid, and now i can't login anymore, i just get 'login incorrect' before even typing my passwd, seems like a problem with PAM? |
| 23:01.25 | as13 | Motoko and then you run the command setup (hd0) if you want to make first hard bootable |
| 23:01.39 | Motoko | k |
| 23:01.44 | peppo | Misirlou, I am not getting the pin stuff to work. "W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin" |
| 23:01.53 | peppo | and apt-get install x-window-system grabs the unstable packages |
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| 23:02.23 | spaztik | How do you disable daytime, discard and those services? |
| 23:02.35 | LoRez | spaztik: edit /etc/inetd.conf |
| 23:02.46 | as13 | Motoko before setup you must run root (hd0,<partition>) where partiotion is your linux root, starting from 0 |
| 23:02.53 | gboutwel | Where's the doc on debian that covers how to dist-upgrade to sarge/sid? |
| 23:02.53 | Misirlou | peppo: You may want to read <http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/>. |
| 23:02.54 | spaztik | lorez: I have |
| 23:03.03 | spaztik | then did a /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 23:03.08 | Misirlou | gboutwel: It's at <http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/>. |
| 23:03.10 | LoRez | then you're done |
| 23:03.12 | spaztik | and the daytime ports and shit are still open |
| 23:03.19 | as13 | Motoko if your linux is on /dev/hda1 then root (hd0,0) |
| 23:03.19 | Bodymilk | ah, i've also got the error from PAM: Jan 10 22:56:55 (none) PAM-securetty[158]: access denied: tty 'ttys/0' is not secure ! |
| 23:03.31 | Motoko | as13: I"ve already setup GRUB so I get the grub command line when I boot |
| 23:03.35 | Bodymilk | any idea on how to fix this? i'm not an expert on PAM |
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| 23:03.38 | peppo | Misirlou, I followed dpkg's instructions to the point though. I've had release pinning/etc working before. |
| 23:03.40 | LoRez | spaztik: sudo netstat -lnp |
| 23:03.49 | Motoko | I'm just trying to add the menu now |
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| 23:04.14 | as13 | Motoko then only put menu.lst into grub dir, do not confuse people |
| 23:04.26 | Misirlou | peppo: I don't know. I don't use any experimental packages, so I'm afraid I can't help you any further. |
| 23:04.48 | thomas_adam | ~tell Misirlou about experimental |
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| 23:04.57 | Frogmorton | Hi all, the New Zealand debian mirror is dead, is there a reason for this ? |
| 23:05.01 | Misirlou | thomas_adam: I know about experimental. |
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| 23:05.05 | peppo | ~tell peppo about experimental |
| 23:05.11 | thomas_adam | Misirlou: heh, you do now, anyhow! Sorry. |
| 23:05.14 | spaztik | errr, and? |
| 23:05.28 | Justin_ | Bodymilk: you are logging in on a serial port? |
| 23:05.33 | j21blackjack | anyone know where i can get help with the debian for xbox? |
| 23:05.42 | peppo | that little note doesn't tell how to actually get the package |
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| 23:05.45 | peppo | neither does the doc |
| 23:05.51 | Bodymilk | Justin_: it's uml, but i think i've got the problem, the ttys/0 was not listed in /etc/securetty |
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| 23:06.28 | gboutwel | ~tell gboutwel about experimental |
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| 23:06.51 | Frogmorton | Does the gnome file manager (nautilus) have a hidden configuration feature ? |
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| 23:07.30 | LoRez | spaztik: that command will show you what's listening where |
| 23:07.31 | Matalo | ok I have problem i am making program and when I use strace my program hangs at line: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(21), sin_addr=inet_addr("147.232.152.1")}, 16 |
| 23:07.37 | Matalo | what is wrong |
| 23:07.42 | spaztik | ok |
| 23:07.43 | CentrX | For support for a SATA hard drive in the kernel, I only need to verify that support for the chipset is selected right? |
| 23:07.54 | gboutwel | ~tell gboutwel about unstable |
| 23:08.02 | LoRez | Matalo: #c |
| 23:08.05 | plus | ~tell me about cardmgr |
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| 23:08.10 | Matalo | no just c |
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| 23:08.24 | spaztik | thats wierd |
| 23:08.25 | METRON9 | good evening folks. I am investigating putting up an ircd on my debian box, are there any packages recommended or is this altogether a bad idea. |
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| 23:08.36 | spaztik | but rebooting the machine did. |
| 23:08.37 | Matalo | should i make there some timeout or what |
| 23:08.38 | peppo | with experimental, it doesn't even do dependencies correctly |
| 23:08.39 | peppo | bah |
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| 23:08.48 | thomas_adam | METRON9: apt-cache search irc |
| 23:08.53 | bohrbug | I am upgrading the MoBo on my debain server, and wonder if anyone has recommendations for a "debain-safe" one? |
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| 23:09.03 | RainbowW | I need to load a module and mount some drives, but only -after- root (potentially after all of fstab?) has mounted. Where is the best place to insert these commands? The module must -not- load before / mounts. |
| 23:09.05 | METRON9 | i did that and nothing came up hmmmm |
| 23:09.09 | as13 | Matalo go to channel c , stupid one |
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| 23:09.26 | plus | when did apt get so cynical? |
| 23:09.32 | thomas_adam | RainbowW: put it in /etc/profile ? |
| 23:09.44 | Matalo | well and where is chanel c here |
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| 23:09.54 | METRON9 | nevermind i used ircd not irc |
| 23:09.54 | CentrX | bohrbug: any standard one should work |
| 23:10.07 | Matalo | oki |
| 23:10.10 | RainbowW | thomas_adam: doesn't that require that root log in to execute it properly? non-root can't modprobe and mount. |
| 23:10.16 | as13 | Matalo surprisingly #c |
| 23:10.27 | CentrX | METRON9: apt-cache search ircd should come up with many irc servers |
| 23:10.30 | bohrbug | CentrX: Afraid someone would say that :) |
| 23:10.35 | thomas_adam | RainbowW: indeed, so install and use sudo |
| 23:10.39 | Matalo | ok ok |
| 23:10.42 | METRON9 | i dont mean the client i want to host a server i have xchat already |
| 23:10.49 | CentrX | bohrbug: Just pick a good motherboard from a good manufacturer, and it will be supported |
| 23:10.52 | thomas_adam | RainbowW: you might get away with putting it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh even |
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| 23:11.04 | ptilopteri | I have been trying to set up a chroot /sid-root on my Debian server. I also did an 'apt-get upgrade'. I don't know how it happened but I suddenly have lots of empt root level dirs that I don't recognize. Here's my ls /, any ideas where the *weird* ones came from?: cdrom/ file:/ libslang.so.1-UTF8:/ opt/ sid-root/ while/ XF86Config.new dev/ floppy/ loading/ or/ such/ whiptail:/ |
| 23:11.07 | CentrX | bohrbug: you can check to see if some of its goodies are supported properly, like SATA and Firewire, though |
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| 23:11.12 | maher | METRON9: why not use this irc server - why do you need you rown one? |
| 23:11.19 | CentrX | bohrbug: But other than that, any motherboard for any supported CPU should work properly |
| 23:11.31 | rdancer | bye |
| 23:11.33 | bohrbug | CentrX: ok, thanks :) |
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| 23:11.41 | dondelelcaro | ptilopteri: wipe out that chroot, and recreate it using debootstrap |
| 23:11.51 | METRON9 | i dont really know, o really just want to tinker under the hood so to speak |
| 23:11.56 | CentrX | bohrbug: So, just pick a motherboard with good reviews, benchmarks, etc. |
| 23:12.08 | pulp | hi all, how can i upgrade my debian unstable from xfree 4.2.1 to 4.3.0 ? |
| 23:12.12 | METRON9 | if it can be done i want to know how i guess |
| 23:12.30 | CentrX | METRON9: You can pick from several in that apt-cache search list |
| 23:12.34 | ptilopteri | dondelelcaro: Thanks. So, do I just rmdir the weird dirs? |
| 23:12.43 | pulp | hi all, how can i upgrade my debian unstable from xfree 4.2.1 to 4.3.0 ? |
| 23:12.57 | dondelelcaro | ptilopteri: uh, sure. |
| 23:13.10 | dondelelcaro | pulp: stop repeating. 4.3.0 is on apt-get.org, backports.org or in experimental. |
| 23:13.15 | METRON9 | yes someone helped me with choosing profptd instead of wu-fptd so i was wondering what package someone would suggest |
| 23:13.29 | thomas_adam | METRON9: that was I who did that! |
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| 23:13.42 | METRON9 | you are the master |
| 23:13.47 | pulp | dondelelcaro, can u be more precise? whats the first step ? |
| 23:13.54 | METRON9 | and by the way its up and running and works great |
| 23:13.57 | dondelelcaro | !+u |
| 23:13.58 | CentrX | METRON9: from looking at the list, dancer is one that's been around for a while, the Hybrid ones are similar to the server used on this network |
| 23:13.59 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 23:13.59 | keir | is there a way to make apt fetch from multiple servers in parallel when you're fetching mutiple packages? |
| 23:14.00 | thomas_adam | METRON9: good |
| 23:14.07 | pulp | dondelelcaro, experimental is in my apt-source but i need just the command to allow upgrade |
| 23:14.08 | dondelelcaro | keir: it does. |
| 23:14.09 | CentrX | keir: it does that already |
| 23:14.14 | thomas_adam | METRON9: any chance you could lowercase your nick? |
| 23:14.22 | Frogmorton | pulp: if that wasn't enough information for you, I suspect you shouldn't try |
| 23:14.25 | METRON9 | soon as i understood it used the login names on the server and passwords |
| 23:14.32 | dondelelcaro | pulp: you have to specify experimental with the -t flag. man apt-get. |
| 23:14.32 | keir | dondelelcaro, CentrX, oh! cool. |
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| 23:14.37 | METRON9 | i will try |
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| 23:14.50 | pulp | dondelelcaro, what do i upgrade in packages ? |
| 23:15.04 | CentrX | pulp: you upgrade the xfree86 packages from the experimental branch |
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| 23:15.21 | pulp | apt-get upgrade *name* -t experimental ? |
| 23:15.21 | thomas_adam | pulp: as you're so unsure, I recommend you do not attempt to use experimental packages, |
| 23:15.23 | metron9 | test |
| 23:15.37 | thomas_adam | metron9: thank you. |
| 23:15.43 | mentor | metron9: No, you're not online any more. |
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| 23:15.50 | pulp | thomas_adam, i heard 4.3.0 is latest stable .. |
| 23:15.51 | frealek | hi people |
| 23:15.52 | CentrX | Is anyone familiar with SATA support? |
| 23:16.02 | thomas_adam | ~sata |
| 23:16.08 | | hmm... sata is You'll need Jeff Garzik's libata patch for Serial ATA support, about which see http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . If you need that in your installer, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ on how to craft your own netinst with a homemade custom kernel. If that seems like a lot of trouble, it's price you pay for using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or <Reply> more evil |
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| 23:16.08 | CentrX | pulp: Use the packaged ones from Debian if you don't have a peculiar need for 4.3 |
| 23:16.09 | mentor | CentrX: yes. |
| 23:16.09 | mentor | ~anyone |
| 23:16.14 | | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 23:16.14 | metron9 | yes my aim is to have a chat server i controll, i am a daytrader trading futures and i have a list of folks that want to chat during trading hours |
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| 23:16.31 | pulp | CentrX, i'd like to use color cursors |
| 23:16.31 | dondelelcaro | pulp: no, you have to use install. and if you don't know what you're doing enough to do that, don't use experimental. |
| 23:16.42 | thomas_adam | pulp: told you! |
| 23:16.46 | CentrX | mentor: Is it correct that, if the SATA controller is listed as supported in the kernel, I don't need any other support (such as for specific hard drives)? |
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| 23:16.49 | pulp | thomas_adam, what? |
| 23:16.51 | maher | metron9: daytraders still exist? |
| 23:16.54 | thomas_adam | pulp: as you're so unsure, I recommend you do not attempt to use experimental packages, |
| 23:16.57 | dung | whats the tool to change font default of gnome2 |
| 23:16.58 | metron9 | u betcha |
| 23:16.59 | mentor | ~tell CentrX about anyone |
| 23:17.05 | pulp | thomas_adam, i just want xfree, thats all |
| 23:17.08 | metron9 | i trade dow futures |
| 23:17.12 | CentrX | ;) |
| 23:17.18 | maher | metron9: you actaully earn a living doing that? |
| 23:17.19 | mentor | CentrX: Well, that's the idea of a common interface specification. |
| 23:17.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell pulp about set up x |
| 23:17.28 | CentrX | pulp: What branch of Debian are you using at the moment? |
| 23:17.39 | metron9 | no i am glad i have a salary remember i own my own shop |
| 23:17.41 | pulp | CentrX, unstable |
| 23:17.45 | CentrX | mentor: Yes, and I only hope it is the practice of the common interface specification? |
| 23:17.48 | Frogmorton | maher: can i trade 3 days in Auckland for 1 day in any civilised country ? |
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| 23:18.04 | pulp | CentrX, upgraded from woody, with gnome 2.4.0 |
| 23:18.05 | CentrX | pulp: I recommend that if you have no more dire wish than for colored cursors, you wait until XFree86 is moved into unstable |
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| 23:18.18 | pulp | CentrX, any timescales? |
| 23:18.20 | mentor | CentrX: So would I. |
| 23:18.21 | maher | Frogmorton: no |
| 23:18.24 | pulp | CentrX, i am waiting for 4 months now .. |
| 23:18.27 | dondelelcaro | pulp: wir. |
| 23:18.36 | maher | metron9: what do you do? |
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| 23:18.58 | dondelelcaro | pulp: if you're waiting, join the X Task Force and help by fixing bugs in XFree86 that keep it from entering unstable. |
| 23:18.59 | metron9 | so any suggestions as to what package i should try setting up? |
| 23:19.05 | CentrX | pulp: I don't know, you can check http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml for information |
| 23:19.16 | dondelelcaro | s/Task/Strike/ |
| 23:19.24 | Frogmorton | Debian... a global experiment in measuring the impatience levels of computer users... |
| 23:19.50 | pulp | dondelelcaro, i enjoy seeing myself rather a user than developer |
| 23:19.58 | bytewalker | i put Pin: release a=experimental in my preferences, but when i ag upgrade i get 'w: No priority (or zero) specified for pin.' |
| 23:20.01 | dondelelcaro | Frogmorton: *shrug* if you're not helping, you get it when its ready. |
| 23:20.03 | metron9 | maher I make stickers a silkscreen shop |
| 23:20.11 | RainbowW | how does one close xchat's file send/receive/chat windows? |
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| 23:20.28 | CentrX | RainbowW: There should be an X in the upper right or left hand corner |
| 23:20.32 | maher | metron9: i'm confused - what does that have to do with daytrading? |
| 23:20.33 | W8TVI | Windows XP... a global experiment in measuring the stupidity levels of computer users... |
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| 23:20.39 | dung | whats the tool to change font default of gnome2 |
| 23:20.47 | RainbowW | CentrX: If it were that simple I wouldn't be asking. |
| 23:20.58 | pulp | dondelelcaro, i dont have /etc/apt/preferences .. if i just create a new one is ok ? |
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| 23:21.00 | jetscreamer | you mean like that font thingy in the settings? |
| 23:21.00 | LoRez | RainbowW: it is that simple |
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| 23:21.02 | CentrX | RainbowW: Sorry, for some people it is that simple... :( |
| 23:21.02 | ace | hello |
| 23:21.06 | mentor | Frogmorton: #debian, a global experiment in measuring the patience level of volunteers. |
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| 23:21.13 | metron9 | 0oh you mean trading , i trade the YM Futures contract intraday |
| 23:21.26 | ace | anybody knows the difference between REAL and USER in the "time" commands? |
| 23:21.32 | RainbowW | LoRez: That presupposes that said X is actually on said corner(s) of said windows. In this case, however ... |
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| 23:21.39 | mentor | Frogmorton: I should imagine you should try emailing either the ftp admins or the admin of the actual server involved. |
| 23:21.44 | maher | metron9: so you have a job - and trade in your spare time? |
| 23:21.56 | dondelelcaro | ace: time sleep 0.5s; should enlighten you. |
| 23:22.04 | Frogmorton | mentor: I dont mind the work-rate of volunteers, its just funny watching the people desperate to upgrade to the latest bug-test releases |
| 23:22.15 | ace | real 4m49.768s |
| 23:22.15 | ace | user 8m38.770s |
| 23:22.15 | ace | sys 0m34.190s |
| 23:22.20 | ace | what is the diff? |
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| 23:22.22 | metron9 | well i own a business and i trade full time |
| 23:22.37 | dondelelcaro | ace: first off, don't paste in #debian. |
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| 23:22.43 | mentor | Frogmorton: oic. heh. |
| 23:22.49 | maher | metron9: do you make money trading? |
| 23:22.50 | bytewalker | i did everything apt told me for experimental, but im getting "W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin" ANY IDEAS?" |
| 23:22.53 | dondelelcaro | ace: second, man time; and/or run the example that I gave you, and become enlightened. |
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| 23:23.08 | ace | dondelelcaro: it s not a paste, i just retype it, i don't know how to make a paste |
| 23:23.08 | mool | My /proc/partitions has devices in devfs format and I'm trying to update lilo. Is there a clean way to move to standard /dev/hda entries? Can I just edit it directly? |
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| 23:23.27 | metron9 | yes i do, and I am making more as I learn the ropes. (about 6 years now learning how its done) |
| 23:23.31 | ace | dondelelcaro: the man doesn't say anything about that |
| 23:23.34 | thomas_adam | mool: eh? |
| 23:23.49 | thomas_adam | mool: why remove them? |
| 23:24.14 | jetscreamer | apt preferences |
| 23:24.16 | | i haven't a clue, jetscreamer |
| 23:24.20 | mool | thomas_adam: I want them to be /dev/hda etc instead of /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 23:24.21 | dondelelcaro | ace: help time; time is a shell tool. regardless, run the example that I gave you initially, and you will be enlightened. |
| 23:24.21 | ace | byebye |
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| 23:24.25 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.29 | metron9 | anyway still need a suggestion on setting up a ircd server if its not too much of a problem (setting it up I mean) i was up till 3 klast night again installing profptd |
| 23:24.30 | thomas_adam | mool: dont use devfs then |
| 23:24.32 | plus | bye all |
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| 23:24.56 | jetscreamer | you have to have devfs support for unix98 ptys? |
| 23:25.05 | mool | thomas_adam: I'm not intending too, Is it just in the kernel config somewhere as a default? |
| 23:25.10 | metron9 | i mean proftpd i am a bit tired |
| 23:25.14 | Frogmorton | just checking out nautilus in list-view mode, files have long date format, any idea if I can change that ? |
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| 23:27.09 | pole | wtf, after upgrading balsa in sid, my old configuration is gone!!! |
| 23:27.18 | pole | anyone know what is going on? |
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| 23:27.42 | metron9 | i only see 2 to pick from that say server and they are lyslkom-server and xpilot-server |
| 23:27.43 | frealek | pole: perhaps you --purge_d something at the same time ? |
| 23:28.01 | pole | frealek: no, i didnt.. just a dist-upgrade |
| 23:28.13 | maher | metron9: what about dancer |
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| 23:29.13 | metron9 | did a apt search and no find dancer ill look on google |
| 23:29.41 | arauko | anyone knows how to extract from an archive using ar the files into other directory? |
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| 23:31.41 | magix | how reconfigure package locales dpkg ? |
| 23:31.48 | arauko | anyone knows how to extract from an archive using ar the files into other directory? |
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| 23:32.39 | ljlane | magix: maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:32.57 | magix | ljlane: tnx |
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| 23:33.37 | Frogmorton | arauko: maybe cd into the destination and specify the path to the archive file ? |
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| 23:33.59 | andycb | can i use apt-get to change from woody to sid? |
| 23:34.05 | Johnny132 | I have Mac OS X. I am trying to mount a direct in it from a linux server. However, I can't because I keep getting the error "operation not permitted", meaning that I don't have the permisssions to mount it. I changed the file permissions, and it still doesn't work. Can any brave souls give me any ideas as how to fix this? |
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| 23:34.35 | The_Vulture | andycb: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be trying |
| 23:34.59 | vile_maxim | is anyone else having a problem wiht 2.6.0 (backport.org's version) and dhcp? |
| 23:35.06 | Frogmorton | andycb: you probably need to read a lot of instructs first, looking for a url... |
| 23:35.08 | vile_maxim | on a stable box |
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| 23:35.16 | Zerqent | vile_maxim: probably to old dhcp-client |
| 23:35.28 | vile_maxim | Zerqent: yeah... I didn't upgrade it |
| 23:35.33 | Justin_ | Johnny132: is it "guess how Johnny132 is trying to mount it" time? |
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| 23:35.42 | vile_maxim | Zerqent: I a more resent one? |
| 23:35.44 | dondelelcaro | Johnny132: uh, you're root right? and you're mounting an HFS+ volume? |
| 23:35.51 | andycb | The_Vulture: sorry.. getting a little lazy though, im trying to get X to work on a laptop, and not having much luck |
| 23:35.57 | Zerqent | vile_maxim: HAd the same problem, either change the script og goto www.isc.org and download a newer one :) |
| 23:36.07 | Johnny132 | dondelelcaro: I am root. What do you mean by HFS? |
| 23:36.16 | dondelelcaro | !HFS |
| 23:36.17 | dpkg | hfs is probably the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS. HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.6 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages. It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT |
| 23:36.24 | Frogmorton | andycb: I think the debian-reference covers it quite well |
| 23:36.34 | mool | How would I remove DEVFS support and revert to a /dev/hda structure? |
| 23:36.41 | vile_maxim | Zerqent: I'm not sure how to change the script... you mean the dhcp.conf? |
| 23:36.44 | amphi | andycb: what laptop? |
| 23:36.49 | Johnny132 | !HFS |
| 23:36.50 | dpkg | methinks hfs is the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS. HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.6 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages. It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT |
| 23:36.52 | andycb | Frogmorton: thanks. |
| 23:37.17 | maher | andycb: don't use sid - if you need a newer version of x use a backport |
| 23:37.18 | andycb | amphi: sony pcg-gr214ep, there are some docs on tuxmobile but none that really go into any detail about x |
| 23:37.24 | Zerqent | vile_maxim: na, there is a script that control the dhcp-client, I didn't understand the source, so I rather downloaded tthe newer dhcp soure from isc.org I sugggest u do that |
| 23:37.39 | amphi | andycb: anything on linux-laptop.net ? |
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| 23:37.57 | bytewalker | whats the bestest toolbar thingy for karamba? |
| 23:37.59 | simonrvn | !hfs =~ s/MacOS 8.6/MacOS 8.1/ |
| 23:38.00 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 23:38.05 | andycb | amphi: didnt know about that.. ill take a look |
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| 23:38.35 | Zerqent | I want to install debian on a machine which only contain a s-ata HD, anyone knows how I can accomplish this.. If I am right, sata support isn't included before 2.6... (VIA CHIPSET) |
| 23:39.00 | Johnny132 | dondelelcaro: brb. I'll check if the 2 packages work. |
| 23:39.02 | Johnny132 | :) |
| 23:39.27 | vile_maxim | Zerqent: ok.. thanks |
| 23:39.27 | CentrX | Zerqent: There is SATA support in 2.4, at least some |
| 23:39.57 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: didn't 8.0 usher it in? |
| 23:40.12 | arauko | Frogmorton, yeah.. but i just wanted to know if thered be another way passing some parameter |
| 23:40.20 | Zerqent | CentrX: none that is enabled in the install-program, so the debian-install won't locate my HD |
| 23:40.27 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: no, 8.1 |
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| 23:40.45 | CentrX | ah |
| 23:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: ah, could be. That particular region of history is a bit blury... |
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| 23:40.49 | Justin_ | I just mounted the os x partition as hfs and looked :-) |
| 23:40.56 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: afaik, it was 8.1. at least i had 8.1, and it had hfs+ support, but not for booting m68k machines, only ppc ones |
| 23:40.56 | reduz | Question, where can I find debian installer ISOs (network preferably) that are up to date, support pppoe in the installer and also if possible xfs? |
| 23:41.10 | dung | whats the tool to change font default of gnome2 |
| 23:41.20 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: 8.0 only works on > 030 boxen iirc. |
| 23:41.21 | streuner | reduz: /msg dpkg di |
| 23:41.38 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: 8.1 works on m68k too |
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| 23:41.52 | simonrvn | but you can't boot from an hfs+ partition |
| 23:41.58 | reduz | streuner: heh thanks! I asked it about "debian iso" before and he hadnt a clue |
| 23:42.00 | CentrX | Zerqent: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200401/msg00221.html |
| 23:42.06 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah, ok... I never bothered with hfs+ |
| 23:42.10 | CentrX | Zerqent: Basically, install on a regular drive and then move to SATA |
| 23:42.19 | andycb | amphi: found an XF86Config-4 file on that site.. works like a charm.. thanks alot!! |
| 23:42.22 | CentrX | Zerqent: Although there is mention of a 2.6 installer |
| 23:42.24 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: saves a big amount of disk space |
| 23:42.39 | CentrX | Zerqent: So, you might try the new Debian Installer |
| 23:42.40 | Frogmorton | dung: do you have a Start Here icon on your desktop ? should give you desktop preferences |
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| 23:42.49 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: in certain situations, but not in others... I usually had a bunch of huge files instead of a ton of little ones... |
| 23:42.50 | Daky | hi overthere |
| 23:43.06 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: plus at that time I was using some machines which couldn't mount hfs+ iirc... |
| 23:43.08 | Daky | im searching for a sgml editor |
| 23:43.20 | Daky | someone know one ? plz |
| 23:43.23 | dondelelcaro | Daky: emacs |
| 23:43.27 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh, would make a diff for big vs. small files, kinds like xfs and reiserfs |
| 23:43.28 | JeffH | I have a domain everyone on the outside world can use to get to my machine.. how can I setup my internal network to use that same domain to get to my web server and mail server? |
| 23:43.34 | simonrvn | kinda* |
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| 23:43.57 | JeffH | right now if I try to browse to www.harriscomputersolutions.com I get an error.. |
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| 23:45.08 | mool | JeffH: you could add the internal address to your hosts file... |
| 23:45.09 | simonrvn | hfs+ does have unicode support though. a plus in my book (ok, enough of OT stuff ;) |
| 23:45.34 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, I still miss having files with : in them though... ;-) |
| 23:45.37 | zu22 | ~seen bob2 |
| 23:45.41 | | bob2 <rob@egads.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16h 31m 18s ago, saying: 'you can't umount /'. |
| 23:45.51 | dobby | hello i have a big problem, i have installed 2.6.1 kernel. But know, when i do startx the screen is flickering and i can't enter X. Befor i installed 2.6.1 X worked! Do i have to do something special when installing 2.6.1 to use X? |
| 23:46.00 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hehe :) |
| 23:46.01 | JeffH | mool: I tried that.. it still resolves as my outside ip |
| 23:46.05 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 23:46.15 | zu22 | i have ppp dialup connection (not always on) with dynamic IP, what can i do in terms of ipmasq/netfilter/iptable firewalling? i never set this up before |
| 23:46.20 | Eggercise | Can anyone tell me why noflushd logs "No stats for /dev/hde. Ignoring." for software RAID Hard drives connected by a PCI IDE card? |
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| 23:47.18 | Mage_ | dobby: reinstall your drivers |
| 23:47.31 | Zerqent | CentrX: thx man |
| 23:47.48 | dobby | Mage_: Do you mean xfree? |
| 23:47.52 | brad | hmm, when I install a kernel image from a deb package, will it give me the option to create a boot disk? |
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| 23:47.55 | NeoGeo64 | Help... what module do I load to get my SMC EZ Card (1211 series) to work? |
| 23:48.03 | Mage_ | dobby: you've a nvidia card ? |
| 23:48.06 | HiRoMa | Can the current version of Debian be installed on a Sun Microsystems Spark64. The Sun V Fire 100 to be precise? |
| 23:48.14 | Mage_ | not xfree |
| 23:48.17 | mool | jeffH: well hosts should be looked at before it resolves to DNS so not sure why it wouldn't work for ya. |
| 23:48.18 | dobby | Mage_: No an ati radeon card |
| 23:48.24 | NeoGeo64 | Does anyone know? |
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| 23:48.27 | Mage_ | mmh |
| 23:48.54 | mool | jeffH: are all these machines behind the same router? |
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| 23:49.05 | jetscreamer | NeoGeo64, http://scyld.com/network/ |
| 23:49.22 | JeffH | yes |
| 23:49.28 | dobby | i wanted to install dri support so i did compile a new radeon module and installed it. |
| 23:50.32 | mool | jeffH: can you access the server by IP? |
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| 23:50.43 | karsten | What's CIDR notation for 80.25.0.0 - 80.25.255.255? 80.25.0.0/16? |
| 23:50.59 | jetscreamer | ipcalc |
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| 23:52.10 | Eggercise | Anyone using noflushd with software RAID? |
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| 23:52.25 | kleber | hi |
| 23:52.50 | kleber | anybody want to talk about openmosix |
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| 23:53.31 | CentrX | kleber: Yes. Tell me everything you know about openmosix |
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| 23:55.43 | kleber | i am trying to install a openmosix cluster, but on kernel compilation a error was reported about elf |
| 23:55.54 | cj_ | What's the package name for a default GNOME desktop in testing? |
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| 23:56.23 | kleber | CentrX i am trying to install a openmosix cluster, but on kernel compilation a error was reported about elf |
| 23:56.29 | CentrX | kleber: What is the error |
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| 23:57.18 | kleber | i dont remember, i will try again, one moment please |
| 23:57.21 | cj_ | Anyone know why: apt-get install gnome-desktop |
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| 23:57.26 | cj_ | doesn't work? |
| 23:57.58 | thoron | Is there know problems with gcc in unstable? It seems to be crashing quite often. |
| 23:58.22 | thoron | Especially when compiling 2.6 kernel |
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| 23:59.37 | windowsrefund | hi |
| 23:59.38 | CentrX | thoron: You should use 2.95.3 when compiling the 2.6 kernel |
